I've sent Mark an e-mail inviting him to join and participate on RUA as a Commercial member.
Yea
The "experts" wanted to teach me about age difference. Should I avoid writing to young girls just because the doctors say so? Why not try your luck with the age group you are attracted to just because they say it won't work?
Yea
The "experts" wanted to teach me about age difference. Should I avoid writing to young girls just because the doctors say so? Why not try your luck with the age group you are attracted to just because they say it won't work?
When I see it works, I think why that guy won such a girl?
There are different opinions about this matter. When I see it works, I think why that guy won such a girl? Some members here have tendency to discourage. If you think I waste your time - don't waste your time on me.
I don't recommend that 50+ year old men pursue a 20 year old girl.
I don't recommend that 30 year old men pursue a 20 year old girl for
marriage.
The latter guys have more time to recover in case of failure, though.
When I see it works, I think why that guy won such a girl?
Anna complained about the "old guys" at the socials and the way that they were showing off their assets. Yet, she married a California man old enough to be her father who owns several businesses, has substantial assets and wasn't afraid to spend them in pursuit of Anna. Don't you see the obvious contradiction in that video?
The important thing to me is that we have the same attitude about money, which in my case I prefer to wait and buy quality, and I always want to have more than enough money in the bank for a rainy day. Some women get that, and others want to spend it all until you are completely broke. More and more it seems to me that the women looking to go abroad (as in leaving Ukraine or Russia) are just looking for a sugar daddy.
What women say and what they do are often two different things :)
What women say and what they do are often two different things :)
What Anna said and what she did were certainly polar opposites.
Yep,
25 year age gap,she was 18 when they met.A big no no for the "experts" on here.
They met at a AFA social.Another big no no for the "experts" on here.
Well,they've been married 5 years now,and seem happy enough together,so I guess miracles can happen. :)
Mark does actually participate on the other main forum.
There are different opinions about this matter. When I see it works, I think why that guy won such a girl? Some members here have tendency to discourage. If you think I waste your time - don't waste your time on me.
Sharon,
It does happen but the man has qualities that I suspect you lack. Sorry to brutal but women want to see a big rock and a monthly stipend.
Be that as it may, I hope that Sharon understands what a powerful inducement that wealth is for many women and how the lack of it is great handicap for guys who seek extremely young girls.
.The important thing to me is that we have the same attitude about money, which in my case I prefer to wait and buy quality, and I always want to have more than enough money in the bank for a rainy day. Some women get that, and others want to spend it all until you are completely broke. More and more it seems to me that the women looking to go abroad (as in leaving Ukraine or Russia) are just looking for a sugar daddy.
Because of their history and experiences, many people in the FSU have a different perspective about money than we do here in the west. Russia has had a change of government and TWO huge devaluations since 1990. They've seen saved money become virtually worthless, so they haven't the experience to understand how saving money is a positive alternative. Money, to them is to be spent for things NOW before they go up in price. It is not uncommon when a close friends gets extra money, for him to share it amongst his "droogs", with the assumption that in the future, if others are in the same circumstance, they will do the same for him.
With your attitude, it won't be uncommon for an FSU woman to perceive you as "cheap". Hopefully this brief explanation will help you understand where they're coming from and how you might start to change their perception of you.
Hey, guys!
I was not looking for a big age difference.
Here's my opinion on the age difference: you shouldn't be looking for a number - your looking for a heart that beats like yours and brings you to life. It's all about chemistry and connection. Age becomes an issue in letter-writing because it's the first statistic everyone looks for. I don't believe in first introductions being remote. I believe in fact-to-face introductions - because you can't download a wife. Every guy I know who is married today met his wife in person for the first time - not online. The magic happens when you show up. How can you really judge whether a person is a fit without being right there with her?
The top things I hear from the ladies is that they want a man who has a good sense of humor, or is fun to be around. Why? Because the Russian and Ukrainian men are so serious in a relationship. You just have to be fascinated with them and their life and be fun to be around. I'm not saying to be a comedian; but it's not hard to compete with a serious Russian or Ukrainian guy.
I really wish guys wouldn't make such a huge deal of this - and the ones who do seem to be the single guys.
Well written Mark & a nice read.
One thing that always plays on my mind is this theory that FSU guys don't settle early & tend to 'sew their oats' until maturing some time in their 30's. Well...we all know there's hardly heaps more women then men out there, and what strikes me is - Who are they doing all the sewing with?
I smell a rat. :-X
Well written Mark & a nice read.
One thing that always plays on my mind is this theory that FSU guys don't settle early & tend to 'sew their oats' until maturing some time in their 30's. Well...we all know there's hardly heaps more women then men out there, and what strikes me is - Who are they doing all the sewing with?
I smell a rat. :-X
No Rosco, Anna is right. Lots of girls view the the difference of 10-15 is normal (doesnt mean they date only within that age difference but if they meet someone they like within that age difference age will not be concern for many). You forgetting we have obligatory army for boys at 18. Those that are at 18 studying for Higher education will be allowed to finish study and will be called in straight away after they complete education. So if guy finished university at 22 by the time he comes out from army he will be 24/25, add few years of having fun and partying and he is closer to end of 20s/early 30s before the idea about settling down crosses his mind. Other thing that having serious relationship with a guy who still have army he will have to attend in future means girl will have to wait for him for 2/3 years and that puts many off
I don't disagree and except from the army bit, it's not all that different to the UK. My question was;
Guys apparently take longer to settle down in the FSU and like to hop around, but if the action is so rife, there must be many girls to hop around with? Not judging anyone but its not exactly a culture of angels that's often portrayed. :-\
I think we should have a full Webinar discussion on the topic.
I think that it's unproductive to defend one's choices. Detractors take it for rationalization and like-minded folk already understand.
Remember the OP used the Mark Davis (MD) relationship as a justification as
to what age girl he would pursue. Where MD said specifically that he did NOT
seek a girl so young nor did she seek one so old, but that things fell into
place.
Remember the OP used the Mark Davis (MD) relationship as a justification as
to what age girl he would pursue. Where MD said specifically that he did NOT
seek a girl so young nor did she seek one so old, but that things fell into
place.
2tallbill, thank you for speaking the obvious and clarifying my stance.
If someone wants to use me, or any other human being, as an excuse for poor judgement they failed a basic IQ test and get what they deserve.
No one should be 'seeking' an age, but a person they connect with - and I personally believe that search should happen when you're face to face and nobody displays their age on their forehead. You have to actually interact with them and see who you spark with.
Is this really such a foreign concept? If you felt you liked someone on Match.com you would think you were dating until you met in person. With International dating the long distance correspondence just mucks things up and creates bad communication and fantasy based expectations. But it's with the letter-writing that guys get hung up on the Number one thing they look for in a profile: AGE. Get over it. Get on a plane. and meet lots of them face to face
Mark, so I understand this. You believe men should not look online, but travel and meet ladies?
Find a fit face to face and then communicate on a deeper level once returning home.
With obvious steps to follow.
I think that it's unproductive to defend one's choices. Detractors take it for rationalization and like-minded folk already understand.
Having said all of that, what I tell my guys is that once you have a date lined up with a lady (set up by a trusted friend), then you already know that you will be looking into her eyes in person very soon. Once you are there in person you can begin the 5-step sequence as I described above. You already have a date with her set. You will be able to judge your chemistry for yourself soon enough. But you will ruin first impressions by trying to force remote communications ahead of your face to face meeting. Why? Because the communication is only with a few of the senses, it is subject to misunderstanding, and then your first date is now spent clarifying what you meant or she meant in your letters instead of being present to experience if your chemistry is right.
Wow, shocker; I have to agree with everything that was said here!
You shouldn't be going to see someone you haven't even Skyped with
^^^^^^^^^^
Ok, now I'm confused. I just found one of your posts Mark. Its exactly opposite of what you are telling us here about not skyping before meeting her. Care to enlighten us? ???
So I am just trying to understand why you feel that communicating on skype before you first meet is not a good idea. Everything I have experienced is opposite of what you said. Can you please explain how you came to these conclusions about pre-trip skyping?
The top things I hear from the ladies is that they want a man who has a good sense of humor, or is fun to be around. Why? Because the Russian and Ukrainian men are so serious in a relationship. You just have to be fascinated with them and their life and be fun to be around. I'm not saying to be a comedian; but it's not hard to compete with a serious Russian or Ukrainian guy.
I posted an introduction message and was warmly greeted. This seems like a great group.
Your plan would work of high income earners with plenty of free time, but lets be realistic, that not most people.
Maybe you only cater to the well off?
Quote from: MarkI posted an introduction message and was warmly greeted. This seems like a great group.Enjoy the warmth, the honeymoon usually doesn't last past the first couple of weeks.
So I am just trying to understand why you feel that communicating on skype before you first meet is not a good idea. Everything I have experienced is opposite of what you said. Can you please explain how you came to these conclusions about pre-trip skyping?
You really made your case clear and I love what you said, that the sorting, writing, and Skyping was part of the fun for you. You're where I was when I went on my first trip to Ukraine. I'd already dated women from Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Colombia, Brazil, Peru, and Venezuela before I went to Ukraine. When I got there I was so self confident my attitude was, "Hey, I got this. Just show me the women." Part of it was naive, but part of it was that I had experience by then.
I don't deal with guys like us often. The client that my wife and I had dinner with tonight is considering going, but is full of fear. Why? He had never event considered going out of the country before he found me on the web. The entire concept was new. Could that guy start writing and Skyping and then just go over there for a few months and be successful? He'd never even try!
My passion is to help a new generation of men give international romance serious consideration - and if they are bold enough to try - I want to offer them their best odds for success.
Many of the guys here could relocate, live, and date in any FSU country without much of a stretch. You are certainly in that camp.
My counsel is mostly going to be directed toward the new seeker. Make sense?
4 kids, 2 ex-wives... what a "catch"!.. (:)
yep.. what was i thinking? Time to log out again
No, really, say it like you mean it. :laugh:
4 kids, 2 ex-wives... what a "catch"!.. (:)
Even better if he still lives with Momma when he’s 40.
Even better if he still lives with Momma when he’s 40.
Not necessary with Momma, living in nice round preserving cookie jar will be sufficient :laugh:
That's my opinion on the whole thing. Those are my best suggestions. Anything can work for the right types of circumstances and people (hey, I did meet my wife at a big box social). It is just my experience that this process gives you the best odds for success.
4 kids, 2 ex-wives... what a "catch"!.. (:)
4 kids, 2 ex-wives... what a "catch"!.. (:)
Would it be any better the other way around?
4 kids, 2 ex-wives... what a "catch"!.. (:)
Would it be any better the other way around?
Instant family she does not have to work for 9 months X 4 and she will get twice the advice.
The important thing to me is that we have the same attitude about money, which in my case I prefer to wait and buy quality, and I always want to have more than enough money in the bank for a rainy day. Some women get that, and others want to spend it all until you are completely broke. More and more it seems to me that the women looking to go abroad (as in leaving Ukraine or Russia) are just looking for a sugar daddy.
Because of their history and experiences, many people in the FSU have a different perspective about money than we do here in the west. Russia has had a change of government and TWO huge devaluations since 1990. They've seen saved money become virtually worthless, so they haven't the experience to understand how saving money is a positive alternative. Money, to them is to be spent for things NOW before they go up in price. It is not uncommon when a close friends gets extra money, for him to share it amongst his "droogs", with the assumption that in the future, if others are in the same circumstance, they will do the same for him.
With your attitude, it won't be uncommon for an FSU woman to perceive you as "cheap". Hopefully this brief explanation will help you understand where they're coming from and how you might start to change their perception of you.
4 kids, 2 ex-wives... what a "catch"!.. (:)
Mark & Anna Davis
EuropeanDreamConnections.com
This guy is using this forum to promote his business venture? why is it even a topic?
Hope you're not having too many problems with those strong willed Ukrainian girls scaring too many of them away! :laugh:
As for the other post, I could understand now why you said what you did, and commend you for trying to help the guy out by offering to contact her for him to see if she was legit. :thumbsup:
The less literate that a man is, the more adventageous that it is for him to meet face-to-face. If a man writes eloquently, he can usually get away with email correspondence for a month or two. Unfortunately, quality writing is not the norm.
I had to laugh at your first comment about the 'strong-willed' Ukrainian girls scaring the guys away - you have no idea how true that is! I try to warn them and put it as nicely as I can. We talk about how they are "authentic" and are comfortable talking about nearly any subject and will give them a straight answer. They're still never ready for it. It's just way too foreign for Western guys. But, give them a few days and suddenly it's the greatest characteristic! You should come some time just to observe. The roller coaster of emotions is better than any movie and twice the fun!
The less literate that a man is, the more adventageous that it is for him to meet face-to-face. If a man writes eloquently, he can usually get away with email correspondence for a month or two. Unfortunately, quality writing is not the norm.
Tom, you are right on the money. This is where a really experienced guy could chart his own course, write letters, Skype, and set up his trip for himself successfully. But even among experienced men, there are few who know how to write to foreign women without coming across too eager, egotistical, or eccentric.
Wealthy men will do well anywhere and Sterlin should stay home.
If people understand their strengths/weaknesses and have a bit of intelligence, they can develop strategies to market themselves favorably. For example, young guys (who might be a bit weird) could do very well on the free sites because the search engine is their friend. Old fossils, who have thick skins and who interact well with others would be in their element on (Russian) women's forums. Attractive men who are personable would be best suited for face-to-face meetings in major FSU cities (but not the capitals unless they have thick wallets). Wealthy men will do well anywhere and Sterlin should stay home.
I put together a poll and a significant percentage of men here at RUA seem
to be fairly pretty shy. I think the number of men who are shy and pursue
FSUW is probably significant.
Shyness poll
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=15350.0
I wonder what impressions Mark has regarding this and what he does to
help out the shy guys.
The less literate that a man is, the more adventageous that it is for him to meet face-to-face. If a man writes eloquently, he can usually get away with email correspondence for a month or two. Unfortunately, quality writing is not the norm.
Tom, you are right on the money. This is where a really experienced guy could chart his own course, write letters, Skype, and set up his trip for himself successfully. But even among experienced men, there are few who know how to write to foreign women without coming across too eager, egotistical, or eccentric.
I put together a poll and a significant percentage of men here at RUA seem
to be fairly pretty shy. I think the number of men who are shy and pursue
FSUW is probably significant.
Shyness poll
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=15350.0
I wonder what impressions Mark has regarding this and what he does to
help out the shy guys.
I put together a poll and a significant percentage of men here at RUA seem
to be fairly pretty shy. I think the number of men who are shy and pursue
FSUW is probably significant.
Shyness poll
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=15350.0
I wonder what impressions Mark has regarding this and what he does to
help out the shy guys.
Bill, I went to that thread and voted. Also left you the following comment:
You should consider changing this: I give speeches in front of hundreds on a regular basis about my personal life to this I have given speeches in front of hundreds on on more than one occasion.
This would be a better indicator if you really want to judge shyness. I would have voted for the change since I've been doing this for around 30 years.
I love that you did this poll. By the way, one of my responses was that I wish I could be 2tallbill! Awesome humor.
There are four other things I'd do to help him, not only come out of his shell but get really excited with this new experience; but you get the idea. Acclimate - lifeline - date. The formula can be applied to many systems, not just mine.
Thanks for asking. :-)
I wonder how a shy man would fare going to a foreign country alone and having to meet and impress a woman in such a compressed time? The question should be asked if he did not have success in his own country why would he do well in a foreign environment.
I wonder how a shy man would fare going to a foreign country alone and having to meet and impress a woman in such a compressed time? The question should be asked if he did not have success in his own country why would he do well in a foreign environment.
I think the shy guy would do better with a guide / wingman
or really building the relationship with letters, phone calls and
skype before visiting or with a group with a translator / helper
like Mark Davis was talking about.
I wonder how a shy man would fare going to a foreign country alone and having to meet and impress a woman in such a compressed time? The question should be asked if he did not have success in his own country why would he do well in a foreign environment.
I think the shy guy would do better with a guide / wingman
or really building the relationship with letters, phone calls and
skype before visiting or with a group with a translator / helper
like Mark Davis was talking about.
I would lean more towards building a relationship with her with letters,phone calls,sharing pictures and doing Skype video calls than having a wingman or guide.
She will be impressed if the shy man is being bold.
I wonder how a shy man would fare going to a foreign country alone and having to meet and impress a woman in such a compressed time? The question should be asked if he did not have success in his own country why would he do well in a foreign environment.
I think the shy guy would do better with a guide / wingman
or really building the relationship with letters, phone calls and
skype before visiting or with a group with a translator / helper
like Mark Davis was talking about.
I would lean more towards building a relationship with her with letters,phone calls,sharing pictures and doing Skype video calls than having a wingman or guide.
She will be impressed if the shy man is being bold.
If he is shy he might only stay at the letter writing stage.
I see the winger as an asset shy or not. If the Wingman or Wingwoman (winger) is good they will be able to read better the woman than you. If you have to wonder what did she mean really this is what you are paying for. Perhaps you might forgive some of her behavior to culture but your winger might say no this person is not what you assume or think she is.
In fact this is about the same as a taking a new girl friend to meet your friends and acquaintances and seeing there reactions and hearing there feelings.
That's my opinion on the whole thing. Those are my best suggestions. Anything can work for the right types of circumstances and people (hey, I did meet my wife at a big box social). It is just my experience that this process gives you the best odds for success.
Mark very interesting and informative read.
I agree with your assessment than most pre-travel communications is time wasted. I have a couple of questions.
If you are seeking a younger bride, how important is income and financial security in the process? I know that all women seek some level of financial security when they marry but is it more important when a wide-age courtship is involved. Without being too specific, I would guess that your income, like mine is in the 2% targeting by our President. How much did this factor come into play during your courtship. Is there a minimum level of income or financial assets needed to realistically pursue a bride from the FSU?
Sex and intimacy during courtship. I'm one of the leading proponents of the "5 Date Sex Rule" when courting women from the FSU. No sex by the fifth date and she's just not that in to you. That rule is modified by the corollary that sex on the first date can be worse than no sex in 5 dates. In your strategy what role or indicator (if any) does sex play in the process when an older man seeks a younger woman?
Someone had posted two of our videos on a public forum and labeled
the string, "Miracles Do Happen". In less than one week there were
nearly 90 responses and many did not see us as "miracle".
I came up with this label instead of "amiables and analyticals" because their greatest asset is that they are altruistic - giving in nature - and true to themselves. These guys hate the bar scene and pickup artists because they feel they would have to become something they are not in order to win. They can't compete with bullies and braggarts (their perception) and refuse to become a 'bad boy' in order to attract a female.
So, my observation is this: altruistic personality types are tired of being told that they are not desirable in Western society to the women - and they don't know what they can do to win. They don't know how they are supposed to behave. They don't know what they are supposed to say. So they say little and refrain from interactions so they are not embarrassed and rejected - again.
.If a man is not able to read a woman and needs another man/woman to tell him what she is thinking then maybe he should stay home?
There are different opinions about this matter. When I see it works, I think why that guy won such a girl? Some members here have tendency to discourage. If you think I waste your time - don't waste your time on me.
My post wasn't really as much about answering you. It was more about giving a heads up to other readers who might not know your history... that in my opinion isn't a waste of time.
By the way, last thing you said in your last thread was that you were forgetting about your FSU search and were going to look for a wife at home. Why the post about young FSU girls now???
No need to answer... just a rhetorical question showing other readers why I think that you are just here trolling.
You are developping interesting clues, but probably because of language, it is difficult to understand you.QuoteSomeone had posted two of our videos on a public forum and labeled
the string, "Miracles Do Happen". In less than one week there were
nearly 90 responses and many did not see us as "miracle".
I posted it. I found it by chance in YouTube. By that time I didn't know who Mark and Anna are. I wouldn't imagine that it would be a hot topic and that Mark will come to take part in it.QuoteI came up with this label instead of "amiables and analyticals" because their greatest asset is that they are altruistic - giving in nature - and true to themselves. These guys hate the bar scene and pickup artists because they feel they would have to become something they are not in order to win. They can't compete with bullies and braggarts (their perception) and refuse to become a 'bad boy' in order to attract a female.
So, my observation is this: altruistic personality types are tired of being told that they are not desirable in Western society to the women - and they don't know what they can do to win. They don't know how they are supposed to behave. They don't know what they are supposed to say. So they say little and refrain from interactions so they are not embarrassed and rejected - again.
This is pretty much like me. But I don't think someone can win if he pretends to be someone he is not. I think the only way to attract is to be yourself. Pick up experts say when someone is comfort he can attract women without notice. Many guys say when they are in a company of women they are not attracted to - they feel comfort because they don't want them, and then can be attractive to the women. But when they meet woman they attracted to - they become nervous and lose their head and therefore not behave naturally. They try to be liked and nice and this is false. They are not themselves. It's all about self esteem and confidence. Having failures harm the self esteem, and successes build it up.Quote.If a man is not able to read a woman and needs another man/woman to tell him what she is thinking then maybe he should stay home?
It would be better to find something like Mark's workshop at home.
After reading the story I wouldn't say it was "miracle".
You are developping interesting clues, but probably because of language, it is difficult to understand you.
If i understand you through the lines i would correct some issues about what you "told" us :
The only way to attract is to be yourself / unfortunately in western countries this is not enough and doesn't fit with the true (TRUE has to be shifted) expectations of WM.
Pick up experts say when someone is comfort he can attract women without notice / absolutely true but comfort is only one of the piece of attraction.
You have surely noticed that sometime when you are not interested by a woman you show her the appropriate behavior which attracts her.
They try to be liked and nice and this is false / Who ? PUA, surely not, absolutely not. A lot guys, nice guys yes.
/ you are right self esteem and confidence is the KEY.
Interestingly, the ones who were intimate the first week they met are not together. The guys who waited are. Most fall in the middle.
Most relationships fail whether people consummate them or not, however.
That's not statistically true - at least not with international marriages. And 99% consummate long before the wedding day.
I have had guys who waited until the wedding night.
I've had a few who became intimate their first week that they met. Interestingly, the ones who were intimate the first week they met are not together. The guys who waited are. Most fall in the middle.
I have had guys who waited until the wedding night.
Most people would consider that extremely foolish. I have yet to meet any woman who would go for that either. Women are not stupid; they want to make sure a guy is not a dud in the sack. No woman wants to marry Mr Floppy.I've had a few who became intimate their first week that they met. Interestingly, the ones who were intimate the first week they met are not together. The guys who waited are. Most fall in the middle.
I call BS here. Here in Europe, intimacy within the first week would be quite normal in any country and across any age and social group with well adjusted people who had healthy attitudes to sex. In the FSU also; if not more so. You are trying to create 'norms' here that might sit well with your clients that actually are completely untrue.
However, men who are more socially awkward around women, or those who seek huge age gaps, will end up waiting longer due to inexperience. Religious types may like to wait until a wedding.
I have yet to see anything anywhere that supports your theory that those who got intimate within a week have shorter relationships as a result. In fact, if you use the forum demographic, the converse is the case. Men who come back after the first trip still with a full box of condoms are more often than not those who become train crashes. Because the woman simply wasn't that into him and the guy couldn't read it.
I call BS here. Here in Europe, intimacy within the first week would be quite normal in any country and across any age and social group with well adjusted people who had healthy attitudes to sex. In the FSU also; if not more so. You are trying to create 'norms' here that might sit well with your clients that actually are completely untrue.
However, men who are more socially awkward around women, or those who seek huge age gaps, will end up waiting longer due to inexperience. Religious types may like to wait until a wedding.
I have yet to see anything anywhere that supports your theory that those who got intimate within a week have shorter relationships as a result. In fact, if you use the forum demographic, the converse is the case. Men who come back after the first trip still with a full box of condoms are more often than not those who become train crashes. Because the woman simply wasn't that into him and the guy couldn't read it.
There is no statistics on on FSUW / WM
But I went looking last year and found a small study from a University
in US 36% divorce rate and a larger study form the UK which was 41 or 42 %
Don't have the sites now and this was based on International relationships.
They were both very reputable Universities.
Not sure how much that helps, but both numbers were lower than US and Canada
which is over 50%.
Only logic, I could put to this is if you get to the point of marriage and all it takes to
accomplish, that if there is a problem you will likely work harder to resolve it!
Than to just walk away, which seems to be common place in north America now.
I do think we had a discussion on this last year, some where.
Men who come back after the first trip still with a full box of condoms are more often than not those who become train crashes.
There is no statistics on on FSUW / WM
Men who come back after the first trip still with a full box of condoms are more often than not those who become train crashes.
That's a bad example because it doesn't account for the guys who didn't bring 'em, didn't use 'em and, perhaps, wish that they had used 'em.
I've had a few who became intimate their first week that they met. Interestingly, the ones who were intimate the first week they met are not together. The guys who waited are. Most fall in the middle.
Assuming the guy is socially capable and experienced with women, if it hasn't happened on the first visit (and we'll assume the first visit comprises at least seven dates), - devout religion excepted - its relatively safe to assume it isn't going to.
Speaking of that, I wonder how it went for Chris.
Men who come back after the first trip still with a full box of condoms are more often than not those who become train crashes.
There is no statistics on on FSUW / WM
Yes, there are. I cited one in the past, which was published in both Russian and American academic journals that found a higher divorce rate than for domestic marriages. Further, the divorce "rate" in the US is not 50%. I've provided links to this in the past.
Another forum commissioned a study in 2008-2009 (I believe), with a fair number of respondents from a number of sources (all starting online). All were FSUW/WM, and a statistician was hired to compile the data. The overall divorce rate was, I think, a little over 40%. However, Jooky (who makes rare appearances here) broke down the data further because he said "new" marriages (the year of the survey or the preceding year) skewed the results. These responses are from male respondents only, and the percentages are divorce rates.
Married 2009 4 /26 15%
Married 2008 9 / 118 07%
Married 2007 16 / 138 11%
Married 2006 22 / 129 17%
Married 2005 14 / 49 28%
Married 2004 22 / 47 46%
Married 2003 18 / 25 72%
Married 2002 20 / 30 67%
Married 2001 23 / 41 56%
Married 2000 25 / 28 89%
Married 1999 61 / 81 75% (1999 and before)
Mark Davis,
You are 49 and your wife is 23...my son is 23! I have nothing else to say on this TR.
Mark Davis,
You are 49 and your wife is 23...my son is 23! I have nothing else to say on this TR.
Mark Davis,
You are 49 and your wife is 23...my son is 23! I have nothing else to say on this TR.
Looks like Mark will have to get some friends with younger sons.
I read a report from an interfaith group a couple years back. What struck me was those who married outside there own faith but inside there own religion managed percentage wise make a go of it. I do not remember how far back it went, but it was long term.
The odd thing & that was what I studied, was people who married outside there own culture but within there own religion. So i.e. Slavic with Caucasian or Hispanic with Slavic or what ever that these relationships seemed to last longer. I know if you read a site such as AFA they insist that the cross cultural relationships last longer and are more stable.
Looking at the numbers above they are sobering, especially over the long term. :(
Mark Davis,
You are 49 and your wife is 23...my son is 23! I have nothing else to say on this TR.
I'm sure that Mark would have chosen a different wife if he had known that you would object to Anna.
Mark Davis,
You are 49 and your wife is 23...my son is 23! I have nothing else to say on this TR.
I'm sure that Mark would have chosen a different wife if he had known that you would object to Anna.
Mark Davis,
You are 49 and your wife is 23...my son is 23! I have nothing else to say on this TR.
I'm sure that Mark would have chosen a different wife if he had known that you would object to Anna.
I suspect it is just how much weight should be given to the advice of such a couple (as I understand, their advice is "as a couple").
If married six years, was she 17 when they married?
So you approve of such a age difference? Tom...you are a fraud.
There are different opinions about this matter. When I see it works, I think why that guy won such a girl? Some members here have tendency to discourage. If you think I waste your time - don't waste your time on me.
My post wasn't really as much about answering you. It was more about giving a heads up to other readers who might not know your history... that in my opinion isn't a waste of time.
By the way, last thing you said in your last thread was that you were forgetting about your FSU search and were going to look for a wife at home. Why the post about young FSU girls now???
No need to answer... just a rhetorical question showing other readers why I think that you are just here trolling.
What is that mean?!?!
Who do you think you are to decide about me what to write here? I'm a member here like everyone else. I ordered the book and red it. I had past experience with FSU women, including two trips to Ukraine. I can say that I search for a wife at home and I can say otherwise. Any problem with that? No need to shit on me for other readers, thanks.
Yea
The "experts" wanted to teach me about age difference. Should I avoid writing to young girls just because the doctors say so? Why not try your luck with the age group you are attracted to just because they say it won't work?
So you approve of such a age difference? Tom...you are a fraud.
Mark and Anna's marriage is none of our business.
Would it be if you had a 23 yr old daughter involved with a man who is 49. Tell me I am wrong?
I would kick the living shit out of a man who showed up in my home wanting to see/date my 23 yr old daughter who was 49!
Would it be if you had a 23 yr old daughter involved with a man who is 49. Tell me I am wrong?
Would it be if you had a 23 yr old daughter involved with a man who is 49. Tell me I am wrong?
I would kick the living shit out of a man who showed up in my home wanting to see/date my 23 yr old daughter who was 49!
Justmd, open mouth, insert foot.
I subscribe to the futility of the average man seeking a wife who is 25+ years his junior. However IMHO BOTH TomT and Mark appear to fit into that rare category of man possessing the intelligence, perception, judgement, patience and physical shape to successfully pull it off.
Would it be if you had a 23 yr old daughter involved with a man who is 49. Tell me I am wrong?
Whether I have a 23-Garold daughter who wants to marry a 49-Garold dickhead or not, Mark and Anna's marriage is still none of our business.
He wasn't looking for a wife that young
and recommends not to try to go out looking for the same age difference that he has with his wife.
I would kick the living shit out of a man who showed up in my home wanting to see/date my 23 yr old daughter who was 49!
and recommends not to try to go out looking for the same age difference that he has with his wife.
Funnily enough, most men who married very young women say that too.
I would kick the living shit out of a man who showed up in my home wanting to see/date my 23 yr old daughter who was 49!
At what age would you allow your daughter to chose her own dates?
I would kick the living shit out of a man who showed up in my home wanting to see/date my 23 yr old daughter who was 49!
At what age would you allow your daughter to chose her own dates?
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I would kick the living shit out of a man who showed up in my home wanting to see/date my 23 yr old daughter who was 49!
At what age would you allow your daughter to chose her own dates?
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+1 very good postMen who come back after the first trip still with a full box of condoms are more often than not those who become train crashes.
That's a bad example because it doesn't account for the guys who didn't bring 'em, didn't use 'em and, perhaps, wish that they had used 'em.
I was using a polite metaphor. :biggrin:
Much of the one-to-one phone consultation my wife and/or I have done has been on this subject. Typically, a guy will have visited two or three times. Nothing much has happened. If he has broached the subject with the woman, the 'reasons' vary from time of the month through to religion and even 'good girls don't'. The prognosis is always the same: she just isn't that into you.
It has been said often: When a Russian speaking woman is into you, you will know about it sooner rather than later.
Assuming the guy is socially capable and experienced with women, if it hasn't happened on the first visit (and we'll assume the first visit comprises at least seven dates), - devout religion excepted - its relatively safe to assume it isn't going to. There is no shortage of available women, so even if the odd good one gets away using that criteria, like a bus, another will be along in a moment.
The thing is, socially capable men and those who are experienced with women generally, learn the ropes of this endeavour - by books, forums, school of hard knocks or whatever means - and take a crack at going it alone. Those who are shy, lack confidence, are socially awkward or lack experience with women will find comfort in a group/tour/social setting or a wingman/mentor setting and generally need more um... guidance. Those are the blokes who will buy piffle like:I've had a few who became intimate their first week that they met. Interestingly, the ones who were intimate the first week they met are not together. The guys who waited are. Most fall in the middle.
This makes the guy from a different culture, who might not be super confident with women feel OK about not having early success. He will believe from piffle like this that those who "rush" get it wrong. This may lull him into a false sense of security. This may make him depend on his chosen wing-people even more hoping to achieve success. :money:
On one of the websites recently linked about Mark and his wife, I saw their respective ages in brackets after their names. By so highlighting it, it suggested to me not only that this was their targetted USP (easy meat), but suggests to Joe Sixpack that he can pull off the same age gap with ease. That demonstrably isn't the case. Mark had the attributes his wife was looking for at that time and in her situation - and vice versa. That they are still together and happy makes them the exception rather than the norm.
My advice to those that are not sufficiently au fait with women generally is to practice at home until you know what you are doing. If you cant get it right at home, you wont pull it off with a language barrier, a cultural barrier and especially with a decade or two between you. No amount of wing-people, dollars, webinars, succinct marketing or free ebooks is a substitute for feet-on-the-ground experience and taking the slow road of learning about the society and culture you seek to delve into.
The detractors cannot imagine they would be happy in such a relationship and seek to impose their preferences on everyone else.
If I had a 21-25 year old daughter 5 years difference would be the limit, If a man in his mid to late 40's showed up at my door then he would leave my home embarrassed.
The detractors cannot imagine they would be happy in such a relationship and seek to impose their preferences on everyone else.
It's a little too late for people to encourage Mark and Anna to close the barn door because their horses ran away six years ago.
p.s.
The above metaphor has nothing whatever to do with Ward.
If I had a 21-25 year old daughter 5 years difference would be the limit, If a man in his mid to late 40's showed up at my door then he would leave my home embarrassed.
And what is age difference between you and your girlfriend? :biggrin:
If I had a 21-25 year old daughter 5 years difference would be the limit, If a man in his mid to late 40's showed up at my door then he would leave my home embarrassed.
She is 35 and I am 46.
Justmd,
We understand by now that you vehemently disapprove of twenty year age gap relationships. But Mark and his wife are married, quite possibly happily. Why keep trying to gin up opprobrium on him/them?
If I had a 21-25 year old daughter 5 years difference would be the limit, If a man in his mid to late 40's showed up at my door then he would leave my home embarrassed.
And what is age difference between you and your girlfriend? :biggrin:
She is 35 and I am 46.
Why did you award yourself an eleven-year age gap when your hypothetical daughter only gets five?
Justmd,
We understand by now that you vehemently disapprove of twenty year age gap relationships. But Mark and his wife are married, quite possibly happily. Why keep trying to gin up opprobrium on him/them?
Answer me this...what would any man who is in mid to late 40's have in common with a lady 20+ years younger?
sex...hot body?
21-25 and 35-46 is a huge gap in maturity...
21-25 and 35-46 is a huge gap in maturity...you should know this as a parent.
21-25 and 35-46 is a huge gap in maturity...
The framing of your statement leaves much to be desired. Nonetheless, I know what you meant, even though it's not what you wrote.
It's reasonable that a 35-year-old woman would make more sensible decisions than a 21-year-old girl. However, there is no assurance that a 46-year-old guy will make more sensible decisions than a 25-year-old kid. In fact, the forum archives are littered with examples of guys, your age, who made terrible decisions.
If I had a 21-25 year old daughter 5 years difference would be the limit, If a man in his mid to late 40's showed up at my door then he would leave my home embarrassed.
If I had a 21-25 year old daughter 5 years difference would be the limit, If a man in his mid to late 40's showed up at my door then he would leave my home embarrassed.
What pull would you have over your adult daughter? At age 21 she is an adult and you have no legal obligations towards her. At that age she is free to choose and do as she wants, if not at 18yo. It won't sit well with you, but really there is nothing you can do.
Back when I was in my 30's, I saw the girls I hung with getting married or into long term relationships. I slowly saw the hot girls disappear from my social circle. As time wore on I still connected to the 20 something crowd, and in a few discussions with girls it became apparent that they were tired of the younger guys playing with them, and enjoyed the 30 somethings guy who no longer took the 20 somethings for granted.
In the end the girl found a better guy.
Take Tom and Nessi, they have some similar interests. Tom is a fit guy who doesn't sit on his ass all weekend watching sports on TV, he's active. How many active 60 yo females do you know? It's apparent from what he posts to me that Tom would leave a similar aged partner in the dust. It's not so much the age, its how old you act.
If I had a 21-25 year old daughter 5 years difference would be the limit, If a man in his mid to late 40's showed up at my door then he would leave my home embarrassed.
If I had a 21-25 year old daughter 5 years difference would be the limit, If a man in his mid to late 40's showed up at my door then he would leave my home embarrassed.
If I had a 21-25 year old daughter 5 years difference would be the limit, If a man in his mid to late 40's showed up at my door then he would leave my home embarrassed.
If I had a 21-25 year old daughter 5 years difference would be the limit, If a man in his mid to late 40's showed up at my door then he would leave my home embarrassed.
:chuckle: Not that I'm keeping track but that has to be one of the silliest things you've said to date. ;D
Irina - 31 (Belarus)
Karisa - 27 (Sao Paulo, BR)
Elena - 27 (Some small town I forgot the name of in Ukraine)
Kamila - 28 (Warsaw, Poland)
I'm 41....
Irina - 31 (Belarus)
Karisa - 27 (Sao Paulo, BR)
Elena - 27 (Some small town I forgot the name of in Ukraine)
Kamila - 28 (Warsaw, Poland)
I'm 41....
If I had a 21-25 year old daughter 5 years difference would be the limit, If a man in his mid to late 40's showed up at my door then he would leave my home embarrassed.
She was 17 and he was 43 when they meet, anyone else see how wrong this is?
Where did you get the idea Anna was 17 when she and Mark met?
Justmd Seems you have little faith in your own daughters ability to make choices as an adult!
You also have a different standard for your self and her, Why because your a wise man?
Kinda hypocritical statement really.
Age truly is a number and yes some will make big work, most won't but 10 years IMO
is not a big gap. 20 is big, but still more than doable for many people, again IMO.
Where did you get the idea Anna was 17 when she and Mark met?
If you keep this discussion going with questions, you are running the risk that he will climb back on his soapbox.
If I had a 21-25 year old daughter 5 years difference would be the limit, If a man in his mid to late 40's showed up at my door then he would leave my home embarrassed.
So, am I to understand all this emotional tough guy talk is fantasy because you actually don't have a daughter, is that correct?
I've seen two instances of OTT comments from you on this topic in as many days, Justmd. Your made up what if, Walter Mittyish "Gee, if only I had an adult daughter, I'd show those guys who she tried to date what's what, I tell you." scenarios are childish.Quote from: justmdShe was 17 and he was 43 when they meet, anyone else see how wrong this is?
Where did you get the idea Anna was 17 when she and Mark met? Is this also part of the fantasy now?
Brass
Mark Davis,For a guy with nothing else to say.........just saying :coffeeread:
You are 49 and your wife is 23...my son is 23! I have nothing else to say on this TR.
Justmd,
We understand by now that you vehemently disapprove of twenty year age gap relationships. But Mark and his wife are married, quite possibly happily. Why keep trying to gin up opprobrium on him/them?
Answer me this...what would any man who is in mid to late 40's have in common with a lady 20+ years younger?
sex...hot body?
A good relationship is about much more than sex. You want to find a powerful emotional connection with the other person. But if you are lucky enough to find this, maybe you won't let an age gap deter you. And as for what you find in common, it can be attitudes about family and raising children, attitudes about love and marriage, and many other things.
It's clear that you love your girlfriend. Would you have disregarded her if she was ten years younger? Different people mature at different ages.
Mark Davis,For a guy with nothing else to say.........just saying :coffeeread:
You are 49 and your wife is 23...my son is 23! I have nothing else to say on this TR.
If I had a 21-25 year old daughter 5 years difference would be the limit, If a man in his mid to late 40's showed up at my door then he would leave my home embarrassed.
What pull would you have over your adult daughter? At age 21 she is an adult and you have no legal obligations towards her. At that age she is free to choose and do as she wants, if not at 18yo. It won't sit well with you, but really there is nothing you can do.
Back when I was in my 30's, I saw the girls I hung with getting married or into long term relationships. I slowly saw the hot girls disappear from my social circle. As time wore on I still connected to the 20 something crowd, and in a few discussions with girls it became apparent that they were tired of the younger guys playing with them, and enjoyed the 30 somethings guy who no longer took the 20 somethings for granted.
In the end the girl found a better guy.
Take Tom and Nessi, they have some similar interests. Tom is a fit guy who doesn't sit on his ass all weekend watching sports on TV, he's active. How many active 60 yo females do you know? It's apparent from what he posts to me that Tom would leave a similar aged partner in the dust. It's not so much the age, its how old you act.
Donhillo's post defines the crux of the "problem" Some men enjoy life as well as some women enjoy life but a majority of the population at age 50 are worrying about there retirement and whether they need liposuction. With matters of the heart I have a difficult time with inflexible rules.
The women in Connecticut and Amsterdam tend to be hardened and bitter. The men often boring and disconnected. If a man can find a woman (often younger) who understands life than the two can be a richer pair together.
Some of us admire Katherine Hepburn but there are few women in Connecticut who have/had this vitality. That is why some of us find our selves perhaps by accident but sometimes by intent with younger women.
Is it evil no - is it healthy perhaps. It's just what it is, risks and rewards go with this.
Irina - 31 (Belarus)
Karisa - 27 (Sao Paulo, BR)
Elena - 27 (Some small town I forgot the name of in Ukraine)
Kamila - 28 (Warsaw, Poland)
I'm 41....
Irina - 31 (Belarus)
Karisa - 27 (Sao Paulo, BR)
Elena - 27 (Some small town I forgot the name of in Ukraine)
Kamila - 28 (Warsaw, Poland)
I'm 41....
If I understand correctly you wouldn't let your hypothetical daughter date a man older than 5 years, yet you are interested in women 10 - 14 years younger ???
I am sorry, but we can do this all night and I will never agree with a middle aged man pursuing a young lady in her very early 20's just for the sake of it, I thought this forum was about men dating and finding a life long partner.
Today I read some of the comments posted here to Marina, she said she hopes these men do not find her country.
Irina - 31 (Belarus)
Karisa - 27 (Sao Paulo, BR)
Elena - 27 (Some small town I forgot the name of in Ukraine)
Kamila - 28 (Warsaw, Poland)
I'm 41....
If I understand correctly you wouldn't let your hypothetical daughter date a man older than 5 years, yet you are interested in women 10 - 14 years younger ???
I think this is meant for me? I am seeing a woman who is a single parent and is 35 years old, I am 46. being a single parent also and having raised my 23 year old son and being around the age group of his friends and girlfriends I think I can comment on maturity levels...again, a woman who is 35 is much different than a young lady at 23-25.
I have only been to one country and leave the end of next week for another visit with her.
Irina - 31 (Belarus)
Karisa - 27 (Sao Paulo, BR)
Elena - 27 (Some small town I forgot the name of in Ukraine)
Kamila - 28 (Warsaw, Poland)
I'm 41....
If I understand correctly you wouldn't let your hypothetical daughter date a man older than 5 years, yet you are interested in women 10 - 14 years younger ???
I think this is meant for me? I am seeing a woman who is a single parent and is 35 years old, I am 46. being a single parent also and having raised my 23 year old son and being around the age group of his friends and girlfriends I think I can comment on maturity levels...again, a woman who is 35 is much different than a young lady at 23-25.
I have only been to one country and leave the end of next week for another visit with her.
Is the 25 year-old that different from the 35 year old? I would say that it depends. Some 25-year-olds will be more mature than some 35 years olds...
Today I read some of the comments posted here to Marina, she said she hopes these men do not find her country.
I am sorry, but we can do this all night and I will never agree with a middle aged man pursuing a young lady in her very early 20's just for the sake of it, I thought this forum was about men dating and finding a life long partner.
Today I read some of the comments posted here to Marina, she said she hopes these men do not find her country.
I was 25 when I met my better half, he was 38 (Justmd, notice age difference int that different from the one in your relationship). He was scared of my age at first, I never noticed any age difference. We have been happy together. Would it change my feelings towards him if there was even bigger age difference? - No!
Justmd, as you keep saying Marina won your heart over, same way other people find those that win their hearts over and some times it happens to be bigger age difference then socially accepted as normal.
I have a large, close family with many nieces at this very young age, plus a large group of close friends whose children have now grown into the early 20's, Also I have raised my son alone since he was 4, so what is your point....I stated clearly " if " I had a daughter, but the fact that my son is 23 I think I can have a opinion as to why it to odd.
So you are fine with old men chasing after young ladies? if so please come out and state this.
"Is this also part of the fantasy now?" what the hell are you talking about with this whole entire post sir?
So you approve of such a age difference? Tom...you are a fraud.
Mark and Anna's marriage is none of our business.
Would it be if you had a 23 yr old daughter involved with a man who is 49. Tell me I am wrong?
I would kick the living shit out of a man who showed up in my home wanting to see/date my 23 yr old daughter who was 49!
Today I read some of the comments posted here to Marina, she said she hopes these men do not find her country.
You haven't a clue that Marina is telling you what you want to hear.
I have a large, close family with many nieces at this very young age, plus a large group of close friends whose children have now grown into the early 20's, Also I have raised my son alone since he was 4, so what is your point....I stated clearly " if " I had a daughter, but the fact that my son is 23 I think I can have a opinion as to why it to odd.
So you are fine with old men chasing after young ladies? if so please come out and state this.
"Is this also part of the fantasy now?" what the hell are you talking about with this whole entire post sir?
1) My point is this...So you approve of such a age difference? Tom...you are a fraud.
Mark and Anna's marriage is none of our business.
Would it be if you had a 23 yr old daughter involved with a man who is 49. Tell me I am wrong?
I would kick the living shit out of a man who showed up in my home wanting to see/date my 23 yr old daughter who was 49!
...is not an opinion. This is a belligerent, aggressive statement clearly aimed at Mark as it was Tom's remark regarding Mark and Anna's marriage you quoted.
You state coming from a large family and being a single parent qualifies you to make these statements. I would conclude that it shows a rabidly judgemental and inflexible individual who might find his family and friends distancing themselves if he ever acted out these confrontational fantasies in the real world.
2) I've often stated I'm firmly in the live and let live camp regarding age gap marriages. However, my position on age gap is not relevant to this discussion, we are discussing your rather vicious statements towards another member.
3) What I'm talking about is you posting inaccurate statements about a commercial member and his wife without knowing their history, specifically her age when they met and alluding to imaginary daughters and fantasy scenarios as an excuse to post inapropriate, combative comments.
Brass
Today I read some of the comments posted here to Marina, she said she hopes these men do not find her country.
I make no excuses on being a hard ass on certain subjects, fact is I do not abide by with a man promoting the fact his wife was 17 when they first meet, yes it was mentioned here so clearly!! and find it strange he has not commented back to clarify this...So now I ask him to do so.
I will say this again you are a fraud, I have read many of your postings and you come across as a snobbish,angry man.
MissA!
But...Marina is 35 and I am 46! a different age grouping
Today I read some of the comments posted here to Marina, she said she hopes these men do not find her country.
Try reading all the comments to her not just your edited version (I can only imagine the ages you've assigned Mark and Anna in your version of events). Infact, her reading this topic in it's entirety might be more of an eye opener for her regarding your personality than anything else.
Brass
Irina - 31 (Belarus)
Karisa - 27 (Sao Paulo, BR)
Elena - 27 (Some small town I forgot the name of in Ukraine)
Kamila - 28 (Warsaw, Poland)
I'm 41....
If I understand correctly you wouldn't let your hypothetical daughter date a man older than 5 years, yet you are interested in women 10 - 14 years younger ???
I think this is meant for me? I am seeing a woman who is a single parent and is 35 years old, I am 46. being a single parent also and having raised my 23 year old son and being around the age group of his friends and girlfriends I think I can comment on maturity levels...again, a woman who is 35 is much different than a young lady at 23-25.
I have only been to one country and leave the end of next week for another visit with her.
Is the 25 year-old that different from the 35 year old? I would say that it depends. Some 25-year-olds will be more mature than some 35 years olds...
Come on...you are speaking in general terms almost like does lighting strike the same place twice,of course there is the exception to ever rule and it can happen but in general terms it is a very small percentage.
And if you do not see the difference in the maturity level from a 25 yr old lady to a 35 yr old lady, not sure what to say.
I will say this again you are a fraud, I have read many of your postings and you come across as a snobbish,angry man.
Do you want me start discussing your serial stupidity or shall we stick to the topic, eh?
I will say this again you are a fraud, I have read many of your postings and you come across as a snobbish,angry man.
Do you want me to start discussing your serial stupidity or shall we stick to the topic, eh?
Well...she just called me and we are talking about this...stupid men is all she would say.
I make no excuses on being a hard ass on certain subjects, fact is I do not abide by with a man promoting the fact his wife was 17 when they first meet, yes it was mentioned here so clearly!! and find it strange he has not commented back to clarify this...So now I ask him to do so.Link me to the quote/message/post where "it was mentioned here so clearly".
:ROFL: :ROFL:I will say this again you are a fraud, I have read many of your postings and you come across as a snobbish,angry man.
Do you want me to start discussing your serial stupidity or shall we stick to the topic, eh?
Seems the topic is about miracles... Ever heard old stupids become wise and moderate?
Justmd, why the hell are you wasting time talking to your girl about things on here? :drunk:or in cases like this family entertainment. :biggrin:
This place can be very toxic to a relationship.
Hey, guys!
Thanks for the chance to enter into this conversation.
My story is an exception. I was not looking for a big age difference. Anna didn't want to tell me her age for the first two months we were dating because she thought it would scare me off. She would have been right. I thought she was around 26 based on her maturity and humor. She thought I was around 35 based on my personal energy. By the time I found out what her age was, and recovered from the shock, I realized that I was already in love with her. This was my half.
Mark, I just took a browse around your website and looked over the photos from your March 2012 tour.......
Well...she just called me and we are talking about this...stupid men is all she would say.
It's folly to hide behind your girl and post derogatory comments by proxy in her name (if even true). If you open that door it can get messy if a member responds in kind.
Still waiting on that link...I make no excuses on being a hard ass on certain subjects, fact is I do not abide by with a man promoting the fact his wife was 17 when they first meet, yes it was mentioned here so clearly!! and find it strange he has not commented back to clarify this...So now I ask him to do so.Link me to the quote/message/post where "it was mentioned here so clearly".
Brass
Mark, I just took a browse around your website and looked over the photos from your March 2012 tour.......
I found Mark's red shirt to be much more alarming. :o
;)
There are different opinions about this matter. When I see it works, I think why that guy won such a girl? Some members here have tendency to discourage. If you think I waste your time - don't waste your time on me.
My post wasn't really as much about answering you. It was more about giving a heads up to other readers who might not know your history... that in my opinion isn't a waste of time.
By the way, last thing you said in your last thread was that you were forgetting about your FSU search and were going to look for a wife at home. Why the post about young FSU girls now???
No need to answer... just a rhetorical question showing other readers why I think that you are just here trolling.
What is that mean?!?!
Who do you think you are to decide about me what to write here? I'm a member here like everyone else. I ordered the book and red it. I had past experience with FSU women, including two trips to Ukraine. I can say that I search for a wife at home and I can say otherwise. Any problem with that? No need to shit on me for other readers, thanks.
It means I have no use for someone who goes out SPECIFICALLY to look for girls 30+ years younger than themselves.Yea
The "experts" wanted to teach me about age difference. Should I avoid writing to young girls just because the doctors say so? Why not try your luck with the age group you are attracted to just because they say it won't work?
You didn't talk about coincidentally meeting a girl this young who attracted you, you talked about TARGETING these girls because girls their age group are who attracted you. Mark himself explained that their situation was very unusual. He wasn't looking for a wife that young and recommends not to try to go out looking for the same age difference that he has with his wife. The "experts" who's words you are trying to dismiss say the same thing.
Your statements are more of a predator than a man who is looking for a loving wife and it makes me sick.
Well...she just called me and we are talking about this...stupid men is all she would say.
It's folly to hide behind your girl and post derogatory comments by proxy in her name (if even true). If you open that door it can get messy if a member responds in kind.
Still waiting on that link...I make no excuses on being a hard ass on certain subjects, fact is I do not abide by with a man promoting the fact his wife was 17 when they first meet, yes it was mentioned here so clearly!! and find it strange he has not commented back to clarify this...So now I ask him to do so.Link me to the quote/message/post where "it was mentioned here so clearly".
Brass
If you read Reply#37- point two, the age question of Anna at the time, will be answered.
Justmd, need to again check the facts :reading:
AGE GAP COMMENTARY FROM A GUY WITH A 25-YEAR AGE DIFFERENCE WITH HIS UKRAINIAN WIFE OF FIVE YEARS
by Mark Davis
POINT ONE: I did not go looking for a big age gap. When we met I thought she was about 26 based on her maturity and humor. That would have made it a 16 year gap and I felt fine about that.
POINT TWO: Anna DID go looking for an age gap. She was convinced that guys in their 20's were all cheaters because they were all sewing their wild oats. She concluded that a marriage-minded guy would have to be over 30 - and she was dating guys in that age range in Ukraine when she was 18. It was a strategy on her part.
Ever heard old stupids become wise and moderate?
Where he says that she was dating various Ukrainian guys when she was 18.
I would suggest that this implies one of two things:-
1. The age gap is actually less than 25 years and she was older than 18 when they met.
2. They first met when she was 17 but did not actually get together until she was older, after she had been dating these other Ukrainian guys when she was 18.
It's impossible to tell from what Mark has written what the actual situation was.
Sorry Brass I was putting my post together and entertaining my little guy. Of course he came first so it took me way too long. I'll check out the link you posted.
Good post
He is hardly exceptional in appearance or stature now or five years ago.
One of the guys wrote a blog of the tour here; http://pryvet.wordpress.com/ (http://pryvet.wordpress.com/)which I've only read the first two entries of. This guy says he agrees with the blog of this other guy; http://www.westernwomensuck.com/2011/09/03/make-me-some-eggs/ (http://www.westernwomensuck.com/2011/09/03/make-me-some-eggs/). The url should tell you most of what you need to know about this misogynistic little pillock.
I'm curious if this (the woman referenced in "womensuck.com" above) is what men here mean when they talk about "fat, unreasonable, fem-nazi" types? Because I'll be honest, even though she's overweight and not my type, I don't think she's ugly and I don't think her preferences in men according to her dating profile is particularly demanding, I would even say she just wants a normal guy. So what's with all this guy's hate and angst? It reminds me of a lot of what I read from some men here. :biggrin:
Justmd took the 17 year old from my post, which was a question, rather than a statement. Mark posted Anna is 23, and they've been together 6 years. 23-6-17, at least, by my math.
Perhaps it was in his link, can't recall. But it did stick out to me - 23 years old, married 6 years. It is why I asked.
Without knowing when the video was made and how long they were married, it doesn't clarify anything for me.
... those that could genuinely and in good conscience arrive at a misunderstanding if questioning such a timeline.
... they are consistant and appear truthful when they relate the history of how they met and how old they were/are.
... was looking to see if our self described Mr. HardA$$ was even cognizant and capable of articulating what exactly he was accusing Mark of
Brass
Giving Mark the benefit of the doubt that Anna was 18.
... is there really that much difference between an FSU and American girl 18 years of age. I am no expert but common sense would tell me no.
This is an exceptional case either side of the pond IMO.
nick, it's not about the age of consent. Teens are not exactly models of stability and rational thought, and, with a large age discrepancy, coupled with the economic disparities that drive the whole "MOB" business to begin with, manipulation by a much older partner is a big risk.
Before anyone starts accusing me of promoting this sort of thing I would just like to say that, while I am neutral on this subject, I would very much agree with welder:-... is there really that much difference between an FSU and American girl 18 years of age. I am no expert but common sense would tell me no.
This is an exceptional case either side of the pond IMO.
"Quote" from website
Peter and Mark met in Odessa Ukraine in December of 2006. It was their first day in Ukraine together and they connected immediately.
Assuming, Mark and his business partner Peter, were both in Ukraine to meet ladies, would put Mark and Anna's Marriage less than 6 years :biggrin:
Edit : married in 2007,
What? At the other forum, he has posted how 50 year old men always look so much better than 50 year old women, and he (by implication) is the prime example. :laugh:
So, just a question to all the Americans on this site, why does everyone get so uptight about the age of 18 rather than the age of 16?
.QuoteSo, just a question to all the Americans on this site, why does everyone get so uptight about the age of 18 rather than the age of 16?
Many of my countrymen get uptight about A LOT of things. Three hours ago I was in the grocery store buying a few items and my daughters were with me. I went to the self-checkout lane, where one scans his purchases himself. I scanned in some wine and asked one of my daughters to put it in a bag, which was right next to me, while I continued scanning the rest of my purchases. My daughter is pre-adolescent, obviously well under the legal drinking age of 21. The store employee monitoring the self-checkout lane brusquely told me "she shouldn't be handling that; you need to put it in the bag. This, even though it was obviously me who was making the purchase.
It seems to be true that many people here get more uptight about sex than anything else. When my ex-wife was in high school her school didn't have an annual dance. The area was a small town in which many residents adhered to a religious fundamentalist church, the Church of Christ. My ex and a friend began a campaign for the school to have a graduation dance. The preacher at this church condemned both girls in his Sunday sermon, mentioning them by name. He apparently said that dancing would lead to sex.
This church apparently forbade its members from dancing. I once heard a joke: Why does the Church of Christ forbid its members from having sex while standing? Someone might see them and think they were dancing.
In the last decade there were at least two criminal prosecutions, in two different states, of women who held parties at which they demonstrated vibrators and other sex toys. These parties were held in friends' homes, very much like Tupperware parties. The woman who sold the vibrators would show them and take orders. Her friend, who hosted the party in her home, invited her other female friends and provided hors d'ouerves (sp?) and in return would get some discount on the product being sold.
The attendees were all friends. They voluntarily attended the parties, held at private homes. No sex occurred. There was no nudity. But prosecutors brought criminal charges against the woman who sold the vibrator obtained criminal convictions against her. In one case the conviction was overturned on appeal but in the other case it was not overturned.
A prosecutor's office typically has a vast number of cases to prosecute, so much so that their assistants who typically handle the cases all have a big stack of files and plea bargain almost all of them because they don't have nearly the time to actually try more than a tiny percentage of cases. But they were happy to take time away from prosecuting violent criminals and devote it to the trial and lengthy appeal of these women who were engaged in the sale of harmless products.
I like many things about my country, but it can be one ****ing uptight place. And different regions are often uptight about different things.
There are different opinions about this matter. When I see it works, I think why that guy won such a girl? Some members here have tendency to discourage. If you think I waste your time - don't waste your time on me.
My post wasn't really as much about answering you. It was more about giving a heads up to other readers who might not know your history... that in my opinion isn't a waste of time.
By the way, last thing you said in your last thread was that you were forgetting about your FSU search and were going to look for a wife at home. Why the post about young FSU girls now???
No need to answer... just a rhetorical question showing other readers why I think that you are just here trolling.
What is that mean?!?!
Who do you think you are to decide about me what to write here? I'm a member here like everyone else. I ordered the book and red it. I had past experience with FSU women, including two trips to Ukraine. I can say that I search for a wife at home and I can say otherwise. Any problem with that? No need to shit on me for other readers, thanks.
It means I have no use for someone who goes out SPECIFICALLY to look for girls 30+ years younger than themselves.Yea
The "experts" wanted to teach me about age difference. Should I avoid writing to young girls just because the doctors say so? Why not try your luck with the age group you are attracted to just because they say it won't work?
You didn't talk about coincidentally meeting a girl this young who attracted you, you talked about TARGETING these girls because girls their age group are who attracted you. Mark himself explained that their situation was very unusual. He wasn't looking for a wife that young and recommends not to try to go out looking for the same age difference that he has with his wife. The "experts" who's words you are trying to dismiss say the same thing.
Your statements are more of a predator than a man who is looking for a loving wife and it makes me sick.
First of all, it seems to me that you discredit me by saying:
" No need to answer... just a rhetorical question showing other readers why I think that you are just here trolling."
You may disagree with me and that's ok, but what you've said is insulting.
Second: I'm not looking for big age gap. I would not consider to contact girl who is 20 years younger, and definitely not 25 years younger.
I would't write what I wrote before because after all the "experts" right. I would be happy to have woman around 30 something y.o.
I've red Mark's posts after my post. I can change my opinion or be more accurate. I was impressed by that at first, but I don't aspire to look for such an age gap.
But anyway it was your attitude towards me that pissed me off. Not the content.
QuoteSo, just a question to all the Americans on this site, why does everyone get so uptight about the age of 18 rather than the age of 16?
Many of my countrymen get uptight about A LOT of things. Three hours ago I was in the grocery store buying a few items and my daughters were with me. I went to the self-checkout lane, where one scans his purchases himself. I scanned in some wine and asked one of my daughters to put it in a bag, which was right next to me, while I continued scanning the rest of my purchases. My daughter is pre-adolescent, obviously well under the legal drinking age of 21. The store employee monitoring the self-checkout lane brusquely told me "she shouldn't be handling that; you need to put it in the bag. This, even though it was obviously me who was making the purchase.
It seems to be true that many people here get more uptight about sex than anything else. When my ex-wife was in high school her school didn't have an annual dance. The area was a small town in which many residents adhered to a religious fundamentalist church, the Church of Christ. My ex and a friend began a campaign for the school to have a graduation dance. The preacher at this church condemned both girls in his Sunday sermon, mentioning them by name. He apparently said that dancing would lead to sex.
This church apparently forbade its members from dancing. I once heard a joke: Why does the Church of Christ forbid its members from having sex while standing? Someone might see them and think they were dancing.
In the last decade there were at least two criminal prosecutions, in two different states, of women who held parties at which they demonstrated vibrators and other sex toys. These parties were held in friends' homes, very much like Tupperware parties. The woman who sold the vibrators would show them and take orders. Her friend, who hosted the party in her home, invited her other female friends and provided hors d'ouerves (sp?) and in return would get some discount on the product being sold.
The attendees were all friends. They voluntarily attended the parties, held at private homes. No sex occurred. There was no nudity. But prosecutors brought criminal charges against the woman who sold the vibrator obtained criminal convictions against her. In one case the conviction was overturned on appeal but in the other case it was not overturned.
A prosecutor's office typically has a vast number of cases to prosecute, so much so that their assistants who typically handle the cases all have a big stack of files and plea bargain almost all of them because they don't have nearly the time to actually try more than a tiny percentage of cases. But they were happy to take time away from prosecuting violent criminals and devote it to the trial and lengthy appeal of these women who were engaged in the sale of harmless products.
I like many things about my country, but it can be one ****ing uptight place. And different regions are often uptight about different things.
I'm happy to see there was no misunderstanding, I meant to discredit and insult you... as I would for any 50+ year old man who comes here saying girls in the late teens-early 20's are the age group that attracts him and tries to justify why he should write to them. If you think that should be socially acceptable and get pissed off when I disagree and state my disgust then I guess that's your own personal problem.
What? At the other forum, he has posted how 50 year old men always look so much better than 50 year old women, and he (by implication) is the prime example. :laugh:
Let Mark repeat that when his wife will be 50...
These guys do punish themselves >>> they'll never see their wives old :biggrin:
Oops, he posted it here too.What? At the other forum, he has posted how 50 year old men always look so much better than 50 year old women, and he (by implication) is the prime example. :laugh:Let Mark repeat that when his wife will be 50...
These guys do punish themselves >>> they'll never see their wives old :biggrin:
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=16720.msg261149#msg261149
So, just a question to all the Americans on this site, why does everyone get so uptight about the age of 18 rather than the age of 16?
In the USA 18 is the age of consent. Having the age of consent
at age 18 keeps the teachers from F#cking the students in High
school. The bar has to be somewhere so in the USA it's been set
at 18.
So, just a question to all the Americans on this site, why does everyone get so uptight about the age of 18 rather than the age of 16?
In the USA first the kids go to grammar school, then High School,
then a college or university.
In the USA 18 is the age of consent. Having the age of consent
at age 18 keeps the teachers from F#cking the students in High
school. The bar has to be somewhere so in the USA it's been set
at 18.
Not sure who all those men are, but the ones on this thread who post on the other forum are Ade, Muzh, patagonie, and Rasputin. BC posts on both forums as well (though he hasn't posted on this thread).
The others posting here make occasional appearances, but post far more here, or don't post at the other forum at all.
Many names where given up
QuoteMany names where given up
I wouldn't put too much stock in the opinions of those who, even on a largely anonymous internet forum, don't have the cojones to post their opinions openly.
Yep,
25 year age gap,she was 18 when they met.A big no no for the "experts" on here.
They met at a AFA social.Another big no no for the "experts" on here.
Well,they've been married 5 years now,and seem happy enough together,so i guess miracles can happen. :)
Mark does actually participate on the other main forum.
Justmd, sorry but I don't get your point. No sarcasm, maybe I just missed something, but why were you quoting Chelseaboy.
Words from the first page of this TR...not mine but his.
Seems a backlash is brewing on this forum, I have received 11 PM's since last evening and all have grown tired of the same group of guys who post here and on other forums...so these men are on multiple forums of the same subject...interesting.
I'm happy to see there was no misunderstanding, I meant to discredit and insult you... as I would for any 50+ year old man who comes here saying girls in the late teens-early 20's are the age group that attracts him and tries to justify why he should write to them. If you think that should be socially acceptable and get pissed off when I disagree and state my disgust then I guess that's your own personal problem.
Mother Nature created the male of our species to be attracted to women of fertile childbearing age. To deny such an attraction exists in every man is foolhearty. It's why my wife doesn't get angry when I happen to look when a pretty young girl walks by me on the street.
However most men of a certain age have the maturity and sound judgement NOT to act on those natural impulses, or to channel them in a more acceptable manner or outlet.
From what i understand,unless it's all hype,if she had done,there is a pretty good chance her young Ukrainian husband would now be chasing other young women.
I'm happy to see there was no misunderstanding, I meant to discredit and insult you... as I would for any 50+ year old man who comes here saying girls in the late teens-early 20's are the age group that attracts him and tries to justify why he should write to them. If you think that should be socially acceptable and get pissed off when I disagree and state my disgust then I guess that's your own personal problem.
You started this thread using Marks case as justification for writing to girls about 18-20 years old.
Then if you look at your post I quoted you state that this is the age group you are attracted to. You never mentioned older women attracting you, just the young ones.
I've read your previous threads about your experiences with women who were in their 30's and it didn't go well for you.
You even stated that you are giving up on your FSU search and looking for someone at home.
Then you post this thread showing interest in young FSU girls and the first thing I think is WHY???
Is he trying another age group because he failed with the 30 year olds?
Is he picking young girls who hardly have any life experience because they are more impressionable than older girls?
That is the part that really turned my stomach and made me write what I did. If you think I'm an asshole for that then I guess I am.
I see in your last post you are talking exact opposite of how you started this thread. That you read what Mark said about the situation and agree with the experts now and would never consider such a big age difference. That eases my concerns about you a bit but I still can't help but wonder why you would even start a thread like this looking into the viability of writing such young girls in the first place.
Yea
The "experts" wanted to teach me about age difference. Should I avoid writing to young girls just because the doctors say so? Why not try your luck with the age group you are attracted to just because they say it won't work?
Those certain people that are trying to make a problem out of Mark marrying Anna,because of her age,and the large age-gap,need to get off their soap-box and maybe ask Anna if SHE is happy.
Do those same people think she should have married a local guy around her own age instead ?
From what i understand,unless it's all hype,if she had done,there is a pretty good chance her young Ukrainian husband would now be chasing other young women.
Seems to me she made a good choice in Mark. :-X
Sharon, you are very difficult to understand. This was your second post on this thread.Yea
The "experts" wanted to teach me about age difference. Should I avoid writing to young girls just because the doctors say so? Why not try your luck with the age group you are attracted to just because they say it won't work?
Then you got upset because an "expert" called you on it.
If this is not what you meant, you are sending the wrong signals.
Sharon, you are very difficult to understand. This was your second post on this thread.Yea
The "experts" wanted to teach me about age difference. Should I avoid writing to young girls just because the doctors say so? Why not try your luck with the age group you are attracted to just because they say it won't work?
Then you got upset because an "expert" called you on it.
If this is not what you meant, you are sending the wrong signals.
Because I can't have it. Also I have the right to change my mind if I realized that certain approach does not work for me. I might be accused by sending wrong signals but not for being "hard ass". I will let you decide to what quote you would like to believe. You can believe to both. Many people have contradictions. Some are better in hiding them.
I haven't looked at their website,so are you saying that they state that WM should marry much younger UW ?
If so Mark contradicts himself,because he has stated on this forum that WM shouldn't be looking to marry much younger UW,and that his marriage is an exception rather than the rule.
He states that on post 27 on this thread,his first posting,so i'm not wrong.Seems like you are.
Hey, I have no problems whatsoever. As long as I know you'll change directions faster that a weathervane, we'll be fine.
"Yep,
25 year age gap,she was 18 when they met.A big no no for the "experts" on here.
They met at a AFA social.Another big no no for the "experts" on here.
Well,they've been married 5 years now,and seem happy enough together,so i guess miracles can happen. :)
Mark does actually participate on the other main forum."
Words from the first page of this TR...not mine but his.
Seems a backlash is brewing on this forum, I have received 11 PM's since last evening and all have grown tired of the same group of guys who post here and on other forums...so these men are on multiple forums of the same subject...interesting.
sharon, no one has posted this, I think, but you are not going to have an easy time of finding a UW because very few would be open to living in Israel.
... But several women from Ukraine and Russia wrote me, and living in Israel was not an issue.
Several argument's in this thread -
Cradle Snatching
Almost impossible to justify. Marriage to teenagers is extremely risky. They have not grown up yet. Never known ANY commercial operation which recommended this. Impossible in UK minimum age for fiance visa is 21. Also tainted by arranged marriage scams.
sharon, no one has posted this, I think, but you are not going to have an easy time of finding a UW because very few would be open to living in Israel.
True enough. However, if 99/100 are not receptive to moving, shouldn't one consider a different approach that ups the odds?
In the past few years, Israel has seen an average of between five and six thousand Russian immigrants per year.
"I feel much better here than I did in Russia," Garshina said. She believes the low number of new immigrants from Russia may have something to do with the way that Israel is represented back in Russia. "People think it's a war zone where people are killing each other on the streets. My friends thought I was moving to the end of the world, where I would be in danger at every second."
... But several women from Ukraine and Russia wrote me, and living in Israel was not an issue.
You should pay more attention to a woman, such as Halo, who has no motive to mislead you, than to Internet correspondents who might have an agenda.
I don't believe the women who told you that living in Israel was not an issue
but I don't have time to list every possible motivation that a woman might have for lying to you.
sharon, no one has posted this, I think, but you are not going to have an easy time of finding a UW because very few would be open to living in Israel.
sharon, no one has posted this, I think, but you are not going to have an easy time of finding a UW because very few would be open to living in Israel.
I don't have time to list every possible motivation that a woman might have for lying to you.
No women ever refer to this issue. No woman told me otherwise.
sharon, no one has posted this, I think, but you are not going to have an easy time of finding a UW because very few would be open to living in Israel.
I met a few UA girls all within a month and they all like Israel. One married some Israeli guy and moved there. One visits regularly,and the other dreamed of moving there after visiting. Personally I think they're all fuct, but wadda I know.
QuoteI don't have time to list every possible motivation that a woman might have for lying to you.
I think that this issue is important enough to open new topic: "possible motivation for a woman for lying to you".
There are things that are obvious to you and to other members here. But I haven't raised up with the natural understanding of lying. For me there are two options: the woman is interested or not interested. Showing interest while she is not - I don't understand by nature. I will try if somebody explain this to me scientifically.
No women ever refer to this issue. No woman told me otherwise.
The picture has become clear: you assumed that the absence of discussion about the issue of moving to Israel meant that they were all happy to immigrate. Judging by the results, their happiness was exaggerated.
Read all the posts you've made here. You might understand then.
Tom. I'm waiting to your REAL contribution for the subject, to list some motivations for a woman for lying...please. Take your time if needed.
Sharon, over the time you have been posting on this forum I got impression that you dismiss without consideration any information/advice that takes you out of comfort of your own desires and hold tight to anything that would keep fantasy fueled. Someone may view it as optimism and positive thinking; and someone as a blindness and refusal to accept reality.
I concur what Halo saidsharon, no one has posted this, I think, but you are not going to have an easy time of finding a UW because very few would be open to living in Israel.
No one said you wont be able to find, just it wont be piece of cake. You holding tight to fantasy that moving to Israel not less desirable then to lets say USA or Britain just because no women on dating sites ever referred to this issue. Just think about it for a minute!
Tom. I'm waiting to your REAL contribution for the subject, to list some motivations for a woman for lying...please. Take your time if needed.
A women might pretend that she has interest to preserve her options... until she determines whether her correspondent is intelligent or stupid, sane or deranged, wealthy or poor.
Oh lets just look at some very obvious example
I am 20+something, attractive, no kids, live in Ukraine. I may consider marriage for serious if the right candidate* comes along ... in the mean time I like to keep few international boyfriends that believe one day I marry them, send me regularly expensive gift and take me few times a year on vacations.
right candidate* - 30+something, attractive, no kids, lives in Switzerland, owns mansion+holiday home+few cars+boat, have well paid job, smart.
P.S. Sharon, just use imagination.
Oh lets just look at some very obvious exampleSurely not JC. :ROFL:
I am 20+something, attractive, no kids, live in Ukraine. I may consider marriage for serious if the right candidate* comes along ... in the mean time I like to keep few international boyfriends that believe one day I marry them, send me regularly expensive gift and take me few times a year on vacations.
right candidate* - 30+something, attractive, no kids, lives in Switzerland, owns mansion+holiday home+few cars+boat, have well paid job, smart.
P.S. Sharon, just use imagination.
If so, what is their motivation to write with me anyway?
Oh lets just look at some very obvious example
I am 20+something, attractive, no kids, live in Ukraine. I may consider marriage for serious if the right candidate* comes along ... in the mean time I like to keep few international boyfriends that believe one day I marry them, send me regularly expensive gift and take me few times a year on vacations.
right candidate* - 30+something, attractive, no kids, lives in Switzerland, owns mansion+holiday home+few cars+boat, have well paid job, smart.
P.S. Sharon, just use imagination.
Oh, not for me :sick0012:
QuoteRead all the posts you've made here. You might understand then.
???
I might understand what?
If so, what is their motivation to write with me anyway?
I don't say this is for women but, when someone shows that it takes them a long time to grasp the main idea, they tend to become targets.
The slower the level of comprehension, the higher the risk of being taken to the cleaners.
Try to figure that one out. Feel free to ask questions.
Oh lets just look at some very obvious example
I am 20+something, attractive, no kids, live in Ukraine. I may consider marriage for serious if the right candidate* comes along ... in the mean time I like to keep few international boyfriends that believe one day I marry them, send me regularly expensive gift and take me few times a year on vacations.
right candidate* - 30+something, attractive, no kids, lives in Switzerland, owns mansion+holiday home+few cars+boat, have well paid job, smart.
P.S. Sharon, just use imagination.
Oh, not for me :sick0012:
Why not for you? You seems to did not understand that I will not be so honest with those boyfriends; they will believe I love them and want to marry them; I dont mind from what country they are from as far as financially those relationships will benefit me; you are easily could be one of them :biggrin:
P.S. I can write more convincing love letters then those you have been posting on this forum
I am stupid asshole then...
Have you been in Israel miss A? It won't be piece of cake because: 1, I live in Israel (which is not desirable destination for FSU women, according to general opinion here) or 2, it's not easy anyway, regardless to the place you live?
Because I wouldn't think to have a girl that these are her requirements. And if the girl is not so honest why should I invest time and energy on her?
Sharon, the requirements listed fot right husband candidate never will be known to boyfriends :'(
And dont take offence but true is you have serious problems with distinguish dishonest girl from honest (or either of those from purple elephant).
watching news
reading and listening various opinions from people we know.
Because I wouldn't think to have a girl that these are her requirements. And if the girl is not so honest why should I invest time and energy on her?
Sharon, the requirements listed fot right husband candidate never will be known to boyfriends :'(
And dont take offence but true is you have serious problems with distinguish dishonest girl from honest (or either of those from purple elephant).
Quotewatching news
It's not a good idea to form opinion from the media.Quotereading and listening various opinions from people we know.
Better from people who have been there. A friend of mine had seen lots of tourist from Kiev in vacation resort in the Dead Sea. The best source to ask for forming opinion.
Sigh,
Sharon could find a FSUW more than happy to move to Israel.
What he won't find is a twenty year old girl who is willing to do this
without some nefarious agenda that involves draining his bank account and
the selling of his organs.
Here is one absolute fact that you can take to the bank.
Zero sexy, attractive 20 year old legit non scammer FSUW ever wrote a letter to you or to me.
I got letters all right but 100% of the time it was a scheme to separate me from some of my money.
Want some advice that actually works?
1. Search for women who are Jewish
2. Search the entire world leave no stone unturned
3. NEVER EVER GO ON A PAY BY THE LETTER SITE
4. This is a numbers game. Write lots of letters
5. Expand your search to girls who are older
Hot non scamming 20 year old FSUW do NOT write initial letters to men.
Hot non scamming 20 year old FSUW do NOT write initial letters to men.
Hot non scamming 20 year old FSUW do NOT write initial letters to men.
They don't do it, they don't need to. It's not part of FSUW culture
to write initial letters to men. The only ones who write initial letters
are ones who don't otherwise get any attention from men.
Udachi !
Bill
A friend of mine had seen lots of tourist from Kiev in vacation resort in the Dead Sea. The best source to ask for forming opinion.Sadly common life is different from vacation time in the Dead Sea... I know (and talk with) few Jews relocating to Israel and still living there ... nobody from them recommend Israel to be the best place for living, just an entrepot.
Sharon, again missing the point. If I (put here name of any FSUW on dating site) am interested to go for holiday to Israel I will ask opinion of those who visited "resort in the Dead Sea". If we talking about marrying and relocating to Israel at no circumstances I will dismiss information about country on the news.
Who is the "boyfriend" in our story miss A?
Oh lets just look at some very obvious example
I am 20+something, attractive, no kids, live in Ukraine. I may consider marriage for serious if the right candidate* comes along ... in the mean time I like to keep few international boyfriends that believe one day I marry them, send me regularly expensive gift and take me few times a year on vacations.
right candidate* - 30+something, attractive, no kids, lives in Switzerland, owns mansion+holiday home+few cars+boat, have well paid job, smart.
P.S. Sharon, just use imagination.
A friend of mine had seen lots of tourist from Kiev in vacation resort in the Dead Sea. The best source to ask for forming opinion.Sadly common life is different from vacation time in the Dead Sea... I know (and talk with) few Jews relocating to Israel and still living there ... nobody from them recommend Israel to be the best place for living, just an entrepot.
Who is the "boyfriend" in our story miss A?Oh lets just look at some very obvious example
I am 20+something, attractive, no kids, live in Ukraine. I may consider marriage for serious if the right candidate* comes along ... in the mean time I like to keep few international boyfriends that believe one day I marry them, send me regularly expensive gift and take me few times a year on vacations.
right candidate* - 30+something, attractive, no kids, lives in Switzerland, owns mansion+holiday home+few cars+boat, have well paid job, smart.
P.S. Sharon, just use imagination.
Sharon, its getting really silly now. Conversation started from why would women on international dating site lie ... I gave you one example; you could be one of those boyfriends that will be used but never considered as right husband candidate, country wont be issue what so ever and conversations will never bring the issues with relocating to Israel. There many other examples could be.
Point: women do lie on dating sites; not all but from what you posted on this forum looks like you interested in those that lie to you a lot. Honest woman would bring the issues of relocating to Israel, ask lots of questions about country; girls that interested in your wallet have no interest of talking about "issues"
MissA, you should get an award for perseverance :nod:
Got the idea missA. Thanks :)
MissA, you should get an award for perseverance :nod:
not for long... packing luggage already >>> relocating to Canuckistan ;DA friend of mine had seen lots of tourist from Kiev in vacation resort in the Dead Sea. The best source to ask for forming opinion.Sadly common life is different from vacation time in the Dead Sea... I know (and talk with) few Jews relocating to Israel and still living there ... nobody from them recommend Israel to be the best place for living, just an entrepot.
Millaa. It will be interesting to know what were their complaints about living in Israel. And if so, why are they still live there?
not for long... packing luggage already >>> relocating to Canuckistan ;DA friend of mine had seen lots of tourist from Kiev in vacation resort in the Dead Sea. The best source to ask for forming opinion.Sadly common life is different from vacation time in the Dead Sea... I know (and talk with) few Jews relocating to Israel and still living there ... nobody from them recommend Israel to be the best place for living, just an entrepot.
Millaa. It will be interesting to know what were their complaints about living in Israel. And if so, why are they still live there?
they are from Haifa ... try to refresh ur memmory about 2006... :smokin:
Do you mean such girls who are hopping on your avatar?
sharon, no one has posted this, I think, but you are not going to have an easy time of finding a UW because very few would be open to living in Israel.
I met a few UA girls all within a month and they all like Israel. One married some Israeli guy and moved there. One visits regularly,and the other dreamed of moving there after visiting. Personally I think they're all fuct, but wadda I know.
Exactly Don. What do you know? They have been in Israel and you haven't. So on what do you base you opinion?
I wish you all the best. tiphat
Yep,
25 year age gap,she was 18 when they met.A big no no for the "experts" on here.
They met at a AFA social.Another big no no for the "experts" on here.
Well,they've been married 5 years now,and seem happy enough together,so i guess miracles can happen. :)
Mark does actually participate on the other main forum.
I wish that I had a dollar for every member who has claimed a groundswell of support, through the PM system, from their imaginary friends.
For those people who are interested in such things, this is a variation of "appeal to widespread belief." People who employ this fallacy attempt to make their case by indicating that it must be true because many people believe that it is. Nevermind that the majority of people once believed that the Earth was flat or that one could not contract HIV from a heterosexual...
p.s.
Don't mind me; I'm just jealous because I have fewer imaginary friends.
p.s.
I have not seen p.s. used since passing notes to girls in high school. tiphat
Justmd, why the hell are you wasting time talking to your girl about things on here? :drunk:
This place can be very toxic to a relationship.
p.s.
I have not seen p.s. used since passing notes to girls in high school. tiphat
I hope there wasn't a big age gap.
:laugh: No, was a sophomore in high school.
:laugh: No, was a sophomore in high school.
I'm sorry but I only speak English. :(
Nice copy paste from::laugh: No, was a sophomore in high school.
I'm sorry but I only speak English. :(
Sophomore is a term to describe a student in the second year of study at high school or university. It is used primarily in the United States.
Well...she just called me and we are talking about this...stupid men is all she would say.
It's folly to hide behind your girl and post derogatory comments by proxy in her name (if even true). If you open that door it can get messy if a member responds in kind.
Still waiting on that link...I make no excuses on being a hard ass on certain subjects, fact is I do not abide by with a man promoting the fact his wife was 17 when they first meet, yes it was mentioned here so clearly!! and find it strange he has not commented back to clarify this...So now I ask him to do so.Link me to the quote/message/post where "it was mentioned here so clearly".
Brass
Nice copy paste from::laugh: No, was a sophomore in high school.
I'm sorry but I only speak English. :(
Sophomore is a term to describe a student in the second year of study at high school or university. It is used primarily in the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophomore
:chuckle:
Sorry, I couldn't resist. It's dark thirty so I know you are drinking tequila as usual. :chuckle:Nice copy paste from::laugh: No, was a sophomore in high school.
I'm sorry but I only speak English. :(
Sophomore is a term to describe a student in the second year of study at high school or university. It is used primarily in the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophomore
:chuckle:
Your point is? wtf
Sorry, I couldn't resist. It's dark thirty so I know you are drinking tequila as usual. :chuckle:Nice copy paste from::laugh: No, was a sophomore in high school.
I'm sorry but I only speak English. :(
Sophomore is a term to describe a student in the second year of study at high school or university. It is used primarily in the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophomore
:chuckle:
Your point is? wtf
LOL, I don't normally use that term, just something I heard a few times.Sorry, I couldn't resist. It's dark thirty so I know you are drinking tequila as usual. :chuckle:Nice copy paste from::laugh: No, was a sophomore in high school.
I'm sorry but I only speak English. :(
Sophomore is a term to describe a student in the second year of study at high school or university. It is used primarily in the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophomore
:chuckle:
Your point is? wtf
ok, that was different. "It's dark thirty" may I ask your age?
LOL, I don't normally use that term, just something I heard a few times.
Sure, you can ask, but my age is an unlisted number. :biggrin:
But I am probably half a century younger than Tom. :laugh:
Nicknick and TomCat,
I think what we're dealing with here is Mark not realizing that accuracy counts when conveying information to members on a forum such as ours. In otherwords, what we have here is a failure to communicate.
Let's just get right to it and link an interview dated Jan of this year and listen to Anna explain the timeline in her own words...
I'll convey this though, Mark should be aware that timelines do become important in significant age gap marriages especially when ones bride is/was Anna's age. He runs an agency. He is a service provider. There are those that would seek to discredit him or misconstrue what he's written/posted/talked of and those that could genuinely and in good conscience arrive at a misunderstanding if questioning such a timeline. As an SP he needs to ensure that ambiguous language regarding himself, his business and his own marriage is kept to a minimum.
When Mark first arrived I did what I normally do with commercial members and conducted an internet search to see what's what and did raise an eyebrow at one or two minor variations (based on several sources-internet vids, book review(s), converstaion on forums etc.) of dates and ages. However, I've come to the conclusion based on their individual webcasts, youtube vids, nationally broadcast interviews and written word that they are consistant and appear truthful when they relate the history of how they met and how old they were/are.
I was aware of the post you've both cited and was looking to see if our self described Mr. HardA$$ was even cognizant and capable of articulating what exactly he was accusing Mark of and inviting him to clarify besides posting beligerent comments.
Good comments, you guys.
Brass
LOL, I don't normally use that term, just something I heard a few times.Sorry, I couldn't resist. It's dark thirty so I know you are drinking tequila as usual. :chuckle:Nice copy paste from::laugh: No, was a sophomore in high school.
I'm sorry but I only speak English. :(
Sophomore is a term to describe a student in the second year of study at high school or university. It is used primarily in the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophomore
:chuckle:
Your point is? wtf
ok, that was different. "It's dark thirty" may I ask your age?
Sure, you can ask, but my age is an unlisted number. :biggrin:
But I am probably half a century younger than Tom. :laugh:
LOL, I don't normally use that term, just something I heard a few times.
Sure, you can ask, but my age is an unlisted number. :biggrin:
But I am probably half a century younger than Tom. :laugh:
You knew that J couldn't possibly have written that definition of "sophomore" by himself. That's a good call for someone who is only 13.
Thanks :laugh:LOL, I don't normally use that term, just something I heard a few times.
Sure, you can ask, but my age is an unlisted number. :biggrin:
But I am probably half a century younger than Tom. :laugh:
You knew that J couldn't possibly have written that definition of "sophomore" by himself. That's a good call for someone who is only 13.
You seem to prove my point with every one of your comments. I have this thought when reading your postings that if you smiled your face would crack.
p.s.
I have not seen p.s. used since passing notes to girls in high school.
Thanks :laugh:LOL, I don't normally use that term, just something I heard a few times.
Sure, you can ask, but my age is an unlisted number. :biggrin:
But I am probably half a century younger than Tom. :laugh:
You knew that J couldn't possibly have written that definition of "sophomore" by himself. That's a good call for someone who is only 13.
Again, you keep making this so easy...
Sorry If I hurt your feelings and will remember this in the future but Mr. Davis has yet to articulate or clarify himself? again I will try to refrain from being such a harda$$ or beligerent.
I will try to refrain from being such a harda$$ or beligerent.
Yep,
25 year age gap,she was 18 when they met.A big no no for the "experts" on here.
They met at a AFA social.Another big no no for the "experts" on here.
Well,they've been married 5 years now,and seem happy enough together,so i guess miracles can happen. :)
Mark does actually participate on the other main forum.
I was trying to leave this man's name out of it....but this is the posting.
Derogatory comments about what,older men who pursue young girls? I don't hide behind Marina as she knows I am the type who will say what I think and not care what others will say...with the exception of her.
...Today I read some of the comments posted here to Marina, she said she hopes these men do not find her country.
sharon, no one has posted this, I think, but you are not going to have an easy time of finding a UW because very few would be open to living in Israel.
I met a few UA girls all within a month and they all like Israel. One married some Israeli guy and moved there. One visits regularly,and the other dreamed of moving there after visiting. Personally I think they're all fuct, but wadda I know.
Exactly Don. What do you know? They have been in Israel and you haven't. So on what do you base you opinion?
I base my opinion on uhhh well lets see.... A foreign policy that refuses to accept international borders. Routinely invades its neighours,takes back land they feel is theirsto build new settlements on lands they are not suppose to. Has a little guy in Iran that wants to wipe the country clean.
Bombings, being on the receiving end of rouge missiles. Shit ya even have managed to anger the USA your only true supporter. Ohh but wait, you guys buy the military thingys from them, so they kinda need to be there for you. Not to mention all the Jews who have lots of influence in America, and I suppose even the lobby groups... America wouldn't be what it is without those beacons of hope and reality. :-\
Sharron I'm sure the country is nice visually... well if your not staring at the 10 metre barrier wall. But with all its problems its hardly the place most wish to live. The stupid religious indifference's you have with your neighbours,and they with you is never going to subside.
And to someone who lives in a great country such as Canada, heading to live in Israel is so very far down the list. Now to a girl who has struggled, and seen her parents struggle with life in the FSU, Israel may seem like a beautiful haven.
You just need to keep in mind that you are competing with better, safer, and far more stable countries. Toss in an age gap and you've increased the unlikelyhood of success.
I have not read very many of your posts, but what ever road you go down I wish you all the best. tiphat
A foreign policy that refuses to accept international borders
Routinely invades its neighours, to build new settlements on lands they are not suppose to.
Has a little guy in Iran that wants to wipe the country clean.
Bombings, being on the receiving end of rouge missiles.
Shit ya even have managed to anger the USA your only true supporter.
Ohh but wait, you guys buy the military thingys from them, so they kinda need to be there for you. Not to mention all the Jews who have lots of influence in America, and I suppose even the lobby groups... America wouldn't be what it is without those beacons of hope and reality. :-\
Sharron I'm sure the country is nice visually... well if your not staring at the 10 metre barrier wall.
But with all its problems its hardly the place most wish to live.
The stupid religious indifference's you have with your neighbours,and they with you is never going to subside.
And to someone who lives in a great country such as Canada, heading to live in Israel is so very far down the list.
Now to a girl who has struggled, and seen her parents struggle with life in the FSU, Israel may seem like a beautiful haven.
You just need to keep in mind that you are competing with better, safer, and far more stable countries. Toss in an age gap and you've increased the unlikelyhood of success.
I have not read very many of your posts, but what ever road you go down I wish you all the best. tiphat
Most of us have an opinion on just about everything. I suspect the direction of this thread will go south or ballistic and it does nothing for RUA as a whole.
Most of us have an opinion on just about everything. I suspect the direction of this thread will go south or ballistic and it does nothing for RUA as a whole.
The other discussion on this thread about Mask & Anna and age gaps is no longer interesting for me.
Most of us have an opinion on just about everything. I suspect the direction of this thread will go south or ballistic and it does nothing for RUA as a whole.
The other discussion on this thread about Mask & Anna and age gaps is no longer interesting for me.
I suspect we have now have Sterlin#2 :chuckle:
Perhaps the moderators could delete those posts referring to #315 and further on that subject.
Or perhaps the moderators just want some work. :hidechair:
Perhaps the moderators could delete those posts referring to #315 and further on that subject.
Sorry If I hurt your feelings and will remember this in the future but Mr. Davis has yet to articulate or clarify himself? again I will try to refrain from being such a harda$$ or beligerent.
You overestimate yourself. Other than identifying and pointing out your proclivity towards fantasizing about violent encounters and posting untruthful statements on this forum you're not important enough to influence my feelings one way or the other.
Your assertion has already been shown to be incorrect. Mark has nothing to clarify. All that remains is for you to withdraw your untruthful statement and/or apologize.QuoteI will try to refrain from being such a harda$$ or beligerent.
Again you overestimate yourself. The term "Hardass" usually denotes 'tough but fair'. You are neither.
Absolutely do try and refrain from posting beligerent comments. Infact, for the future I'm going to insist on it.
Brass
Yep,
25 year age gap,she was 18 when they met.A big no no for the "experts" on here.
They met at a AFA social.Another big no no for the "experts" on here.
Well,they've been married 5 years now,and seem happy enough together,so i guess miracles can happen. :)
Mark does actually participate on the other main forum.
I was trying to leave this man's name out of it....but this is the posting.
OK I am a simpleton so please clear this up. Chelseaboy is a screen name of a member who made a post. All members know when posting they may be quoted. How exactly is that pulling a "man's name" into anything?
You stated that Anna was 17 when they met. This post says 18.
Are you talking about something completely different or making some other point?
Brass,
So you will hold others up to this same standard as well as me and you will also be held accountable to your words?
sharon, no one has posted this, I think, but you are not going to have an easy time of finding a UW because very few would be open to living in Israel.
Brass,
So you will hold others up to this same standard as well as me and you will also be held accountable to your words?
You are under the mistaken impression we are negotiating, we're not. Nevermind the others and pay attention to your own conduct and messages.
Conduct and messages includes posting off topic quotes/links etc. in order to derail a topic.
Brass
Now that is very simple. It is like; when a not so beautiful girl seems to not like a very beautiful girl. They are just jealous, like silly girls. :nod:Brass,
So you will hold others up to this same standard as well as me and you will also be held accountable to your words?
You are under the mistaken impression we are negotiating, we're not. Nevermind the others and pay attention to your own conduct and messages.
Conduct and messages includes posting off topic quotes/links etc. in order to derail a topic.
Brass
But this one was not removed...from you? Maybe this forum should be renamed Why Men from Canada dislike Americans?
Brass,
So you will hold others up to this same standard as well as me and you will also be held accountable to your words?
You are under the mistaken impression we are negotiating, we're not. Nevermind the others and pay attention to your own conduct and messages.
Conduct and messages includes posting off topic quotes/links etc. in order to derail a topic.
Brass
But this one was not removed...from you? Maybe this forum should be renamed Why Men from Canada dislike Americans?
But this one was not removed...from you? Maybe this forum should be renamed Why Men from Canada dislike Americans?
QuoteBut this one was not removed...from you? Maybe this forum should be renamed Why Men from Canada dislike Americans?
I don't believe Brass dislikes Americans. I'm one American to whom he has always been helpful and kind.
QuoteBut this one was not removed...from you? Maybe this forum should be renamed Why Men from Canada dislike Americans?
I don't believe Brass dislikes Americans. I'm one American to whom he has always been helpful and kind.
Brass has been accused of liking Americans too much in other threads.
Mods can't win but we need guys who will make the tough decisions and
Brass can do that.
Brass,
7039 postings and your status is looking...then you want to tell me about my girlfriend?
Brass,
7039 postings and your status is looking...then you want to tell me about my girlfriend?
Is lack of tact a national American trait or Justyourpersonalfeature?
Is lack of tact a national American trait... ?
Yep,
25 year age gap,she was 18 when they met.A big no no for the "experts" on here.
They met at a AFA social.Another big no no for the "experts" on here.
Well,they've been married 5 years now,and seem happy enough together,so i guess miracles can happen. :)
Mark does actually participate on the other main forum.
I was trying to leave this man's name out of it....but this is the posting.
OK I am a simpleton so please clear this up. Chelseaboy is a screen name of a member who made a post. All members know when posting they may be quoted. How exactly is that pulling a "man's name" into anything?
You stated that Anna was 17 when they met. This post says 18.
Are you talking about something completely different or making some other point?
When you find time between laundry loads......
Brass,
7039 postings and your status is looking...then you want to tell me about my girlfriend?
But this one was not removed...from you? Maybe this forum should be renamed Why Men from Canada dislike Americans?
Marriage between two people with 50 year age difference has occurred. While not widespread, it HAS occurred.
Do not believe everything that you read online (even from degreed or "deranged" professionals). :king: :ROFL:
PM reply from a member here "People from other countries don't give a damn what YOU think that the norm should be because they are sick to death of the U.S. trying to impose their standards on the rest of the world "
In the future I promise not to impose my standards on the rest of the world, as long as it does not involve a 50 year old man chasing after a 18 year old girl. tiphat
I leave tomorrow evening to spend 10 days with the best lady and mother I have met.
PM reply from a member here "People from other countries don't give a damn what YOU think that the norm should be because they are sick to death of the U.S. trying to impose their standards on the rest of the world "
In the future I promise not to impose my standards on the rest of the world, as long as it does not involve a 50 year old man chasing after a 18 year old girl. tiphat
I leave tomorrow evening to spend 10 days with the best lady and mother I have met.
Okay, so what about a 50 year old man chasing a 19 year old woman, is that okay? :laugh:
PM reply from a member here "People from other countries don't give a damn what YOU think that the norm should be because they are sick to death of the U.S. trying to impose their standards on the rest of the world "
In the future I promise not to impose my standards on the rest of the world, as long as it does not involve a 50 year old man chasing after a 18 year old girl. tiphat
I leave tomorrow evening to spend 10 days with the best lady and mother I have met.
Okay, so what about a 50 year old man chasing a 19 year old woman, is that okay? :laugh:
If the 19yr old woman wants the 50yr old man to catch her, she will slow down, if he ends up bedding her, good boy, well done... :ROFL: