Nazis in Ukraine - Denazification.

[AJ]

China had labs.

We funded research.

Is that jumping to us funding bio warfare in a Chinese lab?

Would that make sense?

At least it would be far far more lack.of it's secret being compromised  than Ukraine .

AJ, I've been thinking about this for awhile now and I'm on the fence about my opinion. Suppose you lab's purpose is biodefense. How do you go about doing that research without anticipating a type of bioweapon and tying to recreate it? I don't know. That stuff was above my pay grade.

 I grant anything* could be true.

When these accusations broke various *secret labs locations where revealed *.

But the irony is none of those brought up as evidence where ever secret. The contractors ugrading them announced getting awarded the contract on their very public website at the time. I posted it here or on a similar board.


So could there be in Ukraine? Sure
There also could* be those rumored trained golubchik (pigeons) to deliver the  (slav) only virus . Lol

My take on the labs was formed from.the evidence provided initially being bogas.
The fact many of the claimed  labs were also mostly agriculture based which made sense in a high ag country ,
The shock and awe the press gets for mentioning something that common and found every  most where.
They never distinguished security levels just , omg!!! biolabs found!! Like any tabloid is proud to.
That
Coupled with zero real evidence of anything  with  security levels a biowarfare would have.
And if found * would absolutely be presented! But nothing was.

It just never rang true from.day one,by day 3 orv4 the bulk of it was debunked ,but if you throw stuff at the wall.long enough something sticks. .

Amusingly I predicted back  then that.soon they would claim dirty nuke labs were found using power plant fuel
(ridiculous )
And right on que a few days later that claim.was made with zero evidence.

Then the chemical warfare claims came etc etc ad nauseum.

Nazis!!! Biolabs!  Dirty Nukes!  Chemical weapons. .
The best hot topics to.elicit responce and press  headlines to aid in deflection from.that one  very uncomfortable word dominating the headlines then ;
INVASION !!!!
 And that tag   word - Russia

A word and accusation that had actual evidence readily apparent to anyone.

So anything to change that to

*X found in UKRIANE *!!!!!
* Y found UKRAINE*
The propaganda making on Russia is not subtle ,and doesn't need to be.

Watch their 60 minute show for a full episode. 🤷‍♂️


To be fair
the.western.propanganda was in full swing also, leaving no dead pregnant woman.or injured  baby unturned. 
Regardless if they verified anything at all about the.story.

 You see russia 1 last night?

Reporting the usa will use nuclear weapons on Russia.

 Not might, not its a possibility,not the usa threatens to (they.havnt)
but  instead the proclamation that  they will
 So..
They must act now !

On state funded and controlled  TV.

Our own MSM is just as bad,but to.their credit Russia regularly during this has alluded to the ultimate escalation.


Its like the press in both sides is looking way past public support and right to igniting a world war.

So the real question is why?
Is it for ratings?
Does ad copy go up that much with sensationalized over the top war news?


It's just sad.
Pathetic really

And civilians always pay for it dearly.

[WestCoast]

General Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff says if Russia gets away with war on Ukraine 'cost-free,' then 'so goes' international order.

My question is what cost can be applied to Russia to compensate Ukraine and the countries that have aided Ukraine? Yes there are probably more sanctions that could be put on Russia but how much help would those sanctions be? Would they prevent Putin from invading Ukraine again? Putin's never going to be tried for crimes against humanity nor are any of his advisors and generals. Neither the US or NATO are going to invade Russia unless Russia invades a NATO country or launches nukes.

So what cost can the world place on Russia that will make sure it doesn't invade Ukraine again or invade other countries?


https://ca.yahoo.com/news/gen-mark-milley-russia-gets-181113236.html

[Lon]

sky news utube
Defense Analyst Professor Michael Clarke discussing the changing tactics

[andrew99]

China had labs.

We funded research.

Is that jumping to us funding bio warfare in a Chinese lab?

Would that make sense?

At least it would be far far more lack.of it's secret being compromised  than Ukraine .

AJ, I've been thinking about this for awhile now and I'm on the fence about my opinion. Suppose you lab's purpose is biodefense. How do you go about doing that research without anticipating a type of bioweapon and tying to recreate it? I don't know. That stuff was above my pay grade.

 I grant anything* could be true.

When these accusations broke various *secret labs locations where revealed *.

But the irony is none of those brought up as evidence where ever secret. The contractors ugrading them announced getting awarded the contract on their very public website at the time. I posted it here or on a similar board.


So could there be in Ukraine? Sure
There also could* be those rumored trained golubchik (pigeons) to deliver the  (slav) only virus . Lol

My take on the labs was formed from.the evidence provided initially being bogas.
The fact many of the claimed  labs were also mostly agriculture based which made sense in a high ag country ,
The shock and awe the press gets for mentioning something that common and found every  most where.
They never distinguished security levels just , omg!!! biolabs found!! Like any tabloid is proud to.
That
Coupled with zero real evidence of anything  with  security levels a biowarfare would have.
And if found * would absolutely be presented! But nothing was.

It just never rang true from.day one,by day 3 orv4 the bulk of it was debunked ,but if you throw stuff at the wall.long enough something sticks. .

Amusingly I predicted back  then that.soon they would claim dirty nuke labs were found using power plant fuel
(ridiculous )
And right on que a few days later that claim.was made with zero evidence.

Then the chemical warfare claims came etc etc ad nauseum.

Nazis!!! Biolabs!  Dirty Nukes!  Chemical weapons. .
The best hot topics to.elicit responce and press  headlines to aid in deflection from.that one  very uncomfortable word dominating the headlines then ;
INVASION !!!!
 And that tag   word - Russia

A word and accusation that had actual evidence readily apparent to anyone.

So anything to change that to

*X found in UKRIANE *!!!!!
* Y found UKRAINE*
The propaganda making on Russia is not subtle ,and doesn't need to be.

Watch their 60 minute show for a full episode. 🤷‍♂️


To be fair
the.western.propanganda was in full swing also, leaving no dead pregnant woman.or injured  baby unturned. 
Regardless if they verified anything at all about the.story.

 You see russia 1 last night?

Reporting the usa will use nuclear weapons on Russia.

 Not might, not its a possibility,not the usa threatens to (they.havnt)
but  instead the proclamation that  they will
 So..
They must act now !

On state funded and controlled  TV.

Our own MSM is just as bad,but to.their credit Russia regularly during this has alluded to the ultimate escalation.


Its like the press in both sides is looking way past public support and right to igniting a world war.

So the real question is why?
Is it for ratings?
Does ad copy go up that much with sensationalized over the top war news?


It's just sad.
Pathetic really

And civilians always pay for it dearly.

Russia invaded Ukraine not the other way around. Russia could leave but it doesnt want to.  Ukraine is a country not as big as Russia. Both might have chemical labs but nobody knows and no one is saying they have been deployed.
If you keep it simple then we dont get the mix of they are as  bad as each other logic

[Manny]

So what cost can the world place on Russia that will make sure it doesn't invade Ukraine again or invade other countries?

What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or invade other countries?

[AJ]

So what cost can the world place on Russia that will make sure it doesn't invade Ukraine again or invade other countries?

What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or invade other countries?

We are self imploding from.within,no need to sweat that.

This is currently* about russian troops within ukraine,, not independent*  republics,not crimea.

If going thru whataboutisms ,
Ah the old British empire holds that claim to world domination fame by a landslide.
What costs did it take to break that cycle, what countries aided each other military and financially to do so and gain true* independence?

Doesn't matter , russia is the one taking direct troop action outside their borders.

Funny, dont see those Murmansk  north  based  marine special forces  headed  a few klicks  west ,since Finland is slated for nato members and the US signed security agreements until their ratification...

Nope,instead  they headed south hundreds of kilometers and took extremely high losses immediately at Kharkov.

Warmer water is seemingly  really important.

[Texan77]

What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or invade other countries?

Just get the Brits to stop supporting us.

[Tom Cat]

A video of some of the Nazis still inside the Azovstal plant.
Other than the lack of tattoos and that killer swagger,  these are the individuals that Putin declared a threat to Russians.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTds4Ehmk/

[Wiz]

A video of some of the Nazis still inside the Azovstal plant.
Other than the lack of tattoos and that killer swagger,  these are the individuals that Putin declared a threat to Russians.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTds4Ehmk/

Why don't you go to keep them company?

[WestCoast]

What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or invade other countries?

Just get the Brits to stop supporting us.

Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO. Russia controls Belarus. Russia has invaded Ukraine and killed thousands while demanding Ukraine submit to Russia's will. Russia will probably invade Moldova if Russia succeeds in Ukraine.

Next targets for Russia? What about Georgia?

[Tom Cat]

A video of some of the Nazis still inside the Azovstal plant.
Other than the lack of tattoos and that killer swagger,  these are the individuals that Putin declared a threat to Russians.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTds4Ehmk/

Why don't you go to keep them company?

What a splendid idea! You should come along and educate them about their evil ways.   

[Lon]

Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO. Russia controls Belarus. Russia has invaded Ukraine and killed thousands while demanding Ukraine submit to Russia's will. Russia will probably invade Moldova if Russia succeeds in Ukraine.

Next targets for Russia? What about Georgia?

seems south Ossetia will be holding a referendum, whether to join Russia or not

[AvHdB]

What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or invade other countries?

Just get the Brits to stop supporting us.

Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO. Russia controls Belarus. Russia has invaded Ukraine and killed thousands while demanding Ukraine submit to Russia's will. Russia will probably invade Moldova if Russia succeeds in Ukraine.

Next targets for Russia? What about Georgia?

Unless you like peaches and cotton I would say give Georgia to Russia, and for that matter California as well. After all Russia controlled most of California some 150 years ago. As far as I am concerned they can have N. Pelosi as a bonus.

[2tallbill]

What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not
invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or
invade other countries?

Irrelevant, this is about Russia invading and threatening to invade the
neighbors. This is not about the Brits subjugating the Indians or throwing
Gandhi in jail.

Stay on point.   

[Contrarian]

What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or invade other countries?

Just get the Brits to stop supporting us.

Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO. Russia controls Belarus. Russia has invaded Ukraine and killed thousands while demanding Ukraine submit to Russia's will. Russia will probably invade Moldova if Russia succeeds in Ukraine.

Next targets for Russia? What about Georgia?

Unless you like peaches and cotton I would say give Georgia to Russia, and for that matter California as well. After all Russia controlled most of California some 150 years ago. As far as I am concerned they can have N. Pelosi as a bonus.

 

[Contrarian]

So what cost can the world place on Russia that will make sure it doesn't invade Ukraine again or invade other countries?

What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or invade other countries?

One can pray and hope and dream for both outcomes!

The only US defense IMO is right here right now on American soil.

Unfortunately for the first time in 75 years Russia has completely destroyed the peace in Europe and it's up to the USA and a few other sane countries to do their best to come to the aid of Ukraine and help them rid themselves of the Russian terrorists. 

[Manny]

Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO.

Please show us these threats?

[Manny]

the USA and a few other sane countries to do their best to come to the aid of Ukraine and help them rid themselves of the Russian terrorists. 

Stop drinking. It does you no good. 

[Jonas!]

  and for that matter California as well. After all Russia controlled most of California some 150 years ago. As far as I am concerned they can have N. Pelosi as a bonus.[/size][/font]

There is a real tug of war of us silly Californian's.  Mexico, Russia.   I think we should secede....most of the rest of the US hates us anyway.   

Jonas! 

[WestCoast]

Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO.

Please show us these threats?

There are numerous articles about Putin threatening Finland and Sweden. Putin just doesn't say what he's going to do.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/video/russia-threatens-retaliation-finland-sweden-aim-join-nato-84705813
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/russia-threatens-new-nuclear-deployments-if-sweden-finland-join-nato.html

Dmitry Medvedev wrote in a Telegram post on Thursday that if the countries joined the Western military alliance, there would not be any "nuclear-free status of the Baltic". Of course it's very unlikely that the Baltic is nuclear free since many analysts say that Russia has nukes positioned in its enclave of Kaliningrad.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/04/14/russia-threatens-military-build-up-if-finland-or-sweden-join-nato
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-moving-nuclear-capable-missiles-into-kaliningrad/

[AvHdB]

Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO.

Please show us these threats?

A month ago S. Lavrov, you know the guy who said Russia had no intention to invade Ukraine in early February, made very clear and blunt threats to Finland.

[Contrarian]

Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO.

Please show us these threats?

A month ago S. Lavrov, you know the guy who said Russia had no intention to invade Ukraine in early February, made very clear and blunt threats to Finland.

Let him.

The more baseless threats the inept Russians make the more territory they are going to lose when all is said and done. The moment Russia tries using Nukes or any other such highly dangerous weapons the moment they are going to find out how quickly the entire Russian power structure can disappear. Nobody is going to miss Vladdy no friends or his Fascist "friends" either.

[Contrarian]

Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO.

Please show us these threats?

There are numerous articles about Putin threatening Finland and Sweden. Putin just doesn't say what he's going to do.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/video/russia-threatens-retaliation-finland-sweden-aim-join-nato-84705813
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/russia-threatens-new-nuclear-deployments-if-sweden-finland-join-nato.html

Dmitry Medvedev wrote in a Telegram post on Thursday that if the countries joined the Western military alliance, there would not be any "nuclear-free status of the Baltic". Of course it's very unlikely that the Baltic is nuclear free since many analysts say that Russia has nukes positioned in its enclave of Kaliningrad.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/04/14/russia-threatens-military-build-up-if-finland-or-sweden-join-nato
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-moving-nuclear-capable-missiles-into-kaliningrad/

Russia is quickly proving to be a paper tiger with an inept corrupt lunatic at the top.

[WestCoast]

the USA and a few other sane countries to do their best to come to the aid of Ukraine and help them rid themselves of the Russian terrorists. 

Stop drinking. It does you no good. 

You're confusing me with yourself. I rarely touch any alcohol and when I do it's a small amount.

Unlike you when you admitted you got arrested and put in jail after a night out drinking with your mates.

So really what is your excuse for all the obviously over the top dishonest pro-Nazi Russian propaganda?

You do know that the Russian Nazi mercenaries known as Wagner committed horrible crimes in Bucha and were recorded and it was played in German parliament, don't you?

Time for somebody to face up to some cold hard truths.

This really goes to show how incompetent the Russian military is. In the international MSM the Wagner Group are always portrayed as highly professional and feared mercenaries. If they can't communicate with each other or their HQ without having their communications intercepted how professional are they?

[Markje]

This really goes to show how incompetent the Russian military is. In the international MSM the Wagner Group are always portrayed as highly professional and feared mercenaries. If they can't communicate with each other or their HQ without having their communications intercepted how professional are they?

Or they're using the fine art of misdirection, publicly say A) whilst keeping their real objectives and communications well within opsec. And you would be the ass for believing that they don't in todays age.