The Insanity of US Warmongers pushing Confrontation w/ Russia

[Wiz]

Biden stumbling about, falling down stairs, crashing his bicycle, gives Billions to this clown. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/06/01/president-biden-falls-handing-out-diplomas-at-air-force-academy/70278540007/

https://wegotthiscovered.com/news/volodymyr-zelenskyy-viral-playing-piano-with-penis/

[Wiz]

Hello everybody friends or enemies and glad to see you are still posting.
Personally getting etter nw after loosing nearly40 kilow of weght and typing with one hand.

Just to stay on the them of this threat just posting this link for you to read
Hopefully soon will be able to use my 2 hants.

Read this article:

Bombshell: NATO Says "War Started in 2014". "Fake Pretext" to Wage War Against Russia? To Invoke Article 5 of Atlantic Treaty?
 
What is going on?

[Texan77]

Hello everybody friends or enemies and glad to see you are still posting.
Personally getting etter nw after loosing nearly40 kilow of weght and typing with one hand.

I hope the weight lost is something you wanted, and it is healthy for you. Not sure why you are typing with one hand, but I hope everything is fine.

[Contrarian]

And here

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/make-peace-you-fools/

[Bodine]

And here

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/make-peace-you-fools/

If this war turns Ukraine into a mindless wasteland it can thank the likes of BC who voted for Obama, Hillary and Biden to pushed and aided it to its demise. Hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians and Russians dead and dying, a once fertile nation turned to ash and heap.

[2tallbill]

The basic truth is that if the current administration in the White House continues to provoke Russia it doesn't bode well for the US military, nor does it bode well for peace on the European continent.

The Biden Adminstration is made of idiots, but the US and Russians have been
poking each other since the end of WW2. In Korea, Vietnam, Africa, Cuba, South
America, all over Europe, the Middle East, literally all over the world. Now we are
getting into a long ground war face to face?

I agree that team Biden can f#ck up about anything, he is barely above playing in
his own poop,  but we aren't getting into a long ground/nuke war.

Biden isn't the first idiot in the Oval office. Jimmy Carter was there for 4 years, Johnson had 4 years, Truman wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, Putin ran circles around
Obama. Now he is going to get out foxed by team Dementia into a ground war?
Directly with the USA?

The US House of Representatives can shut him down AND they have to be
reelected every two years.

The US Warmongers want to ship war materiel to the war.

[Texan77]

And here

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/make-peace-you-fools/

If this war turns Ukraine into a mindless wasteland it can thank the likes of BC who voted for Obama, Hillary and Biden to pushed and aided it to its demise. Hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians and Russians dead and dying, a once fertile nation turned to ash and heap.

If Russia become a failed state, there is state there will be one to blame other than Putin. Hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians and Russians dead and dying for a war of greed.

[Bodine]

And here

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/make-peace-you-fools/

If this war turns Ukraine into a mindless wasteland it can thank the likes of BC who voted for Obama, Hillary and Biden to pushed and aided it to its demise. Hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians and Russians dead and dying, a once fertile nation turned to ash and heap.

If Russia become a failed state, there is state there will be one to blame other than Putin. Hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians and Russians dead and dying for a war of greed.

Shame, isn't it?

Zelensky campaigned and was voted under the platform of peace in Ukraine. Yes, at the behest of the US/West, he sacrificed the people who trusted him. Then, despite undeserving for what he had already done, he gets a second chance to spare tens of thousands of lives and country April 2022.

And what did he do? He sold out his own country and citizens again.

For what? Why do you think he did this?

[rosco]

Yes, at the behest of the US/West, he sacrificed the people who trusted him. Then, despite undeserving for what he had already done, he gets a second chance to spare tens of thousands of lives and country April 2022.

And what did he do? He sold out his own country and citizens again.

For what? Why do you think he did this?

It would explain why the west has been so enthusiastic to 'offer help' to a corrupt broken country that was never within our sphere of influence and why they've bent over backwards and emptied their pockets to the tune of $200 billion and have the media dance along.

All of a sudden, Ukraine have apparently always been our good friends (since Feb 2022) and we need to destroy our own economies and push millions of tax payers into poverty because the corrupt people of Ukraine are apparently our allies.

Yes nothing to do with fighting Russia and having a go at toppling Putin. Every dead Ukrainian is unfortunate but it's better than watching our own die. 

[2tallbill]

Not exactly. The USA is not capable of fighting toe to toe with Russia in a conventional war if the war was based in Europe. We would quickly get our asses kicked.

That is when some psychopath in the USA (and that's much of Congress as well as whoever is controlling Biden) would decide to use Nukes.

But the ass kicking where are forces were decimated would come prior.

Russia can't fight toe to toe with USA in a conventional war (in North America),
their troops would never get here. The USA doesn't have the capacity or inclination
to transport a couple million troops to Eastern Europe to fight the big bad bear. We
don't even have a couple million troops. Russia is too big  and the USA is too far to
defeat.
 
That has always been the case even before the USA bought Alaska from Alexander II.

[Jonas!]

If Russia become a failed state, there is state there will be one to blame other than Putin. Hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainians and Russians dead and dying for a war of greed.

Shame, isn't it?

Zelensky campaigned and was voted under the platform of peace in Ukraine. Yes, at the behest of the US/West, he sacrificed the people who trusted him. Then, despite undeserving for what he had already done, he gets a second chance to spare tens of thousands of lives and country April 2022.

And what did he do? He sold out his own country and citizens again.

For what? Why do you think he did this?[/b][/i]
 
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To answer, I'd say for money ultimately.   

Suspecting the west (US) will continue to be involved, the final end game involves Russia destroying Ukraine before it is allowed to go west, which would involve weapons of mass destruction.  How ever many casualties there have been, there promises to be many many more.  I'm curious why western nations thought it would be better to encourage/foment a war, rather than just permit things to be more or less remain the way they were.  I'm wondering what their beliefs are as to how this ends, and how that will benefit them...because I belive Ukraine itself is secondary if not tertiary. 

[Texan77]

What the real problem was he thought that peace could be achieved, and Ukraine could still be an independent country. He had a couple of talks with Putin and learned that was not possible. So here we are.

[rosco]

I'm curious why western nations thought it would be better to encourage/foment a war, rather than just permit things to be more or less remain the way they were.

This is exactly how I feel. It almost seems evil to have played a part in escalating the situation, knowing full well millions of people will suffer and hundreds of thousands will die.

Whether Russia are right or wrong or if they should have that choice to draw a red line, it was still obvious that the current policy would always end up with conflict.

That's why it feels like they were looking for a fight with Russia.

[Markje]

I'm curious why western nations thought it would be better to encourage/foment a war, rather than just permit things to be more or less remain the way they were.

This is exactly how I feel. It almost seems evil to have played a part in escalating the situation, knowing full well millions of people will suffer and hundreds of thousands will die.

Whether Russia are right or wrong or if they should have that choice to draw a red line, it was still obvious that the current policy would always end up with conflict.

That's why it feels like they were looking for a fight with Russia.

+1 for the both.

[2tallbill]

Then, despite undeserving for what he had already done, he gets a second chance to
spare tens of thousands of lives and country April 2022.

How?

[Bodine]

Then, despite undeserving for what he had already done, he gets a second chance to
spare tens of thousands of lives and country April 2022.

How?

How?!? Did you just crawl out of a polar crevasse?

We are witnessing what Israel’s former PM Naftali Bennet described as ‘Kfar Kanna’.

The comic clown is a spineless stooge who had a chance to avoid putting Ukraine’s state where it is today.

PM Bennet detailed his attempt to mediate between Putin and Zelensky hardly a month in Russia’s SMO. He have detailed events during his involvement at the start of the war, his opinion of both leaders, and why his effort to curb the violence ultimately fell through. The subject is at the 2:20 point of the video.

[Texan77]

I'm curious why western nations thought it would be better to encourage/foment a war, rather than just permit things to be more or less remain the way they were.

This is exactly how I feel. It almost seems evil to have played a part in escalating the situation, knowing full well millions of people will suffer and hundreds of thousands will die.

Whether Russia are right or wrong or if they should have that choice to draw a red line, it was still obvious that the current policy would always end up with conflict.

That's why it feels like they were looking for a fight with Russia.

Yes, Ukraine invaded Russia and picked a fight.

The west tried to negotiate with Russia, but it was not possible. The thing that is not remember everyone including the USA thought Ukraine would lose in a couple of weeks. So why pick a fight you know you going to lose. Russia would not negotiate because they thought they would win in short order. So, why should they except anything short of a complete surrender of Ukraine which is what the terms Russia proposed would mean if you take off the flowerily coating. This bit of Russia was only trying to use the battle for Kiev as a distraction is crap. They lost a lot of troops and equipment in that battle. Russia wanted the whole country so there would be more money to divide up. This war is about rich Russia in Putin's inter circle wanting more money and Putin wanting to be remember as a great leader who won a great war. It is just not working out.

[Markje]

Yes, Ukraine invaded Russia and picked a fight.

War, like in chess, needs to think a few steps ahead. You're seeing a Queen take down a tower and think the queen started it, but the opening points with pawns and knights you missed.

The west tried to negotiate with Russia, but it was not possible. The thing that is not remember everyone including the USA thought Ukraine would lose in a couple of weeks. So why pick a fight you know you going to lose. Russia would not negotiate because they thought they would win in short order. So, why should they except anything short of a complete surrender of Ukraine which is what the terms Russia proposed would mean if you take off the flowerily coating. This bit of Russia was only trying to use the battle for Kiev as a distraction is crap. They lost a lot of troops and equipment in that battle. Russia wanted the whole country so there would be more money to divide up. This war is about rich Russia in Putin's inter circle wanting more money and Putin wanting to be remember as a great leader who won a great war. It is just not working out.

You're simply utterly clueless parrotting the news. This has been explained a few times for you on the board. Repeating said misstakes does not make it any less true now, than then.

[2tallbill]

How?!? Did you just crawl out of a polar crevasse?

We are witnessing what Israel’s former PM Naftali Bennet described as ‘Kfar Kanna’.

PM Bennet detailed his attempt to mediate between Putin and Zelensky hardly a month in Russia’s SMO. He have detailed events during his involvement at the start of the war, his opinion of both leaders, and why his effort to curb the violence ultimately fell through. The subject is at the 2:20 point of the video.

You've vastly overestimated the abilities of PM Bennet to help both sides arrive at
a peaceful settlement. Neither side would agree to the conditions placed by the
other. Some of the ideas like Russia leasing Crimea was creative and had a lot
of merit.

Boris Johnson definitely made things worse. Telling them that Putin should be
pressured and not to be negotiated with. That was very detrimental.   

Lastly, yes I live under a polar crevasse, but I think you might live in the land of
unicorns, fairies and fluffy bunnies.

[2tallbill]

PM Bennet detailed his attempt to mediate between Putin and Zelensky hardly a month in Russia’s SMO. He have detailed events during his involvement at the start of the war, his opinion of both leaders, and why his effort to curb the violence ultimately fell through.

PM Bennet and Putin were speaking ceasefire not a treaty. Russia ALWAYS agrees
to ceasefires. That's important to them so they can reposition and resupply their troops.

[Bodine]

How?!? Did you just crawl out of a polar crevasse?

We are witnessing what Israel’s former PM Naftali Bennet described as ‘Kfar Kanna’.

PM Bennet detailed his attempt to mediate between Putin and Zelensky hardly a month in Russia’s SMO. He have detailed events during his involvement at the start of the war, his opinion of both leaders, and why his effort to curb the violence ultimately fell through. The subject is at the 2:20 point of the video.

You've vastly overestimated the abilities of PM Bennet to help both sides arrive at
a peaceful settlement. Neither side would agree to the conditions placed by the
other. Some of the ideas like Russia leasing Crimea was creative and had a lot
of merit.

Boris Johnson definitely made things worse. Telling them that Putin should be
pressured and not to be negotiated with. That was very detrimental.   

Lastly, yes I live under a polar crevasse, but I think you might live in the land of
unicorns, fairies and fluffy bunnies.

  speaking of unicorns, BC’s fairies and fluffy bunnies, methinks you overestimate yourself too much.

Heck, Bennet should’ve shunned the travels, phone calls mediating between these guys when all he had to do at the time was consult with you apparently.

Imagine that.

Anyway, bottom line was this conflict needs to stop. Ukraine seeking independence seem rather asinine considering its subjective to being everyone’s bitch at this time. Too corrupt to qualify as a EU member. I agree with Bennet that at this time the only exit strategy for this war to end is fight to the last Ukrainian.

Shame. The comic should’ve just renounced NATO, and I believe all others can be agreed upon after. It’s not a guarantee, but option B, which we are witnessing now, is obviously the worst of the two evil.

[2tallbill]

  speaking of unicorns, BC’s fairies and fluffy bunnies, methinks you overestimate yourself too much.

Heck, Bennet should’ve shunned the travels, phone calls mediating between these guys when all he had to do at the time was consult with you apparently.

Imagine that.

Anyway, bottom line was this conflict needs to stop. Ukraine seeking independence seem rather asinine considering its subjective to being everyone’s bitch at this time. Too corrupt to qualify as a EU member. I agree with Bennet that at this time the only exit strategy for this war to end is fight to the last Ukrainian.

Shame. The comic should’ve just renounced NATO, and I believe all others can be agreed upon after. It’s not a guarantee, but option B, which we are witnessing now, is obviously the worst of the two evil.

Fluffy bunnies aside, I think they should always seek peace. Most wars not named
WW2 do not end with an absolute winner and rarely the best resolution. It's a false dilemma to say that it was February 2022 or annihilation of the Ukrainian people.

Obviously if they came to a solution in April it would have been fantastic, but
it was not an unquestioned outcome because PM Bennet was there.

I know that it's completely unheard of that a politician would exaggerate or overstate
his significance in an event that he was part of.

[Bodine]

Good for him!