De-Dollarisation.

[Anteros]

Everyone is cheering "de-dollarisation" but no one is asking, "what happens after that"?

Do you really think, that the same people who set up the post-WW2 system and rode it for 60+ years to their immense profit, power and control, are now going to flop over and say "well, we give up, here, take advantage of the post-USD boom times"?

They destroy one system so that they can benefit from its successor, which has been planned for and designed decades ago.  Guess what:  you ain't in their club.

Yea these guys will be real happy with the new system. It will likely have the poor Chinese or African make as much as the average European or American. Or maybe we should say it in reverse, it will have the average European and/or American making as little money as the average poor Chinese or African. Then the world will be globalized and it will be a fair playing field for everyone. It will be a completely fair system. Surely all of these anti US people will be very happy with this type of system. Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

Trying to steal my sig line?    But yeah, those who wish for the dollars demise don't know what it is they're really getting giddy about.

[AvHdB]

The US has the past 2 years  together with Saudi Arabia tried to bankrupt Russia using various methods but at the end has failed. Putin and his team of advisers are not the old guard of Yeltsin who sold everything for a song. Just count how many times won the match against Obama, the past 5 years and got him with his punts down!

While the article Wiz posts raises some interesting points, there are also some flaws, when I have enough coffee I might read the actual article and not the transcript posted.

As for the gem above, it gets very tiring reading this nonsense. Simply said it is bull shit.

There is something called the world economy. Oil reached levels that put it in tulipmania territory. Suddenly more or less at the same time America was/is ready to become a petro fuel exporter, the world economy (primarily China) did a hickup and demand and consumption in the West primarily the United States declined.

Guess what the price declined, perhaps too far, but that is how markets over the centuries have worked. With the return of Iran to exporting fuel an large increase of the price of crude oil is unlikely to happen.

Most likely Wiz and Andrew will come up with some looney conspiracy drivel ignoring common sense and factors that even a teenager can understand. Suck it up and try too stay reality based, please.

Curious where is Rurria, is that like Erewhon?

[Anteros]

The US has the past 2 years  together with Saudi Arabia tried to bankrupt Russia using various methods but at the end has failed. Putin and his team of advisers are not the old guard of Yeltsin who sold everything for a song. Just count how many times won the match against Obama, the past 5 years and got him with his punts down!

While the article Wiz posts raises some interesting points, there are also some flaws, when I have enough coffee I might read the actual article and not the transcript posted.

As for the gem above, it gets very tiring reading this nonsense. Simply said it is bull shit.

There is something called the world economy. Oil reached levels that put it in tulipmania territory. Suddenly more or less at the same time America was/is ready to become a petro fuel exporter, the world economy (primarily China) did a hickup and demand and consumption in the West primarily the United States declined.

Guess what the price declined, perhaps too far, but that is how markets over the centuries have worked. With the return of Iran to exporting fuel an large increase of the price of crude oil is unlikely to happen.

Most likely Wiz and Andrew will come up with some looney conspiracy drivel ignoring common sense and factors that even a teenager can understand. Suck it up and try too stay reality based, please.

The sanctions against Russia may have only hurt them a little bit -- well at least the wealthy class of Russians.  The inflation I'm sure has hurt the normal people a bit more.

But what's really hurt the Russian economy is clearly the low price of oil.  Due to Iran coming back as an oil exporter, US fracking, Saudi Arabia not wanting to lose market share -- well the price of oil is likely to remain much lower than Russia needs it to be in order to pay for pensions and the rest of their Federal budget.

I don't see how attempting to blame the USA for a swing in oil prices or painting the USA as a declining power and the dollar on the way out is helpful except the whole thread is a way to deflect away from certain sober realities back in Russia, just as the adventure in Syria was.  Eventually all good things come to an end.

[Texan77]

Trying to steal my sig line?    But yeah, those who wish for the dollars demise don't know what it is they're really getting giddy about.

What is really silly is these guys believe that the dollars is going to go away and the rest of the world is going to be just like it is now except only America will be a poor country. These guys believe this will have little to no effect on Europe, China or the world oil's market ... Russia. Now of course Russia currency collapsed last year and that was only good for the country but such a collapse would be the end of the USA.

[Gipsy]

Trying to steal my sig line?    But yeah, those who wish for the dollars demise don't know what it is they're really getting giddy about.

What is really silly is these guys believe that the dollars is going to go away and the rest of the world is going to be just like it is now except only America will be a poor country. These guys believe this will have little to no effect on Europe, China or the world oil's market ... Russia. Now of course Russia currency collapsed last year and that was only good for the country but such a collapse would be the end of the USA.

Exactly..

I do not think that anyone in their right minds wish to see the US totally collapsed, and would think that many countries in the world would help stop such a collapse from happening, and that includes Russia and China..

All these "Other" countries want really, is for the US to pull its horns in, treat them respectfully, stop trying to force the "US democratic model" (Which they think is the right way to go, ie, LBGTI etc) onto them, stop trying to interfere and undermine their respective governments, if fact, just stop trying to rule the world..

More a case of, sort your own backyard out first and foremost before trying to tell others how to sort theirs out, and live and let live..

If I wished to enjoy US policies, then I would move to live there, but I don't..

[Anteros]

Trying to steal my sig line?    But yeah, those who wish for the dollars demise don't know what it is they're really getting giddy about.

What is really silly is these guys believe that the dollars is going to go away and the rest of the world is going to be just like it is now except only America will be a poor country. These guys believe this will have little to no effect on Europe, China or the world oil's market ... Russia. Now of course Russia currency collapsed last year and that was only good for the country but such a collapse would be the end of the USA.

Exactly..

I do not think that anyone in their right minds wish to see the US totally collapsed, and would think that many countries in the world would help stop such a collapse from happening, and that includes Russia and China..

All these "Other" countries want really, is for the US to pull its horns in, treat them respectfully, stop trying to force the "US democratic model" (Which they think is the right way to go, ie, LBGTI etc) onto them, stop trying to interfere and undermine their respective governments, if fact, just stop trying to rule the world..

More a case of, sort your own backyard out first and foremost before trying to tell others how to sort theirs out, and live and let live..

If I wished to enjoy US policies, then I would move to live there, but I don't..

I can agree with most of what you wrote there, with the exception of Russia's paranoia about NATO and our duty to be the leading member.  This alliance goes back to the end of WWII and was formed as a response to Russia steam rolling Eastern Europe and putting countries behind bars for decades; the iron curtain.  People in Eastern Europe never want to go back to that.  Poland has a right to conduct war drills with the USA in International waters without deliberate and reckless provocations from Russia.  Russia having an enclave near there is beside the point.

The USA keeps our promises to our allies and based on past Russian aggression we are not going anywhere and any fantasy about that is not based on reality.  We have no interest in ruling the World but we will work to protect our allies. 


PS My estimate is that about 55 to 60% of Americans don't care for the LBTG agenda either, it was forced on us by the Liberals. 

[Gipsy]

Trying to steal my sig line?    But yeah, those who wish for the dollars demise don't know what it is they're really getting giddy about.

What is really silly is these guys believe that the dollars is going to go away and the rest of the world is going to be just like it is now except only America will be a poor country. These guys believe this will have little to no effect on Europe, China or the world oil's market ... Russia. Now of course Russia currency collapsed last year and that was only good for the country but such a collapse would be the end of the USA.

Exactly..

I do not think that anyone in their right minds wish to see the US totally collapsed, and would think that many countries in the world would help stop such a collapse from happening, and that includes Russia and China..

All these "Other" countries want really, is for the US to pull its horns in, treat them respectfully, stop trying to force the "US democratic model" (Which they think is the right way to go, ie, LBGTI etc) onto them, stop trying to interfere and undermine their respective governments, if fact, just stop trying to rule the world..

More a case of, sort your own backyard out first and foremost before trying to tell others how to sort theirs out, and live and let live..

If I wished to enjoy US policies, then I would move to live there, but I don't..

I can agree with most of what you wrote there, with the exception of Russia's paranoia about NATO and our duty to be the leading member.  This alliance goes back to the end of WWII and was formed as a response to Russia steam rolling Eastern Europe and putting countries behind bars for decades; the iron curtain.  People in Eastern Europe never want to go back to that.  Poland has a right to conduct war drills with the USA in International waters without deliberate and reckless provocations from Russia.  Russia having an enclave near there is beside the point.

The USA keeps our promises to our allies and based on past Russian aggression we are not going anywhere and any fantasy about that is not based on reality.  We have no interest in ruling the World but we will work to protect our allies. 


PS My estimate is that about 55 to 60% of Americans don't care for the LBTG agenda either, it was forced on us by the Liberals.

STOP, stop, stop Ant..

Go away and find out exactly why NATO was formed, and who was responsible for the beginnings of the "Iron curtain", BEFORE writing any further...

[Gipsy]

The US has the past 2 years  together with Saudi Arabia tried to bankrupt Russia using various methods but at the end has failed. Putin and his team of advisers are not the old guard of Yeltsin who sold everything for a song. Just count how many times won the match against Obama, the past 5 years and got him with his punts down!

While the article Wiz posts raises some interesting points, there are also some flaws, when I have enough coffee I might read the actual article and not the transcript posted.

As for the gem above, it gets very tiring reading this nonsense. Simply said it is bull shit.

There is something called the world economy. Oil reached levels that put it in tulipmania territory. Suddenly more or less at the same time America was/is ready to become a petro fuel exporter, the world economy (primarily China) did a hickup and demand and consumption in the West primarily the United States declined.

Guess what the price declined, perhaps too far, but that is how markets over the centuries have worked. With the return of Iran to exporting fuel an large increase of the price of crude oil is unlikely to happen.

Most likely Wiz and Andrew will come up with some looney conspiracy drivel ignoring common sense and factors that even a teenager can understand. Suck it up and try too stay reality based, please.

Curious where is Rurria, is that like Erewhon?

More often than not, Wizziebaby's posts have interesting, even factual (now and again) points, but his, sometimes warped viewpoints, tend to discolour them. IMHO..

[msmoby]

Go away and find out exactly why NATO was formed, and who was responsible for the beginnings of the "Iron curtain", BEFORE writing any further...

After a great GP - A Russian finishing 3rd going into his home event - I could do with some more entertainment..Please tell us your viewpoint re the 'iron curtain'...

[AvHdB]

Go away and find out exactly why NATO was formed, and who was responsible for the beginnings of the "Iron curtain", BEFORE writing any further...

Go ahead, give this the college try and explain your viewpoint. 

[andrewfi]

Many people consider Churchill's "iron curtain speech" to be the beginning of the Cold War. Of course we now know that before this speech was made that the US and UK had made serious plans to invade Russia and this speech should be read in that context.

These words from the speech are, I suggest, why this speech was a declaration of war.
Note, in particular the following words:

For that reason the old doctrine of a balance of power is unsound. We cannot afford, if we can help it, to work on narrow margins, offering temptations to a trial of strength.

"The Sinews of Peace" speech, also commonly referred to as the "Iron Curtain" speech, in its entirety:

"The Sinews of Peace" by Winston Churchill

I am glad to come to Westminster College this afternoon, and am complimented that you should give me a degree. The name "Westminster" is somehow familiar to me. I seem to have heard of it before. Indeed, it was at Westminster that I received a very large part of my education in politics, dialectic, rhetoric, and one or two other things. In fact we have both been educated at the same, or similar, or, at any rate, kindred establishments.

It is also an honour, perhaps almost unique, for a private visitor to be introduced to an academic audience by the President of the United States. Amid his heavy burdens, duties, and responsibilities - unsought but not recoiled from - the President has travelled a thousand miles to dignify and magnify our meeting here to-day and to give me an opportunity of addressing this kindred nation, as well as my own countrymen across the ocean, and perhaps some other countries too. The President has told you that it is his wish, as I am sure it is yours, that I should have full liberty to give my true and faithful counsel in these anxious and baffling times. I shall certainly avail myself of this freedom, and feel the more right to do so because any private ambitions I may have cherished in my younger days have been satisfied beyond my wildest dreams. Let me, however, make it clear that I have no official mission or status of any kind, and that I speak only for myself. There is nothing here but what you see.

I can therefore allow my mind, with the experience of a lifetime, to play over the problems which beset us on the morrow of our absolute victory in arms, and to try to make sure with what strength I have that what has been gained with so much sacrifice and suffering shall be preserved for the future glory and safety of mankind.

The United States stands at this time at the pinnacle of world power. It is a solemn moment for the American Democracy. For with primacy in power is also joined an awe-inspiring accountability to the future. If you look around you, you must feel not only the sense of duty done but also you must feel anxiety lest you fall below the level of achievement. Opportunity is here now, clear and shining for both our countries. To reject it or ignore it or fritter it away will bring upon us all the long reproaches of the after-time. It is necessary that constancy of mind, persistency of purpose, and the grand simplicity of decision shall guide and rule the conduct of the English-speaking peoples in peace as they did in war. We must, and I believe we shall, prove ourselves equal to this severe requirement.

When American military men approach some serious situation they are wont to write at the head of their directive the words "over-all strategic concept." There is wisdom in this, as it leads to clarity of thought. What then is the over-all strategic concept which we should inscribe today? It is nothing less than the safety and welfare, the freedom and progress, of all the homes and families of all the men and women in all the lands. And here I speak particularly of the myriad cottage or apartment homes where the wage-earner strives amid the accidents and difficulties of life to guard his wife and children from privation and bring the family up in the fear of the Lord, or upon ethical conceptions which often play their potent part.

To give security to these countless homes, they must be shielded from the two giant marauders, war and tyranny. We all know the frightful disturbances in which the ordinary family is plunged when the curse of war swoops down upon the bread-winner and those for whom he works and contrives. The awful ruin of Europe, with all its vanished glories, and of large parts of Asia glares us in the eyes. When the designs of wicked men or the aggressive urge of mighty States dissolve over large areas the frame of civilised society, humble folk are confronted with difficulties with which they cannot cope. For them all is distorted, all is broken, even ground to pulp.

When I stand here this quiet afternoon I shudder to visualise what is actually happening to millions now and what is going to happen in this period when famine stalks the earth. None can compute what has been called "the unestimated sum of human pain." Our supreme task and duty is to guard the homes of the common people from the horrors and miseries of another war. We are all agreed on that.

Our American military colleagues, after having proclaimed their "over-all strategic concept" and computed available resources, always proceed to the next step - namely, the method. Here again there is widespread agreement. A world organisation has already been erected for the prime purpose of preventing war, UNO, the successor of the League of Nations, with the decisive addition of the United States and all that that means, is already at work. We must make sure that its work is fruitful, that it is a reality and not a sham, that it is a force for action, and not merely a frothing of words, that it is a true temple of peace in which the shields of many nations can some day be hung up, and not merely a cockpit in a Tower of Babel. Before we cast away the solid assurances of national armaments for self-preservation we must be certain that our temple is built, not upon shifting sands or quagmires, but upon the rock. Anyone can see with his eyes open that our path will be difficult and also long, but if we persevere together as we did in the two world wars - though not, alas, in the interval between them - I cannot doubt that we shall achieve our common purpose in the end.

I have, however, a definite and practical proposal to make for action. Courts and magistrates may be set up but they cannot function without sheriffs and constables. The United Nations Organisation must immediately begin to be equipped with an international armed force. In such a matter we can only go step by step, but we must begin now. I propose that each of the Powers and States should be invited to delegate a certain number of air squadrons to the service of the world organisation. These squadrons would be trained and prepared in their own countries, but would move around in rotation from one country to another. They would wear the uniform of their own countries but with different badges. They would not be required to act against their own nation, but in other respects they would be directed by the world organisation. This might be started on a modest scale and would grow as confidence grew. I wished to see this done after the first world war, and I devoutly trust it may be done forthwith.

It would nevertheless be wrong and imprudent to entrust the secret knowledge or experience of the atomic bomb, which the United States, Great Britain, and Canada now share, to the world organisation, while it is still in its infancy. It would be criminal madness to cast it adrift in this still agitated and un-united world. No one in any country has slept less well in their beds because this knowledge and the method and the raw materials to apply it, are at present largely retained in American hands. I do not believe we should all have slept so soundly had the positions been reversed and if some Communist or neo-Fascist State monopolised for the time being these dread agencies. The fear of them alone might easily have been used to enforce totalitarian systems upon the free democratic world, with consequences appalling to human imagination. God has willed that this shall not be and we have at least a breathing space to set our house in order before this peril has to be encountered: and even then, if no effort is spared, we should still possess so formidable a superiority as to impose effective deterrents upon its employment, or threat of employment, by others. Ultimately, when the essential brotherhood of man is truly embodied and expressed in a world organisation with all the necessary practical safeguards to make it effective, these powers would naturally be confided to that world organisation.

Now I come to the second danger of these two marauders which threatens the cottage, the home, and the ordinary people - namely, tyranny. We cannot be blind to the fact that the liberties enjoyed by individual citizens throughout the British Empire are not valid in a considerable number of countries, some of which are very powerful. In these States control is enforced upon the common people by various kinds of all-embracing police governments. The power of the State is exercised without restraint, either by dictators or by compact oligarchies operating through a privileged party and a political police. It is not our duty at this time when difficulties are so numerous to interfere forcibly in the internal affairs of countries which we have not conquered in war. But we must never cease to proclaim in fearless tones the great principles of freedom and the rights of man which are the joint inheritance of the English-speaking world and which through Magna Carta, the Bill of Rights, the Habeas Corpus, trial by jury, and the English common law find their most famous expression in the American Declaration of Independence.

All this means that the people of any country have the right, and should have the power by constitutional action, by free unfettered elections, with secret ballot, to choose or change the character or form of government under which they dwell; that freedom of speech and thought should reign; that courts of justice, independent of the executive, unbiased by any party, should administer laws which have received the broad assent of large majorities or are consecrated by time and custom. Here are the title deeds of freedom which should lie in every cottage home. Here is the message of the British and American peoples to mankind. Let us preach what we practise - let us practise what we preach.

I have now stated the two great dangers which menace the homes of the people: War and Tyranny. I have not yet spoken of poverty and privation which are in many cases the prevailing anxiety. But if the dangers of war and tyranny are removed, there is no doubt that science and co-operation can bring in the next few years to the world, certainly in the next few decades newly taught in the sharpening school of war, an expansion of material well-being beyond anything that has yet occurred in human experience. Now, at this sad and breathless moment, we are plunged in the hunger and distress which are the aftermath of our stupendous struggle; but this will pass and may pass quickly, and there is no reason except human folly of sub-human crime which should deny to all the nations the inauguration and enjoyment of an age of plenty. I have often used words which I learned fifty years ago from a great Irish-American orator, a friend of mine, Mr. Bourke Cockran. "There is enough for all. The earth is a generous mother; she will provide in plentiful abundance food for all her children if they will but cultivate her soil in justice and in peace." So far I feel that we are in full agreement.

Now, while still pursuing the method of realising our overall strategic concept, I come to the crux of what I have travelled here to say. Neither the sure prevention of war, nor the continuous rise of world organisation will be gained without what I have called the fraternal association of the English-speaking peoples. This means a special relationship between the British Commonwealth and Empire and the United States. This is no time for generalities, and I will venture to be precise. Fraternal association requires not only the growing friendship and mutual understanding between our two vast but kindred systems of society, but the continuance of the intimate relationship between our military advisers, leading to common study of potential dangers, the similarity of weapons and manuals of instructions, and to the interchange of officers and cadets at technical colleges. It should carry with it the continuance of the present facilities for mutual security by the joint use of all Naval and Air Force bases in the possession of either country all over the world. This would perhaps double the mobility of the American Navy and Air Force. It would greatly expand that of the British Empire Forces and it might well lead, if and as the world calms down, to important financial savings. Already we use together a large number of islands; more may well be entrusted to our joint care in the near future.

The United States has already a Permanent Defence Agreement with the Dominion of Canada, which is so devotedly attached to the British Commonwealth and Empire. This Agreement is more effective than many of those which have often been made under formal alliances. This principle should be extended to all British Commonwealths with full reciprocity. Thus, whatever happens, and thus only, shall we be secure ourselves and able to work together for the high and simple causes that are dear to us and bode no ill to any. Eventually there may come - I feel eventually there will come - the principle of common citizenship, but that we may be content to leave to destiny, whose outstretched arm many of us can already clearly see.

There is however an important question we must ask ourselves. Would a special relationship between the United States and the British Commonwealth be inconsistent with our over-riding loyalties to the World Organisation? I reply that, on the contrary, it is probably the only means by which that organisation will achieve its full stature and strength. There are already the special United States relations with Canada which I have just mentioned, and there are the special relations between the United States and the South American Republics. We British have our twenty years Treaty of Collaboration and Mutual Assistance with Soviet Russia. I agree with Mr. Bevin, the Foreign Secretary of Great Britain, that it might well be a fifty years Treaty so far as we are concerned. We aim at nothing but mutual assistance and collaboration. The British have an alliance with Portugal unbroken since 1384, and which produced fruitful results at critical moments in the late war. None of these clash with the general interest of a world agreement, or a world organisation; on the contrary they help it. "In my father's house are many mansions." Special associations between members of the United Nations which have no aggressive point against any other country, which harbour no design incompatible with the Charter of the United Nations, far from being harmful, are beneficial and, as I believe, indispensable.

End Part One

[andrewfi]

part two

I spoke earlier of the Temple of Peace. Workmen from all countries must build that temple. If two of the workmen know each other particularly well and are old friends, if their families are inter-mingled, and if they have "faith in each other's purpose, hope in each other's future and charity towards each other's shortcomings" - to quote some good words I read here the other day - why cannot they work together at the common task as friends and partners? Why cannot they share their tools and thus increase each other's working powers? Indeed they must do so or else the temple may not be built, or, being built, it may collapse, and we shall all be proved again unteachable and have to go and try to learn again for a third time in a school of war, incomparably more rigorous than that from which we have just been released. The dark ages may return, the Stone Age may return on the gleaming wings of science, and what might now shower immeasurable material blessings upon mankind, may even bring about its total destruction. Beware, I say; time may be short. Do not let us take the course of allowing events to drift along until it is too late. If there is to be a fraternal association of the kind I have described, with all the extra strength and security which both our countries can derive from it, let us make sure that that great fact is known to the world, and that it plays its part in steadying and stabilising the foundations of peace. There is the path of wisdom. Prevention is better than cure.

A shadow has fallen upon the scenes so lately lighted by the Allied victory. Nobody knows what Soviet Russia and its Communist international organisation intends to do in the immediate future, or what are the limits, if any, to their expansive and proselytising tendencies. I have a strong admiration and regard for the valiant Russian people and for my wartime comrade, Marshal Stalin. There is deep sympathy and goodwill in Britain - and I doubt not here also - towards the peoples of all the Russias and a resolve to persevere through many differences and rebuffs in establishing lasting friendships. We understand the Russian need to be secure on her western frontiers by the removal of all possibility of German aggression. We welcome Russia to her rightful place among the leading nations of the world. We welcome her flag upon the seas. Above all, we welcome constant, frequent and growing contacts between the Russian people and our own people on both sides of the Atlantic. It is my duty however, for I am sure you would wish me to state the facts as I see them to you, to place before you certain facts about the present position in Europe.

From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the Continent. Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of Central and Eastern Europe. Warsaw, Berlin, Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Belgrade, Bucharest and Sofia, all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Soviet sphere, and all are subject in one form or another, not only to Soviet influence but to a very high and, in many cases, increasing measure of control from Moscow. Athens alone - Greece with its immortal glories - is free to decide its future at an election under British, American and French observation. The Russian-dominated Polish Government has been encouraged to make enormous and wrongful inroads upon Germany, and mass expulsions of millions of Germans on a scale grievous and undreamed-of are now taking place. The Communist parties, which were very small in all these Eastern States of Europe, have been raised to pre-eminence and power far beyond their numbers and are seeking everywhere to obtain totalitarian control. Police governments are prevailing in nearly every case, and so far, except in Czechoslovakia, there is no true democracy.

Turkey and Persia are both profoundly alarmed and disturbed at the claims which are being made upon them and at the pressure being exerted by the Moscow Government. An attempt is being made by the Russians in Berlin to build up a quasi-Communist party in their zone of Occupied Germany by showing special favours to groups of left-wing German leaders. At the end of the fighting last June, the American and British Armies withdrew westwards, in accordance with an earlier agreement, to a depth at some points of 150 miles upon a front of nearly four hundred miles, in order to allow our Russian allies to occupy this vast expanse of territory which the Western Democracies had conquered.

If now the Soviet Government tries, by separate action, to build up a pro-Communist Germany in their areas, this will cause new serious difficulties in the British and American zones, and will give the defeated Germans the power of putting themselves up to auction between the Soviets and the Western Democracies. Whatever conclusions may be drawn from these facts - and facts they are - this is certainly not the Liberated Europe we fought to build up. Nor is it one which contains the essentials of permanent peace.

The safety of the world requires a new unity in Europe, from which no nation should be permanently outcast. It is from the quarrels of the strong parent races in Europe that the world wars we have witnessed, or which occurred in former times, have sprung. Twice in our own lifetime we have seen the United States, against their wishes and their traditions, against arguments, the force of which it is impossible not to comprehend, drawn by irresistible forces, into these wars in time to secure the victory of the good cause, but only after frightful slaughter and devastation had occurred. Twice the United States has had to send several millions of its young men across the Atlantic to find the war; but now war can find any nation, wherever it may dwell between dusk and dawn. Surely we should work with conscious purpose for a grand pacification of Europe, within the structure of the United Nations and in accordance with its Charter. That I feel is an open cause of policy of very great importance.

In front of the iron curtain which lies across Europe are other causes for anxiety. In Italy the Communist Party is seriously hampered by having to support the Communist-trained Marshal Tito's claims to former Italian territory at the head of the Adriatic. Nevertheless the future of Italy hangs in the balance. Again one cannot imagine a regenerated Europe without a strong France. All my public life I have worked for a strong France and I never lost faith in her destiny, even in the darkest hours. I will not lose faith now. However, in a great number of countries, far from the Russian frontiers and throughout the world, Communist fifth columns are established and work in complete unity and absolute obedience to the directions they receive from the Communist centre. Except in the British Commonwealth and in the United States where Communism is in its infancy, the Communist parties or fifth columns constitute a growing challenge and peril to Christian civilisation. These are sombre facts for anyone to have to recite on the morrow of a victory gained by so much splendid comradeship in arms and in the cause of freedom and democracy; but we should be most unwise not to face them squarely while time remains.

The outlook is also anxious in the Far East and especially in Manchuria. The Agreement which was made at Yalta, to which I was a party, was extremely favourable to Soviet Russia, but it was made at a time when no one could say that the German war might not extend all through the summer and autumn of 1945 and when the Japanese war was expected to last for a further 18 months from the end of the German war. In this country you are all so well-informed about the Far East, and such devoted friends of China, that I do not need to expatiate on the situation there.

I have felt bound to portray the shadow which, alike in the west and in the east, falls upon the world. I was a high minister at the time of the Versailles Treaty and a close friend of Mr. Lloyd-George, who was the head of the British delegation at Versailles. I did not myself agree with many things that were done, but I have a very strong impression in my mind of that situation, and I find it painful to contrast it with that which prevails now. In those days there were high hopes and unbounded confidence that the wars were over, and that the League of Nations would become all-powerful. I do not see or feel that same confidence or even the same hopes in the haggard world at the present time.

On the other hand I repulse the idea that a new war is inevitable; still more that it is imminent. It is because I am sure that our fortunes are still in our own hands and that we hold the power to save the future, that I feel the duty to speak out now that I have the occasion and the opportunity to do so. I do not believe that Soviet Russia desires war. What they desire is the fruits of war and the indefinite expansion of their power and doctrines. But what we have to consider here to-day while time remains, is the permanent prevention of war and the establishment of conditions of freedom and democracy as rapidly as possible in all countries. Our difficulties and dangers will not be removed by closing our eyes to them. They will not be removed by mere waiting to see what happens; nor will they be removed by a policy of appeasement. What is needed is a settlement, and the longer this is delayed, the more difficult it will be and the greater our dangers will become.

From what I have seen of our Russian friends and Allies during the war, I am convinced that there is nothing they admire so much as strength, and there is nothing for which they have less respect than for weakness, especially military weakness. For that reason the old doctrine of a balance of power is unsound. We cannot afford, if we can help it, to work on narrow margins, offering temptations to a trial of strength. If the Western Democracies stand together in strict adherence to the principles of the United Nations Charter, their influence for furthering those principles will be immense and no one is likely to molest them. If however they become divided or falter in their duty and if these all-important years are allowed to slip away then indeed catastrophe may overwhelm us all.

Last time I saw it all coming and cried aloud to my own fellow-countrymen and to the world, but no one paid any attention. Up till the year 1933 or even 1935, Germany might have been saved from the awful fate which has overtaken her and we might all have been spared the miseries Hitler let loose upon mankind. There never was a war in all history easier to prevent by timely action than the one which has just desolated such great areas of the globe. It could have been prevented in my belief without the firing of a single shot, and Germany might be powerful, prosperous and honoured to-day; but no one would listen and one by one we were all sucked into the awful whirlpool. We surely must not let that happen again. This can only be achieved by reaching now, in 1946, a good understanding on all points with Russia under the general authority of the United Nations Organisation and by the maintenance of that good understanding through many peaceful years, by the world instrument, supported by the whole strength of the English-speaking world and all its connections. There is the solution which I respectfully offer to you in this Address to which I have given the title "The Sinews of Peace."

Let no man underrate the abiding power of the British Empire and Commonwealth. Because you see the 46 millions in our island harassed about their food supply, of which they only grow one half, even in war-time, or because we have difficulty in restarting our industries and export trade after six years of passionate war effort, do not suppose that we shall not come through these dark years of privation as we have come through the glorious years of agony, or that half a century from now, you will not see 70 or 80 millions of Britons spread about the world and united in defence of our traditions, our way of life, and of the world causes which you and we espouse. If the population of the English-speaking Commonwealths be added to that of the United States with all that such co-operation implies in the air, on the sea, all over the globe and in science and in industry, and in moral force, there will be no quivering, precarious balance of power to offer its temptation to ambition or adventure. On the contrary, there will be an overwhelming assurance of security. If we adhere faithfully to the Charter of the United Nations and walk forward in sedate and sober strength seeking no one's land or treasure, seeking to lay no arbitrary control upon the thoughts of men; if all British moral and material forces and convictions are joined with your own in fraternal association, the high-roads of the future will be clear, not only for us but for all, not only for our time, but for a century to come.

The text of Sir Winston Churchill's "The Sinews of Peace" speech is quoted in its entirety from Robert Rhodes James (ed.), Winston S. Churchill: His Complete Speeches 1897-1963 Volume VII: 1943-1949 (New York: Chelsea House Publishers, 1974) 7285-7293.

[msmoby]

Many people consider Churchill's "iron curtain speech" to be the beginning of the Cold War. Of course we now know that before this speech was made that the US and UK had made serious plans to invade Russia and this speech should be read in that context.

If this is rescuing Gypo - he will not thank you...

You might be referring to operation unthinkable

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable

There were TWO scenarios

1/ a RESPONSE to a surprise attack by the Soviets

2/ an attack on the Soviets...


Neither happened, yes  ? 

W.C simply said what was blooming obvious and only one side felt the need to physically erect a fence..


If you were a Pole, Hungarian or from the previously occupied Baltic States - just a few examples -  this 'need' to erect a buffer meant occupation and subjugation - in the latter States ' not AGAIN ' ...

Interesting... is andrewfi now suggesting such occupations were excusable  ?

[AvHdB]

I was thinking and assuming more that Gypsy would explain who was responsible for the physical creation of the 'Iron Curtain'. And perhaps to explain reasons why it was created.

Many people consider Churchill's "iron curtain speech" to be the beginning of the Cold War. Of course we now know that before this speech was made that the US and UK had made serious plans to invade Russia and this speech should be read in that context.

Without doubt the expression 'Iron Curtain' far predates this speech. The term can refer to metal barrier infront of a shop or used in theaters to slow the spread of flames, much like a fire door.

Educate us about the US and UK serious plans to invade Russia. I do not seem to recall Churchill involving himself with Russia to any large degree. British attempts to invade Russia ended more or less in the last quarter of the 19th century I understand. Having said this, I also recall both The United States and The United Kingdom were involved in the 11 flag expedition post World War One.

I am headed to some luncheon dinner thing and will get back to the subject.

[andrewfi]

Winston Churchill did not coin the term 'Iron Curtain', nor did I suggest that to be the case. Neither did Gipsy as can be seen from the words he wrote. However, I think he was the first to use it in this precise context.

I can only suggest that your recall is sadly lacking. There was a 'thing called The Second World War in which both the UK, lead by Winston Churchill, and Russia had a passing involvement - of course the job of winning the war was done by the USA.

You can do the education for yourself - self directed learning tends to be more effective than master/pupil anyway. Here's a head start for you though: CLICK HERE!

By the way, when you attempt to back fill and hide your obvious errors (or lack of knowledge) try to be, well, better at it.

[Wiz]

Hello campers

One can’t go to sleep and wake up in a beautiful sunshine day in the south of the UK, allowed to enjoy a cup of coffee and a ciggy. Then while smoking his first cigarette, (I know bad habit) open his email in-box and to his surprise to find it full of Trolling posts from the usual brigade of the ANONYMOUS and “well educated” American experts in every subject, shooting in every direction. It is like going to a saloon bar finding the usual big mouth fart ass shouting his wisdom to everybody.

It would be helpful if those big guns from the US divulge a bit of info about their expertise and subject of occupation to support their “ignorant subjective education” and not rely on the “Google lessons “ of Andrewfi, to tell us all that inaccurate information and think us, Europeans uneducated and ignorant like themselves.

As about you AvHdB, apart from your hobbies, sailing boats and horse riding in the karpathians, please tell us what is your other occupation and expertise to help us understand your objective points of view, when you open your mouth?

As I have more important things to do with my life, today, I will love you and leave you with the following question.

Nobody is wishing the American people to suffer or have a financial disaster that will affect the whole world, as it appears to be the path the US Neoliberals are driving your economy but….. can you tell us:


1.   Why the US administration is pushing so hard to impose to the EU, the TTIP agreement as they have already done to the 10 countries who signed the TPA one?

2.   Is it the kind of your generosity always offered to the suffering Europeans, as in the WWI and WWII and has nothing to do with your own interests for survival and domination of the 75% of the world?

3.   Don't you think it is clear that the US has given up 25%  of world influence to the BRICKS, who happen to be missing from both above agreements?

4.   Is it that you are more interested for your hegemony and not to share a more fair spheres of influence?

5.   May I remind you that you have won the war of independence and you were made bankrupt and accepted economical servitude to the Banksters from the UK?

6.   Who do you think is behind all these financial troubles around the world and can you rely on the real owners of the FED to save your bacon?

7.   Is history repeating its self again?

Originally posted on Russian insider:
The NEW US President

[Texan77]

6.   Who do you think is behind all these financial troubles around the world and can you rely on the real owners of the FED to save your bacon?

Lets work on just one question here. Much of the world had a FED bank much like the one the US has. As far as I know, they all pretty much have the same owners. That there is much that happen in this world that no one that was ever elected has anything to do with making it happen or the powerful shadow governments of the world are so powerful those that were elected had no choice but to follow.

The big weakness to our form of government is to promise entitlements to people to get votes then let the next man in office try to find away to pay for it. Guess what, this is not working. This is true in most of the world.

The world's FED banks which seem to encourage the process will keep everything going until they deem it time for a change. No they are not going to tell me anything about what that change is going to be but I doubt it is going to be pretty for most of the developed world.

Back in 1971 Nixon went to China and signed an agreement for trade that all but guaranteed China would grow at the expense of the USA. None of us voted on this or even wanted it.  Why would we sign a free trade agreement with a country who then could buy nothing and have nearly free labor. How this going to put Americans to work? Since then these so called trade agreements are not good for us but we keep having them anyway. 

So to answer the question; In the end the FED banks will not save us or the rest of the world. They are a part of the problem.

[Anteros]

Hey Gypo,
I'm anxiously awaiting your version of Iron Curtain history.  Meantime don't be buzzing us in International Waters again.  We've got full rights to put your airplanes in the brink just like we did against Libya back when Reagan was President. 

[Gipsy]

I was thinking and assuming more that Gypsy would explain who was responsible for the physical creation of the 'Iron Curtain'. And perhaps to explain reasons why it was created.

Many people consider Churchill's "iron curtain speech" to be the beginning of the Cold War. Of course we now know that before this speech was made that the US and UK had made serious plans to invade Russia and this speech should be read in that context.

Without doubt the expression 'Iron Curtain' far predates this speech. The term can refer to metal barrier infront of a shop or used in theaters to slow the spread of flames, much like a fire door.

Educate us about the US and UK serious plans to invade Russia. I do not seem to recall Churchill involving himself with Russia to any large degree. British attempts to invade Russia ended more or less in the last quarter of the 19th century I understand. Having said this, I also recall both The United States and The United Kingdom were involved in the 11 flag expedition post World War One.

I am headed to some luncheon dinner thing and will get back to the subject.

I have another more interesting life away from the forum, therefore instant reactions can sometimes be delayed, I have as you will see, started a new thread about the subjects.

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=25618.0;last_msg=438209

[Gipsy]

Hey Gypo,
I'm anxiously awaiting your version of Iron Curtain history.  Meantime don't be buzzing us in International Waters again.  We've got full rights to put your airplanes in the brink just like we did against Libya back when Reagan was President. 

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,25618.msg438209/topicseen.html#msg438209

Read and learn sonnyjim, read and learn..

Beware of putting plane flying in international airspace "In the brink" as you put it..

What Soviet planes, flown by Soviet pilots did you "put in the brink" during your failed Libyan escapade?

[Gipsy]

part two

I spoke earlier of the Temple of Peace. Workmen from all countries must build that temple. If two of the workmen know each other particularly well and are old friends, if their families are inter-mingled, and if they have "faith in each other's purpose, hope in each other's future and charity towards each other's shortcomings" - to quote some good words I read here the other day - why cannot they work together at the common task as friends and partners? Why cannot they share their tools and thus increase each other's working powers? Indeed they must do so or else the temple may not be built, or, being built, it may collapse, and we shall all be proved again unteachable and have to go and try to learn again for a third time in a school of war, incomparably more rigorous than that from which we have just been released. The dark ages may return, the Stone Age may return on the gleaming wings of science, and what might now shower immeasurable material blessings upon mankind, may even bring about its total destruction. Beware, I say; time may be short. Do not let us take the course of allowing events to drift along until it is too late. If there is to be a fraternal association of the kind I have described, with all the extra strength and security which both our countries can derive from it, let us make sure that that great fact is known to the world, and that it plays its part in steadying and stabilising the foundations of peace. There is the path of wisdom. Prevention is better than cure.

A shadow has fallen upon the scenes so lately lighted by the Allied victory. Nobody knows what Soviet Russia and its Communist international organisation intends to do in the immediate future, or what are the limits, if any, to their expansive and proselytising tendencies. I have a strong admiration and regard for the valiant Russian people and for my wartime comrade, Marshal Stalin. There is deep sympathy and goodwill in Britain - and I doubt not here also - towards the peoples of all the Russias and a resolve to persevere through many differences and rebuffs in establishing lasting friendships. We understand the Russian need to be secure on her western frontiers by the removal of all possibility of German aggression. We welcome Russia to her rightful place among the leading nations of the world. We welcome her flag upon the seas. Above all, we welcome constant, frequent and growing contacts between the Russian people and our own people on both sides of the Atlantic. It is my duty however, for I am sure you would wish me to state the facts as I see them to you, to place before you certain facts about the present position in Europe.

From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic, an iron curtain has descended across the Continent. Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of Central and Eastern Europe. Warsaw, Berlin, Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Belgrade, Bucharest and Sofia, all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Soviet sphere, and all are subject in one form or another, not only to Soviet influence but to a very high and, in many cases, increasing measure of control from Moscow. Athens alone - Greece with its immortal glories - is free to decide its future at an election under British, American and French observation. The Russian-dominated Polish Government has been encouraged to make enormous and wrongful inroads upon Germany, and mass expulsions of millions of Germans on a scale grievous and undreamed-of are now taking place. The Communist parties, which were very small in all these Eastern States of Europe, have been raised to pre-eminence and power far beyond their numbers and are seeking everywhere to obtain totalitarian control. Police governments are prevailing in nearly every case, and so far, except in Czechoslovakia, there is no true democracy.

Turkey and Persia are both profoundly alarmed and disturbed at the claims which are being made upon them and at the pressure being exerted by the Moscow Government. An attempt is being made by the Russians in Berlin to build up a quasi-Communist party in their zone of Occupied Germany by showing special favours to groups of left-wing German leaders. At the end of the fighting last June, the American and British Armies withdrew westwards, in accordance with an earlier agreement, to a depth at some points of 150 miles upon a front of nearly four hundred miles, in order to allow our Russian allies to occupy this vast expanse of territory which the Western Democracies had conquered.

If now the Soviet Government tries, by separate action, to build up a pro-Communist Germany in their areas, this will cause new serious difficulties in the British and American zones, and will give the defeated Germans the power of putting themselves up to auction between the Soviets and the Western Democracies. Whatever conclusions may be drawn from these facts - and facts they are - this is certainly not the Liberated Europe we fought to build up. Nor is it one which contains the essentials of permanent peace.

The safety of the world requires a new unity in Europe, from which no nation should be permanently outcast. It is from the quarrels of the strong parent races in Europe that the world wars we have witnessed, or which occurred in former times, have sprung. Twice in our own lifetime we have seen the United States, against their wishes and their traditions, against arguments, the force of which it is impossible not to comprehend, drawn by irresistible forces, into these wars in time to secure the victory of the good cause, but only after frightful slaughter and devastation had occurred. Twice the United States has had to send several millions of its young men across the Atlantic to find the war; but now war can find any nation, wherever it may dwell between dusk and dawn. Surely we should work with conscious purpose for a grand pacification of Europe, within the structure of the United Nations and in accordance with its Charter. That I feel is an open cause of policy of very great importance.

In front of the iron curtain which lies across Europe are other causes for anxiety. In Italy the Communist Party is seriously hampered by having to support the Communist-trained Marshal Tito's claims to former Italian territory at the head of the Adriatic. Nevertheless the future of Italy hangs in the balance. Again one cannot imagine a regenerated Europe without a strong France. All my public life I have worked for a strong France and I never lost faith in her destiny, even in the darkest hours. I will not lose faith now. However, in a great number of countries, far from the Russian frontiers and throughout the world, Communist fifth columns are established and work in complete unity and absolute obedience to the directions they receive from the Communist centre. Except in the British Commonwealth and in the United States where Communism is in its infancy, the Communist parties or fifth columns constitute a growing challenge and peril to Christian civilisation. These are sombre facts for anyone to have to recite on the morrow of a victory gained by so much splendid comradeship in arms and in the cause of freedom and democracy; but we should be most unwise not to face them squarely while time remains.

The outlook is also anxious in the Far East and especially in Manchuria. The Agreement which was made at Yalta, to which I was a party, was extremely favourable to Soviet Russia, but it was made at a time when no one could say that the German war might not extend all through the summer and autumn of 1945 and when the Japanese war was expected to last for a further 18 months from the end of the German war. In this country you are all so well-informed about the Far East, and such devoted friends of China, that I do not need to expatiate on the situation there.

I have felt bound to portray the shadow which, alike in the west and in the east, falls upon the world. I was a high minister at the time of the Versailles Treaty and a close friend of Mr. Lloyd-George, who was the head of the British delegation at Versailles. I did not myself agree with many things that were done, but I have a very strong impression in my mind of that situation, and I find it painful to contrast it with that which prevails now. In those days there were high hopes and unbounded confidence that the wars were over, and that the League of Nations would become all-powerful. I do not see or feel that same confidence or even the same hopes in the haggard world at the present time.

On the other hand I repulse the idea that a new war is inevitable; still more that it is imminent. It is because I am sure that our fortunes are still in our own hands and that we hold the power to save the future, that I feel the duty to speak out now that I have the occasion and the opportunity to do so. I do not believe that Soviet Russia desires war. What they desire is the fruits of war and the indefinite expansion of their power and doctrines. But what we have to consider here to-day while time remains, is the permanent prevention of war and the establishment of conditions of freedom and democracy as rapidly as possible in all countries. Our difficulties and dangers will not be removed by closing our eyes to them. They will not be removed by mere waiting to see what happens; nor will they be removed by a policy of appeasement. What is needed is a settlement, and the longer this is delayed, the more difficult it will be and the greater our dangers will become.

From what I have seen of our Russian friends and Allies during the war, I am convinced that there is nothing they admire so much as strength, and there is nothing for which they have less respect than for weakness, especially military weakness. For that reason the old doctrine of a balance of power is unsound. We cannot afford, if we can help it, to work on narrow margins, offering temptations to a trial of strength. If the Western Democracies stand together in strict adherence to the principles of the United Nations Charter, their influence for furthering those principles will be immense and no one is likely to molest them. If however they become divided or falter in their duty and if these all-important years are allowed to slip away then indeed catastrophe may overwhelm us all.

Last time I saw it all coming and cried aloud to my own fellow-countrymen and to the world, but no one paid any attention. Up till the year 1933 or even 1935, Germany might have been saved from the awful fate which has overtaken her and we might all have been spared the miseries Hitler let loose upon mankind. There never was a war in all history easier to prevent by timely action than the one which has just desolated such great areas of the globe. It could have been prevented in my belief without the firing of a single shot, and Germany might be powerful, prosperous and honoured to-day; but no one would listen and one by one we were all sucked into the awful whirlpool. We surely must not let that happen again. This can only be achieved by reaching now, in 1946, a good understanding on all points with Russia under the general authority of the United Nations Organisation and by the maintenance of that good understanding through many peaceful years, by the world instrument, supported by the whole strength of the English-speaking world and all its connections. There is the solution which I respectfully offer to you in this Address to which I have given the title "The Sinews of Peace."

Let no man underrate the abiding power of the British Empire and Commonwealth. Because you see the 46 millions in our island harassed about their food supply, of which they only grow one half, even in war-time, or because we have difficulty in restarting our industries and export trade after six years of passionate war effort, do not suppose that we shall not come through these dark years of privation as we have come through the glorious years of agony, or that half a century from now, you will not see 70 or 80 millions of Britons spread about the world and united in defence of our traditions, our way of life, and of the world causes which you and we espouse. If the population of the English-speaking Commonwealths be added to that of the United States with all that such co-operation implies in the air, on the sea, all over the globe and in science and in industry, and in moral force, there will be no quivering, precarious balance of power to offer its temptation to ambition or adventure. On the contrary, there will be an overwhelming assurance of security. If we adhere faithfully to the Charter of the United Nations and walk forward in sedate and sober strength seeking no one's land or treasure, seeking to lay no arbitrary control upon the thoughts of men; if all British moral and material forces and convictions are joined with your own in fraternal association, the high-roads of the future will be clear, not only for us but for all, not only for our time, but for a century to come.

The text of Sir Winston Churchill's "The Sinews of Peace" speech is quoted in its entirety from Robert Rhodes James (ed.), Winston S. Churchill: His Complete Speeches 1897-1963 Volume VII: 1943-1949 (New York: Chelsea House Publishers, 1974) 7285-7293.

Thanks Andy 

[Wiz]

6.   Who do you think is behind all these financial troubles around the world and can you rely on the real owners of the FED to save your bacon?

Lets work on just one question here. Much of the world had a FED bank much like the one the US has. As far as I know, they all pretty much have the same owners. That there is much that happen in this world that no one that was ever elected has anything to do with making it happen or the powerful shadow governments of the world are so powerful those that were elected had no choice but to follow.

The big weakness to our form of government is to promise entitlements to people to get votes then let the next man in office try to find away to pay for it. Guess what, this is not working. This is true in most of the world.

The world's FED banks which seem to encourage the process will keep everything going until they deem it time for a change. No they are not going to tell me anything about what that change is going to be but I doubt it is going to be pretty for most of the developed world.

Back in 1971 Nixon went to China and signed an agreement for trade that all but guaranteed China would grow at the expense of the USA. None of us voted on this or even wanted it.  Why would we sign a free trade agreement with a country who then could buy nothing and have nearly free labor. How this going to put Americans to work? Since then these so called trade agreements are not good for us but we keep having them anyway. 

So to answer the question; In the end the FED banks will not save us or the rest of the world. They are a part of the problem.

Well done Texan.....very well put it and we both agree the problem are the Bankers and the Neoliberal think tanks and politicians. I liked very much your objective view.

Small correction: other countries do not call their Central Banks FED but Bank o England, Bank Of Russia, Bank of Greece etc.and as you said all of them, apart of 3-4 that are independent, are owned by the same Banking cabal.

Can you kindly let us know what you do for living, as I have already asked in my previous post?

Would you try to answer my other questions as you seen to be knowledgeable unlike the other ANONYMUS trolls?

I guess it is you on the Avatar? ... Am I right?

[Texan77]

I rent housing to low income people as my main source of income.  Yes my avatar is me and I am holding a camera. I also do some photography and video work. The reason for the Question I answered, it was one I thought I could answer without doing any research.

[AvHdB]

Winston Churchill did not coin the term 'Iron Curtain', nor did I suggest that to be the case. Neither did Gipsy as can be seen from the words he wrote. However, I think he was the first to use it in this precise context.

I can only suggest that your recall is sadly lacking. There was a 'thing called The Second World War in which both the UK, lead by Winston Churchill, and Russia had a passing involvement - of course the job of winning the war was done by the USA.

You can do the education for yourself - self directed learning tends to be more effective than master/pupil anyway. Here's a head start for you though: CLICK HERE!

By the way, when you attempt to back fill and hide your obvious errors (or lack of knowledge) try to be, well, better at it.

Thanks for the link interesting

Many people consider Churchill's "iron curtain speech" to be the beginning of the Cold War. Of course we now know that before this speech was made that the US and UK had made serious plans to invade Russia and this speech should be read in that context.

These words from the speech are, I suggest, why this speech was a declaration of war.
Note, in particular the following words:

For that reason the old doctrine of a balance of power is unsound. We cannot afford, if we can help it, to work on narrow margins, offering temptations to a trial of strength.

I remember reading and using the speech when I was a snot nose in an Ukraine school back in the States.

Andrew (and others) have in the past insulted, ridiculed and other wise belittled other posters, who can not get there facts such as nations correct. So while perhaps yesterday was something of a Moby swerve on your part. I will try to restate the obvious because something is not working in your brain. I wonder though was all the weight you lost in the cerebral cavity.

So to say again Churchill did not negotiate with Russia, when he was meeting in Yalta and Postdam, Stalin was representing the Soviet Union. Even Churchill in his speech got it correct.

As for the term "Iron Curtain' it seems the first political usage is The first recorded application of the term to The Soviet Union, than in its infancy, comes from V. Rozanov's in The Apocalypse of Our Times in 1918. It is not impossible that W. Churchill read this in an English translation of 1920. Below is the passage.

"With clanging, creaking, and squeaking, an iron curtain is lowering over Russian History.'The performance is over.' The audience got up. "Time to put on your fur coats and go home." We looked around, but the fur coats and homes were missing."

[Wiz]

I rent housing to low income people as my main source of income.  Yes my avatar is me and I am holding a camera. I also do some photography and video work. The reason for the Question I answered, it was one I thought I could answer without doing any research.

Thank you very much for your reply. 

You just proved my view that anybody who is not a troll and has the intention to make objective discussion or debate for any subject, on this and other forums, does not hide behind anonymity and is willing to express openly his own views.

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

Evelyn Beatrice Hall - English writer 1868 -1956

People like you deserve and get my respect!