wiring an electric plug in Russia

[Markje]

So specialist It earthing arrangements exist to deal with earth leakage for what exact reason?
Go down to B&Q this weekend and tell a few confused looking guys what you know. Odds are you'll be reading about some if not all of them again.

It's like LFTS.

You just enjoy a good discussion, right ?

[AKA Luke]

4 pages ago he said nobody connects the earth.

Pre-1997, do keep up.



Dutch houses are full of them, please tell me where to connect the ground-wire.

Mark.

It's 2015....keep up.


So where did you remove the earth connection from then?

[AKA Luke]

4 pages ago he said nobody connects the earth.

Pre-1997, do keep up.



Dutch houses are full of them, please tell me where to connect the ground-wire.

Mark.

As well as type F sockets. If you plug an item that needs an earth into one of those type c sockets you are as previously stated french connectioned.

[michaeldunha]

Do you even know how to identify class 2 equipment/double insulated? 
As I've previously said computers are fitted with voltage filters L-E and N-E

Keep on bashing, i wont respond anymore. The picture says it all.

Now you question my knowledge of identifying double-insulated equipment.

Its easy, it says so on the appliance sticker on the back with a double square .

The picture? That was not an electrical diagram, you either have a live, neutral and earth wire going to your computer or not.
If it's a laptop then only a low voltage dc supply actually is supplied via a transformer.

[Markje]

Computers arent double insulated you numpty. They have earth leakage so require an earth.

Mine is, but I guess you couldn't have known that, I agree that standard computers are not.

Ffs you're painful and should just admit you don't know a fraction of what you think you do.

Assuming is the mother of all   ups. You just don't have all the facts, therefore you do not know what I do or do not know.

Free electricity.. .it's fromantic your supply so it's been past your meter.

It was a joke, I guess the icon wasn't clear enough on that.  I will remark future attempts as humour like this: (joke!).

Please keep up.

No thanks, I have other things todo than keep defending my knowledge against electricians who think they know it all.

And yes, I know just as much as I need to about electric currents, more so than normal people , and much more than computer-geeks in general.

I might not know all the building-codes, etc. by heart, but I could look them up if I thought it would help this discussion, but you seem pre-destined not to believe me, so i wont bother.

[michaeldunha]

4 pages ago he said nobody connects the earth.

Pre-1997, do keep up.



Dutch houses are full of them, please tell me where to connect the ground-wire.

Mark.

Yes but they will say for use with class 2 equipment ONLY

[AKA Luke]

Update: some desktops have earth connections some don't.

Here it's standard practice, considering the casings are typically metal. Mine is anyway, excuse me if plastic is the norm I'm not into IT but most of the computers chassis are metal afaik

[AKA Luke]

Computers arent double insulated you numpty. They have earth leakage so require an earth.

Mine is, but I guess you couldn't have known that, I agree that standard computers are not.

Ffs you're painful and should just admit you don't know a fraction of what you think you do.

Assuming is the mother of all  ups. You just don't have all the facts, therefore you do not know what I do or do not know.

Free electricity.. .it's fromantic your supply so it's been past your meter.

It was a joke, I guess the icon wasn't clear enough on that.  I will remark future attempts as humour like this: (joke!).

Please keep up.

No thanks, I have other things todo than keep defending my knowledge against electricians who think they know it all.

And yes, I know just as much as I need to about electric currents, more so than normal people , and much more than computer-geeks in general.

I might not know all the building-codes, etc. by heart, but I could look them up if I thought it would help this discussion, but you seem pre-destined not to believe me, so i wont bother.

So you're admitting you're not electrically qualified in any way?

You don't even understand earthing which is 101. You keep beating that chest and shouting about physics knowledge.

The ironic thing is naff all has changed regarding the principles of electricity so it doesn't matter how long ago you studied you should be aware.

But since you're too shy to explain your level of qualification I'm left to Assume and from what you write and how far off the mark you are ($1000s to fit an RCD) I'm assuming it was basic and a long time ago.

I'll be advising Andrewfi on the economy next week, I've been to the bank you know?

[AKA Luke]

Who mentioned building codes? Manny? Sparky? Chris?

Everyone but me then 

[michaeldunha]

You get this wrong and people die, even at low voltages!!

Aha so now you agree with me about low voltages. 

Also, I wasn't offering this up as advice, just as a personal experience of what happened to my electricity in NL.

Double insulated still require good grounding, but its less lethal if its absent.

Double insulated equipment requires grounding?  Does not the absence of an earth wire give you a clue?

4 pages ago he said nobody connects the earth.

There is no telling the man.

Filters? Class 2 refers to the insulation and wiring.

They really should close the coffee shops down.

Yes filters in order to filter out voltage spikes, again this is something that needs to be taken into consideration when designing an installation containing large amounts of IT equipment.

[Markje]

So you're admitting you're not electrically qualified in any way?

Now you didn't hear me say that. Don't put words in my mouth.

You don't even understand earthing which is 101. You keep beating that chest and shouting about physics knowledge.

You don't understand the real life situation but try to apply generic rules to whats here in my house . choosing to disbelieve me. Come visit, check it out yourself if it bothers you that much.

The ironic thing is naff all has changed regarding the principles of electricity so it doesn't matter how long ago you studied you should be aware.

But since you're too shy to explain your level of qualification I'm left to Assume and from what you write and how far off the mark you are ($1000s to fit an RCD) I'm assuming it was basic and a long time ago.

I won't put it on display either, since you will disbelieve that too  $1000 to fit a ground-breaker is about right. It involves more than buying a piece of machinery in my closet which doesn't cost $1000, it also involves pushing all the earth wires through the house, modifying sockets ,etc. I am sure if you are a qualified electrician your bill will not be $150. Electricians usually cost about $60/hour, they will be busy at least 1 day, = 480 + machine $150 + wiring ($50?), Thats close to 700 euro from the top of my head, so I made a safe bet at 1000.

I'll be advising Andrewfi on the economy next week, I've been to the bank you know?

Good for you. I hope he listens.

Mark.

[Markje]

Update: some desktops have earth connections some don't.

Here it's standard practice, considering the casings are typically metal. Mine is anyway, excuse me if plastic is the norm I'm not into IT but most of the computers chassis are metal afaik

Mine is a custom built 100% glass case , really pretty.

The one I had when I got that shock of 100V was metal.

[AKA Luke]

So you're admitting you're not electrically qualified in any way?

Now you didn't hear me say that. Don't put words in my mouth.

You don't even understand earthing which is 101. You keep beating that chest and shouting about physics knowledge.

You don't understand the real life situation but try to apply generic rules to whats here in my house . choosing to disbelieve me. Come visit, check it out yourself if it bothers you that much.

The ironic thing is naff all has changed regarding the principles of electricity so it doesn't matter how long ago you studied you should be aware.

But since you're too shy to explain your level of qualification I'm left to Assume and from what you write and how far off the mark you are ($1000s to fit an RCD) I'm assuming it was basic and a long time ago.

I won't put it on display either, since you will disbelieve that too  $1000 to fit a ground-breaker is about right. It involves more than buying a piece of machinery in my closet which doesn't cost $1000, it also involves pushing all the earth wires through the house, modifying sockets ,etc. I am sure if you are a qualified electrician your bill will not be $150. Electricians usually cost about $60/hour, they will be busy at least 1 day, = 480 + machine $150 + wiring ($50?), Thats close to 700 euro from the top of my head, so I made a safe bet at 1000.

I'll be advising Andrewfi on the economy next week, I've been to the bank you know?

Good for you. I hope he listens.

Mark.

So dutch houses have no earth wires anywhere? I find that hard to believe in modern Europe unless your house is very old and outdated wiring.

Even more of a reason to have extraneous bonding on your water and gas and rad pipes connected to your main incoming earth terminal. Keep them all at the same potential.

So clarify what you did when you removed the earth connection please...

[Markje]

So dutch houses have no earth wires anywhere? I find that hard to believe in modern Europe unless your house is very old and outdated wiring.

You don't read obviously, I already stated where and where not earlier.
Any house pre-1997 built, will not have earth wiring in any room except the bathroom/toilet and garden.
Since my house is built 1972, thats affirmative for me.

Even more of a reason to have extraneous bonding on your water and gas and rad pipes connected to your main incoming earth terminal. Keep them all at the same potential.

That I can agree with.

So clarify what you did when you removed the earth connection please...

I removed a potentially dangerous situation from becoming a hazard by removing a live wire of 100V (coded green-yellow & attached to the ground-pins of the wallsockets,  to make stuff even worse!)  which touches almost all metal conductive housing of appliances.

I will still need to replace it, with a proper grounded earth wire from my electric cabinet in the hallway.

See my self-made drawing earlier for further clarification.

[Herrie]

Markje: We got stadsverwarming too here in our mid 70's complex. City was busy replacing some parts a couple of months ago, so I can tell you it was not copper ;-) It was brown rust on it, no green stuff you'd commonly see as oxidation on copper ;-)

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[Markje]

Markje: We got stadsverwarming too here in our mid 70's complex. City was busy replacing some parts a couple of months ago, so I can tell you it was not copper ;-) It was brown rust on it, no green stuff you'd commonly see as oxidation on copper ;-)

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I have decided not to care if it is copper or not, they're both excellent conductors.

I am also not caring enough to dig up the street to find out All I know it will be copper from my house until it hits the city-street because that part was dug up when they made my 'glasvezel' internet

[Herrie]

On our grounding/earthing situation in our mid 70's apartment complex: There's a thick metal wire (8mm diameter or more) running through all floors and each "main box" is connected to it. Then from the main box you have several groups (originally 4 in my case) of 10/16A fuses running, by default only the "kitchen" and "bathroom" group had a yellow/green wire, which was connected to the thick metal wire indirectly via the main box. I "upgraded" my "main box" to a modern one with more groups and no more fuses that need replacing. Re-ran all wiring because the sockets were at 105cm and moved them to 30cm now and right away added a green/yellow wire which is properly connected in the main box. So now I can ground equipment that has a connected grounding pin (pc with metal case, Panasonic plasma, AV receiver etc). I don't know the jargon in English so I kept it in laymans terms ;-)

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[Ste]

I'm googling 'electricity' so I can join in, give me 10 minutes....


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[Markje]

On our grounding/earthing situation in our mid 70's apartment complex: There's a thick metal wire (8mm diameter or more) running through all floors and each "main box" is connected to it. Then from the main box you have several groups (originally 4 in my case) of 10/16A fuses running, by default only the "kitchen" and "bathroom" group had a yellow/green wire, which was connected to the thick metal wire indirectly via the main box. I "upgraded" my "main box" to a modern one with more groups and no more fuses that need replacing. Re-ran all wiring because the sockets were at 105cm and moved them to 30cm now and right away added a green/yellow wire which is properly connected in the main box. So now I can ground equipment that has a connected grounding pin (pc with metal case, Panasonic plasma, AV receiver etc). I don't know the jargon in English so I kept it in laymans terms ;-)

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So you updated the work that I still need doing. And from the sound of it, your apartment was built with the same code as my house. Without proper grounding.

[Herrie]

On our grounding/earthing situation in our mid 70's apartment complex: There's a thick metal wire (8mm diameter or more) running through all floors and each "main box" is connected to it. Then from the main box you have several groups (originally 4 in my case) of 10/16A fuses running, by default only the "kitchen" and "bathroom" group had a yellow/green wire, which was connected to the thick metal wire indirectly via the main box. I "upgraded" my "main box" to a modern one with more groups and no more fuses that need replacing. Re-ran all wiring because the sockets were at 105cm and moved them to 30cm now and right away added a green/yellow wire which is properly connected in the main box. So now I can ground equipment that has a connected grounding pin (pc with metal case, Panasonic plasma, AV receiver etc). I don't know the jargon in English so I kept it in laymans terms ;-)

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So you updated the work that I still need doing. And from the sound of it, your apartment was built with the same code as my house. Without proper grounding.

We have proper grounding It's a thick wire running from ground floor up till 10th floor. Quite sure it's earthed somewhere on the ground floor but never cared to verify personally

[Markje]

We have proper grounding It's a thick wire running from ground floor up till 10th floor. Quite sure it's earthed somewhere on the ground floor but never cared to verify personally

I meant 2 rooms had proper grounding before your upgrades. Sorry for the confusion.

[Herrie]

We have proper grounding It's a thick wire running from ground floor up till 10th floor. Quite sure it's earthed somewhere on the ground floor but never cared to verify personally

I meant 2 rooms had proper grounding before your upgrades. Sorry for the confusion.

Yeah and now all Anyway needed to rewire 80% so did all Lost 2 sockets due to PVC being broken when they pored the concrete during build but well, other than that, all fine and working Added TV cable, speaker cable, usb charging sockets etc as well

[Herrie]

Our old main box and the earthing/grounding wire

[Boris]

Our old main box and the earthing/grounding wire

I had to replace one like this (though a little larger) in my house. The main part of my house was built in 1947.

[Chris]

Moby, whatever you do don't start a topic on how to re-pipe or plumb in a gas fire in Russia, for gawds sake!