Anastasia.com scam or real?

[sharonhaber00]

As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.

Such analogy is inappropriate.

Such an exploitation of humans basic needs to another's self beneficial is inappropriate.

[chelseaboy]

If so many idiotic foreign men didn't go to Ukraine in the mistaken belief they can buy a girls love/affection,then there would be no prodaters/scammers. 

It's these men that have created the situation in Ukraine among dishonest agency girls,as they have in other parts of the world,such as latin America.

They think their money can buy them anything they want,including any 19 year old blonde Ukrainian hottie that catches their fancy.

These kind of guys deserve to get fleeced IMO.

[missAmeno]

As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.

Such analogy is inappropriate.

Such an exploitation of humans basic needs to another's self beneficial is inappropriate.

  Since when dreaming about marrying and/or sleeping with FSU girls become humans basic needs?

[sharonhaber00]

As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.

Such analogy is inappropriate.

Such an exploitation of humans basic needs to another's self beneficial is inappropriate.

  Since when dreaming about marrying and/or sleeping with FSU girls become humans basic needs?

[missAmeno]

As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.

Such analogy is inappropriate.

Such an exploitation of humans basic needs to another's self beneficial is inappropriate.

  Since when dreaming about marrying and/or sleeping with FSU girls become humans basic needs?

Sharon, men have option to fulfill those basic needs dreams in their own country, still they choose to look elsewhere and many amongst them make that choice because they would like to exploit youth and beauty of the girls on financial disparity. Not all guys like that but also not all women are scammers.

[sharonhaber00]

Sharon, men have option to fulfill those basic needs dreams in their own country, still they choose to look elsewhere and many amongst them make that choice because they would like to exploit youth and beauty of the girls on financial disparity. Not all guys like that but also not all women are scammers.

Oh yea MissA, I meant specifically to the gal (and her kind) that John saw in shopping center fleeced some sucker(s) from his hard earn  . Maybe that/those poor guy(s) had hope to have her close... closeness to the girl's body is a male basic need/dream...whatever the country it takes place. It may be the wrong reason to go overseas for that purpose, but it does happen, mainly because they don't have it at home. But is it justify to rip them off like that? What is their crime?

[Tom Cat]

Oh yea MissA, I meant specifically to the gal (and her kind) that John saw in shopping center fleeced some sucker(s) from his hard earn  . Maybe that/those poor guy(s) had hope to have her close... closeness to the girl's body is a male basic need/dream...whatever the country it takes place. It may be the wrong reason to go overseas for that purpose, but it does happen, mainly because they don't have it at home. But is it justify to rip them off like that? What is their crime?

I will never understand how any man could read the hype from these sites, and believe all to be true?
Anastasia offers to you the possibility to communicate with women, from there it is up to you to make a wise choice.
I can say I had very good results using them, and I can say I made a few poor choices and the results were not as I had hoped.
From the very beginning, you can take control of your communications, by asking straight forward questions.
I have found almost 100% of the time if you are honest with your expectations and express to these ladies what you are looking for they will be honest with you.

[missAmeno]

Oh yea MissA, I meant specifically to the gal (and her kind) that John saw in shopping center fleeced some sucker(s) from his hard earn  . Maybe that/those poor guy(s) had hope to have her close... closeness to the girl's body is a male basic need/dream...whatever the country it takes place. It may be the wrong reason to go overseas for that purpose, but it does happen, mainly because they don't have it at home. But is it justify to rip them off like that? What is their crime?

How do you know what kind of gal she is? How do you know for sure she have been fleecing that guy? How do you know he is not her boyfriend/husband/lover? How do you know goods been bought for personal use and not for some project? How can anyone be sure she returned to shop next day for the commission and not returned some unwanted/faulty goods? And why some guys jump to conclusion girl is fleecing if guy pays? Do you know that some guys offer to pay for many things for girls without expectation of sexual closeness?

[chelseaboy]

missAmeno,

               It was stated that two victims were seen plucked within a few days of each other.

Sure sounds like a prodater at work to me,in business with a certain shop.

[JayH]

missAmeno,

               It was stated that two victims were seen plucked within a few days of each other.

Sure sounds like a prodater at work to me,in business with a certain shop.

John's example may be flawed( as missA says) -- but the principle remains-- this example and others like it do happen.

[missAmeno]

missAmeno,

               It was stated that two victims were seen plucked within a few days of each other.

Sure sounds like a prodater at work to me,in business with a certain shop.

But wasnt stated it was by the same girl either. How much one need to stay in front of a women's clothing store to see someone buying something (knowing exactly how much they paid) then see same person next day to come back for the commission (knowing exactly it was the commission), and then few days later see similar story?

Specially a women's clothing store that sells underwear?     
And do you think guys buy underwear to girl if they just hope to have her close or actually when they both enjoy the closeness? 

People have ability to see what they want to see if they really want it. My 4yo confident he seen a monster under his bed too.


Edit: one more question    : why on earth prodater have to work with a certain shop? Why she just dont return goods and take money in full?

[JayH]

My 4yo confident he seen a monster under his bed too.

Did the monster speak Welsh? Can't blame the kid for being frightened!!!

[AvHdB]

My 4yo confident he seen a monster under his bed too.

Did the monster speak Welsh? Can't blame the kid for being frightened!!!

What does Welsh sound like with a Russian accent?

[missAmeno]

Did the monster speak Welsh? Can't blame the kid for being frightened!!!

My son understands and speaks a bit Welsh so that would not frighten him.

What does Welsh sound like with a Russian accent?

My Welsh limited to Bore da, Nos da, Cariad and Diolch 

But what is really scary that my english starting to get welsh accent 

[NS1]

MissA careful, something tells me the Welsh accent is not near as sexy as the Russian one

[sashathecat]

Edit: one more question    : why on earth prodater have to work with a certain shop? Why she just dont return goods and take money in full?

Maybe she wanted to keep the clothes? 

My wife worked for a large agency and although never took part of this type of thing has many stories about her coworkers. Not sure this was the case mentioned above as we do not have proof but it is a very common thing. Couple examples below -

When men would send the women perfume they were obligated to show pictures receiving the gift.
The agency would always have an empty box of the perfume on hand for the photo. The agency and girl would split the inflated cost of the perfume and walk away with cash.

Flowers. Girls would just walk over to florist and snap a photo holding a bunch of roses and money would go into their pocket instead. Or one bunch of roses would work for 20 women at the agency that day.

Clothing. Women have deals with certain stores and receive kickbacks or return the dresses to split the profit with the store owner.

Restaurants give kickbacks and incentives to the women and terps for using their establishments.

[sharonhaber00]

My wife worked for a large agency

Can you address that agency, so new comers and potential victims will avoid them?

[sashathecat]

My wife worked for a large agency

Can you address that agency, so new comers and potential victims will avoid them?

I never asked my wife the name of the agency but will find out. It is one of the largest in Odessa that feeds into Anastasia. I do not think they even have a website. They just make profit from the affiliate revenue.

I learned quite a bit about agencies while dating my wife. She would tell me about how things worked and the outcomes and reasons for failures of dates between men and women.  It was interesting to hear the other side of the story at the time.

[sharonhaber00]

My wife worked for a large agency

Can you address that agency, so new comers and potential victims will avoid them?

I never asked my wife the name of the agency but will find out. It is one of the largest in Odessa that feeds into Anastasia. I do not think they even have a website. They just make profit from the affiliate revenue.

I learned quite a bit about agencies while dating my wife. She would tell me about how things worked and the outcomes and reasons for failures of dates between men and women.  It was interesting to hear the other side of the story at the time.

Your wife's knowledge can be a great beneficial for wife seekers overseas keep posting

[AvHdB]

I learned quite a bit about agencies while dating my wife. She would tell me about how things worked and the outcomes and reasons for failures of dates between men and women.  It was interesting to hear the other side of the story at the time.

Sascha,

While I am not sure it will help the helpless it would be interesting to hear your wife's observations as well as opinions.

Perhaps you can convince her to post them. Maybe with a request of no comment just her observations of foreign guys in Odessa.

AvHdB

[sashathecat]

While I am not sure it will help the helpless it would be interesting to hear your wife's observations as well as opinions.

Perhaps you can convince her to post them. Maybe with a request of no comment just her observations of foreign guys in Odessa.

She is not so much into forum discussions and like most Ukrainian women prefers to keep her privacy but I can ask her questions and have some knowledge from our conversations.

Foreign guys in Odessa... Not very good observations about most men that come to Odessa.
My wife actually grew to dislike Americans until she met me I am told.

Most of the issues with the guys boil down to unrealistic expectations and character flaws.

[missAmeno]

Edit: one more question    : why on earth prodater have to work with a certain shop? Why she just dont return goods and take money in full?

Maybe she wanted to keep the clothes? 

My wife worked for a large agency and although never took part of this type of thing has many stories about her coworkers. Not sure this was the case mentioned above as we do not have proof but it is a very common thing. Couple examples below -

When men would send the women perfume they were obligated to show pictures receiving the gift.
The agency would always have an empty box of the perfume on hand for the photo. The agency and girl would split the inflated cost of the perfume and walk away with cash.

Flowers. Girls would just walk over to florist and snap a photo holding a bunch of roses and money would go into their pocket instead. Or one bunch of roses would work for 20 women at the agency that day.

Clothing. Women have deals with certain stores and receive kickbacks or return the dresses to split the profit with the store owner.

Restaurants give kickbacks and incentives to the women and terps for using their establishments.

Sasha, of course many agencies and many girls scamming guys. But what guys expect? Warm welcome and gratitude for their attention? 95% of guys never get on the plane. Are they any better from girls scammers? Those guys scamm girls time and emotions. How many from them dont have intentions to visit FSU in 1st place? How many from them married?
Now those 5% who get on plane still include sex tourists, "damaged" and all sorts of controlling freaks. Lets assume its 50/50. So its 2.5% of decent guys with serious intentions who go to FSU to find a wife.

Anyone would like to give guesstimate how many decent honest FSU girls with serious intentions looking for western husband? I doubt its 2.5% or even close to such low percent. So in the big picture who is getting scammed more?



As of shops/restaurants ... its almost like loyalty cards in western countries ... just instead of discounts and points you get cash rewards 
Western style with FSU interpretation 

[missAmeno]

As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.

....I meant specifically to the gal (and her kind) that John saw in shopping center ...

And "that brothel" been reference to what? A women's clothing store? Anastasia? Ukraine? 

[sharonhaber00]

As an escort it's the worst "service" one can hire in that brothel. Lots of rip off and no sex included.

....I meant specifically to the gal (and her kind) that John saw in shopping center ...

And "that brothel" been reference to what? A women's clothing store? Anastasia? Ukraine? 

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=13031.msg187253#msg187253

[sashathecat]

Sasha, of course many agencies and many girls scamming guys. But what guys expect? Warm welcome and gratitude for their attention?

I think guys (and women) should at least have a fighting chance at finding someone. A little honesty from all sides would be nice.

95%  of guys never get on the plane. Are they any better from girls scammers? Those guys scamm girls time and emotions. How many from them dont have intentions to visit FSU in 1st place? How many from them married?

So many unique situations. A guy who loses his parents to cancer and can no longer afford to visit a woman in my book is better than a woman who is married and making money chatting while waiting for him to come and buy her $600 shoes. A man who is married (and there are MANY of these) getting his rocks off while wasting an honest woman's time is obviously in the wrong. There are many people who lose in this endeavor unfortunately.

Now those 5% who get on plane still include sex tourists, "damaged" and all sorts of controlling freaks. Lets assume its 50/50. So its 2.5% of decent guys with serious intentions who go to FSU to find a wife.

I think you are giving way too much credit to the guys on this one

Anyone would like to give guesstimate how many decent honest FSU girls with serious intentions looking for western husband? I doubt its 2.5% or even close to such low percent. So in the big picture who is getting scammed more?

I would say that the number of honest, good women far exceeds the number of eligible men looking that actually visit. I have no hard facts, but from what I am told it appears that way to me. My wife had good looking clients with good professions that never had a man visit them.

Who is getting scammed more? Not sure to be honest. We could argue until we turn blue.
What constitutes a scam? Writing fake love letters? Promising multiple women marriage to dump all but one in the end? Shopping sprees on the guy's dime? Marrying someone to escape issues?

My wife was accused of scamming a guy at one point. The woman the guy gave an engagement ring to (first trip to Ukraine) decided not to marry him and since my wife was the translator both women were scamming him of course. She was fined and had a hard time paying bills because one guy could not take the rejection.

As of shops/restaurants ... its almost like loyalty cards in western countries ... just instead of discounts and points you get cash rewards 
Western style with FSU interpretation 

Yea, the restaurant benefits is not such a big deal, I agree.