Migrants coming to the EU via boat...

[Manny]

As bad as their situation might be, these are the ones we don't really need. The US could easily swallow 10k or 20k of those and dump them in the Dakotas, Wyoming, Montana, Alaska or someplace nobody else wants to live. As could Canada.

And how many economic migrants from Central and South America do you lot take in? 

We haven't been invading central and south America or funding terrorist groups there.

Nothing wrong with pointing them toward the Gulf States, where they already share a religion, language, culture, etc.--oh, right, except the Gulf States Won't Take Them.  Who are the 'infidels' again?

True that.

[Markje]

Isn't Putin a pal of the Syrians? He could ship a few out to some gulag or the other.

Russia (putin & lavrov) already said Syrian refugees are welcome in Russia for safety and temporary residency until the war is over.

Syrians are not interested.

[Manny]

Isn't Putin a pal of the Syrians? He could ship a few out to some gulag or the other.

Russia (putin & lavrov) already said Syrian refugees are welcome in Russia for safety and temporary residency until the war is over.

Syrians are not interested.

Russia already has a million refugees from Ukraine anyway.

[Dogsoldier]

Isn't Putin a pal of the Syrians? He could ship a few out to some gulag or the other.

Russia (putin & lavrov) already said Syrian refugees are welcome in Russia for safety and temporary residency until the war is over.

Syrians are not interested.

Russia already has a million refugees from Ukraine anyway.

Russia has a vast hinterland, a hundred million would get lost there.

[Dogsoldier]

Isn't Putin a pal of the Syrians? He could ship a few out to some gulag or the other.

Russia (putin & lavrov) already said Syrian refugees are welcome in Russia for safety and temporary residency until the war is over.

Syrians are not interested.

What a surprise.

[Dogsoldier]

There is no problem of the definition of refugee that stipulates poverty. The word refugee refers to one who seeks refuge.

Just because you might be envious of some bloke's clothes does not lessen his loss. Do you think those well dressed refugees have not lost homes,  families, businesses possessions and most of all safety?

Truly some of what is written here snacks of envy,  but iI see very little to be envious of.

Envious? Where on earth do you get that idea from?
Isnt it true that substantial numbers are arriving in Turkey? As far as I know Turkey is a safe country. They could quite easily stay in Turkey and start life anew in not unfamiliar surroundings. Yet they choose to disregard this safe country and journey on to more comfortable environs.
Refugees? I think not.
They are not looking for safety but a location which will offer the best return on their investment.

[B.B.]

Isn't Putin a pal of the Syrians? He could ship a few out to some gulag or the other.

Russia (putin & lavrov) already said Syrian refugees are welcome in Russia for safety and temporary residency until the war is over.

Syrians are not interested.

Russia has accepted two Syrians as refugees (this information taken from the Moscow Times on 8 September; I picked up a copy while boarding an Aeroflot flight back to the States), which is 2 more than the Gulf States.

Evidently some number of Syrians have been permitted to transit Russia to enter Western Europe via Norway and Finland.

We haven't been invading central and south America or funding terrorist groups there.

Except your point was about finding a dumping ground.

B/B

[leslied]

Around 20 young children have washed up on Turkish beaches in the last week or so.  This is reported at a low level on Turkish media, but so far I have failed to see a single report on the western news sources I browse.

To me this just demonstrates just how fickle the western media spot light is.

The other issue which is not being reported is who controls the people traffickers in Turkey??  Surely not ISIL! or the PKK!

Think again.  The Turkish mobsters have been muscled out...

[cufflinks]

EU Refugee Crisis Is "the Single Biggest Threat to Your Money Today"

By TARA CLARKE, Associate Editor, Money Morning • @TaraKateClarke • September 18, 2015

Subject: EU Refugee Crisis Is "the Single Biggest Threat to Your Money Today"

The desperate EU refugee crisis is a humanitarian emergency, a logistical nightmare, a political hot potato, and a security risk.

But what isn't being addressed by major media outlets – yet, at least – is the refugee crisis' effect on global markets…

And investors need to prepare for what's coming.

"The migrant crisis is by far the single biggest threat to your money today. You're not hearing about this at the moment, but you will in the months ahead," Money Morning Chief Investment Strategist Keith Fitz-Gerald told his Total Wealth research service readers on Sept. 16.

Fitz-Gerald called the situation in Europe considerably more dangerous than an impending Fed rate hike, and much more worrisome than China's economic slowdown.

"As was the case in 2007 with the Financial Crisis when most viewed it as a localized $300 billion problem and I warned you otherwise, the refugee crisis is a truly global situation, the seriousness of which is unparalleled in modern times," he said.

"Already strained public finances are going to get crushed – that's not yet registered for most people."
You see, potentially millions of people are pouring into Europe – a massive economic impact at a time when the European Union (EU) is almost totally unprepared to handle a rolling parade of desperation…

EU Refugee Crisis: The Overwhelming Numbers in Perspective

According to the International Organization for Migration (IOM), more than 350,000 migrants were detected at the EU's borders just from January to August 2015. That compares with 280,000 detections for all of 2014. The estimate does not include the many that got in undetected.

Eurostat reports that the EU never settled more than 7,400 refugees a year between 2008 and 2014. Germany alone, which receives the most asylum applications in the EU, is expecting 800,000 refugees to arrive this year. According to the United Nations (UN), roughly 3,000 people are expected to cross into Macedonia every day in coming months; more than 34,000 migrants were detected crossing from Serbia into Hungary in July alone.

"Put very simply, the refugee crisis is the largest single human movement in Europe since WWII, and a religio-sociographic earthquake the likes of which the world hasn't seen for centuries," Fitz-Gerald said.

In the short-term, Fitz-Gerald expects humanity concerns will collide with housing needs and integration. "Already strained public finances are going to get crushed – that's not yet registered for most people."

Fitz-Gerald believes if Europe is to pull out of this, its self-interested officials must involve business leaders and private finance in making rapid policy changes. That's because business leaders are far more direct than their political counterparts.

Here's how the EU refugee crisis will impact the global economy – and what investors can do now to get ahead of the chaos…

Why the EU Refugee Crisis Will Shake Global Markets

"Europe's got about 60 days to figure things out before the markets do," Fitz-Gerald said. "I say that because it'll take about that long for quarterly reporting to reflect what's happening right now."

The short-term effects are already apparent. Closed borders are already causing traffic jams, delaying rail traffic, and overloading local distribution systems. There are huge backups everywhere from border crossings to the Chunnel. "Grocers and pharmacies are particularly at risk with their emphasis on just-in-time delivery," Fitz-Gerald said.

Medium- and long-term effects could include an even faster decline in earnings than is underway now, a precipitous drop in cross-border business transactions, and a slowdown in manufacturing and purchasing that boomerangs back to China – one of the EU's key trading partners.

"We're also going to see nations decrease benefits," Fitz-Gerald said. "You'd think that they'd be increasing them, but actually I think we're going to see the opposite because resources will be extremely strained."

Fitz-Gerald cited Denmark as an example of this. The country has already declared a new "immigration benefit" of 5,945 kroner for single adults with no children. That's down 45% from the 10,849 kroner that used to be offered to asylum seekers. That nation also published ads in four Lebanese papers declaring the changes in an attempt to stop smuggling before it begins, or at least redirect it to other more generous countries.

STOCK MARKET UPDATE

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Protect your holdings now!
 
"Barring a massive policy change and a unified front from EU leaders and the business community, I see two distinct scenarios," Fitz-Gerald said.

"In the short term, U.S. Treasuries are going to remain strong and the dollar gets even stronger as part of a flight to safety. This will confound Yellen for obvious reasons."

"Longer term, the economic chaos associated with millions of refugees will result in a good number of bargains in everything from Greek olives to French wine, German cars, and Italian leather. Consumers are going to have a field day."

The Bottom Line: The refugee crisis poses a threat to your money, but it does not have to be a disaster.

"There is always opportunity in chaos," Fitz-Gerald said. "Funds like the PIMCO Strategic Income Fund (NYSE: RCS) with its yield of 12% are a great place to start, as is the PowerShares DB US Dollar Index Bullish (NYSEArca: UUP), which will appreciate as the dollar strengthens."

"And rather than target individual companies, swooping in to grab a little of everything makes more sense. The Fidelity Spartan International (FSIIX) is a solid start, with holdings like Nestle SA, Novartis AG, Bayer AG, and Royal Dutch Shell Plc. If ETFs are more your style, consider the Vanguard FTSE Europe ETF (NYSE Arca: VGK), which holds a total of 514 stocks, including many of the same top-tier names I've just mentioned. Your goal is to pick up the best companies tied into global trends at a deep discount."

Tara Clarke is an Associate Editor at Money Morning. You can follow her on Twitter @TaraKateClarke.

[msmoby]

Around 20 young children have washed up on Turkish beaches in the last week or so.  This is reported at a low level on Turkish media, but so far I have failed to see a single report on the western news sources I browse.

Leslied, your assertion appears to be mistaken. I have read about the drowning of several kids over the last few days in the UK msm

The other issue which is not being reported is who controls the people traffickers in Turkey??  Surely not ISIL! or the PKK!

Think again.  The Turkish mobsters have been muscled out...

I am sorry, but this seems unlikely - unscrupulous folk from all walks of life - including the ex  'Honorary; French Consul in Bodrum have been profiting.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11860115/France-suspends-honorary-consul-in-Turkey-over-boat-sales-to-migrants.html

I find it EXTREMELY hard to believe - having seen how Turkish mobsters try to control gambling in N.Cyprus that they would 'give up their turf' so readily.

[Anteros]

Around 20 young children have washed up on Turkish beaches in the last week or so.  This is reported at a low level on Turkish media, but so far I have failed to see a single report on the western news sources I browse.

To me this just demonstrates just how fickle the western media spot light is.

The other issue which is not being reported is who controls the people traffickers in Turkey??  Surely not ISIL! or the PKK!

Think again.  The Turkish mobsters have been muscled out...

Yep.  Europe will likely not exist as we know it within 50 to 100 years.  The whole thing has been orchestrated by ISIS (ISIL) and the fools in Germany and elsewhere will rue the day they agreed to take 100K or so of these economic immigrant groups loaded with sleeper ISIS cells.

[msmoby]

The whole thing has been orchestrated by ISIS (ISIL) and the fools in Germany and elsewhere will rue the day they agreed to take 100K or so of these economic immigrant groups loaded with sleeper ISIS cells.

slaps forehead ...

[WestCoast]

I must have missed the news from Putin on how many Syrian refugees Russia is taking. After all Syria has been a Russian client state for years. With a declining or at best not increasing population Russia needs workers to provide for the future.

Surely if Canada can take 10,000 Syrians then Russia with 4 times the population and more than twice the land mass, can take 50,000.

[Markje]

I must have missed the news from Putin on how many Syrian refugees Russia is taking. After all Syria has been a Russian client state for years. With a declining or at best not increasing population Russia needs workers to provide for the future.

Surely if Canada can take 10,000 Syrians then Russia with 4 times the population and more than twice the land mass, can take 50,000.

Russia welcomed the Syrians with open arms (Both putin and lavrov stated so) , but the Syrians interviewed said they are not interested and headed to mostly north-west europe.

[msmoby]

Russia welcomed the Syrians with open arms (Both putin and lavrov stated so) , but the Syrians interviewed said they are not interested and headed to mostly north-west europe.

Given that the Kremlin is an ally of the oppressive govt.  - that is hardly surprising

[Markje]

Russia welcomed the Syrians with open arms (Both putin and lavrov stated so) , but the Syrians interviewed said they are not interested and headed to mostly north-west europe.

Given that the Kremlin is an ally of the oppressive govt.  - that is hardly surprising

Lets see :
Crap housing and meager food (Russia)
Good housing , ample food and $800/month pocket money (Europe)

I see, the Kremlin is at fault, yes.

Mark.

[msmoby]

Markje..have you been to Russia?... You know the parts most nations recognise as actually being Russia..

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[Markje]

Markje..have you been to Russia?... You know the parts most nations recognise as actually being Russia..

.

Yes.

[Manny]

The food chat is now here: http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24852.0.html

[leslied]

Back on topic.

The weather has broken on the eastern med.  Autumn thunderstorms and strong winds.  This will mark the end of the rubber boat migrant exodus. 

In weather like this 24 people in a rubber boat = 24 people washed up on the beaches...

Erdogan sent in the Jandarma to clears the thousands of migrants protesting at the border with Greece at Edirne.  The Jandarma were there usual, gentile selves.  Those migrants who did not run like hell were transported back to the refugee camps...

[cufflinks]

Rampant RAPE crisis in German migrant camps and towns being buried by left wing German SJW media...

[Wiz]

The Kos Baker with the "big" heart!

"This man is Europe," said Jean-Claude Juncker (President of the European Commission), for the "Baker of Kos". Dionysis Arvanitakis, is a 76 years old baker that has managed with humanitarian work, to make the whole world talking about him.

Since March, he distributes daily bread, sweets and pastries to the immigrants who have flooded the island.

Speaking at star.gr noted that "charity is what we do" and he asks "Where is the  state and where is the EU?".

Then he describes excited: "I was born very poor in Amaliada (west of Peloponese. I'm sorry more for the kids. They come every day to me and say "I am hungry", "Mam", fall on my feet. "

"We them bread, donuts, pastries, and pies etc. Two cars each day. We turn up and hand out on the sidewalks, where the people sleep. "

On the situation on the island, Mr. Arvanitakis comments: "The police make huge efforts but there is not enough staff and the immigrants are too many. Every day they come more and more. Fortunately the days there is wind, we know that there will come more  because they can not travel. "

The generous baker, confided to us, in 1957 he was selling bagels at St. Nicholas in Patissia - Athens and soon he left for Australia and returned to Greece in 1970. He moved to the birthplace of his wife, Kos island and so far he has managed to create a chain Bakery shops on the island. He has four children, three sons, a daughter and nine grandchildren.

Speaking on realFM radio he said:

"How can we accept these people sleeping in the streets and suffer from hunger?"

"We are talking about real hunger," he said and Mr. Arvanitakis added:

"Every day we deliver 50, 70, 100 loaves of bread, donuts and other stuff. I ask and put the kids in front of the line and distribute bread. Every day arriving moreand more refugees. I feel very sorry for these people. The situation for these people is very difficult. we have to do something to help them. "

Information from varius sites and Greek blogs. Photos from KosVoice.

[Steveboy]

The Kos Baker with the "big" heart!

(Attachment Link)

"This man is Europe," said Jean-Claude Juncker (President of the European Commission), for the "Baker of Kos". Dionysis Arvanitakis, is a 76 years old baker that has managed with humanitarian work, to make the whole world talking about him.

Since March, he distributes daily bread, sweets and pastries to the immigrants who have flooded the island.

(Attachment Link)

Speaking at star.gr noted that "charity is what we do" and he asks "Where is the  state and where is the EU?".

Then he describes excited: "I was born very poor in Amaliada (west of Peloponese. I'm sorry more for the kids. They come every day to me and say "I am hungry", "Mam", fall on my feet. "

"We them bread, donuts, pastries, and pies etc. Two cars each day. We turn up and hand out on the sidewalks, where the people sleep. "

On the situation on the island, Mr. Arvanitakis comments: "The police make huge efforts but there is not enough staff and the immigrants are too many. Every day they come more and more. Fortunately the days there is wind, we know that there will come more  because they can not travel. "

(Attachment Link)

The generous baker, confided to us, in 1957 he was selling bagels at St. Nicholas in Patissia - Athens and soon he left for Australia and returned to Greece in 1970. He moved to the birthplace of his wife, Kos island and so far he has managed to create a chain Bakery shops on the island. He has four children, three sons, a daughter and nine grandchildren.

Speaking on realFM radio he said:

"How can we accept these people sleeping in the streets and suffer from hunger?"

"We are talking about real hunger," he said and Mr. Arvanitakis added:

"Every day we deliver 50, 70, 100 loaves of bread, donuts and other stuff. I ask and put the kids in front of the line and distribute bread. Every day arriving moreand more refugees. I feel very sorry for these people. The situation for these people is very difficult. we have to do something to help them. "

Information from varius sites and Greek blogs. Photos from KosVoice.

Bloody hell!! I didn't know Bruce Forsyth was running a bakery in Kos 

[JeanClaude]

She is so racist for protesting her eviction!

[Markje]

Looks like the Dutch have had enough, riotting in a small town who refuse to take more than 5x the total town-size of refugees (they did agree to take 5x and tried to hold the government to its promise). They were ordered to take ..... 10x the total town size. (govt broke their promise -> RIOT!).

And then some politicians think these towns are 'racists' for refusing to become a 10% minority in their own town... bhahahahahaha

Full article here, do your own translation:
http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2015/10/gstv_politici_babbelen_over_vl.html