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Quality of Food in Russia and the FSU
« on: September 22, 2015, 10:38:36 AM »
Markje..have you been to Russia?... You know the parts most nations recognise as actually being Russia..

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Yes.

Well then, I find you comments - particularly about the food  - surprising...

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Re: Quality of Food in Russia and the FSU
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2015, 05:38:24 PM »
I must have missed the news from Putin on how many Syrian refugees Russia is taking. After all Syria has been a Russian client state for years. With a declining or at best not increasing population Russia needs workers to provide for the future.

Surely if Canada can take 10,000 Syrians then Russia with 4 times the population and more than twice the land mass, can take 50,000.

Russia welcomed the Syrians with open arms (Both putin and lavrov stated so) , but the Syrians interviewed said they are not interested and headed to mostly north-west europe.

Markje where did you find  this information that Putin and Lavrov offered Syrian refugees safe haven in Russia? I couldn't find anything via Google, at least in English. I also searched RUA's media of record RT.com for any information about Putin's gesture towards Syrian refugees and found nothing going back 3 months.

In some ways I can understand Syrian refugees not wanting to go to Russia, who does want to go to Russia? If someone has the choice between Germany and Russia or the UK and Russia or the Netherlands and Russia or Canada and Russia, the western countries are going to be their choice 999/1000.

After I read a recent article about boxer Roy Jones Jr. asking for and being given Russian citizenship by Putin I decided there are westerners crazy enough to want to live in Russia even if they have the chance to live in the west. Although I somehow doubt Jones will be giving up his homes in the west to permanently move to Russia, even he can't be that crazy.  :laugh: 




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Re: Quality of Food in Russia and the FSU
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2015, 01:44:16 AM »
Markje where did you find  this information that Putin and Lavrov offered Syrian refugees safe haven in Russia? I couldn't find anything via Google, at least in English. I also searched RUA's media of record RT.com for any information about Putin's gesture towards Syrian refugees and found nothing going back 3 months.

here

Looks like the word 'f-u-c-k' is even replaced when its part of the URL. Lame.

Unfortunately, that article also doesn't quote putin directly, but it does quote 'Konstantin Romodanovski' the head of the Russian immigration bureau. Perhaps googling on his name will get you more results.
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Re: Quality of Food in Russia and the FSU
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2015, 01:47:23 AM »
Well then, I find you comments - particularly about the food  - surprising...
Food is good, if you have money.

I somehow doubt that those refugees will eat in restaurants in Moscow.
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Re: Quality of Food in Russia and the FSU
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2015, 02:42:12 AM »

Food is good, if you have money.

I somehow doubt that those refugees will eat in restaurants in Moscow.

Markje, you referred to 'crap housing' and 'meagre food' ..

I didn't / don't  find the food meagre.. apart from the lack of certain cheeses that I can live without  :chuckle:

I think my reasoning - in the case of Syrians - was far more accurate  :chuckle:

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Re: Quality of Food in Russia and the FSU
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2015, 03:17:46 AM »

Food is good, if you have money.

I somehow doubt that those refugees will eat in restaurants in Moscow.

Markje, you referred to 'crap housing' and 'meagre food' ..

I didn't / don't  find the food meagre.. apart from the lack of certain cheeses that I can live without  :chuckle:

I think my reasoning - in the case of Syrians - was far more accurate  :chuckle:
Apparently, You are more easily satisfied than I am.

I can't order half of what I want when in Russia, nor buy it in supermarkets.

Just try to have good cow-meat dishes in Crimea (steak, whatever.).

Although they do wonders with pig-meat (Shaslick, Borsh) , you know how thats a nono in Islam.

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Re: Quality of Food in Russia and the FSU
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2015, 03:21:24 AM »
https://twitter.com/GMPCityCentre/status/646300126361821185

Sorry Manny, your city sucks so bad, even the immigrants want to flee  :king:
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Re: Quality of Food in Russia and the FSU
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2015, 03:36:35 AM »
Markje, you have most recently stayed in CRIMEA ..which is not connected by land to Russia.

I can assure you that most foodstuffs are available.. the ban on EU based products was not being respected.... hence the 'fuss' on Russian TV News and the  hilarious need to show such foodstuffs being destroyed.. search frozen Lithuanian Geese seized and destroyed...

As there are plenty of Islamic ..11 percent?..Russians access to their form of slaughtered meat is not a problem.






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Re: Quality of Food in Russia and the FSU
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2015, 04:29:22 AM »
Markje, you have most recently stayed in CRIMEA ..which is not connected by land to Russia.
It was just an example, I have also been to Kharkov, Kiev, St. Petersburg and Moscow (although st. pete is not really recent anymore.). Try to get a good steak... or any of the more exotic bread types like 'Waldkorn dunkel' which is from Germany.

Cheese, bread, cow-meat, milk to name but a few, are severly under-represented in Russia.

In Netherlands, I can get milk with banana, strawberry, blackberry and other flavors. In Russia those are only with drink-yoghurts or activia/danoontje. But normal milk? nope. Milk and Chocolate-milk is all they have.

Other sausages like Salami are also in just a few flavors, whereas in Netherlands you can buy wine, hungarian, spanish, italian, Austrian and many other variants/tastes of Salami. In Russia however, there is 'salami'. 1 type.

The only thing I will agree upon which Russia has covered well is Sushi, raw fish-food. They are available in almost all cities and of good quality too, although I'm sure Japanese might disagree but in Europe they are almost the same as in Russia.

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Re: Quality of Food in Russia and the FSU
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2015, 04:37:13 AM »
Hi Markje, apart from a Moscow airport when were you ...recently.. in a part of Russia your govt. recognises as being Russia?

I simply do not recognise these issues having shopped in Sochi's markets or chain supermarkets..

This is certainly not a reason for a Syrian refugee family choosing another state over Russia


 

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Re: Quality of Food in Russia and the FSU
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2015, 06:42:57 AM »
Hi Markje, apart from a Moscow airport when were you ...recently.. in a part of Russia your govt. recognises as being Russia?

I simply do not recognise these issues having shopped in Sochi's markets or chain supermarkets..

This is certainly not a reason for a Syrian refugee family choosing another state over Russia
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The no-money or 800/month in Euro might also have something todo with it.

Next time you are in sochi, won't you photograph me a picture of some hungarian salami, waldkorn dunkel bread and banana-flavored milk (not yoghurt) and I may change my mind.

http://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi201051/soma-waldkorn-tarwe-roggebrood
http://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi121583/campina-fruitmelk-banaan
http://www.ah.nl/producten/product/wi369060/ah-excellent-hongaarse-salami

Or for laughter, try living a gluten-free diet in Russia.

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Re: Quality of Food in Russia and the FSU
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2015, 08:07:54 AM »
I know what Mark means. Finding decent steak can be a challenge, skimmed milk too, organic stuff, decent brown bread, Indian food, Chinese food, etc. Yes you can find stuff that is alright, but only what the local market is used to. Which, generally speaking isn't terribly adventurous or as diverse as we are used to.

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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2015, 08:15:45 AM »
I know what Mark means. Finding decent steak can be a challenge, skimmed milk too, organic stuff, decent brown bread, Indian food, Chinese food, etc. Yes you can find stuff that is alright, but only what the local market is used to. Which, generally speaking isn't terribly adventurous or as diverse as we are used to.

The same here, one reason why I fill my larder with comestibles from the UK. Matters are improving and there are some shops that can supply stuff that is not available elsewhere. That said those 'rare' items are rarely fresh produce and they cost prices that mean the main buyers are embassy staff, expats living in their bubbles and a very few wealthy locals. That means outside of Tallinn one can forget all the nice stuff - but we can now get cheddar cheese in many supermarkets, even though it is often from Latvia. Stilton is available from just one shop and only at Christmas.

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Re: Quality of Food in Russia and the FSU
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2015, 08:58:20 AM »
Guys! When was the last time any of you were in a Russian supermarket? They have steaks from Argentina and other BRICS and former CIS nations.. skimmed milk..and bakeries that make good darker breads..you've just gotta try..

Sure you won't find so many Indian or Chinese restaurants...But they ARE to be found..

AGAIN.. how will this explain the lack of interest in refugees wanting to seek refuge in the RF ?!

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Re: Quality of Food in Russia and the FSU
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2015, 09:16:01 AM »
Guys! When was the last time any of you were in a Russian supermarket?

2013. Before sanctions.

They have steaks from Argentina and other BRICS and former CIS nations.. skimmed milk..and bakeries that make good darker breads..you've just gotta try..

What you mean is you must trawl around - this stuff isn't everywhere. Someone as tenacious as you might find anything anywhere eventually.

Sure you won't find so many Indian or Chinese restaurants...But they ARE to be found..

I didnt necessarily mean restaurants - but the ones that are there are usually crap. Same as they haven't grasped pizza yet (they put dill on it for gods sake, use the wrong cheese and frozen bases).

I was referring more to ingredients to make that food. Nice noodles, decent basmati rice, chili peppers, hot sauces, etc. Just as a few examples.

Yes, I am sure if you look hard enough, or are in central Moscow, this stuff can be found somewhere. Point being it isn't readily available as it isn't commonly eaten. In the same way you wont find readily Brit style bacon, brown sauce, Branston, Marmite etc. MIL says she cant find cornflakes - wifey takes them.

But you being you will no doubt assure us that Russian shops are brimming over with Eccles cakes, crumpets, HP sauce, Black Farmer bacon, Aberdeen Angus steaks, stilton, malt loaf and the full Duchy range.  :chuckle:

I do prefer the Я orange juice to Tropicana though. Some stuff is a decent substitute.