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Title: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: justadude on August 25, 2019, 05:45:23 PM
I haven't learned my lesson from my past failures so I'm thinking about returning to Ukraine either around Thanksgiving or Christmas. I have destination cities in mind but am also open to ideas. Are there any dudes who would be interested in going? If so, send me a private message and we will se if we can coordinate.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Confederate on August 25, 2019, 05:52:51 PM
I haven't learned my lesson from my past failures so I'm thinking about returning to Ukraine either around Thanksgiving or Christmas. I have destination cities in mind but am also open to ideas. Are there any dudes who would be interested in going? If so, send me a private message and we will se if we can coordinate.

So you’re going to go back and make more false promises to yet another good woman?

Go to Mexico again. Or go to Georgia and meetup with Moby.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Halo on August 25, 2019, 06:14:01 PM
You've done two K-1's, haven't you?  If so, you are ineligible to do another without a waiver.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: BillyB on August 25, 2019, 10:54:50 PM
Are there any dudes who would be interested in going? If so, send me a private message and we will se if we can coordinate.

If you want to hang out with dudes, you may consider one of those tour packages. Personally, I wouldn't want a dude around when chasing girls.

If true you did two k-1s, you need a waiver or you need to marry in the woman's country and do a spousal visa.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Confederate on August 26, 2019, 06:37:22 AM
Are there any dudes who would be interested in going? If so, send me a private message and we will se if we can coordinate.

If you want to hang out with dudes, you may consider one of those tour packages. Personally, I wouldn't want a dude around when chasing girls.

If true you did two k-1s, you need a waiver or you need to marry in the woman's country and do a spousal visa.

Some guys need a wingman.

           
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Chris on August 26, 2019, 07:28:53 AM
Are there any dudes who would be interested in going? If so, send me a private message and we will se if we can coordinate.

If you want to hang out with dudes, you may consider one of those tour packages. Personally, I wouldn't want a dude around when chasing girls.

If true you did two k-1s, you need a waiver or you need to marry in the woman's country and do a spousal visa.

Some guys need a wingman.

         


But why?
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: AvHdB on August 26, 2019, 03:33:32 PM
Just a dude, We have met in Kiev together with another member who has traveled this route.

Sorry but time for some reality; until you address both your self loathing and fear of failure, you are going to fail. It is not the woman but you that needs rescuing. You can easily find a fixererupper in the States. No need for airplanes or any other agony. You have done one K1 and left a Ukrainian woman by your own admission in taters. I admire your honesty but seek some therapy before you attempt this again.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: justadude on August 28, 2019, 04:16:00 PM
You can easily find a fixererupper in the States
Arie once again you have overestimated me. In the last 6 months I've had 12 first dates, 2 second dates, been ghosted by more than I can remember and came home to an empty house (all right, the dogs are happy to see me) pretty much every night.

And you're right about needing therapy. I am working on that.
Title: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: 2tallbill on August 29, 2019, 09:42:07 AM
And you're right about needing therapy. I am working on that.

If you are going to therapy then I am very happy to hear
that. I'm sure they have suggested things for you to work on.

As for travel to Ukraine, I would advise staying away from
the MOB industry spots like Odessa, Nikolaev or Kiev. This
forum has all the information on how to do a tour yourself.

I am a do it myself type guy and this is mostly a do it yourself
type forum. If somebody really wanted to try a tour, I would
advise talking to Mark Davis at Dream connections.
http://www.dreamconnections.com/about-us


I don't know enough about you or your situation to give you
specific advice, so I will give some general advice that any
of the newbies or lurkers could use as well.

I would suggest that you make a whole list of stuff to work on.

You'll be more confident if you are in excellent shape
so get a gym membership. You'll be more confident if
you work on your Russian.

I jotted down a few things to talk about when you are
with a woman in another thread. Now make a list yourself
with your own goals in mind.

Now think about the times that FSUW asked you questions.
Write down as many as you can remember and then think of
always truthful but the best ways to answer each question.
Any time you can add a little story or anecdote will help.

YOU WILL SCREW UP! So don't worry about it. You need a
woman who will love the real you. You aren't perfect and
neither is she.

A little preparation leads to more confidence. A little practice
will add more confidence as well.



Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Confederate on August 29, 2019, 10:29:13 AM
You can easily find a fixererupper in the States
Arie once again you have overestimated me. In the last 6 months I've had 12 first dates, 2 second dates, been ghosted by more than I can remember and came home to an empty house (all right, the dogs are happy to see me) pretty much every night.

And you're right about needing therapy. I am working on that.

That’s all the more reason why you should not return to Ukraine.

If you do the reality is you’re going back there to get dates and sleep with women, or a woman, because you know their economy is depressed and you know you can take advantage of that.

You have, by your own admission, deceived two previous women.

The last one was a huge betrayal of the young woman on your part.

It’s fair to say you humiliated her to her friends and family.

Deep down you knew you would do that, which is why you did not want to return to Ukraine to spend time with them.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Steveboy on August 29, 2019, 01:07:05 PM
I assume he is sure he will be allowed to enter the country again..

If I had been that women I would make sure he was never given entry in to Ukraine again.. easy enough for her to do.. 1 hour job done!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: justadude on August 30, 2019, 09:35:59 PM
Does anyone know what a Steve is talking about?
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Guile on August 31, 2019, 02:19:23 AM
Does anyone know what a Steve is talking about?

no idea...steveboy want to elaborate?
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Steveboy on August 31, 2019, 01:09:14 PM
Does anyone know what a Steve is talking about?

no idea...steveboy want to elaborate?

Well If I was a Ukrainian women and some guy pissed me about I would just cry Rape or some thing like that.. takes a just a few mins to pop down to the police station and make a complaint or even migration.. not hard to do.. before you know it you are denied entry at the border.. you think people cannot do this sort of thing??
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Confederate on August 31, 2019, 04:26:25 PM
Does anyone know what a Steve is talking about?

no idea...steveboy want to elaborate?

Well If I was a Ukrainian women and some guy pissed me about I would just cry Rape or some thing like that.. takes a just a few mins to pop down to the police station and make a complaint or even migration.. not hard to do.. before you know it you are denied entry at the border.. you think people cannot do this sort of thing??

IIRC he gave her 5K as compensation for going through the humiliation of telling friends and family she was getting married, flying all the way to California by herself (he refused to meet up with her at a layover in NYC for some sightseeing) putting up with his vegetarian BS and then due to his phobias about the commitment of marriage putting up with him changing his mind and sending her back to Ukraine.

So I doubt if she’s going to make any allegations although one never knows for sure. By now she probably realized she’s much better off back at home without a guy playing head games with her.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Confederate on August 31, 2019, 05:03:28 PM
Are there any dudes who would be interested in going? If so, send me a private message and we will se if we can coordinate.

If you want to hang out with dudes, you may consider one of those tour packages. Personally, I wouldn't want a dude around when chasing girls.

If true you did two k-1s, you need a waiver or you need to marry in the woman's country and do a spousal visa.

Some guys need a wingman.


But why?

Don’t ask me, ask the OP.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: B.B. on September 01, 2019, 01:51:50 AM
Are there any dudes who would be interested in going? If so, send me a private message and we will se if we can coordinate.

If you want to hang out with dudes, you may consider one of those tour packages. Personally, I wouldn't want a dude around when chasing girls.

If true you did two k-1s, you need a waiver or you need to marry in the woman's country and do a spousal visa.

Some guys need a wingman.


But why?

Don’t ask me, ask the OP.

I dont necessarily mind having a wingman (although to mix metaphors, I am also perfectly happy being in the 1-back offense), but what about the OPs story would make an experienced guy want him around?  All drama and  :censored: ed-upness.  It would be like dragging an anchor.  So yeah, no thanks.

B/B
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Guile on September 01, 2019, 02:24:13 AM
what justdude needs is not a wingman. but someone who speaks Russian, knows the places in Ukraine or Russia and can introduce him to local social circles.

2 western dudes together in an FSU country is not gonna attract women.  there' s a dude named Trench who could be a wingman for him but I don't think it will turn out ok.

He needs to hire a local guide and pay him.  I have many single friends in Moscow but they are 20's-30's and won't date over 40. Unless you are an oligarch or will give them a US passport, million dollars cash and whatever else they want!  :laugh: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Confederate on September 01, 2019, 01:26:54 PM
Are there any dudes who would be interested in going? If so, send me a private message and we will se if we can coordinate.

If you want to hang out with dudes, you may consider one of those tour packages. Personally, I wouldn't want a dude around when chasing girls.

If true you did two k-1s, you need a waiver or you need to marry in the woman's country and do a spousal visa.

Some guys need a wingman.


But why?

Don’t ask me, ask the OP.

I dont necessarily mind having a wingman (although to mix metaphors, I am also perfectly happy being in the 1-back offense), but what about the OPs story would make an experienced guy want him around?  All drama and  :censored: ed-upness.  It would be like dragging an anchor.  So yeah, no thanks.

B/B

 :laugh:  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: 2tallbill on September 01, 2019, 01:49:08 PM
there' s a dude named Trench who could be a wingman for him but I don't think it will turn out ok.

Hahahaha!

Trench as somebody's wingman and/or advisor.

Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: AvHdB on September 01, 2019, 03:30:04 PM
there' s a dude named Trench who could be a wingman for him but I don't think it will turn out ok.

Hahahaha!

Trench as somebody's wingman and/or advisor.

I think some need to adjust there meds or fluids!

But thanks for the snickers.

I am noting the above so that some newbie does not consider the dolt Trench.


 :ROFL:
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: BillyB on September 01, 2019, 04:57:02 PM
what justdude needs is not a wingman. but someone who speaks Russian, knows the places in Ukraine or Russia and can introduce him to local social circles.


A wingman may help a guy get his foot in the door with a woman but after that, it's up to the guy to keep her.

Justadude needs to find a woman that is as unique as he is. One example of his uniqueness is that he's a vegetarian and most women aren't. He needs to find a vegetarian. Most people won't understand their partner being a vegetarian. I wouldn't marry one. To me, we need to consume life to live whether it's an animal or plant. I don't place animals on a higher level than plants when it comes to my food. I don't discriminate. Vegetarians discriminate.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: msmoby on September 02, 2019, 12:33:45 AM
I have many single friends in Moscow but they are 20's-30's and won't date over 40.



Women in their thirties not prepared to date guys over 40  :ROFL:

THAT is JUST the stupid thing Trench might post
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: msmoby on September 02, 2019, 12:38:05 AM

Justadude needs to find a woman that is as unique as he is. One example of his uniqueness is that he's a vegetarian and most women aren't. He needs to find a vegetarian. Most people won't understand their partner being a vegetarian. I wouldn't marry one. To me, we need to consume life to live whether it's an animal or plant. I don't place animals on a higher level than plants when it comes to my food. I don't discriminate. Vegetarians discriminate.

 :ROFL:

I've been with a 'Vegetarian' that v.occasionally eats meat, eggs / fish ... I 'missed' where our diverse eating habits have been a 'deal breaker' ..



Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Guile on September 02, 2019, 03:41:05 AM

Women in their thirties not prepared to date guys over 40  :ROFL:


How many Russian women in their thirties do you personally know?  Not "friends of wife's daughters classmates" but actually know yourself?

I'm pretty sure I know more and they tell me what preferences are.  And did you read my entire post you dimwit? I said if they are rich, can give the girl a foreign passport in a western country, and can provide a great life they will consider it.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Confederate on September 02, 2019, 12:20:38 PM
what justdude needs is not a wingman. but someone who speaks Russian, knows the places in Ukraine or Russia and can introduce him to local social circles.


A wingman may help a guy get his foot in the door with a woman but after that, it's up to the guy to keep her.

Justadude needs to find a woman that is as unique as he is. One example of his uniqueness is that he's a vegetarian and most women aren't. He needs to find a vegetarian. Most people won't understand their partner being a vegetarian. I wouldn't marry one. To me, we need to consume life to live whether it's an animal or plant. I don't place animals on a higher level than plants when it comes to my food. I don't discriminate. Vegetarians discriminate.

He likely will never be able to commit to marriage.

He should consider sponsoring a woman, or just paying for her to be on vacation with him. There would probably be plenty of opportunities but without deceiving a woman that he will marry her and then all the awkwardness which goes along with that when he backs out.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Guile on September 02, 2019, 12:45:30 PM
yeah justdude needs to figure out why exactly he isn't satisfied. another fiancee isn't the answer. his strict vegetarianism could be an issue. I ain't no Freud but something deeper is going on.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: justadude on September 02, 2019, 08:41:40 PM
Quote

He should consider sponsoring a woman, or just paying for her to be on vacation with him. There would probably be plenty of opportunities but without deceiving a woman that he will marry her and then all the awkwardness which goes along with that when he backs out.

I'm interested in that sort of thing. What's the best way to make that sort of arrangement? Whenever I ask for ideas on how to pull that off, I just get laughed at and told, "it's so easy", but so far no one has been able to tell me how to do it.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: justadude on September 02, 2019, 08:42:56 PM
yeah justdude needs to figure out why exactly he isn't satisfied. another fiancee isn't the answer. his strict vegetarianism could be an issue. I ain't no Freud but something deeper is going on.

Agreed. By the way, Guile, another member gave me an email address for you. I sent you a message but didn't hear back.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: justadude on September 02, 2019, 08:50:06 PM
what justdude needs is not a wingman. but someone who speaks Russian, knows the places in Ukraine or Russia and can introduce him to local social circles.

He needs to hire a local guide and pay him. 
I'm interested in that. How do I find a guy like that?
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: AvHdB on September 02, 2019, 08:59:12 PM
what justdude needs is not a wingman. but someone who speaks Russian, knows the places in Ukraine or Russia and can introduce him to local social circles.

He needs to hire a local guide and pay him. 
I'm interested in that. How do I find a guy like that?

Look for on RUA a poster named Stirlitz, he can be be your wingman.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Guile on September 03, 2019, 02:58:28 AM

Agreed. By the way, Guile, another member gave me an email address for you. I sent you a message but didn't hear back.

hey I just got your message. I rarely check that e-mail but will stay in touch there.

Well for a local guide try the expat groups on social media sites in the city you want to go to.
Didn't you teach English for a few months in Ukraine?  I just do what normal expats do, go to events and get togethers.

Figure out which cities you want to go to. have you considered Russia? you need a visa but Americans can get a 3 year tourist visa. If you got some funds the best way is to go there for 2 or 3 months and really meet people normally. a 10 day trip ending in a proposal doesn't usually end well as you know.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Manny on September 03, 2019, 11:28:15 AM
yeah justdude needs to figure out why exactly he isn't satisfied. another fiancee isn't the answer. his strict vegetarianism could be an issue. I ain't no Freud but something deeper is going on.

Agreed. By the way, Guile, another member gave me an email address for you. I sent you a message but didn't hear back.

I sent you both emails the other day.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Steveboy on September 03, 2019, 11:50:14 AM
Wouldn't a vegetarian find it hard travelling around Russia in flip flops and trousers hanging around their knees?

I mean vegetarians don't wear leather shoes or wear belts do they?
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: MBS01 on September 04, 2019, 01:20:42 PM
Wouldn't a vegetarian find it hard travelling around Russia in flip flops and trousers hanging around their knees?

I mean vegetarians don't wear leather shoes or wear belts do they?

Very Funny!  My late father in fact travelled throughout the USA and Canada from the Dirty 30's up to the mid 1990's when he died in his late eighties.  Yes he was a Vegetarian throughout his life, wore shoes and belts without difficulty.  So this should not be a problem to Dude also.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: MBS01 on September 04, 2019, 01:24:26 PM
As to Holidays the USA Thanksgiving is over a month later than ours and then Western and Eastern Christmases are also sometime apart.  So unlikely we would meet up even if we did travel to see the In-Laws etc.  So will leave it up to others to consider Dude's offer.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Steveboy on September 04, 2019, 01:25:24 PM
Wouldn't a vegetarian find it hard travelling around Russia in flip flops and trousers hanging around their knees?

I mean vegetarians don't wear leather shoes or wear belts do they?

Very Funny!  My late father in fact travelled throughout the USA and Canada from the Dirty 30's up to the mid 1990's when he died in his late eighties.  Yes he was a Vegetarian throughout his life, wore shoes and belts without difficulty.  So this should not be a problem to Dude also.

No problem with that.. it just means a vegetarian of convenience ...

It's  like I do not believe in war.. but maybe tonight I might just pop out and murder some one..

Same sort of thing really  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: andrewfi on September 04, 2019, 02:58:08 PM
Vegans - no leather shoes, no meat
Vegetarians - leather shoes, no meat
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Steveboy on September 04, 2019, 03:04:18 PM
Vegans - no leather shoes, no meat
Vegetarians - leather shoes, no meat

Careful what your says cos next thing they will be calling you racist..

Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: justadude on September 05, 2019, 09:17:09 PM
Wouldn't a vegetarian find it hard travelling around Russia in flip flops and trousers hanging around their knees?

I mean vegetarians don't wear leather shoes or wear belts do they?
I'm a bit of a hypocrite, I guess. I wear Doc Martins and leather belts. Not much of a flip flopper, I don't seem to be coordinated enough to keep them under my feet.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: justadude on September 05, 2019, 09:22:43 PM
yeah justdude needs to figure out why exactly he isn't satisfied. another fiancee isn't the answer. his strict vegetarianism could be an issue. I ain't no Freud but something deeper is going on.

Agreed. By the way, Guile, another member gave me an email address for you. I sent you a message but didn't hear back.

I sent you both emails the other day.

I got one from you with Guile's email address. Did you send another one after that?
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: justadude on September 05, 2019, 09:27:24 PM
Well for a local guide try the expat groups on social media sites in the city you want to go to.
Didn't you teach English for a few months in Ukraine?  I just do what normal expats do, go to events and get togethers.

Figure out which cities you want to go to. have you considered Russia? you need a visa but Americans can get a 3 year tourist visa. If you got some funds the best way is to go there for 2 or 3 months and really meet people normally. a 10 day trip ending in a proposal doesn't usually end well as you know.
I did find a guy living in country on an English speaking FB group. We messaged for a few days. But it wasn't for expats. I'll try that. I did join an expat group when I was in Kiev for 7 weeks in 17. I met up with a few guys but it didn't seem to click. I didn't think of that in this context.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: andrewfi on September 06, 2019, 03:12:03 AM
Vegans - no leather shoes, no meat
Vegetarians - leather shoes, no meat

Careful what your says cos next thing they will be calling you racist..


No, surely not. Are vegans and vegetarians different races to humans?

Given the prevalent paradigm in the Land of The Free, I could understand vegans and veggies being regarded as new genders, to add to the ever-growing list of genders unique to the USA. But not races, please god no!
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Manny on September 06, 2019, 06:28:25 AM
yeah justdude needs to figure out why exactly he isn't satisfied. another fiancee isn't the answer. his strict vegetarianism could be an issue. I ain't no Freud but something deeper is going on.

Agreed. By the way, Guile, another member gave me an email address for you. I sent you a message but didn't hear back.

I sent you both emails the other day.

I got one from you with Guile's email address. Did you send another one after that?

That was it, I sent him one with yours too.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: justadude on September 09, 2019, 09:14:10 PM
So far it looks like one guy will be joining me and there is another maybe. I didn't meet both of them on this site by the way. If anyone else is interested send me a PM.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Guile on September 09, 2019, 10:42:58 PM
So far it looks like one guy will be joining me and there is another maybe. I didn't meet both of them on this site by the way. If anyone else is interested send me a PM.

cool dude, hope it works out!
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: justadude on October 03, 2019, 10:24:26 PM
Here I go again. I bought a plane ticket to Ukraine for mid December. I got a premium economy seat on Lufthansa, my favorite airline. I've rented a car and plan to visit at least 3 different cities. So far there's still me and one other guy planning to go. If anyone else is interested, send me a PM.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 04, 2019, 01:25:30 AM
Here I go again. I bought a plane ticket to Ukraine for mid December. I got a premium economy seat on Lufthansa, my favorite airline. I've rented a car and plan to visit at least 3 different cities. So far there's still me and one other guy planning to go. If anyone else is interested, send me a PM.

Why are you so fixated on Ukrainian women?
I’ve had the pleasure of meeting you and you’re a nice guy, an articulate, intelligent person.
So I don’t get why you appear so desperate to find a woman from that part of the world, given your past experiences.
You don’t seem to have learnt any lessons and are simply repeating your past at some considerable cost.
That cost, unfortunately, well may be borne by another person.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: AvHdB on October 04, 2019, 05:51:40 AM
Here I go again. I bought a plane ticket to Ukraine for mid December. I got a premium economy seat on Lufthansa, my favorite airline. I've rented a car and plan to visit at least 3 different cities. So far there's still me and one other guy planning to go. If anyone else is interested, send me a PM.

Why are you so fixated on Ukrainian women?
I’ve had the pleasure of meeting you and you’re a nice guy, an articulate, intelligent person.
So I don’t get why you appear so desperate to find a woman from that part of the world, given your past experiences.
You don’t seem to have learnt any lessons and are simply repeating your past at some considerable cost.
That cost, unfortunately, well may be borne by another person.

Likewise we have met in Kyiv.

It really is a question have you learned from your mistakes?
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: justadude on October 04, 2019, 11:49:26 AM
Here I go again. I bought a plane ticket to Ukraine for mid December. I got a premium economy seat on Lufthansa, my favorite airline. I've rented a car and plan to visit at least 3 different cities. So far there's still me and one other guy planning to go. If anyone else is interested, send me a PM.

Why are you so fixated on Ukrainian women?
I’ve had the pleasure of meeting you and you’re a nice guy, an articulate, intelligent person.
So I don’t get why you appear so desperate to find a woman from that part of the world, given your past experiences.
You don’t seem to have learnt any lessons and are simply repeating your past at some considerable cost.
That cost, unfortunately, well may be borne by another person.

All good questions. And thank you for the compliments. I thought the same of you.

Why keep going back? I think I have had an above average run of dating/marrying attractive women in the US, and as I've aged, women who are quite a bit younger. Nevertheless, I am not 1/10th as successful as I want to be. There is no guarantee that I'll do better in Ukraine than I will do here. In fact, I spent a few pretty miserable and lonely weeks in Kiev in 2017.

 However, I still cling to the notions that Ukrainian women are among the most attractive on the whole, among the most willing to accept a significant age gap, and among the most open about wanting to be with a man.

I can see why you would use the word desperate. Maybe I am but I don't see myself that way. But I do need some sort of constant challenge in my life. A reason to get up in the morning, besides my job as a teacher, which is still really fun but not a big challenge.

I've embarked on a new career, one that I might possibly be able to practice in another country. If I live in a place like Ukraine I wouldn't need any income from that, but I still need something to do.

My latest idea is to make this scouting trip to Western and Southern Ukraine this winter, look for real estate and look into buying a hospitality or some other business, and to try to meet womenses, of course. Depending on how things go I might make another trip back next summer, rent for a while, and later  buy a place and relocate. There is a long way to go between where I am now and relocating but it's fun to dream, I am not spending beyond what I can afford, and it gives me something to do.

Arie, I think I've learned something from my mistakes. I don't see myself ever bringing a woman to the US again on a fiancé visa or a marriage visa. Beyond that I suppose my latest dreams are evidence to the contrary.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: belloragazzo on November 18, 2019, 04:33:19 AM
Justadude
I would be willing to join you guys for this Ukraine trip. Im ok with those dates.
Can someone tell me how to activate the PM .? dont know how, thats why i didnt contact you directly
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Manny on November 18, 2019, 07:53:31 AM
Now you have three posts it should work.
Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: 2tallbill on November 18, 2019, 09:04:29 AM
I'm interested in that. How do I find a guy like that?

http://www.igorkalinin.com/about/contact.en.html

Title: Re: Anyone want to go to Ukraine over Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Post by: Confederate on January 26, 2020, 02:44:11 PM
So what happened to Just a Dude? Has anyone heard from him?