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Title: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: msmoby on July 24, 2019, 01:11:35 PM
I think it takes more testosterone to go home to the same woman every day, a woman who is cooking, cleaning, and feeding your children, who, after childbirth, hasn't got the same tight body she had before (*see the Duchess of Sussex as a prime example), and who will ask you to take out the garbage.  Sticking your d**k into every pretty thing that is willing to jump your bones is not a shining example of testosterone or maturity.

Translation: Women who let themselves go after having a kid. Or, the other side of the same coin: Women who feel they dont need to make an effort anymore having got married. That kind of thinking is one of many reasons some men seek foreign women over western women.

Er, no.  A woman's body is never quite the same after delivering a child.  Her skin is slightly different (thinner), her hips are a little different, if she breastfeeds, her breasts will be different, and let's not really go to other body parts. 

I beg to differ. My wife is in awesome shape with a mild six pack and we have a daughter. Breastfeeding brings back the figure faster Russian women say, and helps the breasts get back into shape - and from what I see, I agree. She is frequently accosted by women 15-20 years her junior for diet and exercise advice. When she goes into her gym classes, people often assume she is the teacher.

Well, I'm with Halo on this ..

I have found that RU women tend to have less stretchmarks - and many - outwardly recover well, but a guy with half a brain can tell who's given birth

As with Halo.. no need for details . but the eye is good enough
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Dogsoldier on July 24, 2019, 01:16:38 PM


I beg to differ. My wife is in awesome shape with a mild six pack and we have a daughter. Breastfeeding brings back the figure faster Russian women say, and helps the breasts get back into shape - and from what I see, I agree. She is frequently accosted by women 15-20 years her junior for diet and exercise advice. When she goes into her gym classes, people often assume she is the teacher.

Well, I'm with Halo on this ..

I have found that RU women tend to have less stretchmarks - 1and many - outwardly recover well, but a guy with half a brain can tell who's given birth



As with Halo.. no need for details . but the eye is good enough
What an idiotic statement.  :'(


Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: msmoby on July 24, 2019, 01:25:12 PM

What an idiotic statement.  :'(

Well, instead of inane comment - put your case ..
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Manny on July 24, 2019, 01:44:57 PM
less stretchmarks

You mean fewer. Keep up that natural English you seek to teach Russians.

I see many British women go to seed right after having kids, so perhaps some of it is genetics? Perhaps FSU women can manage their figures better for some reason? I doubt my wife is in a minority of one by having both an excellent figure and no discernable signs of having given birth.

I'm more inclined to think poor lifestyle is the biggest factor. My wife is in the gym several times a week, is eating steamed fish and rabbit food (but seldom after 6pm), drinking gallons of water, green tea and kefir, etc.

British women often couldn't find the nearest gym on a map, they eat McDonalds and drink Coke and then join Weight Watchers to tell each other how dreadful their husbands are because they ran off with a slim bird from Lithuania. They spend their free time Instagramming memes about how men should "accept them as they are" when that time would be better spent on an elliptical cross trainer.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Confederate on July 24, 2019, 01:55:36 PM
What happened to the other post about your wife having a 6 pack and being in great shape?

If she likes it, she should consider becoming a personal trainer and/or opening her own studio.

There’s the story of the American gal who opened “spinner” studios. Did very well.

Your description of British women eating poorly and complaining echoes AW to a T.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/observer.com/2015/04/the-great-spinoff-rating-nycs-top-cycling-studios/amp/
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Dogsoldier on July 24, 2019, 02:17:35 PM

What an idiotic statement.  :'(

Well, instead of inane comment - put your case ..
It needs spelling out for you?
Oh, well. All that trolling must be taking its toll.

Like your oft quoted legion of mystery supporters on any topic under the sun, you now ‘know’  (not biblically, one hopes) armies of Russian women post childbirth to support your assertion.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Manny on July 24, 2019, 02:19:02 PM
What happened to the other post about your wife having a 6 pack and being in great shape?

This topic was split from another - the comment is quoted above.

If she likes it, she should consider becoming a personal trainer and/or opening her own studio.

We discussed a book and other stuff. But it's a very crowded market. And we have a business already. There are only so many hours in a day.

Your description of British women eating poorly and complaining echoes AW to a T.

Same anywhere western I think. And the FSU is catching up too. Estonia was once the home to the slimmest women in Europe - no more. And I noted Russia is catching up a decade ago.

So what about women? When on the way to Russia I always connect through Prague or Frankfurt. One can usually recognise the gates where a Russian flight will leave from without looking at the screens due to the dozen or so Smokinhotkovas lolling around. The abundance of leopardskin, high heels, small waists and big sunglasses is usually a tell tale sign. My flight from Prague had no such women on it!  :o

Any western guy walking around Russia is usually bowled over by the sheer volume of Smokinhotkovas, being a red blooded chap, I am no exception. Wandering around I started to see flat shoes, jogging pants and fat arses. I rubbed my eyes and looked around again...... it was true, I could have been stood in Wal-Mart in Manchester!  :o

Over a few days of course there was the odd archetypal glamorous Russian girl to be seen. In one week I noticed only about six or seven on the streets that I would consider traffic stoppers, quite bizarre. (Maybe they are all driving their Lada Kalina's they bought on credit.) There were many more that were generally quite attractive but not worth crossing an ocean for.

The most noticeable thing I saw was fat! Fat women - and lots of them. Was somebody here force feeding them all Big Macs? Of course when a woman's arse starts to resemble two badly parked Volkswagen Beetles, the heels go in the bin and out come the comfortable clothes. This is what I was seeing.

Stuff changes in society. But people make lifestyle choices.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Halo on July 24, 2019, 04:32:00 PM
I wasn’t referring just to weight. Bodies change.

I had a lot of pain in my abdomen during my first pregnancy as my muscles stretched to accommodate my expanding belly. I didn’t even know what it was, complained to my OB about my severe pain and he told me. I wasn’t like some women, who carry all their pregnancy in front. I expanded all over my middle. But, I didn’t start showing until about six months. No such pain with babies 2 and 3. Even the birth canal pain during delivery was less with babies 2 and 3 (no epidural). 

I can remember my body is pre and post  pregnancy. It’s not about weight. Everything stretches, your ligaments loosen, and they never go back to exactly what they were. It’s subtle but it’s there. And I got huge stretch marks, even though I only gained around 30 lbs in each pregnancy.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Manny on July 24, 2019, 04:38:48 PM
Everything stretches, your ligaments loosen, and they never go back to what they were. It’s subtle but it’s there. And I got huge stretch marks.

This differs for everyone though surely? Some women have zero stretch marks and get their figure back perfectly. Especially with gym work. Not all mothers show signs of having had a child. After two or three kids I can't comment on as that is beyond my experience with one woman.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Halo on July 24, 2019, 04:47:54 PM
There are different changes for different women. Some don’t occur until much later, such as the uterus literally falling out of the woman, causing discomfort. That is fairly common, and it’s the reason women should do Kiegel exercises.

Here are the most common-

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/63291-post-pregnancy-changes.html
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Confederate on July 24, 2019, 04:53:55 PM
So as I said before be happy he’s getting a young bird on the side. Less work for you.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Halo on July 24, 2019, 05:04:53 PM
Why would Boris Johnson’s philandering have any effect on my life?
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Manny on July 24, 2019, 05:32:30 PM
women should do Kiegel exercises.

Or in cruder terms: the arsehole, sphincter or piss stop muscle. The pelvic floor muscles. Do it anywhere....... yes it's a thing (https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/womens-health/in-depth/kegel-exercises/art-20045283). Have your wife research this at length and do it. 

That is like a "pin it to the fridge" thing for women who have had a kid.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Confederate on July 24, 2019, 06:36:42 PM
Why would Boris Johnson’s philandering have any effect on my life?

Exactly. So then we agree it has nothing to do with his ability to be PM.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Guile on July 24, 2019, 08:26:07 PM
Why would Boris Johnson’s philandering have any effect on my life?

Exactly. So then we agree it has nothing to do with his ability to be PM.

good one! hahahaha
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Confederate on July 24, 2019, 10:08:18 PM
women should do Kiegel exercises.

Or in cruder terms: the arsehole, sphincter or piss stop muscle. The pelvic floor muscles. Do it anywhere....... yes it's a thing (https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/womens-health/in-depth/kegel-exercises/art-20045283). Have your wife research this at length and do it. 

That is like a "pin it to the fridge" thing for women who have had a kid.

This is far TMI.  :chuckle:

The lady’s version of what to do is much better.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Dogsoldier on July 24, 2019, 11:13:19 PM
women should do Kiegel exercises.

Or in cruder terms: the arsehole, sphincter or piss stop muscle. The pelvic floor muscles. Do it anywhere....... yes it's a thing (https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/womens-health/in-depth/kegel-exercises/art-20045283). Have your wife research this at length and do it. 

That is like a "pin it to the fridge" thing for women who have had a kid.

This is far TMI.  :chuckle:

The lady’s version of what to do is much better.
Have you heard about the vaginal mesh?
I think us blokes don’t really know/understand the effect pregnancy and childbirth has on a woman’s body.

Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Halo on July 25, 2019, 12:51:16 AM
Why would Boris Johnson’s philandering have any effect on my life?

Exactly. So then we agree it has nothing to do with his ability to be PM.

I made clear in my original post that I have no interest in him as PM. My comment was about him as the sleazy individual he is.

We'll see if he is an effective PM.  I don't really care, either way.  Just commenting on his messy personal "morality", or rather, complete lack thereof.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: msmoby on July 25, 2019, 01:19:03 AM

less stretchmarks

You mean fewer. Keep up that natural English you seek to teach Russians.

I'm very happy with the grammar I used .. including the word .natural; you used in context ..."natural, everyday English .." beging an example ..

Back on topic..

I see many British women go to seed right after having kids, so perhaps some of it is genetics?

I realy believe FSU with skin that is s.olive have genes that suffer less stetchmarks and the skin retains elasticity ... Breasts do not lose their shape ..  Most women who have had children  - the sructure around the nipple changes..

Perhaps FSU women can manage their figures better for some reason? I doubt my wife is in a minority of one by having both an excellent figure and no discernable signs of having given birth.

It is my experience that a significant minority DO retain a good bikini body

I'm more inclined to think poor lifestyle is the biggest factor. My wife is in the gym several times a week, is eating steamed fish and rabbit food (but seldom after 6pm), drinking gallons of water, green tea and kefir, etc.

Here, we differ .. I do not think V or SC had acccess to 'fitness' centres ... life was harder - more walking  - more exercise ..that's about it

British women often couldn't find the nearest gym on a map, they eat McDonalds and drink Coke and then join Weight Watchers to tell each other how dreadful their husbands are because they ran off with a slim bird from Lithuania. They spend their free time Instagramming memes about how men should "accept them as they are" when that time would be better spent on an elliptical cross trainer.

My first wife was a UK size 6/8 ( US 2/4)  and shapely..   Buns out on the beach and jaws dropped...  During her pregancy her boday was ravaged and as much as she attended the gym and I bought her all sorts of potions and oils -  the 'evidence' of child birth only disappeared when pregnant, again ..  She wore one piece bathing costumes and had a real complex about the destruction of her form .. she was utterly depressed.. Sure, the gym and swimming made any guy think she had a body to die for - she got down down to a UK 6 again - but she was so upset by those stretch marks.. and no amount of encouragement / gym could fix 'em

I am convinced it's genetic ..

Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Halo on July 25, 2019, 01:38:08 AM
Have you heard about the vaginal mesh?
I think us blokes don’t really know/understand the effect pregnancy and childbirth has on a woman’s body.

Yup.  And that was my original point.  Your body is never exactly the same, even with exercise.  I won't even go into the hormonal changes that have side effects such as postpartum depression.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: andrewfi on July 25, 2019, 04:48:52 AM
I have to say that in my experience, which is not limited to just one or two examples, I was quite surprised when, many years ago, I saw the differences between the women I knew from the UK and from Russia, Estonia, Ukraine and other counties in the region.

I had come to expect that stretch marks, blibble belly, and tissue paper tummy were normal after a woman gave birth. I came to know that this is not so. While I have come across women from the region with such issues I have not commonly seen it in women with just one sprog. I am not a geneticist or physician but I have eyes and a small sample to compare and there is a difference.

As to the other changes, these are not so easily seen but I do know that there are inevitable changes that women undergo as a result of pregnancy and childbirth. One point that is a big difference for USAian observers is that the number of c-sections in the USA is high and increasing. In 'Eastern Europe', while the number of c-sections is growing, historically it has been much lower than the USA. That makes a noticeable difference 'on the beach' and in closer encounters.

Basically, if one is looking at young mothers then there's not a lot of difference between Eastern Europe (and most of the countries considered as part of that region) and the USA, but when looking at women who had kids who are now grown then there's a significant difference.

Confirming empirical evidence: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/11/health/c-section-rates-study-parenting-without-borders-intl/index.html

 
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: msmoby on July 25, 2019, 05:40:27 AM


As to the other changes, these are not so easily seen but I do know that there are inevitable changes that women undergo as a result of pregnancy and childbirth. One point that is a big difference for USAian observers is that the number of c-sections in the USA is high and increasing. In 'Eastern Europe', while the number of c-sections is growing, historically it has been much lower than the USA. That makes a noticeable difference 'on the beach' and in closer encounters.

Basically, if one is looking at young mothers then there's not a lot of difference between Eastern Europe (and most of the countries considered as part of that region) and the USA, but when looking at women who had kids who are now grown then there's a significant difference.

Confirming empirical evidence: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/11/health/c-section-rates-study-parenting-without-borders-intl/index.html

My kids were both born of 'C-sections' and it would be a VERY close encounter to know ...

On 'other Eastern European women'.. not so long ago there was a brief chat about boob jobs and a Serbian lass mentioned she was envious of many RU women'd ability to recover much of  their breast elasticity ..

[Edited to remove insults]
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Manny on July 25, 2019, 07:47:37 AM
I really believe FSU with skin that is s.olive have genes that suffer less stretchmarks and the skin retains elasticity ... Breasts do not lose their shape ..  Most women who have had children  - the structure around the nipple changes..

I am convinced it is genetic

I've mused about this in the past too. Wifey is one of those who tans amazingly quickly and never burns. I've always said she probably has a sprinkling of Kazakh or something in her genetic. We both did a 23andme test recently and she was 90 odd percent Russian and a few percent Balkan and Greek. So maybe the olive skin theory holds water.

Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: andrewfi on July 25, 2019, 08:10:20 AM
Moby, go back and read what I wrote.

[Edited to remove insults]
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Halo on July 25, 2019, 11:04:21 AM
One point that is a big difference for USAian observers is that the number of c-sections in the USA is high and increasing. In 'Eastern Europe', while the number of c-sections is growing, historically it has been much lower than the USA. That makes a noticeable difference 'on the beach' and in closer encounters.

I had a C-section with my third.  Not my choice, he was in the birth canal but my labour wasn't progressing normally.  It turned out he was anterior, so he was not going to deliver otherwise (the OB only knew that after delivery).  My C-section scar is 4 inches long.  I don't go to the beach, but if I were a beach person, the scar would not be visible "on the beach". It's slightly smaller than my appendectomy scar, which I've had since I was five years old.

The US does more C-sections because of potential liability issues.  Also, some women want them, for a variety of reasons, and book them, although I don't really understand why a woman would choose to subject herself to a surgical procedure.  Recovery from a C-section is longer, and there are more risks than with vaginal births.  Furthermore, if the baby does enter the birth canal, it will not receive specific bacteria from the mother which colonize the infant intestine and stimulate the baby's immune system.  This may be why there is an explosion of asthma and allergies in children, both of which were virtually unheard of when I was growing up.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: andrewfi on July 25, 2019, 11:58:02 AM
Halo, you were lucky to have a c-section where the incision was right at the smallest size that is commonly carried out, congrats on your good fortune. Be aware that you are not typical, you are an outlier. Most incisions are larger.

Secondly, try to Google the term 'c-section pooch'. Learn what happens to many, if not most, women to a greater or lesser degree. The 'pooch' is related to cutting through a large sheet of muscle, but extra fat sure as hell does not help. Some women have a tummy tuck which tightens everything up and moves scarring out of sight of almost all bikinis - and yes, I know people who have done just that after they finished having kids.

If you are going to disagree with me at least be accurate. Nowhere did I mention the word 'scar' you and at least one other imagined it. In fact, in relation to c-sections, I made no comment whatsoever about the specifics of appearance.

Now you know more than you did a few minutes ago, you know that often the effects of a c-section are visible and, if you looked, you now know what those effects look like.

Be aware that I tend to know what I am talking about and if I do not I either ask questions, learn, or shut up.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Halo on July 25, 2019, 12:09:52 PM
The average C-section scar is between 4 and 6 inches, so although mine is on the lower end, it's still in the range of "normal". 

Whether or not a scar is "raised"  (Keloid) is based on various factors - the skill of the OB, the woman's own skin, time since the C-section, etc.  It can be fixed so that the scar is pencil thin.

I don't think I need mansplaining from someone who has never raised a child, let alone given birth.

You're welcome.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: msmoby on July 25, 2019, 11:48:30 PM


I don't think I need mansplaining from someone who has never raised a child, let alone given birth.


Andrewfi ALWAYS knows our lives and expeiences better than us  ,, :chuckle:

As soon as he started posting on this thread, I KNEW we were in for entertainment ..

Andrewfi, how many births have you attended and watched your partner  recover from .. ? 

How many women's bodies did you know, intimately, before and after ?

Thank you...



Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Confederate on July 26, 2019, 09:57:11 AM


I don't think I need mansplaining from someone who has never raised a child, let alone given birth.


Andrewfi ALWAYS knows our lives and expeiences better than us  ,, :chuckle:

As soon as he started posting on this thread, I KNEW we were in for entertainment ..

Andrewfi, how many births have you attended and watched your partner  recover from .. ? 

How many women's bodies did you know, intimately, before and after?


Thank you...

Zero and zero.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: AvHdB on July 26, 2019, 07:22:16 PM
Lets do simples here.

Women have been giving birth for almost as long as men have been plugging in.

A C-Section is considered major surgery. It has risks. As Halo notes the reason in he United States for the percentage of rise is the legal ramifications if something goes wrong during a vaginal birth. It countries such as Turkey it is seen as a fashionable thing to do among the upper class.

In the Netherlands most births are done at home as it is considered a normal life event. Epidurals are rare and usually reserved for foreign women. Epidurals seem to slow the bearing of the child, but reduce the pain.

Some women recover better than others from giving birth.

First vaginal births are more difficult than subsequent births. It seems women in there late 20's and early 30's have an 'easier' time.

Before any questions my knowledge I have been present at the birth of all my children (3). My former wife is an Ob/Gyn specializing in baby catching first in Durban and than further training in Scotland before coming to the Netherlands. I sometimes had to go to deliveries and would politely stay far in the back ground, preferably downstairs. She could if need be conduct an emergency C Section in Amsterdam from incision to extraction in under 6 minutes. She was the go to doctor in Amsterdam-West. She was faster in South Africa but the protocols were different.

I hope this clears up some misconceptions.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Hunter7 on September 19, 2019, 05:46:29 PM
less stretchmarks


I'm more inclined to think poor lifestyle is the biggest factor. My wife is in the gym several times a week, is eating steamed fish and rabbit food (but seldom after 6pm), drinking gallons of water, green tea and kefir, etc.



Hi Manny, I'm new here. Are you located in the US? The woman I am talking to sounds a lot like yours and she is worried about not having friends in the states.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Manny on September 19, 2019, 10:15:12 PM
less stretchmarks


I'm more inclined to think poor lifestyle is the biggest factor. My wife is in the gym several times a week, is eating steamed fish and rabbit food (but seldom after 6pm), drinking gallons of water, green tea and kefir, etc.



Hi Manny, I'm new here. Are you located in the US? The woman I am talking to sounds a lot like yours and she is worried about not having friends in the states.

I am in the UK, but plenty of US folks here.  tiphat
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: BillyB on September 20, 2019, 12:23:15 AM
she is worried about not having friends in the states.


There are millions of FSU people in the states. Also she can make friends with anybody, not just FSU people. Reassure her she'll make friends easily. What city do you live in?
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: msmoby on September 20, 2019, 02:30:34 AM
Just read this post of Halo's

The theory re Asthma and other allergies may hold water...


My kids were both born of Caesareans ...medical reasons...and I believe not having a natural birth could well be a factor ...!
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: andrewfi on September 20, 2019, 02:51:31 AM
Just saw the thread, thanks Billy. Struck by how Halo gets all miffed at me and then goes on to say, well, yeah, Andrew, you were right.

As I have said in the past, one does not have to piss on an electric fence to find out how painful it is.

If people like Halo only talked about things they experienced then they'd have very little to say. Would we suffer from that? I don't know, I guess that depends upon what her husband tells her to say.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Confederate on September 20, 2019, 09:14:36 AM
Just saw the thread, thanks Billy. Struck by how Halo gets all miffed at me and then goes on to say, well, yeah, Andrew, you were right.

As I have said in the past, one does not have to piss on an electric fence to find out how painful it is.

If people like Halo only talked about things they experienced then they'd have very little to say. Would we suffer from that? I don't know, I guess that depends upon what her husband tells her to say.

 :ROFL:

Yeah but you’ve still never been to ????????.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: andrewfi on September 20, 2019, 01:29:56 PM
And so?

There's many things that you have never done but that you know about.

Only when you come out with crap does anyone note that. You manage to come out with crap with or without first hand experience.

Only the most stupid of us are limited to learning or having knowledge from first hand experience.

Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Halo on September 20, 2019, 01:43:25 PM
Just saw the thread, thanks Billy. Struck by how Halo gets all miffed at me and then goes on to say, well, yeah, Andrew, you were right.

I wasn't miffed with you.  As usual, you give yourself far too much credit.  I also never stated you were right.  You weren't.

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As I have said in the past, one does not have to piss on an electric fence to find out how painful it is.

We weren't discussing pain.  Do try to keep up.

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If people like Halo only talked about things they experienced then they'd have very little to say. Would we suffer from that? I don't know, I guess that depends upon what her husband tells her to say.

Oh, the irony.  A man telling a woman who has given birth about the effects of childbirth, and then berating her for his delusional view that said woman has no views separate from her husband, including on the experience and effects of childbirth on a woman's body.

Of course though, were you to stick to what you know, your posts would be restricted to whoremongering.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Confederate on September 20, 2019, 04:10:23 PM
And so?

There's many things that you have never done but that you know about.

Only when you come out with crap does anyone note that. You manage to come out with crap with or without first hand experience.

Only the most stupid of us are limited to learning or having knowledge from first hand experience.

Andy piles it high again.  :Zzzzsleep:

You’re the moron who tried to tell Halo she’s wrong about childbirth.

You also know less than nothing about Ukraine other than propaganda you’re instructed to repeat so you can earn a few extra pennies.

Stick to the other garbage you sell on the net. Stay out of threads which you usually pollute with your arrogance and ignorance.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Hunter7 on September 20, 2019, 06:42:50 PM
less stretchmarks


I'm more inclined to think poor lifestyle is the biggest factor. My wife is in the gym several times a week, is eating steamed fish and rabbit food (but seldom after 6pm), drinking gallons of water, green tea and kefir, etc.



Hi Manny, I'm new here. Are you located in the US? The woman I am talking to sounds a lot like yours and she is worried about not having friends in the states.

I am in the UK, but plenty of US folks here.  tiphat

OK thanks for responding!
she is worried about not having friends in the states.


There are millions of FSU people in the states. Also she can make friends with anybody, not just FSU people. Reassure her she'll make friends easily. What city do you live in?

Oh well I didn't know that, heh. I know she can make friends with anyone, but I want her to be friends with other good women. All my sisters live in the same town, and churches nearby, so I think she will be OK.

We will be living in South Florida in Palm Beach County. That's the plan anyways. We skype often and I'm flying over in a month or so. She speaks near perfect English. So far so good.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: justadude on September 20, 2019, 10:46:44 PM
I married an American girl (supposedly of Northern European lineage. Blond haired and blue eyed but barely over 5' tall) quite some time ago. She gave birth to our daughter. She weighed 100lbs before she got pregnant and 150 the day before my wonderful daughter came into the world. She ran a marathon 8 months after giving birth. She exercised regularly and ate well. She insisted on having breast augmentation and after that she looked like a model, albeit a short one, naked or clothed. No stretch marks. I thought that was possible for all women, if they would keep their weight down during pregnancy and exercise as much as possible/healthy before and after. After we split up I saw other mothers with their clothes off and realized this wasn't always the case. I saw a couple more that looked that good but most didn't. I think a significant number of women use childbirth as a reason to give up on looking good. I think my ex's story is not necessarily repeatable for every person. I.e., some get stretch marks no matter how they watch their weight. I feel a little funny talking about my ex this way because she is a good person, the mother of my daughter and much more than just a body. Nevertheless, she was quite the success in this department.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Guile on September 20, 2019, 11:09:52 PM

Oh well I didn't know that, heh. I know she can make friends with anyone, but I want her to be friends with other good women. All my sisters live in the same town, and churches nearby, so I think she will be OK.

We will be living in South Florida in Palm Beach County. That's the plan anyways. We skype often and I'm flying over in a month or so. She speaks near perfect English. So far so good.

Hunter7 welcome to the forum! There's alot of Russians in Miami but probably not the type you want to meet if you are a regular church goer  :chuckle:

Is your girl from Russia or Ukraine?  And have you planned for her to come over and live?  If you haven't even met yet I'd take it 1 step at a time!
If her English is near perfect then she shouldn't have problems communicating. culturally it would be a bit of an adjustment.  Go meet her first.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Confederate on September 21, 2019, 09:40:19 AM

Oh well I didn't know that, heh. I know she can make friends with anyone, but I want her to be friends with other good women. All my sisters live in the same town, and churches nearby, so I think she will be OK.

We will be living in South Florida in Palm Beach County. That's the plan anyways. We skype often and I'm flying over in a month or so. She speaks near perfect English. So far so good.

Hunter7 welcome to the forum! There's alot of Russians in Miami but probably not the type you want to meet if you are a regular church goer  :chuckle:

Is your girl from Russia or Ukraine?  And have you planned for her to come over and live?  If you haven't even met yet I'd take it 1 step at a time!
If her English is near perfect then she shouldn't have problems communicating. culturally it would be a bit of an adjustment.  Go meet her first.

I second welcoming you Hunter7.

There are Baptist Church’s which have Russians and Ukrainians.

Ukrainian Catholic Church’s and Russian Orthodox Church’s.

Hopefully you’ll find a place she likes and feels welcome.

And plenty of Russians in Florida overall. I think it’s more important though for her to make American friends here in her adopted homeland.
Title: Re: Women After Childbirth: Can Their Body Recover?
Post by: Confederate on September 21, 2019, 05:09:44 PM
I think it’s more important though for her to make American friends here in her adopted homeland.

I disagree. My wife has the odd random pal in the UK (mothers of kids at school for example who invite her to places, women she has met on her travels, etc), but she never made any close friends here with British women in 13 or so years. And she is totally cool with that and happy to stay in touch with her friends in Russia.

She always thought British women don’t really share her values. They want to go out eating chips, or McDonald’s, drinking a lot and nightclubbing till 3am. She’s not into excessive drinking or junk food. British women don’t really get the foreign woman who wants to eat steamed fish before 6pm so she doesn’t get fat, drinks kefir and isn’t interested in being out till 3am drunk.

Women where we live don’t seem particularly big into family values, health, fitness, the gym, fashion or having their kids learn the piano for example. They don’t appear terribly interested in psychology, feng shui, interesting books, travel or other stuff my wife is interested in. They seem big into visiting Nando’s, watching reality TV, obsessing about crap on Facebook, drinking gin and tonic and falling over drunk at 2am while their kids play video games.

You’re talking about the entirely wrong group of U.K. women. I’m clearly not talking about those type of women and I don’t believe the OP is either.

If the OP visits a large traditional Baptist Church for example they are all about wholesome family values and surprise surprise there are slender attractive women there (they’re married or they have boyfriends they plan to marry) who are into eating healthy and getting plenty of exercise.

You make a lot of stereotypes which I realize are certainly true with some groups of people but certainly not all.

It’s probably easier to just keep the old friends however there are probably some U.K. women with similar attitudes etc as your wife it just might be more of an adventure to find them.