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Title: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Omega1982 on February 04, 2015, 10:23:57 AM
I plan to arrive in Moscow's DME airport at approximately 1530 on a Tuesday.  My flight to Irkutsk is at 2130 out of SVO. 

I tried to make them both out of the same airport however this was not possible with the airline's schedule and my work schedule. 

I understand there is a shuttle between airports and I know I will encounter rush hour traffic. 

Can anyone recommend anything nice to do or see or a restaurant near the SVO airport. 

This will just be to kill time.  I plan to be in Moscow three days at the end of my trip. 
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: ECR844 on February 04, 2015, 10:35:09 AM
There's a large mall just outside SVO which has a few avg RU style restaurants in it or you could go for broke and eat at TGIFridays depending on which terminal of the 5 you're flying out of at SVO.
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: shakespear on February 04, 2015, 01:46:42 PM
I plan to arrive in Moscow's DME airport at approximately 1530 on a Tuesday.  My flight to Irkutsk is at 2130 out of SVO. 

I understand there is a shuttle between airports and I know I will encounter rush hour traffic. 

Can anyone recommend anything nice to do or see or a restaurant near the SVO airport. 


If you are travelling light then take the Aeroexpress from DME to Paveletskaya
and then Aeroexpress from Belorusskaya to SVO.  Each leg will take less than an
hour.  Total cost about 20 bucks.  No traffic jams to worry about.  Check the schedules
on the webpage to coordinate your departure times.  You will probably have time to
have lunch in downtown Moscow if you're careful.

The Hudson is very close to Belorusskaya and is an excellent place to have lunch. 
http://www.hudsonbar.ru

There is also a TGIF at SVO that has a limited menu that will work for lunch as well. 
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: andrewfi on February 04, 2015, 03:36:36 PM
I was just looking at the times. I have only done that transit twice and a long time ago but I reckon you don't have as much time as you think you do!
I bet that you take an hour to get through immigration, if Shakey's transit times are about right then that's two hours. (my recollection was that it was faster, but I was not using public transport). You'll want to give a couple of hours at the other end. Of course you can scrimp on that but if you end up spending time in Moscow chowing down you'll kick your slack time in the nuts!

So, your fixed times are about 5 hours out of a 6 hour layover without eating.

If I were you I'd take it easy, go straight to SVO and have something to eat at the airport. When I was there it was a dump, but that was years ago. But, surely, better to relax there where you can control your time than to have a hurried meal en route that you don't have time to enjoy.
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Slumba on February 04, 2015, 03:40:57 PM
I would second shakespear's advice, he definitely knows his way around Moscow. 

Note that the Aeroexpress is a train that goes from the airport to a particular stop on the Moscow metro system.

So you will go from DME to one stop on the metro, take the metro system (was about 35 rubles last time I was there) to the other stop, then get on the second Aeroexpress train and go to SVO.
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: mhr7 on February 04, 2015, 03:46:33 PM
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I bet that you take an hour to get through immigration

It might depend on the day and time he arrives but I got through immigration at DME in about 5 minutes 3 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: andrewfi on February 04, 2015, 04:27:10 PM
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I bet that you take an hour to get through immigration

It might depend on the day and time he arrives but I got through immigration at DME in about 5 minutes 3 weeks ago.

And getting your bag took how long?

The point is that he needs to be at a place, at a time. One does not therefore plan for the fastest possible time, and it'd be harder to imagine taking less than 5 minutes, anywhere. Bags take their time and there's the walking around time. Planning a leisurely lunch in the centre of Moscow does not really figure into the thing.
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Fussy on February 05, 2015, 03:08:58 AM
What Shakespear and Andrew both said.
1. Get bag at DME (30+ minutes)
2. Customs is usually fast.
3. get Aeroexpress (30 mins)
4, Metro (excellent and cheap, if you know what you are doing.)
5. get aeroexpress to VKO

How much time do you really have as a safety factor?
May be better to book another flight, stay overnight at cheap hotel, and not miss flights.  A few hours killing time in local magazins is better than rushing to a flight you missed. Also, a good chance to buy real souvenirs (not from airport) and flowers for the girl.
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Volshe on February 05, 2015, 04:27:39 AM
I am with Andrew on this one, albeit shakespear is right too... But you might loose your plain and i wouldn't risque - it does seem you'll be long ours at the airport, but in fact you need at least 1h to get downtown , 1 h to go back, i am not sure about domestic flights, but the latest you should be at the airport is probably 1.5h before your flight... If you don't know the city and don't speak the language, having in mind all the things that might go wrong... I wouldn't do it, more so that there are plenty of restaurants at DME and a free wifi.

p.s. no rush hours on Tuesday there, weekends are tough because many take that route to their datchas; if there aren't road works you should be fine taking a cab as well (albeit i am not sure about taking gypsy cabs if you don't speak the language, maybe you could check the airport taxi service which is more expensive, but safer.)
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: andrewfi on February 05, 2015, 04:48:50 AM
When I did the transfer I took a cab. I had considered using one of the transfer firms as they were advertising a rate much lower than the scare stories on forums about taxi prices. I had tried to book a firm recommended/shilled by a forum poster at the time but they were useless to talk to. Anyway, I ended up paying a taxi outside the terminal a figure that was slightly lower than the transfer firm quoted and much less than the scare story rates.

Perhaps it helped that I told the birddog on the rank what I was willing to pay, or that I knew exactly where the bus stop was for the transfer (thanks to another poster of the time) but the price I paid seemed reasonable to me. ;)
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Volshe on February 05, 2015, 05:00:29 AM
When I did the transfer I took a cab. I had considered using one of the transfer firms as they were advertising a rate much lower than the scare stories on forums about taxi prices. I had tried to book a firm recommended/shilled by a forum poster at the time but they were useless to talk to. Anyway, I ended up paying a taxi outside the terminal a figure that was slightly lower than the transfer firm quoted and much less than the scare story rates.

Perhaps it helped that I told the birddog on the rank what I was willing to pay, or that I knew exactly where the bus stop was for the transfer (thanks to another poster of the time) but the price I paid seemed reasonable to me. ;)

Andrew, i took the official cab only once - i think (if i remember clearly) the service is before you pass the customs and it's super cool, you get your own protocol person who escorts you through the airport and to the cab; i had paid 50 euros (could be it was flat rate? ), which was some 2 000 rubles then, 'twas awesome.

Right, the OP also needs to change money at the airport, so to have rubles on him, the exchange rate is lower there, but on a small sum it's not a biggie.

Otherwise, if one knows their ways in Moscow and is concerned about budget - it's always better to grab a gypsy cab which delivered passengers to the airport, as they charge less on the return trip. The cab drivers who wait for the passengers at the airport won't be happy that you made your own arrangement, but if it's done quickly, you are good ;)
Title: from DME to SVO with AeroExpress and subway
Post by: Olga_Mouse on February 10, 2015, 07:23:46 AM
1) In order to avoid losing time on cash exchange, and if you have some 40 roubles for subway, purchase Aeroexpress tickets online in advance from their website. Unfortunately they don't sell online the "inter-airport" (2 train trips + 1 subway trip) tickets - so buy at least DME - Paveletsky and Belorussky - SVO tickets.

http://www.aeroexpress.ru/en/domodedovo/timetable.html

Or, alternatively, ask someone from Russia to purchase the tickets online with bank cards in Russian roubles, and send the barcodes to your smarphone (you can use your smartphone screen instead of the printed ticket).

2) According to my 19 years 5 months experience as a tour-manager, your schedule would look like that:

15:30 landing at DME

  passports, luggage, customs, walking through the whole airport to another end = 16:00 train is gone. So...

16:30 Aeroexpress from DME

17:15 at Paveletsky train station

17:16 - 17:25 Crawling with all your luggage and hand-luggage into subway. I'd recommend using rather green line than ring line: the entrance to the "green" line is closer to AeroExpress at Paveletskaya, and the exit from "green" line is closer to AeroExpress at Belorusskaya, then the ring \  circle line.

17:30 - 17:48 in subway

17:48 - 17:55 trying to see the light of day again :)

...and if you're VERY lucky, you'll catch the 18:00 AeroExpress to SVO, to be there there at 18:37. If not - then...

18:30 from Belorussky (enjoy wi-fi and WC, not available on DME line)

!!! While in the train, stand up from your seat and move to the 2nd carriage (closer to the exit) as soon as you'll hear the announcement (that's usually 5 minutes before AeroExpress is arriving to SVO). Being the first at the ticket gates, and then at security check, will save you up to 25 minutes.

19:05 at SVO

19:10 Ticket gates (if you're not amongst the first lucky dozen - but these are usually airport employees or experienced travellers with a minimum of luggage)

19:12-19:25 loooong line & security check to enter the terminal

!!! While standing in the line, remove all metal objects, phone, wallet from your trouser's pocket. It will save you 1-2 minutes.

19:35-19:45 walking to Terminal D (the very end of it, 'cause you need domestic flights luggage drop-off)

!!! Do the online check-in (and print the boarding pass if you can) at Aeroflot website before you leave your homecountry. It will help you a) to get the better seat for your 5 hours long night flight, and b) the line to luggage drop-off counter is much shorter than the line to check-in counters (you'll be at SVO at the time when all the flights for eastern direction are being checked-in = crazy hysterical crowds everywhere).

http://www.aeroflot.ru/cms/en/online_registration

19:50 (at best!) luggage drop-off (counters 10-15, IIRC)

20:00 security once again (now with belt, shoes, water and other liquids... full strip and cavity search)

Enjoy your beer at... how that pseudo-pub next to gate 17 is called?

20:30 paying your bill at the pub

20:40 WC

20:45 walking to your gate (Irkutsk usually boards quite far from the pub)

20:50 boarding

21:30 departure

I see NO time in your schedule for a meal in Orient Express or il Patio in terminal D, let alone some meals in the city.

The schedule that you have might be OK for a foreigner who has a) only carry-on luggage and b) experienced Russian tour-manager \ guide \ interpreter with him. But for a foreigner traveling alone and with checked-in luggage it is quite tight.  Maximum concentration and preparation required in order not to miss your flight to Irkutsk.
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Volshe on February 10, 2015, 07:34:36 AM

Enjoy your beer at... how that pseudo-pub next to gate 17 is called?


I think it's "Irish pub"  ;D AND, better have rubles handy, as they don't take foreign currency (and G-d only knows what's the situation with credit cards right now.)

What a great post, Olga!  :thumbsup:

Maybe we could make it a sticky, it's really valuable - and most importantly - 1st hand info  :)
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Olga_Mouse on February 10, 2015, 07:38:51 AM

I think it's "Irish pub"  ;D AND, better have rubles handy, as they don't take foreign currency (and G-d only knows what's the situation with credit cards right now.)


Erm, I'd say it's a pseudo-Irish pub - but it has a name (Kathie O'Connels or something... definitely NOT Rosie O'Gradies :)).

Re. credit cards - could you please clarify, what do you mean? It has been problematic for about a year to pay in EU with cards issued by Russian banks (due to a) US sanctions and b) crazily jumping exchange rate); but I haven't heard from any foreign colleagues experiencing difficulties with using their cards while in Russia...
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Volshe on February 10, 2015, 09:03:31 AM

I think it's "Irish pub"  ;D AND, better have rubles handy, as they don't take foreign currency (and G-d only knows what's the situation with credit cards right now.)


Erm, I'd say it's a pseudo-Irish pub - but it has a name (Kathie O'Connels or something... definitely NOT Rosie O'Gradies :)).

Oh, i missed it had a name too!  ;D


Re. credit cards - could you please clarify, what do you mean? It has been problematic for about a year to pay in EU with cards issued by Russian banks (due to a) US sanctions and b) crazily jumping exchange rate); but I haven't heard from any foreign colleagues experiencing difficulties with using their cards while in Russia...

Olga, they didn't accept my VISA couple of months ago - i was so tired and anxious (think of clubbing the night before - farewell party n Moscow, you get an idea  ;D), that i really can't recall was it something momentary or a permanent issue, but they wouldn't charge my card; i always have rubles handy for such purposes, so i didn't dwell too much on it. Sorry i can't give more precise info, as you see from my posts, my own memories from arrivals/ departures are somewhat fogged, as due to my schedule i usually depart/ arrive quite exhausted  :(
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: MrMann on February 10, 2015, 09:13:34 AM
Erm, I'd say it's a pseudo-Irish pub - but it has a name (Kathie O'Connels or something... definitely NOT Rosie O'Gradies :)).

Shannon's Irish Bar. Be aware that you can't hear gate announcements in the bar. Or at least we couldn't....
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: shakespear on February 10, 2015, 09:16:27 AM
Erm, I'd say it's a pseudo-Irish pub - but it has a name (Kathie O'Connels or something... definitely NOT Rosie O'Gradies :)).


Katie OShea's is a popular British expat bar near Prospect Mira Metro
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Volshe on February 10, 2015, 09:21:14 AM
Erm, I'd say it's a pseudo-Irish pub - but it has a name (Kathie O'Connels or something... definitely NOT Rosie O'Gradies :)).

Shannon's Irish Bar. Be aware that you can't hear gate announcements in the bar. Or at least we couldn't....

Erm, I'd say it's a pseudo-Irish pub - but it has a name (Kathie O'Connels or something... definitely NOT Rosie O'Gradies :)).


Katie OShea's is a popular British expat bar near Prospect Mira Metro

We rock!!!  :thumbsup: We should start our own intelligence agency or a political party... OR BOTH!  ;D RUA RULES!
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: NS1 on February 10, 2015, 09:34:43 AM
Erm, I'd say it's a pseudo-Irish pub - but it has a name (Kathie O'Connels or something... definitely NOT Rosie O'Gradies :)).

Shannon's Irish Bar. Be aware that you can't hear gate announcements in the bar. Or at least we couldn't....

Erm, I'd say it's a pseudo-Irish pub - but it has a name (Kathie O'Connels or something... definitely NOT Rosie O'Gradies :)).


Katie OShea's is a popular British expat bar near Prospect Mira Metro

We rock!!!  :thumbsup: We should start our own intelligence agency or a political party... OR BOTH!  ;D RUA RULES!
We would be like most political systems, nobody agrees, so nothing gets done :chuckle:
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Volshe on February 10, 2015, 09:51:24 AM

We would be like most political systems, nobody agrees, so nothing gets done :chuckle:

Not really, we have you, Westy, Don, Anathema, Bill, Ste, DS, Orchid, Avvy, AJ and other members for democracy and all-things-that make the West most progressive civilization that there ever was under the sun, THEN you have Mandy, Andrew, myself, TomT, Sparky, Sharon, B.B., Shakey, Cuffy, yankee, Mike and others who'd keep the things from becoming too liberal and, you know, from falling apart  ;D (AND Larry, Slumba, Rosco, Ishtmus, tonton, bagaglia, d. from Canada, ManyQuestions and couple of others would be the best agitprop &  foreign affairs than we ever dreamed of and hoped for!)
And i nominate Olga_Mouse for our honorary consul in Russia, to begin with, until we consolidate and can promote her to an Ambassador with CD status, villa in some fancy area, and a limo driven by a sexy guy (after all, we want our Ambassadors to represent truthfully what classy & stylish group we are  :KISSSS: )

p.s. something more - i suggest Cuffy being moved from RUA internal affairs to RUA ministry  of defense, i see him as our Minister of defense, and GriffCo as his deputy (as long as they swear NOT to play a coup-d'etat on us and overthrow us all!  ;D)
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: shakespear on February 10, 2015, 12:11:49 PM
We rock!!!  :thumbsup: We should start our own intelligence agency or a political party... OR BOTH!  ;D RUA RULES!

Babe, they don't call me "the night Mayor of Moscow" for nothing        :evilgrin0002:
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: andrewfi on February 10, 2015, 12:13:59 PM
We rock!!!  :thumbsup: We should start our own intelligence agency or a political party... OR BOTH!  ;D RUA RULES!

Babe, they don't call me "the night Mayor of Moscow" for nothing        :evilgrin0002:

Are you sure that is not our old friend Chivo's role?  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Volshe on February 10, 2015, 12:16:11 PM
We rock!!!  :thumbsup: We should start our own intelligence agency or a political party... OR BOTH!  ;D RUA RULES!

Babe, they don't call me "the night Mayor of Moscow" for nothing        :evilgrin0002:

:KISSSS:
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Olga_Mouse on February 12, 2015, 03:08:06 PM
And i nominate Olga_Mouse for our honorary consul in Russia, to begin with, until we consolidate and can promote her to an Ambassador with CD status, villa in some fancy area, and a limo driven by a sexy guy (after all, we want our Ambassadors to represent truthfully what classy & stylish group we are  :KISSSS: )

Dear Volshe, thank you for the nomination - but can this Ambassador's post be exchanged against a EU residence (even without a villa, limo and a sexy guy)  :knit:

When Omega1982 would reappear online (it's Thursday already - so he hopefully arrived to Irkutsk yesterday morning, and even recovered from the jetlag...), I'd be curious to read how his schedule looked in reality.

P.S.
...and Volshe, thanks for telling about troubles with your VISA card - but I think it was rather a communication error between 2 banks, than something political.
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Volshe on February 12, 2015, 03:41:30 PM


Dear Volshe, thank you for the nomination - but can this Ambassador's post be exchanged against a EU residence (even without a villa, limo and a sexy guy)  :knit:

We shall lobby for that with all our might! After all, we need to have at least one of our women in Brussels (Parliament, Commission etc., we need to have all structures covered)! I am not suggesting NATO as i am afraid Cuffy and Griff have already lobbied for someone they thought of ... You know how they are  :hidechair:
(And no, a villa, limo and a sexy guy are not negotiable, they go by default!)

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When Omega1982 would reappear online (it's Thursday already - so he hopefully arrived to Irkutsk yesterday morning, and even recovered from the jetlag...), I'd be curious to read how his schedule looked in reality.

Yep, me too. I didn't want to pour on his parade, but you were 100% right, unless someone really experienced from Moscow waited for him at the airport and took him downtown and back to the airport, it's rather a crazy idea. (Myself, i didn't risque during the 7h long layover in Vienna, i did want to see the city, but then i can't speak German, was never there, don't know anyone who'd pick me up - take me back, and with all the online research i had done, i had decided i was risking to miss my flight to Kishinev... The next flight wasn't anytime soon and i had to be in Moldova at pre-scheduled time for work. Call me a chicken, but i prefer to be on the safe side. ;))


P.S.
...and Volshe, thanks for telling about troubles with your VISA card - but I think it was rather a communication error between 2 banks, than something political.

I believe you are right  :)
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Omega1982 on February 12, 2015, 10:01:18 PM
Spasiba Bolshoi Olga!   :saint:
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Olga_Mouse on February 13, 2015, 02:17:01 PM

Yep, me too.


...considering he posted just above with "Spasibo bolshoe Olga", I guess my schedule was correct  :biggrin:


I didn't want to pour on his parade, but you were 100% right, unless someone really experienced from Moscow waited for him at the airport and took him downtown and back to the airport, it's rather a crazy idea. (Myself, i didn't risque during the 7h long layover in Vienna, i did want to see the city, but then i can't speak German, was never there, don't know anyone who'd pick me up - take me back, and with all the online research i had done, i had decided i was risking to miss my flight to Kishinev... The next flight wasn't anytime soon and i had to be in Moldova at pre-scheduled time for work. Call me a chicken, but i prefer to be on the safe side. ;))


Well, Vienna is easy, really.

Kishinev means you've flown with OS - means new Terminal 3 - and discount code for CAT (city airport train) printed on your boarding pass (if you did online check-in).

CAT is every 30 minutes http://www.cityairporttrain.com/, 16 minutes ride, 17 EUR round trip \ 11 EUR one-way, 20% discount with OS boarding passes.

There's S-Bahn (line 7) as well; also every 30 minutes (25 or 30 minutes ride). Tickets cost 4.40 one way, IIRC (so round trip must be 8.80 EUR).

Both take you to Wien Mitte, with all the main sights at the 5 minutes walking distance.

Shall you need to go to Hauptbahnhof, there are (since October) some ICEs going from the airport there - but the area is just disguisting  :sick0012:

If you had 7 hours between the flights while traveling to Kishinev (OS leaving at 12:40), it means you've arrived to Vienna at 05:40 - or? Quite early, IMO...

So you could have taken either CAT at 06:06, or S7 at 06:17 - arrive to Wien Mitte at 06:22 or 06:43 - have about 4,5 hours for sightseeing, Zachertorte and cappuccino  :coffeeread: , and even some shopping - trip back from Wien Mitte around 11 - at the airport around half past eleven - through security check and passport control - take-off at 12:40  :plane:. All nice and easy, and stress free :)

Not speaking German wouldn't be a problem - after all, for most GERMANS using "hoch Deutsch" viennese accent would sound at least ridiculous (not to mention tyrolean or stirian accents). But they all learn English at school, and the level of English knowledge in Austria in general is much better than what you could have witnessed in Russia, for example.
Title: Re: Layover in Moscow
Post by: Volshe on February 13, 2015, 02:36:28 PM
Zachertorte and cappuccino  :coffeeread: , and even some shopping

Yes! That's all i wanted!  ;D

Thank you so much, Olga!  I've saved the information you shared, thank you once again  :)