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Title: President Trump
Post by: Manny on June 16, 2015, 05:12:38 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/610888547839672321

Any thoughts?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 16, 2015, 05:34:39 PM

He has a shot at making it. People are so sick of politicians that they might vote for a businessman. Especially someone who doesn't need to be bought. I can see the Don financing his campaign with a billlion ot two of his 9 billion dollars. He loves getting attention and shooting his mouth off. This sure gives him a chance to get to do both. Besides I have the impression he loves his county and would like to clean out the stables he has been contending with his entire life.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 16, 2015, 06:53:23 PM

I would love it if he won the nomination, and I for one would definitely vote for him. That said I don't think he is serious. If he is, I am not sure if he will garner enough support. My personal favorite is Marco Rubio, followed by Ted Cruz. If either of those get the nomination, I will be very happy as well.

For sure he is going to do his best to embarrass Hillary Clinton, as not being competent in any way, shape or form.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on June 18, 2015, 02:33:20 AM

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But while Trump had plenty of negative things to say about the Americans he is running against, he was surprisingly genial on the topic of Russia President Vladimir Putin.

“Putin has no respect for our president whatsoever. He’s got a tremendous popularity in Russia, they love what he’s doing, they love what he represents,” Trump said. “I was over in Moscow two years ago and I will tell you – you can get along with those people and get along with them well. You can make deals with those people. Obama can’t.”

“I would be willing to bet I would have a great relationship with Putin,” he added. “It’s about leadership.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-slams-jeb-praises-putin-in-extensive-interview-with-bill-oreilly/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 18, 2015, 03:00:24 AM

Whatever the strengths or weaknesses the guy may have he'll get nowhere without the party machinery. Without the local supporters and activists he'll not motivate the couch potatoes who are the majority of any vote cohort. Where's he going to get the ability to cut the deals, face to face, with incumbent powerbrokers and king makers.

The only way he could do anything is if he were to be able to co-opt the team of some other candidate, a strong candidate, who perhaps died while on the campaign trail but after garnering a good deal of grassroots support.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on June 18, 2015, 04:39:49 AM

Nearly everyone in the US knows "The Donald" yet he has to pay supporters.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-paid-actors-to-cheer-his-2016-launch-report/ar-AAbJCIZ?ocid=U146DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 18, 2015, 06:12:33 AM

Quote from: Manny on June 18, 2015, 02:33:20 AM

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But while Trump had plenty of negative things to say about the Americans he is running against, he was surprisingly genial on the topic of Russia President Vladimir Putin.

“Putin has no respect for our president whatsoever. He’s got a tremendous popularity in Russia, they love what he’s doing, they love what he represents,” Trump said. “I was over in Moscow two years ago and I will tell you – you can get along with those people and get along with them well. You can make deals with those people. Obama can’t.”

“I would be willing to bet I would have a great relationship with Putin,” he added. “It’s about leadership.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-slams-jeb-praises-putin-in-extensive-interview-with-bill-oreilly/

I've already stated that a Republican President who puts action above pithy words would get along much better with Mr. Putin or any elected Russian officials for that matter.

Obama the Fool cannot even make deals with his own party. He is lazy, arrogant and incapable of real negotiations.

Furthermore most Republicans will be on the same page with Russians about the need to protect Religious Liberty for Christians and the need to protect children from the relentless gay propaganda emanating from the left.

Trump is very knowledgeable about military matters as well and would be no pushover on such. No doubt he is good at flattering his adversaries prior to making deals which the likes of Obama could only dream about.

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Trump attended the Kew-Forest School in Forest Hills, Queens, as did some of his siblings. At age 13 after he had some difficulties there, his parents sent him to the New York Military Academy (NYMA), hoping to direct his energy and assertiveness in a positive manner.[24] At NYMA, in rural New York, Trump earned academic honors, and played varsity football in 1962, varsity soccer in 1963, and varsity baseball from 1962 to 1964 (baseball captain 1964).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 18, 2015, 06:46:43 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on June 18, 2015, 04:39:49 AM

Nearly everyone in the US knows "The Donald" yet he has to pay supporters.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-paid-actors-to-cheer-his-2016-launch-report/ar-AAbJCIZ?ocid=U146DHP

Highly unlikely, I suggest you read your own link.

"Extra Mile Casting also dismissed claims it was involved in the campaign launch, The Hollywood Reporter said.

“We don’t know anything about that,” the talent agency said."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 18, 2015, 11:53:07 AM

One way or another most vociferous supporters of any US politician are rewarded for their voices.

It is worth remembering that Mr Trump is not quite the self made business genius that he portrays himself as being - not that he's done badly for himself mind you. ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Boris on June 18, 2015, 12:10:56 PM

No chance...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 18, 2015, 12:29:51 PM

Quote from: Boris on June 18, 2015, 12:10:56 PM

No chance...

If you are saying he has no chance to win the nomination I agree. However he does have a chance to shape the conversation which I believe is to the benefit of all Americans. And obviously it will help his ratings for his TV show.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: MBS01 on June 18, 2015, 01:15:04 PM

Trump just like Merkel can speak with Putin in their native language, one billionaire to another! Seems no one has yet mentioned the Donald's family background is from the good old FSU!! Go figure!! So as in Julie's day in Rome over 2,000 years ago we could have a group of 3 world leaders in power once again. This time two of FSU background and 1 from China. As in Rome it would be interesting which of the 3 would be the last leader standing! Enjoy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 18, 2015, 01:18:41 PM

Quote from: MBS01 on June 18, 2015, 01:15:04 PM

Trump just like Merkel can speak with Putin in their native language, one billionaire to another! Seems no one has yet mentioned the Donald's family background is from the good old FSU!! Go figure!! So as in Julie's day in Rome over 2,000 years ago we could have once again a group of world leaders. This time that FSU background and 1 from China. As in Rome it would be interesting which of the 3 would be the last leader standing! Enjoy.

Trumps paternal grandfather was German from Bavaria (Drumpf) so not sure what makes you think his family background is from the FSU. His mother was Scottish, born on the Isle of Lewis a Scottish island.

His current wife is from Slovenia so maybe you thought of that. Just think, the Don could do a TR here if he wanted to. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 18, 2015, 01:27:50 PM

Quote from: Boris on June 18, 2015, 12:10:56 PM

No chance...

No shit.

The guy is an ass clown.

He doesn't really want to be President.

He's just doing this to feed his gigantic ego.

He hasn't formed state committees or taken the first step to be on the primary ballot in any state. He's missed ballot deadlines for 2 of the first 5 states to have primaries so it is impossible for him to be on the ballot there.

His message resonates with frustrated conservative simpletons and idiots who have no idea how government actually works. All of the things he promised to accomplish as President; that office has absolutely zero power or constitutional authority to institute.

Make Mexico pay for "the wall" with stiff import tariffs? Bwhahahahahaha. Everyone go research the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 and see what the results of implementing strong tariffs on foreign imports have on an already struggling economy.

Last poll results that I read show that 60% of Republicans would NEVER actually vote for Trump as President.

To include him in the upcoming August debate would be a travesty because it would exclude an actually valid candidate from the process for the sake of allowing him to stroke his humongous ego.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 18, 2015, 01:34:57 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 18, 2015, 01:27:50 PM

Quote from: Boris on June 18, 2015, 12:10:56 PM
No chance...

No shit.

The guy is an ass clown.

He doesn't really want to be President.

He's just doing this to feed his gigantic ego.

He hasn't formed state committees or taken the first step to be on the primary ballot in any state. He's missed deadlines for 2 of the first 5 states to have primaries so it is impossible for him to be on the ballot there.

His message resonates with frustrated conservative simpletons and idiots who have no idea how government actually works. All of the things he promised to accomplish as President; that office has absolutely zero power or constitutional authority to institute.

And Obama has zero Constitutional authority for most of his executive orders, yet with the stroke of his pen hundreds of thousands of additional immigrants and child immigrants who made it to the USA will likely stay.

To claim that Trump could not accomplish things which would be hugely popular with a large segment of the population whilst Obama does illegal things which enrage people is just ludicrous.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 18, 2015, 03:13:42 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 18, 2015, 01:34:57 PM

And Obama has zero Constitutional authority for most of his executive orders, yet with the stroke of his pen hundreds of thousands of additional immigrants and child immigrants who made it to the USA will likely stay.

Haven't you been keeping up? 5th Federal Circuit Court of Appeals in Texas has quashed this particular Obama Executive Order. It won't be until Obama is out of office before the case comes to the 9 wise men(women) in Washington DC.

Quote from: Anteros on June 18, 2015, 01:34:57 PM

To claim that Trump could not accomplish things which would be hugely popular with a large segment of the population whilst Obama does illegal things which enrage people is just ludicrous.

Show some common sense Anteros. Trump wouldn't get 20% of the vote in a national election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 18, 2015, 05:34:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 18, 2015, 03:13:42 PM

Show some common sense Anteros. Trump wouldn't get 20% of the vote in a national election.

Please tell me that there is not 20% of the population that will vote for him. :(

Can some one sing cry for me America - ala Madonna.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 18, 2015, 06:44:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 18, 2015, 03:13:42 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 18, 2015, 01:34:57 PM
And Obama has zero Constitutional authority for most of his executive orders, yet with the stroke of his pen hundreds of thousands of additional immigrants and child immigrants who made it to the USA will likely stay.
Haven't you been keeping up? 5th Federal Circuit Court of Appeals in Texas has quashed this particular Obama Executive Order. It won't be until Obama is out of office before the case comes to the 9 wise men(women) in Washington DC.

The clear message sent by the Obama administration is why they crossed our border illegally in the first place.

The message from Trump would be they are not welcome, should not come, and if they do will be immediately turned back.

Obama has made a mockery of our Constitution and of the concept of working with our Congress to get deals done. Trump is an experienced negotiator who gets things done.

Chances are he will not make it very far in this election but at least he will help to shape the conversation in the right direction.

You apparently don't like him because of his large ego. Unlike Obama his ego is matched by accomplishments in business.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 19, 2015, 09:52:05 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on June 18, 2015, 05:34:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 18, 2015, 03:13:42 PM
Show some common sense Anteros. Trump wouldn't get 20% of the vote in a national election.

Please tell me that there is not 20% of the population that will vote for him. :(

Can some one sing cry for me America - ala Madonna.

HAHA!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 20, 2015, 11:57:47 AM

Quote from: Anteros on June 18, 2015, 06:44:52 PM

Chances are he will not make it very far in this election but at least he will help to shape the conversation in the right direction.

Gawd I hope not. Any input he might have makes all the Republican candidates look like idiots to the independents that will decide the election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Boris on June 20, 2015, 12:00:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 20, 2015, 11:57:47 AM

Quote from: Anteros on June 18, 2015, 06:44:52 PM

Chances are he will not make it very far in this election but at least he will help to shape the conversation in the right direction.

Gawd I hope not. Any input he might have makes all the Republican candidates look like idiots to the independents that will decide the election.

I miss Ike...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 22, 2015, 03:54:57 PM

The Donald will most likely not be a serious candidate. As of now he has not began the paper work involved, and is doubtful this is anything more than a publicity stunt.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on June 22, 2015, 05:20:19 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 22, 2015, 03:54:57 PM

As of now he has not began the paper work involved

Your media disagree: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-files-statement-of-candidacy/

I always thought him quite a likeable bloke. What I have read and seen up to now he is talking sense, and probably what America needs. That said, will he get enough votes? Doubtful. He is the US's answer to Farage.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 27, 2015, 08:15:56 PM

Quote from: Manny on June 22, 2015, 05:20:19 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 22, 2015, 03:54:57 PM
As of now he has not began the paper work involved

Your media disagree: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-files-statement-of-candidacy/

I always thought him quite a likeable bloke. What I have read and seen up to now he is talking sense, and probably what America needs. That said, will he get enough votes? Doubtful. He is the US's answer to Farage.

Donald Trump has taken a stance against the Mexican propaganda broadcaster Univision and it has only increased his popularity. Naturally some say that Trump is the wrong guy because he reinforces bad stereotypes about Republicans.

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First off, plenty of Mexican illegals have been accused and found guilty of rape. Because it runs counter to a narrative designed to pack the Southwest with Democrats, the same media that manufactures a rape crisis in our university system, buries actual rapes committed by these Democrats-In-Waiting.

What Donald Trump said about illegal aliens and rape and crime was not untrue, far from it. Trump’s sin was saying What Must Not Be Said; and saying it fearlessly.

Naturally, then, Trump must be destroyed by the mainstream media. Unfortunately for them, the media made just one mistake: they forgot that Donald Trump isn’t the usual-usual Republican who rolls over like a whipped puppy every time the media piles on.

Univision was intended to be the tip of the spear in this attack, and now it is Univision on defense. Moreover, it is Univision that is losing.

Univision was sure that if it publicly and loudly dropped Trump’s Miss Universe organization, including the beauty pageant, that the boldness of such an act of public shaming would put Trump on defense, and possibly implode his campaign. This was Jorge Ramos and Univision going straight for the kill-shot.

Except…

Donald Trump didn’t build an empire and forever alter the skylines of major cities throughout the world by rolling over every time an anti-American leftist like Jorge Ramos takes a shot at him.

We are now witnessing Trump doing what he should be doing (what he did so effectively to Neil Young) — what no Republican ever does: Trump’s not only fighting back, he’s fighting back smart, and doing so in a way that is exposing Univision as the left-wing propaganda machine it is.

First Trump banned Univision and its employees from his properties; he then loudly and publicly accused Univision of being in bed with the corrupt Mexican government; he is now threatening to file a defamation suit against Univision president Alberto Ciurana for comparing the real estate billionaire to a terrorist who murdered nine people in cold blood last week.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/27/dear-gop-trumps-fearless-war-with-univision-only-increases-his-appeal/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on June 27, 2015, 09:34:46 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 18, 2015, 06:44:52 PM

Trump is an experienced negotiator who gets things done.

This. I used to be against businessman turning politicians, because most i had met were in foreign politics and came across as lame in comparison with diplomats in career (and as much as it saddens me, AND nevertheless it's something i count on in the perspective, the same goes for artists/actors, doctors and writers, they usually don't have a clue). Lo and behold, i had the honor of meeting via work the president of Bulgaria and i've totally changed my mind, he does great work and serves his country in the best and most honorable ways; some countries are indeed better run as businesses and if the guy/ 'gal knows what they are doing - they can only benefit their respective countries. Btw, out Prime is quite business oriented too and i think that among else that's what saved us from drawing into Balkan nationalism and madness.
As a side note, because of some aspects of his public image, i have a bit of an issue to take Mr Trump seriously, but those things are not that difficult to change with a good PR team.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 27, 2015, 10:27:06 PM

Quote from: Volshe on June 27, 2015, 09:34:46 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 18, 2015, 06:44:52 PM
Trump is an experienced negotiator who gets things done.

This. I used to be against businessman turning politicians, because most i had met were in foreign politics and came across as lame in comparison with diplomats in career (and as much as it saddens me, AND nevertheless it's something i count on in the perspective, the same goes for artists/actors, doctors and writers, they usually don't have a clue). Lo and behold, i had the honor of meeting via work the president of Bulgaria and i've totally changed my mind, he does great work and serves his country in the best and most honorable ways; some countries are indeed better run as businesses and if the guy/ 'gal knows what they are doing - they can only benefit their respective countries. Btw, out Prime is quite business oriented too and i think that among else that's what saved us from drawing into Balkan nationalism and madness.
As a side note, because of some aspects of his public image, i have a bit of an issue to take Mr Trump seriously, but those things are not that difficult to change with a good PR team.

Unfortunately most of us already know that this is yet another publicity stunt for Mr. Trump so I understand the sentiment. I really wonder what he will do, if the polls show him in the lead or near it when the time is at hand?

I am just curious, what do you think of his wife who is from Slovenia? She seems both very intelligent and beautiful as well. He certainly has good taste in women, IMO.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on June 27, 2015, 10:47:18 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 27, 2015, 10:27:06 PM

I am just curious, what do you think of his wife who is from Slovenia? She seems both very intelligent and beautiful as well. He certainly has good taste in women, IMO.

I per one wouldn't want to judge her, but she's not really popular in these parts, she's considered to be a gold-digger and we don't really value women like that. :( (And it's not even the age gap, as it does happen here, esp. with popular and successful men - even if they are not rich, such as poets and painters.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 27, 2015, 10:52:09 PM

Quote from: Volshe on June 27, 2015, 10:47:18 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 27, 2015, 10:27:06 PM

I am just curious, what do you think of his wife who is from Slovenia? She seems both very intelligent and beautiful as well. He certainly has good taste in women, IMO.

I per one wouldn't want to judge her, but she's not really popular in these parts, she's considered to be a gold-digger and we don't really value women like that. :( (And it's not even the age gap, as it does happen here, esp. with popular and successful men - even if they are not rich, such as poets and painters.)

Well I don't know about her in particular but I will say that what you told me about values being upside down in the West is sadly often true. :(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on June 27, 2015, 11:00:33 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 27, 2015, 10:52:09 PM

Well I don't know about her in particular but I will say that what you told be about values being upside down in the West is sadly often true. :(

Don't you worry, we (East) are catching up with the speed of light! ;D It's better now though, than it used to be in the 90ies, that was a totally crazy time and i think everyone who managed to raise sane children during those times, does deserve to have monuments devoted to them. My own country is quite puritan in comparison with Western Europe and the older i am, the more i see a positive side to it: divorces are still quite low, girls are not promiscuous, drugs/ alcohol is not encouraged and so on. I hear tourists complain because it's not what they expect from an Eastern European country, but for our own nation it's way better like that ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 08:56:33 AM

Trump may very well have ended any chance he had.
you're not allowed to express your right to free speech, in the U.S. anymore. (:)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-pushes-forward-iowa-republican-party-concern/story?id=32061025

Hispanic leaders urge NBC to cut ties to Donald Trump

http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/27/media/donald-trump-nbc-univision/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on June 28, 2015, 09:07:48 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 08:56:33 AM

Trump may very well have ended any chance he had.
you're not allowed to express your right to free speech, in the U.S. anymore.

Hispanic leaders urge NBC to cut ties to Donald Trump

http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/27/media/donald-trump-nbc-univision/

Tom, it's a hate speech... :( He is right that generally it's not country's best that emigrate (albeit there have been precedences), he is right that many of those people have problems, but you can't label them all like that :duh: That's what i meant, he's too blunt.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 28, 2015, 10:19:13 AM

Quote from: Volshe on June 28, 2015, 09:07:48 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 08:56:33 AM
Trump may very well have ended any chance he had.
you're not allowed to express your right to free speech, in the U.S. anymore.

Hispanic leaders urge NBC to cut ties to Donald Trump

http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/27/media/donald-trump-nbc-univision/

Tom, it's a hate speech... :( He is right that generally it's not country's best that emigrate (albeit there have been precedences), he is right that many of those people have problems, but you can't label them all like that :duh: That's what i meant, he's too blunt.

Did he say "all"? Or is he pointing out there is a huge problem of violent crime attached to many of these people? They broke the law when they entered the US. Not a good way to start.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on June 28, 2015, 10:38:34 AM

Quote from: Maxx on June 28, 2015, 10:19:13 AM

Quote from: Volshe on June 28, 2015, 09:07:48 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 08:56:33 AM
Trump may very well have ended any chance he had.
you're not allowed to express your right to free speech, in the U.S. anymore.

Hispanic leaders urge NBC to cut ties to Donald Trump

http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/27/media/donald-trump-nbc-univision/

Tom, it's a hate speech... :( He is right that generally it's not country's best that emigrate (albeit there have been precedences), he is right that many of those people have problems, but you can't label them all like that :duh: That's what i meant, he's too blunt.

Did he say "all"? Or is he pointing out there is a huge problem of violent crime attached to many of these people? They broke the law when they entered the US. Not a good way to start.

I agree. And had he put it to words the way you do, it would be fine, but this is what he said: “[Mexico is] sending people that have lots of problems, and they are bringing those problems to us. They are bringing drugs, and bringing crime, and their rapists.” I mean, I don't pay taxes in the USA, i don't vote there, and it's basically your internal thing (AND you obviously know your own situation the best), but what i do know is that you can't make a political discourse in this way, without being viewed as an extremist and downright racist :biggrin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 10:53:37 AM

Quote from: Volshe on June 28, 2015, 10:38:34 AM

Quote from: Maxx on June 28, 2015, 10:19:13 AM
Quote from: Volshe on June 28, 2015, 09:07:48 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 08:56:33 AM
Trump may very well have ended any chance he had.
you're not allowed to express your right to free speech, in the U.S. anymore.

Hispanic leaders urge NBC to cut ties to Donald Trump

http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/27/media/donald-trump-nbc-univision/

Tom, it's a hate speech... :( He is right that generally it's not country's best that emigrate (albeit there have been precedences), he is right that many of those people have problems, but you can't label them all like that :duh: That's what i meant, he's too blunt.

Did he say "all"? Or is he pointing out there is a huge problem of violent crime attached to many of these people? They broke the law when they entered the US. Not a good way to start.

I agree. And had he put it to words the way you do, it would be fine, but this is what he said: “[Mexico is] sending people that have lots of problems, and they are bringing those problems to us. They are bringing drugs, and bringing crime, and their rapists.” I mean, I don't pay taxes in the USA, i don't vote there, and it's basically your internal thing (AND you obviously know your own situation the best), but what i do know is that you can't make a political discourse in this way, without being viewed as an extremist and downright racist :biggrin:

The United states has become too politically correct.
Dose not matter how you word it, all will be deemed racist.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on June 28, 2015, 11:13:27 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 10:53:37 AM

The United states has become too politically correct.
Dose not matter how you word it, all will be deemed racist.

Tom, politics everywhere is quite hypocritical and it takes a lot of smugness/ sleekness. Mind you, based on accounts on my friends who live there (as i tend to trust those most, way more than the media), i know he has a point and i've even heard such opinions, that unless you guys do something asap, your social care system could become non-existent in 10y (i don't know how true is that & hope it is not, but) big games have their own rules, D.Trump knows them and for some reason chooses not to play by them... Why, i don't know, but it's not the way to go, unless his' candidacy indeed was merely a publicity stunt :duh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 28, 2015, 11:26:16 AM

Quote from: Volshe on June 28, 2015, 11:13:27 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 10:53:37 AM

The United states has become too politically correct.
Dose not matter how you word it, all will be deemed racist.

Tom, politics everywhere is quite hypocritical and it takes a lot of smugness/ sleekness. Mind you, based on accounts on my friends who live there (as i tend to trust those most, way more than the media), i know he has a point and i've even heard such opinions, that unless you guys do something asap, your social care system could become non-existent in 10y (i don't know how true is that & hope it is not, but) big games have their own rules, D.Trump knows them and for some reason chooses not to play by them... Why, i don't know, but it's not the way to go, unless his' candidacy indeed was merely a publicity stunt :duh:

Trump knows that a certain percentage of Americans are exhausted by "politically correct" speech and want somebody to be blunt. He also knows that what he is saying has a large degree of truth to it. Plus the fact that by being bold, he keeps his name brand in the spotlight. Remember the old saying "fortune favors the bold"? I'm quite certain you know who first said that. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on June 28, 2015, 11:38:14 AM

Quote from: Anteros on June 28, 2015, 11:26:16 AM

Trump knows that a certain percentage of Americans are exhausted by "politically correct" speech and want somebody to be blunt. He also knows that what he is saying has a large degree of truth to it. Plus the fact that by being bold, he keeps his name brand in the spotlight. Remember the old saying "fortune favors the bold"? I'm quite certain you know who first said that. :)

Truth to be told, i didn't know (who first said that), but Google cometh to my rescue :hidechair:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 28, 2015, 11:41:30 AM

Quote from: Volshe on June 28, 2015, 11:38:14 AM

Quote from: Anteros on June 28, 2015, 11:26:16 AM

Trump knows that a certain percentage of Americans are exhausted by "politically correct" speech and want somebody to be blunt. He also knows that what he is saying has a large degree of truth to it. Plus the fact that by being bold, he keeps his name brand in the spotlight. Remember the old saying "fortune favors the bold"? I'm quite certain you know who first said that. :)

Truth to be told, i didn't know (who first said that), but Google cometh to my rescue :hidechair:

http://www.history.com/topics/ancient-history/alexander-the-great

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 12:00:50 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 28, 2015, 11:26:16 AM

Quote from: Volshe on June 28, 2015, 11:13:27 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 10:53:37 AM

The United states has become too politically correct.
Dose not matter how you word it, all will be deemed racist.

Tom, politics everywhere is quite hypocritical and it takes a lot of smugness/ sleekness. Mind you, based on accounts on my friends who live there (as i tend to trust those most, way more than the media), i know he has a point and i've even heard such opinions, that unless you guys do something asap, your social care system could become non-existent in 10y (i don't know how true is that & hope it is not, but) big games have their own rules, D.Trump knows them and for some reason chooses not to play by them... Why, i don't know, but it's not the way to go, unless his' candidacy indeed was merely a publicity stunt :duh:

Trump knows that a certain percentage of Americans are exhausted by "politically correct" speech and want somebody to be blunt. He also knows that what he is saying has a large degree of truth to it. Plus the fact that by being bold, he keeps his name brand in the spotlight. Remember the old saying "fortune favors the bold"? I'm quite certain you know who first said that. :)

Anteros, you have a good point, Jesse Ventura was very out spoken and few thought he stood a chance to become governor. He won the election here in Minnesota, and was never a dull moment while he was in office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 28, 2015, 12:17:32 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 12:00:50 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 28, 2015, 11:26:16 AM
Quote from: Volshe on June 28, 2015, 11:13:27 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 10:53:37 AM

The United states has become too politically correct.
Dose not matter how you word it, all will be deemed racist.

Tom, politics everywhere is quite hypocritical and it takes a lot of smugness/ sleekness. Mind you, based on accounts on my friends who live there (as i tend to trust those most, way more than the media), i know he has a point and i've even heard such opinions, that unless you guys do something asap, your social care system could become non-existent in 10y (i don't know how true is that & hope it is not, but) big games have their own rules, D.Trump knows them and for some reason chooses not to play by them... Why, i don't know, but it's not the way to go, unless his' candidacy indeed was merely a publicity stunt :duh:

Trump knows that a certain percentage of Americans are exhausted by "politically correct" speech and want somebody to be blunt. He also knows that what he is saying has a large degree of truth to it. Plus the fact that by being bold, he keeps his name brand in the spotlight. Remember the old saying "fortune favors the bold"? I'm quite certain you know who first said that. :)

Anteros, you have a good point, Jesse Ventura was very out spoken and few thought he stood a chance to become governor. He won the election here in Minnesota, and was never a dull moment while he was in office.

I remember that day. I was listening to the radio so closely I forgot to monitor my gauges and ran out of gas a mile from Rogers, Minnesota.

Many Americans are yearning for someone to say the things that others are afraid to do.

Trump has a HUGE ego and IMO that is his greatest asset. He will want to go down in the history books as the president who turned things around. Of course the entire establishment will try to stop him. They want another Demopublican or Republicrat to keep the special interests and themselves well funded and happy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 28, 2015, 12:36:27 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 12:00:50 PM

Anteros, you have a good point, Jesse Ventura was very out spoken and few thought he stood a chance to become governor. He won the election here in Minnesota, and was never a dull moment while he was in office.

Oh Gawd let's not use Minnesota as an example of political normalcy for the United States.

This is the same state that elected inexperienced comedian Al Franken to the US Senate.

Ventura was a one-term Governor and a horrible one at that. He won with less than 37% of the vote in an 8 candidate ballot. His most famous quote while in office was that he would "never stand for a national anthem again” There were TWO recall motions filed against him during his single term in office.

Let's not confuse him with a legitimate politician however it would be a realistic comparison to link him as an ass-clown wanna be politician with Donald Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 28, 2015, 01:06:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 28, 2015, 12:36:27 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 12:00:50 PM
Anteros, you have a good point, Jesse Ventura was very out spoken and few thought he stood a chance to become governor. He won the election here in Minnesota, and was never a dull moment while he was in office.
Let's not confuse him with a legitimate politician however it would be a realistic comparison to link him as an ass-clown wanna be politician with Donald Trump.

I'm wondering if you would say that to Trump's face? :popcorn:

Anyhow he has been doing well, at least in the FOX news poll.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 28, 2015, 01:27:53 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 28, 2015, 01:06:38 PM

I'm wondering if you would say that to Trump's face?

Why not? What's he gonna do. Hit me?

Quote from: Anteros on June 28, 2015, 01:06:38 PM

Anyhow he has been doing well, at least in the FOX news poll.

That's because there are always a percentage of ~~idiots~~ uneducated voters (like you)who ignore political reality.

It's what Hillary Clinton is counting on in 2016.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 28, 2015, 01:47:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 28, 2015, 01:27:53 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 28, 2015, 01:06:38 PM
I'm wondering if you would say that to Trump's face?

Why not? What's he gonna do. Hit me?

Quote from: Anteros on June 28, 2015, 01:06:38 PM
Anyhow he has been doing well, at least in the FOX news poll.

That's because there are always a percentage of ~~idiots~~ uneducated voters (~~like you)who ignore political reality~~.

It's what Hillary Clinton is counting on in 2016.

Uh, no. I don't expect Trump to be the nominee, so you're barking up the wrong tree.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 02:25:26 PM

Regardless of whether or not Trump will get the nomination, it will make for an entertaining presidential run for the republicans.

Donald Trump bump terrifies GOP

Insiders worry the mogul will damage the eventual nominee and hurt a party struggling to connect with women and minorities.Read more:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/trump-bump-terrifies-gop-119449.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 28, 2015, 02:57:04 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 28, 2015, 02:25:26 PM

Regardless of whether or not Trump will get the nomination, it will make for an entertaining presidential run for the republicans.

Donald Trump bump terrifies GOP

Insiders worry the mogul will damage the eventual nominee and hurt a party struggling to connect with women and minorities.Read more:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/trump-bump-terrifies-gop-119449.html

This is very true and why it might be better if he gets out sooner rather than later. In reference to your post and also to Shakespear's post above about what Hillary Clinton is counting on; more than her counting on some not being informed voters, she is counting on the fact that Americans are saps who will vote her in not because she is even remotely qualified (she's not) but because she's a woman.

Just like a high percentage of voters felt sympathy for Obama even though he had no real qualifications, she is also counting on the sympathy vote. Those in the FSU who believe that Americans are weak and foolish might be proved correct. And those of us who have been depressed over the historic incompetence of Obama will likely be even more depressed over an angry and divisive person like Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on June 29, 2015, 02:07:57 PM

NBC fires Trump.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nbcuniversal-fires-donald-trump-over-remarks-about-mexicans/ar-AAcirjp?ocid=U146DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 29, 2015, 04:21:01 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on June 29, 2015, 02:07:57 PM

NBC fires Trump.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nbcuniversal-fires-donald-trump-over-remarks-about-mexicans/ar-AAcirjp?ocid=U146DHP

Trump says he's going to sue them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 29, 2015, 04:30:00 PM

Quote from: Maxx on June 29, 2015, 04:21:01 PM

Trump says he's going to sue them.

Good luck.

Guarantee there is a morals clause in his contract.

What an ass-clown . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 02, 2015, 10:21:06 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 29, 2015, 04:30:00 PM

Quote from: Maxx on June 29, 2015, 04:21:01 PM
Trump says he's going to sue them.

Good luck.

Guarantee there is a morals clause in his contract.

What an ass-clown . . . . . . . . .

Trump is polling #2 in a nationwide poll behind Jeb Bush and #2 in the Iowa poll behind Scott Walker. Pretty good for an "ass-clown" and he shows no sign of backing down from his politically incorrect statements.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Fussy on July 04, 2015, 03:40:06 AM

God help the USA (and the rest of us) if Hilary gets her finger on the nuke button*. She may just decide to "prove herself", after decades of living on the public purse.

*Figure of speech, but metaphorically or literally, it's scary either way.

You'll have had 3-4 consecutive terms of presidents elected on sympathy/political correctness, rather than competence/suitability.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 04, 2015, 06:12:12 PM

Trump stands by statements on Mexican illegal immigrants, surprised by backlash

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/04/trump-stands-by-views-dangerous-mexican-illegal-immigrants-admits-surprised-by/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cdnexpat on July 05, 2015, 01:47:02 AM

Yes, elect the clown, and watch the remaining US respect go down the drain...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 05, 2015, 01:55:38 AM

Quote from: Fussy on July 04, 2015, 03:40:06 AM

God help the USA (and the rest of us) if Hilary gets her finger on the nuke button*. She may just decide to "prove herself", after decades of living on the public purse.

*Figure of speech, but metaphorically or literally, it's scary either way.

You'll have had 3-4 consecutive terms of presidents elected on sympathy/political correctness, rather than competence/suitability.

Reagan, Bush Sr., Bill Clinton were all IMO very good Presidents, the first two better than Bill. Unlike most Republicans I did not care to stick my nose into Bill Clinton's private life, however he made that worse by lying under oath.

That said we've had two bad Presidents in a row. Bush Jr. not a true conservative. True conservatives don't waste money (and lives) on foolish foreign wars. Obama? By far the worst this country has ever had, and his incompetence will haunt us for decades.

Hillary as Pres? Please God, don't curse us even more. :-X

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on July 11, 2015, 08:36:24 PM

This is really surprising to me. Donald is leading in republican poles. At this time he seems to be the most loved and hated candidate at the same time.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-freedomfest-you-cant-be-great-if-you-dont-n390546

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: GuppyCaptain on July 11, 2015, 09:13:35 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 05, 2015, 01:55:38 AM

Quote from: Fussy on July 04, 2015, 03:40:06 AM
God help the USA (and the rest of us) if Hilary gets her finger on the nuke button*. She may just decide to "prove herself", after decades of living on the public purse.

*Figure of speech, but metaphorically or literally, it's scary either way.

You'll have had 3-4 consecutive terms of presidents elected on sympathy/political correctness, rather than competence/suitability.

Reagan, Bush Sr., Bill Clinton were all IMO very good Presidents, the first two better than Bill. Unlike most Republicans I did not care to stick my nose into Bill Clinton's private life, however he made that worse by lying under oath.

That said we've had two bad Presidents in a row. Bush Jr. not a true conservative. True conservatives don't waste money (and lives) on foolish foreign wars. Obama? By far the worst this country has ever had, and his incompetence will haunt us for decades.

Hillary as Pres? Please God, don't curse us even more. :-X

If that stupid bitch gets elected, I honestly don't know what I'm going to do. I've never thought about leaving the U.S. considering how hard my family tried to get here, but if this country keeps going down the drain like this, I can't imagine staying here for retirement.

I'm simply left shaking my head how someone like Obama can get elected 2X and how Hillary can even be a consideration for president. Are you phucking kidding me?!!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on July 12, 2015, 01:24:36 AM

Captain consider this. First, now he is running on one issue. As soon as this expands I am sure he will put foot in mouth and piss of the rest of the country. Secondly, if he some how get elected I would not worry about it neither. He will surely never get anything passed through congress. Then he will get nothing done and that will be an improvement over the present.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on July 12, 2015, 03:35:18 AM

Quote from: cdnexpat on July 05, 2015, 01:47:02 AM

Yes, elect the clown, and watch the remaining US respect go down the drain...

I saw yesterday Bill Maher's show on HBO... You should see him impersonating Donald Trump! :ROFL: Btw, he (Bill) calls him white Kanye West ;D

Also, he takes such a pi** on certain part of the electoral body, it's hilarious! Like, (while pulling Trump face), a gvmnt should:

1. bomb arabs
2. find ever new places to allow guns
3. name buildings after Ronald Reagan

What's not to like? How could they possibly NOT win the elections?! :biggrin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 12, 2015, 07:06:05 AM

Quote from: GuppyCaptain on July 11, 2015, 09:13:35 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 05, 2015, 01:55:38 AM
Quote from: Fussy on July 04, 2015, 03:40:06 AM
God help the USA (and the rest of us) if Hilary gets her finger on the nuke button*. She may just decide to "prove herself", after decades of living on the public purse.

*Figure of speech, but metaphorically or literally, it's scary either way.

You'll have had 3-4 consecutive terms of presidents elected on sympathy/political correctness, rather than competence/suitability.

Reagan, Bush Sr., Bill Clinton were all IMO very good Presidents, the first two better than Bill. Unlike most Republicans I did not care to stick my nose into Bill Clinton's private life, however he made that worse by lying under oath.

That said we've had two bad Presidents in a row. Bush Jr. not a true conservative. True conservatives don't waste money (and lives) on foolish foreign wars. Obama? By far the worst this country has ever had, and his incompetence will haunt us for decades.

Hillary as Pres? Please God, don't curse us even more. :-X

If that stupid bitch gets elected, I honestly don't know what I'm going to do. I've never thought about leaving the U.S. considering how hard my family tried to get here, but if this country keeps going down the drain like this, I can't imagine staying here for retirement.

I'm simply left shaking my head how someone like Obama can get elected 2X and how Hillary can even be a consideration for president. Are you phucking kidding me?!!!

:thumbsup: I feel sorry for those who can't retire and get out now. The very rich in the US have established residences outside of the US. There're set. To expatriot us little people have to make a go of it with the assets we have left after taxes and whatever we will get from Social Security. I figured America was finished several years ago.

About staying here after retirement. I have been observing people that are my peers and how they are doing with that. It is not a pretty site. Government is in and out of their lives constantly. If not the government directly it is institutions such as banks, schools and particulary healthcare that are complicating their lives with government mandated documentation and requests.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on July 12, 2015, 07:28:49 AM

Quote from: Maxx on July 12, 2015, 07:06:05 AM

About staying here after retirement. I have been observing people that are my peers and how they are doing with that. It is not a pretty site. Government is in and out of their lives constantly. If not the government directly it is institutions such as banks, schools and particulary healthcare that are complicating their lives with government mandated documentation and requests.

Move to Eastern Europe (after retirement) - preferably to newer EU members; lets' pray we all remain in considerably good health (as our health care can't compare to yours), given that condition, i believe it's way better to spend late(r) years over here than there.
There is one thing that i don't get about USA way of life - the homes away from home for elderly... We have only two of those in the country, it's for people who are really ill (bedridden for years), other than that - you live with your family and they take care of you. That prospect seems much more promising to me, again, given the reasonably good health.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 12, 2015, 08:36:02 AM

Quote from: Volshe on July 12, 2015, 07:28:49 AM

Quote from: Maxx on July 12, 2015, 07:06:05 AM

About staying here after retirement. I have been observing people that are my peers and how they are doing with that. It is not a pretty site. Government is in and out of their lives constantly. If not the government directly it is institutions such as banks, schools and particulary healthcare that are complicating their lives with government mandated documentation and requests.

There is one thing that i don't get about USA way of life - the homes away from home for elderly... We have only two of those in the country, it's for people who are really ill (bedridden for years), other than that - you live with your family and they take care of you. That prospect seems much more promising to me, again, given the reasonably good health.

They are called nursing homes here. 4 years ago when my mother had a stroke she stayed in one for a few weeks. Inspite of the efforts to make them cheerful looking they are very depressing places. It is sad to see all these white haired old people all shriveled up alone and waiting to die. I could see that being me in 20 years or so. Another reason to move abroad and establish a life there and a new family.

3 years ago my mother was told she had six months to a year to live. She lives in a rather nice and roomy 2 bedroom single level townhouse. The family including myself takes turns caring for her. She does not want to wind up in a nursing home. She has instuctions on the refrigerator door to the emergency people to not revive her if her heart finally goes. It is signed by her doctor. Also in the refrigeratior in the freezer section is her papers for her paid for cremation. Her ashes are to be interned at the Fort Snelling cemetary next to my father.

Old age and death is something most people do not want to think about.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 12, 2015, 09:45:06 AM

Quote from: GuppyCaptain on July 12, 2015, 09:29:05 AM

Best wishes to you in your move Maxx. My apologies for flying off the handle and using un-gentlemanly language as there are ladies that read this too. It's not like me but I am so utterly infuriated with the way this country is going down the toilet.

Totally understandable. It breaks my heart too to see where this country is going.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 12, 2015, 09:11:25 PM

FULL speech by Donald Trump at Arizona Rally. Don't listen to just sound bites. Read or listen to the full speech to understand where he's coming from.

http://therightscoop.com/full-speech-from-donald-trump-at-huge-phoenix-arizona-rally/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cdnexpat on July 12, 2015, 10:22:19 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 12, 2015, 09:11:25 PM

FULL speech by Donald Trump at Arizona Rally. Don't listen to just sound bites. Read or listen to the full speech to understand where he's coming from.

http://therightscoop.com/full-speech-from-donald-trump-at-huge-phoenix-arizona-rally/

At least he said that he could work with Putin...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 13, 2015, 04:43:58 AM

Quote from: cdnexpat on July 12, 2015, 10:22:19 PM

At least he said that he could work with Putin...

So did Obama's administration ..remember the 'reset' button ... I often read the Russian's only respect strong leaders..

I hope the USA votes in a leader that is strong, but understands RU's perspective regarding their thinking NATO is 'surrounding' them and who is actually expanding ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 13, 2015, 06:54:52 AM

I just read an article that they are selling "Donald Trump pinatas" in Mexico City.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 13, 2015, 07:34:14 PM

Quote from: cdnexpat on July 12, 2015, 10:22:19 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 12, 2015, 09:11:25 PM
FULL speech by Donald Trump at Arizona Rally. Don't listen to just sound bites. Read or listen to the full speech to understand where he's coming from.

http://therightscoop.com/full-speech-from-donald-trump-at-huge-phoenix-arizona-rally/

At least he said that he could work with Putin...

Read between the lines. He would work with Putin, however if Trump ended up making any sort of ultimatum, you could be 100% sure that he meant it. Unlike the "red line" in the sand made by Obama during the Syria crisis.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 13, 2015, 11:25:44 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 13, 2015, 07:34:14 PM

Quote from: cdnexpat on July 12, 2015, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: Anteros on July 12, 2015, 09:11:25 PM
FULL speech by Donald Trump at Arizona Rally. Don't listen to just sound bites. Read or listen to the full speech to understand where he's coming from.

http://therightscoop.com/full-speech-from-donald-trump-at-huge-phoenix-arizona-rally/

At least he said that he could work with Putin...

Read between the lines. He would work with Putin, however if Trump ended up making any sort of ultimatum, you could be 100% sure that he meant it. Unlike the "red line" in the sand made by Obama during the Syria crisis.

He is a businessman. He wouldn't be making red lines in the sand like Obama. He would do what businesspeople do. Already touched on in the media (http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/us-presidential-hopeful-trump-says-he-and-putin-would-be-pals-combined-reports/525453.html).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 14, 2015, 01:17:45 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 13, 2015, 11:25:44 PM

He is a businessman. He wouldn't be making red lines in the sand like Obama. He would do what businesspeople do.

Like have their son involved in gas projects in the Ukraine .... you don't like THAT .... [ Clue, Biden] .. Sometimes our words come back to haunt us, eh .. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on July 14, 2015, 02:26:29 AM

Quote from: msmoby on July 13, 2015, 04:43:58 AM

I often read the Russian's only respect strong leaders.

And who is it that respect weak leaders? (Rhetorical question...) :knit:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 14, 2015, 04:16:36 AM

'
My mistake..
Strong' as in combatative.. Not always good for neighbouring natons ...

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Turboguy on July 14, 2015, 11:46:01 AM

Quote from: Maxx on July 12, 2015, 08:36:02 AM

Old age and death is something most people do not want to think about.

I have a feeling whoever created the term "Golden Years" was young. No one of that age thinks of it as golden, not even silver.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Boris on July 14, 2015, 12:08:52 PM

Quote from: Turboguy on July 14, 2015, 11:46:01 AM

Quote from: Maxx on July 12, 2015, 08:36:02 AM

Old age and death is something most people do not want to think about.

I have a feeling whoever created the term "Golden Years" was young. No one of that age thinks of it as golden, not even silver.

Golden Shower maybe. Sorry but I'm 51 and I'm starting to see that coming and it doesn't look Gold or Silver to me either. More like tin...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 14, 2015, 12:14:51 PM

Quote from: Turboguy on July 14, 2015, 11:46:01 AM

Quote from: Maxx on July 12, 2015, 08:36:02 AM

Old age and death is something most people do not want to think about.

I have a feeling whoever created the term "Golden Years" was young. No one of that age thinks of it as golden, not even silver.

"old age is one of the most unexpected of all the things that can happen to a man" ~ Leon Trotsky

Ray, it's good to see you're still alive!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 14, 2015, 12:20:31 PM

Quote from: Boris on July 14, 2015, 12:08:52 PM

Quote from: Turboguy on July 14, 2015, 11:46:01 AM
Quote from: Maxx on July 12, 2015, 08:36:02 AM

Old age and death is something most people do not want to think about.

I have a feeling whoever created the term "Golden Years" was young. No one of that age thinks of it as golden, not even silver.

Golden Shower maybe. Sorry but I'm 51 and I'm starting to see that coming and it doesn't look Gold or Silver to me either. More like tin...

Wait till the doctor tells you that sharp pain in your shoulder is coming from a collapsed disc in your lower neck! And that brown spot on your arm is not melenoma but a liver spot!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Turboguy on July 14, 2015, 12:45:23 PM

Quote from: Maxx on July 14, 2015, 12:14:51 PM

Ray, it's good to see you're still alive!

Yep, I am still kicking. Just at my age my kicks can't do much damage except to my knees.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on July 14, 2015, 01:13:17 PM

Drug dealer's son threatens Donald Trump. This is really turning into a real show. It is starting to be Trump vs drug dealers rather than Trump running for president.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-calls-in-fbi-after-death-threat-from-el-chapo%e2%80%99s-son%e2%80%99/ar-AAcVs1d?ocid=U146DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on July 14, 2015, 06:27:57 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on July 14, 2015, 01:13:17 PM

This is really turning into a real show.

Sometimes i think it's for the best our folks mostly keeps away from social networks... This does start to remind of catfights in "Housewives of ..." (:) An unverified twitter account, someone's son, and presidential candidate throwing strong words to the wind... Gheez. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 14, 2015, 06:34:33 PM

Quote from: Volshe on July 14, 2015, 06:27:57 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on July 14, 2015, 01:13:17 PM
This is really turning into a real show.

Sometimes i think it's for the best our folks mostly keeps away from social networks... This does start to remind of catfights in "Housewives of ..." (:) An unverified twitter account, someone's son, and presidential candidate throwing strong words to the wind... Gheez. :popcorn:

Smart. I made it my pledge to never send a text message or a tweet in my life. So far I've been successful. I haven't even got a cell phone. I like the freedom of not be pestered.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 16, 2015, 02:26:53 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 13, 2015, 11:25:44 PM

He is a businessman. He wouldn't be making red lines in the sand like Obama. He would do what businesspeople do.

His financial statement he sent in to the federal election commission was a cavalier joke.

Trump is self-financing his campaing, a la Ross Perot in 1992. He has loaned the campaign $1.8 million so far, and spent about $1.5 million. Trump can certainly keep his campaign going at those levels for a while. But Bush and Clinton have been building donor networks for years, and raising money outright since 2014. Other candidates, such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, have lured rich donors who have at least as much cash as Trump. And heavy hitters still sitting on the sidelines—notably, Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers, Charles and David—are many times richer than Trump and willing to spend lavishly to send a Republican to the White House (most likely somebody other than Trump).

I predict he'll be out soon after the first debate in Cleveland.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 16, 2015, 05:13:51 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 16, 2015, 02:26:53 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 13, 2015, 11:25:44 PM
He is a businessman. He wouldn't be making red lines in the sand like Obama. He would do what businesspeople do.

His financial statement he sent in to the federal election commission was a cavalier joke.

Trump is self-financing his campaing, a la Ross Perot in 1992. He has loaned the campaign $1.8 million so far, and spent about $1.5 million. Trump can certainly keep his campaign going at those levels for a while. But Bush and Clinton have been building donor networks for years, and raising money outright since 2014. Other candidates, such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, have lured rich donors who have at least as much cash as Trump. And heavy hitters still sitting on the sidelines—notably, Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers, Charles and David—are many times richer than Trump and willing to spend lavishly to send a Republican to the White House (most likely somebody other than Trump).

I predict he'll be out soon after the first debate in Cleveland.

I'll admit to not knowing the minutiae about your politics, but from over here the bloke is looking good. He is making the right noises, talking about stuff people care about and Twitter is on fire with the #Trump2016 hashtag. He is engaging with people as a politician should.

He could be your next Ronnie Raygun. People might actually start to like the US again with him at the helm if he stops the constant wars and does sensible stuff. People can identify with him and what he is saying. He is already an international figure. President doesn't seem such a huge leap from there. Its possible.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 16, 2015, 08:09:59 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 16, 2015, 05:13:51 PM

President doesn't seem such a huge leap from there. Its possible.

OK Manny, want to make a little wager :evilgrin0002:

I'll bet us $100US that he is not the Republican candidate for the 2016 election. I'll give you 30-1 odds.

You agree?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 16, 2015, 11:29:07 PM

Trump is a conservative who believes in a strong foreign policy. If you disagree with the conservative remarks here on foreign policy then you will likely hate Trump. If his past is any indication of his future run then he will probably drop out soon as if to say he is only stirring the pot but his popularity could keep him in this time. Trump could possibly try to put a stop to this Russian game in a not so soft way. If you like what he stands for then you are a conservative at heart. :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 17, 2015, 01:11:06 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 16, 2015, 08:09:59 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 16, 2015, 05:13:51 PM
President doesn't seem such a huge leap from there. Its possible.

OK Manny, want to make a little wager :evilgrin0002:

I'll bet us $100US that he is not the Republican candidate for the 2016 election. I'll give you 30-1 odds.

You agree?

People said Cameron had no chance. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 17, 2015, 07:33:06 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 16, 2015, 05:13:51 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 16, 2015, 02:26:53 PM
Quote from: Manny on July 13, 2015, 11:25:44 PM
He is a businessman. He wouldn't be making red lines in the sand like Obama. He would do what businesspeople do.

His financial statement he sent in to the federal election commission was a cavalier joke.

Trump is self-financing his campaing, a la Ross Perot in 1992. He has loaned the campaign $1.8 million so far, and spent about $1.5 million. Trump can certainly keep his campaign going at those levels for a while. But Bush and Clinton have been building donor networks for years, and raising money outright since 2014. Other candidates, such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, have lured rich donors who have at least as much cash as Trump. And heavy hitters still sitting on the sidelines—notably, Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers, Charles and David—are many times richer than Trump and willing to spend lavishly to send a Republican to the White House (most likely somebody other than Trump).

I predict he'll be out soon after the first debate in Cleveland.

I'll admit to not knowing the minutiae about your politics, but from over here the bloke is looking good. He is making the right noises, talking about stuff people care about and Twitter is on fire with the #Trump2016 hashtag. He is engaging with people as a politician should.

He could be your next Ronnie Raygun. People might actually start to like the US again with him at the helm if he stops the constant wars and does sensible stuff. People can identify with him and what he is saying. He is already an international figure. President doesn't seem such a huge leap from there. Its possible.

If he could get the USA economy going much better then most of us would overlook his gaffes about immigrants. For sure he needs to tone that way down because although what he's saying is all true we live in a very PC world and he is indeed harming the Republican label. So like Shakespear I hope he drops out. If not then PLEASE learn some diplomacy, Mr. Trump. :smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 17, 2015, 08:05:41 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 17, 2015, 01:11:06 AM

People said Cameron had no chance. :coffeeread:

Didn't quite understand your deflection :ROFL:

That a "yes" or "no" to the bet?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 17, 2015, 09:00:50 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 17, 2015, 08:05:41 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 17, 2015, 01:11:06 AM

People said Cameron had no chance. :coffeeread:

Didn't quite understand your deflection :ROFL:

That a "yes" or "no" to the bet?

I'm not confident enough to bet on him.

Would anyone here vote for him?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 17, 2015, 09:24:49 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 17, 2015, 09:00:50 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 17, 2015, 08:05:41 AM
Quote from: Manny on July 17, 2015, 01:11:06 AM

People said Cameron had no chance. :coffeeread:

Didn't quite understand your deflection :ROFL:

That a "yes" or "no" to the bet?

I'm not confident enough to bet on him.

Would anyone here vote for him?

If he were the Republican nominee. He wont' be, so it's only a theoretical question you are asking. Let's say that he is. The choice then is either Trump or Hillary Clinton. Who would you vote for? I mean come on. A successful businessman with real negotiating skills who has created thousands of jobs and knows how to cut government red tape,

or some geriatric c*** who could not even get a reset button correct, let an American diplomat perish in a brutal attack on our embassy in Libya, routinely lies about her service (when we landed in Yugoslavia, bullets were flying...), used her office to financially enrich her foundation, let Russia corner the market on Nuclear materials at US and Canadian expense (assuming that you were pro-West, which you're not but let's assume for hypothetical arguments sake), claims there is a "war on women" while taking huge donations from the Saudi's, flip-flopped on gay marriage while simultaneously taking huge donations from the Saudi's, etc. etc.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 17, 2015, 09:35:45 AM

So is the way it works is a bunch of people make a play and the party then chooses from them which one it will put forward as presidential candidate? So if the party doesn't nominate him, he cannot run?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 17, 2015, 09:42:47 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 17, 2015, 09:35:45 AM

So is the way it works is a bunch of people make a play and the party then chooses from them which one it will put forward as presidential candidate? So if the party doesn't nominate him, he cannot run?

He is running. Running is different than being the nominee.

There is a field of 16 candidates in the Republican bunch right now. Chances are like Shakespear said he's just playing games and will not stay in the race until the end. It's his choice. If he remains the top guy per the polls, the party will have to deal with him. This however is unlikely, as the party will likely put their cash and other resources behind a more electable candidate.

On the other side of the aisle is Hillary, Bernie Sanders and one other. Hillary has been so far ahead in the polls that it's considered a coronation and not a nomination.

So just 2 Parties; Republican with 16 candidates and 4 who are truly viable (IMO).

Democratic with just one viable candidate (Hillary -- it's already a done deal. The liberals don't think, they just vote in unison like the Borg from Star Trek).

The Republican debates are what will likely determine who Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers support. (Billionaires, and big time!!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family

I am thinking that the nominee is going to be Scott Walker, who Shakey mentioned.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 17, 2015, 10:06:39 AM

Quote from: Anteros on July 17, 2015, 09:24:49 AM

or some geriatric c*** who could not even get a reset button correct, let an American diplomat perish in a brutal attack on our embassy in Libya, routinely lies about her service (when we landed in Yugoslavia, bullets were flying...), used her office to financially enrich her foundation, let Russia corner the market on Nuclear materials at US and Canadian expense (assuming that you were pro-West, which you're not but let's assume for hypothetical arguments sake), claims there is a "war on women" while taking huge donations from the Saudi's, flip-flopped on gay marriage while simultaneously taking huge donations from the Saudi's, etc. etc.

You're not suggesting Hillary is a hipocrite? :o She is known for her hipo sized pantsuits.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Chris on July 17, 2015, 10:51:35 AM

Quote from: Anteros on July 17, 2015, 09:42:47 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 17, 2015, 09:35:45 AM
So is the way it works is a bunch of people make a play and the party then chooses from them which one it will put forward as presidential candidate? So if the party doesn't nominate him, he cannot run?

He is running. Running is different than being the nominee.

There is a field of 16 candidates in the Republican bunch right now. Chances are like Shakespear said he's just playing games and will not stay in the race until the end. It's his choice. If he remains the top guy per the polls, the party will have to deal with him. This however is unlikely, as the party will likely put their cash and other resources behind a more electable candidate.

On the other side of the aisle is Hillary, Bernie Sanders and one other. Hillary has been so far ahead in the polls that it's considered a coronation and not a nomination.

So just 2 Parties; Republican with 16 candidates and 4 who are truly viable (IMO).

Democratic with just one viable candidate (Hillary -- it's already a done deal. The liberals don't think, they just vote in unison like the Borg from Star Trek).

The Republican debates are what will likely determine who Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers support. (Billionaires, and big time!!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family

I am thinking that the nominee is going to be Scott Walker, who Shakey mentioned.

Why do you guys over there make it so hard to elect someone? :'( it drags on for years! 3 weeks here, all done and dusted and got the right result. :party0031:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 17, 2015, 11:20:02 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 17, 2015, 09:00:50 AM

I'm not confident enough to bet on him.

Even with 30-1 odds?

So then you were just playing troll then?

:chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 17, 2015, 12:48:27 PM

Quote from: Chris on July 17, 2015, 10:51:35 AM

Quote from: Anteros on July 17, 2015, 09:42:47 AM
Quote from: Manny on July 17, 2015, 09:35:45 AM
So is the way it works is a bunch of people make a play and the party then chooses from them which one it will put forward as presidential candidate? So if the party doesn't nominate him, he cannot run?

He is running. Running is different than being the nominee.

There is a field of 16 candidates in the Republican bunch right now. Chances are like Shakespear said he's just playing games and will not stay in the race until the end. It's his choice. If he remains the top guy per the polls, the party will have to deal with him. This however is unlikely, as the party will likely put their cash and other resources behind a more electable candidate.

On the other side of the aisle is Hillary, Bernie Sanders and one other. Hillary has been so far ahead in the polls that it's considered a coronation and not a nomination.

So just 2 Parties; Republican with 16 candidates and 4 who are truly viable (IMO).

Democratic with just one viable candidate (Hillary -- it's already a done deal. The liberals don't think, they just vote in unison like the Borg from Star Trek).

The Republican debates are what will likely determine who Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers support. (Billionaires, and big time!!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family

I am thinking that the nominee is going to be Scott Walker, who Shakey mentioned.

Why do you guys over there make it so hard to elect someone? :'( it drags on for years! 3 weeks here, all done and dusted and got the right result. :party0031:

Sounds to me like you guys do both football and politics better than us! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 17, 2015, 07:34:48 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 17, 2015, 09:42:47 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 17, 2015, 09:35:45 AM
So is the way it works is a bunch of people make a play and the party then chooses from them which one it will put forward as presidential candidate? So if the party doesn't nominate him, he cannot run?

He is running. Running is different than being the nominee.

There is a field of 16 candidates in the Republican bunch right now. Chances are like Shakespear said he's just playing games and will not stay in the race until the end. It's his choice. If he remains the top guy per the polls, the party will have to deal with him. This however is unlikely, as the party will likely put their cash and other resources behind a more electable candidate.

On the other side of the aisle is Hillary, Bernie Sanders and one other. Hillary has been so far ahead in the polls that it's considered a coronation and not a nomination.

So just 2 Parties; Republican with 16 candidates and 4 who are truly viable (IMO).

Democratic with just one viable candidate (Hillary -- it's already a done deal. The liberals don't think, they just vote in unison like the Borg from Star Trek).

The Republican debates are what will likely determine who Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers support. (Billionaires, and big time!!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family

I am thinking that the nominee is going to be Scott Walker, who Shakey mentioned.

Anteros, has summed up the reality well, I should say unfortunately this is the reality.

For what it is worth I have had dealings directly with Mr. Trump, his word and handshake are valueless.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 17, 2015, 08:37:31 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 17, 2015, 07:34:48 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 17, 2015, 09:42:47 AM
Quote from: Manny on July 17, 2015, 09:35:45 AM
So is the way it works is a bunch of people make a play and the party then chooses from them which one it will put forward as presidential candidate? So if the party doesn't nominate him, he cannot run?

He is running. Running is different than being the nominee.

There is a field of 16 candidates in the Republican bunch right now. Chances are like Shakespear said he's just playing games and will not stay in the race until the end. It's his choice. If he remains the top guy per the polls, the party will have to deal with him. This however is unlikely, as the party will likely put their cash and other resources behind a more electable candidate.

On the other side of the aisle is Hillary, Bernie Sanders and one other. Hillary has been so far ahead in the polls that it's considered a coronation and not a nomination.

So just 2 Parties; Republican with 16 candidates and 4 who are truly viable (IMO).

Democratic with just one viable candidate (Hillary -- it's already a done deal. The liberals don't think, they just vote in unison like the Borg from Star Trek).

The Republican debates are what will likely determine who Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers support. (Billionaires, and big time!!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family

I am thinking that the nominee is going to be Scott Walker, who Shakey mentioned.

Anteros, has summed up the reality well, I should say unfortunately this is the reality.

For what it is worth I have had dealings directly with Mr. Trump, his word and handshake are valueless.

Expand please :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 17, 2015, 11:17:13 PM

Quote from: Maxx on July 17, 2015, 08:37:31 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 17, 2015, 07:34:48 PM
Quote from: Anteros on July 17, 2015, 09:42:47 AM
Quote from: Manny on July 17, 2015, 09:35:45 AM
So is the way it works is a bunch of people make a play and the party then chooses from them which one it will put forward as presidential candidate? So if the party doesn't nominate him, he cannot run?

He is running. Running is different than being the nominee.

There is a field of 16 candidates in the Republican bunch right now. Chances are like Shakespear said he's just playing games and will not stay in the race until the end. It's his choice. If he remains the top guy per the polls, the party will have to deal with him. This however is unlikely, as the party will likely put their cash and other resources behind a more electable candidate.

On the other side of the aisle is Hillary, Bernie Sanders and one other. Hillary has been so far ahead in the polls that it's considered a coronation and not a nomination.

So just 2 Parties; Republican with 16 candidates and 4 who are truly viable (IMO).

Democratic with just one viable candidate (Hillary -- it's already a done deal. The liberals don't think, they just vote in unison like the Borg from Star Trek).

The Republican debates are what will likely determine who Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers support. (Billionaires, and big time!!)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Adelson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_family

I am thinking that the nominee is going to be Scott Walker, who Shakey mentioned.

Anteros, has summed up the reality well, I should say unfortunately this is the reality.

For what it is worth I have had dealings directly with Mr. Trump, his word and handshake are valueless.

Expand please :coffeeread:

I can't help but being a little bit nosy as well. Av were you going to sell him some artwork, he shook on it and then later backed out of the deal? :popcorn: :king:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 18, 2015, 05:22:15 AM

Quote from: Anteros on July 17, 2015, 11:17:13 PM

Quote from: Maxx on July 17, 2015, 08:37:31 PM
Quote from: AvHdB on July 17, 2015, 07:34:48 PM

Anteros, has summed up the reality well, I should say unfortunately this is the reality.

For what it is worth I have had dealings directly with Mr. Trump, his word and handshake are valueless.

Expand please :coffeeread:

I can't help but being a little bit nosy as well. Av were you going to sell him some artwork, he shook on it and then later backed out of the deal? :popcorn: :king:

No art work.

Yacht construction, we gave his advisors a Plan A & B. Recommending B. He came to the meeting agreded to A shook hands and said make it happen.

A week latter everything with out explanation was cancelled. Via a letter signed by a secretary. About a month latter he was in default on loans and technically bankrupt. We are talking a ways back in time. But tigers do not change there strips.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 10:48:35 AM

This article may help our European friends understand US politics a little bit better. Delves into how the mainstream two (Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush) have already been bought and paid for and why Americans need to wake up and elect a Ted Cruz, Rubio or Walker.

http://eaglerising.com/21081/dont-be-fooled-the-establishment-candidates-have-been-bought-and-paid-for/#C43Blwi0HCM5hUAL.99

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 10:57:23 AM

Senator Rand Paul, a Libertarian running as a Republican, would like to restrict Muslim immigration to the USA. I agree 1000%. We just had yet another terrorist attack in Tennessee and 4 Marine hero's are dead. Enough already.

http://www.teaparty.org/rand-paul-tennessee-terror-restrict-immigration-muslim-nations-108474/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rand-paul-tennessee-terror-restrict-immigration-muslim-nations

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 11:12:00 AM

Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 10:57:23 AM

Senator Rand Paul, a Libertarian running as a Republican, would like to restrict Muslim immigration to the USA. I agree 1000%. We just had yet another terrorist attack in Tennessee and 4 Marine hero's are dead. Enough already.

I think there are MANY Europeans countries right now that are re-thinking their policy about immigration from predominantly muslim countries. Sweden I know is one.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 12:14:30 PM

Manny will like this one. Donald Trump mocks John McCain's military service, saying: I like people who were not captured. Ouch! :laugh:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-mocks-mccain%e2%80%99s-military-service-%e2%80%98i-like-people-who-weren%e2%80%99t-captured%e2%80%99/ar-AAdbuE8?ocid=iehp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on July 18, 2015, 01:05:00 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 17, 2015, 07:34:48 PM

For what it is worth I have had dealings directly with Mr. Trump, his word and handshake are valueless.

"He’s either an idiot or he’s doing a very good job of pretending to be an idiot."

Mark Bittman's, chef, author, and columnist for The New York Times, answer on "What do you think of Donald Trump?"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:10:38 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 12:14:30 PM

Manny will like this one. Donald Trump mocks John McCain's military service, saying: I like people who were not captured. Ouch! :laugh:

Imagine - a guy who never served a day of his life in uniform criticizing the service of a guy who spent YEARS as a POW in North Vietnam. Also said he graduated last in his class at the US Naval Academy which was an outright lie.

These are the actions of a SERIOUS candidate? Ostracizing millions of voters who have served in the US military with distinction?

Hey Manny, the odds just went to 50-1. You want action on the $100?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:16:21 PM

Trump's current popularity at the polls is based on Americans who through him, are voicing their frustration with the political correctness in our country and the frustration concerning inaction of all branches of our federal government.

This will pass when other legitimate candidates address these issues in more detail.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on July 18, 2015, 01:16:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:10:38 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Manny will like this one. Donald Trump mocks John McCain's military service, saying: I like people who were not captured. Ouch! :laugh:

Imagine - a guy who never served a day of his life in uniform criticizing the service of a guy who spent YEARS as a POW in North Vietnam. Also said he graduated last in his class at the US Naval Academy which was an outright lie.

These are the actions of a SERIOUS candidate? Ostracizing millions of voters who have served in the US military with distinction?

Ostracizing our part of woods too, as for several reasons (related to his attitude towards us, he supported Western Balkan, but for other reasons too), we hold McCain in high regard.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:27:32 PM

Quote from: Volshe on July 18, 2015, 01:16:45 PM

Ostracizing our part of woods too, as for several reasons (related to his attitude towards us, he supported Western Balkan, but for other reasons too), we hold McCain in high regard.

Well I remember while at Officers Candidate School for the USMC during SERE training (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape)
and they illustrated some of the principles of the Code of Conduct with Donald Trump's heroic story? Hmmm, must have been asleep during that part of the lecture. :rolleye0009:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on July 18, 2015, 01:43:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:27:32 PM

Well I remember while at Officers Candidate School for the USMC during SERE training (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape)
and they illustrated some of the principles of the Code of Conduct with Donald Trump's heroic story? Hmmm, must have been asleep during that part of the lecture. :rolleye0009:

;D :thumbsup: ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 18, 2015, 01:51:49 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:16:21 PM

Trump's current popularity at the polls is based on Americans who through him, are voicing their frustration with the political correctness in our country and the frustration concerning inaction of all branches of our federal government.

This will pass when other legitimate candidates address these issues in more detail.

I concur I just hope the other Republicans would get a move on after understanding the frustration of the average Joe and Nancy.

I suspect Trump is considered faux pas in Europe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 03:28:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:10:38 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Manny will like this one. Donald Trump mocks John McCain's military service, saying: I like people who were not captured. Ouch! :laugh:

Imagine - a guy who never served a day of his life in uniform criticizing the service of a guy who spent YEARS as a POW in North Vietnam. Also said he graduated last in his class at the US Naval Academy which was an outright lie.

These are the actions of a SERIOUS candidate? Ostracizing millions of voters who have served in the US military with distinction?

Hey Manny, the odds just went to 50-1. You want action on the $100?

I would not take those odds now if you gave me 500 to 1. Trump just lost combat veterans with that idiotic remark. Rick Perry's response is spot on.

My top 5 favorites right now are Rick Perry, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Scott Walker and finally a real longshot which is Rand Paul.

Who are your favorite candidates, Shakespear? I would be interested to know who you like.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 03:34:21 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:16:21 PM

Trump's current popularity at the polls is based on Americans who through him, are voicing their frustration with the political correctness in our country and the frustration concerning inaction of all branches of our federal government.

This will pass when other legitimate candidates address these issues in more detail.

Agree 100%. I will admit to being happy that somebody was bold enough to tell the truth about illegal immigration (versus LEGAL immigration which we all support) however what he said about John McCain was over the top and flat out stupid.

I predict he will be out of the race within 60 days, at least I hope so. We need the real candidates to address issues in detail, ASAP so the party can move on.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 18, 2015, 03:35:06 PM

Trump's got to be working for the Democrats. He is not a stupid man who would say such things.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 18, 2015, 03:37:45 PM

Hey Anteros, did you see the top headlines at www.drudgereport.com? Obama is up to more mischief. This could be the big one that REALLY puts America down. I'll so be glad to be out of the country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 18, 2015, 04:38:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:10:38 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Manny will like this one. Donald Trump mocks John McCain's military service, saying: I like people who were not captured. Ouch! :laugh:

Imagine - a guy who never served a day of his life in uniform criticizing the service of a guy who spent YEARS as a POW in North Vietnam. Also said he graduated last in his class at the US Naval Academy which was an outright lie.

These are the actions of a SERIOUS candidate? Ostracizing millions of voters who have served in the US military with distinction?

Hey Manny, the odds just went to 50-1. You want action on the $100?

I just watched the vid on the Washington Post here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/07/18/trump-slams-mccain-for-being-captured-in-vietnam/). I cant disagree with anything the bloke said.

I don't know what John McCain did or didn't do in Vietnam decades ago, and I don't really care, as it has no bearing on today. I know today that McCain is a total warmongering ass clown who should be retired.

Trump is saying some of the stuff that your politicians should have said years ago. He is your Farage. Its a shame the machine will never let him get in office. Because that is the kind of president you folks actually need. One who cant be bribed. One who understands that the country is in debt and sees what is needed to begin to fix that, one who sees that illegals are ruining the country and actually says it. One who doesn't want constant war across the world, who wants trade and co-operation instead.

What are you all afraid of? That Trump will help pull your country out of debt, reduce illegals, increase trade, stop all the wars and make the country great, respected and proud again? :rolleye0009: Using the acumen of a businessman instead of a career Bush/Clinton politician where you all get the same old shit [and families] you have had for decades?

Instead you will all vote for some crusty old Neocon whose family will get richer still, and the world will hate you even more because of another half a dozen wars. And a few family members of the same old political families will end up controlling the utility companies and national assets of the countries you organise regime change in (as we see in Ukraine now).

Better to have a think, regroup, and actually produce something instead of raping the world. And to do that you need change. That means no Bush/Clinton/Crusty Neocon 'new boss same as the old boss' bollox. It means voting for a bloke who says stuff you can relate to and has the balls to change something. America is in the shit. You have nothing to lose voting for Trump. If he can do for America what he has done for himself, he can begin the process of reversal of fortune. If it is still possible. He could be your Thatcher.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on July 18, 2015, 05:31:27 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 10:57:23 AM

Senator Rand Paul, a Libertarian running as a Republican, would like to restrict Muslim immigration to the USA. I agree 1000%. We just had yet another terrorist attack in Tennessee and 4 Marine hero's are dead. Enough already.

I agree that four Marines are dead and I am angry about this. Please explaine why they are hero's? We seem to call everyone a hero these days.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 18, 2015, 06:53:02 PM

Quote from: yankee on July 18, 2015, 05:31:27 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 10:57:23 AM

Senator Rand Paul, a Libertarian running as a Republican, would like to restrict Muslim immigration to the USA. I agree 1000%. We just had yet another terrorist attack in Tennessee and 4 Marine hero's are dead. Enough already.

I agree that four Marines are dead and I am angry about this. Please explaine why they are hero's? We seem to call everyone a hero these days.

The PC thing to say is to call every military man or woman or policeman or fireman a hero. Donald was technically correct but not politically correct and the later trumps the former.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 18, 2015, 06:55:47 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 18, 2015, 04:38:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:10:38 PM
Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Manny will like this one. Donald Trump mocks John McCain's military service, saying: I like people who were not captured. Ouch! :laugh:

Imagine - a guy who never served a day of his life in uniform criticizing the service of a guy who spent YEARS as a POW in North Vietnam. Also said he graduated last in his class at the US Naval Academy which was an outright lie.

These are the actions of a SERIOUS candidate? Ostracizing millions of voters who have served in the US military with distinction?

Hey Manny, the odds just went to 50-1. You want action on the $100?

I just watched the vid on the Washington Post here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/07/18/trump-slams-mccain-for-being-captured-in-vietnam/). I cant disagree with anything the bloke said.

I don't know what John McCain did or didn't do in Vietnam decades ago, and I don't really care, as it has no bearing on today. I know today that McCain is a total warmongering ass clown who should be retired.

Trump is saying some of the stuff that your politicians should have said years ago. He is your Farage. Its a shame the machine will never let him get in office. Because that is the kind of president you folks actually need. One who cant be bribed. One who understands that the country is in debt and sees what is needed to begin to fix that, one who sees that illegals are ruining the country and actually says it. One who doesn't want constant war across the world, who wants trade and co-operation instead.

What are you all afraid of? That Trump will help pull your country out of debt, reduce illegals, increase trade, stop all the wars and make the country great, respected and proud again? :rolleye0009: Using the acumen of a businessman instead of a career Bush/Clinton politician where you all get the same old shit [and families] you have had for decades?

Instead you will all vote for some crusty old Neocon whose family will get richer still, and the world will hate you even more because of another half a dozen wars. And a few family members of the same old political families will end up controlling the utility companies and national assets of the countries you organise regime change in (as we see in Ukraine now).

Better to have a think, regroup, and actually produce something instead of raping the world. And to do that you need change. That means no Bush/Clinton/Crusty Neocon 'new boss same as the old boss' bollox. It means voting for a bloke who says stuff you can relate to and has the balls to change something. America is in the shit. You have nothing to lose voting for Trump. If he can do for America what he has done for himself, he can begin the process of reversal of fortune. If it is still possible. He could be your Thatcher.

I agree with you unfortunately America will elect another hack.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on July 18, 2015, 06:56:36 PM

Quote from: Maxx on July 18, 2015, 06:53:02 PM

Quote from: yankee on July 18, 2015, 05:31:27 PM
Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 10:57:23 AM

Senator Rand Paul, a Libertarian running as a Republican, would like to restrict Muslim immigration to the USA. I agree 1000%. We just had yet another terrorist attack in Tennessee and 4 Marine hero's are dead. Enough already.

I agree that four Marines are dead and I am angry about this. Please explaine why they are hero's? We seem to call everyone a hero these days.

The PC thing to say is to call every military man or woman or policeman or fireman a hero. Donald was technically correct but not politically correct and the later trumps the former.

By calling everyone a hero deminishes the meaning to thoes that are real heros. This is not a question of being PC.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 18, 2015, 07:53:19 PM

Quote from: yankee on July 18, 2015, 06:56:36 PM

Quote from: Maxx on July 18, 2015, 06:53:02 PM
Quote from: yankee on July 18, 2015, 05:31:27 PM
Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 10:57:23 AM

Senator Rand Paul, a Libertarian running as a Republican, would like to restrict Muslim immigration to the USA. I agree 1000%. We just had yet another terrorist attack in Tennessee and 4 Marine hero's are dead. Enough already.

I agree that four Marines are dead and I am angry about this. Please explaine why they are hero's? We seem to call everyone a hero these days.

The PC thing to say is to call every military man or woman or policeman or fireman a hero. Donald was technically correct but not politically correct and the later trumps the former.

By calling everyone a hero deminishes the meaning to thoes that are real heros. This is not a question of being PC.

I agree with you. PCness dilutes values. Trump once again by not choosing his words wisely and not qualify what he says allows others to distort his meaning and intention.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 18, 2015, 07:54:06 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 18, 2015, 04:38:16 PM

I just watched the vid on the Washington Post here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/07/18/trump-slams-mccain-for-being-captured-in-vietnam/). I cant disagree with anything the bloke said.

I don't know what John McCain did or didn't do in Vietnam decades ago, and I don't really care, as it has no bearing on today. I know today that McCain is a total warmongering ass clown who should be retired.

Trump is saying some of the stuff that your politicians should have said years ago. He is your Farage. Its a shame the machine will never let him get in office. Because that is the kind of president you folks actually need. One who cant be bribed. One who understands that the country is in debt and sees what is needed to begin to fix that, one who sees that illegals are ruining the country and actually says it. One who doesn't want constant war across the world, who wants trade and co-operation instead.

What are you all afraid of? That Trump will help pull your country out of debt, reduce illegals, increase trade, stop all the wars and make the country great, respected and proud again? :rolleye0009: Using the acumen of a businessman instead of a career Bush/Clinton politician where you all get the same old shit [and families] you have had for decades?

Instead you will all vote for some crusty old Neocon whose family will get richer still, and the world will hate you even more because of another half a dozen wars. And a few family members of the same old political families will end up controlling the utility companies and national assets of the countries you organise regime change in (as we see in Ukraine now).

Better to have a think, regroup, and actually produce something instead of raping the world. And to do that you need change. That means no Bush/Clinton/Crusty Neocon 'new boss same as the old boss' bollox. It means voting for a bloke who says stuff you can relate to and has the balls to change something. America is in the shit. You have nothing to lose voting for Trump. If he can do for America what he has done for himself, he can begin the process of reversal of fortune. If it is still possible. He could be your Thatcher.

Donald Trumps history would even embrass some of the most egregious Russian/Ukraine ogliarchs.

Any doubt read about his "ownership" of Eastern Airlines. The list is longer but this a good place to start. And some think he would make a "good' president! Not withstanding a prior marriage to woman of a Slavic background I sort of doubt he could identify the European countries or capitals with only the outlines drawn in.

To compare him M. Thatcher dishonours the leaders legacy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 18, 2015, 07:58:22 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 18, 2015, 07:54:06 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 18, 2015, 04:38:16 PM

I just watched the vid on the Washington Post here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/07/18/trump-slams-mccain-for-being-captured-in-vietnam/). I cant disagree with anything the bloke said.

I don't know what John McCain did or didn't do in Vietnam decades ago, and I don't really care, as it has no bearing on today. I know today that McCain is a total warmongering ass clown who should be retired.

Trump is saying some of the stuff that your politicians should have said years ago. He is your Farage. Its a shame the machine will never let him get in office. Because that is the kind of president you folks actually need. One who cant be bribed. One who understands that the country is in debt and sees what is needed to begin to fix that, one who sees that illegals are ruining the country and actually says it. One who doesn't want constant war across the world, who wants trade and co-operation instead.

What are you all afraid of? That Trump will help pull your country out of debt, reduce illegals, increase trade, stop all the wars and make the country great, respected and proud again? :rolleye0009: Using the acumen of a businessman instead of a career Bush/Clinton politician where you all get the same old shit [and families] you have had for decades?

Instead you will all vote for some crusty old Neocon whose family will get richer still, and the world will hate you even more because of another half a dozen wars. And a few family members of the same old political families will end up controlling the utility companies and national assets of the countries you organise regime change in (as we see in Ukraine now).

Better to have a think, regroup, and actually produce something instead of raping the world. And to do that you need change. That means no Bush/Clinton/Crusty Neocon 'new boss same as the old boss' bollox. It means voting for a bloke who says stuff you can relate to and has the balls to change something. America is in the shit. You have nothing to lose voting for Trump. If he can do for America what he has done for himself, he can begin the process of reversal of fortune. If it is still possible. He could be your Thatcher.

Donald Trumps history would even embrass some of the most egregious Russian/Ukraine ogliarchs.

Any doubt read about his "ownership" of Eastern Airlines. The list is longer but this a good place to start. And some think he would make a "good' president! Not withstanding a prior marriage to woman of a Slavic background I sort of doubt he could identify the European countries or capitals with only the outlines drawn in.

Would you say his ego blinds him and makes him stupid? Reminds me of the current occupant of the W.H.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 19, 2015, 12:26:24 AM

Quote from: Maxx on July 18, 2015, 06:55:47 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 18, 2015, 04:38:16 PM
Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:10:38 PM
Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Manny will like this one. Donald Trump mocks John McCain's military service, saying: I like people who were not captured. Ouch! :laugh:

Imagine - a guy who never served a day of his life in uniform criticizing the service of a guy who spent YEARS as a POW in North Vietnam. Also said he graduated last in his class at the US Naval Academy which was an outright lie.

These are the actions of a SERIOUS candidate? Ostracizing millions of voters who have served in the US military with distinction?

Hey Manny, the odds just went to 50-1. You want action on the $100?

I just watched the vid on the Washington Post here (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/07/18/trump-slams-mccain-for-being-captured-in-vietnam/). I cant disagree with anything the bloke said.

I don't know what John McCain did or didn't do in Vietnam decades ago, and I don't really care, as it has no bearing on today. I know today that McCain is a total warmongering ass clown who should be retired.

Trump is saying some of the stuff that your politicians should have said years ago. He is your Farage. Its a shame the machine will never let him get in office. Because that is the kind of president you folks actually need. One who cant be bribed. One who understands that the country is in debt and sees what is needed to begin to fix that, one who sees that illegals are ruining the country and actually says it. One who doesn't want constant war across the world, who wants trade and co-operation instead.

What are you all afraid of? That Trump will help pull your country out of debt, reduce illegals, increase trade, stop all the wars and make the country great, respected and proud again? :rolleye0009: Using the acumen of a businessman instead of a career Bush/Clinton politician where you all get the same old shit [and families] you have had for decades?

Instead you will all vote for some crusty old Neocon whose family will get richer still, and the world will hate you even more because of another half a dozen wars. And a few family members of the same old political families will end up controlling the utility companies and national assets of the countries you organise regime change in (as we see in Ukraine now).

Better to have a think, regroup, and actually produce something instead of raping the world. And to do that you need change. That means no Bush/Clinton/Crusty Neocon 'new boss same as the old boss' bollox. It means voting for a bloke who says stuff you can relate to and has the balls to change something. America is in the shit. You have nothing to lose voting for Trump. If he can do for America what he has done for himself, he can begin the process of reversal of fortune. If it is still possible. He could be your Thatcher.

I agree with you unfortunately America will elect another hack.

Maxx you know damn well who America elects is unfortunately not up to you and I.

There's big money being invested on both sides of the spectrum and we'll just have to wait and see how it shakes out.

Even then as you know a candidate might win the popular vote but lose the electoral vote. It's a crap shoot and of course I hope it's a pro-business guy who will also keep us out of any more foreign entanglements.

Let the European fools sort out their own affairs. I would love it if in the future the USA has some sort of electronic wall that prevents those genocidal fools from communicating with us in any way shape or form. A wall to prevent us from even knowing they exist. And soon enough they would not. The USA is a very peaceful place with a few idiots rioting but other than that we can take care of us without them.

Europe? British killing Germans. Russians killing Ukrainians. Balkans killing each other. Who gives a fock about these a%%*()&. Without the USA they would be living in a constant state of war and pestilence, and yet the *snip*s find a way to try to blame us over here, on their huge piles of manure over there.

Just look at the Middle East. Who focked it up in the first place? That's right, the British. Who finances most wars? I believe it's the Bank of London, owned by the Rothchilds.

Gotta love the moxy of these British war mongers and war profiteers, trying to blame the USA for their gigantic piles of manure.

I've said it before and I will say it again. Russia and Ukraine deserve each other as well. Too bad the common people will suffer from these corrupt shysters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 19, 2015, 01:08:38 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 18, 2015, 04:38:16 PM

I don't know what John McCain did or didn't do in Vietnam decades ago, and I don't really care, as it has no bearing on today. I know today that McCain is a total warmongering ass clown who should be retired.

Stuart you are my friend but that has got to be one of the most stupid things you've written in the time I've known you.

Whether you agree with him politically or not, his service to his country and the sacrifice he made deserve respect. Do you know he lost full use of both his arms due to torture while he was captured?

And he graduated 894 in a class of 899, not last or second to last as Trump lied.

Personally I don't like the job he is doing as a Senator and I certainly didn't think he was the best candidate for the Republican nomination in 2008. That said, I think the Republicans could have nominated Jesus Christ himself and not won the election due to the extremely bad public perception of George Bush.

Only a complete and total asshole would ridicule the man's military service.

Trump is attempting to walk back the comment but the damage has been done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on July 19, 2015, 01:44:10 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 18, 2015, 07:54:06 PM

Donald Trumps history would even embrass some of the most egregious Russian/Ukraine ogliarchs.

Any doubt read about his "ownership" of Eastern Airlines. The list is longer but this a good place to start. And some think he would make a "good' president! Not withstanding a prior marriage to woman of a Slavic background I sort of doubt he could identify the European countries or capitals with only the outlines drawn in.

I agree. Look, whatever fundies write here, everyone on boards hopes (and more than that, some work on it ;)) for the best outcome of the elections, because it's important not only for Americans, but for everyone else on the planet as well.
Trump in potential has an appeal which some of us with ties to Eastern Europe might find attractive - he could come across as strong and decisive leader, and that's where i think Manny is coming from. Nobody knows who's right and everyone is entitled to their opinion; to me personally he comes across as demagogue and populist without basic knowledge of geopolitics or whatsoever. But then neither Manny nor myself will vote on those elections, so except in our opinionated circle of RUA online friends it doesn't really matter ;)

As a side note: in case Americans go nuts (which i highly doubt ;D ) and elect him, i believe Zhirinovsky should be appointed Ru defense secretary; then we can all go hang ourselves without waiting for the actual (physical) end of the world ;D

*if seriously, none of the two has the weight it takes, it would be hilarious to observe, but it won't happen

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 19, 2015, 02:17:11 AM

Zhirinovsky is by FAR the more 'scary option' of the two ... Haven't seen Trump lose his rag and thump someone, throw water over them or want to charge a Dowry tax - because too many Russian Women were leaving the promised land :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cdnexpat on July 19, 2015, 04:04:50 AM

One thing for Donald. He has made the two year circus a lot more fun to watch! :party0011:I am enjoying it. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on July 19, 2015, 04:23:58 AM

Quote from: msmoby on July 19, 2015, 02:17:11 AM

Zhirinovsky is by FAR the more 'scary option' of the two ... Haven't seen Trump lose his rag and thump someone, throw water over them or want to charge a Dowry tax - because too many Russian Women were leaving the promised land :chuckle:

Well, as Avvy mentioned, both his (Trump's) wives were/are from Eastern Europe, so you know... He'd better behave :D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 19, 2015, 07:38:08 AM

Quote from: Anteros on July 19, 2015, 12:26:24 AM

I would love it if in the future the USA has some sort of electronic wall that prevents those genocidal fools from communicating with us in any way shape or form. A wall to prevent us from even knowing they exist.

I can arrange that for you and this European site. Just say the word.

Quote from: Anteros on July 19, 2015, 12:26:24 AM

The USA is a very peaceful place with a few idiots rioting

Quote of the week alert!

Quote from: Anteros on July 19, 2015, 12:26:24 AM

I believe it's the Bank of London, owned by the Rothchilds.

There is no such institution.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 19, 2015, 07:49:31 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 19, 2015, 07:38:08 AM

Quote from: Anteros on July 19, 2015, 12:26:24 AM
I would love it if in the future the USA has some sort of electronic wall that prevents those genocidal fools from communicating with us in any way shape or form. A wall to prevent us from even knowing they exist.

I can arrange that for you and this European site. Just say the word.

Quote from: Anteros on July 19, 2015, 12:26:24 AM
The USA is a very peaceful place with a few idiots rioting

Quote of the week alert!

Quote from: Anteros on July 19, 2015, 12:26:24 AM
I believe it's the Bank of London, owned by the Rothchilds.

There is no such institution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_banking_family_of_England

The rumor is that they finance all of these wars and also that Bush Jr. was deliberately mislead by Blair, in other words it was England who initiated that whole mess in Iraq. Not too mention you guys messed it up a bit early in the 20th Century.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 19, 2015, 08:41:48 AM

Take off the tinfoil hat.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cdnexpat on July 19, 2015, 10:05:14 AM

As far as I can tell, wars are financed by whom buys US government bonds. And that is many banks, and foreign governments, through their sovereign funds. That last trillion spent in Afghanistan, is probably the equivalent of what China accumulated during the past 10 years.
I think you should instead Google who hold US government debts.
And Rothschild is a very good French wine. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 19, 2015, 10:33:49 AM

Quote from: cdnexpat on July 19, 2015, 10:05:14 AM

As far as I can tell, wars are financed by whom buys US government bonds.

Our 34th president got a little more in depth on the subject back on January 21st, 1961.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 19, 2015, 11:35:44 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 19, 2015, 08:41:48 AM

Take off the tinfoil hat.

This, coming from you? OMG!

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cdnexpat on July 19, 2015, 11:55:53 AM

Quote from: Anteros on July 19, 2015, 11:35:44 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 19, 2015, 08:41:48 AM
Take off the tinfoil hat.

This, coming from you? OMG!

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Anteros,

I agree with you on some posts, but not all. We both got shafted by England in the past. Agreed. But I do not think that Bush listened to Blair for advice. Blair dug his own sh*t hole.
Bush, just like BHO, got spoon fed wrong information on Iraq, and was even told how to react to it. The rest is history.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 19, 2015, 02:08:11 PM

Quote from: cdnexpat on July 19, 2015, 11:55:53 AM

Quote from: Anteros on July 19, 2015, 11:35:44 AM
Quote from: Manny on July 19, 2015, 08:41:48 AM
Take off the tinfoil hat.

This, coming from you? OMG!

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Anteros,

I agree with you on some posts, but not all. We both got shafted by England in the past. Agreed. But I do not think that Bush listened to Blair for advice. Blair dug his own sh*t hole.
Bush, just like BHO, got spoon fed wrong information on Iraq, and was even told how to react to it. The rest is history.

If you are really interested I think you should do some more digging on Blair and his relationship to the Middle East and British defense firms which profited from the whole mess.

I grow weary and tired of all the mud-slinging at the USA when many countries in Europe do not have clean hands.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on July 20, 2015, 10:44:46 PM

Donald did just what I thought he would. Blow big lead by running his mouth when he should not of. Do not believe head lines but read last paragraph. He was at 28 per cent way ahead of everyone then went down to single digits after one short interview.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-donald-trump-takes-double-digit-lead-over-the-gop-presidential-field/ar-AAdg2Tn?ocid=U146DHP

“He was a war hero because he was captured,” Trump told host Frank Luntz during the 2015 Family Leadership Summit in Ames, Iowa. “I like people who weren’t captured.”

According to ABC News, support for Trump during the first three nights of polling held steady at 28 percent, but dropped into single-digit territory on Sunday following his comments about McCain, who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on July 20, 2015, 11:07:57 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 19, 2015, 02:08:11 PM

Quote from: cdnexpat on July 19, 2015, 11:55:53 AM
Quote from: Anteros on July 19, 2015, 11:35:44 AM
Quote from: Manny on July 19, 2015, 08:41:48 AM
Take off the tinfoil hat.

This, coming from you? OMG!

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Anteros,

I agree with you on some posts, but not all. We both got shafted by England in the past. Agreed. But I do not think that Bush listened to Blair for advice. Blair dug his own sh*t hole.
Bush, just like BHO, got spoon fed wrong information on Iraq, and was even told how to react to it. The rest is history.

If you are really interested I think you should do some more digging on Blair and his relationship to the Middle East and British defense firms which profited from the whole mess.

I grow weary and tired of all the mud-slinging at the USA when many countries in Europe do not have clean hands.

What clean hands are you talking about Anteros? Didn't you just on another thread make jokes about the human beings who are being murdered, raped, drowning, getting eaten by sharks, etc. trying to get to Europe from hell in North Africa? You are a sick *snip* if you stand by those posts and you shouldn't be lecturing anyone. Your comments are disgusting!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 23, 2015, 09:15:30 AM

This is going to give the mainstream "rino's" and Shakespear conniption fits. :laugh:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-trump-threatens-third-party-run/ar-AAdnC0L?ocid=iehp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 23, 2015, 11:20:53 AM

Quote from: Anteros on July 23, 2015, 09:15:30 AM

This is going to give the mainstream "rino's" and Shakespear conniption fits. :laugh:

We should have learned our lesson when Ross Perot ran as a third party candidate and Bill Clinton won with 42% of the national vote.

If a voter is so stupid that he doesn't realize a vote for ANY third party candidate is EXACTLY the same as a vote for Hillary Clinton, then our country deserves the result they get.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 23, 2015, 12:06:04 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 23, 2015, 11:20:53 AM

Quote from: Anteros on July 23, 2015, 09:15:30 AM
This is going to give the mainstream "rino's" and Shakespear conniption fits. :laugh:

We should have learned our lesson when Ross Perot ran as a third party candidate and Bill Clinton won with 42% of the national vote.

If a voter is so stupid that he doesn't realize a vote for ANY third party candidate is EXACTLY the same as a vote for Hillary Clinton, then our country deserves the result they get.

It's early, don't get your panties twisted up. Trump knows what Ross Perot did to the party and unless he really is working for the Clinton's he won't do the same thing, he's just bluffing to keep himself in the spotlight. He's an attention whore.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 23, 2015, 07:12:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:10:38 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Manny will like this one. Donald Trump mocks John McCain's military service, saying: I like people who were not captured. Ouch! :laugh:

Imagine - a guy who never served a day of his life in uniform criticizing the service of a guy who spent YEARS as a POW in North Vietnam. Also said he graduated last in his class at the US Naval Academy which was an outright lie.

These are the actions of a SERIOUS candidate? Ostracizing millions of voters who have served in the US military with distinction?

Hey Manny, the odds just went to 50-1. You want action on the $100?

I've changed my mind. If you will give me 50 to 1 odds on just a $10.00 bet, I would gladly take those odds. It might be the easiest 10 dollars you ever earned. I am going to bet you that Trump will win the Republican nomination, and you are going to give me 50 to 1 odds that he will not. So if you lose you will owe me $500.00. What do you say? Obviously it's not the bet you want from Manny, however I don't think he's willing to make any bet at all with you. I am.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 23, 2015, 07:30:06 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 23, 2015, 07:12:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:10:38 PM
Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Manny will like this one. Donald Trump mocks John McCain's military service, saying: I like people who were not captured. Ouch! :laugh:

Imagine - a guy who never served a day of his life in uniform criticizing the service of a guy who spent YEARS as a POW in North Vietnam. Also said he graduated last in his class at the US Naval Academy which was an outright lie.

These are the actions of a SERIOUS candidate? Ostracizing millions of voters who have served in the US military with distinction?

Hey Manny, the odds just went to 50-1. You want action on the $100?

I've changed my mind. If you will give me 50 to 1 odds on just a $10.00 bet, I would gladly take those odds. It might be the easiest 10 dollars you ever earned. I am going to bet you that Trump will win the Republican nomination, and you are going to give me 50 to 1 odds that he will not. So if you lose you will owe me $500.00. What do you say? Obviously it's not the bet you want from Manny, however I don't think he's willing to make any bet at all with you. I am.

As screwed up as things are in the United states Trump is a perfect fit.
God bless America.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 23, 2015, 07:51:37 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 23, 2015, 07:30:06 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 23, 2015, 07:12:28 PM
Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:10:38 PM
Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Manny will like this one. Donald Trump mocks John McCain's military service, saying: I like people who were not captured. Ouch! :laugh:

Imagine - a guy who never served a day of his life in uniform criticizing the service of a guy who spent YEARS as a POW in North Vietnam. Also said he graduated last in his class at the US Naval Academy which was an outright lie.

These are the actions of a SERIOUS candidate? Ostracizing millions of voters who have served in the US military with distinction?

Hey Manny, the odds just went to 50-1. You want action on the $100?

I've changed my mind. If you will give me 50 to 1 odds on just a $10.00 bet, I would gladly take those odds. It might be the easiest 10 dollars you ever earned. I am going to bet you that Trump will win the Republican nomination, and you are going to give me 50 to 1 odds that he will not. So if you lose you will owe me $500.00. What do you say? Obviously it's not the bet you want from Manny, however I don't think he's willing to make any bet at all with you. I am.

As screwed up as things are in the United states Trump is a perfect fit.
God bless America.

Did you see the response he gave to the Telemundo shill in Loredo? He ate the guy alive. He's not backing down. This guy is seriously intent on doing some serious a$$ focking to the PC crowd who have run this country into the ground with their Polyannish version of the World.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 23, 2015, 08:01:43 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 23, 2015, 07:51:37 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 23, 2015, 07:30:06 PM
Quote from: Anteros on July 23, 2015, 07:12:28 PM
Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:10:38 PM
Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Manny will like this one. Donald Trump mocks John McCain's military service, saying: I like people who were not captured. Ouch! :laugh:

Imagine - a guy who never served a day of his life in uniform criticizing the service of a guy who spent YEARS as a POW in North Vietnam. Also said he graduated last in his class at the US Naval Academy which was an outright lie.

These are the actions of a SERIOUS candidate? Ostracizing millions of voters who have served in the US military with distinction?

Hey Manny, the odds just went to 50-1. You want action on the $100?

I've changed my mind. If you will give me 50 to 1 odds on just a $10.00 bet, I would gladly take those odds. It might be the easiest 10 dollars you ever earned. I am going to bet you that Trump will win the Republican nomination, and you are going to give me 50 to 1 odds that he will not. So if you lose you will owe me $500.00. What do you say? Obviously it's not the bet you want from Manny, however I don't think he's willing to make any bet at all with you. I am.

As screwed up as things are in the United states Trump is a perfect fit.
God bless America.

Did you see his response he gave to the Telemundo shill in Loredo? He ate the guy alive. He's not backing down. This guy is seriously intent on doing some serious a$$ focking to the PC coc&*(&^%$# who have run this country into the ground with their Polyanna version of the World.

Originally I thought Trump was not serious, but I'm beginning to really like his straightforward no BS, style.
He might just pull this off, as long as he does not insult too many of his constituents. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 23, 2015, 10:30:02 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 23, 2015, 07:12:28 PM

I've changed my mind. If you will give me 50 to 1 odds on just a $10.00 bet, I would gladly take those odds. It might be the easiest 10 dollars you ever earned. I am going to bet you that Trump will win the Republican nomination, and you are going to give me 50 to 1 odds that he will not. So if you lose you will owe me $500.00. What do you say? Obviously it's not the bet you want from Manny, however I don't think he's willing to make any bet at all with you. I am.

Make it $20 and you have a bet.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 24, 2015, 06:56:33 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 23, 2015, 10:30:02 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 23, 2015, 07:12:28 PM
I've changed my mind. If you will give me 50 to 1 odds on just a $10.00 bet, I would gladly take those odds. It might be the easiest 10 dollars you ever earned. I am going to bet you that Trump will win the Republican nomination, and you are going to give me 50 to 1 odds that he will not. So if you lose you will owe me $500.00. What do you say? Obviously it's not the bet you want from Manny, however I don't think he's willing to make any bet at all with you. I am.

Make it $20 and you have a bet.

$10 and 30 to 1. :smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 24, 2015, 07:19:55 AM

Quote from: Anteros on July 24, 2015, 06:56:33 AM

$10 and 30 to 1. :smokin:

Done

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 24, 2015, 07:21:28 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 24, 2015, 07:19:55 AM

Quote from: Anteros on July 24, 2015, 06:56:33 AM

$10 and 30 to 1. :smokin:

Done

Good! :BEER:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 24, 2015, 07:23:39 AM

When was the last time an internet bet ended well?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 24, 2015, 09:40:39 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 24, 2015, 07:23:39 AM

When was the last time an internet bet ended well?

I've never lost one and I've never had a loser pay me.

But you do have the right to label the loser a welcher if he doesn't pay which adds to the destruction of any remaining "list cred" he possesses.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 24, 2015, 09:53:46 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 24, 2015, 09:40:39 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 24, 2015, 07:23:39 AM
When was the last time an internet bet ended well?

I've never lost one and I've never had a loser pay me.

But you do have the right to label the loser a welcher if he doesn't pay which adds to the destruction of any remaining "list cred" he possesses.

You will be paid right away should I lose via your paypal account if that is acceptable to you. I will include a bit more to cover for the 2.5% paypal fee. Hopefully this is an acceptable form of payment for you.

And on the rare chance that I win I would expect the same.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 24, 2015, 11:19:15 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 24, 2015, 07:23:39 AM

When was the last time an internet bet ended well?

I can't remember exact details but didn't somebody on the forum lose a big bet to Manny and then not pay?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 24, 2015, 03:13:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 24, 2015, 11:19:15 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 24, 2015, 07:23:39 AM
When was the last time an internet bet ended well?

I can't remember exact details but didn't somebody on the forum lose a big bet to Manny and then not pay?

Jack Bragg. $50,000.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 24, 2015, 03:33:02 PM

You ain't NEVAH gonna see that. ;)

The Ant should maybe consider his mortality before getting into a losing bet. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 24, 2015, 05:03:52 PM

Dunno if it is a losing bet.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-trump-surges-to-big-lead-in-gop-presidential-race/2015/07/20/efd2e0d0-2ef8-11e5-8f36-18d1d501920d_story.html

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/23/politics/donald-trump-third-party/

I still think he would make a good president. Anything else seems like a vote for more of the same. :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 24, 2015, 06:32:23 PM

I think it is really funny that he is scaring the he!l out of the Republicans. He said if they don't treat him right and be fair he would consider running in a third party. The establishment is besides itself! Suddenly they can't control the game.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 24, 2015, 07:41:06 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 24, 2015, 03:33:02 PM

You ain't NEVAH gonna see that. ;)

The Ant should maybe consider his mortality before getting into a losing bet. :)

You are such a worthless troll, it's no wonder half the forum left. It wasn't because of Manny.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 25, 2015, 04:31:51 AM

Quote from: Anteros on July 24, 2015, 07:41:06 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 24, 2015, 03:33:02 PM
You ain't NEVAH gonna see that. ;)

The Ant should maybe consider his mortality before getting into a losing bet. :)

You are such a worthless troll, it's no wonder half the forum left. It wasn't because of Manny.

Did something make you unhappy?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on July 25, 2015, 01:00:49 PM

Trump White House after a year. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 25, 2015, 03:00:19 PM

That is funny! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 25, 2015, 05:30:02 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 24, 2015, 03:13:20 PM

Jack Bragg. $50,000.

Did you file a claim against his estate?
;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 25, 2015, 06:04:01 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 25, 2015, 05:30:02 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 24, 2015, 03:13:20 PM
Jack Bragg. $50,000.

Did you file a claim against his estate?
;D

I contented myself with the moral high ground. I probably should have made it just $1000 and made him pay up for fun. But he is gone now, so its all water under the bridge.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 01, 2015, 02:13:12 AM

Trump on Ukraine & Crimea: https://twitter.com/CarolCNN/status/627123015986184192

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on August 01, 2015, 09:09:31 PM

Some more of Trumps platform.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-trump-platform-because-i-said-so/ar-BBljJkB?ocid=U146DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 06, 2015, 01:07:35 PM

Today's Republican debate will determine if Trump is a serious candidate for President of the USA or just an "ass-clown" as Shakey affectionately calls him. I've grown more and more confident that my bet might pay off. :chuckle:

Anyways for those with the desire, tune in to to Fox news to see it live! tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 06, 2015, 01:24:10 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 06, 2015, 01:07:35 PM

Today's Republican debate will determine if Trump is a serious candidate for President of the USA or just an "ass-clown" as Shakey affectionately calls him. I've grown more and more confident that my bet might pay off. :chuckle:

My prediction -

Since Trump has no viable solutions to issues facing our country, and will get killed in a traditional debate format, he will try to score ridicule points early. Once he does so, he will declare the whole debate process a waste of time, contend that worthless debating is what all his opponents waste time every day doing while he's busy accomplishing things. Then he'll say he has no more time to waste on this worthless debate format and walk off the stage in the middle of the program to the first shock, then thundering applause of the audience.

I'm going to see The Beach Boys and Temptations in a live concert tonight instead of waste time watching the showman manipulate the show.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cdnexpat on August 06, 2015, 01:37:31 PM

http://www.opednews.com/Quicklink/Bill-Clinton-called-Trump-in-Sci_Tech-2016-Presidential-Election_Bill-Clinton_Donald-Trump_Hillary-Clinton-150805-138.html

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 06, 2015, 07:07:44 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 06, 2015, 01:24:10 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 06, 2015, 01:07:35 PM
Today's Republican debate will determine if Trump is a serious candidate for President of the USA or just an "ass-clown" as Shakey affectionately calls him. I've grown more and more confident that my bet might pay off. :chuckle:

My prediction -

Since Trump has no viable solutions to issues facing our country, and will get killed in a traditional debate format, he will try to score ridicule points early. Once he does so, he will declare the whole debate process a waste of time, contend that worthless debating is what all his opponents waste time every day doing while he's busy accomplishing things. Then he'll say he has no more time to waste on this worthless debate format and walk off the stage in the middle of the program to the first shock, then thundering applause of the audience.

I'm going to see The Beach Boys and Temptations in a live concert tonight instead of waste time watching the showman manipulate the show.

Well my friend it's only just begun and Trump is already being somewhat contentious, however I disagree that he will walk off of the stage. He's in it to win as far as I can tell, so please save that $300.00 you're going to be owing me. :king:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 07, 2015, 09:42:35 AM

Quote from: Anteros on August 06, 2015, 07:07:44 PM

Well my friend it's only just begun and Trump is already being somewhat contentious, however I disagree that he will walk off of the stage. He's in it to win as far as I can tell, so please save that $300.00 you're going to be owing me. :king:

Counting chickens before the eggs hatch are you?

Did you actually WATCH and LISTEN to the debate?

Trump got KILLED in the last hour of the debate when questioned about actual solutions to real issues.

The fact that he was the ONLY candidate that refused to say he would support the winner of the primary battle in the national election was a more than just a minor faux pas and I guess will cost him 5% in the polls this week.

Debate winners - Huckabee (hate to say it - great closing Hillary zinger) Carson (nice closing statement)

Debate Loser - Trump

Held Their Own - No decision - All others will make some positive gains at Trump's expense

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 07, 2015, 11:57:58 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 07, 2015, 09:42:35 AM

Quote from: Anteros on August 06, 2015, 07:07:44 PM
Well my friend it's only just begun and Trump is already being somewhat contentious, however I disagree that he will walk off of the stage. He's in it to win as far as I can tell, so please save that $300.00 you're going to be owing me. :king:

Counting chickens before the eggs hatch are you?

Did you actually WATCH and LISTEN to the debate?

Trump got KILLED in the last hour of the debate when questioned about actual solutions to real issues.

The fact that he was the ONLY candidate that refused to say he would support the winner of the primary battle in the national election was a more than just a minor faux pas and I guess will cost him 5% in the polls this week.

Debate winners - Huckabee (hate to say it - great closing Hillary zinger) Carson (nice closing statement)

Debate Loser - Trump

Held Their Own - No decision - All others will make some positive gains at Trump's expense

I made that comment at the start of the debate, and I agree that Trump did not do well. Carson did very well, I especially liked his comment about when a reporter asked him why he did not talk about race more often, and he replied that he was a neuro surgeon. I could not find that clip but found this one.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 07, 2015, 02:45:34 PM

Any link to a balanced synopsis on the debates you guys over the pond can post from your news channels will be most welcome. tiphat

Is this accurate?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/the-republican-rivals-gather-in-cleveland/400712/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 07, 2015, 06:58:44 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 07, 2015, 02:45:34 PM

Any link to a balanced synopsis on the debates you guys over the pond can post from your news channels will be most welcome. tiphat

Is this accurate?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/the-republican-rivals-gather-in-cleveland/400712/

I personally consider this a typical left-wing hatchet job, for example the following statement on race relations is a false narrative they wish to push and they deliberately left out Dr. Ben Carson's brilliant statement on the subject, and he made more than one, so a typically slanted version.

excerpt
"It was a debate marked by conversations about immigration, abortion, and foreign policy—especially about Iran. The discussion of race relations, the biggest news story of the last year, was notably sparse. It took more than 90 minutes until a candidate received a #BlackLivesMatter question, and when it came, the candidates opted to tread lightly, avoiding unforced errors."
end

First of all race relations was not and is not the "biggest new story of the year" it was a deliberately manufactured crisis by Obama and race baiter Al Sharpton to draw attention away from Obama's failings on the economy, immigration and national defense.

Anyhow the economy and the Iran deal and our shrinking military are the top stories of importance and most candidates did a very good job touching on those.

You do not seem to care for Fox News however they are the most balanced and honest when it comes to American politics.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 09, 2015, 12:13:56 AM

Highlights of Trump during the debate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 09, 2015, 08:36:33 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 07, 2015, 02:45:34 PM

Any link to a balanced synopsis on the debates you guys over the pond can post from your news channels will be most welcome. tiphat

Is this accurate?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/the-republican-rivals-gather-in-cleveland/400712/

Pretty fair coverage if you ask me.

I actually had time to watch the debate myself Sunday night.

First, it was very clear to me that Fox News was playing for a huge audience which they got. :bow:

Second, I think Megan Kelly is smokin' hot :thumbsup:

Third, I think the moderators decided early on to challenge Trump on many of his stated positions on issues. After listening myself, I don't believe these questions were unfair or anything he wouldn't have had to answer later on in the campaign.

Trump critically fumbled the opening question and the question about women. The last hour of the debate was an absolute disaster for him. The other candidates really did nothing to hurt themselves and Kasich, Huckabee, Rubio and Carson probably helped themselves a little bit.

I actually felt more comfortable about Bush based on his debate performance, but would never vote for him in a primary (unless he was running alone with Trump). My early selection of Walker remains intact and his performance was solid.

Was disappointed they didn't give Cruz more questions so he could show off his superior debating skills. I've always liked him but think he's too much of a lightening rod to get elected.

In the "junior varsity" debate held beforehand, Carley Fiorina was excellent and should move into the top tier of candidates. She really ripped Hillary Clinton in an interview following the debate. Being a woman herself, she can get away with this without being labeled a misogynist. Here is the link for that: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Fiorena+argues+with+matthews+interview&ei=UTF-8&fr=chrf-yff21

I predict Trump will lose about 5% points based on this first debate. They will be evenly split out between the candidates I've mentioned above. Politically, not much happened but it was a HUGE commercial win for Fox News.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 09, 2015, 09:31:52 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 06, 2015, 07:07:44 PM

Well my friend it's only just begun and Trump is already being somewhat contentious, however I disagree that he will walk off of the stage. He's in it to win as far as I can tell, so please save that $300.00 you're going to be owing me. :king:

Anteros I would not spend that $300 just yet.

Unfortunately, DT is in it for the money and bail as his ratings further decline. He will be walking away with some change though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cdnexpat on August 10, 2015, 01:13:09 AM

The GOP must give DT credit for mobilizing the news. Nothing is being heard about the Dem campaign in the press! tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 10, 2015, 07:11:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 09, 2015, 08:36:33 PM

I predict Trump will lose about 5% points based on this first debate. They will be evenly split out between the candidates I've mentioned above. Politically, not much happened but it was a HUGE commercial win for Fox News.

Others feel quite different then you do in regards to how Trump did in the debate. Most feel he could have done better but it was not the disaster you describe.

Your prediction did not come true, he has actually gained one percentage point in the latest poll I saw.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-first-post-debate-poll-still-gives-donald-trump-a-commanding-lead/ar-BBlC4jn?ocid=iehp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 10, 2015, 07:27:15 PM

If Trump gets elected, I will move to Costa Rica... and Rush Limbaugh can come home.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on August 10, 2015, 08:05:10 PM

I think that eventually the Donald will say something crazy like Ross Perot did and people will see him for the nut he kinda is. As the people are looking for something other than a politician they will then go for Dr. Carson or Huckabee. And with the Huckster they know exactly how he feels about everything since he had a long running tv show.

Go Carson.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 10, 2015, 09:14:35 PM

Trump for president! :party0011:

He was awesomeness on steriods!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on August 10, 2015, 11:43:36 PM

I really can not believe this. He has turn this campaign into the worlds most watched reality show. He has a ego larger than Putin's. He mainly want to be president because that is the largest ego trip he can think of. At least most of the time Putin is classy where Donald is not. This article ask the question, is Trump who you really want? The writer tries to understand the Trump voter but seems to be as confused as I am.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trump-voters-is-this-really-what-you-want/ar-BBlturt

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on August 11, 2015, 01:07:32 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on August 10, 2015, 11:43:36 PM

This article ask the question, is Trump who you really want?

"Trump channels your anger. He talks the way you do. He validates concerns that both major parties and the media ignore – or mock.

As I wrote the week he entered the race, Trump is a reflection of an angry, anxious America – a people buffeted by the sort of economic and social change that historically creates disconnection, disillusionment, and disengagement. Two-thirds of Americans think their country is on the "wrong track." Three-quarters say life for the next generation will be worse than it was for their parents, the opposite of the American dream. Trust in government is at a record low, as is the public's faith in almost every social institution."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/trump-voters-is-this-really-what-you-want/ar-BBlturt

I think it's not Trump per se they want, they want radical change and he seems to be the most radical of all available options.

That's how Milosevic came to power at the time, many play on that card. (Not to make any parallels between the two, i merely brought an example of a politician who played at general discontentment and anger. In our case it was unjustified, in case of USA, even if it's justified, such a choice is not a solution...) You need a revolution, not necessarily a proletarian one. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 11, 2015, 02:54:24 AM

Quote from: Volshe on August 11, 2015, 01:07:32 AM

That's how Milosevic came to power at the time, many play on that card. (Not to make any parallels between the two, i merely brought an example of a politician who played at general discontentment and anger. In our case it was unjustified, in case of USA, even if it's justified, such a choice is not a solution...) You need a revolution, not necessarily a proletarian one. ;D

Milosevic rose to power in the chaos of post Tito Yugoslavia. He managed to galvanize a part of what is now Serbia. Yugoslavia was a created & artificial country in the post Second World Map. The same analogy can be made of Vladimir Putin.

But the significance of this region (southern Slavia) in history is astounding.

My guess America does not need a revolution or a president with a bad hairdo (Donald & Hilary are you listening). But rather a return to core values and principles.

I guess it will mean less involvement in the Middle East and the agony that is present Russia. It will reflect an approach of lets fix what is wrong at home and deal with the decisive issues.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on August 11, 2015, 04:07:00 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 11, 2015, 02:54:24 AM

My guess (1) America does not need a revolution or a president with a bad hairdo (Donald & Hilary are you listening). (2) But rather a return to core values and principles.

[/quote]

numbered by me

(1) :ROFL:

(2) i couldn't agree more with you; the thing is i think we'd need a revolutionary change so to go back to what founding fathers had advocated.

I think it's greed that's root of all the problems - politicians being greedy for power, 1% being greedy for profit, none of them being willing to do some more fair sharing and distribution.
Then we have the 99%, majority of which is in the state of dormita, living as if they are asleep, who are being fed junk food and brainwashed by commercials and reality tv, made for decades to shop above their means and now having to live in the modern day slavery of debt and mortgages. (And i am not talking of US exclusively, it's like that globally, only the pic changes a bit in accordance with local colors.)
A shift in consciousnesses is a prerequisite to change that, call it a revolution or tikkun olam, the label is irrelevant. Until then, whether they vote for Trump or Clinton, it will be irrelevant too, it won't change anything. :biggrin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on August 11, 2015, 05:09:28 AM

Quote from: Volshe on August 11, 2015, 04:07:00 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 11, 2015, 02:54:24 AM

My guess (1) America does not need a revolution or a president with a bad hairdo (Donald & Hilary are you listening). (2) But rather a return to core values and principles.

numbered by me

(1) :ROFL:

(2) i couldn't agree more with you; the thing is i think we'd need a revolutionary change so to go back to what founding fathers had advocated.

I think it's greed that's root of all the problems - politicians being greedy for power, 1% being greedy for profit, none of them being willing to do some more fair sharing and distribution.
Then we have the 99%, majority of which is in the state of dormita, living as if they are asleep, who are being fed junk food and brainwashed by commercials and reality tv, made for decades to shop above their means and now having to live in the modern day slavery of debt and mortgages. (And i am not talking of US exclusively, it's like that globally, only the pic changes a bit in accordance with local colors.)
A shift in consciousnesses is a prerequisite to change that, call it a revolution or tikkun olam, the label is irrelevant. Until then, whether they vote for Trump or Clinton, it will be irrelevant too, it won't change anything. :biggrin:

It sounds like that show supernatural, except in this real world, the leviathans have won!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 11, 2015, 08:37:32 AM

Quote from: cdnexpat on August 10, 2015, 01:13:09 AM

The GOP must give DT credit for mobilizing the news. Nothing is being heard about the Dem campaign in the press! tiphat

No surprise about that. Old rule of politics, when your opponent is self-destructing, stand aside and let him continue.

It does amaze me how he can continually stay "on offense" without time to research new material.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 11, 2015, 09:24:25 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 11, 2015, 08:37:32 AM

Quote from: cdnexpat on August 10, 2015, 01:13:09 AM
The GOP must give DT credit for mobilizing the news. Nothing is being heard about the Dem campaign in the press! tiphat

No surprise about that. Old rule of politics, when your opponent is self-destructing, stand aside and let him continue.

It does amaze me how he can continually stay "on offense" without time to research new material.

Supposedly that's going to change when he releases some material discussing his positions. Ted Cruz got a bump out of the debate and I see that as a good thing.

My top 3 favorites currently are Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and Scott Walker. Any one of those 3 could make a real difference in reversing the damage done by Obama and getting the USA back on the right track.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on August 11, 2015, 10:29:54 AM

Quote from: Markje on August 11, 2015, 05:09:28 AM

It sounds like that show supernatural, except in this real world, the leviathans have won!

:nod:

Richard Roman: Now it's your turn to listen. I'd sooner swim through hot garbage than shake hands with a bottom-feeding mutation like you. You demons are ugly, lazy, gold-digging wh**es. You're less than humans, and they're not good for much 'til you dip 'em in garlic sauce. I'd never work with you, Crowley. In fact, if I wasn't busy with better things, I might actively wipe your kind from the face of the Universe. And you'd deserve it. Are we clear? >:(

(Season 7, Episode 6)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cdnexpat on August 11, 2015, 12:26:02 PM

I just read somewhere that an English bookmaker was betting on DT. It is a long shot, but the payoff would be good, like 27 to 1. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 11, 2015, 12:38:27 PM

Quote from: cdnexpat on August 11, 2015, 12:26:02 PM

I just read somewhere that an English bookmaker was betting on DT. It is a long shot, but the payoff would be good, like 27 to 1. :coffeeread:

In case you didn't notice, Shakespear gave me 30 to 1 odds. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 11, 2015, 12:52:23 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 11, 2015, 12:38:27 PM

In case you didn't notice, Shakespear gave me 30 to 1 odds. :laugh:

Shows I treated you fairly with a "sporting" proposition.

Unlike Manny's "even odds" bet offer (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Chris on August 11, 2015, 01:01:05 PM

Quote from: cdnexpat on August 11, 2015, 12:26:02 PM

I just read somewhere that an English bookmaker was betting on DT. It is a long shot, but the payoff would be good, like 27 to 1. :coffeeread:

He is around 14-1 over here, can't find him anywhere near 27-1.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 11, 2015, 01:26:16 PM

Quote from: Chris on August 11, 2015, 01:01:05 PM

He is around 14-1 over here, can't find him anywhere near 27-1.

14-1 to be the next President of the USA?

Whom do I contact to take the other side of that bet?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 11, 2015, 02:02:26 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 11, 2015, 12:52:23 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 11, 2015, 12:38:27 PM
In case you didn't notice, Shakespear gave me 30 to 1 odds. :laugh:

Shows I treated you fairly with a "sporting" proposition.

Unlike Manny's "even odds" bet offer (:)

Oh I agree 100%. I don't expect to win this bet however I'm enjoying the show and the remote (very, very remote) possibility. Manny's bet? LOL does he think everyone is a sucker?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 11, 2015, 02:44:15 PM

Can I ask what you chaps over the pond think of his idea of building a wall between you and Mexico?

I know it sounds big, but in the past, Berlin and China managed to build large walls.........

Meanwhile, we are unable to build one around a train station in France..... :-\

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is currently you have great swathes of land that have no meaningful boundary and illegals running across the border via unsecured and un-policed farmland?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Chris on August 11, 2015, 02:49:46 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 11, 2015, 02:44:15 PM

Can I ask what you chaps over the pond think of his idea of building a wall between you and Mexico?

I know it sounds big, but in the past, Berlin and China managed to build large walls.........

Meanwhile, we are unable to build one around a train station in France..... :-\

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is currently you have great swathes of land that have no meaningful boundary and illegals running across the border via unsecured and un-policed farmland?

We need Hadrian back, he managed a pretty decent vallum over 70 miles long nearly 1900 years ago without too much trouble, and it kept the Picts out :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 11, 2015, 02:57:12 PM

Quote from: Chris on August 11, 2015, 02:49:46 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 11, 2015, 02:44:15 PM
Can I ask what you chaps over the pond think of his idea of building a wall between you and Mexico?

I know it sounds big, but in the past, Berlin and China managed to build large walls.........

Meanwhile, we are unable to build one around a train station in France..... :-\

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is currently you have great swathes of land that have no meaningful boundary and illegals running across the border via unsecured and un-policed farmland?

We need Hadrian back, he managed one over 70 miles long nearly 1900 years ago without too much trouble, and it kept the Picts out :chuckle:

Exactly! I watched a documentary a few nights ago on how the great wall of China was built over time, but Cameron seems to think a few bits of chain link is alright in Calais. :-\

The Yanks have a big border with Mexico, but if it isn't really a border at all as we might understand one, why are they all so surprised that thousands flee across what seems to be just unsecured ranches?

It might sound a daft idea to build a wall so long, but it has been done before. I am not sure he will get Mexico to pay for it as he says, but even if the US pays, wont the saved benefit payments make it self financing and a boost to employment in the border regions? Better to spend the money employing Americans to build a wall than paying benefits to economic migrants.

Maybe I am misunderstanding or over-simplifying the issues in the US at the southern border, but it looks to me a larger version of what we have at Calais. But politicians don't have the bollocks to grasp the issue by the horns; as we have here too.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Chris on August 11, 2015, 02:59:04 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 11, 2015, 02:57:12 PM

Quote from: Chris on August 11, 2015, 02:49:46 PM
Quote from: Manny on August 11, 2015, 02:44:15 PM
Can I ask what you chaps over the pond think of his idea of building a wall between you and Mexico?

I know it sounds big, but in the past, Berlin and China managed to build large walls.........

Meanwhile, we are unable to build one around a train station in France..... :-\

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is currently you have great swathes of land that have no meaningful boundary and illegals running across the border via unsecured and un-policed farmland?

We need Hadrian back, he managed one over 70 miles long nearly 1900 years ago without too much trouble, and it kept the Picts out :chuckle:

Exactly! I watched a documentary a few nights ago on how the great wall of China was built over time, but Cameron seems to think a few bits of chain link is alright in Calais. :-\

The Yanks have a big border with Mexico, but if it isn't really a border at all as we might understand one, why are they all so surprised that thousands flee across what seems to be just unsecured ranches?

It might sound a daft idea to build a wall so long, but it has been done before. I am not sure he will get Mexico to pay for it as he says, but even if the US pays, wont the saved benefit payments make it self financing and a boost to employment in the border regions?

It's a no brainer really.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on August 11, 2015, 04:14:42 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 11, 2015, 02:44:15 PM

Can I ask what you chaps over the pond think of his idea of building a wall between you and Mexico?

I know it sounds big, but in the past, Berlin and China managed to build large walls.........

Meanwhile, we are unable to build one around a train station in France..... :-\

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is currently you have great swathes of land that have no meaningful boundary and illegals running across the border via unsecured and un-policed farmland?

You forget one of the more famous walls built by the Romans.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on August 11, 2015, 05:30:37 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 11, 2015, 02:44:15 PM

Can I ask what you chaps over the pond think of his idea of building a wall between you and Mexico?

I know it sounds big, but in the past, Berlin and China managed to build large walls.........

Meanwhile, we are unable to build one around a train station in France..... :-\

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is currently you have great swathes of land that have no meaningful boundary and illegals running across the border via unsecured and un-policed farmland?

Apart from crossing a river ( Rio Grande?) or tunnelling under the border?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 11, 2015, 06:01:45 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 11, 2015, 02:57:12 PM

Maybe I am misunderstanding or over-simplifying the issues in the US at the southern border, but it looks to me a larger version of what we have at Calais. But politicians don't have the bollocks to grasp the issue by the horns; as we have here too.

This is on purpose:
Proof:

(I am saying this for years , this is on purpose, finally Trump says it also)
if you are a highly educated European, Asian, Korean, its impossible to get into the US/EU. if you are ignorant and stupid,..., no porblemo.

Reason,
1) Ego, white liberals want to create a subclass of poor illiterates because it moves them up the food-chain of status.
2) Vote buying, and poverty pimping and jerking off at their racefettish. (hte usual)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 11, 2015, 08:22:40 PM

The amount of Crime and Drugs Trafficking from 60 to 80+ out of control gangs of Narco Terrorists the largest being Sinaloa - yes El Chapo himself who threatened to kill Mr. Trump and has had thousands killed and many more in the USA from lethal overdoses - and responsible for more than 60% of all lethal illegal drugs and extended Narco Terrorist war against the USA is mind Boggling!

Estimates of up to $45 Billion USD a year in smuggled narcotics across our southern border that are having a horrific body count and overdose death epidemic in both the USA and Mexico. Over 150,000+ Mexicans have lost their lives in Narco Terrorists territorial rivalries for control of the Narcotics trans shipments routes from central and South America.

And the Mexican government has the unmitigated gall to say if you gringos did not use so much drugs we would not be a lawless NARCO STATE -

WTF - these Narco Terrorists are flooding the USA with the most addictive and lethal narcotics and psychotropic drugs known to science and it is the GRINGOS FAULT THEY ARE BECOMING ADDICTED AT EPIDEMIC levels.

The fact that an admitted past Drug Using CiC who regularly invites criminal convicted Drugs Dealers and felons to perform at the white house who also does NOTHING to stem the failed Narco State and Narco wars on our southern border is proof of the old adage Words and Rhetoric are full of Lies and Deceit but actions NEVER Lie and our Betrayer in Chief has proven himself to be Anti America and Anti American for not defending our nation from this lethal murderous rampage across our entire southern border.

If the CiC Obamunist had actually taken the Oath and Served in Uniform he would never Betray the USA in all the ways he has - $20 Trillion in Debt, ISIS on the March Iran and Hatebollahs on a flight path to nukes and certain nuclear war in the Middle East either with Sunni defenders of the Faith Saudi Arabia or Hebrew Israel, a crumbling infrastructure, a concerted effort to crush the USA's energy revolution, a disbanded NASA and disbanding DoD with 40,000 US Army personnel given pink slips while ISIS, China and Russia conquer new territories and mineral reserves daily - this CiC is truly traitor in chief Proven by his ACTIONS - Why Russia and China and Iran bother to hack us is beyond me when the White House gives them everything they want and then some. Oh yeah BTW his so called Cyber Security initiative is a TOTAL fail.

Sooner we get a real America Loving Patriot that wants to see America back on a winning streak and truly become Great Again the better... I don't think you will ever see a devout Muslim true believer and Saudi King Robe kisser as President of the USA ever again.

Sooner Mr. Trump gets control of our still substantial Nuclear Arsenal and offensive delivery platforms and starts giving corrective interviews to all of our enemies and all of our adversaries and and all of our so called fair weather allies the better.

Phoock them ALL and let Allah sort them out.

This is how the real Patriots in the silent majority of the USA truly feel now and Mr. Trump is the ONLY candidate tapping into this sentiment in any serious way.

Even if it comes down to Hillary vs Bush vs Trump - and a electoral college constitutional crisis - well a little revolution is good for a democracy from time to time - Thomas Jefferson, Chief Architect and Writer of the Constitution of the United States of America.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 11, 2015, 08:38:09 PM

Cuffy, usually I can take away a piece of gold from your posts. The above is ugly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 11, 2015, 09:03:43 PM

I have 3 books on my desk:

1. The Death of Money - the Coming Collapse of the International Monetary System, James Rickards CIA Financial War Games facilitator.

2. America 2020 - The Survival Blueprint - Forward by Dr. Ron Paul - Author Porter Stansberry

3. Where to Stash your Cash Legally in Offshore Financial Centers of the World
Authors Robert Bauman and Ted Bauman of the Sovereign Society

We have people collapsing on the streets of our small high tech City due to rampant Heroin Lethal Overdoses supplied by the Mexican Narco Terrorists - and our state is on the border of Canada - things have gotten really ugly here and worse over the past couple years thanks to the incompetent Obamunists and yet we have many RUA Euro contributors gloating over the demise and end of the USA.

I have lived a long and interesting life - my only wish is if I go up in a Nuclear Mushroom Cloud I get to take the rest of you ugly Anti Americans with me. A proper Nuclear Winter could last decades and wipe out most of our enemies and friendemies in the process. I read the half life of radioactive lethality of Chernobyl is 4.5 Billion years - perfect.

That is not nearly as ugly as the narco terrorists mass murder on our southern borders and lethal overdoses across every community of our nation.

America's Silent majority is pissed off and in an extremely UGLY mood - don't be surprised at the results.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 11, 2015, 09:17:07 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 11, 2015, 02:44:15 PM

Can I ask what you chaps over the pond think of his idea of building a wall between you and Mexico?

I know it sounds big, but in the past, Berlin and China managed to build large walls.........

Meanwhile, we are unable to build one around a train station in France..... :-\

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is currently you have great swathes of land that have no meaningful boundary and illegals running across the border via unsecured and un-policed farmland?

Yes you are right. Rio Grande river is the border but at places it is just trickle of water in a stream.

Mostly patrolled now by listening devices, long-range observation, and undermanned security forces. They are starting to use drones to increase coverage. Walls do exist on portions of the border. The rest are fences that are easily breached.

The wall has already been approved by a previous Congress. The current Congress cannot follow through because Obama will veto any spending on a wall and the Republicans do not have the votes to over-ride his veto.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cdnexpat on August 12, 2015, 11:10:35 AM

A wall will do nothing to stop illegal immigrants from coming. Just look at the refugees coming across the Mediterranean.
Second, if a wall is to be built, better to contract the Chinese. They have experience.
Drugs will come anyway. They always find corrupt officials along the way, to let it pass.

Cufflinks, you seem to blame everything on Obama, even your 20Tr $ deficit, and wars from the last 20 years. He had less to do there than the war mongering GOP before him. He managed to withdraw from Afghanistan, after realizing that not much had been accomplished there.
You also seem to refer to the war mongering far right as the patriots, and the left, democratic, forward thinking liberals, as traitors.
You may think differently, but politicians who worry more about the education, health, and general welfare of its citizens are in my view more patriotic than those who support wasting tax payers dollars in far away conflicts, that do nothing to secure America. On the contrary, these wars have created enemies, created a strong and vocal opposition inside the US, and have helped impoverish its citizens.
I don't see as patriotic, politicians who stand by loose or inexistant gun control laws, who go against the liberalization of LGBT rights, abortion, and medicare for all.
Patriotism is a play of word, and it is abused by the politicians, and the US MSM, in my view.
You are free to disagree, and respond. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 12, 2015, 11:31:40 AM

Quote from: Manny on August 11, 2015, 02:57:12 PM

Quote from: Chris on August 11, 2015, 02:49:46 PM
Quote from: Manny on August 11, 2015, 02:44:15 PM
Can I ask what you chaps over the pond think of his idea of building a wall between you and Mexico?

I know it sounds big, but in the past, Berlin and China managed to build large walls.........

Meanwhile, we are unable to build one around a train station in France..... :-\

Correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is currently you have great swathes of land that have no meaningful boundary and illegals running across the border via unsecured and un-policed farmland?

We need Hadrian back, he managed one over 70 miles long nearly 1900 years ago without too much trouble, and it kept the Picts out :chuckle:

Exactly! I watched a documentary a few nights ago on how the great wall of China was built over time, but Cameron seems to think a few bits of chain link is alright in Calais. :-\

The Yanks have a big border with Mexico, but if it isn't really a border at all as we might understand one, why are they all so surprised that thousands flee across what seems to be just unsecured ranches?

It might sound a daft idea to build a wall so long, but it has been done before. I am not sure he will get Mexico to pay for it as he says, but even if the US pays, wont the saved benefit payments make it self financing and a boost to employment in the border regions? Better to spend the money employing Americans to build a wall than paying benefits to economic migrants.

Maybe I am misunderstanding or over-simplifying the issues in the US at the southern border, but it looks to me a larger version of what we have at Calais. But politicians don't have the bollocks to grasp the issue by the horns; as we have here too.

Thanks to Trump for bringing it up the rest of the party who just wanted to pretend the problem did not exist now must at least discuss it. However they've been doing that for 30 years while the problem has only gotten worse and worse. Trump is the kind of man who would actually get it done without any excuses at all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 12, 2015, 11:36:20 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 11, 2015, 09:03:43 PM

I have 3 books on my desk:

1. The Death of Money - the Coming Collapse of the International Monetary System, James Rickards CIA Financial War Games facilitator.

2. America 2020 - The Survival Blueprint - Forward by Dr. Ron Paul - Author Porter Stansberry

3. Where to Stash your Cash Legally in Offshore Financial Centers of the World
Authors Robert Bauman and Ted Bauman of the Sovereign Society

We have people collapsing on the streets of our small high tech City due to rampant Heroin Lethal Overdoses supplied by the Mexican Narco Terrorists - and our state is on the border of Canada - things have gotten really ugly here and worse over the past couple years thanks to the incompetent Obamunists and yet we have many RUA Euro contributors gloating over the demise and end of the USA.

I have lived a long and interesting life - my only wish is if I go up in a Nuclear Mushroom Cloud I get to take the rest of you ugly Anti Americans with me. A proper Nuclear Winter could last decades and wipe out most of our enemies and friendemies in the process. I read the half life of radioactive lethality of Chernobyl is 4.5 Billion years - perfect.

That is not nearly as ugly as the narco terrorists mass murder on our southern borders and lethal overdoses across every community of our nation.

America's Silent majority is pissed off and in an extremely UGLY mood - don't be surprised at the results.

AvHdb you wanted ugly -- there you got it, and he's correct about the mood of this country after 7 years of dictatorial rule by a Muslim/Marxist failure.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 14, 2015, 04:42:19 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 11, 2015, 09:03:43 PM

I have 3 books on my desk:

pdf's are a great invention, that being said, i think most people should have at least 3 mathematics books on statistics on their desk, thats more helpfull.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 16, 2015, 08:02:11 PM

The first "really" after debate polls released today.

Trump down 1% overall but down 4% with women.

Do you really think he's going to put up the millions required to mount an effective multi-state ground game and television ad campaign?

His "entertainment" value has about run it's course.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 16, 2015, 08:21:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 16, 2015, 08:02:11 PM

The first "really" after debate polls released today.

Trump down 1% overall but down 4% with women.

Do you really think he's going to put up the millions required to mount an effective multi-state ground game and television ad campaign?

His "entertainment" value has about run it's course.

Would you like to back that statement up with another sporting bet? He is in it for the long haul. Furthermore he will be making a lot of statements (he already is, actually) to shore up support with women and more or less undo any damage he did with them from the initial debate. Although politics is not his normal forte I am confident that he has some very good people in his camp, such as his daughter and others, who will help him to say the right things in regards to women. I would say you are not really paying attention, based on this post.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 16, 2015, 11:47:00 PM

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

Check and Mate Trump - this will be the lead talking points OF ALL MAJOR and INTERNATIONAL MEDIA for the next Month...

And this is just the beginning - It is the most PRO AMERICAN document since the constitution and bill of rights and it is just one major problem of about a dozen facing the USA.

One down 11 to go to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

To all you America Haters hope you are stocked up on your iodine pills because Trump is about to nuke our enemies worldwide - well figuratively to begin.

I was donating to Rand Paul - moving forward it will be Mr. Trump whether ( R ) or ( I ).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 17, 2015, 02:40:21 AM

As some, but obviously not all, USAians have realised, there is a huge gulf between the platform promises and eventual policy.

Trump could offer to build a coliseum in every major city, put on weekly circuses with duels to the Death between gladiators and some chosen minority. Such a scheme would be almost certainly meet with popular approval. The problem is that such a plan would have to be agreed to by the much more powerful interest groups who actually control the implementation of any policy.

He can say what he wants, but you'll get what you've got and until the selectorate in the US understand that simple truth there will be, can be, no change.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 17, 2015, 06:01:29 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 17, 2015, 02:40:21 AM

As some, but obviously not all, USAians have realised, there is a huge gulf between the platform promises and eventual policy.

Trump could offer to build a coliseum in every major city, put on weekly circuses with duels to the Death between gladiators and some chosen minority. Such a scheme would be almost certainly meet with popular approval. The problem is that such a plan would have to be agreed to by the much more powerful interest groups who actually control the implementation of any policy.

He can say what he wants, but you'll get what you've got and until the selectorate in the US understand that simple truth there will be, can be, no change.

So says the gent in the speed bump city of Tallinn on the NovoSoviet road to Europa.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: GuppyCaptain on August 17, 2015, 08:44:08 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 16, 2015, 11:47:00 PM

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

Check and Mate Trump - this will be the lead talking points OF ALL MAJOR and INTERNATIONAL MEDIA for the next Month...

And this is just the beginning - It is the most PRO AMERICAN document since the constitution and bill of rights and it is just one major problem of about a dozen facing the USA.

One down 11 to go to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

To all you America Haters hope you are stocked up on your iodine pills because Trump is about to nuke our enemies worldwide - well figuratively to begin.

I was donating to Rand Paul - moving forward it will be Mr. Trump whether ( R ) or ( I ).

He needs to run as an independent because he truly is. Either way, I'm voting for him. Personally, I probably couldn't stomach five minutes in his presence, but he's exactly what the country needs right now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 17, 2015, 09:05:30 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 17, 2015, 06:01:29 AM

So says the gent in the speed bump city of Tallinn on the NovoSoviet road to Europa.

Is there something that you are trying to say that might be better expressed in English rather than some patois favoured by boy-men in the cheap sports bars where you seek your company?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 17, 2015, 09:12:59 AM

In a protection racket the receiver of protection money often does provide a service. That the other stuff surounding delivery of that service is unpleasant and unnecessary goes unnoticed by the racketeer but not so by the business owner.

Is kinda why, in Russia, for example, the concept of the krysha morphed over the period of a few years into the security company, many of which are now entirely respectable businesses. The service offered is much the same but the unpleasantness is gone.

The same can be seen to apply in respect of NATO and its owner, the US, in Europe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 17, 2015, 09:46:21 AM

Quote from: Anteros on August 16, 2015, 08:21:05 PM

Would you like to back that statement up with another sporting bet?

Make an even-money proposition and I'll gladly accept.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 17, 2015, 09:56:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 17, 2015, 02:40:21 AM

He can say what he wants, but you'll get what you've got and until the selectorate in the US understand that simple truth there will be, can be, no change.

Oh I don't believe that is true.

Removing all the burdensome regulations that are holding our economy back, getting growth up to 5% instead of 2% will increase our tax base and put us back on track for a surplus. Having Representatives with the balls to stop baseline budgeting which increases spending automatically by 7% each year, but instead cut actual spending across the board by just 1/2% per year will fix the problem in less than 10 years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 17, 2015, 10:28:51 AM

Shakespear, how much of what Obama said, on the stump that he'd do was actually achieved?

Whether you like Obama or not is irrelevant. Very little of what Obama promised was implemented, his policies ended up being very similar to those of his predecessor in almost every important respect and those which got through were transmogrified by his owners into something very different to that which he had envisaged.

The brand owners are the people who get what they want - they pay for that privilege.

You get what you are given.

After all, Kellogs offer 'the best to you each morning'. I dunno about you but a bowl of soggy cornflakes in milk is NOT the best to me in the morning.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on August 17, 2015, 11:26:10 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 17, 2015, 09:05:30 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 17, 2015, 06:01:29 AM

So says the gent in the speed bump city of Tallinn on the NovoSoviet road to Europa.

Is there something that you are trying to say that might be better expressed in English rather than some patois favoured by boy-men in the cheap sports bars where you seek your company?

Given your reaction it was obviously expressed clearly enough.... :chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 17, 2015, 11:46:37 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 16, 2015, 11:47:00 PM

To all you America Haters hope you are stocked up on your iodine pills because Trump is about to nuke our enemies worldwide - well figuratively to begin.

Quite the contrary if you read his stuff. He has the potential to get your country out of everyone elses, improve stuff at home and the world may even start to like y'all eventually once more.

Questions for the folks over the pond: Is it feasible that someone like Trump runs for prez as an independent? Is it simply a question of if you can afford the campaign you are good to go? Would an independent have any likelihood of actually doing what he promised any more than a Republican due to the lack of party mechanism, or would the underlying civil service that exists still be making all the decisions as now?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 17, 2015, 11:58:46 AM

So, bb, if you understand his childish gobbledegook perhaps you could interpret his message?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 17, 2015, 12:04:14 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 17, 2015, 10:28:51 AM

Shakespear, how much of what Obama said, on the stump that he'd do was actually achieved?

Well Andrew, he promised to fundamentally change America.

Regrettably, he has been quite successful in that pledge.

Obamacare?

EPA regulations?

Executive orders on Immigration reform?

Zero Republican bills coming out of Senate?

Ruination of US coal industry?

Not approving Keystone Pipeline?

Appointing a whole new generation of liberal federal court judges?

I almost start crying when I look at the list.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 17, 2015, 12:10:14 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 17, 2015, 11:46:37 AM

Questions for the folks over the pond: Is it feasible that someone like Trump runs for prez as an independent? Is it simply a question of if you can afford the campaign you are good to go? Would an independent have any likelihood of actually doing what he promised any more than a Republican due to the lack of party mechanism, or would the underlying civil service that exists still be making all the decisions as now?

No.

Any independent candidate that splits the conservative vote virtually guarantees a Democrat will win the White House.

Look at the 1992 election. Clinton won with only 43% of the vote. George H Bush got 37.5% and Ross Perot got 18.9%. There isn't a single expert that will disagree that Bush would have won that election if Perot had not run as a third-party candidate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on August 17, 2015, 12:47:21 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 17, 2015, 11:58:46 AM

So, bb, if you understand his childish gobbledegook perhaps you could interpret his message?

No need. You clearly understood it.

Quote from: Manny on August 17, 2015, 11:46:37 AM

Questions for the folks over the pond: Is it feasible that someone like Trump runs for prez as an independent?

Not really, b/c of the Electoral College. Ross Perot won nearly 19% of the vote in 1992 (handing the election to Bill Clinton by siphoning off votes from President Bush the Elder), but won *zero* votes in the Electoral College.

Under a parliamentary system, Reform (his sort-of party) would won a bunch of seats and been a player, but under US rules, they got zip.

Quote from: Manny on August 17, 2015, 11:46:37 AM

Is it simply a question of if you can afford the campaign you are good to go?

A candidate with his own $ can make a splash, but without a major party nomination, his chances of winning are infinitesimally small. Some sort of 'black swan' event would have to happen, such as one of the major party candidates being a sacrificial lamb, and then the front runner being found with a live boy or a dead girl in his bead.

You sometimes see this on the state level--a few years ago, long time Democratic Senator Joe Lieberman lost a primary to Ned Lamont, who was a hair-on-fire liberal b/c the Dems' primary voters were out of their minds angry and Lieberman was pretty conservative for a Dem. The GOP had nominated some guy with a pulse b/c it was expected that Lieberman, who had been his party's VP nominee, would sail to re-election.

So what happened is the GOP abandoned their candidate (who wound up with <10% of the vote) and voted for Lieberman, returning him to the Senate. Had the GOP nominated someone like popular Governor Jody Rell, they might have won the seat, but nobody anticipated Lieberman's fall among Dems.

Lieberman actually won his first senatorial election in similar fashion, as he was more conservative than then-Senator (and Republican) Lowell Weicker--may he roast in hell--who, two years later, after he won the governorship as an independent, promptly gave Connecticut its first state income tax. Not a very GOP thing to do, certainly. Better if he'd remained in the Senate where he could do less harm....

Quote from: Manny on August 17, 2015, 11:46:37 AM

Would an independent have any likelihood of actually doing what he promised any more than a Republican due to the lack of party mechanism, or would the underlying civil service that exists still be making all the decisions as now?

That second one.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on August 17, 2015, 12:48:48 PM

Incidentally, I find that no matter how cynical I become, I can never keep up.....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 17, 2015, 01:01:37 PM

Bb, you funny little man. I have no idea what is in your mind but for sure there was something in Cuffy's. I am keen to know what it was.

I think your powers of divination are not as good as you'd have us think. So, given that situation can you please tell us what Cufflinks was trying to communicate.

Shakespear, usually I am prepared with data, not making guesses. This time is no exception. I took a shufti here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/ midway through two terms less than half of his promises have been kept. A quick look suggests that those which are of significance to the economy and the world (basically those of interest to 'the powers that be') Are much more likely to either have been significantly compromised or not implemented. I mean, you may hate the fact that the defense of marriage act is dead but it makes zero difference to the world or even to the large majority of USAians. The health care legislation is nothing close to that which was envisaged and is a lash up that serves the insurance industry at the expense of the people - not the plan at all!

As I noted already, if Trump were, by some miracle, to find himself as president the chances of him getting his populist promises through will be even lower than Obama has been with his much more reasonable and sensible ideas. One might suggest that promises made are simply to capture votes. In almost every case, unless a proposal is congruent with the wishes of the power blocs, lobbies and 'deep state' it ain't going to happen.

Political is an interesting site. Poking around a little. You let your leaders get away with murder. So many lies and half truths - they make certain satellite installers, resident in Russia look like paragons of virtue. Obama, for example, rated as lying or misleading in over half his statements.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 17, 2015, 01:15:02 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 17, 2015, 11:46:37 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 16, 2015, 11:47:00 PM
To all you America Haters hope you are stocked up on your iodine pills because Trump is about to nuke our enemies worldwide - well figuratively to begin.

Quite the contrary if you read his stuff. He has the potential to get your country out of everyone elses, improve stuff at home and the world may even start to like y'all eventually once more.

Questions for the folks over the pond: Is it feasible that someone like Trump runs for prez as an independent? Is it simply a question of if you can afford the campaign you are good to go? Would an independent have any likelihood of actually doing what he promised any more than a Republican due to the lack of party mechanism, or would the underlying civil service that exists still be making all the decisions as now?

If Trump runs as an Independent it guarantees that a Democrat will win the Presidency and right now the front runner of that party is Hillary Clinton although it looks like the Obama administration may have had enough of her felonious behavior and she will shortly be barred from running for President as she has committed multiple felonies by using a personal email server for classified material.

In other words Trump must win the nomination as a Republican candidate or he must get out of the race. Anything else guarantees the demise of this once great nation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 17, 2015, 01:21:33 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 17, 2015, 01:01:37 PM

Bb, you funny little man. I have no idea what is in your mind but for sure there was something in Cuffy's. I am keen to know what it was.

I think your powers of divination are not as good as you'd have us think. So, given that situation can you please tell us what Cufflinks was trying to communicate.

Shakespear, usually I am prepared with data, not making guesses. This time is no exception. I took a shufti here: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/ midway through two terms less than half of his promises have been kept. A quick look suggests that those which are of significance to the economy and the world (basically those of interest to 'the powers that be') Are much more likely to either have been significantly compromised or not implemented. I mean, you may hate the fact that the defense of marriage act is dead but it makes zero difference to the world or even to the large majority of USAians. The health care legislation is nothing close to that which was envisaged and is a lash up that serves the insurance industry at the expense of the people - not the plan at all!

As I noted already, if Trump were, by some miracle, to find himself as president the chances of him getting his populist promises through will be even lower than Obama has been with his much more reasonable and sensible ideas. One might suggest that promises made are simply to capture votes. In almost every case, unless a proposal is congruent with the wishes of the power blocs, lobbies and 'deep state' it ain't going to happen.

Political is an interesting site. Poking around a little. You let your leaders get away with murder. So many lies and half truths - they make certain satellite installers, resident in Russia look like paragons of virtue. Obama, for example, rated as lying or misleading in over half his statements.

Proving yet again what a complete twit you are. You are comparing a politician with absolutely no business experience who was beholden to his benefactors to a very successful businessman and political outsider who is financing his own campaign and is beholden to nobody.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 17, 2015, 07:52:05 PM

@Antaros,

"...Anything else guarantees the demise of this once great nation...."

From a Machiavellian standpoint necessarily a bad thing for Europe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 17, 2015, 09:20:33 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 16, 2015, 11:47:00 PM

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

Check and Mate Trump - this will be the lead talking points OF ALL MAJOR and INTERNATIONAL MEDIA for the next Month...

And this is just the beginning - It is the most PRO AMERICAN document since the constitution and bill of rights and it is just one major problem of about a dozen facing the USA.

One down 11 to go to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

To all you America Haters hope you are stocked up on your iodine pills because Trump is about to nuke our enemies worldwide - well figuratively to begin.

I was donating to Rand Paul - moving forward it will be Mr. Trump whether ( R ) or ( I ).

Cuffy, you can't be this naive . . . . . . . . . .

Removing citizenship at birth would require amending the Constitution. President has no power in that regard.

Do you REALLY think the Obama liberal packed lower level federal courts are going to allow mass deportation, even if such laws might pass Congress?

And the cost? Try $200 billion. Where are we going to get the money?

It was a document aimed at placating the high-school graduate, low income, low information voter that is backing Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 17, 2015, 10:15:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 17, 2015, 09:20:33 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 16, 2015, 11:47:00 PM
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

Check and Mate Trump - this will be the lead talking points OF ALL MAJOR and INTERNATIONAL MEDIA for the next Month...

And this is just the beginning - It is the most PRO AMERICAN document since the constitution and bill of rights and it is just one major problem of about a dozen facing the USA.

One down 11 to go to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

To all you America Haters hope you are stocked up on your iodine pills because Trump is about to nuke our enemies worldwide - well figuratively to begin.

I was donating to Rand Paul - moving forward it will be Mr. Trump whether ( R ) or ( I ).

Cuffy, you can't be this naive . . . . . . . . . .

Removing citizenship at birth would require amending the Constitution. President has no power in that regard.

Do you REALLY think the Obama liberal packed lower level federal courts are going to allow mass deportation, even if such laws might pass Congress?

It was a document aimed at the high-school graduate, low income, low information voter that is backing Trump.

Shakes I am far from naive I see the Mexican Fentenyl laced heroin death dealers every day along our Town's heritage rail trail Bicycle path - over 2,000 miles from the Mexican border and drugs to the tune of 400,000 doses a month (Per our Asst Atty General) flooding into a state on the border with Canada with only 1 Million+ people.

Trump is a rock star here because of his PRO-AMERICA policies - HE DOES NOT have to change the constitution just use executive orders the way the anti-American Obamunist in Chief has - but for Pro America reasons. Drugs smuggling narco terrorists should all be shot on site just like ISIS enemy combatants. No difference except the Narco Terrorists pushing fentanyl laced heroin death drugs are killing many tens of thousands more Americans than ISIS.

I would even put a 500 yard DMZ with anti tunnel mines along the entire US-Mexico border.

Its really black and white - you either protect and defend the constitution and the country or you are a pro Islamist Pro Narco Terrorist TRAITOR.

Bottom line Build a Good wall - enforce proper border security and air travel visas and the anchor baby tourism markets from China and Latin America dry up.

The USA is under Narco Terrorism Attack on our southern borders and Obama has been enforcing PRO SINALOA Cartel Drugs Terrorist policies - complete and total leniency - time to elect a PRO America patriot versus the Anti America Obamunist Marxist African National Congress Communist Islamist traitor.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 18, 2015, 01:08:23 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 17, 2015, 09:20:33 PM

And the cost? Try $200 billion. Where are we going to get the money?

Just put the next couple of regime changes in Eastern Europe on ice and get out of Ukraine. I am sure that would about cover it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 08:36:25 AM

Quote from: Manny on August 18, 2015, 01:08:23 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 17, 2015, 09:20:33 PM
And the cost? Try $200 billion. Where are we going to get the money?

Just put the next couple of regime changes in Eastern Europe on ice and get out of Ukraine. I am sure that would about cover it.

Not a bad idea really but only likely to happen at the same time you lot vote in the UKIP and take your one toe in the EU out... curious that the UK never bought into the Debt Bonding mandatory austerity Euro currency???

Looks like someone in the Parliament and the ministries actually understands monetary sovereignty and modern monetary theory and not about to knuckle under to the Euro Bilderbergers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 08:56:31 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 17, 2015, 10:15:41 PM

Its really black and white - you either protect and defend the constitution and the country or you are a pro Islamist Pro Narco Terrorist TRAITOR.

Cuffy, you're approaching whack job status if you REALLY believe what you are advocating.

Protecting and defending the Constitution includes the 14th Amendment. :D

Suspend the 14th Amendment by Executive Order? Really? Do a little research and find out that it takes a 2/3 majority vote from BOTH houses of Congress then ratification by 3/4 of all states.

Trump insists on enforcing current laws. How about the current law which GUARANTEES that a person facing deportation gets a hearing before a judge and then and appeal before a judge?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 09:12:58 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 08:56:31 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 17, 2015, 10:15:41 PM
Its really black and white - you either protect and defend the constitution and the country or you are a pro Islamist Pro Narco Terrorist TRAITOR.

Cuffy, you're approaching whack job status if you REALLY believe what you are advocating.

Protecting and defending the Constitution includes the 14th Amendment. :D

Suspend the 14th Amendment by Executive Order? Really? Do a little research and find out that it takes a 2/3 majority vote from BOTH houses of Congress then ratification by 3/4 of all states.

Trump insists on enforcing current laws. How about the current law which GUARANTEES that a person facing deportation gets a hearing before a judge and then and appeal before a judge?

Shakes I know you hate Northeasterners, New Yorkers and especially HATE Trump - I find it incredulous as Mr. Trump is the most PRO Veteran candidate in the field including Republicans, independents and Democleptocrats.

Re-read my post NO modification to the Constitution necessary with a Really good WALL and proper bio-metric visa tracking and border and airport entry/egress management systems.

As long as the USA is in a state of war the CiC Executive Orders have teeth - look at all the unconstitutional executive orders Obama issued and are being enforced without supreme court challenge.

Perhaps I am seeing a different reality on the ground in first in the nation Primary New Hampshire than you are seeing in Moscow ...

I am in New Hampshire and I vote as a matter of fact i am going to change my status from Independent to Republican just so I can make sure I am on the Trump events lists and can vote for Donald J. Trump for President and when he wins New Hampshire I am going to enjoy a whack job Cuban seed VICTORY cigar and Scotch chaser.

President Donald J. Trump - you might as well get used to it...

And that is saying something as I donated to the Rand Paul campaign and Ron Paul C4L pac four times already yet Rand has collapsed to less than 4% in the NH GOP polls.

If it is Trump or Clinton/Biden/Sanders are you really going to vote against Trump?

Rhetorical question no need to answer.

Mr. Trump will follow all of the laws of the land until he gets the GOP house and Senate to ratify and change them or be considered domestic enemies LOL.

The Obamunists systematically denied all TEA Party tax exempt applications - high freaking treason and an impeachable offense - Obama claims he had no awareness of this IRS crime wave which makes him both a liar and incompetent.

Per Shakes: "And the cost? Try $200 billion. Where are we going to get the money?"

Last I checked this was a hysterical Liberal Main Screaming Media number - real costs will be MUCH MUCH less when the fortified "E-verify" system is required for every job with every employer in America - time to give jobs to Americans especially the 40% unemployed core Urban youth populations.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 18, 2015, 09:55:09 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 08:36:25 AM

curious that the UK never bought into the Debt Bonding mandatory austerity Euro currency???

Why would we want to? The pound has been around since Anglo Saxon times. And pennies since the 7th century. :rolleye0009:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 09:56:32 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 09:12:58 AM

Re-read my post NO modification to the Constitution necessary with a Really good WALL and proper bio-metric visa tracking and border and airport entry/egress management systems.

Sorry buddy but you're dead wrong here.

The only way to deny a person who was born in the USA citizenship is to change the 14th Amendment.

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 09:12:58 AM

President Donald J. Trump - you might as well get used to it...

If it is Trump or Clinton/Biden/Sanders are you really going to vote against Trump?

Of course I'd vote for Trump. I'd prefer to have a President who didn't engage his mouth before his mind - you know, ready fire, aim . . . . . .

One only has to do minor statistical analysis of current polling data to understand Trump has zero chance at getting the nomination.

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 09:12:58 AM

Last I checked this was a hysterical Liberal Main Screaming Media number - real costs will be MUCH MUCH less when the fortified "E-verify" system is required for every job with every employer in America - time to give jobs to Americans especially the 40% unemployed core Urban youth populations.

You didn't answer my last point. What about the cost of giving 20,000,000 illegal immigrants their mandated hearing before a federal immigration judge AND THEN their mandated appeal before you are legally allowed to deport them? Cost of building a wall? Cost of increasing the border patrol by 300%? The cost of rounding up, detaining, housing and transporting 20,000,000 illegal immigrants in custody and the expense of returning them to their home countries?

Don't even get me started about forcing Western Union to confiscate all money going from the USA to as a result of illegal immigrants sending money they earned in the USA back to their home countries. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

The Trump plan did contain a few ideas worthy of serious discussion; however on a whole it was an unworkable, unConstitutional joke; just like the candidate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 18, 2015, 09:59:40 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 09:56:32 AM

Don't even get me started about forcing Western Union to confiscate all money going from the USA to as a result of illegal immigrants sending money they earned in the USA back to their home countries. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

That wont happen. The US likes to export dollars. Stop sending them to Mexico and they will start to de-dollarise as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 10:05:39 AM

Quote from: Manny on August 18, 2015, 09:55:09 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 08:36:25 AM
curious that the UK never bought into the Debt Bonding mandatory austerity Euro currency???

Why would we want to? The pound has been around since Anglo Saxon times. And pennies since the 7th century. :rolleye0009:

It was a compliment to UK non-Euro intelligence.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 10:15:53 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 09:56:32 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 09:12:58 AM
Re-read my post NO modification to the Constitution necessary with a Really good WALL and proper bio-metric visa tracking and border and airport entry/egress management systems.

Sorry buddy but you're dead wrong here.

The only way to deny a person who was born in the USA citizenship is to change the 14th Amendment.

Or to keep them the Phuck out in the first place... as for illegals here Parents go home and US Citizens children go into foster care problem solved.

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 09:12:58 AM

President Donald J. Trump - you might as well get used to it...

If it is Trump or Clinton/Biden/Sanders are you really going to vote against Trump?

Of course I'd vote for Trump. I'd prefer to have a President who didn't engage his mouth before his mind - you know, ready fire, aim . . . . . . and Of course I will vote for the GOP vs Hitlery or the Obamunist Communist Millitant Marxist Feminists so we are closer than we are apart Captain.

One only has to do minor statistical analysis of current polling data to understand Trump has zero chance at getting the nomination.

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 09:12:58 AM
Last I checked this was a hysterical Liberal Main Screaming Media number - real costs will be MUCH MUCH less when the fortified "E-verify" system is required for every job with every employer in America - time to give jobs to Americans especially the 40% unemployed core Urban youth populations.

You didn't answer my last point. What about the cost of giving 20,000,000 illegal immigrants their mandated hearing before a federal immigration judge AND THEN their mandated appeal before you are legally allowed to deport them? Cost of building a wall? Cost of increasing the border patrol by 300%? The cost of rounding up, detaining, housing and transporting 20,000,000 illegal immigrants in custody and the expense of returning them to their home countries?

Answer e-verify them all and only hire legal American citizens for jobs - they will in fact go back to where they can earn a livelihood in Mexico, Brazil, El Salvador and Hondouras, Cameroon, Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria, Gabon, EU etc etc etc etc

Don't even get me started about forcing Western Union to confiscate all money going from the USA to as a result of illegal immigrants sending money they earned in the USA back to their home countries. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . RICO Act

The Trump plan did contain a few ideas worthy of serious discussion; however on a whole it was an unworkable, unConstitutional joke; just like the candidate.

I am still voting for him period - in order to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

I got to get one of those Red and White hats and pin a "Veterans for TRUMP" pin to it along with lapel Dolphins.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 11:31:17 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 10:15:53 AM

Or to keep them the Phuck out in the first place... as for illegals here Parents go home and US Citizens children go into foster care problem solved.

What are you going to do with the 20,000,000 here right now?

Break up families?

What a ridiculous idea.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on August 18, 2015, 11:35:39 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 11:31:17 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 10:15:53 AM
Or to keep them the Phuck out in the first place... as for illegals here Parents go home and US Citizens children go into foster care problem solved.

What are you going to do with the 20,000,000 here right now?

Break up families?

What a ridiculous idea.

NL has a different idea. You do not get automatic citizenship if both non-dutch parents, even if born on dutch soil.

It also goes for fathers + non-dutch Mothers if not married to them.

Which is why I had to get married before Lena gave birth, otherwise I would have to ask for Dutch citizenship and Dvisa etc. for my own son >:(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 11:38:21 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 11:31:17 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 10:15:53 AM
Or to keep them the Phuck out in the first place... as for illegals here Parents go home and US Citizens children go into foster care problem solved.

What are you going to do with the 20,000,000 here right now?

Break up families?

What a ridiculous idea.

The ridiculous idea is that there are actually 20 million illegals here many involved in the narcotics trade because $10 an hour for them under the table is a joke.

Time to man up and grow a set and actually protect Americans for a change versus illegals over running the country with the worst heroin/opiods epidemic in history - that is no accident here.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 11:40:40 AM

Quote from: Markje on August 18, 2015, 11:35:39 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 10:15:53 AM
Or to keep them the Phuck out in the first place... as for illegals here Parents go home and US Citizens children go into foster care problem solved.

What are you going to do with the 20,000,000 here right now?

Break up families?

What a ridiculous idea.
NL has a different idea. You do not get automatic citizenship if both non-dutch parents, even if born on dutch soil.

It also goes for fathers + non-dutch Mothers if not married to them.

Which is why I had to get married before Lena gave birth, otherwise I would have to ask for Dutch citizenship and Dvisa etc. for my own son >:(

As liberal and overrun with radical Islamists the Netherlands are you have got to admire the common sense Dutch pragmatism.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 11:41:32 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 10:15:53 AM

Answer e-verify them all and only hire legal American citizens for jobs - they will in fact go back to where they can earn a livelihood in Mexico, Brazil, El Salvador and Hondouras, Cameroon, Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria, Gabon, EU etc etc etc etc

That may work for FUTURE illegal immigrants but you're avoiding my question. What about the 20,000,000 already here that the Trump plan says need to be deported immediately. How we gonna pay for that?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 11:51:23 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 11:40:40 AM

As liberal and overrun with radical Islamists the Netherlands are you have got to admire the common sense Dutch pragmatism.

Yes, the 14th Amendment to our Constitution can prove to be problematic . . . . . . . . . . .

Personally I think this amendment needs to be changed myself, but I am aware that it would be a difficult task to accomplish and have better sense than to think cavalierly that this is a practical short-term solution.

"Jus soli" is only offered by 30 of the worlds 194 countries. I think the USA needs to remove themselves from that list.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 12:15:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 11:41:32 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 10:15:53 AM
Answer e-verify them all and only hire legal American citizens for jobs - they will in fact go back to where they can earn a livelihood in Mexico, Brazil, El Salvador and Hondouras, Cameroon, Kenya, Somalia, Nigeria, Gabon, EU etc etc etc etc

That may work for FUTURE illegal immigrants but you're avoiding my question. What about the 20,000,000 already here that the Trump plan says need to be deported immediately. How we gonna pay for that?

You have two plans the Trump Plan to protect Americans or the liberal RINOs and Demcleptocrats AMNESTY plan - sometimes when between a rock and a hard place you have tough big boy decisions to make.

Step 1. A strong wall halts the tsunami of fentenyl laced deathe heroin and opiods flooding in from El Chapo's Sinaloa narco terrorists down to a managable trickle - basically what they can swallow or stuff into bodily cavities - we have X ray systems that find 90% of that muled narcotics. Mandatory instant deportation for criminals to country of origin period - since they did not care about their families by being criminals - foster care and orphanages are the only option.

Step 2. A mandatory e-verify system flushes out ALL of the faked and stolen Social Security cards - no valid SSN NO Jobs.

Step 3. Voluntary family reunification in their home countries with tickets and a stipend for honestly doing the right thing and getting back in line legally.

Step 4. American Foreign Legion option for those who have worked hard, can pass drugs tests and physical and mental tests and have clean criminal records serve 6 years with an honorable discharge and earn citizenship OBTW the US Army and Marines are doing this right now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 12:20:49 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 12:15:23 PM

You have two plans the Trump Plan to protect Americans or the liberal RINOs and Demcleptocrats AMNESTY plan - sometimes when between a rock and a hard place you have tough big boy decisions to make.

You keep ignoring my question.

I'll ask one more time. . . . . . . .

Where we gonna get the $200+ BILLION its going to cost to implement this plan?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 12:42:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 12:20:49 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 12:15:23 PM
You have two plans the Trump Plan to protect Americans or the liberal RINOs and Demcleptocrats AMNESTY plan - sometimes when between a rock and a hard place you have tough big boy decisions to make.

You keep ignoring my question.

I'll ask one more time. . . . . . . .

Where we gonna get the $200+ BILLION its going to cost to implement this plan?

With all due respect to your honorable service as a US Marine you are being repetitively pedantic in this case - $200 Billion is a drop in the bucket the USA is monetarily sovereign and can issue instructions from various financial agencies to send by various electronic transfer and deposit methods any amount of money necessary to defend our country at any time. Then the $200 Billion (for arguments sake we will go with $200B a number that is likely overblown by a factor of ten times or more) is saved from ending the nationwide provisioning of Obamunist welfare programs, health, food, housing, transportation etc. etc. which has cost us Trillions over the years and past several decades. It is in Trumps plan with due credit to US Senator Jeff Sessions - a serious man.

In short the US Federal Government is Monetarily Sovereign over its own money supply paper and electronic - unlike states which have to take cash grants from the federal government and levy taxes to balance their budgets except for the radical local Obamunist governments which are bankrupt like Chicago and Detroit et. al.

http://mythfighter.com/2010/08/13/monetarily-sovereign-the-key-to-understanding-economics/

Perhaps no words more accurately and succinctly illustrate the confusion about economics than “Monetary Sovereignty.” It is not a theory or a hypothesis or a philosophy. In its essence it merely is a description of the way federal financing actually works.

A Monetarily Sovereign government has the exclusive and unlimited power to create its sovereign currency. Monetary Sovereignty is the foundation of economics. The United States is Monetarily Sovereign. It has the exclusively unlimited power to create the dollar. China, Canada, Australia, the UK and Japan are Monetarily Sovereign. They have the exclusively unlimited power to create their sovereign currencies.

The U.S. government created the dollar from thin air, by creating from thin air, all the laws and rules that made the dollar possible. Being sovereign over the dollar, the U.S. can do anything it wishes with the dollar. It can make the dollar equal to three euros, two pumpkins or one partridge in a pear tree. The federal government’s power over the dollar is unlimited.

Illinois, Cook County and Chicago are monetarily NON-sovereign. The dollar is not their sovereign currency, and they do not have the unlimited power to create dollars. France, Germany and Italy are monetarily non-sovereign. They do not have the exclusively unlimited power to create their currency, the euro.

You, your business and I also are monetarily non-sovereign. Even Bill Gates and Warren Buffet do not have the unlimited power to create dollars. They are monetarily non-sovereign.

Because our Monetarily Sovereign nation has the unlimited power to create its sovereign currency, the dollar, it never needs to ask anyone for dollars. It doesn’t need to tax or borrow, and it never can be forced into bankruptcy. It can pay any bill of any size at any time.

In fact, the federal government creates money by paying its bills. The U.S. has created many trillions of dollars, simply by pressing computer keys, and will continue to do so. It does not “owe” anyone for creating these dollars. The government cannot live beyond its means; it has no means to live beyond.

By contrast, if the debts of France, Germany et al, exceed their ability to obtain euros they, as monetarily non-sovereign nations, could be forced into bankruptcy. They did not create the euro, nor do they have the unlimited ability to pay bills.

Everything you believe about your personal finances — debts, deficits, spending, affordability, saving and budgeting — are inappropriate to U.S. federal finances. For this reason, your personal intuition about U.S. financing likely is wrong.

Because no Monetarily Sovereign nation can be forced into bankruptcy, none of that nation’s agencies can be forced into bankruptcy. The U.S Supreme Court, the Department of Defense, Congress, Social Security, Medicare and any of the other 1,300 federal agencies cannot go bankrupt unless the federal government wishes it.

(All the talk about Social Security or Medicare going bankrupt is misguided. Even if FICA were eliminated, Social Security and Medicare would not need to go bankrupt, unless Congress wished it. They could pay benefits, forever.)

The unlimited ability to create money is an uncontested fact for Monetarily Sovereign nations, although at any given time,economic growth, inflation, deflation, recession, depression and social factors may influence a nation’s decision to create money.

A Monetarily Sovereign nation even can choose to declare bankruptcy, for various reasons, but this would be an arbitrary matter of choice, not a forced necessity. An example would be Congress’s failure to raise the debt ceiling. This could force the U.S. into bankruptcy.

Debt hawks do not (or do not wish to) understand the implications of Monetary Sovereignty. You never will see that term on such debt hawk web sites as The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget” or the Concord Coalition.

If you go to those sites you will see federal debt described in the same terms as personal debt – as an unsustainable obligation. While debt can be unsustainable for you, me, businesses, states, cities, counties and the monetarily non-sovereign EU nations, no debt is unsustainable for the U.S. government.

Debt hawks suffer from Anthropomorphic economics disease — the false belief that federal finances are like yours and mine.

The U.S. was not always completely Monetarily Sovereign. Prior to 1971, the U.S was on a gold standard. It had a sovereign currency, but did not have the unlimited ability to create that currency, since every dollar needed to be backed by a fixed amount of gold. No gold; no dollars.

Similarly, the EU nations are on a euro standard. Their ability to create euros is limited by law. Our states, counties and cities are on a dollar standard. Their ability to create or obtain money by borrowing or taxing is limited by local law, by voters and by lenders.

The financial problems of Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece and Spain (The PIIGS), are due not to deficits and debt. They are due to these nations having surrendered the single most valuable asset any nation can own — their Monetary Sovereignty — thus preventing them from servicing their debt by creating money.

Some debt hawks say that a Debt/GDP ratio exceeding 100% puts a nation on the brink of bankruptcy. Yet today, Japan has a Debt/GDP ratio above 200%, and this Monetarily Sovereign nation has absolutely no difficulty servicing its debt.

The debt hawks, as usual, having learned nothing from this, continue to wail about the meaningless Debt/GDP ratio, which because it is a classic apples/oranges comparison, is devoid of significance (the numerator is a 200-year measure of cumulative T-securities outstanding; the denominator is a one-year measure of productivity. The two are unrelated).

So-called federal “debt” is the nothing more than the total of dollars deposited in T-securities accounts at the Federal Reserve Bank. These accounts essentially are savings accounts.

To “pay off” the federal debt, the Federal Reserve Bank merely debits these T-securities accounts and credits holders’ checking accounts, the same way your personal bank transfers dollars from your savings account to your checking account. No new dollars needed.

Thus, all federal debt easily could be eliminated tomorrow.

That would require pressing a few computer keys. This would be a simple asset exchange, with no new money created and no inflation consequences.

Because a Monetarily Sovereign nation has the unlimited ability to create its sovereign currency, that nation needs neither to tax nor to borrow. Why would it?

Further, that nation does not use tax money or borrowed money to pay for spending. Federal income has no relationship to federal spending and so, taxes and borrowing are unnecessary.

When the states, counties, cities, you and I spend, we transfer dollars from our checking accounts to some other checking accounts. When the federal government spends, it creates dollars.

To pay its bills, the government sends instructions (not dollars) to creditors’ banks, instructing the banks to increase the dollar amount in creditors’ checking accounts. These instructions are in the form of checks or wires.

At the moment the bank obeys those instructions, dollars are created, and the money supply is increased. This is how the federal government creates dollars — not by “printing,” but by sending instructions.

If U.S. federal taxes and borrowing fell to $0, or rose to $100 trillion, neither event would reduce by even one penny, the federal government’s ability to create the money to pay any size bills.

Although Monetarily Sovereign nations need neither to tax nor to borrow, they may choose to do so for reasons unrelated to financial need. The spending by Monetarily Sovereign nations is constrained only by inflation.

However, since 1971, the end of the gold standard and the beginning of Monetary Sovereignty, there has been no relationship between federal deficit spending and inflation. More about this at Inflation and at SUMMARY.

At some level, deficit spending could cause inflation. For instance, if the government were to give every American $1 trillion, I am confident we would have inflation. But we are nowhere near that point.

Because taxes do not pay for federal spending, FICA does not pay for Social Security benefits. FICA could (and should) be reduced to zero, and benefits could be tripled, and this would not affect by even one penny the federal government’s ability to pay Social Security benefits.

Recently, the federal government made a profit on its purchase and sale of corporate stock (GM et al). All such profits came out of the economy, and therefore were recessive — harmful to the economy and useless for the federal government.

By reducing the money supply, federal profits = losses for the economy. Federal surpluses = economic deficits.

The federal government has “saved” money by firing, or reducing the pay of, federal employees. Those so-called “savings” would be money not sent into the economy, and therefore, are recessive. The federal government, having the unlimited ability to create dollars, does not need to “save” dollars.

Politicians and the press do not yet seem to understand Monetary Sovereignty. However, no one intelligently can discuss national deficits and debt without acknowledging the implications of Monetarily Sovereignty. The concept is the basis for all modern economics. Monetary Sovereignty is to economics as arithmetic is to mathematics.

The next time you go to any economics blog or web site, see if the contributors understand Monetarily Sovereignty and use it in their discussions. If they do, it might be a good site. If they don’t, the site is worthless.

All debt hawk objections revolve around just two questions:
1. How much money can the federal government create? Answer: Infinite
2. How much money should the federal government create? Answer: Up to the threat of uncontrollable inflation.

Despite an astounding 3,500% increase in debt since 1971, we are not anywhere near the point where deficits cause uncontrollable inflation (which is controlled via interest rates). As of this writing, we are fighting deflation.

In short, most of our economic problems are caused by the politicians, the media and the public not recognizinging the implications of Monetary Sovereignty. By crippling the federal government’s ability to grow the U.S. economy, the Tea/Republicans have injured more Americans than Al Qaeda.

I suggest you next read the data at Summary, for detailed answers to your questions.

Question of the day: How does a tax increase or spending decrease reduce unemployment or grow the economy?

Answer: When the federal government taxes, dollars are removed from the economy. When the federal government spends, dollars are added to the economy.

A federal deficit is a surplus for the economy.

Therefore, both a tax increase and a spending decrease reduce money growth in the economy. Because GDP = Federal Spending + Non-federal Spending + Net Exports, a reduction in money growth reduces economic growth.

Money is the lifeblood of an economy. Cutting the federal deficit to cure a recession is like applying leeches to cure anemia.

Rodger Malcolm Mitchell
Monetary Sovereignty

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 18, 2015, 01:09:17 PM

Quote from: Markje on August 18, 2015, 11:35:39 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 11:31:17 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 10:15:53 AM
Or to keep them the Phuck out in the first place... as for illegals here Parents go home and US Citizens children go into foster care problem solved.

What are you going to do with the 20,000,000 here right now?

Break up families?

What a ridiculous idea.
NL has a different idea. You do not get automatic citizenship if both non-dutch parents, even if born on dutch soil.

It also goes for fathers + non-dutch Mothers if not married to them.

Which is why I had to get married before Lena gave birth, otherwise I would have to ask for Dutch citizenship and Dvisa etc. for my own son >:(

This rule was necessary because your lefty baby-boomer traitors gave away citizenship for free in the past. and consequently muslims getting breeders from the retarded villages they came from. To stop this, said rules (and many others) were implemented.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 18, 2015, 01:10:35 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 12:20:49 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 12:15:23 PM
You have two plans the Trump Plan to protect Americans or the liberal RINOs and Demcleptocrats AMNESTY plan - sometimes when between a rock and a hard place you have tough big boy decisions to make.

You keep ignoring my question.

I'll ask one more time. . . . . . . .

Where we gonna get the $200+ BILLION its going to cost to implement this plan?

Mexico is going to pay for it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 18, 2015, 01:33:51 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 12:20:49 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 12:15:23 PM
You have two plans the Trump Plan to protect Americans or the liberal RINOs and Demcleptocrats AMNESTY plan - sometimes when between a rock and a hard place you have tough big boy decisions to make.

You keep ignoring my question.

I'll ask one more time. . . . . . . .

Where we gonna get the $200+ BILLION its going to cost to implement this plan?

I more or less answered this question in a different thread about illegal immigration a couple of years ago. Charge them a fine and offer them to be legal guest workers -- six months in then six months out. As long as they register and pay a fine they can become legal guest workers but they should not receive amnesty. Amnesty simply does not work. It was proved not to work by Reagan granting amnesty to 12 million or so back when he was President. The alternative if they don't pay the fine and register is that any employer caught employing them would pay 5 times the fine that the employee would have, and they would get deported immediately.

If Obama can bypass Congress then so could Trump, in answer to that portion of your question. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on August 18, 2015, 01:36:14 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 18, 2015, 09:55:09 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 08:36:25 AM
curious that the UK never bought into the Debt Bonding mandatory austerity Euro currency???

Why would we want to? The pound has been around since Anglo Saxon times. And pennies since the 7th century. :rolleye0009:

Well, you did get rid of Imperial measurements. :chuckle:

Can't say I blame the UK on keeping the pound--otherwise you'd be ceding even more control to the EUrocracy, this time in the form of the ECB, which now wants control of fiscal policy. /shudder.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 02:29:42 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 18, 2015, 01:10:35 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 12:20:49 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 12:15:23 PM
You have two plans the Trump Plan to protect Americans or the liberal RINOs and Demcleptocrats AMNESTY plan - sometimes when between a rock and a hard place you have tough big boy decisions to make.

You keep ignoring my question.

I'll ask one more time. . . . . . . .

Where we gonna get the $200+ BILLION its going to cost to implement this plan?

Mexico is going to pay for it.

Just as i suspected NBC evening news just reported the total cost to deport 11 Million Illegals and their families to be approximately $138 Billion ($12,545.00 USD per illegal) a far cry from $200 Billion above and I am sure just as liberal Main Screaming Media overblown - when all is said and done real costs will be a fraction and savings on welfare Section 8, WIC, EBT, Medicaid, Medicare, Family SSDI/SSI, Obamaphones, Job training, free cars of $5K per month savings times 11 Million illegals is $55 Billion per month or 20 Million Illegals $100 Billion per month... so either way deportation of all illegals is an ROI of Total costs in 2 to 4 months - a roaring freaking financial success any way you cut it.

The $55B to $100B per month can be used to employ and train and house and provide healthcare to Americans till they get on their feet and then the savings can be used to rebuild Americans Roads and bridges and Airports and Sea Ports and energy fields and pipelines creating tens of millions of solid US Jobs in the process.

It Turns out the ROI is so great the Anti-American Main Screaming Media has been screaming over this fact to divert attention regarding how expensive illegals really are and how much they take up in resources that can be better deployed as indicated above.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 02:36:01 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 02:29:42 PM

Just as i suspected NBC evening news just reported the total cost to deport 11 Million Illegals and their families to be approximately $138 Billion ($12,545.00 USD per illegal) a far cry from $200 Billion above and I am sure just as liberal Main Screaming Media overblown. . .

Problem is there are closer to 20 million illegals.

The last change to the Constitution was the Twenty-seventh Amendment (Amendment XXVII) which prohibits any law that increases or decreases the salary of members of Congress from taking effect until the start of the next set of terms of office for Representatives. It was submitted by Congress to the states for ratification on September 25, 1789. The amendment became part of the United States Constitution on May 7, 1992, following a record-setting ratification period of 202 years, 7 months, and 12 days. So forget changing the 14th Amendment.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 03:01:04 PM

The real eye opener here and amazing fact the Obamunists do not want YOU to know is the more the number of actual illegals the greater the ROI upon deportation - look above 11 Million illegals = $55B per month ROI and 20 Million illegals equals a nice round $100B thats One Hundred Billion USD ROI - PER EVERY SINGLE MONTH so two months or so and we are out of the Red and back into the black - perhaps the greatest Federal Government Savings initiative I have ever seen.

We could DROP US Corporate and Individual Federal taxes with these savings, reduce costs of Education, Healthcare and retirement for real Americans thereafter.

And here is the most novel idea of all - we could actually start paying down the principal on the national debt!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 03:39:05 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 03:01:04 PM

The real eye opener here and amazing fact the Obamunists do not want YOU to know is the more the number of actual illegals the greater the ROI upon deportation - look above 11 Million illegals = $55B per month ROI and 20 Million illegals equals a nice round $100B thats One Hundred Billion USD ROI - PER EVERY SINGLE MONTH so two months or so and we are out of the Red and back into the black - perhaps the greatest Federal Government Savings initiative I have ever seen.

So according to law, we're going to have 20 million federal deportation hearings and then 15-20 million appeal hearings; pay for the incarceration of 20 million people and then pay for their eventual deportation back to their home country.

With 20,000,000 immigrants times 15 minutes per hearing, divided by 500 federal immigration judges divided by 32 hearings per day would take 18,750 days, or 51 years to complete. Assuming 75% of them ask for appeals, add another 38 years to the process. So it would take us 89 years to deport ALL the illegal immigrants under current law.

How we gonna do that? What's your best guess on the expense of incarcerating 20,000,000 illegal aliens (and their offspring) for 89 years?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 03:51:19 PM

Hire 50,000 judges and the time comes down to .89 years - good and done...

Americans need good jobs even contractor Judges jobs would be well subscribed.

The bigger the problem the bigger the solutions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 03:57:13 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 03:51:19 PM

Hire 50,000 judges and the time comes down to .89 years - good and done...

Americans need good jobs even contractor Judges jobs would be well subscribed.

The bigger the problem the bigger the solutions.

{sigh}

Immigration judges are federal appointments.

Assuming it takes 4 weeks to vet, interview, take testimony and then vote and have the President approve a judge and that we could do 60 judges per month it would take almost 68 years to appoint 49500 federal judges.

Quit being obtuse - it's just not going to happen for literally hundreds of valid reasons

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 04:09:56 PM

Shakes no disrespect but you are being just a pedantic and argumentative with vastly inflated numbers and costs...

Fact is you ENFORCE E-Verify that I (And every other American Citizen) have to go through on every contract job I take and the Illegals cash flows goes to ZERO plain and simple - no income and no Obamunists Gravy Train and plain and simple they leave at their own expense - no money no honey.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 18, 2015, 05:53:31 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 03:39:05 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/1985/05/12/world/ghanaians-expelled-by-nigeria-return-home-to-start-over.html
With 20,000,000 immigrants times 15 minutes per hearing, divided by 500 yak yak yak yak, liberal broken record

Nigeria can deport over a 700.000 illigals over a week.
a 3rd world shithole can do something the USA cant?
dont think so.

Predictable leftist counter-rant: bla bla bla, no due course.
yeah, and when Obama did presidential order xxx to shove Obama care down your throughts then due process wasnt that important he?

On May 3, the Nigerian Government told 700,000 illegal aliens that they had a week to leave and that the borders, previously closed to prevent currency smuggling, would be open for their departure. In addition to the 300,000 migrant workers from Ghana, there were about 100,000 from Niger; most of the rest were from Chad and Cameroon.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on August 18, 2015, 08:02:48 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 02:29:42 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 18, 2015, 01:10:35 PM
Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 12:20:49 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 12:15:23 PM
You have two plans the Trump Plan to protect Americans or the liberal RINOs and Demcleptocrats AMNESTY plan - sometimes when between a rock and a hard place you have tough big boy decisions to make.

You keep ignoring my question.

I'll ask one more time. . . . . . . .

Where we gonna get the $200+ BILLION its going to cost to implement this plan?

Mexico is going to pay for it.

Just as i suspected NBC evening news just reported the total cost to deport 11 Million Illegals and their families to be approximately $138 Billion ($12,545.00 USD per illegal) a far cry from $200 Billion above and I am sure just as liberal Main Screaming Media overblown - when all is said and done real costs will be a fraction and savings on welfare Section 8, WIC, EBT, Medicaid, Medicare, Family SSDI/SSI, Obamaphones, Job training, free cars of $5K per month savings times 11 Million illegals is $55 Billion per month or 20 Million Illegals $100 Billion per month... so either way deportation of all illegals is an ROI of Total costs in 2 to 4 months - a roaring freaking financial success any way you cut it.

The $55B to $100B per month can be used to employ and train and house and provide healthcare to Americans till they get on their feet and then the savings can be used to rebuild Americans Roads and bridges and Airports and Sea Ports and energy fields and pipelines creating tens of millions of solid US Jobs in the process.

It Turns out the ROI is so great the Anti-American Main Screaming Media has been screaming over this fact to divert attention regarding how expensive illegals really are and how much they take up in resources that can be better deployed as indicated above.

Give each illegal who leaves $6000 at the border and you cut expenses plus no judge required. Use pictures with face recognition software. If they return give them something different.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 10:56:35 PM

Curious Wall Street Opinion:

http://info.madhedgefundtrader.com/donald/?ims=dwdonald00

The Stock Option Double on Donald Trump’s Run

I will still vote for Mr. Trump on the Strong Chance that he really does want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN for his kids' kids' kids' and beyond.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 19, 2015, 02:23:06 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 10:56:35 PM

Curious Wall Street Opinion:

http://info.madhedgefundtrader.com/donald/?ims=dwdonald00

The Stock Option Double on Donald Trump’s Run

I will still vote for Mr. Trump on the Strong Chance that he really does want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN for his kids' kids' kids' and beyond.

Trump employs the Roman emperor strategy, getting his power from his popularity with the populous and the soldiers, not from the establishment (Roman Senate and political apparatus).

He is prepared to compensate veterans with millions individually and dominate world politics using the strong arm of the military (taking oil fields).

He is a good student of history

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 19, 2015, 03:21:34 AM

Jean, I think you are right about his strategy. Hence his appeal to lowest common denominator fears.

However, I doubt that his appeal to the populace, the proles, will enable him to overcome the entrenched 'real' power bases.

I saw recently a suggestion that the democratic process of the USAian electorate accounted for no more than 20% of the policies of the US government. 80% of the real decision making/influencing comes from wealthy individuals, the military, political lobbies and other wealthy self interest groups that I can not recall.

What the proles want is of little consequence except when those wants are congruent with the desire of one or more of the real powers that be.

I'd expect that he will, if he shows ongoing signs of being a marketable brand, be co-opted by one or more special interest groups who will synergise his populist appeal with their king making powers. End result: a similar situation to every president since Clinton The First.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 19, 2015, 05:11:44 AM

@andrew,
Thinking Trump is motivated by "money and marketing" is pretty naive.

its the knee-jurk pavlov reflex of the average lefty.

This is about power! He already has money.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 19, 2015, 08:03:10 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 10:56:35 PM

I will still vote for Mr. Trump on the Strong Chance that he really does want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN for his kids' kids' kids' and beyond.

A vote for Trump is exactly the same as a vote for Hillary Clinton.

You're a smart fellow Cuffy; think about if for a minute and the truth of the statement will hit you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 19, 2015, 01:45:37 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 19, 2015, 08:03:10 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 10:56:35 PM
I will still vote for Mr. Trump on the Strong Chance that he really does want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN for his kids' kids' kids' and beyond.

A vote for Trump is exactly the same as a vote for Hillary Clinton.

You're a smart fellow Cuffy; think about if for a minute and the truth of the statement will hit you.

With such a shabby constitution the united stated could do nothing but fail as a republic, this was already predicted by many before the ink was even dry on the paper.

Whoever becomes president, you will see the office mutate more and more into a Putin style way of doing business.
1) Massive popularity under the common folk
2) Sidestepping the checks and balances (whats left of it)
3) heavy military oriented, (the multi-million dollar handouts to the families of the slain or wounded veterans , I agree with this one)

Hint: When Ceaser took power, Rome had 200.000 people living on welfare ,..., those "citizens" voted for whoever would give them more free shit and bring home the glory of military victories!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 19, 2015, 01:49:38 PM

If Hitlery gets elected I will be looking closely at taking up ex pat retirement in one of the emerging middle class free markets of Latin America with nice weather 1. Chile, 2. Uruguay 3. Columbia Yes Miami Vice Columbia is almost as free a market as Chile and another emerging market surprise near Panama - Nicaragua...

Only concern is Communist Red China has flooded Panama with 45,000 red army construction technicians for the 3rd Panama Mega Canal which will be finished fairly soon, The 150 mile Long Lake Managua Mega Canal in Nicaragua and the Land Bridge Ship to Rail Rollon Roll Off Land Canal in Columbia, I met a gent whose son was "auditioning" for Berkeley School of music who was arranging sales of Peruvian Mining and Agricultural resources to China as well.

My concern with the Communist Red Chinese Invasion of South America under the Obamunists noses is that they will bring their modern one party not so liberal open democratic thinking with them - I see a future for much of Chinese owned Latin America that would Make Che Guevara and Fidel Castro very proud.

Mexico, Belize and El Salvador are dominated by the violent criminal narco terrorists - perhaps Romania and or Bulgaria are worth a look.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on August 19, 2015, 02:00:34 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 19, 2015, 01:49:38 PM

If Hitlery gets elected I will be looking closely at taking up ex pat retirement in one of the emerging middle class free markets of Latin America with nice weather 1. Chile, 2. Uruguay 3. Columbia Yes Miami Vice Columbia is almost as free a market as Chile and another emerging market surprise near Panama - Nicaragua...

Only concern is Communist Red China has flooded Panama with 45,000 red army construction technicians for the 3rd Panama Mega Canal which will be finished fairly soon, The 150 mile Long Lake Managua Mega Canal in Nicaragua and the Land Bridge Ship to Rail Rollon Roll Off Land Canal in Columbia, I met a gent whose son was "auditioning" for Berkeley School of music who was arranging sales of Peruvian Mining and Agricultural resources to China as well.

My concern with the Communist Red Chinese Invasion of South America under the Obamunists noses is that they will bring their modern one party not so liberal open democratic thinking with them - I see a future for much of Chinese owned Latin America that would Make Che Guevara and Fidel Castro very proud.

Mexico, Belize and El Salvador are dominated by the violent criminal narco terrorists - perhaps Romania and or Bulgaria are worth a look.

paranoia.com in four poorly-worded paragraphs...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 19, 2015, 02:21:33 PM

Quote from: Ste on August 19, 2015, 02:00:34 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 19, 2015, 01:49:38 PM
If Hitlery gets elected I will be looking closely at taking up ex pat retirement in one of the emerging middle class free markets of Latin America with nice weather 1. Chile, 2. Uruguay 3. Columbia Yes Miami Vice Columbia is almost as free a market as Chile and another emerging market surprise near Panama - Nicaragua...

Only concern is Communist Red China has flooded Panama with 45,000 red army construction technicians for the 3rd Panama Mega Canal which will be finished fairly soon, The 150 mile Long Lake Managua Mega Canal in Nicaragua and the Land Bridge Ship to Rail Rollon Roll Off Land Canal in Columbia, I met a gent whose son was "auditioning" for Berkeley School of music who was arranging sales of Peruvian Mining and Agricultural resources to China as well.

My concern with the Communist Red Chinese Invasion of South America under the Obamunists noses is that they will bring their modern one party not so liberal open democratic thinking with them - I see a future for much of Chinese owned Latin America that would Make Che Guevara and Fidel Castro very proud.

Mexico, Belize and El Salvador are dominated by the violent criminal narco terrorists - perhaps Romania and or Bulgaria are worth a look.

paranoia.com in four poorly-worded paragraphs...

Paranoia - have another pint mate - or - contribute constructively to the discussion of the best places in the world to retire if Hitlery becomes the next Marxist Radical Feminist Obamunist President of the Peoples Republic of North America.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 19, 2015, 03:28:28 PM

Whats bad for the US, can be good for Europe,.., a weak US means we cant take on the multicultural fetishist traitors in Europe and have a nice little neurenberg trail 2.0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 19, 2015, 08:03:39 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 19, 2015, 01:49:38 PM

If Hitlery gets elected I will be looking closely at taking up ex pat retirement in one of the emerging middle class free markets of Latin America with nice weather 1. Chile, 2. Uruguay 3. Columbia Yes Miami Vice Columbia is almost as free a market as Chile and another emerging market surprise near Panama - Nicaragua...

Only concern is Communist Red China has flooded Panama with 45,000 red army construction technicians for the 3rd Panama Mega Canal which will be finished fairly soon, The 150 mile Long Lake Managua Mega Canal in Nicaragua and the Land Bridge Ship to Rail Rollon Roll Off Land Canal in Columbia, I met a gent whose son was "auditioning" for Berkeley School of music who was arranging sales of Peruvian Mining and Agricultural resources to China as well.

My concern with the Communist Red Chinese Invasion of South America under the Obamunists noses is that they will bring their modern one party not so liberal open democratic thinking with them - I see a future for much of Chinese owned Latin America that would Make Che Guevara and Fidel Castro very proud.

Mexico, Belize and El Salvador are dominated by the violent criminal narco terrorists - perhaps Romania and or Bulgaria are worth a look.

I would take a look at Ecuador before a couple you chose. The US Dollar is the currency they use as well they have a couple of nice towns for expats. Uruguay always looked good as well. That said I like where I am and doubt if I will leave anytime soon, regardless of who the President is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 19, 2015, 08:06:04 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2015, 02:36:01 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 18, 2015, 02:29:42 PM

Just as i suspected NBC evening news just reported the total cost to deport 11 Million Illegals and their families to be approximately $138 Billion ($12,545.00 USD per illegal) a far cry from $200 Billion above and I am sure just as liberal Main Screaming Media overblown. . .

Problem is there are closer to 20 million illegals.

The last change to the Constitution was the Twenty-seventh Amendment (Amendment XXVII) which prohibits any law that increases or decreases the salary of members of Congress from taking effect until the start of the next set of terms of office for Representatives. It was submitted by Congress to the states for ratification on September 25, 1789. The amendment became part of the United States Constitution on May 7, 1992, following a record-setting ratification period of 202 years, 7 months, and 12 days. So forget changing the 14th Amendment.

I thought Trump was a serious candidate and had a real chance and then he had to go and make this boneheaded announcement. Like you said he can't deport almost 20 Million illegals unless he simply becomes even more of a dictator than Obama was. And good luck changing the Constitution -- like you mention here it is nearly impossible.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 20, 2015, 09:27:47 AM

Quote from: Anteros on August 19, 2015, 08:06:04 PM

I thought Trump was a serious candidate and had a real chance and then he had to go and make this boneheaded announcement. Like you said he can't deport almost 20 Million illegals unless he simply becomes even more of a dictator than Obama was. And good luck changing the Constitution -- like you mention here it is nearly impossible.

Anyone who seriously believes Trump can accomplish what he is promising to accomplish is a naive fool.

The Case law comes from USA vs Wong Kim Ark 1898. Wong born in the USA from non-citizen Chinese parents left the country, tried to re-enter and was denied entry because he was not a citizen. While he was outside the USA, Congress had passed a law in accordance with Article 1 section 8 prohibiting Chinese immigrants born to non-citizen parents from obtaining citizenship by birth. The court rules 6-2 that in passing the immigration law, Congress violated the 14th Amendment which CLEARLY provides for citizenship at birth.

How much more on point does a decision need to be. Do you think the current liberal packed court, goose-stepping in lock step toward socialism would overturn this 117 year old opinion?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 20, 2015, 12:37:47 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 20, 2015, 09:27:47 AM

Quote from: Anteros on August 19, 2015, 08:06:04 PM

I thought Trump was a serious candidate and had a real chance and then he had to go and make this boneheaded announcement. Like you said he can't deport almost 20 Million illegals unless he simply becomes even more of a dictator than Obama was. And good luck changing the Constitution -- like you mention here it is nearly impossible.

Anyone who seriously believes Trump can accomplish what he is promising to accomplish is a naive fool.

The Case law comes from USA vs Wong Kim Ark 1898. Wong born in the USA from non-citizen Chinese parents left the country, tried to re-enter and was denied entry because he was not a citizen. While he was outside the USA, Congress had passed a law in accordance with Article 1 section 8 prohibiting Chinese immigrants born to non-citizen parents from obtaining citizenship by birth. The court rules 6-2 that in passing the immigration law, Congress violated the 14th Amendment which CLEARLY provides for citizenship at birth.

How much more on point does a decision need to be. Do you think the current liberal packed court, goose-stepping in lock step toward socialism would overturn this 117 year old opinion?

No, I absolutely do not. However neither does Trump. Apparently he believes that he can bypass the courts through some sort of executive order. Considering that Obama has done it 700 times it would be par for the course. Or more importantly depending what side of this issue you are on, just fine and dandy.

Did you watch the interview he gave to Chris Cuomo on CNN last night? As I mentioned he is doing his best to show that he "cherishes women". I notice Cuomo did not go after him re his comments on the issue during the debate. I suspect he is being given a pass on a couple of issues (has anyone asked him about gay rights? I don't think so) due to his connections and clout.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/19/politics/donald-trump-chris-cuomo-cnn-interview/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 20, 2015, 04:40:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 20, 2015, 09:27:47 AM

Quote from: Anteros on August 19, 2015, 08:06:04 PM

I thought Trump was a serious candidate and had a real chance and then he had to go and make this boneheaded announcement. Like you said he can't deport almost 20 Million illegals unless he simply becomes even more of a dictator than Obama was. And good luck changing the Constitution -- like you mention here it is nearly impossible.

Anyone who seriously believes Trump can accomplish what he is promising to accomplish is a naive fool.

The Case law comes from USA vs Wong Kim Ark 1898. Wong born in the USA from non-citizen Chinese parents left the country, tried to re-enter and was denied entry because he was not a citizen. While he was outside the USA, Congress had passed a law in accordance with Article 1 section 8 prohibiting Chinese immigrants born to non-citizen parents from obtaining citizenship by birth. The court rules 6-2 that in passing the immigration law, Congress violated the 14th Amendment which CLEARLY provides for citizenship at birth.

How much more on point does a decision need to be. Do you think the current liberal packed court, goose-stepping in lock step toward socialism would overturn this 117 year old opinion?

So the only alternative is we eliminate any requirement for immigrantes to assimilate and learn English and actually CONTRIBUTE to the economy and pay taxes - and - just flush the Union of Obamunists Socialists of America down the toilet and let Sinaloa Narcos and ISIS radicals take the place over. That is called phooking surrender and AIN'T gonna happen Cap'n.

Anything less than Mr. Trump's plan is total Jeb & Rubio style amnestia. That guarantees the USA becomes a tin pot third world banana republic - it is already half way there under the radical marxist Socialist Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals Obamunistas. :rolleye0009: :sick0012: >:( :censored:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 20, 2015, 05:19:16 PM

Deal with it!

http://time.com/4003904/donald-trump-bald-eagle/

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 20, 2015, 09:36:29 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 20, 2015, 05:19:16 PM

Deal with it!

http://time.com/4003904/donald-trump-bald-eagle/

Time Cover

Pretty cool article. Did you notice the photo of Hope Hicks his campaign communications manager? He sure does know how to pick 'em! ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on August 21, 2015, 06:41:04 AM

I thought I'd tell you a story of something that happened last night. You know the hot issue Donald Trump brought up about the illegals or 'undocumented workers' crowding out regular US citizens? Last night my niece came over to my mother's house with her 18 year old daughter and her new born daughter fathered by a run off illegal Mexican alien. They needed to raid my mother's pantry. No big deal it happens from time to time (especially towards the end of the month). Now the situation with my niece and her daughter and her daughter's daughter is they are all on welfare and SSI which is Social Security for the disabled. They are living in a single wide trailer. Besides the three of them there is also the boyfriend of my niece, Manuel. I'll let you guess his immigration status and Nationality. Now if that isn't enough people in this cramped trailer they have taken in another family, a husband and wife, illegals and their four American born children. The children speak excellent English and win academic awards at their public school. Nice people.

Now I got to say I feel sorry for them. Besides the crowded living conditions they'll be eating a lot of pancakes, Kraft macaroni and cheese, canned string beans and pasta noodles. But it reminds me of the issue that Donald Trump brings up. At some point the way things are going the ship is going to sink or at least in the case of my niece the trailer will fall of its stand. What is your opinion on this issue of illegal immigration and "anchor babies?" I've decided to become apolitical and live a quiet life collecting my Social Security. I've paid in $248,000 into my SS account over the past 44 years and hope those monthly payments continue. But I'm a bit concerned they won't. I mean how many more people can we take into OUR trailer?

I just woke up an hour ago and wired from a couple cups of coffee decided to write.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on August 21, 2015, 07:08:45 AM

I don't know either, from one side you feel sorry for those people, from the other side - how many people on welfare are there per one working & tax paying American? Is it sustainable long term? And with this invasion in Europe, what's next? I know what Luxembourg tried to do to solve situation with emigration from our parts (mostly Muslims from the north, who escaped during wars here, albeit they weren't in jeopardy in Monte, anyway), gvmnt of Luxembourg was willing to invest into diary industry and other businesses in the north of the country, so those people could return and have a living... Alas, why would they, if they can live there sans working... (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 07:20:57 AM

Quote from: Anteros on August 20, 2015, 09:36:29 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 20, 2015, 05:19:16 PM
Deal with it!

http://time.com/4003904/donald-trump-bald-eagle/

Time Cover

Pretty cool article. Did you notice the photo of Hope Hicks his campaign communications manager? He sure does know how to pick 'em! ;D

You dont think countries should have borders? You sound like a lefty!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on August 21, 2015, 09:23:21 AM

The problem is not that people from Mexico come here. The problem with illegal immigrates is that you have no control who we get. Some of these immigrates are criminals on the run from the government in Mexico. Others come here just to be criminals. Still most are hard working families that take low paying jobs and make the cost of items in America lower. Many of there children become educated and do well in life and a real add to the USA.

My last US girlfriend was a Mexican immigrate. She came to the US as a child with 5 brothers and sisters. 4 of which graduated from college and the other two sisters that did married men and have stable families. Her father came as a migrant worker. Her father got into the painters union and supported his family and paid taxes without government help. No body in the family is a criminal type.

If a person goes to college in Texas he will see many example of this. Children that have been in America for a number of years coming from families who only want to work hard and have their children succeed. Since they blend in with the rest of the community no body notices them. They are a very lot of them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 09:31:02 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on August 21, 2015, 09:23:21 AM

The problem is not that people from Mexico come here. The problem with illegal immigrates is that you have no control who we get. Some of these immigrates are criminals on the run from the government in Mexico. Others come here just to be criminals. Still most are hard working families that take low paying jobs and make the cost of items in America lower. Many of there children become educated and do well in life and a real add to the USA.

My last US girlfriend was a Mexican immigrate. She came to the US as a child with 5 brothers and sisters. 4 of which graduated from college and the two sisters that did not married men and have stable families. Her father came as a migrant worker. Her father got into the painters union and supported his family and paid taxes without government help. No body in the family is a criminal type.

If a person goes to college in Texas he will see many example of this. Children that have been in America for a number of years coming from families who only want to work hard and have their children succeed. Since they blend in with the rest of the community no body notices them. They are a very lot of them.

Despite what the lefty say, most good mexicans are sick and tired of the chaos, most will vote for trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 09:40:26 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on August 21, 2015, 09:23:21 AM

The problem is not that people from Mexico come here. The problem with illegal immigrates is that you have no control who we get. Some of these immigrates are criminals on the run from the government in Mexico. Others come here just to be criminals. Still most are hard working families that take low paying jobs and make the cost of items in America lower. Many of there children become educated and do well in life and a real add to the USA.

My last US girlfriend was a Mexican immigrate. She came to the US as a child with 5 brothers and sisters. 4 of which graduated from college and the two sisters that did not married men and have stable families. Her father came as a migrant worker. Her father got into the painters union and supported his family and paid taxes without government help. No body in the family is a criminal type.

If a person goes to college in Texas he will see many example of this. Children that have been in America for a number of years coming from families who only want to work hard and have their children succeed. Since they blend in with the rest of the community no body notices them. They are a very lot of them.

Its a very normal thing people get a solliciation/vetting before they are hired in a company

Nobody makes the argument, companies should hire blindly for no reason, (except maybe Marxist)

Countries are organisations too, albeit larger!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on August 21, 2015, 11:47:06 AM

Quote from: Volshe on August 21, 2015, 07:08:45 AM

I don't know either, from one side you feel sorry for those people, from the other side - how many people on welfare are there per one working & tax paying American? Is it sustainable long term?

Each child costs $14,131 a year to educate in Minneapolis where all 4 of them are at. Then add in the the medical costs and other cost of living expenses.

http://www.startribune.com/billboard-shames-minneapolis-school-district-spending/290816491/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 21, 2015, 12:00:18 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 07:20:57 AM

Quote from: Anteros on August 20, 2015, 09:36:29 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on August 20, 2015, 05:19:16 PM
Deal with it!

http://time.com/4003904/donald-trump-bald-eagle/

Time Cover

Pretty cool article. Did you notice the photo of Hope Hicks his campaign communications manager? He sure does know how to pick 'em! ;D

You dont think countries should have borders? You sound like a lefty!

Do you have severe reading comprehension problems or do you just get excited calling everybody a lefty? I am about as far right as you can get and I most definitely do believe in borders. Please try to keep up! :smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on August 21, 2015, 05:14:15 PM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 21, 2015, 05:42:14 PM

Quote from: tfcrew on August 21, 2015, 05:14:15 PM

This seems to be a legitimate concern, but why? Why would he do such a thing? And would he really agree to go along with such a cynical plan? All I can say is that I believe Hillary will soon be disqualified from running for President anyways due to her felonious behavior.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 06:39:14 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 21, 2015, 12:00:18 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 07:20:57 AM
Quote from: Anteros on August 20, 2015, 09:36:29 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on August 20, 2015, 05:19:16 PM
Deal with it!

http://time.com/4003904/donald-trump-bald-eagle/

Time Cover

Pretty cool article. Did you notice the photo of Hope Hicks his campaign communications manager? He sure does know how to pick 'em! ;D

You dont think countries should have borders? You sound like a lefty!

Do you have severe reading comprehension problems or do you just get excited calling everybody a lefty? I am about as far right as you can get and I most definitely do believe in borders. Please try to keep up! :smokin:

No you dont, your nagging about "it cant be done" (sending mexicans back) is typical lefty jive puke

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 21, 2015, 06:44:45 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 06:39:14 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 21, 2015, 12:00:18 PM
Quote from: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 07:20:57 AM
Quote from: Anteros on August 20, 2015, 09:36:29 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on August 20, 2015, 05:19:16 PM
Deal with it!

http://time.com/4003904/donald-trump-bald-eagle/

Time Cover

Pretty cool article. Did you notice the photo of Hope Hicks his campaign communications manager? He sure does know how to pick 'em! ;D

You dont think countries should have borders? You sound like a lefty!

Do you have severe reading comprehension problems or do you just get excited calling everybody a lefty? I am about as far right as you can get and I most definitely do believe in borders. Please try to keep up! :smokin:

No you dont, your nagging about "it cant be done" (sending mexicans back) is typical lefty jive puke

The only "puke" I see lately is you trolling everybody with stupid assertions. I have not nagged that "it can't be done" however I do believe in political realities. Unless you are some sort of Nazi who wants storm troopers going door to door in America and deporting people perhaps it's time you go back to your comfortable nato mattress's in Ukraine. I might add you didn't even get that one, did you? It's what the Germans called lower class German girls who slept with GI's for financial gain.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 21, 2015, 06:47:11 PM

Trump is the only one who can beat Hillary? Again I doubt she is going to be around much longer, however this article makes some good points.

http://totalconservative.com/poll-trump-now-gops-best-shot-against-hillary/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 06:52:53 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 21, 2015, 06:44:45 PM

Unless you are some sort of Nazi who wants storm troopers going door to door in America and deporting people

In Summary: deporting illegals = you are a nazi

above equation only holds if your brain is high on liberal juice!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 06:56:22 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 06:52:53 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 21, 2015, 06:44:45 PM
Unless you are some sort of Nazi who wants storm troopers going door to door in America and deporting people

deporting illegals = you are a nazi

above equation only holds if your brain is high on liberal juice!

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 06:52:53 PM

It's what the Germans called lower class German girls who slept with GI's for financial gain.

You are confused with the Philippines, there in no US naval base in Ukraine.

You only get girls who sleep with you for money? You sound like another lefty i know who got dumped by his "wife" as soon as he went broke!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 07:13:10 PM

Alex Jones show,..ahahahaha?

Antaros, the tin foil hat dude

Ok i will give you this, Trump wants Carl Ican to "deal" with China and Japan.

If Trump wins , basically the USA will be run over by billionaire Wall Street guys DIRECTLY.

In your tin-foil hat world, that would be even more preferable then having a Clinton become Prezz!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 21, 2015, 09:45:22 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 21, 2015, 06:44:45 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 06:39:14 PM
Quote from: Anteros on August 21, 2015, 12:00:18 PM
Quote from: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 07:20:57 AM
Quote from: Anteros on August 20, 2015, 09:36:29 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on August 20, 2015, 05:19:16 PM
Deal with it!

http://time.com/4003904/donald-trump-bald-eagle/

Time Cover

Pretty cool article. Did you notice the photo of Hope Hicks his campaign communications manager? He sure does know how to pick 'em! ;D

You dont think countries should have borders? You sound like a lefty!

Do you have severe reading comprehension problems or do you just get excited calling everybody a lefty? I am about as far right as you can get and I most definitely do believe in borders. Please try to keep up! :smokin:

No you dont, your nagging about "it cant be done" (sending mexicans back) is typical lefty jive puke

The only "puke" I see lately is you trolling everybody with stupid assertions. I have not nagged that "it can't be done" however I do believe in political realities. Unless you are some sort of Nazi who wants storm troopers going door to door in America and deporting people perhaps it's time you go back to your comfortable nato mattress's in Ukraine. I might add you didn't even get that one, did you? It's what the Germans called lower class German girls who slept with GI's for financial gain.

Now enforcing the laws of the land that you can not come here and stay here illegally makes the people who enforce those laws a NAZI. One half of may family all fought in multiple major invasions fighting against the Nazis in WWII and the Other half against their Axis rat basthard buddies Imperial Japan and I come from a long line of patriotic men who fought in all of our major wars including fighting for the Union in the Civil war.

So cavalierly throwing around the NAZI slur against Mr. Trump the only Pro America candidate we have running not beholden to armies of Anti American lobbyists is a heinous liberal marxist feminist social justice warrior slur that exemplifies why Mr. Trump has become so popular with both Christians, Patriots and Patriotic Christian Soldiers who want to save America for legal Americans and those who come here LEGALLY.

The massive Red hHrring that we have to go door to door like "Nazi Storm Troopers" is so insulting to anyone with a modicum of knowledge about the US Workplace. I am an honorably discharged Nuclear Submarine Combat Systems hardware and software expert who now does Cyber Security Contracting. Each contract I go for I have to show a limited number of IDs that comply with the DHS E-Verify system - NO valid ID (US Passport, US Passport ID Card NOT expired and NO Phooking Contract and NO my federally issued DD214 Honorable Discharge Document is NOT acceptable ID for E-Verify).

So the first executive order is that anyone who knowingly hires any employee that can not be positively verified as a legal USA citizen or resident "Green Card" holder will be fined $100K USD or 1 year in prison or both per each offense.

All of a sudden you will see a giant traffic jam as all of the illegals get in their brand new trucks paid for in cash with all of their under the table earnings (Untaxed) or illegal drugs sales earnings (NO TAX) and wait impatiently to get back to their Latin American home countries - then we just have to deal with the hard core criminals who will not have it so easy hiding out in the open in massive communities of illegals they have used as a cover for their narco terroism and massive crime syndicates.

You will see heroin addiction plummet because the illegals will not be able to keep selling the deadly fentenyl laced heroin as it will be stopped at the border and no illegals to sell it on the streets of the USA.

The majority of illegals will leave voluntarily when they realize they can not find any work due to e-verify enforcement (It is the law of the lad - imagine that the USA rid of the criminal Obama anti American Traitors actually enforces federal law for illegals that Honorably Discharge Military Veterans MUST Comply with!!!) and the USA immigration program is then turned into one more like Canada where you are awarded points based upon your ability to contribute to the Canadian economy.... News Flash Narco Terrorist Drugs Dealers will get ZERO points and no chance of coming to the USA - then when we have the border under control we launch DEA/DoJ/DoD combined operations to take down the Latin American/Central America/South American drugs gangs the way we did in Columbia which is seeing its middle class growing again with one of the more free economies on the planet similar to Chile.

Welcome to the new International Law and Order USA and any one who does not like it - Get USED To It...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 21, 2015, 09:52:49 PM

Isn't Reuters a UK Company must mean they are fairly competent...

As the Brits love to say BRILLIANT:

Trump widens lead over U.S. Republican presidential field: Reuters poll
Reuters By Emily Stephenson
3 hours ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican Donald Trump is pulling away from the pack in the race for the party's U.S. presidential nomination, widening his lead over his closest rivals in the past week, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed on Friday.

Republican voters show no signs they are growing weary of the brash real estate mogul, who has dominated political headlines and the 17-strong Republican presidential field with his tough talk about immigration and insults directed at his political rivals. The candidates are vying to be nominated to represent their party in the November 2016 general election.

Nearly 32 percent of Republicans surveyed online said they backed Trump, up from 24 percent a week earlier, the opinion poll found. Trump had nearly double the support of his closest competitor, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, who got 16 percent. Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson was third at 8 percent.

Even when Trump was pitted directly in the poll against just his top two competitors, 44 percent backed him. Bush won about 29 percent of respondents, and Carson 25 percent.

"He's not taking any guff from anybody," Dewey Stedman, 70, a Republican from East Wenatchee, Washington, said of the publicity-loving billionaire. "If you don't have something in your brains, you're not going to have billions of dollars."

Trump has driven the debate on the campaign trail with a hard-line immigration plan that calls for the deportation of undocumented immigrants, amendment of the Constitution to end automatic citizenship for all people born in the United States, and construction of a wall along the border with Mexico.

He also has feuded with Bush and other rivals while boasting he could easily beat Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton.

Trump's campaign momentum has paid off with bigger crowds on the campaign trail. On Friday night, he moved a planned rally in Mobile, Alabama, to a football stadium seating more than 40,000.

"It is an appeal to people that are just aggravated about what's going on," Republican strategist Rich Galen said, adding that Trump is a "novelty act" that voters will tire of.

Friday's results in the online rolling opinion poll are based on a survey of 501 Republicans and have a credibility interval of plus or minus 5 percent.

Separate results found Clinton leading among Democrats, though support for her dipped below 50 percent to 48.5 percent.

U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont came in second in the poll of 625 Democrats, followed by Vice President Joe Biden, who has not entered the race. That survey had a credibility interval of plus or minus 4.5 percent.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 21, 2015, 10:00:40 PM

^^^ This Rich Galen is floating on a river of DENIAL. Better cash in his "Republican Strategist" Checks while his employers still have any money.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 22, 2015, 08:53:03 PM

Trump is not going away and he's not folding quickly like most thought he would. That includes you Shakespear.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/why-donald-trump-won%e2%80%99t-fold-polls-and-people-speak/ar-BBm06D7

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 22, 2015, 08:56:36 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 21, 2015, 06:52:53 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 21, 2015, 06:44:45 PM
Unless you are some sort of Nazi who wants storm troopers going door to door in America and deporting people

In Summary: deporting illegals = you are a nazi

above equation only holds if your brain is high on liberal juice!

Now you are trying to put words in my mouth. I've got nothing against deporting illegal aliens. However it's you who I presume might be happy with some Federal agents going door to door like Nazi's to do the job.

Up thread I posted that those who employ illegals should be charged a heavy fine. I also mentioned giving the chance to illegals to become legal guest workers and pay a fine. Six months in and six months back out. No amnesty.

I find my suggested methods more humane than what I suspect you might like. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 22, 2015, 09:26:06 PM

I used to be in favor of the Guest Workers programs until I found out how bad the real misery index is

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts 7% real inflation

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts real Obamunists unemployment 23%

Misery Index 7% plus 23% = 30%

Urban core 7% plus 40+% unemployment = 50%+ Misery Index...

Not only does Obama hate White People he hates his own people he Community Organized for for years I do not know who is the biger America hating Kleptocrat Obama or Hitlery...

Rudy Giuliani said she should be indicted on no less than 5 major Crimes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 22, 2015, 09:41:47 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 22, 2015, 09:26:06 PM

I used to be in favor of the Guest Workers programs until I found out how bad the real misery index is

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts 7% real inflation

http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts real Obamunists unemployment 23%

Misery Index 7% plus 23% = 30%

Urban core 7% plus 40+% unemployment = 50%+ Misery Index...

Not only does Obama hate White People he hates his own people he Community Organized for for years I do not know who is the biger America hating Kleptocrat Obama or Hitlery...

Rudy Giuliani said she should be indicted on no less than 5 major Crimes.

You voted for Obama,

"take what you want... and pay for it" -- Aristotle

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 22, 2015, 10:00:56 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 22, 2015, 09:41:47 PM

You voted for Obama,

"take what you want... and pay for it" -- Aristotle

I suspect a number present voted once for Obama. But I am confident that Trump will be like Giuliani, a footnote in political history, this time next year.

What is depressing is we might be left with a choice between another Bush and a carpet muncher in 12 months time. :sick0002:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 22, 2015, 10:05:08 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 22, 2015, 10:00:56 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 22, 2015, 09:41:47 PM
You voted for Obama,

"take what you want... and pay for it" -- Aristotle

I suspect a number present voted once for Obama.

The point is they order shit from the menu, and then complain it taste like shit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on August 23, 2015, 03:28:29 AM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 22, 2015, 10:05:08 PM

The point is they order shit from the menu, and then complain it taste like shit.

That is because they get to order between shit and piss and then think: Shit must be less bad.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 23, 2015, 04:12:29 AM

Quote from: Markje on August 23, 2015, 03:28:29 AM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 22, 2015, 10:05:08 PM

The point is they order shit from the menu, and then complain it taste like shit.
That is because they get to order between shit and piss and then think: Shit must be less bad.

A Dutch verb "even a donkey doesnt hits its head on the same stone twice"

Donkeys are considered stupid animals in folklore, going back to the same shit buffet,.., ..over and over..evena donkey wouldnt do that!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 23, 2015, 04:21:38 AM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 23, 2015, 04:12:29 AM

A Dutch verb "even a donkey doesnt hits its head on the same stone twice"

Ik ben een ongelooflijke eikel = I am an unbelievable acorn.*

I think JC was referring to himself as an eikel, the fruit (nut) of an oak tree. I doubt he knows how to use this item.

* An unusual sentence each word starts with a vowel.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 23, 2015, 04:27:51 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 23, 2015, 04:21:38 AM

Ik ben een ongelooflijke eikel = I am an unbelievable acorn.*

I think JC was referring to himself as an eikel, ".. the fruit (nut) of an oak tree..."

I never posted that, maybe you are confused with someone else as usual!

BTW: I have to correct a Dutch intellectual on his own language, "eikel" is Dutch for the top of your penis not a vegetative substance. You don even know your own insults. sad...

What i said was "een ezel in het algemeen stoot zijn hoofd niet tweemaal aan dezelfde steen"
"even a donkey doesnt hits its head on the same stone twice"

Dutch langauage is not that hard cmon)))

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 23, 2015, 07:18:21 AM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 22, 2015, 10:05:08 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 22, 2015, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: JeanClaude on August 22, 2015, 09:41:47 PM
You voted for Obama,

"take what you want... and pay for it" -- Aristotle

I suspect a number present voted once for Obama.

The point is they order shit from the menu, and then complain it taste like shit.

Well gloat as much as you want to but when Mitt Romney equated his and his son's 2 year Mormon missions in some of the most privileged areas of France to "Military Service" he insulted me and every man who every wore our nations military uniforms. No Religious activity approaches putting your life on the line for your country - there are no Mormons being burned at a stake like Joan of Arc but there are Christians being systematically burned out and beheaded or murdered across the Islamist world. When real heroic young American men are sacrificing their lives to defend the USA from Islamo Radicals cutting off the heads of Christians and crashing planes full of innocents into iconic USA buildings to spread short term terror and long term economic chaos - I concluded that Mitt Romney just did not get it - he as a founding partner of Bain Capital had no problem selling the US strategic manufacturing base to our economic adversaries the Chinese. He would be a weak on defense, anti America and anti veteran - Romney then went on to ideologically destroy the Bush coalitions that proved to be a winning strategy for Reagan, GHW Bush and GW Bush. Romney was a STUPID egomaniac cultist anti American who helped invent the concept of offshoring to the destruction of the US Middle Class and set back the GOP by 20 years. So it was the choice between the Hopey Changey liar and the Egomaniac Cultist - both who have proven to be entirely Anti America and Anti Americans in their actions and deeds if not their deceptive words.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 23, 2015, 07:29:05 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 23, 2015, 07:18:21 AM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 22, 2015, 10:05:08 PM
Quote from: AvHdB on August 22, 2015, 10:00:56 PM
Quote from: JeanClaude on August 22, 2015, 09:41:47 PM
You voted for Obama,

"take what you want... and pay for it" -- Aristotle

I suspect a number present voted once for Obama.

The point is they order shit from the menu, and then complain it taste like shit.

Well gloat as much as you want too but when Mitt Romney equated his and his son's 2 year Mormon missions in some of the most privileged areas of France to "Military Service" he insulted me and every man who every wore our nations military uniforms. No Religious activity approaches putting your life on the line for your country - there are no Mormons being burned at a stake like Joan of Arc but there are Christians being systematically burned out and beheaded or murdered across the Islamist world. When real heroic young American men are sacrificing their lives to defend the USA from Islamo Radicals cutting off the heads of Christians and crashing planes full of innocents into iconic USA buildings to spread short term terror and long term economic chaos - I concluded that Mitt Romney just did not get it - he as a founding partner of Bain Capital and had no problem selling the US strategic manufacturing base to our economic adversaries the Chinese, he would be a weak on defense, anti America and anti veteran - Romney then went on to ideologically destroy the Bush coalitions that proved to be a winning strategy for Reagan, GHW Bush and GW Bush. Romney was STUPID egomaniac cultist anti American who helped invent the concept of offshoring to the destruction of the US Middle Class and set back the GOP by 20 years. So it was the choice between the Hopey Changey liar and the Egomaniac Cultist - both who have proven to be entirely Anti America and Anti Americans in their actions and deeds if not their deceptive words.

wow, and what has this got to do with people thinking in 2008 Obama was like the second coming of Christ?. and consequently another American foreign policy :censored: up of apocalyptic proportions.

Have you seen the choas of Syrian refugees a the Hungarian border? this is like end-of-times biblical stuff.

Thanks for your service.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 23, 2015, 07:41:16 AM

JC for someone who's conservative views are not too dissimilar from mine you are like the sarcastic wino at the cafe bar slobbering all over the place and making a total Arse of your self with your in your face smugness and sarcasm and uncivil discourse..

There was no way as a Veteran I was voting for screw America first Romney.

I had hoped that Obama would actually try to reach across the aisle sort of like Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neil and work to build a stronger better America. Obama lied and did just the opposite and we have nearly a million more radical islamists immigrants to the USA under Obama whose communities are helping fund and manning ISIS.

Obama through his actions has unfortunately proven to be a White European America hating Jew hating Israel hating Iran loving radical islamist proponent.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 23, 2015, 07:46:27 AM

It really is time for an America loving Patriotic can do builder to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

Nuclear Submarine Veterans for TRUMP for President of the United States of America.

NBF - Nuke Boats Forever.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 23, 2015, 08:24:00 AM

CHANGE 2008
YES WE CAN 2012
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN 2016
...
Sponsering ~~ISIS~~ Syrian freedom fighters
wanting to bomb Assad. ("pulling a Lybia" on Syria)
Libian debacle
Iran getting a nuke
Ukraine meddling

its seems like endless exponential expansion of frackups..
I am getting a bit worried,...(especially the nuke thing)

Thank God Putin blocked regime change in Syria via the security council.
I cannot imagine, what kind of shit would there have been with ISIS controlling all of Syria and Iraque.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 23, 2015, 08:32:34 AM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 23, 2015, 08:24:00 AM

CHANGE 2008
YES WE CAN 2012
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN 2016
...
Sponsering ~~ISIS~~ Syrian freedom fighters
wanting to bomb Assad. ("pulling a Lybia" on Syria)
Libian debacle
Iran getting a nuke
Ukraine meddling

its seems like endless exponential expansion of frackups..
I am getting a bit worried,...(especially the nuke thing)

Thank God Putin blocked regime change in Syria via the security council.
I cannot imagine, what kind of shit would there have been with ISIS controlling all of Syria and Iraque.

Yes instead they only control 80% of it and are taking in $1 Million a day from captured oil wells running around in 2,700 US Humvees and $1Billion USD CASH abandoned by the ELITE Iraq Shia Mahdi Army.

LOL - In this case JC your sarcasm hits very close to home.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 23, 2015, 08:44:54 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 23, 2015, 08:32:34 AM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 23, 2015, 08:24:00 AM
CHANGE 2008
YES WE CAN 2012
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN 2016
...
Sponsering ~~ISIS~~ Syrian freedom fighters
wanting to bomb Assad. ("pulling a Lybia" on Syria)
Libian debacle
Iran getting a nuke
Ukraine meddling

its seems like endless exponential expansion of frackups..
I am getting a bit worried,...(especially the nuke thing)

Thank God Putin blocked regime change in Syria via the security council.
I cannot imagine, what kind of shit would there have been with ISIS controlling all of Syria and Iraque.

Yes instead they only control 80% of it and are taking in $1 Million a day from captured oil wells running around in 2,700 US Humvees and $1Billion USD CASH abandoned by the ELITE Iraq Shia Mahdi Army.

LOL - In this case JC your sarcasm hits very close to home.

I am changing allegiance to the Russians,.., yeah Putin is an asshole, but its a lot better then completely US incompetent leaders. That would be everybody since Reagan

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on August 23, 2015, 09:59:36 AM

Obama did what Europeans wanted. That is for America to go home from Iraq. We are not likely to come back in any kind of a big way. Maybe the Europeans want to go in there and take the oil wells back from ISIS. What Obama did was less then responsible but it was what much of the world wanted. When ISIS get it together a little more then they will attack Turkey. How is this a US problem???

We encouraged the Ukraine to be pro west. When there was a problem we pretty much left. We have a few trainers teaching them to shoot rifles. This is pretty much a Russian/European problem that Russia want to blame on the US. Guys the US is not going to get involved so learn to live with it.

Iran getting Nukes is something Russian has forced on us. We tired but Russia won. So you in Europe and Russia will need to learn to live with an nuclear Iran. It will likely lead to a nuclear middle east where all of Iran's neighbor countries will get nuclear weapons increasing the chance for a nuclear ISIS. We can all thank Putin for this.

Now if Russia gets its way Europeans will not have any protection against Iran nuclear missiles. He is strongly against deployment of a missile shield in Europe. Looks to me like Russia is trying to destroy Europe and then be able to blame someone else.

"This Libyan thing" was the French trying to solve a problem. I sure the world will much better when they solve all the worlds problems. Mean while the US is not going to try to fix it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on August 23, 2015, 10:26:53 AM

Since this is the US election political thread I'll post this here.

Has anyone seen this photo? and your thoughts? It was taken when Bill Clinton AKA 'The Walking Dead' bumped into B.O. at the golf course. This was a week back right after Hillary just had her servers seized by the FBI.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/B%20Clinton%20Walking%20Dead_zps7dze1afl.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 23, 2015, 10:32:01 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on August 23, 2015, 09:59:36 AM

Obama did what Europeans wanted.

wuuut? Euro liberals control Obama like a puppet? thats new!

Quote

We encouraged the Ukraine to be pro west.

Toppling governments is called "encouragement" these days?

Quote

Europeans will not have any protection against Iran nuclear missiles. He is strongly against deployment of a missile shield in Europe.

The missile shield in Poland is against mullahs having scuds?

I am not going to react to the rest,.., it seems the US lives in a parallel universe where accountability doesnt exist

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 23, 2015, 12:28:50 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 23, 2015, 08:44:54 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 23, 2015, 08:32:34 AM
Quote from: JeanClaude on August 23, 2015, 08:24:00 AM
CHANGE 2008
YES WE CAN 2012
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN 2016
...
Sponsering ~~ISIS~~ Syrian freedom fighters
wanting to bomb Assad. ("pulling a Lybia" on Syria)
Libian debacle
Iran getting a nuke
Ukraine meddling

its seems like endless exponential expansion of frackups..
I am getting a bit worried,...(especially the nuke thing)

Thank God Putin blocked regime change in Syria via the security council.
I cannot imagine, what kind of shit would there have been with ISIS controlling all of Syria and Iraque.

Yes instead they only control 80% of it and are taking in $1 Million a day from captured oil wells running around in 2,700 US Humvees and $1Billion USD CASH abandoned by the ELITE Iraq Shia Mahdi Army.

LOL - In this case JC your sarcasm hits very close to home.

I am changing allegiance to the Russians,.., yeah Putin is an asshole, but its a lot better then completely US incompetent leaders. That would be everybody since Reagan

LOL I hear you - that's why I and many other PATRIOTIC Americans are Voting for TRUMP now that it looks like he is running for all the right reasons - to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on August 23, 2015, 03:38:13 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 23, 2015, 10:32:01 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on August 23, 2015, 09:59:36 AM
Obama did what Europeans wanted.
wuuut? Euro liberals control Obama like a puppet? thats new!

Quote
We encouraged the Ukraine to be pro west.

Toppling governments is called "encouragement" these days?

Quote
Europeans will not have any protection against Iran nuclear missiles. He is strongly against deployment of a missile shield in Europe.

The missile shield in Poland is against mullahs having scuds?

I am not going to react to the rest,.., it seems the US lives in a parallel universe where accountability doesnt exist

You should see the latest Iran missiles. They are not scuds by a long shot. You way out of date.

Iran has one of the largest missile programs in the Middle East. It wants to export arms to its allies in the region and import anti-missile systems to prevent any possible attack by its arch-foe Israel.

"In our aerospace industry we have various ballistic missiles with different ranges under production," Defence Minister Hossein Dehghan said on Friday.

"We will continue this path with maximum power in line with our defensive needs and proportionate to threats ahead of us."

Fars news agency, which is close to the country's Revolutionary Guards, released a music video on Saturday praising Iran’s missile capabilities. It contained pictures of what the agency called a new and unknown missile of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC).

A senior IRGC commander said on Friday Iran would hold a large ballistic missile maneuver in the near future.

"Some wrongly think Iran has suspended its ballistic missile programs in the last two years and has made a deal on its missile program ... We will have a new ballistic missile test in the near future that will be a thorn in the eyes of our enemies," the commander of the aerospace division of the IRGC, Brigadier General Amirali Hajizadeh, said on Friday.

WE did not topple the government in the Ukraine. The right wing did the same ones who might topple the present government.

And Yes Obama is constantly out smarted by nearly every world leader. He takes a firm stand on nothing except his Obama care. European leader lead him around by the nose and they always have.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 23, 2015, 08:19:29 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on August 23, 2015, 03:38:13 PM

You should see the latest Iran missiles. They are not scuds by a long shot. You way out of date.

Iran has one of the largest missile programs in the Middle East. It wants to export arms to its allies in the region and import anti-missile systems to prevent any possible attack by its arch-foe Israel.

"In our aerospace industry we have various ballistic missiles with different ranges under production," Defence Minister Hossein Dehghan said on Friday.

"We will continue this path with maximum power in line with our defensive needs and proportionate to threats ahead of us."

Fars news agency, which is close to the country's Revolutionary Guards, released a music video on Saturday praising Iran’s missile capabilities. It contained pictures of what the agency called a new and unknown missile of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC).

A senior IRGC commander said on Friday Iran would hold a large ballistic missile maneuver in the near future.

"Some wrongly think Iran has suspended its ballistic missile programs in the last two years and has made a deal on its missile program ... We will have a new ballistic missile test in the near future that will be a thorn in the eyes of our enemies," the commander of the aerospace division of the IRGC, Brigadier General Amirali Hajizadeh, said on Friday.

WE did not topple the government in the Ukraine. The right wing did the same ones who might topple the present government.

And Yes Obama is constantly out smarted by nearly every world leader. He takes a firm stand on nothing except his Obama care. European leader lead him around by the nose and they always have.

Clearly not a physics major,.., it takes serious industrial 1st world involvement to launch shit into a suborbital arc (needed to hit Europa or anything important),.., a 3rd world shithole cannot do this despite what their army commanders claim.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 23, 2015, 08:20:39 PM

Quote from: Maxx on August 23, 2015, 10:26:53 AM

Since this is the US election political thread I'll post this here.

Has anyone seen this photo? and your thoughts? It was taken when Bill Clinton AKA 'The Walking Dead' bumped into B.O. at the golf course. This was a week back right after Hillary just had her servers seized by the FBI.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/B%20Clinton%20Walking%20Dead_zps7dze1afl.jpg)

My thoughts on this photo is that Bill Clinton knows his wife's ship is sinking and he was whining to Obama about it. Meanwhile Obama has instructed his new AG and the FBI to take Hillary Clinton down. She will be out of the race permanently if my haunch is correct within 30 to 60 days.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 01:48:19 PM

Shakespear good buddy you better look at this one. Seems Trump is getting advised by some very clever and astute Lawyers. I think he might be on to something. :popcorn:

excerpt
"If one wishes to fully understand the Constitution, one must also read what the Founders said and wrote regarding it. This is what is called original intent. By doing so, one can glean not only what they wrote but the motive behind it, which can be found in many letters the founders wrote to each other and, of course, the Federalist Papers. In short, go back to the source.

And Levin did just that. He writes that Senator Jacob Howard authored the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment. “He [Howard] told us what he meant. He defined who would fall within the jurisdiction of the United States.”

This is what Howard said: “Every person born within the limits of the United States, subject to their jurisdiction, [meaning the states – their jurisdiction] is, by virtue of natural law and national law, a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great issue in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.”

Senator Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, supported Howard, contending that “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” meant “not owing allegiance to anybody else…subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States.”

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/08/24/who-knew-trump-was-a-constitutional-scholar/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:20:51 PM

RNC desperate to get rid of Trump.

http://totalconservative.com/rnc-desperate-to-take-trump-down-says-former-adviser/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 24, 2015, 02:29:49 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 01:48:19 PM

Senator Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, supported Howard, contending that “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” meant “not owing allegiance to anybody else…subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States.”

{sigh} the problem with that theory is that the US Supreme Court ruled in USA vs Wong Kim Ark 169 US 649 (1898) that being born in the geographic USA, regardless of status of parents makes one a citizen. That has been the standard for 117 years.

Congress passed a law restricting citizenship by birth to those who had at least one parent as a citizen. The decision above declared that law unconstitutional. Read the actual Supreme Court decision. Replace the word "Chinese" for "Mexican" and it is 100% applicable to the situation today.

To change the status quo, one of two things have to happen:

1) Congress would have to pass a new immigration law removing natural birth citizenship. When that new law is challenged, and it would be, then the Supreme Court would have to issue a decision reversing their previous opinion. Do you think that with three women justices, arm in arm with Kennedy and Roberts, all marching in lock-step toward socialism that this is likely to happen? 0% chance.

2) Congress would have to pass a bill proposing a change to the 14th Amendment. It would have to pass by 2/3 majority in both branches of Congress. Then it would have to be affirmed by 3/4 of the individual state legislatures. Then the Supreme Court would be out of the picture.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:34:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 24, 2015, 02:29:49 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 01:48:19 PM
Senator Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, supported Howard, contending that “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” meant “not owing allegiance to anybody else…subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States.”

{sigh} the problem with that theory is that the US Supreme Court ruled in USA vs Wong Kim Ark 169 US 649 (1898) that being born in the geographic USA, regardless of status of parents makes one a citizen. That has been the standard for 117 years.

Congress passed a law restricting citizenship by birth to those who had at least one parent as a citizen. The decision above declared that law unconstitutional. Read the actual Supreme Court decision. Replace the word "Chinese" for "Mexican" and it is 100% applicable to the situation today.

To change the status quo, one of two things have to happen:

1) Congress would have to pass a new immigration law removing natural birth citizenship. When that new law is challenged, and it would be, then the Supreme Court would have to issue a decision reversing their previous opinion. Do you think that with three women justices, arm in arm with Kennedy and Roberts, all marching in lock-step toward socialism that this is likely to happen? 0% chance.

2) Congress would have to pass a bill proposing a change to the 14th Amendment. It would have to pass by 2/3 majority in both branches of Congress. Then it would have to be affirmed by 3/4 of the individual state legislatures. Then the Supreme Court would be out of the picture.

Or President Donald J. Trump can issue one of his first executive orders, which I am fairly certain that Border Protection and other Federal agencies will be happy to enforce. You don't seem to consider that what he wants to do resonates with the American people, especially those in Arizona and Texas.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 24, 2015, 02:35:19 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:20:51 PM

RNC desperate to get rid of Trump.

Trump will take himself out of the race once he is unable to control the news cycle with free journalistic coverage like he's doing now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:45:37 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 24, 2015, 02:35:19 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:20:51 PM
RNC desperate to get rid of Trump.

Trump will take himself out of the race once he is unable to control the news cycle with free journalistic coverage like he's doing now.

No he won't, you're dreaming. Denial is the first stage of grief. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 24, 2015, 02:45:49 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:34:28 PM

Or President Donald J. Trump can issue one of his first executive orders, which I am fairly certain that Border Protection and other Federal agencies will be happy to enforce. You don't seem to consider that what he wants to do resonates with the American people, especially those in Arizona and Texas.

{sigh} And then the lowest federal judge on the totem pole (you know, one of the many that were appointed when Harry Reid suspended the cloture rules in Nov 2013 before the Democrats lost control of the Senate) will declare the order unconstitutional and put a halt to it.

You know, kind of like Judge Andrew S. Hanen, of the Federal District Court for the Southern District of Texas did to the Obama Executive order for Immigration law modification.

Anteros my man, you really do need to educate yourself more about how the the political process here in the USA works.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:47:39 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 24, 2015, 02:45:49 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:34:28 PM
Or President Donald J. Trump can issue one of his first executive orders, which I am fairly certain that Border Protection and other Federal agencies will be happy to enforce. You don't seem to consider that what he wants to do resonates with the American people, especially those in Arizona and Texas.

{sigh} And then the lowest federal judge on the totem pole (you know, one of the many that were appointed when Harry Reid suspended the cloture rules in Nov 2013 before the Democrats lost control of the Senate) will declare the order unconstitutional and put a halt to it.

You know, kind of like Judge Andrew S. Hanen, of the Federal District Court for the Southern District of Texas did to the Obama Executive order for Immigration law modification.

Anteros my man, you really do need to educate yourself more about the political process here in the USA.

Maybe so, but I can sure tell why you like Jeb Bush. Boring! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:56:10 PM

Muslim Book Store
I was walking in the mall and saw a Muslim bookstore so being the
curious sort that I am I walked in.
I guessed I wasn't the typical store customer so the clerk came
up to me and asked "can I help you?"
So, I asked if he had Donald Trumps book on immigration for
illegals and Muslims and the guy yelled at me
"Get the :censored: out of here! and stay out!!"
I said, "Yeah that's the one, I want to give the paperback to my
father as a birthday present" :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 24, 2015, 03:01:57 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:47:39 PM

Maybe so, but I can sure tell why you like Jeb Bush. Boring! :chuckle:

What makes you think I like Jeb Bush? The only way I'd vote for him is if he was the only Republican left in the race.

I just don't entertain the fantasy that somehow by miracle, one man can wipe away the realities of our political system.

Unlike you, I just don't consider the political process an entertainment vehicle.

If I want to be entertained, I watch Shark Tank, The Big Bang Theory or Modern Family for my entertainment. No need to watch Trump abuse the US political system so he can expand his television brand name presence.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 03:15:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 24, 2015, 03:01:57 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:47:39 PM
Maybe so, but I can sure tell why you like Jeb Bush. Boring! :chuckle:

What makes you think I like Jeb Bush? The only way I'd vote for him is if he was the only Republican left in the race.

I just don't entertain the fantasy that somehow by miracle, one man can wipe away the realities of our political system.

Unlike you, I just don't consider the political process an entertainment vehicle.

If I want to be entertained, I watch Shark Tank, The Big Bang Theory or Modern Family for my entertainment. No need to watch Trump abuse the US political system so he can expand his television brand name presence.

All great shows especially Shark Tank. As far as Trump goes, maybe he is the real "hope and change"? You cannot fault people for dreaming and in this case it's a good dream. If there's another Great Depression let's say even worse in magnitude than what happened during the 1930's, don't you think that countries will take drastic measures to stay alive? I know what you are saying is technically correct, but if anyone could get away with successfully breaking the rules, I suspect Donald Trump is the man. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on August 24, 2015, 04:19:07 PM

Donald Trump on China.

Trump phoned in to the Fox & Friends morning talk show at 7:30 to get in a pre-emptive “I told you so.”

“I’m the one who says you’ve got to start uncoupling from China because China’s got problems. They have big problems, and they’re bringing us down,” Trump said, to the apparently unanimous agreement of the three hosts.

“I’ve been talking about China for years,” Trump said.

“Years,” Fox host Steve Doocy echoed, nodding his head in agreement.

“China’s going bad and it’s going to bring us down too because we’re so heavily coupled with China,” Trump added. “Look, we are being run by people who don’t have a clue, they don’t know what they’re doing, they’re totally incompetent. We’ve gotta stop.”

The rest is here.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/as-stocks-tank-trump-warns-china-could-bring-us-down/ar-BBm3esI?ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 24, 2015, 11:22:31 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:56:10 PM

and the guy yelled at me
"*Get the :censored: out of here! and stay out!!*"
I said, "Yeah that's the one, I want to give the paperback to my
father as a birthday present" :laugh:

he is right you know, It is his book store, so he can tell you to get out..

and America is your country....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 25, 2015, 03:35:46 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 24, 2015, 11:22:31 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:56:10 PM
and the guy yelled at me
"*Get the :censored: out of here! and stay out!!*"
I said, "Yeah that's the one, I want to give the paperback to my
father as a birthday present" :laugh:

he is right you know, It is his book store, so he can tell you to get out..

and America is your country....

I guess the joke went right over your head, didn't it. :king: :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 25, 2015, 03:49:23 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 25, 2015, 03:35:46 PM

I guess the joke went right over your head, didn't it. :king: :popcorn:

American english is not his native language.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on August 25, 2015, 03:51:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 25, 2015, 03:49:23 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 25, 2015, 03:35:46 PM
I guess the joke went right over your head, didn't it. :king: :popcorn:

American english is not his native language.

I can't even guess what his native language is, for someone in switzerland he sure quotes dutch newspapers a lot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 25, 2015, 03:53:53 PM

Quote from: Markje on August 25, 2015, 03:51:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 25, 2015, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: Anteros on August 25, 2015, 03:35:46 PM
I guess the joke went right over your head, didn't it. :king: :popcorn:

American english is not his native language.
I can't even guess what his native language is, for someone in switzerland he sure quotes dutch newspapers a lot.

Is JC a doppelganger for Av? :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 25, 2015, 06:10:54 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 25, 2015, 03:53:53 PM

Quote from: Markje on August 25, 2015, 03:51:12 PM
Quote from: shakespear on August 25, 2015, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: Anteros on August 25, 2015, 03:35:46 PM
I guess the joke went right over your head, didn't it. :king: :popcorn:

American english is not his native language.
I can't even guess what his native language is, for someone in switzerland he sure quotes dutch newspapers a lot.

Is JC a doppelganger for Av? :ROFL:

DROOM VERDER! JC is een eikel zonder perspectief of wijsheid. (Ik heb een beetje) :-X

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: el_guero on August 26, 2015, 12:16:17 AM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 24, 2015, 11:22:31 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:56:10 PM
and the guy yelled at me
"*Get the :censored: out of here! and stay out!!*"
I said, "Yeah that's the one, I want to give the paperback to my
father as a birthday present" :laugh:

he is right you know, It is his book store, so he can tell you to get out..

and America is your country....

JC,

He might write in 'English,' but he is not great at delivering punch lines.

It has become common here lately, they misunderstand comedic timing, hyperbole, and are clueless about sarcasm.

So much so, they fear offending the invaders, so they offend the natives.

And they wonder why natives are becoming restless? To borrow from Bob Hope - and I dare say, he delivered that line well, even if he would be considered a Bigoted White Man today. He was still one of my favorite Americans, EVEN if he was a Brit.

;)

Wayne

Wayne

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 01:33:02 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 25, 2015, 06:10:54 PM

DROOM VERDER! JC is een eikel zonder perspectief of wijsheid. (Ik heb een beetje) :-X

Translation, "JC is not an enlightened lefty pinktard intellectual like I am"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 01:35:17 AM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 01:38:58 AM

Quote from: Markje on August 25, 2015, 03:51:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 25, 2015, 03:49:23 PM
Quote from: Anteros on August 25, 2015, 03:35:46 PM
I guess the joke went right over your head, didn't it. :king: :popcorn:

American english is not his native language.
I can't even guess what his native language is, for someone in switzerland he sure quotes dutch newspapers a lot.

I spreek zeer goed Nederlands, gewoon opgepikt met het Duits dat ik leerde hier in Zurich, in vergelijking ,..., Nederlands is eigenlijk gewoon net als Duits maar dan zonder grammatica :ROFL:
Nederlandse politiek interresseert me inzover , het eignelijk wel het afvoerputje is van Europa.
Niet al te intelligent volk, haten success van de ander, stelletje omhooggevallen proleten eigenlijk.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 01:41:29 AM

Quote from: Anteros on August 25, 2015, 03:35:46 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 24, 2015, 11:22:31 PM
Quote from: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:56:10 PM
and the guy yelled at me
"*Get the :censored: out of here! and stay out!!*"
I said, "Yeah that's the one, I want to give the paperback to my
father as a birthday present" :laugh:

he is right you know, It is his book store, so he can tell you to get out..

and America is your country....

I guess the joke went right over your head, didn't it. :king: :popcorn:

that went over your head at Mach 6 :plane:

Let me spell it out:

he told you to leave because its his bookstore.
and you can tell him to leave, because its your country

pfff :Zzzzsleep:

You are a bit slow today, not doing so well

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 26, 2015, 01:50:46 AM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 01:38:58 AM

I spreek zeer goed Nederlands, gewoon opgepikt met het Duits dat ik leerde hier in Zurich, in vergelijking ,..., Nederlands is eigenlijk gewoon net als Duits maar dan zonder grammatica :ROFL:
Nederlandse politiek interresseert me inzover , het eignelijk wel het afvoerputje is van Europa.
Niet al te intelligent volk, haten success van de ander, stelletje omhooggevallen proleten eigenlijk.

JC, Thank you! You have just proven what an intolerant "eikel" you are. But post away it keeps the post count high for Manny. So you know your "Dutch" sounds like a farmer from South Africa with a tooth ache. Av

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 26, 2015, 03:02:14 AM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 01:38:58 AM

I spreek zeer goed Nederlands, gewoon opgepikt met het Duits dat ik leerde

For the good order it is "Ik spreek"

Since you made the most basic mistake in Dutch usage it leads credence to the thought that you are no who you claim to be.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on August 26, 2015, 08:18:52 AM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 01:33:02 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 25, 2015, 06:10:54 PM

DREAM ON! JC is a dickhead without perspective or wisdom (I have a little) :-X

Translation, "JC is not an enlightened lefty pinktard intellectual like I am"

Fixed that for you!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 26, 2015, 10:45:33 AM

Donald Trump tussles with Univision reporter at press event in Dubuque, Iowa.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/donald-trump-says-anchor-jorge-ramos-was-totally-absolutely-out-n416011

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 26, 2015, 10:51:43 AM

Alex Castellanos calls Trump a brilliant leader, a Unicorn or Haley's Comet...

excerpt
"He is not anything we’ve ever seen before. He is like a unicorn or Haley’s Comet – a rare thing that never comes by. He’s a Trump. So we really don’t know what he will be tomorrow..."

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/08/25/castellanos-trump-masterful-brilliant-leader/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 26, 2015, 02:01:08 PM

Unless Donald Trump eats live kittens tail first on TV, he's winning.

Trump Aug 25th, 40.1% vs July 31, 30.8%

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 26, 2015, 02:30:49 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 26, 2015, 02:01:08 PM

Trump Aug 25th, 40.1% vs July 31, 30.8%

In what poll?

Nationwide? No way.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 02:39:35 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 26, 2015, 01:50:46 AM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 01:38:58 AM
I spreek zeer goed Nederlands, gewoon opgepikt met het Duits dat ik leerde hier in Zurich, in vergelijking ,..., Nederlands is eigenlijk gewoon net als Duits maar dan zonder grammatica :ROFL:
Nederlandse politiek interresseert me inzover , het eignelijk wel het afvoerputje is van Europa.
Niet al te intelligent volk, haten success van de ander, stelletje omhooggevallen proleten eigenlijk.

JC, Thank you! You have just proven what an intolerant "eikel" you are. But post away it keeps the post count high for Manny. So you know your "Dutch" sounds like a farmer from South Africa with a tooth ache. Av

Its that the only word you know? "eikel" try to be more creative. My Dutch is a whole lot better then yours! Dat is nou vervelend he? Een Duitser die de taal een stuk beter beheerst dan jij! Maar vertel, na je vmbo/lts whatever, heb je de boederij verkocht en je dacht natuurlijk dat dat beetje geld je status gaf zodat jij je vieze ego kon aftrekken met je vlag? Je denkt dat je Landverrader mag spelen omdat je een nep-intellectueel bent (eentje die zich schaamt voor zijn boerenafkomst) , D66-blanke bent met een nep-aardappel in je keel. Triest

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 02:44:30 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 26, 2015, 03:02:14 AM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 01:38:58 AM

I spreek zeer goed Nederlands, gewoon opgepikt met het Duits dat ik leerde

For the good order it is "Ik spreek"

Since you made the most basic mistake in Dutch usage it leads credence to the thought that you are no who you claim to be.

Typo my friend, as there is no "i" in dutch. Gut-o-gut-o-gut. Moet je niet een van je moslimvriendjes aftrekken, of heb jij he quota voor sjarmasaus al gehad vandaag?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 02:46:54 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 26, 2015, 02:01:08 PM

Unless Donald Trump eats live kittens tail first on TV, he's winning.

Trump Aug 25th, 40.1% vs July 31, 30.8%

I think Megan Kelly is getting fired,.., she took a 7 day unpaid leave... and Donald Trump is all over the place calling her a "Blond Bimbo" and asking her resignation.

Not good having a future president hating your guts.
Megan was just to eager wanting to play henchmen.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 26, 2015, 02:53:26 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 26, 2015, 02:30:49 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 26, 2015, 02:01:08 PM
Trump Aug 25th, 40.1% vs July 31, 30.8%

In what poll?

Nationwide? No way.

LOL I make my living on data accuracy and vetting sources and vendors to cut out the steamy stinky stomping bull puckies...

Close only counts in Horseshoes and H-Bombs... There is no one even close to being close to the Tell Jorge Ramos to get out (of the USA?) Trumpster. Trump makes Chris Christie look like a Choir Boy.

http://therightscoop.com/new-national-poll-donald-trump-has-bigger-lead-ever-with-carson-a-distant-2nd/

New National Poll: Donald Trump has BIGGEST LEAD EVER with Carson a distant 2nd…
Posted by The Right Scoop on Aug 25, 2015 at 2:37 PM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 26, 2015, 02:57:08 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 02:46:54 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 26, 2015, 02:01:08 PM
Unless Donald Trump eats live kittens tail first on TV, he's winning.

Trump Aug 25th, 40.1% vs July 31, 30.8%

I think Megan Kelly is getting fired,.., she took a 7 day unpaid leave... and Donald Trump is all over the place calling her a "Blond Bimbo" and asking her resignation.

Not good having a future president hating your guts.
Megan was just to eager wanting to play henchmen.

The visual of Trump sitting across from the ambushing back stabbing bitch babe Kelly and telling her "YOU'RE FIRED" gave me some serious wood.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 26, 2015, 05:26:17 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 01:41:29 AM

Quote from: Anteros on August 25, 2015, 03:35:46 PM
Quote from: JeanClaude on August 24, 2015, 11:22:31 PM
Quote from: Anteros on August 24, 2015, 02:56:10 PM
and the guy yelled at me
"*Get the :censored: out of here! and stay out!!*"
I said, "Yeah that's the one, I want to give the paperback to my
father as a birthday present" :laugh:

he is right you know, It is his book store, so he can tell you to get out..

and America is your country....

I guess the joke went right over your head, didn't it. :king: :popcorn:
that went over your head at Mach 6 :plane:

An airplane with a propeller is a good symbol for you. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 27, 2015, 01:17:09 AM

Quote from: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 02:39:35 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 26, 2015, 01:50:46 AM
Quote from: JeanClaude on August 26, 2015, 01:38:58 AM
I spreek zeer goed Nederlands, gewoon opgepikt met het Duits dat ik leerde hier in Zurich, in vergelijking ,..., Nederlands is eigenlijk gewoon net als Duits maar dan zonder grammatica :ROFL:
Nederlandse politiek interresseert me inzover , het eignelijk wel het afvoerputje is van Europa.
Niet al te intelligent volk, haten success van de ander, stelletje omhooggevallen proleten eigenlijk.

JC, Thank you! You have just proven what an intolerant "eikel" you are. But post away it keeps the post count high for Manny. So you know your "Dutch" sounds like a farmer from South Africa with a tooth ache. Av

Its that the only word you know? "eikel" try to be more creative. My Dutch is a whole lot better then yours! Dat is nou vervelend he? Een Duitser die de taal een stuk beter beheerst dan jij! Maar vertel, na je vmbo/lts whatever, heb je de boederij verkocht en je dacht natuurlijk dat dat beetje geld je status gaf zodat jij je vieze ego kon aftrekken met je vlag? Je denkt dat je Landverrader mag spelen omdat je een nep-intellectueel bent (eentje die zich schaamt voor zijn boerenafkomst) , D66-blanke bent met een nep-aardappel in je keel. Triest

De kleine eikel JC "Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." Samuel Clemens

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 27, 2015, 10:35:24 AM

Back on topic Donald Trump continues to lead the polls and gain on Clinton.

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-lead-grows-clinton-slips-poll-135509111.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 27, 2015, 03:29:34 PM

Quote from: Anteros on August 27, 2015, 10:35:24 AM

Back on topic Donald Trump continues to lead the polls and gain on Clinton.

David Duke just endorsed him.

Great :sick0012:

Just what we need to recapture the White House, a candidate supported by the wing nut radical right.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 27, 2015, 08:23:40 PM

And the La Raza (The RACE) Reconquistadores endorsed Obama and Hitlery... with 45 Million illegals in the USA sucking up social welfare benefits I consider a racist hispanic group ironically called "The RACE" to be far more of a domestic threat than a doddering old Grand Dragon living in Ukraine as a visiting professor.

Smearing Mr. Trump with David Duke while ignoring the Obamunists and Hitlery's support of LA RAZA funded by Sinaloa type cartels and the billionaire owners of Univision are a far more dangerous organization hostile to American culture is really shocking.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on August 27, 2015, 08:29:59 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 27, 2015, 08:23:40 PM

with 45 Million illegals in the USA sucking up social welfare benefits

Am curious what your source is on that #?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on August 27, 2015, 09:00:02 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 27, 2015, 08:23:40 PM

And the La Raza (The RACE) Reconquistadores endorsed Obama and Hitlery... with 45 Million illegals in the USA sucking up social welfare benefits I consider a racist hispanic group ironically called "The RACE" to be far more of a domestic threat than a doddering old Grand Dragon living in Ukraine as a visiting professor.

Smearing Mr. Trump with David Duke while ignoring the Obamunists and Hitlery's support of LA RAZA funded by Sinaloa type cartels and the billionaire owners of Univision are a far more dangerous organization hostile to American culture is really shocking.

Obviously Trump does not want or need an "endorsement" from Duke. But what you pointed out is the usual two-faced double standards or "liberals". When you really get to know some Mexicans you will realize how racist they can be, and La Raza is the standard bearer of their type of propaganda. As usual whites are supposed to dislike themselves but embrace other races, who do not embrace us in return.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on August 27, 2015, 09:00:35 PM

Quote from: tfcrew on August 27, 2015, 08:29:59 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 27, 2015, 08:23:40 PM
with 45 Million illegals in the USA sucking up social welfare benefits

Am curious what your source is on that #?

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/22/ann-coulters-hit-new-book-tackles-americas-immigration-crisis/

Ann Coulter has done extensive research for her new book and in numerous recent interviews estimates that the Obamunists and Hitlery will have allowed over 45 Million illegal immigrants ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on August 27, 2015, 09:27:35 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on August 27, 2015, 09:00:35 PM

Ann Coulter has done extensive research for her new book and in numerous recent interviews estimates that the Obamunists and Hitlery will have allowed over 45 Million illegal immigrants ...

I guess nobody knows how many illegals are here.
You hear about 'Sanctuary Cities".
I must live in the tabernacle of them all.
(http://www.compassion.com/Images/Mexico-family-outside-home.jpg)
There are vehicles parked on both sides of my street and it's a pisser just to leave the house and drive down past them with oncoming bearing down.
It's getting worse.
I don't know about welfare benefits, but I understand the maternity lines to Dallas Parkland Hospital are wrapped around the block.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 13, 2015, 08:49:32 AM

Trump's numbers are high, and he is enjoying insulting whomever he wants.
But when he's asked to answer questions about international affairs, he shows a lack of knowledge, and often can be quite clueless.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/11/donald-trump-says-ukraine-crisis-reflects-obamas-weakness/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on September 13, 2015, 02:12:46 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 13, 2015, 08:49:32 AM

Trump's numbers are high, and he is enjoying insulting whomever he wants.
But when he's asked to answer questions about international affairs, he shows a lack of knowledge, and often can be quite clueless.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/11/donald-trump-says-ukraine-crisis-reflects-obamas-weakness/

He can afford to hire somebody who has a clue and he's better at ascertaining who has a clue than Obama ever was. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 14, 2015, 03:23:43 PM

Miss Alabama N A I L S it last night !!!!!!

http://twitchy.com/2015/09/13/miss-alabama-i-think-the-republican-party-should-be-terrified-of-donald-trump-video-missamerica/

Well, at least Trump won't be able to criticize her physical appearance. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on September 14, 2015, 04:21:16 PM

Trumps poll numbers keep going higher and higher. Want to just send me the money now, Skakey? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 16, 2015, 07:13:27 PM

Quote from: Anteros on September 14, 2015, 04:21:16 PM

Trumps poll numbers keep going higher and higher. Want to just send me the money now, Skakey? :laugh:

Everybody turn on CNN right now.

Trump is absolutely getting his ass kicked in the debate tonight.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 16, 2015, 09:51:04 PM

My take on the debate:

1) Trump got killed in the first hour. Fiorina harpooned him good about the "look at that face" comment. It was the biggest burn of the entire debate.

2) Fiorina looked really good. Others that looked good were Christie, Bush, Cruz and Walker.

3) Carson had a below average performance.

4) the others were non-factors

The format was very good and the moderators did a good job. There was a lot of interaction between the candidates and the mods encouraged this. Good job. It was three hours; a bit long.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on September 17, 2015, 12:11:17 AM

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/yale-profe...57030.html

Yale professor on Carly Fiorina's business record: She 'destroyed half the wealth of her investors yet still earned almost $100 million' - and Trump mentioned that HP announced today that they are laying off another 25,000 to 30,000 Americans jobs which a friend at HP tells me are being shipped to India and China to get Obama tax breaks.

I do not agree that Trump was soft - he actually called out Fiorina on the above article and she tried to fluff it off as the Professor is a Pro Hitlery academic.

Trump also did not apologize to Jebs wife (Alpha response to a beta) he also quoted Jeb's own words "I believe that immigration is not illegal it is an act of love!" Then trapped Bush into why is he speaking to crowds in Spanish if he is running for President of the USA - I predict that Trump continues to consolidate his substantial lead.

Trump after the debate was cordial to Carli who was definitely treated to a wide array of softballs from CNN as part of their pro Hitlery plan to paint Trump in a negative light - she pulled her hand away and brushed Mr. Trump off - classless bitch.

Got to love Coulter for criticizing the knee jerk GOP support for Israel and her book Adios America is well researched and indicated Trump just needs the white working class vote to win - take a page out of Reagan's book and create a new generation of Reagan Democrats - young working class men and women who can't find decent paying jobs under mountains of Obama supported student debt.

I makes me laugh how females like Fiorina posture to be strong on defense war hawks yet in SJW Marxist Feminist America women en masse are NOT required to sign up for selective service - yet men are or risk a $250,000 fine and are not allowed to apply for student loans which under Obama is another law among many that the Hate America first Obamunists never enforce.

I was a bit surprised that only one candidate (so many I forget who) mentioned mandatory e-verify as a very cost effective solution to illegals. On every contract I apply for I have to supply valid DHS acceptable ID to prove I am a citizen - a couple years ago I had an expired passport - still proof of citizenship to vote - but DHS did not accept it because it was "expired" - fortunately I had an old VA ID with my SSN on it that does not expire and it was accepted as a federal government issued ID even though the VA told me to tear up the old card to protect against identity theft! First paycheck on the contract I bought a new passport and passport ID card so that this would never be a problem again with DHS and the e-verify system. E-Verify is free for employers to use and you must submit a valid ID and your real SSN card (I had lost mine and used my VA card again) to get a new SocSec Card and now keep my passport and SSN card in my firesafe to get a contracts.

It pisses me off to no end that I as an honorably discharged military veteran natural born citizen to American Parents and a veteran father who served on diesel boats in WWII and Korea - that I have to prove my citizenship under the E-Verify law yet the Obamunists fail to enforce said same law for illegals and want all the states to issue illegals a drivers license so that they have a valid acceptable E-Verify ID - and want to support amnestia instead.

Point is make it mandatory for all employers and fake SSNs will be flagged on the spot and NO ID no work and no eat as an illegal and they will beat feet back to wherever. That and a Fingerprint Tracking system for visa over-stayers and the law enforcement burden on rounding up illegals and visa over-stayers becomes much more manageable.

Then I believe that Rubio backed Trump on the 14th amendment auto birthright citizen ship saying that the US system of allowing in relatives is crazy no other major western nation does this until the ISIS invasion of military aged radical islamist that is happening now. Even Canada has a merit points system for immigration to Canada with no auto immigration for relatives.

Rubio and Bush are both on record for comprehensive immigration reform which is a euphamism for Amnesty and then each illegal brings in 4 relatives and we have 50 Million anti Americans in the USA and we think that the EU has a problem with pro ISIS sympaticos invading Europe.... Europe is screwed and will see these men bring in mail order Muslim brides and then have 4 wives each and 5 kids per wife all on the European dole and the invasion of Europe by Saudi supported ISIS is a "fait accompli".

With Trump it will become a merit based system like Canada and there will be no more Asian or Latin American birth certificate immigration or tourism. Trump reinforced again that no one would be talking about immigration if he did not take the lead and the liberal media and Univision hate heat and that solving this problem will save $200 Billion a year in illegal immigrant welfare, medical and education expenses. Of course the CNN Obamunists insisted on referring to them as Undocumented Citizens - CNN Sux Marxist Moosemeat.

Of course CNN are liberal pro Hillaryites and will do whatever they can to tear down Trump and the GOP.

The Oct 13th CNN Democratic Debate will be a liberal Democrat lovefest softball tournament. Will be interesting to see how they "feel the Bern".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on September 17, 2015, 12:33:00 PM

The Real Reason why Jeb (Yeb) Bush will lose the GOP Primary AND the Election if nominated due to mass amnesia among all GOP and Reagan Democrats and Independents:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/07/17/the-measure-of-a-man-by-the-women-he-keeps/

Have a hot Russian or FSUW wife - count yourself as an Alpha - you could have pulled a Yeb instead!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 17, 2015, 01:14:40 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on September 17, 2015, 12:33:00 PM

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/07/17/the-measure-of-a-man-by-the-women-he-keeps/

Cuffy, that has to be one of the most ridiculous, insulting, belittling articles I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

You're too well educated to tell me you actually believe that crap?

I think (and I'm sure most here will agree) a 40+ year marriage tells more about the quality of a woman rather than her personal appearance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on September 17, 2015, 02:56:02 PM

Cufflinks,

That "Yale Professor" is an ardent Hillary Clinton supporter. You can ignore that article as nothing more than character slam on Carly Fiorina, or you can believe everything the Clinton's paid for to be published as propaganda in their favor.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on September 17, 2015, 03:00:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 16, 2015, 09:51:04 PM

My take on the debate:

1) Trump got killed in the first hour. Fiorina harpooned him good about the "look at that face" comment. It was the biggest burn of the entire debate.

2) Fiorina looked really good. Others that looked good were Christie, Bush, Cruz and Walker.

3) Carson had a below average performance.

4) the others were non-factors

The format was very good and the moderators did a good job. There was a lot of interaction between the candidates and the mods encouraged this. Good job. It was three hours; a bit long.

I think you're delusional because you can't believe that you might lose the bet. Trump did far better than Scott Walker who barely still registers. Ben Carson is still a top contender so I have no clue how you came to that conclusion. The people who like Dr. Carson don't care that he's low key, in fact it's one reason why they like him.

I'm going to make a statement of my opinion of the final two: Trump/Carson. Now that would be a fantastic ticket. For once in the history of a Presidential race we would get a very large percentage of black voters voting for a Republican! :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on September 17, 2015, 03:02:18 PM

From the link in reply 375
Did you the hippies?

(https://i1.wp.com/media.salon.com/2012/08/bill_hillary_rect.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on September 17, 2015, 03:13:20 PM

Quote from: tfcrew on September 17, 2015, 03:02:18 PM

From the link in reply 375
Did you the hippies?

(https://i1.wp.com/media.salon.com/2012/08/bill_hillary_rect.jpg)

Where's that time machine and a very large Mack truck when I need it? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 17, 2015, 03:20:50 PM

Quote from: Anteros on September 17, 2015, 03:00:02 PM

I think you're delusional because you can't believe that you might lose the bet. Trump did far better than Scott Walker who barely still registers. Ben Carson is still a top contender so I have no clue how you came to that conclusion. The people who like Dr. Carson don't care that he's low key, in fact it's one reason why they like him.

I'm not worried about losing a bet to you. Each time my thoroughbred horse runs, I head to the betting window and risk far more than my current exposure to you. That said, I'm still quite confident that in the end, it will be you sending me $10.

Did you even watch the debate? In the first hour it was 10 against 1 and the 10 definitely scored major points. The cut below shows the harpoon being thrust right into the heart of Trump by Fiorina in regards to the women's vote and Trump's sexist and condescending response poured oil on the burning fire:

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/carly-fiorina-takes-donald-trump-task-face-faux-pas

That's after she COMPLETELY GIGGED him about his FOUR corporate bankruptcies.

The format of the debate did not suit Carson's style and therefore I'm sure he will lose ground in the next polls.

There is no possible way a neutral observer could otherwise conclude that Fiorina was the winner on the night. Rubio was probably the next best.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 17, 2015, 03:40:08 PM

Quote from: Anteros on September 17, 2015, 03:00:02 PM

I'm going to make a statement of my opinion of the final two: Trump/Carson. Now that would be a fantastic ticket. For once in the history of a Presidential race we would get a very large percentage of black voters voting for a Republican!

You think most inner-city blacks relate to a guy like Ben Carson? I'd say most consider him a type of "Uncle Tom" and will certainly not be compelled to vote for him.

I think the key to selecting a VP will be who can deliver a key swing state in the election. You'd have to give Kasich, Rubio and Walker (in that order) high marks in that department.

If Fiorina can show that she can deliver a high percentage of the women vote she might also be selected VP on that basis. She's certainly not the bimbo that Sarah Palin turned out to be.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 17, 2015, 05:10:25 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 17, 2015, 03:20:50 PM

That's after she COMPLETELY GIGGED him about his FOUR corporate bankruptcies.

In fact if you add in Eastern Airlines, where McDonald tried to rape the retirement funds and the yacht builder he has six under his belt. There is a quote supposedly made to Marla Maples that McDonald and Marla were walking and they passed some one busking, he looked into the thrown monies and said well that is twice my net worth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on September 17, 2015, 09:11:25 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 17, 2015, 03:40:08 PM

Quote from: Anteros on September 17, 2015, 03:00:02 PM
I'm going to make a statement of my opinion of the final two: Trump/Carson. Now that would be a fantastic ticket. For once in the history of a Presidential race we would get a very large percentage of black voters voting for a Republican!

You think most inner-city blacks relate to a guy like Ben Carson? I'd say most consider him a type of "Uncle Tom" and will certainly not be compelled to vote for him.

I think the key to selecting a VP will be who can deliver a key swing state in the election. You'd have to give Kasich, Rubio and Walker (in that order) high marks in that department.

If Fiorina can show that she can deliver a high percentage of the women vote she might also be selected VP on that basis. She's certainly not the bimbo that Sarah Palin turned out to be.

Yes, I absolutely think that Ben Carson can deliver the black vote. Notice I said the black vote. Inner-city blacks generally do not vote. He did visit Ferguson recently, and he has far more credibility with blacks then you are giving him credit for.

I agree with your depiction of Carly Fiorina. Sarah Palin she is not. She would be a formidable debater against any possible Democratic challenger, IMO.

I completely disagree with your claim that Trump lost the debate. He did fine and in fact I suspect he will continue his rise in the polls, based on the packed town hall meeting he just had in New Hampshire. You simply do not give him enough credit and that's fine with me as I'm the one who's going to be collecting $300.00. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on September 18, 2015, 07:13:18 AM

Quote from: shakespear on September 17, 2015, 01:14:40 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on September 17, 2015, 12:33:00 PM
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/07/17/the-measure-of-a-man-by-the-women-he-keeps/

Cuffy, that has to be one of the most ridiculous, insulting, belittling articles I have ever had the displeasure of reading.

You're too well educated to tell me you actually believe that crap?

I think (and I'm sure most here will agree) a 40+ year marriage tells more about the quality of a woman rather than her personal appearance.

So says the neomasculine Alpha Marine Officer that seizes the ultra feminine FSUW women of his former adversaries for his own. RESPECT your ultra game.

The fact that Yeb Boosh married an illegal alien at the time, speaks spanglish in his household and calls "illegal immigration an act of love" who is 100% pro amnesty for all illegals (along with Marco Soft as a Grape Rubio) and visa over-stayers makes him a sheep in wolves clothing and a liberal bleeding heart democrat masquerading as a rino republican cuckservative who has no backbone to stand up to the insane liberal pro Latin Drugs Narco Terrorists or ISIS terrorists immigration migrant invasions of the USA or EU respectively..

No wonder under the Obamunists we have 300 sanctuary cities - the Florida Sunshine Rino republicans Yeb Boosh and Marco Rubio pro La Raza reconquistas actually support Obama 100%.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 18, 2015, 07:47:23 AM

Sadly, cufflinks actually believes the juvenile crap he posts - I am pretty sure of that.
Posts and links like his, above, give us the measure of the man, and the measure does not require a long ruler. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on September 18, 2015, 11:42:50 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 18, 2015, 07:47:23 AM

Sadly, cufflinks actually believes the juvenile crap he posts - I am pretty sure of that.

Do you have anything to say about the title of the thread or are you just trolling as usual?

We all know that you believe the juvenile crap you post as well but most got tired of it and left this site. :-X

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on September 18, 2015, 11:46:38 AM

Quote from: shakespear on September 17, 2015, 03:20:50 PM

Quote from: Anteros on September 17, 2015, 03:00:02 PM

I think you're delusional because you can't believe that you might lose the bet. Trump did far better than Scott Walker who barely still registers. Ben Carson is still a top contender so I have no clue how you came to that conclusion. The people who like Dr. Carson don't care that he's low key, in fact it's one reason why they like him.

I'm not worried about losing a bet to you. Each time my thoroughbred horse runs, I head to the betting window and risk far more than my current exposure to you. That said, I'm still quite confident that in the end, it will be you sending me $10.

Did you even watch the debate? In the first hour it was 10 against 1 and the 10 definitely scored major points. The cut below shows the harpoon being thrust right into the heart of Trump by Fiorina in regards to the women's vote and Trump's sexist and condescending response poured oil on the burning fire:

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/carly-fiorina-takes-donald-trump-task-face-faux-pas

That's after she COMPLETELY GIGGED him about his FOUR corporate bankruptcies.

The format of the debate did not suit Carson's style and therefore I'm sure he will lose ground in the next polls.

There is no possible way a neutral observer could otherwise conclude that Fiorina was the winner on the night. Rubio was probably the next best.

The Drudge Report and Newsmax both have Trump winning by a wide margin. I'm not sure what debate you watched but apparently you are misinformed. IIRC Time magazine also had Trump winning.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/over-500000-votes-are-in-heres-who-they-say-dominated-the-debate-and-who-easily-took-2nd/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 18, 2015, 12:06:41 PM

Quote from: Anteros on September 18, 2015, 11:46:38 AM

The Drudge Report and Newsmax both have Trump winning by a wide margin. I'm not sure what debate you watched but apparently you are misinformed. IIRC Time magazine also had Trump winning.

{sigh} Did you read the fine print? The part about NONE of these polls being scientific and that respondents could vote more than once? Zero credibility. I actually WATCHED all 3+ hours of the debate. In the first hour, Trump got SLAUGHTERED. In the second hour, when asked for specifics on exactly how he'd implement his plans, his answers were almost embarrassing.

Here's a more balanced observation about the Trump campaign:
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/donald-trumps-bad-week-speculation-of-waning-129358655626.html

If the Republican low information extreme right is so stupid as to ignore what their eyes see and their ears hear, then we as a country deserve a Democrat President in 2016.

I think Trump's support has pretty much peaked. Atom bombs remain to be dropped. They just lightly touched upon his 4 bankruptcies in the debate on Wednesday and they haven't even started on ridiculing Trump for is totally moronic assertions and leadership role in the "Obama birther movement". The guy is an ass-clown.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 18, 2015, 05:35:23 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on September 18, 2015, 07:13:18 AM

The fact that Yeb Boosh married an illegal alien at the time, speaks spanglish in his household and calls "illegal immigration an act of love" who is 100% pro amnesty for all illegals (along with Marco Soft as a Grape Rubio) and visa over-stayers makes him a sheep in wolves clothing and a liberal bleeding heart democrat masquerading as a rino republican cuckservative who has no backbone . . .

:ROFL: :ROFL:

The White House has had a non-English (first language) speaker before. It will survive if it happens again.

With the exception of Paul I find the entire 9 dwarfs depressing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 18, 2015, 11:58:37 PM

anteros:

Here is a very accurate and concise evaluation of the debate from a "neutral" source - if you care . . . . . . . .

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2015/09/17/second-debate-grades-carly-fiorina-soars-jeb-bush-tanks/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 21, 2015, 06:03:31 PM

8 point drop in the polls for Trump since the debate.

The beginning of the end has started . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on September 21, 2015, 08:12:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 21, 2015, 06:03:31 PM

8 point drop in the polls for Trump since the debate.

The beginning of the end has started . . . . . . . . . . .

Carly took them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 23, 2015, 02:20:18 PM

Neither Anteros nor Cuffy have done much "Trump gloating" in the past week.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 23, 2015, 06:54:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 23, 2015, 02:20:18 PM

Neither Anteros nor Cuffy have done much "Trump gloating" in the past week.

Praise the Lord!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on September 23, 2015, 10:39:42 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 23, 2015, 02:20:18 PM

Neither Anteros nor Cuffy have done much "Trump gloating" in the past week.

It's still very early my friend, however if you're asking about my confidence in my bet, it's still very high.

Trump is still in 1st place. My choice for VP is in 2nd place.

Your guy Walker dropped out of the race. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on September 24, 2015, 10:17:09 AM

Quote from: shakespear on September 23, 2015, 02:20:18 PM

Neither Anteros nor Cuffy have done much "Trump gloating" in the past week.

Been busy with Cyber Security contract work... and ward and city coordinator for Mr. Trump

Here's a little more information on Fiorina - woman is basically a feminist Obamunist social justice warrior sheep in RINO wolves clothing .......In September of 2010, she repeated the left's fraudulent "consensus of experts" fallacy on global warming. She also refused to take a stand against one of California's most extreme job-killing environmental measures, endorsed man-made global warming in 2014, and supported the left's economically-suicidal "Cap-and-Trade" insanity in 2008.
-In September of 2010, she supported the Dream Act (amnesty for children of illegal immigrants). She avoids the question on overall amnesty, and in May of 2010, smeared those seeking to enforce our laws as racists.
-In 2010, she praised Obama's "Race to the Top" program as well as "No Child Left Behind." And in 1989, she wrote this in her doctoral dissertation for the Massachusetts Institute of Technology:
"Where I began as a proponent of 'States' Rights' in education, I have ended by believing that we will never meet our own expectations of public education unless the federal government is willing to play a consistent, long-term role; unless education truly becomes a matter of national policy, not just a matter of national rhetoric."
-In 2003, she said, "In the past 40 years, there are very few people who have used their talent along lines of excellence to achieve more things for more people in more places than Reverend Jackson. And we are all better off for his leadership." She has an extensive record of praising and supporting this sleazy shakedown artist and his bogus, race-baiting extortion schemes.
-In April of 2010, she said that Roe vs. Wade was a "settled issue," and confirmed that she would not rule out a Supreme Court nominee over their position on abortion. Republicans closest to her describe her as "pro-choice."
-In August of 2010, she stated that she supports allowing homosexuals in the military. She opposes a constitutional amendment to reverse the Supreme Court's blatantly illegal invention of federal marriage rights for homosexuals (at the expense of actual constitutional rights like state sovereignty and free religious exercise).
-In May of 2014 and February of 2015, she perpetuated the left's debunked myth of women getting paid less than men for the same work. She also routinely promotes her gender as a reason to vote for her.
-In 2008, she was John McCain's economic adviser as he supported the TARP bailout, the auto bailout, a mortgage bailout, and the the AIG bailout. She is also on the record supporting the bank bailouts before she was against them.
-In April of 2009, she supported Obama's stimulus program, before she was against it.
-In November of 2009, she stated that she would have voted to confirm racist, anti-gun gender fanatic Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court.
-In 2000, she supported an Internet sales tax, before she was against it.
-In January of 2010, she revealed her radical feminist intolerance for equal opportunity: "I like to remind people that women are not a constituency ― women are a majority. Women are the majority of voters and we will never have a truly representative democracy unless women make up half, at least, of our elected representatives."
-In 2010, she was endorsed by the PAC of far left RINO John McCain.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on September 24, 2015, 10:21:27 AM

Also...

New CNN poll puts fiorina in second place with Trump "slipping".
Trump- 24%

:censored: ly Fiorina- 15%

How does CNN conduct its polling? 10 fags in a room vote?

It's always about how they determine "likely voters." Again, Trump will be getting the "unlikely voters," which is why all of these polls miss the big picture. Add another 20% to anything the mainstream reports about Trump and you'll get the real picture. tiphat :thumbsup: :smokin: :biggrin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on September 25, 2015, 10:27:29 AM

New Hampshire first in the nation real primary by secret vote (As in not the iowa arm twisting caucuses in corners of rooms).

GOP;
Trump: 26% Trump is the only Jobs candidate strong on immigration and deportation, Fiorina is an SJW and the rest are pro amnesty.
Fiorina: 16% Pro Amnesty SJW Marxist Socialist in RINO costume
Carson: 9% Wishy Washy on amnesty and immigracion
Jeb: 8% Immigration is an act of love - sounds just like Pope Francis - soft as grapes
Rubio: 7% Rubio is as pro amnestia as possible seems to be running for Vatican Ambassador after he leaves the senate.

DEMs; Amazing how much Hitlery the Kleptoclinton is hated - a life long socialist and a VP not even declared out poll her 2 to 1

Bernie 46% Lifelong Socialist
Hitlery 30% Lifelong Turbo Charged... Harpie
Joe VP 14% Lifelong DumbleBumbledore

I think when you tack on the NH Independents Trump picks up another 15% to 20% in the primary elections

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on September 25, 2015, 12:15:06 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on September 25, 2015, 10:27:29 AM

New Hampshire first in the nation real primary by secret vote (As in not the iowa arm twisting caucuses in corners of rooms).

GOP;
Trump: 26% Trump is the only Jobs candidate strong on immigration and deportation, Fiorina is an SJW and the rest are pro amnesty.
Fiorina: 16% Pro Amnesty SJW Marxist Socialist in RINO costume
Carson: 9% Wishy Washy on amnesty and immigracion
Jeb: 8% Immigration is an act of love - sounds just like Pope Francis - soft as grapes
Rubio: 7% Rubio is as pro amnestia as possible seems to be running for Vatican Ambassador after he leaves the senate.

DEMs; Amazing how much Hitlery the Kleptoclinton is hated - a life long socialist and a VP not even declared out poll her 2 to 1

Bernie 46% Lifelong Socialist
Hitlery 30% Lifelong Turbo Charged... Harpie
Joe VP 14% Lifelong DumbleBumbledore

I think when you tack on the NH Independents Trump picks up another 15% to 20% in the primary elections

didnt you vote for Obama cuffy? ... yeah...selling your vote for gimmi-a-union-job didnt work out so well for the USA as a whole did it?

The problem is not politicians being bought by lobbiest, its voters being bought by politicians.

Anyway;.. Rep establishment hates Trump, because their "business model" (business as usual gravy train) is kinda not applicable

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on September 25, 2015, 05:25:21 PM

JC first I have never been in any union the US Military is NOT allowed to unionize like police, firefighters and EMTs.

Second I voted for Obama in the NH primary as an independent (In New Hampshire independents are allowed to declare either D or R at the primary polls which makes NH pre voting polls so interesting and why Mr. Trump is probably 20 points higher than the lame stream media shows) ... this was so Hitlery would not win... it worked sorta then Obama showed his true Marxist Socialist African National Congress communist roots and he started pro family and ended up an LGBTQ SJW warrior - so we all evolve.

The one thing that disgusts me about Obama besides his goal of turning the USA into a minority majority country with 10,000 Somalians and Kenyan muslims resettled to New Hampshire so you can imagine the rest of the country - the big problem is that Obama has done nothing to stop El Chapo and his Sinaloa cartel or the rest of the Narco Terrorist cartels in Latin America from flooding the entire USA with deadly heroin cut with fentanyl. Boston had 1,000 overdose deaths last year and New Hampshire over 100 - out freaking rageous which is why I went to the City Hall today and confirmed that I was registered to vote - had to show my license and my passport card to sign up and change my address and verify I was registered as a republican.

I signed the Trump endorsement card and volunteered to be a City coordinator for Mr. Trump because i believe he is the one candidate not soft as a Grape on immigration and the one candidate that will actually rebuild out country and be a tough negotiator on trade.

As for the GOP "establishment" hating Mr. Trump he signed the pledge to back the GOP candidate including himself and the GOP will be more than willing to go with Mr. Trump versus Socialist Bernie or turbo charged harpie from hell Hitlery. One good thing is that Bernie with NO big Clinton donors is crushing Hitlery so there is a God in heaven to answer our prayers thank you Pope Francis ;-)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on September 25, 2015, 07:03:08 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on September 25, 2015, 05:25:21 PM

JC first I have never been in any union t... bla bla bla

Cmon, you posted comments here like Obamas mother was "revenge raped" by his black father (what the :censored: does that mean anyway?, tsssk, americans liberals and their racefettish..tssk tssks.)
You love unions, ..., you change your mind about that too?

Maybe in the Midwest you are a hero because of your "service", and that's the reason why you joined in the first place for 2 reasons::,.., status and pension. (especially the former)

The thing is back then Obama was popular and now Trump is, so you just go with whatever flow and "post de - facto" justify later.

Trump will take care of the military.... well... that's you,.., right?

Drugs shouldn't be illegal in the first place,... government employees have no :censored: ing business if i should drink alcohol, smoke tobacco, smoke weed, or whatever other plant i see fit.

But i guess the constitution has been turned into toilet paper already!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on September 25, 2015, 07:56:59 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on September 25, 2015, 10:27:29 AM

New Hampshire first in the nation real primary by secret vote (As in not the iowa arm twisting caucuses in corners of rooms).

GOP;
Trump: 26% Trump is the only Jobs candidate strong on immigration and deportation, Fiorina is an SJW and the rest are pro amnesty.
Fiorina: 16% Pro Amnesty SJW Marxist Socialist in RINO costume
Carson: 9% Wishy Washy on amnesty and immigracion
Jeb: 8% Immigration is an act of love - sounds just like Pope Francis - soft as grapes
Rubio: 7% Rubio is as pro amnestia as possible seems to be running for Vatican Ambassador after he leaves the senate.

DEMs; Amazing how much Hitlery the Kleptoclinton is hated - a life long socialist and a VP not even declared out poll her 2 to 1

Bernie 46% Lifelong Socialist
Hitlery 30% Lifelong Turbo Charged... Harpie
Joe VP 14% Lifelong DumbleBumbledore

I think when you tack on the NH Independents Trump picks up another 15% to 20% in the primary elections

I'm just glad that Boenner announced his retirement today.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on September 26, 2015, 08:30:42 AM

Quote from: JeanClaude on September 25, 2015, 07:03:08 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on September 25, 2015, 05:25:21 PM
JC first I have never been in any union t... bla bla bla

Cmon, you posted comments here like Obamas mother was "revenge raped" by his black father (what the :censored: does that mean anyway?, tsssk, americans liberals and their racefettish..tssk tssks.)
You love unions, ..., you change your mind about that too?

Maybe in the Midwest you are a hero because of your "service", and that's the reason why you joined in the first place for 2 reasons::,.., status and pension. (especially the former)

The thing is back then Obama was popular and now Trump is, so you just go with whatever flow and "post de - facto" justify later.

Trump will take care of the military.... well... that's you,.., right?

Drugs shouldn't be illegal in the first place,... government employees have no :censored: ing business if i should drink alcohol, smoke tobacco, smoke weed, or whatever other plant i see fit.

But i guess the constitution has been turned into toilet paper already!

JC Because you are a arrogant frenchman and most of our politics are similar I will ingnore you blatant disrespect of my honorable service. Ironic that I fought to keep Europa free of the Rooskie invaders and now that you are being invaded by a hostile ISIS Army the Rooskies - the last Alpha elite I will just say you really should not antagonize the one breed of military men that stand to be able to rescue your french fried bacon (slang for your arrogant arse) again when the 3 Million about to become 30 Million radical islamist ISIS sympatico invaders take over your continent and again give you the choice of the beheading blade or the koran.

Even mega rich Switzerland will be under enormous pressure to take in these "refugees".

My experience when a Frenchman is lashing out spending too much time being an on line phuckhead after a bottle of vino or three - he has not been getting laid on the regular and is suffering from severe FTHB Frenchman's Toxic Hormone Buildup - with all the chaos in Ukraine and Russia and you living in Russian woman's money, shopping and lifestyle paradise you should just wave your Swiss residency papers around as hot Rooskie babe bait and that should help to solve your FTHB problem - the surly personality though will take more than cheap jug wine to solve.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on September 27, 2015, 04:41:39 PM

cuffy:"...r I will ingnore you blatant disrespect of my honorable service. .."

The Swiss militia (all able bodied men between 20-40) have honorable service. The rest are just storm- troopers serving the state.

I get laid plenty, dont worry, but that has nothing to do with your flip-flopping every election year.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on September 27, 2015, 07:25:11 PM

Quote from: JeanClaude on September 27, 2015, 04:41:39 PM

cuffy:"...r I will ingnore you blatant disrespect of my honorable service. .."

The Swiss militia (all able bodied men between 20-40) have honorable service. The rest are just storm- troopers serving the state.

I get laid plenty, dont worry, but that has nothing to do with your flip-flopping every election year.

JC you are being a Munt Mangina of the first order and a keyboard coward you are what you are a sexually frustrated wannebee Swiss desperate to get rid of his Francistan passport.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 27, 2015, 08:17:28 PM

60 Minutes put the fatal harpoon into the Trump Campaign tonight.

They made him look like a raving lunatic with no realistic plan and unrealistic expectations.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on September 27, 2015, 08:32:37 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 27, 2015, 08:17:28 PM

60 Minutes put the fatal harpoon into the Trump Campaign tonight.

They made him look like a raving lunatic with no realistic plan and unrealistic expectations.

So President Hillary Clinton it is then, because no one else on the GOP side has anything better.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on September 27, 2015, 08:37:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 27, 2015, 08:17:28 PM

60 Minutes put the fatal harpoon into the Trump Campaign tonight.

They made him look like a raving lunatic with no realistic plan and unrealistic expectations.

All the more reason for a highly dissatisfied electorate to get behind him. Don't spend my $300, I can feel the warmth of it in my wallet already. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 27, 2015, 08:39:11 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on September 27, 2015, 08:32:37 PM

So President Hillary Clinton it is then, because no one else on the GOP side has anything better.

I'll bet you $50 (Canadian) that Hillary Clinton won't be the Democratic nominee.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on September 27, 2015, 08:59:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 27, 2015, 08:39:11 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on September 27, 2015, 08:32:37 PM
So President Hillary Clinton it is then, because no one else on the GOP side has anything better.

I'll bet you $50 (Canadian) that Hillary Clinton won't be the Democratic nominee.

I agree with that opinion. Hillary keeps trying to blame the GOP but it's Obama who hates her and intends to burn her once and for all with the powers of his FBI. The nominee will be Bernie Sanders or Biden.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on September 27, 2015, 09:49:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 27, 2015, 08:39:11 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on September 27, 2015, 08:32:37 PM
So President Hillary Clinton it is then, because no one else on the GOP side has anything better.

I'll bet you $50 (Canadian) that Hillary Clinton won't be the Democratic nominee.

You could be right. Four months ago I would have taken that bet but now her legal problems keep mounting and it's impossible to judge just how serious they are. However the latest betting polls have her well out in front of Sanders, Biden, Warren and everyone else.

Her coronation isn't going as well as she hoped. :laugh:

http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/democrat-candidate

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on September 29, 2015, 12:58:36 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 27, 2015, 08:17:28 PM

60 Minutes put the fatal harpoon into the Trump Campaign tonight.

They made him look like a raving lunatic with no realistic plan and unrealistic expectations.

With all due respect Captain - this sounds like more of the same balderdash and bull puckies that insisted Mutt Romney was 10 points ahead in the polls and would trounce the Obamunist in Chief...

And look where we are now!

It is a long way to the election in Nov 2016...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 29, 2015, 05:44:25 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on September 29, 2015, 12:58:36 PM

It is a long way to the election in Nov 2016...

Is that ever the truth.

Americans will endure some 14 or so months of this. One carpet muncher with a bad hairdo, another who could not tell if Austria is east or west of Germany also with bad hair, and a socialist that might even create discomfort for Obama.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on September 29, 2015, 05:50:06 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 29, 2015, 05:44:25 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on September 29, 2015, 12:58:36 PM
It is a long way to the election in Nov 2016...

Is that ever the truth.

Americans will endure some 14 or so months of this. One carpet muncher with a bad hairdo, another who could not tell if Austria is east or west of Germany also with bad hair, and a socialist that might even create discomfort for Obama.

You forgot about the evangelicals who think there should be an official state religion with a religious test for state office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 29, 2015, 05:54:28 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on September 29, 2015, 05:50:06 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 29, 2015, 05:44:25 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on September 29, 2015, 12:58:36 PM
It is a long way to the election in Nov 2016...

Is that ever the truth.

Americans will endure some 14 or so months of this. One carpet muncher with a bad hairdo, another who could not tell if Austria is east or west of Germany also with bad hair, and a socialist that might even create discomfort for Obama.

You forgot about the evangelicals who think there should be an official state religion with a religious test for state office.

God save the Queen.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on September 29, 2015, 07:02:12 PM

Teamsters withhold endorsement for Hillary. Want to meet with Trump.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/09/breaking-video-teamsters-withhold-endorsement-for-hillary-want-to-meet-with-donald-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on September 29, 2015, 07:09:49 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 27, 2015, 08:17:28 PM

60 Minutes put the fatal harpoon into the Trump Campaign tonight.

They made him look like a raving lunatic with no realistic plan and unrealistic expectations.

People are getting sick of the MSM who rather than just report the news seek to mold public opinion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on September 30, 2015, 02:58:03 PM

Donald Trump has a long history of working with Labor Unions and the Teamsters being very well paid delivering construction materials to his projects on time with precision and NO freaking strikes if they ever want to work on his future projects - like the beautiful Walls across the Mexican and Socialist Canadian borders... Unions and Trump = KaChing - whereas Hillary NO walls NO new Construction, NO rebuild of American Infrastructure and NO Oil Pipelines means bankruptcy for the Teamsters.

And:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/255449-poll-trump-stays-aloft-gop-field

The NBC poll touting Fiorina the RINO Feminist LGBTQ SJW crusader was obviously RIGGED.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on September 30, 2015, 04:15:30 PM

Brilliant Town Hall interview with Donald Trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 30, 2015, 04:24:41 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on September 30, 2015, 04:15:30 PM

Brilliant Town Hall interview with Donald Trump

He's done.

Put a fork in him

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on September 30, 2015, 09:09:25 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 30, 2015, 04:24:41 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on September 30, 2015, 04:15:30 PM

Brilliant Town Hall interview with Donald Trump

He's done.

Put a fork in him

LOL Mr. Trump is about to pick up the Teamsters and has polled 25% of the Black vote which Romney only got 5%... Why? One word JOBS.

Romney an economic traitor was a pioneer of shipping good US Cash Cow Companies off to China for the Chinese markets short term equity POP and Trump is going to create tens of millions of jobs in the USA as he leads the rebuilding of America in all facets.

Honestly at this point any one against Trump is PRO OBAMA PRO HITLERY and against the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on October 01, 2015, 10:34:20 AM

Donald Trump gives Putin an "A" on leadership.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety/2015/09/30/Donald-Trump-gives-Putin-an-A-on-leadership.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 01, 2015, 06:23:48 PM

Quote from: Anteros on October 01, 2015, 10:34:20 AM

Donald Trump gives Putin an "A" on leadership.

Trump is all about style (or the lack there of) Putin while I do not always agree with his actions is about substance and results.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: JeanClaude on October 01, 2015, 08:27:50 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 01, 2015, 06:23:48 PM

Quote from: Anteros on October 01, 2015, 10:34:20 AM
Donald Trump gives Putin an "A" on leadership.

Trump is all about style (or the lack there of) Putin while I do not always agree with his actions is about substance and results.

Trump was openly against the invasion in Iraque, while the rest of the idiots went gung ho jerking off at the US fag and beating the war-drums.

Over 20 trillion in debt, failed wars,.., I see substance is doing quite well managing things.

The same bullshit (lack of substance) was said by traitors like you about Pim Fortuyn and Wilders, so this liberal intellectual kneejurk is so predictable

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on October 01, 2015, 09:06:41 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 01, 2015, 06:23:48 PM

Quote from: Anteros on October 01, 2015, 10:34:20 AM
Donald Trump gives Putin an "A" on leadership.

Trump is all about style (or the lack there of) Putin while I do not always agree with his actions is about substance and results.

Trump does build stuff and employ people. Perhaps a little more research on Trump is in order for you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 05, 2015, 09:35:53 AM

Ann Coulter thinks Trump has got a real shot at winning.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ann-coulter-donald-trump-election-immigration-2015-9

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 05, 2015, 09:42:36 AM

Quote from: Maxx on October 05, 2015, 09:35:53 AM

Ann Coulter thinks Trump has got a real shot at winning.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ann-coulter-donald-trump-election-immigration-2015-9

Ann Coulter is a bimbo. Great looking hair but a bimbo. She has NEVER backed a winning political candidate. Writes some funny books however.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 05, 2015, 01:24:12 PM

Latest polls likely to make the GOP establishment sweat...

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/...at?ref=yfp

It’s October. Here are the latest national results from the Pew Research Center.

1. Donald Trump: 25%
2. Ben Carson: 16%
3. Carly Fiorina: 8%
3. Marco Rubio: 8%
5. Ted Cruz: 6%
6. Jeb Bush: 4%
7. Mike Huckabee: 2%
7. Rand Paul: 2%

The remaining candidates are at 1% or below in the Pew findings. (Note, this is the first survey of the cycle from the Pew Research Center, so I didn’t include figures as to whether the candidates’ support was increasing or decreasing.)

Trump and Carson 41% Combined and likely to take all the rest of the votes once the GOP low pollers run out of funds. Nice that Trump and Carson have not attacked each other could be a natural President/VP ticket for a WIN.

Could imagine Carson being a nice Christian attack dog that eviscerates Hillary on nearly all issues including who had a tougher childhood and still excelled.

Carson brings one of the major legs of the Three legged GOP success factors stool to the ticket (that Romney LOST), and that is conservative Christians in the fly over states. Would also lock in a much greater minority vote, add in security minded soccer moms and jobs oriented independents and Reagan working class white male democrats on the low taxes high jobs and economic growth and military defense Plank and it is a winning ticket against both Hitlery and Bernie not too mention Joe Biden.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 05, 2015, 01:55:19 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 05, 2015, 01:24:12 PM

Trump and Carson 41% Combined and likely to take all the rest of the votes once the GOP low pollers run out of funds. Nice that Trump and Carson have not attacked each other could be a natural President/VP ticket for a WIN.

Your boy is done. Save future contributions to help the actual candidate beat the Democrats in 2016.

I'm guessing the final Republican ticket will be Marco Rubio on top and John Kasich on the bottom. That would lock up Florida and Ohio for the Republicans and make it so all they'd need to win the General Election would be to pick up just ONE of the following Obama states from 2012: Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Virginia, Iowa or Pennsylvania.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 05, 2015, 03:35:49 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 05, 2015, 01:55:19 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 05, 2015, 01:24:12 PM
Trump and Carson 41% Combined and likely to take all the rest of the votes once the GOP low pollers run out of funds. Nice that Trump and Carson have not attacked each other could be a natural President/VP ticket for a WIN.

Your boy is done. Save future contributions to help the actual candidate beat the Democrats in 2016.

I'm guessing the final Republican ticket will be Marco Rubio on top and John Kasich on the bottom. That would lock up Florida and Ohio for the Republicans and make it so all they'd need to win the General Election would be to pick up just ONE of the following Obama states from 2012: Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Virginia, Iowa or Pennsylvania.

Rubio is a PRO IMMIGRATION PRO AMNESTY RINO liberal soft as a grape immigration traitor and Kasich is a moderate - just like Romney and McCain - let me spell the results of that out for you F-A-I-L as the band plays hail to the chief to Hitlery at her inauguration.

I like Gov. Kasich good man and see his ads in NH every day - he is spending millions on Ad buys and yet does not even move the meter - he would actually be a better VP to Trump but NO grass roots following like both Trump and Carson have managed to build. Kasich will likely be offered a Cabinet level position.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 05, 2015, 03:54:05 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 05, 2015, 03:35:49 PM

Rubio is a PRO IMMIGRATION PRO AMNESTY RINO liberal soft as a grape immigration traitor and Kasich is a moderate - just like Romney and McCain - let me spell the results of that out for you F-A-I-L as the band plays hail to the chief to Hitlery at her inauguration.

I like Gov. Kasich good man and see his ads in NH every day - he is spending millions on Ad buys and yet does not even move the meter - he would actually be a better VP to Trump but NO grass roots following like both Trump and Carson have managed to build. Kasich will likely be offered a Cabinet level position.

To be honest with you, I'd give a little on immigration to guarantee a Republican controlled House/Senate/President so we could undo all the mess that Obama created in the first 3 months of 2017.

Delivering Ohio AND Florida to the Republicans is critical. We can't win without both of them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 05, 2015, 04:08:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 05, 2015, 03:54:05 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 05, 2015, 03:35:49 PM

Rubio is a PRO IMMIGRATION PRO AMNESTY RINO liberal soft as a grape immigration traitor and Kasich is a moderate - just like Romney and McCain - let me spell the results of that out for you F-A-I-L as the band plays hail to the chief to Hitlery at her inauguration.

I like Gov. Kasich good man and see his ads in NH every day - he is spending millions on Ad buys and yet does not even move the meter - he would actually be a better VP to Trump but NO grass roots following like both Trump and Carson have managed to build. Kasich will likely be offered a Cabinet level position.

To be honest with you, I'd give a little on immigration to guarantee a Republican controlled House/Senate/President so we could undo all the mess that Obama created in the first 3 months of 2017.

Delivering Ohio AND Florida to the Republicans is critical. We can't win without both of them.

A good point which is why we have to keep Kasich in the loop with a major cabinet post SecDef or SecState or the big money entitlements post of Health and Human Services even though his polls have shriveled up nation wide he is an outstanding governor who turned around a State with enormous deficits and actually seeing some signs of Job Growth though to be honest 300,000 new jobs is barely replacement level from the recession and not nearly enough to keep pace for new college grads.

I think Ted Cruz actually can deliver a lot of conservative Floridians including Cubans much better than liberal Rubio... immigration is a major issue we have a massive Mexican heroin epidemic in Boston and New Hampshire all the way up to the Canadian border - the Walls have to be built and immigration not only stopped but E-Verify enforced with ALL employers - will directly minimize illegals and all undocumenteds will have to go back to the end of the line with drugs dealers and crimaliens expunged.

Notice who Mr. Trump shows respect to he calls John Kasich "Governor" (Not Christy) and shows respect to Ted Cruz, Mike Gov. Huckabee and Dr. Carson but NOT Rubio, Fiorina or the guy I like Senator Rand Paul...

I too want a winner and am organizing for Trump (Signed my endorsement card) Veterans for Trump. And am only continuing to donate to Ron C4L and Rand Paul's Pro Constitution initiatives I think Senator Paul can really impact, Audit the Fed, CAF Repeal, Obamacare Repeal, Unpatriot Act repeal, Balnce the Budget, Eliminate the IRS with Real Tax Reform, Term Limits etc.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 05, 2015, 05:39:29 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 05, 2015, 04:08:46 PM

A good point which is why we have to keep Kasich in the loop with a major cabinet post SecDef or SecState or the big money entitlements post of Health and Human Services even though his polls have shriveled up nation wide he is an outstanding governor who turned around a State with enormous deficits and actually seeing some signs of Job Growth though to be honest 300,000 new jobs is barely replacement level from the recession and not nearly enough to keep pace for new college grads.

I think Ted Cruz actually can deliver a lot of conservative Floridians including Cubans much better than liberal Rubio... immigration is a major issue we have a massive Mexican heroin epidemic in Boston and New Hampshire all the way up to the Canadian border - the Walls have to be built and immigration not only stopped but E-Verify enforced with ALL employers - will directly minimize illegals and all undocumenteds will have to go back to the end of the line with drugs dealers and crimaliens expunged.

Notice who Mr. Trump shows respect to he calls John Kasich "Governor" (Not Christy) and shows respect to Ted Cruz, Mike Gov. Huckabee and Dr. Carson but NOT Rubio, Fiorina or the guy I like Senator Rand Paul...

I too want a winner and am organizing for Trump (Signed my endorsement card) Veterans for Trump. And am only continuing to donate to Ron C4L and Rand Paul's Pro Constitution initiatives I think Senator Paul can really impact, Audit the Fed, CAF Repeal, Obamacare Repeal, Unpatriot Act repeal, Balnce the Budget, Eliminate the IRS with Real Tax Reform, Term Limits etc.

Cuffy, We are almost on the same page. :) But I do not think Trump is Presidential, except perhaps for the local Rotary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on October 05, 2015, 05:57:04 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on September 30, 2015, 09:09:25 PM

Honestly at this point any one against Trump is PRO OBAMA PRO HITLERY and against the USA.

You would prefer that we have a government like North Korea? Just because you disagree with them does not mean that if we disagree with you we are anti USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 09, 2015, 01:15:55 PM

Russian Mayor Invites Donald Trump to Crimea

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/russian-mayor-invites-donald-trump-crimea/ri10373

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 08:44:30 AM

Quote from: yankee on October 05, 2015, 05:57:04 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on September 30, 2015, 09:09:25 PM

Honestly at this point any one against Trump is PRO OBAMA PRO HITLERY and against the USA.

You would prefer that we have a government like North Korea? Just because you disagree with them does not mean that if we disagree with you we are anti USA.

Yankster!

Dude we ALREADY have a government like North Korea! With an Obamunist Marxist Feminist SJW PUTUS that uses a war time presidents war powers to issue a flurry of executive orders to for example violate US immigration laws or worse using a wink and a nod to use the IRS to deny tax exempt status to any conservative political groups - we have to go back to Nixon to find wide spread political abuse via the IRS.

So you sound like a blue pill white knight whiner to me...

Anyway this is a bit disconcerting:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-is-raising-more-money-than-every-republican-candidate-155430566.html

Hitlery has raised more standard donations than Sanders and Carson combined $75 Million - only good news is that her likability is so low among major donors her superpac has only raised $15M compared to over $100M for Jeb.

This means the average liberal woman is solidly with Hillary.

Fortunately this is chump change for Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on October 10, 2015, 12:18:37 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 08:44:30 AM

So you sound like a blue pill white knight whiner to me...

You think I am a whiner? All I am saying is that you are unable to tolerate anyone that disagrees with you. Perhaps you and your ilk are?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 01:00:04 PM

Quote from: yankee on October 10, 2015, 12:18:37 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 08:44:30 AM
So you sound like a blue pill white knight whiner to me...

You think I am a whiner? All I am saying is that you are unable to tolerate anyone that disagrees with you. Perhaps you and your ilk are?

Yes it is binary with me - we have Veterans being stabbed to death on bicycle walks in our little city by 17 year old addicts trying to steal money for heroin being flooding into this country by Sinaloa El Chapo and many other narco terrorists.

Under the Marxist Socialist pro LGBTQ Obamunists agenda we have an epidemic of open borders, sanctuary cities and states and massive narco inspired crime waves and DEATH.

There is a massive war going on in the USA and you either agree it is time to become a country seize control of our borders, stop the flood of crimalien illegal immigrants and illegal drugs into the USA from both Mexico and the Liberal Socialist SJWs of Canada or you are a TRAITOR and an enemy of our constitution.

When you are in active wars against the USA you are either an ally or an enemy - so which one are you?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on October 10, 2015, 04:57:18 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 01:00:04 PM

Quote from: yankee on October 10, 2015, 12:18:37 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 08:44:30 AM
So you sound like a blue pill white knight whiner to me...

You think I am a whiner? All I am saying is that you are unable to tolerate anyone that disagrees with you. Perhaps you and your ilk are?

Yes it is binary with me - we have Veterans being stabbed to death on bicycle walks in our little city by 17 year old addicts trying to steal money for heroin being flooding into this country by Sinaloa El Chapo and many other narco terrorists.

Under the Marxist Socialist pro LGBTQ Obamunists agenda we have an epidemic of open borders, sanctuary cities and states and massive narco inspired crime waves and DEATH.

There is a massive war going on in the USA and you either agree it is time to become a country seize control of our borders, stop the flood of crimalien illegal immigrants and illegal drugs into the USA from both Mexico and the Liberal Socialist SJWs of Canada or you are a TRAITOR and an enemy of our constitution.

When you are in active wars against the USA you are either an ally or an enemy - so which one are you?

Wow! Please take you medicine!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 11, 2015, 04:06:21 AM

Don't give that man a gun EVAR!

Just imagine Cuffy with a gun. Get him mad about the price of cheap beer in his favourite sports bar and he'd go on the rampage killing all his young male friends.

...a survivor might say 'but why, he seemed so normal, buying us drinks and being our friend - and then to do this'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 11, 2015, 04:22:18 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 11, 2015, 04:06:21 AM

Don't give that man a gun EVAR!

Just imagine Cuffy with a gun. Get him mad about the price of cheap beer in his favourite sports bar and he'd go on the rampage killing all his young male friends.

...a survivor might say 'but why, he seemed so normal, buying us drinks and being our friend - and then to do this'

I have spoken outside of RUA with Cuffy, he is lucid and intelligent. Yes he has opinions that do not dovetail with mine or yours but that is this round marble we are on. And his rants are at times hilarious

Since he has had much more than a handgun at his command, I am not so worried.

Really Andy you should stick to proselytizing on subjects where at times you have a valid point and present an interesting viewpoint.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 12, 2015, 01:16:20 PM

Just checked my webpage at GT Bets and you guys who like Trump or Carson to win the Presidential Election in 2016 can get some pretty great odds on a bet if you have the balls to take the risk and put your money where your mouth is. These are actual numbers from a company willing to book your bet and pay off if you guess correctly.

Here are the current odds:

Hillary Clinton (11 to 10)

Jeb Bush (5 to 1)

Bernie Sanders (8 to 1)

Marco Rubio (12 to 1)

Donald Trump (14 to 1)

Carly Fiorina (15 to 1)

Joseph Biden (18 to 1)

Ben Carson (20 to 1)

John Kasich (35 to 1)

Chris Christie (35 to 1)

Ted Cruz (40 to 1)

Elizabeth Warren (50 to 1)

Rand Paul (75 to 1)

Martin Omalley (100 to 1)

Michael Bloomberg (200 to 1)

Bobby Jindal (200 to 1)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 12, 2015, 08:35:26 PM

All dumb bets once this happens...

http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/10/world-war-3-just-seconds-away/?ref=yfp

Obama who just pissed away $500M on a Free Syrian Army - to train 50 men who have all surrendered or been killed... Now seems bound and determined to kick off WWIII with Russia and China and Iran on one side and the USA on the other with greater Europa in between...

Obama is a disaster... about to become a catastrophe.

We actually still have Cold War Fallout Shelters here in New England so i will be fine but you Euro onanists are all pretty much going to glow Chernobyl style.

What is that old joke "What does a Euro nuclear fallout shelter look like?" - bend all the way over and kiss your arses GOODBYE!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 14, 2015, 03:11:39 PM

The mayor of Yalta seems to think Trump will be Russia's new best friend.

Trump a Hero in Crimea - Yalta Mayor Wants to Name a Street After Him

http://russia-insider.com/en/trump-hero-crimea-yalta-mayor-wants-name-street-after-him/ri10478

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on October 14, 2015, 03:50:24 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 14, 2015, 03:11:39 PM

The mayor of Yalta seems to think Trump will be Russia's new best friend.

Trump a Hero in Crimea - Yalta Mayor Wants to Name a Street After Him

http://russia-insider.com/en/trump-hero-crimea-yalta-mayor-wants-name-street-after-him/ri10478

Which proves Trump is a better negotiator than people realize. Him saying that he will get along fine with Putin only means that he will make deals which favor America but allow Russia to save face.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on October 14, 2015, 03:52:31 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 01:00:04 PM

Quote from: yankee on October 10, 2015, 12:18:37 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 08:44:30 AM
So you sound like a blue pill white knight whiner to me...

You think I am a whiner? All I am saying is that you are unable to tolerate anyone that disagrees with you. Perhaps you and your ilk are?

Yes it is binary with me - we have Veterans being stabbed to death on bicycle walks in our little city by 17 year old addicts trying to steal money for heroin being flooding into this country by Sinaloa El Chapo and many other narco terrorists.

Under the Marxist Socialist pro LGBTQ Obamunists agenda we have an epidemic of open borders, sanctuary cities and states and massive narco inspired crime waves and DEATH.

There is a massive war going on in the USA and you either agree it is time to become a country seize control of our borders, stop the flood of crimalien illegal immigrants and illegal drugs into the USA from both Mexico and the Liberal Socialist SJWs of Canada or you are a TRAITOR and an enemy of our constitution.

When you are in active wars against the USA you are either an ally or an enemy - so which one are you?

Guys like Yankee or Moby don't really get what is happening, yet...but their children and their grandchildren will, if they don't own some farmland away from major cities.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on October 14, 2015, 05:34:06 PM

Quote from: Anteros on October 14, 2015, 03:52:31 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: yankee on October 10, 2015, 12:18:37 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 08:44:30 AM
So you sound like a blue pill white knight whiner to me...

You think I am a whiner? All I am saying is that you are unable to tolerate anyone that disagrees with you. Perhaps you and your ilk are?

Yes it is binary with me - we have Veterans being stabbed to death on bicycle walks in our little city by 17 year old addicts trying to steal money for heroin being flooding into this country by Sinaloa El Chapo and many other narco terrorists.

Under the Marxist Socialist pro LGBTQ Obamunists agenda we have an epidemic of open borders, sanctuary cities and states and massive narco inspired crime waves and DEATH.

There is a massive war going on in the USA and you either agree it is time to become a country seize control of our borders, stop the flood of crimalien illegal immigrants and illegal drugs into the USA from both Mexico and the Liberal Socialist SJWs of Canada or you are a TRAITOR and an enemy of our constitution.

When you are in active wars against the USA you are either an ally or an enemy - so which one are you?

Guys like Yankee or Moby don't really get what is happening, yet...but their children and their grandchildren will, if they don't own some farmland away from major cities.

Hubris is a word that comes to mind when you post.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on October 14, 2015, 08:42:21 PM

Quote from: yankee on October 14, 2015, 05:34:06 PM

Quote from: Anteros on October 14, 2015, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: yankee on October 10, 2015, 12:18:37 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 08:44:30 AM
So you sound like a blue pill white knight whiner to me...

You think I am a whiner? All I am saying is that you are unable to tolerate anyone that disagrees with you. Perhaps you and your ilk are?

Yes it is binary with me - we have Veterans being stabbed to death on bicycle walks in our little city by 17 year old addicts trying to steal money for heroin being flooding into this country by Sinaloa El Chapo and many other narco terrorists.

Under the Marxist Socialist pro LGBTQ Obamunists agenda we have an epidemic of open borders, sanctuary cities and states and massive narco inspired crime waves and DEATH.

There is a massive war going on in the USA and you either agree it is time to become a country seize control of our borders, stop the flood of crimalien illegal immigrants and illegal drugs into the USA from both Mexico and the Liberal Socialist SJWs of Canada or you are a TRAITOR and an enemy of our constitution.

When you are in active wars against the USA you are either an ally or an enemy - so which one are you?

Guys like Yankee or Moby don't really get what is happening, yet...but their children and their grandchildren will, if they don't own some farmland away from major cities.

Hubris is a word that comes to mind when you post.

Stick to the issue, if you're capable of it. The issue is what is going to happen to America due to the cultural war which has been waged to destroy this country from within by the Marxist-Muslim traitor B. Hussein Obama.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 15, 2015, 01:49:23 AM

Interesting to me is that Trump is discussing the issue of the Fed holding down interest rates to prevent a "recession/depression" during Obama's term in office.

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Trump also accused Federal Reserve Chairwoman Janet Yellen of keeping interest rates low in order to shield Obama from having to leave office during a recession

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“She’s keeping the economy going, barely,” Trump said. “The reason they’re keeping the interest rate down is Obama doesn’t want to have a recession-slash-depression during his administration.”

Federal Reserve policymakers are expected in the coming months to raise the interest rate, which has remained at zero percent since the 2008 crisis in an effort to foster economic growth.

“You know who gets hurt the most? People who practice the American dream and did what should have been the right way — the people that went through 40 years of their life and saved a hundred dollars every week [in the bank],” Trump said.

He paused, shaking his head before adding: “They worked all their lives to save and now what happens is they’re being forced into an inflated stock market and at some point they’ll get wiped out.”

It is a relief that these issues are even being brought up. Sanders hit some home runs too although I do not care for his "solutions."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on October 15, 2015, 07:44:30 AM

Quote from: Anteros on October 14, 2015, 08:42:21 PM

Quote from: yankee on October 14, 2015, 05:34:06 PM
Quote from: Anteros on October 14, 2015, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: yankee on October 10, 2015, 12:18:37 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 08:44:30 AM
So you sound like a blue pill white knight whiner to me...

You think I am a whiner? All I am saying is that you are unable to tolerate anyone that disagrees with you. Perhaps you and your ilk are?

Yes it is binary with me - we have Veterans being stabbed to death on bicycle walks in our little city by 17 year old addicts trying to steal money for heroin being flooding into this country by Sinaloa El Chapo and many other narco terrorists.

Under the Marxist Socialist pro LGBTQ Obamunists agenda we have an epidemic of open borders, sanctuary cities and states and massive narco inspired crime waves and DEATH.

There is a massive war going on in the USA and you either agree it is time to become a country seize control of our borders, stop the flood of crimalien illegal immigrants and illegal drugs into the USA from both Mexico and the Liberal Socialist SJWs of Canada or you are a TRAITOR and an enemy of our constitution.

When you are in active wars against the USA you are either an ally or an enemy - so which one are you?

Guys like Yankee or Moby don't really get what is happening, yet...but their children and their grandchildren will, if they don't own some farmland away from major cities.

Hubris is a word that comes to mind when you post.

Stick to the issue, if you're capable of it. The issue is what is going to happen to America due to the cultural war which has been waged to destroy this country from within by the Marxist-Muslim traitor B. Hussein Obama.

Help me out then. To begin with I do not like Obama. But please explain to me the marxist behaviour Obama doing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 15, 2015, 09:15:05 AM

Read up on his upbringing and education as a Chicago Saul Alinsky Marxist Rules for Radicals "community organizer" and educate yourself. He is our first successful "Manchurian Candidate" a dedicated Marxist Socialist pro Feminist, Pro LGBTQ agendas, anti white European president - his words are meaningless - his actions are everything - he claims to be a constitutional scholar yet he does all he can to undermine the US constitution, the IRS denying tax exempt status to conservative political organizations - a FELONY conspiracy yet NO convictions, a drastic increase in illegal Civil Asset forfeiture to fund Federal, State and Local Law Enforcement slush funds in direct Violation of the 4th Amendment yet NO prosecutions of out of control Law Enforcement officials under the RICO act seizure policies accelerated under the current Female Marxist Feminist BLM attorney general, numerous unconstitutional executive orders to back door congress and the constitution including orders to ignore US Immigration laws for over 5 million illegal aliens of more than an estimated 30 Million total, a full on politically correct assault on the US Military readiness with prioritizing LGBTQ and Feminist agendas over a mission to WIN with a result of recent disasters across the globe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 15, 2015, 12:47:36 PM

yankee, listen to Obama's own words of his roots. It is only 14 seconds long

Here is another short video of Obama talking about the man he mentions as "Frank" in his book 'Dreams from my Father.' The man he called "Frank" twenty two times in that book, a Frank Marshal Davis.

Here is some photos of mentor Davis with Obama.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Unknown_zpsew2mj3ei.jpeg)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/davisobama_zpsnr2azaes.jpg)

So who is Obama's mentor Frank Marshal Davis? You could ask J Edgar Hoover if he was still alive. The FBI had a 600 page file on him. He was a card carrying member 47544 of CPUSA "Communist Party USA."

From the American Spectator

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LET’S CUT TO THE CHASE: Frank Marshall Davis was a literal, card-carrying member of Communist Party USA (CPUSA). His card number was 47544. He was pro-Soviet, pro–Red China. He edited and wrote for Party-line publications such as the Chicago Star and the Honolulu Record; contributors to the former actually served as secret agents to Stalin’s Soviet Union. Davis did outrageous Soviet propaganda work in his columns, at every juncture agitating and opposing U.S. attempts to slow Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse-tung. He favored Yalta and Red Army takeovers of Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and Central and Eastern Europe. He urged America to dump the “fascist” Chiang Kaishek in support of Mao’s Red forces. He wanted Communist takeovers in Korea and Vietnam. He was adamantly, angrily anti-NATO, anti–Marshall Plan, anti–Truman Doctrine. He argued that the U.S. under President Harry Truman—whom he portrayed as a fascist, racist, and imperialist—and under secretaries of state George Marshall and Dean Acheson, was handing West Germany back to the Nazis, while Stalin was pursuing “democracy” in East Germany and throughout the Communist Bloc. He portrayed America’s leaders as “aching for an excuse to launch a nuclear nightmare of mass murder and extermination” against the Soviets and the Chinese— as eager to end all civilization.

IMO the whole "birther" issue was a red herring distraction from the real issue of who is the real Obama and his true origins.

Here is the link to the Spectator article to get a more in-depth look at Omama's mentor. http://spectator.org/articles/34799/dreams-frank-marshall-davis

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: jake11 on October 17, 2015, 01:26:08 PM

I got beaten up one time in Toronto for squealing on an alleged Filipina lady communist terrorist. Found out why. The commie was a deep penetration agent of RCMP. Besides, the men who beat me said, "they're here in Canada to work and send their children to school, not to engage in terrorism'. Lessons learned. What if Obama is an FBI stool pigeon, sir and with due respect. :) And as CIA chief Brennan has said, "he is a legitimate president no matter how socialist he is"..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on October 17, 2015, 01:52:36 PM

Quote from: jake11 on October 17, 2015, 01:26:08 PM

I got beaten up one time in Toronto for squealing on an alleged Filipina lady communist terrorist. Found out why. The commie was a deep penetration agent of RCMP. Besides, the men who beat me said, "they're here in Canada to work and send their children to school, not to engage in terrorism'. Lessons learned. What if Obama is an FBI stool pigeon, sir and with due respect. :) And as CIA chief Brennan has said, "he is a legitimate president no matter how socialist he is"..

jake11 what you went through is minor compared to what's happening with the continuing progress of alien shape shifters who are gradually taking over Earth. Irrefutable proof that they're taking over the governments of Earth.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b3/5c/7c/b35c7c696ca91d71be818fbb38c4ea30.jpg)

jake11 wake up to the bigger issue of the future Earth being ruled by shape shifting reptilian overlords. :hidechair:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 17, 2015, 04:37:34 PM

Westcoast, we have a hands off policy with jake11. We don't tease him anymore.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AKA Luke on October 17, 2015, 04:42:27 PM

Quote from: Maxx on October 17, 2015, 04:37:34 PM

Westcoast, we have a hands off policy with jake11. We don't tease him anymore.

Was there a whip round to fund his scholarship?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: jake11 on October 17, 2015, 06:07:47 PM

I encourage you to fund my scholarship because I deserve it. Australian SIGNIT (Signals Intelligence) is offering me $10 million Canadian dollars for your secrets. I declined because I am a scrupulous person. I earn $14 dollars an hour and work 12-14 hours a day, 6-8 hours Saturday and Sunday. God will be pleased with His children in America if they fund my scholarship. Only $ 25 thousand Canadian dollars (only tuition fee; everyday expenses shouldered by me) for the whole Bachelor of Arts in Slavic Studies major in Russian literature and history. C'mon find me one. :laugh: No bull!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: jake11 on October 17, 2015, 06:40:44 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on October 17, 2015, 01:52:36 PM

Quote from: jake11 on October 17, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
I got beaten up one time in Toronto for squealing on an alleged Filipina lady communist terrorist. Found out why. The commie was a deep penetration agent of RCMP. Besides, the men who beat me said, "they're here in Canada to work and send their children to school, not to engage in terrorism'. Lessons learned. What if Obama is an FBI stool pigeon, sir and with due respect. :) And as CIA chief Brennan has said, "he is a legitimate president no matter how socialist he is"..

jake11 what you went through is minor compared to what's happening with the continuing progress of alien shape shifters who are gradually taking over Earth. Irrefutable proof that they're taking over the governments of Earth.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b3/5c/7c/b35c7c696ca91d71be818fbb38c4ea30.jpg)

jake11 wake up to the bigger issue of the future Earth being ruled by shape shifting reptilian overlords. :hidechair:

kitay is a Filipino euphemism for Chinese mole. :laugh: Classified information is worth 25 thousand Canadian dollars. How else can you operate without me, CIA and FBI! Chinese diplomatic mail does not lie. Por favor, my scholarship!

If you have a lesbian daughter who wants to pursue politics, fetch her everyday at university. If she falls into a honeytrap and PLA video tapes the sexcapades, her political career is finished just like the jerk whose picture you see. :dh:

Just like how Russian intelligence is pairing me with a lesbian with her trickle down f***. If I behave, then I get lucky. If not, then I am two weeks off without sex. How Bill got ensnared. The whole story in my book. :laugh:

I was naked and jerking in front of her and she said, "I am not in the mood"..F*** who you fooling, man. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: jake11 on October 17, 2015, 07:30:30 PM

(http://i1154.photobucket.com/albums/p523/jrosenthal2/FBI_Logo_Transparent_zpsn7h0bh7l.png) (http://s1154.photobucket.com/user/jrosenthal2/media/FBI_Logo_Transparent_zpsn7h0bh7l.png.html)

They were trying to sweet talk me with a scholarship. I declined. Operation Solo? Are you crazy? ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 17, 2015, 08:05:43 PM

Quote from: jake11 on October 17, 2015, 06:40:44 PM

Just like how Russian intelligence is pairing me with a lesbian with her trickle down f***. If I behave, then I get lucky. If not, then I am two weeks off without sex. How Bill got ensnared. The whole story in my book. :laugh:

I was naked and jerking in front of her and she said, "I am not in the mood"..F*** who you fooling, man. :laugh:

Do you think Monica Lewinsky was a Russian mole to bring down Clinton?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: jake11 on October 18, 2015, 08:21:01 AM

Quote from: Maxx on October 17, 2015, 08:05:43 PM

Quote from: jake11 on October 17, 2015, 06:40:44 PM

Just like how Russian intelligence is pairing me with a lesbian with her trickle down f***. If I behave, then I get lucky. If not, then I am two weeks off without sex. How Bill got ensnared. The whole story in my book. :laugh:

I was naked and jerking in front of her and she said, "I am not in the mood"..F*** who you fooling, man. :laugh:

Do you think Monica Lewinsky was a Russian mole to bring down Clinton?

No. Clinton's frequent visits to the USSR during his university days is a prima facie evidence of Soviet espionage according to US laws on espionage. :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 21, 2015, 05:27:59 PM

This ought to make the GOP RINOs and LGBTQ Obamunist SJW Marxist Feminists brains explode:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-tru...53944.html

Donald Trump has experienced a major shift in one of the most significant predictors of electoral success

An interesting data point from a new poll Wednesday suggests that Donald Trump's presidential campaign arc is now more closely mirroring that of a traditional front-runner, rather than that of an insurgent fad.

The ABC/Washington Post poll found that a plurality of likely Republican primary voters now believe Trump will be their party's nominee.

According to the poll, 43% of registered GOP voters nationally believe that Trump has the greatest chance of winning the nomination. His closest competitors in the poll are retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, who was the choice of 16% of GOP voters, and former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida, who had 12%.

When the Post/ABC survey last asked the question, in March, Trump did not register. Bush received 35% of the vote then, 25 points ahead of his next-closest competitor, Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas.

The shift could be significant. A 2012 study, pointed to by The New York Times' David Leonhardt, found that measuring who voters think will win is actually a much better indicator of the eventual winner of an election than gauging who has the most voter support.

And an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released this week also showed Trump's remarkable rise in another area. Almost 60% support of likely Republican voters nationally said they could see themselves supporting Trump, putting him behind only Carson and Rubio in that field. In June, only 32% of Republican voters said they could see themselves supporting Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 17, 2015, 06:25:52 AM

Trump is proving to be a legitimate choice for president. :coffeeread:

Donald Trump had it right on Vladimir Putin and ISIS; Chris Christie didn't have a clue | Mulshine

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/11/chris_christie_made_the_wrong_call_on_vladimir_put.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 17, 2015, 08:02:39 AM

Trump looks like "The One" from over here.

That's not saying much that's good.

If we assume that the post of President is real and has real power to lead and for change, which I tend to doubt, it seems to me that a new way of choosing the president needs to be found. I am sure that there are many good men who, for all sorts of reasons, have no interest in taking on the task - not so much for the task itself but because of the manner by which the candidate gets to the point of incumbency.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 17, 2015, 08:23:52 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 17, 2015, 06:25:52 AM

Trump is proving to be a legitimate choice for president. :coffeeread:

Donald Trump had it right on Vladimir Putin and ISIS; Chris Christie didn't have a clue | Mulshine

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/11/chris_christie_made_the_wrong_call_on_vladimir_put.html

"Why was it that your candidate proposed shooting down the planes of the forces that are fighting against ISIS in the first place? Why would you want to enter a civil war on the same side as the Islamic State?

All of my sources in intelligence tell me there is no logical explanation other than a desire to oust the Assad regime and advance the interests not of the U.S. but of various other actors in the region, actors that put a lot of money into American political campaigns.

But maybe someone has a different explanation. If so, let's hear it." Good question

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 17, 2015, 08:50:56 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 17, 2015, 06:25:52 AM

Trump is proving to be a legitimate choice for president. :coffeeread:

{sigh}

Trump WILL NOT get the Republican nomination.

According to polls, over 50% of potential voters will not vote for him under any circumstance. This his called the "negative ratings". No person has ever received his/her party's nomination with their positive/negative ratings upside down.

The guy is just taking up space and continues the "slow bleed" of support with every debate he participates.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 17, 2015, 10:19:39 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 17, 2015, 08:02:39 AM

Trump looks like "The One" from over here.

Yes, but Shakespeare can't see it. According to the latests Reuters poll among likely primary voters Trump is at 42% and his nearest rival Carson, is at 20 something. Trump starts wining the primary States one by one and he is off to a win in the Republican election. All the Republicans that don't like him are they going to sit it out and let Hillary win the general election? Or will they hold their nose like Shakespear says he will and vote for Trump?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 17, 2015, 12:09:37 PM

Shakespear has a point about the 'not' voters but in the final analysis it will be the people who vote who make a difference. The voters will either be democrat or republican. If enough republicans choose to not vote then they give the presidency to the democrats. Thus, in the final analysis, if Trump is the strongest republican candidate then he will be nominated and the electorate (and their representative voting machines) will be exhorted to vote for him.

Trump has a couple of benefits as I see it:
I don't think he is evil, and some of the candidates are evil.
He is an outsider and can be expected to rally 'outsider' votes and those may well overpower the 'not' voters. After all, the election is a choice of individuals, manipulated - maybe, cheated - perhaps but in the end the electorate does not have to register its choice until in the polling booth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 17, 2015, 05:42:54 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 17, 2015, 12:09:37 PM

Shakespear has a point about the 'not' voters but in the final analysis it will be the people who vote who make a difference. The voters will either be democrat or republican. If enough republicans choose to not vote then they give the presidency to the democrats. Thus, in the final analysis, if Trump is the strongest republican candidate then he will be nominated and the electorate (and their representative voting machines) will be exhorted to vote for him.

Trump has a couple of benefits as I see it:
I don't think he is evil, and some of the candidates are evil.
He is an outsider and can be expected to rally 'outsider' votes and those may well overpower the 'not' voters. After all, the election is a choice of individuals, manipulated - maybe, cheated - perhaps but in the end the electorate does not have to register its choice until in the polling booth.

Andrew I suspect is indeed accurate in his opinion, I suspect that Trump could be a future Presidential candidate of the Republicans

I suspect Trump would be able to defeat Hillary who while better in the last debate she seems to polarize voters in a far more negative way than Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on November 17, 2015, 07:29:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 17, 2015, 08:50:56 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 17, 2015, 06:25:52 AM
Trump is proving to be a legitimate choice for president. :coffeeread:

{sigh}

Trump WILL NOT get the Republican nomination.

According to polls, over 50% of potential voters will not vote for him under any circumstance. This his called the "negative ratings". No person has ever received his/her party's nomination with their positive/negative ratings upside down.

The guy is just taking up space and continues the "slow bleed" of support with every debate he participates.

Still denying the obvious I see. Trump is a steamroller and he's going to easily take the White House in 2016. Please keep my money in a safe place as you'll be sending it to me soon enough. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on November 17, 2015, 07:35:49 PM

Quote from: yankee on October 15, 2015, 07:44:30 AM

Quote from: Anteros on October 14, 2015, 08:42:21 PM
Quote from: yankee on October 14, 2015, 05:34:06 PM
Quote from: Anteros on October 14, 2015, 03:52:31 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 01:00:04 PM
Quote from: yankee on October 10, 2015, 12:18:37 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on October 10, 2015, 08:44:30 AM
So you sound like a blue pill white knight whiner to me...

You think I am a whiner? All I am saying is that you are unable to tolerate anyone that disagrees with you. Perhaps you and your ilk are?

Yes it is binary with me - we have Veterans being stabbed to death on bicycle walks in our little city by 17 year old addicts trying to steal money for heroin being flooding into this country by Sinaloa El Chapo and many other narco terrorists.

Under the Marxist Socialist pro LGBTQ Obamunists agenda we have an epidemic of open borders, sanctuary cities and states and massive narco inspired crime waves and DEATH.

There is a massive war going on in the USA and you either agree it is time to become a country seize control of our borders, stop the flood of crimalien illegal immigrants and illegal drugs into the USA from both Mexico and the Liberal Socialist SJWs of Canada or you are a TRAITOR and an enemy of our constitution.

When you are in active wars against the USA you are either an ally or an enemy - so which one are you?

Guys like Yankee or Moby don't really get what is happening, yet...but their children and their grandchildren will, if they don't own some farmland away from major cities.

Hubris is a word that comes to mind when you post.

Stick to the issue, if you're capable of it. The issue is what is going to happen to America due to the cultural war which has been waged to destroy this country from within by the Marxist-Muslim traitor B. Hussein Obama.

Help me out then. To begin with I do not like Obama. But please explain to me the marxist behaviour Obama doing.

Geez, have you been sleeping the past 7 years?

IRS scandal to try to destroy his enemies in order to keep Democrats the sole source of power.

Attempts to redistribute wealth from the top down -- just like the Bolshevik's did.

Attempts to take away a citizens right to defend themselves and the right to fight against a tyrannical despot -- just like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.

Attempts to make Americans more dependent on big government through government controlled "healthcare" for all.

Forcing top brass in the military to take early retirements (think Stalin's purge of the military in 1937-1938).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on November 17, 2015, 08:59:02 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 17, 2015, 12:09:37 PM

Trump has a couple of benefits as I see it:
I don't think he is evil, and some of the candidates are evil.

Please Andrew tell the American people who are the evil candidates? Are there evil GOP candidates and evil Democrats or is it just evil GOP candidates?

Americans have a right to know if the candidate they're voting for is evil. If this evil as in spawn of the devil evil or merely evil as in cheated on taxes evil?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 17, 2015, 09:15:08 PM

Link on Drudge

REUTERS 5-DAY ROLLING POLL: TRUMP 36%, CARSON 14.6%, RUBIO 11.2%, CRUZ 7.9%... MORE...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on November 17, 2015, 09:41:04 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 17, 2015, 09:15:08 PM

Link on Drudge

REUTERS 5-DAY ROLLING POLL: TRUMP 36%, CARSON 14.6%, RUBIO 11.2%, CRUZ 7.9%... MORE...

More and more it's looking like TRUMP 2016.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 18, 2015, 01:43:46 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on November 17, 2015, 08:59:02 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 17, 2015, 12:09:37 PM

Trump has a couple of benefits as I see it:
I don't think he is evil, and some of the candidates are evil.

Please Andrew tell the American people who are the evil candidates? Are there evil GOP candidates and evil Democrats or is it just evil GOP candidates?

The above also caught my attention earlier, but I try to limit my interactions with Andrew between drinks. :party0011:

So Andrew I also am curious not only who, names please, but why as well.

Time for some more Joe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on November 18, 2015, 01:40:49 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 18, 2015, 01:43:46 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on November 17, 2015, 08:59:02 PM
Quote from: andrewfi on November 17, 2015, 12:09:37 PM

Trump has a couple of benefits as I see it:
I don't think he is evil, and some of the candidates are evil.

Please Andrew tell the American people who are the evil candidates? Are there evil GOP candidates and evil Democrats or is it just evil GOP candidates?

The above also caught my attention earlier, but I try to limit my interactions with Andrew between drinks. :party0011:

So Andrew I also am curious not only who, names please, but why as well.

Time for some more Joe.

I suggest you go back a bit in this thread and in the other thread and read Andrew's words about Trump which were not at all flattering. Clearly the ol' boy has changed his tune since Trump says he gets along great with Putin and will work with him.

Which quite frankly is fine with me as well -- I would much rather a Donald Trump in the White House who through advice of his wife can much better understand and respect Eastern European nations including Russia. As opposed to that ditz HC who could not even get the spelling correct for her "reset" button.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on November 18, 2015, 01:44:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 17, 2015, 08:50:56 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 17, 2015, 06:25:52 AM
Trump is proving to be a legitimate choice for president. :coffeeread:

{sigh}

Trump WILL NOT get the Republican nomination.

According to polls, over 50% of potential voters will not vote for him under any circumstance. This his called the "negative ratings". No person has ever received his/her party's nomination with their positive/negative ratings upside down.

The guy is just taking up space and continues the "slow bleed" of support with every debate he participates.

Our original bet still stands. Want to make a side bet? I will bet you $5.00 that the Republican ticket will be Trump-Cruz, if you will also give me 30 to 1 odds on this bet as well. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 18, 2015, 04:01:14 PM

LOL:

HuffPo is not a pro Trump MSM source - ANTI-Trump pro Liberal SJW Marxist Feminist LGBTQs more like it - yet their poll shows TRUMP surging after the Paris Radical Islamist ISIS massacres... See their interactive graph - The Trend is Trump up sharply and all the rest down sharply and Ben Carson taking all of the Liberal MSM attacks especially since Trump has launched a blistering attack of the pro Islamists simpatico Obamunist in Chief and his likely Democrat torch bearer Hitlery and the fact that back channels report to Trump that Obama and Hillary really want to bring in 250,000 plus Syrian radicalized Muslims into the USA - Ironic that Obama raised and schooled in Muslim schools in Indonesia never mention Radical Islamic Terrorists and NO mention of saving Middle East Christians!

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-gop-primary#!mindate=2015-06-01&smoothing=less&estimate=custom&selected=Bush,Carson,Christie,Fiorina,Graham,Rubio,Trump

Trump surging after Paris attacks - and - the open borders unlimited immigration leftists and RINOs being hammered.

Look at the chart John Kasich at 0.9% is statistically non-existent and should drop out now just like Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana.

Polling Trend

Donald Trump36.4%
Ben Carson18.9%
Ted Cruz8.0%
Marco Rubio7.5%
Jeb Bush6.3%
Carly Fiorina3.5%
Mike Huckabee3.2%
Rand Paul2.2%
Chris Christie1.8%
Lindsey Graham1.1%
John Kasich0.9%
Rick Santorum

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 18, 2015, 04:18:54 PM

Quote from: Anteros on November 18, 2015, 01:44:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 17, 2015, 08:50:56 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on November 17, 2015, 06:25:52 AM
Trump is proving to be a legitimate choice for president. :coffeeread:

{sigh}

Trump WILL NOT get the Republican nomination.

According to polls, over 50% of potential voters will not vote for him under any circumstance. This his called the "negative ratings". No person has ever received his/her party's nomination with their positive/negative ratings upside down.

The guy is just taking up space and continues the "slow bleed" of support with every debate he participates.

Our original bet still stands. Want to make a side bet? I will bet you $5.00 that the Republican ticket will be Trump-Cruz, if you will also give me 30 to 1 odds on this bet as well. :popcorn:

I like Trump-Cruz as Cruz delivers conservative Texas electoral votes, Evangelical Christians and Conservative latinos and is polling ahead of Rubio who is an open borders unlimited immagracion RINO traitor to the GOP along with Kasich, Bush and Christie all soft as crushed grapes on illegal immigration.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 18, 2015, 04:22:48 PM

Rand Paul hitting ISIS in their wallets as well:

Fellow Conservative,

The tragedy in Paris was a big lesson for us in America. Open borders and blanket amnesty without proper security are not options if we want our country to be safe here at home.

It is unfortunate, but the events have reminded us exactly why we need be extraordinarily cautious in who we allow to immigrate, visit, or study in this country. For years, I have called for limitations on admitting foreigners who want to come from countries consumed with hate for America, and I have called for reinstating a program of special scrutiny for anyone coming here from countries that have hotbeds of radical jihadism.

I previously put forth an Amendment to the immigration bill called ‘Trust but Verify’ that would have made our country more safe. Unfortunately, that bill was blocked by Marco Rubio and Chuck Schumer’s backroom deal with the Gang of 8.

Now I am doing three more things to improve the security of our country:

I put forth a bill to stop terrorists from entering the country as refugees.

I am working to stop the funding of ISIS abroad. I wrote a Time Op-Ed this week that demonstrated my position on holding people, non-profits, and governments accountable for funding ISIS.

I am working to defund taxpayer dollars from facilitating refugees from dangerous countries.

We have no choice but to put strict policies in place to keep our country safe. That is why this morning I announced an amendment to the Transportation, Housing, and Urban Development Appropriations Act to defund new refugees from high-risk countries.

If the administration doesn't have the ability to guarantee that the vetting process is working, if Americans cannot be guaranteed that we are not allowing terrorists to enter this country disguised as refugees, then we cannot continue to fund their entrance into this nation. The security of our nation must be a top priority.

Now is not the time for backroom deals with Chuck Schumer and the liberal Democrats. Now is the time to stand strong for the security of our country and make certain that protections are in place to make sure what happened in Paris does not happen here in America.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 18, 2015, 05:00:13 PM

I saw some poll with R. Paul moving even to M. Rubio earlier this week.

Maybe there is hope yet.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on November 18, 2015, 05:04:21 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 18, 2015, 05:00:13 PM

I saw some poll with R. Paul moving even to M. Rubio earlier this week.

Maybe there is hope yet.

Did you watch the last debate? It was odd because it seemed that Trump and Rand Paul were almost on the same page re-the Middle East.

Trump seems to vacillate back and forth in his statements about the ME and yet I'm not worried as he is actually the kind of man to very carefully assemble and listen to the advice of top military experts on the region.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 19, 2015, 11:25:10 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 17, 2015, 12:09:37 PM

Shakespear has a point about the 'not' voters but in the final analysis it will be the people who vote who make a difference.

Doesn't surprise me that you understand this basic concept. Surprises me greatly that other seemingly intelligent people are ignoring it completely.

Funny, a Fox News poll just released today featured the State of New Hampshire and asked the voters to decide between a Republican candidate and Hillary Clinton in a general Election. The results were not surprising to me:

Rubio beats Clinton by 7%

Kasich beats Clinton by 3%

Bush beats Clinton by 3%

Carson beats Clinton by 2%

Florina and Clinton tie

CLINTON BEATS TRUMP by 7%

Regardless of the poll numbers now, Trump will not win a general election. His "negatives" are too high. Period.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 19, 2015, 11:29:34 AM

Quote from: Anteros on November 18, 2015, 01:44:40 PM

Our original bet still stands.

Of course it does.

Quote from: Anteros on November 18, 2015, 01:44:40 PM

I will bet you $5.00 that the Republican ticket will be Trump-Cruz, if you will also give me 30 to 1 odds on this bet as well.

Don't be an ass. You want the favorite AND 30-1 odds. Not much a true sportsman are you?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 19, 2015, 11:48:16 AM

Shakespear, you just misled yourself I think.

As you know, over here in civilisation, we don't register our preferences in advance. That said, people tend to stick with their previous allegiances. My understanding is that over there, people also tend to stick with their allegiances.

Clinton is not a Republican candidate, she is, last I knew, a Democrat.
Trump is a Republican.
These basics will not change.

That means, as has happened before, that people will do one of two things, on the whole, they will either vote for the Republican candidate because they vote Republican, they will vote for the Democrat, because that's what they do OR they will not bother to vote.

Cross party choices mean nothing in the choice of the Republican candidate. If Trump has more support than the other candidates then he will get the nod. Given current numbers then Trump has a good chance of being that choice.

Having seen the Fox report of the poll it seems that the poll was not split to account for party allegiances and so a 'matchup' means nothing, it is just a toy given to you lot to play with. As you can see, from the poll numbers, the New Hampshire audience is, no matter the split of votes in the poll, tended to sympathise 'as Democrat' but the election is not the same as a poll and and so, as I noted, this is just a toy to let folks pretend they have some contact with a machine that is irrelevant to them.

Not shown, but surely in the sample data, is the choice when taking claimed allegiances into account. Right now all that you know is that Democrat voters prefer a more Democrat leaning choice, whether the party of the candidate is Democrat or Republican.

Oh, look at the sample error, it is relevant. ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 19, 2015, 12:16:45 PM

Andrew, there are many Americans (such as myself) that are not affiliated with a political party. This group is getting larger and larger because of the poor performances of both the Democrates and Republicans.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 19, 2015, 12:26:59 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 19, 2015, 12:16:45 PM

Andrew, there are many Americans (such as myself) that are not affiliated with a political party. This group is getting larger and larger because of the poor performances of both the Democrates and Republicans.

+1 The fact is the Independents are the largest voting block and determine which party's candidate GOP or DEMs wins the Whitehouse.

The polling of likely GOP or DEMs feeds the media narratives to skew to their favorites but fact is right now Trump has motivated the independents to get off their asses and rebuild our country first and Make America Great Again!

Trump pulls in the independents who are never polled and the GOP wins hands down...

That is why current GOP vs DEMs polls are meangless.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 19, 2015, 12:54:35 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 19, 2015, 11:48:16 AM

That means, as has happened before, that people will do one of two things, on the whole, they will either vote for the Republican candidate because they vote Republican, they will vote for the Democrat, because that's what they do OR they will not bother to vote.

That's just not right.

Approximately 40% of people identify as Republicans.

Approximately 40% identify as Democrats.

Approximately 20% are independents.

The overwhelming percentage of Independents that would NEVER vote for Trump is the deciding factor in this coming election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 19, 2015, 01:10:27 PM

http://nhpr.org/post/will-nh-primary-be-independents-day-all-signs-point-yes

Will The N.H. Primary Be "Independents' Day?" All Signs Point To Yes
By STEVE KOCZELA • SEP 2, 2015

Let’s take a look at the numbers. Since 1992 the number of undeclared voters has more than doubled in New Hampshire, while the total number registered with a major party has climbed less than 10 percent. Today, 44 percent of registered New Hampshire voters are unaffiliated with a political party, the highest share ever, and that number is likely to climb.

These undeclared voters aren't content to sit on the sidelines on Primary Day, and their presence is slowly but surely reshaping presidential primary contests. In 1996, just 21 percent of Primary Day voters were undeclared. Over the last few election cycles, this figure has jumped to between 35 percent and 37 percent overall. And in the most competitive contests within each party’s primary, the share of undeclared voters has been higher than 40 percent.

Undeclared Voters Are Playing A Larger Role in N.H. Primaries

I made sure I was registered to vote Republican so I could fill out an official endorsement card for Trump and they are only counted if you are registered with the candidates party.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 19, 2015, 05:45:51 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 19, 2015, 11:48:16 AM

That means, as has happened before, that people will do one of two things, on the whole, they will either vote for the Republican candidate because they vote Republican, they will vote for the Democrat, because that's what they do OR they will not bother to vote.

They must have floating voters?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on November 19, 2015, 08:22:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 19, 2015, 11:29:34 AM

Quote from: Anteros on November 18, 2015, 01:44:40 PM
Our original bet still stands.

Of course it does.

Quote from: Anteros on November 18, 2015, 01:44:40 PM
I will bet you $5.00 that the Republican ticket will be Trump-Cruz, if you will also give me 30 to 1 odds on this bet as well.

Don't be an ass. You want the favorite AND 30-1 odds. Not much a true sportsman are you?

What kind of odds would make you happy on this little side bet? You continue to claim that Trump does not stand a chance to win the nomination, and that he will not win the nomination. Therefore if you are truly confident of that, then the side bet is a slam dunk for you to win $5 more, correct?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on November 19, 2015, 08:57:13 PM

Meanwhile candidate Ben Carson compares refugee's from Syrian to rabid dogs. :chuckle:

I doubt if Carson will still be in the race in another 6 months, however time will tell. Trump did a pretty good job of knocking him back down. Just like Trump knocked Jeb Bush way down.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ben-carson-compares-refugees-to-rabid-dogs/ar-BBnd60w?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 20, 2015, 08:03:42 AM

Quote from: Anteros on November 19, 2015, 08:22:14 PM

What kind of odds would make you happy on this little side bet? You continue to claim that Trump does not stand a chance to win the nomination, and that he will not win the nomination. Therefore if you are truly confident of that, then the side bet is a slam dunk for you to win $5 more, correct?

$5 is hardly worth my while.

I say that Rubio-Kasich will be the final ticket. You say Trump-Cruz.

$500 to the person that is right. Even odds.

If both are wrong, nobody wins.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Turboguy on November 20, 2015, 02:55:29 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 20, 2015, 08:03:42 AM

Quote from: Anteros on November 19, 2015, 08:22:14 PM
What kind of odds would make you happy on this little side bet? You continue to claim that Trump does not stand a chance to win the nomination, and that he will not win the nomination. Therefore if you are truly confident of that, then the side bet is a slam dunk for you to win $5 more, correct?

$5 is hardly worth my while.

I say that Rubio-Kasich will be the final ticket. You say Trump-Cruz.

$500 to the person that is right. Even odds.

If both are wrong, nobody wins.

People seem to have strong feelings and be willing to make any kind of bet but when they lose then they tend to back out. Just to make sure no one backs out I will be happy to hold the money for the two of you until it is decided. Just like to be helpful. PM me and I will give you the PO box for each of you to send the money. Why not make it a little larger bet. I could use a nice vacation right now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 25, 2015, 08:07:02 AM

From the DrudgeReport

REUTERS 5-DAY ROLLING POLL: TRUMP 38%, CRUZ 11.6%, CARSON 11.5%, RUBIO 8.2%... MORE...

http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR130/filters/PARTY_ID_:2/dates/20151113-20151124/type/day

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 25, 2015, 09:20:24 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 25, 2015, 08:07:02 AM

From the DrudgeReport

REUTERS 5-DAY ROLLING POLL: TRUMP 38%, CRUZ 11.6%, CARSON 11.5%, RUBIO 8.2%... MORE...

http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR130/filters/PARTY_ID_:2/dates/20151113-20151124/type/day

Not a scientific poll. People can vote more than once. Worthless.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 27, 2015, 11:42:07 AM

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-gop-primary#!selected=Bush,Carson,Christie,Cruz,Fiorina,Gilmore,Graham,Huckabee,Kasich,Pataki,Rubio,Santorum,Trump

To say that HuffPost is pro liberal Social Justice Warriors and anti conservative and anti Trump is an understatement ...

There fore their interactive rollup of most major recent opinion polls is telling...

Telling us Trump is en fuego on fire and skyrocketing while Carson has jumped off a cliff and Rubio and Cruz have picked up slightly...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 04, 2015, 09:58:20 AM

Trump gets it, why can't anyone in Washington see what's going on?

Trump Aligns with Putin, Accuses Turkey of Siding with ISIL

http://russia-insider.com/en/trump-aligns-putin-accusing-turkey-siding-isil/ri11661

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 04, 2015, 10:22:16 AM

An article from WND called "Why liberal media hate Trump"

"Nixon and Agnew were attacked for not understanding the First Amendment freedom of the press. But all they were doing was using their First Amendment freedom of speech to raise doubts about the objectivity, reliability and truthfulness of the adversary press.

Since those days, conservatives have attacked the mainstream media attacking them. And four decades of this endless warfare has stripped the press of its pious pretense to neutrality.

Millions now regard the media as ideologues who are masquerading as journalists and use press privileges and power to pursue agendas not dissimilar to those of the candidates and parties they oppose.

Even before Nixon and Agnew, conservatives believed this.

At the Goldwater convention at the Cow Palace in 1964 when ex-President Eisenhower mentioned “sensation-seeking columnists and commentators,” to his amazement, the hall exploded.

Enter The Donald.

His popularity is traceable to the fact that he rejects the moral authority of the media, breaks their commandments and mocks their condemnations. His contempt for the norms of political correctness is daily on display.

And that large slice of America that detests a media whose public approval now rivals that of Congress relishes this defiance. The last thing these folks want Trump to do is to apologize to the press.

And the media have played right into Trump’s hand.

They constantly denounce him as grossly insensitive for what he has said about women, Mexicans, Muslims, McCain and a reporter with a disability. Such crimes against decency, says the press, disqualify Trump as a candidate for president.

Yet, when they demand he apologize, Trump doubles down. And when they demand that Republicans repudiate him, the GOP base replies:

“Who are you to tell us whom we may nominate? You are not friends. You are not going to vote for us. And the names you call Trump – bigot, racist, xenophobe, sexist – are the names you call us, nothing but cuss words that a corrupt establishment uses on those it most detests.”

What the Trump campaign reveals is that, to populists and Republicans, the political establishment and its media arm are looked upon the way the commons and peasantry of 1789 looked upon the ancien regime and the king’s courtiers at Versailles.

Yet, now that the fourth estate is as discredited as the clergy in 1789, the larger problem is that there is no arbiter of truth, morality and decency left whom we all respect. Like fourth-century Romans, we barely agree on what those terms mean anymore."

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/12/why-liberal-media-hate-trump/#rdOVrIHTBbZkJhrU.99

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on December 05, 2015, 10:30:25 PM

Harlem for Trump

Pro Family Harlem Black Pastor launches pro Trump campaign

Looks like straight Black Men not all too happy to vote for the malignant SJW cant understand normal thinking Hitlery.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on December 07, 2015, 09:48:59 AM

Trump's world map. Pretty funny I thought..........

http://www.boredpanda.com/donald-trump-world-map/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on December 08, 2015, 02:59:35 PM

Quote from: Manny on December 07, 2015, 09:48:59 AM

Trump's world map. Pretty funny I thought..........

http://www.boredpanda.com/donald-trump-world-map/

+1 As a big Trump Supporter the Map was Humorous but Scotland should also be labeled Golf as he has resorts there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on December 08, 2015, 03:00:07 PM

Not sure if we can wait another 13 months until Mr. Trump might be sworn in ... unfortunately for the economy this negative news will just give Trump a greater chance as he has already published his economic recovery plan:

Peter Schiff Warns: “The Whole Economy Has Imploded… Collapse Is Coming”
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/pe...g_12062015

A short and to the point read. Shades of 2008 all over again.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on December 08, 2015, 03:11:57 PM

Nuff said MoFos...

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on December 08, 2015, 09:32:34 PM

LOL While the MSM and Obamunists scream bloody murder over the bloody murdering Islamists and Trump coming out strong against them he is up 3 consolidated HoePost points in one day:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-gop-primary#!

TRUMP 41% CRUZ 7% RUBIO 10% CARSON 12% BUSH 5% CHRISTIE 3% FIORINA 2% KASICH 2% RAND PAUL 2%

Morning Consult NEW! 12/3 - 12/7 865 RV 41 7 10 12 5 3 2

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on December 09, 2015, 01:32:58 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on December 08, 2015, 03:11:57 PM

Nuff said MoFos...

(Attachment Link)

sorry for :offtopic:

a philosophical question (sort of) : what's this with Western female politicians wearing hijabs? why negate our own culture and traditions, to make some radical cretens feel better about their pseudo-religion and retarded customs? mind you, your Hillary is great in comparison to Serbian's Maja Gojkovic, speaker of the parliament (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maja_Gojkovi%C4%87 ), who went fully covered to Iran... It's humiliating to see a representative of a national conservative political party like that. Protocol is one thing, and to wear a loose scarf is a must, it's compulsory, but to wear al-amira (two scarfs , to make sure neck is fully covered and not even a single hair hangs loose)? :eeekk: why?! most Persian women find it too radical and many fight to get rid of this horrible tradition imposed on them, and there you have a presumably liberated European female politician sending out a message like that?!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on December 09, 2015, 01:39:32 AM

Any woman who wears a hijab proudly, or even to 'please customs' should not do so without having seen the movie 'not without my daughter' , the tale of an american wife who ended up neck-deep in islam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Without_My_Daughter

I've seen it, asked around. And despite 'criticism' it does a pretty good job of portraying life behind the hajib.

Anonymous Iranian woman about western women wearing the headscarf (deliberatly she avoided the word hajib):
Those who get the freedom to choose and do not choose freedom, are despicable.

Mark.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on December 09, 2015, 04:03:30 AM

Quote from: Markje on December 09, 2015, 01:39:32 AM

Any woman who wears a hijab proudly, or even to 'please customs' should not do so without having seen the movie 'not without my daughter' , the tale of an american wife who ended up neck-deep in islam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_Without_My_Daughter

I've seen it, asked around. And despite 'criticism' it does a pretty good job of portraying life behind the hajib.

Anonymous Iranian woman about western women wearing the headscarf (deliberatly she avoided the word hajib):
Those who get the freedom to choose and do not choose freedom, are despicable.

Mark.

I agree, Mark. I read Betty Mahmoody's book.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on December 10, 2015, 05:08:30 AM

Trump - Ban Muslims from US
UK public - You can't ban people!
Trump - I'm coming to Britain
UK public - Ban him!
Oh the irony..... :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on December 10, 2015, 09:46:31 AM

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Difficult to argue with that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AKA Luke on December 10, 2015, 11:35:31 AM

It does make me laugh. All this 'clamping down' and getting tough on extremism in Europe since the Paris attacks.

Too much softy softy left wing box ticking and being scared of offending anyone is the cause of this.

Put up or go back to your mud hut with your 2nd cousin.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on December 10, 2015, 01:17:36 PM

Important New Petition to SAVE ENGLAND and Preserve SCOTS/ANGLO/SAXONS culture and heritage. Effing Brilliant Mates... Cheerios etc etc

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on December 10, 2015, 02:48:52 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on December 10, 2015, 01:17:36 PM

Important New Petition to SAVE ENGLAND and Preserve SCOTS/ANGLO/SAXONS culture and heritage. Effing Brilliant Mates... Cheerios etc etc

That is actually pretty funny Cuffy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AKA Luke on December 10, 2015, 04:55:41 PM

Quote from: Manny on December 10, 2015, 02:48:52 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on December 10, 2015, 01:17:36 PM
Important New Petition to SAVE ENGLAND and Preserve SCOTS/ANGLO/SAXONS culture and heritage. Effing Brilliant Mates... Cheerios etc etc

That is actually pretty funny Cuffy.

:)

Nice Crimea book on the bookshelf too

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 11, 2015, 10:58:42 PM

I stay away from US political threads as I KNOW B'ALL about the contenders ..but Trump ..

He has obviously decided the 'way to win' is to promise stuff he can never deliver.

I wouldn't ban him - I'd just suggest we build refugee camps on his golf courses, in the UK

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 14, 2015, 07:35:57 AM

Don't worry about Trump. He's on his way out . . . . . . . . .

Now TRAILING Cruz in Iowa by 10 points.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 14, 2015, 08:24:24 AM

I'm thinking Trump entered to help Cruz win the nomination.
They have been avoiding direct confrontation, and this has helped Cruz immensely.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on December 15, 2015, 01:51:17 PM

Regarding Iowa the real spread is about one point within the margin of error except for one highly biased anti-trump organization poll:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-iowa-presidential-republican-primary

Nationwide including independent and GOP voters - the real base Mr. Trump is ahead by true leaps and bounds.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-gop-primary#!

Note this is a compilation of currently tracking 238 polls from 33 pollsters including most recent:

POLLSTER   DATES   POP.   TRUMP   CRUZ   RUBIO   CARSON   BUSH   CHRISTIE   KASICH
ABC/Post NEW!   12/10 - 12/13   362 RV   38   15   12   12   5   4   2   2   1   1   1   0   0   -   -   -   -   6
Monmouth University   12/10 - 12/13   385 RV   41   14   10   9   3   2   3   2   2   2

The term to apply to Mr. Trump is that his campaign is both surging and rocketing past the remainder of the field AFTER his call to ban Muslim radicals from the USA!

Everything will be right again in the world or at least the USA in January 2017 ...

EU will still be phocked and getting worse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on December 15, 2015, 03:08:48 PM

Something from Rich Karlgaard, publisher of (what used to be the best in USA) business magazine Forbes, about what a "real American" is about:

Quote

Let me reaffirm, before I answer, that I am 100% for the idea that America is primarily about ideas and aspiration and accomplishment, not soil or blood. So I'm pro-immigrant, pro-trade, pro-meritocracy, pro-Silicon Valley, anti-Trump, etc.The blood and soil view -- which I understand, but don't endorse -- is held by Americans whose relatives fought in our great wars, shed blood, defended the country, worked hard ... but for some reason today can't or won't keep up with economic/technological/cultural change. America is not unique in this divide. In Malaysia, there is a phrase "bumiputera" -- " sons of the soil" for people who are (1) basically good, but (2) can't or won't keep up. Trump's supporters are largely the American bumiputera.

It's what the brown-nosers to the 1% really think of Americans. Not able to keep up? Just die already.

How it could be, that America survived for the 40+ years when there was 0.0% immigration into the country, while designing and building great airplanes and inventing all sorts of new things, including the Saturn V rocket, nuclear submarines, etc. he doesn't seem to want to address.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on December 15, 2015, 04:55:50 PM

Quote from: Slumba on December 15, 2015, 03:08:48 PM

Something from Rich Karlgaard, publisher of (what used to be the best in USA) business magazine Forbes, about what a "real American" is about:

Quote
Let me reaffirm, before I answer, that I am 100% for the idea that America is primarily about ideas and aspiration and accomplishment, not soil or blood. So I'm pro-immigrant, pro-trade, pro-meritocracy, pro-Silicon Valley, anti-Trump, etc.The blood and soil view -- which I understand, but don't endorse -- is held by Americans whose relatives fought in our great wars, shed blood, defended the country, worked hard ... but for some reason today can't or won't keep up with economic/technological/cultural change. America is not unique in this divide. In Malaysia, there is a phrase "bumiputera" -- " sons of the soil" for people who are (1) basically good, but (2) can't or won't keep up. Trump's supporters are largely the American bumiputera.

It's what the brown-nosers to the 1% really think of Americans. Not able to keep up? Just die already.

How it could be, that America survived for the 40+ years when there was 0.0% immigration into the country, while designing and building great airplanes and inventing all sorts of new things, including the Saturn V rocket, nuclear submarines, etc. he doesn't seem to want to address.

bolding above mine

Slumba which 40 years are you referring to when "there was 0.0% immigration into the country"? The US has always had lots of immigration. After WW2 there was immigration from Europe, not just from US allied countries but also from Germany and Italy. Later there was immigration from Japan, China and other Asian countries.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 15, 2015, 05:17:37 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on December 15, 2015, 04:55:50 PM

Quote from: Slumba on December 15, 2015, 03:08:48 PM
Something from Rich Karlgaard, publisher of (what used to be the best in USA) business magazine Forbes, about what a "real American" is about:

Quote
Let me reaffirm, before I answer, that I am 100% for the idea that America is primarily about ideas and aspiration and accomplishment, not soil or blood. So I'm pro-immigrant, pro-trade, pro-meritocracy, pro-Silicon Valley, anti-Trump, etc.The blood and soil view -- which I understand, but don't endorse -- is held by Americans whose relatives fought in our great wars, shed blood, defended the country, worked hard ... but for some reason today can't or won't keep up with economic/technological/cultural change. America is not unique in this divide. In Malaysia, there is a phrase "bumiputera" -- " sons of the soil" for people who are (1) basically good, but (2) can't or won't keep up. Trump's supporters are largely the American bumiputera.

It's what the brown-nosers to the 1% really think of Americans. Not able to keep up? Just die already.

How it could be, that America survived for the 40+ years when there was 0.0% immigration into the country, while designing and building great airplanes and inventing all sorts of new things, including the Saturn V rocket, nuclear submarines, etc. he doesn't seem to want to address.
bolding above mine

Slumba which 40 years are you referring to when "there was 0.0% immigration into the country"? The US has always had lots of immigration. After WW2 there was immigration from Europe, not just from US allied countries but also from Germany and Italy. Later there was immigration from Japan, China and other Asian countries.

Westy , there was immigration but was limited to 2%
Immigration act 1924

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on December 15, 2015, 06:06:54 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on December 15, 2015, 04:55:50 PM

Quote from: Slumba on December 15, 2015, 03:08:48 PM
Something from Rich Karlgaard, publisher of (what used to be the best in USA) business magazine Forbes, about what a "real American" is about:

Quote
Let me reaffirm, before I answer, that I am 100% for the idea that America is primarily about ideas and aspiration and accomplishment, not soil or blood. So I'm pro-immigrant, pro-trade, pro-meritocracy, pro-Silicon Valley, anti-Trump, etc.The blood and soil view -- which I understand, but don't endorse -- is held by Americans whose relatives fought in our great wars, shed blood, defended the country, worked hard ... but for some reason today can't or won't keep up with economic/technological/cultural change. America is not unique in this divide. In Malaysia, there is a phrase "bumiputera" -- " sons of the soil" for people who are (1) basically good, but (2) can't or won't keep up. Trump's supporters are largely the American bumiputera.

It's what the brown-nosers to the 1% really think of Americans. Not able to keep up? Just die already.

How it could be, that America survived for the 40+ years when there was 0.0% immigration into the country, while designing and building great airplanes and inventing all sorts of new things, including the Saturn V rocket, nuclear submarines, etc. he doesn't seem to want to address.
bolding above mine

Slumba which 40 years are you referring to when "there was 0.0% immigration into the country"? The US has always had lots of immigration. After WW2 there was immigration from Europe, not just from US allied countries but also from Germany and Italy. Later there was immigration from Japan, China and other Asian countries.

1931 to 1970 (ok, 39 years) ... there was about the same immigration in those 40 years, than in 1981-1990 (and note that immigration figures might not include all the illegals, either, from the mid-80s onwards). And far less than has occurred since then.

(http://www.willisms.com/archives/immigrationtousa.gif)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on December 15, 2015, 06:12:58 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 15, 2015, 05:17:37 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on December 15, 2015, 04:55:50 PM
Quote from: Slumba on December 15, 2015, 03:08:48 PM
Something from Rich Karlgaard, publisher of (what used to be the best in USA) business magazine Forbes, about what a "real American" is about:

Quote
Let me reaffirm, before I answer, that I am 100% for the idea that America is primarily about ideas and aspiration and accomplishment, not soil or blood. So I'm pro-immigrant, pro-trade, pro-meritocracy, pro-Silicon Valley, anti-Trump, etc.The blood and soil view -- which I understand, but don't endorse -- is held by Americans whose relatives fought in our great wars, shed blood, defended the country, worked hard ... but for some reason today can't or won't keep up with economic/technological/cultural change. America is not unique in this divide. In Malaysia, there is a phrase "bumiputera" -- " sons of the soil" for people who are (1) basically good, but (2) can't or won't keep up. Trump's supporters are largely the American bumiputera.

It's what the brown-nosers to the 1% really think of Americans. Not able to keep up? Just die already.

How it could be, that America survived for the 40+ years when there was 0.0% immigration into the country, while designing and building great airplanes and inventing all sorts of new things, including the Saturn V rocket, nuclear submarines, etc. he doesn't seem to want to address.
bolding above mine

Slumba which 40 years are you referring to when "there was 0.0% immigration into the country"? The US has always had lots of immigration. After WW2 there was immigration from Europe, not just from US allied countries but also from Germany and Italy. Later there was immigration from Japan, China and other Asian countries.

Westy , there was immigration but was limited to 2%
Immigration act 1924

Two percent is well above 0%. In addition, the Immigration Act of 1924 was mostly but not exclusively done to curtail immigration from Asia. The Act also did nothing about illegal immigration from Mexico. From the Act:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

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The Act controlled "undesirable" immigration by establishing quotas. The Act barred specific origins from the Asia–Pacific Triangle, which included Japan, China, the Philippines (then under U.S. control), Siam (Thailand), French Indochina (Laos, Vietnam, and Cambodia), Singapore (then a British colony), Korea, the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia), Burma (Myanmar), India, Ceylon (Sri Lanka) and Malaya (mainland part of Malaysia).[16] Based on the Naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1870, only people of white or African descent were eligible for naturalization, and the Act forbade further immigration of any persons ineligible to be naturalized.[16] The Act set no limits on immigration from Latin American countries.[17]

In the 10 years following 1900, about 200,000 Italians immigrated annually. With the imposition of the 1924 quota, 4,000 per year were allowed. By contrast, the annual quota for Germany after the passage of the Act was over 57,000. Some 86% of the 155,000 permitted to enter under the Act were from Northern European countries, with Germany (including Poles; see: Partitions of Poland), Britain, and Ireland having the highest quotas. The new quotas for immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe[where?] were so restrictive that in 1924 there were more Italians, Czechs, Yugoslavs, Greeks, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Portuguese, Romanians, Spaniards, Jews, Chinese, and Japanese that left the United States than those who arrived as immigrants.[18]

The quotas remained in place with minor alterations until the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

Edit: Slumba your own figures show that the only time immigration slowed was during the Great Depression and during WW2 and for a few years after the war. There was never a time of zero immigration to the US.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 15, 2015, 08:26:32 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on December 15, 2015, 06:12:58 PM

There was never a time of zero immigration to the US.

You haven't done your research. During the early 1930s, more people were emigrating from the U.S. than immigrated to it for a net loss.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on December 15, 2015, 08:57:36 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 15, 2015, 08:26:32 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on December 15, 2015, 06:12:58 PM
There was never a time of zero immigration to the US.

You haven't done your research. During the early 1930s, more people were emigrating from the U.S. than immigrated to it for a net loss.

That would be emigration not immigration, or perhaps net migration but not immigration.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on December 16, 2015, 12:22:49 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on December 15, 2015, 06:12:58 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 15, 2015, 05:17:37 PM
Quote from: WestCoast on December 15, 2015, 04:55:50 PM
Quote from: Slumba on December 15, 2015, 03:08:48 PM
Something from Rich Karlgaard, publisher of (what used to be the best in USA) business magazine Forbes, about what a "real American" is about:

Quote
Let me reaffirm, before I answer, that I am 100% for the idea that America is primarily about ideas and aspiration and accomplishment, not soil or blood. So I'm pro-immigrant, pro-trade, pro-meritocracy, pro-Silicon Valley, anti-Trump, etc.The blood and soil view -- which I understand, but don't endorse -- is held by Americans whose relatives fought in our great wars, shed blood, defended the country, worked hard ... but for some reason today can't or won't keep up with economic/technological/cultural change. America is not unique in this divide. In Malaysia, there is a phrase "bumiputera" -- " sons of the soil" for people who are (1) basically good, but (2) can't or won't keep up. Trump's supporters are largely the American bumiputera.

It's what the brown-nosers to the 1% really think of Americans. Not able to keep up? Just die already.

How it could be, that America survived for the 40+ years when there was 0.0% immigration into the country, while designing and building great airplanes and inventing all sorts of new things, including the Saturn V rocket, nuclear submarines, etc. he doesn't seem to want to address.
bolding above mine

Slumba which 40 years are you referring to when "there was 0.0% immigration into the country"? The US has always had lots of immigration. After WW2 there was immigration from Europe, not just from US allied countries but also from Germany and Italy. Later there was immigration from Japan, China and other Asian countries.

Westy , there was immigration but was limited to 2%
Immigration act 1924

Two percent is well above 0%. In addition, the Immigration Act of 1924 was mostly but not exclusively done to curtail immigration from Asia. The Act also did nothing about illegal immigration from Mexico. From the Act:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

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The Act controlled "undesirable" immigration by establishing quotas. The Act barred specific origins from the Asia–Pacific Triangle, which included Japan, China, the Philippines (then under U.S. control), Siam (Thailand), French Indochina (Laos, Vietnam, and Cambodia), Singapore (then a British colony), Korea, the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia), Burma (Myanmar), India, Ceylon (Sri Lanka) and Malaya (mainland part of Malaysia).[16] Based on the Naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1870, only people of white or African descent were eligible for naturalization, and the Act forbade further immigration of any persons ineligible to be naturalized.[16] The Act set no limits on immigration from Latin American countries.[17]

In the 10 years following 1900, about 200,000 Italians immigrated annually. With the imposition of the 1924 quota, 4,000 per year were allowed. By contrast, the annual quota for Germany after the passage of the Act was over 57,000. Some 86% of the 155,000 permitted to enter under the Act were from Northern European countries, with Germany (including Poles; see: Partitions of Poland), Britain, and Ireland having the highest quotas. The new quotas for immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe[where?] were so restrictive that in 1924 there were more Italians, Czechs, Yugoslavs, Greeks, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Portuguese, Romanians, Spaniards, Jews, Chinese, and Japanese that left the United States than those who arrived as immigrants.[18]

The quotas remained in place with minor alterations until the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

Edit: Slumba your own figures show that the only time immigration slowed was during the Great Depression and during WW2 and for a few years after the war. There was never a time of zero immigration to the US.

USA population 1930 was 123.1 million .
USA population 1940 was 132.1 million .
USA population 1950 was 152.3 million .

1931-1940's 530K out of 132.1 million = 0.4 % ? Is my math right? That is over ten years! So divide that by ten and we have ... 0.04% .

If I want to be very technical, when rounding to 0.04% we do in fact get 0.0% over this ten year period (it is actually a little less than 0.04% , as we start 1931 with less than we finish with).

However I concede, my 0.0% was not accurate for the full time period I mentioned.

What I should have said was "virtually nil" or "very very small compared to both before and after those time periods both in net numbers and in immigration as a percentage of the existing population".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 16, 2015, 01:43:46 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on December 15, 2015, 08:57:36 PM

That would be emigration not immigration, or perhaps net migration but not immigration.

You are back-filling.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 17, 2015, 09:19:25 AM

Trump has made a positive impression with Putin.

Putin praises 'bright and talented' Trump

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/17/politics/russia-putin-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 17, 2015, 09:46:34 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 17, 2015, 09:19:25 AM

Trump has made a positive impression with Putin.

Putin praises 'bright and talented' Trump

Show how fragile Putin's grip on reality is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 17, 2015, 10:11:30 AM

^ You can't take CNN or FOX too seriously.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 17, 2015, 10:18:24 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 17, 2015, 10:11:30 AM

^ You can't take CNN or FOX too seriously.

Here's RT then.

Putin says ‘talented’ Trump is ‘absolute front-runner,’ welcomes pledge to work with Russia

https://www.rt.com/usa/326328-trump-russia-putin-relations/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 17, 2015, 10:46:23 AM

^ I suspect that he is stroking Trump because he wants Hillary to win... and he will get his wish because The Donald has single-handedly destroyed the GOP's chances of getting in the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 17, 2015, 11:38:26 AM

Quote from: Ste on December 17, 2015, 09:46:34 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 17, 2015, 09:19:25 AM
Trump has made a positive impression with Putin.

Putin praises 'bright and talented' Trump

Show how fragile Putin's grip on reality is.

You are way too sensible to actually believe the words you just typed there!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 17, 2015, 11:41:51 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 17, 2015, 11:38:26 AM

Quote from: Ste on December 17, 2015, 09:46:34 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 17, 2015, 09:19:25 AM
Trump has made a positive impression with Putin.

Putin praises 'bright and talented' Trump

Show how fragile Putin's grip on reality is.

You are way too sensible to actually believe the words you just typed there!

Was my poor attempt at stirring it up lol!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 17, 2015, 02:31:01 PM

It is interesting to note the manner in which Biden and Kerry are now accepting the Russian government and state's version of reality.

I think that you Ste, even as a stiring old Queen, knows about this stuff already. For that reason your heart wasn't in it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on December 17, 2015, 07:11:38 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 17, 2015, 10:46:23 AM

^ I suspect that he is stroking Trump because he wants Hillary to win... and he will get his wish because The Donald has single-handedly destroyed the GOP's chances of getting in the White House.

I vehemently disagree and am surprised that you would make such a bad calculation. Putin despises Hillary Clinton as she despises him. Keep in mind it was H. Clinton who was proud of the regime change in Libya and H. Clinton who wanted the same in Syria.

Trump has often stated that regime change in the ME has been a colossal failure of US foreign policy (re-visit his prophetic comments on Iraq if you wish to) and he has also stated a willingness to work with Putin.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on December 17, 2015, 07:15:05 PM

According to Breitbart Trump won the last Republican debate, but our "bubble dumb" media doesn't get it. What's new; the liberal left-wing media is still regurgitating PC garbage and we see the usual left-wingers on this forum still dismissing Trump.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/16/trump-wins-the-debate-as-our-bubble-dumb-media-swoons-over-lindsey-and-jeb/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 17, 2015, 11:56:53 PM

Having read what he actually said much of the foregoing discussion is rendered a little silly.

His comments were strictly factual - no rational observer doubts that Trump's polling numbers clearly suggest that he is a front runner for the role of US president - and no more than sensible politeness in respect of future relationships. After all, the president of the Russian Federation is unlikely to refer to any potential incumbent of the White House as a person he would refuse to do business with.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 18, 2015, 06:16:21 AM

Trump on Putin’s compliment: ‘Great honor

https://www.rt.com/news/326378-trump-putin-comment-honor/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on December 18, 2015, 09:25:29 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 17, 2015, 11:56:53 PM

Having read what he actually said much of the foregoing discussion is rendered a little silly.

His comments were strictly factual - no rational observer doubts that Trump's polling numbers clearly suggest that he is a front runner for the role of US president - and no more than sensible politeness in respect of future relationships. After all, the president of the Russian Federation is unlikely to refer to any potential incumbent of the White House as a person he would refuse to do business with.

He would not "refuse to do business with" Marco Rubio however I doubt if he cares for Rubio's labeling of Putin as a "gangster".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on December 18, 2015, 09:31:27 AM

Here's some red-meat for the pro-Putin people. Trump has repeatedly said that all the US efforts to enact regime changes in the Middle East have been foolish and costly, both in financial terms and in loss of human life and the war injuries to our veterans.

Anyone paying attention to this debate knows that several of the candidates believe that Assad must go. Obviously then we would have another bad situation like Libya where the worst of the worst takes over. Assad does give some stability to Syria and stability is something that both Trump and Putin believe in.

From the Breitbart link above (Trump said the following during the debate)

TRUMP: I think Assad is a bad guy, a very bad guy, all right? Lots of people killed. I think we are backing people we have no idea who they are. The rebels, we call them the rebels, the patriotic rebels. We have no idea. A lot of people think, Hugh, that they are ISIS.

We have to do one thing at a time. We can’t be fighting ISIS and fighting Assad. Assad is fighting ISIS. He is fighting ISIS. Russia is fighting now ISIS. And Iran is fighting ISIS.

We have to do one thing at a time. We can’t go — and I watched Lindsey Graham, he said, I have been here for 10 years fighting. Well, he will be there with that thinking for another 50 years. He won’t be able to solve the problem.

We have to get rid of ISIS first. After we get rid of ISIS, we’ll start thinking about it. But we can’t be fighting Assad. And when you’re fighting Assad, you are fighting Russia, you’re fighting — you’re fighting a lot of different groups.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on December 18, 2015, 09:48:44 AM

Trump sounds like a Democrat here, but in fact he and Ted Cruz and Rand Paul are all against the US led regime changes in the ME, which is why they are the best candidates to get along with Russia.

TRUMP: We have done a tremendous disservice, not only to Middle East, we’ve done a tremendous disservice to humanity. The people that have been killed, the people that have wiped away, and for what? It’s not like we had victory.

It’s a mess. The Middle East is totally destabilized. A total and complete mess. I wish we had the $4 trillion or $5 trillion. I wish it were spent right here in the United States, on our schools, hospitals, roads, airports, and everything else that are all falling apart.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on December 19, 2015, 01:55:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 14, 2015, 07:35:57 AM

Don't worry about Trump. He's on his way out . . . . . . . . .

Now TRAILING Cruz in Iowa by 10 points.

As usual you're dreaming. In the latest nationwide poll Trump comes in at 39% versus only 18% for Ted Cruz.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 20, 2015, 09:23:51 AM

Quote from: Anteros on December 19, 2015, 01:55:08 PM

As usual you're dreaming. In the latest nationwide poll Trump comes in at 39% versus only 18% for Ted Cruz.

can't wait for him to 'win' and be invited to London's no go areas ...

Saw this and thought OF THIS THREAD...

source.. ''the reasonable alliance''

''OPEN LETTER TO DONALD TRUMP

Dear Mr Trump

Given over half a million of my fellow UK citizens have this week signed an online petition to deny you entry to our lovely country I thought it only polite and neighbourly to drop you a line to give some perspective from this side of the pond.

Firstly, I'd like to say a big thank you for the heads up on the situation re the hot-beds of Islamic radicalism that have made parts of our capital a no go zone. This was timely and informative news, as I've still got some Christmas shopping to do, and God knows negotiating the checkout at John Lewis is stressful enough without the threat of imminent extinction by a terrorist cell .

I'm afraid you're going to have to help us out a bit here though since as far as we can tell neither our police, security forces or in fact any of the 8.5 million residents of the city have a scooby as to where exactly these no-go areas are. You obviously have an inside track on this, so if you'd care to share some further details on the exact locations of these vipers' nests of rampant extremism, I can assure you we'll all be sure to give those areas a wide berth for the foreseeable future.

We can perhaps also arrange to send some burly, red-cheeked bobbies around there who I'm sure will be able to defuse the situation over a nice pot of tea and some biscuits. Perhaps some custard creams. Or bourbons.

Unfortunately I have to say that the whole excluding Muslims thing hasn't gone down all that well over here. Sure we recognise there are a few bad apples, but I feel that on the whole, whichever faith you are, we all rub along pretty well on this side of the pond barring some occasional heated disagreements over the application of the offside rule (you'll have to Google that) and some of the more erratic judging decisions in the Bake-Off semis (That Mary Berry has a heart of stone, I tell you).

Now I realise you're a very busy and important man, and it can be hard to keep a handle on all the minor details, but at this point I hope you'll forgive me if I bring up some statistics, which as a long time supporter of the NRA, I'm sure you'll be aware of. As I understand it, last year over twelve and a half thousand US citizens were killed in gunshot homicides – that's 4 times as many people as were killed on 911, and that figure has been pretty consistent for the last 15 years.

In the last 12 months there have been over 300 mass shootings in your country, of which to my knowledge only the most recent was allegedly committed by Islamic extremists.

I'm afraid you'll have to excuse our ignorance on this subject – we don't have many guns over here, and last year we had a paltry 40 or so deaths by gunshot – so we are somewhat behind the ball in this game, but having “done the math”, I'd say that those figures suggest that Americans with guns are a far, far bigger threat to homeland security than Islamic terrorism. Just a thought but you may want to take a closer look at that at some point.

Now here's a funny thing, which I'm sure will make you laugh– a lot of people over here saw your tweets thanking a respected columnist called Katie Hopkins for her support, and believe it or not they actually thought you were referring to that Katie Hopkins who works for the Daily Mail.

You know the one – mad hair, reptilian eyes, lacks all basic human emotions, has the compassion and empathy of a bucket of cold sick, makes cheap political capital out of dead refugee kids and achieves a level of moral :censored: wittery that beggars all mortal belief. Not very popular over here I'm afraid to say. I'm sure your Katie is not at all like that at all and is absolutely lovely but you can see how these misunderstandings happen.

Talking of misunderstandings, believe me when I say I understand more than most just how messy things can get after a night on the Guinness, but I'd be remiss at this point not to make you aware that your involvement in a Sinn Fein fundraising event back in 1995, at a time when said organisation was the de facto political wing of the Provisional IRA may still be construed by some sections of the British public as being just a teensy-weensy little bit supportive of terrorism targeted against our fair isle, particularly as the IRA went on to break the ceasefire just four months later, bombing our major financial centre with the loss of 2 lives. Don't get me wrong – water under the bridge etc, and we are all good buddies now- I only mention this in passing as I'd hate for you to be accused of having double standards.

I'd like to close by commending you on your continued strong Christian belief and wishing you and your family all best wishes for the forthcoming festive season in a year when that ageless story of a young, Middle Eastern family seeking sanctuary from a repressive regime is perhaps even more relevant than usual.

Best regards''

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 20, 2015, 10:19:06 AM

Quote from: Anteros on December 19, 2015, 01:55:08 PM

As usual you're dreaming. In the latest nationwide poll Trump comes in at 39% versus only 18% for Ted Cruz.

You keep forgetting that 60% of the USA general electorate WILL NOT VOTE FOR TRUMP under any circumstances. The more firmly these ignoramuses who support Trump dig in and yield to their prejudices by backing an unelectable candidate, the more certain Hillary will be the next President.

I understand expressing frustration; but doing to the point of committing hari kari defies good sense.

Latest FOX poll: National Results: Hillary 49 Trump 38. Open you eyes.

If Republicans are stupid enough to make Trump their candidate, I won't vote in November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 20, 2015, 10:49:07 AM

Quote from: Anteros on December 19, 2015, 01:55:08 PM

As usual you're dreaming. In the latest nationwide poll Trump comes in at 39% versus only 18% for Ted Cruz.

You should bear in mind that a wide gap in a primary does not necessarily translate to a plurality in a general election. Here is a better barometer:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on December 20, 2015, 11:29:35 AM

Quote from: shakespear on December 20, 2015, 10:19:06 AM

Quote from: Anteros on December 19, 2015, 01:55:08 PM
As usual you're dreaming. In the latest nationwide poll Trump comes in at 39% versus only 18% for Ted Cruz.

You keep forgetting that 60% of the USA general electorate WILL NOT VOTE FOR TRUMP under any circumstances. The more firmly these ignoramuses who support Trump dig in and yield to their prejudices by backing an unelectable candidate, the more certain Hillary will be the next President.

I understand expressing frustration; but doing to the point of committing hari kari defies good sense.

Latest FOX poll: National Results: Hillary 49 Trump 38. Open you eyes.

If Republicans are stupid enough to make Trump their candidate, I won't vote in November.

Would you like to double down on our bet? Currently you gave me 30 to 1 odds on only a $10.00 (ten US dollars).

I will be happy to double it and now bet my $20.00 versus your $600.00. We are still betting that Trump will win the Republican nomination.

I will also give you a side bet of $10.00 that Trump will be the next President of the USA, if you will give me 50 to 1 odds on this bet.

IOW put your money where your mouth is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on December 20, 2015, 11:37:14 AM

Quote from: shakespear on December 20, 2015, 10:19:06 AM

Quote from: Anteros on December 19, 2015, 01:55:08 PM
As usual you're dreaming. In the latest nationwide poll Trump comes in at 39% versus only 18% for Ted Cruz.

If Republicans are stupid enough to make Trump their candidate, I won't vote in November.

PS...Yes you will. Deep down you would much rather vote for a pro-business winner like Trump versus a whiney "liberal" loser like Hillary.

Furthermore I reject your claim that Trump is a bigot, etc. blah blah blah. He cares about all Americans here legally.

You and the rest of the PC crowd are in for a real shock when you realize how much of a tidal wave is coming. Americans are sick of "PC" and we especially are sick of the media and those like you who take what he's really saying out of context.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 20, 2015, 12:56:09 PM

Quote from: Anteros on December 20, 2015, 11:29:35 AM

IOW put your money where your mouth is.

You want 30-1 odds on the favorite?

Pashyol ty

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 20, 2015, 01:00:00 PM

Quote from: Anteros on December 20, 2015, 11:37:14 AM

PS...Yes you will. Deep down you would much rather vote for a pro-business winner like Trump versus a whiney "liberal" loser like Hillary.

No I won't and neither will approximately 20% of voters who regular vote Republican.

I won't vote at all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on December 20, 2015, 01:56:48 PM

Quote from: Anteros on December 20, 2015, 11:37:14 AM

Quote from: shakespear on December 20, 2015, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from: Anteros on December 19, 2015, 01:55:08 PM
As usual you're dreaming. In the latest nationwide poll Trump comes in at 39% versus only 18% for Ted Cruz.

If Republicans are stupid enough to make Trump their candidate, I won't vote in November.

PS...Yes you will. Deep down you would much rather vote for a pro-business winner like Trump versus a whiney "liberal" loser like Hillary.

Furthermore I reject your claim that Trump is a bigot, etc. blah blah blah. He cares about all Americans here legally.

You and the rest of the PC crowd are in for a real shock when you realize how much of a tidal wave is coming. Americans are sick of "PC" and we especially are sick of the media and those like you who take what he's really saying out of context.

Having met Shakey, I can tell you that he is about as un-PC as they come.

I think like most Americans, he is only interested that someone with the right skill set gets the big seat.

I like Trump and a lot of what he says, but he does make stuff up on the fly, and if he were ever to be president he will have a hard time doing what he said he would do. But he couldn't be any worse than the last few you have had.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 20, 2015, 08:23:56 PM

I watched this phone interview this morning. George Stephanopoulos tried to get Trump to slip up, but Trump defended his new found friend.

Trump defends Putin on journo deaths, asks media to 'prove it'

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-defends-putin-journo-deaths-asks-media-prove-190023945.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 20, 2015, 10:16:11 PM

Quote from: Anteros on December 20, 2015, 11:37:14 AM

You and the rest of the PC crowd are in for a real shock when you realize how much of a tidal wave is coming. Americans are sick of "PC" and we especially are sick of the media and those like you who take what he's really saying out of context.

I'm going to save this post so that I can remind you what you wrote after the election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on December 21, 2015, 01:27:19 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 20, 2015, 10:16:11 PM

Quote from: Anteros on December 20, 2015, 11:37:14 AM
You and the rest of the PC crowd are in for a real shock when you realize how much of a tidal wave is coming. Americans are sick of "PC" and we especially are sick of the media and those like you who take what he's really saying out of context.

I'm going to save this post so that I can remind you what you wrote after the election.

Please do. Remember how bad Reagan beat Jimmy Carter?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on December 21, 2015, 02:10:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 20, 2015, 12:56:09 PM

Quote from: Anteros on December 20, 2015, 11:29:35 AM
IOW put your money where your mouth is.

You want 30-1 odds on the favorite?

Pashyol ty

Let's wait and see who the final two are and then we can talk odds on a new bet for who will win it all.

First of course you will need to pay me the $300.00 that you are indeed going to be owing me and I expect payment within 24 hours via paypal: I don't think that's asking too much.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on December 21, 2015, 02:20:45 PM

Quote from: Manny on December 20, 2015, 01:56:48 PM

Quote from: Anteros on December 20, 2015, 11:37:14 AM
Quote from: shakespear on December 20, 2015, 10:19:06 AM
Quote from: Anteros on December 19, 2015, 01:55:08 PM
As usual you're dreaming. In the latest nationwide poll Trump comes in at 39% versus only 18% for Ted Cruz.

If Republicans are stupid enough to make Trump their candidate, I won't vote in November.

PS...Yes you will. Deep down you would much rather vote for a pro-business winner like Trump versus a whiney "liberal" loser like Hillary.

Furthermore I reject your claim that Trump is a bigot, etc. blah blah blah. He cares about all Americans here legally.

You and the rest of the PC crowd are in for a real shock when you realize how much of a tidal wave is coming. Americans are sick of "PC" and we especially are sick of the media and those like you who take what he's really saying out of context.

Having met Shakey, I can tell you that he is about as un-PC as they come.

I think like most Americans, he is only interested that someone with the right skill set gets the big seat.

I like Trump and a lot of what he says, but he does make stuff up on the fly, and if he were ever to be president he will have a hard time doing what he said he would do. But he couldn't be any worse than the last few you have had.

Shakey's statements so far in this thread and in the past show that he is more or less a RINO and Rino's are very bad for the economy of this country.

If fact Shakespear's liking John Kasich shows a poor knowledge of what it takes to have the best economy in the USA.

Kasich is the epitome of a mealy-mouthed two-faced politician who already stated that if another 2008 happened he would again approve bailing out the same Wall Street criminals who caused the World-wide collapse back then.

Wall Street criminal types will keep on putting their own criminal interests above what is best for America and the World at large as long as they've got a Kasich or Hillary Clinton in their pocket.

The US economy and indeed any economy in the World works best when banks will make loans to small business owners which has not been happening here in about a decade due to endemic corruption: printing of easy money--unholy alliances between Republicans and Democrats which allow it, unholy alliances between Pres's Bush Jr. AND Obama with Wall Street.

Even Wiz understands the corruption and problems of such unholy alliances however they are not "Jewish cabals" per se they are just cabals, which of course includes the MIC and "endless war".

Trump has come out against the easy money of the Fed Reserve and against the abuses of Wall Street manipulators.

He speaks his mind and does not hold back -- please tell me 1 other candidate with Trumps outstanding negotiating skills and business acumen? You can't do it.

PS "de dollarization" may yet happen but not due to Russian or Chinese strength -- due to corrupt US politicians who sold their souls and the future of this country for "power".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 21, 2015, 02:38:12 PM

Quote from: Anteros on December 21, 2015, 02:20:45 PM

If fact Shakespear's liking John Kasich shows a poor knowledge of what it takes to have the best economy in the USA.

But I know what it takes to win the Electoral College. The Republicans have NEVER won the White House WITHOUT winning Ohio. What better way to capture Ohio that to put an extremely popular Ohio Governor who won re-election by 27% in 2014 on the lower half of the ticket?

Quote from: Anteros on December 21, 2015, 02:20:45 PM

He speaks his mind and does not hold back -- please tell me 1 other candidate with Trumps outstanding negotiating skills and business acumen? You can't do it.

{sigh} What you and the other lunatic Trump supporters fail to realize is that any accomplishments Trump might have achieved came as a result of him working for himself. While those skills might make a good KING, they don't necessarily make for a good PRESIDENT of a DEMOCRACY with Constitutional checks and balances.

Personally I think Obama's greatest crime is his expansion of Presidential Powers by use of Executive Orders. His expansion in this area have been unconstitutional and have made a mockery of the founding principles of our country.

What to you think a megalomaniac like Trump would do when the Congress or Supreme Court stood up to what he wanted to do? What did he do when this happened in corporate life? He did his best to squash them like a bug and bully them to get his own way. Is this the kind of personality you want sitting with his finger on the nuclear launch codes?

My greatest fear with a potential Trump Presidency would be an out of control leader, expanding on Obama's use of Executive orders in order to do what he wanted, in spite of the Constitution, virtually exercising Presidential powers king like. That is why I would NEVER vote for Trump as President of the United States.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on December 21, 2015, 04:22:33 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 21, 2015, 02:38:12 PM

Quote from: Anteros on December 21, 2015, 02:20:45 PM
If fact Shakespear's liking John Kasich shows a poor knowledge of what it takes to have the best economy in the USA.

But I know what it takes to win the Electoral College. The Republicans have NEVER won the White House WITHOUT winning Ohio. What better way to capture Ohio that to put an extremely popular Ohio Governor who won re-election by 27% in 2014 on the lower half of the ticket?

Quote from: Anteros on December 21, 2015, 02:20:45 PM
He speaks his mind and does not hold back -- please tell me 1 other candidate with Trumps outstanding negotiating skills and business acumen? You can't do it.

{sigh} What you and the other lunatic Trump supporters fail to realize is that any accomplishments Trump might have achieved came as a result of him working for himself. While those skills might make a good KING, they don't necessarily make for a good PRESIDENT of a DEMOCRACY with Constitutional checks and balances.

Personally I think Obama's greatest crime is his expansion of Presidential Powers by use of Executive Orders. His expansion in this area have been unconstitutional and have made a mockery of the founding principles of our country.

What to you think a megalomaniac like Trump would do when the Congress or Supreme Court stood up to what he wanted to do? What did he do when this happened in corporate life? He did his best to squash them like a bug and bully them to get his own way. Is this the kind of personality you want sitting with his finger on the nuclear launch codes?

My greatest fear with a potential Trump Presidency would be an out of control leader, expanding on Obama's use of Executive orders in order to do what he wanted, in spite of the Constitution, virtually exercising Presidential powers king like. That is why I would NEVER vote for Trump as President of the United States.

Yep, you're a RINO and you talk like a Jeb Bush fan. Yawn. Trump is far more balanced than you give him credit for. He loves his family, he loves this country and contrary to your assertions he is not the type to bypass Congress as you claim.

He will do what's best for this country and you should not fear him having Nuclear launch codes. Bush Jr. was far more dangerous than what you try to project onto Trump.

My advice to you is stop saying you would NEVER vote for Trump. Wait and see how he brings the party together after he wins the nomination.

PS I agree 100% with your assertions about Obama and his extensive abuse of power but than you go and say you support a guy like Kasich who already admitted he would allow another bailout. As I'm sure you know Ted Cruz eviscerated him for that statement.

Trump/Cruz 2016 sounds pretty good to me. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on December 21, 2015, 04:43:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 21, 2015, 02:38:12 PM

The Republicans have NEVER won the White House WITHOUT winning Ohio.

May I ask why that is? I there a statistical reason for this that marks it as a harbinger of what can happen? Or is it just like Labour getting Manchester traditionally? (Which didn't stop Cameron winning a General Election).

Quote from: shakespear on December 21, 2015, 02:38:12 PM

Is this the kind of personality you want sitting with his finger on the nuclear launch codes?

I might be wrong, but its a fair bet there is a whole mechanism that would prevent their irresponsible use; I doubt he would carry them around in his top pocket.

Were that the case, maniacs like Pyatt, Cheney and Nuland would have found a way to drop one on Moscow long before now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on December 21, 2015, 04:56:39 PM

Quote from: Manny on December 21, 2015, 04:43:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 21, 2015, 02:38:12 PM
The Republicans have NEVER won the White House WITHOUT winning Ohio.

May I ask why that is? I there a statistical reason for this that marks it as a harbinger of what can happen? Or is it just like Labour getting Manchester traditionally? (Which didn't stop Cameron winning a General Election).

Quote from: shakespear on December 21, 2015, 02:38:12 PM
Is this the kind of personality you want sitting with his finger on the nuclear launch codes?

I might be wrong, but its a fair bet there is a whole mechanism that would prevent their irresponsible use; I doubt he would carry them around in his top pocket.

Were that the case, maniacs like Pyatt, Cheney and Nuland would have found a way to drop one on Moscow long before now.

He shouldn't worry about Ohio. There's also NEVER been an outsider like Trump who shook the establishment to their core. The old dudes with deep pockets who controlled the Republican party are still in denial.

Bush Jr. was far more of a maniac than Trump and as you correctly mention -- nothing happened. Bush Jr. was a known hard core partier -- alcoholic and cocaine addict. Trump does not drink and apparently never had a reputation for such like Bush Jr. Cheney was also a maniac and the driving force behind the scenes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 21, 2015, 05:20:32 PM

Quote from: Manny on December 21, 2015, 04:43:59 PM

... I doubt he would carry them around in his top pocket.

A few of them did. There isn't much to prevent irresponsible use. The procedure requires the Secretary of Defense to verify the president's launch order but the SecDef is appointed by the president, subject to Senate confirmation hearings.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on December 21, 2015, 05:31:32 PM

Quote from: Manny on December 21, 2015, 04:43:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 21, 2015, 02:38:12 PM
The Republicans have NEVER won the White House WITHOUT winning Ohio.

May I ask why that is? I there a statistical reason for this that marks it as a harbinger of what can happen? Or is it just like Labour getting Manchester traditionally? (Which didn't stop Cameron winning a General Election).

It's complicated but here are some links. The USA is a Republic which in some ways was modeled on ancient Rome.

Presidential election can be won one way by popular vote but the other guy could still win if he gets the electoral vote.

http://www.270towin.com/states/Ohio

http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/INFORMATION/electcollege_history.php

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/what-is-the-electoral-college_n_2078970.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 21, 2015, 05:39:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 21, 2015, 02:38:12 PM

But I know what it takes to win the Electoral College. The Republicans have NEVER won the White House WITHOUT winning Ohio.

It doesn't matter. There are only seven toss-up states and, if he carries Florida, Ohio and Virginia, Trump still comes up short.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 21, 2015, 09:48:25 PM

Quote from: Anteros on December 21, 2015, 02:10:43 PM

First of course you will need to pay me the $300.00 that you are indeed going to be owing me and I expect payment within 24 hours via paypal: I don't think that's asking too much.

I always pay my debts.

I dont use paypal. If I do lose, I will send you a check once you give me your name and address that you want the check mailed to.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 21, 2015, 10:02:26 PM

Quote from: Manny on December 21, 2015, 04:43:59 PM

May I ask why that is? I there a statistical reason for this that marks it as a harbinger of what can happen? Or is it just like Labour getting Manchester traditionally? (Which didn't stop Cameron winning a General Election).

Its the way our Electoral College is structured. It's kinda complex to explain easily. Basically Republican strength lies in the lessly populated middle of the country while democrats are strong in the eastern and western urban areas. CA, NY, IL and PA almost always go to the democrat and with them 128 of the necessary 270 needed to elect a President are in the bag. The Republicans usually get TX with 34. So OH with 20 and FL with 27 MUST go to the Republicans in order to overcome their inherent advantage.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 21, 2015, 10:04:44 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 21, 2015, 05:39:18 PM

It doesn't matter. There are only seven toss-up states and, if he carries Florida, Ohio and Virginia, Trump still comes up short.

Not true.

If you take the map from the 2012 election, switch OH and FL from Dem to Republican, then the Republicans only need one more state (any of them) to reach 270

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on December 21, 2015, 10:42:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 21, 2015, 02:38:12 PM

My greatest fear with a potential Trump Presidency would be an out of control leader, expanding on Obama's use of Executive orders in order to do what he wanted, in spite of the Constitution, virtually exercising Presidential powers king like. That is why I would NEVER vote for Trump as President of the United States.

Now tell me why you think Hillary is going to be better?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 21, 2015, 10:44:56 PM

Quote from: Manny on December 21, 2015, 04:43:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 21, 2015, 02:38:12 PM
The Republicans have NEVER won the White House WITHOUT winning Ohio.

May I ask why that is? I there a statistical reason for this that marks it as a harbinger of what can happen? Or is it just like Labour getting Manchester traditionally? (Which didn't stop Cameron winning a General Election).

There are historical reasons, such as when the "Solid South" was Democratic. The GOP would have to stitch together the Mountain states, California and the Midwest to win. Indiana and Ohio trend more GOP than the rest of the midwest, so if a Republican is losing in Ohio, he's likely getting clobbered everywhere else.

In the more modern era, with a (mostly) solid GOP south and Dems ordinarily winning the East and West Coasts (and making inroads into the Mountain West: yes I'm looking at you, Colorado and New Mexico) it's becoming more and more difficult to win for the GOP in that there are fewer paths to victory. And Virginia and North Carolina have moved away from being solidly GOP.

So with the GOP having no chance in California or New York they have to win every one of their usual states plus basically every one of the toss ups to defeat the Big Blue Wall that shows up in presidential years. It's kind of the flip of the Reagan years when the GOP usually had the Senate and the Dems had a lock on the house.

Although the Tea Party is derided by Dems, they are also the reason that the GOP does not control the Senate. They primaried popular moderate Republicans (Mike Castle in Delaware and Sen. Richard Lugar in Indiana), costing the GOP those seats. They also ran morons in Missouri and Nevada. If you add up Tea Party :censored: ups, and flipped them, there would be GOP Senate at the moment.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 22, 2015, 08:21:23 AM

Quote from: Anteros on December 21, 2015, 02:10:43 PM

First of course you will need to pay me the $300.00 that you are indeed going to be owing me . . .

Don't be so sure.

Fox poll released today saying 35% of the American public would be "embarrassed" to have Hillary Clinton as their President.

Oh, by the way, when asked the same question about Trump, 50% said they'd be embarrassed to have him as their President.

The "not voting for Trump under any circumstance" voters will eventually kill his Presidential run.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 22, 2015, 08:24:24 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on December 21, 2015, 10:42:02 PM

Now tell me why you think Hillary is going to be better?

I don't.

I won't vote for either candidate if my choice is between Clinton and Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on December 22, 2015, 08:46:03 AM

Quote from: shakespear on December 22, 2015, 08:24:24 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on December 21, 2015, 10:42:02 PM
Now tell me why you think Hillary is going to be better?

I don't.

I won't vote for either candidate if my choice is between Clinton and Trump.

Why not vote for a third candidate then? 2 choices sounds as bad as a dictatorship from where I'm sitting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 22, 2015, 10:58:04 AM

It looks as though a refusal to vote is likely to be a vote for Trump.

And yes, it does seem that Trump is the front runner based on the numbers we see. Sure as shit it isn't one of the others - unless Trump suffers some kind of accident.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 22, 2015, 11:09:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 22, 2015, 10:58:04 AM

And yes, it does seem that Trump is the front runner based on the numbers we see.

That is not the case.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Of course, the electoral vote is not necessarily a mirror of the popular vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 22, 2015, 11:19:48 AM

My apologies for not being clear. I was referring to Trump as a Republican candidate for president.

As far as I am concerned it is almost certain that, absent accident, the presidential candidates will be Trump and Clinton.

In addition, I expect that in the end, assuming that Trump survives, he will be the next president.

I expect that choosing to not vote against Trump will mean that he will win not necessarily from overwhelming support but from insufficiently weak opposition to his candidacy against Clinton. That's Republican voters who will refuse to vote Democrat to the oppose him combined with Democratic voters who will not vote for Clinton.

If you don't want to see a Trump presidency then it will be important to vote for the Democrat candidate, whoever that may be.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 22, 2015, 01:47:49 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 22, 2015, 10:58:04 AM

It looks as though a refusal to vote is likely to be a vote for Trump.

And yes, it does seem that Trump is the front runner based on the numbers we see. Sure as shit it isn't one of the others - unless Trump suffers some kind of accident.

It is not unusual in horse racing or in American Presidential politics for the early front-runner to fall off the pace once the states actually start voting in primary elections.

In Iowa, the 2008 Republican primary winner was Huckabee and in 2012 it was Santorum. In New Hampshire, the 2008 Republican primary winner was McClain and 2012 was Huntsman.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ashbyclarke on December 22, 2015, 03:34:33 PM

It'll be a Clinton win then, no matter the voting! World will not stand by a western man creating a war on religion, even the big smoke can't condone that, as much as some would like that happen.

It simply isn't acceptable, Trump fooked himself with those simple words, whilst appealing to maybe the majority, from a security POV it just doesn't work.

That will be one ugly US leader, Hilary that is before you ponder which one.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 22, 2015, 08:47:37 PM

It's doubtful John McCain will be voting for Trump. :chuckle:

McCain Goes Beastmode On Trump Over Putin Praise: He’s A Putin Propagandist

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mccain-goes-beastmode-on-trump-over-putin-praise-hes-a-putin

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on December 22, 2015, 09:49:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 22, 2015, 01:47:49 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 22, 2015, 10:58:04 AM
It looks as though a refusal to vote is likely to be a vote for Trump.

And yes, it does seem that Trump is the front runner based on the numbers we see. Sure as shit it isn't one of the others - unless Trump suffers some kind of accident.

It is not unusual in horse racing or in American Presidential politics for the early front-runner to fall off the pace once the states actually start voting in primary elections.

In Iowa, the 2008 Republican primary winner was Huckabee and in 2012 it was Santorum. In New Hampshire, the 2008 Republican primary winner was McClain and 2012 was Huntsman.

Curious if you ever talk politics with some of your clients, and, what do they think of the various candidates?

My clients are all over the map, from Boston based SJWs who think only Bernie Sanders has the answers, to those in the middle, to those who think the Trumpenkrieg will solve some important issues.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on December 23, 2015, 04:19:41 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 22, 2015, 11:19:48 AM

assuming that Trump survives,

An "accident" does seem quite possible.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on December 23, 2015, 03:56:58 PM

Quote from: Manny on December 23, 2015, 04:19:41 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 22, 2015, 11:19:48 AM
assuming that Trump survives,

An "accident" does seem quite possible.

Soft as a grape Jebbie Bush "illegal immigration is not a crime it is an Act of Love" ASM melody in the background - has already ominously stated "Donald You will not become President (Pregnant Pause) insulting (The Bush Family) insulting your way into the White House.

Remember that the Bush family machine are behind Jeb with huge establishment money in anonymous superpacs...

The Bush family machine are no pushovers - they painted John McCain as unsuitable to be President because McCain was driven insane in the North Vietnam Hanoi Hilton POW prisons.

I am a Trump voter and Trump needs to cover his flanks now as Jeb is desperate and desperate men do desperate things...

Delegate Insider Claims A Jeb Coup Is In The Works

Investigation Exposes Jeb Bush Nazi Treasure Holdings

Some fascinating history and insights to the Bush family...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on December 24, 2015, 06:50:42 PM

For those of you on Christmas Eve worried about the future of our small world hurtling around a mass of Nuclear Fission fear not as help is on its way... Merry Christmas and May God Bless you all and your loved ones.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 25, 2015, 10:48:53 AM

Not only has Trump increased his lead among the republicans, some poll's place him in a dead heat withHillary.

The mind-blowing turnaround in Donald Trump's poll numbers explains why he's blowing everyone out of the water

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/mind-blowing-turnaround-donald-trumps-193840347.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on January 03, 2016, 01:05:20 PM

Marxist Feminist SJW pro LGBTQ agenda Media Trump haters explain why Trump will win:

Trump Support UNDER-Represented Due To Trump Shame

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on January 03, 2016, 01:14:26 PM

POLLS - Proof Iowa does not matter in the big scope of things:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-gop-primary

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

RCP Poll above shows up and down deflection points and momentum as of Jan 2, 2016

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 11, 2016, 09:07:12 AM

Funny Trumpisms.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Fussy on January 13, 2016, 04:57:13 AM

As opposed to Hillary, who has achieved SFA without the support of taxpayer dollars?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on January 19, 2016, 06:30:50 PM

Sarah Palin endorses Donald Trump. I can't see this doing Trump much good but it might help with some of the more right wing conservatives and probably won't hurt.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-receives-key-endorsement-sarah-palin-214307232--election.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 06:46:01 PM

Mikey's 'Hero' is a Wazzock :chuckle:

''Donald Trump labelled a foolish, dangerous 'wazzock' by UK MPs - but they're not going to ban him from Britain
They were speaking at a debate on whether the billionaire reality star should be banned from the UK on hate speech grounds''

Source the UK Indy

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-debate-tory-mps-say-uk-should-apologise-to-us-for-having-debate-about-banning-the-a6820156.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-debate-tory-mps-say-uk-should-apologise-to-us-for-having-debate-about-banning-the-a6820156.html)

''One SNP MP accused Mr Trump of hypocrisy over his anti-immigration stance - his mother was a Scottish migrant to the US''...quite..

Methinks, he should be banned - for say three months - unless he apologises - but the Tories are too scared he'd pull some investment projects ...

If this is the best America has as a contender for President ... the world is in for a bumpy ride

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 06:46:01 PM

Methinks, he should be banned - for say three months - unless he apologises - but the Tories are too scared he'd pull some investment projects ...

Apologize for what? Offending a bunch of multi-culti twats in Britain? Don't do anything about things like Rotherham, and don't *dare* offend the Muzzies....argue about banning Trump for speaking his mind?

I don't think he will win the nomination, let alone the presidency, but imagine if he did? There'd be quite a few red faces around Whitehall....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 06:46:01 PM

Methinks, he should be banned - for say three months - unless he apologises - but the Tories are too scared he'd pull some investment projects ...

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM

Apologize for what? Offending a bunch of multi-culti twats in Britain?

Apologise, for wanting to ban immigration based on ethnicity / religious belief... as if that makes you a 'terrorist' ... :coffeeread:

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM

Don't do anything about things like Rotherham, and don't *dare* offend the Muzzies....argue about banning Trump for speaking his mind?

You've been reading too many of Manny's links..

Trump crossed the rubicon..

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM

I don't think he will win the nomination, let alone the presidency, but imagine if he did? There'd be quite a few red faces around Whitehall....

B/B

I fail to see how UK mandarins in Whitehall would be 'embarrassed' ... But I share your belief that the problem won't arise.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on January 19, 2016, 08:39:16 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 06:46:01 PM

Mikey's 'Hero' is a Wazzock :chuckle:

''Donald Trump labelled a foolish, dangerous 'wazzock' by UK MPs - but they're not going to ban him from Britain
They were speaking at a debate on whether the billionaire reality star should be banned from the UK on hate speech grounds''

Source the UK Indy

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-debate-tory-mps-say-uk-should-apologise-to-us-for-having-debate-about-banning-the-a6820156.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-debate-tory-mps-say-uk-should-apologise-to-us-for-having-debate-about-banning-the-a6820156.html)

''One SNP MP accused Mr Trump of hypocrisy over his anti-immigration stance - his mother was a Scottish migrant to the US''...quite..

Methinks, he should be banned - for say three months - unless he apologises - but the Tories are too scared he'd pull some investment projects ...

If this is the best America has as a contender for President ... the world is in for a bumpy ride

More and more American political pundits are saying there's a realistic chance could be the next US president. I'm sure UK lawmakers don't want to get on his bad side just in case he does win.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 19, 2016, 08:56:40 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 19, 2016, 06:30:50 PM

Sarah Palin endorses Donald Trump. I can't see this doing Trump much good but it might help with some of the more right wing conservatives and probably won't hurt.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-receives-key-endorsement-sarah-palin-214307232--election.html

Donald's hoping she can help him with the evangelicals and Tea Party folks in Iowa. Some stogy Republicans will be turned off by her presence but those types would be turned off to Trump anyway. Those that do not like Palin will no doubt not like Trump either. So Palin is a positive with some and a non-factor with others. With the Trump democrats she might be a negative.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on January 19, 2016, 11:35:10 PM

Quote from: Maxx on January 19, 2016, 08:56:40 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 19, 2016, 06:30:50 PM
Sarah Palin endorses Donald Trump. I can't see this doing Trump much good but it might help with some of the more right wing conservatives and probably won't hurt.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-receives-key-endorsement-sarah-palin-214307232--election.html

Donald's hoping she can help him with the evangelicals and Tea Party folks in Iowa. Some stogy Republicans will be turned off by her presence but those types would be turned off to Trump anyway. Those that do not like Palin will no doubt not like Trump either. So Palin is a positive with some and a non-factor with others. With the Trump democrats she might be a negative.

Trump's really playing problems Cruz might have with his eligibility to run for president being that he was born in Canada. It's probably a certainty that if Cruz is the GOP candidate the Dems will bring up the subject of his eligibility. So unless Cruz can find a way to assure the GOP power brokers and the American public that he's eligible he's probably not the best choice as a candidate.

That leaves guys like Rubio, Bush and maybe one or two others. Romney may even enter the race if everyone looks bad over the next few months.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 11:37:52 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM
Apologize for what? Offending a bunch of multi-culti twats in Britain?

Apologise, for wanting to ban immigration based on ethnicity / religious belief... as if that makes you a 'terrorist' ... :coffeeread:

So, he should apologize to Britain for discussing possible policy he would pursue that doesn't particularly affect Britain? So hurt feelings?

The US, as any sovereign nation, has the right to decide who it grants entry to, and who it does not. So long as this does not involve British nationals (and you can have Richard Reid back), it is no concern of Britains.

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM
Don't do anything about things like Rotherham, and don't *dare* offend the Muzzies....argue about banning Trump for speaking his mind?

You've been reading too many of Manny's links..

Actually, I mentioned Rotherham on the board before Manny ever did, in the context of the Child Rape Scandal (Slumba was first and then there were two previous that had nothing to do with the Muzzy pedo ring).

That aside, I notice that you don't care to address the facts at all....

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

Trump crossed the rubicon..

Over here, we don't get run into prison for pointing out the truth, and British law no longer applies (nor has for nearly 2.5 centuries, in case you hadn't heard).

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM

I don't think he will win the nomination, let alone the presidency, but imagine if he did? There'd be quite a few red faces around Whitehall....

I fail to see how UK mandarins in Whitehall would be 'embarrassed' ... But I share your belief that the problem won't arise.

Because they will represent a government that stupidly went after the then-current POTUS for no reason other than moral-signally. Trump doesn't suffer this sort of nonsense easily, so the "Special Relationship" would become decidedly Un-Special.

Meanwhile, I thought that Trump was basically trolling the GOP. He may have a hard cap in the primary (I suspect he does in the general; he is a polarizing figure, although H-Rod is also), but he seems to be sticking around. I would expect H-Rod (it's still the pre-season) but it will be interesting to see how far Sanders gets with his insurgent campaign. The only thing positive to be said about Sanders is that, without Jimmy Carter, there would likely have been no Ronald Reagan.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 11:42:01 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 19, 2016, 11:35:10 PM

Quote from: Maxx on January 19, 2016, 08:56:40 PM
Quote from: WestCoast on January 19, 2016, 06:30:50 PM
Sarah Palin endorses Donald Trump. I can't see this doing Trump much good but it might help with some of the more right wing conservatives and probably won't hurt.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-receives-key-endorsement-sarah-palin-214307232--election.html

Donald's hoping she can help him with the evangelicals and Tea Party folks in Iowa. Some stogy Republicans will be turned off by her presence but those types would be turned off to Trump anyway. Those that do not like Palin will no doubt not like Trump either. So Palin is a positive with some and a non-factor with others. With the Trump democrats she might be a negative.

Trump's really playing problems Cruz might have with his eligibility to run for president being that he was born in Canada. It's probably a certainty that if Cruz is the GOP candidate the Dems will bring up the subject of his eligibility. So unless Cruz can find a way to assure the GOP power brokers and the American public that he's eligible he's probably not the best choice as a candidate.

That leaves guys like Rubio, Bush and maybe one or two others. Romney may even enter the race if everyone looks bad over the next few months.

A few thoughts:

First, it's absolutely painful to listen to Trump try and talk about religion. Egad. I say that myself having lapsed from the mainline Protestantism of my youth. He clearly has zero clue what he's talking about.

Second, it's a LOCK that Cruz' foreign birth would be brought up b/c of what the 'Birthers did w/r/t Obama. This would happen regardless of anything Trump would (or has) said about Cruz.

Third, Romney is out (although there has been a 'draft Romney' movement. Romney fits my requirements for the Candidate Who Is Expected To Lose in that he is a Responsible Adult). Romney, incidentally, told JEB! not to run.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 20, 2016, 12:00:32 AM

Quote from: Maxx on January 19, 2016, 08:56:40 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 19, 2016, 06:30:50 PM
Sarah Palin endorses Donald Trump. I can't see this doing Trump much good but it might help with some of the more right wing conservatives and probably won't hurt.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-receives-key-endorsement-sarah-palin-214307232--election.html

Donald's hoping she can help him with the evangelicals and Tea Party folks in Iowa. Some stogy Republicans will be turned off by her presence but those types would be turned off to Trump anyway. Those that do not like Palin will no doubt not like Trump either. So Palin is a positive with some and a non-factor with others. With the Trump democrats she might be a negative.

Perhaps not...

https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/news/track-palin-charged-assault-weapon-003107471.html?ref=gs

Quote

Not the best endorsement. Sarah Palin’s son Track Palin was arrested on Monday, January 18, in Wasilla, Alaska.

PHOTOS: Stars at Court

According to police reports, the 26-year-old was charged with fourth-degree assault, interfering with the report of a domestic violence crime and possession of a firearm while intoxicated.

Officers responded to a reported disturbance at about 10 p.m. Monday night, a police report obtained by Gawker read.

According to New York Daily News, Track allegedly punched and kicked his girlfriend and then held an assault rifle near his head and threatened to kill himself. Track allegedly said, “Do you think I’m a p—y?” and “Do you think I won’t do it?”

The former vice presidential candidate’s oldest child was booked without bail and his arraignment was scheduled for Tuesday, January 19.

This isn’t the first time the U.S. Army veteran has had a run-in with the law. In September 2014, Track was involved in a 20-person brawl, that included several of his other family members, including sister Willow.

Track’s arrest comes at an inopportune time. On Tuesday, January 19, his mother Sarah announced she’s endorsing Donald Trump for presidency.

Did Sarah inform Donald about this? It happened Monday night. Did she not know?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 20, 2016, 12:02:13 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 06:46:01 PM
Methinks, he should be banned - for say three months - unless he apologises - but the Tories are too scared he'd pull some investment projects ...

Apologize for what? Offending a bunch of multi-culti twats in Britain? Don't do anything about things like Rotherham, and don't *dare* offend the Muzzies....argue about banning Trump for speaking his mind?

Corbynites like Moby love to gag free speech and feel offence on behalf of others.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 20, 2016, 12:08:01 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 11:42:01 PM

First, it's absolutely painful to listen to Trump try and talk about religion. Egad. I say that myself having lapsed from the mainline Protestantism of my youth. He clearly has zero clue what he's talking about.

Having a similar background as you B.B. I know that it would virtually impossible to sound like a sincere Christian if I was are raised completely secular as was Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 20, 2016, 12:13:32 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 20, 2016, 12:02:13 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM
Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 06:46:01 PM
Methinks, he should be banned - for say three months - unless he apologises - but the Tories are too scared he'd pull some investment projects ...

Apologize for what? Offending a bunch of multi-culti twats in Britain? Don't do anything about things like Rotherham, and don't *dare* offend the Muzzies....argue about banning Trump for speaking his mind?

Corbynites like Moby love to gag free speech and feel offence on behalf of others.

I wouldn't be too hard on Moby. Remember he is a contrarian and may in reality be to the right of you about the Muzzies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 20, 2016, 12:14:02 AM

Quote from: Maxx on January 20, 2016, 12:00:32 AM

Quote from: Maxx on January 19, 2016, 08:56:40 PM
Quote from: WestCoast on January 19, 2016, 06:30:50 PM
Sarah Palin endorses Donald Trump. I can't see this doing Trump much good but it might help with some of the more right wing conservatives and probably won't hurt.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-receives-key-endorsement-sarah-palin-214307232--election.html

Donald's hoping she can help him with the evangelicals and Tea Party folks in Iowa. Some stogy Republicans will be turned off by her presence but those types would be turned off to Trump anyway. Those that do not like Palin will no doubt not like Trump either. So Palin is a positive with some and a non-factor with others. With the Trump democrats she might be a negative.

Perhaps not...

https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/news/track-palin-charged-assault-weapon-003107471.html?ref=gs

Quote
Not the best endorsement. Sarah Palin’s son Track Palin was arrested on Monday, January 18, in Wasilla, Alaska.

PHOTOS: Stars at Court

According to police reports, the 26-year-old was charged with fourth-degree assault, interfering with the report of a domestic violence crime and possession of a firearm while intoxicated.

Officers responded to a reported disturbance at about 10 p.m. Monday night, a police report obtained by Gawker read.

According to New York Daily News, Track allegedly punched and kicked his girlfriend and then held an assault rifle near his head and threatened to kill himself. Track allegedly said, “Do you think I’m a p—y?” and “Do you think I won’t do it?”

The former vice presidential candidate’s oldest child was booked without bail and his arraignment was scheduled for Tuesday, January 19.

This isn’t the first time the U.S. Army veteran has had a run-in with the law. In September 2014, Track was involved in a 20-person brawl, that included several of his other family members, including sister Willow.

Track’s arrest comes at an inopportune time. On Tuesday, January 19, his mother Sarah announced she’s endorsing Donald Trump for presidency.

Did Sarah inform Donald about this? It happened Monday night. Did she not know?

Bump BTW this isn't even on the DRUDGEREPORT yet. It is going to be interesting in the US news tomorrow. This couldn't have come at a worse time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 20, 2016, 12:14:52 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 11:37:52 PM

So, he should apologize to Britain for discussing possible policy he would pursue that doesn't particularly affect Britain? So hurt feelings?

The US, as any sovereign nation, has the right to decide who it grants entry to, and who it does not. So long as this does not involve British nationals (and you can have Richard Reid back), it is no concern of Britains.

BritONS also have the right to decide to whom it grants entry and are rightfully mindful of excluding folks on their religious beliefs , alone... Was your point meant to 'support' the right of BritONS to exclude folk who preach ignorance of religion ? My 'feelings' aren't 'hurt' ....I'd be just as vocal if someone tried to block other religions.

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM

Don't do anything about things like Rotherham, and don't *dare* offend the Muzzies....argue about banning Trump for speaking his mind?

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

You've been reading too many of Manny's links..

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 11:37:52 PM

Actually, I mentioned Rotherham on the board before Manny ever did, in the context of the Child Rape Scandal (Slumba was first and then there were two previous that had nothing to do with the Muzzy pedo ring).

That aside, I notice that you don't care to address the facts at all....

Due to some bizarre reason, I have to create a UK ip address to post - as if I post from my true location - I am a 'guest' and banned ..I cannot effectually use the search facility - slowwwwwwwwwwww . I accept that my comment about Manny was incorrect.

If you care to check back, I accept that in the case of Rotherham [ and Oxford, Derby, Bristol ] authorities were reluctant to dig too deep because of the 'racist' accusations - but to pretend those benefiting were just men of Pakistani Asian origin is somewhat disingenuous

There are plenty of scandals involving the R.Catholic Church in Britain and Ireland and other trusted carers who have ruined kids lives who are 'Anglo-Saxons or Celts' ... let's be realistic....

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

Trump crossed the rubicon..

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 11:37:52 PM

Over here, we don't get run into prison for pointing out the truth, and British law no longer applies (nor has for nearly 2.5 centuries, in case you hadn't heard).

I had heard... but we are discussing - in this moment - the possibility - now remote - probably on economic grounds - that someone promoting ignorance re religion - should be excluded from visiting ..BRITAIN

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM

I don't think he will win the nomination, let alone the presidency, but imagine if he did? There'd be quite a few red faces around Whitehall....

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

I fail to see how UK mandarins in Whitehall would be 'embarrassed' ... But I share your belief that the problem won't arise.

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 11:37:52 PM

Because they will represent a government that stupidly went after the then-current POTUS for no reason other than moral-signally. Trump doesn't suffer this sort of nonsense easily, so the "Special Relationship" would become decidedly Un-Special.

B.B.. I'm trying to explain to you that Whitehall houses the civil servants who impose HM govts. will ... I think you might mean Westminster.

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 11:37:52 PM

Meanwhile, I thought that Trump was basically trolling the GOP. He may have a hard cap in the primary (I suspect he does in the general; he is a polarizing figure, although H-Rod is also), but he seems to be sticking around. I would expect H-Rod (it's still the pre-season) but it will be interesting to see how far Sanders gets with his insurgent campaign. The only thing positive to be said about Sanders is that, without Jimmy Carter, there would likely have been no Ronald Reagan.

B/B

I simply do not know enough about the characters / policies to comment - I only entered this thread - because Trump's comments - to me - seemed to me- to be polarising, promoting hatred through ignorance..

IF he was elected POTUS... and any ban had been put in place - naturally, WESTMINSTER would have to climb down.... but they' re too spineless - more worried about Trump threatening to pull c. 110 million USD of investment in the UK .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 20, 2016, 01:48:33 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 20, 2016, 12:02:13 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM
Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 06:46:01 PM
Methinks, he should be banned - for say three months - unless he apologises - but the Tories are too scared he'd pull some investment projects ...

Apologize for what? Offending a bunch of multi-culti twats in Britain? Don't do anything about things like Rotherham, and don't *dare* offend the Muzzies....argue about banning Trump for speaking his mind?

Corbynites like Moby love to gag free speech and feel offence on behalf of others.

And the irony is lost on the traitors too.

Let's ban Trump because it's bigoted and wrong of him to want to ban Muslims......I mean seariously?? Idiots.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 20, 2016, 02:50:34 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 06:46:01 PM
Methinks, he should be banned - for say three months - unless he apologises - but the Tories are too scared he'd pull some investment projects ...

Apologize for what? Offending a bunch of multi-culti twats in Britain? Don't do anything about things like Rotherham, and don't *dare* offend the Muzzies....argue about banning Trump for speaking his mind?

I don't think he will win the nomination, let alone the presidency, but imagine if he did? There'd be quite a few red faces around Whitehall....

B/B

Bring back Enoch Powell

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on January 20, 2016, 06:07:43 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 20, 2016, 02:50:34 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM
Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 06:46:01 PM
Methinks, he should be banned - for say three months - unless he apologises - but the Tories are too scared he'd pull some investment projects ...

Apologize for what? Offending a bunch of multi-culti twats in Britain? Don't do anything about things like Rotherham, and don't *dare* offend the Muzzies....argue about banning Trump for speaking his mind?

I don't think he will win the nomination, let alone the presidency, but imagine if he did? There'd be quite a few red faces around Whitehall....

B/B

Bring back Enoch Powell

I have been saying that for years!! In the end I got so tired of it I left the UK for a civilised country with no crazy lefty commies!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 20, 2016, 07:54:42 AM

I understand that Sarah Palin just announced her support of Donald Trump in the 2016 Presidential Race . . . . . . . . . .

Icing on the cake for reasons I'd NEVER vote Trump for President!!!!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 20, 2016, 08:06:27 AM

So, Shakespear, given a free choice between a Republican presidency with Trump at the helm or anyone as the Democratic president, you'd prefer any Democrat over Trump?

You will prefer, either by dint of not voting or by voting for a Democrat, to see a Democratic president next time round?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 20, 2016, 09:07:33 AM

I wonder why this hasn't hit the news? http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/track-palin-sarah-palin-adult-son-arrested-alaska-article-1.2502319

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/track20n-3-web_zpspntbmjcp.jpg)

Perhaps Tbilisi Georgia is the portal to the Twilight Zone and I am the only one able to see this? I see no mention of it anywhere or comments made here.... Hello? Is there anyone out there? Somebody please send me a PM. I may have died and I don't know it yet...

:GRAVE:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 20, 2016, 09:09:44 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 20, 2016, 08:06:27 AM

So, Shakespear, given a free choice between a Republican presidency with Trump at the helm or anyone as the Democratic president, you'd prefer any Democrat over Trump?

You will prefer, either by dint of not voting or by voting for a Democrat, to see a Democratic president next time round?

He sees Trump to be a threat to the corrupt system that he no doubt benefits from somehow.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 20, 2016, 09:50:31 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 20, 2016, 12:14:52 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 11:37:52 PM

So, he should apologize to Britain for discussing possible policy he would pursue that doesn't particularly affect Britain? So hurt feelings?

The US, as any sovereign nation, has the right to decide who it grants entry to, and who it does not. So long as this does not involve British nationals (and you can have Richard Reid back), it is no concern of Britains.

BritONS also have the right to decide to whom it grants entry and are rightfully mindful of excluding folks on their religious beliefs , alone... Was your point meant to 'support' the right of BritONS to exclude folk who preach ignorance of religion ? My 'feelings' aren't 'hurt' ....I'd be just as vocal if someone tried to block other religions.

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM
Don't do anything about things like Rotherham, and don't *dare* offend the Muzzies....argue about banning Trump for speaking his mind?

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
You've been reading too many of Manny's links..

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 11:37:52 PM
Actually, I mentioned Rotherham on the board before Manny ever did, in the context of the Child Rape Scandal (Slumba was first and then there were two previous that had nothing to do with the Muzzy pedo ring).

That aside, I notice that you don't care to address the facts at all....

Due to some bizarre reason, I have to create a UK ip address to post - as if I post from my true location - I am a 'guest' and banned ..I cannot effectually use the search facility - slowwwwwwwwwwww . I accept that my comment about Manny was incorrect.

If you care to check back, I accept that in the case of Rotherham [ and Oxford, Derby, Bristol ] authorities were reluctant to dig too deep because of the 'racist' accusations - but to pretend those benefiting were just men of Pakistani Asian origin is somewhat disingenuous

There are plenty of scandals involving the R.Catholic Church in Britain and Ireland and other trusted carers who have ruined kids lives who are 'Anglo-Saxons or Celts' ... let's be realistic....

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
Trump crossed the rubicon..

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 11:37:52 PM
Over here, we don't get run into prison for pointing out the truth, and British law no longer applies (nor has for nearly 2.5 centuries, in case you hadn't heard).

I had heard... but we are discussing - in this moment - the possibility - now remote - probably on economic grounds - that someone promoting ignorance re religion - should be excluded from visiting ..BRITAIN

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM

I don't think he will win the nomination, let alone the presidency, but imagine if he did? There'd be quite a few red faces around Whitehall....

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
I fail to see how UK mandarins in Whitehall would be 'embarrassed' ... But I share your belief that the problem won't arise.

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 11:37:52 PM

Because they will represent a government that stupidly went after the then-current POTUS for no reason other than moral-signally. Trump doesn't suffer this sort of nonsense easily, so the "Special Relationship" would become decidedly Un-Special.

B.B.. I'm trying to explain to you that Whitehall houses the civil servants who impose HM govts. will ... I think you might mean Westminster.

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 11:37:52 PM

Meanwhile, I thought that Trump was basically trolling the GOP. He may have a hard cap in the primary (I suspect he does in the general; he is a polarizing figure, although H-Rod is also), but he seems to be sticking around. I would expect H-Rod (it's still the pre-season) but it will be interesting to see how far Sanders gets with his insurgent campaign. The only thing positive to be said about Sanders is that, without Jimmy Carter, there would likely have been no Ronald Reagan.

B/B

I simply do not know enough about the characters / policies to comment - I only entered this thread - because Trump's comments - to me - seemed to me- to be polarising, promoting hatred through ignorance..

IF he was elected POTUS... and any ban had been put in place - naturally, WESTMINSTER would have to climb down.... but they' re too spineless - more worried about Trump threatening to pull c. 110 million USD of investment in the UK .

Moby, please do not portray all Britons as ponsy hug a muzzie left wing liberati just gagging to ban Trump for speaking what, I dare say, many people think.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 20, 2016, 09:54:38 AM

I know about Track's latest misadventure, it isn't a secret.

No doubt it will take its place in the panoply of news/entertainment in from of Mr & Mrs Usaian later on today.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 20, 2016, 09:55:13 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 20, 2016, 08:06:27 AM

So, Shakespear, given a free choice between a Republican presidency with Trump at the helm or anyone as the Democratic president, you'd prefer any Democrat over Trump?

If my choice was Hillary or Trump, I'd probably not vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 20, 2016, 10:00:42 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 20, 2016, 09:54:38 AM

I know about Track's latest misadventure, it isn't a secret.

No doubt it will take its place in the panoply of news/entertainment in from of Mr & Mrs Usaian later on today.

Thanks, I can now stop taking my pulse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 20, 2016, 12:14:52 AM

BritONS also have the right to decide to whom it grants entry and are rightfully mindful of excluding folks on their religious beliefs , alone... Was your point meant to 'support' the right of BritONS to exclude folk who preach ignorance of religion ? My 'feelings' aren't 'hurt' ....I'd be just as vocal if someone tried to block other religions.

It would seem to me that that Britain's interests (or the collective interest of individual BritONS) would best be served by solving ACTUAL problems that are ACTUALLY going in inside Britain, such as the ongoing Muzzy problem, and their penchant for (a) benefits, (b) child sexual abuse, and (c) violence.

And it is of little comfort that "not all Muslims are bad". Plenty enough of them are, and that group of god-botherers seems particularly inclined to set loose violent wackos on the world.

Of course, far better to engage in pointless "moral signaling" lest the extra-sensitive, carefully constructed widdle feewings of the Religion of Special Needs be hurt.

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM

Don't do anything about things like Rotherham, and don't *dare* offend the Muzzies....argue about banning Trump for speaking his mind?

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

Due to some bizarre reason, I have to create a UK ip address to post - as if I post from my true location - I am a 'guest' and banned ..I cannot effectually use the search facility - slowwwwwwwwwwww . I accept that my comment about Manny was incorrect.

You are welcome to confirm at such time as the search function is more amenable for you. /shrug

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

If you care to check back, I accept that in the case of Rotherham [ and Oxford, Derby, Bristol ] authorities were reluctant to dig too deep because of the 'racist' accusations - but to pretend those benefiting were just men of Pakistani Asian origin is somewhat disingenuous

They were not just 'reluctant'; they were complicit.

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

There are plenty of scandals involving the R.Catholic Church in Britain and Ireland and other trusted carers who have ruined kids lives who are 'Anglo-Saxons or Celts' ... let's be realistic....

I have no love for the Vatican Pedos, either, but riddle me this: how EXACTLY does the existence of RC pedos IN ANY WAY AMELIORATE the crimes of Muslim pedos?

It doesn't. It just an excuse for libs to feel "not racist". Full Stop.

I'm sure it was a big comfort to the child victims of Rotherham and other places that "Oh, but RC priests can be pedos, too!". (:)

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

Trump crossed the rubicon..

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 11:37:52 PM

I had heard... but we are discussing - in this moment - the possibility - now remote - probably on economic grounds - that someone promoting ignorance re religion - should be excluded from visiting ..BRITAIN

Religion IS ignorance. The problem is that some religions are worse and more virulent than others, and at this time and place, it's Islam that presents itself as the foremost enemy of enlightened, free, Western civilization.

So I dare say that we are better than they, because WE ARE better than they.

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM

B.B.. I'm trying to explain to you that Whitehall houses the civil servants who impose HM govts. will ... I think you might mean Westminster.

Whichever.

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM

I simply do not know enough about the characters / policies to comment - I only entered this thread - because Trump's comments - to me - seemed to me- to be polarising, promoting hatred through ignorance..

It seems that the folks doing most of the polarizing/hating/etc. play for the other team. Y'know. The folks who post Death-Porn videos of themselves slicing off the heads of bound and helpless human beings, burning other people to death, etc.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:32:49 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 20, 2016, 09:55:13 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 20, 2016, 08:06:27 AM
So, Shakespear, given a free choice between a Republican presidency with Trump at the helm or anyone as the Democratic president, you'd prefer any Democrat over Trump?

If my choice was Hillary or Trump, I'd probably not vote.

One might also vote 3rd party, if there's a non-wacko one on the ballot in your locality.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 20, 2016, 04:11:51 PM

B.B - I'd like to applaud your grasp on reality and ability to shut down liberal tripe. :bow:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 20, 2016, 04:12:43 PM

Quote from: rosco on January 20, 2016, 04:11:51 PM

B.B - I'd like to applaud your grasp on reality and ability to shut down liberal tripe. :bow:

Here, here. :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 20, 2016, 05:56:04 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM

It would seem to me that that Britain's interests (or the collective interest of individual BritONS) would best be served by solving ACTUAL problems that are ACTUALLY going in inside Britain, such as the ongoing Muzzy problem, and their penchant for (a) benefits, (b) child sexual abuse, and (c) violence.

Well, BB... You will be the 'darling' of my fellow [unthinking] Brits - but over one in 10 adults signed the petition to ask the govt to keep 'Wazzocks' like Trump out - in order to remind him and set an example .. that whilst this is a maj. 'Christian'nation - thanks Mr Cameron for- finally - coming out and saying it.. Most 'normal' people know the vast maj. of Muslims are not rapists, 'terrorists', etc.,

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM

And it is of little comfort that "not all Muslims are bad". Plenty enough of them are, and that group of god-botherers seems particularly inclined to set loose violent wackos on the world.

As I KEEP reminding folks here - most of the intelligence that prevents terrorist acts comes from the Muslim community...'great idea' to isolate them - because of a few bad apples... You see, B.B, I have experience of terrorism..the British govt. thought it would be a 'good' idea to lock up potential terrorists and lost the support of many Roman Catholics in N.Ireland who were not in favour of violence.

Sure, there's plenty of other things to worry about - but Trump's speech did cross a line across the Political spectrum in the UK - clearly - for many people. It wasn't 'helpful' and may have been for the 'redneck' vote in the USA.

There is some irony in being told Britons have plenty to worry about from a national of an nation with a murder rate somewhat greater than ours...

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM

Of course, far better to engage in pointless "moral signaling" lest the extra-sensitive, carefully constructed widdle feewings of the Religion of Special Needs be hurt.

Your 'spin' on the emotion felt - from my point of view it was anger - anger that a man who Americans could put in the Whitehouse could be such an imbecile. In case there's any doubt - I signed the petition.

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM

Don't do anything about things like Rotherham, and don't *dare* offend the Muzzies....argue about banning Trump for speaking his mind?

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

Due to some bizarre reason, I have to create a UK ip address to post - as if I post from my true location - I am a 'guest' and banned ..I cannot effectually use the search facility - slowwwwwwwwwwww . I accept that my comment about Manny was incorrect.

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM

You are welcome to confirm at such time as the search function is more amenable for you. /shrug

'Thanks', as this place is booked for three months - be patient - or perhaps Manny can unblock the Thai IP addresses he will see in the logs...

However, I did point out the , Muslims haven't been over-emphasis on these horrible crimes being committed by Pakistani origin males and the participation of Anglo -Saxons, and the previous scandals of Churches and Childrens' Homes, once again... If you respond on this - you will be the first .... to get some perspective that proportionally any more predatory.

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

If you care to check back, I accept that in the case of Rotherham [ and Oxford, Derby, Bristol ] authorities were reluctant to dig too deep because of the 'racist' accusations - but to pretend those benefiting were just men of Pakistani Asian origin is somewhat disingenuous

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM

They were not just 'reluctant'; they were complicit.

I guess you could say that those who were reluctant to investigate - lest being accused of racism were 'complicit' - but unless they took advantage of the victims, I'd say they were criminally negligent..

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

There are plenty of scandals involving the R.Catholic Church in Britain and Ireland and other trusted carers who have ruined kids lives who are 'Anglo-Saxons or Celts' ... let's be realistic....

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM

I have no love for the Vatican Pedos, either, but riddle me this: how EXACTLY does the existence of RC pedos IN ANY WAY AMELIORATE the crimes of Muslim pedos?

As, you WELL know it doesn't .. but has America, UK and other places where institutions have 'turned a blind eye' to sex crimes in Children's' Homes talked of banning R.Catholics ?

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM

I'm sure it was a big comfort to the child victims of Rotherham and other places that "Oh, but RC priests can be pedos, too!". (:)

Nought but as BS deflection, from the point - once more - that 'punishing' a whole religion based on some bad apples - esp. when there have been many more cases of 'Christians' abusing kids ....

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

but we are discussing - in this moment - the possibility - now remote - probably on economic grounds - that someone promoting ignorance re religion - should be excluded from visiting ..BRITAIN

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM

Religion IS ignorance. The problem is that some religions are worse and more virulent than others, and at this time and place, it's Islam that presents itself as the foremost enemy of enlightened, free, Western civilization.

THAT was an example of ignorance. 'thanks' .. I think the biggest danger to the free world is any nation's leaders that feels they can grab parts of it's neighbours or hand out passports to citizens of nations of other nations it is occupying / acting as 'peace keeper' ...

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM

So I dare say that we are better than they, because WE ARE better than they.

'Better', in that you can kill more of them - than we do them ... 'coz 'we' do .... :coffeeread:

Quote from: moby

I simply do not know enough about the characters / policies to comment - I only entered this thread - because Trump's comments - to me - seemed to me- to be polarising, promoting hatred through ignorance..

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM

It seems that the folks doing most of the polarizing/hating/etc. play for the other team. Y'know. The folks who post Death-Porn videos of themselves slicing off the heads of bound and helpless human beings, burning other people to death, etc.

Yes.. and at least two of them have been Brits - who are succeeding in their aim to polarise communities - you are a 'victim' ... why should the vast maj of folks pay a heavy price for the actions of societies 'losers' who find some pleasure in the 'cause' which bears little - if any - to the religion they claim to represent ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 21, 2016, 08:47:15 AM

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-bush-ad-depicts-trump-as-gop-nominee/article/2581048

What a great ad . . . . . . . .

It plays directly on any real Republicans greatest fear!

Trump CANNOT beat Hillary. His negative rating is just too high to be successful.

We need to BAIL on Donald Trump now!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 21, 2016, 09:00:40 AM

Not voting is not a choice though is it. That's what I am getting at.

If you don't like Trump and as a result choose to not vote then in all probability you will be enabling the Democratic candidate.

If you want to have a Democratic candidate in preference to Trump then you should vote for the Democratic candidate.

Would you prefer Clinton or Trump in the White House? Vote to your preferences, surely?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2016, 09:36:12 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 20, 2016, 05:56:04 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM

It would seem to me that that Britain's interests (or the collective interest of individual BritONS) would best be served by solving ACTUAL problems that are ACTUALLY going in inside Britain, such as the ongoing Muzzy problem, and their penchant for (a) benefits, (b) child sexual abuse, and (c) violence.

Well, BB... You will be the 'darling' of my fellow [unthinking] Brits - but over one in 10 adults signed the petition to ask the govt to keep 'Wazzocks' like Trump out - in order to remind him and set an example .. that whilst this is a maj. 'Christian'nation - thanks Mr Cameron for- finally - coming out and saying it.. Most 'normal' people know the vast maj. of Muslims are not rapists, 'terrorists', etc.,

How did you work that out?

Quote from: Moby

As I KEEP reminding folks here - most of the intelligence that prevents terrorist acts comes from the Muslim community...'great idea' to isolate them - because of a few bad apples... You see, B.B, I have experience of terrorism..the British govt. thought it would be a 'good' idea to lock up potential terrorists and lost the support of many Roman Catholics in N.Ireland who were not in favour of violence.

Do tell us how you know where the intelligence comes from?

Quote from: Moby

Sure, there's plenty of other things to worry about - but Trump's speech did cross a line across the Political spectrum in the UK - clearly - for many people.

Only for the liberal fluffy muzzie lovers. You are a minority.

Quote from: Moby

Your 'spin' on the emotion felt - from my point of view it was anger - anger that a man who Americans could put in the Whitehouse could be such an imbecile. In case there's any doubt - I signed the petition.

Good for you. Did that make you feel all warm and fluffy inside?

Quote from: Moby

However, I did point out the , Muslims haven't been over-emphasis on these horrible crimes being committed by Pakistani origin males and the participation of Anglo -Saxons, and the previous scandals of Churches and Childrens' Homes, once again... If you respond on this - you will be the first .... to get some perspective that proportionally any more predatory.

The wrongdoing of another group does not redact the crimes of the former. You are trying to link two separate issues. There is no crossover here.

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

If you care to check back, I accept that in the case of Rotherham [ and Oxford, Derby, Bristol ] authorities were reluctant to dig too deep because of the 'racist' accusations - but to pretend those benefiting were just men of Pakistani Asian origin is somewhat disingenuous

Do tell us who else benefited here? Surely not those young Anglo Saxon girls on the receiving end?

Quote

I guess you could say that those who were reluctant to investigate - lest being accused of racism were 'complicit' - but unless they took advantage of the victims, I'd say they were criminally negligent.

No, they were complicit, as in they knew what was happening but deliberately chose to keep it under wraps. That isn't negligence.

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

There are plenty of scandals involving the R.Catholic Church in Britain and Ireland and other trusted carers who have ruined kids lives who are 'Anglo-Saxons or Celts' ... let's be realistic....

Don't be an apologist for the muzzles. "others have done similar......so why shouldn't the muzzies?" Is that really your argument?

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

but we are discussing - in this moment - the possibility - now remote - probably on economic grounds - that someone promoting ignorance re religion - should be excluded from visiting ..BRITAIN

Quote from: moby

I simply do not know enough about the characters / policies to comment - I only entered this thread - because Trump's comments - to me - seemed to me- to be polarising, promoting hatred through ignorance..

Why don't you shout from the rooftops about the hatred emanating from those whom you seek to defend? Why is there a deafening silence regarding that?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 21, 2016, 09:52:04 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 20, 2016, 05:56:04 PM

but over one in 10 adults signed the petition to ask the govt to keep 'Wazzocks' like Trump out

Are you suggesting more than 6.4 million people in the UK signed the Trump petition? ??? ??? ???

I see 577,000 signatures which equates to 0.9% of the population........and to you that's a majority percentage? This is why lefties need fact checking, after running their mouths off in public. :chuckle:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003

The rest of your reply to BB is also mostly bollocks and spin. There's a global problem and one obvious common denominator but if folks like you feel the need to be offended on their behalf then go for. However, don't mouth off suggesting your train of thought, is shared by the majority of your fellow Brits.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2016, 10:38:02 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 21, 2016, 09:52:04 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 20, 2016, 05:56:04 PM
but over one in 10 adults signed the petition to ask the govt to keep 'Wazzocks' like Trump out

Are you suggesting more than 6.4 million people in the UK signed the Trump petition? ??? ??? ???

I see 577,000 signatures which equates to 0.9% of the population........and to you that's a majority percentage? This is why lefties need fact checking, after running their mouths off in public. :chuckle:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003

The rest of your reply to BB is also mostly bollocks and spin. There's a global problem and one obvious common denominator but if folks like you feel the need to be offended on their behalf then go for. However, don't mouth off suggesting your train of thought, is shared by the majority of your fellow Brits.

Rosco, the guardinista liberati don't deal in facts. As BB so eloquently puts it, they just feelz.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 21, 2016, 11:31:09 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2016, 09:36:12 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 20, 2016, 05:56:04 PM

You see, B.B, I have experience of terrorism..the British govt. thought it would be a 'good' idea to lock up potential terrorists and lost the support of many Roman Catholics in N.Ireland who were not in favour of violence.

What experience do you have ref Northern Ireland?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 21, 2016, 01:06:09 PM

Quote from: rosco on January 21, 2016, 09:52:04 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 20, 2016, 05:56:04 PM
but over one in 10 adults signed the petition to ask the govt to keep 'Wazzocks' like Trump out

Are you suggesting more than 6.4 million people in the UK signed the Trump petition? ??? ??? ???

Quote of the week. Moby busted lying his muzzie-apologist, lefty arse off. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on January 21, 2016, 01:13:05 PM

More and more legal opinions are saying Ted Cruz is not a natural born US citizen and therefore is not eligible to be US president. Currently Cruz is Trump's closest rival for the GOP nomination.

Cruz has to get the question of his eligibility sorted out now because if he is the GOP candidate for president the Democrats will certainly take issue with his eligibility.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/7/71/1265855/opinion-cruz-really-natural-born-american

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 21, 2016, 01:13:33 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 21, 2016, 01:06:09 PM

Quote from: rosco on January 21, 2016, 09:52:04 AM
Quote from: msmoby on January 20, 2016, 05:56:04 PM
but over one in 10 adults signed the petition to ask the govt to keep 'Wazzocks' like Trump out

Are you suggesting more than 6.4 million people in the UK signed the Trump petition? ??? ??? ???

Quote of the week. Moby busted lying his muzzie-apologist, lefty arse off. :ROFL:

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 21, 2016, 01:47:13 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 21, 2016, 01:13:05 PM

More and more legal opinions are saying Ted Cruz is not a natural born US citizen and therefore is not eligible to be US president. Currently Cruz is Trump's closest rival for the GOP nomination.

Cruz has to get the question of his eligibility sorted out now because if he is the GOP candidate for president the Democrats will certainly take issue with his eligibility.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/7/71/1265855/opinion-cruz-really-natural-born-american

As usual, you are totally off base.

The Constitution doesn't define "natural born citizen"

The Laws (Congress) and the Courts have the legal responsibility to define it.

Let's start with The Naturalization Act of 1790 which stated that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens". It can't get any clearer than that. A plethora of court decisions have reaffirmed that interpretation.

Give it up West Coast. Cruz is a natural born citizen. There is absolutely ZERO doubt about it.

You are perhaps the biggest troll on this forum.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on January 21, 2016, 06:40:29 PM

Even laying aside the issue over Cruz's citizenship - really, you look at the lineup of who the Republicans have to choose from, and you ask yourself, "out of 300 million, this is the best we can find?"

And don't worry about Trump vs Hillary - she would be hog-slaughtered by Trump. Instead worry about Bernie gathering up enough True Believers (in USSR times they called them, 'useful idiots') and then somehow slithering into power.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 21, 2016, 07:21:08 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 20, 2016, 05:56:04 PM

Well, BB... You will be the 'darling' of my fellow [unthinking] Brits - but over one in 10 adults signed the petition to ask the govt to keep 'Wazzocks' like Trump out - in order to remind him and set an example .. that whilst this is a maj. 'Christian'nation - thanks Mr Cameron for- finally - coming out and saying it.. Most 'normal' people know the vast maj. of Muslims are not rapists, 'terrorists', etc.,

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2016, 09:36:12 AM

How did you work that out?

It's not rocket science, DS. Take the number of people entitled to vote in the UK - work out how many Brits signed the petition ..

Quote from: Moby

As I KEEP reminding folks here - most of the intelligence that prevents terrorist acts comes from the Muslim community...'great idea' to isolate them - because of a few bad apples... You see, B.B, I have experience of terrorism..the British govt. thought it would be a 'good' idea to lock up potential terrorists and lost the support of many Roman Catholics in N.Ireland who were not in favour of violence.

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2016, 09:36:12 AM

Do tell us how you know where the intelligence comes from?

Obtuse or... DS ?

IF you bothered to pay attention - Police, Security services - CONSTANTLY - point this out...

Quote from: Moby

Sure, there's plenty of other things to worry about - but Trump's speech did cross a line across the Political spectrum in the UK - clearly - for many people.

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2016, 09:36:12 AM

Only for the liberal fluffy muzzie lovers. You are a minority.

I must have missed the petition from your 'majority' asking that Trump be allowed access to the UK.. I know this is 'hard' for you - but I am not a believer ... so the 'muzzie lover' is just more ignorance on your part...

Quote from: Moby

Your 'spin' on the emotion felt - from my point of view it was anger - anger that a man who Americans could put in the Whitehouse could be such an imbecile. In case there's any doubt - I signed the petition.

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2016, 09:36:12 AM

Good for you. Did that make you feel all warm and fluffy inside?

I doubt the question was serious, my emotion was more - 'for all the good it will do'...

Quote from: Moby

However, I did point out the , Muslims haven't been over-emphasis on these horrible crimes being committed by Pakistani origin males and the participation of Anglo -Saxons, and the previous scandals of Churches and Childrens' Homes, once again... If you respond on this - you will be the first .... to get some perspective that proportionally any more predatory.

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2016, 09:36:12 AM

The wrongdoing of another group does not redact the crimes of the former. You are trying to link two separate issues. There is no crossover here.

Rather, it seems you are prepared to ignore the facts - are you so 'agenda-driven' to become so blind / narrow minded ? I have never made little of crimes against the person - particularly kids.

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM

If you care to check back, I accept that in the case of Rotherham [ and Oxford, Derby, Bristol ] authorities were reluctant to dig too deep because of the 'racist' accusations - but to pretend those benefiting were just men of Pakistani Asian origin is somewhat disingenuous

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2016, 09:36:12 AM

Do tell us who else benefited here? Surely not those young Anglo Saxon girls on the receiving end?
Quote

Now, you're simply proving a 'twat' ... I have two daughters, you moron .. I was - and well you know it - referring to AS who took advantage of the groomed kids..

Quote from: msmoby

I guess you could say that those who were reluctant to investigate - lest being accused of racism were 'complicit' - but unless they took advantage of the victims, I'd say they were criminally negligent.

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2016, 09:36:12 AM
No, they were complicit, as in they knew what was happening but deliberately chose to keep it under wraps. That isn't negligence.

IF they knew - then - yes - complicit - but depending on their position - - seniority - their penalty should vary, yes ?

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
There are plenty of scandals involving the R.Catholic Church in Britain and Ireland and other trusted carers who have ruined kids lives who are 'Anglo-Saxons or Celts' ... let's be realistic....

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2016, 09:36:12 AM
Don't be an apologist for the muzzles. "others have done similar......so why shouldn't the muzzies?" Is that really your argument?

NO - as I think you know, I'm suggesting those too quick to blame one community as a whole for the actions of bad apples need to maintain perspective - bearing in mind the examples given..

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
but we are discussing - in this moment - the possibility - now remote - probably on economic grounds - that someone promoting ignorance re religion - should be excluded from visiting ..BRITAIN

Quote from: moby
I simply do not know enough about the characters / policies to comment - I only entered this thread - because Trump's comments - to me - seemed to me- to be polarising, promoting hatred through ignorance..

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2016, 09:36:12 AM
Why don't you shout from the rooftops about the hatred emanating from those whom you seek to defend? Why is there a deafening silence regarding that?

I am defending the right of the vast maj. of 'muzzies' who are just as repelled by the actions of a few and you seem quite happy to ignore the same actions by 'our own' .. but I don't hear you or Trump asking for - say - the R.Catholics to be prevented from entering.. That - to me - is how daft he [ therefore you ] sounds.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on January 21, 2016, 10:18:27 PM

^ We should be getting some feedback in the polls now that Palin has endorsed Trump. Stay tuned.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on January 21, 2016, 11:32:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 21, 2016, 01:47:13 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 21, 2016, 01:13:05 PM
More and more legal opinions are saying Ted Cruz is not a natural born US citizen and therefore is not eligible to be US president. Currently Cruz is Trump's closest rival for the GOP nomination.

Cruz has to get the question of his eligibility sorted out now because if he is the GOP candidate for president the Democrats will certainly take issue with his eligibility.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/opinion/7/71/1265855/opinion-cruz-really-natural-born-american

As usual, you are totally off base.

The Constitution doesn't define "natural born citizen"

The Laws (Congress) and the Courts have the legal responsibility to define it.

Let's start with The Naturalization Act of 1790 which stated that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens". It can't get any clearer than that. A plethora of court decisions have reaffirmed that interpretation.

Give it up West Coast. Cruz is a natural born citizen. There is absolutely ZERO doubt about it.

You are perhaps the biggest troll on this forum.

Shakey, troll's the best you can do?

As the article states "natural born citizen" had a different meaning back when the US founding fathers wrote the Constitution. It meant, according to the article, "someone born within the sovereign territory with one narrow exception. The exception was for children of public officials serving abroad, which does not help Cruz because his parents were not serving the United States when he was born in Canada. The case of John McCain was entirely different because he was born in a U.S. territory (the Panama Canal Zone) and to U.S. parents who were serving the U.S. military."

Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe agrees with this definition of a "natural born citizen".

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/11/laurence-tribe-ted-cruz-donald-trump-citizen-president

Shakey perhaps you could write an editorial like Manny did. Maybe for RT or a big American media company. Tell them a little about yourself, that you don't have a law degree, but you obviously know more about constitutional law than any Harvard law professor and you're positive Cruz is a natural born citizen because you just know he is. I'm sure that'll impress those liberal academics. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on January 22, 2016, 12:16:24 AM

RealClearPolitics latest Polls:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_caucus-3194.html

CNN - not a friend of Trump - Trump up 11+ points versus Cruz - After Cruz criticized by the Iowa Governor and The Sara Palin Endorsement of Mr. Trump.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_presidential_primary-3350.html

In New Hampshire first in the nation true secret ballot Primary Trump 21+ points ahead of Cruz and 20+ points ahead of Kasich and Trump Trending up while the rest trending down... The media if it were anyone but Mr. Trump would be forecasting a Landslide combined with an Avalanche wiping out the so called competition.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

Nationwide it is Mr. Trump by a landslide...

As for Clinton vs Trump as soon as the primaries are over and Trump organization turns its attention to Bill and Hillary Clinton's extensive criminal activities it will be a similar result.

The media is currently protecting the Clinton's by ignoring their massive Criminal RICO felony offenses...

Though Major Media Outlets are finally bringing the facts of Clinton's racketeering to light:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hillary-clinton-emails-contained-info-above-top-secret-ig-n499886
Charles McCulllough, the intelligence community's inspector general, said in a letter to the chairmen of the Senate intelligence and foreign affairs committees that he has received sworn declarations from an intelligence agency he declined to name.

The declarations cover "several dozen emails containing classified information determined by the IC element to be at the CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET and TOP SECRET/SAP information."

An intelligence official familiar with the matter told NBC News that the special access program in question was so sensitive that McCullough and some of his aides had to receive clearance to be read in on it before viewing the sworn declaration about the Clinton emails.

Next up the multiple felonies committed via the Clinton Global Initiative Foundation...

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Rudy-Giuliani-Hillary-Avoid-Indictment/2016/01/20/id/710157/
Rudy Giuliani: Hillary Can't Avoid Indictment in Email Scandal

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/07/379870-rudy-giuliani-says-hillary-clinton-investigation-u-s-attorneys-five-crimes/
Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani said during an interview on CNN’s “New Day” Wednesday morning that if he were still a sitting U.S. Attorney, he would prosecute Hillary Clinton.

As a prosecutor, Giuliani said, he would have Clinton under investigation for “about five different crimes,” although he didn’t expressly say what those crimes are.

The former Mayor of New York City continued on to express the outrage he has for the Department of Justice, which hasn’t initiated a criminal probe into Clinton’s use of a private email server:

“I think it’s outrageous that the Justice Department is not moving forward with this. General Petraeus, a lot of other people have gone to jail.”

Giuliani added that he believes there is a “clear conflict of interest” between Clinton’s tenure as Secretary of State and the Clinton Foundation, in addition to organizations that paid President Bill Clinton to speak.

Giuliani echoed the sentiment of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump, who condemned Clinton last weekend for her “criminal actions” that were “far worse than what Gen. [David] Petraeus did.”

It is so bad that the DNC is in full on panic - rumors of Biden and Obama getting behind O'Malley who is at least on the ballot across the country as Bernie is a DNC nightmare and even rumors Obama might declare martial Law and appoint himself El Presidente for Life like his buddies the Castros in Cuba - the will of the People be damned just like Obama's kindred spirit Merkel in Der Vaterland.

May you live in interesting times.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 22, 2016, 01:55:48 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 21, 2016, 07:21:08 PM

It's not rocket science, DS. Take the number of people entitled to vote in the UK - work out how many Brits signed the petition ..

You don't have to be a registered voter to sign a petition, the whole country was eligible and 0.9% chose to do so. Now it appears as though there was a huge public outcry....or so the liberal spin will have us believe.

(:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 22, 2016, 11:00:35 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 21, 2016, 11:32:40 PM

As the article states "natural born citizen" had a different meaning back when the US founding fathers wrote the Constitution. It meant, according to the article, "someone born within the sovereign territory with one narrow exception. The exception was for children of public officials serving abroad, which does not help Cruz because his parents were not serving the United States when he was born in Canada. The case of John McCain was entirely different because he was born in a U.S. territory (the Panama Canal Zone) and to U.S. parents who were serving the U.S. military."

I didn't read an article. I went to the source and read the text of the original law. I even quoted it word for word. Not one mention of "children of public officials serving abroad". There was some mention of the father having to have lived in the USA for a certain period of time prior to the birth of the child.

Law school graduate or not, your author's opinion is not supported by the law or court decisions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 22, 2016, 11:13:59 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 22, 2016, 11:00:35 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 21, 2016, 11:32:40 PM
As the article states "natural born citizen" had a different meaning back when the US founding fathers wrote the Constitution. It meant, according to the article, "someone born within the sovereign territory with one narrow exception. The exception was for children of public officials serving abroad, which does not help Cruz because his parents were not serving the United States when he was born in Canada. The case of John McCain was entirely different because he was born in a U.S. territory (the Panama Canal Zone) and to U.S. parents who were serving the U.S. military."

I didn't read an article. I went to the source and read the text of the original law. I even quoted it word for word. Not one mention of "children of public officials serving abroad". There was some mention of the father having to have lived in the USA for a certain period of time prior to the birth of the child.

Law school graduate or not, your author's opinion is not supported by the law or court decisions.

Quite informative on the topic.....

http://www.constitution.org/abus/pres_elig.htm

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 22, 2016, 12:42:21 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 21, 2016, 11:32:40 PM

Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe agrees with this definition of a "natural born citizen".

Tribe is a Big, Wet Douche. Like most Arch Libs, he has no definable jurisprudence beyond "The Constitution says what I want it to say, because that's what I want." If Cruz was a hair-on-fire lib, Tribe would have come out on the other side on this one. His views, particularly in light of the present composition of SCOTUS, can be safely ignored.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on January 22, 2016, 04:41:37 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 22, 2016, 12:42:21 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 21, 2016, 11:32:40 PM
Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe agrees with this definition of a "natural born citizen".

Tribe is a Big, Wet Douche. Like most Arch Libs, he has no definable jurisprudence beyond "The Constitution says what I want it to say, because that's what I want." If Cruz was a hair-on-fire lib, Tribe would have come out on the other side on this one. His views, particularly in light of the present composition of SCOTUS, can be safely ignored.

B/B

I agree that with the present composition of the SCOTUS it's likely that if Cruz's eligibility is taken to the SCOTUS Cruz will be found eligible.

Tribe is not the only lawyer to bring up this interpretation of presidential eligibility, there are a number of articles about it in recent months. If Cruz is the GOP's choice the Dems will bring it up and it could cost the GOP the presidency unless SCOTUS or Congress makes a decision.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 22, 2016, 09:05:29 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 21, 2016, 07:21:08 PM

It's not rocket science, DS. Take the number of people entitled to vote in the UK - work out how many Brits signed the petition ..

Quote from: rosco on January 22, 2016, 01:55:48 AM

You don't have to be a registered voter to sign a petition, the whole country was eligible and 0.9% chose to do so.

''Only British citizens or UK residents have the right to sign'' - you're right ..

Quote from: rosco on January 22, 2016, 01:55:48 AM

Now it appears as though there was a huge public outcry....or so the liberal spin will have us believe.

BTW there was a petition NOT to ban Trump from UK entry

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114907#debate-threshold (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114907#debate-threshold)

As of today it has 44,325 as opposed to the ban him ... https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003/ (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003/) 577,394

Seems not a few Brits and our MPs are out of touch with reality... :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on January 23, 2016, 12:13:05 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 22, 2016, 04:41:37 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 22, 2016, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: WestCoast on January 21, 2016, 11:32:40 PM
Harvard Law professor Laurence Tribe agrees with this definition of a "natural born citizen".

Tribe is a Big, Wet Douche. Like most Arch Libs, he has no definable jurisprudence beyond "The Constitution says what I want it to say, because that's what I want." If Cruz was a hair-on-fire lib, Tribe would have come out on the other side on this one. His views, particularly in light of the present composition of SCOTUS, can be safely ignored.

B/B

I agree that with the present composition of the SCOTUS it's likely that if Cruz's eligibility is taken to the SCOTUS Cruz will be found eligible.

Tribe is not the only lawyer to bring up this interpretation of presidential eligibility, there are a number of articles about it in recent months. If Cruz is the GOP's choice the Dems will bring it up and it could cost the GOP the presidency unless SCOTUS or Congress makes a decision.

Reference the RealClearPolitics poll links supplied above - Trump is surging and Cruz's slick as goose grease act is cooked. Trump would have to be caught on video taking sloppy seconds after a bunch of NAMBLA priests finished off some NYC alter boys to lose now. Not likely to say the least.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 23, 2016, 12:04:57 PM

B/B:

I assume you agree with my analysis on whether Trump is considered an natural born citizen?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 23, 2016, 01:36:58 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 23, 2016, 12:04:57 PM

B/B:

I assume you agree with my analysis on whether Trump is considered an natural born citizen?

(Emphasis mine)

Trump was born in Queens, NY, so he is a 'natural born' citizen, regardless of his parentage (his father was born in NY, and his mother in Scotland; I do not know if his mother was naturalized or not by the time of his birth, but it is immaterial, as Trump was born in the States).

Assuming you meant Cruz, while it is not a 100% lock, the fact that he was born to a US citizen mother is pretty much game-over. It's a bit different when the father is a US citizen, the mother is not, and the child is born outside of the states (at least it was back in 2000 when a buddy of mine was trying to register his foreign born (geographically speaking) daughter as a US citizen down at the Hungarian consulate--his wife was not then a US citizen (no idea if she is now, or not; she could just have a Green Card)) The process was a bit different, IIRC, b/c citizenship flowed through the father.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 23, 2016, 01:41:12 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 23, 2016, 01:36:58 PM

Assuming you meant Cruz, while it is not a 100% lock, the fact that he was born to a US citizen mother is pretty much game-over.

Yes I did mean Cruz. Thank you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on January 23, 2016, 02:09:11 PM

Former Republican and former mayor of NYC, mega billionaire Michael Bloomberg is considering an independent bid for the White House. According to reports he's willing to spend one billion dollars of his own money on his presidential campaign

http://news.yahoo.com/michael-bloomberg-may-launch-independent-u-presidential-bid-152658508.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 23, 2016, 04:17:07 PM

The Trump blitzkrieg starts in about a week. Get ready to pay up, Mr. Shakespear! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 23, 2016, 05:03:10 PM

Really, who writes that stuff?

Invation? :whist11:

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 23, 2016, 05:15:54 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 23, 2016, 05:03:10 PM

Really, who writes that stuff?

Invation? :whist11:

ILliterate ILlegal aliens, that's who. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on January 23, 2016, 05:20:01 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 23, 2016, 05:03:10 PM

Really, who writes that stuff?

Invation? :whist11:

(Attachment Link)

If you'd post a link instead of just the image, we'd know who wrote it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 23, 2016, 05:30:33 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 23, 2016, 05:20:01 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 23, 2016, 05:03:10 PM
Really, who writes that stuff?

Invation? :whist11:

(Attachment Link)

If you'd post a link instead of just the image, we'd know who wrote it.

Why are you asking me? Anteros posted it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 23, 2016, 05:40:49 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 23, 2016, 05:20:01 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 23, 2016, 05:03:10 PM
Really, who writes that stuff?

Invation? :whist11:

If you'd post a link instead of just the image, we'd know who wrote it.

I cannot remember where I found it. Nor did I bother to proofread it. :chuckle:

(somewhere on facebook, or was it twitter?)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on January 23, 2016, 05:44:50 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 23, 2016, 05:30:33 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 23, 2016, 05:20:01 PM
Quote from: Manny on January 23, 2016, 05:03:10 PM
Really, who writes that stuff?

Invation? :whist11:

(Attachment Link)

If you'd post a link instead of just the image, we'd know who wrote it.

Why are you asking me? Anteros posted it.

Sorry.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 23, 2016, 06:26:35 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 23, 2016, 05:44:50 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 23, 2016, 05:30:33 PM
Quote from: WestCoast on January 23, 2016, 05:20:01 PM
Quote from: Manny on January 23, 2016, 05:03:10 PM
Really, who writes that stuff?

Invation? :whist11:

If you'd post a link instead of just the image, we'd know who wrote it.

Why are you asking me? Anteros posted it.

Sorry.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 23, 2016, 06:37:52 PM

Gotta love her quoting Proverbs 12:4.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/MelanieTrump?src=hash

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on January 23, 2016, 07:48:11 PM

Bloomberg is too moderate for the Feeling Bernie Crowd and too much a Cuckservative RINO for the Tea Party conservatives... And he is far too Jewish Globalist Bankster for the Conservative Christian vote... at this point he has the support for Trump totally underestimated as Bloomberg is one of the elites on the wrong side of all major issues.

Bloomber spends One Billion and he will be lucky to get a couple Percent - worse than Jeb!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 24, 2016, 09:27:55 PM

How it all might break down. Red states, blue states and swing states. TomT might be interested in commenting on this.

http://statespoll.com/post/137178999200/electoral-map-situation-january-2016-trump-244

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 24, 2016, 09:36:32 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on January 23, 2016, 07:48:11 PM

Bloomberg is too moderate for the Feeling Bernie Crowd and too much a Cuckservative RINO for the Tea Party conservatives... And he is far too Jewish Globalist Bankster for the Conservative Christian vote... at this point he has the support for Trump totally underestimated as Bloomberg is one of the elites on the wrong side of all major issues.

Bloomber spends One Billion and he will be lucky to get a couple Percent - worse than Jeb!

What the hey are you going on about? Isn't Bloomberg a Democrat?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on January 24, 2016, 10:40:08 PM

Quote from: Anteros on January 24, 2016, 09:36:32 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on January 23, 2016, 07:48:11 PM
Bloomberg is too moderate for the Feeling Bernie Crowd and too much a Cuckservative RINO for the Tea Party conservatives... And he is far too Jewish Globalist Bankster for the Conservative Christian vote... at this point he has the support for Trump totally underestimated as Bloomberg is one of the elites on the wrong side of all major issues.

Bloomber spends One Billion and he will be lucky to get a couple Percent - worse than Jeb!

Isn't Bloomberg a Democrat?

Bloomberg was a Republican and switched to Independent to run for mayor of NYC. IMHO if he runs for president he will draw votes mostly from the Democrats if his message is similar to his views as mayor of NYC.

Let's hope he runs. Trump 2016. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on January 25, 2016, 12:44:28 PM

^^^ At least Westy gets it...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 25, 2016, 02:47:42 PM

Quote from: Anteros on January 23, 2016, 04:17:07 PM

The Trump blitzkrieg starts in about a week. Get ready to pay up, Mr. Shakespear!

I'm always a prompt pay when I lose, but I'm not going to lose this one.

If Trump starts to poll over 55%, then I might change my tune.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 25, 2016, 03:48:18 PM

Hilarious - Tina Fey as Sarah Palin who in my opinion, is "batshit crazy"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on January 25, 2016, 03:57:39 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on January 25, 2016, 12:44:28 PM

^^^ At least Westy gets it...

If Trump were to win in November and become president I really don't see how he could do worse than America's last 4 or 5 presidents. He didn't become a billionaire by making a lot of bad decisions.

He understands money so hopefully he'll at least keep the US debt from increasing wildly. Who knows he might even be able to reduce it a bit.

Maybe he'll be able to create more jobs that pay much better than minimum wage. This is a real problem in the US. Too many people are working for too little money. If more people had jobs paying $20+/hr and more the economy would be better off. Get those manufacturing jobs that paid good wages back from overseas or create new jobs that pay similar wages.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 25, 2016, 04:13:06 PM

I know b all about the other Rep players ..but if this BBC article is close to reality - Gawd help us... those who can / can't vote included

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35388292 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35388292)

Is Donald Trump now unstoppable.. ?

Shakey, how I want you to win your bet, now :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 25, 2016, 04:14:41 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 25, 2016, 03:57:39 PM

Maybe he'll be able to create more jobs that pay much better than minimum wage. This is a real problem in the US. Too many people are working for too little money. If more people had jobs paying $20+/hr and more the economy would be better off. Get those manufacturing jobs that paid good wages back from overseas or create new jobs that pay similar wages.

Those kind of jobs disappeared when Obamacare was made law and required employers to provide healthcare for anyone working over 32 hours per week.

My roommate just got a job this week at Home Depot. $9.50 per hour to start and maximum 28 hours per week, so as not to trigger the Obamacare requirement.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 25, 2016, 04:15:24 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 25, 2016, 04:13:06 PM

Shakey, how I want you to win your bet, now :coffeeread:

Don't worry Moby, it's in the bag.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 25, 2016, 06:36:00 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 25, 2016, 04:15:24 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 25, 2016, 04:13:06 PM
Shakey, how I want you to win your bet, now :coffeeread:

Don't worry Moby, it's in the bag.

Keep dreaming.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-wife-remains-private-despite-prospect-of-presidency/ar-BBoF0H7?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 25, 2016, 07:25:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 25, 2016, 04:14:41 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 25, 2016, 03:57:39 PM
Maybe he'll be able to create more jobs that pay much better than minimum wage. This is a real problem in the US. Too many people are working for too little money. If more people had jobs paying $20+/hr and more the economy would be better off. Get those manufacturing jobs that paid good wages back from overseas or create new jobs that pay similar wages.
My roommate just got a job this week at Home Depot. $9.50 per hour to start and maximum 28 hours per week, so as not to trigger the Obamacare requirement.

You have a roommate? How old are you? Roommates are for college aged people. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 25, 2016, 07:28:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 25, 2016, 02:47:42 PM

Quote from: Anteros on January 23, 2016, 04:17:07 PM
The Trump blitzkrieg starts in about a week. Get ready to pay up, Mr. Shakespear!

I'm always a prompt pay when I lose, but I'm not going to lose this one.

If Trump starts to poll over 55%, then I might change my tune.

I really don't understand why you're being so delusional about this. Who other than Trump has a chance to win the Republican nomination?

Cruz has a distant chance. Marco Rubio perhaps slightly better than Cruz has a chance. Do you know something the rest of us don't know?

When people wait to see Trump for 5 hours in sub-zero temperatures, what else is there? Has Cruz or Rubio been pulling in 25,000 people per event? Not even close.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on January 25, 2016, 07:31:03 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 25, 2016, 03:57:39 PM

...I really don't see...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on January 25, 2016, 08:25:58 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 25, 2016, 04:14:41 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 25, 2016, 03:57:39 PM
Maybe he'll be able to create more jobs that pay much better than minimum wage. This is a real problem in the US. Too many people are working for too little money. If more people had jobs paying $20+/hr and more the economy would be better off. Get those manufacturing jobs that paid good wages back from overseas or create new jobs that pay similar wages.

Those kind of jobs disappeared when Obamacare was made law and required employers to provide healthcare for anyone working over 32 hours per week.

My roommate just got a job this week at Home Depot. $9.50 per hour to start and maximum 28 hours per week, so as not to trigger the Obamacare requirement.

My wife works for 7 different Dentists at 4 different offices. but no insurance provided by any.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on January 25, 2016, 09:05:03 PM

I have noticed that Fox News is inflating Trump's numbers nationally, PPP is inflating them in North Carolina and Florida Atlantic, Bay News 9 and PPP are inflating them in Florida. Some may recall that the Florida Times, TBT/Herald/Mason Dixon and WeAskAmerica called Florida for Romney in 2012 but Obama took their 29 electoral votes. The players are different but the game is the same.

This is not going to be the "hog slaughter" that Trump's low-information fans believe... unless the Donald is the hog.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on January 25, 2016, 10:30:49 PM

Lets look at the facts:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_caucus-3194.html
Trump now beyond the Statistical margin of Error in IOWA.

New Hampshire - Trump by a landslide followed by an avalanche death nell to the hangers on:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_republican_presidential_primary-3350.html

Note Boston Herald is far from Pro Trump as T2 mentioned re Fox.

New Hampshire Republican Presidential Primary Boston Herald/FPU Trump 33, Cruz 14, Kasich 12, Rubio 8, Bush 9, Christie 7, Paul 3, Fiorina 5, Carson 4, Huckabee 1, Santorum 0 Trump +19

New Hampshire 2016 Democratic Primary Boston Herald/FPU Sanders 55, Clinton 39, O'Malley 2 Sanders +16

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/sc/south_carolina_republican_presidential_primary-4151.html

CBS is NOT pro Trump and its a repeat of New Hampshire Trump by 19+

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/fl/florida_republican_presidential_primary-3555.html

CBS again Trump by 19 in Sunny Florida - Jeb and Rubio home turf!

And Nationwide Trump by 17 per CBS...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

Looks like Trump may actually Run the Table nationwide.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on January 25, 2016, 11:36:54 PM

Quote from: yankee on January 25, 2016, 08:25:58 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 25, 2016, 04:14:41 PM
Quote from: WestCoast on January 25, 2016, 03:57:39 PM
Maybe he'll be able to create more jobs that pay much better than minimum wage. This is a real problem in the US. Too many people are working for too little money. If more people had jobs paying $20+/hr and more the economy would be better off. Get those manufacturing jobs that paid good wages back from overseas or create new jobs that pay similar wages.

Those kind of jobs disappeared when Obamacare was made law and required employers to provide healthcare for anyone working over 32 hours per week.

My roommate just got a job this week at Home Depot. $9.50 per hour to start and maximum 28 hours per week, so as not to trigger the Obamacare requirement.

My wife works for 7 different Dentists at 4 different offices. but no insurance provided by any.

Why is it that American business and the GOP are so against providing decent healthcare? Canada's healthcare is far better than anything Obamacare provides. Healthcare in Europe in most countries is better than Obamacare.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on January 26, 2016, 01:39:36 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 25, 2016, 11:36:54 PM

Quote from: yankee on January 25, 2016, 08:25:58 PM
Quote from: shakespear on January 25, 2016, 04:14:41 PM
Quote from: WestCoast on January 25, 2016, 03:57:39 PM
Maybe he'll be able to create more jobs that pay much better than minimum wage. This is a real problem in the US. Too many people are working for too little money. If more people had jobs paying $20+/hr and more the economy would be better off. Get those manufacturing jobs that paid good wages back from overseas or create new jobs that pay similar wages.

Those kind of jobs disappeared when Obamacare was made law and required employers to provide healthcare for anyone working over 32 hours per week.

My roommate just got a job this week at Home Depot. $9.50 per hour to start and maximum 28 hours per week, so as not to trigger the Obamacare requirement.

My wife works for 7 different Dentists at 4 different offices. but no insurance provided by any.

Why is it that American business and the GOP are so against providing decent healthcare? Canada's healthcare is far better than anything Obamacare provides. Healthcare in Europe in most countries is better than Obamacare.

I gets complicated - over 25% of US Healthcare ($Trillion+ per year) is in insurance and administrative costs... big money at stake.

Most US Corps provide Blue Cross Blue Shield or something like United Healthcare... point is the Big Healthcare Insurers and Big Pharma have massive lobbying efforts and make sure the $$$ gets circulated to all friendly Congressmen and US Senators - big money they can count on for their re-election campaigns - so it is phuck the average american with High Costs and higher deductibles and high prescription costs.

More and more Corporations are fobbing off retirees and even employees onto Obamacare to shift costs to employees so eventually there will be a critical mass... but for the time being you can see why so many AARP members resonate with Bernie on Medicare for All and doubling Social Security payments.

The AARP lobby is huge and powerful because AARP members can be counted on to vote over 90% unlike self absorbed video game playing college kids and stoners...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on January 26, 2016, 02:04:05 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on January 26, 2016, 01:39:36 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 25, 2016, 11:36:54 PM
Quote from: yankee on January 25, 2016, 08:25:58 PM
Quote from: shakespear on January 25, 2016, 04:14:41 PM
Quote from: WestCoast on January 25, 2016, 03:57:39 PM
Maybe he'll be able to create more jobs that pay much better than minimum wage. This is a real problem in the US. Too many people are working for too little money. If more people had jobs paying $20+/hr and more the economy would be better off. Get those manufacturing jobs that paid good wages back from overseas or create new jobs that pay similar wages.

Those kind of jobs disappeared when Obamacare was made law and required employers to provide healthcare for anyone working over 32 hours per week.

My roommate just got a job this week at Home Depot. $9.50 per hour to start and maximum 28 hours per week, so as not to trigger the Obamacare requirement.

My wife works for 7 different Dentists at 4 different offices. but no insurance provided by any.

Why is it that American business and the GOP are so against providing decent healthcare? Canada's healthcare is far better than anything Obamacare provides. Healthcare in Europe in most countries is better than Obamacare.

I gets complicated - over 25% of US Healthcare ($Trillion+ per year) is in insurance and administrative costs... big money at stake.

Most US Corps provide Blue Cross Blue Shield or something like United Healthcare... point is the Big Healthcare Insurers and Big Pharma have massive lobbying efforts and make sure the $$$ gets circulated to all friendly Congressmen and US Senators - big money they can count on for their re-election campaigns - so it is phuck the average american with High Costs and higher deductibles and high prescription costs.

More and more Corporations are fobbing off retirees and even employees onto Obamacare to shift costs to employees so eventually there will be a critical mass... but for the time being you can see why so many AARP members resonate with Bernie on Medicare for All and doubling Social Security payments.

The AARP lobby is huge and powerful because AARP members can be counted on to vote over 90% unlike self absorbed video game playing college kids and stoners...

That's pretty much what my friends in southern California say, healthcare is big money and the healthcare industry pays politicians big money to keep socialised medicine out of the US.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 26, 2016, 11:29:04 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 25, 2016, 02:47:42 PM

Quote from: Anteros on January 23, 2016, 04:17:07 PM
The Trump blitzkrieg starts in about a week. Get ready to pay up, Mr. Shakespear!

I'm always a prompt pay when I lose, but I'm not going to lose this one.

If Trump starts to poll over 55%, then I might change my tune.

It is certainly moving in that direction. He is now over 55% with Republican voters.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-polling/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 26, 2016, 11:47:26 AM

Quote from: Anteros on January 26, 2016, 11:29:04 AM

It is certainly moving in that direction. He is now over 55% with Republican voters.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-polling/index.html

Please quote your own source correctly -

41% isn't 55%

In actuality it's probably really only 35%

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 26, 2016, 12:11:04 PM

Quote from: Anteros on January 25, 2016, 07:28:28 PM

I really don't understand why you're being so delusional about this. Who other than Trump has a chance to win the Republican nomination?

It takes 1237 delegates to win the Republican nomination. My guess is NONE of the candidates will have reached that number number when all the primaries are finished.

Quote from: Anteros on January 25, 2016, 07:28:28 PM

Cruz has a distant chance. Marco Rubio perhaps slightly better than Cruz has a chance. Do you know something the rest of us don't know?

I still like Rubio's chances best. Cruz? EVERYBODY in Washington DC hates him - they really hate him. I think he will fade rather quickly as the primaries progress. I still say Trump will not get the nomination.

Quote from: Anteros on January 25, 2016, 07:28:28 PM

When people wait to see Trump for 5 hours in sub-zero temperatures, what else is there?

They've already shown their ignorance in supporting a television ass-clown for President. That behavior confirms it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 26, 2016, 12:35:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 26, 2016, 11:47:26 AM

Quote from: Anteros on January 26, 2016, 11:29:04 AM
It is certainly moving in that direction. He is now over 55% with Republican voters.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/26/politics/donald-trump-ted-cruz-polling/index.html

Please quote your own source correctly -

41% isn't 55%

In actuality it's probably really only 35%

I did not phrase my statement precisely. Here is a quote from the link I posted above.

quote
"Overall, a majority of registered voters (56%) now say they think Trump will win his party's nomination for president, and that rises to 68% among Republican voters. Last summer, 40% of registered voters said they thought Bush would top the GOP ticket in 2016 -- now, just 5% say so."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 26, 2016, 12:39:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 26, 2016, 12:11:04 PM

Quote from: Anteros on January 25, 2016, 07:28:28 PM
I really don't understand why you're being so delusional about this. Who other than Trump has a chance to win the Republican nomination?

It takes 1237 delegates to win the Republican nomination. My guess is NONE of the candidates will have reached that number number when all the primaries are finished.

Quote from: Anteros on January 25, 2016, 07:28:28 PM
Cruz has a distant chance. Marco Rubio perhaps slightly better than Cruz has a chance. Do you know something the rest of us don't know?

I still like Rubio's chances best. Cruz? EVERYBODY in Washington DC hates him - they really hate him. I think he will fade rather quickly as the primaries progress. I still say Trump will not get the nomination.

Quote from: Anteros on January 25, 2016, 07:28:28 PM
When people wait to see Trump for 5 hours in sub-zero temperatures, what else is there?

They've already shown their ignorance in supporting a television ass-clown for President. That behavior confirms it.

You sure hold a lot of contempt for Trump supporters. I think that you, like the establishment, are simply far out of touch with average Americans.

Having said that I could very much live with Marco Rubio as being the nominee. Unlike you I'm loyal to the Party and will vote for whomever the people want.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 26, 2016, 01:09:39 PM

It will be interesting to see what type of ground game Trump has. That will be especially important in caucus states, particularly Iowa.

I'm not sure that the GOP will go to the convention without a nominee, as I think we'll see a spate of dropouts (or "suspended campaigns" for candidates who have delegates, fancy themselves powerbrokers, and want to bargain their chips. Also, if you suspend, but do not end your campaign, I think that likely has an effect on matching funds, which might be needed to pay off campaign debts. As for who survives NH, based on the numbers, I would expect Trump and a couple of "Trump alternatives", plus Jeb Bush, who may well hang on until the end as the last of the Plantagenet Kings/House of York, or whatever. We'll see.

On the Dem side, Hillary! is inevitable, but as we all remember, she was "inevitable" in 2008 also. At this point the guy from Maryland is sticking around to be the alternative to Crazy Uncle Bernie if H-Rod somehow goes down in flames.

One thing to keep an eye on w/r/t the Dem nomination is the count of "Super Delegates", which are delegates who are not pledged as the result of state races, but who are Dem party officials (members of the DNC, governors, mayors, congress critters, etc.). For whatever reason this always seems to be a bigger deal in the Democratic Party than in the GOP. H-Rod may have more of them locked up....for now.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 26, 2016, 03:27:26 PM

Trump train coming at 'ya, better get on board!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 27, 2016, 04:22:02 AM

REUTERS ROLLING: TRUMP 40%, CRUZ 15.2%, RUBIO 9.2%, MORE...

http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR130/filters/PARTY_ID_:2/dates/20160121-20160126/type/day

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 27, 2016, 07:33:07 AM

This is an example of how trump conducts business.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/view-how-trump-bungled-the-deal-of-a-lifetime/ar-BBoLrVt?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 27, 2016, 10:01:47 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on January 27, 2016, 07:33:07 AM

This is an example of how trump conducts business.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/view-how-trump-bungled-the-deal-of-a-lifetime/ar-BBoLrVt?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=U218DHP

This story reminds me of his little spat with Fox News right now. I'm not sure how that is going to play out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 27, 2016, 10:03:02 AM

Trump pulls out of Fox News debate.

This is all about HIM wanting to control the media cycle and focus all attention on him.

And yet the stupid people at Fox let him get away with it.

And his supporters allow him to make a mockery of the US election process.

I'm ashamed to be a Republican right now . . . . . . . . . . .
:nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 27, 2016, 10:51:16 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 27, 2016, 10:03:02 AM

Trump pulls out of Fox News debate.

This is all about HIM wanting to control the media cycle and focus all attention on him.

And yet the stupid people at Fox let him get away with it.

And his supporters allow him to make a mockery of the US election process.

I'm ashamed to be a Republican right now . . . . . . . . . . .
:nod:

Is this really the same guy who wrote about getting a BJ in the stall at some club in Moscow?

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 27, 2016, 11:26:02 AM

Fox news is no angel here. They are trying to have all this drama to raise viewership. They were not responsible in the way they conducted the last debate. It was awful excuse for news. They are also making the election process a joke.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 27, 2016, 01:08:42 PM

Quote from: Anteros on January 27, 2016, 10:51:16 AM

Is this really the same guy who wrote about getting a BJ in the stall at some club in Moscow?

Yep. Back in 2000 at the Hungry Duck. And it was a booth not a restroom stall. You're jealous I know. What does one have to do with the other?

By the way, textbook definition of a hypocrite. Why are his supporters too stupid to see him for what he is?
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump-megyn-kelly-boycott-fox-news-2011-interview-151436302.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 27, 2016, 01:12:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 27, 2016, 01:08:42 PM

Quote from: Anteros on January 27, 2016, 10:51:16 AM

Is this really the same guy who wrote about getting a BJ in the stall at some club in Moscow?

Yep. Back in 2000 at the Hungry Duck. What does one have to do with the other?

Uh, okay. I really don't get why you claim to be ashamed to be a Republican right now. Trump is a master at manipulating the media and as far as I'm concerned all of it ultimately rewards Republicans. No such thing as bad publicity comes to mind.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on January 27, 2016, 01:12:54 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 27, 2016, 10:03:02 AM

Trump pulls out of Fox News debate.

This is all about HIM wanting to control the media cycle and focus all attention on him.

And yet the stupid people at Fox let him get away with it.

And his supporters allow him to make a mockery of the US election process.

I'm ashamed to be a Republican right now . . . . . . . . . . .
:nod:

Your bias against Trump is nearly as biased as was your support for the incompetent Romney whose pollsters guaranteed him a win over Obama and we got 4 more years of an effed up country with Mexican and Latin drugs gangs and cartels flooding the USA with deadly poisons and a $20 Trillion USD Debt...

Interesting the Mr. Trump has decided to take his media predominance and yes true star power that has been garnering record audiences for the various TV networks that broadcast his debates and instead run an event at the same time to support wounded warriors and veterans - I guess you are ashamed of that too.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 27, 2016, 01:17:04 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on January 27, 2016, 01:12:54 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 27, 2016, 10:03:02 AM
Trump pulls out of Fox News debate.

This is all about HIM wanting to control the media cycle and focus all attention on him.

And yet the stupid people at Fox let him get away with it.

And his supporters allow him to make a mockery of the US election process.

I'm ashamed to be a Republican right now . . . . . . . . . . .
:nod:

Your bias against Trump is nearly as biased as was your support for the incompetent Romney whose pollsters guaranteed him a win over Obama and we got 4 more years of an effed up country with Mexican and Latin drugs gangs and cartels flooding the USA with deadly poisons and a $20 Trillion USD Debt...

Interesting the Mr. Trump has decided to take his media predominance and yes true star power that has been garnering record audiences for the various TV networks that broadcast his debates and instead run an event at the same time to support wounded warriors and veterans - I guess you are ashamed of that too.

Bingo! These RINO's never give up though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 27, 2016, 03:28:46 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on January 27, 2016, 01:12:54 PM

Interesting the Mr. Trump has decided to take his media predominance and yes true star power that has been garnering record audiences for the various TV networks that broadcast his debates and instead run an event at the same time to support wounded warriors and veterans - I guess you are ashamed of that too.

Funny you should mention that. Wounded Warriors is now OFF my list of charities. According to the charity's tax forms, spending on conferences and meetings went from $1.7 million in 2010, to $26 million in 2014, which is the same amount the group spends on combat stress recovery.

Apparently they've now gone the way of other big money charities that spend more money on salaries, benefits and promulgating themselves that they do supporting the cause they're dedicated to helping.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 27, 2016, 03:48:46 PM

Why regular people like Trump and why they plan to vote for him.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/27/politics/donald-trump-voters-2016-election/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 27, 2016, 03:59:37 PM

So, Shakespear, how much LESS is Wounded Warriors spending on its core mission?
How has the percentage of money for admin changed over that period?
How much has overall revenue changed?
Was 2010 an end of a paradigm or a variation that has subsequently returned to the mean?

I have a funny feeling that you might be letting your prejudices, once again, get in the way of thought?

The overall question that you may not have considered is this: how has the environment in which WW operates changed over the past decade?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on January 27, 2016, 04:15:31 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 27, 2016, 03:59:37 PM

So, Shakespear, how much LESS is Wounded Warriors spending on its core mission?
How has the percentage of money for admin changed over that period?
How much has overall revenue changed?
Was 2010 an end of a paradigm or a variation that has subsequently returned to the mean?

I have a funny feeling that you might be letting your prejudices, once again, get in the way of thought?

The overall question that you may not have considered is this: how has the environment in which WW operates changed over the past decade?

WW is 60% - 40%

I am currently working with American Disabled Vets and there numbers are more like
95% - 5%

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 27, 2016, 04:18:57 PM

Quote from: yankee on January 27, 2016, 04:15:31 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 27, 2016, 03:59:37 PM
So, Shakespear, how much LESS is Wounded Warriors spending on its core mission?
How has the percentage of money for admin changed over that period?
How much has overall revenue changed?
Was 2010 an end of a paradigm or a variation that has subsequently returned to the mean?

I have a funny feeling that you might be letting your prejudices, once again, get in the way of thought?

The overall question that you may not have considered is this: how has the environment in which WW operates changed over the past decade?

WW is 60% - 40%

I am currently working with American Disabled Vets and there numbers are more like
95% - 5%

There 'ya go Shakespear. Give your extra charity money to American Disabled Vets and not the other one. And vote for Trump when he's the nominee like a good loyal Republican. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 27, 2016, 09:17:30 PM

This is why the writer believes "the Donald" walked.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/news-analysis-why-donald-trump-walked/ar-BBoMO8N?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on January 27, 2016, 10:36:32 PM

This is an interesting pattern:

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on January 28, 2016, 09:10:20 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 27, 2016, 03:28:46 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on January 27, 2016, 01:12:54 PM
Interesting the Mr. Trump has decided to take his media predominance and yes true star power that has been garnering record audiences for the various TV networks that broadcast his debates and instead run an event at the same time to support wounded warriors and veterans - I guess you are ashamed of that too.

Funny you should mention that. Wounded Warriors is now OFF my list of charities. According to the charity's tax forms, spending on conferences and meetings went from $1.7 million in 2010, to $26 million in 2014, which is the same amount the group spends on combat stress recovery.

Apparently they've now gone the way of other big money charities that spend more money on salaries, benefits and promulgating themselves that they do supporting the cause they're dedicated to helping.

Good point sir - this is why Team Trump is supporting a variety of Veterans organizations and wounded warriors in the general term not necessarily the trademarked Wounded Warriors with their blanket that gets the country music and Hollywood heavyweights to run psa commercials for them but just like The United Way and the Red Cross have been seduced by the lights of Broadway and are spending as much of their 501C3 tax exempt funds raised on bloated Salaries and Public Relations and the aggrandizing of their cause and program as they do on helping their cause be it pets, people, children and Veterans:

Some good info a few clicks away:

https://www.treasury.gov/press-center/press-releases/Documents/0929%20finalrevised.pdf

http://www.charitynavigator.org/
Charity Navigator, America's largest independent charity evaluator, provides free ratings of the Financial Health and Accountability & Transparency of thousands of charitable organizations.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=531#.Vqo7gporLs0

Support Our Troops   Rating
Adaptive Sports Foundation   4 stars
Admiral Nimitz Foundation   4 stars
Air Force Enlisted Village   4 stars
Air Warrior Courage Foundation   4 stars
AMVETS National Service Foundation   4 stars
Armed Services YMCA   4 stars
DAV (Disabled American Veterans) Charitable Service Trust   4 stars
Fisher House Foundation   4 stars
Freedom Service Dogs of America   4 stars
Higher Ground Sun Valley   4 stars
Hire Heroes USA   4 stars
Homes for Our Troops   4 stars
Hope For The Warriors®   4 stars
Injured Marine Semper Fi Fund   4 stars
Mercy Medical Angels   4 stars
Navy SEAL Foundation   4 stars
Navy-Marine Corps Relief Society   4 stars
New England Center and Home for Veterans   4 stars
Officers' Christian Fellowship   4 stars
Operation Homefront   4 stars
Operation Support Our Troops - America   4 stars
Puppies Behind Bars   4 stars
St. Joseph Center   4 stars
The Shade Tree   4 stars
Snowball Express   4 stars
Southeastern Guide Dogs   4 stars
Special Operations Warrior Foundation   4 stars
Stephen Siller Tunnel to Towers Foundation   4 stars
Tragedy Assistance Program for Survivors   4 stars
USO Metropolitan Washington-Baltimore   4 stars
USO of Hampton Roads and Central Virginia   4 stars
USO of Illinois   4 stars
USO of Missouri, Inc.   4 stars
USO of North Carolina   4 stars
Wounded Warriors Family Support   4 stars
Air Force Aid Society   3 stars
American Red Cross   3 stars
Army Emergency Relief   3 stars
Challenged Athletes Foundation   3 stars
Coast Guard Foundation   3 stars
Congressional Medal of Honor Foundation   3 stars
Coro Northern California   3 stars
David Lynch Foundation for Consciousness-Based Education   3 stars
Democracy Now!   3 stars
Disabled Veterans' LIFE Memorial Foundation   3 stars
Freedom Alliance   3 stars
The Greater Jacksonville Area USO   3 stars
Honor Flight Network   3 stars
Interfaith Community Services, California   3 stars
Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America   3 stars
Liberty USO   3 stars
Loudoun Interfaith Relief   3 stars
Marine Corps Scholarship Foundation   3 stars
National Military Family Association   3 stars
National Veterans Foundation   3 stars
National World War II Museum   3 stars
Operation Gratitude   3 stars
Our Military Kids   3 stars
Pat Tillman Foundation   3 stars
Spirit of America   3 stars
Thanks USA   3 stars
Travis Manion Foundation   3 stars
USA Cares   3 stars
Veterans of Foreign Wars Foundation   3 stars
Veterans of Foreign Wars National Home for Children   3 stars
VMI Foundation   3 stars
Wounded Warrior Project   3 stars
American Studies Center   2 stars
Blinded Veterans Association   2 stars
Cell Phones For Soldiers   2 stars
Daughters of the American Revolution   2 stars
Move America Forward   2 stars
New Directions for Veterans   2 stars
New England Paralyzed Veterans of America   2 stars
Paralyzed Veterans of America Wisconsin Chapter   2 stars
Soldiers' Angels   2 stars
Support The Enlisted Project (STEP)   2 stars
TIRR Foundation   2 stars
U.S. Navy Memorial Foundation   2 stars
United Through Reading   2 stars
USO   2 stars
Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund   2 stars
AdoptAPlatoon Soldier Support Effort   1 stars
Coalition to Salute America's Heroes   1 stars
Help Hospitalized Veterans   1 stars
Michigan Paralyzed Veterans of America   1 stars
National Vietnam Veterans Foundation   0 stars
Paralyzed Veterans of America   0 stars
The Retired Enlisted Association Memorial Foundation   0 stars
Shiloh International Ministries   0 stars
Veterans Support Foundation   0 stars
Alaska Veteran Outreach Boxes for Heroes   DA
Armed Forces Foundation   DA
Disabled Veterans National Foundation   DA
Disabled Veterans of America   DA
National Veterans Services Fund, Inc.   DA
Paralyzed American Veterans   DA
Veterans Support Organization   DA

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With so many charities engaged in these endeavors you may wonder how you can find one to trust to spend your money wisely. To assist you we’ve compiled this list of charities supporting soldiers and their families. These organizations provide various services from lifting the troops’ morale to financial assistance for food, rent, utilities and medical expenses.

We caution you to look carefully before choosing one of these charities to support as not all operate with equal efficiency. Those with the highest ratings have demonstrated their exceptional financial health. Donors can be confident that contributions made to the higher rated charities will be spent efficiently as these charities have low overhead and fundraising costs enabling them to use more of their resources in carrying out their mission. On the other hand, the low rated charities do not operate efficiently. Much of the money donors give to those organizations ends up in the hands of for-profit fundraisers, not the brave women and men of the United States’ military and their families.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on January 28, 2016, 09:21:10 AM

This is an even more interesting pattern:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/11/report-fbi-investigation-of-hillary-clinton-expands/
An investigation into possible mishandling of classified information on Hillary Clinton’s private email server has expanded to consider whether Clinton’s work as Secretary overlapped with her work for the Clinton Foundation run by her family.

Fox News‘ Catherine Herridge published the report, citing unnamed FBI sources, Monday morning. The report indicates the initial security referral looking into whether or not classified information was mishandled has expanded to look at possible public corruption involving the Clinton Foundation.

The report paints a picture of an internal struggle within the FBI over whether or not to prosecute Clinton. Herridge quotes an unnamed FBI source saying, “many previous public corruption cases have been made and successfully prosecuted with much less evidence than what is emerging in this investigation.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/12/hillary-whistles-past-the-fbi-graveyard-but-dems-are-starting-to-look-nervous/

And to fill your Fox fetish fantasies:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/11/fbis-clinton-probe-expands-to-public-corruption-track.html

And the media wonders why so many people in Iowa and NH and SC and Nevada think their hand picked successor to Obama is DISHONEST... When was the last time a major party POTUS candidate for office had 150 FBI agents investigating them.

Bernie may have an anti capitalist hammer in one hand and a sickle in the other but at least he is honest about it.

Quote from: TomT on January 27, 2016, 10:36:32 PM

This is an interesting pattern:

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on January 28, 2016, 09:52:03 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on January 28, 2016, 09:21:10 AM

This is an even more interesting pattern:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/11/report-fbi-investigation-of-hillary-clinton-expands/
An investigation into possible mishandling of classified information on Hillary Clinton’s private email server has expanded to consider whether Clinton’s work as Secretary overlapped with her work for the Clinton Foundation run by her family.

Supposedly during the time that she was SecState, $165 BILLION worth of arms sales crossed her desk. Think about what you already know about the Clintons ... do you really and truly believe that she wouldn't be skimming even a tiny percentage of that kind of cash flow?

As it is the Clinton net worth , estimated at $100 to $120 million combined, is at my guess closer to $800 million or a billion. Skimming even 0.5% of $165 Billion would be about $750 million. Plus all the other financial crimes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on January 28, 2016, 10:18:06 AM

Note one shady pledge for CGI Clinton Global Initiative for $1 Billion US Dollars...

ONE BILLION FREAKING DOLLARS - One million is chump change to the Clintons.

Bill Clinton’s pardon of fugitive Marc Rich continues to pay big
By Peter Schweizer January 17, 2016 | 6:00am

http://nypost.com/2016/01/17/after-pardoning-criminal-marc-rich-clintons-made-millions-off-friends/

Nigerian businessman Gilbert Chagoury is well known as a close ally and business associate of Rich. The Nigerian media declared in 1999 that the “Gilbert Chagoury-Marc Rich alliance remains a formidable foe.” They sold oil on international markets together. In 2000, Chagoury was convicted in Geneva of money laundering and aiding a criminal organization in connection with the billions of dollars stolen from Nigeria during the reign of dictator Gen. Sani Abacha.

As part of a plea deal, the conviction was later expunged.

Chagoury has been very generous to the Clintons in the years following the Rich pardon. He has organized an event at which Bill was paid $100,000 to speak (in 2003), donated millions to the Clinton Foundation and in 2009 pledged a cool $1 billion to the Clinton Global Initiative. The Chagourys were also active in Hillary’s 2008 presidential bid. Michel Chaghouri, a relative in Los Angeles, was a bundler and served on her campaign staff. Numerous other relatives gave the maximum $4,600 each to her campaign.

Gilbert Chagoury, Nigerian businessman and close ally of RichPhoto: Getty Images
In return, Bill has lavished praised on Chagoury over the years. In 2005, Bill was the keynote speaker when Chagoury received the “Pride of Heritage Award” from the Lebanese community.

In 2009, CGI gave Chagoury’s company an award for sustainable development. In 2013, Bill showed up in Nigeria for a public ceremony involving one of Chagoury’s projects. When Bill Clinton had his 60th birthday party, Chagoury was an invited guest. Chagoury also attended the wedding of Bill’s longtime aide, Doug Band.

Then there’s Russian investor Sergei Kurzin. He worked for Marc Rich in the 1990s, traveling around Russia looking for suitable investment opportunities in the crumbled former Soviet Union.

An engineer by training, Kurzin has been involved in lucrative deals in Kazakhstan and other countries, including the lucrative Uranium One deal that involved Bill Clinton and Frank Giustra.

Russia bought 20 percent of all uranium production capacity in the US, a deal that needed to be signed off on by the State Department when it was headed by Hillary Clinton. While the deal was going through, Bill Clinton was paid $500,000 to give a speech in Moscow, paid for by a Russian investment bank promoting the uranium deal.

Kurzin, meanwhile, donated $1 million to the Clinton Foundation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on January 31, 2016, 07:37:41 PM

The GOP Iowa caucuses are tomorrow. What happens if Trump wins? What happens if Trump wins big? Does Jeb call it quits? Does Cruz set his sights on the VP spot? Perhaps Carly Fiorina would be the better pick for VP, to get the female vote?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on January 31, 2016, 11:07:06 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on January 31, 2016, 07:37:41 PM

The GOP Iowa caucuses are tomorrow. What happens if Trump wins? What happens if Trump wins big? Does Jeb call it quits? Does Cruz set his sights on the VP spot? Perhaps Carly Fiorina would be the better pick for VP, to get the female vote?

Or maybe Dr. Ben Carson would be the best choice to be VP? Although I don't think he will be chosen. I suspect the choice is likely to be Cruz or Rubio, provided one of them don't get the nomination.

It's certainly the most fascinating US Presidential election of my lifetime.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 01, 2016, 07:55:45 AM

Just a little insight for our foreign members who might not fully understand the US political process.

For months the news has been dominated by the primary elections for President in the states of Iowa and New Hampshire.

The Iowa Caucus, affectionately referred to as the "Hawkeye Cauci" is the first direct action taken to begin the process of choosing a President. It has held this position since 1972. While it dominates in publicity and press coverage, it has a relatively small (less than 1%) impact on the actual national election result. In fact, since 1972 the Democrat or Republican winner of the Caucus has become the next President less than 50% of the time. Iowa is the 30th ranked state in regards to population.

The New Hampshire Primary is the first actual primary election taken to begin the process of choosing a President. It has held this position since 1952. New Hampshire is the 42nd ranked state in regards to population so the election result is even more insignificant than that of Iowa. Residents of the Granite State are known for their Napoleon Complex regarding their rather contrary political opinions as our own list member Cuffy amply represents.

Several other states have tried to move their election/caucus dates forward so they can be the first, but both Iowa and New Hampshire have millions of dollars of commercial trade, hotel rooms, banquet facilities, bus and car charters that "being first" generates and the national committees of each party have so far protected each states rights to be the first.

Once the first week of February is finished, and the election calendar ramps up to full speed, the names of Iowa and New Hampshire will only be heard in passing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 01, 2016, 10:35:02 AM

Quote from: Anteros on January 31, 2016, 11:07:06 PM

Or maybe Dr. Ben Carson would be the best choice to be VP? Although I don't think he will be chosen. I suspect the choice is likely to be Cruz or Rubio, provided one of them don't get the nomination.

It's certainly the most fascinating US Presidential election of my lifetime.

What does Carson bring to the ticket? I wouldn't be surprised to see either Cruz or Rubio. If Trump wins the nomination he should choose a well-liked conservative Senator, to help grease things through on the Hill. Or he might choose someone with foreign policy experience (which was what was behind Obama's selection of Biden, (which is a bit comical as Biden is a bull that brings his own china shop with him), and also that Biden is an old, establishment white guy.) But it's Trump, so who knows?

It has been a bizarre election season, insofar as the GOP, which is probably the most reliable, mainstream political party in any Western democracy of over the past several decades, seems to be intent on self-immolation. But we'll see.

Quote from: Anteros on January 27, 2016, 01:17:04 PM

Bingo! These RINO's never give up though.

And Trump's not a RINO? He is a massive opportunist. In the past few years, he's been a Republican, a Democrat and an independent, donated more to Dems than GOPers, is a complete fraud as a "Christian" (it's painful to watch him try to pander, and I'm not religious at all.)

Quote from: WestCoast on January 31, 2016, 07:37:41 PM

The GOP Iowa caucuses are tomorrow. What happens if Trump wins? What happens if Trump wins big? Does Jeb call it quits? Does Cruz set his sights on the VP spot? Perhaps Carly Fiorina would be the better pick for VP, to get the female vote?

The Iowa caucuses are going to tell us a lot about the quality of Trump's ground game. It's not like a primary where people just show up and vote.

I don't think Jeb quits unless he's out of cash. So far, his donors are still with him, but they are awaiting the opportunity to leave in such a way as they will not be perceived as abandoning Bush. I think he's in through NH at least. Christie has gone all-in on NH and he's going to lose. Kasich may last longer. Together with Rubio, those four represent the "establishment" GOP candidates. For one to rise, the others must fall. Right now, Rubio is the one with the votes, so right now, he's the "Trump alternative" ("But what about Cruz?" You say. Fair question, but Cruz would BE Trump if Trump was not in the race--the "firebrand outsider.")

I don't see Cruz getting the VP slot. Rubio doesn't need him, and he doesn't serve any real purpose for Trump - Texas is a safe GOP state, and Cruz is, to put it gently, not popular in the Senate. If you're an outsider and you want an inside guy, Cruz is NOT it.

Fiorina? She's not going to bring women if H-Rod is the Dem nominee, doesn't bring California to the table, etc. Maybe Secretary of Commerce.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 01, 2016, 10:58:16 AM

Quote from: B.B. on February 01, 2016, 10:35:02 AM

I don't see Cruz getting the VP slot. Rubio doesn't need him, and he doesn't serve any real purpose for Trump - Texas is a safe GOP state, and Cruz is, to put it gently, not popular in the Senate. If you're an outsider and you want an inside guy, Cruz is NOT it.

Fiorina? She's not going to bring women if H-Rod is the Dem nominee, doesn't bring California to the table, etc. Maybe Secretary of Commerce.

B/B

BB - I think Kasich is the ideal VP choice. He's very popular in Ohio. He won reelection for Governor by 38%. The Republicans NEED Ohio to win in November. His name on the ticket is probably the best way to guarantee that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 01, 2016, 11:34:17 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 01, 2016, 10:58:16 AM

BB - I think Kasich is the ideal VP choice. He's very popular in Ohio. He won reelection for Governor by 38%. The Republicans NEED Ohio to win in November. His name on the ticket is probably the best way to guarantee that.

While it is true that no GOP candidate has ever been elected president without carrying Ohio, if the GOP needs to Put Kasich (or Portman) on the ticket to carry Ohio, that points to them playing defense, and it being a heavily Democratic year. If one looks at the current "toss up" states (NH, PA, OH, VA, NC, WI, IA, NV, CO, FL), the GOP *has* to win OH, FL and NC. New Hampshire and Virginia are no longer reliably GOP. If the GOP wins OH, FL and can flip PA, it's game over for the Dems. Given recent PA Dem scandals, this might be the year. The PA GOP doesn't exactly have a deep bench, but maybe Tom Corbett. Pat Toomey is up for re-election to the Senate and isn't likely to be the guy, anyway. Not sure who else there would be.

Assuming GOP wins in OH, NC and Florida, and losses in NH, PA and VA, that would leave WI, IA, CO and NV, and that would be a tough map for the GOP. Even if they won Iowa, they'd have to win WI (hint: it's been >40 years at least since WI voted for a Republican presidential candidate not named "Reagan") or BOTH NV and CO, which are both in play, whereas previously they'd be more reliably GOP.

As for Kasich, he's help in OH, certainly, and possibly in the House, although there's more turnover there, and I don't know how many friends he still has from his time there. BTW, what's up with that weird thing he does with his hands? It's sort of like the Queen Elizabeth II hand wave without the twisty part. Very odd.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 01:21:34 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 01, 2016, 10:35:02 AM

Quote from: Anteros on January 31, 2016, 11:07:06 PM
Or maybe Dr. Ben Carson would be the best choice to be VP? Although I don't think he will be chosen. I suspect the choice is likely to be Cruz or Rubio, provided one of them don't get the nomination.

It's certainly the most fascinating US Presidential election of my lifetime.

What does Carson bring to the ticket? I wouldn't be surprised to see either Cruz or Rubio. If Trump wins the nomination he should choose a well-liked conservative Senator, to help grease things through on the Hill. Or he might choose someone with foreign policy experience (which was what was behind Obama's selection of Biden, (which is a bit comical as Biden is a bull that brings his own china shop with him), and also that Biden is an old, establishment white guy.) But it's Trump, so who knows?

It has been a bizarre election season, insofar as the GOP, which is probably the most reliable, mainstream political party in any Western democracy of over the past several decades, seems to be intent on self-immolation. But we'll see.

Assuming that Trump wanted to pander to blacks then he might choose Carson. However I don't think that will be the case and I doubt if the USA will elect another black President for another 200 years after the Obama disaster.

Rubio would be a very good choice as he would likely be able to heal the rift with Hispanic voters and he seems far more popular in Congress than Cruz. Trump is a dealmaker so he would likely pick Rubio of those two.

Of course it's only barely getting going and I think Rubio has the best chance to upset Trump's chance of winning the nomination.

Trump could IMO beat Hillary Clinton whereas Cruz would likely not do well at all. Refer to Bob Dole's opinion about that matchup and I agree with Bob Dole.

Hillary should have been indicted already and I cannot figure out what is taking so long. If she does actually get indicted look for Biden to suddenly get interested in running after all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 01, 2016, 01:37:41 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 01:21:34 PM

Assuming that Trump wanted to pander to blacks then he might choose Carson.

That won't help. Blacks are 12% of the population, concentrated in urban areas and heavily Dem. Having Carson on the ticket swings *zero* states.

Quote from: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 01:21:34 PM

Rubio would be a very good choice as he would likely be able to heal the rift with Hispanic voters and he seems far more popular in Congress than Cruz. Trump is a dealmaker so he would likely pick Rubio of those two.

Rubio is the better play because of Florida also.

Quote from: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 01:21:34 PM

Hillary should have been indicted already and I cannot figure out what is taking so long. If she does actually get indicted look for Biden to suddenly get interested in running after all.

A Dem administration is going to run interference for her. Remember, this is the administration that sold guns to Mexican gangs.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 01, 2016, 01:40:35 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 01, 2016, 10:35:02 AM

I don't see Cruz getting the VP slot. Rubio doesn't need him, and he doesn't serve any real purpose for Trump - Texas is a safe GOP state, and Cruz is, to put it gently, not popular in the Senate. If you're an outsider and you want an inside guy, Cruz is NOT it. B/B

BB: I agree completely. One of the things I learned while lobbying for my industry in Washington DC is that Cruz is basically hated on both sides of the Capital. This news story from September sums it up quite nicely:

"On Monday night, Cruz’s colleagues ignored his attempt to disrupt Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s efforts to fund the government without attacking Planned Parenthood. In an unusual rebuke, even fellow Republicans denied him a “sufficient second” that would have allowed him a roll call vote. Then, his Republican colleagues loudly bellowed “no” when Cruz sought a voice vote, a second repudiation that showed how little support Cruz has: Just one other GOP senator — Utah’s Mike Lee — joined with Cruz as he was overruled by McConnell and his deputies. It was the second time that Cruz had been denied a procedural courtesy that’s routinely granted to senators in both parties. The first came after he called McConnell a liar this summer."

IMHO he's made too many enemies to get elected to any new office

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 01, 2016, 01:44:09 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 01:21:34 PM

Assuming that Trump wanted to pander to blacks then he might choose Carson. However I don't think that will be the case and I doubt if the USA will elect another black President for another 200 years after the Obama disaster.

I'd speculate that most black voters consider Carson an "Uncle Tom". If Hillary is the candidate, they'll vote for her.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 01:49:53 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 01, 2016, 01:44:09 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 01:21:34 PM
Assuming that Trump wanted to pander to blacks then he might choose Carson. However I don't think that will be the case and I doubt if the USA will elect another black President for another 200 years after the Obama disaster.

I'd speculate that most black voters consider Carson an "Uncle Tom". If Hillary is the candidate, they'll vote for her.

I agree completely. Why vote for somebody who isn't for more giveaways? Apparently the dullest tools in the drawer prefer the higher unemployment figures which are a hallmark of their Democratic masters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 01, 2016, 02:28:42 PM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 02:50:31 PM

Why is a certain Saudi Prince anti-Trump and pro-Hillary? Could it be because Hillary supports the Saudi's ability to wage war against Syria?

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/01/foxs-rupert-murdoch/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 01, 2016, 04:00:46 PM

Keep in mind the NYT HATES TRUMP and is owned by the Mexican Oligarch fat Carlos "Slim" Helu a Lebanese http://www.forbes.com/profile/carlos-slim-helu/?list=billionaires who managed to build the largest Latin American Media, Cell Phones and mobile infrastructure oligopoly and is one of the Three richest men in the world according to Forbes the other two being Gates and Buffet - Fat Slim hates Mr. Trump because Slim makes millions off of the Obama phones and many other media services he provides to the 20 to 30 Million illegal Latin Americans who overstay or invaded Norte America.

Now a Solid Bet: Donald Trump’s Nomination Chances Are Better Than 50 Percent
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/02/upshot....html?_r=0

Donald Trump is now more likely than not to win the Republican nomination.

On the day of the Iowa caucuses, the political prediction markets, where traders bet on the outcome of the election, give him a 51 percent chance of becoming the G.O.P. nominee.

Although the Republican field still nominally contains an unusually large slate of candidates, prediction market traders see a four-horse race. Mr. Trump is the clear favorite. The second favorite is Marco Rubio, at 33 percent.

Ted Cruz, who appears to be Mr. Trump’s most serious rival to win in Iowa, is not expected to do as well in less conservative states, and so he is given only an 8 percent chance. The early front-runner in the race, Jeb Bush, is now given only a 6 percent chance.

Beyond this leading pack, while Chris Christie and John Kasich have each picked up important newspaper endorsements, the markets rank them essentially as 100-to-1 long shots. The markets see no real possibility that the other candidates will win, and each is rated as more improbable to win the nomination than Mitt Romney, who is not even running.

The odds that I’m citing here come from the prediction market tracker at the PredictWise website. Prediction markets have a long track record of providing accurate election forecasts, and historically have proven to be more accurate than statistical models or polls. In this race, the markets have been slow to take Mr. Trump’s candidacy seriously, and he became the market front-runner only in the past couple of weeks, even as he has led national polls since mid-2015.

Mr. Trump is now rated to have a 59 percent chance to win Monday evening’s Iowa caucuses, a 69 percent chance to win the New Hampshire primary and a 70 percent chance to win the South Carolina primary. He’s also given a 69 percent chance to win in Nevada.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 01, 2016, 04:13:02 PM

This made me laugh...

Donald Trump as a Cockney - supposed be Ray Winstone but sounds more like Mike Reid to me!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 01, 2016, 04:21:53 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 01, 2016, 02:28:42 PM

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This chart is really a lot of Federal Fantasy numbers that have been massaged like a pro boxer...

For real numbers that corporations pay to subscribe to for their econometric forecasting models see the Real Unemployment and Inflation rates at http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data

Real Inflation is down to 4+% (Real 1980 based CPI Inflation is at 7%+) driven by the lower Gasoline, oil and NatGaz prices in the USA (We are currently paying $179.9 per gallon of regular unleaded at the pump in SoNH). And real national unemployment is up to 23+% nationwide. While Real GDP is Negative 2% and has been negative since 2005 so clearly Obama administration GDP math has been in fantasy land for quite a while now.

Trump is really the only one telling the truth and able to address this problem as Rand Paul is too shrill and all over the map with over one dozen major initiatives that the GOP and Dem establishment Reps and Senators keep fighting though I do admire Ron and Rand Paul for keeping up the good fight.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 04:33:40 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 01, 2016, 02:28:42 PM

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I suggest you look at the link which Cufflinks provided to see some more realistic numbers. Government employees are historically mostly Democrat so I simply don't have a lot of confidence in the numbers you posted, although they show an uptick in unemployment under Obama.

More telling is that 90% of black people voted for Obama and they're the ones who have suffered the most unemployment during his administration.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 01, 2016, 04:44:34 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 04:33:40 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 01, 2016, 02:28:42 PM
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I suggest you look at the link which Cufflinks provided to see some more realistic numbers. Government employees are historically mostly Democrat so I simply don't have a lot of confidence in the numbers you posted, although they show an uptick in unemployment under Obama.

More telling is that 90% of black people voted for Obama and they're the ones who have suffered the most unemployment during his administration.

And being killed by policemen.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 01, 2016, 04:45:45 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on February 01, 2016, 04:00:46 PM

Keep in mind the NYT HATES TRUMP and is owned by the Mexican Oligarch fat Carlos "Slim" Helu a Lebanese

Slim is the largest individual shareholder in "The New York Times Company" which owns the paper, however Slim's shares are "Class A" stock, meaning he has restricted voting rights (he owns ~17% of the company). The "Class B" shares, which control the company, are almost exclusively held in various Ochs-Sulzberger family trusts--the so called "Gray Lady" has been in that family for 5 generations.

That said, the NYT hates Trump, but not b/c they are "controlled by" Carlos Slim; they are not.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 04:47:37 PM

Quote from: Ste on February 01, 2016, 04:44:34 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 04:33:40 PM
Quote from: TomT on February 01, 2016, 02:28:42 PM
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I suggest you look at the link which Cufflinks provided to see some more realistic numbers. Government employees are historically mostly Democrat so I simply don't have a lot of confidence in the numbers you posted, although they show an uptick in unemployment under Obama.

More telling is that 90% of black people voted for Obama and they're the ones who have suffered the most unemployment during his administration.

And being killed by policemen.....

You're being a fruit-loop. Most blacks are killed by other blacks. The amount of blacks killed by the Police is tiny, and quite frankly each incident shows that most of them bring about their own demise.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 01, 2016, 05:01:53 PM

Quote from: Ste on February 01, 2016, 04:44:34 PM

And being killed by policemen.....

If you mean to say that 90% of persons killed by police in America are black, you are incorrect. In fact, more white people are killed by police. In the US, approximately half (49%) of people killed by police are white, 30% are black, 19% are Hispanic, and 2% are (East) Asian or "other". One may argue that blacks are "over-represented", but they are also "over-represented" in who commits crimes. Indeed, if one is white one is 25x more likely to be assaulted by a black person than the other way around.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 01, 2016, 06:03:40 PM

BRILLIANT...

"We will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 01, 2016, 07:26:47 PM

Looking like Cruz will win in Iowa

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on February 01, 2016, 07:37:34 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 01, 2016, 07:26:47 PM

Looking like Cruz will win in Iowa

Early results showed Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and real estate mogul Donald Trump in a tight race on the Republican side. Cruz had compiled 2,222 votes to Trump’s 2,107 votes with 7 percent of the precincts reporting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 01, 2016, 07:41:19 PM

Feb 1

47% reportingVote %Cruz29%Trump25.4%Rubio20.9

56% reporting Cruz still in the lead

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 01, 2016, 08:27:47 PM

Cruz won Rubio might finish number two

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 08:46:17 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 01, 2016, 08:27:47 PM

Cruz won Rubio might finish number two

Cruz has won which I don't think is really too much of a story. Privately Trump expected to lose in Iowa.

The really big story is how well Marco Rubio did, coming very close to Trump and taking 3rd place.

Now the question is if Rubio can carry this momentum on to New Hampshire and then win in South Carolina.

Obviously Shakespear is happy with tonight's results and is pinning his hopes on Rubio. I would not complain.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/429980/marco-rubios-south-carolina-strategy

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 01, 2016, 09:16:03 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 04:33:40 PM

Government employees are historically mostly Democrat so I simply don't have a lot of confidence in the numbers you posted...

Fox News should investigate Democratic government workers in the Bureau of Labor who are cooking the books to embarrass Republican administrations.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 01, 2016, 09:19:12 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 01, 2016, 08:27:47 PM

Cruz won Rubio might finish number two

What we saw tonight was the beginning of the end of the Trump campaign.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 01, 2016, 09:19:35 PM

If Cruz ends up being the GOP candidate for president and say a month before the election SCOTUS rules that he is ineligible for the presidency who replaces Cruz on the ticket? Does the runner up replace Cruz or does the GOP simply not have a candidate in the race?.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 01, 2016, 09:21:49 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 01, 2016, 09:19:12 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 01, 2016, 08:27:47 PM
Cruz won Rubio might finish number two

What we saw tonight was the beginning of the end of the Trump campaign.

Cruz didn't win by much.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 09:28:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 01, 2016, 09:19:12 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 01, 2016, 08:27:47 PM
Cruz won Rubio might finish number two

What we saw tonight was the beginning of the end of the Trump campaign.

Keep dreaming. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 01, 2016, 09:32:46 PM

I think the real surprise is that Hillary beat Bernie. There were many reports that he was going to win Iowa.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 01, 2016, 09:39:43 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 01, 2016, 09:32:46 PM

I think the real surprise is that Hillary beat Bernie. There were many reports that he was going to win Iowa.

At this point (the votes are still coming in) she's beating him by 3 tenths of a percent, 49.8% to 49.5%.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-02%20at%208.46.04%20AM_zpsgw9l4ma7.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 01, 2016, 09:43:49 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 01, 2016, 09:19:12 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 01, 2016, 08:27:47 PM
Cruz won Rubio might finish number two

What we saw tonight was the beginning of the end of the Trump campaign.

Cruz won 7 delegates and Trump won 6 and finished a solid second. I doubt Trump is too discouraged. Iowa is a strange state and not typical of the rest. I've been there often and the people I've observed are a bit weird, uptight and ultra-religious. They voted for Santorum last time and Huckabee before that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 10:12:57 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 01, 2016, 09:43:49 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 01, 2016, 09:19:12 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on February 01, 2016, 08:27:47 PM
Cruz won Rubio might finish number two

What we saw tonight was the beginning of the end of the Trump campaign.

Cruz won 7 delegates and Trump won 6 and finished a solid second. I doubt Trump is too discouraged. Iowa is a strange state and not typical of the rest. I've been there often and the people I've observed are a bit weird, uptight and ultra-religious. They voted for Santorum last time and Huckabee before that.

Previously Shakespear correctly wrote that what happens in Iowa is a very small indication of what's to come, yet now he clings to the notion that Trump is on the way out when in fact Trump will win handily in New Hampshire and South Carolina.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 01, 2016, 10:21:04 PM

Having little knowledge of the US voting system, and having really very little interest, I think that its a long and expensive drawn out, old fashioned system of finding the next idiot.
Just look at the past idiots who were elected.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 10:34:56 PM

Quote from: Ste on February 01, 2016, 04:44:34 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 01, 2016, 04:33:40 PM
Quote from: TomT on February 01, 2016, 02:28:42 PM
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I suggest you look at the link which Cufflinks provided to see some more realistic numbers. Government employees are historically mostly Democrat so I simply don't have a lot of confidence in the numbers you posted, although they show an uptick in unemployment under Obama.

More telling is that 90% of black people voted for Obama and they're the ones who have suffered the most unemployment during his administration.

And being killed by policemen.....

Here is a typical "wanted" bulletin after an armed robbery by a black thug. Do you think the Police might shoot him if he puts up a fight instead of turning himself in?

The Sanford Police Department is searching for a suspect in the armed robbery of the Golden China restaurant on Jefferson Davis Highway Friday night.
Police described the suspect as a 6-foot black male in his 20s wearing dark clothing, a black hat and glasses.
Anyone with information about the incident can call the SPD at (919) 7778-1051.
‪#‎sanfordherald‬

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 01, 2016, 10:50:59 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 01, 2016, 09:19:35 PM

If Cruz ends up being the GOP candidate for president and say a month before the election SCOTUS rules that he is ineligible for the presidency who replaces Cruz on the ticket? Does the runner up replace Cruz or does the GOP simply not have a candidate in the race?.

The chance that SCOTUS rules that way are approximately zero. If it did happen prior to the convention, then I would expect Cruz' delegates to be "released" and then the remaining candidates (or a new candidate) would vie for them. If it happened *after* the convention, that would be a real cluster :censored: . Depending on when it happened, if late enough, Cruz name might have to stay on the ballot, depending on the laws of the various states.

At any rate, the chance that SCOTUS issues a ruling at all is pretty much zero and if the did, it would not likely be in the negative.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 02:31:55 AM

Huckabee and O'Malley are out.

http://news.yahoo.com/huckabee-omalley-end-white-house-bids-040702090.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 02:45:45 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 01, 2016, 09:19:12 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 01, 2016, 08:27:47 PM
Cruz won Rubio might finish number two

What we saw tonight was the beginning of the end of the Trump campaign.

Why Shakespear is massively wrong

"Don’t put too much credence is Trump’s loss in the Iowa caucus.
It really isn’t significant.
Why?
Because the votes in Iowa were restricted to registered Republican voters and a lot of them are sticking to the party line.

Trump’s support among Republicans is out on the periphery.
The Democrat establishment knows a lot of registered Democrats favor Trump. According to The Upshot by Civis Analytics, a Democratic data firm, Democrats in the South, Appalachia and the industrial North support Trump.
In early January Mercury Analytics, a research company with clients that include MSNBC and Fox News, conducted an online poll. It revealed a full 20% of Democrats said they would go against the party line and vote for Trump in a general election.
Independents are a large factor as well.

An IVN poll conducted in September showed 25.9% of them going for Trump.
“Some of the polls that show heavy support for Trump have also shown him doing better among self-identified independents who lean Republican than among regular GOP voters. At least some of those independents may not be in the habit of voting in primaries and caucuses, which could make a robust turnout operation even more necessary,” the Los Angeles Times noted in December.
Polls can be inaccurate and fickle, of course, but the upside for Trump is he has a lot of support among people who don’t figure into party metrics.

Trump’s numbers will rise when voting begins in open voting states.
Cruz and Rubio don’t stand a chance."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 02, 2016, 07:28:46 AM

Quote from: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 02:45:45 AM

Why Shakespear is massively wrong

Why Maxx is massively wrong

The big question with Trump has always been can he convert massive turnout at political rallies into votes IN the ballot box.

Polls taken immediately before the "Hawkeye Cauci" showed Trump with anywhere from 30 to 45% of the expected vote. He only got 23% in the final tally. This shows he is UNSUCCESSFUL at converting rally supporters into actual voters.

I've always contended that a huge percentage of Trump supporters, when standing in the voting booth will not actually vote for Trump. The evidence from Iowa shows this theory is valid.

Trump will not be the Republican nominee in 2016. Bank on it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 02, 2016, 11:21:07 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 02, 2016, 07:28:46 AM

I've always contended that a huge percentage of Trump supporters, when standing in the voting booth will not actually vote for Trump. The evidence from Iowa shows this theory is valid.

Trump will not be the Republican nominee in 2016. Bank on it.

In fairness, that isn't actually how caucuses work. At any rate, the quality of Trump's ground game actually surprised me. I figured him for not being great at retail politics (and really, I am still no 100% convinced).

The picture will be a clearer in the coming days.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 02, 2016, 11:40:59 AM

From what I have read it seems that Trump polled what previous polls had suggested he'd get (within margin of error) and as such he had no reason at all to be unhappy with the result.

Support didn't fade away as some have suggested. People did what they said they'd do and that is actually pretty important for the Trump campaign.

So, the people DID actually vote for Trump.

Can I suggest that folks who are heavily emotionally invested in his success or failure stand back and look at the numbers, look at what is actually happening and try to cut through the 'spin' that is designed to confuse the electorate. There's one thing for sure, Trump is NOT what the establishment want to see and every tool that can be used is being, and will be, used to get voters to not vote for him - to a much greater degree than is normal.

Don't forget, Trump is no newcomer to politics, he has run campaigns, is used to dealing with politicians and political operators and is accustomed to working with some of the most effective political minds in the world.

I read an article on the subject a while back, here's a link to it: CLICK HERE! (http://beforeitsnews.com/gold-and-precious-metals/2015/08/behind-the-scenes-of-the-donald-trump-roger-stone-show-2654434.html)
Reading this will give some idea of his political pedigree.
The article focuses on Roger Stone, Trump's former campaign manager and gives a clear insight into the tools, tricks and concepts with which Trump will be familiar.

Here's more about the relationship: CLICK HERE! (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422353/donald-trump-roger-stone-interview)

One wonders whether Stone is as disconnected from the campaign as the public communiques suggest. Given what I read from Ame's piece above it'd not surprise me to find that Stone was still active, working as an eminence grise. For sure the campaign seems to have not suffered from Stone's public disconnection.

By the way, it looks as though Clinton's campaign team think that the next president will be Trump.

Quote

“If Donald Trump takes the Republican nomination, our party will lose more than the presidency,”

Robby Mook (http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/say-what-look-who-hillarys-campaign-manager-believes-will-be-the-next-president/)

By the way (2): Nobody likes Cruz!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 02, 2016, 05:06:41 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 01, 2016, 09:32:46 PM

I think the real surprise is that Hillary beat Bernie. There were many reports that he was going to win Iowa.

Now this is not difficult to believe,

Voter Fraud and 'Missing' Precincts: How Clinton Stole Iowa

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/voter-fraud-and-missing-precincts-how-clinton-stole-iowa/ri12583

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 06:35:03 PM

Luck of the Devil?

Six precincts in Iowa where decided by a coin toss. Hillary won all 6 coin tosses. The odds of that happening is 1 in 64 or 1.56%

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/hillary-clinton/12135394/iowa-caucus-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-coin-toss.html?sf20155938=1

Then there is this:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-03%20at%205.30.39%20AM_zpslxfpxpbf.png)

Rubio had a strong showing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 07:32:36 PM

At :18 to :40 Trump talks about Putin calling him a genius and Putin saying of Trump "He's the real leader over there in that country." Trump goes on to say, "Wouldn't be nice if we got along with Russia and others?"

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-03%20at%206.17.56%20AM_zpsvlv3tscj.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 02, 2016, 08:17:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 02, 2016, 07:28:46 AM

I've always contended that a huge percentage of Trump supporters, when standing in the voting booth will not actually vote for Trump. The evidence from Iowa shows this theory is valid.

I would point out 2 things:

1. IA caucus is public, no secret ballots, therefore social pressure might have played a factor, that would not play a factor elsewhere.

2. IA didn't go for Reagan in 1980 and chose Santorum in 2012, to cite 2 examples - IA as a predictor of who wins the Republican nomination for President is less reliable than a single coin toss ( less than 50%). Thus, not really a reliable predictor of what will happen in the future.

My prediction, Trump will make it to the convention.

What happens there is not predictable as it will be the Establishment cuckservatives vs. Trump's unholy warriors.

Rubio will be "out" soon; if you know what I mean...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 02, 2016, 08:34:31 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 02, 2016, 07:28:46 AM

I've always contended that a huge percentage of Trump supporters, when standing in the voting booth will not actually
vote for Trump. The evidence from Iowa shows this theory is valid.

Vote or Caucus? I believe you meant caucus, as B/B pointed out.

Trump has admitted that he simply did not invest much in a ground game, while on the other hand Cruz invested an enormous amount.

Trump like Kasich and a few others has invested more in New Hampshire. He did not expect to win or even do that well in Iowa, so why waste too much time and money there? He did very well overall.

What happens in NH and SC is what will be a harbinger of whether or not he wins the nomination. Iowa is too small of an event to be a great indicator.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 08:45:08 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 02, 2016, 08:17:32 PM

My prediction, Trump will make it to the convention.

What happens there is not predictable as it will be the Establishment cuckservatives vs. Trump's unholy warriors.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-03%20at%207.38.01%20AM_zpsih9er2yr.png)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-03%20at%207.42.10%20AM_zpsmv3u7eni.png)

So it is a rigged system rigged by the establishment Republicans. So perhaps Shakespear is right?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 02, 2016, 09:43:09 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 08:45:08 PM

So it is a rigged system rigged by the establishment Republicans. So perhaps Shakespear is right?

Of course I'm right. I've been trying to tell you this all along. Trump is unelectable.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 02, 2016, 10:19:24 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 08:45:08 PM

So it is a rigged system rigged by the establishment Republicans.

That depends how you define "rigged."

If the party has a mechanism to derail candidates who reek of narcissism, bigotry, racism, xenophobia, misogyny and who would date their own daughters, then good for them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 10:35:52 PM

Tom, people are getting tired of being screwed over by the two party (really one) dictatorship. They are selling the middle class down the river.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 10:36:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 02, 2016, 09:43:09 PM

Trump is unelectable.

Because it is rigged.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 02, 2016, 10:44:09 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 10:35:52 PM

Tom, people are getting tired of being screwed over by the two party (really one) dictatorship. They are selling the middle class down the river.

Electing a loud-mouthed wack-job won't solve that problem.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 02, 2016, 11:56:46 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 02, 2016, 10:44:09 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 10:35:52 PM
Tom, people are getting tired of being screwed over by the two party (really one) dictatorship. They are selling the middle class down the river.

Electing a loud-mouthed wack-job won't solve that problem.

How good a job did Bush the Younger do? Got the US involved in a war that's still creating havoc in the Middle East, the US and others parts of the world. How many hundreds of billions of USD (trillions $?) has been spent on the war in the ME? How many Americans were killed and wounded?

I'd say Trump can't do any worse. His attitude might very well be if it's not profitable don't get involved. Something many Americans and others believe. There's certainly no profit in war in the ME in this case.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 12:16:33 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 02, 2016, 10:19:24 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 08:45:08 PM
So it is a rigged system rigged by the establishment Republicans.

That depends how you define "rigged."

If the party has a mechanism to derail candidates who reek of narcissism, bigotry, racism, xenophobia, misogyny and who would date their own daughters, then good for them.

You want to applaud your own race's cultural and political dispossession in favor of whatever set of non-European peoples that the elites have decided to use to turn USA into Brazil, go ahead.

I won't.

For those on the other side of the pond - Enoch was (mostly) right... a walk around London should show that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 12:23:21 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 02, 2016, 09:43:09 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 08:45:08 PM

So it is a rigged system rigged by the establishment Republicans. So perhaps Shakespear is right?

Of course I'm right. I've been trying to tell you this all along. Trump is unelectable.

Let's say you are correct.

Do you understand that this is the last chance for the GOP?

After this election, if the establishment gets their way, the GOP will be destroyed as a political force because the base will abandon them.

You think the base haven't figured out by now:

-- What happened with Dole/Buchanan in 1996?

-- How Ron Paul got screwed over?

-- How Mitch McConnell is a puppet who will never do anything useful as Senate Majority Leader?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 03, 2016, 01:18:02 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 12:23:21 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 02, 2016, 09:43:09 PM
Quote from: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 08:45:08 PM

So it is a rigged system rigged by the establishment Republicans. So perhaps Shakespear is right?

Of course I'm right. I've been trying to tell you this all along. Trump is unelectable.

Let's say you are correct.

Do you understand that this is the last chance for the GOP?

After this election, if the establishment gets their way, the GOP will be destroyed as a political force because the base will abandon them.

You think the base haven't figured out by now:

-- What happened with Dole/Buchanan in 1996?

-- How Ron Paul got screwed over?

-- How Mitch McConnell is a puppet who will never do anything useful as Senate Majority Leader?

Wouldn't Trump complain bitterly? He'd be all over social media. He'd probably sue. There's a good chance it would cost the GOP the White House if the GOP establishment rigged the system against Trump if he legitimately wins the nomination.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 03, 2016, 03:21:01 AM

You don't get how this works do you?

If a decision is taken to not allow Trump to be nominated then legitimacy is not an issue. Think about it.

There would be no legitimate nomination. He just wouldn't be nominated - somebody else would be.

Trump is an experienced political operator, he knows how these things are managed and, unless he is more foolish than he has shown himself to be, is certainly acting to forestall, as far as possible, illegitimate acts against him and his campaign.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 03, 2016, 04:08:52 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 12:23:21 AM

After this election, if the establishment gets their way, the GOP will be destroyed as a political force because the base will abandon them.

You think the base haven't figured out by now:

Some of the base have and some of them haven't. But if Trump wins State after State in the mass majority of wins yet Rubio gets assigned as the next candidate? If so you can bet you will be right. People still believe that 'We the People' choose our leaders and they are elected in a democratic process. This will tell them they are mistaken.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 03, 2016, 05:53:55 AM

More on that article

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-03%20at%204.46.34%20PM_zps1lwefmqk.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 06:10:41 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 03, 2016, 03:21:01 AM

You don't get how this works do you?

If a decision is taken to not allow Trump to be nominated then legitimacy is not an issue. Think about it.

There would be no legitimate nomination. He just wouldn't be nominated - somebody else would be.

Trump is an experienced political operator, he knows how these things are managed and, unless he is more foolish than he has shown himself to be, is certainly acting to forestall, as far as possible, illegitimate acts against him and his campaign.

Why are you suddenly a Trump supporter? Did you get marching orders from Moscow to become this? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 06:11:59 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 02, 2016, 10:19:24 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 08:45:08 PM
So it is a rigged system rigged by the establishment Republicans.

That depends how you define "rigged."

If the party has a mechanism to derail candidates who reek of narcissism, bigotry, racism, xenophobia, misogyny and who would date their own daughters, then good for them.

As opposed to dating their own granddaughters?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 06:17:27 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 12:23:21 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 02, 2016, 09:43:09 PM
Quote from: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 08:45:08 PM

So it is a rigged system rigged by the establishment Republicans. So perhaps Shakespear is right?

Of course I'm right. I've been trying to tell you this all along. Trump is unelectable.

Let's say you are correct.

Do you understand that this is the last chance for the GOP?

After this election, if the establishment gets their way, the GOP will be destroyed as a political force because the base will abandon them.

Bingo! The Republican party will be through as a political force, and once the Dumbocrats finally succeed in bankrupting this country and a Worldwide depression sets in which will make 2008 look like a picnic, you can expect total anarchy and a barter system. Those with weapons, property and food will be on the top of the pyramid, and the thugs in the inner-city will finally get their justice as well as the politicians.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 03, 2016, 06:33:34 AM

Ant, you really don't read too well do you?

Tell us where in what I wrote do you see me 'supporting' Trump?

Go on, tell us. :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 06:36:41 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 12:16:33 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 02, 2016, 10:19:24 PM
Quote from: Maxx on February 02, 2016, 08:45:08 PM
So it is a rigged system rigged by the establishment Republicans.

That depends how you define "rigged."

If the party has a mechanism to derail candidates who reek of narcissism, bigotry, racism, xenophobia, misogyny and who would date their own daughters, then good for them.

You want to applaud your own race's cultural and political dispossession in favor of whatever set of non-European peoples that the elites have decided to use to turn USA into Brazil, go ahead.

I won't.

For those on the other side of the pond - Enoch was (mostly) right... a walk around London should show that.

Amen! Tom if you are so eager to commit suicide for you and your progeny why not just move to a place like Africa where whites have already been assaulted and dispossessed of their property?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 03, 2016, 07:36:53 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 12:23:21 AM

Do you understand that this is the last chance for the GOP?

After this election, if the establishment gets their way, the GOP will be destroyed as a political force because the base will abandon them.

Not if the candidate does at least 50% of what they're promising to do in reference to Obamacare, immigration, supreme court justice selection, rebuilding our military, epa reform, energy policy reform and foreign policy reform.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 03, 2016, 07:44:55 AM

You do know that Enoch Powell was a leading figure behind the mass immigration into the UK in the 1950's don't you?

Nope, thought not.

As health minister in the 1950's he invited West Indian women (and their families by extension) to come and work in the United Kingdom. He was absolutely NOT against immigration. He was against unintegrated immigration - the kind that the United States sees. His 'rivers of blood' speech spoke to the necessities of the time and as a part of that movement immigration was restricted - for a time. Now the pattern of immigration has changed, but still it happens and we still need migrants.

His 'nightmare vision' for the United Kingdom did not come to pass because we did what he supported - our immigrant population, on the whole, has integrated into British society. Society has changed and adapted along the way - but that is as it should be.

Over the years, since his invitation to West Indian nurses, the United Kingdom has become more tolerant, more open and more accepting. Enoch Powell was a moving force behind those changes, those improvements.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 10:20:38 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 03, 2016, 07:36:53 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 12:23:21 AM
Do you understand that this is the last chance for the GOP?

After this election, if the establishment gets their way, the GOP will be destroyed as a political force because the base will abandon them.

Not if the candidate does at least 50% of what they're promising to do in reference to Obamacare, immigration, supreme court justice selection, rebuilding our military, epa reform, energy policy reform and foreign policy reform.

At some point people start to feel like the GOP is Lucy from the Peanuts comic strip, and the people are Charlie Brown. Every time, Lucy pulls the football away just as Charlie Brown is about to kick it.

Almost 8 years to stop ObamaCare - nothing has happened.

Many years ago, $700 million was allocated to start building a wall - nothing came of it - despite a Republican being in the White House. Immigration enforcement is non-existent, basically.

What did Roberts bring to the table? He got duped by an MIT economist named Jonathan Gruber...

etc. etc.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 03, 2016, 10:21:02 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 12:16:33 AM

You want to applaud your own race's cultural and political dispossession in favor of whatever set of non-European peoples that the elites have decided to use to turn USA into Brazil, go ahead.

I won't.

A candidate who validates racism, xenophobia, bigotry, misogyny and mental-health issues is very appealing to voters who share those traits. Since you mention Brazil, if Trump's low-information supporters move there after their role model loses the election, their departure will improve America and make Brazil no worse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 11:52:05 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 03, 2016, 10:21:02 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 12:16:33 AM
You want to applaud your own race's cultural and political dispossession in favor of whatever set of non-European peoples that the elites have decided to use to turn USA into Brazil, go ahead.

I won't.

A candidate who validates racism, xenophobia, bigotry, misogyny and mental-health issues is very appealing to voters who share those traits. Since you mention Brazil, if Trump's low-information supporters move there after their role model loses the election, their departure will improve America and make Brazil no worse.

Us racists, xenophobes, bigots and misogynists have found our man. We'd rather that you be the one to move to Brazil or some other 2nd or 3rd rate nation where you might fit in.

Ezekiel 22:30 New International Version

"I looked for someone among them who would build up the wall and stand before me in the gap on behalf of the land so I would not have to destroy it, but I found no one."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 11:55:15 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 10:20:38 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 03, 2016, 07:36:53 AM
Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 12:23:21 AM
Do you understand that this is the last chance for the GOP?

After this election, if the establishment gets their way, the GOP will be destroyed as a political force because the base will abandon them.

Not if the candidate does at least 50% of what they're promising to do in reference to Obamacare, immigration, supreme court justice selection, rebuilding our military, epa reform, energy policy reform and foreign policy reform.

At some point people start to feel like the GOP is Lucy from the Peanuts comic strip, and the people are Charlie Brown. Every time, Lucy pulls the football away just as Charlie Brown is about to kick it.

Almost 8 years to stop ObamaCare - nothing has happened.

Many years ago, $700 million was allocated to start building a wall - nothing came of it - despite a Republican being in the White House. Immigration enforcement is non-existent, basically.

What did Roberts bring to the table? He got duped by an MIT economist named Jonathan Gruber...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 12:25:56 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 03, 2016, 10:21:02 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 12:16:33 AM
You want to applaud your own race's cultural and political dispossession in favor of whatever set of non-European peoples that the elites have decided to use to turn USA into Brazil, go ahead.

I won't.

A candidate who validates racism, xenophobia, bigotry, misogyny and mental-health issues is very appealing to voters who share those traits. Since you mention Brazil, if Trump's low-information supporters move there after their role model loses the election, their departure will improve America and make Brazil no worse.

Repeating labels (I read your post the first time) used to smear those you disagree with is not a valid form of argument.

Maybe you could tell me to get off your lawn, next.

Or, you could ask someone who was politically and culturally dispossessed when their country was part of the USSR and their language, culture, economy was all in servitude to those who reigned over it. Maybe a Ukrainian. Or maybe someone from Kyrgyzstan, whatever.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 03, 2016, 12:37:42 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 10:20:38 AM

Almost 8 years to stop ObamaCare - nothing has happened.

With 60 votes needed in the Senate to end debate and then 2/3 majority needed in BOTH the House and Senate to override a Presidential veto, what did you expect for them to do?

The Republicans need the White House and 50% plus one majorities in both sides of Congress or 67 votes in the Senate AND 291 in the House to actually get anything done with an obstructionist President in the White House.

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 10:20:38 AM

Many years ago, $700 million was allocated to start building a wall - nothing came of it - despite a Republican being in the White House. Immigration enforcement is non-existent, basically.

Once again, 60 votes in the Senate needed for cloture. It might have been voted on and approved, but it needs to be APPROPRIATED in a spending bill. This has never happened because the Democrats will not allow it to get past cloture.

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 10:20:38 AM

What did Roberts bring to the table? He got duped by an MIT economist named Jonathan Gruber...

Yep, that turned out to be a horrible appointment by W

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 12:40:02 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 12:25:56 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 03, 2016, 10:21:02 AM
Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 12:16:33 AM
You want to applaud your own race's cultural and political dispossession in favor of whatever set of non-European peoples that the elites have decided to use to turn USA into Brazil, go ahead.

I won't.

A candidate who validates racism, xenophobia, bigotry, misogyny and mental-health issues is very appealing to voters who share those traits. Since you mention Brazil, if Trump's low-information supporters move there after their role model loses the election, their departure will improve America and make Brazil no worse.

Repeating labels (I read your post the first time) used to smear those you disagree with is not a valid form of argument.

Exactly. Its a sophomoric logical fallacy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 12:44:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 03, 2016, 12:37:42 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 10:20:38 AM
What did Roberts bring to the table? He got duped by an MIT economist named Jonathan Gruber...

Yep, that turned out to be a horrible appointment by W

At least we agree on one thing. I'm still hopeful that you will be loyal to the Republican party and vote for who the nominee to be President is, regardless of whether it's Trump, Cruz or Rubio.

Even if it was Jeb Bush or Kasich, both who I detest, I would vote for one of them if they were the nominee.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 03, 2016, 12:52:52 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 12:44:20 PM

I'm still hopeful that you will be loyal to the Republican party and vote for who the nominee to be President is, regardless of whether it's Trump, Cruz or Rubio.

Don't lose a lot of sleep over it. It's NOT going to be Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 12:55:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 01, 2016, 01:40:35 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 01, 2016, 10:35:02 AM
I don't see Cruz getting the VP slot. Rubio doesn't need him, and he doesn't serve any real purpose for Trump - Texas is a safe GOP state, and Cruz is, to put it gently, not popular in the Senate. If you're an outsider and you want an inside guy, Cruz is NOT it. B/B

BB: I agree completely. One of the things I learned while lobbying for my industry in Washington DC is that Cruz is basically hated on both sides of the Capital. This news story from September sums it up quite nicely:

"On Monday night, Cruz’s colleagues ignored his attempt to disrupt Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s efforts to fund the government without attacking Planned Parenthood. In an unusual rebuke, even fellow Republicans denied him a “sufficient second” that would have allowed him a roll call vote. Then, his Republican colleagues loudly bellowed “no” when Cruz sought a voice vote, a second repudiation that showed how little support Cruz has: Just one other GOP senator — Utah’s Mike Lee — joined with Cruz as he was overruled by McConnell and his deputies. It was the second time that Cruz had been denied a procedural courtesy that’s routinely granted to senators in both parties. The first came after he called McConnell a liar this summer."

IMHO he's made too many enemies to get elected to any new office

I don't personally have much of a problem with Ted Cruz however I thought you would get a kick out of this comparison. (Cruz or any Republican running would be 100X better than Bernie or Hillary)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 03, 2016, 01:01:33 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 03, 2016, 12:37:42 PM

With 60 votes needed in the Senate to end debate and then 2/3 majority needed in BOTH the House and Senate to override a Presidential veto, what did you expect for them to do?

Actually, you really have to thank the Bush Justice Dept. They pursued Ted Stevens (R-AK) on charges that were later overturned, but in the meantime he lost an election to Tony Knowles, a Dem in a solidly GOP state. Once Al Franken was seated the Dems had 60 votes in the Senate, et voila! ObmaCare. Meanwhile H-Rod volates the law as SecState and the gov't sells guns to Mexican gangs and the Obama DOJ....does nothing.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 01:12:14 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 03, 2016, 01:01:33 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 03, 2016, 12:37:42 PM
With 60 votes needed in the Senate to end debate and then 2/3 majority needed in BOTH the House and Senate to override a Presidential veto, what did you expect for them to do?

Actually, you really have to thank the Bush Justice Dept. They pursued Ted Stevens (R-AK) on charges that were later overturned, but in the meantime he lost an election to Tony Knowles, a Dem in a solidly GOP state. Once Al Franken was seated the Dems had 60 votes in the Senate, et voila! ObmaCare. Meanwhile H-Rod volates the law as SecState and the gov't sells guns to Mexican gangs and the Obama DOJ....does nothing.

B/B

If the FBI does actually put forth charges and asks Lynch to prosecute Hillary and then they refuse to prosecute her, look for all hell to break loose.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 03, 2016, 01:24:04 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 01:12:14 PM

If the FBI does actually put forth charges and asks Lynch to prosecute Hillary and then they refuse to prosecute her, look for all hell to break loose.

Interesting point.

When I was in the USMC I served in a Battalion S-2 billet which required Top Secret clearance. I'm more than familiar with the process and procedures of guarding classified information. There is no doubt in my mind that Hillary is guilty of violating safeguards for classified material, a felony offense.

BB, what do you think are the chances of the FBI putting forth charges against Hillary and the Justice Department refusing to pursue them?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 01:35:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 03, 2016, 12:37:42 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 10:20:38 AM
Almost 8 years to stop ObamaCare - nothing has happened.

With 60 votes needed in the Senate to end debate and then 2/3 majority needed in BOTH the House and Senate to override a Presidential veto, what did you expect for them to do?

The Republicans need the White House and 50% plus one majorities in both sides of Congress or 67 votes in the Senate AND 291 in the House to actually get anything done with an obstructionist President in the White House.

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 10:20:38 AM
Many years ago, $700 million was allocated to start building a wall - nothing came of it - despite a Republican being in the White House. Immigration enforcement is non-existent, basically.

Once again, 60 votes in the Senate needed for cloture. It might have been voted on and approved, but it needs to be APPROPRIATED in a spending bill. This has never happened because the Democrats will not allow it to get past cloture.

I think actually that $1.2 Billion was in fact, allocated/appropriated by Congress:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006

I find the wording on other sites confusing, they say that the money was appropriated but that it was at the discretion of either the President or DHS and that a physical fence or a virtual fence (cameras and detection equipment). E.g. here http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/president-signs-dhs-appropriations-and-secure-fence-act-new-detainee-bill-has-repercussions

If the President signed the act and also signed the appropriations, then the money was actually "in the account" to be spent, is that correct?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 03, 2016, 01:38:36 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 03, 2016, 01:35:18 PM

If the President signed the act and also signed the appropriations, then the money was actually "in the account" to be spent, is that correct?

So long as Congress appropriates the funds, and some newer legislation doesn't amend the previous spending decision, yes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 03, 2016, 02:03:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 03, 2016, 01:24:04 PM

There is no doubt in my mind that Hillary is guilty of violating safeguards for classified material, a felony offense.

Concur. She was also evidently hacked, and whatever she had is in Beijing and Moscow, now, also.

Quote from: shakespear on February 03, 2016, 01:24:04 PM

BB, what do you think are the chances of the FBI putting forth charges against Hillary and the Justice Department refusing to pursue them?

I think 20% on the FBI. We'll see. There will be a lot of delay. DOJ will ass-drag, too, and I doubt there will be any movement unless/until there's a new AG in a GOP administration. Of course, I'm remarkably cynical about such things.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 03, 2016, 02:32:21 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 12:40:02 PM

Exactly. Its a sophomoric logical fallacy.

It's a basic tenet of public speaking that one communicates with the audience in terms that they can understand. Trump has mastered this skill; just look at how he communicates with the loosers who support him:

https://www.facebook.com/theoatmeal/photos/a.10150413121115078.628758.220779885077/10156538303100078/?type=3&theater

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 03, 2016, 02:37:06 PM

http://nypost.com/2016/02/02/naturally-donald-trump-blames-voters-and-media-for-iowa-loss/

This reminds me of RUA members who blame both local and FSU women for their persistent failures.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 03, 2016, 04:14:49 PM

Now Kerry has been shown to send sensitive classified material to Hillary via her server - the plot thickens - The Establishment powers that be Soros, Koch, Adelson, Rockefellers, Kissinger and the owners of the Fed - Rothschilds DO NOT want a wild card Nationalist in power - Bernie, Cruz or Trump are patriotic Nationalists even though Bernie gives Karl Marx and Saul Alinsky a race for the roses - only Hitlery or Rubio have proven their fealty to the Globalists agenda and are being rewarded with mega Super PAC donations.

Soros just gave future convict Hitlery $6 Million - he has been rewarded for his support of the Clinton crime cartel in the past and is making what he considers to be a sure bet.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 03, 2016, 04:25:45 PM

Isn't there some sort of unwritten rule in the FBI, DOJ etc that says if the previous administration didn't pursue charges against federal government bureaucrats and politicians the current administration won't charge those from the previous administration unless something is newly released by the press or otherwise becomes public knowledge.

After all look what happened when Obama took over from Bush the Younger. Despite all the talk at the end of the Bush administration by Dems about charges being pursued by the Obama administration nothing happened.

Same thing for when Bush the Younger took over from Bill Clinton, no action taken by the Bush administration. The Clinton administration didn't pursue charges when taking over from Bush the Elder despite there being lots of talk of investigations and charges.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 06:11:26 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 03, 2016, 02:32:21 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 12:40:02 PM
Exactly. Its a sophomoric logical fallacy.

It's a basic tenet of public speaking that one communicates with the audience in terms that they can understand. Trump has mastered this skill; just look at how he communicates with the loosers who support him:

https://www.facebook.com/theoatmeal/photos/a.10150413121115078.628758.220779885077/10156538303100078/?type=3&theater

That's cute, but this is cuter. :chuckle:

http://www.dose.com/news/26333/Donald-Trump-s-Mouth-Got-Superimposed-Onto-Puffer-Fish-And-It-s-Everything?utm_source=SocialLim&utm_medium=Partners&utm_campaign=SocialLim

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on February 03, 2016, 06:16:19 PM

Wanting to keep it simple here. I have no problem with Republicans. My only problem is with stupid people. And Trump is an idiot. Therefore, Anteros, I would fully expect you to support him. Whatever looks like you in the mirror, right.

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 07:03:43 PM

What a surprise, more sour grapes from ~~Jerash~~ Jacka$$.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 03, 2016, 07:39:47 PM

I notice every 4 years people that you know suddenly go for your throat.

BTW Santorum, Paul and Huckabee have announced they are out and O'Malley too.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 07:42:45 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 03, 2016, 07:39:47 PM

I notice every 4 years people that you know suddenly go for your throat.

BTW Santorum, Paul and Huckabee have announced they are out and O'Malley too.

And if Jeb Bush wants some real applause he should exit the race as well. :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 03, 2016, 09:16:57 PM

In an interview with Esquire magazine, Trump shared this gem:

Quote from: Donald Trump

You know, it doesn't really matter what [the media] write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass.

Coincidentally, many men in the search for an FSUW feel the same way. Of course, they substitute "my friends, my neighbors, my family, my children," etc. for "the media."

Everyone just wants to be liked and accepted...
... except for Donald;
Donald doesn't give a shit.
Don't be like Donald.
Donald has issues.

I could have used quite a few other names in the above meme.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 09:54:14 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 03, 2016, 09:16:57 PM

In an interview with Esquire magazine, Trump shared this gem:

Quote from: Donald Trump
You know, it doesn't really matter what [the media] write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass.

Coincidentally, many men in the search for an FSUW feel the same way. Of course, they substitute "my friends, my neighbors, my family, my children," etc. for "the media."

Everyone just wants to be liked and accepted...
... except for Donald;
Donald doesn't give a shit.
Don't be like Donald.
Donald has issues.

I could have used quite a few other names in the above meme.

Such as your own name, perhaps? :laugh:

In regards to Donald, people do grow up, 'ya know?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 03, 2016, 09:59:33 PM

Jeb Bush really knows how to excite an audience. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 03, 2016, 10:01:25 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 09:54:14 PM

In regards to Donald, people do grow up, 'ya know?

Narcissists don't grow up; they just get better at denial.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 10:04:28 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 03, 2016, 10:01:25 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 09:54:14 PM
In regards to Donald, people do grow up, 'ya know?

Narcissists don't grow up.

You could be right. I thought he had given a gracious speech in Iowa, and next day he went back to being a crybaby.

He must have done something right though because many people compliment him on how well his kids turned out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 10:09:39 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 07:42:45 PM

And if Jeb Bush wants some real applause he should exit the race as well. :nod:

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 03, 2016, 09:59:33 PM

Jeb Bush really knows how to excite an audience. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 03, 2016, 10:19:29 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 03, 2016, 10:04:28 PM

He must have done something right though because many people compliment him on how well his kids turned out.

Many people suck up to him so it's difficult to know where the truth lies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 04, 2016, 01:10:15 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 03, 2016, 09:16:57 PM

In an interview with Esquire magazine, Trump shared this gem:

Quote from: Donald Trump
You know, it doesn't really matter what [the media] write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass.

Coincidentally, many men in the search for an FSUW feel the same way. Of course, they substitute "my friends, my neighbors, my family, my children," etc. for "the media."

Everyone just wants to be liked and accepted...
... except for Donald;
Donald doesn't give a shit.
Don't be like Donald.
Donald has issues.

I could have used quite a few other names in the above meme.

Donald is like the Honey Badger. He doesn't give a shit.

Many people like honey badgers and Donald Trump. They're tired of all the smooth talking political correct politicians.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 05:45:16 AM

I suspect this is how Shakespear and his "establishment" cohorts hope to get rid of Trump.

Trump's plane has a mechanical malfunction and must make an emergency landing.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trumps-jet-makes-emergency-landing-in-tennessee/ar-BBp6jPv?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on February 04, 2016, 11:22:35 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 05:45:16 AM

I suspect this is how Shakespear and his "establishment" cohorts hope to get rid of Trump.

Trump's plane has a mechanical malfunction and must make an emergency landing.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trumps-jet-makes-emergency-landing-in-tennessee/ar-BBp6jPv?li=BBnb7Kz

From December:

Quote from: Manny on December 23, 2015, 04:19:41 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 22, 2015, 11:19:48 AM
assuming that Trump survives,

An "accident" does seem quite possible.

I think it quite possible that if he continues to gain momentum, they will bump him off one way or another.

That may have been a warning to leave the race. Next time, he might not be so lucky.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 04, 2016, 11:37:11 AM

Quote from: Manny on February 04, 2016, 11:22:35 AM

I think it quite possible that if he continues to gain momentum, they will bump him off one way or another.

That may have been a warning to leave the race. Next time, he might not be so lucky.

Ummm...maybe they will poison him with Polonium? Oh, wait, that's Putin's move.....sorry, my bad.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 11:39:03 AM

Quote from: Manny on February 04, 2016, 11:22:35 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 05:45:16 AM
I suspect this is how Shakespear and his "establishment" cohorts hope to get rid of Trump.

Trump's plane has a mechanical malfunction and must make an emergency landing.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trumps-jet-makes-emergency-landing-in-tennessee/ar-BBp6jPv?li=BBnb7Kz

From December:

Quote from: Manny on December 23, 2015, 04:19:41 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on December 22, 2015, 11:19:48 AM
assuming that Trump survives,

An "accident" does seem quite possible.

I think it quite possible that if he continues to gain momentum, they will bump him off one way or another.

That may have been a warning to leave the race. Next time, he might not be so lucky.

I remember when you made that comment and then when this happened I was thinking something similar. In an odd way he's a bit like JFK who did not want to go a long with the MIC. Time will tell if he makes it to the convention. Perhaps he will suddenly start to espouse more of a neo-con view and no longer say he's willing to cooperate with Russia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 04, 2016, 11:40:46 AM

Quote from: Manny on February 04, 2016, 11:22:35 AM

I think it quite possible that if he continues to gain momentum, they will bump him off one way or another.

That may have been a warning to leave the race. Next time, he might not be so lucky.

That would rather be the Russian solution to the problem wouldn't it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on February 04, 2016, 11:42:30 AM

Quote from: Manny on February 04, 2016, 11:22:35 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 05:45:16 AM
I suspect this is how Shakespear and his "establishment" cohorts hope to get rid of Trump.

Trump's plane has a mechanical malfunction and must make an emergency landing.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trumps-jet-makes-emergency-landing-in-tennessee/ar-BBp6jPv?li=BBnb7Kz

From December:

Quote from: Manny on December 23, 2015, 04:19:41 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on December 22, 2015, 11:19:48 AM
assuming that Trump survives,

An "accident" does seem quite possible.

I think it quite possible that if he continues to gain momentum, they will bump him off one way or another.

That may have been a warning to leave the race. Next time, he might not be so lucky.

Remember in 1992 Ross Perot was running for president. If my memory is correct, after receiving several death threats he quit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on February 04, 2016, 11:43:36 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 04, 2016, 11:40:46 AM

Quote from: Manny on February 04, 2016, 11:22:35 AM
I think it quite possible that if he continues to gain momentum, they will bump him off one way or another.

That may have been a warning to leave the race. Next time, he might not be so lucky.

That would rather be the Russian solution to the problem wouldn't it?

It is the American way also.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 11:46:14 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 04, 2016, 11:40:46 AM

Quote from: Manny on February 04, 2016, 11:22:35 AM
I think it quite possible that if he continues to gain momentum, they will bump him off one way or another.

That may have been a warning to leave the race. Next time, he might not be so lucky.

That would rather be the Russian solution to the problem wouldn't it?

Oh really? Have you forgotten about what happened to Vince Foster? You don't think the Clintons are still capable of enormous treachery against the people of the USA? Or for that matter, your beloved establishment?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 11:55:28 AM

Quote from: yankee on February 04, 2016, 11:42:30 AM

Quote from: Manny on February 04, 2016, 11:22:35 AM
Quote from: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 05:45:16 AM
I suspect this is how Shakespear and his "establishment" cohorts hope to get rid of Trump.

Trump's plane has a mechanical malfunction and must make an emergency landing.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trumps-jet-makes-emergency-landing-in-tennessee/ar-BBp6jPv?li=BBnb7Kz

From December:

Quote from: Manny on December 23, 2015, 04:19:41 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on December 22, 2015, 11:19:48 AM
assuming that Trump survives,

An "accident" does seem quite possible.

I think it quite possible that if he continues to gain momentum, they will bump him off one way or another.

That may have been a warning to leave the race. Next time, he might not be so lucky.

Remember in 1992 Ross Perot was running for president. If my memory is correct, after receiving several death threats he quit.

Perot was kind of a fruity. He claimed that the Black Panthers were trying to assassinate him. He claimed that somebody working on his campaign was a CIA plant. He claimed threats had been made against his family. The main problem was that George Bush Sr. had been head of the CIA so conspiracy theory types latched onto these stories. Hard to know what was really going on, but George Bush Sr. did lose the election to Clinton and most commentators blame Perot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on February 04, 2016, 03:31:10 PM

Quote from: yankee on February 04, 2016, 11:43:36 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 04, 2016, 11:40:46 AM
Quote from: Manny on February 04, 2016, 11:22:35 AM
I think it quite possible that if he continues to gain momentum, they will bump him off one way or another.

That may have been a warning to leave the race. Next time, he might not be so lucky.

That would rather be the Russian solution to the problem wouldn't it?

It is the American way also.

^ What Yankee said.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on February 04, 2016, 03:32:49 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 04, 2016, 11:37:11 AM

Quote from: Manny on February 04, 2016, 11:22:35 AM
I think it quite possible that if he continues to gain momentum, they will bump him off one way or another.

That may have been a warning to leave the race. Next time, he might not be so lucky.

Ummm...maybe they will poison him with Polonium? Oh, wait, that's Putin's move.....sorry, my bad.

Maybe they will shoot him in a moving car, oh, they did that one already.......

Quote from: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 11:39:03 AM

In an odd way he's a bit like JFK who did not want to go a long with the MIC. Time will tell if he makes it to the convention. Perhaps he will suddenly start to espouse more of a neo-con view and no longer say he's willing to cooperate with Russia.

Indeed.

Lets not forget, the US commits terrorism and murder around the world daily. Bumping off Trump because he is inconvenient would be quite routine and all in a days work. Of course it will be an "accident" or a "lone wolf". The media will dutifully comply with whatever the narrative is. If he gets within serious reach of the presidency, his life is in danger, if it isnt already. He isnt dumb. He knows this.

Why do you think Putin travels with his own chef and even his own water? Because he knows the Yanks would bump him off in a heartbeat - given a chance - as they did with Gadaffi and Hussein. As they would with Assad if they could.

My prediction: If Trump gets the nomination, he will have an "accident", or perhaps withdraw at the eleventh hour due to "health" or "personal reasons" (which means they offered to bump off his family instead). Even a gay/pedophile faked up scandal would do. Trump will be the best president the US never had.

As much as I dislike the idea, that horrible Neocon, war-mongering Clinton woman may end up getting the hot seat.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 04, 2016, 03:47:28 PM

There is no state that can claim to be the home of political assassination, just as there is no state that can claim that it never happens there.

Not all assassination requires a corpse though. In career or political terms a character assassination can be just as effective at removing an opponent. There's plenty of US business people and politicians who are well aware of that.

Whilst Trump has done or said things that might get his opponents removed from contention, if they were to have done or said those things, Trump seems to be immunised from them because he has been pretty open about his life, over the course of his life. The chances are that most accusations that could be leveled at him would receive a swift and honest 'so what?'
Character assassination seems to work best on hypocrites and, whatever faults he may have, hypocrisy does not seem to be a significant failing. Remember that this is his third time round with the presidency. He has already asked and answered those hard questions twice in the past; he already knows the worst that can be leveled at him.

That makes an attempt upon his life more likely because attacks upon his character are unlikely to succeed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 03:56:42 PM

I'm beginning to think that Shakespear is correct that Trump cannot win, however it's not because there's going to be an accident or because the establishment prefers Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush or (insert favored person here) it's simply because Trump has failed so far to actually give real answers to the problems our country faces.

Shakespear's fear that Trump might like to behave more or less like a dictator, just as Obama has done, which is the real reason many Americans despise Obama, looks to being more and more possible.

An inability to answer the hard questions and to give real details about how things might be done -- shows a possible lack of respect for the separation of powers, at the very least.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 04:01:01 PM

Quote from: Manny on February 04, 2016, 03:32:49 PM

As much as I dislike the idea, that horrible Neocon, war-mongering Clinton woman may end up getting the hot seat.

You and I and about 200 Million Americans. Unfortunately it's true that most people sit on their ass, complain yet don't vote one way or the other.

So in that case I wouldn't mind if the Russians found a way to slip her some polonium in her tea. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on February 04, 2016, 04:10:23 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 03:56:42 PM

An inability to answer the hard questions and to give real details about how things might be done --

Nigel Farage had the same problem. He said the right things, but lacked answers as to how it would actually be done.

If he had got near he PM seat, I am sure he would have withdrawn for "health" or "personal reasons", or suffered a kiddie fiddling scandal (the new UK way).

Quote from: andrewfi on February 04, 2016, 03:47:28 PM

That makes an attempt upon his life more likely because attacks upon his character are unlikely to succeed.

^This.

US politics boils down to money and corruption. Trump has some money, and is incorruptible, so he needs to avoid tea, or it might have some polonium in it and the Neocons can blame Russian aggression - President Clinton can then start a war against Russia. :-\

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 04:14:22 PM

Quote from: Manny on February 04, 2016, 04:10:23 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 03:56:42 PM
An inability to answer the hard questions and to give real details about how things might be done --

Nigel Farage had the same problem. He said the right things, but lacked answers as to how it would actually be done.

If he had got near he PM seat, I am sure he would have withdrawn for "health" or "personal reasons".

Quote from: andrewfi on February 04, 2016, 03:47:28 PM
That makes an attempt upon his life more likely because attacks upon his character are unlikely to succeed.

^This.

US politics boils down to money and corruption. Trump has some money, and is incorruptible, so he needs to avoid tea, or it might have some polonium in it and the Neocons can blame Russian aggression - President Clinton can then start a war against Russia. :-\

Let's hope you're wrong on all counts. I'm hopeful Trump might get some schooling and actually act Presidential yet. He has the street smarts and the ability to know who to hire. He is rough around the edges and needs some tutoring and polishing.

As to the neocons most Americans are sick of them just like we're sick of Obama. Any sort of accident with Trump -- well you cannot imagine how all Hell might break loose. What descends on WA DC might make Maidan look like a picnic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 04, 2016, 04:25:52 PM

Trump has been on the 'Michael Savage radio show' several times recently and the 'Alex Jones show' as well. Both men are steep into conspiracy theories that are being discussed here. Trump's got his own security people and that of the Secret Service as well. You can bet he is being extra careful and is well aware of the establishment jackals circling about.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 04, 2016, 04:30:16 PM

Great new Trump ad I just saw broadcast from Boston to the New Hampshire major population centers:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-relea...-hampshire

http://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/voters-speak-tv-spot

Epic line:

We have a country that we are proud of and that we love and that we are NOT GOING TO LOSE.

There is an ASSAULT ON EVERYTHING THAT WE STAND FOR and WE ARE GOING TO STOP THE ASSAULT!

WE ARE GOING TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

Powerful positive pro Nationalist Patriotic imagery and iron fisted steely determination that most of the other Globalist establishment anti American traitorous Cuckservatives and Socialist militant SJWs fear deep down in their bones... Be afraid we are taking notes on who the traitors are and we are coming to get YOU!

Trump was just made an honorary Manchester NH Police Officer - he is on a roll kicking ass and taking names in LIVE FREE OR DIE New Hampshire!

He has a massive Nationalist Patriotic Army of Neomen backing him up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 04, 2016, 04:44:01 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 03:56:42 PM

I'm beginning to think that Shakespear is correct that Trump cannot win, however it's not because there's going to be an accident or because the establishment prefers Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush or (insert favored person here) it's simply because Trump has failed so far to actually give real answers to the problems our country faces.

Shakespear's fear that Trump might like to behave more or less like a dictator, just as Obama has done, which is the real reason many Americans despise Obama, looks to being more and more possible.

An inability to answer the hard questions and to give real details about how things might be done -- shows a possible lack of respect for the separation of powers, at the very least.

Total hand wringing feminist BERNIE BULL SHITE!

Time to man up, grow a set, and do some reading:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

Bottom line do not get bogged down in policy weeds like Rand Paul did and refine and execute your vision... keeping in mind that Success is Secrecy and Secrecy is Success!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 04, 2016, 04:46:58 PM

I like Bernie Sanders.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 04, 2016, 04:54:38 PM

Quote from: yankee on February 04, 2016, 11:42:30 AM

Remember in 1992 Ross Perot was running for president. If my memory is correct, after receiving several death threats he quit.

Your memory is not correct.

Perot did drop out, temproarily, and did have some idea that the New Black Panther Party wanted to assassinate him (I don't imagine that they have too much crossover in membership with the GOP), but he re-entered the race in September and ultimately got just under 19% of the vote. He ran again in 1996.

While he likely caused Bush the Elder to lose in 1992, he never "stepped off of the wrong curb", or was "struck by lightning" or had some other misfortune befall him.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on February 04, 2016, 05:05:15 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 04, 2016, 04:54:38 PM

Quote from: yankee on February 04, 2016, 11:42:30 AM
Remember in 1992 Ross Perot was running for president. If my memory is correct, after receiving several death threats he quit.

Your memory is not correct.

Perot did drop out, temproarily, and did have some idea that the New Black Panther Party wanted to assassinate him (I don't imagine that they have too much crossover in membership with the GOP), but he re-entered the race in September and ultimately got just under 19% of the vote. He ran again in 1996.

While he likely caused Bush the Elder to lose in 1992, he never "stepped off of the wrong curb", or was "struck by lightning" or had some other misfortune befall him.

B/B

so he did drop out due to threats.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 05:22:13 PM

Quote from: yankee on February 04, 2016, 05:05:15 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 04, 2016, 04:54:38 PM
Quote from: yankee on February 04, 2016, 11:42:30 AM
Remember in 1992 Ross Perot was running for president. If my memory is correct, after receiving several death threats he quit.

Your memory is not correct.

Perot did drop out, temproarily, and did have some idea that the New Black Panther Party wanted to assassinate him (I don't imagine that they have too much crossover in membership with the GOP), but he re-entered the race in September and ultimately got just under 19% of the vote. He ran again in 1996.

While he likely caused Bush the Elder to lose in 1992, he never "stepped off of the wrong curb", or was "struck by lightning" or had some other misfortune befall him.

B/B

so he did drop out due to threats.

Not exactly. He mostly didn't like the media coverage and he was a control freak. The details are easy to find and read for yourself.

excerpt

Meanwhile, Perot faced obstacles on the campaign trail. During an Olympia rally, he was approached by a gay rights group, demanding that he address AIDS and gay rights;[56] he soon flipped on the issue and stated that he would allow gays to serve in the military and in his cabinet.[57] During an address to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Perot faced his toughest demographic, and made the gaffe of referring to African Americans as "you people".[54] It was later revealed that Perot did not want to appear at the meeting or any other forum without his supporters. Press consultant Squires had written a speech for Perot for the occasion, but he instead used his own.[58] After the speech, Perot was concerned that members of the New Black Panther Party were plotting his assassination.[59]

By mid-July, the Washington Post reported that Perot's campaign managers were becoming increasingly disillusioned by his unwillingness to follow their advice[60] to be more specific on issues,[54] and his need to be in full control of operations[60] with such tactics as forcing volunteers to sign loyalty oaths.[61] Perot's poll numbers began to slip to 25%, and his advisers warned that if he continued to ignore them, he would fall into single digits. Co-manager Hamilton Jordan threatened to quit,[54] and on July 15, Ed Rollins resigned after Perot fired advertisement specialist Hal Riney, who worked with Rollins on the Reagan campaign. Rollins later claimed that a member of the campaign accused him of being a Bush plant with ties to the CIA.[62] Amidst the chaos, Perot's support fell to 20%.[63] The next day, Perot announced on Larry King Live that he would not seek the presidency. He explained...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot_presidential_campaign,_1992

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on February 04, 2016, 07:40:41 PM

And one wonders why most people avoid contributing. :dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 08:02:45 PM

Quote from: yankee on February 04, 2016, 07:40:41 PM

And one wonders why most people avoid contributing.

What is that supposed to mean? I did my best to answer your question however you're obviously welcome to come to your own conclusions. :Zzzzsleep:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 08:08:35 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on February 04, 2016, 04:44:01 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 03:56:42 PM
I'm beginning to think that Shakespear is correct that Trump cannot win, however it's not because there's going to be an accident or because the establishment prefers Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush or (insert favored person here) it's simply because Trump has failed so far to actually give real answers to the problems our country faces.

Shakespear's fear that Trump might like to behave more or less like a dictator, just as Obama has done, which is the real reason many Americans despise Obama, looks to being more and more possible.

An inability to answer the hard questions and to give real details about how things might be done -- shows a possible lack of respect for the separation of powers, at the very least.

Time to man up, grow a set, and do some reading:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

Bottom line do not get bogged down in policy weeds like Rand Paul did and refine and execute your vision... keeping in mind that Success is Secrecy and Secrecy is Success!

Lot's of hot air in this post, Cuffy. The person who needs to "man up" if he wants to win the nomination is Donald J. Trump. The media has given him a pass so far on his lack of details however the next level is going to get a lot more intense. Marco Rubio is coming up fast on him in New Hampshire.

Trump is behaving like a crybaby in regards to losing Iowa. He lost there, end of story. If he really wants to win in New Hampshire he needs to get a better ground game. Then he could build on that with a win in South Carolina. However if I understand Shakespear's posts correctly it would be far from over even then.

He needs delegates and he's not going to get them if he doesn't improve as a candidate. Just my opinion, you are welcome to your own.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 11:08:08 PM

Covering Trump: Some reporters complain about the insults, alleged threats, etc. However a veteran reporter at the end of the article states the simple truth: Running for President requires a thick skin, as does covering the person who is running for President.

Yet the fact remains that Trump has broken all the rules and he is likely the only candidate in the history of running for President who has been so rough on the media while simultaneously manipulating them to do his bidding.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/insults-threats-and-more-insults-what-it%e2%80%99s-like-to-be-a-reporter-covering-trump/ar-BBp9ffW?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=iehp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 04, 2016, 11:16:14 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 04, 2016, 03:47:28 PM

That makes an attempt upon his life more likely because attacks upon his character are unlikely to succeed.

The [derogatory term removed] 'theory' on US politics and 'reading of characters' demonstrates why us Brits should probably stay out of threads we know f'all about

:laugh:

Mind you - that would appear to be the case with Ukraine and even the politics of Russia one won't hear from in the Kremlin influenced media...

'Trump not a hypocrite'... :chuckle:

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/1419247cf0458359b0afd81ce7fabc2d/tumblr_ntx2f6kAHO1qzsnxyo1_500.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 11:22:25 PM

This is a great interview and I especially liked the part featuring his wife Melania. I think she comes off like many FSU and Eastern European women. In other words she places her family above her career and she is fully supportive of her husband in all things. What a breath of fresh air! The interior of their tri-level 100 Million dollar Penthouse in the sky is also pretty nice, as well as the view of NYC from all angles.

http://www.youtube.com/v/lgYTCHrWkxI

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on February 05, 2016, 02:48:08 AM

Quote from: Manny on February 04, 2016, 04:10:23 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 03:56:42 PM
An inability to answer the hard questions and to give real details about how things might be done --

Nigel Farage had the same problem. He said the right things, but lacked answers as to how it would actually be done.

If he had got near he PM seat, I am sure he would have withdrawn for "health" or "personal reasons", or suffered a kiddie fiddling scandal (the new UK way).

Quote from: andrewfi on February 04, 2016, 03:47:28 PM
That makes an attempt upon his life more likely because attacks upon his character are unlikely to succeed.

^This.

US politics boils down to money and corruption. Trump has some money, and is incorruptible, so he needs to avoid tea, or it might have some polonium in it and the Neocons can blame Russian aggression - President Clinton can then start a war against Russia. :-\

Netherlands is the same.

They offfed "Pim Fortuyn" also for not being politically correct. Sad part was, he really did have answers for problems, it just wasn't the answers the -then- politicians wanted to hear. So they offed him just after a tv-interview.

His killer is now living a free life in Germany , but I bet he will be offed too, once the shitstorm is gone.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on February 05, 2016, 05:46:36 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 08:02:45 PM

Quote from: yankee on February 04, 2016, 07:40:41 PM
And one wonders why most people avoid contributing.

What is that supposed to mean? I did my best to answer your question however you're obviously welcome to come to your own conclusions. :Zzzzsleep:

it was not meant for you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 05, 2016, 07:46:20 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on February 04, 2016, 04:30:16 PM

We have a country that we are proud of and that we love and that we are NOT GOING TO LOSE.

There is an ASSAULT ON EVERYTHING THAT WE STAND FOR and WE ARE GOING TO STOP THE ASSAULT!

WE ARE GOING TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

Historically reminds me of the political sayings used in the Germany Federal Election of 1933.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 05, 2016, 09:38:55 AM

Quote from: yankee on February 05, 2016, 05:46:36 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 08:02:45 PM
Quote from: yankee on February 04, 2016, 07:40:41 PM
And one wonders why most people avoid contributing.

What is that supposed to mean? I did my best to answer your question however you're obviously welcome to come to your own conclusions. :Zzzzsleep:

it was not meant for you.

Okay, thank you. I try to answer any questions and enjoy discussions about politics. My conclusions are my own, everybody can come to their own conclusions. IIRC Perot did claim he was threatened (or his family was) however this is obviously very hard to prove. It seemed to me that other factors had more weight.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 05, 2016, 10:01:45 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 03:56:42 PM

I'm beginning to think that Shakespear is correct that Trump cannot win, however it's not because there's going to be an accident or because the establishment prefers Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush or (insert favored person here) it's simply because Trump has failed so far to actually give real answers to the problems our country faces.

Shakespear's fear that Trump might like to behave more or less like a dictator, just as Obama has done, which is the real reason many Americans despise Obama, looks to being more and more possible.

An inability to answer the hard questions and to give real details about how things might be done -- shows a possible lack of respect for the separation of powers, at the very least.

Probably your best and most well thought out post in your history on the forum.

Trump cannot win. Only the low information voters are supporting him now.

Missing the Iowa debate was the beginning of the end for Trump.

If Cruz wasn't so hated, he might be the guy. His single-handed shut down of the US government in 2013 which many claim was the reason Romney lost in 2014 torpedoed him from ever having support of the Republican power-base for a run at the White House.

So it looks like Rubio is going to be the guy. And he will probably select Kasich for his running mate to lock up Ohio. The two of them will beat either Sanders or Clinton.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 05, 2016, 03:27:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 05, 2016, 10:01:45 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 04, 2016, 03:56:42 PM
I'm beginning to think that Shakespear is correct that Trump cannot win, however it's not because there's going to be an accident or because the establishment prefers Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush or (insert favored person here) it's simply because Trump has failed so far to actually give real answers to the problems our country faces.

Shakespear's fear that Trump might like to behave more or less like a dictator, just as Obama has done, which is the real reason many Americans despise Obama, looks to being more and more possible.

An inability to answer the hard questions and to give real details about how things might be done -- shows a possible lack of respect for the separation of powers, at the very least.

Probably your best and most well thought out post in your history on the forum.

Trump cannot win. Only the low information voters are supporting him now.

Missing the Iowa debate was the beginning of the end for Trump.

If Cruz wasn't so hated, he might be the guy. His single-handed shut down of the US government in 2013 which many claim was the reason Romney lost in 2014 torpedoed him from ever having support of the Republican power-base for a run at the White House.

So it looks like Rubio is going to be the guy. And he will probably select Kasich for his running mate to lock up Ohio. The two of them will beat either Sanders or Clinton.

Thanks. We'll just have to wait and see regarding Trump. I think he's a lot smarter than you give him credit for and he's capable of transforming himself somewhat, at least that was the hope.

To be perfectly honest I just really want to win back the Whitehouse at this point and if the final guy is Rubio I will be fine with that. Rubio does come across as being well suited to beat Hillary.

However he has not been diplomatic about Putin and Russia though so he better tone that down. (talk about not being Presidential!)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 05, 2016, 10:43:42 PM

Rubio wins we will have a $25 Trillion debt because he will do what he is told by his Billionaire Boss backers Sheldon Adelson and the Koch brothers and all of the Wall Street Globaist banksters including Kasich and his crony Banksters (He was a Managing Director or Lehman Brothers who helped destroy our economy and country). We will have amnesty and open borders and another 300,000 Islamist rapefugees and veterans living under bridges again - he is a kid and a disaster might as well just vote for Bernie at least you will get all the free stuff that grows on Vermont Trees.

As for Trump not having answers he has the best answers on Trade, Taxes, Immigration - look success is secrecy and secrecy is success why should Trump give specifics to his and our enemies - if you are earning wages or in business Trumps policies on taxes alone will make you rich... Whereas Bernie the rabid socialist and Hitlery the MILITANT Feminist Social Justice Warrior will raise your taxes even worse than they are now and anyone you may want to hire will have to pass their Gender, Black Lives Matter and LGBTQ Anti-Christian quotas or you will be shut down so hiring based upon the best meritorious candidates will evaporate in favor of quota candidates - affirmative action will run rampant.

Do yourself a favor and use your mouse and click on this link...

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

Great new Trump ad I just saw broadcast from Boston to the New Hampshire major population centers:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-relea...-hampshire

http://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/voters-speak-tv-spot

Epic line:

We have a country that we are proud of and that we love and that we are NOT GOING TO LOSE.

There is an ASSAULT ON EVERYTHING THAT WE STAND FOR and WE ARE GOING TO STOP THE ASSAULT!

WE ARE GOING TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

Powerful positive pro Nationalist Patriotic imagery and iron fisted steely determination that most of the other Globalist establishment anti American traitorous Cuckservatives and Socialist militant SJWs fear deep down in their bones...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 05, 2016, 11:43:33 PM

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I go for the guy who the guys pulling the strings don't want.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 06, 2016, 01:00:30 AM

I agree with you Maxx and I even agree with Cuffy that Trump would be best for the US economy as well I personally think he would most likely keep the US from getting into WWIII with the Iranians and Russians.

Having said that, if the establishment finds a way to keep Trump from getting the nomination, or if self-implodes, which is a distinct possibility, I will vote for whoever the nominee is because I'm loyal to my party.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 06, 2016, 02:53:16 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 06, 2016, 01:00:30 AM

I will vote for whoever the nominee is because I'm loyal to my party.

You want to be loyal to pragmatism not to a party. Rubio is at best the lesser of two evils unless the neo-cons behind him push him into World War III with the Rookies. Then Hillary :sick0012: or Sanders :rolleye0009: would be a better choice. The system might last a little longer under these two communists but at least it would give us time to prepare for the collapse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 06, 2016, 03:06:54 AM

REUTERS ROLLING: TRUMP 39.2%, CRUZ 16.9%, RUBIO 12.6%... MORE...

http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR130/filters/PARTY_ID_:2/dates/20160131-20160205/type/day

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 06, 2016, 12:30:22 PM

Let's put it all in perspective -

New Hampshire has 23 votes in the Republican electoral process. 7 of these are "at-large" delegates which will be selected by the Republican National Committee and not the voters. There are a total of 2472 delegates in the 2016 convention. 1237 are needed to win the nomination. If Trump wins 30% of the vote in New Hampshire, he will get a MAXIMUM of 7 delegates.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 06, 2016, 12:59:09 PM

It is the 'at large' delegates that actually hold most of the power. They have enough votes to exclude pretty much anyone that the top Republicans want to exclude.

Makes the caucus process something of a joke, a theatre for the masses.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 06, 2016, 01:19:09 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 06, 2016, 02:53:16 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 06, 2016, 01:00:30 AM
I will vote for whoever the nominee is because I'm loyal to my party.

You want to be loyal to pragmatism not to a party. Rubio is at best the lesser of two evils unless the neo-cons behind him push him into World War III with the Rookies. Then Hillary :sick0012: or Sanders :rolleye0009: would be a better choice. The system might last a little longer under these two communists but at least it would give us time to prepare for the collapse.

I completely disagree that Hillary or Bernie would be a better choice than any Republican. Furthermore the "system" will absolutely not last longer under those two fools. However some people feel a total "rollover" would actually be better as it would allow a "fascist" like Trump (or worse) to gain real power.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 06, 2016, 01:19:26 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 06, 2016, 12:59:09 PM

It is the 'at large' delegates that actually hold most of the power. They have enough votes to exclude pretty much anyone that the top Republicans want to exclude.

Makes the caucus process something of a joke, a theatre for the masses.

You get it. It's a great big Kabuki Theater.

I'm surprised that so many of my countrymen DON'T get it.

It's why I've been saying all along that Trump has no chance.

He'll NEVER get to 1237 from the primaries unless he's able to win 75% of the vote in every state.

So we'll have a split convention and the Republican power base will nominate who they want. They have 607 votes they can block vote to any candidate they want. In addition they will have delegates that will be released to vote for whomever they want after the first ballot. These delegates are all long term party hacks. I know. I was an alternate one back in 1990. They will not support Trump. They won't select Cruz because everyone hates him. Therefore it will be Rubio.

See this for info: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/R-Alloc.phtml

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 06, 2016, 01:30:56 PM

It isn't quite as simple as that though. I summarised the system well enough but there's more.

If Trump is an obvious winner with the proles and has a significant margin over the other candidates then it will become clear that the system is corrupt if the party bosses show a significantly different ratio to that of the voters.

For sure, the system is corrupt, that is why it is set up as it is, but the managers have to make sure that any move they make is credible. At some point they will have to satisfy Mr and Mrs Pleb that the allocation of the RNC has some justification.

The RNC can credibly overturn a close race but not one with a significant leader, especially if the second two candidates are fairly evenly matched.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 06, 2016, 01:44:11 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 06, 2016, 01:30:56 PM

The RNC can credibly overturn a close race but not one with a significant leader, especially if the second two candidates are fairly evenly matched.

Not necessarily -

Here is the history of "brokered conventions" in the USA.

In 1924, the Democratic convention, split over whether to condemn the Ku Klux Klan, stretched on for three weeks before finally nominating an obscure dark horse, John Davis.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt's first term as president was the product of a brokered convention in 1932. His opponent, John Nance Garner, agreed to release his delegates on the fourth ballot only after being promised the vice presidency.

Roosevelt was the last candidate to emerge from a brokered convention and win the presidency. The last truly brokered conventions came in 1948 for the Republicans, who nominated Thomas Dewey, and in 1952 for the Democrats, who picked Adlai Stevenson.

Since then, there have been several close calls, and numerous predictions of brokered conventions that didn't come to pass. In 1976, incumbent President Gerald Ford fought Ronald Reagan up to the Republican convention that August before barely winning on the first ballot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 06, 2016, 01:50:57 PM

So, the last case of a rigged convention that you know of was almost 70 years ago? A time before widespread TV enabled people to see such things (1948, 102,000 sets in the entire USA, 75% in the New York area).

However much one can justifiably criticise US media these days, citizen journalism would make an obvious rigging plainly known, even if it was eventually accepted on that occasion. The first time such a thing happened would signal the widespread understanding that universal suffrage had ended in the United States, confirming that which many people including academic researchers already know.

Are you telling us that such a thing is acceptable to you if it means that a candidate that you don't want to get elected is not nominated by the Republican party?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 06, 2016, 02:11:09 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 06, 2016, 01:50:57 PM

Are you telling us that such a thing is acceptable to you if it means that a candidate that you don't want to get elected is not nominated by the Republican party?

No. What I'm saying is that with 607 controlled votes, they can make any first ballot look close. The fact that most people don't understand about "at large delegates" and how they function at conventions will provide some camouflage.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 07, 2016, 04:16:16 AM

Camouflage is what I was referring to. change most to some and some to a little and you won't be far wrong. These days even the news/entertainment media you lot get as a replacement for journalism would be likely to shine the light that was not shone 70 years ago. Citizen journalism would absolutely ensure it. Even if that did not happen by itself the Democratic party would be almost certain to ensure that illumination of dark corners took place.

Only in a close race can such rigging be gotten away with.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 07, 2016, 09:19:48 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 07, 2016, 04:16:16 AM

Only in a close race can such rigging be gotten away with.

And if they are exposed? Honestly what can anyone do about it? Remember up thread TomT saying he is glad there is such a mechanism in place to keep such men as Trump out? Then there is those who will be glad their guy got nominated even if by crook (Shakespear). The people who expect fairness I would bet are in the minority and if enlightened just wouldn't vote now or in the future. Such people the establishment would be glad to have gone away.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 07, 2016, 09:27:00 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 06, 2016, 01:19:09 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 06, 2016, 02:53:16 AM
Quote from: Anteros on February 06, 2016, 01:00:30 AM
I will vote for whoever the nominee is because I'm loyal to my party.

You want to be loyal to pragmatism not to a party. Rubio is at best the lesser of two evils unless the neo-cons behind him push him into World War III with the Rookies. Then Hillary :sick0012: or Sanders :rolleye0009: would be a better choice. The system might last a little longer under these two communists but at least it would give us time to prepare for the collapse.

I completely disagree that Hillary or Bernie would be a better choice than any Republican.

I can't stand Hillary or Bernie but if a war hawk Republican got in there and set the world on fire he might be worse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 07, 2016, 10:25:35 AM

I just listened to a New Hampshire Town Hall meeting with Bernie Sanders on CNN. While I disagree with virtually everything he said, one point left me wondering. Why can't people refinance college loans at a lower rate? They can do it with houses, cars, even credit cards. Why not student debt? The only requirement that I think is reasonable is they have to be current with their payments on their outstand loan in order to refinance. Please tell me this doesn't make me a "Progressive Liberal"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 07, 2016, 10:46:21 AM

IOWANS CLAIM SANDERS SHORTED DELEGATES...

Lone caucusgoer voted Bernie -- BUT Hillary won precinct...

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2016/02/06/iowans-claim-instances-when-sanders-shorted-delegates/79902080/

Keane Schwarz is certain he knows the outcome of the vote in his precinct: He was the lone caucusgoer in Woodbury County No. 43.
But the Iowa Democratic Party's final results state that Hillary Clinton won one county delegate and Bernie Sanders received zero.

"I voted for Bernie," Schwarz, 36, of Oto, told The Des Moines Register. “It was really suspicious … I’m actually pretty irate about it.”

So there is cheating going on but who will know or care? Ditto for the Republican process.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 07, 2016, 12:11:35 PM

If we choose to do nothing about dishonesty and theft 'because we can do nothing about it' then we might as well accept the dishonesty and theft. People will have the choice to do 'something', or be passive.

Here's the thing, my assumption, given what I know, is that the whole electoral process in the USA is a pantomime. Yes, there can be upsets, but on the whole most aspects are scripted.
I do not think that Trump is a scripted occurrence, too many variables for that to be likely. A script needs a simple(ish) narrative with not too many uncontrolled variables.

In order for change to occur there needs to be a critical mass of people. Assuming that most will always be passive observers then only a fairly small number of people who see a problem with the system can be enough to force change. Much as we saw in Ukraine. Only a very few people, a few tens of thousands, forced a change of government, albeit that most of those people were honest, but misled and tricked dupes in a dishonest scheme.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 07, 2016, 11:40:13 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 07, 2016, 10:25:35 AM

I just listened to a New Hampshire Town Hall meeting with Bernie Sanders on CNN. While I disagree with virtually everything he said, one point left me wondering.

2 days ago I decided to listen Bernie Sanders speech from beginning to end. I've heard enough of Bernie's proposals to know I would disagree with him but I listened to try and figure out what his audience sees in him. I picked the one he did in October at the Georgetown University.

As I listened and watched the audience reaction I felt drawn into liking this old guy who seemed to be telling it like it is. A grandfather type that I think his mostly young audience yearned for. It reminded me eerily similar to a 2008-2012 Ron Paul rally. I noted Bernie's appeal followed along the same lines as Ron's. That is someone telling them it straight that we have a problem and this problem is mostly going to be dumped on their laps when us oldster shuffle off and maybe sooner. Both Bernie and Ron leaves one with the impression they are sincere in their worries. Both men give the impression they want to dramatically steer the Nation's course away from going over the cliff.

At the point when Bernie got their heart he started his proposals of change. They were all couched in "fairness" and "doing the right thing." That is when I seen how he did it. He appeals to their hearts with a grandfatherly concern and frankly being talked to in an adult manner. With the use of statistics and little known or understood facts of the state of the true economy he wins their trust with these revelations. After that he hits them with his proposals that have been proposed by Roosevelt in 1937. That have been embraced by Stalinists at that time and their morphed into "Progressives" of later. An "Economic Bill of Rights," $15 an hour minimum wage, Universal Health Care and no mention on how we are going to pay for it. There was no mention of the 19 Trillion Dollar US debt and growing.

As I watched this it occurred to me Bernie Sanders never ran a business or had to make a payroll. He understands somethings but not those that would counter his Progressive beliefs.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 07, 2016, 11:52:12 PM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 08, 2016, 07:29:10 AM

Someone important in Russia likes Donald J. Trump. Of course John Kasich made fun of this. And then there's Shakespear, who on the one hand criticizes Russia for allegedly giving a former spy some polonium, but then he admits that Trump cannot win because the establishment will have a Kabuki theater of the absurd and run roughshod over the will of the people.

excerpt
"Of all the remaining candidates, both Republican and Democrat, there is one individual who Mr. Putin has described as "outstanding and talented," and "undoubtedly a very colourful, talented person." If you guessed that to be wealthy businessman Donald Trump, you may now proceed to the head of the class.

Mr. Putin has experienced the chilliness of Hillary Clinton, and heard the fiery rhetoric from most of the Republican candidates. Trump is different, a least in Putin's estimation. Following his most recent national press conference, Mr. Putin opined about Trump by saying, “He is the absolute leader of the presidential race, as we see it today. He says that he wants to move to another level of relations, to a deeper level of relations with Russia. How can we not welcome that? Of course we welcome it.”

Meanwhile, Mr. Trump has said some things that surely sound like music to Putin's ears. Trump has said that the world might be a better place had Saddam Hussein and Moammar Qaddafi been left in power. He has questioned the American effort to dethrone Syria's Assad.

In a statement from the Trump campaign, Trump waxed eloquent about the Russian leader. "It is always a great honor to be so nicely complimented by a man so highly respected within his own country and beyond. I have always felt that Russia and the United States should be able to work well with each other towards defeating terrorism and restoring world peace, not to mention trade and all of the other benefits derived from mutual respect."

https://russianreport.wordpress.com/2016/02/08/putins-choice-for-next-usa-president/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 08, 2016, 07:43:02 AM

Anteros, if you read what Putin actually said you will soon understand that the spin you read is not quite what was written. Funny how that happens.

If you read what he wrote you will see that he wrote in a fairly objective manner based upon Trump's performance in the polls at the time of writing. He was, as it happens, responding to a question form a participant, this was not a prepared statement of any kind. It'd take a fairly imaginative mind (or one not very good at reading) to get the idea that Putin was giving Trump any special favour or compliment.

Here's the words used:

Quote

"He is a very flamboyant man, very talented, no doubt about that... He is the absolute leader of the presidential race, as we see it today. He says that he wants to move to another level of relations, to a deeper level of relations with Russia. How can we not welcome that? Of course we welcome it,"

https://www.rt.com/usa/326328-trump-russia-putin-relations/

For context from the same Q&A session about working with any US president:

Quote

“We will work with any American head of state the American people elect. Our cooperation is not with a particular person but with a nation, a big and powerful international player,”

https://www.rt.com/usa/326328-trump-russia-putin-relations/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 08, 2016, 07:45:14 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 04, 2016, 11:16:14 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 04, 2016, 03:47:28 PM

That makes an attempt upon his life more likely because attacks upon his character are unlikely to succeed.

The [derogatory term removed] 'theory' on US politics and 'reading of characters' demonstrates why us Brits should probably stay out of threads we know f'all about

:laugh:

Mind you - that would appear to be the case with Ukraine and even the politics of Russia one won't hear from in the Kremlin influenced media...

'Trump not a hypocrite'... :chuckle:

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/1419247cf0458359b0afd81ce7fabc2d/tumblr_ntx2f6kAHO1qzsnxyo1_500.jpg)

I see a typical illiterate "liberal" cannot tell the difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal
immigrant. As usual. When the first word is illegal there is really nothing more to discuss. Illegal persons do not belong in this country or any sovereign country. End of story.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 08, 2016, 07:49:52 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 08, 2016, 07:43:02 AM

Anteros, if you read what Putin actually said you will soon understand that the spin you read is not quite what was written. Funny how that happens.

If you read what he wrote you will see that he wrote in a fairly objective manner based upon Trump's performance in the polls at the time of writing. He was, as it happens, responding to a question form a participant, this was not a prepared statement of any kind. It'd take a fairly imaginative mind (or one not very good at reading) to get the idea that Putin was giving Trump any special favour or compliment.

Here's the words used:
Quote
"He is a very flamboyant man, very talented, no doubt about that... He is the absolute leader of the presidential race, as we see it today. He says that he wants to move to another level of relations, to a deeper level of relations with Russia. How can we not welcome that? Of course we welcome it,"
https://www.rt.com/usa/326328-trump-russia-putin-relations/

For context from the same Q&A session about working with any US president:
Quote
“We will work with any American head of state the American people elect. Our cooperation is not with a particular person but with a nation, a big and powerful international player,”
https://www.rt.com/usa/326328-trump-russia-putin-relations/

[Personal attack removed]

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 08, 2016, 08:02:25 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 08, 2016, 07:45:14 AM

I see a typical illiterate "liberal" cannot tell the difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal
immigrant. As usual. When the first word is illegal there is really nothing more to discuss. Illegal persons do not belong in this country or any sovereign country. End of story.

1/As we are having this discussion - at all - removes the 'illiterate' 'tag' ..

2/ Trump sought to ban folk - on the basis of following a certain religion - that is not currently a 'ILlegal' in the USA ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 08, 2016, 09:28:19 PM

Paddy thinks that it's over for Trump and even more over for Cruz:

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=791149

Hillary Clinton 5/6
Marco Rubio 7/2
Donald Trump 6/1
Bernie Sanders 7/1
Ted Cruz 16/1

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 08, 2016, 10:05:59 PM

Ant, please read stuff, or get help with what you are trying to read before throwing a ma-ma fit.

Please note I was showing you, and other readers that the thing to which you linked and referenced was misleading. You were misled by what you read and, if you were misled then so were many others.

We can all choose to learn something new every day. That's the route I chose for myself. You can choose to retreat into a world where you fling shit at anyone, or anything, that challenges your uneducated prejudices. That's a call that only you can make; however, when you try to share your vast lack of knowledge with us please don't be too surprised when someone else comments upon it.

But why not try an experiment, rather than retreat into abuse, try this: look at the article to which you linked, ask yourself how what the author wrote, the claims he makes are supported by Putin's own words. Bear in mind that the source of the author's insight is claimed to be Putin's responses to questions posed to him by journalists.

How good a job does the author's article do of representing what Putin actually said?
If you can answer that question, honestly and objectively, then you will have learned something and grown a little.

... Or you can fling faeces again.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 08, 2016, 11:37:03 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 08, 2016, 09:28:19 PM

Paddy thinks that it's over for Trump and even more over for Cruz:

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=791149

Hillary Clinton 5/6
Marco Rubio 7/2
Donald Trump 6/1
Bernie Sanders 7/1
Ted Cruz 16/1

Odds this far out are meaningless. Remember the 2012 election? A few weeks before the election many pollsters had Romney winning, some by a lot.

I'd like Trump to win just because it might shake up the establishment in US politics. Besides Trump wouldn't be any worse than Clinton or Cruz or Bush.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 09, 2016, 01:01:20 AM

This would certainly throw a monkey wrench into the works, Michael Bloomberg, the multi billionaire former mayor of New York City, said he is considering running for U.S. president in 2016, the Financial Times reported on Monday.

Reportedly he will decide by early March and is willing to spend a billion dollars of his own money to fiance the campaign. He would be running as an independent. Virtually all analysts say he has no chance of winning or of even getting a sizable number of votes. Bloomberg's presence in the race would probably help Trump if he secures the GOP nomination.

The real question is why would Bloomberg want to spend a billion dollars of his own money for no good reason? Is he bored? Does he want to really piss off Hillary and the Democrats? Is he in it to help Trump?

http://news.yahoo.com/former-nyc-mayor-bloomberg-says-eyeing-2016-run-211730112.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 09, 2016, 01:15:25 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 08, 2016, 11:37:03 PM

I'd like Trump to win

:sick0012:

Quote from: WestCoast on February 08, 2016, 11:37:03 PM

just because it might shake up the establishment in US politics. Besides Trump wouldn't be any worse than Clinton or Cruz or Bush.

Some not so serious - or are they ? ..opinions on the 'race' to be President....To us outside the US - why can't you elect a leader in weeks of campaigning like everyone else ?...'

Viewpoint: Are Donald Trump and his rivals a big joke?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35521558 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35521558)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on February 09, 2016, 08:19:19 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 08, 2016, 10:05:59 PM

look at the article to which you linked, ask yourself how what the author wrote, the claims he makes are supported by Putin's own words. Bear in mind that the source of the author's insight is claimed to be Putin's responses to questions posed to him by journalists.

It was Mendy's blog he quoted. Hardly a balanced source considering what we know.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 09, 2016, 08:28:58 AM

Quote from: Manny on February 09, 2016, 08:19:19 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 08, 2016, 10:05:59 PM
look at the article to which you linked, ask yourself how what the author wrote, the claims he makes are supported by Putin's own words. Bear in mind that the source of the author's insight is claimed to be Putin's responses to questions posed to him by journalists.

It was Mendy's blog he quoted. Hardly a balanced source considering what we know.

It was exactly the point. Mendy was just aping others of his craft and ilk.

As I previously noted, Putin simply provided an objective and factually accurate summing up of the situation at the time. He was responding to a question about Trump.

Now, to be fair, Mendy DID use some of Putin's words, most astroturfers did not, they could not. However Mendy's point was entirely dishonest. Mendy was trying to make a comparison that did not exist in order to suggest that Putin was saying something that favoured Trump over other candidates, which was not what he was doing.

We should note that although Mendy was claiming that Putin would treat Clinton differently as president, Mr Putin's own words tell us differently:

Quote

“We will work with any American head of state the American people elect. Our cooperation is not with a particular person but with a nation, a big and powerful international player,”

Notice how Mendy chooses to not use those words in his piece. If he had done so the point of the article would have been totally invalidated. How could Mendy have written this:

Quote

Mr. Putin has experienced the chilliness of Hillary Clinton, and heard the fiery rhetoric from most of the Republican candidates. Trump is different, a least in Putin’s estimation.

If he had also quoted these words from Putin:

Quote

“We will work with any American head of state the American people elect. Our cooperation is not with a particular person but with a nation, a big and powerful international player,”

It would not have been possible to do so because Putin's words directly contradict Mendys' mendacious and fictional point. Mendy knew full well what Putin had said in response to the question from the journalist. Mendy deliberately chose to exclude them in order to mislead his readers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on February 09, 2016, 08:58:02 AM

That is probably within his remit.

I am sure his target audience lap it up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 09, 2016, 09:30:30 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 08, 2016, 11:37:03 PM

Remember the 2012 election? A few weeks before the election many pollsters had Romney winning, some by a lot.

Yes, I remember; do you?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 09, 2016, 09:37:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 09, 2016, 08:28:58 AM

Mendy knew full well what Putin had said in response to the question from the journalist. Mendy deliberately chose to exclude them in order to mislead his readers.

Mendy was mendacious, then. (I think that you have used this particular piece of alliteration before.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on February 09, 2016, 09:46:46 AM

Does it really matter who becomes the president? I mean they are all only in it for the money, its like a business nothing else!
No different from being a company director. The President will not really give a flying sh*** about anyone other than himself and his own wallet, just chuck joe blogs a few scraps and a few extra soap operas to watch to keep him stum :laugh:

Look at the clintons. Its a business and nothing more. I think its better for people to stop worrying about WHO will be the next President and concentrate on joining the club :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 09, 2016, 09:48:29 AM

Jeez, Mendy's 'mendacious' ? :chuckle:

No irony, missed at all - considering some of the 'journalism' we see, here...

Any one would think some might be on a mission to attempt to discredit...

Is Mendy allowed to post here ... ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 09, 2016, 09:50:27 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 09, 2016, 08:28:58 AM

It was exactly the point. Mendy was just aping others of his craft and ilk.

'said the fountain of truth'

I really hope he might be allowed to respond

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 09, 2016, 12:02:54 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 09, 2016, 01:01:20 AM

The real question is why would Bloomberg want to spend a billion dollars of his own money for no good reason? Is he bored? Does he want to really piss off Hillary and the Democrats? Is he in it to help Trump?

Assuming that Bloomie knows he "cannot win" then there are three reasons, one of which I will discount heavily.

1. Ego. This is the most likely, for nearly everyone who can put a "b" in front of their "-illions".

2. To damage someone currently in the race. I would discount this one, heavily, b/c Bloomie, given his views, running as an independent, would hurt the Democratic nominee. He loathes Trump, personally, so it wouldn't be to help him at all, and he was never more than a "courtesy" Republican; the GOP mayoral nomination is NYC is available to anyone who wants it, b/c it's basically a losing proposition, unless there is a Dem incumbent who has f*cked up so badly that the City is barely livable--yes, David Dinkins, I am looking at you--that's how Giuliani won in the first place.

3. He wants to put emphasis on issues he feels are important. With Bloomie, that's gun control. It used to also be gay marriage, but that's off the table now.

Of those reasons, I'd say it's 60%-0%-40%, from top to bottom.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 09, 2016, 12:14:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 07, 2016, 10:25:35 AM

I just listened to a New Hampshire Town Hall meeting with Bernie Sanders on CNN. While I disagree with virtually everything he said, one point left me wondering. Why can't people refinance college loans at a lower rate? They can do it with houses, cars, even credit cards. Why not student debt? The only requirement that I think is reasonable is they have to be current with their payments on their outstand loan in order to refinance. Please tell me this doesn't make me a "Progressive Liberal"

The rates that our commie pinko friends on the Left think that people "should" get to re-finance their loans at are commensurate with rates available to people who have actually collateral. If I don't pay back a HELOC, then the bank takes my house. If I don't pay back a student loan, are they somehow going to foreclose on my degree?

Given the pool of borrowers, if you want to lower student loan rates, you would have to increase government backing of student loans, b/c private institutions aren't going to lower rates beyond what they think is prudent.

A few points:

1. Sallie Mae is a cluster :censored: , and expanding the existing loan program through it would be a disaster.

2. University education is simply too expensive. As a guy who paid for a good chunk of his schooling, I remember getting letters from my alma mater informing me that tuition was only increasing by 4x the rate of inflation. Really? You're f*cking joking, right? What I got out of the whole Belle Knox story--which was pitched as "Duke Co-ed Has to do Porn to pay for University!"--is that it costs $60K for *one year* at Duke. Never mind that doing porn was entirely optional on her part, especially as she had had a full-scholarship on offer from Vanderbilt, no porn required.

3. There are a large number of folks at university who don't really belong at university and would be better served spending less, not failing out/getting some loser degree will bad prospects (e.g. anything with the word "studies" in it), getting a voc-tech degree/certificate instead. How much must the rest of us subsidize the education of such folks? B/C that's what Sanders is preaching.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 09, 2016, 12:37:24 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 09, 2016, 12:14:45 PM

The rates that our commie pinko friends on the Left think that people "should" get to re-finance their loans at are commensurate with rates available to people who have actually collateral. If I don't pay back a HELOC, then the bank takes my house. If I don't pay back a student loan, are they somehow going to foreclose on my degree?

That's a valid point.

The case study of VA Backed Home Mortgages may be useful. The US Government backs my VA home loan at a very competitive rate. If I default, the government pays off the lender then comes after me for full payment.

How about a student loan that has a low interest rate backed by the US government so long as the borrower pays as agreed. If they fall behind, the government pays of the lender, institutes a new higher interest rate then sets about collecting the balance due with their rather threatening governmental powers.

This would reward the responsible student who pays as agreed and put the deadbeats in virtually the same position they are in under the current circumstances. That would take the issue off the table.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 09, 2016, 12:40:36 PM

A focused shot for VICTORY!

We have a nation we are proud of, that we love and we are NOT GOING TO LOSE!

Everything we stand for is UNDER ASSAULT - We are going to STOP THE ASSAULT!

We will Make America Great Again, Stronger, Smarter and Greater than it has EVER BEEN!

Beware the many interlopers, Clucks, Cucks, and Schmucks trying to infiltrate - there is only one General capable of leading the Neoman Army to Victory and he is pre-selected by his tested Alpha Prime battle character and performance in the political Arena.

Nuclear Submarine Veterans for our next President of the once and future great nation the United States of America (Onward Christian Soldiers tune playing with the flag waving!!!)

Donald J. Trump

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 09, 2016, 07:48:35 PM

It's all over in New Hampshire. As expected Bernie and the Donald won, both won handily. With some votes still to come in Trump has about 34% to second place Rubio's 16%. For the Dems it's Sanders with 59% of the vote to Hillary's 38%.

Trump 2016 is looking like a real possibility.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/real-time-updates-2016-new-hampshire-primary-220543676.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 09, 2016, 08:15:42 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 09, 2016, 07:48:35 PM

It's all over in New Hampshire. As expected Bernie and the Donald won, both won handily. With some votes still to come in Trump has about 34% to second place Rubio's 16%. For the Dems it's Sanders with 59% of the vote to Hillary's 38%.

Trump 2016 is looking like a real possibility.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/real-time-updates-2016-new-hampshire-primary-220543676.html

John Kasich took 2nd place with 16%. Rubio only got 10%. Cruz was 3rd with 12%. (unless some miracle occurs those are the results with over 51% of the votes in)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 09, 2016, 08:33:27 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 09, 2016, 08:15:42 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 09, 2016, 07:48:35 PM
It's all over in New Hampshire. As expected Bernie and the Donald won, both won handily. With some votes still to come in Trump has about 34% to second place Rubio's 16%. For the Dems it's Sanders with 59% of the vote to Hillary's 38%.

Trump 2016 is looking like a real possibility.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/real-time-updates-2016-new-hampshire-primary-220543676.html

John Kasich took 2nd place with 16%. Rubio only got 10%. Cruz was 3rd with 12%. (unless some miracle occurs those are the results with over 51% of the votes in)

Rubio's down to a distant 4th place and Kasich a distant second, with Cruz in 3rd. Trump has won big. Kasich is the surprise here. With such a bad showing for Rubio and Cruz does this mean Trump is the favorite going into Super Tuesday?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 09, 2016, 09:18:50 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 09, 2016, 08:33:27 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 09, 2016, 08:15:42 PM
Quote from: WestCoast on February 09, 2016, 07:48:35 PM
It's all over in New Hampshire. As expected Bernie and the Donald won, both won handily. With some votes still to come in Trump has about 34% to second place Rubio's 16%. For the Dems it's Sanders with 59% of the vote to Hillary's 38%.

Trump 2016 is looking like a real possibility.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/real-time-updates-2016-new-hampshire-primary-220543676.html

John Kasich took 2nd place with 16%. Rubio only got 10%. Cruz was 3rd with 12%. (unless some miracle occurs those are the results with over 51% of the votes in)

Rubio's down to a distant 4th place and Kasich a distant second, with Cruz in 3rd. Trump has won big. Kasich is the surprise here. With such a bad showing for Rubio and Cruz does this mean Trump is the favorite going into Super Tuesday?

South Carolina comes first. If Trump wins SC he should be unstoppable, except by "establishment" trolls at the convention, per Shakespear.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 09, 2016, 10:53:00 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 09, 2016, 09:18:50 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 09, 2016, 08:33:27 PM
Quote from: Anteros on February 09, 2016, 08:15:42 PM
Quote from: WestCoast on February 09, 2016, 07:48:35 PM
It's all over in New Hampshire. As expected Bernie and the Donald won, both won handily. With some votes still to come in Trump has about 34% to second place Rubio's 16%. For the Dems it's Sanders with 59% of the vote to Hillary's 38%.

Trump 2016 is looking like a real possibility.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/real-time-updates-2016-new-hampshire-primary-220543676.html

John Kasich took 2nd place with 16%. Rubio only got 10%. Cruz was 3rd with 12%. (unless some miracle occurs those are the results with over 51% of the votes in)

Rubio's down to a distant 4th place and Kasich a distant second, with Cruz in 3rd. Trump has won big. Kasich is the surprise here. With such a bad showing for Rubio and Cruz does this mean Trump is the favorite going into Super Tuesday?

South Carolina comes first. If Trump wins SC he should be unstoppable, except by "establishment" trolls at the convention, per Shakespear.

Next month or so should be telling. The Texas primary is on Super Tuesday and if Cruz doesn't win Texas he could be out. Cruz has lots of enemies even in Texas, so losing Texas is possible.

The Florida primary is a couple of weeks later and Rubio should win that he is mostly well liked in his own state.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 09, 2016, 11:37:04 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 09, 2016, 12:37:24 PM

The case study of VA Backed Home Mortgages may be useful. The US Government backs my VA home loan at a very competitive rate. If I default, the government pays off the lender then comes after me for full payment.

You still have an asset-backed mortgage. The government (or more correctly the bank holding the mortgage) comes after you and takes...your house. And with student loans the asset is...the diploma? How is this different from what we just discussed?

Quote from: shakespear on February 09, 2016, 12:37:24 PM

How about a student loan that has a low interest rate backed by the US government so long as the borrower pays as agreed. If they fall behind, the government pays of the lender, institutes a new higher interest rate then sets about collecting the balance due with their rather threatening governmental powers.

So basically what we have now? (i.e. lower rate until you f*ck up and then get the "default" rate)?

Shakey, we presently have something like $1.25 TRILLION in aggregate outstanding student loan debt. We are loaning money to kids who have no realistic chance of paying it back to send them to universities that over-charge them, and train them for jobs that don't exist anymore. (Hat Tip: Mike Rowe). We seriously need to rethink this.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on February 09, 2016, 11:44:58 PM

I am not sure about Trump yet,
but I would definitely vote for his wife....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 10, 2016, 12:19:21 AM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 10, 2016, 12:27:57 AM

Quote from: B.B. on February 09, 2016, 11:37:04 PM

to send them to universities that over-charge them, and train them for jobs that don't exist anymore. (Hat Tip: Mike Rowe). We seriously need to rethink this.

B/B

That happened to my oldest daughter. She doesn't even try anymore to look for work in her field as there isn't any thanks to the trade policies and treaties that have caused whole industries to move abroad.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 10, 2016, 01:26:15 AM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-10%20at%2012.23.11%20PM_zpseqzicvrl.png)

Imagine pulling this stunt in front of a bunch of Rubio supporters?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 10, 2016, 01:54:32 AM

And it's so fun to watch the Hillary campaign train going over the cliff.

From 'The Hill':

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The 81-year-old feminist Gloria Steinem charged that young women are only backing Sanders because that’s where they can meet boys. And 78-year-old Madeleine Albright threatened to consign to a “special place in hell” women who don’t back female candidates like Clinton.

Those are two great ways to attract young voters.

:ROFL:

From 'The Hill':

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The aging and raging ex-president*, meanwhile, speaking to a half-filled gym in a New Hampshire school, ranted about Sanders’s “hypocrisy” in condemning his wife’s paid speeches. Sanders, too, has given paid speeches, Bill Clinton claimed.

He’s got a point. In 2013, for example, Sanders made all of $1,500, which he donated to charity as required by federal law. In 2014, he raked in $1,850 for paid speeches. By contrast, Clinton made, and kept, over $21 million during the same time period. Sanders was only reimbursed for coach class airfare, while Clinton demanded private jets. Sanders’s hosts were the TV show “Real Time with Bill Maher,” Avalon Publishing and a machinists union. Clinton’s were Goldman Sachs, the big banks and the pharmaceutical and energy industries. What hypocrisy for Sanders to use that as an issue!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

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(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/B%20Clinton%20Walking%20Dead_zpscmnvslvn.jpg)

Wait until the Hillary campaign goes into complete free-fall and Barrack unleashes his FBI pack dogs from hell on to her!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 10, 2016, 02:09:35 AM

Quote from: Orchid on February 09, 2016, 11:44:58 PM

I am not sure about Trump yet,
but I would definitely vote for his wife....

:ROFL: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 10, 2016, 02:18:57 AM

Quote from: Maxx on February 10, 2016, 01:26:15 AM

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Imagine pulling this stunt in front of a bunch of Rubio supporters?

Rubio losing that debate in New Hampshire is the beginning of the end for Shakespear and his "establishment" Republicans. It's almost like Chris Christy was secretly working for Trump as he totally deflated Rubio.

What is even more ironic is that Kasich taking 2nd in NH plays to Trump's favor. It also took important votes away from Cruz and Rubio.

Look for both Cruz and Rubio to fade big time after SC. Trump all the way. Unless the "establishment" types get behind Trump, they will be the root cause of their own demise.

It's a new Republican party now -- one that includes blacks, Hispanics and women; but more importantly one that includes the backbone of America instead of paid special interests that pander.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 10, 2016, 02:50:30 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 10, 2016, 02:18:57 AM

Rubio losing that debate in New Hampshire is the beginning of the end for Shakespear and his "establishment" Republicans.

Yeah, but they still can cheat.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 10, 2016, 02:59:34 AM

Early doors yet but in New Hampshire we can see the kind of problem faced if the Republican party chooses to use block votes to try to override the popular vote.

Trump is running at about 35% and the pack is running at 50 to 70% less than that level.

Results live feed/updates: CLICK HERE! (http://www.decisiondeskhq.com//)

Even if it were possible, mathematically, to overturn the number of delegates that this represents the manipulation and disregard of the electorate would be blindingly obvious. As I noted before, in such a case even the dimmest qualified voter will understand that the democratic process as implemented in the US is a hoax, a sham.

The reality is that the process already is broken; suborned by the paid lobby system which emphasises the power of those with money to spend over those who have less.
CLICK HERE! (https://www.google.ee/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~jnd260/cab/CAB2012%2520-%2520Page1.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwjvoeKx9-zKAhXDCJoKHbSuBYEQFgg2MAk&usg=AFQjCNHpuXQCcNlRDiCoq1-z4XsXxT1GCg&sig2=PyFy5eFYsBbvSUXStoWd3w)

And:
CLICK HERE! (http://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf)

Sadly each of those links contains the following: lots of words, numbers, challenging concepts. If these things do not frighten you excessively then both papers are well worth a read to understand just why and how the United States democratic process is thoroughly broken.

Bear in mind that the representation of the people stops at a level of wealth even above that of such notables as Shakespear. The system is clearly proof of the untruth of the saying that turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 10, 2016, 05:06:57 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 10, 2016, 02:59:34 AM

As I noted before, in such a case even the dimmest qualified voter will understand that the democratic process as implemented in the US is a hoax, a sham.

That can't be stated enough. The establishmentarians must be in panic mode as their fraud cover is being exposed. Not just by Trump but by Bernie as well. We are living in interesting times...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 10, 2016, 08:28:26 AM

Republican "establishment" in disarray after Trump's resounding win in New Hampshire.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-rout-plunges-gop-establishment-into-chaos/ar-BBpkHn0?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 10, 2016, 09:37:36 AM

As the winner, Trump will also be allocated all the votes from the candidates who polled less than 10%.

So, all those people who voted for these losers:
Chris Christie 19,614 votes (-73,226) 7.5%
Carly Fiorina 10,626 votes (-82,214) 4.1%
Ben Carson 5,919 votes (-86,921) 2.3%
Other 3,651 votes (-89,189) 1.4%
Jim Gilmore 159 votes (-92,681) 0.1%

might as well have voted for Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 10, 2016, 09:47:44 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 08, 2016, 07:43:02 AM

Anteros, if you read what Putin actually said you will soon understand that the spin you read is not quite what was written. Funny how that happens.

If you read what he wrote you will see that he wrote in a fairly objective manner based upon Trump's performance in the polls at the time of writing. He was, as it happens, responding to a question form a participant, this was not a prepared statement of any kind. It'd take a fairly imaginative mind (or one not very good at reading) to get the idea that Putin was giving Trump any special favour or compliment.

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"He is a very flamboyant man, very talented, no doubt about that... He is the absolute leader of the presidential race, as we see it today. He says that he wants to move to another level of relations, to a deeper level of relations with Russia. How can we not welcome that? Of course we welcome it,"
https://www.rt.com/usa/326328-trump-russia-putin-relations/

No need for the forum to have your twisted analysis. Most normal people can read, write and interpret plain words in the English language. You also clearly have a problem with the author of the link I posted, instead of the actual plain words which Putin spoke.

In reference to the additional disclaimer from Russia, this is standard. Since you have such a hard time comprehending plain English, let me translate it for you: We, the Russian Federation, would prefer to have a practical man such as Trump who has indicated a willingness to get a long with us; however if a shrill neo-con like Hillary Clinton wins, or a sophomoric neo-con like Rubio wins, we will do our best to still get along with America.

excerpt
Earlier, in the same Q&A session, Putin had said he was prepared to work with whoever turns out to be victorious in the US presidential election in 2016. He added that despite the differences the two countries may have, they also share many common interests.

“We will work with any American head of state the American people elect. Our cooperation is not with a particular person but with a nation, a big and powerful international player,” the Russian president said in an interview on April 18.

https://www.rt.com/usa/326328-trump-russia-putin-relations/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 10, 2016, 10:00:05 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 08, 2016, 08:02:25 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 08, 2016, 07:45:14 AM

I see a typical illiterate "liberal" cannot tell the difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal
immigrant. As usual. When the first word is illegal there is really nothing more to discuss. Illegal persons do not belong in this country or any sovereign country. End of story.

1/As we are having this discussion - at all - removes the 'illiterate' 'tag' ..

2/ Trump sought to ban folk - on the basis of following a certain religion - that is not currently a 'ILlegal' in the USA ...

A large percentage of Americans have wisely come to the conclusion that Islam is not a religion, but a political death cult which is hell-bent on the destruction of the West.

Trump has not yet called for a permanent ban on Muslims, only a temporary ban on allowing them to emigrate to the USA until we could better know exactly what is going on and better verify who they might actually be.

Making such a ban permanent might be in the works eventually, if the USA and other Western nations wish to survive. This would likely involve official acknowledgement that Islam is not a religion, but a political cult. Read the words of Islam carefully and look at what happens when Islam takes over a country and it's easy to see that it is in fact not a normal religion.

Since you are clearly confused about the founding principles of America, I also suggest you to carefully read this article.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/11/the_purpose_of_america.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 10, 2016, 10:09:07 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 10, 2016, 10:00:05 AM

Read the words of Islam carefully and look at what happens when Islam takes over a country and it's easy to see that it is in fact not a normal religion.

I have holidayed and lived in both 'Christian' and 'Islamic' nations and can assure you that in the Christian nations they were quite happy to kill each other, extort, kidnap ......

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 10, 2016, 10:35:35 AM

Ant, what you are doing is making stuff up, using words that were not spoken.

The article itself did not use Putin's words on the topic so that mugs like you would be misled.

This is not rocket science. You were told to think something that was not true. If the 'evidence' had been shown to you in the article then even you'd have been unlikely to have agreed with Mendy's premise.

Sadly because you were misled, and you ain't one of life's learners, you are now faced with creating a post facto justification that wasn't even part of the article in order to maintain your worldview.

Funny mug you are. You didn't even notice that you are doing the thing that you, incorrectly, accused me of doing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 10, 2016, 10:42:25 AM

Funny or Die makes epic spoof of Donald Trump starring Johnny Depp! :laugh: It's going to be H U G E!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/movies/trump-movie-funny-or-die-johnny-depp.html?recp=14&_r=0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 10, 2016, 11:04:57 AM

Shakespear's "Establishment" wrong again. So sad, too bad. :ROFL:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/09/establishment-fail-trump-wins-college-educated-voters-in-nh/

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Maybe National Review will revisit this:

[T]he candidacy of Donald Trump is something that could not happen in a nation that could read.

This is the full flower of post-literate politics.

Hey, GOP Establishment, tell us again about the low-information voters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 10, 2016, 02:20:26 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 10, 2016, 01:54:32 AM

Wait until the Hillary campaign goes into complete free-fall and Barrack unleashes his FBI pack dogs from hell on to her!

That's not going to happen. The second part anyway. That photo of Bill looks like he's guest starring on "The Walking Dead". :GRAVE:

Quote from: msmoby on February 10, 2016, 10:09:07 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 10, 2016, 10:00:05 AM
Read the words of Islam carefully and look at what happens when Islam takes over a country and it's easy to see that it is in fact not a normal religion.

I have holidayed and lived in both 'Christian' and 'Islamic' nations and can assure you that in the Christian nations they were quite happy to kill each other, extort, kidnap ......

So the bad acts of "Christians" somehow obviates that bad acts of Muslims? If you have to say, "But...but...BUT CHRISTIANS DO IT, TOO!!!" that's not really a winning argument, and will be of little consolation of the victims of the Paris attacks, or the Cologne attacks, or the...well, you get the idea. Or not.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 10, 2016, 03:20:20 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 10, 2016, 02:20:26 PM

That photo of Bill looks like he's guest starring on "The Walking Dead". :GRAVE:

I entitled the photo in my files as "Walking Dead Clinton." I honestly think he's not going to be with us much longer.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/B%20Clinton%20Walking%20Dead_zpscmnvslvn.jpg)

People are saying he has no fire in him anymore. That he is slack jawed and listless at the campaign events.

I'm not sure you are right B.B. about Obama not allowing the FBI to go after H-rod. The Obamas really dislike the Clintons and especially Sidney Bloomingthal that she's been mixed up with in that whole Bengazi affair.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 10, 2016, 08:55:48 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 10, 2016, 09:37:36 AM

As the winner, Trump will also be allocated all the votes from the candidates who polled less than 10%.

So, all those people who voted for these losers:
Chris Christie 19,614 votes (-73,226) 7.5%
Carly Fiorina 10,626 votes (-82,214) 4.1%
Ben Carson 5,919 votes (-86,921) 2.3%
Other 3,651 votes (-89,189) 1.4%
Jim Gilmore 159 votes (-92,681) 0.1%

might as well have voted for Trump.

That's not true Andrewfi.

At 35%, Trump is only guaranteed 5 delegates.

13 "at large" delegates will be assigned by the powers that be

New Hampshire only represents less than 1% of the total delegates

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 10, 2016, 09:20:15 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 10, 2016, 10:09:07 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 10, 2016, 10:00:05 AM
Read the words of Islam carefully and look at what happens when Islam takes over a country and it's easy to see that it is in fact not a normal religion.

I have holidayed and lived in both 'Christian' and 'Islamic' nations and can assure you that in the Christian nations they were quite happy to kill each other, extort, kidnap ......

Persons in majority Christian nations who kill, extort and kidnap are commonly known as criminals. No Priest or Pastor tells them they will be "rewarded" in heaven for cutting the heads off of Muslims who refuse to convert to Christianity with 72 virgins. Furthermore the normal people of those nations do their best to put the criminals in prison.

How many radical Muslims get put in prison for the actions in Muslim countries? Clearly not enough. How many "moderate" Muslims take up arms against the extremists in their midst? Not enough.

Your "argument" if it could even be called that, is totally irrational and nonsensical. Not a surprise from you though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on February 10, 2016, 10:57:56 PM

Not surprising to see another rube comment from you Anteros. Because you are a rube. Maybe you live in a constant state of warfare readiness, but most people don't. Even in places that get torn apart by war. I know that is a surprise to you. Actually I think you will deny that is the case. I'm still waiting for you to present to me your argument about how you are Christian and as a Christian you have a duty to murder Muslims. I'm still waiting.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 10, 2016, 11:48:16 PM

Shakespear, in New Hampshire, all the votes that were given to candidates with less than 10% of the total are reallocated to the winner.

I was not referring to any other mechanisms.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 11, 2016, 01:28:57 AM

Carley and Christie are out

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3440501/The-Latest-Source-says-Christie-cancels-SC-event-Wednesday.html

This leaves only 6 Republican candidates. My bet Carson will be the next to drop out leaving Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Bush and Kasich.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 11, 2016, 02:10:38 AM

Quote from: Maxx on February 11, 2016, 01:28:57 AM

Carley and Christie are out

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3440501/The-Latest-Source-says-Christie-cancels-SC-event-Wednesday.html

This leaves only 6 Republican candidates. My bet Carson will be the next to drop out leaving Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Bush and Kasich.

I suspect Kasich will drop out after South Carolina. Jeb Bush should drop out however he seems determined to continue to spend his donors money, proving Trump's assertion that many in the race are beholden to others.

What is especially sad about that situation is that if one of these Neo-con's like Jeb Bush who are beholden to the MIC gets back into power, there will likely be another war in the Middle East.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 11, 2016, 08:23:25 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 10, 2016, 11:48:16 PM

Shakespear, in New Hampshire, all the votes that were given to candidates with less than 10% of the total are reallocated to the winner.

I was not referring to any other mechanisms.

As I said, that's not right. In order to get at large delegates in New Hampshire, you had to get at least 10% of the popular vote. This is because they only had 11 at large delegates to award based on the outcome of the election. The other 12 are "super delegates" who are awarded by the Republican party apparatus.

So candidates didn't "lose" their votes. They never had the votes to be "reallocated" because they were under 10% of the total.

American politics can be difficult to understand for somebody who doesn't experience it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 11, 2016, 08:32:03 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 10, 2016, 11:04:57 AM

Hey, GOP Establishment, tell us again about the low-information voters.

Trump voters basically ARE low information voters, much like Obama voters were low information voters.

They like the candidate promises that they hear. They don't stop to consider the feasibility and mechanics on how those promises can be turned into actual working policies.

Trump doesn't provide any details on how he plans to actually accomplish his many vague promises.

For example, he's going to build a wall and get the Mexicans to pay for it by implementing protective tariffs on their imports.

#1: Congress allocates and appropriates all money spent by the government, not the President
#2: Protective tariffs are always disastrous. Read about Smoot-Hawley Act that caused the Great Depression.
Factual Conclusion: There is not going to be a wall. The Mexican Government is not going to be pay for it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on February 11, 2016, 10:16:24 AM

If he recalled the army from ~~being exceptional~~ fighting wars abroad, they could build it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 11, 2016, 11:04:04 AM

Shakespear, I like your use of the newly minted term^* to denigrate your fellow citizens. Well played, good stroke! Keep up with the script, you are being a good little(?) cog!

Most of your countrymen are poorly educated, that's nothing new. Your electoral system is predicated upon an exploitation of that truth. This is just an excuse being rolled out by those who feel threatened by an 'outsider'.

When we start to see other candidates and the media educating the electorate in a meaningful manner then claims about 'low information voters' might have some justification. The reality is this: those candidates who espouse a nuanced position on most areas of concern leave the campaign early because nobody understands them, except those who have a vested interest in prolonging the situations that those 'highbrow' candidates rail against.

^*The term was actually coined in 2006 by Samuel Popkin. The term did not enter popular parlance at that time. Google has only 215 references to the term "low information voter" before February 2nd 2010 as compared to 317 in just the past year and 261 of those came in just the past month.

It is clear that this term is seen as a new meme with which to attack the voters supporting Trump. Trump supporters, and those minded to support him, are going to be told loud and often that doing so means they are stupid and the bright choice is any other candidate nominated by the Republican machine.

Shakespear, you are being manipulated here, your very words tell us so.
I can understand why you might choose to vote for some other candidate, that's your right. However, right now you are not thinking, you are being programmed.

Oh, if you want to know what a low information voter is and how they are central to the planning of both major political parties in the United States then CLICK HERE! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_information_voter)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 11, 2016, 11:23:55 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 11, 2016, 11:04:04 AM

Shakespear, you are being manipulated here, your very words tell us so.
I can understand why you might choose to vote for some other candidate, that's your right. However, right now you are not thinking, you are being programmed.

Isn't the only thing the voter needs to know is who are the bad guys and why they are so? Trump and to a lesser degree Sanders is telling the people they have been mislead and taken advantage of by the elite and their puppet politicians. Who cares if the people are low information and unsophisticated if they know that one fact?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 11, 2016, 11:33:04 AM

Maxx, there's a fair chance that the people who are voting for, or willing to vote for, Trump are better informed than the voters who revile the candidate. Bear in mind that Trump is NOT the default choice of candidate, he is being publicly reviled by the very party on whose platform he stands.

This means that those who are choosing Trump have made a positive choice. They are choosing a candidate who is telling them that there are serious things wrong with the country and that hard choices need to be made - the people, as we see, are listening to him. It'd seem that the US electorate, when given a chance, is not as dumb as the major party leadership and 'the powers that be' have hitherto thought.

Trump is a protest vote. Protest does not occur without thought. People may still be misled as the Ukrainians have been, but those who first showed up at the Maidan had given issues real thought and sought a real change. The Trump campaign may turn out to be dishonest, it may not end up offering that which it says it offers, but it is clear that many people want what the bloke is offering.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 11, 2016, 12:19:28 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 11, 2016, 11:33:04 AM

Maxx, there's a fair chance that the people who are voting for, or willing to vote for, Trump are better informed than the voters who revile the candidate.

Andrew, they seem to be on to the tricks as you seem to be also. I just looked at link from the DrudgeReport from Bloomberg entitled "Focus Group: Donald 'Inevitable'..."
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-02-11/cruz-interesting-trump-inevitable-in-s-c-focus-group
When you watch the clip it is an obviously a chosen hostile-to-Trump group that favors Cruz. It is pure propaganda and manipulation by Bloomberg to make people cringe if they like Trump. The media and the Republican establishment are besides themselves that they are losing the info war and the control of the people.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 11, 2016, 12:40:17 PM

Quote from: Manny on February 11, 2016, 10:16:24 AM

If he recalled the army from ~~being exceptional~~ fighting wars abroad, they could build it.

Many Americans would be happy with this, however destroying ISIS first and setting up permanent bases in Northern Iraq (Kurdistan) to prevent them from ever coming back will likely happen first.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 11, 2016, 01:44:55 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 11, 2016, 08:32:03 AM

They like the candidate promises that they hear. They don't stop to consider the feasibility and mechanics on how those promises can be turned into actual working policies.

People have always been suckers for empty slogans, such as "Make America great again."

The ignorant masses have actually regressed since they sang this tune in the 50s:

"Whistle while you work;
Stevenson's a jerk.
Eisenhower's got the power;
Whistle while you work."

It's difficult to believe that people are inspired by such stupidity but it works with low-information voters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 11, 2016, 02:37:11 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 11, 2016, 01:44:55 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 11, 2016, 08:32:03 AM
They like the candidate promises that they hear. They don't stop to consider the feasibility and mechanics on how those promises can be turned into actual working policies.

People have always been suckers for empty slogans, such as "Make America great again."

The ignorant masses have actually regressed since they sang this tune in the 50s:

"Whistle while you work;
Stevenson's a jerk.
Eisenhower's got the power;
Whistle while you work."

It's difficult to believe that people are inspired by such stupidity but it works with low-information voters.

And just who will you be voting for? Hillary Clinton? You must be a very low-information type of person, because you believe that she owes nothing to Wall Street and that her email accounts did not have classified information on them, which she illegally deleted.

Or maybe Bernie Sanders? That would require the ultimate type of low-information person. After all, if you tax the wealthy at 90%, they will keep their money in the USA, right?

And how to pay for all the free crap? Sure, just like the Bolshevik's he could confiscate houses, corporations, farms, etc. That would really motivate people, right Tom?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 11, 2016, 05:03:13 PM

Hmmm Clinton campaign ready to drink the Jamestown Guyana Koolaids...

Bernie won 85% of the young woman's vote evan after she rolled out the old Feminist stalwart witches Gloria Steinem and Gloria Albright who said there is a special place in hell for women who do not help other women.

A look at Bernie vs Trump:

The big difference between Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders besides being on the polar opposite ends of the political spectrum is that Trump is a Patriotic Nationalist and Bernie is a Socialist Globalist constantly referencing all of the other developed countries social safety nets that he references though the USA combined has a greater population than the G8.

Point is Trump is a student of business and business history and knows what creates jobs and what kills them from a policy and taxation perspective first hand. Mr. Trump basically runs a live business plan spreadsheet in his mind with all of the costs and expenses and taxes and regulatory costs he would be subject to in any business or project he is involved with - he adopted a multi country flag with his name and brand and marketing team involved in premier mixed use buildings, premier hotel casinos and premier championship golf courses around the world - premier being the operative word even Emirates potentates respect the Trump Brand.

Mr. Trump understands markets and cycles and knows that after JFK was elected he reduced taxes significantly as well as Ronald Reagan and the economy boomed the main difference is the levels of US Total Federal Debt then were a fraction of the current $21 Trillion in Debt ($19T + $2T 2016 budget). Simple answers will not cut it now as the Fed is in a self created catch 22 that if they raise rates to a point where savers are not robbed of their savings via a combination of zero interest rates and real inflation the interest on the national debt swamps both the Defense and Entitlements portions of the budget... I like Bernie and get him but what the Bernie Santa Freebies Tree supporters don't get and don't question is what happens to the National Debt under Bernie - it Balloons for at least another ten years if not longer... to a point where the annual "interest" usury on the National Debt exceeds the rest of the entire budget doubling the national debt further from $21 Trillion to over $40 Trillion with Parabolic Debt trends that will bankrupt the nation before then.

So just cutting taxes this time around like JFK is just a small fraction of the solution, the full solution involves Taxes plus Fair vs Free Trade deals renegotiation, Immigration, Foreign War entanglements (actually take the oil to pay for Gulf States Defense or screw them), Exploding Domestic Healthcare, Pharmaceuticals and Entitlements costs - how about some standard nationwide competitive bidding for Healthcare and Medicare - a Full Scope set of solutions by Mr. Trump.

National Debt by President - FDR to Obama:

Question we all need to ask is why did the national debt start ramping up so dramatically beginning with the Carter Administration?

The late 70's early 80's were when the seeds of "Free Trade" Offshoring "deals" NAFTA, CAFTA, now TPP Asia Pac TFIP EU were planted resulting in over 100,000+ Manufacturing factories and entire companies moved off shore with Trade surpluses turned into Trade Deficits, the loss of the $13 to $1 exports multiplier effect for local economies and factory towns and the Federal Government dramatically accelerating deficit spending to provide Gimme Tree Freebies to the Socialocrats doing the Elites bidding.

Trump addresses these problems in Full Scope creating 40 Million+ jobs for USA Citizens in Manufacturing, Services, Construction and infrastructure whereas Bernie exacerbates economic problems and furthers them with Open Borders, Unlimited Immigration by hostiles, Trade Policy continuation and increasing taxes, regulations, social justice workplace "fairness" initiatives, Free Healthcare, Educations, Vacations and climate change carbon taxes resulting in a loss of of 20 million+ jobs.

I stand by my analysis.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 11, 2016, 08:40:12 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 11, 2016, 02:37:11 PM

And just who will you be voting for? Hillary Clinton? You must be a very low-information type of person, because you believe that she owes nothing to Wall Street and that her email accounts did not have classified information on them, which she illegally deleted.

You missed my point completely.

America can't be made "great again" by chanting a mindless mantra. America will never be great again, thanks to a half century of poor policy choices. The best that we can hope for is for America to mind her own business again.

Voting for an obviously deranged candidate will certainly change nothing for the better.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 11, 2016, 08:43:36 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 11, 2016, 08:40:12 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 11, 2016, 02:37:11 PM
And just who will you be voting for? Hillary Clinton? You must be a very low-information type of person, because you believe that she owes nothing to Wall Street and that her email accounts did not have classified information on them, which she illegally deleted.

You missed my point completely.

America can't be made "great again" by chanting a mindless mantra. America will never be great again, thanks to a half century of poor choices. The best that we can hope for is for America to mind her own business again.

I don't think I missed your point; I got it. I'm just curious who you like? Although I disagree with your premise, I agree we've made some poor choices. 2 in a row, for example.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 11, 2016, 08:44:35 PM

^ I'm undecided; much can happen between now and November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 11, 2016, 10:08:33 PM

Clinton likely to leave NH with same number of delegates as Sanders (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/268935-clinton-likely-to-leave-nh-with-same-number-of-delegates)

Hillary Clinton is expected to leave New Hampshire with just as many delegates as Bernie Sanders, even after he crushed her in Tuesday’s presidential primary.

Sanders won 15 delegates with his 20-point victory Tuesday while Clinton won nine.

But Clinton came into the contest with the support of six superdelegates, who are state party insiders given the freedom to support any candidate they choose.

Or, put another way:

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:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 11, 2016, 10:42:04 PM

The Clinton News Network and Liberal PBS Debate tonight did their best to showcase Hillary.

Bernie insisted and Hilary agreed ecstatically that we should accept and pay Turkey, Greece and EU for as many radical islamist rapefugee ISIS sympathizers and supporters as possible... and bring unlimited numbers to the USA.

Bernie has to take the gloves off and when Hillary brags about her Arab Spring and the Iran Nuclear $150 Billion payoff deal reinforce that she and Obama are personally responsible for creating ISIS and now they both want to import them here.

What I heard in their mutual Saul Alinsky Rules for Radicals militant SJW positions are a Trillion dollars in new Social Security taxes with no income limits and adding "passive income" that is your retirement savings and 401K accounts and Government Jobs for more Affirmative action hiring officers in every company and business and institution in the USA - Militant BLM quota enforcement officers, Militant Female Equal Pay enforcement officers and Militant Pro LGBTQ Quota Enforcement officers as well as enforcement of subsidized mortgages and housing lending and projects in every Gentrified Urban and Suburban and Rural neighborhood in the USA. Militant Enforcement Officers committees will be required to approve the sale of every business, Apt Bldg, Condo, CoOp and Home in the USA.

Add on mandatory Climate Change enforcement officers and massive Oil Gas and Coal punitive Carbon Tax Enforcement officers.

The hypocrisy of HRC talking about Coal Country poverty when her beloved Obamunists shut down the nations coal industry and refuse to build Oil and Gas pipelines and storage facilities to supply cheap US produced gas and oil for the entire USA further minimizing the need to have an entire fleet and armies in the Middle East and Persian Gulf to protect their Oil industries that have been gouging the USA as an illegal cartel ever since the end of WWII.

We will see the USA turned into a surveillance and enforcement state that even George Orwell could not imagine.

Instead of creating a pro business pro private sectors jobs and taxation environment that has per Bernie Sanders in previous speeches seen 60,000 USA manufacturing companies and entire factories moved lock stock and barrel to China and Hillary Praising Henry the King Kissinger for this - their polices will accelerate the offshoring of not only the remaining manufacturers add in the Services and Investments industries - NYSE and NASDAQ and the Chicago Mercatile and Commodities exchanges will all implement plans to "globalize" as well with just the mention of a new Speculation Tax that will need 100,000 new IRS and SEC agents - more Government Enforcement jobs to implement.

Lastly HRC keeps bragging about her and Obama's support of the Dodd Frank act to prevent TBTF Banks from posing a systemic risk when the unintended consequence - more likely intended consequence was to collapse a vast number of Community Saving Banks that have crushed small business lending and further destroyed Main Street jobs... HRC is incredibly dishonest about the cost of her programs to "insure" the remaining uninsured 29 Million Americans - most who can not afford $500 per moth Unaffordable Care Act Insurance with $2500 annual $6000 per family of 4 deductibles and TAXES on any of the better plans.

They will raise Social Security Taxes by more than double and increase our highest in the world Personal and Business Taxes...

I would like to see these dingbats and moonbats actually sit down and write up a basic business plan that any Community College entrepreneurial class teaches with all of the Federal, State and local Taxes and Regulations that any Company is forced to pay at the threat of a SWAT enforcement action and then explain the real impact their policies have had on offshore acceleration and destruction of main street and corporate jobs across the entire nation. They would all be failed before they started. These two are both blatant Globalists masquerading as populists and of the two Hitlery is the worst taking huuuge donations for her PAC which she says is Obama's that now supports her and for her CGI foundation from the likes of George Soros and other anti American globalist Elites.

Both HRC and Feel the Bern will set fire to your wallets and savings and retirement accounts and force a SJW collapse of America which is their true intended Saul Alinsky Ruled by Radicals agenda.

Either one of these horrors are elected and I will be looking to relocate overseas...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 11, 2016, 10:53:01 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 11, 2016, 08:32:03 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 10, 2016, 11:04:57 AM
Hey, GOP Establishment, tell us again about the low-information voters.

Trump voters basically ARE low information voters, much like Obama voters were low information voters.

They like the candidate promises that they hear. They don't stop to consider the feasibility and mechanics on how those promises can be turned into actual working policies.

Trump doesn't provide any details on how he plans to actually accomplish his many vague promises.

For example, he's going to build a wall and get the Mexicans to pay for it by implementing protective tariffs on their imports.

#1: Congress allocates and appropriates all money spent by the government, not the President
#2: Protective tariffs are always disastrous. Read about Smoot-Hawley Act that caused the Great Depression.
Factual Conclusion: There is not going to be a wall. The Mexican Government is not going to be pay for it.

Did you actually read the link I posted by Breitbart?

I realize you're a pessimist and that's okay. You should probably vote for Bernie Sanders...or HC... :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 11, 2016, 11:28:21 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 10, 2016, 02:20:26 PM

So the bad acts of "Christians" somehow obviates that bad acts of Muslims? If you have to say, "But...but...BUT CHRISTIANS DO IT, TOO!!!" that's not really a winning argument, and will be of little consolation of the victims of the Paris attacks, or the Cologne attacks, or the...well, you get the idea. Or not.

B/B

B.B.
In case you were in any doubt, my reminding folks that 'Christians' are committing terrorist acts.. [someone knocked MH17 out of the sky ] and the Kremlin have suggested some sort of 'Holy War' in Syria [while actually taking sides with (mainly) Shiite Muslims ) to ensure they keep a presence in the Med whilst bombing civilians with inaccurate weapons suggests that victims( and 'recruits) with long memories was not and is not comfined to Paris...

In case you missed it... I showed solidarity with the victims and higlighted this guy..who lost his wife and mother of his 1 yr old son.....

My type of guy....

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on February 12, 2016, 01:02:36 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 11, 2016, 08:40:12 PM

America can't be made "great again" by chanting a mindless mantra. America will never be great again, thanks to a half century of poor policy choices. The best that we can hope for is for America to mind her own business again.

+1000 TomT

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 12, 2016, 01:21:36 AM

Quote from: B.B. on February 11, 2016, 10:08:33 PM

Clinton likely to leave NH with same number of delegates as Sanders (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/268935-clinton-likely-to-leave-nh-with-same-number-of-delegates)

Hillary Clinton is expected to leave New Hampshire with just as many delegates as Bernie Sanders, even after he crushed her in Tuesday’s presidential primary.

Sanders won 15 delegates with his 20-point victory Tuesday while Clinton won nine.

But Clinton came into the contest with the support of six superdelegates, who are state party insiders given the freedom to support any candidate they choose.

Or, put another way:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-12%20at%2012.22.24%20PM_zpsdrxzbylw.png)

:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

B/B

Thank you B.B. for posting this. I seen this yesterday and thought it would be good information to post here for our non-American brothers. But you did it in a much better way than I had thought of doing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 12, 2016, 02:14:51 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 11, 2016, 11:28:21 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 10, 2016, 02:20:26 PM

So the bad acts of "Christians" somehow obviates that bad acts of Muslims? If you have to say, "But...but...BUT CHRISTIANS DO IT, TOO!!!" that's not really a winning argument, and will be of little consolation of the victims of the Paris attacks, or the Cologne attacks, or the...well, you get the idea. Or not.

B/B

B.B.
In case you were in any doubt, my reminding folks that 'Christians' are committing terrorist acts.. [someone knocked MH17 out of the sky ] and the Kremlin have suggested some sort of 'Holy War' in Syria [while actually taking sides with (mainly) Shiite Muslims ) to ensure they keep a presence in the Med whilst bombing civilians with inaccurate weapons suggests that victims( and 'recruits) with long memories was not and is not comfined to Paris...

You must be able to show Irrefutable accurate factual evidence to support your statement.

If you can, please be so kind as to post it.

If you cannot, then STFU, and stop making such inaccurate statements.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 12, 2016, 02:29:32 AM

On the 'mind your own business' front, it is clear that Trump is in the vanguard here.

With regard to Superdelegates the situation in each party is different. For example:
The Democrats have about 5% of the total number of delegates as 'unpledged' which means they do not have to follow the voter's consensus and are free to vote according to their conscience - or, in practice, according to the deals made with prospective candidates.

The Republicans have 3 unpledged delegates per state and these are supposed to vote according to consensus. There's 210 of those at this time. That's about 7% of the total number of delegates.

As far as Trump goes, that means that he would have to be in a race that was closer than 7% margin for the unpledged delegates to be able to stop him. However, in order for this to happen those unpledged delegates would have to break party rules. This is the relevant section of the rules that apply to all delegates:

Quote

"Each state's delegation (other than delegates elected on a primary ballot) is bound by the results of the state's presidential preference vote."

This was a rule change instituted in 2012 and is a key differentiator between the Republican and Democrat process.

In practice this means that if, for example, there are three candidates and each gets 33% of the popular vote then one unpledged delegate would cast a vote for each of the candidates. If one candidate gets 50% then he'd pick up two unpledged votes.

On the other hand, in a close race, it is quite conceivable that Clinton could 'steal' the nomination via unpledged delegate votes. Interestingly this was a key plot point in the novel Primary Colors by Joe Klein which was a fictionalised account of Bill Clinton's presidential nomination campaign. I learned a lot from that book when it first came out - not too many of my books are hardback first editions, that one was.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 12, 2016, 02:32:29 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on February 12, 2016, 02:14:51 AM

You must be able to show Irrefutable accurate factual evidence to support your statement.

If you can, please be so kind as to post it.

If you cannot, then STFU, and stop making such inaccurate statements.

Am I correct in surmising you are referring to the Kremlin's ' Holy War' in Syria?

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 12, 2016, 05:04:09 AM

Wow! What exchange between Sanders and Clinton! (See the short video)

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/kissinger-is-not-my-friend-042515642.html

And what is it with Hillary's cheeks? They must injected with something. This woman is positively difficult to look at!

Back to Sanders. It is clear that Trump and Sanders both reject the MIC. Hillary is a neo-con and so are all the rest of the Republic pack. Sanders blames Kissinger from the rise of Pol Pot and the gencide of 3 million. So when is he going to start blaming Hillary for the rise of the Islamic State with the overthrow of Libya's Qadaffi and the arming of the rebels in Syria? After all wasn't that where the arms to do so came from?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 12, 2016, 06:56:58 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 12, 2016, 02:32:29 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on February 12, 2016, 02:14:51 AM

You must be able to show Irrefutable accurate factual evidence to support your statement.

If you can, please be so kind as to post it.

If you cannot, then STFU, and stop making such inaccurate statements.

Am I correct in surmising you are referring to the Kremlin's ' Holy War' in Syria?

.

If that's what you wish to call it :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 12, 2016, 08:46:26 AM

Quote from: Maxx on February 12, 2016, 05:04:09 AM

Wow! What exchange between Sanders and Clinton! (See the short video)

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/kissinger-is-not-my-friend-042515642.html

And what is it with Hillary's cheeks? They must injected with something. This woman is positively difficult to look at!

Back to Sanders. It is clear that Trump and Sanders both reject the MIC. Hillary is a neo-con and so are all the rest of the Republic pack. Sanders blames Kissinger from the rise of Pol Pot and the gencide of 3 million. So when is he going to start blaming Hillary for the rise of the Islamic State with the overthrow of Libya's Qadaffi and the arming of the rebels in Syria? After all wasn't that where the arms to do so came from?

Great post Maxx. I'm obviously not a liberal however if I were I would have to vote for Sanders. However as B/B properly posted the Democrats are thoroughly corrupt and Hillary still picked up delegates from NH even though she lost. Pretty sad state of affairs considering that those delegates are not honoring the will of the people but only voting for their special interests which they expect her to kowtow to.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 12, 2016, 10:32:49 AM

Gotta love this -
https://www.facebook.com/emily.longworth.9/videos/1083773491686054/

Couldn't say it any better myself!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 12, 2016, 10:37:50 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 12, 2016, 02:29:32 AM

The Republicans have 3 unpledged delegates per state and these are supposed to vote according to consensus. There's 210 of those at this time. That's about 7% of the total number of delegates.

Your math is a little faulty there President Obama . . . . . . . . . . .

Have you actually traveled to all 70 states?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 12, 2016, 10:39:59 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 11, 2016, 10:53:01 PM

I realize you're a pessimist and that's okay. You should probably vote for Bernie Sanders...or HC... :laugh:

Nope. If Trump is the candidate (and he won't be) I just won't vote at all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 12, 2016, 10:50:28 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 12, 2016, 02:32:29 AM

Am I correct in surmising you are referring to the Kremlin's 'Holy war' on Syria'

Quote from: Gipsy on February 12, 2016, 06:56:58 AM

If that's what you wish to call it :thumbsup:

No..that's what Russian TV called it...[puke]

As daft as a 'muzzie' referring to a 'Jihad'...

You do tember that was how it was 'sold' on RU tv news and then a charter flight to Piter was bombed... ?

As for accuracy...still trying to suggest HRW and Amnesty ....let alone local evidence of cluster bomb canisters is 'making it up' ?

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 12, 2016, 10:52:26 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 12, 2016, 10:39:59 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 11, 2016, 10:53:01 PM
I realize you're a pessimist and that's okay. You should probably vote for Bernie Sanders...or HC... :laugh:

Nope. If Trump is the candidate (and he won't be) I just won't vote at all.

Keep dreaming. Trump will be the nominee, it's inevitable. Look at the latest polls.

And just curious. There's a rumor that Kasich might be his choice for VP. Would you vote for that ticket?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 12, 2016, 12:12:35 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 12, 2016, 10:52:26 AM

Keep dreaming. Trump will be the nominee, it's inevitable. Look at the latest polls.

Winning 35% of the vote in every state will not win him the nomination

Quote from: Anteros on February 12, 2016, 10:52:26 AM

And just curious. There's a rumor that Kasich might be his choice for VP. Would you vote for that ticket?

Nope

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 12, 2016, 12:23:15 PM

Shakespear, if you don't vote at all then you will be voting Democrat. Is that what you want?

Would you prefer to see a Democrat president as opposed to a Republican?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 12, 2016, 12:41:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 12, 2016, 12:12:35 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 12, 2016, 10:52:26 AM
Keep dreaming. Trump will be the nominee, it's inevitable. Look at the latest polls.

Winning 35% of the vote in every state will not win him the nomination

Quote from: Anteros on February 12, 2016, 10:52:26 AM
And just curious. There's a rumor that Kasich might be his choice for VP. Would you vote for that ticket?

Nope

Come on captain as a USMC officer you know the winning ticket is now low energy but huggable and likeable former globalist bankster who knows where all the bodies are buried Kasich as VP - the amount of hostility against Trump is surprisingly significant which is why Kasich a bumbly hand waving basically likable guy who is in fact Governor of Ohio would counter Trumps negatives and carry a major swing state as VP.

Scroll down to the finance charts for direct campaign and outsider (Super PAC) finances... Kasich has only $13M+ total a fraction of Jeb, Carson, Rubio, Cruz and Walker who already Dropped out - Trump has spent the least and far and away has the most bang for the buck in cost per vote and votes ROI per media spend.

As the rest of the field thins and Trump's team ramps up the Pro American Make America Great Again message - he has the funds to go all the way and a lot of patriotic Republicans, Independents, Women, Minorities and yes DEMOCRATS will cross over and vote for Mr. Trump.

Follow the money honey:

(Who knew Carson was such a money magnet from individual evangelical voters?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016#Campaign_finance

NOTE: Trump's Campaign "Debt" is in the form of a personal loan from himself to his campaign in accordance with FEC rules.

Candidate   Campaign Committee (as of December 31)   Outside Groups (as of January 31)   Total Spent   Suspended
Campaign
Money Spent   Cash on Hand   Debt   Money Spent   Cash on Hand
Donald August 19 (cropped2).jpg
Donald Trump   $12,440,892   $6,964,325   $12,620,297#   $1,733,144   $161,365   $14,174,036   Active
Ted Cruz, official portrait, 113th Congress (cropped 2).jpg
Ted Cruz   $28,352,063   $18,734,794   $862,620   $10,677,649   $31,778,188   $39,029,712   Active
MarcoRubioColorEnhanced112thCongress.jpg
Marco Rubio   $22,649,953   $10,398,593   $0   $17,528,134   $14,323,588   $40,178,086   Active
Governor John Kasich.jpg
John Kasich   $5,045,064   $2,537,301   $0   $8,080,028   $-4,624,165   $13,125,093   Active
Jeb Bush - Jan 2016 town hall meeting Ankeny Iowa.tiff
Jeb Bush   $24,332,242   $7,589,858   $155,989   $59,754,823   $58,607,172   $84,087,065   Active
Ben Carson by Gage Skidmore 6.jpg
Ben Carson   $47,468,963   $6,567,647   $0   $13,907,158   $-174,609   $61,376,121   Active
Chris Christie April 2015 (cropped).jpg
Chris Christie   $6,033,171   $1,126,158   $61,918   $15,662,075<   $3,836,683   $21,695,246   February 10
Carly Fiorina by Gage Skidmore 3 (cropped).jpg
Carly Fiorina   $6,864,749   $4,484,307   $0   $8,394,669   $4,620,982   $15,259,418   February 10
Rick Santorum by Gage Skidmore 11.jpg
Rick Santorum   $1,265,912   $56,153   $617,802   $1,032,269   $-393,119   $2,298,181   February 3
Rand Paul, official portrait, 112th Congress alternate (cropped).jpg
Rand Paul   $10,138,694   $1,270,072   $248,368   $7,350,952   $3,186,990   $17,489,646   February 3
Mike Huckabee by Gage Skidmore 6.jpg
Mike Huckabee   $3,816,902   $133,244   $49,471   $3,435,479   $2,278,648   $7,252,380   February 1
Governor of New York George Pataki at Northeast Republican Leadership Conference Philadelphia PA June 2015 NRLC by Michael Vadon 07 (cropped).jpg
George Pataki   $524,850   $19,332   $20,000#   $1,510,759   $36,915   $2,035,609   December 29
Lindsey Graham by Gage Skidmore 3.jpg
Lindsey Graham   $3,110,901   $1,651,309   $0   $4,263,809   $124,495   $7,374,710   December 21
Bobby Jindal 26 February 2015.jpg
Bobby Jindal   $1,442,464   $0   $0   $4,517,855   $-648   $5,960,318   November 17
Scott Walker March 2015.jpg
Scott Walker   $7,820,291   $153,460   $1,207,082   $24,393,632   $42,686   $32,213,923   September 21
Rick Perry February 2015.jpg
Rick Perry   $1,766,819   $2,403   $0   $15,356,117   $-125,050   $17,122,936   September

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 12, 2016, 01:23:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 12, 2016, 10:39:59 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 11, 2016, 10:53:01 PM
I realize you're a pessimist and that's okay. You should probably vote for Bernie Sanders...or HC... :laugh:

Nope. If Trump is the candidate (and he won't be) I just won't vote at all.

You personally said you would vote for the GOP candidate and now you want to commit political suicide and let Hitlery and Comrade Bernie win - SHAME on you.

Fortunately you can hide out in Moscow.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 12, 2016, 04:08:54 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 11, 2016, 11:28:21 PM

In case you were in any doubt, my reminding folks that 'Christians' are committing terrorist acts.

...is typically brought up by the Left as some sort of bizarre "moral equivalence". To wit, if trans-national Christian terrorist organizations where shooting up cafes would you be whining on "But...but...but...MUSLIMS DO IT, TOO!!!" Not very likely. Why? Because this sort of thing is simply "moral signalling". Moral vanity, really. The narcissism of the Leftoid - "I'm condemning the West! I'm condemning Western Values! LOOK WHAT A GOOD PERSON I AM!!! LOOK AT HOW MUCH [fake] INTEGRITY I HAVE!!!"

Quote from: msmoby on February 11, 2016, 11:28:21 PM

In case you missed it... I showed solidarity with the victims and higlighted this guy..who lost his wife and mother of his 1 yr old son.....

. . . . .

My type of guy....

I hadn't seen that before. That said, I don't particularly "hate" the Muzzies. However, when you have a rat problem, you don't simp around wondering if you should be nicer to the rats, apologizing to the rats b/c your cats or your terriers are sometimes "mean" to them, or hoping that, if you're tell the rats that you're worse than they are, they'll behave better.

You kill yourself some mutthaf*cking rats.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 12, 2016, 05:59:33 PM

We are at a critical juncture in our history prior to Karl Marx the Argentine and Brazilian and Uruguayan and other South and Central American ranches, plantations and mines generated massive riches for the European Merchant bankers - then radical Marxist socialist feminism took root and you basically have now a binary society of Poor who live in sprawling favellas and the Rich who live in gated and arm guarded communities behind large unscalable Jerusalem walls topped with razor wire and IR sensors.

Trump builds premier properties and golf resorts around the world and licenses others to his specs that his organization digs into their private rolodex to endorse and actively market to the world's 1,100+ Billionaires and multi-millionaires - as soon as he inks a deal most of these premier properties are pre-sold at a profit before ground is broken.

Mr. Trumps knows first hand the trends he sees in the third world - business owners flying from their office towers to their gated estates so that they are not car jacked with automatic weapons, IEDs and EFDs on the Brazilian highways by underworld gangsters or vicious competition.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-berni...49663.html
Mr. Trump knows we are at a tipping point in the USA that if Bernie and Hitlery are allowed to win and jack up our taxes from Obama's 38.5% Federal Income Tax to Bernies and Hitlery's top 58% plus the Obama hidden 3% surcharge plus all the other Federal State and Local Taxes and bloated government employee salaries and pensions free market capitalism will be dead for all intents and purposes and the only profits to be made will be virtual arbitrage of goods and services using third world slave labor in Brazil, China, North Korea, Vietnam and Indonesia and Financial Markets Arbitrage taking US ETFs and Pension funds and investing in high growth emerging markets with Brazilian style favellas, road crime jackings, and kidnaps separated into peasants and Oligarchs...

Since Mr. Trump sells aspirational Premier Properties and Brands to upscale and aspirational people often New Wealth versus Old Wealth... for his brand and legacy to grow and benefit his Children and Grand Children he knows a prosperous and aspirational nation is essential.

Furthermore a strong military is only possible in a strong healthy nation with Alpha Males capable, willing and motivated to take up arms in defense of their families and sensual feminine women who care for them as their just reward.

We now have a nation of Patriotic Nationalists versus Globalist Traitors.

We have a nation we LOVE and are PROUD of and are NOT GOING TO LOSE!

Everything we care about is UNDER ASSAULT, We are going to Stop the Assault!

We are Going to Make America Great Again, bigger, smarter, stronger and better than it Has EVER BEEN!

...Donald J. Trump, Alpha Patriot

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 13, 2016, 12:15:16 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 12, 2016, 12:12:35 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 12, 2016, 10:52:26 AM
Keep dreaming. Trump will be the nominee, it's inevitable. Look at the latest polls.

Winning 35% of the vote in every state will not win him the nomination

Quote from: Anteros on February 12, 2016, 10:52:26 AM
And just curious. There's a rumor that Kasich might be his choice for VP. Would you vote for that ticket?

Nope

Trump is polling at 44% in the latest. You not voting for the nominee is pathetic. You might as well be a commie in my book. Sour grapes of a guy who knows he is going to lose a bet. SAD. Worse than voting for Hillary. Worse than voting for Bernie.

Meanwhile Trump had 11,000 at an arena in Tampa tonight. An additional 5,000 people were outside and could not get in. Elton John was the last person to fill that arena and he's a rock star. Oh wait, so is Trump. I don't see your Governor or anybody else pulling the HUGE audiences which Trump does.

:popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 13, 2016, 12:21:43 AM

I would advise Mr Trump not to pick for VP any neo-con Shakespear would approve of. It would be #46 in the oval office before too long.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 13, 2016, 12:30:43 AM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 13, 2016, 01:34:12 AM

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/12/politi...index.html

Brilliant:

Washington (CNN)President Barack Obama's former top military intelligence official said Hillary Clinton should pull out of the presidential race while the FBI investigate her use of a private email server for official government communication while secretary of state.

Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, the retired chief of the Defense Intelligence Agency, made the call in an interview with Jake Tapper on "The Lead."

"If it were me, I would have been out the door and probably in jail," said Flynn, who decried what he said was a "lack of accountability, frankly, in a person who should have been much more responsible in her actions as the secretary of state of the United States of America."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 13, 2016, 01:57:40 AM

I just finished reading this: http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/02/after-sanders-big-win-in-new-hampshire-establishme.html

The article clarifies and supports some points I was making above about super delegates and how their use to 'steal' a nomination is unlikely. The piece is specific to the Democrat situation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 13, 2016, 02:50:38 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 13, 2016, 01:57:40 AM

I just finished reading this: http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/02/after-sanders-big-win-in-new-hampshire-establishme.html

The article clarifies and supports some points I was making above about super delegates and how their use to 'steal' a nomination is unlikely. The piece is specific to the Democrat situation.

Those that try and steal an election better be careful. This is not 50 years ago when people were naive about such things.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 13, 2016, 03:17:58 AM

Let's see, Trump has got about 20% of the Democrat vote, good percentage of the black vote and now this.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/12/no-joke-trump-can-win-plenty-of-latinos.html

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Quote

A new poll confirms it. In the national survey, which was conducted by Beck Research on behalf of the American Federation for Children, 38 percent of Latinos favor Trump. Ted Cruz got 15 percent. Jeb Bush pulled in 14 percent. And Marco Rubio, the guy who’s supposed to be the one who could unite the party and win? Just 8 percent.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 13, 2016, 12:06:29 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 13, 2016, 12:15:16 AM

Trump is polling at 44% in the latest.

You can't win the Convention with 44% of the vote either.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 13, 2016, 12:51:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 13, 2016, 12:06:29 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 13, 2016, 12:15:16 AM
Trump is polling at 44% in the latest.

You can't win the Convention with 44% of the vote either.

Depends on how many delegates he racks up in the "proportional" states and then if he wins most of the "winner takes all" states.

I think Rubio, right now, is the best shot at beating H-Rod, nationwide (he's actually leading her in Minnesota (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/01/rubio-crushes-clinton-in-minnesota.php), a traditionally Dem state).

Rubio isn't necessarily my first choice, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 13, 2016, 01:09:27 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 13, 2016, 12:51:08 PM

I think Rubio, right now, is the best shot at beating H-Rod, nationwide (he's actually leading her in Minnesota (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/01/rubio-crushes-clinton-in-minnesota.php), a traditionally Dem state).

Rubio isn't necessarily my first choice, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

B/B

Hillary leads Trump by between 5-10% in the latest group of polls according to Real Clear Politics.

In the same group of polls, Rubio is up between 4-9% against Clinton.

The number ONE object of the 2016 election has got to be getting the Democrats OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE

So using Anteros's logic, a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 13, 2016, 01:13:37 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 13, 2016, 01:09:27 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 13, 2016, 12:51:08 PM
I think Rubio, right now, is the best shot at beating H-Rod, nationwide (he's actually leading her in Minnesota (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/01/rubio-crushes-clinton-in-minnesota.php), a traditionally Dem state).

Rubio isn't necessarily my first choice, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

B/B

Hillary leads Trump by between 5-10% in the latest group of polls according to real Clear Politics.

In the same group of polls, Rubio is up between 4-9% against Clinton.

So using Anteros's logic, a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary.

Not so soon. There's much to play out in this fascinating winner takes all circus and you know it.

I suggest you acquaint yourself with the link Maxx posted that Trump could actually win the Latino vote.

Current polls about who could beat Hillary are also too far away from the actual real contest.

I wholeheartedly agree with B/B that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 13, 2016, 06:53:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 13, 2016, 01:09:27 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 13, 2016, 12:51:08 PM
I think Rubio, right now, is the best shot at beating H-Rod, nationwide (he's actually leading her in Minnesota (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/01/rubio-crushes-clinton-in-minnesota.php), a traditionally Dem state).

Rubio isn't necessarily my first choice, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

B/B

Hillary leads Trump by between 5-10% in the latest group of polls according to Real Clear Politics.

In the same group of polls, Rubio is up between 4-9% against Clinton.

The number ONE object of the 2016 election has got to be getting the Democrats OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE

So using Anteros's logic, a vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary.

Hillary's support is 1 mile wide and 1 inch deep. And Trump is the only one willing to point out her flaws. Sanders has shown how little people trust her.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 13, 2016, 07:59:38 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 13, 2016, 06:53:18 PM

Hillary's support is 1 mile wide and 1 inch deep. And Trump is the only one willing to point out her flaws. Sanders has shown how little people trust her.

Sanders doesn't exactly go for the kill. When she bragged about how she advised Obama to go after Bin Laden he should have said "You did? Thank god you were there!"

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 13, 2016, 11:13:59 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 13, 2016, 06:53:18 PM

Hillary's support is 1 mile wide and 1 inch deep. And Trump is the only one willing to point out her flaws. Sanders has shown how little people trust her.

Don't forget that you predicted a "hog slaughter."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 17, 2016, 02:05:15 PM

Why it is now a DONE DEAL for the Donald:

Donald Trump is now the Republican Party’s establishment-lane candidate:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...candidate/

If you look at past polling, we've reached the stage of the year where past presidential primary winners had largely already been identified. On Feb. 17, 2004, John Kerry held a huge lead among Democrats that he'd keep. In 2008, Barack Obama and John McCain each led his party on this day, and would keep on leading until their conventions. The year 2012 is the only exception, with Rick Santorum having seized the GOP lead from Mitt Romney -- and Romney seizing it back two weeks later, for good.

In each of those years, we had more primary elections under our belts than we do now, but, with the exception of the 2008 Democrats, we also had less stability. Donald Trump will have led in Real Clear Politics' polling average nationally, save a day or two when he was tied with Ben Carson, for precisely seven months this Saturday -- the day he is likely to win South Carolina's Republican primary on a perhaps-unstoppable run to the nomination.

What will it be like to have a Pro America Patriot versus a Hate America First Islamo Sympatico Militant BLM, Militant LGBTQ Militant Feminist SJW in the White House?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 17, 2016, 03:13:31 PM

It's taken me a while to figure out why Trump voters are so firm in their support for this buffoon.

It's because they are EMOTIONALLY attached instead of logically attached to the candidate.

Ever try to convince your kids they're wrong about something. Same thing in play with Trump supporters.

My hope is that Cruz, Bush, Kasich and Carson withdraw from the race and throw their support to Rubio and save these idiots from themselves.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 17, 2016, 03:21:54 PM

WAIT A MINUTE!

NBC national poll just released:

28 Cruz
26 Trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 17, 2016, 03:46:19 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 17, 2016, 03:21:54 PM

WAIT A MINUTE!

NBC national poll just released:

28 Cruz
26 Trump

Which is really scary for the GOP since it's possible that Cruz is hated by more of the GOP establishment and/or voters outside of Texas than Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 17, 2016, 07:40:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 17, 2016, 03:13:31 PM

It's taken me a while to figure out why Trump voters are so firm in their support for this buffoon.

It's because they are EMOTIONALLY attached instead of logically attached to the candidate.

Ever try to convince your kids they're wrong about something. Same thing in play with Trump supporters.

My hope is that Cruz, Bush, Kasich and Carson withdraw from the race and throw their support to Rubio and save these idiots from themselves.

I think that Trump is viewed as the guy that will shake up WashDC and not let it be politics as usual.

I have jokingly asked diff. people I know, if Iran were to drop a tactical weapon on WashDC that only wiped out the Federal Govt buildings and employees, after 1 week - would they then vote to be best friends with Iran? You would be surprised at the grins I get with this question...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 17, 2016, 09:12:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 17, 2016, 03:21:54 PM

WAIT A MINUTE!

NBC national poll just released:

28 Cruz
26 Trump

Total bull shite "Agenda" poll by a PR firm to deliver the desired Rupert Murdoch (owns WSJ and a rabid Rubio robot cucker) paid for and sponsored result NOT a valid scientific Opinion poll - Trump at approx 40% Nationwide and growing.

Brilliant expose about Rubert Murdoch's "agenda polls" - Globalist Anti-American Billionaire criminal of the Soros ilk... http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/02/17/three-strikes-third-time-this-campaign-season-nbcwsj-caught-promoting-agenda-polls/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 17, 2016, 09:50:49 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 17, 2016, 03:13:31 PM

It's taken me a while to figure out why Trump voters are so firm in their support for this buffoon.

It's because they are EMOTIONALLY attached instead of logically attached to the candidate.

Here's one man's analysis:

http://honestlythinking.org/if-you-are-a-trump-supporter-these-are-the-9-things-i-assume-about-you/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 17, 2016, 10:03:14 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on February 17, 2016, 09:12:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 17, 2016, 03:21:54 PM
WAIT A MINUTE!

NBC national poll just released:

28 Cruz
26 Trump

Total bull shite "Agenda" poll by a PR firm to deliver the desired Rupert Murdoch (owns WSJ and a rabid Rubio robot cucker) paid for and sponsored result NOT a valid scientific Opinion poll - Trump at approx 40% Nationwide and growing.

Brilliant expose about Rubert Murdoch's "agenda polls" - Globalist Anti-American Billionaire criminal of the Soros ilk... http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/02/17/three-strikes-third-time-this-campaign-season-nbcwsj-caught-promoting-agenda-polls/

A comparison of many recent polls, spot the outlier ...

(https://i.imgur.com/hiJCWGR.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 17, 2016, 10:40:10 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 17, 2016, 10:03:14 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on February 17, 2016, 09:12:38 PM
Quote from: shakespear on February 17, 2016, 03:21:54 PM
WAIT A MINUTE!

NBC national poll just released:

28 Cruz
26 Trump

Total bull shite "Agenda" poll by a PR firm to deliver the desired Rupert Murdoch (owns WSJ and a rabid Rubio robot cucker) paid for and sponsored result NOT a valid scientific Opinion poll - Trump at approx 40% Nationwide and growing.

Brilliant expose about Rubert Murdoch's "agenda polls" - Globalist Anti-American Billionaire criminal of the Soros ilk... http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/02/17/three-strikes-third-time-this-campaign-season-nbcwsj-caught-promoting-agenda-polls/

A comparison of many recent polls, spot the outlier ...

(https://i.imgur.com/hiJCWGR.jpg)

+1 Exactly

I am so glad we gave Trump a resounding launch from New Hampshire - I am going to be so obnoxious to the liberal Marxist SJWs and pseudo intellectual SJWs and all Euro SJWs after Mr. Trump is sworn in as the first pro American Nationalist POTUS and CiC since Reagan.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 18, 2016, 12:49:31 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 17, 2016, 09:50:49 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 17, 2016, 03:13:31 PM
It's taken me a while to figure out why Trump voters are so firm in their support for this buffoon.

It's because they are EMOTIONALLY attached instead of logically attached to the candidate.

Here's one man's analysis:

http://honestlythinking.org/if-you-are-a-trump-supporter-these-are-the-9-things-i-assume-about-you/

Since he says he works for a ministry I'm assuming he's some type of cleric. I could pull a number of quotes from the bible that aren't PC by modern standards and because he's a cleric that must mean he accepts them as an article of faith.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 18, 2016, 03:33:46 AM

Trump will become President.

Shakespear will lose his bet to Anteros, pay it and Anteros will use a photo of it for his avatar :P

My daughters can get good jobs again when the "Service economy" is replaced by the returned manufacturing.

And Shakespear will lose a great, great deal of money on his MIC, Transnational Corporation and Monsanto stocks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 18, 2016, 07:10:53 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 18, 2016, 12:49:31 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 17, 2016, 09:50:49 PM
Quote from: shakespear on February 17, 2016, 03:13:31 PM
It's taken me a while to figure out why Trump voters are so firm in their support for this buffoon.

It's because they are EMOTIONALLY attached instead of logically attached to the candidate.

Here's one man's analysis:

http://honestlythinking.org/if-you-are-a-trump-supporter-these-are-the-9-things-i-assume-about-you/

Since he says he works for a ministry I'm assuming he's some type of cleric. I could pull a number of quotes from the bible that aren't PC by modern standards and because he's a cleric that must mean he accepts them as an article of faith.

Although it's a Christian blogger in the link the blogger takes Trump out of context each and every time. Nothing new for establishment types.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 18, 2016, 07:13:04 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 17, 2016, 03:21:54 PM

WAIT A MINUTE!

NBC national poll just released:

28 Cruz
26 Trump

I was under the impression that you dislike Cruz almost as much as you dislike Trump. Either way this was the only poll which had Cruz on top. All of the other ones have Trump winning. More important IMO is that Trump will likely win big in South Carolina. Once he achieves that it's all over.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 18, 2016, 08:00:50 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 18, 2016, 07:13:04 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 17, 2016, 03:21:54 PM
WAIT A MINUTE!

NBC national poll just released:

28 Cruz
26 Trump

I was under the impression that you dislike Cruz almost as much as you dislike Trump. Either way this was the only poll which had Cruz on top. All of the other ones have Trump winning. More important IMO is that Trump will likely win big in South Carolina. Once he achieves that it's all over.

Certainly true. Even Shakespeare would agree.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 18, 2016, 08:12:39 AM

Quote from: Maxx on February 18, 2016, 08:00:50 AM

Certainly true. Even Shakespeare would agree.

Not even close.

Once Trump starts winning states with 51%, THEN it will be over.

All the Republicans have to so is be smart enough to cull down the field to one person.

That one person, with the exception of Carson, will beat Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 18, 2016, 09:30:03 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 18, 2016, 08:12:39 AM

Quote from: Maxx on February 18, 2016, 08:00:50 AM
Certainly true. Even Shakespeare would agree.

Not even close.

Once Trump starts winning states with 51%, THEN it will be over.

All the Republicans have to so is be smart enough to cull down the field to one person.

That one person, with the exception of Carson, will beat Trump.

Clearly the "chosen one" is Rubio. I like Rubio enough to vote for him if he is the nominee.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 18, 2016, 10:59:41 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 18, 2016, 08:12:39 AM

Quote from: Maxx on February 18, 2016, 08:00:50 AM
Certainly true. Even Shakespeare would agree.

Not even close.

Once Trump starts winning states with 51%, THEN it will be over.

All the Republicans have to so is be smart enough to cull down the field to one person.

That one person, with the exception of Carson, will beat Trump.

In marketing, there is something called "the rule of 3 and 4". See https://www.bcgperspectives.com/content/Classics/strategy_the_rule_of_three_and_four/

Basically when you know a market has stability is when the 3 biggest competitors are at a market share ratio of 4:2:1.

And looking over the numbers, we have Trump having double the votes of his next closest competitor, though with the crowded field it hasn't shaken out yet.

This means with 3 left (I would guess Trump, Rubio, Cruz) Trump would have over 50%, next would have 25%, 3rd place would have 12.5% (add in a few percentage points either way to get to 100% of votes).

I don't trust Trump 100% although I understand the frustration. This graphic sums up how the Trump supporters I know, feel about it:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZgFhPLWAAAaIW3.png:large)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 18, 2016, 11:53:48 AM

News Flash!

69.5 million US Catholics (22% of the population) have just been given their marching orders

Pope Francis declares "Trump is not a Christian"

Therefore Catholics would be committing a venial sin to vote for him.

I'm tell ya, this guy's ship has sunk.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 18, 2016, 12:17:10 PM

Why would that be? Why a sin to vote for one's favoured candidate?

The Pope did not say people should not vote for Trump. He was responding to a question.
Pope Francis said

Quote

"a person who thinks only about building walls... and not of building bridges, is not Christian".

and later:

Quote

"I say only that this man is not Christian if he has said things like that. We must see if he said things in that way and I will give him the benefit of the doubt,"

He was speaking hypothetically about matters he clearly infers he does not know about.

As Jerry Falwell jr. said:

Quote

"Jesus never intended to give instructions to political leaders on how to run a country,"

Indeed Jesus himself is reported to have said, in respect of a related issue:

Quote

"Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

It'd seem that 'Caesar' has the right to manage the country and, as Jesus points out, should be allowed to do so. The Pope here, if one takes the personalised version of the translation as being 'gospel' seems to overstep the mark a tad.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 18, 2016, 12:23:50 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 18, 2016, 12:17:10 PM

Why would that be? Why a sin to vote for one's favoured candidate?

Having the Pope claim his is not a Christian is a pretty serious matter.

That's why for Catholics it would be a venial sin; one that doesn't break trust with God buy may incur varying degrees of his wrath.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 18, 2016, 12:26:01 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 18, 2016, 11:53:48 AM

News Flash!

69.5 million US Catholics (22% of the population) have just been given their marching orders

Pope Francis declares "Trump is not a Christian"

Therefore Catholics would be committing a venial sin to vote for him.

I'm tell ya, this guy's ship has sunk.

It's always very important to read the actual, full transcript. I can't find that at this point.

Tell me please, any chance you have experienced first-hand, cognitive dissonance in the level of adherence to Catholic doctrine, that young Catholic girls say they adhere to, vs. what they actually do in private? :smokin:

I've only rarely seen cases where a person's Catholicism is allowed to get in the the way of them having a good time... :hidechair:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 18, 2016, 12:29:33 PM

You, Shakespear are making claims that the Pope did not make. You are making stuff up here. Why do so?

The Pope did not say that voting for Trump was a sin, indeed he directly said that he was not getting involved in whether people should vote for Trump or not.

Why mislead people?

On a related matter, as you know, being a Christian is not a requirement for the Presidency of the United States. Given that, how could voting for a person who was not a Christian be a sin? Are you getting confused here?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 18, 2016, 12:40:56 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 18, 2016, 12:23:50 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 18, 2016, 12:17:10 PM
Why would that be? Why a sin to vote for one's favoured candidate?

Having the Pope claim his is not a Christian is a pretty serious matter.

That's why for Catholics it would be a venial sin; one that doesn't break trust with God buy may incur varying degrees of his wrath.

Can they vote for Sanders? He's not a Christian either.

{Bearing in mind that I give the pope no more regard than I would any other Prada-wearing socialist.}

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 18, 2016, 12:55:43 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 18, 2016, 12:29:33 PM

You, Shakespear are making claims that the Pope did not make. You are making stuff up here. Why do so?

You are the one that provided a partial quote.

Here is the actual full quote: "A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the Gospel. I'd just say that this man is not Christian if he said it this way."

The bigger point is that his big fat mouth has now alienated the Roman Catholic Church.

And check the definition of a venial sin.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 18, 2016, 01:28:35 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 18, 2016, 12:55:43 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 18, 2016, 12:29:33 PM
You, Shakespear are making claims that the Pope did not make. You are making stuff up here. Why do so?

You are the one that provided a partial quote.

Here is the actual full quote: "A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the Gospel. I'd just say that this man is not Christian if he said it this way."

The bigger point is that his big fat mouth has now alienated the Roman Catholic Church.

And check the definition of a venial sin.

I don't know how Trump will play out - I think all I have predicted is that he will make it to the RNC convention.

(I do believe that if Trump becomes the candidate and goes up against Hillary as a candidate, he will win.)

However on this point - I am quite sure you are wrong.

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Exhibit A:

In 2008, the post-election analysis was that "Catholics voted for Mr. Obama over Mr. McCain by a nine-point margin (54 percent versus 45 percent)" see http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/07/catholic-voters-heavily-favored-obama-analysis-sho/?page=all and I am sure many more links will show the same.
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Exhibit B:

Catholic teaching is clear, that a Catholic voter can not vote for a pro-abortion candidate.

see https://www.ewtn.com/vote/brief_catechism.htm , point 3:

"If a political candidate supported abortion, or any other moral evil, such as assisted suicide and euthanasia, for that matter, it would not be morally permissible for you to vote for that person. This is because, in voting for such a person, you would become an accomplice in the moral evil at issue. For this reason, moral evils such as abortion, euthanasia and assisted suicide are examples of a “disqualifying issue.” A disqualifying issue is one which is of such gravity and importance that it allows for no political maneuvering. "
----

Obama was clealy a pro-abortion candidate ; Catholics in the USA, by 54 to 45, voted not to follow Catholic teaching when voting.

QED.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 18, 2016, 01:36:20 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 18, 2016, 10:59:41 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZgFhPLWAAAaIW3.png:large)

Only an idiot would believe this BS.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 18, 2016, 01:43:06 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 18, 2016, 01:36:20 PM

Only an idiot would believe this BS.

I posted it as an example of the views of many Trump voters. I assume you are disagreeing with the image, rather than me saying it is the view of some Trump voters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 18, 2016, 04:31:19 PM

You assume correctly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 18, 2016, 04:59:20 PM

So given the evangelical population in the south, I have concluded that Pope Francis has evidently been put in charge of the "Get out the vote!" effort for Trump ahead of the South Carolina primary.

No word if Trump plans to travel to Vatican City, stand in front of the gate and shout, "Pope Francis! Tear down this wall!!!" (http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/18/pope-says-those-who-build-walls-arent-christian-lives-behind-massive-wall/)

:8)

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 18, 2016, 05:18:36 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 18, 2016, 04:59:20 PM

So given the evangelical population in the south, I have concluded that Pope Francis has evidently been put in charge of the "Get out the vote!" effort for Trump ahead of the South Carolina primary.

No word if Trump plans to travel to Vatican City, stand in front of the gate and shout, "Pope Francis! Tear down this wall!!!" (http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/18/pope-says-those-who-build-walls-arent-christian-lives-behind-massive-wall/)

:8)

B/B

+1

Comrade Papa Francisco is a rabid Liberation Theologist - a Marxist Social Justice Warrior to the Core and largely responsible for the hordes of women and children and workers migrating from central and south America to the USA similar to the George Soros open borders inspired invaders of Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 18, 2016, 05:57:42 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 18, 2016, 12:23:50 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 18, 2016, 12:17:10 PM
Why would that be? Why a sin to vote for one's favoured candidate?

Having the Pope claim his is not a Christian is a pretty serious matter.

That's why for Catholics it would be a venial sin; one that doesn't break trust with God buy may incur varying degrees of his wrath.

Oh yeah, like US Catholics have always "towed the line" of the Catholic hierarchy. (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 18, 2016, 06:01:18 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 18, 2016, 01:36:20 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 18, 2016, 10:59:41 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZgFhPLWAAAaIW3.png:large)

Only an idiot would believe this BS.

Thank you! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 18, 2016, 06:04:50 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 18, 2016, 04:59:20 PM

So given the evangelical population in the south, I have concluded that Pope Francis has evidently been put in charge of the "Get out the vote!" effort for Trump ahead of the South Carolina primary.

B/B

Exactly! It amazes me that the harder they try to tear down Trump and defeat him, the more they play into his hands. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 18, 2016, 09:15:25 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 18, 2016, 01:43:06 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 18, 2016, 01:36:20 PM

Only an idiot would believe this BS.

I posted it as an example of the views of many Trump voters. I assume you are disagreeing with the image, rather than me saying it is the view of some Trump voters.

Are you now denying that you yourself are/were a Trump supporter who planned to be a Trump voter? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 19, 2016, 02:41:39 AM

Wouldn't it be interesting if Sanders sweeps the elections yet Hillary wins because she buys all the super delegates from the DNC (as she has been doing). And wouldn't be interesting if Trump sweeps the elections yet some establishment approved RINO hack that is polling only 17% or so gets the nomination by the use of the same tactics Hillary used?

As Andrew pointed out this would an enormous risk to the establishment that wants to maintain its power at all cost. Wouldn't it be better for them to let Trump or Sanders get through and use their other tricks? Perhaps give Sanders or Trump enough rope to hang themselves by allowing some of the economic changes they propose? Then with the help of the MSM and the Federal Reserve pull the support out from under the economy and let the crash happen if only for awhile? I can hear Shakespear from the Right and TomT from the Left saying, "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" These two men representing the average American at that time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 19, 2016, 03:01:31 AM

Maxx, the use of Super Delegates (pledged delegates) is different in both the major parties. What can be done, and seems to be in play, in the Democratic [sic] Party shouldn't happen in the Republican Party.
That's because the number of pledged delegates (Super Delegates) is lower in the Republican Party and because the party's rules do not allow for this to happen. (OK, that doesn't mean it can't happen, but it is against the rules and can, and probably would, be challenged - not the case for the Democrats.)

The 'management' of the candidates is different for Republicans - for examples, consider Shakespear's posts upthread - they did not come from out of the blue. His posts and the memes behind them are the result of programming from both the Democratic Party and from within the Republican camp.

One point to note here though: we already know that a significant portion of the money that most candidates use in their campaigns comes from people (both legal and real) who support both sides and multiple candidates. We also know that 'ordinary' voters have almost no say in policy formation or legislative implementation - it is money spenders who get that privilege. I have posted links about this issue previously. The reality is, therefore, that to the people who matter, the party, or even person who becomes president is immaterial. Whoever becomes president, whichever party, is beholden to their paymasters.

That's the Trump Risk if you will. Trump appears to be independent and self supporting and, to the extent that this may be true, he is a threat to the established system of control.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 19, 2016, 03:49:48 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 19, 2016, 03:01:31 AM

Maxx, the use of Super Delegates (pledged delegates) is different in both the major parties. What can be done, and seems to be in play, in the Democratic [sic] Party shouldn't happen in the Republican Party.
That's because the number of pledged delegates (Super Delegates) is lower in the Republican Party and because the party's rules do not allow for this to happen. (OK, that doesn't mean it can't happen, but it is against the rules and can, and probably would, be challenged - not the case for the Democrats.)

The 'management' of the candidates is different for Republicans - for examples, consider Shakespear's posts upthread - they did not come from out of the blue. His posts and the memes behind them are the result of programming from both the Democratic Party and from within the Republican camp.

One point to note here though: we already know that a significant portion of the money that most candidates use in their campaigns comes from people (both legal and real) who support both sides and multiple candidates. We also know that 'ordinary' voters have almost no say in policy formation or legislative implementation - it is money spenders who get that privilege. I have posted links about this issue previously. The reality is, therefore, that to the people who matter, the party, or even person who becomes president is immaterial. Whoever becomes president, whichever party, is beholden to their paymasters.

That's the Trump Risk if you will. Trump appears to be independent and self supporting and, to the extent that this may be true, he is a threat to the established system of control.

Thank you for clarification of where you stand and the detail of American politics. The accusations that Trump supporters are silly unsophisticated people who base their support on the same thing Obama supporters did (Hope and Change) is similar to the Left and Right Establishment's candidates' supporters beliefs in their guys/gal. I do not see Hillary/Sanders or Bush/Rubio offering ANYTHING positive for the general American population. At least with Trump there is a chance the middle class can become the majority again. No offense TomT and Shakespear but you guys seem snookered as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 19, 2016, 03:57:57 AM

Maxx, I don't have any particular favourites in this ongoing pantomime. I am not USAian and have no vote.

I have a slight interest in the process because it is a very visible aspect of how the American people are manipulated. The techniques being used on the American people in respect of the election are the same as being used on them (and not just them) in respect of the ongoing low-level war that the US has taken up against 'the world'. As with events in Ukraine, Syria and Russia - among others - one seeks to understand what is going on: the mechanics of action, the significant stakeholders and the desired goals of those stakeholders.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 07:28:03 AM

Maxx and other thinkers,

One reason Trump is so popular in America is that he rejects 25 years of the Neo-con Bush dynasty:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/18/exclusive-pat-buchanan-donald-trumps-rise-is-rejection-of-a-quarter-century-of-bush-republicanism/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 19, 2016, 09:48:12 AM

Quote from: Maxx on February 19, 2016, 03:49:48 AM

At least with Trump there is a chance the middle class can become the majority again. No offense TomT and Shakespear but you guys seem snookered as well.

Great! Let's vote for a mentally ill candidate to make the middle class the majority again.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 19, 2016, 10:02:34 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 19, 2016, 09:48:12 AM

Quote from: Maxx on February 19, 2016, 03:49:48 AM
At least with Trump there is a chance the middle class can become the majority again. No offense TomT and Shakespear but you guys seem snookered as well.

Great! Let's vote for a mentally ill candidate to make the middle class the majority again.

And you think that any person who wants to be, and succeeds in getting to be, president does not have some, at the very least, unusual tendencies?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 19, 2016, 10:06:23 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 18, 2016, 09:15:25 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 18, 2016, 01:43:06 PM
Quote from: TomT on February 18, 2016, 01:36:20 PM

Only an idiot would believe this BS.

I posted it as an example of the views of many Trump voters. I assume you are disagreeing with the image, rather than me saying it is the view of some Trump voters.

Are you now denying that you yourself are/were a Trump supporter who planned to be a Trump voter? :laugh:

I like some of what Trump says.

However I liked GWB, even voted for him - and he turned out to be quite a disappointment; he squandered the opportunities he had. So I would put myself down as "skeptical" and gun-shy about throwing a lot of support behind anyone.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 10:24:21 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 19, 2016, 10:06:23 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 18, 2016, 09:15:25 PM
Quote from: Slumba on February 18, 2016, 01:43:06 PM
Quote from: TomT on February 18, 2016, 01:36:20 PM

Only an idiot would believe this BS.

I posted it as an example of the views of many Trump voters. I assume you are disagreeing with the image, rather than me saying it is the view of some Trump voters.

Are you now denying that you yourself are/were a Trump supporter who planned to be a Trump voter? :laugh:

I like some of what Trump says.

However I liked GWB, even voted for him - and he turned out to be quite a disappointment; he squandered the opportunities he had. So I would put myself down as "skeptical" and gun-shy about throwing a lot of support behind anyone.

This a logical answer and a good way to go about it. I'm becoming tired of Trump not having sufficient patience and decorum during the debates -- the last debate in particular. I especially liked it that since then Cruz told Trump "go ahead and sue me" as Trump does have a history of threatening frivolous lawsuits. Cruz would eviscerate Trump if he deposed him for an actual lawsuit.

I still am happy that Trump has forced a conversation on illegal immigration and whether or not we should allow Syrian refugee's into the USA. IOW he has forced a conversation on many previously taboo subjects.

Cruz or Rubio are acting far more Presidential at this point in time with the nod going to Rubio. Regardless of who the nominee is, I will cast my vote and hope and pray for the best.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 19, 2016, 01:15:10 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 19, 2016, 10:06:23 AM

I like some of what Trump says.

Slumba, you're a really intelligent guy. You surely can't be conned into this "Make America Great Again" crap. It's basically "Hope and Change" repackaged.

BTW, latest poll shows Trump lead in South Carolina evaporating - now inside the margin of error for Cruz.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 19, 2016, 01:34:37 PM

Even if Cruz wins in S C I just don't see him catching on.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 19, 2016, 02:35:38 PM

Cruz is going to court in Illinois over whether or not he is a natural born citizen. Another case in NY is asking the New York State Board of Elections to have Cruz’s name struck from the ballot. At least one other lawsuit, filed in January in Houston federal court, asked for a determination of Cruz’s eligibility to serve as president.

If Cruz loses even one of these cases his chances, IMHO, of being the GOP candidate will be severely limited.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/02/18/reports-chicago-court-hear-case-knock-cruz-off-white-house-ballot/80586608/

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-18/new-york-voters-ask-court-to-remove-ted-cruz-as-candidate

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 19, 2016, 03:05:26 PM

Trump caught lying about his support for the Iraq War based on Howard Stern tape -

SC poll shows Cruz within margin of error of Trump.

Trump is hemorrhaging support.

The "House Of Cards" is continuing the implosion that began in Iowa.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 19, 2016, 03:14:36 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 19, 2016, 01:15:10 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 19, 2016, 10:06:23 AM
I like some of what Trump says.

Slumba, you're a really intelligent guy. You surely can't be conned into this "Make America Great Again" crap. It's basically "Hope and Change" repackaged.

BTW, latest poll shows Trump lead in South Carolina evaporating - now inside the margin of error for Cruz.

At this point I think the existential threat to the USA is the unchecked immigration.

If it is not stopped ASAP the country will fail.

We don't have 10-12 million illegals here - that was an estimate 15 years ago - probably closer to 40 million or more by now.

Plus H1Bs that are destroying the tech industry (which is about to crater anyways, but that is another discussion...), 90% of which are fraudulent as anyone in tech can tell you - there is not a shortage of Java programmers or cell phone engineers, it is that H1Bs work for less.

Trump is the only one that is credible about immigration; therefore he gets some attention from me. You see how it was with the Bush era immigration policies, and how even with a wall funded, nothing was done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 03:15:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 19, 2016, 03:05:26 PM

Trump caught lying about his support for the Iraq War based on Howard Stern tape -

The "House Of Cards" is imploding.

Doubtful. Time will tell. Right now he seems like a steamroller. Cruz absolutely could not beat Hillary. That leaves Trump and Rubio as the best two who could beat Hillary, and I give Rubio a slight edge.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on February 19, 2016, 03:59:14 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 19, 2016, 03:14:36 PM

Plus H1Bs that are destroying the tech industry (which is about to crater anyways, but that is another discussion...), 90% of which are fraudulent as anyone in tech can tell you - there is not a shortage of Java programmers or cell phone engineers, it is that H1Bs work for less.

My son-in-law was hired by Microsoft. His starting pay was about130k (2011). He is not hurting the tech industry.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on February 19, 2016, 04:06:21 PM

Trump made another boo-boo.

He asks to boycott Apple for standing up to citizens rights to privacy.

And then he uses an iPhone for his twitter feed. Right.

I wouldn't want to vote for someone who wants to kill my own rights.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 19, 2016, 04:07:54 PM

The parade of wack-jobs continues:

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/at-cruz-rally-in-sc-duck-dynasty-star-condemns-174909102.html

There was a time when we could count on having two or three nominally sane candidates to choose from. Alas, those days are long gone.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 19, 2016, 04:43:41 PM

Quote from: Markje on February 19, 2016, 04:06:21 PM

Trump made another boo-boo.

He asks to boycott Apple for standing up to citizens rights to privacy.

And then he uses an iPhone for his twitter feed. Right.

I wouldn't want to vote for someone who wants to kill my own rights.

You are exactly right Markje!

The government is not asking Apple to take terrorist owned the phone into THEIR lab, crack the security code for THAT one phone and then provide the government with all the information contained in it's memory.

They want Apple to provide the government with the knowledge needed to unlock the security on ANY Apple product which they can use in the future at their discretion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on February 19, 2016, 04:44:31 PM

Quote from: Markje on February 19, 2016, 04:06:21 PM

Trump made another boo-boo.

He asks to boycott Apple for standing up to citizens rights to privacy.

And then he uses an iPhone for his twitter feed. Right.

I wouldn't want to vote for someone who wants to kill my own rights.

Did you vote for Bush jr?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 04:52:55 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 19, 2016, 04:07:54 PM

The parade of wack-jobs continues:

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/at-cruz-rally-in-sc-duck-dynasty-star-condemns-174909102.html

There was a time when we could count on having two or three nominally sane candidates to choose from. Alas, those days are long gone.

What you consider to be a "parade of wack-jobs" is well over 50% of the US population.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on February 19, 2016, 05:06:43 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 04:52:55 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 19, 2016, 04:07:54 PM
The parade of wack-jobs continues:

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/at-cruz-rally-in-sc-duck-dynasty-star-condemns-174909102.html

There was a time when we could count on having two or three nominally sane candidates to choose from. Alas, those days are long gone.

What you consider to be a "parade of wack-jobs" is well over 50% of the US population.

Seems about right then.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 19, 2016, 05:19:23 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 04:52:55 PM

What you consider to be a "parade of wack-jobs" is well over 50% of the US population.

I had wack-job candidates in mind but, now that you mention it, people who vote for them deserve mention.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 19, 2016, 05:21:02 PM

Quote from: Manny on February 19, 2016, 05:06:43 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 04:52:55 PM
Quote from: TomT on February 19, 2016, 04:07:54 PM
The parade of wack-jobs continues:

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/at-cruz-rally-in-sc-duck-dynasty-star-condemns-174909102.html

There was a time when we could count on having two or three nominally sane candidates to choose from. Alas, those days are long gone.

What you consider to be a "parade of wack-jobs" is well over 50% of the US population.

Seems about right then.

Manny aren't you a Ukip supporter? How many seats did Ukip win in the last election? Wasn't it 1? The Ukip leader Nigel Farage didn't even win his riding.

Didn't Nigel offer his resignation? However, Ukip had no one better to replace him so he's still Ukip's leader. It seems you're a supporter of a losing cause.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 08:10:40 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 19, 2016, 05:19:23 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 04:52:55 PM
What you consider to be a "parade of wack-jobs" is well over 50% of the US population.

I had wack-job candidates in mind but, now that you mention it, people who vote for them deserve mention.

Oh I agree 100%. Ted Cruz is far from a "wack-job" if he is the one you are referring to. In reference to people who vote for them? Just because the main stream media and Hollywood have been slamming normal Americans for the past few decades, doesn't mean that we care one iota what the mainstream media and the Hollywood freak show think about us. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 19, 2016, 09:18:56 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 08:10:40 PM

Ted Cruz is far from a "wack-job" if he is the one you are referring to.

The bugger has "antisocial personality disorder" written on his face and it's no coincidence that he is hated by his colleagues. These are not good signs. If someone can't even get along with people who share his freakish political views, imagine how he would fare on the world stage.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 19, 2016, 09:28:34 PM

What a jackass!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/17/trump_you_will_find_out_who_really_knocked_down_the_world_trade_center_secret_papers_may_blame_saudis.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 19, 2016, 09:47:33 PM

Back in November when I was getting ready to leave I thought it would be nice to get away from the hostility people have with each other every 4 years. Well at least here in Tbilisi I am not facing it with the people whom I associate with.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 10:25:09 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 19, 2016, 09:18:56 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 08:10:40 PM
Ted Cruz is far from a "wack-job" if he is the one you are referring to.

The bugger has "antisocial personality disorder" written on his face and it's no coincidence that he is hated by his colleagues. These are not good signs. If someone can't even get along with people who share his freakish political views, imagine how he would fare on the world stage.

The man has principals, unlike most in Congress. If you think Ted Cruz has "freakish political views" (like we should stop borrowing money we don't have from China and live within our means?) you no doubt would despise all of our Founding Fathers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 10:36:17 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 19, 2016, 09:28:34 PM

What a jackass!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/17/trump_you_will_find_out_who_really_knocked_down_the_world_trade_center_secret_papers_may_blame_saudis.html

Is it not true that there are pages of the 9/11 commission testimony which have been redacted? Is it not true that Iraq and Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the World Trade Center attacks? Is it not true that there was no WMD? Is it not true that Bush Jr. wasted 2 or 3 Trillion Dollars on his Iraq boondoggle? Is it not true that there was more stability in the ME with Iraq equalizing Iran prior to the war? Is it not true, according to your previous posts, that many Iraqi civilians died in the crossfire of war?

I just don't get what you're trying to say with this post. Okay, so you think Trump is a jackass. Please clarify this in relation to my questions above, and in relation to what Trump was saying.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 12:42:37 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 19, 2016, 05:19:23 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 04:52:55 PM
What you consider to be a "parade of wack-jobs" is well over 50% of the US population.

I had wack-job candidates in mind but, now that you mention it, people who vote for them deserve mention.

The people who voted for these fools deserve mention as well. :-*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 20, 2016, 09:49:54 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 03:15:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 19, 2016, 03:05:26 PM
Trump caught lying about his support for the Iraq War based on Howard Stern tape -

The "House Of Cards" is imploding.

Doubtful. Time will tell. Right now he seems like a steamroller. Cruz absolutely could not beat Hillary. That leaves Trump and Rubio as the best two who could beat Hillary, and I give Rubio a slight edge.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-20%20at%207.08.02%20PM_zps4nsb1ibn.png)

What follows below are the complete, unedited responses of National ICE Council President Chris Crane.

BREITBART NEWS: It is well known that the Gang of Eight reached out to big business groups and amnesty groups in the process of writing the bill. When Sen. Rubio started writing his bill, did he reach out to you and other ICE officers for your ideas and input?

CRANE: Sen. Rubio never reached out to us. He surrounded himself with big business and amnesty groups, most of which were more interested in cheap labor and their own political agendas, and had no real concern for the welfare of immigrants, public safety, or the security of our nation. This while he ignored boots on the ground law enforcement officers who work within our broken immigration system every day and know better than any what’s needed to fix it. Common sense dictates that law enforcement be at the table when creating a bill like this. I think Sen. Rubio knew that, but actively chose to exclude us because of his own personal agenda.

More at:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/19/eve-south-carolina-vote-nations-ice-officers-detail-marco-rubio-betrayed/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on February 20, 2016, 09:59:54 AM

Quote from: yankee on February 19, 2016, 04:44:31 PM

Quote from: Markje on February 19, 2016, 04:06:21 PM
Trump made another boo-boo.

He asks to boycott Apple for standing up to citizens rights to privacy.

And then he uses an iPhone for his twitter feed. Right.

I wouldn't want to vote for someone who wants to kill my own rights.

Did you vote for Bush jr?

Nope, but the alternative was equally bad. I still don't get why you get only 2 choices over there.

From what I have seen, i sincerely hope some other republican wins and not Trump nor Clinton.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 20, 2016, 10:10:10 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 10:36:17 PM

Is it not true...

It's true that fifteen of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. This does not necessarily mean that they were working for the Saudi government, however. If they had been, it wouldn't have been necessary for al Qaeda to train in shithole Afghanistan. As you might recall, we supported the Mujahideen, under Operation Cyclone, prior to and during the Afghan/Russian War; they were in Afghanistan at our behest. The operation started in the Carter administration and was greatly expanded under your hero, Ronald Reagan.

The jackass doesn't know jack about al Qaeda, however; he is just trying to get his moronic supporters worked up... and it's working. The trouble is, just like the other jackass, GWB, he pointed his finger at the wrong country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on February 20, 2016, 10:12:06 AM

Quote from: Markje on February 20, 2016, 09:59:54 AM

Quote from: yankee on February 19, 2016, 04:44:31 PM
Quote from: Markje on February 19, 2016, 04:06:21 PM
Trump made another boo-boo.

He asks to boycott Apple for standing up to citizens rights to privacy.

And then he uses an iPhone for his twitter feed. Right.

I wouldn't want to vote for someone who wants to kill my own rights.

Did you vote for Bush jr?
Nope, but the alternative was equally bad. I still don't get why you get only 2 choices over there.

From what I have seen, i sincerely hope some other republican wins and not Trump nor Clinton.

I would never vote for a Clinton or a Bush. Sanders is far to left. not an easy choice so far.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 20, 2016, 10:23:49 AM

The Fox News love affair with Trump is over and they now have Clinton up by five points over Trump in their latest poll.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 20, 2016, 11:38:19 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 20, 2016, 10:10:10 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 10:36:17 PM
Is it not true...

It's true that fifteen of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. This does not necessarily mean that they were working for the Saudi government, however. If they had been, it wouldn't have been necessary for al Qaeda to train in shithole Afghanistan. As you might recall, we supported the Mujahideen, under Operation Cyclone, prior to and during the Afghan/Russian War; they were in Afghanistan at our behest. The operation started in the Carter administration and was greatly expanded under your hero, Ronald Reagan.

The jackass doesn't know jack about al Qaeda, however; he is just trying to get his moronic supporters worked up... and it's working. The trouble is, just like the other jackass, GWB, he pointed his finger at the wrong country.

Nobody knows jack about 9/11 except the congressman who read the 28 pages of the 9/11 report that the government won't release. These are the 28 pages Trump wants released.

"Speaking at a press conference regarding the missing pages in 2014, Rep. Thomas Massie lobbied for the release of the documents stating he read them and that they challenged him to reconsider everything he knew about the event.

“As I read it — we all had our own experience — I had to stop every couple pages and just sort of absorb and try to rearrange my understanding of history for the past 13 years and years leading up to that. It challenges you to rethink everything,” Massie said."

Could this rethink of history be an embarrassment to the Bush family and the Republican party Tom? Why shouldn't the American people be allowed to know?? Why on God's green earth would you and Shakespear be against the release of these 28 pages? I realize you two hate Trump with your name calling "ass clown" "jackass" but shouldn't that hate be put down and get behind the release of this information? Or you just going resort to name calling again and call me a "conspiracy theorist"?

Honestly I just don't get it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: treadmilldude on February 20, 2016, 01:10:40 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 20, 2016, 12:14:52 AM
BritONS also have the right to decide to whom it grants entry and are rightfully mindful of excluding folks on their religious beliefs , alone... Was your point meant to 'support' the right of BritONS to exclude folk who preach ignorance of religion ? My 'feelings' aren't 'hurt' ....I'd be just as vocal if someone tried to block other religions.

It would seem to me that that Britain's interests (or the collective interest of individual BritONS) would best be served by solving ACTUAL problems that are ACTUALLY going in inside Britain, such as the ongoing Muzzy problem, and their penchant for (a) benefits, (b) child sexual abuse, and (c) violence.

And it is of little comfort that "not all Muslims are bad". Plenty enough of them are, and that group of god-botherers seems particularly inclined to set loose violent wackos on the world.

Of course, far better to engage in pointless "moral signaling" lest the extra-sensitive, carefully constructed widdle feewings of the Religion of Special Needs be hurt.

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM
Don't do anything about things like Rotherham, and don't *dare* offend the Muzzies....argue about banning Trump for speaking his mind?

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
Due to some bizarre reason, I have to create a UK ip address to post - as if I post from my true location - I am a 'guest' and banned ..I cannot effectually use the search facility - slowwwwwwwwwwww . I accept that my comment about Manny was incorrect.

You are welcome to confirm at such time as the search function is more amenable for you. /shrug

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
If you care to check back, I accept that in the case of Rotherham [ and Oxford, Derby, Bristol ] authorities were reluctant to dig too deep because of the 'racist' accusations - but to pretend those benefiting were just men of Pakistani Asian origin is somewhat disingenuous

They were not just 'reluctant'; they were complicit.

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
There are plenty of scandals involving the R.Catholic Church in Britain and Ireland and other trusted carers who have ruined kids lives who are 'Anglo-Saxons or Celts' ... let's be realistic....

I have no love for the Vatican Pedos, either, but riddle me this: how EXACTLY does the existence of RC pedos IN ANY WAY AMELIORATE the crimes of Muslim pedos?

It doesn't. It just an excuse for libs to feel "not racist". Full Stop.

I'm sure it was a big comfort to the child victims of Rotherham and other places that "Oh, but RC priests can be pedos, too!". (:)

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
Trump crossed the rubicon..

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 11:37:52 PM
I had heard... but we are discussing - in this moment - the possibility - now remote - probably on economic grounds - that someone promoting ignorance re religion - should be excluded from visiting ..BRITAIN

Religion IS ignorance. The problem is that some religions are worse and more virulent than others, and at this time and place, it's Islam that presents itself as the foremost enemy of enlightened, free, Western civilization.

So I dare say that we are better than they, because WE ARE better than they.

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM
B.B.. I'm trying to explain to you that Whitehall houses the civil servants who impose HM govts. will ... I think you might mean Westminster.

Whichever.

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM
I simply do not know enough about the characters / policies to comment - I only entered this thread - because Trump's comments - to me - seemed to me- to be polarising, promoting hatred through ignorance..

It seems that the folks doing most of the polarizing/hating/etc. play for the other team. Y'know. The folks who post Death-Porn videos of themselves slicing off the heads of bound and helpless human beings, burning other people to death, etc.

B/B

BB, if I was just wondering through this board, and had to venture at your true identity..I might say your name is Sam Harris. :)

As a Christian, naturally I do not agree with everything Sam espouses. But I have really enjoyed spending quite a few hours on youtube, listening to Sam masterfully break down the world's "Muslim problem". Sam Harris is about as spot-on correct in his views of Islam as you can get, he truly has Islam figured out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: treadmilldude on February 20, 2016, 01:22:51 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 20, 2016, 05:56:04 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM

It would seem to me that that Britain's interests (or the collective interest of individual BritONS) would best be served by solving ACTUAL problems that are ACTUALLY going in inside Britain, such as the ongoing Muzzy problem, and their penchant for (a) benefits, (b) child sexual abuse, and (c) violence.

Well, BB... You will be the 'darling' of my fellow [unthinking] Brits - but over one in 10 adults signed the petition to ask the govt to keep 'Wazzocks' like Trump out - in order to remind him and set an example .. that whilst this is a maj. 'Christian'nation - thanks Mr Cameron for- finally - coming out and saying it.. Most 'normal' people know the vast maj. of Muslims are not rapists, 'terrorists', etc.,

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
And it is of little comfort that "not all Muslims are bad". Plenty enough of them are, and that group of god-botherers seems particularly inclined to set loose violent wackos on the world.

As I KEEP reminding folks here - most of the intelligence that prevents terrorist acts comes from the Muslim community...'great idea' to isolate them - because of a few bad apples... You see, B.B, I have experience of terrorism..the British govt. thought it would be a 'good' idea to lock up potential terrorists and lost the support of many Roman Catholics in N.Ireland who were not in favour of violence.

Sure, there's plenty of other things to worry about - but Trump's speech did cross a line across the Political spectrum in the UK - clearly - for many people. It wasn't 'helpful' and may have been for the 'redneck' vote in the USA.

There is some irony in being told Britons have plenty to worry about from a national of an nation with a murder rate somewhat greater than ours...

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
Of course, far better to engage in pointless "moral signaling" lest the extra-sensitive, carefully constructed widdle feewings of the Religion of Special Needs be hurt.

Your 'spin' on the emotion felt - from my point of view it was anger - anger that a man who Americans could put in the Whitehouse could be such an imbecile. In case there's any doubt - I signed the petition.

Quote from: B.B. on January 19, 2016, 07:55:26 PM
Don't do anything about things like Rotherham, and don't *dare* offend the Muzzies....argue about banning Trump for speaking his mind?

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
Due to some bizarre reason, I have to create a UK ip address to post - as if I post from my true location - I am a 'guest' and banned ..I cannot effectually use the search facility - slowwwwwwwwwwww . I accept that my comment about Manny was incorrect.

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
You are welcome to confirm at such time as the search function is more amenable for you. /shrug

'Thanks', as this place is booked for three months - be patient - or perhaps Manny can unblock the Thai IP addresses he will see in the logs...

However, I did point out the , Muslims haven't been over-emphasis on these horrible crimes being committed by Pakistani origin males and the participation of Anglo -Saxons, and the previous scandals of Churches and Childrens' Homes, once again... If you respond on this - you will be the first .... to get some perspective that proportionally any more predatory.

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
If you care to check back, I accept that in the case of Rotherham [ and Oxford, Derby, Bristol ] authorities were reluctant to dig too deep because of the 'racist' accusations - but to pretend those benefiting were just men of Pakistani Asian origin is somewhat disingenuous

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
They were not just 'reluctant'; they were complicit.

I guess you could say that those who were reluctant to investigate - lest being accused of racism were 'complicit' - but unless they took advantage of the victims, I'd say they were criminally negligent..

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
There are plenty of scandals involving the R.Catholic Church in Britain and Ireland and other trusted carers who have ruined kids lives who are 'Anglo-Saxons or Celts' ... let's be realistic....

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
I have no love for the Vatican Pedos, either, but riddle me this: how EXACTLY does the existence of RC pedos IN ANY WAY AMELIORATE the crimes of Muslim pedos?

As, you WELL know it doesn't .. but has America, UK and other places where institutions have 'turned a blind eye' to sex crimes in Children's' Homes talked of banning R.Catholics ?

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
I'm sure it was a big comfort to the child victims of Rotherham and other places that "Oh, but RC priests can be pedos, too!". (:)

Nought but as BS deflection, from the point - once more - that 'punishing' a whole religion based on some bad apples - esp. when there have been many more cases of 'Christians' abusing kids ....

Quote from: msmoby on January 19, 2016, 08:11:45 PM
but we are discussing - in this moment - the possibility - now remote - probably on economic grounds - that someone promoting ignorance re religion - should be excluded from visiting ..BRITAIN

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
Religion IS ignorance. The problem is that some religions are worse and more virulent than others, and at this time and place, it's Islam that presents itself as the foremost enemy of enlightened, free, Western civilization.

THAT was an example of ignorance. 'thanks' .. I think the biggest danger to the free world is any nation's leaders that feels they can grab parts of it's neighbours or hand out passports to citizens of nations of other nations it is occupying / acting as 'peace keeper' ...

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
So I dare say that we are better than they, because WE ARE better than they.

'Better', in that you can kill more of them - than we do them ... 'coz 'we' do .... :coffeeread:

Quote from: moby
I simply do not know enough about the characters / policies to comment - I only entered this thread - because Trump's comments - to me - seemed to me- to be polarising, promoting hatred through ignorance..

Quote from: B.B. on January 20, 2016, 12:31:37 PM
It seems that the folks doing most of the polarizing/hating/etc. play for the other team. Y'know. The folks who post Death-Porn videos of themselves slicing off the heads of bound and helpless human beings, burning other people to death, etc.

Yes.. and at least two of them have been Brits - who are succeeding in their aim to polarise communities - you are a 'victim' ... why should the vast maj of folks pay a heavy price for the actions of societies 'losers' who find some pleasure in the 'cause' which bears little - if any - to the religion they claim to represent ?

And most "Normal" people are also well aware that the "Good Muslims", for whatever reason (fear, or the fact that, while publicly these so called "good Muslims" say they do not support Islamic violence, when in reality, and behind closed doors, many of these quote unquote "Good Muslims" are actually giving each other high fives whenever there is a world event where Jihadists slaughter a huge number of innocent "infidels") choose to, in large part, remain completely apathetic as to the problems inherent in their religion. That is a really big problem I have with the so-called "Good Muslims" in this world....apathy towards the evils of their religion.

MsMosby, please try to be more aware of what is actually going on within the world's Islamic community. It's not as rosy as you might think, and Trump is not as far from the truth as you might think, either.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 02:28:24 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 20, 2016, 11:38:19 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 20, 2016, 10:10:10 AM
Quote from: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 10:36:17 PM
Is it not true...

It's true that fifteen of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. This does not necessarily mean that they were working for the Saudi government, however. If they had been, it wouldn't have been necessary for al Qaeda to train in shithole Afghanistan. As you might recall, we supported the Mujahideen, under Operation Cyclone, prior to and during the Afghan/Russian War; they were in Afghanistan at our behest. The operation started in the Carter administration and was greatly expanded under your hero, Ronald Reagan.

The jackass doesn't know jack about al Qaeda, however; he is just trying to get his moronic supporters worked up... and it's working. The trouble is, just like the other jackass, GWB, he pointed his finger at the wrong country.

Nobody knows jack about 9/11 except the congressman who read the 28 pages of the 9/11 report that the government won't release. These are the 28 pages Trump wants released.

"Speaking at a press conference regarding the missing pages in 2014, Rep. Thomas Massie lobbied for the release of the documents stating he read them and that they challenged him to reconsider everything he knew about the event.

“As I read it — we all had our own experience — I had to stop every couple pages and just sort of absorb and try to rearrange my understanding of history for the past 13 years and years leading up to that. It challenges you to rethink everything,” Massie said."

Could this rethink of history be an embarrassment to the Bush family and the Republican party Tom? Why shouldn't the American people be allowed to know?? Why on God's green earth would you and Shakespear be against the release of these 28 pages? I realize you two hate Trump with your name calling "ass clown" "jackass" but shouldn't that hate be put down and get behind the release of this information? Or you just going resort to name calling again and call me a "conspiracy theorist"?

Honestly I just don't get it.

+1000%!

Furthermore it's very interesting to me, that a very intelligent guy who is a Liberal, and an intelligent guy who is a Conservative, unknowingly, like Congress, collude to call Trump a "jackass" or an "ass clown" and anyone who wants to know what really happened, a devotee of a Jackass or an Ass clown.

It's almost as if -- these two guys -- Shakespear and Tom -- have been so thoroughly brain-washed and conditioned to their respective sides (left wing and right wing) that they don't even realize that the powers that be (MIC, MSM, etc) have caused them to unknowingly cancel each other out.

Meanwhile we still don't know what all that report said, nor do we know who killed JFK (LBJ is the clear choice), nor do we know so many other things.
Might as well just drink the Kool-Aid.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 02:38:44 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 20, 2016, 10:23:49 AM

The Fox News love affair with Trump is over and they now have Clinton up by five points over Trump in their latest poll.

I suggest you wait until late this evening before making any more bone-headed pronouncements.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 20, 2016, 06:18:49 PM

Looks like Trump has won SC. The fight is one for 2nd and 3rd place. Hillary won Nevada.

Trump 2016.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/live-blog-south-carolina-gop-primary-and-nevada-211903661.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 06:27:37 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 20, 2016, 06:18:49 PM

Looks like Trump has won SC. The fight is one for 2nd and 3rd place. Hillary won Nevada.

Trump 2016.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/live-blog-south-carolina-gop-primary-and-nevada-211903661.html

I actually think Rubio is in it for the long haul, and due to his favored status with the elites, he is who they want to get the nomination. Trump seems so volatile at times that I expect some sort of weird melt-down.

Brokered convention?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 20, 2016, 06:35:50 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 06:27:37 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 20, 2016, 06:18:49 PM
Looks like Trump has won SC. The fight is one for 2nd and 3rd place. Hillary won Nevada.

Trump 2016.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/live-blog-south-carolina-gop-primary-and-nevada-211903661.html

I actually think Rubio is in it for the long haul, and due to his favored status with the elites, he is who they want to get the nomination. Trump seems so volatile at times that I expect some sort of weird melt-down.

Brokered convention?

I think Super Tuesday will be a turning point and if not by the end of March it should be done to 2 or 3 contenders. I doubt it will come down to the convention.

If Trump has a melt down IMO it will happen before the convention. However, much of Trump's outbursts could simply be theatrics he is a showman and negotiator.

Edit:

Here are the results for SC. Trump won by more than 10%. It wasn't even close despite polls that said Rubio was closing in.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=South+Carolina+GOP+primary&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=SxXJVuzEBsLdjAOD-rGgDw#eob=m.06yxd/R/2/short/m.06yxd/&gws_rd=cr

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 06:46:52 PM

Jeb Bush just gave a beautiful speech and called it quits. Look for the establishment to close ranks behind Rubio.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 06:52:09 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 20, 2016, 06:35:50 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: WestCoast on February 20, 2016, 06:18:49 PM
Looks like Trump has won SC. The fight is one for 2nd and 3rd place. Hillary won Nevada.

Trump 2016.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/live-blog-south-carolina-gop-primary-and-nevada-211903661.html

I actually think Rubio is in it for the long haul, and due to his favored status with the elites, he is who they want to get the nomination. Trump seems so volatile at times that I expect some sort of weird melt-down.

Brokered convention?

I think Super Tuesday will be a turning point and if not by the end of March it should be done to 2 or 3 contenders. I doubt it will come down to the convention.

If Trump has a melt down IMO it will happen before the convention. However, much of Trump's outbursts could simply be theatrics he is a showman and negotiator.

Edit:

Here are the results for SC. Trump won by more than 10%. It wasn't even close despite polls that said Rubio was closing in.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=South+Carolina+GOP+primary&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=SxXJVuzEBsLdjAOD-rGgDw#eob=m.06yxd/R/2/short/m.06yxd/&gws_rd=cr

According to Karl Rove Trump still only has 34% overall. Trump needs to quickly become far more diplomatic and respectful towards the establishment if he really wants to win it all. He cannot win and he will not win if he does not heal the rift and bring the party together.

Can you really imagine those who supported Jeb Bush throwing support behind Trump? Not going to happen as it is right now. More than likely Rubio is going to surge. Will he surge enough to catch the Donald? :popcorn:

PS....Melania was smiling a big huge pearly whites smile!!! It's all over!!!
PPS I'm only playing the devils advocate here. Want to send my $$ right now Shakey?? :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 20, 2016, 07:08:42 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 06:52:09 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 20, 2016, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: WestCoast on February 20, 2016, 06:18:49 PM
Looks like Trump has won SC. The fight is one for 2nd and 3rd place. Hillary won Nevada.

Trump 2016.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/live-blog-south-carolina-gop-primary-and-nevada-211903661.html

I actually think Rubio is in it for the long haul, and due to his favored status with the elites, he is who they want to get the nomination. Trump seems so volatile at times that I expect some sort of weird melt-down.

Brokered convention?

I think Super Tuesday will be a turning point and if not by the end of March it should be done to 2 or 3 contenders. I doubt it will come down to the convention.

If Trump has a melt down IMO it will happen before the convention. However, much of Trump's outbursts could simply be theatrics he is a showman and negotiator.

Edit:

Here are the results for SC. Trump won by more than 10%. It wasn't even close despite polls that said Rubio was closing in.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=South+Carolina+GOP+primary&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=SxXJVuzEBsLdjAOD-rGgDw#eob=m.06yxd/R/2/short/m.06yxd/&gws_rd=cr

According to Karl Rove Trump still only has 34% overall. Trump needs to quickly become far more diplomatic and respectful towards the establishment if he really wants to win it all. He cannot win and he will not win if he does not heal the rift and bring the party together.

Can you really imagine those who supported Jeb Bush throwing support behind Trump? Not going to happen as it is right now. More than likely Rubio is going to surge. Will he surge enough to catch the Donald? :popcorn:

I can't understand how Rove is still in politics? Remember how badly he did in 2012 with his hand picked candidates? Why do the GOP money men still trust Rove?

He's on Fox and a few other networks giving his opinions yet in 2012 he had to be shown how Romney had lost Ohio and even then he didn't seem to believe the Fox analysts who were keeping score.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 07:12:10 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 20, 2016, 07:08:42 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 06:52:09 PM
Quote from: WestCoast on February 20, 2016, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 06:27:37 PM
Quote from: WestCoast on February 20, 2016, 06:18:49 PM
Looks like Trump has won SC. The fight is one for 2nd and 3rd place. Hillary won Nevada.

Trump 2016.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/live-blog-south-carolina-gop-primary-and-nevada-211903661.html

I actually think Rubio is in it for the long haul, and due to his favored status with the elites, he is who they want to get the nomination. Trump seems so volatile at times that I expect some sort of weird melt-down.

Brokered convention?

I think Super Tuesday will be a turning point and if not by the end of March it should be done to 2 or 3 contenders. I doubt it will come down to the convention.

If Trump has a melt down IMO it will happen before the convention. However, much of Trump's outbursts could simply be theatrics he is a showman and negotiator.

Edit:

Here are the results for SC. Trump won by more than 10%. It wasn't even close despite polls that said Rubio was closing in.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=South+Carolina+GOP+primary&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=SxXJVuzEBsLdjAOD-rGgDw#eob=m.06yxd/R/2/short/m.06yxd/&gws_rd=cr

According to Karl Rove Trump still only has 34% overall. Trump needs to quickly become far more diplomatic and respectful towards the establishment if he really wants to win it all. He cannot win and he will not win if he does not heal the rift and bring the party together.

Can you really imagine those who supported Jeb Bush throwing support behind Trump? Not going to happen as it is right now. More than likely Rubio is going to surge. Will he surge enough to catch the Donald? :popcorn:

I can't understand how Rove is still in politics? Remember how badly he did in 2012 with his hand picked candidates? Why do the GOP money men still trust Rove?

He's on Fox and a few other networks giving his opinions yet in 2012 he had to be shown how Romney had lost Ohio and even then he didn't seem to believe the Fox analysts who were keeping score.

Rove is a has been... just like the Bush family. Read my PS and my PPS...l was only being a bit negative -- for Shakespear. It's all over baby.

Trump 2016. Blitzkrieg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 07:22:27 PM

Hey TomT, why would such a beautiful tall elegant intelligent lady such as Melania Trump want to marry and be with a "mentally ill" man? Makes me really wonder about you.

Trump victory speech -- February 20, 2016.

http://www.youtube.com/v/1_mINPLwwLw

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 08:09:53 PM

Quote from: yankee on February 20, 2016, 10:12:06 AM

Quote from: Markje on February 20, 2016, 09:59:54 AM
Quote from: yankee on February 19, 2016, 04:44:31 PM
Quote from: Markje on February 19, 2016, 04:06:21 PM
Trump made another boo-boo.

He asks to boycott Apple for standing up to citizens rights to privacy.

And then he uses an iPhone for his twitter feed. Right.

I wouldn't want to vote for someone who wants to kill my own rights.

Did you vote for Bush jr?
Nope, but the alternative was equally bad. I still don't get why you get only 2 choices over there.

From what I have seen, i sincerely hope some other republican wins and not Trump nor Clinton.

I would never vote for a Clinton or a Bush. Sanders is far to left. not an easy choice so far.

Keep looking. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 08:53:35 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 20, 2016, 10:10:10 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 19, 2016, 10:36:17 PM
Is it not true...

It's true that fifteen of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. This does not necessarily mean that they were working for the Saudi government, however. If they had been, it wouldn't have been necessary for al Qaeda to train in shithole Afghanistan. As you might recall, we supported the Mujahideen, under Operation Cyclone, prior to and during the Afghan/Russian War; they were in Afghanistan at our behest. The operation started in the Carter administration and was greatly expanded under your hero, Ronald Reagan.

The jackass doesn't know jack about al Qaeda, however; he is just trying to get his moronic supporters worked up... and it's working. The trouble is, just like the other jackass, GWB, he pointed his finger at the wrong country.

Would the right country be Kosovo? You know, the country which Bill Clinton created, after destroying the Serbs and in the process creating Kosovo, which at that time became the best training ground for Muslim extremists? I'd like to know which one of your hero's did something 100% correctly.

What Donald J. Trump does know is that he's NOT an expert at everything, however he is very good at finding them and getting stuff done. I suggest you read the chapter in the Art of the Deal where he buys an ice skating rink from the city of New York. He then uses common sense, realizes that Canadians might know something about that, hires the best ice skating rink firm out of Canada, and in a few months does what the city of New York could not do in 7 friggen years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 20, 2016, 09:20:25 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 02:28:24 PM

Furthermore it's very interesting to me, that a very intelligent guy who is a Liberal, and an intelligent guy who is a Conservative, unknowingly, like Congress, collude to call Trump a "jackass" or an "ass clown" ...

Collusion is not unknowing; it's a secret agreement with ill intent. Pick a different word.

The al Qaeda situation is actually very simple: we trained them, we armed them, we financed them and we gave them them visas to come to the U.S. Do you disagree with any of these points?

I agree that Trump isn't an expert at everything. For example, his famous answer to the nuclear triad question was truly special. If he was just another drunk in a bar, his ignorance would be acceptable. A candidate for president should be more knowledgeable than the average drunk, however; not equally ignorant.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 09:42:38 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 20, 2016, 09:20:25 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 02:28:24 PM
Furthermore it's very interesting to me, that a very intelligent guy who is a Liberal, and an intelligent guy who is a Conservative, unknowingly, like Congress, collude to call Trump a "jackass" or an "ass clown" ...

Collusion is not unknowing; it's a secret agreement with ill intent. Pick a different word.

The al Qaeda situation is actually very simple: we trained them, we armed them, we financed them and we gave them them visas to come to the U.S. Do you disagree with any of these points?

Collusion will do just fine. If you prefer a different word you can pick it. You don't know that you have secretly colluded with Shakespear and other "conservatives" to do ill, because you're oblivious that you are antagonistic towards somebody who might actually get to the bottom of what the 9/11 reports say. You just despise Trump and unload on him and his followers with labels -- instead of considering that he might be intelligent enough to learn what really happened and do something to stop it from happening in the future.

You clearly think that Trump is immoral, because you never really listen to what he's actually talking about nor do you believe in divine providence.

You are claiming that GWB brought al Qaeda to the USA? To do what? To attack the World Trade Center and create the pretext for the war in Iraq?

Or are you referring to when Reagan brought those nuts to the White House? Clarify.

Trump is more likely to understand that every time we try to do these stunts (Charlie Wilsons war, etc.) it creates even more problems in the future. He's already said that he was against the Iraqi war. He's said he wants stability. That means no more regime changes. Don't you get it? HRC will start WWIII against the Russians.

Marco Rubio might do it also. Only Trump has said he would get along with Putin and Russia -- key to peace right now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 09:47:07 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 20, 2016, 09:20:25 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 02:28:24 PM
Furthermore it's very interesting to me, that a very intelligent guy who is a Liberal, and an intelligent guy who is a Conservative, unknowingly, like Congress, collude to call Trump a "jackass" or an "ass clown" ...
I agree that Trump isn't an expert at everything. For example, his famous answer to the nuclear triad question was truly special. If he was just another drunk in a bar, his ignorance would be acceptable. A candidate for president should be more knowledgeable than the average drunk, however; not equally ignorant.

Give him time. He will either get up to speed very soon or fade away. In just 7 months he's learned how to work the political system. Clearly his wife is a very calming effect on him and I believe he really does listen to her and respect her. Absolutely he needs some foreign affairs knowledge. He went from one thing to something entirely different pretty quickly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 20, 2016, 10:11:12 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 09:42:38 PM

You are claiming that GWB brought al Qaeda to the USA? To do what? To attack the World Trade Center and create the pretext for the war in Iraq?

Read this and draw your own conclusions:

http://visasforterrorists.blogspot.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 20, 2016, 10:40:20 PM

Interesting SC Exit Poll Analysis:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-sout...d=37077219

A nearly unanimous 92 percent of Trump’s supporters are looking for an outsider, 89 percent support banning Muslims and 81 percent are looking chiefly for a candidate either who “will bring needed change” or “tells it like it is.”

Iowa NH and SC comparisons:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/south-car...d=37066441

Glad Trump and Rubio beat Cruz in a majority evangelical state - Trump even got more of the evangelical vote than Cruz according to the exit polls above...

Final Results:

trump
32.5%
rubio
22.5%
cruz
22.3%
est % in: 99%
updated 11:57 pm et, feb. 20, 2016

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 10:43:59 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 20, 2016, 10:11:12 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 09:42:38 PM
You are claiming that GWB brought al Qaeda to the USA? To do what? To attack the World Trade Center and create the pretext for the war in Iraq?

Read this and draw your own conclusions:

http://visasforterrorists.blogspot.com/

Mostly a very good read but the man shows his own flaws, and BTW he refers to Ukraine as "the" Ukraine. You would think that by now he would know the proper name of it. :laugh:

His liberal "feel good" desire to not tell the truth about radical Islam comes out very clear. Then there is this little nugget. You think maybe FDR wanted war with Japan because they actually really were quite evil? Ask B/B about that one. And war with Germany? IDK what to say about that...Nazi's and all. Perhaps we should have let the Nazi's beat the FSU, so that we would not have to give visas to terrorists to kill the Soviets in Afghanistan? :chuckle:

quote --

"The ‘new’ Pearl Harbor is not unlike the old one, and is not that far from the Rio Grande Incident. President Franklin Roosevelt, the ‘peace candidate’ wanted war with Germany. To get it, he antagonized Japan, a German ally, provoking it with trade embargoes, covert actions in China, and public hectoring. Staking out the Pacific fleet “like a goat” at what was then a forward base, he concealed knowledge of Japanese intentions and naval movements from its commanders. The result was not unlike President James Knox Polk’s successful placing of US troops in the disputed, demilitarized territory between the Rio Grande and the Nueces rivers in the 1840s. After the Mexicans attacked in self-defense, the subsequent war cost them one-half of their country."

end quote --

In regards to the CIA creating and funding al Qaeda to do in the Soviets in Afghanistan -- well I really have no argument with that one. I also however believe that perhaps the Soviets bit off more than they could chew, no? IOW why were they exporting their own version of Communism into Afghanistan?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 10:55:52 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on February 20, 2016, 10:40:20 PM

Interesting SC Exit Poll Analysis:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-sout...d=37077219

A nearly unanimous 92 percent of Trump’s supporters are looking for an outsider, 89 percent support banning Muslims and 81 percent are looking chiefly for a candidate either who “will bring needed change” or “tells it like it is.”

Iowa NH and SC comparisons:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/south-car...d=37066441

Glad Trump and Rubio beat Cruz in a majority evangelical state - Trump even got more of the evangelical vote than Cruz according to the exit polls above...

Final Results:

trump
32.5%
rubio
22.5%
cruz
22.3%
est % in: 99%
updated 11:57 pm et, feb. 20, 2016

As B/B pointed out the Pope criticizing Trump while in Mexico...oh boy, was that ever a "get out the vote for Trump" moment in South Carolina, a deeply Protestant and Evangelical state. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 11:02:32 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 20, 2016, 10:11:12 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 09:42:38 PM
You are claiming that GWB brought al Qaeda to the USA? To do what? To attack the World Trade Center and create the pretext for the war in Iraq?

Read this and draw your own conclusions:

http://visasforterrorists.blogspot.com/

BTW the reign of the Bush's is over. George Bush Sr. should be in prison for his role in the murder of JFK, if my hunch about that is correct....Bush Jr.? Definitely a Neo-CON.

You do realize that the reason Trump softened his criticism of GWB is because he understands that they could have him killed? Think about it. The guy you call a jackass just might be somewhat similar to you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 20, 2016, 11:02:52 PM

With Bush gone what's going to happen to his supporters? One might think that Rubio would scoop up the majority? One would be wrong. At 23% most of Bush's supporters are undecided. Rubio picks up 19%, Kasich at 16%, then Cruz at 12% and Trump at 11%.

Considering all the jabs Trump took at Bush it's surprising to see 11% of Bush supporters willing to support Trump. Trump appears to be becoming more of a relevant choice for supporters whose preferred candidate has dropped out.

(http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/bushsecondchoice.png)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeb-bush-supporters-second-choice_us_56c9209be4b041136f174a8b?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 21, 2016, 03:04:31 AM

It seems to me that certain diehards need to start thinking about how to deal with Trump. It isn't enough to stick one's fingers in one's ears and keep saying 'he won't win, he can't win'. Right now Mr Trump is the clear leader in the contest for the Republican nomination and the party's own rules, set up to give more power to the 'establishment' will actually work against them now.

Here's a thing that's important: Trump is not running as an 'expert' on anything to do with policy. He is running as an expert on management and decision making. Going on about perceived lack of knowledge is irrelevant in that context. Apart from anything else it relies upon the fiction that other candidates are anything other than well briefed mouthpieces repeating messages that have been tested as resonating with elector's fears. That is not expertise.

The kinds of things that Trump is talking about actually address the fears of the electorate on a visceral and more honest way than is common. For example, hos idea about a boycott of Apple products - I believe him when he says he just thought of it, it makes sense and thus it makes sense that it came out on a Twitter feed from an iPhone, the phone that he was using. The more 'usual' (and much less honest) approach would have been to test the idea with focus groups and then turn off the 'sent from an iPhone' sig line whilst still sending the Tweet from the same iPhone.

My guess is that this kind of 'slip up' actually enhances his standing because it is real, or gives that impression, honest, or gives that impression and in tune with the feelings of millions of people. Ask this of yourself - how many people do you think agree that Apple should give access to the data on the dead person's iPhone? I reckon that a majority of people agree with Apple helping the FBI with no thought of the implications of doing so, of the rights and wrongs of doing so, or even that it is, in truth, a charade designed to give the FBI and/or NSA a legal fig leaf to cover what they are already doing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 21, 2016, 07:40:57 AM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/drudge%20poll_zpssmh44tow.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on February 21, 2016, 07:42:23 AM

For the life of me, I do not understand why people like the child idiot that has done nothing. What is it that people see in Rubio?????????????????????/////

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 21, 2016, 07:51:43 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 21, 2016, 03:04:31 AM

The kinds of things that Trump is talking about actually address the fears of the electorate on a visceral and more honest way than is common. For example, hos idea about a boycott of Apple products - I believe him when he says he just thought of it, it makes sense and thus it makes sense that it came out on a Twitter feed from an iPhone, the phone that he was using. The more 'usual' (and much less honest) approach would have been to test the idea with focus groups and then turn off the 'sent from an iPhone' sig line whilst still sending the Tweet from the same iPhone.

My guess is that this kind of 'slip up' actually enhances his standing because it is real, or gives that impression, honest, or gives that impression and in tune with the feelings of millions of people. Ask this of yourself - how many people do you think agree that Apple should give access to the data on the dead person's iPhone? I reckon that a majority of people agree with Apple helping the FBI with no thought of the implications of doing so, of the rights and wrongs of doing so, or even that it is, in truth, a charade designed to give the FBI and/or NSA a legal fig leaf to cover what they are already doing.

However "shooting from the hip" with ridiculous comments like this might put the stock market into a 1000 point drop. The President of the USA, the most powerful man in the world, must choose his public words carefully. Trump has shown zero inclination to do so.

BTW you're wrong about Apple. The government doesn't want to turn over the phone so the Apple techs can take it to their lab, unlock it and print out all the information contained in its memory and give that back to the government. This Apple would gladly do. What they want is access to Apple phones anywhere and anytime they need it. They want the ability to crash the security on Apple I phone. No putting that back in the box once it is out. Apple is 100% right to refuse to turn this over to the government.

Finally, the "winner take all" primary model was designed to help speed up the nomination process once it was clear a choice had been made. IT WAS NOT INTENDED to allow a candidate who wins an election with 30% of the vote to nullify 70% of the voters in a state primary. I anticipate the Republican National Committee with "correct" this error in the next week or two and require a winner take all to have 50%+ of the votes in the election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 21, 2016, 08:00:31 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 21, 2016, 07:51:43 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 21, 2016, 03:04:31 AM

The kinds of things that Trump is talking about actually address the fears of the electorate on a visceral and more honest way than is common. For example, hos idea about a boycott of Apple products - I believe him when he says he just thought of it, it makes sense and thus it makes sense that it came out on a Twitter feed from an iPhone, the phone that he was using. The more 'usual' (and much less honest) approach would have been to test the idea with focus groups and then turn off the 'sent from an iPhone' sig line whilst still sending the Tweet from the same iPhone.

My guess is that this kind of 'slip up' actually enhances his standing because it is real, or gives that impression, honest, or gives that impression and in tune with the feelings of millions of people. Ask this of yourself - how many people do you think agree that Apple should give access to the data on the dead person's iPhone? I reckon that a majority of people agree with Apple helping the FBI with no thought of the implications of doing so, of the rights and wrongs of doing so, or even that it is, in truth, a charade designed to give the FBI and/or NSA a legal fig leaf to cover what they are already doing.

BTW you're wrong about Apple. The government doesn't want to turn over the phone so the Apple techs can take it to their lab, unlock it and print out all the information contained in its memory and give that back to the government. This Apple would gladly do. What they want is access to Apple phones anywhere and anytime they need it. They want the ability to crash the security on Apple I phone. No putting that back in the box once it is out. Apple is 100% right to refuse to turn this over to the government.

FWIW, 100% agree

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: treadmilldude on February 21, 2016, 08:14:08 AM

Andrew, Apple is perfectly happy to give the Feds all the data on the dead terrorists' iphone - that one phone. But that is not what the FBI wants, however. The FBI is asking Apple for the backdoor in, the tools to be able to permanently break the encryption on every iphone. This is such a conundrum for me. I value privacy. I also want to give the Feds every tool available to stop terrorists from committing violence. I am not sure where I stand on the Apple issue, I go back and forth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 21, 2016, 09:20:48 AM

This is a bit :offtopic: but if the Republicans want to take back the white house, they will most likely encounter voter fraud on a large scale.
The second video in the link shows how Clinton's campaign is stealing the democratic nomination.
Trump might be just outspoken enough to expose Clinton's corruption, and give the Republicans the best chance of winning.

How Hillary Stole Nevada: Voter Fraud Caught on Camera

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/more-dirty-tricks-hillary-nevada/ri12975

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 21, 2016, 09:32:41 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 21, 2016, 09:20:48 AM

This is a bit :offtopic: but if the Republicans want to take back the white house, they will most likely encounter voter fraud on a large scale.
The second video in the link shows how Clinton's campaign is stealing the democratic nomination.
Trump might be just outspoken enough to expose Clinton's corruption, and give the Republicans the best chance of winning.

How Hillary Stole Nevada: Voter Fraud Caught on Camera

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/more-dirty-tricks-hillary-nevada/ri12975

Maybe you should read this TC

http://viableopposition.blogspot.ru/2016/01/the-sabans-and-clintons-political.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on February 21, 2016, 09:34:23 AM

Quote from: treadmilldude on February 21, 2016, 08:14:08 AM

Andrew, Apple is perfectly happy to give the Feds all the data on the dead terrorists' iphone - that one phone. But that is not what the FBI wants, however. The FBI is asking Apple for the backdoor in, the tools to be able to permanently break the encryption on every iphone. This is such a conundrum for me. I value privacy. I also want to give the Feds every tool available to stop terrorists from committing violence. I am not sure where I stand on the Apple issue, I go back and forth.

Yes I know of what you are talking about. Here is the problem and why Apple s not so interested in helping in one case or in any case. Apple has the only safe phone if you are a criminal. So there are very many criminals types in America who buy tens of thousands of phones. Everything from pimps, weapons sales, drugs dealers, insurance frauds, and the list goes on would like to have a phone that is secure from the police of all types. What people here do not get it here when they write about the Poor in America how many of those same people are involved in some type of illegal activity at some level and actually earn far more money that the government knows about. Apple does not want to lose these sales. It is a very lot of phones.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 21, 2016, 09:37:19 AM

Quote from: treadmilldude on February 21, 2016, 08:14:08 AM

Andrew, Apple is perfectly happy to give the Feds all the data on the dead terrorists' iphone - that one phone. But that is not what the FBI wants, however. The FBI is asking Apple for the backdoor in, the tools to be able to permanently break the encryption on every iphone. This is such a conundrum for me. I value privacy. I also want to give the Feds every tool available to stop terrorists from committing violence. I am not sure where I stand on the Apple issue, I go back and forth.

This is what I heard from a mate...

The plot thickens: it turns out the iPhone in question isn't the shooter's own; it's his work phone. He destroyed his own and his wife's phones.

But if it's his work phone, wouldn't his employer (San Bernardino County Department of Public Health) have control of it? Why yes, they would. But the FBI, having got the phone, asked the employer to reset the passcode on it.

And that's why they can no longer get his data off it: setting the new passcode uncoupled it from the guy's iCloud account.

It appears the FBI asked the employer to reset the passcode before seeking Apple's advice. They also didn't tell Apple they'd done this. So Apple told them to let it connect to the wifi at his place of work to create an iCloud backup as described above, and the FBI tried it, and told Apple it didn't work; and Apple said "WTF? Not sure why that wouldn't work" and then the FBI were like "Oh, BTW we reset the passcode before we ever asked you for help, but that shouldn't matter, right?" and Apple were like "For feck's sake........."

So, basically, Apple had already done all it could to help the FBI, including explaining exactly what needed to be done next. But before Apple had the chance to do that someone at the FBI thought they knew better, and instead ****ed it up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 21, 2016, 09:41:27 AM

Quote from: Ste on February 21, 2016, 09:37:19 AM

Quote from: treadmilldude on February 21, 2016, 08:14:08 AM
Andrew, Apple is perfectly happy to give the Feds all the data on the dead terrorists' iphone - that one phone. But that is not what the FBI wants, however. The FBI is asking Apple for the backdoor in, the tools to be able to permanently break the encryption on every iphone. This is such a conundrum for me. I value privacy. I also want to give the Feds every tool available to stop terrorists from committing violence. I am not sure where I stand on the Apple issue, I go back and forth.

This is what I heard from a mate...

The plot thickens: it turns out the iPhone in question isn't the shooter's own; it's his work phone. He destroyed his own and his wife's phones.

But if it's his work phone, wouldn't his employer (San Bernardino County Department of Public Health) have control of it? Why yes, they would. But the FBI, having got the phone, asked the employer to reset the passcode on it.

And that's why they can no longer get his data off it: setting the new passcode uncoupled it from the guy's iCloud account.

It appears the FBI asked the employer to reset the passcode before seeking Apple's advice. They also didn't tell Apple they'd done this. So Apple told them to let it connect to the wifi at his place of work to create an iCloud backup as described above, and the FBI tried it, and told Apple it didn't work; and Apple said "WTF? Not sure why that wouldn't work" and then the FBI were like "Oh, BTW we reset the passcode before we ever asked you for help, but that shouldn't matter, right?" and Apple were like "For feck's sake........."

So, basically, Apple had already done all it could to help the FBI, including explaining exactly what needed to be done next. But before Apple had the chance to do that someone at the FBI thought they knew better, and instead ****ed it up.

Federal
Bureau
of
Idiots.

;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on February 21, 2016, 09:41:51 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on February 21, 2016, 09:34:23 AM

Quote from: treadmilldude on February 21, 2016, 08:14:08 AM
Andrew, Apple is perfectly happy to give the Feds all the data on the dead terrorists' iphone - that one phone. But that is not what the FBI wants, however. The FBI is asking Apple for the backdoor in, the tools to be able to permanently break the encryption on every iphone. This is such a conundrum for me. I value privacy. I also want to give the Feds every tool available to stop terrorists from committing violence. I am not sure where I stand on the Apple issue, I go back and forth.

Yes I know of what you are talking about. Here is the problem and why Apple s not so interested in helping in one case or in any case. Apple has the only safe phone if you are a criminal. So there are very many criminals types in America who buy tens of thousands of phones. Everything from pimps, weapons sales, drugs dealers, insurance frauds, and the list goes on would like to have a phone that is secure from the police of all types. What people here do not get it here when the write about the Poor in America how many of those same people are involved in some type of illegal activity at some level and actually earn far more money that the government knows about. Apple does not want to lose these sales. It is a very lot of phones.

So you are willing to give up your right to privacy because you are worried about what a pimp says?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 21, 2016, 09:42:36 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 10:43:59 PM

Mostly a very good read but the man shows his own flaws...

It's understandable that he would be passionate about treason, abuse of power and his career being destroyed.

My original point was Trump pointing his finger at the Saudis to stir up his mindless followers. Eleven 9/11 terrorists received their visas at the Jeddah consulate. This is the point that jackass should have made, not some preposterous Saudi conspiracy.

It's unlikely that the CIA (or the State Department) imported al Qaeda members for the express purpose of attacking the Trade Center. More than likely, it was just a question of giving preferential visa service to their former proxy soldiers with unintended results.

Another article:

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112012/cia-911-visas-tk.php

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 21, 2016, 10:25:15 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 21, 2016, 09:42:36 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 20, 2016, 10:43:59 PM
Mostly a very good read but the man shows his own flaws...

It's understandable that he would be passionate about treason, abuse of power and his career being destroyed.

My original point was Trump pointing his finger at the Saudis to stir up his mindless followers. Eleven 9/11 terrorists received their visas at the Jeddah consulate. This is the point that jackass should have made, not some preposterous Saudi conspiracy.

It's unlikely that the CIA (or the State Department) imported al Qaeda members for the express purpose of attacking the Trade Center. More than likely, it was just a question of giving preferential visa service to their former proxy soldiers with unintended results.

Another article:

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/september112012/cia-911-visas-tk.php

You still say Trump is a "jackass" because you don't understand how he speaks. Sure he points the finger at the Saudi's, and considering that they and the CIA worked together to create the al Qaeda under OSL which killed Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan, it's normal (in my mind -- your mind works differently) to link the Saudi's with the CIA at Jeddah. I don't believe he said he knew exactly what happened, did he? No. He is simply saying that the report of the 9/11 commission needs to be read to understand how 9/11 came about.

PS -- I believe there's plenty of evidence that certain radical elements in Saudi Arabia (Wahabi's) independent of the original CIA plan to create proxy warriors, are active in financing terrorism and committing acts of terror around the World.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on February 21, 2016, 12:24:16 PM

Quote from: treadmilldude on February 21, 2016, 08:14:08 AM

Andrew, Apple is perfectly happy to give the Feds all the data on the dead terrorists' iphone - that one phone. But that is not what the FBI wants, however. The FBI is asking Apple for the backdoor in, the tools to be able to permanently break the encryption on every iphone. This is such a conundrum for me. I value privacy. I also want to give the Feds every tool available to stop terrorists from committing violence. I am not sure where I stand on the Apple issue, I go back and forth.

Since not even the NSA can keep their secret stuff secret, it makes sense to not create such a backdoor so bad guys can't hack it.

Also remember: The current capabilities to stop terrorists are underused and not effective, so why create a whole new scala of not-used oppertunities.

Paris attack? Without strong encryption or other sophisticated security. Plain text SMS's and still they failed to stop this event.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on February 21, 2016, 01:47:45 PM

Quote from: yankee on February 21, 2016, 09:41:51 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on February 21, 2016, 09:34:23 AM
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Yes I know of what you are talking about. Here is the problem and why Apple is not so interested in helping in one case or in any case. Apple has the only safe phone if you are a criminal. So there are very many criminals types in America who buy tens of thousands of phones. Everything from pimps, weapons sales, drugs dealers, insurance frauds, and the list goes on would like to have a phone that is secure from the police of all types. What people here do not get it here when the write about the Poor in America how many of those same people are involved in some type of illegal activity at some level and actually earn far more money that the government knows about. Apple does not want to lose these sales. It is a very lot of phones.

So you are willing to give up your right to privacy because you are worried about what a pimp says?

It is not about privacy, it is about business. I do not have a iphone my girl in the Ukraine does. None of us have ever had this form of privacy until now. No other phone provides us this form of privacy. So after all of this how many terrorist groups are now going to use iphones? This news story is like a commercial to buy iphones for people in illegal businesses. I think the government gets what they want here and it does not matter what I think about privacy or for that matter what you think either. The real question is what are you will to do to not give up these rights beside complain on some blog?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 21, 2016, 02:11:44 PM

Isn't absolutely amazing that the government can keep secrets from us and in fact do so all the time (like 28 pages of the 9/11 Commission) and yet they expect us to be an open book to them? The safeguards of Apple is one the reasons why they do not crash and get viruses as much as PCs. Now the government uses this issue of a terrorist I-phone to break Apple wide open by demanding their access keys. Sickening! :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 21, 2016, 02:15:16 PM

Quote from: treadmilldude on February 21, 2016, 08:14:08 AM

Andrew, Apple is perfectly happy to give the Feds all the data on the dead terrorists' iphone - that one phone. But that is not what the FBI wants, however. The FBI is asking Apple for the backdoor in, the tools to be able to permanently break the encryption on every iphone. This is such a conundrum for me. I value privacy. I also want to give the Feds every tool available to stop terrorists from committing violence. I am not sure where I stand on the Apple issue, I go back and forth.

If we are not careful they'll take every freedom and privacy we have away from us. I know where I stand.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: treadmilldude on February 21, 2016, 02:35:55 PM

Maxx, I look at it sometimes in this way, not always, but sometimes this way. If I am a law-abiding citizen, I am not breaking any laws, not involved in anything illegal or nefarious...really what do I have to hide on my IPhone from Big Brother? If the FBI cracks into my IPhone, so what? They are not going to find anything useful or relevant, because I am not involved in anything illegal or something I'd not want others to know about (with the exception of those New Years Eve Photos where Manny and I were both drunk, we started kissing, one thing led to another, I took my clothes off, Manny took his clothes off.......)

On the other hand, if I have some sinister machinations, I am a member of an Islamic terrorist organization and I am actively plotting to commit Jihad against the infidels...then sure, you bet I do not want Big Brother having access to my IPhone's data.

I sympathize with guys like Rand Paul who are staunch supporters of privacy rights. But I also sympathize with guys like Christie and Giuliani who assert that in protecting our right to privacy, we are increasing the likelihood something iniquitous will happen to innocent people by some bad actors connected with Radical Islam.

I sympathize with both sides on the right to privacy issue. But the threat of terrorism is not going away anytime soon, in fact it is growing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 21, 2016, 03:08:59 PM

Quote from: treadmilldude on February 21, 2016, 02:35:55 PM

Maxx, I look at it sometimes in this way, not always, but sometimes this way. If I am a law-abiding citizen, I am not breaking any laws, not involved in anything illegal or nefarious...really what do I have to hide on my IPhone from Big Brother?

I'm not trying to argue with you just give you something to think about before I go to bed. I am American as might you know living Tbilisi Georgia and it's past 2 AM here.

If you can please watch this youtube from an attorney who makes a good case that you should NEVER talk to the police even if you are totally innocent. IMO it is quite an interesting and entertaining video of course I'm odd living in Tbilisi and all. Anyway if you can watch the video and see why it is not wise to trust the "good guys."

Good night!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 21, 2016, 05:13:07 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 21, 2016, 10:25:15 AM

Sure he points the finger at the Saudi's, and considering that they and the CIA worked together to create the al Qaeda under OSL which killed Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan...

You are overlooking two small details: al Qaeda didn't exist until after the Soviet withdrawal began and Pakistan was the source of the majority of their fighters. You (and many other Trump supporters) may have forgotten that Pakistani Intelligence gave OSL a safe haven for years until we dropped in.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 21, 2016, 11:31:12 PM

Nevada caucus for the GOP on Tuesday. Another one for Trump? Or is it Rubio's turn?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on February 22, 2016, 02:03:04 AM

Quote from: treadmilldude on February 21, 2016, 02:35:55 PM

Maxx, I look at it sometimes in this way, not always, but sometimes this way. If I am a law-abiding citizen, I am not breaking any laws, not involved in anything illegal or nefarious...really what do I have to hide on my IPhone from Big Brother?

Ah the nothing to hide crew. Thats a very bad idea.
- You don't mind me taking pics if you are banging your girl and then emailing them to all your neighbours?
you ALWAYS have something to hide, even if you are an entirely lawful citizen.
Because YOU don't make that call, its a machine in a basement somewhere that decides if you have something to hide.

http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/08/government-knocking-doors-because-google-searches/67864/
Let me give you the brief if you don't want to read the link: A full armoured/armed swat team lifted this guy off his home because his son googled backpack whilst his wife googled 'pressure cooker'
scary? nope, they had nothing to hide after all. This is but one example but take it from me (I worked in Gov't ICT). you always have something to hide.

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On the other hand, if I have some sinister machinations, I am a member of an Islamic terrorist organization and I am actively plotting to commit Jihad against the infidels...then sure, you bet I do not want Big Brother having access to my IPhone's data.

Except those guys rarely (so far never) used anything conspicuous with regards of technology (crypto, darknet, etc.) and still didn't get caught, so why would you want new powers for your government if they can't even use the current ones correctly).
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151118/08474732854/after-endless-demonization-encryption-police-find-paris-attackers-coordinated-via-unencrypted-sms.shtml

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I sympathize with guys like Rand Paul who are staunch supporters of privacy rights. But I also sympathize with guys like Christie and Giuliani who assert that in protecting our right to privacy, we are increasing the likelihood something iniquitous will happen to innocent people by some bad actors connected with Radical Islam.

Nope, but you can guess where I am in the privacy debate. Try putting your son in a swimsuit @ a beach on the internet. Sounds innocent enough right? Well in most countries it will get you in the child-pornography corner and on several watchlists.
(I know this because ..... take a guess, knowing i have a 5yo son).

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I sympathize with both sides on the right to privacy issue. But the threat of terrorism is not going away anytime soon, in fact it is growing.

I do not sympathise with the anti-privacy crowd, since their points are all easily rebutted.

for more information, also read this excellent piece by a swedish politician why privacy is the only road to go, and non-privacy will always end in dictatorships:

https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2015/07/i-have-nothing-to-hide-really-means-you-cant-confide-anything-in-me/
http://falkvinge.net/2012/07/19/debunking-the-dangerous-nothing-to-hide-nothing-to-fear/

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Two – It’s not you who determine if you have something to fear: You may consider yourself law-abidingly white as snow, and it won’t matter a bit. What does matter is whether you set off the red flags in the mostly-automated surveillance, where bureaucrats look at your life in microscopic detail through a long paper tube to search for patterns. When you stop your car at the main prostitution street for two hours every Friday night, the Social Services Authority will draw certain conclusions from that data point, and won’t care about the fact that you help your elderly grandmother – who lives there – with her weekly groceries. When you frequently stop at a certain bar on your way driving home from work, the Department of Driving Licenses will draw certain conclusions as to your eligibility for future driving licenses – regardless of the fact that you think they serve the world’s best reindeer meatballs in that bar, and never had had a single beer there. People will stop thinking in terms of what is legal, and start acting in self-censorship to avoid being red-flagged, out of pure self-preservation. (It doesn’t matter that somebody in the right might possibly and eventually be cleared – after having been investigated for six months, you will have lost both custody of your children, your job, and possibly your home.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 22, 2016, 06:22:24 AM

Quote from: treadmilldude on February 21, 2016, 02:35:55 PM

I am not involved in anything illegal or something I'd not want others to know about (with the exception of those New Years Eve Photos where Manny and I were both drunk, we started kissing, one thing led to another, I took my clothes off, Manny took his clothes off.......)

:sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 22, 2016, 07:48:26 AM

Reince Priebus vows to support Trump if he is the nominee. In a separate news conference McConnell and the speaker of the House Paul Ryan also vowed the same.

http://buzzpo.com/rnc-chair-party-will-support-nominee-even-if-its-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 22, 2016, 08:44:25 AM

Currently, Immigration does not process same-sex fiancee visas, especially if the beneficiary is married, but a test case in the court system could change that. Those New Year's Eve photos could be used as proof of a meeting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 23, 2016, 10:33:45 PM

Trump without putting in much campaigning wins in Nevada. People are saying that Trump can't win the Latino vote but Nevada is a state with a lot of Latino voters and Trump won easily. Who's to say he can't win the Latino vote in a general election?

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/real-time-results-nevada-republican-caucuses-230223353.html
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/feb/23/nevada-republican-caucuses-live-coverage-trump-cruz-rubio

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 23, 2016, 11:26:26 PM

Trump crushes his competition in Nevada

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/TheNominee_zpslswheobs.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 23, 2016, 11:28:32 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 23, 2016, 10:33:45 PM

Trump without putting in much campaigning wins in Nevada. People are saying that Trump can't win the Latino vote but Nevada is a state with a lot of Latino voters and Trump won easily. Who's to say he can't win the Latino vote in a general election?

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/real-time-results-nevada-republican-caucuses-230223353.html
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/feb/23/nevada-republican-caucuses-live-coverage-trump-cruz-rubio

Good point. On to Super Tuesday.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 24, 2016, 12:00:03 AM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-24%20at%2010.55.35%20AM_zps3pp9a1ga.png)

http://nypost.com/2016/02/22/giuliani-is-trumps-campaign-consigliere/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 24, 2016, 12:43:55 AM

Quote from: Maxx on February 24, 2016, 12:00:03 AM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-24%20at%2010.55.35%20AM_zps3pp9a1ga.png)

http://nypost.com/2016/02/22/giuliani-is-trumps-campaign-consigliere/

VP Rudy Giuliani?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 24, 2016, 01:44:59 AM

Doubt it. But as the article points out, it shows that the Trump campaign has wider and deeper roots than his detractors would like you all to think.

He dies not rely upon a posse of paid positive speakers but rather canvases a broad range of opinion and input as advice and sanity check.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 24, 2016, 03:17:23 AM

Donald Trump widened his lead after Jeb Bush left the presidential race.

"The GOP frontrunner experienced a surge in support once Bush suspended his campaign, and the only other candidate to gain at Bush’s expense was John Katich.

“The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of likely Republican voters finds Trump with 36% support, giving him a 15-point lead over Senator Marco Rubio who earns 21% of the vote,” the poll revealed. “Senator Ted Cruz is in third place with 17%.”

“For Trump, that’s a five-point gain in support from the beginning of this month just after the Iowa caucus and right before the New Hampshire primary when it was Trump 31%, Rubio 21% and Cruz 20% among likely GOP voters; Rubio’s support has held steady, while support for Cruz has fallen slightly.”

The poll also revealed that 71% of Republican voters now favor building a wall along the U.S/Mexico border and among these voters, 43% support Trump.

“The order of the candidates is Trump, Rubio and Cruz among Republicans of all ages, but Trump runs strongest among those under 40,” Rasmussen Reports added. “The billionaire businessman has a two-to-one lead over Rubio among male GOP primary voters.”
The poll was conducted during Feb. 21-22, and since then Trump has called for an audit of the Federal Reserve and the prosecution of Hillary Clinton, both of which will likely add to his already dominant lead."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 24, 2016, 04:43:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 24, 2016, 01:44:59 AM

He does not rely upon a posse of paid positive speakers but rather canvases a broad range of opinion and input as advice and sanity check.

Perhaps this is a bad thing? His success so far is a result of not coming from the mushy middle.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 24, 2016, 05:10:51 AM

Nevada to Trump with over 40%.

Shakespear, how you gonna vote?

Still want a Democrat presidency?

Maxx, listening to a broad range of ideas is not the same as following a consensus. As we can see, no matter what you think of the bloke's campaign platform 'mushy consensus' it isn't. Populist, probably, but that's a good thing, I think. Trump is giving the turkeys a chance to not vote for Thanksgiving - that's a real change for the turkeys.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 08:43:09 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 24, 2016, 05:10:51 AM

Nevada to Trump with over 40%.

Shakespear, how you gonna vote?

Still want a Democrat presidency?

Less than 75,000 people voted in Nevada.

The facts are this:

A vote for Trump is an eventual vote for Hillary.

The guy cannot win a National Election.

If the low information voter continues with this mindless banzai charge of Trump support, they're going to destroy the USA as we know it now. We will become the new Sweden of the west.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on February 24, 2016, 08:48:33 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 08:43:09 AM

A vote for Trump is an eventual vote for Hillary.
The guy cannot win a National Election.

That's right.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on February 24, 2016, 08:53:28 AM

Polls in some of the supper Tuesday states. Trump leading most of them.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/02/super-tuesday-sec-primary-polls-gop-republican-trump-rubio-cruz/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Boris on February 24, 2016, 09:05:31 AM

I could never vote for Hillary. I have to admit that I was wrong about Trump. I thought his candidacy was a joke and would only last a couple of months. I guess I'm just going to have to close my eyes and pull the Republican lever and vote my self interest...I'm at the stage of my life where lower taxes (in all forms) benefit me and my family the most. All the other issues don't really concern me except in a very indirect way.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 24, 2016, 09:43:59 AM

Shakespear, you are one of those blokes who will happily sit on a railway track and watch a train bear down upon you, all the while saying 'the driver will stop, the driver will stop' until the last second when all that would be heard would be 'the driver...' and perhaps a soft 'splat'! :trainwreck:
Verily, a modern day King Canute.

It does not really matter how many voters there were in Nevada. You did an MBA, you were taught about statistics and sample sizes. If you think about it, you know that his lead is significant and growing. Nevada as a representative sample of the US electorate is significant. The delegates are real, the votes are real. Possibly more importantly, the news/entertainment media story is about his lead - these things gather their own momentum.

You are not alone, we can see that.
Those who do not want Trump to win need to start finding answers because it is obvious that, right now, your preferred candidate(s) don't have them and one can play King Canute for only so long.

So, you still want to see a Democrat president rather than a Republican one?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 24, 2016, 09:49:57 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 08:43:09 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 24, 2016, 05:10:51 AM
Nevada to Trump with over 40%.

Shakespear, how you gonna vote?

Still want a Democrat presidency?

Less than 75,000 people voted in Nevada.

The facts are this:

A vote for Trump is an eventual vote for Hillary.

The guy cannot win a National Election.

If the low information voter continues with this mindless banzai charge of Trump support, they're going to destroy the USA as we know it now. We will become the new Sweden of the west.

Trump not only can beat Hillary, if she is the nominee he will beat her, and it will be a tidal wave. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 10:02:50 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 24, 2016, 09:43:59 AM

It does not really matter how many voters there were in Nevada. You did an MBA, you were taught about statistics and sample sizes. If you think about it, you know that his lead is significant and growing. Nevada as a representative sample of the US electorate is significant. The delegates are real, the votes are real. Possibly more importantly, the news/entertainment media story is about his lead - these things gather their own momentum.

You are not alone, we can see that.
Those who do not want Trump to win need to start finding answers because it is obvious that, right now, your preferred candidate(s) don't have them and one can play King Canute for only so long.

Approximately 8% of the registered Republicans in the state of Nevada voted. Hardly a representative sample.

The answer is simple. Cruz, Kasich and Carson have to drop out of the race so the traditional Republicans can consolidate behind one person and save the country from a CERTAIN loss against Hillary Clinton.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 10:06:01 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 24, 2016, 09:49:57 AM

Trump not only can beat Hillary, if she is the nominee he will beat her, and it will be a tidal wave. :coffeeread:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Now look at this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_rubio_vs_clinton-3767.html

When every Republican votes in a Primary, regardless of State, the overriding factor should be to vote for the person most likely to beat Hillary Clinton. Period. End of discussion. Any other option is an invitation to disaster!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on February 24, 2016, 10:14:27 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 10:02:50 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 24, 2016, 09:43:59 AM
It does not really matter how many voters there were in Nevada. You did an MBA, you were taught about statistics and sample sizes. If you think about it, you know that his lead is significant and growing. Nevada as a representative sample of the US electorate is significant. The delegates are real, the votes are real. Possibly more importantly, the news/entertainment media story is about his lead - these things gather their own momentum.

You are not alone, we can see that.
Those who do not want Trump to win need to start finding answers because it is obvious that, right now, your preferred candidate(s) don't have them and one can play King Canute for only so long.

Approximately 8% of the registered Republicans in the state of Nevada voted. Hardly a representative sample.

The answer is simple. Cruz, Kasich and Carson have to drop out of the race so the traditional Republicans can consolidate behind one person and save the country from a CERTAIN loss against Hillary Clinton.

I can accept not voting Clinton. I would never vote her. I also feel the same way about Rubio. I could vote for Kasich and I could vote for Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 24, 2016, 10:18:34 AM

That Trump guy is as mad as a box of frogs, sort of an equivalent of Nigel Farage over here....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 10:22:13 AM

Quote from: yankee on February 24, 2016, 10:14:27 AM

I can accept not voting Clinton. I would never vote her. I also feel the same way about Rubio. I could vote for Kasich and I could vote for Trump.

Every time I hear Ted Cruz speak, it reminds me of the 1960 Oscar winning performance of Burt Lancaster in "Elmer Gantry".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 24, 2016, 10:25:18 AM

Shakespear, you forgot so much?

The people who turned out absolutely ARE a representative sample of the electorate. The ones that don't turn out don't count! (Mathematically they are as well!)
For example, you have told us that you won't vote in an election where Trump is the candidate. You will stay at home. No matter what you say or want is immaterial - because you did not vote and the votes are what count.

The folks who stayed at home yesterday don't count, they absented themselves from the process. As a result the delegates from Nevada will be supporting Trump, whether they want to or not and Trump will probably be the Republican candidate (unless something quite dramatic starts to happen.)

If those same folks then stay at home in the election then Trump will hoover up all the Republican votes and, if there's not enough of them, due to having the same attitude as yourself, then the Democrats win.
So, do you prefer to have a Democrat president to a Republican one?
As a self proclaimed Republican is that what you really want?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 24, 2016, 10:41:39 AM

Quote from: yankee on February 24, 2016, 10:14:27 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 10:02:50 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on February 24, 2016, 09:43:59 AM
It does not really matter how many voters there were in Nevada. You did an MBA, you were taught about statistics and sample sizes. If you think about it, you know that his lead is significant and growing. Nevada as a representative sample of the US electorate is significant. The delegates are real, the votes are real. Possibly more importantly, the news/entertainment media story is about his lead - these things gather their own momentum.

You are not alone, we can see that.
Those who do not want Trump to win need to start finding answers because it is obvious that, right now, your preferred candidate(s) don't have them and one can play King Canute for only so long.

Approximately 8% of the registered Republicans in the state of Nevada voted. Hardly a representative sample.

The answer is simple. Cruz, Kasich and Carson have to drop out of the race so the traditional Republicans can consolidate behind one person and save the country from a CERTAIN loss against Hillary Clinton.

I can accept not voting Clinton. I would never vote her. I also feel the same way about Rubio. I could vote for Kasich and I could vote for Trump.

Thank you! Once the real election gets nearer, listen carefully to what Trump is saying. Not the labels or sound bites, but to what he is really saying. Look at his economic plan to revive our economy as well. In fact, most importantly look at that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on February 24, 2016, 10:52:03 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 10:22:13 AM

Quote from: yankee on February 24, 2016, 10:14:27 AM

I can accept not voting Clinton. I would never vote her. I also feel the same way about Rubio. I could vote for Kasich and I could vote for Trump.

Every time I hear Ted Cruz speak, it reminds me of the 1960 Oscar winning performance of Burt Lancaster in "Elmer Gantry".

He (Ted Cruz) is third on my don't vote list.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 24, 2016, 11:34:08 AM

I just saw this video on YouTube. I don't know who the speaker is. I rarely watch videos. But - I have to say that agree with the guy's point of view.

Of course he has no answers, just an outline of the problem, the easy bit. ;)

He also avoids the 'how' to a large degree. How it is that so many Americans are now so disenchanted with the political system that they are willing to vote for this man. As I noted before, he is a protest vote. Voting Trump is a much more effective protest vote than staying at home and doing nothing.

Whilst the piece is limited, because there is no idea of the how we got here or the what to do about it, my guess is that most people here and watching the video have not really given the why of the Trump phenomenon and its meaning is.

Here's the vid:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 24, 2016, 11:57:31 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 08:43:09 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 24, 2016, 05:10:51 AM
Nevada to Trump with over 40%.

Shakespear, how you gonna vote?

Still want a Democrat presidency?

Less than 75,000 people voted in Nevada.

The facts are this:

A vote for Trump is an eventual vote for Hillary.

The guy cannot win a National Election.

If the low information voter continues with this mindless banzai charge of Trump support, they're going to destroy the USA as we know it now. We will become the new Sweden of the west.

Not really sure why you say this about Trump vs. Hillary.

Trump would d-e-s-t-r-o-y Hillary.

Look what he did to Megyn Kelly and he wasn't even trying!

The other Republican candidates can't even win the support of Republicans in the primaries - why would they be able to convert a few million Democrat-leaning voters to their side in a general election?

I am really struggling to suss out what the meat of your argument is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 12:36:14 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 24, 2016, 11:57:31 AM

I am really struggling to suss out what the meat of your argument is.

Did you look at the polls I posted two posts later?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 12:38:48 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 24, 2016, 11:34:08 AM

How it is that so many Americans are now so disenchanted with the political system that they are willing to vote for this man. As I noted before, he is a protest vote. Voting Trump is a much more effective protest vote than staying at home and doing nothing.

They're going to "protest" Hillary Clinton right into the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 24, 2016, 12:41:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 12:36:14 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 24, 2016, 11:57:31 AM
I am really struggling to suss out what the meat of your argument is.

Did you look at the polls I posted two posts later?

Those polls show that Bush vs. Clinton does better than Trump vs. Clinton.

Do you truly find that believable?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 24, 2016, 12:45:08 PM

So, Shakespear, what you are saying is that you DO prefer to have a Democrat president than a Republican?

How does that square with you being a Republican an' all?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 12:47:31 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 24, 2016, 12:41:48 PM

Those polls show that Bush vs. Clinton does better than Trump vs. Clinton.

Do you truly find that believable?

Yes. There is a certain LARGE percentage of voters who would NEVER vote for Donald Trump under any circumstance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 12:50:45 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 24, 2016, 12:45:08 PM

So, Shakespear, what you are saying is that you DO prefer to have a Democrat president than a Republican?

How does that square with you being a Republican an' all?

Where did I say that?

Of course not.

First of all, Trump is not a Republican.

Second, you can't stand in the way of a bunch of ignoramus voters willing to make their point at the expense of the whole country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 24, 2016, 12:53:01 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 12:47:31 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 24, 2016, 12:41:48 PM
Those polls show that Bush vs. Clinton does better than Trump vs. Clinton.

Do you truly find that believable?

Yes. There is a certain LARGE percentage of voters who would NEVER vote for Donald Trump under any circumstance.

Well, there are a lot that won't vote for Clinton either... sort of like the movie Alien vs. Predator , I guess.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 12:56:38 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 24, 2016, 12:53:01 PM

Well, there are a lot that won't vote for Clinton either... sort of like the movie Alien vs. Predator , I guess.

The Democrats are PRAYING that the Republicans are STUPID enough to give Trump the nomination.

It GUARANTEES a Clinton victory. Probably by a double digit margin.

And every single dumbass that voted for Donald Trump in a primary is to blame.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 24, 2016, 01:11:03 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 24, 2016, 11:57:31 AM

Trump would d-e-s-t-r-o-y Hillary.

Look what he did to Megyn Kelly and he wasn't even trying!

I'll remind you about your prediction in November.

Yes, he showed Megyn that he was a sphincter... "and he wasn't even trying!" Neither I nor Europeans cease to be amazed at how many Americans admire sphincters but that is probably the consequence of asking the world to "Give me your... wretched refuse..."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 02:40:37 PM

My recommended debate strategy for Cruz in the upcoming Thursday night date -

The moment Trump opens his mouth to answer the first question, Cruz should interrupt and say this -

"Donald, for months, everybody has been tiptoeing around you out of courtesy. Enough. We all know you’re a spoiled brat who’s never had anybody say no to him. You’re a pathetic, bloated old man who stood on daddy’s money stack to make billions, and then can’t shut up about how he’s a self-made man. You’re a ridiculous dolt who lies about his politics, brags about having sex with married women, and shafts little old ladies for cash. And every time you are attacked, your face turns as red as the Kool-Aid man – just like it’s doing now. Then you cite polls, as though polls make you not all those things. They don’t. You’re just as much of a ridiculous clown as you ever were.”

If Trump tries to interrupt him, Cruz will have to tell him to shut the hell up, and then not back down.

His only hope at getting the nomination is to "out-masculine Trump" in the next 10 days.

Thanks to Ben Shapiro from The Daily Wire for the most accurate and factual description of Donald Trump ever written, posted or published.

:nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 24, 2016, 03:02:15 PM

I read someone that if Trump had left Dads fortune [ inheritance ] in the bank and lived [well ] off the interest - he'd be better off than his 'business ventures' have performed ... Is there any truth to this?

IF true - it makes a mockery of the, '' trust this business man to run the USA better'' ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 03:24:44 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 24, 2016, 03:02:15 PM

I read someone that if Trump had left Dads fortune [ inheritance ] in the bank and lived [well ] off the interest - he'd be better off than his 'business ventures' have performed ... Is there any truth to this?

IF true - it makes a mockery of the, '' trust this business man to run the USA better'' ...

It's absolutely true.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 24, 2016, 04:59:48 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 24, 2016, 03:02:15 PM

I read someone that if Trump had left Dads fortune [ inheritance ] in the bank and lived [well ] off the interest - he'd be better off than his 'business ventures' have performed ... Is there any truth to this?

IF true - it makes a mockery of the, '' trust this business man to run the USA better'' ...

Have you seen what the banks pay in interest? :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 24, 2016, 05:15:19 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 24, 2016, 03:02:15 PM

I read someone that if Trump had left Dads fortune [ inheritance ] in the bank and lived [well ] off the interest - he'd be better off than his 'business ventures' have performed ... Is there any truth to this?

IF true - it makes a mockery of the, '' trust this business man to run the USA better'' ...

Not a chance it's true Moby. Trump says he's worth $10 billion, Forbes says he's worth about $4.5 billion. Either way he's a multi billionaire. I don't know how much Trump's father left him but I doubt it was more than $4.5 billion.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/forbes-gave-donald-trumps-net-worth-a-55-billion-haircut-2015-09-29

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: treadmilldude on February 24, 2016, 05:57:09 PM

Read the bio of Trump's Dad on wiki a few days ago. He died rich, but not excessively so, probably because he did give a lot of his wealth to Donald to go into the Manhattan real estate market and clean up. Trump's Father died with an estimated net worth of $200 Million - $300 Million according to Forbes. Died from Alzheimers in either 98 or 99, I believe. Anyways, if Donals would have taken that, what might have been $100 million his Dad gave him in about 1978 when he started in the Manhattan real estate market.....and simply invested it in the stock market wisely...let's assume an annual rate of return of 8%..the rule of 70 says his money doubles every 9 years (70 / 8 = approximately 9). So from 1978 to 2016 - that is 38 years. 38 years and his money doubles every 9 years....means his money would have doubled 4 times plus gone up maybe another 20%. $100 Mill - $200 Mill - $400 Mill - $800 Mill - 1.6 Billion + 20% = approximately $1.9 Billion. So if he had just taken the roughly $100 Mill his Father gave him in 1978 to go into the Manhattan real estate market...invested it with an annual rate of return of 8%....he would have $1.9 Billion which is L E S S than what Forbes estimates his net worth to be right now ($4.5 Billion). So he has done better by being a business man than he would have done than if he would have invested it.

One caveat. Since he is such a large $ investor, he would have always had access to being able to invest in extremely well-run hedge funds, that have much higher annual rate of returns than 8%. In that case...you can do the math, pick a rate of return you think he might have been capable of earning using hedge funds over the last 38 years, use the rule of 70, and figure out if he comes out ahead by simply investing that initial $100 Mill over the last 38 years, or if he has come out ahead by being a business man. Most likely, from looking at the numbers and doing the math myself, I think he would have come out ahead by taking the initial $100 Mill and investing it in hedge funds the last 38 years - he would have quite a bit more than $4.5 Bill today if he would have simply invested the money in hedge funds.

What even I sometimes fail to realize is just how much money $100 Mill was way back in 1978. Huge difference in starting out with $100 Mill in 1978 versus starting out with $100 Mill in 2016.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on February 24, 2016, 06:54:15 PM

There is a lot about Donald here. Maybe some people would like to read this and come up with there own thoughts. First he would never gotten the money from his dad if he just put it in the bank or hedge fund. He was only one of four children. He did not just get the money all at one time as he was in business with dad and gained control of the money over time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 24, 2016, 11:29:29 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 24, 2016, 12:36:14 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 24, 2016, 11:57:31 AM
I am really struggling to suss out what the meat of your argument is.

Did you look at the polls I posted two posts later?

Any poll right now showing H. Clinton would beat Trump is absurd as it's far too early.

At the start of the Republican race Jeb Bush was supposed to be the frontrunner. Where is he now?

Hillary doesn't stand a remote chance of beating Trump. Trump is already pulling blue collar Democrats.

Hillary is lazy and low energy compared to Trump, not to mention that many Americans think she is a liar.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 24, 2016, 11:33:26 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 24, 2016, 01:11:03 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 24, 2016, 11:57:31 AM
Trump would d-e-s-t-r-o-y Hillary.

Look what he did to Megyn Kelly and he wasn't even trying!

I'll remind you about your prediction in November.

Yes, he showed Megyn that he was a sphincter... "and he wasn't even trying!" Neither I nor Europeans cease to be amazed at how many Americans admire sphincters but that is probably the consequence of asking the world to "Give me your... wretched refuse..."

The opinions of Europeans don't matter. They cannot vote in our elections nor do most Americans want to be like Europe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 25, 2016, 01:00:15 AM

Hmm... When one reads stuff such as this comparing current wealth to an invested lump sum one knows that one is not reading anything other than a carefully crafted attack piece designed for people who don't know much. It doesn't matter which masthead published or the name of the author.

Just one thought for those 'confused' by this story:
How much money has Trump spent over the course of his lifetime?
How much money has been spent by his businesses?
What is the sum total of the economic activity due to Donald Trump's existence?

If one sums the total of the additional economic activity due to the existence of the man and adds that into the value of current assets then one will surely get a more sensible idea - but nobody is going to attempt such a thing. His detractors would gain nothing from having been shown to be dishonest shills. His supporters already know that these pieces are attack fiction. And, in any case, how to audit a life's economic activity.

However as an illustration: consider yourselves as individuals. Over the years, how much money (in 2016 money terms) have you earned and spent? How much more is that amount than your current net worth? For most people the present day value of our past economic activity is much, much greater than our current net worth.

However, Trump's real wealth is the brand he has built up over decades. Win or lose the Republican nomination or the general election, his brand value has skyrocketed. His brand is probably, right now, one of the most valuable, most recognisable brands in the world and at the cost of a few million dollars in campaign expenses.
As a marketing campaign the Trump political campaign is a work of genius unparalleled in world history. Other political figures have equal or better recognition but none of them were business people whose whole support structure and ethos is to make money for the brand owner.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: treadmilldude on February 25, 2016, 02:57:48 AM

Andrew, just to clarify, I have always been a Trump fan and supporter, never spoken ill of him on this board. I think you are confusing me with some other members.

Just in the last 5 days, my voting persuasion has changed from Cruz being my number one choice with Trump my second choice......to Trump being my #1 choice and who I will definitely vote for. As much as I love Foxnews (and yes I love Foxnews), even a dummy like me can see through Rupert Murdoch's shameless attempt to use every tool imaginable in the FoxNews arsenal to get Rubio elected. I'm sorry, but Rubio ain't happenin'. Trump will not be stopped (this includes Hillary).

"As a marketing campaign the Trump political campaign is a work of genius unparalleled in world history." Wow, that is a bold, fresh statement.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 25, 2016, 03:32:48 AM

I was not pointing a finger at anyone in particular. I was pointing a general sort of Internetty finger thingy at those who were taken in by this story and I explained how they had been taken in. Apologies if I was not enough clear.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 25, 2016, 05:43:45 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 25, 2016, 01:00:15 AM

Hmm... When one reads stuff such as this comparing current wealth to an invested lump sum one knows that one is not reading anything other than a carefully crafted attack piece designed for people who don't know much. It doesn't matter which masthead published or the name of the author.

Reminds me of someone who wrote a piece about the demise of the Russian Bride .. to coincide with the - late - launch of an 'alternative ' .... that I never hear of ... :coffeeread:

The difference being that in the case of the former assertion - the amount left to Donald can be extrapolated and a fair attempt made ...

He was born with a silver spoon in his gob and has made some howlers along the way ...

Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
The Bankruptcies
The Hair
The Marriages
Trump Mortgage
Trump: The Game
The China Connection
Trump Casinos
The Middle East 'Policy'

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html (http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html)

'Trust me' ..... OMG ..Really, is this the best the USA can serve up ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on February 25, 2016, 08:01:43 AM

Do you think Donald Trump wears a Toupee ? If he does I wonder why? I mean with all of his cash you would of thought he would of bought himself a new set of hair like Elton John :laugh:

My hair started falling out a few years ago and keeping my hair cut short is a pain in the ass. I recently started an intensive course of :censored: to make it grow again. The wife wants to know why i want my hair to grow again! Others think I'm mad :laugh:

But in 4/5 months time I will have the last laugh, I usually do. It will take lawn mower to cut my hair :ROFL:

I can let you into one of the ingredients 2 table spoons of Pumpkin seed oil each day :smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 25, 2016, 08:19:18 AM

Moby, please try reading before commenting on a post. Save yourself (and more importantly us) a little time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 25, 2016, 08:27:46 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 25, 2016, 05:43:45 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 25, 2016, 01:00:15 AM
Hmm... When one reads stuff such as this comparing current wealth to an invested lump sum one knows that one is not reading anything other than a carefully crafted attack piece designed for people who don't know much. It doesn't matter which masthead published or the name of the author.

Reminds me of someone who wrote a piece about the demise of the Russian Bride .. to coincide with the - late - launch of an 'alternative ' .... that I never hear of ... :coffeeread:

The difference being that in the case of the former assertion - the amount left to Donald can be extrapolated and a fair attempt made ...

He was born with a silver spoon in his gob and has made some howlers along the way ...

Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
The Bankruptcies
The Hair
The Marriages
Trump Mortgage
Trump: The Game
The China Connection
Trump Casinos
The Middle East 'Policy'

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html (http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html)

'Trust me' ..... OMG ..Really, is this the best the USA can serve up ?

No need for jealousy just because the spoon you had in your Gob at birth was Plastic... ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 25, 2016, 08:28:51 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on February 25, 2016, 08:01:43 AM

Do you think Donald Trump wears a Toupee ? If he does I wonder why? I mean with all of his cash you would of thought he would of bought himself a new set of hair like Elton John :laugh:

My hair started falling out a few years ago and keeping my hair cut short is a pain in the ass. I recently started an intensive course of :censored: to make it grow again. The wife wants to know why i want my hair to grow again! Others think I'm mad :laugh:

But in 4/5 months time I will have the last laugh, I usually do. It will take lawn mower to cut my hair :ROFL:

I can let you into one of the ingredients 2 table spoons of Pumpkin seed oil each day :smokin:

Isn't that what Mrs E John and Partner use???

:chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 25, 2016, 08:33:46 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 24, 2016, 11:33:26 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 24, 2016, 01:11:03 PM
Quote from: Slumba on February 24, 2016, 11:57:31 AM
Trump would d-e-s-t-r-o-y Hillary.

Look what he did to Megyn Kelly and he wasn't even trying!

I'll remind you about your prediction in November.

Yes, he showed Megyn that he was a sphincter... "and he wasn't even trying!" Neither I nor Europeans cease to be amazed at how many Americans admire sphincters but that is probably the consequence of asking the world to "Give me your... wretched refuse..."

The opinions of Europeans don't matter. They cannot vote in our elections nor do most Americans want to be like Europe.

Now then Ant, you know that what you have stated is NOT correct..

It is well known, that all you American cowboys wish to become English Gentlemen the same as we are..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on February 25, 2016, 08:34:36 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on February 25, 2016, 08:27:46 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 25, 2016, 05:43:45 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on February 25, 2016, 01:00:15 AM
Hmm... When one reads stuff such as this comparing current wealth to an invested lump sum one knows that one is not reading anything other than a carefully crafted attack piece designed for people who don't know much. It doesn't matter which masthead published or the name of the author.

Reminds me of someone who wrote a piece about the demise of the Russian Bride .. to coincide with the - late - launch of an 'alternative ' .... that I never hear of ... :coffeeread:

The difference being that in the case of the former assertion - the amount left to Donald can be extrapolated and a fair attempt made ...

He was born with a silver spoon in his gob and has made some howlers along the way ...

Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
The Bankruptcies
The Hair
The Marriages
Trump Mortgage
Trump: The Game
The China Connection
Trump Casinos
The Middle East 'Policy'

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html (http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html)

'Trust me' ..... OMG ..Really, is this the best the USA can serve up ?

No need for jealousy just because the spoon you had in your Gob at birth was Plastic... ;D

I always thought Moby was an English gentleman with the castle , Aston martin , Coutts &Co Bank account , Yacht and of course ALL the women that go with it :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 25, 2016, 09:07:07 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on February 25, 2016, 08:34:36 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on February 25, 2016, 08:27:46 AM
Quote from: msmoby on February 25, 2016, 05:43:45 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on February 25, 2016, 01:00:15 AM
Hmm... When one reads stuff such as this comparing current wealth to an invested lump sum one knows that one is not reading anything other than a carefully crafted attack piece designed for people who don't know much. It doesn't matter which masthead published or the name of the author.

Reminds me of someone who wrote a piece about the demise of the Russian Bride .. to coincide with the - late - launch of an 'alternative ' .... that I never hear of ... :coffeeread:

The difference being that in the case of the former assertion - the amount left to Donald can be extrapolated and a fair attempt made ...

He was born with a silver spoon in his gob and has made some howlers along the way ...

Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
The Bankruptcies
The Hair
The Marriages
Trump Mortgage
Trump: The Game
The China Connection
Trump Casinos
The Middle East 'Policy'

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html (http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html)

'Trust me' ..... OMG ..Really, is this the best the USA can serve up ?

No need for jealousy just because the spoon you had in your Gob at birth was Plastic... ;D

I always thought Moby was an English gentleman with the castle , Aston martin , Coutts &Co Bank account , Yacht and of course ALL the women that go with it :laugh:

Im English (not a gentleman though, I'm from Lancashire) actually nearly did buy a castle when I lived in Scotland, it was small, falling to bits and was £1 with the proviso it was restored to Grade A listed status, had an Aston Martin in the late 80's, a 1975 DBS V8, cost me £4295, clutch was monumentally heavy and one day on the East Lancs on my way home in traffic just had enough of not being able to walk when I got out of it and sold it that weekend, probably at a loss knowing me. I've got a Cater Allen Private Bank account for my business but no Yacht and no interest in water since I can't swim for toffee. No women either, only one current one.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on February 25, 2016, 09:14:54 AM

Quote from: Ste on February 25, 2016, 09:07:07 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on February 25, 2016, 08:34:36 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on February 25, 2016, 08:27:46 AM
Quote from: msmoby on February 25, 2016, 05:43:45 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on February 25, 2016, 01:00:15 AM
Hmm... When one reads stuff such as this comparing current wealth to an invested lump sum one knows that one is not reading anything other than a carefully crafted attack piece designed for people who don't know much. It doesn't matter which masthead published or the name of the author.

Reminds me of someone who wrote a piece about the demise of the Russian Bride .. to coincide with the - late - launch of an 'alternative ' .... that I never hear of ... :coffeeread:

The difference being that in the case of the former assertion - the amount left to Donald can be extrapolated and a fair attempt made ...

He was born with a silver spoon in his gob and has made some howlers along the way ...

Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
The Bankruptcies
The Hair
The Marriages
Trump Mortgage
Trump: The Game
The China Connection
Trump Casinos
The Middle East 'Policy'

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html (http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html)

'Trust me' ..... OMG ..Really, is this the best the USA can serve up ?

No need for jealousy just because the spoon you had in your Gob at birth was Plastic... ;D

I always thought Moby was an English gentleman with the castle , Aston martin , Coutts &Co Bank account , Yacht and of course ALL the women that go with it :laugh:

Im English (not a gentleman though, I'm from Lancashire) actually nearly did buy a castle when I lived in Scotland, it was small, falling to bits and was £1 with the proviso it was restored to Grade A listed status, had an Aston Martin in the late 80's, a 1975 DBS V8, cost me £4295, clutch was monumentally heavy and one day on the East Lancs on my way home in traffic just had enough of not being able to walk when I got out of it and sold it that weekend, probably at a loss knowing me. I've got a Cater Allen Private Bank account for my business but no Yacht and no interest in water since I can't swim for toffee. No women either, only one current one.

Im certainly not an English gentleman :ROFL: My wife did ask me some time back "Where are all the English gentlemen " I said they left years ago! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 25, 2016, 09:35:54 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on February 25, 2016, 09:14:54 AM

Quote from: Ste on February 25, 2016, 09:07:07 AM
Quote from: Steveboy on February 25, 2016, 08:34:36 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on February 25, 2016, 08:27:46 AM
Quote from: msmoby on February 25, 2016, 05:43:45 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on February 25, 2016, 01:00:15 AM
Hmm... When one reads stuff such as this comparing current wealth to an invested lump sum one knows that one is not reading anything other than a carefully crafted attack piece designed for people who don't know much. It doesn't matter which masthead published or the name of the author.

Reminds me of someone who wrote a piece about the demise of the Russian Bride .. to coincide with the - late - launch of an 'alternative ' .... that I never hear of ... :coffeeread:

The difference being that in the case of the former assertion - the amount left to Donald can be extrapolated and a fair attempt made ...

He was born with a silver spoon in his gob and has made some howlers along the way ...

Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
The Bankruptcies
The Hair
The Marriages
Trump Mortgage
Trump: The Game
The China Connection
Trump Casinos
The Middle East 'Policy'

http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html (http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html)

'Trust me' ..... OMG ..Really, is this the best the USA can serve up ?

No need for jealousy just because the spoon you had in your Gob at birth was Plastic... ;D

I always thought Moby was an English gentleman with the castle , Aston martin , Coutts &Co Bank account , Yacht and of course ALL the women that go with it :laugh:

Im English (not a gentleman though, I'm from Lancashire) actually nearly did buy a castle when I lived in Scotland, it was small, falling to bits and was £1 with the proviso it was restored to Grade A listed status, had an Aston Martin in the late 80's, a 1975 DBS V8, cost me £4295, clutch was monumentally heavy and one day on the East Lancs on my way home in traffic just had enough of not being able to walk when I got out of it and sold it that weekend, probably at a loss knowing me. I've got a Cater Allen Private Bank account for my business but no Yacht and no interest in water since I can't swim for toffee. No women either, only one current one.

Im certainly not an English gentleman :ROFL: My wife did ask me some time back "Where are all the English gentlemen " I said they left years ago! :laugh:

I am an English Gentleman..... tiphat

I always take my weight on my elbows and my knees with a lady.... :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 25, 2016, 12:14:11 PM

You haven't explained one thing to me yet . . . . . . . . . . .

56% of registered voters have said they would NEVER vote for Trump.

So that leaves a potential vote total of 44%

Without a three candidate election, how does Trump win?

Answer: H E D O E S N ' T

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on February 25, 2016, 12:23:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 25, 2016, 12:14:11 PM

You haven't explained one thing to me yet . . . . . . . . . . .

56% of registered voters have said they would NEVER vote for Trump.

So that leaves a potential vote total of 44%

Without a three candidate election, how does Trump win?

Answer: H E D O E S N ' T

(a) Some of the voters just stay home
(b) Some of the voters change their mind
(c) all of the above

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 25, 2016, 02:13:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 25, 2016, 12:14:11 PM

You haven't explained one thing to me yet . . . . . . . . . . .

56% of registered voters have said they would NEVER vote for Trump.

So that leaves a potential vote total of 44%

Without a three candidate election, how does Trump win?

Answer: H E D O E S N ' T

I don't know the methodology of this poll, actually this average-of-polls : http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

Hillary is at 53% "unfavorable".

So what - does that mean that we won't have a president in January ;D

EDIT - note that the polls are HuffPo (usually very pro-Democrat) thus likely not slanted *against* Hillary. Also it seems March 1st has a lot of R primaries - I guess by March 2nd we will know more.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 25, 2016, 02:43:58 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 25, 2016, 12:14:11 PM

You haven't explained one thing to me yet . . . . . . . . . . .

56% of registered voters have said they would NEVER vote for Trump.

So that leaves a potential vote total of 44%

Without a three candidate election, how does Trump win?

Answer: H E D O E S N ' T

You're wrong and the proof is you. You've already stated that you will not under any circumstances vote for Trump, yet you've also stated that you would not under any circumstances vote for Hillary.

And this is how it is every election cycle. Persons such as you who do not get their way -- simply stay home and don't vote.

Meaning that Trump will win by a mile, since all of us "low information voters" are eager to put a real leader in the White House.

Meaning we are sick of those who would "make a deal" with Obama and let him nominate somebody for the Supreme Court.

We are sick of the Mitch McConnell's, who break all of their promises and allow Obama to run roughshod over the Constitution.

We are sick of the political "elites" who are self-serving and only exist to enrich themselves and their cronies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 25, 2016, 03:16:00 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 25, 2016, 12:14:11 PM

You haven't explained one thing to me yet . . . . . . . . . . .

56% of registered voters have said they would NEVER vote for Trump.

So that leaves a potential vote total of 44%

Without a three candidate election, how does Trump win?

Answer: H E D O E S N ' T

Yep, and they will sit it out, maybe. And the Bernie voters who loath Hillary in bed with big business and the big banks will do the same. Shakespear, you are the one who is unbalanced because you can't see both sides. People are sick of the establishment that has been raping them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 07:03:39 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 25, 2016, 02:43:58 PM

Meaning that Trump will win by a mile, since all of us "low information voters" are eager to put a real leader in the White House.

Meaning we are sick of those who would "make a deal" with Obama and let him nominate somebody for the Supreme Court.

We are sick of the Mitch McConnell's, who break all of their promises and allow Obama to run roughshod over the Constitution.

We are sick of the political "elites" who are self-serving and only exist to enrich themselves and their cronies.

No. Your "sickness" will put Hillary Clinton in the White House.

You and the other idiots who have been taken in by this low rate carnival barker will be responsible for the downfall of the United States as we know it now.

Wear it well. Be proud of your stupidity.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 08:30:44 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 07:03:39 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 25, 2016, 02:43:58 PM

Meaning that Trump will win by a mile, since all of us "low information voters" are eager to put a real leader in the White House.

Meaning we are sick of those who would "make a deal" with Obama and let him nominate somebody for the Supreme Court.

We are sick of the Mitch McConnell's, who break all of their promises and allow Obama to run roughshod over the Constitution.

We are sick of the political "elites" who are self-serving and only exist to enrich themselves and their cronies.

No. Your "sickness" will put Hillary Clinton in the White House.

You and the other idiots who have been taken in by this low rate carnival barker will be responsible for the downfall of the United States as we know it now.

Wear it well. Be proud of your stupidity.

The downfall of the USA was nearly complete by the actions of your "hero" the neo-con George Bush, Jr. and it was sped up by the do nothing Congress under Boehner and McConnell who were assets of Obama.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 26, 2016, 08:35:36 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 07:03:39 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 25, 2016, 02:43:58 PM

Meaning that Trump will win by a mile, since all of us "low information voters" are eager to put a real leader in the White House.

Meaning we are sick of those who would "make a deal" with Obama and let him nominate somebody for the Supreme Court.

We are sick of the Mitch McConnell's, who break all of their promises and allow Obama to run roughshod over the Constitution.

We are sick of the political "elites" who are self-serving and only exist to enrich themselves and their cronies.

No. Your "sickness" will put Hillary Clinton in the White House.

You and the other idiots who have been taken in by this low rate carnival barker will be responsible for the downfall of the United States as we know it now.

Wear it well. Be proud of your stupidity.

I understand the distaste over Trump, and I am skeptical about him.

But you need to understand that illegal immigration being seen as a horrible thing, is valid for many people in the USA.

It is absolutely wrong, that the native population of a country be methodically replaced with the assistance of the very government their tax dollars pay for, and then be culturally and politically dispossessed. In fact , it meets the UN definition of genocide.

It has had tremendously bad consequences all over the USA. One example - CA used to be a R stronghold - is it still that way? What changed? --illegals getting legalized via the LIFE act and the 1986 amnesty.

Another example - the importation of Somalis - to whom the USA owes absolutely NOTHING -into Minnesota and e.g. Lewiston, Maine. In both cases, undermining and even destroying the quality of life of the people living there, by government edict.

Which of the other low rate carnival barkers do you recommend, then?

Gayface McFoamParty Rubio? Ted "I'll Say Anything" Cruz? Both of them open borders a-holes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 08:43:18 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 26, 2016, 08:35:36 AM

Which of the other low rate carnival barkers do you recommend, then?

Gayface McFoamParty Rubio? Ted "I'll Say Anything" Cruz? Both of them open borders a-holes.

The guy who has the highest probability of beating Hillary Clinton.

This M U S T be the #1 prime objective of the 2016 election!

Polls say a Rubio/Kasich ticket fits that bill.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 08:47:13 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 25, 2016, 02:13:03 PM

Hillary is at 53% "unfavorable".

So what - does that mean that we won't have a president in January ;D

There is a big difference between "unfavorable" and "will not vote for under any circumstance"

Hispanics - 80% will not vote for Trump under any circumstance.

The guy cannot win the 2016 election

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 26, 2016, 10:24:52 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 08:47:13 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 25, 2016, 02:13:03 PM

Hillary is at 53% "unfavorable".

So what - does that mean that we won't have a president in January ;D

There is a big difference between "unfavorable" and "will not vote for under any circumstance"

Hispanics - 80% will not vote for Trump under any circumstance.

The guy cannot win the 2016 election

Have you figured out my point yet about how illegal immigration is changing this country?

In any election before 1992, would any candidate have had to worry about hurting the feewwings of Hispanics in order to become President?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 10:43:00 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 08:47:13 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 25, 2016, 02:13:03 PM

Hillary is at 53% "unfavorable".

So what - does that mean that we won't have a president in January ;D

There is a big difference between "unfavorable" and "will not vote for under any circumstance"

Hispanics - 80% will not vote for Trump under any circumstance.

The guy cannot win the 2016 election

Like you, they're going to stay home and not vote. Trump will be our next President whether RINO's like you like it or not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 10:57:11 AM

Quote from: Slumba on February 26, 2016, 10:24:52 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 08:47:13 AM
Quote from: Slumba on February 25, 2016, 02:13:03 PM

Hillary is at 53% "unfavorable".

So what - does that mean that we won't have a president in January ;D

There is a big difference between "unfavorable" and "will not vote for under any circumstance"

Hispanics - 80% will not vote for Trump under any circumstance.

The guy cannot win the 2016 election

Have you figured out my point yet about how illegal immigration is changing this country?

In any election before 1992, would any candidate have had to worry about hurting the feewwings of Hispanics in order to become President?

Exactly. However now that Trump is going to win the nomination, look for him to be far more diplomatic towards Hispanics. This does not mean he will not build his wall and enforce border control; what it means is that he will focus on those who are here legally (what a concept!) will be able to easily find employment, as the economy will be booming.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 26, 2016, 11:26:04 AM

Another vote of confidence in Trump. NJ governor Chris Christie is endorsing Trump. Though Christie never topped the polls he is at least mainstream GOP so his endorsement of Trump is a sign that some of the GOP establishment is supporting Trump or maybe he's angling for the VP spot in Trump's administration.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-jersey-gov-chris-christie-endorses-donald-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 26, 2016, 11:31:52 AM

The waves will stop because I decree it: King Canute (the King with very wet feet!)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 12:09:27 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 10:43:00 AM

Trump will be our next President whether RINO's like you like it or not.

No he won't.

We're making the same mistake we made with Romney.

With Romney as the standardbearer we couldn't attack Obama on his biggest weakness; Obamacare.

With Trump as the standardbearer we can't attack Hillary on her biggest weakness; corruption. Why? Because Trump gave her money.

56% of voters W I L L N E V E R vote for Trump

80% of hispanic voters W I L L N E V E R vote for Trump.

The guy cannot win. Only stupid people will vote for him in the primary.

If you vote for Trump, you're the reason we need so many warning labels on ladders.

Your stupidity will give the election to Hillary Clinton.

Wear your stupidity as a medal on your chest at Hillary's inauguration.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 12:13:07 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 12:09:27 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 10:43:00 AM
Trump will be our next President whether RINO's like you like it or not.

No he won't.

We're making the same mistake we made with Romney.

With Romney as the standardbearer we couldn't attack Obama on his biggest weakness; Obamacare.

With Trump as the standardbearer we can't attack Hillary on her biggest weakness; corruption. Why, because Trump gave her money.

56% of voters W I L L N E V E R vote for Trump

80% of hispanic voters W I L L N E V E R vote for Trump.

The guy cannot win. Only stupid people will vote for him in the primary.

Wear your stupidity as a medal on your chest at Hillary's inauguration.

Thanks bud, and when he wins the Presidency will you wear a sign that says "I'm so stupid I did not think Trump could really win", take a photo of it and post it here????? Because you really are dim witted. I suspect just bitter that you're losing the bet. Oh well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 26, 2016, 12:19:42 PM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 12:23:39 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 12:13:07 PM

I suspect just bitter that you're losing the bet. Oh well.

I haven't lost yet . . . . . . .

Bitter? Not hardly. I spend $300 on a box of cigars for a bachelor party this weekend.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 26, 2016, 12:26:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 12:09:27 PM

80% of hispanic voters W I L L N E V E R vote for Trump.

You are looking at 1 poll, taken at 1 point in time, and extrapolating it as a universal truth. I can't agree with that.

The Hispanics I know respect strength. Hillary comes across as a dumber and uglier Eva Peron.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 12:38:54 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 26, 2016, 12:26:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 12:09:27 PM

80% of hispanic voters W I L L N E V E R vote for Trump.

You are looking at 1 poll, taken at 1 point in time, and extrapolating it as a universal truth. I can't agree with that.

The Hispanics I know respect strength. Hillary comes across as a dumber and uglier Eva Peron.

Polls for anyone other than Trump don't mean a thing. He's a tornado force of change which has been much needed. The sooner the better. IOW polls are for chumps waiting to get Trumped. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 26, 2016, 01:39:06 PM

LOL Latest Bloomberg Poll has Mr. Trump running the SEC Super Tuesday table...
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-02-25/bloomberg-politics-super-tuesday-sec-primary-republican-poll

For Texas well known Reverend Jeffers gave Mr. Trump an impassioned endorsement today in Ft. Worth:

"I know Mr. Trump loves our country and our people.

Christians will have a real friend in the White House."

Huuuuuge Evangelical Endorsement deep in the Heart of Texas!!!

This is now real MOMENTUM and the Trump train now has a full head of steam and rolling hot hard and heavy!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 03:05:55 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on February 26, 2016, 01:39:06 PM

LOL Latest Bloomberg Poll has Mr. Trump running the SEC Super Tuesday table...

The banzai charge of stupidity continues . . . . . . . .

A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary Clinton

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 03:20:58 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 03:05:55 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on February 26, 2016, 01:39:06 PM
LOL Latest Bloomberg Poll has Mr. Trump running the SEC Super Tuesday table...

The banzai charge of stupidity continues . . . . . . . .

A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary Clinton

After Trump wins the nomination (100% inevitable) and after you pay me the $300 I will give you even money on a small bet that Trump will beat whoever the Democratic nominee is (don't ask me for a large bet -- I simply would feel guilty about taking too much of your money).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 03:22:35 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 03:05:55 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on February 26, 2016, 01:39:06 PM
LOL Latest Bloomberg Poll has Mr. Trump running the SEC Super Tuesday table...

The banzai charge of stupidity continues . . . . . . . .

A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary Clinton

PS...Is Chris Christy also stupid??? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 04:06:36 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 03:22:35 PM

PS...Is Chris Christy also stupid??? :laugh:

Apparently . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 04:08:17 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 03:20:58 PM

After Trump wins the nomination (100% inevitable) and after you pay me the $300 I will give you even money on a small bet that Trump will beat whoever the Democratic nominee is (don't ask me for a large bet -- I simply would feel guilty about taking too much of your money).

Don't be such a cheapskate pussy. Give me a chance to win my money back. Double or nothing. I'll that that bet right now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on February 26, 2016, 04:37:25 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 12:09:27 PM

80% of hispanic voters W I L L N E V E R vote for Trump.

I do not where you get this idea. It is not true. Many legal Hispanics are tired off getting ripped of by illegals, their gangs, drug trade and other problems. In Nevada Trump won over 40 per cent of the Hispanic vote. Texas is Crus home state which we are very Hispanic. Cruz, a Hispanic, may not even win this home state. It is too close to call. The numbers you quote may have been right at one time but they have changed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 26, 2016, 05:05:22 PM

Latest poll from Quinnipiac has Trump beating Rubio in Florida by a lot. The race is not even close. The Florida primary is March 15.

If Rubio were to lose Florida could he continue? I don't think so.

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/25/11112928/rubio-trump-poll-florida

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on February 26, 2016, 08:02:25 PM

I know that have been writing about Trump winning and that is because I believe he is winning. Still I am not all that excited about him. Their have just been too many law suites against him for things he did that are marginal. This is one example.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-university%e2%80%99s-checkered-past-haunting-candidate/ar-BBq3xGR?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 26, 2016, 08:34:05 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on February 26, 2016, 08:02:25 PM

I know that have been writing about Trump winning and that is because I believe he is winning. Still I am not all that excited about him. Their have just been too many law suites against him for things he did that are marginal. This is one example.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-university%e2%80%99s-checkered-past-haunting-candidate/ar-BBq3xGR?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

It's hard to judge the merits of a lawsuit unless you know all the facts and the law. I'd imagine a man as wealthy as Trump would have been sued more than a few times after 40+ years in business.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 26, 2016, 08:44:02 PM

Wait until President Trump gets briefed on the TR-3B and the much more advanced TAW-50 Fleet...

http://www.metatech.org/wp/ufos/secret-government-anti-gravity-fleet/

ISIS is vaporized and Iran and their Chinese and Russian allies will shite themselves...

Basically obsoletes our Drones except for perhaps drone versions of same...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 09:44:21 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on February 26, 2016, 04:37:25 PM

I do not where you get this idea. It is not true. Many legal Hispanics are tired off getting ripped of by illegals, their gangs, drug trade and other problems. In Nevada Trump won over 40 per cent of the Hispanic vote. Texas is Crus home state which we are very Hispanic. Cruz, a Hispanic, may not even win this home state. It is too close to call. The numbers you quote may have been right at one time but they have changed.

The woman from the Spanish international television quoted it in the debate Thursday

The sample of Hispanics in Nevada voting was less than 800. Not statistically significant.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 10:07:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 04:08:17 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 03:20:58 PM
After Trump wins the nomination (100% inevitable) and after you pay me the $300 I will give you even money on a small bet that Trump will beat whoever the Democratic nominee is (don't ask me for a large bet -- I simply would feel guilty about taking too much of your money).

Don't be such a cheapskate pussy. Give me a chance to win my money back. Double or nothing. I'll that that bet right now.

Nope. Sorry, not going to happen.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 10:13:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 09:44:21 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on February 26, 2016, 04:37:25 PM
I do not where you get this idea. It is not true. Many legal Hispanics are tired off getting ripped of by illegals, their gangs, drug trade and other problems. In Nevada Trump won over 40 per cent of the Hispanic vote. Texas is Crus home state which we are very Hispanic. Cruz, a Hispanic, may not even win this home state. It is too close to call. The numbers you quote may have been right at one time but they have changed.

The woman from the Spanish international television quoted it in the debate Thursday

The sample of Hispanics in Nevada voting was less than 800. Not statistically significant.

People who don't vote are even less "statistically significant". :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 26, 2016, 10:14:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 09:44:21 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on February 26, 2016, 04:37:25 PM
I do not where you get this idea. It is not true. Many legal Hispanics are tired off getting ripped of by illegals, their gangs, drug trade and other problems. In Nevada Trump won over 40 per cent of the Hispanic vote. Texas is Crus home state which we are very Hispanic. Cruz, a Hispanic, may not even win this home state. It is too close to call. The numbers you quote may have been right at one time but they have changed.

The woman from the Spanish international television quoted it in the debate Thursday

The sample of Hispanics in Nevada voting was less than 800. Not statistically significant.

Shakey been to Florida a few times. Lots of Hispanics there, especially Cubans. Florida's favourite son, Rubio, is currently losing big time to Trump in a recent poll. I'm willing to bet a few Hispanics were called during the poll and some must have voted for Trump over Rubio and Cruz.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 10:27:25 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on February 26, 2016, 10:14:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 09:44:21 PM
Quote from: Texan77 on February 26, 2016, 04:37:25 PM
I do not where you get this idea. It is not true. Many legal Hispanics are tired off getting ripped of by illegals, their gangs, drug trade and other problems. In Nevada Trump won over 40 per cent of the Hispanic vote. Texas is Crus home state which we are very Hispanic. Cruz, a Hispanic, may not even win this home state. It is too close to call. The numbers you quote may have been right at one time but they have changed.

The woman from the Spanish international television quoted it in the debate Thursday

The sample of Hispanics in Nevada voting was less than 800. Not statistically significant.

Shakey been to Florida a few times. Lots of Hispanics there, especially Cubans. Florida's favourite son, Rubio, is currently losing big time to Trump in a recent poll. I'm willing to bet a few Hispanics were called during the poll and some must have voted for Trump over Rubio and Cruz.

Some legal Hispanics are even more outspoken than Trump about illegals. This notion that Hispanics are monolithic in their voting is redonkulous.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 26, 2016, 10:53:50 PM

Rubio being in the "gang of eight" doesn't help with the established Hispanics that are tired of all the nonsense the illegals bring with them. It is like Chris Rock in his comedy routine some years back saying he would like to join the KKK and do a driveway shooting from "here to Brooklyn." They know what wusses and sell-outs some of these Republicans are.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: mhr7 on February 27, 2016, 02:15:03 AM

Quote

More Floridians think Rubio should drop out of the race (44 percent) than think he should stay in (40 percent)

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_FL_22516.pdf

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 27, 2016, 04:32:39 AM

Here is the inside scoop

A group of billionaires and millionaires recently met. They created a war chest of 75 million to stop Trump. About 25 million will be spent on attack ads against him in Florida. If Rubio doesn't win and catch fire with the people then Mitt Romney will step in and declare his candidacy. The Powers That Be will make sure he is very well funded. Romney's their hope. The election steal will be completed later at the convention.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 27, 2016, 05:58:09 AM

GAWD....

Why does it take you yanks so long to find and elect another idiot...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 27, 2016, 06:51:46 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 10:07:41 PM

Nope. Sorry, not going to happen.

That says a lot about you as a person, and it's not good.

Give up looking for women from the FSU if $300 means so much to you.

You're not capitalized well enough to play that game.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on February 27, 2016, 07:32:49 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2016, 09:44:21 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on February 26, 2016, 04:37:25 PM
I do not where you get this idea. It is not true. Many legal Hispanics are tired off getting ripped of by illegals, their gangs, drug trade and other problems. In Nevada Trump won over 40 per cent of the Hispanic vote. Texas is Crus home state which we are very Hispanic. Cruz, a Hispanic, may not even win this home state. It is too close to call. The numbers you quote may have been right at one time but they have changed.

The woman from the Spanish international television quoted it in the debate Thursday

The sample of Hispanics in Nevada voting was less than 800. Not statistically significant.

One I think she is wrong. 800 is enough if the sample is really taken randomly. But you have to know Nevada, Texas, and Florida all have large Spanish speaking populations and he is running strong in all there states. Telemundo TV and Trump are having an out right war. So of course, she would not want to admit they are wrong about the Hispanic vote. They are the one that said Trump would be lucky to get 20 per cent of the Hispanic vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on February 27, 2016, 07:37:36 AM

Quote from: Maxx on February 27, 2016, 04:32:39 AM

Here is the inside scoop

A group of billionaires and millionaires recently met. They created a war chest of 75 million to stop Trump. About 25 million will be spent on attack ads against him in Florida. If Rubio doesn't win and catch fire with the people then Mitt Romney will step in and declare his candidacy. The Powers That Be will make sure he is very well funded. Romney's their hope. The election steal will be completed later at the convention.

If they cheat him out of the election, Trump would likely run as an independent and I would not be surprise if he won.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 27, 2016, 08:23:41 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on February 27, 2016, 07:37:36 AM

If they cheat him out of the election, Trump would likely run as an independent and I would not be surprise if he won.

You know, you might have something there.

If Trump as an independent could control the same 34-40% of the vote, his best chance to win might be running as an independent.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 27, 2016, 08:35:41 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 27, 2016, 06:51:46 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 26, 2016, 10:07:41 PM

Nope. Sorry, not going to happen.

That says a lot about you as a person, and it's not good.

Give up looking for women from the FSU if $300 means so much to you.

You're not capitalized well enough to play that game.

Nice try. Insults from you don't work on me. I've already won and I'm happy with that.

I don't need to go to Moscow to get a BJ in a restroom stall. I prefer something more classy than that. :-*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 27, 2016, 08:38:56 AM

You know, Romney has a point.

No doubt Trump's tax returns hold surprises.

The IRS has a rule that if an audit shows a result of "zero" tax owed, then the IRS will not audit them again for two years.

Apparently, if Trump has been audited for 12 years in a row as he claims, then he hasn't been paying all his taxes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 27, 2016, 08:40:23 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 27, 2016, 08:35:41 AM

I don't need to go to Moscow to get a BJ in a restroom stall. I prefer something more classy than that. :-*

I'd say the overwhelming odds are you've NEVER had a blow job before, at least from a woman. . . . . . . .

LOL! Anticipating my first Quote of the Week nomination :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 27, 2016, 10:20:34 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 27, 2016, 08:40:23 AM

Quote from: Anteros on February 27, 2016, 08:35:41 AM
I don't need to go to Moscow to get a BJ in a restroom stall. I prefer something more classy than that. :-*

I'd say the overwhelming odds are you've NEVER had a blow job before, at least from a woman. . . . . . . .

LOL! Anticipating my first Quote of the Week nomination :thumbsup:

That was pretty funny! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 27, 2016, 10:31:18 AM

Bill Clinton catching hell about Hillary from a Marine and a woman about Bengazi.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 27, 2016, 10:35:13 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 27, 2016, 08:23:41 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on February 27, 2016, 07:37:36 AM
If they cheat him out of the election, Trump would likely run as an independent and I would not be surprise if he won.

You know, you might have something there.

If Trump as an independent could control the same 34-40% of the vote, his best chance to win might be running as an independent.

REUTERS ROLLING: TRUMP 44.2%, CRUZ 20.7%, RUBIO 14.0%... MORE...
http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR130/filters/PARTY_ID_:2/dates/20160221-20160226/type/day

Inside Republican Party's Desperate Mission to Stop Trump...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-party.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 27, 2016, 10:56:49 AM

This may seem apropos of nothing, however, I think it applies as a useful example:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/12175813/Tony-Blair-accused-of-conspiracy-over-mass-immigration.html

Blair was a member of the political elite who pushed mass immigration into Britain. And many Brits were rightly angry over it.

In the USA we have many political elites who have been pushing mass immigration into the USA. And many Americans are/were rightly angry over it.

Immigration will be a key, key issue in this election. And I am willing to bet that Trump will "go there" and use Blair as an example of a scumbag politician who betrayed his people.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 27, 2016, 11:05:47 AM

I'd be surprised if almost any individual of high wealth, of the scale reputed by the media as Trump's, with multiple revenue streams, would have an audit where there was not some disagreement between the tax auditor (IRS) and the individual. Even an uncomplicated bloke like me would likely find that to be the case because many matters regarding taxation are, in the final analysis, a matter of opinion. it is why we employ accountants to advise us on tax matters and to prepare tax returns.

Our advisers advise they do not give official rulings on matters of tax avoidance or minimisation - only the benefit of their understanding of the law and of custom and practice.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 27, 2016, 12:33:27 PM

The establishment is getting desperate

From Politico

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-27%20at%2011.25.01%20PM_zpskk1kacm9.png)

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/doors-gop-consulting-independent-219859

Quote

By July 15, the independent candidate would need more than 460,000 voter signatures to make the ballot in 11 states. Assuming an April 1 start date, the campaign would have to gather 4,345 valid signatures per day to maintain a steady pace.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/doors-gop-consulting-independent-219859#ixzz41Om5rULX

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 27, 2016, 04:49:40 PM

Now we know why Ted Cruz is falling behind Rubio and far behind Trump, some Americans believe that Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac_Killer) One poll has 38%of Floridians believing Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer.

To clarify they mean the serial killer that stalked northern California and killed at least 5 people in the late 60s and early 70s. The Zodiac Killer was never caught. If he's still alive he'd have to be in his mid 60s or older. Cruz is 45 and was born in Canada, meaning at least at an early age he was a great guy.

(https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/xDDHGtv6GJhiinsaBSx9xw--/aD0zOTQ7dz02NDA7c209MTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en-US/homerun/mic_26/3c4870c08b2115098859c87954cf786e)
Cruz on the left. Sketch of the Zodiac Killer on right

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nearly-40-florida-voters-agree-174300133.html
http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2016/02/26/Poll-38-of-Florida-voters-believe-Ted-Cruz-could-be-the-Zodiac-Killer/4771456519542/
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_FL_22516.pdf

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 27, 2016, 06:13:49 PM

Somebody is still very bitter. :Zzzzsleep:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 27, 2016, 10:13:31 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 27, 2016, 10:35:13 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 27, 2016, 08:23:41 AM
Quote from: Texan77 on February 27, 2016, 07:37:36 AM
If they cheat him out of the election, Trump would likely run as an independent and I would not be surprise if he won.

You know, you might have something there.

If Trump as an independent could control the same 34-40% of the vote, his best chance to win might be running as an independent.

REUTERS ROLLING: TRUMP 44.2%, CRUZ 20.7%, RUBIO 14.0%... MORE...
http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TR130/filters/PARTY_ID_:2/dates/20160221-20160226/type/day

Inside Republican Party's Desperate Mission to Stop Trump...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-party.html

Maxx you beat me to it - got to love Reuters BRILLIANT analysis as our Brit friends would say.

Nice Graph on that web link hmm looks like Mr. Trumps momentum is in fact growing more positive each day.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 27, 2016, 10:29:05 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 27, 2016, 11:05:47 AM

I'd be surprised if almost any individual of high wealth, of the scale reputed by the media as Trump's, with multiple revenue streams, would have an audit where there was not some disagreement between the tax auditor (IRS) and the individual. Even an uncomplicated bloke like me would likely find that to be the case because many matters regarding taxation are, in the final analysis, a matter of opinion. it is why we employ accountants to advise us on tax matters and to prepare tax returns.

Our advisers advise they do not give official rulings on matters of tax avoidance or minimisation - only the benefit of their understanding of the law and of custom and practice.

Sir Andrew lord of AFI - Brilliant Post! Furthermore the results of priors years audits affect carry overs into the current years tax returns therefore Trump is correct he can't complete the current year until the Audit results are in and if any upwards tax adjustments are made they are still deductible as taxes paid. Keep in mind the USA's IRS Federal Tax code runs nearly 80,000 pages. Most tax professionals use AI or intelligent software analysis to optimize this Byzantine tax code and you can use the same software with the same input data and achieve radically different results. Mr. Trump's Organization is essentially the equivalent of a Fortune 1,000 firm with interests around the Globe. His returns printed is a stack over 3 feet high.

Now a useful visual:

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 27, 2016, 10:39:56 PM

Hmmm incredible how far up their collective arses are the heads of the New York Times owned by Mexico's own Global Elitist mega Billionaire Carlos Phat "Slim" Helu:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-party.html?_r=0

The scenario Karl Rove outlined was bleak.

Addressing a luncheon of Republican governors and donors in Washington on Feb. 19, he warned that Donald J. Trump’s increasingly likely nomination would be catastrophic, dooming the party in November. But Mr. Rove, the master strategist of George W. Bush’s campaigns, insisted it was not too late for them to stop Mr. Trump, according to three people present.

At a meeting of Republican governors the next morning, Paul R. LePage of Maine called for action. Seated at a long boardroom table at the Willard Hotel, he erupted in frustration over the state of the 2016 race, saying Mr. Trump’s nomination would deeply wound the Republican Party. Mr. LePage urged the governors to draft an open letter “to the people,” disavowing Mr. Trump and his divisive brand of politics.

The suggestion was not taken up. Since then, Mr. Trump has only gotten stronger, winning two more state contests and collecting the endorsement of Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey.

Now consider this:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/26/politics/paul-lepage-donald-trump-endorsement/index.html

Maine Gov. Paul LePage endorses Trump for president

By Ashley Young, CNN

Updated 9:19 PM ET, Fri February 26, 2016

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 28, 2016, 02:55:37 AM

I seen this in messages to a news article.

So who hates Trump?

The Republican establishment

The Democrat establishment

The global elite

The media

The PC Police

The Corrupt Mexican government

The Corrupt Chinese government

Shakespear and TomT ( < mine) ;D

Who likes Trump?

The American People.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 28, 2016, 03:05:08 AM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-02-28%20at%202.00.25%20PM_zpsgaqiepdl.png)

HOUSTON—Responding to moderator Wolf Blitzer’s question about why voters who look at him are overwhelmed with feelings of intense aggravation and disgust, presidential candidate Ted Cruz provided a comprehensive outline during Thursday night’s GOP debate laying out exactly why his face is so :censored: ing infuriating. “Ever since I was a child, I have had a weaselly, piece-of-sh!t face that you can’t help but want to hit, and that’s never changed—how many other candidates on this stage can say that?” said Cruz, adding that oftentimes when he looks in the mirror, even he wants to drive a screwdriver through his eyes so he never has to see his stupid, boxy head and waggling, doughy chin ever again. “Let me be clear: When voters look at my shit-eating, smug-as- :censored: smirk, they can’t help but want to wipe it off by grabbing me by my waxy hair and smashing my face repeatedly into a tabletop. I believe that’s something every American can agree on.” At press time, Cruz’s explanation was cut off by Donald Trump loudly claiming that none of the other candidates’ faces could even come close to how leathery and enraging his is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on February 28, 2016, 09:59:39 AM

Donald's come back. He does not outright say it here but it looks to me like he is strongly implying if he does not win he will run independent. He says he signed pledge but republican party not up holding their part of pledge and treating him unfairly.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/trump-says-republican-party-is-not-treating-me-right/vi-BBq7iDp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 28, 2016, 10:29:08 AM

"POLITICS PREV NEXT
Mitch McConnell Says Republicans Will Drop Donald Trump ‘Like A Hot Rock’ If He Wins GOP Nomination
by Rickey Yaneza on February 27, 2016 at 5:05 pm
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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has assured Senate candidates running for reelection that they can run ads against Donald Trump even if he wins the GOP nomination for president.

According to the New York Times, senators attending private lunches with the Majority Leader have been advised to take the position that Donald Trump will lose badly in the general election and should prepare themselves for a Hillary Clinton presidency.

Source: Reuters
Source: Reuters
Looks like McConnell is conceding the nomination to Trump, but won’t give him any support in November. He is telling other senators that this is OK:

While still hopeful that Mr. Rubio might prevail, Mr. McConnell has begun preparing senators for the prospect of a Trump nomination, assuring them that, if it threatened to harm them in the general election, they could run negative ads about Mr. Trump to create space between him and Republican senators seeking re-election. Mr. McConnell has raised the possibility of treating Mr. Trump’s loss as a given and describing a Republican Senate to voters as a necessary check on a President Hillary Clinton, according to senators at the lunches.

He has reminded colleagues of his own 1996 re-election campaign, when he won comfortably amid President Bill Clinton’s easy re-election. Of Mr. Trump, Mr. McConnell has said, “We’ll drop him like a hot rock,” according to his colleagues.

McConnell is not alone in his plans to dump Trump. A lot of GOP leaders are in “full panic mode.” From Raw Story:"

IN OTHER WORDS the GOP would rather have Hillary

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on February 28, 2016, 10:33:43 AM

Does it really matter who wins the next election? its just business anyway, they (The President) is the business and your just the chicken shit to be thrown a few scraps of chicken feed ( the extra day holiday, the slightly higher pension, slightly better health insurance ) all of which you will have to get down on your knees for as well as working like a dog all your life!
Mean while as usual the President will be laughing at you whilst he prepares to line his/her pockets and all friends)

Think of it like a meeting with a FSU women who speaks no English so you need a translator, they will be laughing at ;D Its the same for the President .. your just a cog in the machine , nothing more. A piece of shit to be more precise.

Think different! DO NOT VOTE :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 28, 2016, 10:34:31 AM

Quote from: Maxx on February 28, 2016, 02:55:37 AM

Shakespear and TomT ( < mine) ;D

I think that Donald's beady little eyes, peering through tunnels in slabs of shapeless fat, are very cute. If we elected presidents based on attractiveness, we would elect mindless and perpetually confused Rubio, though.

Of course, thinking of a woman as nothing more than "a beautiful piece of ass" resonates with MOBers, so he has that demographic all locked up. (It's exactly the same mentality.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 28, 2016, 10:41:33 AM

Quote from: Maxx on February 28, 2016, 10:29:08 AM

Hillary

From an outsiders point of view, if you elect her, start praying...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 28, 2016, 11:44:46 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 28, 2016, 10:34:31 AM

Quote from: Maxx on February 28, 2016, 02:55:37 AM
Shakespear and TomT ( < mine) ;D

I think that Donald's beady little eyes, peering through tunnels in slabs of shapeless fat, are very cute. If we elected presidents based on attractiveness, we would elect mindless and perpetually confused Rubio, though.

Of course, thinking of a woman as nothing more than "a beautiful piece of ass" resonates with MOBers, so he has that demographic all locked up. (It's exactly the same mentality.)

All will be forgiven if he builds a wall and deportation or self-deportation begins.

Kind of like a guy can end up with a gold-digger but if a great kid results, it's still OK.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 28, 2016, 01:50:22 PM

^^ Here is your chance to attend a Trump rally in Columbus, OH

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/donald-j-trump-in-columbus-oh-tickets-22295028029

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 28, 2016, 01:52:07 PM

No, you are wrong. Not voting Republican is a vote for the Democratic party.

What you are proposing to do (not vote at all if Trump is the Republican nominee) is a vote for the Democrat candidate.

Voting for the Republican candidate in the presidential election simply can not be a vote for the opposition.

If you don't get why that is so try making marks on a piece of paper showing each possibility available to you as a voter and see what happens.

From everything you are writing at the moment it seems that you, a Republican, would prefer to see a Democrat president rather than a Republican one - if the name of the Republican candidate is Trump.

Why would you prefer to see a Democrat president than Trump?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 28, 2016, 02:02:33 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 28, 2016, 01:52:07 PM

No, you are wrong. Not voting Republican is a vote for the Democratic party.
Voting for the Republican candidate in the presidential election simply can not be a vote for the opposition.

No YOU are wrong.

Voting for a candidate in a primary election that CANNOT win the general election is like voting for the other party in the general election. You generally are a pretty smart guy Andrewfi. It surprises me that you can't grasp this simple concept.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 28, 2016, 02:07:31 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 28, 2016, 11:44:46 AM

All will be forgiven if he builds a wall and deportation or self-deportation begins.

Kind of like a guy can end up with a gold-digger but if a great kid results, it's still OK.

He's not going to get the opportunity to build a wall

He won't get 30% of the vote in a general election.

Republican Congress leaders are already making plans on how they can stall Hillary for 4 years until the next election.

A vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary. Period. End of discussion.

Cuffy, you, Anteros and those low information voters like you should feel really proud of putting Hillary in the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 28, 2016, 02:14:10 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 28, 2016, 02:02:33 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 28, 2016, 01:52:07 PM
No, you are wrong. Not voting Republican is a vote for the Democratic party.
Voting for the Republican candidate in the presidential election simply can not be a vote for the opposition.

No YOU are wrong.

Voting for a candidate in a primary election that CANNOT win the general election is like voting for the other party in the general election. You generally are a pretty smart guy Andrewfi. It surprises me that you can't grasp this simple concept.

You are stating this as a fact. Yet, it is something that is directly unknowable. The election is what, 8 months away at this point?

I will make predictions:

1. Trump will get equivalent numbers to Romney, or better; at a MINIMUM.

2. He will gain greater than 25% of the Hispanic vote (I mean, of Hispanic voters that actually vote).

3. Immigration will increase in importance to the voters, from what it is today.

(This is an easy one, because during the summer the EU will again be flooded with rapeyougees and there will be 10-20 Cologne-like incidents at a minimum.)

I am not going to predict that he wins the election (because I won't claim full prescience), though I *guess* that he will, unless the GOP decides that this is the year they will deep-dive into full irrelevance by trying to betray the same guy that they made sign a "no 3rd party" pledge.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 28, 2016, 02:22:46 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 28, 2016, 02:14:10 PM

1. Trump will get equivalent numbers to Romney, or better; at a MINIMUM.

Romney lost by 4 points.

56% of registered voters have said they would NEVER vote for Donald Trump.

The math is pretty elementary and clear . . . . . . .

:nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 28, 2016, 02:27:10 PM

You keep talking as if you've got the World's best crystal ball which you don't. Your animus against Trump and his supporters is so great that you cannot comprehend what's going on and it's affecting your judgement.

Trump is going to destroy H. Clinton. It won't even be close. You are a RINO and you're disloyal to the Party.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 28, 2016, 02:30:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 28, 2016, 02:22:46 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 28, 2016, 02:14:10 PM

1. Trump will get equivalent numbers to Romney, or better; at a MINIMUM.

Romney lost by 4 points.

56% of registered voters have said they would NEVER vote for Donald Trump.

The math is pretty elementary and clear . . . . . . .

:nod:

You are quoting polls of small numbers of people which are easily manipulated. You are part of the corrupt old wing of the Party which continually attempts to deceive people and strike fear into their hearts. The people who will do the actual voting are not listening to you and your ilk nor do they care about your opinions which are a deliberate false narrative.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 28, 2016, 02:33:22 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 28, 2016, 02:27:10 PM

You keep talking as if you've got the World's best crystal ball which you don't. Your animus against Trump and his supporters is so great that you cannot comprehend what's going on and it's affecting your judgement.

Trump is going to destroy H. Clinton. It won't even be close. You are a RINO and you're disloyal to the Party.

I never figured that Republican voters would be so blind to Trump's incompetence.

I underestimated their frustration with Washington. I never figured they'd be willing to let a Democrat win the election to make their point.

But I do know that the American public isn't going to vote that carnival barker in the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 28, 2016, 02:33:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 28, 2016, 02:22:46 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 28, 2016, 02:14:10 PM

1. Trump will get equivalent numbers to Romney, or better; at a MINIMUM.

Romney lost by 4 points.

56% of registered voters have said they would NEVER vote for Donald Trump.

The math is pretty elementary and clear . . . . . . .

:nod:

I'll stand by my predictions... and registered voter turnout is not equal to "who actually shows up to vote", as you know.

And now we are just repeating ourselves, as I said up-thread, Hillary is also over 50% unfavorable

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/clinton_favorableunfavorable-1131.html

So what will happen? Nobody will become Prez?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 28, 2016, 02:42:19 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 28, 2016, 02:33:59 PM

And now we are just repeating ourselves, as I said up-thread, Hillary is also over 50% unfavorable

And as I explained to you upthread,

"unfavorable" isn't as condemning as "would never vote for"

The only way Trump beats Clinton is if the Attorney General indicts her. That's not going to happen.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 28, 2016, 02:49:00 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 28, 2016, 02:27:10 PM

You keep talking as if you've got the World's best crystal ball which you don't. Your animus against Trump and his supporters is so great that you cannot comprehend what's going on and it's affecting your judgement.

Trump is going to destroy H. Clinton. It won't even be close. You are a RINO and you're disloyal to the Party.

Trump's supporters are ignorant mindless fools.

They are ignoring the the numerous fatal flaws of their candidate of which they've been made painfully aware in order to make their point. It's a banzai charge be responsible for the demise of the Republican Party, Hillary Clinton in the White House and change the balance of the Supreme Court for the next 25 years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 28, 2016, 02:54:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 28, 2016, 02:42:19 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 28, 2016, 02:33:59 PM
And now we are just repeating ourselves, as I said up-thread, Hillary is also over 50% unfavorable

And as I explained to you upthread,

"unfavorable" isn't as condemning as "would never vote for"

The only way Trump beats Clinton is if the Attorney General indicts her. That's not going to happen.

So find me a poll with the exact same verbiage for both Trump and Hillary, then. I am not able to find it, maybe you have better links.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 28, 2016, 02:58:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 28, 2016, 02:49:00 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 28, 2016, 02:27:10 PM
You keep talking as if you've got the World's best crystal ball which you don't. Your animus against Trump and his supporters is so great that you cannot comprehend what's going on and it's affecting your judgement.

Trump is going to destroy H. Clinton. It won't even be close. You are a RINO and you're disloyal to the Party.

Trump's supporters are ignorant mindless fools.

They are ignoring the the numerous fatal flaws of their candidate of which they've been made painfully aware in order to make their point. It's a banzai charge be responsible for the demise of the Republican Party, Hillary Clinton in the White House and change the balance of the Supreme Court for the next 25 years.

I won't call anyone disloyal, in the sense that each person should vote his/her conscience.

However, for over 20 years key issues like immigration have been ignored by the establishment, their do-nothing media consultants and others in the beltway consulting complex.

Is Jan Brewer, former AZ governor, ignorant and mindless? Is Christie?

If (as Drudge reports) Jeff Sessions endorses Trump, is he nothing but a low information endorser? Or are they all sellouts?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 28, 2016, 04:38:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 28, 2016, 02:49:00 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 28, 2016, 02:27:10 PM
You keep talking as if you've got the World's best crystal ball which you don't. Your animus against Trump and his supporters is so great that you cannot comprehend what's going on and it's affecting your judgement.

Trump is going to destroy H. Clinton. It won't even be close. You are a RINO and you're disloyal to the Party.

Trump's [insert Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Mitch McConnell or any other "establishment" figure here] supporters are ignorant mindless fools.

They are ignoring the the numerous fatal flaws of their candidate of which they've been made painfully aware in order to make their point. It's a banzai charge be responsible for the demise of the Republican Party, Hillary Clinton in the White House and change the balance of the Supreme Court for the next 25 years.

Here FTFY. The people have spoken and they don't want "establishment" Republicans who are almost one and the same as Hillary Clinton.

Trump will demolish her like in a demolition derby. She doesn't stand a chance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on February 28, 2016, 06:53:25 PM

Shakespear, Why don't you give us a link to these poles you keep quoting. I believe they are old poles that do not reflex the changes that have happen in the last few weeks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 28, 2016, 07:10:16 PM

Pictures of Trumps complete and total COMPETENCE around the Globe:

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 28, 2016, 08:41:06 PM

Post a few photos of old Poles, Shakey.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 28, 2016, 10:36:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 28, 2016, 02:49:00 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 28, 2016, 02:27:10 PM
You keep talking as if you've got the World's best crystal ball which you don't. Your animus against Trump and his supporters is so great that you cannot comprehend what's going on and it's affecting your judgement.

Trump is going to destroy H. Clinton. It won't even be close. You are a RINO and you're disloyal to the Party.

Trump's supporters are ignorant mindless fools.

It's a banzai charge be responsible for the demise of the Republican Party,

It needs to die and be replaced with a Nationalist party that puts the interests of Americans first and not the *"New World Order" Globalist "Free" ~~Traders~~ Traitors.

* G.H.Bush #41

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on February 28, 2016, 11:13:24 PM

Trump is a typical redneck.
I would not be surprised if he runs for President because his Redneck Empire runs out of money.
We are all pretty confident in redneck's ability to run.
Problem is that we never know where he is going to finish...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 29, 2016, 01:55:52 AM

One thing that Trump is not is a redneck. His family is wealthy, he comes from one of the northern states and his attitudes fit his origins.

Whilst one may not favour some of his rhetoric, or as others might have it, his marketing message one has to wonder why he is being criticised for wanting to reduce illegal immigration, for wanting to enforce border security and reduce the impact of the stupid system in the US of not allowing racial profiling.

Does any rational person here think that these are bad objectives?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 29, 2016, 09:58:40 AM

In one of the final polls before Super Tuesday, Trump is shown to have an even larger lead than before. Trump's lead is so large that his support tops that of his four remaining opponents combined. The businessman tops his nearest competitor by more than 30 points: 49% back Trump, 16% Marco Rubio, 15% Ted Cruz, 10% Ben Carson and 6% John Kasich.

Looks like there's going to be some renovations at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue come January 2017, Trump leads a lavish lifestyle and I doubt the current furnishings in the White House will live up to his expensive tastes. :laugh:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/donald-trump-just-soared-biggest-131541246.html

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/29/politics/trump-clinton-dominant-as-super-tuesday-looms/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 29, 2016, 10:04:29 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 28, 2016, 02:49:00 PM

Quote from: Anteros on February 28, 2016, 02:27:10 PM
You keep talking as if you've got the World's best crystal ball which you don't. Your animus against Trump and his supporters is so great that you cannot comprehend what's going on and it's affecting your judgement.

Trump is going to destroy H. Clinton. It won't even be close. You are a RINO and you're disloyal to the Party.

Trump's supporters are ignorant mindless fools.

Is Senator Jeff Sessions an "ignorant mindless fool"?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trump-gets-his-first-senate-endorsement-%E2%80%94-from-sen-jeff-sessions/ar-BBq7UG1?ocid=ansmsnnews11

The only "ignorant mindless fools" are those who claim Hillary will win but refuse to vote for the nominee if it's Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on February 29, 2016, 11:15:04 AM

Time to read the tea leaves and throw the fortune cookie kookiness aside...

Donal Trump CRUSHING SEC and Super Tuesday after Senator Session, Governor Christie, Governor LePage and Pastor Jeffers mega endorsements - Donald Trump to ROMP across the South and Little Liberal Massachusetts will chart a course for the white house for Mr. Trump:

Poll Trump Crudz CRudio Carson Kasich Spread

CNN/ORC 2/24 - 2/27 49 15 16 10 6 Trump +33

Trump also rumored to be BEATING Hitlery in New York State - DEMS and GOP Establishment both in UTTER PANIC MODE.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on February 29, 2016, 11:52:08 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on February 29, 2016, 11:15:04 AM

Time to read the tea leaves and throw the fortune cookie kookiness aside...

Donal Trump CRUSHING SEC and Super Tuesday after Senator Session, Governor Christie, Governor LePage and Pastor Jeffers mega endorsements - Donald Trump to ROMP across the South and Little Liberal Massachusetts will chart a course for the white house for Mr. Trump:

Poll Trump Crudz CRudio Carson Kasich Spread

CNN/ORC 2/24 - 2/27 49 15 16 10 6 Trump +33

Trump also rumored to be BEATING Hitlery in New York State - DEMS and GOP Establishment both in UTTER PANIC MODE.

The establishment wings of both parties are in panic mode because they're one and the same -- self-serving corrupt "elites" who have never served the people.

We can see this right here right now on this forum by the comments of one member in particular who wanted the Republicans to make some sort of nefarious deal with Obama for who would be the Supreme Court nominee.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: mhr7 on February 29, 2016, 02:23:47 PM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 29, 2016, 02:57:08 PM

Quote from: mhr7 on February 29, 2016, 02:23:47 PM

What guys like John Oliver don't seem to understand is the more they insult and criticise Trump the more supporters Trump gets. John Oliver is in effect helping Trump gather support and strengthening Trump's base.

Trump 2016 is inevitable.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on February 29, 2016, 06:05:09 PM

Trump presidency *might* mean better relations with Russia:

http://russialist.org/newswatch-trump-being-advised-by-ex-u-s-lieutenant-general-who-favors-closer-russia-ties-lieutenant-general-michael-flynn-reuters/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 29, 2016, 07:57:05 PM

Quote from: Slumba on February 29, 2016, 06:05:09 PM

Trump presidency *might* mean better relations with Russia:

http://russialist.org/newswatch-trump-being-advised-by-ex-u-s-lieutenant-general-who-favors-closer-russia-ties-lieutenant-general-michael-flynn-reuters/

There's been talk in the US, Canada and Mexico of changes to the free trade zone, maybe if Trump is elected he could talk Putin into joining NAFTA? (http://www.international.gc.ca/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/agr-acc/nafta-alena/index.aspx?lang=eng)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on February 29, 2016, 09:09:20 PM

Another big endorsement for Trump. NASCAR CEO Brian France and several notable drivers have pledged their support for Donald Trump as he seeks the Republican nomination.

Super Tuesday is tomorrow and a number of the primaries are in the American souteast. NASCAR is big business in the south east US.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/blogs/nascar-from-the-marbles/bill-elliott--brian-france--other-nascar-notables-endorse-trump-234855393.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 01, 2016, 01:01:51 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 29, 2016, 01:55:52 AM

One thing that Trump is not is a redneck. His family is wealthy, he comes from one of the northern states and his attitudes fit his origins.

Whilst one may not favour some of his rhetoric, or as others might have it, his marketing message one has to wonder why he is being criticised for wanting to reduce illegal immigration, for wanting to enforce border security and reduce the impact of the stupid system in the US of not allowing racial profiling.

Does any rational person here think that these are bad objectives?

Add to that implement a Fair trade regime that balances the $505 Billion China, $100 Billion Japan, $75 Billion Korea, $50 Billion Mexico, $100 Billion Saudi trade surpluses against the USA... which according to Bernie Sanders has resulted in the accelerated offshoring of 60,000 manufacturing companies and 60 Million jobs (1,000 average per company) since 2000.

And the Millennials Feeling the Bern wonder why the only jobs they can get are fast food and coffee shop jobs...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 01, 2016, 06:06:07 PM

Polls are just closing and already Trump is being declared the winner in Alabama, Massachusetts and Tennessee.

Hillary Clinton wins Alabama and Tennessee.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/super-tuesday-live-coverage-215227181.html

Edit: Missed that Trump has also won Georgia

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on March 01, 2016, 06:30:43 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 29, 2016, 01:55:52 AM

One thing that Trump is not is a redneck. His family is wealthy, he comes from one of the northern states and his attitudes fit his origins.

Even worse!!! :laugh:
Wealthy person with philosophy of redneck!!! :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 01, 2016, 06:55:41 PM

Quote from: Orchid on March 01, 2016, 06:30:43 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 29, 2016, 01:55:52 AM
One thing that Trump is not is a redneck. His family is wealthy, he comes from one of the northern states and his attitudes fit his origins.

Even worse!!! :laugh:
Wealthy person with philosophy of redneck!!! :ROFL: :ROFL:

It gives him "the common touch" ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 01, 2016, 07:47:51 PM

We should change Super Tuesday to Super Trumpday. Trump wins big, next is the White House in November.

http://q13fox.com/2016/03/01/super-trump-wins-georgia-clinton-wins-virginia-and-georgia-sanders-wins-vermont/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 01, 2016, 09:42:19 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 01, 2016, 06:55:41 PM

Quote from: Orchid on March 01, 2016, 06:30:43 PM
Quote from: andrewfi on February 29, 2016, 01:55:52 AM
One thing that Trump is not is a redneck. His family is wealthy, he comes from one of the northern states and his attitudes fit his origins.

Even worse!!! :laugh:
Wealthy person with philosophy of redneck!!! :ROFL: :ROFL:

It gives him "the common touch" ;D

There is a LOT of truth in that statement. For the record I like Trump. My hope and that is all we can ever have for a newly entering politician is that past all his flaws there is common sense put-America-first person. His being the first and only one to speak out against the trade policies of this (America) country was what sold me. I seen client after client go out of business after NAFTA, CAFTA and GAIT and knew many of their skilled employees out of work and unable to get jobs. I seen what all this did to my bottom line probably costing me millions of dollars in revenue. I seen typical Americans like we have here on this board totally unaware of what is happening in that segment of the economy. While the fat cats raked in the money while the middle the class shrunk and weakened. So along comes a man who FINALLY says something about this!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 01, 2016, 10:55:20 PM

Time to do the math:

This doesn't factor in minimum percentages so this is ultimately a floor for Trump and should be higher.

(note: AL = at large delegates)

Alabama: 25 (43.8% of 26 AL delegates and 2 out of 3 delegates in each of the 7 districts)
Arkansas: 15 (33% of 25 AL delegates and 2 out of 3 delegates in 3 of the 4 districts, 1 delegate in the 4th)
Georgia: 40 (38.9% of 31 AL delegates and 2 out of 3 delegates in all 14 districts)
Massachusetts: 19 (48.9% of 39 AL delegates)
Minnesota: 10 (21.2% of 11 AL delegates and 1 out of 3 delegates in all 8 districts)
Oklahoma: 12 (28.3% of 25 AL delegates and 1 out of 3 delegates in all 5 districts)
Tennessee: 29 (39% of 28 AL delegates and 2 out of 3 delegates in all 9 districts)
Texas: 48 (27.1% of 44 AL delegates and 1 out of 3 delegates in all 36 districts)
Vermont: 4 (32.5% of 13)
Virginia: 16 (34.7% of 46)

That adds up to 226 for the night by my count, or 308 total. Alabama, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont and Georgia all have 20% vote minimums so the delegates will be even more amplified for Trump as his vote proportionately increases.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 01, 2016, 10:59:31 PM

GOP gaining voters and DEMs losing voters - The People can't stand Hillary and as much as 20% of dems expected to CROSS OVER in the general election to vote for Mr. Trump.

Numbers do not lie:

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 01, 2016, 11:04:42 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 01, 2016, 10:59:31 PM

GOP gaining voters and DEMs losing voters - The People can't stand Hillary and as much as 20% of dems expected to CROSS OVER in the general election to vote for Mr. Trump.

Numbers do not lie:

(Attachment Link)

But they can be ignored by those who do not want to see the trend.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 12:11:24 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 01, 2016, 11:04:42 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 01, 2016, 10:59:31 PM
GOP gaining voters and DEMs losing voters - The People can't stand Hillary and as much as 20% of dems expected to CROSS OVER in the general election to vote for Mr. Trump.

Numbers do not lie:

(Attachment Link)

But they can be ignored by those who do not want to see the trend.

I don't think so Maxx, at least not in the long run. Trump's speech this evening was far more Presidential than before, and he made a point to say that he wants to be a unifier. The fact that more people are voting now than ever before and shows he has been very successful in expanding the Republican Party. We don't really need the jealous and negative "establishment" anymore. The more they try to knock him down, the more it helps him WIN, baby WIN! ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 02, 2016, 12:43:29 AM

Trump did great tonight and said he's going to concentrate on Florida. If Rubio loses Florida and Trump has another Tuesday like tonight, I don't see how Rubio can continue.

Then the GOP establishment has to get behind Cruz? However, the GOP establishment hates Cruz. Maybe more than they hate Trump?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 02, 2016, 12:57:58 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 12:11:24 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 01, 2016, 11:04:42 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on March 01, 2016, 10:59:31 PM
GOP gaining voters and DEMs losing voters - The People can't stand Hillary and as much as 20% of dems expected to CROSS OVER in the general election to vote for Mr. Trump.

Numbers do not lie:

(Attachment Link)

But they can be ignored by those who do not want to see the trend.

I don't think so Maxx, at least not in the long run. Trump's speech this evening was far more Presidential than before, and he made a point to say that he wants to be a unifier. The fact that more people are voting now than ever before and shows he has been very successful in expanding the Republican Party. We don't really need the jealous and negative "establishment" anymore. The more they try to knock him down, the more it helps him WIN, baby WIN! ;D

I agree with you. Thanks for mentioning the victory speech. I'll try to find a youtube of it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 08:32:39 AM

Interesting Analysis:

The brutal economic truth behind the rise of Trump:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/the-brutal-economic-truth-behind-the-rise-of-trump/ar-BBqeWfL?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=UP97DHP

The surprising enthusiasm for Democratic presidential challenger Bernie Sanders can also be explained by these dynamics -- especially his appeal to younger voters burdened by debts (mainly, student loans) and without the capital assets (homes, retirement accounts) needed to benefit from the Fed's asset inflation focus. He rails against Wall Street (the creditors). He rails against the rich (benefiting the most from the Fed). And he rails against corporate profits.

But where Sanders and Trump differs -- and why Trump has had more success -- is that their policy prescriptions are different.

Sanders wants to treat the symptoms with palliatives like increased taxes and regulation, using the power of the U.S. government to redistribute wealth from the rich and the corporate sector to poor and middle-income Americans at the risk of further damaging America's potential growth rate by reducing entrepreneurship and economic dynamism.

Trump is talking about attacking the root cause of the problem: Elevating free trade and corporate globalism over American nationalism and "fair" trade.

For all the looking-down-the-nose belittling of Trump supporters as low-information voters, they implicitly understand this profound truth and realize that -- with Establishment candidates in both political parties beholden to the status quo -- the ostentatious Manhattanite with ridiculous hair and no brain-to-mouth filter is best positioned to turn things around.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 02, 2016, 08:42:17 AM

It has been said of Putin that his success and popularity is rooted in a love of Russia that resonates with and is shared by the vast majority of Russians. One can have a great degree of tolerance if one understands that the guy absolutely shares one's own interests.

I think that a similar case can be made in respect of Trump. He speaks to matters that most American people find it easy to find agreement with. I think they understand that he does not know everything but that his core values align with theirs.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 09:31:43 AM

Fox News Wakes up and Smells the Coffee!

Trump is now unstoppable. It's game over for Cruz, Rubio, Kasich and Carson

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/03/02/trump-is-now-unstoppable-its-game-over-for-cruz-rubio-kasich-and-carson.html

Game over! This was a rout, America. Winning seven states and the vast majority of delegates is a landslide. Donald Trump and the millions of his supporters have changed American politics and the Republican Party for the foreseeable future.

The nomination is within his grasp and if he does what he said he would do Tuesday night: "[I will] be a unifier!" he may be a very viable candidate against Hillary Clinton in the fall.

After his victories Tuesday night in multiple states and his second place finish in others , Trump is in an unstoppable position. Whether the junior senators from Texas and Florida choose to pursue him, it doesn’t matter, the end is near.

Trump, who is an unconventional candidate, to say the least, has tapped into the anger and frustration across America and has mobilized voters to turn out in record numbers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 09:46:31 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 02, 2016, 08:42:17 AM

It has been said of Putin that his success and popularity is rooted in a love of Russia that resonates with and is shared by the vast majority of Russians. One can have a great degree of tolerance if one understands that the guy absolutely shares one's own interests.

I think that a similar case can be made in respect of Trump. He speaks to matters that most American people find it easy to find agreement with. I think they understand that he does not know everything but that his core values align with theirs.

Trump absolutely loves America, he wants a strong military and he loves our veterans, yet he's wise enough to see that continued war and instability in the Middle East is not the way to go. Of all the candidates I think he's the most likely one to ensure peace and stability around the World.

He is also the one who understands how to stop Corporate inversion, bring Trillions of dollars home and negotiate better trade deals with Mexico, China and Japan.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 10:22:41 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 09:31:43 AM

After his victories Tuesday night in multiple states and his second place finish in others , Trump is in an unstoppable position. Whether the junior senators from Texas and Florida choose to pursue him, it doesn’t matter, the end is near.

Trump, who is an unconventional candidate, to say the least, has tapped into the anger and frustration across America and has mobilized voters to turn out in record numbers.

It appears Trump will be the nominee recording less than 50% of support from Republican primary voters.

Congratulations now go to President Hillary Clinton who will beat Trump by 20 points because of the stupidity and low information stubbornness of a group of knuckleheads that lost sight of the primary objective of 2016; to beat Hillary Clinton.

In 2016 the Senate will go back to Democrat on Hillary's long coat tails. Thank God the House made themselves "bulletproof" with the redistricting of voting precincts in 2010. Hillary will pack the Supreme Court with at least two ultra liberal judges and change the direction of the court for the next 25 years. Goodbye handguns. Hello abortion on demand. Hello single payer healthcare. Hello to environmental instead of business concerns. Thanks guys. Thanks a bunch.

I'm afraid that Donald Trump will be reviled in conservative annals as the candidate that caused the USA to take a huge and irreversible step toward European Socialism.

I blame people like Cuffy and Anteros for buying the bullshit spewed by this low rent carnival barker and selling out to the Democrats. Thanks guys. Thanks a bunch. Loyal Conservative Republicans like me are trying to figure out how we can "run out the clock" with a slim House majority without any further harm to the Constitution until 2020 when we get the next chance to do it right and elect a true Conservative to the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 10:36:45 AM

Shakes you are having a emotional meltdown and you should probably stay in Moscow and enjoy life a bit until the elections are over as I am very concerned for your health both physical and mental - hate to see you get so overwrought that you suffer a stroke or major cardiac arrest. It is only an election for God's sake.

Christie is a former US Federal Prosecutor and he and Team Trump are just beginning to focus their energy on prosecuting a campaign against the Clinton's Crime Cabal.

Hillary is not nearly so anti-fragile as Trump and when the truth emerges of her multiple crimes, mishandling highly classified information, obstruction of justice, perjury, multiple counts of Conflict of Interest regarding the corrupt international bribery network known as the Clinton Global Initiative foundation the media feeding frenzy will begin.

Clinton has accepted $10 Million so far this year from the Anti-American open borders NGO backer George Soros flooding the EU with islamist radical rapeyougees.

The Clinton Crime Family will not win in November - the Koch Brothers have budgeted $750 Million to thwart the DEMS and in particular Hitlery. It is about to get very interesting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 10:54:56 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 10:36:45 AM

It is only an election for God's sake.

That's the problem, IT IS MORE THAN AN ELECTION!

This election is the turning point between socialism and Constitutionalism.

It is the most important election in my lifetime. It will set the direction of our country for the next 100 years.

I know how to read a poll. Much of Trump's support is coming from Democrats who are voting in Republican primaries for the easiest person for Hillary to beat. Their plan has been successful.

A vote for Trump in the Primary Election is a vote for Hillary in the General Election.

Thanks guys. Thanks a bunch.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 11:01:33 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 02, 2016, 08:42:17 AM

It has been said of Putin that his success and popularity is rooted in a love of Russia that resonates with and is shared by the vast majority of Russians. One can have a great degree of tolerance if one understands that the guy absolutely shares one's own interests.

I think that a similar case can be made in respect of Trump. He speaks to matters that most American people find it easy to find agreement with. I think they understand that he does not know everything but that his core values align with theirs.

The Globalists have had 50 years to gut the USA and destroy the American Dream and the Pendulum is swiftly swinging and now a vast army of Patriotic USA Nationalists are about to take over and Make America Great Again.

A simple concept and if the rabid right wing conservatives do not get on board they will be left behind and considered TRAITORS by men like me who are about to emerge victorious as the true American Patriots take power in a peaceful movement for a New American Century.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 11:09:18 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 10:54:56 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 10:36:45 AM
It is only an election for God's sake.

That's the problem, IT IS MORE THAN AN ELECTION!

This election is the turning point between socialism and Constitutionalism.

It is the most important election in my lifetime. It will set the direction of our country for the next 100 years.

I know how to read a poll. Much of Trump's support is coming from Democrats who are voting in Republican primaries for the easiest person for Hillary to beat. Their plan has been successful.

A vote for Trump in the Primary Election is a vote for Hillary in the General Election.

Thanks guys. Thanks a bunch.

Millions of us are NRA Members and veterans and are more than willing to die in defense of our country... if need be there will be a forceful enforcement of the LAW and the Clintons will be prosecuted for their many crimes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 02, 2016, 12:17:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 10:22:41 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 09:31:43 AM
After his victories Tuesday night in multiple states and his second place finish in others , Trump is in an unstoppable position. Whether the junior senators from Texas and Florida choose to pursue him, it doesn’t matter, the end is near.

Trump, who is an unconventional candidate, to say the least, has tapped into the anger and frustration across America and has mobilized voters to turn out in record numbers.

It appears Trump will be the nominee recording less than 50% of support from Republican primary voters.

Congratulations now go to President Hillary Clinton who will beat Trump by 20 points because of the stupidity and low information stubbornness of a group of knuckleheads that lost sight of the primary objective of 2016; to beat Hillary Clinton.

Ummm, yeah, about President Hillary : http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/democrats-on-donald-trump-threat-220118

You never answered why rubes like Cuffy and Anteros were joined by non-rubes like Senator Sessions and Chris Christie.

And bluntly, you still don't get it.

Immigration is the only issue for this election. Nothing. Else. Matters.

Yes, jobs/economy is somewhat important, but the broken-glass base that Trump has is with him over his stance on immigration.

"When the Saxon begins to hate" things will get ugly; ugly as in revolution-ugly.

Either the wall gets built and self-deportation (at a minimum) occurs, or we don't have a nation anymore. And men without a nation feel they have little to lose.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 12:38:55 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 10:22:41 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 09:31:43 AM
After his victories Tuesday night in multiple states and his second place finish in others , Trump is in an unstoppable position. Whether the junior senators from Texas and Florida choose to pursue him, it doesn’t matter, the end is near.

Trump, who is an unconventional candidate, to say the least, has tapped into the anger and frustration across America and has mobilized voters to turn out in record numbers.

It appears Trump will be the nominee recording less than 50% of support from Republican primary voters.

Congratulations now go to President Hillary Clinton who will beat Trump by 20 points because of the stupidity and low information stubbornness of a group of knuckleheads that lost sight of the primary objective of 2016; to beat Hillary Clinton.

In 2016 the Senate will go back to Democrat on Hillary's long coat tails. Thank God the House made themselves "bulletproof" with the redistricting of voting precincts in 2010. Hillary will pack the Supreme Court with at least two ultra liberal judges and change the direction of the court for the next 25 years. Goodbye handguns. Hello abortion on demand. Hello single payer healthcare. Hello to environmental instead of business concerns. Thanks guys. Thanks a bunch.

I'm afraid that Donald Trump will be reviled in conservative annals as the candidate that caused the USA to take a huge and irreversible step toward European Socialism.

I blame people like Cuffy and Anteros for buying the bullshit spewed by this low rent carnival barker and selling out to the Democrats. Thanks guys. Thanks a bunch. Loyal Conservative Republicans like me are trying to figure out how we can "run out the clock" with a slim House majority without any further harm to the Constitution until 2020 when we get the next chance to do it right and elect a true Conservative to the White House.

First of all you are NOT a loyal Republican, you're egotistical and spoiled and since you can't have your way -- you're going to take your ball and go home and not vote for the nominee. DISLOYAL.

It's fascinating that the Party demanded an oath of loyalty from Trump but now that he's the guy -- they are not coming together behind him -- instead they continue to go against the wishes of the people and they continue to attempt to divide the party.

Secondly Trump is going to beat Hillary Clinton resoundingly. Just as Jeb Bush was the supposed front runner of the Republican party, the naysayers and the media manipulate polls and claim that Hillary can beat Trump. It's not going to happen. Hillary is going to lose, and she's going to lose big. Just like Jeb fizzled out, so will Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 02, 2016, 12:39:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 10:54:56 AM

I know how to read a poll. Much of Trump's support is coming from Democrats who are voting in Republican primaries for the easiest person for Hillary to beat. Their plan has been successful.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory and we know those don't exist. No Shakey, those are Reagan Democrats who will hold their noses and vote for Trump because they know Hillary is beholden to the big banks. Heck she won't even release the transcripts of her speech for Goldman Sachs. If I know that I am sure they do too.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 12:41:07 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 02, 2016, 12:17:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 10:22:41 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 09:31:43 AM
After his victories Tuesday night in multiple states and his second place finish in others , Trump is in an unstoppable position. Whether the junior senators from Texas and Florida choose to pursue him, it doesn’t matter, the end is near.

Trump, who is an unconventional candidate, to say the least, has tapped into the anger and frustration across America and has mobilized voters to turn out in record numbers.

It appears Trump will be the nominee recording less than 50% of support from Republican primary voters.

Congratulations now go to President Hillary Clinton who will beat Trump by 20 points because of the stupidity and low information stubbornness of a group of knuckleheads that lost sight of the primary objective of 2016; to beat Hillary Clinton.

Ummm, yeah, about President Hillary : http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/democrats-on-donald-trump-threat-220118

You never answered why rubes like Cuffy and Anteros were joined by non-rubes like Senator Sessions and Chris Christie.

And bluntly, you still don't get it.

Immigration is the only issue for this election. Nothing. Else. Matters.

Yes, jobs/economy is somewhat important, but the broken-glass base that Trump has is with him over his stance on immigration.

"When the Saxon begins to hate" things will get ugly; ugly as in revolution-ugly.

Either the wall gets built and self-deportation (at a minimum) occurs, or we don't have a nation anymore. And men without a nation feel they have little to lose.

Who are you calling a rube? Take a look in the mirror bud. The number one issue is the economy, jobs and the trade deficit. Immigration is a very close second.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 02, 2016, 12:42:10 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 02, 2016, 12:17:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 10:22:41 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 09:31:43 AM
After his victories Tuesday night in multiple states and his second place finish in others , Trump is in an unstoppable position. Whether the junior senators from Texas and Florida choose to pursue him, it doesn’t matter, the end is near.

Trump, who is an unconventional candidate, to say the least, has tapped into the anger and frustration across America and has mobilized voters to turn out in record numbers.

It appears Trump will be the nominee recording less than 50% of support from Republican primary voters.

Congratulations now go to President Hillary Clinton who will beat Trump by 20 points because of the stupidity and low information stubbornness of a group of knuckleheads that lost sight of the primary objective of 2016; to beat Hillary Clinton.

Ummm, yeah, about President Hillary : http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/democrats-on-donald-trump-threat-220118

You never answered why rubes like Cuffy and Anteros were joined by non-rubes like Senator Sessions and Chris Christie.

And bluntly, you still don't get it.

Immigration is the only issue for this election. Nothing. Else. Matters.

Yes, jobs/economy is somewhat important, but the broken-glass base that Trump has is with him over his stance on immigration.

"When the Saxon begins to hate" things will get ugly; ugly as in revolution-ugly.

Either the wall gets built and self-deportation (at a minimum) occurs, or we don't have a nation anymore. And men without a nation feel they have little to lose.

Bringing back manufacturing is also important. I cannot see how a nation can remain strong if it is dependent on others for the creation of its goods.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 12:48:50 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 11:01:33 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 02, 2016, 08:42:17 AM
It has been said of Putin that his success and popularity is rooted in a love of Russia that resonates with and is shared by the vast majority of Russians. One can have a great degree of tolerance if one understands that the guy absolutely shares one's own interests.

I think that a similar case can be made in respect of Trump. He speaks to matters that most American people find it easy to find agreement with. I think they understand that he does not know everything but that his core values align with theirs.

The Globalists have had 50 years to gut the USA and destroy the American Dream and the Pendulum is swiftly swinging and now a vast army of Patriotic USA Nationalists are about to take over and Make America Great Again.

A simple concept and if the rabid right wing conservatives do not get on board they will be left behind and considered TRAITORS by men like me who are about to emerge victorious as the true American Patriots take power in a peaceful movement for a New American Century.

+1000.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 02, 2016, 12:55:12 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 12:41:07 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 02, 2016, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 10:22:41 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 09:31:43 AM
After his victories Tuesday night in multiple states and his second place finish in others , Trump is in an unstoppable position. Whether the junior senators from Texas and Florida choose to pursue him, it doesn’t matter, the end is near.

Trump, who is an unconventional candidate, to say the least, has tapped into the anger and frustration across America and has mobilized voters to turn out in record numbers.

It appears Trump will be the nominee recording less than 50% of support from Republican primary voters.

Congratulations now go to President Hillary Clinton who will beat Trump by 20 points because of the stupidity and low information stubbornness of a group of knuckleheads that lost sight of the primary objective of 2016; to beat Hillary Clinton.

Ummm, yeah, about President Hillary : http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/democrats-on-donald-trump-threat-220118

You never answered why rubes like Cuffy and Anteros were joined by non-rubes like Senator Sessions and Chris Christie.

And bluntly, you still don't get it.

Immigration is the only issue for this election. Nothing. Else. Matters.

Yes, jobs/economy is somewhat important, but the broken-glass base that Trump has is with him over his stance on immigration.

"When the Saxon begins to hate" things will get ugly; ugly as in revolution-ugly.

Either the wall gets built and self-deportation (at a minimum) occurs, or we don't have a nation anymore. And men without a nation feel they have little to lose.

Who are you calling a rube? Take a look in the mirror bud. The number one issue is the economy, jobs and the trade deficit. Immigration is a very close second.

I was referring to shakespear calling all those who support Trump as being low information voters (e.g. rubes).

The most passionate supporters of Trump are those on immigration. Morale with them is highest IMHO. And morale matters - it energizes people and causes them to do things to help their candidate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 02, 2016, 12:58:02 PM

Carson says he sees no way forward for his campaign. He is supposed to address this issue Friday.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 02, 2016, 12:59:53 PM

Canute ~~Shakespear~~, remember Occam's Razor?

Fun concept and almost universal in applicability.

Your fantasy of a hidden army of Democrat voters, many of whom would have had to forswear their registered Democratic preference and register as Republican in order to carry out this hidden sabotage is, well, a fantasy.
The simple truth is that people, the electorate, Americans of all faiths, creeds and colours are voting for Trump. Not in equal proportions, but they are voting for him and their hope and trust that he is what he says he is. They may be wrong, but they sure as hell are not a hidden army of turncoat Clinton supporters.

As you know I am more than a little cynical about your country, its management and the manner in which you and your countrymen have allowed terrible, terrible things to happen, supposedly in your name and interest.
What you are seeing is millions of people saying 'NO!'
This is millions of people responding to a simple message.

The odd thing is that any of the other candidates could have formulated the same, or similar, message. The fact that they did not rather shows where they stand in terms of representing 'we the people'!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 01:03:00 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 02, 2016, 12:55:12 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 12:41:07 PM
Quote from: Slumba on March 02, 2016, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 10:22:41 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 09:31:43 AM
After his victories Tuesday night in multiple states and his second place finish in others , Trump is in an unstoppable position. Whether the junior senators from Texas and Florida choose to pursue him, it doesn’t matter, the end is near.

Trump, who is an unconventional candidate, to say the least, has tapped into the anger and frustration across America and has mobilized voters to turn out in record numbers.

It appears Trump will be the nominee recording less than 50% of support from Republican primary voters.

Congratulations now go to President Hillary Clinton who will beat Trump by 20 points because of the stupidity and low information stubbornness of a group of knuckleheads that lost sight of the primary objective of 2016; to beat Hillary Clinton.

Ummm, yeah, about President Hillary : http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/democrats-on-donald-trump-threat-220118

You never answered why rubes like Cuffy and Anteros were joined by non-rubes like Senator Sessions and Chris Christie.

And bluntly, you still don't get it.

Immigration is the only issue for this election. Nothing. Else. Matters.

Yes, jobs/economy is somewhat important, but the broken-glass base that Trump has is with him over his stance on immigration.

"When the Saxon begins to hate" things will get ugly; ugly as in revolution-ugly.

Either the wall gets built and self-deportation (at a minimum) occurs, or we don't have a nation anymore. And men without a nation feel they have little to lose.

Who are you calling a rube? Take a look in the mirror bud. The number one issue is the economy, jobs and the trade deficit. Immigration is a very close second.

I was referring to shakespear calling all those who support Trump as being low information voters (e.g. rubes).

The most passionate supporters of Trump are those on immigration. Morale with them is highest IMHO. And morale matters - it energizes people and causes them to do things to help their candidate.

Okay, agreed. Immigration is a very close second for me, meaning that for me I place it almost equal to him negotiating better trade deals and bringing manufacturing back to the USA. In the case of Mexico they're either going to pay for that wall or they are going to suffer big-time. As you said the fight energizes people and I know many people would rather have a trade war with Mexico until they capitulate. We don't care if we have to pay higher prices -- it's the principal of the matter and we're willing to do "things to help their ~~candidate~~ President.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 01:09:12 PM

Mitt the two-faced back stabbing weasel "establishment" Republican who LOST to Obama in 2012 due to his WEAK campaign and refusal to bring up Benghazi and push it, plans to attempt to derail Trump with a speech.

All the more reason to rally behind Trump!!

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2016/03/mitt-romney-plans-major-speech-thursday-on-presidential-race.html/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 01:27:02 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 02, 2016, 12:59:53 PM

Your fantasy of a hidden army of Democrat voters, many of whom would have had to forswear their registered Democratic preference and register as Republican in order to carry out this hidden sabotage is, well, a fantasy.

{sigh} It's always entertaining when a foreigner comments on the laws and procedures of American politics.

Andrewfi, I think you'll find that many of the primary elections are "open" or "hybrid" ballots, not requiring a person to register party to vote. In fact, the vast majority of the primaries held to date fall in this classification.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on March 02, 2016, 02:12:59 PM

Saw it on FB..Thought this was amusing.. [attachimg=1]

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on March 02, 2016, 02:13:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 10:22:41 AM

It appears Trump will be the nominee recording less than 50% of support from Republican primary voters.

Congratulations now go to President Hillary Clinton who will beat Trump by 20 points because of the stupidity and low information stubbornness of a group of knuckleheads that lost sight of the primary objective of 2016; to beat Hillary Clinton.

In 2016 the Senate will go back to Democrat on Hillary's long coat tails. Thank God the House made themselves "bulletproof" with the redistricting of voting precincts in 2010. Hillary will pack the Supreme Court with at least two ultra liberal judges and change the direction of the court for the next 25 years. Goodbye handguns. Hello abortion on demand. Hello single payer healthcare. Hello to environmental instead of business concerns. Thanks guys. Thanks a bunch.

I'm afraid that Donald Trump will be reviled in conservative annals as the candidate that caused the USA to take a huge and irreversible step toward European Socialism.

I blame people like Cuffy and Anteros for buying the bullshit spewed by this low rent carnival barker and selling out to the Democrats. Thanks guys. Thanks a bunch. Loyal Conservative Republicans like me are trying to figure out how we can "run out the clock" with a slim House majority without any further harm to the Constitution until 2020 when we get the next chance to do it right and elect a true Conservative to the White House.

One thing is certain unfortunately the next President will have a bad hair do. And while I do not want to be as pessimistic as Shakespeare, I largely share the opinion of the Bard. Perhaps Trump will become President but I suspect it will be because of more damaging revelations, but so far Ms. Clinton has shown she hass a Teflon back side.

What will be certain this will be the nastiest and most vitriolic campaign ever. Hilary is not a nice person and she can throw shit out with the very best of them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on March 02, 2016, 03:33:25 PM

It is interesting reading what Americans say are the number one issues - and how they differ:

Quote from: Slumba on March 02, 2016, 12:17:40 PM

Immigration is the only issue for this election. Nothing. Else. Matters.

Quote from: Maxx on March 02, 2016, 12:42:10 PM

Bringing back manufacturing is also important. I cannot see how a nation can remain strong if it is dependent on others for the creation of its goods.

Quote from: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 12:41:07 PM

The number one issue is the economy, jobs and the trade deficit. Immigration is a very close second.

Over the pond here, the issues are exactly the same.

Trump isn't very different to our Farage in aims. They fly similar flags. Their detractors both cite lack of firm policies and how they will be implemented and funded.

The difference between the US and here is that Farage won the Euro vote, but the media machine still didn't take him seriously so they won no seats. In the US I am seeing a difference. The media machine still seems to be against Trump, but the people differ. The man is winning states. Even the ultra left BBC, after some Hilary hero worship, had to concede that the Super Tuesday was all about Trump and started to tilt their coverage to hedge their bets that there may be a President Trump. They were even running interviews at NASCAR with all the guys saying "Trump". A few weeks ago that would be as unlikely as them walking around Moscow filming and broadcasting people saying "Putin" before a Russian election.

The BBC is, for once, reporting both sides. This means they are hedging their bets; that means the narrative has been handed down from above. Which means the Brit establishment (informed by the Yank back room boys) is telling them Trump is in with a chance, so play safe.

Which in turn must mean the back room boys in Washington have lost control, it might be hard to fix or fudge, and the people might *actually* decide. For once.

Bloke with good words but squiffy hair and no firm policies -v- career politician with fingers everywhere, deep rooted into the establishment, who will probably start more wars? I'd have to go with the squiffy haired bloke and hope he learns as he goes and does most of what he says. He talks a good job and quite frankly, could he be worse than the Bush/Clinton consortium? Even at worse, he may start two or three fewer wars.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 04:05:48 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 01:09:12 PM

Mitt the two-faced back stabbing weasel "establishment" Republican who LOST to Obama in 2012 due to his WEAK campaign and refusal to bring up Benghazi and push it, plans to attempt to derail Trump with a speech.

All the more reason to rally behind Trump!!

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2016/03/mitt-romney-plans-major-speech-thursday-on-presidential-race.html/

Mitt mongers here insisted he and his pollsters predictions would overwhelmingly win against Obama 3 years ago are all still in denial conveniently forgetting how Mitt the Mormon nuked the Regan Bush GOP success factors 4 legged stool...

1. Told conservative Christian Mexicans they could all self deport! FAIL

2. Told Soccer Moms no more control over their bodies without his permission! FAIL

3. Told Regan Republicans Police Miltary Firefighters Hard Hat workers that they were part of the lower 47% no paying taxes and thus were part of the parasites party! FAIL

4. Told Veterans that he and his sons Mormon missions were the equivilent of Military service! HUGE FAIL

5. Told Evangelicals he was a Mormon Bishop - Evangelicals consider him to be a Cult Leader and did not vote at all! HUGE FAIL.

Bottom line is MITT is a huge FAIL and no way he derails the Trump Train that is picking up MOMENTUM or the Big MO as George HW Bush referred to it. - Mitt may in fact expose himself to a massive Slander and Libel lawsuit.

Trump settled the UNIVISION lawsuit for serious $$$.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 04:56:41 PM

Just got off the phone with my connections on Capital Hill. The people in charge don't give up easy. Something is afoot. More later. Don't count your money yet Anteros.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 02, 2016, 05:02:13 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 04:56:41 PM

Just got off the phone with my connections on Capital Hill. The people in charge don't give up easy. Something is afoot. More later. Don't count your money yet Anteros.

They are putting millions into stopping Trump, this is known. Upwards of $75 million.

They don't know the knife's edge they are on, I think.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 05:09:17 PM

True that.

Come to your senses America before it's too late!

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ol-donald-trump-unsuited-to-be-president-20160302-story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 02, 2016, 05:11:18 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 04:05:48 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 01:09:12 PM
Mitt the two-faced back stabbing weasel "establishment" Republican who LOST to Obama in 2012 due to his WEAK campaign and refusal to bring up Benghazi and push it, plans to attempt to derail Trump with a speech.

All the more reason to rally behind Trump!!

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2016/03/mitt-romney-plans-major-speech-thursday-on-presidential-race.html/

Mitt mongers here insisted he and his pollsters predictions would overwhelmingly win against Obama 3 years ago are all still in denial conveniently forgetting how Mitt the Mormon nuked the Regan Bush GOP success factors 4 legged stool...

1. Told conservative Christian Mexicans they could all self deport! FAIL

2. Told Soccer Moms no more control over their bodies without his permission! FAIL

3. Told Regan Republicans Police Miltary Firefighters Hard Hat workers that they were part of the lower 47% no paying taxes and thus were part of the parasites party! FAIL

4. Told Veterans that he and his sons Mormon missions were the equivilent of Military service! HUGE FAIL

5. Told Evangelicals he was a Mormon Bishop - Evangelicals consider him to be a Cult Leader and did not vote at all! HUGE FAIL.

Bottom line is MITT is a huge FAIL and no way he derails the Trump Train that is picking up MOMENTUM or the Big MO as George HW Bush referred to it. - Mitt may in fact expose himself to a massive Slander and Libel lawsuit.

Trump settled the UNIVISION lawsuit for serious $$$.

If Mitt decides to run as an Independent Clinton wins. If Mitt runs for the GOP, Clinton wins. How is Mitt entering the race now going to help the GOP?

The GOP establishment told Mitt last year they didn't want him in the race. If he enters it now the GOP loses to Clinton, why would Mitt even consider entering the race?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 07:41:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 04:56:41 PM

Just got off the phone with my connections on Capital Hill. The people in charge don't give up easy. Something is afoot. More later. Don't count your money yet Anteros.

Why would "the people in charge" give up easy? After all they're professional crooks and they're hell bent on electing a neo-con like Marco Rubio who will start WWIII with the Russians. That's big business for the military industrial complex who cares not a tiny bit what enormous damage they've done to our country, nor do they care a whit about the lives of soldiers lost, families broken apart and children left without a father or mother.

The level of depravity and corruption of the likes of you and your "people in charge" makes me want to vomit.

Sorry bud but the people will be making the choice this time around, unless your crooks in DC find a way to assassinate Trump before he wins the Presidency.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 07:53:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 05:09:17 PM

True that.

Come to your senses America before it's too late!

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/editorials/la-ol-donald-trump-unsuited-to-be-president-20160302-story.html

Quoting a known strident left-wing newspaper -- now that's desperation for an alleged "loyal" conservative.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on March 02, 2016, 09:10:20 PM

(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee194/bagalia/trump.jpg) (http://s235.photobucket.com/user/bagalia/media/trump.jpg.html)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 09:15:14 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 02, 2016, 05:11:18 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 04:05:48 PM
Quote from: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 01:09:12 PM
Mitt the two-faced back stabbing weasel "establishment" Republican who LOST to Obama in 2012 due to his WEAK campaign and refusal to bring up Benghazi and push it, plans to attempt to derail Trump with a speech.

All the more reason to rally behind Trump!!

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2016/03/mitt-romney-plans-major-speech-thursday-on-presidential-race.html/

Mitt mongers here insisted he and his pollsters predictions would overwhelmingly win against Obama 3 years ago are all still in denial conveniently forgetting how Mitt the Mormon nuked the Regan Bush GOP success factors 4 legged stool...

1. Told conservative Christian Mexicans they could all self deport! FAIL

2. Told Soccer Moms no more control over their bodies without his permission! FAIL

3. Told Regan Republicans Police Miltary Firefighters Hard Hat workers that they were part of the lower 47% no paying taxes and thus were part of the parasites party! FAIL

4. Told Veterans that he and his sons Mormon missions were the equivilent of Military service! HUGE FAIL

5. Told Evangelicals he was a Mormon Bishop - Evangelicals consider him to be a Cult Leader and did not vote at all! HUGE FAIL.

Bottom line is MITT is a huge FAIL and no way he derails the Trump Train that is picking up MOMENTUM or the Big MO as George HW Bush referred to it. - Mitt may in fact expose himself to a massive Slander and Libel lawsuit.

Trump settled the UNIVISION lawsuit for serious $$$.

If Mitt decides to run as an Independent Clinton wins. If Mitt runs for the GOP, Clinton wins. How is Mitt entering the race now going to help the GOP?

The GOP establishment told Mitt last year they didn't want him in the race. If he enters it now the GOP loses to Clinton, why would Mitt even consider entering the race?

Hillary goes to prison or our country goes to civil war that will make Ukraine and Syria look like keystone cops.

GOP goes with anti-american Globalists (Soros - Romney etc) and plays games and the Trump 50 million man nationwide Army goes Independent in a heartbeat - all 2nd Amendment supporters with private arms at the ready to defend our country and Constitution from ALL enemies Foreign and or Domestic.

Globalist Mitt Romney with his Bain Capital pioneered off shoring the 60,000+ US Manufacturing firms to Asia just since 2000 and is in fact a Traitor to the USA and Patriotic Americans. The Globalists traitors are in full panic and crawling out of the woodwork like the Rubio Romney RATS and Cruz cockroaches they really are - good time to flush them all out now as any.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 02, 2016, 09:15:56 PM

It is likely that a substantial number of Republicans will be voting for Hillary this fall.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 02, 2016, 09:24:27 PM

After watching several videos of Hillary Clinton's lying, and chameleon like stances on issues,and basically everything, it should be little problem for Trump to win come November.
In the link below there's some videos that show how Hillary is cheating to steal a win over Bernie. Trump will be relentless in exposing Clinton for the constant lying, that she does.

Hillary Clinton Blatantly Violated Massachusetts Election Laws – and Nothing Will Be Done About It

http://russia-insider.com/en/how-hillary-stole-massachusetts/ri13134

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 02, 2016, 09:27:59 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 02, 2016, 09:15:56 PM

It is likely that a substantial number of Republicans will be voting for Hillary this fall.

Only the liberal Traitors and RINOs will be voting for Hillary...

Already Documented a huge groundswell of independents (Majority) and democrats (20%+) sick of the George Soros Open Borders supported Clinton Crime Cartel voting for the only Pro America Patriot in the race vs the pro immigracion amnestia Cubano Cabana Boyz.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 02, 2016, 09:48:58 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 02, 2016, 09:15:56 PM

It is likely that a substantial number of Republicans will be voting for Hillary this fall.

Tom does this mean you'll be joining Shakey at the polls and voting for Hillary in November?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 02, 2016, 10:09:30 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 04:56:41 PM

Just got off the phone with my connections on Capital Hill. The people in charge don't give up easy. Something is afoot. More later. Don't count your money yet Anteros.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-03%20at%209.06.27%20AM_zpszb30h2u1.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on March 03, 2016, 01:15:17 AM

Quote from: bagalia on March 02, 2016, 09:10:20 PM

Even with a face-swap he doesn't pull it off. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 03, 2016, 07:46:43 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 07:41:59 PM

Sorry bud but the people will be making the choice this time around, unless your crooks in DC find a way to assassinate Trump before he wins the Presidency.

Funny you should mention that. Not an "Assassination" in literal terms, but an "Assassination" in political terms and it begins today. By the time they're done, he will not win the nomination.

For those of you from foreign countries (like West Coast and Andrewfi) that are interested in the historical perspective of what is going on, just put the following words in your internet browser and start reading.

BULL MOOSE PARTY

Oh, and the first salvo was fired this morning -

http://warontherocks.com/2016/03/open-letter-on-donald-trump-from-gop-national-security-leaders/

This says it all . . . . . . . .

"We commit ourselves to working energetically to prevent the election of someone so utterly unfitted to the office."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 03, 2016, 07:52:53 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 03, 2016, 07:46:43 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 07:41:59 PM
Sorry bud but the people will be making the choice this time around, unless your crooks in DC find a way to assassinate Trump before he wins the Presidency.

Funny you should mention that. Not an "Assassination" in literal terms, but an "Assassination" in political terms and it begins today. By the time they're done, he will not win the nomination.

For those of you from foreign countries (like West Coast and Andrewfi) that are interested in the historical perspective of what is going on, just put the following words in your internet browser and start reading.

BULL MOOSE PARTY

Oh, and the first salvo was fired this morning -

http://warontherocks.com/2016/03/open-letter-on-donald-trump-from-gop-national-security-leaders/

I will be interesting to see if the Trump movement can break the death grip the christian taliban have on the Republican party.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 07:59:29 AM

Quote from: yankee on March 03, 2016, 07:52:53 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 03, 2016, 07:46:43 AM
Quote from: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 07:41:59 PM
Sorry bud but the people will be making the choice this time around, unless your crooks in DC find a way to assassinate Trump before he wins the Presidency.

Funny you should mention that. Not an "Assassination" in literal terms, but an "Assassination" in political terms and it begins today. By the time they're done, he will not win the nomination.

For those of you from foreign countries (like West Coast and Andrewfi) that are interested in the historical perspective of what is going on, just put the following words in your internet browser and start reading.

BULL MOOSE PARTY

Oh, and the first salvo was fired this morning -

http://warontherocks.com/2016/03/open-letter-on-donald-trump-from-gop-national-security-leaders/

I will be interesting to see if the Trump movement can break the death grip the christian taliban have on the Republican party.

Easily! Republican voting participation is WAY UP, all due to Trump. The more these "establishment" morons try to derail his campaign, the more it helps him win HUGE! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 08:06:45 AM

From Shakespear's link above:

"His admiration for foreign dictators such as Vladimir Putin is unacceptable for the leader of the world’s greatest democracy."

Obviously the neo-cons would prefer a puppet like Rubio, who calls Mr. Putin a "thug" and a "mafia leader". Nice diplomatic words for a wanna be President. After all, the real motives of these buffoons in Congress is to have somebody who will work for the MIC and start another ME conflict, this time with Russia involved. They mask their real objective with flowery words about "national security" and other bunk.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 03, 2016, 08:49:12 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 07:59:29 AM

Easily! Republican voting participation is WAY UP, all due to Trump. The more these "establishment" morons try to derail his campaign, the more it helps him win HUGE!

I contend that what we were seeing is Democrat crossovers who have been instructed to vote in their state primary election for Trump, thereby providing her the easiest opponent to defeat. That support will evaporate in the general election in November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 03, 2016, 08:54:35 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 03, 2016, 08:49:12 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 07:59:29 AM
Easily! Republican voting participation is WAY UP, all due to Trump. The more these "establishment" morons try to derail his campaign, the more it helps him win HUGE!

I contend that what we were seeing is Democrat crossovers who have been instructed to vote in their state primary election for Trump, thereby providing her the easiest opponent to defeat. That support will evaporate in the general election in November.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 09:38:45 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 03, 2016, 08:49:12 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 07:59:29 AM
Easily! Republican voting participation is WAY UP, all due to Trump. The more these "establishment" morons try to derail his campaign, the more it helps him win HUGE!

I contend that what we were seeing is Democrat crossovers who have been instructed to vote in their state primary election for Trump, thereby providing her the easiest opponent to defeat. That support will evaporate in the general election in November.

And I contend that you are presenting an absurd and ludicrous conspiracy theory. Those voting for Trump want Trump, it's really that simple.

BTW that Jackass Romney is speaking right now -- the same jackass who's only business experience consists of sending Manufacturing jobs overseas so he and his cronies at Bain Capitol could profit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 03, 2016, 10:01:22 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 03, 2016, 07:46:43 AM

This says it all . . . . . . . .

"We commit ourselves to working energetically to prevent the election of someone so utterly unfitted to the office."

:Zzzzsleep: ......ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ........ :Zzzzsleep:

Yes, if Donald Trump )or the voters) doesn't do what we say, we will send him a strongly worded letter! SO THERE!

You are asking the gang that couldn't shoot straight - that couldn't take out Obama the Pot-Smoking, Coke-Selling Indonesian Paki-loving Gay Muslim without a valid birth certificate - to take out Trump.

Why do you think that will work?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 03, 2016, 10:04:49 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 03, 2016, 08:49:12 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 07:59:29 AM
Easily! Republican voting participation is WAY UP, all due to Trump. The more these "establishment" morons try to derail his campaign, the more it helps him win HUGE!

I contend that what we were seeing is Democrat crossovers who have been instructed to vote in their state primary election for Trump, thereby providing her the easiest opponent to defeat. That support will evaporate in the general election in November.

Should be easy enough to prove. There are closed primaries (only registered Republicans allowed to vote) coming up. If Trump wins those, then it's not Democratic crossovers fueling Trump's wins.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on March 03, 2016, 10:19:11 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 08:06:45 AM

From Shakespear's link above:

"His admiration for foreign dictators such as Vladimir Putin is unacceptable for the leader of the world’s greatest democracy."

Made me think of this in Private Eye magazine:

[attachimg=1]

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 03, 2016, 11:41:13 AM

Some of you guys are taken this too seriously. One there is not anything we can do about Trump getting elected. Secondly he not likely going to get very much done. By then the US economy will have started to tank and will get worse each year for several years in a roll. I think the bottom will come in about 2019. IN 2020 he most likely will not reelected. This is going to happen no matter who gets elected. Most other things will seem small in comparison in a couple of years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 11:58:25 AM

According to Breitbart, GOP continues to commit suicide. Latest being their "plan" to have Romney the weakling loser derail Trump... :ROFL:

http://www.breitbart.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 12:04:41 PM

Quote from: Manny on March 03, 2016, 10:19:11 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 08:06:45 AM
From Shakespear's link above:

"His admiration for foreign dictators such as Vladimir Putin is unacceptable for the leader of the world’s greatest democracy."

Made me think of this in Private Eye magazine:

(Attachment Link)

Josh Ernest and Obama admin wisely STFU. After all USA propped up Osama bin Laden and later killed him....propped up Saddam Hussein and later killed him.... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 12:13:51 PM

Maine Governor endorses Trump!

Why? Number one problem in Maine is Heroin. Where does it come from? Mexico! Who will stop it? Trump!!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/paul-lepage-donald-trump-endorsement-219880

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 04:22:38 PM

Global "elitists" strategy to split the GOP:

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/03/03/final-tripwire-triggered-mitt-romney-admits-gope-globalist-grand-scheme-the-splitter-strategy/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 03, 2016, 04:42:27 PM

My friend on Capital Hill told me more of how the RNC is going to sink Trump at the convention.

Hey Anteros, check out Rule 40 in the RNC handbook and it states that any candidate for president “shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the voters from each of eight (8) or more states” before their name is presented for nomination at the national convention. (article March 2014).

That means if Trump doesn't win by a majority of votes in eight states, he cannot be nominated.

He has won by a majority of votes in Z E R O states so far. And if everybody stays in the race it is unlikely that he will win by a majority of votes in 8 states. if no candidate does, there will be a brokered convention.

Does Trump get the nomination in a brokered convention? No way.

I'll request you send your losing bet to the Wounded Warriors charity in my name. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 03, 2016, 05:07:28 PM

On Friday (tomorrow) he should have two state where his wins are likely more the 50 per cent. Louisiana and Maine. He should win the other two state but likely with less than 50 per cent marjority.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 03, 2016, 06:01:24 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 11:58:25 AM

According to Breitbart, GOP continues to commit suicide. Latest being their "plan" to have Romney the weakling loser derail Trump... :ROFL:

http://www.breitbart.com/

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/romney-...id/717256/

The real Problem with Romney is he is a major part of the problem and not the solution... when China and India became slave labor paradises his company at the time Bain Capital spearheaded offshoring by hiring Boston Uni grads particularly Harvard and MIT - from India and China and started buying up steady cash cow manufacturers that would earn a solid 10% after taxes return in the USA and ship them lock stock and barrel to Communist Red Freaking China where they would have the US Employees train their slave labor replacements often replacing $25 hr workers with $0.50 per hour workers - this would create a labor savings windfall and with no OSHA or EPA in China a regulatory windfall. China is also notorius for cutting corners wherever they can increase profits at the expense of consumers resulting in a marked decline in old fashioned American Made Quality... just look at the exploding firebomb batteries in early Chinese iPods and Notebook PCs as well as the currently popular hover boards and E-vapes that spontaneously combust without warning - how are they even able to sell this crap in the USA without massive product liability convictions and class action law suits??

So a US manufacturer that showed a $5 Million per year after tax profit would suddenly show $50 Million in profit and then the Romney anti American jobs offshorers would then take these offshored companies public on the Hong Kong stock markets or even mainland Chinese markets at incredible multiples of 65 times earnings or more creating huge new valuations that they would use as collateral for huge Bond issuances that they would cash out of the companies and leave with huge debts - of course after completely raiding the US workers pension funds. Most of these offshore Pirate profits have been ensconced in places like Singapore to avoid US taxes on these USA vs China arbitrage windfalls. Its part of the $2 Trillion to $5 Trillion in offshore US Corporate funds to avoid USA taxes Trump talks about... Of course Romney does not want to talk about this massive bucket of money he and other US Multinationals have in their offshore affiliates. Romney instead attacks Trump for daring to mention it and how Trumps Tax and Trade policies will cause deficits and a trade war - WTF the Romney Bush Cheney Globalists trade war against the USA has been screwing the USA economy for decades. Google Bain, Halliburton, Blackstone, and Carlyle Group for starters.

Mitt Romney is a completely ruthless Predatory Capitalist arbitrageur between US tried and true manufacturing and Chinese Communist Red Army controlled slave labor concentration camps with no worker or environmental protections.

However since he does tithe his mandatory 10% or 15% to the Mormon Church he is lauded as a paragon of honesty and morality when in fact he is a total Traitor to the USA by pioneering the massive offshoring of the USA's strategic manufacturing base to Communist Red China and Communist Vietnam and Socialist India like a true screw America First George Soros minded open border pro immigration and amnesty Globalist. Remember Romney's father was born in Mexico.

Mr. Trump may not be perfect however he does build his Brand and many successful Businesses and premier buildings and properties in the USA. He also competes and profits from his brand around the world - only one comparable is Richard Branson with his worldwide Virgin brand and businesses.

Whereas Romney is now the chairman of Lexington, Massachusetts-based Solamere Capital where he continues his predatory offshoring anti-American workers ways.

Mitt Romney is a sour grapes GOPe Globalist Traitor and Mr. Trump is a patriotic Nationalist.

All we really need to know here about Mitt the Mexico loving Mormon.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 03, 2016, 06:30:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 03, 2016, 04:42:27 PM

My friend on Capital Hill told me more of how the RNC is going to sink Trump at the convention.

Hey Anteros, check out Rule 40 in the RNC handbook and it states that any candidate for president “shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the voters from each of eight (8) or more states” before their name is presented for nomination at the national convention. (article March 2014).

That means if Trump doesn't win by a majority of votes in eight states, he cannot be nominated.

He has won by a majority of votes in Z E R O states so far. And if everybody stays in the race it is unlikely that he will win by a majority of votes in 8 states. if no candidate does, there will be a brokered convention.

Does Trump get the nomination in a brokered convention? No way.

I'll request you send your losing bet to the Wounded Warriors charity in my name. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

It is befitting that you would chose a charity that pays less than 60% to the soldiers that need it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 09:20:33 PM

Quote from: yankee on March 03, 2016, 06:30:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 03, 2016, 04:42:27 PM
My friend on Capital Hill told me more of how the RNC is going to sink Trump at the convention.

Hey Anteros, check out Rule 40 in the RNC handbook and it states that any candidate for president “shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the voters from each of eight (8) or more states” before their name is presented for nomination at the national convention. (article March 2014).

That means if Trump doesn't win by a majority of votes in eight states, he cannot be nominated.

He has won by a majority of votes in Z E R O states so far. And if everybody stays in the race it is unlikely that he will win by a majority of votes in 8 states. if no candidate does, there will be a brokered convention.

Does Trump get the nomination in a brokered convention? No way.

I'll request you send your losing bet to the Wounded Warriors charity in my name. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

It is befitting that you would chose a charity that pays less than 60% to the soldiers that need it.

What is more illuminating is that he and his neo con friends in Congress start wars which we never should have been involved in at all in the first place. Now these neo cons are looking for something, anything to subvert the will of the people, while totally ignoring that Trump has greatly expanded the Party. It's beyond shameful. It's immoral and it should be just as illegal as what Hillary Clinton did.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 03, 2016, 09:22:07 PM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 03, 2016, 10:25:19 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 03, 2016, 04:42:27 PM

My friend on Capital Hill told me more of how the RNC is going to sink Trump at the convention.

Hey Anteros, check out Rule 40 in the RNC handbook and it states that any candidate for president “shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the voters from each of eight (8) or more states” before their name is presented for nomination at the national convention. (article March 2014).

That means if Trump doesn't win by a majority of votes in eight states, he cannot be nominated.

He has won by a majority of votes in Z E R O states so far. And if everybody stays in the race it is unlikely that he will win by a majority of votes in 8 states. if no candidate does, there will be a brokered convention.

Does Trump get the nomination in a brokered convention? No way.

I'll request you send your losing bet to the Wounded Warriors charity in my name. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Shakey if the GOP establishment pisses off enough Trump supporters the GOP not only might not win the White House they might end up losing their majority in the Senate.

How would that go over in January when Hillary is sworn in as President and the Senate Majority Leader is a Democrat? A real possibility if Trump and his supporters think the GOP establishment screwed Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 04, 2016, 01:07:56 AM

Shakespear, I have a sneaky suspicion that your 'contacts' on Capitol Hill are not as good as you think they are.

If your contact's information is good then we can assume that the Republican party has chosen to not field a candidate in the upcoming general election.
Here's why: If that rule, as you presented it to us, is enforced and Trump did not pass that bar, then there'd be no other eligible candidate either.

Secondly the party's rules preclude a brokered convention in the form that your contacts imagine. The non-aligned delegates are enjoined to follow the wishes of the electorate. Your contacts may be getting confused with Democrat party rules which allow for non-aligned delegates to vote as per their 'conscience'.

I rather doubt that the Republican party would be likely to act as you have told us you intend to do and simply give the presidency to the Democrats by abstaining from the general election.

Your contacts may be right in one respect though: the best way to reduce Trump's margin is to have a wide field, even if the other candidates win little. They split the allocation of delegates to a degree.

If the convention goes to a second or third round then the laggards, or their delegates, would hold a lot of power and could support a close running second place candidate. Of course this presupposes that Cruze or Rubio are able to be close contenders able to force a second round of voting.

The strategy of keeping several runners in the race actually reduces the chances of having a strong(ish) second contender because that candidate will also suffer from vote splitting, so this is a double edged sword.

My take is that the GOP (or the powers that be) are getting desperate right now. There's going to be a mixture, within the party, of Canutes (like Shakey) and those who will try to suborn party rules to cheat a result more favoured. Either mode is a serious wound, if not death blow, to the party.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 04, 2016, 01:27:48 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 03, 2016, 04:42:27 PM

My friend on Capital Hill told me more of how the RNC is going to sink Trump at the convention.

Hey Anteros, check out Rule 40 in the RNC handbook and it states that any candidate for president “shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the voters from each of eight (8) or more states” before their name is presented for nomination at the national convention. (article March 2014).

That means if Trump doesn't win by a majority of votes in eight states, he cannot be nominated.

He has won by a majority of votes in Z E R O states so far. And if everybody stays in the race it is unlikely that he will win by a majority of votes in 8 states. if no candidate does, there will be a brokered convention.

Does Trump get the nomination in a brokered convention? No way.

I'll request you send your losing bet to the Wounded Warriors charity in my name. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Shakey if you read the entire text of Rule 40 you'll see that they mean “shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the voters from each of eight (8) or more states” at the convention not during the primaries. Here's Rule 40 in its entirety:

https://cdn.gop.com/docs/2012_RULES_Adopted.pdf

RULE NO. 40
No
minations
(a) In making the nominations for President
of the United States and Vice President of the United
States and voting thereon, the roll of the states shall be
called separately in each case; provided, however, that
if there is only one candidate
for nomination for Vice
President of the United States who has demonstrated
the support required by paragraph (b) of this rule, a
motion to nominate for such office by acclamation
shall be in order and no calling of the roll with respect
to such office sha
ll be required.
(b) Each candidate for nomination for
President of the United States and Vice President of
the United States shall demonstrate the support of a
majority of the delegates from each of eight (8) or
more states, severally, prior to the prese
ntation of the
name of that candidate for nomination.
Notwithstanding any other provisions of these rules or
any rule of the House of Representatives, to
demonstrate the support required of this paragraph a
certificate evidencing the affirmative written s
upport
of the required number of permanently seated
delegates from each of the eight (8) or more states
shall have been submitted to the secretary of the
convention not later than one (1) hour prior to the
placing of the names of candidates for nomination
pursuant to this rule and the established order of
business.
(c) The total time of the nominating speech
and seconding speeches for any candidate for
nomination for President of the United States or Vice
President of the United States shall not exceed f
ifteen
(15) minutes.

(d) When at the close of a roll call any
candidate for nomination for President of the United
States or Vice President of the United States has
received a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in
the convention, the chairman of t
he convention shall
announce the votes for each candidate whose name
was presented in accordance with the provisions of
paragraph (b) of this rule. Before the convention
adjourns
sine die
, the chairman of the convention shall
declare the candidate nominat
ed by the Republican
Party for President of the United States and Vice
President of the United States.
(e) If no candidate shall have received such
majority, the chairman of the convention shall direct
the roll of the states be called again and shall rep
eat
the calling of the roll until a candidate shall have
received a majority of the votes entitled to be cast in
the convention.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tonton on March 04, 2016, 03:23:37 AM

I think Trump is nothing more than big w a n k e r. What do you American's think of this guy, would you seriously vote for him?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 04, 2016, 05:16:50 AM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on March 04, 2016, 05:23:10 AM

Quote from: Ste on March 04, 2016, 05:16:50 AM

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Still a much better proposition than THAT woman... :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 04, 2016, 07:08:10 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 09:20:33 PM

What is more illuminating is that he and his neo con friends in Congress start wars which we never should have been involved in at all in the first place.

Hey Anteros, have you ever put on a uniform and stood a post?

I have. In this light, let me just say this; If not, sfu about wars.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 04, 2016, 07:21:02 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 04, 2016, 07:08:10 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 09:20:33 PM

What is more illuminating is that he and his neo con friends in Congress start wars which we never should have been involved in at all in the first place.

Hey Anteros, have you ever put on a uniform and stood a post?

I have. In this light, let me just say this; If not, sfu about wars.

Hey shakespear, have you ever been in a combat zone? Boots on the ground as some say?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 04, 2016, 08:26:33 AM

Quote from: yankee on March 04, 2016, 07:21:02 AM

Hey shakespear, have you ever been in a combat zone? Boots on the ground as some say?

Well, 6 months in Sinai as an artillery observer with the UN peacekeeping force.
Nobody ever shot at me thank God.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 04, 2016, 08:28:49 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 04, 2016, 07:08:10 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 03, 2016, 09:20:33 PM

What is more illuminating is that he and his neo con friends in Congress start wars which we never should have been involved in at all in the first place.

Hey Anteros, have you ever put on a uniform and stood a post?

I have. In this light, let me just say this; If not, sfu about wars.

Nice attempt to deflect away from the immoral actions of certain members in Congress who have already lost this political race. In regards to the neo-cons and their foolish wars -- yes I already served. I've previously posted that already. I draw a distinction between corrupt politicians -- and my brothers in arms. Soldiers and Marines on the front lines do not fight for morally corrupt politicians -- they fight for each other.

I suggest you listen to Congressman Duncan Hunter, Republican out of California who supports Trump. The little dirty trick that your contacts on the Hill hope to use is not going to work. Trump will be the nominee, and once he is he will do a number on Hillary just like he's done a number on all the Republican establishment losers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 04, 2016, 09:09:25 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/how-do-we-know-america-is-anxious-about-a-president-trump-shrinks-and-massage-therapists/2016/03/03/e5b55a22-e0bb-11e5-846c-10191d1fc4ec_story.html

If all else fails Shakespear you can do what the Democrats are doing to treat your "Trump Anxiety."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 04, 2016, 10:16:54 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 04, 2016, 08:26:33 AM

Quote from: yankee on March 04, 2016, 07:21:02 AM
Hey shakespear, have you ever been in a combat zone? Boots on the ground as some say?

Well, 6 months in Sinai as an artillery observer with the UN peacekeeping force.
Nobody ever shot at me thank God.

That is what everyone says. Always good to be lucky.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 04, 2016, 11:02:54 AM

I have met shakespear in person (as long time readers know) and he is a very good guy. That he doesn't agree with me politically in no way reduces the level of respect I have for him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 04, 2016, 11:11:41 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 04, 2016, 11:02:54 AM

I have met shakespear in person (as long time readers know) and he is a very good guy. That he doesn't agree with me politically in no way reduces the level of respect I have for him.

I appreciate your comments. My comments were not meant to question his character or anything like that. Only politics.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 04, 2016, 11:25:57 AM

Quote from: yankee on March 04, 2016, 11:11:41 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 04, 2016, 11:02:54 AM
I have met shakespear in person (as long time readers know) and he is a very good guy. That he doesn't agree with me politically in no way reduces the level of respect I have for him.

I appreciate your comments. My comments were not meant to question his character or anything like that. Only politics.

Not referring to anyone in particular, just wanted to clarify my views.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on March 04, 2016, 05:53:11 PM

Ben Carson just dropped out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 04, 2016, 09:08:57 PM

Cuffy, I respect your service. That is why I ask you this question.

President Trump has ordered that family members of known terrorist be killed as he said he would in the debate Thursday night. You are on the battlefield and you capture an unarmed 7-year old girl who is identified as the daughter of a know terrorist. Do you follow the order of your Commander In Chief and execute the girl?

Do you know that Trump received 4 deferments to avoid military service during Vietnam?

I cannot believe you would actually vote for this guy!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 04, 2016, 09:18:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 04, 2016, 09:08:57 PM

Cuffy, I respect your service. That is why I ask you this question.

President Trump has ordered that family members of known terrorist be killed as he said he would in the debate Thursday night. You are on the battlefield and you capture an unarmed 7-year old girl who is identified as the daughter of a know terrorist. Do you follow the order of your Commander In Chief and execute the girl?

Do you know that Trump received 4 deferments to avoid military service during Vietnam?

I cannot believe you would actually vote for this guy!

How many deferments did gung-ho Dick Cheney receive? That's right, 4. Then there's gung-ho "I'm a war time President, George Bush Jr. He used the National Guard as a way to avoid Vietnam --yet he missed a lot of his drills.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 05, 2016, 01:57:43 AM

Newt Gingrich says the establishment is afraid of Trump because he never was initiated into "the secret society."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 05, 2016, 06:31:42 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 04, 2016, 09:08:57 PM

Cuffy, I respect your service. That is why I ask you this question.

President Trump has ordered that family members of known terrorist be killed as he said he would in the debate Thursday night. You are on the battlefield and you capture an unarmed 7-year old girl who is identified as the daughter of a know terrorist. Do you follow the order of your Commander In Chief and execute the girl?

I would hope that Cuffy, as well as anyone else, would say “no”.

If Cuffy was on a submarine with nuclear weapons, and you received an order from the president to launch it against a specific city. You know that there are many children in this city. What do you do?

Another scenario. You are on a combat patrol and you come upon a 7 yo girl with and IED wrapped around here. She is walking towards you, what do you do?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 05, 2016, 07:17:06 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 04, 2016, 09:18:59 PM

Then there's gung-ho "I'm a war time President, George Bush Jr. He used the National Guard as a way to avoid Vietnam --yet he missed a lot of his drills.

From a long ago cached article on The Hill:

What do you really know about George W. Bush’s time in the Air National Guard?

That he didn’t show up for duty in Alabama? That he missed a physical? That his daddy got him in?

News coverage of the president’s years in the Guard has tended to focus on one brief portion of that time — to the exclusion of virtually everything else. So just for the record, here, in full, is what Bush did:

The future president joined the Guard in May 1968. Almost immediately, he began an extended period of training. Six weeks of basic training. Fifty-three weeks of flight training. Twenty-one weeks of fighter-interceptor training.

That was 80 weeks to begin with, and there were other training periods thrown in as well. It was full-time work. By the time it was over, Bush had served nearly two years.

Not two years of weekends. Two years.

After training, Bush kept flying, racking up hundreds of hours in F-102 jets. As he did, he accumulated points toward his National Guard service requirements. At the time, guardsmen were required to accumulate a minimum of 50 points to meet their yearly obligation.

According to records released earlier this year, Bush earned 253 points in his first year, May 1968 to May 1969 (since he joined in May 1968, his service thereafter was measured on a May-to-May basis).

Bush earned 340 points in 1969-1970. He earned 137 points in 1970-1971. And he earned 112 points in 1971-1972. The numbers indicate that in his first four years, Bush not only showed up, he showed up a lot. Did you know that?

That brings the story to May 1972 — the time that has been the focus of so many news reports — when Bush “deserted” (according to anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore) or went “AWOL” (according to Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee).

Bush asked for permission to go to Alabama to work on a Senate campaign. His superior officers said OK. Requests like that weren’t unusual, says retired Col. William Campenni, who flew with Bush in 1970 and 1971.

“In 1972, there was an enormous glut of pilots,” Campenni says. “The Vietnam War was winding down, and the Air Force was putting pilots in desk jobs. In ’72 or ’73, if you were a pilot, active or Guard, and you had an obligation and wanted to get out, no problem. In fact, you were helping them solve their problem.”

So Bush stopped flying. From May 1972 to May 1973, he earned just 56 points — not much, but enough to meet his requirement.

Then, in 1973, as Bush made plans to leave the Guard and go to Harvard Business School, he again started showing up frequently.

In June and July of 1973, he accumulated 56 points, enough to meet the minimum requirement for the 1973-1974 year.

Then, at his request, he was given permission to go. Bush received an honorable discharge after serving five years, four months and five days of his original six-year commitment. By that time, however, he had accumulated enough points in each year to cover six years of service.

. . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 08:47:53 AM

^^ All I can say to that is, why didn't he request to fly missions in Vietnam? We know his father flew combat missions during WWII and was shot down over the Pacific. Why didn't Bush Jr. insist on being in the thick of the action? I suspect he used his family's connections to avoid combat duty. A key difference IMO between the WWII generation and the Vietnam generation. Granted, Vietnam is not a war most of us would have liked to have been involved in, with 20/20 hindsight.

When I enlisted at the age of 18 years old, there were no family members who could have prevented me from going to a hot spot, nor would I have wanted to be prevented. At that age I was very hawkish, had a lot of testosterone and simply did what I was told to do.

Fast forward to the Iraq War. George Bush Sr. wisely kicked Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait, however he resisted hawks who wanted him to go all the way to Baghdad and depose Hussein. Cheney is on record at that time as saying it would not have been a good idea to do that; because what then? Who would replace Saddam Hussein? Not to mention that Hussein had been our guy -- he balanced out Iran. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

So what changed? Was it George Bush Jr's ego and immaturity? The argument has been made that Bush Sr. had a lot more maturity, common sense and long term thinking capability. I've read privately that the members of cabinet of Bush Sr. did not approve of Bush Jr's gung-ho drive to war. The holding up of alleged WMD turned out false. Cheney outed a career CIA officer (Valerie Plume) because her intelligence assessment did not agree with what they wanted to hear. Kasich says there was a 5 TRILLION Dollar surplus when Bush Jr. took over. What changed? What happened? Why were these neo-cons suddenly spending money like Democrats?

Fast forward to Obama and we're already in Iraq. What's done is done. All senior military officers advise Obama to stay in Iraq or bad guys will fill the vacuum. Obama refuses to listen to common sense. ISIS goes from being "JV" to setting up their caliphate.

And here we are, back to square one. George Bush Sr. had the correct judgement. Bush Jr. did not. 2 Trillion dollars later, and we have to go back over there again. :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 05, 2016, 08:54:30 AM

Quote from: B.B. on March 05, 2016, 07:17:06 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 04, 2016, 09:18:59 PM
Then there's gung-ho "I'm a war time President, George Bush Jr. He used the National Guard as a way to avoid Vietnam --yet he missed a lot of his drills.

From a long ago cached article on The Hill:

What do you really know about George W. Bush’s time in the Air National Guard?

That he didn’t show up for duty in Alabama? That he missed a physical? That his daddy got him in?

News coverage of the president’s years in the Guard has tended to focus on one brief portion of that time — to the exclusion of virtually everything else. So just for the record, here, in full, is what Bush did:

The future president joined the Guard in May 1968. Almost immediately, he began an extended period of training. Six weeks of basic training. Fifty-three weeks of flight training. Twenty-one weeks of fighter-interceptor training.

That was 80 weeks to begin with, and there were other training periods thrown in as well. It was full-time work. By the time it was over, Bush had served nearly two years.

Not two years of weekends. Two years.

After training, Bush kept flying, racking up hundreds of hours in F-102 jets. As he did, he accumulated points toward his National Guard service requirements. At the time, guardsmen were required to accumulate a minimum of 50 points to meet their yearly obligation.

According to records released earlier this year, Bush earned 253 points in his first year, May 1968 to May 1969 (since he joined in May 1968, his service thereafter was measured on a May-to-May basis).

Bush earned 340 points in 1969-1970. He earned 137 points in 1970-1971. And he earned 112 points in 1971-1972. The numbers indicate that in his first four years, Bush not only showed up, he showed up a lot. Did you know that?

That brings the story to May 1972 — the time that has been the focus of so many news reports — when Bush “deserted” (according to anti-Bush filmmaker Michael Moore) or went “AWOL” (according to Terry McAuliffe, chairman of the Democratic National Committee).

Bush asked for permission to go to Alabama to work on a Senate campaign. His superior officers said OK. Requests like that weren’t unusual, says retired Col. William Campenni, who flew with Bush in 1970 and 1971.

“In 1972, there was an enormous glut of pilots,” Campenni says. “The Vietnam War was winding down, and the Air Force was putting pilots in desk jobs. In ’72 or ’73, if you were a pilot, active or Guard, and you had an obligation and wanted to get out, no problem. In fact, you were helping them solve their problem.”

So Bush stopped flying. From May 1972 to May 1973, he earned just 56 points — not much, but enough to meet his requirement.

Then, in 1973, as Bush made plans to leave the Guard and go to Harvard Business School, he again started showing up frequently.

In June and July of 1973, he accumulated 56 points, enough to meet the minimum requirement for the 1973-1974 year.

Then, at his request, he was given permission to go. Bush received an honorable discharge after serving five years, four months and five days of his original six-year commitment. By that time, however, he had accumulated enough points in each year to cover six years of service.

. . . . .

So it looks like the Guard waisted a lot of money training someone that was never going to use what he was taught.

Nice to be from a rich/political family.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 05, 2016, 09:22:32 AM

A little post script. The F-104 was retired from Vietnam service in 1967. Nice to be trained on an asset that will never be used in Vietnam.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 09:46:06 AM

LOL! He was a snot-nosed, big mouth, obnoxious bullying con-man even back then. . . . . . . .

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/donald-trump-made-a-fellow-usfl-owner-angry-enough-to-punch-him-231005509.html

And people REAL think this man has the temperament to be President of the United States?

Laughable :rolleye0009:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 05, 2016, 09:48:27 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 09:46:06 AM

LOL! He was a snot-nosed, big mouth, obnoxious bullying con-man even back then. . . . . . . .

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/donald-trump-made-a-fellow-usfl-owner-angry-enough-to-punch-him-231005509.html

And people REAL think this man has the temperament to be President of the United States?

Laughable :rolleye0009:

Then give us someone worth voting for.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 09:53:31 AM

Quote from: yankee on March 05, 2016, 09:48:27 AM

Then give us someone worth voting for.

Any of the three others would be better than Trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 05, 2016, 10:01:34 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 09:53:31 AM

Quote from: yankee on March 05, 2016, 09:48:27 AM
Then give us someone worth voting for.

Any of the three others would be better than Trump

1. The little boy from Florida that has nothing of note worth talking about?
2. A Texan senator that shut the government down?

3. The gov from Ohio? He is the only possibility. the only thing I really do not like about him is his hard-on for Russia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 10:37:39 AM

No surprise to me that Trump is NOT appearing at C Pac in Washington DC this weekend. . . . . . .

You gotta be a conservative to participate . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 11:10:48 AM

Rasmussen Poll out on March 2nd:

Clinton 41%
Trump 36%

CNN/ORC Polls out March 1st:

Clinton 52%
Trump 43% (outside margin of error)

T R U M P C A N N O T B E A T C L I N T O N
A vote for Trump in the primary Election is a vote for Clinton in the General Election. FACT!

CNN/ORC also released the following:

Cruz 49%
Clinton 48%

Rubio 50%
Clinton 47%

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 05, 2016, 11:14:17 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 11:10:48 AM

Rasmussen Poll out on March 2nd:

Clinton 41%
Trump 36%

CNN/ORC Polls out March 1st:

Clinton 52%
Trump 43% (outside margin of error)

T R U M P C A N N O T B E A T C L I N T O N
A vote for Trump in the primary Election is a vote for Clinton in the General Election. FACT!

CNN/ORC also released the following:

Cruz 49%
Clinton 48%

Rubio 50%
Clinton 47%

I am far more interested in the Poll that is taken November 1st.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on March 05, 2016, 11:14:49 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 09:46:06 AM

LOL! He was a snot-nosed, big mouth, obnoxious bullying con-man even back then. . . . . . . .

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/donald-trump-made-a-fellow-usfl-owner-angry-enough-to-punch-him-231005509.html

And people REAL think this man has the temperament to be President of the United States?

Laughable :rolleye0009:

OK, so on one hand he was called something similar to a "big mouth, obnoxious bully" with snot nosed and con-man added by you.

On the other hand the same man said of Trump:

"It is obvious from the record that you are a talented and successful young man. It is also a fact that I regard you as a friend and an owner who has made a contribution to the league in general and been a savior to New York/Jersey in particular."

I will take the savior comment over the big mouth, obnoxious one any day. The latter may even be a requirement for the former.

The whole Donald experience is one of rejection of politicians. The establishment just cannot realize that they will not change the minds of his supporters by making Trump look more like a human being. This is what they want.

I personally do not see temperament as a required quality. Look around at the world today or even at the founders of this country. Punching the opponent out is more the norm. Spirited debate is more the norm. In the case of Demos vs Repubs it is pretty much the norm for the former to call the latter murderers.

And in the case of the army following its president. We jump to extremes again. If a president tells the army its OK to waterboard, they will follow him. If he says to fire back at those who would fire upon them then they will. They will do pretty much whatever he says if it will help win a war and keep them alive. I have not heard anyone talking about outright murder of possible innocents (families of terrorists). I could be wrong but I think that was twisting things a bit. Even if it were the case it would be a debatable one.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 11:14:59 AM

So much for the "businessman" managing international trade . . . . . . . .

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-s-bad-logic-on-%E2%80%9Cbad-trade-deals%E2%80%9D-200134642.html#

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 05, 2016, 11:28:18 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 11:14:59 AM

So much for the "businessman" managing international trade . . . . . . . .

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-s-bad-logic-on-%E2%80%9Cbad-trade-deals%E2%80%9D-200134642.html#

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Do tell. What are the qualifications for President?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 11:44:42 AM

Quote from: yankee on March 05, 2016, 11:28:18 AM

Do tell. What are the qualifications for President?

Well . . . . .

If you campaign on the being the President that is going to fix our broken immigration system, then knowing the difference between an H-1B visa and H-2B visa is a good start.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 11:47:15 AM

Quote from: yankee on March 05, 2016, 11:28:18 AM

Do tell. What are the qualifications for President?

Hmmmm . . . . . . .

If you are going to campaign on being the President that will support our military the most, it would be a good idea not to issue orders that would make everyone in the military a war criminal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on March 05, 2016, 12:07:10 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 11:44:42 AM

Quote from: yankee on March 05, 2016, 11:28:18 AM
Do tell. What are the qualifications for President?

Well . . . . .

If you campaign on the being the President that is going to fix our broken immigration system, then knowing the difference between an H-1B visa and H-2B visa is a good start.

Really? Is he going to be sat at an airport on his days off stamping passports?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 12:08:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 11:47:15 AM

Quote from: yankee on March 05, 2016, 11:28:18 AM
Do tell. What are the qualifications for President?

Hmmmm . . . . . . .

If you are going to campaign on being the President that will support our military the most, it would be a good idea not to issue orders that would make everyone in the military a war criminal.

It was only bluster. Trump already issued a statement that he would not ask officers or enlisted to follow illegal orders. Which I take to mean that will work closely with our allies in the ME who do not have such constraints; same as it's always been. :chuckle2:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 05, 2016, 12:09:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 11:47:15 AM

Quote from: yankee on March 05, 2016, 11:28:18 AM
Do tell. What are the qualifications for President?

Hmmmm . . . . . . .

If you are going to campaign on being the President that will support our military the most, it would be a good idea not to issue orders that would make everyone in the military a war criminal.

These are documented somewhere? I assume by the fact that they are registered candidates that they fully qualified.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 12:13:18 PM

Quote from: bagalia on March 05, 2016, 11:14:49 AM

And in the case of the army following its president. We jump to extremes again. If a president tells the army its OK to waterboard, they will follow him. If he says to fire back at those who would fire upon them then they will. They will do pretty much whatever he says if it will help win a war and keep them alive. I have not heard anyone talking about outright murder of possible innocents (families of terrorists). I could be wrong but I think that was twisting things a bit. Even if it were the case it would be a debatable one.

Great post. It's well known by former Secret Service agents and law enforcement officers that Hillary Clinton is arrogant, condescending and does not respect our military, secret service agents, nor law enforcement. Trump OTOH has an excellent relationship with law enforcement and the military and most veterans. They are going to vote for Trump, and it's not even going to be close. (that is if Hillary is even allowed to continue her campaign. As of right now the guy who set up her server just got immunity to testify about what he knows)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 05, 2016, 12:35:00 PM

WTF Enhanced interrogation is just that enhanced interrogation. War Crimes however are the systematic killing of innocents.

Consider that George W Bush and Barrack Hussein Obama combined have authorized thousands of Drones Strikes in the ISIS/Al Qaeda/Taliban/etc., dominated areas including Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and wherever Islamic Radical Terrorists congregate.

Consider that of these thousands of strikes many included collateral damage - primarily associates and family members or neighbors of Radical Islamic Terrorists. However strikes against weddings, parties, misidentified dwellings and even a Doctors Without Borders Hospital in Afghanistan have resulted in numerous deaths known as collateral damages but have resulted in War Crimes charges in the international courts of justice against both George W Bush and Barrack Hussein Obama.

The current and prior Presidents will not travel to the EU as private citizens due to likely arrest on charges of War Crimes and yet Trump is accused of being a torturer and war criminal because he condones enhanced interrogation?

Ironic how it is quite alright for the elite's hand-picked GOP or DEM CiCs to authorize combat operations and any collateral damages are dismissed under the grounds of it being an OOOOPS!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 05, 2016, 12:42:06 PM

A good point and we'll made Cufflinks.

The hyocricy is flowing strongly at the moment.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 05, 2016, 12:44:52 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 08:47:53 AM

^^ All I can say to that is, why didn't he request to fly missions in Vietnam?

I would expect, without knowing, that it had to do with not putting life and limb at risk in a shitty war that nobody seemed particularly interested in winning.

That said, I've never understood the fascination with comparing two disparate roles in two disparate wars fought forty years apart as if there was some relationship b/w them.

Quote from: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 08:47:53 AM

We know his father flew combat missions during WWII and was shot down over the Pacific. Why didn't Bush Jr. insist on being in the thick of the action?

How is that relevant?

Quote from: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 08:47:53 AM

I suspect he used his family's connections to avoid combat duty. A key difference IMO between the WWII generation and the Vietnam generation. Granted, Vietnam is not a war most of us would have liked to have been involved in, with 20/20 hindsight.

I'm not sure there was hindsight involved. WWII was a war to save civilization; Vietnam was a quagmire, with no strategy other than fighting a war of attrition against an enemy that didn't mind sacrificing its soldiers.

Quote from: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 08:47:53 AM

Fast forward to the Iraq War. George Bush Sr. wisely kicked Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait, however he resisted hawks who wanted him to go all the way to Baghdad and depose Hussein. Cheney is on record at that time as saying it would not have been a good idea to do that; because what then? Who would replace Saddam Hussein? Not to mention that Hussein had been our guy -- he balanced out Iran. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Hussein was a Soviet client; we did from time to time provide him with battlefield intel in the war with Iran but I wouldn't overstate the relationship.

The riddle of the Middle East is that, with the notable exception of the 1953 coup in Iran, when you replace a guy you don't like, you usually get something far worse.

Quote from: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 08:47:53 AM

So what changed? Was it George Bush Jr's ego and immaturity? The argument has been made that Bush Sr. had a lot more maturity, common sense and long term thinking capability. I've read privately that the members of cabinet of Bush Sr. did not approve of Bush Jr's gung-ho drive to war.

Cheney seemed to have come around to a different point of view.

Quote from: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 08:47:53 AM

The holding up of alleged WMD turned out false.

As long as we're dealing in counterfactuals, what if it had turned out to be true? Or what if Bush II *believed* it was true (which I assume he did)?

Quote from: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 08:47:53 AM

Cheney outed a career CIA officer (Valerie Plume) because her intelligence assessment did not agree with what they wanted to hear.

Valerie Plame was outed by Richard Armitage. Disregarding whether it was a wise idea, even the authors of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982 agree that this disclosure would not have violated the Act.

Quote from: yankee on March 05, 2016, 09:22:32 AM

A little post script. The F-104 was retired from Vietnam service in 1967. Nice to be trained on an asset that will never be used in Vietnam.

Would that be something to take up with the Guard?

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 12:58:03 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 05, 2016, 12:44:52 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 08:47:53 AM
^^ All I can say to that is, why didn't he request to fly missions in Vietnam?

I would expect, without knowing, that it had to do with not putting life and limb at risk in a shitty war that nobody seemed particularly interested in winning.

That said, I've never understood the fascination with comparing two disparate roles in two disparate wars fought forty years apart as if there was some relationship b/w them.

Quote from: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 08:47:53 AM
We know his father flew combat missions during WWII and was shot down over the Pacific. Why didn't Bush Jr. insist on being in the thick of the action?

How is that relevant?

It's relevant to me and to many other voters, because it shows a lack of character and a lack of willingness to support the military mission of the day. More importantly those leaders who have been exposed to combat are less eager and willing to expose future generations to combat, IMO. Hence George Bush Sr. did what he had no choice to do. He built a real coalition and he got Iraq out of Kuwait. Did the fact that there were oil wells there have anything to do with it? Of course it did, but not for the cynical reasons the left likes to promote.

But I digress. George Bush Sr. was more pragmatic, more intelligent and had more common sense (which after all is not so common) than his son. We could have kept Hussein weak with the no-fly zones alone. No need to eliminate him, and then what? We can see then what. Iran is more powerful than ever. Obama then handed the ME to ISIS and to Russia. Did I miss anything?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on March 05, 2016, 01:08:31 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 05, 2016, 11:14:59 AM

So much for the "businessman" managing international trade . . . . . . . .

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-s-bad-logic-on-%E2%80%9Cbad-trade-deals%E2%80%9D-200134642.html#

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I was just reading this article and it just shows how the opposition is grasping at straws. It starts with how Trump got the numbers wrong on the campaign trail. I do not care if he magnified the numbers by 200 billion when the possible real numbers are still 300 billion higher than they should be. I wonder if the other candidates knew the correct figures at the time. The trade deficit is a problem and that is the message.

He then goes on to discuss how the real numbers are tiny in the big picture and trade deficits are good for us and allow people to buy goods at a cheaper price, a win for those with small incomes. It is more complicated than this and everyone should also read the comments section to get a better look at the arguments against his logic.

I am concerned only with one small part, that the government here gives tax money to people with no jobs so that they can buy cheaper products and support other governments. Myself, I would rather see a person paid $1500 a month to work a factory job here than to get it free from taxes, send it overseas and remain unemployed.

There is a constant nitpicking over things trying to show that Trump is not capable of being president. The reality is that nobody really is. A president is only as capable as those that surround him and the damage he can do is not much more than Obama has done (not to belittle that fact). It is perhaps more important to me that the anti-obama comes along and reverses what he has done. Obama was also not qualified to be president.

Candidates say a lot of things that change once in office either because they don't really mean what they say or they find a more complete reality once there. Most campaigns do not get into specifics because they can be torn apart be the opposition and because it is near impossible to know everything so they just generalize it. Trump goes further than others will go and his numbers are not always spot on but his ideas are good in general.

Trump says that he will make Mexico pay for the wall. Immediately you have the opposition along with Mexico thinking he will demand cash up front and that just ain't going to happen. He is crazy, a lunatic. We won't give him a peso! There are many ways to get Mexico to pay for the wall including just cutting off money we may be giving them or renegotiating deals that give them an edge.

But to get back to the article. I suppose it may appeal to Democrats or a faction of the population but Trump nails it for his followers and an equal or larger faction of the population.

Trump does more than just rally against things. He brings things back into a debate and if he were to act on his argument here, there will be plenty of debate just as there has been under Obama. I am of the thought that trade deficits are a bad thing for jobs and that is more important than buying tv's or toyota's cheaply.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 05, 2016, 04:36:52 PM

The country is going to hell in a handbasket and people are lecturing us about Trump's supposed lack of decorum.

I suppose your Drill Instructor at Parris Island (where they train Marines) was as pleasant as pie?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 05, 2016, 09:22:06 PM

Looks like the 4 GOP primaries are going to be split between Cruz and Trump with nothing for Rubio. The GOP establishment must be apoplectic. Probably pulling their hair out. Having to choose between Cruz and Trump for a nominee. If they have to choose, Trump is the obvious choice. There have been many reports in the media of Cruz telling his Senate colleagues that he's not compromising he's doing it his way. Trump has done deals all over the world, not in politics but he's use to compromising to get the job done.

Trump is saying it's time for Rubio to drop out. Probably a little early, however if Rubio loses Florida and doesn't make up for it by winning a number of other states on March 15, then Rubio's time is up.

BTW according to Wikipedia, the two states Trump won Kentucky and Louisiana, both are closed. Louisiana is a primary and Kentucky a caucus.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/latest-hit-back-walk-away-choice-trump-rivals-181147066--election.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 06, 2016, 05:00:02 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 12:58:03 PM

It's relevant to me and to many other voters, because it shows a lack of character and a lack of willingness to support the military mission of the day.

It might, if it were contemporaneous, but as it is, it's overly simplistic, similar to what happened to Jeb during the campaign merely because of a familial relation.

Quote from: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 12:58:03 PM

More importantly those leaders who have been exposed to combat are less eager and willing to expose future generations to combat, IMO. Hence George Bush Sr. did what he had no choice to do. He built a real coalition and he got Iraq out of Kuwait. Did the fact that there were oil wells there have anything to do with it? Of course it did, but not for the cynical reasons the left likes to promote.

Bush the Elder had no qualms about using the military in pursuit of policy goals at all (Iraq, Panama), and his prior service insulated him from a great deal of criticism. That said, they were unrelated to each other, other than in a "grammar school analysis" kind of way.

Bush I didn't go to Baghdad not out of any sense of mercy for Saddam, but based on the relative fragility of the coalition on that point. You play the hand you're dealt.

Quote from: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 12:58:03 PM

Iran is more powerful than ever.

We have Jimmy "The Original Miserable Failure" Carter to thank for that.

Quote from: Anteros on March 05, 2016, 12:58:03 PM

Obama then handed the ME to ISIS and to Russia.

I think you're giving Obama too much agency here. He certainly didn't 'cause' ISIS, and permitting Russia to restore the status quo, ante, doesn't bother me at all. Sure, Assad sucks, but DAESH is *worse*, demonstrating, as I've said before, that, outside of the 1953 coup, when you have regime change in the M/E, things tend to get WORSE, not better.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 06, 2016, 08:41:04 AM

While it was clear at the time that his 'service' was not as desultory as was claimed at the time he certainly was very fortunate to be able to avoid risk or harm and to stay close to home. That's not an accident and certainly not an outcome that would have been open to many other men with similar intellect and other capabilities.

That noted, I have given the matter some thought and my take is this: anyone who was not an absolute mope would have been fully aware of the pointlessness of the war. The Bush family could make no excuses in that regard. Given the position of Bush Senior outright avoidance would not have been an option.

If I were Bush Junior I'd like to think that I'd have acted similarly to him and I'd like to think that if I were father to the son that I'd have supported and aided him to the best of my ability, within the constraints of my social and professional position.

I am less clear about those who took other means but I know that I did not feel any great ethical twinges when friends of mine used health or education loopholes to avoid, or postpone beyond call up limits, their national service.

In my opinion this is an invented issue that is used as dishonestly by both Republican and Democratic party mouthpieces.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 06, 2016, 09:05:54 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 05, 2016, 12:35:00 PM

WTF Enhanced interrogation is just that enhanced interrogation. War Crimes however are the systematic killing of innocents.

Consider that George W Bush and Barrack Hussein Obama combined have authorized thousands of Drones Strikes in the ISIS/Al Qaeda/Taliban/etc., dominated areas including Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and wherever Islamic Radical Terrorists congregate.

Consider that of these thousands of strikes many included collateral damage - primarily associates and family members or neighbors of Radical Islamic Terrorists. However strikes against weddings, parties, misidentified dwellings and even a Doctors Without Borders Hospital in Afghanistan have resulted in numerous deaths known as collateral damages but have resulted in War Crimes charges in the international courts of justice against both George W Bush and Barrack Hussein Obama.

The current and prior Presidents will not travel to the EU as private citizens due to likely arrest on charges of War Crimes and yet Trump is accused of being a torturer and war criminal because he condones enhanced interrogation?

Ironic how it is quite alright for the elite's hand-picked GOP or DEM CiC's to authorize combat operations and any collateral damages are dismissed under the grounds of it being an OOOOPS!

Of course you're correct yet we see in politics, especially with the establishment, the importance of using diplomatic language to deflect away from harsh realities.

Right now the race has gotten very interesting because the guy now in 2nd place is the guy who they like even less than they like Trump. :ROFL:

Furthermore I agree with Bob Dole and others that Trump has a much better chance to beat Hillary than Ted Cruz. Trump is going to focus like a laser beam on Hillary's actions towards women who came out against her husband's philandering during those many scandals. Trump has also positioned himself as flexible on Planned Parenthood because of the many good things they do for women which are not abortion related.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 06, 2016, 10:02:21 AM

Quote from: B.B. on March 06, 2016, 05:00:02 AM

It might, if it were contemporaneous, but as it is, it's overly simplistic, similar to what happened to Jeb during the campaign merely because of a familial relation.

Well it would seem that Trump and "W" Bush are contemporaneous in military service.

Trump received 4 deferments and then was classed as 4F on his second induction physical after being classed as 1A on his first examination.

Bush served with distinction in the Texas national Guard, which B.B. has so accurately documented upthread.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 06, 2016, 11:12:59 AM

^^ When Trump is the nominee I am not going to vote for him because he did or did not serve in Vietnam, I am going to vote for him because I genuinely believe that he can not only negotiate much better trade deals with China, Japan and Mexico, but also because I believe he is going to build a proper wall and enforce existing immigration law. Furthermore I believe he's our best chance to avoid another economic meltdown even worse than that of 2008.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 06, 2016, 12:09:05 PM

Now for a really great scientific breakthrough:

Donald Trump to win the Presidency if nominated at a chance of 97-99%.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/498fap/i_am_professor_helmut_norpoth_and_i_published_a/

I am Professor Helmut Norpoth, and I published a model which predicted Donald Trump to win the Presidency if nominated at a chance of 97-99%. Ask Me Anything! (self.The_Donald)
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I teach political science at Stony Brook University. I am co-author of The American Voter Revisited (2008). I have developed a model to forecast presidential elections. It picked the winner of the popular vote in all five elections since it was introduced. The predictors are primary performance and an electoral cycle.

http://primarymodel.com/sbustatesman22616/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 09:41:15 AM

I did not initially like Governor John Kasich however he's been really doing a great job lately of talking about certain things which I like. I'm beginning to think that a Trump & Kasich ticket is exactly what we need to win, baby win!

Ted Cruz is too polarizing and did not get along well enough with his colleagues in Congress. Rubio not going to win in Florida, bye bye Rubio.

Kasich is the calm, reasoned and well credentialed type of guy to balance out Trump's very rough edges. Kasich has a lot of crossover appeal to Democrats.

Trump/Kasich 2016! :gousa:

tiphat :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 07, 2016, 10:31:25 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 06, 2016, 09:05:54 AM

Trump is going to focus like a laser beam on Hillary's actions towards women who came out against her husband's philandering during those many scandals.

Man that's going to be bloody! Can you imagine the blood spray from the burst vein in Hillary's temple when Trump brings that up at the debates?!!

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 07, 2016, 10:46:39 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 09:41:15 AM

I did not initially like Governor John Kasich however he's been really doing a great job lately of talking about certain things which I like. I'm beginning to think that a Trump & Kasich ticket is exactly what we need to win, baby win!

Ted Cruz is too polarizing and did not get along well enough with his colleagues in Congress. Rubio not going to win in Florida, bye bye Rubio.

Kasich is the calm, reasoned and well credentialed type of guy to balance out Trump's very rough edges. Kasich has a lot of crossover appeal to Democrats.

Trump/Kasich 2016! :gousa:

tiphat :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 07, 2016, 11:53:29 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 09:41:15 AM

I did not initially like Governor John Kasich however he's been really doing a great job lately of talking about certain things which I like. I'm beginning to think that a Trump & Kasich ticket is exactly what we need to win, baby win!

I've been calling Kasich the ideal VP selection for months now.

Quote from: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 09:41:15 AM

Ted Cruz is too polarizing and did not get along well enough with his colleagues in Congress.

I've mentioned that a time or two before as well.

Quote from: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 09:41:15 AM

Rubio not going to win in Florida, bye bye Rubio.

Latest poll today makes it a 5-point spread

Quote from: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 09:41:15 AM

Kasich has a lot of crossover appeal to Democrats.

You'd better worry about who Republicans support rather than crossover support. 50% of Republicans will not vote for Trump.

Quote from: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 09:41:15 AM

Trump/Kasich 2016!

Let's see . . . . . .pairing a Democrat (Trump) with the most liberal Republican in the field.

Really great idea. :sick0012:

Won't happen. Hasn't he already offered that position to Christie?

I'll be voting for Kasich in Ohio as the first step in many to deny Trump the nomination.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 07, 2016, 12:10:34 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2016, 11:53:29 AM

You'd better worry about who Republicans support rather than crossover support. 50% of Republicans will not vote for Trump.

I'll be voting for Kasich in Ohio as the first step in many to deny Trump the nomination.

And 20% of the Democrats will vote for Trump and the rest of Bernie's supporters will sit it out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 01:51:52 PM

Everyone has to vote their conscience. However what's really disturbing to me is that certain so called "establishment" types are doing their best to deny the will of the people. Of course in the case of a loser like Mitt Romney he claims he's not establishment and he claims it was not co-coordinated. :laugh: I seriously doubt that. Shakespear making a call to his "insider" (or insiders) in Congress, who say a plan to derail Trump is afoot, make it abundantly clear that these so called establishment types are quaking in their boots. They've been self-serving narcissist egoists who have gotten away with subverting the will of the people for far too long. Of course Trump voters are "low information" etc. etc.

Meanwhile these scoundrels are disloyal to the party itself and to the will of the people. The attempt to blame Trump supporters because of a delusion that he cannot beat Hillary -- well that's just really sad. It's all speculation and it's much too early to say that any polls could be accurate. As Yankee said the one poll which matters will be in November. Trump has a much better chance of destroying her than any other, by nature that he is strong and won't back down, as Maxx just pointed out up thread. Our country needs a strong leader who won't back down, to get the things done which must get done. Vote your conscience, however if you're not loyal to the party -- then you have nobody to blame but yourself if things go south.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 01:58:20 PM

Quote from: Maxx on March 07, 2016, 12:10:34 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2016, 11:53:29 AM

You'd better worry about who Republicans support rather than crossover support. 50% of Republicans will not vote for Trump.

I'll be voting for Kasich in Ohio as the first step in many to deny Trump the nomination.

And 20% of the Democrats will vote for Trump and the rest of Bernie's supporters will sit it out.

Trump has clearly been the reason that the Republican party has hugely expanded. His supporters cross all demographic lines. Meanwhile due to voter dissatisfaction with HC, the Democratic votes have been shrinking. The writing is on the wall; which is that Trump will win by a landslide. :smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 07, 2016, 02:04:43 PM

Bastion of foaming-at-the-mouth conservatism, Bloomberg News, reports on a recent poll on immigration:

61% don't like immigration. Even LEGAL immigration.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-07/americans-really-don-t-like-immigration-new-survey-finds

If Trump holds fast to talking about "The Wall" he will have a landslide victory.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 02:07:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2016, 11:53:29 AM

Let's see . . . . . .pairing a Democrat (Trump) with the most liberal Republican in the field.

Really great idea. :sick0012:

I really don't see Trump as a Democrat, in fact not even remotely. He is strong on ensuring religious liberty.

He is the only candidate to have the courage to have said -- a pause on Syrian immigration is an absolute must. That stand alone makes him very strong on national defense. The neo-cons and RINO's think that spending Trillions on replacing foreign dictators and attempting to build democracies in stone-age societies is "strong on national defense". I disagree and now a large percentage of Americans are agreeing.

Building a wall and enforcing immigration laws already on the books -- another way to be very strong on national defense.

There are no Democrats who stand for the above 3, because democrats see illegals as undocumented voters. Democrats have sold this country out for their perverse reasons. Not Trump.

Then there's the right to purchase and bear arms. Not one Democrat is 100% pro NRA and pro gun rights, as is Trump.

Wanting to cut fraud and abuse? That would NEVER be done by a democrat. Wanting to be tough in a trade war? Democrats are incredibly weak. Clinton is who allowed NAFTA. His wife would continue to sell us out.

Clear choice for the nominee and President is Trump. Time will tell.... :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 02:09:43 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 07, 2016, 02:04:43 PM

Bastion of foaming-at-the-mouth conservatism, Bloomberg News, reports on a recent poll on immigration:

61% don't like immigration. Even LEGAL immigration.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-07/americans-really-don-t-like-immigration-new-survey-finds

If Trump holds fast to talking about "The Wall" he will have a landslide victory.

Agree 100%! The nation wants a law and order President, and we are screaming for it. Establishment being tone deaf was not and is not listening -- YET.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 07, 2016, 02:36:02 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 01:51:52 PM

Everyone has to vote their conscience. However what's really disturbing to me is that certain so called "establishment" types are doing their best to deny the will of the people.

Oh grow up Anteros.

Until Trump hits 1237 delegates, he hasn't won anything.

If Trump goes to the convention with any number short of 1237, the Republican Party has the right to select the candidate they think has the best chance to beat Hillary Clinton - which should be their primary concern in the first place.

We may not have to worry. Kasich pulled ahead of Trump in Michigan today and a FOX poll released today shows Clinton ahead of Trump by 7 points. Rubio is within 5 points of Trump in Florida and Kasich is now ahead of Trump in Ohio.

If Trump loses Michigan, Ohio and Florida, he will not get to 1237.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 07, 2016, 02:52:26 PM

Isn't it funny how if you ask Donald trump ANYTHING, he will tell you he's always the best at doing it.

:ROFL:

For example, "Donald, have you ever tossed monkeys?"

His predictable reply would be . . . . .

"I have and let me tell you I've tossed so many monkeys, I'm the best monkey tosser on this stage. In fact I've got people in Washington tossing monkeys right now; and you know what? They only toss the best monkeys and if I become President I'm gonna toss the most monkeys out of anybody and the people are going to love my monkeys, they will be the most beautiful monkeys AND the government will PAY for those monkeys to be tossed. In fact the Monkeys will be tossed 10 feet higher and we'll have MEXICO pay for those high tossed monkeys! Its going to be beautiful, fantastic, the best, we're going to win again at tossing monkeys."

And the low information Trump fans go "OMG, this man is going to make monkey tossing great again."

Are we really as a population so stupid as to even consider electing this doofus President of the United States?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 07, 2016, 03:00:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2016, 02:52:26 PM

Are we really as a population so stupid as to even consider electing this doofus President of the United States?[/size]

You are talking past reality.

Immigration is very important as an issue. Gang of 8 Rubio, Ted Cruz, Canadian flip-flopper, neither of them are credible on this issue.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 07, 2016, 03:28:35 PM

Multi billionaire (far richer than Trump) Michael Bloomberg won't be running for president. Apparently after a few weeks of considering it he discovered that running for president as an Independent would only help whichever GOP candidate was nominated.

It took Bloomberg a few weeks to figure this out? I posted the same thing a few weeks ago when he said he might run.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/bloomberg-wont-run-president-220200543.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 07, 2016, 03:30:37 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2016, 02:52:26 PM

Are we really as a population so stupid as to even consider electing this doofus President of the United States?

At the moment, approximately 42% of likely voters are this stupid:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 03:30:49 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2016, 02:36:02 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 01:51:52 PM
Everyone has to vote their conscience. However what's really disturbing to me is that certain so called "establishment" types are doing their best to deny the will of the people.

Oh grow up Anteros.

Until Trump hits 1237 delegates, he hasn't won anything.

If Trump goes to the convention with any number short of 1237, the Republican Party has the right to select the candidate they think has the best chance to beat Hillary Clinton - which should be their primary concern in the first place.

We may not have to worry. Kasich pulled ahead of Trump in Michigan today and a FOX poll released today shows Clinton ahead of Trump by 7 points. Rubio is within 5 points of Trump in Florida and Kasich is now ahead of Trump in Ohio.

If Trump loses Michigan, Ohio and Florida, he will not get to 1237.

Yes, if he's short the party can do whatever they can do, per the rules.

As far as growing up -- I say the exact same thing to you. Grow up and be loyal to the party. That means vote for the nominee -- even if it's Trump. Real grownups have loyalty. Those who are spoiled and don't get their way -- do otherwise.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 03:44:13 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2016, 02:52:26 PM

Isn't it funny how if you ask Donald trump ANYTHING, he will tell you he's always the best at doing it.

:ROFL:

For example, "Donald, have you ever tossed monkeys?"

His predictable reply would be . . . . .

"I have and let me tell you I've tossed so many monkeys, I'm the best monkey tosser on this stage. In fact I've got people in Washington tossing monkeys right now; and you know what? They only toss the best monkeys and if I become President I'm gonna toss the most monkeys out of anybody and the people are going to love my monkeys, they will be the most beautiful monkeys AND the government will PAY for those monkeys to be tossed. In fact the Monkeys will be tossed 10 feet higher and we'll have MEXICO pay for those high tossed monkeys! Its going to be beautiful, fantastic, the best, we're going to win again at tossing monkeys."

I find a guy who believes that he is exceptional at everything he does to be a far better choice for President than a depressing but supposedly hip guy who says that America isn't really that great anymore, and that goes for the shrill lady with the email problem who served in his administration as well.

In fact the more I think about your post above the more I think Trump really is like Reagan. :ROFL:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0043325/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 07:23:39 PM

Trump's position on trade with China and other policy positions.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/us-china-trade-reform

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 07:32:26 PM

From Mr. Trump's website, regarding the Veterans Day Parade in NYC.

Quote
"Mr. Trump has long been a devoted supporter of veteran causes. In 1995, the fiftieth anniversary of World War II, only 100 spectators watched New York City’s Veteran Day Parade. It was an insult to all veterans. Approached by Mayor Rudy Giuliani and the chief of New York City’s FBI office, Mr. Trump agreed to lead as Grand Marshall a second parade later that year. Mr. Trump made a $1 million matching donation to finance the Nation’s Day Parade. On Saturday, November 11th, over 1.4 million watched as Mr. Trump marched down Fifth Avenue with more than 25,000 veterans, some dressed in their vintage uniforms. A month later, Mr. Trump was honored in the Pentagon during a lunch with the Secretary of Defense and the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff."

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/about/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 07, 2016, 09:09:02 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 03:44:13 PM

I find a guy who believes that he is exceptional at everything he does to be...

... suffering from...

Quote from: DSM IV

Narcissistic Personality Disorder

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
(4) requires excessive admiration
(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 07, 2016, 09:18:42 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 07, 2016, 09:09:02 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 03:44:13 PM

I find a guy who believes that he is exceptional at everything he does to be...

... suffering from...

Quote from: DSM IV
Narcissistic Personality Disorder

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
(4) requires excessive admiration
(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Fits Hillary to a T.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 07, 2016, 09:32:01 PM

Quote from: Maxx on March 07, 2016, 09:18:42 PM

Fits Hillary to a T.

Here is an article that makes that claim:

http://humanevents.com/2007/05/14/analysis-of-hillary-reveals-clinical-narcissism/

Please apply critical thinking and tell me what is wrong with that article.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 10:02:30 PM

The Trump train is gathering more speed and steam. Rep. Tom Marino of Pennsylvania has just endorsed Mr. Trump.

article
U.S. Congressman Tom Marino, who represents part our area, is throwing his support behind Donald Trump.

The Republican representing the 10th District announced his support in an interview with politico.com.

Marino is the first Pennsylvania Congressional House member to endorse Trump.

In a statement, Marino said Trump has, “defied the odds at every turn.”

Marino said he has never seen such excitement and enthusiasm around a candidate in his lifetime.

Marino represents Bradford, Montour, Northumberland, Pike, Snyder, Sullivan, Susquehanna, Union, Wayne, and Wyoming counties as well as parts of Lackawanna, Luzerne, Lycoming, and Tioga counties.

Marino’s full statement:

“For the past 10 months, I have listened to political pundits and inside the beltway politicians say that Donald Trump is not a serious candidate, cannot win the Republican nomination and cannot win the Presidency. However, Mr. Trump has defied the odds at every turn. It is time that we start listening to what the people want and that is a President Donald Trump. I am proud to give Mr. Trump my full endorsement and support today.

In particular, Mr. Trump is right about the desperate need to address illegal immigration and fight to keep our country safe. For far too long, President Obama has used his executive action powers to circumvent Congress and institute dangerous policies that both cripple our national security and economy.

I have never seen such excitement and enthusiasm around a candidate in my lifetime. He is able to attract new voters from across the spectrum and that is exactly what our party and country needs. It is time that we put a strong leader in the White House and I believe Donald Trump is the right man for the job.

It is time for us to come together and Make America Great Again!”

http://citizensfortrump.com/2016/03/01/rep-tom-marino-endorses-donald-trump-for-president/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 10:16:33 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 07, 2016, 09:32:01 PM

Quote from: Maxx on March 07, 2016, 09:18:42 PM
Fits Hillary to a T.

Here is an article that makes that claim:

http://humanevents.com/2007/05/14/analysis-of-hillary-reveals-clinical-narcissism/

Please apply critical thinking and tell me what is wrong with that article.

For Donald Trump, numbers 2, 3, 5 & 7 of the NPD which you posted above are entirely false.

3. Donald doesn't need to fantasize as he's already got a great deal of success, power, sufficient intellect, and he has ideal love with his current wife.

5. He actually does not have that much sense of entitlement. He's worked very hard for his success for nearly 6 decades. Everywhere he goes in NYC ordinary men and women love him as one of the people, which brings us to:

7. Trump has far more empathy than certain people (the haters) give him credit for. He's done a lot of charity for people over the years. Just simply helping out people he meets, who needed a hand up. If he didn't have empathy, he wouldn't do that. People who meet him in person and get to know him really like him. He has a lot of empathy for blue collar men and women, which is why blue collar persons are voting for him in droves.

Of course you don't like the article, because the sister of Pat Buchanan wrote it. Too bad. In fact Hillary is known to be extremely rude and dismissive towards Secret Service agents and Law Enforcement. She is absolutely NOT a woman of the people. Out of the spotlight her fake smile disappears and everybody knows she is an ice princess. When she was 1st Lady everybody who saw her walking down the hallway would disappear in order to avoid her. At her request people working in the White House were not allowed to speak with her.

Sorry Tom. Donald is certainly somewhat narcissistic, however he has many other much better strengths, and he has a genuine fondness and interest in real Americans. So your attempt to hate on the man fails. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 08, 2016, 01:36:49 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 10:16:33 PM

In fact Hillary is known to be extremely rude and dismissive towards Secret Service agents and Law Enforcement. She is absolutely NOT a woman of the people. Out of the spotlight her fake smile disappears and everybody knows she is an ice princess. When she was 1st Lady everybody who saw her walking down the hallway would disappear in order to avoid her. At her request people working in the White House were not allowed to speak with her.

I've heard retired Secret Service agents make claims like those. This woman is really scary. I know Matt Drudge who exposed the Bill and Monica scandal said, "Can you imagine Hillary with the power of the NSA at her disposal? I may have to leave the country like Snowden."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 08:41:29 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 08, 2016, 01:36:49 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 07, 2016, 10:16:33 PM
In fact Hillary is known to be extremely rude and dismissive towards Secret Service agents and Law Enforcement. She is absolutely NOT a woman of the people. Out of the spotlight her fake smile disappears and everybody knows she is an ice princess. When she was 1st Lady everybody who saw her walking down the hallway would disappear in order to avoid her. At her request people working in the White House were not allowed to speak with her.

I've heard retired Secret Service agents make claims like those. This woman is really scary. I know Matt Drudge who exposed the Bill and Monica scandal said, "Can you imagine Hillary with the power of the NSA at her disposal? I may have to leave the country like Snowden."

There are a multitude of stories about her, this one is older than others.

quote

"Hillary Clinton was arrogant and vocally abusive to her security detail. She forbade her daughter, Chelsea, from exchanging pleasantries with them. Sometimes Chelsea, miffed at her mother's obvious conceit and mean spiritedness ignored her demands and exchanged pleasantries regardless, but never in her mother's presence. Chelsea really was a nice, kindhearted, and lovely young lady. The consensus opinion was that Chelsea loved her Mom but did not like her.

Hillary Clinton was continuously rude and abrasive to those who were charged to protect her life. Her security detail dutifully did their job, as professionals should, but they all "loathed" her and wanted to be on a different detail. She was hard to work for because she was so nasty and mean toward her detail. Hillary Clinton was uniformly despised by the Secret Service as a whole."

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/secretservice.asp

a newer link.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653420/Get-f-away-Hillary-Clinton-shouted-minder-refused-carry-bag-She-treated-Secret-Service-like-hired-help-Bill-softie-hard-manage-says-former-agent-bombshell-expose.html

a link for the book discussed above.

http://www.amazon.com/Within-Arms-Length-Definitive-Protecting/dp/1250044715/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1402431820&sr=1-1&keywords=within+arms+length

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 08, 2016, 08:56:56 AM

This is what you get when an idiot writes a news piece:

"Almost inconceivable that Clinton won't be charge with something"

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/video/napolitano-almost-inconceivable-clinton-won-132249616.html

I suppose that it's good enough for Fox's viewers, though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 09:01:17 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 08:56:56 AM

This is what you get when an idiot write a news piece:

"Almost inconceivable that Clinton won't be charge with something"

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/video/napolitano-almost-inconceivable-clinton-won-132249616.html

I seriously doubt if Judge Napolitano wrote that. This sort of mistake is common now, and it's made by the editor and or the proof reader or the clerk who writes the headline and the article from what they are handed.

All you have to do is listen to the video of the Judge speaking. In the video the Judge clearly says "charged".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 08, 2016, 09:11:22 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 07, 2016, 09:32:01 PM

Please apply critical thinking and tell me what is wrong with that article.

Apparently, there are no critical thinkers to take the challenge.

The article states: "... Hillary bears all the classic symptoms of 'clinical narcissism'” but failed to list all of the classic symptoms.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 08, 2016, 09:11:45 AM

Interesting though how this stuff spreads without being checked, sub-edited, or noticed.

When one does a search for that text one finds many examples of it. Some on Fox sites, or sites that take Fox feeds but also it turns up on external sites where one might expect a degree of checking, selection, or sub-editing, to occur.

One gets an idea of how faked stories get such wide traction when one sees this kind of error. Nobody is providing human oversight in the 'news' process here. If something is published at the top of the system it is being accepted at face value in the lower and wider levels.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 08, 2016, 09:15:52 AM

^ When one writes for an audience of bigots and idiots, details aren't important; simply make a unsupported accusation and then use the made-up accusation to support your position.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 08, 2016, 09:34:25 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 09:01:17 AM

I seriously doubt if Judge Napolitano wrote that. This sort of mistake is common now, and it's made by the editor and or the proof reader or the clerk who writes the headline and the article from what they are handed.

All you have to do is listen to the video of the Judge speaking. In the video the Judge clearly says "charged".

I didn't attribute the grammatical hack to Napolitano, did I? I wonder about people who vigorously argue against a point that was not made.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 08, 2016, 10:35:35 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 09:15:52 AM

^ When one writes for an audience of bigots and idiots, details aren't important; simply make a unsupported accusation and then use the made-up accusation to support your position.

It's system-wide though. Examples include the Rolling Stone article on a rape on campus, that had to be retracted in full; and anything involving the walking, talking catastrophe in pop culture known as Lena Dunham.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 11:27:24 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 09:15:52 AM

^ When one writes for an audience of bigots and idiots, details aren't important; simply make a unsupported accusation and then use the made-up accusation to support your position.

Rather like the claim by left-wing media that Trump did not disavow David Duke and the KKK. Or that Trump called all Mexicans rapists and murderers, when he was clearly referring to the immoral actions of the Mexican government. Cuba did a similar trick to us years ago, and it's common knowledge.

My answer to your specific accusation above is: When one labels all people who like Donald Trump as "an audience of bigots and idiots" then we really have nothing to discuss, as you are making your own "unsupported accusation".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 12:26:28 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 08:56:56 AM

This is what you get when an idiot writes a news piece:

"Almost inconceivable that Clinton won't be charge with something"

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/video/napolitano-almost-inconceivable-clinton-won-132249616.html

I suppose that it's good enough for Fox's viewers, though.

Tom here's an interesting headline on the front page of the NYT. "Panic Were Risk Is Tiny;Stoicism Where It's Real". Mistakes on the front page of the NYT. I guess no one in the US media cares.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/20/new-york-times-ebola-typo-mistake-error-front-page-cover_n_6014112.html

More typos on the front page of the NYT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/29/new-york-times-typo-front-page-obama_n_5410296.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 08, 2016, 12:35:32 PM

Most common sense I've heard from a newspaper in years . . . . . . . . .

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/floridas-sun-sentinel-no-gop-candidate-worth-163139142.html?clear=cache

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on March 08, 2016, 12:51:50 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 11:27:24 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 09:15:52 AM
^ When one writes for an audience of bigots and idiots, details aren't important; simply make a unsupported accusation and then use the made-up accusation to support your position.

Rather like the claim by left-wing media that Trump did not disavow David Duke and the KKK. Or that Trump called all Mexicans rapists and murderers, when he was clearly referring to the immoral actions of the Mexican government. Cuba did a similar trick to us years ago, and it's common knowledge.

My answer to your specific accusation above is: When one labels all people who like Donald Trump as "an audience of bigots and idiots" then we really have nothing to discuss, as you are making your own "unsupported accusation".

Not too removed from what happened here in the Uk not so long ago when anyone who voiced concerns over immigration or any other issue was immediately labelled a bigot, racist, xenophobe, homophobe, Islamophobe, mysoginist and so on.
It's why there is no debate to be had with people of that ilk.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 08, 2016, 01:29:49 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 11:27:24 AM

... Or that Trump called all Mexicans rapists and murderers, when he was clearly referring to the immoral actions of the Mexican government.

Weasel words will get you nowhere; I haven't seen any claims that Trump called ALL Mexicans rapists and murderers.

p.s. This has nothing to do with Cuba, unless you are trying to float a crank theory that Cuba and Mexico are in collusion.

Quote from: Donald Trump

When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

When I first heard the above comments, I thought that his use of the word, "send," was odd but it isn't surprising that it made perfect sense to bigots and idiots.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 01:51:30 PM

Latest presidential election modeling shows that Trump will beat Clinton (87% chance) and Trump will beat Sanders (99% chance). This modeling is called the Primary Model. It has a perfect record of predicting the winner in the presidential race since 1996.

http://primarymodel.com/

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/03/08/trump-would-dominate-clinton-sanders-in-the-general-election-data-model-predicts/

Trump 2016.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 08, 2016, 01:58:42 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 01:51:30 PM

Latest presidential election modeling shows that Trump will beat Clinton (87% chance) and Trump will beat Sanders (99% chance). This modeling is called the Primary Model. It has a perfect record of predicting the winner in the presidential race since 1996.

http://primarymodel.com/

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/03/08/trump-would-dominate-clinton-sanders-in-the-general-election-data-model-predicts/

Trump 2016.

That isn't remarkable. All one has to do is to cherry pick the parameters that are associated with past outcomes. In keeping with the ridiculousness of this premise, we should check what Nostradamus predicted about election 2016.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 08, 2016, 02:13:51 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 01:29:49 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 11:27:24 AM
... Or that Trump called all Mexicans rapists and murderers, when he was clearly referring to the immoral actions of the Mexican government.

Weasel words will get you nowhere; I haven't seen any claims that Trump called ALL Mexicans rapists and murderers.

p.s. This has nothing to do with Cuba, unless you are trying to float a crank theory that Cuba and Mexico are in collusion.

Quote from: Donald Trump
When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

When I first heard the above comments, I thought that his use of the word, "send," was odd but it isn't surprising that it made perfect sense to bigots and idiots.

Certainly enough time has passed that an informed view on Mexico would include the knowledge that both economically and socially it is comprised of 3 main pieces:

"the elites" (mostly Spanish-descended, generationally wealthy, corrupt, run the govt behind the scenes)

"middle class" (tiny as a %age but more of them than the elites; the professional class that work for the elite, govt, small to mid size businesses)

"poor" (few Spanish, mostly "Indian" genetics, looked down upon as talking farm equipment, basically; numerically the largest portion of the population)

The elites, encourage the poor to migrate to USA. You don't understand why the elite would see this strategy as being in their own best interests?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 03:35:20 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 01:29:49 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 11:27:24 AM
... Or that Trump called all Mexicans rapists and murderers, when he was clearly referring to the immoral actions of the Mexican government.

Weasel words will get you nowhere; I haven't seen any claims that Trump called ALL Mexicans rapists and murderers.

p.s. This has nothing to do with Cuba, unless you are trying to float a crank theory that Cuba and Mexico are in collusion.

Quote from: Donald Trump
When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

When I first heard the above comments, I thought that his use of the word, "send," was odd but it isn't surprising that it made perfect sense to bigots and idiots.

:-*

Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 08, 2016, 12:51:50 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 11:27:24 AM
Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 09:15:52 AM
^ When one writes for an audience of bigots and idiots, details aren't important; simply make a unsupported accusation and then use the made-up accusation to support your position.

Rather like the claim by left-wing media that Trump did not disavow David Duke and the KKK. Or that Trump called all Mexicans rapists and murderers, when he was clearly referring to the immoral actions of the Mexican government. Cuba did a similar trick to us years ago, and it's common knowledge.

My answer to your specific accusation above is: When one labels all people who like Donald Trump as "an audience of bigots and idiots" then we really have nothing to discuss, as you are making your own "unsupported accusation".
Not too removed from what happened here in the Uk not so long ago when anyone who voiced concerns over immigration or any other issue was immediately labelled a bigot, racist, xenophobe, homophobe, Islamophobe, mysoginist and so on.
It's why there is no debate to be had with people of that ilk.

The part I bolded here is especially for TomT and any other so called "liberal". I use that word subjectively, as I find their labels and their attempts to shut down discussions to be very unhealthy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 03:39:51 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 08, 2016, 02:13:51 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 01:29:49 PM
Quote from: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 11:27:24 AM
... Or that Trump called all Mexicans rapists and murderers, when he was clearly referring to the immoral actions of the Mexican government.

Weasel words will get you nowhere; I haven't seen any claims that Trump called ALL Mexicans rapists and murderers.

p.s. This has nothing to do with Cuba, unless you are trying to float a crank theory that Cuba and Mexico are in collusion.

Quote from: Donald Trump
When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

When I first heard the above comments, I thought that his use of the word, "send," was odd but it isn't surprising that it made perfect sense to bigots and idiots.

Certainly enough time has passed that an informed view on Mexico would include the knowledge that both economically and socially it is comprised of 3 main pieces:

"the elites" (mostly Spanish-descended, generationally wealthy, corrupt, run the govt behind the scenes)

"middle class" (tiny as a %age but more of them than the elites; the professional class that work for the elite, govt, small to mid size businesses)

"poor" (few Spanish, mostly "Indian" genetics, looked down upon as talking farm equipment, basically; numerically the largest portion of the population)

The elites, encourage the poor to migrate to USA. You don't understand why the elite would see this strategy as being in their own best interests?

I'm not sure if you've looked at "adios America" by my favorite conservative author. She makes the point that the New York Times is now owned by Mexican Billionaire Carlos Sims. He's done a very good job of trying to label people and choke any real discussion. Interesting to me that we (the USA) allow a corrupt person like him tell us how to think -- but it's exactly what happened, and no doubt the Obama administration approves of it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 03:43:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 08, 2016, 12:35:32 PM

Most common sense I've heard from a newspaper in years . . . . . . . . .

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/floridas-sun-sentinel-no-gop-candidate-worth-163139142.html?clear=cache

It seems to me that we nearly always must choose between the lesser of two evils...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 08, 2016, 03:54:57 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 11:27:24 AM

Rather like the claim by left-wing media that... Trump called all Mexicans rapists and murderers...

I'm still waiting for you to provide evidence that the left-wing media made such a claim.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 08, 2016, 04:01:56 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 08, 2016, 02:13:51 PM

The elites, encourage the poor to migrate to USA. You don't understand why the elite would see this strategy as being in their own best interests?

I don't agree that it is in the Mexican elites' best interests to send us their low-cost labor. I also disagree that any substantial number of émigrés are being sent.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 04:09:30 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 03:54:57 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 11:27:24 AM
Rather like the claim by left-wing media that... Trump called all Mexicans rapists and murderers...

I'm still waiting for you to provide evidence that the left-wing media made such a claim.

Can't get more left wing than the Huffington Post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_us_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 05:06:12 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 04:09:30 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 03:54:57 PM
Quote from: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 11:27:24 AM
Rather like the claim by left-wing media that... Trump called all Mexicans rapists and murderers...

I'm still waiting for you to provide evidence that the left-wing media made such a claim.

Can't get more left wing than the Huffington Post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-outrageous-things-donald-trump-has-said-about-latinos_us_55e483a1e4b0c818f618904b

Ooohhhh. Singer Ricky Martin wrote a "scathing" rebuke of Trump. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on March 08, 2016, 05:33:50 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 01:58:42 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 01:51:30 PM
Latest presidential election modeling shows that Trump will beat Clinton (87% chance) and Trump will beat Sanders (99% chance). This modeling is called the Primary Model. It has a perfect record of predicting the winner in the presidential race since 1996.

http://primarymodel.com/

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/03/08/trump-would-dominate-clinton-sanders-in-the-general-election-data-model-predicts/

Trump 2016.

That isn't remarkable. All one has to do is to cherry pick the parameters that are associated with past outcomes. In keeping with the ridiculousness of this premise, we should check what Nostradamus predicted about election 2016.

Nostradamus only got as far as Obama.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 08, 2016, 05:41:58 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 04:01:56 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 08, 2016, 02:13:51 PM
The elites, encourage the poor to migrate to USA. You don't understand why the elite would see this strategy as being in their own best interests?

I don't agree that it is in the Mexican elites' best interests to send us their low-cost labor. I also disagree that any substantial number of émigrés are being sent.

Elites own all the stores and import/export businesses. Carlos Slim Helu , among owning many other things, owns both landline and cell business (a large chunk of both); there is a complex-to-explain telecom scam that he runs on all the numbers he owns - but suffice it to say it makes him several extra million, at least, each year, in unearned and illegal profits.

Do you seriously believe, that the Mexican govt would print up and distribute millions of "how to safely cross the USA border" pamphlets if the elites didn't want that? Even the lefty Politifact grudgingly admits it to be true: http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/may/29/lamar-smith/smith-says-mexico-hands-out-brochures-showing-migr/

They printed up a minimum of 1.5 million of them, by the way. And that was 10 years ago.

(I am using "Mexican" in the sense of "Latin American" - it could be Guatemala, El Salvador, etc.)

The cycle is this:

export the people you don't like in the first place

now you don't have to feed them, educate them, fix roads (since they won't be present to drive on them) - allows you to steal more govt funds

guy goes to USA, earns money in USD

remittance of money , need to have it converted from USD to local currency - earns foreign exchange, propping up the peso artificially

family member that receives the money , spends 95% of it on needed items, maybe a few convenience/lux goods, or cell phone (benefits Carlos Slim etc.)

all the stores are owned by elite - money minus cost of good sold, ends up in elite pockets

calls places from USA to Mexico - more money for Carlos Slim!

use presence in USA to agitate for more-friendly legislation to original country

USA gets all the expenses during the working lifetime, USA pays for all hospital expenses, childbirth, etc.

When they retire and have money to spend, they retire to Mexico - easy to service these people and again, take their money

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 08, 2016, 05:52:32 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 01:29:49 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 11:27:24 AM
... Or that Trump called all Mexicans rapists and murderers, when he was clearly referring to the immoral actions of the Mexican government.

Weasel words will get you nowhere; I haven't seen any claims that Trump called ALL Mexicans rapists and murderers.

p.s. This has nothing to do with Cuba, unless you are trying to float a crank theory that Cuba and Mexico are in collusion.

Quote from: Donald Trump
When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

When I first heard the above comments, I thought that his use of the word, "send," was odd but it isn't surprising that it made perfect sense to bigots and idiots.

Wow, you really have a superiority complex.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on March 08, 2016, 06:03:43 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 04:01:56 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 08, 2016, 02:13:51 PM
The elites, encourage the poor to migrate to USA. You don't understand why the elite would see this strategy as being in their own best interests?

I don't agree that it is in the Mexican elites' best interests to send us their low-cost labor. I also disagree that any substantial number of émigrés are being sent.

I hear the word but for a long time there are many who believe that Mexico would prefer that the bad element leave the country. If they know of a crime and do nothing about it then they are a party to it. In that sense they are sending us their problems and have only to do nothing.

(though Yankee did a better job of spelling it all out)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 08, 2016, 07:03:21 PM

Trump had a good night winning both Michigan and Mississippi.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 07:03:55 PM

Quote from: yankee on March 08, 2016, 05:52:32 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 01:29:49 PM
Quote from: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 11:27:24 AM
... Or that Trump called all Mexicans rapists and murderers, when he was clearly referring to the immoral actions of the Mexican government.

Weasel words will get you nowhere; I haven't seen any claims that Trump called ALL Mexicans rapists and murderers.

p.s. This has nothing to do with Cuba, unless you are trying to float a crank theory that Cuba and Mexico are in collusion.

Quote from: Donald Trump
When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.

When I first heard the above comments, I thought that his use of the word, "send," was odd but it isn't surprising that it made perfect sense to bigots and idiots.

Wow, you really have a superiority complex.

He really had that thing going a few years ago, and then thankfully gave it a rest. But looks like Godzilla is coming back! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 07:06:13 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on March 08, 2016, 07:03:21 PM

Trump had a good night winning both Michigan and Mississippi.

Damn, you beat me to it. I was going to gloat! :laugh:

Hey Shakespear, how's your little conspiracy to derail Trump working out?

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 07:08:48 PM

Quote from: bagalia on March 08, 2016, 06:03:43 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 04:01:56 PM
Quote from: Slumba on March 08, 2016, 02:13:51 PM
The elites, encourage the poor to migrate to USA. You don't understand why the elite would see this strategy as being in their own best interests?

I don't agree that it is in the Mexican elites' best interests to send us their low-cost labor. I also disagree that any substantial number of émigrés are being sent.

I hear the word but for a long time there are many who believe that Mexico would prefer that the bad element leave the country. If they know of a crime and do nothing about it then they are a party to it. In that sense they are sending us their problems and have only to do nothing.

(though Yankee did a better job of spelling it all out)

Mexico knows exactly what they're doing, because like Trump clearly stated their government is run by persons much smarter then our government. Same goes for the perennial weakness of our government in dealing with China.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 07:22:08 PM

Trump wins Mississippi and Michigan. The surprise being that Kasich is #2 in Michigan, Cruz #3 and Rubio a distant #4. If Rubio loses Florida next week he's gone.

Can Kasich explode in future primaries and caucuses and challenge Trump? I'm sure the GOP establishment is praying for it to happen.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=michigan+primary&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=yYffVr_xKMGujAOug7a4AQ#eob=m.04rrx/R/2/short/m.04rrx/&gws_rd=cr

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 08, 2016, 07:33:25 PM

Quote from: yankee on March 08, 2016, 05:52:32 PM

Wow, you really have a superiority complex.

It would be more of a problem if I was running for president.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 07:46:28 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 07:33:25 PM

Quote from: yankee on March 08, 2016, 05:52:32 PM
Wow, you really have a superiority complex.

It would be more of a problem if I was running for president.

Yeah, because you would be about as successful as Jim Gilmore. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 08, 2016, 07:48:23 PM

Slumba,

It's true that there is an outflow of cash from immigrants to their left-behind families but the bulk of the workers have very low wages and the cost of living is much higher than in Mexico. One would think that the tourism and drug sectors would be greater sources of revenue for Mexico. Getting rid of their peasants won't help them in those areas.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 07:49:25 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 07:22:08 PM

Trump wins Mississippi and Michigan. The surprise being that Kasich is #2 in Michigan, Cruz #3 and Rubio a distant #4. If Rubio loses Florida next week he's gone.

Can Kasich explode in future primaries and caucuses and challenge Trump? I'm sure the GOP establishment is praying for it to happen.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=michigan+primary&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=yYffVr_xKMGujAOug7a4AQ#eob=m.04rrx/R/2/short/m.04rrx/&gws_rd=cr

Kasich will never get much closer then he is now. However he would be a very good possibility for VP. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 08, 2016, 08:02:03 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 07:06:13 PM

Damn, you beat me to it. I was going to gloat! :laugh:

Hey Shakespear, how's your little conspiracy to derail Trump working out?

The victory celebration is premature.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 08, 2016, 08:03:08 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 07:33:25 PM

Quote from: yankee on March 08, 2016, 05:52:32 PM
Wow, you really have a superiority complex.

It would be more of a problem if I was running for president.

I would think that you might have to give up too much to be able to do that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 08:12:15 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 08:02:03 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 07:06:13 PM
Damn, you beat me to it. I was going to gloat! :laugh:

Hey Shakespear, how's your little conspiracy to derail Trump working out?

The victory celebration is premature.

The real victory celebration will occur on November 8th. Are you one of those who will move to Canada when Trump wins the Presidency? :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 08, 2016, 08:37:58 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 07:48:23 PM

Slumba,

It's true that there is an outflow of cash from immigrants to their left-behind families but the bulk of the workers have very low wages and the cost of living is much higher than in Mexico. One would think that the tourism and drug sectors would be greater sources of revenue for Mexico. Getting rid of their peasants won't help them in those areas.

You might recall that unlike the USA, whose dollars are accepted all over the globe, these counties have currencies which are not as desirable and thus end up pegged to either the dollar or the Euro; officially or unofficially. Thus the earning of foreign exchange is quite important to them.

Guatemala's remittances from USA are the 2nd highest source of money coming into the country.

links:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remittance#The_United_States

Not quite $24 Billion per year going into Mexico: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/money/2015/05/05/mexicans-in-us-send-home-57-billion-in-remittances-in-first-3-months-2015/

Assuming even a 10% net profit margin, with 90% of the money spent, means $2.16B in net profits per year. That money is ending up in someone's pocket...

Remittance is 10% of Guatemala GDP : http://www.ticotimes.net/2014/12/02/remittances-account-for-10-percent-of-guatemalas-gdp

I could go on, but you get my point. Note USA GDP is about $15 Trillion, so 10% of GDP adjusted for USA would be $1.5T - pretty significant.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 08, 2016, 08:52:56 PM

^ Some of that 24B is probably payment for drugs. Even if it's not, the drug business brings far more revenue into the country. Moreover, revenues from drugs are likely to be understated.

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=342471&CategoryId=14091

The World Bank claims that tourism in Mexico only brings in 14B annually. That is much less than I thought. Of course, it's possible that the books are being cooked to reduce taxation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 09:03:00 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 08:52:56 PM

^ Some of that 24B is probably payment for drugs. Even if it's not, the drug business brings far more revenue into the country. Moreover, revenues from drugs are likely to be understated.

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=342471&CategoryId=14091

64 Billion Dollars of poison these people bring into the USA yet you "liberals" and establishment Republicans alike don't like Trump for bringing this problem to the forefront of the Presidential debates. Shame. >:(

quote

"Garcia Luna said that organized criminal groups – in particular, the cartels – are a risk for public and national security in the hemisphere".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 09:04:50 PM

Not only did Trump win Michigan by a significant margin, he won Dearborn MI. Dearborn is home to one of the largest concentrations of Muslims in the US.

http://www.arabamericannews.com/news/news/id_11898/Sanders,-Trump-win-in-Dearborn.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 08, 2016, 09:06:49 PM

^ Gosh, if it wasn't for Trump, I wouldn't even be aware of the Mexican drug cartels. :prophead:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 09:17:40 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 09:06:49 PM

^ Gosh, if it wasn't for Trump, I wouldn't even be aware of the Mexican drug cartels. :prophead:

I obviously wasn't referring specifically to you, Tom. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 08, 2016, 09:18:47 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 09:04:50 PM

Not only did Trump win Michigan by a significant margin, he won Dearborn MI. Dearborn is home to one of the largest concentrations of Muslims in the US.

http://www.arabamericannews.com/news/news/id_11898/Sanders,-Trump-win-in-Dearborn.html

tiphat

PS Romney's little stunt didn't hurt Trump at all -- in fact it helped him. I hope these establishment guys keep up their attacks on Trump. :laugh:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/08/poll-mitt-romney-helps-hurts-trump/81478380/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 08, 2016, 10:33:39 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 08:52:56 PM

^ Some of that 24B is probably payment for drugs. Even if it's not, the drug business brings far more revenue into the country. Moreover, revenues from drugs are likely to be understated.

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=342471&CategoryId=14091

The World Bank claims that tourism in Mexico only brings in 14B annually. That is much less than I thought. Of course, it's possible that the books are being cooked to reduce taxation.

Hmmm, those are cash remittances. They average under $350 per transaction.

It is the case that drug cartels bring in huge amounts of dollars, but then again, drug lords anywhere are going to hide/mis-state the cash. Given that the transaction fees can be quite high and that there are limits per-day and per-transaction, I think it is very likely that they have alternate ways of money laundering.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 10:47:41 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 08, 2016, 10:33:39 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 08:52:56 PM
^ Some of that 24B is probably payment for drugs. Even if it's not, the drug business brings far more revenue into the country. Moreover, revenues from drugs are likely to be understated.

http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=342471&CategoryId=14091

The World Bank claims that tourism in Mexico only brings in 14B annually. That is much less than I thought. Of course, it's possible that the books are being cooked to reduce taxation.

Hmmm, those are cash remittances. They average under $350 per transaction.

It is the case that drug cartels bring in huge amounts of dollars, but then again, drug lords anywhere are going to hide/mis-state the cash. Given that the transaction fees can be quite high and that there are limits per-day and per-transaction, I think it is very likely that they have alternate ways of money laundering.

Global banking giant HSBC has been caught laundering money for drug cartels a few times. Got the equivalent of a slap on the wrist in each case. Wouldn't be surprised if they've done it more often than they've admitted to.

Having HSBC move your money around the world would make money laundering a snap. :money: :money: :money:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/04/hsbc-fined-278m-over-money-laundering-claims

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/14/hsbc-money-laundering-report-bank

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hsbc-s-1-9b-money-laundering-settlement-approved-by-judge-1.1377272

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 09, 2016, 12:49:32 AM

Trump wins Hawaii fairly easily over Cruz with Rubio a very distant 3rd and Kasich 4th. I would have thought that with Hawaii being a very liberal state even the GOP there might be more favourable to Kasich, after all lots of ethnic minorities there and all the liberals are saying Trump can't possibly win over many minorities.

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/hi/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 09, 2016, 12:57:39 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 10:47:41 PM

Global banking giant HSBC has been caught laundering money for drug cartels a few times. Got the equivalent of a slap on the wrist in each case. Wouldn't be surprised if they've done it more often than they've admitted to.

Having HSBC move your money around the world would make money laundering a snap. :money: :money: :money:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/04/hsbc-fined-278m-over-money-laundering-claims

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/14/hsbc-money-laundering-report-bank

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hsbc-s-1-9b-money-laundering-settlement-approved-by-judge-1.1377272

Do you know why HSBC got a "slap on the wrist' and not had its executives sent to prison? Because they also launder money for the CIA's "black budget" (No Congressional oversight).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 09, 2016, 01:18:25 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 09, 2016, 12:57:39 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 10:47:41 PM

Global banking giant HSBC has been caught laundering money for drug cartels a few times. Got the equivalent of a slap on the wrist in each case. Wouldn't be surprised if they've done it more often than they've admitted to.

Having HSBC move your money around the world would make money laundering a snap. :money: :money: :money:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/04/hsbc-fined-278m-over-money-laundering-claims

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/14/hsbc-money-laundering-report-bank

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hsbc-s-1-9b-money-laundering-settlement-approved-by-judge-1.1377272

Do you know why HSBC got a "slap on the wrist' and not had its executives sent to prison? Because they also launder money for the CIA's "black budget" (No Congressional oversight).

Wouldn't be surprised. I've read that supposedly the CIA's annual black budget is in the billions. They'd need a well connected financial institution to move the money around the world.

Of course there are other agencies in the US government that have black budgets. The NSA comes to mind. They'd probably use the same banker as the CIA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 09, 2016, 03:26:27 AM

I seen US Senator Elizabeth Warren shocked during Senate hearings on this that no ~~proper~~ investigation was done of the personnel of the bank. Its like when the Federal Reserve is audited everything is accounted for but the money lent out and under what conditions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on March 09, 2016, 03:36:41 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 09, 2016, 01:18:25 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 09, 2016, 12:57:39 AM
Quote from: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 10:47:41 PM

Global banking giant HSBC has been caught laundering money for drug cartels a few times. Got the equivalent of a slap on the wrist in each case. Wouldn't be surprised if they've done it more often than they've admitted to.

Having HSBC move your money around the world would make money laundering a snap. :money: :money: :money:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/04/hsbc-fined-278m-over-money-laundering-claims

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/14/hsbc-money-laundering-report-bank

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hsbc-s-1-9b-money-laundering-settlement-approved-by-judge-1.1377272

Do you know why HSBC got a "slap on the wrist' and not had its executives sent to prison? Because they also launder money for the CIA's "black budget" (No Congressional oversight).

Wouldn't be surprised. I've read that supposedly the CIA's annual black budget is in the billions. They'd need a well connected financial institution to move the money around the world.

Of course there are other agencies in the US government that have black budgets. The NSA comes to mind. They'd probably use the same banker as the CIA.

And you boys start wars against legitimate countries who you accuse of being corrupt?? :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 09, 2016, 06:44:35 AM

Quote from: rosco on March 09, 2016, 03:36:41 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 09, 2016, 01:18:25 AM
Quote from: Maxx on March 09, 2016, 12:57:39 AM
Quote from: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 10:47:41 PM

Global banking giant HSBC has been caught laundering money for drug cartels a few times. Got the equivalent of a slap on the wrist in each case. Wouldn't be surprised if they've done it more often than they've admitted to.

Having HSBC move your money around the world would make money laundering a snap. :money: :money: :money:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/04/hsbc-fined-278m-over-money-laundering-claims

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/14/hsbc-money-laundering-report-bank

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hsbc-s-1-9b-money-laundering-settlement-approved-by-judge-1.1377272

Do you know why HSBC got a "slap on the wrist' and not had its executives sent to prison? Because they also launder money for the CIA's "black budget" (No Congressional oversight).

Wouldn't be surprised. I've read that supposedly the CIA's annual black budget is in the billions. They'd need a well connected financial institution to move the money around the world.

Of course there are other agencies in the US government that have black budgets. The NSA comes to mind. They'd probably use the same banker as the CIA.

And you boys start wars against legitimate countries who you accuse of being corrupt?? :'(

I don't start any wars. It's the Neo-Cons of the MIC that do that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on March 09, 2016, 06:56:57 AM

Quote from: rosco on March 09, 2016, 03:36:41 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 09, 2016, 01:18:25 AM
Quote from: Maxx on March 09, 2016, 12:57:39 AM
Quote from: WestCoast on March 08, 2016, 10:47:41 PM

Global banking giant HSBC has been caught laundering money for drug cartels a few times. Got the equivalent of a slap on the wrist in each case. Wouldn't be surprised if they've done it more often than they've admitted to.

Having HSBC move your money around the world would make money laundering a snap. :money: :money: :money:

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jun/04/hsbc-fined-278m-over-money-laundering-claims

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jan/14/hsbc-money-laundering-report-bank

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hsbc-s-1-9b-money-laundering-settlement-approved-by-judge-1.1377272

Do you know why HSBC got a "slap on the wrist' and not had its executives sent to prison? Because they also launder money for the CIA's "black budget" (No Congressional oversight).

Wouldn't be surprised. I've read that supposedly the CIA's annual black budget is in the billions. They'd need a well connected financial institution to move the money around the world.

Of course there are other agencies in the US government that have black budgets. The NSA comes to mind. They'd probably use the same banker as the CIA.

And you boys start wars against legitimate countries who you accuse of being corrupt?? :'(

Starting wars, is about the only thing the yanks are good at..

Finishing them, these days, is left to Russia..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 09, 2016, 08:18:57 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 08, 2016, 08:02:03 PM

The victory celebration is premature.

True that Tom.

In total Trump only picked up 15 delegates over Cruz.

It's all about trading time for delegates in hopes Trump doesn't get to 1327.

In that regard, Cruz clearly won Tuesday night.

More PROOF Trump CANNOT beat Clinton - the gap is widening - now 50 to 41
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-clinton-leads-trump-aided-by-obama-coalition/2016/03/08/40dd6698-e575-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 09, 2016, 08:50:21 AM

^ The last four major polls are in agreement.

According to the Post poll, Clinton has a massive advantage with women, minorities, the educated and the young. This shouldn't come as a great surprise; the results correlate with the way that Trump presents himself toward those groups. One of the most telling points was that 5% more Republicans claimed that they would vote against their party's candidate than Democrats. Just how this translates to electoral votes remains to be seen, of course.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 09, 2016, 09:08:54 AM

So, Shakespear, do you STILL prefer a Democrat president over Trump?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 09:13:28 AM

Polls are easy to manipulate or get wrong. Hillary Clinton was supposed to be Sanders by over 20 points in Michigan. It did not turn out that way at all.

Trump is not only going to beat Hillary, it's going to be one of the greatest landslides ever. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 09, 2016, 09:19:53 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 09:13:28 AM

Trump is not only going to beat Hillary, it's going to be one of the greatest landslides ever. :coffeeread:

Money talks, bullshit walks.

Give me double or nothing on Trump vs Clinton. Even odds.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 09, 2016, 10:09:26 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 09:13:28 AM

Polls are easy to manipulate or get wrong.

That's true but the results of this particular poll are consistent with the way that Trump has alienated women, minorities, the young and the educated. Not to worry, I'm sure that he is still doing very well with old white men who have incestuous leanings.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 09, 2016, 03:52:57 PM

Interesting article on why Trump will be the next president. The difference in the presidential election from a primary or caucus is that a presidential election is not about which candidate gets the most votes. If that were the case Al Gore would have been president in 2000 instead of Bush the Younger.

Even more important is the fact that most states are either red or blue and rarely change. According to the article only 7 states will decide the presidency in 2016, Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, Nevada, Iowa and New Hampshire. Again according to the article, Trump has the edge in the much needed electoral votes. Get ready to say President Trump.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-the-edge/2016/03/01/president-donald-trump-likely-the-next-occupant-of-the-white-house

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 09, 2016, 05:01:56 PM

There's a real possibility Trump will be the next president.
Polls show Hillary, and Bernie both ahead of Trump, but this means little.
The democrats have not had the blood fest the Republicans have been hitting each other with. The moment the Republicans turn their attention on the democratic candidate, and if Hillary her past will be exposed and her poll numbers will plummet.
.
Better get used to the idea of president Trump, it's much better than the democratic alternative.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 09, 2016, 05:03:00 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 09, 2016, 10:09:26 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 09:13:28 AM
Polls are easy to manipulate or get wrong.

That's true but the results of this particular poll are consistent with the way that Trump has alienated women, minorities, the young and the educated. Not to worry, I'm sure that he is still doing very well with old white men who have incestuous leanings.

Trump will get some of the black vote. Illegal immigration hit working- and middle-class blacks (at least, those not in govt) hard.

Trump will get some of the Hispanic vote. They respect strength.

Women who trust Hillary are barely 50% of the Democrats. Successful business man with a hot younger wife = preselection, which will make him more attractive to women.

Mass. and New York states are in play with Trump as candidate. Two states that Cruz would have no chance in (don't know about Kasich, he is quite far behind at this point).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 09, 2016, 05:07:21 PM

Perhaps the author of the U.S. News story is an old white man.

Quote from: Jeff Nesbit

The head-to-head polling in New Hampshire is all over the map right now. One (NBC) has them in a dead heat. Another (CNN) had Clinton up by nine. But they were all taken in early January, long before primary madness swept through the state...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nh/new_hampshire_trump_vs_clinton-5596.html

Nesbit was dishonest on multiple counts:

1) +1 is not a dead heat; it is within the margin of error.
2) They were not all taken in early January.
3) He disregarded the PPP poll showing Clinton at +14.
4) He deliberately failed to report that Trump has never bested Clinton in the 12 major head-to-head polls.

This is an example of how dishonest people cherry-pick and misrepresent data to support their prejudices.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 05:15:00 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 09, 2016, 09:19:53 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 09:13:28 AM
Trump is not only going to beat Hillary, it's going to be one of the greatest landslides ever. :coffeeread:

Money talks, bullshit walks.

Give me double or nothing on Trump vs Clinton. Even odds.

Sorry, I already said no to that specific proposition, and that is my final decision on that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 09, 2016, 05:17:33 PM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-10%20at%204.14.21%20AM_zpsfhv4wbl5.png)

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Quinnipiac-Trump-Doubles-Rubio/2016/03/09/id/718249/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 09, 2016, 05:26:17 PM

Wasn't Anteros the guy who predicted the "greatest landslide ever?"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 05:33:21 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 09, 2016, 10:09:26 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 09:13:28 AM
Polls are easy to manipulate or get wrong.

That's true but the results of this particular poll are consistent with the way that Trump has alienated women, minorities, the young and the educated.

You're blowing smoke out your back side with a poll. Looking at the real results of who has been voting for Trump we can see clearly that women, minorities, the young and the well educated have all been voting for Trump. Contrary to your usual pattern of presenting a slanted narrative, there really is a movement involved in supporting Trump which involves everybody, not just one group.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 05:38:44 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 09, 2016, 05:07:21 PM

This is an example of how dishonest people cherry-pick and misrepresent data to support their prejudices.

I'm going to rub your face in that statement come the evening of November 8th.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 05:40:13 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 09, 2016, 05:26:17 PM

Wasn't Anteros the guy who predicted the "greatest landslide ever?"

On November 8th against HC if she is the Democratic nominee, or whoever they put up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 09, 2016, 05:47:41 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 05:33:21 PM

Looking at the real results of who has been voting for Trump we can see clearly that women, minorities, the young and the well educated have all been voting for Trump.

Apparently, you have a mental block which prevents you processing certain types of data.

Quote from: Washington Post

Trump is chosen by barely one-fifth of non-white voters...
Clinton has a 21-point lead over Trump among women...
Trump carries voters without college degrees by 57 to 33 percent;
Clinton wins those with college degrees by 52 to 37 percent.
But those under age 40 favor Clinton by a nearly 2-to-1 margin.

I've underlined the important points to make it easier for you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 05:54:59 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 09, 2016, 05:47:41 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 05:33:21 PM
Looking at the real results of who has been voting for Trump we can see clearly that women, minorities, the young and the well educated have all been voting for Trump.

Apparently, you have a mental block which prevents you processing certain types of data.

Quote from: Washington Post
Trump is chosen by barely one-fifth of non-white voters...
Clinton has a 21-point lead over Trump among women...
Trump carries voters without college degrees by 57 to 33 percent;
Clinton wins those with college degrees by 52 to 37 percent.
But those under age 40 favor Clinton by a nearly 2-to-1 margin.

And you've got an even larger mental block which prevents you from seeing the writing on the wall. You despise Trump and you're just grasping at straws with manipulated and early polls.

Do I really need to remind you that early polls had Jeb Bush as being the "sure thing" who was going to win it all?

81% of the American public do not trust Hillary Clinton and they are not going to vote for her. See there?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 09, 2016, 05:55:45 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 05:38:44 PM

I'm going to rub your face in that statement come the evening of November 8th.

I don't think that I'll rub salt in your wounds if Trump loses in November; you will probably be wallowing in depression for another eight years and I wouldn't want anything that you might do to be on my conscience.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on March 09, 2016, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 05:54:59 PM

81% of the American public do not trust Hillary Clinton

I'm not American and even I don't trust Hillary Clinton.

I'm not sure Trump is the ideal guy, but at least he has some go in him and a bit of passion (and a cute Slavic wife). The rest of them look so insincere to me.

Could he get it more wrong than the last couple of presidents? Doubtful.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 09, 2016, 06:00:00 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 05:54:59 PM

81% of the American public do not trust Hillary Clinton and they are not going to vote for her. See there?

Quote from: Washington Post

Just 27 percent of Americans rated Trump as honest and trustworthy. That compared with 37 percent for Clinton, 42 percent for Cruz and 47 percent for Rubio.

Please read the links; having to spoon-feed information to you in bite-sized pieces is very tiresome.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 09, 2016, 06:08:43 PM

Quote from: Manny on March 09, 2016, 05:58:53 PM

I'm not American and even I don't trust Hillary Clinton.

The original issue is that he predicted that Trump would win by a landslide. He just threw out an unsubstantiated claim about trustworthiness because he ran out of sound arguments. The claim that 81% of Americans are not going to vote for Hillary is bizarre beyond words... and I know quite a few words.

I predict that Hillary will receive approximately 48% of the popular vote... but what do I know?

News flash: NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll has Clinton at +13 nationwide.

Another news flash: Clinton just pulled ahead of Trump in Florida polling on RCP.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 08:20:52 PM

Quote from: Manny on March 09, 2016, 05:58:53 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 05:54:59 PM
81% of the American public do not trust Hillary Clinton

I'm not American and even I don't trust Hillary Clinton.

I'm not sure Trump is the ideal guy, but at least he has some go in him and a bit of passion (and a cute Slavic wife). The rest of them look so insincere to me.

Could he get it more wrong than the last couple of presidents? Doubtful.

You as a man married to a Russian lady should hope and pray it's not Hillary (it won't be, I'm just saying it for effect). Because as Gypsy has already implied, she would be the most likely to get the USA involved in another ME conflict, with Russia as an enemy. I feel the same way (I'm pretty confident it won't be Hillary, however I still say my prayers as well) in that she would not only be a disaster for the US economy, she would be a disaster for World peace as well.

Trump is the calmest and has the best ability to carefully pick the right mix of military leaders and a real statesman as Secretary of State. Not another John Kerry, that's for sure. A Trump team by nature of him being married to a Slavic lady IMO and in the opinion of many others, is most likely to not only ensure peace with Russia, but to work on real business partnerships which would benefit both countries.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 08:23:21 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 09, 2016, 06:00:00 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 05:54:59 PM
81% of the American public do not trust Hillary Clinton and they are not going to vote for her. See there?

Quote from: Washington Post
Just 27 percent of Americans rated Trump as honest and trustworthy. That compared with 37 percent for Clinton, 42 percent for Cruz and 47 percent for Rubio.

Please read the links; having to spoon-feed information to you in bite-sized pieces is very tiresome.

Don't even bother wasting your time! I get tired of trying to point out the 800lb gorilla in the room. Donald J. Trump! Hillary is a very flawed candidate who doesn't even remotely stand a chance!

Waste your time on somebody who's interested in reading or listening to your BS. I'm putting you back on ignore. Poka! :-*

For the intelligent people in the room reading this, I suggest you read the polls which claimed Hillary would easily beat Bernie. Remember those polls? Now it's true, she will beat him, but only because of the endemic corruption of the Democratic selection process.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 09, 2016, 08:47:12 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 08:20:52 PM

You as a man married to a Russian lady...

Add histrionics to his many fine qualities.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 09, 2016, 11:08:27 PM

Quote from: Maxx on March 09, 2016, 05:17:33 PM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-10%20at%204.14.21%20AM_zpsfhv4wbl5.png)

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/Quinnipiac-Trump-Doubles-Rubio/2016/03/09/id/718249/

If Trump wins both Florida and Ohio then it's time for all the others to call it a day and organise behind Trump. Both Florida and Ohio are on March 15.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/09/politics/trump-clinton-lead-florida-ohio/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 10, 2016, 02:03:15 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 09, 2016, 08:47:12 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 08:20:52 PM
You as a man married to a Russian lady...

Add histrionics to his many fine qualities.

I was wondering about that last night. You know Tom the people you lean towards really hate "white privileged American males" marrying "Mail-Order-Brides" especially with a considerable age gap. Do you factor that in with your political leanings? And if I may ask what of your friends? How do they see your marriage to Nellie? I know the liberals that I knew in Minnesota loathed me for marrying a Russian woman 14 years my junior. The wives of the husbands that were my friends really heard a mouthful about their displeasure and discomfort of what I did. Or is it different in Connecticut?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 10, 2016, 02:31:11 AM

SPRINGTIME FOR PUNDITS
March 9, 2016

If you're into self-dramatization, Donald Trump’s candidacy is perfect for you.

Half of the Washington political class is vowing to vote for Hillary -- even Stalin! -- over Trump; psychologists (and massage therapists) report they are treating patients for "Trump anxiety"; lengthy thought-pieces on Trump have no room to mention his signature issue, immigration, but get prolix on George Wallace, Mussolini and Hitler. (Never Mao, Stalin or Lenin, curiously.)

You're going to have to act quickly if you hope to be among the first 200 princesses to feel the pea under 15 layers of mattresses.

To save you time, I will provide the prototype. Do not be surprised if the following turns up, word for word, under the byline of David Brooks, Stephen Hayes, Cokie Roberts, every single writer for Salon, Gawker, National Review, Commentary and The Huffington Post. And then, of course, Fareed Zakaria will steal it.

** ** **

"J'accuse Donald Trump”

Watching the candidacy of Donald Trump, I am continually struck by his resemblance to a man who came to power in a far-off land nearly 85 years ago, a historical epic that I had naively hoped was well buried in the past.

Consider the following:

-- Adolf Hitler held gigantic rallies, where he inspired millions with rousing speeches. Donald Trump holds gigantic rallies, where he inspires millions with rousing speeches.

-- Adolf Hitler talked about making his country great again. Donald Trump talks about making his country great again.

-- Adolf Hitler promised military victories. Donald Trump promises military victories.

-- Adolf Hitler had a loyal and overweight henchman, Hermann Goering. Donald Trump has a loyal and overweight henchman, Chris Christie.

-- Adolf Hitler blamed a specific group of immigrants for all the nation's problems (Ed: Jews weren't immigrants -- Close enough!). Donald Trump blames a specific group of immigrants for all the nation's problems.

-- Adolf Hitler vowed to build a wall (Ed: Wait a minute -- when did Hitler talk about a wall? Shhhh! Nevermind!) Donald Trump vows to build a wall.

-- Adolf Hitler was a teetotaler. Donald Trump is a teetotaler.

-- Adolf Hitler had a hobby that he enjoyed very much (painting). Donald Trump has a hobby that he enjoys very much (golf).

-- Adolf Hitler had an opulent home in the city as well as a country home, "The Berghof" in Berchtesgaden. Donald Trump has an opulent home in the city as well as a country home, "Mar-a-Lago" in Palm Beach.

-- Adolf Hitler was involved with a woman from Central Europe, Eva Braun. Donald Trump is married to a woman from Central Europe, Melania Knauss.

-- Adolf Hitler had a pact with the Soviet Union from 1939 to 1941; Donald Trump said nice things about Russian president Vladimir Putin.

-- Adolf Hitler required all non-Jewish, German civilians to greet one another with a rigid right-arm salute, while exclaiming "Heil!" or "Heil Hitler!" Donald Trump has asked audiences to promise to vote for him by raising their hands, which is the PRECISELY same thing.

-- Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian; Donald Trump has never smoked.

-- Adolf Hitler forcibly annexed Czechoslovakia. Donald Trump tried to merge two casinos in Atlantic City.

-- Adolf Hitler invested hundreds of millions of dollars on German aviation to upgrade the Luftwaffe. Donald Trump has invested hundreds of millions of dollars in private jets.

-- Adolf Hitler never had any children, but if he had, they would probably have been blond. Both of Donald Trump's daughters are blond.

-- Adolf Hitler's favorite food was liver dumplings, a dish very similar to meatloaf. (Ed.: They're not remotely similar. No one knows that.) Donald Trump's favorite food is meatloaf.

-- Adolf Hitler had light hair and a moustache. Donald Trump has light hair and a moustache. (This has not been definitively established, but some who knew Trump in the 1970s recall that he had a moustache, albeit a fuller, longer one.)

-- One of Adolf Hitler's idols was World War I fighter pilot Manfred von Richthofen, also known as "the Red Baron." Donald Trump's son is named Barron. (It's spelled differently, but sounds the same.)

-- Adolf Hitler liked Eva Braun because she was very attractive; Donald Trump's wife, Melania, is very attractive.

-- Adolf Hitler vowed to exterminate entire races; Donald Trump has vowed to exterminate ALL Mexicans and Central Americans. (Mr. Trump has yet to call for this, but if he had, it would be an amazing parallel and speak very ill of his character.)

-- One of Adolf Hitler's favorite desserts, not his No. 1 favorite, but one he enjoyed several times a year, was chocolate ice cream. Donald Trump has talked about formerly liking Oreos. (Recently, he vowed never to eat Oreos again because Nabisco moved its factories to Mexico. This does not negate his previous position on the cookie.)

-- Adolf Hitler was known for erecting concentration camps – surrounded by walls to keep people out, particularly Mexicans. (Ed: That's not true.) Donald Trump wants to build a wall.

-- Allowing Adolf Hitler to come to power was a horrible mistake for an entire nation; allowing Donald Trump to come to power will be a horrible mistake for an entire nation.

In conclusion, [dramatic music plays] I have covered American politics for 30 years. For the first time in my life I am afraid for my country. Very afraid. Very, very afraid. Very, very, very afraid.

COPYRIGHT 2016 ANN COULTER

DISTRIBUTED BY UNIVERSAL UCLICK

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 10, 2016, 02:51:00 AM

Is this Ann Coulter some kind if intellectual giant among USAians?
An inspirational thought leader with insights unavailable to the average American?

What a shocking piece!

By the way, I have a sneaking suspicion that Trump's campaign success has been a surprise to nobody more than to Trump himself.
I thought, a few months ago, that he might well have been a stalking horse for Clinton. No, I think that he WAS a stalking horse for Clinton (there's plenty of circumstantial evidence to support the contention) but that the surprise of his success led to a change in plan. The manner in which his campaign has been managed and seems very often to be created on the fly seems to attest to a campaign that was never intended to go as far as it has.

If I am right then Trump may, in a perverse manner, offer the best chance for the US to take steps back toward democracy and a return of power to the 'people' as opposed to 'legal people' because Trump can be, and is showing himself to be, his own man.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 10, 2016, 03:02:22 AM

Ann got her start on TV talk shows with her rapier tongue against Bill and Hillary and by showing a lot of leg.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 10, 2016, 03:04:18 AM

Can I confess, based upon the evidence of the piece that you pasted here, that I am unimpressed by her abilities.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 10, 2016, 03:07:14 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 10, 2016, 02:51:00 AM

If I am right then Trump may, in a perverse manner, offer the best chance for the US to take steps back toward democracy and a return of power to the 'people' as opposed to 'legal people' because Trump can be, and is showing himself to be, his own man.

Why he is loved by some and despised by others is his enormous ego. The people who love him hope his ego will drive him to prove himself by fixing the nation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 10, 2016, 03:10:02 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 10, 2016, 03:04:18 AM

Can I confess, based upon the evidence of the piece that you pasted here, that I am unimpressed by her abilities.

Ann was a 20 something when she got her break. Now she has a hard time pulling off that shtik now that she is 54.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 10, 2016, 05:36:22 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 10, 2016, 02:03:15 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 09, 2016, 08:47:12 PM
Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 08:20:52 PM
You as a man married to a Russian lady...

Add histrionics to his many fine qualities.

I was wondering about that last night. You know Tom the people you lean towards really hate "white privileged American males" marrying "Mail-Order-Brides" especially with a considerable age gap. Do you factor that in with your political leanings? And if I may ask what of your friends? How do they see your marriage to Nellie? I know the liberals that I knew in Minnesota loathed me for marrying a Russian woman 14 years my junior. The wives of the husbands that were my friends really heard a mouthful about their displeasure and discomfort of what I did. Or is it different in Connecticut?

What an odd claim by Tom. I certainly meant no disrespect towards anyone married to a Russian lady, I was just offering my opinion that Trump is the best choice for peace between the USA, our NATO allies, and Russia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 10, 2016, 05:37:52 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 10, 2016, 02:51:00 AM

Is this Ann Coulter some kind if intellectual giant among USAians?
An inspirational thought leader with insights unavailable to the average American?

http://www.amazon.com/Adios-America-Ann-Coulter/dp/1621572676

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 10, 2016, 07:44:22 AM

Quote from: Manny on March 09, 2016, 05:58:53 PM

I'm not American and even I don't trust Hillary Clinton.

I'm not sure Trump is the ideal guy, but at least he has some go in him and a bit of passion (and a cute Slavic wife). The rest of them look so insincere to me.

Could he get it more wrong than the last couple of presidents? Doubtful.

I agree that if our country could survive 8 years of an Obama Presidency, we could survive 4 years of Trump as President. But it isn't going to happen. Clinton will destroy Trump in a General Election.

First Manny, Trump IS NOT going to win the Republican nomination. The primary election next Tuesday in Ohio is the key to the process. If Trump loses Ohio, he will not get the required 1327 votes to clinch the nomination on the first ballot. As of this morning, Kasich has a 5-point lead over Trump in Ohio.

If that happens, delegates are free to vote for whomever they wish. The powers that be who run the Republican Party are aware of the 20 point plus loss that Republicans would take if Trump is their candidate. That isn't going to happen.

Trump supporters claim that if they get the MOST delegates, their man should be nominated. That would be like a baseball team claiming they should win the game because they got the most hits instead of runs, or a football team who claims they should win the game because they got the most yards rather than points.

It's ironic. Trump supporters are expressing their anger at the establishment. But by their very action of voting for a candidate that cannot with the General Election, they are putting the Republican Party into a position where the eventual candidate will be selected by the very establishment they despise.

Did you hear Trump's speech Tuesday night. He sounded anything but Presidential, and honestly more like an outright lunatic.

Oh, and for the record, if the Republican Convention goes to a second or more ballot, I predict John Kasich will be the eventual nominee. He is a moderate who will appeal to a broad class of voters and he has great positives against Hillary Clinton.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 10, 2016, 09:05:40 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 10, 2016, 03:04:18 AM

Can I confess, based upon the evidence of the piece that you pasted here, that I am unimpressed by her abilities.

While I dislike Nazi analogies, I have always regarded her as the "Eva Braun" of the Right. She's a net-negative, although she does have a talent for barbs.

That said, what you do see with Ann is that all the misogyny that the liberal leftie man-boys have bottled up inside all comes out w/r/t her. It's a bit disturbing, actually.

Quote from: shakespear on March 10, 2016, 07:44:22 AM

First Manny, Trump IS NOT going to win the Republican nomination. The primary election next Tuesday in Ohio is the key to the process. If Trump loses Ohio, he will not get the required 1327 votes to clinch the nomination on the first ballot. As of this morning, Kasich has a 5-point lead over Trump in Ohio.

Trump supporters claim that if they get the MOST delegates, their man should be nominated. That would be like a baseball team claiming they should win the game because they got the most hits instead of runs, or a football team who claims they should win the game because they got the most yards rather than points.

. . . . . .

Oh, and for the record, if the Republican Convention goes to a second or more ballot, I predict John Kasich will be the eventual nominee. He is a moderate who will appeal to a broad class of voters and he has great positives against Hillary Clinton.

At this point, I'm pulling the lever for Kasich, as he is the last Responsible Adult standing in the GOP race. I fully expect the GOP to lose in this cycle, but with 24 Senate seats up, the danger is that a "bad" nominee will drag down GOP control of the Senate also - the good news is that in the mid-terms after a new president is elected, the Dems have 24 seats to defend.

The problem with how you envision a brokered convention is this: there's a huge danger of Trump's voters staying home. They're going to be hugely pissed. They also may not abandon Trump as you imagine, and any of the other candidates with sufficient delegates might strike a deal with Trump to be the VP candidate and set himself up for 2020.

One might hope for an "elder statesman" as well, but at this point that's pretty much Romney and NFW will Trump ever release his delegates (and yes, I know, but I'm not sure the Trumpbots are going to be free thinkers on this) to vote for Romney.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 10, 2016, 09:09:24 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 10, 2016, 02:03:15 AM

I was wondering about that last night. You know Tom the people you lean towards really hate "white privileged American males" marrying "Mail-Order-Brides" especially with a considerable age gap. Do you factor that in with your political leanings? And if I may ask what of your friends? How do they see your marriage to Nessi? I know the liberals that I knew in Minnesota loathed me for marrying a Russian woman 14 years my junior. The wives of the husbands that were my friends really heard a mouthful about their displeasure and discomfort of what I did. Or is it different in Connecticut?

Having a much-younger spouse is a stigma in the United States because it violates the social order. Not surprisingly, this bothers women more than men because this situation drives home the reality that women have fewer options than men do as they age. Of course many of my friends were put out, especially women who thought that they had a chance in hell. That is unfortunate but it is not my problem. In any case, I've haven't noticed any substantial difference between liberals or conservatives in that regard.

This has nothing to do with politics and I certainly don't feel any camaraderie with an worthless POS of a candidate just because he and I both have much-younger spouses. As you know, two people can arrive at the same point by completely different paths.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 10, 2016, 09:35:03 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 10, 2016, 09:09:24 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 10, 2016, 02:03:15 AM
I was wondering about that last night. You know Tom the people you lean towards really hate "white privileged American males" marrying "Mail-Order-Brides" especially with a considerable age gap. Do you factor that in with your political leanings? And if I may ask what of your friends? How do they see your marriage to Nessi? I know the liberals that I knew in Minnesota loathed me for marrying a Russian woman 14 years my junior. The wives of the husbands that were my friends really heard a mouthful about their displeasure and discomfort of what I did. Or is it different in Connecticut?

Having a much-younger spouse is a stigma in the United States because it violates the social order. Not surprisingly, this bothers women more than men because this situation drives home the reality that women have fewer options than men do as they age. Of course many of my friends were put out, especially women who thought that they had a chance in hell. That is unfortunate but it is not my problem. In any case, I've haven't noticed any substantial difference between liberals or conservatives in that regard.

It would seem that for liberals it is about feminism and for conservatives it is about nationalism and women being women wouldn't like it for the reasons you mentioned.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 10, 2016, 09:52:42 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 10, 2016, 09:35:03 AM

It would seem that for liberals it is about feminism and for conservatives it is about nationalism and women being women wouldn't like it for the reasons you mentioned.

You give people way too much credit for being deep thinkers; in almost all cases, it's about a knee-jerk response. It's no different around here; members don't think about issues; they just spew the first thing that comes to their minds, fact-checking or critical thinking be damned.

Seriously, 81% percent of the country are not going to vote for Hillary! (Nevermind the obvious ambiguities that are contained within that statement.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 10, 2016, 09:59:35 AM

Quote from: B.B. on March 10, 2016, 09:05:40 AM

At this point, I'm pulling the lever for Kasich, as he is the last Responsible Adult standing in the GOP race. I fully expect the GOP to lose in this cycle, but with 24 Senate seats up, the danger is that a "bad" nominee will drag down GOP control of the Senate also - the good news is that in the mid-terms after a new president is elected, the Dems have 24 seats to defend.

The problem with how you envision a brokered convention is this: there's a huge danger of Trump's voters staying home. They're going to be hugely pissed. They also may not abandon Trump as you imagine, and any of the other candidates with sufficient delegates might strike a deal with Trump to be the VP candidate and set himself up for 2020.

One might hope for an "elder statesman" as well, but at this point that's pretty much Romney and NFW will Trump ever release his delegates (and yes, I know, but I'm not sure the Trumpbots are going to be free thinkers on this) to vote for Romney.

B/B

Romney is a toxic turd and a weak loser who has no right to affect discussion or outcomes in any way shape or form. Having said that if Trump could live with being VP (providing the above scenarios happen to pass) then I could live with him being VP. I'm pretty confident that other Trump supporters will do what he asks them to do. At this point this is all speculation. However I've grown to like Kasich somewhat so I could live with it. And it would be a better choice then Ted Cruz as the nominee. TC is far to right-wing and regardless of what the bogus, too early and far too inaccurate polls say at this point -- IMO he would lose to HC where as any ticket with Trump/Kasich or with Kasich/Trump would be a winning ticket.

I cringe when I read these early polls and certain people read and write them as gospel. They absolutely are nearly worthless at this point in time. When Trump is the nominee and as he's said, he will do a number on HC. It's not going to be pretty, that's for sure. But he will definitely do a number on her. The extra Republican's voting are because of the Donald, not because of anybody else. Ohio is a different matter. Let's just wait and see what happens there.

We live in interesting times, as the Chinese like to say. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 10, 2016, 10:38:11 AM

I think it is important to see votes for Trump as being votes for Trump, not votes for a Republican.

Viewed in that perspective it is easier to understand what is happening and why the party has such animus toward the guy and his organisation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 10, 2016, 10:54:03 AM

Trump likely to lose Ohio but will likely take Florida. Ohio only has 66 delegates and Florida has 99.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Turboguy on March 10, 2016, 11:05:00 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 10, 2016, 09:59:35 AM

I cringe when I read these early polls and certain people read and write them as gospel. They absolutely are nearly worthless at this point in time.

I have to totally agree with that and even the reliability of the polls is questionable. There have already been a few upsets in the primaries and there is a lot of time between now and November.

I do think the Republicans are doing themselves some damage in the debates. They are doing a much better job of showing what poor choices each would be that could easily drive votes to Hillary.

I think there are too many people who don't really know which way their vote will blow with the wind to make any predictions at this point. I really don't even know who I will vote for. I can't see myself voting for Hillary or Sanders but if Trump is the nominee I might find it more conceivable. When it comes to Trump or Cruz I also don't know which is the worst choice. I shudder at the thought of either but am warming up a bit to Trump. Last week in a HC DT contest I would have voted for HC, this week for DT, next week who knows.

The other thing to is once we get the nominating debates out of the way we will have the real debates and Trump would have the potential to really do some damage to Hillary. He does seem to dominate debates.

I also agree that whoever wins will likely take the house with him/her.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 10, 2016, 01:39:39 PM

Quote from: Turboguy on March 10, 2016, 11:05:00 AM

I have to totally agree with that and even the reliability of the polls is questionable.

That's true. For example, Romney polled well in Florida in 2012 but Obama won by nearly 1% anyway. The key to reading polls is understanding whether they are being conducted fairly or if an attempt is being made to inflate one candidate's support. The worse offenders in 2012 (in Florida) were the Florida Times, TBT/Herald/Mason-Dixon and Gravis Marketing. The bogus pollsters for this election appear to be News13, PPP and Florida Atlantic University.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 10, 2016, 03:44:08 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 10, 2016, 09:05:40 AM

While I dislike Nazi analogies, I have always regarded her as the "Eva Braun" of the Right. She's a net-negative, although she does have a talent for barbs.

That said, what you do see with Ann is that all the misogyny that the liberal leftie man-boys have bottled up inside all comes out w/r/t her. It's a bit disturbing, actually.

I think she has gorgeous hair :loving:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 10, 2016, 03:53:36 PM

Quote from: Turboguy on March 10, 2016, 11:05:00 AM

I also agree that whoever wins will likely take the house with him/her.

House? No way. It's bulletproof after the redistricting based on the 2010 Republican landslide.

The Senate? That is possible with A Clinton victory and long coat tails.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 10, 2016, 05:26:17 PM

Why Donald John Trump will absolutely CRUSH the Bern feelers and Hitlery in the General Election:

What I heard was Hillary and Bernie both declaring war on American Business:

1. War on Wall Street one of the best jobs Creators on the planet...

2. War on Banks - Hillary bragging about her support for Dodd Frank which has increased the regulatory burden so much that hundreds of community Banks have been put out of business drying up capital formation in small communities around the country killing small business formation and jobs she is so fond of touting as a solution to minority and college grads unemployment.

3. War on Healthcare Insurers and Big Pharma some of the last organizations actually doing R&D and creating miracle drugs helping people around the globe - Trump forces them to competitively bid on large medicare wholesale purchases and to compete across state lines - nothing wrong with competition but to put one of the largest groups of good paying employers out of business in favor of Medicare an enormous Federal Agency rife with billions in real fraud and abuse is economic suicide.

4. War on manufacturing - Hillary especially talks BS about improving manufacturing but the Obama and Clinton track record of trying to pick winners in clean energy industries above real free market demand will just accelerate more jobs offshoring to China and Vietnam and Mexico etc due to the huge increases in Federal income taxes, social security and medicare taxes to pay for all of their expanded free social programs. Bernie likes to say he will tax Wall Street "speculation" someone needs to let him know that the markets now trade around the clock and major US exchanges can just move to where they are treated best and corporate inversion in the securities industry will be the next major industry to offshore en masse.

5. War on American workers with a path to citizenship for 30 Million plus illegal aliens - crushing American workers labor market value at all levels.

6. War on Energy - this focus of Bernie and Hillary to put oil, coal and gas producers out of business in favor of so-called clean energy is a fantasy - the knowledge economy has caused an explosion in electricity consumption from Cable and TVs to Internet and PCs and Mobile devices to Cloud Data centers - no one who understands technology thinks for a minute this booming knowledge based electricity demand driven economy can exist on Solar and Wind power - laughable.

The idea that the USA can unilaterally convert to a carbon-free alternative energy economy while the rest of the world consumes coal gas and oil at increasing rates to keep up with the needs of their exploding populations is pure lunacy and will achieve nothing to stop rising sea levels. We are in an Ice Ages supercycle and in the continued warming phase and seas will rise - instead, they should be planning Seawalls and Dike systems like they have perfected in Holland on the raging North Sea and decide which beachfront properties will become new reefs as it is not a good engineering idea to build sea walls and dikes on naturally shifting sand banks.

7. War on men - energy, manufacturing, finance and securities are largely male dominated industries and destroying these industries destroys lucrative employment for Men.

Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax Tax and more NEW Taxes WTF? Obamacare pushed a lot of 10% profit margin small businesses into the 105% Tax and Regulatory burden range crushing jobs formation. Bernie wants to raise taxes from 38.5% TO 58% Federal taxes and double Social Security and Medicare Taxes and we are looking at 50% higher taxes pushing small business taxes and regulatory burden up from 105% to 150% - have any of these idiots ever prepared a business plan and factored in all the Federal, State, City, County and Town taxes and regulation compliance expenses they are crushing small businesses with? The answer is clearly NO.

I am more convinced than ever that Hillary or Bernie become POTUS and our next recession (overdue under the Obamunists/Clinton anti-business policies) becomes a global recession crushing the US economy to the overwhelming benefit of our trade adversaries. Perhaps exactly what their radical Marxist Socialist Feminist pro-LGBTQ constituencies and Globalist overseers really want. Destroy the United States of America and turn us into a true leftist third world hell hole as Ann Coulter warns in her well-researched book.

With $21 Trillion in Debt and $200 Trillion in unfunded liabilities Mr. Trump really is our only hope to save the USA as we know it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 10, 2016, 06:31:07 PM

Excellent post, Cufflinks. Trump is going to shine a bright laser light on the real Hillary Clinton. It's going to be like when you walk into the dirty kitchen of a bad restaurant in the middle of the night and turn on the lights -- all the cockroaches run for the nearest escape. The only escape for Hillary Rodham Clinton will be if she quits the race early due to the DOJ coming after her. Other than that she's in for a very painful and rough ride.

Numbers 2, 4, 5 & 6 alone should do the job. In my opinion Number 6 is the most important for our economy and for national security. Hillary's already come out against building the Keystone Pipeline. That one issue alone is going to give Trump enormous ammunition. American's are really sick of PC yet we're simultaneously sick of having to go to war in the Middle East for the benefit of the Saudi's. When Trump really nails that message home, he's got a home run right there. That pipeline is a huge issue not only for the blue-collar workers who will make great salaries building it, but also for the enormous national defense implications of the USA becoming an oil exporter and being able to make about 500 Billion dollars a year right there alone.

Add to the better trade agreements that Trump will negotiate, improved national security from shutting down the border and stopping any and all illegals including radical Muslims who try to get smuggled across that border -- the savings to our Nation will be enormous. Under Trump we would have a law and order President. A HC Presidency would continue the flood of illegals -- because the Democrats have sold their soul to the Devil, for those undocumented voters.

Quote from: cufflinks on March 10, 2016, 05:26:17 PM

6. War on Energy - this focus of Bernie and Hillary to put oil, coal and gas producers out of business in favor of so-called clean energy is a fantasy - the knowledge economy has caused an explosion in electricity consumption from Cable and TVs to Internet and PCs and Mobile devices to Cloud Data centers - no one who understands technology thinks for a minute this booming knowledge based electricity demand driven economy can exist on Solar and Wind power - laughable.

The idea that the USA can unilaterally convert to a carbon-free alternative energy economy while the rest of the world consumes coal gas and oil at increasing rates to keep up with the needs of their exploding populations is pure lunacy and will achieve nothing to stop rising sea levels. We are in an Ice Ages supercycle and in the continued warming phase and seas will rise - instead, they should be planning Seawalls and Dike systems like they have perfected in Holland on the raging North Sea and decide which beachfront properties will become new reefs as it is not a good engineering idea to build sea walls and dikes on naturally shifting sand banks.

With $21 Trillion in Debt and $200 Trillion in unfunded liabilities Mr. Trump really is our only hope to save the USA as we know it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 10, 2016, 07:31:56 PM

If this story is true Trump will have yet another highly valued endorsement of a former Presidential candidate. This one is very, very important because Ben Carson supporters are very loyal to their candidate. Tomorrow morning we will find out if this story is true and I suspect that it is.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ben-carson-plans-to-endorse-trump/ar-AAgDCMp?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 12:17:53 AM

re: Ann Coulter

The posted column, being a satire on other writers, doesn't show her wit or her ability to summarize large issues like immigration. You'd have to know all the other writers to be able to judge her. If I come across a well-written column of hers I will post a link to it.

re: Hillary 81% , unfavorable, etc.

First off the nicest-to-Hillary site that summarizes polls, shows the trend of increasingly unfavorable. Currently at 54%

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

I believe the 81% number that I read, was for the NH primary, where polls indicated that 81% or more of Democrat voters, believed her to be dishonest or untrustworthy.

re: Trump can/can't win due to blacks/hispanics/minorities

Of course we won't know until the election... however

Trump did better in polls with Republican Hispanics than Ted Cruz, and tied Cruz for Hispanics overall. So not a big negative; and Rubio barely does better (Rubio and Cruz are both Hispanic).

see: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/poll-hispanics-2016-trump-219763

Rubio and Kasich are holding on, not because they have a chance to win (though maybe Rubio can pull off Florida), but because of other reasons: depends on your level of political cynicism as to which reason you believe.

My personal view, is that Trump will poll (assuming he is candidate) at 17% to 25% among blacks, which is higher than the historical Republican average of 8 to 12%.

It's just my prediction, based on the fact that Trump, having lived in NYC all his life, will be seen as a more urban and in-touch candidate vs. either Hillary or Bernie. Also, blacks have been hit harder by illegal immigration than whites, and Trump is the less-immigration candidate.

historical info:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/02/24/fact-check-trump-and-black-vote/80863480/

Many women cannot stand Hillary, at all. They see through her fakeness and hate it.

Many Bernie supporters will support Trump over Hillary. Reason: they hate the current status quo, and see both Trump and Bernie as outsider candidates.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 11, 2016, 12:26:20 AM

Good post Slumba. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 11, 2016, 12:32:49 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 12:17:53 AM

re: Ann Coulter

The posted column, being a satire on other writers, doesn't show her wit or her ability to summarize large issues like immigration. You'd have to know all the other writers to be able to judge her. If I come across a well-written column of hers I will post a link to it.

re: Hillary 81% , unfavorable, etc.

First off the nicest-to-Hillary site that summarizes polls, shows the trend of increasingly unfavorable. Currently at 54%

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

I believe the 81% number that I read, was for the NH primary, where polls indicated that 81% or more of Democrat voters, believed her to be dishonest or untrustworthy.

re: Trump can/can't win due to blacks/hispanics/minorities

Of course we won't know until the election... however

Trump did better in polls with Republican Hispanics than Ted Cruz, and tied Cruz for Hispanics overall. So not a big negative; and Rubio barely does better (Rubio and Cruz are both Hispanic).

see: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/poll-hispanics-2016-trump-219763

Rubio and Kasich are holding on, not because they have a chance to win (though maybe Rubio can pull off Florida), but because of other reasons: depends on your level of political cynicism as to which reason you believe.

My personal view, is that Trump will poll (assuming he is candidate) at 17% to 25% among blacks, which is higher than the historical Republican average of 8 to 12%.

It's just my prediction, based on the fact that Trump, having lived in NYC all his life, will be seen as a more urban and in-touch candidate vs. either Hillary or Bernie. Also, blacks have been hit harder by illegal immigration than whites, and Trump is the less-immigration candidate.

historical info:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/02/24/fact-check-trump-and-black-vote/80863480/

Many women cannot stand Hillary, at all. They see through her fakeness and hate it.

Many Bernie supporters will support Trump over Hillary. Reason: they hate the current status quo, and see both Trump and Bernie as outsider candidates.

This idea that Trump can't win minority voters is BS. Trump won Nevada, lots of Hispanics and blacks there. Trump was #2 in Texas behind Cruz and well ahead of Rubio. Trump must have won lots of Hispanic and black votes there.

Other states Trump won, Mississippi, Michigan, Georgia, Tennessee, etc. Lots of blacks and Hispanics in all those states. If Trump wins Florida, again lots of blacks and Hispanics there, that should end any talk that Trump can't win the minority vote.

Or do people really believe Trump won those states on the strength of the old, white male voters?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 12:48:22 AM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 11, 2016, 12:32:49 AM

This idea that Trump can't win minority voters is BS. Trump won Nevada, lots of Hispanics and blacks there. Trump was #2 in Texas behind Cruz and well ahead of Rubio. Trump must have won lots of Hispanic and black votes there.

Other states Trump won, Mississippi, Michigan, Georgia, Tennessee, etc. Lots of blacks and Hispanics in all those states. If Trump wins Florida, again lots of blacks and Hispanics there, that should end any talk that Trump can't win the minority vote.

Or do people really believe Trump won those states on the strength of the old, white male voters?

Ask shakespear ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 11, 2016, 01:07:50 AM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on March 11, 2016, 04:30:18 AM

Whats it like in the US ? In the Uk all the old twats running the government can often be sleeping on the job :laugh:

These are the lot who have sex with young kids, visit prostitutes and so on! No wonder they are so tired during the day! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on March 11, 2016, 04:51:14 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on March 11, 2016, 04:30:18 AM

Whats it like in the US ? In the Uk all the old twats running the government can often be sleeping on the job :laugh:

These are the lot who have sex with young kids, visit prostitutes and so on! No wonder they are so tired during the day! :ROFL:

You do seem to know a lot about the habits of these folk?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tonton on March 11, 2016, 04:58:06 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on March 11, 2016, 04:30:18 AM

Whats it like in the US ? In the Uk all the old twats running the government can often be sleeping on the job :laugh:

These are the lot who have sex with young kids, visit prostitutes and so on! No wonder they are so tired during the day! :ROFL:

Been going on for decades, those pigs were exposed on 60 Minutes last weekend.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on March 11, 2016, 05:17:12 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 11, 2016, 04:51:14 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on March 11, 2016, 04:30:18 AM
Whats it like in the US ? In the Uk all the old twats running the government can often be sleeping on the job :laugh:

These are the lot who have sex with young kids, visit prostitutes and so on! No wonder they are so tired during the day! :ROFL:
You do seem to know a lot about the habits of these folk?

I Know about the habits of most people.. a couple of minutes and its pretty easy to sum up most people :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 11, 2016, 05:52:46 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 10, 2016, 05:26:17 PM

Why Donald John Trump will absolutely CRUSH the Bern feelers and Hitlery in the General Election:

You forgot to mention another "tactic" Trump can use; he can unleash his "Brown Shirts" on people who oppose him. Nothing like physical intimidation to dominate an election.

How much longer is American going to allow themselves to be blindly mislead by this man?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 11, 2016, 05:57:25 AM

I will say that in my opinion last nights Republican debate was the BEST debate in the series this election cycle.

Trump, to his credit, even approached acting remotely "Presidential" during the course of the debate; refraining from outbursts, insults, ridiculing and other inappropriate behavior. His handlers must be getting the message that such behavior isn't playing well with the late-deciding voters in the campaign.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 11, 2016, 08:02:32 AM

Trump doesn't have any "handlers" that is why the establishment is so frightened of him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 11, 2016, 08:52:32 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 12:17:53 AM

I believe the 81% number that I read, was for the NH primary, where polls indicated that 81% or more of Democrat voters, believed her to be dishonest or untrustworthy.

If that is the case, then Trump will easily beat out Clinton in New Hampshire, in spite of the polls.

ANT cannot differentiate between wishful thinking and critical thinking. Apparently, he is not alone.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 11, 2016, 09:21:19 AM

The responsible method of testing a hypothesis is to run all collected data through a statistical analysis and see if the results support the premise. An alternative is to employ data manipulation by disregarding any data that does not support the hypothesis and to play dumb about the missing data. Of course, misrepresenting data completely, as ANT has done, takes dishonesty to a much higher plateau.

Here is one piece of data that low-information voters are happy to ignore whilst they have been falling in love with a bloviating clown: Obama's approval rating has gone positive. It doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to understand the effect that this will have on the outcome of the election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 11, 2016, 10:09:40 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 11, 2016, 09:21:19 AM

The responsible method of testing a hypothesis is to run all collected data through a statistical analysis and see if the results support the premise. An alternative is to employ data manipulation by disregarding any data that does not support the hypothesis and to play dumb about the missing data. Of course, misrepresenting data completely, as ANT has done, takes dishonesty to a much higher plateau.

Here is one piece of data that low-information voters are happy to ignore whilst they have been falling in love with a bloviating clown: Obama's approval rating has gone positive. It doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to understand the effect that this will have on the outcome of the election.

You use to big of words.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 11, 2016, 10:10:19 AM

@ about the 7:30 mark.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 11, 2016, 10:21:33 AM

Ya know it just hit me.

Ted Cruz looks very much like Count Chocula on the cereal box

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.dailystormer.com%2Fuploads%2Fdefault%2Foriginal%2F2X%2F6%2F6e8fcdd1f1bd97c632240e2f54eba6c1ea8145bc.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.dailystormer.com%2Ft%2Fhumble-philosopher-responds-to-the-lies-of-ted-cruz%2F3717&docid=elP74I_uKh0lQM&tbnid=2VrfBz9DYLJYrM%3A&w=600&h=366&ved=undefined&iact=c&ictx=1

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 11:27:24 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 11, 2016, 05:52:46 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 10, 2016, 05:26:17 PM
Why Donald John Trump will absolutely CRUSH the Bern feelers and Hitlery in the General Election:

You forgot to mention another "tactic" Trump can use; he can unleash his "Brown Shirts" on people who oppose him. Nothing like physical intimidation to dominate an election.

How much longer is American going to allow themselves to be blindly mislead by this man?

First Principle: If you don't want a Reich, don't create Weimar-like conditions.

If you are referring to the Michelle Fields "I have a bruise" reporter: turns out it was a Secret Service agent who looks sort-of like the campaign manager (photos show he was on the other side of Trump from the reporter, thus physically impossible for him to have even touched her).

If you are referring to the old Korean War veteran who punched a protester in the throat - he's been identified and arrested.

If you are not referring to either of those, then you will have to be more specific.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 11:48:07 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 11, 2016, 09:21:19 AM

The responsible method of testing a hypothesis is to run all collected data through a statistical analysis and see if the results support the premise. An alternative is to employ data manipulation by disregarding any data that does not support the hypothesis and to play dumb about the missing data. Of course, misrepresenting data completely, as ANT has done, takes dishonesty to a much higher plateau.

Here is one piece of data that low-information voters are happy to ignore whilst they have been falling in love with a bloviating clown: Obama's approval rating has gone positive. It doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to understand the effect that this will have on the outcome of the election.

It is a tad more nuanced than that:

Average is 47 percent since 2009. He is currently at 50% with +- 2% margin of error. So possibly Obama is up 6% vs. the average; not sure how huge that is.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/barack-obama-approval-ratings-hit-three-year-high-220569

There is also favorable/unfavorable: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_favorableunfavorable-643.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 11, 2016, 06:40:15 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 11:27:24 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 11, 2016, 05:52:46 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on March 10, 2016, 05:26:17 PM
Why Donald John Trump will absolutely CRUSH the Bern feelers and Hitlery in the General Election:

You forgot to mention another "tactic" Trump can use; he can unleash his "Brown Shirts" on people who oppose him. Nothing like physical intimidation to dominate an election.

How much longer is American going to allow themselves to be blindly mislead by this man?

First Principle: If you don't want a Reich, don't create Weimar-like conditions.

That really is the bottom line. Republicans have ignored the will of the people for more than a decade now. Enough is enough, and this is the tip of the iceberg. The people who matter want their country back. This includes Bernie Sanders supporters and it includes Trump and Cruz supporters.

While Sanders has properly identified that the problem is centered in WA DC, as Ted Cruz said, the answer is not more government. The answer is to let the country be led by somebody who know business inside and out -- Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 11, 2016, 08:27:25 PM

Quote from: Maxx on March 11, 2016, 08:02:32 AM

Trump doesn't have any "handlers" that is why the establishment is so frightened of him.

I went to two Trump rallies and volunteered at one and worked with the Secret Service uniformed and plain clothes was very pleased with the level of security around Mr. Trump especially with the El Chapo narco-terrorist $100 Million hit on Mr. Trump and threats against his family. I personally thanked each secret service agent for their service and their work protecting our next President.

Having worked with every member of the Trump Campaign staff in NH I can tell you one thing as a fact the ONLY handler is Mr. Trump himself.

Shakes you might as well begin to get used to these words:

President Trump
President Trump
President Trump
President Trump
President Trump
President Trump
President Trump
President Trump
President Trump
President Trump

And take 10 deep breaths and then repeat slowly ten times.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 11, 2016, 09:06:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 11, 2016, 05:52:46 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 10, 2016, 05:26:17 PM
Why Donald John Trump will absolutely CRUSH the Bern feelers and Hitlery in the General Election:

You forgot to mention another "tactic" Trump can use; he can unleash his "Brown Shirts" on people who oppose him. Nothing like physical intimidation to dominate an election.

HC and/or Bernie Sanders released their version of brown shirts on Trump supporters in Chicago this evening. Shut down a Trump rally with their graphic slurs and threats of violence against Trump supporters. Contrary to what you just wrote in this quote above, I don't see Trump supporters going to Hillary rallies or Bernie rallies and attempting to shut them down. The usual liberal double standard.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 11, 2016, 09:09:15 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 11, 2016, 08:27:25 PM

Quote from: Maxx on March 11, 2016, 08:02:32 AM

Trump doesn't have any "handlers" that is why the establishment is so frightened of him.

I went to two Trump rallies and volunteered at one and worked with the Secret Service uniformed and plain clothes was very pleased with the level of security around Mr. Trump especially with the El Chapo narco-terrorist $100 Million hit on Mr. Trump and threats against his family. I personally thanked each secret service agent for their service and their work protecting our next President.

Having worked with every member of the Trump Campaign staff in NH I can tell you one thing as a fact the ONLY handler is Mr. Trump himself.

Shakes you might as well begin to get used to these words:

President Trump
President Trump
President Trump
President Trump
President Trump
President Trump
President Trump
President Trump
President Trump
President Trump

And take 10 deep breaths and then repeat slowly ten times.

Funny stuff Cufflinks, but I would prefer to see Hillary Clinton in a straight jacket at an institution and forced to say

President Trump

10 times after he wins in November! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 11, 2016, 09:21:19 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 11, 2016, 09:06:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 11, 2016, 05:52:46 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on March 10, 2016, 05:26:17 PM
Why Donald John Trump will absolutely CRUSH the Bern feelers and Hitlery in the General Election:

You forgot to mention another "tactic" Trump can use; he can unleash his "Brown Shirts" on people who oppose him. Nothing like physical intimidation to dominate an election.

HC and/or Bernie Sanders released their version of brown shirts on Trump supporters in Chicago this evening. Shut down a Trump rally with their graphic slurs and threats of violence against Trump supporters. Contrary to what you just wrote in this quote above, I don't see Trump supporters going to Hillary rallies or Bernie rallies and attempting to shut them down. The usual liberal double standard.

So true!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 10:48:14 PM

All three - Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich - showed their lack of backbone and opportunistic streak tonight, in their comments on the violence at the planned Trump rally, that had to be canceled.

They (in effect) blamed TRUMP instead of the protesters - who were extensively organized by MoveOn and other lefty organizations. Unknown, but suspected, is Soros funding also.

I suspect Cruz just lost 20% of his base to his idiocy...

Kasich said in a statement:

"Tonight the seeds of division that Donald Trump has been sowing this whole campaign finally bore fruit, and it was ugly," said Kasich. "Some let their opposition to his views slip beyond protest into violence, but we can never let that happen. I urge people to resist that temptation and rise to a higher level. Now is the time for Americans to come together and stand firm for what we know is true: we are great because we are a peaceful people who live by the rule of law. We are stronger together, we will reject those who try to divide us for personal gain and we will do it the right way—at the ballot box."

Cruz said:

"But I think a campaign bears responsibility for creating an environment when the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence, to punch people in the face," said Cruz. "The predictable consequence of that is that it escalates, and today is unlikely to be the last such instance. We saw, earlier today, in St. Louis, over 30 arrested. That’s not how our politics should occur. You know, the city of Chicago in 1968 saw some ugly days, when politics descended into hatred and incivility and even violence. It is my hope that in 2016 we can appeal to our better angels, to avoid going down that road once again."

Rubio said:

"I wouldn’t say Mr. Trump is responsible for the events of tonight," said Rubio, "but he is most certainly, in other events, has in the past used some pretty rough language, saying in the good old days we used to beat these people up, or I’ll pay your legal bills if you rough them up. So I think he bears some responsibility for the general tone."

By siding with BlackLivesMatter, MoveOn and Bernie/HRC supporters, any person would have to ask why they would consider them. If the person is siding with BLM they would probably already be supporting Bernie or Hillary anyways, right?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 12, 2016, 01:45:44 AM

Another Hitler/Trump comparison (It may be in need of fact checking :-X )

Trump = Hitler. The evidence is overwhelming.

Trump is of German descent on his father’s side. This makes Trump suspect because Hitler was also German. The last U.S. president with a German-American father was Dwight Eisenhower, who served as Supreme Commander of the Nazi Forces in Europe. General Eisenhower somehow managed to overcome this political liability to be elected president less than a decade later but he retained pro-Berlin sympathies throughout his time in office. According to one blogger, Hitler remained Eisenhower’s preeminent inspiration. Is this the chance we want to take with another German in the White House?

Trump’s admiration for Nazi Germany is one reason he has almost no support from U.S. military veterans. We could not expect patriotic vets to support such a man, especially older ones, who remember World War II first- or second-hand.

Last month, Trump retweeted a quote incorrectly attributed to Mussolini by an anti-Trump activist who was hoping to trick Trump into retweeting. What other proof do we need regarding Trump’s fascism? Yet there is more. Intellectuals schooled in postmodern textual analysis understand that campaign references to “#TrumpTrain” are code language paying tribute to the Nazi trains that transported millions to death camps in the 1940s. This alone should disqualify Trump from high office yet his supporters turn a blind eye to the outrage.

The same accusations of fascism were made against Barry Goldwater in 1964. We know how that turned out. Although he was crushed in the national election by the virtuous Lyndon Johnson, Goldwater went on to lead a well-armed mob of fanatics in his attempt to overthrow the new government two years later, with thousands dying as a result.

Trump’s own violent, anti-constitutional tendencies are plain to see from his leadership of the Beer Hall Putsch of 2006. When the coup d’état in Florida failed, Trump spent one year in prison, during which time he wrote his infamous book, Crippled America, which argues that people with disabilities must be euthanized. Trump’s plotting for power continued upon his return to the Mar-a-Lago compound.

Like all authoritarian types, Trump is a bully. Trump has most terrorized the most defenseless victims—Jeb Bush, Karl Rove, Roger Ailes, Mitt Romney, insurance companies, and super PACs being among the targets he has so cruelly attacked. Trump’s victims do not retaliate. Partly because the power differential is so great that they are unable to protect themselves, let alone injure Trump, and partly because they yearn to retain the high ground of morality and ethics. Instead, his victims turn the other cheek, sometimes begging for mercy but always showing incredible respect for Trump and his supporters.

Trump has built his career on aggression—using violence instead of litigation, fanaticism instead of negotiation. As one might expect from a dangerous demagogue, Trump is poorly educated, having spent time at Fordham and Wharton, and his world view is provincial because he has rarely traveled beyond Queens borough in the hamlet of New York. Trump is motivated by envy of the wealthy and wishes to make a name for himself. Psychologists tell us that Trump is a small man who seeks to make himself great, a figure of insignificance who thirsts for national recognition. Lacking the humility and piety of public servants in Georgetown, Manhattan, and Hollywood, Trump seeks to slander those who are good in a way he can never be. It would be sad if it were not so unjust.

Trump supports political correctness because it is a manifestation of Orwellian doublethink. Thought-and-expression control for ideological purposes is one way in which Trump reveals himself to be doctrinaire and a lover of totalitarianism.

At Trump rallies—obviously patterned after the Nuremberg Rallies—protesters wield signs that say “Love Trumps Hate.” They do so as they hate Trump and despise those who like him. Trump’s campaign is fueled by anger and fear while his political enemies exhibit love and good cheer. There is no anger or fear toward the Trump movement among the Republican establishment or their counterparts in the Democratic Party.

Trump has recently asked crowds at rallies to give the Nazi salute. Trump uses aides dressed in brown shirts to rough up dissenters and he encourages the crowd, through the P.A. system prior to the start of his rallies, to “Physically hurt protesters.” Trump brings copies of The Protocols of Zion to hold up at rallies and brings his membership certificate in the Ku Klux Klan to prove his racist bona fides. Trump’s famous book The Art of the Deal refers to Jews as vermin and says they ought to be eliminated. Trump is known for having built a global network of luxury death camps which will be used to “deal with” the Jews. The magnitude of neo-Nazi connections possessed by Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner and attorney Michael Cohen can only be imagined.

Trump has injected racism and the KKK into political discourse this election season by having Jake Tapper and other Trump supporters in the mainstream media helpfully publicize the thoughts of David Duke, a figure who has long been irrelevant and was obscure until a few weeks ago. Corporate journalists have elevated Duke’s profile and given weight to his words but Trump deserves the most blame as the puppet-master of these journalists. After David Duke gave up his own presidential aspirations, he joined Trump on the campaign trail—introducing and then standing awkwardly behind Trump during his Super Tuesday press conference.

Trump has advocated the placing of Hispanic Americans into concentration camps. Trump has said that illegal immigrants should all be put to death, including women and children. Trump has said that African Americans are sub-human and worthy of death, which is why his campaign spokeswomen include Katrina Pierson, Omarosa, and Diamond & Silk. Trump’s animus toward immigrants can be seen in the fact that his wife Melania is an immigrant, his mother was an immigrant, and his paternal grandparents were immigrants. Clearly Trump knows nothing of the value of immigration to American society.

The United States of 2016 is exactly like the Weimar Republic of 1933 so conditions are ripe for creation of a personal dictatorship and totalitarian state. We would not be so fearful if our nation had a record of two centuries of peaceful transfer of republican power but since we do not, we must live in fear of a possible Fourth Reich under Trump.

Even though the plutocratic press fawns over Trump, he bristles at even the slightest criticism. As president, Trump would try to destroy freedom of the press by asking Congress to tweak federal court interpretations of libel laws. This would be the death knell of liberty for all of us. No one should have legal recourse in the face of dishonest journalism.

Trump’s campaign speeches are laced with calls for citizens to become subjects of the state, as he praises dependency on government. Like Hitler’s National Socialist party, Trump is a socialist. Trump advocates stamping out lower levels of governance and centralizing all power in the national government. The absence of a federal tradition and separation of powers at the national level will make this centralizing easy for President Trump to do. Our nation’s tradition of monarchy and paucity of personal firearm ownership will also facilitate his establishment of a dictatorship in DC. A compliant media, which is almost entirely pro-Trump, will remove the last possible obstacle to total power in his small-but-dangerous hands.

As a fascist, Trump does not believe in the rule of law. For example, he favors enforcement of federal immigration laws. Humanitarian groups such as the Business Roundtable and U.S. Chamber of Commerce remind us that any attempt to slow the proliferation of exploited low-wage labor in our country is morally repugnant and not who we are as a profit-loving people.

Trump is greatly influenced by Hegelian philosophy and enjoys playing Wagner music before his rallies begin (including the song “Tiny Dancer”). Trump’s slogan is “All Power to the Leader.” Trump talks about his admiration for World War II generals, including Rommel and Göring. Trump praises existing strict gun control laws and advocates confiscation of guns from all “unreliable” persons, based on an ethnic test. Trump has called for a temporary suspension of Muslim immigration to the U.S., which would violate both Article IX of the U.S. Constitution and the God-given right of every person in every land to live in the United States.

Trump is eager to invade Mexico and Canada. He aspires to set up puppet regimes in what he calls “Greater America” (an imperialistic notion that is advertised on his famous red caps). Trump loves war, which is why he has so strongly defended the Iraq War and U.S. military intervention in Syria during GOP debates. It is also why Trump so frequently rattles the saber at Putin, hinting that he will start World War III against Russia if elected. These positions explain why the hawkish neoconservatives in the Republican Party love Trump. They know that Trump will emulate the foreign policy of George W. Bush. Bill Kristol, Max Boot, Dick Cheney, Lindsey Graham, and John McCain have all endorsed Trump’s candidacy for this reason.

The banking and corporate elite—Wall Street and the big industrialists—are overwhelmingly supportive of Trump because they know he favors the kind of crony capitalism (fascism) that showers government largesse on their businesses. This is why the donor class is running millions of dollars’ worth of television ads promoting Trump in primary states and why the Wall Street Journal editorial page showers Trump with praise.

Trump follows Nietzsche in openly mocking the weakness of Christianity, preferring a pagan religion instead. Rather than traditional Christmas symbols, Trump plans to substitute the swastika once he is in the White House because of the Jewish origins of the Nativity story. Trump tells voters that if he becomes president, store employees in December will be encouraged to say “Merry Aryan Race.”

Postscript:

You do not have to like Donald Trump to see the problem with dishonesty and hypocrisy. Serious-minded people understand that glib comparisons to Adolf Hitler are contemptible because they trivialize his regime and the oppression, war, and holocaust it created. Practitioners of such comparison and trivialization discredit themselves. The merits and faults of Trump stand apart from juvenile emotion and repellent silliness.

Jeff Taylor

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 12, 2016, 11:09:28 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 10:48:14 PM

Kasich said in a statement:

"Tonight the seeds of division that Donald Trump has been sowing this whole campaign finally bore fruit, and it was ugly," said Kasich. "Some let their opposition to his views slip beyond protest into violence, but we can never let that happen. I urge people to resist that temptation and rise to a higher level. Now is the time for Americans to come together and stand firm for what we know is true: we are great because we are a peaceful people who live by the rule of law. We are stronger together, we will reject those who try to divide us for personal gain and we will do it the right way—at the ballot box."

Cruz said:

"But I think a campaign bears responsibility for creating an environment when the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence, to punch people in the face," said Cruz. "The predictable consequence of that is that it escalates, and today is unlikely to be the last such instance. We saw, earlier today, in St. Louis, over 30 arrested. That’s not how our politics should occur. You know, the city of Chicago in 1968 saw some ugly days, when politics descended into hatred and incivility and even violence. It is my hope that in 2016 we can appeal to our better angels, to avoid going down that road once again."

Rubio said:

"I wouldn’t say Mr. Trump is responsible for the events of tonight," said Rubio, "but he is most certainly, in other events, has in the past used some pretty rough language, saying in the good old days we used to beat these people up, or I’ll pay your legal bills if you rough them up. So I think he bears some responsibility for the general tone."

I agree with all three statements above. Trump's ridiculous campaign has put our nation on the brink of civil war. He should, for the good of the nation, suspend his campaign immediately and withdraw from the Presidential race for 2016.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on March 12, 2016, 11:16:43 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 12, 2016, 01:45:44 AM

Another Hitler/Trump comparison (It may be in need of fact checking :-X )

Trump = Hitler. The evidence is overwhelming.

Trump is of German descent on his father’s side. This makes Trump suspect because Hitler was also German.

Since Hitler wasn't German, I basicly stopped reading there. If he can't even get that simple fact straight. :rolleye0009:

For the record: Hitler was Austrian and immigrated in Germany

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 12, 2016, 12:15:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 12, 2016, 11:09:28 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 10:48:14 PM

Kasich said in a statement:

"Tonight the seeds of division that Donald Trump has been sowing this whole campaign finally bore fruit, and it was ugly," said Kasich. "Some let their opposition to his views slip beyond protest into violence, but we can never let that happen. I urge people to resist that temptation and rise to a higher level. Now is the time for Americans to come together and stand firm for what we know is true: we are great because we are a peaceful people who live by the rule of law. We are stronger together, we will reject those who try to divide us for personal gain and we will do it the right way—at the ballot box."

Cruz said:

"But I think a campaign bears responsibility for creating an environment when the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence, to punch people in the face," said Cruz. "The predictable consequence of that is that it escalates, and today is unlikely to be the last such instance. We saw, earlier today, in St. Louis, over 30 arrested. That’s not how our politics should occur. You know, the city of Chicago in 1968 saw some ugly days, when politics descended into hatred and incivility and even violence. It is my hope that in 2016 we can appeal to our better angels, to avoid going down that road once again."

Rubio said:

"I wouldn’t say Mr. Trump is responsible for the events of tonight," said Rubio, "but he is most certainly, in other events, has in the past used some pretty rough language, saying in the good old days we used to beat these people up, or I’ll pay your legal bills if you rough them up. So I think he bears some responsibility for the general tone."

I agree with all three statements above. Trump's ridiculous campaign has put our nation on the brink of civil war. He should, for the good of the nation, suspend his campaign immediately and withdraw from the Presidential race for 2016.

What brand of firewater are you drinking seems to be hallucinogenic... just saying.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 12, 2016, 12:22:20 PM

Dayton Rally - Secret Service Surround Trump against shakey crazed Bernie and Hillary assassins...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 12, 2016, 12:27:58 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 12, 2016, 12:15:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 12, 2016, 11:09:28 AM
Quote from: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 10:48:14 PM

Kasich said in a statement:

"Tonight the seeds of division that Donald Trump has been sowing this whole campaign finally bore fruit, and it was ugly," said Kasich. "Some let their opposition to his views slip beyond protest into violence, but we can never let that happen. I urge people to resist that temptation and rise to a higher level. Now is the time for Americans to come together and stand firm for what we know is true: we are great because we are a peaceful people who live by the rule of law. We are stronger together, we will reject those who try to divide us for personal gain and we will do it the right way—at the ballot box."

Cruz said:

"But I think a campaign bears responsibility for creating an environment when the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence, to punch people in the face," said Cruz. "The predictable consequence of that is that it escalates, and today is unlikely to be the last such instance. We saw, earlier today, in St. Louis, over 30 arrested. That’s not how our politics should occur. You know, the city of Chicago in 1968 saw some ugly days, when politics descended into hatred and incivility and even violence. It is my hope that in 2016 we can appeal to our better angels, to avoid going down that road once again."

Rubio said:

"I wouldn’t say Mr. Trump is responsible for the events of tonight," said Rubio, "but he is most certainly, in other events, has in the past used some pretty rough language, saying in the good old days we used to beat these people up, or I’ll pay your legal bills if you rough them up. So I think he bears some responsibility for the general tone."

I agree with all three statements above. Trump's ridiculous campaign has put our nation on the brink of civil war. He should, for the good of the nation, suspend his campaign immediately and withdraw from the Presidential race for 2016.

What brand of firewater are you drinking seems to be hallucinogenic... just saying.

Sort of bizarre isn't it? It's almost as if he is now a hard-core Obama supporter, instead of a Republican. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 12, 2016, 12:32:22 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 12, 2016, 11:09:28 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 10:48:14 PM

Kasich said in a statement:

"Tonight the seeds of division that Donald Trump has been sowing this whole campaign finally bore fruit, and it was ugly," said Kasich. "Some let their opposition to his views slip beyond protest into violence, but we can never let that happen. I urge people to resist that temptation and rise to a higher level. Now is the time for Americans to come together and stand firm for what we know is true: we are great because we are a peaceful people who live by the rule of law. We are stronger together, we will reject those who try to divide us for personal gain and we will do it the right way—at the ballot box."

Cruz said:

"But I think a campaign bears responsibility for creating an environment when the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence, to punch people in the face," said Cruz. "The predictable consequence of that is that it escalates, and today is unlikely to be the last such instance. We saw, earlier today, in St. Louis, over 30 arrested. That’s not how our politics should occur. You know, the city of Chicago in 1968 saw some ugly days, when politics descended into hatred and incivility and even violence. It is my hope that in 2016 we can appeal to our better angels, to avoid going down that road once again."

Rubio said:

"I wouldn’t say Mr. Trump is responsible for the events of tonight," said Rubio, "but he is most certainly, in other events, has in the past used some pretty rough language, saying in the good old days we used to beat these people up, or I’ll pay your legal bills if you rough them up. So I think he bears some responsibility for the general tone."

I agree with all three statements above. Trump's ridiculous campaign has put our nation on the brink of civil war. He should, for the good of the nation, suspend his campaign immediately and withdraw from the Presidential race for 2016.

I think you've got Donald Trump confused with Barrack Obama. It was Obama who whipped black protesters into a frenzy in Florida and especially in Ferguson, MO. It is Obama who has severely divided this nation and encouraged lawlessness and anarchy. Just look at what happened in Baltimore, MD.

Trump supporters are well behaved, law abiding citizens who respect law enforcement. We cannot say the same about so called "BLM" movement nor the well organized goons who pulled off the violent overthrow of freedom of speech last night in Chicago. (moveon.org -- more or less a fascist organization)

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=35455

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 12, 2016, 03:14:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 12, 2016, 11:09:28 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 10:48:14 PM

Kasich said in a statement:

"Tonight the seeds of division that Donald Trump has been sowing this whole campaign finally bore fruit, and it was ugly," said Kasich. "Some let their opposition to his views slip beyond protest into violence, but we can never let that happen. I urge people to resist that temptation and rise to a higher level. Now is the time for Americans to come together and stand firm for what we know is true: we are great because we are a peaceful people who live by the rule of law. We are stronger together, we will reject those who try to divide us for personal gain and we will do it the right way—at the ballot box."

Cruz said:

"But I think a campaign bears responsibility for creating an environment when the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence, to punch people in the face," said Cruz. "The predictable consequence of that is that it escalates, and today is unlikely to be the last such instance. We saw, earlier today, in St. Louis, over 30 arrested. That’s not how our politics should occur. You know, the city of Chicago in 1968 saw some ugly days, when politics descended into hatred and incivility and even violence. It is my hope that in 2016 we can appeal to our better angels, to avoid going down that road once again."

Rubio said:

"I wouldn’t say Mr. Trump is responsible for the events of tonight," said Rubio, "but he is most certainly, in other events, has in the past used some pretty rough language, saying in the good old days we used to beat these people up, or I’ll pay your legal bills if you rough them up. So I think he bears some responsibility for the general tone."

I agree with all three statements above. Trump's ridiculous campaign has put our nation on the brink of civil war. He should, for the good of the nation, suspend his campaign immediately and withdraw from the Presidential race for 2016.

Do people have the right, to peaceably assemble, or not? Do you deny that the Trump campaign and the people that were there to hear him (not protest him), were in the right?

To give in on this point, means that anyone who gets shouted down during a public speech deserves not to be heard. It means mob rule and "muscle" trumps (no pun intended) the rule of law and putting up with speech you don't agree with.

I think you need to re-think your position.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 12, 2016, 04:28:20 PM

Wyoming voted today and Cruz won.

http://www.advocate.com/election/2016/3/12/republicans-wyoming-washington-and-guam-cast-their-ballots

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 12, 2016, 05:16:04 PM

Quote from: Markje on March 12, 2016, 11:16:43 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 12, 2016, 01:45:44 AM

Another Hitler/Trump comparison (It may be in need of fact checking :-X )

Trump = Hitler. The evidence is overwhelming.

Trump is of German descent on his father’s side. This makes Trump suspect because Hitler was also German.
Since Hitler wasn't German, I basicly stopped reading there. If he can't even get that simple fact straight. :rolleye0009:

For the record: Hitler was Austrian and immigrated in Germany

It was meant to be full of inaccuracies and nonsense.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 12, 2016, 05:33:30 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 12, 2016, 03:14:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 12, 2016, 11:09:28 AM
Quote from: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 10:48:14 PM

Kasich said in a statement:

"Tonight the seeds of division that Donald Trump has been sowing this whole campaign finally bore fruit, and it was ugly," said Kasich. "Some let their opposition to his views slip beyond protest into violence, but we can never let that happen. I urge people to resist that temptation and rise to a higher level. Now is the time for Americans to come together and stand firm for what we know is true: we are great because we are a peaceful people who live by the rule of law. We are stronger together, we will reject those who try to divide us for personal gain and we will do it the right way—at the ballot box."

Cruz said:

"But I think a campaign bears responsibility for creating an environment when the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence, to punch people in the face," said Cruz. "The predictable consequence of that is that it escalates, and today is unlikely to be the last such instance. We saw, earlier today, in St. Louis, over 30 arrested. That’s not how our politics should occur. You know, the city of Chicago in 1968 saw some ugly days, when politics descended into hatred and incivility and even violence. It is my hope that in 2016 we can appeal to our better angels, to avoid going down that road once again."

Rubio said:

"I wouldn’t say Mr. Trump is responsible for the events of tonight," said Rubio, "but he is most certainly, in other events, has in the past used some pretty rough language, saying in the good old days we used to beat these people up, or I’ll pay your legal bills if you rough them up. So I think he bears some responsibility for the general tone."

I agree with all three statements above. Trump's ridiculous campaign has put our nation on the brink of civil war. He should, for the good of the nation, suspend his campaign immediately and withdraw from the Presidential race for 2016.

Do people have the right, to peaceably assemble, or not? Do you deny that the Trump campaign and the people that were there to hear him (not protest him), were in the right?

To give in on this point, means that anyone who gets shouted down during a public speech deserves not to be heard. It means mob rule and "muscle" trumps (no pun intended) the rule of law and putting up with speech you don't agree with.

I think you need to re-think your position.

It seems like the back-room deals of the "establishment" might not be working so now they're joining forces with the George Soros bunch to try and derail Trump through violence. It will be very interesting to see how Tuesday turns out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 12, 2016, 05:48:10 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 12, 2016, 05:33:30 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 12, 2016, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: shakespear on March 12, 2016, 11:09:28 AM
Quote from: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 10:48:14 PM

Kasich said in a statement:

"Tonight the seeds of division that Donald Trump has been sowing this whole campaign finally bore fruit, and it was ugly," said Kasich. "Some let their opposition to his views slip beyond protest into violence, but we can never let that happen. I urge people to resist that temptation and rise to a higher level. Now is the time for Americans to come together and stand firm for what we know is true: we are great because we are a peaceful people who live by the rule of law. We are stronger together, we will reject those who try to divide us for personal gain and we will do it the right way—at the ballot box."

Cruz said:

"But I think a campaign bears responsibility for creating an environment when the candidate urges supporters to engage in physical violence, to punch people in the face," said Cruz. "The predictable consequence of that is that it escalates, and today is unlikely to be the last such instance. We saw, earlier today, in St. Louis, over 30 arrested. That’s not how our politics should occur. You know, the city of Chicago in 1968 saw some ugly days, when politics descended into hatred and incivility and even violence. It is my hope that in 2016 we can appeal to our better angels, to avoid going down that road once again."

Rubio said:

"I wouldn’t say Mr. Trump is responsible for the events of tonight," said Rubio, "but he is most certainly, in other events, has in the past used some pretty rough language, saying in the good old days we used to beat these people up, or I’ll pay your legal bills if you rough them up. So I think he bears some responsibility for the general tone."

I agree with all three statements above. Trump's ridiculous campaign has put our nation on the brink of civil war. He should, for the good of the nation, suspend his campaign immediately and withdraw from the Presidential race for 2016.

Do people have the right, to peaceably assemble, or not? Do you deny that the Trump campaign and the people that were there to hear him (not protest him), were in the right?

To give in on this point, means that anyone who gets shouted down during a public speech deserves not to be heard. It means mob rule and "muscle" trumps (no pun intended) the rule of law and putting up with speech you don't agree with.

I think you need to re-think your position.

It seems like the back-room deals of the "establishment" might not be working so now they're joining forces with the George Soros bunch to try and derail Trump through violence. It will be very interesting to see how Tuesday turns out.

This might lead to more support for Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 12, 2016, 07:20:57 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 12, 2016, 03:14:38 PM

Do people have the right, to peaceably assemble, or not? Do you deny that the Trump campaign and the people that were there to hear him (not protest him), were in the right?

To give in on this point, means that anyone who gets shouted down during a public speech deserves not to be heard. It means mob rule and "muscle" trumps (no pun intended) the rule of law and putting up with speech you don't agree with.

Concur. The anti-Trump protesters are narcissistic little brown shirt asshats who think their views supersede everyone else's and they have this fantasy that they are "Speaking Truth to Power". :coffeeread:

I'm not voting for Trump in the primary, but certainly he has a right to be heard, and the folks who came to listen had a right to hear him.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 12, 2016, 07:25:42 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 12, 2016, 07:20:57 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 12, 2016, 03:14:38 PM
Do people have the right, to peaceably assemble, or not? Do you deny that the Trump campaign and the people that were there to hear him (not protest him), were in the right?

To give in on this point, means that anyone who gets shouted down during a public speech deserves not to be heard. It means mob rule and "muscle" trumps (no pun intended) the rule of law and putting up with speech you don't agree with.

Concur. The anti-Trump protesters are narcissistic little brown shirt asshats who think their views supersede everyone else's and they have this fantasy that they are "Speaking Truth to Power". :coffeeread:

I'm not voting for Trump in the primary, but certainly he has a right to be heard, and the folks who came to listen had a right to hear him.

B/B

plus 1 :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 12, 2016, 07:28:05 PM

Quote from: Maxx on March 12, 2016, 07:25:42 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 12, 2016, 07:20:57 PM
Quote from: Slumba on March 12, 2016, 03:14:38 PM
Do people have the right, to peaceably assemble, or not? Do you deny that the Trump campaign and the people that were there to hear him (not protest him), were in the right?

To give in on this point, means that anyone who gets shouted down during a public speech deserves not to be heard. It means mob rule and "muscle" trumps (no pun intended) the rule of law and putting up with speech you don't agree with.

Concur. The anti-Trump protesters are narcissistic little brown shirt asshats who think their views supersede everyone else's and they have this fantasy that they are "Speaking Truth to Power". :coffeeread:

I'm not voting for Trump in the primary, but certainly he has a right to be heard, and the folks who came to listen had a right to hear him.

B/B

plus 1 :thumbsup:

plus 1 :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 12, 2016, 07:38:23 PM

Quote from: yankee on March 12, 2016, 07:28:05 PM

Quote from: Maxx on March 12, 2016, 07:25:42 PM
Quote from: B.B. on March 12, 2016, 07:20:57 PM
Quote from: Slumba on March 12, 2016, 03:14:38 PM
Do people have the right, to peaceably assemble, or not? Do you deny that the Trump campaign and the people that were there to hear him (not protest him), were in the right?

To give in on this point, means that anyone who gets shouted down during a public speech deserves not to be heard. It means mob rule and "muscle" trumps (no pun intended) the rule of law and putting up with speech you don't agree with.

Concur. The anti-Trump protesters are narcissistic little brown shirt asshats who think their views supersede everyone else's and they have this fantasy that they are "Speaking Truth to Power". :coffeeread:

I'm not voting for Trump in the primary, but certainly he has a right to be heard, and the folks who came to listen had a right to hear him.

B/B

plus 1 :thumbsup:

plus 1 :thumbsup:

plus 1 :thumbsup:

Will this become a regular event? Will these people or others decide to continue to disrupt Trump events? If so, will Trump supporters retaliate and disrupt Clinton and/or Sanders events?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 12, 2016, 07:45:40 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 12, 2016, 07:38:23 PM

Quote from: yankee on March 12, 2016, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: Maxx on March 12, 2016, 07:25:42 PM
Quote from: B.B. on March 12, 2016, 07:20:57 PM
Quote from: Slumba on March 12, 2016, 03:14:38 PM
Do people have the right, to peaceably assemble, or not? Do you deny that the Trump campaign and the people that were there to hear him (not protest him), were in the right?

To give in on this point, means that anyone who gets shouted down during a public speech deserves not to be heard. It means mob rule and "muscle" trumps (no pun intended) the rule of law and putting up with speech you don't agree with.

Concur. The anti-Trump protesters are narcissistic little brown shirt asshats who think their views supersede everyone else's and they have this fantasy that they are "Speaking Truth to Power". :coffeeread:

I'm not voting for Trump in the primary, but certainly he has a right to be heard, and the folks who came to listen had a right to hear him.

B/B

plus 1 :thumbsup:

plus 1 :thumbsup:

plus 1 :thumbsup:

plus 1 :thumbsup: Well said B/B!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 12, 2016, 07:47:49 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 12, 2016, 07:38:23 PM

Quote from: yankee on March 12, 2016, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: Maxx on March 12, 2016, 07:25:42 PM
Quote from: B.B. on March 12, 2016, 07:20:57 PM
Quote from: Slumba on March 12, 2016, 03:14:38 PM
Do people have the right, to peaceably assemble, or not? Do you deny that the Trump campaign and the people that were there to hear him (not protest him), were in the right?

To give in on this point, means that anyone who gets shouted down during a public speech deserves not to be heard. It means mob rule and "muscle" trumps (no pun intended) the rule of law and putting up with speech you don't agree with.

Concur. The anti-Trump protesters are narcissistic little brown shirt asshats who think their views supersede everyone else's and they have this fantasy that they are "Speaking Truth to Power". :coffeeread:

I'm not voting for Trump in the primary, but certainly he has a right to be heard, and the folks who came to listen had a right to hear him.

B/B

plus 1 :thumbsup:

plus 1 :thumbsup:

plus 1 :thumbsup:

Will this become a regular event? Will these people or others decide to continue to disrupt Trump events? If so, will Trump supporters retaliate and disrupt Clinton and/or Sanders events?

That depends upon the people funding the disruption and whether or not the police with stop them before they get a chance to cause disruption.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 12, 2016, 07:59:04 PM

Judge Jeanine Pirro scorches weakling Romney's speech criticizing Trump.

http://www.youtube.com/v/srGlyFyghRk

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 12, 2016, 10:52:06 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 12, 2016, 07:59:04 PM

Judge Jeanine Pirro scorches weakling Romney's speech criticizing Trump.

http://www.youtube.com/v/srGlyFyghRk

I heard this before but it sure was good to hear it again. Thanks Anteros!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 12, 2016, 11:39:33 PM

Interesting article:

Hillary Clinton's Dead-End Campaign

https://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/hi...ampaign/3/

Hillary Clinton’s campaign is headed down a dead-end street. There are no way-outs through decrying the treatment of women and the baleful influence of Wall Street, calling for fair enforcement of laws, referring to either the sad or great state of Obama’s economy and foreign policy, or voicing the populist concern for indebted students and losers in today’s calcified economy.

Hoping that Bill Clinton fades out or that Obama’s popularity hits 55% or that the FBI and Justice Department are as politicized as Obama’s Chicago-style IRS, ICE, or EPA is not a winning way to the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on March 12, 2016, 11:45:18 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 12, 2016, 07:45:40 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 12, 2016, 07:38:23 PM
Quote from: yankee on March 12, 2016, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: Maxx on March 12, 2016, 07:25:42 PM
Quote from: B.B. on March 12, 2016, 07:20:57 PM
Quote from: Slumba on March 12, 2016, 03:14:38 PM
Do people have the right, to peaceably assemble, or not? Do you deny that the Trump campaign and the people that were there to hear him (not protest him), were in the right?

To give in on this point, means that anyone who gets shouted down during a public speech deserves not to be heard. It means mob rule and "muscle" trumps (no pun intended) the rule of law and putting up with speech you don't agree with.

Concur. The anti-Trump protesters are narcissistic little brown shirt asshats who think their views supersede everyone else's and they have this fantasy that they are "Speaking Truth to Power". :coffeeread:

I'm not voting for Trump in the primary, but certainly he has a right to be heard, and the folks who came to listen had a right to hear him.

B/B

plus 1 :thumbsup:

plus 1 :thumbsup:

plus 1 :thumbsup:

plus 1 :thumbsup: Well said B/B!

The man has the right to be heard as started earlier.
Those who have little to no interest in what the man has to say, should stay away.
Like the man or not, it is not correct to treat anyone in such a manner, its disgraceful, and a sad reflection upon America today.
Too many people cannot see behind the façade of US politicians, whether it be Trump, Clinton or others.

As I have said before, take warning, you really do not want Clinton as President, that would probably be the biggest mistake that the US voting public could make.

FYI, I have NO rabbit in this race.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 AM

Quote from: B.B. on March 12, 2016, 07:20:57 PM

Concur. The anti-Trump protesters are narcissistic little brown shirt asshats who think their views supersede everyone else's and they have this fantasy that they are "Speaking Truth to Power". :coffeeread:

I'm not voting for Trump in the primary, but certainly he has a right to be heard, and the folks who came to listen had a right to hear him.

B/B

I agree with you in general principles B.B.

However, wouldn't you agree that a candidate that incites his followers to violence carries some of the blame as well?

Direct quote from speech - "There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience. So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. OK?" Trump said. "Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise. It won’t be so much 'cause the courts agree with us, too."

Direct quote from speech - "I'd like to punch him in the face," Trump said, remarking that a man disrupting his rally was escorted out with a smile on his face. "He's smiling, having a good time."

Direct quote from tweet - "Bernie Sanders is lying when he says his disruptors [sic] aren't told to go to my events. Be careful Bernie, or my supporters will go to yours!"

Is that "Presidential" behavior? Can't you people understand why we are scared to death of a possible Trump Presidency? Don't you see how dangerous a loose cannon like this would be in the White House? BTW, the guy spells like a 4th grader.

We'll know on Tuesday. If Kasich carries Ohio there will be no Trump Presidency. No way the Republican power base selects Trump if he doesn't have 1237 on the first ballot. Do the math. You'll see I'm right.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 13, 2016, 11:45:03 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 12, 2016, 10:52:06 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 12, 2016, 07:59:04 PM
Judge Jeanine Pirro scorches weakling Romney's speech criticizing Trump.

I heard this before but it sure was good to hear it again. Thanks Anteros!

No problem, my pleasure. She is a strong woman who supports Trump. Lots of them do!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 13, 2016, 11:47:39 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 11, 2016, 10:09:40 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 11, 2016, 09:21:19 AM
The responsible method of testing a hypothesis is to run all collected data through a statistical analysis and see if the results support the premise. An alternative is to employ data manipulation by disregarding any data that does not support the hypothesis and to play dumb about the missing data. Of course, misrepresenting data completely, as Anteros has done, takes dishonesty to a much higher plateau.

Here is one piece of data that low-information voters are happy to ignore whilst they have been falling in love with a bloviating clown: Obama's approval rating has gone positive. It doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to understand the effect that this will have on the outcome of the election.

You use to big of words.

Who knew that Tom was part of the Republican establishment? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 13, 2016, 11:56:56 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on March 12, 2016, 11:45:18 PM

As I have said before, take warning, you really do not want Clinton as President, that would probably be the biggest mistake that the US voting public could make.

+1 :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 13, 2016, 01:24:47 PM

Big money being spent by GOP establishment Super PAC's in an attempt to derail Trump ahead of the March 15th primary, especially in Florida.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/anti-trump-ads-flood-airwaves-but-will-they-work/vi-AAgEITq

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on March 13, 2016, 02:21:42 PM

Does it really matter who wins?? The next President will be a puppet for the Corporatocracy like the rest of them anyway ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 13, 2016, 06:55:27 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on March 13, 2016, 02:21:42 PM

Does it really matter who wins?? The next President will be a puppet for the Corporatocracy like the rest of them anyway ..

Yes, it matters because a president is in a position to do a lot of damage. Feeding corporate greed and bailing out billionaires are the least of our problems, compared to on-going genocide.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 13, 2016, 09:46:35 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 AM

However, wouldn't you agree that a candidate that incites his followers to violence carries some of the blame as well?

In this case I do not. The folks in Chicago were not garden-variety protesters, they were organized with the intention of closing down Trump's rally, which they succeeded in doing. The folks trying to "shout Trump down", prior, have a fantasy ideology that is solipsistic in nature; all that matters to them is *them*...what good people *they* are, how they have a presumptive right to suppress speech that *they* don't like.

Quote from: shakespear on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 AM

Direct quote from speech - "There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience. So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. OK?" Trump said. "Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise. It won’t be so much 'cause the courts agree with us, too."

Direct quote from speech - "I'd like to punch him in the face," Trump said, remarking that a man disrupting his rally was escorted out with a smile on his face. "He's smiling, having a good time."

If anything, I think Trump was restrained, particularly for Trump. The folks disrupting don't mind throwing punches themselves. I think if anyone is "inciting" anything it's them...they're hoping some LEO roughs them up so that they can cry crocodile tears at the nearest camera and whine, "I can't breathe!"

Subsequent to the first incident, Trump told his supporters when someone tries to disrupt an event to surround him and shout "TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!" and not engage in violence, so regardless of what happens, Trump has given them instructions not to be violent. But somehow it's ok if it's disruptors of the BLM crowd?

Quote from: shakespear on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 AM

Direct quote from tweet - "Bernie Sanders is lying when he says his disruptors [sic] aren't told to go to my events. Be careful Bernie, or my supporters will go to yours!"

So turnabout isn't fair play? :coffeeread: I don't personally believe that Sanders is "sending out" disruptors, but his "lost boys" followers are just the sort of true believer ass clowns who would do, well, what they're doing.

Quote from: shakespear on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 AM

Is that "Presidential" behavior?

That's a separate question. I don't think we've seen much "presidential" behavior from any of the current candidates, other than Kasich, who, as I said before, evidently inhabits some alternate reality in which issues and character matters.

I never imagined that Ted Cruz would be in a race where he wasn't "the crazy guy".

Quote from: shakespear on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 AM

Can't you people understand why we are scared to death of a possible Trump Presidency? Don't you see how dangerous a loose cannon like this would be in the White House?

I understand why some people might feel that way, but I disagree on the issue of suppression of civil liberties.

The question I would pose in return is: Why do you hate democracy? :chuckle:

Quote from: shakespear on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 AM

BTW, the guy spells like a 4th grader.

Um. Okay....

Quote from: shakespear on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 AM

We'll know on Tuesday. If Kasich carries Ohio there will be no Trump Presidency. No way the Republican power base selects Trump if he doesn't have 1237 on the first ballot. Do the math. You'll see I'm right.

Actually, the way the math looks, Trump can win without Ohio or Florida....and he's likely going to win Florida.

If Trump is such a buffoon--and really, I think that in addition to being a narcissist that guy is needy as hell--then why not simply let him keep talking and hang himself? Every time Trump is attacked--and those coming from the Left are particularly egregious; whatever Donald Trump is, he's not a NAZI and anyone making such a comparison has an extremely poor understanding of history--he becomes more resilient. Why make him a figure of sympathy for the disaffected base?

At any rate, when CT goes to the polls I am going to pull the lever for Kasich as he's the last remaining Responsible Adult in the race, but the matter will be decided by then.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 13, 2016, 11:16:21 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 13, 2016, 06:55:27 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on March 13, 2016, 02:21:42 PM
Does it really matter who wins?? The next President will be a puppet for the Corporatocracy like the rest of them anyway ..

Yes, it matters because a president is in a position to do a lot of damage. Feeding corporate greed and bailing out billionaires are the least of our problems, compared to on-going genocide.

It's true that there is an ongoing genocide in the Middle East, and it's ISIS murdering Christians in the most barbaric ways possible. Yet Obama still has not condemned this genocide as for what it really is.

Feeding corporate greed? I'm going to assume you were referring to Solyndra. Or maybe yet another Obama scandal?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-09-18/news/ct-met-kass-0918-20110918_1_solyndra-loan-guarantee-obama-fundraisers-obama-white-house

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on March 14, 2016, 01:23:03 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 13, 2016, 06:55:27 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on March 13, 2016, 02:21:42 PM
Does it really matter who wins?? The next President will be a puppet for the Corporatocracy like the rest of them anyway ..

Yes, it matters because a president is in a position to do a lot of damage. Feeding corporate greed and bailing out billionaires are the least of our problems, compared to on-going genocide.

Or blowing up the twin towers ? ;D And blaming terrorists ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on March 14, 2016, 01:26:17 AM

I just saw the news article how hillary clinton is breaking the US laws about voting and campaigning, and nobody apparently cared.

Mark.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 14, 2016, 05:54:41 AM

Quote from: B.B. on March 13, 2016, 09:46:35 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
However, wouldn't you agree that a candidate that incites his followers to violence carries some of the blame as well?

In this case I do not. The folks in Chicago were not garden-variety protesters, they were organized with the intention of closing down Trump's rally, which they succeeded in doing. The folks trying to "shout Trump down", prior, have a fantasy ideology that is solipsistic in nature; all that matters to them is *them*...what good people *they* are, how they have a presumptive right to suppress speech that *they* don't like.

Quote from: shakespear on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
Direct quote from speech - "There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience. So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. OK?" Trump said. "Just knock the hell — I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise, I promise. It won’t be so much 'cause the courts agree with us, too."

Direct quote from speech - "I'd like to punch him in the face," Trump said, remarking that a man disrupting his rally was escorted out with a smile on his face. "He's smiling, having a good time."

If anything, I think Trump was restrained, particularly for Trump. The folks disrupting don't mind throwing punches themselves. I think if anyone is "inciting" anything it's them...they're hoping some LEO roughs them up so that they can cry crocodile tears at the nearest camera and whine, "I can't breathe!"

Subsequent to the first incident, Trump told his supporters when someone tries to disrupt an event to surround him and shout "TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!" and not engage in violence, so regardless of what happens, Trump has given them instructions not to be violent. But somehow it's ok if it's disruptors of the BLM crowd?

Quote from: shakespear on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
Direct quote from tweet - "Bernie Sanders is lying when he says his disruptors [sic] aren't told to go to my events. Be careful Bernie, or my supporters will go to yours!"

So turnabout isn't fair play? :coffeeread: I don't personally believe that Sanders is "sending out" disruptors, but his "lost boys" followers are just the sort of true believer ass clowns who would do, well, what they're doing.

Quote from: shakespear on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
Is that "Presidential" behavior?

That's a separate question. I don't think we've seen much "presidential" behavior from any of the current candidates, other than Kasich, who, as I said before, evidently inhabits some alternate reality in which issues and character matters.

I never imagined that Ted Cruz would be in a race where he wasn't "the crazy guy".

Quote from: shakespear on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
Can't you people understand why we are scared to death of a possible Trump Presidency? Don't you see how dangerous a loose cannon like this would be in the White House?

I understand why some people might feel that way, but I disagree on the issue of suppression of civil liberties.

The question I would pose in return is: Why do you hate democracy? :chuckle:

Quote from: shakespear on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
BTW, the guy spells like a 4th grader.

Um. Okay....

Quote from: shakespear on March 13, 2016, 11:29:50 AM
We'll know on Tuesday. If Kasich carries Ohio there will be no Trump Presidency. No way the Republican power base selects Trump if he doesn't have 1237 on the first ballot. Do the math. You'll see I'm right.

Actually, the way the math looks, Trump can win without Ohio or Florida....and he's likely going to win Florida.

If Trump is such a buffoon--and really, I think that in addition to being a narcissist that guy is needy as hell--then why not simply let him keep talking and hang himself? Every time Trump is attacked--and those coming from the Left are particularly egregious; whatever Donald Trump is, he's not a NAZI and anyone making such a comparison has an extremely poor understanding of history--he becomes more resilient. Why make him a figure of sympathy for the disaffected base?

At any rate, when CT goes to the polls I am going to pull the lever for Kasich as he's the last remaining Responsible Adult in the race, but the matter will be decided by then.

B/B

I agree with the above.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 14, 2016, 09:36:44 AM

Kasich comments on immigration:

http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2016/03/14/john-kasich-goes-all-in-for-amnesty-illegals-made-in-the-image-of-the-lord/

While the site is anti-Kasich, the quotes are his own.

My view on Kasich: too willing to compromise. Being too conciliatory encourages aggression.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 14, 2016, 10:41:41 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 13, 2016, 11:16:21 PM

It's true that there is an ongoing genocide in the Middle East, and it's ISIS murdering Christians in the most barbaric ways possible. Yet Obama still has not condemned this genocide as for what it really is.

Feeding corporate greed? I'm going to assume you were referring to Solyndra. Or maybe yet another Obama scandal?

1) I was thinking about the genocide that we (the United States) perpetrated, such as Vietnam and Iraq.

2) Halliburton, Monsanto and Pfizer are better examples.

Don't let me rain on your blame-Obama parade, though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 14, 2016, 10:56:58 AM

Once upon a time there were three cowardly Republican mice, little Marco Lubio, Lyin' Ted and Johnny Kasich. These mice pretended to be strong - strong enough to lead the kingdom. Then came the day when another Republican, The Donald, was attacked by the forces of evil. Everyone from George Soros, Obama's favorite terrorists, Bill Ayers, Black Lives Matter, Bernie Sanders student parasites, Bernie the Dork, Hillary the Witch and American-hating Muslims tried to silence The Donald. Rather than supporting their fellow Republican, the three cowardly mice joined in on attacking The Donald.

What would happen to the Kingdom if one of these cowardly mice were to become Coward-In-Chief?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 14, 2016, 12:26:21 PM

Unbelievable John Kasich is more of a Militant Liberation Theologist than Pope Comrade Franciso

John Kasich Goes All In For Amnesty: Illegals ‘Made In The Image Of The Lord’
http://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2016/03/14/john-kasich-goes-all-in-for-amnesty-illegals-made-in-the-image-of-the-lord/

That and a $200,000 Soros donation to Cucksich within the past 48 hours - no SuperPACs do not influence their votes at all...

Looks like now that Breitbart cleaned house of their Chief NEOcohen Benji Boy Shapiro and his stealth SJWs they are focused again on Right issues:

Note: Jeb er ah um John immigracion is an act of love Kasich's George Soros Open Borders Immigration Amnesty Policies:

The donor class seems to be turning its eyes to John Kasich’s last stand in Ohio...

The hope seems to be that a Kasich win in Ohio will not only deny GOP frontrunner Donald Trump delegates, but will also create a new vehicle for arriving at a contested convention.

Because the Kasich campaign was largely ignored as a non-factor prior to Rubio’s polling collapse, Kasich went months with virtually no scrutiny of even his most bizarre statements on the campaign trail.

However, in recent days, Trump has increasingly set his sights on Kasich—whether it be Kasich’s role at Lehman Brothers during the time of the economic collapse, as well as Kasich’s support for NAFTA and Obama’s Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement—a deal which Donald Trump and Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)80%
have warned would destroy Ohio’s auto industry.

In particular, Trump has zeroed in on Kasich’s heretofore overlooked push for massive amnesty. Though it has transpired without much attention, Kasich has quietly amassed a string of bizarre, peculiar, and extreme statements on immigration that places him to the furthest leftward reaches of not just the Republican President field, but the Democratic Presidential field as well. This perhaps underscores an element of seriousness to Kasich’s previous declaration, which he had intended in jest: “I ought to be running in a Democrat primary.”

Below are just some of Kasich’s most bizarre and radical statements on immigration, which have flown under the radar.

1) “God Bless” Illegal Immigrants

Illegal immigrants are a “critical part of our society,” John Kasich told the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce last October. “For those that are here that have been law abiding, God bless them,” Kasich said—arguing that illegals “should have a path to legalization.”

2) “I couldn’t imagine” enforcing our current immigration laws: “That is not… the kind of values that we believe in.”

On the GOP debate stage in February, Kasich told millions of American voters that enforcing the nation’s immigration laws is not “the kind of values that we believe in.”

“I couldn’t even imagine how we would even begin to think about taking a mom or a dad out of a house when they have not committed a crime since they’ve been here, leaving their children in the house,” Kasich said. “That is not, in my opinion, the kind of values that we believe in.”

3) Kasich likened deporting the illegal population to Japanese internment camps

“To think that that we’re just going to put people on buses and ship them to the border—look at our World War II experience where we quarantined Japanese—I mean it’s a dark stain on America’s history,” Kasich said in November.

“We shouldn’t even think about it,” Kasich said of the “nutty” idea:

“I don’t know many people that believe we should deport 11 million people—just because people shout loud doesn’t mean they’re a majority. I think most Republicans would agree that you can’t deport 11 million people. We shouldn’t even think about it. What are you going to do? Break their families up?”

4) Illegal immigrants “are some of the hardest-working, God-fearing, family-oriented people you can ever meet.”

As Newsmax reported in August, when a New Hampshire town-hall attendee asked Kasich about illegal immigration and the burden illegal immigrants place upon the nation, Kasich dismissed the voter’s concern.

“A lot of these people who are here are some of the hardest-working, God-fearing, family-oriented people you can ever meet,” Kasich said referring to illegal immigrants. “These are people who are contributing significantly.”

Kasich made no mention of the fact that 87 percent of illegal immigrant households with children in 2012 were on welfare, according to a 2015 report based on Census Bureau data.

Kasich similarly made no mention of last year’s report from the liberal Migration Policy Institute which found that there are nearly one million illegal aliens in the United States with criminal convictions (820,000). This figure was not an estimation of total crimes committed by illegal immigrants—which would be a much higher number—but only those illegal aliens successfully identified, arrested, tried, and convicted.

5) Allowing ICE officers to do their jobs is not “humane”

Kasich told CBS last year that he does not support deporting the illegal population: “I don’t think it’s right; I don’t think it’s humane.”

Kasich also compared illegal immigration to cutting in line at a Taylor Swift concert: “I don’t favor citizenship [for illegals] because as I tell my daughters, you don’t jump the line to go to a Taylor Swift concert, you just don’t do it,” Kasich said.

However, Kasich has made clear that he is open to giving illegal immigrants citizenship. Moreover, a report from Columbus Dispatch suggests that Kasich favors green cards for illegal immigrants, which is the main pathway to citizenship.

6) America can’t deport illegal immigrants because they are “made in the image of the Lord”

In June, the Columbus Dispatch reported on a meeting that took place between John Kasich and an illegal immigrant and her son. After their meeting, Kasich said: “They’re just good people. They’re made in the image of the Lord, and you know, there’s a big element of compassion connected to how we treat people who are trying to find a way to a better life.”

If being “made in the image of the Lord” provides an exemption to America’s immigration law, then that would mean that all of the world’s seven billion people would be free to violate America’s immigration laws.

7) Kasich has called for implementing an open borders-style policy where workers can come and go as they please.

In July, Kasich told Fox News’ Sean Hannity that we need to “have a guest worker program so people can come in, work, and then leave. Our program is too narrow now.”

Kasich claim that the nation’s guest worker program, which admits an unprecedented number of foreign workers into the country, is “too narrow” is astonishing—and places him squarely in the tiny minority of the Republican electorate, only seven percent of whom want to increase immigration.

Moreover, Kasich’s call for a guest worker program that will allow workers to come and go as they please represents the central pillar of the open borders philosophy. Under this global one-world theory, any willing employer should be able to hire any willing worker regardless of the country in which they reside—thus removing any right that American workers be entitled to get American jobs. This is similar to the policy European countries have within the European Union—namely, people are entitled to move freely from one country to another. Kasich is essentially laying out how the same legal structure could be adopted for the United States and all the foreign countries of the world.

8) Kasich would enact amnesty within his first 100 days.

In last Thursday’s CNN debate, Kasich told voters that he would enact the largest amnesty in U.S. history within his first 100 days in office. “For the 11 and a half million who are here, then in my view if they have not committed a crime since they’ve been here, they get a path to legalization. Not to citizenship. I believe that program can pass the Congress in the first 100 days,” Kasich said.

9) America shouldn’t address ending birthright citizenship because it’s “dividing people”

Kasich has made clear that he does not want to discuss birthright citizenship as an issue. While Kasich previously supported ending birthright citizenship, he has since reversed his position—meaning he now supports giving citizenship to all children of illegal immigrants, or of tourists and guest-workers, who are born on U.S. soil.

“I don’t believe it should be a fundamental part of this whole thing because I think it remains dividing to people, to be honest with you,” Kasich said trying to take the issue off the table. “Let these people who are born here be citizens and that’s the end of it. I don’t want to dwell on it.”

“If you are born here, you’re a citizen. Period. End of story,” Kasich told the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce last October.

10) Illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay because “they’re here”

“With the 12 million—they’re here,” Kasich said explaining why he supports a path to legalization. “If they have been law-abiding, then I believe they should have a path to legalization… look, they have become a very important part of our society.”

When PBS’ Gwen Ifill pressed Kasich on how his position on the issue “rubs a lot of Republicans the wrong way,” Kasich said: “Well, what do you think we’re going to do? Go chasing them down? And put these big lights on top of cars? And go into neighborhoods hunting them down? That’s not—that’s not what America is.”

Kasich again repeated his talking point likening illegally entering the United States and residing here in violation of U.S. immigration law, to cutting in line at a Taylor Swift concert: “Look, nobody likes that they broke the law, they ditched the line. I have told my kids, as much as you love Taylor Swift, you don’t ditch the line to get into a concert.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 12:39:18 PM

Contrary to Shakespear's assertions, if Kasich wins Ohio and Trump wins Florida, this is no guarantee of a brokered convention. Trump would need to win 50% of the remaining delegates, but that is doable.

I think it's really interesting who Kasich and Shakespear support: Wall Street, who has made massive fortunes because of QE which really turned Wall Street into a massive casino instead of a legitimate investment, and ILlegal immigration which has cost this nation Billions of dollars in social costs as well as driving wages down, as well as globalization which only benefits a small and narrow percentage of Americans.

IOW Kasich is no friend of the working man. He is for NAFTA and for the TPP which will cost Ohio lost jobs as it will kill auto manufacturing in Ohio.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 12:41:20 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 14, 2016, 10:41:41 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 13, 2016, 11:16:21 PM
It's true that there is an ongoing genocide in the Middle East, and it's ISIS murdering Christians in the most barbaric ways possible. Yet Obama still has not condemned this genocide as for what it really is.

Feeding corporate greed? I'm going to assume you were referring to Solyndra. Or maybe yet another Obama scandal?

1) I was thinking about the genocide that we (the United States) perpetrated, such as Vietnam and Iraq.

2) Halliburton, Monsanto and Pfizer are better examples.

And don't let me rain on your "I hate America parade" either. Will you be purchasing a one-way ticket to Canada if Trump wins? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 01:10:04 PM

Kasich and Trump now neck and neck in Ohio.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/14/stephen-miller-kasich-pro-obamatrade-agenda-death-warrant-for-ohio-manufacturing/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 14, 2016, 02:38:06 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 12:41:20 PM

And don't let me rain on your "I hate America parade" either.

Trump and his supporters won't be happy until all intelligent, educated people are deported, put in internment camps or executed. Fortunately, the more deranged the rhetoric, the more that it drives home the message that Trump and his supporters are stupid, ignorant and dangerous. The national polls are just beginning to reflect the realization that the devil that they know (Clinton) is preferable to a mentally ill devil.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 14, 2016, 02:58:29 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 14, 2016, 02:38:06 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 12:41:20 PM
And don't let me rain on your "I hate America parade" either.

Trump and his supporters won't be happy until all intelligent, educated people are deported, put in internment camps or executed. Fortunately, the more deranged the rhetoric, the more that it drives home the message that Trump and his supporters are stupid, ignorant and dangerous. The national polls are just beginning to reflect the realization that the devil that they know (Clinton) is preferable to a mentally ill devil.

So if hypothetically, Trump is elected ... and you are still around in 2020 and living in the USA ... what will that say about you? :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 14, 2016, 03:06:42 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 14, 2016, 02:58:29 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 14, 2016, 02:38:06 PM
Quote from: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 12:41:20 PM
And don't let me rain on your "I hate America parade" either.

Trump and his supporters won't be happy until all intelligent, educated people are deported, put in internment camps or executed. Fortunately, the more deranged the rhetoric, the more that it drives home the message that Trump and his supporters are stupid, ignorant and dangerous. The national polls are just beginning to reflect the realization that the devil that they know (Clinton) is preferable to a mentally ill devil.

So if hypothetically, Trump is elected ... and you are still around in 2020 and living in the USA ... what will that say about you? :ROFL:

TomT please tell me you're not another person threatening to move to Canada if Trump is elected? You've got a FSU wife move to her country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 14, 2016, 03:09:36 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 14, 2016, 02:58:29 PM

So if hypothetically, Trump is elected ... and you are still around in 2020 and living in the USA ... what will that say about you?

It will say that I have slipped through the cracks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 14, 2016, 03:11:57 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 14, 2016, 03:06:42 PM

TomT please tell me you're not another person threatening to move to Canada if Trump is elected?

I'm not another drama queen who is threatening to move to Canada (or elsewhere).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 14, 2016, 03:18:09 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 14, 2016, 02:38:06 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 12:41:20 PM
And don't let me rain on your "I hate America parade" either.

Trump and his supporters won't be happy until all intelligent, educated people are deported, put in internment camps or executed. Fortunately, the more deranged the rhetoric, the more that it drives home the message that Trump and his supporters are stupid, ignorant and dangerous. The national polls are just beginning to reflect the realization that the devil that they know (Clinton) is preferable to a mentally ill devil.

Those words are nothing less than high treason and pro the enemies of the USA.

Hillary Clinton is a pathological lying malignant influence peddler and foreign agent who will insure that by 2050 the USA will grow to 500 Million population flooded by illiterate Latin Americans, Africans and South and East Asians turning the USA into Norte Brasilia with gated suburbs and armed guarded farms in every corner of the country with Narco Traffickers and Criminal Gangs and rampant kidnapping everywhere just like Mexico and Columbia and much of the rest of Latin, Central and South America - the US Military will look more like the ineffectual facist militaries of Chile and Argentina post WWII 20th century regimes.

Donald Trump is the only candidate with enough eff you money and balls to stand up to the effeminate metrosexual Militant Marxist Feminist Pro LGBTQ SJW Bernie and Hitlery supporters and prevent our country from turning into lawless Latin American Narco State cesspools.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 14, 2016, 03:30:00 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 14, 2016, 03:18:09 PM

Those words are nothing less than high treason...

It's a good thing that I toned down the first draft then.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 03:38:06 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 14, 2016, 02:38:06 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 12:41:20 PM
And don't let me rain on your "I hate America parade" either.

Trump and his supporters won't be happy until all intelligent, educated people are deported, put in internment camps or executed.

Are you illiterate? Can you read? Trump is a graduate of the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. Is he going to deport himself? Is he going to put himself in an internment camp? Is he going to volunteer to be executed?

Talk about histrionics. You are the ~~king~~ queen of histrionics. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 14, 2016, 03:46:55 PM

^ That was a waste of what could have been a perfectly good education.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 14, 2016, 04:03:05 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 14, 2016, 03:18:09 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 14, 2016, 02:38:06 PM
Quote from: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 12:41:20 PM
And don't let me rain on your "I hate America parade" either.

Trump and his supporters won't be happy until all intelligent, educated people are deported, put in internment camps or executed. Fortunately, the more deranged the rhetoric, the more that it drives home the message that Trump and his supporters are stupid, ignorant and dangerous. The national polls are just beginning to reflect the realization that the devil that they know (Clinton) is preferable to a mentally ill devil.

Those words are nothing less than high treason and pro the enemies of the USA.

Hillary Clinton is a pathological lying malignant influence peddler and foreign agent who will insure that by 2050 the USA will grow to 500 Million population flooded by illiterate Latin Americans, Africans and South and East Asians turning the USA into Norte Brasilia with gated suburbs and armed guarded farms in every corner of the country with Narco Traffickers and Criminal Gangs and rampant kidnapping everywhere just like Mexico and Columbia and much of the rest of Latin, Central and South America - the US Military will look more like the ineffectual facist militaries of Chile and Argentina post WWII 20th century regimes.
.

That is pretty much the plan. A similar plan for europe is called the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan.

USA becomes Brazil North

EU becomes EURabia.

There is a "EURasian peoples" plan for Australia also.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 14, 2016, 06:43:56 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 14, 2016, 04:03:05 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 14, 2016, 03:18:09 PM
Quote from: TomT on March 14, 2016, 02:38:06 PM
Quote from: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 12:41:20 PM
And don't let me rain on your "I hate America parade" either.

Trump and his supporters won't be happy until all intelligent, educated people are deported, put in internment camps or executed. Fortunately, the more deranged the rhetoric, the more that it drives home the message that Trump and his supporters are stupid, ignorant and dangerous. The national polls are just beginning to reflect the realization that the devil that they know (Clinton) is preferable to a mentally ill devil.

Those words are nothing less than high treason and pro the enemies of the USA.

Hillary Clinton is a pathological lying malignant influence peddler and foreign agent who will insure that by 2050 the USA will grow to 500 Million population flooded by illiterate Latin Americans, Africans and South and East Asians turning the USA into Norte Brasilia with gated suburbs and armed guarded farms in every corner of the country with Narco Traffickers and Criminal Gangs and rampant kidnapping everywhere just like Mexico and Columbia and much of the rest of Latin, Central and South America - the US Military will look more like the ineffectual facist militaries of Chile and Argentina post WWII 20th century regimes.
.

That is pretty much the plan. A similar plan for europe is called the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan.

USA becomes Brazil North

EU becomes EURabia.

There is a "EURasian peoples" plan for Australia also.

This version of a one race world won't happen any time soon, certainly not within the next few centuries. As someone who probably knows more about Asian than most on RUA I can say that most Asians don't want to marry someone outside their own race.

There are exceptions of course but in general a Chinese man or woman wants to marry a Chinese person. Koreans and Japanese even more so, although those that immigrate are far more open to the idea of marrying outside their ethnic group. Indians are probably one of the most reluctant groups to marry outside their race, many still adhere to the cast system and don't want to marry anyone outside their caste.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 07:22:23 PM

More double standards on the left. Not too many of them seem to have remembered this little nugget.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/

(not even left-wing sympathizer Shakespear....)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 07:29:31 PM

Then there's the fact that Obama palled around with Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers.

http://gawker.com/obama-secretly-partied-with-bill-ayers-last-summer-1684584845

Revisionist hate speech of "pastor" Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for a decade.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 07:59:35 PM

What's funny about Republican "establishment" efforts to derail Trump, is that they are forcing the alternative of Ted Cruz. This article deals with the many reasons Cruz is disliked by Senate Republicans.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-many-many-reasons-republican-senators-can%e2%80%99t-stand-ted-cruz/ar-AAgLrsi?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 14, 2016, 08:00:19 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 07:22:23 PM

More double standards on the left. Not too many of them seem to have remembered this little nugget.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/

(not even left-wing sympathizer Shakespear....)

I hope that I never deteriorate to the point where I can't tell the difference between the literal and the metaphorical.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 08:04:40 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 14, 2016, 08:00:19 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 07:22:23 PM
More double standards on the left. Not too many of them seem to have remembered this little nugget.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/

(not even left-wing sympathizer Shakespear....)

I hope that I never deteriorate to the point where I can't tell the difference between the literal and the metaphorical.

Oh, that's it. Trump need only point out that his speech is "metaphorical". :laugh:

Quote from: TomT on March 14, 2016, 02:38:06 PM

Trump and his supporters won't be happy until all intelligent, educated people are deported, put in internment camps or executed. Fortunately, the more deranged the rhetoric, the more that it drives home the message that Trump and his supporters are stupid, ignorant and dangerous. The national polls are just beginning to reflect the realization that the devil that they know (Clinton) is preferable to a mentally ill devil.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 14, 2016, 08:15:30 PM

^ The devil metaphor means that it is better to continue with something that is familiar, although not ideal, than something that is less-well known and possibly much worse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 08:28:12 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 14, 2016, 08:15:30 PM

^ The devil metaphor means that it is better to continue with something that is familiar, although not ideal, than something that is less-well known and possibly much worse.

No sh*t ex-lax. :laugh:

Having said that, we know Hillary Clinton committed heinous acts related to Benghazi. We know she was for the overthrow of Gaddafi which has led to the refugee crisis in Europe and continued Middle East instability. We know that she voted for George Bush Jr's neo-con war in Iraq. We know she has an ongoing problem with wanting to break the law, and thinks she is above the law.

Meanwhile we know that Trump has built World class properties all over the World and employed thousands. Who has Hillary employed other than high-powered lawyers to try to get her off the hook for her illicit behavior?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 08:41:58 PM

This has got to be the dopiest attempt yet to make Trump look bad. Trump is "worse than Voldemort". :ROFL:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/other/world-leaders-on-president-trump/vi-BBpRCCK

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 09:19:34 PM

"I talk to people all of the time, as I’m sure everybody around the table does, and they say, “Why don’t you Republicans do something about this guy?” I’m sorry. This is not the Soviet Union. We can’t call a meeting and decide Trump is out".

Oh, but Shakespear wishes it was like the Soviet Union. :laugh:

Then there was this classic statement: He’s not articulate. He’s not poised. He’s not informed. All he has going for him is a lot of votes.... :ROFL:

http://thewashingtonstandard.com/gop-establishment-meets-lunch-dc-discuss-stop-donald-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on March 14, 2016, 09:27:37 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 14, 2016, 08:15:30 PM

^ The devil metaphor means that it is better to continue with something that is familiar, although not ideal, than something that is less-well known and possibly much worse.

A case of "Better the devil you know, than the Devil you don't know" eh..

Where would the world be if we lived to this?

There would be no leap in quantum physics, no deep space exploration, no treatment for serious illnesses..

Nothing...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 09:33:06 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on March 14, 2016, 09:27:37 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 14, 2016, 08:15:30 PM
^ The devil metaphor means that it is better to continue with something that is familiar, although not ideal, than something that is less-well known and possibly much worse.

A case of "Better the devil you know, than the Devil you don't know" eh..

Where would the world be if we lived to this?

There would be no leap in quantum physics, no deep space exploration, no treatment for serious illnesses..

Nothing...

:bow:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 15, 2016, 12:06:58 AM

The very thought that Donald Trump might end up as the 45th President of the United States has many Americans saying they're going to move to Canada.

Here is a guide to some of the things you might find if you move to Canada.

http://www.theloop.ca/an-americans-guide-for-moving-to-canada-what-immigration-wont-tell-you/?symeid=OutbrainLoopArticle

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on March 15, 2016, 12:47:17 AM

Do you think Donald Trump will follow in the footsteps of all the other Presidents? That is become a puppet for the American Corporations , go trash other countries or trash their economies ?
Then award the big corporations contracts to re build the countries economies?

The usual story http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/18/iraq.usa

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 15, 2016, 01:54:44 AM

Steve, did you ever see the TV programs Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister? If you did then I think that you know the answer to your own question.

The entrenched interests, protected by a strong bureaucracy will serve as a strong brake upon any desired changes that a Trump presidency might want to make. He won't have to sell out in order to fall victim to this process.

Given the visible tendency in the United States to use violence as a form of argumentation it might be that Trump may need to be aware of the ramifications of his ideas upon the health of himself, his family and associates in a manner that over here in civilisation we do not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 15, 2016, 03:35:33 AM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-15%20at%202.28.26%20PM_zps5gj3zlkv.png)

Curly Haugland of the Republican National Committeeman for North Dakota said in a letter sent out on March 11 delegates may “vote according to their personal choice in all matters to come before the Republican National Convention, including the vote to nominate the Republican Candidate for President” and disregard voters.

Haugland dismisses primaries as “nearly worthless ‘beauty contests’” and believes delegates “have been bound only once in the history of the Republican Party.”

In 1976, the Ford campaign, afraid of losing “pledged” delegates to Reagan forces and having the strength of delegate numbers needed, forced the adoption of the “Justice Resolution” which amended the convention rules to bind the delegates to cast their convention votes according to the results of binding primaries.

According to Haugland instead of “pledged” delegates—pledged to the wish of the American voter—delegates should be free to “vote their conscience.”

He continues: “Every delegate to the 2016 Republican National Convention is a completely free agent, free to vote for the candidate of their choice on every ballot at the convention in Cleveland in July. Every delegate is a Superdelegate!”
If not for Donald Trump, this would not be an issue—establishment candidates invariably go on to claim the nomination and fight it out in the general election with a Democrat, similarly chosen by delegates beholden to the party and the establishment.

Democrat Party Rigs the Process with Superdelegates
“Superdelegates were created in part to give Democratic party elites the opportunity to put their finger on the scale and prevent nominations like those of George McGovern in 1972 or Jimmy Carter in 1976, which displeased party insiders,” writes Nate Silver.
Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz made this perfectly clear in February when she admitted the system is rigged (for the sake of “diversity,” of course):

Unpledged delegates exist really to make sure that party leaders and elected officials don’t have to be in a position where they are running against grass-roots activists. We are, as a Democratic Party, really highlight and emphasize inclusiveness and diversity at our convention, and so we want to give every opportunity to grass-roots activists and diverse committed Democrats to be able to participate, attend and be a delegate at the convention. And so we separate out those unpledged delegates to make sure that there isn’t competition between them.

In order to make this palatable to PC sensitive Democrats, Wasserman Schultz added:
We separate those so that we don’t have elected officials and party leaders running against the activists, but want to make sure are helping to diversify our convention. That is something we take great pride in. A Native-American cancer survivor. Those people should have an opportunity to be delegates, too. And they shouldn’t have to deal with very well-known officials and party leaders. And that’s why we separate them.

This is not only absurd, it is insulting—the DNC does not care about Native American cancer survivors, it is only concerned with making sure an establishment vetted candidate makes it into the presidential election.

Lambert Strether comments:
Wasserman Schultz is stunning in her effrontery, both for her fabrication—does anybody really believe that the superdelegate system was set up so that Native-American cancer survivors could run?—and for her paternalism: Does she really think that “Native-American cancer survivors” want to sit at the kid’s table, and don’t want to “deal with” “very well-known officials and party leaders”? Personally, I’d like to deal with them very much, and even have some ideas about how to go about doing it.

A chart included in Strether’s post reveals the corporate allegiance of super delegates during the Obama presidential run: they worked for Goldman Sachs, Verizon, JPMorgan, Pfizer, News Corp., and various SuperPACs controlled by corporate clients.
Grafting the Superdelegate Scam on the GOP

Haugland’s letter announced establishment Republicans have more or less adopted the Democrat super delegate process in an effort to make sure Donald Trump does not emerge from the convention a winner.

“If the Republican nomination were contested under Democratic delegate rules instead, Trump would find it almost impossible to get a majority of delegates, and a floor fight in Cleveland would already be all but inevitable,” writes Silver.

It is not clear if the Republican strategy will work. However, it does signal that the GOP is busy attempting to fix the race and steal the nomination for one of the candidates who will likely remain in the race despite dismal numbers.

Earlier this month it was reported previous presidential loser Mitt Romney was brought out of the closet to stump Trump.
“Mitt Romney has instructed his closest advisers to explore the possibility of stopping Donald Trump at the Republican National Convention, a source close to Romney’s inner circle says,” CNN reported. “Romney is focused on suppressing Trump’s delegate count to prevent him from accumulating the 1,237 delegates he needs to secure the nomination.”

Mitt is has a condition, however. “But implicit in Romney’s request to his team to explore the possibility of a convention fight is his willingness to step in and carry the party’s banner into the fall general election as the Republican nominee. Another name these sources mentioned was House Speaker Paul Ryan, Romney’s running mate in 2012.”

Romney and Ryan did not run in the 2016 primary and are not the choice of primary voters, but this does not matter. The only thing that matters in 2016 is saving the party and the establishment from the dangerous and resented outsider Donald Trump."

http://www.infowars.com/rnc-says-delegates-not-bound-to-primary-votes/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on March 15, 2016, 04:19:32 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 15, 2016, 01:54:44 AM

Steve, did you ever see the TV programs Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister? If you did then I think that you know the answer to your own question.

The entrenched interests, protected by a strong bureaucracy will serve as a strong brake upon any desired changes that a Trump presidency might want to make. He won't have to sell out in order to fall victim to this process.

Given the visible tendency in the United States to use violence as a form of argumentation it might be that Trump may need to be aware of the ramifications of his ideas upon the health of himself, his family and associates in a manner that over here in civilisation we do not.

Yes I often think of what a terrible world we live in all comes down to greed, feel sorry for kids growing up in it..
We all want to make money.. just better to do it without murdering everyone along the way.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 15, 2016, 05:03:29 AM

Arrived at my poll location at 6:40am - out by 7:15am.

Kasich the clear choice . . . . . . . . . .

Ohio will stop the Trump momentum dead in its tracks.

No first ballot convention - no President Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 15, 2016, 07:25:48 AM

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/03/14/trump-rises-national-support-rubio-falls-and-carso/

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-15%20at%206.10.51%20PM_zps0hyfbgq6.png)

53%!

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/GOPnational1085074_zps4fzaiczj.png)

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 15, 2016, 07:32:18 AM

Jean-Claude Van Damme calls out Rothschild and Rockefeller on live TV

Says what Shakespear says, they won't let Trump win. They want to preserve their globalism and the continued predation of the poor and middle class.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on March 15, 2016, 07:42:40 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 15, 2016, 07:32:18 AM

Jean-Claude Van Damme calls out Rothschild and Rockefeller on live TV

Says what Shakespear says, they won't let Trump win. They want to preserve their globalism and the continued predation of the poor and middle class.

So Wiz is absolutely correct with his rantings... :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 15, 2016, 08:04:42 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on March 14, 2016, 09:27:37 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 14, 2016, 08:15:30 PM
^ The devil metaphor means that it is better to continue with something that is familiar, although not ideal, than something that is less-well known and possibly much worse.

A case of "Better the devil you know, than the Devil you don't know" eh..

Where would the world be if we lived to this?

There would be no leap in quantum physics, no deep space exploration, no treatment for serious illnesses..

Nothing...

I was explaining how the metaphor works to a low-information voter; I was not endorsing every possible application of that idiom.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on March 15, 2016, 08:21:58 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 15, 2016, 08:04:42 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on March 14, 2016, 09:27:37 PM
Quote from: TomT on March 14, 2016, 08:15:30 PM
^ The devil metaphor means that it is better to continue with something that is familiar, although not ideal, than something that is less-well known and possibly much worse.

A case of "Better the devil you know, than the Devil you don't know" eh..

Where would the world be if we lived to this?

There would be no leap in quantum physics, no deep space exploration, no treatment for serious illnesses..

Nothing...

I was explaining how the metaphor works to a low-information voter; I was not endorsing every possible application of that idiom.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 08:26:48 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 15, 2016, 05:03:29 AM

Arrived at my poll location at 6:40am - out by 7:15am.

Kasich the clear choice . . . . . . . . . .

Ohio will stop the Trump momentum dead in its tracks.

No first ballot convention - no President Trump.

I see. So now you admit that he can and will beat Hillary? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 08:38:49 AM

Hackers vow to take Trump down (it didn't work before, will it work this time? I doubt it)

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/optrump-donald-trump-faces-total-war-from-anonymous-cyberattacks-on-april-fools-day/ar-BBqt4Md?li=BBnbfcL

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 15, 2016, 09:36:22 AM

The similarities between the subjects of this video and some of our members are very striking.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-obama-hecklers_us_56e74fb9e4b0b25c91830ed0

It's a pity that Trump can't be put on moderation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 15, 2016, 10:39:48 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 15, 2016, 09:36:22 AM

The similarities between the subjects of this video and some of our members are very striking.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-obama-hecklers_us_56e74fb9e4b0b25c91830ed0

It's a pity that Trump can't be put on moderation.

Tom, an angry guy recently rushed the stage to get at Trump and had to be knocked down and hauled off by the Secret Service. The judge at his arraignment let him go. If any one tried that with Obama they'd be heading for a Federal penitentiary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 15, 2016, 10:40:52 AM

Pathetic how little passion Hillary Clinton's supporters have.

Not a valid youtube URL

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 15, 2016, 10:48:14 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 15, 2016, 10:39:48 AM

Tom, an angry guy recently rushed the stage to get at Trump and had to be knocked down and hauled off by the Secret Service. The judge at his arraignment let him go. If any one tried that with Obama they'd be heading for a Federal penitentiary.

In what universe is attacking a standing president the same as attacking a primary candidate?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 15, 2016, 11:20:42 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 15, 2016, 10:48:14 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 15, 2016, 10:39:48 AM
Tom, an angry guy recently rushed the stage to get at Trump and had to be knocked down and hauled off by the Secret Service. The judge at his arraignment let him go. If any one tried that with Obama they'd be heading for a Federal penitentiary.

In what universe is attacking a standing president the same as attacking a primary candidate?

Obama talks sweet but he destroys people. He brags about using predator drones and says he's good at killing people. He sicks the IRS on his opponents. Trump's a pus$y cat in comparison. Of course in the double standard universe we are in I would much rather pis$ off Trump than Hillary or Obama.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 15, 2016, 11:21:37 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 08:26:48 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 15, 2016, 05:03:29 AM
Arrived at my poll location at 6:40am - out by 7:15am.

Kasich the clear choice . . . . . . . . . .

Ohio will stop the Trump momentum dead in its tracks.

No first ballot convention - no President Trump.

I see. So now you admit that he can and will beat Hillary? :laugh:

Where did I imply that? Do you read english?

Oh by the way, there were long lines at the Republican table and only about half-dozen at the Democrat table. Looks like the dead guys aren't voting Democrat this year thanks to the new Voter ID laws passed in Ohio last year.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 15, 2016, 11:48:20 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 15, 2016, 11:21:37 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 08:26:48 AM
Quote from: shakespear on March 15, 2016, 05:03:29 AM
Arrived at my poll location at 6:40am - out by 7:15am.

Kasich the clear choice . . . . . . . . . .

Ohio will stop the Trump momentum dead in its tracks.

No first ballot convention - no President Trump.

I see. So now you admit that he can and will beat Hillary? :laugh:

Where did I imply that? Do you read english?

Oh by the way, there were long lines at the Republican table and only about half-dozen at the Democrat table. Looks like the dead guys aren't voting Democrat this year thanks to the new Voter ID laws passed in Ohio last year.

Not much enthusiasm for Hillary out there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on March 15, 2016, 11:49:42 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 13, 2016, 01:24:47 PM

Big money being spent by GOP establishment Super PAC's in an attempt to derail Trump ahead of the March 15th primary, especially in Florida.

There is a certain irony that the voting today is held on the Ides of March.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 15, 2016, 01:44:39 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on March 15, 2016, 11:49:42 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 13, 2016, 01:24:47 PM
Big money being spent by GOP establishment Super PAC's in an attempt to derail Trump ahead of the March 15th primary, especially in Florida.

There is a certain irony that the voting today is held on the Ides of March.

Would you believe it that my Russian ex-wife arrived to America on March 15th exactly 13 years ago? Serious!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 03:25:05 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on March 15, 2016, 11:49:42 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 13, 2016, 01:24:47 PM
Big money being spent by GOP establishment Super PAC's in an attempt to derail Trump ahead of the March 15th primary, especially in Florida.

There is a certain irony that the voting today is held on the Ides of March.

What do you see as the irony? The establishment wanting to do Trump in? I think in the end he will have the last laugh.

"On the fourth anniversary of Caesar's death in 40 BC, after achieving a victory at the siege of Perugia, Octavian executed 300 senators and knights who had fought against him under Lucius Antonius, the brother of Mark Antony.[25] The executions were one of a series of actions taken by Octavian to avenge Caesar's death. Suetonius and the historian Cassius Dio characterised the slaughter as a religious sacrifice,[26][27] noting that it occurred on the Ides of March at the new altar to the deified Julius."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ides_of_March

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 04:43:04 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 15, 2016, 09:36:22 AM

The similarities between the subjects of this video and some of our members are very striking.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-obama-hecklers_us_56e74fb9e4b0b25c91830ed0

It's a pity that Trump can't be put on moderation.

The way I see it, there's Obama being subservient to our enemies. And there's Trump, putting them in their place. This is also how many Americans see it as well. I'll take Trumps way of doing it every time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 15, 2016, 04:46:28 PM

Decision now clear in Ohio.

Kasich beats Trump in Ohio

Years from now, history will show that Republicans in the Buckeye State took the lead and first steps to insure that the most unqualified person to ever seek the office of President of the United States did not see the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 04:50:30 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 15, 2016, 11:21:37 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 08:26:48 AM
Quote from: shakespear on March 15, 2016, 05:03:29 AM
Arrived at my poll location at 6:40am - out by 7:15am.

Kasich the clear choice . . . . . . . . . .

Ohio will stop the Trump momentum dead in its tracks.

No first ballot convention - no President Trump.

I see. So now you admit that he can and will beat Hillary? :laugh:

Where did I imply that? Do you read english?

You did write President Trump, indicating to me that he not only wins the nomination, he wins the Presidency.

And BTW, English should be capitalized.

Don't count your chickens before the hatch either. Even if Kasich wins Ohio, it's far too soon to claim that there will be a brokered convention. I see Trump building on his momentum and winning the necessary delegates between now and then.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 04:51:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 15, 2016, 04:46:28 PM

Decision now clear in Ohio.

Kasich beats Trump in Ohio

Years from now, history will show that Republicans in the Buckeye State took the lead and first steps to insure that the most unqualified person to ever seek the office of President of the United States did not see the White House.

Keep dreaming, bud. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 15, 2016, 04:57:57 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 04:50:30 PM

You did write President Trump, indicating to me that he not only wins the nomination, he wins the Presidency.

You failed to mention the word "NO" which I clearly used before the word "President"

Brokered Convention baby - virtually guaranteed thanks to Ohio!

Say "bye-bye" to your boy. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 05:00:19 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 15, 2016, 04:57:57 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 04:50:30 PM
You did write President Trump, indicating to me that he not only wins the nomination, he wins the Presidency.

You failed to mention the word "NO" which I clearly used before the word "President"

Brokered Convention baby - virtually guaranteed thanks to Ohio!

Say "bye-bye" to your boy. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

You're still delusional. But I don't blame you.... :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 15, 2016, 05:02:37 PM

Trump easily won Florida!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 05:03:33 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 15, 2016, 04:46:28 PM

Decision now clear in Ohio.

Kasich beats Trump in Ohio

Years from now, history will show that Republicans in the Buckeye State took the lead and first steps to insure that the most unqualified person to ever seek the office of President of the United States did not see the White House.

Only 2 or 3% of the votes were in as you wrote this. You're definitely jumping the gun. Meanwhile Trump has decisively WON Florida. Bye Bye little Marco. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 05:08:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 15, 2016, 04:57:57 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 04:50:30 PM
You did write President Trump, indicating to me that he not only wins the nomination, he wins the Presidency.

You failed to mention the word "NO" which I clearly used before the word "President"

Brokered Convention baby - virtually guaranteed thanks to Ohio!

Say "bye-bye" to your boy. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Sorry bud, it just isn't your year. If there is a brokered convention, look for the establishment to choose Trump over radical right-wing Ted Cruz. In other words, look for the deal to be Trump as President, and your boy Kasich as VP. Too bad the establishment didn't really think it out as far as the implications of slowing Trump down. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 15, 2016, 05:23:05 PM

Edit

Rubio suspended his campaign for president.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 15, 2016, 05:41:07 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 15, 2016, 10:48:14 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 15, 2016, 10:39:48 AM
Tom, an angry guy recently rushed the stage to get at Trump and had to be knocked down and hauled off by the Secret Service. The judge at his arraignment let him go. If any one tried that with Obama they'd be heading for a Federal penitentiary.

In what universe is attacking a standing president the same as attacking a primary candidate?

Perhaps I am mistaken, but I don't see anything under the law that I read, that distinguishes between 1 person or another, if they are both under SS protection. And both Obama and Trump are under Secret Service protection.

Of course, researching a subject is harder to do, that toss off presumed-trenchant one-liners.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 05:43:54 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on March 15, 2016, 05:23:05 PM

Edit

Rubio suspended his campaign for president.

One of Rubio's officials has already instructed his voters to support Ted Cruz. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 15, 2016, 06:54:59 PM

Looking to be a good night for Trump, possibly winning 4 out of 5 and having well over a 200 delegate lead

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 15, 2016, 07:05:06 PM

Trump loses in Ohio but wins Florida in a walk. Wins Illinois. Wins NC.

What's the GOP going to do? Looks like they're going to say that all delegates are free to vote any way they want. Then what? Bring Mitt Romney, who they rejected last year and told to get lost, out from the cold and hope he can build a following at the convention? Trump will create havoc.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 15, 2016, 07:19:26 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 15, 2016, 07:05:06 PM

What's the GOP going to do? Looks like they're going to say that all delegates are free to vote any way they want.

Right about now the RNC is wishing it had as many Super Delegates as the Dems do.....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 15, 2016, 07:37:35 PM

Will the GOP once more:

-- conserve nothing

-- snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

-- while declaring their own moral superiority from their cuck stool, as they watch their hotwife electorate get banged by a Democrat butch with a strapon?

Maybe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 15, 2016, 08:02:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 15, 2016, 04:57:57 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 04:50:30 PM
You did write President Trump, indicating to me that he not only wins the nomination, he wins the Presidency.
You failed to mention the word "NO" which I clearly used before the word "President"

There is something seriously wrong with that boy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 08:25:38 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 15, 2016, 07:19:26 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 15, 2016, 07:05:06 PM
What's the GOP going to do? Looks like they're going to say that all delegates are free to vote any way they want.

Right about now the RNC is wishing it had as many Super Delegates as the Dems do.....

The $64,000 question is, are they going to back Ted Cruz, or Donald Trump? :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 08:41:50 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 15, 2016, 07:37:35 PM

Will the GOP once more:

-- conserve nothing

-- snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

-- while declaring their own moral superiority from their cuck stool, as they watch their hotwife electorate get banged by a Democrat butch with a strapon?

Maybe.

After reading the bloviating of the likes of Shakespear, it's clear that certain "establishment" types would rather support another loser like Romney, then a clear winner like Trump. I've never seen a party or a group of people so determined to commit political suicide. Truly bizarre, and this after Donald expands the party.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 15, 2016, 08:55:51 PM

Some top GOP establishment types are clutching at straws. Top GOP insiders are calling a closed door meeting for Thursday to devise a plan to organise a 3rd party run president if Trump is the GOP nominee.

The organizers of the meeting include Bill Wichterman, who was President George W. Bush’s liaison to the conservative movement; Bob Fischer, a South Dakota businessman and longtime conservative convener; and Erick Erickson, the outspoken Trump opponent and conservative activist who founded RedState.com.

No 3rd party candidate has ever come close to winning a recent presidential election. The only thing running a 3rd party conservative will do is guarantee a Democrat victory.

The other question is who's going to be the candidate? It will have to be a conservative who is not in office. Can't see Jeb Bush running. Or Rubio. Maybe Romney he still wants to be president, but in this case it's guaranteed he'll lose again.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/top-conservatives-gather-to-plot-third-party-run-against-trump-220786

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on March 15, 2016, 09:15:55 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 15, 2016, 08:55:51 PM

Some top GOP establishment types are clutching at straws. Top GOP insiders are calling a closed door meeting for Thursday to devise a plan to organise a 3rd party run president if Trump is the GOP nominee.

The organizers of the meeting include Bill Wichterman, who was President George W. Bush’s liaison to the conservative movement; Bob Fischer, a South Dakota businessman and longtime conservative convener; and Erick Erickson, the outspoken Trump opponent and conservative activist who founded RedState.com.

No 3rd party candidate has ever come close to winning a recent presidential election. The only thing running a 3rd party conservative will do is guarantee a Democrat victory.

The other question is who's going to be the candidate? It will have to be a conservative who is not in office. Can't see Jeb Bush running. Or Rubio. Maybe Romney he still wants to be president, but in this case it's guaranteed he'll lose again.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/top-conservatives-gather-to-plot-third-party-run-against-trump-220786

And you try telling everyone that there is no corruption in the US..

Just planning such a strategy to waylay a person who is not liked by the US Oligarchs from trying to become the next president is corrupt..

Talk about :censored: ing corruption in Russia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 09:44:49 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 15, 2016, 08:55:51 PM

Some top GOP establishment types are clutching at straws. Top GOP insiders are calling a closed door meeting for Thursday to devise a plan to organise a 3rd party run president if Trump is the GOP nominee.

The organizers of the meeting include Bill Wichterman, who was President George W. Bush’s liaison to the conservative movement; Bob Fischer, a South Dakota businessman and longtime conservative convener; and Erick Erickson, the outspoken Trump opponent and conservative activist who founded RedState.com.

No 3rd party candidate has ever come close to winning a recent presidential election. The only thing running a 3rd party conservative will do is guarantee a Democrat victory.

The other question is who's going to be the candidate? It will have to be a conservative who is not in office. Can't see Jeb Bush running. Or Rubio. Maybe Romney he still wants to be president, but in this case it's guaranteed he'll lose again.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/top-conservatives-gather-to-plot-third-party-run-against-trump-220786

Any attempt at a contested convention is insane, per Newt Gingrich.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/271929-gingrich-gop-would-have-a-civil-war-if-establishment-tried-to-steal

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 15, 2016, 10:05:28 PM

Here is what the former Republican leader of the House of Representatives thinks of Shakespear's desperate hope.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-16%20at%208.35.27%20AM_zpsdjns51xm.png)

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/15/exclusive-newt-gingrich-if-trump-wins-big-in-florida-they-wont-be-able-to-stop-him/

"“If Trump gets big numbers in Florida, you’re not going to be able to stop him. You’ll just tear the party apart,” he said.

“If Trump wins Florida by the margin anticipated, then [Sen. Marco] Rubio could stay in just to affect the numbers, but he won’t be a serious candidate anymore,” Gingrich said.

Gingrich is watching Florida closely, but he’s also looking at Ohio, where his former House Budget chairman John Kasich is looking to get a win to keep himself alive going into the convention, amid pressure from Trump and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97%
.

“If Kasich wins Ohio, he could certainly stay in and be part of a potential negotiating block,” Gingrich said. “But in five Ohio counties, 20 percent of the voters are people who voted in the Democratic primary in the past. That is very, very good for Trump.”

Gingrich threw cold water all over the idea of a brokered convention, which Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol has been plotting. If no candidate gets 50 percent of the delegates on the first ballot, then on the second ballot the pledged delegates can become “un-pledged” and support whomever the party bosses tell them to support.

“It’s childish nonsense,” Gingrich said. “There are two potential presidential nominees. One is named Donald. One is named Ted. The idea that some clever Washington intellectual or power broker — put quote marks around ‘power broker’— can step into an election in which millions have voted and magically change the trajectory of history? It’s goofy. There’s two players standing.”

Gingrich speculated that Trump and Cruz might actually form an alliance, similar to how they did in the early days of the campaign, in order to prevent a brokered convention at the last minute.

“If Trump is at 45 percent does he negotiate with Cruz?”

“They will band together and have 85 percent of the delegates between them,” Gingrich said. “Both of these guys are committed to breaking up the old order.”

“How is somebody who’s never run going to stand up on national television and on social media [as the brokered candidate] and not get run out of town?” Gingrich said, referring to a potential Mitt Romney, who could walk onstage at the convention after a backroom deal.

Gingrich’s statement to this reporter in December that “the country is in rebellion” and that Trump can kick down the doors — which was recently cited by Trump-supporter Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)80%
at the National Press Club — went viral and helped to cement Trump’s position as a formidable Republican candidate ahead of the Iowa caucus.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 15, 2016, 10:10:26 PM

It looks like Trump just won Missouri. This was a very close race. The difference between Trump and Cruz was less than 2000 votes. This was a really big night for Trump. He won everything except Ohio.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 10:18:15 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on March 15, 2016, 10:10:26 PM

It looks like Trump just won Missouri. This was a very close race. The difference between Trump and Cruz was less than 2000 votes. This was a really big night for Trump. He won everything except Ohio.

Yeah, but Shakespear and a few other "establishment" loons are still having a wet dream of a brokered convention. :dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 15, 2016, 10:21:14 PM

Rubio said:

“In 2010 the Tea Party wave carried me and others into office because not enough was happening and that Tea Party wave gave Republicans a majority in the House. But nothing changes. In 2014 those same voters gave Republicans a majority in the Senate and still nothing changed. And I blame some of that on the conservative movement.”

Exit polls in Florida showed Republicans are furious and showed it with their vote.

Trump won every demographic and 60% said they felt betrayed by the Republican party.

“Look people are angry and people are very frustrated and it really began in 2008 with this horrifying downturn.”

Suddenly, a protester yelled, “Trump for President!” Rubio responded, “Don’t worry he won’t get beat up at our event.”

“Even at his concession speech, Rubio couldn’t escape the anger and Trump’s reach.

“America is in the middle of a real political storm, a real tsunami, and we should have seen this coming. People are angry and people are very frustrated.”
====================================================================================

I'd hate to be the "power broker" that tried to get in the way of this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 15, 2016, 10:43:20 PM

If, as Gingrich says, Trump is now unstoppable, it's time to talk about Trump's VP. Won't be Cruz, because everyone hates Cruz. Won't be Rubio because Trump doesn't need Rubio to win Florida. John Kasich might be a possibility but I don't think he particularly likes Trump.

Rudy Giuliani is one of Trump's advisors. Ben Carson and Chris Christie both endorsed Trump and may be willing to take the #2 spot. Christie's still young and 4/8 years as VP may be what's needed to make him more presidential material. However, can he take Trump for 4/8 years?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 15, 2016, 11:19:43 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 15, 2016, 10:43:20 PM

If, as Gingrich says, Trump is now unstoppable, it's time to talk about Trump's VP. Won't be Cruz, because everyone hates Cruz. Won't be Rubio because Trump doesn't need Rubio to win Florida. John Kasich might be a possibility but I don't think he particularly likes Trump.

Rudy Giuliani is one of Trump's advisors. Ben Carson and Chris Christie both endorsed Trump and may be willing to take the #2 spot. Christie's still young and 4/8 years as VP may be what's needed to make him more presidential material. However, can he take Trump for 4/8 years?

I think Carson has a good shot at it. Carson doesn't strike me as someone who would be corrupted by the system as is Giuliani and Christie are. In other words Trump supporters woulds trust him more.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 15, 2016, 11:34:20 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 09:44:49 PM

Any attempt at a contested convention is insane, per Newt Gingrich.

As pointed out by me ages ago.

There are limits on how far one can mislead the population.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 16, 2016, 12:19:08 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 15, 2016, 11:34:20 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 09:44:49 PM

Any attempt at a contested convention is insane, per Newt Gingrich.

As pointed out by me ages ago.

There are limits on how far one can mislead the population.

So what then will the billionaire and trillionaire class do to keep their scheme going? Oh yes, Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 07:29:02 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 05:03:33 PM

Only 2 or 3% of the votes were in as you wrote this. You're definitely jumping the gun.

Noticed that did ya?

Haven't you figured out I know people who know more than the press?

Now virtually certain no candidate will get 1237.

Trump WILL NOT come out of Cleveland with the nomination.

Republican Party would rather nominate an "acceptable" qualified candidate and lose the general election than nominate such a horribly unqualified candidate like Trump. Take it to the bank.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 16, 2016, 08:37:20 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 07:29:02 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 05:03:33 PM
Only 2 or 3% of the votes were in as you wrote this. You're definitely jumping the gun.

Noticed that did ya?

Haven't you figured out I know people who know more than the press?

Now virtually certain no candidate will get 1237.

Trump WILL NOT come out of Cleveland with the nomination.

Republican Party would rather nominate an "acceptable" qualified candidate and lose the general election than nominate such a horribly unqualified candidate like Trump. Take it to the bank.

I think my version was more evocative...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 16, 2016, 08:45:41 AM

Looks like Paul Ryan is to be the choice of the Republicans.
Have to say he is a better choice than what they have to offer at the moment.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 16, 2016, 08:57:49 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on March 16, 2016, 08:45:41 AM

Looks like Paul Ryan is to be the choice of the Republicans.
Have to say he is a better choice than what they have to offer at the moment.

He is saying no, but could flip-flop (is that what you want from a president, a flip-flopper?)

Don't forget that Trump prides himself on being a deal maker. If those numbers don't work out to his advantage then I bet that there will be a Trump/Cruz 'deal'. One does not have to like one's business partners, just be able to deal with them.

If such a thing were to come up it'd not arise until such time as Trump can't make the numbers. For Cruz, assuming that he does not get enough votes (and he won't) this would be the safest secondary route to the Oval Office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 09:01:35 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 07:29:02 AM

Republican Party would rather nominate an "acceptable" qualified candidate and lose the general election than nominate such a horribly unqualified candidate like Trump. Take it to the bank.

You no longer represent the Republican party. Trump will be the nominee, and I hope that once he's the President he looks into taking legal action against you and your bunch of criminals. I've never seen someone remain in denial so long as you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 09:09:44 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 16, 2016, 08:57:49 AM

He is saying no, but could flip-flop (is that what you want from a president, a flip-flopper?)

He said no to being Speaker Of the House at first as well . . . . . . .

;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 09:11:31 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 09:01:35 AM

You no longer represent the Republican party. Trump will be the nominee, and I hope that once he's the President he looks into taking legal action against you and your bunch of criminals.

What do suggest? A death camp like they used in Nazi Germany for political opposition?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 09:23:32 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 09:11:31 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 09:01:35 AM
You no longer represent the Republican party. Trump will be the nominee, and I hope that once he's the President he looks into taking legal action against you and your bunch of criminals.
What do suggest? A death camp like they used in Nazi Germany for political opposition?

Nice try bud. You're the one who is in a group of corrupt persons attempting to circumvent the will of the people through back room deals. Consequently it's you and your cohorts who are behaving like Nazi's.

No, if the law allows for a 6 month prison term for attempting to defraud an election and the will of the people, that would do.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 16, 2016, 09:25:53 AM

Does the Republican Party not have a duty to its members to make its best efforts to win elections in which it takes part?

I'd bet some imaginary Internet dollars that if such a scandal were to take place that there'd be a legal case based upon a similar point.

For a party to choose to sabotage its election chances by intentionally selecting a nominee who is less popular than the existing candidate leader would seem to be a very foolish thing to do and certainly smacks of unthinking desperation. Both Cruz and Trump are right about this.

The suggestion means that the Republican Party would have stepped outside of the democratic process, actively choosing to ignore the mandate set by its supporters and making clear that the entire election process is a sham.

(And yes, Shakespear, did you not notice my point about being a flip-flopper?)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 16, 2016, 09:31:34 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 09:11:31 AM

What do suggest? A death camp like they used in Nazi Germany for political opposition?

I believe that he would be happy with deportation, internment camps or executions, because the apple doesn't fall far from the Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 09:31:54 AM

Trump will not attend final March 21st debate, says there could be riots if he does not get the nomination.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/03/16/trump-gop-risks-trouble-if-denied-nom/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 09:33:29 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 16, 2016, 09:25:53 AM

Does the Republican Party not have a duty to its members to make its best efforts to win elections in which it takes part?

Andrewfi, that's exactly what they're doing by keeping Trump off the ballot.

He will lose to Clinton by 20 points.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 09:34:38 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 09:31:54 AM

Trump will not attend final March 21st debate, says there could be riots if he does not get the nomination.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/03/16/trump-gop-risks-trouble-if-denied-nom/

Bwhahahaha

More likely because he knows Cruz will "fillet" him in a one-on-one debate

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 16, 2016, 09:36:40 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 09:33:29 AM

He will lose to Clinton by 20 points.

I think that you underestimate the percentage of low-information voters. Election 2008 was a bloody rout and McCain/Palin only lost by seven points. I'm leaning more toward something in the vicinity of four points, like in election 2012.

The only way that Trump could possibly lose by twenty would be if Anteros was his running mate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 09:38:36 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 16, 2016, 09:31:34 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 09:11:31 AM
What do suggest? A death camp like they used in Nazi Germany for political opposition?
I believe that he would be happy with deportation, internment camps or executions, because the apple doesn't fall far from the Trump.

You already failed with this post once before, yet I notice that you have attempted to re-word it (like a weasel).

Quote from: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 03:38:06 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 14, 2016, 02:38:06 PM
Quote from: Anteros on March 14, 2016, 12:41:20 PM
And don't let me rain on your "I hate America parade" either.

Trump and his supporters won't be happy until all intelligent, educated people are deported, put in internment camps or executed.

Are you illiterate? Can you read? Trump is a graduate of the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. Is he going to deport himself? Is he going to put himself in an internment camp? Is he going to volunteer to be executed?

Talk about histrionics. You are the ~~king~~ queen of histrionics. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 09:41:18 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 09:33:29 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 16, 2016, 09:25:53 AM
Does the Republican Party not have a duty to its members to make its best efforts to win elections in which it takes part?

Andrewfi, that's exactly what they're doing by keeping Trump off the ballot.

He will lose to Clinton by 20 points.

More foolish crystal ball predictions by Shakespear. Do you also have a crystal ball for the stock market?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 09:42:39 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 09:34:38 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 09:31:54 AM
Trump will not attend final March 21st debate, says there could be riots if he does not get the nomination.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/03/16/trump-gop-risks-trouble-if-denied-nom/

Bwhahahaha

More likely because he knows Cruz will "fillet" him in a one-on-one debate

No, more likely because he is already the nominee. Get used to it. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 09:45:19 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 16, 2016, 08:37:20 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 07:29:02 AM
Quote from: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 05:03:33 PM
Only 2 or 3% of the votes were in as you wrote this. You're definitely jumping the gun.

Noticed that did ya?

Haven't you figured out I know people who know more than the press?

Now virtually certain no candidate will get 1237.

Trump WILL NOT come out of Cleveland with the nomination.

Republican Party would rather nominate an "acceptable" qualified candidate and lose the general election than nominate such a horribly unqualified candidate like Trump. Take it to the bank.

I think my version was more evocative...

It was pretty damn good.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 09:49:28 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 16, 2016, 09:36:40 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 09:33:29 AM
He will lose to Clinton by 20 points.

I think that you underestimate the percentage of low-information voters. Election 2008 was a bloody rout and McCain/Palin only lost by seven points. I'm leaning more toward something in the vicinity of four points, like in election 2012.

The only way that Trump could possibly lose by twenty would be if Anteros was his running mate.

LOL! I figure if you were Hillary's running mate, she might lose by twenty as well. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 10:07:04 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 09:34:38 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 09:31:54 AM
Trump will not attend final March 21st debate, says there could be riots if he does not get the nomination.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/03/16/trump-gop-risks-trouble-if-denied-nom/

Bwhahahaha

More likely because he knows Cruz will "fillet" him in a one-on-one debate

There is no debate without Trump. Kasich has already stated he will not participate without Donald. Leaving Cruz to blow hot air all by himself? :ROFL:

Fox News loses, the American people win.

quote
"11:50 a.m.

The next GOP presidential debate could be a one-man show.

Ohio Gov. John Kasich's spokesman says he won't debate without Donald Trump onstage. Trump said earlier Wednesday he won't be there.

John Weaver says, "we had hoped to contrast Gov. Kasich's positive inclusive approach to problem solving with Trump's campaign of division."

Weaver adds: "If he changes his mind, we will be there."

Trump said he's committed to another event at the same time.

If they both skip, that would leave Texas Sen. Ted Cruz with a solo performance as he tries to consolidate support as the alternative to Trump.

No word yet from Cruz or Fox News, the host of the debate."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 16, 2016, 10:09:47 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 09:11:31 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 09:01:35 AM
You no longer represent the Republican party. Trump will be the nominee, and I hope that once he's the President he looks into taking legal action against you and your bunch of criminals.

What do suggest? A death camp like they used in Nazi Germany for political opposition?

You know more than we do, shakespear; so tell us: does it rise to the level of RICO conspiracy or not?

We have Rubio, funded by a donor, making calls on behalf of Kasich telling them to vote for Kasich in Ohio.

That smacks of ... something unusual to be sure.

Same talking points about Trump showing up, across all TV channels - virtual carbon copies, despite different management, editorial angles, political perspectives. Doesn't that seem a bit "off" to an impartial observer?

If Trump gets in, and still has a bone to pick with the media, it would be trivial to use existing FCC and anti-trust legislation to break them up, wouldn't it?

Really all Trump would need to do, would be (now that 99% of cable channels are digital) to force unbundling... MSNBC and HLN at a minimum, would be defunded and out of business almost overnight, wouldn't they?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 16, 2016, 10:15:29 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 09:33:29 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 16, 2016, 09:25:53 AM
Does the Republican Party not have a duty to its members to make its best efforts to win elections in which it takes part?

Andrewfi, that's exactly what they're doing by keeping Trump off the ballot.

He will lose to Clinton by 20 points.

Of course it isn't and we (and you) KNOW you are not stupid enough to believe what you just wrote so please don't play silly buggers with us.

If the candidates chosen by the electorate are rejected by the RNC and a ringer is dropped in then there's no way that the ringer can be more popular than the chosen candidates.

A choice to ignore the wishes of the Republican voters is a clear choice to sabotage the election as well as demonstrating to the US electorate that the US democratic process is as dead as we, over in civilisation, tend to think it is.

How on earth do you think that a parachuted in, random bloke, is going to be more popular than a candidate chosen by the Republican selection process, via the 'will' of the people? Especially if that candidate were to be one who publically rejected his 'selection' at the outset of the farrago?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 10:20:58 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 16, 2016, 10:09:47 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 09:11:31 AM
Quote from: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 09:01:35 AM
You no longer represent the Republican party. Trump will be the nominee, and I hope that once he's the President he looks into taking legal action against you and your bunch of criminals.

What do suggest? A death camp like they used in Nazi Germany for political opposition?

You know more than we do, shakespear; so tell us: does it rise to the level of RICO conspiracy or not?

We have Rubio, funded by a donor, making calls on behalf of Kasich telling them to vote for Kasich in Ohio.

That smacks of ... something unusual to be sure.

Same talking points about Trump showing up, across all TV channels - virtual carbon copies, despite different management, editorial angles, political perspectives. Doesn't that seem a bit "off" to an impartial observer?

If Trump gets in, and still has a bone to pick with the media, it would be trivial to use existing FCC and anti-trust legislation to break them up, wouldn't it?

Really all Trump would need to do, would be (now that 99% of cable channels are digital) to force unbundling... MSNBC and HLN at a minimum, would be defunded and out of business almost overnight, wouldn't they?

I could live without MSNBC and I'm pretty sure most other Americans could as well. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 10:27:02 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on March 15, 2016, 09:15:55 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 15, 2016, 08:55:51 PM
Some top GOP establishment types are clutching at straws. Top GOP insiders are calling a closed door meeting for Thursday to devise a plan to organise a 3rd party run president if Trump is the GOP nominee.

The organizers of the meeting include Bill Wichterman, who was President George W. Bush’s liaison to the conservative movement; Bob Fischer, a South Dakota businessman and longtime conservative convener; and Erick Erickson, the outspoken Trump opponent and conservative activist who founded RedState.com.

No 3rd party candidate has ever come close to winning a recent presidential election. The only thing running a 3rd party conservative will do is guarantee a Democrat victory.

The other question is who's going to be the candidate? It will have to be a conservative who is not in office. Can't see Jeb Bush running. Or Rubio. Maybe Romney he still wants to be president, but in this case it's guaranteed he'll lose again.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/top-conservatives-gather-to-plot-third-party-run-against-trump-220786

And you try telling everyone that there is no corruption in the US..

Just planning such a strategy to waylay a person who is not liked by the US Oligarchs from trying to become the next president is corrupt..

Talk about :censored: ing corruption in Russia.

Who knew that a US Presidential election could be just as corrupt as a Putin election?
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 10:27:50 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 16, 2016, 10:09:47 AM

Same talking points about Trump showing up, across all TV channels - virtual carbon copies, despite different management, editorial angles, political perspectives. Doesn't that seem a bit "off" to an impartial observer?

The press is backing Trump with millions of dollars of free television coverage in the primary because he's the only possible person Hillary Clinton could beat in the General election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 10:31:23 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 10:27:50 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 16, 2016, 10:09:47 AM
Same talking points about Trump showing up, across all TV channels - virtual carbon copies, despite different management, editorial angles, political perspectives. Doesn't that seem a bit "off" to an impartial observer?

The press is backing Trump with millions of dollars of free television coverage in the primary because he's the only possible person ~~Hillary Clinton~~ who could beat Hillary Clinton in the General election.

FTFY

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 16, 2016, 10:43:38 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 10:27:50 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 16, 2016, 10:09:47 AM
Same talking points about Trump showing up, across all TV channels - virtual carbon copies, despite different management, editorial angles, political perspectives. Doesn't that seem a bit "off" to an impartial observer?

The press is backing Trump with millions of dollars of free television coverage in the primary because he's the only possible person Hillary Clinton could beat in the General election.

Are you saying that their attacks on him, are just fake attacks, meant to portray him as an outsider?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 10:52:41 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 16, 2016, 10:43:38 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 10:27:50 AM
Quote from: Slumba on March 16, 2016, 10:09:47 AM
Same talking points about Trump showing up, across all TV channels - virtual carbon copies, despite different management, editorial angles, political perspectives. Doesn't that seem a bit "off" to an impartial observer?

The press is backing Trump with millions of dollars of free television coverage in the primary because he's the only possible person Hillary Clinton could beat in the General election.

Are you saying that their attacks on him, are just fake attacks, meant to portray him as an outsider?

:ROFL:

All of their attacks fail anyways, this will just be the latest one that backfires. Estimates are that Trump got more votes after loser Romney attempted to attack him. :-*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 11:07:30 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 16, 2016, 10:43:38 AM

Are you saying that their attacks on him, are just fake attacks, meant to portray him as an outsider?

No. People pay money for those commercials.

I'm talking about "free" press coverage. Interviews, news flashes, headline reports, airing of his speeches. He received more than twice the coverage than any other candidate got in this category.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 16, 2016, 11:11:35 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 11:07:30 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 16, 2016, 10:43:38 AM
Are you saying that their attacks on him, are just fake attacks, meant to portray him as an outsider?

No. People pay money for those commercials.

I'm talking about "free" press coverage. Interviews, news flashes, headline reports, airing of his speeches. He received more than twice the coverage than any other candidate got in this category.

Trump is ratings gold, that is why he gets coverage. People want to hear Trump over Cruz/Rubio/Cat Lady Kasich etc. It's the free market at work.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 16, 2016, 12:09:45 PM

It is already clear that the Republican party is not allied to democratic principals. If it were there'd be no way that the corruption that is going on right now would be countenanced.

What is happening right now is that voters across the United States are being told that their votes in the eyes of the Republican party, are valueless.

Whether or not Trump gets the nomination I think that we are at a tipping point in respect of the way in which democracy is seen by the general public in both the USA and globally.

If the Republicans want to be seen as being democratic and as valuing the electorate they will make sure that they follow, to the letter and spirit, the laws and bylaws of the USA and Republican party.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 16, 2016, 12:17:18 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 16, 2016, 12:09:45 PM

What is happening right now is that voters across the United States are being told that their votes in the eyes of the Republican party, are valueless.

Whether or not Trump gets the nomination I think that we are at a tipping point in respect of the way in which democracy is seen by the general public in both the USA and globally.

You have it figured right. We know we've been duped.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 12:41:49 PM

Quote from: Maxx on March 16, 2016, 12:17:18 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 16, 2016, 12:09:45 PM

What is happening right now is that voters across the United States are being told that their votes in the eyes of the Republican party, are valueless.

Whether or not Trump gets the nomination I think that we are at a tipping point in respect of the way in which democracy is seen by the general public in both the USA and globally.
You have it figured right. We know we've been duped.

We haven't been duped yet. I doubt Trump or his supporters will let this happen. These people are dreaming if they think that they're going to rip us off. I see the Republican party right now just as the pilgrims saw the redcoats and King George. Taxation without representation comes to mind. Anyways it's not going to be peaceful, that's for sure.

There will be riots and mayhem. I wouldn't want to be the fool who they think they're going to choose, if Trump does not get to 1237 delegates but is a little bit short.

http://fortune.com/2016/03/16/donald-trump-nomination/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 16, 2016, 12:52:50 PM

As for screwing Trump supporters most of us are armed Veterans and Law Enforcement and easy for us to find where the screwistas live. Please do not buy into the Main Stream Cuckology Media so much:

Their Trump ceiling argument just disintegrated with last night's grand sweep and will moreso moving forward:

Showing little sign of a "ceiling", Donald Trump has only grown in support with the exit of Ben Carson and Marco Rubio's collapse

https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/03/14/trump-rises-national-support-rubio-falls-and-carso/

In the last two weeks, Republican frontrunner Donald Trump has won more delegates in primaries and caucuses, even while his opponents have launched new attacks and questions have been raised about his supporters. The week’s Economist/YouGov Poll finds Trump still at the top of GOP voters’ preference with a wider lead, while Florida Senator Marco Rubio seems most damaged by the two weeks of attacks and counter-attacks.

This is the first time Trump has garnered the support of a majority of Republican primary voters nationwide. YouGov's February 24-27 survey marked his previous high, at 44% support.

Two weeks ago, the national Economist/YouGov Poll showed Rubio and Texas Senator Ted Cruz battling for second place behind Trump, in a field which still included retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson (who has since endorsed Trump). This week, Rubio is battling Ohio Governor John Kasich for last place, with half the support Republican voters give to Cruz. He is behind both Cruz and Kasich when Republican voters are asked for their second choice. And only 19% of Republican voters would be enthusiastic about a Rubio nomination (in contrast, half would be enthusiastic if Trump were the nominee).

Rubio is the least liked of all the remaining GOP candidates. His favorable rating among Republican primary voters has dropped nine points from what it was two weeks ago; his unfavorable rating has jumped eleven points in the same period. Every other remaining contender, including Kasich, receives better ratings.

42% of Republican primary voters say they have become less favorable towards Rubio, based on what they have heard about him lately, more than say that about any of the other GOP candidates.

This poll was conducted mostly before this weekend’s series of protests and arrests at Donald Trump rallies in places like Chicago, Dayton, Ohio and Kansas City. Their full impact on opinion – if any -- can’t be measured in the poll.

Kasich’s ratings are particularly strong this week. He gained five points among Republican primary voters in favorability compared with the last Economist/YouGov Poll. Among the public overall, slightly more people like Kasich than dislike him. Those national ratings are better than those Americans give any of the other Republicans (for comparison, 61% of Americans have an unfavorable view of Trump). Kasich scores better with Democratic primary voters than any other GOP candidate (and if Democratic voters could choose the GOP nominee, Kasich would be the frontrunner).

Trump, who is the clear GOP frontrunner (74% of Republican primary voters expect him to be the nominee), still has a way to go to win over the supporters of his GOP opponents. About four in ten Republican voters don’t think Trump cares about people like them, and believe he cares more about himself than the country. A third are dubious about his plans for the economy, think he is not honest and trustworthy, and say he isn’t ready to be Commander-in-Chief.

It’s among these groups that Trump’s opponents do well, though relatively few supporters of Rubio, Cruz and Kasich say their vote is mostly a negative one, against the other candidates.

What separates Trump voters from those supporting other candidates is the importance of the issue of immigration. While Republican voters generally think the economy is the country’s most important issue, no matter whether they are for or against Trump, Trump’s supporters are nearly five times as likely as supporters of other candidates to say immigration is the issue that matters most to them. But Trump’s brashness may be more important than his issue positions. The most important reason people support Trump, chosen by both Trump supporters and opponents in the party, is that he is not politically correct.

Far fewer think it’s Trump’s immigration policy proposals.

However, one in five Republican supporters and opponents think none of the options offered explains support for Trump. As for their personal support, shaking up politics is most important for Trump voters; policy proposals and honesty matter most to supporters of the other three.

Despite Trump’s big lead, Republicans are less sure than Democrats are that they will have a nominee before the July conventions. Just 46% think that will happen, although Trump voters are much more likely to think the nomination will be wrapped up before July. But if Trump should win, whenever that happens, Republican voters, including those supporting other candidates, want the establishment to support him.

Full poll results can be found here and topline results and margin of error here.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 16, 2016, 12:53:33 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 10:20:58 AM

I could live without MSNBC and I'm pretty sure most other Americans could as well. :laugh:

I call it "PMSNBC". :chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 16, 2016, 01:30:25 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 16, 2016, 12:52:50 PM

As for screwing Trump supporters most of us are armed Veterans and Law Enforcement and easy for us to find where the screwistas live. Please do not buy into the Main Stream Cuckology Media so much:

Cufflinks I want you to pledge right now, if Trump wins:

you will take time off from your busy schedule, to help TomT pack :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 16, 2016, 01:58:48 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 12:41:49 PM

There will be riots and mayhem. I wouldn't want to be the fool who they think they're going to choose, if Trump does not get to 1237 delegates but is a little bit short.

I don't see how he doesn't get it, unless he falls short and Cruz is close to his total. If he doesn't get to 1237, he doesn't have to get it, but he is the leading vote getter. Whomever finishes second is really the only viable option in a brokered convention, and only if Trump admits defeat (i.e. Cruz is #2, but gets over the top with Rubio/Kasich's delegates).

I'm not so sure, after the first ballot, a net positive number of delegates won't defect *to* Trump....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 02:16:40 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 16, 2016, 01:58:48 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 12:41:49 PM
There will be riots and mayhem. I wouldn't want to be the fool who they think they're going to choose, if Trump does not get to 1237 delegates but is a little bit short.

I don't see how he doesn't get it, unless he falls short and Cruz is close to his total. If he doesn't get to 1237, he doesn't have to get it, but he is the leading vote getter. Whomever finishes second is really the only viable option in a brokered convention, and only if Trump admits defeat (i.e. Cruz is #2, but gets over the top with Rubio/Kasich's delegates).

I'm not so sure, after the first ballot, a net positive number of delegates won't defect *to* Trump....

B/B

You both sound like fans at a baseball game who think because their team got the most hits, they deserve to win the game. It's not like a friendly game of golf where you "give" a guy a three foot putt to finish the hole. They MAKE you putt the ball in the hole at The Masters to win. No gimmies.

The number is 1237. Most delegates are bound through the first vote but some are bound through as many as the third vote or until released by the person they're supposed to represent.

The Republican National committee is justified whatever they decide to do if 1237 isn't reached.

Trump encouraging his people to riot just as illegal as the behavior of the people in Ferguson Missouri.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 02:19:30 PM

great ad:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/03/16/watch-trump-mocks-hillarys-barking-new-instagram-video

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 03:30:59 PM

Florida Governor Rick Scott has just endorsed Trump!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 16, 2016, 03:39:15 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 03:30:59 PM

Florida Governor Rick Scott has just endorsed Trump!

That assures Trump will win Florida in the general election. Florida is one of the almost have to win states to win the general election. Plus another GOP establishment guy (at least for FL) endorsing Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 16, 2016, 03:42:52 PM

How important is Trump to ratings? Fox News has just cancelled the Utah debate because Trump said he would not attend. Fox News, CNN and others may not like it but Trump brings in viewers, and to a network viewers means ad revenue.

People must like Trump. I don't know about other people but I don't tune in a show because a person I don't like is going to be on the show. I watch because someone I like is on the show or the topic interests me.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/next-weeks-republican-debate-canceled-local-fox-affiliate-172412975.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 04:36:18 PM

Trump runs like a pussy from debate with Cruz. :ROFL:

Why? Because he has no idea what he's doing and he knows that Cruz would KILL him in a one-on-one debate. :nod:

Cruz would expose Trump for a fraud in every area of emphasis, starting with foreign affairs.

In a two or three person debate, he might have to give answers up to three minutes long. He can't just keep saying how everything is going to be fantastic and great over and over again for that long without being exposed as an idiot. He doesn't have enough knowledge to engage in a conversation on specifics for that long. :P

He's running like a coward :laugh:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/16/media/donald-trump-republican-debate-fox/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 16, 2016, 04:59:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 04:36:18 PM

Trump runs like a pussy from debate with Cruz. :ROFL:

Why? Because he has no idea what he's doing and he knows that Cruz would KILL him in a one-on-one debate. :nod:

Cruz would expose Trump for a fraud in every area of emphasis, starting with foreign affairs.

In a two or three person debate, he might have to give answers up to three minutes long. He can't just keep saying how everything is going to be fantastic and great over and over again for that long without being exposed as an idiot. He doesn't have enough knowledge to engage in a conversation on specifics for that long. :P

He's running like a coward :laugh:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/16/media/donald-trump-republican-debate-fox/

If what you say about Trump is true, he would be an idiot to debate further with Cruz Coward? not really, I would call that smart.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 05:04:52 PM

Quote from: yankee on March 16, 2016, 04:59:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 04:36:18 PM
Trump runs like a pussy from debate with Cruz. :ROFL:

Why? Because he has no idea what he's doing and he knows that Cruz would KILL him in a one-on-one debate. :nod:

Cruz would expose Trump for a fraud in every area of emphasis, starting with foreign affairs.

In a two or three person debate, he might have to give answers up to three minutes long. He can't just keep saying how everything is going to be fantastic and great over and over again for that long without being exposed as an idiot. He doesn't have enough knowledge to engage in a conversation on specifics for that long. :P

He's running like a coward :laugh:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/16/media/donald-trump-republican-debate-fox/

If what you say about Trump is true, he would be an idiot to debate further with Cruz Coward? not really, I would call that smart.

:ROFL:

Trump can hire all the debaters he needs to, once he's President. Or he can just solve problems. Unlike Cruz Trump has actually built real stuff and employed thousands of people in the process.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 16, 2016, 05:55:58 PM

"They said we wouldn't last, but then we came down the escalator, and it's been amazing. We've been at the top of the polls since June, and they said we would fade, but let me just say:
China. China is gonna learn how great we are. So great. We're gonna start winning again. Starting with Paris, and trade, and China and ISIS. We're gonna bring all that money back. So, going forward we're bringing our A-game, and I have to say it:
Nobody has ever had such vicious negative ads run against them, it added up to $40 million, and I can't understand it, nobody can. And I'm with all these tops executives, and he hit this hole in one, and then the commercial comes on and I'm saying, 'Isn't the grass beautiful?' But oh my God. They were great golfers, and it was two commercials, what a disaster.
But we need the rich in order to make the great. So we're going all the way. Amazing. We're gonna win, win, win, all the way."

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 16, 2016, 06:01:13 PM

When I come across articles like this, I have to question what exactly is the real reason Trump is running for president?
Is it really to make America great again, or just self promotion, and profit?

Donald Trump reveals simple plan to help every American earn more money

http://cnn.com-finance.news/Breaking/Trump-Reveals-Secret-To-Creating-Wealth/?cnf=cke&affid=28&s1=105124&s2=aqh_tr_01c100al1p4_mbs2VtSM0X&s3=63020420673

Is it conceivable that Donald Trump could profit from his 2016 campaign if he raised enough money and redirected it towards the companies that own his jet and makes his t-shirts?

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-conceivable-that-Donald-Trump-could-profit-from-his-2016-campaign-if-he-raised-enough-money-and-redirected-it-towards-the-companies-that-own-his-jet-and-makes-his-t-shirts

Donald Trump’s Campaign, Billed as Self-Funded,Risks Little of His Fortune

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/06/us/politics/donald-trumps-campaign-billed-as-self-funded-risks-little-of-his-fortune.html?referer=&_r=0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 16, 2016, 06:09:11 PM

During Obama's election campaigns one of the main points against Obama the GOP keep raising was his lack of real world work experience. Critics said Obama had never worked in the private sector, which was literally not true. Obama had some real world private sector work experience and even though it was minimal it turns out Obama has more private sector work experience than Ted Cruz.

According to Wikipedia after Cruz finished his law clerkships, then joined Cooper & Kirk, LLC, from 1997 to 1998. After that Cruz worked as a political appointee or politician. His career was certainly not in the private sector.

Even though Obama had little in the way of real world private sector experience it was double the length of Cruz's before Cruz moved into working for the government and being a politician.

If it was important that Romney had so much real world work private sector experience when challenging Obama why isn't it important that Cruz has lots of private sector real world work experience instead ob being mainly a government employee and politician?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 07:18:47 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 07:29:02 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 15, 2016, 05:03:33 PM
Only 2 or 3% of the votes were in as you wrote this. You're definitely jumping the gun.

Noticed that did ya?

Haven't you figured out I know people who know more than the press?

Now virtually certain no candidate will get 1237.

Trump WILL NOT come out of Cleveland with the nomination.

Republican Party would rather nominate an "acceptable" qualified candidate and lose the general election than nominate such a horribly unqualified candidate like Trump. Take it to the bank.

I just realized who you really are! A tory! If this was the American Revolution all over again, there would be Shakespear and Tom, turncoats, supporting the British! Like two-faced back-stabbing weasels! And telling us that we could never win, not with the Gold of King George behind the crown and fighting us "low information rebels"! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Take that to the bank, you two-faced treacherous traitorous tory! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 07:44:19 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 02:19:30 PM

great ad:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/03/16/watch-trump-mocks-hillarys-barking-new-instagram-video

Now that Trump is the presumptive nominee look for a lot more ads like this. Ads which will show Hillary for the fool that she really is. She doesn't know what she is in for, but this is a small slice of it. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 07:48:03 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 16, 2016, 03:39:15 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 03:30:59 PM
Florida Governor Rick Scott has just endorsed Trump!

That assures Trump will win Florida in the general election. Florida is one of the almost have to win states to win the general election. Plus another GOP establishment guy (at least for FL) endorsing Trump.

Here's a link to the article. Somebody on this forum should carefully read the part about ending Republican on Republican violence and coming together.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/03/16/florida-gov-rick-scott-endorses-donald-trump-president

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 16, 2016, 08:07:44 PM

^ Show us how smart you are and make a prediction about how many points Trump will best Hillary by in November.

For extra credit, explain the reasons for your answer (if you have any).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 16, 2016, 08:18:36 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 16, 2016, 08:07:44 PM

^ Show us how smart you are and make a prediction about how many points Trump will best Hillary by in November.
For extra credit, explain the reasons for your answer (if you have any).

Show us how athletic you are and find a new hobby. Something that you and your wife can enjoy together, besides Ballroom dancing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 16, 2016, 08:20:55 PM

Thanks for showing us how smart you are.

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 09:13:28 AM

Trump is not only going to beat Hillary, it's going to be one of the greatest landslides ever.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 16, 2016, 08:22:58 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 11, 2016, 11:48:07 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 11, 2016, 09:21:19 AM
Here is one piece of data that low-information voters are happy to ignore whilst they have been falling in love with a bloviating clown: Obama's approval rating has gone positive. It doesn't take a great deal of intelligence to understand the effect that this will have on the outcome of the election.

It is a tad more nuanced than that:

Average is 47 percent since 2009. He is currently at 50% with +- 2% margin of error. So possibly Obama is up 6% vs. the average; not sure how huge that is.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/barack-obama-approval-ratings-hit-three-year-high-220569

There is also favorable/unfavorable: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_favorableunfavorable-643.html

According to RCP, Obama's favorability ratings are continuing to rise. Do you have a theory for that?
(I can deal with nuances.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 16, 2016, 08:54:20 PM

Sorry Shakespear
From the New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/03/16/upshot/trump-cruz-kasich-republican-delegate-lead.html?_r=0

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 16, 2016, 09:11:12 PM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-17%20at%208.05.29%20AM_zpswrruuyce.png)
http://www.infowars.com/top-black-lives-matter-activist-we-will-incite-riots-everywhere-if-trump-wins/

“Dear white people if Trump wins young niggas such as myself are fully hell bent on inciting riots everywhere we go. Just so you know,” Poe tweeted today.

He followed up with another promise: “Trump wins aint no more rules fammo. We’ve been too nice as is.”

Poe is by no means a nobody, he has appeared in innumerable articles charting the rise of ‘Black Lives Matter’ and was credited with coining the phrase, “This ain’t your grandparents’ civil rights movement.”
The rapper was one of the co-founders of Hands Up United, a “social justice” organization that emerged after the death of Michael Brown that was responsible for coordinating large BLM protests in the St. Louis area.
St. Louis was hit by riots in August last year as police were forced to use tear gas to disperse demonstrators who threw bricks and bottles at officers.
The “hands up, don’t shoot!” mantra was later discredited by DNA and autopsy evidence that confirmed Michael Brown did not have his hands up when he was shot by Officer Darren Wilson.
Poe’s threat to incite riots comes on the same day as it emerged that some of the radical groups involved in shutting down Donald Trump’s rally in Chicago last week are planning a “mass civil disobedience movement” beginning next month.
Donald Trump himself also warned that any attempt by the GOP establishment to steal the nomination from him may result in civil unrest.
“I think you would have riots. I think you would have riots,” Trump told CNN’s Chris Cuomo this morning. “I think you would see problems like you’ve never seen before. I think bad things would happen. I really do.”
Trump was quickly blasted by many sectors of the media for invoking the prospect of riots, a sentiment that wasn’t seen immediately after the riots in Ferguson, Missouri, when publications like Time Magazine argued that rioting was a justifiable form of protest."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 16, 2016, 09:29:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 02:16:40 PM

You both sound like fans at a baseball game who think because their team got the most hits, they deserve to win the game. It's not like a friendly game of golf where you "give" a guy a three foot putt to finish the hole. The MAKE you putt the ball in the hole at The Masters. No gimmies.

The number is 1237.

In the GOP nomination, unlike in golf, the low score does not win.

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 02:16:40 PM

The Republican National committee is justified whatever they decide to do if 1237 isn't reached.

You make the RNC sound like Roger Goodell.....

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2016, 02:16:40 PM

Trump encouraging his people to riot just as illegal as the behavior of the people in Ferguson Missouri.

I think it's a statement of fact. Trump does best among GOP voters who feel themselves disenfranchised, e.g. working class whites. Attempt to rob them of the nominee that the most people voted for, and you will turn the GOP into the Whigs....and you will lose the election.

There are basically three ways out for the GOP, assuming Trump does not win the nomination outright.

1. Trump is so close to the total and Cruz is 150 or so back from Trump, and then Trump is, ultimately, the nominee.

2. Trump isn't particularly close, but Cruz is close to him - and Cruz would likely have won NC and MO without Rubio still in the race. Rubio and/or Kasich have enough to put Cruz over the top. If Trump doesn't come to Jesus on this scenario, the election is lost.

3. There is a nominee who is chosen as a compromise who has not been in the race until now. The only person in the GOP who could pull that off is Paul Ryan, and he has already said he won't.

I think Trump will wind up being the nominee. I'm actually more concerned about a Trump presidency than I am a Trump candidacy, b/c I think he's an opportunist and who knows what he'd really do in office? Cruz is problematic, but at least once can have some confidence in his agenda.

There actually is a path to the White House for Trump in that if he wins something like 4% more of the white vote, he could flip 8 states won by President Obama last time around. So if he pulls together enough "Reagan Democrats" and disaffected Republicans, he could win, although I think it would be Hillary's election to lose at that point, although nobody really likes her very much.

The best outcome for the GOP might be fore Trump to be the nominee and then lose. /shrug

Anyway, that's how I see it.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 16, 2016, 09:35:13 PM

Quote from: Maxx on March 16, 2016, 09:11:12 PM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-17%20at%208.05.29%20AM_zpswrruuyce.png)
http://www.infowars.com/top-black-lives-matter-activist-we-will-incite-riots-everywhere-if-trump-wins/

“Dear white people if Trump wins young niggas such as myself are fully hell bent on inciting riots everywhere we go. Just so you know,” Poe tweeted today.

He followed up with another promise: “Trump wins aint no more rules fammo. We’ve been too nice as is.”

Poe is by no means a nobody, he has appeared in innumerable articles charting the rise of ‘Black Lives Matter’ and was credited with coining the phrase, “This ain’t your grandparents’ civil rights movement.”
The rapper was one of the co-founders of Hands Up United, a “social justice” organization that emerged after the death of Michael Brown that was responsible for coordinating large BLM protests in the St. Louis area.
St. Louis was hit by riots in August last year as police were forced to use tear gas to disperse demonstrators who threw bricks and bottles at officers.
The “hands up, don’t shoot!” mantra was later discredited by DNA and autopsy evidence that confirmed Michael Brown did not have his hands up when he was shot by Officer Darren Wilson.
Poe’s threat to incite riots comes on the same day as it emerged that some of the radical groups involved in shutting down Donald Trump’s rally in Chicago last week are planning a “mass civil disobedience movement” beginning next month.
Donald Trump himself also warned that any attempt by the GOP establishment to steal the nomination from him may result in civil unrest.
“I think you would have riots. I think you would have riots,” Trump told CNN’s Chris Cuomo this morning. “I think you would see problems like you’ve never seen before. I think bad things would happen. I really do.”
Trump was quickly blasted by many sectors of the media for invoking the prospect of riots, a sentiment that wasn’t seen immediately after the riots in Ferguson, Missouri, when publications like Time Magazine argued that rioting was a justifiable form of protest."

I would guess gun and ammo sales are spiking in areas mentioned by Poe and other BLM activists.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 16, 2016, 09:45:52 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 16, 2016, 09:35:13 PM

I would guess gun and ammo sales are spiking in areas mentioned by Poe and other BLM activists.

No worries. Homeboy will be gone quicker than the first hamburger at the cookout. The people he is trying to intimidate (a) own a shit-ton of guns and (b) don't like guys like him very much.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 17, 2016, 12:53:50 AM

Quote from: B.B. on March 16, 2016, 09:45:52 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 16, 2016, 09:35:13 PM
I would guess gun and ammo sales are spiking in areas mentioned by Poe and other BLM activists.

No worries. Homeboy will be gone quicker than the first hamburger at the cookout. The people he is trying to intimidate (a) own a shit-ton of guns and (b) don't like guys like him very much.

B/B

According to people I know who sell guns and ammo, sales are robust.

I can't find exact stats, but an estimated 10 million or more Americans go deer hunting each year.

Skills they practice as they do this (admittedly to varying degrees of competence) include tracking, surveillance, accurate shooting, stealthy movement over rough terrain.

All skills useful in the real world, should there be riots/insurrection/attempts at infiltration.

Holding your gun sideways while yelling insults and jumping up and down: not so much.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on March 17, 2016, 04:22:02 AM

I think Trump seems a pretty good guy as a President :thumbs:

Unlike all the crooks before him who murdered and stole for the corporations :rolleye0009:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on March 17, 2016, 04:59:05 AM

Some country also elected a president because he was rich....

That went bad quickly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 17, 2016, 08:40:16 AM

Quote from: Markje on March 17, 2016, 04:59:05 AM

Some country also elected a president because he was rich....

That went bad quickly.

Which country are you referring to?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on March 17, 2016, 09:08:58 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 17, 2016, 08:40:16 AM

Quote from: Markje on March 17, 2016, 04:59:05 AM
Some country also elected a president because he was rich....

That went bad quickly.

Which country are you referring to?

Ukraine.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 17, 2016, 10:19:37 AM

Quote from: Markje on March 17, 2016, 04:59:05 AM

Some country also elected a president because he was rich....

That went bad quickly.

And here I thought you meant Berlusconi..... :chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 17, 2016, 10:21:25 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 17, 2016, 12:53:50 AM

According to people I know who sell guns and ammo, sales are robust.

There's a joke about Obama being presented with a "Gun Salesman of the Year" award. :chuckle:

Quote from: Slumba on March 17, 2016, 12:53:50 AM

All skills useful in the real world, should there be riots/insurrection/attempts at infiltration.

Holding your gun sideways while yelling insults and jumping up and down: not so much.

Black Guy Explains Why Blacks Will Lose A Race War - Extended Version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnJZ2haLPCw) NSFW - Naughty words.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 17, 2016, 10:31:50 AM

Quote from: B.B. on March 17, 2016, 10:21:25 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 17, 2016, 12:53:50 AM
According to people I know who sell guns and ammo, sales are robust.

There's a joke about Obama being presented with a "Gun Salesman of the Year" award. :chuckle:

Quote from: Slumba on March 17, 2016, 12:53:50 AM
All skills useful in the real world, should there be riots/insurrection/attempts at infiltration.

Holding your gun sideways while yelling insults and jumping up and down: not so much.

Black Guy Explains Why Blacks Will Lose A Race War - Extended Version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnJZ2haLPCw) NSFW - Naughty words.

Can you tell me that you understand what he is saying?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 17, 2016, 10:39:54 AM

Quote from: yankee on March 17, 2016, 10:31:50 AM

Quote from: B.B. on March 17, 2016, 10:21:25 AM
Quote from: Slumba on March 17, 2016, 12:53:50 AM
According to people I know who sell guns and ammo, sales are robust.

There's a joke about Obama being presented with a "Gun Salesman of the Year" award. :chuckle:

Quote from: Slumba on March 17, 2016, 12:53:50 AM
All skills useful in the real world, should there be riots/insurrection/attempts at infiltration.

Holding your gun sideways while yelling insults and jumping up and down: not so much.

Black Guy Explains Why Blacks Will Lose A Race War - Extended Version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnJZ2haLPCw) NSFW - Naughty words.

Can you tell me that you understand what he is saying?

I was an athlete at university and thus have showered with more black men than most folks can say they have as friends. Thus, while homie isn't exactly using the "Received Pronunciation" I can understand him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on March 17, 2016, 02:08:09 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 17, 2016, 10:19:37 AM

Quote from: Markje on March 17, 2016, 04:59:05 AM
Some country also elected a president because he was rich....

That went bad quickly.

And here I thought you meant Berlusconi..... :chuckle:

B/B

Could've been, but the italians didn't elect him because they thought he could not be bought.

That was the overall idea of the Ukrainians and also a large part of people wanting Trump (or so I read in the news)

If Merkel was Rich, she'd be a perfect example too :-*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 17, 2016, 03:52:46 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 17, 2016, 10:21:25 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 17, 2016, 12:53:50 AM
According to people I know who sell guns and ammo, sales are robust.

There's a joke about Obama being presented with a "Gun Salesman of the Year" award. :chuckle:

Quote from: Slumba on March 17, 2016, 12:53:50 AM
All skills useful in the real world, should there be riots/insurrection/attempts at infiltration.

Holding your gun sideways while yelling insults and jumping up and down: not so much.

Black Guy Explains Why Blacks Will Lose A Race War - Extended Version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnJZ2haLPCw) NSFW - Naughty words.

Hopefully some of our UK friends will watch this video very carefully. Maybe then they will finally realize that there's plenty of "gun control" in the USA. Gotta love it when a 7 year old girl has proper training -- knows how to breathe correctly and squeezes the trigger nice and soft. Excellent video!

It might even be better without the ghetto inspired explanations, but those are good for the fools living in the ghetto who don't know what they might be getting themselves into if they keep up with the talk of wanting to assault Trump voters. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 17, 2016, 08:52:16 PM

Putin angry with Trump. Gee that did not take long. Why am I not surprised.

http://news.yahoo.com/kremlin-criticizes-trump-ad-sees-demonization-russia-141348983--politics.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 17, 2016, 09:23:38 PM

Texan77, we note that you neglected to read the article to which you linked.

The article does not say what you claim it does. Why do people like you do things like this? :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 17, 2016, 09:54:37 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on March 17, 2016, 08:52:16 PM

Putin angry with Trump. Gee that did not take long. Why am I not surprised.

http://news.yahoo.com/kremlin-criticizes-trump-ad-sees-demonization-russia-141348983--politics.html

The article gives the opinion of the Kremlin spokesperson, who states that he doesn't know whether or not Putin has seen the advertisement. I suspect if Putin had seen it, he would have laughed at it like everybody else. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 18, 2016, 08:29:13 AM

"He has no realistic policies, no advisers, no capacity to learn. His vast narcissism makes him a closed fortress. He doesn't know what he doesn't know and he's uninterested in finding out."

Apparently, more and more likely voters have been coming to this conclusion recently.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 18, 2016, 09:40:00 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 18, 2016, 08:29:13 AM

"He has no realistic policies, no advisers, no capacity to learn. His vast narcissism makes him a closed fortress. He doesn't know what he doesn't know and he's uninterested in finding out."

Apparently, more and more likely voters have been coming to this conclusion recently.

The entirely of the US news media and political establishment has been trying to push Trump's numbers down for 2 or more weeks at this point. And, this is the best they can do.

It shows how thoroughly unlikable Hillary is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: mhr7 on March 18, 2016, 10:03:53 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 18, 2016, 09:40:00 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 18, 2016, 08:29:13 AM
"He has no realistic policies, no advisers, no capacity to learn. His vast narcissism makes him a closed fortress. He doesn't know what he doesn't know and he's uninterested in finding out."

Apparently, more and more likely voters have been coming to this conclusion recently.

The entirely of the US news media and political establishment has been trying to push Trump's numbers down for 2 or more weeks at this point. And, this is the best they can do.

It shows how thoroughly unlikable Hillary is.

As unlikable as she is, she isn't completely clueless when it comes to managing governmental affairs. A Trump presidency would be disastrous.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 18, 2016, 10:06:40 AM

Slumba,

You should read the Stoic philosophers and the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius so that you can prepare yourself for a possible Clinton presidency. It might also help you come to grips with your persistent conspiracy theories.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 18, 2016, 10:20:45 AM

It seems to me that there are several attributes that a good president should have. Management skills, leadership skills, analytical capabilities, delegation skills - all those come from the top of my head, there's others.

However, there's one attribute that is not, in my opinion, necessary or even desirable in a person whose task is to represent the people of the United States at the highest possible level: president.

The best presidents of the United States have not been career politicians, they are all people who have excelled in other areas of life and then bought those excellences to bear in their presidency.

A career politician is one who knows where all the skeletons are buried, who knows the unwritten rules and both follows and accounts for them, one who knows that his livelihood is dependent upon his performance as a politician - that is in winning the approbation of his peers (not his electorate, that's the easy bit). A career politician will not rock the oat, will issue few (if any) challenges and will not seek to alter the status quo any more than is necessary for the sake of appearances.

Of course, as any successful entrepreneur knows, the root of successful business is politics - the management of disparate interests to attain the goals desired by the entrepreneur. In a nutshell, that's what politics is.

But, a career politician may have that skill, however, he is a bureaucrat, a part of the eco-system from which he springs. Winning an election of two is merely a charade that must be played out in order to advance his. or her, career.

Trump is a masterful political operator, both in terms of his businesses and also in respect of the machinery of 'formal' politics int he USA. he has masterminded many successful (and unsuccessful) campaigns, he has been involved with the election campaigns of other people but he is not a career politician. Trump is a masterful user of the tools of politics.

Most entrepreneurs, the successful ones at least, rely heavily upon advisers, hired guns. Trump no less than any others, and probably more than most. To suggest that he has no advisers and does not listen to anyone is simply factually incorrect. His benefit, to the United States, for what it is worth, is that he is the outsider who will, by accident, and on purpose, upset a load of applecarts, he will challenge and overturn shibboleths that are outmoded and harmful to the United States. Will he be the 'best' president ever? Probably not, but he is probably the best president for the Untied States right now. Right now the US requires a whole load of paradigm shifts and you don't ever get those from The Establishment!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 18, 2016, 10:26:50 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 18, 2016, 10:06:40 AM

Slumba,

You should read the Stoic philosophers and the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius so that you can prepare yourself for a possible Clinton presidency. It might also help you come to grips with your persistent conspiracy theories.

I have already read Aurelius, thanks; but still, apparently, am a low-information kind of person.

Attempts to label or ridicule or shame have no effect on me. I'm shameless.

I'll wait until Clinton actually makes it past even the first 2 debates with Trump without a mental breakdown, to start worrying.

She is already in far more fragile health than the media chooses to report; and she was never a brilliant mind, only an average mind (for a lawyer) who benefited from affirmative action, and who she married.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 18, 2016, 10:33:04 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 18, 2016, 10:26:50 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 18, 2016, 10:06:40 AM
Slumba,

You should read the Stoic philosophers and the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius so that you can prepare yourself for a possible Clinton presidency. It might also help you come to grips with your persistent conspiracy theories.

I have already read Aurelius, thanks; but still, apparently, am a low-information kind of person.

Attempts to label or ridicule or shame have no effect on me. I'm shameless.

I'll wait until Clinton actually makes it past even the first 2 debates with Trump without a mental breakdown, to start worrying.

She is already in far more fragile health than the media chooses to report; and she was never a brilliant mind, only an average mind (for a lawyer) who benefited from affirmative action, and who she married.

Bingo! But if you're a low information voter like Tom, you would be happy to vote for her simply because she's got a vagina. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 18, 2016, 10:57:04 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 18, 2016, 10:20:45 AM

The best presidents of the United States have not been career politicians, they are all people who have excelled in other areas of life and then bought those excellences to bear in their presidency.

Born into poverty, this President was faced with defeat throughout his life. He lost eight elections, twice failed in business and suffered a nervous breakdown.

1831 - Lost his job
1832 - Defeated in run for Illinois State Legislature
1833 - Failed in business
1834 - Elected to Illinois State Legislature (success)
1835 - Sweetheart died
1836 - Had nervous breakdown
1838 - Defeated in run for Illinois House Speaker
1843 - Defeated in run for nomination for U.S. Congress
1846 - Elected to Congress (success)
1848 - Lost re-nomination
1849 - Rejected for land officer position
1854 - Defeated in run for U.S. Senate
1856 - Defeated in run for nomination for Vice President
1858 - Again defeated in run for U.S. Senate
1860 - Elected President (success)

This man became the 16th President of the United States. His name was Abraham Lincoln and most consider him the greatest President in our proud national history.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 18, 2016, 11:02:48 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 18, 2016, 10:57:04 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 18, 2016, 10:20:45 AM
The best presidents of the United States have not been career politicians, they are all people who have excelled in other areas of life and then bought those excellences to bear in their presidency.

Born into poverty, this President was faced with defeat throughout his life. He lost eight elections, twice failed in business and suffered a nervous breakdown.

1831 - Lost his job
1832 - Defeated in run for Illinois State Legislature
1833 - Failed in business
1834 - Elected to Illinois State Legislature (success)
1835 - Sweetheart died
1836 - Had nervous breakdown
1838 - Defeated in run for Illinois House Speaker
1843 - Defeated in run for nomination for U.S. Congress
1846 - Elected to Congress (success)
1848 - Lost re-nomination
1849 - Rejected for land officer position
1854 - Defeated in run for U.S. Senate
1856 - Defeated in run for nomination for Vice President
1858 - Again defeated in run for U.S. Senate
1860 - Elected President (success)

This man became the 16th President of the United States. His name was Abraham Lincoln and most consider him the greatest President in our proud national history.

So consequently Trump's bankruptcies should pale in comparison, but they don't seem to, do they.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 18, 2016, 12:20:58 PM

Trump has never been bankrupt.

Shakespear, you know this stuff. You KNOW that misleading people, or telling untruths is not a good way to make a point and certainly not to win an argument, so why do it?

Lincoln makes my point pretty well, whilst he had a clear interest in political matters, he was a practicing lawyer. Lincoln's professional career ran for about 25 years from 1836 to 1861 before he became president.

The attributes that, today, we count as being responsible for his success sprang directly from his successful legal career. During his time it was not very normal to be a career politician in the mould of Obama, Cruz, Clinton(s) and others. Politics was a largely part time occupation and there were very few politicians (bearing in mind that the political class is largely unelected and is largely a professional cadre of civil servants and appointees).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 18, 2016, 03:02:25 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 18, 2016, 10:20:45 AM

It seems to me that there are several attributes that a good president should have. Management skills, leadership skills, analytical capabilities, delegation skills - all those come from the top of my head, there's others.

However, there's one attribute that is not, in my opinion, necessary or even desirable in a person whose task is to represent the people of the United States at the highest possible level: president.

The best presidents of the United States have not been career politicians, they are all people who have excelled in other areas of life and then bought those excellences to bear in their presidency.

A career politician is one who knows where all the skeletons are buried, who knows the unwritten rules and both follows and accounts for them, one who knows that his livelihood is dependent upon his performance as a politician - that is in winning the approbation of his peers (not his electorate, that's the easy bit). A career politician will not rock the oat, will issue few (if any) challenges and will not seek to alter the status quo any more than is necessary for the sake of appearances.

Of course, as any successful entrepreneur knows, the root of successful business is politics - the management of disparate interests to attain the goals desired by the entrepreneur. In a nutshell, that's what politics is.

But, a career politician may have that skill, however, he is a bureaucrat, a part of the eco-system from which he springs. Winning an election of two is merely a charade that must be played out in order to advance his. or her, career.

Trump is a masterful political operator, both in terms of his businesses and also in respect of the machinery of 'formal' politics int he USA. he has masterminded many successful (and unsuccessful) campaigns, he has been involved with the election campaigns of other people but he is not a career politician. Trump is a masterful user of the tools of politics.

Most entrepreneurs, the successful ones at least, rely heavily upon advisers, hired guns. Trump no less than any others, and probably more than most. To suggest that he has no advisers and does not listen to anyone is simply factually incorrect. His benefit, to the United States, for what it is worth, is that he is the outsider who will, by accident, and on purpose, upset a load of applecarts, he will challenge and overturn shibboleths that are outmoded and harmful to the United States. Will he be the 'best' president ever? Probably not, but he is probably the best president for the Untied States right now. Right now the US requires a whole load of paradigm shifts and you don't ever get those from The Establishment!

Since I volunteered at one of the NH Trump rallies that was in a High School gym I was able to get quite up close as I was assigned to keep the media in the media corral diplomatically backed up by the Secret Sevice team who are not allowed to interact with media - only people who may pose a threat to Trump.

So it was interesting and a bit exciting to help launch the career of our next President - basically the only man with enough brains, balls, courage and enough Phuck You money to dismatle the Soros driven Obamunist Clintonistas Corrupt Crime Syndicate and prosecute them to keep them out of the picture and preoccupied while as Andrew indicated he implements a wave of across the board Paradigm shifts that will benefit both the USA and our special alliances notably UK and Israel.

Damn either Andrew is becoming more mellow or myself even more of a Jedi master in the ancient and modern categories of wisdom - I have to agree with every word and thought that Sir Lord Andrew of the Estonian Europa frontiers has wisely shared.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 18, 2016, 03:17:54 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 18, 2016, 10:26:50 AM

I have already read Aurelius, thanks; but still, apparently, am a low-information kind of person.

Attempts to label or ridicule or shame have no effect on me. I'm shameless.

I'll wait until Clinton actually makes it past even the first 2 debates with Trump without a mental breakdown, to start worrying.

She is already in far more fragile health than the media chooses to report; and she was never a brilliant mind, only an average mind (for a lawyer) who benefited from affirmative action, and who she married.

Actually, you are more of a selective-information voter.

The truth be told, I posted the quote about the "closed fortress" because it reminded me of a real low-information voter who been "just looking" for at least half a decade, who endlessly posts deranged comments and who has learned virtually nothing about the FSU and their women, in spite of having access to experienced advisers.

Anyway, I'm still waiting for your theory about Obama's recent approval ratings.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 18, 2016, 03:28:59 PM

OBTW John Kasich just took a $200,000 Open Borders Amnesty for all illegals donation from George Hate America First Soros who also donated $13 Million to Hillary with a recent $8 Million tranche in support of the Corrupt Clintons Crime Syndicates.

IIRC there is an outstanding warrant in Moscow for Soros due to manipulating Moscow Currency and Futures markets to the detriment of the Russian People.

Perhaps you lot with Kremlin connex might want to negotiate a swap of Soros and his criminal sons for Snowden of NSA fame...

LOL NBC Nightly News indicated Mitt Romney just endorsed Ted Double Talk with snaked tongue Crudz and called "A vote for Kasich is a vote for Trumpism". Romney is a classic case of 4 year old SOUR GRAPES.

Romney is an epic loser who Sakes insisted was going to beat Obama on 2012 by large margins according to Romney's suck-up opinion pollers at that time - only to be completely wrong and badly beaten by Obama who has proceeded to destroy our military, economy and Country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 18, 2016, 03:33:37 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 18, 2016, 03:17:54 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 18, 2016, 10:26:50 AM
I have already read Aurelius, thanks; but still, apparently, am a low-information kind of person.

Attempts to label or ridicule or shame have no effect on me. I'm shameless.

I'll wait until Clinton actually makes it past even the first 2 debates with Trump without a mental breakdown, to start worrying.

She is already in far more fragile health than the media chooses to report; and she was never a brilliant mind, only an average mind (for a lawyer) who benefited from affirmative action, and who she married.

Actually, you are more of a selective-information voter.

The truth be told, I posted the quote about the "closed fortress" because it reminded me of a real low-information voter who been "just looking" for at least half a decade, who endlessly posts deranged comments and who has learned virtually nothing about the FSU and their women, in spite of having access to experienced advisers.

Anyway, I'm still waiting for your theory about Obama's recent approval ratings.

LOL I am sure these were left wing media bought and paid for PR polls rather than true scientific polls.

Google PPP polling PR firm for details how it is done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 18, 2016, 03:36:07 PM

NBC Nightly News just reported Paris and Brussels authorities only took 3 months to capture the Paris murdering ISIS mastermind Abdel Salam...

For a continent that has more public CCTV monitoring cameras that North Korea astounding it has taken so long.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 18, 2016, 03:47:04 PM

^ We don't have to quibble about which polls are biased and which are not. Check elections 2008 and 2012 on RCP; that will tell the tale.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 18, 2016, 04:08:04 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 18, 2016, 03:17:54 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 18, 2016, 10:26:50 AM
I have already read Aurelius, thanks; but still, apparently, am a low-information kind of person.

Attempts to label or ridicule or shame have no effect on me. I'm shameless.

I'll wait until Clinton actually makes it past even the first 2 debates with Trump without a mental breakdown, to start worrying.

She is already in far more fragile health than the media chooses to report; and she was never a brilliant mind, only an average mind (for a lawyer) who benefited from affirmative action, and who she married.

Anyway, I'm still waiting for your theory about Obama's recent approval ratings.

I did address that earlier - he is 3 points better than his long-term average.

Since he is always about 50% favorable, when he goes to e.g. 53% (not the real number) that represents "6% (3/50 = 6/100) better than the long term average".

I don't really consider that very significant - it's not a 10pts (20%) jump, which would be closer to what I consider "a big shift".

For all we know, Americans might be happy that gas prices are staying under $2 a gallon (1.88 where I am) and thus it is leaving a little more money in their pocket. Possibly they are looking at Trump / Hillary and thinking "at least Obama is not (whichever one they despise)".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 18, 2016, 05:05:24 PM

Interesting Article:

Forget Trump: Here's Who's Really Destroying the Republican Party
David Dayen,The Fiscal Times

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/forget-trump-heres-whos-really-101500374.html

Indeed, this implacability is more reminiscent of how Ted Cruz has operated in the Senate, with his demands to shut down the government over Obamacare in 2013. Cruz actually sees that event as his defining moment, even though it accomplished nothing. And his acolytes in the House are following this script. We’re seeing the Cruz-ification of the Republican Party, not the Trump-ification.

Trump’s cult of personality may come and go. But the Freedom Caucus phenomenon seems much more consequential. And it’s hard to figure out how Republicans will manage the fallout.

Everything old is new again...

FREEDOM ... William Wallace

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 18, 2016, 07:49:59 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 18, 2016, 04:08:04 PM

Possibly they are looking at Trump / Hillary and thinking "at least Obama is not (whichever one they despise)".

Actually, that's what I thought, especially the former.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 19, 2016, 02:53:15 AM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 19, 2016, 09:09:58 AM

Tom T -

You will absolutely love this -

Hilarious

https://www.facebook.com/conservativeminuteman/videos/1662342040657287/?fref=nf

Quote from: TomT on March 18, 2016, 10:06:40 AM

Slumba,

You should read the Stoic philosophers and the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius so that you can prepare yourself for a possible Clinton presidency. It might also help you come to grips with your persistent conspiracy theories.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 09:55:01 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 19, 2016, 09:09:58 AM

Tom T -

You will absolutely love this -

Hilarious

https://www.facebook.com/conservativeminuteman/videos/1662342040657287/?fref=nf

That was actually pretty funny! What's even more funny is that I would rather vote for a drunk guy on a sofa than for Hillary Clinton! :ROFL:

But Shakespear, you would clearly prefer to vote for Hillary. What do they call Republican turncoats? Red dog Democrats? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 09:57:11 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 19, 2016, 02:53:15 AM

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He's nearly at 50% with 3 other candidates still polling. Imagine what he could do if the Republican party would come together, be unified and support the obvious front-runner?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 09:59:19 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 18, 2016, 07:49:59 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 18, 2016, 04:08:04 PM
Possibly they are looking at Trump / Hillary and thinking "at least Obama is not (whichever one they despise)".
Actually, that's what I thought, especially the former.

See there, you answered your own question. Try doing that more often and you could pollute fewer threads. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 19, 2016, 09:59:32 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 09:55:01 AM

What do they call Republican turncoats? Red dog Democrats? :laugh:

I believe you have your terms twisted.

There is such a thing as a blue dog Democrat.

There is such a thing as a red dog Republican.

But there is no such thing as a Red dog Democrat.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 10:13:10 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 19, 2016, 09:59:32 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 09:55:01 AM
What do they call Republican turncoats? Red dog Democrats? :laugh:

I believe you have your terms twisted.

There is such a thing as a blue dog Democrat.

There is such a thing as a red dog Republican.

But there is no such thing as a Red dog Democrat.

Yes, I meant to write "red dog Republican". Too bad we might face 25 years of misery due to turncoats.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 19, 2016, 10:15:51 AM

I am leaning toward a highly educated and knowledgeable retired General for VP:

Lt. General (Ret) Mike Flynn: Why Hillary Clinton Should Suspend Her Presidential Bid
By Jason Criss Howk • 03/18/16 11:29am

http://observer.com/2016/03/lt-general-r...ntial-bid/

On the topic of presidential candidates I have also personally come out requesting that Hillary Clinton step down from running for President due to the ongoing investigation against her and her aides while she was the serving Secretary of State—for many valid reasons, I strongly believe she should step down.

Can you explain the top 5 threats you see to America?

1) Lack of US Defense readiness (includes all components of Cyber)

2) A US economy on the ropes and an emerging Chinese economy that is underestimated

3) Global & radical Islamism

4) China, Russia, and North Korea all improving their nuclear readiness while ours suffers

5) Loss of respect and confidence around the world

Are we prepared to face any of them?

We are not prepared right now, but we can be if we focus on strengthening our economy…and improving U.S. defense readiness around the world.

Hillary is an incredibly arrogant and power mad malignant corrupt wall smashed misandrist fister sister running an ongoing criminal enterprise masked as the CGI Foundation. She will do her Globalist Anti-American George Soros etc., masters' bidding which will cause the USA to become extremely weak regarding the 5 points above with increased levels of unpreparedness and a continued Saul Alinsky Ruled by Radicals agenda driven by eliminating the USA's energy competitiveness, crushing the US economy with TPP and Trans-Atlantic "Free Trade" treaties and jailing anyone who argues against Anthropogenic Climate Change. No wonder her mentor The Obamunist in Chief is visiting Cuba this weekend - on a fact-finding mission to see how they can seize power in the USA with their Globalist masters blessings for the next 100 years like the Castro Brothers in Cuba.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 19, 2016, 10:44:49 AM

Beeeyouteeful!

More Trouble for Hillary: Now NSA Gets Into the Act

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/03/18/more-trouble-for-hillary-now-nsa-gets-into-the-act/

As if Hillary Clinton isn't in enough trouble over her "homebrew" email server and other examples of her deliberate flouting of American security policies, she's now facing the wrath of the National Security Agency:

Oh-oh. Getting crossways with the NSA/CSS (the latter is the Central Security Service) is never a good idea, and an especially terrible one when you're a) the former secretary of state and b) running for president. And no Clinton scandal would be complete without an appearance by Sidney Blumenthal, Mrs. Clinton's all-purpose factotum and hatchet man. If the following is true, "Sid Vicious" is n a heap o' trouble:

Now, over two months later, I can confirm that the contents of Sid Blumenthal’s June 8, 2011 email to Hillary Clinton, sent to her personal, unclassified account, were indeed based on highly sensitive NSA information. The Agency investigated this compromise and determined that Mr. Blumenthal’s highly detailed account of Sudanese goings-on, including the retelling of high-level conversations in that country, was indeed derived from NSA intelligence.

Specifically, this information was illegally lifted from four different NSA reports, all of them classified Top Secret / Special Intelligence. Worse, at least one of those reports was issued under the GAMMA compartment, which is an NSA handling caveat that is applied to extraordinarily sensitive information (for instance, decrypted conversations between top foreign leadership, as this was). GAMMA is properly viewed as a SIGINT Special Access Program or SAP, several of which from CIA Ms. Clinton compromised in another series of her “unclassified” emails.

Currently serving NSA officials have told me they have no doubt that Mr. Blumenthal’s information came from their reports. “It’s word-for-word, verbatim copying,” one of them explained. “In one case, an entire paragraph was lifted from an NSA report” that was classified Top Secret / Special Intelligence.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on March 19, 2016, 10:51:50 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 19, 2016, 10:15:51 AM

I am leaning toward a highly educated and knowledgeable retired General for VP:

Lt. General (Ret) Mike Flynn: Why Hillary Clinton Should Suspend Her Presidential Bid
By Jason Criss Howk • 03/18/16 11:29am

http://observer.com/2016/03/lt-general-r...ntial-bid/

On the topic of presidential candidates I have also personally come out requesting that Hillary Clinton step down from running for President due to the ongoing investigation against her and her aides while she was the serving Secretary of State—for many valid reasons, I strongly believe she should step down.

Can you explain the top 5 threats you see to America?

1) Lack of US Defense readiness (includes all components of Cyber)

2) A US economy on the ropes and an emerging Chinese economy that is underestimated

3) Global & radical Islamism

4) China, Russia, and North Korea all improving their nuclear readiness while ours suffers

5) Loss of respect and confidence around the world

Are we prepared to face any of them?

We are not prepared right now, but we can be if we focus on strengthening our economy…and improving U.S. defense readiness around the world.

Hillary is an incredibly arrogant and power mad malignant corrupt wall smashed misandrist fister sister running an ongoing criminal enterprise masked as the CGI Foundation. She will do her Globalist Anti-American George Soros etc., masters' bidding which will cause the USA to become extremely weak regarding the 5 points above with increased levels of unpreparedness and a continued Saul Alinsky Ruled by Radicals agenda driven by eliminating the USA's energy competitiveness, crushing the US economy with TPP and Trans-Atlantic "Free Trade" treaties and jailing anyone who argues against Anthropogenic Climate Change. No wonder her mentor The Obamunist in Chief is visiting Cuba this weekend - on a fact-finding mission to see how they can seize power in the USA with their Globalist masters blessings for the next 100 years like the Castro Brothers in Cuba.

You have been warned..
Vote for her at your peril..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on March 19, 2016, 10:52:19 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 19, 2016, 10:44:49 AM

Beeeyouteeful!

More Trouble for Hillary: Now NSA Gets Into the Act

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/03/18/more-trouble-for-hillary-now-nsa-gets-into-the-act/

As if Hillary Clinton isn't in enough trouble over her "homebrew" email server and other examples of her deliberate flouting of American security policies, she's now facing the wrath of the National Security Agency:

Nothing will come of it...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 19, 2016, 11:06:30 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on March 19, 2016, 10:52:19 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 19, 2016, 10:44:49 AM
Beeeyouteeful!

More Trouble for Hillary: Now NSA Gets Into the Act

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/03/18/more-trouble-for-hillary-now-nsa-gets-into-the-act/

As if Hillary Clinton isn't in enough trouble over her "homebrew" email server and other examples of her deliberate flouting of American security policies, she's now facing the wrath of the National Security Agency:

Nothing will come of it...

NOTE: This is the NSA they have National Security seizure powers - where is Edward Snowden hiding from them - perhaps a good place for Hillary Clinton as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on March 19, 2016, 11:16:03 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 19, 2016, 11:06:30 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on March 19, 2016, 10:52:19 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on March 19, 2016, 10:44:49 AM
Beeeyouteeful!

More Trouble for Hillary: Now NSA Gets Into the Act

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/03/18/more-trouble-for-hillary-now-nsa-gets-into-the-act/

As if Hillary Clinton isn't in enough trouble over her "homebrew" email server and other examples of her deliberate flouting of American security policies, she's now facing the wrath of the National Security Agency:

Nothing will come of it...

NOTE: This is the NSA they have National Security seizure powers - where is Edward Snowden hiding from them - perhaps a good place for Hillary Clinton as well.

A few dollars greasing their palm will make the problem go away quietly...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 19, 2016, 11:22:36 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 19, 2016, 09:59:32 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 09:55:01 AM
What do they call Republican turncoats? Red dog Democrats? :laugh:

I believe you have your terms twisted.

There is such a thing as a blue dog Democrat.

There is such a thing as a red dog Republican.

But there is no such thing as a Red dog Democrat.

:ROFL:

When dealing with our closed fortress, it is necessary to take into consideration that many of the terms and concepts that he uses have only recently been acquired... and from dubious sources.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 19, 2016, 11:30:33 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 09:55:01 AM

... What's even more funny is that I would rather vote for a drunk guy on a sofa than for Hillary Clinton!

I believe you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 19, 2016, 11:38:49 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on March 19, 2016, 11:16:03 AM

A few dollars greasing their palm will make the problem go away quietly...

No grease will be necessary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 11:50:48 AM

Protestors in Arizona have just FAILED to stop a Donald Trump rally. They tried to shut down a freeway and strong on immigration Sherriff Joe Arpaio came to the rescue. Trump is safely on his way to his rally and will speak shortly. :party0011:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/donald-trump-joe-arpaio-sheriff-arizona-220980

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 12:05:45 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 19, 2016, 11:22:36 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 19, 2016, 09:59:32 AM
Quote from: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 09:55:01 AM
What do they call Republican turncoats? Red dog Democrats? :laugh:

I believe you have your terms twisted.

There is such a thing as a blue dog Democrat.

There is such a thing as a red dog Republican.

But there is no such thing as a Red dog Democrat.

When dealing with our closed fortress, it is necessary to take into consideration that many of the terms and concepts that he uses have only recently been acquired... and from dubious sources.

I first learned the term troll about 5 years ago when I came to this forum and became acquainted with you, and the source wasn't dubious. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 12:32:02 PM

Two weeks on the Trump train with a professional photographer.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/gallery/2016/03/two-weeks-in-trump-nation-000624?slide=0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 02:07:27 PM

This one is for a certain "wise guy" who keeps blathering on about polls and claiming that Trump cannot beat Hillary Clinton (no, I'm not referring to Shakespear even though I could be).

Back in March, 1980, Jimmy Carter was beating Ronald Reagan by 23 points. Guess we know how that one turned out. :laugh:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/18/spring-1980-when-the-establishment-believed-ronald-reagan-would-lead-the-gop-to-certain-defeat/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 19, 2016, 02:28:24 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 11:50:48 AM

Protestors in Arizona have just FAILED to stop a Donald Trump rally. They tried to shut down a freeway and strong on immigration Sherriff Joe Arpaio came to the rescue. Trump is safely on his way to his rally and will speak shortly. :party0011:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/donald-trump-joe-arpaio-sheriff-arizona-220980

Big deal! Trump can't help but carry red-neck Arizona. The real news is in Florida.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 19, 2016, 03:19:08 PM

Many of the groups like black lives Matter, who are funding and organizing these protest against Trump, are not very popular with most voters. It is hard to say if the protest are a problem for Trump or a blessing. I had someone I know today say that if these groups will do anything to keep Trump from being president he is going to vote for him. If I were Trump I would put a big screen out side and thank the protestor for all the addition media coverage they are giving him. Then have truck come and give all protestor free drinks and hot dogs.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 03:35:45 PM

Trump to huddle with top Republicans ahead of AIPAC speech.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/19/trump-to-huddle-with-top-republicans-ahead-of-aipac-speech/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 03:39:05 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on March 19, 2016, 03:19:08 PM

Many of the groups like black lives Matter, who are funding and organizing these protest against Trump, are not very popular with most voters. It is hard to say if the protest are a problem for Trump or a blessing. I had someone I know today say that if these groups will do anything to keep Trump from being president he is going to vote for him. If I were Trump I would put a big screen out side and thank the protestor for all the addition media coverage they are giving him. Then have truck come and give all protestor free drinks and hot dogs.

Good post Texan. I'm pretty sure that for the most part these protestors, because they are not actually protestors but professional disruptors, are actually helping Trump. Trump and his supporters have become martyr's of a sort.

I would not try to give them free drinks and hot dogs though. They would probably just throw it down like the Muslim refugee's in Germany did. These kind of people never appreciate anything. Besides, some of them will get a free meal in jail. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on March 19, 2016, 04:52:14 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 02:07:27 PM

This one is for a certain "wise guy" who keeps blathering on about polls and claiming that Trump cannot beat Hillary Clinton (no, I'm not referring to Shakespear even though I could be).

Back in March, 1980, Jimmy Carter was beating Ronald Reagan by 23 points. Guess we know how that one turned out. :laugh:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/18/spring-1980-when-the-establishment-believed-ronald-reagan-would-lead-the-gop-to-certain-defeat/

The [usually] wiser bits of our media seem to predict it will be a close battle but Clinton will just pip Trump. :duh:

Trump might not be ideal, but anything has to be better than Clinton.

Curious that RT are now running anti Trump stuff (https://www.rt.com/usa/336284-trump-jihadi-terrorism-equal-risk/). They know Clinton means almost certain war with Russia. I suppose its hard when there isnt an ideal candidate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 06:51:32 PM

Quote from: Manny on March 19, 2016, 04:52:14 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 02:07:27 PM
This one is for a certain "wise guy" who keeps blathering on about polls and claiming that Trump cannot beat Hillary Clinton (no, I'm not referring to Shakespear even though I could be).

Back in March, 1980, Jimmy Carter was beating Ronald Reagan by 23 points. Guess we know how that one turned out. :laugh:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/18/spring-1980-when-the-establishment-believed-ronald-reagan-would-lead-the-gop-to-certain-defeat/

The [usually] wiser bits of our media seem to predict it will be a close battle but Clinton will just pip Trump. :duh:

Trump might not be ideal, but anything has to be better than Clinton.

Curious that RT are now running anti Trump stuff (https://www.rt.com/usa/336284-trump-jihadi-terrorism-equal-risk/). They know Clinton means almost certain war with Russia. I suppose its hard when there isnt an ideal candidate.

I read the RT article and don't see it as "anti Trump" per se. I see it more as on objective piece of journalism at this point in time.

In regards to polls it's just far too early in the process for them to be meaningful. As Trump has said he hasn't gone to work on Hillary yet. He's got to win the nomination first, and then he can roll out an anti Hillary campaign.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 19, 2016, 08:12:31 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 06:51:32 PM

In regards to polls it's just far too early in the process for them to be meaningful.

You were probably saying the same thing in 2012. The beauty of the RCP rolling average is that the sampling size is many times the size of any one poll. Not to worry, we'll be able to compare the actual results against the poll numbers soon enough.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 19, 2016, 08:55:20 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 02:07:27 PM

Back in March, 1980, Jimmy Carter was beating Ronald Reagan by 23 points. Guess we know how that one turned out.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/18/spring-1980-when-the-establishment-believed-ronald-reagan-would-lead-the-gop-to-certain-defeat/

Had you done a bit of fact-checking, you would have discovered that the numbers in your link were wrong and that early Gallup polls predicted the winner more often than not. That was nice cherry-picking though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 09:30:11 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 19, 2016, 08:12:31 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 06:51:32 PM
In regards to polls it's just far too early in the process for them to be meaningful.

You were probably saying the same thing in 2012. The beauty of the RCP rolling average is that the sampling size is many times the size of any one poll. Not to worry, we'll be able to compare the actual results against the poll numbers soon enough.

The one and only intelligent thing you've written in this thread. November 9, 2016 will you be moving to Canada after Trump wins? :laugh:

PS...Comparing the Presidential campaign of Obama and that weakling loser Romney to a potential Hillary versus Trump campaign is the ultimate exercise in futility...your specialty.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 19, 2016, 09:33:50 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 09:30:11 PM

November 9, 2016 will you be moving to Canada after Trump wins?

Probably not. Will you get treatment for your delusional disorder if Clinton wins?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 09:36:47 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 19, 2016, 09:33:50 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 09:30:11 PM
November 9, 2016 will you be moving to Canada after Trump wins?

Probably not. Will you get treatment for your delusional disorder if Clinton wins?

Go back and read my PS. Your attempt to compare the election of Obama versus Romney to H. Clinton versus D. Trump...WOW! Are you ever out of touch with reality. Speaking of disorders, when are you going back to the therapist to discuss your Obsessive Compulsive Disorder of following me from thread to thread, all these years later? :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 19, 2016, 09:42:15 PM

^ RCP has been reporting rolling averages since 2004 and they have done a good job of not only predicting the winner but in predicting the spread. Anyway, you are confusing critical thinking and fact-checking with OCD.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 09:48:29 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 19, 2016, 09:42:15 PM

^ RCP has been reporting rolling averages since 2004 and they have done a good job of not only predicting the winner but in predicting the spread. Anyway, you are confusing critical thinking and fact-checking with OCD.

And you're confusing a predictable past with a very unpredictable Donald Trump. I suggest you read this, even you might be able to glean some nuggets here.

As far as OCD goes, when you follow someone around who you think allegedly doesn't measure up -- that reflects on you, "buddy". :)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-trump-vs-clinton-would-reshape-the-electoral-map/2016/03/19/783a834c-ed35-11e5-b0fd-073d5930a7b7_story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 19, 2016, 09:52:05 PM

This is what Trump is talking about.

I seen the same thing happen with my business after the "Free Trade agreements" of the 90s, NAFTA, CAFTA and GAIT were implemented. One by one my clients went out of business replaced by manufacturing outside the U.S. So at last along comes a man who tells it like it is. The people are waking up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 19, 2016, 10:13:38 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 19, 2016, 09:33:50 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 09:30:11 PM
November 9, 2016 will you be moving to Canada after Trump wins?

Probably not. Will you get treatment for your delusional disorder if Clinton wins?

TomT, I got this question for you since we go back years to the RW-G days. Do you think the way you were raised by your parents has anything to do with your politics? The rejection by you of what seems like a stern father figure Trump and "conservatives" in general? Has this pushed you into the matriarchal end of the spectrum, Hillary? Or are you all logic and objective?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 20, 2016, 09:19:38 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 19, 2016, 10:13:38 PM

Do you think the way you were raised by your parents has anything to do with your politics?

Absolutely! I was raised to think for myself. Trump doesn't represent a stern father figure to me; he is a poster boy for ignorance, stupidity and hatred. Those qualities appeal to a certain demographic but embracing them would reduce the United States to a big redneck hamlet, not "make America great again." Of course, that would suit Anteros just fine.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 20, 2016, 09:31:20 AM

Correction:

I was mistaken that Trump will carry Arizona with ease in reply #1748; I stand corrected.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/MerillPollGeneralPR.pdf

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 20, 2016, 11:08:47 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 20, 2016, 09:19:38 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 19, 2016, 10:13:38 PM
Do you think the way you were raised by your parents has anything to do with your politics?
Absolutely! I was raised to think for myself. Trump doesn't represent a stern father figure to me; he is a poster boy for ignorance, stupidity and hatred.

It's pretty amazing that a "poster boy for ignorance, stupidity and hatred" could build a Billion dollar empire, employ thousands and build some of the most recognized and iconic properties around the World, while such an intelligent, wise and loving person as yourself could build next to nothing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 20, 2016, 11:17:23 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 20, 2016, 11:08:47 AM

It's pretty amazing that a "poster boy for ignorance, stupidity and hatred" could build a Billion dollar empire, employ thousands and build some of the most recognized and iconic properties around the World, while such an intelligent, wise and loving person as yourself could build next to nothing.

What's in your CV, other than inverted skate-boarding?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on March 20, 2016, 11:18:46 AM

US Elections joke according to Dutch Newspaper:

The USA is having elections soon for a new president, but the rest of the world sees it as an IQ test, and they're failing it badly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 20, 2016, 11:40:54 AM

^ What do you expect? You sent us the refuse from your teeming shores... like Trump's ancestors.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 20, 2016, 11:51:49 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 19, 2016, 08:12:31 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 19, 2016, 06:51:32 PM
In regards to polls it's just far too early in the process for them to be meaningful.

You were probably saying the same thing in 2012. The beauty of the RCP rolling average is that the sampling size is many times the size of any one poll. Not to worry, we'll be able to compare the actual results against the poll numbers soon enough.

You show a poll graph and say that it ended up with the right result.

Yet I look at that graph and see wide variations in the period before the election day.

If you had, midway through that graph, tried to take the slope of the graph, at various points Romney would have been strengthening and Obama declining; which would therefore have predicted (at that point in time) a Romney win. If you think about that you might see why I don't agree with some of your interpretations.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 20, 2016, 12:57:17 PM

^ I'm not the one hating on Trump, that would be you, Tom. Unless you could show similar accomplishments to Mr. Trump, then you have no business telling lies about his character.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 20, 2016, 03:38:37 PM

Slumba,

Admittedly, the running plot is messy because it was not smoothed by a rolling average. However, if you draw a best-fit horizontal line through the margin plot at the bottom of the image, you will note that the overall average closely reflects the actual vote count. It's true that if we only considered Feb-Mar-April, the final count would not have jibed so well.

Contrast that with the Gallup polls from 1980, all taken by a single polling organization. Anteros failed to note that it was the most unusual series of polls ever. He simply cherry-picked an example to support his case, without looking at Gallup polls from other elections, without bothering to verify that the information was accurate and without mentioning that the poll methodology changed in April to include Anderson.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 20, 2016, 04:46:01 PM

Let's examine the source that Anteros linked:

Quote from: Los Angeles Times

Breitbart's chairman, Steve Bannon, has turned the site "into Trump's personal Pravda," editor at large Ben Shapiro, who is based in Los Angeles, said in a statement on his resignation. "Andrew built his life and his career on one mission: fight the bullies. In my opinion, Steve Bannon is a bully, and has sold out Andrew's mission in order to back another bully, Donald Trump." Bannon couldn't be reached for comment.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 20, 2016, 05:23:22 PM

All that gibberish to try to discredit the poll which I posted, but of course if you jump through enough hoops then maybe, just maybe, polls posted by Tom might be of some use. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 20, 2016, 06:22:16 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 20, 2016, 03:38:37 PM

Slumba,

Admittedly, the running plot is messy because it was not smoothed by a rolling average. However, if you draw a best-fit horizontal line through the margin plot at the bottom of the image, you will note that the overall average closely reflects the actual vote count. It's true that if we only considered Feb-Mar-April, the final count would not have jibed so well.

And what month are we in at this point? If Trump gets to 1237 delegates on his own, or after the convention where he then (probably) will be the "certified" candidate, I promise to take the polls as being more representative of reality. After all, the polls did not have the precision to predict a win for Bernie Sanders in MI.

Right now, things are too fluid.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 20, 2016, 08:27:16 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 20, 2016, 06:22:16 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 20, 2016, 03:38:37 PM
Slumba,

Admittedly, the running plot is messy because it was not smoothed by a rolling average. However, if you draw a best-fit horizontal line through the margin plot at the bottom of the image, you will note that the overall average closely reflects the actual vote count. It's true that if we only considered Feb-Mar-April, the final count would not have jibed so well.

And what month are we in at this point? If Trump gets to 1237 delegates on his own, or after the convention where he then (probably) will be the "certified" candidate, I promise to take the polls as being more representative of reality. After all, the polls did not have the precision to predict a win for Bernie Sanders in MI.

Right now, things are too fluid.

The polls are changing so much each week if they are more than a few days old they do not mean much. I do not ever think I remember an election contest where minds of people change so much. So far it looks like Cruz will win Utah and Trump will win Arizona. If it plays out this way it would be a win for Trump because AZ has more delegates.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 20, 2016, 08:55:52 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 20, 2016, 06:22:16 PM

And what month are we in at this point?

I presume that that's a rhetorical question.

Yes, I expect that we will see a bounce for both candidates after their respective conventions. For election 2004, 2008 and 2012, whoever was (mostly) ahead in March on RCP won in November. Anteros tried to make the case that this won't apply to Trump because he is "unpredictable." (I think that he meant "wacked.") We'll see if he can overcome Clinton's six-point national lead by displaying more symptoms of mental illness, but I doubt it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 20, 2016, 09:01:15 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on March 20, 2016, 08:27:16 PM

The polls are changing so much each week if they are more than a few days old they do not mean much. I do not ever think I remember an election contest where minds of people change so much. So far it looks like Cruz will win Utah and Trump will win Arizona. If it plays out this way it would be a win for Trump because AZ has more delegates.

Slumba and I were discussing Trump vs Clinton in the national election, not what is going on in the primaries.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 20, 2016, 11:18:01 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 20, 2016, 08:55:52 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 20, 2016, 06:22:16 PM
And what month are we in at this point?

I presume that that's a rhetorical question.

Yes, I expect that we will see a bounce for both candidates after their respective conventions. For election 2004, 2008 and 2012, whoever was (mostly) ahead in March on RCP won in November. Anteros tried to make the case that this won't apply to Trump because he is "unpredictable." (I think that he meant "wacked.") We'll see if he can overcome Clinton's six-point national lead by displaying more symptoms of mental illness, but I doubt it.

36 years ago Reagan overcame a 23 point lead by Jimmy Carter. Why you keep blathering on about such a small lead by Clinton is unknown, except perhaps it's you who has symptoms of mental illness. Either way you're going to have egg on your face come November 8th.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 20, 2016, 11:31:36 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 20, 2016, 09:19:38 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 19, 2016, 10:13:38 PM
Do you think the way you were raised by your parents has anything to do with your politics?

Absolutely! I was raised to think for myself. Trump doesn't represent a stern father figure to me; he is a poster boy for ignorance, stupidity and hatred. Those qualities appeal to a certain demographic but embracing them would reduce the United States to a big redneck hamlet, not "make America great again." Of course, that would suit Anteros just fine.

The situation with Trump is he address his message to what he knows is a dumbed down America. All the politicians do the same to a degree. Obama did it with his "Hope" and "Change" campaign. Trump knows he has to play this game as he did with his donations to leftist and rightest politicians if he hopes to get what he wants. TomT, you are confusing your understanding of who Trump really is with this game. The truth is, the real inside skinny is, Trump is a "Conspiracy Theorist", 911 "Truther" and a "Birther" all Orwellian "Stop think" words. On that later one he no doubt believes that Obama is hiding his real past. What he is hoping, if he gets in, is to expose it and all the other hidden secrets of the National Security State. He hopes the America public will wake up and see how they have been deceived and he will then get enough support to lead his revolution. Trump is hated by the establishment because he might upset their racket (most of Americans expendable income diverted to DC and then on to them). The 'Black Lives Matter' folks and liberal lefties like yourself are just the "useful idiots" (as they call you) to help frighten the people into voting for someone else.

Also look what 'New York Post' Democrat and syndicated columnist Michael Goodwin said today.
http://nypost.com/2016/03/19/why-its-time-for-a-trump-revolution/

Quote

My gut tells me much of the contempt for Trump reflects contempt for his working-class white support. It is one prejudice gentry liberals and gentry conservatives share.

It is perhaps the last acceptable bigotry, and you can see it expressed on any primetime TV program. The insults don’t all seem good-natured to me. I grew up in central Pennsylvania, surrounded by the kind of people supporting Trump, and I sympathize with their worsening plight.

For generations, they went all in for the American dream. Their families fought the wars, worked in the factories, taught school, coached Little League and built a middle-class culture. Now they are abandoned and know it.

Nobody speaks for them. The left speaks for the unions, the poor and the nonwhite, even shedding tears for illegal immigrants and rioters and looters. The GOP speaks for the Chamber of Commerce, big business and Wall Street.

Trump alone is bringing many of these forgotten Americans into the political system, much as Obama did with millennials and black voters. Trump has done it with full-frontal attacks on lopsided trade deals and a broken immigration system. His message is a potent brew of populism and nationalism that reaches across the partisan divide, and the public response is stirring the country.

In fact, many who despise Trump concede he is right that globalization and the open-border flood of cheap labor, while benefitting many Americans, has hurt many others. But instead of working to fix a broken status quo, many on the left and right echo each other’s venomous attacks against him. One day he is Mussolini, the next he’s Hitler, and he’s routinely accused of hate speech and racism.

What is his great sin? Breaking the taboo about what ails the middle class? Daring to challenge a power system that only pretends to have the consent of the governed?

The shame is that others didn’t beat him to it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 21, 2016, 07:44:30 AM

Maxx,
Our own party hates us and is arrogant and dismissive of us, would you really expect anything different from the likes of a TomT? Persons like TomT decry prejudice and "hatred" while actively engaging in both. You cannot reason or win with persons like Tom, let him have his delusions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 21, 2016, 09:20:02 AM

^ While you are doing handstands on a skateboard, most of us contribute like adults in meaningful ways. Having a discussion with you is reminiscent of debating with Justin. Here is an image that might strike a chord with you two.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 21, 2016, 01:20:08 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 09:20:02 AM

^ While you are doing handstands on a skateboard, most of us contribute like adults in meaningful ways. Having a discussion with you is reminiscent of debating with Justin. Here is an image that might strike a chord with you two.

Tom:

Perhaps I'm not paying attention to this thread completely, so kindly indulge me:

It's obvious you don't think much of Trump. Is your preference Hillary or one of the other Republicans still in the race?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 02:38:40 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 09:20:02 AM

How the world sees the United States

So are we back in HS and supposed to give a shit what the "cool kids" think of us? Twice in my grandfather's lifetime America had to intervene militarily, to save one half of Europe from the other half of Europe, first b/c Queen Victoria's uncle couldn't get along with her grandson b/c Gavrilo Pricip and Franz Ferdinand got into a street corner debate that ended badly over who had the sillier name, and the second time b/c of Europe's penchant for generating homocidal, meglomaniacal dicators. Then we got to stay there to prevent Episode III.

Europeans rise and sleep, as they have for decades, under the American Aegis. Accordingly, I don't give two cold f*cks what a bunch of leftoid poofters in skinny jeans sucking at the welfare state's teat think about us.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 21, 2016, 03:12:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 21, 2016, 01:20:08 PM

Is your preference Hillary or one of the other Republicans still in the race?

That is a difficult question. Hillary's eagerness to overthrow foreign governments (with terrible results) is troubling, not that the Republicans are any better on that issue. Cruz's vision of a Christian Taliban and Kasich's inexperience don't give me warm feelings either. I'm still reading and processing but I fear that the lack of a clearly exceptional candidate will reduce the decision to the lesser evil.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 21, 2016, 03:25:25 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 02:38:40 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 09:20:02 AM
How the world sees the United States

So are we back in HS and supposed to give a shit what the "cool kids" think of us? Twice in my grandfather's lifetime America had to intervene militarily, to save one half of Europe from the other half of Europe, first b/c Queen Victoria's uncle couldn't get along with her grandson b/c Gavrilo Pricip and Franz Ferdinand got into a street corner debate that ended badly over who had the sillier name, and the second time b/c of Europe's penchant for generating homocidal, meglomaniacal dicators. Then we got to stay there to prevent Episode III.

Europeans rise and sleep, as they have for decades, under the American Aegis. Accordingly, I don't give two cold f*cks what a bunch of leftoid poofters in skinny jeans sucking at the welfare state's teat think about us.

:party0031: :gousa:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 21, 2016, 03:25:48 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 02:38:40 PM

So are we back in HS and supposed to give a shit what the "cool kids" think of us? Twice in my grandfather's lifetime America had to intervene militarily, to save one half of Europe from the other half of Europe, first b/c Queen Victoria's uncle couldn't get along with her grandson b/c Gavrilo Pricip and Franz Ferdinand got into a street corner debate that ended badly over who had the sillier name, and the second time b/c of Europe's penchant for generating homocidal, meglomaniacal dicators. Then we got to stay there to prevent Episode III.

Europeans rise and sleep, as they have for decades, under the American Aegis. Accordingly, I don't give two cold f*cks what a bunch of leftoid poofters in skinny jeans sucking at the welfare state's teat think about us.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 21, 2016, 03:26:08 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 02:38:40 PM

So are we back in HS and supposed to give a shit what the "cool kids" think of us?

Only those of us who use the expression, "cool kids," are back in high school.

You shouldn't be too hard on Europe; it is not as if the United States hasn't produced homocidal, meglomaniacal dictators. If the low-information voters have their way, we will produce another.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 21, 2016, 03:35:46 PM

The future President Trump is speaking to AIPAC right now. Let's hope our juvenile member who claims he is so concerned about who our future President will be is carefully listening.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 21, 2016, 04:28:51 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 21, 2016, 03:35:46 PM

The future President Trump is speaking to AIPAC right now. Let's hope our juvenile member who claims he is so concerned about who our future President will be is carefully listening.

I listened to it.

Must say I was pretty impressed. He was very Presidential. He has a professional and informed speech writing team and his delivery was great. Screwed up about "Palestine" but that was a small error in the overall message.

He ought to do more of this style of speech rather than shoot from the hip. People wouldn't be so afraid of him if he would present a public image like this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 21, 2016, 04:46:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 21, 2016, 04:28:51 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 21, 2016, 03:35:46 PM

The future President Trump is speaking to AIPAC right now. Let's hope our juvenile member who claims he is so concerned about who our future President will be is carefully listening.

I listened to it.

Must say I was pretty impressed. He was very Presidential. He has a professional and informed speech writing team and his delivery was great. Screwed up about "Palestine" but that was a small error in the overall message.

He ought to do more of this style of speech rather than shoot from the hip. People wouldn't be so afraid of him if he would present a public image like this.

I agree 100%. Even though I am a Trump supporter there have been plenty of cringe-worthy moments. I would be very happy if he would use a professionally prepared speech more often if not always.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 04:51:42 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 03:12:40 PM

...Kasich's inexperience don't give me warm feelings either. I'm still reading and processing but I fear that the lack of a clearly exceptional candidate will reduce the decision to the lesser evil.

Out of curiosity, how is Kasich, with 18 years in the House including stints on the Armed Services and Budget Committees and then being twice-elected Governor of a major state "inexperienced"?

Fun Facts: in House races, he carried, on average, per election, 68% of the vote and his ex-wife campaigns for him.

Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 03:26:08 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 02:38:40 PM
So are we back in HS and supposed to give a shit what the "cool kids" think of us?

Only those of us who use the expression, "cool kids," are back in high school.

It's safe to assume I was using the term sarcastically to disparage the left's obsession with European "approval".

Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 03:26:08 PM

You shouldn't be too hard on Europe; it is not as if the United States hasn't produced homocidal, meglomaniacal dictators.

First, your allegation, even if true, is immaterial.

Second: Name a single one, in living memory.

Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 03:26:08 PM

If the low-information voters have their way, we will produce another.

This is merely an expression of opinion, and florid hyperbole, at best...and I'm not even a Trump voter. Perhaps you could name a single person Trump has killed? For a 69 year old man who is allegedly going to become a homicidal, megalomaniacal dictator, he seems to be a profound underachiever thus far.....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 21, 2016, 04:56:14 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 04:51:42 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 03:12:40 PM

...Kasich's inexperience don't give me warm feelings either. I'm still reading and processing but I fear that the lack of a clearly exceptional candidate will reduce the decision to the lesser evil.

Out of curiosity, how is Kasich, with 18 years in the House including stints on the Armed Services and Budget Committees and then being twice-elected Governor of a major state "inexperienced"?

Fun Facts: in House races, he carried, on average, per election, 68% of the vote and his ex-wife campaigns for him.

That was my question as well . . . . . . . . . .

I actually played 18 holes of golf with him in 1975

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 21, 2016, 05:04:33 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 21, 2016, 04:56:14 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 04:51:42 PM
Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 03:12:40 PM

...Kasich's inexperience don't give me warm feelings either. I'm still reading and processing but I fear that the lack of a clearly exceptional candidate will reduce the decision to the lesser evil.

Out of curiosity, how is Kasich, with 18 years in the House including stints on the Armed Services and Budget Committees and then being twice-elected Governor of a major state "inexperienced"?

Fun Facts: in House races, he carried, on average, per election, 68% of the vote and his ex-wife campaigns for him.

That was my question as well . . . . . . . . . .

Kasich is not my first choice and I wish he would get out of the race so that the two guys with a legitimate chance to win could go at it. Romney seems schizoid as he was supporting Kasich in one state but then in Utah supports Cruz and says that a vote for Kasich is a vote for Trump, which might be true. Romney couldn't win against Obama and now he seems to be mucking this election up.

Trump is my current 1st choice, followed by Cruz. I see Kasich as a good VP candidate. It's going to go down to the wire. Will Trump get to 1237 delegates prior to the convention? It's going to be close.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 21, 2016, 05:19:10 PM

Trump's foreign policy outlook.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-questions-need-for-nato-outlines-noninterventionist-foreign-policy/ar-BBqJEUL?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 21, 2016, 06:40:22 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 03:26:08 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 02:38:40 PM
So are we back in HS and supposed to give a shit what the "cool kids" think of us?

Only those of us who use the expression, "cool kids," are back in high school.

You shouldn't be too hard on Europe; it is not as if the United States hasn't produced homocidal, meglomaniacal dictators. If the low-information voters have their way, we will produce another.

Tom who would the high information voters be voting for? Certainly not Cruz, he's hated by most of his colleagues in the Senate and House. Kasich, as the polls have shown is unknown outside of Ohio.

Clinton is being investigated by the government she once served in. Sanders wants to turn the US into a Scandinavian paradise. Trump isn't any worse than any of the above.

For those who think Trump is acting in ways that are not in keeping with US politics take a look at some of the nasty name calling during presidential elections in the early 19th century. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/08/22/mf.campaign.slurs.slogans/)

Then of course there's the pistol duel between Alexander Hamilton, one of the founding fathers of the US, and Aaron Burr. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burr%E2%80%93Hamilton_duel) Burr mortally wounded Hamilton who died the next day. Although Burr was charged with murder in 2 different states, he was acquitted in one state and charges were dismissed in the other.

The duel was the result of a long simmering political feud between the 2 men. Certainly far worse than anything that has happened or might happen in politics today.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steamer on March 21, 2016, 07:09:36 PM

You know, sometimes the system needs to be blown up just to keep it relevant.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 21, 2016, 07:33:24 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 04:51:42 PM

Out of curiosity, how is Kasich, with 18 years in the House including stints on the Armed Services and Budget Committees and then being twice-elected Governor of a major state "inexperienced"?

He lacks any cabinet appointments.

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 04:51:42 PM

Second: Name a single one, in living memory.

GWB.

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 04:51:42 PM

Perhaps you could name a single person Trump has killed?

GWB didn't personally kill anyone either but he is still responsible for hundreds of thousands of Iraqi deaths.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 21, 2016, 07:47:12 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 21, 2016, 06:40:22 PM

Tom who would the high information voters be voting for?

I already posted that we lack a clearly exceptional candidate; except that we are screwed, I don't know what else that I can write about it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 21, 2016, 08:06:52 PM

Here are the latest Trump vs Clinton polls:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 08:08:49 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 07:33:24 PM

He lacks any cabinet appointments.

The last president to have held a regular Cabinet post as....wait for it...Herbert Hoover.

Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 07:33:24 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 04:51:42 PM
Second: Name a single one, in living memory.

GWB.

Wrong.

You are merely engaging in the idle criminalization of policy differences. Take another guess.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 21, 2016, 08:10:49 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 07:47:12 PM

Quote from: WestCoast on March 21, 2016, 06:40:22 PM
Tom who would the high information voters be voting for?

I already posted that we lack a clearly exceptional candidate; except that we are screwed, I don't know what else that I can write about it.

Hopefully nothing. IOW give us a break and take a break. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 21, 2016, 08:14:19 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 04:51:42 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 03:12:40 PM
You shouldn't be too hard on Europe; it is not as if the United States hasn't produced homocidal, meglomaniacal dictators.

First, your allegation, even if true, is immaterial.

Second: Name a single one, in living memory.

Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 03:26:08 PM
If the low-information voters have their way, we will produce another.

This is merely an expression of opinion, and florid hyperbole, at best...and I'm not even a Trump voter. Perhaps you could name a single person Trump has killed? For a 69 year old man who is allegedly going to become a homicidal, megalomaniacal dictator, he seems to be a profound underachiever thus far.....

When it comes to those people who Tom is not fond of, he has a very active imagination. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 21, 2016, 08:25:06 PM

Quote from: Steamer on March 21, 2016, 07:09:36 PM

You know, sometimes the system needs to be blown up just to keep it relevant.

Yeah buddy! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 21, 2016, 08:34:06 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 08:08:49 PM

The last president to have held a regular Cabinet post as....wait for it...Herbert Hoover.

... and a woman has never been elected president so it cannot happen, eh?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 21, 2016, 09:22:01 PM

So What's Going ON?

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-22%20at%208.55.28%20AM_zpseftj8lnv.png)

During a campaign speech in Spokane, Wash., on behalf of Hillary’s presidential bid, the former president stated:

"I literally from the time I met her 45 years ago until we talked yesterday, she is the best change maker I have ever known. She always finds a way to make something good happen, to make people feel empowered, to buy people into the process, to make democracy work the way the framers intended for it to work. Now if you don’t believe we can all grow together again, if you don’t believe we’re ever going to grow again, if you believe it’s more important to re-litigate the past, there may be many reasons that you don’t want to support her.

But if you believe we can all rise together, if you believe we’ve finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the seven years before that where we were practicing trickle-down economics with no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash, then you should vote for her.

Because she’s the only person who basically has good ideas, will tell you how she’s going to pay for them, can be commander-in-chief, and is a proven change maker with Republicans and Democrats and Independents alike."

So what's brewing in Satanville when Bill Clinton is calling the last eight years of Obama as "awful?" Has he gotten word that the DOJ will indict Hillary? And what's this about deregulation causing the crash? Didn't Clinton sign off on the overturning of the Glass Steagal Act? Didn't he receive the pay off from these banks with his 150 million dollars or so in speaker fees? Perhaps Bill is losing it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 21, 2016, 10:05:42 PM

^ The Democrats were quick to claim that Bill Clinton was criticizing gridlock, allegedly caused by Republicans.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 21, 2016, 10:12:47 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 21, 2016, 10:05:42 PM

^ The Democrats were quick to claim that Bill Clinton was criticizing gridlock, allegedly caused by Republicans.

That makes sense.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 21, 2016, 10:39:15 PM

Gotta love it when Obama claims that Trump has been inciting "violence". This after the Ferguson and Baltimore riots which Obama egged on by sending that racist turd Sharpton.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 21, 2016, 10:42:24 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 21, 2016, 04:56:14 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 04:51:42 PM
Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 03:12:40 PM

...Kasich's inexperience don't give me warm feelings either. I'm still reading and processing but I fear that the lack of a clearly exceptional candidate will reduce the decision to the lesser evil.

Out of curiosity, how is Kasich, with 18 years in the House including stints on the Armed Services and Budget Committees and then being twice-elected Governor of a major state "inexperienced"?

Fun Facts: in House races, he carried, on average, per election, 68% of the vote and his ex-wife campaigns for him.

That was my question as well . . . . . . . . . .

I actually played 18 holes of golf with him in 1975

I just noticed this. So who won? How did that occur, and what was your impression of him?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 22, 2016, 05:13:49 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 21, 2016, 10:42:24 PM

I just noticed this. So who won? How did that occur, and what was your impression of him?

I was a 3-handicap at the time so I assume I won.

It was a political fundraiser for the Lashutka For Mayor campaign. I played with him and Buzz Lukins, his boss at the Ohio Senate. It was a long time ago so I don't remember much about him except that he was a pleasant golfing companion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 22, 2016, 05:53:28 AM

Just a little history lesson for you Anteros and Cuffy:

Republican Convention of 1860:

Total delegates 466. Required for nomination 233. Upon arriving in Chicago, NONE of the candidates had the required majority for a first ballot victory. The leader after the first ballot was William Seward with 173.5 votes. Negotiations began, horsetrading took place and by the fourth ballot, Abraham Lincoln emerged as the nominee of the Republican Party with 349 votes. He went on to become one of the greatest President in our counties history.

Republican Convention of 1920:

Total delegates: 984. Required for nomination 492. Again in Chicago, NONE of the candidates had the required majority for a first ballot victory. The leader after the first ballot was General Leonard Wood with 287.5 votes. In 4th place was William Harding with 65.5. After 10 ballots Warren Harding emerged as the nominee for the Republican Party with 644.7 votes and won the election in the fall.

So you see gentlemen, if Trump does not get to 1237, he is not entitled to any special consideration just because he got "close" or a plurality. The nomination will be decided by the delegates and the ability of Trump's campaign managers to negotiate for votes will determine if he or somebody else becomes the eventual nominee. Nobody is screwing anybody. It's the way business has and will always be done in politics. Close doesn't count. You have to knock that last 3 foot putt into the hole if you want to win The Masters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 22, 2016, 06:21:06 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 21, 2016, 08:34:06 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 08:08:49 PM
The last president to have held a regular Cabinet post as....wait for it...Herbert Hoover.

... and a woman has never been elected president so it cannot happen, eh?

Irrelevant to your point about Kasich's alleged inexperience.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 22, 2016, 09:18:09 AM

^ I was asked my opinion and I gave it. I can't be arsed to connect the dots for menopausal American exceptionalists who ought to be taking hormonal replacement therapy for their bitchiness. I realize that the possibility of a female president must be giving you guys terrible mental issues, as did a Black president, but y'all are just going to have to get over it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 22, 2016, 09:39:31 AM

Pretty sure that I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, that every problem with immigrants in the EU will strengthen Trump's support.

Sorry to say that the savagery in Brussels is likely to prove my point.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 22, 2016, 11:30:13 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 22, 2016, 09:18:09 AM

I realize that the possibility of a female president must be giving you guys terrible mental issues, as did a Black president, but y'all are just going to have to get over it.

Speaking for myself, the idea of a female President doesn't bother me one bit. I can name several possible candidates from both parties that have excellent qualifications to be President. Condoleezza Rice and Elizabeth Warren come to mind off the top of my head.

In my opinion Hillary Clinton isn't qualified to be President. She was a horrible Secretary of State; perhaps next to John Kerry, the worst in our history. She was an unproductive Senator who only authored 3 bills that became law (two naming buildings or highways, one creating a national park). Her handling of the Benghazi incident displayed her lack of concern for the duties of her office. Finally, her cavalier and unrepentant manner in which she ignored US governmental security policy because it "inconvenienced" her makes her a poor choice to hold ANY leadership position in our government.

I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that if the USA has survived the complete incompetence of Barrack Obama for 8 years, we can certainly survive 4 to 8 years of Donald Trump. What is crystal clear to me is that if we follow 4-8 years of Hillary Clinton AFTER 8 years of Obama, our country will be fundamentally transformed into something the founding fathers never envisioned; even in their worst nightmares.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 22, 2016, 12:42:36 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 22, 2016, 09:18:09 AM

^ I was asked my opinion and I gave it.

The notion that that a 9 term House member and 2 term (well, 1.5 term, thus far) governor is "inexperienced" because he never served in the cabinet isn't particularly convincing.

Quote from: TomT on March 22, 2016, 09:18:09 AM

I can't be arsed to connect the dots for menopausal American exceptionalists who ought to be taking hormonal replacement therapy for their bitchiness. I realize that the possibility of a female president must be giving you guys terrible mental issues, as did a Black president, but y'all are just going to have to get over it.

This is a non sequitur. My question was about Kasich and his experience. One can dislike Hillary for other reasons than her genitalia. :coffeeread:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 22, 2016, 01:09:13 PM

HAHAHAHAHA! Shakespear, NOW you start to understand!

Pity that you wasted your vote the other day though, eh?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 22, 2016, 01:11:48 PM

The writer of this Americentric horseshit has no standing to lecture me about relevancy and non sequiturs:

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 02:38:40 PM

So are we back in HS and supposed to give a shit what the "cool kids" think of us? Twice in my grandfather's lifetime America had to intervene militarily, to save one half of Europe from the other half of Europe, first b/c Queen Victoria's uncle couldn't get along with her grandson b/c Gavrilo Pricip and Franz Ferdinand got into a street corner debate that ended badly over who had the sillier name, and the second time b/c of Europe's penchant for generating homocidal, meglomaniacal dicators. Then we got to stay there to prevent Episode III.

Europeans rise and sleep, as they have for decades, under the American Aegis. Accordingly, I don't give two cold f*cks what a bunch of leftoid poofters in skinny jeans sucking at the welfare state's teat think about us.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 22, 2016, 01:19:17 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 22, 2016, 01:11:48 PM

The writer of this Americentric horseshit has no standing to lecture me about relevancy and non sequiturs:

I'm beginning to think that your Indian* name would be "Old Man Shouts at Clouds".

The odd thing about the Left w/r/t foreign policy is that, despite their alleged "internationalism" they seem to be really bad at figuring out that other nations have agency and agendas, etc., and not everything is simply a reaction to whatever the United States does.

At any rate, if you can frame a cogent argument about Kasich/Hillary, etc., be my guest, but you seem only to wander from allegation to allegation with no basis or intent other than to cast aspersions and insults. Thus, this discussion, for me, is a lot like attempting to have a reasoned dialogue about the benefits of restraint and negotiation with a rabid badger; not only is one's interlocutor unqualified from the start, he's only out to injure you.

B/B

*Feather, not dot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on March 22, 2016, 02:09:42 PM

Perhaps a degree of civility would be a surprising change.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 22, 2016, 03:22:54 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 22, 2016, 01:19:17 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 22, 2016, 01:11:48 PM
The writer of this Americentric horseshit has no standing to lecture me about relevancy and non sequiturs:

I'm beginning to think that your Indian* name would be "Old Man Shouts at Clouds".

The odd thing about the Left w/r/t foreign policy is that, despite their alleged "internationalism" they seem to be really bad at figuring out that other nations have agency and agendas, etc., and not everything is simply a reaction to whatever the United States does.

At any rate, if you can frame a cogent argument about Kasich/Hillary, etc., be my guest, but you seem only to wander from allegation to allegation with no basis or intent other than to cast aspersions and insults. Thus, this discussion, for me, is a lot like attempting to have a reasoned dialogue about the benefits of restraint and negotiation with a rabid badger; not only is one's interlocutor unqualified from the start, he's only out to injure you.

B/B

*Feather, not dot.

Who knew that Tom had rabies? :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

(I always knew that he was bat-shit crazy, but now it all makes sense!!!)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 22, 2016, 03:25:22 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 22, 2016, 01:11:48 PM

The writer of this Americentric horseshit has no standing to lecture me about relevancy and non sequiturs:

Quote from: B.B. on March 21, 2016, 02:38:40 PM
So are we back in HS and supposed to give a shit what the "cool kids" think of us? Twice in my grandfather's lifetime America had to intervene militarily, to save one half of Europe from the other half of Europe, first b/c Queen Victoria's uncle couldn't get along with her grandson b/c Gavrilo Pricip and Franz Ferdinand got into a street corner debate that ended badly over who had the sillier name, and the second time b/c of Europe's penchant for generating homocidal, meglomaniacal dicators. Then we got to stay there to prevent Episode III.

Europeans rise and sleep, as they have for decades, under the American Aegis. Accordingly, I don't give two cold f*cks what a bunch of leftoid poofters in skinny jeans sucking at the welfare state's teat think about us.

B/B

What's wrong Tommy, did you finally pick a fight with the wrong mutherf*cker? :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 22, 2016, 03:26:08 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on March 22, 2016, 02:09:42 PM

Perhaps a degree of civility would be a surprising change.

Those who deserve civility get it. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 22, 2016, 04:24:25 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on March 22, 2016, 02:09:42 PM

Perhaps a degree of civility would be a surprising change.

Actually, I think you will find, given a fair reading, that my interaction with TomT over the last several posts had been fairly civil, up until his most recent post. I do find that over-concern that some Americans have with being "liked" by Europeans to be, well, let's just say I don't think very much of it.

I was also genuinely curious about allegation of Kasich's 'inexperience' because while there are certainly principled reasons not to like Kasich, that one doesn't hold water. I'm not sure why he diverged in to Obama who, while I dislike a number of his views, ha surprised me, pleasantly, in some ways. Indeed, I would often joke, in his first term, that, as he had extended the "Bush Tax Cuts For Everyone" and kept 'Gitmo open, I might even vote for him. :chuckle:

My dislike for H-Rod stems largely from her being an entitled, unprincipled, narcissist-opportunist.* Given the choices b/w Obama (were he not term-limited out), H-Rod, Trump and Cruz, but for the judiciary, I might take Barry.

Beyond that, once someone wants to take the gloves off, well, as it turns out, my Kung Fu is strong Kung Fu and I'm not afraid to use it if someone crosses a line. /shrugs

B/B

*These criticisms fit fairly well w/r/t Trump, but I'm not a Trump voter, so not my problem, and just because one might say the same about Trump doesn't excuse H-Rod.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 22, 2016, 04:26:28 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 22, 2016, 01:09:13 PM

HAHAHAHAHA! Shakespear, NOW you start to understand!

Pity that you wasted your vote the other day though, eh?

No I didn't.

I want to do everything possible within the rules of the Republican Party to prevent Trump from getting the nomination. If he prevails according the the rules, I'll cross that bridge if and when it happens.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 22, 2016, 05:13:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 22, 2016, 05:53:28 AM

So you see gentlemen, if Trump does not get to 1237, he is not entitled to any special consideration just because he got "close" or a plurality. The nomination will be decided by the delegates and the ability of Trump's campaign managers to negotiate for votes will determine if he or somebody else becomes the eventual nominee. Nobody is screwing anybody. It's the way business has and will always be done in politics. Close doesn't count. You have to knock that last 3 foot putt into the hole if you want to win The Masters.

Fair enough. Admittedly I certainly hope Trump can seal the deal prior to the convention. Obviously if he doesn't and if things were to go south (B/B's scenario of Trump picking up Cruz's delegates did not come true) then he's going to make a huge stink. Not sure I want to be a witness to that mess. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 22, 2016, 08:56:06 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 22, 2016, 05:13:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 22, 2016, 05:53:28 AM

So you see gentlemen, if Trump does not get to 1237, he is not entitled to any special consideration just because he got "close" or a plurality. The nomination will be decided by the delegates and the ability of Trump's campaign managers to negotiate for votes will determine if he or somebody else becomes the eventual nominee. Nobody is screwing anybody. It's the way business has and will always be done in politics. Close doesn't count. You have to knock that last 3 foot putt into the hole if you want to win The Masters.

Fair enough. Admittedly I certainly hope Trump can seal the deal prior to the convention. Obviously if he doesn't and if things were to go south (B/B's scenario of Trump picking up Cruz's delegates did not come true) then he's going to make a huge stink. Not sure I want to be a witness to that mess. :laugh:

A few thoughts.

Trump can win out. I would not be surprised if he did. And at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he won--remember, everyone thought he was putting the GOP on not so long ago. I certainly did.

If the eventual nominee is NOT Trump, I suspect that the folks who voted for him, who already feel ill-used by the "Establishment" GOP will be furious. I also fully expect The Donald will be furious, if somewhat less so.

What then? Well, if there's a Cleveland Screwjob, Trump's voters could simply sit on their hands in the general, handing the nomination to Hillary, or Trump could run as an independent, if he feels slighted....and does anything think he *won't*? For him not to, he'd have to miss by 150 or so, methinks....oh, and he just picked up 58 more delegates in Arizona.

Cruz will likely win Utah, but if you look at the upcoming states, DJT is leading in most of them. I think he locks up the nomination before the convention and it's going to look like a bad year for the GOP. I suppose a wild-card like Trump could mix it up, and he's surprised the hell out of me so far, but I just don't see this going the right way.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tonton on March 22, 2016, 10:13:36 PM

As an outsider, and most Australians I speak too about Trump, he is considered an egotistical w a n k e r. Good luck guys electing a suitable President.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on March 22, 2016, 11:48:33 PM

Quote from: tonton on March 22, 2016, 10:13:36 PM

As an outsider, and most Australians I speak too about Trump, he is considered an egotistical w a n k e r. Good luck guys electing a suitable President.

Don't hold back Tonton..tell us what you REALLY think :chuckle:

PS agree, totally

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 23, 2016, 12:33:32 AM

Quote from: tonton on March 22, 2016, 10:13:36 PM

As an outsider, and most Australians I speak too about Trump, he is considered an egotistical w a n k e r. Good luck guys electing a suitable President.

Sorry bud. When you'd rather carry a purse than a firearm, you guys don't get to vote with the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AKA Luke on March 23, 2016, 12:41:14 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 23, 2016, 12:33:32 AM

Quote from: tonton on March 22, 2016, 10:13:36 PM
As an outsider, and most Australians I speak too about Trump, he is considered an egotistical w a n k e r. Good luck guys electing a suitable President.

Sorry bud. When you'd rather carry a purse than a firearm, you guys don't get to vote with the USA.

Giddyup pardner, fair dinkum!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 23, 2016, 01:40:46 AM

I came upon THIS ARTICLE (http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com.ee/2016/03/free-trade-jobs-and-income-inequality.html) yesterday. it is a long read, involves some long words and even some numbers but is a useful insight into what Trump has been saying about globalisation and international trade.

Quote

The case for globalization based on the fact that it helps expand the economic pie by 3 percent becomes much weaker when it also changes the distribution of the slices by 50 percent.

The article links to a piece in the NEW YORK TIMES (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/business/economy/on-trade-angry-voters-have-a-point.html?_r=0), again a long read, with some long words and some numbers, but which delves into the reasons why 'free trade' is perhaps not such a great idea - unless both sides of the deal are managed well (which they are not in the USA).

The underlying issue for the USA is not free trade itself (that is likely a good thing as a concept) but the manner in which it became a tool of wealth redistribution from less well off to the very well off. The mechanism of exploitation/redistribution was to reduce manufacturing in the USA.

Trump's perspective that the US should restart manufacturing and that firms should be incentivised to do so is, in this reading of events, a very good idea and should be supported by anyone who is not part of the 0.01%. For those who think they are doing OK, I am certain that none are part of that elite slice and that, if the contentions of these articles are at all close to being valid (and I think they may be) then even the ones who think they are dong OK have been short changed and should/could have been doing much better if Trump's ideas had been implemented back around 1995 (when China joined the WTO)!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 23, 2016, 04:25:03 AM

Andrew, I actually bought a book 20 years ago that predicted all the bad things these "free trade" would bring. I read it and called a local talk radio station and discussed it with Jason Lewis. Jason was for a while the most often used fill in guest host for Rush Limbaugh. Jason of course argued that it was going to be a great thing. Jason was an establishment Republican member of the media. Well, guess what? I was right. David Stockman Reagan's OMB director and Paul Crag Roberts the assistant secretary under Reagan all confirm with data that Americans' have been and are being screwed into the ground. Then FINALLY someone running for President has the guts to say what needs to be said. All of us are poorer because of all of this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 23, 2016, 05:00:16 AM

Free trade is not the issue. Transfer of wealth is the issue. By dismantling the manufacturing economy of the US wealth was transferred to the owners of that infrastructure.

By comparison, Germany maintains its manufacturing base and benefits from its offshore manufacturing and does not have the same kind of trade imbalance which is the certain sign of the ongoing wealth transfer in the US.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 05:16:37 AM

Quote from: B.B. on March 22, 2016, 08:56:06 PM

A few thoughts.

Trump can win out. I would not be surprised if he did. And at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if he won--remember, everyone thought he was putting the GOP on not so long ago. I certainly did.

If the eventual nominee is NOT Trump, I suspect that the folks who voted for him, who already feel ill-used by the "Establishment" GOP will be furious. I also fully expect The Donald will be furious, if somewhat less so.

What then? Well, if there's a Cleveland Screwjob, Trump's voters could simply sit on their hands in the general, handing the nomination to Hillary, or Trump could run as an independent, if he feels slighted....and does anything think he *won't*? For him not to, he'd have to miss by 150 or so, methinks....oh, and he just picked up 58 more delegates in Arizona.

Cruz will likely win Utah, but if you look at the upcoming states, DJT is leading in most of them. I think he locks up the nomination before the convention and it's going to look like a bad year for the GOP. I suppose a wild-card like Trump could mix it up, and he's surprised the hell out of me so far, but I just don't see this going the right way.

B/B

Well, Trump WILL NOT get to 1237, it is a virtual certainty thanks to Ohio. There aren't any more winner-take-all states out there. It's not going to happen.

As I documented upthread in Republican Conventions of 1860 and 1920, having a plurality going into the convention doesn't mean you will get the nomination. A poll released yesterday articulates the concerns of the Republican Party leadership. Trump is 10 points behind Clinton. Trump's overall 33% net negative ratings (24% positive, 57% negative) convinces them that he cannot win in November.

Hillary is the most vulnerable candidate the Democrats have run for President since George McGovern. Her net negative rating of 21% (31% positive, 52% negative) indicates that ANY reasonable Republican should easily beat her - except Trump.

Trump is 9.2% behind Clinton in the average of polls at Real Clear Politics. Cruz is 1.4% behind Clinton and Kasich is 5.2% AHEAD of Clinton in that same summary of polls.

When Trump fails to get 1237 prior to the convention, expect the Republican Party to do what is necessary to insure they have a candidate that has the best chances of beating Clinton on their ticket.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 23, 2016, 05:45:41 AM

There 944 more delegates left to be decided. Trump needs only 496 to have enough. This is only 52.6 per cent or remaining delegates. At one point Trump needed 60 per cent of remaining delegates. In the last two weeks he has been winning at a rate that will put him over the top. There are four states left that are winner take all. Many of the remaining states have delegates front loaded to the winner. Other states become a winner take all if over fifty per cent of the vote goes to the winner like Utah was this week. It will be no cake walk for Donald but it is very possible that he could win out right.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 06:28:50 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on March 23, 2016, 05:45:41 AM

There 944 more delegates left to be decided. Trump needs only 496 to have enough. This is only 52.6 per cent or remaining delegates.

Trump hasn't received 50% of the votes in any primary state to date. What makes you think he can get 53% of the remaining votes?

Actually he has received about 40% of the primary votes so far. That means 60% of Republican voters do not want Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 23, 2016, 07:18:58 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 06:28:50 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on March 23, 2016, 05:45:41 AM
There 944 more delegates left to be decided. Trump needs only 496 to have enough. This is only 52.6 per cent or remaining delegates.

Trump hasn't received 50% of the votes in any primary state to date. What makes you think he can get 53% of the remaining votes?

Actually he has received about 40% of the primary votes so far. That means 60% of Republican voters do not want Trump.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-23%20at%206.16.30%20PM_zpszppyxrzw.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 23, 2016, 07:28:53 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 06:28:50 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on March 23, 2016, 05:45:41 AM
There 944 more delegates left to be decided. Trump needs only 496 to have enough. This is only 52.6 per cent or remaining delegates.

Trump hasn't received 50% of the votes in any primary state to date. What makes you think he can get 53% of the remaining votes?

Actually he has received about 40% of the primary votes so far. That means 60% of Republican voters do not want Trump.

Count the delegates not votes. He only need 52.6 of the remaining delegates to have enough. I posted the numbers check them out you will see I am right. He has been wining more the 53 per cent of the delegates for the last two weeks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 23, 2016, 07:32:18 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 05:16:37 AM

Well, Trump WILL NOT get to 1237, it is a virtual certainty thanks to Ohio. There aren't any more winner-take-all states out there. It's not going to happen.

Look, I'm not a Trump voter, but hope isn't a strategy.

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 05:16:37 AM

As I documented upthread in Republican Conventions of 1860 and 1920, having a plurality going into the convention doesn't mean you will get the nomination.

You do realize we're in a different century now, correct?

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 05:16:37 AM

When Trump fails to get 1237 prior to the convention, expect the Republican Party to do what is necessary to insure they have a candidate that has the best chances of beating Clinton on their ticket.

I have no doubt they will try. I am not particularly against it. However, if Trump runs as an independent, he can spoil it for the GOP, just like Perot screwed Bush I.

And unless Trump goes along, Trump voters might simply stay home on election day, also screwing over the GOP.

Sorry, I'm just dealing in "reality" here.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 23, 2016, 07:53:21 AM

Quote from: B.B. on March 23, 2016, 07:32:18 AM

And unless Trump goes along, Trump voters might simply stay home on election day, also screwing over the GOP.

That's what Ron Paul voters did in 2012.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 23, 2016, 07:59:15 AM

Shakespear is suffering from cognitive dissonance here. He really wants that Trump is neither nominee or president. Probably has a lot of money riding on the outcome.

As a result he is unable to handle the conflict between his desire and reality. Thus he ignores info that conflicts with his desire. For example, on one level he knows that most of the remaining states are either majority or winner takes all which means that as long as Trump carries on as he is doing he will pass the postpost. On the other he clings to the erroneous idea that Trump needs a majority of voters because that suits his needs.

He isn't alone in this regard, it is normal.

Here's what will happen if Trump doesn't pass the post (I may be repeating myself here) he will offer Kasich the VP running mate role and Cruz the vacancy on the Supreme Court. Neither will turn down such an offer and there will be no credible opposition to him at the national convention.

That's the reality without cognitive dissonance. ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 08:04:07 AM

Quote from: B.B. on March 23, 2016, 07:32:18 AM

You do realize we're in a different century now, correct?

Of course :thumbsup:

It is a rarity where one candidate doesn't have a majority going into the convention.

Forgot 1976. Ford had a plurality of votes but not the required number needed for a majority over Reagan. The backroom negotiations started and Reagan made the fatal mistake of naming Schweiker as his running mate to try to attract the more liberal element of the party. It backfired and Ford won 52% of the delegates on the second ballot.

Quote from: B.B. on March 23, 2016, 07:32:18 AM

I have no doubt they will try. I am not particularly against it. However, if Trump runs as an independent, he can spoil it for the GOP, just like Perot screwed Bush I.

And unless Trump goes along, Trump voters might simply stay home on election day, also screwing over the GOP.

Sorry, I'm just dealing in "reality" here.

B/B

My Washington "sources" tell me that they're more worried about preventing a huge coattail loss in the Senate and House that they're convinced a 20-point Trump candidacy loss would snowball into.

Likewise, they think the Presidency is still winnable with the right candidate. Kasich thinks he's "the guy". He might be right. I think given a choice, they would "hold their nose" and support Cruz rather than Trump.

A President Clinton without majorities in the House and Senate is what they're willing to limit the damage to in 2016. Give them that and they'll try again in 2020.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 08:09:20 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 23, 2016, 07:59:15 AM

Shakespear is suffering from cognitive dissonance here. He really wants that Trump is neither nominee or president. Probably has a lot of money riding on the outcome.

As a result he is unable to handle the conflict between his desire and reality. Thus he ignores info that conflicts with his desire. For example, on one level he knows that most of the remaining states are either majority or winner takes all which means that as long as Trump carries on as he is doing he will pass the postpost. On the other he clings to the erroneous idea that Trump needs a majority of voters because that suits his needs.

He isn't alone in this regard, it is normal.

Here's what will happen if Trump doesn't pass the post (I may be repeating myself here) he will offer Kasich the VP running mate role and Cruz the vacancy on the Supreme Court. Neither will turn down such an offer and there will be no credible opposition to him at the national convention.

That's the reality without cognitive dissonance. ;)

Your post shows you don't understand how the delegates to the convention are actually selected. Better do some research. Each state is different.

Promises of future jobs by a candidate who will lose the general election by 20-points don't carry much weight.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 23, 2016, 08:32:31 AM

I rather think I do understand, at least as well as your contacts on The Hill about how delegates are allocated. ;)

Cognitive dissonance is a terrible thing, it is exactly the same effect as how so many blokes get to marry 'Russian women' and end up in nasty divorces from them. Not dealing with the clash between what we want and reality!

Remember, I have no horse in the race, except in a global sense. I can not vote and have no input into the results and certainly no wagers on outcomes. You are simply factually wrong to suggest that Trump needs to have an overall majority of voters in order to get the required delegates. That's a result of the effect of simple majorities and the rules of the states still left to vote. Go check with your contacts again (or simply check the relevant websites for more reliable information about how delegates will be allocated in the remaining contests) I think they will have some input that corrects your misunderstandings. ;)

If you suggest that Trump's position is not assured then you'd be on the mark. It isn't.

As for an offer to make a deal, well, tell, me, if YOU were a rational candidate with NO CHANCE of being nominated as at least two of the names I mentioned are and you know that you will not be anywhere close to the required number of delegates, what would you, the rational man, do?
The only way in which this is not attractive to each of the candidates is if Cruz insists on the VP seat at all costs, or if one of the two receives a deal based upon the second round. Do you, as a rational man, think that the latter is a likelihood? Would the electorate go for a candidate proven to not be electable? How would that then square up with what Trump's response would be? Trump is not going to silently into the night if he does not get the nomination and he will leave scorched earth behind him.

So, we end up back with you choosing to elect Clinton, a known, if untried, criminal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 23, 2016, 08:32:43 AM

Trump has been proving the "wise guys" wrong since he got into the race. It's going to be close but I believe he will make the 1237 delegates needed prior to the Convention. Then he's going to beat Hillary Clinton in the general election and prove guys like Shakespear wrong once again. It may end up being close but that's okay. He's going to win and that's what counts. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 23, 2016, 08:35:25 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 23, 2016, 08:32:31 AM

I rather think I do understand, at least as well as your contacts on The Hill about how delegates are allocated. ;)

Cognitive dissonance is a terrible thing, it is exactly the same effect as how a bloke gets to marry a brace of 'Russian women' and end up in nasty divorces from each of them.

Remember, I have no horse in the race, except in a global sense. I can not vote and have no input into the results and certainly no wagers on outcomes. You are simply factually wrong to suggest that Trump needs to have an overall majority of voters in order to get the required delegates. That's a result of the effect of simple majorities and the rules of the states still left to vote. Go check with your contacts again (or simply check the relevant websites for more reliable information about how delegates will be allocated in the remaining contests) I think they will have some input that corrects your misunderstandings. ;)

If you suggest that Trump's position is not assured then you'd be on the mark. It isn't.

As for an offer to make a deal, well, tell, me, if YOU were a rational candidate with NO CHANCE of being nominated as at least two of the names I mentioned are and you know that you will not be anywhere close to the required number of delegates, what would you, the rational man, do?
The only way in which this is not attractive to each of the candidates is if Cruz insists on the VP seat at all costs, or if one of the two receives a deal based upon the second round. Do you, as a rational man, think that the latter is a likelihood? Would the electorate go for a candidate proven to not be electable? How would that then square up with what Trump's response would be? Trump is not going to silently into the night if he does not get the nomination and he will leave scorched earth behind him.

So, we end up back with you choosing to elect Clinton, a known, if untried, criminal.

Yep. Pretty amazing that a Brit sees it so clearly, yet an establishment guy is hell bent on self-destruction.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 23, 2016, 09:15:09 AM

Here's a real interesting place for numbers and election geeks to do some nerding out: CLICK HERE! (http://www.thegreenpapers.com/)
I have a friend in the UK to whom I will absolutely not give this link. If I did she'd give up work!

Here: CLICK HERE! (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/16/winner-take-all-arizona-primary-and-majority-take-all-utah-caucus-may-determine-trumps-first-ballot-nomination-chances/) is a link to a fairly comprehensive commentary on the forthcoming elections and the numbers. It is a couple of days out of date but the info seems solid enough.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 09:53:58 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 23, 2016, 08:32:31 AM

I rather think I do understand, at least as well as your contacts on The Hill about how delegates are allocated. ;)

It's clear from your comments, you don't understand the difference between "selected" and "allocated".

In a general sense, most are selected based on their hours of work for the Republican Party in their home districts and counties. They're the loyal party "worker bees" who man the phone banks for local candidates and issues each May and November under the supervision of the Party County Chairmen. Being selected as a delegate is sort of like a reward. I know this because I was "selected" as an alternate delegate for the 1988 Republican Convention in New Orleans.

You are required for the first round to vote for the candidate to which you are bound. After that, in most cases, you can vote for whomever you want to. People selected as delegates will want to impress the people who selected them as a delegate in the first place. These Party County Chairmen, who are delegates themselves will instruct you who to vote for in the second and following rounds if you want to be selected as a delegate again for future conventions. Thus the Party controls the vote.

People that have a strong campaign organization in that state might be successful getting some faithful delegates selected. Because Trump has such a poor "ground game" in most every state, his delegates are being selected from a pool of local Republicans who have proven their loyalty over years and years of work for the Party in general. Watch how quickly they "jump ship" from Trump after the first ballot.

People in the know are just starting to write and blog about how this "phenomenon" is going to affect the outcome of the Convention. Believe me Andrewfi, the guys that run the Republican Party are smarter than you, I or just about anyone on this forum. Trust me Andrewfi, if Trump doesn't get 1237 on the first ballot, he will N O T be the Republican nominee.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 23, 2016, 11:55:27 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 08:04:07 AM

My Washington "sources" tell me that they're more worried about preventing a huge coattail loss in the Senate and House that they're convinced a 20-point Trump candidacy loss would snowball into.

I don't think anyone needs "sources" to determine that the GOP is defending ~2.5x the number of Senate seats as the Dems, which is what makes not having a disaster at the top of the ticket so important.

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 08:04:07 AM

Likewise, they think the Presidency is still winnable with the right candidate. Kasich thinks he's "the guy". He might be right. I think given a choice, they would "hold their nose" and support Cruz rather than Trump.

Maybe, but without Trump and Trump's voters on-board, they lose.

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 08:04:07 AM

A President Clinton without majorities in the House and Senate is what they're willing to limit the damage to in 2016. Give them that and they'll try again in 2020.

The GOP ain't losing the House, no way, no how. 218 is the number to make and the GOP has 208 safe seats, which means they'd have to lose all of the toss-ups, all of the "Leaning GOP" and five of the "likely GOP" seats. Possible, but it's also possible that if I flip a coin, it lands on its edge and stays there.

They might lose the Senate, but it's only about a third of the seats that are truly at risk and the Dems defend 24 in 2018, when off-year elections favor the GOP.

Quote from: Anteros on March 23, 2016, 08:32:43 AM

Trump has been proving the "wise guys" wrong since he got into the race. It's going to be close but I believe he will make the 1237 delegates needed prior to the Convention. Then he's going to beat Hillary Clinton in the general election and prove guys like Shakespear wrong once again. It may end up being close but that's okay. He's going to win and that's what counts. :thumbsup:

See, that's just the thing. Every time this guy is attacked, he gets stronger. And Hillary is not a great candidate. She's not a closer, and Trump probably has a "+5%" like Jesse Helms used to have of voters who showed up out of the Hills on Election Day, or just didn't want to admit to voting Trump.

I'm a bit curious as to how it might turn out. I'd love for Cruz to get Scalia's old seat. It might be "Reagan, Part II, the Awesomeness Continues" or it might be: "2016 Trump Wins; 2017, "No way will he launch those nukes"; 2018, "No way are we doing what those apes tell us to."

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 23, 2016, 12:15:27 PM

I am surprised that some people with more military experience than I (none), have demonstrated so little forward-thinking in this primary and upcoming election.

What is the saying, that often the generals "fight to win the last war"?

The ground rules have changed, everything under your feet is different.

Before, a pyramidal hierarchy comprised of party leaders, advisers, consultants, news media, federal/state/local party political organization etc. made for genteel elections - in smoky backrooms the party leaders would divvy up "who gets what" well before the public was presented with their predetermined choices.

Any upstarts (Ron Paul anyone?) were quickly and easily swatted down, with the connivance of the media and the party apparatchiks (this word is entirely appropriate).

Now, the Internet has truly come into its own. Trump very savvily uses Twitter etc. as his own personal newspaper - giving him a reach as great as the New York Times, and able to react literally in minutes to the news.

You really think that if Trump gets > 1000 delegates, that attempting to replace or sideline him won't cause a total mutiny?

You are blind.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 23, 2016, 12:30:14 PM

Well, Shakespear, you are now seeming to suggest things that I have not said, in your reply to me. Perhaps you are thinking of some other people.

As to intellect, frankly, I doubt it, statistically it'd be bloody unlikely, almost impossible. ;)

I really think that you are over relying upon stuff you read on another bloke's blog.

Yes, I get the point about the rounds of voting, mate, it might be rocket science over there, it really isn't over here in civilisation! But, your cognitive dissonance (and shared by others, for sure) is really kicking in hard.

At least you now seem to be thinking of a Republican victory as an option rather than voting for Mrs Clinton, but in the end it is necessary to understand the real world. As Mike Tyson, that great American philosopher, once said 'everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face'. Well, Trump is that punch. Even you can see that, yes?
You and your 'contacts' are, from what you are telling us, ignoring the punch in the face and, mixing metaphors and repeating what Slumba noted, fighting the last war - not the current one.

That said, I give the real people, not those writing on blogs you read, more credit than you do. I am absolutely certain that they are actually dealing with Trump right now, possibly not face to face, but back channels are open. I am also sure that Trump has in mind, as one of his options, the idea I mentioned up thread - the 'real' powers will be aware of that as well and will be accounting for it, there's going to be several options, gambits and fall-backs - kinda like in a military campaign (or chess game). Truth is though, their position is not as strong as it might have been in the 1860's. The US media may not be perfect but there's an almighty good bush telegraph that didn't exist even a decade ago and Trump knows how to use it. That unwanted window on the world will force changes that are possibly not being accounted for by people with cognitive dissonance. ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 04:15:52 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 23, 2016, 12:15:27 PM

You really think that if Trump gets > 1000 delegates, that attempting to replace or sideline him won't cause a total mutiny?
You are blind.

Total mutiny? He only has 38% of the Republican votes. That means 62% don't want him.

Believe what you want. If he doesn't get 1237 he will not be the nominee. Write that down.

BTW, Sean Hannity just this evening did a commentary that backs my post upthread completely.
If you want to listen to his broadcast, start at 22 minutes in hour 3 for 3-23-2016

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 23, 2016, 04:54:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 04:15:52 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 23, 2016, 12:15:27 PM
You really think that if Trump gets > 1000 delegates, that attempting to replace or sideline him won't cause a total mutiny?
You are blind.

Total mutiny? He only has 38% of the Republican votes. That means 62% don't want him.

Believe what you want. If he doesn't get 1237 he will not be the nominee. Write that down.

BTW, Sean Hannity just this evening did a commentary that backs my post upthread completely.

Each side has a "core" group of supporters, that will not vote for anyone else.

Dems have a core that will vote for Bernie or Hillary. Repubs have a core that will vote Repub whether Kasich, Cruz, or Trump.

Success in American politics means swaying the people in the middle to your side.

This is complicated in this election, because a new, 3rd core, that of "immigration" has been added to the mix.

Right now Trump owns that 3rd group of committed voters. My view: this core will NOT vote for Kasich or Cruz or Ryan.

This 3rd core controls the margin of victory needed. Without them, Repubs lose.

IMHO.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 23, 2016, 05:10:18 PM

America is screwing over whites, who want to vote for Trump. :laugh:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/03/23/why-trump-is-winning-his-supporters-think-america-is-screwing-over-whites/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 05:16:44 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 23, 2016, 04:54:09 PM

Right now Trump owns that 3rd group of committed voters. My view: this core will NOT vote for Kasich or Cruz or Ryan.

This 3rd core controls the margin of victory needed. Without them, Repubs lose.

IMHO.

What you don't understand is the Republican establishment is willing to lose in 2016 with an "acceptable" candidate to prevent the predictable landslide loss if Trump is the candidate.

The guy has got a 33% net negative rating. He trails Hillary Clinton, the worst Democrat candidate since George McGovern by 13% as of today's polls. He's insulted every woman voter in the United States. He's non-electable in a General Election. Why can't you comprehend these facts?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 23, 2016, 06:02:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 05:16:44 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 23, 2016, 04:54:09 PM
Right now Trump owns that 3rd group of committed voters. My view: this core will NOT vote for Kasich or Cruz or Ryan.

This 3rd core controls the margin of victory needed. Without them, Repubs lose.

IMHO.

What you don't understand is the Republican establishment is willing to lose in 2016 with an "acceptable" candidate to prevent the predictable landslide loss if Trump is the candidate.

The guy has got a 33% net negative rating. He trails Hillary Clinton, the worst Democrat candidate since George McGovern by 13% as of today's polls. He's insulted every woman voter in the United States. He's non-electable in a General Election. Why can't you comprehend these facts?

I did address that, the first comment here http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.1620.html (bolding is mine for this quote)

Quote

Will the GOP once more:

-- conserve nothing

-- snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

-- while declaring their own moral superiority from their cuck stool, as they watch their hotwife electorate get banged by a Democrat butch with a strapon?

Maybe.

If Trump is the worst, why is he beating all the other R candidates?

Let me be blunt.

For the entirety of the time I have been eligible to vote, they have, again and again, sold me out.

Period.

The ONLY exception was the 1994 backlash against Clinton, which, only in retrospect did the GOP even like.

I ... give ... exactly .... ZERO , NULL, NADA .... F***S ... about what happens to the GOP as a party.

Trump is GOP's best shot at this point. Unless things change in some unforeseen way, he will remain so.

To choose anyone other than Trump is for the GOP to become a spent force and to die as an actual nationwide party.

Stop apologizing for being a white hetero male, would be my advice to GOP leadership.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 23, 2016, 06:05:23 PM

Would a woman rather vote for a person that insulted women or one that will bring terrorism to her neighborhood. Would a woman rather vote for someone who will bring her son home from foreign wars or one who will start them. Would a woman rather vote for a health care system that work better or one that thinks this one is great. You are so focus on the detail that you are not seeing the big picture why Trump has so many supporters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 23, 2016, 06:10:25 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on March 23, 2016, 06:05:23 PM

Would a woman rather vote for a person that insulted women or one that will bring terrorism to her neighborhood. Would a woman rather vote for someone who will bring her son home from foreign wars or one who will start them. Would a woman rather vote for a health care system that work better or one that thinks this one is great. You are so focus on the detail that you are not seeing the big picture why Trump has so many supporters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 23, 2016, 09:11:10 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2016, 05:16:44 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 23, 2016, 04:54:09 PM
Right now Trump owns that 3rd group of committed voters. My view: this core will NOT vote for Kasich or Cruz or Ryan.

This 3rd core controls the margin of victory needed. Without them, Repubs lose.

IMHO.

What you don't understand is the Republican establishment is willing to lose in 2016 with an "acceptable" candidate to prevent the predictable landslide loss if Trump is the candidate.

Just curious. Do you see Mitt Romney as an "acceptable" candidate? Because I certainly don't, and I can assure that other Trump supporters do not. Trump was made to give a loyalty pledge, yet the party is not reciprocating with loyalty. I find your disloyal actions to be very dishonorable. If all the energy being expended to tear down Trump had been expended to support him, he would be well on his way towards a resounding victory. Why can't you comprehend this?? Both sad and pathetic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 23, 2016, 10:13:30 PM

This independent poll consistently has Trump beating Hillary. Of course the spoon fed negative polls against Trump don't actually feature any Trump supporters, so how could she not be beating him? So easy to twist polls, yet the "smart" guys here keep blathering on about bogus polls.

http://statespoll.com/post/141538319425/trump-vs-hillary-of-the-independents-reuters-poll

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 24, 2016, 12:38:52 AM

If it were true that the Republican party were willing to sabotage their own election campaign because the grandees don't like the candidate then I think we can understand that the Republican party as a political movement is finished.

I do think that, to many 'supporters' of the Republican party, Clinton represents the establishment choice, the status quo. However, in large part that shows us just how bankrupt and corrupt the process of democracy has become in the US. We know that many people, both real and legal, support both parties in an each way bet. Each of those contributions tells us that money buys power and influence, but also that it doesn't matter who the candidate is, as long as he, or she, represents the interest of that money.

Trump may be an idiot or a would be demagogue but what he most certainly is, right now, is a representation of the dissatisfaction of a very large part, possibly a majority, of the Republican leaning electorate. If the Republican party can not internalise and deal with this message then we can understand that the party is moribund.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 24, 2016, 02:33:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 24, 2016, 12:38:52 AM

Trump may be an idiot or a would be demagogue but what he most certainly is, right now, is a representation of the dissatisfaction of a very large part, possibly a majority, of the Republican leaning electorate. If the Republican party can not internalise and deal with this message then we can understand that the party is moribund.

There is a fair percentage of Bernie supporters who dislike Hillary's ties to Wall Street and the big banks so much they just might hold their nose and vote for Trump.

The Republican establishment should have factored in the Ron Paul supporters in '08 and '12. He was getting yuuuge crowds of young people at his rallies. Thousands and thousands while Mitt Romney's crowds were weak and small.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 24, 2016, 09:43:53 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on March 22, 2016, 02:09:42 PM

Perhaps a degree of civility would be a surprising change.

Don't be concerned; it was just a contest to see who has the least amount of respect for the other.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 24, 2016, 09:48:53 AM

Indeed, Trump is well on his way to a landslide:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 24, 2016, 10:50:12 AM

So who in the hell are you for Tom and why? How about a little backbone and tell us why? And please not mention who you are against. We get that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 24, 2016, 11:09:53 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 24, 2016, 09:48:53 AM

Indeed, Trump is well on his way to a landslide:

Assuming nothing of interest happens in the next 7 months.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 24, 2016, 02:57:36 PM

Old poll in January show Trump in dead heat with Cruz.

The PPIC poll showed an increase in support for Trump when compared with a poll by the Field Research Corporation in January. In that survey, Trump and U.S. Senator Ted Cruz of Texas were in a statistical tie at roughly 25 percent each.

New Poll when other candidate dropped out.

Since then, however, several candidates have dropped out of the crowded Republican race.

Nationwide, Reuters polling conducted on Tuesday showed Trump with a commanding lead among Republicans at 44.6 percent. By comparison, 26.9 percent said they supported Cruz and 19.8 percent supported Ohio Governor John Kasich.

When candidates drop out it is Trump support seems to be the one that is growing. Nationwide race with the dems a lot will change between now and November.

Original article.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/california-republicans-lean-to-trump-but-dislike-candidate-choices/ar-BBqQNER?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 24, 2016, 03:14:51 PM

49% of Americans are "scared" of a Trump Presidency.

Unfavorables up to 69%

I say again, if he doesn't get 1237, he will NOT be the nominee.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 24, 2016, 03:18:17 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 23, 2016, 09:11:10 PM

Just curious. Do you see Mitt Romney as an "acceptable" candidate?

No, I do not. He had his shot and blew it completely.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 24, 2016, 04:10:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 24, 2016, 03:18:17 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 23, 2016, 09:11:10 PM
Just curious. Do you see Mitt Romney as an "acceptable" candidate?

No, I do not. He had his shot and blew it completely.

I'm glad that we at least agree on that. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 24, 2016, 04:15:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 24, 2016, 03:14:51 PM

49% of Americans are "scared" of a Trump Presidency.

Unfavorables up to 69%

I say again, if he doesn't get 1237, he will NOT be the nominee.

Hillary Clinton had very similar unfavorables, and it's early.

https://www.americarisingpac.org/new-poll-hillary-clintons-unfavorables-continue-to-spike/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 24, 2016, 06:52:41 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 24, 2016, 09:48:53 AM

Indeed, Trump is well on his way to a landslide:

Talk about bogus made as instructed main stream maniac media polls...

Wait till the following information that highlights the Corrupt Clintons Crime Cartel and the Massive Conflict of Interest peddling CGI Foundation activities:

Some real ammunition for Trump - crimes that were enabled by Hillary Clinton and why she needed a privately controlled server outside the sphere of Obama Administration State Department control:

http://www.investors.com/politics/editor...g-to-hide/

Clinton Email Scandal: Here’s One Thing Hillary Was Trying To Hide

Hillary Clinton seemed to spend as much time financially feeding her family's Clinton Foundation with foreign cash as she did protecting American interests as secretary of state. (Zuma Press/Newscom)

Corruption: Newly released documents reveal part of what Hillary Clinton was hoping to hide by using a personal email account for official government business. With the Clintons, it’s all about building an empire.

Judicial Watch released 276 documents Tuesday that had been obtained through one of its Freedom of Information Act lawsuits. Among the material are emails that show the State Department under Clinton was coordinating with the Clinton Foundation staff and how foreign governments sought favor through the intertwined State Department-Clinton Foundation link.

As we’ve said before, it looks as if Clinton used her job at the State Department to funnel cash into her family’s nonprofit organization.

The latest batch of emails shows that foreign interests in Libya and Syria were among the many that took advantage of the State’s close ties to the Clinton Foundation. It was previously discovered that governments in Algeria, Kuwait, Qatar and Oman made donations to the foundation in return for, as far as we can tell, favorable treatment by the State Department.

Judicial Watch reminds us that the Clinton Foundation has “accepted millions of dollars from at least seven foreign governments while Mrs. Clinton served as secretary of state,” including “a $500,000 donation it received from the government of Algeria while Mrs. Clinton served as secretary of state (that) violated a 2008 ethics agreement between the foundation and the Obama administration.”

In all, nearly 200 Clinton Foundation donors have played politics with Clinton’s State Department, and it’s known, as we’ve reported, that at least 60 companies that lobbied the State Department while Clinton was there donated more than $26 million to the Foundation.

The Libya connection, by the way, was made just two days after the Sept. 11, 2012, terrorists attacks on U.S. personnel and grounds in Benghazi. The message was focused on the wish of Mohamed Yusuf al-Magariaf, president of Libya’s National Congress, “to meet President Clinton and to participate at the Clinton Global Initiative meeting for New York.” It was forwarded to Clinton’s chief of staff, Cheryl Mills, by the Clinton Foundation’s director of foreign policy, Amitabh Desai.

It seems to us the conversation should have been about the Benghazi attacks instead. Four Americans were killed, including the first U.S. ambassador killed by hostiles since 1979, and the murderers were running loose. Shouldn’t their capture have been a higher-priority topic? But at that point, Clinton was probably in her what-difference-does-it-make stage of grief.

The Clintons like to talk about their commitment to public service. Their commitment, however, is to the Clintons. Power (eight more years in the White House, if Hillary is elected in November), money and celebrity are their obsessions. The Clintons are, of course, free to pursue money and celebrity. But the American people shouldn’t have to pay for their ambitions.

###

CGI = Clinton Global Initiative

OUI = Obama Universal Initiative

Obama wants to follow in Clintons wealth creation footsteps which is why it is quite likely Obama will pre-pardon both Clintons so that they will instruct their key advisors to help Obama create his own OUI foundation likely separate from Michelle who is rumored to be planning to divorce BHO as a traitor to USA interests once both of their daughters are in University.

That does not mean that team Trump should not prosecute the Clinton Crime Cartel in the court of public opinion and to the fullest extent of the law. All of these facts must be crafted into hard hitting and TRUE attack ads against Hillary as she has the vast numeric delegate advantage to be the DEMs candidate over Bernie. The TRUE aspects of the attack ads will make them devastatingly effective. Hillary Cunning Clinton did not set up her own servers for the benefit of the US State Department - she set them up for the purpose of enabling her own sinister mercenary benefit in violation of numerous federal laws that are felonies with severe penalties and no one is above the Law.

Obama is clearly protecting Hillary here for many evil reasons.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 24, 2016, 06:56:01 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 24, 2016, 03:14:51 PM

49% of Americans are "scared" of a Trump Presidency.

Unfavorables up to 69%

I say again, if he doesn't get 1237, he will NOT be the nominee.

Looks like 1,237 magic number in the bag along with more than a few other tricks:

Some good news - the Trend is Trump's Friend:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/...asies.html

Q Poll blows a hole in GOP convention fantasies

Q POLL BLOWS A HOLE IN GOP CONVENTION FANTASIES
The argument that somehow Donald Trump can be denied the Republican nomination has gotten thinner than the ham in a sandwich at the state penitentiary.

A new Quinnipiac University poll out today says not only that Donald Trump has a 14-point lead on Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, but that without Ohio Gov. John Kasich in the race, Cruz still trails by 9-points. Prior polling showed that in head-to-head matchups, other candidates trumped Trump, so this is something new.

At the same time, however, Trump continues to struggle where it matters most. While Trump can certainly celebrate his 23-point margin of victory in Arizona, the fact that he could only muster 14 percent of the vote in ultra-conservative Utah is not a good sign.

Here’s the new reality for the Republican Party: As of now, you have a presumptive nominee whether you like it or not.

One thing that is not different in this Q poll is Trump runs the worst against his Democratic counterpart, Hillary Clinton. Last month, the survey found Trump trailing Clinton by a single point, now it is six. That reflects the judgment of every other national survey taken this month that shows Trump getting creamed by margins ranging from 5 points to 13 points.

It may not matter.

Looking ahead in the primary calendar, it is hard to see how Trump could be denied. While, the remaining third of the delegates aren’t guaranteed to Trump, there is a lot of good terrain ahead for the frontrunner: New York, New Jersey, and most of all, California. All promise good things for Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 24, 2016, 06:58:19 PM

Ted the Snake waves the bible with one hand and plants his python with the other:

NOTE: source is the National Enquirer known to pay 6 figure sums for verifiable and TRUE dirt on celebs and cocked up cuckservative politicians.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 24, 2016, 08:33:47 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 24, 2016, 06:52:41 PM

Talk about bogus made as instructed main stream maniac media polls...

Do you think that they are all fixed?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 24, 2016, 08:58:03 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 24, 2016, 11:09:53 AM

Assuming nothing of interest happens in the next 7 months.

The funnel shape is an aberration; that's why I posted it. The only way that this could be an accurate representation of voter sentiment would be if Trump's supporters have been jumping ship en masse but, given the nature of that demographic, that is unlikely. The Quinnipiac poll is probably closest to the truth. (They were amongst the few who called election 2012 correctly.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 24, 2016, 09:14:18 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 24, 2016, 06:58:19 PM

Ted the Snake waves the bible with one hand and plants his python with the other../

You may be closer to the truth than you know.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 24, 2016, 10:49:12 PM

It Cometh from the Pit: And Hath a Knout
By Fred Reed
March 25, 2016

Once upon a time, there was a fairy kingdom that lived inside a place called The Beltway and was surrounded on all four sides by a land called America. The Beltway was aligned with another kingdom called Manhattan, inhabited by disembodied heads that spoke from the walls of bars, and with yet another closed kingdom called Hollywood, the abode of half-educated narcissists. These kingdoms were in eternal political syzygy and spoke not with the people of the surrounding lands, of whom they knew nothing. The following is a chronicle of what befell them, and why.

After years of peace, the Kingdoms were taken greatly aback by the rise of the Trump Monster, their surprise being proof that they knew nothing of the surrounding lands. They knew nothing for good reasons, of which there were two. The first was that they passed their lives with each other and among each other and talking to each other and writing about each other and reading about each other behind the high walls of their kingdoms. In organs like National Review and The Weekly Standard they endlessly wrote stories of the form “A soothsayer in Manhattan replies to what some other sayer of sooths said about yet another’s attack on someone else.”

They had all dwelt in monasteries called Harvard and Princeton, where they learned that they were the wisest of men, and inerrant. They had no idea that they were hated in the strange lands without the walls, which on their maps were drawn as fog with notations such as “Here dwelleth dragons.” They did not know that there were people who agreed not with them. For were they not right about all things?

The other reason for their puzzlement was a powerful spell called “Political Correctness.” This strong magic prevented the outlanders from saying anything that the Three Kingdoms did not want to hear. Anyone who engaged incantations called “slurs,” which were truthful thoughts about sacred tribes, or who said Inappropriate Things about a certain little country whose only importance was being that little country, was thrown into durance vile. Thus, the Three Kingdoms never heard anything they didn’t like, and so believed that almost everyone without the walls loved them. They had scarce an idea what furies were roiling and boiling and stirring under the surface of the Outer Realms.

Now, until the Trump Monster appeared, the America was ruled by a pseudo-democracy of one bicephalous party with two names. The Only Party consisted of blackguards and Quislings and pickpockets bought and paid for by the plutocratic oligarchy of large corporations, AIPAC, and the. very rich. These told the two halves of the One Party what to do. Every four years there was played a great tournament in which candidates of the Two Names of the One Party engaged in the most savage combat imaginable. This was to distract the people outside the walls . Afterwards, nothing changed and all went on as before though the division of the spoils shifted a bit.

And in their ignorance and pride, the Three Kingdoms engendered a monster called Trump, and it bit them.

The Only Party had always controlled the villeins because it controlled the choice of pretenders to the throne. A pretender gained the Presidency by buying it, and the rich who provided that money controlled as vassals those who accepted it. The pretenders were as straw and melons sold in a market.

Furthermore, the scribes and oracles of the Kingdoms said aloud only those things that were meet for the surrounding peasantry to hear. The puissant spell of Political Correctness amounted to a societal mute button and prevented the Holy Orders within the Three Kingdoms from noticing what stirred without.

Until the Trump Monster came raging, slouching toward Bethlehem, with which the Kingdoms confused themselves.

And there was afright and desperation and rending of teeth and gnashing of hair for many were the rice bowls threatened.

The darkest of horrors was that the serfs might come to choose the manner of their government. For long years, the Bicephalous Party had presided over that most desirable form of democracy in which the people had no power. This laudable state they had maintained by never talking about anything of substance, such as unending wars in remote lands beyond the edges of the maps, or the importation of slaves from curious and unwholesome countries or the manufactures of all things by foreign dwarves.

A great broil ensured. The people saw for the first time a chance to manage their destinies and rose up for the Trump Monster. Inside the Beltway, the Wise and Good–for did they not so denominate themselves?–were greatly astonished. “What manner of wight can this be?” they asked in wonder. They said that the Trump Monster was beguiling fools, the cracked, and those who represented the worst in America. And the scribes and oracles were sore afraid, for most of the outlying populace appeared to belong to these tribes.

One of the Two Names of the One Party, the Democrats, sent forth a dreadful creature called Hillary to fight in single combat with the Trump Monster. Her very visage turned men to stone, it was said. She was held to be of one blood with Boadicea, Jeanne d’Arc, Lucretia Borgia, and Bonnie Parker.

The Three Kingdoms were at one with her, as she was corrupt, mendacious, criminal, and ugly, as well as suffering coughing fits and dizzy spells. Surely, said the scribes and oracles, any monster must fly screaming from her mere presence.

Yet it seemed that the Trump was no common monster. Every time he was beset by the scribes and oracles of the Beltway, he grew stronger, and a sulfurous smoke breathed from his mouth. With drawn swords the Trump Monster and the crumbling ruin yclept Hillary circled each other.

And beyond the parapets and crenellations of the Three Kingdoms the sky grew darker. Inside the Beltway and in Manhattan, the disembodied heads railed and raged, but with every blast, the helots jointed the Trump Monster in larger numbers, for they hated the Insiders. In Hollywood, the Half-Educated Narcissists said ever more stupid things, but these had not their usual effect.

In their pride, the Three Kingdoms had engendered Nemesis, and they watched in terror behind the ramparts as the sky grew darker and strange shapes twisted in the looming clouds and the Trump Monster strode ever nearer, breathing fire.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on March 24, 2016, 11:21:37 PM

Blatant Troll post deleted.

Leslied

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 06:57:42 AM

I highly recommend Andrewfi, Cuffy, Slumba, Westy, Maxx and Anteros listen to this broadcast.

Yesterday (3-24-2016) on Mark Levin's radio show he had a 10 minute discussion on the history and rules of the Republican Party Convention that was very educational and enlightening. He related FACTS about the rules of the Party and how they apply to this year's election. It was outstanding - one of the best commentaries I've ever heard.

I would STRONGLY encourage you to listen to this part of the podcast and return to this discussion wiser and better informed.

It was at the very beginning of the third hour of his broadcast on 3-24 and went on for about 10 minutes.

I'll try to post a link as soon as possible.

OK here it is:
https://audioboom.com/boos/4347731-3-24-16-mark-levin-audio-rewind?t=0
The meaningful discussion starts exactly at the 1:29 mark and goes to 1:39.30.
Note: From 1:39.30 to 1:46.30 is pretty interesting as well. Listen if you have time.

PLEASE TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND LISTEN TO THIS!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 25, 2016, 08:50:02 AM

If there is any truth to this (see reply #1875), an eventual Cruz endorsement for Trump won't be worth much:

http://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/blogs/news/94574273-8-things-you-need-to-know-about-ted-cruzs-sex-scandal

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 25, 2016, 09:10:47 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 06:57:42 AM

I highly recommend Andrewfi, Cuffy, Slumba, Westy, Maxx and Anteros listen to this broadcast.

Yesterday (3-24-2016) on Mark Levin's radio show he had a 10 minute discussion on the history and rules of the Republican Party Convention that was very educational and enlightening. He related FACTS about the rules of the Party and how they apply to this year's election. It was outstanding - one of the best commentaries I've ever heard.

I would STRONGLY encourage you to listen to this part of the podcast and return to this discussion wiser and better informed.

It was at the very beginning of the third hour of his broadcast on 3-24 and went on for about 10 minutes.

I'll try to post a link as soon as possible.

OK here it is:
https://audioboom.com/boos/4347731-3-24-16-mark-levin-audio-rewind?t=0
The meaningful discussion starts exactly at the 1:29 mark and goes to 1:39.30.
Note: From 1:39.30 to 1:46.30 is pretty interesting as well. Listen if you have time.

PLEASE TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND LISTEN TO THIS!

A funny line by Mark Levin:

Donald Trump has a tweeting problem. He tweets like he has Tourette's. :laugh: (I agree-take away the tweets, hire a professional speechwriter, and stick to it, Donald)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 25, 2016, 09:15:39 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 25, 2016, 08:50:02 AM

If there is any truth to this (see reply #1875), an eventual Cruz endorsement for Trump won't be worth much:

http://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/blogs/news/94574273-8-things-you-need-to-know-about-ted-cruzs-sex-scandal

Hubris, marvelous stuff, more poisonous than alcohol, crack cocaine or heroin!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 25, 2016, 09:20:46 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 06:57:42 AM

I highly recommend Andrewfi, Cuffy, Slumba, Westy, Maxx and Anteros listen to this broadcast.

Yesterday (3-24-2016) on Mark Levin's radio show he had a 10 minute discussion on the history and rules of the Republican Party Convention that was very educational and enlightening. He related FACTS about the rules of the Party and how they apply to this year's election. It was outstanding - one of the best commentaries I've ever heard.

I would STRONGLY encourage you to listen to this part of the podcast and return to this discussion wiser and better informed.

It was at the very beginning of the third hour of his broadcast on 3-24 and went on for about 10 minutes.

I'll try to post a link as soon as possible.

OK here it is:
https://audioboom.com/boos/4347731-3-24-16-mark-levin-audio-rewind?t=0
The meaningful discussion starts exactly at the 1:29 mark and goes to 1:39.30.
Note: From 1:39.30 to 1:46.30 is pretty interesting as well. Listen if you have time.

PLEASE TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND LISTEN TO THIS!

I did listen to it. OK he makes good points.

Most of the examples he cites were low-%age candidates; though he does mention a guy that came in with 41% of delegates.

It may not matter, depending on what is going on with Ted Cruz.

If (I think it is true) that Ted Cruz had 5 mistresses, including a hooker, and then used campaign $$$ to pay off anyone, he's toast IMHO.

(BTW I would point out, apropos of nothing, that Levin's future son in law, works for Cruz; not saying that he is wrong in anything he said however.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 25, 2016, 09:27:43 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 25, 2016, 09:10:47 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 06:57:42 AM
I highly recommend Andrewfi, Cuffy, Slumba, Westy, Maxx and Anteros listen to this broadcast.

Yesterday (3-24-2016) on Mark Levin's radio show he had a 10 minute discussion on the history and rules of the Republican Party Convention that was very educational and enlightening. He related FACTS about the rules of the Party and how they apply to this year's election. It was outstanding - one of the best commentaries I've ever heard.

I would STRONGLY encourage you to listen to this part of the podcast and return to this discussion wiser and better informed.

It was at the very beginning of the third hour of his broadcast on 3-24 and went on for about 10 minutes.

I'll try to post a link as soon as possible.

OK here it is:
https://audioboom.com/boos/4347731-3-24-16-mark-levin-audio-rewind?t=0
The meaningful discussion starts exactly at the 1:29 mark and goes to 1:39.30.
Note: From 1:39.30 to 1:46.30 is pretty interesting as well. Listen if you have time.

PLEASE TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND LISTEN TO THIS!

A funny line by Mark Levin:

Donald Trump has a tweeting problem. He tweets like he has Tourette's. :laugh: (I agree-take away the tweets, hire a professional speechwriter, and stick to it, Donald)

I listened to this and it's all about the fact that the super PAC which put out the semi-naked photo of Melania Trump cannot under Federal Law have any contact with Ted Cruz's campaign, etc. Nothing about Republican rules which will allow for the contested convention (I believe Shakespear in the first place, so it's a non-issue to me).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 25, 2016, 09:38:13 AM

Yes, we know, in order to get in on the first round he needs a majority. Do you honestly think I don't know that? Please...

I thought you were linking to something worthwhile. If YOU learned from this then you need to do some catching up with the rest of us!

If there's a brokered convention, which is a real possibility then somebody else might end up being selected as a 'stronger' candidate than Trump. Shakespear, put on your thinking cap, tell us, who is this person? Where is he (or she)?

There's nothing new in that podcast to anyone here, please don't waste my time by suggesting, in future, something that you know we already know.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 25, 2016, 10:03:22 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 06:57:42 AM

I highly recommend Andrewfi, Cuffy, Slumba, Westy, Maxx and Anteros listen to this broadcast.

Yesterday (3-24-2016) on Mark Levin's radio show he had a 10 minute discussion on the history and rules of the Republican Party Convention that was very educational and enlightening. He related FACTS about the rules of the Party and how they apply to this year's election. It was outstanding - one of the best commentaries I've ever heard.

I would STRONGLY encourage you to listen to this part of the podcast and return to this discussion wiser and better informed.

It was at the very beginning of the third hour of his broadcast on 3-24 and went on for about 10 minutes.

I'll try to post a link as soon as possible.

OK here it is:
https://audioboom.com/boos/4347731-3-24-16-mark-levin-audio-rewind?t=0
The meaningful discussion starts exactly at the 1:29 mark and goes to 1:39.30.
Note: From 1:39.30 to 1:46.30 is pretty interesting as well. Listen if you have time.

PLEASE TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND LISTEN TO THIS!

Okay, I finally got to the part you wanted us to listen to. Very interesting. It took some 36 votes and then Garfield was put forward way back when. He had not been in the primaries but he won the general.

Starts at 1:29 and goes to 1:39

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 10:52:10 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 25, 2016, 08:50:02 AM

If there is any truth to this (see reply #1875), an eventual Cruz endorsement for Trump won't be worth much:

http://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/blogs/news/94574273-8-things-you-need-to-know-about-ted-cruzs-sex-scandal

With such an impeccable source, it must be absolutely true.
(:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 25, 2016, 10:55:32 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 10:52:10 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 25, 2016, 08:50:02 AM
If there is any truth to this (see reply #1875), an eventual Cruz endorsement for Trump won't be worth much:

http://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/blogs/news/94574273-8-things-you-need-to-know-about-ted-cruzs-sex-scandal

With such an impeccable source, it must be absolutely true.
(:)

National Enquirer was the one that brought down Edwards, Gary Hart (long ago), and a few others.

Supposedly Breitbart had the story, but, Breitbart is funded by pro-Cruz owners, so...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 10:57:08 AM

Fox News just reported:

Cruz leads Clinton in millennial voters (under 35 age) by 14%

Clinton leads Trump in millennial voters (under 35 age) by 20%

How many facts have to hit you square in the face before you come to the conclusion that you guy is non electable in the general Election?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 11:00:36 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 25, 2016, 09:38:13 AM

Yes, we know, in order to get in on the first round he needs a majority. Do you honestly think I don't know that? Please...

My purpose was to educate you to the historical facts of the Republican Party Convention and how frequently it happens that the guy with the most votes in the Primary Elections does not get the eventual nomination.

It was a fact that clearly escaped you in the previous discussion.

Apparently that shortcoming has now been corrected.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 25, 2016, 11:08:26 AM

Shakespear, where do you get that silly idea from. I learned to read many years ago and have never forgotten the skill.

You were claiming that we would learn some marvelous stuff about the rules of the convention, We learned no such thing. Please do not waste our time with such silliness. Having a bloke bloviating in a mindless repetition of the same well known and obvious fact is hardly the route to the insights of the century.

So, given that we already knew this stuff, but you were amazed to discover it, who do you think is going to be MORE popular with the electorate than Trump is currently? Because as we already know, the only reason why a brokered convention would have a purpose is, as your repetitious 'authority' told us several times, to provide a candidate more likely to win the general election than the front running candidate from the state level conventions.

Who is this paragon?
Why is he or she not already standing for election?

Is this bloke, your authority figure, an exemplar of the level of discussion of events of the day over there? Is he the best that you can offer for insightful political analysis? Is what that bloke offers what passes for informed discussion of serious events of the day? :rolleye0009:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 11:08:58 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 25, 2016, 10:03:22 AM

Okay, I finally got to the part you wanted us to listen to. Very interesting. It took some 36 votes and then Garfield was put forward way back when. He had not been in the primaries but he won the general.

Starts at 1:29 and goes to 1:39

Bingo. Think about it. . . . . . . . . . .

Trump will not get the nomination if he doesn't get 1237 on the first ballot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 25, 2016, 12:18:56 PM

Why A Hillary Clinton Presidency Would Destroy The United States

http://www.returnofkings.com/83733/why-a-hillary-clinton-presidency-would-destroy-the-united-states

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 12:19:24 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 25, 2016, 11:08:26 AM

Who is this paragon?
Why is he or she not already standing for election?

What an obvious question.

Based on a consensus of the polls, Hillary Clinton is a very weak candidate. The only person who is weaker in a national election is Donald Trump. So the answer to your question is basically anybody but Donald Trump.

If Trump gets 1236 and he is not the nominee, his voters ARE NOT getting disenfranchised. That means 1238 wanted somebody else and at the Republican Convention, the majority rules.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 12:23:46 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 25, 2016, 12:18:56 PM

Why A Hillary Clinton Presidency Would Destroy The United States

http://www.returnofkings.com/83733/why-a-hillary-clinton-presidency-would-destroy-the-united-states

We agree. So why don't you back somebody who has a good chance of actually beating her in the General Election?

Why do you continue to back a misogynistic, racist, hate monger who is non-electable in a General Election?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 25, 2016, 12:37:32 PM

Did George Soros Rig The Utah Vote To Help Ted Cruz Defeat Donald Trump?
Analyzing Cruz's mysterious Utah victory...

http://www.returnofkings.com/83773/did-george-soros-rig-the-utah-vote-to-help-ted-cruz-defeat-donald-trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 25, 2016, 12:41:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 12:23:46 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 25, 2016, 12:18:56 PM
Why A Hillary Clinton Presidency Would Destroy The United States

http://www.returnofkings.com/83733/why-a-hillary-clinton-presidency-would-destroy-the-united-states

We agree. So why don't you back somebody who has a good chance of actually beating her in the General Election?

Why do you continue to back a misogynistic, racist, hate monger who is non-electable in a General Election?

Shakes astounding that your rhetoric is amazingly similar to the Anti-American Open Borders George Soros MoveOn.org Globalist elitists... You yourself do have options you can give up your US passport and accept Russian Citizenship and problems solved for you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on March 25, 2016, 12:48:00 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 25, 2016, 12:41:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on March 25, 2016, 12:18:56 PM
Why A Hillary Clinton Presidency Would Destroy The United States

http://www.returnofkings.com/83733/why-a-hillary-clinton-presidency-would-destroy-the-united-states

We agree. So why don't you back somebody who has a good chance of actually beating her in the General Election?

Why do you continue to back a misogynistic, racist, hate monger who is non-electable in a General Election?

Shakes astounding that your rhetoric is amazingly similar to the Anti-American Open Borders George Soros MoveOn.org Globalist elitists... You yourself do have options you can give up your US passport and accept Russian Citizenship and problems solved for you.

Easier said than done...

First of all, he would need to change his name to something akin to Shakespearovich... :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 25, 2016, 12:51:20 PM

Outside of the Social Communists feeling the Bern and the Obamunists for a Barak third term with Hitlery, and far right born again evangelicals for Lying Ted - the majority of patriotic Americans feel exactly what Trump says - they just do not want to be fired by their Obamunist overseer bosses due to real repercussions from not following the Politically Correct power party lines.

I predict that with snake oil Ted, Criminal Cartel Hillary, Commie Socialist Berns, Delusional in Denial Kasich, Donald J. Trump our only anti-Globalist true American Patriotic Nationalist will be the next POTUS and leader of the free world.

President Trump, get used to it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 01:27:19 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 25, 2016, 10:55:32 AM

National Enquirer was the one that brought down Edwards, Gary Hart (long ago), and a few others.

Supposedly Breitbart had the story, but, Breitbart is funded by pro-Cruz owners, so...

I'd be astounded if his vetting to this point hadn't uncovered these accusations.

Accordingly I think the accusations are dubious.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 25, 2016, 01:38:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 01:27:19 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 25, 2016, 10:55:32 AM
National Enquirer was the one that brought down Edwards, Gary Hart (long ago), and a few others.

Supposedly Breitbart had the story, but, Breitbart is funded by pro-Cruz owners, so...

I'd be astounded if his vetting to this point hadn't uncovered these accusations.

Accordingly I think the accusations are dubious.

I think it is true, but, it makes sense to wait a bit; right now they are "allegations" .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on March 25, 2016, 01:47:13 PM

Endless arguments on what cannot be predicted yet. At best it can be said that the Donald will get his required votes for the nomination. He has the polling to come off with more than he needs. There can always be an upset of course.

As to who would win in the general contest how can that really be predicted at this time? Once the other two jokers are gone you will have only Trump and whatever support he can glean from the other parties who are gone. That could be considerable especially depending on who runs against him.

HC has her own problems that can hurt her or destroy her in which case it can be Bernie.

Then it is a long time before the election and with Trump anything could happen. I believe he is holding back. Polls change with the wind and one should never say never. Myself, like many others would rather see the party destroyed than continue on as it has the last 30 years or so. It gets nowhere either way and sometimes you need to tear the house down to rebuild it correctly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 01:51:20 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 25, 2016, 01:38:40 PM

I think it is true, but, it makes sense to wait a bit; right now they are "allegations" .

Two of the identified 5 ladies have denied the allegations and have individually, but mutually described them as "tabloid trash"

They would be Katrina Pierson (who works for the Trump campaign) and Amanda Carpenter.

If asked to speculate, I'd say its a set-up from a desperate Trump who is hemorrhaging voter support by the hour.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 25, 2016, 02:06:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 01:51:20 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 25, 2016, 01:38:40 PM
I think it is true, but, it makes sense to wait a bit; right now they are "allegations" .

Two of the identified 5 ladies have denied the allegations and have individually, but mutually described them as "tabloid trash"

They would be Katrina Pierson (who works for the Trump campaign) and Amanda Carpenter.

If asked to speculate, I'd say its a set-up from a desperate Trump who is hemorrhaging voter support by the hour.

I will wait til Monday. By then more should be known.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 25, 2016, 02:17:09 PM

Quote from: bagalia on March 25, 2016, 01:47:13 PM

Endless arguments on what cannot be predicted yet. At best it can be said that the Donald will get his required votes for the nomination. He has the polling to come off with more than he needs. There can always be an upset of course.

As to who would win in the general contest how can that really be predicted at this time? Once the other two jokers are gone you will have only Trump and whatever support he can glean from the other parties who are gone. That could be considerable especially depending on who runs against him.

HC has her own problems that can hurt her or destroy her in which case it can be Bernie.

Then it is a long time before the election and with Trump anything could happen. I believe he is holding back. Polls change with the wind and one should never say never. Myself, like many others would rather see the party destroyed than continue on as it has the last 30 years or so. It gets nowhere either way and sometimes you need to tear the house down to rebuild it correctly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 02:47:16 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 25, 2016, 02:06:52 PM

I will wait til Monday. By then more should be known.

Anteros:

You asked me a question and I provided an honest answer.

Please give me the same courtesy. Do you believe Cruz had 5 affairs and that this news is just breaking now?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on March 25, 2016, 04:34:34 PM

Media is biased and over exaggerates. I would go with 3 out of 5.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 25, 2016, 05:17:23 PM

Stories like these do not come out over night. They take a lot of time to research and write, then there's the lawyering, fact checking and rewriting. The space in the magazine has to be booked into the editorial schedule and the creative work done. The latter is probably the fastest part of the job.

The whole process probably took weeks.

It now appears that the story has been known about for weeks, if not months. Even if Trump controlled the editorial levers at National Enquirer, which he doesn't, there's no way this story could have been released by them, at this time, as a consequence of Cruz's Superpac foolishness.

This story was coming out this week no matter what else was happening. The only choice would have been whether to spike it at the last minute. I don't know the publishing, printing and distribution schedule for the NE but if the story appeared yesterday then it would probably have been committed to irrevocably over the weekend of last week. That's before the Superpac as story broke.

As to veracity, the story will have had to pass extreme legal scrutiny and fact checking. The story will be as true as it is humanly possible to get it. The paper will have documentation for everything in the story and there's going to be material unprinted but also verified to enable at least one follow-up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on March 25, 2016, 05:38:49 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 25, 2016, 05:17:23 PM

Stories like these do not come out over night. They take a lot of time to research and write, then there's the lawyering, fact checking and rewriting. ..

The whole process probably took weeks.

It now appears that the story has been known about for weeks, if not months. Even if Trump controlled the editorial levers at National Enquirer, which he doesn't, there's no way this story could have been released by them, at this time, as a consequence of Cruz's Superpac foolishness.

As to veracity, the story will have had to pass extreme legal scrutiny and fact checking.

Does all this mean Trump's team are a little more careful than some - when it comes to making stuff up about someone - because they 'pissed you off' ?

As we both know - people / publications have run stories that key people know to be untrue - hoping for some affirmation from a yet unknown third party

It is pretty sick and desperate tactic - normally used by people who can fund a legal fight - hoping the thought of a prolonged legal battle will frighten folk off - meanwhile - some mud might stick...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 25, 2016, 05:59:06 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 02:47:16 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 25, 2016, 02:06:52 PM
I will wait til Monday. By then more should be known.

Anteros:

You asked me a question and I provided an honest answer.

Please give me the same courtesy. Do you believe Cruz had 5 affairs and that this news is just breaking now?

You quoted Slumba and you've been having this conversation with Slumba. I had not given it much thought, but my answer is NO, I do not think Cruz has had any affairs. And to keep you honest, it was the little gossiper TomT who posted the story. I am in agreement with you that the story has no merit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 25, 2016, 08:46:50 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 25, 2016, 10:55:32 AM

Supposedly Breitbart had the story, but, Breitbart is funded by pro-Cruz owners, so...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 25, 2016, 09:04:33 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 25, 2016, 05:17:23 PM

It now appears that the story has been known about for weeks, if not months. Even if Trump controlled the editorial levers at National Enquirer, which he doesn't, there's no way this story could have been released by them, at this time, as a consequence of Cruz's Superpac foolishness.

Trump may have more influence at the National Enquirer than you think.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/10/trumps-alliance-with-the-national-enquirer.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 25, 2016, 10:07:00 PM

I have personally met Ted Cruz when he first announced he was running last June in Nashua NH - it was a small crowd and I wanted to be a supporter because i thought he was a patriotic conservative. However he mad my skin crawl he came off as scripted and all about talking points... since then it came out that he was a Canadian Citizen while a sitting US Senator and did not give up his Canadian passport until just before he filed papers to run for POTUS - obviously a calculation that dual citizenship with his birth country would be a liability. Then all of his dirty tricks in caucus states proved he was a snake along with his Globalist policies. Now the rumors are printed in a National Paper that has a track record for exposing the Truth about cheating Entertainers, Sports figures and politicians.

Do I think he likes to get a little something something on the side besides his overbearing obnoxious Goldman Sachs Director wife - ABSOPHOCKINGLUTELY.

Heidi is not some stay at home bake sale political wife - she is a director at a George Soros affiliated open borders Wall Street mega global financial that makes money taking both sides of trades against their clients and client countries knowing full well they are so big and powerful they can buy their way out of any crimes they commit. The fact Heidi is the power wife of an easily bought hack Senator working on combining the USA Canada and Mexico into a EU style trading block on the Amero currency sacrificing US Sovereignty to a Debt bondage System like the EU makes Cruz not only a globalist snake but a Traitor - as a Canadia Cuban he has no compunction to selling the USA down the river - cheating on his wife just comes natural.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 25, 2016, 10:27:33 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 25, 2016, 10:07:00 PM

I have personally met Ted Cruz when he first announced he was running last June in Nashua NH - it was a small crowd and I wanted to be a supporter because i thought he was a patriotic conservative. However he mad my skin crawl he came off as scripted and all about talking points... since then it came out that he was a Canadian Citizen while a sitting US Senator and did not give up his Canadian passport until just before he filed papers to run for POTUS - obviously a calculation that dual citizenship with his birth country would be a liability. Then all of his dirty tricks in caucus states proved he was a snake along with his Globalist policies. Now the rumors are printed in a National Paper that has a track record for exposing the Truth about cheating Entertainers, Sports figures and politicians.

Do I think he likes to get a little something something on the side besides his overbearing obnoxious Goldman Sachs Director wife - ABSOPHOCKINGLUTELY.

Heidi is not some stay at home bake sale political wife - she is a director at a George Soros affiliated open borders Wall Street mega global financial that makes money taking both sides of trades against their clients and client countries knowing full well they are so big and powerful they can buy their way out of any crimes they commit. The fact Heidi is the power wife of an easily bought hack Senator working on combining the USA Canada and Mexico into a EU style trading block on the Amero currency sacrificing US Sovereignty to a Debt bondage System like the EU makes Cruz not only a globalist snake but a Traitor - as a Canadia Cuban he has no compunction to selling the USA down the river - cheating on his wife just comes natural.

What did you have for breakfast? A bowl of hash? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 26, 2016, 01:42:59 AM

Tom, I read the article to which you linked. It changes nothing. In the article the process by which a contentious item is published was outlined. As you can see it mirrors what I told you already.

Even if an outside tip starts the process of creating a story, and that is absolutely normal, the investigation, fact checking, writing, legal analysis and scheduling are all in-house. They have to be because the price of publishing contentious gossip is very high. (see Gawker Media to get an idea of the risks publishers run).

Probably a majority of stories we see in magazines and newspapers originate as 'tips' to somebody in the organisation. Any high profile organisation would be able to contact outlets such as National Enquirer to place a story. Whether the story has legs, will get eyeballs and is legally justifiable denotes whether the piece gets published, not a friendship between two executives. For example, even if Trump talked to his mate at NE about Ben Carson's professional issues, nothing would have happened to it if the story were not factually true and of interest.

At the same time Cruise, Carson, Clinton and the rest will be passing on gossip and tid-bits to media outlets. In Russia they call this stuff 'kompromat'. If you are interested there's a useful coverage of the system and process in Joe Klein's novel Primary Colors. One of the characters has the nickname 'Dust buster' a reflection of her role in using media to both protect her client and attack his enemies through the use of kompromat.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 26, 2016, 01:47:17 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 25, 2016, 08:46:50 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 25, 2016, 10:55:32 AM
Supposedly Breitbart had the story, but, Breitbart is funded by pro-Cruz owners, so...

Notice that this supposed association was not going to stop publication. The scoop occurred because Team National Enquirer were ahead of the game.

The story was going to come out, the only question was when it would happen and who'd be the publisher.

Shakespear, that cognitive dissonance again! This is a trait, isn't it.
The lead time on a story like this is such that the situation you describe could not be possible.
However, what is any person, who was not named in the piece, going to say to suggestions that they are one of the people involved?
What would you say?
Unless you were a mentally deficient mong you'd deny it. The denial would come after having consulted ones legal representative but would almost certainly be untrue because the publisher will have ensured that the claims could be substantiated in court before making them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 26, 2016, 06:50:38 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 25, 2016, 05:17:23 PM

As to veracity, the story will have had to pass extreme legal scrutiny and fact checking. The story will be as true as it is humanly possible to get it. The paper will have documentation for everything in the story and there's going to be material unprinted but also verified to enable at least one follow-up.

This "paper" is much like "The Sun", "Daily Mirror" and "the Morning Star" in England.

I'm sure they have what they consider documentation. After all these are the guys that published the story about Hillary's Martian Love Child and George Sorros Miracle Fountain of Youth Drug.

These guys are schlocks. They will print anything, regardless of truth, so long as it generates more expected revenue in newspaper sales than they will eventually have to pay in lawsuit settlements.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 26, 2016, 12:50:29 PM

Gotta love this :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 26, 2016, 02:09:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 25, 2016, 02:47:16 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 25, 2016, 02:06:52 PM
I will wait til Monday. By then more should be known.

Anteros:

You asked me a question and I provided an honest answer.

Please give me the same courtesy. Do you believe Cruz had 5 affairs and that this news is just breaking now?

This is still confusing. Were you intending to address Slumba? Or did you intend to address me? Anyways I've answered the question, even though it was not clear who you were addressing it to.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 26, 2016, 02:09:32 PM

A black police officer in Arizona attends the Tucson Trump Rally (in plain clothes). He comes out with a favorable opinion of Trump and says that the people who were violent and disruptive were...the protesters.

"Donald Trump gained my respect." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/i-gained-a-lot-of-respect-for-donald-trump-black-police-officer-talks-trump-rally-experience/2016/03/21/b13de2a6-ef6f-11e5-a2a3-d4e9697917d1_video.html)

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 26, 2016, 02:21:37 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 26, 2016, 02:09:32 PM

A black police officer in Arizona attends the Tucson Trump Rally (in plain clothes). He comes out with a favorable opinion of Trump and says that the people who were violent and disruptive were...the protesters.

"Donald Trump gained my respect." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/i-gained-a-lot-of-respect-for-donald-trump-black-police-officer-talks-trump-rally-experience/2016/03/21/b13de2a6-ef6f-11e5-a2a3-d4e9697917d1_video.html)

B/B

Why am I not surprised? As usual the "liberal" media has been presenting a slanted version of the truth. I thought it was enlightening that they made an announcement to NOT be violent or react to the protestors, but to let security do their jobs. As long as Trump supporters stay out of the fray, they (the media and the establishment) will have a hard time blaming Donald for what happens.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 27, 2016, 08:36:43 AM

No, Shakespear, you are wrong. Think for a moment. If the allegations about Cruz are incorrect then he takes them to court and gets enough money that the paper would probably close down.

That's because of the damage that untrue allegations would demonstrably do to his election campaign. There's no plaintiff in a story about discovering a London bus on the surface of the moon.

While any legal opinion is just that, an opinion, you can be certain that because of the risks to the paper that NE will have done all that can be done to ensure that they have minimised the risks to an acceptable level. Those allegations are true. Moreover, as I said they would, the National Enquirer is now publishing the follow up story with additional information. The chances are that the follow up story was validated, made ready for publication, by the fallout from the first tranche of allegations.

Don't forget, we now know that the story has been floating around for many weeks. In and of itself that knowledge informs the credibility of the NE story. The story did not spring up out of nowhere. As with many things there were several people /organisations working on the same item. If it were a fantasy that would be most unlikely to be the case. The odds on several outlets working on the same fantasy at the same time are very low.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 27, 2016, 09:14:36 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 27, 2016, 08:36:43 AM

No, Shakespear, you are wrong. Think for a moment. If the allegations about Cruz are incorrect then he takes them to court and gets enough money that the paper would probably close down.

No Andrewfi, YOU ARE WRONG as you've been throughout this entire thread.

Cruz sues and the army of lawyers on retainer by The Enquirer delay and obfuscate for perhaps 10-15 years before it even sees the inside of a courtroom. Virtually all these cases are settled out of court for a fraction of the original amount of the suit.

It's all a game with these lowlifes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 27, 2016, 11:14:45 AM

Shakespear,

Just curious. If Trump does not get to the required 1237 delegates, but he makes a deal with Ted Cruz delegates, and they jump ship from Cruz to Trump in exchange for the VP ticket being Marco Rubio, would you consider voting for that ticket?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 27, 2016, 11:32:36 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 27, 2016, 11:14:45 AM

Shakespear,

Just curious. If Trump does not get to the required 1237 delegates, but he makes a deal with Ted Cruz delegates, and they jump ship from Cruz to Trump in exchange for the VP ticket being Marco Rubio, would you consider voting for that ticket?

Possibly.

But it isn't going to happen. The 'powers that be' don't want Trump or Cruz. They're using Cruz to try to stop Trump right now, but they'll pick and back a third candidate if 1237 isn't reached on the first ballot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 27, 2016, 12:30:47 PM

First, any Cruz lawsuit is "just for show". Even if he wins, he'd lose on appeal, b/c he's a public figure, and that's that. He will argue, threaten, etc., but true or not true, the damage is done. He's in fire-fighter mode, now.

Second, assuming that Trump doesn't get to 1237 - and I think he will - the only "unifying figure" in the GOP at the moment is Paul Ryan. He's the only guy I can think of who can appeal to the party establishment, and the far right....and the far right ain't so fond of him at the moment.

Third, there is a possibility of a "3rd party" nominee, either Trump if he is denied the nomination and isn't on board with the brokered result - and really, does anyone see this happening? Or the GOP runs an establishment moderate, hopes non of the candidates gets to 270 electoral votes in which case the election will be decided in the House, where the votes will be one per state, for one of the top 3 vote-getters. The GOP controls 33 state delegations, the Dems 14 and 3 are "tied" (Maine, New Jersey and New Hampshire), although it would be the new Congress who would cast the vote, but for ease of discussion, I will assume they remain the same.

The break-point would be 16.5, so one assumes that the most divided the GOP could get would be 17 votes for one guy, 16 votes for the other and 14 (all Dem) for the Pantsuit. That's where it gets interesting. What if, in the new Congress, the parties retain control of their existing delegations but the Dems sweep the three "tied" delegations? That would give them 17 state delegations and we might be looking at "President Cankles", depending on how sore loserish one of the other (hypothetical) two groups wants to be. I can almost see the establishment putting the fix in and tipping one or two states to H-Rod to prevent Trump.

Meanwhile, the Senate would choose the Vice President from the top two vote-getters, with each Senator having one vote, so, unless the Senate is evenly split, there would be a VP relatively quickly, who would then become 'Acting President' pending the House Election (which could take longer to shake out).

As the Senate may well switch over to the Dems, that might leave us with "Acting President Sanders" (although I doubt H-Rod would ever choose him as a running mate) whilst the House decides. If the Senate chooses a Dem but the House chooses a Republican, it gets even stranger. Would the elected VP then resign? Quite possibly, and then the chosen running mate of the winner - or another person - might be submitted for confirmation by the Senate. That person would also have to be confirmed by the House.

Hang on...this could really get weird.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 27, 2016, 01:27:03 PM

I am not a lawyer, and don't pretend to be one, but...
Is it not the case that the bar for a public figure, whilst higher than for a private individual, still set at a sensible level, that is something like this: the public figure must show that the claims made were made 'with malice', essentially that the claims were known to be untrue at the time of publication OR that the publication was reckless and without care for the truth of the statements?

On that basis, if the claims made about Cruz are untrue then why should a case raised by Cruz fail?

The damage to him as a person, his family and his career are all self evident - whether the claims are true or not!

However, one thing is true, his ship has been holed below the waterline, whatever the veracity of the claims. There's no walking back from this one, especially given his propensity to make reference to his religious and 'moral' code. Right now 'hypocricy thy name is Cruz' would seem to be the phrase that pays, for today.

Personally I think that the claims made are true. The self protection requirements of the National Enquirer, IMHO, mean that they'd not publish if they were not certain of their safety to do so. In addition, one is well aware of the massive sense of hubris and entitlement that some people carry around with them. Sexual corruption is just one form of corruption that power enables.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on March 27, 2016, 01:37:22 PM

My first post on this thread -

The revelations about Cruz's sex life will end his bid for the Republican nomination.

There is enough substance to these allegations for the the mud to stick...

Liberal Democrats may forgive marital infidelity, but in my personal experience Republican voters won't.

Kaisch has a mountain to climb. Does he have enough time?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 27, 2016, 02:06:08 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 27, 2016, 12:30:47 PM

Third, there is a possibility of a "3rd party" nominee, either Trump if he is denied the nomination and isn't on board with the brokered result - and really, does anyone see this happening? Or the GOP runs an establishment moderate, hopes non of the candidates gets to 270 electoral votes in which case the election will be decided in the House, where the votes will be one per state, for one of the top 3 vote-getters. The GOP controls 33 state delegations, the Dems 14 and 3 are "tied" (Maine, New Jersey and New Hampshire), although it would be the new Congress who would cast the vote, but for ease of discussion, I will assume they remain the same.

The break-point would be 16.5, so one assumes that the most divided the GOP could get would be 17 votes for one guy, 16 votes for the other and 14 (all Dem) for the Pantsuit. That's where it gets interesting. What if, in the new Congress, the parties retain control of their existing delegations but the Dems sweep the three "tied" delegations? That would give them 17 state delegations and we might be looking at "President Cankles", depending on how sore loserish one of the other (hypothetical) two groups wants to be. I can almost see the establishment putting the fix in and tipping one or two states to H-Rod to prevent Trump.

Finally, somebody gets it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on March 27, 2016, 02:09:21 PM

Thia will be an election that will go down in history, perhaps a new season of material for house of cards. Imagine now a strong female VP for Trump...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 27, 2016, 02:10:22 PM

Quote from: leslied on March 27, 2016, 01:37:22 PM

My first post on this thread -

The revelations about Cruz's sex life will end his bid for the Republican nomination.

There is enough substance to these allegations for the the mud to stick...

I predict these accusations will be totally forgotten in two weeks

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 27, 2016, 02:14:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 27, 2016, 11:32:36 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 27, 2016, 11:14:45 AM
Shakespear,

Just curious. If Trump does not get to the required 1237 delegates, but he makes a deal with Ted Cruz delegates, and they jump ship from Cruz to Trump in exchange for the VP ticket being Marco Rubio, would you consider voting for that ticket?

Possibly.

But it isn't going to happen. The 'powers that be' don't want Trump or Cruz. They're using Cruz to try to stop Trump right now, but they'll pick and back a third candidate if 1237 isn't reached on the first ballot.

Correct, the powers that be don't want Trump. But might they like him a lot more if his pick for VP was Rubio? This option sounds a lot easier and better than the options outlined by B/B.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on March 27, 2016, 02:23:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 27, 2016, 02:10:22 PM

Quote from: leslied on March 27, 2016, 01:37:22 PM
My first post on this thread -

The revelations about Cruz's sex life will end his bid for the Republican nomination.

There is enough substance to these allegations for the the mud to stick...

I predict these accusations will be totally forgotten in two weeks

You may well be right Shakey. The US electorate never ceases to amaze me.

I never imagined in my wildest dreams that the "Magic Nigger" would be elected president - TWICE :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 27, 2016, 02:33:49 PM

Nope, they will not be forgotten because they offer all that is required for publication and re-publication.

Has the American electorate become more dumb since Gary Hart?
Possibly, but not so much!

If these allegations are treated as true then Cruz is going to look like a huge hypocrite and USAians really don''t seem to like that - it is worse than being gay!

By the way, Trump is not the only significant actor here with access to the National Enquirer. If one were looking to cast blame (pointless because unlikely to be provable even if true) there's other more 'useful' places to look, however we know that other media outlets were working on this story going back many weeks so pointing at Team Trump is pointless, as well as being unlikely to be true.

Access to editorial staff simply is not an issue for a story such as this. Let's be realistic, if I were to go to pretty much any news outlet with a story like this, then as long as I had some evidence that could be corroborated, the story would be picked up for investigation. One needs influence to peddle untrue, or boring, stories. Salacious, true, expose's will always have readership and not need high level influence to find a home.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 27, 2016, 02:38:03 PM

Alexandr Dugin endorses Trump?

http://www.glennbeck.com/2016/03/17/russian-radical-alexsandr-dugin-endorses-trump/?platform=hootsuite

quote

"Dugin gave a speech in English after Super Tuesday 2 the other day, which is significant. He typically gives his speeches in Russian, but he wanted to make sure America heard him. “Trump is the voice of the real right-wing in America, which in effect, doesn’t care about foreign policy and American hegemony,” Dugin said. “It only cares about the Second Amendment and the good old traditions of the single-storied or at least two-storied America: A predictable way of life on the range and expressing freedom wherever they like, but not how the liberals describe it. It shows that America is on the brink of a revolution, especially if the elite won’t give the power to people.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 27, 2016, 02:58:40 PM

Experts say that Ted Cruz appears deceptive in his response to the allegations.

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/behavior-experts-ted-cruz-appears-deceptive-in-response-to-sex-scandal/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 27, 2016, 03:37:27 PM

Quote from: leslied on March 27, 2016, 02:23:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 27, 2016, 02:10:22 PM
Quote from: leslied on March 27, 2016, 01:37:22 PM
My first post on this thread -

The revelations about Cruz's sex life will end his bid for the Republican nomination.

There is enough substance to these allegations for the the mud to stick...

I predict these accusations will be totally forgotten in two weeks

If Cruz had a different base that would likely happen. But he now can no longer take the high road and say I Christian and Trump is a low life who bring in foreign wives. This will hurt his image. Also Cruz will have to explain all of these statements where he blamed Trump for the story. Voter will wonder what else is he wrong about.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 27, 2016, 04:07:20 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on March 27, 2016, 03:37:27 PM

If Cruz had a different base that would likely happen. But he now can no longer take the high road and say I Christian and Trump is a low life who bring in foreign wives. This will hurt his image. Also Cruz will have to explain all of these statements where he blamed Trump for the story. Voter will wonder what else is he wrong about.

I'm not so certain he was wrong.

What is for certain is that Trump lied when he said Cruz was responsible for the nude pictures of his wife being re-published. But people don't seem to care whether Trump is caught dead-to-rights in a lie anyway.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 27, 2016, 04:24:48 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 27, 2016, 01:27:03 PM

I am not a lawyer, and don't pretend to be one, but...

There's a long version and a short version. The short version is, theoretically yes, but practically no. As a practical matter, it is well nigh impossible for a public figure (and Cruz as a Senator and presidential candidate certainly is a public figure for all purposes) to win a defamation case. I doubt Ted will sue, but I could be wrong. /shrugs.

Quote from: leslied on March 27, 2016, 01:37:22 PM

Kaisch has a mountain to climb. Does he have enough time?

Short answer: No. To win outright, which is basically the only way he wins, he'd require more delegates than remain to be won.

Long answer: Start adding in Cruz', Rubio's delegates, etc., still probably not, as why would they want to hand them over? Maye if Cruz is so damaged he has to give up entirely and Kasich cuts a deal with Rubio and they can cobble together a ticket. I still don't see it happening.

Quote from: shakespear on March 27, 2016, 02:06:08 PM

Finally, somebody gets it.

I think that would be the worst possible outcome, even worse than a Trump presidency.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 27, 2016, 04:34:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 27, 2016, 04:07:20 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on March 27, 2016, 03:37:27 PM

If Cruz had a different base that would likely happen. But he now can no longer take the high road and say I Christian and Trump is a low life who bring in foreign wives. This will hurt his image. Also Cruz will have to explain all of these statements where he blamed Trump for the story. Voter will wonder what else is he wrong about.

I'm not so certain he was wrong.

What is for certain is that Trump lied when he said Cruz was responsible for the nude pictures of his wife being re-published. But people don't seem to care whether Trump is caught dead-to-rights in a lie anyway.

George Soros is putting big money on Hillary Clinton's run for president.
Most likely funding the chaos taking place in the republican side at the moment.

Guess Who's Funding the Anti-Trump Protests

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/guess-whos-funding-anti-trump-protests/ri13581

George Soros donates $8 million to boost Hillary

The billionaire financier had dialed back his political giving after his failed 2004 effort to oust George W. BushRead more:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/hillary-clinton-george-soros-218494#ixzz4491sQ86N Follow us: @politico on Twitter | Politico on Facebookhttp://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/hillary-clinton-george-soros-218494

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 27, 2016, 04:34:54 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 27, 2016, 04:24:48 PM

I think that would be the worst possible outcome, even worse than a Trump presidency.

People in Washington who I think are well informed tell me that the Republicans have basically given up on the election. They're more interested in getting the establishment back in charge of the Republican Party. The want to make sure they're not going to lose the Senate. I think if Trump would somehow get 1237 (unlikely) they would run a third party candidate to keep him out, hope that nobody gets 270 and rely on the establishment in the House to set things right. If he doesn't, they'd select who they think has the best chance of beating Hillary and take their chances with the electorate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 27, 2016, 05:10:56 PM

LOL The GOP made all the candidates take a loyalty oath that they would support the party nominee and now they are violating their own oath now that Trump is the front runner...

Trump should hire some of Cruz and Rubio's party operatives to out maneuver Cruz and Kasich who think they may win the 2nd or 3rd round of votes - well looks like Cruz slick trail of sleaze has come back to bite his Cuban-Canadian butt:

http://www.conservativeoutfitters.com/blogs/news/94574273-8-things-you-need-to-know-about-ted-cruzs-sex-scandal

Between 5 to 8 Biscuits that Ted was buttering besides the wifey... gives new meaning to a bible thumper, bumper and humper.

So now it's just Trump, Kasich and GOP back door shenanigans.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 27, 2016, 08:21:09 PM

Donald Trump and his daughter Ivanka have just gotten an Easter surprise. Ivanka gave birth to her son a few hours after an Easter brunch.

http://celebritybabies.people.com/2016/03/27/ivanka-trump-welcomes-son-theodore-james/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 27, 2016, 09:39:33 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 27, 2016, 04:34:54 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 27, 2016, 04:24:48 PM
I think that would be the worst possible outcome, even worse than a Trump presidency.

People in Washington who I think are well informed tell me that the Republicans have basically given up on the election. They're more interested in getting the establishment back in charge of the Republican Party. The want to make sure they're not going to lose the Senate. I think if Trump would somehow get 1237 (unlikely) they would run a third party candidate to keep him out, hope that nobody gets 270 and rely on the establishment in the House to set things right. If he doesn't, they'd select who they think has the best chance of beating Hillary and take their chances with the electorate.

The hubris of these "establishment" people who feel that their wishes are above the wishes of the people is astounding. If Kasich had dropped out before Ohio then Trump would already have the nomination pretty much guaranteed. But what we have here is some "elites" who think that their knowledge and wishes are far more important than the wishes of the people.

This is why Trump and his supporters are going to leave scorched earth if he is somehow denied the nomination. Shame on the old Republican guard.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 27, 2016, 10:12:09 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 27, 2016, 08:21:09 PM

Donald Trump and his daughter Ivanka have just gotten an Easter surprise.

Here I was assuming that Jared was the father...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 27, 2016, 10:45:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 27, 2016, 04:34:54 PM

People in Washington who I think are well informed tell me that the Republicans have basically given up on the election. They're more interested in getting the establishment back in charge of the Republican Party.

Can't have the Proles thinking for themselves. :coffeeread:

I'd be pretty happy the the GOP "Establishment" started doing more things that the rank and file want, like lower taxes, less spending and more limited government.....if they had, they wouldn't be facing the rebellion that they are now.

Quote from: shakespear on March 27, 2016, 04:34:54 PM

The want to make sure they're not going to lose the Senate.

A laudable goal, but the script flips in '18 and the Dems will be defending 24 seats and the GOP 8. If the Pantsuit wins, I fully expect there will be many Dem scalps taken in the mid-terms.

Quote from: shakespear on March 27, 2016, 04:34:54 PM

I think if Trump would somehow get 1237 (unlikely) they would run a third party candidate to keep him out, hope that nobody gets 270 and rely on the establishment in the House to set things right. If he doesn't, they'd select who they think has the best chance of beating Hillary and take their chances with the electorate.

That word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

First, I think Trump wins the nomination. If he doesn't but he's within a couple of hundred, I think his supporters bail on the GOP and he runs as an independent. I don't think there's anything that they can do to buy him off like putting him on SCOTUS (Cruz) or making him VP (Rubio). Trump is a narcissist and a very needy man (from what I can tell). He's not particularly tied to the party. If he feels like he's been screwed, I think he runs as a 3rd party candidate. If the party run a candidate against him, we are going to see a schism - or should I say, we're going to see a bigger schism than we already are.

Cufflinks' point:

Quote from: cufflinks on March 27, 2016, 05:10:56 PM

LOL The GOP made all the candidates take a loyalty oath that they would support the party nominee and now they are violating their own oath now that Trump is the front runner...

...is well-taken. I happened to think about this the other day. I suspect that the GOP HQ is drawing up plans for increasing the number of superdelegates, if only for the next election, if not this one.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 27, 2016, 10:47:49 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 27, 2016, 08:21:09 PM

Donald Trump and his daughter Ivanka have just gotten an Easter surprise. Ivanka gave birth to her son a few hours after an Easter brunch.

Gotta love those E. European (or Central, but that's quibbling) genes; for a woman who has just given birth, she looks amazing.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 27, 2016, 10:55:02 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 27, 2016, 10:47:49 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 27, 2016, 08:21:09 PM
Donald Trump and his daughter Ivanka have just gotten an Easter surprise. Ivanka gave birth to her son a few hours after an Easter brunch.

Gotta love those E. European (or Central, but that's quibbling) genes; for a woman who has just given birth, she looks amazing.

B/B

Agree 100%! And to think Trump could have been an original member of this forum. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 27, 2016, 11:37:31 PM

https://twitter.com/SpeakUp4Trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 28, 2016, 12:05:54 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 27, 2016, 11:37:31 PM

https://twitter.com/SpeakUp4Trump

I love that link! Thank you Anteros for posting it! I like the one of 'Terminator 2 bad to the bone!' :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 28, 2016, 12:13:04 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 28, 2016, 12:05:54 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 27, 2016, 11:37:31 PM
https://twitter.com/SpeakUp4Trump

I love that link! Thank you Anteros for posting it! I like the one of 'Terminator 2 bad to the bone!' :ROFL:

That was my favorite one also. I'm glad that you liked the link! ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 28, 2016, 01:01:27 AM

A Video about the history and the Cruz national enquirer story.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 28, 2016, 01:18:44 AM

Ted Cruz and Amanda Carpenter have the exact Tattoos on their arms. Amanda say no affair but it really looks strange.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 28, 2016, 02:30:44 AM

I heard that Marco Rubio employed a detective to research this story. He was going to use this story to blackmail Cruz to prevent him from spreading the gay allegations of his youth. Then Marco dropped out. The detective then sold the story to The National Enquirer. There is something about a brother of one of the mistresses coming forward. BJs in a closet at the RNC, unattractive women photos of him coming out a restaurant and hotel with a woman/women that are not his wife.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on March 28, 2016, 05:33:08 AM

Interesting article by Kerry.

John Kerry: presidential campaign descending into 'embarrassment' for US (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/27/john-kerry-presidential-campaign-embarrassment-cruz-trump)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 28, 2016, 05:45:57 AM

Quote from: Wiz on March 28, 2016, 05:33:08 AM

Interesting article by Kerry.

John Kerry: presidential campaign descending into 'embarrassment' for US (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/27/john-kerry-presidential-campaign-embarrassment-cruz-trump)

One imagines that Kerry can speak authortatively on the subject, as he is likewise an embarrassment to the United States.....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 28, 2016, 07:03:19 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on March 28, 2016, 01:18:44 AM

Ted Cruz and Amanda Carpenter have the exact Tattoos on their arms. Amanda say no affair but it really looks strange.

Except to allow Cruz to refute it, the mainstream media is completely ignored this story on the Sunday talk shows. Same thing on Monday morning drive to work shows. Like I said, in two weeks, it will be forgotten totally.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 28, 2016, 07:11:52 AM

Stopping Trump is a short-term solution. The long-term solution, and it will be more difficult, is fixing the educational system that has created so many people ignorant enough to vote for either Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 28, 2016, 07:43:17 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 28, 2016, 07:11:52 AM

Stopping Trump is a short-term solution. The long-term solution, and it will be more difficult, is fixing the educational system that has created so many people ignorant enough to vote for either Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders.

I'm all for ending an education system that teaches people to be sheep and vote for people selected for them by the two party dictatorship.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on March 28, 2016, 07:46:47 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 28, 2016, 07:43:17 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 28, 2016, 07:11:52 AM
Stopping Trump is a short-term solution. The long-term solution, and it will be more difficult, is fixing the educational system that has created so many people ignorant enough to vote for either Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders.

I'm all for ending an education system that teaches people to be sheep and vote for people selected for them by the two party dictatorship.

Maybe it would be nice to have at least one political party that was democratic in nature.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 28, 2016, 08:03:10 AM

Quote from: yankee on March 28, 2016, 07:46:47 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 28, 2016, 07:43:17 AM
Quote from: shakespear on March 28, 2016, 07:11:52 AM
Stopping Trump is a short-term solution. The long-term solution, and it will be more difficult, is fixing the educational system that has created so many people ignorant enough to vote for either Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders.

I'm all for ending an education system that teaches people to be sheep and vote for people selected for them by the two party dictatorship.

Maybe it would be nice to have at least one political party that was democratic in nature.

plus 1 :thumbsup: The people are catching on that the system is rigged. What is sad is those that do that don't care or are glad that it is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 28, 2016, 08:18:17 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 28, 2016, 07:11:52 AM

Stopping Trump is a short-term solution. The long-term solution, and it will be more difficult, is fixing the educational system that has created so many people ignorant enough to vote for either Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders.

When you export jobs in order to create artificial wealth for yourself and your cronies, when you make the stock market into a casino, and when you disrespect blue collar workers, you create a divide where on the one hand there are delusional youth who follow Sanders, and on the other hand there are the millions of misplaced factory workers and coal miners, etc. who follow Trump.

And when you see illegals as cheap labor or undocumented voters.

IOW get out of bed with the Democrats and start being a Republican again, or a blue dog Democrat. But don't blame the education system.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 28, 2016, 08:21:36 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 28, 2016, 07:43:17 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 28, 2016, 07:11:52 AM
Stopping Trump is a short-term solution. The long-term solution, and it will be more difficult, is fixing the educational system that has created so many people ignorant enough to vote for either Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders.

I'm all for ending an education system that teaches people to be sheep and vote for people selected for them by the two party dictatorship.

There are not 2 parties, there are a bunch of elitist crooks who play the system for their own benefit, and then make insulting statements about improving education.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 28, 2016, 08:26:32 AM

The republican party had 8 years to hand pick and groom a candidate forpresident. They've failed to do this, what we see is the result of poor planning.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 28, 2016, 09:09:51 AM

This one is for Shakespear.

How the GOP elite lost its voters to Trump.

Quote:

"Ed McMullen, a public relations executive who worked for the conservative Heritage Foundation in the 1980s, watched the gulf widen between the Washington establishment and the working people in his home state, South Carolina.

“Thirty years later, the same people are sitting in Washington that I worked with, making a million a year, going to fancy dinner parties, and they’ve done nothing to move the ball,” said Mr. McMullen, who has joined the Trump campaign. “Therein lies the great chasm between the think tanks, the ideologues and the real world.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-the-gop-elite-lost-its-voters-to-trump/ar-BBr1jEg?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 28, 2016, 11:22:04 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 28, 2016, 08:18:17 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 28, 2016, 07:11:52 AM
Stopping Trump is a short-term solution. The long-term solution, and it will be more difficult, is fixing the educational system that has created so many people ignorant enough to vote for either Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders.

When you export jobs in order to create artificial wealth for yourself and your cronies, when you make the stock market into a casino, and when you disrespect blue collar workers, you create a divide where on the one hand there are delusional youth who follow Sanders, and on the other hand there are the millions of misplaced factory workers and coal miners, etc. who follow Trump.

And when you see illegals as cheap labor or undocumented voters.

IOW get out of bed with the Democrats and start being a Republican again, or a blue dog Democrat. But don't blame the education system.

Frederic Bastiat summed it up quite well:

When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 28, 2016, 11:29:15 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 28, 2016, 07:11:52 AM

The long-term solution, and it will be more difficult, is fixing the educational system that has created so many people ignorant enough to vote for either Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders.

It's too late for several of our members but the next generation might benefit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 28, 2016, 11:33:52 AM

re #CruzSexScandal

I am now convinced that it did happen. And it might also involve one or more love-children.

Amanda Carpenter (on twitter, @amandacarpenter ) definitely seems to be one of them. Her daughter bears an uncanny resemblance to Ted in terms of facial features. Amanda is married and has 2 kids.

Let me ask you, if a married woman with two kids, took a pic and tagged this other married man as "Daddy" - how would you as a wife expect to feel (ie. Heidi Cruz's position). Note the kids are too young to have written the sign themselves; therefore was likely Amanda.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CelkgCZW4AQU2Vf.jpg)

Why would a married woman, remove her wedding ring and also have a 2 pack of condoms beside her, while at the RNC convention?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CemKV7hWAAAz4Lq.jpg)

another "Daddy Cruz"

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CehTTT_WAAA2EK9.jpg)

A married woman re-tweeting about dating married men? Does that seem in any way normal to you?

(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/ac-doomsday-10.jpg?w=652)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 28, 2016, 11:34:13 AM

The Truth About The Ted Cruz Sex Scandal

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 28, 2016, 11:40:02 AM

Let us get this right. The education system in the US is self evidently broken.
However, mending it by teaching kids that censorship of news stories is a good idea (as Shakespear seems to advocate) is not a solution.

One might well consider that training kids to think, rather than follow, and thus end up being capable of understanding why a vote for Trump or Sanders might be worthwhile seems a better bet. Bear in mind that those votes are, in very large part, a protest against The Powers That Be.

Censoring stories that show why a specific candidate, for reasons of moral, ethics and honesty, should not be elected because he is more acceptable than alternatives is NOT a good idea.

Teaching kids that such behaviour is not acceptable from the person or the media seems to me to be a good step in the right direction toward having an electorate capable of making decent choices. And that applies whether one is a Trump/Sanders supporter or not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 28, 2016, 12:00:19 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 28, 2016, 11:33:52 AM

Let me ask you, if a married woman with two kids, took a pic and tagged this other married man as "Daddy" - how would you as a wife expect to feel (ie. Heidi Cruz's position). Note the kids are too young to have written the sign themselves; therefore was likely Amanda.

Obvious photo shop job

Quote from: Slumba on March 28, 2016, 11:33:52 AM

Why would a married woman, remove her wedding ring and also have a 2 pack of condoms beside her, while at the RNC convention?

Probably to have sex with one of the 20,000 men there. How do you prove it was Cruz?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 28, 2016, 12:33:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 28, 2016, 12:00:19 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 28, 2016, 11:33:52 AM
Let me ask you, if a married woman with two kids, took a pic and tagged this other married man as "Daddy" - how would you as a wife expect to feel (ie. Heidi Cruz's position). Note the kids are too young to have written the sign themselves; therefore was likely Amanda.

Obvious photo shop job

TENUOUS. Very Tenuous. Especially considering that she has been deleting/scrubbing her Twitter account like mad after the story broke.

Quote from: Slumba on March 28, 2016, 11:33:52 AM

Why would a married woman, remove her wedding ring and also have a 2 pack of condoms beside her, while at the RNC convention?

Probably to have sex with one of the 20,000 men there. How do you prove it was Cruz?
Who would it be more likely to be? Sitting Senator (power) that she already knows and defends/cares about?

All the timelines match, her tweets (I haven't even included some of the others) match up with typical behaviors, the non-denial denials, etc.

A woman who is continuously on Twitter morning noon and night, suddenly stopped posting for about 36 hours or more-exactly at the time the story broke.

Kinda whistling past the graveyard here shakespear... I have given my view that it is true; now we will see how it plays out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 28, 2016, 01:08:44 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 28, 2016, 11:33:52 AM

Why would a married woman, remove her wedding ring and also have a 2 pack of condoms beside her, while at the RNC convention?

I don't have a dog in the Cruz hunt, but that photograph - assuming it has not been modified - was clearly taken in a mirror, which means that the woman is actually holding up the phone with her *right* hand, not her left hand as it appears to be in the photo. As we can safely assume she is a western lady, any wedding ring she wore would be on her other hand, out of frame.

B/B
RUA-CSI. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 28, 2016, 01:42:04 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 28, 2016, 01:08:44 PM

As we can safely assume she is a western lady, any wedding ring she wore would be on her other hand, out of frame.

Left, hand, right hand . . . . .she certainly has a tempting figure :loving:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on March 28, 2016, 02:06:08 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 28, 2016, 11:33:52 AM

re #CruzSexScandal

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CemKV7hWAAAz4Lq.jpg)

TBAH, I would willingly try out the whole 2 pack of condoms with her.. :loving:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 28, 2016, 02:20:38 PM

A two-pack of condoms at the RNC suggests that old, white Republicans are world-class underachievers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on March 28, 2016, 02:24:12 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 28, 2016, 02:20:38 PM

A two-pack of condoms at the RNC suggests that old, white Republicans are world-class underachievers.

Maybe so, but at least they should be safer from any nasties... :chuckle:

Remember..
Once a king always a king.. :king:
Once a night is enough.. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 28, 2016, 02:39:28 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on March 28, 2016, 02:24:12 PM

Maybe so, but at least they should be safer from any nasties... :chuckle:

... but the old white men at the RNC ARE the nasties.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 28, 2016, 04:15:30 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 28, 2016, 11:29:15 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 28, 2016, 07:11:52 AM
The long-term solution, and it will be more difficult, is fixing the educational system that has created so many people ignorant enough to vote for either Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders.

It's too late for several of our members but the next generation might benefit.

Yes, if only everybody could learn to ignore the forest for the trees and believe outlandish conspiracy theories. :rolleye0009:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 28, 2016, 04:21:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 28, 2016, 01:42:04 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 28, 2016, 01:08:44 PM
As we can safely assume she is a western lady, any wedding ring she wore would be on her other hand, out of frame.

Left, hand, right hand . . . . .she certainly has a tempting figure :loving:

That's the best post you've made in this entire thread. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 28, 2016, 08:44:55 PM

How to Spot a Liar: Lying Ted Cruz Edition
MARCH 28, 2016 BY MIKE CERNOVICH
http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/03/28/how-to-spot-a-liar-lying-ted-cruz-edition/

Is the Ted Cruz Sex Scandal True?
MARCH 25, 2016 BY MIKE CERNOVICH
http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/03/25/is-the-ted-cruzsexscandal-true/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 29, 2016, 09:51:46 AM

Ex Trump insider claims that Donald never wanted to be President, that it was all only a "protest" campaign. This might have more truth than the Cruz sex allegations. :laugh:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-trump-insider-donald-doesn%e2%80%99t-want-to-be-president/ar-BBr2kwt?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 29, 2016, 10:07:32 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 29, 2016, 09:51:46 AM

Ex Trump insider claims that Donald never wanted to be President, that it was all only a "protest" campaign. This might have more truth than the Cruz sex allegations. :laugh:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-trump-insider-donald-doesn%e2%80%99t-want-to-be-president/ar-BBr2kwt?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Disgruntled bitter woman who set up an UNAUTHORIZED Make America Great Again SuperPAC and is pissed she is not making millions in consulting fees when Trump demanded all SuperPACs be disbanded and funds returned as he is self-funding his campaign. Off course the media spins it as she was somehow an INSIDER.

The only insider here is Cruz slipping his slick willie inside a bunch of money honeys who were NOT his wife.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 29, 2016, 10:10:03 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 29, 2016, 10:07:32 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 29, 2016, 09:51:46 AM
Ex Trump insider claims that Donald never wanted to be President, that it was all only a "protest" campaign. This might have more truth than the Cruz sex allegations. :laugh:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ex-trump-insider-donald-doesn%e2%80%99t-want-to-be-president/ar-BBr2kwt?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Disgruntled bitter woman who set up an UNAUTHORIZED Make America Great Again SuperPAC and is pissed she is not making millions in consulting fees when Trump demanded all SuperPACs be disbanded and funds returned as he is self-funding his campaign. Off course the media spins it as she was somehow an INSIDER.

The only insider here is Cruz slipping his slick willie inside a bunch of money honeys who were NOT his wife.

Chill, maybe take a Valium. It seems to me that you take all of these rumors and innuendo much to seriously. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 29, 2016, 10:56:37 AM

This might be big from 'US News and World Report'.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-29%20at%208.50.25%20PM_zps3zsouaj0.png)

"A lawyer who represented the so-called “D.C. madam” says he has phone records that could influence the outcome of the presidential election, and he’s threatening to release one or more names on the steps of the U.S. Supreme Court if he’s denied a hearing on his right to distribute them.

Montgomery Blair Sibley, the late madam Deborah Palfrey’s colorful attorney, has been subject to a restraining order since 2007 barring him from releasing the information, which he says includes 815 names, addresses and Social Security numbers of Verizon Wireless customers.

“Time is of the essence because people are casting votes in primaries and caucuses,” he says. “I believe this information is relevant to that political discourse.”

Sibley first said the records could be relevant to the presidential race in January, when there were 15 high-profile candidates. Now, just three Republicans and two Democrats remain – though Sibley won’t say if any are implicated, citing fear of being jailed for contempt.

He would not say if he was surprised by a National Enquirer report last week that alleged Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, had engaged in five extramarital affairs. Cruz, currently in second place in the GOP contest, vigorously denied the report on Friday, and in doing so uncapped mainstream media coverage.

Cruz was first elected to the Senate in 2012 but represented Texas several times during Supreme Court arguments while Palfrey’s escort business operated.

Most of the other presidential candidates also lived in or visited the nation’s capital while Palfrey’s business operated, including former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont and Ohio Gov. John Kasich – a former congressman. Billionaire GOP front-runner Donald Trump likely visited the region during the decade-long time period."

More @ http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-28/dc-madams-attorney-says-call-log-bombshell-could-upend-presidential-race

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on March 29, 2016, 11:18:41 AM

Quote from: B.B. on March 27, 2016, 04:24:48 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 27, 2016, 01:27:03 PM
I am not a lawyer, and don't pretend to be one, but...

There's a long version and a short version. The short version is, theoretically yes, but practically no. As a practical matter, it is well nigh impossible for a public figure (and Cruz as a Senator and presidential candidate certainly is a public figure for all purposes) to win a defamation case. I doubt Ted will sue, but I could be wrong. /shrugs.

Libel law in The States is very different to the same concept in the rest of the free world. But a person who feels libeled with deep pockets can bring a lawsuit against the publisher and writer of an article and this can have a chilling effect on reporting.

If I am not mistaken years back Trump did just this regarding a book that was published about him. He sought billions (yes billions) Trump lost.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 12:04:31 PM

The point is moot. The story is true and thus indefensible anyway.

I'd warrant that going to court would be pointless now, even if the story had untrue elements. And yes, I take bb's point about practicality. I was making the point that Cruz, and could take this to court because, if the story is untrue, then the fact of his public status, would not be a factor because he'd be making claims in respect of malice. It is simple: because it is normal to lawyer stories of this nature, the publishers would have known that the story was untrue at the point of publication - unless they were victims of an extraordinarily good hoax.

Cruz though would have to deal with all the dirty laundry and, well, he is a hypocritical, holy roller. There's no way that he has no skeletons.

So, sunk below the waterline.

Sweeps on how long before he sinks?
Will he go down before the chap about Heidi gets really real?
Will he chuck her under the bus before he goes?
How many women will come forward before he goes down?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 29, 2016, 01:02:25 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 12:04:31 PM

How many women will come forward before he goes down?

Depends on how many women went down before he came forward.

*Rimshot*

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 01:58:20 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 12:04:31 PM

The point is moot. The story is true and thus indefensible anyway.

Wrong again Andrewfi. The story is obviously NOT true since it has been virtually ignored by the major media outlets for the last 3 days. If it had any basis in truth, they'd be all over such a story.

The story has no legs with the public. In the last 3 days Cruz has just taken the lead in Wisconsin and California according to the latest polls. Trump will not get to 1237. He will not be the nominee.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 29, 2016, 02:18:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 01:58:20 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 12:04:31 PM
The point is moot. The story is true and thus indefensible anyway.

Wrong again Andrewfi. The story is obviously NOT true since it has been virtually ignored by the major media outlets for the last 3 days. If it had any basis in truth, they'd be all over such a story.

The story has no legs with the public. In the last 3 days Cruz just pulled ahead in the polls in both Wisconsin and California.

Trump will not get to 1237. He will not be the nominee.

Why would Heidi Cruz cancel a bunch of appearances?

I will go further: there is a child. This child is the child of a married woman who is not Heidi Cruz. And Ted Cruz is the father of that child.

Keep on whistling past the graveyard.... after the Monica Lewinsky story broke online, it took the press more than a week to cover the story.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 02:35:23 PM

From what I can see, Shakey is right that there is a paucity of stories on 'big media' but there's still plenty. There's likely several reasons for this.
1) a concerted effort by 'the powers that be' to clamp down on the story in hope that it'll go away.
2) the need for other media outlets to find their own angle and get those stories lawyered up.
3) a testing of the wind by editors who don't want to be on the wrong side of history.

However the story is quite clearly not going away. There's a huge volume of noise about it and the progenitor, National Enquirer, is a huge circulation paper and has gone into week two with the story. It is not ignorable.

I can understand the hopes of some that it might go away. A thought though: whilst it might seem convenient that it should go away, that the story should be buried, to what degree do you feel that it is right, or a good thing, for media to be so controllable, so biddable?
If the media were to prove to be so compromised do you understand the implications for USAian society that the Fourth Estate has ceased to function?

For me, this story is interesting for what it tells us about society and the state of affairs over there - it isn't a good picture that we see.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 02:37:02 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 29, 2016, 02:18:23 PM

I will go further: there is a child. This child is the child of a married woman who is not Heidi Cruz. And Ted Cruz is the father of that child.

Slumba, Slumba, Slumba. If it was true, the story would have been verified and released within hours of the time the scandal sheet released the story.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 02:41:49 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 02:35:23 PM

National Enquirer, is a huge circulation paper and has gone into week two with the story. It is not ignorable.

National Enquirer has the credibility of Moby.

Seriously Andrewfi, I thought you were more intelligent than this . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 02:55:11 PM

There's going to be a load of speculation and fantasy about the affair now. Most of what we read will be untrue, even from professional media. They will publish speculation carefully couched in terms that are not easily challenged legally. Right now, if it is in the National Enquirer then it is likely to be fact based. If you see a claim based on Flickr pics, on a blog, then it is probably bollocks.

The same mechanisms as have been actively used against Russia and Russian people are now being deployed in the Cruz case. Disinformation, distortion and distraction are the watchwords. My guess is that Team Trump will comment but not initiate and that Trump himself will continue with the line 'I hope it isn't true' while hugging himself with glee. Team Trump's best position is to scramble for some kind of moral, but not moralistic, high ground.

Shakespear, you don't get it yet. NE has a huge readership, addresses a huge slice of the American population, has a strong reputation in this field of journalism, and is being echoed by other 'reputable' outlets and people.
Your opinion of the National Enquirer is irrelevant. If the story is true, or accepted as such, then it will stand and run. Ultimately even if 'the powers that be' are working to persuade other outlets to not publish, it is almost certain that they will do so because they can not afford to ignore the topic.

Shakespear, you need to understand that there is a difference between 'Martians ate my baby' stories and lurid fact based exposes! NE runs both types of story, both get huge readership but the industry as a whole knows and understands that NE is consistent and accurate with the latter. That's why they are very likely, almost certain, to end up following and expanding upon the story. Again, your opinion is immaterial here.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 29, 2016, 02:57:29 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 02:41:49 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 02:35:23 PM
National Enquirer, is a huge circulation paper and has gone into week two with the story. It is not ignorable.

National Enquirer has the credibility of Moby.

Seriously Andrewfi, I thought you were more intelligent than this . . . . . . . .

You do recall that it was the National Enquirer that broke the John Edwards (Democrat guy running for President) story? This is the same writer, at this same paper.

It's true, they have a "scandal sheet" reputation.

However there is plenty of circumstantial evidence, especially concerning Amanda Carpenter.

She has deleted over 900 tweets since the story broke, including the photo of her sitting on a bed beside the condoms.

She called Cruz "Daddy", which I know, in my marriage, if another woman called me "Daddy" via social media, would have resulted in a rocket up my a** when I got home. (and not just once but several times on diff. occasions).

Cruz appears without a suit jacket on a TV appearance (for which he is joked with by the hosts, as he always wears one), wearing a particular temporary tattoo. Amanda takes a selfie with the same temp tattoo (they are sold in packs of 2), same day. What is she wearing in the photo? A man's suit jacket draped around her. etc. etc.

Where there is smoke there is fire, that is all I am saying.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 03:02:46 PM

Shakespear, do you think that the entire story published in the National Enquirer is untrue?

Yes, or no.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 03:05:53 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 03:02:46 PM

Shakespear, do you think that the entire story published in the National Enquirer is untrue?

Yes, or no.

Yes.

In fact, the only story getting "air time" on the major networks now is about Trump's campaign manager getting arrested for battery of a Breitbart reporter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 03:08:58 PM

So, in your considered opinion every word of the National Enquirer pieces are fiction?

I just want to be sure of this for later. ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 03:13:36 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 03:08:58 PM

So, in your considered opinion every word of the National Enquirer pieces are fiction?

I just want to be sure of this for later. ;)

I think the conclusions they have reached from the flimsy circumstantial evidence present is totally wrong.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 29, 2016, 03:25:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 02:41:49 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 02:35:23 PM
National Enquirer, is a huge circulation paper and has gone into week two with the story. It is not ignorable.

National Enquirer has the credibility of Moby.

Seriously Andrewfi, I thought you were more intelligent than this . . . . . . . .

Quite frankly Shakes opinion of NatEnq is right up there with his insistence in 2012 that Mitt Romney would beat Obama in a landslide - instead we got our asses kicked - I voted 100% GOP and saw first hand the damage that the GOPe Establishment Cuukuu4Cuckonutzservatives did to the party.

Shakes is just a WRONG about the National Enquirer - why you might ask rhetorically - because they were founded by rabid Brit bulldog investigative journalists who actually pay HYUUUUGE cash money for full supporting evidence regarding crimes and sins of holier than though heroes who behave very badly.

NatEnq may be quite sensationalist like most of the British scandal sheets they are patterned after but they pay REAL CASH for REAL SCOOPS backed up with REAL first Person Evidence that both stands up in legal courts and the courts of public opinion.

Lying banglers BusTed the Cruzer is an adulterous LOSER.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 03:26:27 PM

That does not seem to be a conclusion that one could draw from an entirely untrue story which is what you said a moment before.

Now you seem to be saying that the facts of the story are correct but that the conclusions drawn are incorrect.

Are you now starting to get the point?

You will get there eventually and I am happy to help you along the way.
As you probably know, as a legal expert and all, circumstantial evidence is the most provative evidence for an investigator. That's 'we know that person A was in that place with person B doing thing X and if we know these things to be true then outcome Y is likely to be true.'

So, now you are telling us that Person A was in a place with Person B doing thing X but the outcome was not Y but Z.
That's very different to this:
Shakespear, do you think that the entire story published in The National Enquirer is untrue?
Your answer: YES.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 29, 2016, 03:32:08 PM

BusTed Cruzer's boffo bangling beatches scandal having an effect - Trump now near 50% among likely GOP supporters or voters NATIONWIDE so President Trump now sounds quite presidential to me:

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-trump-holds-nearly-50-percent-support-republicans-nationally

NOTE - Remember MSNBC is extremely Liberal and not fond of Trump at all...

Poll: Trump holds nearly 50 percent support of Republicans nationally
03/29/16 06:01 AM—UPDATED 03/29/16 09:34 AM

With just three candidates left in the Republican primary race, Donald Trump now holds 48 percent support of registered Republicans and Republican-leaners, according to the NBC News|SurveyMonkey Weekly Election Tracking poll. This is more than 20 points higher than his second-place competitor, Ted Cruz—who now enjoys 27 percent support. John Kasich got a boost of 2 points this week and holds third place with 18 percent support.

The question in the Republican race, however, is no longer whether Trump is the clear front-runner, but whether he will reach the magic delegate number of 1,237—and, if not, whether Republicans will support him as their party’s nominee going forward. These are big questions that have implications for the direction of the Republican Party and, ultimately, the outcome of the 2016 presidential race.

There has been intense discussion about whether the 2016 presidential primary season has caused permanent harm to the Republican Party with “establishment” candidates like Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio failing to gain traction and “outsider” candidates like Trump and Ben Carson performing well.

Although it is looking more and more certain that Trump will at least hold a plurality of delegates headed into the convention, not all Republicans agree that this means he should be the party’s nominee if he fails to get a majority.

There has been intense speculation that Republican Party leaders may put forth a new candidate at the Republican convention if Trump fails to win the requisite number of delegates to secure the nomination. After Rubio’s exit from the GOP race, former House Speaker John Boehner said, “If we don’t have a nominee who can win on the first ballot, I’m for none of the above. They all had a chance to win. None of them won. So I’m for none of the above.”

A majority—57 percent—of registered Republicans and Republican-leaners disagree, however, and say that Trump should win the Republican nomination for president if he wins a plurality (but not necessarily a majority) of delegates. About a quarter (27 percent) do not think he should win the nomination and 14 percent are not sure.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 29, 2016, 04:00:22 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 03:05:53 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 03:02:46 PM
Shakespear, do you think that the entire story published in the National Enquirer is untrue?

Yes, or no.

Yes.

In fact, the only story getting "air time" on the major networks now is about Trump's campaign manager getting arrested for battery of a Breitbart reporter.

The battery story is a fantasy, and every video, including the newly released one, backs this up.

She tweeted pics of bruises on her lower arm (forearm) - the video shows the guy charged, touching her on the upper arm, between elbow and shoulder.

Her own words show her as a fabulously bad liar:

Her view, written on March 10th before she knew there was full video:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/03/10/3276486/

"I wasn’t called upon to ask a question during the televised press conference, but afterwards Trump wandered around, stopping at every reporter to take their questions. When he approached me, I asked him about his view on an aspect of affirmative action.

Trump acknowledged the question, but before he could answer I was jolted backwards. Someone had grabbed me tightly by the arm and yanked me down. I almost fell to the ground, but was able to maintain my balance. Nonetheless, I was shaken. "

The police-obtained security video:

at 4s in this video, she is the lady in white blazer with phone out, standing beside Trump; behind her is a man in suit jacket and black tie; behind him, a man in a brightly checkered shirt. Was she "jolted backwards"?

I have never been near a guy with Secret Service protection, so I have no idea what they expect/require for closeness to someone being protected. Maybe another commenter here does and can chime in.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 29, 2016, 04:02:06 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 03:05:53 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 03:02:46 PM
Shakespear, do you think that the entire story published in the National Enquirer is untrue?

Yes, or no.

Yes.

In fact, the only story getting "air time" on the major networks now is about Trump's campaign manager getting arrested for battery of a Breitbart reporter.

As it should be. Trump should fire Lewandowski immediately. Instead Trump continues to make poor decisions in regards to women's issues, IMO.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 29, 2016, 04:04:35 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 01:58:20 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 12:04:31 PM
The point is moot. The story is true and thus indefensible anyway.

Wrong again Andrewfi. The story is obviously NOT true since it has been virtually ignored by the major media outlets for the last 3 days. If it had any basis in truth, they'd be all over such a story.

The story has no legs with the public. In the last 3 days Cruz has just taken the lead in Wisconsin and California according to the latest polls. Trump will not get to 1237. He will not be the nominee.

Don't count your chickens before they hatch in regards to California and Wisconsin. It's going to be close though, that much is true. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 29, 2016, 04:26:50 PM

From Russia with love. Why the Kremlin (supposedly) backs Trump.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/from-russia-with-love-why-the-kremlin-backs-trump/ar-BBqTHn2

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 04:48:25 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 29, 2016, 04:00:22 PM

The battery story is a fantasy, and every video, including the newly released one, backs this up.

She tweeted pics of bruises on her lower arm (forearm) - the video shows the guy charged, touching her on the upper arm, between elbow and shoulder.

Her own words show her as a fabulously bad liar:

Her view, written on March 10th before she knew there was full video:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/03/10/3276486/

"I wasn’t called upon to ask a question during the televised press conference, but afterwards Trump wandered around, stopping at every reporter to take their questions. When he approached me, I asked him about his view on an aspect of affirmative action.

Trump acknowledged the question, but before he could answer I was jolted backwards. Someone had grabbed me tightly by the arm and yanked me down. I almost fell to the ground, but was able to maintain my balance. Nonetheless, I was shaken. "

The police-obtained security video:

at 4s in this video, she is the lady in white blazer with phone out, standing beside Trump; behind her is a man in suit jacket and black tie; behind him, a man in a brightly checkered shirt. Was she "jolted backwards"?

I have never been near a guy with Secret Service protection, so I have no idea what they expect/require for closeness to someone being protected. Maybe another commenter here does and can chime in.

Oh Slumba you slay me.

The police had video evidence that a battery based on Florida law occurred. The man was arrested on a complaint filed by a sworn peace officer. This guy wasn't a secret service agent. It was his campaign manager. Yet you deny it happened. Don't you believe your own lying eyes? Trump is going to be lucky if he gets one vote from a woman anywhere in the USA. :ROFL:

Yet, when it comes to Cruz, you claim as absolute truth a news story by a more than questionable media source based on not one bit of actual evidence, but VERY flimsy circumstantial evidence.

(:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 29, 2016, 05:35:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 04:48:25 PM

Oh Slumba you slay me.

The police had video evidence that a battery based on Florida law occurred. The man was arrested on a complaint filed by a sworn peace officer. This guy wasn't a secret service agent. It was his campaign manager. Yet you deny it happened. Don't you believe your own lying eyes? Trump is going to be lucky if he gets one vote from a woman anywhere in the USA. :ROFL:

Yet, when it comes to Cruz, you claim as absolute truth a news story by a more than questionable media source based on not one bit of actual evidence, but VERY flimsy circumstantial evidence.

(:)

I watched the video and told you how to identify from all those people, which person is which. Did you watch it? What second in the video has her being "jolted backwards" and almost falling to the ground? Tell me please.

The prosecutor in the case is ... a Clinton apparatchik. Funny how that works huh?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 05:44:48 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 03:26:27 PM

Now you seem to be saying that the facts of the story are correct but that the conclusions drawn are incorrect.

No, Im saying that the circumstantial evidence produced may have a basis in fact but that it in no way proves any of the points they're trying to make.

For example, they might have been together at a press conference, but that doesn't necessarily mean they had sex.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 29, 2016, 05:45:31 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 29, 2016, 05:35:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 04:48:25 PM

Oh Slumba you slay me.

The police had video evidence that a battery based on Florida law occurred. The man was arrested on a complaint filed by a sworn peace officer. This guy wasn't a secret service agent. It was his campaign manager. Yet you deny it happened. Don't you believe your own lying eyes? Trump is going to be lucky if he gets one vote from a woman anywhere in the USA. :ROFL:

Yet, when it comes to Cruz, you claim as absolute truth a news story by a more than questionable media source based on not one bit of actual evidence, but VERY flimsy circumstantial evidence.

(:)

I watched the video and told you how to identify from all those people, which person is which. Did you watch it? What second in the video has her being "jolted backwards" and almost falling to the ground? Tell me please.

The prosecutor in the case is ... a Clinton apparatchik. Funny how that works huh?

I watched it. I seen nothing as dramatic as she said. Not even close. It just shows to me the desperation of the anti-Trump people to smear him with such an allegation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 29, 2016, 05:47:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 05:44:48 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 03:26:27 PM

Now you seem to be saying that the facts of the story are correct but that the conclusions drawn are incorrect.

No, Im saying that the circumstantial evidence produced may have a basis in fact but that it in no way proves any of the points they're trying to make.

For example, they might have been together at a press conference, but that doesn't necessarily mean they had sex.

Nice how you'll give Cruz the benefit of the doubt but not for Trump's guy with the woman recorder.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 05:54:29 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 29, 2016, 05:35:08 PM

The prosecutor in the case is ... a Clinton apparatchik. Funny how that works huh?

A little civics review appears to be necessary.

A sworn peace officer has the power to arrest if he has evidence that a violation of law has occurred. That is what happened today. The County Prosecuting Attorney now must decide if enough evidence exists to achieve a conviction. If so, he will take the case to court and try to obtain a conviction. He may elect to negotiate a settlement out of court in the interest of fairness and justice.

Battery is a misdemeanor offense. He is a first-time offender. I imagine this will be settled without a court case.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 05:58:48 PM

Quote from: Maxx on March 29, 2016, 05:47:45 PM

Nice how you'll give Cruz the benefit of the doubt but not for Trump's guy with the woman reporter.

Oh, I think the whole thing is ridiculous.

But he backed the lady in a corner, publicly insulting her, questioning her intelligence, and journalistic credibility. He left her no choice but to press charges.

If he had just apologized, the whole thing would be yesterdays news.

But Trump and apparently his people share the montra of never apologizing, no matter how wrong they are.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 29, 2016, 06:30:13 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 05:58:48 PM

Quote from: Maxx on March 29, 2016, 05:47:45 PM
Nice how you'll give Cruz the benefit of the doubt but not for Trump's guy with the woman reporter.

Oh, I think the whole thing is ridiculous.

But he backed the lady in a corner, publicly questioning her intelligence, and journalistic credibility. He left her no choice but to press charges.

If he had just apologized, the whole thing would be yesterdays news.

But Trump and apparently his people share the montra of never apologizing, no matter how wrong they are.

Usually a news organization will retain and back up their reporter in such a case.

Here, she was cut loose and let go. Even some of her own org's fellow reporters did not believe her.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 29, 2016, 07:45:34 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 29, 2016, 06:30:13 PM

Here, she was cut loose and let go. Even some of her own org's fellow reporters did not believe her.

1) She was not "cut loose and let go." Michelle Fields resigned. Ben Shapiro, Jordan Schachtel and Jarrett Stepman resigned over the incident as well.

2) Ben Terris from the Washington Post believed her; he witnessed the battery.

3) Your attitude toward women has colored your beliefs. If you were worth billions, you could get away with it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on March 29, 2016, 07:47:32 PM

Back to rumors and such, twitter has been buzzing the last couple days with a video made by billstill.com who says that NE has an update with 3 new women to add to the Cruz list coming soon. While Mr Still has a decent background and a lot of accomplishment as editor, newsman and writer, he is basically an unknown small-fry and his specialty is probably economics. Where this came from is unfathomable to me and could be just to get publicity. It seems worth mentioning just for chuckles.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 29, 2016, 08:41:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 29, 2016, 05:58:48 PM

Quote from: Maxx on March 29, 2016, 05:47:45 PM
Nice how you'll give Cruz the benefit of the doubt but not for Trump's guy with the woman reporter.

Oh, I think the whole thing is ridiculous.

But he backed the lady in a corner, publicly insulting her, questioning her intelligence, and journalistic credibility. He left her no choice but to press charges.

If he had just apologized, the whole thing would be yesterdays news.

This. And if you watch the video very carefully, she is at the very least held back by Lewandowski, possibly pulled or jerked backwards.

What's a real shame is that Trump was one of the first developers to promote women into positions of power and of being in charge of major renovations, etc. on major buildings of his.

Trump, of all the men running, is the only one to have employed and promoted women before it was popular.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 29, 2016, 08:53:24 PM

https://twitter.com/LATimesJennCarr

after further googling etc. it seems not able to be verified; and may be a "troll" account set up years ago and only activated recently.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 29, 2016, 09:02:57 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 29, 2016, 07:45:34 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 29, 2016, 06:30:13 PM
Here, she was cut loose and let go. Even some of her own org's fellow reporters did not believe her.

1) She was not "cut loose and let go." Michelle Fields resigned. Ben Shapiro, Jordan Schachtel and Jarrett Stepman resigned over the incident as well.

2) Ben Terris from the Washington Post believed her; he witnessed the battery.

3) Your attitude toward women has colored your beliefs. If you were worth billions, you could get away with it.

1. It was reported, almost 2 weeks ago now, that they did not believe that Breitbart "adequately supported" them. In case you can't read between the lines, maybe this will help http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/michelle-fields-ben-shapiro-resign-from-breitbart#.cm3LB5oJ0Q

2. Was the photog named Jabin Botsford, who was covering the event with Ben Terris, present, or not present, at the event? Why would he lie about it? http://www.dangerandplay.com/2016/03/11/washington-post-caught-in-huge-media-cover-up/ See the 2 different tweets he made in response.

3. My response to you would violate the rules of the forum.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 29, 2016, 09:26:39 PM

^ Don't worry about it; one of the mods will clean up after you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 29, 2016, 09:41:38 PM

Lewandowski reminds me of the nutter DUI attorney. Some people can hide what they are; others have it written all over their faces. Trump approved of Lewandowski's battery of Michelle because they are both cut from the same cloth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 29, 2016, 10:31:10 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/29/former_breitbart_editor_charges_absolutely_validate_michelle_fields_allegations.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 29, 2016, 11:00:35 PM

Trump did a very good job of winning supporters by showing he is a fighter who in his own words "counterpunches" but this was his opportunity to pivot, and he didn't do it. Polls show he may now lose Wisconsin. Not good. He should know when to pick his fights, but sadly what made him popular may be his undoing.

If he gets the nomination; I still predict a landslide victory over Hillary though (just to preempt the question). :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 29, 2016, 11:42:33 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 29, 2016, 10:31:10 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/29/former_breitbart_editor_charges_absolutely_validate_michelle_fields_allegations.html

if you had been following Ben Shapiro over the last few weeks on Twitter, as I have, you would know what a soft insignificant manlet he is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 30, 2016, 03:05:32 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 29, 2016, 05:45:31 PM

I watched it. I seen nothing as dramatic as she said. Not even close. It just shows to me the desperation of the anti-Trump people to smear him with such an allegation.

This.

Fields had been warned previously by the Secret Service not to touch Trump, which she persisted in doing. Lewandowski, to the extent he touched her, should be entitled to using the "alter ego" defense (I don't know the state of the law where this happened), insofar as he would be entitled to utilize the same lawful means as Trump, under the circumstances, to prevent unwanted touchings, e.g. pushing her away, but not pulling out a gun and shooting her.

Lewandowski tugged on her arm with sufficient force to pull her way from Trump. He did not throw her to the ground and he did not use other excessive force. Indeed, a certain amount of contact is to be expected at these media scrums, and if you put your hands on a candidate, you should expect that hands will be put on you.

That he was at all charged is total BS.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 30, 2016, 05:13:59 AM

Hmmmmmmmm

Watched both "Fox and Friends" and "Morning Joe" this morning.

Not a single mention of the alleged Cruz infidelities.

Trump's campaign manager manhandling a female reporter dominated the news cycle on both networks this morning.

I told you this story had no legs and would be forgotten in 2 weeks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 30, 2016, 08:14:48 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 30, 2016, 05:13:59 AM

Hmmmmmmmm

Watched both "Fox and Friends" and "Morning Joe" this morning.

Not a single mention of the alleged Cruz infidelities.

Trump's campaign manager manhandling a female reporter dominated the news cycle on both networks this morning.

I told you this story had no legs and would be forgotten in 2 weeks.

Could you confirm please that you watched the 12-second video and that you remain convinced that you saw evidence of being "jolted backwards"?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 30, 2016, 08:27:39 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 30, 2016, 08:14:48 AM

Could you confirm please that you watched the 12-second video and that you remain convinced that you saw evidence of being "jolted backwards"?

Slumba, I saw the video and I think the whole thing is bullshit.

Instead of apologizing, they attacked her and her credibility as a journalist and a person.

Hubris, a trademark of Trump and his key personnel is what caused this problem.

Perhaps this will be a lesson in humility for them; but I doubt it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 30, 2016, 08:56:46 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 29, 2016, 11:42:33 PM

... what a soft insignificant manlet he is.

I'm unfamiliar with that term.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 30, 2016, 04:11:10 PM

Disastrous day for Trump on the campaign trail today:

Trump saying that if abortion is outlawed, women who get abortions will face criminal punishment. . . . . . . .

Trump, a Republican saying three responsibilities of government: defense, health care and education ? ? ? ? ?

Trump threatens to sue the Republican Party of Louisiana?

:ROFL:

In the past two weeks, we are watching his campaign virtually disintegrate before our eyes.

Updated Wisconsin poll results today:
Cruz 40%
Trump 30%
Kasich 21%

Losing Ohio tipped the scale against Trump. When he loses Wisconsin, it will be politically impossible for him to get to 1237.

Anteros, get your checkbook out . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 30, 2016, 04:37:51 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 12:04:31 PM

The point is moot. The story is true and thus indefensible anyway.

Yet ANOTHER day of silence from the major credible news sources.

I'm waiting for you to admit you are totally wrong about this . . . . . . .

Please don't keep me waiting!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 30, 2016, 06:11:50 PM

If the republican party does not give the nomination to Trump, they could very well give the election to the democrats.
Had the Republicans United around Trump weeks ago and pushed for unity amongst the party trumps numbers would double.

Poll: Trump Nearly at 50 Percent Support Among Republicans Nationally

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-trump-nearly-50-percent-support-among-republicans-nationally-n546951

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 30, 2016, 10:31:02 PM

Cruz is hated by 51% of the electorate being Females, he has been convicted in the National Enquirer court of Female public opinion - Females HATE men that cheat on them (projection) Cruz vs Hitlery - she wins so move to Moscow/FSU.

Kasich is such a feel good hugger favoring amnesty and open borders and 100 Million new third world low IQ inmigrants by 2050 USA will become Brazil North with street crime, motorbike machine gun car jackings and gated communities - Kasich vs Hitlery - she wins so move to Moscow/FSU.

Trump has proven to be able to inspire Conservatives, Moderates, Independents and Reagan Blue Collar Democrats (Manufacturing and Construction Unions) and Feel-Berner cross over voters. Trump vs Hitlery - Trump wins - stay in the USA and prosper while we rebuild and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.

Wisconsin is a liberal Socialist Marxist Feminist pro-LGBTQ wasteland just like Minnesota. At least it is not Winner Take All. I predict Kasich beats Cruz in Wisconsin.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 30, 2016, 10:38:44 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 30, 2016, 03:05:32 AM

Quote from: Maxx on March 29, 2016, 05:45:31 PM
I watched it. I seen nothing as dramatic as she said. Not even close. It just shows to me the desperation of the anti-Trump people to smear him with such an allegation.

This.

Fields had been warned previously by the Secret Service not to touch Trump, which she persisted in doing. Lewandowski, to the extent he touched her, should be entitled to using the "alter ego" defense (I don't know the state of the law where this happened), insofar as he would be entitled to utilize the same lawful means as Trump, under the circumstances, to prevent unwanted touchings, e.g. pushing her away, but not pulling out a gun and shooting her.

Lewandowski tugged on her arm with sufficient force to pull her way from Trump. He did not throw her to the ground and he did not use other excessive force. Indeed, a certain amount of contact is to be expected at these media scrums, and if you put your hands on a candidate, you should expect that hands will be put on you.

That he was at all charged is total BS.

B/B

Lewandowski would not have been charged if he and/or Trump had issued a simple apology.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 30, 2016, 10:40:58 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on March 30, 2016, 06:11:50 PM

If the republican party does not give the nomination to Trump, they could very well give the election to the democrats.
Had the Republicans United around Trump weeks ago and pushed for unity amongst the party trumps numbers would double.

Poll: Trump Nearly at 50 Percent Support Among Republicans Nationally

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-trump-nearly-50-percent-support-among-republicans-nationally-n546951

Trump would already be the de facto nominee if the party had told Kasich to drop out before Ohio. Instead they've kept up with their delusional fantasy of a different nominee and committed hari kari in the process.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 30, 2016, 10:43:51 PM

Late Night with Seth Meyers: A new poll has come out with Cruz leading Trump in Wisconsin at 40% to 30% proving that voters believe Cruz head is made of butter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 30, 2016, 10:58:18 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 30, 2016, 10:38:44 PM

Lewandowski would not have been charged if he and/or Trump had issued a simple apology.

You don't understand how SJWs work.

It would have been taken as "proof that Trump is anti-woman" and would have been used to further fan the flames.

Lewandowski did nothing wrong.

Now it comes out, there are at least 4 other people that Fields pulled this stunt on; plus claiming falsely that a guy "hacked her social media accounts", publicly naming him and subjecting him to harassment. She's a drama queen.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 30, 2016, 11:17:36 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 30, 2016, 10:58:18 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 30, 2016, 10:38:44 PM

Lewandowski would not have been charged if he and/or Trump had issued a simple apology.

You don't understand how SJWs work.

It would have been taken as "proof that Trump is anti-woman" and would have been used to further fan the flames.

Lewandowski did nothing wrong.

Now it comes out, there are at least 4 other people that Fields pulled this stunt on; plus claiming falsely that a guy "hacked her social media accounts", publicly naming him and subjecting him to harassment. She's a drama queen.

Sorry, what is an SJW? Trump proved himself to be "anti-woman" in the eyes of many if not most women, by treating her like crap instead of simply saying: I'm sorry that happened.

You say you don't like drama queens (and neither do I) but you're being as much of a drama queen about this silly situation by not admitting that Trump needs to learn some diplomacy and needs to learn that you don't fight with women like you might with men. A simply apology many days ago and we would not even be discussing this. More importantly his poll numbers in Wisconsin would not have dropped off a cliff.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 30, 2016, 11:27:39 PM

Ant, Slumba is right.

Trump is a target. No matter how the incident was handled the outcome would have been negative. There's no better or worse. This is simply one more attack.

Yes, the guy did nothing wrong but the woman, whether acting alone or as a cats paw, was serving as a tool in a larger operation.

If unsure about this, then consider her track record. She had an intent, was seeking an outcome and seized an opportunity that she, herself, created.

The outcome is probably that which was desired: to damage Trump's perception in the eyes of voters.

This was almost certainly not an accident. There have been others, there will be more.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 30, 2016, 11:45:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 30, 2016, 04:37:51 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 29, 2016, 12:04:31 PM
The point is moot. The story is true and thus indefensible anyway.

Yet ANOTHER day of silence from the major credible news sources.

I'm waiting for you to admit you are totally wrong about this . . . . . . .

Please don't keep me waiting!

You're right about this particular situation Shakespear and you're correct that Trump was a fool to bully that reporter. Unfortunately you'll be waiting a very long time for an apology as Andy isn't man enough to ever admit when he's wrong, which is often.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 31, 2016, 01:28:01 AM

Ant, you are posting silly stuff again.

You are free to disagree with me, but please, show us all how I am supposed to be wrong? And about what?

Ant, thinking is hard - don't make the mistake of thinking that we are all like you are.

So, have a shot, show us that interest in the Cruz sex stuff is insignificant. To help support your case you might want to look at such sources as Google Trends which shows in, relative terms, what people are interested in. You might want to look at large circulation publications with millions of readers who are reading this stuff, you could look at the number of references to the case online. (Online is easy for many people as it requires very little effort)

With regard to the case of 'assault' why not have a look at the options available to Team Trump, both at the time and thereafter. You might want to consider the identities and track records of the participants. Try looking at video recordings of the incident and consider the input of legal experts without a dog in the fight. Having done that and learned the issues of the case, why not then try to explain to us just what could have been done, at the time, or thereafter to ensure that a 'good' result occurred. Try to justify your response with reasons why your suggestion is better than what actually happened.

Don't worry, to an average thinker that will likely take little longer than it took you to read it, and almost certainly less time than it took me to write. (about 5 minutes)

Ant, try to use your head.
Shakespear seems to have an issue with cognitive dissonance, he has a track record of King Canute moments and is probably aware of it, but he ain't stupid. You, well, you just don't think good.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 31, 2016, 03:20:14 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 30, 2016, 10:58:18 PM

You don't understand how SJWs work.

It would have been taken as "proof that Trump is anti-woman" and would have been used to further fan the flames.

Lewandowski did nothing wrong.

Now it comes out, there are at least 4 other people that Fields pulled this stunt on; plus claiming falsely that a guy "hacked her social media accounts", publicly naming him and subjecting him to harassment. She's a drama queen.

This.

In SJW-land, an "apology" is just an admission of guilty. The maneuver goes like this:

SJWs demand apology.

The target apologizes to "make it go away".

SJWs declare the apology to be "insincere", and proceed with character assassination of target, which they planned to do all along.

The best thing to do is refuse to apologize, and let the SJWs press their ridiculous claim, which then falls apart b/c the target refuses to be complicit.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 31, 2016, 03:50:32 AM

It seems to me that matters in this election are going much harder further than normal in terms of trying to stifle knowledge and use of what one might call unconventional techniques to affect perception.

I can't compare directly but it rather seems to me that, to this extent at least, Shakespear is correct about media manipulation as compared to what happened with Bill Clinton and Gary Hart. On a similar note, as a non-USAian, the degree to which mass media on the US is hushing up Hilary Clinton's various nefarious doings is a surprise.

For folks who stick to Shakespear's chosen media outlets life must be very quiet and a little dark - as in mushroom like.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 31, 2016, 06:23:56 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 31, 2016, 03:50:32 AM

It seems to me that matters in this election are going much harder further than normal in terms of trying to stifle knowledge and use of what one might call unconventional techniques to affect perception.

I can't compare directly but it rather seems to me that, to this extent at least, Shakespear is correct about media manipulation as compared to what happened with Bill Clinton and Gary Hart. On a similar note, as a non-USAian, the degree to which mass media on the US is hushing up Hilary Clinton's various nefarious doings is a surprise.

For folks who stick to Shakespear's chosen media outlets life must be very quiet and a little dark - as in mushroom like.

The reason the major USA media is ignoring it is because the story is a fairy tale. No basis of fact in the allegations. It is WRONG!

YOU WERE WRONG when you publicly declared the story factual and true.

Now be a good lad and admit you were wrong. That's a good gentleman. . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 31, 2016, 07:04:00 AM

Latest poll today from New York, Trump's home state . . . . . . . .

Clinton: 53%
Trump: 35%

Sanders: 56%
Trump: 32%

The guy can't even win his home state in a General Election.

Can't you understand the guy is not electable?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 31, 2016, 08:17:32 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 31, 2016, 07:04:00 AM

Latest poll today from New York, Trump's home state . . . . . . . .

Clinton: 53%
Trump: 35%

Sanders: 56%
Trump: 32%

The guy can't even win his home state in a General Election.

Can't you understand the guy is not electable?

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Trump was not a career politician but he's learning quickly. I think he still has time to win the 1237 delegates and if not he is going to work over the so called GOP "establishment" big time.

Hubris? Remember that word? You are your "establishment" bunch will be looking in the mirror. You demanded Trump give a loyalty oath buy you were not loyal to him. This is going to blow up in your face! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 31, 2016, 09:06:35 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 30, 2016, 11:27:39 PM

This was almost certainly not an accident.

You are correct about that; it was willful on the part of Lewandowski. More remarkable than Trump's defense of the batterer is the way that some people are in denial about it, in spite of clear evidence that Fields was grabbed and yanked, exactly as she claimed.

Here is a video that shows what transpired very clearly:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2016/03/29/trumpvideo/msAmeW4lpQOWHMNftpB1QK/story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 31, 2016, 09:22:19 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 31, 2016, 08:17:32 AM

Trump was not a career politician but he's learning quickly.

On the contrary, if he had learned anything, he would have fired Lewandowski the same day that he battered Fields. Instead, he lied about the incident and continues to lie about it. This sort of behavior may be normal in your world but it is not the way that respectable people act and is certainly not the way that a presidential candidate should act.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-evolving-explanation-alleged-lewandowski-fields-incident/story?id=38035284

For those who still fail to grasp what transpired, I've circled Lewandowski's hand on her arm:

“'@MichelleFields you are totally delusional. I never touched you. As a matter of fact, I have never met you,' [lyin'] Lewandowski wrote."

The guy in the checkered shirt, who is looking right at Lewandowski and Lewis, is Ben Terris of the Washington Post. Earlier, the sphincters tried to make the claim that it was Terris who battered Lewis, not Lewandowski.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 31, 2016, 10:12:35 AM

Shakespear, it is my belief that the Cruz story is factual. It is your opinion that it is not.

Why on earth would my knowledge, which is the basis of my belief, all of a sudden, change? There's nothing new that weakens my belief. I have not 'unlearned' anything.

I understand that you are feeling a tad penned in, but please refrain from 'unthinking', it does not become you and tends to exacerbate the Canuteishness that we have seen already.

Here's the thing. If Cruz (or those around him) keep up the denials in the face of upcoming revelations then the worst that happens is that we do not know if stories are true. We certainly will not know they are false.
Only if one of two things happens can we be relatively sure about the veracity, or otherwise, of the claims:
1) Cruz goes to court and either wins or loses his case - either way we get to see most of the goings on and can make a judgement, even if that judgement may not agree with a court verdict.
2) Cruz comes clean.

It is obvious that right now Cruz is attempting to bluster his way ahead.

Right now, given what I know, I expect that there is a concerted effort to clean up everything and everyone around Cruz. That process, we know, started as soon as subscribers to the National Enquirer received their copies last week.That cleaning effort may be effective (for the time being) because he is the GOP's last best hope for someone, anyone who is not Trump to head into the general election with a chance of winning. The cleanup will not be carried out by Cruz people.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 31, 2016, 11:08:47 AM

Quote from: TomT on March 31, 2016, 09:06:35 AM

You are correct about that; it was willful on the part of Lewandowski.

Of course it was. He was tugging a pesky reporter away from a candidate that she had already been admonished twice by the Secret Service not to touch. The pres conference was over, at that point, and she was making a nuisance of herself.

Quote from: TomT on March 31, 2016, 09:06:35 AM

More remarkable than Trump's defense of the batterer is the way that some people are in denial about it, in spite of clear evidence that Fields was grabbed and yanked, exactly as she claimed.

It is not remarkable at all that Trump stuck by Lewandowski. By all accounts, Trump values loyalty, and any idea that the was any sort of "violence" is a fraud. Trump stuck by his employee when said employee was being unfairly hosed. I am not a Trump voter, however I admire him for that.

Quote from: TomT on March 31, 2016, 09:22:19 AM

On the contrary, if he had learned anything, he would have fired Lewandowski the same day that he battered Fields. Instead, he lied about the incident and continues to lie about it.

Complete and total rubbish. If anyone lied it was Fields in her complaint that she was going to be 'thrown to the ground'. She was merely tugged away from a candidate that she hat no right (at that point) to question further, and whom she had, as noted, previously been admonished not to touch by the Secret Service.

Quote from: TomT on March 31, 2016, 09:22:19 AM

This sort of behavior may be normal in your world but it is not the way that respectable people act and is certainly not the way that a presidential candidate should act.

While Trump seems to me to be unconcerned with "acting" like a presidential candidate, in this case he is 100% in the right. This was a non-event which anti-Trump forces have stirred up into a tempest in a teacup. And bear in mind that I say this as a disinterested observer; I would prefer that Trump not be the nominee, and the next alternative, Cruz, I dislike as well.

Quote from: TomT on March 31, 2016, 09:22:19 AM

For those who still fail to grasp what transpired, I've circled Lewandowski's hand on her arm

I've seen the video; it's a non-event. Indeed, I would expect it to be relatively common in such circumstances, and if Fields were not a "special" person, i.e. an owner/operator of a vagina, then this would not be news at all.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 31, 2016, 11:24:42 AM

From what I have seen, I have to agree with bb.

This is a political act, but it is one that diminishes all of us in that if we accept that she gets away with it, if Lewandowski ends up losing his job as a result of her attack, supported by her running dogs then none of us are safe in the future.

Trump is absolutely right.

If this had happened with Cruz, for example, then we'd hear nothing about it. Did she go up to Trump, after she had been warned off by the Secret Service staff, on purpose? Who knows, but probably yes.

Given that the Secret Service staff had already made a security issue of her encroachment upon Trump it would seem that, in slightly different circumstances, we would be praising Lewandowski for his courage and selflessness. All he knew, at that moment was that a person he did not know had been warned back by the security professionals and was making another approach. He put himself between the woman and Trump, his friend and colleague - he had no way to know what was going on, or what might happen next.

Chances of an attack, slight, but the Secret Service staff are there because the risk is perceived as being real and significant.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 31, 2016, 11:39:34 AM

If it had been a man nobody would even talk about it.

Watching women's hysterical responses, even from supposedly sober and intelligent women who write books for a living, seems to give weight to the arguments against women being able to vote. They sometimes do act like herd animals, i.e. sheep.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 31, 2016, 11:43:16 AM

This is not a gender issue, it is a political issue. You are falling into a trap of accepting the framing of the narrative.

This person was a foot-soldier, she had a job to do. Gender may have been a weapon, but I am sure that had a man been used instead that just as much fuss would have been made.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 31, 2016, 12:06:13 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 31, 2016, 11:43:16 AM

This is not a gender issue, it is a political issue. You are falling into a trap of accepting the framing of the narrative.

This person was a foot-soldier, she had a job to do. Gender may have been a weapon, but I am sure that had a man been used instead that just as much fuss would have been made.

Thought provoking point. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 31, 2016, 12:08:52 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 31, 2016, 11:08:47 AM

I've seen the video; it's a non-event. Indeed, I would expect it to be relatively common in such circumstances, and if Fields were not a "special" person, i.e. an owner/operator of a vagina, then this would not be news at all.

I agree.

However Lewandowski handled it horribly. A simple apology and the whole thing would have been yesterday's news - like the whopper about Cruz having 5 mistresses. But no, his hubris necessitated him to call her names and attack her credibility. He, and therefore Trump is paying the price for hubris and the unwillingness to apologize regardless of circumstances.

It will probably cost Trump any faint chance he might have had is pulling out the Republican Party nomination.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 31, 2016, 04:43:17 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 31, 2016, 03:20:14 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 30, 2016, 10:58:18 PM

You don't understand how SJWs work.

It would have been taken as "proof that Trump is anti-woman" and would have been used to further fan the flames.

Lewandowski did nothing wrong.

Now it comes out, there are at least 4 other people that Fields pulled this stunt on; plus claiming falsely that a guy "hacked her social media accounts", publicly naming him and subjecting him to harassment. She's a drama queen.

This.

In SJW-land, an "apology" is just an admission of guilty. The maneuver goes like this:

SJWs demand apology.

The target apologizes to "make it go away".

SJWs declare the apology to be "insincere", and proceed with character assassination of target, which they planned to do all along.

The best thing to do is refuse to apologize, and let the SJWs press their ridiculous claim, which then falls apart b/c the target refuses to be complicit.

B/B

It depends on how the apology was worded. I believe something like: We're sorry this happened, it was certainly a misunderstanding. My employee Lewandowski did not immediately realize who it was, he simply saw somebody getting so close they appeared to be making inappropriate contact. He took action to protect me, a Presidential candidate. Apparently these sort of things sometimes happen in these scrums. Again, sorry to Michelle for this misunderstanding, and we hope she can see why Mr. Lewandowski took the appropriate action which he did.

The End.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 31, 2016, 05:12:32 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 31, 2016, 04:43:17 PM

It depends on how the apology was worded. I believe something like: We're sorry this happened, it was certainly a misunderstanding. My employee Lewandowski did not immediately realize who it was, he simply saw somebody getting so close they appeared to be making inappropriate contact. He took action to protect me, a Presidential candidate. Apparently these sort of things sometimes happen in these scrums. Again, sorry to Michelle for this misunderstanding, and we hope she can see why Mr. Lewandowski took the appropriate action which he did.

The End.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on March 31, 2016, 08:35:48 PM

Speculation mounts that Hillary's FBI interview on her secret email server is imminent as investigation reaches 'critical stage'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3517830/Speculation-mounts-Hillary-s-FBI-interview-secret-email-server-imminent-investigation-reaches-critical-stage.html#ixzz44XImqYVT

I so hope this is true - an indictment by the FBI for serious Federal Crimes committed by Hillary Clinton and her CGI Globalist Crime cartel almost guarantees Trump as the President.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 31, 2016, 09:10:15 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on March 31, 2016, 08:35:48 PM

Speculation mounts that Hillary's FBI interview on her secret email server is imminent as investigation reaches 'critical stage'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3517830/Speculation-mounts-Hillary-s-FBI-interview-secret-email-server-imminent-investigation-reaches-critical-stage.html#ixzz44XImqYVT

I so hope this is true - an indictment by the FBI for serious Federal Crimes committed by Hillary Clinton and her CGI Globalist Crime cartel almost guarantees Trump as the President.

And it would be an era of unprecedented renewal of American Prosperity and Exceptionalism. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 31, 2016, 09:24:22 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 31, 2016, 11:39:34 AM

Watching women's hysterical responses, even from supposedly sober and intelligent women who write books for a living, seems to give weight to the arguments against women being able to vote. They sometimes do act like herd animals, i.e. sheep.

It must grind on you that women have any rights at all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on March 31, 2016, 09:32:00 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 31, 2016, 09:10:15 PM

And it would be an era of unprecedented renewal of American Prosperity and Exceptionalism.

Don't get your hopes up; yesterday, Paddy Power lowered the odds of a renewal of American prosperity and exceptionalism to 7/2.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on March 31, 2016, 11:16:02 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 31, 2016, 09:32:00 PM

Quote from: Anteros on March 31, 2016, 09:10:15 PM
And it would be an era of unprecedented renewal of American Prosperity and Exceptionalism.

Don't get your hopes up; yesterday, Paddy Power lowered the odds of a renewal of American prosperity and exceptionalism to 7/2.

Keep dreaming, drama. :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/v/Z35bbBBwQHQ

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on March 31, 2016, 11:44:15 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 31, 2016, 09:24:22 PM

Quote from: Slumba on March 31, 2016, 11:39:34 AM
Watching women's hysterical responses, even from supposedly sober and intelligent women who write books for a living, seems to give weight to the arguments against women being able to vote. They sometimes do act like herd animals, i.e. sheep.

It must grind on you that women have any rights at all.

If she is not barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, what use is she?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 12:05:08 AM

Quote from: Slumba on March 31, 2016, 11:44:15 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 31, 2016, 09:24:22 PM
Quote from: Slumba on March 31, 2016, 11:39:34 AM
Watching women's hysterical responses, even from supposedly sober and intelligent women who write books for a living, seems to give weight to the arguments against women being able to vote. They sometimes do act like herd animals, i.e. sheep.

It must grind on you that women have any rights at all.

If she is not barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen, what use is she?

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on April 01, 2016, 12:12:23 AM

I agree with the video that too often diversity soon become being a minority in your own community. I do not believe the George Soros types in this world and the huge money and powerful who want to destroy the West is going to let Trump become president because it would interfere with their plans. They will convince much of the population he is political incorrect and that is a bigger problem to be afraid of than the destruction of the nation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 12:26:05 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 01, 2016, 12:12:23 AM

I agree with the video that too often diversity soon become being a minority in your own community. I do not believe the George Soros types in this world and the huge money and powerful who want to destroy the West is going to let Trump become president because it would interfere with their plans. They will convince much of the population he is political incorrect and that is a bigger problem to be afraid of than the destruction of the nation.

It's too late for much of Europe. It remains to be seen what will happen in the USA, but clearly Hillary Clinton is the choice of the globalists who want to destroy the USA as we know it. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 01, 2016, 01:03:08 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 01, 2016, 12:12:23 AM

I agree with the video that too often diversity soon become being a minority in your own community. I do not believe the George Soros types in this world and the huge money and powerful who want to destroy the West is going to let Trump become president because it would interfere with their plans. They will convince much of the population he is political incorrect and that is a bigger problem to be afraid of than the destruction of the nation.

:thumbsup: I think that Trump is incorrect in saying that these people, Soros, Obama, Clinton et cetera are stupid and don't know what they are doing. They know exactly what they are doing. They want to emasculate the West and turn it into a population of weaklings that are incapable of true reform.

Bertrand Russell, "The Impact of Science on Society", 1953, pg 49-50*
"A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton."

And Bill Clinton's university professor and mentor, Carroll Quigley, "Tragedy and Hope", 1966, p. 1247-48 about the Democrat and Republican parties.

"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one perhaps of the Right, and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy... But either party in office becomes in time corrupt, tired, unenterprising, and vigorless. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same policies".

It's funny, both Shakespear and TomT see themselves are superior thinkers yet they can't see what is becoming obvious to all of us.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 01, 2016, 01:11:25 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 12:26:05 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 01, 2016, 12:12:23 AM
I agree with the video that too often diversity soon become being a minority in your own community. I do not believe the George Soros types in this world and the huge money and powerful who want to destroy the West is going to let Trump become president because it would interfere with their plans. They will convince much of the population he is political incorrect and that is a bigger problem to be afraid of than the destruction of the nation.

It's too late for much of Europe. It remains to be seen what will happen in the USA, but clearly Hillary Clinton is the choice of the globalists who want to destroy the USA as we know it. :coffeeread:

I agree. Ted Cruz BTW is a globalist as well. One only has to understand he worked for the Bush's, met his wife through the Bush's, that she is/was a member of the CFR, she worked right under Condi Rice forming foreign policy and is on leave from Goldman Sachs. Oh and Ted got a rather large million dollar loan from them for his campaign that he didn't disclose. Lying Ted Cruz is the Trojan horse into the tea party.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on April 01, 2016, 01:20:57 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 31, 2016, 04:43:17 PM

It depends on how the apology was worded. I believe something like: We're sorry this happened, it was certainly a misunderstanding. My employee Lewandowski did not immediately realize who it was, he simply saw somebody getting so close they appeared to be making inappropriate contact. He took action to protect me, a Presidential candidate. Apparently these sort of things sometimes happen in these scrums. Again, sorry to Michelle for this misunderstanding, and we hope she can see why Mr. Lewandowski took the appropriate action which he did.

The End.

"I apologize. I'm .. sorry. I'm sorry we had to defend ourselves against an unwarranted attack. I'm sorry that your news reporter was stupid enough to try to touch a man protected by secret service and was warned 2ce not to do so before. And I'm sorry I waited as long as I did before I took this action. .. As with everything else, it's the thought that counts."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 01, 2016, 01:39:22 AM

It is not possible to negotiate honestly with liars.
The woman was not attacked or assaulted. Her claim is dishonest and has a dishonest purpose.

There is no possibility of 'making an apology' that would countervail the dishonest purpose here. The reaction of Trump and his team was appropriate and the only one that could have been honestly taken.

To apologise for a dishonest act is to give credence to that act. Had an apology been made then the reaction would have been to continue the attack upon Trump and Lewandowski using the very apology given.

There is no 'win' and no 'out' here, no good option. This was a well executed sting on Team Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on April 01, 2016, 03:44:45 AM

Not sure if any of the other Brits watched the Trump programe on 4 the other night? It was quite a sobering experience for a bloke who's not really had the time or inclination to invest in the US presidential campaign.

The thrust of the 1 hour long documentary was that despite all the flaws and gaffs, Trump could conceivably become the next president of the United States. More worryingly though was the opposition. Cruz is nothing but a bible bashing, backwards excuse for a man with his weird campaign advert, duck hunting alongside a bloke you wouldn't leave anywhere near your kids. Couple that with his associates and their distressing ideologies, how can Americans vote for him?? Is it common for you guys to think that its acceptable to kill gays?

Then you've got Clinton......well enough said.

I sometimes wonder how two nations we associate as being twinned (UK/US) can be similar but so very different.....this programme enlightened me a little bit more.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 01, 2016, 04:04:14 AM

One has to say, if These are the best that can be found then, assuming that there is a democratic process in the USA and that's it's purpose is to find good leadership, there is something severely broken in both the process and the political processes designed to enable that leadership to be selected by popular acclaim.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on April 01, 2016, 04:12:48 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 01, 2016, 04:04:14 AM

One has to say, if These are the best that can be found then, assuming that there is a democratic process in the USA and that's it's purpose is to find good leadership, there is something severely broken in both the process and the political processes designed to enable that leadership to be selected by popular acclaim.

Totally agree. I expected brighter, more articulate and sensible candidates with a polished public image, to have been running for president. There's clearly lots of them in the US but none seem to be capable of leading the nation. That in itself is worrying and its no wonder we find the US interfering with the world community when the leader could be a member of the god squad with a bizarre outlook on life.

From a macroscopic POV, Obama appears to be quite normal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 01, 2016, 04:13:16 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 01, 2016, 04:04:14 AM

One has to say, if These are the best that can be found then, assuming that there is a democratic process in the USA and that's it's purpose is to find good leadership, there is something severely broken in both the process and the political processes designed to enable that leadership to be selected by popular acclaim.

It takes too long, and they still cannot get it right in the end result.. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 01, 2016, 04:49:15 AM

Rosco, Cruz is a scary fellow.

As you probably know, Daesh (Isis, IS, Isil) have a belief that they are alive at the end times. A part of that belief is that there will be a huge battle between good and evil with 'good' being the warriors of Daesh and 'evil' being Islamic apostates, Christians and other non-believers. The venue for that is to be the deserts of Syria in the region of Raqqua.

Well, the Christians have a similar nutty group who believe in a phenomenon called End Time. Again, this is a time of vengeance and war. Worse yet, many (most) believe that we are in those End Times right now. This from the Gospel of Luke which describes a complete unraveling of the social fabric, with widespread calamity and war:

Quote

Then he said to them, “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, and in various places famines and pestilences. And there will be terrors and great signs from heaven. But before all this they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors for my name's sake. This will be your opportunity to bear witness. Settle it therefore in your minds not to meditate beforehand how to answer, for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict. You will be delivered up even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and some of you they will put to death. You will be hated by all for my name's sake. But not a hair of your head will perish. By your endurance you will gain your lives.

Turns out that Ted and his dad are both End Times nutters, albeit that Ted, sensibly enough, does not make a big thing of it right now. Both are also representatives of a sect that believes in the concept of Dominionism: CLICK HERE! (http://www.politicalresearch.org/2016/02/14/dominionism-is-the-new-religious-freedom/#sthash.qVmVDr5g.dpbs) a rather scary and even more nutty extension of the cult of exceptionalism that infects US polity at the moment.

This is a man, who, because of his cult beliefs will go to war against those who do not kow-tow to his beliefs. He and his adherents (millions of 'em) WANT to go to war in order to save their own souls.

I have to say, I am a tad concerned by the level of nuttiness present in the candidates for US president.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 01, 2016, 05:25:35 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 01, 2016, 04:49:15 AM

Rosco, Cruz is a scary fellow.

As you probably know, Daesh (Isis, IS, Isil) have a belief that they are alive at the end times. A part of that belief is that there will be a huge battle between good and evil with 'good' being the warriors of Daesh and 'evil' being Islamic apostates, Christians and other non-believers. The venue for that is to be the deserts of Syria in the region of Raqqua.

I've heard Daesh (or equivalent) wants Trump in to help start this war of the end times. So he will try and help Trump's campaign by carrying out acts terror. You can read all kinds of theories I kow.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on April 01, 2016, 05:30:09 AM

Bloody hell. A scary and thought provoking concept, being stuck in the middle of two misguided religious ideologies, pulling everyone into their own apocalyptic wet dream. It's my opinion that religion should be completely separate from law and politics and people like Ted and his fellow idiots should be banned from running for president.

I suppose the problem surfaces when you've got like minded sheep voting for these blokes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 01, 2016, 05:51:06 AM

Quote from: rosco on April 01, 2016, 05:30:09 AM

I suppose the problem surfaces when you've got like minded sheep voting for these blokes.

Nope, the real problem is when the sheep don't know about this stuff!

When I first learned about these End Times nutters a few years ago I thought that they were just a bunch of nutters. Now I know that they might be a bunch of nutters, but there's a lot of them nutters out there! CLICK HERE! (http://www.raptureforums.com/Signs/50reasons.cfm)

Worse yet, when we start to see political policy that recognizes the phenomenon then, even if not made explicit, then it gets more scary. Is current US foreign policy rooted in the concepts of End Days and Dominionism? Well, to my eyes the concept of Exceptionalism is knocking right on the door and the ideas about laying waste to entire counties and regions, particularly given that ALL those regions are not Anglo Saxon Protestant, is End Times writ large.I bet that there's a host of End Times believers who think that the refugee crisis is God's Will in motion.

Maxx, I dunno where you got that idea from, but Trump has made it clear that the basis of his foreign policy would be non-intervention. That's not going to support your suggestion. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 01, 2016, 06:03:28 AM

Well another news cycle passes without mention of the bombastic story from the National Inquirer about Cruz and his 5 mistresses.

Time now to admit you're wrong Andrewfi, that's a good gentleman.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 01, 2016, 06:19:03 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 01, 2016, 05:51:06 AM

Quote from: rosco on April 01, 2016, 05:30:09 AM
I suppose the problem surfaces when you've got like minded sheep voting for these blokes.

Nope, the real problem is when the sheep don't know about this stuff!

When I first learned about these End Times nutters a few years ago I thought that they were just a bunch of nutters. Now I know that they might be a bunch of nutters, but there's a lot of them nutters out there! CLICK HERE! (http://www.raptureforums.com/Signs/50reasons.cfm)

Worse yet, when we start to see political policy that recognizes the phenomenon then, even if not made explicit, then it gets more scary. Is current US foreign policy rooted in the concepts of End Days and Dominionism? Well, to my eyes the concept of Exceptionalism is knocking right on the door and the ideas about laying waste to entire counties and regions, particularly given that ALL those regions are not Anglo Saxon Protestant, is End Times writ large.I bet that there's a host of End Times believers who think that the refugee crisis is God's Will in motion.

Maxx, I dunno where you got that idea from, but Trump has made it clear that the basis of his foreign policy would be non-intervention. That's not going to support your suggestion. :)

Not my suggestion. Probably that of someone who doesn't like Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 01, 2016, 08:38:34 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 31, 2016, 11:16:02 PM

Keep dreaming, drama. :laugh:

Today, it's down to 9/2. Apparently, Paddy reads the news.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/is-donald-trump-self-destructing

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 08:46:46 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 01, 2016, 06:03:28 AM

Well another news cycle passes without mention of the bombastic story from the National Inquirer about Cruz and his 5 mistresses.

Time now to admit you're wrong Andrewfi, that's a good gentleman.

Well only if you are purposefully NOT reading any news... Ann Coulter has been on a number of shows and is incredulous that the Family Values Born Again Evangelical Rapture candidate Raphael Eduard Cruz keeps blaming Donald Trump when it was Marco Lube job Rubio's opposition research slimers that were sitting on this story as gay foam party boy Lube Job Rubio got crushed in the Florida primaries and did not want this information released as it would ironically HELP Trump.

It was reported Rubio had his opposition research slimers dig this information up on Cruz to offset and prevent Cruz from releasing photo proofs of Rubio participating in huge Miami Gay Nightclub foam parties having random foam party Cuban consensual conga line sex in college. The Rubio slimer staffers were out of jobs with Rubio's FLA meltdown and so went to National Enquirer to sell their research and National Enquirer after fact checking and legal review paid willingly for this true Crude-bwoy Cruzer Story ...

Why do I say true - because Cruz is such a slimy weasel rat Cuban-Canadian natural born lying libelous lawyer delusionally thinking he should be CiC and POTUS - if NOT true Cruzer would have filed slander and libel lawsuits by now if the National Enquirer article was not based in truth and facts. If you are a married evangelical political preacher and preaching morality to the voting masses and you do not want to be the subject of a National Enquirer Slimy Sex Scandal Spread over two full pages then do not plant your special Cuban seed in five different fertile feral feminine gardens NOT your wife.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 01, 2016, 09:21:57 AM

Cruz is for me, very easy to read after I watched some video of him and read about the sex scandal.

He is a VERY intelligent guy (140+ IQ) brought up in a religion composed of 100-110IQ leaders.

The magical thinking of this branch of Christianity has good character-building things in it; but also has some deeply weird political tie-ins.

I suppose that Brits will be relieved when I tell you that from what I can tell, he doesn't believe in what he is spouting.

However it is very dangerous for a well-educated, powerful man to lose his moral compass.

And given that Cruz could well use his rhetoric and his base of support, to push for more neoconservative warmongering, that is extremely scary. Neocons of course, love the military-industrial complex and its ability to pump lots of $$$ into their pockets.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 01, 2016, 09:29:06 AM

Intelligent sociopaths are much more dangerous than the stupid variety.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 01, 2016, 09:37:28 AM

Cuffy and Anteros, it's time you are brought to water and MADE to drink . . . . . .

Your boy is done. He's hemorrhaging support by the hour. Estimates are Cruz will get 36 votes in Wisconsin and Trump will get 6. 70% of women will not vote for him. He's not going to be the Republican nominee. He was NEVER going to be the Republican nominee.. . . . . . .

So you've got two choices: Get on board with the team supporting the candidate selected at the convention who has the best chance of defeating Hillary Clinton,

OR

Continue to support Trump as he hissy fits his way to a third party candidacy and hand the Presidency to Hillary Clinton.

You've got to ask yourself now, whom do you HATE more, Hillary Clinton or the Republican Party establishment.

If you are a real US veteran, loyal to preserving The Constitution, the answer is clear what needs to be done. Put your "big boy pants on", grow up and do the right thing!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on April 01, 2016, 09:43:36 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 08:46:46 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 01, 2016, 06:03:28 AM
Well another news cycle passes without mention of the bombastic story from the National Inquirer about Cruz and his 5 mistresses.

Time now to admit you're wrong Andrewfi, that's a good gentleman.

Well only if you are purposefully NOT reading any news... Ann Coulter has been on a number of shows and is incredulous that the Family Values Born Again Evangelical Rapture candidate Raphael Eduard Cruz keeps blaming Donald Trump when it was Marco Lube job Rubio's opposition research slimers that were sitting on this story as gay foam party boy Lube Job Rubio got crushed in the Florida primaries and did not want this information released as it would ironically HELP Trump.

It was reported Rubio had his opposition research slimers dig this information up on Cruz to offset and prevent Cruz from releasing photo proofs of Rubio participating in huge Miami Gay Nightclub foam parties having random foam party Cuban consensual conga line sex in college. The Rubio slimer staffers were out of jobs with Rubio's FLA meltdown and so went to National Enquirer to sell their research and National Enquirer after fact checking and legal review paid willingly for this true Crude-bwoy Cruzer Story ...

Why do I say true - because Cruz is such a slimy weasel rat Cuban-Canadian natural born lying libelous lawyer delusionally thinking he should be CiC and POTUS - if NOT true Cruzer would have filed slander and libel lawsuits by now if the National Enquirer article was not based in truth and facts. If you are a married evangelical political preacher and preaching morality to the voting masses and you do not want to be the subject of a National Enquirer Slimy Sex Scandal Spread over two full pages then do not plant your special Cuban seed in five different fertile feral feminine gardens NOT your wife.

Cuffy, it would be a lot easier for me to read if you used english.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 01, 2016, 10:09:56 AM

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/04/01/hannity-says-hes-been-unable-to-book-cruz-for-last-10-days/

Just a coincidence I am sure, that Cruz won't go on any long interviews after the National Enquirer story broke.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 10:43:59 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 01, 2016, 09:37:28 AM

Cuffy and Anteros, it's time you are brought to water and MADE to drink . . . . . .

Your boy is done. He's hemorrhaging support by the hour. Estimates are Cruz will get 36 votes in Wisconsin and Trump will get 6. 70% of women will not vote for him. He's not going to be the Republican nominee. He was NEVER going to be the Republican nominee.. . . . . . .

So you've got two choices: Get on board with the team supporting the candidate selected at the convention who has the best chance of defeating Hillary Clinton,

OR

Continue to support Trump as he hissy fits his way to a third party candidacy and hand the Presidency to Hillary Clinton.

You've got to ask yourself now, whom do you HATE more, Hillary Clinton or the Republican Party establishment.

If you are a real US veteran, loyal to preserving The Constitution, the answer is clear what needs to be done. Put your "big boy pants on", grow up and do the right thing!

I am shocked and truly dismayed that a former USMC commissioned officer is so clueless and delusional - this election is between GLOBALIST Traitors and Patriotic American Nationalists:

GLOBALIST Soros Open Society Open Borders Traitors:

Romney

Bush Cartel

Rove

Clinton CGI Crime Cartel

Communist Socialist Marxist Feminist pro LGBTQ Bernie Sanders

Cruz

Rubio

Kasich

The only truly Patriotic Pro USA-first Nationalist running is Donald J. Trump - The GOP establishment is officially on suicide watch - the General Election will see Hillary Clinton and her Crime Cartel indicted and prosecuted for multiple Federal Crimes - the General Election will see a tidal wave of GOP patriots, Dissatisfied Berners, Reagan Democrats and Independent men and their women vote in force for the True American Patriot the honorable Donald J. Trump.

NOTE: When in combat you DO NOT care if your brothers in arms were boy scouts, alter boys or nice to furry little animals - you only care that they stand shoulder to shoulder with you when it comes time to fight and kill the enemy. that they will have your back as you have theirs. Trump has our back and millions of True Patriots, TEA party, NRA members and Patriotic Veterans have his.

Anyone supporting the Globalists is a traitor and an enemy... the friends of our enemies are our ENEMIES... the revolution is coming and some of us are truly ready to die to defend our beloved country and constitutional FREEDOMS!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on April 01, 2016, 10:45:43 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 01, 2016, 09:37:28 AM

Cuffy and Anteros, it's time you are brought to water and MADE to drink . . . . . .

Your boy is done. He's hemorrhaging support by the hour. Estimates are Cruz will get 36 votes in Wisconsin and Trump will get 6. 70% of women will not vote for him. He's not going to be the Republican nominee. He was NEVER going to be the Republican nominee.. . . . . . .

So you've got two choices: Get on board with the team supporting the candidate selected at the convention who has the best chance of defeating Hillary Clinton,

OR

Continue to support Trump as he hissy fits his way to a third party candidacy and hand the Presidency to Hillary Clinton.

You've got to ask yourself now, whom do you HATE more, Hillary Clinton or the Republican Party establishment.

If you are a real US veteran, loyal to preserving The Constitution, the answer is clear what needs to be done. Put your "big boy pants on", grow up and do the right thing!

First Wisconsin is a winner take all state. At the rate the GOP is losing support Hillary could be in jail and still win. This way maybe she could pardon herself.

You've got to ask yourself now, whom do you HATE more, Hillary Clinton or the Republican Party establishment. I bet most of the country hate the Republican Party establishment more that is why there is a Donald Trump in the first place.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 10:45:58 AM

Quote from: yankee on April 01, 2016, 09:43:36 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 08:46:46 AM
Quote from: shakespear on April 01, 2016, 06:03:28 AM
Well another news cycle passes without mention of the bombastic story from the National Inquirer about Cruz and his 5 mistresses.

Time now to admit you're wrong Andrewfi, that's a good gentleman.

Well only if you are purposefully NOT reading any news... Ann Coulter has been on a number of shows and is incredulous that the Family Values Born Again Evangelical Rapture candidate Raphael Eduard Cruz keeps blaming Donald Trump when it was Marco Lube job Rubio's opposition research slimers that were sitting on this story as gay foam party boy Lube Job Rubio got crushed in the Florida primaries and did not want this information released as it would ironically HELP Trump.

It was reported Rubio had his opposition research slimers dig this information up on Cruz to offset and prevent Cruz from releasing photo proofs of Rubio participating in huge Miami Gay Nightclub foam parties having random foam party Cuban consensual conga line sex in college. The Rubio slimer staffers were out of jobs with Rubio's FLA meltdown and so went to National Enquirer to sell their research and National Enquirer after fact checking and legal review paid willingly for this true Crude-bwoy Cruzer Story ...

Why do I say true - because Cruz is such a slimy weasel rat Cuban-Canadian natural born lying libelous lawyer delusionally thinking he should be CiC and POTUS - if NOT true Cruzer would have filed slander and libel lawsuits by now if the National Enquirer article was not based in truth and facts. If you are a married evangelical political preacher and preaching morality to the voting masses and you do not want to be the subject of a National Enquirer Slimy Sex Scandal Spread over two full pages then do not plant your special Cuban seed in five different fertile feral feminine gardens NOT your wife.

Cuffy, it would be a lot easier for me to read if you used english.

Alliteration is an art because it causes one to pause and THINK.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 10:50:11 AM

Quote from: Markje on April 01, 2016, 01:20:57 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 31, 2016, 04:43:17 PM

It depends on how the apology was worded. I believe something like: We're sorry this happened, it was certainly a misunderstanding. My employee Lewandowski did not immediately realize who it was, he simply saw somebody getting so close they appeared to be making inappropriate contact. He took action to protect me, a Presidential candidate. Apparently these sort of things sometimes happen in these scrums. Again, sorry to Michelle for this misunderstanding, and we hope she can see why Mr. Lewandowski took the appropriate action which he did.

The End.

"I apologize. I'm .. sorry. I'm sorry we had to defend ourselves against an unwarranted attack. I'm sorry that your news reporter was stupid enough to try to touch a man protected by secret service and was warned 2ce not to do so before. And I'm sorry I waited as long as I did before I took this action. .. As with everything else, it's the thought that counts."

Perhaps now you better understand the diplomacy which is required of a Presidential candidate. In your case you're being cynical, however a thoughtful person could make it sound much better than you did.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 10:52:57 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 01, 2016, 01:03:08 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 01, 2016, 12:12:23 AM
I agree with the video that too often diversity soon become being a minority in your own community. I do not believe the George Soros types in this world and the huge money and powerful who want to destroy the West is going to let Trump become president because it would interfere with their plans. They will convince much of the population he is political incorrect and that is a bigger problem to be afraid of than the destruction of the nation.

:thumbsup: I think that Trump is incorrect in saying that these people, Soros, Obama, Clinton et cetera are stupid and don't know what they are doing. They know exactly what they are doing. They want to emasculate the West and turn it into a population of weaklings that are incapable of true reform.

Bertrand Russell, "The Impact of Science on Society", 1953, pg 49-50*
"A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton."

And Bill Clinton's university professor and mentor, Carroll Quigley, "Tragedy and Hope", 1966, p. 1247-48 about the Democrat and Republican parties.

"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one perhaps of the Right, and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy... But either party in office becomes in time corrupt, tired, unenterprising, and vigorless. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same policies".

It's funny, both Shakespear and TomT see themselves are superior thinkers yet they can't see what is obvious to most of us.

Boom! And I made one small correction in order to FTFY. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 11:03:16 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 01, 2016, 04:49:15 AM

Rosco, Cruz is a scary fellow.

As you probably know, Daesh (Isis, IS, Isil) have a belief that they are alive at the end times. A part of that belief is that there will be a huge battle between good and evil with 'good' being the warriors of Daesh and 'evil' being Islamic apostates, Christians and other non-believers. The venue for that is to be the deserts of Syria in the region of Raqqua.

Well, the Christians have a similar nutty group who believe in a phenomenon called End Time. Again, this is a time of vengeance and war. Worse yet, many (most) believe that we are in those End Times right now. This from the Gospel of Luke which describes a complete unraveling of the social fabric, with widespread calamity and war:

Quote
Then he said to them, “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, and in various places famines and pestilences. And there will be terrors and great signs from heaven. But before all this they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons, and you will be brought before kings and governors for my name's sake. This will be your opportunity to bear witness. Settle it therefore in your minds not to meditate beforehand how to answer, for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict. You will be delivered up even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and some of you they will put to death. You will be hated by all for my name's sake. But not a hair of your head will perish. By your endurance you will gain your lives.

Turns out that Ted and his dad are both End Times nutters, albeit that Ted, sensibly enough, does not make a big thing of it right now. Both are also representatives of a sect that believes in the concept of Dominionism: CLICK HERE! (http://www.politicalresearch.org/2016/02/14/dominionism-is-the-new-religious-freedom/#sthash.qVmVDr5g.dpbs) a rather scary and even more nutty extension of the cult of exceptionalism that infects US polity at the moment.

This is a man, who, because of his cult beliefs will go to war against those who do not kow-tow to his beliefs. He and his adherents (millions of 'em) WANT to go to war in order to save their own souls.

I have to say, I am a tad concerned by the level of nuttiness present in the candidates for US president.

No, you're WRONG as usual. We won't "go to war against those who do not kow-tow to (our) beliefs", we will only go to war against those who believe it's us or them, and have shown us that they intend to dominate us, murder us, drown us, decapitate us, sell our children and women into sexual slavery, etc. through their barbaric 7th Century methods.

What's happening right now in Europe is clearly a well planned and executed Trojan horse and most of you fools have welcomed these barbarians onto your territory with open arms.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 11:07:48 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 01, 2016, 09:29:06 AM

Intelligent sociopaths are much more dangerous than the stupid variety.

However not every sociopath is running for President, some just hang out on forums due to their limited "CV". :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 11:09:14 AM

I thought this might be an April Fool's Day joke but realized it is true:

The Brussels Bombing, Vibrant DIVERSITY & Why TRUMP CAN WIN

<youtube>

OOOPs a little help on the YouTube embed code?

YouTube sharing link:

Note "vibrant" is now a code word see Urban Dictionary:

Used by middle-class liberals, mainly women and feminized men, to refer to a run-down crime-ridden area, populated in the main by ethnic minorities where they can buy quirky food items for recipes which usually don't turn out very well.

I simply love visiting this area during the daytime, it's so...vibrant!

I wouldn't like to live here, it's a bit...vibrant...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 11:10:51 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 01, 2016, 09:37:28 AM

Cuffy and Anteros, it's time you are brought to water and MADE to drink . . . . . .

Your boy is done. He's hemorrhaging support by the hour. Estimates are Cruz will get 36 votes in Wisconsin and Trump will get 6. 70% of women will not vote for him. He's not going to be the Republican nominee. He was NEVER going to be the Republican nominee.. . . . . . .

So you've got two choices: Get on board with the team supporting the candidate selected at the convention who has the best chance of defeating Hillary Clinton,

OR

Continue to support Trump as he hissy fits his way to a third party candidacy and hand the Presidency to Hillary Clinton.

You've got to ask yourself now, whom do you HATE more, Hillary Clinton or the Republican Party establishment.

If you are a real US veteran, loyal to preserving The Constitution, the answer is clear what needs to be done. Put your "big boy pants on", grow up and do the right thing!

I already stated a long time ago that I would vote for the Republican nominee, regardless of who it is. It's you who is on the "never Trump" bandwagon and you and your ilk which is destroying the party. And don't count your chickens before they hatch. Wisconsin will be just a small hiccup on the way.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 11:12:01 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 11:09:14 AM

I thought this might be an April Fool's Day joke but realized it is true:

The Brussels Bombing, Vibrant DIVERSITY & Why TRUMP CAN WIN

YouTube sharing link:

Note "vibrant" is now a code word see Urban Dictionary:

Used by middle-class liberals, mainly women and feminized men, to refer to a run-down crime-ridden area, populated in the main by ethnic minorities where they can buy quirky food items for recipes which usually don't turn out very well.

I simply love visiting this area during the daytime, it's so...vibrant!

I wouldn't like to live here, it's a bit...vibrant...

Try reading the rest of the thread, I already posted that video up thread.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 11:30:14 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 11:12:01 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 11:09:14 AM
I thought this might be an April Fool's Day joke but realized it is true:

The Brussels Bombing, Vibrant DIVERSITY & Why TRUMP CAN WIN

YouTube sharing link:

Note "vibrant" is now a code word see Urban Dictionary:

Used by middle-class liberals, mainly women and feminized men, to refer to a run-down crime-ridden area, populated in the main by ethnic minorities where they can buy quirky food items for recipes which usually don't turn out very well.

I simply love visiting this area during the daytime, it's so...vibrant!

I wouldn't like to live here, it's a bit...vibrant...

Try reading the rest of the thread, I already posted that video up thread.

Instead of yelling in text how about sharing the link to you post...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 11:57:52 AM

Brain went on holiday and been searching all over on RUA for how to embed a youtube or vimeo video - found everything but... so a little hint here is appreciated. Link to how to preferred so I can favorite it...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 12:02:06 PM

This ought to warm the cockles of our resident Globalists hearts:

A "fresh face might be the best"...WTF is Rove on? I love the daily reminders on just how out of touch DC is with the common man and the entire country this political cycle

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rove-fresh-face-might-be-best-for-gop/article/2587383

The audacity of these GOP establishment cronies knows no bounds. And they won't get it until we are at the gates with pitchforks and torches.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 01, 2016, 12:44:20 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 01, 2016, 10:45:43 AM

First Wisconsin is a winner take all state.

No it's not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 01:05:19 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 11:30:14 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 11:12:01 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 11:09:14 AM
I thought this might be an April Fool's Day joke but realized it is true:

The Brussels Bombing, Vibrant DIVERSITY & Why TRUMP CAN WIN

YouTube sharing link:

Note "vibrant" is now a code word see Urban Dictionary:

Used by middle-class liberals, mainly women and feminized men, to refer to a run-down crime-ridden area, populated in the main by ethnic minorities where they can buy quirky food items for recipes which usually don't turn out very well.

I simply love visiting this area during the daytime, it's so...vibrant!

I wouldn't like to live here, it's a bit...vibrant...

Try reading the rest of the thread, I already posted that video up thread.

Instead of yelling in text how about sharing the link to you post...

Reply #2064. You should also be aware that the guy who made the video doesn't really like or respect Trump, however his conclusion is that it's inevitable that Trump will win the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 01:09:13 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 11:57:52 AM

Brain went on holiday and been searching all over on RUA for how to embed a youtube or vimeo video - found everything but... so a little hint here is appreciated. Link to how to preferred so I can favorite it...

Find the Youtube link you want such as:

Copy the data that appears after the '=' and replace the '***' in the following text:

[fflash=725,575]http://www.youtube.com/v/***[/flash]

It now should appear as:

[fflash=725,575]http://www.youtube.com/v/TaSo2v_0hY4[/flash]

Change fflash to flash.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 02:05:25 PM

Will They Steal The Election From Donald Trump?

http://www.youtube.com/v/SbmS0W-Dor4

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 02:08:21 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 01:09:13 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 11:57:52 AM
Brain went on holiday and been searching all over on RUA for how to embed a youtube or vimeo video - found everything but... so a little hint here is appreciated. Link to how to preferred so I can favorite it...

Find the Youtube link you want such as:

Copy the data that appears after the '=' and replace the '***' in the following text:

[fflash=725,575]http://www.youtube.com/v/***[/flash]

It now should appear as:

[fflash=725,575]http://www.youtube.com/v/TaSo2v_0hY4[/flash]

Change fflash to flash.

Got it thanks... frame size a bit large for my Win7 notebook PC...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on April 01, 2016, 02:22:55 PM

For Republicans, the Wisconsin primary is likewise difficult to call based on poll information alone. Using the same Emerson poll as for Democrats, Ted Cruz is beating out Donald Trump by one percentage point — though that’s in a poll with a 4.6 percent margin of error. With a winner-take-all race of 42 delegates in Wisconsin, that scant advantage could be major for Ted —
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2937159/wisconsin-primary-polls-2016-democrat-and-republican-results-could-be-big-news-for-both-sides/#s3vC5qOwTFuoW8kb.99

http://www.inquisitr.com/2937159/wisconsin-primary-polls-2016-democrat-and-republican-results-could-be-big-news-for-both-sides/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 01, 2016, 02:44:37 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 01, 2016, 02:22:55 PM

For Republicans, the Wisconsin primary is likewise difficult to call based on poll information alone. Using the same Emerson poll as for Democrats, Ted Cruz is beating out Donald Trump by one percentage point — though that’s in a poll with a 4.6 percent margin of error. With a winner-take-all race of 42 delegates in Wisconsin, that scant advantage could be major for Ted —
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2937159/wisconsin-primary-polls-2016-democrat-and-republican-results-could-be-big-news-for-both-sides/#s3vC5qOwTFuoW8kb.99

http://www.inquisitr.com/2937159/wisconsin-primary-polls-2016-democrat-and-republican-results-could-be-big-news-for-both-sides/

Sorry. Your source is in error.

15 delegates awarded to the candidate with the most votes statewide

3 delegates for statewide officials, also awarded to to the candidate with the most votes statewide

24 delegates, 3 awarded to candidate winning in each of the 8 congressional districts

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 01, 2016, 02:46:06 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 02:05:25 PM

Will They Steal The Election From Donald Trump?

It ain't stealing if he doesn't get 1237.

Better question to ask, will Trump steal the nomination from 62% of Republicans who voted against him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 03:00:03 PM

A very serious UK produced video 31 March 2016 that in the final frames asks for US help to save Britain urging all in the US to vote for Donald Trump in 2016:

http://www.youtube.com/v/qaIVUhRqYa4

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 01, 2016, 04:24:42 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 11:10:51 AM

I already stated a long time ago that I would vote for the Republican nominee, regardless of who it is.

Landslide boy has mutated into votes-for-anything-that-moves boy.

It's a good thing because his idol has been downgraded twice in the same day.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on April 02, 2016, 03:32:57 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 01:09:13 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 11:57:52 AM
Brain went on holiday and been searching all over on RUA for how to embed a youtube or vimeo video - found everything but... so a little hint here is appreciated. Link to how to preferred so I can favorite it...

Find the Youtube link you want such as:

Copy the data that appears after the '=' and replace the '***' in the following text:

[fflash=725,575]http://www.youtube.com/v/***[/flash]

It now should appear as:

[fflash=725,575]http://www.youtube.com/v/TaSo2v_0hY4[/flash]

Change fflash to flash.

Easier, just put youtube around the youtube id like this:

(quote this post to see the source)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 02, 2016, 05:49:54 AM

I have a Apple Macbook Air. I just copy the youtube link at the top. It looks like this

I insert between the youtube link at the far left of the page here for posting things.

[youtube ][/youtube]

[youtube ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZtSl-3YWjQ[/ youtube]

Then I cut the 's' out of the https

And get this

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 02, 2016, 11:47:10 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 01, 2016, 04:24:42 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 01, 2016, 11:10:51 AM
I already stated a long time ago that I would vote for the Republican nominee, regardless of who it is.

Landslide boy has mutated into votes-for-anything-that-moves boy.

It's a good thing because his idol has been downgraded twice in the same day.

As usual your head is buried in the sand and it's causing you cognitive problems. Let me help you out.

1. Over a year ago my top two favorites were Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio. This was before Trump entered the race. Jeb Bush was the presumptive favorite. Although I don't care for Jeb, I pledged to vote for the nominee, regardless of who it was going to be. Let me repeat: that was over a year ago.

2. After Trump entered the race I was interested in him but his comments about John McCain were a very big turn-off. I still kept watching him and eventually about 5 months ago he became my favorite. However unlike pseudo-Republicans like Shakespear I maintained my pledge to vote for the nominee, regardless of who it might be.

3. If Trump is the Republican nominee and Hillary is the Democratic nominee, I still believe Trump will win in a landslide. If he only wins by a small margin or even if Hillary wins (highly unlikely -- once it boils down to those two Trump will do a number on her just like he did to Jeb Bush) it won't break my heart. After all, this is only a forum and I'm only expressing my opinion.

Clearly my opinion is very important to you, as you observe it with eager anticipation and respond in kind. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 02, 2016, 01:37:40 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 02, 2016, 11:47:10 AM

Clearly my opinion is very important to you...

Of course your opinion is important! I can't help but notice that you are wavering, however; that "if" isn't very reassuring. Cheer up! Paddy still has Trump as favorite for the nomination.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 02, 2016, 02:26:52 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 02, 2016, 01:37:40 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 02, 2016, 11:47:10 AM
Clearly my opinion is very important to you...

Of course your opinion is important! I can't help but notice that you are wavering, however; that "if" isn't very reassuring. Cheer up! Paddy still has Trump as favorite for the nomination.

I put an if because I'm not 100% sure that Trump will be the R. nominee, nor am I 100% sure it will be Hillary on the D. side.

God willing she will be indicted for felony mishandling of classified material and abuse of her office for profit and she won't be able to continue as a candidate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 02, 2016, 02:35:19 PM

Trump not welcome in West Hollywood. No big surprise, as they like to take it up the rear-end there. :laugh:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/calif-mayor-trump-not-welcome-here/ar-BBrgqeF?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on April 03, 2016, 03:44:58 AM

I am SO proud of my younger daughter ..who I have had v.little influence over - she was brought up by her Ma and step-dad, mainly..

Just found her comments on Trumps latest 'foot in the mouth moment'

''So Donald trump claims all Mexicans are "rapists". He also claims that all women who have had a LEGAL abortion should be punished. So what would he propose to a woman who had been raped by one of those "drug-dealing", "raping" Mexicans and became pregnant... Surely he wouldn't want her to be carrying another "immigrant" who will simply grow up to become a "rapist" or "drug-dealer" who would pose a threat to the USA purely because of his blood? Or maybe he would just throw the woman over the :censored: ing massive wall he intends to build. Knobhead. ????????????????????????''

Go girl..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 03, 2016, 06:42:23 AM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 03, 2016, 08:37:41 AM

Listening to an interview with Reince Priebus He gave the impression therRepublican party is preparing to support Trump as the candidate in the general election.
Trump might have had an off week but there is still time to turn things around.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 03, 2016, 09:42:31 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 03, 2016, 08:37:41 AM

Listening to an interview with Reince Priebus He gave the impression therRepublican party is preparing to support Trump as the candidate in the general election.
Trump might have had an off week but there is still time to turn things around.

Let's hope that they see sense and support him against Hillary (I'm so beautiful and clever) Clinton..

He's probably their only chance this time round.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 03, 2016, 11:32:14 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 03, 2016, 09:42:31 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 03, 2016, 08:37:41 AM
Listening to an interview with Reince Priebus He gave the impression therRepublican party is preparing to support Trump as the candidate in the general election.
Trump might have had an off week but there is still time to turn things around.

Let's hope that they see sense and support him against Hillary (I'm so beautiful and clever) Clinton.

He's probably their only chance this time round.

The US Sunday morning main scream media meme today was "The GOP is in fear that Trump will take the GOP "down" with him and they will lose the House"(of Representatives).

The incredible misinformation campaign by the media that Trump's campaign has hit a Wisconsin Cheese wall this week is laughable. First off Wisconsin has a long history as a socialist state in fine Teutonic Nordic tradition. So Wisconsin is basically another Minnesota - irrelevant in the big National picture. The Screaming media meme also ignores the millions of new voters Trump has attracted to vote GOP many for the first time in their lives.

The Trump meeting with the GOP this week was one of Let's Get Real...

Trump has over $250 Million in major donor pledges to help him get elected and fight against the Criminal Clinton Global Initiatives Corruption Cartel.

No one else can attract this level of capital to the GOP.

Trump has NOT authorized any Super PACs and is self-funding his campaign - however with the $1 Billion USD the Corrupt Clinton Crime Cartel is expected to spend via its supporting SuperPACs the Trump team knows they have to help the GOP raise megabucks to support both the Trump eventual nomination and to also help support key House and Senate seats that Trump will need to help pass vital legislation.

This is Trump's massive poker chip - treat Trump fairly in the nominating process and Trump unleashes a tidal wave of funding and support for the entire GOP team nationwide.

Screw Trump and the GOP screws itself.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 03, 2016, 11:34:35 AM

Quote from: msmoby on April 03, 2016, 03:44:58 AM

I am SO proud of my younger daughter ..who I have had v.little influence over - she was brought up by her Ma and step-dad, mainly..

Just found her comments on Trumps latest 'foot in the mouth moment'

''So Donald trump claims all Mexicans are "rapists". He also claims that all women who have had a LEGAL abortion should be punished. So what would he propose to a woman who had been raped by one of those "drug-dealing", "raping" Mexicans and became pregnant... Surely he wouldn't want her to be carrying another "immigrant" who will simply grow up to become a "rapist" or "drug-dealer" who would pose a threat to the USA purely because of his blood? Or maybe he would just throw the woman over the :censored: ing massive wall he intends to build. Knobhead. ????????????????????????''

Go girl..

That she is repeating mis-quotes is hardly something to be proud of. But at least she is reading :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 03, 2016, 11:47:13 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 03, 2016, 11:34:35 AM

Quote from: msmoby on April 03, 2016, 03:44:58 AM
I am SO proud of my younger daughter ..who I have had v.little influence over - she was brought up by her Ma and step-dad, mainly..

Just found her comments on Trumps latest 'foot in the mouth moment'

''So Donald trump claims all Mexicans are "rapists". He also claims that all women who have had a LEGAL abortion should be punished. So what would he propose to a woman who had been raped by one of those "drug-dealing", "raping" Mexicans and became pregnant... Surely he wouldn't want her to be carrying another "immigrant" who will simply grow up to become a "rapist" or "drug-dealer" who would pose a threat to the USA purely because of his blood? Or maybe he would just throw the woman over the :censored: ing massive wall he intends to build. Knobhead. ????????????????????????''

Go girl..

That she is repeating mis-quotes is hardly something to be proud of. But at least she is reading :chuckle:

Repeating mis-quotes and presenting half-truths as gospel is a specialty of the left.

Soon enough Moby and company will be begging the USA and President Trump to save the remnants of their kingdom from being Rotherdamned from one end to the other.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 03, 2016, 11:48:26 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 03, 2016, 06:42:23 AM

:D

Fascinating. I suppose it's almost as much staging as a Clinton event.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 03, 2016, 11:49:42 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 03, 2016, 11:34:35 AM

Quote from: msmoby on April 03, 2016, 03:44:58 AM
I am SO proud of my younger daughter ..who I have had v.little influence over - she was brought up by her Ma and step-dad, mainly..

Just found her comments on Trumps latest 'foot in the mouth moment'

''So Donald trump claims all Mexicans are "rapists". He also claims that all women who have had a LEGAL abortion should be punished. So what would he propose to a woman who had been raped by one of those "drug-dealing", "raping" Mexicans and became pregnant... Surely he wouldn't want her to be carrying another "immigrant" who will simply grow up to become a "rapist" or "drug-dealer" who would pose a threat to the USA purely because of his blood? Or maybe he would just throw the woman over the :censored: ing massive wall he intends to build. Knobhead. ????????????????????????''

Go girl..

That she is repeating mis-quotes is hardly something to be proud of. But at least she is reading :chuckle:

Definitely inherited from her father... :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 03, 2016, 12:44:09 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 02, 2016, 11:47:10 AM

2. After Trump entered the race I was interested in him but his comments about John McCain were a very big turn-off. I still kept watching him and eventually about 5 months ago he became my favorite. However unlike pseudo-Republicans like Shakespear I maintained my pledge to vote for the nominee, regardless of who it might be.

I won't vote for a candidate selected by a moronic electorate that is going to get creamed in the general election. Period.

Trump is such a candidate.

We MUST keep out eye on the ball - beating Hillary Clinton in November.

Trump has received between 35-40% of the vote in the primaries. 35% of the population identify as Republicans. That means at best he gets 15% of the voters from that source.

73% of registered women voters say they will NEVER vote for Trump.
57% of Republican registered women voters say they will NEVER vote for Trump
The guy cannot win with negative numbers like that

Chris Matthews showed the nation how vulnerable Trump was when forced to discuss the actual issues. He completely botched a softball question that EVERY Republican candidate should have a rote and pat answer for.

Without Trump getting to 1237 (unlikely after Ohio) I'd say there is a 80% chance that either Cruz or Kasich gets the nomination. I'd predict a 20% chance that another person comes out with the nomination. Trump has 0% chance unless he gets 1237 on the first ballot.

I'd strongly suggest you re-read my post below concerning how delegates are selected by the state. The cards are already stacked against Trump because of his weak ground game in the individual states. His only hope is if he can somehow get 1237 on the first ballot; otherwise he'll be yesterdays news.

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.msg435685/topicseen/highlight,1988.html#msg435685

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 03, 2016, 01:11:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 03, 2016, 12:44:09 PM

His only hope is if he can somehow get 1237 on the first ballot; otherwise he'll be yesterdays news.

Cutting and pasting what you have written before isn't helping.

Trump has said the same things in 2016 that he said during his Oprah interview in 1989 and his other interviews given in 1990 etc.

Is the USA an "idea nation" or "proposition nation" only?

If so, why join the military if your kids will just be discarded by the elites? As the GOPe , via Paul Ryan and others, are doing and have done for the last 20 years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 03, 2016, 01:23:49 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 03, 2016, 01:11:50 PM

Cutting and pasting what you have written before isn't helping.

Repeating the truth is never a bad thing.

I'm hopeful it will sink in to some of the hard heads before it's too late.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 03, 2016, 02:25:15 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 03, 2016, 11:32:14 AM

treat Trump fairly in the nominating process and Trump unleashes a tidal wave of funding and support for the entire GOP team nationwide. Screw Trump and the GOP screws itself.

Oh he'll be treated fairly.

If he doesn't get 1237 on the first ballot, he'll be thanked for his effort. If he agrees to support the nominee (not him) he'll be allowed to address the convention. If not he'll be sent back to New York without a second thought and the process of getting the nominee elected will continue.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 03, 2016, 03:16:19 PM

Trump just said:

He can eliminate the $19 trillion of US debt in 8 years, and enact a major tax cut at the same time.

:ROFL:
{sigh}

The guy knows he's beat and he's making ridiculous claims in a desperate attempt to regenerate his failing campaign by preying on the the gullibility and desperation of his supporters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 03, 2016, 03:58:46 PM

Real Clear Politics has an interactive Republican Delegate Counter where you can predict how many delegates each candidate will receive as each state holds their primary.

I just went through an estimate of the delegate count, based on the rules of each state and the current polls available for those states an determined the following:

According to my calculations, Trumps ceiling as a best case scenario is 1175. He's going to be 62 delegates short.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/writeup/the_gop_race_for_delegates_an_interactive_tool.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 03, 2016, 05:04:55 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 03, 2016, 12:44:09 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 02, 2016, 11:47:10 AM
2. After Trump entered the race I was interested in him but his comments about John McCain were a very big turn-off. I still kept watching him and eventually about 5 months ago he became my favorite. However unlike pseudo-Republicans like Shakespear I maintained my pledge to vote for the nominee, regardless of who it might be.

I won't vote for a candidate selected by a moronic electorate that is going to get creamed in the general election. Period.

Trump is such a candidate.

We MUST keep out eye on the ball - beating Hillary Clinton in November.

Trump has received between 35-40% of the vote in the primaries. 35% of the population identify as Republicans. That means at best he gets 15% of the voters from that source.

73% of registered women voters say they will NEVER vote for Trump.
57% of Republican registered women voters say they will NEVER vote for Trump
The guy cannot win with negative numbers like that

Chris Matthews showed the nation how vulnerable Trump was when forced to discuss the actual issues. He completely botched a softball question that EVERY Republican candidate should have a rote and pat answer for.

Without Trump getting to 1237 (unlikely after Ohio) I'd say there is a 80% chance that either Cruz or Kasich gets the nomination. I'd predict a 20% chance that another person comes out with the nomination. Trump has 0% chance unless he gets 1237 on the first ballot.

I'd strongly suggest you re-read my post below concerning how delegates are selected by the state. The cards are already stacked against Trump because of his weak ground game in the individual states. His only hope is if he can somehow get 1237 on the first ballot; otherwise he'll be yesterdays news.

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.msg435685/topicseen/highlight,1988.html#msg435685

So says the Oracle of Ohio who guaranteed that Romney would win by a landslide over Obama in the General election 2012 according to Romneys own pollsters....

Trump brings massive Reagan Democrat, Dissatisfied Berners and Independent Crossover vote for the win. A vote for Trump is a vote to rebuild the USA - any Vote against Trump at this point is a vote for the Globalists who intend to destroy the USA and Latinize and Islamicize the western world.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 03, 2016, 05:11:16 PM

Google this:

Any candidate can legally offer to pay for a delegates travel meals and lodging expenses to the GOP convention in exchange for their support... its an expensive trip for a week... 100 delegates at $5K each is $500K. Short money for a campaign that wants to win...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 03, 2016, 05:37:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 03, 2016, 03:16:19 PM

Trump just said:

He can eliminate the $19 trillion of US debt in 8 years, and enact a major tax cut at the same time.

:ROFL:
{sigh}

The guy knows he's beat and he's making ridiculous claims in a desperate attempt to regenerate his failing campaign by preying on the the gullibility and desperation of his supporters.

Just slightly less desperate than spoiler Kasich claiming that he can win the nomination. It's not going to happen.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 03, 2016, 05:39:14 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 03, 2016, 05:11:16 PM

Google this:

Any candidate can legally offer to pay for a delegates travel meals and lodging expenses to the GOP convention in exchange for their support... its an expensive trip for a week... 100 delegates at $5K each is $500K. Short money for a campaign that wants to win...

Trump is a lot craftier and smarter than the douche bags running the Republican party right now. Trump will win the nomination, and then win the office of the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 03, 2016, 05:53:43 PM

This little historical nugget is for Shakespear and Tom. Back then a certain governor from Massachusetts was the favorite.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/26/us/dukakis-lead-widens-according-to-new-poll.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 03, 2016, 06:41:54 PM

We can agree that the other parts of the GOP are fighting Trump, at least; is that correct?

When did they ever fight this hard over the issues of: "abortion"? "ObamaCare"? "VA mistreating vets"? etc.

Now that we know what they look like when they are in a knock-down drag-out fight, we can clearly see ... they never truly fought for any of the things they claimed to.

Is that an accurate statement?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 03, 2016, 07:34:16 PM

The accusations against Donald Trump are eerily similar to the accusations which were made against Andrew Jackson back in 1828. Trump has been called a womanizer, etc. Jackson was called a bigamist and technically he was.

Trump has Scottish ancestry and so did Jackson. Back in 1824 a corrupt deal was made to steal the 1824 election from Andrew Jackson and hand it to Adams through a back-room deal which Adams made with Clay.

It remains to be seen if the corrupt politicians running the Republican machine will succeed in their many attempts to derail Trump. Just think if these losers had fought Obama as hard as they've fought Trump.

Andrew Jackson was a war hero and defeated the British in the war of 1812.

Quote:

"The battle was remarkable for both its brevity and lopsided lethality. In the space of twenty-five minutes, the British lost 700 killed, 1400 wounded and 500 prisoners, a total loss of twenty-six hundred men; American losses were only seven killed and six wounded.[44][45] Adjutant-general Robert Butler, in his official report to General Jackson a few days after the battle of the 8th, placed the losses of the British at 700 killed, 1400 wounded, and 500 prisoners – the total of 2600 casualties was almost one third the entire number the enemy admitted to have taken part in the contest of the day. After the battle was over, around 500 British soldiers who had pretended to be dead rose up and surrendered to the Americans. One bugle boy climbed a tree within 200 yards of the American line and played throughout the battle, with shooting whizzing around him. He was captured after the battle and considered a hero by the Americans".

end of quotation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_New_Orleans

https://www.whitehouse.gov/1600/first-ladies/racheljackson

http://thehermitage.com/learn/andrew-jackson/general/war-hero/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 03, 2016, 09:30:23 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 03, 2016, 05:04:55 PM

Trump brings massive Reagan Democrat, Dissatisfied Berners and Independent Crossover vote for the win. A vote for Trump is a vote to rebuild the USA - any Vote against Trump at this point is a vote for the Globalists who intend to destroy the USA and Latinize and Islamicize the western world.

And feminize what is left of the weakened America male. The Republicans that Shakespear supports do not mind America being Latinize, Islamicize and feminize long as they keep their special interest groups (Chamber of Commerce) and individuals (Koch brothers) happy and get their rewards from the military stocks they own. They will ride this as long as they can until the entire world and the nation they supposedly care about goes broke.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 03, 2016, 09:44:20 PM

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/april-cruzs-last-hurrah/

Based on Current Situation=> Ted Cruz Will Be Knocked Out of Race By April 26th

Jim Hoft Apr 2nd, 2016 11:20 pm 1170 Comments

Guest Post by Joe Hoft

Based on current delegate counts and poll numbers Ted Cruz will be mathematically unable to reach the delegate count required for him to win the Republican Presidential nomination.

By the end April it will be clear that Ted Cruz has no chance of reaching the 1,237 delegates needed to win the nomination.

Actually in only 3 weeks, on April 26th, it will be clear that Ted Cruz cannot win.

Rep Del Count 4-3
(chart from Google)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Rep-Del-Count-4-3_zpsecnvuwpb.png)

Currently Cruz has only 463 delegates. Even if Cruz wins Wisconsin, which is a state whose delegates are winner take most (WTM), he still will not have enough delegates to win the election by April 26th.

This is in part because New York is leaning heavily towards Trump who leads according to polls listed at Real Clear Politics by as much as 36%. New York has a Republican primary where the delegates are split proportionally. So even if Cruz wins a third of the delegates, it won’t be enough. This is because come April 26th, there are five Republican Presidential primaries and three of these are winner take all (WTA). All three of these states are in the East where polls show Trump leading (Maryland and Pennsylvania) or there is no polling available with the state highly likely leaning towards Trump (Delaware).

Even if Cruz wins a third of the delegates in Rhode Island or Connecticut or any of these states, it will not be enough to keep him mathematically in the race.

Rep Del Count April 16 Project
(Chart by Joe Hoft)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Rep-Del-Count-April-16-Project_zpsdf5qkrm4.png)

Based on current numbers, come April 26th, Cruz will need 687 delegates to win the election but only 634 will be available.

Then Cruz’s only chance at the end of April to win the election is the highly unlikely scenario where Trump doesn’t gain enough delegates to win the nomination outright and that the Republican elites in a contested convention support Cruz.

Even if there were a contested convention, it is unlikely that the elites would offer the Presidency to Cruz over some other establishment candidate. The only other scenario is that Cruz hangs on and takes the candidate delegates from Kasich and Rubio for example, and hopes this is enough to overtake Trump. This, too, is a far out strategy.

If Cruz hangs on and doesn’t concede to Trump at the end of April, like Kasich is currently doing, Cruz comes across as unrealistic, out of touch and a sore loser.

Overall based on the numbers, because it is highly unlikely East Coast Republicans will vote for a Canadian- born Texan for President over a New York billionaire, April will be Cruz’s last hurrah. But on the bright side Ted, you will always be welcomed back home in Canada.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 03, 2016, 10:07:55 PM

Good post Maxx. Both Cruz and Kasich should get out of the race for the good of the party and unify behind Donald Trump. But sadly the current bunch who call themselves "establishment" would rather hand the election to Hillary instead of unifying behind Trump, who has brought millions of new voters to the party. No worries, Trump will still get it done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 04, 2016, 07:25:40 AM

I actually watched Trump for the full hour at his Wisconsin Town Hall meeting hosted by Gretta last night before the Walking Dead.

I tried to listen with an open mind.

It was very hard to watch. Each and every answer he stroked his own ego at least once. Only one of his answers had any real substance and policy definition. The rest was just his bullshit bravado, assuring everyone how wonderful all things will be if people would just vote for him as President.

He is a horrible public speaker. He is not blessed with the skills that allow him to articulate an idea clearly and understandably. He seems unable to focus on one topic when answering a question. He bounces around from idea to idea, most of the time after the first sentence of an answer not addressing the subject matter that was originally inquired about. It's almost like he doesn't really care about the details of an issue.

Hillary Clinton will kill him in a one-on-one debate in regards to debating the actual issues.

In summary, I don't think Trump is a bad guy. He's just not Presidential. He may have been successful as a businessman, but he doesn't have the skills and polish needed to be an effective President.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on April 04, 2016, 07:38:35 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 03, 2016, 11:34:35 AM

That she is repeating mis-quotes is hardly something to be proud of. But at least she is reading :chuckle:

I 'see' - so Trump has never mentioned building such a wall... :coffeeread:

Quote from: Anteros on April 03, 2016, 11:47:13 AM

Repeating mis-quotes and presenting half-truths as gospel is a specialty of the left.

Anteros, I'll hazard a guess that your 'left' would be Attila the Hun.. :chuckle:

Quote from: Anteros on April 03, 2016, 11:47:13 AM

Soon enough Moby and company will be begging the USA and President Trump to save the remnants of their kingdom from being Rotherdamned from one end to the other.

Can there be a more clueless contributor ?

Quote from: Gipsy on April 03, 2016, 11:49:42 AM

Definitely inherited from her father... :ROFL:

Oooh I'd like to think so.. :coffeeread: The ability to see through pompous politicians seems to be reserved for those who can't vote, yet .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 04, 2016, 08:15:31 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 03, 2016, 05:11:16 PM

Google this:

Any candidate can legally offer to pay for a delegates travel meals and lodging expenses to the GOP convention in exchange for their support... its an expensive trip for a week... 100 delegates at $5K each is $500K. Short money for a campaign that wants to win...

If you took the time to read my prior post on this topic upthread, you'd know that the local Republican party is already paying the delegates expenses for the trip. Trump missed his chance to get "his people" selected as the actual delegates. The people that have been picked are local people loyal to their local County Party Chairmen. They will do what they are told to do after the first ballot. Bye bye Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 04, 2016, 08:46:35 AM

Quote from: msmoby on April 04, 2016, 07:38:35 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 03, 2016, 11:34:35 AM

That she is repeating mis-quotes is hardly something to be proud of. But at least she is reading :chuckle:

I 'see' - so Trump has never mentioned building such a wall... :coffeeread:

Nearly every point mentioned is inaccurate. He never said "all Mexicans are rapists". Never said that legal abortions should result in a woman's punishment: he was asked if hypothetically abortion were made illegal, what then? etc.

Right now we have video of guys casually climbing over the current wall, at the international border, with backpacks of drugs, then running into the city after crossing a 2 lane highway.

See http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2016/03/video-15-seconds-from-mx-to-us-no-wall.html

So yes, a better wall could well be a good idea. Even one as good as the one that Mexico has on its southern border would be an improvement.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 08:59:15 AM

Combat Marine veteran Duncan Hunter endorses Trump. What about you, Shakespear?

http://www.cbs8.com/story/31307995/local-congressman-duncan-hunter-endorses-donald-trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on April 04, 2016, 09:54:36 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 04, 2016, 08:46:35 AM

Quote from: msmoby on April 04, 2016, 07:38:35 AM
Quote from: Slumba on April 03, 2016, 11:34:35 AM

That she is repeating mis-quotes is hardly something to be proud of. But at least she is reading :chuckle:

I 'see' - so Trump has never mentioned building such a wall... :coffeeread:

Nearly every point mentioned is inaccurate. He never said "all Mexicans are rapists". Never said that legal abortions should result in a woman's punishment: he was asked if hypothetically abortion were made illegal, what then? etc.

Right now we have video of guys casually climbing over the current wall, at the international border, with backpacks of drugs, then running into the city after crossing a 2 lane highway.

See http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2016/03/video-15-seconds-from-mx-to-us-no-wall.html

So yes, a better wall could well be a good idea. Even one as good as the one that Mexico has on its southern border would be an improvement.

Thanks...butvI have seen walls in Nicosia, Israel and in East Germany....as thoroughly sick concept

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 04, 2016, 12:29:37 PM

Super Important Article in Bloomberg - How Hackers Manipulate Campaigns and Elections

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/andres-sepulveda-comes-clean-colombian-jail-how-you-hack-presidential-election/ri13729

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on April 04, 2016, 12:43:58 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 04, 2016, 08:46:35 AM

Never said that legal abortions should result in a woman's punishment: he was asked if hypothetically abortion were made illegal, what then? etc.

If abortions were illegal the woman should be punished as well as others that were/are apart of the abortion. Why are so many upset at Trump for saying that?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on April 04, 2016, 12:52:01 PM

Quote from: msmoby on April 04, 2016, 07:38:35 AM

Can there be a more clueless contributor ?

It's not good form to try and up ones own nonvirtues.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 04, 2016, 01:08:37 PM

Trump is still sinking but Cruz has been steady at 12/1.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 04, 2016, 01:17:37 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 04, 2016, 08:46:35 AM

Nearly every point mentioned is inaccurate. He never said "all Mexicans are rapists". Never said that legal abortions should result in a woman's punishment: he was asked if hypothetically abortion were made illegal, what then? etc.

True points all,

however

1) any experienced politician knows you NEVER answer a hypothetical question during an interview

2) if you are going to be a credible Republican candidate for President, you should EASILY be able to nail a softball question about abortion. HE TOTALLY BLEW IT!

The man is just not Presidential material.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 01:41:55 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 03, 2016, 05:53:43 PM

This little historical nugget is for Shakespear and Tom. Back then a certain governor from Massachusetts was the favorite.

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/26/us/dukakis-lead-widens-according-to-new-poll.html

Back then Dukakis was the clear favorite and was expected to easily beat George Bush Sr.

IMO Dukakis was a stronger candidate than Hillary Clinton ever will be. Notice Dukakis was leading in the polls just after the Democratic convention.

The Lee Atwater did a number on Dukakis. (Du Ka ka :laugh:). You can be damn sure Trump is going to do a number on Hillary Clinton.

Of course Shakespear and Tom are blathering on about Wisconsin, as if that's all she wrote. Ted Cruz might win WI but then that's it for Cruz boy, he's finished just like Kasich. Two spoilers who can't win it all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 01:46:02 PM

Quote from: msmoby on April 04, 2016, 09:54:36 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 04, 2016, 08:46:35 AM
Quote from: msmoby on April 04, 2016, 07:38:35 AM
Quote from: Slumba on April 03, 2016, 11:34:35 AM

That she is repeating mis-quotes is hardly something to be proud of. But at least she is reading :chuckle:

I 'see' - so Trump has never mentioned building such a wall... :coffeeread:

Nearly every point mentioned is inaccurate. He never said "all Mexicans are rapists". Never said that legal abortions should result in a woman's punishment: he was asked if hypothetically abortion were made illegal, what then? etc.

Right now we have video of guys casually climbing over the current wall, at the international border, with backpacks of drugs, then running into the city after crossing a 2 lane highway.

See http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2016/03/video-15-seconds-from-mx-to-us-no-wall.html

So yes, a better wall could well be a good idea. Even one as good as the one that Mexico has on its southern border would be an improvement.
Thanks...butvI have seen walls in Nicosia, Israel and in East Germany....as thoroughly sick concept

The wall in Israel works to keep out wack jobs. We want our wall in the USA to keep out leaches and parasites from Mexico who steal our benefits and sell drugs on top of it.

You've got a natural wall there in the UK but apparently left wing nut jobs like you still want to let in more parasites. :dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 04, 2016, 02:49:01 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 01:41:55 PM

Back then Dukakis was the clear favorite and was expected to easily beat George Bush Sr.

Different time, place and situation.

Bush Sr never had a 73% negative rating with registered women voters.

Bush Sr never had a 59% negative rating with registered Republican women voters.

That damage has already been done and will not reverse itself.

You think that's gonna change? Obviously you've never been married and tried to change the opinion (once established) of a wife. ;D

Trump is unelectable; even when running against the most unelectable Democrat in history. You better realize it and embrace that fact while there's still time to get a replacement that can actually beat Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 04, 2016, 02:54:27 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 01:41:55 PM

Of course Shakespear and Tom are blathering on about Wisconsin...

I didn't post anything about the Wisconsin primary but, since you mention it:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 04, 2016, 03:04:46 PM

Of course, the bloated blowhard (bloathard?) thinks that he is going to win:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/donald-trump-wisconsin-win-primary-221533

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 05:30:17 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 04, 2016, 03:04:46 PM

Of course, the bloated blowhard (bloathard?) thinks that he is going to win:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/donald-trump-wisconsin-win-primary-221533

Heaven forbid if he has a positive attitude. Perhaps it's a mystery to you, however most candidates do that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 05:34:56 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 04, 2016, 02:49:01 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 01:41:55 PM

Back then Dukakis was the clear favorite and was expected to easily beat George Bush Sr.

Different time, place and situation.

Bush Sr never had a 73% negative rating with registered women voters.

Bush Sr never had a 59% negative rating with registered Republican women voters.

That damage has already been done and will not reverse itself.

You think that's gonna change? Obviously you've never been married and tried to change the opinion (once established) of a wife. ;D

Of course it's a different time, place and situation. Other than that I disagree with your excuses not to pick Trump.

In regards to never being married I often got criticized for not jumping into that right away when I first came to this forum. Hopefully at least you are more circumspect about my hesitancy to do that (I could have easily put a ring on the 1st gal I met, but thankfully I saw the writing on the wall about her).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 06:00:24 PM

Tom, ARG now has Trump winning Wisconsin. That would really bite for you, wouldn't it? :ROFL:

http://www.examiner.com/article/arg-poll-places-trump-well-ahead-of-cruz-wisconsin

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 04, 2016, 07:17:23 PM

I fail to see the logic of Ted Cruz being the best choice for the GOP.
No one gave Trump any chance of being the nominee in the beginning, what did he do, he smoked the competition.
The same will hold true in the general election. Clinton or Sanders won't be able to compete one on one against Trump.

In the general election Trump just needs to focus on a platform suited to his strengths and deflect questions the same way Clinton does.
If the Republicans are smart enough to get behind Trump he will add the white house to his list of places he calls home.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 04, 2016, 07:43:21 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 06:00:24 PM

Tom, ARG now has Trump winning Wisconsin. That would really bite for you, wouldn't it?

No, I don't care and Clinton would prefer to face the clown.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 08:02:01 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 04, 2016, 07:43:21 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 06:00:24 PM
Tom, ARG now has Trump winning Wisconsin. That would really bite for you, wouldn't it?
No, I don't care and Clinton would prefer to face the clown.

Yeah right. That's what she claims in public. In private she is trembling and she knows she's going to lose in a
LANDSLIDE! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 04, 2016, 09:46:46 PM

Maybe Trump and Cruz should enter the square circle to decide the republican candidacy. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 04, 2016, 09:59:46 PM

No humbug: Striking similarities between Trump and P.T. Barnum

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2016/04/03/no-humbug-striking-similarities-between-trump-and-p-t-barnum/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on April 04, 2016, 10:11:24 PM

More smoke about Ted Cruz and possibly Ashley Madison.

http://www.rollcall.com/heard-on-the-hill/team-cruz-capitol-police-pop-up-in-ashley-madison-data-dump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 04, 2016, 10:38:37 PM

This ought to make the Globalist Collectivists and of course Shake's brains explode:

Today's Monday polls showing large Trump lead in Patriotic Wisconsin - go figure:

Wisconsin Republican Presidential Primary ARG Cruz 32, Trump 42, Kasich 23 Trump +10
2016 Republican Presidential Nomination IBD/TIPP Trump 38, Cruz 31, Kasich 19Trump +7

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/gop_pres_primary/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 04, 2016, 10:40:33 PM

Wisdom from Ted Nugent;

At this time I do not endorse Donald Trump anymore than I endorse Ted Cruz as I admire both gentlemen. But these points are SO damn special!
Obama is against Trump
The Media is against Trump
The establishment Democrats are against Trump
The establishment Republicans are against Trump
The Pope is against Trump
The UN is against Trump
The EU is against Trump
China is against Trump
Mexico is against Trump
Soros is against Trump
Black Lives Matter is against Trump
MoveOn.Org is against Trump
Koch Bro's are against Trump
Hateful, racist, violent Liberals are against Trump
Bonus points
Cher says she will leave the country
Mylie Cyrus says she will leave the country
Whoopi says she will leave the country
Rosie says she will leave the country
Al Sharpton says he will leave the country
Shakes will leave the Country and move to Moscow full time
Gov. Brown says California will build a wall

Sounds like the kinda president the US needs!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 04, 2016, 11:18:12 PM

The Trump Effect:

Make America Great Again

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 05, 2016, 03:24:28 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 04, 2016, 10:40:33 PM

Wisdom from Ted Nugent;

At this time I do not endorse Donald Trump anymore than I endorse Ted Cruz as I admire both gentlemen. But these points are SO damn special!
Obama is against Trump
The Media is against Trump
The establishment Democrats are against Trump
The establishment Republicans are against Trump
The Pope is against Trump
The UN is against Trump
The EU is against Trump
China is against Trump
Mexico is against Trump
Soros is against Trump
Black Lives Matter is against Trump
MoveOn.Org is against Trump
Koch Bro's are against Trump
Hateful, racist, violent Liberals are against Trump
Bonus points
Cher says she will leave the country
Mylie Cyrus says she will leave the country
Whoopi says she will leave the country
Rosie says she will leave the country
Al Sharpton says he will leave the country
Shakes will leave the Country and move to Moscow full time
Gov. Brown says California will build a wall

Sounds like the kinda president the US needs!

Is that our Shakes you're talking about? I'd say "Great!" but that would make him closer to me! ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 05, 2016, 03:28:51 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 04, 2016, 10:38:37 PM

This ought to make the Globalist Collectivists and of course Shake's brains explode:

Today's Monday polls showing large Trump lead in Patriotic Wisconsin - go figure:

Wisconsin Republican Presidential Primary ARG Cruz 32, Trump 42, Kasich 23 Trump +10
2016 Republican Presidential Nomination IBD/TIPP Trump 38, Cruz 31, Kasich 19Trump +7

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/gop_pres_primary/

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-05%20at%201.26.02%20PM_zpsohlwmgas.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 05, 2016, 03:37:46 AM

Maxx, you'll be safe, you're an exceptional person . :hidechair:

By the way, take a look at a map. I'd not be buying real estate in Georgia right now (or making other long term plans there for that matter.)

It looks as though Russia is doing more expanding toward NATO in the region. (and by Russia I mean NATO)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 05, 2016, 04:55:29 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 05, 2016, 03:37:46 AM

Maxx, you'll be safe, you're an exceptional person . :hidechair:

By the way, take a look at a map. I'd not be buying real estate in Georgia right now (or making other long term plans there for that matter.)

It looks as though Russia is doing more expanding toward NATO in the region. (and by Russia I mean NATO)

I mentioned the same to my aid yesterday and to a doctor last week. With what is happening to Azerbaijan and Armenia right now, Muslim Turkey with ISIS and their oil, Georgians' history of being under Russian occupation (for centuries), Russia having a huge military presence in Armenia with their military base there and the ultimate war hawk Hillary possibly going to the White House is today's Georgia the equivalent of the Sudetenland of 1938?

Then there is the Georgian mentality of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" (too bad establishment Republicans don't feel that way about Trump with his enemies of the Left ).

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/DSCF1351_zps1ty9geam.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on April 05, 2016, 06:51:01 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 05, 2016, 03:37:46 AM

It looks as though Russia is doing more expanding toward NATO in the region.

You got that correct ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 05, 2016, 07:06:10 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 04, 2016, 10:40:33 PM

Shakes will leave the Country and move to Moscow full time

I never said anything of the sort.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on April 05, 2016, 07:06:25 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 04, 2016, 08:46:35 AM

Nearly every point mentioned is inaccurate. He never said "all Mexicans are rapists". Never said that legal abortions should result in a woman's punishment: he was asked if hypothetically abortion were made illegal, what then? etc.

Thank you, Slumba [ and no.2 daughter ] for bringing the veracity of Trump's quotes to my attention ..now I'm really scared...

I'm guessing she read 'em here..

http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/550112/donald-trump-quotes.html (http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/550112/donald-trump-quotes.html)

So he DID say, ''When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bring crime. They’re rapists… And some, I assume, are good people.” ..

I'll happily concede he didn't say 'all Mexicans' ... 'some, he assumes are good people... implying - the minority..

Jeez, no wonder this guy has poor support from women voters

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 05, 2016, 07:19:56 AM

Quote from: msmoby on April 05, 2016, 06:51:01 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 05, 2016, 03:37:46 AM

It looks as though Russia is doing more expanding toward NATO in the region. (and by Russia I mean NATO)

You got that correct ...

You missed a bit of the sentence off your post, must be your fingers are a little thick today. ;D

Not to worry, have corrected your fail for you.....again.. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on April 05, 2016, 08:08:46 AM

Found this article by Amanda Taub an interesting read.

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 05, 2016, 08:44:57 AM

Quote from: msmoby on April 05, 2016, 07:06:25 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 04, 2016, 08:46:35 AM

Nearly every point mentioned is inaccurate. He never said "all Mexicans are rapists". Never said that legal abortions should result in a woman's punishment: he was asked if hypothetically abortion were made illegal, what then? etc.

Thank you, Slumba [ and no.2 daughter ] for bringing the veracity of Trump's quotes to my attention ..now I'm really scared...

I'm guessing she read 'em here..

http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/550112/donald-trump-quotes.html (http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/550112/donald-trump-quotes.html)

So he DID say, ''When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bring crime. They’re rapists… And some, I assume, are good people.” ..

I'll happily concede he didn't say 'all Mexicans' ... 'some, he assumes are good people... implying - the minority..

Jeez, no wonder this guy has poor support from women voters

It would be even worse if he had said anything inaccurate.

After the EU falls to pieces over the summer and a beautiful German church or two are destroyed due to the invaders, Trump will look like a prophet IMHO.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 05, 2016, 08:52:08 AM

Quote from: msmoby on April 05, 2016, 07:06:25 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 04, 2016, 08:46:35 AM

Nearly every point mentioned is inaccurate. He never said "all Mexicans are rapists". Never said that legal abortions should result in a woman's punishment: he was asked if hypothetically abortion were made illegal, what then? etc.

Thank you, Slumba [ and no.2 daughter ] for bringing the veracity of Trump's quotes to my attention ..now I'm really scared...

I'm guessing she read 'em here..

http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/550112/donald-trump-quotes.html (http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/550112/donald-trump-quotes.html)

So he DID say, ''When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bring crime. They’re rapists… And some, I assume, are good people.” ..

I'll happily concede he didn't say 'all Mexicans' ... 'some, he assumes are good people... implying - the minority..

Jeez, no wonder this guy has poor support from women voters

As usual you just don't get it. Mexico doesn't want to pay to feed and house murderer's and other major criminals, so they do indeed release them to go to the USA.

Cuba did something similar to us a few decades ago. I encourage you to look it up. Who knows, maybe even you could learn something.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 05, 2016, 09:03:29 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on April 05, 2016, 08:08:46 AM

Found this article by Amanda Taub an interesting read.

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism

Interesting how someone from an authoritarian system is quick to label those that oppose it as authoritarians themselves.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 05, 2016, 09:08:05 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 05, 2016, 08:52:08 AM

Quote from: msmoby on April 05, 2016, 07:06:25 AM
Quote from: Slumba on April 04, 2016, 08:46:35 AM

Nearly every point mentioned is inaccurate. He never said "all Mexicans are rapists". Never said that legal abortions should result in a woman's punishment: he was asked if hypothetically abortion were made illegal, what then? etc.

Thank you, Slumba [ and no.2 daughter ] for bringing the veracity of Trump's quotes to my attention ..now I'm really scared...

I'm guessing she read 'em here..

http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/550112/donald-trump-quotes.html (http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/550112/donald-trump-quotes.html)

So he DID say, ''When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bring crime. They’re rapists… And some, I assume, are good people.” ..

I'll happily concede he didn't say 'all Mexicans' ... 'some, he assumes are good people... implying - the minority..

Jeez, no wonder this guy has poor support from women voters

As usual you just don't get it. Mexico doesn't want to pay to feed and house murderer's and other major criminals, so they do indeed release them to go to the USA.

Cuba did something similar to us a few decades ago. I encourage you to look it up. Who knows, maybe even you could learn something.

I had friend whose wife Robyn, was raped in the woman's room by a Cuban criminal released by Castro. I remember him on the phone with me bawling his eyes out over it. I guess the members here that oppose immigration controls will only change their minds when something like this happens to one of their loved ones.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 05, 2016, 09:11:31 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 05, 2016, 08:44:57 AM

Quote from: msmoby on April 05, 2016, 07:06:25 AM
Quote from: Slumba on April 04, 2016, 08:46:35 AM

Nearly every point mentioned is inaccurate. He never said "all Mexicans are rapists". Never said that legal abortions should result in a woman's punishment: he was asked if hypothetically abortion were made illegal, what then? etc.

Thank you, Slumba [ and no.2 daughter ] for bringing the veracity of Trump's quotes to my attention ..now I'm really scared...

I'm guessing she read 'em here..

http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/550112/donald-trump-quotes.html (http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/550112/donald-trump-quotes.html)

So he DID say, ''When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bring crime. They’re rapists… And some, I assume, are good people.” ..

I'll happily concede he didn't say 'all Mexicans' ... 'some, he assumes are good people... implying - the minority..

Jeez, no wonder this guy has poor support from women voters

It would be even worse if he had said anything inaccurate.

After the EU falls to pieces over the summer and a beautiful German church or two are destroyed due to the invaders, Trump will look like a prophet IMHO.

The summer heat will bring out their inner animal and the season of terror will begin.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on April 05, 2016, 09:18:15 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 05, 2016, 08:52:08 AM

As usual you just don't get it. Mexico doesn't want to pay to feed and house murderer's and other major criminals, so they do indeed release them to go to the USA.

Cuba did something similar to us a few decades ago. I encourage you to look it up. Who knows, maybe even you could learn something.

'RIGHT', so the 'bad uns' are given dollars on release and driven across the border .. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 05, 2016, 10:35:24 AM

Quote from: msmoby on April 05, 2016, 09:18:15 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 05, 2016, 08:52:08 AM

As usual you just don't get it. Mexico doesn't want to pay to feed and house murderer's and other major criminals, so they do indeed release them to go to the USA.

Cuba did something similar to us a few decades ago. I encourage you to look it up. Who knows, maybe even you could learn something.

'RIGHT', so the 'bad uns' are given dollars on release and driven across the border ..

Moron. They don't need to be given dollars, they are part of the criminal cartel known as Coyote's, or they have inside information of Coyote's. Bribing a guard to get out of prison is common. Or just don't send them to prison due to a technicality. They will find their way over here.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 05, 2016, 10:58:59 AM

More nonsense from a desperate Trump . . . . .

We'll Trump has finally announced how he intends to get the Mexican government to pay for 'the wall". It was released in a Washington Post article today.

Mexicans living in the United States commonly use wire transfers to send money back home to their families in Mexico. It is estimated the amount of wire transfers between the US and Mexico in a year is $25 billion.

His "idea" is to prohibit that legal commerce until the Mexican government pays a $10 billion bribe in order to pay for the wall.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/05/politics/donald-trump-mexico-wall-pay/index.html

(:)

The racists and isolationists who are Trump's most vocal supporters are bound to love that idea.

More direct evidence that this guy would be a disaster as the Republican candidate for President.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 05, 2016, 11:19:54 AM

Good for Obama

He destroys Trump's ridiculous idea with common sense arguments any credible politician would have considered before making such a moronic proposal . . . . . . . . . . .

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/good-luck-with-that-watch-obama-destroy-trumps-plan-to-end-remittances-to-mexico/

When will the misguided people who are supporting Trump realize what an idiot they're supporting for the most powerful position in the world? The guy is TOTALLY "out of his league".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 05, 2016, 11:30:03 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 05, 2016, 10:58:59 AM

More nonsense from a desperate Trump . . . . .

We'll Trump has finally announced how he intends to get the Mexican government to pay for 'the wall". It was released in a Washington Post article today.

Mexicans living in the United States commonly use wire transfers to send money back home to their families in Mexico. It is estimated the amount of wire transfers between the US and Mexico in a year is $25 billion.

His "idea" is to prohibit that legal commerce until the Mexican government pays a $10 billion bribe in order to pay for the wall.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/05/politics/donald-trump-mexico-wall-pay/index.html

(:)

The racists and isolationists who are Trump's most vocal supporters are bound to love that idea.

More direct evidence that this guy would be a disaster as the Republican candidate for President.

The Democrats and Republicans are really in the same party. They both agree on open borders and legal and illegal immigration and most everything else. I really do not see the difference between them. After Obamacare was rammed down our throats the people rose up in 2010 and turned the leadership of the House over to the Republicans. But the Republicans excuse to do nothing was that the Senate was still Democrat. So the people rose up again and threw those Democratic rascals out of office and installed Republicans to lead the Senate and bye bye majority whip Eric Cantor in the primaries. So what did a new Republican congress then do? They threw their support behind Obama and passed his budget that funded Obamacare and immigration. All we are seeing now with Trump supporters is their frustration with this leftist government ignoring their wishes and their vote. So along comes the GOP to shaft them once again. Honestly Shakespear I can't see how you can support any these people.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 05, 2016, 11:31:18 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 05, 2016, 11:19:54 AM

Good for Obama

He destroys Trump's ridiculous idea with common sense arguments any credible politician would have considered before making such a moronic proposal . . . . . . . . . . .

Yeap, really just brothers working together.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 05, 2016, 12:05:49 PM

How many people are on green cards that have to be renewed when they expire? 10 million/year?

Add a $10 increase in fees on each green card = $100 million/year. No new legislation needs to be passed. $100 million per year over 20 years = $2 Billion. There is 20% of the wall right there.

2.5 million visa entrants from South America each year; $20 fee added, no new legislation = $50 million per year over 20 years = $1 Billion.

1 million new green cards each year. $10 fee added, no new legislation - $10 million per year, 20 years = $200 million .

We are at 32% of the Wall cost and I didn't even have to break a sweat.

Get real, shakespear et al.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 05, 2016, 12:21:25 PM

Quote from: msmoby on April 05, 2016, 09:18:15 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 05, 2016, 08:52:08 AM

As usual you just don't get it. Mexico doesn't want to pay to feed and house murderer's and other major criminals, so they do indeed release them to go to the USA.

Cuba did something similar to us a few decades ago. I encourage you to look it up. Who knows, maybe even you could learn something.

'RIGHT', so the 'bad uns' are given dollars on release and driven across the border .. :ROFL:

They often work for the drug cartels to smuggle drugs across the border. e.g. as seen here: http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2016/03/video-15-seconds-from-mx-to-us-no-wall.html

Your ignorance on this subject is showing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 05, 2016, 12:22:28 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 05, 2016, 12:05:49 PM

How many people are on green cards that have to be renewed when they expire? 10 million/year?

Add a $10 increase in fees on each green card = $100 million/year. No new legislation needs to be passed. $100 million per year over 20 years = $2 Billion. There is 20% of the wall right there.

2.5 million visa entrants from South America each year; $20 fee added, no new legislation = $50 million per year over 20 years = $1 Billion.

1 million new green cards each year. $10 fee added, no new legislation - $10 million per year, 20 years = $200 million .

We are at 32% of the Wall cost and I didn't even have to break a sweat.

Get real, shakespear et al.

The Wall would be much cheaper to build if Mexican labour is employed to build it... :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 05, 2016, 12:32:34 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 05, 2016, 12:05:49 PM

How many people are on green cards that have to be renewed when they expire? 10 million/year?

Add a $10 increase in fees on each green card = $100 million/year. No new legislation needs to be passed. $100 million per year over 20 years = $2 Billion. There is 20% of the wall right there.

Your numbers are a too high. Green cards are good for 10 years. Approximately 10 million green cards issued each decade. The fee for a green card renewal is already $450. And of course Congress would have to pass the fee increase.

Quote from: Slumba on April 05, 2016, 12:05:49 PM

2.5 million visa entrants from South America each year; $20 fee added, no new legislation = $50 million per year over 20 years = $1 Billion.

Brazil already charges $131 for US citizens to get a visa. Argentina charges $160. Venezuela charges $65. Those are the sources of the three main South American countries coming to the USA. These countries would reciprocate and increase fees if the US government increased the fees for their citizens to get US visas. Further, since twice as many Americans travel to South America as South Americans travel to the US, such fee increases would double the negative net impact impact. So any increase in visa fees is a net tax on our own citizens and in the end, we'd be paying to build the wall ourselves. Again of course, Congress would have to pass any visa fee increase.

The statement that Mexico would pay for the wall is ludicrous.
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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 05, 2016, 12:33:21 PM

Obama,
“The notion that we’re going to track every Western Union bit of money that’s being sent to Mexico, you know, good luck with that. Then we’ve got the implications for the Mexican economy, which in turn, if it’s collapsing actually sends more immigrants north because they can’t find jobs back in Mexico.”

Interesting how Obama destroys Trumps proposal. Not to mention that Trump is the only one actually trying to do something about all this but where is this suggestion actually destroyed? By saying good luck with that? By saying that a collapsing economy will drive more illegals here?

Guess we should just give up.

First off, this is just one part of the Donald's proposals. The wall, increased security of the border, a stop on catch and release and actually deporting illegals. These are just a few of his proposals. Go ahead and allow more to cross the border. As soon as they learn that the old system is gone and sending money home is not an easy option perhaps they will decide illegal immigration is not an option.

Now as for the western union thing being impractical. Obama makes it sound as if the government will need to track millions of little transfers. The reality is that the law is already there and only needs amending to include WU and transfers. Making WU check for legal identification is not impractical. Before reading bits and pieces from a media that will twist anything they possibly can it might be a good idea to read Trumps entire papers on these subjects.

If nothing else it can rightly be said that the Donald has sparked a huge discussion and raised possibilities that nobody has even cared to do in the past. All you hear is the tearing down of ideas with no real discussion. If anyone is really concerned with solving this problem then join in and make some more suggestions or properly debate the ones given.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/pay-for-the-wall

Trump is not a politician we are sure of that. It does no good to argue the matter. A politician is not what his supporters want. They want a real person who is trying to really do something. They want an open discussion which may change along the way but in the end will actually do something. They already know what they will get if they go with the establishment politicians.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 05, 2016, 01:37:37 PM

Quote from: bagalia on April 05, 2016, 12:33:21 PM

Go ahead and allow more to cross the border. As soon as they learn that the old system is gone and sending money home is not an easy option perhaps they will decide illegal immigration is not an option.

Now as for the western union thing being impractical. Obama makes it sound as if the government will need to track millions of little transfers. The reality is that the law is already there and only needs amending to include WU and transfers. Making WU check for legal identification is not impractical.

I'm not saying this idea doesn't have merit.

I'm saying insisting that the Mexican government pay a "bribe" of $10 billion to build the wall or have the policy implemented is moronic. Anybody who would even suggest such a thing shouldn't be President of the United States.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 05, 2016, 01:59:58 PM

The reality is that the IRS already has lots of restrictions in place for international money transfers and payments to individuals.

It would be trivial to begin to apply them to remittances.

After all, if I pay a person for work for over $600 in 1 year in the USA, I am supposed to give them a 1099-MISC, right? And if it is believed that they owe the IRS or that they are not a US citizen, then withholding can be applied immediately.

There is a default withholding of I think, 30% though this can vary based on the tax treaty between the USA and the foreign country.

I don't really care to dig into it because it is a rabbit hole of interpretations and exemptions, but you can get an overview starting here:

https://www.irs.gov/Businesses/U.S.-Tax-Withholding-on-Payments-to-Foreign-Persons , and

https://www.irs.gov/Individuals/International-Taxpayers/NRA-Withholding

PS the IRS is more feared in the USA than the FBI.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 05, 2016, 02:04:00 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 05, 2016, 01:37:37 PM

Quote from: bagalia on April 05, 2016, 12:33:21 PM
Go ahead and allow more to cross the border. As soon as they learn that the old system is gone and sending money home is not an easy option perhaps they will decide illegal immigration is not an option.

Now as for the western union thing being impractical. Obama makes it sound as if the government will need to track millions of little transfers. The reality is that the law is already there and only needs amending to include WU and transfers. Making WU check for legal identification is not impractical.

I'm not saying this idea doesn't have merit.

I'm saying insisting that the Mexican government pay a "bribe" of $10 billion to build the wall or have the policy implemented is moronic. Anybody who would even suggest such a thing shouldn't be President of the United States.

I suppose that is establishing a discussion in a way so in that sense I guess that a lot of people believe it is not moronic and that someone who would suggest it should be president.

People see Mexico as at least half responsible for this problem and Mexico only wishes to make it worse. It would be right to make them contribute to the solution. There are many ways it could be done and this is one. It may not be nice but then they are not playing nice either.

Looking back at the last 8 years there are many things that have been done by both Obama, Putin and many other countries that could possibly be termed just as bad or worse. I wouldn't call it un-presidential when seen in that way.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 05, 2016, 02:25:08 PM

Quote from: bagalia on April 05, 2016, 02:04:00 PM

People see Mexico as at least half responsible for this problem and Mexico only wishes to make it worse. It would be right to make them contribute to the solution. There are many ways it could be done and this is one. It may not be nice but then they are not playing nice either.

Scott, I'm rather surprised that you fail to see the lunacy in asking Mexico for a monetary bribe to NOT implement a policy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 05, 2016, 02:43:38 PM

Here's an idea: instead of looking at all of the data and drawing a conclusion, let's just cherry-pick the one that agrees with our preconceived notions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on April 05, 2016, 02:54:53 PM

It is amazing how much some people criticized an idea or an approach to solving a problem. Most of these people complaining do not offer any solutions.

It would be interesting to hear some ideas of their own?
(if they are capable of logical thought)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 05, 2016, 02:59:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 05, 2016, 02:25:08 PM

Quote from: bagalia on April 05, 2016, 02:04:00 PM
People see Mexico as at least half responsible for this problem and Mexico only wishes to make it worse. It would be right to make them contribute to the solution. There are many ways it could be done and this is one. It may not be nice but then they are not playing nice either.

Scott, I'm rather surprised that you fail to see the lunacy in asking Mexico for a monetary bribe to NOT implement a policy.

I think I could relate it to Putin and Crimea or Obama and Iran.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 05, 2016, 03:10:10 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 01, 2016, 10:43:59 AM

The only truly Patriotic Pro USA-first Nationalist running is Donald J. Trump - The GOP establishment is officially on suicide watch - the General Election will see Hillary Clinton and her Crime Cartel indicted and prosecuted for multiple Federal Crimes - the General Election will see a tidal wave of GOP patriots, Dissatisfied Berners, Reagan Democrats and Independent men and their women vote in force for the True American Patriot the honorable Donald J. Trump.

NOTE: When in combat you DO NOT care if your brothers in arms were boy scouts, alter boys or nice to furry little animals - you only care that they stand shoulder to shoulder with you when it comes time to fight and kill the enemy. that they will have your back as you have theirs. Trump has our back and millions of True Patriots, TEA party, NRA members and Patriotic Veterans have his.

Anyone supporting the Globalists is a traitor and an enemy... the friends of our enemies are our ENEMIES... the revolution is coming and some of us are truly ready to die to defend our beloved country and constitutional FREEDOMS!

Since you are a veteran, it seems odd that you are referring to a draft dodger as "honorable" and a "patriot," when "selfish" and "cowardly" would be more apropos.

Quote from: Wiki

Trump was eligible for the draft lottery during the Vietnam War.[33] He was not drafted due to four student deferments (2-S) while attending college, as well as a medical deferment (1-Y, later converted to 4-F) obtained in 1968 after his college graduation, prior to the lottery being initiated.[34] Trump was deemed fit for service after a military medical examination in 1966 and was briefly classified as 1-A by a local draft board shortly before his 1968 medical disqualification.[35] Trump attributed his medical deferment to "heel spurs" in both feet, according to a 2015 biographer,[28] but told an Iowa campaign audience he suffered from a spur in one foot, although he could not remember which one.[35] "I actually got lucky because I had a very high draft number", he told WNYW in 2011.[36] Selective Service records retrieved by The Smoking Gun website from the National Archives show that, Trump did eventually receive a high selective service lottery number in 1969.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 05, 2016, 03:32:15 PM

Quote from: yankee on April 05, 2016, 02:54:53 PM

It is amazing how much some people criticized an idea or an approach to solving a problem. Most of these people complaining do not offer any solutions.

It would be interesting to hear some ideas of their own?
(if they are capable of logical thought)

And I find it sickening how every single day Trump gets it from all sides. It is so bad that it can just be tuned out as more of nothing. Trump had it correct when he said something about having come so far with all sides against him as they are. Imagine his poll numbers if the machine really got behind him. Lately I see more attacks in the direction of his followers being idiots. I suppose that is the last chance.

But support cannot be because he threatens the whole order of things. A politician promises everything to everyone and then you all get nothing in the end. America gives a lot of support to most of the world in one way or another and probably doesn't get much in return. The world is afraid that may change. The party is afraid it may change. It is possible that Democrats are afraid also.

Trump has solid ideas that he puts out for the public unlike any other politician I can think of. Of course that is not the way to do things. A politician never gives specifics he will later be called on.

Trump has opinions that evolve. He sticks his neck out with every question and he cannot have an answer for everything but he does the best he can. He is a real person. Politicians are real people also but they hide that part in order to get elected.

There are enough safeguards in place that he will not likely start a third world war though it is also possible that it is just time for one to happen anyway. I am a fan of house of cards tv serial and I would bet that diplomacy is not always cake and tea. I really would like to know if they ever hang up on each other, yell at each other or threaten each other. I think so.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 05, 2016, 04:51:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 05, 2016, 01:37:37 PM

Quote from: bagalia on April 05, 2016, 12:33:21 PM
Go ahead and allow more to cross the border. As soon as they learn that the old system is gone and sending money home is not an easy option perhaps they will decide illegal immigration is not an option.

Now as for the western union thing being impractical. Obama makes it sound as if the government will need to track millions of little transfers. The reality is that the law is already there and only needs amending to include WU and transfers. Making WU check for legal identification is not impractical.

I'm not saying this idea doesn't have merit.

I'm saying insisting that the Mexican government pay a "bribe" of $10 billion to build the wall or have the policy implemented is moronic. Anybody who would even suggest such a thing shouldn't be President of the United States.

In your opinion. In my opinion you should apply to be Obama's spokesman and you should definitely turn in your Republican registration. How the party filled up with negative, do nothing fools like you I will never know; except I suspect that a portion of your income comes from illegal immigration and you don't want the well to go dry.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 05, 2016, 05:11:50 PM

So, how did Israel handle illegals (their term: infiltrators)?

They blocked remittances and threatened jail time to anyone who helped them break the law.

They went from 2000 illegal entries per month, to 2.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/168592

Apparently passing the right laws accomplishes *miracles*.

Amazing how it works when a country's politicians actually represent the people, huh?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 05, 2016, 05:19:48 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 05, 2016, 05:11:50 PM

So, how did Israel handle illegals (their term: infiltrators)?

They blocked remittances and threatened jail time to anyone who helped them break the law.

They went from 2000 illegal entries per month, to 2.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/168592

Apparently passing the right laws accomplishes *miracles*.

Amazing how it works when a country's politicians actually represent the people, huh?

That's the bottom line. Shakespear and his buds profit from illegals hence he wants to discredit Trump and smear his supporters. Nothing new to see here, move right along. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 05, 2016, 07:38:42 PM

Cruz won Wisconsin, but it's possibly the last state he will win.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 05, 2016, 07:54:57 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 06:00:24 PM

Tom, ARG now has Trump winning Wisconsin. That would really bite for you, wouldn't it? :ROFL:

http://www.examiner.com/article/arg-poll-places-trump-well-ahead-of-cruz-wisconsin

That just goes to show that one can't take ARG polls seriously.

[Edit for grammar.]

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 05, 2016, 08:04:20 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 05, 2016, 07:54:57 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 06:00:24 PM
Tom, ARG now has Trump winning Wisconsin. That would really bite for you, wouldn't it? :ROFL:

http://www.examiner.com/article/arg-poll-places-trump-well-ahead-of-cruz-wisconsin

That's just goes to show that one can't take ARG polls seriously.

That's just goes to show????

WTF was that??? :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 05, 2016, 08:08:34 PM

Wisconsin ended as I and most others expected it to (I didn't trust the ARG poll either :laugh:). Now it's on to much better places. At least Trump is expected to win New York resoundingly. In fact I believe that Cruz's "New York values" dig on Trump is going to hurt him badly.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/04/05/new-york-donald-trumps-home-state-promises-a-warmer-climate-than-wisconsin/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 06, 2016, 01:13:46 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 05, 2016, 08:04:20 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 05, 2016, 07:54:57 PM
Quote from: Anteros on April 04, 2016, 06:00:24 PM
Tom, ARG now has Trump winning Wisconsin. That would really bite for you, wouldn't it? :ROFL:

http://www.examiner.com/article/arg-poll-places-trump-well-ahead-of-cruz-wisconsin

That's just goes to show that one can't take ARG polls seriously.

Quote
That's just goes to show????

Just think, if you had done that he would have urged you to jump off the nearest cliff.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 06, 2016, 03:42:23 AM

Is it just me or is Megyn Kelly looking lesser and lesser hot? Even scary?

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-06%20at%201.35.18%20PM_zpsmrrho2cc.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on April 06, 2016, 03:48:32 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 06, 2016, 03:42:23 AM

Is it just me or is Megyn Kelly looking lesser and lesser hot? Even scary?

She cut her hair short. A sign of tiredness. No longer the will to keep up and look sexy.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/24/05/2DB8959500000578-0-image-a-60_1445659735644.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 06, 2016, 05:16:11 AM

She has a harsh look to her. No wonder Hillary Clinton likes her.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Aguilera_clinton_thumb_zpsvvuewvns.jpg)

NOT Kelly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 06, 2016, 05:18:00 AM

There is a developing story that Trump won Paul Ryan's congressional district.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 06, 2016, 05:25:19 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 06, 2016, 05:16:11 AM

She has a harsh look to her. No wonder Hillary Clinton likes her.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Aguilera_clinton_thumb_zpsvvuewvns.jpg)

NOT Kelly.

I have always thought Hillary was/is a carpet muncher.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 06, 2016, 07:41:21 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 05, 2016, 07:38:42 PM

Cruz won Wisconsin, but it's possibly the last state he will win.

Not hardly.

Trump is done. He cannot get to 1237 and he knows it. Optimistic projections now show he will be anywhere from 40-80 delegates short. The bitter, whining crybaby press release that came from The Trump campaign after the asswhipping he took in Wisconsin proves he knows he's beat. In sports and politics, nobody likes a bad loser and Trump is the picture-boy for being a bad loser.

http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/04/05/wisconsin-loser-donald-trump-issues-loser-statement-losing/

He's now on a downward trend that will continue into New York and the rest of the eastern primary states. He won't win all the delegates from New York. New York rules state: if a candidate gets more than 50% of the vote in each of the 27 congressional districts gets 3 delegates. If no candidate breaks the 50% threshold, the the candidate with the most votes gets 2 delegates and the second place finisher gets 1 delegate. 15 delegates go to the candidate who gets the most votes in the state.

There will be no President Trump. Ohio baked the cake and Wisconsin put the icing on it.

The only decision left to be made now is how Trump will exit the campaign. Will he graciously rally his supporters to back the eventual Republican nominee and beat Hillary Clinton? If so, he'll be treated with respect at the convention and be allowed to make a prominent speech. If not, he'll be treated like yesterday's news and sent home without a second thought.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 06, 2016, 07:42:21 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 06, 2016, 05:18:00 AM

There is a developing story that Trump won Paul Ryan's congressional district.

Totally false. More bad loser comments from Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 06, 2016, 07:49:57 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 06, 2016, 03:42:23 AM

Is it just me or is Megyn Kelly looking lesser and lesser hot? Even scary?

I agree.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on April 06, 2016, 08:02:35 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 06, 2016, 03:42:23 AM

Is it just me or is Megyn Kelly looking lesser and lesser hot? Even scary?

Not a great pic of her, but on the "43 y.o. woman with 3 kids" scale, she scores pretty highly.

Beyond that, one reason is, she cut off her hair. In the "Megyn v. The Donald" Feud, she is farm more 'triggered' by him than he is by her...and after he basically called her a bimbo he went out and got a non-bimbo haircut. Well, hair is 50% of a woman's beauty, so she went from having those long, blonde locks to the more severe cut she has now ... one can only imagine that "mom jeans" are on the horizon....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on April 06, 2016, 08:05:20 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2016, 07:41:21 AM

The only decision left to be made now is how Trump will exit the campaign. Will he graciously rally his supporters to back the eventual Republican nominee and beat Hillary Clinton? If so, he'll be treated with respect at the convention and be allowed to make a prominent speech. If not, he'll be treated like yesterday's news and sent home without a second thought.

I think Trump's speech will be something like "F*ck you. F*ck all of you!"*

B/B

*Translated from the original German.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 06, 2016, 08:37:19 AM

Quote from: B.B. on April 06, 2016, 08:05:20 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2016, 07:41:21 AM
The only decision left to be made now is how Trump will exit the campaign. Will he graciously rally his supporters to back the eventual Republican nominee and beat Hillary Clinton? If so, he'll be treated with respect at the convention and be allowed to make a prominent speech. If not, he'll be treated like yesterday's news and sent home without a second thought.

I think Trump's speech will be something like "F*ck you. F*ck all of you!"*

B/B

*Translated from the original German.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 06, 2016, 08:45:34 AM

Quote from: B.B. on April 06, 2016, 08:05:20 AM

I think Trump's speech will be something like "F*ck you. F*ck all of you!"*

B/B

From the inappropriate behavior he's displayed so far, I fear you are right. But we can hope he grows up, shows some class and acts like anything but a spoiled brat at the convention.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 06, 2016, 09:52:23 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2016, 08:45:34 AM

Quote from: B.B. on April 06, 2016, 08:05:20 AM
I think Trump's speech will be something like "F*ck you. F*ck all of you!"*

B/B

From the inappropriate behavior he's displayed so far, I fear you are right. But we can hope he grows up, shows some class and acts like anything but a spoiled brat at the convention.

So says the guy who hopes to steal the nomination thru backroom shady deals and disrespecting the will of the people.

All, and I mean the sum total, of what you and your cronies are going to do, is to totally destroy the Republican party as we know it. Do you like Democrats a whole lot? The actions of weasels Boehner and McConnell clearly show they do. Anyways, get ready to have a Democratic house, a Democratic Senate, and a Democratic President.

If you get your way, which is still doubtful.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 06, 2016, 09:56:57 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2016, 07:41:21 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 05, 2016, 07:38:42 PM
Cruz won Wisconsin, but it's possibly the last state he will win.

Not hardly.

Trump is done. He cannot get to 1237 and he knows it. Optimistic projections now show he will be anywhere from 40-80 delegates short. The bitter, whining crybaby press release that came from The Trump campaign after the asswhipping he took in Wisconsin proves he knows he's beat. In sports and politics, nobody likes a bad loser and Trump is the picture-boy for being a bad loser.

http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/04/05/wisconsin-loser-donald-trump-issues-loser-statement-losing/

He's now on a downward trend that will continue into New York and the rest of the eastern primary states. He won't win all the delegates from New York. New York rules state: if a candidate gets more than 50% of the vote in each of the 27 congressional districts gets 3 delegates. If no candidate breaks the 50% threshold, the the candidate with the most votes gets 2 delegates and the second place finisher gets 1 delegate. 15 delegates go to the candidate who gets the most votes in the state.

There will be no President Trump. Ohio baked the cake and Wisconsin put the icing on it.

The only decision left to be made now is how Trump will exit the campaign. Will he graciously rally his supporters to back the eventual Republican nominee and beat Hillary Clinton? If so, he'll be treated with respect at the convention and be allowed to make a prominent speech. If not, he'll be treated like yesterday's news and sent home without a second thought.

You're still delusional. If Trump doesn't get the 1237, he still has major weight and negotiating power at the convention.

Per Newt Gingrich, if it's a brokered convention there are only two possible nominees: Cruz or Trump. You don't like either one although clearly Cruz has been willing to be influenced by the likes of Neil Bush. Clearly Cruz is the more establishment choice.

Anyways, your choice is Cruz or Trump, if Donald doesn't get to 1237. There is still plenty of time for him to get those delegates.

At this point you're still dreaming and delusional.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 06, 2016, 11:05:11 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 06, 2016, 09:56:57 AM

Cruz has been willing to be influenced by the likes of Neil Bush. Clearly Cruz is the more establishment choice.

And his wife is on leave from Goldman Sachs, used to work just under Condi Rice as a deputy, the Cruz's were a "Bush marriage" as they met while both worked for Bush and Cruz got a million dollar loan from G.S. for his campaign. Yeah I would say Cruz is an acceptable choice to the establishment Republicans. He was/is the Trojan horse into the Tea Party. With Cruz it will be same ol' same ol'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 06, 2016, 11:10:04 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 01, 2016, 10:45:43 AM

First Wisconsin is a winner take all state. At the rate the GOP is losing support Hillary could be in jail and still win. This way maybe she could pardon herself.

You've got to ask yourself now, whom do you HATE more, Hillary Clinton or the Republican Party establishment. I bet most of the country hate the Republican Party establishment more that is why there is a Donald Trump in the first place.

1) Wisconsin is not a winner-take-all state. (Trump won six delegates.)

2) There is a Donald Trump because of careless breeding and even more careless upbringing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 06, 2016, 11:41:46 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 06, 2016, 09:56:57 AM

You're still delusional. If Trump doesn't get the 1237, he still has major weight and negotiating power at the convention.

If he doesn't get 1237, he has ZERO power after the first vote. After the first ballot his delegates, selected by the Republican establishment will flee like rats from a sinking ship.

Quote from: Anteros on April 06, 2016, 09:56:57 AM

Per Newt Gingrich, if it's a brokered convention there are only two possible nominees: Cruz or Trump.

Interesting? How many delegates does Gingrich control? He's a has been with no power left in the Republican Party. Cruz is a tool being used by the Republican Party to stop Trump. After the first ballot, they'll ditch both and put their own guy in place - you can bank on it.

Quote from: Anteros on April 06, 2016, 09:56:57 AM

Anyways, your choice is Cruz or Trump, if Donald doesn't get to 1237. There is still plenty of time for him to get those delegates.

You need math lessons. The ONLY chance Trump has to get on the ticket is for him to go "hat in hand" to Cruz and offer to be his Vice-President and make a deal to that effect BEFORE the convention starts. But his ego and hubris won't allow him to do the right thing.

Quote from: Anteros on April 06, 2016, 09:56:57 AM

At this point you're still dreaming and delusional.

Hope you haven't already spent that $300 you THOUGHT you were going to win :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 06, 2016, 04:14:56 PM

Trump is the only republican candidate that can still reach 1237 So until it becomes no longer possible then Trump could turn it around.
Between Cruz and the anti Trump camp, Trump was outspent 4 to 1 in Wisconsin.
You can bet Trump won't let that happen in the remaining states.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 06, 2016, 05:18:54 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2016, 11:41:46 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 06, 2016, 09:56:57 AM
You're still delusional. If Trump doesn't get the 1237, he still has major weight and negotiating power at the convention.

If he doesn't get 1237, he has ZERO power after the first vote. After the first ballot his delegates, selected by the Republican establishment will flee like rats from a sinking ship.

Quote from: Anteros on April 06, 2016, 09:56:57 AM
Per Newt Gingrich, if it's a brokered convention there are only two possible nominees: Cruz or Trump.

Interesting? How many delegates does Gingrich control? He's a has been with no power left in the Republican Party. Cruz is a tool being used by the Republican Party to stop Trump. After the first ballot, they'll ditch both and put their own guy in place - you can bank on it.

No disrespect meant to you however I'm confident that Newt Gingrich knows what he's talking about. You've already admitted that you really don't like Cruz even though I suspect you would vote for Cruz before you would vote for Trump.

Those are your two choices, pick one. Trump will be winning most of the delegates from here out so we'll see if he can pull this out and become the nominee.

I never count my chickens before they hatch however I'm not so sure that is the case with you.

Trump is having a huge rally in Long Island, New York tonight. Hope you tune in and watch the nominee and the next President of the USA. :laugh:

https://www.facebook.com/newtgingrich/videos/vb.19182454196/10154058131259197/?type=2&theater&notif_t=live_video&notif_id=1459965882279760

PS Watch this video very carefully and pay attention. Your little fantasy of somebody other than Cruz or Trump is not gonna happen.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 06, 2016, 05:35:14 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 06, 2016, 11:10:04 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 01, 2016, 10:45:43 AM
First Wisconsin is a winner take all state. At the rate the GOP is losing support Hillary could be in jail and still win. This way maybe she could pardon herself.

You've got to ask yourself now, whom do you HATE more, Hillary Clinton or the Republican Party establishment. I bet most of the country hate the Republican Party establishment more that is why there is a Donald Trump in the first place.

1) Wisconsin is not a winner-take-all state. (Trump won six delegates.)

2) There is a Donald Trump because of careless breeding and even more careless upbringing.

(There you go again) What's your excuse? Do I need to remind you of Trump's accomplishments versus your own?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 06, 2016, 05:36:22 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 06, 2016, 11:05:11 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 06, 2016, 09:56:57 AM
Cruz has been willing to be influenced by the likes of Neil Bush. Clearly Cruz is the more establishment choice.

And his wife is on leave from Goldman Sachs, used to work just under Condi Rice as a deputy, the Cruz's were a "Bush marriage" as they met while both worked for Bush and Cruz got a million dollar loan from G.S. for his campaign. Yeah I would say Cruz is an acceptable choice to the establishment Republicans. He was/is the Trojan horse into the Tea Party. With Cruz it will be same ol' same ol'.

Even so I believe Cruz would be a thousand times better choice than Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 06, 2016, 08:52:10 PM

Interesting Romney and Ryan tipped their delusional hands for a Coup d'Etat:

http://www.returnofkings.com/82614/fec-filing-mitt-romney-and-the-republican-establishment-ready-to-steal-trumps-nomination

Are they cucking nutz?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 06, 2016, 09:39:16 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 06, 2016, 08:52:10 PM

Interesting Romney and Ryan tipped their delusional hands for a Coup d'Etat:

http://www.returnofkings.com/82614/fec-filing-mitt-romney-and-the-republican-establishment-ready-to-steal-trumps-nomination

Are they cucking nutz?

Twit Romney had his chance. Trump is a hell of a lot better choice, and given the republican candidacy Trump will smoke Hillary or Bernie.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 06, 2016, 10:17:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2016, 11:41:46 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 06, 2016, 09:56:57 AM
You're still delusional. If Trump doesn't get the 1237, he still has major weight and negotiating power at the convention.

If he doesn't get 1237, he has ZERO power after the first vote. After the first ballot his delegates, selected by the Republican establishment will flee like rats from a sinking ship.

The Republican Party will be the sinking ship if it doesn't address and solve the problems Trump (Trade and Immigration) and Sanders (Corporate inversion and Banksterizm) have brought up. The people have caught on what a racket the two parties are. How could you expect people to support them anymore especially the Republican Party who is on record for wanting to put in someone they approve of that didn't even get one vote?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 06, 2016, 10:27:03 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 06, 2016, 08:52:10 PM

Interesting Romney and Ryan tipped their delusional hands for a Coup d'Etat:

http://www.returnofkings.com/82614/fec-filing-mitt-romney-and-the-republican-establishment-ready-to-steal-trumps-nomination

Are they cucking nutz?

I like this part:

Quote

All the passion and energy into Donald Trump’s unexpectedly meteoric campaign will be for nothing when the elites remind us in the proceeding months who’s really in charge. The fact that Trump has the support of millions of patriotic Americans who want to make American great again will not matter when the masters of the United States exert control over their impotent slaves. Perhaps it was naivety on the part of Trump supporters to think that a man with immeasurable will, strength, and high energy could fight the establishment and usher in a new age of genuine American conservatism.

Or maybe he will be able to fight it.

Trump faces a battle with tough odds, but if he can’t usher in this peaceful political revolution, who can? Either we see the rightful candidacy of Donald Trump this fall or the destruction of a Republican party that is blatantly selling out its own constituents for their pro-Israel and moneyed interests. We won’t have to wait long to find out what happens.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 06, 2016, 10:31:41 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 06, 2016, 09:39:16 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 06, 2016, 08:52:10 PM
Interesting Romney and Ryan tipped their delusional hands for a Coup d'Etat:

http://www.returnofkings.com/82614/fec-filing-mitt-romney-and-the-republican-establishment-ready-to-steal-trumps-nomination

Are they cucking nutz?

Twit Romney had his chance. Trump is a hell of a lot better choice, and given the republican candidacy Trump will smoke Hillary or Bernie.

The Republican establishment wants a loser so Hillary can win. She will preserve their racket because it is allied with her own.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 07, 2016, 08:24:37 AM

Trump is figuring out how the game is played - but it's probably too late.

He hired Paul Manafort, a "consumate DC insider" who is a "veteran delegate hunting specialist".

He's not going to get to 1237, but with Manafort on his team, he now has perhaps a 10% chance of getting the nomination after the first ballot. Manafort may also slow down the wholesale delegate poaching that Cruz has been doing to and ignorant Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on April 07, 2016, 08:27:14 AM

If you think Trump is unique in name calling and such read this :popcorn:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/7-ways-donald-trump-is-just-1402033286914102.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 07, 2016, 08:34:51 AM

^ By those low standards, Anteros is just like the founding fathers; perhaps he ought to enter the race.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 07, 2016, 08:40:46 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 06, 2016, 08:52:10 PM

Interesting Romney and Ryan tipped their delusional hands for a Coup d'Etat:

http://www.returnofkings.com/82614/fec-filing-mitt-romney-and-the-republican-establishment-ready-to-steal-trumps-nomination

Are they cucking nutz?

You just don't "get it".

If Trump doesn't get 1237 on the first ballot, they're "stealing" nothing.

Close doesn't count.

The Mark Levin piece I requested you listen to (which you obviously didn't) explained it completely.

Delegates are pledged for the first vote only. Then, depending on their state laws, they can vote for whomever they wish as the voting process continues. History tells us it could take as many as 40 ballots to finally get somebody to recieve the votes from over 50% of the delegates.

Trump has been hemorrhaging delegates to the Cruz Convention Machine for months. Dumbass Trump just figured it out when he put his hubris aside after getting his ass kicked in Wisconsin and asked people for advice. Hiring Paul Manafort is the first smart thing Trump's campaign has done. But it's too little too late I'm afraid.

Trump will NEVER get the nomination unless he gets 1237 on the first ballot. Haven't you started to figure that out yet?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 07, 2016, 09:16:15 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 07, 2016, 08:24:37 AM

Trump is figuring out how the game is played - but it's probably too late.

He hired Paul Manafort, a "consumate DC insider" who is a "veteran delegate hunting specialist".

He's not going to get to 1237, but with Manafort on his team, he now has perhaps a 10% chance of getting the nomination after the first ballot. Manafort may also slow down the wholesale delegate poaching that Cruz has been doing to and ignorant Trump.

Good for Trump. I admit he's made some boneheaded moves; quite a few actually. But you've got to admit he also worked the media for publicity and did a very good job for an amateur of getting to the top of the heap.

Did you watch the video I posted of Newt Gingrich? You've got two choices. Cruz or Trump. Enjoy. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 07, 2016, 09:28:32 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 07, 2016, 09:16:15 AM

Did you watch the video I posted of Newt Gingrich? You've got two choices. Cruz or Trump. Enjoy. :laugh:

Add Kasisch in there and I'd say that's highly likely. But I'd say there's a 20% chance some outsider could sneak in.

You watched the Levin piece - please explain to Cuffy that if Trump doesn't get to 1237 on the first ballot, they're stealing NOTHING!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 07, 2016, 10:04:17 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 07, 2016, 09:28:32 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 07, 2016, 09:16:15 AM
Did you watch the video I posted of Newt Gingrich? You've got two choices. Cruz or Trump. Enjoy. :laugh:

Add Kasisch in there and I'd say that's highly likely. But I'd say there's a 20% chance some outsider could sneak in.

You watched the Levin piece - please explain to Cuffy that if Trump doesn't get to 1237 on the first ballot, they're stealing NOTHING!

Cuffy is kind of on his own planet. :laugh: I like him but he's certainly unique.

I don't see Kasich sneaking in there and in fact he's being a spoiler and should quit. I could live with Cruz although I think he's more likely to cause another war in the ME.

I believe Trump could destroy ISIS without resorting to "carpet bombing" and without causing more problems, in particular with Russia. Just my opinion.

I always hope Trump will act more Presidential but Trump also marches to the beat of his own drummer. At least he's figured out he needed a pro to understand the rules!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 07, 2016, 10:48:51 AM

I see today there is a little war between Hillary and Bernie calling each other not qualified to be president. I think it gives new meaning to the whole program. None of the prime candidates are now qualified so it is a moot topic.

As for a second vote with an unknown in the race, it seems to me that the rules would need to be changed to allow someone without a single state majority into the race. Maybe we will see where this is heading when it gets that far.

I think it is just a travesty that you make up the rules at the end instead of the start. I see it as stealing the vote also even if it is the way things are. It is just that it has not been so obvious in the near past that people never really saw it for what it was. That and with the vote so skewed as it is now. Maybe I am wrong. I just have a feeling that the rise of the internet has educated people more to these things.

It will still be awhile before the end game for Trump. The fat lady (California) hasn't sung her song yet. Anything can happen.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 07, 2016, 11:37:52 AM

Quote from: bagalia on April 07, 2016, 10:48:51 AM

As for a second vote with an unknown in the race, it seems to me that the rules would need to be changed to allow someone without a single state majority into the race. Maybe we will see where this is heading when it gets that far.

That rule was made by the 2012 Convention Rules Committee and only covers the 2012 convention.

The 2016 Rules will be drafted by the 2016 Rules Committee at the start of the convention.

The Chairman of the 2012 Convention Rules Committee said this rule was only made to accommodate limited television time. The nominating process can go on for a long time and they wanted to limit the tv time to those who actually had a national public interest.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 07, 2016, 11:43:15 AM

Hillary Clinton,

Woman of the people,

Proud New York resident,

Can't figure out how to ride a New York City subway . . . . . . . . . . . .

Probably because it's the first time her elitist ass has ever been on one

bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-rides-subway-york-city/story?id=38218560

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 07, 2016, 05:02:21 PM

Clinton has plummeted below 50%!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 07, 2016, 08:49:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 07, 2016, 11:43:15 AM

Hillary Clinton,

Woman of the people,

Proud New York resident,

Can't figure out how to ride a New York City subway . . . . . . . . . . . .

Probably because it's the first time her elitist ass has ever been on one

bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-rides-subway-york-city/story?id=38218560

Watch the part where they ask her how long it's been since she was on the subway carefully. She clearly lied when she claimed: "a year, year and a half, Her eyes shifted and her voice quivered. Like you said, she's never been on one. You would think her handlers would have set that up better and shown her what to do.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 07, 2016, 09:05:46 PM

Is this the smoking gun which will destroy Cruz's campaign? Or maybe Kasich's (although I doubt he's the guy). Phone records of a now deceased DC Madam might be released. Slumba and Andrew are going to love this one!
The attorney in charge of these records say that it could definitely affect the election!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/other-dc-madam-associates-discuss-potential-election-bombshell/ar-BBruv1L?li=BBnbfcL

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 08, 2016, 12:47:27 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 07, 2016, 09:05:46 PM

Is this the smoking gun which will destroy Cruz's campaign? Or maybe Kasich's (although I doubt he's the guy). Phone records of a now deceased DC Madam might be released. Slumba and Andrew are going to love this one!
The attorney in charge of these records say that it could definitely affect the election!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/other-dc-madam-associates-discuss-potential-election-bombshell/ar-BBruv1L?li=BBnbfcL

There is a site which "claims" to have about 7800 phone records (many numbers are duplicates, that is, many numbers were called more than once) of the DC Madam, and they put them online. I downloaded a copy, but, it does not include names to go with the phone numbers.

I could script something that would query and then give me the name assigned to each phone number, but really am not sure I want to take the time to do it: it might be a 'wild good chase'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 08, 2016, 08:53:30 AM

If given real power, Trump's Heinrich Müller wannabe might accomplish great things.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/08/corey-lewandowski-called-coworker-f-cking-b-tch-yelled-at-subordinate-for-visiting-dying-grandma.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28The+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29&ref=yfp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 08, 2016, 09:09:13 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 07, 2016, 09:05:46 PM

Is this the smoking gun which will destroy Cruz's campaign? Or maybe Kasich's (although I doubt he's the guy). Phone records of a now deceased DC Madam might be released. Slumba and Andrew are going to love this one!
The attorney in charge of these records say that it could definitely affect the election!

I imagine this new story will have the same legs that the other LIE had about all Cruz's affairs

Still waiting for Andrewfi to admit he was wrong on this issue.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 08, 2016, 09:24:48 AM

^ I take it that you don't believe that Lewandowski is Heinrich Müller's reincarnation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 08, 2016, 09:39:58 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 08, 2016, 08:53:30 AM

If given real power, Trump's Heinrich Müller wannabe might accomplish great things.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/08/corey-lewandowski-called-coworker-f-cking-b-tch-yelled-at-subordinate-for-visiting-dying-grandma.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28The+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29&ref=yfp

After reading that I've got to admit that I would like to see Lewandowski immediately fired. Not very encouraging.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 08, 2016, 09:42:20 AM

Meanwhile Bill Clinton yells at Black Lives matters protestors. In other news Sanders is planning for brokered Democratic convention (or so he thinks).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3529023/Bill-Clinton-s-furious-tirade-Black-Lives-Matters-hecklers-defending-people-killed-lives-say-matter.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 08, 2016, 09:53:00 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/08/source-no-coincidence-romanian-hacker-guccifer-extradited-amid-clinton-probe.html

And so we move to Hillary could have been hacked to Hillary was hacked and some of her info is in the clouds. It just could be that those in government who dislike the Clinton's may finally be able to extract revenge. Then all that's left is Bernie Socialist. But is there time?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 08, 2016, 10:20:26 AM

Quote from: bagalia on April 08, 2016, 09:53:00 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/08/source-no-coincidence-romanian-hacker-guccifer-extradited-amid-clinton-probe.html

And so we move to Hillary could have been hacked to Hillary was hacked and some of her info is in the clouds. It just could be that those in government who dislike the Clinton's may finally be able to extract revenge. Then all that's left is Bernie Socialist. But is there time?

Time to indict Hillary which causes her to drop and and enlist Biden? Yes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 08, 2016, 10:51:43 AM

Quote from: bagalia on April 08, 2016, 09:53:00 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/08/source-no-coincidence-romanian-hacker-guccifer-extradited-amid-clinton-probe.html

And so we move to Hillary could have been hacked to Hillary was hacked and some of her info is in the clouds. It just could be that those in government who dislike the Clinton's may finally be able to extract revenge. Then all that's left is Bernie Socialist. But is there time?

If a single Romanian hacker could gain access to the server, then this means the Chinese and Russian governments, at a minimum, have better backups of Hillary's email, than she does :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 08, 2016, 02:36:39 PM

Wrong about what Shakespear?
Be specific and please relate it to words that I actually used rather than inventions and imaginings that others have laid at my door.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 08, 2016, 02:41:27 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 08, 2016, 02:36:39 PM

Wrong about what Shakespear?
Be specific and please relate it to words that I actually used rather than inventions and imaginings that others have laid at my door.

Oh Gawd . . . . . . .

Wrong about the story that Cruz had five mistresses. You said it was absolutely true.

You were wrong.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 08, 2016, 04:22:36 PM

From a neutral source - why Trump CANNOT be the Republican candidate in 2016

http://discover.economist.com/?a=21693924&cid1=d/soc/Facebook/dyn/21693924/20160330-00:00am/paid/social-LA/BR-PO/BRP3/n/subs/US/BR-LIT&cid3=UM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 08, 2016, 04:42:13 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 08, 2016, 04:22:36 PM

From a neutral source - why Trump CANNOT be the Republican candidate in 2016

http://discover.economist.com/?a=21693924&cid1=d/soc/Facebook/dyn/21693924/20160330-00:00am/paid/social-LA/BR-PO/BRP3/n/subs/US/BR-LIT&cid3=UM

1. Link doesn't load

2. Economist is 'neutral' ... no they are not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 08, 2016, 05:24:19 PM

The latest poll has Trump at 52% in New York. Ted Cruz? I think he has about 16%. LOL!

Trump is going to kick Cruz's ass in New York, give him two black eyes and a broken nose.

How you like those New York values, Ted?

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/04/06/poll-shows-donald-trump-above-50-in-new-york-state/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 08, 2016, 10:13:21 PM

^ The question is whether or not Trump is going to kick Clinton's ass in New York.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 08, 2016, 11:36:06 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 08, 2016, 10:13:21 PM

^ The question is whether or not Trump is going to kick Clinton's ass in New York.

While I appreciate your persistence it's simply much too early to be talking about polls between Clinton and Trump.

In fact on Monday I suggest you watch the interview of President Obama by Chris Wallace and pay close attention to what he says about Hillary Clinton.

Hillary is going to be questioned by the FBI and if she's caught in a lie which for her is inevitable she will be going down a path which leads to her not being able to run for President.

I'm more confident now that Trump will be the nominee and much less confident that Hillary will last. If she does and those are the final two we can talk about polls closer to the election. I suggest a few weeks prior to the election and those polls will finally have some real meaning.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 08, 2016, 11:39:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 08, 2016, 04:22:36 PM

From a neutral source - why Trump CANNOT be the Republican candidate in 2016

http://discover.economist.com/?a=21693924&cid1=d/soc/Facebook/dyn/21693924/20160330-00:00am/paid/social-LA/BR-PO/BRP3/n/subs/US/BR-LIT&cid3=UM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-09%20at%209.28.11%20AM_zps9fjxebkq.png)

Even the headline tells that the Economist is not neutral.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 08, 2016, 11:45:26 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 08, 2016, 11:36:06 PM

In fact on Monday I suggest you watch the interview of President Obama by Chris Wallace and pay close attention to what he says about Hillary Clinton.

Hillary is going to be questioned by the FBI and if she's caught in a lie which for her is inevitable she will be going down a path which leads to her not being able to run for President.

Obama can't be too pleased with what the Clintons have been saying about him and his administration this last week. Obama's a vengeful sort as is Hillary. Remember these photos from a little while back?

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-03-22%20at%208.55.28%20AM_zpseftj8lnv.png)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/B%20Clinton%20Walking%20Dead_zpscmnvslvn.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 09, 2016, 12:01:22 AM

Trust me, Valerie Jarrett is on it. Bill Clinton just had a big blow-out with some "black lives matter" protestors. He later apologized, when he remembered that the deal Obama made with him regarding Hillary might have gone up in smoke due to him making trouble with those who Obama holds very dear.

Hillary better take the 5th when she is interviewed by the FBI, but I'm betting she won't due to her astronomical ego.

PS Doesn't that photo make Bill look like a pervy old Vampire? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 09, 2016, 12:32:03 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 09, 2016, 12:01:22 AM

Trust me, Valerie Jarrett is on it. Bill Clinton just had a big blow-out with some "black lives matter" protestors. He later apologized, when he remembered that the deal Obama made with him regarding Hillary might have gone up in smoke due to him making trouble with those who Obama holds very dear.

Hillary better take the 5th when she is interviewed by the FBI, but I'm betting she won't due to her astronomical ego.

PS Doesn't that photo make Bill look like a pervy old Vampire? :laugh:

I call it "walking dead Bill" The Clintons when Obama was a challenge to Hillary in '08 sent out their investigators to check him out. The birth certificate issue was just a clever distraction a 'red herring' if you will. Obama has one shady background with a very questionable scholastic record. Why else would he seal his school records? For a guy who's supposed to be "the smartest guy in the room" why would he do that? I wouldn't be surprised if the Clintons got the info on that as well as his shady friends, associates and mentor.

I heard yesterday Trump has some dirt on Roger Ails as well. Politics has alway been known to be a dirty business.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 09, 2016, 12:57:27 AM

Pretty much what Shakespear has been saying.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/these-200-people-could-decide-whether-donald-trump-gets-the-gop-nomination/2016/04/07/5c5999e0-fc41-11e5-9140-e61d062438bb_story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 09, 2016, 07:58:01 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 09, 2016, 12:57:27 AM

Pretty much what Shakespear has been saying.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/these-200-people-could-decide-whether-donald-trump-gets-the-gop-nomination/2016/04/07/5c5999e0-fc41-11e5-9140-e61d062438bb_story.html

Each state has their own set of rules, so this could go either way.

Florida's delegate rules could boost Donald Trump at contested convention

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/04/08/floridas-delegate-rules-could-boost-donald-trump-contested-convention/82789216/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 09, 2016, 08:06:00 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 08, 2016, 05:24:19 PM

The latest poll has Trump at 52% in New York. Ted Cruz? I think he has about 16%. LOL!

Trump is going to kick Cruz's ass in New York, give him two black eyes and a broken nose.

Of course Trump is going to win New York.

But if Cruz and Kasich can pick off any of the delegates by keeping Trump under 50% in any of the 27 congressional districts it will be a victory for them.

BTW Cruz sweeping Colorado today.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 09, 2016, 08:08:09 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 09, 2016, 07:58:01 AM

Each state has their own set of rules, so this could go either way.

No it won't. It will NOT go Trump's way.

Cruz has been courting these delegates for over a year. Trump just opened his eyes and started playing the game on Monday.

It will be too little, too late, I guarantee it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 09, 2016, 08:19:20 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 09, 2016, 08:06:00 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 08, 2016, 05:24:19 PM
The latest poll has Trump at 52% in New York. Ted Cruz? I think he has about 16%. LOL!

Trump is going to kick Cruz's ass in New York, give him two black eyes and a broken nose.

Of course Trump is going to win New York.

But if Cruz and Kasich can pick off any of the delegates by keeping Trump under 50% in any of the 27 congressional districts it will be a victory for them.

BTW Cruz sweeping Colorado today.

RINO country as is Wisconsin.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 09, 2016, 09:03:51 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 09, 2016, 08:08:09 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 09, 2016, 07:58:01 AM
Each state has their own set of rules, so this could go either way.

No it won't. It will NOT go Trump's way.

Cruz has been courting these delegates for over a year. Trump just opened his eyes and started playing the game on Monday.

It will be too little, too late, I guarantee it.

Trump's new Convention Manager Paul Manafort does not agree with you! Don't spend my $$.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/08/aide-says-trump-will-reach-1237-delegates-before-convention-video/

http://www.youtube.com/v/IivP2Q12nnQ

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 09, 2016, 11:32:16 AM

As for Trumps electability among women, having the endorsement of a few female celebrities could turn the table.

Actress Kirstie Alley endorses Donald Trump

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/actress-kirstie-alley-endorses-donald-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 09, 2016, 12:27:35 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 09, 2016, 09:03:51 AM

Trump's new Convention Manager Paul Manafort does not agree with you! Don't spend my $$.

What do you expect him to say?

That the guy who is paying him hundreds of thousands of dollars doesn't have a chance?

Too little too late.

I'm telling ya. . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 09, 2016, 12:30:51 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 09, 2016, 11:32:16 AM

As for Trumps electability among women, having the endorsement of a few female celebrities could turn the table.

Actress Kirstie Alley endorses Donald Trump

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/actress-kirstie-alley-endorses-donald-trump/

Just what we need a nutty Scientologist just like Tom Cruise and John Revolting.

Better off with the Kardashians.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 09, 2016, 12:41:03 PM

I am surprised she would endorse him. She must have gotten a green light from her Hollywood friends.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 09, 2016, 12:56:52 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 09, 2016, 12:41:03 PM

I am surprised she would endorse him. She must have gotten a green light from her Hollywood friends.

Other than commercials for fat people who lost weight she is unemployable. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 09, 2016, 12:58:11 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 09, 2016, 12:27:35 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 09, 2016, 09:03:51 AM
Trump's new Convention Manager Paul Manafort does not agree with you! Don't spend my $$.

What do you expect him to say?

That the guy who is paying him hundreds of thousands of dollars doesn't have a chance?

Too little too late.

I'm telling ya. . . . . . . . . . . .

On June 7th when Trump wins California that will put him over the top.

I'm telling ya....................... :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 09, 2016, 01:02:41 PM

11:02 PM and it is bedtime for me.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/despite-media-smear-trump-unfavorable-rating-rivals-reagans-1980/

Trump is polling higher than Reagan this time of the year in 1980.

Quote

The nation’s Republicans are working against the clock to answer two key questions: Can conservative Ronald Reagan possibly attract enough independent and Democratic votes to win in November?

An if he is likely to lose, has former President Gerald Ford time enough to challenge him for the GOP nomination?

The consensus among political experts is that time has probably already run out for Gerald Ford, though he still appears the stronger choice to beat Jimmy Carter in November.

But some experts caution: Don’t count Ronald Reagan out as a national candidate for the fall. He is not, they say, “a McGovern or a Goldwater” — fringe candidates who led their parties to one-sided defeats in 1972 and 1964. Intellectuals don’t want to take him seriously, but he does well with working-class voters. He would take the West, challenge President Carter in the South, and do well in the pivotal Midwest states like Ohio and Illinois, whose southern regions titled toward Carter in 1976, they say.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 09, 2016, 01:25:00 PM

The American Patriot viewpoint:

The Establishment Thought Donald Trump’s Campaign Was Over – Until They Saw These Polls
http://www.americanpatriotdaily.com/latest/the-establishment-thought-donald-trumps-campaign-was-over-until-they-saw-these-polls/

And the heat is on Hillary now:

147 FBI Agents Involved In Hillary’s Email Probe – The Awful Reason Why
http://www.americanpatriotdaily.com/featured/147-fbi-agents-involved-in-hillarys-email-probe-heres-why/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 09, 2016, 01:43:10 PM

^ He's a draft-dodger, not a patriot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on April 09, 2016, 02:11:21 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 09, 2016, 01:43:10 PM

^ He's a draft-dodger, not a patriot.

TomT, here is one definition of Patriot "A person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors"

How is being a draft-doger mean he is not a patriot?
How did you determine that Trump is a draft-doger? Did he run to Canada like many did?

The fact that he is running for office is a strong indication that he is a Patriot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 09, 2016, 02:14:09 PM

^ The story of Trump's "military service" is on Wiki.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on April 09, 2016, 02:19:55 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 09, 2016, 02:14:09 PM

^ The story of Trump's "military service" is on Wiki.

"Trump was eligible for the draft lottery during the Vietnam War.[33] He was not drafted due to four student deferments (2-S) while attending college, as well as a medical deferment (1-Y, later converted to 4-F) obtained in 1968 after his college graduation, prior to the lottery being initiated.[34] Trump was deemed fit for service after a military medical examination in 1966 and was briefly classified as 1-A by a local draft board shortly before his 1968 medical disqualification.[35] Trump attributed his medical deferment to "heel spurs" in both feet, according to a 2015 biographer,[28] but told an Iowa campaign audience he suffered from a spur in one foot, although he could not remember which one.[35] "I actually got lucky because I had a very high draft number", he told WNYW in 2011.[36] Selective Service records retrieved by The Smoking Gun website from the National Archives show that, Trump did eventually receive a high selective service lottery number in 1969."

Doesn't say he was a draft doger.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 09, 2016, 03:33:01 PM

I well remember the day when the Vietcong invaded America.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 09, 2016, 05:35:28 PM

My Draft number was 80. I volunteered and served six years on Nuclear Submarines defending the USA from Nuclear attack from the sea.

I am a Patriot.

I volunteered for Mr. Trump in NH and saw him at two events and I know Mr. Trump is a patriot who wants to rebuild the USA, rebuild our industry, our military and our infrastructure as well as rebuild our economy and the American Way of Life. He has enough FU money to set up his legacy for generations and no one can buy him off.

I and about 25 Million Patriot brothers will defend him and his mission with our lives - armed of course. Watch Cleveland closely during the GOP convention, George Soros, the CFR, Trilateralists, Bilderbergers, Crown Rothschilds and Anti-American Romney Kasich Rubio Cult Globalists will NOT be allowed to hijack the USA away from the will of the People.

The time to be counted like our founding fathers is now and you must decide if you stand with the USA Patriots or the Globalist Traitors.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on April 09, 2016, 06:05:23 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 09, 2016, 05:35:28 PM

defending the USA from Nuclear attack from the sea.

A non existent threat from a non existent enemy. :rolleye0009:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 09, 2016, 06:35:37 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 09, 2016, 06:05:23 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 09, 2016, 05:35:28 PM
defending the USA from Nuclear attack from the sea.

A non existent threat from a non existent enemy. :rolleye0009:

I seem to recall a certain leader of the Supreme Soviet telling the world in New York City that Russia was going to bury America. Sounds like a threat to me. Certainly was not an invitation for tea and crumpets was it dear?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 09, 2016, 06:39:04 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 09, 2016, 06:05:23 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 09, 2016, 05:35:28 PM
defending the USA from Nuclear attack from the sea.

A non existent threat from a non existent enemy. :rolleye0009:

I doubt Cufflinks was that far up in the chain of command that he was choosing the targets and dictating strategy.

Nuke Sub is a tough job, deserves respect. Would you respect him more if his sub had fried Vladivostok?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 09, 2016, 07:18:48 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 09, 2016, 02:14:09 PM

^ The story of Trump's "military service" is on Wiki.

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 09, 2016, 07:20:50 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 09, 2016, 06:05:23 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 09, 2016, 05:35:28 PM
defending the USA from Nuclear attack from the sea.

A non existent threat from a non existent enemy. :rolleye0009:

Start another thread, PLEASE.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 09, 2016, 08:06:38 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 09, 2016, 06:05:23 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 09, 2016, 05:35:28 PM
defending the USA from Nuclear attack from the sea.

A non existent threat from a non existent enemy. :rolleye0009:

From a clueless arrogant Anti-American sot who never served you have your head up your ass it was at a time where both the USA and our adversaries were on a nuclear hair trigger - you are actually lucky to be alive and what are you and your countrymen and continental allies doing with that special gift - handing it over to radicalized enemies of all European culture... you all deserve to reap what you are now sewing. Good luck with that.

Fortunately, there is an entire ocean protecting us from your mass lunacy and our 2nd amendment to protect us from the few infected vectors that may drift our way.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 10, 2016, 08:34:16 AM

Quote from: yankee on April 09, 2016, 02:19:55 PM

Doesn't say he was a draft doger.

... doesn't say he's a patriot, either. American racists equate racism with patriotism, though.

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/272344-jon-voight-endorses-trump-hes-a-patriot

The silver lining in this election cycle is that the racists (and the misogynists) are lining up to be counted because the festering boils believe that this is their moment in the sun and that they are now fashionable.

He's another Trump endorsement from another festering boil:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/21/duck-dynastys-willie-robertson-endorses-donald-trump-a-real-leader/

Then, of course, there is David Duke's endorsement of Trump...

Being white is more important to many of Trump's supporters than being intelligent, educated or open-minded.

For a good laugh, read the asinine comments on this link:

https://www.facebook.com/tednugent/posts/10153366644292297

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 10, 2016, 09:14:36 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 10, 2016, 08:34:16 AM

Quote from: yankee on April 09, 2016, 02:19:55 PM
Doesn't say he was a draft doger.

... doesn't say he's a patriot, either. American racists equate racism with patriotism, though.

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/272344-jon-voight-endorses-trump-hes-a-patriot

The silver lining in this election cycle is that the racists (and the misogynists) are lining up to be counted because the festering boils believe that this is their moment in the sun and that they are now fashionable.

He's another Trump endorsement from another festering boil:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/21/duck-dynastys-willie-robertson-endorses-donald-trump-a-real-leader/

Then, of course, there is David Duke's endorsement of Trump...

Being white is more important to many of Trump's supporters than being intelligent, educated or open-minded.

For a good laugh, read the asinine comments on this link:

https://www.facebook.com/tednugent/posts/10153366644292297

For a guy who prides himself on being intelligent, you're making quite a few spelling mistakes lately.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 10, 2016, 09:49:17 AM

Bwhahahahahahahahahaha

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/04/03/snl-satire-portrays-trump-chanting-women-suck-punching-his-own-supporter/82581460/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 10, 2016, 10:16:54 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 10, 2016, 08:34:16 AM

Quote from: yankee on April 09, 2016, 02:19:55 PM
Doesn't say he was a draft doger.

... doesn't say he's a patriot, either. American racists equate racism with patriotism, though.

I don't recall such acrimony over Black Americans (who are truly the low-info voters in USA) voting en masse and en bloc for Obama. Perhaps I missed that post from you.

While Trotsky didn't invent the word "racist" it is fair to say that he was a popularizer of the term. So you are in good company I suppose.

Just curious, having been through CT , both the nice parts and the bad parts: what percentage "White" is the area you live in?

Such demographic info can usually be looked up online.

I wonder if you aren't like a lot of anti-white commentators, who are all too happy to spout their theories from a safe enclave which is more than 85% White.

Tell me, if Jews go for Bernie Sanders disproportionately, are they also racists?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 10, 2016, 10:28:02 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 10, 2016, 10:16:54 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 10, 2016, 08:34:16 AM
Quote from: yankee on April 09, 2016, 02:19:55 PM
Doesn't say he was a draft doger.

... doesn't say he's a patriot, either. American racists equate racism with patriotism, though.

I don't recall such acrimony over Black Americans (who are truly the low-info voters in USA) voting en masse and en bloc for Obama. Perhaps I missed that post from you.

While Trotsky didn't invent the word "racist" it is fair to say that he was a popularizer of the term. So you are in good company I suppose.

Just curious, having been through CT , both the nice parts and the bad parts: what percentage "White" is the area you live in?

Such demographic info can usually be looked up online.

I wonder if you aren't like a lot of anti-white commentators, who are all too happy to spout their theories from a safe enclave which is more than 85% White.

Tell me, if Jews go for Bernie Sanders disproportionately, are they also racists?

Where would you expect a troll to live? Trolland. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 10, 2016, 10:28:51 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 10, 2016, 09:49:17 AM

Bwhahahahahahahahahaha

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/04/03/snl-satire-portrays-trump-chanting-women-suck-punching-his-own-supporter/82581460/

Haven't you heard? There's no such thing as bad publicity! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 10, 2016, 10:52:33 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 10, 2016, 08:34:16 AM

(hate speech about white people deleted)

Is this the makeup of the town or city where you live, TomT?

93% White, 2% Asian (meaning East Asian in the USA, like Chinese, Japanese, Korean)

(I have scrubbed any data that might reveal the name of the town/city)

(http://i.imgur.com/gMcySYs.jpg)

Why not move to Bridgeport and get the benefit of the "diversity" that the Whites you look down your nose at, have had to deal with all this time?

You and the rest of your fellow-travelers sit safely ensconced in your all-White communities, read Sojourners Magazine and think you know best.

Take your poncey rhetoric and ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 10, 2016, 11:19:36 AM

I am seeing a new business opportunity when Mr. Trump is inaugurated as president of the USA...

Facilitating liberal hippy Berner relocations to farms and villages in Kaluga, Russia or Astana, Kstan, the Argentine, etc.

Of course, these will have to be full-service relos as the T2 Liberal Globalists will be so terribly triggered and traumatized they will be stumbling around like zombies using their Feel the Bern t-shirts to sop up all of their tears.

Will be boon times for Psychologists, Psychiatrists, and Therapists specializing in microaggressions and triggerings syndrome and safe spaces recovery.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on April 10, 2016, 02:19:38 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 09, 2016, 08:06:38 PM

From a clueless arrogant Anti-American sot who never served you have your head up your ass it was at a time where both the USA and our adversaries were on a nuclear hair trigger - you are actually lucky to be alive and what are you and your countrymen and continental allies doing with that special gift - handing it over to radicalized enemies of all European culture... you all deserve to reap what you are now sewing. Good luck with that.

Fortunately, there is an entire ocean protecting us from your mass lunacy and our 2nd amendment to protect us from the few infected vectors that may drift our way.

Reap what you sew indeed. I'm glad you and your fellow patriots are aware of the fallback, from pissing off the global community in the name of yanky freedom & democracy!

p.s - Wasn't it you, 3 hours earlier who posted this, which kinda dilutes your little rant on this thread?

Quote from: cufflinks on April 09, 2016, 05:12:14 PM

Looks like you Euros have exported your colonial headaches to the USA now too... FBI reports ISIS cells in all 50 USA states:

http://www.americanpatriotdaily.com/latest/map-reveals-location-of-jihadist-training-camps-in-america-does-one-exist-in-your-state/

According to reports, at least 22 training camps have been made known to the public, with 19 of the camps created as early as 2012.

The training camps are owned by Jumaat ul-Fuqra, and linked to the Muslims of America (MOA) , a Muslim Brotherhood and al-Qaeda-related branch in Pakistan.

The Clarion Project released pertinent documentation obtained from the FBI that describes the MOA’s operation in Texas:

The organization says it has a network of 22 “villages” around the U.S., with Islamberg as its main headquarters in New York. The Clarion Project obtained secret MOA footage showing female members receiving paramilitary training at Islamberg. It was featured on the Kelly File on Fox News Channel in October. A second MOA tape released by Clarion shows its spokesman declaring the U.S. to be a Muslim-majority country.

A 2007 FBI record states that MOA members have been involved in at least ten murders, one disappearance, three firebombings, one attempted firebombing, two explosive bombings and one attempted bombing. It states:

The documented propensity for violence by this organization supports the belief the leadership of the MOA extols membership to pursue a policy of jihad, or holy war, against individuals or groups it considers enemies of Islam, which includes the U.S. Government. Members of the MOA are encouraged to travel to Pakistan to receive religious and military/terrorist training from Sheikh Gilani.

The document also says that, “The MOA is now an autonomous organization, which possesses an infrastructure capable of planning and mounting terrorist campaigns overseas and within the U.S.”

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 10, 2016, 03:01:58 PM

^ Spoken like a true daft pro immigrants cultural diversity Crown Subject whining about how anything and everything bad in Europa is because of the Americans or Yanks doing or not doing something - while all you lot do is watch the telly and wank off whining and alternately wringing your hands.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 10, 2016, 03:58:50 PM

Damn Yankee's! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on April 10, 2016, 04:43:45 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 10, 2016, 03:01:58 PM

^ Spoken like a true daft pro immigrants cultural diversity Crown Subject whining about how anything and everything bad in Europa is because of the Americans or Yanks doing or not doing something - while all you lot do is watch the telly and wank off whining and alternately wringing your hands.

Yip that sounds about right - I'm a real pro mass immigration man me!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 10, 2016, 05:32:27 PM

Cruz is outright stealing the delegates in Colorado and Louisiana. Dismissing Trump delegates, taking their places off the ballots and counting Cruz delegates twice. Disgusting! There is no democratic process.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/disgusting-colorado-trump-delegate-scratched-list-gop-convention-cruzers-take-delegates/

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-11%20at%203.43.38%20AM_zpszophj0ga.png)

Trump delegate 379 taken off ballot and Cruz delegate 378 listed twice.

So Anteros, if Trump loses because of this obvious cheating I declare you owe Shakespear NOTHING.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on April 10, 2016, 06:49:24 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 09, 2016, 06:05:23 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 09, 2016, 05:35:28 PM
defending the USA from Nuclear attack from the sea.

A non existent threat from a non existent enemy. :rolleye0009:

Even your avatar shows Russia as a threat. !

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 10, 2016, 07:30:17 PM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 10, 2016, 07:35:12 PM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 10, 2016, 07:58:30 PM

Kornacki Lays Out Delegate Math: Pathway Still Exists For Trump To Get 1,237

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/08/kornacki_lays_out_delegate_math_pathway_still_exists_for_trump_to_get_1237_absolutely_possible.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 10, 2016, 08:12:16 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 10, 2016, 10:52:33 AM

Is this the makeup of the town or city where you live, TomT?

93% White, 2% Asian (meaning East Asian in the USA, like Chinese, Japanese, Korean)

(I have scrubbed any data that might reveal the name of the town/city)

(http://i.imgur.com/gMcySYs.jpg)

Why not move to Bridgeport and get the benefit of the "diversity" that the Whites you look down your nose at, have had to deal with all this time?

You and the rest of your fellow-travelers sit safely ensconced in your all-White communities, read Sojourners Magazine and think you know best.

Take your poncey rhetoric and ...

You haven't written anything to refute my claim that American racists equate racism with patriotism.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on April 10, 2016, 08:37:06 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 10, 2016, 08:12:16 PM

You haven't written anything to refute my claim that American racists equate racism with patriotism.

Yea we also have European patriots who do not want any Ukrainians in Europe. Hell they do not even normally become suicide bombers. How is that any different? Why do you always find some anti American logic. Of course, there are many kinds of people that call themselves patriots and not all of them are raciest. Just another one of your narrow minded comments that show your real inability to think.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 10, 2016, 09:15:05 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 10, 2016, 08:37:06 PM

... Of course, there are many kinds of people that call themselves patriots and not all of them are raciest.

I was writing about American racists, Cletus, not "many kinds of people."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 10, 2016, 09:16:30 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 10, 2016, 08:37:06 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 10, 2016, 08:12:16 PM

You haven't written anything to refute my claim that American racists equate racism with patriotism.

Yea we also have European patriots who do not want any Ukrainians in Europe. Hell they do not even normally become suicide bombers. How is that any different? Why do you always find some anti American logic. Of course, there are many kinds of people that call themselves patriots and not all of them are racest. Just another one of your narrow minded comments that show your real inability to think.

Give the poor fellow a break. He's got a rare form of OCD which causes him to hate his own race and it seems that it's becoming contagious. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 10, 2016, 09:22:50 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 10, 2016, 08:12:16 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 10, 2016, 10:52:33 AM
Is this the makeup of the town or city where you live, TomT?

93% White, 2% Asian (meaning East Asian in the USA, like Chinese, Japanese, Korean)

Why not move to Bridgeport and get the benefit of the "diversity" that the Whites you look down your nose at, have had to deal with all this time?

You and the rest of your fellow-travelers sit safely ensconced in your all-White communities, read Sojourners Magazine and think you know best.

Take your poncey rhetoric and ...

You haven't written anything to refute my claim that American racists equate racism with patriotism.

That's your claim. In fact Trump employs thousands of Hispanics and other minorities. Omarosa, a black woman supports Trump, as do many women and Hispanics. Many of the volunteers who work for the Trump campaign in Florida are minorities.

Like all liberals, you equate somebody who believes in rule of law with a racist. This is your cognitive failure, not ours.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 10, 2016, 09:27:11 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 10, 2016, 09:16:30 PM

Give the poor fellow a break. He's got a rare form of OCD which causes him to hate his own race and it seems that it's becoming contagious.

Give poor Cletus a break; he has no idea what you meant by that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 10, 2016, 09:33:44 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 10, 2016, 09:27:11 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 10, 2016, 09:16:30 PM
Give the poor fellow a break. He's got a rare form of OCD which causes him to hate his own race and it seems that it's becoming contagious.

Give poor Cletus a break; he has no idea what you meant by that.

Did you know that Kleitos was the name of one of Alexander the Great's Generals? Of course you probably meant the cartoon character, or maybe the southern hillbilly version. :laugh:

The spelling varies, however the Cleitus back then was a hero of historic stature.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleitus_the_Black

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on April 10, 2016, 11:43:04 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 10, 2016, 09:22:50 PM

Trump employs thousands of Hispanics and other minorities.

I imagine Trump Tower has a lot of floors to clean and a lot of trash to take out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 10, 2016, 11:48:06 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 10, 2016, 11:43:04 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 10, 2016, 09:22:50 PM
Trump employs thousands of Hispanics and other minorities.

I imagine Trump Tower has a lot of floors to clean and a lot of trash to take out.

It probably does, however many people who work for Trump are construction workers and foremen, and they make a very good living. Trump was also one of the first developers to hire a woman as a project manager for a large building, before it was popular to promote women.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 12:27:54 AM

And in a recently uncovered interview with Howard Stern, Trump says he probably could have "nailed" Princess Diana. :laugh:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/other/old-interviews-reveal-trump-believed-he-had-a-chance-with-princess-diana/vi-BBq1MoX

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 11, 2016, 01:34:24 AM

And why might that not be the case? No need to be jealous Ant.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 11, 2016, 01:40:54 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 10, 2016, 07:30:17 PM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 11, 2016, 01:46:36 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 10, 2016, 07:35:12 PM

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You guys should stop being distracted by name calling from TomT and start discussing the bold faced in your face election theft going on.

I remember during the last election cycle 4 years ago I suggested that election fraud with rigged voting machines was going on. Shakespear laughed at me and said I was a "conspiracy theorist." Well now we know with Snowdon and Assange revelations that anything is possible. Rigging some voting machines is not even necessary if the above goes on and nobody but a few sees this for what it is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 08:12:07 AM

Maxx -

I'm been telling you this was happening for the past 2 months yet everyone thought I was crazy.

You should be mad at your candidate who's hubris, ignorance and overconfidence gave him the false impression that all he needed to do to become President was win primary voters.

He's painfully now finding out that this is not the case.

Maybe you people will understand that I know what I'm talking about here. . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on April 11, 2016, 08:32:35 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 08:12:07 AM

Maxx -

I'm been telling you this was happening for the past 2 months yet everyone thought I was crazy.

You should be mad at your candidate who's hubris, ignorance and overconfidence gave him the false impression that all he needed to do to become President was win primary voters.

He's painfully now finding out that this is not the case.

Maybe you people will understand that I know what I'm talking about here. . . . . . . . . . .

You have to know what would be interesting here is if Bernie and Trump both ran as independents. Help do away with the ignorance and overconfidence the major parties have.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 11, 2016, 08:43:19 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 11, 2016, 08:32:35 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 08:12:07 AM
Maxx -

I'm been telling you this was happening for the past 2 months yet everyone thought I was crazy.

You should be mad at your candidate who's hubris, ignorance and overconfidence gave him the false impression that all he needed to do to become President was win primary voters.

He's painfully now finding out that this is not the case.

Maybe you people will understand that I know what I'm talking about here. . . . . . . . . . .

You have to know what would be interesting here is if Bernie and Trump both ran as independents. Help do away with the ignorance and overconfidence the major parties have.

But that course has been rigged as well by the two-party monopoly.

I hear your point Shakespear. Trump thought he could run campaign in a fair and square manner. Now he's finding out winning the primary vote doesn't get the delegates. It's the backroom dealing that does.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 11, 2016, 10:11:34 AM

The system may be flawed, but in reality Trump has received maybe more delegates than numbers support.

Despite Complaints, Delegate System Has Given Trump a 22 Percent Bonus

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/despite-complaints-delegate-system-has-given-trump-22-percent-bonus-n553801

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 11, 2016, 10:21:45 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 08:12:07 AM

Maxx -

I'm been telling you this was happening for the past 2 months yet everyone thought I was crazy.

You should be mad at your candidate who's hubris, ignorance and overconfidence gave him the false impression that all he needed to do to become President was win primary voters.

He's painfully now finding out that this is not the case.

Maybe you people will understand that I know what I'm talking about here. . . . . . . . . . .

How dare any candidate not read up on Section 4, subsection 3, part b(vii) of our arcane bylaws!

Obviously he thought meeting with and appealing to voters was more important than making shadowy deals in smoky backrooms with oligarch-donors and anointed catamite insiders, and has made the fatal beginner's mistake of not hiring enough slimy GOP toadies and bootlickers!

There he is, talking to voters, again! The candidate has some kind of pie-in-the-sky idea about how it matters to the GOP: get real, we don't need any voters until November 2016!

Silly, silly man; he is obviously thoroughly unsuited. For anything. I daresay I wouldn't appoint this billionaire dogcatcher! < fey laugh >

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on April 11, 2016, 10:44:23 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 11, 2016, 10:21:45 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 08:12:07 AM
Maxx -

I'm been telling you this was happening for the past 2 months yet everyone thought I was crazy.

You should be mad at your candidate who's hubris, ignorance and overconfidence gave him the false impression that all he needed to do to become President was win primary voters.

He's painfully now finding out that this is not the case.

Maybe you people will understand that I know what I'm talking about here. . . . . . . . . . .

How dare any candidate not read up on Section 4, subsection 3, part b(vii) of our arcane bylaws!

Obviously he thought meeting with and appealing to voters was more important than making shadowy deals in smoky backrooms with oligarch-donors and anointed catamite insiders, and has made the fatal beginner's mistake of not hiring enough slimy GOP toadies and bootlickers!

There he is, talking to voters, again! The candidate has some kind of pie-in-the-sky idea about how it matters to the GOP: get real, we don't need any voters until November 2016!

Silly, silly man; he is obviously thoroughly unsuited. For anything. I daresay I wouldn't appoint this billionaire dogcatcher! < fey laugh >

Not that much different than Russia? or maybe Russia is a bit more democratic?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 12:10:33 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 11, 2016, 10:21:45 AM

How dare any candidate not read up on Section 4, subsection 3, part b(vii) of our arcane bylaws!
Obviously he thought meeting with and appealing to voters was more important than making shadowy deals in smoky backrooms with oligarch-donors and anointed catamite insiders, and has made the fatal beginner's mistake of not hiring enough slimy GOP toadies and bootlickers!

There he is, talking to voters, again! The candidate has some kind of pie-in-the-sky idea about how it matters to the GOP: get real, we don't need any voters until November 2016!

Silly, silly man; he is obviously thoroughly unsuited. For anything. I daresay I wouldn't appoint this billionaire dogcatcher! < fey laugh >

Whining about the way it is like the Trump campaign isn't going to win you any more support.

He only "appealed" to less than 40% of the voters. 60% did not choose him.

He's obviously unsuited because he doesn't "work and play well with others".

Approximately 450 of his 750 current delegates are "party people" appointed at their state conventions because he was too conceited and stupid to understand how the game is played. They will jump ship and support the "party person" as quickly as their state laws permit. That is why if he doesn't get to 1237 on the first ballot, he won't win the nomination.

Trump finally hired a guy that is good and has the necessary skills to manage Trumps Convention activities. 90% chance it is too little to late. 10% he can pull off the miracle.

I've been telling you all along how the game is played. If I'm smart enough to figure it out you'd think the brilliant businessman Trump could figure it out as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 11, 2016, 12:29:44 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 12:10:33 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 11, 2016, 10:21:45 AM
How dare any candidate not read up on Section 4, subsection 3, part b(vii) of our arcane bylaws!
Obviously he thought meeting with and appealing to voters was more important than making shadowy deals in smoky backrooms with oligarch-donors and anointed catamite insiders, and has made the fatal beginner's mistake of not hiring enough slimy GOP toadies and bootlickers!

There he is, talking to voters, again! The candidate has some kind of pie-in-the-sky idea about how it matters to the GOP: get real, we don't need any voters until November 2016!

Silly, silly man; he is obviously thoroughly unsuited. For anything. I daresay I wouldn't appoint this billionaire dogcatcher! < fey laugh >

Whining about the way it is like the Trump campaign isn't going to win you any more support.

He only "appealed" to less than 40% of the voters. 60% did not choose him.

He's obviously unsuited because he doesn't "work and play well with others".

Approximately 450 of his 750 current delegates are "party people" appointed at their state conventions because he was too conceited and stupid to understand how the game is played. They will jump ship and support the "party person" as quickly as their state laws permit. That is why if he doesn't get to 1237 on the first ballot, he won't win the nomination.

Trump finally hired a guy that is good and has the necessary skills to manage Trumps Convention activities. 90% chance it is too little to late. 10% he can pull off the miracle.

I've been telling you all along how the game is played. If I'm smart enough to figure it out you'd think the brilliant businessman Trump could figure it out as well.

I am not whining, I am trying to get you to understand how it is perceived, outside your GOPe bubble.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 12:54:09 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 11, 2016, 12:29:44 PM

I am not whining, I am trying to get you to understand how it is perceived, outside your GOPe bubble.

Easy.

Majority means majority.

Majority doesn't mean plurality.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 11, 2016, 01:03:07 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/trump-s-new-right-hand-man-accuses-cruz-campaign-gestapo-n553721

Trump's New Right-Hand Man Accuses Cruz Campaign of 'Gestapo Tactics'

Cuck Todd on the Nonone But Clintons channel tried to rattle Manafort with multiple loaded questions...

Todd the Toad was breathless at the solid frame of Manafort (Trump Convention Manager) and his Trumpian style refocusing of the interview on Ted Cruz Gestapo Tactics...

Clearly as an experienced GOP Delegate Wrangler this is not Manafort's first time at the GOP Championship rodeo.

His former consulting partner Roger Stone will be leading 5 Million patriots in massive street protests and demonstrations to ensure the Globalist Deep State Establishment Traitors do not try to thwart the will of the people.

Cleveland will make Maidan Square look like a marshmallow roast.

The big steal is underway and we are the resistance! Monitor InfoWars.com for Patriots updates.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 01:23:58 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 11, 2016, 01:03:07 PM

Clearly as an experienced GOP Delegate Wrangler this is not Manafort's first time at the GOP Championship rodeo.

First smart move his campaign has made.

Quote from: cufflinks on April 11, 2016, 01:03:07 PM

His former consulting partner Roger Stone will be leading 5 Million patriots in massive street protests and demonstrations to ensure the Globalist Deep State Establishment Traitors do not try to thwart the will of the people.

The will of 39% of the people might get "thwarted". The will of 61% of the people will carry the day.

Quote from: cufflinks on April 11, 2016, 01:03:07 PM

The big steal is underway and we are the resistance! Monitor InfoWars.com for Patriots updates.

It's been under way since January right under the nose of Trump and his "people". Too much ego and hubris to pay attention.

Interested in following the new story released today that virtually all of the supposed "donations" Trump has made to charity over the years have been non-cash. Mostly free rounds of golf and hotel nights at Trump properties.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on April 11, 2016, 01:28:31 PM

This is an example of what is wrong with all these political correct people who we now have in office. This is about the Iran nuclear deal. It is just like almost all the Obama deals that he has done for the USA. Sold us down the river. But you know he never says anything bad about anybody. http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/story/iran-missile-program-not-up-for-negotiation-with-the-us/vi-BBrA1tI This deal should of never been done, but hey, the Russians seem to want a nuclear Iran with missiles that can blow them up also. If those were NATO missile they would complain to no end. The UK as Manny pointed does not seem to care this is a terrorist state that will soon be nuclear armed with missiles capital of sinking that little island. But hey since Russia likes it can not be a threat.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 11, 2016, 01:51:25 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 01:23:58 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 11, 2016, 01:03:07 PM
Clearly as an experienced GOP Delegate Wrangler this is not Manafort's first time at the GOP Championship rodeo.

First smart move his campaign has made.

Quote from: cufflinks on April 11, 2016, 01:03:07 PM
His former consulting partner Roger Stone will be leading 5 Million patriots in massive street protests and demonstrations to ensure the Globalist Deep State Establishment Traitors do not try to thwart the will of the people.

The will of 39% of the people might get "thwarted". The will of 61% of the people will carry the day.

Quote from: cufflinks on April 11, 2016, 01:03:07 PM
The big steal is underway and we are the resistance! Monitor InfoWars.com for Patriots updates.

It's been under way since January right under the nose of Trump and his "people". Too much ego and hubris to pay attention.

Interested in following the new story released today that virtually all of the supposed "donations" Trump has made to charity over the years have been non-cash. Mostly free rounds of golf and hotel nights at Trump properties.

Very normal for businesses to donate services, products etc to charities. They usually end up in an auction. The charity makes cash and the business puts out less for more. Everybody happy. I would think you know that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 02:04:15 PM

Quote from: bagalia on April 11, 2016, 01:51:25 PM

Very normal for businesses to donate services, products etc to charities. They usually end up in an auction. The charity makes cash and the business puts out less for more. Everybody happy. I would think you know that.

True.

But there is a "perception" difference. Trump made it sound like he got his personal checkbook out and wrote a check for the millions he claimed to have given to charity over the years. In reality, the cash cost of those donations was rather minimal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 11, 2016, 03:19:28 PM

http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/trump-erupts-as-cruz-sweeps-colorado-without-votes/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on April 11, 2016, 03:36:50 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 11, 2016, 03:19:28 PM

http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/trump-erupts-as-cruz-sweeps-colorado-without-votes/

What this shows is that we do have a representitive government. It is the wealthy and powerful that are represented, not the common people.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 04:01:48 PM

Maxx,
A bet is a bet. If Trump loses I will pay what I bet ($10.00) to Shakespear. Just as I expect Shakespear to pay what he agreed to pay to me ($300.00) if Trump is the nominee. No conditions or exclusions were agreed to.

In fact I more or less agree with Shakespear, that due to Trump's ego, he did not pay attention to the rules. Sure it sucks that the party did not come together behind Trump, however he caused some of that, if not most of it. Treating Megyn Kelly poorly -- not a good move. Disrespecting Ted Cruz's wife -- an ever bigger boneheaded move.

Trump has always said that he's a great negotiator. He started his campaign by telling us where he went to University (Wharton's school of Business) and how smart he is. You would think if he was that smart he would have read the rule book, or at least hired somebody to read it for him, earlier in the campaign.

Trump has also told us that he gave large donations to Hillary Clinton and other Democrats, because he was a businessman who needed to "play the game" so that he could "get things done". You would think that he would have also thought about "playing the game" in regards to the rules and how a Presidential candidate gets delegates. Did he really think that once he left the business world and got into politics that he was dealing with a bunch of angelic choir boys? Come on, give me a break. Don't be like crybaby "Wiz" and say the system is rigged. Of course it's rigged. As Trump says, we need smart people. We need killers. So it was on Trump to be the master negotiator and the sharp businessman, who would pay attention to how the game is played.

I still have confidence that Trump can and will get it done. Sure it will be a close call, but if he's a real leader, he's going to stop whining about it and close the deal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 04:09:28 PM

Quote from: yankee on April 11, 2016, 03:36:50 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 11, 2016, 03:19:28 PM
http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/trump-erupts-as-cruz-sweeps-colorado-without-votes/

What this shows is that we do not have a representitive government. It is the wealthy and powerful that are represented, not the common people.

(I inserted the key word which you forgot to include)

I would say that it's a combination of both. It was Trump's responsibility to know the rules and play the game properly, so that the votes of his common people (that includes me) would get our proper representation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 04:42:23 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 04:01:48 PM

Maxx,
A bet is a bet. If Trump loses I will pay what I bet ($10.00) to Shakespear. Just as I expect Shakespear to pay what he agreed to pay to me ($300.00) if Trump is the nominee. No conditions or exclusions were agreed to.

In fact I more or less agree with Shakespear, that due to Trump's ego, he did not pay attention to the rules. Sure it sucks that the party did not come together behind Trump, however he caused some of that, if not most of it. Treating Megyn Kelly poorly -- not a good move. Disrespecting Ted Cruz's wife -- an ever bigger boneheaded move.

Trump has always said that he's a great negotiator. He started his campaign by telling us where he went to University (Wharton's school of Business) and how smart he is. You would think if he was that smart he would have read the rule book, or at least hired somebody to read it for him, earlier in the campaign.

Trump has also told us that he gave large donations to Hillary Clinton and other Democrats, because he was a businessman who needed to "play the game" so that he could "get things done". You would think that he would have also thought about "playing the game" in regards to the rules and how a Presidential candidate gets delegates. Did he really think that once he left the business world and got into politics that he was dealing with a bunch of angelic choir boys? Come on, give me a break. Don't be like crybaby "Wiz" and say the system is rigged. Of course it's rigged. As Trump says, we need smart people. We need killers. So it was on Trump to be the master negotiator and the sharp businessman, who would pay attention to how the game is played.

I still have confidence that Trump can and will get it done. Sure it will be a close call, but if he's a real leader, he's going to stop whining about it and close the deal.

+1

He should have spent less time gloating over his polls and more time reading the rule book.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 05:10:33 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 04:42:23 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 04:01:48 PM
Maxx,
A bet is a bet. If Trump loses I will pay what I bet ($10.00) to Shakespear. Just as I expect Shakespear to pay what he agreed to pay to me ($300.00) if Trump is the nominee. No conditions or exclusions were agreed to.

In fact I more or less agree with Shakespear, that due to Trump's ego, he did not pay attention to the rules. Sure it sucks that the party did not come together behind Trump, however he caused some of that, if not most of it. Treating Megyn Kelly poorly -- not a good move. Disrespecting Ted Cruz's wife -- an ever bigger boneheaded move.

Trump has always said that he's a great negotiator. He started his campaign by telling us where he went to University (Wharton's school of Business) and how smart he is. You would think if he was that smart he would have read the rule book, or at least hired somebody to read it for him, earlier in the campaign.

Trump has also told us that he gave large donations to Hillary Clinton and other Democrats, because he was a businessman who needed to "play the game" so that he could "get things done". You would think that he would have also thought about "playing the game" in regards to the rules and how a Presidential candidate gets delegates. Did he really think that once he left the business world and got into politics that he was dealing with a bunch of angelic choir boys? Come on, give me a break. Don't be like crybaby "Wiz" and say the system is rigged. Of course it's rigged. As Trump says, we need smart people. We need killers. So it was on Trump to be the master negotiator and the sharp businessman, who would pay attention to how the game is played.

I still have confidence that Trump can and will get it done. Sure it will be a close call, but if he's a real leader, he's going to stop whining about it and close the deal.

+1

He should have spent less time gloating over his polls and more time reading the rule book.

Agreed. There's going to be a big rally in Albany, New York this shortly this evening. No doubt Trump is going to engage in some whining about Colorado. Mostly what happened in CO as far as I can tell is his own fault. He does this whining to play to his crowd. I want him to stop playing games, take a look in the mirror and take responsibility for his own actions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 11, 2016, 08:22:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 04:42:23 PM

He should have spent less time gloating over his polls and more time reading the rule book.

You are gloating over people in Colorado being disenfranchised?

If you are so confident for Cruz or Kasich, why not let people vote?

Why not just let the GOP Politburo (word you maybe have heard of) choose the candidate directly?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 11, 2016, 08:28:08 PM

I hate the word 'whining.' It is used to shut down the argument that injustice or unfairness is happening.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 11, 2016, 08:29:53 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 11, 2016, 08:22:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 04:42:23 PM
He should have spent less time gloating over his polls and more time reading the rule book.

You are gloating over people in Colorado being disenfranchised?

If you are so confident for Cruz or Kasich, why not let people vote?

Why not just let the GOP Politburo (word you maybe have heard of) choose the candidate directly?

You're whining Slumba. We have to accept things the way they are.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 11, 2016, 08:42:29 PM

Pretty much sums it up:

"The GOP establishment sees themselves as part of the “specialized class” responsible for making political decisions because they believe the public’s “too stupid” to make decisions for themselves.

This “spectator democracy,” first described by political insider Walter Lippmann in the 1920s, reduces voters into mere spectators – not participants – in public policy managed by a tiny elite, in this case the GOP establishment.

“The compelling moral principle [behind it] is that the mass of the public are just too stupid to be able to understand things,” Noam Chomsky wrote in describing Lippmann’s views.

This is the core principle of the GOP establishment: to them, only the elite have the intellect and rationality to decide the public’s best interests.

The public at large, on the other hand, cannot manage their own affairs and therefore must be lead like cattle towards the future world envisioned by those in control.

Not considered the decision-makers, the American people are meant to be mere bystanders in society, only participating on occasion during political “elections” to decide which one of the elites will “represent” them, such as Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz.

Populist candidates like Donald Trump are not allowed because they’re not compromised and controlled by the establishment.

The mainstream media serves the elite by fueling racial tensions, such as using straw man arguments to declare Trump “racist,” which encourages in-fighting amongst the public while the establishment gains more power without adversity.

And the media and the elite both want to keep the public locked into the false left-right paradigm which oversimplifies the public’s perception of the world so that they falsely believe that everything is simply black and white, one extreme against the other, conservative vs. liberal, red vs. blue.

While stuck in the paradigm, people are led to believe their opponents only exist on the opposite side of this two-dimensional spectrum and are completely unaware of the real power towering above.

But during this presidential race, Trump has successfully exposed the real power behind the throne – and that’s why the establishment wants to stop him."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 11:04:50 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 11, 2016, 08:28:08 PM

I hate the word 'whining.' It is used to shut down the argument that injustice or unfairness is happening.

Okay, sorry. I don't like what the "elites" are doing and already did either. However Mr. Trump has the money and he claims he has the intelligence. Consequently it is his responsibility to run a winning candidacy. This clearly also means learning the rules and learning the ins and outs of the system.

The USA is not a Democracy. That's always been a mistake that people make, in believing that it is. The USA is a Federal Republic. Look it up if you wish. Part of this is the fact that the way somebody gets elected, is a rather complicated and complex system.

Quite frankly I would prefer if there were qualifications needed in order to vote. Such as a minimum IQ and the ability to pass certain tests. This would preclude many Democrats and minorities and women from voting. Can you dig it? It most definitely would preclude non-citizens from voting.

Now since all of that is considered discrimination, possible racism and sexism, what is done instead is the system which is done. Let the plebes think they have a vote, when in fact there's an intricate system involved. Capiche?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 11:09:47 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 11, 2016, 08:42:29 PM

Pretty much sums it up:

"The GOP establishment sees themselves as part of the “specialized class” responsible for making political decisions because they believe the public’s “too stupid” to make decisions for themselves.

This “spectator democracy,” first described by political insider Walter Lippmann in the 1920s, reduces voters into mere spectators – not participants – in public policy managed by a tiny elite, in this case the GOP establishment.

“The compelling moral principle [behind it] is that the mass of the public are just too stupid to be able to understand things,” Noam Chomsky wrote in describing Lippmann’s views.

This is the core principle of the GOP establishment: to them, only the elite have the intellect and rationality to decide the public’s best interests.

The public at large, on the other hand, cannot manage their own affairs and therefore must be lead like cattle towards the future world envisioned by those in control.

Not considered the decision-makers, the American people are meant to be mere bystanders in society, only participating on occasion during political “elections” to decide which one of the elites will “represent” them, such as Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz.

Populist candidates like Donald Trump are not allowed because they’re not compromised and controlled by the establishment.

The mainstream media serves the elite by fueling racial tensions, such as using straw man arguments to declare Trump “racist,” which encourages in-fighting amongst the public while the establishment gains more power without adversity.

And the media and the elite both want to keep the public locked into the false left-right paradigm which oversimplifies the public’s perception of the world so that they falsely believe that everything is simply black and white, one extreme against the other, conservative vs. liberal, red vs. blue.

While stuck in the paradigm, people are led to believe their opponents only exist on the opposite side of this two-dimensional spectrum and are completely unaware of the real power towering above.

But during this presidential race, Trump has successfully exposed the real power behind the throne – and that’s why the establishment wants to stop him."

This is a clever theory, but it's divisive. Since Trump has the money, he could have easily hired Mr. Manafort back in November after the rules came out. Sure they don't want Trump, but maybe it's because there are some legitimate fears that he's not qualified. He claims he could deal with China and Japan, but he can't deal with some tricky convention rules in Colorado? Wait. Full stop. If he could deal with one, he could deal with the other.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 11:15:15 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 11, 2016, 08:22:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 04:42:23 PM
He should have spent less time gloating over his polls and more time reading the rule book.

You are gloating over people in Colorado being disenfranchised?

If you are so confident for Cruz or Kasich, why not let people vote?

Why not just let the GOP Politburo (word you maybe have heard of) choose the candidate directly?

As I just wrote to Maxx, the USA is not a democracy. It's a Federal Republic. Our election system is the ultimate proof of this.

Who said that democracy is the weakest form of government? Considering that the plebes would elect Bernie Sanders, a full on communist, if they could, perhaps we should be happy with our system. Soon enough the Democrats will allow enough undocumented voters, and we're all screwed. That is if the delegates always vote with the majority.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 12, 2016, 12:06:29 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 11:15:15 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 11, 2016, 08:22:32 PM
Quote from: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 04:42:23 PM
He should have spent less time gloating over his polls and more time reading the rule book.

You are gloating over people in Colorado being disenfranchised?

If you are so confident for Cruz or Kasich, why not let people vote?

Why not just let the GOP Politburo (word you maybe have heard of) choose the candidate directly?

As I just wrote to Maxx, the USA is not a democracy. It's a Federal Republic. Our election system is the ultimate proof of this.

Who said that democracy is the weakest form of government? Considering that the plebes would elect Bernie Sanders, a full on communist, if they could, perhaps we should be happy with our system. Soon enough the Democrats will allow enough undocumented voters, and we're all screwed. That is if the delegates always vote with the majority.

I think you need to read more about what happened in the Colorado Republican primary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 12, 2016, 12:19:50 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 11:04:50 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 11, 2016, 08:28:08 PM

I hate the word 'whining.' It is used to shut down the argument that injustice or unfairness is happening.

Okay, sorry. I don't like what the "elites" are doing and already did either. However Mr. Trump has the money and he claims he has the intelligence. Consequently it is his responsibility to run a winning candidacy. This clearly also means learning the rules and learning the ins and outs of the system.

The USA is not a Democracy. That's always been a mistake that people make, in believing that it is. The USA is a Federal Republic. Look it up if you wish. Part of this is the fact that the way somebody gets elected, is a rather complicated and complex system.

Quite frankly I would prefer if there were qualifications needed in order to vote. Such as a minimum IQ and the ability to pass certain tests. This would preclude many Democrats and minorities and women from voting. Can you dig it? It most definitely would preclude non-citizens from voting.

Now since all of that is considered discrimination, possible racism and sexism, what is done instead is the system which is done. Let the plebes think they have a vote, when in fact there's an intricate system involved. Capiche?

Anteros, if someone politely disagrees with you, you take it up a notch and get nasty.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on April 12, 2016, 12:41:34 AM

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/180E0/production/_89182589_hi032414315.jpg)

Trump will be two votes down in NY..

Eric and Ivanka Trump missed the deadline to register to vote.. How organised ...

Never mind, if Dad wins - Gawd forbid - water-boarding will be back - and the CIA will no doubt be seeking a new chief - as he'll refuse the order- even if from the President

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/04/11/donald-trump-cia-director-ridiculous-waterboarding/82889190/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/04/11/donald-trump-cia-director-ridiculous-waterboarding/82889190/)

The circus continues

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 01:00:50 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 12, 2016, 12:19:50 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: Maxx on April 11, 2016, 08:28:08 PM

I hate the word 'whining.' It is used to shut down the argument that injustice or unfairness is happening.

Okay, sorry. I don't like what the "elites" are doing and already did either. However Mr. Trump has the money and he claims he has the intelligence. Consequently it is his responsibility to run a winning candidacy. This clearly also means learning the rules and learning the ins and outs of the system.

The USA is not a Democracy. That's always been a mistake that people make, in believing that it is. The USA is a Federal Republic. Look it up if you wish. Part of this is the fact that the way somebody gets elected, is a rather complicated and complex system.

Quite frankly I would prefer if there were qualifications needed in order to vote. Such as a minimum IQ and the ability to pass certain tests. This would preclude many Democrats and minorities and women from voting. Can you dig it? It most definitely would preclude non-citizens from voting.

Now since all of that is considered discrimination, possible racism and sexism, what is done instead is the system which is done. Let the plebes think they have a vote, when in fact there's an intricate system involved. Capiche?

Anteros, if someone politely disagrees with you, you take it up a notch and get nasty.

I don't get that. What did I write that you think was nasty?

I think you entirely misunderstood what I wrote here because I had no intention at all at getting nasty. However it's important IMO to try to understand what's going on.

I am just as disappointed as you are that the "establishment" wants to deny Trump the nomination. However it was Trump's responsibility to read the book he was apparently given back in October 2015, or at the very least to hire somebody like Manafort to understand it for him.

Now I agree there is absolutely corruption in the political system and I agree when you said both sides are fine with Hillary because they don't care about us -- they only care about themselves. I'm saying I want Trump to care about me and you, but in order to do that he's got to work the system, as the system is. Not as you or I or he wishes it was.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 01:04:30 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 12, 2016, 12:06:29 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 11:15:15 PM
Quote from: Slumba on April 11, 2016, 08:22:32 PM
Quote from: shakespear on April 11, 2016, 04:42:23 PM
He should have spent less time gloating over his polls and more time reading the rule book.

You are gloating over people in Colorado being disenfranchised?

If you are so confident for Cruz or Kasich, why not let people vote?

Why not just let the GOP Politburo (word you maybe have heard of) choose the candidate directly?

As I just wrote to Maxx, the USA is not a democracy. It's a Federal Republic. Our election system is the ultimate proof of this.

Who said that democracy is the weakest form of government? Considering that the plebes would elect Bernie Sanders, a full on communist, if they could, perhaps we should be happy with our system. Soon enough the Democrats will allow enough undocumented voters, and we're all screwed. That is if the delegates always vote with the majority.

I think you need to read more about what happened in the Colorado Republican primary.

Thank you and I agree. I did see an interview with Mr. Manafort and he seemed to be saying that what happened was because Trump was late to getting prepared for this phase of the competition. I will try to read some more about that particular event. Bottom line I'm hearing so far is that Cruz knows the system and was prepared, and Trump was not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 12, 2016, 02:19:26 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 01:00:50 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 12, 2016, 12:19:50 AM
Quote from: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: Maxx on April 11, 2016, 08:28:08 PM

I hate the word 'whining.' It is used to shut down the argument that injustice or unfairness is happening.

Okay, sorry. I don't like what the "elites" are doing and already did either. However Mr. Trump has the money and he claims he has the intelligence. Consequently it is his responsibility to run a winning candidacy. This clearly also means learning the rules and learning the ins and outs of the system.

The USA is not a Democracy. That's always been a mistake that people make, in believing that it is. The USA is a Federal Republic. Look it up if you wish. Part of this is the fact that the way somebody gets elected, is a rather complicated and complex system.

Quite frankly I would prefer if there were qualifications needed in order to vote. Such as a minimum IQ and the ability to pass certain tests. This would preclude many Democrats and minorities and women from voting. Can you dig it? It most definitely would preclude non-citizens from voting.

Now since all of that is considered discrimination, possible racism and sexism, what is done instead is the system which is done. Let the plebes think they have a vote, when in fact there's an intricate system involved. Capiche?

Anteros, if someone politely disagrees with you, you take it up a notch and get nasty.

I don't get that. What did I write that you think was nasty?

I miss read what you wrote.

The interesting thing on what is currently going on is we have clear evidence for everyone to see that there is a power elite controlling us and our future. That we really have no say. The Republican party does not want one of theirs to win the Presidency. To control both branches of Congress and the Presidency would eliminate their excuse of why the status quo cannot be changed (Obamacare et cetera). The GOP certainly doesn't want an outsider that might change things either.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on April 12, 2016, 08:32:40 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 11:04:50 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 11, 2016, 08:28:08 PM

I hate the word 'whining.' It is used to shut down the argument that injustice or unfairness is happening.

Okay, sorry. I don't like what the "elites" are doing and already did either. However Mr. Trump has the money and he claims he has the intelligence. Consequently it is his responsibility to run a winning candidacy. This clearly also means learning the rules and learning the ins and outs of the system.

The USA is not a Democracy. That's always been a mistake that people make, in believing that it is. The USA is a Federal Republic. Look it up if you wish. Part of this is the fact that the way somebody gets elected, is a rather complicated and complex system.

Quite frankly I would prefer if there were qualifications needed in order to vote. Such as a minimum IQ and the ability to pass certain tests. This would preclude many Democrats and minorities and women from voting. Can you dig it? It most definitely would preclude non-citizens from voting.

Now since all of that is considered discrimination, possible racism and sexism, what is done instead is the system which is done. Let the plebes think they have a vote, when in fact there's an intricate system involved. Capiche?

A federal republic is a federation of states with a democratic form of government.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 08:59:55 AM

Quote from: yankee on April 12, 2016, 08:32:40 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 11, 2016, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: Maxx on April 11, 2016, 08:28:08 PM

I hate the word 'whining.' It is used to shut down the argument that injustice or unfairness is happening.

Okay, sorry. I don't like what the "elites" are doing and already did either. However Mr. Trump has the money and he claims he has the intelligence. Consequently it is his responsibility to run a winning candidacy. This clearly also means learning the rules and learning the ins and outs of the system.

The USA is not a Democracy. That's always been a mistake that people make, in believing that it is. The USA is a Federal Republic. Look it up if you wish. Part of this is the fact that the way somebody gets elected, is a rather complicated and complex system.

Quite frankly I would prefer if there were qualifications needed in order to vote. Such as a minimum IQ and the ability to pass certain tests. This would preclude many Democrats and minorities and women from voting. Can you dig it? It most definitely would preclude non-citizens from voting.

Now since all of that is considered discrimination, possible racism and sexism, what is done instead is the system which is done. Let the plebes think they have a vote, when in fact there's an intricate system involved. Capiche?

A federal republic is a federation of states with a democratic form of government.

I suppose this is why the various states have different ways of awarding delegates? The only thing to do if you really want to get involved is to do what Shakespear did and become a delegate (or in his case an alternate delegate IIRC).

What I find "rigged" is that in a normal year when somebody had emerged as the front runner, the party would have come together behind him. This is what really irritates me and all other Trump supporters -- that these so called elites think they know best and think they have a right to derail the will of the people. Kasich would have been told to drop out and he would have done it before Ohio.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 09:55:00 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 08:59:55 AM

What I find "rigged" is that in a normal year when somebody had emerged as the front runner, the party would have come together behind him. This is what really irritates me and all other Trump supporters -- that these so called elites think they know best and think they have a right to derail the will of the people. Kasich would have been told to drop out and he would have done it before Ohio.

Only problem is "your guy" only gets about 38% of the votes cast. That means 62% voted against him. You can't really say that the Trump is the overwhelming "will of the people". Trump was never a consensus front-runner. The polls are unanimous that Clinton would KILL Trump in a General Election. An overwhelming number of registered women voters and Republican registered women voters claim they'd NEVER vote for Trump.

The "elites" have made a decision that Trump cannot win the General Election. They have correctly surmised that his support has a "ceiling" which he has reached. There are only so many low information, angry, middle class white guys who vote. They are afraid that an overwhelming Clinton election victory could have coat tails long enough to take control of the Senate. They believe they're acting for the best long-term interests of the Republican Party and for the 62% of Republican voters that wanted somebody else than Trump.

I think they'll settle for Cruz although they don't like him. I think they like Kasich but are salivating over Paul Ryan. They realize Hillary Clinton is the weakest Democrat candidate for President since Mike Dukakis. In their mind, they still believe the election is winnable if they can just get the right guy on the top of the ticket.

I do too! Trump is in no way. shape or form the right guy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 12, 2016, 10:30:14 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 09:55:00 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 08:59:55 AM
What I find "rigged" is that in a normal year when somebody had emerged as the front runner, the party would have come together behind him. This is what really irritates me and all other Trump supporters -- that these so called elites think they know best and think they have a right to derail the will of the people. Kasich would have been told to drop out and he would have done it before Ohio.

Only problem is "your guy" only gets about 38% of the votes cast. That means 62% voted against him. You can't really say that the Trump is the overwhelming "will of the people". Trump was never a consensus front-runner. The polls are unanimous that Clinton would KILL Trump in a General Election. An overwhelming number of registered women voters and Republican registered women voters claim they'd NEVER vote for Trump.

The "elites" have made a decision that Trump cannot win the General Election. They have correctly surmised that his support has a "ceiling" which he has reached. There are only so many low information, angry, middle class white guys who vote. They are afraid that an overwhelming Clinton election victory could have coat tails long enough to take control of the Senate. They believe they're acting for the best long-term interests of the Republican Party and for the 62% of Republican voters that wanted somebody else than Trump.

I think they'll settle for Cruz although they don't like him. I think they like Kasich but are salivating over Paul Ryan. They realize Hillary Clinton is the weakest Democrat candidate for President since Mike Dukakis. In their mind, they still believe the election is winnable if they can just get the right guy on the top of the ticket.

I do too! Trump is in no way. shape or form the right guy.

I think you are accurately representing the GOPe view.

And it is why, should Ryan or Kasich end up as the GOPe choice, they will fail spectacularly.

This morning I read a great article about Edwin Land, the guy who started Polaroid and invented instant photography from scratch. Lots of parallels with Steve Jobs.

In both cases, the GOPe, pardon me, I mean, the boards of directors for the respective companies, canned their visionary CEOs and went with a safe, respected leader. They were sure they were acting in the best long-term interests of the company.

And in both cases, the companies quickly went moribund; Polaroid went bankrupt not once, but twice, and Apple almost went under, except that Intel and especially Microsoft wanted to avoid being classed as monopolies, so they kept Apple around in various ways to point to as a "competitor" while they continued to suck up 90%+ of the market.

When Land was kicked out of his company he was about 70 and didn't have the energy or health to come back. Jobs was much younger and did have the ability to come back.

In the GOPe/MBA calculations, there is no room for calculations about passion, vision, leadership. Qualities that Trump shows and Ryan, Kasich most certainly do not.

The real reason, however, is that Trump is less likely to be controlled and more likely to result in people waking up to the multi-generational theft enabled by the Demopublican/Republicrat Party - the Single Political Party of the USA that has 2 heads.

They have their lovely and very profitable scam going on and don't want any outsiders to screw it up for them.

That is why they are admitting they would vote for Hillary - she will continue the scam.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 10:49:16 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 12, 2016, 10:30:14 AM

In the GOPe/MBA calculations, there is no room for calculations about passion, vision, leadership. Qualities that Trump shows and Ryan, Kasich most certainly do not.

Doesn't it bother you even a little bit that Trump has advertised himself as the smartest and most clever businessman in the race. He claims he surrounds himself with the smartest people and that they're going to gang up and outsmart the Russians, Chinese, World Trade Organizations, Mexicans and everybody else in the world; yet they were unable to outsmart the tiny little Republican Party of Colorado?

When registering for Colorado, they didn't even spell the names of nine of their delegate nominees correctly!

(:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 12, 2016, 11:02:21 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 10:49:16 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 12, 2016, 10:30:14 AM
In the GOPe/MBA calculations, there is no room for calculations about passion, vision, leadership. Qualities that Trump shows and Ryan, Kasich most certainly do not.

Doesn't it bother you even a little bit that Trump has advertised himself as the smartest and most clever businessman in the race. He claims he surrounds himself with the smartest people and that they're going to gang up and outsmart the Russians, Chinese, World Trade Organizations, Mexicans and everybody else in the world; yet they were unable to outsmart the tiny little Republican Party of Colorado?

When registering for Colorado, they didn't even spell the names of nine of their delegate nominees correctly!

(:)

He is the only person who demonstrated vision on the subject of immigration.

Even Paul Ryan, allowed for spending millions to bring over 300K Muslims in 1 year. see http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/16/paul-ryan-funds-visas-300000-muslim-migrants-house-republicans-give-standing-ovation/

Quote

The omnibus bill also funded sanctuary cities, illegal alien tax credits, and changed federal law to allow for a massive increase in low-skilled H-2B workers– an immigration expansion opposed by more than nine in ten GOP voters. Yet at the first gathering of all House Republicans since the omnibus’s passage, Politico reports that GOP lawmakers gave Ryan a standing ovation at the close of this week’s Republican Congressional retreat.

And for 20+ years nothing has been done about immigration.

Now that Trump raised the issue in a forceful way, it's a topic of discussion and debate.

That shows more leadership than John "I don't know if I would have signed the NC transexual bill" Kasich or Paul "fund-it-all" Ryan.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 11:08:16 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 10:49:16 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 12, 2016, 10:30:14 AM
In the GOPe/MBA calculations, there is no room for calculations about passion, vision, leadership. Qualities that Trump shows and Ryan, Kasich most certainly do not.

Doesn't it bother you even a little bit that Trump has advertised himself as the smartest and most clever businessman in the race. He claims he surrounds himself with the smartest people and that they're going to gang up and outsmart the Russians, Chinese, World Trade Organizations, Mexicans and everybody else in the world; yet they were unable to outsmart the tiny little Republican Party of Colorado?

When registering for Colorado, they didn't even spell the names of nine of their delegate nominees correctly!

This part bothered me. Trump should have hired Manafort back in November 2015, or January 2016 at the latest.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 11:10:16 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 12, 2016, 10:30:14 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 09:55:00 AM
Quote from: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 08:59:55 AM
What I find "rigged" is that in a normal year when somebody had emerged as the front runner, the party would have come together behind him. This is what really irritates me and all other Trump supporters -- that these so called elites think they know best and think they have a right to derail the will of the people. Kasich would have been told to drop out and he would have done it before Ohio.

Only problem is "your guy" only gets about 38% of the votes cast. That means 62% voted against him. You can't really say that the Trump is the overwhelming "will of the people". Trump was never a consensus front-runner. The polls are unanimous that Clinton would KILL Trump in a General Election. An overwhelming number of registered women voters and Republican registered women voters claim they'd NEVER vote for Trump.

The "elites" have made a decision that Trump cannot win the General Election. They have correctly surmised that his support has a "ceiling" which he has reached. There are only so many low information, angry, middle class white guys who vote. They are afraid that an overwhelming Clinton election victory could have coat tails long enough to take control of the Senate. They believe they're acting for the best long-term interests of the Republican Party and for the 62% of Republican voters that wanted somebody else than Trump.

I think they'll settle for Cruz although they don't like him. I think they like Kasich but are salivating over Paul Ryan. They realize Hillary Clinton is the weakest Democrat candidate for President since Mike Dukakis. In their mind, they still believe the election is winnable if they can just get the right guy on the top of the ticket.

I do too! Trump is in no way. shape or form the right guy.

I think you are accurately representing the GOPe view.

And it is why, should Ryan or Kasich end up as the GOPe choice, they will fail spectacularly.

This morning I read a great article about Edwin Land, the guy who started Polaroid and invented instant photography from scratch. Lots of parallels with Steve Jobs.

In both cases, the GOPe, pardon me, I mean, the boards of directors for the respective companies, canned their visionary CEOs and went with a safe, respected leader. They were sure they were acting in the best long-term interests of the company.

And in both cases, the companies quickly went moribund; Polaroid went bankrupt not once, but twice, and Apple almost went under, except that Intel and especially Microsoft wanted to avoid being classed as monopolies, so they kept Apple around in various ways to point to as a "competitor" while they continued to suck up 90%+ of the market.

When Land was kicked out of his company he was about 70 and didn't have the energy or health to come back. Jobs was much younger and did have the ability to come back.

In the GOPe/MBA calculations, there is no room for calculations about passion, vision, leadership. Qualities that Trump shows and Ryan, Kasich most certainly do not.

The real reason, however, is that Trump is less likely to be controlled and more likely to result in people waking up to the multi-generational theft enabled by the Demopublican/Republicrat Party - the Single Political Party of the USA that has 2 heads.

They have their lovely and very profitable scam going on and don't want any outsiders to screw it up for them.

That is why they are admitting they would vote for Hillary - she will continue the scam.

+1 Great post. The establishment is stuck in the past and on top of it they're constipated. They are going to destroy the party as we know it one way or the other. Trump is the medicine.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 11:21:17 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 09:55:00 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 08:59:55 AM
What I find "rigged" is that in a normal year when somebody had emerged as the front runner, the party would have come together behind him. This is what really irritates me and all other Trump supporters -- that these so called elites think they know best and think they have a right to derail the will of the people. Kasich would have been told to drop out and he would have done it before Ohio.

Only problem is "your guy" only gets about 38% of the votes cast. That means 62% voted against him. You can't really say that the Trump is the overwhelming "will of the people". Trump was never a consensus front-runner. The polls are unanimous that Clinton would KILL Trump in a General Election. An overwhelming number of registered women voters and Republican registered women voters claim they'd NEVER vote for Trump.

The "elites" have made a decision that Trump cannot win the General Election. They have correctly surmised that his support has a "ceiling" which he has reached. There are only so many low information, angry, middle class white guys who vote. They are afraid that an overwhelming Clinton election victory could have coat tails long enough to take control of the Senate. They believe they're acting for the best long-term interests of the Republican Party and for the 62% of Republican voters that wanted somebody else than Trump.

I think they'll settle for Cruz although they don't like him. I think they like Kasich but are salivating over Paul Ryan. They realize Hillary Clinton is the weakest Democrat candidate for President since Mike Dukakis. In their mind, they still believe the election is winnable if they can just get the right guy on the top of the ticket.

I do too! Trump is in no way. shape or form the right guy.

The way I see it the problem for Trump and for Americans who want change is two-fold. Trump's lack of knowledge about how delegates are awarded and the arcane rule of various states is his own fault. He was apparently given a book about the rules back in October of 2015 but he must have ignored it. As you've pointed out he thought he could win the nomination with a plurality of delegates, not with the required 1237. He clearly has been making it up as he went along. Shame on Trump. So we agree on that part of the equation.

The part we obviously don't agree about is this idea that the "establishment" insiders have a crystal ball and have a right to usurp the will of the people. Wrong headed and a sure way to destroy the party. Which may ultimately end up being a good thing. Paul Ryan? That wimp approved a budget and handed it to Obama without a fight. That idiot is weak on Muslim immigration and wants to approve more of the Trojan horse people. 100 years from now when the USA is collapsed or near it historians will blame Obama and the do nothing Republican Congress for the demise of the United States of America as we knew it. Not having a wall or effective immigration policy for our southern border will be a big part of the problem.

Reagan had negatives almost the same as Trump's but Reagan went on to win. Proof that self appointed false sages with crystal balls should keep their fortune telling to themselves.

In fact Trump has brought millions more people to the Republican party, who never would have been there. They would have remained bystanders, because like most Americans they're sick of DC politics as usual.

All of this is likely a moot conversation because Trump will go to the convention with the 1237 or he will get it on the first vote.

In the rare event that your preferred version happens you can be very sure you will indeed hand the election to Hillary Clinton. Trump supporters are not going to leave him. The Republican party will never be the same; and I say good riddance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 11:23:45 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 11:08:16 AM

This part bothered me. Trump should have hired Manafort back in November 2015, or January 2016 at the latest.

Ya think? :P

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 11:29:19 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 11:21:17 AM

Reagan had negatives almost the same as Trump's but Reagan went on to win. Proof that self appointed false sages with crystal balls should keep their fortune telling to themselves.

You keep ignoring the fact that Trump only received over 50% of the vote in one state. He may get his second in New York next week. Nationwide he is at about 38% of the votes cast. That means 62% voted for somebody else.

The convention is fair because it is structured to allow the majority of people to decide on the final candidate and not be bound by the decision of a disgruntled plurality.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 11:35:40 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 11:29:19 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 11:21:17 AM
Reagan had negatives almost the same as Trump's but Reagan went on to win. Proof that self appointed false sages with crystal balls should keep their fortune telling to themselves.

You keep ignoring the fact that Trump only received over 50% of the vote in one state. He may get his second in New York next week. Nationwide he is at about 38% of the votes cast. That means 62% voted for somebody else.

The convention is fair because it is structured to allow the majority of people to decide on the final candidate and not be bound by the decision of a disgruntled plurality.

And you keep ignoring the fact that Trump has had to divide his share of the vote with a couple of other interlopers who in a normal election cycle would not be there, because the party would have come out in a support of unity for just one guy. Once Trump does away with these last two you're going to see him focus on Hillary like a laser beam. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 11:49:06 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 11:35:40 AM

And you keep ignoring the fact that Trump has had to divide his share of the vote with a couple of other interlopers who in a normal election cycle would not be there, because the party would have come out in a support of unity for just one guy. Once Trump does away with these last two you're going to see him focus on Hillary like a laser beam. :laugh:

No.

Since it has been a three man race, he hasn't received over 50% of the votes in any state.

The more he "focuses on Hillary" the more he is labeled a misogynist by the general public, the bigger his loss in the General Election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 12:03:29 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 11:49:06 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 11:35:40 AM
And you keep ignoring the fact that Trump has had to divide his share of the vote with a couple of other interlopers who in a normal election cycle would not be there, because the party would have come out in a support of unity for just one guy. Once Trump does away with these last two you're going to see him focus on Hillary like a laser beam. :laugh:
The more he "focuses on Hillary" the more he is labeled a misogynist by the general public, the bigger his loss in the General Election.

Oh please. The days of Hillary being given a pass just because she has a vagina are over. More and more people see through that wimpy BS, but no doubt this is why you want Paul Ryan. :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 12, 2016, 12:14:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 11:49:06 AM

The more he "focuses on Hillary" the more he is labeled a misogynist by the general public, the bigger his loss in the General Election.

Hillary's support is ten miles wide and 1/10th of an inch thick.

No one except militant feminist cat ladies "of a certain age" truly prefer her.

He turned another fat lesbian, Rosie O'Donnell, into a shell of her former self - and I don't mean the 50lb weight loss.

Trump will do just fine against Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 12:23:51 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 12:03:29 PM

Oh please. The days of Hillary being given a pass just because she has a vagina are over. More and more people see through that wimpy BS, but no doubt this is why you want Paul Ryan. :sick0012:

Actually, I think there is no way Ryan would accept the nomination. I think he's going to confirm that belief at a news conference set for 2:00pm CDT today.

I'm getting pretty comfortable with Cruz actually. I think he will do very well in the debates against Hillary. He's certainly a conservative. He's got the "ground game" in place to fair well against the Democrat machine.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 12:47:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 12:23:51 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 12:03:29 PM
Oh please. The days of Hillary being given a pass just because she has a vagina are over. More and more people see through that wimpy BS, but no doubt this is why you want Paul Ryan. :sick0012:

Actually, I think there is no way Ryan would accept the nomination. I think he's going to confirm that belief at a news conference set for 2:00pm CDT today.

I'm getting pretty comfortable with Cruz actually. I think he will do very well in the debates against Hillary. He's certainly a conservative. He's got the "ground game" in place to fair well against the Democrat machine.

If Trump doesn't pull this off, Cruz would be okay with me as well. :thumbsup:

I do hope that he works on getting along better with Congress.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 02:05:35 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 12, 2016, 12:14:41 PM

Trump will do just fine against Hillary.

EVERY SINGLE POLL SO FAR SAYS OTHERWISE!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 03:10:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 02:05:35 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 12, 2016, 12:14:41 PM
Trump will do just fine against Hillary.

EVERY SINGLE POLL SO FAR SAYS OTHERWISE!

It's too EARLY!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 03:33:37 PM

The best commentary I've heard so far today . . . . . .

"The Cruz campaign used Colorado Convention Rules to their advantage the same way Trump used Bankruptcy Rules to his advantage. Quit whining."

Bwhahahahahahaha :ROFL:

Ryan is out as I predicted up thread.

I was right AGAIN Andrewfi. :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 03:48:44 PM

^The RNC has not won an election in a long time. Their last "establishment" choice was very polite and polished. In fact a real weakling, who CHOKED. Is that what you want Shakespear, another choke-artist like Romney? At least you've come around to liking Cruz. The only two persons who should be considered for the nominee, should Trump fail to get the required 1237 delegates at first, would be Cruz and Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 03:53:56 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2016, 03:33:37 PM

The best commentary I've heard so far today . . . . . .

"The Cruz campaign used Colorado Convention Rules to their advantage the same way Trump used Bankruptcy Rules to his advantage. Quit whining."

Bwhahahahahahaha :ROFL:

Actually that is funny. Even though I don't know all there is to know about CO, what I do know is that they say Trump (obviously) did not go to the Colorado convention, so he more or less did himself in.

Ryan did the right thing, in the interests of saving the party from certain destruction, by dropping out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 12, 2016, 04:07:41 PM

Senator Cory Gardner on why Trump lost CO.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/12/cory-gardner-colorado-delegates-cruz-trump-didnt-end-story/

I think Trump got schlonged in Colorado. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 12, 2016, 04:58:03 PM

Finally, a person with standing, evidence that Cruz is not a natural born citizen and a hearing coming up in New Jersey.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2016/04/12/rick-sanchez-by-renouncing-his-canadian-citizenship-ted-cruz-further-proved-his/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 12, 2016, 07:07:36 PM

Quote from: bagalia on April 12, 2016, 04:58:03 PM

Finally, a person with standing, evidence that Cruz is not a natural born citizen and a hearing coming up in New Jersey.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2016/04/12/rick-sanchez-by-renouncing-his-canadian-citizenship-ted-cruz-further-proved-his/

Looks like a God in Heaven that Tricky Ted Talks to is not catering to his Canadian birth cuckery.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 12, 2016, 07:25:57 PM

The only problem with Trump is there is no problem.

At minimal cost he shot to frontrunner status with large rally's and Twitter pings that the media followed religiously to milk off of his ratings wizardry.

Now its pivot time to the Convention.

Colorado was a strategic move to prove how much of a unnatural born crooked Canadian Cuck Cruz really is.

This has shocked all GOP voters with a sense of fair play that the Greedy GOP Deep State Establishment is making up their own rules as they go - with the blatant theft of Colorado - so much for the laid back easy going stoners state.

Now with this example Trump green lights Manafort to take the gloves off and wrangle delegates via all legal means to win the Convention delegates haul on round one.

You give a crooked Canuck enough rope and eventually they will hang themselves.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 13, 2016, 09:44:57 AM

Quote from: bagalia on April 12, 2016, 04:58:03 PM

Finally, a person with standing, evidence that Cruz is not a natural born citizen and a hearing coming up in New Jersey.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2016/04/12/rick-sanchez-by-renouncing-his-canadian-citizenship-ted-cruz-further-proved-his/

Judge took about 10 minutes after reading Section 3 of the Immigration Act of 1790 for him to to rule that Cruz was eligible to run for President of the United States.

Of course he was eligible. Complete waste of the courts time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 13, 2016, 11:30:30 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 13, 2016, 09:44:57 AM

Quote from: bagalia on April 12, 2016, 04:58:03 PM
Finally, a person with standing, evidence that Cruz is not a natural born citizen and a hearing coming up in New Jersey.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2016/04/12/rick-sanchez-by-renouncing-his-canadian-citizenship-ted-cruz-further-proved-his/

Judge took about 10 minutes after reading Section 3 of the Immigration Act of 1790 for him to to rule that Cruz was eligible to run for President of the United States.

Of course he was eligible. Complete waste of the courts time.

Yes, depressing isn't it? But this is the first time that a suit has been brought with proper standing and it will go further. It is a bit different than the Obama suit in several ways. For one, this judge did not have the authority to define "natural born citizen". Then you need to figure out if Cruz was a natural born citizen of his fathers country (Cuba I believe) or his mothers country, you cannot have both. Then since his parents had lived in Canada for several years and became Canadian citizens I believe and Canada claimed him as a citizen is another point. In the end one needs to understand that Cruz was a Canadian citizen from birth and became a naturalized American citizen much later in life. So is he a natural born citizen or a naturalized American citizen? You can expect this one to go all the way to a final definition methinks. Whichever way it goes this question on the NBC subject really needs to be settled.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 13, 2016, 11:34:45 AM

Trump better get those 1237 delegates prior to the convention, or at the latest on the first ballot. After that I think he's going to be toast and Ted Cruz will likely be the nominee. Why? Because Cruz is better organized at picking up delegates. Millions of dollars of "free" media only goes so far.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cruz-likely-to-block-trump-on-a-second-ballot-at-the-gop-convention/ar-BBrHv51?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 13, 2016, 11:46:43 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 13, 2016, 09:44:57 AM

Quote from: bagalia on April 12, 2016, 04:58:03 PM
Finally, a person with standing, evidence that Cruz is not a natural born citizen and a hearing coming up in New Jersey.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2016/04/12/rick-sanchez-by-renouncing-his-canadian-citizenship-ted-cruz-further-proved-his/

Judge took about 10 minutes after reading Section 3 of the Immigration Act of 1790 for him to to rule that Cruz was eligible to run for President of the United States.

Of course he was eligible. Complete waste of the courts time.

:plane: I hear appeal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 13, 2016, 11:52:42 AM

Be careful what you wish for. Cruz seen by some as "worse than Trump".

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/cruz-is-as-bad-as-trump-and-maybe-worse-column/ar-BBrt3d0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 13, 2016, 11:55:56 AM

Quote from: bagalia on April 13, 2016, 11:30:30 AM

Yes, depressing isn't it? But this is the first time that a suit has been brought with proper standing and it will go further. It is a bit different than the Obama suit in several ways. For one, this judge did not have the authority to define "natural born citizen". Then you need to figure out if Cruz was a natural born citizen of his fathers country (Cuba I believe) or his mothers country, you cannot have both. Then since his parents had lived in Canada for several years and became Canadian citizens I believe and Canada claimed him as a citizen is another point. In the end one needs to understand that Cruz was a Canadian citizen from birth and became a naturalized American citizen much later in life. So is he a natural born citizen or a naturalized American citizen? You can expect this one to go all the way to a final definition methinks. Whichever way it goes this question on the NBC subject really needs to be settled.

Oh Scott, a sixth grader with an appropriate command of the English vocabulary and American civics can read the Immigration Act of 1790, then compare it to the Constitution and conclude that Cruz is eligible to be President of the United States.

Here is the text of the Immigration Act of 1790:

"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed."

Now let's go to The Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5 which states:

"5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

It is important to note that this is the only time the term "natural born citizens" is used in any US government law is in the Immigration Act of 1790.

What could be more clear?

The people who questioned Obama's eligibility to be President (including Trump) were idiots. The people who question Cruz's eligibility to be President fit into the same category.

As the police say, "Let's move on folks. Nothing to see here"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 13, 2016, 11:56:54 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 13, 2016, 11:34:45 AM

Trump better get those 1237 delegates prior to the convention, or at the latest on the first ballot. After that I think he's going to be toast and Ted Cruz will likely be the nominee. Why? Because Cruz is better organized at picking up delegates. Millions of dollars of "free" media only goes so far.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cruz-likely-to-block-trump-on-a-second-ballot-at-the-gop-convention/ar-BBrHv51?li=BBnb7Kz

You're starting to display an understanding of US politics.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 13, 2016, 12:19:26 PM

Thanks Shakespear. If one only reads and observes, one can see that the same system which Trump has been complaining is "corrupt" is the system which has favored Trump and awarded him delegates when he's won. For example Trump did not win all of the voters in Florida, but he did in fact win all of the delegates. I don't recall Trump complaining about that. This is a good article for those who think the system is corrupt. My answer is that yes, the system may be corrupt, however it is the system which Trump was told about a year ago. He had the same opportunity as other candidates to prepare for it, and he chose to do otherwise.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/despite-complaints-delegate-system-has-given-trump-22-percent-bonus-n553801

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on April 13, 2016, 01:09:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 13, 2016, 11:55:56 AM

Quote from: bagalia on April 13, 2016, 11:30:30 AM
Yes, depressing isn't it? But this is the first time that a suit has been brought with proper standing and it will go further. It is a bit different than the Obama suit in several ways. For one, this judge did not have the authority to define "natural born citizen". Then you need to figure out if Cruz was a natural born citizen of his fathers country (Cuba I believe) or his mothers country, you cannot have both. Then since his parents had lived in Canada for several years and became Canadian citizens I believe and Canada claimed him as a citizen is another point. In the end one needs to understand that Cruz was a Canadian citizen from birth and became a naturalized American citizen much later in life. So is he a natural born citizen or a naturalized American citizen? You can expect this one to go all the way to a final definition methinks. Whichever way it goes this question on the NBC subject really needs to be settled.

Oh Scott, a sixth grader with an appropriate command of the English vocabulary and American civics can read the Immigration Act of 1790, then compare it to the Constitution and conclude that Cruz is eligible to be President of the United States.

Here is the text of the Immigration Act of 1790:

"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed."

Now let's go to The Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5 which states:

"5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

It is important to note that this is the only time the term "natural born citizens" is used in any US government law is in the Immigration Act of 1790.

What could be more clear?

The people who questioned Obama's eligibility to be President (including Trump) were idiots. The people who question Cruz's eligibility to be President fit into the same category.

As the police say, "Let's move on folks. Nothing to see here"

I always heard that if you voulentary choose another citizenship (such as the cruz's did) you automaticly forfeit your american citizenship.

(This point came up in the movie "not without my daughter" when the american wife sought help from the american embassy.)

Now of course, if you are aware of this fact, you can keep your USA residency, but have to make that choice when applying or its automatic I believe.

Mark.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 13, 2016, 01:25:38 PM

Quote from: Markje on April 13, 2016, 01:09:41 PM

I always heard that if you voulentary choose another citizenship (such as the cruz's did) you automaticly forfeit your american citizenship.

(This point came up in the movie "not without my daughter" when the american wife sought help from the american embassy.)

Now of course, if you are aware of this fact, you can keep your USA residency, but have to make that choice when applying or its automatic I believe.

Mark.

You have to renounce your US citizenship in writing before a consular official.

Don't think Cruz did that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 13, 2016, 03:09:35 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 12, 2016, 07:25:57 PM

Colorado was a strategic move to prove how much of a unnatural born crooked Canadian Cuck Cruz really is.

This has shocked all GOP voters with a sense of fair play that the Greedy GOP Deep State Establishment is making up their own rules as they go - with the blatant theft of Colorado - so much for the laid back easy going stoners state.

You've drank the full glass of the Trump kool-aide.

You have no idea what really happened in Colorado.

There was no theft. The rules are not rigged. Colorado legally changed from an open vote to a caucus state. They did it 6 months ago long enough for everyone to familiarize themselves with the new rules. Because of hubris and cockiness, Trump didn't bother to even try to comply.

EVERYONE who attended the caucus got a vote. Nobody was denied a vote. Trump had NO paid staff in Colorado. They misspelled the names of 9 of their 15 regional representatives, which means they were not credentialed by the rules of the state convention. They got the result their effort deserved.

Trump has 45% of the delegates but only 39% of the vote. He is BENEFITING from the rules overall.

Trump is a liar. Trump is a bad loser. Trump is a political ignoramus. Trump has the temperament of a spoiled brat. He has no respect for women unless they are fashion-model beautiful.

No way this guy should be the leader of the free world.

Think about it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 13, 2016, 03:52:39 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 13, 2016, 03:09:35 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 12, 2016, 07:25:57 PM
Colorado was a strategic move to prove how much of a unnatural born crooked Canadian Cuck Cruz really is.

This has shocked all GOP voters with a sense of fair play that the Greedy GOP Deep State Establishment is making up their own rules as they go - with the blatant theft of Colorado - so much for the laid back easy going stoners state.

You've drank the full glass of the Trump kool-aide.

You have no idea what really happened in Colorado.

There was no theft. The rules are not rigged. Colorado legally changed from an open vote to a caucus state. They did it 6 months ago long enough for everyone to familiarize themselves with the new rules. Because of hubris and cockiness, Trump didn't bother to even try to comply.

EVERYONE who attended the caucus got a vote. Nobody was denied a vote. Trump had NO paid staff in Colorado. They misspelled the names of 9 of their 15 regional representatives, which means they were not credentialed by the rules of the state convention. They got the result their effort deserved.

Trump has 45% of the delegates but only 39% of the vote. He is BENEFITING from the rules overall.

I agree with what you posted above. The rest of what you posted remains to be seen.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 13, 2016, 04:00:03 PM

This article is for Cuffy, Maxx and Slumba. Shakespear already knows all of this. It goes back to why Trump lost Iowa and the fact that he didn't learn anything from it.

http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/02/03/donald-trump-learned-nothing-iowa/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 13, 2016, 04:27:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 13, 2016, 03:09:35 PM

Trump is a liar. Trump is a bad loser. Trump is a political ignoramus. Trump has the temperament of a spoiled brat. He has no respect for women unless they are fashion-model beautiful.

No way this guy should be the leader of the free world.

Don't forget this gem from March:

Quote from: Donald Trump

I’m speaking with myself, number one, [about foreign policy] because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things. I know what I’m doing and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people and at the appropriate time I’ll tell you who the people are, but my primary consultant is myself and I have a good instinct for this stuff.

One can easily imagine such comments coming from a very self-absorbed ten-year-old.

In the spirit of giving Cruz equal time, here's some well-deserved publicity for him:

http://theweek.com/speedreads/618186/ted-cruz-once-argued-ban-sex-toys-college-roommate-just-revealed-why-that-hypocritical

Ted must have been apoplectic when the Texas sodomy laws were struck down. (Lawrence v. Texas.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 13, 2016, 04:40:57 PM

Didn't catch the name but a GOP spokesman said if Trump gets over 1100 delegates he will be the nominee.
As reported on NBC

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 13, 2016, 04:51:52 PM

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rnc-member-donald-trump-can-win-with-1100-delegates/article/2588378

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 13, 2016, 06:01:26 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 13, 2016, 03:09:35 PM

You have no idea what really happened in Colorado.

Think about it.

All I know is, it was a completely unbiased operation run in a sterling and most trustworthy fashion by the CO GOP.

See attached Tweet from the official account:

(http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/cache/2016/04/Never-Trump-Tweet/1417514466.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 13, 2016, 06:49:35 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 13, 2016, 06:01:26 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 13, 2016, 03:09:35 PM
You have no idea what really happened in Colorado.

Think about it.

All I know is, it was a completely unbiased operation run in a sterling and most trustworthy fashion by the CO GOP.

See attached Tweet from the official account:

(http://coloradopeakpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/cache/2016/04/Never-Trump-Tweet/1417514466.jpg)

It wasn't hard to do when Trump did not engage a ground game in CO. And Trump is the guy who claims he is really, really smart, and he hires smart competent people. Somewhat of a disconnect from the guy who's been telling us he knows how to re-negotiate deals with China, Japan and Mexico. If he can't send a proper team to Colorado to win some delegates, will he be able to put together a team to deal with China?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 13, 2016, 07:37:54 PM

SJW and Trump hater Tom won't be happy with this one. Trump manager will not be prosecuted. :laugh:

http://radio.foxnews.com/2016/04/13/politico-trump-campaign-manager-wont-be-prosecuted/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on April 13, 2016, 08:45:46 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 13, 2016, 07:37:54 PM

SJW and Trump hater Tom won't be happy with this one. Trump manager will not be prosecuted. :laugh:

http://radio.foxnews.com/2016/04/13/politico-trump-campaign-manager-wont-be-prosecuted/

It should not have been in the news to begin with.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 13, 2016, 09:27:19 PM

A protest is planned for Friday in Colorado over how delegates got awarded. Not sure if much will come of it.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/protest-planned-at-colorado-gop-headquarters-over-election-cancellation.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on April 13, 2016, 10:22:06 PM

How can one 'hate' 'Trump ..it's more a case of incredulity / sympathy / concern for those who might think he talked sense...

Never mind...This article on Cruz's attempts to get Dildos banned has me wondering if the Republicans haven't already run up the white flag - ensuring another fours years of a Democrat President ..REALLY... there must be thousands of better candidates than these two loopy lunes..

''The Time Ted Cruz Defended a Ban on Dildos''

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/ted-cruz-dildo-ban-sex-devices-texas (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/ted-cruz-dildo-ban-sex-devices-texas)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on April 14, 2016, 01:50:16 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 13, 2016, 01:25:38 PM

Quote from: Markje on April 13, 2016, 01:09:41 PM
I always heard that if you voulentary choose another citizenship (such as the cruz's did) you automaticly forfeit your american citizenship.

(This point came up in the movie "not without my daughter" when the american wife sought help from the american embassy.)

Now of course, if you are aware of this fact, you can keep your USA residency, but have to make that choice when applying or its automatic I believe.

Mark.

You have to renounce your US citizenship in writing before a consular official.

Don't think Cruz did that.

No I'm talking about Cruz's parents.

If they moved to Canada, and they got Canadian citizenship, did they automaticly loose their American Citizenship (see movie quote above). (Or perhaps they did opt to keep their A.C.).

If so, did Cruz have to apply for a green card like everyone else to get his A.C. if so, he's definately not natural-born citizen.

Mark.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 14, 2016, 03:04:31 AM

Quote from: Markje on April 13, 2016, 01:09:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 13, 2016, 11:55:56 AM
Quote from: bagalia on April 13, 2016, 11:30:30 AM
Yes, depressing isn't it? But this is the first time that a suit has been brought with proper standing and it will go further. It is a bit different than the Obama suit in several ways. For one, this judge did not have the authority to define "natural born citizen". Then you need to figure out if Cruz was a natural born citizen of his fathers country (Cuba I believe) or his mothers country, you cannot have both. Then since his parents had lived in Canada for several years and became Canadian citizens I believe and Canada claimed him as a citizen is another point. In the end one needs to understand that Cruz was a Canadian citizen from birth and became a naturalized American citizen much later in life. So is he a natural born citizen or a naturalized American citizen? You can expect this one to go all the way to a final definition methinks. Whichever way it goes this question on the NBC subject really needs to be settled.

Oh Scott, a sixth grader with an appropriate command of the English vocabulary and American civics can read the Immigration Act of 1790, then compare it to the Constitution and conclude that Cruz is eligible to be President of the United States.

Here is the text of the Immigration Act of 1790:

"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, that no person heretofore proscribed by any States, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an Act of the Legislature of the State in which such person was proscribed."

Now let's go to The Constitution, Article II, Section 1, Paragraph 5 which states:

"5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

It is important to note that this is the only time the term "natural born citizens" is used in any US government law is in the Immigration Act of 1790.

What could be more clear?

The people who questioned Obama's eligibility to be President (including Trump) were idiots. The people who question Cruz's eligibility to be President fit into the same category.

As the police say, "Let's move on folks. Nothing to see here"
I always heard that if you voulentary choose another citizenship (such as the cruz's did) you automaticly forfeit your american citizenship.

(This point came up in the movie "not without my daughter" when the american wife sought help from the american embassy.)

Now of course, if you are aware of this fact, you can keep your USA residency, but have to make that choice when applying or its automatic I believe.

Mark.

You are very correct in the above pasting of the 1790 immigration act.

Now let us visit the immigration act of 1795 which repealed 1790.

the Act of 1795 equivalent section:

"and the children of citizens of the United States born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States. Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend on persons whose fathers have never been resident of the United States."

Natural born was deleted.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 14, 2016, 03:43:15 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 13, 2016, 03:09:35 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 12, 2016, 07:25:57 PM
Colorado was a strategic move to prove how much of a unnatural born crooked Canadian Cuck Cruz really is.

This has shocked all GOP voters with a sense of fair play that the Greedy GOP Deep State Establishment is making up their own rules as they go - with the blatant theft of Colorado - so much for the laid back easy going stoners state.

You've drank the full glass of the Trump kool-aide.

You have no idea what really happened in Colorado.

There was no theft. The rules are not rigged. Colorado legally changed from an open vote to a caucus state. They did it 6 months ago long enough for everyone to familiarize themselves with the new rules. Because of hubris and cockiness, Trump didn't bother to even try to comply.

EVERYONE who attended the caucus got a vote. Nobody was denied a vote. Trump had NO paid staff in Colorado. They misspelled the names of 9 of their 15 regional representatives, which means they were not credentialed by the rules of the state convention. They got the result their effort deserved.

Trump has 45% of the delegates but only 39% of the vote. He is BENEFITING from the rules overall.

Trump is a liar. Trump is a bad loser. Trump is a political ignoramus. Trump has the temperament of a spoiled brat. He has no respect for women unless they are fashion-model beautiful.

No way this guy should be the leader of the free world.

Think about it.

Shakes baby, If you believe that, then there is no hope for you, you will even believe all which Msmoby^TM jabbers on about.. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 14, 2016, 03:55:52 AM

I have to note that anyone who suggests Trump is a 'political ignoramus' is either purposefully ignorant of reality or has been drinking some of that Kool-Aid stuff himself. The man and his businesses have been political operators for decades.

Yes, the rules were changed months ago and we do not know the internal workings of the Trump political machine, however there is little that the campaign does that is done from ignorance, sloth, or lack of experience.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 14, 2016, 04:18:43 AM

Quote from: bagalia on April 14, 2016, 03:04:31 AM

You are very correct in the above pasting of the 1790 immigration act.

Now let us visit the immigration act of 1795 which repealed 1790.

the Act of 1795 equivalent section:

"and the children of citizens of the United States born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, shall be considered as citizens of the United States. Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend on persons whose fathers have never been resident of the United States."

Natural born was deleted.

True.

However, further study will reveal The Act of 1795 was superseded by the Naturalization Act of 1798, which itself was repealed in 1802, which restores the original act of 1790 being what as known as "permanent law".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 14, 2016, 04:22:06 AM

Will somebody please tell the Trump campaign, when speaking in Pennsylvania, it's best to know that Joe Paterno has been dead for several years.

What an ass clown.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 14, 2016, 09:01:13 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 14, 2016, 04:22:06 AM

Will somebody please tell the Trump campaign, when speaking in Pennsylvania, it's best to know that Joe Paterno has been dead for several years.

What an ass clown.

Oh no he didn't!?? :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 14, 2016, 09:36:44 AM

Quote from: msmoby on April 13, 2016, 10:22:06 PM

How can one 'hate' 'Trump ..it's more a case of incredulity / sympathy / concern for those who might think he talked sense...

Never mind...This article on Cruz's attempts to get Dildos banned has me wondering if the Republicans haven't already run up the white flag - ensuring another fours years of a Democrat President ..REALLY... there must be thousands of better candidates than these two loopy lunes..

''The Time Ted Cruz Defended a Ban on Dildos''

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/ted-cruz-dildo-ban-sex-devices-texas (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/ted-cruz-dildo-ban-sex-devices-texas)

Unlike the culturally suicidal Europastanis, Mr. Trump (to you) is a Patriot and will rebuild the USA and prosecute then deport crimaliens and ISIS/Al Qaeda infiltrators and sympathizers.

Then get us the hell out of useless bloody NATO now that you all have decided to surrender en masse to the Sharia-satanic invaders.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 14, 2016, 09:39:08 AM

LOL If we can't have Trump to rebuild the USA then there is always Bernie to tear it down... when it will have to be rebuilt anyway.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 14, 2016, 09:54:32 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 14, 2016, 04:22:06 AM

Will somebody please tell the Trump campaign, when speaking in Pennsylvania, it's best to know that Joe Paterno has been dead for several years.

What an ass clown.

This mistake will make him more beloved to "We the people."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on April 14, 2016, 10:07:48 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 14, 2016, 09:36:44 AM

Unlike the culturally suicidal Europastanis, Mr. Trump (to you) is a Patriot [/quolte]

Patriotism is largely an accident of birth... I hear about 'patriotism' day in and day out on Russian TV... :yawn:

If folk would stop grabbing territory off others they agreed WAS t'others... we could have forgotten the need for NATO..I am certain many dick head patriots talk up wars ...

Quote from: cufflinks on April 14, 2016, 09:36:44 AM
Then get us the hell out of useless bloody NATO now that you all have decided to surrender en masse to the Sharia-satanic invaders.

In case you hadn't noticed... 'even' I do not subscribe to Sharia....it is an outdated relic from 2,000 years ago... but your 'viewpoints' always amuse, Mikey.

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 14, 2016, 10:33:29 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 14, 2016, 09:54:32 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 14, 2016, 04:22:06 AM
Will somebody please tell the Trump campaign, when speaking in Pennsylvania, it's best to know that Joe Paterno has been dead for several years.

What an ass clown.

This mistake will make him more beloved to "We the people."

True. It really doesn't matter to most.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 14, 2016, 10:53:31 AM

Eight wasted years . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 14, 2016, 11:10:02 AM

Hillary Clinton as a Presidential Candidate in 2016 is the biggest Christmas Present the Democrats could ever give the Republican Party. She is the most vulnerable and flawed candidate to run for President since Michael Dukakas.

If she gets elected, the country will not be able to recover from the 8-year disaster that was Barrack Obama. Our country will be on the irreversible path to social democracy in the European model.

Yet, rather than keeping their eye on the ball and focusing on defeating Hillary Clinton in the 2016, a large, ignorant but well intended group of Republican voters have picked a candidate that cannot possibly beat her in the General Election. In their frustrated hopes that one man can immediately change all the faults of the past 56 years, they've thrown there fervent support behind a carnival-barking reality television host, who hasn't the experience, understanding, intelligence or temperament to actually be the President of the United States.

I pray every night that the 39% of Republicans who think Donald Trump is the sole savior of the future of the United States will come to senses and discover 'the king isn't wearing any clothes" before it's too late.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 14, 2016, 11:33:42 AM

Fortunately for the Yanks hereabouts they have a well-trodden path to avoid the USA decline and carnage - and a way to profit by it if any of the Globalists are elected because the Deep State has decided to assassinate if not physically then in character the one person with enough FU money to speak real truth to their Deep State Globalist power:

Enjoy the decline AND PROFIT from it:

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 14, 2016, 11:37:44 AM

Hillary will be called out for all of her CGI Deep State Globalist George Soros financed crimes in the DEMs Convention so if we do not have a President Trump it will likely be President Bernie.

Easy decision really - Do we rebuild the USA or DESTROY it via Euroshariastan Suicidal Socialism.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 14, 2016, 12:05:19 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 14, 2016, 10:53:31 AM

Eight wasted years . . . . . . . . . . . . .

I certainly agree with you on that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 14, 2016, 12:09:47 PM

Quote from: msmoby on April 14, 2016, 10:07:48 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 14, 2016, 09:36:44 AM

Unlike the culturally suicidal Europastanis, Mr. Trump (to you) is a Patriot [/quolte]

Patriotism is largely an accident of birth... I hear about 'patriotism' day in and day out on Russian TV... :yawn:

If folk would stop grabbing territory off others they agreed WAS t'others... we could have forgotten the need for NATO..I am certain many dick head patriots talk up wars ...

Quote from: cufflinks on April 14, 2016, 09:36:44 AM
Then get us the hell out of useless bloody NATO now that you all have decided to surrender en masse to the Sharia-satanic invaders.

In case you hadn't noticed... 'even' I do not subscribe to Sharia....it is an outdated relic from 2,000 years ago... but your 'viewpoints' always amuse, Mikey.
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The abilities of the Great Great Great etc Grandsons of Red Coat Empire Builders and Land Usurpers to revise history to their modern Militant Islamist Marxist Feminist pro LGBTQ agendas in astounding in the depth of its depravity, and deviant degeneracy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 14, 2016, 04:31:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 14, 2016, 10:53:31 AM

Eight wasted years . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Not if you're a Marxist Muslim traitor to the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 14, 2016, 09:54:41 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-says-won-t-165617690.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 14, 2016, 11:33:32 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 13, 2016, 07:37:54 PM

SJW and Trump hater Tom won't be happy with this one. Trump manager will not be prosecuted. :laugh:

http://radio.foxnews.com/2016/04/13/politico-trump-campaign-manager-wont-be-prosecuted/

New video of "the assault" The one the judge used to make his decision not to prosecute. If this is assault no man should ever get into a crowded room with a woman. This woman is obviously a liar.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:23:02 AM

^ Your attitude toward women is showing. The liars in this episode were Lewandowski and Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 15, 2016, 09:33:28 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:23:02 AM

^ Your attitude toward women is showing. The liars in this episode were Lewandowski and Trump.

I think the DA made the right decision NOT to prosecute in this instance.

Hillary got her ass kicked by Bernie in the debate last night. She is REALLY a flawed vulnerable candidate.

If the Republicans could just select a "normal guy" for a candidate instead of a "carnival-barker" and a "bible thumper" it could be the most embarrassing defeat for the Democrats since Michael Dukakas.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:42:37 AM

^ Trump got to David Aronberg.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/13/politics/corey-lewandowski-donald-trump-charges-dropped/

David's double-talk would make perfect sense to someone who has issues with women.
His ending comment was pretty funny: "...the state will not file this case." David was probably nervous because he has little experience being an apologist for misogynists.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 15, 2016, 10:28:11 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:23:02 AM

^ Your attitude toward women is showing. The liars in this episode were Lewandowski and Trump.

You conveniently left out the person who dismissed the case. Also clearly a he-man woman-hater.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 15, 2016, 11:34:20 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:23:02 AM

^ Your attitude toward women is showing. The liars in this episode were Lewandowski and Trump.

It is your attitude toward men that I've noticed. You did try and set me up with your Russian ex-wife Svetlana who cheated on you with a "felon." I wondered why you did that to me? Of course now I see your being a misandrist might be the reason why. There seems to be no male camaraderie or brotherhood in your makeup. Probably another complex from your upbringing which was far from ideal as you admitted at RW-G ten years ago. Did Svetlana ever land back on her feet? Or is she still cleaning houses in Moscow to make a living? Don't throw stones Tom while I'm asleep.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 15, 2016, 01:48:18 PM

^ You seem to carrying a pretty heavy load, fella. Is there anything else that you would like to get off your chest?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 15, 2016, 02:32:47 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 15, 2016, 10:28:11 AM

You conveniently left out the person who dismissed the case. Also clearly a he-man woman-hater.

The case wasn't dismissed; the State Attorney, David Aronberg, declined to prosecute. Since nuances loom large in your legend, I'm sure that you can appreciate the difference.

Both Lewandowski and Trump lied when they claimed that the former never touched Fields but Aronberg stated that he did. Instead of outright lying, as Corey and Donald had, David made up the "reasonable hypothesis of innocence" BS to protect himself against claims that he was influenced by Trump. There were certainly ethical issues involved, not the least of which was discussing the case with Donald.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 04:00:41 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 01:48:18 PM

^ You seem to carrying a pretty heavy load, fella. Is there anything else that you would like to get off your chest?

To be or not to be, that is the question. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 04:06:24 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:23:02 AM

^ Your attitude toward women is showing. The liars in this episode were Lewandowski and Trump.

I suggest that you read the story of Adam and Eve in the Bible. It was Eve who tempted Adam with the forbidden fruit, and mankind fell into sin as a result of it.

Just as it was Michelle Fields who attempted to make inappropriate physical contact with a Presidential candidate, after the Secret Service had warned her to keep back.

In case you have any questions; it's always some immoral hussie out for some sort of financial reward which leads to these sort of situations.

What's super obvious is the fact that if it had been a man attempting to make inappropriate contact with Trump who got pulled back, it never would have been a story and you would not still be discussing it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on April 15, 2016, 04:44:07 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 04:06:24 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:23:02 AM
^ Your attitude toward women is showing.

I suggest that you read the story of Adam and Eve in the Bible. It was Eve who tempted Adam with the forbidden fruit, and mankind fell into sin as a result of it.

I told my seven year old today the story of the boy who cried wolf. It is my hope she will absorb the moral of the story rather than absorb it as absolute fact.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 15, 2016, 04:47:06 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 02:32:47 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 15, 2016, 10:28:11 AM
You conveniently left out the person who dismissed the case. Also clearly a he-man woman-hater.

The case wasn't dismissed; the State Attorney, David Aronberg, declined to prosecute. Since nuances loom large in your legend, I'm sure that you can appreciate the difference.

Both Lewandowski and Trump lied when they claimed that the former never touched Fields but Aronberg stated that he did. Instead of outright lying, as Corey and Donald had, David made up the "reasonable hypothesis of innocence" BS to protect himself against claims that he was influenced by Trump. There were certainly ethical issues involved, not the least of which was discussing the case with Donald.

Keep telling yourself you are a genius.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 06:57:49 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 15, 2016, 04:44:07 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 04:06:24 PM
Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:23:02 AM
^ Your attitude toward women is showing.

I suggest that you read the story of Adam and Eve in the Bible. It was Eve who tempted Adam with the forbidden fruit, and mankind fell into sin as a result of it.

I told my seven year old today the story of the boy who cried wolf. It is my hope she will absorb the moral of the story rather than absorb it as absolute fact.

I must be having a brain spasm because I can't figure out how the two statements are related but would be fascinated if you could explain it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 07:32:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 15, 2016, 09:33:28 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:23:02 AM
^ Your attitude toward women is showing. The liars in this episode were Lewandowski and Trump.

I think the DA made the right decision NOT to prosecute in this instance.

Hillary got her ass kicked by Bernie in the debate last night. She is REALLY a flawed vulnerable candidate.

If the Republicans could just select a "normal guy" for a candidate instead of a "carnival-barker" and a "bible thumper" it could be the most embarrassing defeat for the Democrats since Michael Dukakas.

Trump is the one who could wipe out Hillary like Reagan wiped out Jimmy Carter. Ted Cruz IMO is too far to the right due to his "bible thumping". Trump gets the job done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 15, 2016, 08:54:06 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 06:57:49 PM

I must be having a brain spasm because I can't figure out how the two statements are related but would be fascinated if you could explain it.

The mythical boy who cried wolf and the tale of Adam and Eve are both metaphors that convey object lessons.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 09:17:51 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 08:54:06 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 06:57:49 PM
I must be having a brain spasm because I can't figure out how the two statements are related but would be fascinated if you could explain it.

The mythical boy who cried wolf and the tale of Adam and Eve are both metaphors that convey object lessons.

A light went on and I'm assuming how he meant it is that Michelle Fields is like the boy who cried wolf.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:21:54 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 15, 2016, 04:47:06 PM

Keep telling yourself you are a genius.

It doesn't require genius-level intelligence to do a few minutes of fact-checking and to seek out more information about a topic. You could manage it, if you were so inclined.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:31:30 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 09:17:51 PM

A light went on and I'm assuming how he meant it is that Michelle Fields is like the boy who cried wolf.

So you think that Manny implied that Fields is "the girl who cried battery," eh?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 15, 2016, 09:42:51 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:21:54 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 15, 2016, 04:47:06 PM
Keep telling yourself you are a genius.

It doesn't require genius-level intelligence to do a few minutes of fact-checking and to seek out more information about a topic. You could manage it, if you were so inclined.

Like what, that Michelle Fields has leveled the same charges 4 other times at other guys?

That last year she was sued for defamation after claiming some other guy harassed her?

That her Honduran-born mother has as a main source of income, running a nonprofit for illegal immigrants in Los Angeles that receives a substantial portion of its funding from the U.S. and California tax payers?

You are like the BlackLivesMatter folks that always choose some drug-dealing violent felon as their sainted symbol of oppression...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 09:45:28 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:31:30 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 09:17:51 PM
A light went on and I'm assuming how he meant it is that Michelle Fields is like the boy who cried wolf.

So you think that Manny implied that Fields is "the girl who cried battery," eh?

What I think is that you truly should seek medical attention from a highly qualified Psychologist. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:56:53 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 15, 2016, 09:42:51 PM

Like what, that Michelle Fields has leveled the same charges 4 other times at other guys?

That last year she was sued for defamation after claiming some other guy harassed her?

That her Honduran-born mother has as a main source of income, running a nonprofit for illegal immigrants in Los Angeles that receives a substantial portion of its funding from the U.S. and California tax payers?

No, like Lewandowski bringing a loaded handgun, three magazines, a holster, and ammunition into the Longworth House Office Building and claiming that it was an accident.

Anyway, I get it: you dream of being a real man like Corey Lewandowski but you should set your sights higher and dream of being a real man like Donald Trump. :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 15, 2016, 10:28:16 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 09:45:28 PM

What I think is that you truly should seek medical attention from a highly qualified Psychologist.

Perhaps Manny can negotiate a group rate for RUA members. (That's a lot of potential business!)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 15, 2016, 10:56:00 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 10:28:16 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 09:45:28 PM
What I think is that you truly should seek medical attention from a highly qualified Psychologist.

Perhaps Manny can negotiate a group rate for RUA members. (That's a lot of potential business!)

T2 is really feeling the Bern.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 15, 2016, 11:09:55 PM

The author of this article is a Cruz delegate who knows how to smell the coffee and read the tea leaves:

Outlier or Omen? Fox Poll Shows Donald Trump Widening Lead as John Kasich Surges (Vs Cruz):

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/15/outlier-or-omen-fox-poll-shows-donald-trump-widening-lead-as-john-kasich-surges/

The latest Fox News poll shows Donald Trump opening an 18-point lead nationwide over second place Texas Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97%

It’s a big jump from three weeks ago, when Fox News showed Trump with a narrow 3-point lead over Cruz, 41-38.

Trump’s gain, according to the poll, is due more to a collapse of support for Cruz rather than a jump in support for the leader.

In this survey, Trump has the backing of 45 percent of Republicans nationwide. Three weeks ago, Trump’s support was 41 percent, a change that is within the poll’s margin of error. Cruz’s support, however, has apparently fallen from 38 percent in late March to just 27 percent today.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 15, 2016, 11:33:19 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:56:53 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 15, 2016, 09:42:51 PM
Like what, that Michelle Fields has leveled the same charges 4 other times at other guys?

That last year she was sued for defamation after claiming some other guy harassed her?

That her Honduran-born mother has as a main source of income, running a nonprofit for illegal immigrants in Los Angeles that receives a substantial portion of its funding from the U.S. and California tax payers?

No, like Lewandowski bringing a loaded handgun, three magazines, a holster, and ammunition into the Longworth House Office Building and claiming that it was an accident.

Anyway, I get it: you dream of being a real man like Corey Lewandowski but you should set your sights higher and dream of being a real man like Donald Trump. :sick0012:

I made the mistake of thinking we were talking about a specific incident concerning specific claims and possibly looking for a pattern of past behavior on the part of the person making the claims, not gibbering about unrelated events dating back to 1999.

Here is a court document from Politico, not a hotbed of Trump favoritism http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000153-b92a-d479-abd3-bdee28e20000

He lives in NH, where carrying guns all over the state is normal. You know this, right?

BTW 3x pistol magazines would normally carry at least 9 rounds each, for a total of (at minimum) 27 . He had "several" rounds. A person intending to do damage would have loaded all mags with the max amount.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot... HE WAS ACQUITTED.

He did ask for his gun back, which was denied.

Sorry, what was your point again? How does being acquitted of a charge 17 years ago, have anything to do with the issue at hand?

You're not trying to obfuscate, delay, deny, and squirt some squid ink, are you?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on April 15, 2016, 11:44:06 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 15, 2016, 04:44:07 PM

I told my seven year old today the story of the boy who cried wolf. It is my hope she will absorb the moral of the story rather than absorb it as absolute fact.

Do you really not see any delicious irony in this ? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 16, 2016, 12:15:03 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 15, 2016, 11:33:19 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 09:56:53 PM
Quote from: Slumba on April 15, 2016, 09:42:51 PM
Like what, that Michelle Fields has leveled the same charges 4 other times at other guys?

That last year she was sued for defamation after claiming some other guy harassed her?

That her Honduran-born mother has as a main source of income, running a nonprofit for illegal immigrants in Los Angeles that receives a substantial portion of its funding from the U.S. and California tax payers?

No, like Lewandowski bringing a loaded handgun, three magazines, a holster, and ammunition into the Longworth House Office Building and claiming that it was an accident.

Anyway, I get it: you dream of being a real man like Corey Lewandowski but you should set your sights higher and dream of being a real man like Donald Trump. :sick0012:

I made the mistake of thinking we were talking about a specific incident concerning specific claims and possibly looking for a pattern of past behavior on the part of the person making the claims, not gibbering about unrelated events dating back to 1999.

Here is a court document from Politico, not a hotbed of Trump favoritism http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000153-b92a-d479-abd3-bdee28e20000

He lives in NH, where carrying guns all over the state is normal. You know this, right?

BTW 3x pistol magazines would normally carry at least 9 rounds each, for a total of (at minimum) 27 . He had "several" rounds. A person intending to do damage would have loaded all mags with the max amount.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot... HE WAS ACQUITTED.

He did ask for his gun back, which was denied.

Sorry, what was your point again? How does being acquitted of a charge 17 years ago, have anything to do with the issue at hand?

You're not trying to obfuscate, delay, deny, and squirt some squid ink, are you?

Slumba, there is no sense presenting facts to Tom as he lets them roll off his back like water off a duck. He won't give two seconds looking at something that might change his desired presumption. [Personal attack removed]

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 16, 2016, 09:22:48 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 10:28:16 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 09:45:28 PM
What I think is that you truly should seek medical attention from a highly qualified Psychologist.

Perhaps Manny can negotiate a group rate for RUA members. (That's a lot of potential business!)

Perhaps. In the meantime if I were you I would stop worrying about Michelle Fields and Lewandowski.

They're not worthy of your intellect or time. Seems to me those two were meant for each other and
their little get together was a karmic episode for both. Whether or not they learn anything from it is their problem.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 16, 2016, 09:31:19 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 15, 2016, 10:56:00 PM

T2 is really feeling the Bern.

Naw,

I speculate he's always been in Hillary's camp.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 16, 2016, 10:08:20 AM

So who is "T2"? Terminator 2? I just figured out what a "SJW" is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 16, 2016, 10:31:04 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 16, 2016, 10:08:20 AM

So who is "T2"? Terminator 2? I just figured out what a "SJW" is.

T squared - Tom T

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on April 16, 2016, 10:53:25 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 09:17:51 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 15, 2016, 08:54:06 PM
Quote from: Anteros on April 15, 2016, 06:57:49 PM
I must be having a brain spasm because I can't figure out how the two statements are related but would be fascinated if you could explain it.

The mythical boy who cried wolf and the tale of Adam and Eve are both metaphors that convey object lessons.

A light went on and I'm assuming how he meant it is that Michelle Fields is like the boy who cried wolf.

I'd avoid cryptic crosswords if I were you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 16, 2016, 11:45:29 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 15, 2016, 11:33:19 PM

I made the mistake of thinking we were talking about a specific incident concerning specific claims and possibly looking for a pattern of past behavior on the part of the person making the claims, not gibbering about unrelated events dating back to 1999.

One who is prone to cherry-picking but is weak on analysis is bound to make mistakes. I was commenting on Lewandowski's pattern of behavior: he still commits crimes and he still lies about them. You disregard this because it doesn't support your thesis.

1) People don't normally carry loaded handguns mixed in with their dirty laundry.

2) People don't normally bring their dirty laundry into federal buildings.

3) Someone who knows that he is committing a crime might hide a loaded handgun in his dirty laundry.

4) If the handgun was not purchased in D.C., state lines were definitely crossed and commercial airlines flights may have been involved.

This is not complicated for someone with an inquiring mind.

You offered a "court document," written by another lying sphincter, as evidence but there are conflicts:

1) It lists Corey's address as 8 Orchard Lane in Old Saybrook. Did you fact-check this? (Of course you didn't!)

2) It references several rounds of ammunition. (Weasel words)

3) The BS dirty-laundry alibi was not mentioned.

4) Corey was not acquitted; the case did not go to trial.

5) Corey suffered "mental anguish." :ROFL:

p.s. I spent more than two seconds reading the complaint and I didn't report Maxx's attack(s) to moderation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 16, 2016, 01:19:28 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 16, 2016, 11:45:29 AM

One who is prone to cherry-picking but is weak on analysis is bound to make mistakes. I was commenting on Lewandowski's pattern of behavior: he still commits crimes and he still lies about them. You disregard this because it doesn't support your thesis.

You have links to other court docs? Post them.

BTW it was the NYT that mentioned the laundry-bag defense, though I couldn't find a police report or other doc to back it up.

You want to believe the worst about someone, from an incident 17 years ago, that he didn't repeat.

Since that time he worked as a congressional staffer, entered and exited all those buildings many times, no incidents that we can find.

THAT is a pattern and practice of Lewandowski's that I noticed.

You are really going to be disappointed when reality continues to intrude upon your cherished delusions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 16, 2016, 03:48:12 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 16, 2016, 01:19:28 PM

BTW it was the NYT that mentioned the laundry-bag defense, though I couldn't find a police report or other doc to back it up.

Isn't the New York Times as credible as the National Enquirer? You were so quick to condemn Cruz that one might think that you want to believe the worst about someone.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 16, 2016, 04:24:57 PM

Back on topic Ted Cruz just swept all of the delegates in Wyoming. I'm wondering what crybaby response Trump will come up with this time. I actually do think Trump could be good at building a wall on our southern border and improving our economy overall, but the guy sure behaves like a spoiled prima donna!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 16, 2016, 11:18:28 PM

In the latest nationwide Presidential poll Trump is now at 45%, while Cruz is at 27%. In the poll for New York Trump is at 54%, Kasich is at 25% and Cruz at only 16%.

It seems that Cruz's slam on New York Values back during the South Carolina primary is biting him big time in New York.

http://www.politico.com/polls/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 16, 2016, 11:55:48 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 16, 2016, 04:24:57 PM

Back on topic Ted Cruz just swept all of the delegates in Wyoming. I'm wondering what crybaby response Trump will come up with this time. I actually do think Trump could be good at building a wall on our southern border and improving our economy overall, but the guy sure behaves like a spoiled prima donna!

He is being robbed and you blame him? Man Anteros, you are really falling victim to the spin that cheating and voterless "elections" are OK.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 16, 2016, 11:59:12 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 16, 2016, 11:55:48 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 16, 2016, 04:24:57 PM
Back on topic Ted Cruz just swept all of the delegates in Wyoming. I'm wondering what crybaby response Trump will come up with this time. I actually do think Trump could be good at building a wall on our southern border and improving our economy overall, but the guy sure behaves like a spoiled prima donna!

He is being robbed and you blame him? Man Anteros, you are really falling victim to the spin that cheating and voterless "elections" are OK.

No. I am a Trump supporter but I don't give blind allegiance. Trump failed to organize properly in Colorado and he threw the towel in for Wyoming. So be it. He needs to stop complaining IMO about spilt milk and get busy winning the needed 1237 delegates, which I believe he's doing based on latest polls.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 17, 2016, 12:25:58 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 16, 2016, 11:59:12 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 16, 2016, 11:55:48 PM
Quote from: Anteros on April 16, 2016, 04:24:57 PM
Back on topic Ted Cruz just swept all of the delegates in Wyoming. I'm wondering what crybaby response Trump will come up with this time. I actually do think Trump could be good at building a wall on our southern border and improving our economy overall, but the guy sure behaves like a spoiled prima donna!

He is being robbed and you blame him? Man Anteros, you are really falling victim to the spin that cheating and voterless "elections" are OK.

No. I am a Trump supporter but I don't give blind allegiance. Trump failed to organize properly in Colorado and he threw the towel in for Wyoming. So be it. He needs to stop complaining IMO about spilt milk and get busy winning the needed 1237 delegates, which I believe he's doing based on latest polls.

I don't give blind allegiance either but it is not "wining" and "acting like a baby" to say the reality that he is being cheated. Those are the words used against him to justify the theft in the minds of the corrupt or gullible which I do not think you are either one. Agreed he has to step up and put a stop to the voter theft which I think he is doing now. I wouldn't fault him too much. The attacks are coming in ways most people would never think possible and from all over the map in a very large country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 17, 2016, 10:10:10 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 17, 2016, 12:25:58 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 16, 2016, 11:59:12 PM
Quote from: Maxx on April 16, 2016, 11:55:48 PM
Quote from: Anteros on April 16, 2016, 04:24:57 PM
Back on topic Ted Cruz just swept all of the delegates in Wyoming. I'm wondering what crybaby response Trump will come up with this time. I actually do think Trump could be good at building a wall on our southern border and improving our economy overall, but the guy sure behaves like a spoiled prima donna!

He is being robbed and you blame him? Man Anteros, you are really falling victim to the spin that cheating and voterless "elections" are OK.

No. I am a Trump supporter but I don't give blind allegiance. Trump failed to organize properly in Colorado and he threw the towel in for Wyoming. So be it. He needs to stop complaining IMO about spilt milk and get busy winning the needed 1237 delegates, which I believe he's doing based on latest polls.

I don't give blind allegiance either but it is not "wining" and "acting like a baby" to say the reality that he is being cheated. Those are the words used against him to justify the theft in the minds of the corrupt or gullible which I do not think you are either one. Agreed he has to step up and put a stop to the voter theft which I think he is doing now. I wouldn't fault him too much. The attacks are coming in ways most people would never think possible and from all over the map in a very large country.

I don't see it as theft. I like Newt Gingrich's opinion and he didn't see it that way either IIRC. Ted Cruz out hustled Trump in some places and Trump out hustled Cruz. Trump got a lot of delegates and Cruz as far as I know didn't whine about the rules in Florida.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 17, 2016, 10:49:29 AM

You should stop using the word 'whine'. It is a shaming word used by people that both of us do not like to silence us. I seen this used by feminists to silence men who called them on their unfair legislation in regard to V.A.W.A.

And yes it is theft when elections are called off by the party because they fear the outcome.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on April 17, 2016, 10:51:50 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 17, 2016, 10:49:29 AM

And yes it is theft when elections are called off by the party because they fear the outcome.

I would venture to say that it is not very democratic either.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 17, 2016, 11:48:01 AM

Quote from: yankee on April 17, 2016, 10:51:50 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 17, 2016, 10:49:29 AM

And yes it is theft when elections are called off by the party because they fear the outcome.

I would venture to say that it is not very democratic either.

You got that right :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 17, 2016, 03:48:23 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 17, 2016, 10:49:29 AM

You should stop using the word 'whine'. It is a shaming word used by people that both of us do not like to silence us. I seen this used by feminists to silence men who called them on their unfair legislation in regard to V.A.W.A.

And yes it is theft when elections are called off by the party because they fear the outcome.

Okay, sorry. I don't mean to use it as a "shaming" word. It's just a factual word to me. Trump has a lot of strong qualities but his demerits IMO are his complaining too much when the shoe is on the other foot.

In regards to so called "feminists" I see most of them as the scum of the earth, and the men who collaborate with them for $$ or influence just as bad or worse. You know the kind of "man" I'm referring to. So we agree on the use of the word in that case.

I don't as yet see it as "theft" however I'm hoping to see a good program or read some good material about it. Just making blanket statements (like Trump does) doesn't work for me. Again, I'm a Trump fan and I see him as the best of the bunch. Shall we say the lesser of the 5 evils available. And I could be wrong, and Shakespear could be correct, that Trump might misuse the office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 17, 2016, 06:35:42 PM

I was reading an article today about this so maybe I am not alone in the thought.

This "whining" thing can be about the people as well as the Donald. Even if this was known to all for some time, how many people feel that they are disenfranchised and did not realize they had no vote? How well was this put out. Who had a say in it? Evidently a lot of people feel this way. The media wants it all to be only about the Donald.

The whining or perhaps we can call it complaining also seems to raise the Donald in the polls so how much of this could be campaign strategy? You may not like it but it is making a difference.

And if this raises the polls now and it rings a bell with the people then think how it will affect things as we move into the convention. People are already uptight about possible tricks and such. This has made things a bit worse for the establishment.

I for one am not put off by his campaign style. If he is true to his word then we want the same things and most of all he is not establishment. But I do not see him as he is on the stump. I think that if you watch other video's not on the stump you will see a different Trump more mild, friendly, more normal. He is obviously doing something right to be where he is now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 17, 2016, 07:47:10 PM

Good post bagalia. Really it is less about Trump and more about the American people waking up even on the Democrat side. People are finally getting what George Carlin said about the American political system (other countries too) that, "It's a Big Club and you ain't it. You and I are not in the Big Club. And by the way it's the same Big Club they beat you over the head with all day long telling you what to believe. All day long *with their media what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks the game is rigged. Nobody seems to notice and nobody seems to care. Good honest hard working people, white collar, blue collar it doesn't matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard working people continue... and these are people of modest means, who continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don't give a :censored: about them. They don't give a :censored: about you. They don't give a :censored: about you. They don't care about you at all, at all, at all."

vast-majority-americans-dont-trust-news-media
* http://bigstory.ap.org/article/35c595900e0a4ffd99fbdc48a336a6d8/poll-vast-majority-americans-dont-trust-news-media

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 17, 2016, 08:44:07 PM

David Aronberg's wife, Lynn, has a relationship with Donald and Melania Trump.

http://lynnaronberg.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 17, 2016, 08:45:01 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 17, 2016, 07:47:10 PM

Good post bagalia. Really it is less about Trump and more about the American people waking up even on the Democrat side. People are finally getting what George Carlin said about the American political system (other countries too) that, "It's a Big Club and you ain't it. You and I are not in the Big Club. And by the way it's the same Big Club they beat you over the head with all day long telling you what to believe. All day long *with their media what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks the game is rigged. Nobody seems to notice and nobody seems to care. Good honest hard working people, white collar, blue collar it doesn't matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard working people continue... and these are people of modest means, who continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don't give a :censored: about them. They don't give a :censored: about you. They don't give a :censored: about you. They don't care about you at all, at all, at all."

vast-majority-americans-dont-trust-news-media
* http://bigstory.ap.org/article/35c595900e0a4ffd99fbdc48a336a6d8/poll-vast-majority-americans-dont-trust-news-media

Thanks Maxx! George Carlin was a true master comedian. If you're ever a bit down, just watch a classic Carlin video. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 17, 2016, 08:46:49 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 17, 2016, 08:44:07 PM

David Aronberg's wife, Lynn, has a relationship with Donald and Melania Trump.

http://lynnaronberg.com/

Still obsessing over that situation I see. :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 18, 2016, 04:20:12 AM

Donald Trump picks up the important endorsement of a retired NY Police Officers association. The number one reason they endorsed Trump is his stance against illegal immigration.

Quote:

“Immigration is important to us because for many years we have been arresting illegal immigrants committing rape, robbery and murder,” said Lou Telano, president of the association, without citing any specific crimes.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/retired-ny-police-group-endorses-donald-trump-article-1.2604861

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 18, 2016, 07:49:50 AM

We're looking at this the wrong way . . . . . . . . . .

Here is the current delegate count:

Trump: 744
Cruz: 559
Rubio: 171
Kasich: 144
Carson: 9
Bush: 4
Fiorina: 1
Huckabee: 1
Paul: 1

This is a total of 1634
There is a total of 2472 delegates available

2472 - 1634 = 838 remaining to be awarded

1237 - 744 = 493 needed for Trump to claim nomination

838 - 494 = 344 earned by either Cruz or Kasich to prevent Trump from nomination on first ballot

I'll be keeping track of how many delegates the "anti-Trump" people need to prevent him from winning on the first ballot. I expect it will come in the California primary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 18, 2016, 08:51:38 AM

People who call Trump a clown and idiot are projecting what they themselves are - he did not build a $10 Billion global empire with over 22,000 employees under the most hostile Anti-business Obamunist regime with less than average 2% GDP over the past 7.5 years and less than 1% GDP now ... because he is stupid.

Quite the contrary - the Convention rules are really wide open for personal deal making... campaigns can reimburse travel expenses to the Convention delegates but more importantly, the winning candidate can make all sorts of personal fundraiser event appearances deals with delegates in their home States and Cities for the delegates favorite local House, Senate and State Governors races...

Now if the Donald does a $1 Million fundraiser (he raised $6 Million for Veterans in one night) for select delegates and state GOP Candidates do you think those delegates might get a nice fat cat political appointment $200K job back in their home State - YOU BETCHA! Commissioner of Farms and Lands, State Railroad Commissioner, Fish and Game Commissioner, Energy Fracking and Drilling Commissioner... Diverse Commissions Commissioner, Commissioner of University Diversity... Commissioner of Business Development and Technical Resources... get the idea...

There will be several hundred feral free range unbound delegates at the Convention... Trump's new convention manager Manafort only needs to wrangle between 50 to 150 max - Now there is a real number for Shakes to chew on.

Kasich will likely be VP which will give him an eventual path to POTUS as well. Not sure at 70 if Mr. Trump wants to serve 8 long years as he can get most of his changes implemented within 4 or 5 years and retire as Chairman of his family empire and enjoy his golden years with his family.

Game, Set, Match - Checkmate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 18, 2016, 08:55:51 AM

Now for a real bit of good news:

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/ronald-kessler-hillary-indictment-obama/2016/04/15/id/724214/

Veteran journalist Ronald Kessler tells Newsmax TV that Hillary Clinton will likely be indicted before the general election for using a private email server to conduct classified government business as secretary of state — but will likely be pardoned by President Barack Obama.

"Definitely before November. Possibly in a month or two," Kessler said Friday on "The Steve Malzberg Show."

Breaking News at Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/ronald-kessler-hillary-indictment-obama/2016/04/15/id/724214/#ixzz46BrHYtoG
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Existing law is very broad, making it a felony to handle classified information with gross negligence, Kessler said. "By definition, putting classified information on an unsecured server is gross negligence.

"You saw President Obama trying to make excuses for her. I think he's leading up to giving a pardon to Hillary, but there's no question. She will be indicted," Kessler said.

"Jim Comey, the FBI director, is a man of great integrity. I think [Attorney General] Loretta Lynch is as well … not political in the way Eric Holder was. No question she will be indicted."

Kessler — a former Washington Post reporter and author of "The First Family Detail: Secret Service Agents Reveal the Hidden Lives of the Presidents," published by Crown Forum — said that even if Clinton is pardoned, the damage will have been done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 18, 2016, 08:58:55 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 18, 2016, 08:51:38 AM

Now if the Donald does a $1 Million fundraiser (he raised $6 Million for Veterans in one night) for select delegates and state GOP Candidates do you think those delegates might get a nice fat cat political appointment $200K job back in their home State - YOU BETCHA! Commissioner of Farms and Lands, State Railroad Commissioner, Fish and Game Commissioner, Energy Fracking and Drilling Commissioner... Diverse Commissions Commissioner, Commissioner of University Diversity... Commissioner of Business Development and Technical Resources... get the idea...

I get the idea that Donald will not be much different than other recent Presidents.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 18, 2016, 09:17:36 AM

Cufflinks, I hope that you are right.

If the stuff she seems to have done is true then she has broken the trust placed in her. She has committed crimes, been dishonest.

If there is no indictment (or if the FBI do not make a clear statement as to why she will not be indicted that fits the known facts) then the integrity of US law enforcement and high political and bureaucratic power will be heavily damaged and in a very public way.

From what I have seen, I very much doubt that she will ever go to court over these matters. The system is too firmly stacked against such a thing ever happening. If she is indicted I can't see how sensible people (and there are millions of them) will vote for her even if pardoned (or a court case never happens). I reckon the indictment is very important to the United States.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 18, 2016, 09:40:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 18, 2016, 09:17:36 AM

Cufflinks, I hope that you are right.

If the stuff she seems to have done is true then she has broken the trust placed in her. She has committed crimes, been dishonest.

If there is no indictment (or if the FBI do not make a clear statement as to why she will not be indicted that fits the known facts) then the integrity of US law enforcement and high political and bureaucratic power will be heavily damaged and in a very public way.

From what I have seen, I very much doubt that she will ever go to court over these matters. The system is too firmly stacked against such a thing ever happening. If she is indicted I can't see how sensible people (and there are millions of them) will vote for her even if pardoned (or a court case never happens). I reckon the indictment is very important to the United States.

The head of the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) has proven to be a very politically neutral but passionate administrator. He has investigated cases that were of conservative elements and those with a decided left leaning flavour with the same rather detached thoroughness. My impression is he is the man for the job, both impartial and consistent.

As for Loretta Lynch, Attorney General, I have decidedly negative opinion of her and how she has prosecuted cases.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 18, 2016, 09:54:51 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 18, 2016, 08:51:38 AM

Now if the Donald does a $1 Million fundraiser (he raised $6 Million for Veterans in one night) for select delegates and state GOP Candidates do you think those delegates might get a nice fat cat political appointment $200K job back in their home State - YOU BETCHA! Commissioner of Farms and Lands, State Railroad Commissioner, Fish and Game Commissioner, Energy Fracking and Drilling Commissioner... Diverse Commissions Commissioner, Commissioner of University Diversity... Commissioner of Business Development and Technical Resources... get the idea...

Game, Set, Match - Checkmate.

Such promises are only as good as the candidates ability to win the General Election.

Trump has yet to poll ahead, or even close to within the margin of error on ANY POLL pairing him against Hillary Clinton.

These delegates are professional Republican operatives. They understand this. Better to accept the good graces of the County Republican Party Chairman and be selected as a delegate in 2020 by following his direction on voting rather than "chase a flyer" with Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 18, 2016, 11:59:06 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 18, 2016, 09:54:51 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 18, 2016, 08:51:38 AM
Now if the Donald does a $1 Million fundraiser (he raised $6 Million for Veterans in one night) for select delegates and state GOP Candidates do you think those delegates might get a nice fat cat political appointment $200K job back in their home State - YOU BETCHA! Commissioner of Farms and Lands, State Railroad Commissioner, Fish and Game Commissioner, Energy Fracking and Drilling Commissioner... Diverse Commissions Commissioner, Commissioner of University Diversity... Commissioner of Business Development and Technical Resources... get the idea...

Game, Set, Match - Checkmate.

Such promises are only as good as the candidates ability to win the General Election.

Trump has yet to poll ahead, or even close to within the margin of error on ANY POLL pairing him against Hillary Clinton.

These delegates are professional Republican operatives. They understand this. Better to accept the good graces of the County Republican Party Chairman and be selected as a delegate in 2020 by following his direction on voting rather than "chase a flyer" with Trump.

Trump will break down Clinton into a miserable failure with 3 issues:

1. The women issue. Trump will hammer home that when Hillary was a potential first lady and also when she was first lady she used her position to humiliate any and all women who came forward with claims that Bill harassed and/or raped them. You will see very successful ads which will hammer home that she abuses women, if it interferes with her power.

2. She's going to be hammered again and again for telling the mother of a dead Benghazi special forces soldier that it was a spontaneous outbreak due to a bogus video which resulted in the killing, when in fact she emailed heads of state that it was indeed a terrorist act which had been well planned. They will have that mother featured in a video calling Hillary a LIAR, you can guarantee it.

3. They will hammer home her felonies in using a private email server which resulted in major loss of intelligence to foreign nations such as Russia and China, as well as her abuse of office to get money for her foundation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 18, 2016, 12:23:23 PM

Quote from: bagalia on April 17, 2016, 06:35:42 PM

The whining or perhaps we can call it complaining also seems to raise the Donald in the polls so how much of this could be campaign strategy? You may not like it but it is making a difference.

Oh it's definitely a campaign strategy aimed directly at the lowest common denominator on the intelligence scale.

No whining from Trump when he won the Florida Primary with 45.7% of the vote and captured all 99 delegates thereby disenfranchising the majority that voted for Rubio (27.0%), Cruz (17.1%) and Kasich (6.8%). He's got no complaint with "those" rules but constantly cries and bitches about the rules in Colorado or Wyoming? That's whining, plain and simple.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 18, 2016, 12:42:03 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 18, 2016, 11:59:06 AM

1. The women issue. Trump will hammer home that when Hillary was a potential first lady and also when she was first lady she used her position to humiliate any and all women who came forward with claims that Bill harassed and/or raped them. You will see very successful ads which will hammer home that she abuses women, if it interferes with her power.

Trump has a 59% negative rating with women registered voters. Such a tactic will not play well as it will be seen exactly for what it is; fabrication meant to cover the fact American women believe that the only quality Trump respects about women is their physical beauty.

Quote from: Anteros on April 18, 2016, 11:59:06 AM

2. She's going to be hammered again and again for telling the mother of a dead Benghazi special forces soldier that it was a spontaneous outbreak due to a bogus video which resulted in the killing, when in fact she emailed heads of state that it was indeed a terrorist act which had been well planned. They will have that mother featured in a video calling Hillary a LIAR, you can guarantee it.

Polls have already shown that this issue is not rated as a high priority with most independent voters.

I think Hillary is much more vulnerable on the issue of her lack of performance and professionalism while serving as Secretary of State as a whole. Did you read her book? No? It's excusable because nobody else did either. In her book she claimed that the whole Libya success was at her initiative and a result of her policies. Obama in his interview with Chris Wallace on April 10 was asked what the greatest disappointment in his Presidency was. Without hesitation he said the handling of the Libyan situation. Even Obama thought she was a failure.

Quote from: Anteros on April 18, 2016, 11:59:06 AM

3. They will hammer home her felonies in using a private email server which resulted in major loss of intelligence to foreign nations such as Russia and China, as well as her abuse of office to get money for her foundation.

Hillary appears to be as bulletproof on this topic to her followers as Trump is on his shortcomings to his followers.

Voters have overwhelmingly indicated that the economy is the most important issue in this upcoming election.

If Trump focuses his campaign on the 3 points listed above and immigration reform, he'll lose the General Election by 20 points, the Republicans will lose 6 seats in the Senate, and barely maintain a majority in the House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 18, 2016, 03:27:11 PM

Cruz stated that he has "zero interest whatsoever" in being on the ticket with Trump and, "if Donald is the nominee, Hillary wins... by double digits..."

It's a self-serving comment, to be sure, but he is probably right. He has been polling much better against Clinton than Trump but, recently, he has lost his edge. It is difficult to tell whether his lower numbers are related to the scandal or if they are just an interesting coincidence but, either way, his claim that he can beat Hillary is losing credibility. The chart below shows when the National Enquirer story broke.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 18, 2016, 03:36:54 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 18, 2016, 03:27:11 PM

Cruz stated that he has "zero interest whatsoever" in being on the ticket with Trump and, "if Donald is the nominee, Hillary wins... by double digits..."

It's a self-serving comment, to be sure, but he is probably right. He has been polling much better against Clinton than Trump but, recently, he has lost his edge. It is difficult to tell whether his lower numbers are related to the scandal or if they are just an interesting coincidence but, either way, his claim that he can beat Hillary is losing credibility. The chart below shows when the National Enquirer story broke.

I don't see that at all Tom.

Take the three most recent polls and he's inside the margin of error.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 18, 2016, 03:42:26 PM

^ That may be true but he was tracking above Clinton for several months. All things being equal, one would rather be a few points above than a few points below, even if it's all within the margin of error. Two or three more months of polling should clarify the situation. Nonetheless, he didn't do himself any favors in his response to the story, especially blaming it on Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 18, 2016, 04:00:26 PM

Obama will pardon Hill and Bill because he needs her pardon for his numerous Drone strike war crimes on collateral civilians including the Afghan Doctors without Borders Hospital - gung ho Chicago gangsta ordered far more strikes than GW and lots more innocents killed due to crap on the ground intel, Taliban sabotage and insufficient forward ground fire control and culling the experienced Generals and Admirals (forced retirements) who would not buy his Marxist Militant Feminist pro LGBTQ agenda for the DoD.

Therefore it will be Hillary POTUS Bernie VPOTUS on the DEM ticket.

Versus

Trump POTUS and Kasich VPOTUS on the GOP Ticket.

Trump wins with Kasich and loses with Cruz.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 18, 2016, 06:39:05 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on April 18, 2016, 09:40:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 18, 2016, 09:17:36 AM
Cufflinks, I hope that you are right.

If the stuff she seems to have done is true then she has broken the trust placed in her. She has committed crimes, been dishonest.

If there is no indictment (or if the FBI do not make a clear statement as to why she will not be indicted that fits the known facts) then the integrity of US law enforcement and high political and bureaucratic power will be heavily damaged and in a very public way.

From what I have seen, I very much doubt that she will ever go to court over these matters. The system is too firmly stacked against such a thing ever happening. If she is indicted I can't see how sensible people (and there are millions of them) will vote for her even if pardoned (or a court case never happens). I reckon the indictment is very important to the United States.

The head of the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) has proven to be a very politically neutral but passionate administrator. He has investigated cases that were of conservative elements and those with a decided left leaning flavour with the same rather detached thoroughness. My impression is he is the man for the job, both impartial and consistent.

As for Loretta Lynch, Attorney General, I have decidedly negative opinion of her and how she has prosecuted cases.

Louis Freeh was also very well respected. Despite the many many crimes of the Clintons back then, he also delivered "bupkis".

Don't expect justice from anything at the Federal level. They are all crooked and on the take.

Freeh's silence was well rewarded: have a look at his post-FBI director life. He is paid a lot of money to be a soothing voice of reason and calm in public, while in private being basically a fixer.

Nothing is more damning of Freeh, than the way Penn State handled the Jerry Sandusky pedophilia case, with his paid assistance. Apparently it was all 81-year-old Paterno's (who was dying of lung cancer) fault and no one other than Sandusky was involved. Be sure that 10-20 years from now the truth will come out that shows many prominent guys were involved.

Freeh is basically Sgt. Schultz from the old Hogan's Heroes TV series: "I know nussing!"

I have zero confidence that his successors are/were any better.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 19, 2016, 11:38:27 AM

Trump interviews Cruz. (SNL parody)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 19, 2016, 12:12:22 PM

Trump doomed.

In the congressional districts OUTSIDE of New York City Trump is below 50%.

This means if either Cruz or Kasich is above 20% they will get one delegate.

Trump could lose as many as 20 votes in New York.

All the "predictions" calculated that Trump would win all 96.

Trump will now be short between 60 and 150.

Contested convention has been assured since Ohio and confirmed in Wisconsin.

http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2016/04/15/red-alert-trump-50-statewide-new-york-poll/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 19, 2016, 12:41:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 19, 2016, 12:12:22 PM

Trump doomed.

In the congressional districts OUTSIDE of New York City Trump is below 50%.

This means if either Cruz or Kasich is above 20% they will get one delegate.

Trump could lose as many as 20 votes in New York.

All the "predictions" calculated that Trump would win all 96.

Trump will now be short between 60 and 150.

Contested convention has been assured since Ohio and confirmed in Wisconsin.

http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2016/04/15/red-alert-trump-50-statewide-new-york-poll/

LOL 60 to 150 Delegates a very easy number to wrangle for a polished professional like Trump's new Convention Manager Manafort... backed up by Roger Stones outdoor ground game at http://stopthesteal.org/

The Big Steal from Donald J. Trump is on- and only you can stop it.

The Bush-Cruz-Rubio-Romney-Ryan-McConnell faction has united and is moving into high gear to steal the nomination from Trump. The immediate plan is an all-out bid to deprive Donald Trump of victory – and to steal the delegates to defeat him.

The power-brokers’ short term game is clear; stall Trump just short of the magic number of delegates needed to be nominated on the first ballot with the knowledge that many delegates bound on the first ballot by Trump primary and caucus victories would be unbound on a second ballot. Much in the way the RNC stacked the galleries with anti-Trump partisans in the last two debates, anti-Trump quislings are being planted in various delegations that will be free to betray Trump on subsequent ballots.

That’s why we have called for a STOP THE STEAL MARCH ON CLEVELAND- July 18 to 21- four days of non-violent demonstrations, protests and lobbying delegates face to face. We must send the GOP a clear signal thru our sheer numbers that we will not vote Republican nor work for the ticket if Donald Trump is robbed. The insiders plan to totally ignore the will of the voters and use legal trickery and bribery to try to steal. Incredibly bribing delegates for their votes is NOT illegal.

We plan the biggest Rally in Cleveland history. We must own the streets. In numbers there is strength.

We need YOU to come to Cleveland and make your voice heard. Even if you can’t come to Cleveland you can help this vital effort. I’ll explain in a minute.

That why we must bring thousands of Trump partisans to Cleveland. We must express our rage over the hijacking of democracy. We must dominate Cleveland. Will you help us?

Some Republican state chairmen, for example, in Texas, New York, Massachusetts, Michigan, Connecticut, North Dakota, and other states, are planting “Trojan Horse” delegates into slots won by Trump on the first ballot.

The second part of their audacious plan is to use procedural votes to adopt rules for the convention as recommended by the Rules Committee and the seating of the delegates as recommended by the Credentials Committee, neither of which will favor Donald Trump in any way. Those key committees are made up of two members from each state and the conspirators have been quietly placing their establishment stooges in these positions. This poses the gravest danger to Trump.

The full convention must ratify the Rules and Committee plans to allow the big steal. This is when these hidden delegates will rob Trump. They will shove Mitt Romney, John Kasich or Paul Ryan down our throat. Jeb Bush has his way to get on a late ballot.

Here's how they plan to do it.

Rick Perry George P. Bush (the Texas Land Commissioner) and Ted Cruz have teamed up to pack the Texas delegation – including the 40% delegates pledged to Trump who will be hard-core Trump opponents free to vote for rules that make the Big Steal from Trump possible or to unseat Trump delegates to help the big steal in Cleveland.

Trump won Louisiana’s Republican presidential primary by almost 4% points, but Cruz has grabbed 10 more delegates from the state than Trump. Mr. Cruz’s supporters also seized five of Louisiana’s six slots on the three most important committees that will adopt the rules and platform at the Convention and decide who gets to vote this summer in Cleveland.

Trump and Cruz each won 18 delegates apiece based on the Louisiana results in the primary on March 5. But the five delegates awarded to Rubio are now free agents because he dropped out and they will swing behind Mr. Cruz. The state’s five unbound delegates—who are free to back the candidates of their choice—are “regulars” who will vote for Cruz, GOP insiders told me.

Will YOU help us stop the big steal? Even if you can’t make to Cleveland you have an important role to play!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 19, 2016, 12:56:02 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 19, 2016, 12:41:03 PM

The Bush-Cruz-Rubio-Romney-Ryan-McConnell faction has united and is moving into high gear to steal the nomination from Trump. The immediate plan is an all-out bid to deprive Donald Trump of victory – and to steal the delegates to defeat him.

If Trump doesn't get to 1237 on the first ballot, there is no steal . . . . . . . .

:nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 19, 2016, 05:29:37 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 19, 2016, 12:56:02 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 19, 2016, 12:41:03 PM
The Bush-Cruz-Rubio-Romney-Ryan-McConnell faction has united and is moving into high gear to steal the nomination from Trump. The immediate plan is an all-out bid to deprive Donald Trump of victory – and to steal the delegates to defeat him.

If Trump doesn't get to 1237 on the first ballot, there is no steal . . . . . . . .

:nod:

But if you say "steal" and "stolen" enough times now it will look that way to a majority of Rep voters later regardless of the rules of the game. Bernie is playing the same game.

Let Cruz play his game and let the party play its game. Trump is playing a third game. Who will blink first?

But he will get his votes on the first round anyway so it is just backup.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 19, 2016, 06:38:41 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 19, 2016, 11:38:27 AM

Trump interviews Cruz. (SNL parody)

I could only take 3:12 minutes of it. Cruz is such a sleazy double talking politician. :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 19, 2016, 06:49:15 PM

Quote from: bagalia on April 19, 2016, 05:29:37 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 19, 2016, 12:56:02 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on April 19, 2016, 12:41:03 PM
The Bush-Cruz-Rubio-Romney-Ryan-McConnell faction has united and is moving into high gear to steal the nomination from Trump. The immediate plan is an all-out bid to deprive Donald Trump of victory – and to steal the delegates to defeat him.

If Trump doesn't get to 1237 on the first ballot, there is no steal . . . . . . . .

:nod:

But if you say "steal" and "stolen" enough times now it will look that way to a majority of Rep voters later regardless of the rules of the game. Bernie is playing the same game.

Let Cruz play his game and let the party play its game. Trump is playing a third game. Who will blink first?

But he will get his votes on the first round anyway so it is just backup.

The rules were created in such a way so the GOP could steal the election in the event that there is a wining nationalist candidate. The GOP doesn't want a candidate for the poor and middle class. They want one that will protect their power and interests. Finally Rush Limbaugh is coming around and saying it. http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/18/limbaugh-republican-establishment-will-vote-for-hillary-over-trump-in-order-to-keep-power-audio/

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Limbaugh said, “If the guy gets close to 1,237 but still has the majority in delegates, and they take the nomination away from him, we’re gonna lose the voters, right? What’s gonna happen? Folks — Patience. Patience, Rush. The Republican establishment is prepared to vote for Hillary Clinton if it means holding onto their fiefdoms.”

Later Limbaugh argued, “In fact, if Ted Cruz is the nominee and loses the general, the party will be happy. They’ll be able to blame the loss on conservatives and conservatism and be done — once and for all — with conservatism in the party.”

So according to Rush Limbaugh it's guys like Shakespear who are risking the Republican party and will be responsible if Hillary gets in.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Eduard on April 19, 2016, 07:35:12 PM

I remember 8 years ago when "Obama as president of the US" was started! I guess it's time America gets a Slavic First Lady! LOL :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 19, 2016, 09:39:00 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 19, 2016, 12:12:22 PM

Trump doomed.

In the congressional districts OUTSIDE of New York City Trump is below 50%.

This means if either Cruz or Kasich is above 20% they will get one delegate.

Trump could lose as many as 20 votes in New York.

All the "predictions" calculated that Trump would win all 96.

Trump will now be short between 60 and 150.

Contested convention has been assured since Ohio and confirmed in Wisconsin.

http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2016/04/15/red-alert-trump-50-statewide-new-york-poll/

Wow! Man you are still delusional! :laugh: Furthermore I love what Donald Trump Jr. said about arcane party rules in Colorado that allowed Cruz to get those delegates. It's simply NOT the will of the people. Happy to say Shakespear but your type of Republican, what I call a Republican In Name Only, is on the way out.

If the party continues to attempt to obstruct the will of the people, there will not be a Republican party for long.

However you need to face reality: Trump is now the presumptive nominee. Nothing you can do or say, nothing weasel Mitch McConnell can do or say, will stop the will of the people.

Please don't spend my $300 on expensive cigars or psychotherapy if you're depressed. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 19, 2016, 09:41:53 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 19, 2016, 06:38:41 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 19, 2016, 11:38:27 AM
Trump interviews Cruz. (SNL parody)

I could only take 3:12 minutes of it. Cruz is such a sleazy double talking politician. :sick0012:

I didn't like it for Cruz, I liked it for Fallon. Too bad you didn't make it thru it, it gets better at the end.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 19, 2016, 09:45:04 PM

Quote from: Eduard on April 19, 2016, 07:35:12 PM

I remember 8 years ago when "Obama as president of the US" was started! I guess it's time America gets a Slavic First Lady! LOL :chuckle:

Welcome to this thread, Eduard! How goes it? You should post more often bud!

Yes, a Slavic beauty will show the last few First Ladies how it's done, again. Like Nancy Reagan -- someone with grace and style.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 20, 2016, 12:07:42 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 19, 2016, 12:12:22 PM

Trump doomed.

In the congressional districts OUTSIDE of New York City Trump is below 50%.

This means if either Cruz or Kasich is above 20% they will get one delegate.

Trump could lose as many as 20 votes in New York.

All the "predictions" calculated that Trump would win all 96.

Trump will now be short between 60 and 150.

Contested convention has been assured since Ohio and confirmed in Wisconsin.

http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2016/04/15/red-alert-trump-50-statewide-new-york-poll/

So, now that the results are in:

Would you say that your sources of information, that you about wrote above, resulted in you having a correct conclusion?

BTW, exit polls showed that even post-grads went for Trump, 51% .

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/primaries/NY

(you have to click around to get to the Republican section)

Which best describes your education?

(as I read this, the %age shows the number of people who answered they were in this category, then, of that category, who they voted for. e.g. 18% of those polled had high school or less, of them, Trump won 69% of votes)

High school or less 18%
Trump 69%
Kasich 17%
Cruz 15%

Some college/assoc. degree 31%
Trump 62%
Kasich 20%
Cruz 17%

College graduate 28%
Trump 57%
Kasich 29%
Cruz 14%

Postgraduate study 22%
Trump 51%
Kasich 35%
Cruz 13%

Yup, those dumbazz college grads and even post-grads... they're really low-info voters, yes?

So why did a majority of college graduates and post-grads choose Trump? Just dimwitted I guess. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 20, 2016, 04:10:42 AM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 20, 2016, 07:07:06 AM

It's amusing that Trump's supporters are celebrating the outcome of the New York primary because every delegate that he acquires puts Clinton closer to the White House. Paddy knows the score and has adjusted the odds accordingly; Hillary was upgraded to 1/3 after the New York primary results were announced.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 20, 2016, 07:13:04 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 20, 2016, 12:07:42 AM

High school or less 18%
Trump 69%
Kasich 17%
Cruz 15%

Some college/assoc. degree 31%
Trump 62%
Kasich 20%
Cruz 17%

College graduate 28%
Trump 57%
Kasich 29%
Cruz 14%

Postgraduate study 22%
Trump 51%
Kasich 35%
Cruz 13%

Yup, those dumbazz college grads and even post-grads... they're really low-info voters, yes?

So why did a majority of college graduates and post-grads choose Trump? Just dimwitted I guess. :ROFL:

The trend should be obvious, even to you: the likelihood of favoring Trump has an inverse correlation to education.

Here is an example of one of the more highly educated Trump supporters:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 20, 2016, 08:08:47 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 20, 2016, 07:13:04 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 20, 2016, 12:07:42 AM

High school or less 18%
Trump 69%
Kasich 17%
Cruz 15%

Some college/assoc. degree 31%
Trump 62%
Kasich 20%
Cruz 17%

College graduate 28%
Trump 57%
Kasich 29%
Cruz 14%

Postgraduate study 22%
Trump 51%
Kasich 35%
Cruz 13%

Yup, those dumbazz college grads and even post-grads... they're really low-info voters, yes?

So why did a majority of college graduates and post-grads choose Trump? Just dimwitted I guess. :ROFL:

The trend should be obvious, even to you: the livelihood of favoring Trump has an inverse correlation to education.

That is because the high school grads are more likely to be the unemployed manufacturing employees.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 09:01:28 AM

Donald Trump Jr. called his father a "blue collar Billionaire" because Trump cares the most about the people who built this great country. Heaven forbid if a politician actually reaches out in a genuine way to people like that. We know the so called "elites" are truly only in it for themselves and their people. They sold this country out to foreign manufacturing and interests. Not knowing that a country which does not manufacture, dies.

Of course Shakespear and Tom call these "low information voters". I posit that the low information voters are those who would vote for Hillary, or those who favor RINO's like McConnell and now Ryan. In the Republican party those who favor keeping the system over change and getting back to basics -- those are the low information voters, because their way results in the collapse of this country as we know it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 09:04:00 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 20, 2016, 07:07:06 AM

It's amusing that Trump's supporters are celebrating the outcome of the New York primary because every delegate that he acquires puts Clinton closer to the White House. Paddy knows the score and has adjusted the odds accordingly; Hillary was upgraded to 1/3 after the New York primary results were announced.

It's even more amusing that you continue to think that a poll could be accurate, before the real election even starts! :ROFL:

Only a fool would continue believing hype, but there were fools back when Jimmy Carter ran, and back when Dukaka ran.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 20, 2016, 09:04:33 AM

Tom, the truth is that those figures illustrate the lie about Trump supporters all being uneducated or dumb. That simply is not a conclusion that can be drawn from those numbers.

What those numbers suggest is that across the population there is a strong consensus of dissatisfaction with the status quo.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 20, 2016, 09:18:01 AM

^ If someone wrote that all of Trump's supporters are uneducated or dumb, I missed it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 20, 2016, 09:20:25 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 09:04:00 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 20, 2016, 07:07:06 AM
It's amusing that Trump's supporters are celebrating the outcome of the New York primary because every delegate that he acquires puts Clinton closer to the White House. Paddy knows the score and has adjusted the odds accordingly; Hillary was upgraded to 1/3 after the New York primary results were announced.

It's even more amusing that you continue to think that a poll could be accurate, before the real election even starts! :ROFL:

Only a fool would continue believing hype, but there were fools back when Jimmy Carter ran, and back when Dukaka ran.

Only a fool would start rattling on about a poll when it's clear the Paddy Powers is about betting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 20, 2016, 10:49:32 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 20, 2016, 09:20:25 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 09:04:00 AM
Quote from: TomT on April 20, 2016, 07:07:06 AM
It's amusing that Trump's supporters are celebrating the outcome of the New York primary because every delegate that he acquires puts Clinton closer to the White House. Paddy knows the score and has adjusted the odds accordingly; Hillary was upgraded to 1/3 after the New York primary results were announced.

It's even more amusing that you continue to think that a poll could be accurate, before the real election even starts! :ROFL:

Only a fool would continue believing hype, but there were fools back when Jimmy Carter ran, and back when Dukaka ran.

Only a fool would start rattling on about a poll when it's clear the Paddy Powers is about betting.

Yet you will never tell us who you are for and why.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Eduard on April 20, 2016, 11:02:08 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 19, 2016, 09:45:04 PM

Quote from: Eduard on April 19, 2016, 07:35:12 PM
I remember 8 years ago when "Obama as president of the US" was started! I guess it's time America gets a Slavic First Lady! LOL :chuckle:

Welcome to this thread, Eduard! How goes it? You should post more often bud!

Yes, a Slavic beauty will show the last few First Ladies how it's done, again. Like Nancy Reagan -- someone with grace and style.

everything is good, thanks for the warm welcome! tiphat How are you doing?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steamer on April 20, 2016, 11:39:09 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 20, 2016, 09:04:33 AM

What those numbers suggest is that across the population there is a strong consensus of dissatisfaction with the status quo.

This is the core of Trumps popularity. Bernies also.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 11:53:07 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 20, 2016, 09:20:25 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 09:04:00 AM
Quote from: TomT on April 20, 2016, 07:07:06 AM
It's amusing that Trump's supporters are celebrating the outcome of the New York primary because every delegate that he acquires puts Clinton closer to the White House. Paddy knows the score and has adjusted the odds accordingly; Hillary was upgraded to 1/3 after the New York primary results were announced.

It's even more amusing that you continue to think that a poll could be accurate, before the real election even starts! :ROFL:

Only a fool would continue believing hype, but there were fools back when Jimmy Carter ran, and back when Dukaka ran.

Only a fool would start rattling on about a poll when it's clear the Paddy Powers is about betting.

Whether it's a poll or a betting site matters not to me. It's you who has been citing polls, and now you cite a betting site.

Same foolish behavior IMO to believe that any opinion regarding a possible Clinton versus Trump match-up at this early stage is meaningful.

The historical evidence shows that I'm right: Reagan was way down yet he defeated Carter and Bush Sr. was way down yet he defeated Dukakis.

You're obviously a Hillary supporter because you've repeated your assertion that she can defeat Trump many times.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 20, 2016, 12:09:33 PM

TRUMP TRAIN HAS UNSTOPPABLE MOMENTUM NOW:

Steve Schmidt: Donald Trump Will Be Nominee on First Ballot; Will Clear 1,237 Mark By 50 Delegates
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/20/steve_schmidt_donald_trump_will_be_nominee_on_first_ballot_will_clear_1237_mark_by_50_delegates.html

Republican strategist and MSNBC commentator Steve Schmidt says Donald Trump will be the Republican party's nominee for president and he will win the nomination on the first ballot. Schmidt predicted Trump will not only get the required 1,237 delegates, but will have at least 50 more. Schmidt appeared on Wednesday's Morning Joe, following Trump's landslide victory in his home state of New York.

Follow Trump's win in New York last night, campaign advisor Paul Manafort said there will not be a second ballot at the convention.

"He's augmented his team and brought people on who understand the process, who understand how to run the type of campaigns necessary to go into heavily Democratic districts in Los Angeles and San Francisco or merge with the delegates like he did in Manhattan," Schmidt said about the Trump campaign.

"I think when you look at the math of this race and look at states ahead, you look at the winner take all states, Donald Trump is going to be the first ballot nominee of the Republican party," Schmidt declared Wednesday morning. "He will clear the 1,237 mark by at least 50 to 60 delegates by the time the votes are counted on June 7th in the state of California. And that presumes really Ted Cruz over performing at a level that he hasn't been able to perform at thus far in the campaign."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 01:17:30 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 20, 2016, 12:09:33 PM

Republican strategist and MSNBC commentator Steve Schmidt says Donald Trump will be the Republican party's nominee for president and he will win the nomination on the first ballot. Schmidt predicted Trump will not only get the required 1,237 delegates, but will have at least 50 more. Schmidt appeared on Wednesday's Morning Joe, following Trump's landslide victory in his home state of New York.

What would you expect from MSNBC?

They're SALIVATING at the idea of a Clinton vs Trump General Election and Hillary winning by 15-20 points.

How about you put your money where your mouth is?

$100?

I win if Trump gets 1236 or less on first ballot, you win if Trump gets 1237 or more on first ballot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 01:32:55 PM

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.msg438314.html#msg438314

Trump did well in his home state.

But did you know he actually LOST his home Congressional District?

It's a fact. 12th Congressional District in New York was the only district Trump lost.

Kasich picked up 5 delegates.

344 - 5 = 339 is the anti-Trump magic number going into next week.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 01:55:00 PM

Cruz RIPS Hannity and clearly answers questions about why his campaign is NOT stealing the election

http://www.redstate.com/diary/swansonnation/2016/04/19/cruz-gets-sharp-with-hannity-for-pushing-trump-talking-points/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 20, 2016, 02:17:00 PM

It is true!

Sharing 44% of the vote with Kasich, the Donald suffered a landslide loss in district 12 of 70 votes.

In other news, it is reported that the Donald actually put his left sock on first this morning proving that he is actually not a conservative after all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 02:36:58 PM

Real Numbers: Cruz 696 Delegates to Trumps 815 Delegates.

Whats left now?

California 172
Indiana 57
New Jersey 51
Washington 44
Maryland 38
Nebraska 36
West Virginia 34
South Dakota 29
Connecticut 28
Oregon 28
Montana 27
New Mexico 24
Rhode Island 19
Pennsylvania 17 +54

Trump needs to get 422 delegates, out of that list.

He loses Montana in full, the 54 in Pennsylvania are gone, Oregon is a wipe for him (he gets 3-6), Washington is already soured to him (maybe 4-6 there), Indiana is looking like Ted Cruz, S. Dakota is Ted Cruz, no one will give Nebraska to Trump, New Mexico is unlikely Trump… These “losses” (we will leave the gains in play) add up to 283 of 658, leaving 337 delegates left for Trump to try to win. Look he ain’t taking all of California either, even if he gets 120 out of there he loses 52 more, which means he comes up short by 137 missing delegates.

Yes you read that correct, even if we tilt California for Trump he cannot win, he misses by 137 delegates. Even if he wins three small States, or Indiana and a medium State, he comes up missing by far too much.

Mathematically Trump has been out since Ohio, it is a Contested Convention.

In fact it is worse than that for Donald Trump because he messed up in West Virginia and automatically loses 3 delegates minimum there, he started his campaign office in California so late that most reputable analysts think he cannot get delegates for all the Congressional Districts there, and Rhode Island is a proportional election.

Trump cannot get enough delegates from the remaining States even if he picks up 2 major surprise wins.

Time to face facts . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 02:44:09 PM

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/report-trump-hit-on-beauty-pageant-founder-contestants/article/2588781

MUCH more credible story that the lie that Cruz had 5 affairs

Why women will overwhelmingly reject him in the General Election.

Ready to admit you were WRONG Andrewfi?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on April 20, 2016, 02:46:56 PM

What happens if Trump doesn't get the 1200 odd he needs?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 02:49:45 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 20, 2016, 02:46:56 PM

What happens if Trump doesn't get the 1200 odd he needs?

He will probably get displaced by the whole crooked American democratic system..
The GOP will bring in a "Dark horse"..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 02:52:41 PM

:nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 02:59:13 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 20, 2016, 02:46:56 PM

What happens if Trump doesn't get the 1200 odd he needs?

The various candidate committee representatives will try to persuade the delegates to change their votes. Some delegates are bound only for the first vote, others for the second or third. Quite a bit of lobbying will occur.

They will keep voting until somebody gets a majority of the votes, which is 1237.

History tells us that it could take as many as 40 ballots to determine a winner.

In my opinion, the likelihood that Trump will get 1237 on the first ballot is 0%

Trump will hemorrhage delegates after the first ballot.

The likelihood that either Cruz, Kasich or Rubio will be the candidate is about 85%

15% that the Republicans will select an outsider.

The Party will then unite due to fear of the results of a Clinton Presidency and win the General Election in November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 03:05:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 02:59:13 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 20, 2016, 02:46:56 PM
What happens if Trump doesn't get the 1200 odd he needs?

The various candidate committee representatives will try to persuade the delegates to change their votes. Some delegates are bound only for the first vote, others for the second or third. Quite a bit of lobbying will occur.

They will keep voting until somebody gets a majority of the votes, which is 1237.

History tells us that it could take as many as 40 ballots to determine a winner.

In my opinion, the likelihood that Trump will get 1237 on the first ballot is 0%

Trump will hemorrhage delegates after the first ballot.

The likelihood that either Cruz, Kasich or Rubio will be the candidate is about 85%

15% that the Republicans will select an outsider.

The Party will then unite due to fear of the results of a Clinton Presidency and win the General Election in November.

The Great American democracy in action..... :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 03:17:02 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 20, 2016, 02:46:56 PM

What happens if Trump doesn't get the 1200 odd he needs?

Cufflinks prediction of an armed revolt by Trump supporters might come true.

At the very least the Republican party is going to be destroyed by their own hubris and will never be the same again.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 03:20:13 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 02:49:45 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 20, 2016, 02:46:56 PM
What happens if Trump doesn't get the 1200 odd he needs?

He will probably get displaced by the whole crooked American democratic system..
The GOP will bring in a "Dark horse"..

Sad but this is obviously what the party elites want to do. They've openly declared their animosity and disrespect towards the voters, who I can assure you will never forgive them. The Republican party is on it's deathbed, if they find a way to derail Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 03:37:25 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 03:20:13 PM

Sad but this is obviously what the party elites want to do. They've openly declared their animosity and disrespect towards the voters, who I can assure you will never forgive them. The Republican party is on it's deathbed, if they find a way to derail Trump.

This is completely wrongheaded thinking . . . . . .

If Trump doesn't get to 1237, he hasn't won a damn thing.

Think about the Lavin cut you listened to; how many times a candidate entered the convention with a plurality of the votes and was not the nominee.

The Trump campaign is pushing that he be the nominee in spite of not hitting 1237 because THEY KNOW he's not going to make it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 03:44:39 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 03:20:13 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 02:49:45 PM
Quote from: Manny on April 20, 2016, 02:46:56 PM
What happens if Trump doesn't get the 1200 odd he needs?

He will probably get displaced by the whole crooked American democratic system..
The GOP will bring in a "Dark horse"..

Sad but this is obviously what the party elites want to do. They've openly declared their animosity and disrespect towards the voters, who I can assure you will never forgive them. The Republican party is on it's deathbed, if they find a way to derail Trump.

FFS Ant, for once you are in agreement with me, please don't let it happen again, it will ruin the image of myself that I am steadily building.... :ROFL:

Seriously, this is exactly why I do not like the US, Its crooked/corrupt politics, now being followed by the unelected EU hierarchy.

You Americans seem to be incapable of sorting your own "in house" "inherent" problems yet you get up on your high horses and spout loudly about other countries wrongdoings..

You really do need to get your own house in order first...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 03:50:29 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 03:37:25 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 03:20:13 PM
Sad but this is obviously what the party elites want to do. They've openly declared their animosity and disrespect towards the voters, who I can assure you will never forgive them. The Republican party is on it's deathbed, if they find a way to derail Trump.

This is completely wrongheaded thinking . . . . . .

If Trump doesn't get to 1237, he hasn't won a damn thing.

Think about the Lavin cut you listened to; how many times a candidate entered the convention with a plurality of the votes and was not the nominee.

He will most probably have won the most though, and be the peoples choice, but that where the democracy comes into the equation, the big boys wishing to keep their pretty desks and high salaries, will want to override the people and bring in the person who will help them to grease their palms further..

As I said, Democracy in action...

You've just gotta love it... :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 03:57:09 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 03:50:29 PM

He will most probably have won the most though, and be the peoples choice,

Actually, that is a pretty silly statement.

Trump has actually won about 39% of the popular vote.

Simple math will tell you that means 61% of the people voted for somebody else.

Hardly "the peoples choice"

There is an obvious reason why a Republican candidate is required to get more than 1/2 the delegates to become his party's candidate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on April 20, 2016, 04:01:06 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 03:05:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 02:59:13 PM
Quote from: Manny on April 20, 2016, 02:46:56 PM
What happens if Trump doesn't get the 1200 odd he needs?

The various candidate committee representatives will try to persuade the delegates to change their votes. Some delegates are bound only for the first vote, others for the second or third. Quite a bit of lobbying will occur.

They will keep voting until somebody gets a majority of the votes, which is 1237.

History tells us that it could take as many as 40 ballots to determine a winner.

In my opinion, the likelihood that Trump will get 1237 on the first ballot is 0%

Trump will hemorrhage delegates after the first ballot.

The likelihood that either Cruz, Kasich or Rubio will be the candidate is about 85%

15% that the Republicans will select an outsider.

The Party will then unite due to fear of the results of a Clinton Presidency and win the General Election in November.

The Great American democracy in action..... :ROFL:

My thoughts entirely...maybe they need invaded and given a dose of freedom?

Seriously though....are you guys ok with this form of democracy?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 04:01:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 03:57:09 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 03:50:29 PM
He will most probably have won the most though, and be the peoples choice,

Actually, that is a pretty silly statement.

Trump has actually won about 39% of the popular vote.

Simple math will tell you that means 61% of the people voted for somebody else.

Hardly "the peoples choice"

There is an obvious reason why a Republican candidate is required to get more than 1/2 the delegates to become his party's candidate.

39% of the popular vote is far more than any of the other candidates, therefore, the democratic choice..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 04:17:43 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 04:01:38 PM

39% of the popular vote is far more than any of the other candidates, therefore, the democratic choice..

Not when the rule specifically states that you need a majority. It's been the rule since 1860. Every single candidate since then has followed that rule to get the nomination of the Republican Party.

Why do you think Trump should be the first exception in Party history?

I love it when Brits, in complete ignorance of our laws and history, attempt to weigh in on American politics.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 04:27:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 04:17:43 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 04:01:38 PM
39% of the popular vote is far more than any of the other candidates, therefore, the democratic choice..

Not when the rule specifically states that you need a majority. It's been the rule since 1860. Every single candidate since then has followed that rule to get the nomination of the Republican Party.

Why do you think Trump should be the first exception in Party history?

I love it when Brits, in complete ignorance of our laws and history, attempt to weigh in on American politics.

Any rule, which stops the peoples choice with a highest count of 39%, being judged the winner in any DEMOCRATIC country, is wrong.

It shows that the said country is not a democratic country at all.. especially when it takes several years to achieve, why it cannot be done and dusted in a week or a month even beats me..

So happy that you love my input, just trying to give you children a little adult supervision again...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 20, 2016, 04:42:13 PM

Trump will end up with close to 1400 delegates by the convention.
Just wait and see.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 20, 2016, 05:54:15 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/20/shepard-smith-former-ny-senator-damato-told-rnc-will-change-rules-give-kasich-shot/

Of course we don't know if this is true or not or whether it will happen.

*IF* it does happen, I'd hope that shakespear's dogged insistence on "THE RULES" would lead to him loudly and vociferously protesting such a move.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 06:30:49 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 03:57:09 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 03:50:29 PM
He will most probably have won the most though, and be the peoples choice,

Actually, that is a pretty silly statement.

Trump has actually won about 39% of the popular vote.

Simple math will tell you that means 61% of the people voted for somebody else.

Hardly "the peoples choice"

There is an obvious reason why a Republican candidate is required to get more than 1/2 the delegates to become his party's candidate.

BS. In any given election 61% of the people don't get off their ass's and vote in the first place, because they are too damn lazy, they don't care and consequently they've been getting what they deserved -- corrupt crooks who you admire.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 06:34:04 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 03:37:25 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 03:20:13 PM
Sad but this is obviously what the party elites want to do. They've openly declared their animosity and disrespect towards the voters, who I can assure you will never forgive them. The Republican party is on it's deathbed, if they find a way to derail Trump.

This is completely wrongheaded thinking . . . . . .

If Trump doesn't get to 1237, he hasn't won a damn thing.

Think about the Lavin cut you listened to; how many times a candidate entered the convention with a plurality of the votes and was not the nominee.

The Trump campaign is pushing that he be the nominee in spite of not hitting 1237 because THEY KNOW he's not going to make it.

Nope. In a normal election the party boss's would have told Cruz and Kasich to get out of their spoiler roles. Only because Trump would not kiss their corrupt ass's nor would he play the PC game have they been actively working to deny him.

I'm fairly confident he will get the 1237 but if he doesn't the party will never be the same, and thanks to people like you Hillary will be President. :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 20, 2016, 06:57:49 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 11:53:07 AM

Whether it's a poll or a betting site matters not to me.

Good, then we should discuss polls and assume a standard 95% confidence level.
If we rely on one respondent's leaning, the margin of error is 98%.
If the sample size is 10, the margin of error is 31%.
If the sample size is 100, the margin of error is 9.8%
If the sample size is 1,000, the margin of error is 3.1%.
If the sample size is 10,000, the margin of error is .93%.
Since statistics is taught in high school, those Trump supporters who haven't dropped out before taking the class should understand this.

The attachment below is called a "electoral map."
Since social studies is taught in high school, those Trump supporters who haven't dropped out before taking the class should be familiar with it.

If you were clever, you could tell me how this applies to the current discussion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 20, 2016, 08:00:30 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 20, 2016, 05:54:15 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/20/shepard-smith-former-ny-senator-damato-told-rnc-will-change-rules-give-kasich-shot/

Of course we don't know if this is true or not or whether it will happen.

*IF* it does happen, I'd hope that shakespear's dogged insistence on "THE RULES" would lead to him loudly and vociferously protesting such a move.

My guess he'll as likely do that as TomT will tell us who he is supporting and why.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 08:23:03 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 04:27:38 PM

Any rule, which stops the peoples choice with a highest count of 39%, being judged the winner in any DEMOCRATIC country, is wrong.

So you believe that 39% of the people should be able to disenfranchise 61% of the people in a proper democracy?

BTW, in 1860 Abraham Lincoln entered the convention with 22% of the delegates and in second place.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 08:25:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 04:17:43 PM

Why do you think Trump should be the first exception in Party history?

You didn't address my question.

The reason is obvious.

He shouldn't be given the first exemption.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 08:37:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 08:25:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 04:17:43 PM

Why do you think Trump should be the first exception in Party history?

You didn't address my question.

The reason is obvious.

He shouldn't be given the first exemption.

Are you having a convo with yourself? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 20, 2016, 09:42:39 PM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 11:12:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 03:57:09 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 03:50:29 PM
He will most probably have won the most though, and be the peoples choice,

Actually, that is a pretty silly statement.

Trump has actually won about 39% of the popular vote.

Simple math will tell you that means 61% of the people voted for somebody else.

Hardly "the peoples choice"

There is an obvious reason why a Republican candidate is required to get more than 1/2 the delegates to become his party's candidate.

Hardly Democracy neither...

It has absolutely nothing to do with the 61%, who's vote could have been split between 5 candidates, its all to do with democracy, the guy got 39% of the popular vote, the highest %age, therefore he wins..

I don't know what to call it, but its more akin to bullying, keep bullying the voters until they vote overwhelmingly for the candidate that the party hierarchy want..

One should remember, that in any form of election, there will be winners and losers, and if one candidate gets more votes than anyone else, the vote is recognised and those who voted differently accept the results..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on April 21, 2016, 02:46:56 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 08:23:03 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 04:27:38 PM
Any rule, which stops the peoples choice with a highest count of 39%, being judged the winner in any DEMOCRATIC country, is wrong.

So you believe that 39% of the people should be able to disenfranchise 61% of the people in a proper democracy?

BTW, in 1860 Abraham Lincoln entered the convention with 22% of the delegates and in second place.

Apologies if you feel I'm wading in with ignorance here but I'm only commenting on how I see it.

If 39% of the people who voted, vote for the candidate with the most votes....then surely democracy dictates that this candidate wins. There could be four others attaining around 15% of the vote each, so its quite clear who the winner is. This going back to the table and doing deals behind closed doors to muscle votes and essentially rig an election, is nothing to do with the wishes of the people of the state.

Moreover, those who couldn't be arsed to vote can't be included in any statistical analysis.

Looking in from the outside, you include the people of the state for an initial vote, thus making it a democratic society and when you get to the business end, it gets rigged accordingly by those inside.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 21, 2016, 03:29:55 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2016, 02:36:58 PM

Real Numbers: Cruz 696 Delegates to Trumps 815 Delegates.

Whats left now?

California 172
Indiana 57
New Jersey 51
Washington 44
Maryland 38
Nebraska 36
West Virginia 34
South Dakota 29
Connecticut 28
Oregon 28
Montana 27
New Mexico 24
Rhode Island 19
Pennsylvania 17 +54

Trump needs to get 422 delegates, out of that list.

He loses Montana in full, the 54 in Pennsylvania are gone, Oregon is a wipe for him (he gets 3-6), Washington is already soured to him (maybe 4-6 there), Indiana is looking like Ted Cruz, S. Dakota is Ted Cruz, no one will give Nebraska to Trump, New Mexico is unlikely Trump… These “losses” (we will leave the gains in play) add up to 283 of 658, leaving 337 delegates left for Trump to try to win. Look he ain’t taking all of California either, even if he gets 120 out of there he loses 52 more, which means he comes up short by 137 missing delegates.

Yes you read that correct, even if we tilt California for Trump he cannot win, he misses by 137 delegates. Even if he wins three small States, or Indiana and a medium State, he comes up missing by far too much.

Mathematically Trump has been out since Ohio, it is a Contested Convention.

In fact it is worse than that for Donald Trump because he messed up in West Virginia and automatically loses 3 delegates minimum there, he started his campaign office in California so late that most reputable analysts think he cannot get delegates for all the Congressional Districts there, and Rhode Island is a proportional election.

Trump cannot get enough delegates from the remaining States even if he picks up 2 major surprise wins.

Time to face facts . . . . . . . . . .

1. You forgot Delaware. A small delegate count but in Trumps pocket probably.

2. You assume too much with Washington, Oregon and New Mexico.

3. You gave Trump the minimum delegates that he will likely win in California.

4. There is an opportunity for some unbound delegates on the 1st vote I believe.

Rough numbers for sure below but an idea of what is going to happen from these eyes.......

During April in Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island, expect Trump to pick up 100 or so delegates. Say 915 total.

May and June possible wins in Indiana, West Virginia, Washington, Oregon, New Mexico and New Jersey. An extra 205 for a total of 1120.

Most of California will make up the difference. Any un-bound's they can pick up for the first vote will just be over the top.

You give a good speech above but I think you are fighting the contested battle. Yes, it looks like Trump would lose that battle but it is not going to get that far. He will hit his number on the first vote.

The news this past week is beginning to see that Trump will hit his mark. They are already worrying about it. The R.Party is worried he will hit his mark and they are worried over the possible reaction that could occur if there is a contested convention.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 21, 2016, 05:48:33 AM

Rosco, we make a mistake when we thing of the United States as being a democracy. It isn't, it has the outward appearance of a democracy, but the appearance does not run deep.

We may moan about the system in Britain, and it isn't perfect, but what we are seeing in the United States is a world away from our experience in Great Britain.

The real trouble for the major US parties is how to reconcile the choices of the people with the goals of the parties and those in power (the people, states and businesses that support them).

What strikes me as being very odd, has done for years, is the propensity for USAians to be the turkeys that happily vote for Christmas (or Thanksgiving). It was once said that every American dreams of being rich and so votes for the benefits that accrue to the wealthy.

We might be starting to see the turn in society. Not that Trump or Sanders are paragons, they are not, but they ARE perceived as the outsiders, they are the protest vote and the protest vote is huge. I think the Republicans are having the biggest difficulty in dealing with the phenomenon because they must manage the reasonable expectations of the voters who have voted for Trump more than they have any other candidate. I think that too many of them are still thinking like ~~Shakespear~~ King Canute.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on April 21, 2016, 05:53:15 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 21, 2016, 05:48:33 AM

Rosco, we make a mistake when we thing of the United States as being a democracy. It isn't, it has the outward appearance of a democracy, but the appearance does not run deep.

Officially, the USA isn't a democracy. People make this misstake often.

Officially, the USA is a republic. The difference is noteworthy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 21, 2016, 06:00:34 AM

Markje, my apologies. I was referring to the system of selection of the government. The process, in the US, is supposed to be democratic. A republic is simply the manner in which the state is constituted.

Folks often get mixed up over government and state.

So, the United States has, as its form of statehood, a republic, which means there is no King or Queen.
The government, which produces the head of state as one of its offices, uses a nominally democratic process to make the selection.

So, democracy and republic are actually different concepts. Here's an article that trues to tease out the confusion in more detail than I can be arsed to do: CLICK HERE! (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on April 21, 2016, 06:21:05 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 21, 2016, 06:00:34 AM

So, the United States has, as its form of statehood, a republic, which means there is no King or Queen.
The government, which produces the head of state as one of its offices, uses a nominally democratic process to make the selection.

Perhaps, on another thread you can tell us about other so called democracies - where opposition leaders are rarely quoted and even forming a new party is nigh on impossible...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on April 21, 2016, 06:38:06 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 21, 2016, 05:48:33 AM

Rosco, we make a mistake when we thing of the United States as being a democracy. It isn't, it has the outward appearance of a democracy, but the appearance does not run deep.

We may moan about the system in Britain, and it isn't perfect, but what we are seeing in the United States is a world away from our experience in Great Britain.

The real trouble for the major US parties is how to reconcile the choices of the people with the goals of the parties and those in power (the people, states and businesses that support them).

What strikes me as being very odd, has done for years, is the propensity for USAians to be the turkeys that happily vote for Christmas (or Thanksgiving). It was once said that every American dreams of being rich and so votes for the benefits that accrue to the wealthy.

We might be starting to see the turn in society. Not that Trump or Sanders are paragons, they are not, but they ARE perceived as the outsiders, they are the protest vote and the protest vote is huge. I think the Republicans are having the biggest difficulty in dealing with the phenomenon because they must manage the reasonable expectations of the voters who have voted for Trump more than they have any other candidate. I think that too many of them are still thinking like ~~Shakespear~~ King Canute.

That's a pretty good synopsis and to draw any comparison with British politics, UKIP was the protest vote over here as a vehicle to try and wake up the big two, to the real issues left unaddressed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 07:55:16 AM

Quote from: rosco on April 21, 2016, 02:46:56 AM

If 39% of the people who voted, vote for the candidate with the most votes....then surely democracy dictates that this candidate wins. There could be four others attaining around 15% of the vote each, so its quite clear who the winner is. This going back to the table and doing deals behind closed doors to muscle votes and essentially rig an election, is nothing to do with the wishes of the people of the state.

The one rule that has never changed since the Republican Party was formed in 1856 is that a Presidential nominee must obtain 50% of the votes from delegates in order to be the party nominee.

History is full of instances where someone came to the convention with a PLURALITY of the delegates and did not emerge from the convention with the nomination. In this instance, the job of the convention delegates is to pick the candidate that seems most likely to win the General Election in November.

Upthread, several pages ago I posted a link where a conservative radio commentator does a FANTASTIC job explaining the history of the Republican Party Conventions. I'd encourage my foreign friends to spend 10 minutes listening to his commentary and learning a bit about the American political process.

OK here is the link from my previous post:

https://audioboom.com/boos/4347731-3-24-16-mark-levin-audio-rewind?t=0
The meaningful discussion starts exactly at the 1:29 mark and goes to 1:39.30.
Note: From 1:39.30 to 1:46.30 is pretty interesting as well. Listen if you have time.

PLEASE TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND LISTEN TO THIS!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 07:57:36 AM

Quote from: Markje on April 21, 2016, 05:53:15 AM

Officially, the USA isn't a democracy. People make this mistake often.

Officially, the USA is a republic. The difference is noteworthy.

E X A C T L Y !!!

Give the man a kewpie doll

:king:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 21, 2016, 08:00:41 AM

Interesting that comparison because there we can absolutely clearly see how that protest vote (UK IP) was recognised and the message assimilated by the Tories. I think that the unaddressed (at that time) issues have been, or are being dealt with.

UK IP are a single issue party,, as the name tells us and they are not going to ever form a government. Without them though the issues related to our EU membership would have been muted.

Shakespear, we Britons are probably not as dumb as the American people with whom you deal. I am sure we understand the point about the 50 percent. That's not the point being discussed is it?

Also you might want to catch up your understanding of the concepts of democracy as a process and Republic as a form of statehood. You might want to read the link I provided for your benefit. You will learn by so doing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 08:01:38 AM

Quote from: bagalia on April 21, 2016, 03:29:55 AM

You give a good speech above but I think you are fighting the contested battle. Yes, it looks like Trump would lose that battle but it is not going to get that far. He will hit his number on the first vote.

So you're accepting my $100 bet on this proposition?

Just want to get it on the record.

Money talks, bullshit walks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 08:25:49 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 06:30:49 PM

BS. In any given election 61% of the people don't get off their ass's and vote in the first place, because they are too damn lazy, they don't care and consequently they've been getting what they deserved -- corrupt crooks who you admire.

Oh that's nonsense and you know it.

Trump received 39% OF THE VOTES CAST

Simple math tells us that means 61% OF THE VOTES CAST went to somebody other than Trump

This means that by selecting Trump without him having a majority of the delegates means you are DISENFRANCHISING 61% of the Republicans that cast votes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on April 21, 2016, 08:48:04 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 21, 2016, 08:00:41 AM

Also you might want to catch up your understanding of the concepts of democracy as a process and Republic as a form of statehood. You might want to read the link I provided for your benefit. You will learn by so doing.

Thank you andrewfi. If they are told this 20 or 30 more times maybe it will sink in.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 08:53:43 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 08:25:49 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 06:30:49 PM
BS. In any given election 61% of the people don't get off their ass's and vote in the first place, because they are too damn lazy, they don't care and consequently they've been getting what they deserved -- corrupt crooks who you admire.

Oh that's nonsense and you know it.

Trump received 39% OF THE VOTES CAST

Simple math tells us that means 61% OF THE VOTES CAST went to somebody other than Trump

This means that by selecting Trump without him having a majority of the delegates means you are DISENFRANCHISING 61% of the Republicans that cast votes.

That is utter rubbish and you know it, its :censored: ing corrupt.

Of 100% of votes cast amongst some 5 candidates, no one got anywhere near Trumps 39%, the other 5 had a minority share of the 61%, that means in a real democracy (Which the US claims to be but really isn't judging by this system) Trump would be the winner, and the others MUST accept the status quo, job done.

Frankly Shakes, I have a lot of respect for your posts, BUT, in this case, you should be totally ashamed of your country, which you are not, you are actually defending said Corruption as being the righteous .

Please, don't ever criticise another country until you remove the corruption from your own...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Eduard on April 21, 2016, 08:56:22 AM

Quote from: Markje on April 21, 2016, 05:53:15 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 21, 2016, 05:48:33 AM
Rosco, we make a mistake when we thing of the United States as being a democracy. It isn't, it has the outward appearance of a democracy, but the appearance does not run deep.
Officially, the USA isn't a democracy. People make this misstake often.

Officially, the USA is a republic. The difference is noteworthy.

The delegate system on the Republican side, and much more so the Super delegate system on the Democratic side is anything BUT Democratic...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 09:02:54 AM

Quote from: Eduard on April 21, 2016, 08:56:22 AM

Quote from: Markje on April 21, 2016, 05:53:15 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on April 21, 2016, 05:48:33 AM
Rosco, we make a mistake when we thing of the United States as being a democracy. It isn't, it has the outward appearance of a democracy, but the appearance does not run deep.
Officially, the USA isn't a democracy. People make this misstake often.

Officially, the USA is a republic. The difference is noteworthy.
The delegate system on the Republican side, and much more so the Super delegate system on the Democratic side is anything BUT Democratic...

Its something that I never really understood before due to my lack of interest in politics, but now I'm beginning to realise just how un-democratic the US really is.
I wonder to myself how on earth, when they are themselves so un-democratic, can they continually accuse other countries/governments from being either un-democratic, or corrupt...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 21, 2016, 09:03:46 AM

Quote from: Eduard on April 21, 2016, 08:56:22 AM

Quote from: Markje on April 21, 2016, 05:53:15 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on April 21, 2016, 05:48:33 AM
Rosco, we make a mistake when we thing of the United States as being a democracy. It isn't, it has the outward appearance of a democracy, but the appearance does not run deep.
Officially, the USA isn't a democracy. People make this misstake often.

Officially, the USA is a republic. The difference is noteworthy.
The delegate system on the Republican side, and much more so the Super delegate system on the Democratic side is anything BUT Democratic...

It's Democratic, but it requires some back slapping, hand shaking and consensus building. Trump doesn't want to do it at this point, however if he wishes to be a leader of the entire Republican party, he needs to engage in the system as it is. Once he wins and he's President, he can help to overhaul the system and make it more responsive to the will of the people.

However keep in mind that because Democrats (their party) have allowed about 15 million undocumented voters to come into this country, who are often close to illiterate, the "will of the people" is now a very dangerous thing.

This is why Trump was need as President just after Reagan or Clinton. Bush Jr. also allowed plenty of illegals to easily come into our country. You may recall Bush Jr. did not support a border agent involved in a situation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 21, 2016, 09:09:02 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 09:02:54 AM

Quote from: Eduard on April 21, 2016, 08:56:22 AM
Quote from: Markje on April 21, 2016, 05:53:15 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on April 21, 2016, 05:48:33 AM
Rosco, we make a mistake when we thing of the United States as being a democracy. It isn't, it has the outward appearance of a democracy, but the appearance does not run deep.
Officially, the USA isn't a democracy. People make this misstake often.

Officially, the USA is a republic. The difference is noteworthy.
The delegate system on the Republican side, and much more so the Super delegate system on the Democratic side is anything BUT Democratic...

Its something that I never really understood before due to my lack of interest in politics, but now I'm beginning to realise just how un-democratic the US really is.
I wonder to myself how on earth, when they are themselves so un-democratic, can they continually accuse other countries/governments from being either un-democratic, or corrupt...

It's a form of Democracy, but it's complicated. We wanted a system like this IMO originally, to simply prevent illiterate or poorly informed voters from electing the wrong person -- some would say a blowhard like Trump, or a Socialist like Bernie Sanders.

The system wants somebody who understands nothing is free (Sanders would BK the country within one year or less) but also somebody who respects the law. Shakespear and his ilk worries Trump will not respect the laws.

Us on the right want somebody to get things done. Trump is the guy. Obama did not respect our laws either, so what's the difference? Trump has the backing of those who are the backbone of this country. Not the LBGT groups, not the socialists, not the environmental terrorists. So be it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 21, 2016, 09:10:37 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 08:25:49 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 06:30:49 PM
BS. In any given election 61% of the people don't get off their ass's and vote in the first place, because they are too damn lazy, they don't care and consequently they've been getting what they deserved -- corrupt crooks who you admire.

Oh that's nonsense and you know it.

Trump received 39% OF THE VOTES CAST

Simple math tells us that means 61% OF THE VOTES CAST went to somebody other than Trump

This means that by selecting Trump without him having a majority of the delegates means you are DISENFRANCHISING 61% of the Republicans that cast votes.

Trump is going to be the nominee whether you like it or not. Please keep my $300 safe. thanks. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 21, 2016, 09:13:22 AM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Eduard on April 21, 2016, 09:13:29 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 03:44:39 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 03:20:13 PM
Quote from: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 02:49:45 PM
Quote from: Manny on April 20, 2016, 02:46:56 PM
What happens if Trump doesn't get the 1200 odd he needs?

He will probably get displaced by the whole crooked American democratic system..
The GOP will bring in a "Dark horse"..

Sad but this is obviously what the party elites want to do. They've openly declared their animosity and disrespect towards the voters, who I can assure you will never forgive them. The Republican party is on it's deathbed, if they find a way to derail Trump.

Seriously, this is exactly why I do not like the US, Its crooked/corrupt politics,

but in all honesty, is there a place on Earth where the politics are not crooked and corrupt?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 09:14:46 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 08:53:43 AM

Of 100% of votes cast amongst some 5 candidates, no one got anywhere near Trumps 39%, the other 5 had a minority share of the 61%, that means in a real democracy (Which the US claims to be but really isn't judging by this system) Trump would be the winner, and the others MUST accept the status quo, job done.

You are failing to understand a basic concept.

The American political parties are not part of the government. They have their own rules and establish their own standards.

The Republican Party was formed in 1856. One of their oldest rules which has never been changed is that in order to achieve the Republican Party nomination for President of the United States, a candidate must achieve 50% of the votes of the delegates present. This insures that a majority of the Party members are unified behind one candidate.

If you listen to the Levin presentation (reposted a page upthread), you will hear of 20 or more instances since the founding of our Party where a candidate entered with a PLURALITY of the votes but did not emerge from the convention with the nomination. It's not an uncommon happening. It's the way our system works.

You have not provided me with one compelling reason why the Republican Party should change their longest standing rule to benefit Donald Trump with the exemption?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 09:20:02 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 21, 2016, 09:10:37 AM

Trump is going to be the nominee whether you like it or not. Please keep my $300 safe. thanks. :laugh:

I heard an interesting discussion last night about the positive attributes of a Cruz/Trump ticket.

It was really interesting however it will never happen. Trumps ego would never allow him to be second chair to anyone.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 21, 2016, 09:38:40 AM

Anteros is floating in euphoria over Trump's big "victory" in New York and is not ready to face the reality that winning states in primaries is not the same as winning states in the general election. Informed voters like Shakey are aware of this but many less-informed voters are incapable of looking that far ahead.

To be fair, there are low-information voters on both sides, as evidenced by the electoral map. Except in rare cases, the majority of the voters in the red states will select the Republican candidates, irrespective of whom they may be, and the voters in the blue states will do the same for the Democratic candidates.

There are ten "swing states" that, historically, have gone either way. In election 2012, Obama won nine of these gray states by modest margins and it resulted in an electoral landslide that Republicans are still trying to forget. The outcome of election 2016 is easy to predict: one only has to study the dreaded polls from the ten gray states.

If the polls don't show the results that people want to hear, then they are meaningless, as Anteros claims, because it is too early in the election cycle. (As November draws near, he will have to think of different excuses.) They would damn well be meaningful to him if the bloathard was leading, though.

Time permitting, I'll post combined current polling data from the ten gray states as well as data from elections 2008 and 2012. The three monkeys should cover their eyes, ears and mouths (and put me on ignore) before I get around to doing it because the information will not make them happy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 09:47:15 AM

Quote from: Eduard on April 21, 2016, 09:13:29 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 03:44:39 PM
Quote from: Anteros on April 20, 2016, 03:20:13 PM
Quote from: Gipsy on April 20, 2016, 02:49:45 PM
Quote from: Manny on April 20, 2016, 02:46:56 PM
What happens if Trump doesn't get the 1200 odd he needs?

He will probably get displaced by the whole crooked American democratic system..
The GOP will bring in a "Dark horse"..

Sad but this is obviously what the party elites want to do. They've openly declared their animosity and disrespect towards the voters, who I can assure you will never forgive them. The Republican party is on it's deathbed, if they find a way to derail Trump.

Seriously, this is exactly why I do not like the US, Its crooked/corrupt politics,
but in all honesty, is there a place on Earth where the politics are not crooked and corrupt?

Probably not..

But in the majority, other places in the world do not mouth off about just how democratic their country is.
By this, I do not include the biggie countries of the world, if you catch my drift..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 09:48:49 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 09:20:02 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 21, 2016, 09:10:37 AM
Trump is going to be the nominee whether you like it or not. Please keep my $300 safe. thanks. :laugh:

I heard an interesting discussion last night about the positive attributes of a Cruz/Trump ticket.

It was really interesting however it will never happen. Trumps ego would never allow him to be second chair to anyone.

Aw common Shakes, Cruz won't even talk with the American Muslims, how can you expect such a person to be a good President..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 09:52:42 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 09:14:46 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 08:53:43 AM
Of 100% of votes cast amongst some 5 candidates, no one got anywhere near Trumps 39%, the other 5 had a minority share of the 61%, that means in a real democracy (Which the US claims to be but really isn't judging by this system) Trump would be the winner, and the others MUST accept the status quo, job done.

You are failing to understand a basic concept.

The American political parties are not part of the government. They have their own rules and establish their own standards.

The Republican Party was formed in 1856. One of their oldest rules which has never been changed is that in order to achieve the Republican Party nomination for President of the United States, a candidate must achieve 50% of the votes of the delegates present. This insures that a majority of the Party members are unified behind one candidate.

If you listen to the Levin presentation (reposted a page upthread), you will hear of 20 or more instances since the founding of our Party where a candidate entered with a PLURALITY of the votes but did not emerge from the convention with the nomination. It's not an uncommon happening. It's the way our system works.

You have not provided me with one compelling reason why the Republican Party should change their longest standing rule to benefit Donald Trump with the exemption?

They aren't??

Who makes up both houses..??

Do the houses control the American politics or do they not??

I listened but was not impressed, sorry...

Best just to leave me out of the discussion and carry on supporting corruption...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 09:56:54 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 21, 2016, 09:38:40 AM

There are ten "swing states" that, historically, have gone either way. In election 2012, Obama won nine of these gray states by modest margins and it resulted in an electoral landslide that Republicans are still trying to forget. The outcome of election 2016 is easy to predict: one only has to study the dreaded polls from the ten gray states.

You're right - to a point.

The Republicans need to win Ohio and Florida no exceptions. Then they need to win some combination of North Carolina, Virginia, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, New Hampshire and Nevada in order to win. Sometimes states will surprisingly cross-over; New Mexico, Michigan and Maine are most likely.

Much can happen between now and November. The FBI investigation on Clinton could be a bombshell. Once the candidates are selected and they face off in a couple of debates the polls have been known to change and rapidly.

One thing is clear because in each of the last TWENTY polls conducted, the results were ALL far outside of the polls margins of error. Donald Trump CANNOT beat Hillary Clinton.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 09:58:33 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 09:48:49 AM

Aw common Shakes, Cruz won't even talk with the American Muslims, how can you expect such a person to be a good President..

What? I think you have him confused with Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 10:06:12 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 09:52:42 AM

They aren't??

Who makes up both houses..??

Do the houses control the American politics or do they not??

No!

You're projecting your own government structure ours.

The rules of US political parties are not outlined in any public laws.

They are free to determine their own procedures and rules.

The Democrat Party and Republican Party have completely different rules when it comes to selecting a candidate for President of the United States. If you examine them, I think you'll find that the Democrat Party, with their reliance on "Super Delegates" are much less "voice of the people" than the Republican Party.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Eduard on April 21, 2016, 10:21:01 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 09:02:54 AM

Quote from: Eduard on April 21, 2016, 08:56:22 AM
Quote from: Markje on April 21, 2016, 05:53:15 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on April 21, 2016, 05:48:33 AM
Rosco, we make a mistake when we thing of the United States as being a democracy. It isn't, it has the outward appearance of a democracy, but the appearance does not run deep.
Officially, the USA isn't a democracy. People make this misstake often.

Officially, the USA is a republic. The difference is noteworthy.
The delegate system on the Republican side, and much more so the Super delegate system on the Democratic side is anything BUT Democratic...

Its something that I never really understood before due to my lack of interest in politics, but now I'm beginning to realise just how un-democratic the US really is.
I wonder to myself how on earth, when they are themselves so un-democratic, can they continually accuse other countries/governments from being either un-democratic, or corrupt...

because everything is relative.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 10:22:11 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 09:58:33 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 09:48:49 AM
Aw common Shakes, Cruz won't even talk with the American Muslims, how can you expect such a person to be a good President..

What? I think you have him confused with Trump.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2016/04/texas-muslims-slam-sen-ted-cruz-and-staff-for-refusing-meeting.html/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 10:26:14 AM

Quote from: Eduard on April 21, 2016, 10:21:01 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 09:02:54 AM
Quote from: Eduard on April 21, 2016, 08:56:22 AM
Quote from: Markje on April 21, 2016, 05:53:15 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on April 21, 2016, 05:48:33 AM
Rosco, we make a mistake when we thing of the United States as being a democracy. It isn't, it has the outward appearance of a democracy, but the appearance does not run deep.
Officially, the USA isn't a democracy. People make this misstake often.

Officially, the USA is a republic. The difference is noteworthy.
The delegate system on the Republican side, and much more so the Super delegate system on the Democratic side is anything BUT Democratic...

Its something that I never really understood before due to my lack of interest in politics, but now I'm beginning to realise just how un-democratic the US really is.
I wonder to myself how on earth, when they are themselves so un-democratic, can they continually accuse other countries/governments from being either un-democratic, or corrupt...
because everything is relative.

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 10:28:14 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 10:22:11 AM

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2016/04/texas-muslims-slam-sen-ted-cruz-and-staff-for-refusing-meeting.html/

I have personal experience with lobbying on Capital Hill. One of my job responsibilities is to perform this function.

Meeting with a congressman is much different than meeting with a senator.

The group was offered a meeting with a member of Cruz's staff and THEY refused.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 11:00:51 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 10:28:14 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 10:22:11 AM
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2016/04/texas-muslims-slam-sen-ted-cruz-and-staff-for-refusing-meeting.html/

I have personal experience with lobbying on Capital Hill. One of my job responsibilities is to perform this function.

Meeting with a congressman is much different than meeting with a senator.

The group was offered a meeting with a member of Cruz's staff and THEY refused.

Are you saying that you are employed in politics in some way??
Nice swerve shaky, nice swerve, moby would be proud of you..
They wished to meet with Cruz, and were not prepared to discuss anything with one of his dogsbodies..
Its the same as the 39% who voted for ~~Cruz~~ Trump, they do not want anyone else,.
You talk about the unfairness of the 61%, what about the blatant unfairness to the 39%??

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 21, 2016, 11:42:03 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 08:01:38 AM

Quote from: bagalia on April 21, 2016, 03:29:55 AM
You give a good speech above but I think you are fighting the contested battle. Yes, it looks like Trump would lose that battle but it is not going to get that far. He will hit his number on the first vote.

So you're accepting my $100 bet on this proposition?

Just want to get it on the record.

Money talks, bullshit walks.

Trump will reach or surpass 1237 delegate votes at or before the first vote.

I cannot say that he will be the nominee because the rules have not yet been made. The rules may well be changed to make it impossible for him to be the nominee.

Paypal ditched me for life back in my Russia days for accessing my account within that country. This would need to be a WU bet. $100 is fine with me.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 11:59:30 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 11:00:51 AM

Are you saying that you are employed in politics in some way??
Nice swerve shaky, nice swerve, moby would be proud of you..

Working with the PAC for my industry group, I represent my industry as a lobbyist on Capital Hill twice a year.

Quote from: Gipsy on April 21, 2016, 11:00:51 AM

They wished to meet with Cruz, and were not prepared to discuss anything with one of his dogsbodies..

That's a pretty naive statement.

If the law required everyone that DEMANDED an audience with their congressman, or worse still their senator, they'd never get anything else done.

In America, legislators have staffs which handle specific areas of government on behalf of their bosses. Weekly meeting with the staff is where the legislator gets updated on the results of those meetings with constituents.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 12:01:17 PM

Quote from: bagalia on April 21, 2016, 11:42:03 AM

Trump will reach or surpass 1237 delegate votes at or before the first vote. Paypal ditched me for life back in my Russia days for accessing my account within that country. This would need to be a WU bet. $100 is fine with me.

Done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 21, 2016, 04:27:49 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 21, 2016, 09:38:40 AM

Anteros is floating in euphoria over Trump's big "victory" in New York and is not ready to face the reality that winning states in primaries is not the same as winning states in the general election. Informed voters like Shakey are aware of this but many less-informed voters are incapable of looking that far ahead.

To be fair, there are low-information voters on both sides, as evidenced by the electoral map. Except in rare cases, the majority of the voters in the red states will select the Republican candidates, irrespective of whom they may be, and the voters in the blue states will do the same for the Democratic candidates.

There are ten "swing states" that, historically, have gone either way. In election 2012, Obama won nine of these gray states by modest margins and it resulted in an electoral landslide that Republicans are still trying to forget. The outcome of election 2016 is easy to predict: one only has to study the dreaded polls from the ten gray states.

If the polls don't show the results that people want to hear, then they are meaningless, as Anteros claims, because it is too early in the election cycle. (As November draws near, he will have to think of different excuses.) They would damn well be meaningful to him if the bloathard was leading, though.

Time permitting, I'll post combined current polling data from the ten gray states as well as data from elections 2008 and 2012. The three monkeys should cover their eyes, ears and mouths (and put me on ignore) before I get around to doing it because the information will not make them happy.

Tom, you're a killjoy. You always have been. I don't care if you think Trump cannot win the general election. My vote is for who I believe is the best choice. It is a protest vote. Whatever happens is destiny.

PS Even though I loved it in the past and still have fond memories, I would currently be very happy if California was expelled from the union. Those delegates (blue) would no longer count for anything.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 06:17:56 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 21, 2016, 04:27:49 PM

My vote is for who I believe is the best choice. It is a protest vote. Whatever happens is destiny.

You and others of your ilk are going to "protest" yourself right into a Hillary Clinton Presidency.

Anteros, did you hear Trump's position on transgender use of bathrooms?

Really is it too much to ask for a Republican Presidential candidate to advocate the men use men's bathrooms and women use women's bathrooms?

He's desperately pandering to the eastern liberal vote because his campaign is desperate. He's even talking about changing the Party Plank on abortion.

Hell Republicans have no chance of carrying these states in the General Election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 21, 2016, 06:31:16 PM

Trump Calls Out George Soros In New Ad

http://www.youtube.com/v/oQPI85SB8Mc

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 21, 2016, 06:58:30 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 06:17:56 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 21, 2016, 04:27:49 PM
My vote is for who I believe is the best choice. It is a protest vote. Whatever happens is destiny.

You and others of your ilk are going to "protest" yourself right into a Hillary Clinton Presidency.

Anteros, did you hear Trump's position on transgender use of bathrooms?

Really is it too much to ask for a Republican Presidential candidate to advocate the men use men's bathrooms and women use women's bathrooms?

He's desperately pandering to the eastern liberal vote because his campaign is desperate. He's even talking about changing the Party Plank on abortion.

Hell Republicans have no chance of carrying these states in the General Election.

Trump is not desperate, he's very street smart. Did you know a Sherriff in NC says the law is not enforceable? Do you really think law enforcement officers will be able to order a transgender person to drop their pants and show their junk? Not enforceable.

The world has changed. I don't like it, you don't like it, but if you want to win you've got to be somewhat flexible, as Trump is. Let him become President and then let's see what happens on this issue.

Furthermore I agree with the 3 exceptions he listed for abortion. Do you really think that a woman who was raped should be forced to have the child? :sick0012:

Meanwhile, is it true that your guy Kasich has been funded by Soros?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 21, 2016, 11:29:43 PM

Trump leading by 18 percentage points in California. Trump gets to 1237 before Cleveland. It's all over Shakespear!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-trump-up-by-18-in-california/ar-BBs4Rfv?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 22, 2016, 12:29:40 AM

California is a long ways off.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 22, 2016, 12:53:03 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 06:17:56 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 21, 2016, 04:27:49 PM
My vote is for who I believe is the best choice. It is a protest vote. Whatever happens is destiny.

Anteros, did you hear Trump's position on transgender use of bathrooms?

Really is it too much to ask for a Republican Presidential candidate to advocate the men use men's bathrooms and women use women's bathrooms?

He's desperately pandering to the eastern liberal vote because his campaign is desperate. He's even talking about changing the Party Plank on abortion.

Hell Republicans have no chance of carrying these states in the General Election.

I agree, he blew it with this stand. He may lose a lot of support from this nonsense.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 22, 2016, 07:19:17 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 21, 2016, 11:29:43 PM

Trump leading by 18 percentage points in California. Trump gets to 1237 before Cleveland. It's all over Shakespear!

Do you know how California selects delegates? 53 congressional districts x 3 each = 159. The person who gets the most votes in the congressional district wins all 3. 10 At-Large delegates awarded to the winner of the statewide race bound for the first ballot. 3 state officers bound to the state election winner for the first ballot.

Trump doesn't even have offices open in 20 of the 53 congressional districts. Cruz ground game working in California to maximum efficiency. 39 of the congressional districts are represented by Democrats, 14 represented by Republicans.

Most reasonable pundits predict the split will be about 112-60 with Trump on top.

Not enough . . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 22, 2016, 07:22:04 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 22, 2016, 12:53:03 AM

I agree, he blew it with this stand. He may lose a lot of support from this nonsense.

Trump supporters around the nation are now questioning their decision to back this Republican in sheep's clothing. This could be especially important in ultra-conservative Indiana.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 22, 2016, 09:27:33 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 22, 2016, 07:22:04 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 22, 2016, 12:53:03 AM
I agree, he blew it with this stand. He may lose a lot of support from this nonsense.

Trump supporters around the nation are now questioning their decision to back this Republican in sheep's clothing. This could be especially important in ultra-conservative Indiana.

He has already pivoted to the GE. Needs to win the blue dogs.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 22, 2016, 09:33:31 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 22, 2016, 12:53:03 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 06:17:56 PM
Quote from: Anteros on April 21, 2016, 04:27:49 PM
My vote is for who I believe is the best choice. It is a protest vote. Whatever happens is destiny.

Anteros, did you hear Trump's position on transgender use of bathrooms?

Really is it too much to ask for a Republican Presidential candidate to advocate the men use men's bathrooms and women use women's bathrooms?

He's desperately pandering to the eastern liberal vote because his campaign is desperate. He's even talking about changing the Party Plank on abortion.

Hell Republicans have no chance of carrying these states in the General Election.

I agree, he blew it with this stand. He may lose a lot of support from this nonsense.

Maxx, to the bathroom issue he clarified that it is a states rights issue. To abortion I agree w/ him a woman who was raped should not be forced to have the baby. Forcing a woman to have a baby after she was raped is a radical position which causes a loss of votes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 22, 2016, 07:31:42 PM

God only knows why anyone would think that Wisconsin is a swing state because a Republican presidential candidate hasn't carried it since 1988 and Obama won by 7.3%/6.9% in 2008/2012, respectively.

Obama underperformed the RCP average by 0.3% in 2008 and outperformed it by 2.7% in 2012. In both cases, April polling predicted the winner but, in 2012, April polling was 3% optimistic about Obama's numbers. In 2008, there was a sizable shift after the announcement Palin would be McCain's running mate, indicating that the majority of voters in Wisconsin are not dumb. (This will work against Trump.)

Moving on to 2016 polling, Clinton enjoys a solid 10.7% lead and Trump has never done better than trailing by nine points. Unless a giant sinkhole opens under Clinton's feet and swallows her up, this state is hers in November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 22, 2016, 09:02:09 PM

It's been entertaining, but if the Republicans hope to pull this out they need to unite around a candidate now, and work damn hard to undo the damage this infighting has caused.

RNC chief warns Trump supporters and opponents

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/22/politics/republican-national-committee-reince-priebus-donald-trump/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 22, 2016, 10:20:35 PM

What could happen if Trump is NOT selected, and decides to run for President as an Independent??

What would be the consequences in the above, if he won?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 22, 2016, 11:52:13 PM

If Trump gets the Republican nomination he will rip Hillary to pieces in the debates and campaign. Even if she wins everything that Trump has said about her will cast a shadow over her presidency. People are suspicious now about her. Just wait and see how they will be once he gets done giving them some new ideas about her crooked shenanigans. The big money people who back her want her to have credibility and the support of the people. She is after all their puppet. Trump is and will be spoiling their puppet. If Hillary gets in she will have the highest negative ratings of any President.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 23, 2016, 12:09:37 AM

Some in this thread are absolutely certain that the polling results are indicative of what will happen so many months in the future.

Perhaps this poll, which allows you to compare polls made versus the ACTUAL result, would prove instructive:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_republican_presidential_primary-4222.html

Note the huge spread, and wide variation between polls, for Trump - RCP average of poll gave him 53.1% , he actually received 60.4% .

Even the 14000 person likely voters poll was way off. Someone was quoting margins of error correlated with sample sizes, earlier? :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 23, 2016, 12:59:10 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 22, 2016, 10:20:35 PM

What could happen if Trump is NOT selected, and decides to run for President as an Independent??

What would be the consequences in the above, if he won?

It would split the vote just as if two Republicans were running against one Democrat. The Demo would win. But then If HC is still in the race I suppose Bernie could also split off no? Would a four way run be possible??

Most likely it will not end with a split. It would be suicide for everyone and besides, the Donald will get his number.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on April 23, 2016, 01:07:34 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 22, 2016, 10:20:35 PM

What could happen if Trump is NOT selected, and decides to run for President as an Independent??

What would be the consequences in the above, if he won?

It is not going to happen. Nearly 25 per cent of the states have closed the ballot for November already and he can not get on it. By the convention nearly half of the states will have closed the ballot. This way any loser at any convention can not really run.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 23, 2016, 09:23:34 AM

Gipsy:

I finally figured out an answer to help you understand the US political system.

In your own country, you vote for your local members of Parliament by district. In a district there may be multiple candidates representing various political parties from which the voter may choose. In your instance a MAJORITY of the vote is highly unlikely therefore most are elected with a PLURALITY of the vote. This might explain your belief in the fairness of pluralities rather than majorities.

Currently, the House of Commons is made up of 650 members, with the following affiliations: Conservative 330, Labour 229, Scottish National Party 54, Democratic Unionist Party 8, Liberal Democrat 8, Independent 4, Sinn Fein 4, Plaid Cymru 3, Social Democratic & Labour Party 3, Ulster Unionist Party 2, Green Party 1, Speaker 1, UK Independence Party 1, Vacant 2.

From what I understand, when the Party that wins the election their first job is to form a government by coalition so they control 50% or a MAJORITY. The current coalition results in a working government majority of 18.

Requiring a majority insures you are governing with the legitimate authority of the people being governed. Like your House of Commons, this is why the Republican Party requires a majority of delegates in order to win the Party's Presidential nomination.

Clear things up for you a bit?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 23, 2016, 09:26:43 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 22, 2016, 07:31:42 PM

God only knows why anyone would think that Wisconsin is a swing state because a Republican presidential candidate hasn't carried it since 1988 and Obama won by 7.3%/6.9% in 2008/2012, respectively.

Wrong candidate.

Perform the same analysis with Cruz and/or Kasich as the Republican candidate.

Wisconisn VERY MUCH becomes a swing state.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 23, 2016, 10:02:20 AM

^ Tell it to the Republicans who choose a candidate based on his being as stupid, ignorant and prejudiced as they are. Of course, the situation would be reversed if Kasich were the candidate, but he has some fatal flaws: he isn't stupid, ignorant and prejudiced enough.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 23, 2016, 11:15:57 AM

^ So who are you going to vote for Tom and why? What do you think he/she will do for you and America? Or are you too much of a coward to state your position?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 23, 2016, 07:25:04 PM

^ I got a little nasty in my above comment, sorry. You've probably got a reason why.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 23, 2016, 07:56:56 PM

It seems Cruz's stunt in Colorado of stealing all the delegates backfired on him. According to the Reuters poll Cruz has dropped 9% in support while Trump has gained an additional 9% to his numbers from the day of the steal.

Then April 9th Trump 40% Cruz 37%
Now April 22nd Trump 49% Cruz 28%

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-24%20at%205.50.55%20AM_zpsn3coji34.png)

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2016/04/22/ted-cruz-lost-net-18-points-since-colorado/

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Ted Cruz net -18 points since Colorado

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 23, 2016, 08:31:56 PM

Maine's Governor Paul LePage

Paul LePage, Maine's Governor
Yesterday at 3:10am ·

Quote

Governor LePage Calls on Ted Cruz to Condemn Dirty Tricks by Campaign Operative at GOP Convention
AUGUSTA – Governor Paul R. LePage released a statement today opposing the underhanded tactics being used by operatives for Ted Cruz's national campaign at the Maine Republican Convention.
"Maine Republicans cast their votes at caucus and elected 12 delegates for Ted Cruz, 9 for Donald Trump and 2 for John Kasich," said Governor LePage. "We reached a deal with Cruz's national campaign to put up a unity slate that would honor the wishes of the thousands of Mainers who voted at caucus. But Cruz's Northeast Political Director David Sawyer lied to us and broke the deal. Sawyer stabbed us in the back, reneged on the unity slate and betrayed the Maine people."
"As we have seen throughout the country, Cruz’s national campaign is run by greedy political hooligans. These are the same operatives in the Republican Establishment who worked for Mitt Romney to disenfranchise Maine delegates in 2012. They are using sneaky and deceitful operators like Sawyer to try to subvert the democratic process and take all 23 delegates. I can't stand by and watch as Cruz and the Republican Establishment forcibly overrule the votes of Mainers who chose Trump and Kasich."
"Not only are Cruz’s national campaign operatives trying to suppress delegates for Trump and Kasich, but they are also besmirching the efforts of the many good Maine Republicans who are Cruz supporters. They, too, deserve better than these devious machinations by professional political operators from the Republican Establishment who are scheming to stifle the voice of Mainer voters.”
"I call on Senator Cruz to condemn Sawyer's disrespectful and dishonest tactics in Maine. Cruz is an honorable man, and I am confident that he will do the right thing by Maine people."

Will Cruz condemn these tactics as the Maine governor has called him to do? Or will he accept this and called it "a landslide victory" as he called Colorado?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 24, 2016, 09:18:31 AM

Bobby Knight, could bring support along with a bit of drama in Indiana.
As a coach he was a bit hot tempered.

Trump lets big name endorsement slip at Connecticut rally

http://m.aol.com/article/2016/04/24/trump-lets-big-name-endorsement-slip-at-connecticut-rally/21349927/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 24, 2016, 07:23:28 PM

More than 60,000 disgruntled Pennsylvania Democrats switch parties
By Lisa Mascaro, Tribune Washington Bureau Today at 3:13 p.m.

BEAVER, Pa. — A retired middle school principal was so moved by Donald Trump that he switched his Democratic Party registration so he can vote for him in Tuesday’s Republican presidential primary.

So did the daughter of a steelworker, who twice voted for President Barack Obama but says she is “over” the Democrats’ political correctness.

And a husband-wife team of Trump volunteers — she’s a laid-off airport worker, he’s a laid-off truck driver — were Democrats for 30 years, until recently.

“We always voted Democrat,” said Laurie McGinnis, as her husband Ricky hung a Trump banner outside their South Greensburg home. “But not any more.”

Some of these newly minted Pennsylvania Republicans are formalizing a process that began with Ronald Reagan’s election in 1980, when conservative-leaning Democrats began shifting away from the party in the faded industrial state.

Others moved abruptly, inspired by Trump and fed up with a party they say no longer speaks their language.

Together the result is one of the most sizable shifts of partisan allegiance ever in Pennsylvania: 61,500 Democrats have become Republicans so far this year, part of a 145,000 jump in Republican registrations since the fall 2015 election, according to state figures analyzed by both parties. It’s more new Republicans than in the previous four years combined.

The onslaught has helped make Trump the favorite heading into Tuesday’s primary, helping put Pennsylvania, which voted for Obama twice, in play in the November presidential election.

“The party-switching has been going on in an evolutionary way for two decades. This just propelled it faster,” said G. Terry Madonna, a professor at Franklin and Marshall University in Lancaster, Pa. “Many of them are Reagan Democrats – white, working-class, blue-collar, incomes of $35,000 to $40,000 or less, high school educations or less.”

“They feel frustrated, they feel left behind,” Madonna said. “They feel Trump is sticking it to the man.”

East of urban Pittsburgh, at Trump headquarters in Monroeville, volunteer Tricia Cunningham said that half the people who walk through the door are party switchers. So many supporters have come in to pick up lawn signs or volunteer that the office has had to open a second floor, and signs are limited to just one per person, Cunningham said.

Even her mother, a lifelong Democrat now living in a nearby nursing home, made the change, she said.

“I look in the mirror and I say, ‘What the hell are you doing?’” Rox Sarrao, the former principal, said with a laugh. He voted for Obama in 2008 and had kept his party affiliation so he could back Democrats in local elections even though he was once a Republican. He went to the county courthouse last month to switch to the GOP. He now drives 40 miles daily to volunteer at the Trump office.

In some ways, it’s no great political mystery what has happened in Pennsylvania, where the remains of the long-gone steel industry rust the landscape and coal country fights for its life.

The mostly white electorate here comes from an earlier iteration of the American melting pot –– Eastern Europeans, Italians, Irish –– who have little resemblance to the newer Democratic coalition of young people, minorities and urban white-collar professionals. Many families have stayed here for generations, as the nation’s economy and demographic trends have moved on.

“We voted Democrat for 59 years,” said Eleanor Kanick, a retired postmaster, with her husband Stanley, a welder, in Avonmore. “Our parents were Democrats, too. I said they’re going to turn over in their graves.”

Tom Balya, a former Democratic County Commissioner in Westmoreland who hosts a local radio show, said callers often voice fears about shifting socioeconomic conditions that have left them struggling to keep up. It’s going take a generation for Democrats to recoup their losses, he said.

“They see this world changing around them,” he said. “It’s a generational thing. You’re not going to get people over 50 to change their beliefs. It’s not going to change quickly.”

But others see a deeper disconnect in a Democratic Party that has put its emphasis on attracting moneyed metropolitan voters and fast-growing minority groups while taking its core blue-collar electorate for granted, a theory spelled out by author Thomas Frank in his new book, “Listen, Liberal.”

Dorothy “Sissy” Aukscunas grew up not far from where she lives now in Beaver. Her father, a Serbian immigrant, was a foreman at a steel mill, the kind of job that enabled his wife to stay home and raise four children.

During the 2008 Democratic primary, she gathered her own young granddaughter to watch history unfold on TV, and cried when Hillary Clinton lost to Obama.

At a coffee shop downtown with her 33-year-old son Micah –– who also switched from Democrat to Republican— she said she’s tired of the Democraatic Party championing “politically correct” issues, like who should bake a cake for a gay wedding or whether to say “Happy Holidays” instead of “Merry Christmas,” at a time when terrorism is intensifying and families are struggling to live on wages that haven’t budged from what her husband earned 30 years ago.

“I would say the Democratic Party moved away from me,” she said. “I didn’t move away from it.”

The more she watched Clinton this time, the less she liked, sensing an opportunist politician moving too far to the left to keep pace with the popularity of rival Bernie Sanders.

“One of the main things I noticed was how intolerant tolerant people had become,” she said. “I noticed it in me as well.”

It was a difficult decision to switch, she said, but when her driver’s license came due last fall, she was at the motor vehicle office when she checked the box.

Her grandchildren, who align more with Sanders, have not been pleased.

“I had to go from being a cool Mimi to now I’m a fogey,” she said. “I’m OK with it.”

Democrats downplay the shift as notable but insignificant. When matched with 89,000 new Democrats registered since fall, the overall boost was 56,000 new Republicans in a state with more than 8 million voters. Democrats still hold a more than 900,000-voter advantage over the Republicans in Pennsylvania.

“It fits nicely with the narrative that Trump’s going to bring out this whole cadre of voters … and bring in states like Pennsylvania and the Rust Belt that haven’t been in play for a while,” said Democratic Party spokesman Preston Maddock. “I’ll believe it when I see it.”

At the same time, Republican officials are not necessarily doing backflips over the registration surge. They are very much aware that enthusiasm is more a vote for Trump than an affirmation of the their party. The state’s closed primary system forces voters to choose parties or sit out Tuesday’s contests.

The Republicans know knows its hold on these voters is tenuous.

“Both parties have lost track of how to reach out to middle-class voters,” said Michael T. Korns, Republican Party chairman in Westmoreland County, the next county over from Trump’s headquarters. “I don’t think anyone has been talking directly to voters in Westmoreland County. What we’ve been getting for a long time is basically ignored.”

Laurie McGinnis, 49, and her husband, Ricky, 57, who grew up in the area and met as school bus drivers, were watching the first Republican debate last summer when they began thinking about switching.

“We were just sitting there with our mouths open, in awe,” said McGinnis, who, like her husband, now collects disability benefits after both were laid off.

They were impressed by Trump’s willingness to talk critically about immigrants and others in a way that other politicians wouldn’t dare. “The silent majority’s been kept quiet by all the political correctness in the world,” she said, reading from some notes she had jotted in a notebook to organize her thoughts.

Even though thieves stole their Trump yard sign, she was stapling a new one to a flagpole Friday evening. Ricky hung it outside their tidy home, as the 4-year-old granddaughter they are raising looked on.

“I don’t care how many signs they steal,” she said. “It’s not going to change the voters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 25, 2016, 12:37:08 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 23, 2016, 09:23:34 AM

Gipsy:

I finally figured out an answer to help you understand the US political system.

In your own country, you vote for your local members of Parliament by district. In a district there may be multiple candidates representing various political parties from which the voter may choose. In your instance a MAJORITY of the vote is highly unlikely therefore most are elected with a PLURALITY of the vote. This might explain your belief in the fairness of pluralities rather than majorities.

Currently, the House of Commons is made up of 650 members, with the following affiliations: Conservative 330, Labour 229, Scottish National Party 54, Democratic Unionist Party 8, Liberal Democrat 8, Independent 4, Sinn Fein 4, Plaid Cymru 3, Social Democratic & Labour Party 3, Ulster Unionist Party 2, Green Party 1, Speaker 1, UK Independence Party 1, Vacant 2.

From what I understand, when the Party that wins the election their first job is to form a government by coalition so they control 50% or a MAJORITY. The current coalition results in a working government majority of 18.

Requiring a majority insures you are governing with the legitimate authority of the people being governed. Like your House of Commons, this is why the Republican Party requires a majority of delegates in order to win the Party's Presidential nomination.

Clear things up for you a bit?

Just a bit, thanks...

Looks as if Cruz and Kasich are forming a consolidated attack on your future President... :laugh:

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36127175

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 25, 2016, 01:07:37 AM

:laugh:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/664076/ted-cruz-obama-trade-deal-brexit-opportunity

Twisted knickers time...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 25, 2016, 03:11:14 AM

The comments made by Obama about a decade or more to make trade agreement with the UK was not at al helpful to persuade the UK to stay with the EU, if for no other treason than it is untrue - a lie.

As I have said previously, the kind of things being told to USAians do not work in an educated society.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 25, 2016, 03:32:07 AM

I think he is hurting his objective. People do not trust him. So they are more likely to believe the opposite of what he advocates.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 25, 2016, 03:39:13 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 25, 2016, 03:32:07 AM

I think he is hurting his objective. People do not trust him. So they are more likely to believe the opposite of what he advocates.

I think this is true.

However, it does seem that the Brexit crowd were a little concerned that Obama's words did have an effect.

It should be remembered that Obama's visit and its purpose were well signposted ahead of time. The US has made its position absolutely clear on the matter. This is not about trade, but that may well become a stick with which to beat the people of Great Britain. I am also certain that if we do vote to leave that we will be punished for that choice.

Also, we should remember that if we do vote to leave the leaving is not like walking out of the house and locking the door behind us. There is a multi-year transition process wherein relationships with other stakeholders (including the US) are expected to be negotiated. In most respects, for several years, at least, it will be status quo while the exit is negotiated.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 25, 2016, 04:10:02 AM

If you know anything about Obama you will know he opposes nationalism, patriotism, independence especially of individuals and anything attached to preserving traditional customs and culture. This guy is a globalist through and through. Brexit goes against everything he believes in. Frankly for his cause he should stay out of it. He does more damage to his cause than help it. He is just too arrogant to see it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 25, 2016, 04:52:32 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 25, 2016, 03:11:14 AM

The comments made by Obama about a decade or more to make trade agreement with the UK was not at al helpful to persuade the UK to stay with the EU, if for no other treason than it is untrue - a lie.

As I have said previously, the kind of things being told to USAians do not work in an educated society.

I agree, and feel that it will serve to stop people from voting for change.

If I was the boss though, and he said it to me, I would be telling him that he could stick his F35's right where the sun don't shine..

Now, when we getting that trade deal Mr President??

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 25, 2016, 05:00:13 AM

Yeah, but you ain't the boss and the boss is on the same side as Obama.

When it comes to trade deals, it isn't hard. At the least matters continue as they are already.
But as I already wrote, this is not about trade. This is about influence and access. We are the US colony with a big boot inside the EU. The US influence decreases without the access that we provide. This may be a psychological rather than real thing, but the effect is there, all the same.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Chris on April 25, 2016, 06:39:04 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 25, 2016, 03:11:14 AM

The comments made by Obama about a decade or more to make trade agreement with the UK was not at al helpful to persuade the UK to stay with the EU, if for no other treason than it is untrue - a lie.

As I have said previously, the kind of things being told to USAians do not work in an educated society.

He ain't helping at all and if that is what he said then it is a lie. It took Australia with a far smaller population only 10 months to arrange a trade agreement with the US.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 25, 2016, 07:30:26 AM

Quote from: Chris on April 25, 2016, 06:39:04 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 25, 2016, 03:11:14 AM
The comments made by Obama about a decade or more to make trade agreement with the UK was not at al helpful to persuade the UK to stay with the EU, if for no other treason than it is untrue - a lie.

As I have said previously, the kind of things being told to USAians do not work in an educated society.

He ain't helping at all and if that is what he said then it is a lie. It took Australia with a far smaller population only 10 months to arrange a trade agreement with the US.

Probably because the Yanks were pushing the Aussies to tie up the purchase of some rather expensive military equipment from Yankee manufacturers..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 25, 2016, 08:05:07 AM

Entertaining to watch the desperate Trump campaign, with the realization that they've already lost virtually all of the 56 uncommitted Pennsylvania votes to Cruz, selling hard the spin of the "inevitability of a Trump victory" in spite of the raw mathematics that indicates otherwise.

Desperately hoping to extend their New York momentum to Cleveland and can catch some of the weaker delegates by inviting them to celebrate and participate with the "kool kids" in the growing momentum of an eventual Trump victory.

Ain't happening.

Hardly a surprise. Not many more options left to them after Manafort admitted to the RNC in Florida last week that Trump has been lying about building a wall and deporting all illegal immigrants. He's just "playing a role".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 25, 2016, 08:25:17 AM

Just ordered my new shirt

:bow:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 25, 2016, 12:40:42 PM

http://www.redstate.com/diary/creinstein/2016/04/22/290282/

Best and most accurate estimation of the Republican delegate count and why Trump has ZERO chance of winning the nomination.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 25, 2016, 12:56:54 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 25, 2016, 12:40:42 PM

http://www.redstate.com/diary/creinstein/2016/04/22/290282/

Best and most accurate estimation of the Republican delegate count and why Trump has ZERO chance of winning the nomination.

Then there is going to be millions and million of really pis$ed off people

From Breitbart (Via Drudge):

Exclusive Data Analysis: Donald Trump Wins More Than 2 Million More Votes Than Mitt Romney in 2012 in States Voting So Far
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/25/exclusive-data-analysis-donald-trump-2016-wins-2-million-votes-mitt-romney-2012-states-voting-far/
by MATTHEW BOYLE AND ANDY BADOLATO25 Apr 2016364
Data compiled since the New York GOP primary shows that billionaire Donald Trump’s popular vote total in 2016 in states that have voted so far significantly exceeds the vote totals that Mitt Romney, the 2012 nominee, had in those states in total.

All in all, in the contests that have been had so far in 2016, Trump towers over Romney—having won more than 2 million more votes in the 2016 GOP primaries. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97%
, the next closest vote-getter to Trump this cycle, falls just under 300,000 votes short of Romney’s totals in the 2012 cycle.

In total, Trump has received 8,776,586 votes so far this year in states that have already held primaries or caucuses or conventions. In those same states in 2012, Romney received 6,654,029 votes—a whopping 2,122,557 votes less than Donald Trump. That means Trump has gotten a 31.79 percent increase over Romney’s totals.

and TRUMP SOARS IN NEW POLLS: +26 PA...+34 CT...+38 RI...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 25, 2016, 01:50:30 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 25, 2016, 12:56:54 PM

Then there is going to be millions and million of really pis$ed off people

39% does not equal 1237.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 25, 2016, 03:25:30 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 25, 2016, 12:40:42 PM

http://www.redstate.com/diary/creinstein/2016/04/22/290282/

Best and most accurate estimation of the Republican delegate count and why Trump has ZERO chance of winning the nomination.

Site indicates: Same group of morons who were sure that Trump would lose at least 20 delegates in NY state.

See my previous response to that demonstration of accuracy: http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.msg438517.html#msg438517

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 25, 2016, 03:26:34 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 25, 2016, 01:50:30 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 25, 2016, 12:56:54 PM
Then there is going to be millions and million of really pis$ed off people

39% does not equal 1237.

So the question seems pretty obvious:

Which of the candidates, has done better than 39% of the total votes cast?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 25, 2016, 04:22:06 PM

Trump does have the possibility of picking up some of Rubio's delegates that are not bound to the first round vote.
Don't count out Trump, he has a real shot at winning.

Rubio's Delegates Still in Play Thanks to GOP Rules

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/719976

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 25, 2016, 05:06:56 PM

Trump is playing the game to win.

Megyn Kelly lands Donald Trump interview

April 25 NEW YORKThe long-awaited Megyn Kelly-Donald Trump rematch is set

http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/25/media/megyn-kelly-donald-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 25, 2016, 07:46:00 PM

If John Kasich Does not Quit, Donald Trump Will Reach 1,237 on the First Ballot. Here is Proof.

http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/04/25/john-kasich-quit-donald-trump-will-reach-1237-first-ballot/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 25, 2016, 08:03:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 25, 2016, 12:40:42 PM

http://www.redstate.com/diary/creinstein/2016/04/22/290282/

Best and most accurate estimation of the Republican delegate count and why Trump has ZERO chance of winning the nomination.

I know you would like it to be true but you have the same disease as the party. Since the start they were in denial. First Trump will pull out, then with each thing said or done he was finished. Now the big news is concerning the contested voting because Trump will not get to his number and in the middle there are predictions made by people who wish for Trump to disappear.

What I like about good news stories is the comments that follow and this is what I learned from the comments of this one.

One man found a 15 delegate math mistake which was acknowledged by the OP. The same man later found another 50 delegate mistake but was ignored. Another man found a couple 2-3 delegate state mistakes and was criticized by the OP for nitpicking.

Several posters criticized the state predictions and I must agree. Even the OP admits that where there are no reliable polls he relies on the general slant of the media stories to predict the winner. My guess is that he will see the error of his ways in Washington and Oregon but it is not written in stone.

Not saying that his predictions cannot happen. My own predictions are only assumptions. I just cannot see touting an absolute 1% chance of gaining the nomination based on 20 or so assumptions half of which are based on sloppy math and polls which are changing just about every day and mostly for Trump it appears.

This week is a cakewalk for Trump and everyone knows it. Next month is no-mans land and we will watch the fireworks from there to the end.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on April 25, 2016, 08:26:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 25, 2016, 12:40:42 PM

http://www.redstate.com/diary/creinstein/2016/04/22/290282/

Best and most accurate estimation of the Republican delegate count and why Trump has ZERO chance of winning the nomination.

Three things here.

First, if Trump has zero chance of winning why is there a recently formed Stop Trump Pack with 450 million dollars trying to derail his chances? Do you think these guys just want to throw away money?

Secondly, why to the other two candidates just form a pack a stop Trump pack on their own? They would not do this if his chances were zero. This is interesting because in forming this pack the other candidates admitted they are running out of money. If donors thought they were going to win they would not be having this problem.

Then third, why does Hillary keep attacking Donald Trump and nobody else. Maybe somehow she did not get that memo about Trump did not have a chance. I bet she know more about this than the rest of us.

I am not saying he is going to win but there is a chance he very well might.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on April 25, 2016, 11:10:00 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 25, 2016, 08:26:20 PM

a recently formed Stop Trump Pack with 450 million dollars trying to derail his chances

American democracy. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 26, 2016, 01:23:23 AM

Quote from: Manny on April 25, 2016, 11:10:00 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 25, 2016, 08:26:20 PM
a recently formed Stop Trump Pack with 450 million dollars trying to derail his chances

American democracy. :coffeeread:

450 Million US is a lot less than the 10 Billion Russia offered Ukraine to keep their stooge Yanukovych.

Russian democracy. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 26, 2016, 01:53:48 AM

Trump is leading both Republicans and Democrats this year.

Trump has—

** More primary wins than any candidate (18)

** More overall state wins than any candidate (21)

** The highest percentage of primary wins (82%)

** The highest percent of overall state wins (64%)

** The highest percent of primary delegates (68%)

** The highest percent of overall delegates (60%)

** And Trump now leads all candidates in the highest percent of overall votes (58%).

And Donald Trump started out last year competing against 16 primary opponents.
(Note although not noted at RealClearPolitics.com caucus wins for Cruz in Colorado, Wyoming and North Dakota, Sanders in Maine, Alaska and Washington and Hillary in Iowa and Nevada were added to these results. These states show no winners currently in the RCP data. If these caucus wins were not added to the data, Trump would be even further ahead in the areas mentioned above.)

To date, the Democratic race has been tighter than the Republican race based on wins and delegates. (However, the Democrats also have super delegates which are highly in Hillary’s favor at 502 to 38 for Sanders which are not included in these totals.) It continues to be very clear that both Cruz and Sanders benefit from caucuses over primaries.

As noted earlier Cruz will not only be mathematically eliminated from obtaining enough delegates to win the election outright by April 26th, he will have fallen to third place in popularity too.

Cruz needs two out of every three delegates next Tuesday to stay alive but he is way behind Trump in polling and currently in 3rd place in some of these states and therefore will be done Tuesday per data from RCP.

Bernie too will be mathematically eliminated from gaining enough delegates by next Tuesday. He currently needs a little less than half of the delegates next week to stay alive but is also behind in the polls to Hillary.

Bernie, like Cruz, will be mathematically eliminated from obtaining enough delegates to win the election outright next week.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 26, 2016, 07:58:36 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 26, 2016, 01:53:48 AM

Bernie, like Cruz, will be mathematically eliminated from obtaining enough delegates to win the election outright next week.

The only caveat to this is how locked into the choice of HRC, the superdelegates are. I don't know the Dem rules well enough, I admit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 26, 2016, 08:22:55 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 26, 2016, 01:53:48 AM

Trump is leading both Republicans and Democrats this year.

Trump has—

** More primary wins than any candidate (18)

** More overall state wins than any candidate (21)

** The highest percentage of primary wins (82%)

** The highest percent of overall state wins (64%)

** The highest percent of primary delegates (68%)

** The highest percent of overall delegates (60%)

** And Trump now leads all candidates in the highest percent of overall votes (58%).

He also has:

** A negative rating of 70% from registered female voters

** A negative rating of 80% from registered hispanic voters

** A negative rating of 60% of Americans

** A negative rating of 93% from registered black voters

The guy CANNOT beat Hillary Clinton or anybody else in a national election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 26, 2016, 11:45:19 AM

Trump breaks the 50% threshold in a recent poll. He's also gaining on Hillary. Hope you change your mind Shakespear, be loyal, and vote for the nominee which is going to be Trump.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-breaks-50-percent-mark-in-national-poll/ar-BBshgEI?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 26, 2016, 02:40:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 26, 2016, 08:22:55 AM

Quote from: Maxx on April 26, 2016, 01:53:48 AM

Trump is leading both Republicans and Democrats this year.

Trump has—

** More primary wins than any candidate (18)

** More overall state wins than any candidate (21)

** The highest percentage of primary wins (82%)

** The highest percent of overall state wins (64%)

** The highest percent of primary delegates (68%)

** The highest percent of overall delegates (60%)

** And Trump now leads all candidates in the highest percent of overall votes (58%).

He also has:

** A negative rating of 70% from registered female voters

** A negative rating of 80% from registered hispanic voters

** A negative rating of 60% of Americans

** A negative rating of 93% from registered black voters

The guy CANNOT beat Hillary Clinton or anybody else in a national election.

That must be why he has a positive rating from Team Putin & allies:

PUTIN-ALLY GIVES THUMBS UP TO TRUMP AS HIS CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT

http://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-hails-trump-pragmatic-choice-president-452665

Putin-ally and Russian lawmaker Alexei Pushkov has called ex-U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton “deluded” and tipped Donald Trump as the best choice for the U.S. presidency.

Speaking to Russian daily newspaper Izvestia, Pushkov, who heads the Russian parliament’s International Relations Committee and is an outspoken member of Russia’s ruling United Russia party, shared his thoughts on U.S. politics. When asked which frontrunner would form an administration to “normalize” U.S.-Russian relations, Democrat Clinton or Republican Trump, Pushkov was resolute.

“Today, in the context of the election campaign, the more pragmatic one appears to be Donald Trump,” Pushkov said. “He expresses a readiness to negotiate with the Russian president and not to be in conflict with us, the way the current administration is.”

According to the Russian politician, Trump is the exception to all the other presidential hopefuls, apart from Democrat Bernie Sanders possibly, in not “taking a hard line against Russia.”

In Pushkov’s eyes, anti-Russian rhetoric has become commonplace among the “Washington elite.”

Pushkov did not only rate Trump ahead of his rivals in this campaign, but also praised him in contrast to current the U.S. president, Barack Obama, and his predecessor George W. Bush.

“As a whole, Trump looks less ideologically burdened than Obama. He’s a businessman and he looks at everything like another deal,” Pushkov said. “That is not the worst approach if we compare it with the purely ideological fundamentalism of the Bush and Obama administrations, who, in the name of liberal pseudo-values, have ruined lives, regions and people.”

Trump boasted of being “stablemates” with Putin on the night he and the Russian leader featured on separate segments of the U.S. news show 60 Minutes. He has also criticised Obama for his administration’s policy to Putin and candidly accepted the Kremlin’s compliments.

Pushkov noted that “it is a different question” if Trump retains this attitude toward Russia should he become president but but praised the real-estate mogul’s “respectful” and “positive” rhetoric to Putin and Russia so far.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 26, 2016, 04:24:40 PM

In 2008, Obama took Pennsylvania by 10.3 points. It might have been closer, had not McCain chosen a running mate who is arguably more disgusting than Victoria Nuland. Except for a small McCain lead in March, the poll plot was unremarkable.

The 2012 poll plot was even more unremarkable: Obama outperformed yet again and Romney never had a chance.

Moving on to 2016, only Fox believes that Trump has a chance at a tie, but that data point is an obvious flier. Trump may have a chance somewhere, but not in Pennsylvania. Plus 7.4 points is not a toss-up; I have adjusted the electoral map accordingly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on April 26, 2016, 05:54:26 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 25, 2016, 11:10:00 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 25, 2016, 08:26:20 PM
a recently formed Stop Trump Pack with 450 million dollars trying to derail his chances

American democracy. :coffeeread:

There is some very serious problems that have developed in time of the concept of free speech. Anybody can place an ad and support the candidate of their choice. It may sound good at first but what it has become is something that is a real problem.

It is too bad you are not able to look at Russia as objectively and see the real short coming there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 26, 2016, 05:57:24 PM

The Republican Convention Will Not Be Contested

https://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2016/04/25/the-republican-convention-will-not-be-contested/

Apologies to those who still don't accept the inevitability of a Donald Trump candidacy in the Republican Party -- I feel your pain, as a famous prevaricator/predator once said -- but, disappointing as it may be to Fox and CNN executives, not to mention the millions or hundreds of thousands of voters loyal to Messrs. Cruz and Kasich, it's all over but the shouting and the backbiting. Cleveland in July may not be Christmas in July, but it's not going to be the second coming of the 1992 L.A. riots or the 1968 Chicago convention either.

It's going to be business -- relatively -- as usual with a Republican nominee comfortably in place before the festivities begin. And we all know who that is, like it or not. The fat lady has sung -- with a Queens accent.

I know that many see this as a disaster. The Republican Party will disintegrate. The Congress will turn blue never to return, etc. etc.

I don't. I'm sure that since I am a Trump supporter -- even though an intermittent and ambivalent one -- people will disqualify my opinion, and perhaps they should, but I don't have that worry. I think, as the old saying goes, things happen for a reason. I agree with Tucker Carlson, who said on The Kelly File Monday night that Trump was the only candidate with a chance of defeating Hillary Clinton in the general election. It is only Trump, of all the Republicans, if indeed he is a Republican, who is enough of a wild card to overcome the new American demographics that so favor Democratic candidates in presidential elections. They were bad enough when Obama ran against Romney. They are worse now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 26, 2016, 06:42:56 PM

Apr 26

Connecticut · 28 delegates15% reporting · Trump won and has 16 delegates

Delaware · 16 delegatesTrump won and has 16 delegates

Maryland · 38 delegates0% reporting · Trump won and has 26 delegates

Pennsylvania · 17 delegatesTrump won and has 17 delegates

Rhode Island · 19 delegates6% reporting · Trump won

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 26, 2016, 06:46:10 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 26, 2016, 05:57:24 PM

Apologies to those who still don't accept the inevitability of a Donald Trump candidacy in the Republican Party -- I feel your pain

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 26, 2016, 06:57:56 PM

I keep hearing Shakespear say, "Trump's only got 39% of the vote! :GRRRR:"

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Well it looks more like 60% and fast closing in on 70%. :party0031: :party0011: :party0031: :party0011:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 26, 2016, 07:01:28 PM

Should Donald Trump be the nominee, who do you think would make the best choice for a running mate?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 26, 2016, 07:25:46 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 26, 2016, 07:01:28 PM

Should Donald Trump be the nominee, who do you think would make the best choice for a running mate?

If he could woo him I would like Marco Rubio. Chris Christie would also be a very good choice.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 26, 2016, 07:45:37 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 26, 2016, 07:25:46 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 26, 2016, 07:01:28 PM
Should Donald Trump be the nominee, who do you think would make the best choice for a running mate?

If he could woo him I would like Marco Rubio. Chris Christie would also be a very good choice.

R.I.N.O.

Watch this and see why Trump would never choose Rubio or anyone that is acceptable to the establishment.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 26, 2016, 07:50:19 PM

Trump is on LIVE

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 26, 2016, 08:32:01 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 26, 2016, 07:45:37 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 26, 2016, 07:25:46 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on April 26, 2016, 07:01:28 PM
Should Donald Trump be the nominee, who do you think would make the best choice for a running mate?

If he could woo him I would like Marco Rubio. Chris Christie would also be a very good choice.

R.I.N.O.

Watch this and see why Trump would never choose Rubio or anyone that is acceptable to the establishment.

Rubio would help woo the Hispanic vote and he would also help woo RINO's like Shakespear. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 26, 2016, 09:04:22 PM

Bill Hemmer of Fox News predicts that Trump will get to 1250 delegates before the convention. Furthermore Trump is already starting to hammer Hillary as well as encouraging Bernie Sanders to run as an Independent, which would split the Democratic vote in half. It's all over Shakespear, however I know you will not admit defeat until the very end, and I admire your persistence. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 26, 2016, 09:08:23 PM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-27%20at%207.02.20%20AM_zpsppjkcfs7.png)

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/official-ted-cruz-mathematically-eliminated-gop-race/

Ted Cruz is eliminated.
It is clear that Cruz was eliminated tonight.
It is not clear yet on how devastating the final numbers will be for Ted Cruz.

After winning all five primaries tonight — Connecticut, Rhode Island, Delaware, Maryland and Pennsylvania — Donald Trump has 945 delegates so far.

Ted Cruz finished third in Connecticut, Maryland, Delaware and Rhode Island.

There are fewer delegates remaining than we originally projected because the delegates in Wyoming, Colorado and North Dakota were allocated in shady voter-less elections after April 2nd.

After tonight’s primaries Cruz has — 559 delegates – He did not win a single delegate tonight.
Cruz needs 678 delegates to reach 1,237 delegates.
There are only 651 available.
It’s over.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on April 26, 2016, 09:23:28 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 25, 2016, 05:00:13 AM

Yeah, but you ain't the boss and the boss is on the same side as Obama.

When it comes to trade deals, it isn't hard. At the least matters continue as they are already.
But as I already wrote, this is not about trade. This is about influence and access. We are the US colony with a big boot inside the EU. The US influence decreases without the access that we provide. This may be a psychological rather than real thing, but the effect is there, all the same.

The Ukraine was never important to the US. Influence and access to what? I personally wish the Ukraine was important to the US, it just is not. As soon as there was a problem Obama dropped it like a rock. In the US the vice president is really an un employed person. So not to let it look like the Ukraine has been dropped Obama turned it over to Biden who has no power in the US. A week or two ago, Poroshenko came to the US for a meeting where there were going to be several head of states. He thought that he was going to get time with Obama. Obama cancelled Poroshenko time and had Biden talk to him. After much begging Obama did talk to him for less than five minutes. This is where the Ukraine rates on Obama list of important. I do not see this changing soon.

The Ukraine is only important to Russia because not of what it can give Russia but what it could of cost Russia. Since Russia has destroyed it, the Ukraine no long can be much of a cost to Russia. The Ukraine does not have anything to give to the USA and the cost to save it is high. Trump has said he is going to abandon the Ukraine. I do not see Hillary doing much better. This is why I am so negative on the future of the Ukraine by 2018. Basically the Ukraine is a really nice piece of farm land between Poland that Russia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 26, 2016, 09:57:54 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 25, 2016, 12:40:42 PM

http://www.redstate.com/diary/creinstein/2016/04/22/290282/

Best and most accurate estimation of the Republican delegate count and why Trump has ZERO chance of winning the nomination.

Do you still, after seeing the results of April 26th, believe this to be the case?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 26, 2016, 10:22:31 PM

Texan77, you seem to need some help here, and I am willing to try. Please note, I was writing about the UK, the United Kingdom, not The Ukraine (sic).

Please reread what I wrote in that context.

However, Ukraine most certainly was important to the US, but the primary goals were not achieved. Secondary and tertiary goals however are being attained. I commend you to read some recent histories of Ukraine so that you can update your, sorely deficient, knowledge. Learn about NATO goals expected to be attained from EU association. Learn about access to Ukrainian assets for US interests. Learn something of US energy interests and how they intersect with ongoing US foreign policy. Learn about the desire of most of the US power vertical for either access to, or control, of, Russian assets.
If you do this, and it will take you a while, you might surprise even yourself.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on April 27, 2016, 12:05:29 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 26, 2016, 10:22:31 PM

Texan77, you seem to need some help here, and I am willing to try. Please note, I was writing about the UK, the United Kingdom, not The Ukraine (sic).

Please reread what I wrote in that context.

However, Ukraine most certainly was important to the US, but the primary goals were not achieved. Secondary and tertiary goals however are being attained. I commend you to read some recent histories of Ukraine so that you can update your, sorely deficient, knowledge. Learn about NATO goals expected to be attained from EU association. Learn about access to Ukrainian assets for US interests. Learn something of US energy interests and how they intersect with ongoing US foreign policy. Learn about the desire of most of the US power vertical for either access to, or control, of, Russian assets.
If you do this, and it will take you a while, you might surprise even yourself.

One Ukraine does not have any assets the US has an interest in.

NATO was dead before Russia invaded the Ukraine. The big out come from the Ukraine war is new life to NATO. Before nobody was talking about Russia as a threat now they are.

No energy in the Ukraine. They are energy net consumers. US does not need Ukrainian pipelines for anything. Power plants are very old and lucky to be still running. We surely did not want Ukrainian coal mines.

Gee what Russian assets are you talking about? No oil in the area. not many factories of defenses plants near Ukraine. The defense plants in Eastern Ukraine was looted very earlier in the war. They did not have anything that was useful to the US anyway.

Ukraine has very nice farmland that grows a lot of food. I have spend hours on busses looking at this nice land. Then you get to a city of old building, a few shopping malls, apartment blocks most not kept up, streets that need work, very old public transportation system and a lot of old people who need pensions. OK explain where the value is?

Yes, Ukraine has new PM and cabinet. Victory Nuland has pledged continuing US support, like she is in a position to pledge anything. Now they are suppose to pass anti corruption laws. Maybe they would really work on it but since they will never get Minsk 2 agreement to pass is there any point to pass these other laws.

The Ukraine was never important to the US. It barely ever made the news even when it was a war. It would be on for a few days for a few minutes a day then it the story would die. Most USAias ,as you call us, never knew there was a war in the Ukraine. It was a long ways away and nothing there important.

In the US our military budget must pass congress. The president can say what he want it to be but that is only his wish list. The secretary of defense has to stand before congressional committees and present reasons why he needs more money. Russia has made his job easy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 27, 2016, 01:03:22 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 26, 2016, 09:57:54 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 25, 2016, 12:40:42 PM
http://www.redstate.com/diary/creinstein/2016/04/22/290282/

Best and most accurate estimation of the Republican delegate count and why Trump has ZERO chance of winning the nomination.

Do you still, after seeing the results of April 26th, believe this to be the case?

Oh hell, he wasn't off by much.

Ted Cruz 20 :ROFL:, Kasich 24 :ROFL: Trump 108 :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on April 27, 2016, 02:21:58 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 27, 2016, 12:05:29 AM

Victory Nuland

Now there's a Freudian slip.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 27, 2016, 02:36:00 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 26, 2016, 07:01:28 PM

Should Donald Trump be the nominee, who do you think would make the best choice for a running mate?

TomT

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 27, 2016, 03:48:33 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 26, 2016, 07:01:28 PM

Should Donald Trump be the nominee, who do you think would make the best choice for a running mate?

Mia Love

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Love

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Mia_Love_official_congressional_photo_zpser79zoja.jpg)

She will have it be carefully vetted to see that she is not another Sarah Palin.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 27, 2016, 05:30:02 AM

I keep hearing about how great Hillary is going to do against Trump. Trump is about the crush the record for most primary voters ever whereas Hillary is...

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/26/exclusive-data-analysis-democrat-turnout-collapses-4-5-million-nearly-20-percent-2016-versus-2008/
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The dead must have come out in voted in Illinois (of course), Arizona and Michigan.

Watch what happens with Sanders' voters when Hillary steals the election with her bought off super delegates and Trump reminds them she won't release the transcripts for her 6 figure paid Goldman Sachs speeches.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 27, 2016, 05:59:35 AM

Quote from: bagalia on April 27, 2016, 01:03:22 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 26, 2016, 09:57:54 PM
Quote from: shakespear on April 25, 2016, 12:40:42 PM
http://www.redstate.com/diary/creinstein/2016/04/22/290282/

Best and most accurate estimation of the Republican delegate count and why Trump has ZERO chance of winning the nomination.

Do you still, after seeing the results of April 26th, believe this to be the case?

Oh hell, he wasn't off by much.

Ted Cruz 20 :ROFL:, Kasich 24 :ROFL: Trump 108 :ROFL:

These folks and their confirmation bias issues (Canute Complex).

Grasp at a straw and then seek justification for their choice rather than looking at the 'real' picture and working from 'real' data.

When folks behave in this manner they are unable to analyse and thus plan effectively. We keep on seeing this, time and time again. The failed Cruz/Kasich slime-ball deal was just another example. Not only did Kasich not bother to stand by his commitment, maybe the most sensible thing he did after his silly choice to sell out his supporters, but the stakeholders did not bother to look at the likely effect of their public betrayal. Their Canute Complex kicked in and led them to ignore the reality.

"What was the reality they ignored?" You ask.

Good question! The reality that was ignored was that as soon as they announced the deal Republicans who were minded to support Cruz or Kasich knew several things:
1) Neither man had any expectation of winning nomination through the electoral process.
2) Their support had been discarded by men who had betrayed them.
3) The nearest thing to an 'honest man' among the candidates was named Trump.
4) There is no point in voting for Kasich or Cruz - except if one seeks to act against Trump. The presidential campaign for Kasich and Cruz is ended.

The outcome, apart from Cruz, Kasich and their handlers and controllers getting wet feet from the incoming, unstoppable tide?
Trump received more votes and got more delegates than anyone had reasonably expected. From a figure less than 100 (at best) to over 100 - and all from people who resented being sold out by people who had been lying to them about becoming leader of 'The Free World'.

Canute Fever is a dangerous disease!

Here's the truth:
Right now Trump may, or may not, get the required number of delegates at the convention - we don't know yet.
But, we do know that the Republican party is showing that it is not worth a vote UNLESS that vote is for Trump. If he is not the nominated candidate in the General Election the Republican party is going to be very, very broken (not that it isn't in a bad way right now.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 27, 2016, 06:56:12 AM

LOL Shakes must be in denial and DETOX this AM.

Trump LANDSLIDE victory percentages - 83% of voters DO NOT want the Establishment:

60% afraid of el slicko Ted GOPe Cuck Cruz as El Presidente er ah um his Majestic Canadian Prime Minister?

Trump Wins by:

CT 57.7%

DE 60.8%

PA 56.7%

RI 63.8%

MD 54.4%

Reality now is that a Trump ceiling NEVER existed and would be higher if two loser candidates would just drop out.

Hermann Cain reported this morning that the so-called GOP Establishment is DELUSIONAL thinking that some how the can create enough chaos and defulgalities against Trump at the convention to steal the Nomination. Cain said it is now UNPATRIOTIC not to get behind Trump the only person with a hope of beating the hell out of Shrillery in the General Election.

Time to focus and Make America Great Again!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 07:16:07 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 26, 2016, 09:23:28 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 25, 2016, 05:00:13 AM
Yeah, but you ain't the boss and the boss is on the same side as Obama.

When it comes to trade deals, it isn't hard. At the least matters continue as they are already.
But as I already wrote, this is not about trade. This is about influence and access. We are the US colony with a big boot inside the EU. The US influence decreases without the access that we provide. This may be a psychological rather than real thing, but the effect is there, all the same.

The Ukraine was never important to the US. Influence and access to what? I personally wish the Ukraine was important to the US, it just is not. As soon as there was a problem Obama dropped it like a rock. In the US the vice president is really an un employed person. So not to let it look like the Ukraine has been dropped Obama turned it over to Biden who has no power in the US. A week or two ago, Poroshenko came to the US for a meeting where there were going to be several head of states. He thought that he was going to get time with Obama. Obama cancelled Poroshenko time and had Biden talk to him. After much begging Obama did talk to him for less than five minutes. This is where the Ukraine rates on Obama list of important. I do not see this changing soon.

The Ukraine is only important to Russia because not of what it can give Russia but what it could of cost Russia. Since Russia has destroyed it, the Ukraine no long can be much of a cost to Russia. The Ukraine does not have anything to give to the USA and the cost to save it is high. Trump has said he is going to abandon the Ukraine. I do not see Hillary doing much better. This is why I am so negative on the future of the Ukraine by 2018. Basically the Ukraine is a really nice piece of farm land between Poland that Russia.

First of all you are OFF TOPIC!! This is the wrong thread!! Second of all, why don't you also say the Poland and the Russia? Rosco and others have attempted to correct you. It is NOT the Ukraine. It is ONLY Ukraine!!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 07:19:49 AM

Quote from: Manny on April 27, 2016, 02:21:58 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 27, 2016, 12:05:29 AM
Victory Nuland

Now there's a Freudian slip.

:offtopic: Could someone PLEASE split the talk of Ukraine off and OUT of this thread?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 07:27:37 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 27, 2016, 05:59:35 AM

Here's the truth:
Right now Trump may, or may not, get the required number of delegates at the convention - we don't know yet.
But, we do know that the Republican party is showing that it is not worth a vote UNLESS that vote is for Trump. If he is not the nominated candidate in the General Election the Republican party is going to be very, very broken (not that it isn't in a bad way right now.)

As I wrote up thread Trump will get the required delegates before the convention. No need for a messy contested convention. It is all over, Trump is the presumptive nominee.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 07:32:05 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 27, 2016, 06:56:12 AM

LOL Shakes must be in denial and DETOX this AM.

Trump LANDSLIDE victory percentages - 83% of voters DO NOT want the Establishment:

60% afraid of el slicko Ted GOPe Cuck Cruz as El Presidente er ah um his Majestic Canadian Prime Minister?

Trump Wins by:

CT 57.7%

DE 60.8%

PA 56.7%

RI 63.8%

MD 54.4%

Reality now is that a Trump ceiling NEVER existed and would be higher if two loser candidates would just drop out.

Hermann Cain reported this morning that the so-called GOP Establishment is DELUSIONAL thinking that some how the can create enough chaos and defulgalities against Trump at the convention to steal the Nomination. Cain said it is now UNPATRIOTIC not to get behind Trump the only person with a hope of beating the hell out of Shrillery in the General Election.

Time to focus and Make America Great Again!

I estimate he will win Indiana by about 60% and California by over 50%. What some forget (Shakespear) is that he is putting up these outstanding numbers with two other guys still in the race.

The attempts by various "elite" factions of the Republican party to defeat Trump should end soon as they are FUTILE.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 27, 2016, 08:06:11 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 23, 2016, 12:09:37 AM

Some in this thread are absolutely certain that the polling results are indicative of what will happen so many months in the future.

Perhaps this poll, which allows you to compare polls made versus the ACTUAL result, would prove instructive:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_republican_presidential_primary-4222.html

Note the huge spread, and wide variation between polls, for Trump - RCP average of poll gave him 53.1% , he actually received 60.4% .

Even the 14000 person likely voters poll was way off. Someone was quoting margins of error correlated with sample sizes, earlier? :ROFL:

... so you cite a poll that correctly predicted the winner. (That was very clever!)

The outcome of any given poll can be influenced by the framing of the poll questions, by the time of day that the calls are made, by calling cell phones versus land lines and by geographic location. Even in your link, you should be able to pick out the obvious fliers.

Incidentally, polls are about spread, not absolute percentages. You disingenuously chose to quote the latter because it better supported your weak argument. You are right about one thing though: today's polls are not indicative of how public opinion will change after the class action lawsuit against Trump University is heard in August.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 27, 2016, 08:12:31 AM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-27%20at%206.07.05%20PM_zpsl96ygguj.png)

More than half of American voters believe that the system U.S. political parties use to pick their candidates for the White House is "rigged" and more than two-thirds want to see the process changed, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll.

The results echo complaints from Republican front-runner Donald Trump and Democratic challenger Bernie Sanders that the system is stacked against them in favor of candidates with close ties to their parties – a critique that has triggered a nationwide debate over whether the process is fair.

The United States is one of just a handful of countries that gives regular voters any say in who should make it onto the presidential ballot. But the state-by-state system of primaries, caucuses and conventions is complex. The contests historically were always party events, and while the popular vote has grown in influence since the mid-20th century, the parties still have considerable sway.

One quirk of the U.S. system - and the area where the parties get to flex their muscle - is the use of delegates, party members who are assigned to support contenders at their respective conventions, usually based on voting results. The parties decide how delegates are awarded in each state, with the Republicans and Democrats having different rules.

More:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-primaries-poll-idUSKCN0XO0ZR

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 27, 2016, 08:52:02 AM

In 2008, early polling predicted a tight race in Virginia, at least until McCain selecting a running mate. It's fair to say that this particular series of polls did not accurately predict how poor that McCain's judgment would be. Be that as it may, Obama outperformed the polls yet again for a 6.3% spread.

The polling in 2012 was another matter. Except for a blip in September that probably gave Romney false hopes, Obama consistently led since April. In this case, the early polling was a more accurate prediction of the outcome than the late polling... but Obama's trend of outperforming the polls continued.

For election 2016, Clinton has polled higher than Obama ever did. Those who argue that there isn't an abundance of data will probably conveniently overlook the massive 13 point spread (higher than Obama ever achieved in this state) and the complete absence of a winning poll for Trump. Nonetheless, I have adjusted the electoral map anyway.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 27, 2016, 08:53:04 AM

Looks Like WaPo wakes up and smells the Morning Joe:

Trump’s sweep is another humiliating defeat for media and political elites

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/04/26/trumps-sweep-is-another-humiliating-defeat-for-media-and-political-elites/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 27, 2016, 08:54:28 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 27, 2016, 06:56:12 AM

Trump Wins by:

CT 57.7%

DE 60.8%

PA 56.7%

RI 63.8%

MD 54.4%

And just how many of those states can the Republicans even remotely think they have a chance of winning in November?

Z E R O

Trump will not have 1237 on the first ballot. Even his campaign is saying so.

Trump cannot beat Clinton. His negatives are too high to overcome.

A vote for trump is a vote for Hillary Clinton.

If people are so stupid as to not recognize this fact, then we as a country deserve the consequences.

In 2008 we put a totally unqualified man in the White House for populous reasons - we all know what a disaster that turned out to be.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 27, 2016, 08:58:29 AM

Oh, dear! Trump will have to win Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, Ohio, North Carolina and Florida to make America great again. I fear that America will not be great again anytime soon.

The discussion about Trump's "landslide" primary victories is analogous to a patient lusting over the smoking-hot (FSU) nurse who is assisting the surgeon in the removal of his cancerous testicles.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 27, 2016, 09:08:57 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 27, 2016, 08:52:02 AM

In 2008, early polling predicted a tight race in Virginia, at least until McCain selecting a running mate. (I think that some of RUA's bachelors are still lusting after her.) It's fair to say that this particular series of polls did not accurately predict how poor that McCain's judgment would be. Be that as it may, Obama outperformed the polls yet again for a 6.3% spread.

The polling in 2012 was another matter. Except for a blip in September that probably gave Romney false hopes, Obama consistently led since April. In this case, the early polling was a more accurate prediction of the outcome than the late polling... but Obama's trend of outperforming the polls continued.

For election 2016, Clinton has polled higher than Obama ever did. Those who argue that there isn't an abundance of data will probably conveniently overlook the massive 13 point spread (higher than Obama ever achieved in this state) and the absence of a winning poll for Trump. Nonetheless, I have adjusted the electoral map anyway.

Hillary is polling well among SJWs, Liberals, Marxist Globalists, radical Feminists and Muslims, White Knights and Post menopausal boomer women because Bernie never took off the gloves to properly highlight her harassment of the women that Bill raped, groped, banged and sexually harangued while Ark Gobenor and POTUS Philanderer in Chief.

Bernie also refused to make an issue of Hillary's criminal activities regarding highly secured email mismanagement (a felony) and multiple instances of Federal conflict of interest - all felonies - regarding her many influence crimes and the Clinton Global Initiative foundation including backing commercial deals for less than savory characters.

This proved that Bernie was really on one last ego driven Victory Lap to resurrect his Vietnam Era Marxist Socialist social justice warrior delusions and to score a massive amount of donations the surplus of which he is allowed to keep after the campaign is over for an future campaigns or his eventual retirement.

Mr. Trump will not be so deferential to Madame Billery and their extensive boudoir and criminal escapades.

All the T2 Charts that are a blast from the past are NOT an indication of future performance as any investor or voter truly knows.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 27, 2016, 09:09:39 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 07:16:07 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 26, 2016, 09:23:28 PM
Quote from: andrewfi on April 25, 2016, 05:00:13 AM
Yeah, but you ain't the boss and the boss is on the same side as Obama.

When it comes to trade deals, it isn't hard. At the least matters continue as they are already.
But as I already wrote, this is not about trade. This is about influence and access. We are the US colony with a big boot inside the EU. The US influence decreases without the access that we provide. This may be a psychological rather than real thing, but the effect is there, all the same.

The Ukraine was never important to the US. Influence and access to what? I personally wish the Ukraine was important to the US, it just is not. As soon as there was a problem Obama dropped it like a rock. In the US the vice president is really an un employed person. So not to let it look like the Ukraine has been dropped Obama turned it over to Biden who has no power in the US. A week or two ago, Poroshenko came to the US for a meeting where there were going to be several head of states. He thought that he was going to get time with Obama. Obama cancelled Poroshenko time and had Biden talk to him. After much begging Obama did talk to him for less than five minutes. This is where the Ukraine rates on Obama list of important. I do not see this changing soon.

The Ukraine is only important to Russia because not of what it can give Russia but what it could of cost Russia. Since Russia has destroyed it, the Ukraine no long can be much of a cost to Russia. The Ukraine does not have anything to give to the USA and the cost to save it is high. Trump has said he is going to abandon the Ukraine. I do not see Hillary doing much better. This is why I am so negative on the future of the Ukraine by 2018. Basically the Ukraine is a really nice piece of farm land between Poland that Russia.

First of all you are OFF TOPIC!! This is the wrong thread!! Second of all, why don't you also say the Poland and the Russia? Rosco and others have attempted to correct you. It is NOT the Ukraine. It is ONLY Ukraine!!!

Yes post the Texan comments elsewhere.

If we started to refer to the State of Texas as The Texas what would be your reaction? I see it as a slight.

As a way of background if I am not mistaken the Ukraine Rada early on voted to remove the The from the countries name. The translation of Ukraine is Borderlands and from that there was a time that it was called The Ukraine, but internationally this is now incorrect.

Please this can not be that much of a challenge.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 27, 2016, 09:17:18 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 27, 2016, 08:54:28 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 27, 2016, 06:56:12 AM

Trump Wins by:

CT 57.7%

DE 60.8%

PA 56.7%

RI 63.8%

MD 54.4%

And just how many of those states can the Republicans even remotely think they have a chance of winning in November?

Z E R O

Trump will not have 1237 on the first ballot. Even his campaign is saying so.

Trump cannot beat Clinton. His negatives are too high to overcome.

A vote for trump is a vote for Hillary Clinton.

If people are so stupid as to not recognize this fact, then we as a country deserve the consequences.

In 2008 we put a totally unqualified man in the White House for populous reasons - we all know what a disaster that turned out to be.

So says the prognosticator that GUARANTEED a Romney victory per the polls in 2012... I voted 100% GOP in 2012 General Elections only to see an Obama landslide.

Trump has been careful to reach out to all the constituencies that Romney alienated... juxtaposed against Hitlery who only has support from 65+ Women while Bernie owns the hearts of most women 18 to 45+ - will not be too hard for a successful Uber Alpha Male to romance these easily influenced flighty females to vote to Make America Great Again, greater than it has ever been!

If you read Coulter's book Adios America how the left is turning the USA into a third world hell hole - extensively researched and annotated - Trump does not need any minorities to win however the Minority and Female voter turnout in secret ballot general elections will be surprisingly Pro America...

Get over it and Get used to it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 27, 2016, 10:33:53 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 27, 2016, 08:06:11 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 23, 2016, 12:09:37 AM
Some in this thread are absolutely certain that the polling results are indicative of what will happen so many months in the future.

Perhaps this poll, which allows you to compare polls made versus the ACTUAL result, would prove instructive:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_republican_presidential_primary-4222.html

Note the huge spread, and wide variation between polls, for Trump - RCP average of poll gave him 53.1% , he actually received 60.4% .

Even the 14000 person likely voters poll was way off. Someone was quoting margins of error correlated with sample sizes, earlier? :ROFL:

Incidentally, polls are about spread, not absolute percentages. You disingenuously chose to quote the latter because it better supported your weak argument. You are right about one thing though: today's polls are not indicative of how public opinion will change after the class action lawsuit against Trump University is heard in August.

"spread" and "percentages" in this case, are the same thing. The spread was way off, because the percentages were way off.

Thanks for agreeing with me, I guess. You could have saved yourself some typing by writing "you are correct".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 27, 2016, 10:38:39 AM

Quote from: Slumba on April 27, 2016, 10:33:53 AM

"spread" and "percentages" in this case, are the same thing. The spread was way off, because the percentages were way off.

Thanks for agreeing with me, I guess. You could have saved yourself some typing by writing "you are correct".

60.4% - 53.1% = 7.3% but 35.3% - 30.3% = 5.0% (The figures are from your link.)

7.3% is not the same thing as 5.0%, except in Slumba math.

The attachment shows how shit pollsters (Gravis, Florida Times, Mason-Dixon and We Ask America) worked hard in an attempt to influence election 2012 by inflating Romney's numbers. Few remember this because most people have the attention span of fruit flies. Needless to say, dishonest polling can only be partially offset by increasing the sample size. When four out of six are dishonest, RCP gets it wrong.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 27, 2016, 10:41:40 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 27, 2016, 09:08:57 AM

All the T2 Charts that are a blast from the past are NOT an indication of future performance as any investor or voter truly knows.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to eight more years of a Democrat in the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 27, 2016, 12:40:57 PM

Tom, you are at it now!
Those waves are lapping at your feet!

Given what you see right now, which Republican candidate has the best chance of accruing enough votes in a general election?

Hmm?

The ones who have already given up on the primaries and democratic process and who did so because not enough people want them as president?
Or the bloke who is getting the most votes out there?
Or maybe the invisible man, who is so popular that everyone will vote for him - except nobody has seen him, or knows who it might be?
Which one?

There's two separate issues here.
First is Trump the clear leader among the electorate or not?
Answer is clear, he is.

Second can he beat Clinton?
Who knows? But for sure none of the candidates other than Trump have a better chance of that and there's no great white hope standing on the sidelines with huge amounts of (invisible) support.

The electorate are not voting for somebody they do not know, they are making their choice for candidate for the general election. There's nobody else!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 27, 2016, 01:01:47 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 27, 2016, 12:40:57 PM

But for sure none of the candidates other than Trump have a better chance of that and there's no great white hope standing on the sidelines with huge amounts of (invisible) support.

{sigh} Just like you were WRONG when you swore to the veracity of the rumor of Cruz having 5 mistresses, you are wrong once again.

20+ consecutive polls have shown John Kasich beating Hillary Clinton (more than half outside of the margin of error) in the General Election. An occasional poll will place Ted Cruz above Hillary. However NONE of the last 20+ polls have had Trump ahead of Clinton, not even within the margin of error.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_kasich_vs_clinton-5162.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_clinton-4034.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 27, 2016, 03:13:56 PM

Brilliant move by Cruz picking Fiorina as his running mate.

Strong conservative.

Solidifies the woman vote against a glaring Trump weakness.

Increases the chance that Trump will say something stupid about her, costing Trump votes.

GREATLY helps him in the California race.

Smart political move.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on April 27, 2016, 03:31:21 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 27, 2016, 03:13:56 PM

Brilliant move by Cruz picking Fiorina as his running mate.

Strong conservative.

Solidifies the woman vote against a glaring Trump weakness.

Increases the chance that Trump will say something stupid about her, costing Trump votes.

GREATLY helps him in the California race.

Smart political move.

Not going to help in in California enough to flip it, she doesn't help with the Senate, or deliver a swing state. Kasich or Rubio would have been better choices. I assume they weren't available because Kasich is still running and Rubio previously turned him down.

Fiorina's qualifications are getting fired from HP and running, unsuccessfully, for Senator and President. Oh, and having a vagina, which doesn't help Cruz with women if the presumptive nominee is H-Rod.

Picking a woman because she's a woman always smacks of desperation, and fails when it's been tried (Mondale, McCain).

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 27, 2016, 04:09:28 PM

Doesn't matter who Cruz picked for his running mate, Trump will be the nominee.

Why Donald Trump Is Probably Two States From Victory

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/27/upshot/why-donald-trump-is-probably-two-states-from-victory.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 27, 2016, 04:17:05 PM

Scott Adams is the well-known author of the Dilbert comic strip, has written other books, and has been studying how to persuade people, among other things.

He writes about Trump, Trump's ability to handle HRC, etc. in this recent blog post:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/143479429146/and-then-there-were-two

I think that his points are very correct.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 04:36:23 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 27, 2016, 04:17:05 PM

Scott Adams is the well-known author of the Dilbert comic strip, has written other books, and has been studying how to persuade people, among other things.

He writes about Trump, Trump's ability to handle HRC, etc. in this recent blog post:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/143479429146/and-then-there-were-two

I think that his points are very correct.

Number 4 is excellent but the kill shot is even better. TomT and Shakespear are both going down in flames! :smokin:

Quote:

10. Trump rolled out the “woman card” attack on Clinton. Expect lots of backlash and hollering about sexism. Also expect that 100% of the voting public knows that the “woman card” accusation is a persuasion death blow to Clinton’s campaign. And Trump is the only candidate alive who would dare say it out loud.

Trump’s “woman card” strategy is weapons-grade persuasion. It is a “high ground” maneuver with an “identity” angle. Either one of those approaches can be a kill shot. But together?

Holy sh*t.

I’ve not seen anything like it. The engineering is superb.

Trump will probably win with men for all the obvious reasons. But winning with women has until lately seemed impossible. So the “woman card” kill shot is aimed at women voters, not men. And what it does is flip the framing, as Trump likes to do.

Clinton framing: It is time for a woman president.

Trump framing: Gender is not a job qualification

I remind you that this is the year 2016. Trump’s message recognizes that gender should not be a hiring criteria. That’s the high ground. You can’t get higher.

And it gives women an identity choice. Do they pick the leader who says the “woman card” is a qualification for a good job? Or do they pick the leader who has a long record of promoting and mentoring women because he thinks gender should not be a qualification?

Landslide.

—

If you think the election will be interesting this year, you should read my book because it has nothing to do with the first part of this sentence.

end quote

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 27, 2016, 05:06:45 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 27, 2016, 12:40:57 PM

Given what you see right now, which Republican candidate has the best chance of accruing enough votes in a general election?

Kasich can beat Clinton but the Republicans don't remember yesterday, much less the last two elections... and they can't spell his name correctly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 27, 2016, 05:11:47 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 27, 2016, 04:17:05 PM

Scott Adams is the well-known author of the Dilbert comic strip, has written other books, and has been studying how to persuade people, among other things.

He writes about Trump, Trump's ability to handle HRC, etc. in this recent blog post:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/143479429146/and-then-there-were-two

I think that his points are very correct.

Just as I always suspected: you are a cartoon and you live in cartoon land.

Speaking of cartoons, here is a transcript of Trump's amazing foreign-policy speech:

http://time.com/4309786/read-donald-trumps-america-first-foreign-policy-speech/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 27, 2016, 06:09:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 27, 2016, 01:01:47 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Your link reminded me of a few points that I wanted to make to Slumba.

1) The George Washington University poll is an obvious flier but he probably thinks that the other five are the fliers.

2) The margin of error for a total sample size of 6185 is 1.25%.

3) Statistics don't care about our preconceived notions.

4) If a substantial amount of the data has been corrupted (see reply # 2686), then all bets are off.

5) Polls are subject to change; there is no way to know how many people will become stupid before November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steamer on April 27, 2016, 07:26:11 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 27, 2016, 06:09:41 PM

Polls are subject to change; there is no way to know how many people will become stupid before November.

...or smart.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 27, 2016, 07:33:23 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 27, 2016, 05:11:47 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 27, 2016, 04:17:05 PM
Scott Adams is the well-known author of the Dilbert comic strip, has written other books, and has been studying how to persuade people, among other things.

He writes about Trump, Trump's ability to handle HRC, etc. in this recent blog post:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/143479429146/and-then-there-were-two

I think that his points are very correct.

Just as I always suspected: you are a cartoon and you live in cartoon land.

Speaking of cartoons, here is a transcript of Trump's amazing foreign-policy speech:

http://time.com/4309786/read-donald-trumps-america-first-foreign-policy-speech/

I won't hound you, but I am really going to enjoy your all-but-sobbing reactions between now and November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 27, 2016, 07:34:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 27, 2016, 03:13:56 PM

Brilliant move by Cruz picking Fiorina as his running mate.

Strong conservative.

Solidifies the woman vote against a glaring Trump weakness.

Increases the chance that Trump will say something stupid about her, costing Trump votes.

GREATLY helps him in the California race.

Smart political move.

Irrelevant Canadian Cuban Cruz Campaign requires DELUSIONAL tactics to gain media coverage after multiple severe landslide LOSSES - only thing happens here is that when you tie two rocks together to anchor a campaign it just sinks twice as fast.

Shakes you need to double up two heavy duty one gallon zip loc bags and breathe into them repeatedly for about 5 minutes to cut down on your out of control hyperventilation attacks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 27, 2016, 07:39:13 PM

CNN DELEGATES COUNTS:

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/parties/republican

Trump 991

Crudz 568

Kasuck 154

Lubio 173 (He dropped out and has more Delegates than Kasuck)

Carson 9

Bush 4 WTF He spent $140 Million USD Epic Deep State Elites GOPe FAIL.

Fiorina 1

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 07:41:27 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 27, 2016, 05:06:45 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 27, 2016, 12:40:57 PM
Given what you see right now, which Republican candidate has the best chance of accruing enough votes in a general election?

Kasich can beat Clinton but the Republicans don't remember yesterday, much less the last two elections... and they can't spell his name correctly.

Speaking of cartoons, what a sad little cartoon you've become. The convention is not over yet and still you remain convinced that what happened in the past has relevance in 2016, prior to the convention.

I've already mentioned that Reagan was way down in the polls and not expected to beat Carter. I've mentioned that Bush Sr. was down and not expected to beat Dukakis.

And yet those two victors beat candidates who were vastly superior to the very damaged Hillary Benghazi Clinton.

Apparently it seems that in your fantasy world the fact that these polls are meaningless until September, October and November is meaningless to you.

You're not dealing with a low-energy, boring and predictable candidate like Mitt Romney. You're dealing with a very unpredictable, high-energy very successful Billionaire who has created more jobs than the Clintons could ever dream of.

Speaking of Obama he not only won the black vote handily, he also did very well with whites, who in their naivety and "do goodedness" wanted to elect the first black President.

Eight years later the country is in no mood to elect somebody just because of their color or because they've a VJ.

The country is in a very foul mood and they want somebody who speaks bluntly, loudly and carries a big stick! :GRRRR:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 07:59:27 PM

Quote from: B.B. on April 27, 2016, 03:31:21 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 27, 2016, 03:13:56 PM
Brilliant move by Cruz picking Fiorina as his running mate.

Strong conservative.

Solidifies the woman vote against a glaring Trump weakness.

Increases the chance that Trump will say something stupid about her, costing Trump votes.

GREATLY helps him in the California race.

Smart political move.

Not going to help in in California enough to flip it, she doesn't help with the Senate, or deliver a swing state. Kasich or Rubio would have been better choices. I assume they weren't available because Kasich is still running and Rubio previously turned him down.

Fiorina's qualifications are getting fired from HP and running, unsuccessfully, for Senator and President. Oh, and having a vagina, which doesn't help Cruz with women if the presumptive nominee is H-Rod.

Picking a woman because she's a woman always smacks of desperation, and fails when it's been tried (Mondale, McCain).

B/B

While I agree with most of what you wrote here, I find Carly Fiorina even with her lack of political office, to be a far superior human being and potential President to HC.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 08:05:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 27, 2016, 01:01:47 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 27, 2016, 12:40:57 PM
But for sure none of the candidates other than Trump have a better chance of that and there's no great white hope standing on the sidelines with huge amounts of (invisible) support.

{sigh} Just like you were WRONG when you swore to the veracity of the rumor of Cruz having 5 mistresses, you are wrong once again.

20+ consecutive polls have shown John Kasich beating Hillary Clinton (more than half outside of the margin of error) in the General Election. An occasional poll will place Ted Cruz above Hillary. However NONE of the last 20+ polls have had Trump ahead of Clinton, not even within the margin of error.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_kasich_vs_clinton-5162.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_clinton-4034.html

These stupid, absurd and ridiculous polls show that Kasich could beat Clinton because nobody really knows much about him nor do they seem to care.

Really man, how could you possibly think a guy who has won 1 out of 46 could even remotely compete against Clinton in the general election??? :dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 27, 2016, 09:07:08 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 27, 2016, 07:33:23 PM

I won't hound you, but I am really going to enjoy your all-but-sobbing reactions between now and November.

If it comes to pass that the voters elect the president that they deserve, I'll get over it, the ignorant masses will suffer the most (as they always have) and I'll develop strategies to exploit the new status quo.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 27, 2016, 09:07:55 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 08:05:12 PM

These stupid, absurd and ridiculous polls show that Kasich could beat Clinton because nobody really knows much about him nor do they seem to care.

Really man, how could you possibly think a guy who has won 1 out of 46 could even remotely compete against Clinton in the general election??? :dh:

Because given the choice between the two, they prefer Kasich.

Hillary Clinton is the second most unpopular Presidential candidate in the USA. Many Republicans would poll higher than her. Regrettably Donald Trump is the first most unpopular.

When Trump loses to Clinton by 10+ points, you're going to be stupidly scratching your head wondering why?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 09:22:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 27, 2016, 09:07:55 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 08:05:12 PM
These stupid, absurd and ridiculous polls show that Kasich could beat Clinton because nobody really knows much about him nor do they seem to care.

Really man, how could you possibly think a guy who has won 1 out of 46 could even remotely compete against Clinton in the general election??? :dh:

Because given the choice between the two, they prefer Kasich.

Hillary Clinton is the second most unpopular Presidential candidate in the USA. Many Republicans would poll higher than her. Regrettably Donald Trump is the first most unpopular.

When Trump loses to Clinton by 10+ points, you're going to be stupidly scratching your head wondering why?

If you and your type had wanted to derail Trump you would have needed to do it within a month, maybe two at the max of him declaring himself to be a candidate.

The delusional fantasy of "never Trump" at this stage of the game is absolutely absurd and I think deep down you know it.

It's not a time to think of possible negative outcomes and recriminations, it's a time to unite the party and VOTE like the red-blooded patriotic man who you claim to be.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 27, 2016, 09:26:08 PM

Bernie Sanders laying off 100's of staff...

Canadian Cuck Cubano Cruz hooks up with a daft failed funky female Tech CEO to sink his irrelevant campaign...

Kasich cucks with $500K bucks from George Soros to limp along into the convention with a weasel strategy.

While team Trump marches on with MAJOR massive mounting momentum to a certain 1237 delegates before the convention - and perhaps more importantly very powerful members of Congress and the US Senate (Gingrich, Sessions et.al.) recognizing that momentum and with enough powerful leverage to light a fire under the justice department and demand progress with the Hitlery Clinton CGI Crime Cartel prosecution for multiple Federal Felonies... Will be interesting to see Hitlery and Billary in matching Bonnie and Clyde mug shots and orange club fed jumpsuits like Orange is the new Black.

Hitlery has as much chance of being elected POTUS as I do being awarded a Nobel Peace Prize for nuking Mecca and Medina in the fight against ISIS and Radicalized Islamic Terrorism.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 09:30:19 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 27, 2016, 09:07:08 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 27, 2016, 07:33:23 PM
I won't hound you, but I am really going to enjoy your all-but-sobbing reactions between now and November.

If it comes to pass that the voters elect the president that they deserve, I'll get over it, the ignorant masses will suffer the most (as they always have) and I'll develop strategies to exploit the new status quo.

Obama exploited the gullibility of the "ignorant masses" exceptionally well. Hillary is counting on it and the fact that many illiterate Mexicans as well as convicted illiterate felons in Virginia will be voting for her is something she is counting on. As well as a few OCD weirdo's like you. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 27, 2016, 11:26:53 PM

I have been looking at these polls listed below regarding the general election and what I cannot figure out is that while evenly divided into male, female and party affiliation, I see the Black and Hispanics are mostly single digit representative.

Maybe it would not matter, I don't know but seems biased and strange to me.

But whether Trump can win or will lose to Hillary is moot at the moment. It could still be possible that Bernie will be the anointed one. Could be he will run a third party race. He is also not yet finished digging into Hillary. Then email-gate and Trump university and whatever each side will drag into the race plus how well each side fights the good fight.

My only real gripe is how people can say not to vote your conscience because polls or even a real majority say you cannot win. Just give up because you cannot win. Vote for someone you do not like as much as the other party because you cannot win. Vote for another decade of the past because you cannot win.

I would rather see Hillary get her dream than have 4 more years of the same to blame on a Republican. She would accomplish nothing or make things worse so that next election a Trump can win.

I suppose I am not surprised that the Rep party is pushing this defeatist attitude but it is so not American.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 11:30:10 PM

Quote from: bagalia on April 27, 2016, 11:26:53 PM

I have been looking at these polls listed below regarding the general election and what I cannot figure out is that while evenly divided into male, female and party affiliation, I see the Black and Hispanics are mostly single digit representative.

Maybe it would not matter, I don't know but seems biased and strange to me.

But whether Trump can win or will lose to Hillary is moot at the moment. It could still be possible that Bernie will be the anointed one. Could be he will run a third party race. He is also not yet finished digging into Hillary. Then email-gate and Trump university and whatever each side will drag into the race plus how well each side fights the good fight.

My only real gripe is how people can say not to vote your conscience because polls or even a real majority say you cannot win. Just give up because you cannot win. Vote for someone you do not like as much as the other party because you cannot win. Vote for another decade of the past because you cannot win.

I would rather see Hillary get her dream than have 4 more years of the same to blame on a Republican. She would accomplish nothing or make things worse so that next election a Trump can win.

I suppose I am not surprised that the Rep party is pushing this defeatist attitude but it is so not American.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on April 28, 2016, 02:58:24 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 27, 2016, 09:07:08 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 27, 2016, 07:33:23 PM
I won't hound you, but I am really going to enjoy your all-but-sobbing reactions between now and November.

If it comes to pass that the voters elect the president that they deserve, I'll get over it, the ignorant masses will suffer the most (as they always have) and I'll develop strategies to exploit the new status quo.

It sounds like you are accepting the very real possibility of a President Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on April 28, 2016, 03:17:25 AM

If I was american and it would become clinton/trump, i'd vote Trump.

Because I think Hillary is a law-breaker and should be punished. Multiple. Times.

- Voting fraud,
- National Security email problems,
- Some more voting fraud.

All proven instances and can be prosecuted but aren't.

Stand-up woman, Hilary.

Mark.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 28, 2016, 07:43:37 AM

Quote from: Markje on April 28, 2016, 03:17:25 AM

If I was american and it would become clinton/trump, i'd vote Trump.

Because I think Hillary is a law-breaker and should be punished. Multiple. Times.

- Voting fraud,
- National Security email problems,
- Some more voting fraud.

All proven instances and can be prosecuted but aren't.

Stand-up woman, Hilary.

Mark.

I am very happy that you and I agree on something 100%!!!

What you likely missed (I would not expect a European to know) is that she bullied and harassed women who in the past had made claims her husband raped them or attempted to. Bill Clinton's bad behavior with women outside of his marriage is well documented.

Anyways she always claims that she is a champion for women, when in fact she abused her power in order to silence women who had been abused by her husband.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 28, 2016, 08:19:41 AM

If Trump can continue exciting the masses there's no doubt he will win hands down against Hillary.

Donald Trump could amass most primary votes in GOP history

Byhttp://nypost.com/2016/04/27/donald-trump-could-amass-most-primary-votes-in-gop-history/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 28, 2016, 09:21:16 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 04:36:23 PM

10. Trump rolled out the “woman card” attack on Clinton. Expect lots of backlash and hollering about sexism. Also expect that 100% of the voting public knows that the “woman card” accusation is a persuasion death blow to Clinton’s campaign. And Trump is the only candidate alive who would dare say it out loud.

Trump’s “woman card” strategy is weapons-grade persuasion. It is a “high ground” maneuver with an “identity” angle. Either one of those approaches can be a kill shot. But together?

Holy sh*t.

I’ve not seen anything like it. The engineering is superb.

Trump will probably win with men for all the obvious reasons. But winning with women has until lately seemed impossible. So the “woman card” kill shot is aimed at women voters, not men. And what it does is flip the framing, as Trump likes to do.

Clinton framing: It is time for a woman president.

Trump framing: Gender is not a job qualification

I remind you that this is the year 2016. Trump’s message recognizes that gender should not be a hiring criteria. That’s the high ground. You can’t get higher.

And it gives women an identity choice. Do they pick the leader who says the “woman card” is a qualification for a good job? Or do they pick the leader who has a long record of promoting and mentoring women because he thinks gender should not be a qualification?

Landslide.

Are you out of your mind?

A man telling women that gender isn't important when making their voting choice is exactly like the kind of misogynistic comments Trump has made in the past which has made him hated by 73% of women in the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 28, 2016, 09:57:00 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 28, 2016, 09:21:16 AM

Are you out of your mind?

A man telling women that gender isn't important when making their voting choice is exactly like the kind of misogynistic comments Trump has made in the past which has made him hated by 73% of women in the USA.

For one thing, Trump hasn't said the part you bolded (at least yet).

Second, given your inability to understand what the actual sitrep is, as demonstrated earlier in this thread multiple times, why would anyone believe your analysis?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 28, 2016, 10:17:29 AM

http://www.dailywire.com/news/3896/shapiro-i-will-never-vote-donald-trump-heres-why-ben-shapiro

+1

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 28, 2016, 10:21:53 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on April 28, 2016, 02:58:24 AM

It sounds like you are accepting the very real possibility of a President Trump.

I won't hang myself if Trump is elected but it would still be a disaster if the country was taken over by the stupid and the ignorant.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 28, 2016, 10:24:37 AM

First Read: Cruz and Allies Have Five Days to Stop Trump

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/first-read-cruz-allies-have-five-days-stop-trump-n564056

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on April 28, 2016, 10:32:11 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 10:21:53 AM

[
It would still be a disaster if the country was taken over by the stupid and the ignorant.

It already has. They call themselves democrates and republicans.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 28, 2016, 10:33:13 AM

The esteemed intellects that have been in power sure haven't done anything to brag about.
Maybe when the circus comes to town good Times will be here again.
I can't see a trump presidency being any worse than what we had the last 16 years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 28, 2016, 11:15:46 AM

John Boehner likened Ted Cruz to the devil on Wednesday. (Photo: Yuri Gripas/Reuters/File)

Former House Speaker John Boehner offered a rather blunt assessment of Texas Sen. Ted Cruz on Wednesday night.

“Lucifer in the flesh,” Boehner said during a talk hosted by Stanford University in Palo Alto, Calif., according to the Stanford Daily. “I have Democrat friends and Republican friends. I get along with almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life.”

The Ohio Republican, who retired from Congress last fall, said he would vote for whomever the party nominates for president — unless it’s Cruz.

Boehner described the other two GOP hopefuls, Donald Trump and John Kasich, as his “friends.”

Boehner said he has played golf with Trump for years and that they were “texting buddies.” His relationship with the Ohio governor, however, “requires more effort on my behalf than all my other friends … but he’s still my friend, and I love him.”

Cruz, who introduced Carly Fiorina as his running mate on Wednesday, responded to Boehner’s barb on Twitter Thursday morning.

“Tell me again who will stand up to Washington?” the Texas senator tweeted. “Trump, who’s Boehner’s ‘texting and golfing buddy,’ or Carly & me?”

On the Democratic side, Boehner called Bernie Sanders “a nice guy” and “the most honest politician” in the race despite disagreeing with the Vermont senator on virtually every issue.

But Boehner drew boos from the audience for suggesting Hillary Clinton is pandering to female voters.

“‘Oh, I’m a woman, vote for me,’” he reportedly said.

And while Boehner believes Clinton will ultimately win the Democratic nomination, there could be more twists in store.

“Don’t be shocked … if two weeks before the convention, here comes Joe Biden parachuting in and Barack Obama fanning the flames to make it all happen,” he said.

While waiting at San Francisco International Airport for his flight back to Washington, D.C., Boehner didn’t back away from the comments and seemed surprised that they caused such a stir.

“It’s not like I haven’t said the same thing in a bunch of speeches this year,” the former House speaker told Yahoo News.

During an appearance at a financial conference in Florida last month, Boehner, who had previously labeled Cruz a “jackass,” referred to the Texas senator as “Lucifer.”

At the same event, Boehner endorsed his successor, House Speaker Paul Ryan, for president.

“If we don’t have a nominee who can win on the first ballot, I’m for none of the above,” Boehner said, according to Politico. “They all had a chance to win. None of them won. So I’m for none of the above. I’m for Paul Ryan to be our nominee.”

But Boehner told Yahoo News he thinks Trump will win the nomination, barring a major self-inflicted error.

(Boehner thinks you are going to lose your bet with Anteros, Shakespear. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on April 28, 2016, 11:49:33 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 10:21:53 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on April 28, 2016, 02:58:24 AM
It sounds like you are accepting the very real possibility of a President Trump.

I won't hang myself if Trump is elected but it would still be a disaster if the country was taken over by the stupid and the ignorant.

That's Democrats for you. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 28, 2016, 12:10:10 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 10:21:53 AM

I won't hang myself if Trump is elected but it would still be a disaster if the country was taken over by the stupid and the ignorant.

I think it is a little too late for that my friend.

That ship has sailed and disappeared far, far over the horizon.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 28, 2016, 12:15:58 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 28, 2016, 12:10:10 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 10:21:53 AM
I won't hang myself if Trump is elected but it would still be a disaster if the country was taken over by the stupid and the ignorant.

I think it is a little too late for that my friend.

That ship has sailed and disappeared far, far over the horizon.

:laugh: Sad but true. Perhaps the earth is indeed flat.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 28, 2016, 01:18:37 PM

Quote from: yankee on April 28, 2016, 10:32:11 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 10:21:53 AM
[
It would still be a disaster if the country was taken over by the stupid and the ignorant.

It already has. They call themselves democrates and republicans.

:ROFL:

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 28, 2016, 01:20:58 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on April 28, 2016, 11:49:33 AM

Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 10:21:53 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on April 28, 2016, 02:58:24 AM
It sounds like you are accepting the very real possibility of a President Trump.

I won't hang myself if Trump is elected but it would still be a disaster if the country was taken over by the stupid and the ignorant.
That's Democrats for you. :)

Perhaps you meant to write: "That's democracy for you." If so, then you are correct. The founding fathers tried to keep voting out of the hands of idiots but they failed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 28, 2016, 01:38:22 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 01:20:58 PM

Perhaps you meant to write: "That's democracy for you." If so, then you are correct. The founding fathers tried to keep voting out of the hands of idiots but they failed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on April 28, 2016, 01:57:32 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 01:20:58 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on April 28, 2016, 11:49:33 AM
Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 10:21:53 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on April 28, 2016, 02:58:24 AM
It sounds like you are accepting the very real possibility of a President Trump.

I won't hang myself if Trump is elected but it would still be a disaster if the country was taken over by the stupid and the ignorant.
That's Democrats for you. :)

Perhaps you meant to write: "That's democracy for you." If so, then you are correct. The founding fathers tried to keep voting out of the hands of idiots but they failed.

No, I meant what I wrote in that stupidity and ignorance is not exclusive to any political affiliation.
As for democracy, well, this nomination race has really highlighted how undemocratic it is and that the American people don't really have a true voice in electing a President. All the more remarkable that Trump is where he is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 28, 2016, 04:59:42 PM

Some seem to think those that support Trump are idiots, does that include Putin, and the Russians?

Donald Trump's foreign policy speech earns praise in Russia

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/28/politics/donald-trump-russia-putin/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 28, 2016, 05:12:08 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 01:20:58 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on April 28, 2016, 11:49:33 AM
Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 10:21:53 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on April 28, 2016, 02:58:24 AM
It sounds like you are accepting the very real possibility of a President Trump.

I won't hang myself if Trump is elected but it would still be a disaster if the country was taken over by the stupid and the ignorant.
That's Democrats for you. :)

Perhaps you meant to write: "That's democracy for you." If so, then you are correct. The founding fathers tried to keep voting out of the hands of idiots but they failed.

Anyone TomT disagrees with = "idiot". It has never yet occurred to him that someone else might be aware of things or truths that he is not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 28, 2016, 06:50:14 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 28, 2016, 05:12:08 PM

Anyone TomT disagrees with = "idiot". It has never yet occurred to him that someone else might be aware of things or truths that he is not.

If there is anything that you hate more than having someone disagree with you, it's having someone produce evidence that contradicts your emotional arguments.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 28, 2016, 07:26:42 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/upshot/the-geography-of-trumpism.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 28, 2016, 08:46:42 PM

Quote from the above posted article.

Quote

The analysis shows that Trump counties are places where white identity mixes with long-simmering economic dysfunctions.

The places where Trump has done well cut across many of the usual fault lines of American politics — North and South, liberal and conservative, rural and suburban. One element common to a significant share of his supporters is that they have largely missed the generation-long transition of the United States away from manufacturing and into a diverse, information-driven economy deeply intertwined with the rest of the world.

The economy has worsened for the middle class and poor since the so called "free trade" deals were passed in the Clinton nineties. This has been a theme in much of the writings of Reagan's OMB director, David Stockman. So naturally the poor and lesser educated people are going to be for a man who says he is going to fix this. The other candidates past and present never mention this issue. Illegal immigration is another issue for the poor. The flooding of millions of illegal immigrants have driven down the wages for these people as well. Gardening, roofing, carpet laying has illegals willing to work these for much less money per hour. They can because they will live 35 people to a house taking turns sleeping in the beds. Then there is all the welfare and medical benefits they absorb driving up the costs in taxes and insurance for those that are here legally. Trump also makes this an issue. Nobody else does.

So why shouldn't those who are negatively affected the most be for a man who brings up and addresses these issues?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 28, 2016, 09:23:28 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 28, 2016, 08:46:42 PM

Quote from the above posted article.

Quote
The analysis shows that Trump counties are places where white identity mixes with long-simmering economic dysfunctions.

The places where Trump has done well cut across many of the usual fault lines of American politics — North and South, liberal and conservative, rural and suburban. One element common to a significant share of his supporters is that they have largely missed the generation-long transition of the United States away from manufacturing and into a diverse, information-driven economy deeply intertwined with the rest of the world.

The economy has worsened for the middle class and poor since the so called "free trade" deals were passed in the Clinton nineties. This has been a theme in much of the writings of Reagan's OMB director, David Stockman. So naturally the poor and lesser educated people are going to be for a man who says he is going to fix this. The other candidates past and present never mention this issue. Illegal immigration is another issue for the poor. The flooding of millions of illegal immigrants have driven down the wages for these people as well. Gardening, roofing, carpet laying has illegals willing to work these for much less money per hour. They can because they will live 35 people to a house taking turns sleeping in the beds. Then there is all the welfare and medical benefits they absorb driving up the costs in taxes and insurance for those that are here legally. Trump also makes this an issue. Nobody else does.

So why shouldn't those who are negatively affected the most be for a man who brings up and addresses these issues?

Maxx,

The same could be said about many countries economics, and they all seem to have the same problem where politicians do not hear these voices let alone act on them..

If Trump is elected, and can bring back jobs for these persons, that can only be good for your country..

He should at least get the chance to back up his words.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 28, 2016, 09:38:22 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 28, 2016, 09:23:28 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 28, 2016, 08:46:42 PM
Quote from the above posted article.

Quote
The analysis shows that Trump counties are places where white identity mixes with long-simmering economic dysfunctions.

The places where Trump has done well cut across many of the usual fault lines of American politics — North and South, liberal and conservative, rural and suburban. One element common to a significant share of his supporters is that they have largely missed the generation-long transition of the United States away from manufacturing and into a diverse, information-driven economy deeply intertwined with the rest of the world.

The economy has worsened for the middle class and poor since the so called "free trade" deals were passed in the Clinton nineties. This has been a theme in much of the writings of Reagan's OMB director, David Stockman. So naturally the poor and lesser educated people are going to be for a man who says he is going to fix this. The other candidates past and present never mention this issue. Illegal immigration is another issue for the poor. The flooding of millions of illegal immigrants have driven down the wages for these people as well. Gardening, roofing, carpet laying has illegals willing to work these for much less money per hour. They can because they will live 35 people to a house taking turns sleeping in the beds. Then there is all the welfare and medical benefits they absorb driving up the costs in taxes and insurance for those that are here legally. Trump also makes this an issue. Nobody else does.

So why shouldn't those who are negatively affected the most be for a man who brings up and addresses these issues?

Maxx,

The same could be said about many countries economics, and they all seem to have the same problem where politicians do not hear these voices let alone act on them..

If Trump is elected, and can bring back jobs for these persons, that can only be good for your country..

He should at least get the chance to back up his words.

The politicians are the tools of the elite. The banking systems, the tax systems and the trade system were never meant to better the poor and middle class. In fact it bleeds them of their wealth. I agree Trump should be given a chance. If he can turn America around then that would be a good example to the people of the rest of the world to follow.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 28, 2016, 09:49:20 PM

There’s at least a 97% chance Donald Trump secures the 1,237 delegates he needs to win the nomination outright before the GOP convention, according to the Princeton Election Consortium.
The PEC performed statistical analysis on the current state of the race to determine the importance of the upcoming Indiana primary, and actually found that with his current support, Trump will likely hit over 1284 delegates even if he loses Indiana.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/GOP-2016-Trumpogram-27apr2016-PEC_GC_zpstecpfmuq.jpg)

“Media types want you to get your knickers in a twist about Indiana, however, the data suggests that it doesn’t matter any more,” PEC’s Sam Wang revealed. “Rationally speaking, it is probably time to stop writing so much about the Republican race for delegates.”

“Also, a moratorium on ‘brokered-convention’ articles?”

The analysis was based on current poll data and Google’s correlate-based estimates for recently unpolled states.
“Of those states, Trump is favored in West Virginia (34 delegates) and is near-tied in Oregon and Washington (proportional representation), and the rest are Cruz states,” he continued. “Put through the PEC delegate simulator, the median delegate count [if Trump wins Indiana] is 1333 (interquartile range 1304-1339) [and then] the probability of getting to 1237 delegates is 98%.”
That’s going to make it extremely difficult for the GOP establishment to steal the nomination from Trump at the national convention in July, and it explains why many insider are finally warming up to Trump.
And when Trump was asked about Ted Cruz picking Carly Fiorina as his vice president choice yesterday, he said Cruz was “wasting his time,” and he definitely had a point.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 28, 2016, 09:58:53 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 06:50:14 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 28, 2016, 05:12:08 PM
Anyone TomT disagrees with = "idiot". It has never yet occurred to him that someone else might be aware of things or truths that he is not.

If there is anything that you hate more than having someone disagree with you, it's having someone produce evidence that contradicts your emotional arguments.

You have called Trump an idiot and much worse. Could you produce some evidence that you have accomplished more than Trump? I am really wondering -- if Trump is an idiot and yet he's accomplished far more than you have, what does that make you?? :prophead:

No doubt you'll be voting for "crooked" Hillary. After all in your bizarre world a woman who claims to champion women, even though she had a history of harassing them and doing her best to wreck their lives if they protested at attempts to rape them by Bill, is better than a man who has actually given women high paying jobs at a time where it was a male only world at the top.

IOW for a guy like you, nice sounding fake bullshit means far more than real action. Did I miss anything? I'm sure I did, but that's good enough for now. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 28, 2016, 10:08:11 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 28, 2016, 09:38:22 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 28, 2016, 09:23:28 PM
Quote from: Maxx on April 28, 2016, 08:46:42 PM
Quote from the above posted article.

Quote
The analysis shows that Trump counties are places where white identity mixes with long-simmering economic dysfunctions.

The places where Trump has done well cut across many of the usual fault lines of American politics — North and South, liberal and conservative, rural and suburban. One element common to a significant share of his supporters is that they have largely missed the generation-long transition of the United States away from manufacturing and into a diverse, information-driven economy deeply intertwined with the rest of the world.

The economy has worsened for the middle class and poor since the so called "free trade" deals were passed in the Clinton nineties. This has been a theme in much of the writings of Reagan's OMB director, David Stockman. So naturally the poor and lesser educated people are going to be for a man who says he is going to fix this. The other candidates past and present never mention this issue. Illegal immigration is another issue for the poor. The flooding of millions of illegal immigrants have driven down the wages for these people as well. Gardening, roofing, carpet laying has illegals willing to work these for much less money per hour. They can because they will live 35 people to a house taking turns sleeping in the beds. Then there is all the welfare and medical benefits they absorb driving up the costs in taxes and insurance for those that are here legally. Trump also makes this an issue. Nobody else does.

So why shouldn't those who are negatively affected the most be for a man who brings up and addresses these issues?

Maxx,

The same could be said about many countries economics, and they all seem to have the same problem where politicians do not hear these voices let alone act on them..

If Trump is elected, and can bring back jobs for these persons, that can only be good for your country..

He should at least get the chance to back up his words.

The politicians are the tools of the elite. The banking systems, the tax systems and the trade system were never meant to better the poor and middle class. In fact it bleeds them of their wealth. I agree Trump should be given a chance. If he can turn America around then that would be a good example to the people of the rest of the world to follow.

That would go a long way to changing my personal opinion of the US.

As a world country, the US should lead by example, and NOT by its foreign policies and military might.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on April 28, 2016, 10:18:10 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 28, 2016, 09:58:53 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 06:50:14 PM
Quote from: Slumba on April 28, 2016, 05:12:08 PM
Anyone TomT disagrees with = "idiot". It has never yet occurred to him that someone else might be aware of things or truths that he is not.

If there is anything that you hate more than having someone disagree with you, it's having someone produce evidence that contradicts your emotional arguments.

You have called Trump an idiot and much worse. Could you produce some evidence that you have accomplished more than Trump? I am really wondering -- if Trump is an idiot and yet he's accomplished far more than you have, what does that make you?? :prophead:

No doubt you'll be voting for "crooked" Hillary. After all in your bizarre world a woman who claims to champion women, even though she had a history of harassing them and doing her best to wreck their lives if they protested at attempts to rape them by Bill, is better than a man who has actually given women high paying jobs at a time where it was a male only world at the top.

IOW for a guy like you, nice sounding fake bullshit means far more than real action. Did I miss anything? I'm sure I did, but that's good enough for now. :chuckle:

WOW Ant, I'm impressed.

You are beginning to see the light.. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 28, 2016, 10:24:43 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 28, 2016, 09:38:22 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 28, 2016, 09:23:28 PM
Quote from: Maxx on April 28, 2016, 08:46:42 PM
Quote from the above posted article.

Quote
The analysis shows that Trump counties are places where white identity mixes with long-simmering economic dysfunctions.

The places where Trump has done well cut across many of the usual fault lines of American politics — North and South, liberal and conservative, rural and suburban. One element common to a significant share of his supporters is that they have largely missed the generation-long transition of the United States away from manufacturing and into a diverse, information-driven economy deeply intertwined with the rest of the world.

The economy has worsened for the middle class and poor since the so called "free trade" deals were passed in the Clinton nineties. This has been a theme in much of the writings of Reagan's OMB director, David Stockman. So naturally the poor and lesser educated people are going to be for a man who says he is going to fix this. The other candidates past and present never mention this issue. Illegal immigration is another issue for the poor. The flooding of millions of illegal immigrants have driven down the wages for these people as well. Gardening, roofing, carpet laying has illegals willing to work these for much less money per hour. They can because they will live 35 people to a house taking turns sleeping in the beds. Then there is all the welfare and medical benefits they absorb driving up the costs in taxes and insurance for those that are here legally. Trump also makes this an issue. Nobody else does.

So why shouldn't those who are negatively affected the most be for a man who brings up and addresses these issues?

Maxx,

The same could be said about many countries economics, and they all seem to have the same problem where politicians do not hear these voices let alone act on them..

If Trump is elected, and can bring back jobs for these persons, that can only be good for your country..

He should at least get the chance to back up his words.

The politicians are the tools of the elite. The banking systems, the tax systems and the trade system were never meant to better the poor and middle class. In fact it bleeds them of their wealth. I agree Trump should be given a chance. If he can turn America around then that would be a good example to the people of the rest of the world to follow.

The middle class is what made this country truly great. Henry Ford and many other visionary manufacturers and leaders recognized this. A healthy middle class purchase the products which they are manufacturing. Nixon wanted his deal with China for his legacy and he started the bleed. Who gave China most favored nation trading status? I believe it was Jimmy Carter. Then it was Bill Clinton who claimed he would NOT renew it during his campaign because of China's alleged human rights abuses. Of course he flipped on that. Like most politicians who say anything to get elected.

Of course snobs and elitists like Tommy don't care for the poor or middle class. He thinks he's above normal people, but it didn't stop him from going to a poor country to look for a younger wife when he wasn't happy with his local choices.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 28, 2016, 10:25:43 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 28, 2016, 10:08:11 PM

As a world country, the US should lead by example, and NOT by its foreign policies and military might.

I couldn't agree more.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 28, 2016, 10:28:10 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 28, 2016, 10:24:43 PM

The middle class is what made this country truly great. Henry Ford and many other visionary manufacturers and leaders recognized this. A healthy middle class purchase the products which they are manufacturing. Nixon wanted his deal with China for his legacy and he started the bleed. Who gave China most favored nation trading status? I believe it was Jimmy Carter. Then it was Bill Clinton who claimed he would NOT renew it during his campaign because of China's alleged human rights abuses. Of course he flipped on that. Like most politicians who say anything to get elected.

Of course snobs and elitists like Tommy don't care for the poor or middle class. He thinks he's above normal people, but it didn't stop him from going to a poor country to look for a much younger wife when he wasn't happy with his local choices.

I added a much needed word.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 28, 2016, 10:34:53 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 28, 2016, 10:18:10 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 28, 2016, 09:58:53 PM
Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 06:50:14 PM
Quote from: Slumba on April 28, 2016, 05:12:08 PM
Anyone TomT disagrees with = "idiot". It has never yet occurred to him that someone else might be aware of things or truths that he is not.

If there is anything that you hate more than having someone disagree with you, it's having someone produce evidence that contradicts your emotional arguments.

You have called Trump an idiot and much worse. Could you produce some evidence that you have accomplished more than Trump? I am really wondering -- if Trump is an idiot and yet he's accomplished far more than you have, what does that make you?? :prophead:

No doubt you'll be voting for "crooked" Hillary. After all in your bizarre world a woman who claims to champion women, even though she had a history of harassing them and doing her best to wreck their lives if they protested at attempts to rape them by Bill, is better than a man who has actually given women high paying jobs at a time where it was a male only world at the top.

IOW for a guy like you, nice sounding fake bullshit means far more than real action. Did I miss anything? I'm sure I did, but that's good enough for now. :chuckle:

WOW Ant, I'm impressed.

You are beginning to see the light.. ;D

Beginning? You really don't know me very well do you? I've been a conservative for most of my life, and when I first showed up at this forum some guy was giving me a real hard time and did his very best to get me banned. The same guy who calls anyone who disagrees with a particular type of woman a "misogynist".

Labeling people who don't go along with attempts to shut down normal healthy debate is the modus operandi of the left. Worshipping some fool who preaches "hope and change" and giving him a Nobel Peace prize -- fools on the left did it. Those same fools are who have ruined Sweden with unabated Muslim immigration. We see it goes all the way to the top with these types.

Anyways, you really don't know me. I can spot a fake 3,000 miles a way. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 28, 2016, 10:37:53 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 28, 2016, 10:28:10 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 28, 2016, 10:24:43 PM

The middle class is what made this country truly great. Henry Ford and many other visionary manufacturers and leaders recognized this. A healthy middle class purchase the products which they are manufacturing. Nixon wanted his deal with China for his legacy and he started the bleed. Who gave China most favored nation trading status? I believe it was Jimmy Carter. Then it was Bill Clinton who claimed he would NOT renew it during his campaign because of China's alleged human rights abuses. Of course he flipped on that. Like most politicians who say anything to get elected.

Of course snobs and elitists like Tommy don't care for the poor or middle class. He thinks he's above normal people, but it didn't stop him from going to a poor country to look for a much younger wife when he wasn't happy with his local choices.

I added a much needed word.

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 28, 2016, 11:01:43 PM

Quote from: Anteros on April 28, 2016, 10:34:53 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on April 28, 2016, 10:18:10 PM
Quote from: Anteros on April 28, 2016, 09:58:53 PM
Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 06:50:14 PM
Quote from: Slumba on April 28, 2016, 05:12:08 PM
Anyone TomT disagrees with = "idiot". It has never yet occurred to him that someone else might be aware of things or truths that he is not.

If there is anything that you hate more than having someone disagree with you, it's having someone produce evidence that contradicts your emotional arguments.

You have called Trump an idiot and much worse. Could you produce some evidence that you have accomplished more than Trump? I am really wondering -- if Trump is an idiot and yet he's accomplished far more than you have, what does that make you?? :prophead:

No doubt you'll be voting for "crooked" Hillary. After all in your bizarre world a woman who claims to champion women, even though she had a history of harassing them and doing her best to wreck their lives if they protested at attempts to rape them by Bill, is better than a man who has actually given women high paying jobs at a time where it was a male only world at the top.

IOW for a guy like you, nice sounding fake bullshit means far more than real action. Did I miss anything? I'm sure I did, but that's good enough for now. :chuckle:

WOW Ant, I'm impressed.

You are beginning to see the light.. ;D

Beginning? You really don't know me very well do you? I've been a conservative for most of my life, and when I first showed up at this forum some guy was giving me a real hard time and did his very best to get me banned. The same guy who calls anyone who disagrees with a particular type of woman a "misogynist".

Labeling people who don't go along with attempts to shut down normal healthy debate is the modus operandi of the left. Worshipping some fool who preaches "hope and change" and giving him a Nobel Peace prize -- fools on the left did it. Those same fools are who have ruined Sweden with unabated Muslim immigration. We see it goes all the way to the top with these types.

Anyways, you really don't know me. I can spot a fake 3,000 miles a way. :ROFL:

I'm 6,900 miles away so that is good for me to know.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-29%20at%208.59.08%20AM_zps9bmcpj1o.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 28, 2016, 11:09:54 PM

31,000 fans show up for Trump rally in Costa Mesa, CA.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+trump+rally+costa+mesa+ca&view=detail&mid=0E1AA56246006F76E9070E1AA56246006F76E907&FORM=VIRE

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 28, 2016, 11:50:55 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 07:26:42 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/upshot/the-geography-of-trumpism.html

I don't like dealing in "dueling articles" since after all, few writers are 100% objective. You might find this article to serve as something contrarian to the NYT received wisdom (it's also a month and a half newer, thus more reflective of current reality):

Quote

Trump's sweep of Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, Connecticut and Rhode Island on Tuesday included wins in some of the richest and best-educated counties in the country - like Fairfield County, Connecticut, and Newport County, Rhode Island - and added to victories in his more traditional strongholds of white working-class neighborhoods.

Exit polls from Connecticut, Pennsylvania and Maryland showed Trump winning about half of Republican voters with college degrees, and over half of Republican voters making more than $100,000 a year.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-28/its-hard-believe-establishment-stunned-trump-gains-wealthy-well-educated-voters

Something that might jump out, not at you, but shakespear:

"As we noted previously, with a number of states remaining including California, Trump is set to surpass current record holder George W. Bush, who received 10.8 million votes in 2000."

Of the people I know who are Trump supporters, they include:

-- guy running his own 75+ person company which manufactures items in USA; former officer in military

-- lawyer who has worked for at least 2 Fortune 50 companies and a Big Six (as it then was) accounting firm

-- almost-retired guy who has run his own business virtually all his life with up to 12 employees; got tired of regulations and paperwork and so cut back to just himself

(none of the above are Cufflinks BTW :chuckle: )

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You might want to think about this NYT page:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/04/19/us/elections/new-york-city-republican-primary-results.html#11/40.7100/-73.9800

Scroll down to "which neighborhoods supported each candidate most". Note that Trump carried his top ones with 80%+ ; while the best Cruz and Kasich could do were lackluster 57% and 55%, respectively.

To me , that says that Trump has more fervent supporters than either Cruz or Kasich. You could argue that Trump's wins come in neighborhoods that are more homogeneous, I suppose. To be honest I don't know a lot about NYC since I never lived there.

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If you want to institute literacy and knowledge tests as part of "who should be allowed to vote", well, that is quite a thorny discussion. Bluntly, it might end up giving Republicans a permanent majority tiphat ...

"One man one vote" is currently the way the USA tries to run things.

So I look askance at what appears to be your view: that your vote should count a lot more than the vote of many other Americans.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 29, 2016, 03:28:56 AM

Slumba, while shakespear might want that his vote counts for more than other people's kinda like, at one time, Negroes in the USA were counted as being 3/5ths of a proper human. Don't know this, CLICK HERE! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-Fifths_Compromise) what he maybe doesn't 'get' is that if he had his way his vote would count for even less than it does now.

The shenanigans, that he supports, serve to directly reduce the impact of ALL the electorate in selecting candidates for the general election to the presidency of the United States. The best that he can hope for is that this diminution of his rights falls on his side - this time!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 29, 2016, 07:44:09 AM

BTW there were riots in Costa Mesa last night, mostly Mexicans showing their true colors by destroying a police car and threatening other physical violence. Proving yet again that when your first act is to break the law when entering, perhaps you don't belong in the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 29, 2016, 07:48:27 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 29, 2016, 07:44:09 AM

BTW there were riots in Costa Mesa last night, mostly Hispanics showing their true colors by destroying a police car and threatening other physical violence. Proving yet again that when your first act is to break the law when entering, perhaps you don't belong in the USA.

It might also indicate how little support Trump has in the latino community.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 29, 2016, 08:19:55 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 29, 2016, 07:48:27 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 29, 2016, 07:44:09 AM
BTW there were riots in Costa Mesa last night, mostly Hispanics showing their true colors by destroying a police car and threatening other physical violence. Proving yet again that when your first act is to break the law when entering, perhaps you don't belong in the USA.

It might also indicate how little support Trump has in the latino community.

You mean with illegals and other criminal types? :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 29, 2016, 08:24:17 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 29, 2016, 08:19:55 AM

You mean with illegals and other criminal types? :coffeeread:

No. Current polling data reveals 80% of Latinos will not vote for Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 29, 2016, 09:28:03 AM

Hey Andrewfi, he's one for you!

If it's in the newspaper, it must be true, right?

After all, such a credible source would never print anything they hadn't absolutely researched and independently verified.

And of course Trump with his well documented respect for women would be beyond suspicion in such a crime.

:ROFL:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/donald-trump-denies-rape-teenage-7857357#ICID=sharebar_facebook

http://www.inquisitr.com/3044556/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-claims-trump-forced-12-and-13-year-old-girls-to-peform-oral-sex-on-him/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on April 29, 2016, 12:33:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 29, 2016, 09:28:03 AM

Hey Andrewfi, he's one for you!

If it's in the newspaper, it must be true, right?

After all, such a credible source would never print anything they hadn't absolutely researched and independently verified.

And of course Trump with his well documented respect for women would be beyond suspicion in such a crime.

:ROFL:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/donald-trump-denies-rape-teenage-7857357#ICID=sharebar_facebook

http://www.inquisitr.com/3044556/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-claims-trump-forced-12-and-13-year-old-girls-to-peform-oral-sex-on-him/

Probably the establishment trying to discredit him now he is gaining momentum.

Never say never I suppose, but Trump doesn't seem to be short of attractive women. Why mess about with kids? And who in their right mind would run for president with that skeleton in the closet?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 29, 2016, 12:49:51 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 29, 2016, 12:33:32 PM

Probably the establishment trying to discredit him now he is gaining momentum.

Never say never I suppose, but Trump doesn't seem to be short of attractive women. Why mess about with kids? And who in their right mind would run for president with that skeleton in the closet?

Well, the suit was filed Tuesday in California. Why ask why when dealing with perverts?

Better check with Andrewfi. He's the self-proclaimed expert regarding the accuracy of high quality media reports in regards to sexual infidelities.

About the charges, he has been accused of rape before. It seems to me the more megalomaniac the man is, the more "bulletproof" he thinks he is regarding the consequences of his behavior. And there is no bigger megalomaniac than Trump.

I'd say the Trump story is much more likely true than the Cruz story about 5 infidelities. The conservative media has been absolutely silent on the Trump matter. What a surprise.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 29, 2016, 01:13:54 PM

Desperation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 29, 2016, 01:21:55 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 29, 2016, 01:13:54 PM

Desperation.

How so?

I don't think it has anything to do with the campaign but the timing is certainly fortuitous.

Cruz is rapidly closing ground in Indiana. Trump knows he's going to lose. That's why he's moved on to California.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 29, 2016, 02:58:41 PM

Both stories were legitimate.

The Cruz story was about a group investigating and claiming infidelity (not the paper itself). A story about a story so to say.

The Trump story is about a 20 something year ago rape where an unknown woman with a fake address and telephone number personally submitted a lawsuit evidently written by an unknown legal person, after trying to get $30,000 out of news outlets for the story.

Both stories are similar in that all the actors have a relationship and could be true but lack real proof.

Personally I tend to believe a little of both being the lives of the rich and powerful often mix with the sexual and perverted. Also believe that neither will go anywhere though if this latest one does go anywhere it should be soon.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 29, 2016, 03:22:22 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 29, 2016, 08:24:17 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 29, 2016, 08:19:55 AM

You mean with illegals and other criminal types? :coffeeread:

No. Current polling data reveals 80% of Latinos will not vote for Trump.

I suspect about 70% of that 80% won't bother voting anyways, so not a problem. There are plenty of law abiding Latinos who would like to raise their children in safe neighborhoods without gang violence and drugs. So we'll see if the law abiding normal ones turn out in higher numbers for Trump or not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 29, 2016, 03:29:28 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 29, 2016, 12:33:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 29, 2016, 09:28:03 AM
Hey Andrewfi, he's one for you!

If it's in the newspaper, it must be true, right?

After all, such a credible source would never print anything they hadn't absolutely researched and independently verified.

And of course Trump with his well documented respect for women would be beyond suspicion in such a crime.

:ROFL:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/donald-trump-denies-rape-teenage-7857357#ICID=sharebar_facebook

http://www.inquisitr.com/3044556/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-claims-trump-forced-12-and-13-year-old-girls-to-peform-oral-sex-on-him/

Probably the establishment trying to discredit him now he is gaining momentum.

Never say never I suppose, but Trump doesn't seem to be short of attractive women. Why mess about with kids? And who in their right mind would run for president with that skeleton in the closet?

No doubt something trumped up (no pun intended) by associates of Hillary Clinton. The only person pervy enough to have something to do with kids is Bill Clinton who went to an island where an associate of his was doing such.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 29, 2016, 06:07:07 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 29, 2016, 08:24:17 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 29, 2016, 08:19:55 AM

You mean with illegals and other criminal types? :coffeeread:

No. Current polling data reveals 80% of Latinos will not vote for Trump.

1. Current polling data can change

2. in 2008 Latinos went 76% for Obama. So not much has changed even if so.

3. I don't FFFFFing care. Illegals have to go back.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on April 29, 2016, 06:09:31 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 29, 2016, 09:28:03 AM

Hey Andrewfi, he's one for you!

If it's in the newspaper, it must be true, right?

After all, such a credible source would never print anything they hadn't absolutely researched and independently verified.

And of course Trump with his well documented respect for women would be beyond suspicion in such a crime.

:ROFL:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/donald-trump-denies-rape-teenage-7857357#ICID=sharebar_facebook

http://www.inquisitr.com/3044556/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-claims-trump-forced-12-and-13-year-old-girls-to-peform-oral-sex-on-him/

Story about Cruz: sourced, backed up with behavior and contemporaneous Tweets of at least 1 alleged lover (Amanda Carpenter). Written by a USA journalist who broke the Edwards story (another cheating pol); printed by a corporation subject to libel laws.

Story about Trump: allegations in a lawsuit yet to go to trial.

Shakespear's view: the 2 stories are exactly 100% equivalent in motivation and likely veracity.

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on April 29, 2016, 07:20:53 PM

Jeffrey Epstein is the ultimate gift that keeps on giving.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 29, 2016, 08:15:52 PM

BOT The Thor God Trump will save the west.

Get used to it.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 29, 2016, 08:57:42 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 29, 2016, 06:09:31 PM

Shakespear's view: the 2 stories are exactly 100% equivalent in motivation and likely veracity.

That's a true statement.

I think BOTH stories are politically motivated and have equally zero credibility

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 29, 2016, 09:01:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 29, 2016, 08:57:42 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 29, 2016, 06:09:31 PM

Shakespear's view: the 2 stories are exactly 100% equivalent in motivation and likely veracity.

That's a true statement.

I think BOTH stories are politically motivated and have equally zero credibility

Except that the National Enquirer has a strong history of breaking true stories because among all media they do not hesitate to pay for real PROOF.

Just saying.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 29, 2016, 11:07:27 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 29, 2016, 08:15:52 PM

BOT The Thor God Trump will save the west.

Get used to it.

(Attachment Link)

If it was more horizontal than vertical I would use it as my wall paper on my computer screen. Thanks cufflinks, you are a class guy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 29, 2016, 11:34:37 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 29, 2016, 01:21:55 PM

Quote from: Maxx on April 29, 2016, 01:13:54 PM

Desperation.

How so?

I don't think it has anything to do with the campaign but the timing is certainly fortuitous.

Cruz is rapidly closing ground in Indiana. Trump knows he's going to lose. That's why he's moved on to California.

Trump has moved on to California because he knows he's going to win in Indiana.

Apparently you've never heard of Bobby Knight? They like winners over there.

You never even liked Cruz and now you're rooting for Cruz. Weird.

Meanwhile Trump has 81% of the delegates needed to win. He will end the campaign with more votes then any other Republican candidate in the history of primaries. Your plan to attempt to derail the will of the people has failed.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-has-81-percent-of-delegates-needed-to-win-nomination/ar-BBsqXQ2?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on April 30, 2016, 02:56:00 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 29, 2016, 09:28:03 AM

Hey Andrewfi, he's one for you!

If it's in the newspaper, it must be true, right?

After all, such a credible source would never print anything they hadn't absolutely researched and independently verified.

And of course Trump with his well documented respect for women would be beyond suspicion in such a crime.

:ROFL:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/donald-trump-denies-rape-teenage-7857357#ICID=sharebar_facebook

http://www.inquisitr.com/3044556/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-claims-trump-forced-12-and-13-year-old-girls-to-peform-oral-sex-on-him/

And the girl is already asking $20k for pictures from the moment she announced.

Riiiiiiiiight.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 30, 2016, 03:24:59 AM

Tom's kind of people. The well educated intellectuals of the Left

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 30, 2016, 03:31:36 AM

Shakespear, when, just when, have I EVER written, or even hinted, that everything that is in a newspaper is true?

Mate, look, you are under pressure, you have a thing with cognitive dissonance (the King Canute thing) but is THIS where your capabilities are right now?

Go and read the source for the story, which seems to be, based upon publication time, the Daily Mirror, in the UK. You will see that the story is very thin with most of the 'meat' relating to his former wife during their divorce proceedings. That claim was comprehensively walked back by Ivana Trump over the years. Then take a look at the rest of the media. Unlike the Cruz case there's no sign of any corroboration from any other sources. ALL report based upon the same information. Then, most tellingly there's a comprehensive peiece from the UK's DailyMail which suggests, with support, that the accusations are a hoax: CLICK HERE! (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3564767/Donald-Trump-furiously-denies-woman-s-claims-raped-tycoon-billionaire-pedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-s-sex-parties.html)

So, is it possible the story is true?
Yes, and it is also possible that there is a god and that Santa Claus flies round the world in a sleigh drawn by flying reindeer.

But a sensible bloke, capable of enough clarity of thought to pull in an MBA and be, it has been suggested, one of the brightest people in the United States would be very sceptical of the veracity of this story. Put it this way, in this case, the Daily Mail has more to lose, in terms of credibility, by incorrectly showing that this case is a hoax than the other sources have to lose for getting their story wrong.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 30, 2016, 08:23:00 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 29, 2016, 11:34:37 PM

You never even liked Cruz and now you're rooting for Cruz. Weird.

I'm not rooting FOR Cruz, I'm rooting AGAINST Trump.

Hmmmm.

81% of the 50% required means he only has 40.5% of the delegates overall.

Hardly the "choice of the people"

Thanks for proving my point for me. :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 30, 2016, 08:29:22 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 29, 2016, 11:34:37 PM

Trump has moved on to California because he knows he's going to win in Indiana.

Last poll I saw showed Cruz up 16 points in Indiana. (Indiana/Purdue Fort Wayne Poll) Cruz 45, Trump 29, Kasich 13

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 30, 2016, 08:40:07 AM

It's difficult to decide if Clinton is falling out of favor or if RCP's rolling average has been compromised by a pair of fliers. Of course, Trump's supporters would prefer to believe the former... or any worthless anecdotal evidence (see reply # 2749) that gives them hope.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on April 30, 2016, 08:50:20 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 30, 2016, 08:23:00 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 29, 2016, 11:34:37 PM

You never even liked Cruz and now you're rooting for Cruz. Weird.

I'm not rooting FOR Cruz, I'm rooting AGAINST Trump.

Hmmmm.

81% of the 50% required means he only has 40.5% of the delegates overall.

Hardly the "choice of the people"

Thanks for proving my point for me. :nod:

The Governor of Florida Rick Scott has come out against the "never Trump" movement. He say's that it's very bad for the party and it's time to unite behind the frontrunner.

But there's you and your type, still trying to destroy the party. You had your chance almost a year ago and you failed (Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasich all failed to convey their message). The people have spoken and now prominent politicians will be backing Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on April 30, 2016, 08:54:54 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 30, 2016, 08:29:22 AM

Quote from: Anteros on April 29, 2016, 11:34:37 PM
Trump has moved on to California because he knows he's going to win in Indiana.

Last poll I saw showed Cruz up 16 points in Indiana. (Indiana/Purdue Fort Wayne Poll) Cruz 45, Trump 29, Kasich 13

A data point that far from the average is suspect.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 01, 2016, 08:05:34 AM

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-04-30/here-s-your-degree-now-go-defeat-demagogues

Quote from: Bloomberg

As durable as the American system of government has been, democracy is fragile -- and demagogues are always lurking. Stopping them starts with placing a premium on open minds, voting, and demanding that politicians offer practical solutions, not scapegoats or pie-in-the-sky promises.

In 1928, Republicans promised a “chicken in every pot and a car in every backyard.” They won control of Congress and the White House, and a year later, instead of a chicken and a car, we got the Great Depression.

Today, when a populist candidate promises free college, free health care and a pony, or another candidate promises to make other countries pay for our needs, remember: Those who promise you a free lunch will invariably eat you for breakfast.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 01, 2016, 09:16:57 AM

Once again Trump the people's choice, but not getting the delegates.

Trump backers furious over defeat at Arizona GOP convention

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/01/trump-backers-furious-over-defeat-at-arizona-gop-convention.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 01, 2016, 09:24:48 AM

If Donald Trump does score a large victory in Indiana, Ted Cruz should step down. It's clear that Trump is the people's choice.

Donald Trump Leads Cruz by 15 Points in Crucial Indiana Race

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/donald-trump-leads-cruz-15-points-crucial-indiana-race-n565356

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 01, 2016, 02:29:02 PM

It seems the 'relationship' of T. Cruz & J. Kaisch is over. What I am amazed is the Republican Party establishment. Are they even more stupid than the outhouse door. It seems to me Trump is the favorite.

And while Shakey might point out that women do not trust Donald, the inverse is also true I can not find any men who trust her. I use her guardedly. I would vote for Bernie before that thing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 01, 2016, 08:53:04 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 01, 2016, 02:29:02 PM

It seems the 'relationship' of T. Cruz & J. Kaisch is over. What I am amazed is the Republican Party establishment. Are they even more stupid than the outhouse door. It seems to me Trump is the favorite.

And while Shakey might point out that women do not trust Donald, the inverse is also true I can not find any men who trust her. I use her guardedly. I would vote for Bernie before that thing.

So would I. In fact even if Bernie does not take Donald's clever suggestion and run as an independent, I suspect many young people and some others will write his name in as opposed to voting for Screech Benghazi. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 02, 2016, 04:38:59 AM

The Mask Comes Off: Putrefaction Most Foul
By Fred Reed
May 2, 2016

I love it: Donald Trump’s campaign reveals the establishment for what it is, a swamp of corruption as fetid as those of Latin America. It is better entertainment than Vaudeville. The frantic scramble to rig the primaries, change the rules, and thwart the voters–anything to defend their cozy entanglement of political tapeworms–makes absurd any pretense of democracy.

This morning in the Drudge Report: “Trump Highest Number of Republican Voters in History.” Who do the Republicans want to get rid of? Trump.

On the same page, a poll reports Trump tied with Hillary nationally. Who do the Republicans want to get rid of? Guess.

It’s wonderful. The GOP is looking for someone that Hillary can beat. She would squash Kasich or Cruz like stepping on bugs. Trump might actually win. This the Republicans strive to avoid. What could make more sense?

But it does make sense. The Republicans try desperately to ditch the only Republican candidate who could win the Presidency because…Hillary is one of them. Because, as every sentient being has by now noticed, the Republicans and Democrats are members of the same corrupt club of blood-sucking parasites, the action arm of the corporations, Wall Street, the Israeli lobby, and those who want the US to control the world at any cost–except, of course, to them. They are panicked at the rise of someone who might put first the interests of America. Better Hillary, a fellow parasite, than Trump, who isn’t.

The latest skulduggery is the Virginia governor’s allowing convicted felons to vote. The obvious intention is to increase the black vote for Hillary. In Chicago, the dead vote. In Virginia, the killers. This sort of thing, of course, explains the support for Trump.

Will the two parties succeed in blocking the Donald? Might they even resort to the Martin Luther King solution? My powers of political prognostication would be under zero if they could figure out how to get there. If the felony vote and delegate-tampering bring Trump to the convention with only 1236 delegates, and the Republicans broker in some sad-sack compliant loser, well, the mask will be definitive, openly, for all time off. Welcome to Paraguay.

Which would be only another step in the country’s race toward the Third World?

What would the public do if Trump were robbed of the nomination? What could the public do? There might be protests, mass demonstrations in the streets, but so what? The Insiders’ Club would just wait them out. Once a society realizes that it has no power over its rulers, it lapses into resignation. Republicans do not loot malls or burn cities, and would soon go home. But all the world would see that the Americans have no recourse, that the Insiders do as they please. Welcome to China.

But the mask would be forever off. Very, very off.

If the Republicans deep-six Trump, and Hillary runs against Kasich, or Cruz, or some other derelict, what then? Our choices will be not to vote, which will make no difference, to vote for either of the party candidates, which will make no difference, or to vote for Trump if he runs as a third party, which will make no difference. But at least we will have seen under the log, the squishy pale creatures scurrying. They will keep their grip on the country, but the world will know them for what they are.

And America for what it is: Corrupt to the roots of its teeth. The corruption is adroitly hidden, yes, or disguised as something else. Yet it is there. Consider the subprime disaster. To believe that it was an accident, or a cyclical downturn, or another artifact of econobabble, one has to believe that bankers, realtors, and Wall Street do not understand mortgages, credit, or defaults. You have to believe that officials of the Treasury, who slide back and forth between Wall Street and government like the motion of the tides, had no idea what was going on.

At the top, America is as corrupt as Mexico but American corruption is far more efficient. Among the white middle class, the rot is less. But within the clubhouse of insiders, at the level of the anointed, of the Adelsons and Epsteins and Clintons and Bushes, there is putrefaction most foul.

It is cleverly done, and seldom involves anything so sordid as open bribery. Yet the results are everywhere. Men who knew exactly what they were doing engineered the student-loan bubble. Yet it is legal, like so many scams. Huge military contracts for things not needed, the near-control of Mid-Eastern policy by Israel, poor medical care at high prices, the deliberate gutting of American industry so that corporations can enrich themselves in China–all of this is legal. You pay Congress and it makes legal anything you want.

Credit cards, which intentionally lure people into going deeply into debt and paying usurious interest rates, are legal. Big Pharma paid Congress to rule that Medicare cannot negotiate the price of drugs, opening a sluice to the Treasury. Corruption, but legal.

Under the rule of the Insiders Club, medical care is a fecund source of legal graft. Example: I once needed eye drops from Bausch and Lomb called Muro, which amounted to hypertonic salt water. A bottle of 1.8 (I think it was) ounces cost $23 in Washington, $19 in Winchester, Virginia. Exactly the same product in Mexico, $6. Price-fixing, but where and by whom? What Congressmen were paid to make it legal, or not look into it too closely, or at all?

Welcome to Guatemala.

Corruption has come to be the purpose of government, and the Club battens on it. Do You want to see the political equivalent of a public latrine in Uganda? Try HUD, the Department of Housing and Urban Development. I promise that you will be horrified by the diversion of funds and lining of pockets.

You ask, Fred, why do you say this? Are you a student of HUD? No. I know nothing of HUD. I know much of government. HUD is an outfit with over thirty billion a year to spend, completely unwatched. Have you ever seen a newspaper story about HUD? I guarantee that it is dominated by the sacred ethnic groups who milk it like a prize Guernsey, and by big companies getting sweetheart contracts.

Or try Commerce, or Education, or the Bureau of Indian Affairs, or Congress.

It is to preserve these overflowing rice bowls that we have elections without substance between candidates without a difference. Hillary is just Jeb Bush in a dress, Biden a universally applicable cipher, Cruz a compliant applicant for membership in the club. Since the parties collude in avoiding issues that people care about, the contest becomes a popularity contest of the sort found in middle school. Whoever wins, the Insiders win.

Of course, Trump also is a billionaire,but he is a turncoat, a class traitor, the Benedict Arnold of billionaires. He addresses the issues that the Insiders want to remain unaddressed. He is indeed dangerous. He threatens the endless (immensely profitable) wars, the endless (immensely profitable) shipping of American jobs to China, the endless (immensely profitable) importation of cheap Mexican labor. He threatens the sacred rice bowls.

It is why he must be stopped.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 02, 2016, 09:26:21 AM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Eduard on May 02, 2016, 09:27:56 AM

Maxx,
I agree with most in the article above, however I disagree with 2 points:
a) I don't think that Cruz is striving for the club membership. I think he is an idealogue who truly believes in the constitution, and frankly given the choices we have in this election cycle he is the only choice to steer this country in the right direction IMO.
b) Trump is not really an "outsider". He has been part of the corrupt system by buying and controlling politicians. I went to see him when he had an appearance in Sarasota, FL before he even announced his candidacy. I actually really liked what I saw and heard. But I was disappointed with him soon after he announced that he was running. And the more I find out about him the more I'm worried about him becoming a president.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 02, 2016, 09:32:20 AM

Quote from: Eduard on May 02, 2016, 09:27:56 AM

And the more I find out about him the more I'm worried about him becoming a President.

Ya think?
:nod:

You think intimidating and insulting women to the point they don't go to the polls and vote is a roadmap to running a successful campaign for the US Presidency?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 02, 2016, 09:36:22 AM

There's a thing that some who are not accustomed to business won't 'get'. And it is important because Clinton is not a businesswoman, she is a rent taker.

Here's the important thing: markets need regulation. Entrepreneurs know this but they still will do all they can to go right to the margins. They rarely cross those margins but they know exactly where they are.

Rent takers, well, they exist only by taking advantage of others, they offer no value. That's most politicians - Clinton included.

What does that mean? Well, you might not like Trump but because, for him, the deal is the thing, stealing isn't in his bag of tricks. Clinton, well we already know where she stands on that stuff.
I'd prefer to deal with an entrepreneur, no matter how sharp, than a politician telling me she is honest.

Shakespear, what are you making up now?
You are becoming delusional. Look, here's a word of advice, object to what is said, object to what is done but don't, for your credibility's sake, object to stuff that you invent!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 02, 2016, 09:59:08 AM

This author does a good job of summing up something about the GOP that I knew but could never quite put my finger on. Emphasis mine.

http://www.counter-currents.com/2016/05/what-trump-didnt-predict/

Quote

And this is where Trump makes his mistake. The critical point to understand about the conservative movement, what writers like James Kirkpatrick has called “Conservatism Inc.,” is that it has no stake in political victory or even implementing particular policies. Indeed, the “worse” things get, the more money it makes. At the same time, no matter how badly it is defeated politically, Conservatism Inc. functionaries have to continue to believe they are really in charge both of their “movement” and the country itself.

Most polls indicate Trump is well behind Hillary Clinton. Of course, this was not always the case. Trump’s decline really began when the organs of the conservative movement began a coordinated attack against the frontrunner of their own party. This makes no sense if you think the conservative movement actually opposes Hillary. But it doesn’t.

The primary interest the Beltway Right has is keeping its control over grassroots Republicans. Trump is the real threat, not President Hillary. President Hillary is an opportunity.

...

The point of the movement is to fail. They are militant precisely on those issues (cutting Medicare, cutting expenditures on infrastructure, pushing upper class tax cuts, restricting abortion for victims of rape) which are deeply unpopular, while rolling over on issues which they can win, like stopping illegal immigration, pushing English as the national language, or opposing trade policies which hurt the interests of American workers.

They claim to defend Christian values but provide tax cuts to the very corporate leaders who are pushing homosexuality and transgenderism on Southern states with threats of boycotts. And they either never see the contradiction or simply don’t care.

BTW that site has a lot of "alternative" views from different writers...note I am only quoting from this 1 article.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 02, 2016, 10:11:45 AM

When the Republican party is actively trying to sabotage the campaign of their candidate who, according to a poll I read, is likely to get 70% of Republican votes in a general election and where substantial numbers of Democratic leaning voters will vote for him as well then we know there's something wrong.

For all the bluster about fielding another candidate, there's nobody, just nobody (at least not among the living) who can muster that kind of support.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 02, 2016, 11:31:48 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 02, 2016, 10:11:45 AM

For all the bluster about fielding another candidate, there's nobody, just nobody (at least not among the living) who can muster that kind of support.

I saw Tricky Dick and Ronnie having a bad coffee at Starbucks. Just have to find Elvis and we have a platform.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 02, 2016, 11:50:40 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 02, 2016, 10:11:45 AM

When the Republican party is actively trying to sabotage the campaign of their candidate who, according to a poll I read, is likely to get 70% of Republican votes in a general election and where substantial numbers of Democratic leaning voters will vote for him as well then we know there's something wrong.

For all the bluster about fielding another candidate, there's nobody, just nobody (at least not among the living) who can muster that kind of support.

It continues to amaze me how somebody could write in such an apparent authoritative manner about a subject he seems to know so little about.

Approximately 39% of voters identify as Republican. So when you say 70% of Republicans, you're talking about 27% of the voters. Approximately 43% of voters identify as Democrat. About 20% of Democrats say they'd cross party lines and vote for Trump. That's about 8.6% of the voting public. On the other hand 14% of Republicans say they'd cross party lines and vote for Clinton. That's about 5.5% of the population.

So 18% identify as Independent. 47% of those would support Trump (8.5% of population) and 31% of those would support Clinton (5.5% of population).

Republican Trump Voters: 27.0%
Net Crossover: 3.1%
Independent Trump Voters: 8.5%
Undecided Independent Voters: 2.4%
Who Will Decide To Vote For Trump

TOTAL TRUMP SUPPORT: 41.0%

So in conclusion, Trump gets beat by Hillary with a double digit margin as I've predicted from the start.

Just what the last 20 polls have indicated as well

His unfavorable ratings are off the charts.

In their frustration, the lesser educated Republicans have gravitated toward a charismatic reality television star who by temperament and experiences has no business being the candidate.

Why wouldn't responsible people want to put somebody in nomination that at least has a chance of winning the General Election?

BTW, in my mind, that's NOT Ted Cruz. Boehner's assessment of him was pretty accurate. He's been a useful tool in preventing the Trump campaign form getting 1237 delegates.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 02, 2016, 11:51:12 AM

Quote from: Eduard on May 02, 2016, 09:27:56 AM

Maxx,
I agree with most in the article above, however I disagree with 2 points:
a) I don't think that Cruz is striving for the club membership. I think he is an idealogue who truly believes in the constitution, and frankly given the choices we have in this election cycle he is the only choice to steer this country in the right direction IMO.
b) Trump is not really an "outsider". He has been part of the corrupt system by buying and controlling politicians. I went to see him when he had an appearance in Sarasota, FL before he even announced his candidacy. I actually really liked what I saw and heard. But I was disappointed with him soon after he announced that he was running. And the more I find out about him the more I'm worried about him becoming a president.

I believe the opposite. Cruz moved to Texas just as Obama moved to Chicago so he could position himself to the politics of that area. For Obama it was as community organizer with welfare (socialism) for blacks. For Cruz Texas was a good place to position himself as a constitutional tea party type. The truth on Cruz can be seem by who he married. I'll let Roger Stone explain:

Vladimir Lenin said, “There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel.”

I can’t think of a better description of Ted Cruz’s relationship with the DC-Wall Street Establishment – Cruz being the scoundrel of course. Cruz’s claim of not being a tool of the political elite is like Bill Clinton telling the world, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”

Webster’s definition of a scoundrel is a dishonest or unscrupulous person, and Cruz has become quite adroit at saying one thing while his history shows him doing the other. Rather than the outsider he claims to be, Ted Cruz is the ultimate insider, former top Bush 41 policy aide and globalist, Ivy Leaguer, and establishment insider.

Not many conservatives coming out of Princeton and Harvard. “I’m just sayin,'” Ted, as said in the debate.

There is no better example of this than Calgary Ted’s actions surrounding the big Wall Street banks and their secret funding of his political ascension. Cruz has been gorging at the table of the ultimate insider of all insiders – Goldman Sachs and Citibank .

You may recall in a recent Fox Business Network debate that Cruz, in Mr. Haney from Green Acres voice, declared to one of the moderators, “The opening question [moderator Jerry Seib] asked — would you bailout the big banks again — nobody gave you an answer to that. I will give you an answer — absolutely not.”

What else would you expect a scoundrel to say who had secretly secured big sweetheart loans from Goldman and Citibank — by leveraging his retirement accounts –– to fund his 2012 U.S. Senate campaign. Loans which the Calgary Ted conveniently forgot to disclose to the Federal Election Commission. These are the very retirement accounts that he said he and his wife said he cashed in to fund his senate race. In other words, Ted lied.

At the same time Ted’s bulging 2016 campaign accounts and supporting Super-PACs are stuffed with big oil and gas money. He knows how to play the game.

And perhaps the ultimate hypocrisy of the native born Canadian is that his spouse, Heidi, by all accounts a lovely wife and mother, has been employed by Goldman Sachs since 2005. She is on leave as managing director and regional head of private wealth management. Heidi is a proud member of the lefty Council on Foreign Relations, advocates of one world government and the New World Order.

Heidi is not a bit player in the Cruz campaign with those credentials but rather an integral part of the campaign’s fundraising efforts. As reported by CNN last year, “She works the phones the way she worked them when she was at Goldman,” said Chad Sweet, the Cruz campaign’s chairman, who recruited Heidi to work at the giant investment bank.”

Yet we are to believe that the big Wall Street banks have no leverage over Ted Cruz? Why didn’t Heidi Cruz resign from Goldman Sachs instead of taking a leave of absence? That’s like saying Bill Ayers and Saul Alinsky have had no influence on Barack Obama.

The other inside connection that hits one like a baseball bat is the Bush connection.

Ted was George W.’s brain when he ran for President. A top policy adviser. Ted maneuvered for Solicitor General in Bush World but settled for a plum at the Federal Trade Commission. Ted’s a Bushman with deep ties to the political and financial establishment.

Ted and Heidi brag about being the first “Bush marriage” – they met as Bush staffers which ultimately led to marriage. Cruz was an adviser on legal affairs while Heidi was an adviser on economic policy and eventually director for the Western Hemisphere on the National Security Council under Condoleezza Rice. Condi helped give us the phony war in Iraq.

Also conveniently missing from Heidi’s Wikipedia bio is her service as Deputy U.S. Trade Representative to USTR head Robert Zoellick. At USTR Heidi worked on U.S.-China trade policy- the one Donald Trump talks about so much.

And Chad Sweet, Ted Cruz’s campaign chairman, is a former CIA officer. Michael Chertoff, George W. Bush’s former Secretary of Homeland Security, hired Sweet from Goldman Sachs to restructure and optimize the flow of information between the CIA, FBI and other members of the national security community and DHS. Chertoff and Sweet co-founded the Chertoff Group upon leaving the administration.

A known tactic of the intelligence community is the use of strategic communications as a “soft power” weapon against it adversaries — the creation of false narratives by the effective use of all media — social, digital, newspaper, print, etc. Combined with denial and deception, it can be a potent force. Glenn Beck and Mark Levin are abetting this.

Despite his ability to lie with a straight face (sadly Nixonian) on his support for amnesty and TPP, he got nailed by Senator Marco Rubio on the debate. Acting like a prick in the U.S. Senate was the core of Ted’s disciplined effort to bury his old school ties and reinvent himself as a modern-day Jesse Helms and supposed Conservative outsider. It’s a ruse.

As we get closer to the Iowa Caucus and New Hampshire Primary, Cruz and his establishment puppet masters are engaged in an aggressive strategy against Trump. The false narrative of course being that Cruz is the outsider while Trump is the insider. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

In its most simplistic terms – the power elite have no leverage over Trump – nothing.

Cruz, on the other hand, is the establishments quisling, spawned by the Bushes and controlled by Wall Street, who became a strident “outsider” only four years ago.

The U.S. Constitution does not defined “native born” citizen, nor have the courts. That Ted was eligible to run for office as a citizen only 15 months ago is weird. Trump’s right the Democrats would have a field day with Calgary Ted, the Manchurian, Canadian Candidate.
Don’t get me wrong. Ted Cruz is a smart, canny, talented guy who has run a great “long race” campaign. He aspires to be Reagan but trust me he’s Nixon. Right down the incredible discipline and smarts playing the political game. Ted Cruz is not who he appears to be. As the bible says, “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.” In this case we must beware a Canadian bearing gift

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/26/who-is-the-real-ted-cruz/#ixzz47WO66LIn

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Eduard on May 02, 2016, 12:07:45 PM

seems like the politics is all smoke and mirrors and the common folk has no say or control over who controls them. Revolution is obviously not the answer as it evolves into the same or much worse. So what's the answer? Forget about idealism, patriotism, right and wrong and just do what's right for you and yours? The way of the "smart money" people is THE WAY, I guess? (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 02, 2016, 12:17:35 PM

This is a shock. The National debt has risen over 1 trillion dollars in the last 6 months!

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/6-months-budget-deal-debt-more-1-trillion

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The Senate passed “The Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015” with a vote held in the early morning hours of Friday, Oct. 30. Obama signed it on Monday, Nov. 2.

At the close business on Oct. 30, 2015, the total federal debt was $18,152,981,685,747.52. By the close of business on April 28, 2016—the latest date for which the Treasury has published the number--the total federal debt was $19,186,207,744,589.55.

That is an increase of $1,033,226,058,842.03.

How long can that go on before there is an implosion?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 02, 2016, 12:40:19 PM

Looks like Shakes Bakes the Anti Trump numbers like he did the Pro Romney Tsunami in 2012...

More news trending in the right direction:

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/278366-poll-trump-has-2-point-lead-over-clinton

May 02, 2016 11:00 am
Trump leads Clinton by 2 points in Rasmussen poll

Donald Trump leads Hillary Clinton by 2 points in a head-to-head matchup, according to a new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey.

Trump gets 41 percent to Clinton's 39 percent in the new poll.

This poll differs from recent polling, which all show Clinton, the Democratic presidential front-runner, holding a lead over her Republican counterpart. According to the RealClearPolitics average of polls, Clinton has a 7.3-point lead over Trump, 47.4 to 40.1 percent.

Just last week, Clinton and Trump tied in another Rasmussen poll in which each won 38 percent. In that survey, voters were also allowed to answer that they would stay home and not vote for either candidate.

According to the latest Rasmussen poll, 15 percent of respondents would prefer some other candidate and 5 percent were undecided.

The recent poll also found that Trump does twice as well among Democrats as Clinton does among Republicans in a matchup between the two candidates.

Trump takes 15 percent support of Democrats in a general election matchup between Trump and Clinton, but Clinton takes just 8 percent of GOP voters.

Looks like Crooked Hillary beginning to stick... given the her Malignant Management of Email Messages and the CGI Crime Cartel.

Plus:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/05/02/judge-napolitano-new-developments-hillary-clinton-email-investigation-justice-department

DOJ Acknowledges Hillary Email Investigation Is a 'Law Enforcement Matter'

...Looks like Obama now even distancing himself from the chronic Clinton Criminal Cartel cancer on his administration and legacy...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Eduard on May 02, 2016, 02:37:22 PM

Let's face it, Hillary is not going to face prosecution with Obama being her "Roof". I would think he would have a lot to loose if she decided to spill the beans on him. After all she was working for him and was implementing his orders and policies, just like the IRS people. Last I heard nobody at the IRS was prosecuted, or am I wrong? This sort of corruption is sickening and when I was a bit more naive and idealistic I'd say un-american. But now it seems it's as American as "apple pie".
Human nature has prevailed! LOL :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 02, 2016, 04:28:31 PM

Quote from: Eduard on May 02, 2016, 09:27:56 AM

Maxx,
I agree with most in the article above, however I disagree with 2 points:
a) I don't think that Cruz is striving for the club membership. I think he is an idealogue who truly believes in the constitution, and frankly given the choices we have in this election cycle he is the only choice to steer this country in the right direction IMO.
b) Trump is not really an "outsider". He has been part of the corrupt system by buying and controlling politicians. I went to see him when he had an appearance in Sarasota, FL before he even announced his candidacy. I actually really liked what I saw and heard. But I was disappointed with him soon after he announced that he was running. And the more I find out about him the more I'm worried about him becoming a president.

What was it that disappointed you soon after he announced he was running? Trump is a very successful businessman and job creator. He speaks like a common blue-collar man -- people understand his blunt way of speaking and they like it. Of course he had to contribute to Democratic candidates as a businessman in NY City, a very liberal city. No doubt he said things which would make them happy and leave him alone.

The most important thing to me is the economy. Only Trump has the real expertise to get our economy humming again. Just look at the fact that Jeb Bush spent something like 40 Million dollars on negative advertising in New Hampshire, and lost to Trump, who spent far less. Trump has been a genius at running a successful campaign on a shoestring budget. This kind of ability to get things done economically is exactly what Washington DC needs.

Although I liked Cruz a lot in the past I feel that he's been acting desperate and doing strange things. He simply is not known as somebody who could get along with others in Congress. Even though I liked him a lot I see Trump as being somebody who would work very hard to build a consensus and get deals done.

Already many of the mainstream Republicans have quietly been calling Trump and expressing support. I also believe Trump is very serious about stopping illegal immigration. Chances are he will station the National Guard on a permanent basis on our southern border until a proper wall can be built.

Not sure why you've changed your mind about Trump but I would like to hear your opinions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 02, 2016, 04:39:03 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 02, 2016, 10:11:45 AM

When the Republican party is actively trying to sabotage the campaign of their candidate who, according to a poll I read, is likely to get 70% of Republican votes in a general election and where substantial numbers of Democratic leaning voters will vote for him as well then we know there's something wrong.

For all the bluster about fielding another candidate, there's nobody, just nobody (at least not among the living) who can muster that kind of support.

Before the convention Trump will have garnered more votes than Reagan and Bush Jr. combined. It's because of the exciting campaign of Trump that more people have come out and voted. Republicans should be ecstatic at the fact that Trump has greatly expanded the party, and those loyal to the party are.

Shakespear and his lot are the Benedict Arnold's of the party. They would rather vote for psychotic Hillary "screech" Benghazi Clinton than a real Republican. :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Eduard on May 02, 2016, 05:27:52 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 02, 2016, 04:28:31 PM

Quote from: Eduard on May 02, 2016, 09:27:56 AM
Maxx,
I agree with most in the article above, however I disagree with 2 points:
a) I don't think that Cruz is striving for the club membership. I think he is an idealogue who truly believes in the constitution, and frankly given the choices we have in this election cycle he is the only choice to steer this country in the right direction IMO.
b) Trump is not really an "outsider". He has been part of the corrupt system by buying and controlling politicians. I went to see him when he had an appearance in Sarasota, FL before he even announced his candidacy. I actually really liked what I saw and heard. But I was disappointed with him soon after he announced that he was running. And the more I find out about him the more I'm worried about him becoming a president.

What was it that disappointed you soon after he announced he was running? Trump is a very successful businessman and job creator. He speaks like a common blue-collar man -- people understand his blunt way of speaking and they like it. Of course he had to contribute to Democratic candidates as a businessman in NY City, a very liberal city. No doubt he said things which would make them happy and leave him alone.

The most important thing to me is the economy. Only Trump has the real expertise to get our economy humming again. Just look at the fact that Jeb Bush spent something like 40 Million dollars on negative advertising in New Hampshire, and lost to Trump, who spent far less. Trump has been a genius at running a successful campaign on a shoestring budget. This kind of ability to get things done economically is exactly what Washington DC needs.

Although I liked Cruz a lot in the past I feel that he's been acting desperate and doing strange things. He simply is not known as somebody who could get along with others in Congress. Even though I liked him a lot I see Trump as being somebody who would work very hard to build a consensus and get deals done.

Already many of the mainstream Republicans have quietly been calling Trump and expressing support. I also believe Trump is very serious about stopping illegal immigration. Chances are he will station the National Guard on a permanent basis on our southern border until a proper wall can be built.

Not sure why you've changed your mind about Trump but I would like to hear your opinions.

at first his comments on Carly's face was a big turn off, that was stooping down to a high school bully level showing a complete lack of emotional maturity. Other comments toward McCain, etc. as well. He impresses me as somebody for the role of a king, not a president. I also don't see substance behind his promises to fix things. He says that he will impose taxes on Chinese and Mexican made goods, but it's only going to hurt American consumers as they will just have to pay more for them. I wish he would get deeper into HOW he is going to fix the economy instead of just repeating the sound bytes. IMO he is a 50/50 guy. There is 50% chance that he will be good for the country and 50% that he will be as bad or even worse than Obama. Just my opinion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 02, 2016, 06:21:36 PM

Quote from: Eduard on May 02, 2016, 05:27:52 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 02, 2016, 04:28:31 PM
Quote from: Eduard on May 02, 2016, 09:27:56 AM
Maxx,
I agree with most in the article above, however I disagree with 2 points:
a) I don't think that Cruz is striving for the club membership. I think he is an idealogue who truly believes in the constitution, and frankly given the choices we have in this election cycle he is the only choice to steer this country in the right direction IMO.
b) Trump is not really an "outsider". He has been part of the corrupt system by buying and controlling politicians. I went to see him when he had an appearance in Sarasota, FL before he even announced his candidacy. I actually really liked what I saw and heard. But I was disappointed with him soon after he announced that he was running. And the more I find out about him the more I'm worried about him becoming a president.

What was it that disappointed you soon after he announced he was running? Trump is a very successful businessman and job creator. He speaks like a common blue-collar man -- people understand his blunt way of speaking and they like it. Of course he had to contribute to Democratic candidates as a businessman in NY City, a very liberal city. No doubt he said things which would make them happy and leave him alone.

The most important thing to me is the economy. Only Trump has the real expertise to get our economy humming again. Just look at the fact that Jeb Bush spent something like 40 Million dollars on negative advertising in New Hampshire, and lost to Trump, who spent far less. Trump has been a genius at running a successful campaign on a shoestring budget. This kind of ability to get things done economically is exactly what Washington DC needs.

Although I liked Cruz a lot in the past I feel that he's been acting desperate and doing strange things. He simply is not known as somebody who could get along with others in Congress. Even though I liked him a lot I see Trump as being somebody who would work very hard to build a consensus and get deals done.

Already many of the mainstream Republicans have quietly been calling Trump and expressing support. I also believe Trump is very serious about stopping illegal immigration. Chances are he will station the National Guard on a permanent basis on our southern border until a proper wall can be built.

Not sure why you've changed your mind about Trump but I would like to hear your opinions.
at first his comments on Carly's face was a big turn off, that was stooping down to a high school bully level showing a complete lack of emotional maturity. Other comments toward McCain, etc. as well. He impresses me as somebody for the role of a king, not a president. I also don't see substance behind his promises to fix things. He says that he will impose taxes on Chinese and Mexican made goods, but it's only going to hurt American consumers as they will just have to pay more for them. I wish he would get deeper into HOW he is going to fix the economy instead of just repeating the sound bytes. IMO he is a 50/50 guy. There is 50% chance that he will be good for the country and 50% that he will be as bad or even worse than Obama. Just my opinion.

I didn't like the comment about Carly's face or the comment about John McCain either. Having said that in regards to the Chinese, Japan and Mexico essentially what he is doing is putting them on notice. A major part of negotiating is being willing to walk away. We've had very weak negotiators and all our trade partners have known it. In particular the Chinese are probably one of the best at negotiating. With Trump they know he's willing to walk away.

In regards to higher prices it's really very simple. If you are not willing to pay higher prices for certain goods from China then you need to be keenly aware that the real price which you've paid is a loss in sovereignty. The Chinese now have intellectual access to Boeing trade secrets and Apple trade secrets because of our lust for lower prices. Lower prices at what cost? Not only the loss in sovereignty, but also the loss of the middle class. Don't forget that if the middle class had high paying jobs, they could afford to pay higher prices.

When I was a kid people were willing to save their money and wait longer to purchase certain goods, which were of a much higher price. Take consumer electronics for example. It's the only product in the World which for the last 25 years you got more and more features, at a lower cost. Guys who 25 years ago made 40K to 50K selling that stuff had their jobs wiped out. I was one of them. Consumers would say -- hey thanks a lot for spending the last 1 to 2 hours explaining that gear -- I will come back in 6 months when the price is even lower. Essentially negative inflation or too low of prices is actually NOT good for some industries. It wipes out the urge to buy something and it wipes out high paying jobs.

Notice Gypsy and Manny have pointed out that the sanctions have caused Russia to grow more of their own foods. The prices might be higher but they have more national sovereignty. Well in a way they do -- their economy is still mostly a one or two trick pony -- but it's been good for their national pride.

I would rather wait longer, save my money and pay higher prices for some products in order to regain my national sovereignty. Vote your conscience. Trump is more likely than the others to negotiate better trade deals IMO.

Then there is coal and the Keystone pipeline. Trump will be rebuilding the coal industry from day one and he will approve the Keystone pipeline from day one.

I cannot fathom how you might think Trump would be similar to Obama. Not even remotely close.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 02, 2016, 07:26:10 PM

Looking to be a coast to the finish for Trump.
1237? No problem!

Trump trouncing in Calif. by 34 points: Poll

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/05/02/trump-trouncing-calif-34-points-poll/83847098/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 02, 2016, 08:27:07 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 02, 2016, 07:26:10 PM

Looking to be a coast to the finish for Trump.
1237? No problem!

Trump trouncing in Calif. by 34 points: Poll

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/05/02/trump-trouncing-calif-34-points-poll/83847098/

I am fairly confident Trump will win Indiana tomorrow.

Cruz should drop out if he does, but Cruz is very stubborn.

California, Nebraska and New Jersey will be the icing on the cake. :-*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 03, 2016, 12:25:50 AM

Quote from: Eduard on May 02, 2016, 05:27:52 PM

He says that he will impose taxes on Chinese and Mexican made goods, but it's only going to hurt American consumers as they will just have to pay more for them. I wish he would get deeper into HOW he is going to fix the economy instead of just repeating the sound bytes. IMO he is a 50/50 guy. There is 50% chance that he will be good for the country and 50% that he will be as bad or even worse than Obama. Just my opinion.

I keep something in mind about that. If Trump can make America's economy a productive one again by getting manufacturing humming then that will be the tide that will lift all boats. Right now people are losing ground day-by-day. One trillion dollars in new National debt in 6 months! and healthcare costs going up like a rocket something has got to be done other than the status quo of 'kick the can down the road.' As Trump said 4 or 8 years of Hillary and America will be finished. America will be beyond repair and stuffed full of people who have no traditional American values and only want to take and get.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 03, 2016, 02:31:57 AM

Is the Ford Motor Company getting a sniff of the coffee?

They have just announced that they are changing plans for opening a new plant in Mexico - now the plant will be built in the Untied States instead.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 03, 2016, 03:11:50 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 03, 2016, 02:31:57 AM

Is the Ford Motor Company getting a sniff of the coffee?

They have just announced that they are changing plans for opening a new plant in Mexico - now the plant will be built in the Untied States instead.

No doubt the Trump effect. With some changes here and there with the tax code, the ending of the IRS' ability to destroy at will and environmental regulators kept on a short leash I could see industry returning to the U.S. That would never happen under Hillary, Sanders or any of the other Republicans.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Eduard on May 03, 2016, 05:44:34 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 03, 2016, 12:25:50 AM

Quote from: Eduard on May 02, 2016, 05:27:52 PM
He says that he will impose taxes on Chinese and Mexican made goods, but it's only going to hurt American consumers as they will just have to pay more for them. I wish he would get deeper into HOW he is going to fix the economy instead of just repeating the sound bytes. IMO he is a 50/50 guy. There is 50% chance that he will be good for the country and 50% that he will be as bad or even worse than Obama. Just my opinion.

I keep something in mind about that. If Trump can make America's economy a productive one again by getting manufacturing humming then that will be the tide that will lift all boats. Right now people are losing ground day-by-day. One trillion dollars in new National debt in 6 months! and healthcare costs going up like a rocket something has got to be done other than the status quo of 'kick the can down the road.' As Trump said 4 or 8 years of Hillary and America will be finished. America will be beyond repair and stuffed full of people who have no traditional American values and only want to take and get.

Makes sense, Maxx. I hope you are right.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 03, 2016, 06:47:02 AM

Quote from: Eduard on May 03, 2016, 05:44:34 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 03, 2016, 12:25:50 AM
Quote from: Eduard on May 02, 2016, 05:27:52 PM
He says that he will impose taxes on Chinese and Mexican made goods, but it's only going to hurt American consumers as they will just have to pay more for them. I wish he would get deeper into HOW he is going to fix the economy instead of just repeating the sound bytes. IMO he is a 50/50 guy. There is 50% chance that he will be good for the country and 50% that he will be as bad or even worse than Obama. Just my opinion.

I keep something in mind about that. If Trump can make America's economy a productive one again by getting manufacturing humming then that will be the tide that will lift all boats. Right now people are losing ground day-by-day. One trillion dollars in new National debt in 6 months! and healthcare costs going up like a rocket something has got to be done other than the status quo of 'kick the can down the road.' As Trump said 4 or 8 years of Hillary and America will be finished. America will be beyond repair and stuffed full of people who have no traditional American values and only want to take and get.
Makes sense, Maxx. I hope you are right.

"No pain no gain". I don't know anything in life that is in a big mess that this does not apply too. That is what has got me worried. Americans or I should say most of American are pampered and coddled and the means to correct our mess will not set well with them. The real hard choices would have to come in Trump's second term. Obama did that too. The first effects of Obamacare only kicked in on his second term and his "fundamentally changing the United States of America" by flooding us with third world immigrants happened also in his second term.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 03, 2016, 06:51:43 AM

Charging tariffs for imports is not the way to go - it is the traditional retreat for the US when economic times get a little hard. That the US, that bastion of free trade should be so isolationist at heart is a surprise for many USAians but free trade is a concept that the US likes to export for its own benefit. ;)

The problem is that tariffs are not a good solution although it can seem that way at first glance. Usually tariffs are set such that if an importer sells goods at a high price then there is no tariff charged, this is to disincentivise what the USAians like to call 'dumping' which its where an efficient, relatively low cost overseas manufacturer can sell goods at a lower price than the incumbent, less efficient, higher cost manufacturer.

However, what this ends up doing is putting extra profit in the pocket of the importer and overseas manufacturer and the home market manufacturer has no incentive to prove efficiency or cost. Ultimately the home manufacturer goes out of business.

Of course, tariffs, in most cases, are illegal according to the terms of trade agreements that the US has built up over the years and will end up creating a trade war which the US really can't hope to win.

If the US is to strengthen its home base manufacturing then they really need to disincentivise US firms from offshoring their manufacture - for example, Apple is really no more than the marketing wing of Foxconn of Taiwan. Apple manufactures almost nothing.

Many cars sold in the US are built for US companies by foreign firms and re-branded with local names.

Rather than setting up tariffs the US might be better served by reducing the ease with which firms can remove jobs (and even manufacturing plant) from the US because it is those firms which have taken short term profits at the expense of the long term health of their society that are the real issue here.

My guess is that should Trump end up being president that this, in fact, is what he'd try to achieve because he is not daft - he knows that explaining how offshoring has crippled the US manufacturing base is a harder explanation than the familiar and easy to understand tariff barrier so well known to generations of auto and steel workers. ;)

Could he implement such a scheme?
Well, there's a reason why so much money is being spent on sabotaging his campaign, eh?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on May 03, 2016, 08:08:52 AM

Offshoring stuff I have never seen quality in the field of my own expertise.

Indian workers in India try to do the same work the western world is doing. And companies poor a huge amount of money/knowledge in Mombay, delhi etc. to get indian workers up to speed, but you can't replace decades of experience in this stuff that easily.

Sub-standard work is always explained like 'if he does it wrong 10x and right 1x' he is still cheaper than someone who does it right the first time.

I always respond with: If he does it wrong 10x, you have corporate damage 10x that goes far greater scope than IT alone. Sales explaining your sub-standard software, company profits being hurt by patch-jobs and last minute repairs, lawsuits and lawyers if the misstake was grave, and tons more. The execs never realise this until 20 years later, when most software-devving is done in America/Europe again and only the standard-runn-of-the-mill password resets remain in India.

If you think hiring a european is expensive, wait till you hire an indian!

The same goes for manufactoring I think. Prototyping/development is done in USA/Europe, but the 100k+ standardized builds are done in eastern-world companies.

Mark.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 03, 2016, 08:16:19 AM

Quote from: Markje on May 03, 2016, 08:08:52 AM

Offshoring stuff I have never seen quality in the field of my own expertise.

Indian workers in India try to do the same work the western world is doing. And companies poor a huge amount of money/knowledge in Mombay, delhi etc. to get indian workers up to speed, but you can't replace decades of experience in this stuff that easily.

Sub-standard work is always explained like 'if he does it wrong 10x and right 1x' he is still cheaper than someone who does it right the first time.

I always respond with: If he does it wrong 10x, you have corporate damage 10x that goes far greater scope than IT alone. Sales explaining your sub-standard software, company profits being hurt by patch-jobs and last minute repairs, lawsuits and lawyers if the misstake was grave, and tons more. The execs never realise this until 20 years later, when most software-devving is done in America/Europe again and only the standard-runn-of-the-mill password resets remain in India.

If you think hiring a european is expensive, wait till you hire an indian!

The same goes for manufactoring I think. Prototyping/development is done in USA/Europe, but the 100k+ standardized builds are done in eastern-world companies.

Mark.

Great post Mark! Furthermore disinflation of certain goods (negative inflation) is NOT good for those industries! When people go to purchase a new car they know that the price is going up. This gives them incentive to purchase NOW rather than later. Healthy profit margins are good for all involved. The sales people can make a living and the dealers can invest in more inventory and improved facilities.

And as you have correctly pointed out, sometimes there is a huge difference in quality and the long term cost can be greater than the short term savings! We just need to slow down, get back to saving and waiting for something of higher quality and stop being such a throw away society!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 03, 2016, 08:25:31 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 03, 2016, 06:51:43 AM

Rather than setting up tariffs the US might be better served by reducing the ease with which firms can remove jobs (and even manufacturing plant) from the US because it is those firms which have taken short term profits at the expense of the long term health of their society that are the real issue here.

I have seen first hand businesses I used to serve go out of business because they couldn't compete with foreign firms that paid their workers a small fraction of what they had to pay theirs. Before their manufacturing collapsed and they were forced to become distributers of the foreign firms if pressure was put on them to stay in America how would that help? They still would have had their manufacturing go out of business. And why should China, India et cetera put yuuuge tariffs on American goods and we are supposed to not on theirs? It seems that America has to allow itself to sink to that of the rest of the world and lower its standard of living to that of the Chinese peasants to be able to compete in this world. Things were working great before NAFTA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 03, 2016, 08:31:44 AM

From Politico

Poll: Trump up to 56 percent nationally
By NOLAN D. MCCASKILL 05/03/16 06:52 AM EDT

Donald Trump reached a new high among Republicans in a national NBC News|SurveyMonkey poll released Tuesday.
The real estate mogul has 56 percent support, more than doubling his advantage over Ted Cruz, who sits at 22 percent. John Kasich rounds out the survey with 14 percent support. An additional 7 percent remain undecided.

Trump is the only Republican candidate with any mathematical path to securing the GOP nomination outright, though Cruz and Kasich are hoping to emerge as the nominee at a contested convention in July should Trump fall short of the requisite 1,237 delegates.
A majority of Republicans and Republican-leaning voters (58 percent), however, say Kasich should drop out of the race right now. The Ohio governor has won just a single state throughout the primary. Almost 40 percent said Cruz, who has outmaneuvered the front-runner in several states by securing delegates who would switch their allegiance to his campaign once they’re unbound from Trump, should fight on through the convention. Thirty-six percent said Cruz should drop out now, and another 23 percent said he should drop out after the last primaries.

In a move meant to show that he’s in it until the end, Cruz named name former Hewlett-Packard executive Carly Fiorina as his running mate, though voters aren’t excited about his decision. Almost half said they were dissatisfied by his announcement, and 45 percent believe he chose Fiorina because she’s a woman. Only 12 percent, however, believe he chose her because she’s the best veep candidate. Instead, 84 percent said he chose Fiorina in effort to revitalize his campaign.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/how-popular-is-donald-trump-222728#ixzz47bSSzcmZ
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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 03, 2016, 08:53:44 AM

Mark, Ant, get back to us about quality when your iPhone is manufactured in the United States. Oh, that's right, it isn't because the capability no longer exists.

Quality is not an issue with work or production not done in the US (or the EU for that matter). If something is crap it is ALWAYS because somebody was not willing to pay enough for better- because they did not value the improvement in quality that extra spending would bring.

The truth is that the US is crippled when it comes to manufacture because of offshoring. Quality isn't the issue. It was, and still is, cheaper to have people working in other parts of the world than the US, not necessarily because of lower wages but because of US corporate taxation. Shareholders of businesses got bigger dividends when firms took their manufacturing and, more recently, services overseas because the firms were able to reduce their tax burden. And yes, for those who can only deal with the obvious, often direct costs were lower as well.

To rebuild US manufacturing will take time; just as in Russia the infrastructure, both human and technological, has to be rebuilt but the incentive will come from a lowering of corporate taxes in the United States. As you can see here (http://www.forbes.com/sites/taxanalysts/2015/03/25/the-truth-about-corporate-tax-rates/#272987c520a5) there is some dispute as to whether the effective rate, as opposed to the nominal rate is much different, but that is going to be based upon the choices of the offshoring firm, a point missed in the article and also the perceptions of the managers of the business, also missed by the writer of the article. However, no matter who you slice it, US corporate taxes are significantly higher than other developed countries. In addition rules that allow firms to retain revenues overseas and not pay tax upon them, effectively indefinitely, means that, again, offshoring, investing overseas being part of the process, is the way to go.

But, whatever you do, don't moan about quality, if you don't get quality in your work environment then talk to your manager or employer. In the marketplace, spend enough to get the quality you want. Chances are that in neither case will the required money be spent and thus the commercial and retail markets will supply that which the buyers are willing to pay.

Maxx, I think you may know less about tariffs than you think you do. Go do some reading about the WTO and what it means and about the tariff policies followed by the United States. Here's the truth - productivity is a relative value that is obtained by examining output per unit labour cost.
HUH sez you?
If it costs a US firm $100 to produce 1 of a good and it costs them $50 to produce that same good in China then there's no point in making that good in the US. Whether the difference is down to taxation, wages or lower quality is immaterial. The shareholders shouldn't allow it and managers have a legal obligation to maximise return to shareholders.

China has relatively few tariff barriers and they are in areas where the US is incompetent anyway - domestic electronics goods, large motorcycles and raisins spring to mind. But what a tariff always does is ensure that a buyer pays more than he needs to for the good. The only question is who profits from that pilferage. It could be the US government or it could be the efficient importer. Always though the inefficient domestic manufacturer, in the end suffers because they have no incentive to improve.

Tax policy on the other hand provides a positive incentive to domestic companies to re-shore or to not offshore in the first place.

The problem the US faced was inefficient manufacturers who had managed for many years to have a large, captive audience (you guys) to whom they could sell shoddy goods at high prices. You lot lapped up the chance to buy shoddy goods at low prices in some areas and to buy higher quality goods at reasonable price in others. Your manufacturers chose to, in large part, shut up shop or depend upon foreign manufacture. Your labour unions have a share in that disaster as well - feather bedding employees and burdening manufacturers with huge costs for pensions and inefficient working practices that nobody else in the world would get.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 03, 2016, 09:31:57 AM

Andrew I can assure you that the manufacture of jewelry coming out of China is a much lower quality than when it was American made. I went in to a shop that does all the upsizing, downsizing and repair work for all of Kohl's 2000+ stores nationwide. The jeweler there was vibrating a ring with a rotating shaft tool. I asked him what he was doing. He said that the rings have such poor craftmanship that the stones rotate in their setting and have a tendency to drop out. I had the same problem with the crucibles I bought that were made in China. The dang things would crumble when I put a pair of tongs on them. That was bad because their purpose is to be filled with molten gold at 2000 degree F and carried with those tongs. The Chinese make crap.

I remember 20 years ago talking to a syndicated nationwide talk show host and telling him all the problems NAFTA is going to bring. He made the same arguments you are. About 20 years later the average American is making 10% less than what they did in 1999. No growth at all. Reagan's OMB director David Stockman brings this out as does former Assistant Treasury Secretary Paul Craig Roberts, historian and politico Patrick J Buchanan and now Trump. What these guys have in common is they are all considered rejects by the billionaire establishment class. They were all somebodys at one time and now they are ostracized by the establishment as unsophisticates.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 03, 2016, 10:05:26 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 03, 2016, 08:53:44 AM

Mark, Anteros, get back to us about quality when your iPhone is manufactured in the United States. Oh, that's right, it isn't because the capability no longer exists.

The capability certainly does exist, it just exists at a higher cost. It is well documented that corporations like Nike and Apple outsourced to Chinese manufactures for PROFIT for their shareholders.

Apple is already planning to bring some manufacturing of their products back to the USA for various reasons. One of them is that manufacturing in China has been getting more and more expensive, the other is for publicity value.

Nike makes some of their more expensive shoes in the USA as does New Balance. Brooks running shoes are made entirely in the USA.

The manufacturing capability not only still exists in the USA, it is of the highest quality and wealthy foreigners covet those products as well as Americans who can afford them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 03, 2016, 10:15:35 AM

I largely agree with Andrew's analysis on offshore economics driven by extremely high USA business taxation except for realization of the facts that USA and EU companies are burdened by onerous labor, workplace safety, Environmental and Climate Change regulations that countries like China, Mexico, Brazil, Africa and south and east Asia largely ignore with wholesale abandon. Pun intended.

Here is another perspective:

I donated to Ron and Rand Paul's "money bomb" campaigns for Audit the Fed and other initiatives.

Just dawned on me that the FBI criminal law enforcement investigation of the trail of evidence in Hillary's email server regarding many emails among the reported 75,000+ indicating clear Conflict of Interest in the fund raising and outright influence peddling public corruption surrounding the Clinton Global Initiative Foundation run personally by Bill, Hillary and their daughter Chelsea.

Reports are that the CGI foundation was a tax exempt 501c3 charitable conduit for the likes of the Saudis, the Russian who bought the USA's largest uranium processor, Nigerian Oil traders, as well as Warren Buffet, Bill Gates and U2's Bono. Estimates are more than $50 Billion plus USD has been funneled through or pledged to the Clinton Global Initiative and spread around Africa and other third world countries and perhaps a few token charitable groups in the USA, EU and EE.

Just how much of those funds were legit charitable fund raising and just how much were masked to purchase influence in the Obama admin via the Secretary of States Office? Media reports are she never stepped down from the CGI because she did not trust Bill with the CGI Billions in funds and pledges and needs this as her cushion should she not be voted in as POTUS.

More than enough justification for the Trump campaign and GOP demand that Hillary agree to Audit the CGI Foundation!

She would of course dodge the issue and that alone is enough to arouse great suspicion among the voters who will be harmed by the Clinton/Sanders platform of USA industry destruction:

1. Taxes to rise even further under Clinton Sanders combined platform.

2. Global Warming fanatacism will destroy what is left of the USA Strategic Industrial base including weakening the DoD's combined readiness even further.

3. Elimination of the USAs massive coal industry (carbon emissions)

4. Elimination of Natural Gas and Oil Well fracking.

5. Elimination of Offshore Drilling.

6. Breakup of the big banks in face of massive Global Competition.

7. Destruction of what remains of USA Manufacturing via onerous EPA and OSHA regulatory attacks.

8. Elimination of the Conservative Political PACs tax exemption via continued IRS corruption.

9. Driving the highly profitable US Financial and Securities trading markets totally offshore in a globalized 7/24 trading interweb. These companies and exchanges can operate anywhere they so choose and driving taxes higher and instituting Sanders Wall Street "Speculation Tax" on every trade.

10. The Wall Street Speculation Tax will have an unintended consequence of driving services companies that manage IRA and Mutual Funds and Pension funds offshore as well to conserve on expenses to offset all of the new Clinton/Sanders across the board taxes - this includes seeing a massive increase in offshore medical and dental "tourism" services as the Affordable Care Act becomes ever more un-affordable and implodes under the weight of Clinton Sanders socialized medicine mandates with skyrocketing fees, co-pays and deductibles.

In many cases the care offshore due to lower medical care taxes and much lower malpractice insurance rates will allow many Americans to get complicated care and surgeries for less than their annual family co-pays and deductibles under the so called Affordable Care Act.

This Bernt Hillary platform is a recipe for mass collapse in the USA and I have already begun to implement a Nomad Capitalist offshore flags strategy and "retire' offshore and set up businesses in various girl friends names to avoid any FATCA reporting and global taxation issues. Several plates will be spinning and doing my bidding based upon business I will secure from the boom in US Servicing Offshoring - off course I will control all on line offshore accounts as the offshore mastermind - that is my plan and I am sticking to it.

This is why it is Do or Die to Elect Mr. Trump this election cycle or move off shore with a solid Plan B if it is Hillary & Bernie.

Off course if Mr. Trump implements his 15% flat USA business income tax and eliminates burdensome anti business labor and environmental regulations the USA becomes the new Switzerland for all businesses and sets off a competitive boom with all of our available land and cheap energy sources. (If the USA were to go Carbon Free there would be Zero impact on Global Warming Climate Change with 6 Billion other people on the planet with exploding birth rates burning all the fossil fuels they can find so the Obama Global Warming Police prosecuting Climate Change skeptics changes nothing. Would be smarter to invest in Dutch type dike and ocean flood control technologies around the Globes low lying population areas like the USAs Atlantic and Gulf Coasts.

Can I interest anyone in Tropical New England beach resorts with gorgeous New England summer weather?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 03, 2016, 03:15:32 PM

What Andrew writes about is largely correct.

But sailboats and jewelry products from China are so inferior that it is a joke. On the other side I have seen plastic tooling from China, while cheap does not meet standards stated in the contract. The representative was all bent out of shape when he was told that the contract would not be honored because they could not follow specifications.

What China and before Japan was/is very good at is splashing products until they get it correct. Ask them to create something you will get a bad attempt at 'art'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 03, 2016, 04:45:23 PM

Pivot to the GE vs HRC:

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 03, 2016, 05:04:55 PM

Won't be long before they announce Trump winner in Indiana, at the moment he has a 22% lead over Cruz. :thumbsup:

He is now the winner in Indiana. :-*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 03, 2016, 05:10:24 PM

NBC News declared that Trump won Indiana with more than 53% of the vote at 7:04PM Eastern Time just after the polls closed...

Exit polls must be an landslide in favor of Mr. Trump and against the Canadian AnchorCryBaby Schmuck.

Life is Good and it is Big MOmentum going to West By Gawd Virginia and then on to the Left Toasted Coasties!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 03, 2016, 05:19:55 PM

Trump 1041 delegates. Cruz 565 time for Cruz to bow out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 03, 2016, 05:29:03 PM

For party unity Cruz and Kasich should both leave the race. What say you now, Shakespeare?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 03, 2016, 06:04:08 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 03, 2016, 05:29:03 PM

For party unity Cruz and Kasich should both leave the race. What say you now, Shakespeare?

Shakespeare, Cruz, and Kasich don't seem to understand Trump will be the choice of the people. Trump will win the presidency most likely in an epic fashion.
The United states has been stagnant for far too many years. Maybe this time we will have a president that will turn things around for the better.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 03, 2016, 06:45:34 PM

CRUZ SUSPENDED HIS CAMPAIGN FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 03, 2016, 07:03:52 PM

Kasich is now in 4th place in a two man race. :chuckle:

Edit
4m4 minutes agoFox News ‏@FoxNewsCarl Cameron: “@Reince, just moments ago on social media, tweeted that @realDonaldTrump will be the presumptive nominee.” #KellyFile

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 03, 2016, 07:23:48 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 03, 2016, 05:10:24 PM

Exit polls must be an landslide in favor of Mr. Trump and against the Canadian AnchorCryBaby Schmuck.

You used the wrong word.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/DSCF2398_zpsn3ubputh.jpg)

Great news to have that pest Cruz out of it!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 03, 2016, 07:25:29 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 03, 2016, 05:19:55 PM

Trump 1041 delegates. Cruz 565 time for Cruz to bow out.

I do not care for the style of Cruz

You can respect him (sort of) for the standpoints he has taken in the past. If he is interested in the greater good of the US he will graciously bow out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 03, 2016, 07:41:55 PM

I'd like to congratulate Hillary Clinton for becoming the 44th President of the United States tonight.

May God protect the United States from the consequences of an ignorant and short sighted voting segment of the population.

I've given a great deal of thought to what I would personally do if and when this moment ever arrived. I think Donald Trump represents the WORST of politics in America. I've waited for him to start acting more Presidential, but he's getting worse, not better. The final straw in making my decision about Trump today was when I heard him spread a rumor about Cruz's father that he knows was not true for political self gain. His whole campaign is based on creating chaos and confusion in the regular order. It's reality tv drama it its worst form.

I cannot bring myself to vote for a person that I think is uniquely UNQUALIFIED to be President of the United States. Like 51% of the Indiana voters today who did not vote for Trump and will not vote for him in November, I just cannot look at myself in the mirror every morning when I shave and pull the level for him in November. I just cannot do it.

I'm a principled conservative. I've tried every way possible to convince myself that a vote for Trump is consistent with my convictions. It clearly isn't. So I'm a "no vote" on the top of the ticket in November; but will vote solid Republican for the under card on my ballot hand hope that the disease that is Trump does not cause Republicans to lose the Senate or any state legislatures.

After Trump gets beat in November by 10-20 percentage points, let's hope that those simple minded Trumpsters get a dose of reality in their thinking and we can unite on a true conservative candidate that has the ability to unify the party and make Hillary Clinton a one-term President.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 03, 2016, 07:51:12 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 03, 2016, 07:25:29 PM

You can respect him (sort of) for the standpoints he has taken in the past. If he is interested in the greater good of the US he will graciously bow out.

It doesn't matter whether he leaves graciously or not; the important thing is that we don't have a religious zealot in the White House. I noticed that a few people equate a good showing in the primary to a good showing in the general election, though. One thing is for certain: some belief systems are going to be shaken in November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 03, 2016, 08:02:51 PM

I have to agree with the fact that people will be getting a real look at Hillary and won't like what they see.
Donald Trumps numbers vs Hillary will improve every week now till election day, and president Trump will make America great again!

Politics: The one, big, honkin' problem with all those polls showing Hillary winning in November

http://www.caintv.com/the-one-big-honkin-problem-wit

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 03, 2016, 08:09:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 03, 2016, 07:41:55 PM

let's hope that those simple minded Trumpsters

To quote Ronald Reagan, "there you go again" :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 03, 2016, 08:59:08 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 03, 2016, 08:09:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 03, 2016, 07:41:55 PM
let's hope that those simple minded Trumpsters

To quote Ronald Reagan, "there you go again" :chuckle:

Wasn't it Shakes that said he would vote for the GOP party Candidate against Hillary - now like a real Cruz conservative he has backed out on his word. This is especially disconcerting considering this race is between one patriot and a field of Globalist anti Americans bent of doing the deep state GOP establishments bidding.

Fortunately for the real patriots among us we now have a WINNER for a candidate versus the sour grapes Romney Tsunami backers who backed a vicious anti Americans Globalist who made his money at Bain pioneering offshoring of both USA manufacturing and now Services businesses.

Good riddance we will win with a diverse coalition of Patriots and the Globalists can go bugger off and stop destroying our beloved country and constitution.

Read my post upthread about the Hillary CGI Crime Cartel - now the real gloves come off and we save both the USA and the West from the anti American traitors.

As the US Marines are fond of saying LEAD, FOLLOW or GET OUT OF THE WAY.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 03, 2016, 11:18:52 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 03, 2016, 08:59:08 PM

As the US Marines are fond of saying LEAD, FOLLOW or GET OUT OF THE WAY.

Well, there is one former Marine ^ who decided to "get out of the way."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 03, 2016, 11:24:04 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 03, 2016, 07:41:55 PM

I'd like to congratulate Hillary Clinton for becoming the 44th President of the United States tonight.

May God protect the United States from the consequences of an ignorant and short sighted voting segment of the population.

I've given a great deal of thought to what I would personally do if and when this moment ever arrived. I think Donald Trump represents the WORST of politics in America. I've waited for him to start acting more Presidential, but he's getting worse, not better. The final straw in making my decision about Trump today was when I heard him spread a rumor about Cruz's father that he knows was not true for political self gain. His whole campaign is based on creating chaos and confusion in the regular order. It's reality tv drama it its worst form.

I cannot bring myself to vote for a person that I think is uniquely UNQUALIFIED to be President of the United States. Like 51% of the Indiana voters today who did not vote for Trump and will not vote for him in November, I just cannot look at myself in the mirror every morning when I shave and pull the level for him in November. I just cannot do it.

I'm a principled conservative. I've tried every way possible to convince myself that a vote for Trump is consistent with my convictions. It clearly isn't. So I'm a "no vote" on the top of the ticket in November; but will vote solid Republican for the under card on my ballot hand hope that the disease that is Trump does not cause Republicans to lose the Senate or any state legislatures.

After Trump gets beat in November by 10-20 percentage points, let's hope that those simple minded Trumpsters get a dose of reality in their thinking and we can unite on a true conservative candidate that has the ability to unify the party and make Hillary Clinton a one-term President.

What Ben Carson said to that

Quote

“Look what’s happened when we sent insiders and they just keep doing the same thing over and over — be they Republicans, be they Democrats, it doesn’t matter — and the people are absolutely tired of that,” said Carson. “But more importantly, they recognize that we’re on the precipice. If we go over, continuing down the same pathway, we have doomed our children and our grandchildren, and I think the people know that.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 12:14:41 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 03, 2016, 07:41:55 PM

I'd like to congratulate Hillary Clinton for becoming the 44th President of the United States tonight.

May God protect the United States from the consequences of an ignorant and short sighted voting segment of the population.

I've given a great deal of thought to what I would personally do if and when this moment ever arrived. I think Donald Trump represents the WORST of politics in America. I've waited for him to start acting more Presidential, but he's getting worse, not better. The final straw in making my decision about Trump today was when I heard him spread a rumor about Cruz's father that he knows was not true for political self gain. His whole campaign is based on creating chaos and confusion in the regular order. It's reality tv drama it its worst form.

I cannot bring myself to vote for a person that I think is uniquely UNQUALIFIED to be President of the United States. Like 51% of the Indiana voters today who did not vote for Trump and will not vote for him in November, I just cannot look at myself in the mirror every morning when I shave and pull the level for him in November. I just cannot do it.

I'm a principled conservative. I've tried every way possible to convince myself that a vote for Trump is consistent with my convictions. It clearly isn't. So I'm a "no vote" on the top of the ticket in November; but will vote solid Republican for the under card on my ballot hand hope that the disease that is Trump does not cause Republicans to lose the Senate or any state legislatures.

After Trump gets beat in November by 10-20 percentage points, let's hope that those simple minded Trumpsters get a dose of reality in their thinking and we can unite on a true conservative candidate that has the ability to unify the party and make Hillary Clinton a one-term President.

It's going to be a very tight race. Possibly another situation like we had with Gore versus Bush Jr.

I'm fairly confident that Trump will be very good for the economy -- which is really the medicine America needs. He's going to approve that Keystone pipeline and God willing he will find a way to build his wall as well. If he has to declare that it's a national emergency to have that wall not only to keep out illegals but more importantly to keep out future terrorists who might want to come in to the USA that way.

He's going to bring back Billions of overseas US corporate money by lowering the Corporate tax rate and other incentives I suspect.

Hopefully when Trump wins and after he is President for a couple of years he will grow in to the job and you won't be disappointed. I don't want to be disappointed either.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 04, 2016, 02:27:07 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 12:14:41 AM

It's going to be a very tight race. Possibly another situation like we had with Gore versus Bush Jr.

I'm fairly confident that Trump will be very good for the economy -- which is really the medicine America needs. He's going to approve that Keystone pipeline and God willing he will find a way to build his wall as well. If he has to declare that it's a national emergency to have that wall not only to keep out illegals but more importantly to keep out future terrorists who might want to come in to the USA that way.

He's going to bring back Billions of overseas US corporate money by lowering the Corporate tax rate and other incentives I suspect.

Hopefully when Trump wins and after he is President for a couple of years he will grow in to the job and you won't be disappointed. I don't want to be disappointed either.

A couple guesses.

Trump will win in November. And he is too pompous to 'grow into the job'.

Trump will be good for the feel good quality of the US, but addressing issues such as the debt, illegal immigration or the corporate tax rate will not happen.

In fact he will be Born in the States, Putinnet.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 04, 2016, 03:52:43 AM

RNC chairman: Trump is our nominee

By MATTHEW NUSSBAUM 05/03/16 09:09 PM EDT

Donald Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee and it is time for the party to rally around him, RNC chairman Reince Priebus declared on Twitter Tuesday night.

He sent the tweet just minutes after Sen. Ted Cruz finished his speech announcing he was leaving the race — a speech in which Cruz called for unity, but did not mention Trump’s name.
Priebus wrote: “.@realDonaldTrump will be presumptive @GOP nominee, we all need to unite and focus on defeating @HillaryClinton #NeverClinton"
The campaign of John Kasich, who has not suspended his run for president and Tuesday night said it would continue, disputed Priebus' statement on Twitter and vowed to keep fighting.
Kasich strategist John Weaver tweeted: "Appreciate @Reince & his hard work for @GOP, but until someone has 1,237 bound delegates there is no presumptive nominee. CA here we come."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/05/reince-priebus-donald-trump-is-nominee-222767#ixzz47gAOozHn
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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 08:22:02 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 12:14:41 AM

It's going to be a very tight race. Possibly another situation like we had with Gore versus Bush Jr.

You are dreaming. It's going to be a blow-out; probably as much as 20 points. Odds are he'll cause the Democrats to win back the US Senate on Hillary's coat tails.

And it will all be the fault of low information, low educated, reality tv watching voters who drank the "Trumpster kool-aide" instead of keeping their eye on the ball and selecting a candidate who can beat Hillary Clinton, the weakest Democrat candidate since George McGovern.

Trump and his people have no idea what is needed to win a Presidential campaign. The data research, the voter identification and mapping, and other sophisticated methodologies that the Democrats have pioneered and perfected over the past 9 years. In addition, I don't think he's going to raise the money needed to conduct a competitive election. Republican donors will not waste contributions of what they see is clearly a losing campaign. Further, I don't think the RNC is going to share all their secrets with his campaign staff. From what my contacts in Washington DC tell me, the Republican Party hierarchy have already conceded a Hillary victory in 2016 and have already focused their efforts on minimizing under ballot losses in 2016 and stopping her in 2020.

Then there is the electoral college problem. Trump needs to hold all states won in 2012 PLUS pick up Ohio, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, New Mexico, Colorado and Pennsylvania. With 20% of Republicans not voting for the Republican candidate, a 75% negative rating with women voters and 80% negative rating with hispanics - Good luck.

So Anteros, Tom Cat and Cuffy, wear the badge of a Hillary Clinton Presidency with pride. You earned it!

And Anteros, I'm willing to concede my bet with you. Send me your name and mailing address and I'll promptly put a check in the mail. I don't do PayPal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 08:44:14 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 08:22:02 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 12:14:41 AM
It's going to be a very tight race. Possibly another situation like we had with Gore versus Bush Jr.

You are dreaming. It's going to be a blow-out; probably as much as 20 points. Odds are he'll cause the Democrats to win back the US Senate on Hillary's coat tails.

And it will all be the fault of low information, low educated, reality tv watching voters who drank the "Trumpster kool-aide" instead of keeping their eye on the ball and selecting a candidate who can beat Hillary Clinton, the weakest Democrat candidate since George McGovern.

Or it could be the fault of the Republican establishment, who were far too cozy with the Socialist/Marxist PC anti-Christian agenda of the Obama administration.

If you wish to blame somebody you need to put the blame squarely where it belongs: on the backs of RINO's like Mitch McConnell and John Boehner.

And this goes back decades. The Republican party lost touch with the voters, to say the least. They only cared about their power. The middle class had been shrinking for decades.

Furthermore they put up WEAK candidates and they did not take Trump seriously early on when they might have had a chance to stop him. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 09:01:28 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 08:44:14 AM

Or it could be the fault of the Republican establishment, who were far too cozy with the Socialist/Marxist PC anti-Christian agenda of the Obama administration.

If you wish to blame somebody you need to put the blame squarely where it belongs: on the backs of RINO's like Mitch McConnell and John Boehner.

Bullshit!

We Republicans were finally ready to take the White House AND hold majorities in the Senate and House.

Hillary Clinton is the weakest Presidential candidate since George McGovern.

We were FINALLY in a position to fix everything in the first six month of the new administration.

Then you impatient and gullible "Trumpsters" came along and set the Republican Party back 20 years.

The disaster of a Hillary Clinton Presidency is the fault of every single voter that pulled the level for Trump in the voting booth.

Wear that responsibility proudly . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 04, 2016, 09:17:28 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 09:01:28 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 08:44:14 AM
Or it could be the fault of the Republican establishment, who were far too cozy with the Socialist/Marxist PC anti-Christian agenda of the Obama administration.

If you wish to blame somebody you need to put the blame squarely where it belongs: on the backs of RINO's like Mitch McConnell and John Boehner.

Bullshit!

We Republicans were finally ready to take the White House AND hold majorities in the Senate and House.

Hillary Clinton is the weakest Presidential candidate since George McGovern.

We were FINALLY in a position to fix everything in the first six month of the new administration.

Then you impatient "Trumpsters" came along and set the Republican Party back 20 years.

The disaster of a Hillary Clinton Presidency is the fault of every single voter that pulled the level for Trump in the voting booth.

Wear that responsibility proudly . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Shakey chill for 7 or so months, and lets see where we stand in 3 years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 04, 2016, 09:33:57 AM

Gingrich says,
'if you are not for Donald Trump you are for Hillary."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 04, 2016, 09:49:25 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 08:22:02 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 12:14:41 AM
It's going to be a very tight race. Possibly another situation like we had with Gore versus Bush Jr.

You are dreaming. It's going to be a blow-out; probably as much as 20 points. Odds are he'll cause the Democrats to win back the US Senate on Hillary's coat tails.

And it will all be the fault of low information, low educated, reality tv watching voters who drank the "Trumpster kool-aide" instead of keeping their eye on the ball and selecting a candidate who can beat Hillary Clinton, the weakest Democrat candidate since George McGovern.

Every Trumpster is a low-info, poorly educated bumpkin... what does it make you, if you couldn't even figure out his success in the primary? Who is really the person who is out of touch with reality?

Hillary may not even be the nominee.

She is not in good health and (as Trump pointed out months ago) does not have the stamina - those weird glasses she sometimes wears are for the concussion she had a few years ago - meaning, there was damage that is not yet healed. And the coughing is not usual, even for someone in their late 60s.

She lost IN and the "superdelegates" that are always listed in her column, aren't required by rules to vote for her, if I understand things properly. Bernie has shown himself (despite my personal views of him) to be far more effective a campaigner than originally thought.

EDIT to add:

Hillary has only mentioned 1 of the GOP contenders, Trump.

HRC's handlers are absolutely terrified of going up against Trump.

If the GOP establishment falls, so what? Nothing of value would be lost. A lot of consultants who give bad advice but always manage to line their own pockets, might be out of work, though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 10:15:01 AM

Quote from: Slumba on May 04, 2016, 09:49:25 AM

If the GOP establishment falls, so what? Nothing of value would be lost. A lot of consultants who give bad advice but always manage to line their own pockets, might be out of work, though.

Nothing to lose?

How about all your rights to own firearms?

How about medical care?

How about extreme leftists court rulings for the next 20+ years?

All because of President Hillary Clinton and her packing the Supreme Court with Kagan and Soltimeyer clones.

Wear the Hillary badge proudly Slumba. You helped make it happen.

Afraid of Trump? Laughable since the Republican Party selected a candidate that is lower on negatives than Hillary?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 04, 2016, 10:17:00 AM

Who do you hate more? Someone who says he/she is on your side but takes money from those you hate? Or the guy/gal who says what they believe that you do not agree with? Bernie's voters, all those under 45, are disgusted with Hillary. She won't release the Goldman Sachs transcripts Sanders is asking for. So what are they going to do? Sit out the election like Shakespear says he's going to do. I say Trump by 20 points.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 04, 2016, 10:18:42 AM

Shakespear you are being funny yes? (Or trying)

Which candidate is it that Trump has prevented from being a candidate from presidency? There's not a one who has been presented who has been able to amass anything like the support of the electorate and, as you know, without the votes even a candidate foisted upon the electorate outside of their choice, can not win election. So, who is the person who Trump has denied the presidency?

Come on, enlighten us.
I know I have asked this before but you have yet to tell us this.

How wet are your feet right now? Have your courtiers moved your throne yet?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 04, 2016, 10:20:12 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 10:15:01 AM

Wear the Hillary badge proudly Slumba. You helped make it happen.

Afraid of Trump? Laughable since the Republican Party selected a candidate that is lower on negatives than Hillary?

No, you did by giving RINOs the pass over and over again. You cherry pick stats and rely on old data.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 04, 2016, 10:36:17 AM

Kasich announced he is out. Trump stands alone.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/john-kasich-suspends-presidential-campaign-161615255.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 04, 2016, 10:38:59 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 10:15:01 AM

Quote from: Slumba on May 04, 2016, 09:49:25 AM
If the GOP establishment falls, so what? Nothing of value would be lost. A lot of consultants who give bad advice but always manage to line their own pockets, might be out of work, though.

Nothing to lose?

How about all your rights to own firearms?

How about medical care?

How about extreme leftists court rulings for the next 20+ years?

All because of President Hillary Clinton and her packing the Supreme Court with Kagan and Soltimeyer clones.

Wear the Hillary badge proudly Slumba. You helped make it happen.

Afraid of Trump? Laughable since the Republican Party selected a candidate that is lower on negatives than Hillary?

We already have Sotomayor and Kagan(ovich) in SCOTUS... which all happened while GOP was around.

We had Sandra Day O'Connor (Reagan appointee) who despite understanding that affirmative action was bogus, thought it should still be kept around for another 25 years.

We had John Roberts, Chief Justice, appointed by Bush, who couldn't see through the tissue-thin layer of lies surrounding EbolaCare's obvious illegality.

How many other examples do you want of GOPe failures?

GOP had the House, Senate, and Presidency during part of the 2000s. What did they accomplish during this power-trifecta? Medicare Part D?

Many Americans are tired of constant war and foreign entanglements (just as the first President, George Washington, warned about).

We went into Iraq and it became a heap of manure. Interfered (admittedly on the well-intentioned side) of Ukraine: Ukraine will likely be ground to powder between EU, Russia and USA. And now Libya and Syria and other places are a mess too.

BTW the Clinton money-laundering was going on during the Bush years, but apparently despite the NSA/CIA/DIA and all the money-transfers monitoring of SWIFT, it was 1000% invisible to everyone, despite the CGI press releases. Kind of curious, huh?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 10:40:15 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 04, 2016, 10:17:00 AM

I say Trump by 20 points.

I'll take that bet. Name your stakes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 10:48:13 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 04, 2016, 10:36:17 AM

Kasich announced he is out. Trump stands alone.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/john-kasich-suspends-presidential-campaign-161615255.html

Trump can now unify the party and focus like a laser beam on Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 10:48:25 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 04, 2016, 10:18:42 AM

How wet are your feet right now? Have your courtiers moved your throne yet?

As the expert authority on "blue journalism", what do you think about the story of the picture that showed Cruz's father with Lee Harvey Oswald? It was in the National Inquirer so it must be true; the same source as the Cruz 5 Mistress story which you deemed as absolute fact. Trump quoted it as if it were fact.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 04, 2016, 10:49:15 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 10:40:15 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 04, 2016, 10:17:00 AM
I say Trump by 20 points.

I'll take that bet. Name your stakes.

My guess Shakes your odds are better with the lottery. Can you find a towel to throw?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 04, 2016, 11:23:52 AM

Shock stage: Initial paralysis at hearing the bad news.

Denial stage: Trying to avoid the inevitable.

Anger stage: Frustrated outpouring of bottled-up emotion.

Bargaining stage: Seeking in vain for a way out.

Depression stage: Final realization of the inevitable.

Testing stage*: Seeking realistic solutions.

Acceptance stage: Finally finding the way forward.

Trump will eventually assimilate you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 04, 2016, 11:28:01 AM

Quote from: bagalia on May 04, 2016, 11:23:52 AM

Shock stage: Initial paralysis at hearing the bad news.

Denial stage: Trying to avoid the inevitable.

Anger stage: Frustrated outpouring of bottled-up emotion.

Bargaining stage: Seeking in vain for a way out.

Depression stage: Final realization of the inevitable.

Testing stage*: Seeking realistic solutions.

Acceptance stage: Finally finding the way forward.

Trump will eventually assimilate you.

Yes, eventually Shakes will say, "I was wrong, Trump has been the greatest president since George Washington. He saved the Republic!"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 04, 2016, 12:03:59 PM

Though I agree with most of what Trump might wish to accomplish, I am not a Trumpite. I view myself as a kind of Anarchist. I think we need a little of that to get back on track.

It was quite easy to see that Trump had a clear road to the nomination a month ago. There was a possibility of an upset of course but it was still a good bet. The odds are now pretty high though you never know what darkness lies in the hearts of men.

Perhaps Shakes sees himself in the depression stage now but you really must be outside the circle to see the reality. He is moving from Anger into Bargaining. Everything is mixed up for the poor man.

All along the media and the establishment have been wrong. To endorse Trump has been to alienate yourself. Look at the media over the last month as it has slowly come about to see Trump possibly winning the nomination. Look at how Trump is now gaining endorsements and understand that this will grow quickly now.

Even this week there are stories about how Trump can tie or win against Hillary. As some move from Anger into Bargaining so also the country. With the nomination will come a change in the polls. Once the country moves to the Testing stage there will come more changes.

This has been a unique campaign so far at least in a modern sense and for those still stuck in the establishment ways you may need to adjust to a general election that may be equally unique.

There is a possibility that Trump cannot win the general election but it does not need to be. The next two months will show heavy changes. You can remain behind or move forward. You can be a part of change if you wish or continue to follow the same road as usual.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on May 04, 2016, 12:10:53 PM

It looks as if Kasich is also going to suspend his bid for presidency, he will be giving a news conference in a couple of hours by all accounts.

Nothing concrete yet though..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 12:49:33 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 04, 2016, 12:03:59 PM

Perhaps Shakes sees himself in the depression stage now but you really must be outside the circle to see the reality. He is moving from Anger into Bargaining. Everything is mixed up for the poor man.

No it's not.

I'm clear as a bell.

I cannot in good conscious vote for a man I consider so overwhelmingly UNQUALIFIED to serve as the highest office in our country. I consider Hillary Clinton to be equally unqualified. So my choice is clear. I may vote for the libertarian candidate or may not vote at all in the 2016 Presidential election in November.

It's as simple as that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 04, 2016, 01:17:46 PM

Yes, it is easy to see you are clear as a bell. You may want to take a look at the fine list of Independents running for President. It takes some time to come back to reality but you may get there or just become one of the lost souls.

Trump is a bit wild but he is not exactly the fruitcake some think he is. It is his style to win this election and it is working. This just as Cruz had his style that some thought was stealing the election but was the norm.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 04, 2016, 01:49:36 PM

Shakespear, it seems that the photo was genuine and that the two did know each other. But it is of little import now, its purpose has played out. Why do you keep on admiring your wetted feet?

This is something I don't understand about you and can only explain to myself through the concept of cognitive dissonance. You are not a stupid man but you have consistently been unable to handle data that ran contrary to your desires, even when it was quite clear what was really happening.

From what I have been seeing it seems that a large part of the people of the USA have been in the same condition as you - but you are brighter than almost all of those benighted ones.

From where I sit, it seems to me that the Trump 'problem' could have been dealt with much more effectively had people with your mind set been a little more open to what was actually happening, that Trump was not seeing success because he was a Republican (after all, he is hardly wedded to the party!) but rather as a protest vote against the party and government.

Now, we are seeing the exposition of the process that Bagalia quite correctly has outlined. We can see it even from across the ocean. Problem is that it is now a little too late. Damage has been done.

I am interested to know why it was that Cruz threw in the towel - I am inclined to see it as being a part of the process of reconciliation with loss that Bagalia described. Kasich's decision was a given once Cruz threw in the towel But it seems to me that some very powerful people decided that there was no purpose in Cruz continuing - that there would be no brokered convention. After all, the only reason for Cruz to continue was to enable that outcome. (or perhaps the picture had an effect that was exactly what Trump's team wanted?)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 02:18:33 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 04, 2016, 01:49:36 PM

Shakespear, it seems that the photo was genuine and that the two did know each other. But it is of little import now, its purpose has played out. Why do you keep on admiring your wetted feet?

O M G !

Hey Andrewfi, I got an advance copy that the National Inquirer was going to run tomorrow if Cruz won Indiana.

Seems they were going to claim that they were in possession of a photograph that implicated Ted Cruz in the assassination of Archduke Francis Ferdinand.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 02:30:03 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 04, 2016, 01:17:46 PM

Trump is a bit wild but he is not exactly the fruitcake some think he is.

Everyone should ask themselves this simple question.

With his temperament, are you comfortable with him having final access to the nuclear launch codes?

My answer was a resounding "NO"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 04, 2016, 03:26:49 PM

If Trump is able to get this accomplished in the first year he will have made great progress.

‘President Trump?’ Here’s How He Says It Would Look

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/us/politics/donald-trump-president.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 04, 2016, 03:31:08 PM

And so it begins.

Ted Cruz's $10 million donor backs Donald Trump

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/05/04/ted-cruz-donor-toby-neugebauer-backs-donald-trump/83937626/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 03:48:50 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 04, 2016, 03:31:08 PM

And so it begins.

Ted Cruz's $10 million donor backs Donald Trump

And ends . . . . . . . . .

The two biggest Republican backers, Club for Growth and Freedom Partners (Koch Brothers) have said they're not putting any money into the Presidential race in November; rather they're concentrating on Senate and House races.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 04:35:55 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 03:48:50 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 04, 2016, 03:31:08 PM
And so it begins.

Ted Cruz's $10 million donor backs Donald Trump

And ends . . . . . . . . .

The two biggest Republican backers, Club for Growth and Freedom Partners (Koch Brothers) have said they're not putting any money into the Presidential race in November; rather they're concentrating on Senate and House races.

I have no problem with that. Quite frankly I think Trump is so adroit at getting publicity on the cheap that he can beat Hillary without much money.

It will be very interesting to see if the rumor that Trump likes Kasich as a VP pick is true...and if Kasich would consider accepting the offer. Personally I like Marco Rubio much better.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 04, 2016, 05:06:42 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 12:49:33 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 04, 2016, 12:03:59 PM
Perhaps Shakes sees himself in the depression stage now but you really must be outside the circle to see the reality. He is moving from Anger into Bargaining. Everything is mixed up for the poor man.

No it's not.

I'm clear as a bell.

I cannot in good conscious vote for a man I consider so overwhelmingly UNQUALIFIED to serve as the highest office in our country. I consider Hillary Clinton to be equally unqualified. So my choice is clear. I may vote for the libertarian candidate or may not vote at all in the 2016 Presidential election in November.

It's as simple as that.

Oh well the baby is tossed out with the bath water!

Tell me this if you look back at the qualifications of R. Reagan, were they any better?

I have stated up thread my opinions of D. Trump, but I prefer him to a serial carpet munching politician.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 04, 2016, 06:36:13 PM

Rush Limbaugh, My Gut: Trump beats Hillary in a Landslide
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/05/04/my_gut_trump_beats_hillary_in_landslide

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/TrumpTsunami-Hillary-Bill-C_zpsr89agbwc.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 07:29:03 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 04, 2016, 06:36:13 PM

Rush Limbaugh, My Gut: Trump beats Hillary in a Landslide
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/05/04/my_gut_trump_beats_hillary_in_landslide

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/TrumpTsunami-Hillary-Bill-C_zpsr89agbwc.jpg)

Rush does a pretty good analysis here, and it's why Hillary is going to LOSE and why Shakespeare is wrong about Hillary's prospects for winning.

excerpt

"They think that Hillary can go ahead and lose these states, lose every state. She's losing more than she wins. If you follow the news, it's clear Bernie Sanders is winning (it seems like) every primary the past month. And accompanying every Bernie Sanders victory story is the fact that he won nothing, that Hillary gets the delegates. So there's just as many -- or proportionally just as many -- agitated Democrats. You add up people supporting Bernie Sanders to people supporting Donald Trump, and the people that supported Ted Cruz.

You add up those voters -- and if they all vote, too, Hillary Clinton doesn't have a prayer. I don't care about the Electoral College. I don't care about anything else. Just like in terms of the people that are fed up with Washington and the establishment, as we sit here today, she is the lone candidate representing what obviously so many Americans, Republicans and Democrats for their own reasons right now happen to despise. She's losing the vote in every state, and yet the Democrats expect her to triumph. Where is her momentum?

How in the world does Hillary go from losing after losing after losing to becoming a triumphant victor at the Democrat convention when she didn't win diddly-squat except superdelegates in the Democrat Party? And I guarantee you, the AP and the media and the Democrat Party, they're not factoring all of this in because they're sitting there saying, "We're the Democrats! We're invincible. We own the media. We don't lose." They don't have... They haven't figured out yet that the media wants Donald Trump to be elected president".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 04, 2016, 08:05:05 PM

Lets deal with cold hard money Facts here - Obama spent over $1 Billion to beat Romney in 2012 - so now is not the time to try and win the General Election with increasingly hostile to Trump and pro Hitlery socialist Media on the cheap - every dollar is a Soldier and we need to unleash a mega powerful and focused Army because the Hitlery-Obambastics will go for the GOP's throats. They will go full on Deep State Globalist Ruthless now and we have to attack them with an even more brutal vicious and ruthless offense.

Time to pull out all the Stops and funnel all GOP Mega Donor and PAC funds into the GOP Strategic attack campaign coffers in support of Mr. Trump for POTUS and to support loyal pro Trump Pro America Congressmen and Senators that will back Trump Make America Great Again Initiatives. See https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

All Anti American Traitors must now be VANQUISHED - No Mercy and NO Quarter Given.

It gets REAL here and is now VICTORY or DEATH for the America we all know and love.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 04, 2016, 08:10:33 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/05/04/upshot/electoral-map-trump-clinton.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 08:11:58 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 04, 2016, 08:05:05 PM

Lets deal with cold hard money Facts here - Obama spent over $1 Billion to beat Romney in 2012 - so now is not the time to try and win the General Election with increasingly hostile to Trump and pro Hitlery socialist Media on the cheap - every dollar is a Soldier and we need to unleash a mega powerful and focused Army because the Hitlery-Obambastics will go for the GOP's throats. They will go full on Deep State Globalist Ruthless now and we have to attack them with an even more brutal vicious and ruthless offense.

Time to pull out all the Stops and funnel all GOP Mega Donor and PAC funds into the GOP Strategic attack campaign coffers in support of Mr. Trump for POTUS and to support loyal pro Trump Pro America Congressmen and Senators that will back Trump Make America Great Again Initiatives. See https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

All Anti American Traitors must now be VANQUISHED - No Mercy and NO Quarter Given.

It gets REAL here and is now VICTORY or DEATH for the America we all know and love.

"No Mercy and NO Quarter Given"??? What are you going to do to our dear Shakespeare, send him to Mexico also? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 08:16:20 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 04, 2016, 08:10:33 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/05/04/upshot/electoral-map-trump-clinton.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

The New York Times is now a radical left-wing rag owned by Mexican Billionaire Carlos Slim. Do you really think that they are capable of writing anything truly objective?

Furthermore, as I've said all along, POLLS don't matter until September, October and November.

Although when you're desperate for validation, you'll look for it anywhere, right Tom? :ROFL:

http://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2015/06/01/carlos-slim-the-new-york-times-sugar-daddy-n2005713

quote

"Back in 2004—before the Times became Slim’s pimp—a Times article stated: “Clearly . . . the nation’s southern border is under siege.”2 But that was before Carlos Slim saved the Times from bankruptcy. Ten years later, with a border crisis even worse than in 2004, and Latin Americans pouring across the border, the Times indignantly demanded that Obama “go big” on immigration and give “millions of immigrants permission to stay.” What a difference one thieving Mexican billionaire makes!"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 04, 2016, 09:00:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 02:30:03 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 04, 2016, 01:17:46 PM
Trump is a bit wild but he is not exactly the fruitcake some think he is.

Everyone should ask themselves this simple question.

With his temperament, are you comfortable with him having final access to the nuclear launch codes?

My answer was a resounding "NO"

I would say that you give the president way too much power. You do not just get pissy and throw the football.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 09:02:34 PM

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/278778-trump-expresses-openness-to-raising-minimum-wage

First day as "the candidate" and he moves left not right.

Doesn't sound much like a Republican to me.

Boy did you guys get sold a bill of goods.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 04, 2016, 09:06:34 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 08:16:20 PM

Furthermore, as I've said all along...

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 09:13:28 AM

Trump is not only going to beat Hillary, it's going to be one of the greatest landslides ever.

Quote from: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 12:14:41 AM

It's going to be a very tight race. Possibly another situation like we had with Gore versus Bush Jr.

Mood swings?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 09:11:10 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 04, 2016, 09:06:34 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 08:16:20 PM
Furthermore, as I've said all along...

Quote from: Anteros on March 09, 2016, 09:13:28 AM
Trump is not only going to beat Hillary, it's going to be one of the greatest landslides ever.

Quote from: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 12:14:41 AM
It's going to be a very tight race. Possibly another situation like we had with Gore versus Bush Jr.

Mood swings?

Not really. I just like getting you worked up. :laugh:

Of course I hope it will be a landslide in favor of Trump. Realistically it might be a tight race. But then again... :king:

PS... Hillary has announced her running mate -- Bozo the clown.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 09:19:17 PM

With Bernie soaring and Hillary tanking, maybe Obama is getting ready to throw Hillary "screech" Benghazi Clinton from the bus. :chuckle:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/federal-judge-opens-the-door-to-clinton-deposition-in-email-case/ar-BBsEigN?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=iehp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 09:53:48 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 04, 2016, 05:06:42 PM

Tell me this if you look back at the qualifications of R. Reagan, were they any better?

Let's see. . . . . . . .

A sucessful two-term governor of California . . . . .

Yes, MUCH more qualified than Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 10:28:19 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 09:53:48 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 04, 2016, 05:06:42 PM
Tell me this if you look back at the qualifications of R. Reagan, were they any better?

Let's see. . . . . . . .

A sucessful two-term governor of California . . . . .

Yes, MUCH more qualified than Trump.

Trump is a better actor! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 05, 2016, 08:45:25 AM

^ A sphincter portraying a sphincter is not acting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 05, 2016, 08:49:22 AM

Quote from: TomT on May 05, 2016, 08:45:25 AM

^ A sphincter portraying a sphincter is not acting.

Are you describing Trump or several members on this site?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 05, 2016, 09:05:35 AM

^ Since you mention it....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on May 05, 2016, 10:00:46 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 09:02:34 PM

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/278778-trump-expresses-openness-to-raising-minimum-wage

First day as "the candidate" and he moves left not right.

Doesn't sound much like a Republican to me.

Boy did you guys get sold a bill of goods.

I look at video and listen to all of it. If I were a minimum wage worker I would not be counting on a wage increase from a Trump presidency. Yes he has policies that he will support that are not part of the conservative message. He is more concern about what might work than whose platform he is following.

In the end you have to know this is what the voters wanted. In Indiana almost all the commercial time before the primary was anti Trump ads. The governor of the state was against him. The press was against him. Trump spent very little on his campaign and won. You are out of touch with what republicans are looking for in a president. There is very little about Trump that is a secrete. So it is not like anybody has been missed lead.

The next eight years are not likely to be pleasant. Under bush our debt when from 5 trillion to ten trillion. Under Obama it went from 10 trillion to twenty trillion. I totally believe something will break before it reaches 40 trillion which is what would happen if we elected and normal republican or democrat. I really don't think that these next eight years are going to be pretty but I believe it would be worse with the party norms.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 05, 2016, 10:53:52 AM

So, What's The Story Behind Trump's 'Surprise'?

I have been thinking about this Trump thing and how it has been that some folks have simply not been able to understand what was going on in front of their faces. I don't just mean the ordinary voters, but pundits, analysts and other politicians. Here, I will make an aside and not that it is quite likely that many, perhaps most of these groups were fully aware of what was happening but their assigned task was to convince the main in the street that Trump was not as significant as he has been and will be.

I was looking at the process by which a person gets to be president of The Free World. Setting aside the truth that it probably does not make much difference to the man in the street who becomes the president, it is certainly true that various power blocs DO have a keen interest in who gets to be THEIR representative.

To that end it is necessary to convince a significant minority (not necessarily a majority) of the population that the representative of a chosen bloc should gain the needed votes.

What Are The Primaries All About?
It seems to me that the strategic purpose of the charade that is the primary elections is to give the various candidates an opportunity to build a brand among the electorate. After all, almost all the runners and riders for president are unknown to most Americans at the start of the contest. The primaries give each prospective candidate an opportunity to build a connection with the public, to get their faces known and to transmit a chosen and groomed persona that is hoped will resonate with the relatively uneducated and unsophisticated proles who are expected to make a choice.

We have had, on this forum, a bloke telling us that Trump was going to fail, that he'd get nowhere and, in terms of the actions taken to dislodge Trumps progress he had a reasonably expected point. If I were to look at the machinations against him y the Republican party and by the representatives of the various power blocs, to which Trump does not (at this time) seem to belong then I'd say, 'Yes, Trump has no chance'.

However, what many, probably most people forgot, or disregarded was what the primaries are all about - building the brand.
Trump came into the contest with a HUGE advantage: like him or loathe him there's 300,000,000 Americans who knew his name, knew what he looked like and were familiar with his chosen and carefully developed public persona.

No other candidate came close apart from Hillary Clinton! Truth be told, her public profile is almost certainly why she is the preferred candidate in the Democratic party.

Which Other Candidate Could Equal Trump's Visibility?
More than that his personal brand is one of the strongest in the United States, and even globally.
If he wants to move some steaks - all he need do is put his name and a photo on the box and a few commercials.
If he wants to get cars for free - all he need do is talk to a nice man at General Motors.
It does not matter that not every project does as well as its promoters hope because every new project build the brand incrementally.

The nearest we have had to Trump is Reagan, a man who similarly was blessed with a public persona and the skill to mobilize his name and visage toward his chosen goals, but Trump is way, way more powerful and accomplished.

Some folks have wondered why it is that he can say stuff that appears crass or ill-informed without suffering any loss in momentum. Well, that's his brand working for him. All he's done is behaved as people expected him to do. But, here's the thing, Trump is a very, very sharp operator and he works with very, very sharp people. His public persona is a mask, it is not the man - although I am sure that the man wears the mask more comfortably than many others do their own.
He is excused for what critics see as shortcomings because to 300,000,000 Americans he is a human and, oddly enough, one they trust and respect - even many who do not like his persona. That's because he has been consistent for 30 odd years. He has grown up with the electorate, they have seen his wives and envied him for his 'catches' I am sure that many women would give their eye teeth for the chance to have him divorce them!

The Battle Of The Brands
So, what we have right now is a battle of the brands. Clinton understand this and it is why she is now turning toward Trump rather than concentrating upon Sanders (although that may come back to haunt her as an error of judgement) Sanders has done an extremely good job of branding himself and his message resonate with probably 70% of the electorate, even if most will not vote for him.

As we move forward, and assuming that Clinton gets the nod as Democratic candidate we are going to see brands battle it out. It will not be about politics but about how we perceive the candidates. Trump is already doing well here. He has already removed the 'Hilary as woman' card from the game. Henceforth it will not be a winning move for Clinton to mention gender in respect of her candidacy. Trump was EXACTLY right when he said that without her gender she had nothing and so removing her ability to use it was a masterstroke.

Now that Trump has forced the Republican party to fall in behind him he needs to pay attention to a stab in the back, but he is no fool and, I am sure has that under control.

My guess is that Trump will go to town with Hillary, he will remind us of her dishonesty, her lack of skill, her poor health and he will, I expect, win the general election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 05, 2016, 04:06:14 PM

Curious to what the diehard conservatives think about this?

ELECTION 2016

Ben Carson Says Donald Trump Could Consider Democrat for Running Mate

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ben-carson-says-donald-trump-could-consider-democrat-for-running-mate-1462483601

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 05, 2016, 08:09:34 PM

We will see many big names throwing support for Trump.

Sheldon Adelson Says He Will Support Donald Trump

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/05/05/sheldon-adelson-says-he-will-support-donald-trump/?_r=0

First on CNN: Rick Perry endorses Donald Trump for president

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/05/politics/rick-perry-endorses-donald-trump/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steamer on May 05, 2016, 08:48:21 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 05, 2016, 04:06:14 PM

Curious to what the diehard conservatives think about this?

ELECTION 2016

Ben Carson Says Donald Trump Could Consider Democrat for Running Mate

Now wouldn't that be clever!
You'd hear the howls and screams all across this country.

Abraham Lincoln pulled a similar move when he made Andrew Johnson his VP.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on May 05, 2016, 09:54:52 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 05, 2016, 10:53:52 AM

So, What's The Story Behind Trump's 'Surprise'?

I have been thinking about this Trump thing and how it has been that some folks have simply not been able to understand what was going on in front of their faces. I don't just mean the ordinary voters, but pundits, analysts and other politicians. Here, I will make an aside and not that it is quite likely that many, perhaps most of these groups were fully aware of what was happening but their assigned task was to convince the main in the street that Trump was not as significant as he has been and will be.

I was looking at the process by which a person gets to be president of The Free World. Setting aside the truth that it probably does not make much difference to the man in the street who becomes the president, it is certainly true that various power blocs DO have a keen interest in who gets to be THEIR representative.

To that end it is necessary to convince a significant minority (not necessarily a majority) of the population that the representative of a chosen bloc should gain the needed votes.

What Are The Primaries All About?
It seems to me that the strategic purpose of the charade that is the primary elections is to give the various candidates an opportunity to build a brand among the electorate. After all, almost all the runners and riders for president are unknown to most Americans at the start of the contest. The primaries give each prospective candidate an opportunity to build a connection with the public, to get their faces known and to transmit a chosen and groomed persona that is hoped will resonate with the relatively uneducated and unsophisticated proles who are expected to make a choice.

We have had, on this forum, a bloke telling us that Trump was going to fail, that he'd get nowhere and, in terms of the actions taken to dislodge Trumps progress he had a reasonably expected point. If I were to look at the machinations against him y the Republican party and by the representatives of the various power blocs, to which Trump does not (at this time) seem to belong then I'd say, 'Yes, Trump has no chance'.

However, what many, probably most people forgot, or disregarded was what the primaries are all about - building the brand.
Trump came into the contest with a HUGE advantage: like him or loathe him there's 300,000,000 Americans who knew his name, knew what he looked like and were familiar with his chosen and carefully developed public persona.

No other candidate came close apart from Hillary Clinton! Truth be told, her public profile is almost certainly why she is the preferred candidate in the Democratic party.

Which Other Candidate Could Equal Trump's Visibility?
More than that his personal brand is one of the strongest in the United States, and even globally.
If he wants to move some steaks - all he need do is put his name and a photo on the box and a few commercials.
If he wants to get cars for free - all he need do is talk to a nice man at General Motors.
It does not matter that not every project does as well as its promoters hope because every new project build the brand incrementally.

The nearest we have had to Trump is Reagan, a man who similarly was blessed with a public persona and the skill to mobilize his name and visage toward his chosen goals, but Trump is way, way more powerful and accomplished.

Some folks have wondered why it is that he can say stuff that appears crass or ill-informed without suffering any loss in momentum. Well, that's his brand working for him. All he's done is behaved as people expected him to do. But, here's the thing, Trump is a very, very sharp operator and he works with very, very sharp people. His public persona is a mask, it is not the man - although I am sure that the man wears the mask more comfortably than many others do their own.
He is excused for what critics see as shortcomings because to 300,000,000 Americans he is a human and, oddly enough, one they trust and respect - even many who do not like his persona. That's because he has been consistent for 30 odd years. He has grown up with the electorate, they have seen his wives and envied him for his 'catches' I am sure that many women would give their eye teeth for the chance to have him divorce them!

The Battle Of The Brands
So, what we have right now is a battle of the brands. Clinton understand this and it is why she is now turning toward Trump rather than concentrating upon Sanders (although that may come back to haunt her as an error of judgement) Sanders has done an extremely good job of branding himself and his message resonate with probably 70% of the electorate, even if most will not vote for him.

As we move forward, and assuming that Clinton gets the nod as Democratic candidate we are going to see brands battle it out. It will not be about politics but about how we perceive the candidates. Trump is already doing well here. He has already removed the 'Hilary as woman' card from the game. Henceforth it will not be a winning move for Clinton to mention gender in respect of her candidacy. Trump was EXACTLY right when he said that without her gender she had nothing and so removing her ability to use it was a masterstroke.

Now that Trump has forced the Republican party to fall in behind him he needs to pay attention to a stab in the back, but he is no fool and, I am sure has that under control.

My guess is that Trump will go to town with Hillary, he will remind us of her dishonesty, her lack of skill, her poor health and he will, I expect, win the general election.

There is a lot of luck with all of this. Donald had run before. He got no where. This time something different happened. He started to make all kinds of comments about immigration and saying stuff everyone else was afraid to say but much of the population had deep concerns about. Then he made a comments that among the illegal immigrates there are a number of thieves, drug dealers and murders. The press got up in arms and there was a lot of up set people. Mexican TV was all over him as a racists. Less than a week later in California a middle class woman walking with her husband was shot to death for no reason at all. Not even a robbery just a stupid thing. The killer was an illegal immigrate who had been deported several times after committing several other crimes in the US. It made the press, Mexican TV and the other against Trump look silly. After this piece of luck people began to listen to Donald. When he made silly missteps from then on it was like it did not matter. I know of no other candidate for US president who would of been able to get away with his level of political incorrectness and still be able to run.

Their was a skill he had also that we have never seen before in the USA. Donald knows how to say something outrageous to make the news everyday. How to push the limits and still keep people want to elect him president. Every week nearly everyone I knew expected this would all be over next week. He did not need to buy much air time because he was the news. For a while, he was so much in the news none of the other candidates could get any air time except if they were talking about how much they hated Donald Trump.

What has really made this electron cycle strange is, Donald was well know in USA for many years but he was never well liked. He was always thought as arrogant bully. He was the mean guy that would put the little old widows out of their homes so he could put up other high rises and go from rich to richer. It just so happens many of the people of the USA are tired of getting the short end of trade deals. So it has become popular to think maybe we would do better with a mean guy to handle our trade deals rather than a great baby kisser. I have never seen this type of thinking in the USA before.

You are right on your comments on branding but more than just branding. Jeb Bush was also very well known and on this presidential cycle could not get off the ground. I believe that no reality TV show has ever come close to the excitement we will see this fall when Trump and most likely Clinton go at it. If it was a movie no one would like it because it would be too unbelievable that any of this could really happen.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 05, 2016, 10:04:20 PM

The comments of Texan and Andy are certainly one facet of the Donald story and both have a valid point.

It is worth noting that other wealthy individuals have tried to become President, with rather dismal results. R. Perrot and S. Forbes (not a Mass. Forbes) ran for President, they had marginal success. I have read that Perrot contributed to the defeat of the Republican nominee.

Today went with another dealer to view an auction and he pondered would Bernie make a good VP running mate for Donald. I also wondered if that is conceivable.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 05, 2016, 10:58:49 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 05, 2016, 08:45:25 AM

^ A sphincter portraying a sphincter is not acting.

It takes a sphincter to know a sphincter. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 05, 2016, 11:18:52 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 05, 2016, 08:45:25 AM

^ A sphincter portraying a sphincter is not acting.

You remind me of the poem by Stephen Crane, who wrote The Red Badge of Courage:

In the desert
I saw a creature, naked, bestial,
Who, squatting upon the ground,
Held his heart in his hands,
And ate of it.
I said, “Is it good, friend?”
“It is bitter—bitter,” he answered;

“But I like it
“Because it is bitter,
“And because it is my heart.”

keep chewing on your bitterness.

What have you done, that you feel elevates you above Trump?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 05, 2016, 11:20:16 PM

Quote from: TomT on August 10, 2015, 07:27:15 PM

If Trump gets elected, I will move to Costa Rica... and Rush Limbaugh can come home.

You read it here folks, Tom is moving to Costa Rica!! Yaaay!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 05, 2016, 11:34:01 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on May 05, 2016, 10:00:46 AM

The next eight years are not likely to be pleasant. Under bush our debt when from 5 trillion to ten trillion. Under Obama it went from 10 trillion to twenty trillion. I totally believe something will break before it reaches 40 trillion which is what would happen if we elected and normal republican or democrat. I really don't think that these next eight years are going to be pretty but I believe it would be worse with the party norms.

And what will happen to the economy if the money injection is stopped? Ask Andrew he's the economist. What would the Obama economy be like if not for the 10 trillion of borrowed money injected into it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 06, 2016, 04:28:37 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 05, 2016, 11:34:01 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on May 05, 2016, 10:00:46 AM
The next eight years are not likely to be pleasant. Under bush our debt when from 5 trillion to ten trillion. Under Obama it went from 10 trillion to twenty trillion. I totally believe something will break before it reaches 40 trillion which is what would happen if we elected and normal republican or democrat. I really don't think that these next eight years are going to be pretty but I believe it would be worse with the party norms.

And what will happen to the economy if the money injection is stopped? Ask Andrew he's the economist. What would the Obama economy be like if not for the 10 trillion of borrowed money injected into it?

A helluva a lot better, if Obama had been capable of not spending money we don't have!!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 06, 2016, 04:58:07 AM

It wasn't about money - although funding a campaign is also about building the brand. It is also a distraction. By using his own money as he has done, Trump is neither beholden to the people, both legal and real, who provide that support nor is he distracted by the need to concentrate upon getting that money.

I don't think that many of those who voted for Trump LIKE him. he isn't likable in his public persona.

His previous effort was a brand building exercise and was not designed to get him to the presidency, it was to make selling steaks easier and more profitable. Trump's brand value has increased hugely in the past 15 years, in no small part due to his Apprentice show. In addition, on this occasion, he has leveraged the brand value of the Republican party and its natural base of support. Had he started as an independent or outside the two party system he'd be nowhere.

One can see similarities between Trump's run for president and Tony Blair's strategy in the UK. Blair was not a committed socialist, indeed his background and core values would suggest that he was more likely a conservative. What Blair did though was to make a choice to become Prime Minister of the UK. All other steps were merely stepping stones on the way to that goal. So, he chose the Labour Party because they had been out of power for a long time and had very few bright sparks among their potential leaders. Because there is an inevitability to leadership in the UK is was likely that the tide would turn against the Conservatives and thus condemn a would be Tory leader to the sidelines for most of his career; that drove the choice of the Labour party as his vehicle. Trump would not have been likely to be able to over turn the position of Clinton had he chosen to declare as a Democratic candidate and, also, the electoral tide was likely to turn against Democrats. it is the Republican party's 'turn' to be president.

As for policy, like Blair before him, he simply read some newspapers!
The platform upon which he stands, if one can call it a platform, is one chosen, as Blair's was, to reflect the insecurities and fears of a large part of the electorate. These are unlike to be fixed in stone - just as they were not for Blair's Labour party. Although, truth be told, Trump does have a history of supporting at least some of the planks of his platform, particularly in respect of trade and the place of the US in the world.

Trump has, therefore, chosen the Republicans because they were likely to be successful in a general election and because they had a weaker field of potential candidates and his policies because they appeal to a large mass of people. These are marketing choices are are a reflection of the branding of the candidate for president.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 06, 2016, 06:17:12 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 06, 2016, 04:58:07 AM

It wasn't about money

Sorry Andrew in America (unfortunately) it is always about the money. In who's pocket it flows is the more important question.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 06, 2016, 06:50:44 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 05, 2016, 11:20:16 PM

Quote from: TomT on August 10, 2015, 07:27:15 PM
If Trump gets elected, I will move to Costa Rica... and Rush Limbaugh can come home.

You read it here folks, Tom is moving to Costa Rica!! Yaaay!!

The humor in my comment is that Limbaugh stated that he would move to Costa Rica if Obama was elected... but never did so. In any event, Costa Rica has internet service so, if I move there, I will still be available to explain jokes to you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 06, 2016, 07:14:12 AM

As I posted upthread, I believe that Trump will have to carry Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and either Colorado, Nevada and Iowa to prevail. If Trump loses North Carolina, he will need all the rest of the gray states in the electoral map below. The latest addition to the RCP average for North Carolina (Civitas) shows considerable movement. Of course, a few of our astute members don't hold stock in polls... unless their boy is ahead.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 06, 2016, 08:08:54 AM

Quote from: TomT on May 06, 2016, 06:50:44 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 05, 2016, 11:20:16 PM
Quote from: TomT on August 10, 2015, 07:27:15 PM
If Trump gets elected, I will move to Costa Rica... and Rush Limbaugh can come home.

You read it here folks, Tom is moving to Costa Rica!! Yaaay!!

The humor in my comment is that Limbaugh stated that he would move to Costa Rica if Obama was elected... but never did so. In any event, Costa Rica has internet service so, if I move there, I will still be available to explain jokes to you.

Since you have to work that hard at it, I recommend you don't give up your day job. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 06, 2016, 08:10:35 AM

Quote from: TomT on May 06, 2016, 07:14:12 AM

As I posted upthread, I believe that Trump will have to carry Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and either Colorado, Nevada and Iowa to prevail. If Trump loses North Carolina, he will need all the rest of the gray states in the electoral map below. The latest addition to the RCP average for North Carolina (Civitas) shows considerable movement. Of course, a few of our astute members don't hold stock in polls... unless their boy is ahead.

No, unless the polls are in September, October and November. That's now the 3rd time I've written that. You being so "astute" and all, I thought you would have picked up on that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 06, 2016, 08:16:01 AM

Both former President Bush Sr and Jr refuse to endorse Trump

Speaker of the House Ryan refuses to endorse Trump

Then there was the Trump interview with Brent Baird from Fox News where his answers to softball questions were unintelligible, evasive, or showed that he didn't understand the subject matter.

I fear this Trump disaster is going to appear sooner rather than later. Congratulations all you "Trumpsters" for making sure Hillary Clinton is our next President.

It is not up to the voter to unite behind a candidate. It is up to the candidate to unite the party by convincing the voters that he will do his best to represents their conservative values. Trump is such a compulsive liar that a logical person cannot believe anything he says.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 06, 2016, 08:21:56 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 06, 2016, 08:16:01 AM

Both former President Bush Sr and Jr refuse to endorse Trump

Speaker of the House Ryan refuses to endorse Trump

In all honesty NOT having the backing of these 3 will help him. The USA does not trust George Bush Jr. and they never really united behind Bush Sr. as evidenced by his loss to Clinton.

Paul Ryan says we should approve visas for 300,000 more Muslims. Most Americans vehemently disagree.

People like Trump because he is not part of double-talking and ineffective "establishment".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 06, 2016, 10:08:11 AM

How do we get out of this with the least damage to our country?

1. Hillary Clinton gets indicted.

2. Democrats nominate Joe Biden to take her place on the ballot.

3. Biden kills Trump in November even worse that Clinton would have done.

4. Biden stays for one term.

5. Republicans try again in 2020. "Trumpsters" wouldn't be stupid enough to want Trump again after he gets his ass kicked in November would they? Perhaps.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 06, 2016, 10:48:18 AM

Being a house of cards fan I cannot help but wonder what is going on in the backrooms of DC.

We have Supreme leader Priebus Reince looking as if he is pulling in the wagons behind Trump which gives him and the party some space with the general population for the time being, perhaps more of a wall for himself at least.

At the same time you know the party is still looking for any way they can get rid of Trump. The other candidates still hold delegates in reserve so they believe in some last minute rescue. Ryan, a possible white knight is withholding his support maybe because he cannot jump in at the last minute or support another if he supports Trump now. Perhaps he knows something? As sure as money in the pocket it is the dream of all politicians to be president. The rules committee has not yet set new rules that will possibly undercut Trump in some way. Finally, perhaps everyone is hoping that Trumps vote will drop off now that he is all alone out there not to mention that all attention is now focused entirely on him to show how wrong he would be as the nominee.

Perhaps it is just my paranoia but you know a lot of powerful people are just going crazy and not lying down yet. Anyway, the dance is not over regardless of numbers until California votes and the fat committee sings. I believe Trump wins anyway.

As for the Democrats, while I could easily envision a Hillary prosecution and Bernie or Biden substitution, I Cannot see Biden as strong enough to pull it off. I think Bernie would be a much stronger candidate against Trump.

One thing we can be assured of is that the media loves all options.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 06, 2016, 11:36:43 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 06, 2016, 08:16:01 AM

Both former President Bush Sr and Jr refuse to endorse Trump

Because he wont further their investments in arms companies by starting more wars. No shock there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 06, 2016, 11:45:16 AM

His Excellency Thor God Trump does not need endorsements from treasonous Neocon Probama Cuckoldedservatives a.k.a. Cuckservatives or CUCKS for short meaning RINOS who vote for all Clinton-Obama initiatives like a $2.3 Trillion 2016 Omnibus budget that raised the Federal Debt by an additional $1 Trillion in just the past 6 Months without any vasoline they just take it.

Both the Bushes and Clintons prostrated themselves for $10 Billion+ in funding the from the Saudi Royals (Obama recently went to mend fences after the Iran deal to kiss their Royal asses and ensure his $20 Billion for the OUI Obama Universal Initiative Foundation) while the Saudis were funding ISIS Sunnis to behead Christians and while funding the killing of American special forces fighting for Western Christianity in the Levant. Bushes used old blue-blood discretion and funneled the funds via Blackstone and Carlisle groups that they discreetly sat on the boards of and held profitable equity positions in - the Trailer Trash Clintons had to have their bling arsed names in lights with the CGI Clinton Global Initiative "foundation" bribery and influence peddling conflict of interest fund. Of course Brotha Gangsta straight pimpin Obama has to do the trailer trashers one better by being "Universal" OUI.

Paul Ryan agreeing to 300,000 ISIS Syrian anti-American anti-Christian islamo migrants masked behind crying women and children is not only treason but cultural Suicide.

Ryan has only angered his Patriots TEA base who loved Pastor Cruz and is going to be voted out when he tries to undermine the only true Patriot running being Mr. Trump.

As for the retired military officers disrespecting Mr. Trump publicly this is what happens after 20+ Years of Clinton Bush Obama don't ask don't tell that has culminated in pro LGBTQ Pro Trannie pro deviant depraved degenrates passing diabolical cultural family destroying laws and ordinaces nationwide.

Now the so called fiscal conservative RINO Cuck Ryan is up to more no good tricks:

Ron Paul shows why Paul Ryan is a true globalist Rat-Cuck - hint - Mr. Trump is not if favor of these mega bailouts of territories and Cities as the money just disappears and does not go into productive infrastructure and just supports bloated Government Dem-Rino-Cuck Jobs and Pensions.

Dear Cufflinks,

In the fantasy-world known as Washington, D.C., there’s always a hard-working American citizen to stick with the bill for the failures of out-of-control government officials.

So with time running out before the U.S. House votes on a new scheme to bail out tax-and-spend government officials in Puerto Rico, I have to ask...

Cufflinks, are you ready to be House Speaker Paul Ryan’s stooge?

Are you ready to foot the bill for Puerto Rico’s government officials who’ve racked up BILLIONS in debts they can no longer pay?

I hope the answer is a resounding, “NOOOO!”

The truth is, the stakes couldn’t be higher in this fight.

If you and I don’t stop this bailout scheme, I can virtually guarantee that Puerto Rico will only be the beginning.

It’s only a matter of time until cash-strapped municipalities like Chicago -- and states like California, Illinois, and New Jersey -- start showing up to Washington, D.C. with their hands outstretched.

That’s why I’m counting on you to please sign your special NO BAILOUTS petitions to House Speaker Paul Ryan and your U.S. Representative right away.

You see, for decades, tax-and-spenders who have gained power throughout the country have turned the cities and states they’ve ruled into little more than political playpens.

*** They’ve taxed their citizens into oblivion -- with many ultimately choosing to leave for greener pastures.

*** They’ve pushed ever-growing cushy entitlement spending programs.

*** They’ve signed off on ridiculous union contracts and padded government payrolls to create more voters dependent on their spending.

*** They’ve handed out bloated pensions to political backers like Halloween candy.

Then, when their economic chickens come home to roost -- and bills can’t be met -- they’re now looking to you and me to bail them out?

Cufflinks, this is effectively what’s happening in Puerto Rico.

As you may have heard, on May 2, Puerto Rico’s Governor chose to default on $422 million in debt payments instead of cutting back on government payments and services.

And on July 1, Puerto Rico is facing $2 billion in new debt payments on top of the whopping $73 BILLION they owe.

Yet, with a brand-new BIGGER deadline looming, his message to Congress is, "I'm keeping the spending spigots open no matter what... You guys have the American taxpayers bail me out.”

How did Puerto Rico get into this mess?

The same way localities and states ruled by tax-and-spenders have all over the country.

Spending has been out of control for years.

Government is by far the biggest employer in the territory.

Less than half of Puerto Rico’s citizens are employed or even looking for a job -- a situation which suits the politicians and bureaucrats, who owe their power to Puerto Rico’s ever growing social welfare programs, just fine.

Taxes and a stifled economy have sent 440,000 of its people packing over the past decade.

A sky-high minimum wage continues to make it difficult for business owners to invest in new hires.

Any right-thinking person’s solution to all of these problems would be simple.

How about, “STOP THE MADNESS!”

But to the Washington, D.C. elites in BOTH parties, bad government policies and politicians can never be to blame.

Instead, they’re worried about things like “international prestige.”

After all, think of the “embarrassment” it would be for a U.S. territory to go bankrupt – or have to cut back on spending!

So for weeks now, House Speaker Paul Ryan has been beating the bushes to drum up support for his Puerto Rico Bailout -- even claiming it’s just simply “debt restructuring!”

But Ryan’s “debt restructuring” plan would allow the Puerto Rican Government to keep spending, guaranteeing another, larger crisis down the road.

Meaning this year’s bailout will be the first of many!

Thankfully, many of the most liberty-minded House Republicans aren’t buying it.

After all, in order for any scheme to keep Puerto Rico’s creditors at bay to work, American tax dollars will ultimately have to be put on the line.

But Speaker Ryan knows there’s another path at his disposal... A path that ultimately DESTROYED John Boehner’s Speakership.

That’s cozying up to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, sprinkling the Puerto Rico Bailout bill with any goodies she wants, and RAMMING it through the U.S. House using primarily Democrat votes.

Cufflinks, you and I can’t let this happen.

There’s too much at stake.

The good news is, the American people have barely begun to weigh in on this looming DISASTER.

So if you and I can make enough House members feel the heat, along with Speaker Ryan, I believe we can stop it.

But I’m counting on your immediate action.

With your help, Campaign for Liberty is ready to flood Congress with petitions just like the ones I’ve made up for you.

Of course, if you and I are going to stop this scheme, it can’t end there.

I need to be able to fund an all-out U.S. mail, email and social media blitz.

Then, if I have the resources, I’d like to be able to run hard-hitting Internet and even TV ads in targeted districts.

Cufflinks, we can’t lose this fight.

If we do, even the small (and sometimes BIG) steps toward progress being made at the state and local level in recent years will be lost forever.

There will be nothing holding back localities and state governments, knowing Congress will be there to bail them out.

So will you please sign your petitions right away?

And if at all possible, will you please agree to a
generous contribution of $50?
I know I’m asking a lot. I know that’s probably a big stretch.

But Cufflinks, you know the stakes.

Our federal government is over $19 TRILLION in debt. And there’s no one to bail us out.

If $50 is just too much, please agree to $25 or at least $10.

With time running out, please act at once.

Please let House Speaker Paul Ryan and your U.S. Representative know where you stand, and agree to your most generous contribution of $50, $25 or at least $10 right away.

For Liberty,

Ron Paul
Chairman

P.S. If you and I don’t stop this Puerto Rico bailout scheme, I can virtually guarantee this will only be the beginning.

It’s only a matter of time until cash-strapped municipalities like Chicago -- and states like California, Illinois, and New Jersey -- start showing up to Washington, D.C. with their hands outstretched.

That’s why I’m counting on you to please sign your special NO BAILOUTS petitions to House Speaker Paul Ryan and your U.S. Representative right away.

And please, if you possibly can, agree to your most generous contribution of $50, $25 or at least $10 IMMEDIATELY!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 06, 2016, 12:06:47 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 06, 2016, 11:45:16 AM

His Excellency Thor God Trump does not need endorsements from treasonous Neocon Probama Cuckoldedservatives a.k.a. Cuckservatives or CUCKS for short meaning RINOS who vote for all Clinton-Obama initiatives like a $2.3 Trillion 2016 Omnibus budget that raised the Federal Debt by an additional $1 Trillion in just the past 6 Months without any vasoline they just take it.

Both the Bushes and Clintons prostrated themselves for $10 Billion+ in funding the from the Saudi Royals (Obama recently went to mend fences after the Iran deal to kiss their Royal asses and ensure his $20 Billion for the OUI Obama Universal Initiative Foundation) while the Saudis were funding ISIS Sunnis to behead Christians and while funding the killing of American special forces fighting for Western Christianity in the Levant. Bushes used old blue-blood discretion and funneled the funds via Blackstone and Carlisle groups that they discreetly sat on the boards of and held profitable equity positions in - the Trailer Trash Clintons had to have their bling arsed names in lights with the CGI Clinton Global Initiative "foundation" bribery and influence peddling conflict of interest fund. Of course Brotha Gangsta straight pimpin Obama has to do the trailer trashers one better by being "Universal" OUI.

Paul Ryan agreeing to 300,000 ISIS Syrian anti-American anti-Christian islamo migrants masked behind crying women and children is not only treason but cultural Suicide.

Ryan has only angered his Patriots TEA base who loved Pastor Cruz and is going to be voted out when he tries to undermine the only true Patriot running being Mr. Trump.

As for the retired military officers disrespecting Mr. Trump publicly this is what happens after 20+ Years of Clinton Bush Obama don't ask don't tell that has culminated in pro LGBTQ Pro Trannie pro deviant depraved degenrates passing diabolical cultural family destroying laws and ordinaces nationwide.

Now the so called fiscal conservative RINO Cuck Ryan is up to more no good tricks:

Ron Paul shows why Paul Ryan is a true globalist Rat-Cuck - hint - Mr. Trump is not if favor of these mega bailouts of territories and Cities as the money just disappears and does not go into productive infrastructure andGovernment Dem-Rino-Cuck Jobs and Pensions.

Dear Cufflinks,

In the fantasy-world known as Washington, D.C., there’s always a hard-working American citizen to stick with the bill for the failures of out-of

So with time running out before the U.S. House votes on a new scheme to bail out tax-and-spend government officials in Puerto Rico, I have to ask...

Cufflinks, are you ready to be House Speaker Paul Ryan’s stooge?

Are you ready to foot the bill for Puerto Rico’s government officials who’ve

I hope the answer is a resounding, “NOOOO!”

The truth is, the stakes couldn’t be higher in this fight.

If you and I don’t stop this bailout scheme, I can virtually guarantee that Puerto Rico will only be the beginning.

It’s only a matter of time until cash-strapped municipalities like Chicago -- and states like

That’s why I’m counting on you to please sign your special NO BAILOUTS petitions to House Speaker Paul Ryan and your U.S. Representative right away.

You see, for decades, tax-and-spenders who have gained power throughout the country have turned the cities and states they’ve ruled into little more than political playpens.

*** They’ve taxed their citizens into oblivion -- with many ultimately choosing to leave for greener pastures.

*** They’ve pushed ever-growing cushy entitlement spending programs.

*** They’ve signed off on ridiculous union contracts and padded government payrolls to create more voters dependent on their spending.

*** They’ve handed out bloated pensions to political backers like Halloween candy.

Then, when their economic chickens come home to roost -- and bills can’t be met -- they’re now looking to you and me to

Cufflinks, this is effectively what’s happening in Puerto Rico.

As you may have heard, on May 2, Puerto Rico’s Governor chose to default on $422 million in debt payments instead of cutting and services.

And on July 1, Puerto Rico is facing $2 billion on top of the whopping $73 BILLION they owe.

Yet, with a brand-new BIGGER deadline loomCongress is, "I'm keeping the spending spigotstaxpayers bail me out.”

How did Puerto Rico get into this mess?

The same way localities and states ruled by tax-and-spenders have all over the country.

Spending has been
Government is by far the biggest employer in the territory.

Less than half of Puerto Rico’s citizens are employed or even looking for a job -- a situation which suits the politicians and bureaucrats, who owe their power to Puerto Rico’s ever growing social welfare programs, just fine.

Taxes and a stifled economy ha

A sky-high minimum wage continues to make it difficult for business owners to invest in new hires.

Any right-thinking person’s solution to all of these problems would

But to the Washington, D.C. elites in BOTH parties, bad government policies and politicians can never be to blame
After all, think of the “embarrassment” it would be for a U.S. territory to
So for weeks now, House Speaker Paul Ryan has been beating the bushes to drum up support for his Puerto Rico Bailout -- even claiming it’s just simply “debt restructuring!”

But Ryan’s “debt restructuring” plan would allow the Puerto Rican Government to keep spending, guaranteeing another road.

Meaning this year’s bailout will be the first of many!

Thankfully, many of the most liberty-minded House Republicans aren’t buying it.

After all, in order for any scheme to keep

But Speaker Ryan
That’s cozying up to House Minority Leader Nancy Pe the Puerto Rico Bailout bill with any goodies she wants, and RAMMING it through the U.S. House using primarily
The good news is, the American people have barely begun to weigh in on this looming DISASTER.

So if you and I can make enough House members feel the heat

But I’m counting on your immediate action.

With your help, Campaign for Liberty is ready to flood Congress with

Of course, if you and I are going to stop this scheme, it can’t end there.

I need to
Then, if I have the resources, I’d like to be able to run hard-hitting Internet and even TV ads in targeted districts.

Cufflinks, we can’t lose this fight.

If we do, even the small (and sometimes BIG) steps toward progress being made at the state andã
There will be nothing holding back localities and state governments, knowing Congress will be there to bail them
So will you please sign your petitions right away?

And if at all possible, will you
Our federal government is over $19 TRILLION in debt. And there’s no one to bail us out.

If $50 is just too much, please agree to $25 or at least $10.

With time running out, p
Please let House Speaker Paul
Ron Paul
Chairman

P.S. If you and I don’t stop this Puerto Rico bailout schemeaway.

And please, if you possibly can, agree to your most generous contribution of $50, $25 or at least $10 IMMEDIATELY!

Cuffy, Please use edit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 06, 2016, 12:27:31 PM

AV - LOL I used Grammarly.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 06, 2016, 12:35:17 PM

^He did. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 06, 2016, 12:41:37 PM

Trump's appeal to blue collar coal miners from West Virginia is the beginning of the end for Screech.

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/289916/trump-hairspray-coal-miners-video-west-virginia/

http://www.teaparty.org/video-west-virginia-coal-miners-endorse-donald-trump-162349/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 06, 2016, 12:56:49 PM

There is an Alexander Hamilton quote which goes like this:

“If we must have an enemy at the head of government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible.”

There is a great deal of wisdom in that statement. There might well be pain and suffering with Clinton, but if Trump would govern similarly – and as a New York liberal with authoritarian tendencies and a contempt for the rule of law and limited government he’s pretty damned similar – then you’d have a similar amount of pain and suffering and Republicans and conservatives would be on the hook for it. We’d be stuck defending it. If you don’t think that’s true, I give you the eight years of George W. Bush – from his budgetary incontinence to the prescription drug benefit to Harriet Myers to No Child Left Behind to the attempted amnesty push of 2006. When it was over our party was so broken that it couldn’t beat a half-Kenyan red-diaper baby named Barack Hussein Obama, who had come up out of the political sewer of Chicago, whose only actual employment had been as a race-hustling community organizer and who was mentored by an honest-to-God Communist domestic terrorist.

Hillary Clinton is a walking disaster of a presidential candidate and she’ll be a walking disaster as a president. But the public knows this and if she is elected she will take office with an electorate already suspicious of her and an inevitable slide in approval ratings her personal charisma isn’t sufficient to backstop. She will be most vulnerable to defeat in 2020 and the true conservative renaissance could well commence at that time. Better that than to have conservatism driven completely out of the Republican Party by Trump and have to make our peace with white nationalism and a grievance culture of our own as a dominant part of the GOP’s coalition; there is no way to remove such a stench in four years.

I reject Trump. I reject him on character grounds, on policy grounds, on grounds of political competence, on grounds of his meager chances of victory and on grounds of philosophical principle. My vote is my own and he does not deserve it. For this to change would depend on Trump changing to earn my vote, and brazen demands made of me in lieu of that honest effort will only push me further into my position. Moreover, premature casting of blame for a Democrat victory on people who have warned about Trump’s insufficiency makes for a very poor argument giving off much more heat than light amid a campaign which has been both pitch-black and white-hot.

http://thehayride.com/2016/05/some-advice-for-trumpsters-newly-minted-and-otherwise/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 06, 2016, 01:03:22 PM

More truth for "Trumpists" to take responsibility for . . . . . . . .

http://spectator.org/articles/66195/conservative-catastrophe-ahead

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 06, 2016, 01:21:15 PM

Shakespeare, you can piss and moan all you want, but business as usual got this country in debt for trillions. Illegal immigrants flowed like water over the border. The country went through a huge recession while GW, was on watch. The United states has not flourished in many years.
The same old crap just doesn't get it done. Trump might have numerous flaws, but possibly he may open doors to change that is much needed.
Political correctness has made this country weak, and people can't even speak their mind. It's refreshing as hell to hear Trump speak his mind and stand strong against the critics.
The United states cannot afford to continue as it has.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 06, 2016, 01:37:33 PM

Trump got real on the economic disaster the Obama-Clinton-CuckRyan RINOs have stuck us with and is the only Patriot speaking Truth to Delusionary Deception the likes of Shakes has fallen prey to:

THE KING OF DEBT!

Calling himself 'the king of debt' in his business dealings, Donald Trump warned correctly this morning that the national debt would be troublesome if the cost of borrowing increases, asking rhetorically, "we're paying a very low interest rate. What happens if that interest rate goes up 2, 3, 4 points? ...We don't have a country." The U.S. should "renegotiate longer-term debt," he added rather shockingly to the CNBC anchors, and with the recent surge in US Treasury default risk (now at 3-month highs), it appears the market is growing more nervous also.

"I am for low interest rates..."

Donald Trump says one point of higher interest rates would be devastating:
"I could see renegotiations where we borrow at long term at very low rates."
“I have borrowed knowing you can pay back with discounts”
“I was swashbuckling, and it went well for me.”
“We have to be very, very careful, and I am the king of debt, I do love debt. I love debt. I love playing with it. Of course, now you are talking about, you know, you’re talking about something that’s very fragile”

On a lengthy interview on CNBC this morning, Donald Trump, the now presumptive Republican nominee, looked back on his business history to lay the groundwork to what he would do as President. He came as close as any major presidential contender to saying that America's formula for economic recovery might involve repaying our creditors less than what we owe. This is a major development that should be rewriting the playbook on Wall Street and call into question the risk-free nature of U.S. Treasuries.

Despite his public image as a premiere pitchman, marketeer, and builder of some of the world's most heavily gilded residential properties, Donald Trump owes his business success to his ability to walk into a roomful of people to whom he owes money and, through the use of threats, promises, bluster, and hardball negotiations, convince them to accept less than what he owes. Time and again he has used competitors' prior lending mistakes as a lever to get what he wants. That's why he has said repeatedly that he is "the king of debt."

Now that he has dispensed with all Republican rivals, the Donald is free to stake out economic positions that are in fact to the left of his likely opponent, Hillary Clinton. He made it clear that his priorities would involve massive infrastructure spending on America's roads, bridges, and airports. He also proposes some vague replacement for Obamacare, which certainly would involve some government financing. Given that such moves could massively increase the Federal budget deficits, these are positions that the Republican Congress has refused to touch.

But Trump also acknowledged a hint of realism that other politicians can't. He said that the U.S. economy remains extremely dependent on ultra-low interest rates, and that even a 1% increase in rates could be devastating. As a serial borrower, Trump "loves low interest rates" and made it clear that he would replace Janet Yellen with a Republican Fed chairperson who feels the same (this is a bit like finding a vegetarian that loves cheeseburgers). But he also seems to understand that rates can't stay this low forever.

But how can we borrow more, in an environment where rates are bound to rise, without making our debt service costs rise substantially? Simple, you renegotiate, and force your creditors to either take less than what they are owed, or to wait longer before we pay (i.e. extending maturities, turning 3-year notes into 30-year Treasuries bonds with the same coupon.) He seems to understand that such radical moves would convince international investors to seek greener pastures, which would then devastate the value of the dollar. But he seems to be just fine with that.

In the CNBC interview he said that a strong dollar sounds good "on paper" but that a weak currency offers much greater benefits in the real world. In fact, he credits weak currencies as the primary weapon used by China to engineer its own success. He wants to do the same for America. Will voters support a plan whereby we stiff the Chinese and use the money to build shiny new airports and to finance health care options? I think they will.

Of course the Achilles heel of such a plan is that a significantly weaker dollar is bound to usher in a wave of inflation that could rival that of the 1970s. If Trump and his new lackeys at the Fed are unwilling to raise rates to counter that trend, the poor especially will suffer as purchasing power evaporates and poverty rates could soar. Debt has been his friend his entire career. Why should the leopard change his spots now? Especially as he has been so successful in taking down all the prey in his path.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 06, 2016, 02:21:36 PM

Ain't that the truth . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 06, 2016, 04:22:41 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 06, 2016, 01:21:15 PM

Shakespeare, you can piss and moan all you want, but business as usual got this country in debt for trillions. Illegal immigrants flowed like water over the border. The country went through a huge recession while GW, was on watch. The United states has not flourished in many years.
The same old crap just doesn't get it done. Trump might have numerous flaws, but possibly he may open doors to change that is much needed.
Political correctness has made this country weak, and people can't even speak their mind. It's refreshing as hell to hear Trump speak his mind and stand strong against the critics.
The United states cannot afford to continue as it has.

^^ I am not American but that's what I think too.

How can Trump be worse than what went before, and how can he be worse than the alternative?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 06, 2016, 06:15:09 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 06, 2016, 04:22:41 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 06, 2016, 01:21:15 PM
Shakespeare, you can piss and moan all you want, but business as usual got this country in debt for trillions. Illegal immigrants flowed like water over the border. The country went through a huge recession while GW, was on watch. The United states has not flourished in many years.
The same old crap just doesn't get it done. Trump might have numerous flaws, but possibly he may open doors to change that is much needed.
Political correctness has made this country weak, and people can't even speak their mind. It's refreshing as hell to hear Trump speak his mind and stand strong against the critics.
The United states cannot afford to continue as it has.

^^ I am not American but that's what I think too.

How can Trump be worse than what went before, and how can he be worse than the alternative?

Shakes I agree reluctantly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 06, 2016, 06:25:09 PM

This is one elder republican I never thought would publicly support Trump.

First on CNN: Cheney says he will support Trump

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/06/politics/dick-cheney-donald-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 06, 2016, 07:19:46 PM

This video l is a parody of the movie "The 300",

It's good for a few laughs. The Donald at his best!
Even if this video is made for entertainment, Trumps message is what the United states needs, and like him or not he will make America great again!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 06, 2016, 07:41:59 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 06, 2016, 04:22:41 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 06, 2016, 01:21:15 PM
Shakespeare, you can piss and moan all you want, but business as usual got this country in debt for trillions. Illegal immigrants flowed like water over the border. The country went through a huge recession while GW, was on watch. The United states has not flourished in many years.
The same old crap just doesn't get it done. Trump might have numerous flaws, but possibly he may open doors to change that is much needed.
Political correctness has made this country weak, and people can't even speak their mind. It's refreshing as hell to hear Trump speak his mind and stand strong against the critics.
The United states cannot afford to continue as it has.

^^ I am not American but that's what I think too.

How can Trump be worse than what went before, and how can he be worse than the alternative?

He is also in favor of grexit though your trade deals just got adjusted and there will be a military surcharge.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 06, 2016, 08:35:12 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 06, 2016, 01:21:15 PM

Shakespeare, you can piss and moan all you want, but business as usual got this country in debt for trillions. Illegal immigrants flowed like water over the border. The country went through a huge recession while GW, was on watch. The United states has not flourished in many years.
The same old crap just doesn't get it done. Trump might have numerous flaws, but possibly he may open doors to change that is much needed.
Political correctness has made this country weak, and people can't even speak their mind. It's refreshing as hell to hear Trump speak his mind and stand strong against the critics.
The United states cannot afford to continue as it has.

:thumbsup:

And Trump destroying the neo-Con warmongering Bush dynasty was icing on the cake.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 07, 2016, 08:13:04 AM

More republicans are warming up to Trump.
Bob Dole 1996 republican candidate endorsers Trump.

By the time of the convention, I think the majority of republicans will unite around Trump. The few that publicly tried to derail Trump, could very well be judged as petty and self-serving. Romney,the Bush family and few others really should look at their own contributions to the United states.
Nothing very impressive to brag about there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 07, 2016, 08:22:18 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 07, 2016, 08:13:04 AM

By the time of the convention, I think the majority of republicans will unite around Trump. The few that publicly tried to derail Trump, could very well be judged as petty and self-serving.

Yes, that's how it will go.

In the background will be very strenuous attempts to move matters in the preferred direction. There will be suggestions about choice of VP and other significant posts, there will be promises and threats - a whole heap of horse trading!

The bottom line is that without party support there's very little that Trump can achieve in policy or legislative terms so right now I am sure that pencils are being sharpened, options are being priced and offers being made so that the stakeholders, both public and less visible, can all understand that they each get at least some of what they want.

One might argue that simply by running Trump has opened debate in the public sphere about issues that would otherwise go unnoticed. As an agent for change Trump is already being effective. Now The Powers That Be will settle down to seeing how they can harness the Trump horse to their plough(s).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 07, 2016, 09:33:24 AM

Shakespear may like this article.

http://www.aol.com/article/2016/05/04/daily-news-mourns-the-death-of-the-republican-party-killed-by/21369906/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on May 07, 2016, 10:53:36 AM

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328#efmADMAFf

Things that make you go hmmmm.

Quote from: Hillary Clinton

The best way to help Israel deal with Iran's growing nuclear capability is to help the people of
Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad.

Looks like this can finish Hillary's career.
http://theantimedia.org/wikileaks-drops-hillary-email-bomb-that-could-end-her-campaign-but-fb-censored-it/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 07, 2016, 11:08:09 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 07, 2016, 08:22:18 AM

[Now The Powers That Be will settle down to seeing how they can harness the Trump horse to their plough(s).

And that plow horse might kick them in the head and expose all their secrets like he did when exposing that the two parties are really just one party. He will have 'the power of the sword' with the Justice Department and all the access to all the National secrets to be able to use them to play hardball. The NSA knows everything about everyone especially the important people who he needs to cooperate with him. We are living in interesting times.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 07, 2016, 05:16:28 PM

Finding a way to channel my political activism in a positive way.

Volunteered for the Rob Portman for Senate campaign. This is one of the "must win" contested elections for control of the Senate that the Republicans desperately need.

http://www.portman.senate.gov/public/

My $2700 maximum contribution will directly to his campaign instead of the Republican Party Presidential Campaign. Won't have a single penny of my money wasted on Trump's losing campaign.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 07, 2016, 06:33:25 PM

The republican candidates running for president all signed a loyalty oath, that they would not run independent, and support the nominee.
Just goes to show Jeb Bush, and that weasel Graham are not men of their word.

Donald Trump attacks Republicans, Democrats alike

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-attacks-republicans-democrats-alike-election-2016/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 07, 2016, 07:23:12 PM

I agree 100 percent. Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham RINO,s and weasels

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 07, 2016, 10:15:53 PM

Who are these strange people, claiming to be Americans and Republicans, who don't believe in America first? RINO's, that's for sure.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 07, 2016, 10:19:04 PM

Meanwhile the noose is tightening around treacherous traitor Hillary Screech Clinton.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/chris-farrell-judicial-watch-depose/2016/05/06/id/727636/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 07, 2016, 10:27:59 PM

Having a very boring day. Decided my picks for VP are either Newt Gingrich or Tom (the hammer) Delay.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 08, 2016, 01:28:57 AM

Quote from: bagalia on May 07, 2016, 10:27:59 PM

Having a very boring day. Decided my picks for VP are either Newt Gingrich or Tom (the hammer) Delay.

Have thought about it for a couple days as well, Rand Paul.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 08, 2016, 01:40:00 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 08, 2016, 01:28:57 AM

Quote from: bagalia on May 07, 2016, 10:27:59 PM
Having a very boring day. Decided my picks for VP are either Newt Gingrich or Tom (the hammer) Delay.

Have thought about it for a couple days as well, Rand Paul.

Good choice because the establishment REALLY fears that guy. A great insurance policy for preventing an "executive action" on the Donald.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 08, 2016, 01:58:47 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 07, 2016, 10:19:04 PM

Meanwhile the noose is tightening around treacherous traitor Hillary Screech Clinton.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/chris-farrell-judicial-watch-depose/2016/05/06/id/727636/

Not with Loretta Lynch as the Attorney General controlling the FBI and the courts. Only Trump can put her behind bars.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 08:26:09 AM

Trump calls Obama after his big win in Indiana. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 08:29:36 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 08, 2016, 01:58:47 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 07, 2016, 10:19:04 PM
Meanwhile the noose is tightening around treacherous traitor Hillary Screech Clinton.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/chris-farrell-judicial-watch-depose/2016/05/06/id/727636/

Not with Loretta Lynch as the Attorney General controlling the FBI and the courts. Only Trump can put her behind bars.

There actually might be sufficient pressure whereby she must withdraw and Biden steps in.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 08:30:48 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 08, 2016, 01:28:57 AM

Quote from: bagalia on May 07, 2016, 10:27:59 PM
Having a very boring day. Decided my picks for VP are either Newt Gingrich or Tom (the hammer) Delay.

Have thought about it for a couple days as well, Rand Paul.

I still prefer Marco Rubio. Hispanic vote is the most important bloc of voters to get him over the top.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 08, 2016, 09:10:30 AM

Gotta laugh at how the liberal media twists facts.
This morning Trump explained his tax policy which makes sense.
He understands negotiations will take place so give a plan that exceeds what you hope for, from there negotiate.
The headlines make Trump look like he's ready to raise taxes.
Trump does not expect to get everything he wants, so negotiate for the best outcome.
Sound strategy!

Trump Walks Back Tax Plan, Saying 'I'm Allowed to Change'

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-walks-back-tax-plan-negotiated/story?id=38959168

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 08, 2016, 11:15:37 AM

Why Trump has vanquished 16 Satanic Globalists - He has been anointed by God to champion the Christians world over and save the West from evil Islamists invasion.

http://www.youtube.com/v/tqwFWD_Htfo

[fflash=725,575]http://www.youtube.com/v/***[/flash]

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on May 08, 2016, 11:27:26 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 07, 2016, 05:16:28 PM

Finding a way to channel my political activism in a positive way.

Volunteered for the Rob Portman for Senate campaign. This is one of the "must win" contested elections for control of the Senate that the Republicans desperately need.

http://www.portman.senate.gov/public/

My $2700 maximum contribution will directly to his campaign instead of the Republican Party Presidential Campaign. Won't have a single penny of my money wasted on Trump's losing campaign.

Buying democracy - The land of the free.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 04:23:22 PM

Quote from: rosco on May 08, 2016, 11:27:26 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 07, 2016, 05:16:28 PM
Finding a way to channel my political activism in a positive way.

Volunteered for the Rob Portman for Senate campaign. This is one of the "must win" contested elections for control of the Senate that the Republicans desperately need.

http://www.portman.senate.gov/public/

My $2700 maximum contribution will directly to his campaign instead of the Republican Party Presidential Campaign. Won't have a single penny of my money wasted on Trump's losing campaign.

Buying democracy - The land of the free.

Why must you constantly attempt to throw dirt on the USA? Nobody is buying anything. There are two parties in our country and it's normal that a person can donate, within limits, to advance the party of their choice and a particular candidate within that party.

Notice I said there are two parties. If you would pay attention you could probably figure out, that the donations on each side cancel each other out. In other words the best person usually will win -- the person who makes the most efficient use of their donations combined with the best policy proposals.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 08, 2016, 05:32:07 PM

Will Trump be blindsided, and screwed out of the nomination?

So if Trump is the only one in the race, why are Republicans still voting? - See more at:

http://m.whio.com/news/news/national/so-if-trump-only-one-race-why-are-republicans-stil/nrJBx/#sthash.9ZQLIYyX.dpuf

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 08, 2016, 08:21:37 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 04:23:22 PM

Quote from: rosco on May 08, 2016, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: shakespear on May 07, 2016, 05:16:28 PM
Finding a way to channel my political activism in a positive way.

Volunteered for the Rob Portman for Senate campaign. This is one of the "must win" contested elections for control of the Senate that the Republicans desperately need.

http://www.portman.senate.gov/public/

My $2700 maximum contribution will directly to his campaign instead of the Republican Party Presidential Campaign. Won't have a single penny of my money wasted on Trump's losing campaign.

Buying democracy - The land of the free.

Why must you constantly attempt to throw dirt on the USA? Nobody is buying anything. There are two parties in our country and it's normal that a person can donate, within limits, to advance the party of their choice and a particular candidate within that party.

Notice I said there are two parties. If you would pay attention you could probably figure out, that the donations on each side cancel each other out. In other words the best person usually will win -- the person who makes the most efficient use of their donations combined with the best policy proposals.

Actually... there are some 17 party's and a long list of write-ins and others. The Communist party did not enter this years race I believe.

http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 08, 2016, 08:34:26 PM

Donald Trump does have a fair grasp of what the United states has to do to deal with it's ever increasing debt.

Donald Trump just exposed America's dirty little secret: Schiff

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-just-exposed-americas-210000595.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 09:33:00 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 08, 2016, 08:34:26 PM

Donald Trump does have a fair grasp of what the United states has to do to deal with it's ever increasing debt.

Donald Trump just exposed America's dirty little secret: Schiff

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-just-exposed-americas-210000595.html

Very interesting article, thanks for posting.

The analysis that a default is inevitable is probably correct. It was not correct when Obummer took office. Obummer turned a 10 Trillion dollar debt into almost 20 Trillion in less than 8 years. Of course Obummer spent most of that time blaming Bush Jr. while spending money like a drunken sailor on shore leave.

Sadly it is likely too late to ever pay this debt back and the crash is going to be devastating.

Quote:

"Trump just admitted on CNBC that America has too much debt to afford a rate hike, and that he wants our creditors to accept less than 100 cents on their Treasuries," the Euro Pacific Capital CEO explained on CNBC's " Futures Now " last week. "In other words, Trump knows a U.S. government default is inevitable."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 09:35:59 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 08, 2016, 08:21:37 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 04:23:22 PM
Quote from: rosco on May 08, 2016, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: shakespear on May 07, 2016, 05:16:28 PM
Finding a way to channel my political activism in a positive way.

Volunteered for the Rob Portman for Senate campaign. This is one of the "must win" contested elections for control of the Senate that the Republicans desperately need.

http://www.portman.senate.gov/public/

My $2700 maximum contribution will directly to his campaign instead of the Republican Party Presidential Campaign. Won't have a single penny of my money wasted on Trump's losing campaign.

Buying democracy - The land of the free.

Why must you constantly attempt to throw dirt on the USA? Nobody is buying anything. There are two parties in our country and it's normal that a person can donate, within limits, to advance the party of their choice and a particular candidate within that party.

Notice I said there are two parties. If you would pay attention you could probably figure out, that the donations on each side cancel each other out. In other words the best person usually will win -- the person who makes the most efficient use of their donations combined with the best policy proposals.

Actually... there are some 17 party's and a long list of write-ins and others. The Communist party did not enter this years race I believe.

http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm

There are only two major parties. I have no idea how you could come up with 17? Libertarian -- yes. Who are the other alleged parties?

It doesn't really matter. The point is that the two parties cancel each other out. Donation wise. It's up to the politician in question to earn votes or not -- with the money he is given to operate with.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 08, 2016, 09:37:31 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 09:33:00 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 08, 2016, 08:34:26 PM
Donald Trump does have a fair grasp of what the United states has to do to deal with it's ever increasing debt.

Donald Trump just exposed America's dirty little secret: Schiff

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-just-exposed-americas-210000595.html

Very interesting article, thanks for posting.

The analysis that a default is inevitable is probably correct. It was not correct when Obummer took office. Obummer turned a 10 Trillion dollar debt into almost 20 Trillion in less than 8 years. Of course Obummer spent most of that time blaming Bush Jr. while spending money like a drunken sailor on shore leave.

Sadly it is likely too late to ever pay this debt back and the crash is going to be devastating.

Quote:

"Trump just admitted on CNBC that America has too much debt to afford a rate hike, and that he wants our creditors to accept less than 100 cents on their Treasuries," the Euro Pacific Capital CEO explained on CNBC's " Futures Now " last week. "In other words, Trump knows a U.S. government default is inevitable."

If you go back to the 1980's you will find that Regan doubled the debt, Bush Sr, was on track for doubling the debt, BushJr doubled the debt and Obama doubled the debt. They all screwed us.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 09:45:40 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 08, 2016, 09:37:31 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 09:33:00 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on May 08, 2016, 08:34:26 PM
Donald Trump does have a fair grasp of what the United states has to do to deal with it's ever increasing debt.

Donald Trump just exposed America's dirty little secret: Schiff

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-just-exposed-americas-210000595.html

Very interesting article, thanks for posting.

The analysis that a default is inevitable is probably correct. It was not correct when Obummer took office. Obummer turned a 10 Trillion dollar debt into almost 20 Trillion in less than 8 years. Of course Obummer spent most of that time blaming Bush Jr. while spending money like a drunken sailor on shore leave.

Sadly it is likely too late to ever pay this debt back and the crash is going to be devastating.

Quote:

"Trump just admitted on CNBC that America has too much debt to afford a rate hike, and that he wants our creditors to accept less than 100 cents on their Treasuries," the Euro Pacific Capital CEO explained on CNBC's " Futures Now " last week. "In other words, Trump knows a U.S. government default is inevitable."

If you go back to the 1980's you will find that Regan doubled the debt, Bush Sr, was on track for doubling the debt, BushJr doubled the debt and Obama doubled the debt. They all screwed us.

Obama screwed us a lot worse than the rest. He refused to approve the Keystone pipeline and he killed high paying jobs in the coal industry. American cannot continue to pay it's debts and have a good economy if we are not energy independent.

Reagan was the best of those you listed. Obama is by far the worst President this country has ever had to deal with.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 08, 2016, 10:00:21 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 09:33:00 PM

"Trump just admitted on CNBC that America has too much debt to afford a rate hike, and that he wants our creditors to accept less than 100 cents on their Treasuries," the Euro Pacific Capital CEO explained on CNBC's " Futures Now " last week. "In other words, Trump knows a U.S. government default is inevitable."

What are you talking about?

Less than 30 days ago he was claiming he could eliminate all $19 trillion in US debt in 8 years!
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35974537

The man changes his story at the drop of a hat and nobody seems to call him on it.

He's a serial liar.

How can anyone even possibly believe that this charlatan could be an effective President?

I agree that a rate hike is inevitable. The weakening of our currency and the hyper-inflation needed to pay down our debt will be the burden we all will bear for our uncontrolled spending for the last 16 years. We can print money fast enough to pay the debt off but we MUST cut spending so that we do not have to re-issue the debt at the sharply higher interest rates.

AND/OR we need to grow the economy at a 4% -6% annual rate for several years to increase tax revenues while cutting overall spending.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 10:12:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 08, 2016, 10:00:21 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 09:33:00 PM
"Trump just admitted on CNBC that America has too much debt to afford a rate hike, and that he wants our creditors to accept less than 100 cents on their Treasuries," the Euro Pacific Capital CEO explained on CNBC's " Futures Now " last week. "In other words, Trump knows a U.S. government default is inevitable."

What are you talking about?

Less than 30 days ago he was claiming he could eliminate all $19 trillion in US debt in 8 years!
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35974537

The man changes his story at the drop of a hat and nobody seems to call him on it.

He's a serial liar.

How can anyone even possibly believe that this charlatan could be an effective President?

I agree that a rate hike is inevitable. The weakening of our currency and the hyper-inflation needed to pay down our debt will be the burden we all will bear for our uncontrolled spending for the last 16 years. We can print money fast enough to pay the debt off but we MUST cut spending so that we do not have to re-issue the debt at the sharply higher interest rates.

I believe that article by Schiff is attempting to speak for Trump. Nobody knows when a crisis or default might hit, it's merely speculation. Trump is the best choice because of his real-world business experience. If you don't agree, don't vote for him. I believe that was already your choice.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 10:14:56 PM

I just noticed your And/or scenario. The best choice to have an economy growing at 4 to 6 percent is by far Trump!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 08, 2016, 10:24:56 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 10:12:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 08, 2016, 10:00:21 PM
Quote from: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 09:33:00 PM
"Trump just admitted on CNBC that America has too much debt to afford a rate hike, and that he wants our creditors to accept less than 100 cents on their Treasuries," the Euro Pacific Capital CEO explained on CNBC's " Futures Now " last week. "In other words, Trump knows a U.S. government default is inevitable."

What are you talking about?

Less than 30 days ago he was claiming he could eliminate all $19 trillion in US debt in 8 years!
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35974537

The man changes his story at the drop of a hat and nobody seems to call him on it.

He's a serial liar.

How can anyone even possibly believe that this charlatan could be an effective President?

I agree that a rate hike is inevitable. The weakening of our currency and the hyper-inflation needed to pay down our debt will be the burden we all will bear for our uncontrolled spending for the last 16 years. We can print money fast enough to pay the debt off but we MUST cut spending so that we do not have to re-issue the debt at the sharply higher interest rates.

I believe that article by Schiff is attempting to speak for Trump. Nobody knows when a crisis or default might hit, it's merely speculation. Trump is the best choice because of his real-world business experience. If you don't agree, don't vote for him. I believe that was already your choice.

Either way in the end you eliminate the debt don't you.

Trump has never said exactly how he would do it, only pieces. He does at times evolve but most of what he says is only pieces and then when he expands on the subject he gets told he is flip flopping. Minimum wage is one example.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on May 09, 2016, 02:12:06 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 04:23:22 PM

Quote from: rosco on May 08, 2016, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: shakespear on May 07, 2016, 05:16:28 PM
Finding a way to channel my political activism in a positive way.

Volunteered for the Rob Portman for Senate campaign. This is one of the "must win" contested elections for control of the Senate that the Republicans desperately need.

http://www.portman.senate.gov/public/

My $2700 maximum contribution will directly to his campaign instead of the Republican Party Presidential Campaign. Won't have a single penny of my money wasted on Trump's losing campaign.

Buying democracy - The land of the free.

Why must you constantly attempt to throw dirt on the USA? Nobody is buying anything. There are two parties in our country and it's normal that a person can donate, within limits, to advance the party of their choice and a particular candidate within that party.

Notice I said there are two parties. If you would pay attention you could probably figure out, that the donations on each side cancel each other out. In other words the best person usually will win -- the person who makes the most efficient use of their donations combined with the best policy proposals.

So why waste the money if it simply cancels each other out?

My point here Ant, is that true democracy and fairness won't depend on dollars. Perhaps the irony is lost on you?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 09, 2016, 02:35:26 AM

http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm

The page I supplied gives a listing of curent US political party's and there are actually around 45 of them. It is just that for this election only about 17 of them are submitting candidates. There are well over 400 men and women running for President of the United States.

Now you may discount them as nothing important and you will be correct. Most of the people are nobodies that will never be anybody. The party's range from independents to several socialist and communist party's and on to some older and weirder one's. Still, several of these parties have garnered 100s of thousands of votes and been used by candidates you know.

Ross Perot founded the Freedom Party in 1995.

The Peace and Freedom Party nominated Black Panther leader Eldridge Cleaver for President in 68 and Ralph Nader used it later on. Rosanne Barr came in at 6th place in 2012 race for President under this party banner.

The Party for Socialism and Liberation sent Peta Lindsay into the race for President and she made a showing of 11th place in 2012. Currently they have an underage woman running for the 7th time.

The Independence Party was established by Jesse Ventura in 2000 and it took over Sen Wellstone's position when he died.

Alan Keyes created America's Party.

George C. Wallace founded American Independent Party. Ran for President in 68 thru this.

The Green Party of the United States also ran Ralph Nader for President. Ron Paul was formerly with the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party was the vehicle for Pat Buchanan.

Just saying......

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 09, 2016, 02:56:57 AM

Ant, as Bagalia correctly pointed out there are many parties in the United States, but on the boob tube that 'informs you' there's likely only two parties projected at your eyeballs.

As you probably are unaware, given your displayed lack of knowledge, it is not uncommon for a single donor to contribute to more than one party, typically, the two parties most likely to be able to win elections.

This payments are not made in order that they might 'cancel each other out' as you think. Those payments are made in order to buy influence with each of the parties - in betting terms an each way bet. Whichever party wins, the donor expects to win.

This activity tells us that the current system of paying for elections is corrupt because the only benefit of supporting both the likely winners is to benefit from the winner in either case.
You are correct that there is a cancelling effect, assuming that each campaign is managed equally effectively but the donors are not considering that effect when they pay off both major campaigns. They are concerned about the benefits to be accrued after the election.

Worse than that though. By funding campaigns in this corrupt manner it makes it harder for the smaller parties to campaign because they have no way to attain the same volume, the same voice in the election campaign. Thus, such corrupt donations are anti-democratic in nature.

I'd argue that, to some degree, it is correct that there should be a variance in volume between large, popular, parties and smaller, less mainstream ones but the current system is hugely distorting and serves to exclude candidates and voters from the democratic process.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on May 09, 2016, 03:02:51 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 09, 2016, 02:56:57 AM

Ant, as Bagalia correctly pointed out there are many parties in the United States, but on the boob tube that 'informs you' there's likely only two parties projected at your eyeballs.

As you probably are unaware, given your displayed lack of knowledge, it is not uncommon for a single donor to contribute to more than one party, typically, the two parties most likely to be able to win elections.

This payments are not made in order that they might 'cancel each other out' as you think. Those payments are made in order to buy influence with each of the parties - in betting terms an each way bet. Whichever party wins, the donor expects to win.

This activity tells us that the current system of paying for elections is corrupt because the only benefit of supporting both the likely winners is to benefit from the winner in either case.
You are correct that there is a cancelling effect, assuming that each campaign is managed equally effectively but the donors are not considering that effect when they pay off both major campaigns. They are concerned about the benefits to be accrued after the election.

Worse than that though. By funding campaigns in this corrupt manner it makes it harder for the smaller parties to campaign because they have no way to attain the same volume, the same voice in the election campaign. Thus, such corrupt donations are anti-democratic in nature.

I'd argue that, to some degree, it is correct that there should be a variance in volume between large, popular, parties and smaller, less mainstream ones but the current system is hugely distorting and serves to exclude candidates and voters from the democratic process.

Bingo.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 09, 2016, 07:32:49 AM

In the Americas North to South we can do political battle with either Ballots or Bullets.

With bullets, you get a bloody mess and dictators often for life (Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, etc).

With Ballots, every dollar is a soldier and to win Battles and Political Campaigns (wars) you need a large army and a competent General (Candidate).

With the advent of the Global TV networks and the Internet to influence and win voters - those with the best candidate and populist policies combined with the best opposition research (Attack Ads) usually wins.

Make no mistake this is modern warfare and why small guerilla skirmishers (esoteric small little-known parties above) are usually crushed as was the case in European medieval eras.

Would you rather have ballots or bullets in the USA the world's largest Nuclear Armed Democratic Duopoly?

Is a parliamentary government more inclusive... perhaps - but is a system that can be dissolved with a no-confidence vote the best way to manage a country that spans two oceans 50+ states and territories and with politically diverse parties and peoples that often hate each other?

Each party has its factions Conservative, Globalist, Nationalist, Libertarian, Patriots or Socialists, Communists, Big Government Open Borders Soroists with influence by either Kochist Oligarchs or populists in each half of the approved Deep State Establishment Duopoly.

Say what you will the Duopoly ensures stability and proper Ballots vs Bullets elections every 4 years with the in-power party limited via constitutional checks and balances and the out party waiting patiently to get even.

We see in the EU that there are corrosive and psychotic socially suicidal outcomes to the "superior" or more inclusive Parliamentary process that encompasses all viewpoints and culminates in Radical Islamist Invasions of the liberal European paradises now being prepped for a Sharia conversion over the next 20 to 50 years. Huh??? Clearly an imperfect system as well.

Political systems invented by Humans are subject to human flaws and imperfections.

Given the choice of Ballots versus Bullets, I will take our current Duopoly that gives us a true American patriot to fight against a corrupt Deep State militant feminist Globalist Soros Traitor and her CGI Crime Cartel influence peddling "foundation".

The current system may not be perfect but it gives everyone a voice if they want it and encourages us all to go to the ballot box rather than the village green to form up as anti redcoat militias with flintlocks and or more lethal AR-15s.

The choice is simple, do real battle in the woods, fields, plains, mountains and urban centers of the USA or via ballot boxes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 09, 2016, 07:50:57 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 09, 2016, 07:32:49 AM

In the Americas North to South we can do political battle with either Ballots or Bullets.

With bullets, you get a bloody mess and dictators often for life (Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, etc).

With Ballots, every dollar is a soldier and to win Battles and Political Campaigns (wars) you need a large army and a competent General (Candidate).

With the advent of the Global TV networks and the Internet to influence and win voters - those with the best candidate and populist policies combined with the best opposition research (Attack Ads) usually wins.

Make no mistake this is modern warfare and why small guerilla skirmishers (esoteric small little-known parties above) are usually crushed as was the case in European medieval eras.

Would you rather have ballots or bullets in the USA the world's largest Nuclear Armed Democratic Duopoly?

Is a parliamentary government more inclusive... perhaps - but is a system that can be dissolved with a no-confidence vote the best way to manage a country that spans two oceans 50+ states and territories and with politically diverse parties and peoples that often hate each other?

Each party has its factions Conservative, Globalist, Nationalist, Libertarian, Patriots or Socialists, Communists, Big Government Open Borders Soroists with influence by either Kochist Oligarchs or populists in each half of the approved Deep State Establishment Duopoly.

Say what you will the Duopoly ensures stability and proper Ballots vs Bullets elections every 4 years with the in-power party limited via constitutional checks and balances and the out party waiting patiently to get even.

We see in the EU that there are corrosive and psychotic socially suicidal outcomes to the "superior" or more inclusive Parliamentary process that encompasses all viewpoints and culminates in Radical Islamist Invasions of the liberal European paradises now being prepped for a Sharia conversion over the next 20 to 50 years. Huh??? Clearly an imperfect system as well.

Political systems invented by Humans are subject to human flaws and imperfections.

Given the choice of Ballots versus Bullets, I will take our current Duopoly that gives us a true American patriot to fight against a corrupt Deep State militant feminist Globalist Soros Traitor and her CGI Crime Cartel influence peddling "foundation".

The current system may not be perfect but it gives everyone a voice if they want it and encourages us all to go to the ballot box rather than the village green to form up as anti redcoat militias with flintlocks and or more lethal AR-15s.

The choice is simple, do real battle in the woods, fields, plains, mountains and urban centers of the USA or via ballot boxes.

Bingo! It's obviously difficult for the low information unthinkers in Estonia and the UK to comprehend how our system works since they've already surrendered their sovereignty to the EU and to the Muslims. London is now nearly lost and yet these buffoons wish to lecture their cousins who they are clearly jealous of.

No doubt they will be begging us for assistance, yet again, in the next World War. Mind you they are so deep in their propaganda of being "safe" and without anxiety of their coming doom that they only scoff at the writing on the wall.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 09, 2016, 08:20:17 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 09, 2016, 07:50:57 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 09, 2016, 07:32:49 AM
In the Americas North to South we can do political battle with either Ballots or Bullets.

With bullets, you get a bloody mess and dictators often for life (Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, etc).

With Ballots, every dollar is a soldier and to win Battles and Political Campaigns (wars) you need a large army and a competent General (Candidate).

With the advent of the Global TV networks and the Internet to influence and win voters - those with the best candidate and populist policies combined with the best opposition research (Attack Ads) usually wins.

Make no mistake this is modern warfare and why small guerilla skirmishers (esoteric small little-known parties above) are usually crushed as was the case in European medieval eras.

Would you rather have ballots or bullets in the USA the world's largest Nuclear Armed Democratic Duopoly?

Is a parliamentary government more inclusive... perhaps - but is a system that can be dissolved with a no-confidence vote the best way to manage a country that spans two oceans 50+ states and territories and with politically diverse parties and peoples that often hate each other?

Each party has its factions Conservative, Globalist, Nationalist, Libertarian, Patriots or Socialists, Communists, Big Government Open Borders Soroists with influence by either Kochist Oligarchs or populists in each half of the approved Deep State Establishment Duopoly.

Say what you will the Duopoly ensures stability and proper Ballots vs Bullets elections every 4 years with the in-power party limited via constitutional checks and balances and the out party waiting patiently to get even.

We see in the EU that there are corrosive and psychotic socially suicidal outcomes to the "superior" or more inclusive Parliamentary process that encompasses all viewpoints and culminates in Radical Islamist Invasions of the liberal European paradises now being prepped for a Sharia conversion over the next 20 to 50 years. Huh??? Clearly an imperfect system as well.

Political systems invented by Humans are subject to human flaws and imperfections.

Given the choice of Ballots versus Bullets, I will take our current Duopoly that gives us a true American patriot to fight against a corrupt Deep State militant feminist Globalist Soros Traitor and her CGI Crime Cartel influence peddling "foundation".

The current system may not be perfect but it gives everyone a voice if they want it and encourages us all to go to the ballot box rather than the village green to form up as anti redcoat militias with flintlocks and or more lethal AR-15s.

The choice is simple, do real battle in the woods, fields, plains, mountains and urban centers of the USA or via ballot boxes.

Bingo! It's obviously difficult for the low information unthinkers in Estonia and the UK to comprehend how our system works since they've already surrendered their sovereignty to the EU and to the Muslims. London is now nearly lost and yet these buffoons wish to lecture their cousins who they are clearly jealous of.

No doubt they will be begging us for assistance, yet again, in the next World War. Mind you they are so deep in their propaganda of being "safe" and without the anxiety of their coming doom that they only scoff at the writing on the wall.

+1 Badda Bing - Badda Bang - Badda Boom!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on May 09, 2016, 08:37:26 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 09, 2016, 07:50:57 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 09, 2016, 07:32:49 AM
In the Americas North to South we can do political battle with either Ballots or Bullets.

With bullets, you get a bloody mess and dictators often for life (Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, etc).

With Ballots, every dollar is a soldier and to win Battles and Political Campaigns (wars) you need a large army and a competent General (Candidate).

With the advent of the Global TV networks and the Internet to influence and win voters - those with the best candidate and populist policies combined with the best opposition research (Attack Ads) usually wins.

Make no mistake this is modern warfare and why small guerilla skirmishers (esoteric small little-known parties above) are usually crushed as was the case in European medieval eras.

Would you rather have ballots or bullets in the USA the world's largest Nuclear Armed Democratic Duopoly?

Is a parliamentary government more inclusive... perhaps - but is a system that can be dissolved with a no-confidence vote the best way to manage a country that spans two oceans 50+ states and territories and with politically diverse parties and peoples that often hate each other?

Each party has its factions Conservative, Globalist, Nationalist, Libertarian, Patriots or Socialists, Communists, Big Government Open Borders Soroists with influence by either Kochist Oligarchs or populists in each half of the approved Deep State Establishment Duopoly.

Say what you will the Duopoly ensures stability and proper Ballots vs Bullets elections every 4 years with the in-power party limited via constitutional checks and balances and the out party waiting patiently to get even.

We see in the EU that there are corrosive and psychotic socially suicidal outcomes to the "superior" or more inclusive Parliamentary process that encompasses all viewpoints and culminates in Radical Islamist Invasions of the liberal European paradises now being prepped for a Sharia conversion over the next 20 to 50 years. Huh??? Clearly an imperfect system as well.

Political systems invented by Humans are subject to human flaws and imperfections.

Given the choice of Ballots versus Bullets, I will take our current Duopoly that gives us a true American patriot to fight against a corrupt Deep State militant feminist Globalist Soros Traitor and her CGI Crime Cartel influence peddling "foundation".

The current system may not be perfect but it gives everyone a voice if they want it and encourages us all to go to the ballot box rather than the village green to form up as anti redcoat militias with flintlocks and or more lethal AR-15s.

The choice is simple, do real battle in the woods, fields, plains, mountains and urban centers of the USA or via ballot boxes.

Bingo! It's obviously difficult for the low information unthinkers in Estonia and the UK to comprehend how our system works since they've already surrendered their sovereignty to the EU and to the Muslims. London is now nearly lost and yet these buffoons wish to lecture their cousins who they are clearly jealous of.

No doubt they will be begging us for assistance, yet again, in the next World War. Mind you they are so deep in their propaganda of being "safe" and without anxiety of their coming doom that they only scoff at the writing on the wall.

First of all, a well written piece by Cuffy so fair play. It confirms the difference in mentality between two continents separated by the Atlantic and that's not an insult btw. Bullets or ballots fair enough but justifying the situation where a middle earner feels that they need to throw thousands of his hard earned just to try and secure political ideology....then that's alien.

My point initially was that our democratic system allows all of society to have its say, irrespective of their income. I'd say that makes for a fairer society and is an inclusive way to run a democracy. I acknowledge that wealthy party donors stump up over here too and no doubt a bit of return is expected but it's reasonably transparent in comparison.

Ant, you just waded in and spouted guff. Did you here anything about the Brexit referendum? This means that all voters will have a say in our sovereignty and decide whether the EU has changed and become something we no longer wish to be part of. I'm not particularly over the hill about the new London mayor but its also something that doesn't effect me or make any difference to the rest of the country. Visit London some time and you'll see all isn't lost. It might not be a white racist blokes utopia but its a great city to visit....you probably wont get shot either!

Having read this thread I now understand your politics better and I'm glad you're happy with it. I don't think its particularly inclusive, fair or democratic and I also find it hypocritical that you drop bombs on peoples heads in the name of democracy considering how the US is run...........but I also doubt I'll be coming cap in hand anytime soon looking for your assistance either.

If WW3 kicks off then it'll no doubt be started by you lot anyway.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 08:47:34 AM

A post-mortem examination of the 2016 Republican Presidential Primary process confirms the writings of Dr. Bonhoeffer.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 09, 2016, 08:52:17 AM

Quote from: rosco on May 09, 2016, 08:37:26 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 09, 2016, 07:50:57 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on May 09, 2016, 07:32:49 AM
In the Americas North to South we can do political battle with either Ballots or Bullets.

With bullets, you get a bloody mess and dictators often for life (Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, etc).

With Ballots, every dollar is a soldier and to win Battles and Political Campaigns (wars) you need a large army and a competent General (Candidate).

With the advent of the Global TV networks and the Internet to influence and win voters - those with the best candidate and populist policies combined with the best opposition research (Attack Ads) usually wins.

Make no mistake this is modern warfare and why small guerilla skirmishers (esoteric small little-known parties above) are usually crushed as was the case in European medieval eras.

Would you rather have ballots or bullets in the USA the world's largest Nuclear Armed Democratic Duopoly?

Is a parliamentary government more inclusive... perhaps - but is a system that can be dissolved with a no-confidence vote the best way to manage a country that spans two oceans 50+ states and territories and with politically diverse parties and peoples that often hate each other?

Each party has its factions Conservative, Globalist, Nationalist, Libertarian, Patriots or Socialists, Communists, Big Government Open Borders Soroists with influence by either Kochist Oligarchs or populists in each half of the approved Deep State Establishment Duopoly.

Say what you will the Duopoly ensures stability and proper Ballots vs Bullets elections every 4 years with the in-power party limited via constitutional checks and balances and the out party waiting patiently to get even.

We see in the EU that there are corrosive and psychotic socially suicidal outcomes to the "superior" or more inclusive Parliamentary process that encompasses all viewpoints and culminates in Radical Islamist Invasions of the liberal European paradises now being prepped for a Sharia conversion over the next 20 to 50 years. Huh??? Clearly an imperfect system as well.

Political systems invented by Humans are subject to human flaws and imperfections.

Given the choice of Ballots versus Bullets, I will take our current Duopoly that gives us a true American patriot to fight against a corrupt Deep State militant feminist Globalist Soros Traitor and her CGI Crime Cartel influence peddling "foundation".

The current system may not be perfect but it gives everyone a voice if they want it and encourages us all to go to the ballot box rather than the village green to form up as anti redcoat militias with flintlocks and or more lethal AR-15s.

The choice is simple, do real battle in the woods, fields, plains, mountains and urban centers of the USA or via ballot boxes.

Bingo! It's obviously difficult for the low information unthinkers in Estonia and the UK to comprehend how our system works since they've already surrendered their sovereignty to the EU and to the Muslims. London is now nearly lost and yet these buffoons wish to lecture their cousins who they are clearly jealous of.

No doubt they will be begging us for assistance, yet again, in the next World War. Mind you they are so deep in their propaganda of being "safe" and without anxiety of their coming doom that they only scoff at the writing on the wall.

First of all, a well written piece by Cuffy so fair play. It confirms the difference in mentality between two continents separated by the Atlantic and that's not an insult btw. Bullets or ballots fair enough but justifying the situation where a middle earner feels that they need to throw thousands of his hard earned just to try and secure political ideology....then that's alien.

My point initially was that our democratic system allows all of society to have its say, irrespective of their income. I'd say that makes for a fairer society and is an inclusive way to run a democracy. I acknowledge that wealthy party donors stump up over here too and no doubt a bit of return is expected but it's reasonably transparent in comparison.

Anteros, you just waded in and spouted guff. Did you here anything about the Brexit referendum? This means that all voters will have a say in our sovereignty and decide whether the EU has changed and become something we no longer wish to be part of. I'm not particularly over the hill about the new London mayor but its also something that doesn't effect me or make any difference to the rest of the country. Visit London some time and you'll see all isn't lost. It might not be a white racist blokes utopia but its a great city to visit....you probably wont get shot either!

Having read this thread I now understand your politics better and I'm glad you're happy with it. I don't think its particularly inclusive, fair or democratic and I also find it hypocritical that you drop bombs on peoples heads in the name of democracy considering how the US is run...........but I also doubt I'll be coming cap in hand anytime soon looking for your assistance either.

If WW3 kicks off then it'll no doubt be started by you lot anyway.

"You lot" started both the previous World Wars, and I expect you will continue with your inabilities to grow a Democracy void of internal strife.

Oh I won't get shot in London, will I? But I might get beheaded. I think I would prefer to get shot. :sick0012:

I am very familiar with Brexit and unlike the globalists I support it. I rather doubt if you will be able to overcome the power of the EU to squash your aspirations like a bug.

You've got more transparency and democracy in the UK? Keep drinking the Kool-Aid brother. Let's see if you can break free from the yoke of your masters in Brussels.

If you can do that then we can talk about the "democracy" in the UK. I seriously doubt it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 09, 2016, 08:55:43 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 08:47:34 AM

A post-mortem examination of the 2016 Republican Presidential Primary process confirms the writings of Dr. Bonhoeffer.

An even greater bunch of evil and uneducated fools resides in the Democratic party, and those who made a pledge to support the Republican nominee now refuse to keep their pledge -- such as Jeb Bush and Lindsey Graham. Both washed up and out of touch "establishment" types.

Those who refuse to support the Republican nominee in essence are voting for Hillary. Way to go!!! :party0011:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 09:02:26 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 09, 2016, 08:55:43 AM

Those who refuse to support the Republican nominee in essence are voting for Hillary. Way to go!!! :party0011:

You seem to have missed the point about stupidity . . . . . . . .

The Republican nominee needs to EARN our support. Not blindly expect it because he got 38% of the vote in the Republican primaries.

Sad fact is, a vote for Donald Trump is a vote for Hillary Clinton. The die was already cast on May 3rd. You're going to see that in November. Be proud guys, you put her in the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 09:22:55 AM

Donald Trump answers the question: What is 2+2?

"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. And all these people who ask me about this love me. They're part of the millions of people who have voted for me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. Oh my God, I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 09, 2016, 11:23:12 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 09:22:55 AM

Donald Trump answers the question: What is 2+2?

"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. And all these people who ask me about this love me. They're part of the millions of people who have voted for me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. Oh my God, I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."

Really Shakes, must you stoop so low as to reprint a satire on Trump as a real quote?

Read on... http://www.attn.com/stories/6407/george-takei-impersonates-donald-trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 09, 2016, 11:25:52 AM

A somewhat long but somewhat interesting article comparing Alexander Hamilton to Donald Trump.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/09/hamiltonian-8-words-tell-donald-trump-serious/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 11:28:31 AM

Quote from: bagalia on May 09, 2016, 11:23:12 AM

Really Shakes, must you stoop so low as to reprint a satire on Trump as a real quote?

Since it is structured almost exactly like every other reply from Trump when questions are put by the media to him I can understand your confusion.

However, yes Scott, the quote is satire.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 11:30:45 AM

Waiting for one of the forum "Trumpists" to comment on the 30-day polar difference replies given to how he was going to handle the national debt.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 09, 2016, 11:46:44 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 08, 2016, 10:00:21 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 09:33:00 PM
"Trump just admitted on CNBC that America has too much debt to afford a rate hike, and that he wants our creditors to accept less than 100 cents on their Treasuries," the Euro Pacific Capital CEO explained on CNBC's " Futures Now " last week. "In other words, Trump knows a U.S. government default is inevitable."

What are you talking about?

Less than 30 days ago he was claiming he could eliminate all $19 trillion in US debt in 8 years!
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35974537

The man changes his story at the drop of a hat and nobody seems to call him on it.

He's a serial liar.

How can anyone even possibly believe that this charlatan could be an effective President?

I agree that a rate hike is inevitable. The weakening of our currency and the hyper-inflation needed to pay down our debt will be the burden we all will bear for our uncontrolled spending for the last 16 years. We can print money fast enough to pay the debt off but we MUST cut spending so that we do not have to re-issue the debt at the sharply higher interest rates.

AND/OR we need to grow the economy at a 4% -6% annual rate for several years to increase tax revenues while cutting overall spending.

The Sovereign Investor May 7th, 2016 Newsletter:

Bottom Line - 8 years of Obamanomics and a 2008/09 meltdown is quite likely before 2016 year end like 2008.

This is the weakest recovery in USA history due to the many crushing tax increases, costly onerous OSHA, EPA and myriad Federal and State regulations and brutally costly mandates like ACA and OFCCP militant diversity social justice warrior workforce modification laws ... it is illegal to hire only the best without workforce diversity complexion management... result a flood of jobs going offshore and the rate of offshoring increasing dramatically especially to $5 Hr Mexico and cheap rail and Truck transport of goods back to USA markets - with mandatory Mexicartels controlled highly addictive drugs (Heroin, Cocaine, Crystal Meth) hidden in said trucks and rail cars. New Hampshire on the Canadian border had over 443 heroin deaths in the past 12 months. The closer you get to the NarcoMex border the worse this becomes.

And now we get:

Death Threats From the Fed
By Jocelynn Smith, Sr. Managing Editor

More economic numbers rolled in this week, and they weren’t good. The cliff is crumbling under our feet, and I think it’s too late to back away from the edge — particularly when the Fed is whispering about more rate hikes this year that could almost certainly kill our tepid recovery stone-cold dead.

Earlier in the week, Automatic Data Processing (ADP) released its monthly employment report that showed employers adding 156,000 jobs in April — the slowest since February 2014 and widely missing the Street estimate of 193,000. What’s worse, all the jobs that were added were in the service industry — a sector not exactly known for high-paying jobs.

On the other hand, goods producers lost 11,000 jobs and manufacturers shed 13,000.

So we have another instance of high-paying job cuts, only to be replaced with low-paying service positions. This is not how you get an economy to bounce back.

All in all, April was an incredibly cruel month for the American worker. While ADP pointed out that the service sector was adding jobs, the retail sector was essentially beaten with a layoff stick. Here are just some of the cuts and closures announced in April:

Aeropostale filed for bankruptcy protection and announced plans to close 154 stores.

Sears announced that it’s closing 78 Sears and Kmart stores.

American Apparel announced plans to lay off 500 workers (11.6% of staff).

L Brands plans to restructure Victoria’s Secret and cut roughly 200 jobs.

Nordstrom is slashing up to 400 jobs due to slow sales.

Coach plans 300 job cuts.

Sports Authority has filed for bankruptcy protection and announced plans to close 140 stores, but it is considering closing all stores.
And it wasn’t just the retail sector that’s taking a beating from America’s poor economic recovery…

Chevron announced another 1,000 job cuts, bringing total layoffs to 8,000 (12% of workforce).

Halliburton cut more than 6,000 jobs in the first quarter and slashed its workforce by nearly one-third since oil started tumbling in late 2014.

Alcoa cut 600 jobs in the previous quarter, planning for an additional 400 cuts and could consider 1,000 more layoffs.

Lockheed Martin plans to lay off 1,500 workers.

Caterpillar announced plans to close five U.S. plants and shed 820 positions — part of the company’s broader plan to slash its workforce by 10,000 jobs and close or consolidate 20 facilities through 2018.

Intel announced plans to lay off 12,000 people (11% of workforce).
In fact, U.S. productivity dropped by 1% in the first quarter, marking the fourth decline in six quarters. In the past year, productivity has inched 0.6% higher, significantly lagging behind our historic pace of 2.2%.

While the economy continues to limp toward the edge that will finally send us tumbling back into recession, there remains a key pocket of growth that more investors are adding to their portfolios: gold. As Jeff Opdyke has pointed out on more than one occasion, gold is your insurance policy against economic collapse and government idiocy.

Since the start of 2016, gold is up roughly 21%, while stocks are slipping back into negative territory for the year. What’s more, silver has flexed its muscles, adding close to 26%. Adding exposure to these commodities and others will help to diversify your holdings and offer some protection as growth continues to slow.
http://thesovereigninvestor.com/investment-opportunities/time-add-metals/

Regards,

Jocelynn Smith
Sr. Managing Editor, Sovereign Investor Daily

P.S. If you missed some of last week’s Sovereign ideas, please see our commentaries below:

The Housing Sector Is Waving Red Flags
Leading indicators for the housing sector are raising warning flags, but Wall Street refuses to pay them any heed. However, you can use these forward-looking data to make one simple trade to take advantage of the situation. Chad Shoop takes a closer look at how you can profit from the cracks that have begun to show in the foundation for the housing sector. Click here to read the full story. http://thesovereigninvestor.com/us-economy/housing-sector-waving-red-flags/

In conclusion Donald Trump is the master of leverage and debt management and the Deep State and their Fed and Treasury tools have been pumping up the US economy on zirp policies for so long that it is like a Drugs pusher selling a dying heroin addict one last fix (Clintons and Obamanomics solutions to placate their Globalist Banksters - Rothschilds, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, BoA-Merrill Lynch, Fed etc.).

Trump knows that the USA and global economy are beyond the point of the staw that breaks a camels back and the only way to deal with the USAs and EU debt is the same way the Gov dealt with GM's massive antiquated pensions - Put GM in bankruptcy and reorganize by wiping out GM's phat rich pensions negotiated in the 50s 60s and 70s but unsustainable in a competitive Globalized World Economy.

The EU (Germany France Italy), UK, China, Japan, Korea, Saudis, Middle East, Mexico, South America and Asia have maintained a severe balance of payments surplus in excess of $1 Trillion USD per year at the expense and deficit of the USA singing the mantra of Free Trade and cheap goods for the gluttonous American Consumers.... to the tune of $Trillion a year in Trade Imbalances that is multiplied in the USA's rapidly increasing and unsustainable levels of National Debt and Unfunded Liabilities. If the USA were to go back to traditional levels of interest that incentivize savings of 5% to 10% CD interest rates - the debt service on the National Debt would dwarf DoD and major Entitlement programs budget line items - thus the insane and unsustainable Nirp and Zirp rates of today. Economic smoke and mirrors that would rival a Vegas Master Magician's illusions.

This is what rigid "conservative" ideologues like Shakes, the Bushes, Karl Rove, Mutt Romney and Paul $2.3 Trillion Omnibus Budget Ryan have swaped the US with.

News flash the American Consumer does not a new Android or iPhone every year when they are built to last for 20 years... or a new Car every year when Toyotas, Lexus and Mercedes or VWs and Volvos are built to last 20 years versus US and Chinese and cheaper EE brands that rust out and disintegrate after 5 years.

The rest of the world can take their cheap crap and eff off and focus on good old fashioned American Quality based to last without built in obsolescence and mountains of trash. The time to take harsh medicine is now and that is renegotiating the Globalist banksters unsustainable debt foisted on the US people and businesses by the Deep State Elites and their puppets at the Treasury and the Fed as well as the IRS.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 09, 2016, 12:07:02 PM

So Shakespear, when are you going to cut Anteros a check?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 12:11:30 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 09, 2016, 12:07:02 PM

So Shakespear, when are you going to cut Anteros a check?

Actually that's between Anteros and me but rest assured, I ALWAYS pay losing bets just like I always expect to get paid when I win.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on May 09, 2016, 12:13:45 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 09, 2016, 11:46:44 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 08, 2016, 10:00:21 PM
Quote from: Anteros on May 08, 2016, 09:33:00 PM
"Trump just admitted on CNBC that America has too much debt to afford a rate hike, and that he wants our creditors to accept less than 100 cents on their Treasuries," the Euro Pacific Capital CEO explained on CNBC's " Futures Now " last week. "In other words, Trump knows a U.S. government default is inevitable."

What are you talking about?

Less than 30 days ago he was claiming he could eliminate all $19 trillion in US debt in 8 years!
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35974537

The man changes his story at the drop of a hat and nobody seems to call him on it.

He's a serial liar.

How can anyone even possibly believe that this charlatan could be an effective President?

I agree that a rate hike is inevitable. The weakening of our currency and the hyper-inflation needed to pay down our debt will be the burden we all will bear for our uncontrolled spending for the last 16 years. We can print money fast enough to pay the debt off but we MUST cut spending so that we do not have to re-issue the debt at the sharply higher interest rates.

AND/OR we need to grow the economy at a 4% -6% annual rate for several years to increase tax revenues while cutting overall spending.

The Sovereign Investor May 7th, 2016 Newsletter:

Bottom Line - 8 years of Obamanomics and a 2008/09 meltdown is quite likely before 2016 year end like 2008.

This is the weakest recovery in USA history due to the many crushing tax increases, costly onerous OSHA, EPA and myriad Federal and State regulations and brutally costly mandates like ACA and OFCCP militant diversity social justice warrior workforce modification laws ... it is illegal to hire only the best without workforce diversity complexion management... result a flood of jobs going offshore and the rate of offshoring increasing dramatically especially to $5 Hr Mexico and cheap rail and Truck transport of goods back to USA markets - with mandatory Mexicartels controlled highly addictive drugs (Heroin, Cocaine, Crystal Meth) hidden in said trucks and rail cars. New Hampshire on the Canadian border had over 443 heroin deaths in the past 12 months. The closer you get to the NarcoMex border the worse this becomes.

And now we get:

Death Threats From the Fed
By Jocelynn Smith, Sr. Managing Editor

More economic numbers rolled in this week, and they weren’t good. The cliff is crumbling under our feet, and I think it’s too late to back away from the edge — particularly when the Fed is whispering about more rate hikes this year that could almost certainly kill our tepid recovery stone-cold dead.

Earlier in the week, Automatic Data Processing (ADP) released its monthly employment report that showed employers adding 156,000 jobs in April — the slowest since February 2014 and widely missing the Street estimate of 193,000. What’s worse, all the jobs that were added were in the service industry — a sector not exactly known for high-paying jobs.

On the other hand, goods producers lost 11,000 jobs and manufacturers shed 13,000.

So we have another instance of high-paying job cuts, only to be replaced with low-paying service positions. This is not how you get an economy to bounce back.

All in all, April was an incredibly cruel month for the American worker. While ADP pointed out that the service sector was adding jobs, the retail sector was essentially beaten with a layoff stick. Here are just some of the cuts and closures announced in April:

Aeropostale filed for bankruptcy protection and announced plans to close 154 stores.

Sears announced that it’s closing 78 Sears and Kmart stores.

American Apparel announced plans to lay off 500 workers (11.6% of staff).

L Brands plans to restructure Victoria’s Secret and cut roughly 200 jobs.

Nordstrom is slashing up to 400 jobs due to slow sales.

Coach plans 300 job cuts.

Sports Authority has filed for bankruptcy protection and announced plans to close 140 stores, but it is considering closing all stores.
And it wasn’t just the retail sector that’s taking a beating from America’s poor economic recovery…

Chevron announced another 1,000 job cuts, bringing total layoffs to 8,000 (12% of workforce).

Halliburton cut more than 6,000 jobs in the first quarter and slashed its workforce by nearly one-third since oil started tumbling in late 2014.

Alcoa cut 600 jobs in the previous quarter, planning for an additional 400 cuts and could consider 1,000 more layoffs.

Lockheed Martin plans to lay off 1,500 workers.

Caterpillar announced plans to close five U.S. plants and shed 820 positions — part of the company’s broader plan to slash its workforce by 10,000 jobs and close or consolidate 20 facilities through 2018.

Intel announced plans to lay off 12,000 people (11% of workforce).
In fact, U.S. productivity dropped by 1% in the first quarter, marking the fourth decline in six quarters. In the past year, productivity has inched 0.6% higher, significantly lagging behind our historic pace of 2.2%.

While the economy continues to limp toward the edge that will finally send us tumbling back into recession, there remains a key pocket of growth that more investors are adding to their portfolios: gold. As Jeff Opdyke has pointed out on more than one occasion, gold is your insurance policy against economic collapse and government idiocy.

Since the start of 2016, gold is up roughly 21%, while stocks are slipping back into negative territory for the year. What’s more, silver has flexed its muscles, adding close to 26%. Adding exposure to these commodities and others will help to diversify your holdings and offer some protection as growth continues to slow.
http://thesovereigninvestor.com/investment-opportunities/time-add-metals/

Regards,

Jocelynn Smith
Sr. Managing Editor, Sovereign Investor Daily

P.S. If you missed some of last week’s Sovereign ideas, please see our commentaries below:

The Housing Sector Is Waving Red Flags
Leading indicators for the housing sector are raising warning flags, but Wall Street refuses to pay them any heed. However, you can use these forward-looking data to make one simple trade to take advantage of the situation. Chad Shoop takes a closer look at how you can profit from the cracks that have begun to show in the foundation for the housing sector. Click here to read the full story. http://thesovereigninvestor.com/us-economy/housing-sector-waving-red-flags/

In conclusion Donald Trump is the master of leverage and debt management and the Deep State and their Fed and Treasury tools have been pumping up the US economy on zirp policies for so long that it is like a Drugs pusher selling a dying heroin addict one last fix (Clintons and Obamanomics solutions to placate their Globalist Banksters - Rothschilds, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, BoA-Merrill Lynch, Fed etc.).

Trump knows that the USA and global economy are beyond the point of the staw that breaks a camels back and the only way to deal with the USAs and EU debt is the same way the Gov dealt with GM's massive antiquated pensions - Put GM in bankruptcy and reorganize by wiping out GM's phat rich pensions negotiated in the 50s 60s and 70s but unsustainable in a competitive Globalized World Economy.

The EU (Germany France Italy), UK, China, Japan, Korea, Saudis, Middle East, Mexico, South America and Asia have maintained a severe balance of payments surplus in excess of $1 Trillion USD per year at the expense and deficit of the USA singing the mantra of Free Trade and cheap goods for the gluttonous American Consumers.... to the tune of $Trillion a year in Trade Imbalances that is multiplied in the USA's rapidly increasing and unsustainable levels of National Debt and Unfunded Liabilities. If the USA were to go back to traditional levels of interest that incentivize savings of 5% to 10% CD interest rates - the debt service on the National Debt would dwarf DoD and major Entitlement programs budget line items - thus the insane and unsustainable Nirp and Zirp rates of today. Economic smoke and mirrors that would rival a Vegas Master Magician's illusions.

This is what rigid "conservative" ideologues like Shakes, the Bushes, Karl Rove, Mutt Romney and Paul $2.3 Trillion Omnibus Budget Ryan have swaped the US with.

News flash the American Consumer does not a new Android or iPhone every year when they are built to last for 20 years... or a new Car every year when Toyotas, Lexus and Mercedes or VWs and Volvos are built to last 20 years versus US and Chinese and cheaper EE brands that rust out and disintegrate after 5 years.

The rest of the world can take their cheap crap and eff off and focus on good old fashioned American Quality based to last without built in obsolescence and mountains of trash. The time to take harsh medicine is now and that is renegotiating the Globalist banksters unsustainable debt foisted on the US people and businesses by the Deep State Elites and their puppets at the Treasury and the Fed as well as the IRS.

All this is due to the cost of labour, the inefficiency/ineffectiveness of the labour force, the quality of US products/services not up to the standards acceptable, and the heavy unionisation of the workforce...

The US really does need a businessman, and not a politician to sort the country out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 09, 2016, 01:01:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 09:02:26 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 09, 2016, 08:55:43 AM
Those who refuse to support the Republican nominee in essence are voting for Hillary. Way to go!!! :party0011:

You seem to have missed the point about stupidity . . . . . . . .

The Republican nominee needs to EARN our support. Not blindly expect it because he got 38% of the vote in the Republican primaries.

Sad fact is, a vote for Donald Trump is a vote for Hillary Clinton. The die was already cast on May 3rd. You're going to see that in November. Be proud guys, you put her in the White House.

This remains to be seen one way or the other. Trump has confused and amazed all of the pundits so far.

On another note I am pleased to report that Shakespear is a man of his word. Today I received a check for the amount per the terms of our bet -- thank you.

I had a hunch but clearly I also had some really weird fortune on my side. Never in the history of American politics has a man (Trump) been able to say the strange things that he said, and gather more and more support for doing it.

I believe it's a clear indication that the American people want change, and we can see the same sentiment on the Democratic side of the process as well, because Bernie Sanders continues to gather votes and states he will challenge Hillary all the way to their convention.

May God help us all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 09, 2016, 01:07:08 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 09, 2016, 11:23:12 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 09:22:55 AM
Donald Trump answers the question: What is 2+2?

"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. And all these people who ask me about this love me. They're part of the millions of people who have voted for me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. Oh my God, I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."

Really Shakes, must you stoop so low as to reprint a satire on Trump as a real quote?

Read on... http://www.attn.com/stories/6407/george-takei-impersonates-donald-trump

I thought it was hilarious! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 09, 2016, 01:11:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 11:30:45 AM

Waiting for one of the forum "Trumpists" to comment on the 30-day polar difference replies given to how he was going to handle the national debt.

Admittedly Trump has a strange way of communicating, but I understand it. On the one hand he's always talking about something as if it's a negotiation, so he's giving a worse case scenario. Then he switches to a best case scenario.

He's obviously not a polished politician. Essentially what he is doing is thinking out loud, and it drives some people crazy. Others like it because of the bluntness and honesty of it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 02:17:17 PM

Ryan offered to step down at Chairman of the Republican Convention if Trump wishes . . . . . . . . .

As they say in the game of chess, "Check"

:nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 02:22:41 PM

Saw a couple of tapes with Sarah Palin this weekend -

That woman is beyond question, "bat-shit crazy"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 09, 2016, 02:37:18 PM

First, when listening to Trump you must keep in mind that he does not use a teleprompter. Trump speaks off the cuff like a average human being. For way too long we have been bombarded with pretty speeches containing carefully polled words and confusing details that lead nowhere. Yes, Trump is not a politician. How a person says something is not the real issue. What they want to do is the issue.

So next, realize that Trump is a clear danger to the status quo. Both party's contribute to this mess where we can cut back on the debt by cutting back on next years raise which is too large anyway. Every year there is a discussion on how we can cut back on things and yet every year we raise the debt. We talk of immigration during elections and then grant amnesty to millions after. Most everything is talk and no walk. Trump is a clear danger in the sense that he may really cause a change. Anything you hear back from the establishment will be to destroy Trump before he upsets the establishment and business as usual.

You must be wary of which news media is doing the cut, paste and analysis. This little fake quote by George (star trek) Takei went viral with thousands of the rank and file believing it for a real quote. Republicans are only cutting their own balls off.

Know that Trump is not a real Republican. He is a mix and all party's. All party's contain good points. Points that lead elections over and over again. If one party were to change and grab onto all the good points it just might change the whole party system. It might change and raise the Republican platform or it can destroy it. There is a choice. They will fight it to the end.

Most of all understand that Trump offers a blueprint which is open for negotiation. He has stressed the word negotiation enough by now that you must always keep it in mind. Trump is not a king or dictator. He knows there are limits to power and he cannot just decree things. It is the same with the debt as it is with taxes. He makes an offer and then must get the best deal he can with congress and the senate. His offer will be high and radical.

In this way do not go bonkers as to how he will destroy the nation. What he WILL do is actually create a change in several areas of importance. There will be discussion and negotiation along the way but he will try to force something to be done instead of putting things off for the next budget fight or election.

I think that along the way you will find that there are others who will join the discussions and many will have the same ideas as he has only they were never given the coverage to do so. You will find his ideas are not so crazy and that they can be approached in a careful manner if everybody gets involved in solving the problems.

At this moment a vote for Trump may mean a vote for Hillary but once the general election begins, a vote for Trump will be a vote against Hillary. Hillary will not build a wall or turn on illegal immigrants and she will raise the ceiling as any good party person on either side will do.

You will soon see that Trump is not as dumb as you may think he is. Watch what he does to gain the support of congress and the senate. You may not like how he does it but you may be as amazed as everyone was at how Cruz worked the system on delegates. Trump is not a politician but he understands a few things about government and negotiation that may surprise you. He needs the congress and senate. In case you have not watched the news lately what is happening since yesterday is the start of his negotiation with Ryan. I think Ryan will cave given a few more days and be supportive. Trump is a fighter and we have not seen a fighter in a long time. This also spells defeat for Hillary.

Hopefully this will help in understanding any supposed flip flops that are not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 09, 2016, 04:36:37 PM

Jindal once called Donald Trump ‘a madman who must be stopped.’ Now he’s endorsing him for president

https://www.yahoo.com/news/jindal-endorses-trump-162008441.html

Wonder how long before Shakespeare will hold out? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 09, 2016, 07:12:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 02:22:41 PM

Saw a couple of tapes with Sarah Palin this weekend -

That woman is beyond question, "bat-shit crazy"

I much prefer her "bat-shit crazy" type to that of Hillary. Think of it. Reagan himself said that the best offense is a good defense and he built up our military which resulted in us not having to use it.

Sarah Palin might talk tough be I see her as similar to Reagan -- build up the military but don't use it unless as a last resort.

Anyways Sarah is not running for President but Hillary is.

What is your analysis of Hillary?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 09, 2016, 07:16:13 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 09, 2016, 02:37:18 PM

First, when listening to Trump you must keep in mind that he does not use a teleprompter. Trump speaks off the cuff like a average human being. For way too long we have been bombarded with pretty speeches containing carefully polled words and confusing details that lead nowhere. Yes, Trump is not a politician. How a person says something is not the real issue. What they want to do is the issue.

So next, realize that Trump is a clear danger to the status quo. Both party's contribute to this mess where we can cut back on the debt by cutting back on next years raise which is too large anyway. Every year there is a discussion on how we can cut back on things and yet every year we raise the debt. We talk of immigration during elections and then grant amnesty to millions after. Most everything is talk and no walk. Trump is a clear danger in the sense that he may really cause a change. Anything you hear back from the establishment will be to destroy Trump before he upsets the establishment and business as usual.

You must be wary of which news media is doing the cut, paste and analysis. This little fake quote by George (star trek) Takei went viral with thousands of the rank and file believing it for a real quote. Republicans are only cutting their own balls off.

Know that Trump is not a real Republican. He is a mix and all party's. All party's contain good points. Points that lead elections over and over again. If one party were to change and grab onto all the good points it just might change the whole party system. It might change and raise the Republican platform or it can destroy it. There is a choice. They will fight it to the end.

Most of all understand that Trump offers a blueprint which is open for negotiation. He has stressed the word negotiation enough by now that you must always keep it in mind. Trump is not a king or dictator. He knows there are limits to power and he cannot just decree things. It is the same with the debt as it is with taxes. He makes an offer and then must get the best deal he can with congress and the senate. His offer will be high and radical.

In this way do not go bonkers as to how he will destroy the nation. What he WILL do is actually create a change in several areas of importance. There will be discussion and negotiation along the way but he will try to force something to be done instead of putting things off for the next budget fight or election.

I think that along the way you will find that there are others who will join the discussions and many will have the same ideas as he has only they were never given the coverage to do so. You will find his ideas are not so crazy and that they can be approached in a careful manner if everybody gets involved in solving the problems.

At this moment a vote for Trump may mean a vote for Hillary but once the general election begins, a vote for Trump will be a vote against Hillary. Hillary will not build a wall or turn on illegal immigrants and she will raise the ceiling as any good party person on either side will do.

You will soon see that Trump is not as dumb as you may think he is. Watch what he does to gain the support of congress and the senate. You may not like how he does it but you may be as amazed as everyone was at how Cruz worked the system on delegates. Trump is not a politician but he understands a few things about government and negotiation that may surprise you. He needs the congress and senate. In case you have not watched the news lately what is happening since yesterday is the start of his negotiation with Ryan. I think Ryan will cave given a few more days and be supportive. Trump is a fighter and we have not seen a fighter in a long time. This also spells defeat for Hillary.

Hopefully this will help in understanding any supposed flip flops that are not.

Excellent post and I agree with your analysis. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 09, 2016, 08:31:33 PM

Military Times survey: Troops prefer Trump to Clinton by a huge margin

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/election/2016/05/09/military-times-survey-donald-trump-beats-hillary-clinton/84132402/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 08:47:14 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 09, 2016, 02:37:18 PM

First, when listening to Trump you must keep in mind that he does not use a teleprompter. Trump speaks off the cuff like a average human being. For way too long we have been bombarded with pretty speeches containing carefully polled words and confusing details that lead nowhere. Yes, Trump is not a politician. How a person says something is not the real issue. What they want to do is the issue.

The leader of the free world doesn't have the luxury of speaking off the cuff. Every word has to be measured and carefully chosen so as not to be misunderstood or its intent mistaken.

When his position of an issue swings wildly as he is basically thinking out loud, other leaders will be nervous. That's how wars get started.

He cannot afford the luxury of conducting himself in this manner. That is why he scares so many people.

Certainly you can understand this?

But not to worry. He doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning in November anyway.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 09, 2016, 09:52:07 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 08:47:14 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 09, 2016, 02:37:18 PM
First, when listening to Trump you must keep in mind that he does not use a teleprompter. Trump speaks off the cuff like a average human being. For way too long we have been bombarded with pretty speeches containing carefully polled words and confusing details that lead nowhere. Yes, Trump is not a politician. How a person says something is not the real issue. What they want to do is the issue.

The leader of the free world doesn't have the luxury of speaking off the cuff. Every word has to be measured and carefully chosen so as not to be misunderstood or its intent mistaken.

When his position of an issue swings wildly as he is basically thinking out loud, other leaders will be nervous. That's how wars get started.

He cannot afford the luxury of conducting himself in this manner. That is why he scares so many people.

Certainly you can understand this?

But not to worry. He doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning in November anyway.

Like Mexico may get insulted about the wall payment thing and declare war on us?

Or perhaps Trump gives Iran a warning like Putin, don't mess with USA as we are a nuclear country?

It might be a good thing if he insults North Korea.

But I am OK with other world leaders being nervous. It may be good for them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 10, 2016, 12:33:54 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 08:47:14 PM

But not to worry. He doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning in November anyway.

According to you he didn't have a snowballs chance in hell of wining the Republican nomination either.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 10, 2016, 12:35:42 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 02:22:41 PM

Saw a couple of tapes with Sarah Palin this weekend -

That woman is beyond question, "bat-shit crazy"

That I'll agree.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 10, 2016, 12:38:09 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 09, 2016, 07:12:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 02:22:41 PM
Saw a couple of tapes with Sarah Palin this weekend -

That woman is beyond question, "bat-shit crazy"

I much prefer her "bat-shit crazy" type to that of Hillary.

I agree there too plus she's got a good heart.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 10, 2016, 01:26:56 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 08:47:14 PM

The leader of the free world

America is led by the American president. Much of the rest of the world is free and led by others.

That is a phrase that is often misused to promote the idea of the non-existent exceptionalism over there. Elsewhere, the descriptor is regarded with humour.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 10, 2016, 02:09:52 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 10, 2016, 01:26:56 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 08:47:14 PM
The leader of the free world

America is led by the American president. Much of the rest of the world is free and led by others.

That is a phrase that is often misused to promote the idea of the non-existent exceptionalism over there. Elsewhere, the descriptor is regarded with humour.

Certainly when I use the term it is used with a knowing sense of irony that most non-Usaian English speakers would recognise. The absolute anachronism of any current usage signals the lack of serious intent in its use.

Same applies to the terms 'land of the the free' or 'home of the brave'. It is hard to imagine a non-Usaian using those words without tongue lodged firmly in cheek.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 10, 2016, 02:10:54 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 10, 2016, 12:38:09 AM

I agree there too plus she's got a good heart.

You really think so - or were you trying to make use of the irony brush in that word portrait?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 05:24:40 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 08:47:14 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 09, 2016, 02:37:18 PM
First, when listening to Trump you must keep in mind that he does not use a teleprompter. Trump speaks off the cuff like a average human being. For way too long we have been bombarded with pretty speeches containing carefully polled words and confusing details that lead nowhere. Yes, Trump is not a politician. How a person says something is not the real issue. What they want to do is the issue.

The leader of the free world doesn't have the luxury of speaking off the cuff. Every word has to be measured and carefully chosen so as not to be misunderstood or its intent mistaken.

When his position of an issue swings wildly as he is basically thinking out loud, other leaders will be nervous. That's how wars get started.

He cannot afford the luxury of conducting himself in this manner. That is why he scares so many people.

Certainly you can understand this?

But not to worry. He doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning in November anyway.

I will bet you a friendly $20.00 (twenty), even money, that Trump defeats Hillary in November. (This bet is contingent on Hillary being the nominee. If Hillary is not the nominee, the bet is off) What say you?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 05:26:59 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 10, 2016, 01:26:56 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 08:47:14 PM
The leader of the free world

America is led by the American president. Much of the rest of the world is free and led by others.

That is a phrase that is often misused to promote the idea of the non-existent exceptionalism over there. Elsewhere, the descriptor is regarded with humour.

So says the guy who would be speaking German and driving on the right side of the road, were it not for American exceptionalism.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 05:29:33 AM

Hey TomT, how do you like this poll?

http://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/polls/2016/05/10/quinnipiac-poll-trump-leads-clinton-ohio-tied-florida-pennsylvania/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 10, 2016, 07:18:00 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 05:29:33 AM

Hey TomT, how do you like this poll?

I like them just fine.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on May 10, 2016, 07:42:53 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 05:26:59 AM

So says the guy who would be speaking German and driving on the right side of the road, were it not for American exceptionalism.

:chuckle:

Best joke I heard in a long, long time.

First you come late to the party (after pearl harbour)

And when you guys finally joined, it was like this:

Quote

The United States did not have a smooth entry into the war against Nazi Germany. Early in 1943, the U.S. Army suffered a near-disastrous defeat at the Battle of the Kasserine Pass in February.

(wikipedia).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 10, 2016, 08:08:39 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 05:24:40 AM

I will bet you a friendly $20.00 (twenty), even money, that Trump defeats Hillary in November. (This bet is contingent on Hillary being the nominee. If Hillary is not the nominee, the bet is off) What say you?

Done.

BTW, if for some reason Trump DOES NOT emerge from the convention as the nominee, you owe me $310.

My contacts in Washington DC tell me this might not be over yet.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 08:58:40 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 10, 2016, 08:08:39 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 05:24:40 AM
I will bet you a friendly $20.00 (twenty), even money, that Trump defeats Hillary in November. (This bet is contingent on Hillary being the nominee. If Hillary is not the nominee, the bet is off) What say you?

Done.

BTW, if for some reason Trump DOES NOT emerge from the convention as the nominee, you owe me $310.

My contacts in Washington DC tell me this might not be over yet.

Did you mean to write $320? I would owe you $300.00. I could not owe you $320.00 because the 2nd bet is contingent on the final two being Clinton and Trump.

Yes I realize that a few desperate souls are still attempting to find a way to subvert the will of the people. I don't see it happening, although I did think of that possibility hence the $ is mostly in savings.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 09:04:41 AM

Quote from: Markje on May 10, 2016, 07:42:53 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 05:26:59 AM

So says the guy who would be speaking German and driving on the right side of the road, were it not for American exceptionalism.
:chuckle:

Best joke I heard in a long, long time.

First you come late to the party (after pearl harbour)

And when you guys finally joined, it was like this:

Quote
The United States did not have a smooth entry into the war against Nazi Germany. Early in 1943, the U.S. Army suffered a near-disastrous defeat at the Battle of the Kasserine Pass in February.

(wikipedia).

You guys never stop trying with the foolish propaganda. The United States of America had not moral or duty otherwise to get involved in yet another European conflicted, started by foolish Europeans.

In case you did not notice we live on the American continent, several thousand miles away from you dolts. We initially did our part by supplying the UK with arms. Without that assistance the UK would have been totally destroyed early in the war. I suggest you do some reading of actual history.

In regards to an early battle I would not expect fresh unproven American troops to fare well against the battle hardened Wehrmacht. Again, do some reading (not google) and perhaps you can learn something. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 10, 2016, 09:11:30 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 08:58:40 AM

Did you mean to write $320? I would owe you $300.00. I could not owe you $320.00 because the 2nd bet is contingent on the final two being Clinton and Trump.

No. $310.

The $300 I paid you in advance as a courtesy and the $10 from the original bet which you would lose if Trump was not the Republican Party nominee when the convention closed. $310 total.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 09:12:43 AM

Quote from: TomT on May 10, 2016, 07:18:00 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 05:29:33 AM
Hey TomT, how do you like this poll?

I like them just fine.

You do realize that Trump is already closing the gap, and yet he still has not emerged from the Republican convention with his choice of VP?

I can't wait to see the polls in September, when they will have real meaning.

He is already doing a number on Hillary and he's just getting warmed up. More importantly Hillary's history of lying to the American people and to mother's of dead soldiers, her extensive corruption and her attempts to destroy the livelihood of blue collar persons in West Virginia and elsewhere will come back to haunt her.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 09:13:45 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 10, 2016, 09:11:30 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 08:58:40 AM
Did you mean to write $320? I would owe you $300.00. I could not owe you $320.00 because the 2nd bet is contingent on the final two being Clinton and Trump.

No. $310.

The $300 I paid you in advance as a courtesy and the $10 from the original bet which you would lose if Trump was not the Republican Party nominee when the convention closed. $310 total.

Yes, that is correct. I need some more coffee! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 10, 2016, 09:14:35 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 09:04:41 AM

In regards to an early battle I would not expect fresh unproven American troops to fare well against the battle hardened Wehrmacht. Again, do some reading (not google) and perhaps you can learn something.

Didn't the German Army utterly defeat the British Expeditionary Force and entire French Army in the first two weeks of the war necessitating a sea withdraw at Dunkirk.

True Anteros, it takes a while to get an Army ready to fight.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 09:16:32 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 10, 2016, 09:14:35 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 09:04:41 AM
In regards to an early battle I would not expect fresh unproven American troops to fare well against the battle hardened Wehrmacht. Again, do some reading (not google) and perhaps you can learn something.

Didn't the German Army utterly defeat the British Expeditionary Force and entire French Army in the first two weeks of the war necessitating a sea withdraw at Dunkirk.

True Anteros, it takes a while to get an Army ready to fight.

Yes and Hitler foolishly refused to listen to his General's who wanted to capture the British at Dunkirk. Hitler thought that the British were "Gentlemen" and he didn't need to capture them! What a fool! He is the real reason the Germans lost the war!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 10, 2016, 09:50:13 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 10, 2016, 09:14:35 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 09:04:41 AM
In regards to an early battle I would not expect fresh unproven American troops to fare well against the battle hardened Wehrmacht. Again, do some reading (not google) and perhaps you can learn something.

Didn't the German Army utterly defeat the British Expeditionary Force and entire French Army in the first two weeks of the war necessitating a sea withdraw at Dunkirk.

True Anteros, it takes a while to get an Army ready to fight.

Dunkirk was 1940 I think, a year into WW2. Prior to that was The Phoney War, where nothing much happened really. We dropped leaflets on the Germans urging them to reject Hitler, etc....

I was reading Guy Gibson's book - the guy who lead the Dambusters, during this period he took his bomber up three hours earlier, dropped his bombs, just so he could get back in time for the last reel at the cinema. No planning whatsoever...

The evacuation of Dunkirk was a victory in itself.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 10, 2016, 11:22:25 AM

Just a note here since Sarah Palin's name has come up. Yes she is not the best of speakers though perhaps she has been ganged up on a bit unfairly. Still, she should be given some credit.

Look back on her wiki page at the very least. Palin rose from housewife to mayor to governor in Alaska. She was mainly concerned with ethics. She did a superb job in Alaska cutting the budget and even her own paycheck. Her approval rates were the highest in the nation. She fought and won battles against very powerful establishment politicians on both sides of the isle.

She was in return the subject of tons of lawsuits that crippled her and her administration. That is very Alaskan and somewhat the norm for others who buck the establishment. She had very little choice but to resign for the good of Alaska as well as to move on to the VP race with McCain. In the end she was cleared of any wrongdoing. She has a legacy for doing a lot of good for Alaska.

She is guilty of not being a good speaker but to a great degree she is a hero. She would make a better president than Trump but as she knows well, her reputation has been so maligned that it would be impossible. This is what you get for going against the flow and not being perfect.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 10, 2016, 02:13:55 PM

Yogi the Berra: Whoa aint Ovah till its Ovah ...

Cruz May Restart Campaign If He Wins Nebraska Primary

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/cruz-presidential-campaign-nebraska/2016/05/10/id/728103/

Cruz Cucking now that all but sure he is not the VP pick and Ryan trying to run and end around pattern at the GOP convention with the RNC rules and monies.

Is this a Cruz lifeline or a last gasp Nebraska showdown?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 10, 2016, 02:31:04 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 08, 2016, 11:15:37 AM

Why Trump has vanquished 16 Satanic Globalists - He has been anointed by God to champion the Christians world over and save the West from evil Islamists invasion.

Who saves America from a bloated draft dodger in heavy makeup?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 10, 2016, 04:16:44 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 05:26:59 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 10, 2016, 01:26:56 AM
Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 08:47:14 PM
The leader of the free world

America is led by the American president. Much of the rest of the world is free and led by others.

That is a phrase that is often misused to promote the idea of the non-existent exceptionalism over there. Elsewhere, the descriptor is regarded with humour.

So says the guy who would be speaking German and driving on the right side of the road, were it not for American exceptionalism.

I am well accomplished with driving on the other side of the road and can manage passable conversational German. What is your point?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 10, 2016, 04:19:52 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 10, 2016, 05:24:40 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2016, 08:47:14 PM
But not to worry. He doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning in November anyway.

I will bet you a friendly $20.00 (twenty), even money, that Trump defeats Hillary in November. (This bet is contingent on Hillary being the nominee. If Hillary is not the nominee, the bet is off) What say you?

I'll join Ant on that twenty bucks bet Shakey - same terms - if you want it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 10, 2016, 07:50:50 PM

OK where is TomCat with the latest news? Virginia and Indiana down now and Trump up something like 74 delegates. Washington, Oregon and New Mexico coming up fast not to mention California. Trump is going to take in a lot more delegates than he needs. Wonder if there is a record total in there somewhere.

In the news Trump's new video on Bengazi with Hillary laughing in the background.

Gucifer news about the Russians holding 2000 of Hillary's emails which definitely puts her at a minimum in trouble for storing sensitive info carelessly. I wonder if any of her people will go down for removing and sending them. This could be a big net.

New movie coming out just before the primary on the Hillary foundation and its crooked money.

Polls are showing Trump close to Hillary but could he beat Bernie?

It is such a beautiful day today here in Alaska. The sun will be out past 10PM.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 10, 2016, 08:09:26 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 10, 2016, 02:13:55 PM

Yogi the Berra: Whoa aint Ovah till its Ovah ...

Cruz May Restart Campaign If He Wins Nebraska Primary

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/cruz-presidential-campaign-nebraska/2016/05/10/id/728103/

Cruz Cucking now that all but sure he is not the VP pick and Ryan trying to run and end around pattern at the GOP convention with the RNC rules and monies.

Is this a Cruz lifeline or a last gasp Nebraska showdown?

Quote from: bagalia on May 10, 2016, 07:50:50 PM

OK where is TomCat with the latest news? Virginia and Indiana down now and Trump up something like 74 delegates. Washington, Oregon and New Mexico coming up fast not to mention California. Trump is going to take in a lot more delegates than he needs. Wonder if there is a record total in there somewhere.

In the news Trump's new video on Bengazi with Hillary laughing in the background.

Gucifer news about the Russians holding 2000 of Hillary's emails which definitely puts her at a minimum in trouble for storing sensitive info carelessly. I wonder if any of her people will go down for removing and sending them. This could be a big net.

New movie coming out just before the primary on the Hillary foundation and its crooked money.

Polls are showing Trump close to Hillary but could he beat Bernie?

It is such a beautiful day today here in Alaska. The sun will be out past 10PM.

I was waiting for Nebraska, which Trump won, looks like Cruz will not be resuming his campaign.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 11, 2016, 01:38:21 AM

"A new Quinnipiac poll tells the inconvenient truth. Trump and Hillary Clinton are tied in each of the three key swing states of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

The breakdown in Florida reveals how truly close the race is. As Politico puts it, Clinton has a 13-point advantage among women, 48 percent to 35 percent, while Trump’s lead among men is also 13 points, 49 percent to 36 percent. Each gets 39 percent of independent voters, while Trump wins big among whites, and Clinton wins big among nonwhites. The candidates have identical net negative approvals of minus 20 points, 37 percent to 57 percent."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 11, 2016, 08:13:01 AM

Suddenly I am not so worried.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-05-11%20at%206.03.16%20PM_zpsqbgqsrp5.png)

NEW DELHI (AP) — Donald Trump may find it tough to get Republican leaders behind his campaign, but he's got some faraway fans trying to get the gods on his side.

Around a dozen members of a right-wing Indian Hindu group lit a ritual fire and chanted mantras Wednesday asking the Hindu gods to help Trump win the U.S. presidential election.

While Trump has dominated the Republican primary race to decide the party's candidate for the November election, his calls for temporarily banning Muslims from America and cracking down on extremist groups abroad have earned him some fans in India.

"The whole world is screaming against Islamic terrorism, and even India is not safe from it," said Vishnu Gupta, founder of the Hindu Sena nationalist group. "Only Donald Trump can save humanity."

Members of the group gathered on a blanket spread out in a New Delhi protest park along with a collection of statues depicting gods including Shiva and Hanuman — as well as photos of a smiling Trump.

Above them hung a banner declaring support for Trump "because he is hope for humanity against Islamic terror."

The group chanted Sanskrit prayers asking the gods to favor Trump in the election, and threw offerings such as seeds, grass and ghee — or clarified butter — into a small ritual fire.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 11, 2016, 09:33:06 AM

Wow! Hillary is sinking like a rock in the sea.

Quote

Hillary Clinton is putting David Copperfield to shame with her vanishing voter trick.

Her base of support is disappearing right before our eyes, but unlike Copperfield, Clinton isn’t putting on an act.

On Tuesday, Clinton lost the West Virginia primary to 74-year-old socialist Bernie Sanders 51% to 36%.

That’s a stark contrast to 2008, when she trounced Barack Obama, 66.9% to 25.7% (John Edwards received 7.3%).

But perhaps what’s more shocking is the raw vote total.

In 2008, she received 240,890 votes. Yesterday, Clinton netted 84,176 votes, according to NBC — a 65% decline.

Other numbers show how the American landscape has shifted under Clinton’s feet.

According to data obtained at the polls yesterday, 33% of Democrats say they will vote for Donald Trump in November. Only 44% of Dems say they’ll vote Clinton. Twenty-one percent say they’ll support neither.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 11, 2016, 09:51:39 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 10, 2016, 04:19:52 PM

I'll join Ant on that twenty bucks bet Shakey - same terms - if you want it?

Done.

Anybody else?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 11, 2016, 11:29:06 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 11, 2016, 09:33:06 AM

Wow! Hillary is sinking like a rock in the sea.

Quote
Hillary Clinton is putting David Copperfield to shame with her vanishing voter trick.

Her base of support is disappearing right before our eyes, but unlike Copperfield, Clinton isn’t putting on an act.

On Tuesday, Clinton lost the West Virginia primary to 74-year-old socialist Bernie Sanders 51% to 36%.

That’s a stark contrast to 2008, when she trounced Barack Obama, 66.9% to 25.7% (John Edwards received 7.3%).

But perhaps what’s more shocking is the raw vote total.

In 2008, she received 240,890 votes. Yesterday, Clinton netted 84,176 votes, according to NBC — a 65% decline.

Other numbers show how the American landscape has shifted under Clinton’s feet.

According to data obtained at the polls yesterday, 33% of Democrats say they will vote for Donald Trump in November. Only 44% of Dems say they’ll vote Clinton. Twenty-one percent say they’ll support neither.

Trump will get Bernie's votes, or at least some. The rest will NOT vote for Hillary. She's done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 11, 2016, 11:44:37 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 11, 2016, 11:29:06 AM

Trump will get Bernie's votes, or at least some. The rest will NOT vote for Hillary. She's done.

All the proclamations made based on results from a state where Clinton outright stated that she was going to put 30-40% of the families in that state out of work?

How did you expect for them to vote?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 11, 2016, 12:00:20 PM

Why won't Trump release his tax returns?

1. Because they might prove he isn't as rich as he claims to be.

2. Because they might prove he is paying a tax rate lower than most Americans.

3. Because they might prove he actually isn't giving as much to charity as he claims.

The "Trumpists" won't care about this, but the Sander's supporters they're counting on for votes sure will.
:nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 11, 2016, 12:15:32 PM

You all are focused on Hillary vs Trump. Hillary is not only a Clinton but also a Cruz. She is crooked/smart enough to figure a way to become the nominee pulling it off through the super delegates. Bernie is in some ways like Trump with a late start. It is more likely that what the pundits saw for the Republicans will happen to the Democrats, a contested vote, violent demonstrations, an upset. She is being hit by both sides now and Trump will soon rise above her in the polls. The party and the people may turn against her for a candidate more likely to beat Trump.

Bernie is the one to be concerned about, or perhaps a third choice. The Bernie people will run to Trump but it's doubtful that Hillary's people will.

IMHO

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 11, 2016, 12:22:55 PM

Won't be long and Trump will have double digits lead over Clinton.

Wed May 11, 2016 | 12:53 PM EDT

Exclusive: Trump surges in support, almost even with Clinton in national U.S. poll

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0Y21TN

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 11, 2016, 01:43:24 PM

What are the exact terms of the bet, shakespear?

Is it about Trump beating Clinton in the popular vote (more total votes) or Trump winning the presidency in terms of electoral votes?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 11, 2016, 02:06:14 PM

Insightful Schiff on Trump:

Published on May 6, 2016
Peter Schiff on CNBC.com Futures Now 5/5/2016

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 11, 2016, 02:09:34 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 11, 2016, 12:00:20 PM

Why won't Trump release his tax returns?

1. Because they might prove he isn't as rich as he claims to be.

2. Because they might prove he is paying a tax rate lower than most Americans.

3. Because they might prove he actually isn't giving as much to charity as he claims.

The "Trumpists" won't care about this, but the Sander's supporters they're counting on for votes sure will.
:nod:

PURE Horsepuckies, Bullflops, Balderdash and Sour Grapes Defugalties from the disgruntled malcontent vanquished conservative PURISTS who have a track record of LOSING - Dole, McCain, Romney, Shakes etc.

Trumpists = Patriotic nationalists

Neocons/RINOS and misc Romney Conservative screw America Firsters = Globalist Traitors

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 11, 2016, 02:17:17 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 11, 2016, 01:43:24 PM

What are the exact terms of the bet, shakespear?

Is it about Trump beating Clinton in the popular vote (more total votes) or Trump winning the presidency in terms of electoral votes?

Winning the Presidency. Electoral college results.

Care to make a little wager :evilgrin0002:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 11, 2016, 02:19:29 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 11, 2016, 02:09:34 PM

PURE Horsepuckies, Bullflops, Balderdash and Sour Grapes Defugalties from the disgruntled malcontent vanquished conservative PURISTS who have a track record of LOSING - Dole, McCain, Romney, Shakes etc.

Trumpists = Patriotic nationalists

Neocons/RINOS and misc Romney Conservative screw America Firsters = Globalist Traitors

Er um Cuffy.

Just TODAY he said he would not release his tax returns until after the election. The reason he gave was that "they wouldn't tell people much".

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-wont-release-tax-returns-before-november/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 11, 2016, 02:22:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 11, 2016, 02:17:17 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 11, 2016, 01:43:24 PM
What are the exact terms of the bet, shakespear?

Is it about Trump beating Clinton in the popular vote (more total votes) or Trump winning the presidency in terms of electoral votes?

Winning the Presidency. Electoral college results.

So to put it into exact wording:

This bet is for $____.

Should:

1. Hillary be the Democratic Party candidate

and

2. Trump be the Republican Party candidate

and

3. Bernie Sanders not make a third party run

Then Trump will be elected President in November with the required number of Electoral College votes.

(EDIT to add)

Should the 3 conditions above not be met, either side can back out.
===

Is that fair in terms of wording?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 11, 2016, 02:34:26 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 11, 2016, 02:22:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 11, 2016, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: Slumba on May 11, 2016, 01:43:24 PM
What are the exact terms of the bet, shakespear?

Is it about Trump beating Clinton in the popular vote (more total votes) or Trump winning the presidency in terms of electoral votes?

Winning the Presidency. Electoral college results.

So to put it into exact wording:

This bet is for $____.

Should:

1. Hillary be the Democratic Party candidate

and

2. Trump be the Republican Party candidate

and

3. Bernie Sanders not make a third party run

Then Trump will be elected President in November with the required number of Electoral College votes.

(EDIT to add)

Should the 3 conditions above not be met, either side can back out.
===

Is that fair in terms of wording?

Holy Jesus Slumba.

Maybe we should each get lawyers . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

I'm assuming Hillary will be the Democrat nominee.

I'm assuming Trump will be the Republican nominee.

I take Hillary. You take Trump.

Third party candidates have no impact on the bet.

Panyatna?

In case you haven't heard, I don't welch on bets.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 11, 2016, 02:35:42 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 11, 2016, 02:34:26 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 11, 2016, 02:22:15 PM
Quote from: shakespear on May 11, 2016, 02:17:17 PM
Quote from: Slumba on May 11, 2016, 01:43:24 PM
What are the exact terms of the bet, shakespear?

Is it about Trump beating Clinton in the popular vote (more total votes) or Trump winning the presidency in terms of electoral votes?

Winning the Presidency. Electoral college results.

So to put it into exact wording:

This bet is for $____.

Should:

1. Hillary be the Democratic Party candidate

and

2. Trump be the Republican Party candidate

and

3. Bernie Sanders not make a third party run

Then Trump will be elected President in November with the required number of Electoral College votes.

(EDIT to add)

Should the 3 conditions above not be met, either side can back out.
===

Is that fair in terms of wording?

Holy Jesus Slumba.

Maybe we should each get lawyers . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

I'm assuming Hillary will be the Democrat nominee.

I'm assuming Trump will be the Republican nominee.

I take Hillary. You take Trump.

Third party candidates have no impact on the bet.

Panyatna?

So delete item 3?

No problem.

You say Hillary will win.

I say Trump will win.

$500 USD. Check to the winner once election is certified.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 11, 2016, 03:13:55 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 11, 2016, 02:35:42 PM

You say Hillary will win.

I say Trump will win.

$500 USD. Check to the winner once election is certified.

Done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 11, 2016, 03:45:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 11, 2016, 03:13:55 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 11, 2016, 02:35:42 PM
You say Hillary will win.

I say Trump will win.

$500 USD. Check to the winner once election is certified.

Done.

Slumba's got some H-U-G-E BALLS! And so does Shakespeare. Yes, Shakespeare is a stand-up guy, who pays as promised.

I really don't want to take too much of his money. :laugh: But seriously, I don't like to gamble. Small amounts are okay.

I wish you guys both good luck. Okay, I wish more luck to Slumba, because I'm a Trump supporter. :smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 12, 2016, 08:31:25 AM

Trump "getting the wood laid to him" on both sides of "the Hill" today.

Insert bit between the jaws. Pull back HARD!

He'll be walking a little funny when he greets the press at the end of the day. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 12, 2016, 08:35:47 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 12, 2016, 08:31:25 AM

Trump "getting the wood laid to him" on both sides of "the Hill" today.

Insert bit between the jaws. Pull back HARD!

He'll be walking a little funny when he greets the press at the end of the day. :laugh:

I think that you've clearly got Trump confused with Ryan.

Ryan reminds me of a spoiled two year old child attempting to tell his parents what to do. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 12, 2016, 10:35:30 AM

Quote from: Slumba on May 11, 2016, 02:22:15 PM

Is that fair in terms of wording?

I have a similar bet with a non-RUA friend of mine, and would recommend the following:

Exclusion of major 3rd Party run, i.e. not just Sanders, but figure of national prominence (Romney, Ryan, anyone who has previously been a candidate on either side in the primaries, etc.) This *might* lead to the election being thrown to the House, which would then choose from the top 3 vote-getters.

As an example: Kasich runs with Rubio as VP candiate. They win OH, FL, MN (where for no explicable reason, Rubio is popular) and WI. This denies both H-Rod and Trump the presidency. The election then goes to the house, where each state delegation gets one vote and, as presently constituted, the breakout is GOP 33, Dems 11, and 6 evenly split. The top House chooses from the top 3, so hello President Kasich.

Not likely, but it is possible.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 12, 2016, 10:42:17 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 12, 2016, 08:35:47 AM

I think that you've clearly got Trump confused with Ryan.

Ryan reminds me of a spoiled two year old child attempting to tell his parents what to do. :chuckle:

The guy whose office the meeting takes place is doing the "schooling"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 12, 2016, 10:44:09 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 12, 2016, 10:35:30 AM

Not likely, but it is possible.

B/B

I'm much more simple in my bets.

Assume Clinton for Democrats, Trump for Republican.

Anybody else, the bet is off.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 12, 2016, 12:11:48 PM

Ankles getting wet.

Ryan falls into line. Language used is a bunch of face saving, ass covering. He'll be waving the flag like a good boy at the right time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 12, 2016, 12:31:22 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 12, 2016, 12:11:48 PM

Ankles getting wet.

Ryan falls into line. Language used is a bunch of face saving, ass covering. He'll be waving the flag like a good boy at the right time.

Doubtful.

As I said before, the guy who owns the office where the meeting takes place is doing the "schooling".

Look for Trump to publicly move right and assure conservatives that he represents most of their values.

He will probably publish a list of 10-15 candidates that if he became President, he would send up to the Hill to nominate as Supreme Court justices. All will be conservative.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 12, 2016, 01:14:49 PM

Me and a friend of mine were discussing whether to support Trump in the November election. I think he said it best:

"Trump is untrustworthy, flip-flopping slime of awful character, obnoxious, crass, authoritarian in instinct, a bully, ignorant of policy and unwilling to learn, stirring up people's worst impulses, disrespectful to anyone who doesn't kiss his ass, likely to enact a plethora of policies I oppose, and likely to affirm Obama's Imperial approach to the presidency. And he expects me to shrug and hand-wave all of that, just because he's not Hillary Clinton? Could we set the bar any lower?"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 12, 2016, 04:01:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 12, 2016, 12:31:22 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 12, 2016, 12:11:48 PM
Ankles getting wet.

Ryan falls into line. Language used is a bunch of face saving, ass covering. He'll be waving the flag like a good boy at the right time.

Doubtful.

As I said before, the guy who owns the office where the meeting takes place is doing the "schooling".

Look for Trump to publicly move right and assure conservatives that he represents most of their values.

He will probably publish a list of 10-15 candidates that if he became President, he would send up to the Hill to nominate as Supreme Court justices. All will be conservative.

Yes, he probably will come out with a list of justices though it may be awhile.

In the Ryan problem though, Trump threatened him first off with his committee chair. Then Sarah tea party Palin threatened to work against him. Then you saw Trump back off and talk nice. The future meeting was set and time given to think about what can happen that Ryan doesn't need to have happen.

Enter several party elites to publicly tell Ryan he should focus on unification and backing Trump. Enter Priebus, Carson, Gingrich to soften things a bit. News stories are not so great to Ryan.

After thinking yes, you have Trump meet Ryan on his turf to offer the olive branch.

Ryan gives way in a sort of half support. Everybody is happy.

This was one form of Trump negotiation.

He got what he needed. In the future there will be fights between the two and Trump will most likely win or come out with a draw.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 12, 2016, 04:15:28 PM

Support for Donald Trump is growing. Even if he does not get full support from the republican party there are many others ready to fund the fight.

Newly Launched Super PAC Vows to Raise Millions for Donald Trump

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/newly-launched-super-pac-vows-raise-millions-donald/story?id=39074969

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 12, 2016, 05:14:21 PM

Shakespear, you DO understand that negotiation is NOT about winning and losing don't you?

The trick is to get what you want whilst the other person gets what he wants.

Now, today we saw the language coming from Ryan. There's no way that he could do a volte face right now, today, you should surely understand that, yes?

However, it is absolutely clear that Ryan is going to give his support to Trump. He can't easily walk back his words from today.

We can see that Trump got what he wanted. I am sure that Ryan got some of what he wanted. Trump has allowed Ryan to save face.

Again, the trick is for each party to get what they want. I have no doubt that Team Trump identified Ryan's buttons and those buttons were pushed. That's what Trump does every day. I am also certain that the discussion and the offers made were not according to political protocol, that's because, if I were Trump, I'd be doing just that - looking to unbalance the counter party. It is what Trump does every day.

You may be misunderstanding the process if you are thinking in terms of winners and losers. That's not negotiation, that's war and, right now, the US does not have a civil war.

Did Trump get more of what he wanted then Ryan?
Of that you can be sure because Ryan's job was on the line, Ryan already made that mistake - he showed his weakness by showing the world his primary concern - his job. That was a bad error to make because all that Trump needed to do was accept his resignation in a very public manner - he did not do so. Trump gave Ryan something he wanted, the ability to keep his job. Now, Ryan will toe the line.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 12, 2016, 05:54:23 PM

Quite the trailer on the Democrat Party

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 12, 2016, 06:24:26 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 12, 2016, 05:14:21 PM

Did Trump get more of what he wanted then Ryan?
Of that you can be sure because Ryan's job was on the line, Ryan already made that mistake - he showed his weakness by showing the world his primary concern - his job. That was a bad error to make because all that Trump needed to do was accept his resignation in a very public manner - he did not do so. Trump gave Ryan something he wanted, the ability to keep his job. Now, Ryan will toe the line.

Andrew you are bright lad but sometimes you haven't the foggiest idea what your talking about.

Trump allowed Ryan to keep his job? Ryan was voted in by the nearly 250 Republican representatives who are members. Of those approximately 160 are like him Tea Party Conservatives who do not like Trump at all. The only way he loses "his job" is if Hillary wins the election with unbelievable coat tails.

Ryan's move to offer to resign as Chairman of the convention was brilliant. If Trump would have accepted his resignation, he would have lost the support of the party mainstream and lost the election by 25 points instead of the 10-15 points he's going to lose by anyway. Ryan will get concessions from Trump that will make him a more palatable candidate. In exchange for this, Ryan will eventually give him a lukewarm endorsement.

Ryan primary interest is making sure Republicans maintain a majority in the House in the 2016 elections.

Ryan made Trump come to HIS office hat in hand. Clearly Ryan and the conservative ideals he represents were the HUGE winners today.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 12, 2016, 07:36:00 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 12, 2016, 12:31:22 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 12, 2016, 12:11:48 PM
Ankles getting wet.

Ryan falls into line. Language used is a bunch of face saving, ass covering. He'll be waving the flag like a good boy at the right time.

Doubtful.

As I said before, the guy who owns the office where the meeting takes place is doing the "schooling".

Look for Trump to publicly move right and assure conservatives that he represents most of their values.

He will probably publish a list of 10-15 candidates that if he became President, he would send up to the Hill to nominate as Supreme Court justices. All will be conservative.

Trump had already planned to do the part I highlighted, and it had absolutely NOTHING to do with RINO Ryan. Ryan is the guy who signed a 1 Trillion dollar budget with Obama without even fighting for anything.

Ryan is the guy who wants to bring in an additional 300K Muslim immigrants. You are deliberately trying to mislead our UK friends on the other side of the pond. Ryan is NO conservative. He's a fraud, and he will likely lose his position for his disloyalty.

Ryan and Romney -- a couple of turncoat RINO's.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 12, 2016, 07:48:25 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 12, 2016, 07:36:00 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 12, 2016, 12:31:22 PM
Quote from: andrewfi on May 12, 2016, 12:11:48 PM
Ankles getting wet.

Ryan falls into line. Language used is a bunch of face saving, ass covering. He'll be waving the flag like a good boy at the right time.

Doubtful.

As I said before, the guy who owns the office where the meeting takes place is doing the "schooling".

Look for Trump to publicly move right and assure conservatives that he represents most of their values.

He will probably publish a list of 10-15 candidates that if he became President, he would send up to the Hill to nominate as Supreme Court justices. All will be conservative.

Trump had already planned to do the part I highlighted, and it had absolutely NOTHING to do with RINO Ryan. Ryan is the guy who signed a 1 Trillion dollar budget with Obama without even fighting for anything.

Ryan is the guy who wants to bring in an additional 300K Muslim immigrants. You are deliberately trying to mislead our UK friends on the other side of the pond. Ryan is NO conservative. He's a fraud, and he will likely lose his position for his disloyalty.

Ryan and Romney -- a couple of turncoat RINO's.

It is why they are so unpopular with Republicans.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 12, 2016, 07:48:25 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 12, 2016, 05:54:23 PM

Quite the trailer on the Democrat Party

Great video Maxx. I remember when I used to have debates with a former member. He would always deny the real nature of Democrats. The Democratic Party has always fooled the masses. They went from being for slavery, to being for Jim Crow laws. It was the REPUBLICAN Party under Abraham Lincoln who ended slavery. And then it was the Democratic Party who found a clever way to continue it -- the so called "great society" of LBJ.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 12, 2016, 07:53:47 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 12, 2016, 07:48:25 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 12, 2016, 05:54:23 PM

Quite the trailer on the Democrat Party

Great video Maxx. I remember when I used to have debates with a former member. He would always deny the real nature of Democrats. The Democratic Party has always fooled the masses. They went from being for slavery, to being for Jim Crow laws. It was the REPUBLICAN Party under Abraham Lincoln who ended slavery. And then it was the Democratic Party who found a clever way to continue it -- the so called "great society" of LBJ.

I agree and the Republicans morphed into something disgusting with the neo-cons of Bush and sons. They were not conservative at all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 12, 2016, 07:57:55 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 12, 2016, 07:53:47 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 12, 2016, 07:48:25 PM
Quote from: Maxx on May 12, 2016, 05:54:23 PM

Quite the trailer on the Democrat Party

Great video Maxx. I remember when I used to have debates with a former member. He would always deny the real nature of Democrats. The Democratic Party has always fooled the masses. They went from being for slavery, to being for Jim Crow laws. It was the REPUBLICAN Party under Abraham Lincoln who ended slavery. And then it was the Democratic Party who found a clever way to continue it -- the so called "great society" of LBJ.

I agree and the Republicans morphed into something disgusting with the neo-cons of Bush and sons. They were not conservative at all.

I felt Bush Jr. could have been a great President, had he not gone to war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Imagine how different his administration would have been viewed.

But sadly you are correct about Bush Jr. Bush Sr. I felt was much more intelligent and pragmatic. I felt he had no choice but to kick Sadam Hussein out of Kuwait.

I see the two as being very different. I see Bush Jr. as being the neo-con.

Conservative to me means being fiscally conservative and not borrowing money from China to finance wars. Bush Jr. failed that test.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 12, 2016, 10:17:16 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 12, 2016, 07:36:00 PM

Ryan is the guy who signed a 1 Trillion dollar budget with Obama without even fighting for anything.

So what was he supposed to do?

Let the USA go into default and hand the election to the Democrats?

They got important concessions on Social Security disability spending.

With Obama's signature on the bill what else could he do?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 12, 2016, 11:16:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 12, 2016, 10:17:16 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 12, 2016, 07:36:00 PM
Ryan is the guy who signed a 1 Trillion dollar budget with Obama without even fighting for anything.

So what was he supposed to do?

Let the USA go into default and hand the election to the Democrats?

They got important concessions on Social Security disability spending.

With Obama's signature on the bill what else could he do?

And they/Ryan funded Obamacare and the immigration of hundreds of thousands of Hispanics and Muslims to help Obama "fundamentally transform the United States of America." This explains the rise of Trump.

From a true conservative:

Jeff Sessions 9:45 p.m. EDT May 12, 2016

In Donald Trump, we have a forceful advocate for America.

For the first time in a long time, this November will give Americans a clear choice on perhaps the most important issue facing our country and our civilization: whether we remain a nation-state that serves its own people, or whether we slide irrevocably toward a soulless globalism that treats humans as interchangeable widgets in the world market.

In Donald Trump, we have a forceful advocate for America. Trump has said that our trade, immigration and foreign policies must be changed to protect the interests of American workers and our nation.

In Hillary Clinton, we have a committed globalist. Clinton was an ardent supporter of the Trans-Pacific Partnership — which surrenders American sovereignty to an international union of 12 countries — and has clearly left the door wide open to enacting the pact if elected.

There is only one sure way to defeat the TPP, and that is to defeat Hillary Clinton.

Meanwhile, Clinton’s immigration platform is the most radical in our history. Freezing deportations. Ending detentions. Halting enforcement. She’d expand President Obama’s illegal amnesty decree, effectively creating open borders.

Clinton’s extremist proposal economically targets our poor African-American and Hispanic communities whose wages and job prospects are being steadily eroded by the huge influx of new foreign workers.

Yet some Republicans persist in saying that they don’t know whether Mr. Trump is a “real conservative.” This charge misleads in two ways. First: Mr. Trump’s cautious approach to mass migration, transnational trade commissions and nation-building are, by definition, conservative.

Second, the divide between Trump and Clinton on the role of government could not be more stark. Consider just a few of the things President Trump would do after taking the oath: repeal Obamacare; nominate constitutionalist justices; replace Obama’s radical Cabinet appointments; reduce taxes and regulations; produce more American energy; rein in the out-of-control EPA; and cancel Obama’s illegal amnesties.

The choice is a simple one: Do we want a country that serves our people, or not?

Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., was the first senator to endorse Donald Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 13, 2016, 12:26:13 AM

Speaker Paul Ryan's job at the convention as chair is mostly ceremonial and probably would not lead to a riot if he were dismissed. It is part of his job to bring unity to the convention and if he cannot do so then he should resign and hand it over to a Trump partisan. It is Trumps convention after all.

Ryan was being correct when offering to resign from his chair. Trump saw him as a better person to have there for whatever reason, perhaps because it is sometimes good to have your enemy out in front for all to see. Perhaps he see's something good in him and really wants him on his side. All that was needed was to dangle this little slap in the face in front of him.

Palin was a totally different problem for Ryan. She wants to work against his election. This partly because of his not supporting Trump but also because the people that helped Ryan get where he is now are not very satisfied with his performance.

With this immigration thing he wants to push and the recent bloated budget he has made many people angry. He does not need to be accused of holding back unity of the party, does not need the scandal of losing his convention post, does not need the Freedom Caucus or the Tea Party working against him and his reelection when it was they that mainly put him there.

Ryan is not going anywhere soon most likely. He still does not need these problems. He has enough problems already. Trump needs Ryan or someone similar to him because he needs the Congress and Senate to back his proposals.

One person may feel that Ryan made a brilliant comeback. I have seen no other suggestions like this in the news though I may be wrong. What I have seen enough of is the fact that Ryan was not ready to support Trump. Trump negotiated with Ryan and in the end everybody was happy.

When I brought this up several days ago it was easy to see. It is just that some do not want to see. You come out strong like a bad cop. You send in the good cops. You give time to think about your options. This is at the very least a win for Trump in the eyes of the media and the public. If Ryan won anything aside from saving face then it is between him and Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 13, 2016, 02:19:46 AM

Shakespear, yes, I am bright. Ryan had already offered his resignation. His position was therefore at Trump's gift.

Ryan made a strategic error because by offering to resign he signalled to Team Trump exactly what his most important button was. By doing so he placed any negotiation in Trump's control because Ryan's only fall back was his resignation.

Team Trump identified value in keeping Ryan in place and thus allowed him to not resign.

Now Ryan will be a good boy and a faithful servant. If Ryan tires of that role he can resign.

You are right about the manner in which Ryan was appointed but that is irrelevant to how he maintains or loses the post.

The guy was stupid to place his most valued asset at Trump's disposal and that quite likely tells us more about Ryan than he would prefer us to know.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 13, 2016, 02:26:24 AM

It is worth remembering that in making a deal one gives some of what wants in order to get what one needs.

It is certain that there will be compromises made by Team Trump and, as we can see from the GOP grandees.

Every plank in the Trump platform will be priced and prioritised. Remember that the GOP will not have the same prices and priorities as Team Trump that's what enables compromise and trading to take place.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 08:28:55 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 12, 2016, 10:17:16 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 12, 2016, 07:36:00 PM
Ryan is the guy who signed a 1 Trillion dollar budget with Obama without even fighting for anything.

So what was he supposed to do?

Let the USA go into default and hand the election to the Democrats?

Considering how close it was to the election you have a point. I can't see any real excuses or reasons why Boehner and McConnell always caved to Obama.

It's all history now and the party needs your vote. Will you be loyal to the party and vote for the presumptive nominee?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 08:34:45 AM

Quote from: bagalia on May 13, 2016, 12:26:13 AM

Palin was a totally different problem for Ryan. She wants to work against his election. This partly because of his not supporting Trump but also because the people that helped Ryan get where he is now are not very satisfied with his performance.

A laughable problem. The woman is bat-shit crazy and carries little or no weight with conservative Americans after the reality show drama of her family. Making her daughter the role model for teenage abstinence then having her get knocked up TWICE. You can't make this shit up. :laugh:

Ryan is in his 9th term in Congress and has a 75% favorable rating in the 1st District of Wisconsin. He won reelection in 2014 with 63% of the vote. He's what they call a "safe seat".

I don't think even Palin's best efforts could threaten Ryan.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 08:38:37 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 08:34:45 AM

Quote from: bagalia on May 13, 2016, 12:26:13 AM
Palin was a totally different problem for Ryan. She wants to work against his election. This partly because of his not supporting Trump but also because the people that helped Ryan get where he is now are not very satisfied with his performance.

A laughable problem. The woman is bat-shit crazy and carries little or no weight with conservative Americans after the reality show drama of her family. Making her daughter the role model for teenage abstinence then having her get knocked up TWICE. You can't make this shit up. :laugh:

Ryan is in his 9th term in Congress and has a 75% favorable rating in the 1st District of Wisconsin. He won reelection in 2014 with 63% of the vote. He's what they call a "safe seat".

I don't think even Palin's best efforts could threaten Ryan.

Sounds good. Now if Ryan votes for Trump, will you? Will you be loyal to your own party and vote for the Republican nominee?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 08:40:33 AM

Quote from: ant on May 12, 2016, 10:17:16 PM

Considering how close it was to the election you have a point. I can't see any real excuses or reasons why Boehner and McConnell always caved to Obama.

Because they don't have the 2/3 majority needed to override an Obama veto. They won small battles by getting concessions put in the legislation instead of passing "clean bills" like Obama demands.

Quote from: ant on May 12, 2016, 10:17:16 PM

It's all history now and the party needs your vote. Will you be loyal to the party and vote for the presumptive nominee?

My vote isn't going to make any difference. You and your ilk GAVE the election to Hillary Clinton when you selected Trump as the candidate. Everybody is looking and planning toward 2020 right now. My primary objective is to hold the gains we've made in Senate and House in the 2016 election, hope they can clog up Hillary until we can get a suitable Republican candidate for President in 2020.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 08:45:32 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 08:38:37 AM

Sounds good. Now if Ryan votes for Trump, will you? Will you be loyal to your own party and vote for the Republican nominee?

Sorry. I can't vote for a person who I consider as an untrustworthy, flip-flopping slime of awful character, obnoxious, crass, authoritarian in instinct, a bully, ignorant of policy and unwilling to learn, misogynist, stirring up people's worst impulses, disrespectful to anyone who doesn't kiss his ass, likely to enact a plethora of policies I oppose, and likely to affirm Obama's Imperial approach to the Presidency.

I'll be in Washington CD soon and meeting with 25 Congressmen and 5-6 Senators. I'm sure I'll have some comment of the feelings from The Hill after that 4 day visit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:08:14 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 08:45:32 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 08:38:37 AM
Sounds good. Now if Ryan votes for Trump, will you? Will you be loyal to your own party and vote for the Republican nominee?

Sorry. I can't vote for a person who I consider as an untrustworthy, flip-flopping slime of awful character, obnoxious, crass, authoritarian in instinct, a bully, ignorant of policy and unwilling to learn, misogynist, stirring up people's worst impulses, disrespectful to anyone who doesn't kiss his ass, likely to enact a plethora of policies I oppose, and likely to affirm Obama's Imperial approach to the Presidency.

I'll be in Washington CD soon and meeting with 25 Congressmen and 5-6 Senators. I'm sure I'll have some comment of the feelings from The Hill after that 4 day visit.

He must not be such a bully or a guy insisting that others kiss his ass, since as you correctly pointed out he did meet with Ryan, in Ryan's office.

While he's made some misogynistic comments, in real life he employed women and promoted them to positions of authority long before others did, in the macho male World of construction and development.

Hillary Clinton pays women less than she pays men, at her own foundation.

Really, your comments show you've fallen prey to Democratic propaganda. Your comments are actually void of reality in regards to Trump's real actions.

Securing the border? If that is not conservative, I don't know what is. Promoting America first? Conservative. Building our military back up? Conservative.

You should try to be more like Paul Ryan and other Republican leaders, who are coming around.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:14:17 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 08:40:33 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 12, 2016, 10:17:16 PM
Considering how close it was to the election you have a point. I can't see any real excuses or reasons why Boehner and McConnell always caved to Obama.

Because they don't have the 2/3 majority needed to override an Obama veto. They won small battles by getting concessions put in the legislation instead of passing "clean bills" like Obama demands.

Quote from: Anteros on May 12, 2016, 10:17:16 PM
It's all history now and the party needs your vote. Will you be loyal to the party and vote for the presumptive nominee?

My vote isn't going to make any difference. You and your ilk GAVE the election to Hillary Clinton when you selected Trump as the candidate. Everybody is looking and planning toward 2020 right now. My primary objective is to hold the gains we've made in Senate and House in the 2016 election, hope they can clog up Hillary until we can get a suitable Republican candidate for President in 2020.

Me and my ilk GAVE the election to Hillary Clinton? That's a very premature statement first of all. Second of all it was decided before I even had a chance to vote (I'm on the West Coast).

Most importantly Trump has brought more voters into the Republican party than were ever in the party before. Hillary on the other hand cannot even close down Bernie Sanders.

In fact Hillary is now fighting a two-front war, and she's losing and losing badly. Hillary will NOT be the next President.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 09:50:15 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:08:14 AM

Promoting America first? Conservative.

This is probably what scares me the most.

The kind of protective tariffs Trump is talking about will thrust the whole world into depression.

Telling private companies where and how they can operate? Sounds like socialism to me.

Smoot Hawley Act. Look it up and do a little research.

Those that don't remember history are destined to repeat it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 09:52:09 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:14:17 AM

Me and my ilk GAVE the election to Hillary Clinton? That's a very premature statement first of all. Second of all it was decided before I even had a chance to vote (I'm on the West Coast).

Yes if you vote for Cruz or Kasich next week, you will have some deniability for the disaster that will hit us in November.

I'd suggest you do that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:54:16 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 09:52:09 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:14:17 AM
Me and my ilk GAVE the election to Hillary Clinton? That's a very premature statement first of all. Second of all it was decided before I even had a chance to vote (I'm on the West Coast).

Yes if you vote for Cruz or Kasich next week, you will have some deniability for the disaster that will hit us in November.

I'd suggest you do that.

The state I live in now votes by mail only and I already voted for a WINNER which is Donald J. Trump. Why would anyone vote for a couple of losers?

Man you are taking your hurt feelings way too hard. Get over it. Trump is the guy!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:55:52 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 09:50:15 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:08:14 AM
Promoting America first? Conservative.

This is probably what scares me the most.

The kind of protective tariffs Trump is talking about will thrust the whole world into depression.

Telling private companies where and how they can operate? Sounds like socialism to me.

Smoot Hawley Act. Look it up and do a little research.

Those that don't remember history are destined to repeat it.

Negotiating from fear and weakness -- both party's WEAK. Trump knows how to negotiate. Number 1 is be willing to leave the table.

A little protectionism would be very good for this country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 10:20:31 AM

Trump the great businessman . . . . . . . . . .

Trump the thief is more accurate

http://fortune.com/2016/03/10/trump-hotel-casinos-pay-failure/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 13, 2016, 10:22:45 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:54:16 AM

Trump is the guy!!

Has Trump actually articulated his policies better than "We'll build a wall", "I got me a hot piece of ass" and "Lets bury China"? Does he set out any details of how some of these things might be accomplished with financial projections?

Not that the lack of same will stop people voting for him. I get that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 10:22:59 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:54:16 AM

Man you are taking your hurt feelings way too hard. Get over it. Trump is the guy!!

Hurt feelings have nothing to do with it.

It's my principles. I just cannot support a guy who I believe to be exceptionally UNQUALFIED to be President of the United States.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 13, 2016, 10:24:53 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 10:20:31 AM

Trump the great businessman . . . . . . . . . .

Trump the thief is more accurate

http://fortune.com/2016/03/10/trump-hotel-casinos-pay-failure/

He sounds ideal for president, he already knows how to run the US economy - just the same as usual.........

Quote

During Trump’s 13 years as chairman, the casino empire lost a total of $1.1 billion, twice declared bankruptcy, and wrote down or restructured $1.8 billion in debt. Over the same period, the company paid Trump—essentially Trump paying himself—roughly $82 million by Fortune’s estimates, collected from a dizzying variety of sources spelled out in the company’s proxy filings, as varied as payments for use of Trump’s private plane to fees paid directly Trump for access to his name and marketing expertise.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 10:27:01 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 13, 2016, 10:22:45 AM

Has Trump actually articulated his policies better than "We'll build a wall", "I got me a hot piece of ass" and "Lets bury China"? Does he set out any details of how some of these things might be accomplished with financial projections?

Not that the lack of same will stop people voting for him. I get that.

No. Not really. Getting Mexico to pay for the wall by passing a law not allowing Mexican citizens to send Western Union funds back to Mexico and enacting protective tariffs on Mexican imports equal to the amount to build the wall.

He's just going to negotiate "great deals" with everybody even though his own professional record shows that he's really only been able to negotiate great deals for himself. See the link I posted immediately upthread.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 13, 2016, 10:56:06 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 10:20:31 AM

Trump the great businessman . . . . . . . . . .

Trump the thief is more accurate

http://fortune.com/2016/03/10/trump-hotel-casinos-pay-failure/

Three things here.

Business is full of ups and downs. The news likes to focus on Trumps downs instead of his ups.

The casino business is full of bankruptcy. Having lived there several years and connected to the area, there is nothing here that is specific only to Trump and there is much worse not connected to Trump.

Look at the story again in a different way and ask who came out on top. If you can say Trump then if his personal success is so good then why not apply this to the nation? If the nation is going downhill and a crash is inevitable then fix it so that the nation ends up with a profit. Who then better than Trump to do so?

Trump works the financial system and wins just as Cruz did with delegates.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 13, 2016, 11:15:26 AM

One other thing to keep in mind that encompasses almost all of Trumps policies and ideas. There is little that Trump has the power to do alone. He requires the house and senate approval for a lot of it. Where they are now and where they will be can be a huge difference. On the good side is that something will get done instead of nothing and what does get done will be opposite from what has come from Obama..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 11:15:51 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 09:50:15 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:08:14 AM
Promoting America first? Conservative.

This is probably what scares me the most.

The kind of protective tariffs Trump is talking about will thrust the whole world into depression.

Telling private companies where and how they can operate? Sounds like socialism to me.

Smoot Hawley Act. Look it up and do a little research.

Those that don't remember history are destined to repeat it.

The idea that quality American manufacturers have to labor under mountains of restrictive OSHA, EPA, OFCCP, FTC, etc., regulations while SLAVE laborers with No air or water pollution controls and NO workplace safety controls, NO minimum wage laws are forced to labor 7 days a week 17 hours a day making trinkets for BILLIONAIRES profits including Apple, Microsoft, HP, Oracle, Dell and calls this FREE trade is guilty of HIGH TREASON against the people and workers in the USA not to mention Obamas precious Carbon Neutral taxed environment.

I hope TRUMP posts a 50% Tarriff on all slave labor manufacturers and services companies that DUMP dangerous UNSAFE crap in the USA (Lion batteries in gadgets, Notebook PCs and hoverboards that spontaneously combust WTF? ) Where is the EPA, OSHA and the FTC on this junk flooding our country not to mention cheap unsafe LION batteries that are TOXIC waste...

The USA will rapidly get back to quality manufacturing and the slave laborers will have to compete on quality instead of cheapest possible priced firebombs embedded in unnecessary cheap junk throw away electronics.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 11:18:34 AM

Quote from: bagalia on May 13, 2016, 11:15:26 AM

One other thing to keep in mind that encompasses almost all of Trumps policies and ideas. There is little that Trump has the power to do alone. He requires the house and senate approval for a lot of it. Where they are now and where they will be can be a huge difference. On the good side is that something will get done instead of nothing and what does get done will be opposite from what has come from Obama..

Speaking of which REAL POWER is coalescing around the Candidate of true American Patriots:

Senator Jeff Sessions, one of the first politicians to come out in support for Trump wrote a short article about why people should vote for Trump. In the article he specifically about globalism and how Clinton is a globalist candidate. He also speaks about how the globalism is antithetical to the concept of the nation state. Those of you who liked Trump's foreign policy speech will enjoy this too.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/05/12/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-jeff-sessions-editorials-debates/84298310/

Quote:
For the first time in a long time, this November will give Americans a clear choice on perhaps the most important issue facing our country and our civilization: whether we remain a nation-state that serves its own people, or whether we slide irrevocably toward a soulless globalism that treats humans as interchangeable widgets in the world market.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 11:24:55 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 13, 2016, 10:22:45 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:54:16 AM
Trump is the guy!!

Has Trump actually articulated his policies better than "We'll build a wall", "I got me a hot piece of ass" and "Lets bury China"? Does he set out any details of how some of these things might be accomplished with financial projections?

Not that the lack of same will stop people voting for him. I get that.

Written in elementary English even our condescending cousins across the pond will comprehend:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/issues/

Versus Bernie who wants to Bern the system to the ground and create a new Socialist Workers Paradise and Crooked Hillary who wants to steal what is left over.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 13, 2016, 11:39:32 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 11:15:51 AM

The idea that quality American manufacturers have to labor under mountains of restrictive OSHA, EPA, OFCCP, FTC, etc., regulations while SLAVE laborers with No air or water pollution controls and NO workplace safety controls, NO minimum wage laws are forced to labor 7 days a week 17 hours a day making trinkets for BILLIONAIRES profits including Apple, Microsoft, HP, Oracle, Dell and calls this FREE trade is guilty of HIGH TREASON against the people and workers in the USA not to mention Obamas precious Carbon Neutral taxed environment.

I hope TRUMP posts a 50% Tarriff on all slave labor manufacturers and services companies that DUMP dangerous UNSAFE crap in the USA (Lion batteries in gadgets, Notebook PCs and hoverboards that spontaneously combust WTF? ) Where is the EPA, OSHA and the FTC on this junk flooding our country not to mention cheap unsafe LION batteries that are TOXIC waste...

The USA will rapidly get back to quality manufacturing and the slave laborers will have to compete on quality instead of cheapest possible priced firebombs embedded in unnecessary cheap junk throw away electronics.

Plus all the "food" that floods into the country - dog food that kills animals, unregulated antibiotics and endocrine disruptors in Chinese and Thai raised shrimp (I rarely eat shrimp these days because of it).

I wondered how all these local Chinese places could make any money charging "$1.59 a scoop".

Then I went on AliBaba (and some other sites) and realized - there is no chef in the back at these places.

There is a Chinese immigrant who is taking the prepared Chinese food, complete with sauce, out of a frozen bag or a 5 gallon bucket, and re-heating it. The entirety of the food and sauces, aside from the cooking oil, is from China. There are ZERO checks on this food from what I can tell.

Where is the FDA?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 11:44:05 AM

^^^ +1

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 12:12:15 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 13, 2016, 10:56:06 AM

Look at the story again in a different way and ask who came out on top. If you can say Trump then if his personal success is so good then why not apply this to the nation? If the nation is going downhill and a crash is inevitable then fix it so that the nation ends up with a profit. Who then better than Trump to do so?

Are you kidding me?

There is no doubt in my mind that Trump will personally profit by being in the White House.

Investors and taxpayers lose billions and Trump personally makes millions.

Question: What's the difference between Trump and the Clinton Foundation?

Answer: There isn't any!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 12:15:55 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 13, 2016, 11:15:26 AM

One other thing to keep in mind that encompasses almost all of Trumps policies and ideas. There is little that Trump has the power to do alone. He requires the house and senate approval for a lot of it. Where they are now and where they will be can be a huge difference. On the good side is that something will get done instead of nothing and what does get done will be opposite from what has come from Obama..

Trump can't to ANYTHING he's promised to do. Yet "uneducated" people vote for him anyway.

I do expect Trump to take Executive action to unbelievable extremes. Trump will make the imperial Obama look like some kind of amateur. This is horrible for proponents of The Constitution.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on May 13, 2016, 12:18:08 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 11:15:51 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 09:50:15 AM
Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:08:14 AM
Promoting America first? Conservative.

This is probably what scares me the most.

The kind of protective tariffs Trump is talking about will thrust the whole world into depression.

Telling private companies where and how they can operate? Sounds like socialism to me.

Smoot Hawley Act. Look it up and do a little research.

Those that don't remember history are destined to repeat it.

The idea that quality American manufacturers have to labor under mountains of restrictive OSHA, EPA, OFCCP, FTC, etc., regulations while SLAVE laborers with No air or water pollution controls and NO workplace safety controls, NO minimum wage laws are forced to labor 7 days a week 17 hours a day making trinkets for BILLIONAIRES profits including Apple, Microsoft, HP, Oracle, Dell and calls this FREE trade is guilty of HIGH TREASON against the people and workers in the USA not to mention Obamas precious Carbon Neutral taxed environment.

I hope TRUMP posts a 50% Tarriff on all slave labor manufacturers and services companies that DUMP dangerous UNSAFE crap in the USA (Lion batteries in gadgets, Notebook PCs and hoverboards that spontaneously combust WTF? ) Where is the EPA, OSHA and the FTC on this junk flooding our country not to mention cheap unsafe LION batteries that are TOXIC waste...

The USA will rapidly get back to quality manufacturing and the slave laborers will have to compete on quality instead of cheapest possible priced firebombs embedded in unnecessary cheap junk throw away electronics.

ONLY if they restrict the current unions powers, and become effective in their work..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 12:22:35 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 11:24:55 AM

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

Facts are, there is not one thing on this entire page of crap that a President Trump can do by himself.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 13, 2016, 12:25:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 12:15:55 PM

Yet "uneducated" people vote for him anyway.

There are likely enough of those to vote him in.

To be fair though, I cant see what damage the guy could do that is worse than what his predecessors did. I guess the house and senate approval Baggy mentioned is the checks and balances to stop him doing something crazy?

Surely start on the wall, start no more wars (and bring back your invaders elsewhere), and try to put the brakes on the losses (even) in the economy is a tall enough order on its own. If he can do any of that he might do some good.

The alternative is Hillary starting more wars around the edge of Russia and more of the same at home. :duh:

Its no brighter here: We have Cameron licking Merkels arse hoping he can retire to the EU gravy train, after he has finished campaigning for gays and those of indeterminate gender. Allegedly a Tory, but really a heir to Blair. The alternative is Chairman Corbyn which takes us back decades into Ste and Moby's world.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 13, 2016, 12:27:57 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 12:12:15 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 13, 2016, 10:56:06 AM
Look at the story again in a different way and ask who came out on top. If you can say Trump then if his personal success is so good then why not apply this to the nation? If the nation is going downhill and a crash is inevitable then fix it so that the nation ends up with a profit. Who then better than Trump to do so?

Are you kidding me?

There is no doubt in my mind that Trump will personally profit by being in the White House.

Investors and taxpayers lose billions and Trump personally makes millions.

Question: What's the difference between Trump and the Clinton Foundation?

Answer: There isn't any!

This is also why we hire hackers to protect our government and private systems. Who better?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 12:42:08 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 13, 2016, 12:25:12 PM

To be fair though, I cant see what damage the guy could do that is worse than what his predecessors did. I guess the house and senate approval Baggy mentioned is the checks and balances to stop him doing something crazy?

Surely start on the wall, start no more wars (and bring back your invaders elsewhere), and try to put the brakes on the losses (even) in the economy is a tall enough order on its own. If he can do any of that he might do some good.

Like I said, he can't do ANY of that as President by himself.

It ALL requires the action of one or both the sides of Congress.

Now, do you REALLY think Trump was reprimanding Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House and third in line to the Presidency of the United States in his own office yesterday? If so, let me tell you the one about the three bears.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on May 13, 2016, 12:46:59 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 13, 2016, 12:25:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 12:15:55 PM
Yet "uneducated" people vote for him anyway.

There are likely enough of those to vote him in.

To be fair though, I cant see what damage the guy could do that is worse than what his predecessors did. I guess the house and senate approval Baggy mentioned is the checks and balances to stop him doing something crazy?

Surely start on the wall, start no more wars (and bring back your invaders elsewhere), and try to put the brakes on the losses (even) in the economy is a tall enough order on its own. If he can do any of that he might do some good.

The alternative is Hillary starting more wars around the edge of Russia and more of the same at home. :duh:

Its no brighter here: We have Cameron licking Merkels arse hoping he can retire to the EU gravy train, after he has finished campaigning for gays and those of indeterminate gender. Allegedly a Tory, but really a heir to Blair. The alternative is Chairman Corbyn which takes us back decades into Ste and Moby's world.

The word on the street is that IF Cameron delivers the UK into the EU, he will become the next president of the EU..

Just saying...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on May 13, 2016, 12:51:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 12:42:08 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 13, 2016, 12:25:12 PM

To be fair though, I cant see what damage the guy could do that is worse than what his predecessors did. I guess the house and senate approval Baggy mentioned is the checks and balances to stop him doing something crazy?

Surely start on the wall, start no more wars (and bring back your invaders elsewhere), and try to put the brakes on the losses (even) in the economy is a tall enough order on its own. If he can do any of that he might do some good.

Like I said, he can't do ANY of that as President by himself.

It ALL requires the action of one or both the sides of Congress.

Now, do you REALLY think Trump was reprimanding Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House and third in line to the Presidency of the United States in his own office yesterday? If so, let me tell you the one about the three bears.

I cannot say what happened between Trump and Ryan in the office, but I have been in several CEO's offices, and ripped their balls off of them..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 13, 2016, 12:56:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 12:42:08 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 13, 2016, 12:25:12 PM

To be fair though, I cant see what damage the guy could do that is worse than what his predecessors did. I guess the house and senate approval Baggy mentioned is the checks and balances to stop him doing something crazy?

Surely start on the wall, start no more wars (and bring back your invaders elsewhere), and try to put the brakes on the losses (even) in the economy is a tall enough order on its own. If he can do any of that he might do some good.

Like I said, he can't do ANY of that as President by himself.

It ALL requires the action of one or both the sides of Congress.

Now, do you REALLY think Trump was reprimanding Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House and third in line to the Presidency of the United States in his own office yesterday? If so, let me tell you the one about the three bears.

And there you have it. He cannot do what he wants without congress and senate yet everyone is afraid he will destroy the world. He will make use of what he can. That barrel of worms was opened by Obama and cannot be closed. He can start dialog and perhaps even get something done if he can convince the right people to go with his ideas. Thank you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 13, 2016, 01:07:25 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on May 13, 2016, 12:51:18 PM

I cannot say what happened between Trump and Ryan in the office, but I have been in several CEO's offices, and ripped their balls off of them..

Who enjoyed it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on May 13, 2016, 01:08:45 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 13, 2016, 01:07:25 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on May 13, 2016, 12:51:18 PM
I cannot say what happened between Trump and Ryan in the office, but I have been in several CEO's offices, and ripped their balls off of them..

Who enjoyed it?

Guess.... :whist11:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 01:11:44 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 13, 2016, 12:56:05 PM

And there you have it. He cannot do what he wants without congress and senate yet everyone is afraid he will destroy the world. He will make use of what he can. That barrel of worms was opened by Obama and cannot be closed. He can start dialog and perhaps even get something done if he can convince the right people to go with his ideas. Thank you.

Ah but you forget Executive Action.

Trump is used to running his own show. After two or three of his "dictates" get rejected by Congress he will rewrite the use of Executive Orders that will make the Imperial Obama look like a rookie.

So I imagine he'll spend the later two years of his term directing his Justice Department to defend the plethora of court cases his unrestricted use of Executive Orders will undoubtedly generate.

What damage can Trump do? We've seen the damage Obama has done by his illegal use of Executive Orders. If Congress cannot impeach an unruly President, then long drawn out legal action is the only option available.

Based on his hubris, Trump can be expected to do 10x the damage to our government with the use of Executive orders that Obama has done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 01:15:33 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on May 13, 2016, 12:51:18 PM

I cannot say what happened between Trump and Ryan in the office, but I have been in several CEO's offices, and ripped their balls off of them..

Trump NEEDS Ryan to advance his agenda in the House of Representatives if he gets elected.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 13, 2016, 01:15:50 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on May 13, 2016, 12:46:59 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 13, 2016, 12:25:12 PM
Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 12:15:55 PM
Yet "uneducated" people vote for him anyway.

There are likely enough of those to vote him in.

To be fair though, I cant see what damage the guy could do that is worse than what his predecessors did. I guess the house and senate approval Baggy mentioned is the checks and balances to stop him doing something crazy?

Surely start on the wall, start no more wars (and bring back your invaders elsewhere), and try to put the brakes on the losses (even) in the economy is a tall enough order on its own. If he can do any of that he might do some good.

The alternative is Hillary starting more wars around the edge of Russia and more of the same at home. :duh:

Its no brighter here: We have Cameron licking Merkels arse hoping he can retire to the EU gravy train, after he has finished campaigning for gays and those of indeterminate gender. Allegedly a Tory, but really a heir to Blair. The alternative is Chairman Corbyn which takes us back decades into Ste and Moby's world.

The word on the street is that IF Cameron delivers the UK into the EU, he will become the next president of the EU..

Just saying...

I can believe that, its all as bent as a nine bob note (or a photocopied tenner from Moby). Cameron is using taxpayers money to fund the pro-EU propaganda. :'(

I cant see a downside to Trump if there are checks and balances in place - which there seem to be.

It would be refreshing to see a US that is not warmongering everywhere and that is open for business. We seldom see US made products on our shelves, and some US made stuff is actually pretty alright. And even when importers like me approach US businesses, a deal doesn't happen because they are simply unaccustomed to dealing with foreigners. Dealing with them is like pulling teeth. It becomes easier to deal with China.

I think I could sell stuff that has a "Made in the USA" tag. The man in the street likely likens it only one step down from "Made in the UK", where he puts "Made in China" maybe 5 steps down. Trump is the kind of bloke who could help deliver the right two way trade deals to a post Brexit UK. Especially if he was dealing with Boris Johnson over Cameron........

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 13, 2016, 02:22:19 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 13, 2016, 01:15:50 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on May 13, 2016, 12:46:59 PM
Quote from: Manny on May 13, 2016, 12:25:12 PM
Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 12:15:55 PM
Yet "uneducated" people vote for him anyway.

There are likely enough of those to vote him in.

To be fair though, I cant see what damage the guy could do that is worse than what his predecessors did. I guess the house and senate approval Baggy mentioned is the checks and balances to stop him doing something crazy?

Surely start on the wall, start no more wars (and bring back your invaders elsewhere), and try to put the brakes on the losses (even) in the economy is a tall enough order on its own. If he can do any of that he might do some good.

The alternative is Hillary starting more wars around the edge of Russia and more of the same at home. :duh:

Its no brighter here: We have Cameron licking Merkels arse hoping he can retire to the EU gravy train, after he has finished campaigning for gays and those of indeterminate gender. Allegedly a Tory, but really a heir to Blair. The alternative is Chairman Corbyn which takes us back decades into Ste and Moby's world.

The word on the street is that IF Cameron delivers the UK into the EU, he will become the next president of the EU..

Just saying...

I can believe that, its all as bent as a nine bob note (or a photocopied tenner from Moby). Cameron is using taxpayers money to fund the pro-EU propaganda. :'(

I cant see a downside to Trump if there are checks and balances in place - which there seem to be.

It would be refreshing to see a US that is not warmongering everywhere and that is open for business. We seldom see US made products on our shelves, and some US made stuff is actually pretty alright. And even when importers like me approach US businesses, a deal doesn't happen because they are simply unaccustomed to dealing with foreigners. Dealing with them is like pulling teeth. It becomes easier to deal with China.

I think I could sell stuff that has a "Made in the USA" tag. The man in the street likely likens it only one step down from "Made in the UK", where he puts "Made in China" maybe 5 steps down. Trump is the kind of bloke who could help deliver the right two way trade deals to a post Brexit UK. Especially if he was dealing with Boris Johnson over Cameron........

There is a story that Ron Paul if Trump becomes president will be Secretary of the State. I think some on RUA would like this person as the replacement of John Kerry. Perhaps Ms. Nuland will be polishing her CV with this senario.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 02:25:54 PM

I figured out the master plan.

1. Get Trump to accept a Vice-President that is acceptable to the Republican Establishment.

2. Do everything they can to get Trump elected.

3. On day 2 of his administration, the House votes to impeach Donald Trump. Simple majority needed.

4. on day 3 of his administration the Senate votes to impeach Donald Trump. 2/3 majority needed. There should be more than enough Republicans that don't like Trump to partner with the Democrats to get this done. You'd only need 20 of the 54 current Senate members (could be easier if Democrats pick up seats in November)

5. day 4 of his administration, Trump is out and responsible government returns to the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on May 13, 2016, 02:45:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 02:25:54 PM

I figured out the master plan.

1. Get Trump to accept a Vice-President that is acceptable to the Republican Establishment.

2. Do everything they can to get Trump elected.

3. On day 2 of his administration, the House votes to impeach Donald Trump. Simple majority needed.

4. on day 3 of his administration the Senate votes to impeach Donald Trump. 2/3 majority needed. There should be more than enough Republicans that don't like Trump to partner with the Democrats to get this done. You'd only need 20 of the 54 current Senate members (could be easier if Democrats pick up seats in November)

5. day 4 of his administration, Trump is out and responsible government returns to the USA.

You mean a corrupt government of course... :ROFL:

You guys just don't like anything/anyone who rocks the boat and tell it how it is.. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 03:51:11 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 11:15:51 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 09:50:15 AM
Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:08:14 AM
Promoting America first? Conservative.

This is probably what scares me the most.

The kind of protective tariffs Trump is talking about will thrust the whole world into depression.

Telling private companies where and how they can operate? Sounds like socialism to me.

Smoot Hawley Act. Look it up and do a little research.

Those that don't remember history are destined to repeat it.

The idea that quality American manufacturers have to labor under mountains of restrictive OSHA, EPA, OFCCP, FTC, etc., regulations while SLAVE laborers with No air or water pollution controls and NO workplace safety controls, NO minimum wage laws are forced to labor 7 days a week 17 hours a day making trinkets for BILLIONAIRES profits including Apple, Microsoft, HP, Oracle, Dell and calls this FREE trade is guilty of HIGH TREASON against the people and workers in the USA not to mention Obamas precious Carbon Neutral taxed environment.

I hope TRUMP posts a 50% Tarriff on all slave labor manufacturers and services companies that DUMP dangerous UNSAFE crap in the USA (Lion batteries in gadgets, Notebook PCs and hoverboards that spontaneously combust WTF? ) Where is the EPA, OSHA and the FTC on this junk flooding our country not to mention cheap unsafe LION batteries that are TOXIC waste...

The USA will rapidly get back to quality manufacturing and the slave laborers will have to compete on quality instead of cheapest possible priced firebombs embedded in unnecessary cheap junk throw away electronics.

+1000!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 03:59:57 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 12:42:08 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 13, 2016, 12:25:12 PM

To be fair though, I cant see what damage the guy could do that is worse than what his predecessors did. I guess the house and senate approval Baggy mentioned is the checks and balances to stop him doing something crazy?

Surely start on the wall, start no more wars (and bring back your invaders elsewhere), and try to put the brakes on the losses (even) in the economy is a tall enough order on its own. If he can do any of that he might do some good.

Like I said, he can't do ANY of that as President by himself.

It ALL requires the action of one or both the sides of Congress.

Now, do you REALLY think Trump was reprimanding Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House and third in line to the Presidency of the United States in his own office yesterday? If so, let me tell you the one about the three bears.

BS. Trump doesn't need our do nothing, know nothing Congress to build a wall. He can declare a national emergency due to the fact there is evidence that terrorists have already come through that southern border.

The US military, all Police forces and the half of the American people that matter are behind him. F*CK Congress!! Worthless bunch of self-serving crooks! And Paul Ryan better get in line to do his bidding. If he doesn't he will be GONE.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 13, 2016, 04:01:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 02:25:54 PM

I figured out the master plan.

1. Get Trump to accept a Vice-President that is acceptable to the Republican Establishment.

2. Do everything they can to get Trump elected.

3. On day 2 of his administration, the House votes to impeach Donald Trump. Simple majority needed.

4. on day 3 of his administration the Senate votes to impeach Donald Trump. 2/3 majority needed. There should be more than enough Republicans that don't like Trump to partner with the Democrats to get this done. You'd only need 20 of the 54 current Senate members (could be easier if Democrats pick up seats in November)

5. day 4 of his administration, Trump is out and responsible government returns to the USA.

So, instead of overthrowing foreign governments, you are suggesting that the Republican Party overthrow the US government?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 04:03:47 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 02:25:54 PM

I figured out the master plan.

1. Get Trump to accept a Vice-President that is acceptable to the Republican Establishment.

2. Do everything they can to get Trump elected.

3. On day 2 of his administration, the House votes to impeach Donald Trump. Simple majority needed.

4. on day 3 of his administration the Senate votes to impeach Donald Trump. 2/3 majority needed. There should be more than enough Republicans that don't like Trump to partner with the Democrats to get this done. You'd only need 20 of the 54 current Senate members (could be easier if Democrats pick up seats in November)

5. day 4 of his administration, Trump is out and responsible government returns to the USA.

You need to go to drug rehab for smoking something and I don't mean marijuana! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 06:25:06 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 03:59:57 PM

BS. Trump doesn't need our do nothing, know nothing Congress to build a wall. He can declare a national emergency due to the fact there is evidence that terrorists have already come through that southern border.

Congress has to approve the money to build the wall.

It's never going to happen.

Certainly you can't be so naive to really believe he's actually going to build a wall?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 13, 2016, 06:34:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 06:25:06 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 03:59:57 PM
BS. Trump doesn't need our do nothing, know nothing Congress to build a wall. He can declare a national emergency due to the fact there is evidence that terrorists have already come through that southern border.

Congress has to approve the money to build the wall.

It's never going to happen.

Certainly you can't be so naive to really believe he's actually going to build a wall?

Trump made it very clear that he will make Mexico pay for the wall. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 13, 2016, 06:50:21 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 13, 2016, 06:34:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 06:25:06 PM
Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 03:59:57 PM
BS. Trump doesn't need our do nothing, know nothing Congress to build a wall. He can declare a national emergency due to the fact there is evidence that terrorists have already come through that southern border.

Congress has to approve the money to build the wall.

It's never going to happen.

Certainly you can't be so naive to really believe he's actually going to build a wall?

Trump made it very clear that he will make Mexico pay for the wall. :)

And if Trump were to be elected he would have a huge mandate that would likely compel all the do nothing idiots to do something.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 07:03:38 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 13, 2016, 06:50:21 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 13, 2016, 06:34:52 PM
Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 06:25:06 PM
Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 03:59:57 PM
BS. Trump doesn't need our do nothing, know nothing Congress to build a wall. He can declare a national emergency due to the fact there is evidence that terrorists have already come through that southern border.

Congress has to approve the money to build the wall.

It's never going to happen.

Certainly you can't be so naive to really believe he's actually going to build a wall?

Trump made it very clear that he will make Mexico pay for the wall. :)

And if Trump were to be elected he would have a huge mandate that would likely compel all the do nothing idiots to do something.

News flash congress ALREADY appropriated the funds... held up by environazis something about endangered lizards... screw the endangered dopey Americano kids being poisoned by a tidal wave of cheap Sinaloa cartel heroin. National Security decree and the Wall gets built and reimbursed by holding up all the illegals $25 Billion in remittances back to Mexico. No wonder Vincente Foxx whistling a different tune out of the other side of his arse... Mexico is a narco-terrorist state and time to pay the piper.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 07:11:46 PM

Ralph Nader: Trump’s Done Some Good, Clinton’s Winning By ‘Dictatorship’
He heaps praise on Bernie Sanders, but won’t reveal how he'll vote in November.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-13/ralph-nader-donald-trump-has-done-some-good-hillary-clintons-winning-by-dictatorship
Ralph Nader, the former Green Party presidential candidate and lifelong consumer activist, says Donald Trump's dizzying presidential candidacy hasn't been all bad, while Hillary Clinton is winning the Democratic nomination by "dictatorship."

And:

Trump Reacts To 'Bombshell' Report That Bill Clinton Charity Gave $2 Million To Friend's Company
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-reacts-bombshell-report-bill-152000071.html

Donald Trump has called Friday’s New York Post cover story “a bombshell” that may cause a big headache for former President Bill Clinton. The GOP frontrunner said: "It's a rough story and a lot of people have been talking about it for years."

The woman is wealthy divorcee Julie Tauber McMahon, a neighbor of the Clintons in Chappaqua, New York.

The 54-year-old business executive is described as the so-called "Energizer," a nickname given to her by the Secret Service for her supposed frequent visits to the Clinton home.

Citing a 2010 Clinton Global Initiative statement, The Post reports that the charity “commits $2 million to support the work of Energy Pioneer Solutions, a company founded to deliver energy savings to communities in rural America.”

Energy Pioneer Solutions is partially owned by McMahon.

IE spoke to Ron Kessler, author of The First Family Detail.

“Unlike Hillary, ‘Energizer’ is very nice to Secret Service agents,” the author said.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 07:18:50 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 13, 2016, 06:34:52 PM

Trump made it very clear that he will make Mexico pay for the wall. :)

Fairy tale.

It will never happen. You can't make another sovereign country pay for something unless they agree to do it.

Just like it will never happen that all illegal immigrants will be forced to leave.

Tariffs must be passed by the House. They'll never do it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 13, 2016, 07:34:42 PM

He is in good company; Arseniy Yatsenyuk promised to build a wall too.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 13, 2016, 08:19:10 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 07:18:50 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 13, 2016, 06:34:52 PM
Trump made it very clear that he will make Mexico pay for the wall. :)

Fairy tale.

It will never happen. You can't make another sovereign country pay for something unless they agree to do it.

Just like it will never happen that all illegal immigrants will be forced to leave.

Tariffs must be passed by the House. They'll never do it.

And what is left of America will die :GRAVE:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 08:58:25 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 13, 2016, 08:19:10 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on May 13, 2016, 06:34:52 PM
Trump made it very clear that he will make Mexico pay for the wall. :)

Fairy tale.

It will never happen. You can't make another sovereign country pay for something unless they agree to do it.

Just like it will never happen that all illegal immigrants will be forced to leave.

Tariffs must be passed by the House. They'll never do it.

And what is left of America will die :GRAVE:

Reality check - much of the $25Billion in remittances to Mexico is from illegal aliens illegal wages and drug sales proceeds - can freeze this under executive order to determine how much is Drugs Cartel money in micro remittances... investigation could take two years or more in a Trump friendly Senate and House due to National Security reasons... Mexico gets another $10B+ in foreign aid and another $55 Billion NAFTA trade surplus by manipulating their currency and violating myriad WTO provisions...

At this point, anyone who is anti-Trump is a pro-Mexican Narco Terrorist Anti-American traitor.

Live with it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:31:57 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 07:18:50 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 13, 2016, 06:34:52 PM
Trump made it very clear that he will make Mexico pay for the wall. :)

Fairy tale.

It will never happen. You can't make another sovereign country pay for something unless they agree to do it.

Just like it will never happen that all illegal immigrants will be forced to leave.

Tariffs must be passed by the House. They'll never do it.

Truly bizarre my friend. I say my friend because allegedly, you are a Republican. The first priority of any good President of the United States of America and any good Congress is to ensure the safety of it's citizens and the sovereignty of the USA.

Because Obama and our (previously, it will change and change fast under Trump) do nothing Congress, our citizens are absolutely not safe nor is our country sovereign.

Yet here you are indicating that you care more about the sovereignty of a 3rd World cesspool to our south with endemic corruption. Shame, shame, shame.

I don't care one iota for the alleged sovereignty of Mexico, and I say alleged because clearly their politicians are mostly on the payroll of the drug cartels. Who suffers? The Mexican people do. Now I really do care about the average Mexican person, which is why the USA must build a wall and send illegals back.

Only when Mexicans realize that they can no longer up and move to the USA will they fight for their own rights and the sovereignty of their own country.

Charity begins at home and my home is the USA. My ancestors came from Europe more than two hundred years ago and they came here legally. I want a secure border and there will be a HUGE mandate for a secure border. I don't care to hear any more of your excuses and neither do a majority of law abiding American citizens.

I'm going to start calling you Moby if you continue to make excuses as to why the greatest country on planet Earth cannot secure her borders.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:49:38 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 08:58:25 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 13, 2016, 08:19:10 PM
Quote from: shakespear on May 13, 2016, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on May 13, 2016, 06:34:52 PM
Trump made it very clear that he will make Mexico pay for the wall. :)

Fairy tale.

It will never happen. You can't make another sovereign country pay for something unless they agree to do it.

Just like it will never happen that all illegal immigrants will be forced to leave.

Tariffs must be passed by the House. They'll never do it.

And what is left of America will die :GRAVE:

Reality check - much of the $25Billion in remittances to Mexico is from illegal aliens illegal wages and drug sales proceeds - can freeze this under executive order to determine how much is Drugs Cartel money in micro remittances... investigation could take two years or more in a Trump friendly Senate and House due to National Security reasons... Mexico gets another $10B+ in foreign aid and another $55 Billion NAFTA trade surplus by manipulating their currency and violating myriad WTO provisions...

At this point, anyone who is anti-Trump is a pro-Mexican Narco Terrorist Anti-American traitor.

Live with it.

Amen brother. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 09:55:59 PM

It's official, former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich is on Donald Trumps short-list for Vice President. I like Newt Gingrich a lot and because of his extensive knowledge of Congress and how government works he would be an excellent choice. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 13, 2016, 09:59:14 PM

I get discouraged from time to time about the greed and unfairness of it all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 10:04:19 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 13, 2016, 09:59:14 PM

I get discouraged from time to time about the greed and unfairness of it all.

The greed and unfairness of what? Trump is our last best hope to save the USA from the march of globalism. No doubt if Hillary is elected it's all over.

If you're not an elite your standard of living will continue to deteriorate, as it has already for the past 10 years or so.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 14, 2016, 01:28:42 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 10:04:19 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 13, 2016, 09:59:14 PM

I get discouraged from time to time about the greed and unfairness of it all.

The greed and unfairness of what? Trump is our last best hope to save the USA from the march of globalism. No doubt if Hillary is elected it's all over.

If you're not an elite your standard of living will continue to deteriorate, as it has already for the past 10 years or so.

I was referring to the system.

Also another example of Obama dragging morality down another notch.

Quote

SARAH KESSLER 05.13.16 12:45 PM
President Obama’s Twitter account, which is run by his "Organizing for Action" staff, follows 636,000 accounts. Many of them you might expect: Michelle Obama, Joe Biden, John Kerry. Even Mariah Carey and Snoop Dogg don't really raise an eyebrow. But several accounts on the presidential follow list fit a different theme: Asa Akira, a porn star who has 653,000 followers and, in her Twitter bio, states "I have an award-winning asshole." Joanna Angel (390,000 followers), who describes herself as a "multiple award winning punk porno princess;" Penthouse Pet Of The Year Nikki Benz (808,000 followers); and Ashley Steel (138,000 followers), who writes that she is a "Porn Star, Doggy mama, Happiness Junkie, XXX Model, Buddhist, & Total nerd."

So why is the official Twitter account for the president of the United States publicly following adult movie stars? Of course, American porn stars are just as American (and just as worthy of the President's ear) as anyone else, but this interaction is nonetheless an unusual move for an elected official's campaign-managed social media account.

More: http://www.fastcompany.com/3059861/why-does-president-obamas-twitter-account-follow-porn-stars

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 14, 2016, 07:44:40 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 08:58:25 PM

At this point, anyone who is anti-Trump is a pro-Mexican Narco Terrorist Anti-American traitor.

That is as ridiculous as writing that anyone who is pro-Trump is a brain-dead, misogynistic, cowardly, draft-dodging racist.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 14, 2016, 08:39:57 AM

Quote from: TomT on May 14, 2016, 07:44:40 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 08:58:25 PM
At this point, anyone who is anti-Trump is a pro-Mexican Narco Terrorist Anti-American traitor.

That is as ridiculous as writing that anyone who is pro-Trump is a brain-dead, misogynistic, cowardly, draft-dodging racist.

Except that you really believe what you just wrote. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 14, 2016, 08:43:59 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 14, 2016, 01:28:42 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 13, 2016, 10:04:19 PM
Quote from: Maxx on May 13, 2016, 09:59:14 PM

I get discouraged from time to time about the greed and unfairness of it all.

The greed and unfairness of what? Trump is our last best hope to save the USA from the march of globalism. No doubt if Hillary is elected it's all over.

If you're not an elite your standard of living will continue to deteriorate, as it has already for the past 10 years or so.

I was referring to the system.

Also another example of Obama dragging morality down another notch.

Quote
SARAH KESSLER 05.13.16 12:45 PM
President Obama’s Twitter account, which is run by his "Organizing for Action" staff, follows 636,000 accounts. Many of them you might expect: Michelle Obama, Joe Biden, John Kerry. Even Mariah Carey and Snoop Dogg don't really raise an eyebrow. But several accounts on the presidential follow list fit a different theme: Asa Akira, a porn star who has 653,000 followers and, in her Twitter bio, states "I have an award-winning asshole." Joanna Angel (390,000 followers), who describes herself as a "multiple award winning punk porno princess;" Penthouse Pet Of The Year Nikki Benz (808,000 followers); and Ashley Steel (138,000 followers), who writes that she is a "Porn Star, Doggy mama, Happiness Junkie, XXX Model, Buddhist, & Total nerd."

So why is the official Twitter account for the president of the United States publicly following adult movie stars? Of course, American porn stars are just as American (and just as worthy of the President's ear) as anyone else, but this interaction is nonetheless an unusual move for an elected official's campaign-managed social media account.

More: http://www.fastcompany.com/3059861/why-does-president-obamas-twitter-account-follow-porn-stars

Maxx,

I think you need to read further into the article: (there's more after this quote but this should suffice)

Quote
"The most likely culprit is a piece of Twitter etiquette known as the "follow back." Some consider it polite to follow your followers, and until recently, only Twitter accounts that followed each other could communicate through direct messages, which added a practical component to the tradition. Twitter once had an "auto-follow" feature that handled this process on behalf of users by automatically following any new followers. Twitter removed that auto-follow feature from its own site in 2009, but the capability stuck around in its API until 2013, allowing many third-party tools to set accounts to "auto-follow" regardless.

Even if a social media agency or volunteer had controlled for variables like number of followers, which can indicate the legitimacy of an account, it wouldn’t necessarily have filtered accounts from, say, popular porn stars."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 14, 2016, 02:42:19 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 14, 2016, 08:39:57 AM

Quote from: TomT on May 14, 2016, 07:44:40 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 08:58:25 PM
At this point, anyone who is anti-Trump is a pro-Mexican Narco Terrorist Anti-American traitor.

That is as ridiculous as writing that anyone who is pro-Trump is a brain-dead, misogynistic, cowardly, draft-dodging racist.

Except that you really believe what you just wrote. :chuckle:

There is always someone at the party who doesn't get the jokes and needs to have them explained.

Cuffy has been ranting about his vaunted military service for years; now, he is infatuated with a tough-talking, but cowardly, draft-dodger.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 14, 2016, 03:39:32 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 14, 2016, 02:42:19 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 14, 2016, 08:39:57 AM
Quote from: TomT on May 14, 2016, 07:44:40 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 08:58:25 PM
At this point, anyone who is anti-Trump is a pro-Mexican Narco Terrorist Anti-American traitor.

That is as ridiculous as writing that anyone who is pro-Trump is a brain-dead, misogynistic, cowardly, draft-dodging racist.

Except that you really believe what you just wrote. :chuckle:

There is always someone at the party who doesn't get the jokes and needs to have them explained.

Cuffy has been ranting about his vaunted military service for years; now, he is infatuated with a tough-talking, but cowardly, draft-dodger.

Ronald Reagan made WWII war bond etc., movies in support of the War effort, George W Bush served in the Texas Air Natl Guard during Vietnam to protect Texas from invasion from Mexico, Arkansas and Oklahoma, FDRs sons served in choice Pentagon posts... all Non Combat Roles a form of elites combat service avoidance whereas I my father and uncles and grand uncles all served in combat units... So this ranting makes me uniquely qualified to judge a mans character... Was Trump perfect? Am I perfect considering I am willing to Nuke ALL of our Enemies like Harry S. Truman did to save 5 to 10 million souls and end WWII?

Call it Ranting all you want in an effort to denigrate my and my families history of honorable military service in multiple combat roles. Reflects your real character.

I stand uniquely capable and qualified to judge Donald John Trump as a true pro American patriot who puts the national interests of the USA Nation State ahead of the New Word Order Deep State globalist elites and their bought off minions Romney, Cruz, Kasich, Clintons, and worst of all Barrack Hussein Obama the countries first anti American exceptionalism hate and apologize for America First POTUS.

Fortunately Donald John Trump has amassed enough FU money, assets, media savvy and charisma as well as a GAFBA and patriotic instincts to tell the truth against the Globalists power and inspire a massive Army of American Patriots and Military Veterans to work together with him to make America truly great again beginning by ridding our country of the PC Social Justice Warrior Militant Feminist Pro LGBTQ Obamunist hate America first cancer that they have metastasized across the USA over the past 8 years.

Is Trump perfect - no man is perfect however Trump is perfect as the Pro American Nationalist POTUS we need to rebuild and save our country from Globalist Clinton-Obamunist traitors.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 14, 2016, 05:51:21 PM

^What he said. (sort of) :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 14, 2016, 05:53:00 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 14, 2016, 02:42:19 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 14, 2016, 08:39:57 AM
Quote from: TomT on May 14, 2016, 07:44:40 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on May 13, 2016, 08:58:25 PM
At this point, anyone who is anti-Trump is a pro-Mexican Narco Terrorist Anti-American traitor.

That is as ridiculous as writing that anyone who is pro-Trump is a brain-dead, misogynistic, cowardly, draft-dodging racist.

Except that you really believe what you just wrote. :chuckle:

There is always someone at the party who doesn't get the jokes and needs to have them explained.

Cuffy has been ranting about his vaunted military service for years; now, he is infatuated with a tough-talking, but cowardly, draft-dodger.

I always thought that it took some courage to avoid a draft, especially back then when there was more peer pressure to "just go along" and be hawkish and join.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 14, 2016, 09:16:50 PM

The final bizarre desperation of the "never Trump" group of RINO's.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/inside-the-gop-effort-to-draft-an-independent-candidate-to-derail-trump/ar-BBt31WZ?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 14, 2016, 09:34:21 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 14, 2016, 05:53:00 PM

I always thought that...

... heroes evaded the draft whilst cowards went to war. I'm not surprised.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 14, 2016, 10:15:35 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 14, 2016, 09:16:50 PM

The final bizarre desperation of the "never Trump" group of RINO's.

Cuban would have made a much more acceptable candidate than Trump. He's much more Presidential and a MUCH better businessman.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 14, 2016, 11:35:43 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 14, 2016, 09:34:21 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 14, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
I always thought that...

... heroes evaded the draft whilst cowards went to war. I'm not surprised.

You simplify things when it suits you and that is why you are intellectually dishonest. "Draft dodgers" go to prison and get felony records when they defy the draft board. They know this will happen yet they say "NO!" to being sent off to kill for some war meant to help the portfolios of guys like Shakespear.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 14, 2016, 11:37:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 14, 2016, 10:15:35 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 14, 2016, 09:16:50 PM
The final bizarre desperation of the "never Trump" group of RINO's.

Cuban would have made a much more acceptable candidate than Trump. He's much more Presidential and a MUCH better businessman.

Not really. He got in early on the dot-com boom and Yahoo bought him for $5.7 Billion, which he presumably split with his co-founder. From 2000 to 2011 or so, he grew that 2.35B to ... wait for it ... about $2.6B.

Not a bad showing (he got out of the Yahoo stock as he realized a dot-com bust was coming). But adding slightly more than 10% total over 11 years is not great.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 15, 2016, 12:42:22 AM

Our next president unless we get lucky and get Trump.

SALLY MILLER: Hillary and her ‘coke habit’

BY SALLY MILLER Former Miss Arkansas and mistress of Bill Clinton

"Like other men I’ve known, Bill Clinton fantasized about having a covey of females, all with full breasts, shapely long legs, and tight, eager vaginas in bed with him.

After watching his bed-mates kiss and fondle each other for a while, then he’d join the action.

When I asked Bill if he shared his fantasies with Hillary, he laughed.

“What a joke! Sex is a waste of time to Hillary. When we were dating, she talked about making-out with her girlfriends in college because she knew it turned me on. Hillary seemed worldly and more sexually-experienced than me and, at the time, I liked it.”

“Before we married, I got her pregnant and she had an abortion. It bothered me because I didn’t know about it until it was over. Then, several months after the wedding, she slipped up again because she was too lazy to take the pill.

“Hillary hates kids. She was one nasty bitch when she was pregnant. My God, for nine months, she made my life a living hell and blamed me!

“From the beginning, our political advisors warned us that Hillary must take my last name and concentrate on having a child if I was going to have a future in politics. I saw the real Hillary after we got married.

“She’s a damn frigid bitch who prefers women; she won’t even compromise and be bi-sexual. All I hear is how much she despises penises; she thinks they are :censored: ing ugly, like snakes.”

Bill mentioned, “The only time Hillary gets aroused or agree to ‘play sexy’ is after she snorts coke. But, even then, she’s rigid and frigid. Hillary goes ape-shit crazy–I mean screams, hits, and cusses–if I touch her breasts! Right after we started fooling around, she warned me to stay away from her tits, even telling me: ‘If you want to nurse–go home to your momma!’”

Hillary Clinton despised Bill’s brother Roger but, she had to be nice to him since he supplied her coke habit.

(Roger Clinton was charged with and convicted of a cocaine-related offense in 1985 and pardoned by Bill in 2001.)

Bill talked about Hillary taking off work lots of times, desperate to find Roger. She cursed Roger but, at the same time, she had to be nice since he was her only source of coke.

She smoked weed but coke was her addiction.

I recall Bill saying, “Everyone, including my staff, people at the law firm, even friends, knows Hillary is a cokehead but that’s okay. We tolerate Hillary on coke cause without it, Hillary’s a raving maniac.

“My God, we’ve had to borrow money to replace lamps, chairs, all kinds of valuable shit in the governor’s mansion just because of Hillary’s temper! I’ve had to take Chelsea outside many times to keep her out of Hillary’s ‘line of fire.’ Without her ‘fix’ Hillary’s Hell on Wheels.”

All these years later, I think Hillary is completely selfish and unstable; she’s a façade when it comes to dependability, commitment, and dedication.

Hillary has an attitude of entitlement; she believes anything and everything she does is okay and no one can question her. She never stops talking out of both sides of her mouth.

I continue to ask Hillary supporters, “What has Hillary accomplished other than keeping herself in politics, garnering enormous sums of money—all for her, and, like a rock star, maintaining a presence in the media? What has Hillary Rodham Clinton EVER done for anyone, other than herself?”

I may not know men but I know women. I speak from experience: Hillary Clinton is a FAKE. If you can prove otherwise, I’ll kiss Hillary’s caboose!"

Heaven help America and heaven help the world if she becomes president.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 15, 2016, 01:40:14 AM

To my Internet friends Anteros and Cufflinks and Andrew and Manny if you want to understand us.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 15, 2016, 05:00:11 AM

Quote from: TomT on May 14, 2016, 09:34:21 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 14, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
I always thought that...

... heroes evaded the draft whilst cowards went to war. I'm not surprised.

As Maxx just wrote, you are intellectually dishonest, to say the least.

In fact you're a bold faced liar. You took a portion of what I wrote and totally rewrote & reinterpreted it.

Your statement assumes that all wars are just. I don't assume this. In fact I believe that the Vietnam war was a mistake, as many wars are a mistake.

Now when I was younger I was easily influenced by "patriotism" just like any other 18 year old kid. I likely would have been hood-winked into that war if I had been alive and 18 years old when it started.

I'm glad that wasn't the case. However the point is that each young man must decide for themselves. I'm sure it would have taken courage to avoid going to that war and risk prison instead.

Furthermore I never wrote that cowards went to war -- you did in your attempt to mislead.

You of all people, with your incessant bashing of the USA in regards to the Iraq war, should know that "draft dodgers" during the Vietnam era, did have some courage to do what they did. Not the type of courage that many people admired back then, but still courage.

But thanks for playing. Better luck next time with your effort to totally misconstrue what was written. I'm sure you miss the "good ole days" when you had a few of your troll friends to jump in on the "shaming". :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 15, 2016, 05:17:22 AM

Quote from: TomT on May 14, 2016, 09:34:21 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 14, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
I always thought that...

... heroes evaded the draft whilst cowards went to war. I'm not surprised.

This is a load of crap about avoiding being drafted being cowardly, it is a perverted form of rhetoric designed to score political points in a militaristic and heavaily over militarised society.

I know people who chose to not join the draft in their countries, usually by the simple expedient of doing that which their state wanted - getting an education. I know others who chose to interrupt their education by doing their time in the armed services of their countries. Lets be realistic about this, there's no heroism in marching around a parade ground, eating crappy food and sometimes doing exercises using old military kit. I certainly feel no less regard for those of my peers who chose to not do national service as compared to those who did. The folks who chose to do national service did so because they wanted to do so, they enjoyed their time and still have good memories of that time. They are no more or less heroic than anyone else.

And, yes, for once the ant has a point, there is a degree to which it is harder to go against the flow than to go with it. Going with requires no choices, no thought, no checking of one's conscience and no chance of ever having to deal with idiots who in later years might well come out with the crap we are seeing on forums like this one and much larger ones across the Land of the Free.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 15, 2016, 10:37:51 AM

Kinda disappointed with this short list.

Carson says Christie, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio and Palin are on Trump’s shortlist for VP

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vp-shortlist-cruz-palin-152539923.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 15, 2016, 11:01:22 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 15, 2016, 10:37:51 AM

Kinda disappointed with this short list.

Carson says Christie, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio and Palin are on Trump’s shortlist for VP

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vp-shortlist-cruz-palin-152539923.html

Intereseting list. I could not support Cruz, Rubio or Palin.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 15, 2016, 12:40:43 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 15, 2016, 05:17:22 AM

And, yes, for once the ant has a point...

As do I: Anteros, like the Donald, is just another tough-talker who is incapable of doing the wet work.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 15, 2016, 12:48:51 PM

Tom, you know as well as I do that most people in the military never get anywhere ever being in harm's way. To suggest that avoiding the inconvenience of national service is due to cowardice is most unlikely to be true.

A person who was a coward would be well able to avoid that of which he was afraid if he chose to do so.

Avoidance of national service is about avoiding inconvenience and you know it. Here's another truth: one dies not get to be doing that which Trump is now doing and be a coward. Doesn't happen. The last thing that one can reasonably say of any of the current crop of presidential aspirants, including the ones now dropped out is that they are cowards. Many other shortcomings they may have but cowardice no, and I think that you know it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 15, 2016, 01:11:15 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 15, 2016, 12:48:51 PM

Tom, you know as well as I do that most people in the military never get anywhere ever being in harm's way. To suggest that avoiding the inconvenience of national service is due to cowardice is most unlikely to be true.

A person who was a coward would be well able to avoid that of which he was afraid if he chose to do so.

Avoidance of national service is about avoiding inconvenience and you know it. Here's another truth: one dies not get to be doing that which Trump is now doing and be a coward. Doesn't happen. The last thing that one can reasonably say of any of the current crop of presidential aspirants, including the ones now dropped out is that they are cowards. Many other shortcomings they may have but cowardice no, and I think that you know it.

1) Telling me what I know, or what you think that I know, is very distracting.

2) One is more likely to face enemy fire in the military that whilst doing inverted skate-boarding on a public thoroughfare.

3) "That which Trump is now doing" is little more than a symptom of his narcissism.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 15, 2016, 01:22:39 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 15, 2016, 05:17:22 AM

Quote from: TomT on May 14, 2016, 09:34:21 PM
Quote from: Anteros on May 14, 2016, 05:53:00 PM
I always thought that...

... heroes evaded the draft whilst cowards went to war. I'm not surprised.

This is a load of crap about avoiding being drafted being cowardly, it is a perverted form of rhetoric designed to score political points in a militaristic and heavaily over militarised society.

I know people who chose to not join the draft in their countries, usually by the simple expedient of doing that which their state wanted - getting an education. I know others who chose to interrupt their education by doing their time in the armed services of their countries. Lets be realistic about this, there's no heroism in marching around a parade ground, eating crappy food and sometimes doing exercises using old military kit. I certainly feel no less regard for those of my peers who chose to not do national service as compared to those who did. The folks who chose to do national service did so because they wanted to do so, they enjoyed their time and still have good memories of that time. They are no more or less heroic than anyone else.

And, yes, for once the ant has a point, there is a degree to which it is harder to go against the flow than to go with it. Going with requires no choices, no thought, no checking of one's conscience and no chance of ever having to deal with idiots who in later years might well come out with the crap we are seeing on forums like this one and much larger ones across the Land of the Free.

Astounding this is the most incredible bit of nutless mangina purse puppy pacifist rationalization to not defend your country and people I have ever read. No wonder pro ISIS Mullahs are extolling their devout radical Islamist followers to flood all of Europe and inseminate as many European females starved on an elemental level for alpha males to breed the pacifist militant feminist metrosexual tendencies out of the weak modern liberal European genetics.

Will be no more euro mangina pacifists in about 20 to 30 years with aggressive pro Islamist out breeding and cross breeding with sexually eager European females.

Vikings in Valhalla are in stunned disbelief of the modern weakness of their once invincible genetic line.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 15, 2016, 02:54:51 PM

Trump message might offend some, but the reality is the world has changed, and there is no way of knowing without a proper vetting processes who is entering the country.

Unfortunately it's too late to do anything after a terrorist attack.
So an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Those that object to a ban on muzzies, don't seem to have a better way to stop the problem.

Trump: Immigrants will commit new 9/11’s using ‘cell phones with ISIS flags on them’

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/trump-immigrants-will-commit-new-911s-using-cell-phones-with-isis-flags-on-them/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 15, 2016, 03:27:34 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 15, 2016, 01:11:15 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 15, 2016, 12:48:51 PM
Tom, you know as well as I do that most people in the military never get anywhere ever being in harm's way. To suggest that avoiding the inconvenience of national service is due to cowardice is most unlikely to be true.

A person who was a coward would be well able to avoid that of which he was afraid if he chose to do so.

Avoidance of national service is about avoiding inconvenience and you know it. Here's another truth: one dies not get to be doing that which Trump is now doing and be a coward. Doesn't happen. The last thing that one can reasonably say of any of the current crop of presidential aspirants, including the ones now dropped out is that they are cowards. Many other shortcomings they may have but cowardice no, and I think that you know it.

1) Telling me what I know, or what you think that I know, is very distracting.

2) One is more likely to face enemy fire in the military that whilst doing inverted skate-boarding on a public thoroughfare.

3) "That which Trump is now doing" is little more than a symptom of his narcissism.

1) Listen more closely then.

2) Not if you volunteer with the Air Force or Navy.

3) Narcissism can be a useful tool.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 15, 2016, 05:51:57 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 15, 2016, 12:40:43 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 15, 2016, 05:17:22 AM
And, yes, for once Anteros has a point...

As do I: Anteros, like the Donald, is just another tough-talker who is incapable of doing the wet work.

This isn't about me, it's about those who decided to be conscientious objectors back when the USA had a draft, which was during the Vietnam era.

However since you've attempted to make it about me, I would be more than happy to wager you an easy $500.00 that I am a military veteran. I would be happy to provide photographic evidence and a copy of my DD214 to moderator B/B, if you would accept the wager. You're obviously implying or claiming that I am NOT a military veteran.

So TomT, put up or shut-up. Which one will it be Tommy? You got caught deliberately misconstruing my words. In a nutshell you're a troll. You're not happy unless you're deflecting, committing a logical fallacy and attempting to smear somebody in the process.

I really wouldn't expect you to pay up either. Shakespeare and I differ greatly on the future of the Republican party, but Shakespeare is a stand-up guy who doesn't make silly claims without backing it up. He paid me and I expect he will pay Slumba.

You OTOH are a lot of hot air and a guy who attempts to make a lot of moot points. Did you vote for Bill Clinton? I believe you did. Bill Clinton was also not a military veteran (like Trump). Did you vote for Obama? I believe you did. Again not a military veteran.

I am an honorably discharged veteran. However I don't look down on conscientious objectors during the Vietnam era.

Further you stated "incapable of doing the wet work". In case you don't know "wet work" is reserved for spooks and green berets and others who commit political and other illegal assassinations.

Are you now claiming that you were some sort of spook, who did some "wet work"? You're a real character Tommy.

If you were just a regular grunt (infantry) who in the line of duty killed some enemy soldiers, I would not call that "wet work". I believe you've misspoken, perhaps deliberately.

You voted for Clinton and Obama -- neither one were military veterans. You feel you should hold a higher standard to Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 15, 2016, 06:02:06 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 15, 2016, 11:01:22 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 15, 2016, 10:37:51 AM
Kinda disappointed with this short list.

Carson says Christie, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio and Palin are on Trump’s shortlist for VP

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vp-shortlist-cruz-palin-152539923.html

Intereseting list. I could not support Cruz, Rubio or Palin.

.

His list is a mistake because he forgot Newt Gingrich. Newt is on the shortlist and I would be very happy with him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 15, 2016, 06:17:17 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 15, 2016, 06:02:06 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 15, 2016, 11:01:22 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on May 15, 2016, 10:37:51 AM
Kinda disappointed with this short list.

Carson says Christie, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio and Palin are on Trump’s shortlist for VP

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vp-shortlist-cruz-palin-152539923.html

Intereseting list. I could not support Cruz, Rubio or Palin.
.

His list is a mistake because he forgot Newt Gingrich. Newt is on the shortlist and I would be very happy with him.

The more I read it, the more I read a "short listing of people on his list". Could be wrong but I get the feeling it is one of those false headlines that make it sound like something special.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 15, 2016, 06:50:56 PM

Some real ammo against the Clintons:

Hillary Clinton Exposed: The Truth About Hillary | Biography Documentary | 2016 | Full

Some more major ammo against the Clintons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Cash
Movie to come out before the Dems convention...

"Clinton Cash" Official Trailer

SALLY MILLER: Hillary and her ‘coke habit’ This coke fiend cannot have her fingers near the nuclear launch "football"
http://theamericanmirror.com/sally-mille...oke-habit/

Ooops Maxx posted this one up stream... well might as well have the links together...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 15, 2016, 07:19:47 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 15, 2016, 06:50:56 PM

Ooops Maxx posted this one up stream... well might as well have the links together...

It is OK. We are both on the same page.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 15, 2016, 07:22:07 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 15, 2016, 06:02:06 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 15, 2016, 11:01:22 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on May 15, 2016, 10:37:51 AM
Kinda disappointed with this short list.

Carson says Christie, Cruz, Kasich, Rubio and Palin are on Trump’s shortlist for VP

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vp-shortlist-cruz-palin-152539923.html

Intereseting list. I could not support Cruz, Rubio or Palin.
.

His list is a mistake because he forgot Newt Gingrich. Newt is on the shortlist and I would be very happy with him.

I like Newt Gingrich also.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 15, 2016, 07:48:28 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 15, 2016, 05:51:57 PM

I am an honorably discharged veteran.

You must think that I share your short (fruit fly) attention span; I recall your posting that you were stationed in Germany, so I would be foolish to accept your asinine wager. Surviving a tour in peacetime Germany was certainly heroic, by the way!

In regard to wet work, unlike you, language has evolved since the days of mokroye delo. As time passed, the term became less exclusive and eventually denoted pretty much any messy task that one has to do personally. Recently, it has even been associated with men who pay other men to urinate on them. You probably know much more about that subject than I do so I'll defer to you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 15, 2016, 10:29:17 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 15, 2016, 07:48:28 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 15, 2016, 05:51:57 PM
I am an honorably discharged veteran.

You must think that I share your short (fruit fly) attention span; I recall your posting that you were stationed in Germany, so I would be foolish to accept your asinine wager. Surviving a tour in peacetime Germany was certainly heroic, by the way!

This is what you reduce yourself to, in a desperate attempt to convince yourself you are superior?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 15, 2016, 10:41:44 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 15, 2016, 07:48:28 PM

Surviving a tour in peacetime Germany was certainly heroic, by the way!

I think it is bad form to ridicule the circumstances of ANYONES military service, especially when you never wore the uniform yourself.

It's a fact the Trump used his wealth and connections to avoid military service. Because others did the same does not validate his actions in that regard. He's going to have to own his record and the consequences of those actions as the campaign progresses.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 16, 2016, 01:11:25 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 15, 2016, 10:41:44 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 15, 2016, 07:48:28 PM
Surviving a tour in peacetime Germany was certainly heroic, by the way!

I think it is bad form to ridicule the circumstances of ANYONES military service, especially when you never wore the uniform yourself.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on May 16, 2016, 04:01:21 AM

Interesting article in the UK Daily Telegraph.. hardly known for being 'liberal'..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/16/donald-trump-warns-of-not-very-good-relationship-with-david-came/

I note Trump has now bactracked stating there would be exceptions..... presumably members of any golf clubs in which his has financial interests like Dubai, Azerbaijan...))

No wonder the Kremlin wants him to win....the 'unifier' is already doing just the opposite ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 16, 2016, 07:32:39 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 15, 2016, 10:41:44 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 15, 2016, 07:48:28 PM
Surviving a tour in peacetime Germany was certainly heroic, by the way!
I think it is bad form to ridicule the circumstances of ANYONES military service, especially when you never wore the uniform yourself.

Anteros invited discussion with his ridiculous offer of a wager:

Quote from: Anteros on May 15, 2016, 05:51:57 PM

...I would be more than happy to wager you an easy $500.00 that I am a military veteran. I would be happy to provide photographic evidence and a copy of my DD214 to moderator B/B, if you would accept the wager. You're obviously implying or claiming that I am NOT a military veteran.

So TomT, put up or shut-up. Which one will it be Tommy?

Apparently, he took me for even more of a fool than he is. Of course, it wasn't as foolish as someone offering even odds on Trump vs Clinton...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 16, 2016, 09:13:27 AM

This is the #1 reason why Donald Trump will never be President of the United States.

You can't have 70% of registered female voters hate you and win a national election.

There aren't enough stupid, politically ignorant and under-employed white men to equal them out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?_r=1

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 16, 2016, 09:45:48 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 15, 2016, 10:41:44 PM

I think it is bad form to ridicule the circumstances of ANYONES military service, especially when you never wore the uniform yourself.

It's Old Man Shouts At Clouds, who just recently introduced urophilia into the conversation. While you are certainly not wrong, your expectations may be set too high....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 16, 2016, 10:19:41 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 16, 2016, 09:45:48 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 15, 2016, 10:41:44 PM
I think it is bad form to ridicule the circumstances of ANYONES military service, especially when you never wore the uniform yourself.

It's Old Man Shouts At Clouds, who just recently introduced urophilia into the conversation. While you are certainly not wrong, your expectations may be set too high....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 16, 2016, 11:15:02 AM

The Texas governor gets it, why don't the rest ?

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/16/texas-gov-why-im-supporting-trump-and-why-sitting-on-the-sidelines-isnt-ok.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 16, 2016, 12:24:38 PM

The Texas governor would make a good running mate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 16, 2016, 03:16:05 PM

The liberal media tried to portray Trump as a womanizer, but it kinda backfired when the woman has come forward to set things straight.

Woman in NYT piece about Trump's mistreatment of women fires back

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/05/16/new-york-times-trump-women-rowanne-brewer-lane/84435570/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 16, 2016, 03:28:48 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 16, 2016, 12:24:38 PM

The Texas governor would make a good running mate.

I hope Trump decides on a running mate that is not main stream, but with a good political background.
A big name politician might turn off the people that are looking for change.
Of course it's not a popularity contest, so there's a need to have a running mate that will help solidify what's needed to get the electoral college vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 16, 2016, 08:01:25 PM

For the moment Trump has not publicly named anyone to his shortlist.
Ben Carson was misquoted.

Trump Makes Announcement About His VP Choice That Contradicts Reports

http://www.westernjournalism.com/trump-makes-announcement-about-his-vp-choice-that-contradicts-reports/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 16, 2016, 09:13:50 PM

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/05/15/clarence-thomas-hillsdale-college-commencement-world-seems-have-gone-mad-political

Anteros:

Listen and watch the speech by Associate Justice Thomas at Hillsdale College Graduation this weekend. When Trump can give a speech as polished, passionate and pro liberty as this, THAT is when he will have EARNED my vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 17, 2016, 08:49:16 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/05/17/donald_trumps_aggressive_ignorance_130575.html

Trump's issues may have been a key factor in Obama's recent approval ratings.
It's nice having someone in the Oval office who isn't mentally ill.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 09:43:28 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 16, 2016, 09:13:50 PM

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/05/15/clarence-thomas-hillsdale-college-commencement-world-seems-have-gone-mad-political

Anteros:

Listen and watch the speech by Associate Justice Thomas at Hillsdale College Graduation this weekend. When Trump can give a speech as polished, passionate and pro liberty as this, THAT is when he will have EARNED my vote.

"Money doesn't grow on trees and neither does Liberty". A very good speech. As Justice Thomas said, he felt out of touch with many young people today, but he gave an impassioned speech for timeless values.

I'm glad you are at least considering voting for Trump. Quite frankly I expect it to be one of the most negative and brutal campaigns ever. Hopefully Trump can take a breather from "counter punching" Clinton on a normal day to delivering a polished and positive speech during the convention.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 09:50:15 AM

Quote from: TomT on May 17, 2016, 08:49:16 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/05/17/donald_trumps_aggressive_ignorance_130575.html

Trump's issues may have been a key factor in Obama's recent approval ratings.
It's nice having someone in the Oval office who isn't mentally ill.

Sure thing. Not caring about Christians being beheaded, raped and disposed of their homes and possession in the ME must be normal.

And ensuring that a guy who "feels like a woman" on any given day can shower in the girls locker room is also not a sign of mental illness.

In reality, Barrack "super snooper bathroom monitor" Obama will go down in history as the most mentally challenged, mentally ill "President" in our history.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 09:59:09 AM

I have it on good authority that this is going to happen at the Republican Convention in Cleveland:

The existing rules require a candidate to win a majority of delegates in at least eight states or territories to be formally entered into nomination; currently, only Trump and Ted Cruz qualify. The Rules Committee will approve a rule which will lower that bar so that any candidate who won a single delegate in the primaries could get in on the action. This, in turn, would open the door for Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson and others to be nominated — all on the theory that “more names in nomination mean fewer votes for Mr. Trump, and the remote possibility that he could be denied the majority he needs to prevent a second ballot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 10:13:29 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 09:50:15 AM

In reality, Barrack "super snooper bathroom monitor" Obama will go down in history as the most mentally challenged, mentally ill "President" in our history.

Obama will go down as one of the worst Presidents in our countries history, but not for the silly reasons you "Trumpists" cite. He is the most imperial President in our country's history, spitting on the Constitution and expanding the use of Executive privilege beyond anything our founding fathers could have imagined. His socialist agenda caused him to be the most divisive President in our country's history. His obstructionist attitude was single handedly responsible for the most unproductive legislative period (107th thru 114th Congress) in our country's history. His Justice Department was the most ineffective in the history of our country. His failed economic policies caused the slowest recession recovery in our country's history.

By any yardstick of measurement, history will regard his term as a failed Presidency. Historians will rank him as the second worst President in our country's history, only ahead of James Buchanan.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on May 17, 2016, 10:28:14 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 09:59:09 AM

I have it on good authority that this is going to happen at the Republican Convention in Cleveland:

The existing rules require a candidate to win a majority of delegates in at least eight states or territories to be formally entered into nomination; currently, only Trump and Ted Cruz qualify. The Rules Committee will approve a rule which will lower that bar so that any candidate who won a single delegate in the primaries could get in on the action. This, in turn, would open the door for Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson and others to be nominated — all on the theory that “more names in nomination mean fewer votes for Mr. Trump, and the remote possibility that he could be denied the majority he needs to prevent a second ballot.

Bending the rules, to make them fit any situation is know as corruption...tut tut..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on May 17, 2016, 10:28:41 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 10:13:29 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 09:50:15 AM
In reality, Barrack "super snooper bathroom monitor" Obama will go down in history as the most mentally challenged, mentally ill "President" in our history.

Obama will go down as one of the worst Presidents in our countries history, but not for the silly reasons you "Trumpists" cite. He is the most imperial President in our country's history, spitting on the Constitution and expanding the use of Executive privilege beyond anything our founding fathers could have imagined. His socialist agenda caused him to be the most divisive President in our country's history. His obstructionist attitude was single handedly responsible for the most unproductive legislative period (107th thru 114th Congress) in our country's history. His Justice Department was the most ineffective in the history of our country. His failed economic policies caused the slowest recession recovery in our country's history.

By any yardstick of measurement, history will regard his term as a failed Presidency. Historians will rank him as the second worst President in our country's history, only ahead of James Buchanan.

+100%

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 10:41:34 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 10:13:29 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 09:50:15 AM
In reality, Barrack "super snooper bathroom monitor" Obama will go down in history as the most mentally challenged, mentally ill "President" in our history.

Obama will go down as one of the worst Presidents in our countries history, but not for the silly reasons you "Trumpists" cite. He is the most imperial President in our country's history, spitting on the Constitution and expanding the use of Executive privilege beyond anything our founding fathers could have imagined. His socialist agenda caused him to be the most divisive President in our country's history. His obstructionist attitude was single handedly responsible for the most unproductive legislative period (107th thru 114th Congress) in our country's history. His Justice Department was the most ineffective in the history of our country. His failed economic policies caused the slowest recession recovery in our country's history.

By any yardstick of measurement, history will regard his term as a failed Presidency. Historians will rank him as the second worst President in our country's history, only ahead of James Buchanan.

While of course I agree with everything you wrote here, I believe he's also a Muslim, a Marxist and a very mentally ill divisive man. Only a mentally challenged, mentally ill man would ignore Christians being slaughtered in the Middle East, and instead direct his Justice department to sue North Carolina and now probably Texas as well for their efforts to make a mans bathroom for a man and a woman's bathroom for a woman.

Having said that I also previously acknowledged that the NC law may have been a bad idea because it made NC a target of the usual PC Nazi bunch of collaborators: the liberal left-wing media, left-wing musicians and the left wing weirdo branch of the Democratic party; causing the state to lose millions in revenue.

Better to keep things local (enforcement and various other actions) without bringing undue attention to the issue.

Clearly a President should concern himself with the economy, trade, national defense, foreign policy, etc. and not what odd people do at a local level.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 10:46:30 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 09:59:09 AM

I have it on good authority that this is going to happen at the Republican Convention in Cleveland:

The existing rules require a candidate to win a majority of delegates in at least eight states or territories to be formally entered into nomination; currently, only Trump and Ted Cruz qualify. The Rules Committee will approve a rule which will lower that bar so that any candidate who won a single delegate in the primaries could get in on the action. This, in turn, would open the door for Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson and others to be nominated — all on the theory that “more names in nomination mean fewer votes for Mr. Trump, and the remote possibility that he could be denied the majority he needs to prevent a second ballot.

I see these last ditch desperate machinations as being very divisive and bad for the party. Providence willing Trump will get to 1237 prior to the convention anyways. Yet the treacherous unpatriotic disloyal nature of some Benedict Arnold's is noted.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 10:56:56 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 10:41:34 AM

While of course I agree with everything you wrote here, I believe he's also a Muslim, a Marxist and a very mentally ill divisive man.

Do you, like your boy Trump believe he WASEN'T born in the USA and therefore was ineligible from holding the office of President?

Quote from: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 10:41:34 AM

Having said that I also previously acknowledged that the NC law may have been a bad idea because it made NC a target of the usual PC Nazi bunch of collaborators: the liberal left-wing media, left-wing musicians and the left wing weirdo branch of the Democratic party; causing the state to lose millions in revenue.

Actually, it is a state and local issue. Nowhere in Title 9 does the law include protections for transgender or transsexual individuals. Obama is WAY out of line on this one with his implied Executive Order by letter to all the school districts in the country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 11:07:32 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 10:56:56 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 10:41:34 AM

While of course I agree with everything you wrote here, I believe he's also a Muslim, a Marxist and a very mentally ill divisive man.

Do you, like your boy Trump believe he WASEN'T born in the USA and therefore was ineligible from holding the office of President?

Quote from: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 10:41:34 AM
Having said that I also previously acknowledged that the NC law may have been a bad idea because it made NC a target of the usual PC Nazi bunch of collaborators: the liberal left-wing media, left-wing musicians and the left wing weirdo branch of the Democratic party; causing the state to lose millions in revenue.

Actually, it is a state and local issue. Nowhere in Title 9 does the law include protections for transgender or transsexual individuals. Obama is WAY out of line on this one with his implied Executive Order by letter to all the school districts in the country.

Obama is grasping at straws for his "legacy". He also made historic mistakes by claiming that he cares about the lives of young blacks while ignoring the violence in Chicago but attempting to blame the police for Ferguson and Baltimore. Having Al Sharpton to the White House and as his unofficial envoy on this issue will go down in history as an epic mistake.

Now the truth is coming out that his administration lied about the Iran deal, just as they lied about the cost of the ACA. The man is mentally challenged and inept. Yes most of his "executive orders" have been dictatorial in nature.

I have no clue as to whether or not Obama was born in the USA (I suspect he was) and at this juncture it doesn't matter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 11:20:14 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 11:07:32 AM

I have no clue as to whether or not Obama was born in the USA (I suspect he was) and at this juncture it doesn't matter.

It matters a great deal when evaluating the judgement of the man you "Trumpsters" have decided is qualified to be President of the United States.

You suspect he was (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 17, 2016, 02:21:47 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 10:46:30 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 09:59:09 AM
I have it on good authority that this is going to happen at the Republican Convention in Cleveland:

The existing rules require a candidate to win a majority of delegates in at least eight states or territories to be formally entered into nomination; currently, only Trump and Ted Cruz qualify. The Rules Committee will approve a rule which will lower that bar so that any candidate who won a single delegate in the primaries could get in on the action. This, in turn, would open the door for Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson and others to be nominated — all on the theory that “more names in nomination mean fewer votes for Mr. Trump, and the remote possibility that he could be denied the majority he needs to prevent a second ballot.

I see these last ditch desperate machinations as being very divisive and bad for the party. Providence willing Trump will get to 1237 prior to the convention anyways. Yet the treacherous unpatriotic disloyal nature of some Benedict Arnold's is noted.

Barring the unforeseen, Trump gets to 1237 before Cleveland. To deny him the nomination is to maintain the status quo for Washington insider GOPers who have "Gone native"--got to DC, landed $750K/year jobs and dined out on lobster and filet mignon and chateau la tour every night, they're not trying to 'save' anything but themselves.

At this point, I'm for burning the whole thing down.

I won't vote for the Pantsuit, but at least with the Clintons, if she wins, it will be professional crooks in charge.

Asshats like Curly Haugland (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/22/go-ahead-donald-get-1237-it-wont-matter-rnc-delegate.html) are not just traitors to the party, they're traitors to the nation. They favor keeping the "Deep State" in charge and :censored: ing over the citizenry.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 02:53:57 PM

More true today than ever . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 17, 2016, 04:00:21 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 02:53:57 PM

More true today than ever . . . . . . . . . .

As opposed to the professional governing class that we have now? The Framers would not be able to comment on the state of the Federal Government because they'd be too busy projectile vomiting constantly.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 17, 2016, 04:12:01 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 10:46:30 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 09:59:09 AM
I have it on good authority that this is going to happen at the Republican Convention in Cleveland:

The existing rules require a candidate to win a majority of delegates in at least eight states or territories to be formally entered into nomination; currently, only Trump and Ted Cruz qualify. The Rules Committee will approve a rule which will lower that bar so that any candidate who won a single delegate in the primaries could get in on the action. This, in turn, would open the door for Marco Rubio, John Kasich, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson and others to be nominated — all on the theory that “more names in nomination mean fewer votes for Mr. Trump, and the remote possibility that he could be denied the majority he needs to prevent a second ballot.

I see these last ditch desperate machinations as being very divisive and bad for the party. Providence willing Trump will get to 1237 prior to the convention anyways. Yet the treacherous unpatriotic disloyal nature of some Benedict Arnold's is noted.

The first example would not likely affect Trump as he will have his magic number and no second vote will be in the cards. If a second vote was to be held he probably would not win regardless.

Now the second example of a rules change not shown here is to change the magic number to a super majority and that could throw a monkey wrench into everything. I just cannot see this happening in a peaceful way. It could happen but I think the backlash would be terrible and they know it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 17, 2016, 04:36:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 11:20:14 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 11:07:32 AM
I have no clue as to whether or not Obama was born in the USA (I suspect he was) and at this juncture it doesn't matter.

It matters a great deal when evaluating the judgement of the man you "Trumpsters" have decided is qualified to be President of the United States.

You suspect he was (:)

IMHO it is an open secret that he is not a native-born American citizen.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 17, 2016, 05:05:26 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 17, 2016, 04:36:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 11:20:14 AM
Quote from: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 11:07:32 AM
I have no clue as to whether or not Obama was born in the USA (I suspect he was) and at this juncture it doesn't matter.

It matters a great deal when evaluating the judgement of the man you "Trumpsters" have decided is qualified to be President of the United States.

You suspect he was (:)

IMHO it is an open secret that he is not a native-born American citizen.

Has anyone filed suit to determine his status? If not, why? I suspect he is legal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 17, 2016, 05:51:58 PM

Wonder if this is where Shakespeare got his inside info?
Ted Cruz again stated his 2016 run for president is over, he also filed paperwork to run for Senate in 2018,.
It's doubtful the republican party will change the rules at this point.

Unconventional #14: Can Republicans really change the rules in Cleveland to block Trump’s nomination

https://www.yahoo.com/news/unconventional-14-can-republicans-really-change-1430274480603190.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 17, 2016, 07:45:22 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 17, 2016, 04:36:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 11:20:14 AM
Quote from: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 11:07:32 AM
I have no clue as to whether or not Obama was born in the USA (I suspect he was) and at this juncture it doesn't matter.

It matters a great deal when evaluating the judgement of the man you "Trumpsters" have decided is qualified to be President of the United States.

You suspect he was (:)

IMHO it is an open secret that he is not a native-born American citizen.

I suspect he was born in Hawaii but the original birth certificate lists "Father unknown." His identity from birth to now is based on fraud. First by immigration fraud via a sham marriage and then later his college and school records getting sealed. The Kenya thing is a red herring to divert the public from the real issue of who he is. A totally blackmailable person with powerful friends.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 17, 2016, 07:53:25 PM

Majority of Republican Voters Trust Trump Over Ryan to Lead Party

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/majority-republican-voters-trust-trump-over-ryan-lead-party-n574851

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 07:56:50 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 17, 2016, 04:36:02 PM

IMHO it is an open secret that he is not a native-born American citizen.

Slumba, if you REALLY believe that, then you're not as intelligent as I thought you were.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 17, 2016, 10:22:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 07:56:50 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 17, 2016, 04:36:02 PM
IMHO it is an open secret that he is not a native-born American citizen.

Slumba, if you REALLY believe that, then you're not as intelligent as I thought you were.

There are many things about his background that are suspicious. One of the biggest red flags we are not hearing the truth about his background is that his school records are sealed. Shouldn't he be proud of them if he is as smart as they say he is? BUT if you question his background then people immediately accuse you of being the shaming word, a "birther' :fighting0025: :prophead: But couldn't there be other issues that are not considered? I think Slumba fell into the trap of a false choice.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 10:31:07 PM

His father wasn't from Kenya. His father was the commie.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 17, 2016, 10:35:11 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 17, 2016, 07:56:50 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 17, 2016, 04:36:02 PM
IMHO it is an open secret that he is not a native-born American citizen.

Slumba, if you REALLY believe that, then you're not as intelligent as I thought you were.

I have examined the PDF on the White House website that purports to be an unmodified scan of his birth certificate.

As someone familiar with computer graphics, scanning artifacts, etc. (it used to be part of my job), it is an obvious fraud in that it has been modified and "cleaned up" either because it is a poorly made scan (why would that be? doesn't make sense) or has something on it that he doesn't want to let out.

No matter what the reason, the fact is - it is not an unmodified scan. That plus many other bits and bobs of info lead me to believe that many in WashDC know he is not a native-born citizen. Like for instance his travel to Pakistan, the info on his school records from Indonesia, etc.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 18, 2016, 01:57:11 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 17, 2016, 10:31:07 PM

His father wasn't from Kenya. His father was the commie.

Yes! Frank Marshall Davis his mentor as mentioned in Obama's book was his true biological father. The Obama thing was just case of immigration fraud by sham marriage. Obama Senior applied for US residency right after the "marriage" and she got a "father" that wasn't married to a Chicago woman, had 4 kids and was a member of C.P.U.S.A, member 47544. She also applied immediately after the "marriage" for entrance into the Washington State University more that 3000 miles away. Nice marriage? I could go into how Anne Dunham met Barrack Sr in a Russian language class in 1960-61, her residency with her parents in Beirut Lebanon during the cold war, her father's travels all over with family in tow. But anyways, all but a few are willing to dig into the past of Obama, family, friends and mentor and see where the truth is.

The birth certificate is poor forgery. But the reason is exists is not about this 'birther" issue but something more scandalous.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 18, 2016, 06:26:58 AM

"Eligibility activists" :ROFL:

http://www.teapartynation.com/forum/topics/the-birther-manifesto

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 18, 2016, 07:13:39 AM

Quote from: TomT on May 18, 2016, 06:26:58 AM

"Eligibility activists" :ROFL:

http://www.teapartynation.com/forum/topics/the-birther-manifesto

Sounds reasonable to me. Too bad didn't read it Tom.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 18, 2016, 01:09:52 PM

Well, Trump continues to "check off" the demands made by Congressman Ryan to earn his endorsement. Today he released 11 names that he would consider for appointment to the US Supreme Court if he wins the election in November.

B.B. What do you think of this list? Any names you would specifically endorse? Any you would have excluded?

Steven Colloton

Allison Eid

Raymond Gruender

Thomas Hardiman

Raymond Kethledge

Joan Larsen

Thomas Lee

William Pryor

David Stras

Diane Skyes

Don Willett

I was surprised the name of Janice Rogers Brown wasn't on the list. A black woman with impeccable conservative credentials. I don't know anything about Lee and I'm really impressed with Hardiman, not for his supporting opinions but for his dissensions.

Trump has completed the first step in earning my vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 18, 2016, 01:18:57 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 18, 2016, 01:57:11 AM

The birth certificate is poor forgery. But the reason is exists is not about this 'birther" issue but something more scandalous.

This case has been settled long ago.

Three different Hawaiian newspapers announced the birth and named the date and hospital. This has been proven by the microfish records from over 100 different sources.

So, it this was a fraud, then the people perpetrating it would have had to know that Obama was going to be President back in 1961 and "planted" those birth announcements.

Seems far fetched? Ya think . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 18, 2016, 02:49:58 PM

If Russia decides to release Hillary's emails, it most likely would be the end of her run for president.

Russia Toys With Releasing Hillary Emails

http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-toys-releasing-hillary-emails/ri14399

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 18, 2016, 02:51:53 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 18, 2016, 01:09:52 PM

B.B. What do you think of this list? Any names you would specifically endorse? Any you would have excluded?

There is actually nobody awful on that list. I'd have to know more about their individual history w/r/t opinions but nobody leaps off of the page as awful. I'd find the most similar guys to Alito, Thomas and Scalia and pick them.

Actually, Obama's current pick isn't bad--if he was replacing RBG or Breyer or whomever, he'd sail through the confirmation process. He's not a conservative by any stretch but he's the best you're going to get from a Dem president. If H-Rod wins the presidency, I would confirm him the day after election day.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 18, 2016, 05:13:30 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 18, 2016, 01:18:57 PM

This case has been settled long ago.

Three different Hawaiian newspapers announced the birth and named the date and hospital. This has been proven by the microfish records from over 100 different sources.

So, it this was a fraud, then the people perpetrating it would have had to know that Obama was going to be President back in 1961 and "planted" those birth announcements.

Seems far fetched? Ya think . . . . . . . . . . . . .

It wouldn't surprise me if conspiracy theorists believe that Obama's henchmen went back in time, using alien technology from Area 51, and posted those birth notices.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 18, 2016, 07:32:53 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 18, 2016, 02:49:58 PM

If Russia decides to release Hillary's emails, it most likely would be the end of her run for president.

Russia Toys With Releasing Hillary Emails

http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-toys-releasing-hillary-emails/ri14399

I hope the Kremlin does release these emails and embarrass both her and the Obama administration for supporting her.

However I am beginning to think that Bernie Sanders might be more difficult to beat than Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 18, 2016, 08:32:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 18, 2016, 01:09:52 PM

Trump has completed the first step in earning my vote.

I spoke too soon.

After listening to Trump announce the names, he basically said that his choice for Supreme Court would not necessarily come from this list, but would be people similar to the people on this list.

In other words, he has left himself an unacceptable exit from his "promise"

Sorry, that doesn't earn my vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 18, 2016, 09:47:44 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 18, 2016, 07:32:53 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 18, 2016, 02:49:58 PM
If Russia decides to release Hillary's emails, it most likely would be the end of her run for president.

Russia Toys With Releasing Hillary Emails

http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-toys-releasing-hillary-emails/ri14399

I hope the Kremlin does release these emails and embarrass both her and the Obama administration for supporting her.

However I am beginning to think that Bernie Sanders might be more difficult to beat than Hillary.

If you look at how undesirable Hillary is, and Bernie couldn't win against Hillary, he wouldn't fair any better against Trump.
Trump will win the presidency most likely by the largest margin in history.
The democrats are already fearing they're not going to be able to win come November.
Every week we will see new polls showing Trump increasing his lead.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 18, 2016, 10:56:49 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 18, 2016, 09:47:44 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 18, 2016, 07:32:53 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on May 18, 2016, 02:49:58 PM
If Russia decides to release Hillary's emails, it most likely would be the end of her run for president.

Russia Toys With Releasing Hillary Emails

http://russia-insider.com/en/russia-toys-releasing-hillary-emails/ri14399

I hope the Kremlin does release these emails and embarrass both her and the Obama administration for supporting her.

However I am beginning to think that Bernie Sanders might be more difficult to beat than Hillary.

If you look at how undesirable Hillary is, and Bernie couldn't win against Hillary, he wouldn't fair any better against Trump.
Trump will win the presidency most likely by the largest margin in history.
The democrats are already fearing they're not going to be able to win come November.
Every week we will see new polls showing Trump increasing his lead.

Don't tell Tom. He's still convinced that Hillary will win by a large margin. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 18, 2016, 10:59:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 18, 2016, 08:32:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 18, 2016, 01:09:52 PM
Trump has completed the first step in earning my vote.

I spoke too soon.

After listening to Trump announce the names, he basically said that his choice for Supreme Court would not necessarily come from this list, but would be people similar to the people on this list.

In other words, he has left himself an unacceptable exit from his "promise"

Sorry, that doesn't earn my vote.

I think you are taking this entirely the wrong way. He's committed to a conservative choice in the mold of Scalia. He only said "his choice for Supreme Court would not necessarily come from the list" in case somebody even better, as in more conservative comes along.

The list is still a very good indication of the type of person he will choose. I hope you will consider that in your decision.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 18, 2016, 11:21:33 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 18, 2016, 05:13:30 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 18, 2016, 01:18:57 PM
This case has been settled long ago.

Three different Hawaiian newspapers announced the birth and named the date and hospital. This has been proven by the microfish records from over 100 different sources.

So, it this was a fraud, then the people perpetrating it would have had to know that Obama was going to be President back in 1961 and "planted" those birth announcements.

Seems far fetched? Ya think . . . . . . . . . . . . .

It wouldn't surprise me if conspiracy theorists believe that Obama's henchmen went back in time, using alien technology from Area 51, and posted those birth notices.

A dishonest argument tactic to exaggerate or make look foolish the position of the other side.

What if he was born in Hawaii but his original birth certificate listed the father as "unknown"? The theory I made that it was a case of immigration fraud by sham marriage. She and he did go their separate ways right after the "marriage." The real father being 'someone else'?

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/markdavis_zpszrqx28kl.jpg)

Two are of Obama and the other the 'son of someone' else, at the same age.

BTW F.M.D. was married to a white woman he met in Chicago and they had had 4 children together. She also was a member of Communist Party U. S. A. (CPUSA). Obama mentions in the youtube F.M.D. was friends with his grandfather and that he was his mentor. F.M.D was a member of CPUSA #47444 and was on J. Edgar Hoover's FBI watch list.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 19, 2016, 09:46:31 AM

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/white_house_watch

Rasmussen Report: Trump + 5

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 19, 2016, 10:43:59 AM

Mitt Romney ends recruiting efforts for an independent candidate

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/18/politics/mitt-romney-never-trump-independent-2016-campaign/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 19, 2016, 12:43:00 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 19, 2016, 09:46:31 AM

Rasmussen Report: Trump + 5

They trend right, like Zogby trends left. But I can't stand the Pantsuit, so good news anyway.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 19, 2016, 04:18:08 PM

Funny how in just a couple weeks Donald Trump has erased the lead Clinton once held, and now looking more like Trump will be leading in the polls all the way to the white house.

Trump gets his bump while Hillary loses ground

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/19/trump-gets-his-bump-while-hillary-loses-ground.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 19, 2016, 05:54:58 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 19, 2016, 04:18:08 PM

Funny how in just a couple weeks Donald Trump has erased the lead Clinton once held, and now looking more like Trump will be leading in the polls all the way to the white house.

Trump gets his bump while Hillary loses ground

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/19/trump-gets-his-bump-while-hillary-loses-ground.html

And no big surprise Tom Troll is suddenly quiet. :laugh:

Hillary will continue to lose ground, especially with Bernie on her ass until the Democratic convention.

I didn't originally think Trump would gain ground on her until after the Republican convention, but now
see blue skies all the way until Victory Day on November 8th.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 19, 2016, 06:32:51 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 18, 2016, 10:56:49 PM

Don't tell Tom. He's still convinced that Hillary will win by a large margin. :ROFL:

You are confusing me with the idiot who wrote that Trump would win by a landslide.

Before you guys get too excited, look at how well Rasmussen Tracking and Fox news called the last election. Of course, you don't remember. (Fruit flies never do.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 19, 2016, 07:01:28 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 19, 2016, 06:32:51 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 18, 2016, 10:56:49 PM
Don't tell Tom. He's still convinced that Hillary will win by a large margin. :ROFL:

You are confusing me with the idiot who wrote that Trump would win by a landslide.

Before you guys get too excited, look at how well Rasmussen Tracking and Fox news called the last election. Of course, you don't remember. (Fruit flies never do.)

The citizens of the United states are tied of being sheeple.
Trump represents everything that we no longer want to keep silent about.
Political correctness is a bunch of BS. You would have thought that Trump's off the wall comments would have been his undoing, but instead he has instigated the masses. Common sense no longer plays a part of this election. One could say this country can not continue to allow Washington to dictate how we perceive our existence. This is after all America, the home of the free, and we will finally have a voice in government for the people by the people, just as our founding fathers envisioned.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 19, 2016, 07:26:58 PM

You summed that up nicely Tom Cat. We are tired of the BS.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 19, 2016, 07:27:51 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 19, 2016, 04:18:08 PM

Trump gets his bump while Hillary loses ground

Hillary will gain back the losses once the nomination is secured. The Dems will consolidate and get behind her once they realize that's its really Trump or her.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 19, 2016, 07:50:14 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 19, 2016, 06:32:51 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 18, 2016, 10:56:49 PM
Don't tell Tom. He's still convinced that Hillary will win by a large margin. :ROFL:

You are confusing me with the idiot who wrote that Trump would win by a landslide.

No, I'm confusing you with the IDIOT who says that Trump cannot win the race.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 19, 2016, 07:52:38 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 19, 2016, 07:26:58 PM

You summed that up nicely Tom Cat. We are tired of the BS.

There's a fruit fly named Tom Troll who loves BS. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 19, 2016, 07:54:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 19, 2016, 07:27:51 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 19, 2016, 04:18:08 PM
Trump gets his bump while Hillary loses ground

Hillary will gain back the losses once the nomination is secured. The Dems will consolidate and get behind her once they realize that's its really Trump or her.

Sorry to say Shakespeare but you've been wrong about Trump this entire election. And it's going to cost you about $840.00 that we know of. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 19, 2016, 08:11:26 PM

Trump picks up the endorsement of top female lawmaker.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/top-female-house-republican-endorses-trump/ar-BBtf3Jt?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 20, 2016, 08:29:59 AM

The list of Trump supporters continues to grow

Stacey Dash, LendingTree founder back Donald Trump super PAC

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/05/19/stacey-dash-lendingtree-founder-back-donald-trump-super-pac/84617832/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 20, 2016, 10:58:41 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 19, 2016, 07:54:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 19, 2016, 07:27:51 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on May 19, 2016, 04:18:08 PM
Trump gets his bump while Hillary loses ground

Hillary will gain back the losses once the nomination is secured. The Dems will consolidate and get behind her once they realize that's its really Trump or her.

Sorry to say Shakespeare but you've been wrong about Trump this entire election. And it's going to cost you about $840.00 that we know of. :chuckle:

Can I have mine in Euros, quids, Yuan or Roubles please? I try and avoid the old dollar jobbies you know. :rouble-smile:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 12:51:14 PM

Why George Clooney is a prick and why Hillary is a total hypocrite. Manny you will like this one because he uses the example you use about liberals who want Muslim immigrants but won't open their own houses & MANSIONS up to house them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 01:08:09 PM

Very cool soundtrack to this video showing Trump putting protestors in their place.

This one is very entertaining: Joe goes to a Trump rally. 15 seconds in to it are some Femen looking female protestors. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 20, 2016, 01:29:36 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 20, 2016, 10:58:41 AM

Can I have mine in Euros, quids, Yuan or Roubles please? I try and avoid the old dollar jobbies you know. :rouble-smile:

Don't count your chickens before they're hatched.

Fox poll released this morning showed Trump trailing Hillary 62% to 23% with Hispanic voters. He trails 68% to 17% with Hispanic women voters and 67% to 21% with Mexican-Americans voters.

This virtually dooms him in important swing states like Florida, Arizona and Colorado where he will need upwards of 40% of the Latino vote to prevail.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AKA Luke on May 20, 2016, 01:32:31 PM

How long until we know which redneck leader the rednecks have chosen?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 01:38:22 PM

Quote from: AKA Luke on May 20, 2016, 01:32:31 PM

How long until we know which Presidential candidate the American people have chosen?

November 8th.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AKA Luke on May 20, 2016, 01:41:51 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 01:38:22 PM

Quote from: AKA Luke on May 20, 2016, 01:32:31 PM
How long until we know which Presidential candidate the American people have chosen?

November 8th.

6 more months of forum dick measuring :hidechair:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 20, 2016, 01:59:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 20, 2016, 01:29:36 PM

Fox poll released this morning showed Trump trailing Hillary 62% to 23% with Hispanic voters. He trails 68% to 17% with Hispanic women voters and 67% to 21% with Mexican-Americans voters.

I imagine these people are not ABC1/C2s and are not dashing out to vote either way. On that basis, it really doesn't matter what telephone polls say.

I think that Trump may appeal to the silent majority. He is making the noises many Americans (and Brits for that matter) like.

Here, the Africans are not queuing at the voting booths. The Muslims are only if a Muslim candidate. I reckon the Mexicans and Hispanics mostly fall into similar social classes. Come voting day the Mexicans will be asleep and the Hispanics apathetic. But every red-blooded, pick up truck driving American will be out voting Trump. As will many ABC1s and a bunch of others who might not normally bother voting for another Clinton or Bush.

I'll accept Roubles by mail. :king: :rouble-smile:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 01:59:47 PM

Quote from: AKA Luke on May 20, 2016, 01:41:51 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: AKA Luke on May 20, 2016, 01:32:31 PM
How long until we know which Presidential candidate the American people have chosen?

November 8th.

6 more months of forum dick measuring :hidechair:

Hillary has a dick to measure? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 02:02:39 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 20, 2016, 01:59:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 20, 2016, 01:29:36 PM
Fox poll released this morning showed Trump trailing Hillary 62% to 23% with Hispanic voters. He trails 68% to 17% with Hispanic women voters and 67% to 21% with Mexican-Americans voters.

I imagine these people are not ABC1/C2s and are not dashing out to vote either way. On that basis, it really doesn't matter what telephone polls say.

I think that Trump may appeal to the silent majority. He is making the noises many Americans (and Brits for that matter) like.

Here, the Africans are not queuing at the voting booths. The Muslims are only if a Muslim candidate. I reckon the Mexicans and Hispanics mostly fall into similar social classes. Come voting day the Mexicans will be asleep and the Hispanics apathetic. But every red-blooded, pick up truck driving American will be out voting Trump. As will many ABC1s and a bunch of others who might not normally bother voting for another Clinton or Bush.

I'll accept Roubles by mail. :king: :rouble-smile:

Shakespear didn't tell you that overall Trump is leading Hillary in the same Fox poll and now in some other polls as well.

Hispanics are a major voting bloc and he does need some of their support. However part of what you wrote is true. Trump won a majority of the Hispanic vote in the Nevada primary. The ones who showed up voted for Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 20, 2016, 02:08:54 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 02:02:39 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 20, 2016, 01:59:12 PM
Quote from: shakespear on May 20, 2016, 01:29:36 PM
Fox poll released this morning showed Trump trailing Hillary 62% to 23% with Hispanic voters. He trails 68% to 17% with Hispanic women voters and 67% to 21% with Mexican-Americans voters.

I imagine these people are not ABC1/C2s and are not dashing out to vote either way. On that basis, it really doesn't matter what telephone polls say.

I think that Trump may appeal to the silent majority. He is making the noises many Americans (and Brits for that matter) like.

Here, the Africans are not queuing at the voting booths. The Muslims are only if a Muslim candidate. I reckon the Mexicans and Hispanics mostly fall into similar social classes. Come voting day the Mexicans will be asleep and the Hispanics apathetic. But every red-blooded, pick up truck driving American will be out voting Trump. As will many ABC1s and a bunch of others who might not normally bother voting for another Clinton or Bush.

I'll accept Roubles by mail. :king: :rouble-smile:

Shakespear didn't tell you that overall Trump is leading Hillary in the same Fox poll and now in some other polls as well.

Hispanics are a major voting bloc and he does need some of their support. However part of what you wrote is true. Trump won a majority of the Hispanic vote in the Nevada primary. The ones who showed up voted for Trump.

I think many people who might vote Trump might not be voting for Trump per se, but for change. I expect Trump doesn't really care either way if he is getting the vote. A bloke who says patriotic and controversial things against another stuffed suit from the old clan. No contest.

Trump will calm down and say more sensible stuff when in office. To appeal to the American public - most of whom have the attention span of a gnat - takes a particular marketing angle. Appeal to the common denominator in 10 second soundbites (like US TV commercials). He has done that skilfully.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 20, 2016, 02:31:13 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 02:02:39 PM

Trump won a majority of the Hispanic vote in the Nevada primary. The ones who showed up voted for Trump.

In the Nevada REPUBLICAN primary.

Only about 15% of latinos are registered Republicans

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 20, 2016, 02:32:39 PM

The Hispanic and or Mexican voters might want to vote for Trump possibly more than you might think.

The millions that would be deported can't vote in the first place, so this won't effect Trump. Getting rid of a few million Mexicans will make for many more job opportunities for those here legally.

A Trump presidency will open many opportunities that at the moment are not available.

People on the street may try to be politically correct, but many have a very different opinion that they keep to themselves.
These people will have their say on election day, I can see Trump wins in a landslide, because the silent majority want to be heard.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 20, 2016, 03:29:23 PM

This comes as no surprise.

NRA Endorses Donald Trump for President

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nra-endorse-donald-trump-president/story?id=39253893

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 20, 2016, 03:42:47 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 01:59:47 PM

Quote from: AKA Luke on May 20, 2016, 01:41:51 PM
6 more months of forum dick measuring :hidechair:
Hillary has a dick to measure? :laugh:

Ants don't.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 20, 2016, 03:49:52 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 02:02:39 PM

Shakespear didn't tell you that overall Trump is leading Hillary in the same Fox poll and now in some other polls as well.

Quote from: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 07:41:27 PM

Apparently it seems that in your fantasy world the fact that these polls are meaningless until September, October and November is meaningless to you.

The moral of this story is that people like polls well enough when they support their delusions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 20, 2016, 04:01:37 PM

Mr. Trump's full speech to one of the most powerful patriotic organizations in the United States of America:

https://www.nranews.com/series/speeches/video/donald-trump-2016-nra-ila-leadership-forum/episode/speeches-season-22-episode-3-2016-nra-annual-meetings

Literally moved me to tears and even a Blue Eyed Blonde 5'8" Hard Bodied Ten FSU lass can't do that!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 04:21:07 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 20, 2016, 03:49:52 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 02:02:39 PM
Shakespear didn't tell you that overall Trump is leading Hillary in the same Fox poll and now in some other polls as well.

Quote from: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 07:41:27 PM
Apparently it seems that in your fantasy world the fact that these polls are meaningless until September, October and November is meaningless to you.

The moral of this story is that people like polls well enough when they support their delusions.

You are living proof of that because you've been quoting polls for about 6 months now. My original statement is true -- September, October and November is when they will really count. However I am heartened that they are already improving and I see a trend. When the last 3 months roll in we'll have a very good idea of what will happen November 8th.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 20, 2016, 04:26:14 PM

"... meaningless..."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 04:41:44 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 20, 2016, 04:26:14 PM

"... meaningless..."

Poor tiny tot wants everything on the net to be literal. Talk about delusional! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 20, 2016, 11:58:28 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 20, 2016, 03:29:23 PM

This comes as no surprise.

NRA Endorses Donald Trump for President

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nra-endorse-donald-trump-president/story?id=39253893

Home and dry?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 21, 2016, 12:57:18 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 01:59:47 PM

Quote from: AKA Luke on May 20, 2016, 01:41:51 PM
Quote from: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: AKA Luke on May 20, 2016, 01:32:31 PM
How long until we know which Presidential candidate the American people have chosen?

November 8th.

6 more months of forum dick measuring :hidechair:

Hillary has a dick to measure? :laugh:

Yes Hitlery has something to measure, comes in brown, black and yellow with variable lengths and girths.

If you are lucky it might even say 'please' as it asks you to bend over.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 21, 2016, 02:11:53 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 20, 2016, 11:58:28 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 20, 2016, 03:29:23 PM
This comes as no surprise.

NRA Endorses Donald Trump for President

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nra-endorse-donald-trump-president/story?id=39253893

Home and dry?

The NRA endorsement is extremely important for the Republican nominee and Trump getting it this early indicates that the "never Trump" movement is a lost cause. There's no going back now.

Furthermore the NY Times hit piece on Trump seems to have backfired as one of the main ladies featured came out and stated they deliberately misquoted her and that Donald Trump was a perfect gentleman when they were dating.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 21, 2016, 03:03:38 AM

https://www.rt.com/usa/343838-trump-nra-gun-clinton/

Shakey, care to double that little wager to $40 if you win or 2650 pyb if I win? :whist11:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 21, 2016, 03:47:48 AM

Louis Farrakhan about Trump (he is for him) and how the world works. I don't disagree with a word he says which surprised me. Perhaps Anteros you might give it a look. The only thing I might disagree with Farrakhan is his total faith that Trump will come through on what he says he will do. I am a bit concerned on the establishment Republicans Trump is surrounding himself with now. I think these people would like to turn him into a Bush. And boy are the Bernie supporters getting more and more upset with the rigged Democratic Party system and their disgust with Hillary! She is the total front woman for the people the Bernie supporters hate. I just do not see too many of them supporting Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 21, 2016, 05:50:40 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 20, 2016, 02:08:54 PM

I think many people who might vote Trump might not be voting for Trump per se, but for change. I expect Trump doesn't really care either way if he is getting the vote. A bloke who says patriotic and controversial things against another stuffed suit from the old clan. No contest.

I suspect that Trump will have about a 5% bump from the predicted % in the same way that Jesse Helms did; there are some folks who will vote for him but won't admit it--in a "woman you would shag while drunk" sort of way--and there will be some folks who come down out of the hills on election day and vote for him.

Hillary is NOT a closer, so it will be much more interesting after the conventions.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 10:40:00 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 21, 2016, 03:03:38 AM

Shakey, care to double that little wager to $40 if you win or 2650 pyb if I win? :whist11:

First our bet is in US dollars.

Second, happy to accommodate you on the amount of the wager. $40 it is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 10:48:55 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/swing-state-suburbs-white-women-skeptical-trump-114419486--election.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 21, 2016, 11:29:34 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 21, 2016, 03:47:48 AM

Louis Farrakhan about Trump (he is for him) and how the world works. I don't disagree with a word he says which surprised me. Perhaps Anteros you might give it a look. The only thing I might disagree with Farrakhan is his total faith that Trump will come through on what he says he will do. I am a bit concerned on the establishment Republicans Trump is surrounding himself with now. I think these people would like to turn him into a Bush. And boy are the Bernie supporters getting more and more upset with the rigged Democratic Party system and their disgust with Hillary! She is the total front woman for the people the Bernie supporters hate. I just do not see too many of them supporting Hillary.

Interesting video Maxx. It seemed to mostly focus on the Federal Reserve, Libya and Syria.

I doubt if Trump would try to get rid of the Fed however I'm hopeful he is not interested in further ME wars.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 11:39:43 AM

Did you know that Donald Trump has over $13,000 outstanding tax warrants?

In a tax warrant, the taxes are owed and the person who owes them has done everything to avoid paying the bill.

No wonder Trump doesn't want to make his tax returns public.

There is a tax warrant on the airplane he's been using to fly around on his campaign stops.

Should a tax cheat be elected to the White House? Hell no.

To earn my vote Trump will have to discharge all $13,000 tax warrants.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 21, 2016, 12:46:34 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 10:40:00 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 21, 2016, 03:03:38 AM
Shakey, care to double that little wager to $40 if you win or 2650 pyb if I win? :whist11:

First our bet is in US dollars.

Second, happy to accommodate you on the amount of the wager. $40 it is.

Scared of dumping the dollar, eh? :chuckle:

OK, I'll take your $40 by Paypal as a "gift" fees paid at your end. :rouble-smile:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 12:58:14 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 21, 2016, 12:46:34 PM

Scared of dumping the dollar, eh? :chuckle:

No, I don't want to peg my bet with an unstable currency like the Rouble.

Plus, I take mild perverse pleasure in making you use dollars :evilgrin0002:

OK, I'll take your $40 by Paypal as a "gift" fees paid at your end. :rouble-smile:
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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 21, 2016, 01:20:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 11:39:43 AM

Did you know that Donald Trump has over 13,000 outstanding tax warrants?

In a tax warrant the taxes are owed and the person who owes them has done everything to avoid paying the bill.

No wonder Trump doesn't want to make his tax returns public.

There is a tax warrant on the airplane he's been using to fly around on his campaign stops.

Should a tax cheat be elected to the White House? Hell no.

To earn my vote Trump will have to discharge all $13,000 tax warrants.

It amazes me when people equate paying taxes with patriotism. Man have they been brainwashed!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 01:30:31 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 21, 2016, 01:20:03 PM

It amazes me when people equate paying taxes with patriotism. Man have they been brainwashed!

No, I equate paying taxes with obeying the law. People who don't are criminals.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on May 21, 2016, 01:38:36 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 01:30:31 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 21, 2016, 01:20:03 PM
It amazes me when people equate paying taxes with patriotism. Man have they been brainwashed!

No, I equate paying taxes with obeying the law. People who don't are criminals.

Are you saying that people who obey the laws, and use them to their advantage are criminals?

Shakes, now you really are being very silly.

As long as no laws are broken, no one can be called a criminal.

You are coming across like a little child who's spat out their dummy because things haven't gone the way you wanted them to go..

Just saying.. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 02:02:54 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on May 21, 2016, 01:38:36 PM

Are you saying that people who obey the laws, and use them to their advantage are criminals?

As so often the case, you Brits don't know what you're talking about when it comes to US law.

A "tax warrant" is when you have exhausted all your appeals and negotiations with the taxing authority and you refuse to pay the tax as assigned. A tax warrant is a document that the department uses to establish the debt of a taxpayer. When a tax warrant is filed with the Superior Court in the county where the taxpayer owns real or personal property, a lien is created.

So when a "tax warrant" is issued, it inherently means a person HAS NOT followed the laws.

Trump has $13,000 of them outstanding right now - including the airplane he has used in his Presidential campaign.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/05/19/trumps-tax-troubles/84543538/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 21, 2016, 02:03:44 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 20, 2016, 03:49:52 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 20, 2016, 02:02:39 PM
Shakespear didn't tell you that overall Trump is leading Hillary in the same Fox poll and now in some other polls as well.

Quote from: Anteros on April 27, 2016, 07:41:27 PM
Apparently it seems that in your fantasy world the fact that these polls are meaningless until September, October and November is meaningless to you.

The moral of this story is that people like polls well enough when they support their delusions.

I would say some self-reflection is in order.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 21, 2016, 02:23:51 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 02:02:54 PM

So when a "tax warrant" is issued, it inherently means a person HAS NOT followed the laws.

Trump has $13,000 of them outstanding right now - including the airplane he has used in his Presidential campaign.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/05/19/trumps-tax-troubles/84543538/

Correct me wrong. If Trump paid the amount of $13,000 that would clear his outstanding tax warrents, he would have none?

And you think this is criminal?

When the audit is over ( I am sure many things are being discussed), we will see how many there are. $13,000 is not very much money.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 02:46:27 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 21, 2016, 02:23:51 PM

Correct me wrong. If Trump paid the amount of $13,000 that would clear his outstanding tax warrants, he would have none?

And you think this is criminal?

When the audit is over ( I am sure many things are being discussed), we will see how many there are. $13,000 is not very much money.

If a warrant is issued, it means the tax is owed. If you owe taxes and don't pay them, is that against federal, state or local laws?

The reason Trump doesn't want to release his tax returns is pretty obvious. He pays accountants and lawyers millions of dollars to try to prove that his property holdings are worth as little as possible for tax purposes then he exaggerates the value of his holdings when on the campaign trail.

The reputation of Trump as some brilliant businessman is exaggerated as well. Trump Hotel and Casino investors lost $2.1 billion while Trump helped himself to $82 million of their money.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 21, 2016, 02:52:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 02:46:27 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 21, 2016, 02:23:51 PM
Correct me wrong. If Trump paid the amount of $13,000 that would clear his outstanding tax warrants, he would have none?

And you think this is criminal?

When the audit is over ( I am sure many things are being discussed), we will see how many there are. $13,000 is not very much money.

If a warrant is issued, it means the tax is owed. If you owe taxes and don't pay them, is that against federal, state or local laws?

The reason Trump doesn't want to release his tax returns is pretty obvious. He pays accountants and lawyers millions of dollars to try to prove that his property holdings are worth as little as possible for tax purposes then he exaggerates the value of his holdings when on the campaign trail.

The reputation of Trump as some brilliant businessman is exaggerated as well. Trump Hotel and Casino investors lost $2.1 billion while Trump helped himself to $82 million of their money.

You didn't answer my questions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 21, 2016, 03:03:04 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 12:58:14 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 21, 2016, 12:46:34 PM
Scared of dumping the dollar, eh? :chuckle:

No, I don't want to peg my bet with an unstable currency like the Rouble.

Plus, I take mild perverse pleasure in making you use dollars :evilgrin0002:

OK, I'll take your $40 by Paypal as a "gift" fees paid at your end. :rouble-smile:

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This means you will cover the sender fees, use the "gift" facility, yes?

I understand you are troubled, as an American, by using a unit of currency other than the dollar.

I will more likely nominate a suitable US based charity for my winnings. One who will happily accept your dollars and put them to better use than I might. That way you can likely claim tax relief, and call it a "donation", unless you feel that might make you a criminal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 21, 2016, 03:04:59 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 21, 2016, 02:23:51 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 02:02:54 PM

So when a "tax warrant" is issued, it inherently means a person HAS NOT followed the laws.

Trump has $13,000 of them outstanding right now - including the airplane he has used in his Presidential campaign.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/05/19/trumps-tax-troubles/84543538/

Correct me wrong. If Trump paid the amount of $13,000 that would clear his outstanding tax warrents, he would have none?

And you think this is criminal?

When the audit is over ( I am sure many things are being discussed), we will see how many there are. $13,000 is not very much money.

Shakey is grasping at straws.

1. If you are a business you will at some point have a tax dispute. If you own mega businesses you have have many disputes.

2. The tax nazi's are not always nice and helpful. A normal time between dispute and tax warrant can be as few as 6-7 weeks. It is not the end of the process. It is the end of the process for the tax man. You can still take this to court.

3. New York tax matters are crazy. They have taxed companies right out of the state. They tax anything and everything that walks across the border. I would toss any dispute with NY in the trash.

4. Trump does not lie down when it comes to disputes. As the article above points out, he fights these disputes and wins many of them. That is a good thing, not an illegal thing. You can always fight the government until you cannot fight any longer and then you must pay.

The tax warrant is not the end of the line. :money:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 21, 2016, 03:09:59 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 21, 2016, 03:04:59 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 21, 2016, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 02:02:54 PM

So when a "tax warrant" is issued, it inherently means a person HAS NOT followed the laws.

Trump has $13,000 of them outstanding right now - including the airplane he has used in his Presidential campaign.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/05/19/trumps-tax-troubles/84543538/

Correct me wrong. If Trump paid the amount of $13,000 that would clear his outstanding tax warrents, he would have none?

And you think this is criminal?

When the audit is over ( I am sure many things are being discussed), we will see how many there are. $13,000 is not very much money.

Shakey is grasping at straws.

1. If you are a business you will at some point have a tax dispute. If you own mega businesses you have have many disputes.

2. The tax nazi's are not always nice and helpful. A normal time between dispute and tax warrant can be as few as 6-7 weeks. It is not the end of the process. It is the end of the process for the tax man. You can still take this to court.

3. New York tax matters are crazy. They have taxed companies right out of the state. They tax anything and everything that walks across the border. I would toss any dispute with NY in the trash.

4. Trump does not lie down when it comes to disputes. As the article above points out, he fights these disputes and wins many of them. That is a good thing, not an illegal thing. You can always fight the government until you cannot fight any longer and then you must pay.

The tax warrant is not the end of the line. :money:

Thank you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 21, 2016, 03:18:24 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 02:02:54 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on May 21, 2016, 01:38:36 PM
Are you saying that people who obey the laws, and use them to their advantage are criminals?

As so often the case, you Brits don't know what you're talking about when it comes to US law.

A "tax warrant" is when you have exhausted all your appeals and negotiations with the taxing authority and you refuse to pay the tax as assigned. A tax warrant is a document that the department uses to establish the debt of a taxpayer. When a tax warrant is filed with the Superior Court in the county where the taxpayer owns real or personal property, a lien is created.

So when a "tax warrant" is issued, it inherently means a person HAS NOT followed the laws.

Trump has $13,000 of them outstanding right now - including the airplane he has used in his Presidential campaign.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/05/19/trumps-tax-troubles/84543538/

We Brits don't grasp tax laws? Yet your country is built on our common law legal system, and in our language, and we are how many generations more mature than you lot as an organised society? A thousand years or so? Come now......

Trump "owing" $13k tax? Silly. He could pay $13k like we might pay for lunch. If he chose not to pay it there is likely a reason. Nobody runs for president legitimately owing $13k tax. This shows more than anything how you anti-Trump folks are grasping at straws. Anything you can cling to that [allegedly] discredits the bloke in fact........

You are even so shy to commit to your $40 wager in Roubles. That is how confident you are......

I reckon now the NRA have supported him he is home and dry. Even this Brit knows how much influence the NRA has in the corridors of power over the pond. We all know how much you lot like your guns.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 03:19:38 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 21, 2016, 02:52:20 PM

You didn't answer my questions.

Well I assumed you'd agree that violating federal, state or local tax laws was criminal.

I forgot I was dealing with a "Trumpster". As far as you're concerned the guy could shoot somebody on the street and not be guilty of anything.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 03:22:07 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 21, 2016, 03:18:24 PM

Nobody runs for president legitimately owing $13k tax.

Nobody runs for President and refuses to release several years of tax returns.

Trump is . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 03:24:27 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 21, 2016, 03:18:24 PM

We Brits don't grasp tax laws? Yet your country is built on our common law legal system, and in our language, and we are how many generations more mature than you lot as an organised society? A thousand years or so? Come now......

Obviously there are differences in tax laws between the USA and Great Britain.

In the USA we never put people in prison for not paying their debts. I don't think Great Britain can say the same.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 21, 2016, 03:24:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 03:19:38 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 21, 2016, 02:52:20 PM
You didn't answer my questions.

Well I assumed you'd agree that violating federal, state or local tax laws was criminal.

I forgot I was dealing with a "Trumpster". As far as you're concerned the guy could shoot somebody on the street and not be guilty of anything.

i like to use the phrase "innocent until proven guilty"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 21, 2016, 03:28:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 03:24:27 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 21, 2016, 03:18:24 PM
We Brits don't grasp tax laws? Yet your country is built on our common law legal system, and in our language, and we are how many generations more mature than you lot as an organised society? A thousand years or so? Come now......

Obviously there are differences in tax laws between the USA and Great Britain.

In the USA we never put people in prison for not paying their debts. I don't think Great Britain can say the same.

Debt is not imprisonable here unless you owe the government. Even then it is highly unlikely.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 03:34:10 PM

Until Trump earns my vote, this is the guy I'm voting for in November:

https://garyjohnson2016.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 21, 2016, 06:31:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 03:34:10 PM

Until Trump earns my vote, this is the guy I'm voting for in November:

https://garyjohnson2016.com/

OMG!! You are taking your hurt feelings and sore but too far. Vote for a winner! Vote for Trump!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 21, 2016, 09:56:22 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 21, 2016, 02:03:44 PM

I would say some self-reflection is in order.

The wänker who wrote that Trump's victory would be a "hog slaughter" should do some self-reflection.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 21, 2016, 10:09:24 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 21, 2016, 03:04:59 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 21, 2016, 02:23:51 PM
Quote from: shakespear on May 21, 2016, 02:02:54 PM

So when a "tax warrant" is issued, it inherently means a person HAS NOT followed the laws.

Trump has $13,000 of them outstanding right now - including the airplane he has used in his Presidential campaign.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/05/19/trumps-tax-troubles/84543538/

Correct me wrong. If Trump paid the amount of $13,000 that would clear his outstanding tax warrents, he would have none?

And you think this is criminal?

When the audit is over ( I am sure many things are being discussed), we will see how many there are. $13,000 is not very much money.

Shakey is grasping at straws.

1. If you are a business you will at some point have a tax dispute. If you own mega businesses you have have many disputes.

2. The tax nazi's are not always nice and helpful. A normal time between dispute and tax warrant can be as few as 6-7 weeks. It is not the end of the process. It is the end of the process for the tax man. You can still take this to court.

3. New York tax matters are crazy. They have taxed companies right out of the state. They tax anything and everything that walks across the border. I would toss any dispute with NY in the trash.

4. Trump does not lie down when it comes to disputes. As the article above points out, he fights these disputes and wins many of them. That is a good thing, not an illegal thing. You can always fight the government until you cannot fight any longer and then you must pay.

The tax warrant is not the end of the line. :money:

Great post. Number 4 is very indicative of what kind of President he will be. I like the fact that he's a fighter. He doesn't apologize for that and it's his best attribute.

We need a fighter in the Whitehouse. Not the typical pushovers which we've had. A real bare-knuckles brawler. To negotiate much better trade deals on our behalf, and to make the European deadbeats pay their fare share to NATO.

Just listening to the usual UK guys makes me want to puke. They need to pay up for America's contributions to their freedoms, and if not pay the price and get ready for Sharia Law in their little kingdoms.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 21, 2016, 10:15:08 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 21, 2016, 09:56:22 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 21, 2016, 02:03:44 PM
I would say some self-reflection is in order.

The wänker who wrote that Trump's victory would be a "hog slaughter" should do some self-reflection.

And then there's the basher who whined and whined about Michelle Fields allegedly being assaulted. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 22, 2016, 01:59:53 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 21, 2016, 10:09:24 PM

Just listening to the usual UK guys makes me want to puke. They need to pay up for America's contributions to their freedoms, and if not pay the price and get ready for Sharia Law in their little kingdoms.

Nutter alert. :whistle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 22, 2016, 06:40:29 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 22, 2016, 01:59:53 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 21, 2016, 10:09:24 PM
Just listening to the usual UK guys makes me want to puke. They need to pay up for America's contributions to their freedoms, and if not pay the price and get ready for Sharia Law in their little kingdoms.

Nutter alert. :whistle:

I was about to give him a thumbs up :thumbsup: on that post until he added that. It is a completely different subject than Trump and it distracts from his argument. And this, "America's contributions to their freedoms" I doubt us American's have freedom so how can we help you keep yours? That is about as dubious as 'Making the World Safe for Democracy.'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 09:33:17 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 22, 2016, 06:40:29 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 22, 2016, 01:59:53 AM
Quote from: Anteros on May 21, 2016, 10:09:24 PM
Just listening to the usual UK guys makes me want to puke. They need to pay up for America's contributions to their freedoms, and if not pay the price and get ready for Sharia Law in their little kingdoms.

Nutter alert. :whistle:

I was about to give him a thumbs up :thumbsup: on that post until he added that. It is a completely different subject than Trump and it distracts from his argument. And this, "America's contributions to their freedoms" I doubt us American's have freedom so how can we help you keep yours? That is about as dubious as 'Making the World Safe for Democracy.'

Not dubious at all. Americas 7th fleet keeps commerce flowing through the Mediterranean Sea. When London calls Washington for help in evacuating due to their growing Sharia and radical Muslim problem, should we take the call? I think not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 10:04:10 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 09:33:17 AM

Not dubious at all. Americas 7th fleet keeps commerce flowing through the Mediterranean Sea. When London calls Washington for help in evacuating due to their growing Sharia and radical Muslim problem, should we take the call? I think not.

I'm certainly not a "Trumpster" but it is a fact that the USA pays 73% of NATO defense expenses and 22% of all United Nations expenses. It's a reasonable discussion that future expenses might be more equally divided between all the participants.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 10:52:32 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 10:04:10 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 09:33:17 AM
Not dubious at all. Americas 7th fleet keeps commerce flowing through the Mediterranean Sea. When London calls Washington for help in evacuating due to their growing Sharia and radical Muslim problem, should we take the call? I think not.

I'm certainly not a "Trumpster" but it is a fact that the USA pays 73% of NATO defense expenses and 22% of all United Nations expenses. It's a reasonable discussion that future expenses might be more equally divided between all the participants.

I meant to write 6th Fleet stationed in Italy. No doubt if the World left this up to Russia then Russia would attempt to invade Italy and claim they did it to protect "ethnic Russian speakers" or some other nonsense.

Yes European countries need to pay their fair share of NATO and they need to do it immediately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Sixth_Fleet

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 22, 2016, 11:05:53 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 10:52:32 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 10:04:10 AM
Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 09:33:17 AM
Not dubious at all. Americas 7th fleet keeps commerce flowing through the Mediterranean Sea. When London calls Washington for help in evacuating due to their growing Sharia and radical Muslim problem, should we take the call? I think not.

I'm certainly not a "Trumpster" but it is a fact that the USA pays 73% of NATO defense expenses and 22% of all United Nations expenses. It's a reasonable discussion that future expenses might be more equally divided between all the participants.

I meant to write 6th Fleet stationed in Italy. No doubt if the World left this up to Russia then Russia would attempt to invade Italy and claim they did it to protect "ethnic Russian speakers" or some other nonsense.

Yes European countries need to pay their fair share of NATO and they need to do it immediately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Sixth_Fleet

The invasion of Italy by Russia would be the same as the last time Russia invaded Italy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 11:10:40 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 10:04:10 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 09:33:17 AM
Not dubious at all. Americas 7th fleet keeps commerce flowing through the Mediterranean Sea. When London calls Washington for help in evacuating due to their growing Sharia and radical Muslim problem, should we take the call? I think not.

I'm certainly not a "Trumpster" but it is a fact that the USA pays 73% of NATO defense expenses and 22% of all United Nations expenses. It's a reasonable discussion that future expenses might be more equally divided between all the participants.

I don't expect you to ever be a "Trumpster" however I hope he will earn your vote. Right now he's fighting a battle with Hillary over the 2nd amendment. Keep in mind a vote for anyone but Trump is a vote for Hillary.

She will continue to destroy high paying Coal mining jobs and she will not build the Keystone pipeline.

She would do her best to abolish the 2nd amendment and she would pack the Supreme Court with liberals. Not to mention she would likely start WWIII and continue the march to Globalism.

You might not care about the march to Globalism but I do as do others with more blue collar roots. A country without a manufacturing base is not a sovereign country.

Speaking of sovereignty she would continue to allow unabated illegal immigration.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 22, 2016, 11:25:39 AM

At the Test Match (Cricket) yesterday at Headingley (Leeds) there was a load of guys (pissed up) wearing Donald Trump wigs singing 'Gonna Build A Wall' to some other pissed up guys dressed like Mexicans with sombreros and ponchos etc...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 11:27:53 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 11:10:40 AM

Keep in mind a vote for anyone but Trump is a vote for Hillary.

I contend a vote for TRUMP is a vote for Hillary.

Our only chance now is for a strong third party candidate to prevent anyone from getting 270 electoral college votes.

Based on the LUNACY we've seen from the voters in the primaries, I trust the Republican controlled House of Representatives to make the best choice for our next President.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 11:33:11 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 11:27:53 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 11:10:40 AM
Keep in mind a vote for anyone but Trump is a vote for Hillary.

I contend a vote for TRUMP is a vote for Hillary.

Our only chance now is for a strong third party candidate to prevent anyone from getting 270 electoral college votes.

Based on the LUNACY we've seen from the voters in the primaries, I trust the Republican controlled House of Representatives to make the best choice for our next President.

Sure thing Don Quixote. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 22, 2016, 11:54:07 AM

A vote for Trump is a vote for America! Remember how all the meaningless polls just a few weeks ago showed little hope for Trump.
Well now take a look, Trump has defied Shakespeare's the sky is falling cries.
Interesting to see, Mark Cuban, said he will be open to a possible VP, spot on either ticket. After all he's an independent, so this could be a game changer

New polls show Clinton and Trump neck-and-neck

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/22/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-polls/index.html?eref=edition

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 12:17:04 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 22, 2016, 11:54:07 AM

Interesting to see, Mark Cuban, said he will be open to a possible VP, spot on either ticket. After all he's an independent, so this could be a game changer

Oh he'd be a "dandy" choice for Trump.

Asked how smart he thinks Trump is, Cuban replied with the The "ya think" statement of the year, "Probably not as smart as he thinks he is."

Cuban said he'd "probably" vote for Hillary Clinton in a likely match-up against Trump and that markets would probably drop 20% with a Trump Presidency.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/16/investing/mark-cuban-stocks-tank-donald-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 22, 2016, 12:17:45 PM

Washington Post-ABC national poll has Trump ahead by 2 points.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/22/donald-trump-takes-2-point-lead-over-hillary-clint/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 22, 2016, 12:24:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 12:17:04 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 22, 2016, 11:54:07 AM
Interesting to see, Mark Cuban, said he will be open to a possible VP, spot on either ticket. After all he's an independent, so this could be a game changer

Oh he'd be a "dandy" choice for Trump.

Asked how smart he thinks Trump is, Cuban replied with the The "ya think" statement of the year, "Probably not as smart as he thinks he is."

Cuban said he'd "probably" vote for Hillary Clinton in a likely match-up against Trump and that markets would probably drop 20% with a Trump Presidency.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/16/investing/mark-cuban-stocks-tank-donald-trump/

In UK Trump is regarded as a but of joke, a comedy politician, much like Farage is as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 22, 2016, 12:28:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 12:17:04 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 22, 2016, 11:54:07 AM
Interesting to see, Mark Cuban, said he will be open to a possible VP, spot on either ticket. After all he's an independent, so this could be a game changer

Oh he'd be a "dandy" choice for Trump.

Asked how smart he thinks Trump is, Cuban replied with the The "ya think" statement of the year, "Probably not as smart as he thinks he is."

Cuban said he'd "probably" vote for Hillary Clinton in a likely match-up against Trump and that markets would probably drop 20% with a Trump Presidency.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/16/investing/mark-cuban-stocks-tank-donald-trump/

Let me guess.....you voted for Sara Palin?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 12:29:04 PM

Quote from: Ste on May 22, 2016, 12:24:18 PM

In UK Trump is regarded as a but of joke, a comedy politician, much like Farage is as well.

Much as he is by 60% of the population here in the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 12:30:42 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 22, 2016, 12:28:15 PM

Let me guess.....you voted for Sara Palin?

Didn't know she was running for President.

I think she is a bimbo and bat-shit crazy. I wouldn't vote for her for dog catcher.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 22, 2016, 12:33:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 12:30:42 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 22, 2016, 12:28:15 PM
Let me guess.....you voted for Sara Palin?

Didn't know she was running for President.

I think she is a bimbo and bat-shit crazy. I wouldn't vote for her for dog catcher.

If not her then you must have voted for Obama?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 22, 2016, 12:56:11 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 11:27:53 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 11:10:40 AM
Keep in mind a vote for anyone but Trump is a vote for Hillary.

I contend a vote for TRUMP is a vote for Hillary.

Our only chance now is for a strong third party candidate to prevent anyone from getting 270 electoral college votes.

Based on the LUNACY we've seen from the voters in the primaries, I trust the Republican controlled House of Representatives to make the best choice for our next President.

You are welcome to vote however you wish though your conclusions don't seem to make sense to me. Yes there will be another large shift after the nominations and people could go anywhere it's true, however, Johnson got a whopping "0" total delegates when he ran in the 2012 election. He lost his state. He lost his governorship.

I think you ask for too much.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 22, 2016, 01:03:33 PM

When Donald Trump is elected president, he will be only as good as the house and Senate allows. After all the president does not make the laws he signs the bills into law. As long as he has a republican house and Senate majority a lot can be accomplished in short order. Trump can give his preference for a wall and ban on Muslims, but he alone can't make it happen.
If the Republicans are organized and have a clear vision of the future, Trump could look like the best thing since sliced bread.
But if the Republicans squander away their opportunity, then Trump will look much like GW, Bush

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on May 22, 2016, 01:44:49 PM

Quote from: Ste on May 22, 2016, 12:24:18 PM

In UK Trump is regarded as a but of joke, a comedy politician, much like Farage is as well.

I think that's an unfair comparison but not unexpected from the outspoken left. Farage might not be your cup of tea but he's keeping the EU & Westminster slightly more honest by pointing out facts.

Trumps a very different animal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on May 22, 2016, 01:54:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 10:04:10 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 09:33:17 AM
Not dubious at all. Americas 7th fleet keeps commerce flowing through the Mediterranean Sea. When London calls Washington for help in evacuating due to their growing Sharia and radical Muslim problem, should we take the call? I think not.

I'm certainly not a "Trumpster" but it is a fact that the USA pays 73% of NATO defense expenses and 22% of all United Nations expenses. It's a reasonable discussion that future expenses might be more equally divided between all the participants.

Not wishing to create any confusion to this thread, but would suggest that Ants stuff ref "The Fleet", and this post, should be in a different thread where it can be discussed further in more detail, as its really not got much to do with the Donald thread...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 02:03:02 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 22, 2016, 12:28:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 12:17:04 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on May 22, 2016, 11:54:07 AM
Interesting to see, Mark Cuban, said he will be open to a possible VP, spot on either ticket. After all he's an independent, so this could be a game changer

Oh he'd be a "dandy" choice for Trump.

Asked how smart he thinks Trump is, Cuban replied with the The "ya think" statement of the year, "Probably not as smart as he thinks he is."

Cuban said he'd "probably" vote for Hillary Clinton in a likely match-up against Trump and that markets would probably drop 20% with a Trump Presidency.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/16/investing/mark-cuban-stocks-tank-donald-trump/

Let me guess.....you voted for Sara Palin?

I suspect you meant to say John McCain. Palin was the VP choice on that ticket. I don't think Shakespear got what you meant to say (?).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 02:05:51 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 12:29:04 PM

Quote from: Ste on May 22, 2016, 12:24:18 PM
In UK Trump is regarded as a but of joke, a comedy politician, much like Farage is as well.

Much as he is by 60% of the population here in the USA.

You are grossly exaggerating. As B/B wrote many will vote for Trump but may not admit publicly to liking him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 22, 2016, 02:20:55 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 02:03:02 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 22, 2016, 12:28:15 PM
Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 12:17:04 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on May 22, 2016, 11:54:07 AM
Interesting to see, Mark Cuban, said he will be open to a possible VP, spot on either ticket. After all he's an independent, so this could be a game changer

Oh he'd be a "dandy" choice for Trump.

Asked how smart he thinks Trump is, Cuban replied with the The "ya think" statement of the year, "Probably not as smart as he thinks he is."

Cuban said he'd "probably" vote for Hillary Clinton in a likely match-up against Trump and that markets would probably drop 20% with a Trump Presidency.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/16/investing/mark-cuban-stocks-tank-donald-trump/

Let me guess.....you voted for Sara Palin?

I suspect you meant to say John McCain. Palin was the VP choice on that ticket. I don't think Shakespear got what you meant to say (?).

I did not make a mistake. Had McCain chosed some one other than the bimbo I would have voted republican. If shakespear voted for McCain in 08 then he votted for the bimbo also. So, if he did not vote for the bimbo then he voted Obama. I made that mistake.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 02:35:05 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 22, 2016, 02:20:55 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 02:03:02 PM
Quote from: yankee on May 22, 2016, 12:28:15 PM
Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 12:17:04 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on May 22, 2016, 11:54:07 AM
Interesting to see, Mark Cuban, said he will be open to a possible VP, spot on either ticket. After all he's an independent, so this could be a game changer

Oh he'd be a "dandy" choice for Trump.

Asked how smart he thinks Trump is, Cuban replied with the The "ya think" statement of the year, "Probably not as smart as he thinks he is."

Cuban said he'd "probably" vote for Hillary Clinton in a likely match-up against Trump and that markets would probably drop 20% with a Trump Presidency.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/16/investing/mark-cuban-stocks-tank-donald-trump/

Let me guess.....you voted for Sara Palin?

I suspect you meant to say John McCain. Palin was the VP choice on that ticket. I don't think Shakespear got what you meant to say (?).

I did not make a mistake. Had McCain chosed some one other than the bimbo I would have voted republican. If shakespear voted for McCain in 08 then he votted for the bimbo also. So, if he did not vote for the bimbo then he voted Obama. I made that mistake.

I voted for the McCain/Palin ticket. Needless to say they lost and so did America. She might be "bat-shit crazy" according to Shakespear and some others however I find her amazingly sane compared to Obama and H. Clinton.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 02:55:12 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 02:35:05 PM

I voted for the McCain/Palin ticket.

I have never voted for a Democrat in my life.

I guess I did vote for Palin in 2008 if you want to put it that way. However I voted for McCain in spite of Palin, not because of her.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 03:03:29 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 22, 2016, 01:03:33 PM

After all the president does not make the laws he signs the bills into law.

Finally some common sense from the Trumpsters.

There's not going to be a wall.

11 million illegal immigrants are not going to be deported.

Even in the unlikely event that Trump gets elected, anyone who thinks this is going to happen is politically naive.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 22, 2016, 05:52:39 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 03:03:29 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 22, 2016, 01:03:33 PM
After all the president does not make the laws he signs the bills into law.

Finally some common sense from the Trumpsters.

There's not going to be a wall.

11 million illegal immigrants are not going to be deported.

Even in the unlikely event that Trump gets elected, anyone who thinks this is going to happen is politically naive.

Trump needs the Congress and Senate behind him to fix many things. They are also there to limit any damage they feel he may do. Of course Obama opened the box on executive orders and that is a door that is not likely to ever be closed again so get used to it and use it if you can.

There are some things he does not require help from to accomplish. The wall is one of those things. He can accomplish the wall through executive order.

Hell, if he were crazy enough to want to try it, he has the power to declare a national emergency and do as Roosevelt did when he incarcerated the Japanese during WW2. Someone would likely reign him in on that though.

He has the power to declare a national emergency and put the National Guard on the border to act as a wall of sorts. The latter could happen. The border problem could be seen as a national emergency.

The problem of getting rid of 11 million or so illegals is not as tough as you wish it to be. If you make life impossible for them they will leave on their own just as they came here. Laws are already out there. The laws only need to be enforced and maybe a few others tweaked.

I say sheriff Arpaio still has a few good years left so put him in charge of some of the border.

Everything still boils down to negotiation. You put everything on the table, you establish the will of the people, get the Congress and Senate to do the will of the people and then you find a way to do it that is the best way.

To say it cannot be done is not the Marine way. It is also not the American way. Put it out there and a way will be found.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 07:18:50 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 22, 2016, 05:52:39 PM

The problem of getting rid of 11 million or so illegals is not as tough as you wish it to be. If you make life impossible for them they will leave on their own just as they came here. Laws are already out there. The laws only need to be enforced and maybe a few others tweaked. tally deported

{sigh} yes it is

According to current law, every immigrant is entitled to a deportation hearing and then an appeal hearing before they can be legally deported. Assuming you TRIPLE the number of immigration judges in the USA and assume they hear one case every 30 minutes, working 12 hour days and allowing three months between hearing and appeal it would take over 30 years to complete the process

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 22, 2016, 07:37:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 07:18:50 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 22, 2016, 05:52:39 PM
The problem of getting rid of 11 million or so illegals is not as tough as you wish it to be. If you make life impossible for them they will leave on their own just as they came here. Laws are already out there. The laws only need to be enforced and maybe a few others tweaked.

{sigh} yes it is

According to current law, every immigrant is entitled to a deportation hearing and then an appeal hearing before they can be legally deported. Assuming you TRIPLE the number of immigration judges in the USA and assume they hear one case every 30 minutes, working 12 hour days and allowing three months between hearing and appeal it would take over 30 years to complete the process

Re-read bold type above.

If they cannot get work or green cards many will leave. Hit the employers and quit the amnesties. Put the bad ones in jail instead of on the street. Send as many home as possible the cheapest way negotiated. I am sure that the current powers that be are working as slow as possible also. Get started now and push for 10 years if you must.

Or would you just give up Marine?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 22, 2016, 09:14:01 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 02:35:05 PM

I voted for the McCain/Palin ticket.

Having your candidates lose by more than 190 electoral votes must have been very disappointing for you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 09:35:44 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 22, 2016, 09:14:01 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 02:35:05 PM
I voted for the McCain/Palin ticket.

Having your candidates lose by more than 190 electoral votes must have been very disappointing for you.

A moot point which is your specialty. America as a whole was bamboozled by Obama. Which is now a good thing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 09:38:19 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 22, 2016, 07:37:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: bagalia on May 22, 2016, 05:52:39 PM
The problem of getting rid of 11 million or so illegals is not as tough as you wish it to be. If you make life impossible for them they will leave on their own just as they came here. Laws are already out there. The laws only need to be enforced and maybe a few others tweaked.

{sigh} yes it is

According to current law, every immigrant is entitled to a deportation hearing and then an appeal hearing before they can be legally deported. Assuming you TRIPLE the number of immigration judges in the USA and assume they hear one case every 30 minutes, working 12 hour days and allowing three months between hearing and appeal it would take over 30 years to complete the process

Re-read bold type above.

If they cannot get work or green cards many will leave. Hit the employers and quit the amnesties. Put the bad ones in jail instead of on the street. Send as many home as possible the cheapest way negotiated. I am sure that the current powers that be are working as slow as possible also. Get started now and push for 10 years if you must.

Or would you just give up Marine?

I'm not so sure Shakey was a normal Marine, he was a lawyer after all. :laugh:

But seriously hitting the employers and cutting off any and all benefits for illegals is the way to go. No jobs and no free hand-outs and many will go home.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 09:42:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 03:03:29 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 22, 2016, 01:03:33 PM
After all the president does not make the laws he signs the bills into law.

Finally some common sense from the Trumpsters.

There's not going to be a wall.

11 million illegal immigrants are not going to be deported.

Even in the unlikely event that Trump gets elected, anyone who thinks this is going to happen is politically naive.

Want to bet about the wall (and only about the wall)? Provided Trump wins the Presidency he will commence building a wall within 1 year of gaining office, and it will be over 50% completed within 3 years of him gaining office. $50.00 straight bet.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 09:50:46 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 09:38:19 PM

I'm not so sure Shakey was a normal Marine, he was a lawyer after all.

Normal as one can get.

I was an artillery officer. Commanded G Battery 3rd Battalion 11th Marines

My last 6 months on active duty I was the Division Staff Judge Advocate Office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 10:09:11 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 09:50:46 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 09:38:19 PM
I'm not so sure Shakey was a normal Marine, he was a lawyer after all.

Normal as one can get.

I was an artillery officer. Commanded G Battery 3rd Battalion 11th Marines

My last 6 months on active duty I was with the Division Staff Judge Advocate Office prosecuting cases for the government..

I actually did recall that you had been an artillery officer and IIRC you stated something about being in or near Israel and observing action there. I was only joking about you having been a lawyer. I respect all military service.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 22, 2016, 10:30:24 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 07:18:50 PM

Quote from: bagalia on May 22, 2016, 05:52:39 PM
The problem of getting rid of 11 million or so illegals is not as tough as you wish it to be. If you make life impossible for them they will leave on their own just as they came here. Laws are already out there. The laws only need to be enforced and maybe a few others tweaked. tally deported

{sigh} yes it is

According to current law, every immigrant is entitled to a deportation hearing and then an appeal hearing before they can be legally deported. Assuming you TRIPLE the number of immigration judges in the USA and assume they hear one case every 30 minutes, working 12 hour days and allowing three months between hearing and appeal it would take over 30 years to complete the process

Nope.

Simply start auditing every SNAP/EBT recipient in East LA. Jail a few of them when found to be fraudulently receiving them because they are illegals.

Then start doing immigration raids, only a few thousand in a state need to be handled in order to create a chilling effect. I suggest poultry processing plants as a good place to look.

START JAILING THE EMPLOYERS. This will lead to decreased support for hiring the illegals in the first place.

They will self-deport by the millions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 10:37:50 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 22, 2016, 10:30:24 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 07:18:50 PM
Quote from: bagalia on May 22, 2016, 05:52:39 PM
The problem of getting rid of 11 million or so illegals is not as tough as you wish it to be. If you make life impossible for them they will leave on their own just as they came here. Laws are already out there. The laws only need to be enforced and maybe a few others tweaked. tally deported

{sigh} yes it is

According to current law, every immigrant is entitled to a deportation hearing and then an appeal hearing before they can be legally deported. Assuming you TRIPLE the number of immigration judges in the USA and assume they hear one case every 30 minutes, working 12 hour days and allowing three months between hearing and appeal it would take over 30 years to complete the process

Nope.

Simply start auditing every SNAP/EBT recipient in East LA. Jail a few of them when found to be fraudulently receiving them because they are illegals.

Then start doing immigration raids, only a few thousand in a state need to be handled in order to create a chilling effect. I suggest poultry processing plants as a good place to look.

START JAILING THE EMPLOYERS. This will lead to decreased support for hiring the illegals in the first place.

They will self-deport by the millions.

Yep. Where there's a will there's a way, and it really isn't that difficult if the right guy was in the Whitehouse. LEADERSHIP!

I don't know why Shakespeare always tries to find a reason not to be able to succeed with this, but I suspect his reasons are somehow economic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 22, 2016, 11:25:16 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 10:37:50 PM

I don't know why Shakespeare always tries to find a reason not to be able to succeed with this, but I suspect his reasons are somehow economic.

I feel this way too. I think he is invested in defense stock or something that benefits from crony capitalism. A yuppy from the 80's. If you look at his avatar and his Katherine Hepburn tag line they indicate something of his nature.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 23, 2016, 05:20:59 AM

That was not a nice thing for me to say ^ Unfortunately Anteros brings out the worst in me.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 23, 2016, 09:34:01 AM

I think that Shakespear's views come not from economic concerns but are the result of "establishment" GOP thinking over the years.

i.e.

"don't do anything to make the Hispanics angry because we want to gain them as 'natural conservatives' " (aside: they aren't) results in grumbling acceptance of the 40 million or whatever, illegals that are currently in this country.

One piece of evidence that supports my view is that if Shakespear was a cynical person he would have done better at foreseeing the impact Trump was having and his likely/eventual win of the nomination. But it wasn't until Kasich and Cruz bowed out that he finally accepted that Trump would be the Republican nominee.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 23, 2016, 09:52:03 AM

Quote from: Slumba on May 23, 2016, 09:34:01 AM

I think that Shakespear's views come not from economic concerns but are the result of "establishment" GOP thinking over the years.

i.e.

"don't do anything to make the Hispanics angry because we want to gain them as 'natural conservatives' " (aside: they aren't) results in grumbling acceptance of the 40 million or whatever, illegals that are currently in this country.

One piece of evidence that supports my view is that if Shakespear was a cynical person he would have done better at foreseeing the impact Trump was having and his likely/eventual win of the nomination. But it wasn't until Kasich and Cruz bowed out that he finally accepted that Trump would be the Republican nominee.

You might be right. He might be a true believer in the rascals. Hard to understand why.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 23, 2016, 10:15:45 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 23, 2016, 09:52:03 AM

You might be right. He might be a true believer in the rascals. Hard to understand why.

Not so hard if you have an open mind.

I reject Trump. I reject him on character grounds, on policy grounds, on grounds of political competence, on grounds of his meager chances of victory and on grounds of philosophical principle. My vote is my own and he does not deserve it. For this to change would depend on Trump changing to earn my vote, and brazen demands made of me in lieu of that honest effort will only push me further into my position. Moreover, premature casting of blame for a Democrat victory on people who have warned about Trump’s insufficiency makes for a very poor argument. It is they who have guaranteed the Democrat victory by nominating a boob as the Republican candidate.

For the next three days I will be in Washington DC, meeting with Congressmen and Senators and their senior advisers. I don't share the same distrust with these people as some of you seem to exhibit. There is just a limit to what they can accomplish when you need 2/3 majority to overcome a Presidential veto.

After 8 years of patiently rebuilding the Republicans finally have a chance to set things right. We have a rock solid majority in the House of Representatives and a majority in the Senate. The Democrats are set to run the weakest candidate since George McGovern. Any number of qualified people could beat her in November and within the first 100 days, virtually all of the damage that Obama has caused over the last 8 years would be erased.

But what do the impatient, ignorant and uneducated masses do? They nominate a crass, carnival-barking tv reality star as the Republican candidate. Probably the ONLY person that Hillary Clinton can beat in a general election.

Over the next 6 months, the democrats will expose Trump's weaknesses like a chef peels an onion; layer by layer. He will lose the general election; probably worse than Romney lost. And when Hillary Clinton takes the Oath of Office next January, "Trumpsters" congratulate yourself for a job well :censored: ed up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 23, 2016, 10:58:48 AM

Who would have thought
Lindsey Graham would give into Trump so quickly?
Even Lindsey Graham is reportedly telling Republicans to support Donald Trump

https://www.yahoo.com/news/lindsey-graham-support-donald-trump-000000481.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 23, 2016, 12:31:00 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 23, 2016, 05:20:59 AM

That was not a nice thing for me to say ^ Unfortunately Anteros brings out the worst in me.

Sure, blame it on me. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 23, 2016, 12:36:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 23, 2016, 10:15:45 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 23, 2016, 09:52:03 AM
You might be right. He might be a true believer in the rascals. Hard to understand why.

Not so hard if you have an open mind.

I reject Trump. I reject him on character grounds, on policy grounds, on grounds of political competence, on grounds of his meager chances of victory and on grounds of philosophical principle. My vote is my own and he does not deserve it. For this to change would depend on Trump changing to earn my vote, and brazen demands made of me in lieu of that honest effort will only push me further into my position. Moreover, premature casting of blame for a Democrat victory on people who have warned about Trump’s insufficiency makes for a very poor argument. It is they who have guaranteed the Democrat victory by nominating a boob as the Republican candidate.

For the next three days I will be in Washington DC, meeting with Congressmen and Senators and their senior advisers. I don't share the same distrust with these people as some of you seem to exhibit. There is just a limit to what they can accomplish when you need 2/3 majority to overcome a Presidential veto.

After 8 years of patiently rebuilding the Republicans finally have a chance to set things right. We have a rock solid majority in the House of Representatives and a majority in the Senate. The Democrats are set to run the weakest candidate since George McGovern. Any number of qualified people could beat her in November and within the first 100 days, virtually all of the damage that Obama has caused over the last 8 years would be erased.

But what do the impatient, ignorant and uneducated masses do? They nominate a crass, carnival-barking tv reality star as the Republican candidate. Probably the ONLY person that Hillary Clinton can beat in a general election.

Over the next 6 months, the democrats will expose Trump's weaknesses like a chef peels an onion; layer by layer. He will lose the general election; probably worse than Romney lost. And when Hillary Clinton takes the Oath of Office next January, "Trumpsters" congratulate yourself for a job well :censored: ed up.

Your Lawyerly mind (and that's a compliment) gets the best of you each and every time. Normally I might agree with everything you wrote but this election year is far from normal. I see the opposite: Trump is the only one bold enough and brash enough to beat Hillary. He immediately challenged her as running with the only qualification was that she is a woman, which is not a real qualification. Only Trump would come out swinging like that and like Babe Ruth he's going to hit a home run in the big game.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 23, 2016, 06:19:28 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 22, 2016, 09:42:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 22, 2016, 03:03:29 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on May 22, 2016, 01:03:33 PM
After all the president does not make the laws he signs the bills into law.

Finally some common sense from the Trumpsters.

There's not going to be a wall.

11 million illegal immigrants are not going to be deported.

Even in the unlikely event that Trump gets elected, anyone who thinks this is going to happen is politically naive.

Want to bet about the wall (and only about the wall)? Provided Trump wins the Presidency he will commence building a wall within 1 year of gaining office, and it will be over 50% completed within 3 years of him gaining office. $50.00 straight bet.

I thought for sure you would jump at this proposal. I realize it's probably not enticing due to the time it would take? No counter proposal?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 24, 2016, 12:15:38 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 23, 2016, 10:15:45 AM

But what do the impatient, ignorant and uneducated masses do?

Yes, the "losers." The 93 million Americans of working age who can't find employment. They know they'e been thrown overboard by the DemoRepublacrate party with its open border policy and HR1 visas. Some of them even know about NAFTA and how that cost them their jobs. And joined to their ranks will be half of Bernie's supporters who will support Trump because of his stand against NAFTA and because they despise Hillary's hypocrisy of presenting herself as a champion of the poor while pulling in 10's of millions of dollars for the Clinton Foundation. Oh and the rigged by and for Hillary Democrat primary system that didn't allow their guy a fair chance. But most of all it will be the people like you on the Left who will sit this one out because Hillary turns them off or fails to excite them.

Women weary of Hillary
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/23/women-female-voters-us-election-hillary-clinton

From The Hill

Quote

Former Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) said on Sunday that Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton is facing a "huge problem."

"I think younger, reform-oriented Democrats either won't vote or they'll vote for [presumptive GOP presidential nominee Donald] Trump," Gingrich said on Fox News's "Sunday Morning Futures."

"And that poses a huge problem for Hillary."
Gingrich slammed Clinton and the Democratic Party, saying voters have had a long time to get to know the front-runner, but she hasn't been able to "build a base that works."

"People don't believe her. That's actually getting worse, not better," he said.

Democrats now have a "real civil war," he continued.

"Everyone said the Republicans were going to have a problem," he said.

But instead, he said it's the Democrats who are having problems.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/280850-gingrich-clinton-has-a-huge-problem

Shakespear, Newt Gingrich thinks you got it backwards. The problem you have in not seeing the reality of what is going on is your blinding hatred of Trump. Your emotional mind won't let your rational mind see reality. Trump can only prove himself to you (and me) once he does the things he says he is going to do. But I guess who don't like those things like build a wall and keep the Muslims out so he may never get your support. People like me and perhaps Anteros will vote for Trump out of the hope he won't betray us later when he becomes President. He'll be under watch.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 24, 2016, 12:57:39 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 23, 2016, 12:31:00 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 23, 2016, 05:20:59 AM
That was not a nice thing for me to say ^ Unfortunately Anteros brings out the worst in me.

Sure, blame it on me. :laugh:

I hope you were joking Maxx. Because the post you just made proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you vigorously disagree with Shakespeare, and it's got nothing to do with me. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 24, 2016, 01:26:04 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 24, 2016, 12:57:39 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 23, 2016, 12:31:00 PM
Quote from: Maxx on May 23, 2016, 05:20:59 AM
That was not a nice thing for me to say ^ Unfortunately Anteros brings out the worst in me.

Sure, blame it on me. :laugh:

I hope you were joking Maxx. Because the post you just made proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you vigorously disagree with Shakespeare, and it's got nothing to do with me. :)

Of course I was joking. I am an oldster who has a dislike for emotons or what ever these new fangled things > :-\ < are called.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 24, 2016, 06:59:26 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-the-welfare-king/2016/05/23/154310f4-2121-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 24, 2016, 09:15:51 AM

Quote from: TomT on May 24, 2016, 06:59:26 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-the-welfare-king/2016/05/23/154310f4-2121-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html

So the real headline there is: Trump employs good accountants and likely legally minimises his tax bill - as any businessman does and should. But we'll never know as he has rightfully told us it is none of our business.

That wouldn't shift so much copy though would it?

The headline they used is ridiculous. I still get surprised how low into the barrel the US media can scrape to make stuff up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 24, 2016, 10:49:22 AM

Liberal SALON article entitled:

MONDAY, MAY 23, 2016 02:00 PM GET
Donald Trump is going to win: This is why Hillary Clinton can’t defeat what Trump represents
People are rising up against neoliberal globalization. Trump represents capital, but also understands this reality
ANIS SHIVANI

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/23/donald_trump_is_going_to_win_this_is_why_hillary_clinton_cant_defeat_what_trump_represents/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 24, 2016, 11:47:02 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 24, 2016, 09:15:51 AM

Quote from: TomT on May 24, 2016, 06:59:26 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trump-the-welfare-king/2016/05/23/154310f4-2121-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html

So the real headline there is: Trump employs good accountants and likely legally minimises his tax bill - as any businessman does and should. But we'll never know as he has rightfully told us it is none of our business.

That wouldn't shift so much copy though would it?

The headline they used is ridiculous. I still get surprised how low into the barrel the US media can scrape to make stuff up.

It was successful in attracting a low information voter, who prefers to believe certain delusions. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 24, 2016, 01:41:32 PM

It's not that important, yet. In fact I still maintain that the polls will have real relevance starting only in September. However this early lead is very enjoyable.

Trump now leads Clinton in average of all national polls.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-trump-leads-clinton-average-national-polls-article-1.2647025

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 24, 2016, 02:00:53 PM

Quote from: Manny on May 24, 2016, 09:15:51 AM

So the real headline there is: Trump employs good accountants and likely legally minimises his tax bill - as any businessman does and should. But we'll never know as he has rightfully told us it is none of our business.

That wouldn't shift so much copy though would it?

The headline they used is ridiculous. I still get surprised how low into the barrel the US media can scrape to make stuff up.

While headlines are often fluff, the welfare theme should strike a chord with three segments of Trump's supporters: Conservatives who would rather use the poor for blood sport than feed them, the middle class who have the greatest tax burden and those who are themselves on the dole.

Harry Truman had it right when he addressed a group of uneducated farmers in Iowa:

Quote from: Harry Truman

I wonder how many times you have to be hit on the head before you find out who's hitting you.

One can understand why people like ANT can't figure out who is hitting them on the head but there are (nominally) educated people whose leanings suggest that they can't figure it out either.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/publicpapers/index.php?pid=1814

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 24, 2016, 02:07:16 PM

I think the Coal miners of West Virginia figured it out pretty well in addition to those who might have made a living building the Keystone Pipeline.

Never fear Tot, your wish for some excellent and reliable POLLS will be happening in September until Trump's victory on November 8th.

The old party of Truman is gone away -- like everything you attempt to mention -- a has been moot point.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on May 24, 2016, 02:10:59 PM

^ You should read the link; it was written for an unsophisticated audience.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 24, 2016, 02:14:30 PM

Quote from: TomT on May 24, 2016, 02:10:59 PM

^ You should read the link; it was written for an unsophisticated audience.

You should familiarize yourself with the true nature of the Democratic party. The ones who were against Abe Lincoln. The ones who were in the KKK (Byrd of Virginia). The ones who made it hard for black men to work (Jim Crow). The ones who created the "great society".

I see no reason to read a link which appealed to you. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 25, 2016, 03:00:25 PM

Trump's win in Washington state puts his delegates at 1209, most likely he will be close to 1400 when it wraps up.

Trump Is Going to Win: Here's Why Hillary Can’t Defeat What He Represents

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/donald-trump-going-win-why-hillary-clinton-cant-defeat-what-trump-represents/ri14569

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 25, 2016, 04:40:38 PM

Hillary's emails are gonna be hard to keep out of the spotlight.
I'm wondering if she will be a candidate come November?

Trump Hits Hillary Clinton on Email Controversy

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-hits-hillary-clinton-email-controversy/story?id=39379270

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 25, 2016, 04:50:05 PM

The Mexicans are showing Trump is correct. Violence and rioting only validates Trumps assessment of The need to send the back to Mexico.

SEVERAL TAKEN INTO CUSTODY DURING DONALD TRUMP PROTEST IN ANAHEIM

http://abc7.com/politics/donald-trump-holds-campaign-rally-in-anaheim/1355368/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 25, 2016, 10:04:26 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 25, 2016, 04:50:05 PM

The Mexicans are showing Trump is correct. Violence and rioting only validates Trumps assessment of The need to send the[m] back to Mexico.

SEVERAL TAKEN INTO CUSTODY DURING DONALD TRUMP PROTEST IN ANAHEIM

http://abc7.com/politics/donald-trump-holds-campaign-rally-in-anaheim/1355368/

That was what I was thinking. They hurt their cause when they wave Mexican flags, curse and spit on Trump supporters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 26, 2016, 02:13:13 PM

Seems the images of violent Mexican Narcoterrorists Gangsters trying to kill the GOP Preidential Candidate and overthrow the USA government by Muslim style replacement birthratews has backfired big time:

Blockbuster News:

The Clinton's News Network (CNN) now reports that Donald Trump is the GOP Nominee with 1238 Delegates!

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/parties/republican

Likely to go as high as 1400 to 1500 delegates by the time all of the states including California go all in to Make America Great Again!

It is a Great Day for American Patriots everywhere! :party0011: tiphat :thumbsup: :gousa:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on May 26, 2016, 04:07:02 PM

Did shakey not state that Trump wouldn't make the 123domething?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on May 26, 2016, 04:09:26 PM

Trump passed the 1237 mark, so he beat the number and can now celebrate.

It seems he also wishes to debate Sanders and not Clinton... interesting choice, it suggests trump suspects Clinton is going to drop out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steamer on May 26, 2016, 06:17:44 PM

Quote from: Markje on May 26, 2016, 04:09:26 PM

It seems he also wishes to debate Sanders and not Clinton... interesting choice, it suggests trump suspects Clinton is going to drop out.

It's in Trumps best interest to keep Sanders relevant in this election. That way they can both keep jabbing at Clinton.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on May 26, 2016, 06:32:43 PM

Trump only has 1238 delegates including unbound. Unbound can come and go as they wish. He still needs about 30 or so bound delegates to win. That won't happen till the 7th. Then he will likely have 100-150 extra to boot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 26, 2016, 06:49:22 PM

Shakespeare, ready to join the new republican party? :)

Marco Rubio Is Now a Full-Fledged Trump Supporter

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/26/marco_rubio_joins_the_trump_train.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 27, 2016, 03:21:13 AM

Quote from: Steamer on May 26, 2016, 06:17:44 PM

Quote from: Markje on May 26, 2016, 04:09:26 PM
It seems he also wishes to debate Sanders and not Clinton... interesting choice, it suggests trump suspects Clinton is going to drop out.

It's in Trumps best interest to keep Sanders relevant in this election. That way they can both keep jabbing at Clinton.

True that!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 27, 2016, 06:21:29 AM

Quote from: rosco on May 26, 2016, 04:07:02 PM

Did shakey not state that Trump wouldn't make the 123domething?

His feet are now very wet as he sits on his throne at the seashore commanding to the waves "go back, go back"! But the waves pay him no heed.

We must be getting closer to the point where the waves lapping at Hillary's ankles cause even her most ardent supporters to leave her side and head to the dry land where Bernie is standing, waiting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 27, 2016, 06:27:16 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 27, 2016, 06:21:29 AM

Quote from: rosco on May 26, 2016, 04:07:02 PM
Did shakey not state that Trump wouldn't make the 123domething?

His feet are now very wet as he sits on his throne at the seashore commanding to the waves "go back, go back"! But the waves pay him no heed.

We must be getting closer to the point where the waves lapping at Hillary's ankles cause even her most ardent supporters to leave her side and head to the dry land where Bernie is standing, waiting.

Maybe the salt water will be good for her cankles?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on May 27, 2016, 06:31:49 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 27, 2016, 06:21:29 AM

Quote from: rosco on May 26, 2016, 04:07:02 PM
Did shakey not state that Trump wouldn't make the 123domething?

His feet are now very wet as he sits on his throne at the seashore commanding to the waves "go back, go back"! But the waves pay him no heed.

We must be getting closer to the point where the waves lapping at Hillary's ankles cause even her most ardent supporters to leave her side and head to the dry land where Bernie is standing, waiting.

I know very little about US politics but I was under the impression that Shakey was extremely confident, Trump wouldn't get to 1237.

Shakey - are you considering that this is a real possibility now - President?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 27, 2016, 07:22:58 AM

I was thinking of the advantage Hillary has over Sanders with the "super delegates" in horse racing terms.

My math skills are rusty. The length of the Belmont race track is 1 1/2 miles or 2414 meters. A horse's length is considered 2.4 meters in racing. So there are approximately 1000 horses lengths at the track. Hillary has according to my calculations a 11.33% of the total delegate count of 4763 with her 540 "Super" delegates. Sanders has 42.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/4c46f8e8e9324cd30cf51b17749f0642_zpsmjz3izl6.jpg)

Here is Secretariat winning the Belmont by a 31 length lead. Anyway according to my poor math Hillary was given a 113 length lead!

If my math is off please correct.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 27, 2016, 07:49:22 AM

Quote from: rosco on May 27, 2016, 06:31:49 AM

I know very little about US politics but I was under the impression that Shakey was extremely confident, Trump wouldn't get to 1237.

Shakey - are you considering that this is a real possibility now - President?

I miscalculated the ability of 35% of the voters to control and election when there were 17 candidates in the race. Three candidates in the race and it is arguable that Trump would not be in the position he is in right now.

After spending a the week on "The Hill" and speaking with over 25 congressman and 5 senators, I can say the consensus of opinion is that Trump "could win". But the "smart money" on The Hill is on Hillary. Most Republicans I spoke with think it likely that either Hillary or Trump will be one-term Presidents.

Accordingly, expect lukewarm support of Trump in the coming election with the Republicans main concern of keeping majorities in both the House (almost certainly) and Senate (likely) and they'll take another stab at winning the White House with a more acceptable candidate in 2020.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on May 27, 2016, 08:12:23 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 27, 2016, 07:49:22 AM

Quote from: rosco on May 27, 2016, 06:31:49 AM
I know very little about US politics but I was under the impression that Shakey was extremely confident, Trump wouldn't get to 1237.

Shakey - are you considering that this is a real possibility now - President?

I miscalculated the ability of 35% of the voters to control and election when there were 17 candidates in the race. Three candidates in the race and it is arguable that Trump would not be in the position he is in right now.

After spending a the week on "The Hill" and speaking with over 25 congressman and 5 senators, I can say the consensus of opinion is that Trump "could win". But the "smart money" on The Hill is on Hillary. Most Republicans I spoke with think it likely that either Hillary or Trump will be one-term Presidents.

Accordingly, expect lukewarm support of Trump in the coming election with the Republicans main concern of keeping majorities in both the House (almost certainly) and Senate (likely) and they'll take another stab at winning the White House with a more acceptable candidate in 2020.

Finally, we have Shakey's acceptance of what many of us saw coming months ago.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 27, 2016, 09:10:06 AM

DS, that's the Canute principle or cognitive dissonance for you.

We had little or no interest in the event, we are outsiders and can be dispassionate; Shakey, well, not so much. For some reason he was highly invested in a different outcome, and clearly still is. He has spent a week in an echo chamber and come out ringing with cognitive dissonance still. He has spent a week with people who are still highly invested in Trump not winning the election and, no doubt, is still going to cast his vote for the Democrat candidate by abstaining. It is interesting to see how he lines up his fallback positions - and he is not alone in this, after all, he is just repeating what he has been told ~~to say~~.

Seems odd to me that he, and others like him should be thinking in terms of they can sabotage their party's candidate and presidency - that alone suggests that the Republican party is in very serious, possibly schismatic, trouble.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 27, 2016, 12:07:21 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 18, 2015, 12:29:51 PM

Quote from: Boris on June 18, 2015, 12:10:56 PM
No chance...

If you are saying he has no chance to win the nomination I agree. However he does have a chance to shape the conversation which I believe is to the benefit of all Americans. And obviously it will help his ratings for his TV show.

Oh how times change in a year.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 27, 2016, 06:41:04 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 16, 2015, 08:09:59 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 16, 2015, 05:13:51 PM
President doesn't seem such a huge leap from there. Its possible.

OK Manny, want to make a little wager :evilgrin0002:

I'll bet us $100US that he is not the Republican candidate for the 2016 election. I'll give you 30-1 odds.

You agree?

Funny. You turned down 30 to 1 odds on a $100 bet. That would have been Three Thousand dollars in your pocket.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on May 27, 2016, 06:47:47 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:10:38 PM

Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Manny will like this one. Donald Trump mocks John McCain's military service, saying: I like people who were not captured. Ouch! :laugh:

Imagine - a guy who never served a day of his life in uniform criticizing the service of a guy who spent YEARS as a POW in North Vietnam. Also said he graduated last in his class at the US Naval Academy which was an outright lie.

These are the actions of a SERIOUS candidate? Ostracizing millions of voters who have served in the US military with distinction?

Hey Manny, the odds just went to 50-1. You want action on the $100?

Hey "manny" you actually turned down 50 to 1. Five Thousand Dollars! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 27, 2016, 11:36:56 PM

Quote from: Anteros on May 27, 2016, 06:47:47 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:10:38 PM
Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Manny will like this one. Donald Trump mocks John McCain's military service, saying: I like people who were not captured. Ouch! :laugh:

Imagine - a guy who never served a day of his life in uniform criticizing the service of a guy who spent YEARS as a POW in North Vietnam. Also said he graduated last in his class at the US Naval Academy which was an outright lie.

These are the actions of a SERIOUS candidate? Ostracizing millions of voters who have served in the US military with distinction?

Hey Manny, the odds just went to 50-1. You want action on the $100?

Hey "manny" you actually turned down 50 to 1. Five Thousand Dollars! :laugh:

It's a good thing Shakes is a lawyer and not a stock broker.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 28, 2016, 01:31:06 AM

Looking back a year I can see I was wrong about an important factor. I said that Trump wouldn't succeed without party machinery support. I was wrong, he did and has.

My esteem for the bloke has increased hugely as he has shown himself to be an excellent Marketer, a savvy media manager and a primo team builder.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 28, 2016, 02:44:33 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 27, 2016, 07:22:58 AM

I was thinking of the advantage Hillary has over Sanders with the "super delegates" in horse racing terms.

My math skills are rusty. The length of the Belmont race track is 1 1/2 miles or 2414 meters. A horse's length is considered 2.4 meters in racing. So there are approximately 1000 horses lengths at the track. Hillary has according to my calculations a 11.33% of the total delegate count of 4763 with her 540 "Super" delegates. Sanders has 42.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/4c46f8e8e9324cd30cf51b17749f0642_zpsmjz3izl6.jpg)

Here is Secretariat winning the Belmont by a 31 length lead. Anyway according to my poor math Hillary was given a 113 length lead!

If my math is off please correct.

Nice post Maxx! I like your creative illustration of the rigged Democrat horse race.

I am listening at the moment to Trump in his speech at Billings, MT. He said the Republican race is rigged too but the way he won using a boxing analogy he had to knock out his opponents.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 28, 2016, 03:01:45 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 27, 2016, 06:41:04 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 16, 2015, 08:09:59 PM
Quote from: Manny on July 16, 2015, 05:13:51 PM
President doesn't seem such a huge leap from there. Its possible.

OK Manny, want to make a little wager :evilgrin0002:

I'll bet us $100US that he is not the Republican candidate for the 2016 election. I'll give you 30-1 odds.

You agree?

Funny. You turned down 30 to 1 odds on a $100 bet. That would have been Three Thousand dollars in your pocket.

Quote from: Anteros on May 27, 2016, 06:47:47 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2015, 01:10:38 PM
Quote from: Anteros on July 18, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
Manny will like this one. Donald Trump mocks John McCain's military service, saying: I like people who were not captured. Ouch! :laugh:

Imagine - a guy who never served a day of his life in uniform criticizing the service of a guy who spent YEARS as a POW in North Vietnam. Also said he graduated last in his class at the US Naval Academy which was an outright lie.

These are the actions of a SERIOUS candidate? Ostracizing millions of voters who have served in the US military with distinction?

Hey Manny, the odds just went to 50-1. You want action on the $100?

Hey "manny" you actually turned down 50 to 1. Five Thousand Dollars! :laugh:

Does that offer still stand Shakey? :king:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 28, 2016, 03:16:33 AM

Oooh, I bet he'd not make that offer again. Even he can feel his wet feet now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 28, 2016, 11:42:45 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 28, 2016, 03:01:45 AM

Does that offer still stand Shakey? :king:

Never figured you as one to gloat after the fact.

Especially when you didn't have the balls to accept the bet when offered :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 28, 2016, 04:14:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 28, 2016, 11:42:45 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 28, 2016, 03:01:45 AM
Does that offer still stand Shakey? :king:

Never figured you as one to gloat after the fact.

Especially when you didn't have the balls to accept the bet when offered :laugh:

Funny how it changes though isn't it?

When I started the topic, I thought, wow, that's interesting. The bloke has a chance; slim, but a chance.

Now, a year later, "President Trump" is quite possible.

I am actually quite surprised he hasn't suffered an "unfortunate accident" by now. It is still a possibility. The machine doesn't want Trump unless he can be house trained; and he likely can't be. If he wins it will be a rare case of actual democracy in action.

He is a bit rough around the edges but the machine will tamp that down. He will learn Statesmanship as he goes.

Could he make America great again? Into a country once more the world likes? Possibly. Long slog but he could start it off......

Stopping perpetual war would be a start......

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on May 29, 2016, 04:01:52 AM

That 44 percent of Americans still want a third alternative speaks volumes for the disconnect voters feel ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 29, 2016, 07:36:36 AM

The democrats might just hand Donald Trump the presidency. The email scandal is showing just how incompetent Hillary Clinton is. :coffeeread:

First deposition in email scandal reveals Clinton’s computer illiteracy

https://www.rt.com/usa/344723-clinton-email-scandal-lukens/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 29, 2016, 01:06:56 PM

Another failure for the "brilliant businessman"

The Toronto Trump Tower is in default. Investors left holding the bag for $260 million.

Direct quote: "Talon’s clients are “no longer interested in the Trump brand” because Trump himself has damaged it", company lawyer Symon Zucker said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/05/27/trump-tower-toronto_n_10166292.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on May 29, 2016, 02:16:47 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 29, 2016, 01:06:56 PM

Another failure for the "brilliant businessman"

The Toronto Trump Tower is in default. Investors left holding the bag for $260 million.

Direct quote: "Talon’s clients are “no longer interested in the Trump brand” because Trump himself has damaged it", company lawyer Symon Zucker said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/05/27/trump-tower-toronto_n_10166292.html

They licensed his name, he wasn't involved in the construction of it. Falling panes of glass from a skyscraper? That is incompetence on a large scale.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 29, 2016, 03:26:58 PM

Those Hispanics living in the United states legally would get a big boost if their illegal country folk are deported. Once more Hispanics understand this Trumps electability among Hispanics will jump.

A growing number of vocal Hispanic minority speaking out in favor of Trump

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2016/05/28/growing-number-vocal-hispanic-minority-speaking-out-in-favor-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 29, 2016, 03:47:04 PM

Quote from: Slumba on May 29, 2016, 02:16:47 PM

They licensed his name, he wasn't involved in the construction of it. Falling panes of glass from a skyscraper? That is incompetence on a large scale.

He ran the management company that was responsible for soliciting investors and the maintenance of the building.

No way he doesn't have a black eye from this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 29, 2016, 06:28:57 PM

Trump seems to have a better sense of what direction the United states needs to take, when it comes to foreign policy.

Trump’s Five Questions on US Foreign Policy

Along with his self-congratulatory bombast, Donald Trump has offered a rare critique of Official Washington’s “group think” about foreign policy, including the wisdom of NATO expansion and the value of endless war

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/trumps-five-questions-us-foreign-policy/ri14540

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 29, 2016, 08:14:00 PM

This is typical George Soros, more than likely those latino protesters in San Diego were on the Soros payroll.

Billionaire George Soros funds $15M effort to stop Trump, mobilize Latinos

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2016/03/10/billionaire-smackdown-george-soros-funds-effort-to-stop-trump-mobilize-latinos/

George Soros can be linked to many terrorist activities, so this is really nothing new. What is troubling is his connection to Clinton.
Shakespeare seems to think Trump will have legal issues and what not to impede his road to the white house.
But Donald Trump is much like Teflon, nothing sticks to him.

C.I.A. Links Top Hillary Donor George Soros to Terrorist Bombing

http://freedomoutpost.com/c-i-a-links-top-hillary-donor-george-soros-to-terrorist-bombing/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 29, 2016, 08:23:48 PM

Marco Rubio, has had a big change of heart.

Rubio all-in for Trump, sorry for personal attacks

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/29/rubio-all-in-for-trump-sorry-for-personal-attacks.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 29, 2016, 09:48:32 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 29, 2016, 08:14:00 PM

This is typical George Soros, more than likely those latino protesters in San Diego were on the Soros payroll.

Billionaire George Soros funds $15M effort to stop Trump, mobilize Latinos

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2016/03/10/billionaire-smackdown-george-soros-funds-effort-to-stop-trump-mobilize-latinos/

George Soros can be linked to many terrorist activities, so this is really nothing new. What is troubling is his connection to Clinton.
Shakespeare seems to think Trump will have legal issues and what not to impede his road to the white house.
But Donald Trump is much like Teflon, nothing sticks to him.

C.I.A. Links Top Hillary Donor George Soros to Terrorist Bombing

http://freedomoutpost.com/c-i-a-links-top-hillary-donor-george-soros-to-terrorist-bombing/

Sometimes I wonder how many people actually read the links that TC points to? I hope not to many. The above if being a typical example, is the most muddled piece of words attempting to be an opinion piece that even Ron Hubbard or Edward Bulwer-Lytton could not have penned it. It only seems G. Soros can do no good from either side of the political spectrum. I guess what they say about being rich is true, it ain't easy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 29, 2016, 10:59:19 PM

From the AMERICAN THINKER

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/196617_5__zps2ymducna.png)

They see part of the problem. But they cannot bring themselves to admit what is really going on. Hillary Clinton is playing Margaret Dumont to Donald Trump’s Groucho Marx.

While Trump is no mere comedian aimed at getting laughs and nothing more, he is mining the same vein of public sentiment that Groucho did: near universal resentment over phony pretentiousness. In the 1930s and 1940s, it was social conventions related to class – opera goers who lacked any real interest in music, but were signaling their status with expensive clothes and tickets to lavish productions.

Today, the stakes of pretentiousness and phoniness have escalated to the point where they deeply affect everyday lives. Political correctness about welcoming un-vetted Muslims by the tens or hundreds of thousands can endanger our lives. As was vividly illustrated by recent events in San Bernardino, where locals were reluctant to speak up out of fear of being labeled Islamophobic.

Just as Margaret Dumont could only make her situation worse by responding to Groucho’s mind-bending mockery:

Debates have broken out in Mrs. Clinton’s Brooklyn headquarters over the best approach to take. Some advisers worry that by running against Mr. Trump as she would a traditional Republican candidate, Mrs. Clinton is actually making the reality-television star appear more legitimate.

Donald Trump’s comfort with the media gives him a fluidity that is akin to Groucho’s ability to change the framework of a conversation on a dime, leaving poor Margaret sputtering and unable to follow the pace as fast as the audience could:

For now, her aides appear to be throwing ideas against a wall to see what sticks, including trying out different monikers after the Democratic National Committee’s “Dangerous Donald” flopped. An internal favorite is “Poor Donald,” with its implication that Mr. Trump, famously defensive about his net worth, is not nearly as wealthy as he lets on.

This won’t work for the same reason that Margaret Dumont was perpetually the object of ridicule. The audience (and today’s voting public) has had its fill of being lied to, of being manipulated, of being expected to engage in virtue signaling when a more authentic response lives in the collective gut.

The best movies of the Marx Brothers are among the rarest of comedy classics: popular worldwide and across the decades. The reason is that they address something fundamental: that we all resent having to toe the line dictated by our social (and political) overlords, and we cheer for cheeky fellow who refuses to play that game and turns the conventions against those who normally wield them to enforce their own version of order.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/05/why_hillary_is_so_helpless_in_battling_trump.html#ixzz4A70nFkWV

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 30, 2016, 01:54:27 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 29, 2016, 09:48:32 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 29, 2016, 08:14:00 PM
This is typical George Soros, more than likely those latino protesters in San Diego were on the Soros payroll.

Billionaire George Soros funds $15M effort to stop Trump, mobilize Latinos

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2016/03/10/billionaire-smackdown-george-soros-funds-effort-to-stop-trump-mobilize-latinos/

George Soros can be linked to many terrorist activities, so this is really nothing new. What is troubling is his connection to Clinton.
Shakespeare seems to think Trump will have legal issues and what not to impede his road to the white house.
But Donald Trump is much like Teflon, nothing sticks to him.

C.I.A. Links Top Hillary Donor George Soros to Terrorist Bombing

http://freedomoutpost.com/c-i-a-links-top-hillary-donor-george-soros-to-terrorist-bombing/

Sometimes I wonder how many people actually read the links that TC points to? I hope not to many. The above if being a typical example, is the most muddled piece of words attempting to be an opinion piece that even Ron Hubbard or Edward Bulwer-Lytton could not have penned it. It only seems G. Soros can do no good from either side of the political spectrum. I guess what they say about being rich is true, it ain't easy.

AV, couple things, the first link is to a Latino leaning audience. George Soros and company hope to get a large number of Latino voters registered to hopefully help Hillary defeat Trump.
Don't know how much you may have read, or know about George Soros, but he does not exactly use his money for the good of man kind.
Often when there are protests violence within a country George Soros name will be mentioned as funding the chaos. He was one of the money men funding what took place in Ukraine.

If George Soros is backing Hillary Clinton it's because he will be able to continue his personal agenda.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 30, 2016, 05:49:32 PM

When you have the endorsement of the very people who secure our border with Mexico, it speaks volumes about Trumps vision for a wall.
If the border patrol felt it was not necessary it's possible they may have not been so vocal in their support of Trump. Also Good old Bob Dole is getting out the word that all republicans should give their support to Trump.

Trump: Border Patrol union’s endorsement is proof that a wall is ‘very necessary

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-border-agents-endorsement-wall-000000406.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 31, 2016, 02:03:16 PM

Just saw this:

Anyone got anything to say about media in any part of the world in negative terms in comparison to the US needs to watch this before doing something silly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 01, 2016, 11:24:47 AM

From The New Yorker Today:

LONDON (The Borowitz Report)—The theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking angered supporters of Donald J. Trump on Monday by responding to a question about the billionaire with a baffling array of long words.

Speaking to a television interviewer in London, Hawking called Trump “a demagogue who seems to appeal to the lowest common denominator,” a statement that many Trump supporters believed was intentionally designed to confuse them.

Moments after Hawking made the remark, Google reported a sharp increase in searches for the terms “demagogue,” “denominator,” and “Stephen Hawking.”

“For a so-called genius, this was an epic fail,” Trump’s campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, said. “If Professor Hawking wants to do some damage, maybe he should try talking in English next time.”

Later in the day, Hawking attempted to clarify his remark about the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee, telling a reporter, “Trump bad man. Real bad man.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 01, 2016, 12:57:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 01, 2016, 11:24:47 AM

From The New Yorker Today:

LONDON (The Borowitz Report)—The theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking angered supporters of Donald J. Trump on Monday by responding to a question about the billionaire with a baffling array of long words.

Speaking to a television interviewer in London, Hawking called Trump “a demagogue who seems to appeal to the lowest common denominator,” a statement that many Trump supporters believed was intentionally designed to confuse them.

Moments after Hawking made the remark, Google reported a sharp increase in searches for the terms “demagogue,” “denominator,” and “Stephen Hawking.”

“For a so-called genius, this was an epic fail,” Trump’s campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, said. “If Professor Hawking wants to do some damage, maybe he should try talking in English next time.”

Later in the day, Hawking attempted to clarify his remark about the presumptive Republican Presidential nominee, telling a reporter, “Trump bad man. Real bad man.”

We get it King Cannute. Your ass still hurts. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 01, 2016, 01:29:59 PM

Trump will be the next president.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/01/i-was-wrong-trump-will-be-the-next-president-commentary.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 02, 2016, 11:51:06 AM

This kind of scrutiny is just beginning - Trump will eventually fold under the pressure

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/05/the_media_finally_figured_out_how_to_rattle_donald_trump.html?wpsrc=kwfacebookdt&kwp_0=157804&kwp_4=661385&kwp_1=338764

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on June 02, 2016, 12:54:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 02, 2016, 11:51:06 AM

This kind of scrutiny is just beginning - Trump will eventually fold under the pressure

I dunno. I think that plays into his hands. The public doesn't care for the political press and Trump showed them up, with a line of veterans--which the public DOES like--behind him, shaming the media.

That's a win for Trump.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 02, 2016, 01:22:04 PM

Trump likely has two basic positions on this kind of stuff.
First, as here, he shows that he can back up claims.
Second, particularly in respect of personal stuff, is 'not your business, not relevant'. Bear in mind he knows what skeletons are in his closet and has already factored them into his choice to run for the presidency.

Given his public persona he can do the latter because unlike manner politicians he does not pretend virtue that does not exist.

I am sure that he has a dustbusting team working on his behalf to both protect himself and to provide ammunition for his campaign. My guess is that there will be matters that he could raise but won't. His opponents will not have such qualms though because that's what they are used to doing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 02, 2016, 01:40:14 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 02, 2016, 01:22:04 PM

Trump likely has two basic positions on this kind of stuff.
First, as here, he shows that he can back up claims.
Second, particularly in respect of personal stuff, is 'not your business, not relevant'. Bear in mind he knows what skeletons are in his closet and has already factored them into his choice to run for the presidency.

Given his public persona he can do the latter because unlike manner politicians he does not pretend virtue that does not exist.

I am sure that he has a dustbusting team working on his behalf to both protect himself and to provide ammunition for his campaign. My guess is that there will be matters that he could raise but won't. His opponents will not have such qualms though because that's what they are used to doing.

Unfortunately I suspect Andy you are correct. I say unfortunately because I would like to at least hope that politicians have a higher standard than say lawyers (no offense to any members who earn there daily keep in this manner). Quite a while back I pondered if it was the carpet muncher against the guy with the bad carpet. We would see a shit fest unlike any before.

This is I fear going to become the reality. Oh well. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 02, 2016, 01:42:56 PM

Did anyone run a sweepstake on how many days it'd take for Paul Ryan to fold like my old t-shirt?

Well, it certainly took less time than Canute and his courtiers might have wanted:
http://www.gazettextra.com/20160602/paul_ryan_donald_trump_can_help_make_reality_of_bold_house_policy_agenda

So, president Trump, there's a country that needs making great again!
Time's a wasting. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on June 02, 2016, 04:03:25 PM

The Clinton foundation is shortly going to find out how many problems there are with charities. Anyone who follows charities already knows.

I think it is a bit quick to judgement for jumping in on Trump. He held the fund raiser in January and the news was cutting him down for only showing half by Feb (the direct donations). You must figure in that donations are only promises and those promises can be withdrawn or take some time getting from A to B let alone C. Then there are hoops to jump with the IRS.

Now was probably a good time to begin criticizing but they have been on him since Feb. He solved the problem for the most part and whether he wanted it of not he also got lots of publicity for free.

Don't know how his tax returns will end up (and don't really care) but this could also be just more free publicity. I think his opponents just don't realize they are constantly giving him publicity. I also think his opponents and much of the public do not understand the difference between how he wages a campaign and how he is in real life. Every once in a while he does show the difference.

--------
P.S. Be careful Shakey that you do not fall into the original mistake of believing Trump is going to cross the line and fail. That didn't work so well before and isn't likely to happen now or in the future.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 02, 2016, 07:56:12 PM

Shakes is as delusional regarding Trump failing in 2016 as he was about a Romney victory in 2012... anything that Shakes says at this point has to be viewed as a Globalist vote for Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 02, 2016, 08:19:30 PM

Audit the CGI - how much money did the Clinton's foundation raise over the years and from who and where did it go and how much was raised while Clinton was Sec of State and as a federal conflict of interest... While she was still an officer of the CGI foundation.

Talk about some major Slush Funds:

This was back in 2013 and does not count the mega pledges from the likes of Warren Buffet, Bill and Melinda Gates, George Soros and various shady third world Billionaires...

https://newrepublic.com/article/114812/clinton-money-trail

$2.111 BAJILLIONS

And...

The Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea Clinton Foundation: $1,088,000,000 - A global philanthropy that the former president founded as “The William J. Clinton Foundation” in 2001. This number reﬂects revenue since 2003—but not the behemoth pledges that the Clintons have collected from world luminaries.

Clinton Global Initiative: $29,100,000 - The glitzy annual conference the Clinton Foundation has put on since 2005. This number reﬂects how much the nonproﬁt that funds the confab has raised since 2009.

Clinton Health Access Initiative: $361,200,000 This grew out of the Clinton Foundation’s 2002 HIV / AIDS program to become the foundation’s single largest initiative. The number above consists of its revenue from the four years for which there is data available.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 02, 2016, 11:40:01 PM

Remember Trump is a public figure and has been for decades. His track record seems to be consistent in terms of his political views. He has no ⏺record of being a monster in business terms, has a great family with little or no personal scandals. He isn't a drinker, doesn't do drugs and is not a friend of Epstein.

He is transparent about how he negotiates and makes deals and his tactics are evident in his writing and speaking and demonstrated in his campaign. His opponents appear to not have read The Art Of The Deal and are therefore continually wrong footed by him. They should do more reading!

The folks getting their feet wet are doing two things:
1) They do not understand why folks are voting for Trump) and Sanders).
2) They have not troubled themselves to step outside of their cosy paradigm.

As a result Trump owns the media and controls the conversation whilst doing only that which he has always done. Don't believe me? Look at Megyn Kelly. She's in love for God's sake.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 03, 2016, 04:48:46 AM

The need for a wall.

By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Thursday, June 2, 2016
A smuggling network has managed to sneak illegal immigrants from Middle Eastern terrorism hotbeds straight to the doorstep of the U.S., including helping one Afghan who authorities say was part of an attack plot in North America.

Immigration officials have identified at least a dozen Middle Eastern men smuggled into the Western Hemisphere by a Brazilian-based network that connected them with Mexicans who guided them to the U.S. border, according to internal government documents reviewed by The Washington Times.

Those smuggled included Palestinians, Pakistanis and the Afghan man who Homeland Security officials said had family ties to the Taliban and was “involved in a plot to conduct an attack in the U.S. and/or Canada.” He is in custody, but The Times is withholding his name at the request of law enforcement to protect investigations.

Some of the men handled by the smuggling network were nabbed before they reached the U.S., but others made it into the country. The Afghan man was part of a group of six from “special-interest countries.”

The group, guided by two Mexicans employed by the smuggling network, crawled under the border fence in Arizona late last year and made it about 15 miles north before being detected by border surveillance, according to the documents, which were obtained by Rep. Duncan Hunter, California Republican.

Law enforcement asked The Times to withhold the name of the smuggling network.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 03, 2016, 12:08:20 PM

A Trump supporter gets sucker-punched outside an event, and the Police do little to stop the violence.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 03, 2016, 12:10:01 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 02, 2016, 11:40:01 PM

Remember Trump is a public figure and has been for decades. His track record seems to be consistent in terms of his political views. He has no ⏺record of being a monster in business terms, has a great family with little or no personal scandals. He isn't a drinker, doesn't do drugs and is not a friend of Epstein.

He is transparent about how he negotiates and makes deals and his tactics are evident in his writing and speaking and demonstrated in his campaign. His opponents appear to not have read The Art Of The Deal and are therefore continually wrong footed by him. They should do more reading!

The folks getting their feet wet are doing two things:
1) They do not understand why folks are voting for Trump) and Sanders).
2) They have not troubled themselves to step outside of their cosy paradigm.

As a result Trump owns the media and controls the conversation whilst doing only that which he has always done. Don't believe me? Look at Megyn Kelly. She's in love for God's sake.

Well, he did give her a bit of an a$$ thumping, and she responded by going to his office and formally asking for more of the same. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 03, 2016, 12:24:05 PM

Another video showing unprovoked violence, this time towards a reporter. Personally I think illegals are no better than terrorists. They engage in a form of urban terrorism on a routine basis.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 03, 2016, 08:10:31 PM

Can't you "Trumpsters" understand how behavior like this scares the hell out of normal people?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/opinions/trump-attack-on-judge-opinion-obeidallah/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 03, 2016, 09:01:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 03, 2016, 08:10:31 PM

Can't you "Trumpsters" understand how behavior like this scares the hell out of normal people?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/opinions/trump-attack-on-judge-opinion-obeidallah/

No, not at all. The judges and lawyers of this country should be exposed for their bias. You Shakespear should understand better than most the bias of the judicial system against alpha males like Trump and yourself.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 03, 2016, 10:37:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 03, 2016, 08:10:31 PM

Can't you "Trumpsters" understand how behavior like this scares the hell out of normal people?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/opinions/trump-attack-on-judge-opinion-obeidallah/

You still just don't get it. What I and you consider "normal" is quite different, however the normal people are IMO the backbone of this country and are about 45% of the population. They are highly pissed off and abhor political correctness. It's gotten so bad that most welcome Trump in all his brashness and even the very rough edges are welcomed. Trump can almost say no wrong, and people are going to come out in droves to vote for him. He's going to CRUSH Hillary Clinton, if Bernie doesn't do it for him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on June 04, 2016, 12:00:05 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 03, 2016, 08:10:31 PM

Can't you "Trumpsters" understand how behavior like this scares the hell out of normal people?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/31/opinions/trump-attack-on-judge-opinion-obeidallah/

No. You understand that Trumps popularity among Mexicans is not very good. Curiel is American but he identifies heavily with Mexicans. I would not want him as a judge in this case either. Trump is expected to win the University case unless maybe the records they are opening shows some hidden fraud. Either way, if it were you would you want any judge who even looked slightly Mexican to hold this big of a case in his hands? Actually, it could be rather similar to the vast right-wing conspiracy don't ya think? Nothing for a big guy to be afraid of.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 04, 2016, 01:48:45 AM

What do you think will happen to Trump if he loses the election? Do you think his life will ever go back to normal?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 04, 2016, 02:30:13 AM

Given the degree to which he has grown his brand over the past few months, win or lose, life will never be the same.
If he loses you can expect him to leverage his brand like never before, you'll be seeing his face everywhere and on products that you never thought possible to brand with his name and face. Steaks won't even be the start of it.

Remember, for him, his normal is your unimaginably unusual.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 04, 2016, 07:40:03 AM

I think his life will be destroyed in a most creative way.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 09:33:55 AM

Quote from: bagalia on June 04, 2016, 12:00:05 AM

No. You understand that Trumps popularity among Mexicans is not very good. Curiel is American but he identifies heavily with Mexicans. I would not want him as a judge in this case either. Trump is expected to win the University case unless maybe the records they are opening shows some hidden fraud. Either way, if it were you would you want any judge who even looked slightly Mexican to hold this big of a case in his hands? Actually, it could be rather similar to the vast right-wing conspiracy don't ya think? Nothing for a big guy to be afraid of.

Scott and Anteros:

If you think a judge is biased then there is proper way to handle it. You file a motion and argue the case in court, not on the campaign trail. What was the reason for calling him a "Mexican"? The only possible answer is to generate racial hatred. The guy was born and raised in the USA. He was first appointed to the bench by Schwarzenegger, a Republican in California. This type of behavior is not permitted in the America I know.

The implied "bullying" of a potential President towards a member of the Judiciary spits in the face of our Constitutional law. Quite frankly, the Executive Control that one could imagine a megalomaniac like Trump would wield with his ever changing moods and bullying personality should be enough to scare any sane person away from even considering voting for him for President.

Now he's "bullying" the PGA for moving a tournament from one of his courses to a different course in Mexico City.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 10:11:06 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 09:33:55 AM

Quote from: bagalia on June 04, 2016, 12:00:05 AM

No. You understand that Trumps popularity among Mexicans is not very good. Curiel is American but he identifies heavily with Mexicans. I would not want him as a judge in this case either. Trump is expected to win the University case unless maybe the records they are opening shows some hidden fraud. Either way, if it were you would you want any judge who even looked slightly Mexican to hold this big of a case in his hands? Actually, it could be rather similar to the vast right-wing conspiracy don't ya think? Nothing for a big guy to be afraid of.

Scott and Anteros:

If you think a judge is biased then there is proper way to handle it. You file a motion and argue the case in court, not on the campaign trail. What was the reason for calling him a "Mexican"? The only possible answer is to generate racial hatred. The guy was born and raised in the USA. He was first appointed to the bench by Schwarzenegger, a Republican in California. This type of behavior is not permitted in the America I know.

The implied "bullying" of a potential President towards a member of the Judiciary spits in the face of our Constitutional law. Quite frankly, the Executive Control that one could imagine a megalomaniac like Trump would wield with his ever changing moods and bullying personality should be enough to scare any sane person away from even considering voting for him for President.

Now he's "bullying" the PGA for moving a tournament from one of his courses to a different course in Mexico City.

I'm not concerned about your allegation that Trump is going to bully some people. In fact I look forward to it.

I look forward to him "bullying" ISIS and putting them out of business.

I look forward to him "bullying" the Mexican government for deliberately sending criminals to the USA.

I look forward to him "bullying" China and any other nation that devalues their currency to rip us off.

I look forward to him "bullying" the IRS, a very corrupt agency which abused their power.

I look forward to him "bullying" environmental extremists, who shut down the Keystone pipeline.

Can anyone else think of situations where somebody needs to be "bullied"? Please add to this list.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 04, 2016, 10:39:27 AM

Ant has learnt a Trump technique. :)
Reframing the negative point as a positive. That's been a key reason why he has confounded his opponents with his apparent invincibility.

A judo technique applied to language and political 'debate'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on June 04, 2016, 11:15:38 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 09:33:55 AM

Quote from: bagalia on June 04, 2016, 12:00:05 AM

No. You understand that Trumps popularity among Mexicans is not very good. Curiel is American but he identifies heavily with Mexicans. I would not want him as a judge in this case either. Trump is expected to win the University case unless maybe the records they are opening shows some hidden fraud. Either way, if it were you would you want any judge who even looked slightly Mexican to hold this big of a case in his hands? Actually, it could be rather similar to the vast right-wing conspiracy don't ya think? Nothing for a big guy to be afraid of.

Scott and Anteros:

If you think a judge is biased then there is proper way to handle it. You file a motion and argue the case in court, not on the campaign trail. What was the reason for calling him a "Mexican"? The only possible answer is to generate racial hatred. The guy was born and raised in the USA. He was first appointed to the bench by Schwarzenegger, a Republican in California. This type of behavior is not permitted in the America I know.

The implied "bullying" of a potential President towards a member of the Judiciary spits in the face of our Constitutional law. Quite frankly, the Executive Control that one could imagine a megalomaniac like Trump would wield with his ever changing moods and bullying personality should be enough to scare any sane person away from even considering voting for him for President.

Now he's "bullying" the PGA for moving a tournament from one of his courses to a different course in Mexico City.

Aside:

The judge is a member of "La Raza" which in English translates as "The Race". An equivalent organization for White people in the USA doesn't exist, because the FBI crushed all such movements in the 50s and 60s.

La Raza is an extremist organization, which believes that what is currently California was "stolen" from the people living in Mexico and thus, any means used to return "Aztlan" via "reconquista" is permissible.

Trump doesn't think he is getting justice in the courtroom, so he is trying his case via the public. This is not the first time a defendant has done this in USA history.

The reality is that the Supreme Court has ruled that they are the final arbiters of what is Constitutional.

This goes back to an old argument stemming from the court case Marbury v. Madison.

We aren't going to solve the weird issue of 9 unelected judges appointed for life having in effect, a line-item veto on anything the government does, by posting on the Internet.

The pre-PC view was that the Supreme Court could rule on Constitutionality but couldn't do anything to enforce their view - it was up to the people and the other 2 branches to effect the remedy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 11:19:49 AM

Quote from: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 10:11:06 AM

I'm not concerned about your allegation that Trump is going to bully some people. In fact I look forward to it.

So:

1) A person should be able to disqualify a person from jury selection simply because of race

2) A person should be able to disqualify a judge from presiding over his case simply because of race

And you "Trumpsters" can't understand why people call Trump a racist?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 11:27:36 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 11:19:49 AM

Quote from: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 10:11:06 AM
I'm not concerned about your allegation that Trump is going to bully some people. In fact I look forward to it.

So:

1) A person should be able to disqualify a person from jury selection simply because of race

2) A person should be able to disqualify a judge from presiding over his case simply because of race

And you "Trumpsters" can't understand why people call Trump a racist?

Now you're really being silly. Trump is fighting back against the usual lefty propaganda. As Slumba correctly posted the judge is a member of La Raza, a very racist organization which would like anarchy.

The left has used such tactics for 50 years. We finally have a champion on the right, and you wish to complain?

Here is an article and video about illegals who threatened and assaulted peaceful Trump supporters. These are the thugs you are defending.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/violence-breaks-trump-rally-san-jose-protesters-hurl/story?id=39576437

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on June 04, 2016, 12:21:47 PM

The Trump University case is a political issue. It will be used against Trump. It should not be off limits for him to argue his side.

I would not use the race card here as much as the politically correct card. Trump is of course not politically correct. The two almost overlap and maybe it is time to reexamine many things from a different viewpoint.

On the subject of La Raza, The judge is a member of a La Raza Lawyer group and there is a difference between the two groups but one could point out a definite partiality for Mexican immigration issues.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 12:41:14 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 11:27:36 AM

Now you're really being silly. Trump is fighting back against the usual lefty propaganda.

You're deflecting.

Trump is openly saying that a judge in his case is biased against him because he's of Mexican heritage.

If true, the proper format for this accusation is for his attorney to file a motion and argue it in the courtroom and get the judge to recuse himself.

Not to address the issue during a political speech.

I cannot believe you disagree with these statements.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 04, 2016, 12:45:23 PM

Commentary by Jake Novak, supervising producer of CNBC's "Power Lunch."

I was wrong: Trump WILL be the next president

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/01/i-was-wrong-trump-will-be-the-next-president-commentary.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 12:46:26 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 12:41:14 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 11:27:36 AM
Now you're really being silly. Trump is fighting back against the usual lefty propaganda.

You're deflecting.

Trump is openly saying that a judge in his case is biased against him because he's of Mexican heritage.

If true, the proper format for this accusation is for his attorney to file a motion and argue it in the courtroom and get the judge to recuse himself.

Not to address the issue during a political speech.

I cannot believe you disagree with these statements.

I cannot believe you don't understand what Trump is doing with this. I suggest you familiarize yourself with the concept of "verbal Judo".

You want the familiar and the establishment way of doing things. Trump refuses to do things your way. Get used to it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 04, 2016, 12:48:26 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 11:27:36 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 11:19:49 AM
Quote from: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 10:11:06 AM
I'm not concerned about your allegation that Trump is going to bully some people. In fact I look forward to it.

So:

1) A person should be able to disqualify a person from jury selection simply because of race

2) A person should be able to disqualify a judge from presiding over his case simply because of race

And you "Trumpsters" can't understand why people call Trump a racist?

Now you're really being silly. Trump is fighting back against the usual lefty propaganda. As Slumba correctly posted the judge is a member of La Raza, a very racist organization which would like anarchy.

The left has used such tactics for 50 years. We finally have a champion on the right, and you wish to complain?

Here is an article and video about illegals who threatened and assaulted peaceful Trump supporters. These are the thugs you are defending.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/violence-breaks-trump-rally-san-jose-protesters-hurl/story?id=39576437

One of the main reasons there are so many Obamunist supported hostile emboldened illegals attacking Patriotic Americans:

DHS Quietly Moving, Releasing Vanloads of Illegal Aliens Away from Border - JUNE 03, 2016
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2016/06/dhs-quietly-moving-releasing-vanloads-illegal-aliens-away-border/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 12:55:17 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 12:46:26 PM

You want the familiar and the establishment way of doing things. Trump refuses to do things your way. Get used to it.

"My way" is the legal and ethical way.

I pray to God our country will not have to "get used" such lowbrow behavior as the new standard.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 12:56:57 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 11:19:49 AM

Quote from: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 10:11:06 AM
I'm not concerned about your allegation that Trump is going to bully some people. In fact I look forward to it.

So:

1) A person should be able to disqualify a person from jury selection simply because of race

2) A person should be able to disqualify a judge from presiding over his case simply because of race

And you "Trumpsters" can't understand why people call Trump a racist?

The "judge" self-identifies based on his race. There is no precedence that I know of where Irish-American judges come out and publicly state that they are a member of some group which supported the IRA. This judge essentially has done something just as outrageous by supporting La Raza.

You are of the opinion that the Judge can self-identify, but that Trump cannot point out what the judge already pointed out. Obviously myself and other Trump supporters disagree with you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 01:00:49 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 12:55:17 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 12:46:26 PM
You want the familiar and the establishment way of doing things. Trump refuses to do things your way. Get used to it.

"My way" is the legal and ethical way.

I pray to God our country will not have to "get used" such lowbrow behavior as the new standard.

It's not a new standard. It's been the "pc" fuzzy left-wing standard for 50 years. You think that Republicans should be above the fray. I respect your opinion but disagree with it, because playing "nice" with the left for the past 50 years got us to the point where we are -- which is that a Marxist-Muslim radical left-wing Manchurian candidate of a "President" was able to radically alter our country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 01:12:07 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 01:00:49 PM

It's not a new standard. It's been the "pc" fuzzy left-wing standard for 50 years. You think that Republicans should be above the fray. I respect your opinion but disagree with it, because playing "nice" with the left for the past 50 years got us to the point where we are -- which is that a Marxist-Muslim radical left-wing Manchurian candidate of a "President" was able to radically alter our country.

So, we set the Constitution aside and allow anarchy to equalize everything according to the rules of the white majority?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 01:12:46 PM

This is who "establishment" Republicans agree with. This is who you're supporting, if you don't vote for Trump.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/02/harry-reid-trump-presidency-is-a-nightmare-i-cant-accept/?utm_campaign=thedcmainpage&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on June 04, 2016, 01:13:57 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 01:12:07 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 01:00:49 PM
It's not a new standard. It's been the "pc" fuzzy left-wing standard for 50 years. You think that Republicans should be above the fray. I respect your opinion but disagree with it, because playing "nice" with the left for the past 50 years got us to the point where we are -- which is that a Marxist-Muslim radical left-wing Manchurian candidate of a "President" was able to radically alter our country.

So, we set the Constitution aside and allow anarchy to equalize everything according to the rules of the white majority?

The Constitution is not a suicide pact - who said it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 01:18:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 01:12:07 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 01:00:49 PM
It's not a new standard. It's been the "pc" fuzzy left-wing standard for 50 years. You think that Republicans should be above the fray. I respect your opinion but disagree with it, because playing "nice" with the left for the past 50 years got us to the point where we are -- which is that a Marxist-Muslim radical left-wing Manchurian candidate of a "President" was able to radically alter our country.

So, we set the Constitution aside and allow anarchy to equalize everything according to the rules of the white majority?

Hardly. The only ones engaging in anarchy are those on the left. Trump is fighting back against anarchy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 03:42:02 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 01:18:40 PM

Hardly. The only ones engaging in anarchy are those on the left. Trump is fighting back against anarchy.

Not if you are advocating that participants in a trial can reject a judge based on his race or ethnicity.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on June 04, 2016, 04:08:37 PM

Trump is a recipe for disaster.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 04:14:28 PM

Quote from: Orchid on June 04, 2016, 04:08:37 PM

Trump is a recipe for disaster.

Sane people worldwide realize this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 04, 2016, 04:39:54 PM

Now this is shocking. The guy's teleprompter froze. This is what The Great Orator can say unaided on a topic that he should be very familiar with:

Some are seeking to excuse or explain this as being a coke stutter, that he is on coke at that's caused this effect when the teleprompter failed. Yes or no, this is not good at all. Now we see the puppet and we see his strings cut.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 05:08:49 PM

Quote from: Orchid on June 04, 2016, 04:08:37 PM

Trump is a recipe for disaster.

Okey Dokey! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 05:21:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 03:42:02 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
Hardly. The only ones engaging in anarchy are those on the left. Trump is fighting back against anarchy.

Not if you are advocating that participants in a trial can reject a judge based on his race or ethnicity.

He's not being rejected solely for that. He's being rejected for his lack of objectivity and for publicly supporting a racist group -- namely La Raza.

Trump would be a fool to not reject him and point this out, but Trump is no fool.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on June 04, 2016, 08:09:26 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 12:55:17 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 04, 2016, 12:46:26 PM
You want the familiar and the establishment way of doing things. Trump refuses to do things your way. Get used to it.

"My way" is the legal and ethical way.

I pray to God our country will not have to "get used" such lowbrow behavior as the new standard.

Trump isn't fighting his court case in the media, he's fighting for the Presidency in the media. The Dems *and* Establishment are going to try to make sure "gets got"; we've seen it already with that awful hit piece in the NYT where even their 'star witness' came out the next day and said it was all bullshit and that Trump had always treated her well.

We saw it again with the press trying to hose him about the money he raised for veterans organizations only to have Trump fire back with a line of vets behind him.

Now they're coming after him about his Trump University lawsuits and he's firing back--and never mind that the Trump U suits are simple commercial matters and he is not, for example, the subject of TWO separate FBI investigations. I don't think he particularly cares about the suits; they are small potatoes compared to the presidency, and if the way to get there is to rough up the judge in the media, then that's what he's going to do.

Trump lacks temperament, but Hillary is as crooked as a dog's hind leg. He should be nailing her on character because the country thinks she's a sleaze. When she goes on about he she has foreign policy experience he should point out that that foreign policy experience includes accepting millions of dollars from scuzzy people for the Clinton Foundation, nudge-wink, cozying up to slimebags (which is really part of the deal for the SoS, in fairness) and then leaving one of our ambassadors and 3 SEALs to be murdered.

Trump hasn't earned my vote, yet, but I will NEVER vote for the Pantsuit.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 05, 2016, 02:53:36 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 04, 2016, 04:39:54 PM

Now this is shocking. The guy's teleprompter froze. This is what The Great Orator can say unaided on a topic that he should be very familiar with:
Some are seeking to excuse or explain this as being a coke stutter, that he is on coke at that's caused this effect when the teleprompter failed. Yes or no, this is not good at all. Now we see the puppet and we see his strings cut.

That is an amazing video Andrew!

Here is something about to be released that will rock the Clinton world.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-06-05%20at%2012.48.47%20PM_zpst5fxrw9w.png)

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 05, 2016, 04:34:51 PM

Ain't this the truth . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on June 05, 2016, 04:42:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 05, 2016, 04:34:51 PM

Ain't this the truth . . . . . . . . . .

You are pretty much grasping at straws now, Shakey.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 05, 2016, 04:55:18 PM

Quote from: Manny on June 05, 2016, 04:42:48 PM

You are pretty much grasping at straws now, Shakey.

I know.

But when Hillary wins in November and makes Supreme Court appointment that will fundamentally change the USA for the next 25-30 years, I want to make sure the "Trumpsters" realize they are totally responsible for that event.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 05, 2016, 06:35:29 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 05, 2016, 04:55:18 PM

Quote from: Manny on June 05, 2016, 04:42:48 PM
You are pretty much grasping at straws now, Shakey.

I know.

But when Hillary wins in November and makes Supreme Court appointment that will fundamentally change the USA for the next 25-30 years, I want to make sure the "Trumpsters" realize they are totally responsible for that event.

No. Going back to the Reagan years, it's Reagan himself who granted amnesty to 12 million illegals, forever changing the demographics of this country. It was Republicans who decided to get in bed with Democrats and allow unabated illegal immigration, because they wanted cheap labor.

Now those Hispanics might be the ones who tip the balance in favor of Hillary. Trump is the strongest candidate to emerge from the 17 who started, but even he could not change the past sins of RINO's.

You reap what you sow, and if Hillary wins it will be because you and the other establishment types were RINO's all those years ago. You and your ilk changed the demographics of this country, not Trump. He's the last best choice but you refuse to see it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tonton on June 05, 2016, 11:00:58 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 04, 2016, 04:14:28 PM

Quote from: Orchid on June 04, 2016, 04:08:37 PM
Trump is a recipe for disaster.

Sane people worldwide realize this.

Got that right.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 05, 2016, 11:28:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 05, 2016, 04:55:18 PM

Quote from: Manny on June 05, 2016, 04:42:48 PM
You are pretty much grasping at straws now, Shakey.

I know.

But when Hillary wins in November and makes Supreme Court appointment that will fundamentally change the USA for the next 25-30 years, I want to make sure the "Trumpsters" realize they are totally responsible for that event.

No, you will be responsible because your party did nothing for the poor and middle class.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on June 06, 2016, 09:09:02 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 05, 2016, 04:55:18 PM

Quote from: Manny on June 05, 2016, 04:42:48 PM
You are pretty much grasping at straws now, Shakey.

I know.

But when Hillary wins in November and makes Supreme Court appointment that will fundamentally change the USA for the next 25-30 years, I want to make sure the "Trumpsters" realize they are totally responsible for that event.

How is it Trump's fault that the R's :

allowed contract murder to be perpetrated by the FBI and the Clinton Crime Machine and did nothing about it?

Lon Horiuchi, FBI sniper, shot an unarmed woman holding a baby and killed her and the baby during the Ruby Ridge standoff. GOP response? nothing. This happened during the Bush I years; I guess the GOP didn't want to rock the boat too much.

Tanks on the ground in Waco, TX: General Wesley Clark, killing and burning 60+ people in a huge violation of Posse Comitatus, using CS gas in direct violation of international law (basically a domestic war crime) on the direct orders of Hillary Clinton? GOP response - nothing substantive

The Republicans did hire Carlos Ghigliotti , a prominent expert on FLIR imaging, to examine the original FLIR video tapes, not the copy of the copy that the Congressional committee was given by the stonewalling FBI. He was analyzing the FLIR tapes.

Then he died, after correlating the video and showing multiple malfeasances by the FBI: http://www.hardylaw.net/Carlos.html , http://www.ncc-1776.org/tle2000/libe71-20000508-05.html

Beyond any possibility of coincidence, 3 separate FLIR experts hired to analyze the Branch Davidian videotapes died or became seriously ill after they were hired. 2 died, 1 developed a severe case of blood poisoning. (skip the Zapruder stuff and scroll down) http://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2000-08-18/78305/

Carlos Ghigliotti died under obvious contract killing situation: a single, unfired bullet was found placed on top of his prone body. Since his body was decomposed, the coroner had no way to determine anything else. He was 42 and in apparent good health but just keeled over while looking at a bullet, I guess. Seems normal, right?

When Hastert was House Speaker I called his office and spoke to one of the staffers, mentioning Ghigliotti and that now as Speaker he could find the people responsible and make sure they went to jail.

But Hastert was too busy either diddling teenage boys, or paying them off (I don't know the timeline), to ensure that the FBI (caught in multiple lies) in general and the specific people involved, were punished and prevented from doing further mischief.

None of the above is Trump's fault, the corrupt, go along to get along GOP brought this on themselves.

Hillary should have been in jail 20 years ago. If she had faced justice then, we wouldn't be plagued with her now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 06, 2016, 11:03:38 AM

I must admit I did not know of Hillary's alleged involvement with the Waco, TX disaster. However upon reviewing this allegation it seems to be exactly up her ally.

If true this is what the World is in for. She's going to make Bloody Mary look like a Saint.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 06, 2016, 08:55:00 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 05, 2016, 06:35:29 PM

You reap what you sow, and if Hillary wins it will be because you and the other establishment types were RINO's all those years ago. You and your ilk changed the demographics of this country, not Trump. He's the last best choice but you refuse to see it.

Sorry you're wrong.

The reason is because you "Trumpsters" refused to be patient just one more election cycle. We had them against the ropes. They were nominating the weakest Democrat candidate since George McGovern. The polls even told us that most of the reasonable traditional Republican candidates would have beaten Hillary Clinton. You "Trumpsters" insisted on nominating the one guy more unpopular than she is.

You caused it with your impatience and unreasonable expectations based on your ignorance of how our government operates.

Wear the badge proudly guys.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 06, 2016, 09:57:57 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 06, 2016, 08:55:00 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 05, 2016, 06:35:29 PM
You reap what you sow, and if Hillary wins it will be because you and the other establishment types were RINO's all those years ago. You and your ilk changed the demographics of this country, not Trump. He's the last best choice but you refuse to see it.

Sorry you're wrong.

The reason is because you "Trumpsters" refused to be patient just one more election cycle. We had them against the ropes. They were nominating the weakest Democrat candidate since George McGovern. The polls even told us that most of the reasonable traditional Republican candidates would have beaten Hillary Clinton. You "Trumpsters" insisted on nominating the one guy more unpopular than she is.

You caused it with your impatience and unreasonable expectations based on your ignorance of how our government operates.

Wear the badge proudly guys.

No you wear the badge. Romney should have easily beaten Obama but he didn't because he was incredibly weak but also because of changed demographics. Slumba also made a great case for why Hillary should have already been in prison or at the least not in politics anymore. I see you ignored him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 06, 2016, 10:14:43 PM

Lead Follow or GET OUT OF THE WAY.

Time for the NEO-CONS cuckservatives to deal with it and become patriots for a change.

Or become completely irrelevant.

I am looking forward to President Trump's inauguration.

Then a rebuilding of the USA to rival the WWII Post-War German Economic Miracle.

Then a completely rebuilt infrastructure with high speed rail crisscrossing the USA to take the load off the nation's Highway and Airport Systems with advanced local Metro Rails everywhere as well as a fully modernized Air and Sea ports systems - not to mention Gigabit Fiber everywhere.

A revolution in American Energy Independence will make the USA the most economical place on the planet to Produce just about everything and anything of value again.

This is going to be the 21st Century of a Great New America if you are a true PATRIOT.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on June 06, 2016, 11:43:18 PM

Election day is upon us. Trump will take in 140 delegates minimum, possibly 60 more. At the end of the day he will have at least a hundred more than he needs. The South shall rise again boy's. Hurrah, hurrah.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 07, 2016, 12:10:07 AM

Quote from: bagalia on June 06, 2016, 11:43:18 PM

Election day is upon us. Trump will take in 140 delegates minimum, possibly 60 more. At the end of the day he will have at least a hundred more than he needs. The South shall rise again boy's. Hurrah, hurrah.

The South shall rise again? :laugh: I don't know about just that in particular as Trump is a dyed in the wool New Yorker. However I feel that a better way to say it might just be: America will be greater than ever before! :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on June 07, 2016, 03:07:45 AM

Clinton just secured her victory.

I do hope Trump can stop her. He's a terrible choice , but Clinton will start ww-3.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 03:48:50 AM

Quote from: Markje on June 07, 2016, 03:07:45 AM

Clinton just secured her victory.

I do hope Trump can stop her. He's a terrible choice , but Clinton will start ww-3.

But that's not true!

The Super Delegates do not vote until the National Convention and are not committed to any candidate until that point.
What has happened is that the media outlets that support Clinton have acted together to 'call' the process as complete with a view to reducing voter turnout in upcoming votes. They figure that people will not bother to turn out to vote for Sanders if they think he can not win the Convention. I linked to a video about this plan on the forum just the other day.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 07, 2016, 05:23:28 AM

Quote from: bagalia on June 06, 2016, 11:43:18 PM

Election day is upon us. Trump will take in 140 delegates minimum, possibly 60 more. At the end of the day he will have at least a hundred more than he needs. The South shall rise again boy's. Hurrah, hurrah.

God Bless our Southern brothers and sisters who are helping us Make all of America Great Again.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 07, 2016, 05:40:59 AM

Quote from: Markje on June 07, 2016, 03:07:45 AM

Clinton just secured her victory.

I do hope Trump can stop her. He's a terrible choice , but Clinton will start ww-3.

At 7AM NYC/Boston time it was all over the Morning News ABC, CBS and NBC all the media SJWs reveling in this "historic moment" that a woman has blasted through the ultimate Glass Ceiling and clinched the Democrat Party Nomination... "Hillary poised to make history becoming the first woman major party candidate to become the presumptive presidential nominee".

Good old Boinie with his lovable chutzpah goes NOT SO FAST here... this is the Globalist's Controlled Media 0.1% trying to manipulate the last major states primaries today to discourage Bernie voters and sway the opinions of the SuperDelegates who are free to vote for whoever they believe will have the best chance to win in November.... This is NO mitzvah... this is a lot of Clinton NEOCON Globalist meshugga nonsense.

Will be more historic when the first presumptive woman becomes the first Presidential Candidate in History to be indicted for multiple corruption charges that when considered in their entirety amount to TREASON.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on June 07, 2016, 06:29:09 AM

Quote from: Markje on June 07, 2016, 03:07:45 AM

Clinton just secured her victory.

I do hope Trump can stop her. He's a terrible choice , but Clinton will start ww-3.

I agree with the above.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 07, 2016, 08:21:13 AM

Paul Ryan condemns Trump for racist behavior concerning judge. Labels it "textbook racist behavior".

Finally somebody showing some character and standing up to this carnival-barking bully.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on June 07, 2016, 08:57:15 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 07, 2016, 08:21:13 AM

Paul Ryan condemns Trump for racist behavior concerning judge. Labels it "textbook racist behavior".

Finally somebody showing some character and standing up to this carnival-barking bully.

Raul ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 09:54:27 AM

Except that what is claimed to have been said is not what has been said.

This is a legal case. Trump's position, as represented by his legal team is that the Judge, a man of Mexican descent, is unlikely to be unbiased in his court activities. The reason is because of his accentuated position in respect of Latino, specifically Mexican, affairs. Normally that'd not be an issue, and it did not arise sooner because it was not germane.

The two points that make the concern of Trump's legal team about bias, or its lack, is based upon Trump's public position as expounded during his nomination campaign in respect of Mexico, illegal immigrants and the prevention of their entry into the US. In turn the judge is a member of a group of lawyers: San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association (SDLRLA) whose mission statement is as follows: "Strongly advocate positions on judicial, economic and social issues to political leaders and state and local bar associations that impact the Latino community.” . The San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association is is affiliated with the California La Raza Lawyers Association, and its mission "is to promote the interests of the Latino communities throughout the state…”

On that ground the legal team are of the opinion that the judge gives the appearance of one who may not act totally impartially. This is a legitimate concern. The decision as to whether the judge should be recused, or recuse himself, is probably one for a legal decision.

To have that concern is not racist, it is practical and it is real.
Problem is that it gives opponents and those who don't know what is going on the chance to score points and, of course, many of those opponents, many of whom are lawyers, know exactly that this is not racism but choose to represent it as such for the purpose of scoring points.

Is the judge capable of acting impartially in the case?
The chances are that up to this point he had been acting impartially, the record shows that he had not been over zealous in allowing elements of the case to proceed. But the judge's public membership of Latino activist groups was not an issue before Trump's candidacy and his speeches about immigration.

From this point inward? Who knows. The guy certainly has a strong declared interest in a field that whilst not a part of the case is now aligned with it. The thing with justice is that not only should it be done, but that it should be seen to be done. For that reason IMHO and with no legal knowledge, it seems to me that the judge would serve his profession well if he were to recuse himself. However that will not make the false accusations of racism go away.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 07, 2016, 10:24:14 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 09:54:27 AM

On that ground the legal team are of the opinion that the judge gives the appearance of one who may not act totally impartially. This is a legitimate concern. The decision as to whether the judge should be recused, or recuse himself, is probably one for a legal decision.

I agree completely. The judge should recuse himself from the case following a proper motion and hearing of arguments IN THE COURTROOM. It is totally the judges decision. Failure to do so is a grounds for appeal.

Trump's PUBLIC COMMENTS on the matter is just another of the "unforced errors" he continues to make during the campaign that will alienate the moderate, undecided and Republican voter and compel them NOT to vote for him in November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on June 07, 2016, 10:51:24 AM

Quote from: Anteros on June 07, 2016, 12:10:07 AM

Quote from: bagalia on June 06, 2016, 11:43:18 PM
Election day is upon us. Trump will take in 140 delegates minimum, possibly 60 more. At the end of the day he will have at least a hundred more than he needs. The South shall rise again boy's. Hurrah, hurrah.

The South shall rise again? :laugh: I don't know about just that in particular as Trump is a dyed in the wool New Yorker. However I feel that a better way to say it might just be: America will be greater than ever before! :thumbsup:

I think Trump would be better labelled with the original title of carpet bagger as he moved from the north to the south for financial and political gain.

But OK, this is the day of reckoning. He has come, to raise up the sick and the poor, the meek and the weak. He will be favored with 140 or more delegates to his side today. Do I hear a hallelujah?

Hallelujah!

I can't hear you!

HALLELUJAH!

That's more like it.

And as a side note: While I and others in the press have mentioned that the Laraza lawyers group are not a part of the greater Laraza organization it is also a fact that the California state website shows (or did show when I looked) a link to them at the bottom of one of their pages. Not too sure if he is actually a member of that second organization but it is getting close enough.

The others are sadly reverting to being politically correct in regards to all this prejudice talk. This matter is one cornerstone for the political opposition and so Trump must make his point to the public as well as the judiciary and he does have a valid point. Judges are human also and if it were Shakey who isn't even of Mexican heritage I would be asking for another judge. I would even be asking for all this to be moved to another location if that is possible. I must admit a little disappointment that Gingrich got into this argument. Perhaps he is not in the VP position after all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 11:30:18 AM

No Shakespear. It is NOT an 'unforced error' to speak plainly about a matter. That is to use a term being used elsewhere to 'weaponise' discourse. Beware, when you enable such usage then you create a weapon against yourself.

If one should be punished for being able to speak clearly, accurately and, above all, honestly then one is in a very dangerous and unpleasant place.

There was no error here, but there were dishonest choices to abuse words spoken accurately and honestly by a clear thinking man.

If you and your ilk wish to have a world in which you are unable to speak your mind, a world that is already being foisted upon you, if you become a part of the mechanism that takes away your own freedoms, then you have failed in your life, failed in your responsibilities as a citizen.

You, shakespear should be standing up, right now, and saying 'I don't agree with what Trump said but I strongly defend his right to say it and that he should not be condemned for speaking the truth as he and his legal team see it.'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 07, 2016, 11:37:51 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 11:30:18 AM

You, shakespear should be standing up, right now, and saying 'I don't agree with what Trump said but I strongly defend his right to say it and that he should not be condemned for speaking the truth as he and his legal team see it.'

What a ridiculous argument.

You are saying that people should not bear the consequences for their actions.

I do defend Trumps' right to make racist, ignorant, hateful, misogynist and outright stupid statements,

But I think he must bear the consequences of public opinion for exercising that right.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 11:42:54 AM

Please, in context, share with us a direct quote, from Trump, that you confidently consider to be racist. Tell us why you think it is racist and let us see.

I think that you will not be able to point to a comment, in context, in respect of this judge, that is, by normal dictionary definitions, racist.

Given that, then every word you typed, other than those forming an inaccurate accusation is just blah, blah, blah.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 07, 2016, 11:54:29 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 11:42:54 AM

Please, in context, share with us a direct quote, from Trump, that you confidently consider to be racist. Tell us why you think it is racist and let us see.

In a speech last weekend in San Diego:

“What happens is the judge, who happens to be, we believe, Mexican, which is great. I think that’s fine,” Mr. Trump said.

For the record the man was born in Indiana the son of US citizens.

Why would he even mention the heritage of the judge at a campaign rally if he wasn't attempting to generate racial hatred?

Checkmate

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 11:57:48 AM

Please, the context is?

Where's the preceding and succeeding paragraphs?

From the words given there's nothing wrong. I have a friend who is most definitely Mexican. His grandparents came from Mexico but he considers himself Mexican.

He made no criticism of him because of his race. Maybe something was missing because you left out the context?

You are reaching, possibly because that's what you have been told to think.

Show us, how is telling us the truth, that the bloke's heritage is Mexican is racist, that the bloke's professional identity is bound up with his heritage. You really don't want to live in the world that you are telling us about.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on June 07, 2016, 12:03:26 PM

And maybe we can move on to the racism of white police and judges in concerning black crime. It appears fine and dandy for minorities to claim the system is biased because of race. Of course it is to some extent great or small but they can say it.

There is also a decent example quoted from Judge Sotomayor in today's news..... ethnicity and sex of a judge “may and will make a difference in our judging.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/15judge.html?_r=0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 07, 2016, 12:22:53 PM

Quote from: bagalia on June 07, 2016, 12:03:26 PM

And maybe we can move on to the racism of white police and judges in concerning black crime. It appears fine and dandy for minorities to claim the system is biased because of race. Of course it is to some extent great or small but they can say it.

There is also a decent example quoted from Judge Sotomayor in today's news..... ethnicity and sex of a judge “may and will make a difference in our judging.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/15/us/15judge.html?_r=0

In regards to Shakespear's claim that a person does not have a right to dismiss a judge (or request a different one) based upon their ethnicity, well this is what black and Hispanic defendants have been doing or trying to do for decades. Just think of the justice nullification which came about because the OJ Simpson jury was mostly black, for example.

If a so called minority (and that is fast becoming false -- quickly ever so quickly whites will be in the minority) can request to dismiss juror's and hope to dismiss a judge because of their ethnicity, and in this case, strident belief in the superiority of ones ethnicity (what do you think La Raza really stands for), then one wonders why Trump cannot make the same case??

Sure, in a perfect World Trump would learn to be slightly more PC, slightly more "Presidential". I wish it were so. But to claim that Trump is "racist" because he brought this up, is quite frankly ludicrous and as Andrew pointed out, befitting of a society where one has lost their freedom.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 07, 2016, 12:44:01 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 07, 2016, 08:21:13 AM

Paul Ryan condemns Trump for racist behavior concerning judge. Labels it "textbook racist behavior".

Finally somebody showing some character and standing up to this carnival-barking bully.

Shakes is now officially off the reservation - Imagine a sitting Federal judge being an open member of the KKK or a NEO-nationalist organization - they would be crucified and burned at the stake -

Now imagine that a Federal Judge is sitting hearing a major case impugning the reputation of a businessman and Presidential Presumptive GOP Nominee for using aggressive sales tactics - The Judge a long standing open supporter of an NEO-nationalist MEXICAN re-conquest movement dedicated to the dissolution of the USA and return of Spanish Colonial territories from the 1,500s - part of the Spanish Empire - that somehow these modern South Western states should be returned to the NeoNationalist Narco Terrorist state of Anti-American Anti Gringo La Raza (Literally The Race in Spanglish).

Would be like the Dutch demanding the return of their NYC colonies... preposterous.

This Judge by being affiliated with LaRaza is worse than the KKK because the KKK never advocated for the overthrow of the US government and seizure of modern American States. This LaRaza affiliated Federal Judge is a TRAITOR to the USA and should be removed from the bench along with all other LaRaza pro Mexico pro Narco Terrorists sympathizers in any official government position including Law Enforcement.

Under Obama and HRC La Raza and ISIS are now both domestic enemies of the USA constitution Shakes took an oath to defend with his life. Your NeoCon Kasich got whipped badly - time to get over it and become a real patriot again.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 07, 2016, 12:48:46 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 07, 2016, 12:22:53 PM

In regards to Shakespear's claim that a person does not have a right to dismiss a judge (or request a different one) based upon their ethnicity, well this is what black and Hispanic defendants have been doing or trying to do for decades.

Whoa Whoa Whoa

Where did I ever say that?

I'm saying the proper place for that is with a motion in the confines of a courtroom. Not on the campaign trail.

Although I doubt very seriously that a judge would recuse himself from a case just because the defendant objected to his race or nationality.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 07, 2016, 12:53:58 PM

Waking up from a bad dream . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 07, 2016, 01:15:00 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 07, 2016, 12:48:46 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 07, 2016, 12:22:53 PM
In regards to Shakespear's claim that a person does not have a right to dismiss a judge (or request a different one) based upon their ethnicity, well this is what black and Hispanic defendants have been doing or trying to do for decades.

Whoa Whoa Whoa

Where did I ever say that?

I'm saying the proper place for that is with a motion in the confines of a courtroom. Not on the campaign trail.

Although I doubt very seriously that a judge would recuse himself from a case just because the defendant objected to his race or nationality.

The La Raza Judge made it PUBLIC by unsealing over 400 documents and making them public during an ongoing court case in an effort to assist his Pro open Borders pro La Raza pro Narco Terrorists La Clintonista - a known Coke Head herself.

Honestly the pro Crooked Hillary Crooked Judge has prejudiced the case against Trump U so badly it will likely be nullified and or thrown out on appeal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 07, 2016, 01:15:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 07, 2016, 12:53:58 PM

Waking up from a bad dream . . . . . . . . .

LOL got to admit that one was funny...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 02:05:56 PM

So, shall I take it as a 'NO', the statement made by Trump was NOT racist?

Recall, Trump is not suggesting that the guy should not be a judge, he is not suggesting Mexicans should not be judges, he is not suggesting people of Mexican heritage should not be judges.
What he has said is that, in his opinion, THIS judge is not trusted to give an impartial service on THIS case because of his known affiliations and the manner in which they MIGHT impinge upon THIS case.

It is reasonable to expect that a judge sitting on a case should be impartial. However, no matter what Trump and his representatives might think about the matter the decision on the judge's recusal is not Trump's to make, but, it is their job to make the point. The ONLY time to do anything is now. He has done the right things at the right time.

I think Shakespear (and many other people) are confused (purposefully or by dint of ignorance) about this matter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 07, 2016, 02:26:02 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 02:05:56 PM

What he has said is that, in his opinion, THIS judge is not trusted to give an impartial service on THIS case because of his known affiliations and the manner in which they MIGHT impinge upon THIS case.

The proper forum for this debate is in the courtroom with a properly filed motion - not in the national media at a Presidential Campaign rally said with the purpose of inciting the crowd.

In the later instance, it is a racist comment, issued for racist purposes to incite racial prejudice.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 02:54:49 PM

Don't be bloody daft. The words you quoted simply do not support such a contention.
And you know it!

Now, because you neglected to provide context I don't know if anything said before or afterward provided could frame his words as being racist. My assumption is that had they supported your case in any way you'd have provided them. You chose to not do so, ergo they do not support the case you tried to make.

Remember, the reason that Trump is where he is, right now, is because he is not a dishonest slimeball, he is not the same as his opponents and so to expect him to behave as one of them is, shall we say, unrealistic?

But as we now see, whatever he is, based upon the evidence you provided, he is not racist.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 03:12:40 PM

Here's a press release from Donald Trump on the matter which will clear up some people's misinformation and misunderstanding. You can read the whole thing here: CLICK HERE! (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-regarding-trump-university)

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The American justice system relies on fair and impartial judges. All judges should be held to that standard. I do not feel that one’s heritage makes them incapable of being impartial, but, based on the rulings that I have received in the Trump University civil case, I feel justified in questioning whether I am receiving a fair trial.

Quote

Normally, legal issues in a civil case would be heard in a neutral environment. However, given my unique circumstances as nominee of the Republican Party and the core issues of my campaign that focus on illegal immigration, jobs and unfair trade, I have concerns as to my ability to receive a fair trial.

Quote

Due to what I believe are unfair and mistaken rulings in this case and the Judge’s reported associations with certain professional organizations, questions were raised regarding the Obama appointed Judge’s impartiality. It is a fair question. I hope it is not the case.

Looks to me as though somebody has been reading my posts here. ;)

=========================

For completeness and clarity, to understand just what Trump's concerns are it is worth knowing about La Raza (two words) Spanish for 'The Race' and they don't refer to running fast!

Here are 15 things you should know about “The Race:”
15. “The Race” supports driver’s licenses for illegal aliens.

14.”The Race” demands in-state tuition discounts for illegal alien students that are not available to law-abiding US citizens and law-abiding legal immigrants.

13. “The Race” vehemently opposes cooperative immigration enforcement efforts between local, state, and federal authorities.

12. “The Race” opposes a secure fence on the southern border.

11. “The Race” joined the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in a failed lawsuit attempt to prevent the feds from entering immigration information into a key national crime database–and to prevent local police officers from accessing the data.

10. “The Race” opposed the state of Oklahoma’s tough immigration enforcement-first laws, which cut off welfare to illegal aliens, put teeth in employer sanctions, and strengthened local-federal cooperation and information-sharing.

9. “The Race” joined other open-borders, anti-assimilationists and sued to prevent Proposition 227, California’s bilingual education reform ballot initiative, from becoming law.

8. “The Race” bitterly protested common-sense voter ID provisions as an “absolute disgrace.”

7. “The Race” has consistently opposed post-9/11 national security measures at every turn.

6. Former “Race” president Raul Yzaguirre, Hillary Clinton’s Hispanic outreach advisor said this: “US English is to Hispanics as the Ku Klux Klan is to blacks.” He was referring to US English the nation’s oldest, largest citizens’ action group dedicated to preserving the unifying role of the English language in the United States. “The Race” also pioneered Orwellian open-borders Newspeak and advised the Mexican government on how to lobby for illegal alien amnesty while avoiding the terms “illegal” and “amnesty.”

5. “The Race” gives mainstream cover to a poisonous subset of ideological satellites, led by Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA), which the late GOP Rep. Charlie Norwood rightly characterized as “a radical racist group…[and] one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a racist nation out of the American West.”

4. “The Race” is currently leading a smear campaign against staunch immigration enforcement leaders and has called for TV and cable news netowrks to keep immigration enforcement proponents off the airwaves–in addition to pushing for Fairness Doctrine policies to shut up their foes. The New York Times reported that current “Race” president Janet Murguia believes “hate speech” should “not be tolerated, even if such censorship were a violation of First Amendment rights.”

3. “The Race” sponsors militant ethnic nationalist charter schools subsidized by your public tax dollars (at least $8 million in federal education grants). The schools include “Aztlan Academy” in Tucson, AZ, the Mexicayotl Academy in Nogales, AZ, Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School in St. Paul, Minn., and Academia Semillas del Pueblo in Los Angeles, whose principal inveighed: “We don’t want to drink from a White water fountain, we have our own wells and our natural reservoirs and our way of collecting rain in our aqueducts. We don’t need a White water fountain…ultimately the White way, the American way, the neo liberal, capitalist way of life will eventually lead to our own destruction.”

2. “The Race” has perfected the art of the p.c. shakedown at taxpayer expense, pushing relentlessly to lower home loan standards for Hispanic borrowers, reaping millions in federal “mortgage counseling” grants, seeking special earmarks, and partnering with banks that do business with illegal aliens.

1. “The Race” thrives on ethnic supremacy–and the elite sheeple’s unwillingness to call it what it is. As historian Victor Davis Hanson observes: “[The] organization’s very nomenclature ‘The National Council of La Raza’ is hate speech to the core. Despite all the contortions of the group, Raza (as its Latin cognate suggests), reflects the meaning of ‘race”‘ in Spanish, not ‘the people’ — and that’s precisely why we don’t hear of something like ‘The National Council of the People’ which would not confer the buzz notion of ethnic, racial, and tribal chauvinism.”

Quoted from: CLICK HERE! (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/09/15-things-you-should-know-about-the-race/)

So, do we really think that the judge does not see himself as 'Mexican'. Do we now see why Trump and his legal team are now rather concerned about impartiality?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 07, 2016, 03:31:47 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 03:12:40 PM

Here's a press release from Donald Trump on the matter which will clear up some people's misinformation and misunderstanding. You can read the whole thing here:

Three days after the fact his "handlers" wrote this for him trying to walk back yet another one of his unforced errors he makes every time he speaks. This one was from his speech in San Diego last Saturday.

The judge in question was first appointed to the bench by a Republican governor in California. He's no typical liberal. He's been a thorn in the side to criminal elements in Mexico to the extent they've issued death threats against him.

I agree, the judge should recuse himself in Trump's case. The appearance of impropriety is the standard for a judge to recuse himself. Make the motion in the courtroom forum and I'm sure the judge will do the right thing. Trump as a Presidential candidate is attempting to publicly intimidate the independence of the American judicial system. Totally the wrong forum for his comments. If you can't see that Andrew, then you're not as intelligent as I thought you were.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 03:47:19 PM

OK, so now we agree he was not making a racist statement, we are getting somewhere. We agree that he should recuse himself because of his links, good, we are getting somewhere.

So all that remains is that you don't like the way he spoke. Ah diddums!

We'll have you up to speed on US civics in a little while. ;)

By the way, does Curiel see himself as Mexican?

Quote

You bet he’s Mexican.

The judge’s obsessed with letting you know how Mexican he is.

“We were working without the disconnect of interpreters and barriers of culture,” Curiel told the New York Times in 2002. “When it comes down to it this [drug dealing across the border] involves the country of our parents.” (Tim Weiner, “New Web of Trust Topples a Mighty Mexican Cartel,” New York Times, April 26, 2002)

Quoted from here: CLICK HERE! (http://gotnews.com/trump-hatin-judges-father-illegal-immigrant/)

Do Supreme Court Justices think that race matters in judicial affairs? Yep, you bet they do. Its why one of them got her job:

Quote

Judge Sotomayor has said that “our experiences as women and people of color affect our decisions.” In a lecture in 2001 on the role her background played in her jurisprudence, she said, “I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.”

Quoted from here: CLICK HERE! (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/27/us/politics/27court.html?_r=0)
Question: why is it OK for Obama to select a judge based upon her ethnicity and gender but not OK for an ordinary citizen (Trump) to be equally concerned about the same matter?

And yeah, I am plenty bright thank you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on June 07, 2016, 04:27:21 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 07, 2016, 11:54:29 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 11:42:54 AM
Please, in context, share with us a direct quote, from Trump, that you confidently consider to be racist. Tell us why you think it is racist and let us see.

In a speech last weekend in San Diego:

“What happens is the judge, who happens to be, we believe, Mexican, which is great. I think that’s fine,” Mr. Trump said.

For the record the man was born in Indiana the son of US citizens.

Why would he even mention the heritage of the judge at a campaign rally if he wasn't attempting to generate racial hatred?

Checkmate

Who held a gun to the judge's head to make him join the "LA RAZA Lawyers of San Diego" group? The judge himself played the victim/race card game and got a nice plum appointment for it.

OK here is something incendiary to think about:

Rule X: USA *used* to be about merit. Anyone could rise from a poor background and do well.

Rule Y: USA is *no longer about merit* but about the spoils system of political patronage based on your age, sex, color of skin and ethnicity.

Sotomayor and Kagan as SCOTUS judges?

They are both very clearly incompetent and out of their league, but one is a "wise Latina judge" (her own words!) and the other is a well-connected Kaganovich clone and Goldman Sachs crony.

Shakespear, you are a good guy and you are trying to play by Rule X. It is why you continue to lose when it comes to making predictions.

Trump is playing by Rule Y. Which is the actual set of rules that are being used to play the game.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 07, 2016, 07:53:27 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/07/under-heavy-criticism-trump-says-he-wont-talk-about-judge-in-trump-university-case-any-longer/

No, his remarks have not been "misconstrued." Shit normally comes out of a sphincter... and on a daily basis. It strikes me that people who are unfamiliar with "demagogue" and "lowest common denominator" will also have trouble with "misconstrued," though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 07, 2016, 10:11:52 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 03:12:40 PM

Here's a press release from Donald Trump on the matter which will clear up some people's misinformation and misunderstanding. You can read the whole thing here: CLICK HERE! (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-regarding-trump-university)

Quote
The American justice system relies on fair and impartial judges. All judges should be held to that standard. I do not feel that one’s heritage makes them incapable of being impartial, but, based on the rulings that I have received in the Trump University civil case, I feel justified in questioning whether I am receiving a fair trial.

Quote
Normally, legal issues in a civil case would be heard in a neutral environment. However, given my unique circumstances as nominee of the Republican Party and the core issues of my campaign that focus on illegal immigration, jobs and unfair trade, I have concerns as to my ability to receive a fair trial.

Quote
Due to what I believe are unfair and mistaken rulings in this case and the Judge’s reported associations with certain professional organizations, questions were raised regarding the Obama appointed Judge’s impartiality. It is a fair question. I hope it is not the case.

Looks to me as though somebody has been reading my posts here. ;)

=========================

For completeness and clarity, to understand just what Trump's concerns are it is worth knowing about La Raza (two words) Spanish for 'The Race' and they don't refer to running fast!

Here are 15 things you should know about “The Race:”
15. “The Race” supports driver’s licenses for illegal aliens.

14.”The Race” demands in-state tuition discounts for illegal alien students that are not available to law-abiding US citizens and law-abiding legal immigrants.

13. “The Race” vehemently opposes cooperative immigration enforcement efforts between local, state, and federal authorities.

12. “The Race” opposes a secure fence on the southern border.

11. “The Race” joined the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in a failed lawsuit attempt to prevent the feds from entering immigration information into a key national crime database–and to prevent local police officers from accessing the data.

10. “The Race” opposed the state of Oklahoma’s tough immigration enforcement-first laws, which cut off welfare to illegal aliens, put teeth in employer sanctions, and strengthened local-federal cooperation and information-sharing.

9. “The Race” joined other open-borders, anti-assimilationists and sued to prevent Proposition 227, California’s bilingual education reform ballot initiative, from becoming law.

8. “The Race” bitterly protested common-sense voter ID provisions as an “absolute disgrace.”

7. “The Race” has consistently opposed post-9/11 national security measures at every turn.

6. Former “Race” president Raul Yzaguirre, Hillary Clinton’s Hispanic outreach advisor said this: “US English is to Hispanics as the Ku Klux Klan is to blacks.” He was referring to US English the nation’s oldest, largest citizens’ action group dedicated to preserving the unifying role of the English language in the United States. “The Race” also pioneered Orwellian open-borders Newspeak and advised the Mexican government on how to lobby for illegal alien amnesty while avoiding the terms “illegal” and “amnesty.”

5. “The Race” gives mainstream cover to a poisonous subset of ideological satellites, led by Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan, or Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan (MEChA), which the late GOP Rep. Charlie Norwood rightly characterized as “a radical racist group…[and] one of the most anti-American groups in the country, which has permeated U.S. campuses since the 1960s, and continues its push to carve a racist nation out of the American West.”

4. “The Race” is currently leading a smear campaign against staunch immigration enforcement leaders and has called for TV and cable news netowrks to keep immigration enforcement proponents off the airwaves–in addition to pushing for Fairness Doctrine policies to shut up their foes. The New York Times reported that current “Race” president Janet Murguia believes “hate speech” should “not be tolerated, even if such censorship were a violation of First Amendment rights.”

3. “The Race” sponsors militant ethnic nationalist charter schools subsidized by your public tax dollars (at least $8 million in federal education grants). The schools include “Aztlan Academy” in Tucson, AZ, the Mexicayotl Academy in Nogales, AZ, Academia Cesar Chavez Charter School in St. Paul, Minn., and Academia Semillas del Pueblo in Los Angeles, whose principal inveighed: “We don’t want to drink from a White water fountain, we have our own wells and our natural reservoirs and our way of collecting rain in our aqueducts. We don’t need a White water fountain…ultimately the White way, the American way, the neo liberal, capitalist way of life will eventually lead to our own destruction.”

2. “The Race” has perfected the art of the p.c. shakedown at taxpayer expense, pushing relentlessly to lower home loan standards for Hispanic borrowers, reaping millions in federal “mortgage counseling” grants, seeking special earmarks, and partnering with banks that do business with illegal aliens.

1. “The Race” thrives on ethnic supremacy–and the elite sheeple’s unwillingness to call it what it is. As historian Victor Davis Hanson observes: “[The] organization’s very nomenclature ‘The National Council of La Raza’ is hate speech to the core. Despite all the contortions of the group, Raza (as its Latin cognate suggests), reflects the meaning of ‘race”‘ in Spanish, not ‘the people’ — and that’s precisely why we don’t hear of something like ‘The National Council of the People’ which would not confer the buzz notion of ethnic, racial, and tribal chauvinism.”

Quoted from: CLICK HERE! (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/09/15-things-you-should-know-about-the-race/)

So, do we really think that the judge does not see himself as 'Mexican'. Do we now see why Trump and his legal team are now rather concerned about impartiality?

Somebody has finally done his homework, and it seems finally understands what normal white legal citizens are up against in the USA! Now, just so you truly understand -- if you were to attempt to make this speech at a public University in the USA, you would immediately be accused of being a "racist" and there's a very good chance that you might also be assaulted.

You see, public Universities in the USA are no longer places where the majority of students have open minds and are capable of discerning the truth; no they are simply incubation places for mindless PC though -- damn the destructive consequences.

Anyways, bravo. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 08, 2016, 02:29:11 AM

Tom, the bloke did not say that which he is accused of saying. You know that, I know that brad knows that.

I can get that you (and many others) are opposed to him becoming president - that's to be expected, but allowing oneself to become mired in the dishonesty of others is never going to enable a win on objective terms. Yes, I understand and so do you and minority of USAians that arguments in the US are not won on the basis of fact, or logic, they are won on the basis of FEELZ and that is a great argument for limiting democracy. I'd not choose a dentist based upon how an unknown person FEELZ about her, so why on earth would I make a more important decision on that basis?

However, that does not mean that we should abandon knowledge and truth in pursuit of those mindless EMOTIONZ. Use those feelz, but do so honestly. There's plenty to argue about and to emote about without delving into made up stuff, especially when doing so play right into the hands of those who seek to limit your freedoms by altering the language that you use.

A halfway sensible take upon the invented racism issue: CLICK HERE! (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/145560612726/the-robot-judge) Hardly any long words and cartoons are adjacent.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 08, 2016, 01:35:58 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 07, 2016, 03:47:19 PM

OK, so now we agree he was not making a racist statement,

I don't agree with that at all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on June 08, 2016, 03:21:34 PM

Really now people. In order to be a racist comment you need to claim or suppose superiority of one race over another. Trump makes no claim of superiority or inferiority. People are so used to throwing the word around at any comment that they have forgotten what it means.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 08, 2016, 03:27:37 PM

Trump Republican Party results from last night:

California: 75.3% voted for Trump - 24.7% voted for others

Montana: 73.7% voted for trump - 26.3% voted for others

New Jersey: 80.4% voted for Trump - 19.6% voted for others

New Mexico: 70.7 voted for Trump - 29.3% voted for others

South Dakota: 67.1% voted for Trump - 32.9% voted for others

These results are with Trump being the assumed nominee. It shows between 1 in 3 and 1 in 5 Republicans do not want Trump even at this late stage. It is one of the reasons why Trump will not win in November. He's done nothing to earn their votes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on June 08, 2016, 09:34:53 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 08, 2016, 03:27:37 PM

Trump Republican Party results from last night:

California: 75.3% voted for Trump - 24.7% voted for others

Montana: 73.7% voted for trump - 26.3% voted for others

New Jersey: 80.4% voted for Trump - 19.6% voted for others

New Mexico: 70.7 voted for Trump - 29.3% voted for others

South Dakota: 67.1% voted for Trump - 32.9% voted for others

These results are with Trump being the assumed nominee. It shows between 1 in 3 and 1 in 5 Republicans do not want Trump even at this late stage. It is one of the reasons why Trump will not win in November. He's done nothing to earn their votes.

Shaky, NOW you really are being negative..
The guy won, he got an average of 75% of the votes over 5 states, that's a big win man..
He's got the nomination, now, as a good loyal subject of the American public, stand up and support the choice of 75% of your parties supporters...
Cut the crap man..Its people like you who will allow HC to win, is that your preferred choice??
Stand up and be counted for once in your life ffs..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 09, 2016, 07:14:18 AM

Apparently the guy has picked up more votes than any Republican candidate ever. That means he has more support than any candidate ever.

The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one Padawan!

Shakey, maybe you can help us poor foreigners understand something?
Can you tell us the last time that a Republican candidate for the general election for the US Presidency received 100% of the votes?
To clarify a little; given your line of 'thinking' the list would start with John C. Frémont and end with which candidate?
Was the last in the long list of candidates who got 100% of the vote for nomination Mitt Romney?

Or, more accurately, are you talking out your ass again?
Sadly I do not have the time, or resources to teach you a class on US Civics but here's a search that you can run to assist you in this regard: CLICK HERE! (https://www.google.ee/search?q=online+civics+classes+usa&rlz=1C1AVNG_enEE654EE654&oq=online+civics+classes+usa&aqs=chrome..69i57.11984j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)

More seriously though mate, if one can not understand one's environment how on earth can one hope to influence it?
You have chosen to absent yourself from any part in the election by choosing to not understand the environment.
Is that what you want?
You want to be one of those 'low information' voters that you have claimed to despise?
Right now, by shutting yourself off from the real world that is exactly what you have become: a low information voter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 09, 2016, 08:01:36 AM

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/opinion/2016/06/07/opinion-big-data-reports-latino-support-for-trump-on-rise-at-37/

Opinion: Big data reports Latino support for Trump on the rise at 37%

Based on big data analysis over the last 30 days as of June 1st, Trump reports 37 percent of Hispanic positive sentiment versus 41 percent for Clinton. Surprisingly, the candidates tie in negative sentiment across Hispanics at 38 percent; discounting the fact that Latinos default as Democrats or are completely turned off by Trump’s off-color comments. After all, over 50 percent of Latinos identify as political independents.

It is evident that Donald Trump has rewritten the rules of political campaigning, leaving the so- called experts, analysts, journalists and even the GOP itself puzzled by the power and effectiveness of his approach.

Surprisingly, the candidates tie in negative sentiment across Hispanics at 38 percent, discounting the fact that Latinos default as Democrats or are completely turned off by Trump’s off-color comments. After all, over 50 percent of Latinos identify as political independents.
- Lili Gil Valletta

Whether you agree with him or not, his rise and political success is undeniable. He has activated a sentiment in people that appeals to the raw emotion of Washington frustration. On the other hand, he has also set a tone in which public labeling, divisive rhetoric and racially charged comments are “OK” in the public eye, and has unraveled a whole new way of freedom of speech in America.

But even with all this, after insulting women, attacking public figures, mistreating journalists, judging the judge and calling Mexicans criminals and rapists, his appeal is on the rise even among Hispanics.

Even I must admit that my original assessment of Trump was wrong with my Op-Ed for Fox News Latino back in August of 2015 when I wrote about Trump’s poor debate performance and how his collapse could present an opportunity for the GOP to engage Latinos. Fast-forward to now and we see a Trump candidacy that is strong and rising, even under the emerging hashtag #LatinosForTrump.

Latino advocacy groups and some celebrities have launched powerful videos, protests and campaigns against Trump. Recognized conservative voices like Marco Rubio, Susana Martinez, the Bush family, and even Pope Francis himself have made their discontent clear with the candidate, but could it be possible he is actually gaining support among Hispanics?

Numerous articles and Op-Eds have discounted his so-called “rise” among Latinos by pointing out the flawed nature of polls. Back in February, after claiming a win with 46 percent of the Hispanic vote in Nevada, critics quickly challenged the full sample size of voters captured to disregard the number. Most recently, Latino Decisions published an article called "Why Polls On Latinos Get It Wrong," confirming that current ways of polling are under-representing Latinos' voice.

Clearly, conventional political research is in question, but what if big data analysis reveals Trump’s rise is real, based on a sample size of over 1 million Hispanics?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 09, 2016, 08:43:51 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 09, 2016, 07:14:18 AM

Shakey, maybe you can help us poor foreigners understand something?
Can you tell us the last time that a Republican candidate for the general election for the US Presidency received 100% of the votes?

Of course no candidate gets 100% of the vote.

But Trump is the presumptive nominee of the Party. One might expect in these meaningless late primary states that if his efforts to untied the party were being successful, he might have closer to 90-95% of the votes. This late in the game, the fact that so many Republican voters are expressing their dissatisfaction with Trump that they're voting for somebody else has to be a concern for the people managing his campaign.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on June 09, 2016, 11:34:31 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 09, 2016, 08:43:51 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 09, 2016, 07:14:18 AM
Shakey, maybe you can help us poor foreigners understand something?
Can you tell us the last time that a Republican candidate for the general election for the US Presidency received 100% of the votes?

Of course no candidate gets 100% of the vote.

But Trump is the presumptive nominee of the Party. One might expect in these meaningless late primary states that if his efforts to untied the party were being successful, he might have closer to 90-95% of the votes. This late in the game, the fact that so many Republican voters are expressing their dissatisfaction with Trump that they're voting for somebody else has to be a concern for the people managing his campaign.

He's won more delegates than expected - 1536, nearly 300 more than needed. Remember the halcyon days of being told that he didn't have a path to 1240?

He's won more total votes cast than anyone in Republican nominee history. Remember the halcyon days of being told that he was winning only because of the vote being split in certain winner-take-all states?

But even that is not enough, for some.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 09, 2016, 10:42:15 PM

Monday Monday:

Hillary Clinton: A Career Criminal

Hillary Clinton Exposed: The Truth About Hillary | Biography Documentary 2016

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on June 10, 2016, 01:42:52 AM

Quote from: One facebook female friend (American)

I am saddened this morning by how happy people are to have a woman nominee. Really? People are holding up a woman full of deceit as a role model to our children?!? You are so concerned with making history that you don't care about morality? I'd LOVE to see a woman in the White House but not THIS woman. I would like the first woman to get there, be a woman my children can really look up to.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 10, 2016, 12:12:35 PM

{sigh} Trump a businessman with integrity? Not hardly -

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/10/dozens-lawsuits-accuse-trump-not-paying-his-bills-reports-claim.html?intcmp=hpbt2

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 10, 2016, 01:58:50 PM

Al Sharpton reported today that Walt Disney's new film called "Jet
Black," the African-American version of "Snow White," has been
cancelled.

All of the 7 dwarfs: Dealer, Stealer, Mugger, Forger, Drive By,
Homeboy and Shank have refused to sing
"Hi Ho" because they say it offends black prostitutes.

They also say they damn sure have no intention of singing "It's off
to work we go.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 10, 2016, 02:07:02 PM

La Raza: The Hidden Hand Of Hate

This is a Militant MexiDrugs Thugs Secessionist movement to turn the Southwest USA States into a Mexican Drugs Gangs War Zone just like the rest of the Narco-Terrorist State formerly known as Mexico but now referred to AZTLAN or Aztec Land after the originario inhabitants of Mexico City.

Obama, Hillary, and the DNC have openly supported this organization which represents a clear and present danger to the USA and are self-declared Domestic and Foreign Enemies of the USA. Now wonder our ancestors Thomas Jefferson and General John Pershing were forced to treat them so harshly - they literally want all adult White European Males on their former Spanish Colonial Lands to be executed.

Under Trump their wish will be our command - in Reverse!

Published on Jun 3, 2016
Most people are aware that the Ku Klux Klan is a white power organization. Some people are even aware of the fact that the KKK was created by The Democratic Party. Even fewer are aware of the KKK’s foothold in Washington D.C.

Most people are aware of The New Black Panther Party. But are they aware of its true purpose?

And most people hear the respectful allowance of La Raza to enter the U.S. political landscape. But most people have no idea what La Raza really is or where it came from. Recently, an exhibit at The Bob Bullock museum in Austin, Texas glorified the explosive event that took place in the small Texas town of San Diego in 1915. When a Spanish document appeared calling for Chicanos, African Americans, Native Americans, and Japanese Immigrants to start at race war at 2 AM on February the 20th, 1915. The document also called for the execution of all adult white males over the age of sixteen and the recapturing of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, and Colorado from the United States Government. In July of 1915, bands of Mexican revolutionaries entered the Rio Grand Valley. They disrupted transportation and killed several Anglo Americans. One of these sporadic raids, led by Pancho Villa, caused General John Pershing to enter Northern Mexico in Pursuit. The escalating tensions were finally brought to a standstill when Mexican and U.S. officials agreed to a peaceful settlement.

Ancient history right? Wrong.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 10, 2016, 11:21:58 PM

A good thing springing from there fake accusations of racism is that La Raza is now available as a topic for discussion in the United States. Whether by accident or design Trump is once again framing debate and the issues of the election in his chosen terms and focused on topics that are core to his platform.

Did the bloke 'take one for the team' in order to raise this topic? Who knew of the issues connected with this aspect of immigration until Trump raised the La Raza point - except he didn't. He has allowed others to advance down a path that he indicated.

Until this came up I had no idea about La Raza or the issues of shall we call it 'militant immigration'. Now it is a topic of debate in the USA and that may well be a very good thing in a country where the racial mix is changing as rapidly as it is and where the current majority group will, in just a few years, become a minority, due to immigration and rapid breeding. It is, as with Europe, a slow invasion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 10, 2016, 11:36:24 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 10, 2016, 11:21:58 PM

A good thing springing from there fake accusations of racism is that La Raza is now available as a topic for discussion in the United States. Whether by accident or design Trump is once again framing debate and the issues of the election in his chosen terms and focused on topics that are core to his platform.

Did the bloke 'take one for the team' in order to raise this topic? Who knew of the issues connected with this aspect of immigration until Trump raised the La Raza point - except he didn't. He has allowed others to advance down a path that he indicated.

Until this came up I had no idea about La Raza or the issues of shall we call it 'militant immigration'. Now it is a topic of debate in the USA and that may well be a very good thing in a country where the racial mix is changing as rapidly as it is and where the current majority group will, in just a few years, become a minority, due to immigration and rapid breeding. It is, as with Europe, a slow invasion.

Myself and a few others have been writing literally for years on this forum about militant immigrants, committing crimes, selling drugs, raping women, etc. and you and others ignored it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 11, 2016, 09:27:08 AM

AND;

Crisis of Character: A White House Secret Service Officer Discloses His Firsthand Experience with Hillary, Bill, and How They Operate Kindle Edition
by Gary J. Byrne (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Crisis-Character-Discloses-Firsthand-Experience-ebook/dp/B01C3LHS44/

Former Secret Service officer Gary Byrne exposes the truth behind Hillary, Bill, and their public facade.

Posted directly outside President Clinton's Oval Office, Former Secret Service uniformed officer Gary Byrne reveals what he observed of Hillary Clinton's character and the culture inside the White House while protecting the First Family. Now that a second Clinton administration threatens -- their scheme from the very beginning -- Byrne exposes what he saw of the real Hillary Clinton.

While serving as a Secret Service Officer, Gary Byrne protected President Bill Clinton and the First Family in the White House and outside the Oval Office. There, he saw the political and personal machinations of Bill and Hillary Clinton and those who were fiercely loyal to them. In CRISIS OF CHARACTER Byrne provides a firsthand account of the scandals--known and unknown--and daily trials ranging from the minor to national in scale.

Having witnessed the personal and political dysfunction of the Clinton White House--so consumed by scandal and destroying their enemies, real and imagined--Byrne came to understand that, to the Clintons, governing was an afterthought. He now tells this story--before voters go to the polls--in the hopes that Clinton supporters will understand the real Hillary Clinton.

Quote from: cufflinks on June 09, 2016, 10:42:15 PM

Monday Monday:

Hillary Clinton: A Career Criminal

Hillary Clinton Exposed: The Truth About Hillary | Biography Documentary 2016

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 11, 2016, 09:43:28 AM

Here is the quandary America is faced with:

A 'woman' running for president who no parent would want as a role model.

A 'business man' who has actual achievements that leave nothing to desire.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on June 11, 2016, 09:44:08 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 10, 2016, 12:12:35 PM

{sigh} Trump a businessman with integrity? Not hardly -

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/10/dozens-lawsuits-accuse-trump-not-paying-his-bills-reports-claim.html?intcmp=hpbt2

This article gives Trumps answer to the accusation and it is a good enough one. There are other explanations as simple as misunderstandings or just forgetting.

Quote from: shakespear on April 21, 2016, 12:01:17 PM

Quote from: bagalia on April 21, 2016, 11:42:03 AM
Trump will reach or surpass 1237 delegate votes at or before the first vote. Paypal ditched me for life back in my Russia days for accessing my account within that country. This would need to be a WU bet. $100 is fine with me.

Done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 11, 2016, 09:49:15 AM

Quote from: bagalia on June 11, 2016, 09:44:08 AM

{quote author=shakespear link=topic=24412.msg438761#msg438761 date=1461261677]
Quote from: bagalia on April 21, 2016, 11:42:03 AM
Trump will reach or surpass 1237 delegate votes at or before the first vote. Paypal ditched me for life back in my Russia days for accessing my account within that country. This would need to be a WU bet. $100 is fine with me.

Done.

I haven't forgotten. When they take the first ballot at the convention in Cleveland and Trump gets 1237 your Western Union will be on the way the next morning.

Things afoot in Utah this weekend that might have a bearing on this outcome.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 11, 2016, 10:19:56 AM

Got to laugh at all the Trump has a ceiling admonitions made early on in this campaign...

RCP

Republicans Trump Cruz Spread
GOP Delegates 1542 559 Trump +983

Looks like his real ceiling was over 1500+ Delegates...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 11, 2016, 10:40:35 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 11, 2016, 09:49:15 AM

Quote from: bagalia on June 11, 2016, 09:44:08 AM
{quote author=shakespear link=topic=24412.msg438761#msg438761 date=1461261677]
Quote from: bagalia on April 21, 2016, 11:42:03 AM
Trump will reach or surpass 1237 delegate votes at or before the first vote. Paypal ditched me for life back in my Russia days for accessing my account within that country. This would need to be a WU bet. $100 is fine with me.

Done.

I haven't forgotten. When they take the first ballot at the convention in Cleveland and Trump gets 1237 your Western Union will be on the way the next morning.

Things afoot in Utah this weekend that might have a bearing on this outcome.

Yeah, sore loser Romney is still delusional about stopping the Trump train. Too bad that loser did not put as much effort into his actual run as a candidate, we might have only had 4 years of Obama.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 11, 2016, 09:01:17 PM

First thing I would do is try Romney for Economic Treason for off shoring every company his Vulture Capital Crime Cartel could steal and transfer to China and or India etc etc. Anti-American Globalist SCUMBAG.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 12, 2016, 07:17:42 AM

Quote from: Anteros on June 11, 2016, 10:40:35 AM

Yeah, sore loser Romney is still delusional about stopping the Trump train. Too bad that loser did not put as much effort into his actual run as a candidate, we might have only had 4 years of Obama.

Romney would have done a lot of the things Obama did and would be more acceptable to Republicans if one of their own did it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 12, 2016, 09:19:20 AM

Islamo Fruit Shooter goes berserk in Orlando's Premier Gay Night rump riding hump club...

Did Trump just win the Gay VOTE?

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This is a privately owned genealogy website using a purchased copy of the Florida voter list, which is public information.This is the 30 April 2016 data. The 31 May 2016 data should be on this site in June.

Use this website at your own risk. There is no warranty.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 12, 2016, 09:27:19 AM

Quote from: Anteros on June 10, 2016, 11:36:24 PM

Myself and a few others have been writing literally for years on this forum about militant immigrants, committing crimes, selling drugs, raping women, etc. and you and others ignored it.

Ant, unless you forgot, it'd be hard to miss that I am not North American, Not a US citizen or resident. The activities of La Raza and even the Donald are only of passing interest to me. I am interested on the basis of knowledge, not belief, not for cause or connection. It is not I that needs to know about La Raza but you lot, the colonials. To the best of my recollection the first time the words 'La Raza' were written on this forum it was by me - an onlooker - not one of you lot, the afflicted and affected.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 12, 2016, 11:57:07 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 12, 2016, 09:27:19 AM

Quote from: Anteros on June 10, 2016, 11:36:24 PM

Myself and a few others have been writing literally for years on this forum about militant immigrants, committing crimes, selling drugs, raping women, etc. and you and others ignored it.

Ant, unless you forgot, it'd be hard to miss that I am not North American, Not a US citizen or resident. The activities of La Raza and even the Donald are only of passing interest to me. I am interested on the basis of knowledge, not belief, not for cause or connection. It is not I that needs to know about La Raza but you lot, the colonials. To the best of my recollection the first time the words 'La Raza' were written on this forum it was by me - an onlooker - not one of you lot, the afflicted and affected.

That is false. Here is just one quote, for your edification. This is the oldest one. There are others, by myself included.

Quote from: cufflinks on April 19, 2009, 08:30:17 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 19, 2009, 02:30:53 PM
Brass - an offshore company would not be a US legal entity. However, if it had US principles, a US court can overlook the structure and claim that the entity was US owned and operated. This is why bearer shares are popular in places such as Belize and Panama, in order that US citizens cannot be identified as principles.

I agree with all in your last post Jack. :nod:

In reality, it has always seemed to me that IMBRA merely displaces the problem it was aimed at. If "American Joe" who just got out of jail for being a serial rapist, sought a Russian woman, he would merely use a free site or a foreign agency that need not comply with IMBRA. If at K1 time he said he met her in a shoe shop in Dumpsk - purely by chance - her visa would get the nod.

If he married her in Russia and went to K3 or CR1 then he would be similarly exempt from IMBRA I seem to recall? (Correct me if I am wrong on that someone)

If the US were serious about stopping criminals importing women, they would simply show the girl a print out of his history at the immigration interview and ask her, if having read it, she wanted to proceed. I guess that's too simple. ???

Brass:

This is why the NRA fights so hard for our gun rights in the USA - by the same logic - punish millions for the sins of a few - all guns would have been confiscated by our liberal brethren long ago - unfortunately not enough NRA members seeking FSUW yet - NOTE to Manny get the NRA and AARP on your side man!

The real dirty secret is this has little to do with protecting the small handful of ladies that are abused - far more AM abused by GCGs I dare say - No much MORE to do with limiting European White immigration into the USA - groups like NAACP, ACORN, LARAZA and LULAC make no secret of the fact that they want the USA to be a "minority majority" country by 2050 and are well on the way to achieving it - just so happens to coincide with the women's studies movement to keep feminine women out as well as God forbid they keep their men happy and boost the white European birth rates which are now well below replacement rates.

In lily white Moo Hampster it never ceases to amaze me how many kids on the street are speaking Brazilian, Spanlish and African dialects - How did they even find this place??? "Obama mamas" pushing mixed race kids everywhere on a daily basis and the Africans I know (Haiti, Nigeria, Kenya) are extremely sexually aggressive about impregnating as many white women with their African super sperm as I have been told by them many times with them bragging that they have NO intention of ever marrying the women as their kids are an instant welfare ticket to $50K per year in benefits - thus the term "Obama Mamas" as the fact is BHO's mother was discarded like a useless infidel whore when his Kenyan father was done with her. So you can just imagine what it is like in the warmer regions of the country - easy estimates of 25 Million "undocumented citizens" in the new PC parlance.

I hate to say it but the USA is now pretty much Phocked from every direction and having risen now doomed to fall similar to the British Empire. The 21st century belongs to the BRICs and we are pretty much along for the ride - so as a business associate says focus on what you can control - accumulate and diversify as much wealth as possible and move into a gated or safe pro NRA community to keep your family protected and have more than one country and business location just in case the barbarians do storm the gates. :GRAVE:

Why the doom and gloom - the Washington DC Fortune 500 Editor reported on the Sunday News Shows today that the Fortune 500 saw their profits plummet from $680+/- Billion in 2008 to only $90+/-Billion now - a 50 year record decline and an 85% drop as in falling off the cliff and a statement that we and our economy are far from being out of the woods just yet! The Mitt Romney's of the world and his Wall Street ilk must be ecstatic that their strategy of buying up US manufacturers and moving their machinery and intellectual property to the BRICs has worked out so well especially for bloody India and Communist Freaking Red China. Yes the USA and we are all so Phocked.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 12, 2016, 12:01:38 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 12, 2016, 09:27:19 AM

Quote from: Anteros on June 10, 2016, 11:36:24 PM

Myself and a few others have been writing literally for years on this forum about militant immigrants, committing crimes, selling drugs, raping women, etc. and you and others ignored it.

Ant, unless you forgot, it'd be hard to miss that I am not North American, Not a US citizen or resident. The activities of La Raza and even the Donald are only of passing interest to me. I am interested on the basis of knowledge, not belief, not for cause or connection. It is not I that needs to know about La Raza but you lot, the colonials. To the best of my recollection the first time the words 'La Raza' were written on this forum it was by me - an onlooker - not one of you lot, the afflicted and affected.

And here is one more, for your edification.

Quote from: Anteros on August 19, 2011, 04:01:03 PM

Quote from: Rasputin on August 19, 2011, 03:56:04 PM
Quote
Quote from: Anteros1/8 on August 19, 2011, 03:27:57 PM

Illegal immigration exists because it fills a need: cheap labour. If it weren't for Mexican and other workers (legal and illegal) from Latin America and elsewhere, apples and other fruit wouldn't be picked and much of the other labour intensive work in the United States would not get done.... Why would your average, or even poorer than average European, move to the United States to work for less than minimum wage?

That is part myth. Prior to so many Mexicans coming here cheap labor was done by junior high and high school boys. It would be a very good thing for the soul and character of our nation to kick them out and go back to the old way of doing things. There are people who will do such work, and we do not need Illegals to get it done. That is just a bold faced lie by the ones who want to employ and exploit them.

The thing is even the high school dropouts don't want to spent their days sweating in the fields and orchards of America: http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/08/17/could-farms-survive-without-illegal-labor/without-immigrant-labor-the-economy-would-crumble?scp=2&sq=immigration%20farm%20labor&st=cse (http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/08/17/could-farms-survive-without-illegal-labor/without-immigrant-labor-the-economy-would-crumble?scp=2&sq=immigration%20farm%20labor&st=cse).

Also, among those lobbying Republicans to have them rethink their get tough on immigrant policies are farmers: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/us/politics/31verify.html?scp=1&sq=immigration%20farm%20labor&st=cse (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/us/politics/31verify.html?scp=1&sq=immigration%20farm%20labor&st=cse).

Again, without immigration legal and illegal, America's orchard's wouldn't be picked, etc...

I simply do not believe that the 12+ million Mexicans who are here Illegally are all working on the farm or in orchards. Plenty of them are working jobs which would be given to legal Americans if they were not here bleeding our government and society dry. I have nothing against a legal guest worker program. The Illegals who are now in Fed custody should be immediately sent back to Mexico. But our Communist in Chief is trying to save his arse by pandering to La Raza.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 13, 2016, 01:57:01 AM

Well done for taking the time to update my recollection.

However, unless you are a non-sentient being, I am sure that the point I was making is entirely clear.

The fake Trump is a racist meme has actually opened up knowledge and discussion in the United States. Now, a large number of people who were previously unaware of the issues and who did not understand or support Trump's position on immigration are understanding and moving to support him. This is a benefit to the Trump campaign and might have been calculated to be so.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 13, 2016, 08:51:21 AM

Ain't this the truth . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 13, 2016, 02:34:20 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 12, 2016, 11:57:07 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 12, 2016, 09:27:19 AM
Quote from: Anteros on June 10, 2016, 11:36:24 PM

Myself and a few others have been writing literally for years on this forum about militant immigrants, committing crimes, selling drugs, raping women, etc. and you and others ignored it.

Ant, unless you forgot, it'd be hard to miss that I am not North American, Not a US citizen or resident. The activities of La Raza and even the Donald are only of passing interest to me. I am interested on the basis of knowledge, not belief, not for cause or connection. It is not I that needs to know about La Raza but you lot, the colonials. To the best of my recollection the first time the words 'La Raza' were written on this forum it was by me - an onlooker - not one of you lot, the afflicted and affected.

That is false. Here is just one quote, for your edification. This is the oldest one. There are others, by myself included.

Quote from: cufflinks on April 19, 2009, 08:30:17 PM
Quote from: Manny on April 19, 2009, 02:30:53 PM
Brass - an offshore company would not be a US legal entity. However, if it had US principles, a US court can overlook the structure and claim that the entity was US owned and operated. This is why bearer shares are popular in places such as Belize and Panama, in order that US citizens cannot be identified as principles.

I agree with all in your last post Jack. :nod:

In reality, it has always seemed to me that IMBRA merely displaces the problem it was aimed at. If "American Joe" who just got out of jail for being a serial rapist, sought a Russian woman, he would merely use a free site or a foreign agency that need not comply with IMBRA. If at K1 time he said he met her in a shoe shop in Dumpsk - purely by chance - her visa would get the nod.

If he married her in Russia and went to K3 or CR1 then he would be similarly exempt from IMBRA I seem to recall? (Correct me if I am wrong on that someone)

If the US were serious about stopping criminals importing women, they would simply show the girl a print out of his history at the immigration interview and ask her, if having read it, she wanted to proceed. I guess that's too simple. ???

Brass:

This is why the NRA fights so hard for our gun rights in the USA - by the same logic - punish millions for the sins of a few - all guns would have been confiscated by our liberal brethren long ago - unfortunately not enough NRA members seeking FSUW yet - NOTE to Manny get the NRA and AARP on your side man!

The real dirty secret is this has little to do with protecting the small handful of ladies that are abused - far more AM abused by GCGs I dare say - No much MORE to do with limiting European White immigration into the USA - groups like NAACP, ACORN, LARAZA and LULAC make no secret of the fact that they want the USA to be a "minority majority" country by 2050 and are well on the way to achieving it - just so happens to coincide with the women's studies movement to keep feminine women out as well as God forbid they keep their men happy and boost the white European birth rates which are now well below replacement rates.

In lily white Moo Hampster it never ceases to amaze me how many kids on the street are speaking Brazilian, Spanlish and African dialects - How did they even find this place??? "Obama mamas" pushing mixed race kids everywhere on a daily basis and the Africans I know (Haiti, Nigeria, Kenya) are extremely sexually aggressive about impregnating as many white women with their African super sperm as I have been told by them many times with them bragging that they have NO intention of ever marrying the women as their kids are an instant welfare ticket to $50K per year in benefits - thus the term "Obama Mamas" as the fact is BHO's mother was discarded like a useless infidel whore when his Kenyan father was done with her. So you can just imagine what it is like in the warmer regions of the country - easy estimates of 25 Million "undocumented citizens" in the new PC parlance.

I hate to say it but the USA is now pretty much Phocked from every direction and having risen now doomed to fall similar to the British Empire. The 21st century belongs to the BRICs and we are pretty much along for the ride - so as a business associate says focus on what you can control - accumulate and diversify as much wealth as possible and move into a gated or safe pro NRA community to keep your family protected and have more than one country and business location just in case the barbarians do storm the gates. :GRAVE:

Why the doom and gloom - the Washington DC Fortune 500 Editor reported on the Sunday News Shows today that the Fortune 500 saw their profits plummet from $680+/- Billion in 2008 to only $90+/-Billion now - a 50 year record decline and an 85% drop as in falling off the cliff and a statement that we and our economy are far from being out of the woods just yet! The Mitt Romney's of the world and his Wall Street ilk must be ecstatic that their strategy of buying up US manufacturers and moving their machinery and intellectual property to the BRICs has worked out so well especially for bloody India and Communist Freaking Red China. Yes the USA and we are all so Phocked.

Suffice to say that for the first time since the Pro La Raza Obamunista simpaticos took power I now have great hope that the extreme use of executive orders by the Marxist Feminist Saul Alinsky ruled by radicals Obamunists to open our borders to more than 30 Million hostile anti european immigrantes to Estados Unidos America del Norte - along with millions of hostile Radical islamists - the Obamunist enemies of the state days are numbered.

Epic Donald J. Trump the new protector of the faiths and our sacred Constitution of the United States of America in following post: Make America Rich, Safe, and Great Again...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 13, 2016, 02:36:58 PM

Epic press conference by the first truly Patriotic pro-US Constitution loving American to run for POTUS since General Ike.

- JUNE 13, 2016 -
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-addresses-terrorism-immigration-and-national-security

DONALD J. TRUMP ADDRESSES TERRORISM, IMMIGRATION, AND NATIONAL SECURITY

Thank you for joining me today.

This was going to be a speech on Hillary Clinton and how bad a President, especially in these times of Radical Islamic Terrorism, she would be.

Even her former Secret Service Agent, who has seen her under pressure and in times of stress, has stated that she lacks the temperament and integrity to be president.

There will be plenty of opportunity to discuss these important issues at a later time, and I will deliver that speech soon.

But today there is only one thing to discuss: the growing threat of terrorism inside of our borders.

The attack on the Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, Florida, was the worst terrorist strike on our soil since September 11th, and the worst mass shooting in our country’s history.

So many people dead, so many people gravely injured, so much carnage, such a disgrace.

The horror is beyond description.

The families of these wonderful people are totally devastated. Likewise, our whole nation, and indeed the whole world, is devastated.

We express our deepest sympathies to the victims, the wounded, and their families.

We mourn, as one people, for our nation’s loss – and pledge our support to any and all who need it.

I would like to ask now that we all observe a moment of silence for the victims of the attack.

[SILENCE]

Our nation stands together in solidarity with the members of Orlando's LGBT Community.

This is a very dark moment in America’s history.

A radical Islamic terrorist targeted the nightclub not only because he wanted to kill Americans, but in order to execute gay and lesbian citizens because of their sexual orientation.

It is a strike at the heart and soul of who we are as a nation.

It is an assault on the ability of free people to live their lives, love who they want and express their identity.

It is an attack on the right of every single American to live in peace and safety in their own country.

We need to respond to this attack on America as one united people – with force, purpose and determination.

But the current politically correct response cripples our ability to talk and think and act clearly.

If we don't get tough, and we don't get smart – and fast – we're not going to have a country anymore -- there will be nothing left.

The killer, whose name I will not use, or ever say, was born to Afghan parents who immigrated to the United States. His father published support for the Afghan Taliban, a regime which murders those who don’t share its radical views. The father even said he was running for President of that country.

The bottom line is that the only reason the killer was in America in the first place was because we allowed his family to come here.

That is a fact, and it's a fact we need to talk about.

We have a dysfunctional immigration system which does not permit us to know who we let into our country, and it does not permit us to protect our citizens.

We have an incompetent administration, and if I am not elected President, that will not change over the next four years -- but it must change, and it must change now.

With fifty people dead, and dozens more wounded, we cannot afford to talk around the issue anymore -- we have to address it head on.

I called for a ban after San Bernardino, and was met with great scorn and anger but now, many are saying I was right to do so -- and although the pause is temporary, we must find out what is going on. The ban will be lifted when we as a nation are in a position to properly and perfectly screen those people coming into our country.

The immigration laws of the United States give the President the power to suspend entry into the country of any class of persons that the President deems detrimental to the interests or security of the United States, as he deems appropriate.

I will use this power to protect the American people. When I am elected, I will suspend immigration from areas of the world when there is a proven history of terrorism against the United States, Europe or our allies, until we understand how to end these threats.

After a full, impartial and long overdue security assessment, we will develop a responsible immigration policy that serves the interests and values of America.

We cannot continue to allow thousands upon thousands of people to pour into our country, many of whom have the same thought process as this savage killer.

Many of the principles of Radical Islam are incompatible with Western values and institutions.

Radical Islam is anti-woman, anti-gay and anti-American.

I refuse to allow America to become a place where gay people, Christian people, and Jewish people, are the targets of persecution and intimidation by Radical Islamic preachers of hate and violence.

It’s not just a national security issue. It is a quality of life issue.

If we want to protect the quality of life for all Americans – women and children, gay and straight, Jews and Christians and all people – then we need to tell the truth about Radical Islam.

We need to tell the truth, also, about how Radical Islam is coming to our shores.

We are importing Radical Islamic Terrorism into the West through a failed immigration system -- and through an intelligence community held back by our president.

Even our own FBI Director has admitted that we cannot effectively check the backgrounds of the people we are letting into America.

All of the September 11th hijackers were issued visas.

Large numbers of Somali refugees in Minnesota have tried to join ISIS.

The Boston Bombers came here through political asylum.

The male shooter in San Bernardino – again, whose name I won't mention -- was the child of immigrants from Pakistan, and he brought his wife – the other terrorist - from Saudi Arabia, through another one of our easily exploited visa programs.

Immigration from Afghanistan into the United States has increased nearly five-fold in just one year. According to Pew Research, 99% of people in Afghanistan support oppressive Sharia Law.

We admit many more from other countries in the region who share these same oppressive views.

If we want to remain a free and open society, then we have to control our borders.

Yet, Hillary Clinton – for months and despite so many attacks – repeatedly refused to even say the words “radical Islam,” until I challenged her yesterday to say the words or leave the race.

However, Hillary Clinton – who has been forced to say the words today after policies she supports have caused us so much damage – still has no clue what Radical Islam is, and won’t speak honestly about what it is.

She is in total denial, and her continuing reluctance to ever name the enemy broadcasts weakness across the world.

In fact, just a few weeks before the San Bernardino slaughter, Hillary Clinton explained her refusal to say the words Radical Islam. Here is what she said: “Muslims are peaceful and tolerant people, and have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism.”

Hillary Clinton says the solution is to ban guns. They tried that in France, which has among the toughest gun laws in the world, and 130 were brutally murdered by Islamic terrorists in cold blood. Her plan is to disarm law-abiding Americans, abolishing the 2nd amendment, and leaving only the bad guys and terrorists with guns. She wants to take away Americans’ guns, then admit the very people who want to slaughter us.

I will be meeting with the NRA, which has given me their earliest endorsement in a Presidential race, to discuss how to ensure Americans have the means to protect themselves in this age of terror.

The bottom line is that Hillary supports the policies that bring the threat of Radical Islam into America, and allow it to grow overseas.

In fact, Hillary Clinton’s catastrophic immigration plan will bring vastly more Radical Islamic immigration into this country, threatening not only our security but our way of life.

When it comes to Radical Islamic terrorism, ignorance is not bliss – it's deadly.

The Obama Administration, with the support of Hillary Clinton and others, has also damaged our security by restraining our intelligence-gathering and failing to support law enforcement. They have put political correctness above common sense, above your safety, and above all else.

I refuse to be politically correct.

I will do the right thing--I want to straighten things out and to Make America Great Again.

The days of deadly ignorance will end, and they will end soon.

As President I will give our intelligence community, law enforcement and military the tools they need to prevent terrorist attacks.

We need an intelligence-gathering system second to none. That includes better cooperation between state, local and federal officials – and with our allies.

I will have an Attorney General, a Director of National Intelligence, and a Secretary of Defense who will know how to fight the war on Radical Islamic Terrorism – and who will have the support they require to get the job done.

We also must ensure the American people are provided the information they need to understand the threat.

The Senate Subcommittee on Immigration has already identified hundreds of immigrants charged with terrorist activities inside the United States since September 11th.

Nearly a year ago, the Senate Subcommittee asked President Obama's Departments of Justice, State and Homeland Security to provide the immigration history of all terrorists inside the United States.

These Departments refused to comply.

President Obama must release the full and complete immigration histories of all individuals implicated in terrorist activity of any kind since 9/11.

The public has a right to know how these people got here.

We have to screen applicants to know whether they are affiliated with, or support, radical groups and beliefs.

We have to control the amount of future immigration into this country to prevent large pockets of radicalization from forming inside America.

Even a single individual can be devastating, just look at what happened in Orlando. Can you imagine large groups?

Truly, our President doesn't know what he is doing. He has failed us, and failed us badly, and under his leadership, this situation will not get any better -- it will only get worse.

Each year, the United States permanently admits more than 100,000 immigrants from the Middle East, and many more from Muslim countries outside the Middle East. Our government has been admitting ever-growing numbers, year after year, without any effective plan for our security.

In fact, Clinton's State Department was in charge of the admissions process for people applying to enter from overseas.

Having learned nothing from these attacks, she now plans to massively increase admissions without a screening plan, including a 500% increase in Syrian refugees.

This could be a better, bigger version of the legendary Trojan Horse.

We can't let this happen.

Altogether, under the Clinton plan, you'd be admitting hundreds of thousands of refugees from the Middle East with no system to vet them, or to prevent the radicalization of their children.

The burden is on Hillary Clinton to tell us why she believes immigration from these dangerous countries should be increased without any effective system to screen who we are bringing in.

The burden is on Hillary Clinton to tell us why we should admit anyone into our country who supports violence of any kind against gay and lesbian Americans.

The burden is also on Hillary Clinton to tell us how she will pay for it. Her plan will cost Americans hundreds of billions of dollars long-term.

Wouldn't this money be better spent on rebuilding America for our current population, including the many poor people already living here?

We have to stop the tremendous flow of Syrian refugees into the United States – we don't know who they are, they have no documentation, and we don't know what they're planning.

What I want is common sense. I want a mainstream immigration policy that promotes American values.

That is the choice I put before the American people: a mainstream immigration policy designed to benefit America, or Hillary Clinton's radical immigration policy designed to benefit politically-correct special interests.

We've got to get smart, and tough, and vigilant, and we've got to do it now, because later is too late.

Ask yourself, who is really the friend of women and the LGBT community, Donald Trump with his actions, or Hillary Clinton with her words? Clinton wants to allow Radical Islamic terrorists to pour into our country—they enslave women, and murder gays.

I don’t want them in our country.

The terrorist attack on the Pulse Night Club demands a full and complete investigation into every aspect of the assault.

In San Bernardino, as an example, people knew what was going on, but they used the excuse of racial profiling for not reporting it.

We need to know what the killer discussed with his relatives, parents, friends and associates.

We need to know if he was affiliated with any radical Mosques or radical activists and what, if any, is their immigration status.

We need to know if he travelled anywhere, and who he travelled with.

We need to make sure every single last person involved in this plan – including anyone who knew something but didn't tell us – is brought to justice.

If it can be proven that somebody had information about any attack, and did not give this information to authorities, they must serve prison time .

America must do more – much more – to protect its citizens, especially people who are potential victims of crimes based on their backgrounds or sexual orientations.

It also means we must change our foreign policy.

The decision to overthrow the regime in Libya, then pushing for the overthrow of the regime in Syria, among other things, without plans for the day after, have created space for ISIS to expand and grow.

These actions, along with our disastrous Iran deal, have also reduced our ability to work in partnership with our Muslim allies in the region.

That is why our new goal must be to defeat Islamic terrorism, not nation-building.

For instance, the last major NATO mission was Hillary Clinton's war in Libya. That mission helped unleash ISIS on a new continent.

I've said NATO needs to change its focus to stopping terrorism. Since I've raised that criticism, NATO has since announced a new initiative focused on just that.

America must unite the whole civilized world in the fight against Islamic terrorism, just like we did against communism in the Cold War.

We've tried it President Obama's way. He gave the world his apology tour, we got ISIS, and many other problems, in return.

I'd like to conclude my remarks today by again expressing our solidarity with the people of Orlando who have come under attack.

When I am President, I pledge to protect and defend all Americans who live inside of our borders. Wherever they come from, wherever they were born, all Americans living here and following our laws will be protected.

America will be a tolerant and open society.

America will also be a safe society.

We will protect our borders at home.

We will defeat ISIS overseas.

We will ensure every parent can raise their children in peace and safety.

We will make America rich again.

We will make America safe again.

We will make American Great Again.

Thank you.

The media talks about “homegrown,” terrorism, but Islamic radicalism, and the networks that nurture it, are imports from overseas.

Yes, there are many radicalized people already inside our country as a result of the poor policies of the past. But the whole point is that it will be much, much easier to deal with our current problem if we don’t keep on bringing in people who add to the problem.

For instance, the controversial Mosque attended by the Boston Bombers had as its founder an immigrant from overseas charged in an assassination plot.

This shooter in Orlando was the child of an immigrant father who supported one of the most repressive regimes on Earth. Why would we admit people who support violent hatred?

Hillary Clinton can never claim to be a friend of the gay community as long as she continues to support immigration policies that bring Islamic extremists to our country who suppress women, gays and anyone who doesn’t share their views.

She can’t have it both ways. She can’t claim to be supportive of these communities while trying to increase the number of people coming in who want to oppress them.

How does this kind of immigration make our life better? How does this kind of immigration make our country better?

Why does Hillary Clinton want to bring people here—in vast numbers—who reject our values?

Immigration is a privilege, and we should not let anyone into this country who doesn’t support our communities – all of our communities.

America has already admitted four times more immigrants than any country on earth, and we continue to admit millions more with no real checks or scrutiny.

Not surprisingly, wages for our workers haven’t budged in many years.

So whether it’s matter of national security, or financial security, we can’t afford to keep on going like this. We owe $19 trillion in debt, and no longer have options.

All our communities, from all backgrounds, are ready for some relief. This is not an act of offense against anyone; it is an act of defense.

I want us all to work together, including in partnership with our Muslim communities. But Muslim communities must cooperate with law enforcement and turn in the people who they know are bad – and they do know where they are.

I want to fix our schools, roads, bridges and job market. I want every American to succeed. Hillary Clinton wants to empty out the Treasury to bring people into the country that include individuals who preach hate against our own citizens.

I want to protect our citizens – all of our citizens.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 13, 2016, 05:39:47 PM

Hope they will wait until after the democratic convention, Hillary won't stand a chance of winning in the general election.

Wikileaks will publish ‘enough evidence’ to indict Hillary Clinton, warns Assange

https://www.rt.com/usa/346534-wikileaks-clinton-assange-fbi/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 13, 2016, 08:04:33 PM

There is more content in the image below than in all of post #3496.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 14, 2016, 08:44:27 AM

Image if the same came from the Trump side on uproar.

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http://mediaequalizer.com/brian-maloney/2016/06/hillary-supporting-website-selling-severed-trump-head-t-shirts

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 14, 2016, 08:16:15 PM

If one had an inquiring mind, he might wonder what happened in May. Actually, nothing of consequence happened, other than Fox, Rasmussen and ABC all releasing right-leaning polls in the same 2-week period. When the effect of these partisan polls aged out of the rolling average, we are left with numbers that more closely resemble actual voter sentiment and deflated libidos for a few of our members. The margin of error for a sample size of 8241 is close to 1%. Not only is it obvious who leans, we can see how much that they lean. Bloomberg is 5 points to the Left; Fox and the Economist are 4 points to the Right; Rasmussen and Quinnipiac are 3 points to the Right.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 15, 2016, 03:34:21 AM

Maxx, this plays right into Team Trump's campaign. The image is completely distasteful and will offend and alienate many Democrat supporters, particularly the one who are not heavily invested in the Team Clinton platform.

Whatever Clinton might say, or not say, about such images and products she can not avoid the connection between these distasteful images and her, and her campaign.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 17, 2016, 01:11:02 PM

A legal immigrant from Vietnam makes an impassioned speech for Donald J. Trump at a rally in Dallas, Texas.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 17, 2016, 06:01:53 PM

Trump's popularity might be his biggest problem at the moment.
Trump does not seem to understand that there are limits to what you can say, and it seems more often than not he has crossed the line.
I think Trump needs to be muzzled and start using a teleprompter and give scripted speeches.
I'm am not by any means politically correct, but even I have felt Trump is doing himself more harm than good each time he opens his mouth.

It's doubtful that he will make it to the republican convention as the top candidate if he continues to alienate over half of the population.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 17, 2016, 06:59:55 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 17, 2016, 06:01:53 PM

Trump's popularity might be his biggest problem at the moment.
Trump does not seem to understand that there are limits to what you can say, and it seems more often than not he has crossed the line.
I think Trump needs to be muzzled and start using a teleprompter and give scripted speeches.
I'm am not by any means politically correct, but even I have felt Trump is doing himself more harm than good each time he opens his mouth.

It's doubtful that he will make it to the republican convention as the top candidate if he continues to alienate over half of the population.

What I've been saying all along. The guy is unelectable even against a flawed candidate like Hillary Clinton.

Thanks Trumpsters. :censored:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 18, 2016, 04:17:51 PM

Trump was close to even money for a while. That's over.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 19, 2016, 11:11:45 AM

Putin Warns Trump ‘New World Order Out To Get You’

http://yournewswire.com/putin-warns-trump-new-world-order-out-to-get-you/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 19, 2016, 12:19:25 PM

Quote from: Maxx on June 14, 2016, 08:44:27 AM

Image if the same came from the Trump side on uproar.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/1_zpsgqsqj5ez.png)
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/2_zpsemrtmpws.png)
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/3_zpsierbrklz.png)
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http://mediaequalizer.com/brian-maloney/2016/06/hillary-supporting-website-selling-severed-trump-head-t-shirts

Shirts images suck but the Model wearing them has some decent thigh gap at the man trap.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 19, 2016, 12:24:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 17, 2016, 06:59:55 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 17, 2016, 06:01:53 PM
Trump's popularity might be his biggest problem at the moment.
Trump does not seem to understand that there are limits to what you can say, and it seems more often than not he has crossed the line.
I think Trump needs to be muzzled and start using a teleprompter and give scripted speeches.
I'm am not by any means politically correct, but even I have felt Trump is doing himself more harm than good each time he opens his mouth.

It's doubtful that he will make it to the republican convention as the top candidate if he continues to alienate over half of the population.

What I've been saying all along. The guy is unelectable even against a flawed candidate like Hillary Clinton.

Thanks Trumpsters. :censored:

We are in the summer doldrums, Elite Globalist NWO controlled MSM totally against Trump and stirring up controversy... have not even had the conventions yet and afterwards Trump's campaign Chief Strategist and one of the few people Trump truly respects US Senator Jeff Sessions says that is when we release the Hounds of Trump on Horrible Hellfaced Heartless Harpie Hillary:

Fox Sunday Morning news with Chris Wallace:

US Senator Jeff Sessions - Trump Campaign Strategy Chairman:

"Mr. Trump will win on the issues; Jobs, Trade, Immigration, Safety and the fight against ISIS and Radical Islamist Terrorism".

CW: What about the GOP movement to Dump Trump?

Senator Sessions, Donald Trump has gained 2 Million more votes in the primaries than all of the Democrat votes - This is Historic - Donald Trump has energized America to the Republican party Agenda <Note Republican versus GOP> there are about 30 individuals in the No Trump group and there are over 2,400 Delegates, Mr. Trump is leading a historic movement in the Republic Party.

Even GHWBush the first Bush president was down by 15% going into the Convention and still managed an impressive victory.

Roundtable: "A Radical Islamist Terrorist without an AR-15 can still Kill numerous innocent people... An AR-15 without a Terrorist kills nobody."

Why does the Obama Administration focus on the narrow issue of so-called assault weapons (Military Weapons are Full Auto mode capable and have been illegal to OWN in the USA since 1934 and the Al Capone Chicago Tommy Gun gangster wars.) ...rather than the real common denominator here which is Radical Islamic Terrorism and Illegal Mexican Narco-Terrorists drugs gangs operating freely in more than 300+ Cities in the USA getting kids across Urban, Suburban and Rural America hooked on highly addictive and deadly drugs as part of the La Raza reconquest of the Southwest USA States by unrestricted immigration, and bankrupting welfare programs with massive anchor baby birthrates supported by Obama and Clinton Globalist George Soros funded open borders and unlimited immigration policies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 19, 2016, 06:21:16 PM

Obama broke through the 50% barrier. That should make a lot of birthers unhappy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 19, 2016, 06:28:27 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 19, 2016, 12:24:59 PM

Why does the Obama Administration focus on the narrow issue of so-called assault weapons (Military Weapons are Full Auto mode capable and have been illegal to OWN in the USA since 1934 and the Al Capone Chicago Tommy Gun gangster wars.)

Cuffy you know as well as I do that the AR-15 is the exact copy of the M-16 except it is a semi-automatic weapon. Obviously this weapon was developed for military use and not "deer hunting". Same thing goes for the AKM.

I am starting to believe that some kind of restriction on the purchase and ownership of these military style weapons is needed. Public safety trumps constitution right of shooting enjoyment for the same reason you can't falsely yell "fire" in a crowded movie theatre.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 19, 2016, 07:36:54 PM

The 2nd Amendment wasn't written for deer hunting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on June 19, 2016, 08:39:00 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 19, 2016, 06:28:27 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 19, 2016, 12:24:59 PM
Why does the Obama Administration focus on the narrow issue of so-called assault weapons (Military Weapons are Full Auto mode capable and have been illegal to OWN in the USA since 1934 and the Al Capone Chicago Tommy Gun gangster wars.)

Cuffy you know as well as I do that the AR-15 is the exact copy of the M-16 except it is a semi-automatic weapon. Obviously this weapon was developed for military use and not "deer hunting". Same thing goes for the AKM.

I am starting to believe that some kind of restriction on the purchase and ownership of these military style weapons is needed. Public safety trumps constitution right of shooting enjoyment for the same reason you can't falsely yell "fire" in a crowded movie theatre.

If you are talking about the Orlando Muslim shooter - he didn't use an AR15. He used a Sig Sauer MCX, which is a system rifle that can fire different calibers and have different configurations.

As a practical matter, none of these shooters used a rate of fire that was so high that a bolt-action rifle would have changed the outcome.

Finally, deer hunting is not why the 2nd Amendment was written. And the totalitarian thugs in power know it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 20, 2016, 05:59:04 AM

Here's a bloke who should know better, who I am sure could know better, yet he allowed himself to be badly shown up by Putin at the SPIEF the other day.

When I saw this embarrassment, one which Putin handled like a true gent, I wondered this: If one of the US' foremost commentators and 'analysts' can be so misled and wrong about public matters of fact how on earth can we, over here in civilisation, be critical of the poor USAians who, Unlike Fareed, don't have the best of access to knowledge, ongoing education, expertise and - obviously - primary sources of information that such an elite member of the US thought leadership team has?

So, my apologies to all USAians who, to us over here in civilisation, appear to be hugely uneducated, uninformed and unthinking about the presidential elections and much else that goes on in, and around, the Land Of The Free. I now understand, it isn't your fault.

Maybe it is time for you lot to rise up against your oppressors (or at least lumber out of your sofas and away from the idiot box on the wall.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 20, 2016, 09:31:35 AM

Quote from: TomT on June 19, 2016, 06:21:16 PM

Obama broke through the 50% barrier. That should make a lot of birthers unhappy.

Why - is the Lord high Obamunist dictator issuing an executive order suspending term limits and running for a 3rd and 4th term himself - or just suspending elections altogether?

Because the Clinton White House secret service agents book Crisis of Character is about to be released before the DEMs convention, the Clinton Cash movie is about to be released and Julian Assange just uploaded a multi-gigabyte encrypted safety file reported to be over 80 gigs of all of her emails and assorted docs that will expose all of her criminal activities promoting the Clinton Foundation fund raising schemes while she was active Secretary of State... the Encryption key is released if anything happens to Wikileaks. So 8 Years of Obamunism have turned the USA into a banana republic rivaling the BRICS in blatant levels of corruption.

It's not the birthers Hideous Heartless Hillary loving liberals have to worry about it is the TRUTHERS coming out of the wood work now in droves... Lets see how much longer the Obamunists can hold off FBI criminal proceedings against Hillary now no matter how much the NWO Globalist elites want her to be coronated first Female POTUS.

This particular woman is malignantly evil and corrupt and not emotionally stable to be allowed any where near the countries nuclear arsenal. Crazy corrupt crooked cokehead Hillary highly likely to launch WWIII against Russia and significantly reduce world populations due to a nuclear winter while her Bilderberger Globalist masters and the business and political elites weather the nuclear storm in their special spacious bunkers and bring a special Biological New World Order about that only they control as they are concerned that the World has become over populated to a level not now sustainable.

Truth - you can't handle the REAL TRUTH...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 20, 2016, 09:49:18 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 20, 2016, 09:31:35 AM

Quote from: TomT on June 19, 2016, 06:21:16 PM
Obama broke through the 50% barrier. That should make a lot of birthers unhappy.

Why - is the Lord high Obamunist dictator issuing an executive order suspending term limits and running for a 3rd and 4th term himself - or just suspending elections altogether?

Because the Clinton White House secret service agents book Crisis of Character is about to be released before the DEMs convention, the Clinton Cash movie is about to be released and Julian Assange just uploaded a multi-gigabyte encrypted safety file reported to be over 80 gigs of all of her emails and assorted docs that will expose all of her criminal activities promoting the Clinton Foundation fund raising schemes while she was active Secretary of State... the Encryption key is released if anything happens to Wikileaks. So 8 Years of Obamunism have turned the USA into a banana republic rivaling the BRICS in blatant levels of corruption.

It's not the birthers Hideous Heartless Hillary loving liberals have to worry about it is the TRUTHERS coming out of the wood work now in droves... Lets see how much longer the Obamunists can hold off FBI criminal proceedings against Hillary now no matter how much the NWO Globalist elites want her to be coronated first Female POTUS.

This particular woman is malignantly evil and corrupt and not emotionally stable to be allowed any where near the countries nuclear arsenal. Crazy corrupt crooked cokehead Hillary highly likely to launch WWIII against Russia and significantly reduce world populations due to a nuclear winter while her Bilderberger Globalist masters and the business and political elites weather the nuclear storm in their special spacious bunkers and bring a special Biological New World Order about that only they control as they are concerned that the World has become over populated to a level not now sustainable.

Truth - you can't handle the REAL TRUTH...

Lot of truth in there but some that stuff would be hard for people to accept especially where all this is going. It does seems the Dems are putting their plan to "fundamentally transform the United States of America" into high gear. I just don't see how their pushing the TTP trade plan fits in with creating nuclear winter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 20, 2016, 09:58:37 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 20, 2016, 05:59:04 AM

Here's a bloke who should know better, who I am sure could know better, yet he allowed himself to be badly shown up by Putin at the SPIEF the other day.

When I saw this embarrassment, one which Putin handled like a true gent, I wondered this: If one of the US' foremost commentators and 'analysts' can be so misled and wrong about public matters of fact how on earth can we, over here in civilisation, be critical of the poor USAians who, Unlike Fareed, don't have the best of access to knowledge, ongoing education, expertise and - obviously - primary sources of information that such an elite member of the US thought leadership team has?

So, my apologies to all USAians who, to us over here in civilisation, appear to be hugely uneducated, uninformed and unthinking about the presidential elections and much else that goes on in, and around, the Land Of The Free. I now understand, it isn't your fault.

Maybe it is time for you lot to rise up against your oppressors (or at least lumber out of your sofas and away from the idiot box on the wall.)

Thank you Andrew. Sorta like the gift of a back handed compliment. These 'analysts' and commentators we have all are part of the big lie. You have the same across the sea too. What is encouraging is more and more people are waking up and seeing things that at one time they would never consider. I think that might be true of you too Andrew.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 20, 2016, 10:16:12 AM

Quote from: Maxx on June 20, 2016, 09:49:18 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 20, 2016, 09:31:35 AM
Quote from: TomT on June 19, 2016, 06:21:16 PM
Obama broke through the 50% barrier. That should make a lot of birthers unhappy.

Why - is the Lord high Obamunist dictator issuing an executive order suspending term limits and running for a 3rd and 4th term himself - or just suspending elections altogether?

Because the Clinton White House secret service agents book Crisis of Character is about to be released before the DEMs convention, the Clinton Cash movie is about to be released and Julian Assange just uploaded a multi-gigabyte encrypted safety file reported to be over 80 gigs of all of her emails and assorted docs that will expose all of her criminal activities promoting the Clinton Foundation fund raising schemes while she was active Secretary of State... the Encryption key is released if anything happens to Wikileaks. So 8 Years of Obamunism have turned the USA into a banana republic rivaling the BRICS in blatant levels of corruption.

It's not the birthers Hideous Heartless Hillary loving liberals have to worry about it is the TRUTHERS coming out of the wood work now in droves... Lets see how much longer the Obamunists can hold off FBI criminal proceedings against Hillary now no matter how much the NWO Globalist elites want her to be coronated first Female POTUS.

This particular woman is malignantly evil and corrupt and not emotionally stable to be allowed any where near the countries nuclear arsenal. Crazy corrupt crooked cokehead Hillary highly likely to launch WWIII against Russia and significantly reduce world populations due to a nuclear winter while her Bilderberger Globalist masters and the business and political elites weather the nuclear storm in their special spacious bunkers and bring a special Biological New World Order about that only they control as they are concerned that the World has become over populated to a level not now sustainable.

Truth - you can't handle the REAL TRUTH...

Lot of truth in there but some that stuff would be hard for people to accept especially where all this is going. It does seems the Dems are putting their plan to "fundamentally transform the United States of America" into high gear. I just don't see how their pushing the TTP trade plan fits in with creating nuclear winter.

The pending Crisis of Character book highlights how Hillary Clinton is known to go off into fits of Rage - smashing Bill then POTUS with vases and giving him serious black eyes - she had the entire staff and cabinet terrified - she is crazier than Lincoln's wife who was in fact mentally ill...

So the liberal media is about to push for the election of a mentally and physically ill woman with rage control issues and give her access to the nuclear football - where in a fit of rage she launches WWIII - the Russians and Chinese may decide a preemptive strike is their only real option - elect HRC and get one long lasting Nuclear Winter - well the silver lining is no more global warming.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 20, 2016, 10:35:09 AM

More ammunition against the Corrupt Criminal Crazy Clintons:

Rights groups silent as Clinton Foundation takes millions from countries that imprison gays
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/17/rights-groups-silent-as-clinton-foundation-takes-millions-from-countries-that-imprison-gays.html?intcmp=hpbt1

Islam Pass: Feminists And World Leaders Silent As ISIS Burns Alive Child Sex Slaves
http://www.returnofkings.com/88634/islam-pass-feminists-and-world-leaders-silent-as-isis-burns-alive-child-sex-slaves

This is worse babarism than Orlando in my opinion. Putting a bunch of young girls in a Bear Cage and lighting them afire - the ISIS members and their radical Islamic terror supporters genetic code needs to be expunged from the planet.

Something to be said about Hillary's accidental nuclear winter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 20, 2016, 10:46:50 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 20, 2016, 10:16:12 AM

The pending Crisis of Character book highlights how Hillary Clinton is known to go off into fits of Rage - smashing Bill then POTUS with vases and giving him serious black eyes - she had the entire staff and cabinet terrified - she is crazier than Lincoln's wife who was in fact mentally ill...

So the liberal media is about to push for the election of a mentally and physically ill woman with rage control issues and give her access to the nuclear football - where in a fit of rage she launches WWIII - the Russians and Chinese may decide a preemptive strike is their only real option - elect HRC and get one long lasting Nuclear Winter - well the silver lining is no more global warming.

I've been hearing about her explosive temper for years. How when new staff members to the White House were counseled on how to act around her they were told to never look her in the eye and never never speak to her unless she spoke to them first. Then there is her enemies list. I expect there will be a lot heads rolling and misery left in her wake. The sad thing is she gets away with it. Remember Travelgate? That poor guy had his life ruined because Bill and Hillary wanted his job for a friend of theirs. Even the media like Sam Donaldson spoke out on behalf of the man at his trial which he won by the way. Yet the liberal media still stayed loyal to the Clintons even thought they clearly seen how ruthless these people are.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 20, 2016, 02:03:59 PM

Maxx, when I started reading stuff that ran counter to matters that I had been personally researching while at university in the early part of the new century then I came to realise that some people were not being told the truth about matters of 'fact'.

The differential between what actually happens and what people are told is not getting any less. The frequency with which othersidean commentators and talking heads hit issues of cognitive dissonance, in public, is growing and that's a direct consequence of their programming running counter to reality. Fareed's little embarrassment and his later attempt at cover-up and justification is just the latest in the series.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 20, 2016, 02:31:35 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 20, 2016, 02:03:59 PM

Maxx, when I started reading stuff that ran counter to matters that I had been personally researching while at university in the early part of the new century then I came to realise that some people were not being told the truth about matters of 'fact'.

The differential between what actually happens and what people are told is not getting any less. The frequency with which othersidean commentators and talking heads hit issues of cognitive dissonance, in public, is growing and that's a direct consequence of their programming running counter to reality. Fareed's little embarrassment and his later attempt at cover-up and justification is just the latest in the series.

I was referring more to what people used to call "conspiracy theory" that was once rejected outright and now accepted as fact by rather solid people. 8 years ago I was practically ran off the board for suggesting there is a man behind the curtain pulling levers. It seems everyone is now moving in my direction except Shakespear, he still believes in the system!

I know a lot about cognitive dissonance. When I was deprograming myself out of Jehovah's Witnesses I read a book about it called 'Combatting Cult Mind Control' by Steven Hassan. https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://t2.gstatic.com/images%3Fq%3Dtbn:ANd9GcRvrpZ5znDMyJUSF58x6AoBA9VWiMAF02uL6bXGfUgf4REhqDr_&imgrefurl=http://books.google.com/books/about/Combatting_Cult_Mind_Control.html%3Fid%3DHWTsyA_42UYC%26source%3Dkp_cover&h=1000&w=658&tbnid=3v9MDiXfqFgedM:&tbnh=160&tbnw=105&docid=YhfQBrQ3Ep0VuM&itg=1&client=safari&usg=__JLKr4sa6uPGOIBsLH_9PjMQAgr4=

It goes into depth about cognitive dissonance and how even extremely intelligent people can be held captive by it. How when their cherished beliefs are challenged they can get silly, illogical and unable to process the simplest of ideas.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 20, 2016, 03:05:44 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 20, 2016, 09:31:35 AM

Why - is the Lord high Obamunist dictator issuing an executive order suspending term limits and running for a 3rd and 4th term himself - or just suspending elections altogether?

Lots of wack-jobs have posted this on facebook so it must be true.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 20, 2016, 03:06:59 PM

Less than a month until the Convention in Cleveland and here is the record of House Endorsements:

247 Republican members of the House of Representatives

11 Endorsements (4.45%)

None from swing states Florida (17), Ohio (12) Virginia (8) New Hampshire (1) Colorado (4) New Mexico (1) Iowa (3) Wisconsin (5)

Two from Pennsylvania (13)

One from North Carolina (10)

Why his campaign is doomed before it even starts.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 20, 2016, 04:07:13 PM

This is a huge mistake on Trumps part. This also shows how ignorant Trump has become in letting his Ego take over.
The reason why Trump has fallen behind is his inability to think before he speaks. Doesn't matter who Trump hires for a campaign manager, until he starts acting like a commander and chief, he will continue to head south.

Donald Trump Fires Corey Lewandowski, His Campaign Manager

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/politics/corey-lewandowski-donald-trump.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 20, 2016, 04:09:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 20, 2016, 03:06:59 PM

Less than a month until the Convention in Cleveland and here is the record of House Endorsements:

247 Republican members of the House of Representatives

11 Endorsements (4.45%)

None from swing states Florida (17), Ohio (12) Virginia (8) New Hampshire (1) Colorado (4) New Mexico (1) Iowa (3) Wisconsin (5)

Two from Pennsylvania (13)

One from North Carolina (10)

Why his campaign is doomed before it even starts.

Spineless Romney Ryan jellyfish suckups will have to stand up and be counted at the GOP convention or lose any remaining threads of power and influence they might cling to after the Trump inauguration.

Will be interesting how and when this economic credit grenade goes off as well:

The Fed’s “Doomsday Device” Is About to Explode
BY BILL BONNER, CHAIRMAN, BONNER & PARTNERS - BALTIMORE

Another down day for the Dow on Friday left it in the red for the week.

Barron’s, in a lather, says it is facing the “Two Horsemen of the Apocalypse.”

Huh?

Supposedly, the so-called Brexit – the vote in Britain this Thursday on whether to leave or remain in the European Union (EU) – and uncertainty over where the Fed will take U.S. interest rates are cutting down stocks faster than a Z-turn mower.

Doomsday Device

But Brexit is a side show.

As our contacts in London explained in last week’s issue of Bonner & Partners Inner Circle, Britain will do just fine outside of the EU. It will even thrive. [Inner Circle members can catch up here.]

As for the Fed’s fumbling, it is a consequence, not a cause, of falling stock prices.

The real threat to this market is more basic… more dangerous… and completely unavoidable. It is a “doomsday device” – hidden in plain view – in the feds’ fiat money system.

It took us a long time to understand how this works. For many years, we referred to the Fed’s EZ money policies as “printing money.” Finally, we realized that this metaphoric description of the Fed’s role probably hides more than it reveals.

The Fed is not printing money. If it were printing money, we’d have more money around… and higher consumer prices.

Instead, when the feds went to a “paper” money system in 1971, they did it very cleverly.

Yes, their new system is totally fraudulent and absolutely ruinous – just like an old fashioned money-printing scheme. But the fraud takes much longer to uncover… and the ruin is only obvious at the end.

It is a “bezzle”… where you only become aware that you’ve been had when it blows up.

Unlimited Credit

Here’s the deal…

Instead of printing money itself, the Fed allows banks to create an almost unlimited amount of credit (providing they meet certain capital requirements).

Contrary to popular belief, banks don’t act as “warehouses” – taking in deposits and then lending them out again. Instead, banks create new deposits (aka money) when they make a loan.

All it takes is a few strokes on a keyboard, and account balances – along with the money supply – go up.

At first, this new credit-money acts much like printing-press money: It gives people money to spend that nobody ever earned. Everybody is happy.

But if you keep on creating more and more paper money, the fraud is soon obvious. Prices rise. People realize that they have no more purchasing power than they had before.

In the meantime, businesses and consumers have all made bad decisions, based on the apparent increase in “demand.”

After a while, all those mistakes have to be flushed out… in a recession or a depression.

Problem Postponed

By setting up this credit-money system, on the other hand, the feds avoided that problem… or at least, postponed it.

Between 1980 and 2016, for example, Americans spent $32 trillion in net, excess credit. That’s credit (and debt) above and beyond the historic relationship between GDP and debt.

That, too, would have increased consumer prices dramatically, but the Japanese… and then the Chinese… were busily making things much more cheaply.

This offset consumer price increases. And more important, much of the increase in credit-money went directly into Wall Street, instead of the Main Street, economy.

In a credit-money system, the sectors of the economy that are most creditworthy get most of the new money.

Who’s most creditworthy?

The rich. Big business. Government.

Prices soared, all right. But they were the kinds of prices people wanted to go up. Houses… businesses… commercial real estate… collectibles – talk about inflation; these things went through the roof.

Everything that can be financialized – priced and traded – became incredibly expensive. But the price of labor went nowhere.

The Rich Get Richer

Almost unbelievably, according to the Pew Research Center, today’s average hourly wage has roughly the same buying power as it did in 1973 – more than 40 years ago.

The system hasn’t done much for the common man, but it has helped the rich get richer. And now we know that the Deep State controls the U.S. government (and indirectly, the Fed and the financial system). So nobody really cares about the voters anyway.

What a system!

The banks are allowed to create money. They lend it to consumers until the household sector can’t take anymore. (This is what happened in 2008). Then they lend to corporations and the government.

One by one, each sector takes on too much debt and ceases to be creditworthy. Finally, only government can borrow… because it is the only sector that can print money!

We’re approaching that already in Japan, where the central bank buys about 100% of new Japanese government debt issuance.

Recession Warning

If the feds had handed out paper money, prices would have gone up. But even in a recession, or a debt deflation, the cash would still be there. Printing-press money raises prices, permanently.

But a credit-money system is very different. Every new dollar that comes into the system is also another dollar of debt.

Now, American consumers, businesses, and government all drag behind them about $60 trillion in debt. It slows them down. It depresses economic growth. And most important, it is subject to the credit cycle… and to the “doomsday device” built into system.

A recession is coming in the U.S.

If it hasn’t already begun, it will probably set in within six months. When that happens, stock prices will fall.

This will have a similar effect as the 2008 crisis… when houses plunged. Ultimately, a company’s earnings potential and stock market equity provide the collateral for its debt. When the stock market falls, lenders disappear.

Then, the debt market tightens and the doomsday device explodes.

Debt is just the flip side of credit. As debt goes bad, credit disappears. And then the system that created so much credit-money will go into reverse, destroying the nation’s money supply.

The money supply (actually, the supply of ready credit) will shrink – suddenly and dramatically. And what should have been a minor, routine pullback in the economy will become a catastrophic panic.

Don’t go away!

Regards,
Signature
Bill

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 20, 2016, 04:21:57 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 20, 2016, 04:07:13 PM

This is a huge mistake on Trumps part. This also shows how ignorant Trump has become in letting his Ego take over.
The reason why Trump has fallen behind is his inability to think before he speaks. Doesn't matter who Trump hires for a campaign manager, until he starts acting like a commander and chief, he will continue to head south.

Donald Trump Fires Corey Lewandowski, His Campaign Manager

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/21/us/politics/corey-lewandowski-donald-trump.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Trump made a tough executive decision and the correct one.

Source: Trump adviser's ultimatum prompted move to oust Lewandowski

Donald Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski’s abrupt firing Monday came down to a battle of ultimatums.

And ultimately, Lewandowski lost.

Paul Manafort, the veteran operative who since March has been amassing influence inside Trump HQ, recently telegraphed through third parties he would be gone in 48 hours if Trump didn’t oust Lewandowski, who'd run his campaign from the outset. Manafort was fed up with battling Lewandowski and let the campaign know the two of them "just couldn't get along."

From there, it became a family affair. Trump’s daughter Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner didn’t want to lose Manafort, believing him to be the more experienced hand to guide the campaign into the general election.

They convinced Trump to keep him – and the only way to do that, given Manafort’s terms, was to dump Lewandowski.

Faced with a choice, Trump chose Manafort.

A person close to Trump told the AP that Lewandowski was forced out largely because of his poor relationship with the Republican National Committee and GOP officials.

Clinton and her Democratic allies have invested at least $41 million in commercials in crucial states such as Ohio, Florida and Nevada over the next six weeks. Those messages will be echoed by hundreds of Clinton workers in those same states and amplified by President Obama and other top Democrats.

Vice President Biden was also delivering an anti-Trump speech Monday.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 20, 2016, 05:57:02 PM

‘IF IT’S HILLARY CLINTON IT’S WAR,’ SAYS VLADIMIR PUTIN TO FRIGHTENED RUSSIAN PEOPLE

http://www.inquisitr.com/3225440/hillary-clinton-means-war-says-vladimir-putin-to-frightened-russian-people-american-militarism-has-a-female-face/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 20, 2016, 06:06:37 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 20, 2016, 04:09:09 PM

Spineless Romney Ryan jellyfish suckups will have to stand up and be counted at the GOP convention or lose any remaining threads of power and influence they might cling to after the Trump inauguration.

Wrong!

Trump needs to do something to unify the Republican Party behind him instead of insisting they OWE him support because he won 38% of the vote in the primaries.

He can start by apologizing to the 16 presidential candidates he defeated in the primary for insulting them.

For Trump to continue with the arrogant attitude and unscripted comments will result in the biggest Republican Presidential loss since Alf Landon in 1936!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 20, 2016, 06:11:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 20, 2016, 06:06:37 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 20, 2016, 04:09:09 PM
Spineless Romney Ryan jellyfish suckups will have to stand up and be counted at the GOP convention or lose any remaining threads of power and influence they might cling to after the Trump inauguration.

Wrong!

Trump needs to do something to unify the Republican Party behind him instead of insisting they OWE him support because he won 38% of the vote in the primaries.

He can start by apologizing to the 16 presidential candidates he defeated in the primary for insulting them.

For Trump to continue with the arrogant attitude and unscripted comments will result in the biggest Republican Presidential loss since Alf Landon in 1936!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 21, 2016, 06:51:11 AM

Looking back, one longs for the days when the sphincter's biggest problem was boasting about his penis. The most scary thing, though, are the millions of voters who actually look UP to this sorry excuse for a man. Perhaps they think that, if he is elected, they will get the double-wide of their dreams. I dunno... I just can't fathom the mentality.

On the brighter side, there is one fewer sphincter in his campaign team. It's better late than never, I suppose.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 21, 2016, 09:39:38 AM

10% of his campaign expenditures going directly back to his companies?

What a slimebucket . . . . . . .

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-campaign-cycles-6-million-trump-companies-080734925--finance.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 21, 2016, 12:07:27 PM

Trump holds press conferences at his own private Golf Clubs where they can control access and security and the catering with Trump helo and Jet transport used primarily for visiting whales to his Casinos and golf clubs... etc etc... You do not support your own businesses?

Shakes now you are just being a nitpicker and pro-globalist - why not just vote for Hillary - you know you want to. Might as well trade in your USA passport for one in Moscow as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 21, 2016, 12:14:16 PM

Loony moonbat anarchist from Bloody Blighty decides to take a session of shooting 20 rounds with a Glock 9mm at a Las Vegas shooting range and then decides to use two hands to try and steal a Nevada Sheriffs side arm and assassinate Mr. Trump... bloody brilliant NOT.

Regarding the attempted BREXIT STAY assassination of Mr. Trump:

Breitbart: Guess what? Sandford was in the U.S illegally

Deport the illegals!

Quote:
A complaint filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Nevada charges Sandford, 20, with an act of violence on restricted grounds. He was denied bail during a court appearance later in the day. His court-appointed attorney said he was living out of his car and in the country illegally after overstaying a visa.

Dude has mental issues:

Quote:
Federal Magistrate Judge George Foley said in court Monday that Sandford was a potential danger to the community and a flight risk. Sandford wore leg irons and appeared to tremble during the hearing.

Heather Fraley, his assigned public defender, said Sandford appeared to be competent. She said he hadn’t been diagnosed with a mental illness but that he has autism and previously attempted suicide. He doesn’t have a job.

Sanford’s mother told court researchers that he was treated for obsessive compulsive disorder and anorexia when he was younger, and that he once ran away from a hospital in England, according to the public defender.

...

Since Sanford has mental issues we should probably turn him over to your vaunted NHS for care - as much as Obama hates Churchill and Britain for colonizing his patriarchal homeland of Kenya - even he does not want the optics of imprisoning and torturing a white mentally ill Brit for testing Obamas secret service teams assigned to Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on June 21, 2016, 12:20:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 21, 2016, 09:39:38 AM

10% of his campaign expenditures going directly back to his companies?

What a slimebucket . . . . . . .

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trumps-campaign-cycles-6-million-trump-companies-080734925--finance.html

The smart and fair thing would have been to buy and rent all his needs from Shakespear.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on June 21, 2016, 12:43:53 PM

Quote from: TomT on June 21, 2016, 06:51:11 AM

Looking back, one longs for the days when the sphincter's biggest problem was boasting about his penis. The most scary thing, though, are the millions of voters who actually look UP to this sorry excuse for a man. Perhaps they think that, if he is elected, they will get the double-wide of their dreams. I dunno... I just can't fathom the mentality.

I'd settle for a vintage Airstream and a 1978 F250... I'm a hipster redneck.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 21, 2016, 12:57:21 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 21, 2016, 12:07:27 PM

Trump holds press conferences at his own private Golf Clubs where they can control access and security and the catering with Trump helo and Jet transport used primarily for visiting whales to his Casinos and golf clubs... etc etc... You do not support your own businesses?

Shakes now you are just being a nitpicker and pro-globalist - why not just vote for Hillary - you know you want to. Might as well trade in your USA passport for one in Moscow as well.

When you run for public office you have a responsibility to avoid the appearance of impropriety. All other Presidential candidates with significant assets have carefully avoided their campaigns doing business with businesses or entities with which they had a beneficial financial interest. Steve Forbes is an good example.

Trump only cares about himself and his family.

That is why Hillary is going to wax him by 10+ points in November.

Thanks Trumpsters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 21, 2016, 01:20:24 PM

In fact, we should stop referring to it as the Trump campaign.

It should now be called "the Trump scampaign"

Thanks Trumpsters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on June 21, 2016, 04:05:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 21, 2016, 01:20:24 PM

In fact, we should stop referring to it as the Trump campaign.

It should now be called "the Trump scampaign"

Thanks Trumpsters.

Did he break any laws?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 22, 2016, 12:34:53 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 21, 2016, 12:57:21 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 21, 2016, 12:07:27 PM
Trump holds press conferences at his own private Golf Clubs where they can control access and security and the catering with Trump helo and Jet transport used primarily for visiting whales to his Casinos and golf clubs... etc etc... You do not support your own businesses?

Shakes now you are just being a nitpicker and pro-globalist - why not just vote for Hillary - you know you want to. Might as well trade in your USA passport for one in Moscow as well.

When you run for public office you have a responsibility to avoid the appearance of impropriety. All other Presidential candidates with significant assets have carefully avoided their campaigns doing business with businesses or entities with which they had a beneficial financial interest. Steve Forbes is an good example.

Trump only cares about himself and his family.

That is why Hillary is going to wax him by 10+ points in November.

Thanks Trumpsters.

Hmmmmm. Hillary Clinton takes 25 Million from the Saudi's. Assists Russia to corner the market on Nuclear materials. The list is extensive. And you have the nerve to write what you just wrote? :dh: :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 22, 2016, 12:39:13 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 21, 2016, 01:20:24 PM

In fact, we should stop referring to it as the Trump campaign.

It should now be called "the Trump scampaign"

Thanks Trumpsters.

A vote withheld from Trump is a vote for Hillary.

Thanks "never Trump" traitors.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 22, 2016, 12:43:29 AM

Charlie Sheen says billionaire Donald Trump gifted him fake diamond cufflinks

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/21/charlie-sheen-says-billionaire-donald-trump-gifted-him-fake-diamond-cufflinks-5957185/#ixzz4CHuPFzhb

I watched the Graham Norton show...he said Trump presented him 'Platinum Cufflinks' - engraved with a D and when tested for value - were Pewter and fake diamonds..

''It says he’s either been duped or he’s cheap… neither qualities you’d want in a president, really.''

Now Sheen has not been an 'angel', but I think he nailed it ...ugghhh

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on June 22, 2016, 03:42:39 AM

My 2 american friends on facebook:

1) I would vote a horses ass before I would vote for Hillary Clinton
2) Unfortunately, a horses ass is all we have.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 22, 2016, 04:41:50 AM

Where's the impropriety, or even the appearance of it.

Put it this way Shakespear, if Trump were to use your house for a meeting, at a cost, and then he chose to not pay you, that'd be fraud and/or theft, right?
You'd complain bitterly, you'd sue him (or more accurately his campaign) for the debt.

So, when he uses facilities run by businesses, don't you think they should be paid for those services that they render?

Wouldn't you think it odd that he did not pay?

Worse yet, if he did not pay for facilities, if those facilities chose to comp him, wouldn't you (and other people with wet ankles) be certain to criticise him for getting unfair and possibly illegal benefits to his campaign?

I think that you and others (who should and almost certainly DO know better) are choosing to portray Trump as the sole proprietor of a series of businesses that, in truth (a truth that you and others already know) are independent legal entities, some of which licence the Trump name and some in which Trump may have a shareholding. All of those businesses are entitled to be paid for the services rendered to the Trump campaign, all of them connected in only one way - they carry the Trump name.

Time for a little honesty here, methinks!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 22, 2016, 09:58:37 AM

Clinton Foundation "Hacked By Russians"

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/clinton-foundation-hacked-russians-foundation-vulnerabilities-document-leaked/ri15120

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 22, 2016, 01:14:09 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 22, 2016, 04:41:50 AM

Where's the impropriety, or even the appearance of it.

The impropriety is that Trump is personally making money off every little guy who is sending him $25 because that voter believes Trump is going to deliver on campaign promises; which if elected he will have no power to keep.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on June 22, 2016, 03:16:55 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/transcript-trump-speech-on-the-stakes-of-the-election-224654#ixzz4CKsr9eVT

The full text of Trumps now famous speech.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 23, 2016, 06:38:14 AM

Ah, Shakespear, so the story now changes a little. ;)

Moby MKII!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on June 23, 2016, 06:50:13 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 22, 2016, 01:14:09 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 22, 2016, 04:41:50 AM
Where's the impropriety, or even the appearance of it.

The impropriety is that Trump is personally making money off every little guy who is sending him $25 because that voter believes Trump is going to deliver on campaign promises; which if elected he will have no power to keep.

This is a GOP wet dream to do this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 23, 2016, 07:09:23 AM

Shakespear, do you HONESTLY believe that Trump is choosing to use facilities in which he is a shareholder or licensor in the hope of personally making money from his use of those properties?

You are surely not so poor and 'low information' as to really think that doing so would make any difference to him.

If he owned a newspaper or TV station would you suggest that those outlets could not carry his campaign ads?

You are changing the framing of the 'issue' to suit the argument and you know it. You now understand that he has done nothing wrong but are unwilling to admit to that.
You don't have to like the guy, you don't have to want the guy to win the election, but you don't need to mislead yourself about it! (I doubt that anyone else here has been misled by this silliness)

So, pull on your big boy pants, use your Masters in Business Administration learning, and tell us, just how SHOULD Trump deal with is logistic and meeting needs in cases where businesses that, in some cases carry his name, or in which he is a shareholder offer the best solutions to his needs?
Should he NOT pay them, would that be honest?
Should he choose to use sub-optimal services?
Can you suggest cases where, given all that you know about logistics and event management for presidential election campaigns, that he has obviously chosen a supplier that bears his name, or in which he has a shareholding, the service he received could have been bettered at same or lower cost by another provider?

Shakespear, you can do better than this, you can think. Give it a whirl.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 23, 2016, 08:04:02 PM

Trumpers swoon at their hero's every word but they can't fact-check their way out of a paper bag. Apparently, his supporters don't attach much value to intelligence, knowledge, honesty or mental health.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/nobody-brings-the-crazy-quite-like-trump/2016/06/22/74ba5692-38bd-11e6-9ccd-d6005beac8b3_story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on June 23, 2016, 09:56:03 PM

Quote from: TomT on June 23, 2016, 08:04:02 PM

Trumpers swoon at their hero's every word but they can't fact-check their way out of a paper bag. Apparently, his supporters don't attach much value to intelligence, knowledge, honesty or mental health.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/nobody-brings-the-crazy-quite-like-trump/2016/06/22/74ba5692-38bd-11e6-9ccd-d6005beac8b3_story.html

Yup, they are all dumbos and you are the one gifted with knowledge about the future. You're a modern-day Cassandra!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on June 24, 2016, 01:23:27 AM

Quote from: TomT on June 23, 2016, 08:04:02 PM

Trumpers swoon at their hero's every word but they can't fact-check their way out of a paper bag. Apparently, his supporters don't attach much value to intelligence, knowledge, honesty or mental health.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/nobody-brings-the-crazy-quite-like-trump/2016/06/22/74ba5692-38bd-11e6-9ccd-d6005beac8b3_story.html

So, would you vote for Clinton to deny Trump the presidency? It seems you have that choice only, other than to not-vote-at-all.

I still don't get why you get to choose only 2 names, every next election the candidates are more horrendous than before. Bill Clinton was one of the last POTUS that had at least my respect, despite disagreeing with half of his policies.

How often did I not hear the words "I chose the lesser of 2 evils" spoken by american voters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on June 24, 2016, 02:10:42 AM

Over 400 people did all the required paperwork for the presidential election this year. Only 3 will be known to those who don't know where to look. The unknown guy running for Libertarian party who will probably get Shakeys vote and maybe 8% of the total is the third. All these other people have websites but that is about all. They will get a few votes from family and friends.

We are not so different from Russia in some ways. We long ago marginalized all but the big three party's. They get no news reports or television. Some are pretty nutz. It would be interesting if they actually had a real debate some day and everyone was invited.

Maybe this gives a little more insight into why Trump is popular no matter what he does. The system has always been rigged. Being free yet having no choice is like being locked in a nut house. You trust nobody and will do anything for the guy who will let you out. Trump got publicity at just the right time. This time last year there were over 100 Republicans and 73 Deomorats running for President alone.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 24, 2016, 02:22:42 AM

Quote from: bagalia on June 24, 2016, 02:10:42 AM

We are not so different from Russia in some ways. We long ago marginalized all but the big three party's. They get no news reports or television. Some are pretty nutz. It would be interesting if they actually had a real debate some day and everyone was invited.

Knowing a bit of both Russia and America I am always surprised by the similaraties of the people and countries. Even the politicians are dishonest but some are better at getting away with it.

As for the debate that Bags suggests ~ that show would get high ratings.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 24, 2016, 07:57:19 AM

Quote from: Markje on June 24, 2016, 01:23:27 AM

So, would you vote for Clinton to deny Trump the presidency? It seems you have that choice only, other than to not-vote-at-all.

Third alternative - Gary Johnson the Libertarian candidate. That's my choice until Trump does something to actually EARN my vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 24, 2016, 08:10:29 AM

Quote from: Slumba on June 23, 2016, 09:56:03 PM

Quote from: TomT on June 23, 2016, 08:04:02 PM
Trumpers swoon at their hero's every word but they can't fact-check their way out of a paper bag. Apparently, his supporters don't attach much value to intelligence, knowledge, honesty or mental health.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/nobody-brings-the-crazy-quite-like-trump/2016/06/22/74ba5692-38bd-11e6-9ccd-d6005beac8b3_story.html

Yup, they are all dumbos and you are the one gifted with knowledge about the future. You're a modern-day Cassandra!

The stupid Fokker doesn't even understand times zones for chrissakes!

Incidentally, I didn't call y'all Dumbos. I wrote: "Apparently, his supporters don't attach much value to intelligence, knowledge, honesty or mental health." There are quite a few shades of gray between the two statements. You pride yourself on your ability to discern nuances yet the best that you can muster is a drama-queenish response. Kudos!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 24, 2016, 08:22:18 AM

Quote from: Markje on June 24, 2016, 01:23:27 AM

So, would you vote for Clinton to deny Trump the presidency? It seems you have that choice only, other than to not-vote-at-all.

I still don't get why you get to choose only 2 names, every next election the candidates are more horrendous than before. Bill Clinton was one of the last POTUS that had at least my respect, despite disagreeing with half of his policies.

How often did I not hear the words "I chose the lesser of 2 evils" spoken by american voters.

I don't have a great deal of admiration for Clinton but, at least, she isn't stupid, ignorant and mentally ill. (Three out of four ain't bad.) I believe that she will/would do less damage than Trump.

Yes, we think that we have the worst president ever; then, we elect someone even worse. It's an American tradition.

Many foreigners think that Americans are sphincters and, half of the time, they are correct. If we elect the mother of all sphincters to be president, it will validate that view. Perhaps if more Americans were outspoken about what a miserable piece of shit that man is, it would incrementally raise our esteem in the world.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 24, 2016, 08:56:09 AM

Tom, be honest here. Do you really think that Trump did anything other than read a carelessly written word on a Teleprompter? Do you honestly think that he does not know where Mexico is?

Try to help those who did not see the speech, or read a transcript (whoops, sorry, this us America - nobody would read a transcript.) please Tom, tell us how you disagreed with the point being made. How would you differentiate your ideas on the topic from Trump's?

If you don't disagree with the point then why on earth are you trying to convince people that Trump is wrong, when you know otherwise?

Right now you, and others, are displaying the same 'low information' traits that you accuse Trump supporters of having. Why do you think that playing silly games with a miswritten word is more important than a discussion about the issues because sure as shit, it will be the policies that you will be living with and paying for. A single word that is a good synonym for the word you were expecting is simply not germane to any sensible discussion. To help you here, Tom, hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of US jobs have been exported overseas;do you think that is healthy for the United States? Would you not support moves to bring back some of those jobs from overseas, or at least stop the flow?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 24, 2016, 09:08:39 AM

Listen to the speech, then we'll talk about it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 24, 2016, 09:22:37 AM

Watch the movie "Clinton Cash" and read the new Secret Service Agent book about the Clintons "Crisis of Character" ... the woman is a former coke addict and a raging raving fly off the handle at any moment lunatic - off of her calming meds she is likely to fire off the Nuclear Football just to spite all men in general...

T2 was clearly referring to Hillary Rotten Clinton with this remark:

"Apparently, <her> supporters don't attach much value to intelligence, knowledge, honesty or mental health."

Woman is a pathological legally trained liar and completely psycho.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 24, 2016, 09:50:49 AM

Quote from: TomT on June 24, 2016, 09:08:39 AM

Listen to the speech, then we'll talk about it.

How do you think I know what you were getting confused about. Rather than pretend that you have heard what he was talking about why don't you just let us know that you did not actually hear what he was saying, apart from the use of the word that you are pretending to be so worked up about.

My guess is that you can not respond the points I was making because you don't know any more than the headline with which you were fed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 24, 2016, 11:02:47 AM

Quote from: TomT on June 24, 2016, 08:10:29 AM

Quote from: Slumba on June 23, 2016, 09:56:03 PM
Quote from: TomT on June 23, 2016, 08:04:02 PM
Trumpers swoon at their hero's every word but they can't fact-check their way out of a paper bag. Apparently, his supporters don't attach much value to intelligence, knowledge, honesty or mental health.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/nobody-brings-the-crazy-quite-like-trump/2016/06/22/74ba5692-38bd-11e6-9ccd-d6005beac8b3_story.html

Yup, they are all dumbos and you are the one gifted with knowledge about the future. You're a modern-day Cassandra!

The stupid Fokker doesn't even understand times zones for chrissakes!

Incidentally, I didn't call y'all Dumbos. I wrote: "Apparently, his supporters don't attach much value to intelligence, knowledge, honesty or mental health." There are quite a few shades of gray between the two statements. You pride yourself on your ability to discern nuances yet the best that you can muster is a drama-queenish response. Kudos!

Since you obviously are going to vote for Hillary and you obviously voted for Barrack Hussein Obama, your definition of intelligence is to vote for somebody who supports global trade with China and other nefarious countries whilst American industry withers and dies and your definition of mental health must be to commit cultural suicide such that your children's children risk being murdered either by the growing influx of criminal illegal aliens from Mexico or from the future Sharia zones and radical Islamic terrorists which Clinton will gleefully import with the statement: "what difference does it make" as she cackles her witches laugh.

Those who support an American Nero who would burn our civilization down are in no position to talk about "drama-queenish response" (s).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 24, 2016, 11:21:58 AM

OK :)

FYI: Bagalia posted a link to the full text of the speech upthread.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 24, 2016, 02:21:01 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 24, 2016, 11:02:47 AM

Since you obviously are going to vote for Hillary and you obviously voted for Barrack Hussein Obama, your definition of intelligence is to vote for somebody who [blah, blah, blah]...

You are such a screw-up that you can't even get the president's name right!

I think that your intelligence, knowledge, honesty and mental health exceeds Trump's, though.

Since you mentioned Obama, a few right-leaning polls don't seem to be able to keep him down:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 24, 2016, 07:30:53 PM

Quote from: TomT on June 24, 2016, 08:10:29 AM

The stupid Fokker doesn't even understand times zones for chrissakes!

Fokkers were in fact very good. I do not think they ever had to deal with time zones except aloft. Off course there are some turkeys who most likely never will fly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 25, 2016, 07:18:21 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on June 24, 2016, 07:30:53 PM

Fokkers were in fact very good.

It never occurred to me to call him a “toupéd focktrumpet, witless cocksplat, weasleheaded focknugget, gobshit, eejit” or "bloviaiting flesh bag." The closest that I have ever come is "bloviaiting clown," and that pales compared to what his distant relatives are calling him. I defer to them; they know best about Scottish matters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 25, 2016, 07:38:07 AM

I don't know what RCP is thinking including Georgia, Michigan and New Hampshire amongst the top-up states. (It's a given that Trump will take Georgia and that Clinton will prevail in Michigan and New Hampshire.) Perhaps they are trying to maintain interest by pretending that there will actually be a contest. After all, if the scoreboard showed 231 to 180, even the arithmetic-challenged might notice. It's unlikely that there will be a landslide, though, which is a pity because really, really stupid people need to be beaten half to death to get the point.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 25, 2016, 08:47:07 AM

Quote from: TomT on June 24, 2016, 02:21:01 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 24, 2016, 11:02:47 AM
Since you obviously are going to vote for Hillary and you obviously voted for Barrack Hussein Obama, your definition of intelligence is to vote for somebody who [blah, blah, blah]...

You are such a screw-up that you can't even get the president's name right!

I think that your intelligence, knowledge, honesty and mental health exceeds Trump's, though.

Let's see: I'm a screw-up, because I put an extra r in Barack? Who cares. It's not an American name.

Meanwhile up thread you wrote: "times (sic) zones". I believe "time zones" would be correct. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 25, 2016, 09:01:35 AM

Quote from: TomT on June 25, 2016, 07:18:21 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on June 24, 2016, 07:30:53 PM
Fokkers were in fact very good.

It never occurred to me to call him a “toupéd focktrumpet, witless cocksplat, weasleheaded focknugget, gobshit, eejit” or "bloviaiting flesh bag." The closest that I have ever come is "bloviaiting clown," and that pales compared to what his distant relatives are calling him. I defer to them; they know best about Scottish matters.

From Brietbart:

Firstly, it’s a total rebuke to the normal tactics used by media and cultural elites to crush popular uprisings. They must really be panicking. How could so many people not do what the media and their political leaders told them to do? Could it be that branding voters you don’t like racist, bigoted, or “low-information” simply doesn’t work anymore?

For years, global elites and their allies in the commentariat have tried to brand their opponents as kooks, conspiracy theorists and, failing that, as racists, sexists homophobes and so on. But it’s not working any more. In both the U.S. and Europe, such tactics are now likely to backfire, driving more support to populists.

Trump, of course, is the American version of Brexit. Little wonder that he both predicted a leave vote and, unlike Obama, praised it when it actually happened. Like Trump, every single naysayer spouts doom and gloom about Brexit, but both will be long-term boons for their nations. (Despite all the fearmongering prior to the vote, Obama has now rushed to reaffirm America’s alliance with Britain.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 25, 2016, 01:30:28 PM

I wonder does Trump think there is no need for a VP?

The Trump VP will either sink or cinch the election on this. It will move the Shakey's back in the fold or so alienate them they will write in Putin. So the question might be seen as does Trump do a McCain move with a Palin or a Reagan move with Bush, Sr?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on June 25, 2016, 02:48:16 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on June 25, 2016, 01:30:28 PM

I wonder does Trump think there is no need for a VP?

The Trump VP will either sink or cinch the election on this. It will move the Shakey's back in the fold or so alienate them they will write in Putin. So the question might be seen as does Trump do a McCain move with a Palin or a Reagan move with Bush, Sr?

That is going to be so interesting. Conventional wisdom is to hold off until the vote and see if he needs a certain name to garner more votes. He probably will not need help in that area. Current efforts to thwart a Trump nomination will go nowhere no-matter how the press plays it up.

I think that Trump will choose a VP that is off the grid. An unknown who thinks as he does or has a philosophy he likes. It would be interesting if he surprised us all with his daughter but he needs her to run the company stores. He could also go with a former politician with a great name. But nobody knows Trump so it will just have to be a mystery until the vote.

Shakey will not vote Trump under any circumstances.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 25, 2016, 03:01:37 PM

New Email from Ron Paul and C4L (Campaign for Liberty) outlining his plan to prevent Lame Duck Obama from further destroying the USA [before we can inaugurate a Patriotic America First President].

Campaign for Liberty - Dr. Ron Paul

Dear Cufflinks,

With the months ticking away in President Obama's final term in the Oval Office, the battle cry emerging from the White House right now is "DESTROY YOUR ENEMIES!"

Using every means at their disposal -- from media-generated pressure to their government goons at the IRS -- the Obama administration is preparing to unleash a torrent of Big Government schemes.

Cufflinks, whether it's Campaign for Liberty's ongoing fight with the IRS, the fight over the U.S. Supreme Court -- or the rapidly approaching November elections -- the stakes couldn't be higher for our liberty movement.

But after a mid-year review of Campaign for Liberty's financial situation, I'm afraid I'm facing an enormous problem.

We can't put up much of a fight for the remainder of 2016.

Not without a serious and IMMEDIATE influx of funds. And even then, I am afraid serious choices must be made. But this is OUR Campaign for Liberty, not only mine.

That's why I've written a special Mid-Year Member Ballot for your review.

As Campaign for Liberty President Norm Singleton and I sketch out our final plans for the rest of 2016, I'm counting on you to please tell us where to focus.

But please act right away. I have only until July 1st to make a final decision.

Reclaim the Republic and Restore the Constitution
http://www.chooseliberty.org/memballot-2016.aspx

With so much on our plates it's a decision I don't want to make without hearing from you.

One of my very top concerns right now is the Supreme Court vacancy left with the passing of Justice Antonin Scalia.

While Justice Scalia sometimes failed the liberty movement on issues like privacy, he was an ally on many other core constitutional issues.

Not only that, but he stood as a bulwark against those who would use federal courts to reshape American society.

Now, with his passing, the statists can hardly contain their glee.

Should President Obama succeed in confirming his nominee, Merrick Garland, there could be no saving our remaining constitutional liberties:

*** The Fourth Amendment will be further eroded as government agents stick their nose into more aspects of your "private" life;

*** The Second Amendment could be "interpreted" out of existence;

*** First Amendment protections -- like those that ensure Campaign for Liberty can boldly speak out against BOTH parties' radical Big Government schemes -- could be all but DESTROYED;

*** New EPA regulations, handing government vast new tax and regulatory controls over individual citizens' private property, would be rubber-stamped.

In fact, the left-wing website Daily Kos brags, "We'd affect the fundamental direction of the Court not for a year or two but possibly for a generation."

So if you think STOPPING confirmation of any Justice who would tip the scales in the statists' favor should be Campaign for Liberty's top priority, please mark "OPTION #1: STOP PRESIDENT OBAMA'S SUPREME COURT TAKEOVER!" on your Mid-Year Member Ballot.

But before you do, please consider our ongoing fight with the IRS.

For more than two years now, I've fought the IRS's demands for the names, addresses, and other confidential personal information on select Campaign for Liberty contributors.

With the help of good folks like you, I've stood up to their attempts to cripple Campaign for Liberty with everything from legal threats to $10,000-a-day fines.

I did so for an important reason. They're UNCONSTITUTIONAL and they are flat-out wrong.

Forcing organizations like Campaign for Liberty to publicize donor information would have an incredibly chilling effect on political free speech.

Many liberty-loving Americans would silence themselves for fear of becoming targets of political retribution.

So when Campaign for Liberty's accountants and senior staff prepared our annual financial statements for submission to the IRS as required by law, I instructed our staff to REFUSE to comply with these unconstitutional IRS demands and leave off any identifying donor information.

As a 501©(4) organization, Campaign for Liberty contributor information is supposed to be confidential.

Now, after coming so close to passing Audit the Fed in the U.S. Senate -- and with our continued efforts to INCREASE Senate pressure by passing the bill through the House -- the situation with the IRS is getting more serious by the day.

Their goal is to wipe our liberty movement off the map as a political force this election year by draining us with expensive fines and sky-high court costs.

But not fighting back could allow President Obama's goons to go on a rampage against anyone they've identified as a political enemy.

So if you think standing up to the IRS's demands should be our number-one priority, please mark "OPTION #2: FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE IRS."

But before you do, please consider just how far we've come with Audit the Fed -- and how very close we are to finally EXPOSING the Federal Reserve's corruption and cronyism.

Name virtually anything you HATE about Washington, D.C. today -- from a government that's involved in every aspect of our lives, to boondoggles like ObamaCare, to never-ending military adventurism and you'll find the banksters at the Fed bankrolling it all.

When taxing and borrowing cash aren't enough to make ends meet, the Fed simply prints more money to pay the bills –– enabling a government that's bigger and more intrusive than Americans would ever accept if its cost weren't hidden through inflation.

The good news is, with the results of the presidential race, the establishment in Washington, D.C. is scared stiff.

They've seen the American people rising up against the status quo, and they're scared stiff for their political futures.

That's why, after falling only seven votes shy of passing Audit the Fed in the Senate this January, if you and I can possibly create another tidal wave of momentum, the result could be far different.

As I write you, Campaign for Liberty is working to force Audit the Fed back on the Senate's agenda by passing it through the U.S. House as we've done the last two Congresses.

If we succeed, we could be setting up a fall showdown over Audit the Fed in the Senate -- pushing this issue to the very forefront of the U.S. presidential race.

With nearly 75% of the American people in support of Audit the Fed, any senator who opposes Audit the Fed will do so at their own political peril.

With Donald Trump publicly pledging a Fed audit within the first 100 days of his presidency -- while Hillary Clinton remains silent on Audit the Fed while raking in campaign contributions from Federal Reserve employees, including a Fed Governor -- President Obama may sign Audit the Fed in order to protect Hillary's presidential campaign.

So if you think auditing the Federal Reserve should be Campaign for Liberty's top priority, please mark "OPTION #3: EXPOSE THE FEDERAL RESERVE!"

But don't forget (as if you could) that 2016 is a critical election year as well.

And frankly, the statists in BOTH parties in Washington, D.C. have had enough of our liberty movement.

After all, you and I have seen more than our share of successes.

Whether it's Audit the Fed, sounding the alarm over government spying, derailing the National Internet Sales Tax -- or blocking schemes to impose a National ID -- liberty movement allies are making their impact felt.

Not that long ago, I was the lone voice for constitutional government in Congress.

But today, with leaders like my son Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) and U.S. Reps. Justin Amash (R-MI-3) and Thomas Massie (R-KY-4) charting the path forward, the liberty movement continues to grow.

The bad news is, BOTH parties are gunning for us.

So you and I are going to have to FIGHT back like never before if we want to build the numbers it will take to ultimately restore liberty in America.

That means pulling out all the stops to EXPOSE statists' Big Government records by using every tool at our disposal, including email, social media, U.S. mail, grassroots mobilization, and even Internet and TV ads (if I can raise the resources).

A plan this big is not going to be cheap.

But I can't imagine waving the white flag and allowing the Big Government forces we've fought so hard against to steamroll us!

So if you think preparing for November should be Campaign for Liberty's top priority, please mark "OPTION #4: EXPOSE THE STATISTS IN NOVEMBER!" on your Mid-Year Member Ballot.

As you'll see, there are no easy choices.

Our country is on the brink, and I'm afraid the only way to bring it back is to fight harder than we ever have.

That's why, as you'll see, I've included one more option on your Member Ballot.

That's "OPTION #5: FIGHT EVERYWHERE! DON'T GIVE AN INCH!"

But please recognize how serious this is.

Without a massive influx of funds, I simply won't be able to even run a full program on any one of these critical battles through the rest of the year -– let alone all of them!

Fighting the statists everywhere will mean I simply must count on you to go above and beyond what you've done in the past.

That's why I simply must hear from you right away.

So can I please count on your most generous contribution of $50 TODAY?

I know that's a lot. I know it's more than you've done in the past.

But if $50 is just too much, please rush me your most generous contribution of $25 or at least $10 IMMEDIATELY!

Cufflinks, with so much on the line, this could not be more serious.

So please return your Mid-Year Member Ballot to me right away, and tell me how to proceed.

For Liberty,

Dr. Ron Paul
Chairman

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on June 25, 2016, 03:42:28 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 25, 2016, 08:47:07 AM

Quote from: TomT on June 24, 2016, 02:21:01 PM
Quote from: Anteros on June 24, 2016, 11:02:47 AM
Since you obviously are going to vote for Hillary and you obviously voted for Barrack Hussein Obama, your definition of intelligence is to vote for somebody who [blah, blah, blah]...

You are such a screw-up that you can't even get the president's name right!

I think that your intelligence, knowledge, honesty and mental health exceeds Trump's, though.

Let's see: I'm a screw-up, because I put an extra r in Barack? Who cares. It's not an American name.

Meanwhile up thread you wrote: "times (sic) zones". I believe "time zones" would be correct. :laugh:

Somebody needs to look up what [sic] means. :-X

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 25, 2016, 03:49:27 PM

Quote from: Anterros on June 25, 2016, 08:47:07 AM

I believe "time zones" would be correct. :laugh:

My typing sucks and my editor is away.

You've been a bit delayed in posting lately. Slow internet connection? :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 25, 2016, 04:01:04 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on June 25, 2016, 01:30:28 PM

I wonder does Trump think there is no need for a VP?

The Trump VP will either sink or cinch the election on this. It will move the Shakey's back in the fold or so alienate them they will write in Putin. So the question might be seen as does Trump do a McCain move with a Palin or a Reagan move with Bush, Sr?

Lewandowski for V. President! Make America great again!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Anteros on June 25, 2016, 04:55:01 PM

Quote from: Manny on June 25, 2016, 03:42:28 PM

Quote from: Anteros on June 25, 2016, 08:47:07 AM
Quote from: TomT on June 24, 2016, 02:21:01 PM
Quote from: Anteros on June 24, 2016, 11:02:47 AM
Since you obviously are going to vote for Hillary and you obviously voted for Barrack Hussein Obama, your definition of intelligence is to vote for somebody who [blah, blah, blah]...

You are such a screw-up that you can't even get the president's name right!

I think that your intelligence, knowledge, honesty and mental health exceeds Trump's, though.

Let's see: I'm a screw-up, because I put an extra r in Barack? Who cares. It's not an American name.

Meanwhile up thread you wrote: "times (sic) zones". I believe "time zones" would be correct. :laugh:

Somebody needs to look up what [sic] means. :-X

I suggest you to do precisely that. Here, let me help you. Notice the part that says: "complete with any erroneous or archaic spelling"? :Zzzzsleep:

"The Latin adverb sic ("thus"; in full: sic erat scriptum, "thus was it written")[1] inserted after a quoted word or passage, indicates that the quoted matter has been transcribed exactly as found in the source text, complete with any erroneous or archaic spelling, surprising assertion, faulty reasoning, or other matter that might otherwise be taken as an error of transcription."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 27, 2016, 09:27:59 PM

'Rust Belt' uprising could be key to victory for Trump

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4997152260001/rust-belt-uprising-could-be-key-to-victory-for-trump/?#sp=show-clips

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 27, 2016, 10:42:08 PM

Ant, well done for your discovery of Wikipedia; no doubt you feel like quite the expert now, don't you?

Kinda ~~fun~~ sad that you feel so sensitive about a small point that you needed to support your ignorance with a misunderstood reference to authority.

Poor boy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on June 28, 2016, 01:51:32 AM

Had he have used square brackets and italicised it, we would have known he was attempting to use it rather than quoting it as the line in speech marks suggested. But yes, insecure enough to dash to Wikipedia so he can check himself, then paste what he was attempting to do.

No cigar for Ant yet; still at the back of the class. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on June 28, 2016, 02:33:59 AM

From the same wikipedia page about sic:

Style and formatting:

Quote

Where sic follows the quotation, it takes brackets: [sic].[19] The word sic is usually treated as a loanword that does not require italics, and the style manuals of New Zealand, Australian and British media outlets generally do not require italicisation.[11] However, italicization is common in the United States, where authorities including APA Style insist upon it.[20]

Because sic is not an abbreviation, placing a full stop/period inside the brackets after the word sic is erroneous,[21][22] although at least one style guide suggests styling it as a parenthetical sentence only when used after a complete sentence, like so: (Sic.)[19]

Bolding mine :innocent:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 28, 2016, 05:42:48 PM

President Donald John Trump Declaring America's Economic Independence

It is great to be here. I'd like to thank Alumisource and all the amazing workers here for hosting us.

Today, I am going to talk about how to Make America Wealthy Again.

We are thirty miles from Steel City. Pittsburgh played a central role in building our nation.

The legacy of Pennsylvania steelworkers lives in the bridges, railways and skyscrapers that make up our great American landscape.

But our workers' loyalty was repaid with betrayal.

Our politicians have aggressively pursued a policy of globalization - moving our jobs, our wealth and our factories to Mexico and overseas.

Globalization has made the financial elite who donate to politicians very wealthy. But it has left millions of our workers with nothing but poverty and heartache.

When subsidized foreign steel is dumped into our markets, threatening our factories, the politicians do nothing.

For years, they watched on the sidelines as our jobs vanished and our communities were plunged into depression-level unemployment.

Many of these areas have still never recovered.

Our politicians took away from the people their means of making a living and supporting their families.

Skilled craftsmen and tradespeople and factory workers have seen the jobs they loved shipped thousands of miles away.

Many Pennsylvania towns once thriving and humming are now in a state despair.

This wave of globalization has wiped out our middle class.

It doesn't have to be this way. We can turn it all around - and we can turn it around fast.

But if we're going to deliver real change, we're going to have to reject the campaign of fear and intimidation being pushed by powerful corporations, media elites, and political dynasties.

The people who rigged the system for their benefit will do anything - and say anything - to keep things exactly as they are.

The people who rigged the system are supporting Hillary Clinton because they know as long as she is in charge nothing will ever change.

The inner cities will remain poor.

The factories will remain closed.

The borders will remain open.

The special interests will remain firmly in control.

Hillary Clinton and her friends in global finance want to scare America into thinking small - and they want to scare the American people out of voting for a better future.

My campaign has the opposite message.

I want you to imagine how much better your life can be if we start believing in America again.

I want you to imagine how much better our future can be if we declare independence from the elites who've led us to one financial and foreign policy disaster after another.

Our friends in Britain recently voted to take back control of their economy, politics and borders.

I was on the right side of that issue - with the people - while Hillary, as always, stood with the elites, and both she and president Obama predicted that one wrong.

Now it's time for the American people to take back their future.

That's the choice we face. We can either give in to Hillary Clinton's campaign of fear, or we can choose to Believe In America.

We lost our way when we stopped believing in our country.

America became the world's dominant economy by becoming the world's dominant producer.

The wealth this created was shared broadly, creating the biggest middle class the world had ever known.

But then America changed its policy from promoting development in America, to promoting development in other nations.

We allowed foreign countries to subsidize their goods, devalue their currencies, violate their agreements, and cheat in every way imaginable.

Trillions of our dollars and millions of our jobs flowed overseas as a result.

I have visited cities and towns across this country where a third or even half of manufacturing jobs have been wiped out in the last 20 years.

Today, we import nearly $800 billion more in goods than we export.

This is not some natural disaster. It is politician-made disaster.

It is the consequence of a leadership class that worships globalism over Americanism.

This is a direct affront to our Founding Fathers, who wanted America to be strong, independent and free.

Our Founding Fathers Understood Trade

George Washington said that "the promotion of domestic manufactur[ing] will be among the first consequences to flow from an energetic government.”

Alexander Hamilton spoke frequently of the "expediency of encouraging manufactur[ing] in the United States." The first Republican President, Abraham Lincoln, warned that: "The abandonment of the protective policy by the American government… must produce want and ruin among our people."

Our original Constitution did not even have an income tax. Instead, it had tariffs - emphasizing taxation of foreign, not domestic, production.

Yet today, 240 years after the Revolution, we have turned things completely upside-down.

We tax and regulate and restrict our companies to death, then we allow foreign countries that cheat to export their goods to us tax-free.

As a result, we have become more dependent on foreign countries than ever before.

Ladies and Gentlemen, it’s time to declare our economic independence once again.

That means reversing two of the worst legacies of the Clinton years.

America has lost nearly one-third of its manufacturing jobs since 1997 - even as the country has increased its population by 50 million people.

At the center of this catastrophe are two trade deals pushed by Bill and Hillary Clinton.

First, the North American Free Trade Agreement, or NAFTA. Second, China's entry into the World Trade Organization.

NAFTA was the worst trade deal in history, and China's entrance into the World Trade Organization has enabled the greatest jobs theft in history.

It was Bill Clinton who signed NAFTA in 1993, and Hillary Clinton who supported it.

It was also Bill Clinton who lobbied for China's disastrous entry into the World Trade Organization, and Hillary Clinton who backed that terrible agreement.

Then, as Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton stood by idly while China cheated on its currency, added another trillion dollars to our trade deficits, and stole hundreds of billions of dollars in our intellectual property.

The city of Pittsburgh, and the State of Pennsylvania, have lost one-third of their manufacturing jobs since the Clintons put China into the WTO.

Fifty thousand factories across America have shut their doors in that time.

Almost half of our entire manufacturing trade deficit in goods with the world is the result of trade with China.

It was also Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State, who shoved us into a job-killing deal with South Korea in 2012.

As reported by the Economic Policy Institute in May, this deal doubled our trade deficit with South Korea and destroyed nearly 100,000 American jobs.

As Bernie Sanders said, Hillary Clinton "Voted for virtually every trade agreement that has cost the workers of this country millions of jobs.”

Trade reform, and the negotiation of great trade deals, is the quickest way to bring our jobs back.

To understand why trade reform creates jobs, we need to understand how all nations grow and prosper.

Massive trade deficits subtract directly from our Gross Domestic Product.

From 1947 to 2001 - a span of over five decades - our inflation-adjusted gross domestic product grew at a rate of 3.5%.

However, since 2002 - the year after we fully opened our markets to Chinese imports - that GDP growth rate has been cut almost in half.

What does this mean for Americans? For every one percent of GDP growth we fail to generate in any given year, we also fail to create over one million jobs.

America's "job creation deficit" due to slower growth since 2002 is well over 20 million jobs - and that's just about the number of jobs our country needs right now to put America back to work at decent wages.

The Transpacific-Partnership is the greatest danger yet.

The TPP would be the death blow for American manufacturing.

It would give up all of our economic leverage to an international commission that would put the interests of foreign countries above our own.

It would further open our markets to aggressive currency cheaters. It would make it easier for our trading competitors to ship cheap subsidized goods into U.S. markets - while allowing foreign countries to continue putting barriers in front of our exports.

The TPP would lower tariffs on foreign cars, while leaving in place the foreign practices that keep American cars from being sold overseas. The TPP even created a backdoor for China to supply car parts for automobiles made in Mexico.

The agreement would also force American workers to compete directly against workers from Vietnam, one of the lowest wage countries on Earth.

Not only will the TPP undermine our economy, but it will undermine our independence.

The TPP creates a new international commission that makes decisions the American people can't veto.

These commissions are great Hillary Clinton’s Wall Street funders who can spend vast amounts of money to influence the outcomes.

It should be no surprise then that Hillary Clinton, according to Bloomberg, took a “leading part in drafting the Trans-Pacific Partnership”.

She praised or pushed the TPP on 45 separate occasions, and even called it the “gold standard”.

Hillary Clinton was totally for the TPP just a short while ago, but when she saw my stance, which is totally against, she was shamed into saying she would be against it too – but have no doubt, she will immediately approve it if it is put before her, guaranteed.

She will do this just as she has betrayed American workers for Wall Street throughout her career.

Here’s how it would go: she would make a small token change, declare the pact fixed, and ram it through.

That’s why Hillary is now only saying she has problems with the TPP “in its current form,” – ensuring that she can rush to embrace it again at her earliest opportunity.

If the media doesn’t believe me, I have a challenge for you. Ask Hillary Clinton if she is willing to withdraw from the TPP her first day in office and unconditionally rule out its passage in any form.

There is no way to “fix” the TPP. We need bilateral trade deals. We do not need to enter into another massive international agreement that ties us up and binds us down.

A Trump Administration will change our failed trade policy - quickly

Here are 7 steps I would pursue right away to bring back our jobs.

One: I am going to withdraw the United States from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, which has not yet been ratified.

Two: I'm going to appoint the toughest and smartest trade negotiators to fight on behalf of American workers.

Three: I'm going to direct the Secretary of Commerce to identify every violation of trade agreements a foreign country is currently using to harm our workers. I will then direct all appropriate agencies to use every tool under American and international law to end these abuses.

Four: I'm going tell our NAFTA partners that I intend to immediately renegotiate the terms of that agreement to get a better deal for our workers. And I don't mean just a little bit better, I mean a lot better. If they do not agree to a renegotiation, then I will submit notice under Article 2205 of the NAFTA agreement that America intends to withdraw from the deal.

Five: I am going to instruct my Treasury Secretary to label China a currency manipulator. Any country that devalues their currency in order to take advantage of the United States will be met with sharply

Six: I am going to instruct the U.S. Trade Representative to bring trade cases against China, both in this country and at the WTO. China's unfair subsidy behavior is prohibited by the terms of its entrance to the WTO, and I intend to enforce those rules.

Seven: If China does not stop its illegal activities, including its theft of American trade secrets, I will use every lawful presidential power to remedy trade disputes, including the application of tariffs consistent with Section 201 and 301 of the Trade Act of 1974 and Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962.

President Reagan deployed similar trade measures when motorcycle and semiconductor imports threatened U.S. industry. His tariff on Japanese motorcycles was 45% and his tariff to shield America’s semiconductor industry was 100%.

Hillary Clinton, and her campaign of fear, will try to spread the lie that these actions will start a trade war. She has it completely backwards.

Hillary Clinton unleashed a trade war against the American worker when she supported one terrible trade deal after another – from NAFTA to China to South Korea.

A Trump Administration will end that war by getting a fair deal for the American people.

The era of economic surrender will finally be over.

A new era of prosperity will finally begin.

America will be independent once more.

Under a Trump Presidency, the American worker will finally have a President who will protect them and fight for them.

We will stand up to trade cheating anywhere and everywhere it threatens an American job.

We will make America the best place in the world to start a business, hire workers, and open a factory.

This includes massive tax reform to lift the crushing burdens on American workers and businesses.

We will also get rid of wasteful rules and regulations which are destroying our job creation capacity.

Many people think that these regulations are an even greater impediment than the fact that we are one of the highest taxed nations in the world.

We are also going to fully capture America’s tremendous energy capacity. This will create vast profits for our workers and begin reducing our deficit. Hillary Clinton wants to shut down energy production and shut down the mines.

A Trump Administration will also ensure that we start using American steel for American infrastructure.

Just like the American steel from Pennsylvania that built the Empire State building.

It will be American steel that will fortify American's crumbling bridges.

It will be American steel that sends our skyscrapers soaring into the sky.

It will be American steel that rebuilds our inner cities.

It will be American hands that remake this country, and it will be American energy - mined from American resources - that powers this country.

It will be American workers who are hired to do the job.

We are going to put American-produced steel back into the backbone of our country. This alone will create massive numbers of jobs.

On trade, on immigration, on foreign policy, we are going to put America First again.

We are going to make America wealthy again.

We are going to reject Hillary Clinton's politics of fear, futility, and incompetence.

We are going to embrace the possibilities of change.

It is time to believe in the future.

It is time to believe in each other.

It is time to Believe In America.

This Is How We Are Going To Make America Great Again – For All Americans.

We Are Going To Make America Great Again For Everyone – Greater Than Ever Before.

Thank you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on June 29, 2016, 12:40:47 PM

For those who don't pay much attention to polls but see the "trailing by double digits" headlines this last month I submit this little piece by American Thinker Sierra Rayne who does pay attention to the polls and often reports on how biased they are.

I doubt anything in the media moves Trump supporters as they pretty much know everyone has, is and will be slinging mud at the Donald to try and make him look bad and an impossible choice. The reality is that he is a few points behind Hillary and that goes up and down with the wind for this early period.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/06/no_the_other_polls_are_not_good.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 29, 2016, 04:23:55 PM

FOX news poll released today -

48% of registered Republicans prefer Trump as a Presidential Candidate

51% of registered Republicans prefer somebody else.

We need to fix this in Cleveland next month.

"Party unity is a trouble spot for Trump. Just 74 percent of Republicans back him over Clinton, down from 82 percent in May. For comparison, Mitt Romney lost despite garnering 93 percent support among Republicans in 2012. In addition, just over half of Republicans would prefer a different nominee (51 percent someone else vs. 48 percent Trump). And while most GOP voters describe Trump as intelligent, more than 7-in-10 feel he’s hot-headed and obnoxious."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 29, 2016, 05:08:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 29, 2016, 04:23:55 PM

" For comparison, Mitt Romney lost despite garnering 93 percent support among Republicans in 2012. "

Shakes, I suspect I am working really hard on making friends on RUA but what part of the above quote do you not understand?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 29, 2016, 06:30:22 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on June 29, 2016, 05:08:28 PM

Shakes, I suspect I am working really hard on making friends on RUA but what part of the above quote do you not understand?

I understand it completely.

If Romney lost with 93% of the Republican vote, then Trump has absolutely ZERO chance of winning with only 72%

What don't YOU understand about that?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on June 29, 2016, 09:12:49 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 29, 2016, 06:30:22 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on June 29, 2016, 05:08:28 PM
Shakes, I suspect I am working really hard on making friends on RUA but what part of the above quote do you not understand?

I understand it completely.

If Romney lost with 93% of the Republican vote, then Trump has absolutely ZERO chance of winning with only 72%

What don't YOU understand about that?

Reagan won by picking up non-traditional sources of votes, a/k/a Reagan Democrats.

Any of this sound familiar?

"The work of Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg is a classic study of Reagan Democrats. Greenberg analyzed white ethnic voters (largely unionized auto workers) in Macomb County, Michigan, just north of Detroit. The county voted 63 percent for John F. Kennedy in 1960, but 66 percent for Reagan in 1980. He concluded that "Reagan Democrats" no longer saw the Democratic party as champions of their working class aspirations, but instead saw them as working primarily for the benefit of others: the very poor, feminists, the unemployed, African Americans, Latinos, and other groups. In addition, Reagan Democrats enjoyed gains during the period of economic prosperity that coincided with the Reagan administration following the "malaise" of the Carter administration. They also supported Reagan's strong stance on national security and opposed the 1980s Democratic Party on such issues as pornography, crime, and high taxes"

from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_Democrat

Hope this helps.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on June 29, 2016, 09:25:06 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 29, 2016, 04:23:55 PM

FOX news poll released today -

48% of registered Republicans prefer Trump as a Presidential Candidate

51% of registered Republicans prefer somebody else.

We need to fix this in Cleveland next month.

"Party unity is a trouble spot for Trump. Just 74 percent of Republicans back him over Clinton, down from 82 percent in May. For comparison, Mitt Romney lost despite garnering 93 percent support among Republicans in 2012. In addition, just over half of Republicans would prefer a different nominee (51 percent someone else vs. 48 percent Trump). And while most GOP voters describe Trump as intelligent, more than 7-in-10 feel he’s hot-headed and obnoxious."

Glad you want to fix things. This can be done one Trump vote at a time starting with yours of course. That is the only way you can do it. The other wishful thinking idiots will not be gaining enough support to do the Donald any harm.

As for the Romney comparison. There is no comparison really. He wasn't running against Hillary and she may not be running either. For all anyone knows it may be Biden.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on June 30, 2016, 01:33:06 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on June 29, 2016, 05:08:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 29, 2016, 04:23:55 PM
" For comparison, Mitt Romney lost despite garnering 93 percent support among Republicans in 2012. "

Shakes, I suspect I am working really hard on making friends on RUA but what part of the above quote do you not understand?

You sound like Andrew :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 30, 2016, 10:35:29 AM

Rasmussen Reports:

Thursday, June 30, 2016

The tables have turned in this week’s White House Watch. After trailing Hillary Clinton by five points for the prior two weeks, Donald Trump has now taken a four-point lead.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds Trump with 43% of the vote, while Clinton earns 39%. Twelve percent (12%) still like another candidate, and five percent (5%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Last week at this time, it was Clinton 44%, Trump 39%. This is Trump’s highest level of support in Rasmussen Reports’ matchups with Clinton since last October. His support has been hovering around the 40% mark since April, but it remains to be seen whether he’s just having a good week or this actually represents a real move forward among voters.

Trump now earns 75% support among his fellow Republicans and picks up 14% of the Democratic vote. Seventy-six percent (76%) of Democrats like Clinton, as do 10% of GOP voters. Both candidates face a sizable number of potential defections because of unhappiness with them in their own parties.

(More below)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 30, 2016, 11:25:46 AM

Gotta love cherry-picking!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 30, 2016, 12:11:11 PM

Quote from: Slumba on June 29, 2016, 09:12:49 PM

Reagan won by picking up non-traditional sources of votes, a/k/a Reagan Democrats.

Same poll shows 83% of Democrats supporting Hillary. That leaves only 17% for Trump to garner.

66% of Sanders voters (35% of total Democrat primary voters) will back Hillary. That means about 12% of the 17% above originally backed Bernie. That leaves only 5% from new converts from Clinton to Trump.

This poll showed 37% of independents back Trump. With his weakness with Republicans, Trump needs between 60% and 65% of independent voters to stand a chance in the general election.

7 out of 10 REPUBLICANS think Trump is hot-tempered and obnoxious. What do you think the independents think?

Everything is pointing towards a 10+ point loss for Republicans in November.

Common sense Republicans who can see the handwriting on the wall need to spearhead a movement in Cleveland in July to remove this buffoon from the ballot and replace him with someone who actually has a chance in November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 30, 2016, 02:56:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 30, 2016, 12:11:11 PM

7 out of 10 REPUBLICANS think Trump is hot-tempered and obnoxious. What do you think the independents think?

He's running against a woman who threw a Bible at a Secret Service agent and hit him at the back of his head. Trump is a sweetie pie compared to that demonic wench.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on June 30, 2016, 03:00:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 30, 2016, 12:11:11 PM

Quote from: Slumba on June 29, 2016, 09:12:49 PM
Reagan won by picking up non-traditional sources of votes, a/k/a Reagan Democrats.

Same poll shows 83% of Democrats supporting Hillary. That leaves only 17% for Trump to garner.

66% of Sanders voters (35% of total Democrat primary voters) will back Hillary. That means about 12% of the 17% above originally backed Bernie. That leaves only 5% from new converts from Clinton to Trump.

This poll showed 37% of independents back Trump. With his weakness with Republicans, Trump needs between 60% and 65% of independent voters to stand a chance in the general election.

7 out of 10 REPUBLICANS think Trump is hot-tempered and obnoxious. What do you think the independents think?

Everything is pointing towards a 10+ point loss for Republicans in November.

Common sense Republicans who can see the handwriting on the wall need to spearhead a movement in Cleveland in July to remove this buffoon from the ballot and replace him with someone who actually has a chance in November.

It comes down to asking "who will show up" - Trump supporters are in general, willing to walk over broken glass for the guy.

Hillary is either older lesbians or radical feminists surrounded by a few beta boys and gays. "Low energy" to coin a phrase.

Which side has the hot chicks? Which side is excited and pumped up?

Reagan didn't break 47% in 1980 ... until the real poll, election day, came around and he won very handily.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 30, 2016, 03:32:53 PM

By time the general election campaign begins, Trump might get a boost from Russia.
Wait until Trump debates Hillary and the subject of her emails are fully exposed to the public. Then let's see what the polls will tell.

Russia to release Clinton emails?

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/29/hillary-clintons-emails-in-vladimir-putins-hands/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 30, 2016, 05:16:15 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 30, 2016, 03:32:53 PM

By time the general election campaign begins, Trump might get a boost from Russia.
Wait until Trump debates Hillary and the subject of her emails are fully exposed to the public. Then let's see what the polls will tell.

Russia to release Clinton emails?

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/29/hillary-clintons-emails-in-vladimir-putins-hands/

Wow! Putin does not want Hillary in.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 30, 2016, 05:41:20 PM

Even with all the negative press, and drama with Trump over the last few weeks he once again is ahead of Hillary.

Trump just pulled ahead of Clinton in a national poll for the first time in more than a month

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-just-pulled-ahead-clinton-141951200.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on June 30, 2016, 09:13:15 PM

Let's just forget about any polls, such as Reuters (Clinton +10) and Washington Post (Clinton +12), that are out of step with our delusions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 01, 2016, 01:13:31 AM

Quote from: TomT on June 30, 2016, 09:13:15 PM

Let's just forget about any polls, such as Reuters (Clinton +10) and Washington Post (Clinton +12), that are out of step with our delusions.

The polls said Labour would win the last election here. They did not.

The polls said we would stay in the EU. They were wrong.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 01, 2016, 02:27:49 AM

Quote from: TomT on June 30, 2016, 09:13:15 PM

Let's just forget about any polls, such as Reuters (Clinton +10) and Washington Post (Clinton +12), that are out of step with our delusions.

Washington Post (Clinton +12)

From the WaPo poll page:
The survey of 1,001 randomly selected adults.
People who identify as Democrats 36 percent .
Self-described Republicans accounted for 24 percent of those polled this month.
Independents made up 33 percent.

Tell me that a 12 point difference between Dems and Repubs will not be biased. Really now Tom, you are catching whatever disease Shakey has. I expect better from you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-new-poll-support-for-trump-plunges-giving-clinton-a-double-digit-lead/2016/06/25/0565bef6-3a31-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 01, 2016, 02:34:36 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 01, 2016, 01:13:31 AM

Quote from: TomT on June 30, 2016, 09:13:15 PM
Let's just forget about any polls, such as Reuters (Clinton +10) and Washington Post (Clinton +12), that are out of step with our delusions.

The polls said Labour would win the last election here. They did not.

The polls said we would stay in the EU. They were wrong.

Something is going wrong with polling. Given a random sample of representative size and a well formulated question in a well sorted system then we should be able to expect polling to be pretty good.

It has been suggested that there are issues with sampling, particularly for phone polls given that most people have mobile phones which are much harder to contact than landlines - the result being to skew samples toward certain demographic groups and face to face polling is costly, slow and also subject to skewing given the decrease in time that people spend out of their homes.

Pollsters are probably working hard to find techniques to enable them to stay relevant because so much of what we do is influenced by polling - it isn't just about elections.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 01, 2016, 08:09:32 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 01, 2016, 01:13:31 AM

The polls said Labour would win the last election here. They did not.

The polls said we would stay in the EU. They were wrong.

That's why it's important to consult the polls stated margin of error.

The Brexit results were within the calculated poll margin of error, therefore valid.

That's when a poll is really meaningful, when compensated for the widest possible margin of error and one candidate still has the advantage. For example, a Hillary lead of 6 points with a 2 1/2 point margin of error.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 01, 2016, 08:12:03 AM

Quote from: bagalia on July 01, 2016, 02:27:49 AM

Tell me that a 12 point difference between Dems and Repubs will not be biased. Really now Tom, you are catching whatever disease Shakey has. I expect better from you.

Actually, most experts concede that nationwide there are between 8-12% more registered Democrats than Republicans.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 01, 2016, 10:29:55 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 01, 2016, 08:12:03 AM

Quote from: bagalia on July 01, 2016, 02:27:49 AM
Tell me that a 12 point difference between Dems and Repubs will not be biased. Really now Tom, you are catching whatever disease Shakey has. I expect better from you.

Actually, most experts concede that nationwide there are between 8-12% more registered Democrats than Republicans.

Because of, wait for it, immigration... part of the reason that the Wall has proven popular.

Despite the "Hispanics are natural conservatives" shpiel, they usually split between 80/20 to 70/30 in favor of Democrats, even 2nd and 3rd generation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 01, 2016, 11:10:22 AM

Don't forget that Trump's policies with regard to immigration are actually part of US law right now. In effect, all he is actually saying is 'use legislation already in force to do the tasks for which it was designed'. Remember too that a 'wall' as in 'permanent barrier to entry' is already under construction. Just as in old East Germany, for the most part the 'wall' was synonym for 'permanent fence'; the wall was, in large part, made of barbed wire and minefields.

Of course don't let American people get hooked up on matters of fact, that'd spoil the record for which you are famed world wide.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 01, 2016, 01:17:51 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 01, 2016, 08:12:03 AM

Quote from: bagalia on July 01, 2016, 02:27:49 AM
Tell me that a 12 point difference between Dems and Repubs will not be biased. Really now Tom, you are catching whatever disease Shakey has. I expect better from you.

Actually, most experts concede that nationwide there are between 8-12% more registered Democrats than Republicans.

Gallop as of 2015 uses (solid/leaning) 43% Democrats to 40% Republicans with Democratic population spikes in California, New York and Illinois primarily making up the difference.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 01, 2016, 02:57:48 PM

I would be glad with either as VP.

Christie, Gingrich being vetted for Trump VP

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/01/christie-gingrich-being-vetted-for-trump-vp.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 01, 2016, 03:43:01 PM

Quote from: bagalia on July 01, 2016, 02:27:49 AM

Tell me that a 12 point difference between Dems and Repubs will not be biased. Really now Tom, you are catching whatever disease Shakey has. I expect better from you.

I would never make the asinine claim that Clinton is twelve points ahead, based on an obvious flier. Yet, a few fools are trying to build the case that Trump is ahead because of an even-more obvious flier.

Fortunately for Rasmussen Reports, many people have short memories and little ability to reason. They called election 2012 for Romney and were five point off. Few remember and even fewer have the intelligence to understand the significance of that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on July 01, 2016, 04:40:41 PM

Got to love Sara Palin.

Republicans Against Trump (rat)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 01, 2016, 09:14:40 PM

Quote from: yankee on July 01, 2016, 04:40:41 PM

Got to love Sara Palin.

Republicans Against Trump (rat)

? ? ? ?

I thought she endorsed Trump?

This election is becoming pathetic. Can Putin run for the White House?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 01, 2016, 11:53:54 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 01, 2016, 09:14:40 PM

Quote from: yankee on July 01, 2016, 04:40:41 PM
Got to love Sara Palin.

Republicans Against Trump (rat)

? ? ? ?

I thought she endorsed Trump?

This election is becoming pathetic. Can Putin run for the White House?

Only the shadow knows where that came from. Do not fear. Mama bear still loves Donny.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 02, 2016, 05:35:59 AM

Quote from: bagalia on July 01, 2016, 11:53:54 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 01, 2016, 09:14:40 PM
Quote from: yankee on July 01, 2016, 04:40:41 PM
Got to love Sara Palin.

Republicans Against Trump (rat)

? ? ? ?

I thought she endorsed Trump?

This election is becoming pathetic. Can Putin run for the White House?

Only the shadow knows where that came from. Do not fear. Mama bear still loves Donny.

I'm guessing she is referring to the republicans against Trump as RATS

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on July 02, 2016, 06:10:44 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 01, 2016, 09:14:40 PM

Quote from: yankee on July 01, 2016, 04:40:41 PM
Got to love Sara Palin.

Republicans Against Trump (rat)

? ? ? ?

I thought she endorsed Trump?

This election is becoming pathetic. Can Putin run for the White House?

She is for Trump. Thoes against Trump are RATs (Republicans Against Trump)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 02, 2016, 06:17:09 AM

Someone ought to write a compilation of Sarah Palin's astute comments.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 02, 2016, 06:28:03 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 30, 2016, 12:11:11 PM

Same poll shows 83% of Democrats supporting Hillary. That leaves only 17% for Trump to garner.

66% of Sanders voters (35% of total Democrat primary voters) will back Hillary. That means about 12% of the 17% above originally backed Bernie. That leaves only 5% from new converts from Clinton to Trump.

This poll showed 37% of independents back Trump. With his weakness with Republicans, Trump needs between 60% and 65% of independent voters to stand a chance in the general election.

7 out of 10 REPUBLICANS think Trump is hot-tempered and obnoxious. What do you think the independents think?

Everything is pointing towards a 10+ point loss for Republicans in November.

Common sense Republicans who can see the handwriting on the wall need to spearhead a movement in Cleveland in July to remove this buffoon from the ballot and replace him with someone who actually has a chance in November.

Some people have tried to make a big deal about Trump's 13 million popular votes in the primary, completely disregarding Clinton's 16 million votes. I suppose that one might argue that the uninformed were not aware that there was voting in the primaries. That might explain the disparity but it would be a terrible indictment of Trump's base.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 02, 2016, 06:44:32 AM

That'd be relevant if both were in the same party and each adhered to the same selection rules but they don't and so the number of votes cast for each party's representative is irrelevant. What will count is the number of votes allocated to each candidate in the general election.

I use the word allocated purposefully.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 02, 2016, 06:55:14 AM

^ It's analogous to the imbecile at the Daily Rag cherry-picking a few right-leaning polls and trying to make the case that Trump is pulling ahead. Trump's base sucked it right up, though.

It's true that projections mean little. It should be self-evident that voter sentiment doesn't shift as quickly as the polls do. If that were the case, Trump's numbers would have fallen into the Marianas trench after his comments about Orlando, Judge Curiel and Brexit (whilst in Scotland). Nonetheless, if one combines many polls, as RCP does), fliers tend to wash out and the margin of error drops.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 02, 2016, 10:54:32 AM

Quote from: TomT on July 02, 2016, 06:55:14 AM

It's true that projections mean little. It should be self-evident that voter sentiment doesn't shift as quickly as the polls do.

It's almost as if ... you are agreeing with what I wrote months ago.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 02, 2016, 11:06:46 AM

But Tom, you see, if the comparison is not relevant, as you now tell us it wasn't why make the claim in the first place?

Stuff like that goes right to one's credibility.

If I thought you were a dishonest tosser then I'd not have gone into the point, I'd have made some comment about your dishonest onanism. But now you have told me (us) that you were purposefully using a comparison that you know wasn't valid. That's a shame, really.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 02, 2016, 03:06:15 PM

^ Spare me the oblique argument. Go back to reply #3590, tally up the total sample size and tell me that the margin of error for the RCP average isn't 1%.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 03, 2016, 12:39:26 PM

Once Donald Trump does start his general election campaign in full it will be all but over for Hillary.

Newt Gingrich Says Donald Trump 'Not Trying' Yet

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/newt-gingrich-says-donald-trump-not-trying-yet-n603036

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 03, 2016, 01:02:39 PM

Tom, you are getting mixed up.

Sample size is relevant for comparison only when the universe is the same. The universe is the group of respondents. Now, you can have two different samples that are selected in exactly the same way and compare those; then sample sizes and sample errors contributing to the overall margin of error might become relevant.
Because the two universes are very different the overall number of votes in each nomination campaign are irrelevant for objective comparison purposes.

In this case though the two universes are different. That's because the two parties have different means of selecting their candidates, this means that motivations to turn out are different. To give an example: the Democrats have many more delegates than the Republicans. Each party has very different rules about pledged candidates. These kinds of difference make a comparison of the universes (samples) pretty much irrelevant - excepting if you don't know the stuff I just wrote about. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 03, 2016, 02:53:59 PM

No, I'm not mixed up. In the Rasmussen universe, "Trump has now taken a four-point lead" but, in the real world, he is 4-5 points behind. My original comment was about cherry picking [data that validates one's peculiar notions and not considering all data.] This is such a simple point that it amazes me that anyone would have trouble with it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 03, 2016, 07:22:11 PM

Will be interesting to see how many of Sanders supporters will back Trump?

Former Sanders supporter on why he now backs Trump

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5019773581001/former-sanders-supporter-on-why-he-now-backs-trump/?#sp=show-clips

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 04, 2016, 02:18:02 AM

As folks seem to be very interested in polling and are happy to slice and dice what they see in order to fit individual data-points to their chosen worldview I thought this article about the polling in respect of the UK's recent referendum might be interesting.

Briefly most pollsters got the outcome 'wrong' and only one large poll was on the money. Of course, we would expect that in a large field there'd be at least one finisher, however, given that most polls gave the 'Remain' voters victory there's probably an issue somewhere with the sampling and modeling. Modeling is an issue that people who are familiar with the term 'sample' are often completely unaware of. Many years ago I was working on survey design in my employer's marketing research department (working to MRS standards) which kinda opened my eyes to how marketing research worked - opinion polling is just one tool used in this work.

This short article explains some of the less visible aspects of survey design and why these less well seen aspects are important. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/01/luke_taylor_tns_explains_referendum_polling/

For the fun lovers with a calculator here's the methodological notes for the relevant poll: http://uk.kantar.com/media/1315210/methodological_note__tables___22.06.2016_poll.pdf
This is a useful document as it enables the reader to gain an insight into some of what goes into creating a universe of respondents that accurately represents the population under study.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 04, 2016, 07:22:44 PM

Clinton's double digits lead is deteriorating, and if Trump can begin to be a bit more presidential Trump will be on top.

USA TODAY/Suffolk Poll: Clinton's lead over Trump narrows to 5 points

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/07/04/usa-today-suffolk-poll-voters-alarmed-trump-clinton/86632526/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 04, 2016, 08:45:42 PM

Clinton might not ever be indicted, but the email controversy could be enough to keep her from getting elected.
It's a shame that the republicans don't unite, and make Trump seem accepted within his own party. This would greatly improve how the general public views Trump as a presidential candidate.

WikiLeaks rolls out archive of over 1,200 ‘Clinton Iraq War’ emails

https://www.rt.com/usa/349492-wikileaks-iraq-clinton-emails/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 04, 2016, 09:05:55 PM

Insider Says Hillary Will Be Indicted

Published on Jul 1, 2016
Former Secret Service member Dan Bongino believes that this Loretta Lynch scandal will finally be the straw that breaks the camels back and lands Hillary Clinton in prison.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 05, 2016, 09:58:09 AM

Breaking News - ABC News Special Report - FBI Director Comey FBI is wrapping up its work and referring the case to the Justice Department for a prosecution decision.

No coordination has been done with any agency and no one in the government knows what I am about to say.

FBI Looked to see if classified info was stored or forwarded on the HRC Email Servers in violation of federal felony statutes. FBI under counter intelligence mandates investigated if the servers in question were hacked and compromised.

Clinton used several different servers and admins plus various mobile devices.

110 Emails in 52 email chains contained classified emails and 8 contained Top Secret and 36 Secret and 2,000 additional emails were up classified to confidential.

Found traces of tens of thousands of additional emails. Recovered many millions of email fragments of a server decommissioned in 2013.

Because she was not using a gov or gmail type account there was no archiving.

More than 60,000 emails were reviewed from the end of 2013... all emails were deleted after her lawyers submitted the emails to State. Lawyers scrubbed all machines afterward to eliminate all traces.

No clear evidence that Sec Clinton and colleagues intentionally mishandled classified information [Even though 8 SAP Special Access Program Ultra Top Secret emails were in fact found on her servers]. Any reasonable person in high government positions should have known not to handle this classified information in this way.

Evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person should have known that NO private unclassified system should have been used for the presence of these highly classified emails.

Subject of marking - most of these emails were not properly marked to indicate the level of classification of these emails.

FBI does assess that hostile actors accessed accounts of individuals Secretary Clinton was in correspondence with and that Hostile Actors highly likely.

Comey: NO reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case - can not find a case that would justify prosecution on these facts... THE FBI DIRECTOR COMEY GLOBALISTS FIX IS IN!!!!! "No charges are appropriate in this case". FBI director just successfully prejudiced the Justice Department potential prosecution decision in Hillary's favor.

Comey: No outside influence brought to bear on the FBI's investigation. [Lying if you're trying Meter pegged at 100%]

Never the less if highly classified information was found on insecure unclassified systems it is a de-facto federal felony...

State Department was lax in handling sensitive highly classified information.

Obamanation and Billy Bubba Clinton's globalists finger prints are all over this effective public pardon of Hillary Rotten Clinton.

AND;

Trump has already weighed in on Twitter...

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
FBI director said Crooked Hillary compromised our national security. No charges. Wow! #RiggedSystem

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 05, 2016, 10:07:38 AM

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
FBI director said Crooked Hillary compromised our national security. No charges. Wow! #RiggedSystem

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump
The system is rigged. General Petraeus got in trouble for far less. Very very unfair! As usual, bad judgment.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 05, 2016, 11:05:59 AM

The Clinton Crime Family strikes again.

I guess the sorry case of Mr. Ashe managing to kill himself while lifting weights was fresh in everyone's mind.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 11:10:25 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on July 05, 2016, 09:58:09 AM

No clear evidence that Sec Clinton and colleagues intentionally mishandled classified information [Even though 8 SAP Special Access Program Ultra Top Secret emails were in fact found on her servers]. Any reasonable person in high government positions should have known not to handle this classified information in this way.

Comey: NO reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case - can not find a case that would justify prosecution on these facts... "No charges are appropriate in this case".

No surprise here.

It is the correct decision based on the law as written. Intent to disclose confidential material is required.

Trumpsters should concentrate on the fact that Comey CONFIRMED that Hillary lied about sending e-mals that were marked classified. They should also make hay with the general condemnation of Hillary's management of the whole situation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 05, 2016, 11:40:52 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 11:10:25 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on July 05, 2016, 09:58:09 AM
No clear evidence that Sec Clinton and colleagues intentionally mishandled classified information [Even though 8 SAP Special Access Program Ultra Top Secret emails were in fact found on her servers]. Any reasonable person in high government positions should have known not to handle this classified information in this way.

Comey: NO reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case - can not find a case that would justify prosecution on these facts... "No charges are appropriate in this case".

No surprise here.

It is the correct decision based on the law as written. Intent to disclose confidential material is required.

Trumpsters should concentrate on the fact that Comey CONFIRMED that Hillary lied about sending e-mals that were marked classified. They should also make hay with the general condemnation of Hillary's management of the whole situation.

Every other person with a classified clearance I have talked to, disagreed with your interpretation.

"Management" as a word to key on is just a slow road to snoozeville with the voters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 11:52:51 AM

Quote from: Slumba on July 05, 2016, 11:40:52 AM

Every other person with a classified clearance I have talked to, disagreed with your interpretation.

Have they read the law? I have. I'm certain you'll find the word "intent" as a requirement in the statute.

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 37 › § 793
18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

Paragraph 2 is directly on point.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 05, 2016, 12:15:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 11:52:51 AM

Quote from: Slumba on July 05, 2016, 11:40:52 AM
Every other person with a classified clearance I have talked to, disagreed with your interpretation.

Have they read the law? I have. I'm certain you'll find the word "intent" as a requirement in the statute.

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 37 › § 793
18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

Paragraph 2 is directly on point.

National Review, which hates Trump btw, has a quick recap you might want to have a look at.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/437479/fbi-rewrites-federal-law-let-hillary-hook

hint: it's gross criminal negligence.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on July 05, 2016, 12:23:24 PM

Quote from: Slumba on July 05, 2016, 11:40:52 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 11:10:25 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on July 05, 2016, 09:58:09 AM
No clear evidence that Sec Clinton and colleagues intentionally mishandled classified information [Even though 8 SAP Special Access Program Ultra Top Secret emails were in fact found on her servers]. Any reasonable person in high government positions should have known not to handle this classified information in this way.

Comey: NO reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case - can not find a case that would justify prosecution on these facts... "No charges are appropriate in this case".

No surprise here.

It is the correct decision based on the law as written. Intent to disclose confidential material is required.

Trumpsters should concentrate on the fact that Comey CONFIRMED that Hillary lied about sending e-mals that were marked classified. They should also make hay with the general condemnation of Hillary's management of the whole situation.

Every other person with a classified clearance I have talked to, disagreed with your interpretation.

"Management" as a word to key on is just a slow road to snoozeville with the voters.

Although shakespear is correct in this case.

For analogy: You cannot convict someone for murder, if they accidentally killed someone with an axe in a horrible accident.

But, I agree with you, that other laws can be found that will fit: Same analogy: invoulentary manslaughter.

Mark.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 12:33:23 PM

Quote from: Slumba on July 05, 2016, 12:15:27 PM

National Review, which hates Trump btw, has a quick recap you might want to have a look at.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/437479/fbi-rewrites-federal-law-let-hillary-hook

hint: it's gross criminal negligence.

Personally, I agree with the writer's conclusions.

But we have to remember who the accused is, who the President of the United States is and who the Attorney General of the United States is. In that light, I'm not surprised with Comey's conclusion that "no competent Prosecuting Attorney would prosecute this case".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 05, 2016, 12:41:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 12:33:23 PM

Quote from: Slumba on July 05, 2016, 12:15:27 PM
National Review, which hates Trump btw, has a quick recap you might want to have a look at.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/437479/fbi-rewrites-federal-law-let-hillary-hook

hint: it's gross criminal negligence.

Personally, I agree with the writer's conclusions.

But we have to remember who the accused is, who the President of the United States is and who the Attorney General of the United States is. In that light, I'm not surprised with Comey's conclusion that "no competent Prosecuting Attorney would prosecute this case".

You just summed up:

1. why neither of the Clintons are in jail as they should be

2. why the Republicans continually get rolled by the Democrats

3. why Trump ended up being the candidate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 05, 2016, 12:50:44 PM

If you look back at the white water controversy the Clintons seem to be above the law.
I'm not one bit surprised Hillary won't be brought up on charges. Still Trump has been given a golden opportunity if played correctly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 05, 2016, 01:28:53 PM

This article and video, pretty much sums up what our elections have become.

VLADIMIR PUTIN SAYS THE US ELECTIONS ARE RIGGED. IT’S NOT A DEMOCRACY (VIDEO

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/07/05/vladimir-putin-says-the-us-elections-are-rigged-its-not-a-democracy/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 05, 2016, 01:34:28 PM

Quote from: Slumba on July 05, 2016, 12:15:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 11:52:51 AM
Quote from: Slumba on July 05, 2016, 11:40:52 AM
Every other person with a classified clearance I have talked to, disagreed with your interpretation.

Have they read the law? I have. I'm certain you'll find the word "intent" as a requirement in the statute.

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 37 › § 793
18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

Paragraph 2 is directly on point.

National Review, which hates Trump btw, has a quick recap you might want to have a look at.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/437479/fbi-rewrites-federal-law-let-hillary-hook

hint: it's gross criminal negligence.

I liked this one more. They doubled up on the intent part as being irrelevant.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/07/comey_speaks_hillary_skates.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 01:42:12 PM

Quote from: bagalia on July 05, 2016, 01:34:28 PM

I liked this one more. They doubled up on the intent part as being irrelevant.

Your writer is ignoring the written law which states:

Section 2: "Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, and with like INTENT or reason to believe"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 05, 2016, 01:54:42 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 11:10:25 AM

....Comey CONFIRMED that Hillary lied about sending e-mals that were marked classified. They should also make hay with the general condemnation of Hillary's management of the whole situation.

Making false statements to federal law enforcement in the course of an investigation is a felony. It's how they got Martha Stewart, and, in part, Scooter Libby. I dislike it, personally, because most people--by which I mean non-lawyers--will have no idea, as they aren't under oath, and to the extent that their view of events merely differs from the federal LEOs in question, suddenly they're being charged under 18 U.S.C. §1001. That said, H-Rod is an attorney and government official and has specialist attorneys in her employ over this and other matters, and would hardly be in any position to deny that she understood this.

At any rate, the fix was in on this for a long time, which should have been apparent, at the very latest, when Loretta Lynch met with Bill Clinton. They don't even try to hide it anymore. There's NFW that Lynch would ever have said that she's accept the FBI's conclusions without being certain as to what those conclusions would be.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 03:36:46 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 05, 2016, 01:54:42 PM

Making false statements to federal law enforcement in the course of an investigation is a felony.

Although she said it numerous times in the public forum, I doubt very seriously that Hillary denied ever sending material marked as "classified" while under oath.

There is no statute of limitations problem with this issue. In the unlikely event that Trump wins the election he can order his Attorney General to prosecute.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 05, 2016, 03:46:23 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on July 04, 2016, 09:05:55 PM

Insider Says Hillary Will Be Indicted

Published on Jul 1, 2016
Former Secret Service member Dan Bongino believes that this Loretta Lynch scandal will finally be the straw that breaks the camels back and lands Hillary Clinton in prison.

People who were saying that Hillary will be indicted are looking like fools now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 05, 2016, 04:23:10 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 03:36:46 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 05, 2016, 01:54:42 PM
Making false statements to federal law enforcement in the course of an investigation is a felony.

Although she said it numerous times in the public forum, I doubt very seriously that Hillary denied ever sending material marked as "classified" while under oath.

There is no statute of limitations problem with this issue. In the unlikely event that Trump wins the election he can order his Attorney General to prosecute.

She doesn't have to be under oath, she simply has to make a false or misleading statement to a federal LEO. It's a great reason not to talk to federal LEOs ever. Just say "Hey, sorry, 18 USC 1001. I can't talk to you less my words get 'misconstrued'...."

That said, I think that she lawyered up and dummied up immediately on this, w/r/t the investigation part, regardless of what she was saying to the masses. And then the FBI gave us the government's version of the Wells Report. They're plowing the road for her. The election just got decided, today.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 05, 2016, 04:24:27 PM

Quote from: TomT on July 05, 2016, 03:46:23 PM

People who were saying that Hillary will be indicted are looking like fools now.

Either them or the FBI, one or the other.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 05, 2016, 11:56:30 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 01:42:12 PM

Quote from: bagalia on July 05, 2016, 01:34:28 PM
I liked this one more. They doubled up on the intent part as being irrelevant.

Your writer is ignoring the written law which states:

Section 2: "Whoever, for the purpose aforesaid, and with like INTENT or reason to believe"

The word "intent" is used twice out of about 12 paragraphs and does not appear to be the only word of GOD. There seems to be enough other reasons having to do with gross negligence.

I can accept Comey saying there was no intent. That is hard enough to prove with a pro. I do not agree with him when he says that since there are no other cases like this he does not believe it can be prosecuted. That would be like saying no new crimes can be prosecuted.

But who am I to argue. I am content to leave it to former Attorney General from 2007 to 2009 Mike Mukasey who said the "Even the felony statute requires no such evidence, and no such intent." and "The misdemeanor involves simply the knowing removal of classified documents to an unauthorized location."

I think a few more days of waiting on this is worth it. We may just see all hell break loose. I hope not if only because I see Hillary easier to beat than Bernie and this whole crooked looking affair may be just as bad for her as it is now.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/05/attorney-general-mike-mukasey-freezes-fbi-director-james-comey/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 06, 2016, 01:56:36 AM

Whilst this outcome was pretty much as I expected it to be I do think that the US might be at a tipping point.

I am not a lawyer, I don't play one on TV and I don't have the training BUT Comey made it clear that she DID carry out actions that infringed upon US law. It seems to me, as the non-lawyer who can read, that Comey purposefully chose to raise the issue of intent. This seems to be an obvious bear trap for Lynch. He has made a recommendation that Loretta Lynch has already said she will accept.

This series of events has been scripted. The airport meeting was no accident and nor was Lynch's announcement that she'd accept the recommendations of the FBI.

My guess?
Comey has been under great pressure to exonerate Clinton. That pressure has been public and from the very highest authority in the land. He has done that which he was commanded to do, but in public he has created a single, very large, very obvious hole in the completion of his orders.

He made a big point about intent - yet he'd know full well that intent is not a prerequisite for indictment or prosecution under several of the laws that she is known and accepted, by the FBI, to have broken.

I think he has just thrown the hand grenade to Loretta Lynch who is going to now have to make a determination herself. Comey has made public, at a high level, the issue of intent. Lynch now has to find a way to pit the pin back in the grenade.

The tipping point will come when she makes the decision (because the decision was not Comey's to make) to let Clinton get away with serious crimes against the State and People.

If the decision is made to not proceed against Clinton then an existential choice will have been made about the present and future of the United States of America.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on July 06, 2016, 02:16:33 AM

I hope people will remember this shitstorm and not vote for Hillary clinton. I also hope that the independent 3d candidate will win, but that will be when pigs fly

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 06, 2016, 05:51:25 AM

^ The blowback, if there is any, should be apparent in the polls by this time next week. I doubt that it will cost her more than a few percentage points, though, because most voters have already made up their minds. I can't help but notice that the asshats who voted to dramatically cut the budget for embassy security have escaped unscathed.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/jason-chaffetz-embassy_n_1954912.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 06, 2016, 06:09:45 AM

Sadly, Tom, you might be right. I hope not.

This should not be a party political issue. This is a constitutional issue. That's why it is so important.

No matter what one's opinion is about the party, the framing of this issue by Team Clinton and now the FBI beggars belief. If she (and the team for which she is responsible) Are so careless, so incompetent that Comey can honestly portray her as he did them there's no way in which she is competent for the highest office in the land.

If she is not so incompetent then it is not possible to honestly suggest that her violating actions were not carried out with intent.

I have tried to see this stuff as a simple case of woman too idle and stupid to be able to learn how to use a password.

Here's the thing. I am not idle, I am not stupid. I am pretty sophisticated in terms of how I deal with email and tech related issues. The idea of running a mail server is incomprehensible to me.

Lazy and incompetent uses AOL or Gmail, it does not install a set of computers up in a cupboard to handle my emails, it does not hire people or use scripts to strip headers from emails before I receive them.

Her actions were knowingly undertaken by people who had objectives. Those objectives have been attained as we now know.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 06, 2016, 11:46:03 AM

To clarify a bit, Comey laid out a case requiring intent, i.e. H-Rod didn't "intentionally" do anything wrong. The trouble is, she could have been charged under the "gross negligence" portion of the statute, as gross negligence does not require intent. That's the point of it. So what is "gross negligence"? Careless or reckless disregard relative to the appropriate standard of care. IOW, it sounds a lot like "extreme carelessness".

Now, I don't know if HRC would be found guilty by a jury. It may well be that she would not. But Director Comey basically laid out a case for a charge of Gross Negligence...and then didn't recommend charging her.

A few thoughts:

Political appointees shouldn't be investigating high ranking politicos on matters of this magnitude--this is a felony with up to a 10 year sentence attached. This decision should have been made by a career prosecutor.

I would expect that there are a lot of career FBI agents walking around today, grinding their teeth.

When Atty Gen'l Lynch said, after meeting with former President Clinton--oopsie--that she would abide by the recommendation of the FBI, it should have been clear at that point that she "knew" (scare quotes intentional) as to what that recommendation should be.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 06, 2016, 01:31:47 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 06, 2016, 11:46:03 AM

Now, I don't know if HRC would be found guilty by a jury. It may well be that she would not. But Director Comey basically laid out a case for a charge of Gross Negligence...and then didn't recommend charging her.

Or that Obama has the power with a "stroke of his pen" to pardon her.

In my mind this is was what Comey was taking about when he made his "no reasonable prosecutor" statement. When weighing the power of Mrs Clinton's political allies, the cost of bringing the case to trial and the near impossibility of a conviction.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 06, 2016, 01:44:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 06, 2016, 01:31:47 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 06, 2016, 11:46:03 AM
Now, I don't know if HRC would be found guilty by a jury. It may well be that she would not. But Director Comey basically laid out a case for a charge of Gross Negligence...and then didn't recommend charging her.

Or that Obama has the power with a "stroke of his pen" to pardon her.

In my mind this is was what Comey was taking about when he made his "no reasonable prosecutor" statement. When weighing the power of Mrs Clinton's political allies, the cost of bringing the case to trial and the near impossibility of a conviction.

Senate and House majorities are: Republican.

FBI funding cuts? DOJ funding cuts? Immediate summoning of Lynch and Comey to Congress to answer questions? Immediate subpoenas to the SS officers that were present at the Clinton-Lynch meeting, asking them to describe what they recollect?

Forget about it - these are CUCKSERVATIVES we are talking about.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 06, 2016, 02:19:25 PM

I think, as noted above, that Comey is playing a crafty game.

There's levels of reality stuff going on here.

Remember that all he does is make recommendations. He has clearly laid out a case for indictment on the grounds of negligence. Now the Justice Department has to justify why they will not follow the path that Coney has illuminated.

Now, when his superiors come after he and his staff, as they will, he has plausible deniability on his side. He will say 'My recommendation was clearly for not indictment. The choices are clearly the responsibility of Justice.'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 06, 2016, 05:13:53 PM

At least Trump had a respectable month with funding.

Donald Trump just snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. Again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/06/donald-trump-just-snatched-victory-from-the-jaws-of-defeat-again/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 06, 2016, 06:35:11 PM

Some of the comments are very funny, only it's scary as hell most are reasonably true.

#MoreTrustedThanHillary: Social media reacts to Clinton email investigation

https://www.rt.com/usa/349698-more-trusted-than-hillary/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 06, 2016, 06:48:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 06, 2016, 01:31:47 PM

Or that Obama has the power with a "stroke of his pen" to pardon her.

That wouldn't do her any good; her presidential campaign would be absolutely torpedoed. Hillary would be happy to burn the country down so long as she got to be President of the Ashes....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 07, 2016, 09:01:42 AM

FBI director testifies before Congress on Clinton email investigation (WATCH LIVE)

https://www.rt.com/usa/349892-comey-testifies-clinton-emails/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 07, 2016, 09:24:48 AM

Trump does not, I think, need as much money for his campaign as Clinton. He is getting huge amounts of broadcast and print media coverage for free and the social media world is his lobster right now.

Here's the thing: print and broadcast are dead. They are from 2008 and before. Now, social rules and, well managed, as Trumps is, it is very inexpensive.

Trump's targets are not watching TV. If he and his supporters put stuff on YouTube it'll get the audience that the Republicans need.

Probably the biggest expense of the campaign is print and broadcast paid spots, but the only folks who will say they work are the people selling the spots.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 07, 2016, 10:22:47 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 11:52:51 AM

Have they read the law? I have. I'm certain you'll find the word "intent" as a requirement in the statute.

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 37 › § 793
18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

Paragraph 2 is directly on point.

As Comey confirmed in his testimony before the House Oversight Committee today, INTENT was primary consideration on the decision NOT to recommend prosecution.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 07, 2016, 11:59:20 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 07, 2016, 10:22:47 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 11:52:51 AM
Have they read the law? I have. I'm certain you'll find the word "intent" as a requirement in the statute.

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 37 › § 793
18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

Paragraph 2 is directly on point.

As Comey confirmed in his testimony before the House Oversight Committee today, INTENT was primary consideration on the decision NOT to recommend prosecution.

It's a great way to pass the buck. Tell me again how the FBI is full of honorable people who only care about what is right. The whole thing is laughable.

Others will benefit, though... that somehow, despite the "Comey standard" were wrongfully charged... http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article88042162.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 07, 2016, 12:16:20 PM

This quote is somewhat disturbing. In the event Hillary was elected, the security of the United states would be in the hands of someone that should never be given high security clearance.
(Quote)
When asked by Chaffetz whether Clinton did something wrong or if the FBI would grant a security clearance “to someone who acted like this,”Comey responded that the former secretary’s actions “would be an important consideration in the suitability determination” for clearance.

https://www.rt.com/usa/349892-comey-testifies-clinton-emails/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 07, 2016, 12:21:50 PM

Late in the process, Rep Grothman (Wis-6th) asked Comey about the consequences of Hillary's actions and Rep Chaffetz (UT-3rd) really tore into Comey. I'm sure these comments with make the news highlights tonight or you tube highlights later today.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 07, 2016, 12:23:07 PM

COMPLETE BS. UTTERLY CORRUPT.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/07/07/comey-hillarys-fbi-testimony-wasnt-under-oath-or-recorded-but-it-would-still-be-a-crime-to-lie/

"FBI Director James Comey stated that the FBI’s interview with presumptive Democratic presidential nominee former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was not under oath or recorded, but it still would be a crime to lie to the FBI.

Comey stated that he did not personally interview Clinton, and did not talk to all of the “five or six” who did interview Clinton.

He was then asked, “did she testify or talk to them under oath?” Comey answered, “No.” But added that “it’s still a crime to lie to us.”

When asked if there was a transcript of the interview, Comey stated that there wasn’t one because the interview wasn’t recorded, but there was an analysis of Clinton’s interview."

COMEY NEEDS TO BE REMOVED.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 07, 2016, 02:21:06 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 05, 2016, 11:52:51 AM

Quote from: Slumba on July 05, 2016, 11:40:52 AM
Every other person with a classified clearance I have talked to, disagreed with your interpretation.

Have they read the law? I have. I'm certain you'll find the word "intent" as a requirement in the statute.

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 37 › § 793
18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

Paragraph 2 is directly on point.

Read section (f).

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 07, 2016, 02:31:40 PM

I am not a lawyer and bb is, so I bow to his expertise but I think we agree on the point he is alluding to.

The paragraph Shakespear refers to is (b) and it refers to intent, but not in isolation, it refers to paragraph (a) which is specific about intent to harm the USA. That is a specific form of intent and was not, as far as I am aware, under investigation. Nobody was suggesting that she is a spy or otherwise traitorous - albeit some might think she is a traitor.

Paragraph (f) on the other hand makes it clear that bunking off with stuff is an offence, there needs to be no maleficent intent, the simple act of taking and keeping is enough to form the offence.

That's been my understanding since the early days of this before we were all being instant Google experts. This is why I think that Comey was playing a relatively sophisticated game that might well be about self preservation. He has made the issue of intent a part of the framing of the discourse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 07, 2016, 02:51:49 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 07, 2016, 02:21:06 PM

Read section (f).

Comey explained that the law enacted in 1917 is one that legal experts question if it is Constitutional. It has only been used once since it was placed on the books for an espionage case.

Not sayin' I agree with the man. Just sayin' that's what he said.

But I do agree that Comey "handed" Hillary the November election because of his decision.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 07, 2016, 03:05:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 07, 2016, 02:51:49 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 07, 2016, 02:21:06 PM

Read section (f).

Comey explained that the law enacted in 1917 is one that legal experts question if it is Constitutional. It has only been used once since it was placed on the books for an espionage case. It has only been used once since it was placed on the books for an espionage case.

Not sayin' I agree with the man. Just sayin' that's what he said.

But I do agree that Comey "handed" Hillary the November election because of his decision.

Comey, in stating that Clinton's handing of her emails involved "extreme carelessness", laid out a case for gross negligence, point blank. Indeed, her destruction of evidence, e.g. 34,000 emails, practically *screams* intent.

Of course, you don't have to take my word for it. Here's former NYC mayor, and former US Atty for the SDNY, Rudi Giuliani: FBI Was Wrong Not to Recommend Charges (http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/rudy-giuliani-fbi-was-wrong-to-not-recommend-charges/).

It should be noted that Giuliani is a "Clinton Foe", but also that Comey worked for Rudi for 2-3 years at the Southern District as an AUSA.

If Hillary was an FBI Agent, a SecState nominee, or, I dunno, a respected General, she'd have been disciplined/fired. Comey said as much (at least w/r/t the FBI) this morning during his testimony--I caught part of it on the radio while I was driving.

Bottom Line: Comey didn't want to pull the trigger on a difficult decision.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 07, 2016, 03:18:14 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 07, 2016, 03:05:59 PM

If Hillary was an FBI Agent, a SecState nominee, or, I dunno, a respected General, she'd have been disciplined/fired. Comey said as much (at least w/r/t the FBI) this morning during his testimony--I caught part of it on the radio while I was driving.

Ya know, to me the best question raised during the whole 5 hours of testimony was in the last 20 minutes when they were asking what consequences would Hillary be subject to as a result of her actions. That was also when he admitted that Hillary's 3 1/2 interview was not recorded or transcribed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 07, 2016, 04:32:21 PM

The more I read, it might be possible Hillary might not yet be out of the woods.
She after all did lie under oath.

Chaffetz: We Will Refer Hillary Clinton to the FBI for Perjury

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/07/perjury-hillary-clinton-chaffetz-comey/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 07, 2016, 05:54:11 PM

What we are discussing in fact is do we wish prefer Hilary or Trump as the next president.

I find both to be ugly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 07, 2016, 06:11:19 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 07, 2016, 05:54:11 PM

What we are discussing in fact is do we wish prefer Hilary or Trump as the next president.

I find both to be ugly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 07, 2016, 07:52:31 PM

Couple rumors floating around as to who Trumps VP, pick might be.
Newt Gingrich is looking to be the front runner, and I think he's got the position.

Ivanka Trump has also been thrown into the mix for a possible VP pick.
What do you think about a Trump/Trump ticket representing the Republicans this November?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 07, 2016, 10:26:56 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 07, 2016, 07:52:31 PM

Couple rumors floating around as to who Trumps VP, pick might be.
Newt Gingrich is looking to be the front runner, and I think he's got the position.

I think this is Trump's best move. Gingrich is an important power player in the GOP, helps Trump in the South and, oddly enough, social conservatives, and is an excellent debater.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 07, 2016, 11:38:49 PM

I read a suggestion that might have some merit the other day.

The idea was that had the FBI recommended indictment then, by default they'd have also selected the next president, and that's not a good thing. This was about the credibility of the president and government. It is necessary for the electorate to make the choice.

By outlining the case as he did Comey has enabled the electorate make an informed choice though forcing it upon them. The suggestion being that Comey has chosen to sacrifice his credibility and perhaps his career to this principalled purpose.

If the people want to choose a dishonest, unprincipled incompetent as president that is their choice. It was not the task of the FBI to deny them that choice. Worse, if Trump became president under such circumstances he'd always lack the credibility of voters choice and thus be a lame duck from the outset.

This explains why Comey so carefully laid out the case for indictment and then refused to pull the trigger. It was important that he told us that she had broken laws, that she was guilty but that it was not practical to prosecute her. It'd also tally with my understanding that there was more going on with his statement the other day than was immediately apparent.

In this reading of the situation prosecution would not have been the right choice. This reading is also consistent with a scenario in which Comey and/or the FBI had been nobbled by external influences.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on July 08, 2016, 01:22:40 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 07, 2016, 11:38:49 PM

The idea was that had the FBI recommended indictment then, by default they'd have also selected the next president, and that's not a good thing. This was about the credibility of the president and government. It is necessary for the electorate to make the choice.

Although this might sound credible from a superficial view, it doesn't hold water under scrutiny.

The elections are in 3 months. They haven't even pronounced Hillary their candidate yet, but she does hold all the cards.

The Democrats bet on the wrong horse, and they KNEW about it when they pushed her forward. This email thing isn't something that popped up today. I think that Bernie S. now wishes he had 'talked about her damn emails' in more detail! hehehehe.

Still, there is some time left to dump Clinton and push forward a new nominee. If the democrats were what they say they are, they should pull Hillary Clinton this instant for even being investigated and disqualify her, for reason andrew stated.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 08, 2016, 01:32:37 AM

No, she's 'The One'.

But even if they put forward a backup candidate, without the brand recognition, degree of embededness in the system of which Hilary is a part and, popular - if misguided - support such a substitution would fail and that is exactly the same place just 'allowing' Trump to win.

For an election to be credible the candidates need to be those who are most capable of winning - all else is just a sham.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on July 08, 2016, 01:57:37 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 08, 2016, 01:32:37 AM

For an election to be credible the candidates need to be those who are most capable of winning - all else is just a sham.

If you can't trust Hillary with state-secrets, would you trust her with the nations pensions, or the nations nuclear arsenal to play with? She's untrustworthy and therefore should be eliminated from the road to presidency asap , so she can pursue a career that might be more accurate for her. Say mob-accountant.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 08, 2016, 02:15:02 AM

Markje, that's EXACTLY the point.

You know she ain't trustworthy, I know she ain't, but the people of the US have to make that choice, for good or ill. To that extent I agree entirely with Scott Adams' suggestion.

It isn't about Clinton; if Scott is right, this is about the United States. A few days ago I wrote about how the US was at a tipping point. Well, it would seem that Scott Adams thinks so too and that he also thinks that Comey may be of the same opinion.

No matter how good, or bad, Trump might be as a president, if he wins because there was no effective opposition (which WOULD be the case if Clinton is indicted) then forever after the presidency would be tainted by the suggestion that he would not have won were it not for the forced withdrawal of Clinton. That'd be used against him during his presidency by his opponents and even his supporters.

The only way to have a credible president and thus presidency is for the candidate to be chosen in the fire of open election. (and yes, I also and conflictngly, think that the process is hugely flawed but millions of Americans do not think the same way as I do.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 08, 2016, 02:37:57 AM

Quote from: Markje on July 08, 2016, 01:57:37 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 08, 2016, 01:32:37 AM
For an election to be credible the candidates need to be those who are most capable of winning - all else is just a sham.
If you can't trust Hillary with state-secrets, would you trust her with the nations pensions, or the nations nuclear arsenal to play with? She's untrustworthy and therefore should be eliminated from the road to presidency asap , so she can pursue a career that might be more accurate for her. Say mob-accountant.

This is the bigger problem and what seems to escape the attention of those who were so happy with the leave vote in UK.

The politicians will not do the wish of the public. Sorry one and all.

It is for the reason that Trump is popular. He seems to be anti-politician but the reality his past accomplishments paint a different picture.

While Andrew and I tend to disagree I suspect he understands my viewpoint and can expand on it. Nep

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 08, 2016, 02:45:33 AM

Before you all get too lovey on Comey you might take a gander at this little piece.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/comey-has-long-history-of-clinton-related-cases/

And then there is Trump who today thanked Comey for the non indictment because it would have been much tougher going up against Bernie.

Comey was either honest or dishonest in his reason not to indict but he for sure left enough garbage to haunt her up to the election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on July 08, 2016, 02:48:01 AM

Bottom line:
What awful choices for presidents you guys have this elections.

It seems that you out-do yourself every election to come up with worse candidates than previous time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 08, 2016, 03:01:30 AM

Bagalia, strategically, no matter how the Clinton issue plays out it can be seen a positive for Trump and certainly will be spun that way.

I think that Trump is correct, opposing Sanders would be much harder than Clinton - but he'd still win. But there's no way that, absent weird shit happening, that Clinton will not be the nominee and Trump knows it.

Trump's goal is to win the election - he will not care too much about other candidates falling dead, going to prison or whatever, his goal is clear and fixed.

My points about Comey are not about Trump winning the election but about the much more important issue of how the US sees itself and how others see it.

In my view there's no way in which Comey could come from this matter unscathed. We already know, because Obama told us, that an indictment of Clinton was not going to fly. Many assume that he has been nobbled in some way by threats or blandishments. We know that Comey stands at the head of a team of people, most of whom hold their tasks in very high esteem. He had to find a way to optimally satisfy all the constraints upon him. I am certain that had he not made the statement in the form he did that morale in the FBI would be even lower than it probably is today. He was sending a coded message to the operatives working on the Clinton case and many others that he understood the situation and those people will be unhappy but understand that their leader did not roll over like a neutered poodle.

I think that he has achieved that goal whilst making sure that we all know about Clinton that she DID break many laws, that she IS unsuitable to be president but also that prosecution of her was simply not going to happen. Remember that his words were only a recommendation, not an instruction. Lynch had already told us that she was going to slope her shoulder. Comey knew about this and he is nobody's fool.

As for previous 'connections', well, I know that at this level the universe of players is very small. It'd be more surprising, and less likely, that Comey was not involved with previous cases

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 08, 2016, 07:27:06 AM

Trump’s Advisor in Moscow - Jabs McCain, Says US and Russia Can Cooperate

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/trumps-advisor-moscow-jabs-mccain-says-us-russia-can-cooperate

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 09, 2016, 01:54:34 PM

My head was ready to explode at Comey's de-facto pardon of Hillary by refusing to prosecute - until a wise voice in the woods piped up and said Comey just handed Trump a soft ball in the middle of the strike range and all Trump has to do is hit it out of the park - a baseball/softball metaphor that in reality means NO Hillary Rotten Clintons indictment then NO conviction and NO Obama sleazy pardon.

Trump has enough material for about a dozen focused attack ads on how Hillary is both emotionally and morally bankrupt and so corrupt and crooked that she has no business even being in the race for CiC/POTUS.

Now with this result - a Trump administration is sworn in and a new Attorney General appointed and perhaps a new FBI director or just keep Comey in the hot seat as he knows where all the Clintons bodies are buried - and call up a proper grand Jury to present the Evidence and let the Grand Jury in proper secret testimonies - follow the evidence and bring appropriate charges and prosecute Hillery and convict her driving a stake into the beating hearts of the blood sucking Clinton Vampires for good and eliminate her as a candidate in 4 more years...

The Grand Jury and Courts convicts the George Soros Globalist minions the Clintons and outs the many slimy anti-American dealings of the Clinton Foundation and Clinton Globalists initiatives - scares off the Obama Universal Globalists from following in the Clintons well-trod corrupt crooked anti-American pro Globalists Open Society Open Borders footsteps - and VIOLA - The Trumpian Pro USA American Nationalists consolidate their power and the Legal System drives the Clintons very own stakes of their makings through their treasonous globalists hearts fracturing the Globalists traitors alliances for at least a generation or two (Ivanka, Don and Eric next in line) until the Next generation of Chamberlain/Soros globalists appeasers come to power - by then America will be Truly Great, Safe and prosperous again and able to fight the Globalists if not outright eliminate them like the KKK and Nazis and Black Panthers as well as BLM terrorists.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 09, 2016, 02:02:47 PM

The biggest problem that Trump faces in dealing with the Clinton lies and skullduggery is that the electorate care little for facts -we see that all the time in broad terms and here in more local, individual terms.

So, how does Trump get across to the US electorate in terms of FEELZ that Clinton is a liar, untrustworthy and unqualified to be president without using facts?

He has done really well so far in dealing with the US peoples propensity to deal only in FEELZ whilst actually getting across his policy objectives but this one is harder because Americans like authority, they defer to it and prefer to do so. When the highest authority, the president is out pounding the stump with the most dishonest woman in America most USAians are going to say to themselves 'well, she must be OK or the president would not support her'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 11, 2016, 01:01:17 PM

I pray the Republican Party will come to their senses before they just hand the November election to Hillary Clinton.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7337/exclusive-dump-trump-rnc-delegate-leader-we-have-daily-wire

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 11, 2016, 01:58:07 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 11, 2016, 01:01:17 PM

I pray the Republican Party will come to their senses before they just hand the November election to Hillary Clinton.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7337/exclusive-dump-trump-rnc-delegate-leader-we-have-daily-wire

At this point, it would appear that there is no other person who has a chance vs. Hillary, than Trump. He made the proper calls early and will look like he knows what he is doing.

Months ago he was praising the police - in the wake of the shootings of police he looks rather prescient.

He said "we need a wall" and that Muslim immigration should be restricted - look at Cologne, Germany on New Year's Eve - 1200 women assaulted. Rotherham etc.

Now the French are saying that migrants may cause a civil war: http://www.infowars.com/head-of-french-police-migrant-sex-assaults-could-trigger-civil-war/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 11, 2016, 02:15:37 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 11, 2016, 01:01:17 PM

I pray the Republican Party will come to their senses before they just hand the November election to Hillary Clinton.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7337/exclusive-dump-trump-rnc-delegate-leader-we-have-daily-wire

Who then would be the RATs Choice to lead the republicans to victory?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 11, 2016, 02:52:25 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 11, 2016, 02:15:37 PM

Who then would be the RATs Choice to lead the republicans to victory?

ANYBODY but Trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 11, 2016, 06:17:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 11, 2016, 02:52:25 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 11, 2016, 02:15:37 PM
Who then would be the RATs Choice to lead the republicans to victory?

ANYBODY but Trump

Then I propose Alfred E. Newman.

You still live with your nose jammed in the establishment. Bernie is anti-establishment and you know he will not be allowed to win. Cruz is a politician but anti-establishment and will not be allowed to win. Trump is anti-establishment but not a politician and there it is. The only perfect GOP savior that can do no wrong and will lead us to Nirvana will be Joe Biden or some other establishment hack that again will do nothing.

Hillary will continue the work of Obama more or less. Any GOP add in will continue on in the traditional sense. He will say good things and then cave in, in the traditional way they always do thus continuing Obama's road to a changed America. There just has to come a time when lies are known to be lies.

So here we are. The media likes chaos and will sell either side off the other. You really cannot believe what the media says. As the media is mostly liberal that goes double for Hillary but in general, if you hear something from the media then just ignore it. If you hear something from the GOP then ignore that also because Trump is the establishments worst nightmare. You can only believe in what trump says and the fact he is not a politician.

Now as for what he says, he talks off the cuff. Take away Obama's teleprompter and he is at a loss for words. He does not talk to Putin with a teleprompter. We have no idea what these people say to each other because government is all about secrecy. I will believe that they talk pretty much like normal people. You can fault Trump for speaking off the cuff and he does make mistakes but he is real instead of a big lie. He often gives a general meaning without getting into specifics which can change things. He often believes in something popular but must change it a bit as he learns more. He is also like many other famous candidates, VPs and Presidents in that he makes mistakes in what he says.

The point is that he is a normal guy in many ways and not a politician. People do not expect him to be perfect as is the teleprompter or a poll driven speech. We know he wants what we want and he may bend a bit, may not even be able to make something happen but he is real and will at least do his best to do these things.

His demeanor is what got him as far as he is now. He has tapped into the anger of the people. If it works then keep doing it until it is time to change. It is up to him as to when and not the people who lost. There are some well done documentaries out there that will show you near 40 years of Trump interviews where he calmly and politely says the exact same things he runs on now. You might think him a different person but with the same views. He has been a fairly consistent guy and a nice guy, but nice guys finish last.

In the end you may possibly throw your vote away on a candidate who others feel cannot win. Those others who will do anything to keep him from winning. You can vote the same tired way you have always voted and get the exact same results. You can also stand for something you believe in and even if you lose you will have stood for what you believe in. In Trumps case the anti-establishment figure. You can refuse to step into the same hole over and over again.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 11, 2016, 07:30:15 PM

Unbelievable!

Federal Judge Rules for Anti-Trump GOP Delegate

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/judge-va-trump-delegate-unbound-voting-him-rnc-n607461

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 11, 2016, 07:59:56 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 11, 2016, 07:30:15 PM

Unbelievable!

VERY Believable

52% of Republicans don't want Trump.

This sets the stage for a coup in Cleveland next week.

Best thing that could possibly happen to the Republican Party in this election cycle.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 11, 2016, 08:31:22 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 11, 2016, 07:59:56 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 11, 2016, 07:30:15 PM
Unbelievable!

VERY Believable

52% of Republicans don't want Trump.

This sets the stage for a coup in Cleveland next week.

Best thing that could possibly happen to the Republican Party in this election cycle.

It will be the "Vatican II" of the RNC if so. A spectacular full-spectrum suicide attempt in full view of the public.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 11, 2016, 08:44:11 PM

Thing is the only say that the average Joe has in the presidential election is voting to choose the candidate. If the delegates refuse to honor the voters choice, then it's no longer a democracy. About 14 million voters rights taken away. That's wrong from any perspective.
God forbid Hillary gets elected, but the republican party had 8 years to groom a decent candidate. They failed and Trump easily won against the best the republicans had to offer.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 11, 2016, 09:06:43 PM

I commented a couple months ago Trump would get a bump in Hispanic support. He seems to be fairing as well or slightly better than McCain and Romney did.

Trump supporters are celebrating his poll numbers with Hispanics as a validation of his rhetoric.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/11/trump-supporters-are-celebrating-his-poll-numbers-with-hispanics-as-a-validation-of-his-rhetoric/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 11, 2016, 10:02:35 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 11, 2016, 07:30:15 PM

Unbelievable!

Federal Judge Rules for Anti-Trump GOP Delegate

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/judge-va-trump-delegate-unbound-voting-him-rnc-n607461

I knew 30 years ago that delegates were able to vote differently. It was also known that if they did so it would be their last time as a delegate. Face it, you are expected to vote as bound. If this is no longer the case then nobody has control any longer, not the people, the state or the party, just every delegate for himself. So as already stated, this kind of tactic is not going to happen. The guy will have his credentials removed and he will be shown the door and replaced.

But all is not really what it seems because we are dealing with the media. What really occurred in the court was an old, vague "winner take all" scenario was ruled unconstitutional. The state had already changed to a proportional system. So nothing has really changed. 1st vote will still be bound.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/anti-trump-delegate-wins-portion-lawsuit-40503454

Modified: Of course the rules committee can change the bound/unbound rules all they want but they will not have the votes. The court case is bad for everyone but in this particular case it means very little for Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 12, 2016, 01:33:17 PM

When it comes to Hillary's poor judgment, and horrific job performance, Trump should be able to smoke Hillary in the general election!

Hillary Clinton as Damaged Goods

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/hillary-clinton-damaged-goods/ri15534

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 12, 2016, 03:42:28 PM

The reports of Hillary's political death have been exaggerated.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/hillary-clinton-s-lead-over-trump-shrinks-after-controversial-week-n607351

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 12, 2016, 03:52:13 PM

Here's an analysis that we've seen before, but not since Comey's announcement.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-07-12/college-poll

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 12, 2016, 03:58:29 PM

... and Lewandowski is still an idiot:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/11/trump-supporters-are-celebrating-his-poll-numbers-with-hispanics-as-a-validation-of-his-rhetoric/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 12, 2016, 05:16:56 PM

Virtually no news coming out about the AG Loretta Lynch congressional hearing this morning except to say she wasn't talking.

That was an understatement really as at one point she was told that she had refused or could not reply over 74 times. Actually, I do not believe that she answered any Hillary question put to her during the 2.5 hour hearing to include simple word definitions within the statutes. Virtually no black or white answers as to what is legal or illegal. Everything had to be seen as an individual case so just cannot say what is illegal. She should have just taken the fifth and saved the time.

This whole affair just looks more and more weird every day.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?412357-1/attorney-general-loretta-lynch-testifies-capitol-hill&live

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 12, 2016, 05:41:38 PM

It's not difficult to find polls showing Trump crushing Hillary.
But we seen just recently how well polls across the pond reflect the actual voting.

Trump Tops Clinton In New Presidential Poll

http://www.cigaraficionado.com/webfeatures/show/id/trump-tops-clinton-in-new-presidential-poll-18902

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 12, 2016, 08:18:59 PM

Trump is doing great; he's only about 170 electoral votes behind.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 12, 2016, 09:29:48 PM

Quote from: TomT on July 12, 2016, 08:18:59 PM

Trump is doing great; he's only about 170 electoral votes behind.

May these words haunt your dreams...

"Hog slaughter"

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 13, 2016, 03:38:48 PM

If Trump can find a message that resonates with Sander's supporters, he might just win over a fair amount.

Trump just needs 'angry' Sanders voters to win—commentary

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/12/trump-just-needs-angry-sanders-voters-to-win-commentary.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 13, 2016, 07:01:15 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 13, 2016, 03:38:48 PM

If Trump can find a message that resonates with Sander's supporters, he might just win over a fair amount.

Trump just needs 'angry' Sanders voters to win—commentary

No Trump needs them (the angry Sanders voters) to vote for Trump. It is nice to hope and wish, but please do not hold your breath.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 14, 2016, 06:58:59 PM

It's not yet official, but most likely who will be Trumps running mate.
Trump will not be having a news conference on Friday to name the VP, or to confirm it's Pence, due to the latest tragedy in Nice France.

POLITICS

Indiana Gov. Mike Pence is Donald Trump's VP pick

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/2016/07/14/report-pence-trumps-vp-pick/87075866/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 15, 2016, 10:54:29 AM

And so the anti-Trump group inside the convention is doomed. Probable a few protesters will speak up is all.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/15/anti-trump-factions-lose-at-rnc-rules-meeting-but-vow-to-take-fight-to-floor/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 15, 2016, 12:57:13 PM

Trump will officially announced Mike Pence as his VP choice tomorrow, but he did tweet that he has chosen Pence.

So does anyone think Trump made the best choice?
Personally I wanted Newt Gingrich, But Pence seems a reasonable choice.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/donald-trump-vice-presidential-choice/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 15, 2016, 01:11:19 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 15, 2016, 12:57:13 PM

Trump will officially announced Mike Pence as his VP choice tomorrow, but he did tweet that he has chosen Pence.

I think it's a safe choice for both the Party and for Trump.

Pence's replacement candidate for Indiana Governor will have little chance losing the seat for the Republicans. Pence will help shore up the party's christian conservative base; a segment that stayed at home in the last election. He's non-controversial and knows government policy well from his days as a member of the House.

Trump is not going to win but I think his intentions are to slate Gingrich for Secretary of State and Christy for Attorney General.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 15, 2016, 01:43:29 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 15, 2016, 01:11:19 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 15, 2016, 12:57:13 PM
Trump will officially announced Mike Pence as his VP choice tomorrow, but he did tweet that he has chosen Pence.

I think it's a safe choice for both the Party and for Trump.

Pence's replacement candidate for Indiana Governor will have little chance losing the seat for the Republicans. Pence will help shore up the party's christian conservative base; a segment that stayed at home in the last election. He's non-controversial and knows government policy well from his days as a member of the House.

Trump is not going to win but I think his intentions are to slate Gingrich for Secretary of State and Christy for Attorney General.

Shakespeare, you have convinced yourself that Trump is not a viable candidate, but it's incredible how many people I have heard praising Trump, and will be voting for him.
Trump may very well win by the largest margin in U.S.history.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 15, 2016, 06:29:58 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 15, 2016, 01:43:29 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 15, 2016, 01:11:19 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on July 15, 2016, 12:57:13 PM
Trump will officially announced Mike Pence as his VP choice tomorrow, but he did tweet that he has chosen Pence.

I think it's a safe choice for both the Party and for Trump.

Pence's replacement candidate for Indiana Governor will have little chance losing the seat for the Republicans. Pence will help shore up the party's christian conservative base; a segment that stayed at home in the last election. He's non-controversial and knows government policy well from his days as a member of the House.

Trump is not going to win but I think his intentions are to slate Gingrich for Secretary of State and Christy for Attorney General.

Shakespeare, you have convinced yourself that Trump is not a viable candidate, but it's incredible how many people I have heard praising Trump, and will be voting for him.
Trump may very well win by the largest margin in U.S.history.

I suspect if you look at the list of people who will NOT be at the Republican Convention next week it might help some understand how divided the Grand Ole party is.

I suspect Shakes is part of this group.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 15, 2016, 10:24:41 PM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 16, 2016, 08:28:13 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/07/13/polls_show_clinton_lead_slipping_in_key_swing_states_131183.html

Instead of using traditional critical thinking and examining all of the data before drawing conclusions, start with a conclusion, search for evidence that supports it and disregard anything that does not. This is exactly what Hiatt did in the article cited above; his focus was on the most right-leaning polls that he could find, especially Rasmussen which is leaning so far that it rivals the tower of Pisa.

I can't be certain whether his goal was to give the no-hopers hope, to put his ignorance/biases/delusions on display or some combination of the above. One thing that works in his favor, however, is short attention spans. If/when Trump suffers a humiliating loss in November, no one (except myself) will remember idiot Hyatt. Similarly, no one (except myself and very few others) remembers that Rasmussen called election 2012 for Romney and was off by nearly five points.

One thing that readers should take away from this topic is that Rasmussen is not averse to humiliating themselves because they must surely know that the vast majority of people who read polls aren't any smarter than writers like Hyatt and can't even remember what they had for breakfast, much less what a pollster predicted last year, last month or yesterday. Readers should also bear in mind that Trump needs to win almost all of the battleground states to be elected. As can be seen from the image below, Clinton's slippage has been exaggerated.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 18, 2016, 01:42:40 PM

I was anxious to watch the 60 Minutes program on Sunday to learn more about Pence during the interview.

The interview was a joke. First of all, the questions were loaded by the interviewer who was trying to cause conflict between Trump and Pence. Second, every time Pence tried to answer a question, Trump would interrupt and answer it for him.

It is clear that Trump has no notion of the concept of compromise. Do you really think he has the temperament to be President of the united States?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 18, 2016, 03:27:38 PM

As predicted, the removal of Trump as the Republican candidate is starting today in Cleveland.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/288205-gop-passes-rules-vote-over-outcry-from-trump-opponents

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 18, 2016, 04:22:47 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2016, 03:27:38 PM

As predicted, the removal of Trump as the Republican candidate is starting today in Cleveland.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/288205-gop-passes-rules-vote-over-outcry-from-trump-opponents

Didn't seem to get the support needed. Trump all the way to the white house. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 18, 2016, 07:01:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2016, 03:27:38 PM

As predicted, the removal of Trump as the Republican candidate is starting today in Cleveland.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/288205-gop-passes-rules-vote-over-outcry-from-trump-opponents

As predicted, the anti-Trumps in a last minute, desperate move to change the rules, lost miserably. These are the same few people that are turning our poor Shakespears mind into gruel. They keep saying they have the perfect way to trump Trump and then they say they have tons of support. In the end they only have half-baked ideas and not enough backing to make a dent. They cannot even pull together the pro Cruz delegates to support them.

Perhaps the good thing to come out of this is that the small amount of anti's is now known for what it is and the party is coming together to support the Donald and smash the whiners.

They still believe that they have a plan z. During the vote they will sing "we will overcome" followed by "they're coming to take me away, haha hehe to the funny farm".

The big question is can Shakey be saved before he falls off the cliff?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 18, 2016, 07:53:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2016, 01:42:40 PM

I was anxious to watch the 60 Minutes program on Sunday to learn more about Pence during the interview.

The interview was a joke. First of all, the questions were loaded by the interviewer who was trying to cause conflict between Trump and Pence. Second, every time Pence tried to answer a question, Trump would interrupt and answer it for him.

It is clear that Trump has no notion of the concept of compromise. Do you really think he has the temperament to be President of the united States?

I personally am not sure that anyone believes Trump will do much compromising, at least not in the form that Republicans subscribe to. He is wanted to be a strong figure, something like the Democrats idea of compromise where they do whatever they wish using a shell of the bill that republicans created and pushing it thru.

Pence is nothing really, or at best he gives hope to those who would like to believe in the fantasy that there are two sides to the coin. You may fit into that group. He has only one duty besides being a Trump ambassador so his views are only as important as who will be in second place should Trump not survive his term. He already has a long track record so his views are already known. Trump is wise to make it known from the start that he is in charge. In the future, Pence will likely embarrass the Donald just as most VP's have done in the past up to Biden in the present. Just don't set him loose right now and try to keep a grip on him later. Grab some free air time along the way.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 19, 2016, 01:58:36 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2016, 03:27:38 PM

As predicted, the removal of Trump as the Republican candidate is starting today in Cleveland.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/288205-gop-passes-rules-vote-over-outcry-from-trump-opponents

Result > EPIC FAIL

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 19, 2016, 06:09:12 AM

Some folks need to remove themselves from the predicting business, it is a business where accuracy is everything.

People who are bad at predicting might do better at taking up the writing of fiction?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 19, 2016, 07:55:06 AM

Poll: Clinton and Trump Now Tied as GOP Convention Kicks Off

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-clinton-trump-now-tied-gop-convention-kicks-n611936

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 19, 2016, 09:14:35 AM

This sums it up perfectly . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 19, 2016, 10:55:45 AM

Clinton is 2.7 points ahead of Trump.

Incidentally, Melania's speech was remarkable and Manifort's insistence that the words that she was stumbling over were her own was the icing on the cake.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 19, 2016, 02:00:45 PM

That Melania thing is interesting. I am sure there's more to this than we know about.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 19, 2016, 02:20:02 PM

Expect a bit more drama to play out before Trump gets the nomination.
The folks from COLORADO can't take NO for an answer.

Trump Set to Become GOP's Official Presidential Nominee

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-conventions/trump-set-become-gop-s-official-presidential-nominee-n612616

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 19, 2016, 02:30:24 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 19, 2016, 02:00:45 PM

That Melania thing is interesting. I am sure there's more to this than we know about.

It's no accident that Melania's speech mirrored the first ladies. Politics are a dirty business, where even those working for you can't always be trusted.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 19, 2016, 02:34:03 PM

What's everyone talking about today? Melania Trump.

They are showing pics side by side of Melania Trump and the current First Lady. Visually, that says "these two are equal" that is, it is OK for Melania to be First Lady.

Trump and/or his advisers probably stuck that line in there on purpose, for precisely that effect.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on July 19, 2016, 06:40:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 19, 2016, 09:14:35 AM

This sums it up perfectly . . . . . . . .

Shakey, NOT accepting the democratic decision of your fellow countrymen, is becoming extremely Mobyesque..

Are you brothers perchance?? :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 19, 2016, 07:06:26 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on July 19, 2016, 06:40:15 PM

Shakey, NOT accepting the democratic decision of your fellow countrymen, is becoming extremely Mobyesque..

Are you brothers perchance?? :coffeeread:

Only 39% of Republicans voted for Trump

That means I'm actually in the majority.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on July 19, 2016, 07:33:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 19, 2016, 07:06:26 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on July 19, 2016, 06:40:15 PM
Shakey, NOT accepting the democratic decision of your fellow countrymen, is becoming extremely Mobyesque..

Are you brothers perchance?? :coffeeread:

Only 39% of Republicans voted for Trump

That means I'm actually in the majority.

Are you suggesting that these 61% that did not vote for Trump will not vote for him in the future?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on July 19, 2016, 08:34:44 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 19, 2016, 07:06:26 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on July 19, 2016, 06:40:15 PM
Shakey, NOT accepting the democratic decision of your fellow countrymen, is becoming extremely Mobyesque..

Are you brothers perchance?? :coffeeread:

Only 39% of Republicans voted for Trump

That means I'm actually in the majority.

Shake you need to understand a little more about this.
There is a financial model that also used the popularity of the present president and a number of economy indicators. This model show almost no chance for a republican victory. We would have to have a major melt down in the next 90 days for this model to give the republicans any real chance.
There is also a model that deals with the candidates and funds they have raised. Hilleary has a war chest of over 240 million dollars and has paid grass root staff in every state. Trump has 1.2 million dollars and is barely able to pay his New York staff. This model also give almost no chance for a Trump win.

The trouble is nobody the republicans could possible run would likely do any better. So why not let Trump spend the money and lose it. There is a real good chance Hilleary will make such a mess of it that she will likely be a one termer who will make anything republican popular for many years to come. Actually I think she will get impeached for crimes that she has already done but we are not yet able to prove.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 19, 2016, 09:46:49 PM

Quote from: yankee on July 19, 2016, 07:33:17 PM

Are you suggesting that these 61% that did not vote for Trump will not vote for him in the future?

I'm suggesting that a large number of them, perhaps 20-25% of all Republicans will stay home and not vote at all or will protest vote for Gary Johnson.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 19, 2016, 09:51:07 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on July 19, 2016, 08:34:44 PM

There is a financial model that also used the popularity of the present president and a number of economy indicators. This model show almost no chance for a republican victory.

With Trump as the Republican candidate, I've been saying this all along.

The REAL Republican Party is expending all their funds on state and local elections so as to continue to hold legislative power in Congress and in the state legislatures. They are not wasting money on a failed Trump campaign. Not too much damage Hillary can do if Republicans continue to hold the Senate. They're counting on a one-term Clinton Presidency.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 19, 2016, 09:59:11 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 19, 2016, 09:51:07 PM

Not too much damage Hillary can do if Republicans continue to hold the Senate. They're counting on a one-term Clinton Presidency.

She can do a shit-ton of damage with judicial appointments. If H-Rod wins, the first order of business that the Senate should undertake the morning after the election is to confirm Garland.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 20, 2016, 11:49:25 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 19, 2016, 09:59:11 PM

She can do a shit-ton of damage with judicial appointments.

Not if the Senate doesn't approve them :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 20, 2016, 01:20:11 PM

Election Update: Clinton’s Lead Is As Safe As Kerry’s Was In 2004

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-clintons-lead-is-as-safe-as-kerrys-was-in-2004/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 20, 2016, 01:23:45 PM

Trump actually has gained in his virtual Electoral count, and has a REAL shot at winning.

Trump Pulls to 266-272 Virtual Electoral Tie Today

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/18/polls-trump-electoral-edge-today/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 20, 2016, 02:06:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 20, 2016, 11:49:25 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 19, 2016, 09:59:11 PM
She can do a shit-ton of damage with judicial appointments.

Not if the Senate doesn't approve them :nod:

We can agree on that. Problem though is they would approve them or second worst.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 20, 2016, 03:13:05 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 20, 2016, 01:23:45 PM

Trump actually has gained in his virtual Electoral count, and has a REAL shot at winning.

Trump Pulls to 266-272 Virtual Electoral Tie Today

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/18/polls-trump-electoral-edge-today/

1) Fact-checking is a dying art.

2) Critical thinking must be completely dead because Breitbart is a conservative news organization.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 20, 2016, 03:35:15 PM

Quote from: TomT on July 20, 2016, 03:13:05 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 20, 2016, 01:23:45 PM
Trump actually has gained in his virtual Electoral count, and has a REAL shot at winning.

Trump Pulls to 266-272 Virtual Electoral Tie Today

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/18/polls-trump-electoral-edge-today/

1) Fact-checking is a dying art.

2) Critical thinking must be completely dead because Breitbart is a conservative news organization.

I think the key word here is virtual! This day and age the word is used to describe things not necessarily to be real.

not physically existing as such but made by software to appear to do so."a virtual computer"synonyms:simulated,artificial, imitation,make-believe;More

The Silent majority, that's what will be the deciding factor of this election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 20, 2016, 06:39:43 PM

Fine; here is my virtual map. It differs from Breitbart's because I'm using real RCP numbers, not make-believe ones.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 20, 2016, 06:42:16 PM

Quote from: TomT on July 20, 2016, 06:39:43 PM

Fine; here is my virtual map. It differs from Breitbart's because I'm using real RCP numbers, not make-believe ones.

All polls are make-believe, until you get to the one in early November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 20, 2016, 06:44:14 PM

^ If it's a Rasmussen poll, that one is make believe any time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 20, 2016, 07:24:47 PM

Quote from: TomT on July 20, 2016, 06:44:14 PM

^ If it's a Rasmussen poll, that one is make believe any time.

Slumba, there is little doubt that Trump, has a very big stone to roll up the mountain to win.You can stay in your fantasy land or look at the reality. Either way it is not pretty.

Can Trump win, perhaps, but I doubt it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 20, 2016, 08:27:04 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 20, 2016, 07:24:47 PM

Quote from: TomT on July 20, 2016, 06:44:14 PM
^ If it's a Rasmussen poll, that one is make believe any time.

Slumba, there is little doubt that Trump, has a very big stone to roll up the mountain to win.You can stay in your fantasy land or look at the reality. Either way it is not pretty.

Can Trump win, perhaps, but I doubt it.

I will be the first person to admit to doubt about who will be elected in November.

This also makes me skeptical of current projections.

Perhaps you were reading this thread when it was questioned whether Trump could even reach the delegate count needed to become the nominee. A healthy skepticism of both candidates is advised.

That said, I do believe that Trump will make a much stronger showing than many think. Going out on a limb, I predict that Trump's debate performance vs. Hillary at debates should be extremely strong. Even further into nutty-land, I would predict about a 75% chance that Trump will win overwhelmingly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 21, 2016, 08:27:12 AM

Ted Cruz's speech last night was positively BRILLIANT!

He KNOWS Trump is going to lose in November and that the Republican Party will be in shambles after Trump's crushing defeat and the prospect of 4 more years of progressive politics leading our country.

His speech has set him up to be the beacon of hope for Republicans in 2020 and beyond. Under his inspiration the Republican Party will rise from the ashes left by the ridiculous and wasted campaign of Trump and return to those Constitutional values that Republicans have stood for since 1854.

Well done Ted Cruz!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 21, 2016, 08:31:57 AM

Quote from: bagalia on July 20, 2016, 02:06:02 PM

We can agree on that. Problem though is they would approve them or second worst.

If Republicans control the Senate just don't approve any judges for Hillary's entire first term. Better still guarantee President Clinton that the Senate will unanimously approve one judge that she nominates if they can suggest a name in return that she will in turn nominate as well. Trade one-for-one. Not sure McConnell has the balls to pull that off but I KNOW Harry Reid wouldn't have a problem with it if the situation was reversed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 21, 2016, 08:34:16 AM

Quote from: Slumba on July 20, 2016, 08:27:04 PM

Going out on a limb, I predict that Trump's debate performance vs. Hillary at debates should be extremely strong.

He would be better off if he sent "the Melania" to debate Hillary. She has been getting a lot of bad press lately but, in her defense, she speaks remarkably fluent English for someone who has been living in the United States for only twenty years. She must have had a good teacher.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on July 21, 2016, 09:16:26 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 21, 2016, 08:27:12 AM

Ted Cruz's speech last night was positively BRILLIANT!

He KNOWS Trump is going to lose in November and that the Republican Party will be in shambles after Trump's crushing defeat and the prospect of 4 more years of progressive politics leading our country.

His speech has set him up to be the beacon of hope for Republicans in 2020 and beyond. Under his inspiration the Republican Party will rise from the ashes left by the ridiculous and wasted campaign of Trump and return to those Constitutional values that Republicans have stood for since 1854.

Well done Ted Cruz!

You mean, like you KNEW Trump was going to lose the nomination.
:ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 21, 2016, 04:14:46 PM

Ted Cruz is an horses ass, but it does show just how stale and shallow minded the republicans have become.
Now as the money comes in, Trump will crush Hillary, and show the rhinos it's a new day and age!

The Latest: Best 1 Day Fundraising Haul for Trump Campaign

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/latest-trump-jr-kasich-briefly-vp-prospect-40763522

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 22, 2016, 12:52:10 AM

What I find interesting about the convention is that Trump entered with 1542 delegates. Cruz gives a big speech about voting your conscience and at the end Trump finishes with 1725 delegate votes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 22, 2016, 02:18:52 AM

Strategically it was a masterstroke for Team Trump to let Cruz undergo public self imolation as he did.

Cruz just committed suicide and has forced the party and supporters to move behind Trump. The effects will not be instant but will be rapid.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Bruce Lee on July 22, 2016, 03:08:21 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 21, 2016, 08:27:12 AM

Ted Cruz's speech last night was positively BRILLIANT!

Funny really, as from a layman's perspective it came across a hell of a lot like "sour grapes"!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 22, 2016, 12:00:47 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 22, 2016, 02:18:52 AM

Strategically it was a masterstroke for Team Trump to let Cruz undergo public self imolation as he did.

Cruz just committed suicide and has forced the party and supporters to move behind Trump. The effects will not be instant but will be rapid.

“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

― Napoléon Bonaparte

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 22, 2016, 12:39:37 PM

Trumps popularity is going to put him in the white house.
Standing room only at the convention last night, I didn't see 39% republican acceptance. Looked to me like nearly every one in the building was cheering for Trump. :party0011:

I too am willing to say at this point, Donald Trump will be elected president this November

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 22, 2016, 01:18:52 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 22, 2016, 12:39:37 PM

I too am willing to say at this point, Donald Trump will be elected president this November

Got some cash to back that statement?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 22, 2016, 02:49:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 22, 2016, 01:18:52 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 22, 2016, 12:39:37 PM
I too am willing to say at this point, Donald Trump will be elected president this November

Got some cash to back that statement?

:laugh:

If Trump does win there will a number of unemployed writers for comedians. Trump will write all the material himself for them free of charge.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 22, 2016, 03:11:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 22, 2016, 01:18:52 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 22, 2016, 12:39:37 PM
I too am willing to say at this point, Donald Trump will be elected president this November

Got some cash to back that statement?

Shakespeare, unfortunately it's illegal in the United states to bet on a presidential election.

So far your predictions, and inside information has not been very reliable, wagering even if legal might not be in your best interest.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 22, 2016, 03:22:11 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 22, 2016, 03:11:28 PM

Shakespeare, unfortunately it's illegal in the United states to bet on a presidential election.

Personal wagers between consenting adults are NOT illegal.

But your reply shows you have no conviction to you statement.

In other words, bullshit walks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 22, 2016, 03:47:31 PM

This could possibly start an exodus of Sanders supporters from the democratic party, to not vote for Hillary in the general election.

Would be great if at some point Hillary's emails would be released

New Hillary leak: Wikileaks releases 20K DNC emails

https://www.rt.com/usa/352710-wikileaks-dnc-hillary-email/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 22, 2016, 09:32:55 PM

At least Trump was telling the truth when he said the system was rigged.
It looks like the democratic party is far from being democratic, at least the republicans allowed the rightful candidate to be nominated.
The DNC, on the other hand, might be faced with legal issues with their biased actions to hand the nomination to Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 23, 2016, 01:51:43 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/22/trump-speech-wins-14-8-million-likely-votes/

When evaluating information, always consider the source... unless it agrees with your preconceived views and biases.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 23, 2016, 05:07:03 PM

Those who expected Clinton's support to fall off a cliff after the Comey announcement are going to be disappointed. The next milestone is to see if the respective campaign bounces amount to anything.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 23, 2016, 06:21:53 PM

In this election, polls will be meaningless.
But for arguments sake Trump has closed the margin, for the moment.

Donald Trump vs. Hillary Clinton latest poll: Post-RNC numbers in the president's race

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/07/donald_trump_vs_hillary_clinto_5.html

Election Update: Is Trump Getting A Convention Bump?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-is-trump-getting-a-convention-bump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 23, 2016, 08:21:08 PM

Michael Moore, rips on Donald Trump in this article, but when you get to the 5 reasons Trump will win, it's a fairly sound analysis.

5 Reasons Why Trump Will Win

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/11156794.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 23, 2016, 10:23:03 PM

Breitbart had a 3 hour showing of "Clinton Cash" which is probably over or close to over now. It is all about the Bill and Hill foundation and is a powerful documentary that will hurt a lot if it can be backed up. If it cannot be backed up it will still be powerful propaganda. Everything from African countries to Canada to Moscow. Speeches to donations to friends and to favors.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 24, 2016, 08:03:21 AM

Polls are always meaningless when one's candidate is behind.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 24, 2016, 09:00:15 AM

Considering Hillary had the backing of a corrupt democratic party pushing for her to be the democratic candidate, Trump is in a great position.

The small lead Hillary may still have will be erased in short order.
The problem with polls this election is there is a silent majority that will not reveal their support for Trump. The real result will be after the election.

Polls should be viewed as entertaining at best, nothing more.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 24, 2016, 09:35:51 AM

Polls tend to be less valuable when they don't capture the relevant universe of respondents.

I'd be surprised if any of the major polls are accurate, that was demonstrated during the primaries. I am sure that the pollsters are working to fix the problem but I reckon that as long as the election is cast as a party based contest that polls will understate for Trump and overstate for Clinton.

The Republican party is Trump's vehicle but he is not a Republican candidate. He is a protest candidate. As soon as a pollster asks about party affiliation the results will be invalidated.

In addition, there's a sense that there's something wrong, unsavoury about allying with Trump and thus a tendency to understate support.

Unless something very unexpected happens Trump will be the next US president. His campaign management is handling and presenting his family very well. The Marching Morons will vote for the family as much as the man. In order to defeat Trump it Is going to be necessary to show that his family are a bunch of pedophile, racist, baby killers and, for sure Team Clinton will be working hard to make that picture.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 24, 2016, 10:52:24 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 24, 2016, 09:35:51 AM

Polls tend to be less valuable when they don't capture the relevant universe of respondents.

I'd be surprised if any of the major polls are accurate, that was demonstrated during the primaries. I am sure that the pollsters are working to fix the problem but I reckon that as long as the election is cast as a party based contest that polls will understate for Trump and overstate for Clinton.

The Republican party is Trump's vehicle but he is not a Republican candidate. He is a protest candidate. As soon as a pollster asks about party affiliation the results will be invalidated.

In addition, there's a sense that there's something wrong, unsavoury about allying with Trump and thus a tendency to understate support.

Unless something very unexpected happens Trump will be the next US president. His campaign management is handling and presenting his family very well. The Marching Morons will vote for the family as much as the man. In order to defeat Trump it Is going to be necessary to show that his family are a bunch of pedophile, racist, baby killers and, for sure Team Clinton will be working hard to make that picture.

It is an interesting assessment - my opinion you will see a big bounce up after the Democrat nomination of Hillary. And than it will become ugly, very ugly.

In the end sanity will prevail. BUT I suspect there is allot of dirty laundry in Her laundry bin that will come out to be washed.

Another guess Donny Boy is going to trash Hillary in the debates.

NB: grammar correction more or less.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 24, 2016, 11:16:39 AM

I noticed that Team Clinton is doing nothing to innoculate the campaign against her misdeeds (something that Team Trump has been effective at doing). That suggests that Team Clinton is of the opinion that innoculation will not work for her - that there's so much dirt and do dirty that desensitisation of the Marching Morons simply won't work, will make matters worse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 24, 2016, 03:51:01 PM

One of America's most notorious, richest and liberal Documentary film makers drops a knowledge bomb:

Michael Moore predicts that Trump will win:
Quote:
Friends:

I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I gave it to you straight last summer when I told you that Donald Trump would be the Republican nominee for president. And now I have even more awful, depressing news for you: Donald J. Trump is going to win in November. This wretched, ignorant, dangerous part-time clown and full time sociopath is going to be our next president. President Trump. Go ahead and say the words, ‘cause you’ll be saying them for the next four years: “PRESIDENT TRUMP.”

Never in my life have I wanted to be proven wrong more than I do right now.

I can see what you’re doing right now. You’re shaking your head wildly – “No, Mike, this won’t happen!” Unfortunately, you are living in a bubble that comes with an adjoining echo chamber where you and your friends are convinced the American people are not going to elect an idiot for president. You alternate between being appalled at him and laughing at him because of his latest crazy comment or his embarrassingly narcissistic stance on everything because everything is about him. And then you listen to Hillary and you behold our very first female president, someone the world respects, someone who is whip-smart and cares about kids, who will continue the Obama legacy because that is what the American people clearly want! Yes! Four more years of this!

You need to exit that bubble right now. You need to stop living in denial and face the truth which you know deep down is very, very real. Trying to soothe yourself with the facts – “77% of the electorate are women, people of color, young adults under 35 and Trump cant win a majority of any of them!” – or logic – “people aren’t going to vote for a buffoon or against their own best interests!” – is your brain’s way of trying to protect you from trauma. Like when you hear a loud noise on the street and you think, “oh, a tire just blew out,” or, “wow, who’s playing with firecrackers?” because you don’t want to think you just heard someone being shot with a gun. It’s the same reason why all the initial news and eyewitness reports on 9/11 said “a small plane accidentally flew into the World Trade Center.” We want to – we need to – hope for the best because, frankly, life is already a shit show and it’s hard enough struggling to get by from paycheck to paycheck. We can’t handle much more bad news. So our mental state goes to default when something scary is actually, truly happening. The first people plowed down by the truck in Nice spent their final moments on earth waving at the driver whom they thought had simply lost control of his truck, trying to tell him that he jumped the curb: “Watch out!,” they shouted. “There are people on the sidewalk!”

Well, folks, this isn’t an accident. It is happening. And if you believe Hillary Clinton is going to beat Trump with facts and smarts and logic, then you obviously missed the past year of 56 primaries and caucuses where 16 Republican candidates tried that and every kitchen sink they could throw at Trump and nothing could stop his juggernaut. As of today, as things stand now, I believe this is going to happen – and in order to deal with it, I need you first to acknowledge it, and then maybe, just maybe, we can find a way out of the mess we’re in.

Don’t get me wrong. I have great hope for the country I live in. Things are better. The left has won the cultural wars. Gays and lesbians can get married. A majority of Americans now take the liberal position on just about every polling question posed to them: Equal pay for women – check. Abortion should be legal – check. Stronger environmental laws – check. More gun control – check. Legalize marijuana – check. A huge shift has taken place – just ask the socialist who won 22 states this year. And there is no doubt in my mind that if people could vote from their couch at home on their X-box or PlayStation, Hillary would win in a landslide.

But that is not how it works in America. People have to leave the house and get in line to vote. And if they live in poor, Black or Hispanic neighborhoods, they not only have a longer line to wait in, everything is being done to literally stop them from casting a ballot. So in most elections it’s hard to get even 50% to turn out to vote. And therein lies the problem for November – who is going to have the most motivated, most inspired voters show up to vote? You know the answer to this question. Who’s the candidate with the most rabid supporters? Whose crazed fans are going to be up at 5 AM on Election Day, kicking ass all day long, all the way until the last polling place has closed, making sure every Tom, Dick and Harry (and Bob and Joe and Billy Bob and Billy Joe and Billy Bob Joe) has cast his ballot? That’s right. That’s the high level of danger we’re in. And don’t fool yourself — no amount of compelling Hillary TV ads, or outfacting him in the debates or Libertarians siphoning votes away from Trump is going to stop his mojo.

Here are the 5 reasons Trump is going to win:

Midwest Math, or Welcome to Our Rust Belt Brexit. I believe Trump is going to focus much of his attention on the four blue states in the rustbelt of the upper Great Lakes – Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. Four traditionally Democratic states – but each of them have elected a Republican governor since 2010 (only Pennsylvania has now finally elected a Democrat). In the Michigan primary in March, more Michiganders came out to vote for the Republicans (1.32 million) that the Democrats (1.19 million). Trump is ahead of Hillary in the latest polls in Pennsylvania and tied with her in Ohio. Tied? How can the race be this close after everything Trump has said and done? Well maybe it’s because he’s said (correctly) that the Clintons’ support of NAFTA helped to destroy the industrial states of the Upper Midwest. Trump is going to hammer Clinton on this and her support of TPP and other trade policies that have royally screwed the people of these four states. When Trump stood in the shadow of a Ford Motor factory during the Michigan primary, he threatened the corporation that if they did indeed go ahead with their planned closure of that factory and move it to Mexico, he would slap a 35% tariff on any Mexican-built cars shipped back to the United States. It was sweet, sweet music to the ears of the working class of Michigan, and when he tossed in his threat to Apple that he would force them to stop making their iPhones in China and build them here in America, well, hearts swooned and Trump walked away with a big victory that should have gone to the governor next-door, John Kasich.

From Green Bay to Pittsburgh, this, my friends, is the middle of England – broken, depressed, struggling, the smokestacks strewn across the countryside with the carcass of what we use to call the Middle Class. Angry, embittered working (and nonworking) people who were lied to by the trickle-down of Reagan and abandoned by Democrats who still try to talk a good line but are really just looking forward to rub one out with a lobbyist from Goldman Sachs who’ll write them nice big check before leaving the room. What happened in the UK with Brexit is going to happen here. Elmer Gantry shows up looking like Boris Johnson and just says whatever shit he can make up to convince the masses that this is their chance! To stick to ALL of them, all who wrecked their American Dream! And now The Outsider, Donald Trump, has arrived to clean house! You don’t have to agree with him! You don’t even have to like him! He is your personal Molotov cocktail to throw right into the center of the *snip*s who did this to you! SEND A MESSAGE! TRUMP IS YOUR MESSENGER!

And this is where the math comes in. In 2012, Mitt Romney lost by 64 electoral votes. Add up the electoral votes cast by Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. It’s 64. All Trump needs to do to win is to carry, as he’s expected to do, the swath of traditional red states from Idaho to Georgia (states that’ll never vote for Hillary Clinton), and then he just needs these four rust belt states. He doesn’t need Florida. He doesn’t need Colorado or Virginia. Just Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. And that will put him over the top. This is how it will happen in November.

The Last Stand of the Angry White Man. Our male-dominated, 240-year run of the USA is coming to an end. A woman is about to take over! How did this happen?! On our watch! There were warning signs, but we ignored them. Nixon, the gender traitor, imposing Title IX on us, the rule that said girls in school should get an equal chance at playing sports. Then they let them fly commercial jets. Before we knew it, Beyoncé stormed on the field at this year’s Super Bowl (our game!) with an army of Black Women, fists raised, declaring that our domination was hereby terminated! Oh, the humanity!

That’s a small peek into the mind of the Endangered White Male. There is a sense that the power has slipped out of their hands, that their way of doing things is no longer how things are done. This monster, the “Feminazi,”the thing that as Trump says, “bleeds through her eyes or wherever she bleeds,” has conquered us — and now, after having had to endure eight years of a black man telling us what to do, we’re supposed to just sit back and take eight years of a woman bossing us around? After that it’ll be eight years of the gays in the White House! Then the transgenders! You can see where this is going. By then animals will have been granted human rights and a :censored: in’ hamster is going to be running the country. This has to stop!

The Hillary Problem. Can we speak honestly, just among ourselves? And before we do, let me state, I actually like Hillary – a lot – and I think she has been given a bad rap she doesn’t deserve. But her vote for the Iraq War made me promise her that I would never vote for her again. To date, I haven’t broken that promise. For the sake of preventing a proto-fascist from becoming our commander-in-chief, I’m breaking that promise. I sadly believe Clinton will find a way to get us in some kind of military action. She’s a hawk, to the right of Obama. But Trump’s psycho finger will be on The Button, and that is that. Done and done.

Let’s face it: Our biggest problem here isn’t Trump – it’s Hillary. She is hugely unpopular — nearly 70% of all voters think she is untrustworthy and dishonest. She represents the old way of politics, not really believing in anything other than what can get you elected. That’s why she fights against gays getting married one moment, and the next she’s officiating a gay marriage. Young women are among her biggest detractors, which has to hurt considering it’s the sacrifices and the battles that Hillary and other women of her generation endured so that this younger generation would never have to be told by the Barbara Bushes of the world that they should just shut up and go bake some cookies. But the kids don’t like her, and not a day goes by that a millennial doesn’t tell me they aren’t voting for her. No Democrat, and certainly no independent, is waking up on November 8th excited to run out and vote for Hillary the way they did the day Obama became president or when Bernie was on the primary ballot. The enthusiasm just isn’t there. And because this election is going to come down to just one thing — who drags the most people out of the house and gets them to the polls — Trump right now is in the catbird seat.

The Depressed Sanders Vote. Stop fretting about Bernie’s supporters not voting for Clinton – we’re voting for Clinton! The polls already show that more Sanders voters will vote for Hillary this year than the number of Hillary primary voters in ’08 who then voted for Obama. This is not the problem. The fire alarm that should be going off is that while the average Bernie backer will drag him/herself to the polls that day to somewhat reluctantly vote for Hillary, it will be what’s called a “depressed vote” – meaning the voter doesn’t bring five people to vote with her. He doesn’t volunteer 10 hours in the month leading up to the election. She never talks in an excited voice when asked why she’s voting for Hillary. A depressed voter. Because, when you’re young, you have zero tolerance for phonies and BS. Returning to the Clinton/Bush era for them is like suddenly having to pay for music, or using MySpace or carrying around one of those big-ass portable phones. They’re not going to vote for Trump; some will vote third party, but many will just stay home. Hillary Clinton is going to have to do something to give them a reason to support her — and picking a moderate, bland-o, middle of the road old white guy as her running mate is not the kind of edgy move that tells millenials that their vote is important to Hillary. Having two women on the ticket – that was an exciting idea. But then Hillary got scared and has decided to play it safe. This is just one example of how she is killing the youth vote.

The Jesse Ventura Effect. Finally, do not discount the electorate’s ability to be mischievous or underestimate how any millions fancy themselves as closet anarchists once they draw the curtain and are all alone in the voting booth. It’s one of the few places left in society where there are no security cameras, no listening devices, no spouses, no kids, no boss, no cops, there’s not even a friggin’ time limit. You can take as long as you need in there and no one can make you do anything. You can push the button and vote a straight party line, or you can write in Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck. There are no rules. And because of that, and the anger that so many have toward a broken political system, millions are going to vote for Trump not because they agree with him, not because they like his bigotry or ego, but just because they can. Just because it will upset the apple cart and make mommy and daddy mad. And in the same way like when you’re standing on the edge of Niagara Falls and your mind wonders for a moment what would that feel like to go over that thing, a lot of people are going to love being in the position of puppetmaster and plunking down for Trump just to see what that might look like. Remember back in the ‘90s when the people of Minnesota elected a professional wrestler as their governor? They didn’t do this because they’re stupid or thought that Jesse Ventura was some sort of statesman or political intellectual. They did so just because they could. Minnesota is one of the smartest states in the country. It is also filled with people who have a dark sense of humor — and voting for Ventura was their version of a good practical joke on a sick political system. This is going to happen again with Trump.

Coming back to the hotel after appearing on Bill Maher’s Republican Convention special this week on HBO, a man stopped me. “Mike,” he said, “we have to vote for Trump. We HAVE to shake things up.” That was it. That was enough for him. To “shake things up.” President Trump would indeed do just that, and a good chunk of the electorate would like to sit in the bleachers and watch that reality show.

Yours,
Michael Moore

Feminism is a bit like The Netherlands. They both owe their existence to an extensive network of dikes, struggling against nature's forces

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 24, 2016, 03:59:18 PM

DNC Launches a circular firing squad before the convention even begins - full of Obama Agenda Action Item Speakers especially Cop Killer Black Lives Matters supporters and Anti Brexit pro TPP Kaine and Unable HRC and DNC Chair Dirty Tricks Debbie stepping down after the convention for her role in anti-Bernie dirty tricks stealing the DNC nomination from their most popular candidate Bern'em Bernie...

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/24/report-dnc-chair-debbie-wasserman-schultz-resign-convention/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/07/24/clinton-cash-global-premiere-scores-170000-views-3-hours-bernie-sanders-supporters-promote/

‘Clinton Cash’ Global Premiere Scores 170,000 Views in 3 Hours – Bernie Sanders Supporters Promote

In just three hours, more than 170,000 viewers tuned in to watch the global premiere of Clinton Cash, the motion picture adaptation of the New York Times best-selling book Clinton Cash, authored by Government Accountability Institute President and Breitbart Senior Editor-at-Large Peter Schweizer.

The film, directed by M.A. Taylor and produced by Breitbart News Executive Chairman Stephen K. Bannon, was promoted — and praised — by both sides of the political stratum. Veterans for Bernie Sanders, a group with over 50,000 likes, took to its Facebook page to encouraged its followers to watch and share the film.

https://www.facebook.com/Vets4US/videos/648178325332869/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 24, 2016, 04:40:37 PM

Whining Clinton Campaign Manager - Its the RUSSIANS fault!

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/07/24/clinton-campaign-manager-russia-leaked-dnc-emails-help-elect-trump/

Clinton Campaign Manager: Experts Saying Russia Leaked DNC Emails to Help Elect Trump

Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union,” while commenting on Wikileaks releasing 20,000 emails that were stolen from the Democratic National Committee’s servers, presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager Robby Mook said the Russian government was involved with the leak to help the Republican nominee Donald Trump get elected.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 25, 2016, 08:21:58 AM

People who previously thought that Michael Moore was a wack-job now consider him to be an oracle, if he is telling them what they want to hear.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 25, 2016, 08:33:21 AM

I am not one who would have considered Michael Moore a 'whack job'. I do not agree with everything that comes from him, just as, being a person capable of making my own judgment, I recognise that he is not a fool, that he is capable of decent analysis based upon objective data collection and that he has great skill at presenting the results of his analyses in a manner that is comprehensible to even the Marching Morons.

He is making good points about the current election and his rationale behind his predictions is neither unique to him or implausible. On the whole he is saying the same things that I have been saying for many months. Moore recognises the effect of cognitive dissonance and, as a 'natural' democrat is trying to get other democrats to understand the issue of cognitive dissonance and counter it.

I am of the opinion that Trump will win the next election, absent some implausible and unlikely events, for the reasons that Moore provides. The cognitive dissonance of a large part of the electorate and their programmers is writ large in my notes on the topic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 25, 2016, 11:48:25 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 24, 2016, 11:16:39 AM

I noticed that Team Clinton is doing nothing to innoculate the campaign against her misdeeds (something that Team Trump has been effective at doing). That suggests that Team Clinton is of the opinion that innoculation will not work for her - that there's so much dirt and do dirty that desensitisation of the Marching Morons simply won't work, will make matters worse.

Not sure if Andrew is mellowing in his senior years or if I am suffering from early onset dementia but damned if Andrew is not making more and more sense every day - he might even be a closet Farage Brexit Trumpian.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 25, 2016, 11:55:07 AM

Now for where the Rubber really meets the road - the Founding Fathers brilliant protection for the landed gentry and those with an equity stake in the USA - the Electoral College - 270 votes required to win the Presidency:

Donald Trump Projected to Win the USA Electoral College:
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 25, 2016, 01:58:57 PM

As Cufflinks posted up thread, the media is bringing Putin into the mix.
I for one would be glad to see better relationship with Russia. :)

Putin’s Buddy Trump Is About To Get National Security Briefings. Intel Officers Are Worried.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57963cd6e4b02d5d5ed2476b

Why Would Vladimir Putin Want To Leak The DNC Emails?

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/25/487356470/why-would-vladimir-putin-want-to-leak-the-dnc-emails

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 25, 2016, 02:48:40 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 25, 2016, 01:58:57 PM

Why Would Vladimir Putin Want To Leak The DNC Emails?

... because the Obama administration has been hostile toward Russia, perhaps? Presumably, Putin considers Clinton to be more of Obama.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 25, 2016, 05:56:10 PM

Quote from: TomT on July 25, 2016, 08:21:58 AM

People who previously thought that Michael Moore was a wack-job now consider him to be an oracle, if he is telling them what they want to hear.

It is "statements against interest" and therefore notable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statement_against_interest

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 25, 2016, 06:34:24 PM

Quote from: TomT on July 25, 2016, 02:48:40 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 25, 2016, 01:58:57 PM
Why Would Vladimir Putin Want To Leak The DNC Emails?

... because the Obama administration has been hostile toward Russia, perhaps? Presumably, Putin considers Clinton to be more of Obama.

Sure. But it's hardly Russia's fault that the DNC referred to Hispanic outreach as "Taco Bowl Engagement". For a group that prides itself on its own "Moral Vanity" that wasn't exactly...how you say..."smart".

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 25, 2016, 07:04:13 PM

A few people are upset with the democratic nomination process. :chuckle:

50+ handcuffed at DNC as thousands protest Clinton’s nomination – reports

https://www.rt.com/usa/353247-dnc-clinton-protests-arrests/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 25, 2016, 08:08:49 PM

Wonder if H,Clinton get a post convention bounce, or get bumped back a bit more?
Too bad polls are not a bit more reliable.

Donald Trump bounces into the lead

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 25, 2016, 08:22:01 PM

Holy Bee Geeezus:

ABC's George Steppinlotsofit almost orgasms introducing Michelle BLM Obama.

Michelle talking about the Nuclear codes and need to be steady, measured and informed - panning to Bill Freaking Clinton hidden up in the Cheap Seats...

Michelle; I want a president who feels that Everyone in America Matters (BLM Euphemism).

In this election "I'm with her"

Being president is about leaving something better for our kids (ISIS and BLM Cop Killers).

Oh NO she didn't - SHE WAKES UP EVERY MORNING IN A HOUSE BUILT BY SLAVES with her TWO BLACK DAUGHTERS playing on the White House Lawn.

WTF - wasn't OBAMA's MAMA freaking ANGLO IRISH WHITE - yo "BLACK" daughters are 25% WHITEYS beeeatch.

Race baiting like a MoFoHo on steroids.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on July 25, 2016, 09:56:01 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 25, 2016, 08:08:49 PM

Wonder if H,Clinton get a post convention bounce, or get bumped back a bit more?
Too bad polls are not a bit more reliable.

Donald Trump bounces into the lead

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-poll/

The money is trending for an average -1 to +1 points difference for Trump and he is ahead by .20 at the moment.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html#polls

Trumps bump is just now showing. Hillary's will be a couple of days down the road if that happens though any bump she gets needs to wade thru Trumps.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 25, 2016, 11:29:19 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on July 25, 2016, 08:22:01 PM

Holy Bee Geeezus:

ABC's George Steppinlotsofit almost orgasms introducing Michelle BLM Obama.

Michelle talking about the Nuclear codes and need to be steady, measured and informed - panning to Bill Freaking Clinton hidden up in the Cheap Seats...

Michelle; I want a president who feels that Everyone in America Matters (BLM Euphemism).

In this election "I'm with her"

Being president is about leaving something better for our kids (ISIS and BLM Cop Killers).

Oh NO she didn't - SHE WAKES UP EVERY MORNING IN A HOUSE BUILT BY SLAVES with her TWO BLACK DAUGHTERS playing on the White House Lawn.

WTF - wasn't OBAMA's MAMA freaking ANGLO IRISH WHITE - yo "BLACK" daughters are 25% WHITEYS beeeatch.

Race baiting like a MoFoHo on steroids.

What is not well known - both the White and also the "Black" side of Obama, have slave-owner in their family history. I say "Black" because some of the black is actually Arab - historically the people that ran the slave trade in the part of Africa his ancestors are from.

Also one of Michelle "Wookie" Obama's ancestors was also a slave owner.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 26, 2016, 03:54:52 PM

If Putin Is Behind the DNC Leak, He Deserves a Pulitzer

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/will-putin-get-pulitzer/ri15861

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 27, 2016, 07:51:16 AM

Obama as a diplomat leaves much to be desired. (:)

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/president-obama-on-russian-dnc-hack-involvement-anything-s-possible-732675139636

Assange: More Leaks Coming - His 'Enough Evidence' to Indict Hillary Threat Coming True (Video

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/assange-more-leaks-coming-his-enough-evidence-indict-hillary-threat-coming-true-video

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 27, 2016, 02:31:40 PM

Donald Trump might not be a seasoned politician, but he seems to know how to swing the attention his way.

The Democrats just fell for Trump's Russian email-hack bait—commentary

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/27/the-democrats-just-fell-for-trumps-russian-email-hack-bait-commentary.htmlThe Democrats just fell for Trump's Russian email-hack bait—commentary

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 28, 2016, 11:54:47 AM

Is this the end of Trump's convention bounce or just the beginning? Stay tuned! This and other rhetorical questions will be answered in the next few weeks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 29, 2016, 05:47:21 AM

TomT and other's

Do you think shorty (Putin) has copies of the Emails?

If he does..... the Zionists money lenders that finances the supportive of Israel policies, "Blonde" are for a big attrition game...... :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 29, 2016, 06:10:28 AM

Wiz, I am sure that 'Putin' doesn't have the emails.

I'd be surprised if SIS (UK), SVR (Russia), DGSE (France) and many others did not have these documents.
The important thing is what they do with them.
Of course, if Clinton is telling the truth then they are of little import because they are about hair appointments, cat sitting arrangements etc etc.
Also, the NSA (USA) will have the same emails.

Spying on foreign politicians is no biggy, doing so is declared policy of the United States and many other countries have similar declared or undeclared policies.

Of course the same agencies have access to the other emails, the not deleted ones, and those are possibly more important as they show the links between Team Clinton and those who paid for the services of Team Clinton.

My guess is that it is very, very unlikely that any state actor would disclose the content of those emails through Wikileaks or any other intermediary. The Russian has explicitly said they have not done so and will not do so because that would break their strict policy of non-interference in the matters of other governments and states. For that reason they can, I think, be trusted because this is a core foundation of the Russian government and state's foreign policy.

Exactly the same applies to the DNC emails. There's no win to the Russian government or state from disclosure of these messages. Why would they want to further antagonise the woman who is likely to be the next US president? There's no point to do so.

Here's a thing though, even I know this: one does not need to leave behind 'evidence' on an unsecured mail server. The contents can be accessed without installing any code on the server and thus there's no need to have comments popping up in the code on the server or in the messages on the server. Thus we can assume that either Team Clinton and their posse are lying or somebody was deliberately dissembling and leaving behind planted evidence.
Even if, for example, the DNC mail server was infiltrated and some code had to be planted then only a careless fool would leave behind evidence of their entry.

On a practical level, Russian intelligence have resource limitations (time, manpower, money) and have much bigger fish to fry than voicemails and emails between party functionaries in the US. Their task is to know about military stuff, dispositions, movements - important stuff: not who bribed whom and for how much.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 29, 2016, 06:55:16 AM

To a large degree, I agree with Andrew, I suspect Russia did look at the e.Mails and decided blah blah, let Julian have some fun.

But a question that I have how many readers of RUA think there e.Mails, letters or phone calls are secure and private?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 29, 2016, 06:56:15 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 29, 2016, 05:47:21 AM

TomT and other's

Do you think shorty (Putin) has copies of the Emails?

I have no idea. It doesn't matter who has them, however, because once there is doubt about the chain of custody, they are worthless as evidence.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 29, 2016, 07:59:15 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 29, 2016, 06:55:16 AM

To a large degree, I agree with Andrew, I suspect Russia did look at the e.Mails and decided blah blah, let Julian have some fun.

But a question that I have how many readers of RUA think there e.Mails, letters or phone calls are secure and private?

Of course these communications are not normally secure and, of course, it does not matter because none of us have anything of value to say or to have heard. I can make transmission of messages secure or relatively so, but that does nothing to make the receipt of the message, or its storage secure.

As a rule of thumb, one should work from the premise that if you'd not send your message on an postcard through the mail then you should not send it as an email.

However, the purpose of the rules and laws that Clinton broke is to make those communications and their storage more secure. An expert commenting upon what is known of Clinton's unlawful system was that it was no more secure than Gmail and probably less so. Gmail is not very secure.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on July 29, 2016, 10:18:01 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 29, 2016, 07:59:15 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 29, 2016, 06:55:16 AM
To a large degree, I agree with Andrew, I suspect Russia did look at the e.Mails and decided blah blah, let Julian have some fun.

But a question that I have how many readers of RUA think there e.Mails, letters or phone calls are secure and private?

Of course these communications are not normally secure and, of course, it does not matter because none of us have anything of value to say or to have heard. I can make transmission of messages secure or relatively so, but that does nothing to make the receipt of the message, or its storage secure.

As a rule of thumb, one should work from the premise that if you'd not send your message on an postcard through the mail then you should not send it as an email.

However, the purpose of the rules and laws that Clinton broke is to make those communications and their storage more secure. An expert commenting upon what is known of Clinton's unlawful system was that it was no more secure than Gmail and probably less so. Gmail is not very secure.

Secure or not secure wasn't even an Issue yet, that happens later in the audit-chain.

First and foremost, the server should have been auditted by the gov't to ALLOW it to be used. That step was already skipped alltogether, making anything after non-legal and certainly not fit to receive state-classified and even top-secret emails.

Clinton sure must have a lot of (political) power or she would have been thrown to the wolves already. People are serving for life imprisonment for far less (Manning?) Or are on the wanted list (Snowden, Assange).

I can't understand how people can call Manning, Snowden traitors whilst not even a pip out of them for what Clinton did, which is far worse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 29, 2016, 10:55:37 AM

Money and power talk. Look at who resigned as chair of the DNC. Look at the job she walked into.
Look at the person who resigned to make it possible for her to chair the DNC and look at the job he just walked into.

If you are told that you can be the president of the United States, or some other ultimate power role, a decade hence what do you think that you could cover up, explain away or excuse?

Power corrupts, that's a law.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 29, 2016, 11:06:36 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 29, 2016, 07:59:15 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 29, 2016, 06:55:16 AM
To a large degree, I agree with Andrew, I suspect Russia did look at the e.Mails and decided blah blah, let Julian have some fun.

But a question that I have how many readers of RUA think there e.Mails, letters or phone calls are secure and private?

Of course these communications are not normally secure and, of course, it does not matter because none of us have anything of value to say or to have heard. I can make transmission of messages secure or relatively so, but that does nothing to make the receipt of the message, or its storage secure.

As a rule of thumb, one should work from the premise that if you'd not send your message on an postcard through the mail then you should not send it as an email.

However, the purpose of the rules and laws that Clinton broke is to make those communications and their storage more secure. An expert commenting upon what is known of Clinton's unlawful system was that it was no more secure than Gmail and probably less so. Gmail is not very secure.

Security lies on a spectrum - it is not a "true or false" question.

You are a well known cat photographer and your Gmail account has the original high resolution scans of pictures taken of the local mayor's cat. What is the value to someone else of these photos? The value determines the effort. In this case, probably you don't have to worry too much about being a target of a sophisticated hack.

You are the same photographer, but, you are now known to have pictures of Kim Kardashian's , Kate Middleton's and Cher's cats in your account. Now the economic value (possibly $20K USD let's say) means you have to be more careful.

So what is the value to (some set of people) of the DNC emails?

Assuming their estimated value was close to what was released, you are now talking everyone from Bernie Sanders supporters hacking out of anger over the way their candidate was treated, to internal whistleblowers, to state actors, including the Chinese and Russian governments.

Now, you are going to get hacked, unless you implement strict login policies and use multiple methods of protection (VPN, firewalls, client side certificates etc.).

About Hillary's private email server - it was far less secure than the DNC server. So it is reasonable to assume that the Chinese and Russians have every email that ever went through that server.

The DNC services appear to have been hosted, at least some of the time, on Microsoft's "hosted Exchange email server" platform. MS despite their many faults, does have an active security team that deals with hacking attempts every hour of every day. Hillary's private email server had 1 or 2 incompetent server admins.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 29, 2016, 11:43:31 AM

Whilst you are correct in noting that security is a spectrum that is rather misleading; a distinction without a difference, if you will.

You see, for almost all email users our communication is of absolutely no value. For a tiny subset of email users the value is significant. That's the long tail principle for you.

In practice then, whilst security is a spectrum running from none to lots, the effect is binary. There's no amount of paranoid fiddling that'd increase, in real terms, my security. However, if I became a person of interest there's almost nothing I could do to make my communication truly private.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 29, 2016, 02:05:38 PM

Edward Snowden & WikiLeaks clash on Twitter over how to better leak data

https://www.rt.com/news/353948-snowden-wikileaks-twitter-clash/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 29, 2016, 02:15:35 PM

Even with the star power the DNC, lined up, Trump and the GOP drew a larger audience. :nod:

Donald Trump & RNC Top Hillary Clinton & Final Night Of DNC In Viewers

http://deadline.com/2016/07/donald-trump-speech-ratings-beat-hillary-clinton-rnc-dnc-1201795035/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 29, 2016, 04:39:28 PM

The news has reported Hillary Clinton's campaign may have been hacked.
There are no details yet given. October could be a very informative into Clinton's doings.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 29, 2016, 11:53:06 PM

This 'hacking' thing has gained a momentum of its own. Right now script kiddies around the world will be going after anything and anyone associated with the Clinton name. Given the clearly visible Clinton hubris they will likely find rich pickings because hubris is careless.

There's plenty of interesting stuff to be found. Also there's going to be FBI interest because they know what happened the other week, they know she is a criminal and she is going to suffer the revenge of the FBI. That might be direct action or it might be indirect but she's going down. The Clinton Foundation investigation is just the next public attack upon the corruption that is Clinton. There's more to come and, sadly, there will be more bodies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on July 30, 2016, 06:59:04 PM

When you need support for a lying asshole, you bring in another lying asshole to vouch for him.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/29/flynn_i_honestly_dont_know_how_john_allen_can_look_at_himself_in_the_mirror_and_support_hillary_clinton.html

"KELLY: And I want you to respond to this because he said, with him, with the calls for torture, for the calls for the murder of families of terrorists, he said he would put us on the edge of a civil military crisis."

"FLYNN: Donald Trump hasn't said any of that. Honestly, the civil military crisis is somebody who disclosed an unbelievable amount of --"

"KELLY: He has, General. He called for torture. He supports torture. He's very open on that, enhanced interrogation techniques, and he has called for the murder of the families of loved ones of terrorists."

"FLYNN: [attempting to change the subject] Megyn, General Allen, as a retired officer, was in charge of our current strategy for well over a year, maybe closer to two years, and during that period of time the rise of radical Islamism and ISIS, you know, it exponentially grew."

http://time.com/4247397/donald-trump-waterboarding-torture/ (1:40)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 31, 2016, 05:19:10 AM

People do rather seem to be playing fast and loose with language here don't they.

For example, we know that the US government and states does not regard 'enhanced interrogation' as torture. Thus it is somewhat disingenuous to claim that Trump saying he supports the legal use of enhanced interrogation, as practiced by the US, is support for torture; at least not without making explicit the editorial viewpoint and bias of the commenter.

Bear in mind that Trump has supported the use of waterboarding, a practice regard by the United States governemnt, military, intelligence, state department and justice department as being legal and not torture.

You, TomT, might feel that waterboarding is torture, but in your country it is not regarded as such by those who matter - your lawmakers, those who carry out orders within those laws, and those tasked with enforcing law.

It would seem that the interviewer was the one being dishonest here, not the interlocutor.

Trump is consistent in this regard: he supports the policies implemented and practiced by the US government. He is being criticised for his support of US laws and his suggestion that those laws should be followed and implemented.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 31, 2016, 09:25:33 PM

How Paul Manafort Wielded Power in Ukraine Before Advising Donald Trump

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/us/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 01, 2016, 01:01:21 AM

Seems odd that a Ukrainian connection might be seen as being equivalent to being Putin's pigeon. But then this is Americans and geography isn't a strong suit. ;)

The whole bunch of malarkey here would be funny if it were not so serious. Americans should feel insulted that they are so underestimated by their political masters and thought leaders. Sadly it is obvious that the Marching Morons are lapping it up.
'Nobody ever went bankrupt by underestimating the gullibility of the American people.'

Please American voters, reject this crap. You can do better than this; prove that you are worth better than this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 01, 2016, 09:16:50 AM

The official death of the Trump campaign this weekend:

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. (AP) — Billionaire industrialist and conservative benefactor Charles Koch's expansive political network will not help Donald Trump win the presidency.

They are going to contribute heavily to Senate and House campaigns to retain power for the Republican Party.

None of the presidential candidates are aligned with the Koch network "from a values, and beliefs and policy perspective," Holden said, citing other determining factors such as "running a good campaign" and talking about key issues "in a positive productive way."

"Based on that, we're focused on the Senate," Holden said, noting that the Koch network has devoted around $42 million so far to television and digital advertising to benefit Republican Senate candidates.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 02, 2016, 10:38:40 AM

In regard to Trump's feud with the Khan family, I wonder if Cuffy has had enough of the bloviating sphincter yet.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 02, 2016, 10:56:57 AM

Could the powers to be move the posts from the Russian Thread to the DT one, please?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 02, 2016, 04:07:24 PM

Trump imploding on his own ego and big mouth.

He's going to get creamed by at least 10 points.

When Hillary gets in the White House we'll all be screwed . . . . . . . .

Thanks again stupid gullible Trumpsters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 02, 2016, 04:17:04 PM

Is Trump the Peace Candidate?

BY PAT BUCHANAN, AUGUST 2, 2016, 6:00 AM

http://freedomsback.com/pat-buchanan/is-trump-the-peace-candidate/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on August 02, 2016, 05:07:06 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 02, 2016, 04:17:04 PM

Is Trump the Peace Candidate?

BY PAT BUCHANAN, AUGUST 2, 2016, 6:00 AM

http://freedomsback.com/pat-buchanan/is-trump-the-peace-candidate/

I agree with this article.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 02, 2016, 05:59:37 PM

This is an old article, but the rumors are once again making news after Bill Clinton's DNC, speach.
The Clinton have a vast amount of dirty little secrets, and still they portray themselves as morally superior.
The media is trying to dig up dirt on Trump, but nothing can compare to what the Clinton clan has done over the years.
Trump will eventually get his act together, and will soon again move ahead of Hillary.

WND EXCLUSIVE

WEBB HUBBELL: 'NO COMMENT' ON FATHERING CHELSEA CLINTON

Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/10/webb-hubbell-no-comment-on-fathering-chelsea-clinton/#isY1LjYuJGHr0JF3.99

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on August 03, 2016, 01:17:13 AM

Quote from: yankee on August 02, 2016, 05:07:06 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 02, 2016, 04:17:04 PM
Is Trump the Peace Candidate?

BY PAT BUCHANAN, AUGUST 2, 2016, 6:00 AM

http://freedomsback.com/pat-buchanan/is-trump-the-peace-candidate/

I agree with this article.

The article makes a lot of good points. Why do we need NATO, when we have the UN.

Sure, the UN right now is broken, but as an Idea its far more interesting than NATO. Why not take what is good of NATO , and put it in the UN.

A giant global organization of countries , that will military back up any member that gets invaded. Russia then cannot complain its against Russia anymore, since they are a member and be done with it.

The need for overseas bases would cease to exist (other than supporting countries at war currently, like Syria) and lots of people can go home to their families.

Of course, this will never happen because of money + politics, but I can dream can't I.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 03, 2016, 02:37:13 AM

Quote from: Markje on August 03, 2016, 01:17:13 AM

Quote from: yankee on August 02, 2016, 05:07:06 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on August 02, 2016, 04:17:04 PM
Is Trump the Peace Candidate?

BY PAT BUCHANAN, AUGUST 2, 2016, 6:00 AM

http://freedomsback.com/pat-buchanan/is-trump-the-peace-candidate/

I agree with this article.

The article makes a lot of good points. Why do we need NATO, when we have the UN.

Sure, the UN right now is broken, but as an Idea its far more interesting than NATO. Why not take what is good of NATO , and put it in the UN.

A giant global organization of countries , that will military back up any member that gets invaded. Russia then cannot complain its against Russia anymore, since they are a member and be done with it.

The need for overseas bases would cease to exist (other than supporting countries at war currently, like Syria) and lots of people can go home to their families.

Of course, this will never happen because of money + politics, but I can dream can't I.

Wait until Wiz informs us that this new order will be run by the Bilderbergers, Rothschilds, Illuminati and/or Jewish Kazania's.

Who nows maybe he is correct?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on August 03, 2016, 09:16:32 AM

Gold Star families, parents, etc

Until the Democrat convention I had no idea of what a Gold Star family was.
I have worked for over 35 years with the military including 3 tours in Vietnam. To my knowledge no one made them a political issue.
Hilary should be criticized for making them a political issue, not Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on August 03, 2016, 10:15:22 AM

It was a PC trap. In my mind you cannot give a blanket get out of jail card to parents of fallen hero's but it is just not PC to attack them even if attacked according to many. How much this will hurt Trump is not readily known but his followers are not exactly of the PC nature. Opposition is of course pumping it for all it is worth. Still, Trump did his research on the father and he found valid points against him that would have mattered for anyone else and he was attacked and should be allowed to hit back.

Trumps favorability has risen a bit from last week but that only puts it at the norm for him. Most of his polls are at his norm and not really changed any so maybe this has not had an affect. Hillary's polls rose some, still below her average yet still above Trumps. Everyone is waiting for the debates. It is Trumps to lose really.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 03, 2016, 06:16:49 PM

It was announced today that Trump's racketeering cases are going to trial in November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 03, 2016, 06:56:05 PM

Quote from: bagalia on August 03, 2016, 10:15:22 AM

It is Trumps to lose really.

He's already lost it.

The only thing that could possible result in a Republican victory in November would be if Trump IMMEDIATELY quit the campaign and Pence was the new candidate. I think even Trump realizes this only his ego won't admit he totally unprepared to be a viable Presidential candidate.

Thanks again Trumpsters!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on August 03, 2016, 07:53:58 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 03, 2016, 06:56:05 PM

Quote from: bagalia on August 03, 2016, 10:15:22 AM
It is Trumps to lose really.

He's already lost it.

The only thing that could possible result in a Republican victory in November would be if Trump IMMEDIATELY quit the campaign and Pence was the new candidate. I think even Trump realizes this only his ego won't admit he totally unprepared to be a viable Presidential candidate.

Thanks again Trumpsters!

Don't be so quick to fall into that same hole in the road again. It is tempting to think Trump has hit his peak. The news is pushing that he will quit. Trump U will be his end. Gold star parents will be his end. Trump will start a nuke war. Hillary is pulling out the big guns and all IOUs. The news is doing what they did before so incorrectly by predicting his demise.

There are those who say it doesn't matter that billionaires shun him or that some party unknowns are turning to Hillary. Some predict that Hillary's polls will drop soon, partly because she is now linked to Obama but mostly because a ton o crap is headed both their ways. The fight has only begun. Score one for Hillary but there are more points to come.

It is still too soon to see the future but if he screws up the debates it could be his end. The thing about his base is they know the entire machine is against him and so will not listen to things against him. He only needs to pick up enough of the "never" people on either side. Never say never.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 04, 2016, 02:00:35 AM

In a weeks time the Marching Morons will remember only the visual image of a 'muslim' man and woman where it is clear that the man and woman are in no way equal, to the degree that she is not able to stand at the same level as him or even to speak.

That the 'lawyer' is actually an activist for Muslim immigration whose business is arranging shonky visas for Muslims and who was so unsure of himself that he removed his business website after his performance may be more relevant, but the Marching Morons will never be aware of these matters.

Whilst it is true that the opposing campaign has successfully had screen time that seems to show an effect upon the Trump campaign the visual and narrative framing has been controlled by Team Trump and it is the visual framing that will matter after the next couple of days. The Marching Morons will be wondering why the Clinton campaign was supporting a couple who represents the inequalities that the Clinton campaign is supposed to be against. They're going to be asking whether increased immigration by people like the Khans is what they want. Win to Team Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 04, 2016, 03:24:25 AM

Not sure I would call it a win for Team Trump, but it is becoming apparent that Trump is resilient and his base is 100% behind him irregardless of blunders.

The greater reality and something that both T2 and Shakes has noted angry middle aged white guys are not the voting majority anymore. Can Trump gain a larger share of the minority and vote of females I tend to doubt it.

On the other side can Hillary improve her feelie goodie with white male America, also unlikely. As many political pundits point out it is becoming a vote of who you least likely would like to see as President. Two deeply flawed people are the primary candidates.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on August 04, 2016, 09:06:28 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 03, 2016, 06:56:05 PM

Quote from: bagalia on August 03, 2016, 10:15:22 AM
It is Trumps to lose really.

He's already lost it.

The only thing that could possible result in a Republican victory in November would be if Trump IMMEDIATELY quit the campaign and Pence was the new candidate. I think even Trump realizes this only his ego won't admit he totally unprepared to be a viable Presidential candidate.

Thanks again Trumpsters!

The media and the neocons in general, are in full-on meltdown mode concerning Trump, who is maybe unclassifiable but hews a lot closer to paleocon than neocon.

That is why, all of a sudden, the turncoat neocons (who have ONLY ever been about their narrow specialized interests of Israel, endless war, and neglecting true American interests) are leaving the R's en masse - they can't get what they want any more.

Don't worry about the neocon defection: they were always parasites. Hillary says she will feed them, so they go to her, despite their earlier "principled" opposition to her.

From now until the election, expect absolutely ZERO truth from the press about Trump.

How suddenly some 60 million adult Americans (or whatever the polls show as supporting Trump) became, overnight, people living in a small town in Appalachia or the South, addicted to Oxycontin and Percocet, having only 9 teeth in their mouth, uneducated past the 6th grade, fat, unattractive, people that your mother warned you not to associate with, father-rapers, non-washers-behind-the-ears, etc. is not explained.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 04, 2016, 09:20:16 AM

AvHdB, remember that the average USAian seems to have the attention span of a hyperactive guppy. Additionally they are blithely unconcerned by matters of fact, being much more likley to confuse gut reaction and feelz for thinking than to engage is cognition and recall.

That means the issue of Khan will end up being framed by the press image of Khan standing above and in front of his wife - a none too positive image of the man or the people that he claimed to represent.

The people who are capable of cognition and recall will recall the facts about him, that he is not an honest broker, that he was purposefully misleading in his words, that he knows his platform is flawed and that he stands to personally gain from his words and appearances. All those things will conspire to render him irrelevant as a positive force for those who are capable of thought.

The framing of the issue was, in no small part, managed by team Trump albeit that Team Clinton managed a fair bit of foot shooting as well.

That's why, ultimately, after the fog of war clears, this is a win for Team Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on August 04, 2016, 09:26:01 AM

RUA correctly called Brexit. Can it do the same for the Presidency?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 04, 2016, 11:32:52 AM

Shakey is correct: it's over.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 04, 2016, 11:55:28 AM

Quote from: Slumba on August 04, 2016, 09:06:28 AM

How suddenly some 60 million adult Americans (or whatever the polls show as supporting Trump) became, overnight, people living in a small town in Appalachia or the South, addicted to Oxycontin and Percocet, having only 9 teeth in their mouth, uneducated past the 6th grade, fat, unattractive, people that your mother warned you not to associate with, father-rapers, non-washers-behind-the-ears, etc. is not explained.

I'm sorry to hear about your teeth, Slumba.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on August 04, 2016, 12:18:09 PM

Quote from: TomT on August 04, 2016, 11:55:28 AM

Quote from: Slumba on August 04, 2016, 09:06:28 AM
How suddenly some 60 million adult Americans (or whatever the polls show as supporting Trump) became, overnight, people living in a small town in Appalachia or the South, addicted to Oxycontin and Percocet, having only 9 teeth in their mouth, uneducated past the 6th grade, fat, unattractive, people that your mother warned you not to associate with, father-rapers, non-washers-behind-the-ears, etc. is not explained.

I'm sorry to hear about your teeth, Slumba.

My mother taught me to wash behind my ears, so I think I am not included in the demographic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 04, 2016, 12:20:20 PM

^ She should have taught you to brush and floss your teeth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on August 04, 2016, 12:54:39 PM

Quote from: TomT on August 04, 2016, 11:32:52 AM

Shakey is correct: it's over.

A one cycle surge. Rasmussen was dropped from the list as they went to a 4 way poll and the 3 surge polls may disappear in the next 4 days.... or not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on August 04, 2016, 01:47:35 PM

Just came across this video..... but I am not really interested about the Elections in US.

The American friends may will interested to watch!

:rolleye0009:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on August 04, 2016, 01:50:29 PM

:censored:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 04, 2016, 02:24:14 PM

Can we not add say Moby or Putin to the choices?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on August 04, 2016, 05:13:09 PM

Given only bad choices, I'd vote for theDonald with less gutwrenching feelings than war-rod.

Still very far from what I want to, but never will I vote for someone who can't be trusted with state-secrets because she doesn't know/care about security of said secrets.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 04, 2016, 05:40:41 PM

"There's something phony about this week's CNN poll."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/08/02/trump_theres_something_phony_about_this_weeks_cnn_poll.html

There's something phony about this week's CBS poll.
There's something phony about this week's Fox poll.
There's something really phony about this week's McClatchy poll.
There's something phony about this week's NBC poll.

I think that it's safe to say that Trump's convention bounce is over. We'll see how Clinton's bounce holds up over the next few weeks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 04, 2016, 11:52:10 PM

I wonder if other pollsters have started to do the same as Reuters?

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/07/30/exclusive-pat-caddell-blasts-reuters-back-rigging-polls-to-show-clinton-winning/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on August 05, 2016, 02:14:14 AM

I would vote for a monkey before I would vote for the "Bag Lady". Her interventionist foreign policy is quite likely to have serious consequences.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on August 05, 2016, 02:58:06 AM

It's my opinion that post Independence referendum and then post Brexit, people have started to wake up and smell the coffee. No longer can a good bit of propaganda influence a political vote, with so much myth busting and unravelling of lies being banded about the interweb. Trust in media and government is at an all time low and some will actually vote against the establishment just because its the establishment.

I'm not sure if this extends to our US cousins but if it has, I suspect Trump will take pole position? The more the US establishment quite obviously attempts to derail Trump and gloss over Clinton's flaws....the more the public hate the establishment and the obvious lack of respect for the people.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on August 05, 2016, 05:04:59 AM

Quote from: Wiz on August 04, 2016, 01:47:35 PM

Just came across this video..... but I am not really interested about the Elections in US.

The American friends may will interested to watch!

:rolleye0009:

This is quite interesting. I have heard that some of her secrete service people say that their is no way she can take the stress of being president. I have notice that she seems to over react at event when I watch her on TV but did not know why. She has been known to go into a rage when she was first lady for little reason. It is interesting that really it Hillary that is abusive to her female campaign workers and other much more than Donald. I feel there is a huge press cover up here to help her get elected. The real story is if she can not really be president who you be making the decisions when she is in the white house as she is most likely to win.

Also note it is Hillary's agenda to be more involved overseas not less. Hillary to let more immigration. This is to be an Obama agenda on steroids if you will. So it is like maybe the globalist may have found away to better control the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on August 05, 2016, 07:24:25 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 04, 2016, 02:24:14 PM

Can we not add say Moby or Putin to the choices?

I don't see the point of that. ???

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on August 05, 2016, 07:26:37 AM

Quote from: leslied on August 05, 2016, 02:14:14 AM

I would vote for a monkey before I would vote for the "Bag Lady". Her interventionist foreign policy is quite likely to have serious consequences.

Very interesting results so far. I wonder if this could be a reflection of things to come?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 05, 2016, 07:30:21 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on August 05, 2016, 07:26:37 AM

Very interesting results so far. I wonder if this could be a reflection of things to come?

Nope. It's a reflection of the RUA demographic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on August 05, 2016, 07:45:38 AM

Quote from: TomT on August 05, 2016, 07:30:21 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on August 05, 2016, 07:26:37 AM
Very interesting results so far. I wonder if this could be a reflection of things to come?

Nope. It's a reflection of the RUA demographic.

Quite. The majority of which are USAians.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on August 05, 2016, 09:19:35 AM

Quote from: rosco on August 05, 2016, 02:58:06 AM

It's my opinion that post Independence referendum and then post Brexit, people have started to wake up and smell the coffee. No longer can a good bit of propaganda influence a political vote, with so much myth busting and unravelling of lies being banded about the interweb. Trust in media and government is at an all time low and some will actually vote against the establishment just because its the establishment.

I'm not sure if this extends to our US cousins but if it has, I suspect Trump will take pole position? The more the US establishment quite obviously attempts to derail Trump and gloss over Clinton's flaws....the more the public hate the establishment and the obvious lack of respect for the people.

“Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is
the master of all its legislation and commerce.”

President James A. Garfield

The Rothschild group purchased Reuters in London, Havas in France, and Wolf in Germany to monopolise the news creation nexus and information-dissemination business in Europe and around the world.

Who Owns The Media? Who Owns Reuters? Who Owns The AP? (http://www.molonlabemedia.com/2016/05/06/media-ap-reuters-owned)

Today’s global corporate media empire is simply an extension of this trend to control information and assure NWO propaganda remains both dominant and ubiquitous.

Is there any proof that the Rothschilds own Reuters and the Associated Press? (https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/11qlk9/is_there_any_proof_that_the_rothschilds_own/)

Take a look at this site and tell us your opinion please.

https://politicalvelcraft.org/rothschilds-media/

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on August 05, 2016, 09:19:54 AM

Quote from: leslied on August 05, 2016, 02:14:14 AM

I would vote for a monkey before I would vote for the "Bag Lady". Her interventionist foreign policy is quite likely to have serious consequences.

Ditto...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on August 05, 2016, 09:22:08 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on August 05, 2016, 07:24:25 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 04, 2016, 02:24:14 PM
Can we not add say Moby or Putin to the choices?
I don't see the point of that. ???

Damn.. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on August 05, 2016, 09:39:11 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on August 05, 2016, 05:04:59 AM

Also note it is Hillary's agenda to be more involved overseas not less. Hillary to let more immigration. This is to be an Obama agenda on steroids if you will. So it is like maybe the globalist may have found away to better control the USA.

More news for your lovely Hillary .....

Not a valid youtube URL
I bet you have seen this.......

Finally never forget what she said about Cadafi, and Iran, on TV:

"We came, we saw and ... he died" for Cadafi and

for Iran..... "if they attack Israel the US, if she becomes president, will obliterate IRAN."

Choice is yours. (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on August 05, 2016, 10:26:57 AM

I see Shakey has voted. That's all there is folks. da deeb da da deeb

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on August 05, 2016, 03:35:10 PM

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wikileaks-confirms-hillary-sold-weapons-isis-drops-another-bombshell-breaking-news/

And still people refuse to indict her.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 05, 2016, 05:46:35 PM

^ The alternative is to elect a mentally ill seventy-year-old who had to ask repeatedly why we don't use nuclear weapons. Think back to the trouble that GWB created because of his ignorance and stupidity. Trump is worse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on August 05, 2016, 10:12:37 PM

Since 1992 the democrats have won the same 18 states every election including California and New York our largest. The republicans have only carried 13 states every election and most are not so big. If Hillary can carry the normal 18 states the democrats normal carry and enough swing states to equal to Florida or win Florida she wins even if Trump carries everything else. WE have gotten so many people getting money from the government it is nearly impossible for a republican to win. Now that Trump is not even doing a good job of it, Hillary will likely win in a landslide.

Hillary will likely be the most emotional unstable president we have ever come close to having. Tom you seem so hell bent on finding what is wrong with Trump that you are not seeing just how sick Hillary really is. This lady can and often completely losses it when she is stressed. It does not matter how messed up Trumped is because he has almost no chance to really become president. WE really need as many republican congressmen and senators as possible to help control the Hillary effects we will be having in the country.

If elected, Trump would likely cause the country less damage than Hillary. I really doubt he will ever be able to get anything passed in congress and with so little support in congress he would likely get impeached at the first chance. Hillary on the other hand is likely to cause a lot of damage before she gets out of office, be in power much longer and have much more power than Trump would ever get.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on August 06, 2016, 08:21:06 AM

Texan

Do you really think it would be Hillary running the admin, if elected, or..... the Zionist cabal that support her with money and the Media.

Why do you think they put up "Bernie Sanders" running against her..... supposedly and now campaigned together?

His mission was to steal as many voters from Trump, he could......remember he is a Jew!

Any how... all is set up and in the counting fraud is already in their hands.

You think the USA is a democratic country..... but it is not!. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on August 06, 2016, 08:58:22 AM

Quote from: Wiz on August 06, 2016, 08:21:06 AM

Texan

Do you really think it would be Hillary running the admin, if elected, or..... the Zionist cabal that support her with money and the Media.

Why do you think they put up "Bernie Sanders" running against her..... supposedly and now campaigned together?

His mission was to steal as many voters from Trump, he could......remember he is a Jew!

Any how... all is set up and in the counting fraud is already in their hands.

You think the USA is a democratic country..... but it is not!. tiphat

I country like the USA is not controlled by just one forced. Their are many fractions and they all have their influence. Yes the voters do have a part of it but I surely know that it is not the whole story. You seem to thing that the world it divided up between Zionist and none Zionist. I do photography work and have work with the Jewish community. Some are very strong in the faith and other just happen to be born that Jewish and have little to do with the religion. Most live normal lives and blend into the community and cause few problems. In USA we have very influential communities that are Asian, Indian, Pakistan in addition to the Jews. Each of these groups own many of the Business in the USA and have influence beyond their numbers. Blacks and Hispanics have influence because of there number and the fact they tend to vote in blocks. Yes there are more hidden forces that also have their influence in the USA and control to some part what politicians we get to vote on. They are not in complete control neither. You can read very slanted work and that will give a picture of this group of that group being in complete control and their logic but it is never the whole story. Votes do matter and can offer some change.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Cobaka on August 06, 2016, 10:07:41 AM

I like that thread title and although I suppose I probably would like trump better, I think both will be bad; politicians and trump rarely do anything to better their country for the masses; so I only really concern myself with increasing my own opportunities as those will be what increases my success the most.

In my opinion Hillary will win anyways, the demographics have been tending to a majority democrats USA for decades and there isn't one thing any republican has done or likely will do to reverse that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on August 06, 2016, 11:27:00 AM

Texan

You are obviously a good man working hard and think you have a good democracy in the US.

Do you know who controls all your Media and brainwashing you?

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all your MEDIA organisations, are supplied their news from Reuters and Associated Press. Who owns Associated Press and Bloomberg? .... The new Organisation Thomson - Reuters.

Finally who are the owners of Thomson - Reuters?

Well you have to make your own research.... to find out. Try wikipedia..... may help you.

When you finish with that ... can you tell me who owns the company that has the responsibility for counting the votes?

Well when you start to understand who controls all your banking system..... you may start thinking differently.

Let me help you a little....

[attachimg=2]

LOOK very carefully the Seal and the back of your Dollar..... and then you ma click.

Have a nice weekend.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 09, 2016, 10:06:04 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/us/politics/national-security-gop-donald-trump.html?_r=0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 09, 2016, 11:47:06 AM

Quote from: TomT on August 09, 2016, 10:06:04 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/us/politics/national-security-gop-donald-trump.html?_r=0

I would expect nothing less,from the government that puts thousands of troops close to Russia. Trump sees Russia as a possible partner, which goes against what our government has been saying.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 09, 2016, 04:35:29 PM

Trump is doing just fine with raising funds. :)
PRESIDENTIAL

'Wake Up Call': Clinton camp raises alarm over Trump fundraising

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/09/wake-up-call-clinton-camp-raises-alarm-over-trump-fundraising.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 10, 2016, 09:22:05 AM

Trump's base is to blame for enabling him to suggest that "second amendment people" might assassinate Clinton and then pretending (in some cases, not pretending) to be stupid about his meaning.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 10, 2016, 09:31:30 AM

I suspect Trump is already painting a picture about the system foiled his election to be president.

On the other hand there seem to be weekly revelations about Clinton that only add to the fact that she is unsuitable for anything more than president of the PTA. The video that Wiz posted while a hatchet job raises some valid issues of integrity.

Than again politics around the planet have never been much about character.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 10, 2016, 12:15:14 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 10, 2016, 09:31:30 AM

the fact that she is unsuitable for anything more than president of the PTA.

I dont think I would want her making decisions that affected the day-to-day welfare of my kids. Even for a PTA, you need someone honest, who does what they say, who has integrity, who is not in the pocket of others and who is interested in doing the right thing by the kids whose welfare they are charged with looking after. I wouldn't vote her to be a local school governor. The woman is incapable of even keeping emails secure.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 10, 2016, 02:02:57 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 10, 2016, 12:15:14 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 10, 2016, 09:31:30 AM
the fact that she is unsuitable for anything more than president of the PTA.

I dont think I would want her making decisions that affected the day-to-day welfare of my kids. Even for a PTA, you need someone honest, who does what they say, who has integrity, who is not in the pocket of others and who is interested in doing the right thing by the kids whose welfare they are charged with looking after. I wouldn't vote her to be a local school governor. The woman is incapable of even keeping emails secure.

You have a valid point tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 10, 2016, 03:57:20 PM

Hillary has a lot of skeletons in her closet. It's only a matter of time before she will be brought up on charges.
Trump might be a bit rough around the edges, but with the right people coaching him, he will be a much better president than Hillary.

#PayToPlay: Hillary Clinton faces corruption scandal after links between donors & State Dept exposed

https://www.rt.com/usa/355447-clinton-emails-state-department-foundation/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 10, 2016, 07:40:00 PM

http://sputniknews.com/us/20160807/1044018334/michael-morell-clinton-benghazi.html

"Ex-deputy CIA Director Michael Morell who has presented himself as non-partisan, endorsed Hillary Clinton after he had been caught covering up the Benghazi attacks saying that they were the result of a spontaneous protest in response to an anti-Islamic video rather than a terrorist attack that the Obama administration should have been prepared for."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 11, 2016, 04:33:28 AM

Whilst it is surely true that the nature of modern media tends to give a huge amount of confirmation bias I am sure that little polls such as those on this thread are not untypical of the real world, unforced, opinion of real people.

That's not to say that they are correct in their opinions, but that the number of people who will vote for Trump is way higher than current 'official' polling suggests.

Now that Team Clinton is following Team Trump in moving away from issues and 'facts' and into emotions and 'feelz' Clinton is likely to see an uptick in measured support but I am sure that there's enough bad shit in the Clinton family business that it is going to be difficult to persuade even the most ardently unthinking Democrat supporter that Clinton is any kind of safe pair of hands for the task of taking up the leadership of the Free World!

I have read some suggestions that elements of what we call the Deep State are now sabotaging the Clinton campaign on the grounds that she can not carry out her designed mission with such low credibility even if she wins the popular vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 12, 2016, 12:06:05 PM

The Trump campaign was summoned by the Republican Party for a "Come to Jesus" meeting today in Florida.

Trump was ordered by Reince Priebus to start running a more acceptable and traditional campaign or the Republican Party will abandon him and concentrate 100% on down-ballot races.

Trump, who in spite of facing the most vulnerable Democrat candidate since George Mc Govern refuses to press the attack against his opponent glaring weaknesses because he's such a narcissist he cannot go one day without talking about himself.

The guy has already lost.

Refusing to release his tax returns is icing on his cake of defeat.

Thanks again Trumpsters for the next four years of Hillary.

Thanks a lot :fighting0025:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on August 12, 2016, 02:53:12 PM

Clinton foundation under investigation.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joint-fbi-us-attorney-probe-of-clinton-foundation-is-underway/ar-BBvwVw5?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 12, 2016, 05:24:10 PM

OMG!

Question:
What serious candidate publicly talks about losing the November election in the middle of August?

Answer:
A guy that knows he's going to get beat like a red-headed step-child.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/11/trump-if-i-lose-ill-have-a-nice-long-vacation.html

Again, thanks Trumpsters. Thanks a lot for completely selling out our country to the liberals.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on August 12, 2016, 06:28:07 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 12, 2016, 05:24:10 PM

OMG!

Question:
What serious candidate publicly talks about losing the November election in the middle of August?

Answer:
A guy that knows he's going to get beat like a red-headed step-child.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/11/trump-if-i-lose-ill-have-a-nice-long-vacation.html

Again, thanks Trumpsters. Thanks a lot for completely selling out our country to the liberals.

An honest candidate who listens to you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on August 13, 2016, 06:53:57 AM

Quote from: bagalia on August 12, 2016, 06:28:07 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 12, 2016, 05:24:10 PM
OMG!

Question:
What serious candidate publicly talks about losing the November election in the middle of August?

Answer:
A guy that knows he's going to get beat like a red-headed step-child.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/11/trump-if-i-lose-ill-have-a-nice-long-vacation.html

Again, thanks Trumpsters. Thanks a lot for completely selling out our country to the liberals.

An honest candidate who listens to you.

Shakespear where are we likely to be four years from now? Economic growth is slower each quarter. We are over due for a recession. Hillary likely elected and impeached. Democrats completely discredit. Finally with any luck America will be ready for some real change and ready to elect someone that can bring it about. Maybe we will be ready for our form of BRexit and stop electing these globalist looking for a one world government. Maybe someone who is not hell bend on bankrupting the country and control entitlements. Well just maybe. Careful what you wish for it might not be as good as what is already happening.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 13, 2016, 10:50:09 AM

Given what we know about Clinton there's strong inference that can be taken: a vote for Clinton is a vote for her running mate.

Or, possibly worse, a vote for unknown, unelected, unaccountable, shadows who will be pulling the strings upon an embattled, sick, frightened, puppet.

A puppet with neither strength or time to resist.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on August 13, 2016, 05:51:20 PM

Prosecutor going after Hillary. Tomcat's girl going to be dead meat. The her running mate the likely vice president will take over.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3736807/Is-America-s-toughest-prosecutor-acting-Clinton-Foundation-Preet-Bharara-scourge-corrupt-NY-pols-investigating-family-charity.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 14, 2016, 10:09:57 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on August 13, 2016, 05:51:20 PM

Prosecutor going after Hillary. Tomcat's girl going to be dead meat. The her running mate the likely vice president will take over.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3736807/Is-America-s-toughest-prosecutor-acting-Clinton-Foundation-Preet-Bharara-scourge-corrupt-NY-pols-investigating-family-charity.html

Texan, maybe you meant double T.. Hillary definitely is not my girl :sick0012:
It would be great if Hillary would be prosecuted, but seems the Clintons are above the law.
I think there will be a well timed release of emails that will put Trump firmly on top prior to the election.
All Trump needs to do is put together a solid campaign during the final month. If Trump can do that, he will easily win comes November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 14, 2016, 10:29:11 AM

It is hard to imagine how any other person could get away with the stuff she has, apparently, getting away with.

It certainly looks as though there's a whole heap of careers being gambled upon a Team Clinton victory in November. Sadly the network effect of those expectations might make her untouchable. The worst thing about that, apart from the likely slide into a war that nobody in the civilised world wants to see, is that there's going to be an uncommonly massive crop of venal and dishonest people all expecting career advancing favours from the new president.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 14, 2016, 10:33:28 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 12, 2016, 05:24:10 PM

OMG!

Question:
What serious candidate publicly talks about losing the November election in the middle of August?

Answer:
A guy that knows he's going to get beat like a red-headed step-child.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/11/trump-if-i-lose-ill-have-a-nice-long-vacation.html

Again, thanks Trumpsters. Thanks a lot for completely selling out our country to the liberals.

Shakespeare, the republicans had two opportunities to defeat Obama, how'd that turn out?
Don't be blaming Trumps supporters for weakness within the republican party.

I personally don't believe Clinton is even in the running at the moment.
I live in a democratic state, yet Trump seems to be the candidate that people talk about.
The liberal media is the only thing that for the moment is showing Clinton has a lead. Go out and talk to the average Joe, and you will see the overwhelming support for Trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 14, 2016, 11:11:05 AM

Tom, looking from the outside in I am sure that you are right.

With regard to the polls, a week or two ago I write here about how Reuters had changed their polling methodology in a manner that emphasised Clinton at Trump's expense. I would bet lots of imaginary Internet dollars that the other major pollsters have followed suite. Why would I think that to be the case?
Well, the poll that they altered was the first to show her overtaking Trump as a result of that change. Other polls subsequently showed a similar change in direction. It beggars belief that a poll we KNOW was altered would show very similar results to polls that we don't know were altered unless those other polls were reflecting a similar change to methodology.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 14, 2016, 11:35:44 AM

Now is exactly the right time to be launching a meme about rigged elections.

There's several reasons to do so but the most important is that he is going to be working hard to make it entirely obvious that he has won, even if the election results go against him. He wants t mobilise the largest possible number of people so that there's such a landslide that rigging the election to change the result is impractical.

Previous election rigging has, it seems, come down to a few votes in one or to counties in one or two states. Team Trump's people are not foolish, they seek to ensure that any vote rigging has to be large scale and obvious. Don't forget, Team Trump will be doing ongoing polling, they know the real figures and are well up to date with the trends. Their numbers will not have been manipulated.

Essentially Team Trump are saying that if they want to see a Trump presidency then voters can not be complacent, they must own the election and be part of the process, they can't rely upon their neighbours to do the right thing.

Of course, this meme is also part of the larger Criminal Clinton meme and the vote rigging riffs of that criminality. Each time that her dishonesty is mentioned it will strengthen the idea of vote rigging in the mind of voters and, of course, the other way round too.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 14, 2016, 01:47:06 PM

Andrew understands better than most here in the United states.

The article link below, is informative for those who believe what the liberal media has been feeding the public.

Why The Media Disinformation Campaign Against Trump Will Fail

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/why-media-disinformation-campaign-against-donald-trump-will-fail/ri16024

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 14, 2016, 02:36:09 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 14, 2016, 10:33:28 AM

I personally don't believe Clinton is even in the running at the moment.

You are correct; Clinton doesn't have a chance and Trump will probably win by a landslide.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 14, 2016, 03:29:36 PM

I would have to agree with the results of this App.

App maker: Trump will win election

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2016/08/13/app-maker---trump-win-election/88640044/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 15, 2016, 07:28:40 AM

The Republican Party needs to learn from the fiasco that Trump's ego created this year and make changes for 2020.

1. Eliminate "winner take all" primaries. No way a candidate that gets 45% of the popular vote should get 100% of that states delegates (Florida).

2. If the top two candidates in the state primary fail to achieve a total of 51% of the popular vote, then all of the states delegates will be considered "unbound" until the convention.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 15, 2016, 08:35:37 AM

Manafort is going to have a bad week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 15, 2016, 08:38:30 AM

Someone obviously is keen on seeing more corruption in the US 'democratic' process!

Perhaps it is time to stop whining about the most popular Republican candidate ever.

Just because YOU don't like the candidate does not invalidate the choice made by millions of Republican voters. Trying to game the system to make it easier to overturn the will of the electorate seems far removed from a supposedly democratic process.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on August 15, 2016, 04:18:48 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 15, 2016, 08:38:30 AM

Someone obviously is keen on seeing more corruption in the US 'democratic' process!

Perhaps it is time to stop whining about the most popular Republican candidate ever.

Just because YOU don't like the candidate does not invalidate the choice made by millions of Republican voters. Trying to game the system to make it easier to overturn the will of the electorate seems far removed from a supposedly democratic process.

Bloody hell.....stop stealing my thoughts!!

It's bizarre how some folks dislike democracy when it doesn't suit their agenda. Scary!

I'm sure Moby and his fellow 'inners' would lap this stuff up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 15, 2016, 05:20:18 PM

Quote from: rosco on August 15, 2016, 04:18:48 PM

It's bizarre how some folks dislike democracy when it doesn't suit their agenda. Scary!

I'm sure Moby and his fellow 'inners' would lap this stuff up.

Yep. The Remainers like Moby find democracy most inconvenient.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 15, 2016, 06:30:57 PM

What a country we live in, if you want unbiased reporting on Donald Trump, you have to turn to the Russian media.

'Extreme, extreme vetting': Trump's plan to fight 'radical Islam'

https://www.rt.com/usa/356059-trump-foreign-policy-ohio/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 15, 2016, 07:25:08 PM

Win or lose, Donald Trump has done more than any candidate in recent years to bring up subjects that need to be dealt with.
Political correctness and the lack of politicians to stand up against the establishment has hurt the United states at home, and around the world.

Why is it so wrong to establish a better relationship with Russia?
Many of us here know and understand what a great country Russia is, and how accepting the Russian people can be.
We as a nation have not any room to judge others. This country was built on slavery, and by killing hundreds of thousands of native Americans stealing their lands.
Does fifty, one hundred or more years change the fact of the crimes committed?

Each new generation has the ability to right the wrongful ways of the past.
But in order to do that we must look beyond the past of others.
Donald Trump is not a polished politician. What Donald Trump is, is the man that has a very good grasp of what needs to be done, only lacking the verbal skills to convey his thoughts a tad bit milder.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on August 15, 2016, 07:31:00 PM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 16, 2016, 07:48:12 AM

Trump's 'ISIS Founders' Charge Was Actually Very Smart Media Manipulation

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/greatest-cognitive-dissonance-trap-all-time/ri16036

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 16, 2016, 07:53:08 AM

Another Clinton Disaster: America's 20 Year Drug-Fueled Special Op to Infiltrate Turkey (Video)

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/wikileaks-hillary-gulen-intimate-ties-how-clintons-gave-birth-mullah-gulens-terrorist

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Boris on August 16, 2016, 09:01:08 AM

The problems for Republicans is that the demographics of the US and the makeup of the States as represented in the Electoral College make it very difficult for them to win a Presidential election now and in the future. They have the potential for much more success in state and congressional elections.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 16, 2016, 09:30:56 AM

Quote from: Boris on August 16, 2016, 09:01:08 AM

The problems for Republicans is that the demographics of the US and the makeup of the States as represented in the Electoral College make it very difficult for them to win a Presidential election now and in the future. They have the potential for much more success in state and congressional elections.

True. However the REAL problem with the Republicans is they were stupid enough to nominate a huckster candidate that has no chance of winning the election in November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 16, 2016, 09:33:36 AM

Quote from: rosco on August 15, 2016, 04:18:48 PM

Just because YOU don't like the candidate does not invalidate the choice made by millions of Republican voters.

More Republicans voted for a candidate OTHER than Trump in the primary election than voted for Trump. That's the root source of the problem.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 16, 2016, 11:44:06 AM

Trump actually gave a credible speech yesterday with some reasoned ideas on how to improve the immigration procedure in the USA.

Too bad the mainstream media won't fairly cover the story.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on August 16, 2016, 02:47:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 16, 2016, 11:44:06 AM

Trump actually gave a credible speech yesterday with some reasoned ideas on how to improve the immigration procedure in the USA.

On the positive side, because of Obama's immigration policy, the US is odds-on to win the World Cup in 2022, 2026 and 2030. :chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 16, 2016, 04:12:16 PM

Cuffy's absence has been conspicuous but, fear not, he turned up at a Trump rally in Florida.

Speaking of Florida...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on August 16, 2016, 05:01:51 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 16, 2016, 09:30:56 AM

Quote from: Boris on August 16, 2016, 09:01:08 AM
The problems for Republicans is that the demographics of the US and the makeup of the States as represented in the Electoral College make it very difficult for them to win a Presidential election now and in the future. They have the potential for much more success in state and congressional elections.

True. However the REAL problem with the Republicans is they were stupid enough to nominate a huckster candidate that has no chance of winning the election in November.

If Trump was the democrat and Hillary the republican and Trump would talk about give away programs all day he would easily win. Cruz would not be doing much if any better.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 16, 2016, 07:04:27 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on August 16, 2016, 05:01:51 PM

If Trump was the democrat and Hillary the republican and Trump would talk about give away programs all day he would easily win. Cruz would not be doing much if any better.

True that. It's tough to beat Santa Claus in an election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 17, 2016, 07:04:07 AM

Michigan just lost toss-up status and the implications are obvious to everyone except Trump supporters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on August 17, 2016, 08:39:54 AM

Quote from: TomT on August 17, 2016, 07:04:07 AM

Michigan just lost toss-up status and the implications are obvious to everyone except Trump supporters.

Reuters admitted that they modified substantially (i.e. cooked) their polling - and surprise! - Hillary took the lead after that. It's likely that other polls have this or similar problems - such as a lot of people having only cell phones, many people refusing to participate in polls, etc.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-30/clinton-lead-over-trump-surges-after-reuters-tweaks-poll

I wouldn't discount the impact of the media ("luegenpresse") to lie and deflect and shill for Mrs. Parkinsons. Cooked polls are the least of the worries in terms of media reporting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 17, 2016, 09:12:39 AM

I have mentioned this sampling issues in current polls. The degree of over sampling of Democrats ranges, based upon publicly available figures ranges from 15-100%.

Basically this oversampling is the number of extra Democrats that have to be added to the universe of poll responses to give the result that the pollsters 'think' we should see.

Right now, unless a poll states clearly the number of respondents identifying as GOP and Democrat and those numbers are almost the same then the poll has been fudged and can not be relied upon as any kind of accurate.

Of course, internally and for private clients the real results are available. Your leaders do not think their Marching Morons (you lot) deserve any better.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 17, 2016, 09:53:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 17, 2016, 09:12:39 AM

Right now, unless a poll states clearly the number of respondents identifying as GOP and Democrat and those numbers are almost the same then the poll has been fudged and can not be relied upon as any kind of accurate.

As a general guideline, the USA is made up of 40% registered Democrats, 30% registered Republicans and 30% Independents. Individual states have a different demographic in regard to voter registration. Why shouldn't polls reflect those facts?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 17, 2016, 05:39:04 PM

Quote from: Slumba on August 17, 2016, 08:39:54 AM

It's likely that other polls have this or similar problems - such as a lot of people having only cell phones, many people refusing to participate in polls, etc.

I fear that the discussion of polling accuracy will never be resolved because, if Trump loses by whatever margin that they predict, Trump supporters (and Andy) will simply claim that the election was rigged anyway.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 17, 2016, 06:33:37 PM

As, off the wall as Trump's comments may be, in reality he is the voice of reason.

War With Russia: The Goddamdest Stupid Idea Ever

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/hillary-trump-and-war-russia-goddamdest-stupid-idea-i-have-ever-heard-and-i-have-lived

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 17, 2016, 06:46:50 PM

There's more reasons to back Trump, than following the party line.

The Choice in November is Between Competing Factions of The Global Financial Elites

http://russia-insider.com/en/choice-november-between-competing-factions-global-financial-elites/ri16053

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on August 17, 2016, 07:22:59 PM

Quote from: TomT on August 17, 2016, 05:39:04 PM

Quote from: Slumba on August 17, 2016, 08:39:54 AM
It's likely that other polls have this or similar problems - such as a lot of people having only cell phones, many people refusing to participate in polls, etc.

I fear that the discussion of polling accuracy will never be resolved because, if Trump loses by whatever margin that they predict, Trump supporters (and Andy) will simply claim that the election was rigged anyway.

Do you 100% discount the possibility?

When previous vote fraud that has won statewide races has been found out and acknowledged to have happened?

Is Salon.com part of the rabble of rabid Trump supporters? http://www.salon.com/2016/02/14/election_fraud_chicago_style_illinois_decades_old_notoriety_for_election_corruption_is_legendary/

Quote

Illinois’s decades-old notoriety for election corruption is legendary. Many people still remember stories about the first Mayor Richard A. Daley rigging the presidential election of John F. Kennedy in 1960, for example, but even in those times, electoral fraud was probably common in local elections. In fact, the bigger news in the 1960 election was that State’s Attorney Benjamin Adamowski, a Republican running for reelection, was posed to run against Richard J. Daley in the next mayoral race. Common knowledge attributed his loss most definitely to fraud.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 17, 2016, 07:48:47 PM

The interest in Donald Trump, and the masses that follow his every move, will not show in polls.
We have seen how biased the western media is, why would they be honest now?

Take a look at the number of readers following Trump on one site, kinda impressive.

Donald Trump Is The Candidate From Breitbart News

(Quote)
The site’s traffic grew to more than 30 million unique readers last month, thanks to its pugilistic style and Trump boosterism ― and much to the dismay of many in Republican media and political circles

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57b49a78e4b0b42c38afc52f

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 17, 2016, 08:02:25 PM

Tom, the manipulation of opinion polls is not a matter of speculation, it is a matter of record.

We do not know what the outcome of the general election will be but we do know the current numbers are manipulated. The truth is that manipulation of the data to get a desired output can be a viable technique. Polls are often manipulated so that the output better represents the real world.

What we do not know in this case is the real motivation for the manipulation. We do know that media outlets have been guilty of using polling reports to alter expected voters behaviour, we know that they did so in the primaries to favour Clinton over Sanders. It is not unreasonable to suppose that this tendency did not stop after Sanders withdrew.

This is why it is important to look at the small print associated with polls published. When, or if, sample sizes are altered from an approximate 50/50 split or a genuine random sample in a two horse race then we need to know. It seems that this information is not, as a matter of course, being shared.

Remember Tom, I have no dog in the fight. I am interested in the process and what it tells us about US society.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 18, 2016, 11:12:54 AM

Quote from: Slumba on August 17, 2016, 07:22:59 PM

Do you 100% discount the possibility?

There is as much chance of that happening on a large scale as there is of Obama creating FEMA detention camps for those who oppose his imposition of martial law.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 18, 2016, 12:57:51 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 17, 2016, 08:02:25 PM

We do not know what the outcome of the general election will be

I think we have a good idea. The low information voters (as they are called) will turn out in droves for Trump. They are not answering polls or engaging online or following him on Twitter. It's the silent group we saw with Brexit. Anyone who doesn't like the Mexicans, anyone anti-establishment, anti-Clinton, all those little places across the US filled with those small bungalows full of those with modest incomes. Trump has already won those guys. If he can pull off actually having some policies that some of the higher information voters will believe, he has nailed it. If he can win some black votes with sensible policies that may help out in some of their communities, more so.

He could easily pull a 5%-10% swing come polling day.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on August 18, 2016, 03:31:42 PM

Quote from: TomT on August 18, 2016, 11:12:54 AM

Quote from: Slumba on August 17, 2016, 07:22:59 PM
Do you 100% discount the possibility?

There is as much chance of that happening on a large scale as there is of Obama creating FEMA detention camps for those who oppose his imposition of martial law.

So it never happened with JFK in 1960? Daley, for instance, never fixed the votes for JFK, is that your contention?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 18, 2016, 04:39:23 PM

Quote from: TomT on August 18, 2016, 11:12:54 AM

Quote from: Slumba on August 17, 2016, 07:22:59 PM
Do you 100% discount the possibility?

There is as much chance of that happening on a large scale as there is of Obama creating FEMA detention camps for those who oppose his imposition of martial law.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 18, 2016, 05:16:41 PM

When looking outside the mainstream media, there's a very different take on Trumps chances to win the presidency.

The US Establishment's Secret Plan To Hand Trump the Presidency

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/could-trump-pull-post-party-coalition/ri16057

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 19, 2016, 10:36:24 AM

Manafort abandoned Trump's sinking ship before being thrown overboard.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 20, 2016, 06:01:19 AM

Quote from: TomT on August 19, 2016, 10:36:24 AM

Manafort abandoned Trump's sinking ship before being thrown overboard.

Not very likely. What we are now seeing is a change in emphasis, of style. Now is when Trump does the presidential thing and amps up the fear meme in respect of Clinton. As we can see that change is now evident.

Manafort's replacement, Steve Bannon, is the executive chairman of Breitbart News. He brings a wealth of new media savvy and network, very important given that the trump campaign relies upon new media to a much greater degree than 'old media' - tv, radio, print.
In business one brings on advisors as required, Trump is accustomed to that process, he and his team seek out the people needed for different phases of the venture.

Whether Manafort resigned or was pushed is open to debate but my guess is that Manafort was not surprised by the change in direction and thus the need for a new chief executive.

In addition, I'd guess that future political campaigns will look much more like the Trump campaign than the Clinton one, both in terms of how they work and in terms of how they are structured. We will see more very short term guns for hire, although, the next development will likely be that, in order to conceal upcoming changes, staff will not leave campaigns, but will simply be retained and supplanted. Right now though, the overt strategy works because Team Clinton have no idea what is going on, at least in strategic terms.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 20, 2016, 11:55:59 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/manaforts-ukraine-ties-being-probed-by-fbi-013933245.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 21, 2016, 08:25:15 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 20, 2016, 06:01:19 AM

Quote from: TomT on August 19, 2016, 10:36:24 AM
Manafort abandoned Trump's sinking ship before being thrown overboard.

Not very likely. What we are now seeing is a change in emphasis, of style. Now is when Trump does the presidential thing and amps up the fear meme in respect of Clinton. As we can see that change is now evident.

Manafort's replacement, Steve Bannon, is the executive chairman of Breitbart News. He brings a wealth of new media savvy and network, very important given that the trump campaign relies upon new media to a much greater degree than 'old media' - tv, radio, print.
In business one brings on advisors as required, Trump is accustomed to that process, he and his team seek out the people needed for different phases of the venture.

Whether Manafort resigned or was pushed is open to debate but my guess is that Manafort was not surprised by the change in direction and thus the need for a new chief executive.

In addition, I'd guess that future political campaigns will look much more like the Trump campaign than the Clinton one, both in terms of how they work and in terms of how they are structured. We will see more very short term guns for hire, although, the next development will likely be that, in order to conceal upcoming changes, staff will not leave campaigns, but will simply be retained and supplanted. Right now though, the overt strategy works because Team Clinton have no idea what is going on, at least in strategic terms.

:thumbsup:

As I understand Manafort was to help steer Trump through the nomination process. Which he has done, whether he was pushed under the train or jumped does not matter.

Bannon speaks the conservative language and fully understands the media and how to use it. That he comes with conservative following can help Trump with a population that is already largely behind him. He has not as far as far as I can see done anything to appeal to either minority voters or women voters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on August 21, 2016, 09:33:05 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 21, 2016, 08:25:15 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 20, 2016, 06:01:19 AM
Quote from: TomT on August 19, 2016, 10:36:24 AM
Manafort abandoned Trump's sinking ship before being thrown overboard.

Not very likely. What we are now seeing is a change in emphasis, of style. Now is when Trump does the presidential thing and amps up the fear meme in respect of Clinton. As we can see that change is now evident.

Manafort's replacement, Steve Bannon, is the executive chairman of Breitbart News. He brings a wealth of new media savvy and network, very important given that the trump campaign relies upon new media to a much greater degree than 'old media' - tv, radio, print.
In business one brings on advisors as required, Trump is accustomed to that process, he and his team seek out the people needed for different phases of the venture.

Whether Manafort resigned or was pushed is open to debate but my guess is that Manafort was not surprised by the change in direction and thus the need for a new chief executive.

In addition, I'd guess that future political campaigns will look much more like the Trump campaign than the Clinton one, both in terms of how they work and in terms of how they are structured. We will see more very short term guns for hire, although, the next development will likely be that, in order to conceal upcoming changes, staff will not leave campaigns, but will simply be retained and supplanted. Right now though, the overt strategy works because Team Clinton have no idea what is going on, at least in strategic terms.

:thumbsup:

As I understand Manafort was to help steer Trump through the nomination process. Which he has done, whether he was pushed under the train or jumped does not matter.

Bannon speaks the conservative language and fully understands the media and how to use it. That he comes with conservative following can help Trump with a population that is already largely behind him. He has not as far as far as I can see done anything to appeal to either minority voters or women voters.

Trump's new TV ad uses "safe" as a main theme - likely to appeal to women voters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 21, 2016, 10:26:06 AM

Quote from: TomT on August 20, 2016, 11:55:59 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/manaforts-ukraine-ties-being-probed-by-fbi-013933245.html

Irony: FBI, DOJ Launch Criminal Probe of Hillary Campaign Chair Over Putin LinksRead more:

http://m.sputniknews.com/politics/20160821/1044476988/fbi-doj-podesta-clinton-yanukovych.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 21, 2016, 11:08:44 AM

Quote from: Slumba on August 21, 2016, 09:33:05 AM

Trump's new TV ad uses "safe" as a main theme - likely to appeal to women voters.

Of course. This television ad will make this class of voters just forget about all the misogynistic comments and behaviors he has exhibited over the past 50 or so years and vote for HIM over an actual woman candidate.

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on August 21, 2016, 05:44:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 21, 2016, 11:08:44 AM

Quote from: Slumba on August 21, 2016, 09:33:05 AM
Trump's new TV ad uses "safe" as a main theme - likely to appeal to women voters.

Of course. This television ad will make this class of voters just forget about all the misogynistic comments and behaviors he has exhibited over the past 50 or so years and vote for HIM over an actual woman candidate.

:ROFL:

I dunno.

My view is that only older feminists, lesbians (but I repeat myself), and single,bitter cat ladies truly love Hillary.

The young women and many of the married of whatever age look askance at her money-grubbing and her win-at-any-cost attitude. They remember that she put up with her obvious philandering husband purely in the pursuit of power.

I could be wrong, but I think her support is a mile wide -and 1.02 inches deep.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 21, 2016, 07:22:14 PM

Most of the current state polls showing Clinton leading. Below is an example of the 98 governor race in Minnesota just days before the election. The liberal media had the democratic candidate leading the republican,with Ventura some 13 points behind, Ventura won. Trump will most likely experience the same low polling, but come out on top in the election.
Don't discount Trump, come November

MINNESOTA GOVERNOR POLL Oct. 15-18Humphrey 35%Coleman 34%Ventura 21%Source: Minneapolis Star Tribune/KMSP-TVMargin of Error: +/- 3.5% pts

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/10/27/mn.gov/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 21, 2016, 07:38:26 PM

If current polls were to be recentered to match earlier polls what would the results be?

I rather doubt that any pollsters would provide the raw survey data to enable that measurement to be made.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 22, 2016, 02:26:58 PM

There are many signs that Trump may be doing much better than the media is giving him credit.

Hope for Trump: GOP winning registration race in key states

In Pennsylvania, Florida, Iowa and North Carolina, more new voters identify as Republicans.Read more:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-voter-registration-republican-battleground-227216

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 22, 2016, 02:40:11 PM

Trump made a brilliant move asking black voters "what do you have to lose" in asking for their vote.

Don't know if it will make a significant difference but it's a valid question. Old habits are hard to break. 50 years of Democrat support has gotten them nothing but poverty and loss of the American dream.

One of his new advisers gave him some great advice. With Trump polling about 2% in the black community right now he has virtually zero downside for this play.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 22, 2016, 03:12:53 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 22, 2016, 02:40:11 PM

the American dream.

You still selling each other that?

(http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/96696460-one-family.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 22, 2016, 05:29:12 PM

http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/22/melania-trump-threatens-legal-action-over-reports-she-was-an-escort/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 23, 2016, 09:42:03 AM

Quote from: Slumba on August 21, 2016, 05:44:14 PM

My view is that only older feminists, lesbians (but I repeat myself), and single,bitter cat ladies truly love Hillary.

How is this more enlightened than someone opining that only SRMs love Trump?

Speaking of Trump-lovers, Cuffy and Anteros haven't been active since August. Perhaps the bad news is beginning to sink in.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on August 24, 2016, 10:00:19 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on August 04, 2016, 09:26:01 AM

RUA correctly called Brexit. Can it do the same for the Presidency?

That's something to shout loudly about ?! ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 24, 2016, 11:28:06 AM

NOW Trump is saying

(1) he NEVER really intended to "build a wall" and

(2) he never really intended to deport 11 million illegal aliens that are currently in our country

No shit.

You Trumpsters are really stupid for believing him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on August 24, 2016, 02:28:56 PM

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/wow-monmouth-refigures-poll-trump-comes-lead-hillary-clinton/

An interesting 2 paragraph piece on what you are seeing in this race.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on August 24, 2016, 02:33:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 24, 2016, 11:28:06 AM

NOW Trump is saying

(1) he NEVER really intended to "build a wall" and

(2) he never really intended to deport 11 million illegal aliens that are currently in our country

No shit.

You Trumpsters are really stupid for believing him.

You should be happy that the Donald is conforming now. This is what you get along with the new team and scripted speeches. However... keep an eye on his campaign website where his official plans are listed. No change so far on immigration.

You should be about ready to vote for Trump now. Pretty soon you will be campaigning.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 24, 2016, 05:23:49 PM

Controversial UK Leader Says He'll Speak at Trump Rally

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/controversial-uk-leader-says-he-ll-speak-trump-rally-n637166

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on August 24, 2016, 11:51:55 PM

http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2016/08/ap_clinton_zo_corrupt_als_een.html

:GRAVE:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 25, 2016, 07:02:35 PM

Interesting take on how Russians and Ukrainians view the election.

Letter From Moscow

Trump Is Already Helping Putin Consolidate Control of Ukraine

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/08/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-vladimir-putin-214180

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 25, 2016, 08:00:05 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on August 04, 2016, 09:26:01 AM

RUA correctly called Brexit. Can it do the same for the Presidency?

The respondents of this poll are mostly white men over 50 with conservative leanings. Accordingly, the results are so slanted that they should be an insult to average intelligence which, as you know, isn't very special.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 26, 2016, 07:50:11 AM

If other demographic groups are represented, then a different picture emerges:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on August 26, 2016, 11:18:25 AM

Really? Then how can this come about?

67% Trump, 10% Clinton when 50,000 people are polled by an independant source. Quite different from the polls you show. How come?

But lets forget about that for a moment... lets say that this poll is just as tainted as they say the polls you are showing are. Pay attention to what Josh says about social media in that youtube link. Trump is slaughtering Hillary in terms of followers. Sure Trump can have a lot of followers that won't end up voting for him, but if only half of his followers are voting for him it is still a landslide. That is a stat that is there for all to see, no way it can be manipulated. Can you honestly say the majority of his social media followers are white males over 50 with conservative leanings? :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 26, 2016, 01:40:22 PM

Quote from: TomT on August 25, 2016, 08:00:05 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on August 04, 2016, 09:26:01 AM
RUA correctly called Brexit. Can it do the same for the Presidency?

The respondents of this poll are mostly white men over 50 with conservative leanings. Accordingly, the results are so slanted that they should be an insult to average intelligence which, as you know, isn't very special.

The fact remains that the US needs change. Fewer wars and aggressive projection abroad. Addressing the immigration issues from the leaky southern border. Plenty of domestic stuff overdue from helping the folks at the bottom of society to the black issues and the cops gunning folks down randomly, etc.

Clinton is "more of the same" and will guarantee more wars and disruption across the world to enrich the cronies and elites.

Trump is the only alternative choice if you dont want more of the same.

It's not like you folks have a lot of people to vote for. You have two: The woman who is the Neocon's Neocon, cronyism, corruption, incompetence, warmongering, etc., etc. Or the bloke who says other stuff that people want to hear. Is he ideal? Perhaps not. But a stuffed monkey would be preferable to another Clinton/Bush/Neocon. He could do no worse than that awful warmongering woman. So based on that alone, he is the best choice. And heck, a bit of business acumen and the desire to make friends abroad at the top in the US wouldn't hurt the world, eh?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 26, 2016, 03:23:01 PM

Quote from: d672 on August 26, 2016, 11:18:25 AM

67% Trump, 10% Clinton when 50,000 people are polled by an independant source. Quite different from the polls you show. How come?

Only a fool would believe that Trump is 57 percentage points ahead. The poll was run by the Arizona Freedom Alliance; do your homework, for God's sake!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 26, 2016, 03:29:30 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 26, 2016, 01:40:22 PM

Clinton is "more of the same" and will guarantee more wars and disruption across the world to enrich the cronies and elites.

Trump is the only alternative choice if you dont want more of the same.

If Trump is elected president I fear many writers for comedy shows will suddenly be looking for a job. Trump by is own words will do his own writing for the various late night programs.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 26, 2016, 03:38:25 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 26, 2016, 01:40:22 PM

The fact remains that the US needs change.

If we elect a mentally ill president in the name of change, remember that you wished for it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 26, 2016, 03:49:24 PM

Quote from: TomT on August 26, 2016, 03:38:25 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 26, 2016, 01:40:22 PM
The fact remains that the US needs change.

If we elect a mentally ill president in the name of change, remember that you wished for it.

Hillary Clinton is evil to the core. Trump is actually a very intelligent man, he knows his main voter base, and simply put things in a way they understand.
Keep in mind he's not a polished politician, but when needed he can deliver a moving speach.

Can you Imagine four years of Hillary's head bopping up and down every time she speaks? Gawd, it's like she's a living bobble head.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 26, 2016, 04:08:50 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 26, 2016, 03:49:24 PM

... he knows his main voter base, and simply put things in a way they understand.

Absolutely! His followers knew that he hinted about a political assassination.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on August 26, 2016, 11:02:38 PM

Quote from: TomT on August 26, 2016, 03:23:01 PM

Quote from: d672 on August 26, 2016, 11:18:25 AM
67% Trump, 10% Clinton when 50,000 people are polled by an independant source. Quite different from the polls you show. How come?

Only a fool would believe that Trump is 57 percentage points ahead. The poll was run by the Arizona Freedom Alliance; do your homework, for God's sake!

Read my post again, I acknowledged that the poll might be BS. But what about the social media stats? That is what caught my attention. Care to explain that one to us?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 27, 2016, 05:16:49 AM

I am sure that polling is not capturing real views. There's several reasons for this and it isn't hard to research. The issues are long term and have been increasing over decades.

The decision to change the definition of voter universe a couple of months ago coincided with Clinton's apparent rise in polling. What seems to have happened is that pollsters altered their models to create an output closer to that which they expected (or wished to portray). We will not know for some time whether this choice was accurate or not but circumstantial evidence suggests otherwise. Look to social media to see the variance between what pollsters tell us and what real people are saying.

If looking for conspiracy theories then here's one: people who have made up their minds tend to not change them thus the roughly 25% who are committed to each candidate are fixed. The battleground is the large group of undecided people. It is a sad fact that people tend, in the end, to support winners (or those who seem to be winners). If there is enough noise telling us that Clinton is leading then a large part of those undecided will vote for her, or not bother to vote against her. Team Clinton is aware of this and used this knowledge in fixing some of the primary elections by telling the world she was the inevitable winner before this was the case. The idea being to get Sanders supporters to either not vote at all or change their vote to the 'winner' Clinton.

In addition pollsters are, on the whole, restricting themselves to a paradigm that is not relevant any longer: they are treating Trump as a Republican candidate and seeking to identify support within the party system and preferences. It became clear during the primaries that this was not accurate. Voters are supporting Trump as an individual and as a Republican only as a secondary priority.

Any poll that seeks to identify respondents as Republicans will under count the real support among voters, in addition those without landlines phones are underrepresented, those who have not declared a party affiliation are underrepresented, current modelling over represents those identifying as Democrat.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on August 27, 2016, 07:24:32 AM

Quote from: TomT on August 26, 2016, 03:38:25 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 26, 2016, 01:40:22 PM
The fact remains that the US needs change.

If we elect a mentally ill president in the name of change, remember that you wished for it.

I thought you didn't want to vote Trump? (Assuming of course, that you mean the proven mentally ill woman instead of the guesswork for the cro-magnon.).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 27, 2016, 07:48:05 AM

Quote from: d672 on August 26, 2016, 11:02:38 PM

But what about the social media stats?

If Trump wins by anything less than a landslide, then Josh Bernstein and his social media stats are full of shit. We'll know the actual results soon enough.

My original contention was that a poll with mostly conservative, white male respondents over 50 has little chance of reflecting the actual outcome because this group represents Trump's core base. Would anyone care to rebut the obvious?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 27, 2016, 09:59:52 AM

Tom, your assumption about Trump supporters is almost certainly incorrect but is likely a similar assumption to that made by pollsters.

It is likely that his support is rather broader than poll readers might think.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 27, 2016, 10:38:56 AM

The question is there any presidential poll, that is not biased in some form?

Andrew is correct that Trump's support is much broader than what the media would like us to believe.

Those that do support Trump are very passionate, and likely to vote in November.
Hillary supporters don't seem to have the same amount of passion, and might not make the effort to vote.
This is something that polls Do not reflect.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 27, 2016, 11:21:27 AM

I am sure that the candidates' internal polling is more informative than what we see; however pollsters do not work for free and thus they will, inevitably, tend to show what their paymasters want them to show.

If Trump's polling is markedly different from that which see is in the news/entertainment media there may well be reasons why Team Trump might choose to not gainsay the play polls we are shown. For example, how might Trump share with the Marching Morons the truth when that group of people, almost all voters, consistently display no aptitude for objective thought and rely upon 'feelz' as a substitute for mental activity. Better to present as an underdog providing a voice for those who perceive themselves voiceless - to that end being seen as behind in the polls likely has a motivational effect upon voters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 27, 2016, 02:30:04 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 27, 2016, 09:59:52 AM

Tom, your assumption about Trump supporters is almost certainly incorrect...

It's a given that your assumptions are better than my assumptions.

There is considerable humor in that some of our members are repeating this old BS from Breitbart:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/11/01/eight-reasons-pro-obama-polls-are-wrong/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 27, 2016, 02:45:00 PM

This is Rasmussen's explanation for his failure in 2012:

Quote from: Scott Rasmussen

Our final daily presidential tracking poll showed Romney at 49% and Obama at 48%. Instead, the president got 50% of the vote and Romney 48%. We were disappointed that our final results were not as close to the final result as they had been in preceding elections. There was a similar pattern in the state polls. For example, in Ohio we projected a tie at 49% but the president reached 50% of the vote and the challenger got just 48%. Although every individual result in the battleground states was within the margin of error, the numbers we projected were consistently a bit more favorable for Romney than the actual results.

A preliminary review indicates that one reason for this is that we underestimated the minority share of the electorate. In 2008, 26% of voters were non-white. We expected that to remain relatively constant. However, in 2012, 28% of voters were non-white. That was exactly the share projected by the Obama campaign. It is not clear at the moment whether minority turnout increased nationally, white turnout decreased, or if it was a combination of both. The increase in minority turnout has a significant impact on the final projections since Romney won nearly 60% of white votes while Obama won an even larger share of the minority vote.

Another factor may be related to the generation gap. It is interesting to note that the share of seniors who showed up to vote was down slightly from 2008 while the number of young voters was up slightly. Pre-election data suggested that voters older than 65 were more enthusiastic about voting than they had been four years earlier so the decline bears further examination.

The interesting thing is that Scott began his explanation with a lie about the numbers and then filled in the rhetoric. (The actual results were 51.1 vs 47.2.) I expect some here to do the same.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on August 27, 2016, 10:43:02 PM

Quote from: TomT on August 27, 2016, 07:48:05 AM

Quote from: d672 on August 26, 2016, 11:02:38 PM
But what about the social media stats?

If Trump wins by anything less than a landslide, then Josh Bernstein and his social media stats are full of shit. We'll know the actual results soon enough.

My original contention was that a poll with mostly conservative, white male respondents over 50 has little chance of reflecting the actual outcome because this group represents Trump's core base. Would anyone care to rebut the obvious?

And my original post was pointing out that maybe what you said about changing the demographic of the group may not be true when you look at the social media stats. I'm sure most people will agree that the majority of people on social media are not 50+ white males, in fact I would venture to say that they would only be a small percentage. Yet the stats show that Trump is crushing Hillary when it comes to social media followers. When I see this I really do wonder how legitimate the polls are.

Better prepare yourself for a surprise in November Tom, things might not be what you think! :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 28, 2016, 04:04:23 AM

NIGEL FARAGE: Trump was MY warm-up man... but I gave him a bounce - and he'll be new Ronald Reagan
Farage appeared at a rally with Donald Trump in Jackson, Mississippi
The event on August 24 was seen by thousands of spectators
Farage: 'The atmosphere in the room was more like a rock concert'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3761715/NIGEL-FARAGE-Trump-warm-man-gave-bounce-ll-new-Ronald-Reagan.html#ixzz4IcUz9A65

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on August 28, 2016, 05:47:13 AM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 28, 2016, 07:22:35 AM

Quote from: TomT on August 26, 2016, 03:38:25 PM

If we elect a mentally ill president in the name of change, remember that you wished for it.

Seems to me we already did that in 2008 and 2012.

Can't vote until you include Gary Johnson as a choice.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 28, 2016, 09:27:22 AM

Trump even with numerous flaws, does represent possible change in international affairs, this alone should be reason to vote Trump.
This may be the one and only chance to reset American policy around the world.
Clinton represents the same course, possibly even more military aggression.
Should a republican candidate be elected in another 4 years, we again will see the same.
Some of the greatest people in the world have been labeled odd, socially challenged, but have made contributions to mankind, that have shaped the world for the better.

Wouldn't It Be Nice? - 'If America Could Get Along With Russia?'

http://russia-insider.com/en/american-and-russian-reconciliation-only-possible-if-trump-becomes-president/ri16122

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 28, 2016, 09:42:53 AM

Quote from: d672 on August 27, 2016, 10:43:02 PM

And my original post was pointing out that maybe what you said about changing the demographic of the group may not be true when you look at the social media stats. I'm sure most people will agree that the majority of people on social media are not 50+ white males, in fact I would venture to say that they would only be a small percentage. Yet the stats show that Trump is crushing Hillary when it comes to social media followers. When I see this I really do wonder how legitimate the polls are.

Better prepare yourself for a surprise in November Tom, things might not be what you think! :)

Facebook demographics are well known; what is not so well known is how well "followings" correlates with votes.

https://zephoria.com/top-15-valuable-facebook-statistics/

Not only do we know more about RUA demographics, but we also know more about the leanings and about the mental health of the members. Given what is known, the outcome of this RUA poll shouldn't surprise anyone. The argument that social media followings are a better indicator than tradition polling results requires us to believe that the pollsters are off by more than 50%. That would surprise me.

It was remarkable when lying Scott Rasmussen was off by 5%. Scott tried to bury us in BS but the actual explanation was simple: Rasmussen leans 4-6% to the Right by design. The very idea that the RCP average leans more than 50% to the Left is as delusional as thinking that the RUA poll will reflect the actual voting results. Granted, those who voted hope that it will but that reflects on their leanings and on their mental health, not on reality.

Having written all of that, I will take it in stride if the biggest asshole ever is elected president. You won't see me ranting about election fraud, moving to Costa Rica or inciting riots. The lowest-common-denominator voters are another matter; I don't expect their issues to resolve themselves after the votes are counted.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on August 28, 2016, 11:43:04 AM

Quote from: TomT on August 28, 2016, 09:42:53 AM

Having written all of that, I will take it in stride if the biggest asshole ever is elected president.
You won't see me ranting about election fraud, moving to Costa Rica or inciting riots.

Americans never dealt with fascism-like issues before on their ground.
This time might be a good chance for them to explore the taste of it.
With houses full of guns it is going to be a mess.
In this case I will move from the US.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 28, 2016, 12:21:53 PM

Quote from: Orchid on August 28, 2016, 11:43:04 AM

Quote from: TomT on August 28, 2016, 09:42:53 AM
Having written all of that, I will take it in stride if the biggest asshole ever is elected president.
You won't see me ranting about election fraud, moving to Costa Rica or inciting riots.

Americans never dealt with fascism-like issues before on their ground.
This time might be a good chance for them to explore the taste of it.
With houses full of guns it is going to be a mess.
In this case I will move from the US.

What "fascism-like" issues do you envisage?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on August 28, 2016, 12:48:46 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 28, 2016, 12:21:53 PM

Quote from: Orchid on August 28, 2016, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: TomT on August 28, 2016, 09:42:53 AM
Having written all of that, I will take it in stride if the biggest asshole ever is elected president.
You won't see me ranting about election fraud, moving to Costa Rica or inciting riots.

Americans never dealt with fascism-like issues before on their ground.
This time might be a good chance for them to explore the taste of it.
With houses full of guns it is going to be a mess.
In this case I will move from the US.

What "fascism-like" issues do you envisage?

Good example can be blaming Jews... sorry.... Mexicans for everything and idea of Grandiosity of America.
It's like to make Great-Britain-Great-Again. Something from Abnormal Psychology textbook.
I forgot to mention a communist's idea of building walls.
Very popular already!!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on August 28, 2016, 04:52:00 PM

Quote from: TomT on August 28, 2016, 09:42:53 AM

Not only do we know more about RUA demographics, but we also know more about the leanings and about the mental health of the members.
Given what is known, the outcome of this RUA poll shouldn't surprise anyone. The argument that social media followings are a better indicator than tradition polling results requires us to believe that the pollsters are off by more than 50%. That would surprise me.

It was remarkable when lying Scott Rasmussen was off by 5%. Scott tried to bury us in BS but the actual explanation was simple: Rasmussen leans 4-6% to the Right by design. The very idea that the RCP average leans more than 50% to the Left is as delusional as thinking that the RUA poll will reflect the actual voting results. Granted, those who voted hope that it will but that reflects on their leanings and on their mental health, not on reality.

Having written all of that, I will take it in stride if the biggest asshole ever is elected president. You won't see me ranting about election fraud, moving to Costa Rica or inciting riots. The lowest-common-denominator voters are another matter; I don't expect their issues to resolve themselves after the votes are counted.

Do tell us.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 29, 2016, 08:04:33 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on August 28, 2016, 04:52:00 PM

Do tell us.

It's in the posting history, if anyone cares to read it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on August 29, 2016, 10:36:21 AM

Quote from: Orchid on August 28, 2016, 12:48:46 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 28, 2016, 12:21:53 PM
Quote from: Orchid on August 28, 2016, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: TomT on August 28, 2016, 09:42:53 AM
Having written all of that, I will take it in stride if the biggest asshole ever is elected president.
You won't see me ranting about election fraud, moving to Costa Rica or inciting riots.

Americans never dealt with fascism-like issues before on their ground.
This time might be a good chance for them to explore the taste of it.
With houses full of guns it is going to be a mess.
In this case I will move from the US.

What "fascism-like" issues do you envisage?

Good example can be blaming Jews... sorry.... Mexicans for everything and idea of Grandiosity of America.
It's like to make Great-Britain-Great-Again. Something from Abnormal Psychology textbook.
I forgot to mention a communist's idea of building walls.
Very popular already!!!

So is there fascism in Norway, where they want to build a wall? How about Hungary, where they built a wall and the number of refugees that came in, dropped by more than 90% ?

I think you are lucky, because you do not live in an area of USA ruined by the importation of undesirable people. Yet.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on August 29, 2016, 11:43:22 AM

Quote from: Slumba on August 29, 2016, 10:36:21 AM

Quote from: Orchid on August 28, 2016, 12:48:46 PM
Quote from: Manny on August 28, 2016, 12:21:53 PM
Quote from: Orchid on August 28, 2016, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: TomT on August 28, 2016, 09:42:53 AM
Having written all of that, I will take it in stride if the biggest asshole ever is elected president.
You won't see me ranting about election fraud, moving to Costa Rica or inciting riots.

Americans never dealt with fascism-like issues before on their ground.
This time might be a good chance for them to explore the taste of it.
With houses full of guns it is going to be a mess.
In this case I will move from the US.

What "fascism-like" issues do you envisage?

Good example can be blaming Jews... sorry.... Mexicans for everything and idea of Grandiosity of America.
It's like to make Great-Britain-Great-Again. Something from Abnormal Psychology textbook.
I forgot to mention a communist's idea of building walls.
Very popular already!!!

So is there fascism in Norway, where they want to build a wall? How about Hungary, where they built a wall and the number of refugees that came in, dropped by more than 90% ?

I think you are lucky, because you do not live in an area of USA ruined by the importation of undesirable people. Yet.

We can see signs of fascism everywhere and every day. There are many of them
True fascism happens when they all come together and crowd is triggered by grandiose ideas like "Let's Make America Great Again".
Or "Let's All Become Rich Like Me" which is a pure manipulation with American Dream.
I like a message that TomT have sent to all of us.
We must decide we are part of it or not before it happens. By voting.
I brought to attention fascism because majority of people in Germany voted for it.
The consequences of that voting was catastrophic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on August 29, 2016, 02:44:26 PM

Quote from: Orchid on August 29, 2016, 11:43:22 AM

Quote from: Slumba on August 29, 2016, 10:36:21 AM
Quote from: Orchid on August 28, 2016, 12:48:46 PM
Quote from: Manny on August 28, 2016, 12:21:53 PM
Quote from: Orchid on August 28, 2016, 11:43:04 AM
Quote from: TomT on August 28, 2016, 09:42:53 AM
Having written all of that, I will take it in stride if the biggest asshole ever is elected president.
You won't see me ranting about election fraud, moving to Costa Rica or inciting riots.

Americans never dealt with fascism-like issues before on their ground.
This time might be a good chance for them to explore the taste of it.
With houses full of guns it is going to be a mess.
In this case I will move from the US.

What "fascism-like" issues do you envisage?

Good example can be blaming Jews... sorry.... Mexicans for everything and idea of Grandiosity of America.
It's like to make Great-Britain-Great-Again. Something from Abnormal Psychology textbook.
I forgot to mention a communist's idea of building walls.
Very popular already!!!

So is there fascism in Norway, where they want to build a wall? How about Hungary, where they built a wall and the number of refugees that came in, dropped by more than 90% ?

I think you are lucky, because you do not live in an area of USA ruined by the importation of undesirable people. Yet.

We can see signs of fascism everywhere and every day. There are many of them
True fascism happens when they all come together and crowd is triggered by grandiose ideas like "Let's Make America Great Again".
Or "Let's All Become Rich Like Me" which is a pure manipulation with American Dream.
I like a message that TomT have sent to all of us.
We must decide we are part of it or not before it happens. By voting.
I brought to attention fascism because majority of people in Germany voted for it.
The consequences of that voting was catastrophic.

The notion that Trump is a fascist is a democrats wet dream.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on August 29, 2016, 04:11:17 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on August 29, 2016, 02:44:26 PM

The notion that Trump is a fascist is a democrats wet dream.

I did not say that Trump was a fascist.
It was a comparison of present and past situations.
Trump does not have Hitler's charisma and personality.
He is not that influential as Hitler was. Too much concerns about his own money.
Plus, nobody will let him to commit mass murders in the US.
But he can create a chaos in the country with millions of victims.
Wet dream? Yeah.... Something like this...
In critical situation he will close doors and windows of White House,
and will be capable only to pee in his pants.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on August 29, 2016, 06:34:05 PM

Quote from: Orchid on August 29, 2016, 04:11:17 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on August 29, 2016, 02:44:26 PM
The notion that Trump is a fascist is a democrats wet dream.

I did not say that Trump was a fascist.
It was a comparison of present and past situations.
Trump does not have Hitler's charisma and personality.
He is not that influential as Hitler was. Too much concerns about his own money.
Plus, nobody will let him to commit mass murders in the US.
But he can create a chaos in the country with millions of victims.
Wet dream? Yeah.... Something like this...
In critical situation he will close doors and windows of White House,
and will be capable only to pee in his pants.

Please explain how you think Hillary, sick and without much energy, would be better?

One advantage with Trump: the press will hate him, so, they will always look over everything he does.

With Hillary, the press have already shown they will lie whenever they want to, in order to help her.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 29, 2016, 07:23:56 PM

The Washington post is trying to do some damage control spreading lies in hopes when more Hillary emails are exposed people will think Russia has doctored them to incriminate Hillary.

A Putin-sponsored October surprise? - The Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-putin-sponsored-october-surprise/2016/08/29/d7f21d16-6e33-11e6-9705-23e51a2f424d_story.html?utm_term=.9e6b12bef543

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 30, 2016, 03:53:55 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on August 29, 2016, 02:44:26 PM

The notion that Trump is a fascist is a democrats wet dream.

With over three hundred million US citizens we get to choose between the most damaged and deranged possible.

It is odd as I recall the overwhelming vote on RUA was for Paul, and yet he faded early on. Too a large degree I agree with Orchid while the EU has a very uncertain future it can not be any worse than that which America has shortly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on August 30, 2016, 05:47:29 AM

Quote from: Orchid on August 29, 2016, 04:11:17 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on August 29, 2016, 02:44:26 PM
The notion that Trump is a fascist is a democrats wet dream.

I did not say that Trump was a fascist.
It was a comparison of present and past situations.
Trump does not have Hitler's charisma and personality.
He is not that influential as Hitler was. Too much concerns about his own money.
Plus, nobody will let him to commit mass murders in the US.
But he can create a chaos in the country with millions of victims.
Wet dream? Yeah.... Something like this...
In critical situation he will close doors and windows of White House,
and will be capable only to pee in his pants.

Quite clear who/what you were alluding to. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 30, 2016, 10:00:55 AM

I think that we can safely note that Orchid has little idea of what she is going on about.

There's at least two reasons for this, the first and most contemporaneous is that the government of the United States has no trace of fascist in its form or activity, notwithstanding the evident power of corporations in the country.

The second is that the US does have experience of 'fascist like' government. I'll leave that to the historians among you to elucidate that point, however, for Orchid, the period was before her transformation into a fresh minted USAian.

I confess that my reading of her words was that she, at the moment she wrote, had the idea, erroneously, that Trump could be seen as being fascist. My guess is that the word doesn't mean what she thought it meant and is thus back filling following a little enlightenment.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 30, 2016, 06:43:07 PM

Orchid,

When you post here, you are in the company of (mostly) old white men who won't take you seriously unless you are a twenty-something photomodel. Of course, some are more honest about it than others and some are more afflicted than others. It's pretty easy to tell who is whom; their responses give them away. Be happy if none of them move into your neighborhood.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on August 31, 2016, 02:34:58 AM

Quote from: TomT on August 30, 2016, 06:43:07 PM

Orchid,

When you post here, you are in the company of (mostly) old white men who won't take you seriously unless you are a twenty-something photomodel. Of course, some are more honest about it than others and some are more afflicted than others. It's pretty easy to tell who is whom; their responses give them away. Be happy if none of them move into your neighborhood.

Are you referring to yourself? Otherwise your assumptions are wrong.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on August 31, 2016, 02:48:46 AM

Quote from: TomT on August 30, 2016, 06:43:07 PM

Orchid,

When you post here, you are in the company of (mostly) old white men who won't take you seriously unless you are a twenty-something photomodel. Of course, some are more honest about it than others and some are more afflicted than others. It's pretty easy to tell who is whom; their responses give them away. Be happy if none of them move into your neighborhood.

Thank god, I am safe.

I wouldn't consider myself old just yet!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 31, 2016, 02:56:36 AM

Tom, I can't speak for others but, assuming that I am part of that group you refer to as 'old white men', I have to say that I take Orchid very seriously. She represents that group of people who form that large mass of US voters. People who have been poorly educated, fed lies, taught how to not think and who need to apply labels due to a lack of cognitive ability. This is a very serious issue.

I have no idea what she looks like, but I am certain that she is comely enough that she was imported by the man who enabled her residence by way of marriage; to me, that is irrelevant.

I would have expected that you'd be concerned enough about the future of your country that you'd not support or enable the dissemination of inaccurate, unknowing, comment as fact, no matter its provenance.

I have no principled issue with people choosing to support, or not support any particular party or candidate. That's a matter for one's own conscience and analysis. The problem comes when people, to the best of their sometimes quite limited ability, carry out such analysis and decision making on the basis of very poor quality information inputs.

Personally, I find it horrifying that the best that the USAian electorate is presented with is a choice between two old people; one of whom seems on the basis of visible evidence, to be suffering from physical deficiencies significantly in excess of those normal for her age and who seems to be very unwilling, possibly incapable, to meet with the electorate via their representatives from the Fourth Estate. I ignore the 'impossible' candidates here;both with significant character and skills deficits. That one of the candidates can be reasonably presented as a criminal traitor to the USA is, to this observer, nightmarish.

How is it that you people can support a system designed to weed out the competent, honest and personable from the system of government of your country?
Ah, but yes, back to the lack of knowledge, lack of thought and acceptance of low standards from one's peers - that'll do it every time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 31, 2016, 03:07:35 AM

I understood that we do not go about insulting other members, and in particular the few females members that are present.

That noted Andrew, you make a hell of allot assumptions regarding members and possible Presidents.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 31, 2016, 03:48:14 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 31, 2016, 03:07:35 AM

I understood that we do not go about insulting other members, and in particular the few females members that are present.

That noted Andrew, you make a hell of allot assumptions regarding members and possible Presidents.

Of course one makes assumptions. You are aware, are you not, that an assumption is the basis of analysis? The quality of the analysis is usually determined by the quality of the initial assumptions.

So, if you are up to thinking (yeah right!) why not identify some of my assumptions and challenge them on an objective basis in order that I might possibly improve the quality of my analysis.

Oh, by the way, are you imagining second-hand slights on behalf of others again?
I do not know about you AvHdB, but I am a firm believer in the concept of equality of sexes and would not dream for a second of being so patronising as to think, or suggest, that we should treat people differently on the basis of their gender. In the civilised world such ideas are considered closed minded and antiquated.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 31, 2016, 07:41:41 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 31, 2016, 03:48:14 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 31, 2016, 03:07:35 AM
I understood that we do not go about insulting other members, and in particular the few females members that are present.

That noted Andrew, you make a hell of allot assumptions regarding members and possible Presidents.

Of course one makes assumptions. You are aware, are you not, that an assumption is the basis of analysis? The quality of the analysis is usually determined by the quality of the initial assumptions.

So, if you are up to thinking (yeah right!) why not identify some of my assumptions and challenge them on an objective basis in order that I might possibly improve the quality of my analysis.

Oh, by the way, are you imagining second-hand slights on behalf of others again?
I do not know about you AvHdB, but I am a firm believer in the concept of equality of sexes and would not dream for a second of being so patronising as to think, or suggest, that we should treat people differently on the basis of their gender. In the civilised world such ideas are considered closed minded and antiquated.

You are so lame, like an intellectual cripple that can only stand on your pathetic dogma.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on August 31, 2016, 09:23:44 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 30, 2016, 10:00:55 AM

I think that we can safely note that Orchid has little idea of what she is going on about.

There's at least two reasons for this, the first and most contemporaneous is that the government of the United States has no trace of fascist in its form or activity, notwithstanding the evident power of corporations in the country.

The second is that the US does have experience of 'fascist like' government. I'll leave that to the historians among you to elucidate that point, however, for Orchid, the period was before her transformation into a fresh minted USAian.

I confess that my reading of her words was that she, at the moment she wrote, had the idea, erroneously, that Trump could be seen as being fascist. My guess is that the word doesn't mean what she thought it meant and is thus back filling following a little enlightenment.

Free flow of inflamed consciousness......

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on August 31, 2016, 09:26:36 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 31, 2016, 03:48:14 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 31, 2016, 03:07:35 AM
I understood that we do not go about insulting other members, and in particular the few females members that are present.

That noted Andrew, you make a hell of allot assumptions regarding members and possible Presidents.

Of course one makes assumptions. You are aware, are you not, that an assumption is the basis of analysis? The quality of the analysis is usually determined by the quality of the initial assumptions.

So, if you are up to thinking (yeah right!) why not identify some of my assumptions and challenge them on an objective basis in order that I might possibly improve the quality of my analysis.

Oh, by the way, are you imagining second-hand slights on behalf of others again?
I do not know about you AvHdB, but I am a firm believer in the concept of equality of sexes and would not dream for a second of being so patronising as to think, or suggest, that we should treat people differently on the basis of their gender. In the civilised world such ideas are considered closed minded and antiquated.

You might want to be equal to me.
But I definitely do not want to be equal to you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on August 31, 2016, 09:30:59 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 31, 2016, 07:41:41 AM

You are so lame, like an intellectual cripple that can only stand on your pathetic dogma.

Plus, he is extremely manipulative.
Depending on situation he plays British notes about special attitude to opposite sex,
or American ones about equality.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 31, 2016, 09:35:01 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 31, 2016, 02:56:36 AM

I would have expected that you'd be concerned enough about the future of your country that you'd not support or enable the dissemination of inaccurate, unknowing, comment as fact, no matter its provenance.

I must have made a good point or you would not have wasted so many words poisoning the well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on August 31, 2016, 09:35:39 AM

Quote from: TomT on August 30, 2016, 06:43:07 PM

Orchid,

When you post here, you are in the company of (mostly) old white men who won't take you seriously unless you are a twenty-something photomodel. Of course, some are more honest about it than others and some are more afflicted than others. It's pretty easy to tell who is whom; their responses give them away. Be happy if none of them move into your neighborhood.

I do not expect anyone here to take me seriously.
My major problem is that there is not much fun as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on August 31, 2016, 09:48:15 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on August 30, 2016, 05:47:29 AM

Quote from: Orchid on August 29, 2016, 04:11:17 PM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on August 29, 2016, 02:44:26 PM
The notion that Trump is a fascist is a democrats wet dream.

I did not say that Trump was a fascist.
It was a comparison of present and past situations.
Trump does not have Hitler's charisma and personality.
He is not that influential as Hitler was. Too much concerns about his own money.
Plus, nobody will let him to commit mass murders in the US.
But he can create a chaos in the country with millions of victims.
Wet dream? Yeah.... Something like this...
In critical situation he will close doors and windows of White House,
and will be capable only to pee in his pants.
Quite clear who/what you were alluding to. tiphat

This world is not just white and black.
There are so many shades of grey!!!
You can make your vision more colorful, if you want....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on August 31, 2016, 09:51:56 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 30, 2016, 03:53:55 AM

With over three hundred million US citizens we get to choose between the most damaged and deranged possible.

Trump and Hilary remind me two characters from Russian movie about Pinocchio.
With one exception: the real persons are older.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on August 31, 2016, 09:54:10 AM

Quote from: Slumba on August 29, 2016, 06:34:05 PM

Please explain how you think Hillary.....

Ask Hillary.
I am not her spokeswoman.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on August 31, 2016, 10:27:40 AM

Quote from: Orchid on August 31, 2016, 09:54:10 AM

Quote from: Slumba on August 29, 2016, 06:34:05 PM

Please explain how you think Hillary.....

Ask Hillary.
I am not her spokeswoman.

This thread has a poll with only 2 choices :) .

Fascism is not coming to USA; but Balkanization and destruction of trust in society is.

What comes after that, if not reversed, will be some form of tyranny.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 31, 2016, 07:09:06 PM

Must have been a bunch of middle aged white males used in this poll.

Fox national poll: Clinton and Trump in virtual tie in 4-way race

By Louis NelsonRead more:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/fox-news-poll-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-tie-227611

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on August 31, 2016, 07:52:53 PM

Pitiful!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on August 31, 2016, 08:12:02 PM

Quote from: TomT on August 31, 2016, 07:52:53 PM

Pitiful!

Do you play with yourself while looking at these nearly-meaningless charts? Are we seeing your posts made in a warm afterglow?

Seriously I think we all know about this website already.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on September 01, 2016, 06:45:13 AM

Quote from: Slumba on August 31, 2016, 08:12:02 PM

Do you play with yourself while looking at these nearly-meaningless [sic] charts? Are we seeing your posts made in a warm afterglow?

I'm providing the nearly meaningless charts for the DABs who are too stupid to know that they shouldn't be getting themselves overexcited about Right-leaning polls. I might be giving them too much credit by assuming that they know what a "Right-leaning" poll is, though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on September 01, 2016, 09:47:07 AM

I wonder if this has any credence...

http://yournewswire.com/leaked-clinton-email-assad-must-go-to-protect-israel/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 01, 2016, 06:32:17 PM

I hope when Trump is elected president, Guccifer will get a presidential pardon.

Hacker 'Guccifer' who revealed Clinton's private email server gets 4+ years in jail

https://www.rt.com/usa/357918-guccifer-jail-clinton-email/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on September 01, 2016, 07:32:05 PM

Trump up a full 5 points in latest Rasmussen nationwide poll 1 point ahead of Hillary due to pivot to the base and appeal to Angel Moms and Dads:

Epic historic speech - peaking late like Reagan against Jimmy Cahter and GW against Climate Gore.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 01, 2016, 11:32:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 24, 2016, 11:28:06 AM

NOW Trump is saying

(1) he NEVER really intended to "build a wall" and

(2) he never really intended to deport 11 million illegal aliens that are currently in our country

No shit.

You Trumpsters are really stupid for believing him.

Where did you get this idea? Just left wing propaganda. Why don't you look at his latest speech? Maybe then you will quite believing all this stuff.

Wake up and vote Trump!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 02, 2016, 02:47:51 AM

What I find very sad, but at the same time risible, is this: What Trump has been proposing is no more than the enforcement of existing legislation and the finishing of a project started years ago by the US government along its Mexican border.

How can any 'educated' (?) USAian not be aware of these basic points of information?
Yeah, poor education and endless propaganda will do that to you - no surprise then! :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 02, 2016, 08:36:33 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 02, 2016, 02:47:51 AM

What I find very sad, but at the same time risible, is this: What Trump has been proposing is no more than the enforcement of existing legislation and the finishing of a project started years ago by the US government along its Mexican border.

Absolutely true. However the funds were never appropriated by Congress to complete the project.

Passing legislation is one thing. Appropriating the money for funding it is a completely different kettle of fish.

The whole wording of underlying legislation can be changed during the appropriation process.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 02, 2016, 09:10:38 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 02, 2016, 02:47:51 AM

What I find very sad, but at the same time risible, is this: What Trump has been proposing is no more than the enforcement of existing legislation and the finishing of a project started years ago by the US government along its Mexican border.

How can any 'educated' (?) USAian not be aware of these basic points of information?
Yeah, poor education and endless propaganda will do that to you - no surprise then! :'(

I am in the housing rental business. If 11 million plus people go home from this southern US area there will be a housing surplus causing my income to drop. Not just my business but many business will suffer. Just think how much these 11 plus million people spend at Wal Mart. Since many of these people have jobs that pay less than minimum wage those business will have to pay far more for labor. There is huge money in trying to keep the illegals here. Then there are Mexicans here legally who feel sorry for these people. Then there is the globalist who are seeing their cause being set back. Hillary has convinced most of the black community that she will do more for them with give away programs than what Trump will do. Then she has convince black the community this is a form of racism which is a easy sell in their community.

This will take 1.6 trillion dollars out of the USA economy and even if nothing else goes wrong, will likely cause a mild recession. When these numbers were coming out the liberal press got thinking the Trump would back away from the program but as you see he did not.

What is not understood my many of our working poor this will be the biggest transfer of wealth to them that has ever happened. There will be a shortage of lower skilled workers. This in part why many republicans which is in part the party of pro business do not want to support Trump.

The other big reason some republicans do not support Trump is his planned changes in foreign policy. They often cover up there real reason by claiming they do not like his racist statements and comments they claim are anti women.

I hope this in part is an answer to your question.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 02, 2016, 09:18:49 AM

The point being that many, including those with wet ankles have been mocking Trump for months, on this matter and others, when all that he has been saying is 'let us enforce existing legislation and finish projects already started'. Those critical of him are either unaware of this or being knowingly dishonest.

As to the knowledge/honesty mix, my guess is that among critical thought leaders the dishonesty is universal. Among the Marching Morons the lack of knowledge is universal. This makes it possible for the dishonest thought leaders to program the unthinking unknowers. The result is an abrogation of the democratic process because one can not cast a sensible vote without knowing what one is voting for.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on September 02, 2016, 09:39:53 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on September 01, 2016, 07:32:05 PM

Trump up a full 5 points in latest Rasmussen nationwide poll 1 point ahead of Hillary due to pivot to the base and appeal to Angel Moms and Dads...

You never tire of cherry-picking. FYI, Rasmussen leans four to six points to the Right.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 02, 2016, 10:07:39 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 02, 2016, 09:18:49 AM

The point being that many, including those with wet ankles have been mocking Trump for months, on this matter and others, when all that he has been saying is 'let us enforce existing legislation and finish projects already started'. Those critical of him are either unaware of this or being knowingly dishonest.

As to the knowledge/honesty mix, my guess is that among critical thought leaders the dishonesty is universal. Among the Marching Morons the lack of knowledge is universal. This makes it possible for the dishonest thought leaders to program the unthinking unknowers. The result is an abrogation of the democratic process because one can not cast a sensible vote without knowing what one is voting for.

Most European countries have the same problem to just a slighter degree. The only reason it is to a lesser degree it is a smaller country. I doubt that Britain is any better at this point in time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 02, 2016, 11:22:23 AM

I suspect that the problem establishment has with Trump is the fact that he will not buy into the ongoing war machine that the United States has become.

Hitlary has only indicated that she will expand this 'infrastructure' I fear the average American tax payer and those in what are referred to as 'war/combat zones' will suffer and pay.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 02, 2016, 06:07:55 PM

This is one of the pay to get investment advice ads. By posting it here I am not recommending the investment advice and have no plans to buy this service myself. The reason for posting this is there is a new technology on the way which this video highlights. This with robots and robotic machine may soon transform our planet most like not as fast as this video says but very soon. This is part of the immigration problem. What will we do with all the low skill people in the not so distance future when all there jobs have been replace? What happen with when most of the Restaurants have few if any employees? What happens when the factories have nearly no employees? Why would they have to be where the labor is cheap? What happens when the buses drive themselves and are much safer and cheaper to operate than a person driving them? What happens when the taxi are driverless cars? Then think when all of this happens at once. This is I believe will be the type of technology transformation we might see over the next ten years or so. It will be something most of us can not imagine the social and economic change that will come with it.

http://pro.sovereignsociety.com/PRL1/PPRLS601/?h=true

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on September 02, 2016, 06:18:10 PM

A little off topic?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 03, 2016, 12:45:23 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on September 02, 2016, 10:07:39 AM

Most European countries have the same problem to just a slighter degree. The only reason it is to a lesser degree it is a smaller country. I doubt that Britain is any better at this point in time.

Whilst I'd agree with you that this is a matter of degree my observations, including what we see on this very forum, support the contention that USAians are uniquely poor in terms of education and the susceptibility to programming.

As a simple, practical example: I can not imagine a candidate for election to head of state (Prime Minister etc) elsewhere in the civilised world being able to get away with the dishonesty, criminal activity and treason that is happening right now in the USA. Even the suggestion of such a lack of probity would be sufficient to bar one from high office.

In addition, I can not imagine the even the news/entertainment media, as distinct from news media, supporting such a candidate and exhorting their consumers to vote for such a person.

In noting this, I exclude Ukraine from that group of nations that might be referred to as civilised; sadly, that boat is now sailed.

Texan, whilst your post is surely off topic, the simple answer for people is that we should start to engage our creativity, our cognition - our ability to think, create and implement. Yes, these are problems for many Americans but there are huge opportunities for those not trapped by the limitations of their minds and programing. The reality is that very few people in modern societies are actually creators of value, most are consumers of value. All that is likely to happen is that the difference will become more clear and we will need to find new ways to subsidise the costs of supporting the non-productive masses. This is a similar problem to that faced by the Soviet Union in its last decade or so of existence.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on September 03, 2016, 10:02:12 AM

AndrewFi, is Peter Mandelson due for a jail cell any time soon?

Berlusconi?

Rajoy in Spain?

Didn't Mitterrand have piles of illicit cash coming from all over France for 20+ years?

Kohl had some recent admissions, though I don't have the specific information handy...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 04, 2016, 12:18:08 AM

Andrew you should understand the logic of a Hillary supporter. No matter how many documentaries, book, or other news stories about the level of corruption Putin does you continue to support him completely. The level or what he does makes Hillary like a school girl. Where she does hundreds of millions he does hundred of billions. She is believe to be wraps up in a single murder, Putin has been implicated in many. Even on one of Hillary's schemes, Putin buy 20 per cent of US uranium reserve, Hillary signs off on it and her charity received large donation from an individual in Russia. You guys are just like a Hillary supporter will say none of it proven.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on September 04, 2016, 07:51:03 AM

^ Well, that certainly clarifies things.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 05, 2016, 07:09:52 PM

Internal DNC Memo Confirms Polls Are Rigged

http://yournewswire.com/internal-dnc-memo-confirms-polls-are-rigged/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 06, 2016, 02:40:45 PM

One thing that there is no shortage of is Rednecks in the United states. That being said Trump is on his way to victory in November.
Recent polls showing Trump edging out Clinton, showing the tide has turned.
Those unbelievers better get used to addressing Donald Trump as president Trump!

A Resurgence Of 'Redneck' Pride, Marked By Race, Class And Trump

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/06/492183406/a-resurgence-of-redneck-pride-marked-by-race-class-and-trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on September 06, 2016, 03:52:01 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 06, 2016, 02:40:45 PM

One thing that there is no shortage of is Rednecks in the United states. That being said Trump is on his way to victory in November.
Recent polls showing Trump edging out Clinton, showing the tide has turned.
Those unbelievers better get used to addressing Donald Trump as president Trump!

A Resurgence Of 'Redneck' Pride, Marked By Race, Class And Trump

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/06/492183406/a-resurgence-of-redneck-pride-marked-by-race-class-and-trump

The only comforting thing for me is the links to articles posted don't necessarily reflect your personal opinion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 06, 2016, 05:26:22 PM

As Hillary's ad's portray Trump as a loose canon, this endorsement will counter her ads nicely.

Trump welcomes endorsement from 88 military leaders

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37289593

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 07, 2016, 02:48:14 AM

Texan77, when you address me than you write in error. I understand this, you are not the sharpest tool in the box, but I do give you credit for trying.

Whilst you are correct to note that those who have made a choice rarely change it, I am not in that boat. I'd hate to be thought of as a Putin follower, if for no other reason than I do not think in the simple minded, label applying terms, that many people, including yourself, do. You'll notice that by my continual references to Team Putin, the Russian State or Russian Government rather than the labelling that is usually applied by those whose knowledge is exceeded by their willingness to expound upon a topic.

It is safe, on an objective level, to note that president Putin as elected leader of the Russian Federation is almost certainly the pre-eminent statesman of our time and heads up a hugely talented and effective team on geopolitical and military matters. The difficulty is that the clear water between, for example, the US and RF in this regard makes it seem, at times, as though the RF and its leadership team can do no wrong. The RF and its leadership look excellent in comparison - objectively however, in isolation, the RF has a long way to go in many areas - this is obvious to any sensible and reasonably objective observer.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 10, 2016, 04:24:20 PM

I don't put much faith in polls, but as of late Trump has closed the gap.
Trump might offend many people, but it seems more often than not within days the controversy passes.
If Trump can limit his controversial remarks during October the election will be his.

Trump closes in on Clinton's projected electoral lead: Reuters/Ipsos Poll

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-closes-clintons-projected-electoral-lead-reuters-ipsos-135210513.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 10, 2016, 04:39:39 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 10, 2016, 04:24:20 PM

I don't put much faith in polls, but as of late Trump has closed the gap.
Trump might offend many people, but it seems more often than not within days the controversy passes.
If Trump can limit his controversial remarks during October the election will be his.

Trump closes in on Clinton's projected electoral lead: Reuters/Ipsos Poll

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-closes-clintons-projected-electoral-lead-reuters-ipsos-135210513.html

How will polls get adjusted now, I wonder?

At what point will pollsters, or their clients, give that game up?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 10, 2016, 05:51:18 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 10, 2016, 04:39:39 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 10, 2016, 04:24:20 PM
I don't put much faith in polls, but as of late Trump has closed the gap.
Trump might offend many people, but it seems more often than not within days the controversy passes.
If Trump can limit his controversial remarks during October the election will be his.

Trump closes in on Clinton's projected electoral lead: Reuters/Ipsos Poll

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-closes-clintons-projected-electoral-lead-reuters-ipsos-135210513.html

How will polls get adjusted now, I wonder?

At what point will pollsters, or their clients, give that game up?

There is rather serious money available if you are a pollster. That being said with the comments of Hillary regarding half of Donald Trump's supporters being a number of derogrative descriptions including red neck. I sort of doubt she will see an improvement in ANY poll on Monday.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on September 10, 2016, 08:29:07 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 10, 2016, 04:24:20 PM

I don't put much faith in polls, but as of late Trump has closed the gap.
Trump might offend many people, but it seems more often than not within days the controversy passes.
If Trump can limit his controversial remarks during October the election will be his.

Trump closes in on Clinton's projected electoral lead: Reuters/Ipsos Poll

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-closes-clintons-projected-electoral-lead-reuters-ipsos-135210513.html

There are several poll aggregators that I know of. They use different polls which depend on the criteria, 2 or 4 way polls etc. They end up with different averages and Pure Poll is at 4.0 for Clinton while Real Clear is at 2.7. It is not worth the time to follow them really. The news uses Real Clear mostly.

You hear the news saying this is a neck and neck race for a few weeks now yet a 6.0 or 4.0 is not neck and neck and her average has been going down ever so slowly.

In July RCP had Clinton at a 6.0 average and held onto one high poll for over 3 weeks when its loss would have dropped her average by a point. Last week RCP dropped 2 polls from the end of August that knocked her average way down but have kept two others from the same time period as those that were dropped when the loss of those two would lower Clintons lead by about another point below the current 2.7.

There is no rhyme or reason to when they drop an old poll but I see it as a correction when they cannot reputably keep her average higher any longer. Of course some polls like Maris are known to be outrageously high for Clinton but on average you are seeing 1s and 2s now and this is probably where the average should be. At least if it were not for the 2 higher polls RCP decided to keep from the same time frame as those they did drop last week.

If I were to accuse the polls of being rigged, and some do appear to be, I would start with the aggregators and demand to know how they figure when to drop old polls.

This last week they dropped Monmouth taken 8/25-8/28 and Suffolk taken 8/24-8/29 yet they continue to hold PPP taken 8/26-8/28 and Fox taken 8/28-8/30. Without these two Clinton would be at around a 1.5 average instead of the 2.7.

It is my opinion that the debates could toss this all up in the air either way but if I was relying on the poll averages I would cut off a full Clinton point at the least and Trump may very well end this in a landslide even if the poll averages say he is behind. Of course what really matters are the state polls but FWIW.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 11, 2016, 06:04:47 AM

In the UK during the Scottish independence referendum and then the Brexit referendum we saw overt use of polls to promote a media (ptb) agenda. That usage has now moved over to the colonies.

What this means is that mere mortals can no longer trust any poll unless they have access to the data and tabulations. Of course this also means knowing what to do with that data and how to analyse it for oneself. At least one can do this on a home or office pc. Back in my day one needed to use an external agency.

So, polls are no longer of value to the public; except to note that Team Trump sees strategic benefits from the public results. I have mentioned this aspect elsewhere on the forum before.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on September 11, 2016, 07:28:16 PM

Quote from: bagalia on September 10, 2016, 08:29:07 PM

This last week they dropped Monmouth taken 8/25-8/28 and Suffolk taken 8/24-8/29 yet they continue to hold PPP taken 8/26-8/28 and Fox taken 8/28-8/30. Without these two Clinton would be at around a 1.5 average instead of the 2.7.

With Monmouth, Suffolk, PPP and Fox all in the 5-7 range anyway, the order in which they aged out of the RCP average mattered little. In any case, everything has been straightened out in the image below. Of course, Trump's supporters know that ABC leans at least ten points to the left, right?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on September 11, 2016, 07:36:35 PM

Here's an idea: RCP shouldn't wait until ABC, NBC and Fox age out; they should be dropped immediately. Then Clinton would only be up by one. If we deduct five points for house effect, Trump would be up by four. Would you like that number better?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on September 12, 2016, 01:54:03 AM

After yesterday, we should be seriously concerned for Clinton's health as a president. Wasn't there once a whole debate on a maximum-age for a president after one of em got severe mental problems in old age?

Clinton apparently can't even hold a conference on an important day for America. The international(Dutch) press only commented about her health. Thats not good.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 12, 2016, 08:24:08 PM

No need to wait till November, a victory for Trump is a virtual certainty.

Why a Trump victory in November is a virtual certainty

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/campaign/295532-why-a-trump-victory-in-november-is-a-virtually-certainty

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on September 12, 2016, 09:35:28 PM

^ It's not a virtual certainty until Fox News and Breitbart say that it is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Cobaka on September 14, 2016, 11:28:46 AM

Quote from: Markje on September 12, 2016, 01:54:03 AM

After yesterday, we should be seriously concerned for Clinton's health as a president. Wasn't there once a whole debate on a maximum-age for a president after one of em got severe mental problems in old age?

Clinton apparently can't even hold a conference on an important day for America. The international(Dutch) press only commented about her health. Thats not good.

The demographics for the usa have been changing for decades and more every year and like it or not, minorities vote democrat is overwhelming numbers. Based on that and Trump being such a turnoff, even to republican voters; I'd say even if Hillary collapses in one of the debates; she still wins; whether she lives to January is the bigger question and what happens if she doesn't is the biggest question IMO.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 14, 2016, 01:16:44 PM

The media never seems to run out of topics to invent even if the likelihood of these events taking place are slim to none.

PUTIN APPOINTED TV HOST: “THEY MAY KILL” DONALD TRUMP

http://www.infowars.com/putin-appointed-tv-host-they-may-kill-donald-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 14, 2016, 01:49:48 PM

I told you so.

Listened to Trump's speech last night.

Those positions he advocated are not Conservative positions. He's not a Conservative.

I don't know what he is other than unqualified to be President.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 14, 2016, 11:16:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 14, 2016, 01:49:48 PM

I told you so.

Listened to Trump's speech last night.

Those positions he advocated are not Conservative positions. He's not a Conservative.

I don't know what he is other than unqualified to be President.

Yea, But he is not another globalist. It has been very long time since we have had a president that is not a globalist. The fact the race has become closer is an a miracle. The fact Trump ever got the party nomination is also a miracle. Maybe the people of the USA would rather have a Trump and all of his faults than another globalist. Also note, he is way more conservative than Hilary or Obama.

His winning is not anywhere near a done deal. But if he does win all the corrupt people in Washington will start screaming just about everything you can think of to make him look bad. Likely the only remaining anti bank/globalist leader in the world will be Putin. So that is likely why all of this closer relationship with Russia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on September 15, 2016, 12:15:11 AM

Quote from: Cobaka on September 14, 2016, 11:28:46 AM

Quote from: Markje on September 12, 2016, 01:54:03 AM
After yesterday, we should be seriously concerned for Clinton's health as a president. Wasn't there once a whole debate on a maximum-age for a president after one of em got severe mental problems in old age?

Clinton apparently can't even hold a conference on an important day for America. The international(Dutch) press only commented about her health. Thats not good.

The demographics for the usa have been changing for decades and more every year and like it or not, minorities vote democrat is overwhelming numbers. Based on that and Trump being such a turnoff, even to republican voters; I'd say even if Hillary collapses in one of the debates; she still wins; whether she lives to January is the bigger question and what happens if she doesn't is the biggest question IMO.

It means that people, who vote for Hillary, vote, in fact, for a Vice President.
As for demographics, you are right. For example, by 2043 white population will be a minority in the US.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 01:13:06 AM

Cobaka, I think we see here another who is channeling good old King Canute.

Support for Trump is not as you are suggesting and not even GOP grandees are speaking that way any longer.

My guess is that 'minorities' what a horrible expression are far from being as homogenous as you, and other folks seem to think. For example, my guess, is that those people who are recent legal immigrants or their kids will tend to support Trump's desire to see immigration laws and policies carried out. Supporting Trump is in their best interest and, pretty much any recent, or second generation legal immigrant will understand this.

Blacks, also part of the 'minority' group are a different kettle of fish but have similar interests as recent migrants and for the same reasons - continued inward migration, particularly illegal migration threatens their economic and social position (and notwithstanding the overall positive effects of immigration - those on the lower rungs of society ARE impacted by immigration).

Like other US citizens, for blacks, the idea of making America great again resonates well - it is not hard to see how matters in the US are becoming polarised and looking more like Russia after the end of the Soviet Union. The way to end that is to do as Russia did, and as Trump proposes, and work on the home country, America, not on dominating the world.

In my opinion, anyone who configures the current election process as a Democrat vs Republican contest is mistaken. At best the two parties are simply the framework upon which the candidates and their interest groups structure their own campaigns. This means that asking what 'Republicans' or 'Democrats' about their opinion in the context of their party affiliation will miss the mark by a large margin.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on September 15, 2016, 01:25:22 AM

Quote from: Markje on September 12, 2016, 01:54:03 AM

After yesterday, we should be seriously concerned for Clinton's health as a president. Wasn't there once a whole debate on a maximum-age for a president after one of em got severe mental problems in old age?

Clinton apparently can't even hold a conference on an important day for America. The international(Dutch) press only commented about her health. Thats not good.

When I watched the news and saw that poisonous evil bitch collapse , I prayed to God and Allah that she would die!

I don't wish bad on anyone, but that women belongs in a coffin 6 ft under..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on September 15, 2016, 02:01:51 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on September 15, 2016, 01:25:22 AM

Quote from: Markje on September 12, 2016, 01:54:03 AM
After yesterday, we should be seriously concerned for Clinton's health as a president. Wasn't there once a whole debate on a maximum-age for a president after one of em got severe mental problems in old age?

Clinton apparently can't even hold a conference on an important day for America. The international(Dutch) press only commented about her health. Thats not good.

When I watched the news and saw that poisonous evil bitch collapse , I prayed to God and Allah that she would die!

I don't wish bad on anyone, but that women belongs in a coffin 6 ft under..

Now, now Stevebaby, that's NOT nice... :-X

Remember, someone may inadvertently dig up her bones in 4,500 years time, and release such a disease into their world. :hidechair:

In the olden days witches were burnt and not buried.... >:(

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on September 15, 2016, 02:07:12 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on September 15, 2016, 02:01:51 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on September 15, 2016, 01:25:22 AM
Quote from: Markje on September 12, 2016, 01:54:03 AM
After yesterday, we should be seriously concerned for Clinton's health as a president. Wasn't there once a whole debate on a maximum-age for a president after one of em got severe mental problems in old age?

Clinton apparently can't even hold a conference on an important day for America. The international(Dutch) press only commented about her health. Thats not good.

When I watched the news and saw that poisonous evil bitch collapse , I prayed to God and Allah that she would die!

I don't wish bad on anyone, but that women belongs in a coffin 6 ft under..

Now, now Stevebaby, that's NOT nice... :-X

Remember, someone may inadvertently dig up her bones in 4,500 years time, and release such a disease into their world. :hidechair:

In the olden days witches were burnt and not buried.... >:(

:ROFL:

:laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 02:10:20 AM

Notice how Team Trump have been quiet on the topic, at least for the time being?

Reason is that they really do not want to see Clinton drop out! They want her to lose good and proper to Trump on the basis of her own flaws and what the country sees of her. If she is replaced then it is possible that the new opponent might be able to win on the basis of their own support and merits. The longer Clinton hangs on the less possible it is for the Democrats to put up a substitute who has any chance of winning against Trump.

Of course, right now, it is very likely that a vote for a Clinton presidency would, in fact, be one for Kaine.

I am sure that the Democrat grandees have been making the asme calculations, however, if the suppositions about Clinton's health are close to the mark (and I kinda think they are) then Clinton already knows what is coming health wise, knows that she can not be president, at least not full term.

My calculation is that winning the presidency is the goal, not being president, not now. That means there will be no calculation of benefit for the USA, no thinking of the good of the electorate. This is a selfish attempt at self aggrandizement and thus she is most unlikely to relinquish her candidacy - after all, what has she got to lose either way? If she has Parkinsons then it is late stage and she does not have long to live. She wants to go out knowing that SHE was elected president of the USA, nothing else matters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 15, 2016, 02:42:00 AM

Andrew, I must admit I also was thinking along the same line. It is sad unfortunately.

While I dislike Trump, the reality of Hilary just does not get better.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on September 15, 2016, 05:59:45 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 02:10:20 AM

If she has Parkinsons then it is late stage and she does not have long to live.

You know nothing about Parkinson's disease. Suggest you do your homework first. Perhaps you meant some other disease?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on September 15, 2016, 06:25:36 AM

Quote from: yankee on September 15, 2016, 05:59:45 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 02:10:20 AM
If she has Parkinsons then it is late stage and she does not have long to live.

You know nothing about Parkinson's disease. Suggest you do your homework first. Perhaps you meant some other disease?

Symptoms of parkinsons (source: parkinson.org)
Tremor or Shaking
Small Handwriting
Loss of Smell
Trouble Sleeping
Trouble Moving or Walking
Constipation
A Soft or Low Voice
Masked Face
Dizziness or Fainting
Stooping or Hunching Over

Now, Clinton has exhibited a lot of these symptoms that the public knows about.
Tremor or Shaking, Small Handwriting, Trouble Moving or Walking, Masked Face, Dizziness or Fainting,Stooping or Hunching Over

There's also a few the public won't probably know about because it doesn't show except to the patient (loss of smell, constipation, ....)

As far as the stage of parkinsons he is in (if she really has it) it is at least stage-3, and possibly stage-4. This means 4 years MAX! of life, of which 1-2 years MAX of doing your work.

Now clinton isn't a pauper, so with proper medical care, she might do as Michael J Fox and have 10 years.... but MJF got it at age 29, she is much, much older.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 06:41:08 AM

All of that is true.

However, most liars try to make a foundation of truth. It is my suspicion that she does have pneumonia. Pneumonia is, from what I have read, a late stage issue in Parkinsons. It occurs because she can no longer control her swallowing reflex. Ultimately she will drown in her own saliva. This happened to the father of a friend of mine many years ago. As his lungs filled he could not breathe properly and he died. Not a nice way to go.

If this is the case for Clinton she doesn't have a long time ahead of her, particularly if she has to undergo the stress of the campaign and also of concealment, the latter will reduce the time of treatment and recovery. I have seen suggestions of less than a year.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 15, 2016, 06:58:43 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 06:41:08 AM

All of that is true.

However, most liars try to make a foundation of truth. It is my suspicion that she does have pneumonia. Pneumonia is, from what I have read, a late stage issue in Parkinsons. It occurs because she can no longer control her swallowing reflex. Ultimately she will drown in her own saliva. This happened to the father of a friend of mine many years ago. As his lungs filled he could not breathe properly and he died. Not a nice way to go.

If this is the case for Clinton she doesn't have a long time ahead of her, particularly if she has to undergo the stress of the campaign and also of concealment, the latter will reduce the time of treatment and recovery. I have seen suggestions of less than a year.

Andrerw, Sorry to hear of your friends father.

I suspect there are those who are hoping too much. While I find Ms. Clinton almost evil I doubt she has any form of Parkinson. Yes she certainly has an inflated ego and above average self worth syndrome but I doubt she is suffering from Parkinson's. Will she die on the job if she is elected, I doubt it, but she will than accomplish two firsts for a POTUS if this becomes fact.

What I sense from talking to some of the rather liberal-female-equality friends that Trump is wearing down there admiration of Hilary. Can HE win, not sure. I suspect it will come down to the debates. I understand team Clinton have been carefully preparing for these debates.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 07:25:58 AM

There's something wrong with Clinton. Some of you may recall me writing about a woman with whom I had a 'troubled' relationship. She had a problem with seizures. Fortunately, eventually, she was able to find out what was causing the trouble and a way to control and reduce, almost completely, the fits. (on a side note, it took a trip to see a specialist in Saint Petersburg, Russia, to get this done).

Long story short, I have seen various videos of Clinton having what are claimed to be seizures of one sort or another. I recognised what I was seeing as being similar to the woman I loved. Not exactly the same. Clinton's, with the exception of the one last week, seem transient, my companion's lasted seconds to minutes. However the woodeness, the looking upward with wide eyes and open mouth, and latterly the rigidity combined with total inability to balance and move, yes, I know this stuff.

One thing that went through my mind though on the 9th September was this: it was very apparent that she had a full seizure, she fell like a bag of sand when unsupported. But the team were obviously ready for 'something'. However, this particular event was a surprise to them. How do I know? First of all they were not prepared to physically handle her effectively and secondly because I was the bloke with the plastic tube to ram into my gf's mouth in order that she not swallow her tongue or bite it off and to enable her to breathe. If Team Clinton were expecting this kind of seizure then somebody would, I am sure, have had such a device to hand and the training to use it. Also, like me, they'd have known how to handle her physically, known that walking was not, for her, an option. Clearly they expected that she would walk; instead they had to drag her into the car/ambulance. From experience, I learned how to handle my gf better than happened to Clinton.

Recovery from these episodes was pretty fast, especially if dosed with tranquilisers - diazepam always to hand. However, the dosage required would lead to a somewhat blissed out person who did not act normally and who would need a lot if sleep after a very tiring and draining event. I wonder if what we saw outside Chelsea Clinton's home was representative of this behaviour, explaining both her appearance and demeanour. My only query was that there was no Secret Service accompaniment visible behind or around her - that's very odd.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on September 15, 2016, 07:35:43 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 06:41:08 AM

All of that is true.

However, most liars try to make a foundation of truth. It is my suspicion that she does have pneumonia. Pneumonia is, from what I have read, a late stage issue in Parkinsons. It occurs because she can no longer control her swallowing reflex. Ultimately she will drown in her own saliva. This happened to the father of a friend of mine many years ago. As his lungs filled he could not breathe properly and he died. Not a nice way to go.

If this is the case for Clinton she doesn't have a long time ahead of her, particularly if she has to undergo the stress of the campaign and also of concealment, the latter will reduce the time of treatment and recovery. I have seen suggestions of less than a year.

Andrew, I suggest you talk to a person with Parkinson's.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 15, 2016, 07:38:13 AM

Quote from: yankee on September 15, 2016, 07:35:43 AM

Andrew, I suggest you talk to a person with Parkinson's.

That could be difficult. Than again talking with Hilary . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on September 15, 2016, 07:44:39 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 15, 2016, 07:38:13 AM

Quote from: yankee on September 15, 2016, 07:35:43 AM
Andrew, I suggest you talk to a person with Parkinson's.

That could be difficult. Than again talking with Hilary . . .

Why would it be difficult?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 07:59:03 AM

I am not a doctor, don't play one on TV. However, please read what I wrote and then go look at some of the video footage. Look particularly at the video from 9th September, both her seizure and the weird stuff at Chelsea Clinton's home. Look at how she was handled, ask yourself if a trained cadre would have needed to treat her as she was, would have left her as vulnerable as she was.

This stuff I know about from first hand. This is not what people who are healthy do. One other datapoints - at least in the case of my former girlfriend, the liklihood of having a seizure was directly related to the level of stress - even if the stress was a pleasurable thing such as a family gathering. I knew that if a particular expression crossed her face followed by a look up at the ceiling then there was about 10 seconds to prepare to catch and hold her. We see the same in the video from September 9th. The expression we don't see, but that can be seen in other previous videos. The rigidity, the upward look followed by the inability to stand or walk, that's what we see.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on September 15, 2016, 08:03:09 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 07:59:03 AM

I am not a doctor, don't play one on TV. However, please read what I wrote and then go look at some of the video footage. Look particularly at the video from 9th September, both her seizure and the weird stuff at Chelsea Clinton's home. Look at how she was handled, ask yourself if a trained cadre would have needed to treat her as she was, would have left her as vulnerable as she was.

This stuff I know about from first hand. This is not what people who are healthy do. One other datapoints - at least in the case of my former girlfriend, the liklihood of having a seizure was directly related to the level of stress - even if the stress was a pleasurable thing such as a family gathering.

Andrew, I have Parkinson's disease. I was diagnosed 5 years ago. When I have questions I usually contact either my Neurologist or other doctors that are expert in the field.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 08:04:28 AM

Quote from: yankee on September 15, 2016, 08:03:09 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 07:59:03 AM
I am not a doctor, don't play one on TV. However, please read what I wrote and then go look at some of the video footage. Look particularly at the video from 9th September, both her seizure and the weird stuff at Chelsea Clinton's home. Look at how she was handled, ask yourself if a trained cadre would have needed to treat her as she was, would have left her as vulnerable as she was.

This stuff I know about from first hand. This is not what people who are healthy do. One other datapoints - at least in the case of my former girlfriend, the liklihood of having a seizure was directly related to the level of stress - even if the stress was a pleasurable thing such as a family gathering.

Andrew, I have Parkinson's disease. I was diagnosed 5 years ago. When I have questions I usually contact either my Neurologist or other doctors that are expert in the field.

So, you already know about this stuff. You deal with it and know what to expect. Do you you have these seizures or do they remain in your future?

Does your wife carry the plastic tube in her purse yet?

Do you get the tremors? Have you tried the blue glasses? The ones Clinton wears?

My ex girl friend did not have Parkinsons. But the seizures, the fits, that stuff correlates to what I see in Clinton.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on September 15, 2016, 08:12:06 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 08:04:28 AM

Quote from: yankee on September 15, 2016, 08:03:09 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 07:59:03 AM
I am not a doctor, don't play one on TV. However, please read what I wrote and then go look at some of the video footage. Look particularly at the video from 9th September, both her seizure and the weird stuff at Chelsea Clinton's home. Look at how she was handled, ask yourself if a trained cadre would have needed to treat her as she was, would have left her as vulnerable as she was.

This stuff I know about from first hand. This is not what people who are healthy do. One other datapoints - at least in the case of my former girlfriend, the liklihood of having a seizure was directly related to the level of stress - even if the stress was a pleasurable thing such as a family gathering.

Andrew, I have Parkinson's disease. I was diagnosed 5 years ago. When I have questions I usually contact either my Neurologist or other doctors that are expert in the field.

So, you already know about this stuff. You deal with it and know what to expect. Do you you have these seizures or do they remain in your future?

Does your wife carry the plastic tube in her purse yet?

Do you get the tremors? Have you tried the blue glasses? The ones Clinton wears?

My ex girl friend did not have Parkinsons. But the seizures, the fits, that stuff correlates to what I see in Clinton.

I have tremors. And stress is a factor but not the only factor.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 08:18:27 AM

By the way, thanks for sharing. I have no wish to pry into your life but just as I understand what I see of Clinton and the claims made about her health through my experience with my former girlfriend and her similar, but not identical seizures so too yours helps with the suggestion that she may have Parkinsons.

As some doctors have said, without the reports from investigative work and testing one can not be sure of anything, but, for sure, something is up and, of course, we want to understand, to fill in the blanks.
What we see from her does fill in blanks that tend to colour out the suggestion of Parkinsons rather than just pneumonia. That means we are being lied to.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 15, 2016, 08:22:26 AM

Yankee, I hope a cure is found sooner rather than latter.

I have seen some from partners of friends suffer from this. I still am doubtful of the belief that Andrew believes, bit I him the benefit of doubt. As I have said before time will tell. He may be correct, but if so what a massive fraud. Than again - American politics.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on September 15, 2016, 08:28:28 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 08:18:27 AM

By the way, thanks for sharing. I have no wish to pry into your life but just as I understand what I see of Clinton and the claims made about her health through my experience with my former girlfriend and her similar, but not identical seizures so too yours helps with the suggestion that she may have Parkinsons.

As some doctors have said, without the reports from investigative work and testing one can not be sure of anything, but, for sure, something is up and, of course, we want to understand, to fill in the blanks.
What we see from her does fill in blanks that tend to colour out the suggestion of Parkinsons rather than just pneumonia. That means we are being lied to.

There is no question about her being a pathological lier.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 15, 2016, 08:36:53 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on September 14, 2016, 11:16:20 PM

Also note, he is way more conservative than Hilary or Obama.

Really? You think so?

I contend he's not "conservative" at all.

Personally I don't see a gnat's ass difference between their fiscal policies. They're both giving away BILLIONS of dollars of "free stuff" without any concern of how we'll eventually pay for it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 08:57:18 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 15, 2016, 08:22:26 AM

Yankee, I hope a cure is found sooner rather than latter.

I have seen some from partners of friends suffer from this. I still am doubtful of the belief that Andrew believes, bit I him the benefit of doubt. As I have said before time will tell. He may be correct, but if so what a massive fraud. Than again - American politics.

Can I just say that I do not think that this is fraud, if she is unwell to a degree greater than Team CLinton are admitting. Dishonest, yes, lying yes, fraudulent not. Thing is that her health is hers to choose to discuss or not - whether that is how it should be or not is a different matter. I think it is legitimate to speculate and to try to reach an understanding of what is going on based upon what can be seen. Her doctors have a duty to respect her wishes in terms of the details that are made public. That noted, the report from her doctor reads as though it was written by lawyers based upon input from a doctor.

We know that we have been lied to because Bill Clinton told us, because of the internal inconsistency of the stories we have been told - for example, we know that we were lied to when her staff claimed that they were going down like flies as a result of being infected with the same pneumonia as CLinton has yet later we were told by her physician that she is not infectious. Of course, we had to be told she was not infectious because she went and assaulted that little kid outside Chelsea's home, at least, it'd have been an assault if she were infectious. ;)

Bill told us that she fainted often over the years, but his wife told us the opposite, just twice that she can recall. Then there's the whole 'over heating' thing that was not mentioned in the doc's report.

This is a series of lies. Of course she has been lying, and Team Clinton on her behalf for ages. The health issue is only serving to highlight, on live TV and news broadcasts, what has been happening in closed rooms for years.

But fraud, no.
Not in respect of her health. But any other matters? A different story.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 15, 2016, 09:15:35 AM

Perhaps Andrew and I define fraud in different ways.

But on public forums yesterday was a doctor telling the public about Hilary's illness. Further she (the doctor) maintained that she would be healthy and hale in about a week. More important though was the the STRONG claim about her her mental health. It struck me as odd at the moment , now ? ? ?

If the doctor and Team Hilary are colluding I would call this fraud.

As I recall Wizz posted a video about the 'health' of Hilary a while back. Different elements have circulated for a longer period of time though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 09:43:48 AM

THe problem is that the doctor only acts upon the instructions of the patient. There's a legal duty in that regard. The patient has no obligation to publicise any part of his medical history. The doctor can not reveal any more than the patient allows.

There can not be fraud in that case!
Here's a definition for fraud: wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
In this situation there's no wrongful or criminal deception and thus no fraud.

BUT
Team Clinton, and Mrs Clinton are being dishonest with their audience and they have lied. They have been dishonest by seeking to minimise the degree and type of illness from which Mrs Clinton is suffering and they have lied by telling us things that are not true. Dishonesty and lying are not necessarily synonyms, although many people thing of them in that way.

See, fraud is a legal and criminal issue and no crime has been committed, but they have been dishonest and untruthful, and again, no crime has probably been committed.
Don't forget Mrs Clinton is a lawyer and a pretty good one at that, she knows full well the meanings of words and will impose that discipline upon her staff. You can see evidence of this in pretty much everything she says. That's why she uses words such as 'I do not recall doing this thing' in respect of matters of her alleged wrongdoing rather than saying the more usual 'I did not do this thing'. The two do not mean the same thing but we are supposed to take them as doing so - except that at a later date, if necessary, she will say 'but I never said I didn't do it, I just said I couldn't recall doing it'.

Whatever the state of the personal relationship between Bill and Hillary Clinton the professional relationship is probably a meeting of equals in both ability and ideology.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 15, 2016, 02:06:22 PM

Well, in this instance Trump has at least surrounded himself with knowledgeable people -

:thumbsup:

"Donald Trump as President wouldn't look to cut crop insurance or wage a war in Congress to split food stamps from the 2018 farm bill, his senior policy adviser said today. Speaking to reporters after an agriculture luncheon in Washington, senior policy adviser Sam Clovis said he doesn't see see a way that nutrition programs could be removed from the 2018 Farm Bill and still get enough votes to pass both chambers. Clovis threw water on the idea that a Trump administration would look to slash crop insurance. "Crop insurance is important however you get there," Clovis said, likening it to funding disaster prevention to cut the cost of emergency relief. "

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 15, 2016, 08:27:15 PM

Well it looks like Hillary's lead is deteriorating, as Trump has about evened up in the polls.
What's interesting is people that you would never expect to support Trump are going all in.
There's an elderly couple that as long as I can remember, would put signs in their yard supporting the democratic ticket.
This year vote Trump is proudly displayed. Wonder how many other hardcore dems, are newfound Trump's supporters?

After the election Hillary will have plenty of free time to care for her health

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 15, 2016, 09:13:32 PM

Just six weeks ago, Hillary Clinton's advantage in the Electoral College looked insurmountable. Now, based on the latest round of public polls, it's a different story.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/donald-trump-electoral-college-polls-228249

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 11:53:48 PM

I think there's a huge, but largely unseen groundswell of support, not so much for Trump, as for a change. Kinda the last throw of the dice, a last chance to reconfigure US society. Whether Trump is going to be able to meet the expectations vested in him by millions of invisible people is another matter, but I think we will see him carry the hopes of tens of millions into the White House.

But, he ain't no messiah! :'(

Whatever else Clinton might represent, she, her backers and controllers represent more of the same - and 'the same' does not look very good to most Americans.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on September 16, 2016, 11:58:11 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 15, 2016, 11:53:48 PM

I think there's a huge, but largely unseen groundswell of support, not so much for Trump, as for a change. Kinda the last throw of the dice, a last chance to reconfigure US society. Whether Trump is going to be able to meet the expectations vested in him by millions of invisible people is another matter, but I think we will see him carry the hopes of tens of millions into the White House.

But, he ain't no messiah! :'(

Whatever else Clinton might represent, she, her backers and controllers represent more of the same - and 'the same' does not look very good to most Americans.

I agree with all that. :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 19, 2016, 08:19:56 PM

Hillary blames Trump for fueling ISIS. BUT IF YOU READ THE COMMENTS, it's evident Hillary is despised, by what seems to be a growing number.

Brave Reporter Asks Hillary Clinton If Russia Bombed NYC in Order to 'Influence' Election

http://russia-insider.com/en/brave-reporter-asks-hillary-clinton-if-russia-bombed-nyc-order-influence-election/ri16538

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 21, 2016, 03:48:24 AM

Quote

You got to be a spirit, you can't be no ghost!

Anybody recognise those words or know from whence they came?

By the way, labelling people simply removes the ability to think about what those people are saying. Conservative or liberal are just labels used to confuse you, they don't even have clear meanings - and, of course, that's not an accident.

Actually Trump does have a means to pay for the things he wants to see, it is the core of his policies. Why do you think he goes on about 'making America great - again'?

Right now the USA is the poorest country in the world, can't afford anything. It doesn't show yet because you didn't yet max out your national credit card. Nobody in her right mind would ever suggest that a person who had a high credit limit and who owed more than could be repaid was rich, but she might have fancy clothes and a nice car.
That's the USA, more indebted than anywhere else (forget debt per head or other such excuses and fig leaves).

The only way to pay for ANYTHING in the United States is to earn enough to pay for it and THAT'S what making America great - again is all about. Over here in the civilised world I think that a very large proportion of us would be happy to see the USA making itself great again. You guys have much to offer, but not this perverted, diseased husk - nobody wants that, and neither should you lot over there in the colonies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 21, 2016, 07:44:53 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 21, 2016, 03:48:24 AM

Quote
You got to be a spirit, you can't be no ghost!

Some speaking to Senator Bulworth, as I recall.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 21, 2016, 09:19:50 AM

I predict Monday night is not going to be a good one for Trump.

He's been doing great lately because his brilliant new campaign manager has been keeping him focused on the issues and "on-script" during his public speeches.

But in a debate setting, where is will be totally off script, I fear he will revert back to his old Trump tactics and make his usual stupid offensive statements.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 21, 2016, 10:15:33 AM

Quote from: shakespear on September 21, 2016, 09:19:50 AM

I predict Monday night is not going to be a good one for Trump.

He's been doing great lately because his brilliant new campaign manager has been keeping him focused on the issues and "on-script" during his public speeches.

But in a debate setting, where is will be totally off script, I fear he will revert back to his old Trump tactics and make his usual stupid offensive statements.

Hilary has ALLOT more to loose than Donald.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 23, 2016, 07:08:18 PM

Ted Cruz endorses Trump, will Shakespeare be next?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/23/politics/ted-cruz-endorses-donald-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 24, 2016, 04:04:43 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 23, 2016, 07:08:18 PM

Ted Cruz endorses Trump, will Shakespeare be next?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/23/politics/ted-cruz-endorses-donald-trump/

Thanks, Just spilled my coffee! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 24, 2016, 04:33:16 AM

Shakespear, like many others, you don't get that what you are watching is a performance. An actor playing a role.

If Clinton were less ill she'd be playing a role too.

Do you honestly think that Trump is unable to marshall facts, present a case and win an argument by persuasion?
He has been doing that for decades!

Whatever you see on Monday night will be a performance designed to persuade the US electorate that he, Donald Trump, is president in waiting. In that role his main task is to draw comparison between himself and the very unwell Hillary Clinton. His target will be to show that there is much to fear from voting for Clinton.

When considering the output from Team Trump think of it as a corporate enterprise. Remember that nobody forced personnel changes, changes to the team were, and are, a reflection of the needs of Team Trump in respect of the current primary goal - winning the general election.

It has been rightly said that the mark of a great manager is not who he, or she hires but who they fire and how it is done.

With hindsight it is now clear that each significant change to top level team was a result of reorientation of the team to advance goals and not the more scurrilous reasons applied by a propagandist press.

So,, Monday will, almost certainly, see one candidate clearly at the top of his persuasive powers and another approaching her nadir.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on September 24, 2016, 07:25:43 AM

Clinton is still alive?? Oh shit :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on September 24, 2016, 07:37:59 AM

Cruz endorses Trump.
Just leaves Shakespear to swing in behind now. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 24, 2016, 09:26:40 AM

This if true could definitely put Trump firmly in the driver's seat.

October Surprise: FBI Reveals Smoking Gun That Implicates Obama in Clinton Email Scandal

http://russia-insider.com/en/october-surprise-fbi-reveals-smoking-gun-implicates-obama-clinton-email-scandal/ri16645

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 24, 2016, 02:15:43 PM

This, I just had to share. The bloke's a frickin' genius.

Guess who is going to be front row on Monday night?

Gennifer Flowers!
https://mobile.twitter.com/gennflowers/status/779764506146680832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 24, 2016, 04:50:48 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 24, 2016, 02:15:43 PM

This, I just had to share. The bloke's a frickin' genius.

Guess who is going to be front row on Monday night?

Gennifer Flowers!
https://mobile.twitter.com/gennflowers/status/779764506146680832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Where's Monika?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Enthusiast on September 24, 2016, 05:38:26 PM

Trump would turn American Flag into a dollar bill. Businessmen are about MAKING MONEY. I am one and I think Trump would be a disastrous president. So far national polls show higher ratings for Hillary. If he wins and repeals ObamaCare Affordable Health Care Plans, I will be out of a job! I work for BlueCross BlueShield in the exact department that deals with these new plans.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on September 24, 2016, 05:45:44 PM

Quote from: Enthusiast on September 24, 2016, 05:38:26 PM

Trump would turn American Flag into a dollar bill. Businessmen are about MAKING MONEY. I am one and I think Trump would be a disastrous president. So far national polls show higher ratings for Hillary. If he wins and repeals ObamaCare Affordable Health Care Plans, I will be out of a job! I work for BlueCross BlueShield in the exact department that deals with these new plans.

So you are able to see first hand how they have increased each year? And that they are a bad deal for the consumer, by comparison with what they were paying pre-ACA?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Enthusiast on September 24, 2016, 05:57:19 PM

Are you kidding me? I was using one of those individual plans earlier and ended up spending $3000 less on health costs that year than the year before. It saved me a ton of money. Now of course I have a way better plan from my company and pay next to nothing since BCBS is the insurance company itself. My job deals with making sure the government pays for what it promised to pay and it does 90 percent of the time, but we have to argue over the other ten percent. BCBS is became more profitable because of these plans, at least in my state.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on September 24, 2016, 07:15:23 PM

Quote from: Enthusiast on September 24, 2016, 05:38:26 PM

Trump would turn American Flag into a dollar bill. Businessmen are about MAKING MONEY. I am one and I think Trump would be a disastrous president. So far national polls show higher ratings for Hillary. If he wins and repeals ObamaCare Affordable Health Care Plans, I will be out of a job! I work for BlueCross BlueShield in the exact department that deals with these new plans.

I hate to tell you this but I hate ObamaCare. My wife's insurance (for her only) is $5418 with a $2000 out of pocket. She has two doctor appointments a year. That means she pays $3500 per doctor appointment.

My chiropractor pays $1800 per month with a $10K out of pocket. this is for 3 people.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Enthusiast on September 25, 2016, 12:35:00 AM

Get BCBS plan! I think the value depends on how often you visit doctors and the insurance company/plan. I get medication that costs $65K per year and that is just one. I pay $2000 out of pocket and that's it.

That's aside from the fact that it's unethical not to provide insurance to poorer people.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on September 25, 2016, 01:02:51 AM

Quote from: Enthusiast on September 25, 2016, 12:35:00 AM

Get BCBS plan! I think the value depends on how often you visit doctors and the insurance company/plan. I get medication that costs $65K per year and that is just one. I pay $2000 out of pocket and that's it.

Will someone please clarify exactly what "Out of pocket" means..??
Does it mean that if one makes a claim, that they have to pay the first amount out of their own pocket??
If so, is that once a year, or at each and every claim within a year, or once in the lifetime of the policy?
Does the cost of the policies relate to a monthly cost/annual cost??
Are previous/known conditions covered absolutely/partly/not at all...

Quote from: Enthusiast on September 25, 2016, 12:35:00 AM

That's aside from the fact that it's unethical not to provide ~~insurance~~ FREE full medical care to poorer people.

Corrected that for you....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on September 25, 2016, 02:29:17 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on September 25, 2016, 01:02:51 AM

Quote from: Enthusiast on September 25, 2016, 12:35:00 AM
Get BCBS plan! I think the value depends on how often you visit doctors and the insurance company/plan. I get medication that costs $65K per year and that is just one. I pay $2000 out of pocket and that's it.

Will someone please clarify exactly what "Out of pocket" means..??
Does it mean that if one makes a claim, that they have to pay the first amount out of their own pocket??
If so, is that once a year, or at each and every claim within a year, or once in the lifetime of the policy?
Does the cost of the policies relate to a monthly cost/annual cost??
Are previous/known conditions covered absolutely/partly/not at all...

Quote from: Enthusiast on September 25, 2016, 12:35:00 AM
That's aside from the fact that it's unethical not to provide ~~insurance~~ FREE full medical care to poorer people.

Corrected that for you....

+1

65k for medication???
Who's making obscene profits here?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Enthusiast on September 25, 2016, 05:12:58 AM

Jazz Pharmaceuticals has 965 percent markup on a drug that only one pharmacy in the world sells - Xyrem (Sodium Oxybate), but it works wonders for those with my condition - narcolepsy, the only condition for which it can be prescribed. Because narcolepsy is a very rare condition and Xyrem is an Orphaned drug, FDA allowed such a heavy markup.

It's illegal to make it of course, but it costs like $50 to make gallons of it, and they send me tiny bottles each month. Now THAT is UNethical 100 percent.

What is funny is that my narcolepsy started a few days after I immigrated to the US from Ukraine. It's almost as if my body cannot adjust to US timezone after 16 years of living here...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on September 25, 2016, 07:08:14 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on September 25, 2016, 01:02:51 AM

Quote from: Enthusiast on September 25, 2016, 12:35:00 AM
Get BCBS plan! I think the value depends on how often you visit doctors and the insurance company/plan. I get medication that costs $65K per year and that is just one. I pay $2000 out of pocket and that's it.

Will someone please clarify exactly what "Out of pocket" means..??
Does it mean that if one makes a claim, that they have to pay the first amount out of their own pocket??
If so, is that once a year, or at each and every claim within a year, or once in the lifetime of the policy?
Does the cost of the policies relate to a monthly cost/annual cost??
Are previous/known conditions covered absolutely/partly/not at all...

Quote from: Enthusiast on September 25, 2016, 12:35:00 AM
That's aside from the fact that it's unethical not to provide ~~insurance~~ FREE full medical care to poorer people.

Corrected that for you....

It means that we have to pay from our pockets $2000 before the insurance company will start to pay anything.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 25, 2016, 07:48:05 AM

I have private health insurance too. Odd thing though, this guy's policy excess is almost two times what I pay for my coverage for the year. I DO have an excess, it is £500 per year and I pay initial consultant visits, usually that's about £180.

Truly there can be little doubt but that the US health system is borked beyond salvation. I do think that the intention of Obama was not what you guys now see. However, that's your own fault, for decades you have been the only turkeys in the world who, time after time, after time, vote in favour of Christmas (or in your case Thanksgiving).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 25, 2016, 10:28:49 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 25, 2016, 07:48:05 AM

I have private health insurance too. Odd thing though, this guy's policy excess is almost two times what I pay for my coverage for the year. I DO have an excess, it is £500 per year and I pay initial consultant visits, usually that's about £180.

Truly there can be little doubt but that the US health system is borked beyond salvation. I do think that the intention of Obama was not what you guys now see. However, that's your own fault, for decades you have been the only turkeys in the world who, time after time, after time, vote in favour of Christmas (or in your case Thanksgiving).

Obama is a politician and what a politician promises and he/she delivers is little different than a prostitute. But Andrew is correct as an example my brother has 4 employees. They had as full time employees health insurance via Blue Cross/Shield cost him $ 7,000 a year, this was via a state program. He had to drop it, now with Obama care he pays nothing but the employees are each paying over $400 per month for Obama 'care'.

Yes the system is 'borked'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 25, 2016, 11:47:59 AM

Quote from: yankee on September 25, 2016, 07:08:14 AM

It means that we have to pay from our pockets $2000 before the insurance company will start to pay anything.

A correct but simplified answer. Let me be a bit more specific.

Health Insurance Networks here in the USA have a system of doctors who participate in the network. This means they have contractually agreed upon the rate of payment they will accept for each specific code of service. They can be anywhere from 10% to 90% less than their non-negotiated standard rate for that same individual service code. A customer who is enrolled in this network gets that negotiated rate for the medical service he requires.

For example, a person has an appendicitis. The non-negotiated standard payment rate for this injury code might be $10,000. The doctor who is in this network has agreed to accept $3000 for this service from patients of the this specific insurance network. Depending on the number of people in the network plan, the negotiated rates can be different for the same service.

The "out of pocket" number, or often called the deductible is usually expressed for an individual or a entire family. This is the amount of those negotiate rate service codes the patient has to pay on his own without any reimbursement from his insurance policy. An example might look like this: $2500 per individual and $7500 per family. It your out of pocket expenses exceed either threshold, you move to the next coverage level.

The next level is the shared coverage level. Once you have met your deductible, the insurance company will pay a specific percentage of the additional cost up to the maximum cash outlay level. Depending on the policy the amount of cost sharing is usually between 65-85% depending on the rules of the policy. Higher amounts are often negotiated if you are using a doctor that is in your network of approved physicians.

So in the appendicitis example above, assuming it occurred AFTER a patient has met his deductible and it is an 80% reimbursement policy, $2400 of the negotiated $3000 cost would be paid by the insurance company, the remaining $600 by the policyholder.

The final level is the maximum cash outlay level. This is a finite level where once reached the insurance company is obligated to pay 100% of the negotiated service code amounts for the remainder of the policy period. This amount is often between $10,000 to $20,000 per individual and 2X-3X for a family.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on September 26, 2016, 02:29:10 AM

Thank fook for the NHS!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 26, 2016, 03:03:39 AM

Quote from: rosco on September 26, 2016, 02:29:10 AM

Thank fook for the NHS!!

Yes, the NHS may be 'best of breed' but in general the various forms of socialised medicine found in the civilised world are by far and away better than the perverse form of wealth extraction found in the United States.

It should be remembered that the NHS was set up and supported not just by 'lefty socialist onanists' but by industrialists, big business and the Tory party. In fact the NHS was a development of the medical services offered by many big businesses in the United Kingdom. The premise of these industrial medical services and the successor NHS was that human capital was an asset of the state as much as of the individual. To that end, the state benefited from the good health of its people. Once one has that understanding sorted out it makes good sense to provide socialised health care as found in the UK.

Of course, all taxpayers in the UK actually pay to support the NHS. In comparison to the system of legalised extortion in the USA though, the cost is reasonable and the price is not paid under duress and in extremis.
Equally good, the private sector still has a role to play but because of the base load carried by the NHS the cost of private sector care is reasonable and thus accessible to people in a manner not possible in the USA. I know that some object to the sharing of resources that goes on but, for example, when I recently needed laser treatment of an eye to prevent imminent loss of sight I received treatment in an NHS facility, after hours. I paid the consultant for his time and a fee to the NHS for the use of the facility. As a result, all the staff present were getting paid extra money, the capital costs of the equipment and establishment were being subsidised by my payment and, because I did not take a place in the NHS queue, the treatment for all NHS patients was speeded up by a small amount. The benefit to me was that I received treatment at a time suitable to me and within a time frame for which I was happy to pay.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on September 26, 2016, 02:25:22 PM

So the first debate is coming up in a few hours. Lets have feedback from across the pond.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 26, 2016, 02:48:47 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on September 26, 2016, 02:25:22 PM

So the first debate is coming up in a few hours. Lets have feedback from across the pond.

Polls show 87% of probable voters will NOT change their vote based on tonight's debate.

100 million viewers will be watching for entertainment purposes only.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on September 26, 2016, 03:16:42 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 26, 2016, 02:48:47 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on September 26, 2016, 02:25:22 PM
So the first debate is coming up in a few hours. Lets have feedback from across the pond.

Polls show 87% of probable voters will NOT change their vote based on tonight's debate.

100 million viewers will be watching for entertainment purposes only.

Is this recorded anywhere we can watch it? I'd like to watch that Trump-Clinton debate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 26, 2016, 03:18:19 PM

Stuart, thy this:

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-watch-tonights-clinton-trump-debate/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on September 26, 2016, 03:23:26 PM

Ahh, this is 2am here: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-time-presidential-debate-how-8915296

I guess it will be on Youtube from tomorrow.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 26, 2016, 07:46:32 PM

About half way through the 'debate' it is safe to say Donald has lost it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 26, 2016, 09:26:06 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 26, 2016, 07:46:32 PM

About half way through the 'debate' it is safe to say Donald has lost it.

Agreed.

He was clearly completely unprepared.

However I don't think he lost any votes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 26, 2016, 09:28:43 PM

The loser tonight was the American voters. Neither candidate had anything of substance to offer.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steamer on September 26, 2016, 10:40:50 PM

It was just a rehash of the same old talking points without any depth on any issues.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on September 26, 2016, 10:44:02 PM

Very funny IMO..

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on September 26, 2016, 10:44:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 26, 2016, 09:26:06 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 26, 2016, 07:46:32 PM
About half way through the 'debate' it is safe to say Donald has lost it.

Agreed.

He was clearly completely unprepared.

However I don't think he lost any votes.

Agree..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 27, 2016, 12:44:26 AM

Lost, Trump, doubt it.

Most of the polling shows him as ahead on the debate.
(https://mobile.twitter.com/MeetThePress/status/780599186131709952/photo/1)

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Boris on September 27, 2016, 06:51:45 AM

All she had to do was hold her own and she did more than that. She has to have a major catastrophe to lose like more metal shooting out of her leg or throwing an email server into a crowd of kindergarten children. I don't think I can vote for President this time. We have several important state and local elections that I'll vote for but I just can't vote for either one of these "candidates" right now. I haven't missed a Prez election since Reagan in '84. The first election I was eligible to vote in...Blah.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 27, 2016, 07:36:53 AM

Quote from: Steamer on September 26, 2016, 10:40:50 PM

It was just a rehash of the same old talking points without any depth on any issues.

Trump did well in the first 30 minutes. But he stupidly "took the bait" and rambled nonsensically about the birther issue and his taxes. I don't think he took the debate seriously and it showed in the last 60 minutes. He failed to attack her on some of her weakest policies and actions. He flopped badly in the later 2/3 of the debate. Any unbiased observer could clearly see that.

Hillary was as "likeable" as I've ever seen her and even then she was still annoying.

I don't think this debate is going to move the polls. That's good for Trump. If you remember 4 years ago Romney kicked Obama's ass in the first debate yet lost the election handily. Trump has two more debates to refocus.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Boris on September 27, 2016, 07:52:19 AM

Quote from: shakespear on September 27, 2016, 07:36:53 AM

Quote from: Steamer on September 26, 2016, 10:40:50 PM
It was just a rehash of the same old talking points without any depth on any issues.

Trump did well in the first 30 minutes. But he stupidly "took the bait" and rambled nonsensically about the birther issue and his taxes. I don't think he took the debate seriously and it showed in the last 60 minutes. He failed to attack her on some of her weakest policies and actions. He flopped badly in the later 2/3 of the debate. Any unbiased observer could clearly see that.

Hillary was as "likeable" as I've ever seen her and even then she was still annoying.

I don't think this debate is going to move the polls. That's good for Trump. If you remember 4 years ago Romney kicked Obama's ass in the first debate yet lost the election handily. Trump has two more debates to refocus.

N/A. The demographics and distribution of electoral votes favor the Democrats. Hillary will have to make a major gaff to lose. It is only going to get worse for the Republicans in future Presidential elections. Is Estonia nice in the fall, Andrew?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 27, 2016, 08:32:47 AM

Quote from: Boris on September 27, 2016, 07:52:19 AM

N/A. The demographics and distribution of electoral votes favor the Democrats. Hillary will have to make a major gaff to lose. It is only going to get worse for the Republicans in future Presidential elections.

That is true but it is not an impossible path. It appears Florida is the key. If Trump loses Florida, his path to 270 is nearly impossible. Even if he wins Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado and Nevada.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 27, 2016, 08:56:40 AM

From what I am seeing, not having watched the big game, it seems that Trump did the most important thing: didn't seem scary and secondly, partly because he chose to not pursue certain topics, seemed more 'presidential'. The grownups already know that 'facts' are no part of the competency package for a presidential candidate, for USAians it is the feelz. Feelz will be remembered, facts are already gone from memory. On that basis 100,000,000 people saw a man who was less scary than Clinton and more presidential than she.

Notably pundits tended to try to suggest that Clinton came out ahead. The peeps say differently and, unlike opinion polls these vox pops are likely to reflect the reality as perceived by the electorate.

Again, based upon what I have seen, my guess is that Team Trump are satisfied with last night. Team Clinton are happy that their drug therapy held together for long enough and that the next debate will be more important.

If Shakespear is right about the number of floating votes then Trump has plenty of margin to win - assuming that one thinks current polling is representative of the intentions of the electorate. For myself, I think his invisible lead margin has increased overnight.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 27, 2016, 09:26:50 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 27, 2016, 08:56:40 AM

From what I am seeing, not having watched the big game, it seems that Trump did the most important thing: didn't seem scary and secondly, partly because he chose to not pursue certain topics, seemed more 'presidential'. The grownups already know that 'facts' are no part of the competency package for a presidential candidate, for USAians it is the feelz. Feelz will be remembered, facts are already gone from memory. On that basis 100,000,000 people saw a man who was less scary than Clinton and more presidential than she.

I agree with FiFi to an extent. He did show self control and was successful in looking "plausible" as a US President; especially in the first 30 minutes of the debate. However in the last 60 minutes he lost his "presidential bearing" with contorted facial gestures, one syllable grunting noises, wheezing breathing and run-on answers that were nonsensical in their content.

Hillary FRYED him on the birther topic. I have long advocated that his ridiculous position on this foolish topic would come back to bite him in the ass one day. Last night during the debate was that day.

She also scored huge points on his tax returns. I think it is probable that the reason he does not release them is because with the advice of some of the most brilliant tax accountants and attorneys, he is LEGALLY not paying very much tax compared to his income. I think he is justifiably concerned that the public perception; especially after the Democrats finish spinning this fact to their advantage, will not be favorable.

Overall he clearly lost the debate. He was unprepared and gave too many long rambling answers. I don't think his poor performance is going to cost him any votes.

I have no doubt we will be much better prepared in 10 days when they face off again. Regrettably the "town hall" forum, with questions coming from the audience is not as conducive to his most effective attacking style.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 27, 2016, 09:52:29 AM

Shakespear, here's a thing. Unlike a debate at university or in a debate club there is no scoring, no judge - except for popular opinion. These are not true debates they are staged theatre.

So, the answer to the question 'who won' is this: what do the peeps think?
And there the polls (not the pre-selected panel pollster toys) have their say. On that score the results are in. With the exception of a couple of outliers such as CNN and Drudge (Dem and GOP respectively) the trend is quite clear, Trump won. However he clearly did not 'win' as much as he could've done.

Here's another thing: there's no way that Trump would have entered that event 'underprepared' - that's not what one does. He will have been fully prepared with a fully agreed upon strategy that it was his job to implement.

How do I know? Well, I have done a few debates in my time, for much lower stakes. Nobody who is at all serious doesn't prepare, one's self esteem does not allow it - you know that for yourself, I am sure.

Secondly, he is an experienced negotiator, he absolutely knows how to play this game because he does it all the time. What you saw last night was a man going about his business.

One last point: the behaviour in the latter part of the show may have been his impatience showing through, if so it is something that will be worked upon over the next few days because I am sure that the mannerisms that you are seeing at the moment, the bearing he is portraying are not his natural style, he is having to mask up and that takes practice and work and is stressful. He will get better at it but anyone who has learned to mask body language knows: that shit ain't easy!

Trump is never going to be another Putin when it comes to masking up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 27, 2016, 10:27:41 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 27, 2016, 09:52:29 AM

Here's another thing: there's no way that Trump would have entered that event 'underprepared' - that's not what one does. He will have been fully prepared with a fully agreed upon strategy that it was his job to implement.

Interesting. Did you actually WATCH the whole 90 minute debate?

I did. Live. All 90 minutes. Fox News started making excuses for Trump 5 minutes after it ended. It's clear he expected to waltz through and "wing it" just like he did in the primary debates. That plan clearly backfired on him. You could see the concern on his family's faces after the debate when they exited the building. Conversely the Clinton family looked like they were on a picnic; all smiling and laughing. Then in the "spin room" after the debate you could also see the concern on the Republican Party operatives. Their statements were brief and they disappeared in 30 minutes while Democrats stayed for hours with plenty to say to the press.

He looked good in the first 30 minutes. After that his lack of debate preparation was obvious.

There is no question whatsoever that he lost the overall debate.

I don't believe his campaign advisers will allow him to make the same mistake twice. History shows us when Trump gets badly beaten at something, like he did in the Wisconsin primary, he humbles himself and listens to advice which changes his behavior at least for the short term.

Expect a different Trump in 10 days.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on September 27, 2016, 11:00:57 AM

It was reminiscent of my debates with Justin.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on September 27, 2016, 11:06:27 AM

Quote from: TomT on September 27, 2016, 11:00:57 AM

It was reminiscent of my debates with Justin.

:laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on September 27, 2016, 11:19:36 AM

Quiet agree...

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 27, 2016, 02:58:24 PM

I already said that I didn't watch the big game. However there's stuff that I know and that perhaps some who like wet feet have forgotten.

A poster on another forum put it this way:

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Well, F me…

Trump has forgotten more about dealing with scheming weasels than most any of us will ever know.

The debates.. just a short series of meetings.

And if you do not think that he has lowered her bar and set her up, you will likely be in for big surprise.

Some one else hit the nail on the head with this:

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Here we have a lot of advice on how to play 2D chess when Trump is playing 4D chess.

The question is not which pieces to play, but WHEN to play them.

It's the same in warfare. You don't expend all your ammunition on the first day. Shock and Awe sounds great, but once it's over, there is nothing left but a slog. Better to take your time, position your peices, establish yourself as the calm, in control candidate people fear that you aren't, THEN hit her hard with all the corruption stuff.

The last debate is when I expect that to happen.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-27/what-trump-should-do-second-debate

Bear in mind that Trump knows, as do all the professional pols, that facts are not important to you lot. Feelz is what you do. Feelz is a poor substitute for thinking though and that's how a once great nation ends up where it is now.

So, Trump won last night because of the Feelz. The polls tell us so. My guess is the 'proper' polling, even in their current bowdlerised format will show the effect.

The big guns will come for the last 'debate' so that you get filled with the Feelz that Team Trump wants you to go to the polling station with.
You think Team Clinton doesn't know this stuff? After congratulating Clinton and putting her to bed the real brains will be sitting down to reformulate strategy because Team Trump played a blinder; what they did was to build anticipation that Trump was going to be kicking ass in the first debate, getting personal about Clinton. She had been prepared for that debate, it didn't happen, she was scripted for the wrong meeting.

Now the next two meetings will be harder for Team Clinton because they know what will be coming, it will come when Clinton is more fatigued, even less strong, and as we and she know, there's not much good to be said about her recent career, her financial activities and her health. But to make matters worse, Team Clinton already used their anti-personel weapons last night. Trump is now 'immunised' those shots can not be fired again, they will not work any better through repetition.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 27, 2016, 03:56:08 PM

When considering disagreeing with me about Trump and his performance consider the evidence and remember that these debates are not to persuade pundits, not to convince professional politicians but to help real people, the electorate, make a choice. I may not hold the 'average American' in high regard but it isn't, usually, their fault. However, they/you have a responsibility to make an 'informed' choice shortly. These debates are for the folks who clicked links on informal polls last night and this morning.

Here's the unfettered voice of America as reported by the British Daily Mail newspaper: America Speaks Truth To Power (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3809204/Most-snap-polls-Trump-winning-debate-landslide.html?ito=social-facebook)

Disagree with this if you can!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on September 27, 2016, 04:43:10 PM

I reckon the American establishment are in for a big shock as ours was with Brexit.

Eventually people get fed up with more of the same.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steamer on September 27, 2016, 07:25:36 PM

Quote from: Manny on September 27, 2016, 04:43:10 PM

I reckon the American establishment are in for a big shock as ours was with Brexit.

Eventually people get fed up with more of the same.

Absolutely.
Many if not all Trump supporters want to blow up the status quo and you can't do that if you keep putting the same people back in office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on September 27, 2016, 09:06:39 PM

Clinton's "death" cost her less than a point. The next milestone is what Trump's pathetic debate performance will cost him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 12:21:22 AM

Quote from: shakespear on September 25, 2016, 11:47:59 AM

Quote from: yankee on September 25, 2016, 07:08:14 AM
It means that we have to pay from our pockets $2000 before the insurance company will start to pay anything.

A correct but simplified answer. Let me be a bit more specific.

Health Insurance Networks here in the USA have a system of doctors who participate in the network. This means they have contractually agreed upon the rate of payment they will accept for each specific code of service. They can be anywhere from 10% to 90% less than their non-negotiated standard rate for that same individual service code. A customer who is enrolled in this network gets that negotiated rate for the medical service he requires.

For example, a person has an appendicitis. The non-negotiated standard payment rate for this injury code might be $10,000. The doctor who is in this network has agreed to accept $3000 for this service from patients of the this specific insurance network. Depending on the number of people in the network plan, the negotiated rates can be different for the same service.

The "out of pocket" number, or often called the deductible is usually expressed for an individual or a entire family. This is the amount of those negotiate rate service codes the patient has to pay on his own without any reimbursement from his insurance policy. An example might look like this: $2500 per individual and $7500 per family. It your out of pocket expenses exceed either threshold, you move to the next coverage level.

The next level is the shared coverage level. Once you have met your deductible, the insurance company will pay a specific percentage of the additional cost up to the maximum cash outlay level. Depending on the policy the amount of cost sharing is usually between 65-85% depending on the rules of the policy. Higher amounts are often negotiated if you are using a doctor that is in your network of approved physicians.

So in the appendicitis example above, assuming it occurred AFTER a patient has met his deductible and it is an 80% reimbursement policy, $2400 of the negotiated $3000 cost would be paid by the insurance company, the remaining $600 by the policyholder.

The final level is the maximum cash outlay level. This is a finite level where once reached the insurance company is obligated to pay 100% of the negotiated service code amounts for the remainder of the policy period. This amount is often between $10,000 to $20,000 per individual and 2X-3X for a family.

Great explanation!
Simple and clear.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 12:22:16 AM

Quote from: rosco on September 27, 2016, 11:06:27 AM

Quote from: TomT on September 27, 2016, 11:00:57 AM
It was reminiscent of my debates with Justin.

:laugh:

:laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 12:24:54 AM

Quote from: shakespear on September 26, 2016, 09:26:06 PM

However I don't think he lost any votes.

Trump supporters think he can walk on water.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 12:31:01 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 26, 2016, 09:28:43 PM

The loser tonight was the American voters. Neither candidate had anything of substance to offer.

Quite right.
Vanity Fair: A "History" without a Hero.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 28, 2016, 12:40:09 AM

No, he can't walk on water but too many people do not yet have a handle upon the degree to which a vote for Trump is a protest vote.

Protest votes don't show up in conventional opinion polling, protest votes do not shout from the treetops, they don't even have an organisation - which is why they are aligning now with an existing infrastructure in Trump.

Trump is no more a Republican than Tony Blair was a socialist. Both use, or used, the existing party system to attain goals that would not have been attainable otherwise. Albeit Blair had different motivation and purpose.

People such as Tom and Shakespear look on in bewilderment at what is happening because they don't have any understanding of, or connection to, the yuuuge problems facing a majority of Americans. Trump is riding a tidal wave of support because he gives voice to those dissatisfied millions. He ain't perfect, but he is the only voice for change that they can see. The other voice came from a candidate not strong enough to stand against the devices, tricks and traps designed to take him down.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 12:42:11 AM

Quote from: shakespear on September 27, 2016, 10:27:41 AM

Expect a different Trump in 10 days.

This is a scary truth.
Never know what to expect from him.
Do we really want an unpredictable President?
I am confident only in one thing about him: sniffing like a little boy at debates will progress to peeing in pants in Oval Office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 12:49:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 28, 2016, 12:40:09 AM

People such as Tom and Shakespeare... don't have any understanding of, or connection to ... a majority of Americans.

It would not hurt a majority of Americans to make some efforts to understand of and connect to people such as TomT and Shakespeare.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on September 28, 2016, 02:08:59 AM

Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 12:49:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 28, 2016, 12:40:09 AM
People such as Tom and Shakespeare... don't have any understanding of, or connection to ... a majority of Americans.

It would not hurt a majority of Americans to make some efforts to understand of and connect to people such as TomT and Shakespeare.

You're wrong, I'm afraid. The likes of them have no idea of the anti 'more of the same wave' uniting those who feel dispossessed and disenfranchised. This cuts across racial and class lines.
Trump is tapping into this well of collective disenchantment. His winning depends on how deep he has gone.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on September 28, 2016, 02:11:00 AM

Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 12:42:11 AM

Quote from: shakespear on September 27, 2016, 10:27:41 AM
Expect a different Trump in 10 days.

This is a scary truth.
Never know what to expect from him.
Do we really want an unpredictable President?
I am confident only in one thing about him: sniffing like a little boy at debates will progress to peeing in pants in Oval Office.

Are you a teenager?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 28, 2016, 02:11:50 AM

Quote from: TomT on September 27, 2016, 11:00:57 AM

It was reminiscent of my debates with Justin.

To paraphrase the vernacular of Justin; "That was a whoopin'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on September 28, 2016, 02:17:47 AM

Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 12:42:11 AM

Do we really want an unpredictable President?

One that will keep invading other countries, doing zero of any use at home while fuelling corruption and nepotism and almost certainly start a war with Russia? No you dont. Why Trump has support, because he isnt that bloke.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 28, 2016, 02:22:29 AM

Quite possibly Andrew has valid points. When I was in debate society/team we sometimes intentionally lost the first round. (It is called sand bagging) We would than in the second and third rounds even up and go ballistic in the final two rounds. It really depended if we had a strong position to argue from.

OK Trump has only three rounds but he might be stalking/sandbagging.

Here is the odd thing I have been able to ask some ten or so guys and two women who they thought did a better job in the debate. Eight are solidly Trump voters. Across a wide spectrum they all said Hillary won. No discussion or debate.

And they all said they would not change there choice for whom they vote.

NB: Curious Andrew did you UN debate or something more intellectual?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 02:35:25 AM

Quote from: Manny on September 28, 2016, 02:17:47 AM

Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 12:42:11 AM
Do we really want an unpredictable President?

....he isnt that bloke.

Does not sound convincing to me.
To my opinion he can start a war just out of blue or to make more money, which is more possible.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on September 28, 2016, 02:39:33 AM

Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 02:35:25 AM

Quote from: Manny on September 28, 2016, 02:17:47 AM
Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 12:42:11 AM
Do we really want an unpredictable President?

....he isnt that bloke.

Does not sound convincing to me.
To my opinion he can start a war just out of blue or to make more money, which is more possible.

Is this based on anything other than feelz?

You think Hillary won't start another war or six?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 02:51:25 AM

Quote from: Manny on September 28, 2016, 02:39:33 AM

Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 02:35:25 AM
Quote from: Manny on September 28, 2016, 02:17:47 AM
Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 12:42:11 AM
Do we really want an unpredictable President?

....he isnt that bloke.

Does not sound convincing to me.
To my opinion he can start a war just out of blue or to make more money, which is more possible.

Is this based on anything other than feelz?

You think Hillary won't start another war or six?

It's exactly what I wanted to say to you.
Stating "he isnt that bloke" is no more than feeling.
Hillary was in powerful position before to influence starting a war.
She did not. Her statements are always balanced.
Meanwhile, Trump threatened several times, including Russians.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on September 28, 2016, 02:59:05 AM

Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 02:51:25 AM

Hillary was in powerful position before to influence starting a war.
She did not.

You clearly missed her track record (http://usuncut.com/politics/hillary-clinton-foreign-policy-record/). (:)

Now go look up what Trump says about US involvements around the world. And the US relationship with Russia. That ain't feelz, that is his declared policy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 28, 2016, 04:29:39 AM

AvHdB, I was in a club debate team for years and at university took part in inter-university case competitions.

I am sure that Shakespear will during his training have been trained, to some degree, in debate and that informs my suggestion that he is choosing to miss a point. ;)

Based upon what I know I can not be certain that Trump was underprepared but it is reasonable to suppose that his skill level in negotiation would preclude entering such an arena without having prepared a strategy and being prepared to implement it. I doubt that he is sufficiently good an actor to be able to pretend to be impatient with Clinton - that was real and requires more training to overcome - as I noted he isn't another Putin; a man who has mastered the use of self control and body language to an impressive level.

Trump's goals were as I noted above and those goals were attained; even according to most of those pundits who claimed that Clinton 'won'.

Here's the thing, Clinton was at her best, reflecting her years of political experience and direct experience in these shows and allowing for her ill health. She will not improve, has nowhere to go. Trump, on the other hand, having already won the debate in terms of the audience that matters has room to grow. I expect that he will stop pulling punches.

Don't forget, this is a bloke who has made a career from out-negotiating sharp and dangerous shysters - does any objective viewer REALLY think that he would choose to underperform (as opposed to appearing to do so in the eyes of critics)? He simply isn't that stupid or lazy.

The fact that he was able to build up expectations and misdirect Clinton as he did shows that the preparation for the event was not what the naive onlooker thinks it was.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Bruce Lee on September 28, 2016, 08:42:55 AM

From a perspective of World peace they both scare the shit out of me :(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on September 28, 2016, 08:44:14 AM

Quote from: Bruce Lee on September 28, 2016, 08:42:55 AM

From a perspective of World peace they both scare the shit out of me :(

I dont see why. Trump has made no warmongering noises. Quite the reverse in fact.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Bruce Lee on September 28, 2016, 08:48:04 AM

Quote from: Manny on September 28, 2016, 08:44:14 AM

Quote from: Bruce Lee on September 28, 2016, 08:42:55 AM
From a perspective of World peace they both scare the shit out of me :(

I dont see why. Trump has made no warmongering noises. Quite the reverse in fact.

He's the lesser of the two I agree!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on September 28, 2016, 08:52:44 AM

I bet we would have a pretty lively post-Brexit trade deal with Trump as well, none of that "back of the queue" shite that Obumma was spouting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on September 28, 2016, 09:17:43 AM

Quote from: Manny on September 28, 2016, 08:52:44 AM

I bet we would have a pretty lively post-Brexit trade deal with Trump as well, none of that "back of the queue" shite that ~~Obumma~~ Obummer was spouting.

:saint:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 09:35:41 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on September 28, 2016, 09:17:43 AM

Quote from: Manny on September 28, 2016, 08:52:44 AM
I bet we would have a pretty lively post-Brexit trade deal with Trump as well, none of that "back of the queue" shite that ~~Obumma~~ Obummer was spouting.
:saint:

Don't fly too high...
It might be painful to fall.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 09:41:03 AM

Quote from: Manny on September 28, 2016, 02:59:05 AM

Now go look up what Trump says about US involvements around the world. And the US relationship with Russia. That ain't feelz, that is his declared policy.

It was enough for me to hear what he said when Russian jets flew too close to American warships.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 09:44:37 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 28, 2016, 04:29:39 AM

.... during his training have been trained....

You are right.
People dance during dancing, drive during driving, and are trained during training.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 09:46:35 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 28, 2016, 04:29:39 AM

He simply isn't that stupid or lazy.

He is spoiled and poor educated.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on September 28, 2016, 09:49:05 AM

Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 02:51:25 AM

Quote from: Manny on September 28, 2016, 02:39:33 AM
Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 02:35:25 AM
Quote from: Manny on September 28, 2016, 02:17:47 AM
Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 12:42:11 AM
Do we really want an unpredictable President?

....he isnt that bloke.

Does not sound convincing to me.
To my opinion he can start a war just out of blue or to make more money, which is more possible.

Is this based on anything other than feelz?

You think Hillary won't start another war or six?

It's exactly what I wanted to say to you.
Stating "he isnt that bloke" is no more than feeling.
Hillary was in powerful position before to influence starting a war.
She did not. Her statements are always balanced.
Meanwhile, Trump threatened several times, including Russians.

Not only did Hillary cause Libya to be destabilized and then had Gaddhafi (however spelled) killed, but she JOKED about it.

Is she a sociopath?

Let's say she is not but just being funny... that is still a question of leadership, to joke about killing a sovereign country's leader. What would other small countries threatened by the USA feel about her attitude?

Remember Victoria Nuland/Nudelman? The one that was stupid enough to use a non-secure phone and get recorded saying "F the EU" and discussing which Ukraine leader (remember, supposedly Ukrainians are to democratically elect their own leaders) she wanted to choose? Very close to Hillary, one of her close people while she was Secretary of State.

And we all know how fantastic Ukraine is doing these days, thanks to people like Nuland...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on September 28, 2016, 10:31:59 AM

Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 09:35:41 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on September 28, 2016, 09:17:43 AM
Quote from: Manny on September 28, 2016, 08:52:44 AM
I bet we would have a pretty lively post-Brexit trade deal with Trump as well, none of that "back of the queue" shite that ~~Obumma~~ Obummer was spouting.
:saint:

Don't fly too high...
It might be painful to fall.

I like a good fall. Very therapeutic if a bit masochistic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on September 28, 2016, 12:19:16 PM

Quote from: Slumba on September 28, 2016, 09:49:05 AM

Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 02:51:25 AM
Quote from: Manny on September 28, 2016, 02:39:33 AM
Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 02:35:25 AM
Quote from: Manny on September 28, 2016, 02:17:47 AM
Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 12:42:11 AM
Do we really want an unpredictable President?

....he isnt that bloke.

Does not sound convincing to me.
To my opinion he can start a war just out of blue or to make more money, which is more possible.

Is this based on anything other than feelz?

You think Hillary won't start another war or six?

It's exactly what I wanted to say to you.
Stating "he isnt that bloke" is no more than feeling.
Hillary was in powerful position before to influence starting a war.
She did not. Her statements are always balanced.
Meanwhile, Trump threatened several times, including Russians.

Not only did Hillary cause Libya to be destabilized and then had Gaddhafi (however spelled) killed, but she JOKED about it.

Is she a sociopath?

Let's say she is not but just being funny... that is still a question of leadership, to joke about killing a sovereign country's leader. What would other small countries threatened by the USA feel about her attitude?

Remember Victoria Nuland/Nudelman? The one that was stupid enough to use a non-secure phone and get recorded saying "F the EU" and discussing which Ukraine leader (remember, supposedly Ukrainians are to democratically elect their own leaders) she wanted to choose? Very close to Hillary, one of her close people while she was Secretary of State.

And we all know how fantastic Ukraine is doing these days, thanks to people like Nuland...

There are reports emerging that she again had her magic ear piece in position to garner assistance from her advisors during the debate..
There is also talk that she was sending previously agreed hand signals to the guy conducting the debate when she needed to get a change of subject..
Dunno if all of this is true, but would not put it past her to cheat...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 28, 2016, 12:56:13 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on September 28, 2016, 12:19:16 PM

There are reports emerging that she again had her magic ear piece in position to garner assistance from her advisors during the debate. There is also talk that she was sending previously agreed hand signals to the guy conducting the debate when she needed to get a change of subject. Dunno if all of this is true, but would not put it past her to cheat...

Lester Holt got the message from the liberal media. He saw the way they savaged Matt Lauer after his performance in the defense forum the week before. He knew he was expected to throw Hillary softballs and not ask about her emails and throw Trump inside fastballs about his tax returns and his comments on Howard Stern's radio show where he clearly indicated he was in favor military action in Iraq.

That's what passes as fair in the USA nowadays from the fourth estate. Instead of impartially monitoring the political process in order to ensure that political players don't abuse the democratic process, their new mission is now to shape public opinion to what is acceptable to the progressive movement.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 11:29:19 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on September 28, 2016, 10:31:59 AM

Quote from: Orchid on September 28, 2016, 09:35:41 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on September 28, 2016, 09:17:43 AM
Quote from: Manny on September 28, 2016, 08:52:44 AM
I bet we would have a pretty lively post-Brexit trade deal with Trump as well, none of that "back of the queue" shite that ~~Obumma~~ Obummer was spouting.
:saint:

Don't fly too high...
It might be painful to fall.
I like a good fall. Very therapeutic if a bit masochistic.

I am not sure about masochistic part of fall, but I like therapeutic one.
Very fresh idea!!! :thumbsup: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 29, 2016, 12:18:33 AM

An interesting analysis of the big game from Monday night. It covers the several levels of reality that are in play and provides, in that context, an explanation of how and why Trump performed as he did and the disconnect between the verdicts on the performances from paid media and the general public. http://katehon.com/article/trumps-victory-was-moral-and-strategic

The title rather gives away the game. ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 29, 2016, 01:37:03 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 29, 2016, 12:18:33 AM

An interesting analysis of the big game from Monday night. It covers the several levels of reality that are in play and provides, in that context, an explanation of how and why Trump performed as he did and the disconnect between the verdicts on the performances from paid media and the general public. http://katehon.com/article/trumps-victory-was-moral-and-strategic

The title rather gives away the game. ;)

Bear in mind the piece is written from a very specific viewpoint. Oddly enough the actual article points to a victory for Hilary in that she did not make any blunders. And she was so to speak on point.

But there is one passage that is worth noting "Both Trump and Clinton have strong anti numbers, meaning voters who really dislike them. But Trumps core of support figures are higher than Clinton's. Clinton's supporters, beyond her core, are just more afraid of Trump than they are of Clinton - and even according to polls, they also have issues with her honesty and transparency. They simply see Trump as the greater evil".

If and it is a big if Trump can address this weakness than I suspect he will win.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 29, 2016, 06:28:07 AM

Joaquin is actually pretty good at getting the hang of levels of reality, a theme I have banged on about before now; he teases out the main levels quite well. His analysis provides an explanation of why different stakeholders see different things from the same event. Of course, to blow my own trumpet, I pointed this stuff out whilst you lot were asleep during your Monday night/Tuesday morning, but he went to the trouble of writing lots more words. ;)

Whilst it is clear that he has a preference, in a negative sense, in the election, that does not make much difference to the points made. The points are valid whether one supports Clinton, Trump or neither.

In the 'debate' the other night, Trump was addressing the fear issue. Of course it was not done through words but through feelz and it was effective - hence the instapoll results.

Here's a thing we forget sometimes - these are not stupid people. Team Trump and Team Clinton are both membered by people who are enormously skilled and capable. In most cases what we see as a failing or error is often not that at all but has a purpose on a different level of reality than the one we are looking at.

Of course, I exclude random elements such as Clinton's failing health from that note, however the management of that issue is probably being handled about as well as it can be. Much as we might prefer it, openness and honesty on the health issue would be equivalent to a resignation from the election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 29, 2016, 09:52:51 PM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 29, 2016, 11:17:27 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 29, 2016, 09:52:51 PM

This seems like serious stuff. It is real and it is happening in The Land Of The Free.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on September 30, 2016, 02:02:13 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 29, 2016, 11:17:27 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 29, 2016, 09:52:51 PM

This seems like serious stuff. It is real and it is happening in The Land Of The Free.

Ding ding ding, don't you hate it when the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists are PROVEN to be right.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on September 30, 2016, 02:18:53 AM

Quote from: Markje on September 30, 2016, 02:02:13 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 29, 2016, 11:17:27 PM
Quote from: Confederate on September 29, 2016, 09:52:51 PM

This seems like serious stuff. It is real and it is happening in The Land Of The Free.

Ding ding ding, don't you hate it when the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists are PROVEN to be right.

Thereby proving that "Some" of what wizzie baby posts are actually seemingly being proven to be correct...

Tut Tut... :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on September 30, 2016, 02:24:36 AM

Quote from: Confederate on September 29, 2016, 09:52:51 PM

That is interesting. I just listened to his show on the subject:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on September 30, 2016, 02:37:21 AM

Quote from: Manny on September 30, 2016, 02:24:36 AM

Quote from: Confederate on September 29, 2016, 09:52:51 PM

That is interesting. I just listened to his show on the subject:

Certainly interesting...

But is it all true, or just an opinion..

Did the blanking of the broadcast actually happen??

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on September 30, 2016, 02:38:42 AM

The station hasn't denied it, and seems to have blocked comments on their FB page.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on September 30, 2016, 02:45:21 AM

Quote from: Manny on September 30, 2016, 02:38:42 AM

The station hasn't denied it, and seems to have blocked comments on their FB page.

So it may be true....?

If so, That's a very BAD sign of things to come....!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on September 30, 2016, 03:24:57 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on September 30, 2016, 02:45:21 AM

Quote from: Manny on September 30, 2016, 02:38:42 AM
The station hasn't denied it, and seems to have blocked comments on their FB page.

So it may be true....?

If so, That's a very BAD sign of things to come....!!

The blanking was definately true. And of course you can say it wasn't the government, it was the big networks.... but that statement has a very high "oh come on...." factor to it. It was the government pulling the strings.

I suspect that the fallout will be very good for team-trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on September 30, 2016, 05:28:43 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on September 30, 2016, 02:18:53 AM

Quote from: Markje on September 30, 2016, 02:02:13 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on September 29, 2016, 11:17:27 PM
Quote from: Confederate on September 29, 2016, 09:52:51 PM

This seems like serious stuff. It is real and it is happening in The Land Of The Free.

Ding ding ding, don't you hate it when the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists are PROVEN to be right.

Thereby proving that "Some" of what wizzie baby posts are actually seemingly being proven to be correct...

Tut Tut... :ROFL:

LAND OF FREE, Andrew, obviously you are joking........?

Everything that I post, Gipsy, about the US are "Conspiracy Theories" according to MOBY and a few others.

If our American friends sit back and start thinking, very soon will realise that the USA is not anymore the land of free, or the best Democracy that their Admin try to impose to many small countries, by destroying them and killing millions of innocent people, around the world. Americans after the 9/11 and the war of Terror, instigated by G.W.Bush, have lost all their freedoms, with all the laws imposed to them, by their Neoliberal Zionists and the large corporations and Banks.

If next November America's vote for President Hillary, which I predicted in one of my posts, then we are all royally :censored:

All their Media is controlled by 6 large corporations, who brainwash them daily!

(http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/U/USA/there%20are%201500%20news%20papers%20owned%20.....gif)

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 30, 2016, 06:37:47 AM

It is hard to imagine that one's live radio broadcast is not going out. There's studio equipment to monitor that stuff and, of course, any phone-in or audience interaction would show up the matter immediately. He wasn't make stuff up.

Wiz, whenever I refer to the Home of the Brave or Land of the Free it is always with ironic voice and tongue rammed firmly into cheek. I have not thought those words applied to the USA, wonderful as the place may be, for quite a long time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 30, 2016, 07:07:22 AM

Quote from: Confederate on September 29, 2016, 09:52:51 PM

Confederate, Welcome to RUA interesting post to start here with.

As for Michael Savage, he has been around for some 20+ years. I think I have listened to him off and on for over a decade. (But I prefer Bach and Monteverdi) He has made some astonishing claims such as; the Obama policy during the Elbola crisis in Africa would become the new plague of America, the break up Yugoslavia would result in World War III and the Euro is (was) a major threat to the American dollar. At times though he is both insightful and other times as wacky as Howard Stern.

I will guess he himself shut down his own broadcast, wanting to see how many on line viewers he could find. Radio stations today have a back up program ready to go the moment there is disruption in a feed. M. Savages comes from San Francisco. There is another ABC host with a smaller audience who is far more measured and sanguine. I want to say Dave Ramsey but it is some one else. Bear in mind many of the stations are affiliates in other words they buy the programing from ABC.

It should be noted the health issues regarding Hilary have been around for quite a while and before the 11th of September this year Wiz posted another YouTube video regarding this. And yes after the destruction of the World Trade Towers, Americans lost many personal freedoms via the 'Patriot Act'. I would blame politicians who saw a chance to gain allot of control, for what it is worth politicians are rarely good at anything but self preservation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 30, 2016, 07:22:58 AM

AvHdB, whatever makes you think that the guy shut down his own broadcast?

If that were the case do you not think that his contract would have been broken by that action and that he'd be under a barrage of lawsuits for having purposefully gone off air?

That's not happened.

Many years ago I learned to sanity check myself before making claims that might seem odd, outrageous or just downright unlikely. The Internet makes such a process fast and easy. You could try it for yourself. Google or Bing are both your friends here!

Try this: CLICK HERE! (http://bfy.tw/7xoI)

Lawsuits against Savage? Crickets...

If you want to learn more here's a useful piece about what has been going on recently in respect of folks who talk, in public, about Clinton's health: CLICK HERE! (http://www.returnofkings.com/97345/talk-radio-host-michael-savage-is-the-latest-casualty-of-leftist-censorship)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 30, 2016, 07:32:31 AM

Quote from: Manny on September 30, 2016, 02:24:36 AM

That is interesting. I just listened to his show on the subject:

Savage is considered a bit of a right-wing loose cannon by most conservatives.

I think if you check you'll find he's one of only 16 people who have been banned entry into Great Britain for hate speech.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 30, 2016, 07:36:14 AM

Quote from: shakespear on September 30, 2016, 07:32:31 AM

Quote from: Manny on September 30, 2016, 02:24:36 AM
That is interesting. I just listened to his show on the subject:

Savage is considered a bit of a right-wing loose cannon by most conservatives.

I think if you check you'll find he's one of only 16 people who have been banned entry into Great Britain for hate speech.

In short doses he is interesting to listen to. But I was trying to be polite. And yes Andrew it is entirely possible he sabotaged his own production.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 30, 2016, 08:04:49 AM

No, you miss the point AvHdB!

OK, lets make this easy for you.

Imagine that you have a business and that business has as its object selling paintings.

So, you have a client who wants to buy a particular painting from you and you take a deposit, set up a contract specifying the identity of the goods, the price and date of delivery - all normal enough stuff.

Now, you AvHdB, decide that you like the pretty picture and you want to hang it in your dining room so you trot off, take it from your gallery and place it in your dining room and, yes, it looks great there.

What do you think your client is going to do when he does not get the picture that you contracted to supply?

Well, unless he is stupid he is going to take you to court because you broke the contract you signed with him and he will sue you to get the picture.

Simple enough for you?

So, Savage, if he decides to break his contract by not supplying that which he was contracted to do would find himself being sued, just as you would be, for breach of contract.
The fact it hasn't happened tells us that he did not break his contract; did not stop providing that which he was contracted to provide.

Grey cells mate, its the little grey cells - you gottem, use 'em.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on September 30, 2016, 08:12:49 AM

Not only that, but the show that replaced mr. Graham was boasting that they 'coup'ed him.

Not very believable then that he bootted his own show if other people gloatted over the victory.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on September 30, 2016, 08:38:01 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 29, 2016, 06:28:07 AM

In the 'debate' the other night, Trump was addressing the fear issue. Of course it was not done through words but through feelz and it was effective - hence the instapoll results.

I can't imagine why you would mention instapolls when you should know that they are completely worthless.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on September 30, 2016, 10:27:04 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 30, 2016, 06:37:47 AM

Wiz, whenever I refer to the Home of the Brave or Land of the Free it is always with ironic voice and tongue rammed firmly into cheek. I have not thought those words applied to the USA, wonderful as the place may be, for quite a long time.

I was sarcastic too, and you must know by now my views.... about the democratic land of FREE.

My fauld as I forgot to put an emoticon.... here is one for you :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 30, 2016, 10:54:41 AM

Quote from: TomT on September 30, 2016, 08:38:01 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 29, 2016, 06:28:07 AM
In the 'debate' the other night, Trump was addressing the fear issue. Of course it was not done through words but through feelz and it was effective - hence the instapoll results.

I can't imagine why you would mention instapolls when you should know that they are completely worthless.

Context alters cases!

'Proper' opinion polls should be conducted according to strict rules. I think in the US the standards are set by the Market Research Association. In the UK it is the Market Research Society and British Polling Council. The rules are strict for all members of these organisations, but as we see there are always ways to get what one wants. The instapolls, with one exception, were not conducted according to such standards and the one that was was fudged; the pollsters actually fessed up to having purposefully biased it.

The instapolls though were simple temperature testing tools. They reflected nothing more than what people were thinking at the time. The fact that they were almost all telling the same story is the story here.

So, Tom, if you asked me whether the instapolls were statistically relevant, I'd have a problem because they almost certainly do not follow the standards set by professional polling bodies, but these were not opinion polls. These online tools are, these days, probably pretty well set up on the backend so they will show the recorded votes accurately and, usually, will not allow easy multiple votes. I'd not think of using them, if I were connected with the marketing research world, to show that Trump or Clinton was more likely to win the general election. On the other hand they can serve as a sanity check and pollsters look for sanity checks. I am sure that pollsters will have been looking closely at the numbers from audience reaction polls as well as running their own private counterparts for the same purpose.

But, if you want to know what the people responding to those instapolls thought about the debate, well, yes, the outcome is probably a pretty fair read of popular opinion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 30, 2016, 11:05:25 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 30, 2016, 08:04:49 AM

No, you miss the point AvHdB!

Grey cells mate, its the little grey cells - you gottem, use 'em.

Andrew do you have any grey cells or just you BS?

On the podcast of M. Savage, he admits technical issues and a 'mouse' caused the cascade of loss of transmission from his side.

We can add this to your list of fails. Before there was Charles Dickens and submarines.

EDIT: Did some checking etc. it seems M. ~~Savage~~ (Weiner) has at best a very colourful background and is a far more complex figure than I realized. I will not hold any of his qoutes against him, but some are outright ugly. I can still can listen to him, but he is not a honest player it seems.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 30, 2016, 11:08:09 AM

Quote from: Wiz on September 30, 2016, 10:27:04 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 30, 2016, 06:37:47 AM

Wiz, whenever I refer to the Home of the Brave or Land of the Free it is always with ironic voice and tongue rammed firmly into cheek. I have not thought those words applied to the USA, wonderful as the place may be, for quite a long time.

I was sarcastic too, and you must know by now my views.... about the democratic land of FREE.

My fauld t as I forgot to put an emoticon.... here is one for you :ROFL:

tiphat

You have a get out of jail free card!

I think you wanted to write (fault). So you know when the moderator Chris polishes our English he usually sends a bill.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on September 30, 2016, 11:16:16 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 30, 2016, 10:54:41 AM

But, if you want to know what the people responding to those instapolls thought about the debate, well, yes, the outcome is probably a pretty fair read of popular opinion.

I think that instapolls are a better measure of whose supporters are crazy enough to "vote" for their candidate hundreds of times, thinking that it will affect the outcome.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on September 30, 2016, 12:07:59 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 30, 2016, 11:08:09 AM

Quote from: Wiz on September 30, 2016, 10:27:04 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on September 30, 2016, 06:37:47 AM

Wiz, whenever I refer to the Home of the Brave or Land of the Free it is always with ironic voice and tongue rammed firmly into cheek. I have not thought those words applied to the USA, wonderful as the place may be, for quite a long time.

I was sarcastic too, and you must know by now my views.... about the democratic land of FREE.

My fauld t as I forgot to put an emoticon.... here is one for you :ROFL:

tiphat

You have a get out of jail free card!

I think you wanted to write (fault). So you know when the moderator Chris polishes our English he usually sends a bill.

When somebody, like you, has nothing interesting to say or doesn't have an answer and opposite view..... then looks for grammatical mistakes to make a comment!.

This is the internet Mr AV and not the "Bookers prize" for quality literary fiction written in English!

Do ask TomT..... he will translate it for you in the American slang version ..... so you can understand it! :P

BACK ON TOPIC.

I was watching Alex Jones Infowars and he was aghast of what happened...... Sure he knows one or two thing about broadcasting etc..... and if it was as you say, own sabotage by Savage... he would not have transmitted the interrupted program.

Maybe Andrew kindly will explain to you how syndication of such programs are made and personally I don't think Savage would make all those accusations live on air....as the NY station CNBC would take him to the cleaners.

Your favorite candidate "Hillary" in a video posted on the youtube, has been seen taken to a car, unable to stand up and behaving completely like a zombie......and that is what Savage was describing apart from all her other lies etc. :fighting0025:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on September 30, 2016, 03:10:51 PM

From what I know about radio, having done some 60-70 odd interviews over the years, from being on Aire with James Whale in the 80s, to having a pal who owns a radio station now (and had a local station doing an OB in our place today actually), and having done US radio that is widely syndicated (Kim Iverson) as well, it is highly improbable that Savage could have faked that.

A cursory fact checking click around of WABC in NY on social media etc., shows no mention at all of it and all comments are blocked on their FB. Were it a tech issue, they would have mentioned it. Were it a PR stunt (as with the James Whale "walk out" many years ago [Google it]) it would have been milked by WABC. Westwood One [affiliate network] did do some arse covering on Twitter, but the reasons given were not very credible.

The most likely scenario seems to be they had a call from high up that asked them to pull the show and blame a tech error if pressed, and in such circumstances they either have a generic prerec show ready to go, or as in this case, switched in another live show from the affiliate group to cover the gap.

My bet is the Savage guy was about to broadcast inconvenient content across a wide syndicated network, and he got silenced.

But it must be asked, aren't these stations in the US all privately owned networks? (Certainly the AM talk stations that the US has loads of) Not public service networks then. In that situation, however undemocratic some may feel it to be, if it's their station (and choice as to what is syndicated) and their money, the content output is their choice. If they like Hillary, why should they pay to give airtime to the anti-Hillary host? Their money; their choice.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 01, 2016, 12:55:39 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 30, 2016, 07:22:58 AM

AvHdB, whatever makes you think that the guy shut down his own broadcast?

He is back on air and on line. In his next broadcast the following day he admits himself that it was technical issues on his side that caused to show to cascade off line. A mouse he noted. A bit like the North American power grid.

Quote from: Manny on September 30, 2016, 03:10:51 PM

My bet is the Savage guy was about to broadcast inconvenient content across a wide syndicated network, and he got silenced.

If you want to believe that it was cyber attack from team Hillary or her cohorts go ahead, but the simpler and more obvious is just that.

Lets be clear the 20+ million listeners to M. Weiner (Michael Savage) as he himself is, are very pro Trump. Any announcement that he make would only help the cause of Trump and unlikely change anyones opinion. If this was a mainstream and unbiased news presenter I would give allot more credence to a conspiracy theory.

Oddly enough I recall him saying he is the son of immigrants from (Ukraine) Russia, I want to say Rivne~Rovno.

There is little doubt in my mind that there is mega dirty laundry in the closet of the Clinton’s that has been there for decades. And to remove any other doubt I am not at all an advocate or fan of Hilary. She has some serious health issues. I stated clearly who I preferred to run as President. Oddly enough I was not the only one to share this choice on RUA. In fact we were by far the majority.

Nor have I ever said anything derogatory about the people of Greece.

Some clowns should try to stay up to speed and stop lying. Otherwise stay in bed and ask that some one change your nappies, there smelly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 01, 2016, 02:03:46 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 01, 2016, 12:55:39 AM

Nor have I ever said anything derogatory about the people of Greece.

Some clowns should try to stay up to speed and stop lying. Otherwise stay in bed and ask that some one change your nappies, there smelly.

Finally I see that you made a reasonable post on this board and not your usual Trolling comments.

Keep it up old boy!

I suggest you read again you own post, where you were making silly comments about my typo mistake and that is why I start taking the piss!

I have no need to lie for anything, neither before got involved in the American election SAGA, but this episode was very obvious an attack to freedom of speech by the Hillary camp.

If he now changed his story line about the attack..... after all the comments that he spouted on the air, that is a different matter.

He was claiming that he has around 100 million listeners and he got the 1st price and some kind of award and was miles ahead of the others etc.

Do we know what actually went on behind the scenes?

Could it be that the large corporation threatened to sue and taking him to the cleaners and he realised that he could not factually prove his case? Everything is possible.

On the other hand now that you made your first tentative steps and posted something reasonable keep it up and you may be able soon to join the adults class.

For now, Don Quixote, you are the clown ... so keep you dirty nappies on..... we don't need the smell and your aroma in the adult class.

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 01, 2016, 02:37:32 AM

Hmmmm....I smell a split topic. Av and Wiz in Kinder class!!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 01, 2016, 02:40:22 AM

A mouse?
A mouse you say.

I bet that you believe that the moon is made of green cheese too.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 01, 2016, 09:49:44 AM

It will be a world disaster should Hillary be elected president. The reality of the terrible job she did as secretary of state, would be multiplied several times as president.

The List: 27 Countries Destroyed By Hillary Clinton's Neocon 'Hubris'

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/share-chart-countries-destroyed-hillary/ri16630

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 02, 2016, 01:12:21 PM

Clinton continues to accuse Russia of cyber hacks, yet no one has contacted the server involved to establish who exactly did it?

Russian server co. head on DNC hack: ‘No idea’ why FBI still has not contacted us

https://www.rt.com/news/361382-russia-servers-dnc-hack/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 03, 2016, 01:59:57 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 01, 2016, 02:37:32 AM

Hmmmm....I smell a split topic. Av and Wiz in Kinder class!!!

It already exists I think it is called Wiz bickering.

Quote from: andrewfi on October 01, 2016, 02:40:22 AM

I bet that you believe that the moon is made of green cheese too.

Damit I always thought it was Greek Feta.

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 01, 2016, 09:49:44 AM

It will be a world disaster should Hillary be elected president. The reality of the terrible job she did as secretary of state, would be multiplied several times as president.

The List: 27 Countries Destroyed By Hillary Clinton's Neocon 'Hubris'

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/share-chart-countries-destroyed-hillary/ri16630

Without doubt Hilary had few successes as Foreign Secretary of the United States but to blame for the 27 countries is over the top. Some of what happened was before her appointment. Some were train wrecks about to happen.

My own opinion if one looks at the source of the article one can see sometimes clearly that it is being written to promote to a particular viewpoint.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 03, 2016, 07:15:54 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 03, 2016, 01:59:57 AM

My own opinion

Oh Dear...... :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 03, 2016, 10:12:44 AM

AvHdB, if you have taken this long to understand that SOME articles have a viewpoint then you are many years behind the curve.

Almost ALL articles that one reads, all news items you see, have an editorial perspective. The task of the reader is to understand what that perspective is and consider whether it is supported by the factual information provided. That's because the entire purpose of most items that you read is to inform and persuade, they are selling you something - an idea, an opinion, a worldview.

For example, the article you referenced that Tom Cat had linked to was telling you that Clinton has a bad record in positions of authority and influence. It is hard to argue to the contrary. I would ask you to share with us which of the factual evidence provided was incorrect, it seemed pretty straight to me - nothing sprang out and said 'I am wrong' or 'I am a lie'. In helping us in this way I'd note that 'opinion' means nothing unless it is supported by fact.

If you disagree with the analysis of those facts then let's hear it, based upon the facts - of course the facts that inform an opinion can be sourced from other places than the immediate piece one is consuming - we call that 'context' and 'background' or 'general' knowledge.

But yes, which of the facts presented are incorrect, given that you are suggesting that the article is factually wrong - that's how grown ups have a discussion, how we learn. ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 03, 2016, 10:38:14 AM

Dunno much about this but what's this about the 'email server' and it being destroyed?

emails have a both a sender and a recipient, plus they are usually stored locally at both ends, on the email servers (more than one at each end if enterprise) and backup and archived off-site too, it's no possible to eradicate the whole lot.

What's the story, Morning Glory? Cliff notes please, can't be arsed googling!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 03, 2016, 10:47:00 AM

As it happens, in large part, it seems that it was exactly what you, Ste, said that enabled the email recovery, such as it was, to take place. Of course that's a big job.

The email server at Clinton's end appears to have been (purposefully) set up as a Mickey Mouse box. Single server sitting in somebody's office with no proper management, no backups, no security. The level of ability of the 'admin' was such that he turned up on Reddit asking for help with searching for and editing some information in the server's logs - the task was to change Clinton's name so that the sender or receiver of some emails would be hidden from view.

There's all sorts of stuff that beggars belief, if one assumes idiocy rather than intent, and if it was the result of intent should have resulted in years in prison for several people, including the prospective Leader of the Free World.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 03, 2016, 10:58:44 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 03, 2016, 10:38:14 AM

Dunno much about this but what's this about the 'email server' and it being destroyed?

emails have a both a sender and a recipient, plus they are usually stored locally at both ends, on the email servers (more than one at each end if enterprise) and backup and archived off-site too, it's no possible to eradicate the whole lot.

What's the story, Morning Glory? Cliff notes please, can't be arsed googling!

The US govt of course, has a big email system. To be Secretary of State, you would usually have name@state.gov or something similar.

All communications of the SecState are public records and are to be archived and saved.

Hillary never asked for a state.gov email address.

Instead she bought her own domain and server, and used it for her email.

She used this poorly-secured email server to receive and possibly send classified, including highly-classified, information - a big no-no and something that is against the law.

She did not put in place the legally required archiving of emails and did not deliver it to the US Govt for holding of public records.

She does have a corrupt FBI director , James Comey, who made public statements designed to get her off the hook. The problem is, both Hillary's and Comey's statements are contradicted by the law, and by the facts.

If she wins, she skates.

If she loses, she may face jail time.

Thus her desperation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 03, 2016, 12:00:19 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 03, 2016, 10:58:44 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 03, 2016, 10:38:14 AM
Dunno much about this but what's this about the 'email server' and it being destroyed?

emails have a both a sender and a recipient, plus they are usually stored locally at both ends, on the email servers (more than one at each end if enterprise) and backup and archived off-site too, it's no possible to eradicate the whole lot.

What's the story, Morning Glory? Cliff notes please, can't be arsed googling!

The US govt of course, has a big email system. To be Secretary of State, you would usually have name@state.gov or something similar.

All communications of the SecState are public records and are to be archived and saved.

Hillary never asked for a state.gov email address.

Instead she bought her own domain and server, and used it for her email.

She used this poorly-secured email server to receive and possibly send classified, including highly-classified, information - a big no-no and something that is against the law.

She did not put in place the legally required archiving of emails and did not deliver it to the US Govt for holding of public records.

She does have a corrupt FBI director , James Comey, who made public statements designed to get her off the hook. The problem is, both Hillary's and Comey's statements are contradicted by the law, and by the facts.

If she wins, she skates.

If she loses, she may face jail time.

Thus her desperation.

In UK for any sort of Gov job you have a gsi account, I had one when I was cleared, how is it possible in USA not to have to have to use a state.gov email?

Surely compliance is the cuprit here, along with Hilary too, but mainly US Gov?

If you are in a secure position in UK you can't even insert a USB stick to ur computer without a 'let' ie some sort of encrypted super permission, otherwise it won't let you. We had usb drives with a keypad on them so as not allow unauthenticated access. Wasn't even allowed to take it out of the building. And that was only Driver and vehicle records! (DVLA)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 03, 2016, 12:21:50 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 03, 2016, 12:00:19 PM

In UK for any sort of Gov job you have a gsi account, I had one when I was cleared, how is it possible in USA not to have to have to use a state.gov email?

Surely compliance is the cuprit here, along with Hilary too, but mainly US Gov?

If you are in a secure position in UK you can't even insert a USB stick to ur computer without a 'let' ie some sort of encrypted super permission, otherwise it won't let you. We had usb drives with a keypad on them so as not allow unauthenticated access. Wasn't even allowed to take it out of the building. And that was only Driver and vehicle records! (DVLA)

Ste you're smart enough to figure it out. She didn't want a .gov account because she wanted control the distribution of what she was saying; not have it as a matter of public record.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 03, 2016, 12:29:28 PM

I just saw that two of Clinton's accomplices, as well as having been given immunity from prosecution in the case had their laptops that had been taken by the FBI for forensic examination destroyed by the FBI after their interviews were complete.

This whole matter, if one ever thought that the USA was not corrupt from the top down, makes one understand just how corrupted the system now is. At the same time one understands that they get away with it because of the undereducated complacency of the populace.

Somebody turn off Lady Liberty's torch. Nobody needs that beacon any longer.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 03, 2016, 12:40:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 03, 2016, 12:21:50 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 03, 2016, 12:00:19 PM

In UK for any sort of Gov job you have a gsi account, I had one when I was cleared, how is it possible in USA not to have to have to use a state.gov email?

Surely compliance is the cuprit here, along with Hilary too, but mainly US Gov?

If you are in a secure position in UK you can't even insert a USB stick to ur computer without a 'let' ie some sort of encrypted super permission, otherwise it won't let you. We had usb drives with a keypad on them so as not allow unauthenticated access. Wasn't even allowed to take it out of the building. And that was only Driver and vehicle records! (DVLA)

Ste you're smart enough to figure it out. She didn't want a .gov account because she wanted control the distribution of what she was saying; not have it as a matter of public record.

Well it's not smart it's just there's no choice!

Locked down and to be honest I'd have thought UK would be behind US on gov security...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 03, 2016, 12:48:41 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 03, 2016, 12:40:43 PM

Well it's not smart it's just there's no choice!

Locked down and to be honest I'd have thought UK would be behind US on gov security...

Did she break federal law. Without question.

But what can you do if a Democratic controlled Justice Department refuses to investigate and prosecute?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 03, 2016, 02:33:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 03, 2016, 12:48:41 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 03, 2016, 12:40:43 PM

Well it's not smart it's just there's no choice!

Locked down and to be honest I'd have thought UK would be behind US on gov security...

Did she break federal law. Without question.

But what can you do if a Democratic controlled Justice Department refuses to investigate and prosecute?

Im with ste on this one. There are multitudes of compliancy rules. It should not even be possible to run your own email server. The policy makers that allowed it also dropped the ball.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 03, 2016, 02:50:32 PM

As we are now seeing, whilst it would seem to be true that Clinton was the most egregious case of mishandling and distribution of state messages and secrets and the worst known case of abandonment of rules and procedures designed to keep Americans safe she was not the only guilty party. She stood upon the shoulders of others. It now seems likely that the president knew of her infractions and even participated in these practices.

She was allowed to do this stuff because it suited others that she should and because the people with responsibility for oversight were nominally her inferiors and could be bullied or suborned into acquiescence.

There was nobody with will, or power, to stop her.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 03, 2016, 03:31:44 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 03, 2016, 02:33:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 03, 2016, 12:48:41 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 03, 2016, 12:40:43 PM

Well it's not smart it's just there's no choice!

Locked down and to be honest I'd have thought UK would be behind US on gov security...

Did she break federal law. Without question.

But what can you do if a Democratic controlled Justice Department refuses to investigate and prosecute?

Im with ste on this one. There are multitudes of compliancy rules. It should not even be possible to run your own email server. The policy makers that allowed it also dropped the ball.

She bought her own domain and set up her own server! She just went ahead and did it, laws be damned.

Why?

Well as we are seeing, her advisor Sidney Blumenthal had access to "GAMMA" class top-secret info, despite not even having a security clearance; then he would type up a summary and his thoughts, and send along the details via insecure email. Without the hacking of the server no one would even know about this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 03, 2016, 08:44:10 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 03, 2016, 02:50:32 PM

As we are now seeing, whilst it would seem to be true that Clinton was the most egregious case of mishandling and distribution of state messages and secrets and the worst known case of abandonment of rules and procedures designed to keep Americans safe she was not the only guilty party. She stood upon the shoulders of others. It now seems likely that the president knew of her infractions and even participated in these practices.

She was allowed to do this stuff because it suited others that she should and because the people with responsibility for oversight were nominally her inferiors and could be bullied or suborned into acquiescence.

There was nobody with will, or power, to stop her.

While I might word the above differently, Andrew is spot on.

But the bigger issue this has been her MO for decades. I doubt anything will change if she becomes president.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 03, 2016, 09:45:42 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 03, 2016, 10:12:44 AM

Almost ALL articles that one reads, all news items you see, have an editorial perspective. The task of the reader is to understand what that perspective is and consider whether it is supported by the factual information provided. That's because the entire purpose of most items that you read is to inform and persuade, they are selling you something - an idea, an opinion, a worldview.

For example, the article you referenced that Tom Cat had linked to was telling you that Clinton has a bad record in positions of authority and influence. It is hard to argue to the contrary. I would ask you to share with us which of the factual evidence provided was incorrect, it seemed pretty straight to me - nothing sprang out and said 'I am wrong' or 'I am a lie'. In helping us in this way I'd note that 'opinion' means nothing unless it is supported by fact.

If you disagree with the analysis of those facts then let's hear it, based upon the facts - of course the facts that inform an opinion can be sourced from other places than the immediate piece one is consuming - we call that 'context' and 'background' or 'general' knowledge.

But yes, which of the facts presented are incorrect, given that you are suggesting that the article is factually wrong - that's how grown ups have a discussion, how we learn.

There is no doubt that Hillary Clinton has a poor record as Secretary of State. The list of 27 nations that her touch were an unmitigated disaster is at best bull shit.

For the record Hillary started to work as together with C. Rice, shortly after the election of B. Obama and stepped down February 1st of 2013.

ABKHAZI: Only four countries have recognized Abkhazi as a nation to date. Vanuatu and Tuvalu withdrew the recognition of Abkhazi after H. Clinton left office. It is believed because of continued efforts of ethnic cleansing of Georgians who have resided in the regions for generations.

ARGENTINA: Argentina crippled its own economy before the Kirchners and largely through his actions with support of Western lenders who accepted a large discount of the debt was able to rebuild the economy. A change in political feelings and the decline in the world economy led to a change of power that Hillary had nothing to do with.

BOLIVIA: Sort of doubt the report, but I do not understand the fabric of the country.

BRAZIL: Not entirely sure what Russian Insider is going on but D. Rouseff has only just been impeached and was elected in 2010. She was it should be noted impeached by the Brazil senate by an overwhelming majority for corruption. The corruption charges predate by a decade Clinton being Secretary of State.

So you see Andrew with only 3 countries viewed that 10% of the news report is most likely incorrect. When I have enthusiasm I will look at more countries. But Germany, Greece and Kosovo are wrong as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 04, 2016, 01:45:40 AM

Quote from: Slumba on October 03, 2016, 03:31:44 PM

She bought her own domain and set up her own server! She just went ahead and did it, laws be damned.

And here I thought we abolished the notion of nobles who are above the law.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 04, 2016, 02:57:03 AM

Avhdb, wonder of wonders, time did not start on a particular date and history is ongoing.

That stuff happened before Clinton was Secretary of State is a surprise to, well, nobody except you, it seems.

So, to clarify. You are telling us that, for example the actions of Tuvalu and Vanuatu had nothing to do with Clinton and her role in the State Department? Likewise, there was no pressure from the State Department upon Spain, India and Germany? The denial of access of delegates to the UN was spontaneous with no authority from the relevant department of state?

Are your sources and research better than those of, in this context, Infowars?

To help you with the concept of time, it is worth noting that the article makes reference to Clinton herself and the influence of her policies while at the Department of State. Thus, quite clearly, stuff that happened after she left would still be attributable to her via her policy choices and implementations which hang around for a long time after the departure of the initiating principal.

What you have given as facts are unsupported assertions leading to a fantasy based analysis and opinion.

Try again, and this time, lead with some facts. Unsupported assertion does not equal fact. An opinion based upon unsupported assertions is worthless.

Look, you are no worse in this regard than most people. Most people, like you it seems, have no idea about how to think. To folks who can think the output of a mind flawed in this way is similar to that of a drunkard's. Maybe that's confusing for myself and others, we can't tell the difference, absent physical indicators.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 04, 2016, 03:12:21 AM

Clinton on Assange: Can't we just drone this guy.

Sure, murder anyone who causes your lies and deceits to become public knowledge.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 04, 2016, 03:38:19 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 04, 2016, 02:57:03 AM

Avhdb, wonder of wonders, time did not start on a particular date and history is ongoing.

That stuff happened before Clinton was Secretary of State is a surprise to, well, nobody except you, it seems.

So, to clarify. You are telling us that, for example the actions of Tuvalu and Vanuatu had nothing to do with Clinton and her role in the State Department? Likewise, there was no pressure from the State Department upon Spain, India and Germany? The denial of access of delegates to the UN was spontaneous with no authority from the relevant department of state?

Are your sources and research better than those of, in this context, Infowars?

To help you with the concept of time, it is worth noting that the article makes reference to Clinton herself and the influence of her policies while at the Department of State. Thus, quite clearly, stuff that happened after she left would still be attributable to her via her policy choices and implementations which hang around for a long time after the departure of the initiating principal.

What you have given as facts are unsupported assertions leading to a fantasy based analysis and opinion.

Try again, and this time, lead with some facts. Unsupported assertion does not equal fact. An opinion based upon unsupported assertions is worthless.

Look, you are no worse in this regard than most people. Most people, like you it seems, have no idea about how to think. To folks who can think the output of a mind flawed in this way is similar to that of a drunkard's. Maybe that's confusing for myself and others, we can't tell the difference, absent physical indicators.

Is that another way of saying "Nothing between the ears" ? tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 04, 2016, 05:48:47 AM

No, I am sure that he has a brain, just that he does not know how to use it effectively.

That's why I had been thinking that he was pissed posting. I mean, maybe he does do pissed posting as well. But posting without thought does look IMHO very similar to posting without thought.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 05, 2016, 06:45:13 AM

Well Pence CLEARLY won the VP Debate last night proving my point that qualified Republicans would easily beat Democrats in this election cycle if the voters had hadn't lost their minds and nominated an unqualified candidate like Donald Trump.

The scoreboard now stands at 1 -1 with the next debate being HUGE!

Which Trump will be see? The scripted, stay-on-message, rational and Presidential Trump we saw in the weeks before the first debate OR the irrational know-it-all, obnoxious, shoot-from-the-hip, cavalier nonsensical rambling Trump we saw in the first debate?

I'm guessing his people are doing everything possible to insure the former shows up; but knowing Trump, I'm sure the later will be in control.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 05, 2016, 06:57:31 AM

The chances that you 'know' Trump are visibly tiny.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 05, 2016, 07:05:14 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 05, 2016, 06:57:31 AM

The chances that you 'know' Trump are visibly tiny.

Actually Andrewfifi, I have met the man at a golf tournament back in the 1980's. But I think it was quite clear that by using the word "knowing" I was referring to his history of outrageous public behavior.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 05, 2016, 07:08:19 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 05, 2016, 07:05:14 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 05, 2016, 06:57:31 AM
The chances that you 'know' Trump are visibly tiny.

Actually Andrewfifi, I have met the man at a golf tournament back in the 1980's. But I think it was quite clear that by using the word "knowing" I was referring to his history of outrageous public behavior.

I met Jimmy Savile in 1984 but I'd no idea he was a paedo....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 05, 2016, 07:34:08 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 04, 2016, 05:48:47 AM

No, I am sure that he has a brain, just that he does not know how to use it effectively.

Andrew, yes I have a brain as opposed to some present who seem to have come from the Wizard of Oz.

There is an expression “There are none so blind as those that will not see.” It sums up the naive thinking that all that Russian Insider publishes is the truth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 05, 2016, 07:39:22 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 05, 2016, 07:08:19 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 05, 2016, 07:05:14 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on October 05, 2016, 06:57:31 AM
The chances that you 'know' Trump are visibly tiny.

Actually Andrewfifi, I have met the man at a golf tournament back in the 1980's. But I think it was quite clear that by using the word "knowing" I was referring to his history of outrageous public behavior.

I met Jimmy Savile in 1984 but I'd no idea he was a paedo....

:chuckle:

Glad I do not play golf.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 05, 2016, 09:00:52 AM

I can not speak for anyone but myself, but I do not rely upon a single source for information on anything. Indeed, I have, before now, published a brief guide to help those who, like you, have issues with objective information consumption in which I made the point about a variety of sources.

That noted, Russia Insider (not Russian Insider as you misread) is an aggregator of content from both Russian language and English language sources of all kinds and with heterogenous perspectives. As you missed that basic observation it would seem that your reading comprehension abilities are of a somewhat lower standard than you probably think.

So, yes, as you have demonstrated twice in the space of just 29 words, you do not know how to use your brain effectively.
Just the facts sir, just the facts! tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 05, 2016, 09:08:56 AM

Yes, I would hesitate to describe seeing a bloke on a golf course as knowing them as well. Well done there, your restraint is admirable! :8)

What outrageous public behaviour qualifies you as being an acquaintance of the fellow though? That interests me.
What I think you were perhaps struggling toward sharing was that, in your opinion, his debate performance (which was not outrageous in any sense that a person with a more than passing ability in English language comprehension would recognise) was not as you would have liked to have seen it.

My comment about your lack of knowledge was because it is my belief that he was following a strategy that will roll out over the coming weeks. Of course, when he performs in a manner more closely approximating your expectations you will likely suggest that he has learned from his 'errors' rather than recognising that what you are seeing is a process designed and being implemented. You will likely be saying similar negative things as he is being sworn in as president next year.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 05, 2016, 09:12:22 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 05, 2016, 09:00:52 AM

I can not speak for anyone but myself, but I do not rely upon a single source for information on anything. Indeed, I have, before now, published a brief guide to help those who, like you, have issues with objective information consumption in which I made the point about a variety of sources.

That noted, Russia Insider (not Russian Insider as you misread) is an aggregator of content from both Russian language and English language sources of all kinds and with heterogenous perspectives. As you missed that basic observation it would seem that your reading comprehension abilities are of a somewhat lower standard than you probably think.

So, yes, as you have demonstrated twice in the space of just 29 words, you do not know how to use your brain effectively.
Just the facts sir, just the facts! tiphat

The facts Andrew the Tin Man are black and white. Trying to move the responsibility of RI for the lack of fact checking as an aggregator is more of your lame deflection.

But Andrew please keep on factfarting, it is the internet and we do not smell them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 05, 2016, 10:25:40 AM

All of the data in the RCP average was taken after the 26 September debate. There is little doubt who the beneficiaries were.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 05, 2016, 02:32:56 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 05, 2016, 09:08:56 AM

Yes, I would hesitate to describe seeing a bloke on a golf course as knowing them as well. Well done there, your restraint is admirable! :8)

{sigh}

I was introduced to him, shook his hand and we exchanged small talk for several minutes about golf courses we have both played.

And why do people think that Trump will be a good President because he will surround himself with smart and experienced people. Hasn't he already done that in his campaign and he doesn't follow the wise advice they are giving him. What makes anyone think he will change?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 05, 2016, 02:45:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 05, 2016, 02:32:56 PM

And why do people think that Trump will be a good President because he will surround himself with smart and experienced people. Hasn't he already done that in his campaign and he doesn't follow the wise advice they are giving him. What makes anyone think he will change?

People don't , people are fed up with the 'usual establishment' and people think he will be less bad than Hillary, those 2 qualities alone will make up for 99% of his voter-base.

After all the blatant law-breaking, untrustworthy events and scandals, I can't fathom why people still aren't out for her blood. Are the rich and powerful so powerful now, that the public doesn't think it can change? Why the hell do you have all those guns then, if not to protect yourself and also to make the government do whats right!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 05, 2016, 08:05:09 PM

Something that seems obvious:

Hillary as president: she is already corrupt and the press will cover for her, allowing even greater corruption.

Trump as president: the media ***HATES*** him and they will watch everything he does like a hawk. Chance of him getting away with corruption is thus a lot less.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 05, 2016, 09:38:11 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 05, 2016, 08:05:09 PM

Something that seems obvious:

Trump will lose. The open question is whether it will be a landslide or not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on October 06, 2016, 05:31:37 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 05, 2016, 02:32:56 PM

And why do people think that Trump will be a good President because he will surround himself with smart and experienced people. Hasn't he already done that in his campaign and he doesn't follow the wise advice they are giving him. What makes anyone think he will change?

This sound like Obama's middle east plan. Now lets see what we have with Hillary. She wants to start wars with Russia and cancel military projects. Trumps want to make peace with Russia and increase military projects. Which plan give us the most options in the future? Hillary uses Iran as example of her work and showing how successful she will be in the future. We surely do not need many more successes like that one. I wonder what a failure would look like?

It looks like Hillary has got it in the bag as far as getting elected. If Trump would every learn to stop talking about fat women it would sure help his cause. Rosie O'Donald and a over weight miss universe are subjects the people of the USA do not want to hear about from their president. The other personal arguments having nothing to do with the national interest are all chipping away with at any chance he might of had. Now Hillary is offering free college to everyone in the USA who earns less than 125,000 dollars per year to try to buy younger votes. Sadly if everything else fails bribe people to vote for you. She very is doing that on many levels. Sadly many people of the USA are more concern about themselves than they are the country as a whole.

Will Trump be a good president? Probably not, just a lot better than what we are going to get.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 06, 2016, 07:49:19 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on October 06, 2016, 05:31:37 AM

Now Hillary is offering free college to everyone in the USA who earns less than 125,000 dollars per year to try to buy younger votes.

Investing in education is one of best investments that we could make.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 06, 2016, 08:29:48 PM

This article caught my attention, only because a contributing journalist David Seaman had his articles deleted from the Huffington post because he questioned Hillary's health. Clearly censorship might be a factor in the significant drop in concern about Clinton's health.

Concerns About Hillary Clinton’s Health Drop Significantly

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57f67044e4b0c1a524cbb3fa

DAVID SEAMAN video from sept, after the Huffington post pulled his articles.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 07, 2016, 01:41:41 AM

AvHdB. I am sorry that I can not tke responsibility for your lack of knowledge, that you were not smart enough to realise that Russia Insider is an aggregator of other's content. That you could not even get the name right.

Look, there's no need for you to keep on doing this. All you need to do is check yourself before making yourself appear a twat. There's nobody else can do this for you. All that anyone can do is call attention to your laziness (let us call it laziness rather than drunkenness shall we?) when it gets in the way of discussion.

You are not stupid yet you make yourself appear that way by posting fantasy based posts as though they were fact. Worse yet, you criticise others who choose to not rely upon your fantasies.
MY guess is that you have a certain way that means that in your social life you get away with your bullshit. Your peers probably know what you are but are polite enough to not let you know about it because you are a pleasant sort of a duffer who buys a round or two.

Online though, all we have are our words, there's nothing else. If our words are empty, meaningless, then all we can know of the writer is that he is similarly empty and meaningless.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 08, 2016, 07:56:51 AM

Where are the Trump apologists? Surely, you can't all be living in caves and missed the news.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 08, 2016, 08:20:24 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 08, 2016, 07:56:51 AM

Where are the Trump apologists? Surely, you can't all be living in caves and missed the news.

Apologists for some words uttered a decade or more ago which conveniently make the news now? Methinks that woman is running scared.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 08, 2016, 08:35:57 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 08, 2016, 07:56:51 AM

Where are the Trump apologists? Surely, you can't all be living in caves and missed the news.

I think they're finally realizing that what I was saying all along will come true in November. Millions of up-to-now silent Trump supporters are NOT going to show up on election day and carry the election for Trump. The cavalry will not arrive in time to save the fort from the Indians. Every undecided women voter just made their decision today after reading the news headlines.

Barring a boner of epic proportions by Hillary in the debate Sunday night, Trump has ZERO chance of beating Hillary Clinton. The "Trumpsters" in their ignorance and stupidity made it possible for the Republicans to nominate THE ONLY person a weak candidate like Hillary Clinton could actually beat.

Because of them, our country will now be saddled with hundreds of progressive liberal judges at all levels of federal courts. Because of them the Obama promise to "fundamentally change" America will come true. At best it will take 25-40 years for the Republican Party and conservative movement to undo the damage that these nitwits have done in one election cycle.

On Friday January 20, 2017 when Hillary Clinton takes the oath of office and becomes the next President of the United States, all you Trumpster's like Cuffy and Slumba can proudly look in the mirror and say "My political naiveté and general stupidity caused this to happen".

Be proud my friends. You were used like a dishrag by the Progressive movement. Wear the badge proudly. You earned it.

Oh, and don't forget to get out your checkbooks. I'll at least start the Clinton Administration with a bit more cash.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 08, 2016, 10:50:12 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 08, 2016, 08:20:24 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 08, 2016, 07:56:51 AM
Where are the Trump apologists? Surely, you can't all be living in caves and missed the news.
Apologists for some words uttered a decade or more ago which conveniently make the news now? Methinks that woman is running scared.

Your attitude toward women is showing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 08, 2016, 11:13:35 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 08, 2016, 08:20:24 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 08, 2016, 07:56:51 AM
Where are the Trump apologists? Surely, you can't all be living in caves and missed the news.
Apologists for some words uttered a decade or more ago which conveniently make the news now? Methinks that woman is running scared.

It is not a coincidence that it came out at precisely the moment the Wikileaks dump of John Podesta's emails were released.

There is plenty of "meat" in his emails although it will take time to sort through them.

Already found in his emails are excerpts from Hillary's private speeches, the ones that she was paid ridiculously high sums for and refused to make public.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 08, 2016, 11:52:10 AM

For the good of the United States, Trump should immediately step aside and the RNC should replace him with Pence.

Regrettably he's to much of a egotist to realize this fact and take corrective action.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 08, 2016, 12:09:49 PM

Billy Bush is after all related to Jeb and the rest of the Bush clan. Wonder if this was just a case of sour grapes? After all Jeb was humiliated by Trump, so it's possible he was giving a bit of payback.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 08, 2016, 12:32:44 PM

This is just another bunch of silliness.

I am certain that most men here have said similar things in the past and, while none of 'em are up for the job of president of the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave, I am sure that none of those guys think they should not be doing the job they do, living the lives they live.

The timing was not, I am sure, an accident. The source was not random

There's three things to note here:
1) This incident says nothing whatsoever about the eligibility of any person to be a candidate for the post of president of the USA. It says nothing about abilities or aptitude.
2) Nobody's choice about voting will be changed by this incident. Those who think Trump is a viable choice for president, or simply less evil than Clinton will continue to think so. Anyone who thinks Trump is a misogynist, racist or whatever other pre-prepared, unthought out, label they are happy to apply on behalf of Team Clinton will continue to unthink in the same manner as 3 days ago.
3) After this Team Trump understands that there are no rules as far as Team Clinton is concerned and will respond appropriately but, probably, asymmetrically. That will almost certainly work out less well from Clinton than for Trump.

Bottom line, the world is being shown just what the United States is these days. For those who wish to see what happens next might I commend you to follow THIS LINK (https://www.amazon.com/History-Decline-Roman-Empire-Volumes-ebook/dp/B00HIM09MM/ref=mt_kindle?_encoding=UTF8&me=) spend $1.99 on Gibbon's History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

You lot are a shambles and should be ashamed of yourselves, all of you, every last man-jack of you. Pull yourselves together and start making America great again - if it isn't too late!

Here, in a nutshell is what Gibbon's research told him about what happened to the Roman Empire. My guess is that many USAians might recognise the ideas these words represent. Over here in civilisation this is what we see over there:

Quote

According to Gibbon, the Roman Empire succumbed to barbarian invasions in large part due to the gradual loss of civic virtue among its citizens. They had become weak, outsourcing their duties to defend their Empire to barbarian mercenaries, who then became so numerous and ingrained that they were able to take over the Empire. Romans, he believed, had become effeminate, unwilling to live a tougher, "manly" military lifestyle. In addition, Gibbon argued that Christianity created a belief that a better life existed after death, which fostered an indifference to the present among Roman citizens, thus sapping their desire to sacrifice for the Empire. He also believed its comparative pacifism tended to hamper the traditional Roman martial spirit.

Publisher notes from Amazon. (https://www.amazon.com/History-Decline-Roman-Empire-Volumes-ebook/dp/B00HIM09MM/ref=mt_kindle?_encoding=UTF8&me=)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 08, 2016, 12:33:18 PM

The video is on first view fugly - on second view well OMG did he really say that.

At the time of the video Trump was a Democrat and critic of the younger Bush.

What I find odd is the timing of the release of the video. If it was team Hillary I would think this would come several days before the election or at least after the next debate as a Trump presidency killer. In fact Donald can perhaps bounce back.

Though my guess many will find the video troubling at the least.

I keep coming back to my pondering earlier how many millions of American's and these two are the best we can come up with?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 08, 2016, 01:48:07 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 08, 2016, 07:56:51 AM

Where are the Trump apologists? Surely, you can't all be living in caves and missed the news.

Well, apparently nobody wants to link to it.. what happened?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 08, 2016, 01:52:39 PM

Quote from: Capt. John Sheridan

I'll tell you one thing. If the primates that we came from had known that someday politicians would come out of the gene pool, they'd have stayed up in the trees and written evolution off as a bad idea! Hell, I always thought the opposable thumb was... overrated!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 08, 2016, 02:41:29 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 08, 2016, 01:48:07 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 08, 2016, 07:56:51 AM
Where are the Trump apologists? Surely, you can't all be living in caves and missed the news.

Well, apparently nobody wants to link to it.. what happened?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 08, 2016, 02:54:27 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 08, 2016, 02:41:29 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 08, 2016, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: TomT on October 08, 2016, 07:56:51 AM
Where are the Trump apologists? Surely, you can't all be living in caves and missed the news.

Well, apparently nobody wants to link to it.. what happened?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html

Man, this whole presidential election this time is an even bigger soap-opera than other times.

In corner A) you have the deceitful weak-of-health woman who's only good point is that she's a woman.
In corner B) we have the buffoon who is aroused by sexual assault and highly incompetent at being politically correct.

Both candidates have broken the law on a federal level, both candidates lie so easily they don't notice even and both candidates seem immune to repercussions of said broken laws.

And who says the kaste-system is dead in western europe / america.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 08, 2016, 03:08:09 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 08, 2016, 10:50:12 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 08, 2016, 08:20:24 AM
Quote from: TomT on October 08, 2016, 07:56:51 AM
Where are the Trump apologists? Surely, you can't all be living in caves and missed the news.
Apologists for some words uttered a decade or more ago which conveniently make the news now? Methinks that woman is running scared.

Your attitude toward women is showing.

I'll be sure to let her indoors know. :-\

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on October 08, 2016, 05:09:19 PM

These Trump videos are having an large effect in the USA. Right now, I understand that Trumps own wife is having second thoughts about voting for him. He had been having trouble with women all along so if there was any who have not made up their mind you they are probably not voting for Trump. His campaign was in free fall since the first debate and this is not turning it around. Mike Pence stop campaigning and I am not sure what all of this means yet. He might even want off the ticket. Some members of the GOP are talking to him about running in place of Trump. It will likely be early next week before we know the damage.

The bad news about Hillary had gotten lost in the noise. It appears Hillary has given private speeches where she was to for the AU. The American Union where we would have open boarders and free trade with our neighbors. Well it is working so well in Europe maybe we should try it too.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 08, 2016, 05:37:47 PM

Nail, coffin come to mind. Trump will never be able to sway the women's vote, and most likely will lose his core support of conservative Christians.

More Trump tapes surface with crude sex remarks

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/more-trump-tapes-surface-with-crude-sex-remarks/2016/10/08/7129cea2-8d92-11e6-bff0-d53f592f176e_story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on October 08, 2016, 06:54:09 PM

I cannot believe that most of you have not also had conversations similar to Trump when you were young? Ever hear the expression "talking like a sailor"?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 08, 2016, 07:28:06 PM

Quote from: yankee on October 08, 2016, 06:54:09 PM

I cannot believe that most of you have not also had conversations similar to Trump when you were young? Ever hear the expression "talking like a sailor"?

The problem is Trump is 70 years old, events taking place 10 or 20 years ago still put him at an age he should have been a bit more reserved.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 08, 2016, 07:51:57 PM

Quote from: yankee on October 08, 2016, 06:54:09 PM

I cannot believe that most of you have not also had conversations similar to Trump when you were young? Ever hear the expression "talking like a sailor"?

But "most of us aren't running to be President of the United States.

Game, set match. Might as well inaugurate Hillary Sunday night instead of having the debate.

Thanks Trumpsters

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 08, 2016, 08:07:23 PM

Quote from: yankee on October 08, 2016, 06:54:09 PM

I cannot believe that most of you have not also had conversations similar to Trump when you were young? Ever hear the expression "talking like a sailor"?

Ever hear the expression thinking like a captain?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 08, 2016, 11:54:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 08, 2016, 07:51:57 PM

Quote from: yankee on October 08, 2016, 06:54:09 PM
I cannot believe that most of you have not also had conversations similar to Trump when you were young? Ever hear the expression "talking like a sailor"?

But "most of us aren't running to be President of the United States.

Nor was he when he made the comments.

Storm in a teacup. I bet anyone here has had similar banter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 09, 2016, 12:10:57 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 08, 2016, 11:54:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 08, 2016, 07:51:57 PM
Quote from: yankee on October 08, 2016, 06:54:09 PM
I cannot believe that most of you have not also had conversations similar to Trump when you were young? Ever hear the expression "talking like a sailor"?

But "most of us aren't running to be President of the United States.

Nor was he when he made the comments.

Storm in a teacup. I bet anyone here has had similar banter.

Its only dirt digging time..

Anything that will turn the voters against Trump....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 09, 2016, 02:07:48 AM

Careful what you say chaps or you'll be outed for your 'atitude' towards women by the self appointed moral police. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 09, 2016, 08:35:48 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 08, 2016, 11:54:08 PM

I bet anyone here has had similar banter.

That's not surprising. This poll indicates that the MOBer demographic and the Trump demographic are virtually the same.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Boris on October 09, 2016, 08:59:36 AM

It is a big deal here. Perfectly timed release so the Republicans can't replace him on the ballot. Somebody knew exactly what they were doing. All of the indignation professionals are out in full force. Like I said before Hillary is going to have to chuck an exploding email server into a crowd of minority children to lose the election.

Bill Burr on professional indignation. Gets me every time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 09, 2016, 11:03:39 AM

Farage pipes up with his usual shite...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37601422

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 09, 2016, 11:14:58 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 09, 2016, 11:03:39 AM

Farage pipes up with his usual shite...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37601422

(Attachment Link)

PPW = Professional Political onanists

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 09, 2016, 01:54:45 PM

It wasn't the Hillary camp that released the audio.

It was the GOP Establishment.

In any case, a few of Clinton's sexual assault victims, and, the 12yo that was raped so badly she wasn't able to have kids (Hillary defended the rapist and is on audio laughing about it) will be at the debate.

I predict that about 100 million people will watch the debate tonight and it will have at least some "fireworks" going off.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 09, 2016, 02:47:10 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 09, 2016, 01:54:45 PM

In any case, a few of Clinton's sexual assault victims, and, the 12yo that was raped so badly she wasn't able to have kids (Hillary defended the rapist and is on audio laughing about it) will be at the debate.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 09, 2016, 02:54:45 PM

Trump is best off to make an apology, and then focus on the economy and issues that actually matter.
Bill Clinton's past is long behind us, and no one really cares.
If Trump came out and said the American people deserve better than bringing up sex scandals and that it's time to focus on the issues that truly matter.

IF Hillary continues to bring up the predator theme, it will just make for her to look petty.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 09, 2016, 04:01:01 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 09, 2016, 02:54:45 PM

Trump is best off to make an apology,

Why should he apologise for locker room banter from years ago? It was just dumb braggadocio; as some alpha guys do in front of lesser guys. Just say what it was and move on. That was lame compared to some of mine and Shakey's conversations in Tallinn. :coffeeread:

Cameron with his manhood in a pig as a student anyone? Just dumb stuff people do when drunk, younger and dumber and you think nobody is recording.

People have imperfections. Nobody is lily white by modern PC standards. Especially not when you project today's PC 'everyone's perpetually offended' mantra back decades, and seek to retrospectively impose it.

Work in a pencil factory, you will have pencils in your drawer. Run a Miss World pageant and the odd contestant might flop into your bed. Kinda how the world works. I doubt Trumps supporters will punish him much for that aged recording of locker room braggadocio.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 09, 2016, 04:17:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 09, 2016, 02:54:45 PM

... it's time to focus on the issues that truly matter.

That is absolutely correct! We should focus on America's rape culture, to which Donald has been a life-long contributor.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 09, 2016, 04:22:52 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 09, 2016, 04:01:01 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 09, 2016, 02:54:45 PM
Trump is best off to make an apology,

Why should he apologise for locker room banter from years ago? It was just dumb braggadocio; as some alpha guys do in front of lesser guys. Just say what it was and move on. That was lame compared to some of mine and Shakey's conversations in Tallinn. :coffeeread:

Cameron with his manhood in a pig as a student anyone? Just dumb stuff people do when drunk, younger and dumber and you think nobody is recording.

People have imperfections. Nobody is lily white by modern PC standards. Especially not when you project today's PC 'everyone's perpetually offended' mantra back decades, and seek to retrospectively impose it.

Work in a pencil factory, you will have pencils in your drawer. Run a Miss World pageant and the odd contestant might flop into your bed. Kinda how the world works. I doubt Trumps supporters will punish him much for that aged recording of locker room braggadocio.

Keep in mind that Trump has already offended a large section of the population with other remarks, and has seemed to weather the storm.
Coming off looking like a predator of women he basically offended half the voters, (American women) they are the same women, some of us have chosen not to take as partners because they are liberated beyond reasoning..
He can't win without an heartfelt apology.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 09, 2016, 04:26:25 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 09, 2016, 04:17:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 09, 2016, 02:54:45 PM
... it's time to focus on the issues that truly matter.

That is absolutely correct! We should focus on America's rape culture, to which Donald has been a life-long contributor.

You want to see a rape culture? Look at post Islamic immigration Sweden. Or Germany. You lot dont really have a rape "culture".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 09, 2016, 04:30:27 PM

Who has Donald Trump raped?

Tom, why are you making stuff up?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 09, 2016, 04:34:59 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 09, 2016, 04:22:52 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 09, 2016, 04:01:01 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on October 09, 2016, 02:54:45 PM
Trump is best off to make an apology,

Why should he apologise for locker room banter from years ago? It was just dumb braggadocio; as some alpha guys do in front of lesser guys. Just say what it was and move on. That was lame compared to some of mine and Shakey's conversations in Tallinn. :coffeeread:

Cameron with his manhood in a pig as a student anyone? Just dumb stuff people do when drunk, younger and dumber and you think nobody is recording.

People have imperfections. Nobody is lily white by modern PC standards. Especially not when you project today's PC 'everyone's perpetually offended' mantra back decades, and seek to retrospectively impose it.

Work in a pencil factory, you will have pencils in your drawer. Run a Miss World pageant and the odd contestant might flop into your bed. Kinda how the world works. I doubt Trumps supporters will punish him much for that aged recording of locker room braggadocio.

Keep in mind that Trump has already offended a large section of the population with other remarks, and has seemed to weather the storm.
Coming off looking like a predator of women he basically offended half the voters, (American women) there are the same women some of us have chosen not to take as partners because they are liberated beyond reasoning..
He can't win without an heartfelt apology.

Our media is presenting it through the UK PC leftist prism. But we know that Joe Soap Trump guy in America is more brash, dare I say more uncultured than Islington media luvvies who write our news [sic].

Trump's heartland voters in their double wide won't be touched by this. They may even make whooping noises and shout "attaboy".

His apology might reach out to the odd Connecticut floating female voter, but I reckon most guys will write this off to him just being a guy. Is a president with a bit of lead in his pencil after 70 a bad thing? He is of another generation than most of his voters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 09, 2016, 04:48:33 PM

This guy seems to agree with Manny.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/09/opinions/trump-tape-doesnt-matter-opinion-robbins/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 09, 2016, 04:50:48 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 09, 2016, 04:26:25 PM

You want to see a rape culture? Look at post Islamic immigration Sweden. Or Germany. You lot dont really have a rape "culture".

We have an estimated two million rapes each year. Europe has some catching up to do.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 09, 2016, 05:04:48 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 09, 2016, 04:50:48 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 09, 2016, 04:26:25 PM
You want to see a rape culture? Look at post Islamic immigration Sweden. Or Germany. You lot dont really have a rape "culture".

We have an estimated two million rapes each year. Europe has some catching up to do.

Is there a source for this claim?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 09, 2016, 05:11:31 PM

http://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/

"While the CDC estimates that nearly 2 million adult American women were raped in 2011 and nearly 6.7 million suffered some other form of sexual violence, the NCVS estimate for that year was 238,000 rapes and sexual assaults."

In the United States, the issue is addressed by cooking the books.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 09, 2016, 05:23:11 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 09, 2016, 04:30:27 PM

Who has Donald Trump raped?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 09, 2016, 05:25:38 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 09, 2016, 04:50:48 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 09, 2016, 04:26:25 PM
You want to see a rape culture? Look at post Islamic immigration Sweden. Or Germany. You lot dont really have a rape "culture".

We have an estimated two million rapes each year. Europe has some catching up to do.

Rape is a difficult issue, except for those who are victims, they are left emotionally disfigured.

My guess in America 2,000,000 is on the low side. Looking at statistics from various state and local cities, it seems like a couple million is low. Part of the problem though is defining rape, different states define the forcible act in different ways. This can be seen as 'cooking the books'

Lets just say it is WAY too many victims.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 09, 2016, 05:29:31 PM

One thing that is apparent, the news media did not seem to do the fact checking to verify the Donald was not just making up half the crap he was spewing.
If you noticed as he exited the bus with Billy Bush, he did not grab the young lady in the crotch, but gave her a small peck on the cheek.

How much of the mach image is actually real, and how much was to protect an image ?

This could be a real as his WWE Wrestling performance

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 09, 2016, 05:35:40 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 09, 2016, 11:14:58 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 09, 2016, 11:03:39 AM
Farage pipes up with his usual shite...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37601422

(Attachment Link)

PPW = Professional Political onanists

What a clumsy attempt at moderating!

An onanist is practicing a form of birth control. With a high failure rate I might add.

I should point out the attachment is left with the offending term. And a member here has on occasion referred to other posters as self abusers. But drawing from my teenage daughter in school in England the actual meaning now is more a dumb dumb, idiot or complete looser. It is now rather common English in usage.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 09, 2016, 05:58:03 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 09, 2016, 05:29:31 PM

If you noticed as he exited the bus with Billy Bush, he did not grab the young lady in the crotch, but gave her a small peck on the cheek.

When he exited the bus, he knew that he was being filmed. :prophead:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 09, 2016, 06:25:19 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 09, 2016, 05:58:03 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 09, 2016, 05:29:31 PM
If you noticed as he exited the bus with Billy Bush, he did not grab the young lady in the crotch, but gave her a small peck on the cheek.

When he exited the bus, he knew that he was being filmed. :prophead:

Since when has Trump shown restraint it front of a camera?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 09, 2016, 06:29:50 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 09, 2016, 04:01:01 PM

Why should he apologise for locker room banter from years ago? It was just dumb braggadocio; as some alpha guys do in front of lesser guys. Just say what it was and move on. That was lame compared to some of mine and Shakey's conversations in Tallinn.

All true.

But in the USA when you are running for higher office, you're expected to hold yourself to a higher standard. Especially when you are so far behind in the polls with women voters. Doubtful that undecided women voters are going to break his way in November based on the recent news stories.

With every additional character flaw that is revealed, Trump is making it harder for undecided voters to decide to vote for him.

Trump is always happy to talk about himself even when the discussion is not positive.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 10, 2016, 01:28:06 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 09, 2016, 04:17:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 09, 2016, 02:54:45 PM
... it's time to focus on the issues that truly matter.

That is absolutely correct! We should focus on America's rape culture, to which Donald has been a life-long contributor.

And Hillary too, that tape where she laughed at a guy raping 12 year old because he's going to be free was more horrendous to me than Trump's comments.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 10, 2016, 01:30:42 AM

Clinton: It's good that guys like Donald don't make the law.
Trump: Because you'd be in jail.

Marvelous stuff. Trump just upped the ante a lot. Basicly he said: If I win this presidency, you will be in jail.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 10, 2016, 02:57:17 AM

Clinton: I'll arm the Kurds. :o
Turkey: Goodby Nato.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 10, 2016, 03:21:31 AM

Hey Shakespear, where's your clown suit?

Quote

hold yourself to a higher standard

Than what?

Than Nixon?
Than Bill Clinton?
Than George Bush?
Than Hillary Clinton?
Than Larry Craig?

How about some of these 'higher standards' - just a small sample of 'higher standards' of people in high office who did more than just do some alpha male bragging:

Veterans Health Administration scandal of 2014 - It was discovered that officials in the Phoenix VA hospital lied about how long the wait times were for veterans to see a doctor. An investigation of delays is being conducted by the Veterans Affairs Office of the Inspector General. The Secretary of Veterans Affairs, General Eric Shinseki, voluntarily resigned
Terence Flynn, an appointee of Barack Obama to the National Labor Relations Board, resigned in May 2012 after being accused of serious ethical violations by leaking information to the National Association of Manufacturers
Martha N. Johnson, head of the General Services Administration, fired two top GSA officials and then resigned herself after it was revealed that $822,000 had been spent in Las Vegas on a four-day training conference for 300 GSA employees.
Chris Lee (New York politician) (R-NY) for New York's 26th congressional district resigned after he solicited a woman on Craigslist and emailed a shirtless photo of himself.
Dennis Hastert (R-IL) pleaded guilty to charges that he violated banking rules and lied to the FBI in a scheme to pay $3.5 million in hush money to conceal sexual misconduct with an under age boy from his days as a high school wrestling coach, from 1965 to 1981.
Aaron Schock (R-IL) resigned from office after evidence surfaced that he used campaign funds for travel, redecorated his office with taxpayer funds to resemble the sets of the Downton Abbey TV series, and otherwise spent campaign and/or taxpayer money on other questionable personal uses.
Brett O'Donnell Communications Director for Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA) plead guilty to lying to investigators from the House Office of Congressional Ethics about working for Rodgers while being paid with campaign money, thus becoming the first person ever to be convicted of lying to the House OCE.
Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI) resigned his Congressional seat. Four of his staff were convicted by the state of Michigan of falsifying signatures on McCotter's reelection petitions for the 2012 elections.
Rick Renzi (R-AZ) on June 12, 2013, was found guilty of 17 counts against him, which included wire fraud, conspiracy, extortion, racketeering, money laundering, and making false statements to insurance regulators.
Senator Mike Crapo (R-ID) was arrested on December 23, 2012, and later pleaded guilty to drinking and driving in a Virginia court. The court fined him 250 dollars. He was sentenced to 180 days in prison, but served no time.
Laura Richardson (D-CA) was found guilty on seven counts of violating US House rules by improperly using her staff to campaign for her, destroying the evidence and tampering with witness testimony.
Michael Grimm (R-NY) pleaded guilty to tax fraud on December 23, 2014, and was sentenced to eight months in federal prison.
Scott DesJarlais (R-TN), while running for re-election on a pro-life platform, it was discovered that he had made his wife have two abortions, and tried to persuade his mistress (who was also his patient), to have one as well. He also admitted under oath that while a married physician at Grandview Medical Center in Jasper, TN, he had six affairs with three co-workers, two patients and a drug representative. He was investigated by the Tennessee Board of Health, pleaded guilty and was fined.
G. Thomas Porteous Federal Judge for Eastern Louisiana was unanimously impeached by the US House of Representatives on charges of bribery and perjury in March 2010. He was convicted by the US Senate and removed from office. He had been appointed by Democrat Bill Clinton.
Samuel B. Kent Federal District Judge of Galveston, Texas, was sentenced to 33 months in prison for lying about sexually harassing two female employees. He had been appointed to office by Republican George H. W. Bush in 1990.
Jack T. Camp Senior Federal U.S. District Court Judge was appointed by Republican Ronald Reagan and again by George W. Bush, was arrested in an undercover drug bust while trying to purchase cocaine from an FBI agent.

For more examples of the people who most certainly did not hold themselves to 'higher standards' check this page out: CLICK HERE! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_scandals_in_the_United_States)

So, Shakespear, it is wonderful that your support for Clinton knows no bounds, your loyalty is commendable. However, while it is certainly unfortunate that these recordings showed up, you know as a sensible bloke (sometimes), that this has nothing to do with the guy's ability to be president and that your claim about higher standards simply has no merit.

These are people, humans, all with feet of clay. However Trump has never been found guilty of crimes, never been found guilty of suborning his position. Pulled some strokes, yes. And that's what your country needs. A reason that you have such a poor choice of candidates right now is because almost nobody wants to go through the process to which Trump, and Clinton, are being pushed right now. One does so because one is serious, believes that the stupidity of the process is worthwhile and, in Trump's case, because truth be told, he is clean as a whistle.

Look at it this way. His enemies, YOUR enemies, have been busily hoovering up all the bad shit about Trump that they could over a life career lasting 7 decades. The worst they can find is evidence that the guy is an alpha male with the attributes required to be the leader of your country.

On a wider scale, the fact that a mind trained in the law, as yours was, can now fall so woefully short of objectivity and reason is saddening. Talk to 20 years younger you and look at the younger you being embarrassed. 20 years younger you would see that you have been tricked, conned and that cognitive dissonance is keeping you trapped in a mental prison.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on October 10, 2016, 04:21:02 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 10, 2016, 02:57:17 AM

Clinton: I'll arm the Kurds. :o
Turkey: Goodby Nato.

The Obama administration has already supplied $100s million to the Kurds and has recently escalated the flow.
The position of the NATO airbase at Incirlik is precarious to say the least. It is surrounded by 3 brigades of Turkish military and could be closed in a day...

If the Bag lady persists with this policy. USA will lose all use of military bases in Turkey and Turkish airspace will be closed to USA war planes.

The Kurdish separatists are regarded as terrorists in Turkey. The USA name game (call the Terrorists you are supporting by a different name e.g. Al Nusra / Al Qida) has no currency in Turkey. 15 more killed in Hakkari by Kurdish Terrorists this weekend....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 10, 2016, 05:28:47 AM

This is VERY simple..

The PKK are a prescribed terrorist organisation re USA, UK, Germany, Australia.......

I understand the difference between aiding Kurds fighting IS in Iraq and the PKK.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 10, 2016, 07:57:02 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 10, 2016, 03:21:31 AM

So, Shakespear, it is wonderful that your support for Clinton knows no bounds, your loyalty is commendable. However, while it is certainly unfortunate that these recordings showed up, you know as a sensible bloke (sometimes), that this has nothing to do with the guy's ability to be president and that your claim about higher standards simply has no merit.

I don't support Hillary Clinton. You must not have been paying attention.

However your constant braying about a topic you obviously know little about and understand even less is getting tiresome.

Most people recognize that "money talks and bullshit walks". Right now you're bullshit meter is showing a maximum reading. So let's remove the spotlight from you and cut right down to the chase.

I'll bet you $300 US dollars that Hillary Clinton wins the election. Put up or shut up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 10, 2016, 08:10:15 AM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/x281-hillary-witch-clinton-940-800x416.png.pagespeed.ic.0TbNBV2HSr_zpswzerzh25.jpg)

Hillary Clinton quotes (Makes Trump look like a choirboy)

http://truthfeed.com/8-actual-hillary-quotes/8825/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on October 10, 2016, 08:47:43 AM

Quote from: msmoby on October 10, 2016, 05:28:47 AM

This is VERY simple..

The PKK are a prescribed terrorist organisation re USA, UK, Germany, Australia.......

I understand the difference between aiding Kurds fighting IS in Iraq and the PKK.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

The PKK and the YPG are the same people!

Just Like Al Nusra and Al Qaeda are the same Islamic extremists...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 10, 2016, 09:10:39 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 10, 2016, 07:57:02 AM

I'll bet you $300 US dollars that Hillary Clinton wins the election. Put up or shut up.

According to the poll on this thread, you should get 13-1 odds.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 10, 2016, 09:37:17 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 10, 2016, 09:10:39 AM

According to the poll on this thread, you should get 13-1 odds.

I know.

But because FiFi is a friend, I'll bet him square up.

I'm going to need a little extra cash to weather the financial ruin that a Clinton Presidency will bring upon our country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 10, 2016, 10:07:14 AM

According to Paddy Power, Trump has been sinking and has dropped even further after reinforcing the perception that he is a predator during last night's debate. Only a fool would take your bet.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 10, 2016, 10:07:31 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 10, 2016, 09:37:17 AM

the financial ruin that a Clinton Presidency will bring upon our country.

Sounds like you should vote Trump then. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 10, 2016, 10:55:10 AM

Just watching the second debate. Bag lady got "Russian aggression" in there around 42m in, 49m and again at 1:02. :chuckle:

Bag Lady: "I've taken on Putin". :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 10, 2016, 11:23:22 AM

Shakespear, I don't DO silly Internet bets and neither should you.

However, once again, I called it. ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 10, 2016, 12:48:16 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 10, 2016, 11:23:22 AM

Shakespear, I don't DO silly Internet bets and neither should you.

So you have no conviction on the nonsense you are ~~spewing~~ writing . . . . . . . . . .

All we needed to know. :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 10, 2016, 12:54:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 10, 2016, 09:37:17 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 10, 2016, 09:10:39 AM
According to the poll on this thread, you should get 13-1 odds.

I know.

But because FiFi is a friend, I'll bet him square up.

I'm going to need a little extra cash to weather the financial ruin that a Clinton Presidency will bring upon our country.

Friday night, Trump looked half-dead and on the ropes.

After his strong debate performance he is now back in the running.

That fortunes can change over a single weekend is just how politics is.

Don't learn to read polls ... learn to read people.

Trump= "winner" and people respond to winners

Hillary = "lying loser"

Hillary's insane hatred of Russia came through in the debate - sounded a little unhinged. The Russians are no longer commies, so the average guy doesn't see the need - as a call to action, it failed; and the American people ( IMHO ) are tired of endless wars.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 10, 2016, 12:57:33 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 10, 2016, 10:07:31 AM

Sounds like you should vote Trump then. :chuckle:

If I do it's not going to make any difference.

He's going to get clobbered in November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 10, 2016, 01:00:24 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 10, 2016, 10:55:10 AM

Bag Lady: "I've taken on Putin". :ROFL:

I think he really missed a softaball Hillary lobbed him on this topic.

His speech writers should have had a clever line working in the "reset button" on the Russian topic.

That would have been as good as the "You'd be in jail" zinger he made.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 10, 2016, 01:03:57 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 10, 2016, 12:54:05 PM

After his strong debate performance he is now back in the running.

Well, I thought the second debate was an even draw. Both candidates were effective in getting the message they wanted to deliver across to the television audience.

Not so certain that Trump won the second debate, but he definitely was much more in command of the facts AND himself compared to the first debate, which he clearly lost.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 10, 2016, 03:00:27 PM

It will take a week or so for the impact of the tape and the debate to be reflected in the "meaningless" polls. I'll post an image as soon as it is available.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 10, 2016, 03:15:16 PM

I've watched it all now.

Quote from: Slumba on October 10, 2016, 12:54:05 PM

Don't learn to read polls ... learn to read people.

Trump= "winner" and people respond to winners

Hillary = "lying loser"

He took a hit over that tape lark, but I'm with Slumba here.

Quote from: Slumba on October 10, 2016, 12:54:05 PM

Hillary's insane hatred of Russia came through in the debate - sounded a little unhinged.

I agree. She was looking for a reason to inject Russia the bogeyman. Trump dealt with that well.

Quote from: shakespear on October 10, 2016, 01:03:57 PM

Well, I thought the second debate was an even draw. Both candidates were effective in getting the message they wanted to deliver across to the television audience.

Not so certain that Trump won the second debate, but he definitely was much more in command of the facts AND himself compared to the first debate, which he clearly lost.

I agree with that too.

As a Brit, it was an interesting watch. Politics is way more gritty and less polite over the pond. I'm not so sure his quips about having her thrown in jail were well-timed though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on October 10, 2016, 03:19:00 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 10, 2016, 03:15:16 PM

I've watched it all now.

Quote from: Slumba on October 10, 2016, 12:54:05 PM
Don't learn to read polls ... learn to read people.

Trump= "winner" and people respond to winners

Hillary = "lying loser"

He took a hit over that tape lark, but I'm with Slumba here.

Quote from: Slumba on October 10, 2016, 12:54:05 PM
Hillary's insane hatred of Russia came through in the debate - sounded a little unhinged.

I agree. She was looking for a reason to inject Russia the bogeyman. Trump dealt with that well.

Quote from: shakespear on October 10, 2016, 01:03:57 PM
Well, I thought the second debate was an even draw. Both candidates were effective in getting the message they wanted to deliver across to the television audience.

Not so certain that Trump won the second debate, but he definitely was much more in command of the facts AND himself compared to the first debate, which he clearly lost.

I agree with that too.

As a Brit, it was an interesting watch. Politics is way more gritty and less polite over the pond. I'm not so sure his quips about having her thrown in jail were well-timed though.

+ 1

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 10, 2016, 03:59:51 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 10, 2016, 03:15:16 PM

I'm not so sure his quips about having her thrown in jail were well-timed though.

Best "zinger" of the night. That comment was made to shore up his base. In the unlikely event he would win the election I'm sure Obama would issue a pardon to her and anyone associated with her illegal activities.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 10, 2016, 04:30:29 PM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 10, 2016, 06:56:28 PM

The Democrats are offering millions for any dirt on Trump.
Funny how the news media condemned Trump for what he said in private, yet they print those words for anyone including children.
The media should be held accountable and to the same standards they expect from Trump.

There Are Transcripts Of Trump’s Unaired Moments On ‘The Apprentice.’ We Got One.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57fbc511e4b0e655eab65823

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 10, 2016, 07:19:09 PM

Gotta be careful what you joke about the Dems will preach it like it's the gospel. :chuckle:

This a bit of light humor.

BOROWITZ REPORT

PUTIN CANCELS CAMPAIGN EVENT WITH TRUMP

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/putin-cancels-campaign-event-with-trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 10, 2016, 07:28:36 PM

Wonder if Trump would be able to put Hillary behind bars. Wonder what she would look like in a striped pantsuit?

More Evidence Reveals Obama Influenced Clinton’s FBI Investigation

http://observer.com/2016/10/more-evidence-reveals-obama-influenced-clintons-fbi-investigation/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 10, 2016, 07:42:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 10, 2016, 12:48:16 PM

So you have no conviction on the nonsense you are ~~spewing~~ writing . . . . . . . . . .

The above addressing Fifi.

Me pondering did you just figure the above out?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 11, 2016, 04:25:22 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 10, 2016, 04:30:29 PM

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(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/molehill_large_zpsnqapo9mc.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 11, 2016, 05:09:34 AM

A MESSAGE FROM THE QUEEN

To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.

In light of your failure to nominate competent candidates for President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately.
Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except North Dakota, which she does not fancy).
Our new Prime Minister, Theresa May, will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

To aid in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

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1. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour,' 'favour,' 'labour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix '-ize' will be replaced by the suffix '-ise.' Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up 'vocabulary').

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2. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as ''like' and 'you know' is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated letter 'u'' and the elimination of '-ize.'

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3. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.

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4. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse. If you can't sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist, then you're not ready to shoot grouse.

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5. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. Although a permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

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6. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

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7. The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) of roughly $10/US gallon. Get used to it.

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8. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.

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9. The cold, tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. South African beer is also acceptable, as they are pound for pound the greatest sporting nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of the British Commonwealth - see what it did for them. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.

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10. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English dialect in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater.

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11. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies).

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12. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the South Africans first to take the sting out of their deliveries.

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13. You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad.

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14. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).

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15. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 p.m. with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.

God Save the Queen!

PS: Only share this with friends who have a good sense of humour (NOT humor)!

Received by email - original source unknown

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 11, 2016, 05:46:27 AM

Shakespear, you have, in the past, caused yourself enough trouble with your silly online bets. I have no wish to add to your contribution to the world supply of stupid. .

I will leave it to you to continue to measure the world by its price whilst continuing to understand the value of nothing.

As you know, matters in respect of this election have very much tended to proceed as I expected and predicted. I have no need to take money from a bloke who is clearly unable to learn from his mistakes. However, if you wish to make a little money you might want to set aside your cognitive dissonance and learn something.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 11, 2016, 07:41:06 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 11, 2016, 05:46:27 AM

Shakespear, you have, in the past, caused yourself enough trouble with your silly online bets. I have no wish to add to your contribution to the world supply of stupid. .

I will leave it to you to continue to measure the world by its price whilst continuing to understand the value of nothing.

As you know, matters in respect of this election have very much tended to proceed as I expected and predicted. I have no need to take money from a bloke who is clearly unable to learn from his mistakes. However, if you wish to make a little money you might want to set aside your cognitive dissonance and learn something.

To my knowledge I've paid any bet I've lost and haven't missed a house payment yet ;D

Manny I do believe is owed $50,000 by the estate of Jack Bragg.

Money talks, bullshit walks. Keep spewing. The level of your conviction about what you write has become quite clear.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Boris on October 11, 2016, 07:55:09 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 11, 2016, 07:41:06 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 11, 2016, 05:46:27 AM
Shakespear, you have, in the past, caused yourself enough trouble with your silly online bets. I have no wish to add to your contribution to the world supply of stupid. .

I will leave it to you to continue to measure the world by its price whilst continuing to understand the value of nothing.

As you know, matters in respect of this election have very much tended to proceed as I expected and predicted. I have no need to take money from a bloke who is clearly unable to learn from his mistakes. However, if you wish to make a little money you might want to set aside your cognitive dissonance and learn something.

To my knowledge I've paid any bet I've lost and haven't missed a house payment yet ;D

Manny I do believe is owed $50,000 by the estate of Jack Bragg.

Money talks, bullshit walks. Keep spewing. The level of your conviction about what you write has become quite clear.

I had forgotten about that. Those were the good old days...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 11, 2016, 07:58:54 AM

Quote from: msmoby on October 11, 2016, 05:09:34 AM

A MESSAGE FROM THE QUEEN

To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.

In light of your failure to nominate competent candidates for President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately.
Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except North Dakota, which she does not fancy).
Our new Prime Minister, Theresa May, will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

Moby good one tiphat

Will forward to some.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 11, 2016, 08:01:56 AM

I was not suggesting that you had not paid out money, I do not know enough about you to know if you have welched on a bet; however you know as well as I do of the problems that your love of silly Internet bets has caused you.

Look, I don't bet, I regard it as a fools game. You know the problems you caused to yourself from being silly in that regard and I have no intention of joining you in your foolishness.

Do yourself a favour, learn about your political system and the social maladies that are leading to your confusion, don't bet on stuff you don't understand, and absolutely don't bet with people you don't know, don't see, and have no way to prevail upon.

That's it done. :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on October 11, 2016, 10:02:12 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 11, 2016, 07:41:06 AM

Manny I do believe is owed $50,000 by the estate of Jack Bragg.

Hi Shakey is this bet on this board. If so can you reference the thread?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 11, 2016, 10:15:26 AM

Quote from: leslied on October 11, 2016, 10:02:12 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 11, 2016, 07:41:06 AM

Manny I do believe is owed $50,000 by the estate of Jack Bragg.

Hi Shakey is this bet on this board. If so can you reference the thread?

While some are old timers as a newbie I vaguely remember seeing this referred to Jack B. :GRAVE: but I recall one less zero and a different currency.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 11, 2016, 11:01:44 AM

Quote from: msmoby on October 11, 2016, 05:09:34 AM

A MESSAGE FROM THE QUEEN

LOL. As I've said before....

We *might* take pity on the mother country let you into NAFTA, along with our two wholly-owned subsidiaries, Mexico, and Canada (aka "Mexico With Snow"). We don't really like Mexico, but they work hard and they know where to score the best weed. So you will have to carry Mexico's bags during your rookie season, but after that we're sure you'll settle in.

On the plus side, you won't have to stand idly by, cowed by PC elites, while your kids get raped by Sand People. No worries, we'll teach you how to give such folks "Exedrin Headache #357". Oh, and "dentistry". Perhaps you've heard of it? No? Well, soon enough. Baby steps, as they say.

Oh, and you're going to have to learn The Star Spangled Banner. Sorry you guys play the villains in that piece, but, well, that was your choice. Anyway, we play it before sporting events like baseball, football and NASCAR. Things you know nothing about...yet. The good news is that you already know the tune to "My Country 'Tis of Thee", you just have to learn the new lyrics.

The only downside we've discovered so far is that Taxation With Representation pretty much blows, too. And not in the 'fun' way, like with a lady.

:coffeeread:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 11, 2016, 11:13:50 AM

Quote from: leslied on October 11, 2016, 10:02:12 AM

Hi Shakey is this bet on this board. If so can you reference the thread?

It is but I'm not going to take the time to try and find it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 11, 2016, 11:45:45 AM

A couple of posts upthread I suggested that, for at least one person, it was worth learning about the political system and the social issues in his country rather than bet against reality.

Well, apart from the inherent silliness in silly Internet bets there's sound reasons to not bet against reality.
You see, for you poor Americans your very perception of reality is being altered for you and most of you, including those who bet against reality, have no idea of what is going on.

I have mentioned before about polling and how your perceptions are being altered by fake polls presented as reality. I have written about how we perceive reality on different levels and that most of us can deal with only one level but that those who manipulate you are working with several levels.

Here's a case in point for you: one of the issues of opinion polls as presented to the Marching Morons is that the Marching Morons think that they are scientific, represent fact and that, at some level, they can be relied upon. Team Clinton used this shortcoming among the populace to con Sanders out of his chance at being president. Well, now the same tricks are being used upon Republicans and again it is the Democrats who are the reality changers.

I have written about sample sizes and how altering the sample distribution changes the outcome of a poll and that a small sample has too large a margin of error to be representative of a larger population. Right now, you can consider these manipulations to be SOP for the main mass media presentations.
Now though it gets worse. Rather than me rewrite stuff already well written by others I will link to the piece and you can see for yourselves: CLICK HERE! (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/11/media-polling-fully-exposed-about-that-nbcwsj-clinton-11-point-poll/#more-123009)

The goal here, at least in part, is to split the Republican support. For example, we have on this forum a bloke who considers himself Republican but he is of the firm, but erroneous, opinion that Trump can not win the election. In large part his opinion is based upon polls which support his prejudices (bias confirmation we call that). He isn't alone, senior Republicans are conspiring against their own candidate because they think, based upon the lies they have believed as truth, that he can't win. In essence this is what happened to Sanders - when enough people believed the lies he was forced to drop out. Now, afterward, we find that the voters were lied to, he was lied to, his team was lied to and that the Democrat hierarchy actively conspired to stop the most popular candidate from being selected for the party nomination.

Read the link I provided and then think about how your minds are being controlled by dishonest, evil, rogues.

I think that Trump has a very good chance of winning in a month's time, as long as he does not succumb to false reality. I have understood what has been going on for many months. The game is being ramped up now because, truth be told, Trump is STILL ahead in the minds and hearts of voters in the USA - the real people, not the game players. The voters who will vote Trump are making a huge protest vote; they are not Republicans or Democrats, but they are more PEOPLE, CITIZENS and they are very unhappy with the status quo.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 11, 2016, 11:59:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 11, 2016, 11:45:45 AM

I think that Trump has a very good chance of winning in a month's time, as long as he does not succumb to false reality.

But you refuse to back your "conviction" therefore what you say are just senseless words that you've mentally masturbated.

Trump is not a Republican.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 11, 2016, 12:26:54 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/opinion/donald-trumps-sad-lonely-life.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

Best article on Trump I've read to date.

This author has painted a "dead on" word picture of Donald Trump. :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 11, 2016, 01:06:06 PM

Sorry for being thick but what does the US Pres. actually do? Is he/she just a figurehead, a bit like the Queen, and all policy etc dictated by Senate? Or do they have real power?

I mean, although we chide our PM's, they do have real power and do have some history of political nous, even the much berated Gordon Brown was a very inteligent and astute person, a Doctor (of economics I think) no less, a proper one from a respect institution so despite the pisstaking I excpet will result from that statement, he's done it, whereas most of the UK posters here can probably muster 5 O levels in total max!!

Not taking the piss, interested....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 11, 2016, 01:15:02 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 11, 2016, 01:06:06 PM

Sorry for being thick but what does the US Pres. actually do? Is he/she just a figurehead, a bit like the Queen, and all policy etc dictated by Senate? Or do they have real power?

Quite a bit of power.

Article II Section 2 & 3 of the Constitution outline the duties of the President.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 11, 2016, 01:23:37 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 11, 2016, 01:06:06 PM

Sorry for being thick but what does the US Pres. actually do? Is he/she just a figurehead, a bit like the Queen, and all policy etc dictated by Senate? Or do they have real power?

I mean, although we chide our PM's, they do have real power and do have some history of political nous, even the much berated Gordon Brown was a very inteligent and astute person, a Doctor (of economics I think) no less, a proper one from a respect institution so despite the pisstaking I excpet will result from that statement, he's done it, whereas most of the UK posters here can probably muster 5 O levels in total max!!

Not taking the piss, interested....

Speak for yourself of course.... ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 11, 2016, 01:26:39 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 11, 2016, 01:23:37 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 11, 2016, 01:06:06 PM
Sorry for being thick but what does the US Pres. actually do? Is he/she just a figurehead, a bit like the Queen, and all policy etc dictated by Senate? Or do they have real power?

I mean, although we chide our PM's, they do have real power and do have some history of political nous, even the much berated Gordon Brown was a very inteligent and astute person, a Doctor (of economics I think) no less, a proper one from a respect institution so despite the pisstaking I excpet will result from that statement, he's done it, whereas most of the UK posters here can probably muster 5 O levels in total max!!

Not taking the piss, interested....

Speak for yourself of course.... ;D

I've got a Law dregree honest!

Ste LLB, that's me from The University of Central Lancashire and I achieved the grade 'Pass'!

IDC, I was the first person from Bolton ever to get a degree, and I'm proud to say I must have inspired the other three to date who got one after....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 11, 2016, 01:30:52 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 11, 2016, 01:26:39 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 11, 2016, 01:23:37 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 11, 2016, 01:06:06 PM
Sorry for being thick but what does the US Pres. actually do? Is he/she just a figurehead, a bit like the Queen, and all policy etc dictated by Senate? Or do they have real power?

I mean, although we chide our PM's, they do have real power and do have some history of political nous, even the much berated Gordon Brown was a very inteligent and astute person, a Doctor (of economics I think) no less, a proper one from a respect institution so despite the pisstaking I excpet will result from that statement, he's done it, whereas most of the UK posters here can probably muster 5 O levels in total max!!

Not taking the piss, interested....

Speak for yourself of course.... ;D

I've got a Law dregree honest!

Ste LLB, that's me from The University of Central Lancashire and I achieved the grade 'Pass'!

IDC, I was the first person from Bolton ever to get a degree, and I'm proud to say I must have inspired the other three to date who got one after....

Still practicing, or have you moved on to a more honest profession?? ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 11, 2016, 01:35:43 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 11, 2016, 01:30:52 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 11, 2016, 01:26:39 PM
Quote from: Gipsy on October 11, 2016, 01:23:37 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 11, 2016, 01:06:06 PM
Sorry for being thick but what does the US Pres. actually do? Is he/she just a figurehead, a bit like the Queen, and all policy etc dictated by Senate? Or do they have real power?

I mean, although we chide our PM's, they do have real power and do have some history of political nous, even the much berated Gordon Brown was a very inteligent and astute person, a Doctor (of economics I think) no less, a proper one from a respect institution so despite the pisstaking I excpet will result from that statement, he's done it, whereas most of the UK posters here can probably muster 5 O levels in total max!!

Not taking the piss, interested....

Speak for yourself of course.... ;D

I've got a Law dregree honest!

Ste LLB, that's me from The University of Central Lancashire and I achieved the grade 'Pass'!

IDC, I was the first person from Bolton ever to get a degree, and I'm proud to say I must have inspired the other three to date who got one after....

Still practicing, or have you moved on to a more honest profession?? ;D

Never practiced, needed to get a proper job not an articled clerk on buttons. Wish I had though, I'm and expert of UK and EU immgration law now just be having a foreign partner and exploring way/loopholes etc, advise on forums since 2005 but this sort of thing is such a closed shop there's not way I can quailfy as a lawyer/barrister/solicitor without serving articles, even though i'm 55 now.

Fuk that. In banking now, Nordea in Denmark, love it here, job a bit boring though....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 11, 2016, 02:41:44 PM

Another pro clinton story hid a nice gem.

It focussed on the superrich gettin 10% less taxes. But more neutral would be. Almost all americans are better off under trumps tax plan than under hillary

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 11, 2016, 03:05:58 PM

Quote from: Maxx on June 16, 2015, 05:34:39 PM

He has a shot at making it. People are so sick of politicians that they might vote for a businessman. Especially someone who doesn't need to be bought. I can see the Don financing his campaign with a billlion ot two of his 9 billion dollars. He loves getting attention and shooting his mouth off. This sure gives him a chance to get to do both. Besides I have the impression he loves his county and would like to clean out the stables he has been contending with his entire life.

Is quite prophetic a year on.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 11, 2016, 04:09:41 PM

Absolutely amazing how much money goes to the Clinton foundation, and which countries donate.

Hillary in Leaked Email: Saudi Arabia and Qatar Are Funding ISIS

http://russia-insider.com/en/hillary-leaked-email-saudi-arabia-and-qatar-are-funding-isis/ri16931

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 11, 2016, 04:39:42 PM

Trump has switched to a no holds bared campaign, we are going to see Trump's furry, as he unleashes his wrath on establishment republicans that don't support him as well as the Clintons.

Ben a very entertaining presidential election so far.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 11, 2016, 07:29:30 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 11, 2016, 12:26:54 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/11/opinion/donald-trumps-sad-lonely-life.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

Best article on Trump I've read to date.

This author has painted a "dead on" word picture of Donald Trump. :nod:

David Brooks teaches "Successful Global Leadership" at Yale University.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 11, 2016, 07:31:25 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 18, 2015, 01:27:50 PM

Quote from: Boris on June 18, 2015, 12:10:56 PM
No chance...

No shit.

The guy is an ass clown.

He doesn't really want to be President.

He's just doing this to feed his gigantic ego.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 11, 2016, 08:33:50 PM

At least the BBC, is a bit more unbiased than the American media.

The dark depths of hatred for Hillary Clinton

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36992955

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 12, 2016, 02:50:59 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 11, 2016, 08:33:50 PM

At least the BBC, is a bit more unbiased than the American media.

The dark depths of hatred for Hillary Clinton

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36992955

Lots of sound bites but few facts. I keep coming back to the unfortunate reality is that perhaps the two most unqualified and deliquent people in America are running to be POTUS. :hidechair:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 12, 2016, 05:01:37 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 11, 2016, 11:01:44 AM

We *might* take pity on the mother country let you into NAFTA, along with our two wholly-owned subsidiaries, Mexico, and Canada (aka "Mexico With Snow"). We don't really like Mexico, but they work hard and they know where to score the best weed. So you will have to carry Mexico's bags during your rookie season, but after that we're sure you'll settle in.

On the plus side, you won't have to stand idly by, cowed by PC elites, while your kids get raped by Sand People. No worries, we'll teach you how to give such folks "Exedrin Headache #357". Oh, and "dentistry". Perhaps you've heard of it? No? Well, soon enough. Baby steps, as they say.

Oh, and you're going to have to learn The Star Spangled Banner. Sorry you guys play the villains in that piece, but, well, that was your choice. Anyway, we play it before sporting events like baseball, football and NASCAR. Things you know nothing about...yet. The good news is that you already know the tune to "My Country 'Tis of Thee", you just have to learn the new lyrics.

The only downside we've discovered so far is that Taxation With Representation pretty much blows, too. And not in the 'fun' way, like with a lady.

:coffeeread:

B/B

Only share this with friends who have a good sense of humour (NOT humor)! .....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 12, 2016, 08:55:56 AM

Quote from: leslied on October 11, 2016, 10:02:12 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 11, 2016, 07:41:06 AM

Manny I do believe is owed $50,000 by the estate of Jack Bragg.

Hi Shakey is this bet on this board. If so can you reference the thread?

Not sure if it is here or elsewhere now, but it is true. Jack bet me $50k, and he lost. Rumour had it at the time he wasn't worth chasing for it and he died not long after.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 12, 2016, 09:02:09 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 11, 2016, 11:01:44 AM

On the plus side, you won't have to stand idly by, cowed by PC elites, while your kids get raped by Sand People. No worries, we'll teach you how to give such folks "Exedrin Headache #357". Oh, and "dentistry". Perhaps you've heard of it? No? Well, soon enough. Baby steps, as they say.

Bloody hell that is funny! Not sure all Brits will get Exedrin Headache #357 tho.......I had to blink and think for a moment while my mental American dictionary flicked a few pages. Think Nurofen and Magnum 357 Dirty Harry.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 12, 2016, 09:15:33 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 06, 2016, 07:49:19 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on October 06, 2016, 05:31:37 AM
Now Hillary is offering free college to everyone in the USA who earns less than 125,000 dollars per year to try to buy younger votes.

Investing in education is one of best investments that we could make.

Anything outside STEM these days is pure indoctrination, however.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on October 12, 2016, 09:30:27 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2016, 08:55:56 AM

Quote from: leslied on October 11, 2016, 10:02:12 AM
Quote from: shakespear on October 11, 2016, 07:41:06 AM

Manny I do believe is owed $50,000 by the estate of Jack Bragg.

Hi Shakey is this bet on this board. If so can you reference the thread?

Not sure if it is here or elsewhere now, but it is true. Jack bet me $50k, and he lost. Rumour had it at the time he wasn't worth chasing for it and he died not long after.

Not on here - I searched. Maybe at the other place. What was the bet about?

Jack did this sort of thing. Lots of Bravado. His Telecom's resale business was fading as they all were at that time.

Would like to read the thread where he did this. Jack in full flow just has to be read :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 12, 2016, 09:39:48 AM

Quote from: leslied on October 12, 2016, 09:30:27 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2016, 08:55:56 AM
Quote from: leslied on October 11, 2016, 10:02:12 AM
Quote from: shakespear on October 11, 2016, 07:41:06 AM

Manny I do believe is owed $50,000 by the estate of Jack Bragg.

Hi Shakey is this bet on this board. If so can you reference the thread?

Not sure if it is here or elsewhere now, but it is true. Jack bet me $50k, and he lost. Rumour had it at the time he wasn't worth chasing for it and he died not long after.

Not on here - I searched. Maybe at the other place. What was the bet about?

Jack did this sort of thing. Lots of Bravado. His Telecom's resale business was fading as they all were at that time.

Would like to read the thread where he did this. Jack in full flow just has to be read :ROFL: :ROFL:

Internet pretty slow here in China. I'll gladly seek it out in a week or so when back home.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 12, 2016, 09:45:50 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2016, 09:02:09 AM

... and Magnum 357 Dirty Harry.

It was a .44 Magnum.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 12, 2016, 10:46:46 AM

Quote from: msmoby on October 12, 2016, 05:01:37 AM

Only share this with friends who have a good sense of humour (NOT humor)! .....

Sauce for the goose, etc.

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2016, 09:02:09 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 11, 2016, 11:01:44 AM
On the plus side, you won't have to stand idly by, cowed by PC elites, while your kids get raped by Sand People. No worries, we'll teach you how to give such folks "Exedrin Headache #357". Oh, and "dentistry". Perhaps you've heard of it? No? Well, soon enough. Baby steps, as they say.

Bloody hell that is funny! Not sure all Brits will get Exedrin Headache #357 tho.......I had to blink and think for a moment while my mental American dictionary flicked a few pages. Think Nurofen and Magnum 357 Dirty Harry.

The joke "flows" better with #357. Either you have to put in "#44" which is incomplete or "#44 Magnum", which drifts a bit. The commercials for Excedrin are a bit vintage now, too. /shrugs

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 12, 2016, 10:54:16 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 12, 2016, 09:45:50 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2016, 09:02:09 AM
... and Magnum 357 Dirty Harry.

It was a .44 Magnum.

Yes it was a 44 Magnum.

And it gave rise to the lines to 'Do you feel lucky punk?' and 'A man has to know his limitations'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 12, 2016, 01:02:21 PM

I remember when Magnums were 59p

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 12, 2016, 01:14:59 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 12, 2016, 01:02:21 PM

I remember when Magnums were 59p

:ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 12, 2016, 04:10:18 PM

^ Reading and writing is useful too. (Just look at some of the comments on this thread.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 12, 2016, 04:58:17 PM

Things might be turning positive for Trump. If the missiles fired at US navy ships were fired by Iranian backed rebels, Trump will surely use the Iran deal which Hillary takes credit for helping to negotiate, as the cause.
More Clinton emails were released that will also give Trump's campaign a boost.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 13, 2016, 02:12:01 AM

The ~~debate~~ duet continues.

http://www.luckytv.nl/time-of-my-life/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 13, 2016, 10:50:43 AM

It's over.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 13, 2016, 10:54:51 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 13, 2016, 10:50:43 AM

It's over.

It's been over since Trump won the nomination.

Although it appears Hillary might not be legally able to serve in the office.

Check out US Code 18-2071 and tell me what you think.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 13, 2016, 01:14:52 PM

I imagine this will come up if when Hillary wins the election. For those too lazy to look up US Code 18-2071 here is what it says:

"(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States."

The FBI has proven without question that the Clinton State Department is guilty of this crime. Now, will the Obama Justice Department, as they have sworn an oath to do, apply the laws of the United States fairly and impartially? My guess is no way in hell. We're no longer a country governed by laws. We're a country governed by the fiat of the Progressive Movement.

Thanks Trumpsters for throwing away the last chance we had to stop this destruction of the country our founding fathers envisioned by nominating a narcissistic political nincompoop as the Republican Candidate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 13, 2016, 01:20:43 PM

Shakes, I could call D. Trump many things

What I do not understand is your outstanding hatred of him Donald as a person? Yes I have my doubts, but. . . .

He can perhaps move the country in a different direction.

I guess my question is who will you vote for?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 13, 2016, 01:48:11 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 13, 2016, 01:20:43 PM

I guess my question is who will you vote for?

I've said it from day 1 - Trump is "uniquely unqualified" to be president of the United States.

His behavior on the campaign trail and his record of past behavior has proven that an accurate assessment.

As of right now, I consider the whole election "damage control" for the Republican Party. The Republican Party needs to immediately cease all monetary expenditures on the Trump campaign and refocus them on keeping 51 Republican Senators and a solid majority in the House. If we do that, there is really not much permanent damage Hillary can do for the first 2 years.

As for my vote, I will vote for the candidate that will be most likely to nominate federal judges that interpret the Constitution as written in the mold of Antonin Scalia to the federal bench at all levels. Obama has proven that American can survive 8 years of a horrible President; which I'm convinced both Trump and Clinton will be horrible Presidents. What America cannot survive is a President that will pack the federal courts full of 40ish year old progressive-minded judges that will negatively impact the laws of our country for the next 25-40 years.

As you might surmise, accomplishing that goal will require me to hold my nose, choke back the vomit in my throat and reluctantly acquiesce to vote for the Republican nominee in spite of his total unsuitability and obvious mental instability.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 13, 2016, 03:13:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 13, 2016, 10:54:51 AM

Check out US Code 18-2071 and tell me what you think.

I have no idea how the language in that code might be interpreted by the courts but it doesn't matter. There is no chance of her being prosecuted unless Trump and the down-ticket Republican candidates win.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 13, 2016, 03:20:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 13, 2016, 01:14:52 PM

I imagine this will come up if when Hillary wins the election. For those too lazy to look up US Code 18-2071 here is what it says:

The laws don't apply to the Clintons.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 13, 2016, 03:25:02 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 13, 2016, 03:13:48 PM

I have no idea how the language in that code might be interpreted by the courts but it doesn't matter. There is no chance of her being prosecuted unless Trump and the down-ticket Republican candidates win.

Read the statute again. It doesn't require a conviction. Either you did it or you didn't do it. The FBI already has confirmed that as Secretary of State she destroyed government records. Any trial would be a formality. Therefore according to the statute, she is not eligible to server as President of the United States.

I don't think this will go away easily.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 13, 2016, 04:46:36 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 13, 2016, 03:25:02 PM

It doesn't require a conviction.

Dispensing with trials would be a great way to reduce the backlogs in our courts.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 13, 2016, 05:31:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 13, 2016, 01:48:11 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 13, 2016, 01:20:43 PM
I guess my question is who will you vote for?

I've said it from day 1 - Trump is "uniquely unqualified" to be president of the United States.

His behavior on the campaign trail and his record of past behavior has proven that an accurate assessment.

As of right now, I consider the whole election "damage control" for the Republican Party. The Republican Party needs to immediately cease all monetary expenditures on the Trump campaign and refocus them on keeping 51 Republican Senators and a solid majority in the House. If we do that, there is really not much permanent damage Hillary can do for the first 2 years.

As for my vote, I will vote for the candidate that will be most likely to nominate federal judges that interpret the Constitution as written in the mold of Antonin Scalia to the federal bench at all levels. Obama has proven that American can survive 8 years of a horrible President; which I'm convinced both Trump and Clinton will be horrible Presidents. What America cannot survive is a President that will pack the federal courts full of 40ish year old progressive-minded judges that will negatively impact the laws of our country for the next 25-40 years.

As you might surmise, accomplishing that goal will require me to hold my nose, choke back the vomit in my throat and reluctantly acquiesce to vote for the Republican nominee in spite of his total unsuitability and obvious mental instability.

So after all these months of your voluminous posts from your anti Trump bandstand you are voting for the man himself. :bow:
:ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 13, 2016, 07:11:13 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 13, 2016, 04:46:36 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 13, 2016, 03:25:02 PM
It doesn't require a conviction.

Dispensing with trials would be a great way to reduce the backlogs in our courts.

From a Man for all Seasons regarding the trial of Sir (Saint) Thomas More.

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 13, 2016, 07:45:26 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 13, 2016, 05:31:52 PM

So after all these months of your voluminous posts from your anti Trump bandstand you are voting for the man himself.

What other option do I have? Vote for Hillary? No way in hell.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 13, 2016, 10:40:10 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 13, 2016, 07:45:26 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 13, 2016, 05:31:52 PM
So after all these months of your voluminous posts from your anti Trump bandstand you are voting for the man himself.

What other option do I have? Vote for Hillary? No way in hell.

Better the devil you know... so to say??

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 14, 2016, 01:48:28 AM

Well done Shakespear, you saw the water!

It might be too late though; if you and a few others had understood that tides are inevitable then what we are about to see would not have happened. You were tricked, you were complicit in the trickery but I don't think that you initiated the process in yourself.

Trump is not going to be the next president of the United States; not even if he gets a majority of votes in the general election. People who you respected and looked up to have made sure of it.

Look, I have no way to know if Trump could be a good president for the United States but he is the only way that change will occur. Kinda like the last spin of the wheel with the last £20 bet on 0.

Right now, every organ of state, every handle upon the levers of influence in your once great country is now working as hard as they can to avoid what is the wish of the American people.
There's so much evidence of this, from rigged polls, to wilful ignorance of the law, to (no longer) secret collusion between branches of the justice system, to ongoing cover ups of wrong doing by the media and last, but by no means least, a concerted effort to create a situation wherein the US and its people can be cast as being under threat from an external power - Russia.

I am seeing a lion being attacked by hyenas. The lion might fight, he will fight, he is strong, but enough hyenas and he will fall.

What we are seeing in the United States is not an election, perhaps, throughout this cycle, it never has been. We already know about the collusion between Team Clinton and the Democrat Party hierarchy to deny Sanders and his supporters that to which they were almost certainly entitled. We have seen media confess to manipulating their coverage to support that end.

On the Republican side we have seen similar processes at work and, absent huge grass roots support for Trump and the hope with which millions have embodied him, then the Republicans would have attained the goal that the Democrats achieved.

Good or bad, it is my belief that the world needs to see 'anyone but Clinton' as the next president of the United States. That status quo for the exceptional people is no longer a viable option in a changed world. Trump's public stance has told us that, on the whole, he understands this and seeks a new accommodation with the world.

I expect that we are going to see something very nasty happen in the next few weeks, people are going to die in large numbers in a 'surprising' manner. There's only so much that Russian diplomatic leadership can attain, only so many fingers to be rammed in so many dykes. Even with, as we are now seeing, Chinese assistance, the dam is going to break, somewhere.

We are going to see a Clinton presidency again, for the third and last time.

I hope that I am wrong, but there's too many hyenas and only one lion!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 14, 2016, 02:19:15 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 13, 2016, 07:45:26 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 13, 2016, 05:31:52 PM
So after all these months of your voluminous posts from your anti Trump bandstand you are voting for the man himself.

What other option do I have? Vote for Hillary? No way in hell.

If others take a similar stance, then there e is hope.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 14, 2016, 06:50:01 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 14, 2016, 01:48:28 AM

Good or bad, it is my belief that the world needs to see 'anyone but Clinton' as the next president of the United States. That status quo for the exceptional people is no longer a viable option in a changed world. Trump's public stance has told us that, on the whole, he understands this and seeks a new accommodation with the world.

I expect that we are going to see something very nasty happen in the next few weeks, people are going to die in large numbers in a 'surprising' manner. There's only so much that Russian diplomatic leadership can attain, only so many fingers to be rammed in so many dykes. Even with, as we are now seeing, Chinese assistance, the dam is going to break, somewhere.

We are going to see a Clinton presidency again, for the third and last time.

I hope that I am wrong, but there's too many hyenas and only one lion!

I suspect Andrew you are correct ~ in the other sense I hope as well you are wrong.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 14, 2016, 07:28:52 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 14, 2016, 02:19:15 AM

If others take a similar stance, then there e is hope.

There was no hope when he was named the nominee at the convention.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 14, 2016, 07:38:13 AM

We don't have long to wait to see if "people are going to die in large numbers in a 'surprising' manner." Of course, we have to take such predictions with a grain of salt, just like the predictions that Trump would win by a landslide or win at all.

Shakey is one of the few who called it correctly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 14, 2016, 08:01:00 AM

By now, it should be apparent that this poll is, in fact, a reflection of the RUA demographic and fails to represent the preferences of the American people. The obvious conclusion is that older, white male Conservatives are disproportionately represented amongst MOBers. I suspect that the futility of a man with Conservative leanings marrying a woman from a different culture has gone over a lot of heads.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 14, 2016, 08:03:11 AM

http://linkis.com/redstatewatcher.com/vsDow

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 14, 2016, 08:06:58 AM

https://twitter.com/TheDonaldNews/status/786745682761691136

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 14, 2016, 08:13:28 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 14, 2016, 08:06:58 AM

https://twitter.com/TheDonaldNews/status/786745682761691136

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 14, 2016, 08:28:46 AM

No, he did not call it correctly. As yet, a call has not been made.

Here's something worth a read. I was surprised to see it, but here you go: http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-press-buries-hillary-clintons-sins-1476401308

As I see it the increasingly obvious machinations to support a criminal traitor tell us that Trump's support is huge. Even when the populace is as controlled as it is there is still a huge risk when there is such large scale corruption. These steps would not be taken if Clinton was actually in a position to win a clean(ish) general election.

I hope that my depressive post earlier is proven wrong. That article linked above was encouraging. Truth be told, from several thousand miles away I fell victim to the propaganda against the American people. I ain't even American.

As to the 'large number of people dying' well, we are already seeing a ramping up of lies and innuendo (on the moderate end) to outright threats from the more mainstream of state outlets. Of course I am not telling the future, casting runes or doing astrology - I was commenting upon past performance from the United States as an indicator of future expectations. If what is needed to push a dying Clinton across the finish line is a nice little bit of death and destruction, in addition to the running global tally, then that's what we will see.

My mistake was in not taking as seriously as I should the willingness, nay eagerness, of people in power to betray the American people. I simply did not believe that I could expect to see what we are now seeing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 14, 2016, 09:27:33 AM

Pence: 'Something missing' from polls showing Trump trailing

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/mike-pence-polls-something-missing-229787

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 14, 2016, 10:06:55 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 14, 2016, 07:28:52 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 14, 2016, 02:19:15 AM
If others take a similar stance, then there e is hope.

There was no hope when he was named the nominee at the convention.

Why bother voting then?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on October 14, 2016, 12:55:04 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 11, 2016, 11:01:44 AM

......And not in the 'fun' way, like with a lady.
B/B

Oh BB mate, you've just screwed yourself out of a presidency with that banter!! ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 14, 2016, 03:08:11 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 14, 2016, 10:06:55 AM

Why bother voting then?

Because thousands of Americans over the last 240 years have given their lives to protect the rights we enjoy as Americans.

Voting is one of those rights.

Further, if you don't vote you have no right to complain when somebody you don't like gets elected to office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 14, 2016, 03:09:25 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 14, 2016, 07:38:13 AM

Shakey is one of the few who called it correctly.

You didn't have to be a genius to make that call.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 14, 2016, 05:40:57 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 14, 2016, 08:13:28 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 14, 2016, 08:06:58 AM
https://twitter.com/TheDonaldNews/status/786745682761691136

:ROFL:

PA and CO are both in play, at the least. Other states I don't know about.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 14, 2016, 09:40:04 PM

I think we will see millions of Shakespeare's voting not necessarily for Trump, but casting their vote against Hillary.
If you combine the millions of Trump supporters, and the millions that can't stand Hillary, you have a real contest.

Professor With Perfect Prediction Record Says Trump Will Win Presidency

https://www.wbez.org/shows/morning-shift/professor-with-perfect-prediction-record-says-trump-will-win-presidency/18bf146b-e7a6-4a21-81e2-57151d11be9a

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 14, 2016, 10:12:09 PM

WTF!

"Lichtman said the winner is largely determined by whether the populace is satisfied with how the president’s party has performed. In this case, the Democrats."

The majority of the populace is satisfied with the way that Obama has performed but the approval rating for the Republican-controlled Congress is abysmal. The author is a crank.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 15, 2016, 01:11:47 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 14, 2016, 10:12:09 PM

WTF!

"Lichtman said the winner is largely determined by whether the populace is satisfied with how the president’s party has performed. In this case, the Democrats."

The majority of the populace is satisfied with the way that Obama has performed but the approval rating for the Republican-controlled Congress is abysmal. The author is a crank.

I can think of at least, oh, I dunno, 1 million people, who just got tossed off of ObamaCare-forced health plans, who might not be satisfied.

Plus everyone who used to have a "Cadillac" plan because they worked hard to earn that as a perk; and many others, including anyone who saw sleazebag MIT economist Jonathan Gruber's opinions on how they had to jigger the wording in order to avoid it being called a tax, on youtube.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 15, 2016, 01:16:32 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 14, 2016, 03:08:11 PM

Further, if you don't vote you have no right to complain when somebody you don't like gets elected to office.

But this time, even if you vote, it will be true. You don't like either candidate, in fact, you strongly dislike both candidates.

Voting 3d party would be the obvious 'protest' then, if you bother to vote anyway.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 15, 2016, 05:34:32 AM

Quote from: Markje on October 15, 2016, 01:16:32 AM

Voting 3d party would be the obvious 'protest' then, if you bother to vote anyway.

Very true. That was my initial plan.

But on closer examination, Gary Johnson proved to be completely ignorant on world affairs and Jill Stein is a tree-hugging whack job.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 15, 2016, 07:16:26 AM

Quote from: Slumba on October 15, 2016, 01:11:47 AM

I can think of at least, oh, I dunno, 1 million people, who just got tossed off of ObamaCare-forced health plans, who might not be satisfied.

Plus everyone who used to have a "Cadillac" plan because they worked hard to earn that as a perk; and many others, including anyone who saw sleazebag MIT economist Jonathan Gruber's opinions on how they had to jigger the wording in order to avoid it being called a tax, on youtube.

You can't be serious! Obama is tracking at +7 and Congress is -62.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 15, 2016, 09:49:47 AM

Vindicated again! Emails show Hillary DID start ‘Obama’s a Muslim’ gossip, and that’s not all she stirred up.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/10/15/vindicated-emails-show-hillary-start-obamas-muslim-gossip-thats-not-stirred-400781

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on October 15, 2016, 10:50:17 AM

Not often I comment on the POTUS but the media frenzy on Trump sexually assaulting women is now proving the obvious.

That the establishment will do ANYTHING to discredit Trump.

Now even the "Marching Morons" can see that most of this is phony and that's a problem...

The Remain Camp in the Brexit campaign made ever more dire predictions on what would happen if we left and they went too far and discredited their whole position.

The USA establishment is making the same mistake now I think.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 15, 2016, 11:12:28 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 14, 2016, 08:01:00 AM

a man with Conservative leanings marrying a woman from a different culture has gone over a lot of heads.

Do you mean a 70 ish bloke marrying a somewhat hot Slavic woman? I'll give him props for that alone and being able to hold it together (despite it being about the money). Many blokes half his age would give a limb for a wife as hot as Melania.

The US has always embraced productive immigrants, and indeed is built on immigration. Didn't someone once say “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 15, 2016, 11:21:01 AM

I am coming to the conclusion that my disillusionment post came at the high water of untruthiness in the campaign against Trump.

Over the past day or so I get the impression that there is some kind of change going on. A push back, yes from Trump and his team but also from a wider caucus. I was impressed by Trumps speech about the events and about the criminal Clintons. I was impressed by his call to the American people. He seems to be wrapping himself up as some kind of messianic figure uniting the American people against traitors and criminal deceivers. I think that his call is being answered.

For sure though the mask of his opponents is being ripped away and it is hard to deny the corruption in the process any longer.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 15, 2016, 11:23:25 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 14, 2016, 08:03:11 AM

http://linkis.com/redstatewatcher.com/vsDow

BREAKING! Wikileaks exposes the Assassination of Scalia and it could bring down the Clintons and the Democratic Party!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 15, 2016, 11:25:23 AM

Quote from: Slumba on October 14, 2016, 05:40:57 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 14, 2016, 08:13:28 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 14, 2016, 08:06:58 AM
https://twitter.com/TheDonaldNews/status/786745682761691136

:ROFL:

PA and CO are both in play, at the least. Other states I don't know about.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/weekly_updates/what_they_told_us_oct15

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 15, 2016, 11:26:08 AM

To be fair, his wife would seem to be pretty capable in her own right. Would she be where she is absent his support? No, but she is doing pretty well; Trump does not suffer fools. She is no fool.

In her position all she needed to do was breed a new generation and look beautiful while doing so. She chose to do much more. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 15, 2016, 11:28:18 AM

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/13/moment-reckoning-donald-trump-independence-day-hand-arrives-finally-nov-8th/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 15, 2016, 11:30:32 AM

Quote from: leslied on October 15, 2016, 10:50:17 AM

Not often I comment on the POTUS but the media frenzy on Trump sexually assaulting women is now proving the obvious.

That the establishment will do ANYTHING to discredit Trump.

Now even the "Marching Morons" can see that most of this is phony and that's a problem...

The Remain Camp in the Brexit campaign made ever more dire predictions on what would happen if we left and they went too far and discredited their whole position.

The USA establishment is making the same mistake now I think.

why would "do anything".

Quote from: Confederate on October 15, 2016, 11:23:25 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 14, 2016, 08:03:11 AM
http://linkis.com/redstatewatcher.com/vsDow

BREAKING! Wikileaks exposes the Assassination of Scalia and it could bring down the Clintons and the Democratic Party!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 15, 2016, 11:48:08 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 15, 2016, 07:16:26 AM

Quote from: Slumba on October 15, 2016, 01:11:47 AM
I can think of at least, oh, I dunno, 1 million people, who just got tossed off of ObamaCare-forced health plans, who might not be satisfied.

Plus everyone who used to have a "Cadillac" plan because they worked hard to earn that as a perk; and many others, including anyone who saw sleazebag MIT economist Jonathan Gruber's opinions on how they had to jigger the wording in order to avoid it being called a tax, on youtube.

You can't be serious! Obama is tracking at +7 and Congress is -62.

say who?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 15, 2016, 11:52:59 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 14, 2016, 08:13:28 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 14, 2016, 08:06:58 AM
https://twitter.com/TheDonaldNews/status/786745682761691136

:ROFL:

your map, who drew it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 15, 2016, 12:03:50 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 15, 2016, 11:28:18 AM

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/13/moment-reckoning-donald-trump-independence-day-hand-arrives-finally-nov-8th/

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 15, 2016, 12:07:00 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 15, 2016, 11:12:28 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 14, 2016, 08:01:00 AM
a man with Conservative leanings marrying a woman from a different culture has gone over a lot of heads.

Do you mean a 70 ish bloke marrying a somewhat hot Slavic woman? I'll give him props for that alone and being able to hold it together (despite it being about the money). Many blokes half his age would give a limb for a wife as hot as Melania.

The US has always embraced productive immigrants, and indeed is built on immigration. Didn't someone once say “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”?

That comment coming from 2T is pretty laughable.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 15, 2016, 01:23:46 PM

Took a survey Newsmax has out of curiosity, results below shows Trump crushing Hillary.

Who do you support for President between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton?

Donald Trump208,169(78%)

Hillary Clinton56,972(21%) Visit Newsmax’s mobile homepageBreaking News at Newsmax.com

http://www.newsmax.com/m/Surveys/Results/id/324/#ixzz4NBPeO2kT Urgent: Do You Back Trump or Hillary? Vote Here Now!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 15, 2016, 01:25:01 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 15, 2016, 11:48:08 AM

say who?

realclearpolitics.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 15, 2016, 01:33:44 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 15, 2016, 11:52:59 AM

your map, who drew it?

Presumably, an employee of RealClearPolitics.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 15, 2016, 01:35:09 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 15, 2016, 12:07:00 PM

That comment coming from 2T is pretty laughable.

It would be more humorous if I was a Conservative.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 15, 2016, 02:16:42 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 15, 2016, 01:35:09 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 15, 2016, 12:07:00 PM
That comment coming from 2T is pretty laughable.

It would be more humorous if I was a Conservative.

Not really.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: bagalia on October 15, 2016, 02:34:31 PM

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/264499/clinton-record-john-perazzo

Normally I wouldn't want to foist 30-40 pages on any person but this article is like a bible on what is wrong with Hillary concerning only the last decade. You could of course write two books on all she has done since Bill was Governor of Arkansas.

I think it is well written. There are two to three paragraphs for each separate subject and each has its own bookmarks to back up its accusations. It reads fairly easily but the length of it all means many will need to take a break halfway through.

It should be required reading for this election or perhaps serve as an indictment for her upcoming trial.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 15, 2016, 03:55:52 PM

Quote from: bagalia on October 15, 2016, 02:34:31 PM

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/264499/clinton-record-john-perazzo

Normally I wouldn't want to foist 30-40 pages on any person but this article is like a bible on what is wrong with Hillary concerning only the last decade. You could of course write two books on all she has done since Bill was Governor of Arkansas.

I think it is well written. There are two to three paragraphs for each separate subject and each has its own bookmarks to back up its accusations. It reads fairly easily but the length of it all means many will need to take a break halfway through.

It should be required reading for this election or perhaps serve as an indictment for her upcoming trial.

Thanks for posting the link. It's a very interesting read.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on October 16, 2016, 03:58:29 AM

It would be interesting to see the Trumpard win next month. However it would be the worst choice for America, he would embarrass America on the world's stage.
But with so many followers on here who think he's the man, after all the daily bile he spits is pretty much the way the Putin surfs all think as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 16, 2016, 04:49:36 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on October 16, 2016, 03:58:29 AM

It would be interesting to see the Trumpard win next month. However it would be the worst choice for America, he would embarrass America on the world's stage.
But with so many followers on here who think he's the man, after all the daily bile he spits is pretty much the way the Putin surfs all think as well.

I think trump would make one of the worst presidents ever, but I think hillary would be the most evil president. Therefore , better Trump.

Someone that lets American soldiers die (at least 12 as a direct result of!) , just to push her own political agenda doesn't deserve to be president. Not ever!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on October 16, 2016, 06:08:07 AM

Quote from: leslied on October 15, 2016, 10:50:17 AM

Not often I comment on the POTUS but the media frenzy on Trump sexually assaulting women is now proving the obvious.

That the establishment will do ANYTHING to discredit Trump.

Now even the "Marching Morons" can see that most of this is phony and that's a problem...

The Remain Camp in the Brexit campaign made ever more dire predictions on what would happen if we left and they went too far and discredited their whole position.

The USA establishment is making the same mistake now I think.

I completely agree with this. There's a bit of an anti-establishment movement going on in the western world, or it seems this way at least.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 16, 2016, 08:41:19 AM

Quote from: rosco on October 16, 2016, 06:08:07 AM

I completely agree with this. There's a bit of an anti-establishment movement going on in the western world, or it seems this way at least.

Yes, I think that you are right. I think the driving forces are different in the USA and Europe though; albeit that in both cases the results is schismatic.

In Europe we are seeing a bottom upward tendency toward smaller political units which is coming as a reaction to increased top down tendency toward a larger political unit. This trend has been visible for a decade or two but has recently become much stronger with Brexit being the most visible external sign thus far.

In the USA I think that what we are seeing is a fracturing of society along wealth (and as a subsidiary - race) lines. Wealth might be a visible indicator of a more hidden grouping though - power or caste.

In both cases those at the top are now rather frightened - hence the panicking we saw during the UK's referendum, and afterward, and the reaction to the popular, but deliberately undercounted, support for Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 16, 2016, 09:02:09 AM

If one is to believe the mainstream media, Clinton has a 7 to 11percent lead. Yet there's a very large discrepancy with results of on line voting.
Here's another random site and the results, Trump again crushing Clinton.

Donald Trump 55.73% (21,065 votes) Hillary Clinton 39.98% (15,110 votes) I don't know. 1.86% (703 votes) Gary Johnson 0.91% (345 votes) Jill Stein 0.71% (268 votes) Someone else 0.6% (225 votes) Evan McMullin 0.21% (82 votes) Total Votes: 37,798

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/poll_will_clinton_or_trump_win_the_presidential_election_in_a_month.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 16, 2016, 09:59:35 AM

Assuming that the online polls are not themselves monkeyed with then they present an interesting case. Unlike 'normal' opinion polls they are self selecting, that is people have to actively choose to take part and so they are likely to be people with greater motivation. This goes to comments made by Pence the other day about how, in the opinion of Team Trump, the opinion polls were missing a significant slice of the electorate. The missing slice being those who were motivated to see Trump succeed. All else being equal and assuming that the run of opinion polls were not either biased or using inaccurate methodology then one might, I think, expect to see that online polls and opinion polling were in broad agreement - but they are not.

My guess is that the online polls, in aggregate, are showing something of the truth, probably better than the mainstream opinion pollsters are doing. Remember the opinion polls are now being used as a tool of persuasion, just as with Sanders: the idea being to persuade Trump supporters, or those who are minded to vote for him, that to do so is pointless and so they should either not turn out, or vote for ANY of the other candidates, all of whom would become, in effect, a Clinton vote.

At this time, I think that an observer seeking understanding of the position in numeric terms should either ignore the opinion polls entirely or only consider them if one has access to the raw data and the methodology used to construct the poll as well as the computing resources to crunch the numbers. In effect, of course, that means ignoring the opinion polling as none of us has the resources to interpret the data, even if we could lay our hands on it.

The online polls, I think, provide the sanity check that observers need: Trump is still ahead in the popular vote. There will be much, much, more monkey business and the likelihood of a significant external event being manufactured is rising.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 16, 2016, 10:34:05 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 16, 2016, 09:59:35 AM

Assuming that the online polls are not themselves monkeyed with then they present an interesting case. Unlike 'normal' opinion polls they are self selecting, that is people have to actively choose to take part and so they are likely to be people with greater motivation. This goes to comments made by Pence the other day about how, in the opinion of Team Trump, the opinion polls were missing a significant slice of the electorate. The missing slice being those who were motivated to see Trump succeed. All else being equal and assuming that the run of opinion polls were not either biased or using inaccurate methodology then one might, I think, expect to see that online polls and opinion polling were in broad agreement - but they are not.

My guess is that the online polls, in aggregate, are showing something of the truth, probably better than the mainstream opinion pollsters are doing. Remember the opinion polls are now being used as a tool of persuasion, just as with Sanders: the idea being to persuade Trump supporters, or those who are minded to vote for him, that to do so is pointless and so they should either not turn out, or vote for ANY of the other candidates, all of whom would become, in effect, a Clinton vote.

At this time, I think that an observer seeking understanding of the position in numeric terms should either ignore the opinion polls entirely or only consider them if one has access to the raw data and the methodology used to construct the poll as well as the computing resources to crunch the numbers. In effect, of course, that means ignoring the opinion polling as none of us has the resources to interpret the data, even if we could lay our hands on it.

The online polls, I think, provide the sanity check that observers need: Trump is still ahead in the popular vote. There will be much, much, more monkey business and the likelihood of a significant external event being manufactured is rising.

Trump will easily win popular vote yet remains to be seen if Hillary already bribed electoral college. There will also be massive voter fraud it is methodology of Clinton machine.

https://twitter.com/HalleyBorderCol/status/785762562398785536/video/1?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=mehulkamdar&utm_content=787679597701632003

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Boris on October 16, 2016, 01:00:21 PM

Though it is possible to win the election without gaining a majority of the popular vote it is extremely rare. "Buying" off the electoral college? I don't even have a comment for how ludicrous this sounds (well, I guess I did)...Hillary will win a clear majority in the popular vote and have a substantial majority in the electoral vote. Demographics were always against Trump and now he has succeeded in giving Hillary popular sympathy. Something I thought was impossible. This is the first Presidential election I will be sitting out since I have been eligible to vote unless the GOP can dig Ike up and put him on the ballot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 16, 2016, 01:34:12 PM

While I am sure that it is unlikely that bags of money will change hands at the Electoral College stage I confess that I have come to admire the the US electoral system. If one wanted to devise a system that was more open to corruption it would be hard!

The US system with all these stages and levels at which it is possible for a small number of actors to be suborned creates a system where a concerted, small change, at each level, all giving impetus in the same direction leads, overall, to an outcome that is very different to the 'real' outcome, the choice of voters. Each level is open to interference with little chance of discovery, or if discovered, small chance of being over turned.

If one wants transparency, incorruptibility, then go for as few stages as possible and have transparency with fixed outcome paths at each stage.

And then there's this:

Quote

In states with non-strict voter ID laws, other methods of validation are allowed; this varies by state. Possible alternatives are: signing an affidavit, having a poll worker vouch for voter, having election officials verify a voter's identity after the vote is cast, or having the voter return an inquiry mailed to their reported address.

For some of these states no ID is required at all in order to cast a vote:

Quote

Non-Strict photo ID required in effect: Alabama, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, Rhode Island, South Dakota and Texas.

Non-Strict non-photo ID required in effect: Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Kentucky, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, and Washington.

No ID required to vote at ballot box: California, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, and Washington, D.C.

So, in Arkansas, if somebody at the polling station says she recognises me, I get to vote with no ID whatsoever! Incredible! One can just go trotting round polling stations.

And before anyone mentions the UK, the system is actually pretty good. We all register our name and address on an electoral register and when we vote our name is crossed off the list. It isn't perfect but it means that the can be no multiple voting because if I roll up and somebody has tried to vote using my name then it shows up instantly and can be dealt with.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 16, 2016, 02:14:14 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 16, 2016, 01:34:12 PM

So, in Arkansas, if somebody at the polling station says she recognises me, I get to vote with no ID whatsoever! Incredible! One can just go trotting round polling stations.

{sigh}

No you have to be registered to vote at that precinct.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 16, 2016, 03:59:14 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 16, 2016, 01:34:12 PM

... when we vote our name is crossed off the list.

We have the same system.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 16, 2016, 04:27:23 PM

Maybe this explains Hillary's lead in the polls.

Giuliani on rigged election: 'Dead people generally vote for Democrats'

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/16/politics/rudy-giuliani-rigged-elections-donald-trump/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 16, 2016, 04:30:00 PM

Thanks to Trump's endorsement of violence, we (Americans) have to deal with Trump supporters who are calling for blood if Donald does not get elected. Even some governors are getting into the act.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kentucky-governor-clinton-presidency-may-require-bloodshed/2016/09/13/59b76806-79c9-11e6-8064-c1ddc8a724bb_story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 16, 2016, 05:17:55 PM

re: voter fraud

It is going to be even crazier and far, far worse, than in 2008 when you had armed Black Panthers outside the polling station and the police did nothing.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/11/video-nyc-democratic-official-i-think-theres-a-lot-of-voter-fraud-video/

For one example. The guy in the video has since resigned: Democrats were angry at him due to his revelations.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 16, 2016, 06:58:24 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 16, 2016, 04:27:23 PM

Maybe this explains Hillary's lead in the polls.

Giuliani on rigged election: 'Dead people generally vote for Democrats'

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/16/politics/rudy-giuliani-rigged-elections-donald-trump/index.html

Maybe it doesn't explain Hillary's lead in the polls.

1) Dead people usually don't respond to pollsters so the association is weak.

2) Rudy is the brain-dead bugger who claimed that "Before Obama came along, we didn't have any successful radical Islamic terrorist attack inside the United States."

3) He also stated that he didn't remember Hillary being there after the attack which slipped his mind.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 16, 2016, 07:53:13 PM

Rudy is on a roll:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/16/politics/rudy-giuliani-donald-trump-accusers-clintons/index.html?sr=fbpol101616rudy-giuliani-donald-trump-accusers-clintons0901PMStoryLink&linkId=29998766

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 16, 2016, 09:41:52 PM

Quote from: Boris on October 16, 2016, 01:00:21 PM

Though it is possible to win the election without gaining a majority of the popular vote it is extremely rare. "Buying" off the electoral college? I don't even have a comment for how ludicrous this sounds (well, I guess I did)...Hillary will win a clear majority in the popular vote and have a substantial majority in the electoral vote. Demographics were always against Trump and now he has succeeded in giving Hillary popular sympathy. Something I thought was impossible. This is the first Presidential election I will be sitting out since I have been eligible to vote unless the GOP can dig Ike up and put him on the ballot.

"Boris" you likes the laced Kool aid they's feeding you?? Is you in a coma en jus getting some Kool aid in yer feedin' tube?

you is prolly to far gone to git out of your coma but here'z a place to start.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 16, 2016, 09:49:04 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 16, 2016, 04:30:00 PM

Thanks to Trump's endorsement of violence, we (Americans) have to deal with Trump supporters who are calling for blood if Donald does not get elected. Even some governors are getting into the act.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kentucky-governor-clinton-presidency-may-require-bloodshed/2016/09/13/59b76806-79c9-11e6-8064-c1ddc8a724bb_story.html

wt sam hell you goin' on bout? right here in Dixie land yer violence.

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/republican-headquarters-firebombed-in-north-carolina-authorities/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 16, 2016, 09:51:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 16, 2016, 09:49:04 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 16, 2016, 04:30:00 PM
Thanks to Trump's endorsement of violence, we (Americans) have to deal with Trump supporters who are calling for blood if Donald does not get elected. Even some governors are getting into the act.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kentucky-governor-clinton-presidency-may-require-bloodshed/2016/09/13/59b76806-79c9-11e6-8064-c1ddc8a724bb_story.html

wt sam hell you goin' on bout? right here in Dixie land yer violence.

https://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/republican-headquarters-firebombed-in-north-carolina-authorities/

an here the Clinton News network finally carted the story after settin on it overnight.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/16/politics/north-carolina-gop-office-vandalized/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 16, 2016, 10:53:33 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 16, 2016, 05:17:55 PM

re: voter fraud

It is going to be even crazier and far, far worse, than in 2008 when you had armed Black Panthers outside the polling station and the police did nothing.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/11/video-nyc-democratic-official-i-think-theres-a-lot-of-voter-fraud-video/

For one example. The guy in the video has since resigned: Democrats were angry at him due to his revelations.

vote fraud is least of there plan.

https://twitter.com/graywolf/status/787816288802447361

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 17, 2016, 03:04:35 AM

{sigh}
Brad, some learning for you.

About 25% of US states, including some of the most populous, allow same day registration and not all bother to check those registrations afterward. Apparently it is not unusual for checking, when carried out, to take more than two election cycles. Meaning that, in practice, those 'checks' are worthless. One arrives at a polling station, casts a fraudulent vote and leaves.

Of course, if a voter uses false information to vote there's not much can be done after the fact.

Crosscheck which now works in 28 states had uncovered literally millions of duplicate voter registrations, many are genuine identity coincidences. Many are not.

This is NOT how it is done in the UK.

Some interesting reading for Americans uncertain about how their electoral system works: http://www.aim.org/special-report/voter-fraud-an-existential-threat-to-america/

As I noted up thread, many levels each of which enables a small but concerted degree of corrupt pressure in a chosen direction. The effect being a corrupt system under external control.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 17, 2016, 07:49:40 AM

^ It will take some time to find out if the perpetrators were militant Democrats or Republicans seeking to sway pubic opinion by vandalizing their own office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 17, 2016, 08:00:29 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 16, 2016, 10:53:33 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 16, 2016, 05:17:55 PM
re: voter fraud

It is going to be even crazier and far, far worse, than in 2008 when you had armed Black Panthers outside the polling station and the police did nothing.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/11/video-nyc-democratic-official-i-think-theres-a-lot-of-voter-fraud-video/

For one example. The guy in the video has since resigned: Democrats were angry at him due to his revelations.

vote fraud is least of there plan.

https://twitter.com/graywolf/status/787816288802447361

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/wikileaks-assanges-internet-link-severed-by-state-actor/ar-AAj2Zmi?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 17, 2016, 08:06:02 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 17, 2016, 03:04:35 AM

{sigh}
Brad, some learning for you.

About 25% of US states, including some of the most populous, allow same day registration and not all bother to check those registrations afterward. Apparently it is not unusual for checking, when carried out, to take more than two election cycles. Meaning that, in practice, those 'checks' are worthless. One arrives at a polling station, casts a fraudulent vote and leaves.

Of course, if a voter uses false information to vote there's not much can be done after the fact.

Crosscheck which now works in 28 states had uncovered literally millions of duplicate voter registrations, many are genuine identity coincidences. Many are not.

This is NOT how it is done in the UK.

Some interesting reading for Americans uncertain about how their electoral system works: http://www.aim.org/special-report/voter-fraud-an-existential-threat-to-america/

As I noted up thread, many levels each of which enables a small but concerted degree of corrupt pressure in a chosen direction. The effect being a corrupt system under external control.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 08:23:50 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 17, 2016, 03:04:35 AM

{sigh}
Brad, some learning for you.

About 25% of US states, including some of the most populous, allow same day registration and not all bother to check those registrations afterward. Apparently it is not unusual for checking, when carried out, to take more than two election cycles. Meaning that, in practice, those 'checks' are worthless. One arrives at a polling station, casts a fraudulent vote and leaves.

Of course, if a voter uses false information to vote there's not much can be done after the fact.

Crosscheck which now works in 28 states had uncovered literally millions of duplicate voter registrations, many are genuine identity coincidences. Many are not.

This is NOT how it is done in the UK.

Some interesting reading for Americans uncertain about how their electoral system works: http://www.aim.org/special-report/voter-fraud-an-existential-threat-to-america/

As I noted up thread, many levels each of which enables a small but concerted degree of corrupt pressure in a chosen direction. The effect being a corrupt system under external control.

It only goes to show what a rotten world it is that we live in....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 17, 2016, 08:31:55 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 08:23:50 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 17, 2016, 03:04:35 AM
{sigh}
Brad, some learning for you.

About 25% of US states, including some of the most populous, allow same day registration and not all bother to check those registrations afterward. Apparently it is not unusual for checking, when carried out, to take more than two election cycles. Meaning that, in practice, those 'checks' are worthless. One arrives at a polling station, casts a fraudulent vote and leaves.

Of course, if a voter uses false information to vote there's not much can be done after the fact.

Crosscheck which now works in 28 states had uncovered literally millions of duplicate voter registrations, many are genuine identity coincidences. Many are not.

This is NOT how it is done in the UK.

Some interesting reading for Americans uncertain about how their electoral system works: http://www.aim.org/special-report/voter-fraud-an-existential-threat-to-america/

As I noted up thread, many levels each of which enables a small but concerted degree of corrupt pressure in a chosen direction. The effect being a corrupt system under external control.

It only goes to show what a rotten world it is that we live in....

And will the incompetent democratics start a war over their allegations of russia interfering? Dem's the one who could not keep their secrets secret but the world should have conflict cause "red line in sand" man is upset?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5172559649001/is-the-us-seeking-revenge-for-russian-cyberattacks-/?playlist_id=930909787001#sp=show-clips

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 08:54:02 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 17, 2016, 03:04:35 AM

{sigh}
Brad, some learning for you.

It's so useful to be "schooled" in how the US election system works by a person that has never cast a US election ballot in his life.

I'm learning it's so much better to just ignore than get in to a long drawn out debate with the production of FiFi's mental masturbation.

I believe that you'll find that virtually ALL states that have same day voter registration allow people to cast "provisional ballots" which may or may not be counted depending on the outcome of the check to see if they're legally allowed to vote in that precinct.

And no, I'm not going to debate this topic further with you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 09:03:10 AM

Mailing my written ballot in tomorrow and then I'm done with this horrible election cycle. When I now hear EITHER Clinton or Trump speak, I feeel like I need a shower. If these two are the best choices we can come up with for our nations highest office, then our country is REALLY in serious trouble.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 17, 2016, 09:03:31 AM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 09:28:40 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 09:03:10 AM

[/i] then our country is REALLY in serious trouble.

Not going to say "Told you so", but!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 17, 2016, 09:37:35 AM

Shakespear, you can learn or remain in ignorance.

It is not my job to teach you to tie your shoelaces, I am not your mummy. I assumed that you did actually know something and you ain't paying me enough to school you.

Go away and check how many states only use provisional ballots. The states to which I referred do not do so.

Look mate, your country is being stolen from you and it is being stolen because you don't know enough to be able to do anything about it. That bothers me because it affects me. Because of your complacency and willingness to go along with your 'betters' in their dishonesty earlier in the election cycle you are likely to be stuck with a criminal traitor likely to lead you lot into another war and that one will affect me much more than your silliness in the sandier parts of the world.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 17, 2016, 09:43:43 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 08:54:02 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 17, 2016, 03:04:35 AM
{sigh}
Brad, some learning for you.

It's so useful to be "schooled" in how the US election system works by a person that has never cast a US election ballot in his life.

I'm learning it's so much better to just ignore than get in to a long drawn out debate with the production of FiFi's mental masturbation.

I believe that you'll find that virtually ALL states that have same day voter registration allow people to cast "provisional ballots" which may or may not be counted depending on the outcome of the check to see if they're legally allowed to vote in that precinct.

And no, I'm not going to debate this topic further with you.

Even in sleepy and conservative Lancaster, PA I was told 10 years ago by eyewitnesses of people who were supposed to cast provisional ballots, being allowed to cast regular ones; even over the objections of Republican poll watchers.

If it was happening there 10 years ago, it will happen everywhere this time around.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 09:53:50 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 17, 2016, 09:37:35 AM

Shakespear, you can learn or remain in ignorance.

It is not my job to teach you to tie your shoelaces, I am not your mummy. I assumed that you did actually know something and you ain't paying me enough to school you.

Go away and check how many states only use provisional ballots. The states to which I referred do not do so.

Look mate, your country is being stolen from you and it is being stolen because you don't know enough to be able to do anything about it. That bothers me because it affects me. Because of your complacency and willingness to go along with your 'betters' in their dishonesty earlier in the election cycle you are likely to be stuck with a criminal traitor likely to lead you lot into another war and that one will affect me much more than your silliness in the sandier parts of the world.

WW3, if its happens will not only be in Europe, but the US backyards also...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 17, 2016, 10:13:21 AM

Noooo, not the exceptionals, never the exceptionals!

Seriously though, you are right about that. Problem is that if you are a normal American then you have no idea about that and, in your experience, war is something done in other places and has been for the last 150 years which is, for Americans, like prehistoric - like 3 days after the Good Lord finished creation. Also, I rather doubt that much of what is going on actually reaches our friends in Exceptionalistan.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 10:29:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 17, 2016, 10:13:21 AM

Noooo, not the exceptionals, never the exceptionals!

Seriously though, you are right about that. Problem is that if you are a normal American then you have no idea about that and, in your experience, war is something done in other places and has been for the last 150 years which is, for Americans, like prehistoric - like 3 days after the Good Lord finished creation. Also, I rather doubt that much of what is going on actually reaches our friends in Exceptionalistan.

Blame the Trumpsters.

They're the 35% that took advantage of a flawed primary election procedure and insisted that man who is a complete political nincompoop and suffers from serious narcissistic personality disorders would make a suitable President of the United States.

Thanks to them we're going to have at least 4 years of Hillary Clinton in the White House and hundreds of newly minted progressive federal judges who will make our legislative bodies obsolete with their tendency to believe they have the power make law from the judicial bench.

Thanks guys - for nothing!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 17, 2016, 11:09:38 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 09:28:40 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 09:03:10 AM
[/i] then our country is REALLY in serious trouble.

Not going to say "Told you so", but!!

The penny dropped............

But choosing between the two (as you are), isn't Trump the better option?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 17, 2016, 11:14:34 AM

Rigging the election: some of the DNC dirty tricks exposed.

Including illegal coordination between Democrat HQ and super-PACs; but done in such a way as to be able to "plausibly deny" it.

(http://i.imgur.com/LFuhYgu.png)

Violent protests that result in police officers and others getting hurt, with blood streaming down their faces, property and cars vandalized: basically domestic terrorism:

(http://i.imgur.com/UB5Kyv1.png)

And, abusing mentally ill people for political purposes.

(http://i.imgur.com/vkPzWmw.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 11:33:23 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 17, 2016, 11:09:38 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 09:03:10 AM
[/i] then our country is REALLY in serious trouble.

Not going to say "Told you so", but!!

The penny dropped............

But choosing between the two (as you are), isn't Trump the better option?

Of course....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 17, 2016, 11:46:27 AM

Quote from: Slumba on October 17, 2016, 09:43:43 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 08:54:02 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on October 17, 2016, 03:04:35 AM
{sigh}
Brad, some learning for you.

It's so useful to be "schooled" in how the US election system works by a person that has never cast a US election ballot in his life.

I'm learning it's so much better to just ignore than get in to a long drawn out debate with the production of FiFi's mental masturbation.

I believe that you'll find that virtually ALL states that have same day voter registration allow people to cast "provisional ballots" which may or may not be counted depending on the outcome of the check to see if they're legally allowed to vote in that precinct.

And no, I'm not going to debate this topic further with you.

Even in sleepy and conservative Lancaster, PA I was told 10 years ago by eyewitnesses of people who were supposed to cast provisional ballots, being allowed to cast regular ones; even over the objections of Republican poll watchers.

If it was happening there 10 years ago, it will happen everywhere this time around.

I seen you already posted this but want it out in open!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 17, 2016, 11:48:07 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 10:29:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 17, 2016, 10:13:21 AM
Noooo, not the exceptionals, never the exceptionals!

Seriously though, you are right about that. Problem is that if you are a normal American then you have no idea about that and, in your experience, war is something done in other places and has been for the last 150 years which is, for Americans, like prehistoric - like 3 days after the Good Lord finished creation. Also, I rather doubt that much of what is going on actually reaches our friends in Exceptionalistan.

Blame the Trumpsters.

They're the 35% that took advantage of a flawed primary election procedure and insisted that man who is a complete political nincompoop and suffers from serious narcissistic personality disorders would make a suitable President of the United States.

Thanks to them we're going to have at least 4 years of Hillary Clinton in the White House and hundreds of newly minted progressive federal judges who will make our legislative bodies obsolete with their tendency to believe they have the power make law from the judicial bench.

Thanks guys - for nothing!

Nah. thanks be to yur do nuttin' peoples like McConnel and Ryan. Specially Ryan a total traitor. His wife is democrap and organized fund raisers for Hitlery.

http://drrichswier.com/2016/05/18/mrs-janna-little-ryan-a-liberal-running-the-show-from-the-family-kitchen-table/

and who has greater sin:

http://drrichswier.com/2016/10/17/who-hath-the-greater-sin/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 12:13:35 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 09:28:40 AM

Not going to say "Told you so", but!!

You didn't tell me anything. I think the record will show I've been saying that since Trump ~~stole~~ won the nomination.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 12:24:41 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 17, 2016, 11:48:07 AM

Nah. thanks be to yur do nuttin' peoples like McConnel and Ryan. Specially Ryan a total traitor. His wife is democrap and organized fund raisers for Hitlery.

What was Ryan supposed to do? He got bills passed and sent to the Senate.

Mc Connell needs 60 votes to meet the cloture requirements before a bill can even be brought to the floor of the Senate for a vote.

Then with an Obama veto they need 2/3 in on Both sides of the Congress to override.

Hillary Clinton is the most vulnerable candidate since Walter Mondale. Any number of viable mainstream Republican candidates could have beat her by 10+ percentage points. The polls CLEARLY showed that is a fact! But no - we had to allow the whackjob Trumpsters who controlled 35% of the voter make Trump the nominee - basically the ONLY candidate Clinton can beat.

Wear the badge proudly pal - you deserve it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 12:28:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 12:13:35 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 09:28:40 AM
Not going to say "Told you so", but!!

You didn't tell me anything. I think the record will show I've been saying that since Trump ~~stole~~ won the nomination.

Shakey baby, I think that you may have missed the point...

The point is: That the US is in serious trouble, Financially, Politically, and Economically, NO matter who is the next president, under HC, it will get much worse, as she is most likely to increase spending (Money which the US does not have) on expensive weapons, equipment, star wars stuff, and wars in far off places..

Trump, being a little more business savvy, will no doubt try to restrict said spending and get the national debt down, and your country into a much more economically viable position...

Communications is the key, not threats of war....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 12:32:20 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 12:28:18 PM

Shakey baby, I think that you may have missed the point...

The point is: That the US is in serious trouble, Financially, Politically, and Economically, NO matter who is the next president, under HC, it will get much worse, as she is most likely to increase spending (Money which the US does not have) on expensive weapons, equipment, star wars stuff, and wars in far off places..

Trump, being a little more business savvy, will no doubt try to restrict said spending and get the national debt down, and your country into a much more economically viable position...

Communications is the key, not threats of war....

I think you're missing the point.

The Executive Branch doesn't have a thing to do with how much money the USA spends. Congress is 100% in control of that.

Trump will insist Europe pays their fair share of the mutual defense cost or leave you guys to learn how to speak Russian.

The most important thing for the future of the USA in this election is control of the federal courts at all levels. If you don't understand that, then you don't really understand the issues in this election cycle.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 12:37:54 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 12:32:20 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
Shakey baby, I think that you may have missed the point...

The point is: That the US is in serious trouble, Financially, Politically, and Economically, NO matter who is the next president, under HC, it will get much worse, as she is most likely to increase spending (Money which the US does not have) on expensive weapons, equipment, star wars stuff, and wars in far off places..

Trump, being a little more business savvy, will no doubt try to restrict said spending and get the national debt down, and your country into a much more economically viable position...

Communications is the key, not threats of war....

I think you're missing the point.

Trump will insist Europe pays their fair share of the mutual defense cost or leave you guys to learn how to speak Russian.

I 100% agree with you on that point, either they pay up, or get out..
But I disagree with you that Russia are the chief antagonists here, that Hat 100% falls upon the US's head.. IMHO of course.

Quote from: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 12:32:20 PM

The most important thing for the future of the USA in this election is control of the courts.

The US courts and system of justice leaves much to be desired as it is, It cannot get much worse or more corrupt.
Again IMHO.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 01:16:24 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 12:37:54 PM

But I disagree with you that Russia are the chief antagonists here, that Hat 100% falls upon the US's head.. IMHO of course.

You forget - all Hillary has to do is press the "Reset" button with Russia :ROFL:

Ok. Maybe your lot will have to learn how to speak Arabic as well. But that's a problem of your own causing.

Quote from: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 12:37:54 PM

The US courts and system of justice leaves much to be desired as it is, It cannot get much worse or more corrupt.
Again IMHO.

Not talking about the criminal courts.

It's the Federal District courts, the Federal Appeals Courts and the Supreme Court. The President gets to "nominate" judges for these positions. He/she must do so with the "advice and consent" of the Senate.

A President who is able to successfully confirm a whole covey of young progressive minded federal judges can seriously impact the direction of our country for the next 25-40 years. His/her legacy of court selections will impact or country much longer than anything he or she did while living in the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 17, 2016, 03:58:35 PM

US Election Polls Showing Hillary Leading Are a Fraud

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/hillary-polls-fraud/ri17051

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 17, 2016, 07:34:30 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 12:24:41 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 17, 2016, 11:48:07 AM
Nah. thanks be to yur do nuttin' peoples like McConnel and Ryan. Specially Ryan a total traitor. His wife is democrap and organized fund raisers for Hitlery.

What was Ryan supposed to do? He got bills passed and sent to the Senate.

Mc Connell needs 60 votes to meet the cloture requirements before a bill can even be brought to the floor of the Senate for a vote.

Then with an Obama veto they need 2/3 in on Both sides of the Congress to override.

Hillary Clinton is the most vulnerable candidate since Walter Mondale. Any number of viable mainstream Republican candidates could have beat her by 10+ percentage points. The polls CLEARLY showed that is a fact! But no - we had to allow the whackjob Trumpsters who controlled 35% of the voter make Trump the nominee - basically the ONLY candidate Clinton can beat.

Wear the badge proudly pal - you deserve it.

Yak yak yak. Ryan got stuff passed? Yeah dint he vote to approve Obama care? and more talk about polls? who runs the polls? the main stream "media". They are so far in the tank for H., who bribed FBI guy comey. You wanna talk about a poll that really matters? Most of the FBI people are livid because they know that lyin corrupt skank got off. then there was bill clinton talkin with that obese ag on the tarmac. how convenient was that.

lets also do a poll of active military officers and enlisted, to see how they feel about gen patraious getting convicted, but the lyin skank getting off. you really think the military wants that lyin corrupt stinky parkinsons disease infected skank as a cic? Now lets do a poll of all "flyover" states. you know the ones you bunch think don't matter.

don't know what polls you referring to but the ones which is accurate online show trump winning huge. only if she bribes the electoral college is her only chance to win. Without the media in her pocket she would be at ZERO.

Trump regularly gets 100 thousand crowds, she was lucky to get 3 or 4 thousand. She is a big fat ZERO, but there's you and other treacherous traitors crying about the skank with ZERO cred in the heartland, ZERO cred with the military and ZERO cred with rank and file FBI. And then there's ICE union who endorsed Trump.

Watch the vids posted by myself and other guy about proj. Veritas and tell us again no election fraud? this fellow FiFi has to take you out back woodshed and school you!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 17, 2016, 09:38:44 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 17, 2016, 07:49:40 AM

^ It will take some time to find out if the perpetrators were militant Democrats or Republicans seeking to sway pubic opinion by vandalizing their own office.

You have some nerve. Is the Hitlery paying you for your disinformation? Will show you what I'm talkin bout.,,

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 17, 2016, 09:42:25 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 16, 2016, 04:30:00 PM

Thanks to Trump's endorsement of violence, we (Americans) have to deal with Trump supporters who are calling for blood if Donald does not get elected. Even some governors are getting into the act.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kentucky-governor-clinton-presidency-may-require-bloodshed/2016/09/13/59b76806-79c9-11e6-8064-c1ddc8a724bb_story.html

You got the nerve to clame Trump spread violence? Like I asked, did she pay you for this bad info???

See here is the proof that it was Hitlery which PAID for VIOLENCE. You can see what these dirty dogs been doing on project Veritas video as well the other fellow posted here the same thing but without this description of it!!

http://truthfeed.com/confirmed-hillarys-paid-protesters-pepper-spray-a-small-child-at-a-trump-rally/30169/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 17, 2016, 10:42:22 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 17, 2016, 03:04:35 AM

{sigh}
Brad, some learning for you.

About 25% of US states, including some of the most populous, allow same day registration and not all bother to check those registrations afterward. Apparently it is not unusual for checking, when carried out, to take more than two election cycles. Meaning that, in practice, those 'checks' are worthless. One arrives at a polling station, casts a fraudulent vote and leaves.

Of course, if a voter uses false information to vote there's not much can be done after the fact.

Crosscheck which now works in 28 states had uncovered literally millions of duplicate voter registrations, many are genuine identity coincidences. Many are not.

This is NOT how it is done in the UK.

Some interesting reading for Americans uncertain about how their electoral system works: http://www.aim.org/special-report/voter-fraud-an-existential-threat-to-america/

As I noted up thread, many levels each of which enables a small but concerted degree of corrupt pressure in a chosen direction. The effect being a corrupt system under external control.

The amount of corruption by the Clintons has no limits. On the other page I posted video proving the Clintons have paid for violence at trump rally's. Hillary used her position as sec. state to enrich herself even further then she was already. they then use that money to bribe others to vote more than once. this shakespear character can talk fantasy rules all he wants. Here is reality of peeps being paid to be bussed from precinct to precinct and vote over and over and over. Fraud, intimidation, violence, all in days work for Clinton crime cartel.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 18, 2016, 06:13:53 AM

There will always be some who claim that the polls are fixed. If the actual results validate the poll numbers, they will claim that the election is fixed. After the inauguration, they will insist that Clinton is not their president and will pout like spoilt children for the next four years. The actual problem is that their brains cannot be fixed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 18, 2016, 06:30:43 AM

Tom, that many of the polls are fixed, that is have 'unusual' samples or universes or that the criteria have been altered from poll to poll is not a matter for dispute. It has been happening and has been admitted to.

I think that you already know that though.

Using an election taking place in 4 weeks time to validate polls taken now and in the past is pointless. But,, again, you know that.

That polling has been used as a device to influence the choices of voters is, again, a matter of record. Again though, you already know this stuff.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 18, 2016, 06:42:33 AM

^ It's pointless to discuss "house effect" with hillbilly Jim.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 07:45:32 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 18, 2016, 06:30:43 AM

Tom, that many of the polls are fixed, that is have 'unusual' samples or universes or that the criteria have been altered from poll to poll is not a matter for dispute. It has been happening and has been admitted to.

I think that you already know that though.

Using an election taking place in 4 weeks time to validate polls taken now and in the past is pointless. But,, again, you know that.

That polling has been used as a device to influence the choices of voters is, again, a matter of record. Again though, you already know this stuff.

We apparently now live in a Banana Republic where the ruling party can use violence to intimidate the opposition and get away with it. Not only get away with it but smirk and laugh about it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 09:13:15 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 18, 2016, 06:13:53 AM

There will always be some who claim that the polls are fixed. If the actual results validate the poll numbers, they will claim that the election is fixed. After the inauguration, they will insist that Clinton is not their president and will pout like spoilt children for the next four years. The actual problem is that their brains cannot be fixed.

all these so called "polls" of mainstream crooks in bed with hitlery will only help trump on november 8 because we know H. has low crowds with low enthusiasm.

Meanwhile Trumpsters are going to his rally's in overflow capacity and very determined to turn out a huge amount of "silent majority" "deplorables" "spoilt children" whose "brains cannot be fixed". let's see if dictator Hussein will honor the results and stop the riots of his rioting thugs who behave far worse than "spoilt children".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on October 18, 2016, 09:23:18 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 12:32:20 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
Shakey baby, I think that you may have missed the point...

The point is: That the US is in serious trouble, Financially, Politically, and Economically, NO matter who is the next president, under HC, it will get much worse, as she is most likely to increase spending (Money which the US does not have) on expensive weapons, equipment, star wars stuff, and wars in far off places..

Trump, being a little more business savvy, will no doubt try to restrict said spending and get the national debt down, and your country into a much more economically viable position...

Communications is the key, not threats of war....

I think you're missing the point.

The Executive Branch doesn't have a thing to do with how much money the USA spends. Congress is 100% in control of that.

Trump will insist Europe pays their fair share of the mutual defense cost or leave you guys to learn how to speak Russian.

The most important thing for the future of the USA in this election is control of the federal courts at all levels. If you don't understand that, then you don't really understand the issues in this election cycle.

To defend from what?? You're assuming Putin wants to crush us all like the US comic books tell you.

I think you don't get it....poor you soaking up Uncle Sam's BS. :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 18, 2016, 09:41:47 AM

It's a symptom.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 09:43:30 AM

Quote from: rosco on October 18, 2016, 09:23:18 AM

To defend from what??

Answer that question when you're pulled over for a minor traffic offense and you find out that the court in that jurisdiction practices Sharia Law.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 18, 2016, 09:45:32 AM

Quote from: rosco on October 18, 2016, 09:23:18 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 12:32:20 PM
Quote from: Gipsy on October 17, 2016, 12:28:18 PM
Shakey baby, I think that you may have missed the point...

The point is: That the US is in serious trouble, Financially, Politically, and Economically, NO matter who is the next president, under HC, it will get much worse, as she is most likely to increase spending (Money which the US does not have) on expensive weapons, equipment, star wars stuff, and wars in far off places..

Trump, being a little more business savvy, will no doubt try to restrict said spending and get the national debt down, and your country into a much more economically viable position...

Communications is the key, not threats of war....

I think you're missing the point.

The Executive Branch doesn't have a thing to do with how much money the USA spends. Congress is 100% in control of that.

Trump will insist Europe pays their fair share of the mutual defense cost or leave you guys to learn how to speak Russian.

The most important thing for the future of the USA in this election is control of the federal courts at all levels. If you don't understand that, then you don't really understand the issues in this election cycle.

To defend from what?? You're assuming Putin wants to crush us all like the US comic books tell you.

I think you don't get it....poor you soaking up Uncle Sam's BS. :'(

Rosco on the money as ever.

Quote from: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 09:43:30 AM

Quote from: rosco on October 18, 2016, 09:23:18 AM
To defend from what??

Answer that question when you're pulled over for a minor traffic offense and you find out that the court in that jurisdiction practices Sharia Law.

That is many decades away if ever. We'll have all moved to Oz by then.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 10:03:51 AM

Quote from: Manny

That is many decades away if ever. We'll have all moved to Oz by then.

Sadly, Oz is going the same way. Siberia might be a better option. The fuzzie muzzies won't want to freeze their foreskins in those climes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 10:44:53 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 09:43:30 AM

Quote from: rosco on October 18, 2016, 09:23:18 AM
To defend from what??

Answer that question when you're pulled over for a minor traffic offense and you find out that the court in that jurisdiction practices Sharia Law.

I am more worried bout that happenin' right here in USSA, especially with this:

http://conservativetribune.com/fbi-docs-confirm-shadow-govt/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=conserv_tribune

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 10:54:01 AM

Wiki leaks show coordinated relationship between super PAC's and the Clinton campaign, against the law of the land. Any "mainstream" media coverage of this? Nah.

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/18/hillary-superpac-coordination/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 10:57:26 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 10:03:51 AM

Quote from: Manny
That is many decades away if ever. We'll have all moved to Oz by then.

Sadly, Oz is going the same way. Siberia might be a better option. The fuzzie muzzies won't want to freeze their foreskins in those climes.

Siberia in the summer, Vietnam or Thailand winter time? :plane:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 11:03:43 AM

Moments ago wiki leaks released an open insurance file.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-18/wikileaks-appears-have-just-released-its-first-insurance-file-fully-open-and-unencry

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 11:07:52 AM

Quote from: Slumba on October 17, 2016, 09:43:43 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 08:54:02 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on October 17, 2016, 03:04:35 AM
{sigh}
Brad, some learning for you.

It's so useful to be "schooled" in how the US election system works by a person that has never cast a US election ballot in his life.

I'm learning it's so much better to just ignore than get in to a long drawn out debate with the production of FiFi's mental masturbation.

I believe that you'll find that virtually ALL states that have same day voter registration allow people to cast "provisional ballots" which may or may not be counted depending on the outcome of the check to see if they're legally allowed to vote in that precinct.

And no, I'm not going to debate this topic further with you.

Even in sleepy and conservative Lancaster, PA I was told 10 years ago by eyewitnesses of people who were supposed to cast provisional ballots, being allowed to cast regular ones; even over the objections of Republican poll watchers.

If it was happening there 10 years ago, it will happen everywhere this time around.

BREAKING NEWS: Emperor Hussein rigs election w/ votes from 4 MILLION dead people.

http://endingthefed.com/breaking-fox-news-found-out-obama-rigged-an-election-with-4-million-illegal-votes.html#.WAZSoQjsUIs.twitter

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 11:16:38 AM

How Crook Hillary ran the clinton "pay to play" foundation (and why those emails were first put on her own private server and then disappeared)

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Get rich quick! Crooked Hillary Clinton's pay to play guide: <a href="https://t.co/uKh5sCFfrv">pic.twitter.com/uKh5sCFfrv</a></p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/788150475258343424">October 17, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 11:25:38 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 12:24:41 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 17, 2016, 11:48:07 AM
Nah. thanks be to yur do nuttin' peoples like McConnel and Ryan. Specially Ryan a total traitor. His wife is democrap and organized fund raisers for Hitlery.

What was Ryan supposed to do? He got bills passed and sent to the Senate.

Mc Connell needs 60 votes to meet the cloture requirements before a bill can even be brought to the floor of the Senate for a vote.

Then with an Obama veto they need 2/3 in on Both sides of the Congress to override.

Hillary Clinton is the most vulnerable candidate since Walter Mondale. Any number of viable mainstream Republican candidates could have beat her by 10+ percentage points. The polls CLEARLY showed that is a fact! But no - we had to allow the whackjob Trumpsters who controlled 35% of the voter make Trump the nominee - basically the ONLY candidate Clinton can beat.

Wear the badge proudly pal - you deserve it.

You wear that badge "good buddy" here is what collusion w/ Emperor Hussen got us. First time EVER that a US Prez could not produce 3% GDP growth in a year.

30,000,000 jobs that were here prior to Obama are now gone from the USA completely. Yes, that means Obama and the Establishment drove those jobs to foreign lands.
Back to 1994 and we see that even the BLS reported 132,323,000 permanent jobs, yet 24 years later in 2016 we only have 144,747,000 jobs despite the population increase of 74,000,000
- 96,000,000 unemployed
- 130,000,000 under-employed
- Our manufacturing base is lagging other industrialized nations by 33%
- Our GDP growth is less than half that of Algeria and Uganda!
- Americans have less buying power than they did in 1970
- Average work week has increased from 40 hours to 57.5 hours

WEAR that badge PROUD like you own it, you collaborator.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 11:41:40 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 11:25:38 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 17, 2016, 12:24:41 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 17, 2016, 11:48:07 AM
Nah. thanks be to yur do nuttin' peoples like McConnel and Ryan. Specially Ryan a total traitor. His wife is democrap and organized fund raisers for Hitlery.

What was Ryan supposed to do? He got bills passed and sent to the Senate.

Mc Connell needs 60 votes to meet the cloture requirements before a bill can even be brought to the floor of the Senate for a vote.

Then with an Obama veto they need 2/3 in on Both sides of the Congress to override.

Hillary Clinton is the most vulnerable candidate since Walter Mondale. Any number of viable mainstream Republican candidates could have beat her by 10+ percentage points. The polls CLEARLY showed that is a fact! But no - we had to allow the whackjob Trumpsters who controlled 35% of the voter make Trump the nominee - basically the ONLY candidate Clinton can beat.

Wear the badge proudly pal - you deserve it.

You wear that badge "good buddy" here is what collusion w/ Emperor Hussen got us. First time EVER that a US Prez could not produce 3% GDP growth in a year.

30,000,000 jobs that were here prior to Obama are now gone from the USA completely. Yes, that means Obama and the Establishment drove those jobs to foreign lands.
Back to 1994 and we see that even the BLS reported 132,323,000 permanent jobs, yet 24 years later in 2016 we only have 144,747,000 jobs despite the population increase of 74,000,000
- 96,000,000 unemployed
- 130,000,000 under-employed
- Our manufacturing base is lagging other industrialized nations by 33%
- Our GDP growth is less than half that of Algeria and Uganda!
- Americans have less buying power than they did in 1970
- Average work week has increased from 40 hours to 57.5 hours

WEAR that badge PROUD like you own it, you collaborator.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 18, 2016, 11:43:55 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 10:03:51 AM

Quote from: Manny
That is many decades away if ever. We'll have all moved to Oz by then.

Sadly, Oz is going the same way. Siberia might be a better option. The fuzzie muzzies won't want to freeze their foreskins in those climes.

Muslims are (generally) circumcised, like Jews (and Americans for some reason). Both religions are quite similar with similar practices; Halal/Kosher, Jesus not Divine etc....

I remember Rvrwind (The Canadian Cowboy) telling me he was circumcised and how he was told it increased the 'feeling'. He was devastated when I told him it wasn't true, just the opposite in fact......

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 11:46:52 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 11:25:38 AM

WEAR that badge PROUD like you own it, you collaborator.

I'm no friend of Obama. In fact I'm on record saying he's the worst US President since James Buchanan and the most corrupt since Ulysses Grant.

But Grant's corruption looks like "amateur hour" compared to what Hillary Clinton will bring with her when she wins the election. You "Trumpsters" will be 100% responsible for her successful campaign and the resulting slew of progressive judges she will successfully appoint to the federal bench because you united behind a political nincompoop who is the only possible candidate that Hillary Clinton could beat in a nationwide general election.

Any of the other 16 potential candidates would probably be 10+ points on the lead in the polls right now, but instead of talking about Clinton corruption as exposed by Wikileaks, we're mired in having to defend Trump's narcissistic mental disorder and resulting runaway labido.

Does that clear things up for ya?

Thanks "Trumpsters" (and I use it in the same derogatory tones as when I use the word "hipsters")

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 11:58:47 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 11:46:52 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 11:25:38 AM
WEAR that badge PROUD like you own it, you collaborator.

I'm no friend of Obama. In fact I'm on record saying he's the worst US President since James Buchanan and the most corrupt since Ulysses Grant.

But Grant's corruption looks like "amateur hour" compared to what Hillary Clinton will bring with her when she wins the election. You "Trumpsters" will be 100% responsible for her successful campaign and the resulting slew of progressive judges she will successfully appoint to the federal bench because you united behind a political nincompoop who is the only possible candidate that Hillary Clinton could beat in a nationwide general election.

Any of the other 16 potential candidates would probably be 10+ points on the lead in the polls right now, but instead of talking about Clinton corruption as exposed by Wikileaks, we're mired in having to defend Trump's runaway labido and narcissistic mental disorder.

Does that clear things up for ya?

you is a big time FOOL. Tain't no one no where w/ the balls and strength, courage and resolve, coupled with street cred and street smarts to beat Hillary. You think pussy footin' (insert name of wimp here) Repub. could beat Hill with Obama running his game? No way; hope that "clears things up for 'ya".

Trump rally in Florida from about a week ago. Trump lays out crystal clear what went on with bogus FBI invenstigation of Hittlery.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 18, 2016, 12:03:26 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 11:58:47 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 11:46:52 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 11:25:38 AM
WEAR that badge PROUD like you own it, you collaborator.

I'm no friend of Obama. In fact I'm on record saying he's the worst US President since James Buchanan and the most corrupt since Ulysses Grant.

But Grant's corruption looks like "amateur hour" compared to what Hillary Clinton will bring with her when she wins the election. You "Trumpsters" will be 100% responsible for her successful campaign and the resulting slew of progressive judges she will successfully appoint to the federal bench because you united behind a political nincompoop who is the only possible candidate that Hillary Clinton could beat in a nationwide general election.

Any of the other 16 potential candidates would probably be 10+ points on the lead in the polls right now, but instead of talking about Clinton corruption as exposed by Wikileaks, we're mired in having to defend Trump's runaway labido and narcissistic mental disorder.

Does that clear things up for ya?

you is a big time FOOL. Tain't no one no where w/ the balls and strength, courage and resolve, coupled with street cred and street smarts to beat Hillary. You think pussy footin' (insert name of wimp here) Repub. could beat Hill with Obama running his game? No way; hope that "clears things up for 'ya".

Trump rally in Florida from about a week ago. Trump lays out crystal clear what went on with bogus FBI invenstigation of Hittlery.

'Trump' is UK slang for 'Fart'. Nuff' said, the guy is a moron.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 12:09:36 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 12:03:26 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 11:46:52 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 11:25:38 AM
WEAR that badge PROUD like you own it, you collaborator.

I'm no friend of Obama. In fact I'm on record saying he's the worst US President since James Buchanan and the most corrupt since Ulysses Grant.

But Grant's corruption looks like "amateur hour" compared to what Hillary Clinton will bring with her when she wins the election. You "Trumpsters" will be 100% responsible for her successful campaign and the resulting slew of progressive judges she will successfully appoint to the federal bench because you united behind a political nincompoop who is the only possible candidate that Hillary Clinton could beat in a nationwide general election.

Any of the other 16 potential candidates would probably be 10+ points on the lead in the polls right now, but instead of talking about Clinton corruption as exposed by Wikileaks, we're mired in having to defend Trump's runaway labido and narcissistic mental disorder.

Does that clear things up for ya?

you is a big time FOOL. Tain't no one no where w/ the balls and strength, courage and resolve, coupled with street cred and street smarts to beat Hillary. You think pussy footin' (insert name of wimp here) Repub. could beat Hill with Obama running his game? No way; hope that "clears things up for 'ya".

Trump rally in Florida from about a week ago. Trump lays out crystal clear what went on with bogus FBI invenstigation of Hittlery.

'Trump' is UK slang for 'Fart'. Nuff' said, the guy is a moron.

you must have different meaning for moron or you read and write far worse than myself. connect the dots if you can or go back to watching cartoons & eating cap'n crunch.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 12:14:35 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 11:43:55 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 10:03:51 AM
Quote from: Manny
That is many decades away if ever. We'll have all moved to Oz by then.

Sadly, Oz is going the same way. Siberia might be a better option. The fuzzie muzzies won't want to freeze their foreskins in those climes.

Muslims are (generally) circumcised, like Jews (and Americans for some reason). Both religions are quite similar with similar practices; Halal/Kosher, Jesus not Divine etc....

I remember Rvrwind (The Canadian Cowboy) telling me he was circumcised and how he was told it increased the 'feeling'. He was devastated when I told him it wasn't true, just the opposite in fact......

wot this gotta do w/ price of tea in China? :biggrin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 12:17:30 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 11:58:47 AM

Trump rally in Florida from about a week ago. Trump lays out crystal clear what went on with bogus FBI invenstigation of Hittlery.

Sure sign of a loser . . . . . .complaining about the officiating before the game is over.

And if you don't believe Trump's flawed personality, political inexperience and lack of verbal self discipline is the reason he's 8-10 points behind in this election then you're even less educated than your writing style would indicate.

Real Clear Politics poll average: Kasich 48.4% Clinton 41.0%

Oh there's more . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

But I won't waste any more time with an obviously poorly educated "Trumpster" list-plant troll.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 12:21:42 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 12:17:30 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 11:58:47 AM
Trump rally in Florida from about a week ago. Trump lays out crystal clear what went on with bogus FBI invenstigation of Hittlery.

Sure sign of a loser . . . . . .complaining about the officiating before the game is over.

And if you don't believe Trump's flawed personality, political inexperience and lack of verbal self discipline is the reason he's 8-10 points behind in this election then you're even less educated than your writing style would indicate.

Real Clear Politics poll average: Kasich 48.4% Clinton 41.0%

Oh there's more . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

But I won't waste any more time with an obviously poorly educated "Trumpster" list-plant troll.

"game" isn't over, "friend". us "deplorable" "basement dwelling" "poorly educated" "trolls" intend to vote. let's see what game the Hussein & Clinton regimes has up the sleeves.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/DrainTheSwamp?src=hash

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 12:25:59 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 11:43:55 AM

I remember Rvrwind (The Canadian Cowboy) telling me he was circumcised and how he was told it increased the 'feeling'. He was devastated when I told him it wasn't true, just the opposite in fact......

How would you know unless in the unlikely event you had sex before you were circumcised and could actually make a comparison?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 12:30:08 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 12:21:42 PM

"game" isn't over, "friend". us "deplorable" "basement dwelling" "poorly educated" "trolls" intend to vote. let's see what game the Hussein & Clinton regimes has up the sleeves.

I put my ballot in the mail for Trump this morning; although I had to force back the vomit in my throat to do it.

Donald Trump is "uniquely unqualified" to be President of the United States. But I'd vote for a barnyard animal before I'd ever vote for Hillary Clinton. But face facts, it's over. Any chance Trump had of winning died in the first debate and the 3-4 days following that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 12:32:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 12:30:08 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 12:21:42 PM
"game" isn't over, "friend". us "deplorable" "basement dwelling" "poorly educated" "trolls" intend to vote. let's see what game the Hussein & Clinton regimes has up the sleeves.

I put my ballot in the mail for Trump this morning; although I had to force back the vomit in my throat to do it.

Donald Trump is "uniquely unqualified" to be President of the United States. But I'd vote for a barnyard animal before I'd ever vote for Hillary Clinton. But face facts, it's over. Any chance Trump had of winning died in the first debate and the 3-4 days following that.

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Special Agents/Worker Bees Duped by Comey Who Pulled The Rug Out frm Underneath ther Hillary Clinton Indictment! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DrainTheSwamp?src=hash">#DrainTheSwamp</a> Donald Trump <a href="https://t.co/sslppwMuws">pic.twitter.com/sslppwMuws</a></p>— DEPLORABLE TRUMPCAT (@Darren32895836) <a href="https://twitter.com/Darren32895836/status/788434231651278848">October 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

okay buddy but far from over. plenty of sparks coming tomorrow and plenty of fight left in all who want USA out of USSA and away from global cabals.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 12:45:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 09:43:30 AM

Quote from: rosco on October 18, 2016, 09:23:18 AM
To defend from what??

Answer that question when you're pulled over for a minor traffic offense and you find out that the court in that jurisdiction practices Sharia Law.

Belgium warns against Hillary and weak politicians who coddle wrong type immigrants

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The 2nd Message=>>Citizens of Brussels have a Message for Americans heading to the Polls this Year in a few weeks <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MAGA?src=hash">#MAGA</a> "Obama to Trump" <a href="https://t.co/JI0MJgxF4g">pic.twitter.com/JI0MJgxF4g</a></p>— Deplorable Patriot (@ThePatriot143) <a href="https://twitter.com/ThePatriot143/status/788434355483881473">October 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 12:47:02 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 11:43:55 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 10:03:51 AM
Quote from: Manny
That is many decades away if ever. We'll have all moved to Oz by then.

Sadly, Oz is going the same way. Siberia might be a better option. The fuzzie muzzies won't want to freeze their foreskins in those climes.

Muslims are (generally) circumcised, like Jews (and Americans for some reason). Both religions are quite similar with similar practices; Halal/Kosher, Jesus not Divine etc....

I remember Rvrwind (The Canadian Cowboy) telling me he was circumcised and how he was told it increased the 'feeling'. He was devastated when I told him it wasn't true, just the opposite in fact......

Lighten up Stevie. Of course, I'm aware of of the practice amongst those folks. However, it is another custom for those folks to squat when peeing at certain times of the year and hold an absorbent stone to the tip to collect those awkward last drops.
I cannot comment on suggestions of 'enhanced sensitivity'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 12:50:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 12:30:08 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 12:21:42 PM
"game" isn't over, "friend". us "deplorable" "basement dwelling" "poorly educated" "trolls" intend to vote. let's see what game the Hussein & Clinton regimes has up the sleeves.

I put my ballot in the mail for Trump this morning;

Yaaayyy
Give the man a cigar.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 12:51:56 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 12:50:12 PM

Yaaayyy
Give the man a cigar.

But I'll be happy to collect all the winning bets I made with list members on this forum when Hillary easily wins.

In total, it's actually a respectable sum . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 18, 2016, 12:52:38 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 10:44:53 AM

I am more worried bout that happenin' right here in USSA, especially with this:
http://conservativetribune.com/fbi-docs-confirm-shadow-govt/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=conserv_tribune

Be careful, Jim; the Conservative Tribune, Western Journalism and Fox News will rot your brain, assuming that you have one.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 12:54:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 12:51:56 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 12:50:12 PM
Yaaayyy
Give the man a cigar.

But I'll be happy to collect all the winning bets I made with list members on this forum when Hillary easily wins.

In total, it's actually a respectable sum . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

That reminds me, I must head down the bookies and place a small wager on the likely lad.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 18, 2016, 01:03:17 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 12:54:16 PM

That reminds me, I must head down the bookies and place a small wager on the likely lad.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/paddy-power-presidential-betting-1.3810006

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 18, 2016, 01:07:52 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 12:09:36 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 12:03:26 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 11:46:52 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 11:25:38 AM
WEAR that badge PROUD like you own it, you collaborator.

I'm no friend of Obama. In fact I'm on record saying he's the worst US President since James Buchanan and the most corrupt since Ulysses Grant.

But Grant's corruption looks like "amateur hour" compared to what Hillary Clinton will bring with her when she wins the election. You "Trumpsters" will be 100% responsible for her successful campaign and the resulting slew of progressive judges she will successfully appoint to the federal bench because you united behind a political nincompoop who is the only possible candidate that Hillary Clinton could beat in a nationwide general election.

Any of the other 16 potential candidates would probably be 10+ points on the lead in the polls right now, but instead of talking about Clinton corruption as exposed by Wikileaks, we're mired in having to defend Trump's runaway labido and narcissistic mental disorder.

Does that clear things up for ya?

you is a big time FOOL. Tain't no one no where w/ the balls and strength, courage and resolve, coupled with street cred and street smarts to beat Hillary. You think pussy footin' (insert name of wimp here) Repub. could beat Hill with Obama running his game? No way; hope that "clears things up for 'ya".

Trump rally in Florida from about a week ago. Trump lays out crystal clear what went on with bogus FBI invenstigation of Hittlery.

'Trump' is UK slang for 'Fart'. Nuff' said, the guy is a moron.

you must have different meaning for moron or you read and write far worse than myself. connect the dots if you can or go back to watching cartoons & eating cap'n crunch.

IS THERE SOMEBODY THERE TO LOOK AFTER YOU?

Thank Christ you are probably too thick to vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 18, 2016, 01:09:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 12:30:08 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 12:21:42 PM
"game" isn't over, "friend". us "deplorable" "basement dwelling" "poorly educated" "trolls" intend to vote. let's see what game the Hussein & Clinton regimes has up the sleeves.

I put my ballot in the mail for Trump this morning; although I had to force back the vomit in my throat to do it.

Donald Trump is "uniquely unqualified" to be President of the United States. But I'd vote for a barnyard animal before I'd ever vote for Hillary Clinton. But face facts, it's over. Any chance Trump had of winning died in the first debate and the 3-4 days following that.

Are there no crap Hollywood B-movie actors in the running this time?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 18, 2016, 01:13:38 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 12:47:02 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 11:43:55 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 10:03:51 AM
Quote from: Manny
That is many decades away if ever. We'll have all moved to Oz by then.

Sadly, Oz is going the same way. Siberia might be a better option. The fuzzie muzzies won't want to freeze their foreskins in those climes.

Muslims are (generally) circumcised, like Jews (and Americans for some reason). Both religions are quite similar with similar practices; Halal/Kosher, Jesus not Divine etc....

I remember Rvrwind (The Canadian Cowboy) telling me he was circumcised and how he was told it increased the 'feeling'. He was devastated when I told him it wasn't true, just the opposite in fact......
Lighten up Stevie. Of course, I'm aware of of the practice amongst those folks. However, it is another custom for those folks to squat when peeing at certain times of the year and hold an absorbent stone to the tip to collect those awkward last drops.
I cannot comment on suggestions of 'enhanced sensitivity'.

Just 'avin' a larff!! And a bit bored....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 01:14:48 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 01:13:38 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 12:47:02 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 11:43:55 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 10:03:51 AM
Quote from: Manny
That is many decades away if ever. We'll have all moved to Oz by then.

Sadly, Oz is going the same way. Siberia might be a better option. The fuzzie muzzies won't want to freeze their foreskins in those climes.

Muslims are (generally) circumcised, like Jews (and Americans for some reason). Both religions are quite similar with similar practices; Halal/Kosher, Jesus not Divine etc....

I remember Rvrwind (The Canadian Cowboy) telling me he was circumcised and how he was told it increased the 'feeling'. He was devastated when I told him it wasn't true, just the opposite in fact......
Lighten up Stevie. Of course, I'm aware of of the practice amongst those folks. However, it is another custom for those folks to squat when peeing at certain times of the year and hold an absorbent stone to the tip to collect those awkward last drops.
I cannot comment on suggestions of 'enhanced sensitivity'.

Just 'avin' a larff!! And a bit bored....

Missus not around then?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on October 18, 2016, 01:21:54 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 18, 2016, 12:52:38 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 10:44:53 AM
I am more worried bout that happenin' right here in USSA, especially with this:
http://conservativetribune.com/fbi-docs-confirm-shadow-govt/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=conserv_tribune

Be careful, Jim; the Conservative Tribune, Western Journalism and Fox News will rot your brain, assuming that you have one.

Yes, it's much better to stick with upstanding news sources like CNN

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/10/17/remember-its-illegal-to-possess-wikileaks-clinton-emails-but-its-different-for-the-media-says-cnns-chris-cuomo/?utm_term=.fc880576761c

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 18, 2016, 01:22:45 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 01:14:48 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 01:13:38 PM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 12:47:02 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 11:43:55 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 18, 2016, 10:03:51 AM
Quote from: Manny
That is many decades away if ever. We'll have all moved to Oz by then.

Sadly, Oz is going the same way. Siberia might be a better option. The fuzzie muzzies won't want to freeze their foreskins in those climes.

Muslims are (generally) circumcised, like Jews (and Americans for some reason). Both religions are quite similar with similar practices; Halal/Kosher, Jesus not Divine etc....

I remember Rvrwind (The Canadian Cowboy) telling me he was circumcised and how he was told it increased the 'feeling'. He was devastated when I told him it wasn't true, just the opposite in fact......
Lighten up Stevie. Of course, I'm aware of of the practice amongst those folks. However, it is another custom for those folks to squat when peeing at certain times of the year and hold an absorbent stone to the tip to collect those awkward last drops.
I cannot comment on suggestions of 'enhanced sensitivity'.

Just 'avin' a larff!! And a bit bored....
Missus not around then?

No, at uni still - she's gone back for Masters, International Business, a bit pissed off cos Russia got a pounding off the lecturers in class today for their 'methods'!!

I'm at home till Friday then back on my travels...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 01:31:10 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 01:07:52 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 12:09:36 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 12:03:26 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 11:58:47 AM
Quote from: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 11:46:52 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 11:25:38 AM
WEAR that badge PROUD like you own it, you collaborator.

I'm no friend of Obama. In fact I'm on record saying he's the worst US President since James Buchanan and the most corrupt since Ulysses Grant.

But Grant's corruption looks like "amateur hour" compared to what Hillary Clinton will bring with her when she wins the election. You "Trumpsters" will be 100% responsible for her successful campaign and the resulting slew of progressive judges she will successfully appoint to the federal bench because you united behind a political nincompoop who is the only possible candidate that Hillary Clinton could beat in a nationwide general election.

Any of the other 16 potential candidates would probably be 10+ points on the lead in the polls right now, but instead of talking about Clinton corruption as exposed by Wikileaks, we're mired in having to defend Trump's runaway labido and narcissistic mental disorder.

Does that clear things up for ya?

you is a big time FOOL. Tain't no one no where w/ the balls and strength, courage and resolve, coupled with street cred and street smarts to beat Hillary. You think pussy footin' (insert name of wimp here) Repub. could beat Hill with Obama running his game? No way; hope that "clears things up for 'ya".

Trump rally in Florida from about a week ago. Trump lays out crystal clear what went on with bogus FBI invenstigation of Hittlery.

'Trump' is UK slang for 'Fart'. Nuff' said, the guy is a moron.

you must have different meaning for moron or you read and write far worse than myself. connect the dots if you can or go back to watching cartoons & eating cap'n crunch.

IS THERE SOMEBODY THERE TO LOOK AFTER YOU?

Thank Christ you are probably too thick to vote.

here ya go thicky less see if you can connect some D O T S. know it's really hard when yer head's up yer....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 18, 2016, 01:37:55 PM

^

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 18, 2016, 01:39:17 PM

^
Could it be that the lecturers are out of touch with reality??

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 01:40:23 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 18, 2016, 12:52:38 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 10:44:53 AM
I am more worried bout that happenin' right here in USSA, especially with this:
http://conservativetribune.com/fbi-docs-confirm-shadow-govt/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=conserv_tribune

Be careful, Jim; the Conservative Tribune, Western Journalism and Fox News will rot your brain, assuming that you have one.

yea you be careful bout 'token too much wot you smokin' it rots the soul, assuming you have one.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 01:51:46 PM

"activist" who took part in very violent Chicago "protests" which shut down a Trump rally was paid $1,610 dollars plus another $30 for phone expense. this why I labeled USSA now a banana republic with in power regime paying peeps to destroy opposition thru violence, intimidation and vote fraud.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/18/activist-who-took-credit-for-violent-chicago-protests-was-on-hillarys-payroll/

later on she was paid over $18,000 by some PAC's which I already mentioned are coordinatin' with Hillary which against our laws of the land but no matter when Hussein dictator won't enforce laws he don't likey.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM

good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm (http://loveme.com/go/49654/341?referer=http%253A%252F%252Fruadventures.com%252Fforum%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Dunread)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 18, 2016, 02:01:46 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM

good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm (http://loveme.com/go/49654/341?referer=http%253A%252F%252Fruadventures.com%252Fforum%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Dunread)

She wants a:
I wish to meet a kind, caring, thoughtful, remarkable and sophisticated man with good nature, positive thinker, intellectual and thrilling in all ways

That lets you out, sorry... :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 18, 2016, 02:04:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM

good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm (http://loveme.com/go/49654/341?referer=http%253A%252F%252Fruadventures.com%252Fforum%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Dunread)

Your priority is to reach puberty first.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 18, 2016, 02:56:44 PM

The "Rigging" video part 2 goes into greater detail about how to actually commit voter fraud:

separate shell companies, 1 to pay rental cars, another to pay people (maybe more)

voters don't arrive in a bus (conspiracy) but in separate individually driven cars, sometimes rental cars

methods of registering a voter simply (a person who is not qualified to vote)

at the end, a discussion with an illegal and a lawyer who works for illegal immigrants - they talk about how to implement fraud on a massive scale

The video - 16 minutes long and packed with many examples of voting fraud machinations.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Boris on October 18, 2016, 04:48:02 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM

good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm (http://loveme.com/go/49654/341?referer=http%253A%252F%252Fruadventures.com%252Fforum%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Dunread)

Every time I read one of your posts the banjo music from Deliverance starts playing in my head.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 04:49:35 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 18, 2016, 02:01:46 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm (http://loveme.com/go/49654/341?referer=http%253A%252F%252Fruadventures.com%252Fforum%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Dunread)

She wants a:
I wish to meet a kind, caring, thoughtful, remarkable and sophisticated man with good nature, positive thinker, intellectual and thrilling in all ways

That lets you out, sorry... :coffeeread:

thrilling...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 18, 2016, 04:51:25 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM

good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm

You should get in contact with Julia; you may be the man of her dreams.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 05:16:11 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 18, 2016, 04:51:25 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm (http://loveme.com/go/49654/341?referer=http%253A%252F%252Fruadventures.com%252Fforum%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Dunread)

You should get in contact with Julia; you may be the man of her dreams.

twas only playin' with you. I read in here bout them type girls. prefer older and real.

http://www.russiancupid.com/en/profile/showProfile/ID/4195311

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 05:29:06 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 18, 2016, 02:56:44 PM

The "Rigging" video part 2 goes into greater detail about how to actually commit voter fraud:

separate shell companies, 1 to pay rental cars, another to pay people (maybe more)

voters don't arrive in a bus (conspiracy) but in separate individually driven cars, sometimes rental cars

methods of registering a voter simply (a person who is not qualified to vote)

at the end, a discussion with an illegal and a lawyer who works for illegal immigrants - they talk about how to implement fraud on a massive scale

The video - 16 minutes long and packed with many examples of voting fraud machinations.

the guy who was just fired over this revelation was a White House regular. So much for Dictator Hussein claiming there is no coordinated voter fraud.

https://twitter.com/JaredWyand #DrainTheSwamp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 05:49:33 PM

Quote from: Boris on October 18, 2016, 04:48:02 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm

Every time I read one of your posts the banjo music from Deliverance starts playing in my head.

And when I read the likes of you I see images like this in my head...(Clinton campaign bus makes illegal dump of human waste into Georgia storm drain) https://twitter.com/wsfa12news/status/788488909391032320

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 08:07:34 PM

Quote from: Boris on October 18, 2016, 04:48:02 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm (http://loveme.com/go/49654/341?referer=http%253A%252F%252Fruadventures.com%252Fforum%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Dunread)

Every time I read one of your posts the banjo music from Deliverance starts playing in my head.

Just kiddin' wit you feller. You must be alright you said you like Ike. And Deliverance is a great movie, so thanx for compliment.

World changed too much since Ike and if you only listen to main outlets they don't give you balanced information or coverage. USA needs more of a mercenary type of guy but remember that Ike did "operation (sent illegals back to mexico) so in his day he stood up against special interests in texas and there was no "pc" BS.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 08:12:58 PM

Quote from: bagalia on October 15, 2016, 02:34:31 PM

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/264499/clinton-record-john-perazzo

Normally I wouldn't want to foist 30-40 pages on any person but this article is like a bible on what is wrong with Hillary concerning only the last decade. You could of course write two books on all she has done since Bill was Governor of Arkansas.

I think it is well written. There are two to three paragraphs for each separate subject and each has its own bookmarks to back up its accusations. It reads fairly easily but the length of it all means many will need to take a break halfway through.

It should be required reading for this election or perhaps serve as an indictment for her upcoming trial.

"liberals" can't be bothered with reading an they're too busy flinging monkey poo at all who disagree with their version of the world. however very good article.

portion about her aiding and abetting Jihadi's

The Benghazi Debacle, and Clinton's Role in Arming Jihadists in Libya and Syria

"Throughout 2012, violent jihadist activity became increasingly commonplace in the city of Benghazi and elsewhere throughout Libya and North Africa. American personnel at the U.S. mission in Benghazi repeatedly asked the Clinton State Department for increased security provisions during 2012, but all of these requests were either denied or ignored.25

On the night of September 11, 2012, a large group of heavily armed Islamic terrorists attacked the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi with great violence.26 In the process, they killed the U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, and three other Americans.

For weeks thereafter, Mrs. Clinton and the rest of the Obama administration continued to characterize what had occurred on September 11 in Benghazi not as a carefully orchestrated act of terrorism, but as a spontaneous uprising that evolved unexpectedly from what had begun as a low-level protest against an obscure YouTube video.

For the administration, it was vital to continue putting forth this false narrative because, with the presidential election only a few weeks away, nothing could be permitted to puncture the Obama-Clinton talking points: “Al Qaeda is on the run” and “Osama bin Laden is dead.”27

In reality, however, within mere hours after the September 11 attack, U.S. intelligence agencies had already gained more than enough evidence to conclude unequivocally that it was a planned terrorist incident, and that the YouTube video had nothing whatsoever to do with it.28

On January 23, 2013 — fully 134 days after the September 11 attack in Benghazi — Mrs. Clinton went before Congress to testify as to what she knew about the incident. At one point in the hearing, Senator Rand Paul asked her whether the United States had ever been involved in procuring weapons in Libya and transferring them to other countries including Syria. Clinton replied, “I do not know. I have no information on that.”29

But a March 25, 2013 New York Times story subsequently indicated that the Obama administration had in fact been sending arms from Libya, through intermediary nations and ultimately to Syria, since early 2012. And another Times article described Mrs. Clinton as one of the driving forces who had called for arming the Syrian rebels (who were fighting Syrian President Assad) in precisely that manner.30 In other words, Clinton had lied in her congressional testimony to Rand Paul.

It should be noted that the Syrian rebels whom Clinton and Obama were aiding consisted of Islamic jihadists, many of whom were affiliated with Al Qaeda. In July 2016, Julian Assange of Wikileaks revealed that a batch of hacked DNC emails contained information proving that Clinton, contrary to what she had said in her congressional testimony in 2013, knew as early as 2011 that the U.S. was sending arms from Libya to jihadists in Syria.31"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 08:16:48 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 14, 2016, 01:48:28 AM

Well done Shakespear, you saw the water!

It might be too late though; if you and a few others had understood that tides are inevitable then what we are about to see would not have happened. You were tricked, you were complicit in the trickery but I don't think that you initiated the process in yourself.

Trump is not going to be the next president of the United States; not even if he gets a majority of votes in the general election. People who you respected and looked up to have made sure of it.

Look, I have no way to know if Trump could be a good president for the United States but he is the only way that change will occur. Kinda like the last spin of the wheel with the last £20 bet on 0.

Right now, every organ of state, every handle upon the levers of influence in your once great country is now working as hard as they can to avoid what is the wish of the American people.
There's so much evidence of this, from rigged polls, to wilful ignorance of the law, to (no longer) secret collusion between branches of the justice system, to ongoing cover ups of wrong doing by the media and last, but by no means least, a concerted effort to create a situation wherein the US and its people can be cast as being under threat from an external power - Russia.

I am seeing a lion being attacked by hyenas. The lion might fight, he will fight, he is strong, but enough hyenas and he will fall.

What we are seeing in the United States is not an election, perhaps, throughout this cycle, it never has been. We already know about the collusion between Team Clinton and the Democrat Party hierarchy to deny Sanders and his supporters that to which they were almost certainly entitled. We have seen media confess to manipulating their coverage to support that end.

On the Republican side we have seen similar processes at work and, absent huge grass roots support for Trump and the hope with which millions have embodied him, then the Republicans would have attained the goal that the Democrats achieved.

Good or bad, it is my belief that the world needs to see 'anyone but Clinton' as the next president of the United States. That status quo for the exceptional people is no longer a viable option in a changed world. Trump's public stance has told us that, on the whole, he understands this and seeks a new accommodation with the world.

I expect that we are going to see something very nasty happen in the next few weeks, people are going to die in large numbers in a 'surprising' manner. There's only so much that Russian diplomatic leadership can attain, only so many fingers to be rammed in so many dykes. Even with, as we are now seeing, Chinese assistance, the dam is going to break, somewhere.

We are going to see a Clinton presidency again, for the third and last time.

I hope that I am wrong, but there's too many hyenas and only one lion!

It might finally be breakin different direction. USA today just did article critical of Hillary foundation and apparently CNN will run story about election fraud story first brought out by proj. Veritas.

With their spin of course; they called generator of the story "discredited republican..."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/18/politics/project-veritas-action-robert-creamer-donald-trump-rallies/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2016, 08:28:20 PM

usa today tackles clinton foundation; sort of. cream puff style.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/17/hillary-clinton-foundation-donors-lobbyists-state-department/92285652/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on October 19, 2016, 03:21:51 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 02:04:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm (http://loveme.com/go/49654/341?referer=http%253A%252F%252Fruadventures.com%252Fforum%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Dunread)

Your priority is to reach puberty first.....

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 08:06:02 AM

Ain't THIS the TRUTH!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 08:27:51 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 08:06:02 AM

Ain't THIS the TRUTH!

was the primaries an election? just curious how that simple minded BS meme has any meaning on the very REAL revelations of the project Veritas videos.

Those operatives visited the White House 342 times yet Obama had the nerve to claim there is no fraud and you've got the nerve to post this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 19, 2016, 08:39:48 AM

All of the data in the RCP average below was taken after the second presidential debate. The NBC/Survey Monkey poll is probably the most significant because of its small MoE but the Right-leaning LA Times abandoning the delusion of a possible Trump victory is also remarkable.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 10:30:31 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 19, 2016, 08:39:48 AM

All of the data in the RCP average below was taken after the second presidential debate. The NBC/Survey Monkey poll is probably the most significant because of its small MoE but the Right-leaning LA Times abandoning the delusion of a possible Trump victory is also remarkable.

The main street media overall cannot be trusted to do anything but carry water for H. and manipulate polls.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 19, 2016, 10:41:38 AM

Tom, you are choosing to miss the point. Unless you have access to the underlying data (you don't) and you can make your own analyses (you can't) then the polls you are seeing are about as reliable as reading tea leaves - actually less so because the tea leaves are not set up to tell you a story.

Right now all that we can know from these polls is that Trump's support is being under counted. We have no way to know by how much except to note that it is likely quite a bit because otherwise there'd be no reason to rig them.

From the foregoing we can infer that if Clinton were actually ahead then there would be no messing with the selection of poll samples, no messing with proportions and they'd be consistent from one to another in a series.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 19, 2016, 10:49:36 AM

Watch the hysteria play out on CNN and other media channels - a sitting congressman being interviewed live, mentions Wikileaks and CNN drops his feed immediately.

Larry Flynt, owner of pornographics magazine Hustler and other properties, offering $1 million for any dirt on Trump, audio or video.

Before, Wikileaks was one of the media darlings. Now that he is publishing emails that directly hurt Hillary's campaign, we have article after article about how bad it is that he is reproducing "stolen" emails. Of course, the level of media collusion between Hillary's side and the media was also exposed.

The debate tonight will prove very interesting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 19, 2016, 11:37:17 AM

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-leave-the-la-times-poll-alone/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 11:45:18 AM

Quote from: Slumba on October 19, 2016, 10:49:36 AM

Watch the hysteria play out on CNN and other media channels - a sitting congressman being interviewed live, mentions Wikileaks and CNN drops his feed immediately.

Larry Flynt, owner of pornographics magazine Hustler and other properties, offering $1 million for any dirt on Trump, audio or video.

Before, Wikileaks was one of the media darlings. Now that he is publishing emails that directly hurt Hillary's campaign, we have article after article about how bad it is that he is reproducing "stolen" emails. Of course, the level of media collusion between Hillary's side and the media was also exposed.

The debate tonight will prove very interesting.

The left-wing media hacks were totally in love with wiki leaks (as were Democrats) when it was Bradley Manning (aka now "Chelsea") leaking disturbing information about the Bush Jr. administrations actions in Iraq, etc.

All citizens should be happy for Wikileaks as well as the revealing work of Snowden.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 11:51:27 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 19, 2016, 10:41:38 AM

Tom, you are choosing to miss the point. Unless you have access to the underlying data (you don't) and you can make your own analyses (you can't) then the polls you are seeing are about as reliable as reading tea leaves - actually less so because the tea leaves are not set up to tell you a story.

Right now all that we can know from these polls is that Trump's support is being under counted. We have no way to know by how much except to note that it is likely quite a bit because otherwise there'd be no reason to rig them.

From the foregoing we can infer that if Clinton were actually ahead then there would be no messing with the selection of poll samples, no messing with proportions and they'd be consistent from one to another in a series.

The far more reliable polls are the online polls. Trump will win the popular vote (as Al Gore did) but he may lose the Electoral college (as Al Gore did). We are a Republic and the Electoral college will be picking our next President. Unfortunately the way the race is determined favors blue states and blue results.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 11:55:43 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 19, 2016, 11:37:17 AM

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-leave-the-la-times-poll-alone/

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-reports-of-a-clinton-rebound-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 12:01:06 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 12:30:08 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 12:21:42 PM
"game" isn't over, "friend". us "deplorable" "basement dwelling" "poorly educated" "trolls" intend to vote. let's see what game the Hussein & Clinton regimes has up the sleeves.

I put my ballot in the mail for Trump this morning; although I had to force back the vomit in my throat to do it.

Donald Trump is "uniquely unqualified" to be President of the United States. But I'd vote for a barnyard animal before I'd ever vote for Hillary Clinton. But face facts, it's over. Any chance Trump had of winning died in the first debate and the 3-4 days following that.

The opinion of this Yale professor (Republicans make up less than 1% of Yale professors) is something you may like. He also did not have Trump as his first choice yet he knew H. would be a far worse choice.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 12:02:33 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 02:04:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm (http://loveme.com/go/49654/341?referer=http%253A%252F%252Fruadventures.com%252Fforum%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Dunread)

Your priority is to reach puberty first.....

your priority is to get out of the intellectual ghetto which you live in and stop reading propaganda rags.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 12:11:30 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 19, 2016, 10:41:38 AM

Right now all that we can know from these polls is that Trump's support is being under counted. We have no way to know by how much except to note that it is likely quite a bit because otherwise there'd be no reason to rig them.

That thinking is a "Trumpster's" total wishful thinking fairy tale.

The Veritas videos are certainly thought provoking. I think it far more likely their activities involved insuring the only candidate Hillary Clinton could beat in a General Election was selected as the Republican nominee than anything to attempt to discredit Trump after he had the nomination. The Clinton campaign correctly surmised once selected, his own mouth would doom his candidacy.

Trump got 13+ million primary votes. Where did they a disappear to? The likely answer is they were never really there in the first place. Democrats instructed to vote for Trump in the primary elections is the probable culprit. Low Democrat primary participation this year documents this hypothesis.

Either Kasich, Rubio and perhaps even Carson would have been 10+ points ahead of such a deeply flawed candidate as Hillary Clinton at this stage of the process. With no distracting negative news to dilute the damaging Wikileaks information, Cruz would probably have been no worse than even.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 12:13:45 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 19, 2016, 10:49:36 AM

The debate tonight will prove very interesting.

Won't make any difference.

The damage is already done.

Stick a fork in Trump; he's done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 12:16:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 11:51:27 AM

The far more reliable polls are the online polls.

Bwhahahahahahahahaha.

:ROFL:

Of course an online poll where a person can vote as many times as he wants is more reliable than a statistically accurate poll conducted with qualified margin of error.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 12:37:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 12:11:30 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 19, 2016, 10:41:38 AM
Right now all that we can know from these polls is that Trump's support is being under counted. We have no way to know by how much except to note that it is likely quite a bit because otherwise there'd be no reason to rig them.

That thinking is a "Trumpster's" total wishful thinking fairy tale.

The Veritas videos are certainly thought provoking. I think it far more likely their activities involved insuring the only candidate Hillary Clinton could beat in a General Election was selected as the Republican nominee than anything to attempt to discredit Trump after he had the nomination. The Clinton campaign correctly surmised once selected, his own mouth would doom his candidacy.

Trump got 13+ million primary votes. Where did they a disappear to? The likely answer is they were never really there in the first place. Democrats instructed to vote for Trump in the primary elections is the probable culprit. Low Democrat primary participation this year documents this hypothesis.

They have not disappeared. We'll find out on election day, now won't we? If Hillary were really winning this race, why can't she get decent crowds at her events? If H. gets 3,000 Trump gets a minimum of 30,000. This is true every time. Your theory that Democrats somehow helped to choose Trump in primary contest is far more speculative than simple reality that Dem's been paying people to use dead peoples names and vote with it.

Trump will garner far more votes come election day then H. the question is has she already found a way to bribe the electoral college and have the crooks who worked for her found a way to get dead people and illegals to cast fraudulent votes in key areas in order to steal the election -- she wants it to look legit and no matter how crooked it may look her kiss but "media" will twist it all to her favor.

Robert Creamer visited the WH pretty often. Hard to deny that dictator Hussein has not been a big part of the fraud. Hillary should never been allowed first place; she should of been indicted by FBI for treason or at least mishandling top secret state secrets and abuse of her office for financial gain.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 19, 2016, 12:38:22 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 12:02:33 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm (http://loveme.com/go/49654/341?referer=http%253A%252F%252Fruadventures.com%252Fforum%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Dunread)

Your priority is to reach puberty first.....

your priority is to get out of the intellectual ghetto which you live in and stop reading propaganda rags.

I read Kant and Nietzsche in the original German cos I'm über-pretentious and have a nice coffee table to put them on so I look cool. I also have a plastic bag to carry them around in.

As Wittgenstein once said "Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!", you certainly can't argue with that.

How are you getting on with 'The Cat in the Hat'? Need help with the words?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 12:42:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 12:37:43 PM

Trump will garner far more votes come election day then H.

I got $500 that says your wrong.

Send me your cell phone number by private message so I can confirm your identity, address and contact point, or if you prefer, I'll allow a neutral party to hold the money and pay the winner on November 9th.

Time to put up or shut up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 19, 2016, 12:45:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 12:42:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 12:37:43 PM
Trump will garner far more votes come election day then H.

I got $500 that says your wrong.

Send me your cell phone number by private message so I can confirm your identity, address and contact point, or if you prefer, I'll allow a neutral party to hold the money and pay the winner on November 9th.

Time to put up or shut up.

I don't think cells/mobiles/handies are allowed in Mental Institutions, crayons maybe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 12:46:03 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 19, 2016, 12:38:22 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm (http://loveme.com/go/49654/341?referer=http%253A%252F%252Fruadventures.com%252Fforum%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Dunread)

Your priority is to reach puberty first.....

your priority is to get out of the intellectual ghetto which you live in and stop reading propaganda rags.

I read Kant and Nietzsche in the original German cos I'm über-pretentious and have a nice coffee table to put them on so I look cool. I also have a plastic bag to carry them around in.

As Wittgenstein once said "Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!", you certainly can't argue with that.

How are you getting on with 'The Cat in the Hat'? Need help with the words?

I get plenty Kunt, don't know about Nietz and don't need put a bag over her head. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 19, 2016, 12:46:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 12:46:03 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 19, 2016, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm (http://loveme.com/go/49654/341?referer=http%253A%252F%252Fruadventures.com%252Fforum%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Dunread)

Your priority is to reach puberty first.....

your priority is to get out of the intellectual ghetto which you live in and stop reading propaganda rags.

I read Kant and Nietzsche in the original German cos I'm über-pretentious and have a nice coffee table to put them on so I look cool. I also have a plastic bag to carry them around in.

As Wittgenstein once said "Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!", you certainly can't argue with that.

How are you getting on with 'The Cat in the Hat'? Need help with the words?

I get plenty Kunt, don't know about Nietz and don't need put a bag over her head. ;D

Your sister doesn't count....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 12:48:10 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 19, 2016, 12:45:45 PM

I don't think cells/mobiles/handies are allowed in Mental Institutions, crayons maybe.

Fair point Ste.

It's a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent. :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 19, 2016, 12:49:51 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 12:46:03 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 19, 2016, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm (http://loveme.com/go/49654/341?referer=http%253A%252F%252Fruadventures.com%252Fforum%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Dunread)

Your priority is to reach puberty first.....

your priority is to get out of the intellectual ghetto which you live in and stop reading propaganda rags.

I read Kant and Nietzsche in the original German cos I'm über-pretentious and have a nice coffee table to put them on so I look cool. I also have a plastic bag to carry them around in.

As Wittgenstein once said "Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!", you certainly can't argue with that.

How are you getting on with 'The Cat in the Hat'? Need help with the words?

I get plenty Kunt, don't know about Nietz and don't need put a bag over her head. ;D

Just remember to put a bag over your dick... :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 19, 2016, 12:50:15 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 19, 2016, 12:46:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 12:46:03 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 19, 2016, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm (http://loveme.com/go/49654/341?referer=http%253A%252F%252Fruadventures.com%252Fforum%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Dunread)

Your priority is to reach puberty first.....

your priority is to get out of the intellectual ghetto which you live in and stop reading propaganda rags.

I read Kant and Nietzsche in the original German cos I'm über-pretentious and have a nice coffee table to put them on so I look cool. I also have a plastic bag to carry them around in.

As Wittgenstein once said "Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!", you certainly can't argue with that.

How are you getting on with 'The Cat in the Hat'? Need help with the words?

I get plenty Kunt, don't know about Nietz and don't need put a bag over her head. ;D

Your sister doesn't count....

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 12:50:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 12:37:43 PM

If Hillary were really winning this race, why can't she get decent crowds at her events? If H. gets 3,000 Trump gets a minimum of 30,000. This is true every time.

Because people already know that Clinton will win by 10+ points when it's all said and done on November 8th.

They're going on with their lives.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 01:01:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 12:50:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 12:37:43 PM
If Hillary were really winning this race, why can't she get decent crowds at her events? If H. gets 3,000 Trump gets a minimum of 30,000. This is true every time.

Because people already know that Clinton will win by 10+ points when it's all said and done on November 8th.

not a chance! but no thanks on bettin' sent you a number for that to help you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 01:02:37 PM

Confederate send me a phone number that was the reservation line for The Mirage in Las Vegas.

Like FiFi, all words and no conviction.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 01:10:34 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 12:16:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 11:51:27 AM
The far more reliable polls are the online polls.

Of course an online poll where a person can vote as many times as he wants is more reliable than a statistically accurate poll conducted with qualified margin of error.

The polls which you claim are accurate the main street "media" samples twice the number of Dem's as they do Republicans. Guess we'll really find out November 8. I expect a Trump avalanche.

You admitted that the Veritas information was thought provoking. That is a small acknowledgement from you. But you don't mention that the Hussein regime would never prosecute vote fraud, even if it was blatant. Just like the regime refuses to enforce current immigration laws. Just like the wiki leaks show coordination between the current regime and Clinton to help her avoid being indicted by the FBI over her mishandling classified information and abuse of her office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 01:16:55 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 01:10:34 PM

I expect a Trump avalanche.

And I expect the tooth fairy will leave me a gold coin under my pillow tonight.

You can say anything, but when asked to put your money where your mouth is, you weasel out.

No conviction in your beliefs.

Money talks, bullshit walks. You sir are FULL of the later.

Thanks for playing . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 01:17:23 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 19, 2016, 12:46:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 12:46:03 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 19, 2016, 12:38:22 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 12:02:33 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2016, 02:04:20 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
good god almight got to sell some more moonshine and some xtra acreage go get me sum dis!

http://loveme.com/mp/info341.htm (http://loveme.com/go/49654/341?referer=http%253A%252F%252Fruadventures.com%252Fforum%252Findex.php%253Faction%253Dunread)

Your priority is to reach puberty first.....

your priority is to get out of the intellectual ghetto which you live in and stop reading propaganda rags.

I read Kant and Nietzsche in the original German cos I'm über-pretentious and have a nice coffee table to put them on so I look cool. I also have a plastic bag to carry them around in.

As Wittgenstein once said "Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!", you certainly can't argue with that.

How are you getting on with 'The Cat in the Hat'? Need help with the words?

I get plenty Kunt, don't know about Nietz and don't need put a bag over her head. ;D

Your sister doesn't count....

aha so that's how genetic mutations like "liberals" happen. somebody's mother did her brother and so forth.

well all I can say is enjoy "utopia". you and your kind have been begging for it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 01:19:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 01:17:23 PM

well all I can say is enjoy "utopia". you and your kind have been begging for it.

You "Trumpsters" made it happen by nominating a boob as your candidate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 01:27:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 01:19:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 01:17:23 PM

well all I can say is enjoy "utopia". you and your kind have been begging for it.

You "Trumpsters" made it happen by nominating a boob as your candidate.

blah blah blah just go 35 minutes into this to see what your type allowed. collaborator.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 01:34:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 01:16:55 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 01:10:34 PM
I expect a Trump avalanche.

And I expect the tooth fairy will leave me a gold coin under my pillow tonight.

You can say anything, but when asked to put your money where your mouth is, you weasel out.

No conviction in your beliefs.

Money talks, bullshit walks. You sir are FULL of the later.

Thanks for playing . . . . . . . . . .

270-782-

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 19, 2016, 01:37:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 12:13:45 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 19, 2016, 10:49:36 AM
The debate tonight will prove very interesting.

Won't make any difference.

The damage is already done.

Stick a fork in Trump; he's done.

At the moment polls (remember I am skeptical about them) show a tie; e.g. http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/

(LA Times is not a right wing, pro-Trump newspaper)

My view remains, that Trump will beat Hillary. I haven't done all the fancy guesstimating on the EC, but will instead wait until the morning of the 9th.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 01:52:05 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 19, 2016, 01:37:09 PM

My view remains, that Trump will beat Hillary. I haven't done all the fancy guesstimating on the EC, but will instead wait until the morning of the 9th.

I'll make it simple for ya.

If he loses Florida he cannot win the EC.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 05:00:22 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 19, 2016, 01:37:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 12:13:45 PM
Quote from: Slumba on October 19, 2016, 10:49:36 AM
The debate tonight will prove very interesting.

Won't make any difference.

The damage is already done.

Stick a fork in Trump; he's done.

At the moment polls (remember I am skeptical about them) show a tie; e.g. http://graphics.latimes.com/usc-presidential-poll-dashboard/

(LA Times is not a right wing, pro-Trump newspaper)

My view remains, that Trump will beat Hillary. I haven't done all the fancy guesstimating on the EC, but will instead wait until the morning of the 9th.

Trump will beat the Hittlery, because "politically correct" is dead.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2016, 05:03:31 PM

Andrea Kaye explains the polls, lays out the FACTS about the unethical "media" inquisition of Trump and lays out Hittlery's desire to have a "compliant" media and compliant citizenry go a long with her lies and corruption (she lays out all the wiki leaks revelations)

https://andreakayeshow.com/podcast/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 09:04:38 PM

Observations on the debate tonight:

1. Chris Wallace set the standard for excellent debate moderation. Tough questions to both sides. Fantastic job.

2. Score on debate points: another draw.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 20, 2016, 03:42:59 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 01:19:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 01:17:23 PM

well all I can say is enjoy "utopia". you and your kind have been begging for it.

You "Trumpsters" made it happen by nominating a boob as your candidate.

Shakespear, I can not understand how a soi disant intelligent bloke can continue to not understand numbers as you do!

Here's the thing: If a candidate receives more votes for his selection than any other candidate then he is, by definition, more popular than the other candidates. This is not hard to understand, I am sure even for somebody schooled in the United States public education system.

There were no candidates in the primaries who had more votes than Trump.

So, where do you think that a more popular candidate would have appeared from?
Of course, the truth is that there was no more popular candidate. Trump was, and is, hugely popular. If I recall correctly he received more votes than any other Republican primary candidate in history.

Let us, in order to humour you, assume that there was some previously unknown candidate foisted upon the electorate by the Republican party (and we know that you think that this was an option because you reported your 'friends on the hill' as having confided in you about this matter.) How do you think that the millions of voters who chose Trump would react to having their candidate 'stolen' from them and replaced by this mysterious bloke who smells of catnip?

Do you imagine that they would, to a man (and woman) immediately see the error of their ways, repudiate their previous choice and fall in lock-step behind the new candidate?

As an intelligent bloke you know that this would not happen!

Shakespear, when you think for just a moment, yes, only a moment, you will understand that the Republican party has no better, more popular, candidate than Trump. Whether that's a bad or a good thing is a different matter. As the Republican candidate, chosen by your peers he should have been receiving your support, you failed, you failed to give that support.

So, why do you continue with these fictions, fictions that you KNOW to be, well, fictional?

It is YOU and people like you who were willing to countenance dishonesty from your party leadership, who did not bother to think about what was going on and who were unable to do their duty as Republican party members and support the candidate chosen by the Republican voting electorate who are enabling the very outcome that you claim to be unacceptable to you.

I have said it before and will happily repeat it: The United States in the ONLY country in the world where the Turkeys reliably choose to vote for Christmas (or Thanksgiving).

Consider yourself well trained, well programmed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2016, 06:19:27 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 20, 2016, 03:42:59 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 01:19:19 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 19, 2016, 01:17:23 PM

well all I can say is enjoy "utopia". you and your kind have been begging for it.

You "Trumpsters" made it happen by nominating a boob as your candidate.

Shakespear, I can not understand how a soi disant intelligent bloke can continue to not understand numbers as you do!

Here's the thing: If a candidate receives more votes for his selection than any other candidate then he is, by definition, more popular than the other candidates. This is not hard to understand, I am sure even for somebody schooled in the United States public education system.

There were no candidates in the primaries who had more votes than Trump.

So, where do you think that a more popular candidate would have appeared from?
Of course, the truth is that there was no more popular candidate. Trump was, and is, hugely popular. If I recall correctly he received more votes than any other Republican primary candidate in history.

Let us, in order to humour you, assume that there was some previously unknown candidate foisted upon the electorate by the Republican party (and we know that you think that this was an option because you reported your 'friends on the hill' as having confided in you about this matter.) How do you think that the millions of voters who chose Trump would react to having their candidate 'stolen' from them and replaced by this mysterious bloke who smells of catnip?

Do you imagine that they would, to a man (and woman) immediately see the error of their ways, repudiate their previous choice and fall in lock-step behind the new candidate?

As an intelligent bloke you know that this would not happen!

Shakespear, when you think for just a moment, yes, only a moment, you will understand that the Republican party has no better, more popular, candidate than Trump. Whether that's a bad or a good thing is a different matter. As the Republican candidate, chosen by your peers he should have been receiving your support, you failed, you failed to give that support.

So, why do you continue with these fictions, fictions that you KNOW to be, well, fictional?

It is YOU and people like you who were willing to countenance dishonesty from your party leadership, who did not bother to think about what was going on and who were unable to do their duty as Republican party members and support the candidate chosen by the Republican voting electorate who are enabling the very outcome that you claim to be unacceptable to you.

I have said it before and will happily repeat it: The United States in the ONLY country in the world where the Turkeys reliably choose to vote for Christmas (or Thanksgiving).

Consider yourself well trained, well programmed.

the Shakespear fellow is indeed well programmed. Paul Ryan and John Kasich for example are proof that orthodox Republicans are now one party career politicians. It seems to be some sort of thriller every election year to pretend that the two parties are so different, when in fact when a truly different character such as Trump came along, the party honcho's all freaked out and did what they could behind scenes to stop him.

There was no stopping the most popular Republican candidate in the history of the party so now we just wait until November 8 to vote and November 9 to see if there's a clear winner. I do not expect a clear winner as project Veritas and past actions of Democrats have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that they are the party of cheaters, bully's, obfuscators, liars and rapists. Bill Clinton got away with raping half a dozen women and Hillary hired PI's to bully those women and she called it a "bimbo explosion". Always a double standard.

Now the media talking heads are up in arms because Trump refused to commit to honoring possible results til the very end when he could see what had happened. Dem's forget that Al Gore did not accept the results right away back in 2000 and sued and there were recounts, etc. and we didn't know who was going to be President until almost Christmas.

shakespear says he was going to vomit but voted Trump but Ohio republican party did not help to support the nominee in this key state -- why?

because you is correct -- they've been programmed to pretend to be different but really they're part of the con -- just change off now and then, make lots of money, become rich and repeat.

this year the "establishment" got screwed by the people instead of the stablishment doin the screwin and they don't like it. too bad.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2016, 06:29:04 AM

For those who are interested here is the timeline from the year 2000 election which was George Bush, Jr. versus Al Gore. Al Gore did win more popular votes but the final result is that Bush Jr. became President. I expect a similar drawn out event this year because Hillary and company are CROOKS and will indeed attempt to win with FRAUD but Trump is a clever cat, persistent and the fighter the American people really want.

Only difference of course being that dictator Hussein might unleash his "black lives matter" thug protestor's, paid for by Soros and company to turn our cities into Hell. It's going to be a long drawn out nightmare for some folks.

http://uselectionatlas.org/INFORMATION/ARTICLES/pe2000timeline.php

Those who don't want to read this very fascinating timeline; I will sum it up this way. George Bush Jr. ended up winning the overall tally for the state of Florida by only 537 votes. Thus he was awarded the 25 electoral votes of Florida, which made him the President.

When people say their vote doesn't count, they should have to read this time line and to see that the key state of Florida was awarded to Bush, Jr. by only 537 votes. You could say he won the Presidency by only 537 votes, in a way.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 20, 2016, 07:16:13 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 01:52:05 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 19, 2016, 01:37:09 PM
My view remains, that Trump will beat Hillary. I haven't done all the fancy guesstimating on the EC, but will instead wait until the morning of the 9th.

I'll make it simple for ya.

If he loses Florida he cannot win the EC.

Making things simple sometimes fails to do justice to the situation.

If Clinton carries Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Indiana, Arizona OR Minnesota, she wins because she is currently only ten electoral votes short. Trump, on the other hand, needs Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Indiana, Arizona, Minnesota AND Nevada to win because he is currently one hundred electoral votes short.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2016, 08:41:07 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 19, 2016, 09:04:38 PM

Observations on the debate tonight:

1. Chris Wallace set the standard for excellent debate moderation. Tough questions to both sides. Fantastic job.

2. Score on debate points: another draw.

I put it as a win for Trump but it was close. Trump's best performance was the 2nd debate which he won handily. The first debate I also believe he won but barely.

Watching propaganda of "good morning America" right now w/ Clinton mouthpiece George Stephanopolis and mockingbird Candy Crowley and they claim Hittlery won all 3 debates. Unbelievable the amount of false narratives these shows put out for the sheep. The good thing though in this case is that many or most sheep for H. will stay home and not vote since they are complacent and think she won.

Meanwhile it appears that Hillary gave 400 Million to ISIS by accident. :dh:

http://nevo.news/index.php/2016/09/07/developing-obama-wh-admits-that-hillary-gave-isis-400-million-on-accident/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2016, 08:47:09 AM

The best part of last night's debate was in my opinion when Trump told Hittlery that if she cared about women and gays she should return all of the money she took from Saudi Arabia and others. In fact at the precise moment that he said: "they throw gays off of buildings" she actually smirked her annoying smirk and then laughed. This is trending HUGE on social media right now.

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ScottInSC <a href="https://twitter.com/ScottInSC">@ScottInSC</a> <br>I guess pushing gay people off of buildings is funny <a href="https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton">@HillaryClinton</a>?<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/debatenight?src=hash">#debatenight</a> <a href="https://t.co/zzrq3Q7RYH">pic.twitter.com/zzrq3Q7RYH</a></p>— ????ANGELS 4 TRUMP???? (@StopStopHillary) <a href="https://twitter.com/StopStopHillary/status/788954448123064320">October 20, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 20, 2016, 09:10:25 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 20, 2016, 08:41:07 AM

Trump's best performance was the 2nd debate which he won handily.

Absolutely! Just look at how he shot up in the polls after his stellar performance on 9 October!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2016, 09:11:04 AM

Story about George Soros spending 33 Million to bankroll the Ferguson protests. This is clear evidence of interference in American democracy by this globalist scum. In project Veritas evidence was shown that protestors were paid to disrupt a planned rally in Chicago by Trump which had to be called off.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2913625/Billionaire-George-Soros-spent-33MILLION-bankrolling-Ferguson-demonstrators-create-echo-chamber-drive-national-protests.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 20, 2016, 09:16:22 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 19, 2016, 12:38:22 PM

I read Kant and Nietzsche in the original German cos I'm über-pretentious and have a nice coffee table to put them on so I look cool. I also have a plastic bag to carry them around in.

As Wittgenstein once said "Wenn ist das Nunstück git und Slotermeyer? Ja! Beiherhund das Oder die Flipperwaldt gersput!", you certainly can't argue with that.

How are you getting on with 'The Cat in the Hat'? Need help with the words?

:ROFL:

Seriously, IF you are 'in' to this Philosophical 'bollox' - one of SC's best mates' husbands is a Professor specialising in the German Philosophers.... Simply cannot understand how these arty academics earn a livelihood - but Vova is a great guy - even though we can only communicate in Russian .. My German isn't up to it .... :-[

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 20, 2016, 09:25:04 AM

The irony of the Daily Mail quoting from the WT should not be lost on us ....

In the meantime, isn't it wonderful that Soros seems so open about the tax he pays .... :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 20, 2016, 11:17:55 AM

United States Bars Russian Election Monitors from Nov 8th Polls

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/united-states-bars-russian-monitors-presidential-polls-elections-commission/ri17131

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2016, 11:54:49 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 20, 2016, 11:17:55 AM

United States Bars Russian Election Monitors from Nov 8th Polls

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/united-states-bars-russian-monitors-presidential-polls-elections-commission/ri17131

What a crock of horse manure. in the 2008 election between Romney and Obama one precinct reported 92 votes for Obama and only one for Romney. An election monitor for that precinct just recently went on the record that the people running it were professional thugs for the Dem's. One lady was so high that all she had was her pill box as ID and she was incoherent so they "voted" for her. Another was blind and in a wheel chair and they "assisted" her. The monitor made a report to a Republican lawyer who decided not to lodge a formal complaint at the time.

This notion that the USA has fair elections was proven to be untrue with JFK versus Nixon (I think it was W. Virginian that may have needed checking out) and recently w/ Obama versus Romney and now with these clowns exposed by project Veritas.

Dictator Hussein Obama is a lawless hypocrite.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2016, 11:57:20 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2016, 09:10:25 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 20, 2016, 08:41:07 AM
Trump's best performance was the 2nd debate which he won handily.

Absolutely! Just look at how he shot up in the polls after his stellar performance on 9 October!

more "polls" to wipe yer ass with from a "main steet" believin' clown.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 20, 2016, 01:16:55 PM

Did you hear Hillary Clinton in the debate last night reveal that it only takes 4 minutes to spin our nuclear weapons arsenal once the President gives the command? Have you ever heard a President make a public statement like that regarding our nuclear capabilities?

Quite probably she revealing "classified information" in the public debate to the entire world.

This woman has no business in the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 20, 2016, 01:21:16 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 20, 2016, 08:41:07 AM

I put it as a win for Trump but it was close. Trump's best performance was the 2nd debate which he won handily. The first debate I also believe he won but barely.

Wallace helped Trump by actually asking her the questions the previous Democrat-leaning moderators wouldn't ask. Because he's such a political neophyte, and has poor political instincts, he missed repeated opportunities to nail Hillary Clinton.

Draw.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2016, 01:27:01 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 20, 2016, 01:16:55 PM

Did you hear Hillary Clinton in the debate last night reveal that it only takes 4 minutes to spin our nuclear weapons arsenal once the President gives the command? Have you ever heard a President make a public statement like that regarding our nuclear capabilities?

Quite probably she revealing "classified information" in the public debate to the entire world.

This woman has no business in the White House.

Yes. she never should have been allowed to run, 1st place. should be indicted for mishandling classified info and lying under oath to the FBI.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 20, 2016, 01:56:50 PM

Apart from the likelihood that what she shared is almost certainly NOT a secret I don't think that she gave much away. However, I'd lay odds that is is classified as a secret of some kind.

Truth is, we already know that she is a traitor to the Untied States, that she shares secret information and arranges her affairs to make such sharings easier. Shakespear is right, she should not have been able to stand as a candidate. That she is standing and that very few people appear to be taking any notice of her treachery probably tells the unconvinced as much as they need to know to understand that the current silliness is not an election. I am certain that if a candidate could have been found who could stand as a Republican, garner more votes than Trump AND act as an agent of change (as Trump is doing) then we would be seeing exactly the same tricks, lies and warmongering as we are seeing now. Only if the opposing candidate was Republican and NOT an agent of change would this farrago not be happening.

Remember, a vote for Trump is, for millions of people, not a vote for the Republican candidate for president but a vote for a change to a corrupt and rotten system.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2016, 02:40:53 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 20, 2016, 01:56:50 PM

Apart from the likelihood that what she shared is almost certainly NOT a secret I don't think that she gave much away. However, I'd lay odds that is is classified as a secret of some kind.

Truth is, we already know that she is a traitor to the Untied States, that she shares secret information and arranges her affairs to make such sharings easier. Shakespear is right, she should not have been able to stand as a candidate. That she is standing and that very few people appear to be taking any notice of her treachery probably tells the unconvinced as much as they need to know to understand that the current silliness is not an election. I am certain that if a candidate could have been found who could stand as a Republican, garner more votes than Trump AND act as an agent of change (as Trump is doing) then we would be seeing exactly the same tricks, lies and warmongering as we are seeing now. Only if the opposing candidate was Republican and NOT an agent of change would this farrago not be happening.

Remember, a vote for Trump is, for millions of people, not a vote for the Republican candidate for president but a vote for a change to a corrupt and rotten system.

what you likely don't know is that she is one of "them". As is Hussein Obama, as was Bush Jr and Bush Sr, as was her husband Bill.

by one of them I mean the lawless bunch of rogues in the CIA who control that portion of our country. so a Republican who you say was going to shake things up like Trump -- well that would not have worked for "them" either.

at least these are the suspicions of alex jones at info wars, and others.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 20, 2016, 02:53:01 PM

^
There is not a lot that you can do about the situation except to use your vote...

None of the US nor the European media will print anything incriminating against her, because they are mostly owned by her backers, or are just afraid of any repercussions against them...

To put it bluntly, unless enough people come to their senses and vote Trump, you are all ferked... :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2016, 03:06:12 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 20, 2016, 02:53:01 PM

^
There is not a lot that you can do about the situation except to use your vote...

None of the US nor the European media will print anything incriminating against her, because they are mostly owned by her backers, or are just afraid of any repercussions against them...

To put it bluntly, unless enough people come to their senses and vote Trump, you are all ferked... :coffeeread:

I'm fairly certain those of us already committed to voting for trump are acutely aware of this. if she wins we don't know how fast she can proceed with her plan to destroy the usa from inside out and become part of some sort of globalist "happy" cabal.

you probably are aware Obama already has turned the internet over to some sort of outside group, or so I've been told; must look into it.

if she wins I suspect she'l wipe everything negative about herself from the net, and impose a penalty of being a traitor to the usa if you get the info or have it already and send you to a fema camp of sorts or worse.

just look at what happened to tim mcveigh. he was just an unwitting pawn, used by a rogue fbi agent and "sheep dipped" into an off the records branch of cia. then put to death. bye bye!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 20, 2016, 03:23:20 PM

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/anonymous-video-bill-clinton-raping-13-yr-old-girl-will-plunge-race-chaos/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=im

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 20, 2016, 05:09:45 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 20, 2016, 11:57:20 AM

more "polls" to wipe yer ass with from a "main steet" believin' clown.

I'm glad that you enjoy them so much, Jim; I'll be sure to post an update after the current data ages out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 20, 2016, 05:25:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 20, 2016, 03:06:12 PM

if she wins I suspect she'l wipe everything negative about herself from the net, and impose a penalty of being a traitor to the usa if you get the info or have it already and send you to a fema camp of sorts or worse.

Right-wing wackos have been wailing about FEMA camps, repurposed cattle cars and guillotines since the 1980s. You should get with the times, Jim. The "in" things nowadays are nanobot implants, mysterious black liquids and alien infestation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 20, 2016, 05:32:47 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 20, 2016, 01:16:55 PM

Did you hear Hillary Clinton in the debate last night reveal that it only takes 4 minutes to spin our nuclear weapons arsenal once the President gives the command? Have you ever heard a President make a public statement like that regarding our nuclear capabilities?

Quite probably she revealing "classified information" in the public debate to the entire world.

This woman has no business in the White House.

That number has been thrown around since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

http://www.snopes.com/clinton-four-minute-nuclear/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2016, 06:07:21 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2016, 05:25:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 20, 2016, 03:06:12 PM
if she wins I suspect she'l wipe everything negative about herself from the net, and impose a penalty of being a traitor to the usa if you get the info or have it already and send you to a fema camp of sorts or worse.

Right-wing wackos

can you tell me the difference between a left-wing wacko and a right-wing one?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 20, 2016, 06:29:09 PM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-20%20at%207.24.01%20PM_zpsiifkpshb.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2016, 07:34:24 PM

latest Rasmussen poll:

TRUMP 43%

CLINTON 40%

and it gets much better amongst the undecided, who may determine the winner. #MAGA

http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/rasmussen-delivers-post-debate-poll-triumph-for-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 20, 2016, 07:35:36 PM

Perhaps RUA's resident poll experts can explain this chart?

An 18% positive change in Democrats in the poll makeup for the Reuters/Ipsos- over a course of WEEKS.

Explains Hillary's obstinate lead despite her poor debate performance, Wikileaks, the Sept. 11th "pneumonia" stumble, etc.

(https://i.sli.mg/t6Tpus.png)

HOG SLAUGHTER. Remember those words, folks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2016, 07:45:45 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 20, 2016, 07:35:36 PM

Perhaps RUA's resident poll experts can explain this chart?

An 18% positive change in Democrats in the poll makeup for the Reuters/Ipsos- over a course of WEEKS.

Explains Hillary's obstinate lead despite her poor debate performance, Wikileaks, the Sept. 11th "pneumonia" stumble, etc.

(https://i.sli.mg/t6Tpus.png)

HOG SLAUGHTER. Remember those words, folks.

can you explain this in laymen's terms? I'll go out on a limb and guess that you mean they've been deliberately polling twice as many registered Democrats as Republicans?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2016, 07:49:36 PM

http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/okeefe-fallout-fec-asked-to-probe-hillary-supporters/

the Federal Election Committee has been asked to investigate the paid rioters who disrupted Trump rally's with violence. Lemme guess, she'll weasel out of any charges in this as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2016, 08:50:25 PM

Quote from: Maxx on October 20, 2016, 06:29:09 PM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-20%20at%207.24.01%20PM_zpsiifkpshb.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 21, 2016, 12:21:53 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 20, 2016, 03:06:12 PM

you probably are aware Obama already has turned the internet over to some sort of outside group, or so I've been told; must look into it.

Obama didn't turn it over, the Internet became a global network of computers and is present in all of the world.

Otherwise, it'd be an American-only situation much like China has.

Mark.
PS: What did happen is that the ip-address space registration which is managed by Icann has become an NGO instead of a GO.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 21, 2016, 12:42:18 AM

I just watched the third debate. I think Trump did well.

The Clinton creature started ranting about Russia 20 minutes in, claiming Putin had "personally sanctioned" hacking and disruption to the election process. She ended up sounding like Moby. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 21, 2016, 04:19:43 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 21, 2016, 12:42:18 AM

I just watched the third debate. I think Trump did well.

The Clinton creature started ranting about Russia 20 minutes in, claiming Putin had "personally sanctioned" hacking and disruption to the election process. She ended up sounding like Moby. :chuckle:

Haven't had a chance to watch it yet. BabyDS been poorly, in hospital of late so rather weary. Maybe tonight I can play catch up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 21, 2016, 07:06:38 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 21, 2016, 12:42:18 AM

I just watched the third debate. I think Trump did well.

The Clinton creature started ranting about Russia 20 minutes in, claiming Putin had "personally sanctioned" hacking and disruption to the election process. She ended up sounding like Moby. :chuckle:

On that topic, after all the harpy's moans about how Wikileaks was a front for Russia: http://conservativebyte.com/2016/10/former-u-k-ambassador-visits-assange-and-comes-back-with-huge-info/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 21, 2016, 08:00:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 20, 2016, 06:07:21 PM

can you tell me the difference between a left-wing wacko and a right-wing one?

One side posts stupid memes and the other does not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 21, 2016, 08:06:42 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2016, 05:32:47 PM

That number has been thrown around since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

While that's true Tom, I don't think you can find any government official that has publicly confirmed that fact until Hillary did it Tuesday night.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2016, 08:55:05 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 21, 2016, 12:42:18 AM

I just watched the third debate. I think Trump did well.

The Clinton creature started ranting about Russia 20 minutes in, claiming Putin had "personally sanctioned" hacking and disruption to the election process. She ended up sounding like Moby. :chuckle:

trying to deflect and blame others is a Democrap cherished behavior.

It is like saying: "we blame Russia for attempting to rig our election by exposing that we rigged the democrat primaries against Bernie Sanders."

I doubt there were any hacking at all. I think it were an internal mole who was furious at their brazen corruption.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2016, 08:56:24 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 21, 2016, 07:06:38 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 21, 2016, 12:42:18 AM
I just watched the third debate. I think Trump did well.

The Clinton creature started ranting about Russia 20 minutes in, claiming Putin had "personally sanctioned" hacking and disruption to the election process. She ended up sounding like Moby. :chuckle:

On that topic, after all the harpy's moans about how Wikileaks was a front for Russia: http://conservativebyte.com/2016/10/former-u-k-ambassador-visits-assange-and-comes-back-with-huge-info/

here you go.

"The control of the Democratic party machinery deliberately to unfairly ensure Clinton’s victory over Bernie Sanders is a matter of great public interest. The attempt by the establishment from Obama down to divert attention from this by a completely spurious claim against Russia, repeated without investigation by a servile media, is a disgrace."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2016, 08:58:41 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 20, 2016, 07:34:24 PM

latest Rasmussen poll:

TRUMP 43%

CLINTON 40%

and it gets much better amongst the undecided, who may determine the winner. #MAGA

http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/rasmussen-delivers-post-debate-poll-triumph-for-trump/

no smart alecky response from the guy posting polls? guess he don't like 'em unless they repeat the usual liberal hopes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2016, 09:02:44 AM

I seen that on this one here people can read this easy.

Quote from: andrewfi on October 21, 2016, 07:06:38 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 21, 2016, 12:42:18 AM
I just watched the third debate. I think Trump did well.

The Clinton creature started ranting about Russia 20 minutes in, claiming Putin had "personally sanctioned" hacking and disruption to the election process. She ended up sounding like Moby. :chuckle:

On that topic, after all the harpy's moans about how Wikileaks was a front for Russia: http://conservativebyte.com/2016/10/former-u-k-ambassador-visits-assange-and-comes-back-with-huge-info/

"I can tell you with 100% certainty that it is not any Russian state actor or proxy that gave the Democratic National Committee and Podesta material to WikiLeaks. The claim is nonsense. Journalists are also publishing that these were obtained by “hacking” with no evidence that this was the method used to obtain them.

The control of the Democratic party machinery deliberately to unfairly ensure Clinton’s victory over Bernie Sanders is a matter of great public interest. The attempt by the establishment from Obama down to divert attention from this by a completely spurious claim against Russia, repeated without investigation by a servile media, is a disgrace."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 21, 2016, 10:25:31 AM

The Fact That 17 Intelligence Agencies Confirmed Russia is Behind the Email Hacks Isn’t Actually…a Fact

It was actually only 'confirmed' by one guy, James Clapper, the political appointee who is the head of US intelligence and even then not really

http://russia-insider.com/en/fact-17-intelligence-agencies-confirmed-russia-behind-email-hacks-isnt-actuallya-fact/ri17147

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 21, 2016, 10:33:43 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 21, 2016, 08:06:42 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2016, 05:32:47 PM
That number has been thrown around since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

While that's true Tom, I don't think you can find any government official that has publicly confirmed that fact until Hillary did it Tuesday night.

I would suggest that the figure stated is probably correct, as a time from the Presidents authorisation - to launch, however, one must remember, that at such a point, the countries missiles would be at DEFCON 1, any other state, then much more time would be needed to prepare, fuel, warm-up etc.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 21, 2016, 10:35:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 08:58:41 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 20, 2016, 07:34:24 PM
latest Rasmussen poll:

TRUMP 43%

CLINTON 40%

and it gets much better amongst the undecided, who may determine the winner. #MAGA

http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/rasmussen-delivers-post-debate-poll-triumph-for-trump/

no smart alecky response from the guy posting polls? guess he don't like 'em unless they repeat the usual liberal hopes.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/rasmussen-16677

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 21, 2016, 10:37:56 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 20, 2016, 11:54:49 AM

What a crock of horse manure. in the 2008 election between Romney and Obama one precinct reported 92 votes for Obama and only one for Romney. An election monitor for that precinct just recently went on the record that the people running it were professional thugs for the Dem's. One lady was so high that all she had was her pill box as ID and she was incoherent so they "voted" for her. Another was blind and in a wheel chair and they "assisted" her. The monitor made a report to a Republican lawyer who decided not to lodge a formal complaint at the time.

This notion that the USA has fair elections was proven to be untrue with JFK versus Nixon (I think it was W. Virginian that may have needed checking out) and recently w/ Obama versus Romney and now with these clowns exposed by project Veritas.

Dictator Hussein Obama is a lawless hypocrite.

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 21, 2016, 10:38:33 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 09:02:44 AM

I seen that on this one here people can read this easy.

Quote from: andrewfi on October 21, 2016, 07:06:38 AM
Quote from: Manny on October 21, 2016, 12:42:18 AM
I just watched the third debate. I think Trump did well.

The Clinton creature started ranting about Russia 20 minutes in, claiming Putin had "personally sanctioned" hacking and disruption to the election process. She ended up sounding like Moby. :chuckle:

On that topic, after all the harpy's moans about how Wikileaks was a front for Russia: http://conservativebyte.com/2016/10/former-u-k-ambassador-visits-assange-and-comes-back-with-huge-info/

"I can tell you with 100% certainty that it is not any Russian state actor or proxy that gave the Democratic National Committee and Podesta material to WikiLeaks. The claim is nonsense. Journalists are also publishing that these were obtained by “hacking” with no evidence that this was the method used to obtain them.

The control of the Democratic party machinery deliberately to unfairly ensure Clinton’s victory over Bernie Sanders is a matter of great public interest. The attempt by the establishment from Obama down to divert attention from this by a completely spurious claim against Russia, repeated without investigation by a servile media, is a disgrace."

The Land of the FREE..... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 21, 2016, 10:55:44 AM

Over here in civilisation we understand that when someone says "I think maybe that possibly, in the opinion of somebody, that it looks as though the indications are that it might be the case that, if this thing happened, which we don't know for sure that it did, then maybe they might have done it" is not generally regarded as being a statement of fact.

Over here, in the civilised world, the large, and largely uncivilised bit looks more and more queer with each passing day.

Problem is that the large uncivilised bit has a lot of weapons that make a big bang and we understand that, even though the level of stupid is high over there, for the time being the crazies still know how to press the big red button in just 4 minutes. That worries civilised people, quite a lot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2016, 11:04:30 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 21, 2016, 10:55:44 AM

Over here in civilisation we understand that when someone says "I think maybe that possibly, in the opinion of somebody, that it looks as though the indications are that it might be the case that, if this thing happened, which we don't know for sure that it did, then maybe they might have done it" is not generally regarded as being a statement of fact.

Over here, in the civilised world, the large, and largely uncivilised bit looks more and more queer with each passing day.

Problem is that the large uncivilised bit has a lot of weapons that make a big bang and we understand that, even though the level of stupid is high over there, for the time being the crazies still know how to press the big red button in just 4 minutes. That worries civilised people, quite a lot.

H. has only made us look uncivilized in her bid to have more and more power, without any oversight. she's on record as calling Democrap voters stupid and easy to deceive. she's on record of knowing that ISIS is sponsored by Saudi Arabia yet she took $$ from them. she's on record as saying she wants "compliant" citizens.

there are more rational people in various offices throughout the land. don't judge an entire country by just one person and her cronies. those sort of elitists who don't serve the public interest but only their own can be found in all countries.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2016, 11:05:58 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 21, 2016, 10:37:56 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 20, 2016, 11:54:49 AM
What a crock of horse manure. in the 2008 election between Romney and Obama one precinct reported 92 votes for Obama and only one for Romney. An election monitor for that precinct just recently went on the record that the people running it were professional thugs for the Dem's. One lady was so high that all she had was her pill box as ID and she was incoherent so they "voted" for her. Another was blind and in a wheel chair and they "assisted" her. The monitor made a report to a Republican lawyer who decided not to lodge a formal complaint at the time.

This notion that the USA has fair elections was proven to be untrue with JFK versus Nixon (I think it was W. Virginian that may have needed checking out) and recently w/ Obama versus Romney and now with these clowns exposed by project Veritas.

Dictator Hussein Obama is a lawless hypocrite.

:ROFL:

Let us just see if you're laughing and smirking early morning November 9.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 21, 2016, 11:13:53 AM

Sadly, when I see turkeys voting for Christmas, year after year - and winning the vote, then you must excuse me for thinking that there's a whole lot of turkeys present.

To be clear, I like turkeys, they taste great. But they are god's candidate for the most 'differently abled' in the bird kingdom.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2016, 11:17:24 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 21, 2016, 10:35:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 08:58:41 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 20, 2016, 07:34:24 PM
latest Rasmussen poll:

TRUMP 43%

CLINTON 40%

and it gets much better amongst the undecided, who may determine the winner. #MAGA

http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/rasmussen-delivers-post-debate-poll-triumph-for-trump/

no smart alecky response from the guy posting polls? guess he don't like 'em unless they repeat the usual liberal hopes.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/polls/rasmussen-16677

I see you are clinging to the notion that Trump is a wimp like romney was.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 21, 2016, 11:23:26 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 21, 2016, 11:13:53 AM

Sadly, when I see turkeys voting for Christmas, year after year - and winning the vote, then you must excuse me for thinking that there's a whole lot of turkeys present.

To be clear, I like turkeys, they taste great. But they are god's candidate for the most 'differently abled' in the bird kingdom.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 21, 2016, 11:23:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 11:04:30 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 21, 2016, 10:55:44 AM
Over here in civilisation we understand that when someone says "I think maybe that possibly, in the opinion of somebody, that it looks as though the indications are that it might be the case that, if this thing happened, which we don't know for sure that it did, then maybe they might have done it" is not generally regarded as being a statement of fact.

Over here, in the civilised world, the large, and largely uncivilised bit looks more and more queer with each passing day.

Problem is that the large uncivilised bit has a lot of weapons that make a big bang and we understand that, even though the level of stupid is high over there, for the time being the crazies still know how to press the big red button in just 4 minutes. That worries civilised people, quite a lot.

H. has only made us look uncivilized in her bid to have more and more power, without any oversight. she's on record as calling Democrap voters stupid and easy to deceive. she's on record of knowing that ISIS is sponsored by Saudi Arabia yet she took $$ from them. she's on record as saying she wants "compliant" citizens.

there are more rational people in various offices throughout the land. don't judge an entire country by just one person and her cronies. those sort of elitists who don't serve the public interest but only their own can be found in all countries.

ISIS is sponsored by the USA, everyone knows that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2016, 11:37:15 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 21, 2016, 11:23:26 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 21, 2016, 11:13:53 AM
Sadly, when I see turkeys voting for Christmas, year after year - and winning the vote, then you must excuse me for thinking that there's a whole lot of turkeys present.

To be clear, I like turkeys, they taste great. But they are god's candidate for the most 'differently abled' in the bird kingdom.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2016, 11:39:53 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 21, 2016, 11:23:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 11:04:30 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on October 21, 2016, 10:55:44 AM
Over here in civilisation we understand that when someone says "I think maybe that possibly, in the opinion of somebody, that it looks as though the indications are that it might be the case that, if this thing happened, which we don't know for sure that it did, then maybe they might have done it" is not generally regarded as being a statement of fact.

Over here, in the civilised world, the large, and largely uncivilised bit looks more and more queer with each passing day.

Problem is that the large uncivilised bit has a lot of weapons that make a big bang and we understand that, even though the level of stupid is high over there, for the time being the crazies still know how to press the big red button in just 4 minutes. That worries civilised people, quite a lot.

H. has only made us look uncivilized in her bid to have more and more power, without any oversight. she's on record as calling Democrap voters stupid and easy to deceive. she's on record of knowing that ISIS is sponsored by Saudi Arabia yet she took $$ from them. she's on record as saying she wants "compliant" citizens.

there are more rational people in various offices throughout the land. don't judge an entire country by just one person and her cronies. those sort of elitists who don't serve the public interest but only their own can be found in all countries.

ISIS is sponsored by the USA, everyone knows that.

go back to philosophy this is too complex for guys watchin' cartoons with their cap n crunch.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2016, 03:19:11 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 21, 2016, 12:21:53 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 20, 2016, 03:06:12 PM
you probably are aware Obama already has turned the internet over to some sort of outside group, or so I've been told; must look into it.
Obama didn't turn it over, the Internet became a global network of computers and is present in all of the world.

Otherwise, it'd be an American-only situation much like China has.

Mark.
PS: What did happen is that the ip-address space registration which is managed by Icann has become an NGO instead of a GO.

we don't trust Emperor Hussein and we don't trust the united nations either. maybe you do?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/an-internet-giveaway-to-the-u-n-1472421165

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/internet-transition-icann-227864

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 21, 2016, 04:38:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 03:19:11 PM

we don't trust Emperor Hussein and we don't trust the united nations either. maybe you do?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/an-internet-giveaway-to-the-u-n-1472421165

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/internet-transition-icann-227864

The ICANN is not the internet.

In fact, the ICANN is only a very small part of it. I am glad this change happened, it was the last part that needed to be globalized.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 21, 2016, 05:00:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 11:05:58 AM

Let us just see if you're laughing and smirking early morning November 9.

Think hard, Jim. Who ran against Obama/Biden in 2008?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 21, 2016, 08:45:18 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 11:04:30 AM

... she's on record as calling Democrap voters stupid and easy to deceive.

Actually, people who listen to Fox News are stupid and easy to deceive.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-stupid-quote/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2016, 09:22:17 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 21, 2016, 04:38:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 03:19:11 PM
we don't trust Emperor Hussein and we don't trust the united nations either. maybe you do?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/an-internet-giveaway-to-the-u-n-1472421165

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/internet-transition-icann-227864
The ICANN is not the internet.

In fact, the ICANN is only a very small part of it. I am glad this change happened, it was the last part that needed to be globalized.

provided that alternative sources of information such as that provided by info wars and other various alternative theories which are derisively referred to as "conspiracy theory's" do not disappear I suppose it should be okay? that is what we've been warned about.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2016, 09:27:34 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 21, 2016, 08:45:18 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 11:04:30 AM
... she's on record as calling Democrap voters stupid and easy to deceive.

Actually, people who listen to Fox News are stupid and easy to deceive.

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-stupid-quote/

Or maybe you're just too dumb to realize that someone like Hillary can easily make quotes disappear due to her "connections". Who sponsors Snopes? I don't trust it.

Thankfully she hasn't been able to make Wiki Leaks disappear as of yet although I suspect Juliane Assange may indeed end up dead shortly. Yet another victim of Bill and Killary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2016, 09:31:46 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 21, 2016, 05:00:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 11:05:58 AM
Let us just see if you're laughing and smirking early morning November 9.

Think hard, Jim. Who ran against Obama/Biden in 2008?

It really doesn't matter if it were McCaine/Palin or Romney/Ryan; all weaklings no where near a match for Trump.

and as you seem to keep doing, you're far underestimating how angry a very large percent of the voting population is.

I suggest you come back after you get educamated and tell me what percentage of Democraps voted in these primaries versus last outing?

compare this to percent gained of Republican voters this outing and time before.

so then post a chart that matter, stead of your usual "happy" bull.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2016, 09:38:43 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 21, 2016, 10:38:33 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 09:02:44 AM
I seen that on this one here people can read this easy.

Quote from: andrewfi on October 21, 2016, 07:06:38 AM
Quote from: Manny on October 21, 2016, 12:42:18 AM
I just watched the third debate. I think Trump did well.

The Clinton creature started ranting about Russia 20 minutes in, claiming Putin had "personally sanctioned" hacking and disruption to the election process. She ended up sounding like Moby. :chuckle:

On that topic, after all the harpy's moans about how Wikileaks was a front for Russia: http://conservativebyte.com/2016/10/former-u-k-ambassador-visits-assange-and-comes-back-with-huge-info/

"I can tell you with 100% certainty that it is not any Russian state actor or proxy that gave the Democratic National Committee and Podesta material to WikiLeaks. The claim is nonsense. Journalists are also publishing that these were obtained by “hacking” with no evidence that this was the method used to obtain them.

The control of the Democratic party machinery deliberately to unfairly ensure Clinton’s victory over Bernie Sanders is a matter of great public interest. The attempt by the establishment from Obama down to divert attention from this by a completely spurious claim against Russia, repeated without investigation by a servile media, is a disgrace."

The Land of the FREE..... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

yeah we really think this is a make or break year. Trump blows up the "establishment" and brings back some real freedoms and fairness for many Americans or Hittlery does what she does and it gets worse and worse.

if she wins doubtful the republican party will continue to exist as it had before. we already been almost one party of professional carpet baggers but with open borders we'll just implode.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 22, 2016, 02:09:09 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 09:22:17 PM

provided that alternative sources of information such as that provided by info wars and other various alternative theories which are derisively referred to as "conspiracy theory's" do not disappear I suppose it should be okay? that is ..what we've been warned about.

Thats 180 degrees turned around. With the USA gov't no longer overseeing icann, if anything it will be easier to keep conspiracy sites alive because the NFS/CIA/FBI/others. cant just bust in anymore and take the domain name like they used to do with copyright infringements. The biggest problem people foresaw with this change is that the USA doesn't own the .gov and .mil domains.... so they'd better get cracking and reserve them for ownership before the ICANN frees them up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 22, 2016, 03:38:30 AM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 22, 2016, 07:54:47 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 09:27:34 PM

Or maybe you're just too dumb to realize that someone like Hillary can easily make quotes disappear due to her "connections". Who sponsors Snopes? I don't trust it.

Thankfully she hasn't been able to make Wiki Leaks disappear as of yet although I suspect Juliane Assange may indeed end up dead shortly. Yet another victim of Bill and Killary.

If Hillary could make stupidity disappear, you would see that the two statements above are contradictory.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 22, 2016, 08:26:44 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 22, 2016, 07:54:47 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 09:27:34 PM
Or maybe you're just too dumb to realize that someone like Hillary can easily make quotes disappear due to her "connections". Who sponsors Snopes? I don't trust it.

Thankfully she hasn't been able to make Wiki Leaks disappear as of yet although I suspect Juliane Assange may indeed end up dead shortly. Yet another victim of Bill and Killary.

If Hillary could make stupidity disappear, you would see that the two statements above are contradictory.

Not really, Wikileaks is hosted on a variety of mirror servers, most beyond the reach of the US. Sweden (in a nuclear bunker) is the main one, but mirrors exist in Russia, China and elsewhere.

If the US could have taken Wikileaks down, they would have done.

Most sites are hosted in places that the US can reach, and the Clinton Creature ^TM I expect will have had much content about her and her husband removed based on stuff I have read.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 22, 2016, 09:57:02 AM

This was a prescient moment on UK's Black Mirror some years ago, Brooker called it right. Waldo IS Trump!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 22, 2016, 01:51:27 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 22, 2016, 08:26:44 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 22, 2016, 07:54:47 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 09:27:34 PM
Or maybe you're just too dumb to realize that someone like Hillary can easily make quotes disappear due to her "connections". Who sponsors Snopes? I don't trust it.

Thankfully she hasn't been able to make Wiki Leaks disappear as of yet although I suspect Juliane Assange may indeed end up dead shortly. Yet another victim of Bill and Killary.

If Hillary could make stupidity disappear, you would see that the two statements above are contradictory.

Not really, Wikileaks is hosted on a variety of mirror servers, most beyond the reach of the US. Sweden (in a nuclear bunker) is the main one, but mirrors exist in Russia, China and elsewhere.

If the US could have taken Wikileaks down, they would have done.

Most sites are hosted in places that the US can reach, and the Clinton Creature ^TM I expect will have had much content about her and her husband removed based on stuff I have read.

the Hittlery and her puppet sheep followers loved Wiki Leaks when they leaked bad stuff about Bush Jr. and US actions in Afghanistan but now they've resorted to usual left-wing tactics to shut down freedom of speech and freedom of the press. the Clinton Creature (I like that one!) is on record as saying that Alex Jones of Info Wars does not have a right to broadcast and if she could shut him down she would. Look for this to happen soon after that evil creature gets into office if she wins, as well as Julian Assange may end up dead shortly but his work will go on.

Has anyone seen Snowden? a fascinating and mind-blowing cinematic experience, it must be seen on the big screen and it is worth every penny and more. changed my perception forever.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Boris on October 22, 2016, 01:57:43 PM

I can never fully trust an Oliver Stone movie...Snowden's interview with John Oliver was very interesting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 22, 2016, 02:01:45 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 22, 2016, 09:57:02 AM

This was a prescient moment on UK's Black Mirror some years ago, Brooker called it right. Waldo IS Trump!

funny stuff! just shows that any person and any subject can be twisted w/ good editing. And Trump is a bit cartoonish at times, but he knows it and he's not afraid to laugh at himself.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 22, 2016, 02:02:52 PM

Quote from: Boris on October 22, 2016, 01:57:43 PM

I can never fully trust an Oliver Stone movie...Snowden's interview with John Oliver was very interesting.

don't knock the move until you see it. Oliver Stone or not, it's true information which can be fully checked into.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 22, 2016, 02:08:10 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 22, 2016, 02:09:09 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2016, 09:22:17 PM

provided that alternative sources of information such as that provided by info wars and other various alternative theories which are derisively referred to as "conspiracy theory's" do not disappear I suppose it should be okay? that is ..what we've been warned about.
Thats 180 degrees turned around. With the USA gov't no longer overseeing icann, if anything it will be easier to keep conspiracy sites alive because the NFS/CIA/FBI/others. cant just bust in anymore and take the domain name like they used to do with copyright infringements. The biggest problem people foresaw with this change is that the USA doesn't own the .gov and .mil domains.... so they'd better get cracking and reserve them for ownership before the ICANN frees them up.

I hope you're right. Let's say you are -- so good for you and the rest of the World, but what's going to happen within the USA if the wrong person gets into the Presidency? The major revelation of Snowden was that over 300 Billion searches and monitoring of peoples social media posting was done WITHIN the usa and less than half on our alleged enemy Russia for example. Our govt. doesn't like us and no longer works for us, per our Constitution. they are corrupt, out of control and seem determined to take more of our freedoms away any way they can.

I'm old fashioned and believe the best "intel" is on the ground human beings in neighborhoods, not a bunch of pervy types being allowed access to private stuff they should not have.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 22, 2016, 02:10:18 PM

Quote from: Maxx on October 22, 2016, 03:38:30 AM

yeah, many hope the "polls" are bogus just like they were in England. and that cock-s%$*@# Hussein O. had the nerve to go try to bully the English!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 22, 2016, 02:45:38 PM

anonymous poll claims that Trump leads Shillery 67% to 19%.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 22, 2016, 03:38:00 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 22, 2016, 02:01:45 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 22, 2016, 09:57:02 AM
This was a prescient moment on UK's Black Mirror some years ago, Brooker called it right. Waldo IS Trump!

funny stuff! just shows that any person and any subject can be twisted w/ good editing. And Trump is a bit cartoonish at times, but he knows it and he's not afraid to laugh at himself.

Watch the whole show, its on Netflix, this ep is from 2013, an earlier one depicts the UK PM having to :censored: a pig live on TV, Cameron stylee...

Brooker is a genius..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 22, 2016, 06:28:28 PM

the Shillery camp is getting really desperate. this one is unbelievable in its stupidity.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/adult-film-star-latest-to-accuse-trump/ar-AAjhnv4?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

A Billionaire is NOT going to pay some skanky std infected "adult actress" $10,000. Gloria Allred is a known activist and hitperson for her clients (in this case Hittlery aka Shillery aka the Clinton "Creature")

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 22, 2016, 07:18:48 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 22, 2016, 06:28:28 PM

the Shillery camp is getting really desperate. this one is unbelievable in its stupidity.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/adult-film-star-latest-to-accuse-trump/ar-AAjhnv4?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp

A Billionaire is NOT going to pay some skanky std infected "adult actress" $10,000. Gloria Allred is a known activist and hitperson for her clients (in this case Hittlery aka Shillery aka the Clinton "Creature")

I decided to look a photo of her up. She really is unimpressive. Trump would rate her about a 5.5

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 22, 2016, 10:25:19 PM

The latest Wiki Leaks bombshell! According to Wiki Leaks George Bush Jr. sent an email to Barrack Obama telling him about how to transition to being President BEFORE the 2008 election!!!

http://yournewswire.com/wikileaks-no-us-election/

it's been pretty clear to those who are thinkers that something was up here and it wasn't a good thing -- we couldn't figure out how a person so corrupt and incompetent could get so many passes from the media and a very good challenger was not getting fair coverage during this Presidential run -- now are deepest suspicions are coming true -- unless of course there is a huge avalanche of Trump/Pence voters November 8.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 22, 2016, 10:36:31 PM

Click on this link to get LIVE feeds of Donald J. Trump rally's which have capacity crowds AT ALL TIMES!!!

The Cleveland, Ohio rally featured Mayor Rudy Guiliano and was awesome!

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/10157952895095725/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 23, 2016, 01:37:21 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 22, 2016, 06:28:28 PM

A Billionaire is NOT going to pay some skanky std infected "adult actress" $10,000. Gloria Allred is a known activist and hitperson for her clients (in this case Hittlery aka Shillery aka the Clinton "Creature")

'Desperate' would surely be the Trump campaign ..Sure, the Democrats are busy digging dirt on him .. it's not like it's difficult...

The only 'danger' is he'll attract the vote of guys who'd hope to emulate him .... :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 08:19:50 AM

Quote from: msmoby on October 23, 2016, 01:37:21 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 22, 2016, 06:28:28 PM

A Billionaire is NOT going to pay some skanky std infected "adult actress" $10,000. Gloria Allred is a known activist and hitperson for her clients (in this case Hittlery aka Shillery aka the Clinton "Creature")

'Desperate' would surely be the Trump campaign ..Sure, the Democrats are busy digging dirt on him .. it's not like it's difficult...

The only 'danger' is he'll attract the vote of guys who'd hope to emulate him .... :chuckle:

what an idiotic statement! where to begin? suggest you dig some real information -- the Billy Bush "story" was edited and left out context, next the Dem's then planned to come up with these FAKE allegations; it's all in Wiki Leaks.

the same Dem's who paid one Chicago rioter $1610 to disrupt a Trump rally, which had to be canceled. The dirty tricks of Democraps are notorious, but this time their tricks have been well documented and they're not dealing with some wimp like Romney who will bend over and take it.

the creep who arranged these rioters visited the White House 342 times, so there's no denying that Dictator Hussein was involved in attempting to rig our election.

then there's ghoul Soros, paying 33 Million to interfere.

Desperation? yeah the Dem's are extremely desperate, because secretly away from the MSM & sheep they know what's coming.

you should keep your retarded statements away from our election and maybe deal with your own problems, like brexit.

Or get an education and watch a real Trump rally. it has nothing to do w/ your insinuations.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 08:43:27 AM

Donald J. Trump received his first endorsement by a major newspaper. Read about it here.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-lands-first-major-newspaper-endorsement/ar-AAjhTIP?li=BBnb7Kz

Editorial:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-donald-trump-president

"we are already distressingly familiar with the Clinton way, which involves turning public service into an orgy of influence peddling and entitlement designed to line their own pockets — precisely what a disgruntled electorate now rises up to protest."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 23, 2016, 08:54:28 AM

Kinda wondering how Trump rallies bring in tens of thousands motivated followers, yet the media continues to claim that Clinton is now in a double digits lead.
Meanwhile Clinton crowd's remain small almost nonexistent at times.
I think that the media claims are going to motivate many Hillary haters Trump supporters to vote where as if they felt Trump had a big enough lead their vote would not be as critical.

The media's bias may very well be the key to a Trump presidency.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 23, 2016, 08:59:45 AM

This is not choosing a leader, it's The X-Factor.......

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 23, 2016, 09:02:53 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 23, 2016, 08:54:28 AM

Kinda wondering how Trump rallies bring in tens of thousands motivated followers, yet the media continues to claim that Clinton is now in a double digits lead.
Meanwhile Clinton crowd's remain small almost nonexistent at times.
I think that the media claims are going to motivate many Hillary haters Trump supporters to vote where as if they felt Trump had a big enough lead their vote would not be as critical.

The media's bias may very well be the key to a Trump presidency.

The Kübler-Ross model consists of denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 23, 2016, 09:20:23 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 23, 2016, 08:54:28 AM

Kinda wondering how Trump rallies bring in tens of thousands motivated followers, yet the media continues to claim that Clinton is now in a double digits lead.
Meanwhile Clinton crowd's remain small almost nonexistent at times.

Quite simple explanation.

HRC has had the race in the bag since the three days after the first debate.

They're getting on with their lives. Trumpsters are grasping at straws.

Clinton campaign has started ignoring Trump (who they know they're going to beat by 10%) and starting to concentrate on the down-ballot races which they need to complete the transformation of America that Obama started. If Republicans can't hold the Senate, we are really screwed.

Thanks Trumpsters. Thanks a lot for :censored: ing up our country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 23, 2016, 09:52:37 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 23, 2016, 09:20:23 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 23, 2016, 08:54:28 AM
Kinda wondering how Trump rallies bring in tens of thousands motivated followers, yet the media continues to claim that Clinton is now in a double digits lead.
Meanwhile Clinton crowd's remain small almost nonexistent at times.

Quite simple explanation.

HRC has had the race in the bag since the three days after the first debate.

They're getting on with their lives. Trumpsters are grasping at straws.

Clinton campaign has started ignoring Trump (who they know they're going to beat by 10%) and starting to concentrate on the down-ballot races which they need to complete the transformation of America that Obama started. If Republicans can't hold the Senate, we are really screwed.

Thanks Trumpsters. Thanks a lot for :censored: ing up our country.

This election is far from being looked up.
Shakespeare, you of all people should know that.
You have since the beginning voiced your disgust for Trump, yet you could not stomach the thought of voting for Hillary.
How many others feel the same?
I've posted hundreds of western media articles predicting Russia was days away from invading various countries. Years later nothing of the sort took place.
The western media has proven time and time again, that fact means nothing. Their bias agenda, seldom tells the truth.
Again, if those supporting Hillary think it's locked up, they may not even bother to vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 11:01:53 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 23, 2016, 09:52:37 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 23, 2016, 09:20:23 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on October 23, 2016, 08:54:28 AM
Kinda wondering how Trump rallies bring in tens of thousands motivated followers, yet the media continues to claim that Clinton is now in a double digits lead.
Meanwhile Clinton crowd's remain small almost nonexistent at times.

Quite simple explanation.

HRC has had the race in the bag since the three days after the first debate.

They're getting on with their lives. Trumpsters are grasping at straws.

Clinton campaign has started ignoring Trump (who they know they're going to beat by 10%) and starting to concentrate on the down-ballot races which they need to complete the transformation of America that Obama started. If Republicans can't hold the Senate, we are really screwed.

Thanks Trumpsters. Thanks a lot for :censored: ing up our country.

This election is far from being looked up.
Shakespeare, you of all people should know that.
You have since the beginning voiced your disgust for Trump, yet you could not stomach the thought of voting for Hillary.
How many others feel the same?
I've posted hundreds of western media articles predicting Russia was days away from invading various countries. Years later nothing of the sort took place.
The western media has proven time and time again, that fact means nothing. Their bias agenda, seldom tells the truth.
Again, if those supporting Hillary think it's locked up, they may not even bother to vote.

this election is very far from over but I get giddy thinkin' bout all the dumb as doornail Shillary supporters who think it is! stay home sheep you don't need to vote, Dear Leader already won!!

I expect a similar outcome to year 2000 due to Democrap corrupt nature -- but this time around the Republican will win both overall more votes (popular) and the sufficient electoral votes as well.

no doubt Dem's will try to swing it w/ corrupted machines Brazil did not want (apparently yet another Soros trick) and 4 Million dead persons they hope to use. Trump ain't having it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 11:13:42 AM

the military as a whole can't stand Hittlery and this is only tip of the iceberg.

http://endingthefed.com/88-us-generals-stand-together-against-hillary-clinton-in-one-massive-act-of-defiance.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 11:19:30 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 09:02:53 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 23, 2016, 08:54:28 AM
Kinda wondering how Trump rallies bring in tens of thousands motivated followers, yet the media continues to claim that Clinton is now in a double digits lead.
Meanwhile Clinton crowd's remain small almost nonexistent at times.
I think that the media claims are going to motivate many Hillary haters Trump supporters to vote where as if they felt Trump had a big enough lead their vote would not be as critical.

The media's bias may very well be the key to a Trump presidency.

The Kübler-Ross model consists of denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.

Some sorta model for how a normal person might react? then there is how the Hilda Beast is gonna react. Just like this here, when she threw water on an assistant, shrieked and swore in some sort of outburst and even made racist remarks to faithful Uncle Tom assistant Donna Brazil. Course your "main street" slaves in media would NEVER report what Dear Leader is really like, now would they!!

http://rickwells.us/clinton-extreme-meltdown-surprise-question-screams-thrown-water-obscenities/

Her outburst began immediately after she left the stage, with her first throwing a full glass of water into the face of her assistant, with manic, uncontrolled screaming beginning at that point. The source described Clinton as the “most foul-mouthed woman I’ve ever heard, and that voice at screech level – awful.”

She also had some racist condescending comments for the black DNC chairman, Brazile, including suggestions that she was better qualified to be the campaign’s janitor.

One female NBC executive is quoted as saying that Brazile’s stoic response to the unhinged Clinton only served to enrage her more. She described it saying, “It was the most awful and terrible…and racist display – such a profane meltdown I have ever witnessed from anyone, and I will never forget it.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 23, 2016, 11:36:55 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 09:02:53 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 23, 2016, 08:54:28 AM
Kinda wondering how Trump rallies bring in tens of thousands motivated followers, yet the media continues to claim that Clinton is now in a double digits lead.
Meanwhile Clinton crowd's remain small almost nonexistent at times.
I think that the media claims are going to motivate many Hillary haters Trump supporters to vote where as if they felt Trump had a big enough lead their vote would not be as critical.

The media's bias may very well be the key to a Trump presidency.

The Kübler-Ross model consists of denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.

Not Elisabeth Kübler-Ross?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 11:51:46 AM

Here's a video of the Hilda Beast, looking confused and ready to burst out in public, before security and a Doctor is ready to give her some sort of injection. the clear theory is that she has Parkinson's disease, but as always the slaves who call themselves "journalists" all fall in line and obey Dear Leader.

no doubt if a miracle occurs and Dear Leader is elected she will be impeached or she simply won't be able to handle the job due to Parkinson's Disease, then we'll get that puppet clown Kaine.

Go to exactly 53 seconds into this video to see her Doctor clearly holding an injectable item for her seizures.

more on same subject.

and here is an seizure as a result of bright lights, stress.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 23, 2016, 11:54:44 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 23, 2016, 11:36:55 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 09:02:53 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on October 23, 2016, 08:54:28 AM
Kinda wondering how Trump rallies bring in tens of thousands motivated followers, yet the media continues to claim that Clinton is now in a double digits lead.
Meanwhile Clinton crowd's remain small almost nonexistent at times.
I think that the media claims are going to motivate many Hillary haters Trump supporters to vote where as if they felt Trump had a big enough lead their vote would not be as critical.

The media's bias may very well be the key to a Trump presidency.

The Kübler-Ross model consists of denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.

Not Elisabeth Kübler-Ross?

The terminally ill model??

If it is, then I agree, the US is Terminally ill...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 23, 2016, 11:59:06 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 23, 2016, 11:54:44 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 23, 2016, 11:36:55 AM
Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 09:02:53 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on October 23, 2016, 08:54:28 AM
Kinda wondering how Trump rallies bring in tens of thousands motivated followers, yet the media continues to claim that Clinton is now in a double digits lead.
Meanwhile Clinton crowd's remain small almost nonexistent at times.
I think that the media claims are going to motivate many Hillary haters Trump supporters to vote where as if they felt Trump had a big enough lead their vote would not be as critical.

The media's bias may very well be the key to a Trump presidency.

The Kübler-Ross model consists of denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.

Not Elisabeth Kübler-Ross?

The terminally ill model??

If it is, then I agree, the US is Terminally ill...

No she was some sort of Afterlife believer, NDE's, OBE's etc, interesting stuff when both my parents died and I wondered where they'd gone. Sort of couldn't cope with the thought of their sudden obliteration, in the end I just accepted the truth, they'd gone forever; rotted away and that's all there is to it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 12:04:19 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 23, 2016, 11:54:44 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 23, 2016, 11:36:55 AM
Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 09:02:53 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on October 23, 2016, 08:54:28 AM
Kinda wondering how Trump rallies bring in tens of thousands motivated followers, yet the media continues to claim that Clinton is now in a double digits lead.
Meanwhile Clinton crowd's remain small almost nonexistent at times.
I think that the media claims are going to motivate many Hillary haters Trump supporters to vote where as if they felt Trump had a big enough lead their vote would not be as critical.

The media's bias may very well be the key to a Trump presidency.

The Kübler-Ross model consists of denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.

Not Elisabeth Kübler-Ross?

The terminally ill model??

If it is, then I agree, the US is Terminally ill...

the Hilda Beast is terminally ill, no doubt about it....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 23, 2016, 12:11:01 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 22, 2016, 02:10:18 PM

and that cock-s%$*@# Hussein O. had the nerve to go try to bully the English!

I reckon that "back of the queue" BS made a lot of people think "fu*k you, mate" and vote Brexit if they were on the fence before.

Many people resented that intrusion here. Major fail by Cameron allowing that. Why he now has no job.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 12:23:56 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 23, 2016, 12:11:01 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 22, 2016, 02:10:18 PM
and that cock-s%$*@# Hussein O. had the nerve to go try to bully the English!

I reckon that "back of the queue" BS made a lot of people think "fu*k you, mate" and vote Brexit if they were on the fence before.

Many people resented that intrusion here. Major fail by Cameron allowing that. Why he now has no job.

we're with you on our feelings bout how that man and his hand-selected successor treats normal people and we're looking for a similar backlash over here against those who've been abusing our genuine good nature as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 12:27:06 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 23, 2016, 09:20:23 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 23, 2016, 08:54:28 AM
Kinda wondering how Trump rallies bring in tens of thousands motivated followers, yet the media continues to claim that Clinton is now in a double digits lead.
Meanwhile Clinton crowd's remain small almost nonexistent at times.

Quite simple explanation.

HRC has had the race in the bag since the three days after the first debate.

They're getting on with their lives. Trumpsters are grasping at straws.

Clinton campaign has started ignoring Trump (who they know they're going to beat by 10%) and starting to concentrate on the down-ballot races which they need to complete the transformation of America that Obama started. If Republicans can't hold the Senate, we are really screwed.

Thanks Trumpsters. Thanks a lot for :censored: ing up our country.

dint you say you voted for Trump? thanks for :censored: ing up our country! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 12:46:43 PM

DOJ rushed to Ferguson but won't investigate rioters at Trump rally's who bloodied Trump supporters for cold hard $$$ paid by Crooked Hillary.

not over until it's over!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 23, 2016, 01:23:40 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 23, 2016, 12:46:43 PM

DOJ rushed to Ferguson but won't investigate rioters at Trump rally's who bloodied Trump supporters for cold hard $$$ paid by Crooked Hillary.

not over until it's over!

Even if true, isn't cold-bloodedly shooting and killing black people as wee bit different than a few lardy smacks?

Kenwarramin?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 23, 2016, 02:41:03 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 23, 2016, 11:54:44 AM

The terminally ill model??

If it is, then I agree, the US is Terminally ill...

I was thinking in terms of the Trump campaign being terminally ill. :GRAVE:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 23, 2016, 03:34:31 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 23, 2016, 12:46:43 PM

DOJ rushed to Ferguson but won't investigate rioters at Trump rally's who bloodied Trump supporters for cold hard $$$ paid by Crooked Hillary.

not over until it's over!

Are you going to keep posting this BS after Hillary wins?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 04:57:38 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 23, 2016, 01:23:40 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 23, 2016, 12:46:43 PM
DOJ rushed to Ferguson but won't investigate rioters at Trump rally's who bloodied Trump supporters for cold hard $$$ paid by Crooked Hillary.

not over until it's over!

Even if true, isn't cold-bloodedly shooting and killing black people as wee bit different than a few lardy smacks?

Kenwarramin?

nobody got shot in cold blood. the final decision was that the police officer was justified to shoot the guy who first robbed a liquor store and then tried to assault a police officer and get his gun. that guy was about 7 feet tall and he was the instrument of his own demise.

Soros apparently spent 33 Million dollars on that scam and all it did was further divide America which is his plan -- divide and conquer. there were then additional riots in Baltimore where the police were simply ordered to stand down and not allowed to do their jobs.

Not having law and order affects the people in those neighborhoods the worse. For example the number of murders in Chicago exceeds the deaths in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Yet Chicago is supposedly a gun free zone. all that means is the criminals have plenty of guns and the law abiding people don't and suffer for it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 04:59:35 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 03:34:31 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 23, 2016, 12:46:43 PM
DOJ rushed to Ferguson but won't investigate rioters at Trump rally's who bloodied Trump supporters for cold hard $$$ paid by Crooked Hillary.

not over until it's over!

Are you going to keep posting this BS after Hillary wins?

she is not going to win and hopefully Trump will keep his word and appoint a special prosecutor to deal with her. it's not BS when the FBI director is bribed out of indicting her and the DOJ takes orders from a Dictator instead of following the law.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 05:01:29 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 02:41:03 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 23, 2016, 11:54:44 AM
The terminally ill model??

If it is, then I agree, the US is Terminally ill...

I was thinking in terms of the Trump campaign being terminally ill.

Keep dreaming. Trump now ahead in 3 National polls.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-small-lead-three-145721448.html;_ylt=A0SO8zCUQQ1YjoUAdhpXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEybHZmMnM2BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjE4NzlfMQRzZWMDc2M-

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 23, 2016, 05:06:23 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 03:34:31 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 23, 2016, 12:46:43 PM
DOJ rushed to Ferguson but won't investigate rioters at Trump rally's who bloodied Trump supporters for cold hard $$$ paid by Crooked Hillary.

not over until it's over!

Are you going to keep posting this BS after Hillary wins?

Are you a Hillary supporter, Tom? Might you tell the good people how she will help the US and help world peace?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 23, 2016, 05:26:16 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 23, 2016, 12:46:43 PM

DOJ rushed to Ferguson but won't investigate rioters at Trump rally's who bloodied Trump supporters for cold hard $$$ paid by Crooked Hillary.

not over until it's over!

Keep up the good work Confederate! Yes, James O'Keefe sure got the goods on the DNC with that undercover video.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-23%20at%206.22.02%20PM_zpsvkiezrfu.png)(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-23%20at%206.22.48%20PM_zpstcgfc2ez.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 23, 2016, 06:05:51 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 23, 2016, 05:06:23 PM

Are you a Hillary supporter, Tom? Might you tell the good people how she will help the US and help world peace?

My baseline criteria for a candidate:
1) more intelligent than I am,
2) more knowledgeable than I am,
3) more politically savvy than I am and
4) more mentally stable than I am.

If more than one candidate clears those hurdles, then I use issues for a tie-breaker. This election was easy because only Hillary ticked the four boxes. I'm not too keen about a massive influx of immigrants from the Middle-East but I'm less keen about a deranged bugger with the launch codes.

I understand that Trump is more intelligent, knowledgeable, politically savvy and mentally stable than some of our members but that reflects on their failings, not on Trump's merits.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 23, 2016, 09:03:35 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 06:05:51 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 23, 2016, 05:06:23 PM
Are you a Hillary supporter, Tom? Might you tell the good people how she will help the US and help world peace?

My baseline criteria for a candidate:
1) more intelligent than I am,
2) more knowledgeable than I am,
3) more politically savvy than I am and
4) more mentally stable than I am.

If more than one candidate clears those hurdles, then I use issues for a tie-breaker. This election was easy because only Hillary ticked the four boxes. I'm not too keen about a massive influx of immigrants from the Middle-East but I'm less keen about a deranged bugger with the launch codes.

I understand that Trump is more intelligent, knowledgeable, politically savvy and mentally stable than some of our members but that reflects on their failings, not on Trump's merits.

Hillary couldn't even pass the bar exam in 1 state and had to go to another state to pass it (where bar exams were easier). Some showing for a graduate of Yale Law School!

It is well known that she flies off the handle at people. So maximum is that she could check 2 of 4 boxes.

That you support her at all however is sad. I could understand Trump being immensely disliked; but what exactly would Hillary have to do at this point to prove what a liar, grifter, and person of low character she is? Bite the head off a baby and chew on an arm?

Surprising that you didn't mention "character" as something important to you. Or maybe not surprising.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 09:36:10 PM

Someone must have a low IQ to say that Hillary is more intelligent than their self. Either that or a very low self-esteem.

And more mentally stable? LOL! Ditto. She is known for being extremely unstable, flying off the handle, shrieking at the top of her lungs, swearing and having those who have dirt on her killed. Yet we have a character here who thinks she is worthy of having her finger on Nuclear launch codes.

As far as intelligence and knowledge, I will trust this Professor who maintains that Trump will indeed win the election.

And BTW, he put $500.00 of his own money on his prediction as well he has correctly predicted the last 5 Presidents.

http://primarymodel.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on October 23, 2016, 09:37:27 PM

Any Americans concerned about Trump wanting to dismantle the NAFTA? Move away from renewables and get back on coal? Pull out of the TPP?
Or are Y'all thinking that trashing a trade agreement with your largest trading partner is a grand idea?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 09:48:49 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on October 23, 2016, 09:37:27 PM

Any Americans concerned about Trump wanting to dismantle the NAFTA? Move away from renewables and get back on coal? Pull out of the TPP?
Or are Y'all thinking that trashing a trade agreement with your largest trading partner is a grand idea?

Who are you? most blue collar Americans despise NAFTA and whatever Trump does with it will be a better outcome long term. I've read the English people feel the same way about Brexit -- a long term better position for them, where they regain sovereignty of their country.

Trump has not said to "move away from renewable's" what he's said is to utilize all sources of energy. Currently solar for example is very expensive to set-up and does not have a quick ROI.

If you're going to ask questions perhaps don't spin, take things out of context and learn what you're talking about first.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 10:05:53 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 06:05:51 PM

I understand that Trump is more intelligent, knowledgeable, politically savvy and mentally stable than some of our members but that reflects on their failings, not on Trump's merits.

someone goin' to be eatin' crow come November 8th. :ROFL:

Yet another intelligent, knowledgeable, politically savvy and stable Professor agrees with myself and other Trump supporters. You jus' can't make this stuff up!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2016, 10:15:29 PM

Anonymous comes up with some pretty good math in regards to Hillary not getting votes from half of Sanders voters, which leaves her with 58 Million votes total versus their prediction that Trump will pick up 30% of the half of Sanders voters who refuse to vote for Hillary for a grand total of 62 Million total for Trump. Trump wins again!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 24, 2016, 12:45:41 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on October 23, 2016, 09:37:27 PM

Any Americans concerned about Trump wanting to dismantle the NAFTA? Move away from renewables and get back on coal? Pull out of the TPP?
Or are Y'all thinking that trashing a trade agreement with your largest trading partner is a grand idea?

If only TPP was just a trading agreement..... oh well, I can keep dreaming of a perfect world.

TPP is so much more, it puts the power of the law with coorperations shafting the little people like you, me and everyone else without billions to spend.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 24, 2016, 01:40:17 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 06:05:51 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 23, 2016, 05:06:23 PM
Are you a Hillary supporter, Tom? Might you tell the good people how she will help the US and help world peace?

My baseline criteria for a candidate:
1) more intelligent than I am,
2) more knowledgeable than I am,
3) more politically savvy than I am and
4) more mentally stable than I am.

If more than one candidate clears those hurdles, then I use issues for a tie-breaker. This election was easy because only Hillary ticked the four boxes. I'm not too keen about a massive influx of immigrants from the Middle-East but I'm less keen about a deranged bugger with the launch codes.

I understand that Trump is more intelligent, knowledgeable, politically savvy and mentally stable than some of our members but that reflects on their failings, not on Trump's merits.

In short, the answer to the question was 'Yes'. No need to go around the houses.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 24, 2016, 03:16:16 AM

For anyone who is still trying to gain solace from whatever they read in reported public opinion polling here's an article that goes into some of the issues I have mentioned about polling over the past weeks and months: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-23/how-wapos-latest-poll-give-hillary-12-point-advantage-over-trump

In another item we now learn that manipulation of polling is a tool that comes right from the top of the Democrat party: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-23/new-podesta-email-exposes-dem-playbook-rigging-polls-through-oversamples

We learn that this has been policy since at least 2008 and, at this link CLICK HERE! (https://www.scribd.com/document/328624706/2016-10-23-Atlas#from_embed) you can read in full a report from a group called the Atlas Project who had been tasked, by the Democrat campaign, with identifying profitable sampling opportunities across the country. These misrepresentative samples were not just in respect of party affiliation but in other areas too such as race, education, gender.
In essence, if one chooses well one can create a poll that says what one wants it to say. Because we have no way to see the underlying data we can not reconstruct the 'true' picture.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/26551

The thing to remember is this: If Trump's figures were as bad as they are claimed then there'd be no fictionalisation of polling, there'd be no need.
The one thing of which one can be sure, once one knows about this rigging effort, is this: Trump is trouncing Clinton

The problem for Republicans is this: the Democrat strategy relies upon the notion that if one's chosen candidate is seen as being out of the running the voter will tend to stay at home and not vote, or, in some cases, vote for the perceived leader.
If this effect is valid then Trump will lose because all the polling tells voters to not bother voting.

There's an opposing viewpoint however, and it seems to be one that Team Trump is working on - I have alluded to this before: Team Trump is telling people that the only way to make sure that Team Clinton do not steal the election is to get out and vote, that a small majority will not do it: Team Trump is working hard to motivate the voters on the basis of rigged polling and a rigged election.

Which force is stronger?

My takeaway is that Trump needs to win by a margin so large that the Democrats and their external string pullers are unable to create a large enough margin to steal the election. My cynical self also thinks that the Trump/Russia conflation may be a purposeful tool to enable the voiding of the election if Trump wins.

HAHAHAHA! Just noticed a post from Scott Adams on the topic of getting the vote out, or in this cases, getting it to stay at home: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152226715516/how-to-legally-vote-more-than-once
By the way, Adams references, in this context, a book called Pre-Suasion by a guy called Robert Cialdini. Cialdini is, it seems, working with the Democrat campaign and has been responsible for some significant changes in message and perception management in the campaign. I have the book, and its predecessor; both are well worth reading for anyone whose life or career involves persuasion - I guess that's all of us then!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 24, 2016, 04:53:24 AM

Quote from: Slumba on October 23, 2016, 09:03:35 PM

It is well known...

Argumentum ad populum

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 24, 2016, 04:58:31 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 23, 2016, 10:05:53 PM

... someone goin' to be eatin' crow come November 8th.

Yes, someone is, if he can fit it into his busy rioting schedule.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 24, 2016, 06:16:45 AM

The World According to Trump

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161024/ddeb5c606dab4972fd8b2cafbf588767.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 24, 2016, 06:34:07 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2016, 06:16:45 AM

The World According to Trump

(http://upoads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161024/ddeb5c606dab4972fd8b2cafbf588767.jpg)

Juvenile humour for the simple minded

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 24, 2016, 06:36:37 AM

Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2016, 06:34:07 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2016, 06:16:45 AM
The World According to Trump

(http://upoads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161024/ddeb5c606dab4972fd8b2cafbf588767.jpg)
Juvenile humour for the simple minded

That's why I posted it for all of you. Glad you found it funny...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 24, 2016, 07:18:07 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 06:05:51 PM

I'm not too keen about a massive influx of immigrants from the Middle-East ....

So I was listening to WNYC in the car the other day -- they really do have the best local coverage -- and whichever commentator it was indicated that the difference between Trump and Hillary, in terms of influx of immigrants, would be about 40 million people, based on their announced plans (which may or may not come to pass). Assuming a population of 320M (which is already some 70M higher than it "should be" based historical averages).

No matter how you slice it, that's a ton of people. Sure they won't all be from the M/E, but really our immigration process is broken, and has been for 50 years.

Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 06:05:51 PM

...I'm less keen about a deranged bugger with the launch codes.

That was also the knock on Reagan, IIRC, although clearly they are far different personality types.

Quote from: Slumba on October 23, 2016, 09:03:35 PM

Hillary couldn't even pass the bar exam in 1 state and had to go to another state to pass it (where bar exams were easier). Some showing for a graduate of Yale Law School!

Actually, super-smart people often have a more difficult time with bar exams, which are really exercises in issue-spotting. If you get hung up on writing the "A" answer on one issue you might not get to as many of the others. I don't know what Hillary's experience was, but IMO, it's not that big of a deal if she failed a bar exam once.

Source: Am a lawyer, admitted in 5 states (although one I waived in, and didn't sit for the exam).

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2016, 08:05:05 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 06:05:51 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 23, 2016, 05:06:23 PM
Are you a Hillary supporter, Tom? Might you tell the good people how she will help the US and help world peace?

My baseline criteria for a candidate:
1) more intelligent than I am,
2) more knowledgeable than I am,
3) more politically savvy than I am and
4) more mentally stable than I am.

If more than one candidate clears those hurdles, then I use issues for a tie-breaker. This election was easy because only Hillary ticked the four boxes. I'm not too keen about a massive influx of immigrants from the Middle-East but I'm less keen about a deranged bugger with the launch codes.

I understand that Trump is more intelligent, knowledgeable, politically savvy and mentally stable than some of our members but that reflects on their failings, not on Trump's merits.

Let's take a moment and examine the inherent contradictions of your statements here. You readily admit that you're "not too keen about a massive influx of immigrants from the Middle East", yet you claim to want somebody who is

1) More intelligent
2) More knowledgeable

than yourself. Yet any knowledgeable and intelligent person knows that out of only 100,000 immigrants from the middle east, and in particular from Syria, there is a very high probability of implanted ISIS terrorists, or persons who are easily influenced into becoming ISIS recruits. If out of 100,000 immigrants only 0.5 percent were already implants or on their way to becoming radicalized, that's 500 jihadi's who you've now paid to have housed, fed, clothed and to have their medical needs attended to. which brings us back to

4) More mentally stable

What kind of rational, intelligent, knowledgeable and sane person would knowingly import hundreds of thousands of immigrants who are antithetical to Western civilization and democracy into America?

A person who is

1) Intelligent
2) Knowledgeable
and
4) Mentally stable

absolutely would not! And a person who has those qualities, would absolutely not vote for any politician who promises to import a "massive influx of immigrants from the Middle East".

Now let's look at her temperament. I suggest you actually do a bit of research and educate yourself about that. In the video I posted above the plan for the Matt Lauer interview event was that Secretary Clinton would receive all questions in advance for her prep. When it turned out she did not, well let's just say she threw an epic temper tantrum.

Now let's look at her relationship with Vladimir Putin and the Russians. If she was

1) Intelligent
2) Knowledgeable

one would think that she could have done a proper translation on her "reset" button. That did not happen. Now fast forward to current events in Syria. She has called for a "no fly zone" in Syria, a country which the United States has not been invited to by the President of Syria. We are there, against International Law, telling the Russians and Syria who are there properly, that WE (according to Clinton) have a right to impose a "no fly zone". Is this

Intelligent
Knowledgeable and most importantly the actions of a
Mentally stable

person? Most rational, sane, intelligent persons who are mentally stable and have examined the word and actions of Putin compared to the schizophrenic actions of Secretary Clinton, would advise against a "no fly zone" in Syria.

Then we have Mr. Trump, a pragmatic man who believes we should do our best to get along with Russia.

Your words are contradictory and your logic does not follow. Go ahead and vote for Clinton like the other sheep.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2016, 08:28:08 AM

Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2016, 06:34:07 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2016, 06:16:45 AM
The World According to Trump

(http://upoads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161024/ddeb5c606dab4972fd8b2cafbf588767.jpg)
Juvenile humour for the simple minded

Trump's Gettysburg address for those who are thoughtful.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 08:30:21 AM

Stop worrying about the Presidential election. It's "in the bag" for Hillary and she knows it.

Why do you think she's spending time in New Hampshire at this late date? A state with only 4 electoral college votes? Because knowing she's going to win the election, she's concentrating on the "down ballot" races and securing control of the Senate so she can complete Obama's plan to "fundamentally change America"

There are 7 Senate races described as "toss up" races. Republicans have to win 5 of these to maintain a 1 vote majority in the Senate. These races are:

PE: Toomey (R) +1.8%

IN: Young (R) -4.3%

MO: Blunt (R) +1.0%

NC: Burr (R) +2.8%

FL: Rubio (R) +3.4%

NH: Ayotte (R) -2.0%

NV: Heck (R) -2.3%

The New Hampshire Senate seat is the CRITICAL Senate seat that will determine control of the Senate for the next 2 years. I expect her "back up plan" includes lots of time in Missouri, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Florida too for the same purpose.

My greatest fear is when Trump loses by 10+% the downdraft will cost the Republicans the Senate and give Clinton unrestricted power to approve her judicial nominations.

Thanks "Trumpsters" Thanks alot! >:(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 08:43:01 AM

Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2016, 12:45:41 AM

TPP is so much more, it puts the power of the law with corperations shafting the little people like you, me and everyone else without billions to spend.

One thing it does that is positive that it makes it clear that GMO products are the standard deliverable food grade for all international contracts and requires that if a country specifically wants non-GMO products, they must indicate that request in the purchase contract and pay the resulting premium price.

Very good for the American farmer that is doing his best to feed the world.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 24, 2016, 08:48:03 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on October 23, 2016, 09:37:27 PM

Any Americans concerned about Trump wanting to dismantle the NAFTA? Move away from renewables and get back on coal? Pull out of the TPP?
Or are Y'all thinking that trashing a trade agreement with your largest trading partner is a grand idea?

He said he would renegotiate it, not stop trading with Canada.

"clean coal" can be clean enough, I suppose. Personally I would say incentivize them to put better "scrubbers" on the exhaust and it would be OK.

The problems with the TPP are myriad, including an expansion of ISDS authority. TPP is not just "NAFTA for other countries" but has a whole host of other things included in it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 24, 2016, 08:56:00 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 24, 2016, 04:53:24 AM

Quote from: Slumba on October 23, 2016, 09:03:35 PM
It is well known...

Argumentum ad populum

No, there are multiple reports of Hillary's bad behavior, from former SS agents and even 302s (witness statements) from the FBI. I just made the assumption you and everyone else already knew this.

e.g. (DS is Diplomatic Security, the security branch that handles security for State Department & related people)

"[Redacted] explained that CLINTON's treatment of DS agents on her protective detail was so contemptuous that many of them sought reassignment or employment elsewhere. Prior to CLINTON's tenure, being an agent on the Secretary of State's protective detail was seen as an honor and privilege reserved for senior agents. However, by the end of CLINTON's tenure, it was staffed largely with new agents because it was difficult to find senior agents willing to work for her."

from the same report:

"From her own experience, and information obtained through [Redacted] and other agents, [Redacted] described a "stark difference" between RICE and CLINTON with regard to obedience to security and diplomatic protocols. RICE observed strict adherence to State Department security and diplomatic protocols while CLINTON frequently and "blatantly" disregarded them.

For example, it is standard security and diplomatic protocol for the Secretary of State to ride in the armored limousine with the local U.S. ambassador when traveling in countries abroad. It is seen as diplomatic protocol for the Secretary of State to arrive at foreign diplomatic functions with the local ambassador; however, CLINTON refused to do so, instead choosing to be accompanied in the limousine by her Chief of Staff, HUMA ABEDIN. This frequently resulted in complaints by ambassadors who were insulted and embarrassed by this breach of protocol. [Redacted] explained that CLINTON's protocol breaches were well known throughout Diplomatic Security and were "abundant."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-17/security-agent-tells-fbi-what-it-was-really-work-hillary-clinton

Note, that is the just the contemptuous behavior. Other SS agents recount in books or TV appearances her violence.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 24, 2016, 09:32:06 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 08:43:01 AM

Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2016, 12:45:41 AM
TPP is so much more, it puts the power of the law with corperations shafting the little people like you, me and everyone else without billions to spend.

One thing it does that is positive that it makes it clear that GMO products are the standard deliverable food grade for all international contracts and requires that if a country specifically wants non-GMO products, they must indicate that request in the purchase contract and pay the resulting premium price.

Very good for the American farmer that is doing his best to feed the world.

And the Monsanto stock holder which would be you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 09:40:40 AM

Quote from: Maxx on October 24, 2016, 09:32:06 AM

And the Monsanto stock holder which would be you.

Hasn't Bayer, a German company agreed to buy Monsanto?

For the record I do not directly own a single share of Monsanto but I'm sure mutual funds in my various retirement account do.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2016, 09:54:07 AM

What is known about schizophrenic US foreign policy as enacted by Hillary Clinton. Yet someone up above had the nerve to claim that she is: intelligent, knowledgeable and mentally stable.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-email-isis-saudi-arabia-qatar-us-allies-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 24, 2016, 10:00:56 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 09:54:07 AM

What is known about schizophrenic US foreign policy as enacted by Hillary Clinton. Yet someone up above had the nerve to claim that she is: intelligent, knowledgeable and mentally stable.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-email-isis-saudi-arabia-qatar-us-allies-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html

Why is it folks on here are nearly always 100% for their chosen candidate and 0% for their rivals? Trumps, Putin, the Uke guy, Corbyn, with each supported 100% or 0%. Even I as a Corbynite realise he'd most like be a shit Prime Minister. And whilst I never liked Cameron, at least he regularly admitted he was wrong and reversed decisions, thinking pastie tax here, very important, shares in Greggs plummeted.

Is noone ever in two minds?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2016, 10:07:21 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2016, 10:00:56 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 09:54:07 AM
What is known about schizophrenic US foreign policy as enacted by Hillary Clinton. Yet someone up above had the nerve to claim that she is: intelligent, knowledgeable and mentally stable.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-email-isis-saudi-arabia-qatar-us-allies-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html

Why is it folks on here are nearly always 100% for their chosen candidate and 0% for their rivals? Trumps, Putin, the Uke guy, Corbyn, with each supported 100% or 0%. Even I as a Corbynite realise he'd most like be a shit Prime Minister. And whilst I never liked Cameron, at least he regularly admitted he was wrong and reversed decisions, thinking pastie tax here, very important, shares in Greggs plummeted.

Is noone ever in two minds?

This is a decent question which you've proposed, however I am not sure as an Englishman you would understand the American mentality. Trump and Clinton are 180 degrees opposite when looking at honoring our Constitution. That's the simple and direct answer.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 24, 2016, 10:07:27 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 08:43:01 AM

Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2016, 12:45:41 AM
TPP is so much more, it puts the power of the law with corperations shafting the little people like you, me and everyone else without billions to spend.

One thing it does that is positive that it makes it clear that GMO products are the standard deliverable food grade for all international contracts and requires that if a country specifically wants non-GMO products, they must indicate that request in the purchase contract and pay the resulting premium price.

Very good for the American farmer that is doing his best to feed the world.

GMO's are bad for nature, bad for your health and bad news for farmers.

The American farmer would be far better off, if they could buy seeds for normal prices without the GMO-tag. Non-GMO food isn't paid premium, its paid less. Thats why its bad for Europe. We don't want GMO food inflating our prices because it is forced down our throats.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2016, 10:08:55 AM

Early Florida results indicate Trump victory.

http://yournewswire.com/florida-trump-win-election/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2016, 10:11:08 AM

Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2016, 10:07:27 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 08:43:01 AM
Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2016, 12:45:41 AM
TPP is so much more, it puts the power of the law with corperations shafting the little people like you, me and everyone else without billions to spend.

One thing it does that is positive that it makes it clear that GMO products are the standard deliverable food grade for all international contracts and requires that if a country specifically wants non-GMO products, they must indicate that request in the purchase contract and pay the resulting premium price.

Very good for the American farmer that is doing his best to feed the world.
GMO's are bad for nature, bad for your health and bad news for farmers.

The American farmer would be far better off, if they could buy seeds for normal prices without the GMO-tag. Non-GMO food isn't paid premium, its paid less. Thats why its bad for Europe. We don't want GMO food inflating our prices because it is forced down our throats.

a higher percentage of Americans are now educated about GMO and don't want it either. yet another example of "elites" trying to shove something down our throat we don't want.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 24, 2016, 10:17:50 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 10:07:21 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2016, 10:00:56 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 09:54:07 AM
What is known about schizophrenic US foreign policy as enacted by Hillary Clinton. Yet someone up above had the nerve to claim that she is: intelligent, knowledgeable and mentally stable.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-email-isis-saudi-arabia-qatar-us-allies-funding-barack-obama-knew-all-a7362071.html

Why is it folks on here are nearly always 100% for their chosen candidate and 0% for their rivals? Trumps, Putin, the Uke guy, Corbyn, with each supported 100% or 0%. Even I as a Corbynite realise he'd most like be a shit Prime Minister. And whilst I never liked Cameron, at least he regularly admitted he was wrong and reversed decisions, thinking pastie tax here, very important, shares in Greggs plummeted.

Is noone ever in two minds?

This is a decent question which you've proposed, however I am not sure as an Englishman you would understand the American mentality. Trump and Clinton are 180 degrees opposite when looking at honoring our Constitution. That's the simple and direct answer.

It's not just USA though, opinions on here about Putin are either 100% one or the other from UK/EU too etc..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 24, 2016, 11:04:05 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 09:40:40 AM

Quote from: Maxx on October 24, 2016, 09:32:06 AM
And the Monsanto stock holder which would be you.

Hasn't Bayer, a German company agreed to buy Monsanto?

For the record I do not directly own a single share of Monsanto but I'm sure mutual funds in my various retirement account do.

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,4535.msg63894/highlight,monsanto.html#msg63894

Quote

Careful value shopping now will reap HUGE rewards in the near future. My best pick is Monsanto. They can sell every gallon of Roundup they produce at a HUGE profit margin. Bought 200 shares yesterday at $75 per share. Only 6 months ago it was trading at $146 per share. It will be back at that level sooner than you think.

Must have sold them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 24, 2016, 11:42:54 AM

Quote from: Maxx on October 24, 2016, 11:04:05 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 09:40:40 AM
Quote from: Maxx on October 24, 2016, 09:32:06 AM
And the Monsanto stock holder which would be you.

Hasn't Bayer, a German company agreed to buy Monsanto?

For the record I do not directly own a single share of Monsanto but I'm sure mutual funds in my various retirement account do.

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,4535.msg63894/highlight,monsanto.html#msg63894

Quote
Careful value shopping now will reap HUGE rewards in the near future. My best pick is Monsanto. They can sell every gallon of Roundup they produce at a HUGE profit margin. Bought 200 shares yesterday at $75 per share. Only 6 months ago it was trading at $146 per share. It will be back at that level sooner than you think.

Must have sold them.

Boom. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 12:11:24 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2016, 10:07:27 AM

The American farmer would be far better off, if they could buy seeds for normal prices without the GMO-tag. Non-GMO food isn't paid premium, its paid less. Thats why its bad for Europe. We don't want GMO food inflating our prices because it is forced down our throats.

Markje, with all due respect you couldn't be more wrong.

The use of glyphosate products like Roundup reduces weed pressure from water use, soil nutrient use and weed seed production. It increased yield per acre by between 15-30% verses non-GMO varieties depending on the crop. I know that here in the Midwest USA where the crops are grown, if a export customer insists on non-GMO products, the farmer gets paid a premium of $0.25 per bushel for corn and between $1.00-$2.00 per bushel for soybeans. The grain company makes additional margin for keeping the products separate and guaranteeing the purity of product integrity.

Here in the USA agricultural products that meet the legal requirements to be labeled "organic" cost twice as much as agricultural products produced with conventional means. GMO products are the highest yielding and lowest cost products on the market. There is ZERO documented health hazard for consuming them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 12:15:54 PM

Quote from: Maxx on October 24, 2016, 11:04:05 AM

Must have sold them.

I did. Added another 400 shares at various levels below $90/share and sold the whole lot in July 2014 sometime at around $125 if memory serves me correctly. Nice tidy little profit even after the tax man.

Max omitted the rest of my comment from 10-8-2008. Here it is:

"I disagree Maxx. I think now is one of the BEST stock buying opportunities you might get in your lifetime. Remember after the "doomsday crash of 1987", people who bought stocks in the 30 days afterward were rewarded with double-digit returns for several years in a row. Investors who held their stocks thru the downturn recovered all their lost cash within a year and participated in the market upswing.

I have faith that our market will recover completely more quickly than most expect and will achieve new price highs beyond our wildest imagination."

I was right then and I'm right with the Clinton/Trump election prediction. Trust me.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2016, 12:46:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 12:15:54 PM

I was right then and I'm right with the Clinton/Trump election prediction. Trust me.

You couldn't be more wrong. stick to your stock picking hobby. Clinton is heading for the same outcome Jimmy Carter got against Reagan.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 12:49:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 12:46:17 PM

You couldn't be more wrong. stick to your stock picking hobby. Clinton is heading for the same outcome Jimmy Carter got against Reagan.

If you're so sure, put your money where your mouth is wise guy.

Otherwise, give your keyboard a rest.

Money talks - bullshit walks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2016, 12:53:56 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 12:49:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 12:46:17 PM
You couldn't be more wrong. stick to your stock picking hobby. Clinton is heading for the same outcome Jimmy Carter got against Reagan.

If you're so sure, put your money where your mouth is wise guy.

Otherwise, give your keyboard a rest.

Money talks - bullshit walks.

http://yournewswire.com/florida-trump-win-election/

http://primarymodel.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 24, 2016, 01:03:35 PM

New Email Leak Exposes Clinton's Campaign's Playbook for Rigging Polls

http://russia-insider.com/en/new-email-leak-exposes-clintons-campaigns-playbook-rigging-polls/ri17162http://russia-insider.com/en/new-email-leak-exposes-clintons-campaigns-playbook-rigging-polls/ri17162

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 01:06:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 12:53:56 PM

http://yournewswire.com/florida-trump-win-election/

Nice source.

http://realorsatire.com/yournewswire-com/

Make a bet or shut the hell up. :Zzzzsleep:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 24, 2016, 01:42:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 12:11:24 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2016, 10:07:27 AM
The American farmer would be far better off, if they could buy seeds for normal prices without the GMO-tag. Non-GMO food isn't paid premium, its paid less. Thats why its bad for Europe. We don't want GMO food inflating our prices because it is forced down our throats.

Markje, with all due respect you couldn't be more wrong.

The use of glyphosate products like Roundup reduces weed pressure from water use, soil nutrient use and weed seed production. It increased yield per acre by between 15-30% verses non-GMO varieties depending on the crop. I know that here in the Midwest USA where the crops are grown, if a export customer insists on non-GMO products, the farmer gets paid a premium of $0.25 per bushel for corn and between $1.00-$2.00 per bushel for soybeans. The grain company makes additional margin for keeping the products separate and guaranteeing the purity of product integrity.

Here in the USA agricultural products that meet the legal requirements to be labeled "organic" cost twice as much as agricultural products produced with conventional means. GMO products are the highest yielding and lowest cost products on the market. There is ZERO documented health hazard for consuming them.

Why would you need weed-killing and other properties, if you do not have weeds in the first place.

Perhaps in the USA it works like that, but in Europe it doesn't. There are only a few strong weeds here, but nothing that kills off corn or grain.

As for pricing, perhaps this indian piece opens your eyes.
What good is a higher yield, when the seeds are priced like gold bullion.

http://vandanashiva.com/?p=402

Quote from: vandanashiva.com

Since Monsanto’s entry into India in 1998, the price of cotton seeds has increased by almost 80,000% (from ₹5 – ₹9/KG to ₹ 1600 for 450 gms). 300,000 Indian farmers have committed suicide, trapped in vicious cycles of debt and crop failures, 84% of these suicides are attributed directly to Monsanto’s Bt cotton.

So whats good for USA, is definately not always good for other continents.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 24, 2016, 01:59:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 01:06:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 12:53:56 PM

http://yournewswire.com/florida-trump-win-election/

Nice source.

http://realorsatire.com/yournewswire-com/

Make a bet or shut the hell up. :Zzzzsleep:

Why is everything about silly Internet bets with you?

Why not enter into a reasoned discussion based upon knowledge?

The problem is that these, frequently US based 'satire' sites are designed to mislead and mislead they do. You could have pointed this out without getting silly and wanting to make yet another silly Internet bet.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 24, 2016, 02:02:26 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 10:08:55 AM

Early Florida results indicate Trump victory.

http://yournewswire.com/florida-trump-win-election/

"Early Voting in Florida Shows Trump Winning Election by a Landslide" :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 02:07:02 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2016, 01:42:05 PM

Why would you need weed-killing and other properties, if you do not have weeds in the first place. Perhaps in the USA it works like that, but in Europe it doesn't. There are only a few strong weeds here, but nothing that kills off corn or grain.

Who doesn't have weeds? Each plant produces between 10,000 and 100,000 seeds per plant.

Weeds don't kill cultivated plants. However they absorb nutrients and water that the cultivated plant used to produce more of the crop. Palmer Amaranth, Mares Tail and Canadian Thistle are weeds that glyphosate won't kill.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 02:11:14 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 24, 2016, 01:59:40 PM

Why is everything about silly Internet bets with you?

Why not enter into a reasoned discussion based upon knowledge?

Because like you, Confederate spouts off any uniformed opinion he can cut and past from conservative web pages without any conviction regarding their accuracy. The bet reinforces conviction.

We've already proved that BOTH you and Confederate don't have any conviction so we consider that fact when determining the credibility of what you write.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 24, 2016, 02:28:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 02:11:14 PM

Because like you, Confederate spouts off any uniformed opinion he can cut and past from conservative web pages without any conviction regarding their accuracy. The bet reinforces conviction.

Quote from: Bertrand Russell

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 24, 2016, 03:44:28 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 24, 2016, 02:28:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 02:11:14 PM
Because like you, Confederate spouts off any uniformed opinion he can cut and past from conservative web pages without any conviction regarding their accuracy. The bet reinforces conviction.

Quote from: Bertrand Russell

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.

I've seen Bertrand Russell years ago!

Can't remember where, he's in a glass box on some stairs, or was. Dead obvs...

Let me google...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 24, 2016, 03:46:56 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2016, 03:44:28 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 24, 2016, 02:28:23 PM
Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 02:11:14 PM
Because like you, Confederate spouts off any uniformed opinion he can cut and past from conservative web pages without any conviction regarding their accuracy. The bet reinforces conviction.

Quote from: Bertrand Russell

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.

I've seen Bertrand Russell years ago!

Can't remember where, he's in a glass box on some stairs, or was. Dead obvs...

Let me google...

Googled, not Bertrand Russell, who am I thinking of?? Chap on a chair in floppy hat with a stick I think. In a glass case....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 24, 2016, 03:49:20 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2016, 03:46:56 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2016, 03:44:28 PM
Quote from: TomT on October 24, 2016, 02:28:23 PM
Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 02:11:14 PM
Because like you, Confederate spouts off any uniformed opinion he can cut and past from conservative web pages without any conviction regarding their accuracy. The bet reinforces conviction.

Quote from: Bertrand Russell

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.

I've seen Bertrand Russell years ago!

Can't remember where, he's in a glass box on some stairs, or was. Dead obvs...

Let me google...

Googled, not Bertrand Russell, who am I thinking of?? Chap on a chair in floppy hat with a stick I think. In a glass case....

Jeremy Bentham! WTF happened to my memory?

Age...

(http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/atlas_obscura/2013/10/23/jeremy_bentham_died_in_1850_but_he_s_still_sitting_in_a_hallway_at_this/1382541330.jpg.CROP.promo-large2.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2016, 06:02:10 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 02:11:14 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 24, 2016, 01:59:40 PM
Why is everything about silly Internet bets with you?

Why not enter into a reasoned discussion based upon knowledge?

Because like you, Confederate spouts off any uniformed opinion he can cut and past from conservative web pages without any conviction regarding their accuracy. The bet reinforces conviction.

We've already proved that BOTH you and Confederate don't have any conviction so we consider that fact when determining the credibility of what you write.

Since when does conviction equal making a bet with some loudmouth on the internet? And "uniformed" or uninformed? You consider that agreeing with liars on main street to be "informed"? I don't but I am not interested in betting with you. Live with it. I'll just be very happy that enough Americans are upset with having a con-artist in the white house and knowing that come November 8th Hillary will not be winning.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2016, 06:05:10 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 24, 2016, 02:02:26 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 10:08:55 AM
Early Florida results indicate Trump victory.

http://yournewswire.com/florida-trump-win-election/

"Early Voting in Florida Shows Trump Winning Election by a Landslide" :ROFL:

http://truthfeed.com/video-tim-kaine-florida-rally-draws-crowd-of-about-30-people/31750/ :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2016, 06:26:15 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 24, 2016, 01:59:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 01:06:35 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 12:53:56 PM

http://yournewswire.com/florida-trump-win-election/

Nice source.

http://realorsatire.com/yournewswire-com/

Make a bet or shut the hell up. :Zzzzsleep:

Why is everything about silly Internet bets with you?

Why not enter into a reasoned discussion based upon knowledge?

Because he can't do it. All he does is repeat the main street mantra over and over and...like a broken record. And notice that he did not put up the other link I posted, because that one is legitimate.

http://primarymodel.com

And here we have a die hard liberal, making a reasoned argument based on knowledge. something this so called shakeapear character has not done.

and here we have a good explanation about how the polls are rigged (false).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 24, 2016, 06:39:16 PM

Yes, There Will Be Election Fraud, And On a Grand Scale

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/yes-there-will-be-election-fraud-and-grand-scale/ri17164

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 24, 2016, 07:20:48 PM

Tom Cat and Confederate, the guys you are debating don't look up links. I doubt they are keeping up on Wikileaks and Project Veratas revelations. The first half of the Russell quote applies to them. And at the risk of being called on godbotthery there's Christs' words, "None are so blind as those who will not see."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2016, 08:53:05 PM

Quote from: Maxx on October 24, 2016, 07:20:48 PM

Tom Cat and Confederate, the guys you are debating don't look up links. I doubt they are keeping up on Wikileaks and Project Veratas revelations. The first half of the Russell quote applies to them. And at the risk of being called on godbotthery there's Christs' words, "None are so blind as those who will not see."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 24, 2016, 09:04:00 PM

Is anyone stupid enough to believe that the poll in the image below is legitimate?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2016, 10:37:06 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 24, 2016, 09:04:00 PM

Is anyone stupid enough to believe that the poll in the image below is legitimate?

Is anyone stupid enought to believe a MSM poll? Yes.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/leaked-clinton-internal-document-discourage-trump-supporters-bogus-polls-declaring-election/

and

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/media-dirty-tricks-cbs-nbc-manipulate-polling-data-show-hillary-lead-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2016, 10:54:30 PM

St. Augustine, Florida Trump rally with a large crowd. Trump up nationwide by 2 points according to IBD.

We believe in one God, we salute one flag, we live in one country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2016, 07:51:56 AM

Growing concern over Soros voting machines. Voters in Texas reported having their votes for Trump changed to Clinton by machines and they had to get a poll worker involved to fix it. Check the final result of your vote if voting with a machine and make sure it is correct!

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/concern-grows-over-soros-linked-voting-machines/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 25, 2016, 08:06:19 AM

The "One America poll" caught my eye because the RUA poll on this thread was also 92%-8% at one point and many members were stupid enough to believe that it was legitimate. The punch line is that there was no One America poll showing Trump ahead by 84 percentage points; it was the result of image editing on the poll below. Incredibly, even after having it explained, some will still be stupid enough to believe that it is legitimate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 25, 2016, 08:37:01 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 10:54:30 PM

St. Augustine, Florida Trump rally with a large crowd. Trump up nationwide by 2 points according to IBD.

One of these days you're going to figure this out. There will be somewhere between 7-8 million votes cast in the state of Florida in this General Election. Although, unlike you, it demonstrates a commitment to the candidate, a crowd of 10,000 is inconsequential when determining who is going to win the majority of voters in a state.

That fact will come into clear focus for you on November 8th.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 25, 2016, 09:59:08 AM

In the latest round of polls, Trump has even been written off by Fox, the LA Times and IBD.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 25, 2016, 10:01:44 AM

Hold the presses! After a few new exit polls at Trump rallies, Donald's performance has gone off the charts!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2016, 10:39:39 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 25, 2016, 08:37:01 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 10:54:30 PM
St. Augustine, Florida Trump rally with a large crowd. Trump up nationwide by 2 points according to IBD.

One of these days you're going to figure this out. There will be somewhere between 7-8 million votes cast in the state of Florida in this General Election. Although, unlike you, it demonstrates a commitment to the candidate, a crowd of 10,000 is inconsequential when determining who is going to win the majority of voters in a state.

That fact will come into clear focus for you on November 8th.

blah blah blah. you're one of the sheep who will believe anything. and it's your group who has been :censored: ing up America.
I very much look forward to the early morning hours of November 9th when you'll be eating crow.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2016, 11:17:54 AM

"He's been divorced and remarried. He can't commit to anything."
"He's dangerously ignorant about international affairs. The Russian leaders will walk all over him."
"He has no filter - doesn't think before he speaks."
"Until recently, he was a Democrat. He's not a real Republican. He hasn't paid his GOP dues."
"He used to be Pro Choice. Now, suddenly he's Pro Life?"
"That can't be his real hair!"
"He's a loose cannon. No one wants HIS finger on the nuclear button."
"His opponent has the experience and political savvy to be president. He does not."
"He's just not presidential."
"His temperament disqualifies him from ever being Commander-In-Chief."
"He's proven himself to be mentally unstable."
"The military will never accept him as Commander-In-Chief. He's not smart enough."
"The GOP doesn't want him to be the head of the party. He could never reach across the aisle to get anything done."
"Most Republican voters will just stay home rather than go out and vote for him."
"Evangelicals will never support him."
"He says '(Lets) Make America Great Again'. How dare he say we aren't still great?!?!"
"His intellect is thinner than spit on a slate rock.
"After all his gaffs, he doubles down on them instead of admitting he made a mistake."
"He's threatening to upend our treaties and relationships with our allies by demanding that they pay for their own defense!"
"Because of his gross factual errors he might take rash action and needlessly lead this country into open warfare!"
"He's racist, xenophobic, and fuels the fires of hatred!"
"The rising turnout of his voters are not loyal Republicans or Democrats and are alienated from both parties because neither takes a sympathetic view toward their issues.
"The fact that he could be deemed a serious candidate for president is a shame and embarrassment for the country.
"Is he Safe? …he shoots from the hip … he's over his head … What are his solutions?
"Voters want to follow some authority figure, a leader who can take charge with authority; return a sense of discipline to our government; and, manifest the willpower needed to get this country back on track -- Or at least a leader from outside Washington,"
*******************************************************************
Sound familiar? You've heard this all about Donald Trump, right?
Try Again. All this was said of Ronald Reagan in 1976 and 1980. Most of it was BY OTHER REPUBLICANS, and Reagan turned out to be arguably one of the greatest presidents of the 20th Century, if not of all time (excluding possibly George Washington.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2016, 11:26:28 AM

who cares about Corporate media lies when you can present the simple truth?

https://www.wired.com/2016/10/trumps-campaign-launching-nightly-news-show-facebook/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 25, 2016, 12:45:01 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 25, 2016, 11:26:28 AM

who cares about Corporate media lies when you can present the simple truth?

The simple truth is Trump is HEMORRHAGING votes as every day goes by.

The victory margin for Clinton will be somewhere between 7-12 points.

Thanks Trumpsters >:(

Maine, Indiana and even TEXAS might now be in play for Clinton.

TEXAS voting Democrat? How bad must a Republican candidate be to lose Texas? :hidechair:

Thank God the data from early voters seems to indicate that HRC's coattails are not negatively affecting the crucial down ballot races. That means that traditional Republican voters might not be voting for Trump, but they're continuing to support Republican candidates.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 25, 2016, 01:41:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 25, 2016, 12:45:01 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 25, 2016, 11:26:28 AM
who cares about Corporate media lies when you can present the simple truth?

The simple truth is Trump is HEMORRHAGING votes as every day goes by.

The victory margin for Clinton will be somewhere between 7-12 points.

Thanks Trumpsters >:(

Maine, Indiana and even TEXAS might now be in play for Clinton.

TEXAS voting Democrat? How bad must a Republican candidate be to lose Texas? :hidechair:

Thank God the data from early voters seems to indicate that HRC's coattails are not negatively affecting the crucial down ballot races. That means that traditional Republican voters might not be voting for Trump, but they're continuing to support Republican candidates.

I haven't seen the odds on Trump change much.

Yup, still the same as last week, 4/1 on Trump and 2/11 on that other creature.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 25, 2016, 01:46:02 PM

I do hope that Shakespear hasn't been betting too heavily against his own party and candidate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 25, 2016, 01:47:31 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 25, 2016, 01:46:02 PM

I do hope that Shakespear hasn't been betting too heavily against his own party and candidate.

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2016, 01:50:05 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 25, 2016, 01:41:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 25, 2016, 12:45:01 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 25, 2016, 11:26:28 AM
who cares about Corporate media lies when you can present the simple truth?

The simple truth is Trump is HEMORRHAGING votes as every day goes by.

The victory margin for Clinton will be somewhere between 7-12 points.

Thanks Trumpsters >:(

Maine, Indiana and even TEXAS might now be in play for Clinton.

TEXAS voting Democrat? How bad must a Republican candidate be to lose Texas? :hidechair:

Thank God the data from early voters seems to indicate that HRC's coattails are not negatively affecting the crucial down ballot races. That means that traditional Republican voters might not be voting for Trump, but they're continuing to support Republican candidates.
I haven't seen the odds on Trump change much.

He's just spouting a bunch of nonsense, the only poll that is going to matter now is the real results of Nov. 8th. Myself and other real Republicans are very confident of a Trump victory.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 25, 2016, 01:54:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 25, 2016, 01:50:05 PM

Myself and other real Republicans are very confident of a Trump victory.

Perhaps those that still believe in the tooth fairy . . . . . . . . . . .

But not confident enough to make even a small "sporting" wager.

Conviction Factor = ZERO

Accordingly, Credibility Factor = Also ZERO

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 25, 2016, 02:00:19 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 25, 2016, 01:46:02 PM

I do hope that Shakespear hasn't been betting too heavily against his own party and candidate.

My own party was "beat" the day Trump won the nomination.

When Clinton wins I'll expect a complete and total admission from you that you were completely wrong in your bullshit analysis of the 2016 Trump campaign.

But I won't hold my breath waiting for it. :Zzzzsleep:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 25, 2016, 02:07:22 PM

Can you have coalition in USA politics?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 25, 2016, 02:48:03 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 25, 2016, 01:41:40 PM

Yup, still the same as last week, 4/1 on Trump and 2/11 on that other creature.

Check again.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2016, 02:51:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 25, 2016, 01:54:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 25, 2016, 01:50:05 PM
Myself and other real Republicans are very confident of a Trump victory.

Perhaps those that still believe in the tooth fairy . . . . . . . . . . .

But not confident enough to make even a small "sporting" wager.

Conviction Factor = ZERO

Accordingly, Credibility Factor = Also ZERO

If I do want to make a "sporting" wager I will do it at a casino where I get 5 to 1 odds, not with some chump offering me even odds on the internet.

November 8th I expect to see you post a photo of yourself eating crow.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2016, 02:53:53 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 25, 2016, 02:00:19 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 25, 2016, 01:46:02 PM
I do hope that Shakespear hasn't been betting too heavily against his own party and candidate.

My own party was "beat" the day Trump won the nomination.

When Clinton wins I'll expect a complete and total admission from you that you were completely wrong in your bullshit analysis of the 2016 Trump campaign.

When Trump wins we'll expect the same from you -- your BULLSHIT analysis, compiled of stats from paid operatives of the Clinton campaign (the corporate media who only takes orders from the "establishment") was totally WRONG and that you were WRONG to ever doubt his campaign or his true followers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 25, 2016, 02:54:55 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 25, 2016, 02:48:03 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on October 25, 2016, 01:41:40 PM
Yup, still the same as last week, 4/1 on Trump and 2/11 on that other creature.

Check again.

See for yourself.

https://m.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/#!event_details?id=216136503

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 25, 2016, 03:02:40 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 25, 2016, 02:07:22 PM

Can you have coalition in USA politics?

Kind of.

In the US Senate members of a third party are allowed "caucus" with one of the two major parties.

There are two elected "independent" Senators that currently caucus with the Democrats:

Bernie Sanders -Vermont
Angus King - Maine

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 25, 2016, 03:10:15 PM

Lemme get this right from TomT's pic.

As of now, it's not between Trump and Clinton, in theory there are others who could win, Sanders etc, but they're not the preferred candidates for either of the two parties so it would be very unlikely? They could win though by some miracle or vote scam which everyone seems to think is happening anyway...

I know I've got this wrong, seems so strange but I suppose our UK one does too..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 25, 2016, 04:07:18 PM

Shakespear, even if Trump loses, which is far from unlikely, what on earth gets in your little noggin to make you think that EVERYTHING I have written was wrong?
I rather think that we are seeing a deal of projection here given the extent of your wrongheadedness these past weeks and months.

Really man, something is biting you hard in the places that used to let you think.

Here's a word to the wise: before posting stuff that can make you look like a fool, give your words some thought.

There's a fair chance that delaying pressing the 'Post' button by 30 seconds and giving the output of your fingers a chance to be replaced by the output of your brain can result in a manifold increase in the perception of the value of that which you post.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 25, 2016, 04:26:00 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 25, 2016, 03:10:15 PM

Lemme get this right from TomT's pic.

As of now, it's not between Trump and Clinton, in theory there are others who could win, Sanders etc, but they're not the preferred candidates for either of the two parties so it would be very unlikely? They could win though by some miracle or vote scam which everyone seems to think is happening anyway...

I know I've got this wrong, seems so strange but I suppose our UK one does too..

In theory, a write-in candidate could win but it's never happened. One problem is that not all states allow write-ins and another is that electors would have to be assigned on very short notice.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2016, 05:06:53 PM

no doubt the traitor in our midst doesn't care or actually hopes this is happening. you know who you are :censored:.

http://www.yesimright.com/voting-machines-caught-switching-trump-votes-to-hillary-in-texas/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2016, 05:13:17 PM

let's see if the sheep in our midst bleating what their masters tell them to can figure this one out.

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/cnn-says-hillary-leading-trump-by-12-just-one-huge-problem

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 25, 2016, 06:32:13 PM

Stop it with the Clinton coronation. Trump can still win–Commentary

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/25/stop-it-with-the-clinton-coronation-trump-can-still-win-commentary.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2016, 06:52:00 PM

more stupidity.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/16/obama-administration-sues-peter-thiel-palantir-con/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2016, 09:36:31 PM

a good explanation for the simpletons as to why Trump will win.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2016, 09:48:48 PM

Clinton again attempts to blame Russia for something which Russia most likely had nothing to do with. This woman is incredibly dangerous and mentally unstable yet somebody on this forum thinks otherwise.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2016, 10:23:13 PM

LOL! a hollywood liberal goes on record as saying that Shillary is more dangerous than Trump.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/3/susan-sarandon-says-hillary-clinton-more-dangerous/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 26, 2016, 07:24:07 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 25, 2016, 12:45:01 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 25, 2016, 11:26:28 AM
who cares about Corporate media lies when you can present the simple truth?

The simple truth is Trump is HEMORRHAGING votes as every day goes by.

The victory margin for Clinton will be somewhere between 7-12 points.

Thanks Trumpsters >:(

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-26%20at%208.19.32%20AM_zpsnemk2wql.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 08:18:23 AM

Watching NBC this morning that corporate shill Matt Lauer and his sidekick were piling on to Kellyanne Conway about why was Trump opening his new hotel in WA DC instead of campaigning. Unbelieveable! obviously Trump builds things and he gets them done ahead of time and under budget. This is indeed very important to Americans who want somebody who can get government work done ahead of time and under budget.

No mention that Trump's schedule is 3 times as rigorous as Shillary's schedule nor mention she had to take 5 days off to rest before one of the debates. Just harangue Kellyanne Conway over this and then harrangue her over Trump's message.

to say the corporate "media" is in the tank for Shillary is an understatement -- they just won't let up or give equal playtime. It only motivates Trump voters more!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:24:40 AM

Minnesota is no longer in play; it is now leaning toward Clinton. The rocket scientists who are planning a celebration for a Trump landslide should note that their mentally ill candidate needs to find 144 electoral votes with only 140 available. It's not all bad, though; y'all can drink yourselves into oblivion and stay that way for the next eight years. (We won't notice the difference.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 08:39:09 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:24:40 AM

Minnesota is no longer in play; it is now leaning toward Clinton. The rocket scientists who are planning a celebration for a Trump landslide should note that their mentally ill candidate needs to find 144 electoral votes with only 140 available. It's not all bad, though; y'all can drink yourselves into oblivion and stay that way for the next eight years. (We won't notice the difference.)

we don't need Minnesota, we've got all the states Romney had, plus Florida and a few others he did not have. your "celebration" is premature as usual.

if your mentally ill candidate does get in, she will no doubt start WWIII overseas while encouraging her Islamic friends to riot, pillage, rape and behead back home. no doubt sick *snip*s like you will celebrate while Rome burns.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:42:12 AM

^ Are you going to continue to post after the election?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 08:45:00 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:42:12 AM

^ Are you going to continue to post after the election?

of course! I will be here to rub the Trump victory in your face!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:47:38 AM

Great!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 26, 2016, 08:51:06 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:47:38 AM

Great!

Of course Tom, he's got to tell us how the election was "rigged" and Trump really won.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 08:52:52 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 26, 2016, 08:51:06 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:47:38 AM
Great!

Of course Tom, he's got to tell us how the election was "rigged" and Trump really won.

you're a cuck and when he wins I am not going to let you forget it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 26, 2016, 08:53:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2016, 08:18:23 AM

to say the corporate "media" is in the tank for Shillary is an understatement -- they just won't let up or give equal playtime. It only motivates Trump voters more!

Thank God, not long to go before the election and the theme will be 'we was robbed' ...

Florida - as I understand it will go to Clinton - no thanks to the Latinos and Colin Powell has endorsed the Democratic candidate for the 3rd time in a row ... :coffeeread:

Why the Republicans can't find a plausible candidate eludes me ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 08:55:48 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 08:05:05 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: Manny on October 23, 2016, 05:06:23 PM
Are you a Hillary supporter, Tom? Might you tell the good people how she will help the US and help world peace?

My baseline criteria for a candidate:
1) more intelligent than I am,
2) more knowledgeable than I am,
3) more politically savvy than I am and
4) more mentally stable than I am.

If more than one candidate clears those hurdles, then I use issues for a tie-breaker. This election was easy because only Hillary ticked the four boxes. I'm not too keen about a massive influx of immigrants from the Middle-East but I'm less keen about a deranged bugger with the launch codes.

I understand that Trump is more intelligent, knowledgeable, politically savvy and mentally stable than some of our members but that reflects on their failings, not on Trump's merits.

Let's take a moment and examine the inherent contradictions of your statements here. You readily admit that you're "not too keen about a massive influx of immigrants from the Middle East", yet you claim to want somebody who is

1) More intelligent
2) More knowledgeable

than yourself. Yet any knowledgeable and intelligent person knows that out of only 100,000 immigrants from the middle east, and in particular from Syria, there is a very high probability of implanted ISIS terrorists, or persons who are easily influenced into becoming ISIS recruits. If out of 100,000 immigrants only 0.5 percent were already implants or on their way to becoming radicalized, that's 500 jihadi's who you've now paid to have housed, fed, clothed and to have their medical needs attended to. which brings us back to

4) More mentally stable

What kind of rational, intelligent, knowledgeable and sane person would knowingly import hundreds of thousands of immigrants who are antithetical to Western civilization and democracy into America?

A person who is

1) Intelligent
2) Knowledgeable
and
4) Mentally stable

absolutely would not! And a person who has those qualities, would absolutely not vote for any politician who promises to import a "massive influx of immigrants from the Middle East".

Now let's look at her temperament. I suggest you actually do a bit of research and educate yourself about that. In the video I posted above the plan for the Matt Lauer interview event was that Secretary Clinton would receive all questions in advance for her prep. When it turned out she did not, well let's just say she threw an epic temper tantrum.

Now let's look at her relationship with Vladimir Putin and the Russians. If she was

1) Intelligent
2) Knowledgeable

one would think that she could have done a proper translation on her "reset" button. That did not happen. Now fast forward to current events in Syria. She has called for a "no fly zone" in Syria, a country which the United States has not been invited to by the President of Syria. We are there, against International Law, telling the Russians and Syria who are there properly, that WE (according to Clinton) have a right to impose a "no fly zone". Is this

Intelligent
Knowledgeable and most importantly the actions of a
Mentally stable

person? Most rational, sane, intelligent persons who are mentally stable and have examined the word and actions of Putin compared to the schizophrenic actions of Secretary Clinton, would advise against a "no fly zone" in Syria.

Then we have Mr. Trump, a pragmatic man who believes we should do our best to get along with Russia.

Your words are contradictory and your logic does not follow. Go ahead and vote for Clinton like the other sheep.

notice mr. copy and paste the latest bogus poll did not respond to this examination of his lack of mental clarity. meanwhile in Calais Islamic "immigrants" have burned their own camps.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 26, 2016, 08:56:53 AM

What time do the boozers open in Banjo-playing States?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 08:58:29 AM

LOL! here's a video of a packed Trump rally versus a very soft rally for Hittlery in the same town of Ohio. 'course the cucks and sheep will claim that packed rally's are not voters. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 09:01:56 AM

Newt Gingrich owns corporate media rat and shill Martha Raddatz.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 09:07:17 AM

Jill Stein the green party candidate warns that Shillary will start WWIII with Russia.

quote: Hillary Clinton is of incredible service to Wall Street and to the war profiteers... :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 26, 2016, 09:08:02 AM

Trump supporters are VERY firm in their commitment to vote for him. Hillary's supporters range from lukewarm to just one click away from being dead in their support for her. The African-American voters will not turn out for her like they did for Barrack. I doubt if a third will turn out. In short the polls do not mean squat.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 09:14:13 AM

Quote from: Maxx on October 26, 2016, 09:08:02 AM

Trump supporters are VERY firm in their commitment to vote for him. Hillary's supporters range from lukewarm to just one click away from being dead in their support for her. The African-American voters will not turn out for her like they did for Barrack. I doubt if a third will turn out. In short the polls do not mean squat.

:thumbsup:

Trump will double romney's turnout of african-american voters for a Republican and he will easily triple or quadruple the evangelical vote. those bogus polls have been deliberately done in a fraudulent manner to discourage Trump voters from going to the polls but were not having it!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 09:15:42 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 26, 2016, 08:56:53 AM

What time do the boozers open in Banjo-playing States?

It doesn't matter. what time yankee losers hit the gin tonics is what is relevant.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 09:18:59 AM

Newt Gingrich owns Megyn Kelly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 26, 2016, 10:18:40 AM

Why do you guys believe in 'polls' when you know that they are purposefully inaccurate? Is this some kind of confirmation bias thing that you guys are afflicted with?

Just about the only evidence you have, one way or another is direct evidence such as rally attendance, social media and the like. Normally these would serve as sanity checks but you are disregarding them in favour of prejudices.

Weird, sad and not indicative of anything good.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 10:35:26 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 26, 2016, 10:18:40 AM

Why do you guys believe in 'polls' when you know that they are purposefully inaccurate? Is this some kind of confirmation bias thing that you guys are afflicted with?

Just about the only evidence you have, one way or another is direct evidence such as rally attendance, social media and the like. Normally these would serve as sanity checks but you are disregarding them in favour of prejudices.

Weird, sad and not indicative of anything good.

a thinker can carefully look at a poll and see if it has been massaged to favor Shillary and the Democraps. Some not so much so they appear more credible but then one can see the poll is done in a liberal bastion (a city predominately liberal) and one knows it has been massaged.

yet now we have some polls coming up in favor of Trump or showing he is within 2 points (within a margin of victory).

overall I agree that rally attendance and social media are the best indicators this cycle. never before has a candidate been so deeply flawed as Hillary and never before has the corporate media simply glossed over her many flaws but given credence to bogus allegations made 2 weeks before a Presidential election and picked at other silly stuff as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 10:43:02 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 26, 2016, 08:56:53 AM

What time do the boozers open in Banjo-playing States?

I seen in the Brexit thread that you like Corbyn so you would probably like green party Jill Stein as well. She's saying some stuff common to what Trump has been saying all along.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 10:49:42 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 26, 2016, 08:51:06 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:47:38 AM
Great!

Of course Tom, he's got to tell us how the election was "rigged" and Trump really won.

anyone with a brain knows that LBJ and Kennedy cheated Nixon during the 1960 election. In particular LBJ had his goons in Texas "fix" that state and corrupt Illinois was easy to fix for Kennedy.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2000/10/was_nixon_robbed.html

Of course you being a cuck don't care, you think Trump should bend over and take it if the fraud of the clinton crime cartel is enough to overcome the avalanche of Trump voters.

just like Al Gore sued for a recount and did other machinations if the fraud is large enough you can be sure Trump will sue for justice as well.

your lack of good character is noted.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 11:05:31 AM

:nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 26, 2016, 11:05:42 AM

Quote from: andrewfi link=topic=24412. [b

Why do you guys believe in 'polls'[/b] when you know that they are purposefully inaccurate? Is this some kind of confirmation bias thing that you guys are afflicted with?

Just about the only evidence you have, one way or another is direct evidence such as rally attendance, social media and the like. Normally these would serve as sanity checks but you are disregarding them in favour of prejudices.

Weird, sad and not indicative of anything good.

Evidence of that is from Wikileaks of Podesta's e-mail instructing the Atlas polling organization to "oversample" people who are biased towards Hillary.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-26%20at%2011.55.58%20AM_zpsi7hu59ak.png)(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-26%20at%2011.56.09%20AM_zpski4kpy7p.png)

Yet TomT and Shakespear cannot process this factor in their thinking because their hatred for Trump and his supporters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 26, 2016, 11:06:55 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2016, 10:49:42 AM

Of course you being a cuck don't care, you think Trump should bend over and take it if the fraud of the clinton crime cartel is enough to overcome the avalanche of Trump voters.

So are you advocating armed revolution against the government if Trump doesn't win?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 11:09:27 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 26, 2016, 11:06:55 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2016, 10:49:42 AM
Of course you being a cuck don't care, you think Trump should bend over and take it if the fraud of the clinton crime cartel is enough to overcome the avalanche of Trump voters.

So are you advocating armed revolution against the government if Trump doesn't win?

are you severely challenged? I clearly stated that Trump should sue just like Al Gore did, the difference being that I doubt it will be necessary but if it is Trump will prevail in the end.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 26, 2016, 11:11:11 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2016, 11:09:27 AM

are you severely challenged? I clearly stated that Trump should sue just like Al Gore did, the difference being that I doubt it will be necessary but if it is Trump will prevail in the end.

And if the suit isn't resolved in Trump's favor, are you then advocating armed revolution against the government of the United States?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 11:12:10 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2016, 10:49:42 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 26, 2016, 08:51:06 AM
Quote from: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:47:38 AM
Great!

Of course Tom, he's got to tell us how the election was "rigged" and Trump really won.

anyone with a brain knows that LBJ and Kennedy cheated Nixon during the 1960 election. In particular LBJ had his goons in Texas "fix" that state and corrupt Illinois was easy to fix for Kennedy.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2000/10/was_nixon_robbed.html

Of course you being a cuck don't care, you think Trump should bend over and take it if the fraud of the clinton crime cartel is enough to overcome the avalanche of Trump voters.

just like Al Gore sued for a recount and did other machinations if the fraud is large enough you can be sure Trump will sue for justice as well.

your lack of good character is noted.

for the person w/ reading comprehension problems. no wonder he believes corporate polls. :prophead:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 11:12:54 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 26, 2016, 11:11:11 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2016, 11:09:27 AM
are you severely challenged? I clearly stated that Trump should sue just like Al Gore did, the difference being that I doubt it will be necessary but if it is Trump will prevail in the end.

And if the suit isn't resolved in Trump's favor, are you then advocating armed revolution against the government of the United States?

obviously not mr. G man. nice try though! :ROFL:

I will also note for the readers that you have yet to complain about rioters being paid by the Clinton crime cartel to obstruct and otherwise illegally shut down Trump's Chicago rally. Trump has said he will make complaints to the FEC about her various ILLEGAL activities which I note you have not complained about, yet you claim to be a good Republican.

RE -- Robert Creamer visiting the White House 342 times. RE-- her unlawful coordination with PAC's. etc.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 11:20:14 AM

:nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 26, 2016, 11:22:33 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 26, 2016, 11:11:11 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2016, 11:09:27 AM
are you severely challenged? I clearly stated that Trump should sue just like Al Gore did, the difference being that I doubt it will be necessary but if it is Trump will prevail in the end.

And if the suit isn't resolved in Trump's favor, are you then advocating armed revolution against the government of the United States?

Why not??

The US does suchlike on other countries who fail to bend to US demands...

Get rid of the feckers then the world will be a more peaceful place to live...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 26, 2016, 11:27:29 AM

:dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 11:29:46 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 26, 2016, 11:27:29 AM

^
I don't think that Shakey is a G man...

He strongly believes in certain things, and one should commend him for said beliefs, but he is also a man who cannot see the woods from the trees IMHO..

that's for sure!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 26, 2016, 11:32:16 AM

what happened there??

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 11:32:20 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 26, 2016, 11:22:33 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 26, 2016, 11:11:11 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2016, 11:09:27 AM
are you severely challenged? I clearly stated that Trump should sue just like Al Gore did, the difference being that I doubt it will be necessary but if it is Trump will prevail in the end.

And if the suit isn't resolved in Trump's favor, are you then advocating armed revolution against the government of the United States?

Why not??

The US does suchlike on other countries who fail to bend to US demands...

it's a nasty trick, he knows anyone making even veiled threats against the US government can be locked away, key thrown away. not an upright honest man this "shakespear". and you're right about our overseas BS which must and will win with a Trump victory.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 26, 2016, 11:37:06 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 26, 2016, 11:22:33 AM

Why not??

Good question. Our own Declaration Of Independence justifies this action under certain circumstances -

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends,it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Just wanted to know where Confederate stood on this issue. Little paranoid, isn't our boy?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 11:38:49 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 26, 2016, 11:37:06 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 26, 2016, 11:22:33 AM
Why not??

Good question. Our own Declaration Of Independence justifies this action under certain circumstances -

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

oh yeah, sure. you obviously don't believe much of this, so why bother? I'm outa here. you're nothin' but a govt. weasel.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 26, 2016, 11:43:52 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2016, 11:38:49 AM

I'm outa here.

That was easy :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 26, 2016, 11:53:38 AM

I believe someone has just twatted Trumps Hollywood Star with sledgehammer.

Popular guy....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 26, 2016, 01:08:18 PM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 01:50:00 PM

TV Pundits Praise Hillary Clinton On Air, Fail to Disclose Financial Ties to Her Campaign

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/25/tv-pundits-praise-hillary-clinton-on-air-fail-to-disclose-financial-ties-to-her-campaign/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 26, 2016, 01:56:47 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 01:50:00 PM

TV Pundits Praise Hillary Clinton On Air, Fail to Disclose Financial Ties to Her Campaign

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/25/tv-pundits-praise-hillary-clinton-on-air-fail-to-disclose-financial-ties-to-her-campaign/

Well, whodathunkit!

And in late news: water is wet, shit smells of shit. More on News at Ten!

As I see it the news about the Clinton shenanigans is going to keep on coming but it is too late for any administrative actin to be taken against her or the campaign. If she wins then everything will be swept away under the nearest carpet, palms will be greased, accounts squared and favours returned.

Only if enough people get to see and learn about what is happening can voters do anything.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 02:08:42 PM

BREAKING: Secret List of EVERY Reporter on Hillary’s Payroll JUST LEAKED!

http://www.proud-patriots.com/breaking-secret-list-every-reporter-hillarys-payroll-just-leaked/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 26, 2016, 02:29:37 PM

Are we talking USA here or Zimbabwe?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 03:24:59 PM

Trump is in the running in every state, Minnesota included.
This poll from the 98 governor race, shows how the democratic media, placing their candidate with a comfortable lead, just 3 weeks before the election.
Jesse Ventura a third party candidate won.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/199810/14_newsroom_poll/

Poll: 1998 Governor & Attorney General RacesPoll commissioned by Minnesota Public Radio, KARE 11, and Pioneer PressOctober 14, 1998Analysis | Poll Results | Comparison to Previous Polls |Poll Methodology ANALYSISMinnesota Attorney General Humbert Humphrey III enjoys a double digit lead over Norm Coleman in the Governor's race as the campaign enters its final three weeks.Statewide, 56 percent of likely voters have a favorable opinion of Humphrey, while 23 percent have an unfavorable opinion. Coleman's negatives are slightly higher, and he's not as popular.In a match-up, Humphrey captures 44 percentof the vote, compared to 31 percent for Coleman, with 15 percent backing Reform Party candidate Jesse Ventura and 10 percentremain undecided

Quote from: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:24:40 AM

Minnesota is no longer in play; it is now leaning toward Clinton. The rocket scientists who are planning a celebration for a Trump landslide should note that their mentally ill candidate needs to find 144 electoral votes with only 140 available. It's not all bad, though; y'all can drink yourselves into oblivion and stay that way for the next eight years. (We won't notice the difference.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 26, 2016, 03:38:55 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 26, 2016, 02:29:37 PM

Are we talking USA here or Zimbabwe?

Yes, it (USA electoral process) is a joke and the supposedly the fair main stream media is corrupt to the core. The obviousness of this and their bias against Trump is one of the factors driving Trump's support. Even super liberal Michael Moore says voting for Trump is like giving the establishment a giant "F - YOU!"

P.O.W.E.R.F.U.L..

"I know a lot of people in Michigan that are planning to vote for Trump and they don't necessarily agree with him. They're not racist or redneck, they're actually pretty decent people and so after talking to a number of them I wanted to write this.

Donald Trump came to the Detroit Economic Club and stood there in front of Ford Motor executives and said "if you close these factories as you're planning to do in Detroit and build them in Mexico, I'm going to put a 35% tariff on those cars when you send them back and nobody's going to buy them." It was an amazing thing to see. No politician, Republican or Democrat, had ever said anything like that to these executives, and it was music to the ears of people in Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — the "Brexit" states.

You live here in Ohio, you know what I'm talking about. Whether Trump means it or not, is kind of irrelevant because he's saying the things to people who are hurting, and that's why every beaten-down, nameless, forgotten working stiff who used to be part of what was called the middle class loves Trump. He is the human Molotov Cocktail that they've been waiting for; the human hand grande that they can legally throw into the system that stole their lives from them. And on November 8, although they lost their jobs, although they've been foreclose on by the bank, next came the divorce and now the wife and kids are gone, the car's been repoed, they haven't had a real vacation in years, they're stuck with the shitty Obamacare bronze plan where you can't even get a :censored: ing percocet, they've essentially lost everything they had except one thing - the one thing that doesn't cost them a cent and is guaranteed to them by the American constitution: the right to vote.

They might be penniless, they might be homeless, they might be :censored: ed over and :censored: ed up it doesn't matter, because it's equalized on that day - a millionaire has the same number of votes as the person without a job: one. And there's more of the former middle class than there are in the millionaire class. So on November 8 the dispossessed will walk into the voting booth, be handed a ballot, close the curtain, and take that lever or felt pen or touchscreen and put a big :censored: ing X in the box by the name of the man who has threatened to upend and overturn the very system that has ruined their lives: Donald J Trump.

They see that the elite who ruined their lives hate Trump. Corporate America hates Trump. Wall Street hates Trump. The career politicians hate Trump. The media hates Trump, after they loved him and created him, and now hate. Thank you media: the enemy of my enemy is who I'm voting for on November 8.

Yes, on November 8, you Joe Blow, Steve Blow, Bob Blow, Billy Blow, Billy Bob Blow all the Blows get to go and blow up the whole goddamn system because it's your right. Trump's election is going to be the biggest :censored: ever recorded in human history and it will feel good." ~ Michael Moore

Although according to Snopes, he didn't actually mean what he said above. But sounds like a lot of truth to me.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 26, 2016, 04:30:32 PM

Now Pennsylvania is back in play. It's getting difficult to chase this stuff around.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 26, 2016, 06:05:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 26, 2016, 11:43:52 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2016, 11:38:49 AM
I'm outa here.

That was easy :ROFL:

But who will rub it in our faces if Trump is elected?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 26, 2016, 06:14:23 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 26, 2016, 06:05:03 PM

But who will rub it in our faces if Trump is elected?

I'm hoping for a Trump victory but it is beyond any reasonable possibility.

I'm sure Slumba, Cuffy and Top Cat will fill that void.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 06:47:48 PM

There's plenty of time for Trump to rally, I don't believe in polls, but for those that do, Trump's closing the gap
By election day the polls most likely will show both contestants in a dead heat. That most likely will mean a Trump victory.
I still have a feeling Trump will have a landslide victory.
Hillary played the Trump predator card a bit too soon me thinks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 06:59:23 PM

This article may already be posted, but the reasoning is sound.

Why I'm (still) betting big on Donald Trump to win

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/10/24/why-im-still-betting-big-on-donald-trump-to-win.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 08:04:11 PM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:16:07 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 06:47:48 PM

I still have a feeling Trump will have a landslide victory.

Anteros would be your best friend, if he was around.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 08:19:49 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 26, 2016, 01:56:47 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 01:50:00 PM

TV Pundits Praise Hillary Clinton On Air, Fail to Disclose Financial Ties to Her Campaign

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/25/tv-pundits-praise-hillary-clinton-on-air-fail-to-disclose-financial-ties-to-her-campaign/

Well, whodathunkit!

And in late news: water is wet, shit smells of shit. More on News at Ten!

As I see it the news about the Clinton shenanigans is going to keep on coming but it is too late for any administrative actin to be taken against her or the campaign. If she wins then everything will be swept away under the nearest carpet, palms will be greased, accounts squared and favours returned.

Only if enough people get to see and learn about what is happening can voters do anything.

2 minutes into this video and you can see a major seizure episode. will the corporate media report or investigate her horrible health? of course not.

she also makes a bunch of other bogus claims such as the claim that 17 intelligence agencies blame Russia. That is false but they won't call her on it. in reality only Clapper a discredited liar made more foolish statements.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:22:47 PM

While some of you have been jabbering away about rallies (and the fools who attend them), Clinton's favorability rating has climbed to 16 points above Trump and Obama's job approval has topped 52%.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2016, 08:28:34 PM

November 8th is judgment day for Shillary and her mentally ill supporters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 08:29:41 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:22:47 PM

While some of you have been jabbering away about rallies (and the fools who attend them), Clinton's favorability rating has climbed to 16 points above Trump and Obama's job approval has topped 52%.

As much as you can believe the mainstream media, and how much B.S. is in the numbers

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:38:01 PM

^ Many of your links lead to the Russian press; there isn't any bias there, right?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 08:39:11 PM

If the desired effect is to suppress turnout, it might very well backfire.

Rand Paul: Polls showing Clinton ahead are 'designed to suppress turnout'

By Chris Massie
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/rand-paul-on-clinton-polls/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:41:48 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2016, 08:28:34 PM

November 8th is judgment day for Shillary and her mentally ill supporters.

Didn't you just write that you were "outa here?"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 08:48:00 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:38:01 PM

^ Many of your links lead to the Russian press; there isn't any bias there, right?

I hope you haven't turned anti-Russian along with your support for Hillary?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 26, 2016, 11:31:05 PM

Don't worry TomT, I know that you're just trolling. I am sure that most people reading know that as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 27, 2016, 01:45:27 AM

Pat Condell's comments on the US election and advice to our pals over the pond.

(Moby and Co mentioned @ 4:50 :chuckle: )

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 27, 2016, 02:35:04 AM

peace?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 27, 2016, 05:18:05 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 27, 2016, 01:45:27 AM

Pat Condell's comments on the US election and advice to our pals over the pond.

(Moby and Co mentioned @ 4:50 :chuckle: )

Great video. I doubt though there will be peace with any outcome.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 27, 2016, 05:51:43 AM

Here is something bizarre...

Quote

But even if Trump can somehow pull off a miracle and squeak past the 270 electoral vote mark, the truth is that Utah could still mess everything up.

Do you remember Evan McMullin?

He was the third party “conservative alternative” candidate that was hyped for a couple of days but that seemingly fell off the map afterwards.

He is only on the ballot in 12 states, but one of those states is Utah, and it turns out that Evan McMullin is a Mormon.

Many Mormons believe that a Mormon will be elected president someday when the U.S. Constitution hangs “like a thread“. According to this belief, this Mormon president will turn the country around and all sorts of wonderful things will start to happen. Many Mormons thought that Mitt Romney was going to be this president, but now Evan McMullin has become the target of these expectations.

So how in the world could Evan McMullin become president?

Well, their plan is to have Evan McMullin win Utah, and that could potentially keep both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton from both getting to 270 electoral votes if the election is super close. If that happens, the election would be thrown into the House of Representatives.

It is being projected that the House will still be controlled by the Republicans after this election, and so the choice would come down to either Trump or McMullin, and those backing McMullin believe that he would have a realistic shot in that scenario.

I know all of this sounds very strange, but this is actually being discussed around family dinner tables all over Utah tonight.

And in recent days Evan McMullin has been soaring in Utah. One recent survey shows Trump with a one point lead over McMullin, and another recent survey actually show McMullin leading Trump by four points in the state.

So Trump could pull off a miracle and do everything else that he needs to do to get to 270 electoral votes, and Utah could end up messing up everything for him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 08:01:26 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 06:59:23 PM

This article may already be posted, but the reasoning is sound.

Why I'm (still) betting big on Donald Trump to win

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/10/24/why-im-still-betting-big-on-donald-trump-to-win.html

polls of the corporate media simply don't matter. they are intended to discourage Trump voters but they will backfire since it is Clinton supporters who have always been lukewarm. Trump has already picked up a portion of former Bernie supporters. He will easily double or triple Romney's black and latino supporters on election day. Then there is one of the most important swing voters: the evangelical voters. They couldn't get behind Romney and stayed home as mormanism is seen as a cult by many. They know the Supreme Court hangs in the balance as well as genocide of Christians in the middle east as well as a Christians right to worship in the military, etc.

Trump is well on his way to a resounding victory and the only thing that could possibly put a hiccup in it would be defective voting machines (Soros) and enough dead people voting for Clinton. this is like a game where the visiting team must overcome corrupt officials determined to throw the game -- Trump supporters are highly motivated to vote and vote in huge numbers.

(from your link)
"More importantly, why is the media ignoring the polls predicting Trump is in the lead? I'm betting you've never heard a word about these polls in the media.

Rasmussen has Trump up by 43-41 percent.

USC/LA Times has Trump up by 1 point.

And most importantly, the most accurate poll of the 2012 election, IBD/TIPP has Trump up 43 to 41 percent.

Funny how the mainstream media doesn’t mention these polls."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 08:09:30 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 27, 2016, 01:45:27 AM

Pat Condell's comments on the US election and advice to our pals over the pond.

(Moby and Co mentioned @ 4:50 :chuckle: )

3:17 into it and he lets slip the true agenda of these globalists "a global soviet union with an iron fist".

great video, I like the part about CNN and BBC whining and blaming the "basket of deplorables" for the result. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 08:20:42 AM

in the previous video he said that CNN has Clinton all the way up in their rectum. CNN might as well have a banner saying "we hate Trump" on the screen 24/7. the genesis of the infiltration of our news by controllers go back to this:

it repeats itself until 3:53 or so at which point it comes up to modern day and gets very interesting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 27, 2016, 08:28:29 AM

Will he bring in Enabling Laws if he gets in?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 27, 2016, 08:56:43 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:16:07 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 06:47:48 PM
I still have a feeling Trump will have a landslide victory.

Anteros would be your best friend, if he was around.

What happened to him and did Shakespear pay up on his bet with him that Trump would not get the Republican nomination?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 27, 2016, 09:25:56 AM

^ I have no idea.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 27, 2016, 09:37:43 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 08:48:00 PM

I hope you haven't turned anti-Russian along with your support for Hillary?

I haven't but I don't support Russian meddling in American politics.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 27, 2016, 09:43:26 AM

Quote from: Maxx on October 27, 2016, 08:56:43 AM

What happened to him and did Shakespear pay up on his bet with him that Trump would not get the Republican nomination?

I ALWAYS pay my bets and I'm insulted that you'd imply otherwise.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 27, 2016, 09:44:28 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 27, 2016, 08:01:26 AM

Funny how the mainstream media doesn’t mention these polls."

{sigh}

I thought you were "outta here"?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 10:00:52 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 27, 2016, 09:37:43 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 08:48:00 PM
I hope you haven't turned anti-Russian along with your support for Hillary?

I haven't but I don't support Russian meddling in American politics.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Quote from: andrewfi on October 26, 2016, 11:31:05 PM

Don't worry TomT, I know that you're just trolling. I am sure that most people reading know that as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on October 27, 2016, 10:01:47 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 27, 2016, 09:37:43 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 08:48:00 PM
I hope you haven't turned anti-Russian along with your support for Hillary?

I haven't but I don't support Russian meddling in American politics.

Do you support American meddling in the politics of many countries including Russia?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 10:03:25 AM

Quote from: yankee on October 27, 2016, 10:01:47 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 27, 2016, 09:37:43 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on October 26, 2016, 08:48:00 PM
I hope you haven't turned anti-Russian along with your support for Hillary?

I haven't but I don't support Russian meddling in American politics.

Do you support American meddling in the politics of many countries including Russia?

of course he does which is why he is voting for Hillary. could it be any other way?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 27, 2016, 10:04:06 AM

One day you'll get what you want, but not today. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 10:06:56 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 27, 2016, 09:44:28 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 27, 2016, 08:01:26 AM
Funny how the mainstream media doesn’t mention these polls."

{sigh}

I thought you were "outta here"?

I took most of that day off an' only came back to be a thorn in your side. :evilgrin0002:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 27, 2016, 10:20:35 AM

Quote from: yankee on October 27, 2016, 10:01:47 AM

Do you support American meddling in the politics of many countries including Russia?

I don't support any country's meddling in the politics of another.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 27, 2016, 10:27:41 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 27, 2016, 10:06:56 AM

I took most of that day off an' only came back to be a thorn in your side. :evilgrin0002:

No thorn in my side. You have a Constitutional right to be ignorant.

But you never answered my question. If Trump loses the election and all his legal maneuvers to change the result are not successful, do you advocate armed insurrection against the government of the United States in order to install Trump as President?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 10:42:04 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 27, 2016, 10:20:35 AM

Quote from: yankee on October 27, 2016, 10:01:47 AM
Do you support American meddling in the politics of many countries including Russia?

I don't support any country's meddling in the politics of another.

which is why i is gonna vote for hittlery! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 10:47:50 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 27, 2016, 10:27:41 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 27, 2016, 10:06:56 AM
I took most of that day off an' only came back to be a thorn in your side. :evilgrin0002:

No thorn in my side.

But you never answered my question. If Trump loses the election and all his legal maneuvers to change the result are not successful, do you advocate armed insurrection against the government of the United States in order to install Trump as President?

you really are a nasty bugger an' I did answer. Trump may file lawsuits but if he fails that is the end of it.

do you have some sort of perception problem which causes you to read other than what was written in plain English?

thankfully on November 8th there will be an avalanche. now going forward I intend to ignore your provocations.

You have a Constitutional right to be ignorant. you got that little bit right, dint ya' pardner.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 27, 2016, 10:49:45 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 27, 2016, 10:20:35 AM

Quote from: yankee on October 27, 2016, 10:01:47 AM
Do you support American meddling in the politics of many countries including Russia?

I don't support any country's meddling in the politics of another.

Is Russia 'meddling' in the US election?
I am certain that Russia has an interest in the politics in the USA just as they do in China and Australia but then that's normal for nations to be interested in the politics of other countries - certainly the US takes a keen, almost certainly overweening interest in the politics of other countries. That's a very different matter to interfering in elections and I rather doubt that Russia has been doing that, although as the US government has said, the US government certainly does interfere in the elections of other countries.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on October 27, 2016, 10:50:56 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 27, 2016, 10:27:41 AM

If Trump loses the election and all his legal maneuvers to change the result are not successful, do you advocate armed insurrection against the government of the United States in order to install Trump as President?

Where has Trump said this? I have only heard this from opponents of Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 10:55:58 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 27, 2016, 10:49:45 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 27, 2016, 10:20:35 AM
Quote from: yankee on October 27, 2016, 10:01:47 AM
Do you support American meddling in the politics of many countries including Russia?

I don't support any country's meddling in the politics of another.

Is Russia 'meddling' in the US election?
I am certain that Russia has an interest in the politics in the USA just as they do in China and Australia but then that's normal for nations to be interested in the politics of other countries - certainly the US takes a keen, almost certainly overweening interest in the politics of other countries. That's a very different matter to interfering in elections and I rather doubt that Russia has been doing that, although as the US government has said, the US government certainly does interfere in the elections of other countries.

Russian is not meddling in our election. this is nothing but a pathetic attempt to deflect away from her many crimes by Hillary Clinton and she told a bold face lie in the debate when she claimed "17 US intelligence agencies have said so". more than likely it was a disgruntled democrat who liked Bernie Sanders who leaked all those emails however it doesn't matter who did it. what matters is clear evidence of her breaking our laws to get the nomination and worse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 10:59:05 AM

Quote from: yankee on October 27, 2016, 10:50:56 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 27, 2016, 10:27:41 AM

If Trump loses the election and all his legal maneuvers to change the result are not successful, do you advocate armed insurrection against the government of the United States in order to install Trump as President?

Where has Trump said this? I have only heard this from opponents of Trump.

exactly. "black lives matters" have said they will riot, loot and even shoot people, and they were paid for by Soros and Clinton. makes me wonder who this "shakespear" really reps.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 27, 2016, 11:03:02 AM

Quote from: yankee on October 27, 2016, 10:50:56 AM

Where has Trump said this? I have only heard this from opponents of Trump.

I'm quite sure Trump never has said it.

But many of his "supporters" have seemed to advocate such a strategy. Just trying to determine if our boy "Confederate" was of that ilk.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 27, 2016, 11:07:30 AM

As I recall, Wikileaks, who do not normally give source info, have now said that the source was the Democrat worker who was killed a few months ago for some stuff. The Podesta emails seem to have come from when the idiot lost his phone earlier this year and did not immediately change his access credentials on EVERYTHING.

Seems his email password was pas$wOrd and that he made a habit of sharing his logins with his staff and, presumably, others.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 11:22:50 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 27, 2016, 11:07:30 AM

As I recall, Wikileaks, who do not normally give source info, have now said that the source was the Democrat worker who was killed a few months ago for some stuff. The Podesta emails seem to have come from when the idiot lost his phone earlier this year and did not immediately change his access credentials on EVERYTHING.

Seems his email password was pas$wOrd and that he made a habit of sharing his logins with his staff and, presumably, others.

for sure the source was a disgruntled Democrat. Just watch the video I posted up above about how Hillary treated staff members and Donna Brazile (chairman of the DNC) after the CIC event hosted by Matt Lauer.

the "never Trump" folk can do this sort of thing if Hillary wins, which I find extremely unlikely. momentum in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania etc is going Trumps way.

here G man. you and your "ilk" can do this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/10/27/jason-chaffetz-blows-it/?utm_term=.d1d625a977a9

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 27, 2016, 11:54:53 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 27, 2016, 10:27:41 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 27, 2016, 10:06:56 AM
I took most of that day off an' only came back to be a thorn in your side. :evilgrin0002:

No thorn in my side. You have a Constitutional right to be ignorant.

But you never answered my question. If Trump loses the election and all his legal maneuvers to change the result are not successful, do you advocate armed insurrection against the government of the United States in order to install Trump as President?

It's a loaded statement, along the lines of "Have you stopped beating your wife, yes or no?" The reality is that there is a lot we don't know about how dirty the Clinton/Soros gang is.

For instance, Podesta email # 32358: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32358 which is Tony Podesta to his brother, indicating that Soros could fund a movement in East Timor for Australia to return possible oil-rich areas of coastal waters; why would he be interested?

Is armed insurrection a valid action, when "a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism" seems to have occurred?

Your turn to answer with your views, shakespear...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 27, 2016, 12:49:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 27, 2016, 10:42:04 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 27, 2016, 10:20:35 AM
Quote from: yankee on October 27, 2016, 10:01:47 AM
Do you support American meddling in the politics of many countries including Russia?

I don't support any country's meddling in the politics of another.

which is why i is gonna vote for hittlery! :ROFL:

Not like Tom to dig himself into such an easy hole. :-[

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 27, 2016, 12:50:07 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 27, 2016, 10:55:58 AM

Hillary Clinton and she told a bold face lie in the debate when she claimed "17 US intelligence agencies have said so".

17? I am nowhere near that close trying to count all of them:

NSA
FBI
CIA

Who else is there?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on October 27, 2016, 02:04:57 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 27, 2016, 12:50:07 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 27, 2016, 10:55:58 AM
Hillary Clinton and she told a bold face lie in the debate when she claimed "17 US intelligence agencies have said so".

17? I am nowhere near that close trying to count all of them:

NSA
FBI
CIA

Who else is there?

some are below:

Twenty-Fifth Air Force

Intelligence and Security Command

Central Intelligence Agency

Coast Guard Intelligence

Defense Intelligence Agency

Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence

Office of Intelligence and Analysis

Bureau of Intelligence and Research

Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence

Office of National Security Intelligence

Intelligence Branch

Marine Corps Intelligence Activity

National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency

National Reconnaissance Office

National Security Agency/Central Security Service

Office of Naval Intelligence

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 03:20:44 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 27, 2016, 11:54:53 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 27, 2016, 10:27:41 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 27, 2016, 10:06:56 AM
I took most of that day off an' only came back to be a thorn in your side. :evilgrin0002:

No thorn in my side. You have a Constitutional right to be ignorant.

But you never answered my question. If Trump loses the election and all his legal maneuvers to change the result are not successful, do you advocate armed insurrection against the government of the United States in order to install Trump as President?

It's a loaded statement, along the lines of "Have you stopped beating your wife, yes or no?" The reality is that there is a lot we don't know about how dirty the Clinton/Soros gang is.

For instance, Podesta email # 32358: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32358 which is Tony Podesta to his brother, indicating that Soros could fund a movement in East Timor for Australia to return possible oil-rich areas of coastal waters; why would he be interested?

Is armed insurrection a valid action, when "a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism" seems to have occurred?

Your turn to answer with your views, shakespear...

careful there. mr. G man might turn you in for reading wiki leaks which supposedly is illegal except of course when they was revealing Afghanistan war policy and then it was okay. :drunk:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 03:24:09 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 27, 2016, 12:50:07 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 27, 2016, 10:55:58 AM
Hillary Clinton and she told a bold face lie in the debate when she claimed "17 US intelligence agencies have said so".

17? I am nowhere near that close trying to count all of them:

NSA
FBI
CIA

Who else is there?

the only one I'm aware of is that Clapper fool who lied under oath to Congress. bunch of crooks for the most part testilying to Congress in effort to deceive the American public.

(what I liked about Snowden the movie is they interspersed what he was doing with real clips of testimony of Clapper and others as well as "President" Hussein O. makin' a fool of himself)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 03:52:32 PM

Russian President Putin dismisses claims of Russian interference in the us election

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/putin-speaks-out-on-claims-of-russia-interfering-in-us-election/ar-AAjtznb?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 27, 2016, 03:53:13 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 27, 2016, 12:49:03 PM

Not like Tom to dig himself into such an easy hole.

Jim wouldn't understand why a vote for Clinton and opposing interventionalism are not necessarily contradictory.
You've been around long enough to understand the futility of discussions with hopeless cases; you waste a lot of words that they are incapable of processing and, in the end, their mulish opinions remain intact.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 07:13:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2016, 08:55:48 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 08:05:05 AM
Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: Manny on October 23, 2016, 05:06:23 PM
Are you a Hillary supporter, Tom? Might you tell the good people how she will help the US and help world peace?

My baseline criteria for a candidate:
1) more intelligent than I am,
2) more knowledgeable than I am,
3) more politically savvy than I am and
4) more mentally stable than I am.

If more than one candidate clears those hurdles, then I use issues for a tie-breaker. This election was easy because only Hillary ticked the four boxes. I'm not too keen about a massive influx of immigrants from the Middle-East but I'm less keen about a deranged bugger with the launch codes.

I understand that Trump is more intelligent, knowledgeable, politically savvy and mentally stable than some of our members but that reflects on their failings, not on Trump's merits.

Let's take a moment and examine the inherent contradictions of your statements here. You readily admit that you're "not too keen about a massive influx of immigrants from the Middle East", yet you claim to want somebody who is

1) More intelligent
2) More knowledgeable

than yourself. Yet any knowledgeable and intelligent person knows that out of only 100,000 immigrants from the middle east, and in particular from Syria, there is a very high probability of implanted ISIS terrorists, or persons who are easily influenced into becoming ISIS recruits. If out of 100,000 immigrants only 0.5 percent were already implants or on their way to becoming radicalized, that's 500 jihadi's who you've now paid to have housed, fed, clothed and to have their medical needs attended to. which brings us back to

4) More mentally stable

What kind of rational, intelligent, knowledgeable and sane person would knowingly import hundreds of thousands of immigrants who are antithetical to Western civilization and democracy into America?

A person who is

1) Intelligent
2) Knowledgeable
and
4) Mentally stable

absolutely would not! And a person who has those qualities, would absolutely not vote for any politician who promises to import a "massive influx of immigrants from the Middle East".

Now let's look at her temperament. I suggest you actually do a bit of research and educate yourself about that. In the video I posted above the plan for the Matt Lauer interview event was that Secretary Clinton would receive all questions in advance for her prep. When it turned out she did not, well let's just say she threw an epic temper tantrum.

Now let's look at her relationship with Vladimir Putin and the Russians. If she was

1) Intelligent
2) Knowledgeable

one would think that she could have done a proper translation on her "reset" button. That did not happen. Now fast forward to current events in Syria. She has called for a "no fly zone" in Syria, a country which the United States has not been invited to by the President of Syria. We are there, against International Law, telling the Russians and Syria who are there properly, that WE (according to Clinton) have a right to impose a "no fly zone". Is this

Intelligent
Knowledgeable and most importantly the actions of a
Mentally stable

person? Most rational, sane, intelligent persons who are mentally stable and have examined the word and actions of Putin compared to the schizophrenic actions of Secretary Clinton, would advise against a "no fly zone" in Syria.

Then we have Mr. Trump, a pragmatic man who believes we should do our best to get along with Russia.

Your words are contradictory and your logic does not follow. Go ahead and vote for Clinton like the other sheep.

notice mr. copy and paste the latest bogus poll did not respond to this examination of his lack of mental clarity. meanwhile in Calais Islamic "immigrants" have burned their own camps.

hey tomt buddy, why don't you enlighten all of us why you believe it's okay to vote for the woman who you admit knowing is an interventionist. for the sake of the "intelligent" ones (like yourself of course) why not lay it all out.

the simple fact is that I destroyed your logic if you wish to call it that. now for the sake of the others (not lil' old me of course, i jus is too damn stupid) who might wonder how your vote is so opposite of what you claim is yer values, go ahead good buddy, explain it for the others....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 07:20:46 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 27, 2016, 03:53:13 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 27, 2016, 12:49:03 PM
Not like Tom to dig himself into such an easy hole.

Jim wouldn't understand why a vote for Clinton and opposing interventionalism are not necessarily contradictory.
You've been around long enough to understand the futility of discussions with hopeless cases; you waste a lot of words that they are incapable of processing and, in the end, their mulish opinions remain intact.

simple fact is he dug himself into such a deep hole the only thing he's capable of doing now is deflecting. like Shillary blaming Russia for wiki leaks when in fact good ol Bill got paid 500 large for a speech in Moscow and their foundation got about 145 MILLION dollars for their shenanigans with Russia, but blame Russia and never mind they screwed Bernie big time and there is the likely source of the leak -- a disgruntled former Bernie voter but who cares sheep are stupid.

so in this case this fellow here claims he cannot justify nor carefully explain his silly decision to vote for an interventionist, cause after all somebody might be too "mulish" to get it. hee haw! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 27, 2016, 07:27:56 PM

At least Hillary has been consistent over the years.

Scandals, FBI ‘politicization’ date back to Hillary Clinton’s tenure as first lady

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/27/hillary-clinton-scandals-fbi-politicization-date-b/?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 07:28:57 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 27, 2016, 12:50:07 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 27, 2016, 10:55:58 AM
Hillary Clinton and she told a bold face lie in the debate when she claimed "17 US intelligence agencies have said so".

17? I am nowhere near that close trying to count all of them:

NSA
FBI
CIA

Who else is there?

17 is a bold faced lie. this may help

"former CIA, State Department, and House Intelligence Committee security expert Fred Fleitz notes:

Only two intelligence entities – the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) – have weighed in on this issue, not 17 intelligence agencies [as Hillary Clinton had claimed]. And what they said was ambiguous about Russian involvement. An unclassified October 7, 2016 joint DNI-DHS statement on this issue said the hacks

“. . . are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow — the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europa and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.”

Saying we think the hacks “are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts” is far short of saying we have evidence that Russia has been responsible for the hacks. Maybe high-level officials would have authorized them if Russian hackers were responsible, but the DNI and DHS statement did NOT say there was evidence Russia was responsible.
Indeed, the NSA executive who created the agency’s mass surveillance program for digital information, who served as the senior technical director within the agency, who managed six thousand NSA employees, the 36-year"

www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-24/

(link was corrupted so just put "contrarian op ed piece 17 us agencies blame russia" into your search browser)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 07:41:36 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 27, 2016, 07:27:56 PM

At least Hillary has been consistent over the years.

Scandals, FBI ‘politicization’ date back to Hillary Clinton’s tenure as first lady

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/27/hillary-clinton-scandals-fbi-politicization-date-b/?

if she does "win" she will likely face an immediate problem with the House (like g. bush sr) and she will likely be a 1 term president (like g. bush sr)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 11:05:59 PM

polls schmolls.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/27/exclusive-statistical-tie-latest-breitbartgravis-poll-shows-donald-trump-closes-gap-less-two-weeks-left/

rally Springfield, Ohio

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 27, 2016, 11:43:58 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 27, 2016, 11:03:02 AM

Quote from: yankee on October 27, 2016, 10:50:56 AM
Where has Trump said this? I have only heard this from opponents of Trump.

I'm quite sure Trump never has said it.

You really have some nerve. that's right, Trump has never said it. but we now know through wiki leaks that Hillary and Podesta hoped to capitalize on her plan to Balkanize the USA. we know from project Veritas that Hillary actually paid rioters to commit violence and stop Trumps rally in Chicago yet the "media" reported that Trumps supporters were violent, when in fact it was not trump supporters, it was Hillary and Soros paying people to commit violence, in an attempt to make Trump look bad.

I'm still waiting for you to denounce the violence committed by Hillary "supporters" and paid for by her and Soros.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 28, 2016, 10:44:48 AM

Trump continues to gain most likely to pass Clinton next week.

Clinton lead shrinks, even as nearly 6 in 10 expect her to win, Post-ABC tracking poll finds

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/28/clinton-lead-shrinks-even-as-nearly-6-in-10-expect-her-to-win-post-abc-tracking-poll-finds/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2016, 11:47:51 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 28, 2016, 10:44:48 AM

Trump continues to gain most likely to pass Clinton next week.

Clinton lead shrinks, even as nearly 6 in 10 expect her to win, Post-ABC tracking poll finds

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/28/clinton-lead-shrinks-even-as-nearly-6-in-10-expect-her-to-win-post-abc-tracking-poll-finds/

you know she is in real bad shape when even a "main stream media" source admits that she is losing ground. so many Trump supporters simply have not been counted in these polls...I am looking forward to November 8th. :-*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2016, 12:13:07 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 06:05:51 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 23, 2016, 05:06:23 PM
Are you a Hillary supporter, Tom? Might you tell the good people how she will help the US and help world peace?

My baseline criteria for a candidate:
1) more intelligent than I am,
2) more knowledgeable than I am,
3) more politically savvy than I am and
4) more mentally stable than I am.

If more than one candidate clears those hurdles, then I use issues for a tie-breaker. This election was easy because only Hillary ticked the four boxes. I'm not too keen about a massive influx of immigrants from the Middle-East but I'm less keen about a deranged bugger with the launch codes.

You did not or could not answer any of the questions I raised about Hillary and excessive immigrants from Syria and elsewhere yet I really just noticed this humdinger.

Trump has no history of drug or alcohol dependence but Hillary does. She was known to be an alleged cocaine addict and recently she's been known to be an alcoholic. Talk about a "deranged bugger" having access to nuclear launch codes. On top of her already well known animosity towards Russia. Not the type of person any sane voter would want in the white house.

http://www.truthandaction.org/clinton-mistress-bill-encouraged-hillarys-coke-habit-make-bearable/

more about her alleged cocaine addiction in relation to her other health issues

http://www.citizensgroup.us/hillary-clintons-alleged-cocaine-addiction/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 28, 2016, 12:22:16 PM

^

Looks as if the investigation against her is being re-opened...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37805525

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2016, 12:25:29 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 28, 2016, 12:22:16 PM

^

Looks as if the investigation against her is being re-opened...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37805525

WTF? Comey is trying to cover his ass because he's deeply worried Trump will win. It is well known that most normal FBI agents were livid that she was not indicted. Super legal star Trey Gowdy refuses to let go of this and has made a fool of Comey in Congressional hearings.

bribery?

http://conservativetribune.com/hillary-fbi-let-off-hook/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2016, 12:36:23 PM

Meanwhile last night Trump's VP candidate Mike Pence's airplane skidded off the runway. Thankfully nobody was hurt!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/politics/plane-carrying-pence-skids-off-runway/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2016, 01:07:23 PM

the latest wiki leaks talk about how Bill Clinton profited to the tune of about 50 Million dollars by abusing their "foundation" charity. this is the real reason Shillary deleted 30,000 emails.

Washington (AFP) - A hacked memo released by WikiLeaks has shed light on how Bill Clinton profited -- to the tune of tens of millions of dollars -- from work channeled to him by an aide who also worked for the family's charitable foundation.

In the 2011 memo, Clinton aide Douglas Band said he personally provided the former president with more than 50 million dollars in "for profit" activities while he was leader of the foundation.

Band detailed his own moneymaking efforts both on behalf of Clinton personally, and of the foundation, in a network of activity he called "Bill Clinton Inc."

The latest disclosures have added to a drip-drip of WikiLeaks revelations plaguing Hillary Clinton in the final stretch of her run for the White House as the Democratic nominee.

They come from a trove of email stolen from the account of John Podesta, who played a leading role in the foundation before becoming Clinton's campaign chairman.

Podesta has refused to authenticate the emails, which US intelligence believes were stolen by Russian hackers to disrupt the US elections. But neither he nor the Clinton campaign has challenged their authenticity.

They show the foundation had become a source of tension between aides to Bill Clinton and his daughter Chelsea, who accused them of taking "significant sums of money from my parents personally" and hustling clients for their own business at foundation events.

Band's memo was sent in response to complaints by Chelsea Clinton.

In it, Band defends his use of his private consultancy Teneo to raise funds for the foundation, saying it brought in large corporate donations from Coca-Cola, Dow Chemical, and Swiss bank UBS among others.

"Independent of our fundraising and decision-making activities on behalf of the Foundation, we have dedicated ourselves to helping the President secure and engage in for-profit activities -- including speeches, books, and advisory service engagements," said.

"In support of the President's for-profit activity, we also have solicited and obtained, as appropriate, in-kind services for the President and his family -- for personal travel, hospitality, vacation and the like."

He said he had received no fees or percentages of "the more than $50 million in for-profit activity we have personally helped to secure for President Clinton to date or the $66 dollars in future contracts, should he choose to continue with those engagements."

- Campaign aides worried -

The foundation, with its big foreign donors like Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, has been a prime target of Republican nominee Donald Trump.

Republicans have accused Clinton of giving big donors favored access when she was secretary of state from 2009 to 2013, but no evidence of conflicts of interest has emerged in the emails.

Clinton campaign aides were worried, however, that the foundation's activities could present a problem for the former secretary of state as she ran for president.

In January 2015, campaign manager Robby Mook asked whether Clinton would take part in a foundation-sponsored conference in Morocco several months later, as she was launching her campaign.

"This was HRC's idea, our office approached the Moroccans and they 100 percent believe they are doing this at her request. The King has personally committed approx $12 million both for the endowment and to support the meeting," Clinton aide Huma Abedin wrote back.

"It will break a lot of china to back out now when we had so many opportunities to do it in the past few months," Abedin said, adding: "She created this mess and she knows it."

In the end, only Bill Clinton and daughter Chelsea attended the conference.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 28, 2016, 01:15:12 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-to-conduct-new-investigation-of-emails-from-clintons-private-server/2016/10/28/0b1e9468-9d31-11e6-9980-50913d68eacb_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar&tid=a_breakingnews

It is from the Washington Post about Comey of the FBI reopening the case against Clinton. I can't read it it because exceed my WaPo limit of articles this month. Perhaps someone can give me a summery?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 28, 2016, 01:21:31 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 28, 2016, 01:07:23 PM

"It will break a lot of china to back out now when we had so many opportunities to do it in the past few months," Abedin said, adding: "She created this mess and she knows it."

That is the "bad judgement" her aids have mentioned about her in Wikileaks. Some people think Hillary wants to make messes so she can show she is not held accountable to them. That she thinks she is above the law and wants everyone to know it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 28, 2016, 01:33:18 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 27, 2016, 11:43:58 PM

I'm still waiting for you to denounce the violence committed by Hillary "supporters" and paid for by her and Soros.

I denounce all violence at legal public gatherings.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 28, 2016, 01:36:20 PM

Quote from: Maxx on October 28, 2016, 01:15:12 PM

It is from the Washington Post about Comey of the FBI reopening the case against Clinton. I can't read it it because exceed my WaPo limit of articles this month. Perhaps someone can give me a summery?

Apparently they found something while conducting the criminal investigation of Anthony Weiner. No indication if it has anything actually to do with the Clinton Campaign but it MAY be pertinent.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 28, 2016, 01:54:46 PM

I'll tell you one thing. If the primates that we came from had known that someday politicians would come out of the gene pool, they'd have stayed up in the trees and written evolution off as a bad idea! Hell, I always thought the opposable thumb was... overrated!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2016, 02:46:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 28, 2016, 01:33:18 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 27, 2016, 11:43:58 PM
I'm still waiting for you to denounce the violence committed by Hillary "supporters" and paid for by her and Soros.

I denounce all violence at legal public gatherings.

Good. Us "Trumpers" are beating Shillary fair and square. let's just see how many voter machines she can try to get to switch the vote on, etc.

provided the usual fraud from Dummocraps is the normal amount she is finished as the Trump vote is going to be overwhelming.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 28, 2016, 04:13:54 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 28, 2016, 01:36:20 PM

Quote from: Maxx on October 28, 2016, 01:15:12 PM
It is from the Washington Post about Comey of the FBI reopening the case against Clinton. I can't read it it because exceed my WaPo limit of articles this month. Perhaps someone can give me a summery?

Apparently they found something while conducting the criminal investigation of Anthony Weiner. No indication if it has anything actually to do with the Clinton Campaign but it MAY be pertinent.

Thank you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2016, 07:54:37 PM

Quote from: Maxx on October 28, 2016, 04:13:54 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 28, 2016, 01:36:20 PM
Quote from: Maxx on October 28, 2016, 01:15:12 PM
It is from the Washington Post about Comey of the FBI reopening the case against Clinton. I can't read it it because exceed my WaPo limit of articles this month. Perhaps someone can give me a summery?

Apparently they found something while conducting the criminal investigation of Anthony Weiner. No indication if it has anything actually to do with the Clinton Campaign but it MAY be pertinent.

Thank you.

http://observer.com/2016/10/carlos-danger-reopens-emailgate-and-team-clinton-trembles/

You really can't make this stuff up! Carlos Danger aka Anthony Weiner was involved in a "sexting scandal". he is the husband of Clinton aide Huma A.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2016, 08:10:21 PM

large Trump rally in Iowa

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 28, 2016, 09:04:04 PM

DOJ Complaint Filed Against FBI Director James Comey For Interfering In Presidential Election

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/28/doj-complaint-filed-fbi-director-james-comey-interfering-presidential-election.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on October 28, 2016, 10:39:59 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 23, 2016, 09:48:49 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on October 23, 2016, 09:37:27 PM
Any Americans concerned about Trump wanting to dismantle the NAFTA? Move away from renewables and get back on coal? Pull out of the TPP?
Or are Y'all thinking that trashing a trade agreement with your largest trading partner is a grand idea?

Who are you? most blue collar Americans despise NAFTA and whatever Trump does with it will be a better outcome long term. I've read the English people feel the same way about Brexit -- a long term better position for them, where they regain sovereignty of their country.

Trump has not said to "move away from renewable's" what he's said is to utilize all sources of energy. Currently solar for example is very expensive to set-up and does not have a quick ROI.

If you're going to ask questions perhaps don't spin, take things out of context and learn what you're talking about first.

I'm really Bart Simpson.
I won't bother with the rest of your post, but if I got Trump's word wrong on renewables I'm sure there's a video out where he conderdicts himself.

Anyway you have 11 days to rant and show your blind devotion to the great one.
Will you be around in the weeks following?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on October 28, 2016, 10:55:05 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2016, 12:45:41 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on October 23, 2016, 09:37:27 PM
Any Americans concerned about Trump wanting to dismantle the NAFTA? Move away from renewables and get back on coal? Pull out of the TPP?
Or are Y'all thinking that trashing a trade agreement with your largest trading partner is a grand idea?
If only TPP was just a trading agreement..... oh well, I can keep dreaming of a perfect world.

TPP is so much more, it puts the power of the law with coorperations shafting the little people like you, me and everyone else without billions to spend.

What are your thoughts on CETA? Europe will be able to export more goods cheaper to Canada.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 29, 2016, 01:35:18 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on October 28, 2016, 10:55:05 PM

What are your thoughts on CETA? Europe will be able to export more goods cheaper to Canada.

In essence, CETA is a good idea, however like other trade agreements it goes much, much too far so I can't endorse it.

Especially the closed/hidden negotiations, the extraordinary powers for companies to block local laws of EU members and other items make this overall a horror.

Hope they will have better luck next time and actually listen to the people and not the corp.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 29, 2016, 07:32:50 AM

Mr. James Comey, Director

Federal Bureau of Investigation

J. Edgar Hoover Building

935 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W

Washington, D.C. 20535-0001

Sir,

I am writing regarding your public statement in July, 2016 informing the American people that the FBI investigation of Hillary Clinton was being closed without referring it to a Federal Grand Jury or the Attorney General of the U. S. for a decision whether or not to indict her. Strangely, you eloquently laid out enough of the evidence deduced from the investigation to strongly indicate there was abundant evidence uncovered during the investigation and interview of her to not only indict but to convict her in Federal Court. However, you personally re-worded and soft-pedaled the actions she took as Secretary of State describing her actions as "extremely careless” in using a personal email and un-secured server for her communications while Secretary of State. You rewrote the statute, which is not your job.

As a retired Special Agent of the FBI, I have standing to write this letter. My thirty years in law enforcement, including 22 years as a Special Agent with the FBI have given me the knowledge, expertise and experience to question and confront you for your perplexing actions, which (as you well know) were outside the normal standard operating procedure of the FBI and Federal judicial procedures. Some of the finest people in the world proudly carry the credentials of FBI Agent and you have soiled them and not allowed them to speak. But I will not be silent.

Sorry, but NO SIR, MS Clinton was not merely careless or extremely careless. She was not even negligent or grossly negligent (as the statute requires). Hillary Clinton was knowingly purposeful in her decisions and actions to set up a server under her exclusive control and possession in order to control what information was available to the American public and Congress regarding her actions as Secretary of State. Furthermore, she took those government owned communications into her personal possession after leaving her position and knowingly and willingly attempted to destroy them so her nefarious actions could never be known or used as evidence of her corrupt moral character against her.

Sir, what possessed you? Did you cave in to political pressure to unilaterally come to this decision? I fear that is the case, and Rule of Law be damned. I am embarrassed for and ashamed of you. You have set a precedent that can never be rectified… and certainly not justified. Shame on you, Sir. You ought to resign right now in disgrace for what you have done to tarnish the reputation of the finest Law Enforcement Agency in the world… for entirely political reasons.

Normally, an investigation will be assigned to an agent, or team of agents with one being the Case agent, or the lead investigator. When the investigation is complete, an investigative report will be presented to the U.S. Attorney for the Federal District involved. It would be the U.S. Attorney who decides whether to decline prosecution for that investigation... NOT the FBI agent. But in the Clinton investigation, YOU (unilaterally) decided not to forward the investigation to the U.S. Attorney or the Attorney General of the U.S., but instead personally made the decision not to prosecute her or even provide the information to a Federal Grand Jury. You were wrong to take this upon yourself.

Sir, in order to indict a subject, only a preponderance of evidence, or 51% is needed for probable cause to exist. You did not think even that level of probability existed? Who do you think you are fooling? What judicial proceeding did you think you were following?

Throughout my years with the FBI, I (along with my fellow agents) took great pride in conducting each investigation in an unbiased manner regardless of the subject’s position or standing in the community.

All were treated equally under the law. But you, Sir, decided to allow this corrupt, evil and nasty human being to go free and unchallenged for her treasonous actions (yes, treasonous, in my opinion) which threatened the security of this nation. Furthermore, you stopped short of investigating the Clinton Foundation as a RICO case (Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organization. This is a RICO case if

there ever were one. Even an untrained person can tell from the communications which were recovered that Hillary Clinton spent more time working for the Clinton Foundation while Secretary of State than on State Business. It may be argued that Hillary did not do any State business UNLESS the Clinton Foundation benefitted. You decided to just let this uncomfortable truth alone without addressing it.

I will conclude with this: Following my retirement from the FBI, I volunteered for a 12 month tour of duty in Afghanistan as a Law Enforcement Professional, embedded with U.S. forces as a subject matter expert in counter-terrorism investigations. For most of that year I operated “outside the wire” patrolling with the troops, interviewing witnesses to IED incidents and gathering evidence on the bad guys. The results of my work would then be reported through secure channels to the Commanding Officer. All reports and communications were required to be transmitted via secure and encrypted devices. Occasionally my remote location in the mountains of Afghanistan made transmission impossible and I would have to fly back to Bagram Air Base in order to securely report to the Commander of the battle space. It would have been convenient if I could have just called the Commander on my personal cell phone or written him an email on my personal laptop. But, had I done so I would have been reporting classified information via an unsecured device and it could have been compromised. These were, relative to Secretary of State communications, low level classifications of Secret. Had I ever sent even one in such a manner I would have been prosecuted and sent to Federal Prison for 20 years or so. That is how serious this violation is considered.

Now, because of you, Hillary Clinton is allowed to continue her RICO activities and is running for President of the United States, the most powerful position in the world. You have trampled on the Rule of Law and destroyed the trust of the American people in the FBI and in unbiased enforcement of the law. How do you sleep at night? It is time for you to go and work for the Clinton Foundation.

Sincerely,

Hugh W. Galyean

(FBI Agent, Retired)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 29, 2016, 08:07:50 AM

The 12 points lead Hillary held a week ago is now just 2 points. The electoral college has also opened up for Trump.
Personally I think Trump always held the advantage, only now the media is trying to save face when Trump wins with an overwhelming majority.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-abc-wapo-poll-230488

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 29, 2016, 08:31:22 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 29, 2016, 08:07:50 AM

The 12 points lead Hillary held a week ago is now just 2 points. The electoral college has also opened up for Trump.
Personally I think Trump always held the advantage, only now the media is trying to save face when Trump wins with an overwhelming majority.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-abc-wapo-poll-230488

I agree.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 29, 2016, 08:38:00 AM

I did what Andrew calls a sanity check. I drove through the streets of the city I live in in Western (liberal/Democratic) Wisconsin counting Hillary and Trump signs. Hillary was more than double Trumps. But I noticed something. In the clusters of yard signs advertising the Democrats running for office more than half of them did not have a sign out for Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 29, 2016, 08:41:36 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 29, 2016, 08:07:50 AM

The 12 points lead Hillary held a week ago is now just 2 points. The electoral college has also opened up for Trump.
Personally I think Trump always held the advantage, only now the media is trying to save face when Trump wins with an overwhelming majority.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-abc-wapo-poll-230488

exactly. I've been unwavering in my belief that Trump will win and win big. the media types are just so out of tune with the average American that they just don't get it. the choice is stark:

A Supreme court that would gut our Constitution.
Open borders that would continue the flow of drugs poisoning our children and nation as a whole.
Continued Balkanization of our nation. the specialty of Demmocraps is "divide and conquer".
Continue shipping jobs and factories overseas and to mexico. A country which cannot build is not a country.
Continued destruction of the middle class thus resulting in their final goal -- a World wide "Soviet" style government.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 29, 2016, 08:54:31 AM

Quote from: Maxx on October 29, 2016, 07:32:50 AM

Mr. James Comey, Director

Federal Bureau of Investigation

J. Edgar Hoover Building

935 Pennsylvania Avenue N.W

Washington, D.C. 20535-0001

..........Occasionally my remote location in the mountains of Afghanistan made transmission impossible and I would have to fly back to Bagram Air Base in order to securely report to the Commander of the battle space. It would have been convenient if I could have just called the Commander on my personal cell phone or written him an email on my personal laptop. But, had I done so I would have been reporting classified information via an unsecured device and it could have been compromised. These were, relative to Secretary of State communications, low level classifications of Secret. Had I ever sent even one in such a manner I would have been prosecuted and sent to Federal Prison for 20 years or so. That is how serious this violation is considered.

Now, because of you, Hillary Clinton is allowed to continue her RICO activities and is running for President of the United States, the most powerful position in the world. You have trampled on the Rule of Law and destroyed the trust of the American people in the FBI and in unbiased enforcement of the law. How do you sleep at night? It is time for you to go and work for the Clinton Foundation.

Sincerely,

Hugh W. Galyean

(FBI Agent, Retired)

I highlighted what I consider the most important portion

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 29, 2016, 09:00:06 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on October 28, 2016, 10:39:59 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 23, 2016, 09:48:49 PM
Quote from: Donhollio on October 23, 2016, 09:37:27 PM
Any Americans concerned about Trump wanting to dismantle the NAFTA? Move away from renewables and get back on coal? Pull out of the TPP?
Or are Y'all thinking that trashing a trade agreement with your largest trading partner is a grand idea?

Who are you? most blue collar Americans despise NAFTA and whatever Trump does with it will be a better outcome long term. I've read the English people feel the same way about Brexit -- a long term better position for them, where they regain sovereignty of their country.

Trump has not said to "move away from renewable's" what he's said is to utilize all sources of energy. Currently solar for example is very expensive to set-up and does not have a quick ROI.

If you're going to ask questions perhaps don't spin, take things out of context and learn what you're talking about first.
I'm really Bart Simpson.
I won't bother with the rest of your post, but if I got Trump's word wrong on renewables I'm sure there's a video out where he conderdicts himself.

Anyway you have 11 days to rant and show your blind devotion to the great one.
Will you be around in the weeks following?

the better question is if you will be around "in the weeks following" when your preferred candidate gets indicted for her many illegal actions.

I suggest you stick to your little kiosk advices section.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 29, 2016, 12:15:01 PM

Meanwhile our attorney general Lynch pleaded the 5th rather than testify about the Iran ransom deal. And some people want even more of this shameful behavior out of our public officials. :sick0012:

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/attorney-general-lynch-pleads-fifth-secret-iran-ransom-payments/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 29, 2016, 12:33:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 28, 2016, 01:33:18 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 27, 2016, 11:43:58 PM
I'm still waiting for you to denounce the violence committed by Hillary "supporters" and paid for by her and Soros.

I denounce all violence at legal public gatherings.

This part is good however do you support a Trump lawsuit against the DNC for their many illegal activities? Do you support formal complaints and legal action against the FEC?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-26/project-veritas-4-creamer-admits-ive-known-president-he-was-community-organizer-chic

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 29, 2016, 01:49:37 PM

photo of a Clinton rally today. Pretty pathetic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 29, 2016, 02:20:29 PM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/14563372_1721991588123366_6539858671299666282_n_zpsdfmty7zd.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 29, 2016, 02:24:19 PM

:ROFL: (thanks)

Large Trump rally in Golden, Colorado. the Fire Marshall kept thousands outside and thousands in an adjacent room.

I think it is safe to say that contrary to media lies, Colorado is in play for Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 29, 2016, 03:24:18 PM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/CvnbBv0VYAEHWTU_zps7nsamtmn.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 29, 2016, 03:28:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 29, 2016, 12:33:05 PM

This part is good however do you support a Trump lawsuit against the DNC for their many illegal activities? Do you support formal complaints and legal action against the FEC?

I support any persons right to file a well grounded lawsuit so long as it is not an abuse of the legal system.

I think Trump has a history of abusing the civil suit process.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 29, 2016, 03:59:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 29, 2016, 03:28:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 29, 2016, 12:33:05 PM
This part is good however do you support a Trump lawsuit against the DNC for their many illegal activities? Do you support formal complaints and legal action against the FEC?

I support any persons right to file a well grounded lawsuit so long as it is not an abuse of the legal system.

I think Trump has a history of abusing the civil suit process.

I don't care what his past civil suit history is. The Clintons have a history of abusing the American taxpayer, abusing women, abusing the women who fought back against Bill, and keeping morticians in business when their former friends and political partners know too much.

Robert Creamer and Shillary need to be sued and Robert Creamer and the Fogel character as exposed by project Veritas need to be subpoena'd to learn everything they know.

Sending violent protesters to battle with Trump supporters and battle with the Police until they're bruised and bloody is a felony and all involved should be in prison. Hillary and company are dirty and the American people deserve far better.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 29, 2016, 04:06:46 PM

Trump is saying today the FBI and the DoJ have re-opened their investigation into the #ClintonCreature. Our media isnt covering it that I noticed.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMHuoATjcZe/?hl=en

#draintheswamp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 29, 2016, 04:11:37 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 29, 2016, 04:06:46 PM

Trump is saying today the FBI and the DoJ have re-opened their investigation into the #ClintonCreature. Our media isnt covering it that I noticed.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMHuoATjcZe/?hl=en

#draintheswamp

Actually the other fellow posted about this in the other section. If memory serves it was an English source.

of course our "media" being in her pocket is trying to spin it for her, but it's not working.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 29, 2016, 04:34:00 PM

The first photo I am going to post is how Hillary took it upon finding out that the FBI has reopened the investigation into her emails. Huma Abedin is her senior assistant on the left. Apparently Huma placed some top level Secret emails onto the laptop which she shared with her husband disgraced politician Anthony Weiner. For our English friends Anthony Weiner previously had to resign due to some sexting scandal where he called himself "Carlos Danger" and was trying to attract single women even though being married to Huma. Now it turns out he continued his sleazy activities but went lower and was emailing a 15 year old girl. The FBI was investigating that (a different group than the group controlled by corrupt Comey and bribed secondary Director of FBI) laptop for messages to a 15 year old girl and found classified emails put there by Huma Abedin.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/30/us/politics/huma-abedin-anthony-weiner-clinton.html?_r=0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 29, 2016, 10:57:39 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 29, 2016, 04:06:46 PM

Our media isnt covering it that I noticed.

That could be because it isn't happening. Trump's "October surprise" blew up in Comey and Trump's faces.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 30, 2016, 01:06:47 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 29, 2016, 10:57:39 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 29, 2016, 04:06:46 PM
Our media isnt covering it that I noticed.

That could be because it isn't happening. Trump's "October surprise" blew up in Comey and Trump's faces.

Moby's rag covered it:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/28/fbi-reopens-hillary-clinton-emails-investigation

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/28/hillary-clinton-emails-fbi-election-voters

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 01:00:30 AM

It seems that Obama and Biden have now cancelled all public appearances where they were due to support Clinton.

As we already know, Obama lied about his knowledge of Clinton's abuse of emails but that has been glossed over. Whatever is in the new stuff is either a bridge too far for TPTB or implicates the president as well.

It seems that the US mass media is also, at the least, hedging in their coverage of the matter.

Passing out this information on Friday, at this stage in the election, means that USAians will be getting reprogramming over the weekend from their media as it frenzies about the election. Unlike 'normally' Friday release did not serve to Bury it in a slow weekend news cycle. Right now USAian news media are on weekend overtime and will be until the election is over.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 30, 2016, 03:30:16 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 29, 2016, 04:06:46 PM

Trump is saying today the FBI and the DoJ have re-opened their investigation into the #ClintonCreature. Our media isnt covering it that I noticed.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMHuoATjcZe/?hl=en

#draintheswamp

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37813607 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37813607)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/28/fbi-probe-newly-discovered-hillary-clinton-emails-and-reopen-inv/ (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/28/fbi-probe-newly-discovered-hillary-clinton-emails-and-reopen-inv/)

The FBI announcement was headline news - hard to miss

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 30, 2016, 08:00:25 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 29, 2016, 08:07:50 AM

The 12 points lead Hillary held a week ago is now just 2 points. The electoral college has also opened up for Trump.
Personally I think Trump always held the advantage, only now the media is trying to save face when Trump wins with an overwhelming majority.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-abc-wapo-poll-230488

Mr. I-don't believe-in-polls,

Clinton did not hold a 12-point lead a week ago and did not hold a 2-point lead as of the date of the article. It just compared a pair of statistical fliers and is complete BS. Clinton actually led by 5.3 on 22 October and and 3.8 on 29 October in the 4-way polling average. The issue is rather how you will save face if Clinton wins by an overwhelming majority.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 30, 2016, 08:07:30 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 01:00:30 AM

It seems that Obama and Biden have now cancelled all public appearances where they were due to support Clinton.

http://www.npr.org/2016/10/29/499639406/obama-ramps-up-appearances-in-final-campaign-sprint

"The president is planning a sort of "tour de swing state." On Tuesday — exactly one week before Election Day — he will head to Ohio to campaign for Clinton at a "Get Out The Early Vote" campaign in Columbus. The next day, he'll be in North Carolina for a similar event in Raleigh. And on Thursday, Obama will travel to Florida to campaign for Clinton in Miami and in Jacksonville. The president will also attend a Clinton event on Friday, though details on that one have not been released."

Next week will tell the tale.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 08:08:24 AM

I see someone is still delusional about Clinton's prospects for winning the election. :laugh:

http://www.investors.com/politics/just-like-that-clinton-lead-shrinks-by-2-as-email-scandal-blows-up-ibdtipp-poll/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 30, 2016, 08:10:06 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 29, 2016, 10:57:39 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 29, 2016, 04:06:46 PM
Our media isnt covering it that I noticed.

That could be because it isn't happening. Trump's "October surprise" blew up in Comey and Trump's faces.

When Hillary was seemingly acquitted by FBI Director Comey earlier this year, the press and Democrats couldn't praise him highly enough for his integrity and trustworthiness.

Now that he seems to have acted once more on his integrity (which personally I don't believe to be the case - he is a rotten scoundrel who is out to save his own hide IMHO), but in a way that damages Hillary, he is a very bad man and not to be trusted.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 30, 2016, 08:11:25 AM

^ That is what passes for a rebuttal in hillbilly country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 30, 2016, 08:15:59 AM

^ This should resolve the issue of Comey being Hillary's bitch once and for all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 08:17:11 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 30, 2016, 08:11:25 AM

^ That is what passes for a rebuttal in hillbilly country.

No, that would be this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 08:19:47 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 30, 2016, 08:00:25 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 29, 2016, 08:07:50 AM
The 12 points lead Hillary held a week ago is now just 2 points. The electoral college has also opened up for Trump.
Personally I think Trump always held the advantage, only now the media is trying to save face when Trump wins with an overwhelming majority.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-abc-wapo-poll-230488

Mr. I-don't believe-in-polls,

sure good buddy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 30, 2016, 08:32:56 AM

Forget the Polls—Many Signs Point to Trump Win

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016/10/forget-the-polls-many-signs-point-to-trump-win/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 30, 2016, 08:40:23 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 30, 2016, 08:11:25 AM

^ That is what passes for a rebuttal in hillbilly country.

With a hill billy confederate I am not sure re-but-tal is where you want to go.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 30, 2016, 08:44:24 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 30, 2016, 08:11:25 AM

^ That is what passes for a rebuttal in hillbilly country.

This what passes for a poll on ABC. :coffeeread:

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 08:45:31 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 01:00:30 AM

It seems that Obama and Biden have now cancelled all public appearances where they were due to support Clinton.

As we already know, Obama lied about his knowledge of Clinton's abuse of emails but that has been glossed over. Whatever is in the new stuff is either a bridge too far for TPTB or implicates the president as well.

It seems that the US mass media is also, at the least, hedging in their coverage of the matter.

Passing out this information on Friday, at this stage in the election, means that USAians will be getting reprogramming over the weekend from their media as it frenzies about the election. Unlike 'normally' Friday release did not serve to Bury it in a slow weekend news cycle. Right now USAian news media are on weekend overtime and will be until the election is over.

I read an article last night which indicated that this scandal implicates far more people than just Hillary. Clearly her reason for putting these emails on a private server was an effort to hide that she was misusing the office of Secretary of State to sell favors to high value donors to the Clinton foundation.

I cannot seem to find that article, which was written by one of the FBI agents involved in the first investigation. He stated that it also did not make Obama look good at all which is likely why Obama ordered Lynch not to prosecute in case the FBI had requested an indictment. This article will have to do for now in case I cannot find the other one.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441573/hillary-clinton-corruption-foundation

While the foundation did perform some charitable work, this camouflaged the fact that contributions were substantially diverted to pay lavish salaries and underwrite luxury travel for Clinton insiders. Contributions skyrocketed to $126 million in 2009, the year Mrs. Clinton arrived at Foggy Bottom. Breathtaking sums were “donated” by high-rollers and foreign governments that had crucial business before the State Department. Along with those staggering donations came a spike in speaking opportunities and fees for Bill Clinton. Of course, disproportionate payments and gifts to a spouse are common ways of bribing public officials — which is why, for example, high-ranking government officeholders must reveal their spouses’ income and other asset information on their financial-disclosure forms.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 30, 2016, 09:01:13 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 30, 2016, 08:44:24 AM

This what passes for a poll on ABC.

The upcoming NBC/Survey Monkey poll is the one to watch because of its massive sample size and minimal lean.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 09:05:26 AM

Quote from: Manny on October 30, 2016, 08:44:24 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 30, 2016, 08:11:25 AM
^ That is what passes for a rebuttal in hillbilly country.

This what passes for a poll on ABC. :coffeeread:

(Attachment Link)

The worm turns! :ROFL:

I'm watching ABC news right now and they're crushing Hillary. Doesn't look good when her most prolific supporter (Always Be pushing Clinton) is looking into this. Of course they're trying to spin it a bit.

Meanwhile a Conservative news source gives a more honest version.

https://gop.com/team-clinton-has-brutal-sunday-morning/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 09:14:26 AM

someone on twitter is saying that her emails reveal this: a pipeline approved by Obama, ignoring ISIS (or using ISIS as an excuse for military action in Syria), etc

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 09:24:45 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 27, 2016, 03:53:13 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 27, 2016, 12:49:03 PM
Not like Tom to dig himself into such an easy hole.

Jim wouldn't understand why a vote for Clinton and opposing interventionalism are not necessarily contradictory.
You've been around long enough to understand the futility of discussions with hopeless cases; you waste a lot of words that they are incapable of processing and, in the end, their mulish opinions remain intact.

We're still waiting for a contradictory answer, Mr. Smarty Pants. :ROFL:

of course Snopes claims this meme is not true, but I think if the shoe fits...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on October 30, 2016, 09:38:03 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 30, 2016, 09:14:26 AM

someone on twitter is saying that her emails reveal this: a pipeline approved by Obama, ignoring ISIS (or using ISIS as an excuse for military action in Syria), etc

At long last someone is seeing the real truth behind all the Sh1t which the US caused in Syria, and WHY?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 30, 2016, 12:20:01 PM

CNN: Huma Abedin Negotiating With FBI Over Emails

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/756029?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1694062_10302016&s=al&dkt_nbr=8jiovpic&section=Headline&keywords=huma-abedin-lawyers-emails&year=2016&month=10&date=30&id=756029&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on October 30, 2016, 12:34:25 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 30, 2016, 08:15:59 AM

^ This should resolve the issue of Comey being Hillary's bitch once and for all.

My guess is he is just another one of the rats leaving the sinking ship. :travel:

Word is that Assange is suppose to be releasing the 33,000 emails that were deleted this week. Maybe there is something there that is making a lot of people nervous?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 30, 2016, 01:51:10 PM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-30%20at%203.44.03%20PM_zpstnusgyxu.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 30, 2016, 01:52:36 PM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-28%20at%206.38.50%20PM_zpsmp22zvzo.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 30, 2016, 01:54:40 PM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-24%20at%201.26.11%20PM_zpsvgnombnu.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 01:58:34 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 01:00:30 AM

It seems that Obama and Biden have now cancelled all public appearances where they were due to support Clinton.

As we already know, Obama lied about his knowledge of Clinton's abuse of emails but that has been glossed over. Whatever is in the new stuff is either a bridge too far for TPTB or implicates the president as well.

http://endingthefed.com/fbi-insider-leaks-all-clinton-foundation-exposed-involves-entire-us-government.html

Let me just say that since this was found on the internet, there is a high probability that the whole thing MAY have been made up by a "conspiracy theory" type of person.

She had SAP level programs on her server, which if made public, would literally cause an uprising and possibly foreign declarations of war.

{NOTE: A Special Access Program is an intelligence program classified above top-secret. They are held on closed servers at secret locations. The only way to get one is if you are specifically read on to a program, have a need to know, then you must physically go to a location and pass through several layers of security to even look at the program. A good example in non-classified terms would be the locations and operations of our intelligence operatives around the globe, or our missile silo locations.}

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 03:09:08 PM

I don't know what the truth is however, a few months ago I was suggesting that the words used and the manner in which his words were delivered suggested that Coney was trying to send a message to the United States. That his choices were highly constrained.

I think that what we are seeing now might be a vindication of that position.

We already know that he faced significant opposition in acting as he did on Friday. The 'leaked' memo was not coincidental.

The choice to come into the open came before the FBI had warrants to examine the contents of the laptop in respect of matters unrelated to Weiner's supposed activities with the kid.

It is my guess that history might reach a different opinion about Comey than that commonly held today.

If one was unable to obtain a prosecution of Clinton and/or her henchpeople due to interference from above then his statement at the time and his actions right now do rather suggest movement down a path toward a strong Plan B. That's making sure that Clinton becomes unelectable.

For sure, the guy's career is now toast. This comes with significant cost to his life and wellbeing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 30, 2016, 04:37:34 PM

Michael Moore clarifies a few points:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/10/27/michael-moore-issues-plea-donald-trump-supporters-kelly-file

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 04:56:00 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 30, 2016, 04:37:34 PM

Michael Moore clarifies a few points:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/10/27/michael-moore-issues-plea-donald-trump-supporters-kelly-file

Oh yeah, every Trump supporter should listen to morbidly obese disgusting libtard filmmaker Michael Moore claim that Shillary has a heart while sell-out Megyn Kelly pretends to care about normal women's issues after selling her soul to support the evil witch who took hundreds of Millions from the Saudi's and other wealthy Arabs who hang women accused of adultery all in an effort to build a pipeline thru Syria damn the women and children injured, displaced or killed by the actions of this evil biatch -- supposedly she's got a "heart" and cares about middle class Americans even though the dumb liberal piece of $hit never built anything in her life except for Trillions of dollars in red ink and body bags for those who knew too much.

What kind of a friggen' moron would even bother to attempt to scold Trump voters with that obese pile of crap and that worthless sell-out who needs to forever be unemployed or mopping floors at CNN? :censored:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on October 30, 2016, 05:11:01 PM

Guys this is much like Watergate. The cover-up is becoming the story more than the emails. It appears the FBI has reached its limit of what it was willing to do to cover up Clinton's on going problems. It appears that the story now is why was so much info was suppressed and the hunt for who suppressed it. If Hillary is elected they are already talking of starting to impeach her on her first day in office. I think she is still ahead but her polls numbers are dropping like a rock.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 30, 2016, 05:24:33 PM

This episode does demonstrate just how careless Hillary and company were, not even knowing this computer holds possible classified emails.
At least Hillary can't blame Russian hackers this time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 30, 2016, 06:21:24 PM

What if Weiner did more than sex-text underage girls? And if Hillary knew about it ... ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 30, 2016, 06:58:37 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 30, 2016, 06:21:24 PM

What if Weiner did more than sex-text underage girls? And if Hillary knew about it ... ?

It would not be Hillary's problem unless she was an accomplice or participated in a cover-up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 07:18:52 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 30, 2016, 06:58:37 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 30, 2016, 06:21:24 PM
What if Weiner did more than sex-text underage girls? And if Hillary knew about it ... ?

It would not be Hillary's problem unless she was an accomplice or participated in a cover-up.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 08:02:00 PM

Speaking of a cover-up the question is how deep does it go and how many high-ranking government officials were involved in it. It's highly probably that Dictator Hussein O. himself was involved in this mess and lied to the American people (oh no, Hussein O. would never lie to the American people!) about his knowledge and involvement.

Hence why the other fellow Andrew stated

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 01:00:30 AM

As we already know, Obama lied about his knowledge of Clinton's abuse of emails but that has been glossed over. Whatever is in the new stuff is either a bridge too far for TPTB or implicates the president as well.

I expect the shizzle to really hit the fan come tomorrow morning as the weekly news cycle really goes into full swing. :evilgrin0002:

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/10/26/barack-obama-receive-clinton-emails-official-wh-blackberry-scandal-fbi-files

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 08:30:57 PM

I just love this story so much I think I will post about it one more time. :chuckle:

Hillary Clinton called DNC chairwoman Donna Brazille a "brain dead Buffalo that just stares at the wall" she then threw a full glass of water at an assistant and screamed at Donna Brazille (who happens to be black) to "get to work and janitor this mess up". Apparently her screaming fit was epic, but someone on this forum thinks that she is "mentally stable".

https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/10/17/hillary-clintons-meltdown-calls-dnc-chair-donna-brazile-brain-dead-buffalo-and-tells-matt-lauer-hes-finished-if-trump-wins-after-rogue-email-question-during-presidential-forum/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 08:38:04 PM

don't get to listen to this guy so much but found this article to be very in depth.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/10/28/fbi_reopens_hillary_email_investigation?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+RushLimbaugh-AllContent+%28The+Rush+Limbaugh+Show+-+All+Content%29

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on October 30, 2016, 08:44:13 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 30, 2016, 08:30:57 PM

I just love this story so much I think I will post about it one more time. :chuckle:

Hillary Clinton called DNC chairwoman Donna Brazille a "brain dead Buffalo that just stares at the wall" she then threw a full glass of water at an assistant and screamed at Donna Brazille (who happens to be black) to "get to work and janitor this mess up". Apparently her screaming fit was epic, but someone on this forum thinks that she is "mentally stable".

https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/10/17/hillary-clintons-meltdown-calls-dnc-chair-donna-brazile-brain-dead-buffalo-and-tells-matt-lauer-hes-finished-if-trump-wins-after-rogue-email-question-during-presidential-forum/

Wow, just read that link. Gotta agree, mentally stable does not come to mind when I see things like that. And people are scared of Trump having control of nuclear weapons? Imagine if she has a temper tantrum! :hidechair:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 08:54:50 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on October 30, 2016, 09:38:03 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 30, 2016, 09:14:26 AM
someone on twitter is saying that her emails reveal this: a pipeline approved by Obama, ignoring ISIS (or using ISIS as an excuse for military action in Syria), etc

At long last someone is seeing the real truth behind all the Sh1t which the US caused in Syria, and WHY?

Because she's a lunatic a warmonger and a soulless heartless insane crazy bi*%#?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 09:29:50 PM

This time they're on it! :)

Meanwhile if you Google "pathological lying" it now pulls up a photo of Hillary Clinton.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2016, 11:14:05 PM

now trending on Twitter: #StickAForkinHer

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 31, 2016, 03:51:22 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 30, 2016, 06:58:37 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 30, 2016, 06:21:24 PM
What if Weiner did more than sex-text underage girls? And if Hillary knew about it ... ?

It would not be Hillary's problem unless she was an accomplice or participated in a cover-up.

Tom, you've got to wake up to what you are supporting. Come on man!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2016, 07:54:44 AM

They finally found that Russian hacker! :ROFL: (turns out it was a jewish-american politician)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2016, 07:56:13 AM

Quote from: Maxx on October 31, 2016, 03:51:22 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 30, 2016, 06:58:37 PM
Quote from: Slumba on October 30, 2016, 06:21:24 PM
What if Weiner did more than sex-text underage girls? And if Hillary knew about it ... ?

It would not be Hillary's problem unless she was an accomplice or participated in a cover-up.

Tom, you've got to wake up to what you are supporting. Come on man!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2016, 08:05:08 AM

"Good Morning America" being the shills that they are for Shillary are phrasing their morning story as "FBI Director Comey under fire". Unbelievable but true. Never mind the treason committed by Hillary and team. Huma Abedin in particular swore under testimony previously that she had turned in all known devices to the FBI. Whoops! And rumor is that some FBI agents refused to destroy a laptop and kept it as material evidence in the previous investigation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 31, 2016, 10:16:22 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Trump jumps to +4

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 31, 2016, 10:17:01 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 30, 2016, 06:58:37 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 30, 2016, 06:21:24 PM
What if Weiner did more than sex-text underage girls? And if Hillary knew about it ... ?

It would not be Hillary's problem unless she was an accomplice or participated in a cover-up.

"misprison of a felony" :

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/4

"Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

How fitting it would be, if Hillary, who felt no remorse about smearing a 12yo child while defending her rapist in court, were herself brought down by the actions of a pedophile...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2016, 10:44:36 AM

this is not surprising.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/31/federal-authorities-reportedly-battled-over-direction-clinton-email-investigation.html

but this is. Chicago Tribune says Hillary should "step aside".

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-hillary-clinton-emails-kass-1030-20161028-column.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 31, 2016, 10:52:44 AM

Donna Brazile FIRED from CNN today for leaking questions prior to the debate to the Clinton campaign. So now we have proof that the televised debate process is fixed and CNN should be banned from ever hosting another Presidential or primary debate in the future. I just cannot imagine how ANYONE who claims to respect the laws of our country could possibly, in good conscious vote for Shrillary Clinton.

Every time I hear either one of them speak, afterward I feel like I'm somehow soiled and need a shower. But without question Shrillary Clinton has to be the most corrupt person to seek the White House since Ulysses Grant. If when she wins, her administration will make Tammany Hall look like a group of Cub Scouts.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 31, 2016, 12:38:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 31, 2016, 10:52:44 AM

Donna Brazile FIRED from CNN today for leaking questions prior to the debate to the Clinton campaign. So now we have proof that the televised debate process is fixed and CNN should be banned from ever hosting another Presidential or primary debate in the future. I just cannot imagine how ANYONE who claims to respect the laws of our country could possibly, in good conscious vote for Shrillary Clinton.

Every time I hear either one of them speak, afterward I feel like I'm somehow soiled and need a shower. But without question Shrillary Clinton has to be the most corrupt person to seek the White House since Ulysses Grant. If when she wins, her administration will make Tammany Hall look like a group of Cub Scouts.

+1 :thumbsup: It is shocking how transparent her corruption and cheating is! She took the questions in the debates in advance!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 31, 2016, 12:42:13 PM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-31%20at%202.33.08%20PM_zps31mz1pfv.png)

http://www.infowars.com/how-americas-elections-are-hacked/

HOW AMERICA’S ELECTIONS ARE HACKED, MISSING LINK DISCOVERED
Vote fraud expert Bev Harris exposes electronic voting machines
Infowars.com - OCTOBER 31, 2016

The guy in the video shows over his computer how to change the vote results by preprograming a desire percentage win and then round up the number to the nearest whole number. The key to making the scam work is to have the desired person to get higher poll numbers. This is why John Podesta shown in Wikileaks was instructing Atlas Polling Company to "oversample" certain demographic groups that favor Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 31, 2016, 01:40:22 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 31, 2016, 10:17:01 AM

"misprison of a felony" :

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/4

"Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."

This offense requires active concealment but nice try.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 31, 2016, 01:50:25 PM

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/31/fbis-comey-opposed-naming-russians-citing-election-timing-source.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 31, 2016, 02:01:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 31, 2016, 10:52:44 AM

Donna Brazile FIRED from CNN today for leaking questions prior to the debate to the Clinton campaign. So now we have proof..

"Update: Politico reports that in yet another statement, CNN spokeswoman Lauren Pratapas said that on Oct. 14, the network accepted Brazile's resignation."

"In a statement, Ms. Pratapas wrote that CNN “never gave Brazile access to any questions, prep material, attendee list, background information or meetings in advance of a town hall or debate.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2016, 02:21:58 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 31, 2016, 10:52:44 AM

Donna Brazile FIRED from CNN today for leaking questions prior to the debate to the Clinton campaign. So now we have proof that the televised debate process is fixed and CNN should be banned from ever hosting another Presidential or primary debate in the future. I just cannot imagine how ANYONE who claims to respect the laws of our country could possibly, in good conscious vote for Shrillary Clinton.

Weasels always seem to find a way to justify their weasel-like behavior. they make up stories about how their favorite weasels are fit for office. if only we could let all weasels live together in one place (like say, the N. Pole) with their weasel leaders.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2016, 02:29:38 PM

so now begins the Exodus. the honorable ones will come out against Shillary. Such as this guy.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/10/31/schoen-im-democrat-and-worked-for-bill-clinton-but-cant-vote-for-hillary.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2016, 02:36:36 PM

Proving that for some "liberalism" is a mental illness.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/31/carville_blows_up_on_msnbc_anchor_our_democracy_is_under_assault_by_comey_the_kgb_and_republicans.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2016, 03:22:47 PM

Democratic pollster Pat Caddell says that there could be a 40 state landslide for Trump similar to what Reagan got in 1980.
#MAGA #DraintheSwamp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 31, 2016, 03:29:10 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 31, 2016, 02:01:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 31, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
Donna Brazile FIRED from CNN today for leaking questions prior to the debate to the Clinton campaign. So now we have proof..

"Update: Politico reports that in yet another statement, CNN spokeswoman Lauren Pratapas said that on Oct. 14, the network accepted Brazile's resignation."

"In a statement, Ms. Pratapas wrote that CNN “never gave Brazile access to any questions, prep material, attendee list, background information or meetings in advance of a town hall or debate.”

They seem to have announced or made it public today, however, e.g. http://www.businessinsider.com/donna-brazile-leaked-question-hillary-clinton-cnn-debate-2016-10

So shakespear is right.

Did you see the news somewhere, that Brazile was leaving CNN, before October 30th?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 31, 2016, 04:13:25 PM

Look like Huma might be getting dumped by Hillary. Those two were inseparable.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3890990/Now-Huma-just-one-staffers-close-aide-gets-left-Ohio-campaign-trip-Hillary-keeps-war-FBI-stunning-decision-emails.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2016, 05:14:18 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 31, 2016, 03:29:10 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 31, 2016, 02:01:50 PM
Quote from: shakespear on October 31, 2016, 10:52:44 AM
Donna Brazile FIRED from CNN today for leaking questions prior to the debate to the Clinton campaign. So now we have proof..

"Update: Politico reports that in yet another statement, CNN spokeswoman Lauren Pratapas said that on Oct. 14, the network accepted Brazile's resignation."

"In a statement, Ms. Pratapas wrote that CNN “never gave Brazile access to any questions, prep material, attendee list, background information or meetings in advance of a town hall or debate.”

They seem to have announced or made it public today, however, e.g. http://www.businessinsider.com/donna-brazile-leaked-question-hillary-clinton-cnn-debate-2016-10

So shakespear is right.

Did you see the news somewhere, that Brazile was leaving CNN, before October 30th?

Andersen Cooper and a few other CNN "journalists" should probably resign as well for carrying Shillary most of the year.

ps Happy Halloween all

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2016, 07:54:13 PM

Trump now competing in Michigan. Full speech.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 31, 2016, 08:37:27 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 31, 2016, 03:29:10 PM

Did you see the news somewhere, that Brazile was leaving CNN, before October 30th?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/cnn-severs-ties-with-donna-brazile-230534

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 31, 2016, 08:49:41 PM

This is the poll that counts the most but more than half of the data was taken prior to Comey's statement.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2016, 09:29:29 PM

Quote from: d672 on October 30, 2016, 08:44:13 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 30, 2016, 08:30:57 PM
I just love this story so much I think I will post about it one more time. :chuckle:

Hillary Clinton called DNC chairwoman Donna Brazille a "brain dead Buffalo that just stares at the wall" she then threw a full glass of water at an assistant and screamed at Donna Brazille (who happens to be black) to "get to work and janitor this mess up". Apparently her screaming fit was epic, but someone on this forum thinks that she is "mentally stable".

https://70news.wordpress.com/2016/10/17/hillary-clintons-meltdown-calls-dnc-chair-donna-brazile-brain-dead-buffalo-and-tells-matt-lauer-hes-finished-if-trump-wins-after-rogue-email-question-during-presidential-forum/

Wow, just read that link. Gotta agree, mentally stable does not come to mind when I see things like that. And people are scared of Trump having control of nuclear weapons? Imagine if she has a temper tantrum! :hidechair:

There's more. Since it's Halloween I will share this one with you. Her Marine One helicopter was renamed "Broomstick One" by the helicopter crew who she verbally abused. :ROFL:

In fact she's got a horrible reputation for verbally abusing the very Secret Service agents who were assigned to protect her. Such that many veteran agents requested transfers away from her and two former secret service agents have written books highly critical of her.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2016, 09:34:51 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 31, 2016, 08:49:41 PM

This is the poll that counts the most but more than half of the data was taken prior to Comey's statement.

the Hillary campaign spent 1 Million dollars for internet trolls to "correct the record". it's not working.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 31, 2016, 09:36:22 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 31, 2016, 08:49:41 PM

This is the poll that counts the most but more than half of the data was taken prior to Comey's statement.

I worry about you Tom. I wonder what drives you?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2016, 09:42:02 PM

Quote from: Maxx on October 31, 2016, 09:36:22 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 31, 2016, 08:49:41 PM
This is the poll that counts the most but more than half of the data was taken prior to Comey's statement.

I worry about you Tom. I wonder what drives you?

Don't worry about him he's stuck in the past. watch the video I posted: Do Hillary Supporters actually exist? fascinating.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2016, 09:53:20 PM

A new theory on Huma Abedin. She has very deep ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. The theory being explored here is that Huma is spying for Saudi Arabia and other radical Muslim organizations. there might be something here, considering that the FBI found 650,000 THOUSAND emails on the confiscated computer. :'(

http://freedomdaily.com/anonymous-releases-chilling-new-info-hillarys-right-hand-huma-abedin/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on October 31, 2016, 09:57:16 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 31, 2016, 08:49:41 PM

This is the poll that counts the most but more than half of the data was taken prior to Comey's statement.

30% R , 36% D , 33% independent.

Little surprise that Hillary leads by 6% (the difference between who they include).

HOG SLAUGHTER: remember these words. And take solace in the fact that if I am wrong, I lose $500.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2016, 10:06:30 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 31, 2016, 09:57:16 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 31, 2016, 08:49:41 PM
This is the poll that counts the most but more than half of the data was taken prior to Comey's statement.

30% R , 36% D , 33% independent.

Little surprise that Hillary leads by 6% (the difference between who they include).

HOG SLAUGHTER: remember these words. And take solace in the fact that if I am wrong, I lose $500.

Are you getting any good odds or did you take that sucker bet for even odds? you could have gotten somewhere around 4 or 5 to 1 at a casino last week. now probably not so good.

Anonymous poll: Trump landslide

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on October 31, 2016, 10:58:25 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 31, 2016, 09:34:51 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 31, 2016, 08:49:41 PM
This is the poll that counts the most but more than half of the data was taken prior to Comey's statement.

the Hillary campaign spent 1 Million dollars for internet trolls to "correct the record". it's not working.

Thanks for the link, it reminded me of a conversation Tom and I had in August...

Quote from: d672 on August 27, 2016, 10:43:02 PM

Quote from: TomT on August 27, 2016, 07:48:05 AM
Quote from: d672 on August 26, 2016, 11:02:38 PM
But what about the social media stats?

If Trump wins by anything less than a landslide, then Josh Bernstein and his social media stats are full of shit. We'll know the actual results soon enough.

My original contention was that a poll with mostly conservative, white male respondents over 50 has little chance of reflecting the actual outcome because this group represents Trump's core base. Would anyone care to rebut the obvious?

And my original post was pointing out that maybe what you said about changing the demographic of the group may not be true when you look at the social media stats. I'm sure most people will agree that the majority of people on social media are not 50+ white males, in fact I would venture to say that they would only be a small percentage. Yet the stats show that Trump is crushing Hillary when it comes to social media followers. When I see this I really do wonder how legitimate the polls are.

Better prepare yourself for a surprise in November Tom, things might not be what you think! :)

Tom tried saying that Trump`s core voter base was old white males, even though social media stats showed otherwise. And he was quick to throw up poll results to prove it. It will be interesting to see what those polls are showing us by Friday now that the rats are fleeing the sinking SS Hillary Clinton! :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on October 31, 2016, 11:35:11 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:22:47 PM

While some of you have been jabbering away about rallies (and the fools who attend them), Clinton's favorability rating has climbed to 16 points above Trump and Obama's job approval has topped 52%.

I am guessing you pulled the above stats from Real Clear Politics. Right now, today, I see Clinton at 44.1 as favorable on their chart and Trump at 38. A difference of 6 points.
These stats are shown to be from Oct 20th to Oct 29th. You posted the above post on Oct 27th. So... in two days the favorability rating changed 10 points???? C`mon, is anyone really foolish enough to think there would be that much swing in such a short period of time?

The rats are fleeing!!! I suggest you find another source if you want to know what the real stats are Tom! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 01, 2016, 02:14:24 AM

The Clinton Creature has it bad about Russia: https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 01, 2016, 02:32:59 AM

Quote from: Manny on November 01, 2016, 02:14:24 AM

The Clinton Creature has it bad about Russia: https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton

The Clinton campaign has caused a serious problem for US foreign policy no matter who ends up being president.

I start from the premise that professional diplomats are trained to ignore insults and opprobrium heaped upon them personally and in their professional role.

However, if Clinton ends up being elected she, personally, not a trained diplomat, is going to have to deal with a bloke who she has personally insulted in vile terms who is the leader of a country whose people she has insulted in vile terms and yet she will be hoping to attain the goals that she, as leader of the United States has set forth. The diplomats will smile nicely, the leadership will be genial and hospitable and the US will get only the scraps from the table left over after the meal has been eaten by the civilised world.

There's no way that the US can expect to have optimal outcomes in that situation.

However, it is hardly better if Trump wins because he, the 'Leader of the Free World' has been portrayed by the Clinton campaign, and millions of people believe the lies; that he is a KGB puppet, that he is president only because of the actions of President Putin, that he is under instruction from Russia. The effect of that is that domestically there is nothing that he, or his team, can do in respect of Russia that will not be seen by millions of Americans as being treachery, a sellout and not supportable by the American people.

There's no way that the US can expect to have optimal outcomes in that situation.

Team Clinton, as a group, are guilty of treason - the crime of betraying one's country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 03:24:35 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 01, 2016, 02:32:59 AM

Quote from: Manny on November 01, 2016, 02:14:24 AM
The Clinton Creature has it bad about Russia: https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton

The Clinton campaign has caused a serious problem for US foreign policy no matter who ends up being president.

I start from the premise that professional diplomats are trained to ignore insults and opprobrium heaped upon them personally and in their professional role.

However, if Clinton ends up being elected she, personally, not a trained diplomat, is going to have to deal with a bloke who she has personally insulted in vile terms who is the leader of a country whose people she has insulted in vile terms and yet she will be hoping to attain the goals that she, as leader of the United States has set forth. The diplomats will smile nicely, the leadership will be genial and hospitable and the US will get only the scraps from the table left over after the meal has been eaten by the civilised world.

There's no way that the US can expect to have optimal outcomes in that situation.

However, it is hardly better if Trump wins because he, the 'Leader of the Free World' has been portrayed by the Clinton campaign, and millions of people believe the lies; that he is a KGB puppet, that he is president only because of the actions of President Putin, that he is under instruction from Russia. The effect of that is that domestically there is nothing that he, or his team, can do in respect of Russia that will not be seen by millions of Americans as being treachery, a sellout and not supportable by the American people.

There's no way that the US can expect to have optimal outcomes in that situation.

Team Clinton, as a group, are guilty of treason - the crime of betraying one's country.

I previously stated that Hillary's actions are reckless and the sign of an unstable person. It's outrageous to claim that Russia is "attempting to influence our election" with hacked material

a) when it was her who in the first place did not properly secure that information, and
b) when it is far more likely that the source of the information is a disgruntled mole within the Democratic party

Either way she has not acted "presidential" nor has she been responsible when she says she thinks the USA should install a "no fly zone" in Syria a country we do not belong in. In both instances her words and actions are reckless and her attempts to blame Russia are clearly an attempt to divert attention away from her reckless handling of classified material.

In regards to your concern that American citizens will see things this way: (quoting you)

"The effect of that is that domestically there is nothing that he, or his team, can do in respect of Russia that will not be seen by millions of Americans as being treachery, a sellout and not supportable by the American people."

I believe most reasonable Americans do not see things this way. We see through the lefts lies and propaganda and want good relations with Russia and certainly do not want any more military conflicts.

Hillary Clinton is indeed guilty of treason but it is mostly due to her "pay for play" activities as Secretary of State.

A Trump victory will restore balance and sensibility to our foreign policy and refocus our attentions on our own economy and affairs at home. A Trump victory is a choice for peace and prosperity for us and the world. November 8 cannot arrive soon enough and thankfully momentum has swung in Trumps favor.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 03:29:19 AM

Billionaire Peter Thiel lays out rational reasons for supporting Trump in a speech at the national press club.

about 10 minutes into his speech he talks about the Trillions of dollars wasted on foreign wars and 11 minutes in he discusses Hillary's bad choices in Syria. the best part of his speech is his criticism of our political elites for creating "bubbles".

he goes on to say that Trump has questioned the core concept of "American Exceptionalism". Thiel tells it like it is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 03:58:15 AM

Quote from: d672 on October 31, 2016, 11:35:11 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:22:47 PM
While some of you have been jabbering away about rallies (and the fools who attend them), Clinton's favorability rating has climbed to 16 points above Trump and Obama's job approval has topped 52%.

I am guessing you pulled the above stats from Real Clear Politics. Right now, today, I see Clinton at 44.1 as favorable on their chart and Trump at 38. A difference of 6 points.
These stats are shown to be from Oct 20th to Oct 29th. You posted the above post on Oct 27th. So... in two days the favorability rating changed 10 points???? C`mon, is anyone really foolish enough to think there would be that much swing in such a short period of time?

The rats are fleeing!!! I suggest you find another source if you want to know what the real stats are Tom! :chuckle:

Boy are the rats ever fleeing! Hillary is desperate and her ship is sinking. Speaking of RCP I don't care too much for MSM polls but they sure changed overnight.

http://www.vivaliberty.com/real-clear-politics-average-trump-up-4-points/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 01, 2016, 06:20:55 AM

Quote from: Maxx on October 31, 2016, 09:36:22 PM

I worry about you Tom. I wonder what drives you?

That's fair; I worry about people who post infantile cartoons.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 01, 2016, 06:24:19 AM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-11-01%20at%208.21.32%20AM_zpsujy1u4gy.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 01, 2016, 06:35:11 AM

Quote from: d672 on October 31, 2016, 11:35:11 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:22:47 PM
While some of you have been jabbering away about rallies (and the fools who attend them), Clinton's favorability rating has climbed to 16 points above Trump and Obama's job approval has topped 52%.

I am guessing you pulled the above stats from Real Clear Politics. Right now, today, I see Clinton at 44.1 as favorable on their chart and Trump at 38. A difference of 6 points.
These stats are shown to be from Oct 20th to Oct 29th. You posted the above post on Oct 27th. So... in two days the favorability rating changed 10 points???? C`mon, is anyone really foolish enough to think there would be that much swing in such a short period of time?

The rats are fleeing!!! I suggest you find another source if you want to know what the real stats are Tom! :chuckle:

When RCP refers to favorability ratings, that is short for a comparison between favorabilty minus unfavorabilty for the two candidates. If we are consistent with that reporting system, Hillary has lost nearly five points.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 01, 2016, 06:38:24 AM

I heard a Rumour that Clinton will announce today she will quit the presidential race :innocent:

I hope dear powers-that-be, that this is untrue, as it would mean the USA itself becomes a dictatorship under Trump. He will win by default then, without american people choosing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on November 01, 2016, 06:50:02 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 01, 2016, 06:35:11 AM

Quote from: d672 on October 31, 2016, 11:35:11 PM
Quote from: TomT on October 26, 2016, 08:22:47 PM
While some of you have been jabbering away about rallies (and the fools who attend them), Clinton's favorability rating has climbed to 16 points above Trump and Obama's job approval has topped 52%.

I am guessing you pulled the above stats from Real Clear Politics. Right now, today, I see Clinton at 44.1 as favorable on their chart and Trump at 38. A difference of 6 points.
These stats are shown to be from Oct 20th to Oct 29th. You posted the above post on Oct 27th. So... in two days the favorability rating changed 10 points???? C`mon, is anyone really foolish enough to think there would be that much swing in such a short period of time?

The rats are fleeing!!! I suggest you find another source if you want to know what the real stats are Tom! :chuckle:

When RCP refers to favorability ratings, that is short for a comparison between favorabilty minus unfavorabilty for the two candidates. If we are consistent with that reporting system, Hillary has lost nearly five points.

Ahh, ok. the chart I found calls what you are talking about "the spread". ....
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president/clintontrumpfavorability.html

Still, 5 points in two days is a huge drop, I still don't buy it. I'm sticking with my theory... Clinton is up to her neck and suddenly feeling very alone... no more inflated stats! :snivel:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 01, 2016, 07:06:52 AM

Trump still needs to win 106 out of 111 electoral votes from the toss-up states. Nate Silver predicts that Hillary will take Nevada, Colorado, North Carolina, Florida and Maine's 2nd district.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 01, 2016, 08:06:14 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 01, 2016, 06:38:24 AM

I heard a Rumour that Clinton will announce today she will quit the presidential race :innocent:

I hope dear powers-that-be, that this is untrue, as it would mean the USA itself becomes a dictatorship under Trump. He will win by default then, without american people choosing.

Her only hope of avoiding prison is to win the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 01, 2016, 08:07:26 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 01, 2016, 06:20:55 AM

Quote from: Maxx on October 31, 2016, 09:36:22 PM
I worry about you Tom. I wonder what drives you?

That's fair; I worry about people who post infantile cartoons.

Actually that's a good sign I am not talking this too serious.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 01, 2016, 08:14:29 AM

d672, I think that, when the dust settles, you will find that the polls have not been 'unrigged'. For example, an ABC (IIRC) published overnight actually increased the democrat representation whilst showing that Trump was still ahead.

The empirical evidence tends to suggest that Trump actually has a clear lead in voter preferences. Because the polls have not had a consistent base from which to model and their universes have been altered to favour the democrats in ways that are not publicly available there's no way to trust any poll in which info about how the selections were made, the raw data and the changes from one to another poll in a series are not also published.

Right now opinion polling is worthless as a measure of voter preference. Polling is being used as a tool of voter management and persuasion.

Tom knows this, he's just funning with people who have yet to understand what has been happening. Oh, the changes and distortions are not a secret, albeit that, in general the only distortion that is made public is the stated voter preferences of voters in the respondent selection. All other aspects of the model are kept confidential.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 08:54:45 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 01, 2016, 07:06:52 AM

Trump still needs to win 106 out of 111 electoral votes from the toss-up states. Nate Silver predicts that Hillary will take Nevada, Colorado, North Carolina, Florida and Maine's 2nd district.

Not a chance. Nevada, North Carolina and Florida firmly with Trump. the other two up for grabs.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 08:57:33 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 01, 2016, 08:14:29 AM

d672, I think that, when the dust settles, you will find that the polls have not been 'unrigged'. For example, an ABC (IIRC) published overnight actually increased the democrat representation whilst showing that Trump was still ahead.

The empirical evidence tends to suggest that Trump actually has a clear lead in voter preferences. Because the polls have not had a consistent base from which to model and their universes have been altered to favour the democrats in ways that are not publicly available there's no way to trust any poll in which info about how the selections were made, the raw data and the changes from one to another poll in a series are not also published.

Right now opinion polling is worthless as a measure of voter preference. Polling is being used as a tool of voter management and persuasion.

Tom knows this, he's just funning with people who have yet to understand what has been happening. Oh, the changes and distortions are not a secret, albeit that, in general the only distortion that is made public is the stated voter preferences of voters in the respondent selection. All other aspects of the model are kept confidential.

so what is your predicition? say it in laymen's terms. if the Democraps find a way to throw this election then it won't be over on November 8th. thankfully the number of hidden Trump voters should be overwhelming.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 09:04:50 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 01, 2016, 08:06:14 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 01, 2016, 06:38:24 AM
I heard a Rumour that Clinton will announce today she will quit the presidential race :innocent:

I hope dear powers-that-be, that this is untrue, as it would mean the USA itself becomes a dictatorship under Trump. He will win by default then, without american people choosing.

Her only hope of avoiding prison is to win the White House.

I don't think this is true. In an effort to unite the country Trump will pardon her if need be or she just will not be indicted. However the Clinton Foundation may be forced to dismantle.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 09:12:23 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 01, 2016, 06:20:55 AM

Quote from: Maxx on October 31, 2016, 09:36:22 PM
I worry about you Tom. I wonder what drives you?

That's fair; I worry about people who post infantile cartoons.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 01, 2016, 09:21:29 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 01, 2016, 09:04:50 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 01, 2016, 08:06:14 AM
Quote from: Markje on November 01, 2016, 06:38:24 AM
I heard a Rumour that Clinton will announce today she will quit the presidential race :innocent:

I hope dear powers-that-be, that this is untrue, as it would mean the USA itself becomes a dictatorship under Trump. He will win by default then, without american people choosing.

Her only hope of avoiding prison is to win the White House.

I don't think this is true. In an effort to unite the country Trump will pardon her if need be or she just will not be indicted. However the Clinton Foundation may be forced to dismantle.

That seems reasonable. I can't imagine what the Democrats would do if she was arrested much less imprisoned.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 01, 2016, 09:30:52 AM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-11-01%20at%2011.27.24%20AM_zps8beoamdd.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 09:34:06 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 01, 2016, 06:38:24 AM

I heard a Rumour that Clinton will announce today she will quit the presidential race :innocent:

I hope dear powers-that-be, that this is untrue, as it would mean the USA itself becomes a dictatorship under Trump. He will win by default then, without american people choosing.

If Hillary were suddenly out of the race they would put Biden in there as a substitute.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 01, 2016, 09:43:23 AM

So, what you're saying, put simply, in a nutshell, concisely, in a way that is brief but comprehensive, accurately wihout redaction, the American Public have to choose between the lesser of two morons?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 01, 2016, 10:03:30 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 01, 2016, 09:43:23 AM

So, what you're saying, put simply, in a nutshell, concisely, in a way that is brief but comprehensive, accurately wihout redaction, the American Public have to choose between the lesser of two morons?

Nope, they have to choose between the retarded antichrist and God's imperfect savior of the Republic. (joking)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 01, 2016, 11:01:23 AM

Neither of them is a moron. Both are very bright.

Both are fallible human beings. As I see it, to a degree the choice is between to sets of character attributes. One set of attributes reflects a real danger to the United States and the world, the other doesn't.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 01, 2016, 12:25:42 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 31, 2016, 08:37:27 PM

Quote from: Slumba on October 31, 2016, 03:29:10 PM
Did you see the news somewhere, that Brazile was leaving CNN, before October 30th?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/10/cnn-severs-ties-with-donna-brazile-230534

The dateline on that article says it was written 10/31. CNN could have accepted her resignation but not announced it.

So my original question, still stands, as you haven't answered it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 01, 2016, 12:28:33 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 01, 2016, 06:38:24 AM

I heard a Rumour that Clinton will announce today she will quit the presidential race :innocent:

I hope dear powers-that-be, that this is untrue, as it would mean the USA itself becomes a dictatorship under Trump. He will win by default then, without american people choosing.

In the coming term the USA government is likely to be more dysfunctional than usually. No it will not be a dictatorship as the president will not likely have much power with out a base in congress. That is likely to happen no mater which on these two get elected. It is a good chance will end up with a vice president no matter who gets elected. Trump's election will likely cause civil unrest in this country to a point that he will not be able to govern. Hillary's election will not be better as she is likely to be facing criminal problems.

In all likelihood if Hillary were to drop out then her vice president elect would be in her place. She would complete the election cycle then resign leaving the vice president to fill her vacant spot. The elections in the US are already under way. I voted yesterday and the polls were busy. A good part of the population has already voted. There is no way the ballots can be changed now. In this state as in many states we are half way through the voting period which here is two weeks.

We are in a period of time that we are due for the next financial crisis. In all likely will not reach April without the economy starting steep decline rather than a small growth like it is now. Will likely enter this crisis with a completely dysfunctional government which will in itself will make it worse than it had to be.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 01, 2016, 12:31:14 PM

I don't have a link, anyone who wants to pay me, well, PM me and I will research. ;)

However, Brazile was some time ago having difficulties with CNN in respect of her 'outside work'. What has happened now is merely the final act of a process that started some months ago.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on November 01, 2016, 01:06:54 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 01, 2016, 08:14:29 AM

d672, I think that, when the dust settles, you will find that the polls have not been 'unrigged'. For example, an ABC (IIRC) published overnight actually increased the democrat representation whilst showing that Trump was still ahead.

I don't believe they are "unrigged" now. After seeing what has been happening the last few months I wouldn't believe them if they said Trump was ahead by 10 points

Quote from: andrewfi on November 01, 2016, 08:14:29 AM

The empirical evidence tends to suggest that Trump actually has a clear lead in voter preferences. Because the polls have not had a consistent base from which to model and their universes have been altered to favour the democrats in ways that are not publicly available there's no way to trust any poll in which info about how the selections were made, the raw data and the changes from one to another poll in a series are not also published.

Right now opinion polling is worthless as a measure of voter preference. Polling is being used as a tool of voter management and persuasion.

This is exactly what I was trying to point out. :coffeeread:

Quote from: andrewfi on November 01, 2016, 08:14:29 AM

Tom knows this, he's just funning with people who have yet to understand what has been happening. Oh, the changes and distortions are not a secret, albeit that, in general the only distortion that is made public is the stated voter preferences of voters in the respondent selection. All other aspects of the model are kept confidential.

Nahh, he's a tried and true Hillary fan who's devotion to her blinded him from seeing the truth. He never posted poll results when Trump was shown to be in an upswing over these past months, just when Hillary was leading comfortably. I'm guessing he has pictures of her hanging in his house, maybe even one on his nightstand beside his bed. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 01:23:19 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 01, 2016, 11:01:23 AM

Neither of them is a moron. Both are very bright.

Both are fallible human beings. As I see it, to a degree the choice is between to sets of character attributes. One set of attributes reflects a real danger to the United States and the world, the other doesn't.

Very well put. By any chance did you watch the speech by Peter Thiel at the National Press Club? He is the exception in Silicon Valley being a Trump supporter and financial backer. He talked about military bubbles (we are in 5 separate wars according to him) and financial bubbles. He talked about the fact that Trump's foreign policy is actually based on humility because Trump does not believe in this "american exceptionalism" when it comes to overseas policy. At home sure but that's where we've been failing and failing badly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 01:27:32 PM

Quote from: d672 on November 01, 2016, 01:06:54 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 01, 2016, 08:14:29 AM

Tom knows this, he's just funning with people who have yet to understand what has been happening. Oh, the changes and distortions are not a secret, albeit that, in general the only distortion that is made public is the stated voter preferences of voters in the respondent selection. All other aspects of the model are kept confidential.

Nahh, he's a tried and true Hillary fan who's devotion to her blinded him from seeing the truth. He never posted poll results when Trump was shown to be in an upswing over these past months, just when Hillary was leading comfortably. I'm guessing he has pictures of her hanging in his house, maybe even one on his nightstand beside his bed. ;D

too bad he doesn't have a photo of this on his nightstand, maybe it would sink it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 01, 2016, 01:38:20 PM

Confederate, no, I did not see Theil's speech, who has the time for such things, maybe a transcript will show up for the literate, time poor, information consumer whilst the information is still relevant.

d672, I have no real way to know Tom's political leanings but I do know that he is not stupid and that he knows, just as well as I do, how the publicly published polling has been manipulated and, probably, the expected impact upon voting patterns.
The swing you see is probably genuine in its direction, there's no reason to think otherwise. What we can't know is the true magnitude because of the distortions present in the models now in use.

It is good that as time goes by others are catching up to this understanding - I hope that it is not too late.

As a result of what we have seen in the UK and now in the United States I hope to see changes in the way in which polling is carried out and presented to the public. Hopefully the US equivalent of the MRS will take a stand, as they are doing in the UK, and standards will be cleaned up a tad; although the US case seems much worse than we saw in the UK.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 01:43:37 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 01, 2016, 01:38:20 PM

Confederate, no, I did not see Theil's speech, who has the time for such things, maybe a transcript will show up for the literate, time poor, information consumer whilst the information is still relevant.

His speech was only just yesterday and it's about 10 minutes or less; very precise as to the real issues. He has a european sensibility in some ways as he was raised in Germany.

...Trump voters are also tired of war. We have been at war for 15 years and we have spent more than 4.6 Trillion Dollars. More than 2 Million people have lost their lives, more than 5,000 American soldiers have been killed, but we haven't won...

this is not an entire transcript but it has the major points.

http://www.businessinsider.com/peter-thiel-trump-speech-national-press-club-2016-10

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 01, 2016, 02:07:16 PM

Quote from: d672 on November 01, 2016, 01:06:54 PM

He never posted poll results when Trump was shown to be in an upswing over these past months, just when Hillary was leading comfortably.

Click on this:

Quote from: TomT on July 28, 2016, 11:54:47 AM

Is this the end of Trump's convention bounce or just the beginning? Stay tuned! This and other rhetorical questions will be answered in the next few weeks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 02:17:42 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 31, 2016, 01:50:25 PM

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/31/fbis-comey-opposed-naming-russians-citing-election-timing-source.html

It is funny how the same people who criticize Trump for complaining about our rigged electoral process and the corrupt media which supports it are willing to blame Russia for some sort of conspiracy.

A UK ambassador who visited Assange disagrees with the theory of a Russian hacker.

http://conservativebyte.com/2016/10/former-u-k-ambassador-visits-assange-and-comes-back-with-huge-info/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on November 01, 2016, 02:27:33 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 01, 2016, 02:07:16 PM

Quote from: d672 on November 01, 2016, 01:06:54 PM
He never posted poll results when Trump was shown to be in an upswing over these past months, just when Hillary was leading comfortably.

Click on this:

Quote from: TomT on July 28, 2016, 11:54:47 AM
Is this the end of Trump's convention bounce or just the beginning? Stay tuned! This and other rhetorical questions will be answered in the next few weeks.

Yeah ok, you got me. I never went back and researched it to see if it was true or not, saying" barely ever mentioned Trumps upswings" just didn't fit my narrative as well. Judging from yours and Andy's responses I guess I should have also used (just kidding) at the end of that paragraph instead of ;D. Did you really think I believed that you had a picture of Hillary on your nightstand too? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 02:30:15 PM

Quote from: d672 on November 01, 2016, 02:27:33 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 01, 2016, 02:07:16 PM
Quote from: d672 on November 01, 2016, 01:06:54 PM
He never posted poll results when Trump was shown to be in an upswing over these past months, just when Hillary was leading comfortably.

Click on this:

Quote from: TomT on July 28, 2016, 11:54:47 AM
Is this the end of Trump's convention bounce or just the beginning? Stay tuned! This and other rhetorical questions will be answered in the next few weeks.

Yeah ok, you got me. I never went back and researched it to see if it was true or not, saying" barely ever mentioned Trumps upswings" just didn't fit my narrative as well. Judging from yours and Andy's responses I guess I should have also used (just kidding) at the end of that paragraph instead of ;D. Did you really think I believed that you had a picture of Hillary on your nightstand too? :chuckle:

damn yankee. I did. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on November 01, 2016, 02:42:59 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 01, 2016, 02:30:15 PM

Quote from: d672 on November 01, 2016, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: TomT on November 01, 2016, 02:07:16 PM
Quote from: d672 on November 01, 2016, 01:06:54 PM
He never posted poll results when Trump was shown to be in an upswing over these past months, just when Hillary was leading comfortably.

Click on this:

Quote from: TomT on July 28, 2016, 11:54:47 AM
Is this the end of Trump's convention bounce or just the beginning? Stay tuned! This and other rhetorical questions will be answered in the next few weeks.

Yeah ok, you got me. I never went back and researched it to see if it was true or not, saying" barely ever mentioned Trumps upswings" just didn't fit my narrative as well. Judging from yours and Andy's responses I guess I should have also used (just kidding) at the end of that paragraph instead of ;D. Did you really think I believed that you had a picture of Hillary on your nightstand too? :chuckle:

damn yankee. I did. :laugh:

Well he only disputed mentioning Trumps upswings and not the photos... guess it's possible :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 01, 2016, 03:10:53 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 01:00:30 AM

It seems that Obama and Biden have now cancelled all public appearances where they were due to support Clinton.

Obama is speaking in support of Clinton in Columbus, Ohio.

Edit to add: It's over now but the video will probably be available soon.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 01, 2016, 04:08:45 PM

Wonder how much of her own advice, she has been incorporating in this election?

Hillary ON TAPE: Don't Hold an Election Unless You Rig It in Advance

Ms Clinton made the obseravtion about elections in occupied Palestine while speaking to a private gathering of Jewish journalists

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/hillary-caught-tape-we-need-determine-who-wins-palestinian-elections-held/ri17321

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 01, 2016, 04:31:02 PM

Here's a prime example of liberal media spreading lies.
Then the second link with a bit more accurate account.
Hillary has sure been blowing smoke out of her arse about Russian involvement, and the FBI, has nothing.

Trump’s Putin problem returns in a big way

Howhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/11/01/trumps-putin-problem-returns-in-a-big-way/?utm_term=.2a2eef07c70f

FBI investigations into Trump-Russia ties yield little

Story highlights

The FBI hasn't proved that WikiLeaks is conspiring with Russian intelligenceRussia might be trying to sow chaos in the US elections rather than sway them

Washington (CNN)
The FBI has been conducting multiple investigations of alleged connections between Russia and Donald Trump, his presidential campaign or its backers. But none so far have yielded proof of criminal connections between the parties

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/01/politics/donald-trump-russia-fbi-investigations/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 04:50:32 PM

Who gets investigated for what is a result of Dictator Hussein O's politicized administration. It's Shillary who used her office of secretary of state to enrich herself and friends while committing acts which weakened the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 04:52:53 PM

Quote from: d672 on November 01, 2016, 02:42:59 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 01, 2016, 02:30:15 PM
Quote from: d672 on November 01, 2016, 02:27:33 PM
Quote from: TomT on November 01, 2016, 02:07:16 PM
Quote from: d672 on November 01, 2016, 01:06:54 PM
He never posted poll results when Trump was shown to be in an upswing over these past months, just when Hillary was leading comfortably.

Click on this:

Quote from: TomT on July 28, 2016, 11:54:47 AM
Is this the end of Trump's convention bounce or just the beginning? Stay tuned! This and other rhetorical questions will be answered in the next few weeks.

Yeah ok, you got me. I never went back and researched it to see if it was true or not, saying" barely ever mentioned Trumps upswings" just didn't fit my narrative as well. Judging from yours and Andy's responses I guess I should have also used (just kidding) at the end of that paragraph instead of ;D. Did you really think I believed that you had a picture of Hillary on your nightstand too? :chuckle:

damn yankee. I did. :laugh:

Well he only disputed mentioning Trumps upswings and not the photos... guess it's possible :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2016, 05:16:43 PM

Is this Comey's way of fighting back against the Clinton machine?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/01/fbi-releases-documents-on-bill-clintons-2001-pardon-financier-rich.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 01, 2016, 07:20:14 PM

Trump has spent just a fraction of what Hillary has, had the playing field been evenly matched, it never would have been a contest
Chances are Trump has always been the front runner , and in a week we will have president Trump.

What WikiLeaks just revealed about Google explains EVERYTHING

http://www.allenbwest.com/michaelcantrell/wikileaks-just-revealed-google-explains-everything

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 02, 2016, 12:41:12 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 01, 2016, 04:50:32 PM

Who gets investigated for what is a result of Dictator Hussein O's politicized administration.

Remind us who is still President and then wonder why we are laughing at you ....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 02, 2016, 12:44:57 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 01, 2016, 07:20:14 PM

What WikiLeaks just revealed about Google explains EVERYTHING

http://www.allenbwest.com/michaelcantrell/wikileaks-just-revealed-google-explains-everything

Who ARE these people who have 'wondered' ... ? It is really funny - especially on here - to read how 'liberals' are controlling what we read ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 02, 2016, 02:25:29 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 02, 2016, 12:41:12 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 01, 2016, 04:50:32 PM
Who gets investigated for what is a result of Dictator Hussein O's politicized administration.

Remind us who is still President and then wonder why we are laughing at you ....

Have you got royal pretensions?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 09:02:35 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 02, 2016, 12:41:12 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 01, 2016, 04:50:32 PM
Who gets investigated for what is a result of Dictator Hussein O's politicized administration.

Remind us who is still President and then wonder why we are laughing at you ....

Who is we? You're all by yourself and seemingly you could not bother paying attention to what was written. A normal administration would have investigated and prosecuted Secretary Clinton for using her office in a pay for play capacity to (for example) let Russia get 20 percent of our uranium production in exchange for paying her 147 Million dollars. A normal administration would have indicted her for mishandling classified material.

why are you even here? your posts are all nonsensical. go back to Brexit and pretend to know something about that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 09:16:09 AM

The FBI re-opening the investigation is going to help make sure the Republicans hold the Senate and limit our majority losses in the House.

But for the Presidential race, that turkey is cooked and done. Stick a fork in it. Better get used to saying it now . . . . . .

President Clinton

Thanks Trumpsters. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 02, 2016, 09:32:03 AM

Clinton nearly died a few weeks back.. Any chance of the poisonous bitch dropping dead in the next few days??

Just wondering.. :8)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 02, 2016, 09:43:02 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 09:16:09 AM

The FBI re-opening the investigation is going to help make sure the Republicans hold the Senate and limit our majority losses in the House.

But for the Presidential race, that turkey is cooked and done. Stick a fork in it. Better get used to saying it now . . . . . .

President Clinton

Thanks Trumpsters. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

She's toast, if the pedo connection rumors are true (my belief is that they are, but have to wait until more info comes out).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 02, 2016, 10:14:21 AM

New LA Times Poll Puts Trump 4 Points Ahead of Clinton

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2180297-new-la-times-poll-puts-trump-4-points-ahead-of-clinton/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 02, 2016, 10:22:10 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 01, 2016, 04:50:32 PM

Who gets investigated for what is a result of Dictator Hussein O's politicized administration.

Quote from: msmoby on November 02, 2016, 12:41:12 AM

Remind us who is still President and then wonder why we are laughing at you ....

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 09:02:35 AM

Who is we?

ANY ONE who can read... I wasn't aware Obama had left office, yet ...

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 09:02:35 AM

why are you even here? your posts are all nonsensical. go back to Brexit and pretend to know something about that.

Let me see:

1/ I'm not the poster with a nick that suggests he is supporter of the LOSING side in a long since finished civil war ...

2/ I actually l DO have Russian Ukrainian 'adventures ...

3/ 'Forgive me', but someone using your 'nick' is happy to post daft in the 'Brexit', thread ... :coffeeread:

I suppose you'd be the sort who would hold up a 'confederate flag' during the national anthem, in front of Black Americans - some sort of 'wack job' protest - be escorted off for trespass and think it's 'Ok' to shoot police officers because your feelings were hurt ? ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 10:30:07 AM

Quote from: Slumba on November 02, 2016, 09:43:02 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 09:16:09 AM
The FBI re-opening the investigation is going to help make sure the Republicans hold the Senate and limit our majority losses in the House.

But for the Presidential race, that turkey is cooked and done. Stick a fork in it. Better get used to saying it now . . . . . .

President Clinton

Thanks Trumpsters. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

She's toast, if the pedo connection rumors are true (my belief is that they are, but have to wait until more info comes out).

Now what? You would think the email scandal alone would have taken her out of contention back in July. There's more?

additional: I found this. Unless the main networks pick it up it is currently meaningless.

https://conservativedailypost.com/breaking-fbi-confirms-evidence-of-huge-underground-clinton-sex-network/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_campaign=Martin&utm_medium=LH&utm_content=postpromo

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 02, 2016, 11:13:15 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 02, 2016, 10:14:21 AM

New LA Times Poll Puts Trump 4 Points Ahead of Clinton

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2180297-new-la-times-poll-puts-trump-4-points-ahead-of-clinton/

The LA Times leans approximately six points to the Right. Of course, it's a moot point since you don't believe in polls.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 11:17:25 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 02, 2016, 11:13:15 AM

The LA Times leans approximately six points to the Right. Of course, it's a moot point since you don't believe in polls.

Doesn't make any difference.

He might win Florida and Ohio.

But if he loses North Carolina (almost a certainty) he's toast.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 11:18:12 AM

"Confederate" implies a belief in states rights, per our Constitution. This means I believe roe versus wade was overreach by our Supreme court, as well as a few other decisions. It also means I'm the opposite of a globalist. I believe local places should be run by the locals and that the USA should leave all conflicts in the middle east.

Like I said before, you (moby) are incredibly thick and your attempt to paint me with other radical stuff is noted. go back to Brexit or your sofa (I also read that you're a couch surfer).

PS that's correct, Hussein O. is the "president" and unlike other Presidents with morals and ethics he has not withdrawn support for Shillary and he did not accept her resignation a long time ago. Any normal President with ethics would have made sure she was indicted back in July. You are incapable of drafting legitimate responses to the english chaps in the Brexit thread and you're entirely incapable of making any sensible post here either.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 11:25:08 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 11:17:25 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 02, 2016, 11:13:15 AM
The LA Times leans approximately six points to the Right. Of course, it's a moot point since you don't believe in polls.

Doesn't make any difference.

He might win Florida and Ohio.

But if he loses North Carolina (almost a certainty) he's toast.

You sure are a pessimist. thankfully most Trump voters are the opposite of you. I expect a landslide unless the usual democrap voter fraud is sufficient.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 11:28:04 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 02, 2016, 09:32:03 AM

Clinton nearly died a few weeks back.. Any chance of the poisonous bitch dropping dead in the next few days??
Just wondering.. :8)

at this point it is highly unlikely that she could be elected however if somehow she were she would face unending Congressional hearings and probable impeachment as well she has all indications of Parkinson's disease due to her long history of drug and alcohol abuse. Doubtful she would make even a year or two much less four from either problem.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 02, 2016, 11:31:34 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 02, 2016, 10:22:10 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 01, 2016, 04:50:32 PM
Who gets investigated for what is a result of Dictator Hussein O's politicized administration.

Quote from: msmoby on November 02, 2016, 12:41:12 AM
Remind us who is still President and then wonder why we are laughing at you ....

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 09:02:35 AM
Who is we?

ANY ONE who can read... I wasn't aware Obama had left office, yet ...

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 09:02:35 AM
why are you even here? your posts are all nonsensical. go back to Brexit and pretend to know something about that.

Let me see:

1/ I'm not the poster with a nick that suggests he is supporter of the LOSING side in a long since finished civil war ...

2/ I actually l DO have Russian Ukrainian 'adventures ...

3/ 'Forgive me', but someone using your 'nick' is happy to post daft in the 'Brexit', thread ... :coffeeread:

I suppose you'd be the sort who would hold up a 'confederate flag' during the national anthem, in front of Black Americans - some sort of 'wack job' protest - be escorted off for trespass and think it's 'Ok' to shoot police officers because your feelings were hurt ? ...

I am a Yankee. I was traveling North on route 69 in North Texas when I encountered a tall man in his 70s-80s dressed in a black suit and cowboy hat. Somehow or another we got into a conversation at the gas station convenience store. He asked me where I was from. I pointed to the large letters on my sweater saying WISCONSIN. He goes, OH BOY! and shakes my head as if I was the enemy. The conversation continued with me expressing my political views which wasn't what he thought they would be. Actually we agreed on just about everything. He had this gold Texas Ranger star on his lapel. He told me put right index finger on it and he would swear me in as an honorary Texas Ranger. So now I am an honorary Texas Ranger. I found out from the cashier at the store he is Texas Ranger and serves as their chaplin. Anyway it is a complicated world and it is quite possible to fly the Confederate Flag and not be a racist. The States when they ratified the Constitution did so with the understanding and written in the Constitution itself that they had the right to pull out of the Union at any time. Texas has this understanding and deal for when they joined the Union. That war was about economics, the tax revenue the North could extort from the South. Slavery was a dying institution world wide (except in Muslim countries) and would have soon ended on its own. It's complicated.

I wrote the above BEFORE confederate posted his post on "states rights".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 11:33:37 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 11:25:08 AM

I expect a landslide unless the usual democrap voter fraud is sufficient.

Oh, It will be a landslide all right . . . . . . . . . . . . .
(:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 11:35:10 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 02, 2016, 11:31:34 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 02, 2016, 10:22:10 AM
Quote from: Confederate on November 01, 2016, 04:50:32 PM
Who gets investigated for what is a result of Dictator Hussein O's politicized administration.

Quote from: msmoby on November 02, 2016, 12:41:12 AM
Remind us who is still President and then wonder why we are laughing at you ....

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 09:02:35 AM
Who is we?

ANY ONE who can read... I wasn't aware Obama had left office, yet ...

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 09:02:35 AM
why are you even here? your posts are all nonsensical. go back to Brexit and pretend to know something about that.

Let me see:

1/ I'm not the poster with a nick that suggests he is supporter of the LOSING side in a long since finished civil war ...

2/ I actually l DO have Russian Ukrainian 'adventures ...

3/ 'Forgive me', but someone using your 'nick' is happy to post daft in the 'Brexit', thread ... :coffeeread:

I suppose you'd be the sort who would hold up a 'confederate flag' during the national anthem, in front of Black Americans - some sort of 'wack job' protest - be escorted off for trespass and think it's 'Ok' to shoot police officers because your feelings were hurt ? ...

I am a Yankee. I was traveling North on route 69 in North Texas when I encountered a tall man in his 70s-80s dressed in a black suit and cowboy hat. Somehow or another we got into a conversation at the gas station convenience store. He asked me where I was from. I pointed to the large letters on my sweater saying WISCONSIN. He goes, OH BOY! and shakes my head as if I was the enemy. The conversation continued with me expressing my political views which wasn't what he thought they would be. Actually we agreed on just about everything. He had this gold Texas Ranger star on his lapel. He told me put right index finger on it and he would swear me in as an honorary Texas Ranger. So now I am an honorary Texas Ranger. I found out from the cashier at the store he is Texas Ranger and serves as their chaplin. Anyway it is a complicated world and it is quite possible to fly the Confederate Flag and not be a racist. The States when they ratified the Constitution did so with the understanding and written in the Constitution itself that they had the right to pull out of the Union at any time. Texas has this understanding and deal for when they joined the Union. That war about economics, the tax revenue the North could extort from the South. Slavery was a dying institution world wide (except in Muslim countries) and would have soon ended on its own. It's complicated.

I wrote the above BEFORE confederate posted his post on "states rights".

you're correct about all you wrote. if we have a confederate flag it's more of an eff you to too much government meddling. there are plenty of black southerners w/ confederate flags also.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 11:35:55 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 11:18:12 AM

"Confederate" implies a belief in states rights, per our Constitution. This means I believe roe versus wade was overreach by our Supreme court, as well as a few other decisions.

So states are free to pass laws that violate the Constitution and the federal government has no recourse?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 02, 2016, 11:44:28 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 11:35:10 AM

you're correct about all you wrote. if we have a confederate flag it's more of an eff you to too much government meddling. there are plenty of black southerners w/ confederate flags also.

I wanted to but didn't get around to doing it was to fly at my Texas home an American Flag, a Confederate Flag and a Gadsden Flag ("Don't Tread on Me!"). Some people get it and some don't. I liked that I could have a rifle or shotgun on the front seat with me in Texas without worry of being arrested. I like the Texas spirit and that of a lot of other Southerners.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 02, 2016, 11:47:18 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 11:35:55 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 11:18:12 AM
"Confederate" implies a belief in states rights, per our Constitution. This means I believe roe versus wade was overreach by our Supreme court, as well as a few other decisions.

So states are free to pass laws that violate the Constitution and the federal government has no recourse?

10th Amendment.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 02, 2016, 11:58:24 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 11:18:12 AM

"Confederate" implies a belief in states rights, per our Constitution.

'Sure', it does .. I am certain my version was much more accurate and apt in your case ..

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 11:18:12 AM

This means I believe roe versus wade was overreach by our Supreme court, as well as a few other decisions. It also means I'm the opposite of a globalist. I believe local places should be run by the locals and that the USA should leave all conflicts in the middle east.

BS - you're just another small-minded, not terribly well travelled or educated hicky redneck.. Why elect a President over such diverse states if you seek micro govt. ? Trump seems quite happy to have re-built his empire in a global world.

As for abortion - I'm pro choice - in case that is a surprise and N.Ireland is the last place in the UK that needs to come out of the dark ages.

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 11:18:12 AM

Like I said before, you (moby) are incredibly thick and your attempt to paint me with other radical stuff is noted. go back to Brexit or your sofa (I also read that you're a couch surfer).

I suggested an adversity to what is deemed reasonable behaviour and if you are now receiving and acting on pms suggesting my having 'penchant for sleeping on other folks sofas' - well, then I am what you / 'they' need me to be - my feelings aren't easily hurt :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 12:50:15 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 02, 2016, 11:47:18 AM

10th Amendment.

The 10th Ammednment doesn't allow states to violate the Constitution.

That's why Jim Crow laws were overturned.

States made laws that said black people cannot vote. That was declared unconstitutional by the federal courts. Therefore the law is null and void.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 01:00:44 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 11:35:55 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 11:18:12 AM
"Confederate" implies a belief in states rights, per our Constitution. This means I believe roe versus wade was overreach by our Supreme court, as well as a few other decisions.

So states are free to pass laws that violate the Constitution and the federal government has no recourse?

So the federal government is free to pass laws that violate states rights and the states have no recourse?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 01:06:14 PM

Quote from: msmoby on November 02, 2016, 11:58:24 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 11:18:12 AM
"Confederate" implies a belief in states rights, per our Constitution.

'Sure', it does .. I am certain my version was much more accurate and apt in your case ..

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 11:18:12 AM

This means I believe roe versus wade was overreach by our Supreme court, as well as a few other decisions. It also means I'm the opposite of a globalist. I believe local places should be run by the locals and that the USA should leave all conflicts in the middle east.

BS - you're just another small-minded, not terribly well travelled or educated hicky redneck.. Why elect a President over such diverse states if you seek micro govt. ? Trump seems quite happy to have re-built his empire in a global world.

As for abortion - I'm pro choice - in case that is a surprise and N.Ireland is the last place in the UK that needs to come out of the dark ages.

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 11:18:12 AM
Like I said before, you (moby) are incredibly thick and your attempt to paint me with other radical stuff is noted. go back to Brexit or your sofa (I also read that you're a couch surfer).

I suggested an adversity to what is deemed reasonable behaviour and if you are now receiving and acting on pms suggesting my having 'penchant for sleeping on other folks sofas' - well, then I am what you / 'they' need me to be - my feelings aren't easily hurt :chuckle:

You're a jackass and anyone who believes that grinding up a living baby like it is strawberries in a blender cannot claim to be educated. On the contrary since you believe in genocide of the most helpless persons in society you're far from an educated person. :fighting0025:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 02, 2016, 01:11:21 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 01:00:44 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 11:35:55 AM
Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 11:18:12 AM
"Confederate" implies a belief in states rights, per our Constitution. This means I believe roe versus wade was overreach by our Supreme court, as well as a few other decisions.

So states are free to pass laws that violate the Constitution and the federal government has no recourse?

So the federal government is free to pass laws that violate states rights and the states have no recourse?

The could try to leave the Union as was the original intention of the Founding Fathers on matters such as this. And those who didn't like the laws could move to another State.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 01:18:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 01:00:44 PM

So the federal government is free to pass laws that violate states rights and the states have no recourse?

If courts determine that the action required by the federal law is justified by the Constitution . . . . . . .

Yes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 01:22:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 01:18:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 01:00:44 PM
So the federal government is free to pass laws that violate states rights and the states have no recourse?

If courts determine that the action required by the federal law is justified by the Constitution . . . . . . .

Yes.

No. the courts have been stacked by "liberal" judges who do not respect or uphold the Constitution. what they do is interpret it against the wishes of the people and what they do is contrary to the Constitution. the federal government is supposed to serve the will of the people not the other way around.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 01:31:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 11:17:25 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 02, 2016, 11:13:15 AM
The LA Times leans approximately six points to the Right. Of course, it's a moot point since you don't believe in polls.

Doesn't make any difference.

He might win Florida and Ohio.

But if he loses North Carolina (almost a certainty) he's toast.

Hillary cannot even get a crowd of supporters which is larger than protesters opposed to her. Of course you claim it's already decided. who do you work for, Robert Creamer? :dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 01:48:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 01:22:50 PM

No. the courts have been stacked by "liberal" judges who do not respect or uphold the Constitution. what they do is interpret it against the wishes of the people and what they do is contrary to the Constitution. the federal government is supposed to serve the will of the people not the other way around.

So how do we change that?

We nominate a candidate for President who actually has a chance to win the election and then he/she nominates judges that more reflect a strict interpretation of the Constitution.

And what did you Trumpsters do?

You took your eye off the ball. Instead of realizing that beating Hillary Clinton was the only goal that mattered in the 2016 election and thereby necessitating that the Republican Party nominate a candidate that would be certain to beat the most flawed Democratic candidate in our lifetime, you nominated a political nincompoop who has a borderline narcissistic personality disorder as the Republican candidate for President in 2016.

Blame yourself for the composition for the courts.

Your ilk stupidly nominated Trump. Be proud of the consequences of that action.

You earned it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 02, 2016, 01:49:55 PM

Back to the original topic.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-11-02%20at%204.37.25%20PM_zps9ra0jx4w.png)

"A moment of history is occurring right in front of us and I am proud to explain it to you."

Dr. Steve Pieczenik, MD, PhD American psychiatrist. Cornell University, Harvard Medical School, MIT. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for management. At the US State Department, he served as a "specialist on hostage taking". He has been credited with devising successful negotiating strategies and tactics used in several high-profile hostage situations, including the 1976 TWA Flight 355 hostage situation and the 1977 kidnapping of the son of Cyprus' president. He was involved in negotiations for the release of Aldo Moro after Moro was kidnapped. Pieczenik is fluent in five languages, including Russian, Spanish and French. Claims to have overthrown 8 governments. On September 17, 1978 the Camp David Accords were signed. Pieczenik was at the secret Camp David negotiations leading up to the signing of the Accords. He worked out strategy and tactics based on psychopolitical dynamics. He correctly predicted that given their common backgrounds, Egyptian President Anwar El Sadat and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin would get along. Steve Pieczenik was the inspiration for the character 'Jack Ryan' by the best selling author Tom Clancy.

Dr. Steve Pieczenik says, that what is going on with this election is a counter coup to the coup of the Clintons. Himself and others in the Intelligence community have informally gotten together and created a soft silent counter coup through Julian Assange and Wikileaks. It was they who fed the information to Assange for his Wikileaks dumps. They are say they are doing it to "save the Republic" from the Clinton/Obama corruption. To stop this...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 02, 2016, 02:57:05 PM

So, shakespear, once again, who is this invisible paragon? The person who nobody knows, nobody has seen, yet is more popular than the most voted for Republican nominee in history?

Why with this inability to see what is in front of you?

If the most popular candidate the Republican party has ever fielded is not popular enough to win the general election then just who is?

One is, of course curious as to why this invisible person chose to not stand for election. If this hugely popular, yet invisible, person did not put themself forward perhaps this person does not actually exist?

Keen to finally hear your suggestions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 03:57:57 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 02, 2016, 02:57:05 PM

So, shakespear, once again, who is this invisible paragon? The person who nobody knows, nobody has seen, yet is more popular than the most voted for Republican nominee in history?

Why with this inability to see what is in front of you?

If the most popular candidate the Republican party has ever fielded is not popular enough to win the general election then just who is?

One is, of course curious as to why this invisible person chose to not stand for election. If this hugely popular, yet invisible, person did not put themself forward perhaps this person does not actually exist?

Keen to finally hear your suggestions.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 04:33:02 PM

Maxx,

I watched the video you posted by Steve Pieczenik, very interesting. No doubt somebody at the FBI does not like the Clintons and releasing the information about fugitive financier Marc who was pardoned proves it. Today even more damaging files were released: the file on the Vince Foster death. I think it's safe to say that this is the FBI's way of fighting back against the Clinton corruption.

https://vault.fbi.gov/vincent-foster

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 04:52:38 PM

meanwhile Tim Kaine gets a whopping crowd of 15 people to see him speak. but according to Shakespeare and the main street media Hillary is in the lead and going to win. :ROFL:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/15-people-line-see-tim-kaine-dubuque-iowa/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 02, 2016, 05:28:58 PM

These are the rumors I am hearing.

Barrak and Michelle are not doing anything with Hillary's Facebook and Twitter accounts like they used to. They have stopped campaigning for her.

Wikileaks is holding back the most damaging stuff for last. The hope is it will damage Hillary and be timed for release so as not to give the Democrats enough time to get another candidate.

NYPD has some pedofile stuff on Bill and... Hillary. Apparently they have similar tastes in girls. There is that whole Jeffry Epstein thing 'Air :censored: One' the Lolita Express and the island.

Again, just rumors.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 02, 2016, 05:55:16 PM

Ted Cruz has proven to be a bigger man than kasich, and some of the other top republicans that have refused to back Trump.
Had ALL the republicans United for the common cause of defeating Hillary and the democratic candidates across the country, the end result would have been a stronger showing across the board.

Ted Cruz to Campaign with Gov. Mike Pence for Trump-Pence Ticket in Iowa, Michigan

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/02/ted-cruz-to-campaign-with-gov-mike-pence-for-trump-pence-ticket-in-iowa-michigan/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 06:01:16 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 02, 2016, 05:55:16 PM

Ted Cruz has proven to be a bigger man than kasich, and some of the other top republicans that have refused to back Trump.
Had ALL the republicans United for the common cause of defeating Hillary and the democratic candidates across the country, the end result would have been a stronger showing across the board.

Ted Cruz to Campaign with Gov. Mike Pence for Trump-Pence Ticket in Iowa, Michigan

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/02/ted-cruz-to-campaign-with-gov-mike-pence-for-trump-pence-ticket-in-iowa-michigan/

Mike Pence is a class act and if someone doesn't like Trump they should at least be happy in his choice of a VP. Glad to see Cruz on board. Kasich a tpp guy and RINO. Any good Republican would unite behind the ticket like Cruz has done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 02, 2016, 06:08:02 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 01:00:30 AM

It seems that Obama and Biden have now cancelled all public appearances where they were due to support Clinton.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/11/02/north-carolina-obama-appeals-gop-voters/93160264/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 06:15:14 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 02, 2016, 06:08:02 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 01:00:30 AM
It seems that Obama and Biden have now cancelled all public appearances where they were due to support Clinton.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/11/02/north-carolina-obama-appeals-gop-voters/93160264/

Obama "appeals to GOP voters to cross party lines and vote for Clinton". :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

what planet are you from???

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 02, 2016, 06:22:08 PM

^ I'm from the planet that frowns on inbreeding.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 06:29:15 PM

Huge Trump rally in Pensacola, Florida. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 06:32:00 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 02, 2016, 05:28:58 PM

These are the rumors I am hearing.

Barrak and Michelle are not doing anything with Hillary's Facebook and Twitter accounts like they used to. They have stopped campaigning for her.

Wikileaks is holding back the most damaging stuff for last. The hope is it will damage Hillary and be timed for release so as not to give the Democrats enough time to get another candidate.

NYPD has some pedofile stuff on Bill and... Hillary. Apparently they have similar tastes in girls. There is that whole Jeffry Epstein thing 'Air :censored: One' the Lolita Express and the island.

Again, just rumors.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 02, 2016, 06:34:56 PM

Don't know if this was mentioned today?
But it's looking like Hillary's days may be numbered.

Bret Baier: FBI Sources Believe Clinton Foundation Case Moving Towards "Likely an Indictment

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 06:44:25 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 02, 2016, 06:34:56 PM

Don't know if this was mentioned today?
But it's looking like Hillary's days may be numbered.

Bret Baier: FBI Sources Believe Clinton Foundation Case Moving Towards "Likely an Indictment

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html

The laptops have "definitively" not been destroyed. but Shillary is. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 06:55:13 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 02, 2016, 02:57:05 PM

If the most popular candidate the Republican party has ever fielded is not popular enough to win the general election then just who is?

The answer is obvious.

Trump only got 35% of the Republican primary vote. He may very well have received more votes than any previous primary candidate in history BUT 65% of Republican voters voted for someone other than Trump.

17 candidates in the race and rules that allowed "winner take all" for primary delegates who got the most votes enabled Trump to steal the nomination.

In addition, it is pretty clear that many of those Trump votes were "Trojan Horse" votes by Democrats doing what they could to give Hillary Clinton the most beatable opponent possible.

Polls in the Spring of 2016 showed John Kasich beating Clinton in a head-to-head election from between 7-12%. Had the Republican Party been keeping their "eye on the ball" he should have been the candidate instead of Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on November 02, 2016, 06:57:11 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 02, 2016, 06:34:56 PM

Don't know if this was mentioned today?
But it's looking like Hillary's days may be numbered.

Bret Baier: FBI Sources Believe Clinton Foundation Case Moving Towards "Likely an Indictment

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/02/fbi_sources_tell_fox_news_indictment_likely_in_clinton_foundation_case.html

Could be why Obama was urging people to vote early in Tom's link... before the shyte hits the fan. Going to be an interesting week! :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 07:10:29 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 02, 2016, 06:22:08 PM

^ I'm from the planet that frowns on inbreeding.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 07:45:38 PM

For those who like polls. Trump leading Clinton by one point in new ABC national poll. Clinton takes an 8 point dive in "voter enthusiasm" for herself.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 08:19:12 PM

Cleveland Indians just scored 2 runs on a home run in the 8th inning, we now have a tie game in the world series.

Chicago Cubs 6 Cleveland Indians 6.

At least somebody will win the world series tonight.

our Halloween like election should be over November 8 however nothing would surprise me at this point. :hidechair:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 02, 2016, 08:20:13 PM

A lower turnout of black voters will cut into Hillary's voter base.

Black Turnout Soft in Early Voting, Boding Ill for Hillary Clinton

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/us/politics/black-turnout-falls-in-early-voting-boding-ill-for-hillary-clinton.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 08:25:59 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 08:19:12 PM

Cleveland Indians just scored 2 runs on a home run in the 8th inning, we now have a tie game in the world series.

Chicago Cubs 6 Cleveland Indians 6.

At least somebody will win the world series tonight.

our Halloween like election should be over November 8 however nothing would surprise me at this point. :hidechair:

GREAT SERIES!

Its a shame one of these two deserving teams must lose.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 08:26:21 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 02, 2016, 08:20:13 PM

A lower turnout of black voters will cut into Hillary's voter base.

Black Turnout Soft in Early Voting, Boding Ill for Hillary Clinton

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/us/politics/black-turnout-falls-in-early-voting-boding-ill-for-hillary-clinton.html

Worse than that I believe Trump will actually get a much higher percentage of black voters than Romney did. Blacks like a Boss who is a winner and that's Trump plus they're finally catching on that Democraps have been using them badly.

Trump also picking up most independent voters and plenty of blue-dog Democrats.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 08:28:33 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 08:25:59 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 08:19:12 PM
Cleveland Indians just scored 2 runs on a home run in the 8th inning, we now have a tie game in the world series.

Chicago Cubs 6 Cleveland Indians 6.

At least somebody will win the world series tonight.

our Halloween like election should be over November 8 however nothing would surprise me at this point. :hidechair:

GREAT SERIES!

Its a shame one of these two deserving teams must lose.

Yes, WE AGREE on this!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2016, 09:28:33 PM

TREASON and ESPIONAGE being investigated by the FBI in re Weiner's laptop, a larger home computer and a ROUTER.
(I previously mentioned the theory that Huma Abedin has ties to the Muslim brotherhood and the theory she has been selling classified information to Saudi Arabia and possibly other countries)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 03, 2016, 12:43:04 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 09:28:33 PM

TREASON and ESPIONAGE being investigated by the FBI in re Weiner's laptop, a larger home computer and a ROUTER.
(I previously mentioned the theory that Huma Abedin has ties to the Muslim brotherhood and the theory she has been selling classified information to Saudi Arabia and possibly other countries)

I watched the link. The real issue, as pointed out, that will grab the public's attention is the sexual criminality. Trump's lewd mouth will seem like nothing in compared to what will be revealed about the Clintons.

The coming days have the potential of developing into dangerous times. I see a lot of desperate and angry people.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 03, 2016, 03:34:24 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 02, 2016, 01:49:55 PM

Back to the original topic.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-11-02%20at%204.37.25%20PM_zps9ra0jx4w.png)

"A moment of history is occurring right in front of us and I am proud to explain it to you."

Hmmm... that it appeared on Drudge gives it some credibility but what?

Look, I think that most would agree that Comey's presentation when he said that the FBI would not seek prosecution a few weeks ago did as much as he could to tell us that Clinton was guilty and that he'd been nobbled.

I am sure that there are competing factions in the US 'deep state', just look at what is going on in Syria. You have CIA operatives shooting at US military operatives. You have state department agreements being broken by the military, leaking and counter leaking going on all over the place.

The whole thing is a mess.

Do I think that Comey (and the entire senior management of the FBI were under pressure to act against Clinton? Yes, absolutely.
Do I think that the DoJ has been, and will continue to impede any investigation? Yes, absolutely.
Do I think that Team Trump and Team Clinton represent two opposing factions of the deep state? Again, yes, absolutely!

However I do not think there has been any kind of 'coup' and I do not think this bloke speaks on behalf of anyone except himself or his sponsors. He is just a narrative element put into play to strengthen a case being promoted by somebody or some organisation.

But, I think that many of the elements of which he speaks are real, see my points above! He is, I think, somewhat akin to the protagonist in some movies, the guy who us the audience's representative in the narrative, the observer who sees on our behalf, explains stuff for us, the 'Meta Guy', for example in the Austin Powers movies, Dr. Evil's son, Scott, is the Meta Guy.

The bloke, Steve Pieczenik, has the task of explaining to us what is going on and, in order to make matters easier to understand he takes on a role in the plot to personalise matters. Does he even exist in real life? The truth is that if what he told us, the factual matters, was presented in written form as a report without the storytelling then most USAians would simply not bother to read it and of those who did most would not understand it. Make it a story, give it personality and drama and it gets lapped up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 05:52:46 AM

WikiLeaks' Assange: Hacked Clinton Emails Did Not Come From Russia

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/756792?section=Newsfront&keywords=Julian-Assange-Hacked-Emails-Clinton&year=2016&month=11&date=03&id=756792&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=www.google.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 03, 2016, 07:36:43 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 03, 2016, 03:34:24 AM

Quote from: Andrewfi on November 02, 2016, 01:49:55 PM

The bloke, Steve Pieczenik, has the task of explaining to us what is going on and, in order to make matters easier to understand he takes on a role in the plot to personalise matters. Does he even exist in real life? The truth is that if what he told us, the factual matters, was presented in written form as a report without the storytelling then most USAians would simply not bother to read it and of those who did most would not understand it. Make it a story, give it personality and drama and it gets lapped up.

From Wikipedia: "His expertise includes foreign policy, international crisis management and psychological warfare.[7]"

"In 1978, Pieczenik was known as "a psychiatrist and political scientist in the U.S. State Department whose credentials and experiences are probably unique among officials handling terrorist situations".[2]"

as a business partner of Tom Clancy for several series of novels.[25]
He studied medicine and writing, beginning with drama and poetry. But eventually "I turned to fiction because it allows me to address reality as it is or could be."[3]

Pieczenik has had at least two articles published in the American Intelligence Journal, a peer-reviewed journal published by the National Military Intelligence Association.[29]

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2016, 08:36:46 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 03, 2016, 12:43:04 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 09:28:33 PM
TREASON and ESPIONAGE being investigated by the FBI in re Weiner's laptop, a larger home computer and a ROUTER.
(I previously mentioned the theory that Huma Abedin has ties to the Muslim brotherhood and the theory she has been selling classified information to Saudi Arabia and possibly other countries)

I watched the link. The real issue, as pointed out, that will grab the public's attention is the sexual criminality. Trump's lewd mouth will seem like nothing in compared to what will be revealed about the Clintons.

The coming days have the potential of developing into dangerous times. I see a lot of desperate and angry people.

As Doug Schoen said if Clinton were to win there will be a "Constitutional Crisis" as rank and file FBI agents are up in arms against her and want her indicted. Right away she would be facing impeachment by Congress.

When Trump wins there is a possibility that Obama may try some sort of trick to delay him getting into office.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/breaking-former-clinton-pollster-doug-schoen-withdraws-support-hillary-renewed-fbi-investigation/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2016, 08:42:14 AM

The FBI has found an avalanche of corruption evidence against the Clinton foundation but they are worried that the Justice department will hinder an indictment.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3901376/Secret-recordings-fueled-FBI-s-desire-probe-Clinton-Foundation-case-moves-likely-indictment.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2016, 09:10:21 AM

go Trump!

https://twitter.com/JaredWyand/status/793934801099030528

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 03, 2016, 09:21:43 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 03, 2016, 08:36:46 AM

When Trump wins there is a possibility that Obama may try some sort of trick to delay him getting into office.

In that case Obama will send the BLM folks out into the street. Then declare marshall law against the people trying to defend themselves.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2016, 09:27:57 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 03, 2016, 03:34:24 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 02, 2016, 01:49:55 PM
Back to the original topic.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-11-02%20at%204.37.25%20PM_zps9ra0jx4w.png)

"A moment of history is occurring right in front of us and I am proud to explain it to you."

Hmmm... that it appeared on Drudge gives it some credibility but what?

Look, I think that most would agree that Comey's presentation when he said that the FBI would not seek prosecution a few weeks ago did as much as he could to tell us that Clinton was guilty and that he'd been nobbled.

I am sure that there are competing factions in the US 'deep state', just look at what is going on in Syria. You have CIA operatives shooting at US military operatives. You have state department agreements being broken by the military, leaking and counter leaking going on all over the place.

The whole thing is a mess.

Do I think that Comey (and the entire senior management of the FBI were under pressure to act against Clinton? Yes, absolutely.
Do I think that the DoJ has been, and will continue to impede any investigation? Yes, absolutely.
Do I think that Team Trump and Team Clinton represent two opposing factions of the deep state? Again, yes, absolutely!

However I do not think there has been any kind of 'coup' and I do not think this bloke speaks on behalf of anyone except himself or his sponsors. He is just a narrative element put into play to strengthen a case being promoted by somebody or some organisation.

But, I think that many of the elements of which he speaks are real, see my points above! He is, I think, somewhat akin to the protagonist in some movies, the guy who us the audience's representative in the narrative, the observer who sees on our behalf, explains stuff for us, the 'Meta Guy', for example in the Austin Powers movies, Dr. Evil's son, Scott, is the Meta Guy.

The bloke, Steve Pieczenik, has the task of explaining to us what is going on and, in order to make matters easier to understand he takes on a role in the plot to personalise matters. Does he even exist in real life? The truth is that if what he told us, the factual matters, was presented in written form as a report without the storytelling then most USAians would simply not bother to read it and of those who did most would not understand it. Make it a story, give it personality and drama and it gets lapped up.

I'm not sure I will call it a "coup" as of yet however there is definitely a big fight going on between the FBI and Lynch's Justice department. Who wins will determine the immediate future of our country but this battle may just be beginning.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/03/secret-recordings-at-center-of-fbi-feud-with-doj-over-clinton-foundation-probe/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2016, 12:10:56 PM

This from the twitter account of Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker. (this probably applies for the people in favor of Brexit as well)

"Gov. Scott Walker spent his 49th birthday speaking to College Republicans Wednesday about the fundamental differences between Republicans and Democrats in light of the Nov. 8 elections.

Walker said Democrats believe in top-down government solutions while Republicans believe in ground-up individual action. He said that as long as people don’t hurt the health and safety of their neighbors, they should be able to control their own lives.

“We want to do it ourselves,” Walker said. “And as a Republican, we should be able to proudly tell people that we believe government should be limited to the things that we cannot do on our own.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 03, 2016, 04:46:41 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 01:00:30 AM

It seems that Obama and Biden have now cancelled all public appearances where they were due to support Clinton.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/President-Obama-Campaigns-for-Hillary-Clinton-in-Miami-399833171.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 05:19:42 PM

AP To Clinton Campaign: We Are Preparing To Report FBI Has Thumb Drive, But Can Be Steered Away

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-03/wikileaks-releases-doj-fbi-huma-special-podesta-emails

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 05:56:02 PM

I'm really not that surprised at the numbers of campaign signs for Trump,Pence I am seeing. The last few weeks they're popping up everywhere.
What is surprising is I can honestly say I have yet to see a single sign for Hillary..
In general conversation I have yet to hear anyone admit to be voting for Hillary.
I had one facebook friend make a negative post about Trump, in return he was bombarded with a reality check from several Trump supporters, only one Hillary supporter tried to back him up.
Again I will go on record as saying Donald Trump is gonna be the president elect come next week.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2016, 06:04:10 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 05:56:02 PM

I'm really not that surprised at the numbers of campaign signs for Trump,Pence I am seeing. The last few weeks they're popping up everywhere.
What is surprising is I can honestly say I have yet to see a single sign for Hillary..
In general conversation I have yet to hear anyone admit to be voting for Hillary.
I had one facebook friend make a negative post about Trump, in return he was bombarded with a reality check from several Trump supporters, only one Hillary supporter tried to back him up.
Again I will go on record as saying Donald Trump is gonna be the president elect come next week.

I don't think there is much doubt Trump will win a majority of the popular vote, the problem is that it is electoral votes which elect a President and the way that system is set up favors Democrats. It's still a close race.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 03, 2016, 06:07:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 05:56:02 PM

Again I will go on record as saying Donald Trump is gonna be the president elect come next week.

This is incrementally less ridiculous than predicting a "hog slaughter."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2016, 06:09:31 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 03, 2016, 04:46:41 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 01:00:30 AM
It seems that Obama and Biden have now cancelled all public appearances where they were due to support Clinton.

http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/President-Obama-Campaigns-for-Hillary-Clinton-in-Miami-399833171.html

Hussein O. is also giving out lots of free Kool-Aid for the chumps.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-states-2016-election/2016/10/poll-trump-clinton-florida-230322

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 06:10:33 PM

The Dallas IRS Office That's Quietly Determining the Fate of the Clinton Foundation

http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-dallas-irs-office-thats-quietly-determining-the-fate-of-the-clinton-foundation-8864404

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2016, 06:19:33 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 06:10:33 PM

The Dallas IRS Office That's Quietly Determining the Fate of the Clinton Foundation

http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/the-dallas-irs-office-thats-quietly-determining-the-fate-of-the-clinton-foundation-8864404

If on the rare chance she gets elected it's going to be a very rough first year or two until she either gets impeached or has to resign due to health problems. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2016, 06:22:04 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 03, 2016, 06:07:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 05:56:02 PM
Again I will go on record as saying Donald Trump is gonna be the president elect come next week.

This is incrementally less ridiculous than predicting a "hog slaughter."

dear Santa,

this year I am wanting an early Christmas present. I would really like a hog slaughter in favor of Trump on November 8th. do this small favor for me and no need for any other presents on Christmas. but I will still set some milk and cookies out for you.

your buddie,

Cletus.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 03, 2016, 06:24:57 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 05:56:02 PM

I'm really not that surprised at the numbers of campaign signs for Trump,Pence I am seeing. The last few weeks they're popping up everywhere.
What is surprising is I can honestly say I have yet to see a single sign for Hillary..
In general conversation I have yet to hear anyone admit to be voting for Hillary.
I had one facebook friend make a negative post about Trump, in return he was bombarded with a reality check from several Trump supporters, only one Hillary supporter tried to back him up.
Again I will go on record as saying Donald Trump is gonna be the president elect come next week.

Here in liberal Western Wisconsin I see Hillary signs 2 to 1 against Trump. But what is really strange is for every Hillary/Kaine sign I see, I see no Hillary/Kaine signs in other clusters of Democrat signs on peoples' lawns. I heard a survey was taken among Democrats and 40% of them said they were weak in their support for Hillary. Another survey was taken among them and 70+% of them would rather have Obama for a third term. Support for Hillary is very lukewarm.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 06:33:56 PM

Wonder how many people will stay home on November 8th because they have already text voted for Hillary?
Yes some people fell for that. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 06:45:00 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 03, 2016, 06:24:57 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 05:56:02 PM
I'm really not that surprised at the numbers of campaign signs for Trump,Pence I am seeing. The last few weeks they're popping up everywhere.
What is surprising is I can honestly say I have yet to see a single sign for Hillary..
In general conversation I have yet to hear anyone admit to be voting for Hillary.
I had one facebook friend make a negative post about Trump, in return he was bombarded with a reality check from several Trump supporters, only one Hillary supporter tried to back him up.
Again I will go on record as saying Donald Trump is gonna be the president elect come next week.

Here in liberal Western Wisconsin I see Hillary signs 2 to 1 against Trump. But what is really strange is for every Hillary/Kaine sign I see, I see no Hillary/Kaine signs in other clusters of Democrat signs on peoples' lawns. I heard a survey was taken among Democrats and 40% of them said they were weak in their support for Hillary. Another survey was taken among them and 70+% of them would rather have Obama for a third term. Support for Hillary is very lukewarm.

I live in the north metro area of the Twin cities, which has a good percentage of republicans, had I do travel all over the cities for work so my observations cover a large area that is democratic as well.
I don't think Hillary has a lock on the vote in Minnesota just don't find people excited about her.

Trump on the other hand, people seem to be taking about him, and really want him to win.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2016, 07:13:50 PM

Maxx already posted about this. hard to believe but with Bill Clinton I suppose almost anything is possible.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2016, 08:07:30 PM

South Carolina Governor will vote for Trump due to better policy positions versus Clinton.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2016, 08:20:57 PM

hey Maxx, this guy thinks Steve Pieczenik is full of bull crap.

He makes some excellent points and says that Pieczenik is more than likely a disinformation shill for the Clintons to take your mind off of their actual crimes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2016, 08:45:47 PM

A day late and a dollar short. CNN chief denounces Donna Brazille.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cnn-donna-brazile-jeff-zucker_us_58189c8de4b064e1b4b4ba02

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2016, 09:53:27 PM

Rick Santorum unloads on RINO's Kasich and Bush for not voting Trump.

http://electionnewschannel.com/elections/109640-rick-santorum-unloads-on-john-kasich-jeb-bush-for-not-voting-for-donald-trump-shame-on-them

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 12:55:17 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 03, 2016, 06:07:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 05:56:02 PM
Again I will go on record as saying Donald Trump is gonna be the president elect come next week.

This is incrementally less ridiculous than predicting a "hog slaughter."

Does the person who said that offend your genteel sensibilities?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 04, 2016, 02:03:00 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 06:45:00 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 03, 2016, 06:24:57 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 05:56:02 PM
I'm really not that surprised at the numbers of campaign signs for Trump,Pence I am seeing. The last few weeks they're popping up everywhere.
What is surprising is I can honestly say I have yet to see a single sign for Hillary..
In general conversation I have yet to hear anyone admit to be voting for Hillary.
I had one facebook friend make a negative post about Trump, in return he was bombarded with a reality check from several Trump supporters, only one Hillary supporter tried to back him up.
Again I will go on record as saying Donald Trump is gonna be the president elect come next week.

Here in liberal Western Wisconsin I see Hillary signs 2 to 1 against Trump. But what is really strange is for every Hillary/Kaine sign I see, I see no Hillary/Kaine signs in other clusters of Democrat signs on peoples' lawns. I heard a survey was taken among Democrats and 40% of them said they were weak in their support for Hillary. Another survey was taken among them and 70+% of them would rather have Obama for a third term. Support for Hillary is very lukewarm.

I live in the north metro area of the Twin cities, which has a good percentage of republicans, had I do travel all over the cities for work so my observations cover a large area that is democratic as well.
I don't think Hillary has a lock on the vote in Minnesota just don't find people excited about her.

Trump on the other hand, people seem to be taking about him, and really want him to win.

A note of caution here. A few years back during the Scottish independence referendum, most folks I spoke with, public opinion on social media and yes signs all over the country suggested it was a done deal.

Voting began and the silent elderly came out and crossed the no box. Yes lost 45%/55% when the night before felt like a landslide victory and a new dawn for Scotland.

My point is, you don't have a clue what the silent majority are thinking but you can see what the active minority want.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 04, 2016, 02:09:27 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 03, 2016, 08:45:47 PM

A day late and a dollar short. CNN chief denounces Donna Brazille.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cnn-donna-brazile-jeff-zucker_us_58189c8de4b064e1b4b4ba02

Scott Adams was making a similar comparison yesterday CLICK HERE! (http://back.ly/2E3j) This is why sometimes I find it hard to understand how people think, because the world they are programed to see is much more limited than what others see. For example, most USAians will be blissfully unaware of anything that Clinton has been shown to have done wrong, will know nothing of the illegal and possibly treasonous acts of Clinton and those she pays and certainly nothing of the manner in which the Clinton campaign keeps significant, large, voices in the media in their pocket.

It is almost like trying to describe the colour of a strawberry to a colour blind bloke.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Danchik on November 04, 2016, 02:39:07 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 02, 2016, 01:48:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 02, 2016, 01:22:50 PM
No. the courts have been stacked by "liberal" judges who do not respect or uphold the Constitution. what they do is interpret it against the wishes of the people and what they do is contrary to the Constitution. the federal government is supposed to serve the will of the people not the other way around.

So how do we change that?

We nominate a candidate for President who actually has a chance to win the election and then he/she nominates judges that more reflect a strict interpretation of the Constitution.

And what did you Trumpsters do?

You took your eye off the ball. Instead of realizing that beating Hillary Clinton was the only goal that mattered in the 2016 election and thereby necessitating that the Republican Party nominate a candidate that would be certain to beat the most flawed Democratic candidate in our lifetime, you nominated a political nincompoop who has a borderline narcissistic personality disorder as the Republican candidate for President in 2016.

Blame yourself for the composition for the courts.

Your ilk stupidly nominated Trump. Be proud of the consequences of that action.

You earned it.

You just don't get it, and I'm hardly surprised.

I have purposely stayed out of this thread because, well, it's politics.

The fact that Trump is the nominee is because republicans AND democrats have taken their "eye off the ball".

Trump represents a movement, and really, many of you old school repubs and demos need to change your old stodgy ways. But, as usual, you refuse to take the blame and point the finger at someone else when it is you and your ilk that have perpetrated our current political and economic situation. People are flat out sick of it and it is EXACTLY why Trump is where he is today..

If you, or anyone else thinks the "Trumpsters" are a bunch of idiots, think again. Here, finally, a voice of reason from a very smart guy and a great speech on the BS that is the American governmental system.

Trump may lose, but the groundswell is not going away IMO.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2016, 07:57:17 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 04, 2016, 02:09:27 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 03, 2016, 08:45:47 PM
A day late and a dollar short. CNN chief denounces Donna Brazille.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cnn-donna-brazile-jeff-zucker_us_58189c8de4b064e1b4b4ba02

Scott Adams was making a similar comparison yesterday CLICK HERE! (http://back.ly/2E3j) This is why sometimes I find it hard to understand how people think, because the world they are programed to see is much more limited than what others see. For example, most USAians will be blissfully unaware of anything that Clinton has been shown to have done wrong, will know nothing of the illegal and possibly treasonous acts of Clinton and those she pays and certainly nothing of the manner in which the Clinton campaign keeps significant, large, voices in the media in their pocket.

It is almost like trying to describe the colour of a strawberry to a colour blind bloke.

The Scott Adams comparison you made is a very good one. It's truly like two different Universes. I live in an alternate Universe compared to a Clinton supporter. Although there might be a small amount of propaganda in my universe it is nowhere near the level of what is going on in their universe.

I liked how he talked about CNN allegedly covering an election with two candidates. But they don't do it. It's all about criticizing the FBI director and blaming the Russians. Clinton never bears any responsibility for her actions. Serious journalism never occurs. Project Veritas for example as far as I know was never even covered on CNN.

There is no mention that her foundation has taken millions from Arab countries which mistreat women. Everything is soft and dopey when it comes to her, but 11 years ago Trump said bad things. Her actions never had a light shined on them. Actions she has committed simply don't matter as they are rarely if ever discussed.

Her nomination has been described as a coronation and it's a good way to describe it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 08:11:21 AM

There is an agenda afoot. The last one was to have the first black President. Now its about having the first woman. Never mind the calibre of the candidate, the USA must give in to feminist ideology.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 08:17:19 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 08:11:21 AM

There is an agenda afoot. The last one was to have the first black President. Now its about having the first woman. Never mind the calibre of the candidate, the USA must give in to feminist ideology.

Apart from having to squat for a piss, there is nothing "Feminine" about HC... :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2016, 09:13:00 AM

Read this article and notice how they call a militia "extremist". This is how the left wing hacks label groups which our forefathers respected and encouraged. there would be no fear of these groups nor would the groups fear the govt. except that for decades our government has been overstepping their bounds. Just look at what Bill Clinton did at Waco, TX. Men women and children were burned alive because of that jackass.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/a-militia-gets-battle-ready-for-a-%E2%80%98gun-grabbing%E2%80%99-clinton-presidency/ar-AAjSSa0?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

http://www.islandone.org/Politics/Waco.McCurry.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 09:24:11 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 08:17:19 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 08:11:21 AM
There is an agenda afoot. The last one was to have the first black President. Now its about having the first woman. Never mind the calibre of the candidate, the USA must give in to feminist ideology.

Apart from having to squat for a piss, there is nothing "Feminine" about HC... :chuckle:

A feminist doesn't have to squat to take a piss.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 04, 2016, 10:46:11 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 04, 2016, 02:03:00 AM

A note of caution here. A few years back during the Scottish independence referendum, most folks I spoke with, public opinion on social media and yes signs all over the country suggested it was a done deal.

Voting began and the silent elderly came out and crossed the no box. Yes lost 45%/55% when the night before felt like a landslide victory and a new dawn for Scotland.

My point is, you don't have a clue what the silent majority are thinking but you can see what the active minority want.

Anecdotal evidence can be wrong? Who would have thought?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2016, 11:07:41 AM

Could truckers put Trump over the top?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/12/could-enough-truckers-for-trump-put-him-in-the-white-house.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2016, 11:11:12 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 04, 2016, 10:46:11 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 04, 2016, 02:03:00 AM
A note of caution here. A few years back during the Scottish independence referendum, most folks I spoke with, public opinion on social media and yes signs all over the country suggested it was a done deal.

Voting began and the silent elderly came out and crossed the no box. Yes lost 45%/55% when the night before felt like a landslide victory and a new dawn for Scotland.

My point is, you don't have a clue what the silent majority are thinking but you can see what the active minority want.

Anecdotal evidence can be wrong? Who would have thought?

Are CNN polls anecdotal? Who would have thought?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2016, 11:51:22 AM

Corruption at the US Dept. of "Justice". (in the Hussein O. dictatorship, not really a surprise)

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-clinton-campaign-at-obama-justice-1478216727

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2016, 11:54:01 AM

Bizzare occult ritual "cooking" just the latest scam of the Clinton campaign. you really can't make this stuff up!

http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-election-493995/leaked-email-appears-to-link-clinton-15270858/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 11:58:57 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 09:24:11 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 08:11:21 AM
There is an agenda afoot. The last one was to have the first black President. Now its about having the first woman. Never mind the calibre of the candidate, the USA must give in to feminist ideology.

Apart from having to squat for a piss, there is nothing "Feminine" about HC... :chuckle:
A feminist doesn't have to squat to take a piss.

She has to squat, else she'll fall over from all her illnesses...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 12:37:44 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 11:58:57 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 09:24:11 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 08:11:21 AM
There is an agenda afoot. The last one was to have the first black President. Now its about having the first woman. Never mind the calibre of the candidate, the USA must give in to feminist ideology.

Apart from having to squat for a piss, there is nothing "Feminine" about HC... :chuckle:
A feminist doesn't have to squat to take a piss.

She has to squat, else she'll fall over from all her illnesses...

Never mind.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 01:04:54 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 12:37:44 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 11:58:57 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 09:24:11 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 08:11:21 AM
There is an agenda afoot. The last one was to have the first black President. Now its about having the first woman. Never mind the calibre of the candidate, the USA must give in to feminist ideology.

Apart from having to squat for a piss, there is nothing "Feminine" about HC... :chuckle:
A feminist doesn't have to squat to take a piss.

She has to squat, else she'll fall over from all her illnesses...
Never mind.

Sorry, I seem to have missed the "punch line".. :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 04, 2016, 01:14:07 PM

If Hillary was to get elected, with her open borders policy we can expect possible terrorist attacks on a regular basis.

If there is an attack think the dems, will try to blame it on Trumps hard line stance on Muslims? On the other hand, It very well could push Trump over the top,

CBS: Intel Signals Possible al-Qaida Attacks in US Monday

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/756996?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1694869_11042016&s=al&dkt_nbr=3lvlwuuv&section=Newsfront&keywords=CBS-Intel-Signals-Possible&year=2016&month=11&date=04&id=756996&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 04, 2016, 01:19:54 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 04, 2016, 11:54:01 AM

Bizzare occult ritual "cooking" just the latest scam of the Clinton campaign. you really can't make this stuff up!

http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-election-493995/leaked-email-appears-to-link-clinton-15270858/

This satanic worship crap might take a chunk of Hillary's support.

Fri Nov 4, 2016 | 1:49 PM EDT

San Diego Catholic church says devil works through Hillary Clinton

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN12Z2CJ?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 04, 2016, 01:31:55 PM

ALERT: WikiLeaks’ Assange Drops The Biggest Bombshell Yet About The ‘Rigged’ Election

http://www.westernjournalism.com/thepoint/2016/11/04/alert-wikileaks-assange-drops-biggest-bombshell-yet-rigged-election/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 04, 2016, 01:32:18 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 09:24:11 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 08:11:21 AM
There is an agenda afoot. The last one was to have the first black President. Now its about having the first woman. Never mind the calibre of the candidate, the USA must give in to feminist ideology.

Apart from having to squat for a piss, there is nothing "Feminine" about HC... :chuckle:
A feminist doesn't have to squat to take a piss.

Emptying a catheter bag is the same movement, I think, regardless of being a physiological man or woman...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 01:38:54 PM

Quote from: Slumba on November 04, 2016, 01:32:18 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 09:24:11 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 08:11:21 AM
There is an agenda afoot. The last one was to have the first black President. Now its about having the first woman. Never mind the calibre of the candidate, the USA must give in to feminist ideology.

Apart from having to squat for a piss, there is nothing "Feminine" about HC... :chuckle:
A feminist doesn't have to squat to take a piss.

Emptying a catheter bag is the same movement, I think, regardless of being a physiological man or woman...

She got one of them?? Didn't know that...
Now I understand DS.....
tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 01:54:53 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 01:38:54 PM

Quote from: Slumba on November 04, 2016, 01:32:18 PM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 09:24:11 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 08:11:21 AM
There is an agenda afoot. The last one was to have the first black President. Now its about having the first woman. Never mind the calibre of the candidate, the USA must give in to feminist ideology.

Apart from having to squat for a piss, there is nothing "Feminine" about HC... :chuckle:
A feminist doesn't have to squat to take a piss.

Emptying a catheter bag is the same movement, I think, regardless of being a physiological man or woman...

She got one of them?? Didn't know that...
Now I understand DS.....
tiphat

Blimey, thats a leap of faith. ;D
Actually, what I meant, in a rather abstract manner, was that a feminist isn't necessarily a woman and many in the democrats corner would class themselves as such.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on November 04, 2016, 03:23:39 PM

Where are the radio buttons for the Libertarian, Green parties and the write-in choices?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 03:27:46 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on November 04, 2016, 03:23:39 PM

Where are the radio buttons for the Libertarian, Green parties and the write-in choices?

Check out the title of this thread.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on November 04, 2016, 03:57:51 PM

I am well aware of the title of the thread.

Quote

Who do you vote to be the next POTUS?

My comment was directed to the question and not to the title.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2016, 04:14:39 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on November 04, 2016, 03:57:51 PM

I am well aware of the title of the thread.

Quote
Who do you vote to be the next POTUS?

My comment was directed to the question and not to the title.

not that it's going to make much difference (just like the real election), but you can do a write in. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 04:17:40 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on November 04, 2016, 03:57:51 PM

I am well aware of the title of the thread.

Quote
Who do you vote to be the next POTUS?

My comment was directed to the question and not to the title.

The choice is obvious. The rest are fringe material.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2016, 04:19:54 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 04, 2016, 01:31:55 PM

ALERT: WikiLeaks’ Assange Drops The Biggest Bombshell Yet About The ‘Rigged’ Election

http://www.westernjournalism.com/thepoint/2016/11/04/alert-wikileaks-assange-drops-biggest-bombshell-yet-rigged-election/

the only "bright" thing I see to an arbitrary Trump loss is that the next economic collapse is going to be so severe that it will take Crooked Hillary with it. and there may end up being some sort of revolution as well. knowing what we know about how she treated the secret service agents assigned to her and how she treated our military guys in Benghazi let's just say that eventually there may be a military coup to get rid of her.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on November 04, 2016, 04:38:31 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 04:17:40 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on November 04, 2016, 03:57:51 PM
I am well aware of the title of the thread.

Quote
Who do you vote to be the next POTUS?

My comment was directed to the question and not to the title.
The choice is obvious. The rest are fringe material.

Yes, I would agree with that. Would require a major upset of stupendous proportions for other parties to win. I was just submitting my protest vote. :dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2016, 06:01:57 PM

Gigantic Trump rally at Giant Center in Hershey, Pennsylvania. the MSM will never carry these huge Trump rally's which make Hillary look like a loser.

(you need to search about 2 hours and 30 minutes into this video to get to Trump's speech)

7 THOUSAND people on the outside could not get in, more than double what Clinton gets at one of her average rally's.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2016, 06:11:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 04, 2016, 01:19:54 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 04, 2016, 11:54:01 AM
Bizzare occult ritual "cooking" just the latest scam of the Clinton campaign. you really can't make this stuff up!

http://www.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-election-493995/leaked-email-appears-to-link-clinton-15270858/

This satanic worship crap might take a chunk of Hillary's support.

Fri Nov 4, 2016 | 1:49 PM EDT

San Diego Catholic church says devil works through Hillary Clinton

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN12Z2CJ?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews

No Christian or evangelical or Catholic who believes in God could ever possibly vote for Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2016, 06:35:12 PM

Dr. Ben Carson made a connection to Clinton and Satanism back during the primary.

http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/ben-carson-clinton-lucifer

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 04, 2016, 06:39:44 PM

WIKILEAKS DROPS THE HAMMER ON DONNA BRAZILE FOR CLAIMING LEAKED DOCUMENTS WERE ‘ALTERED

http://www.inquisitr.com/3679509/wikileaks-drops-the-hammer-on-donna-brazile-for-claiming-leaked-documents-were-altered/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 04, 2016, 06:42:09 PM

Electoral College Voter Says He Will Not Vote For Hillary Clinton Even If She Wins His State

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_581d145ae4b0d9ce6fbc3941

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2016, 06:56:46 PM

Final and best Trump TV and youtube advertisement.

and for the man who likes Scott Adam's blog, here is what Scott has to say about it.

http://blog.dilbert.com/?utm_source=dilbert.com&utm_medium=site&utm_campaign=brand-engagement&utm_content=navigation

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2016, 07:18:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 04, 2016, 06:39:44 PM

WIKILEAKS DROPS THE HAMMER ON DONNA BRAZILE FOR CLAIMING LEAKED DOCUMENTS WERE ‘ALTERED

http://www.inquisitr.com/3679509/wikileaks-drops-the-hammer-on-donna-brazile-for-claiming-leaked-documents-were-altered/

Google uses an authenticity system called Domain Keys Identification Mail or DKIM to verify exactly what was sent. So Donna Brazille can continue to lie and deny but it has been genuinely verified.

Donna Brazille has a history of unethical behavior. She was forced to resign from the Dukakis campaign way back when.

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-10-21/news/mn-4253_1_george-bush

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 04, 2016, 08:29:54 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 01:00:30 AM

It seems that Obama and Biden have now cancelled all public appearances where they were due to support Clinton.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article112535407.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2016, 09:26:29 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 04, 2016, 08:29:54 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 01:00:30 AM
It seems that Obama and Biden have now cancelled all public appearances where they were due to support Clinton.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article112535407.html

Clinton now in process to lose Michigan as well as other swing states.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/304382-poll-clinton-lead-down-to-4-in-mich

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2016, 09:49:45 PM

why the Iran deal was really approved?

https://twitter.com/hectormorenco/status/794759377106239488

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 05, 2016, 01:02:34 AM

The Team Trump's latest/last campaign ad is pretty good.

Notice how it never refers to the Republican party but rather to a movement, a movement of the people. It is absolutely clear that what I have been banging on about for months was and is true. This about people not political parties. Of course, this is just one reason why the polling is inaccurate, the underlying paradigm of party allegiances is faulty. Selecting respondents based on claimed party allegiance is not helpful when the issue under examination is not party related.

Anyway, a strong piece from a presidential and not scary candidate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 05, 2016, 02:47:31 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 01:54:53 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 01:38:54 PM
Quote from: Slumba on November 04, 2016, 01:32:18 PM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 09:24:11 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on November 04, 2016, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 04, 2016, 08:11:21 AM
There is an agenda afoot. The last one was to have the first black President. Now its about having the first woman. Never mind the calibre of the candidate, the USA must give in to feminist ideology.

Apart from having to squat for a piss, there is nothing "Feminine" about HC... :chuckle:
A feminist doesn't have to squat to take a piss.

Emptying a catheter bag is the same movement, I think, regardless of being a physiological man or woman...

She got one of them?? Didn't know that...
Now I understand DS.....
tiphat
Blimey, thats a leap of faith. ;D
Actually, what I meant, in a rather abstract manner, was that a feminist isn't necessarily a woman and many in the democrats corner would class themselves as such.

That's what I thought you were getting at big boy! :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 05, 2016, 03:48:29 AM

Whoops, I forgot to link to the video - Enjoy!:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 05, 2016, 03:54:57 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 05, 2016, 03:48:29 AM

Whoops, I forgot to link to the video - Enjoy!:

A much refined message.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 05, 2016, 04:12:04 AM

That's the president speaking!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 05, 2016, 04:18:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 05, 2016, 04:12:04 AM

That's the president speaking!

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 05, 2016, 04:26:33 AM

Quote from: Rosco

That's what I thought you were getting at big boy!

Whew. somebody gets it. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 08:27:08 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 05, 2016, 04:12:04 AM

That's the president speaking!

And this is what will happen if the wicked witch gets into the White House. Hillary Clinton's Nuclear "Fallout Fantasy".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 08:39:36 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 05, 2016, 04:18:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 05, 2016, 04:12:04 AM
That's the president speaking!
:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 05, 2016, 08:43:48 AM

Election Prediction 2016: Current Trend Lines Show Trump Will Win in Landslide

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/2016-election-tgp-prediction-trump-wins-by-landslide/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 05, 2016, 08:51:10 AM

The people who attach credence to James Comey's BS, Wikileaks and Julian Assange are mostly those who were in Trump's base anyway and, with the usual one-week lag, it is beginning to be reflected in the polls. When the new NBC/Survey Monkey poll is released on Monday, we will have more data. Despite the rantings of a few lunatics, Clinton still has a fifty-vote electoral edge and, like Obama, is likely to outperform the polls by a point or two because of underrepresentation of minority voters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 05, 2016, 08:53:55 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 05, 2016, 08:43:48 AM

Election Prediction 2016: Current Trend Lines Show Trump Will Win in Landslide

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/2016-election-tgp-prediction-trump-wins-by-landslide/

Polling for retardates: counting lawn signs.
The inherent weakness of this system is that they become confused when they reach double digits.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 05, 2016, 08:58:11 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 08:53:55 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 05, 2016, 08:43:48 AM
Election Prediction 2016: Current Trend Lines Show Trump Will Win in Landslide

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/2016-election-tgp-prediction-trump-wins-by-landslide/

Polling for retardates: counting lawn signs.

If you wish to believe biased polls paid for in part by the democratic party go right ahead. I choose to look at all forms available.

Market Indicator Gives Trump An 86% Chance Of Winning The Election

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-04/market-indicator-gives-trump-86-chance-winning-election

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 09:03:34 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 08:53:55 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 05, 2016, 08:43:48 AM
Election Prediction 2016: Current Trend Lines Show Trump Will Win in Landslide

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/2016-election-tgp-prediction-trump-wins-by-landslide/

Polling for retardates: counting lawn signs.
The inherent weakness of this system is that they become confused when they reach double digits

or we could say Polling for redardates: counting biased polls.

I expect Hillary believes she already won because the fix is in; the fix being the rigged polling machines whereby no matter how many Trump voters vote the machine compensates in favor of Hillary.

Anyhow counting biased polls was best covered here.

Quote from: andrewfi on November 05, 2016, 01:02:34 AM

The Team Trump's latest/last campaign ad is pretty good.

Notice how it never refers to the Republican party but rather to a movement, a movement of the people. It is absolutely clear that what I have been banging on about for months was and is true. This about people not political parties. Of course, this is just one reason why the polling is inaccurate, the underlying paradigm of party allegiances is faulty. Selecting respondents based on claimed party allegiance is not helpful when the issue under examination is not party related.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 05, 2016, 09:09:53 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 05, 2016, 04:18:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 05, 2016, 04:12:04 AM
That's the president speaking!
:thumbsup:

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 05, 2016, 09:10:49 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2016, 09:03:34 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 08:53:55 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on November 05, 2016, 08:43:48 AM
Election Prediction 2016: Current Trend Lines Show Trump Will Win in Landslide

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/2016-election-tgp-prediction-trump-wins-by-landslide/

Polling for retardates: counting biased polls.

I expect Hillary believes she already won because the fix is in; the fix being the rigged polling machines whereby no matter how many Trump voters vote the machine compensates in favor of Hillary.

That is my fear too.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:14:54 AM

I swear, if you fools had a biopsy test positive for cancer, you would swear that the test was rigged.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 05, 2016, 09:15:29 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 05, 2016, 04:12:04 AM

That's the president spanking!

:censored:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 05, 2016, 09:19:55 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:14:54 AM

I swear, you fools could have a biopsy test positive for cancer and would swear that the test was rigged.

In the netherlands, Electronic voting has been deemed illegal and will therefore never be put in production, because it is too easy to rig votes electronically. The machines simply aren't made safe and they cannot be made in accordance with our democratic proces.

That proces says amongst other things: Every regular joe , must be able to recount (part of) the votes without help. The voting machines make that impossible and therefore will not be implemented.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:21:29 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 05, 2016, 04:12:04 AM

That's the president speaking!

If your prediction is as accurate as the one below, Clinton supporters have nothing to be concerned about.

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 01:00:30 AM

It seems that Obama and Biden have now cancelled all public appearances where they were due to support Clinton.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:31:13 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 05, 2016, 09:19:55 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:14:54 AM
I swear, you fools could have a biopsy test positive for cancer and would swear that the test was rigged.
In the netherlands, Electronic voting has been deemed illegal and will therefore never be put in production, because it is too easy to rig votes electronically. The machines simply aren't made safe and they cannot be made in accordance with our democratic proces.

That proces says amongst other things: Every regular joe , must be able to recount (part of) the votes without help. The voting machines make that impossible and therefore will not be implemented.

Markje,

There will never be a system that is absolutely foolproof but the amount of work necessary to sway an election would be massive and would require hundreds, if not thousands, of conspirators to implement it. The odds of getting away with such a crime decrease with increasing participation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 09:32:58 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 05, 2016, 09:19:55 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:14:54 AM
I swear, you fools could have a biopsy test positive for cancer and would swear that the test was rigged.
In the netherlands, Electronic voting has been deemed illegal and will therefore never be put in production, because it is too easy to rig votes electronically. The machines simply aren't made safe and they cannot be made in accordance with our democratic proces.

That proces says amongst other things: Every regular joe , must be able to recount (part of) the votes without help. The voting machines make that impossible and therefore will not be implemented.

Since you understand how easy it is, or would be to rig the vote electronically you probably understand why. It took me some time (a pretty long time) to break free of the mindless 24/7 propaganda of our "main stream media" to understand why they so collectively support Hillary is also why the collectively support our military adventures overseas.

The simple answer is because I believe "the powers that be" are mostly the military elites and the banking elites. Go back to Hillary laughing about taking out Gadaffi and the answer is pretty simple: he no longer wanted to pay for oil by keeping US dollars in reserve (I guess they call this "petro dollars"?) Anyways, he was soon no longer our ally and dead. Secretary of State Clinton w/ the CIA financed the "Free Syrian Army" again to force the ME countries and those around that region to keep their dollars in reserve for purchasing oil.

What would happen otherwise? The mountains of debt in Trillions would collapse our economy if those dollars came home, if I am understanding this correctly.

Anyhow probably why this Tom character wants Hillary. he doesn't care about human rights so much as he cares about his retirement fund not losing value overnight.

https://twitter.com/hectormorenco/status/794755301152985088

https://twitter.com/hectormorenco/status/794755920962076672

https://twitter.com/hectormorenco/status/794758715677097984

https://twitter.com/hectormorenco/status/794758849643171840

https://twitter.com/hectormorenco/status/794758280430043136

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 09:54:17 AM

Anyone with morals and scruples want to follow the FBI investigation? An FBI agent has an anonymous account. at least we hope so. In all likely hood it is a spoof.

https://twitter.com/FBIAnon2016

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 05, 2016, 10:10:47 AM

No Tom, that's not true. You have been watching an election being rigged on a large scale.

As with most matters of life there's more than one level.

However, the neat trick is to take small actions at critical points. But I am confident that you know thus stuff and are trolling again.

You have seen how elections are manipulated both in this cycle and previous ones. Small actions large outcomes.

As we have seen the real power is with the electoral college. I know that I have mentioned this before but the purpose of the general election is to place the electoral college in a position to make a desired outcome in a moderately credible manner. That does not require mass alterations to election votes, maybe a few hundred in a few key locations. That's why TPTB have been keen to see that perceived support for both major candidates should be very close.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 05, 2016, 10:12:27 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:31:13 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 05, 2016, 09:19:55 AM
Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:14:54 AM
I swear, you fools could have a biopsy test positive for cancer and would swear that the test was rigged.
In the netherlands, Electronic voting has been deemed illegal and will therefore never be put in production, because it is too easy to rig votes electronically. The machines simply aren't made safe and they cannot be made in accordance with our democratic proces.

That proces says amongst other things: Every regular joe , must be able to recount (part of) the votes without help. The voting machines make that impossible and therefore will not be implemented.

Markje,

There will never be a system that is absolutely foolproof but the amount of work necessary to sway an election would be massive and would require hundreds, if not thousands, of conspirators to implement it. The odds of getting away with such a crime decrease with increasing participation.

I dont know how it works in America, but in Netherlands the voting democratic process must be 100.00% airtight. That means that if there's even a 0.001% chance of voter-rigging, it will not be allowed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 05, 2016, 10:32:08 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:14:54 AM

I swear, if you fools had a biopsy test positive for cancer, you would swear that the test was rigged.

No but I would have the biopsy test performed by another lab and if it was negative, then I would have it done a third time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 05, 2016, 10:53:06 AM

Hillary must be somewhat worried being she is relying on star power to gather some interest to attend her rallies.
Will have to admit Tim Kaine is quite the charmer drawing crowds numbering into the several dozen on occasion.

Trump, Pence on the other hand are seeing huge support in these final days.

If Hillary can't deliver at her rallies, will she also fall short on election day?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 12:11:05 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:14:54 AM

I swear, if you fools had a biopsy test positive for cancer, you would swear that the test was rigged.

If the biopsy machine and needle were manufactured by Soros that would be a possibility.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 12:14:05 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 05, 2016, 10:10:47 AM

No Tom, that's not true. You have been watching an election being rigged on a large scale.

As with most matters of life there's more than one level.

However, the neat trick is to take small actions at critical points. But I am confident that you know thus stuff and are trolling again.

You have seen how elections are manipulated both in this cycle and previous ones. Small actions large outcomes.

As we have seen the real power is with the electoral college. I know that I have mentioned this before but the purpose of the general election is to place the electoral college in a position to make a desired outcome in a moderately credible manner. That does not require mass alterations to election votes, maybe a few hundred in a few key locations. That's why TPTB have been keen to see that perceived support for both major candidates should be very close.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 05, 2016, 12:54:12 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 05, 2016, 10:10:47 AM

No Tom, that's not true. You have been watching an election being rigged on a large scale.

You blunted your debating edge when you manufactured facts to support your argument. That's why I've been relentlessly reminding you of Obama's public appearances, in support of Clinton, every day this week. I can post links to Biden's public appearance for the week as well, if you wish.

Writing that I'm trolling (again) isn't very convincing either. After all, trolling and being correct are not mutually exclusive.

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 01:00:30 AM

It seems that Obama and Biden have now cancelled all public appearances where they were due to support Clinton.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 05, 2016, 01:06:47 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 12:54:12 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 05, 2016, 10:10:47 AM
No Tom, that's not true. You have been watching an election being rigged on a large scale.

You blunted your debating edge when you manufactured facts to support your argument. That's why I've been relentlessly reminding you of Obama's public appearances, in support of Clinton, every day this week. I can post links to Biden's public appearance for the week as well, if you wish.

Writing that I'm trolling (again) isn't very convincing either. After all, trolling and being correct are not mutually exclusive.

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2016, 01:00:30 AM
It seems that Obama and Biden have now cancelled all public appearances where they were due to support Clinton.

Andrew's was not a definitive statement of fact, that's clear to see. With that in mind, it would seem that you are trolling.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 01:27:05 PM

Is Director Comey prepping his agents to make some mass arrests? God I certainly hope so!

http://truepundit.com/breaking-comey-mandates-all-fbi-agents-report-to-d-c-offices-prep-for-raids-arrests-in-clinton-probes/

https://twitter.com/Bernies4_Trump/status/793885628203229185

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 01:41:03 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 05, 2016, 10:12:27 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:31:13 AM
Quote from: Markje on November 05, 2016, 09:19:55 AM
Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:14:54 AM
I swear, you fools could have a biopsy test positive for cancer and would swear that the test was rigged.
In the netherlands, Electronic voting has been deemed illegal and will therefore never be put in production, because it is too easy to rig votes electronically. The machines simply aren't made safe and they cannot be made in accordance with our democratic proces.

That proces says amongst other things: Every regular joe , must be able to recount (part of) the votes without help. The voting machines make that impossible and therefore will not be implemented.

Markje,

There will never be a system that is absolutely foolproof but the amount of work necessary to sway an election would be massive and would require hundreds, if not thousands, of conspirators to implement it. The odds of getting away with such a crime decrease with increasing participation.
I dont know how it works in America, but in Netherlands the voting democratic process must be 100.00% airtight. That means that if there's even a 0.001% chance of voter-rigging, it will not be allowed.

we can only dream of such precision over here. this is what I was referring to.

http://www.hackingdemocracy.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 01:49:10 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:31:13 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 05, 2016, 09:19:55 AM
Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:14:54 AM
I swear, you fools could have a biopsy test positive for cancer and would swear that the test was rigged.
In the netherlands, Electronic voting has been deemed illegal and will therefore never be put in production, because it is too easy to rig votes electronically. The machines simply aren't made safe and they cannot be made in accordance with our democratic proces.

That proces says amongst other things: Every regular joe , must be able to recount (part of) the votes without help. The voting machines make that impossible and therefore will not be implemented.

Markje,

There will never be a system that is absolutely foolproof but the amount of work necessary to sway an election would be massive and would require hundreds, if not thousands, of conspirators to implement it. The odds of getting away with such a crime decrease with increasing participation.

false. a computer programmer admits working on a program which could change votes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 02:14:39 PM

November 5 (today) interview with Julian Assange. "Trump will not be allowed to win".

full interview

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 05, 2016, 03:52:09 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2016, 02:14:39 PM

November 5 (today) interview with Julian Assange. "Trump will not be allowed to win".

full interview

Mainstream European and US media will ignore that altogether.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 05, 2016, 05:10:45 PM

Hillary Clinton Email Archive

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/?q=%40folder+%22Nov03_2016%22+%7C+%40folder+%22Nov04_2016%22+%7C+%40folder+%22Powell_9-23-2016%22+%7C+%40folder+%22Litigation_F-2016-07895_2%22+%7C+%40folder+%22Litigation_F-2016-07895%22&mfrom=&mto=&title=&notitle=&date_from=&date_to=&nofrom=&noto=&count=50&sort=3

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 05:14:20 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 05, 2016, 03:52:09 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2016, 02:14:39 PM
November 5 (today) interview with Julian Assange. "Trump will not be allowed to win".

full interview

Mainstream European and US media will ignore that altogether.

The Mainstream media here in the USA will likely ignore this suspicious murder-suicide of an FBI agent who was involved in the latest links as well. This happened just last night.

http://denverguardian.com/2016/11/05/fbi-agent-suspected-hillary-email-leaks-found-dead-apparent-murder-suicide/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Turboguy on November 05, 2016, 05:15:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2016, 02:14:39 PM

November 5 (today) interview with Julian Assange. "Trump will not be allowed to win".

full interview

Since the vote is 27 to 5 here in favor of Trump I find it interesting that Mr Assange makes the comment in his interview that Trump supporters are mostly the Americans that are white trash. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 05:20:00 PM

Quote from: Turboguy on November 05, 2016, 05:15:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2016, 02:14:39 PM
November 5 (today) interview with Julian Assange. "Trump will not be allowed to win".

full interview

Since the vote is 27 to 5 here in favor of Trump I find it interesting that Mr Assange makes the comment in his interview that Trump supporters are mostly the Americans that are white trash. tiphat

Did he actually say that? I did not watch the entire interview, just enough. Are you claiming to be "white trash"? I get the feeling somebody here thinks that way about anyone who supports Trump. I would say Trump supporters are mostly blue collar but quite a few professionals as well who are tired of the overseas wars that never end.

I don't consider myself to be "white trash" but I am "deplorable". Just not "irredeemable". I consider Democraps to be "irredeemable". Especially after all of the wikileaks revelations.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 06:23:18 PM

This is just one reason why the USA needs to get out of the middle east. The idea that the USA can continue being in deep debt because we cajole middle east countries and others to purchase petroleum with US dollars held in reserve will never justify this insanity. Sadly somebody on this forum justifies this type of madness by voting for H. Clinton. He's with her. I am happy to say I'm not with her.

WikiLeaks Collateral murder

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 05, 2016, 07:03:45 PM

Maybe Hillary hired someone to take out Trump?

Donald Trump Rushed Offstage by Security

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/us/politics/donald-trump-rally.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 07:28:23 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 05, 2016, 07:03:45 PM

Maybe Hillary hired someone to take out Trump?

Donald Trump Rushed Offstage by Security

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/us/politics/donald-trump-rally.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

I expected an assassination attempt on Trump's life and have been surprised that nothing too serious has happened as of yet. Glad that he was okay and able to continue his speech. #MAGA

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 05, 2016, 08:08:38 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 05, 2016, 01:06:47 PM

Andrew's was not a definitive statement of fact, that's clear to see. With that in mind, it would seem that you are trolling.

It's much easier to accuse someone of trolling than to build a cogent argument, eh?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 05, 2016, 08:58:50 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 05, 2016, 10:32:08 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:14:54 AM
I swear, if you fools had a biopsy test positive for cancer, you would swear that the test was rigged.

No but I would have the biopsy test performed by another lab and if it was negative, then I would have it done a third time.

That's what a sensible person would do, not a fool.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:01:31 PM

Karma:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-rushed-stage-after-disturbance-reno-rally-n678531

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on November 05, 2016, 09:04:51 PM

Did someone mention survey monkey?

http://www.theborneopost.com/2016/11/05/chinas-monkey-king-picks-donald-trump-as-next-us-president/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 09:07:23 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 08:08:38 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 05, 2016, 01:06:47 PM
Andrew's was not a definitive statement of fact, that's clear to see. With that in mind, it would seem that you are trolling.

It's much easier to accuse someone of trolling than to build a cogent argument, eh?

We're still waiting for you to "build a cogent argument" and explain the many flaws in your logic as to why you would vote for Hillary.

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2016, 08:05:05 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 23, 2016, 06:05:51 PM
Quote from: Manny on October 23, 2016, 05:06:23 PM
Are you a Hillary supporter, Tom? Might you tell the good people how she will help the US and help world peace?

My baseline criteria for a candidate:
1) more intelligent than I am,
2) more knowledgeable than I am,
3) more politically savvy than I am and
4) more mentally stable than I am.

If more than one candidate clears those hurdles, then I use issues for a tie-breaker. This election was easy because only Hillary ticked the four boxes. I'm not too keen about a massive influx of immigrants from the Middle-East but I'm less keen about a deranged bugger with the launch codes.

I understand that Trump is more intelligent, knowledgeable, politically savvy and mentally stable than some of our members but that reflects on their failings, not on Trump's merits.

Let's take a moment and examine the inherent contradictions of your statements here. You readily admit that you're "not too keen about a massive influx of immigrants from the Middle East", yet you claim to want somebody who is

1) More intelligent
2) More knowledgeable

than yourself. Yet any knowledgeable and intelligent person knows that out of only 100,000 immigrants from the middle east, and in particular from Syria, there is a very high probability of implanted ISIS terrorists, or persons who are easily influenced into becoming ISIS recruits. If out of 100,000 immigrants only 0.5 percent were already implants or on their way to becoming radicalized, that's 500 jihadi's who you've now paid to have housed, fed, clothed and to have their medical needs attended to. which brings us back to

4) More mentally stable

What kind of rational, intelligent, knowledgeable and sane person would knowingly import hundreds of thousands of immigrants who are antithetical to Western civilization and democracy into America?

A person who is

1) Intelligent
2) Knowledgeable
and
4) Mentally stable

absolutely would not! And a person who has those qualities, would absolutely not vote for any politician who promises to import a "massive influx of immigrants from the Middle East".

Now let's look at her temperament. I suggest you actually do a bit of research and educate yourself about that. In the video I posted above the plan for the Matt Lauer interview event was that Secretary Clinton would receive all questions in advance for her prep. When it turned out she did not, well let's just say she threw an epic temper tantrum.

Now let's look at her relationship with Vladimir Putin and the Russians. If she was

1) Intelligent
2) Knowledgeable

one would think that she could have done a proper translation on her "reset" button. That did not happen. Now fast forward to current events in Syria. She has called for a "no fly zone" in Syria, a country which the United States has not been invited to by the President of Syria. We are there, against International Law, telling the Russians and Syria who are there properly, that WE (according to Clinton) have a right to impose a "no fly zone". Is this

Intelligent
Knowledgeable and most importantly the actions of a
Mentally stable

person? Most rational, sane, intelligent persons who are mentally stable and have examined the word and actions of Putin compared to the schizophrenic actions of Secretary Clinton, would advise against a "no fly zone" in Syria.

Then we have Mr. Trump, a pragmatic man who believes we should do our best to get along with Russia.

Your words are contradictory and your logic does not follow. Go ahead and vote for Clinton like the other sheep.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 09:11:20 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on November 05, 2016, 09:04:51 PM

Did someone mention survey monkey?

http://www.theborneopost.com/2016/11/05/chinas-monkey-king-picks-donald-trump-as-next-us-president/

:chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 10:13:38 PM

Bernie Sanders supporter criticizes Hillary and is escorted out after saying she is "trapped in the world of elites".

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/11/05/bernie-sanders-supporter-bashes-hillary-clinton-stage/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2016, 10:33:14 PM

Exposing the Libyan agenda of sec. state Hillary Clinton. should make it impossible for somebody to vote for her after they claimed they did not condone the USA or any other country interfering in the affairs of others. :coffeeread:

https://ellenbrown.com/2016/03/13/exposing-the-libyan-agenda-a-closer-look-at-hillarys-emails/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 06, 2016, 01:44:28 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 08:08:38 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 05, 2016, 01:06:47 PM
Andrew's was not a definitive statement of fact, that's clear to see. With that in mind, it would seem that you are trolling.

It's much easier to accuse someone of trolling than to build a cogent argument, eh?

That's rich, coming from you. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 02:59:35 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2016, 09:11:20 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on November 05, 2016, 09:04:51 PM
Did someone mention survey monkey?

http://www.theborneopost.com/2016/11/05/chinas-monkey-king-picks-donald-trump-as-next-us-president/

:chuckle:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-11-06%20at%203.57.13%20AM_zpsyel0ir9f.png)

That is enough for me!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 06, 2016, 03:41:22 AM

Tom, as you well know the cogent argument has been presented by myself.

I would prefer to believe that you are trolling to the alternative - that you have lost the ability to process information, in an objective manner, into knowledge.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 04:10:52 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 02:59:35 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2016, 09:11:20 PM
Quote from: dcguyusa on November 05, 2016, 09:04:51 PM
Did someone mention survey monkey?

http://www.theborneopost.com/2016/11/05/chinas-monkey-king-picks-donald-trump-as-next-us-president/

:chuckle:

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-11-06%20at%203.57.13%20AM_zpsyel0ir9f.png)

That is enough for me!

TomT did say that the monkey is one to pay attention to. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 04:13:05 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 06, 2016, 03:41:22 AM

Tom, as you well know the cogent argument has been presented by myself.

I would prefer to believe that you are trolling to the alternative - that you have lost the ability to process information, in an objective manner, into knowledge.

That was the concern I had. Maybe the jarring to his system from all his long distance running has had a cognitive effect?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 06, 2016, 07:26:41 AM

I expect we'll have an early result on Tuesday night.

All checks should be made payable to "Brad Sharp" and sent to P.O. Box 941, Wilmington, OH 45177

It appears that the FBI investigation is really having an effect on the down-ballot races. Watch the Senate races in New Hampshire, Missouri, Pennsylvania, Nevada, North Carolina and Indiana. If the Republicans win 4 of the 6 and assuming they lose a seat in Pennsylvania, they will still have a 51-49 majority in the Senate and can block all of Clinton's ~~socialist~~ progressive judge nominations.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 07:59:03 AM

The Democrats are still blaming the Russians for interface,
But Hillary didn't seem to worry who had access to classified information.

Clinton directed her maid to print out classified materials

http://nypost.com/2016/11/06/clinton-directed-her-maid-to-print-out-classified-materials/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 08:13:12 AM

Another one is going to leave the USA, this one will go farther than Canada.

http://pagesix.com/2016/11/05/cher-if-donald-trump-wins-im-leaving-this-planet/?_ga=1.65862573.2076464885.1478444883

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 06, 2016, 08:16:07 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 06, 2016, 08:13:12 AM

Another one is going to leave the USA, this one will go farther than Canada.

http://pagesix.com/2016/11/05/cher-if-donald-trump-wins-im-leaving-this-planet/?_ga=1.65862573.2076464885.1478444883

Maybe she really does believe in "Life after Life" :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 06, 2016, 08:28:37 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 06, 2016, 03:41:22 AM

Tom, as you well know the cogent argument has been presented by myself.

I would prefer to believe that you are trolling to the alternative - that you have lost the ability to process information, in an objective manner, into knowledge.

I can still process information well enough to know that your statement about Obama and Biden abandoning their support of the Clinton campaign was BS.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 08:36:01 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 06, 2016, 08:28:37 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 06, 2016, 03:41:22 AM
Tom, as you well know the cogent argument has been presented by myself.

I would prefer to believe that you are trolling to the alternative - that you have lost the ability to process information, in an objective manner, into knowledge.

I can still process information well enough to know that your statement about Obama and Biden abandoning their support of the Clinton campaign was BS.

Andrew made a mistake in that statement but it that does not mean all things he says are inaccurate or untrue.

Here's a video of Obama encouraging illegals to vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 06, 2016, 08:39:47 AM

^
If illegal aliens are allowed to vote then its in the bag... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 08:54:33 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 06, 2016, 08:39:47 AM

^
If illegal aliens are allowed to vote then its in the bag... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Then would you say the elections are "rigged." If so tell TomT.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 09:01:37 AM

Here is some Wikileaks of the DNC and the Hillary's people instructing the Atlas polling company to 'oversample' those demographic groups that are favorable to Clinton.

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-26%20at%2011.56.09%20AM_zpski4kpy7p.png)

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-10-26%20at%2011.55.58%20AM_zpsi7hu59ak.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 06, 2016, 09:02:18 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 08:54:33 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 06, 2016, 08:39:47 AM
^
If illegal aliens are allowed to vote then its in the bag... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Then would you say the elections are "rigged." If so tell TomT.

Of course they are rigged, that's been common knowledge for years, just don't tell the yanks as they will not believe you.... :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 09:15:29 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 06, 2016, 09:02:18 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 08:54:33 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 06, 2016, 08:39:47 AM
^
If illegal aliens are allowed to vote then its in the bag... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Then would you say the elections are "rigged." If so tell TomT.

Of course they are rigged, that's been common knowledge for years, just don't tell the yanks as they will not believe you.... :laugh:

I'm smarter than Shakespear about such things. I suggested the elections were rigged in 2008 or 2012 and he thought I was nuts. I remember Wiz was on my side on that one.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 09:24:47 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 09:15:29 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 06, 2016, 09:02:18 AM
Quote from: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 08:54:33 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 06, 2016, 08:39:47 AM
^
If illegal aliens are allowed to vote then its in the bag... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Then would you say the elections are "rigged." If so tell TomT.

Of course they are rigged, that's been common knowledge for years, just don't tell the yanks as they will not believe you.... :laugh:

I'm smarter than Shakespear about such things. I suggested the elections were rigged in 2008 or 2012 and he thought I was nuts. I remember Wiz was on my side on that one.

Hillary is counting on the Hispanic vote as it seems the black voters might not be as motivated
Given the way the system works, it's safe to assume many illegals will be voting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 06, 2016, 09:26:20 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 09:24:47 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 09:15:29 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on November 06, 2016, 09:02:18 AM
Quote from: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 08:54:33 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 06, 2016, 08:39:47 AM
^
If illegal aliens are allowed to vote then its in the bag... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Then would you say the elections are "rigged." If so tell TomT.

Of course they are rigged, that's been common knowledge for years, just don't tell the yanks as they will not believe you.... :laugh:

I'm smarter than Shakespear about such things. I suggested the elections were rigged in 2008 or 2012 and he thought I was nuts. I remember Wiz was on my side on that one.

Hillary is counting on the Hispanic vote as it seems the black voters might not be as motivated
Given the way the system works, it's safe to assume many illegals will be voting.

And Aliens... ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 09:46:05 AM

Amazing the popularity of Trump.less than 24 hours ago he decided to add,a stop in Minnesota. 6 am this morning supporters started to arrive. Already numbers in the thousands waiting for a short 2 pm speech.by the looks of the crowd it's a very diverse group, leading to the belief that Trump has support from a much wider demographic than the liberal media would have us believe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 09:53:14 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 09:46:05 AM

Amazing the popularity of Trump.less than 24 hours ago he decided to add,a stop in Minnesota. 6 am this morning supporters started to arrive. Already numbers in the thousands waiting for a short 2 pm speech.by the looks of the crowd it's a very diverse group, leading to the belief that Trump has support from a much wider demographic than the liberal media would have us believe.

And this is in a DFL stronghold.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 09:57:42 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 09:53:14 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 09:46:05 AM
Amazing the popularity of Trump.less than 24 hours ago he decided to add,a stop in Minnesota. 6 am this morning supporters started to arrive. Already numbers in the thousands waiting for a short 2 pm speech.by the looks of the crowd it's a very diverse group, leading to the belief that Trump has support from a much wider demographic than the liberal media would have us believe.

And this is in a DFL stronghold.

what does DFL stand for? In regards to the election being rigged, word out is that Broward County in Florida is allowing lots of illegal votes for Hillary (Debbie Wasserman Shultz county).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 10:04:53 AM

Democrat Farm Labor Party Hardcore Democrats

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 11:05:22 AM

The Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

WikiLeaks: Chelsea Clinton Used Foundation Cash for Her Wedding

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/wikileaks-chelsea-clinton-used-foundation-cash-wedding/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 12:25:00 PM

Affidavit signed by volunteer alleging fraudulent voting in Broward county, Florida.

http://ijr.com/opinion/2016/11/261634-florida-voter-fraud-broward-county/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 12:28:14 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 05, 2016, 09:01:31 PM

Karma:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-rushed-stage-after-disturbance-reno-rally-n678531

Why was this Karma? It's bad enough that Clinton and the DNC paid "protesters" to commit violence and shut down the Trump planned rally in Chicago, now we see the usual lack of good moral character by most Clinton supporters expressed here as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 12:32:17 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 09:46:05 AM

Amazing the popularity of Trump.less than 24 hours ago he decided to add,a stop in Minnesota. 6 am this morning supporters started to arrive. Already numbers in the thousands waiting for a short 2 pm speech.by the looks of the crowd it's a very diverse group, leading to the belief that Trump has support from a much wider demographic than the liberal media would have us believe.

All of the Trump rally's I have watched have had plenty of women for Trump as well as a good mix of minorities. Those who believe in law and order (blue lives matter) and a secure border "get it".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 12:43:38 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 11:05:22 AM

The Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

WikiLeaks: Chelsea Clinton Used Foundation Cash for Her Wedding

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/wikileaks-chelsea-clinton-used-foundation-cash-wedding/

the FBI had more than enough to indict Shillary back in July and more than enough now. Why do they keep stalling? Obviously because Dictator Hussein O. also broke the law and because of inappropriate political pressure from Lynch.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 01:06:50 PM

if the Cubs can win the world series then this can happen as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 01:25:39 PM

Trump will speak at 3pm if anyone is interested in watching.

Not too bad for a last minute rally. Trump definitely has an energetic group of supporters, I wouldn't count out an upset in the making.

20,000 For Donald Trump Rally, Minneapolis Minnesota – 3:00pm Live Stream…

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/11/06/donald-trump-rally-minneapolis-minnesota-300pm-live-stream/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 06, 2016, 01:38:17 PM

CONSPIRACY!!!

LOL!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138 (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138)

Quote

The FBI has found no evidence of criminality in the new batch of Hillary Clinton emails.
In a letter to members of Congress, FBI director James Comey said the agency had finished its review and found nothing to change its position.
In July, he said Mrs Clinton had been careless but not criminal in handling sensitive material on her private email server while secretary of state.
The issue flared up again with the discovery of new "pertinent" emails.
They were reportedly found on the laptop of Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of one of Mrs Clinton's closest advisers.
"Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton," said Mr Comey in Sunday's letter to Congress.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 06, 2016, 01:55:12 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 06, 2016, 01:38:17 PM

CONSPIRACY!!!

LOL!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138 (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138)

Quote
The FBI has found no evidence of criminality in the new batch of Hillary Clinton emails.
In a letter to members of Congress, FBI director James Comey said the agency had finished its review and found nothing to change its position.
In July, he said Mrs Clinton had been careless but not criminal in handling sensitive material on her private email server while secretary of state.
The issue flared up again with the discovery of new "pertinent" emails.
They were reportedly found on the laptop of Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of one of Mrs Clinton's closest advisers.
"Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton," said Mr Comey in Sunday's letter to Congress.

They got to him of course.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 06, 2016, 02:15:46 PM

Given what we were told up front, getting a huge number of emails checked and cleared so fast does strike one as being a tad rum!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 06, 2016, 03:37:33 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 06, 2016, 01:38:17 PM

CONSPIRACY!!!

LOL!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138 (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138)

Quote
The FBI has found no evidence of criminality in the new batch of Hillary Clinton emails.
In a letter to members of Congress, FBI director James Comey said the agency had finished its review and found nothing to change its position.
In July, he said Mrs Clinton had been careless but not criminal in handling sensitive material on her private email server while secretary of state.
The issue flared up again with the discovery of new "pertinent" emails.
They were reportedly found on the laptop of Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of one of Mrs Clinton's closest advisers.
"Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton," said Mr Comey in Sunday's letter to Congress.

This election is over. It's rigged, of course.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 04:06:41 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 06, 2016, 03:37:33 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 06, 2016, 01:38:17 PM
CONSPIRACY!!!

LOL!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138 (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138)

Quote
The FBI has found no evidence of criminality in the new batch of Hillary Clinton emails.
In a letter to members of Congress, FBI director James Comey said the agency had finished its review and found nothing to change its position.
In July, he said Mrs Clinton had been careless but not criminal in handling sensitive material on her private email server while secretary of state.
The issue flared up again with the discovery of new "pertinent" emails.
They were reportedly found on the laptop of Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of one of Mrs Clinton's closest advisers.
"Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton," said Mr Comey in Sunday's letter to Congress.

This election is over. It's rigged, of course.

TomT, might be right,the election might be over, with a Trump victory in 2 days'
Comey Might have just handed the election to Trump, this just solidifies what Trump has been saying about a rigged system, and Clinton being above the law

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 04:08:48 PM

Limbaugh: FBI Rekindled Email Investigation Just to Distract Attention From Wikileaks

http://www.mediaite.com/online/limbaugh-fbi-rekindled-email-investigation-just-to-distract-attention-from-wikileaks-2/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 05:07:06 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 06, 2016, 03:37:33 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 06, 2016, 01:38:17 PM
CONSPIRACY!!!

LOL!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138 (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138)

Quote
The FBI has found no evidence of criminality in the new batch of Hillary Clinton emails.
In a letter to members of Congress, FBI director James Comey said the agency had finished its review and found nothing to change its position.
In July, he said Mrs Clinton had been careless but not criminal in handling sensitive material on her private email server while secretary of state.
The issue flared up again with the discovery of new "pertinent" emails.
They were reportedly found on the laptop of Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of one of Mrs Clinton's closest advisers.
"Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton," said Mr Comey in Sunday's letter to Congress.

This election is over. It's rigged, of course.

Please tell us of another US citizen who could destroy evidence (we're talking 30,000 emails) after being subpoena'd by the FBI.

Yes, it was rigged. It was rigged so that a criminal could run, the polls have been rigged and the "election" day result will be rigged.

Other than that what a jackass statement.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 06, 2016, 05:15:33 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 04:06:41 PM

Comey Might have just handed the election to Trump...

I would love to read how you came to that conclusion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 05:16:35 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 04:06:41 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 06, 2016, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: Ste on November 06, 2016, 01:38:17 PM
CONSPIRACY!!!

LOL!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138 (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138)

Quote
The FBI has found no evidence of criminality in the new batch of Hillary Clinton emails.
In a letter to members of Congress, FBI director James Comey said the agency had finished its review and found nothing to change its position.
In July, he said Mrs Clinton had been careless but not criminal in handling sensitive material on her private email server while secretary of state.
The issue flared up again with the discovery of new "pertinent" emails.
They were reportedly found on the laptop of Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of one of Mrs Clinton's closest advisers.
"Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton," said Mr Comey in Sunday's letter to Congress.

This election is over. It's rigged, of course.

TomT, might be right,the election might be over, with a Trump victory in 2 days'
Comey Might have just handed the election to Trump, this just solidifies what Trump has been saying about a rigged system, and Clinton being above the law

My thoughts exactly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 05:30:12 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 05:16:35 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 04:06:41 PM
Quote from: TomT on November 06, 2016, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: Ste on November 06, 2016, 01:38:17 PM
CONSPIRACY!!!

LOL!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138 (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138)

Quote
The FBI has found no evidence of criminality in the new batch of Hillary Clinton emails.
In a letter to members of Congress, FBI director James Comey said the agency had finished its review and found nothing to change its position.
In July, he said Mrs Clinton had been careless but not criminal in handling sensitive material on her private email server while secretary of state.
The issue flared up again with the discovery of new "pertinent" emails.
They were reportedly found on the laptop of Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of one of Mrs Clinton's closest advisers.
"Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton," said Mr Comey in Sunday's letter to Congress.

This election is over. It's rigged, of course.

TomT, might be right,the election might be over, with a Trump victory in 2 days'
Comey Might have just handed the election to Trump, this just solidifies what Trump has been saying about a rigged system, and Clinton being above the law

My thoughts exactly.

I've already voted and since I'm not a rat *snip* Democrap I can't go vote another 10 times. Unfortunately they only need to fix the votes in a couple of states and their fait accompli is complete. Unless of course Trump sues like Al Gore did in 2000 but that only prolongs the misery of it all.

Barring some miracle of course and people simply vote Trump 2 to 1 over the Hildabeast.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 06:27:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 06, 2016, 05:30:12 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 06, 2016, 05:16:35 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 04:06:41 PM
Quote from: TomT on November 06, 2016, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: Ste on November 06, 2016, 01:38:17 PM
CONSPIRACY!!!

LOL!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138 (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138)

Quote
The FBI has found no evidence of criminality in the new batch of Hillary Clinton emails.
In a letter to members of Congress, FBI director James Comey said the agency had finished its review and found nothing to change its position.
In July, he said Mrs Clinton had been careless but not criminal in handling sensitive material on her private email server while secretary of state.
The issue flared up again with the discovery of new "pertinent" emails.
They were reportedly found on the laptop of Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of one of Mrs Clinton's closest advisers.
"Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton," said Mr Comey in Sunday's letter to Congress.

This election is over. It's rigged, of course.

TomT, might be right,the election might be over, with a Trump victory in 2 days'
Comey Might have just handed the election to Trump, this just solidifies what Trump has been saying about a rigged system, and Clinton being above the law

My thoughts exactly.

I've already voted and since I'm not a rat *snip* Democrap I can't go vote another 10 times. Unfortunately they only need to fix the votes in a couple of states and their fait accompli is complete. Unless of course Trump sues like Al Gore did in 2000 but that only prolongs the misery of it all.

Barring some miracle of course and people simply vote Trump 2 to 1 over the Hildabeast.

That is the only chance we got. I don't count on any fairness in this election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 06, 2016, 07:11:30 PM

Since there won't be much good news for you folks, I'll throw you a bone:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2016/11/05/iowa-poll-trump-opens-7-point-lead-over-clinton/93347134/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 07:15:40 PM

Wikileaks just released 8263 additional emails from the DNC.
Doubt it will matter.

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/?q=%40releasedate+%222016-11-07%22&mfrom=&mto=&title=&notitle=&date_from=&date_to=&nofrom=&noto=&count=50&sort=0#searchresult

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 07:16:04 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 06, 2016, 05:07:06 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 06, 2016, 03:37:33 PM
Quote from: Ste on November 06, 2016, 01:38:17 PM
CONSPIRACY!!!

LOL!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138 (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138)

Quote
The FBI has found no evidence of criminality in the new batch of Hillary Clinton emails.
In a letter to members of Congress, FBI director James Comey said the agency had finished its review and found nothing to change its position.
In July, he said Mrs Clinton had been careless but not criminal in handling sensitive material on her private email server while secretary of state.
The issue flared up again with the discovery of new "pertinent" emails.
They were reportedly found on the laptop of Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of one of Mrs Clinton's closest advisers.
"Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton," said Mr Comey in Sunday's letter to Congress.

This election is over. It's rigged, of course.

Please tell us of another US citizen who could destroy evidence (we're talking 30,000 emails) after being subpoena'd by the FBI.

Yes, it was rigged. It was rigged so that a criminal could run, the polls have been rigged and the "election" day result will be rigged.

Other than that what a jackass statement.

PS Did DNC chairwoman Donna Brazille get fired from CNN for stealing a question and feeding it to Hillary? Yep.

Did DNC operative Fogel have to resign in disgrace from "Americans United for Change"? Yep.

Did Robert Creamer visit the White House approximately 340 times and then later resign in disgrace for paying "protesters" to commit violence at Trump rally's? Yep.

Did Debbie Wasserman Schultz have to resign in disgrace over her comments about Bernie Sanders? Yep.

but nothing to see here, smarty pants says no rigging has been going on. not to mention the hands off policy towards Hillary but aggressive "reporting" towards Trump.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/31/donna-brazile-fired-cnn-contributor/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/19/two-democratic-operatives-lose-jobs-after-james-okeefe-sting/

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/36979-debbie-wasserman-schultz-resigns-in-disgrace-only-to-be-elevated-by-clinton-to-key-campaign-role#14784852976181&action=collapse_widget&id=0&data=

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 07:23:51 PM

There is reason for optimism, Today I seen over a dozen of Trump's adds on TV. Trump visits today Pence tomorrow, Minnesota might swing toward trump. Voting for a republican presidential candidate for the first time when my vote might actually matter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 07:25:14 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 07:23:51 PM

There is reason for optimism, Today I seen over a dozen of Trump's adds on TV. Trump visits today Pence tomorrow, Minnesota might swing toward trump. Voting for a republican presidential candidate for the first time when my vote might actually matter.

They say it's not over until the fat lady sings. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 07:41:14 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 06, 2016, 01:55:12 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 06, 2016, 01:38:17 PM
CONSPIRACY!!!

LOL!!

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138 (http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37892138)

Quote
The FBI has found no evidence of criminality in the new batch of Hillary Clinton emails.
In a letter to members of Congress, FBI director James Comey said the agency had finished its review and found nothing to change its position.
In July, he said Mrs Clinton had been careless but not criminal in handling sensitive material on her private email server while secretary of state.
The issue flared up again with the discovery of new "pertinent" emails.
They were reportedly found on the laptop of Anthony Weiner, the estranged husband of one of Mrs Clinton's closest advisers.
"Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton," said Mr Comey in Sunday's letter to Congress.

They got to him of course.

People who cross Hillary or Bill often die under mysterious circumstances.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 07:44:23 PM

CNN will have some explaining to do.

https://m.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5bjixk/new_wikileaks_dnc_leak_2_more_than_8000_dnc/?compact=false

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 07:48:10 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 07:44:23 PM

CNN will have some explaining to do.

https://m.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5bjixk/new_wikileaks_dnc_leak_2_more_than_8000_dnc/?compact=false

don't worry 'bout it. smarty pants tom implied there is no rigging going on.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/02/its-ignorant-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-without-reading-wikileaks/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 06, 2016, 07:51:58 PM

Remember when Bill was President ?

January 20, 1993 to January 20, 2001
Two term President

When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over an attempt to health care reform.

Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn't get a vote in a Democrat controlled US Congress.

This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million for studies, promotion, and other efforts.

Then, President Clinton gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general.

Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood. - both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration.

Next, she chose Janet Reno - husband Bill described her selection as "my worst mistake."

Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.

Husband Bill allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection.

When a little probing led to the discovery of Ms. Guanier's radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.

Apparently a slow learner, husband Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations.

She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department.

Her selections went well:
Hubbel went to prison, Foster (presumably) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

Many younger voters will have no knowledge of "Travelgate." Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson - and the White House Travel Office refused to comply.

She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired. This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month investigation.

Only one employee, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime, and that of the enormous crime of mixing personal and White House funds. A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours.

Still not convinced of her ineptness, Hillary was allowed to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security.

When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and the President denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House.

Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.

Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by Bill Clinton, Hillary was put in charge of the "bimbo eruption" and scandal defense.

Some of her more notable decisions in the debacle were:

She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Starr investigation, they settled with Ms. Jones.

She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor.

After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.

Hillary's devious game plan resulted in Bill losing his license to practice law for 'lying under oath' to a grand jury and then his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives.

Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating, "I do not recall," "I have no recollection," and "I don't know" a total of 56 times while under oath.

After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that she had "stolen."

What a swell person - ready for another four or eight years of this low-life fool?

Now we are exposed to the unsecure keeping and attempted destruction of beyond Top Secret emails while Hillary was US Secretary of State and the "pay to play" schemes of the Clinton Foundation.

What "shoe will fall" next?

But to her loyal fans: "What difference does it make?"

Electing Hillary Clinton president would be like granting Satan absolution and giving him the keys to heaven!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 07:57:26 PM

^If Shillary is elected she will be under Congressional investigation by Trey Gowdy and others until she is finally impeached. God willing she will be impeached before she starts World War III but don't count on it.

When the Russians and Chinese win our only hope is that they will put her in prison for war crimes.

Or sufficient numbers of Trumpers will vote on Tuesday and avoid these nightmare scenarios. :)

http://www.kake.com//story/33643370/trump-now-its-up-to-the-american-people-to-deliver-justice#.WB_0hzCkvgw.twitter

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 08:01:29 PM

Posted this link already, this is some great stuff, :coffeeread:

https://m.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5bjixk/new_wikileaks_dnc_leak_2_more_than_8000_dnc/?compact=false

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 08:15:19 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 08:01:29 PM

Posted this link already, this is some great stuff, :coffeeread:

https://m.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5bjixk/new_wikileaks_dnc_leak_2_more_than_8000_dnc/?compact=false

I think the "spirit cooking" was pretty bizarre. That and the "walnut sauce". Whatever that was...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2016, 09:32:10 PM

proof of vote rigging in favor of Democrats. a van full of illegal aliens votes at 6 different polling stations in AZ.

http://thelastlineofdefense.org/van-full-of-illegals-shows-up-to-vote-clinton-at-six-polling-places-still-think-voter-fraud-is-a-myth/

“They were just enthusiastic. Most of these people do not have criminal records before this,” an immigration official says, “with the exception of Enrique Calderon of Mexico.” The official explained that Calderon is wanted on two counts of rape and six counts of drug trafficking back in Mexico, where he will be returning soon.

Why aren’t the rest being sent back with him? Ask Obama."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 06, 2016, 09:42:07 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 06, 2016, 07:23:51 PM

There is reason for optimism...

You are correct; I'm optimistic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 07, 2016, 05:33:44 AM

Trump Lead Widens To 2, His Biggest Yet, Despite 'November Surprise': IBD/TIPP Poll

http://www.investors.com/politics/trump-lead-widens-to-2-his-biggest-yet-despite-november-surprise-ibdtipp-poll/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 07, 2016, 08:53:57 AM

On the image below, the cursor is placed on 28 October, the date of the ill-fated Comey announcement. Since the bulk of the data was collected prior to Comey's recantation on 6 November, Clinton is likely to fare better than trailing Trump by 1.4 percentage points as shown. Interestingly, Democratic voters were leading Republican voters by double digits in the early North Carolina voting, even before Comey admitted that he was an idiot.

Here is the challenge: who is willing to predict how much Comey's reversal will be worth to Clinton in the final tally? The baseline is -1.4. Here is a chance to show how smart you are (or are not).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2016, 09:10:09 AM

one more day to take out the trash. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 09:32:36 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 07, 2016, 08:53:57 AM

Here is the challenge: who is willing to predict how much Comey's reversal will be worth to Clinton in the final tally? The baseline is -1.4. Here is a chance to show how smart you are (or are not).

I'd say not much. I'd guess the margin will be less than 1%. North Carolina is absolutely a "toss-up" state. Anybody who thinks they know the winner is absolutely speculating.

I think the original announcement 8 days ago will have more effect on the down ballot elections and insure Burr's re-election to the Senate.

I project the Republicans will control the Senate with a 51-49 margin. If so. we may have a 8-justice Supreme Court for the next 4 years thank God!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 11:03:46 AM

Stock market roaring rally today in anticipation of a Clinton victory tomorrow.

Up 350+

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2016, 11:24:20 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 11:03:46 AM

Stock market roaring rally today in anticipation of a Clinton victory tomorrow.
Up 350+

Proving what we've been saying all along. Clinton is bought and paid for by Wall Street and other "elites". Enjoy your short lived "prosperity".

Whether it's Clinton or Trump you and your ilk have already ruined this country by manufacturing wealth and selling our assets to overseas buyers.

with a Clinton "victory" the party will be over sooner, that's all.

https://twitter.com/hectormorenco/status/794756392166912000

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 07, 2016, 11:42:55 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 11:03:46 AM

Stock market roaring rally today in anticipation of a Clinton victory tomorrow.

Up 350+

What happened in the pre-Brexit runup, to the British stocks? Same thing I thought?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 07, 2016, 11:48:30 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 09:32:36 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 07, 2016, 08:53:57 AM
Here is the challenge: who is willing to predict how much Comey's reversal will be worth to Clinton in the final tally? The baseline is -1.4. Here is a chance to show how smart you are (or are not).

I'd say not much. I'd guess the margin will be less than 1%.

Anyone else?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 07, 2016, 11:52:22 AM

This election is about to get interesting in the final hours.
Couldn't believe my eyes at the amount of Trump, Pence signs that appeared over night. I had a about a 15 miles drive to work quit counting signs after 120. I thinking Trumps strategic planning to flip a couple blue states that Hillary took for granted would naturally follow past voting trends.

Fox News Electoral Scorecard: Map shifts again in Trump's favor, as Clinton holds edge

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/07/fox-news-electoral-scorecard-map-shifts-again-in-trumps-favor-as-clinton-holds-edge.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2016, 11:54:07 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 07, 2016, 08:53:57 AM

On the image below, the cursor is placed on 28 October, the date of the ill-fated Comey announcement. Since the bulk of the data was collected prior to Comey's recantation on 6 November, Clinton is likely to fare better than trailing Trump by 1.4 percentage points as shown. Interestingly, Democratic voters were leading Republican voters by double digits in the early North Carolina voting, even before Comey admitted that he was an idiot.

Here is the challenge: who is willing to predict how much Comey's reversal will be worth to Clinton in the final tally? The baseline is -1.4. Here is a chance to show how smart you are (or are not).

Trump had already been trending towards victory prior to Comey's exercise in futility. Likely a planned distraction.

https://twitter.com/hectormorenco/status/795659098641444864

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 07, 2016, 11:56:25 AM

Yesterday, Nate Silver was calling Florida, North Carolina and Nevada for Trump. Today, he is calling those states for Clinton. Either Nate is bipolar or the new data was slow to arrive.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 07, 2016, 11:58:03 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 11:54:07 AM

Trump had already been trending towards victory prior to Comey's exercise in futility.

Sure he was.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 12:01:21 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 07, 2016, 11:56:25 AM

Yesterday, Nate Silver was calling Florida, North Carolina and Nevada for Trump. Today, he is calling those states for Clinton. Either Nate is bipolar or the new data was slow to arrive.

He says Clinton 2-1

He says Trump is ahead in BOTH NC and FL

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2016, 12:06:56 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 07, 2016, 11:58:03 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 11:54:07 AM
Trump had already been trending towards victory prior to Comey's exercise in futility.

Sure he was.

You can wipe your backside with your msm "polls". They're about as good as the fairness of a CNN moderated debate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 07, 2016, 12:07:35 PM

Hillary must be worried and called in a few favors. Not only was wikileaks Targeted today, but also the western liberal media is pushing the Rape story trying to pull attention away from the real news on wikileaks

WikiLeaks says email publication servers under targeted DoS attack since #DNCLeak2

https://www.rt.com/news/365576-wikileaks-servers-dos-attack/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 07, 2016, 12:12:19 PM

Didn't TomT say the monkey was most accurate?
The monkey picked Trump. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 12:19:08 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 07, 2016, 12:07:35 PM

Hillary must be worried and called in a few favors.

I think the Clinton campaign is a bit worried.

The fact that on the last day they're in Michigan, a solid Blue state is "interesting"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2016, 12:24:36 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 12:19:08 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 07, 2016, 12:07:35 PM
Hillary must be worried and called in a few favors.

I think the Clinton campaign is a bit worried.

The fact that on the last day they're in Michigan, a solid Blue state is "interesting"

It's not a "solid" blue state anymore. Trump had a huge rally there, here is the video of it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 12:44:33 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 12:24:36 PM

It's not a "solid" blue state anymore. Trump had a huge rally there, here is the video of it.

Pretty Blue.

Clinton up by 4+

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2016, 12:54:25 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 12:44:33 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 12:24:36 PM
It's not a "solid" blue state anymore. Trump had a huge rally there, here is the video of it.

Pretty Blue.

Clinton up by 4+

oh Clinton is up by 4 according to the main street media is she? which means that she's really down by 6. :-*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 01:01:21 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 12:54:25 PM

oh Clinton is up by 4 according to the main street media is she? which means that she's really down by 6. :-*

I think you're going to be really disappointed tomorrow night when the election is over before 9pm

I'm praying I'm right on my Senate prediction of 51-49

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2016, 01:03:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 01:01:21 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 12:54:25 PM
oh Clinton is up by 4 according to the main street media is she? which means that she's really down by 6. :-*

I think you're going to be really disappointed tomorrow night when the election is over before 9pm

I'm praying I'm right on my Senate prediction of 51-49

Hillary needs the black vote to beat Trump. She referred to blacks as "super predators" who need to be brought to "heel".
If they vote for her they are super stupid, that's for sure. She also referred to Bernie supporters as "basement dwellers". I don't expect many of them to vote for her either.

I don't expect the election to be over tomorrow. At least not the Presidential portion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 07, 2016, 01:04:27 PM

Think Hillary might be preparing for a loss?

Clinton Cancels Election Night Fireworks Show

https://www.buzzfeed.com/emaoconnor/not-out-with-a-bang-but-with-a-whisper?utm_term=.boO9dlzy9#.fd2mnpwDm

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 07, 2016, 01:09:11 PM

Quote from: Slumba on November 07, 2016, 11:42:55 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 11:03:46 AM
Stock market roaring rally today in anticipation of a Clinton victory tomorrow.

Up 350+

What happened in the pre-Brexit runup, to the British stocks? Same thing I thought?

I was about to say the same thing. You just never know....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2016, 01:20:23 PM

Quote from: rosco on November 07, 2016, 01:09:11 PM

Quote from: Slumba on November 07, 2016, 11:42:55 AM
Quote from: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 11:03:46 AM
Stock market roaring rally today in anticipation of a Clinton victory tomorrow.

Up 350+

What happened in the pre-Brexit runup, to the British stocks? Same thing I thought?

I was about to say the same thing. You just never know....

on Brexit I noticed Moby was the fear monger and on Trump over here it's Shakespear! :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 07, 2016, 01:27:40 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 01:20:23 PM

Quote from: rosco on November 07, 2016, 01:09:11 PM
Quote from: Slumba on November 07, 2016, 11:42:55 AM
Quote from: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 11:03:46 AM
Stock market roaring rally today in anticipation of a Clinton victory tomorrow.

Up 350+

What happened in the pre-Brexit runup, to the British stocks? Same thing I thought?

I was about to say the same thing. You just never know....

on Brexit I noticed Moby was the fear monger and on Trump over here it's Shakespear! :'(

Not was, IS.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2016, 01:30:30 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 07, 2016, 01:27:40 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: rosco on November 07, 2016, 01:09:11 PM
Quote from: Slumba on November 07, 2016, 11:42:55 AM
Quote from: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 11:03:46 AM
Stock market roaring rally today in anticipation of a Clinton victory tomorrow.

Up 350+

What happened in the pre-Brexit runup, to the British stocks? Same thing I thought?

I was about to say the same thing. You just never know....

on Brexit I noticed Moby was the fear monger and on Trump over here it's Shakespear! :'(

Not was, IS.....

I read that Brexit was voted for back in June. :-X

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 07, 2016, 01:34:09 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 01:30:30 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 07, 2016, 01:27:40 PM
Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: rosco on November 07, 2016, 01:09:11 PM
Quote from: Slumba on November 07, 2016, 11:42:55 AM
Quote from: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 11:03:46 AM
Stock market roaring rally today in anticipation of a Clinton victory tomorrow.

Up 350+

What happened in the pre-Brexit runup, to the British stocks? Same thing I thought?

I was about to say the same thing. You just never know....

on Brexit I noticed Moby was the fear monger and on Trump over here it's Shakespear! :'(

Not was, IS.....

I read that Brexit was voted for back in June. :-X

It was, just he has not accepted to result yet....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 07, 2016, 01:42:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 01:30:30 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 07, 2016, 01:27:40 PM
Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 01:20:23 PM
Quote from: rosco on November 07, 2016, 01:09:11 PM
Quote from: Slumba on November 07, 2016, 11:42:55 AM
Quote from: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 11:03:46 AM
Stock market roaring rally today in anticipation of a Clinton victory tomorrow.

Up 350+

What happened in the pre-Brexit runup, to the British stocks? Same thing I thought?

I was about to say the same thing. You just never know....

on Brexit I noticed Moby was the fear monger and on Trump over here it's Shakespear! :'(

Not was, IS.....

I read that Brexit was voted for back in June. :-X

Yes it was but the referendum act and the actual referendum paper was so poorly written and thought and Cameron et al knew it it was never going to sail through.

The question was 'SHOULD the UK etc..' not enough for a legal document and the fact that the referendum act 2015 says referenda are advisory only to be debated in parliament means it's all in disarray sonce the govermment tried to take it through withut recourse to parliament. Clusterfook....

The whole thing was devised to ensure another term for the Tory gov and it backfired because the entire establishment expected a Stay vote and for whatever reasons that didn't happen and blew up in Cameron's face hence his step down.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 07, 2016, 01:57:09 PM

Even Channel 4 throwing objectivity to the winds with anti Trump bias.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 07, 2016, 02:10:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 12:54:25 PM

oh Clinton is up by 4 according to the main street media is she? which means that she's really down by 6. :-*

Educated people refer to it as "mainstream media."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 07, 2016, 02:35:43 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 07, 2016, 02:10:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 12:54:25 PM
oh Clinton is up by 4 according to the main street media is she? which means that she's really down by 6. :-*

Educated people refer to it as "mainstream media."

Typical sneering from the so called 'liberal elite' who aren't actually liberal at all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 07, 2016, 03:39:37 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 07, 2016, 02:10:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 12:54:25 PM
oh Clinton is up by 4 according to the main street media is she? which means that she's really down by 6. :-*

Educated people refer to it as "mainstream media."

Maybe he was referring to his local newspaper?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 07, 2016, 05:42:30 PM

Google must be trying to help Hillary. As a rule when I use my search my previous search will show first. Today the search suggested each time first has been fbi announcement.
Finally I took the bait and of course plastered with liberal media articles proclaiming Hillary is in the clear.
I did find this article amongst the trash.
I do hope that Hillary will eventually get changed

Just After FBI Let Hillary Clinton Off the Hook, RNC Makes SHOCKING Announcement!Read more:

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/hillary-fbi-off-hook-rnc-makes-shocking-announcement/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2016, 05:47:46 PM

Quote from: rosco on November 07, 2016, 03:39:37 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 07, 2016, 02:10:43 PM
Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 12:54:25 PM
oh Clinton is up by 4 according to the main street media is she? which means that she's really down by 6. :-*

Educated people refer to it as "mainstream media."

Maybe he was referring to his local newspaper?

I deliberately interchange the two ways of saying it to irritate the likes of him. :laugh:

If you go back and look I've also referred to it in the normal way which is "mainstream media". I like main street, as in how normal folk feel. He's a little minnow fish which can only swim along with the other minnows in the stream. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 07, 2016, 05:57:04 PM

Watching local T.V.news, and the survey question asked was what issue most influenced your decision ? Here in Minnesota, security and immigration, was first followed by health care costs.
Both favor Trump. If this is what people feel are key issues, the United states will have a president Trump. :party0031:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on November 07, 2016, 08:16:37 PM

Some small observations from a Canuck regarding this gongshow that'll wrap up tomorrow night (maybe there is a god) after like what, Two years and a thousand rallies? What a circus.
Anyway, I've watched some left and right US television
newscasters, and well it reads like this forum. Trump the reprobate gets a pass on his behaviour by FOX, yet they go after Clinton over her use of emails on a non government server.
Trump gets mentioned and taken to task over his behaviour at CNN. RIghtwing media seem to engage in lots of emotion and conspiracy. At times facts don't seem to matter, much like this place.
Fact is Trump has alienated enough Latins to lose the election, you can't win a popularity contest by insulting most of the people in your country. Mexico will never pay for a wall, and dismantling NAFTA will have Americans on the unemployment line, because due to NAFTA they have jobs building stuff going to Canada.
The world has moved towards making trading treaties such as NAFTA, but Trump thinks he can wind the economy back to 1935.

I guess America is angry and Trump is somehow going to magically bring back factory jobs by the thousands. Don't see that happening, but I guess it's nice to dream.

Any woo, y'all get out and vote tomorrow.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2016, 08:33:16 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 07, 2016, 08:16:37 PM

Some small observations from a Canuck regarding this gongshow that'll wrap up tomorrow night (maybe there is a god) after like what, Two years and a thousand rallies? What a circus.
Anyway, I've watched some left and right US television
newscasters, and well it reads like this forum. Trump the reprobate gets a pass on his behaviour by FOX, yet they go after Clinton over her use of emails on a non government server.
Trump gets mentioned and taken to task over his behaviour at CNN. RIghtwing media seem to engage in lots of emotion and conspiracy. At times facts don't seem to matter, much like this place.
Fact is Trump has alienated enough Latins to lose the election, you can't win a popularity contest by insulting most of the people in your country. Mexico will never pay for a wall, and dismantling NAFTA will have Americans on the unemployment line, because due to NAFTA they have jobs building stuff going to Canada.
The world has moved towards making trading treaties such as NAFTA, but Trump thinks he can wind the economy back to 1935.

I guess America is angry and Trump is somehow going to magically bring back factory jobs by the thousands. Don't see that happening, but I guess it's nice to dream.

Any woo, y'all get out and vote tomorrow.

I'm glad that you live in Canada as you've proven why the "mainstream media" is highly effective at getting sheep to go along with the usual propaganda.

Now if you or anyone else would like to learn something, read this article. The main reason Trump is the far better choice is that he's pledged to stop the endless wars in the middle east.

Building a wall to keep our country safe and secure is of course important. Believe it or not there are Latin Americans who agree with Trump and other Americans that a secure border would result in managed and legal immigration and far fewer drugs polluting our youth and others.

https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/hillarys-warped-notion-of-american-exceptionalism-and-indispensability/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 07, 2016, 08:59:53 PM

The North Carolina poll data is easy to read because only Quinnipiac and the NYT include any data that was taken after the Comey recantation (5 November). That would put Clinton up by one point. However, Clinton fell from +3 to -1.5 after Comey's 28 October announcement. In theory, she should get it all back but probably won't because not everyone will get the word. If 2/3 of the the voters who switched switch back, she will be at +1.5. This number makes better sense than the Quinnipiac/NYT number (+1) because the Comey effect had already flattened by 5 November. My guess is Clinton +1.5 at worst and +2.0 at best.

I'm waiting for the Trump fans to dazzle me with their analyses.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2016, 09:20:02 PM

^ https://twitter.com/pnehlen/status/795814359041720320

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on November 07, 2016, 10:54:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 08:33:16 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 07, 2016, 08:16:37 PM
Some small observations from a Canuck regarding this gongshow that'll wrap up tomorrow night (maybe there is a god) after like what, Two years and a thousand rallies? What a circus.
Anyway, I've watched some left and right US television
newscasters, and well it reads like this forum. Trump the reprobate gets a pass on his behaviour by FOX, yet they go after Clinton over her use of emails on a non government server.
Trump gets mentioned and taken to task over his behaviour at CNN. RIghtwing media seem to engage in lots of emotion and conspiracy. At times facts don't seem to matter, much like this place.
Fact is Trump has alienated enough Latins to lose the election, you can't win a popularity contest by insulting most of the people in your country. Mexico will never pay for a wall, and dismantling NAFTA will have Americans on the unemployment line, because due to NAFTA they have jobs building stuff going to Canada.
The world has moved towards making trading treaties such as NAFTA, but Trump thinks he can wind the economy back to 1935.

I guess America is angry and Trump is somehow going to magically bring back factory jobs by the thousands. Don't see that happening, but I guess it's nice to dream.

Any woo, y'all get out and vote tomorrow.

I'm glad that you live in Canada as you've proven why the "mainstream media" is highly effective at getting sheep to go along with the usual propaganda.

Now if you or anyone else would like to learn something, read this article. The main reason Trump is the far better choice is that he's pledged to stop the endless wars in the middle east.

Building a wall to keep our country safe and secure is of course important. Believe it or not there are Latin Americans who agree with Trump and other Americans that a secure border would result in managed and legal immigration and far fewer drugs polluting our youth and others.

https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/hillarys-warped-notion-of-american-exceptionalism-and-indispensability/

You really need to expand your narrow thread of news sources. Anyone can blog away and pass on the false crap as real journalism.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2016, 11:19:50 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 07, 2016, 10:54:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 08:33:16 PM
Quote from: Donhollio on November 07, 2016, 08:16:37 PM
Some small observations from a Canuck regarding this gongshow that'll wrap up tomorrow night (maybe there is a god) after like what, Two years and a thousand rallies? What a circus.
Anyway, I've watched some left and right US television
newscasters, and well it reads like this forum. Trump the reprobate gets a pass on his behaviour by FOX, yet they go after Clinton over her use of emails on a non government server.
Trump gets mentioned and taken to task over his behaviour at CNN. RIghtwing media seem to engage in lots of emotion and conspiracy. At times facts don't seem to matter, much like this place.
Fact is Trump has alienated enough Latins to lose the election, you can't win a popularity contest by insulting most of the people in your country. Mexico will never pay for a wall, and dismantling NAFTA will have Americans on the unemployment line, because due to NAFTA they have jobs building stuff going to Canada.
The world has moved towards making trading treaties such as NAFTA, but Trump thinks he can wind the economy back to 1935.

I guess America is angry and Trump is somehow going to magically bring back factory jobs by the thousands. Don't see that happening, but I guess it's nice to dream.

Any woo, y'all get out and vote tomorrow.

I'm glad that you live in Canada as you've proven why the "mainstream media" is highly effective at getting sheep to go along with the usual propaganda.

Now if you or anyone else would like to learn something, read this article. The main reason Trump is the far better choice is that he's pledged to stop the endless wars in the middle east.

Building a wall to keep our country safe and secure is of course important. Believe it or not there are Latin Americans who agree with Trump and other Americans that a secure border would result in managed and legal immigration and far fewer drugs polluting our youth and others.

https://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/hillarys-warped-notion-of-american-exceptionalism-and-indispensability/
You really need to expand your narrow thread of news sources. Anyone can blog away and pass on the false crap as real journalism.

Cornhollio, what do you call "journalism"??? You don't have a clue buddy, this much is very obvious. Not even a remote clue. You don't even have a clue that our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves with the thought of a corrupt Lenin like person having power in the USA.

I would say do some research but I can tell you can barely read a comic book. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 07, 2016, 11:42:00 PM

Let the landslide begin.

Trump takes 32-25 lead in New Hampshire after midnight voting

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/08/midnight-new-hampshire-voting/93455396/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2016, 11:42:53 PM

American comeback story.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 02:52:06 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 11:42:53 PM

American comeback story.

That was one of the most touching stories I have ever watched. Thank you!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 08, 2016, 05:25:56 AM

How's the turnout looking?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 05:28:51 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 08, 2016, 05:25:56 AM

How's the turnout looking?

It is only 6:27 AM CST I'll let you know later today.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 08, 2016, 05:39:08 AM

:thumbsup:

Quote from: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 05:28:51 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 08, 2016, 05:25:56 AM
How's the turnout looking?

It is only 6:27 AM CST I'll let you know later today.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 08, 2016, 07:16:09 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 07, 2016, 11:42:00 PM

Let the landslide begin.

Trump takes 32-25 lead in New Hampshire after midnight voting

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/08/midnight-new-hampshire-voting/93455396/

Who would have thought: hillbilly hamlets in New Hampshire?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 08, 2016, 08:07:20 AM

Listen to an expert on why it is that your votes are so important!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 10:29:09 AM

Shakespeare might like this opinion piece by Greg Gutfeld. Gutfeld makes the argument that no matter who wins, life will go on. If Hillary wins she will be hobbled by scandals and move to the right in how she "leads". If Trump wins he will move to the left. Seems to be a pretty rational argument.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/11/07/greg-gutfeld-three-most-important-lies-about-this-election.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 10:35:25 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 08, 2016, 07:16:09 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 07, 2016, 11:42:00 PM
Let the landslide begin.

Trump takes 32-25 lead in New Hampshire after midnight voting

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/11/08/midnight-new-hampshire-voting/93455396/

Who would have thought: hillbilly hamlets in New Hampshire?

Still in denial that some Yankees have more common sense than you do?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 08, 2016, 10:40:29 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2016, 10:29:09 AM

Shakespeare might like this opinion piece by Greg Gutfeld. Gutfeld makes the argument that no matter who wins, life will go on. If Hillary wins she will be hobbled by scandals and move to the right in how she "leads". If Trump wins he will move to the left. Seems to be a pretty rational argument.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/11/07/greg-gutfeld-three-most-important-lies-about-this-election.html

On the whole that is to be expected.

My thought is that in terms of public opinion at least, foreign policy is the area where a president has the greatest leeway because it does not, on the whole, negatively affect the Average American, no matter what is done and by whom. In fact, many Americans are better off when the government is going round acting like the biggest arse in the universe - 'defence' spending and the attendant pork barreling is good for millions of you guys. Military employment is a good alternative to unemployment for those for whom working as a security guard would otherwise be a stretch and even those who get hurt 'defending the world for democracy' get a nice pension and healthcare - or at least better than the cardboard box under the flyover that they'd otherwise have had.

Domestically all the turkeys want christmas and they all want their cranberry jelly on the side so entitlements will remain the same. Education will continue to decline because nobody likes a smart voter and you will be encouraged to stock up on nice juicy debt because nothing makes a slave better than the chains he chooses for himself.

Thus it will be in 'world safety' that the differences will be seen. The only caveat there being the ability of Trump to resist the forces that want to shove the US closer to the brink of war and perhaps over it.

We know that Clinton is game on for more war and Trump is, at least, saying less war but can he resist those entrenched and very dangerous forces who are backing the Clinton campaign?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 10:59:59 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 08, 2016, 08:07:20 AM

Listen to an expert on why it is that your votes are so important!

This was hilarious! I liked the part about why would we want to allow an election to be determined by the popular vote? Because if we did that, we would be more like Russia, and it's cold in Russia! tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 11:42:42 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2016, 10:59:59 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 08, 2016, 08:07:20 AM
Listen to an expert on why it is that your votes are so important!

This was hilarious! I liked the part about why would we want to allow an election to be determined by the popular vote? Because if we did that, we would be more like Russia, and it's cold in Russia! tiphat

I don't think Andrew posted it to be hilarious but rather insulting to us "USAsians." That is OK by me.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 11:45:41 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 08, 2016, 10:40:29 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2016, 10:29:09 AM
Shakespeare might like this opinion piece by Greg Gutfeld. Gutfeld makes the argument that no matter who wins, life will go on. If Hillary wins she will be hobbled by scandals and move to the right in how she "leads". If Trump wins he will move to the left. Seems to be a pretty rational argument.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/11/07/greg-gutfeld-three-most-important-lies-about-this-election.html

On the whole that is to be expected.

My thought is that in terms of public opinion at least, foreign policy is the area where a president has the greatest leeway because it does not, on the whole, negatively affect the Average American, no matter what is done and by whom. In fact, many Americans are better off when the government is going round acting like the biggest arse in the universe - 'defence' spending and the attendant pork barreling is good for millions of you guys. Military employment is a good alternative to unemployment for those for whom working as a security guard would otherwise be a stretch and even those who get hurt 'defending the world for democracy' get a nice pension and healthcare - or at least better than the cardboard box under the flyover that they'd otherwise have had.

Domestically all the turkeys want christmas and they all want their cranberry jelly on the side so entitlements will remain the same. Education will continue to decline because nobody likes a smart voter and you will be encouraged to stock up on nice juicy debt because nothing makes a slave better than the chains he chooses for himself.

Thus it will be in 'world safety' that the differences will be seen. The only caveat there being the ability of Trump to resist the forces that want to shove the US closer to the brink of war and perhaps over it.

We know that Clinton is game on for more war and Trump is, at least, saying less war but can he resist those entrenched and very dangerous forces who are backing the Clinton campaign?

Nicely written. It has a rather lyrical quality to it.

I have get ready now to go vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 11:48:09 AM

A Syrian muslim woman who prefers Trump and why.

https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU8/status/796055613608366080

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 12:07:47 PM

Good versus Evil. And I'm not kidding. When I see her face, hear her voice and look at the expressions on her face I see pure Evil. And you? What is your opinion?

https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/796066014366568449

super creepy Hillary video.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 08, 2016, 12:42:11 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 11:42:42 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2016, 10:59:59 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on November 08, 2016, 08:07:20 AM
Listen to an expert on why it is that your votes are so important!

This was hilarious! I liked the part about why would we want to allow an election to be determined by the popular vote? Because if we did that, we would be more like Russia, and it's cold in Russia! tiphat

I don't think Andrew posted it to be hilarious but rather insulting to us "USAsians." That is OK by me.

The piece is funny and rather unusual in that the video is genuine satire, not what you poor Americans have been taught, that satire is a synonym for 'lies'. Pierce is funny, makes good observations and uses humour to make critical points - that's what satire is.

The bloke is no Jonathan Swift but he has the right idea!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 02:04:07 PM

Black guy with a red Trump #MAGA hat on in the voting booth photobombs an MSNBC reporter who looked pissed! :laugh:

https://twitter.com/America_1st_/status/796083130193088513

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 08, 2016, 03:14:20 PM

Oh lookee, voting machines in PA defaulting to Clinton.

http://citizensvoice.com/news/da-recruiting-fbi-to-investigate-vote-flipping-complaints-1.2114897

Hooda thunk it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 08, 2016, 03:27:39 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 08, 2016, 03:14:20 PM

Oh lookee, voting machines in PA defaulting to Clinton.

http://citizensvoice.com/news/da-recruiting-fbi-to-investigate-vote-flipping-complaints-1.2114897

Hooda thunk it?

My view as to why HRC has been so smug - her underling have assured her that the fix is in... the media and the vote fraudsters will carry her into office. Remains to be seen if that happens.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 03:58:15 PM

Just finished voting. In and out less than 10 minutes.
Turnouts has been huge many waiting two hours and longer.
Felt good to vote Trump, at least now I have the right to complain if the bag lady cheats her way into office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 04:17:59 PM

Quote from: Slumba on November 08, 2016, 03:27:39 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 08, 2016, 03:14:20 PM
Oh lookee, voting machines in PA defaulting to Clinton.

http://citizensvoice.com/news/da-recruiting-fbi-to-investigate-vote-flipping-complaints-1.2114897

Hooda thunk it?

My view as to why HRC has been so smug - her underling have assured her that the fix is in... the media and the vote fraudsters will carry her into office. Remains to be seen if that happens.

What are the odds that these machines only switch votes from republicans to democrats ?
Of course as long as no one noticed the votes cast will stand.
That's how it's done the democratic way. :censored:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 04:38:54 PM

In Indiana and Kentucky Trump is up by a huge amount but only couple percent counted so far

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 08, 2016, 04:39:34 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 03:58:15 PM

Just finished voting. In and out less than 10 minutes.
Turnouts has been huge many waiting two hours and longer.

'in and out in 10 mins ,,,, 'queuing for 2 hours'... ? Which is it ? Are they forming two lines ... one for Trump and the other for Clinton, TC ? ;)

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 03:58:15 PM

Felt good to vote Trump, at least now I have the right to complain if the bag lady cheats her way into office.

Once again - if he wins - what does that tell you about 'electoral fraud' / 'vote rigging' BS from the Trump campaign ? :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 08, 2016, 04:42:07 PM

'Make America great again'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 08, 2016, 05:05:34 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 04:38:54 PM

In Indiana and Kentucky Trump is up by a huge amount but only couple percent counted so far

Here we go.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 05:15:46 PM

Florida is looking good for Trump at the moment, if he wins Florida he has a chance .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on November 08, 2016, 05:24:20 PM

Less than an hour to go before the local polling stations close.

This election year has been a circus. But is nowhere close to the 1968 election year with war protests, racial riots, hippies, and assassinations. Ahh.. the good old days. (:) :LIMP: :GRAVE: :fighting0025:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 05:46:32 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 08, 2016, 03:14:20 PM

Oh lookee, voting machines in PA defaulting to Clinton.

http://citizensvoice.com/news/da-recruiting-fbi-to-investigate-vote-flipping-complaints-1.2114897

Hooda thunk it?

These machines have been my fear all along. So far record voting is occurring and most of it so far for Trump. He has won Indiana (Mike Pence's home state and the first state to go for Trump), Kentucky and West Virginia. Florida has been neck and neck but Trump has a small lead as of right now.

Again I'm convinced that the machines in only two states could throw this election. There have been voter fraud issues in Utah and Arizona as well. Not sure if these issues are large enough to throw the election but they should not happen at all. With a crook like Hussein O. in office is why this crap is allowed to happen.

Hopefully the good guys win tonight. The alternative is scary.

As of right now Trump has 24 electoral votes and Hillary has 3.

It's much too early but it does feel good to score some early points.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 08, 2016, 05:50:51 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2016, 05:46:32 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 08, 2016, 03:14:20 PM
Oh lookee, voting machines in PA defaulting to Clinton.

http://citizensvoice.com/news/da-recruiting-fbi-to-investigate-vote-flipping-complaints-1.2114897

Hooda thunk it?

These machines have been my fear all along. So far record voting is occurring and most of it so far for Trump. He has won Indiana (Mike Pence's home state and the first state to go for Trump), Kentucky and West Virginia. Florida has been neck and neck but Trump has a small lead as of right now.

Again I'm convinced that the machines in only two states could throw this election. There have been voter fraud issues in Utah and Arizona as well. Not sure if these issues are large enough to throw the election but they should not happen at all. With a crook like Hussein O. in office is why this crap is allowed to keep happening.

Hopefully the good guys win tonight. The alternative is scary.

As of right now Trump has 24 electoral votes and Hillary has 3.

It's much too early but it does feel good to score some early points.

He needs Virginia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 05:53:52 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 08, 2016, 05:50:51 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2016, 05:46:32 PM
Quote from: Manny on November 08, 2016, 03:14:20 PM
Oh lookee, voting machines in PA defaulting to Clinton.

http://citizensvoice.com/news/da-recruiting-fbi-to-investigate-vote-flipping-complaints-1.2114897

Hooda thunk it?

These machines have been my fear all along. So far record voting is occurring and most of it so far for Trump. He has won Indiana (Mike Pence's home state and the first state to go for Trump), Kentucky and West Virginia. Florida has been neck and neck but Trump has a small lead as of right now.

Again I'm convinced that the machines in only two states could throw this election. There have been voter fraud issues in Utah and Arizona as well. Not sure if these issues are large enough to throw the election but they should not happen at all. With a crook like Hussein O. in office is why this crap is allowed to keep happening.

Hopefully the good guys win tonight. The alternative is scary.

As of right now Trump has 24 electoral votes and Hillary has 3.

It's much too early but it does feel good to score some early points.
He needs Virginia.

That would be nice but he might take Michigan which would make up for losing Virginia.

Trump now has 24 electoral votes versus Hillary 3.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 06:02:54 PM

They (NBC) just called a bunch of states and Hillary has taken the lead.

Hillary 75 versus Trump 66

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 08, 2016, 06:17:19 PM

Here's a surprise: Trump is 7 points behind in Ohio. Reporting is only at 15%, though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 08, 2016, 06:45:19 PM

The surprise is he is way up in Virginia. Over 60 per cent of the votes counted and up by more than 6 per cent. Just a couple of weeks ago he stop campaigning in Virginia because he thought it was a lost cause. Also he is winning Florida by 2 per cent with 71 per cent of the votes in.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 06:47:42 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 08, 2016, 06:45:19 PM

The surprise is he is way up in Virginia. Over 60 per cent of the votes counted and up by more than 6 per cent. Just a couple of weeks ago he stop campaigning in Virginia because he thought it was a lost cause. Also he is winning Florida by 2 per cent with 71 per cent of the votes in.

Pay attention to this: if the numbers were reversed in favor of Clinton in Virginia, they would call it for her. Because it's Trump who is winning, they claim it is "too close to call". This is how these weasel journalists try to help their preferred candidate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 06:50:27 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 08, 2016, 06:17:19 PM

Here's a surprise: Trump is 7 points behind in Ohio. Reporting is only at 15%, though.

This is actually a surprise. I had thought Trump would be neck and neck or possibly winning Ohio by a wee bit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 06:58:41 PM

Quote from: msmoby on November 08, 2016, 04:42:07 PM

'Make America great again'

Hmmmm. Mostly garbage propaganda about beating up Muslims and Mexicans. However I liked the part about "no more small breasts". Now that was funny. :ROFL: :ROFL: (1 minute and 30 seconds into it)

However I can see why Russian authorities don't like these fools. They take one thing and twist it so far from the truth, that they are essentially trying to start a riot with their dishonesty.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 07:05:31 PM

Trump is not disappointing so he is right on par. The country is turning red. :party0031:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 07:09:09 PM

NBC now has Trump back in the lead for electoral votes.

Trump has 137 versus 104 for Clinton.

Florida is so tight that they say they might not have a result until early morning. Trump has a small lead.

Trump still leading in Virginia. Trump has a very small lead in Ohio.

Trump has a tiny lead in "blue state" Michigan. When I say tiny, I mean tiny as in only 70 votes. 12% reporting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 08, 2016, 07:09:30 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 07:05:31 PM

Trump is not disappointing so he is right on par. The country is turning red. :party0031:

Now he is leading in Ohio. They gave Trump Texas and all the due states to the north of Texas to Canada. Of the votes counted as of now Trump is up 5 per cent.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 07:21:47 PM

Clinton should be getting worried about now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 08, 2016, 07:26:03 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 07:21:47 PM

Clinton should be getting worried about now.

Have the FBI arrived at her campaign headquarters?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 07:27:43 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 08, 2016, 07:26:03 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 07:21:47 PM
Clinton should be getting worried about now.

Have the FBI arrived at her campaign headquarters?

Comey's FBI is not her worry. Her worry is Trump's special prosecutor. Although I believe if Trump wins he will let this go as a method to heal the country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 07:28:42 PM

Trump so far has won: AL, AR, IN, KS, KY, MS, ND, NE, OK, SC, SD, TN, TX, WV, WY http://bit.ly/2dZV4Xh

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 08, 2016, 07:36:00 PM

If one looks at the Senate election in Florida, M. Rubio has won and will pull along D. Trump to win this state.

The same holds true in Virginia and Ohio.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 07:42:17 PM

HOLY COW! The New York Times is now predicting a Trump win. At least that's what I just read on Twitter.

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/796180243157352449

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 08, 2016, 07:42:43 PM

It's beginning to look as though Andrew was right; we are the Marching Morons.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 07:46:24 PM

Per my prediction Trump is easily winning the popular vote with 34 percent reporting. I'm crossing my fingers and holding my breath for the electoral vote results. NY Times says that Trump has won Florida with 95% reporting. It's looking good if you're a Trump supporter!

https://twitter.com/AmericanMex067/status/796016965374459904

(super cool video, just let it play after clicking on the link above)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 07:48:03 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 08, 2016, 07:42:43 PM

It's beginning to look as though Andrew was right; we are the Marching Morons.

Speak for yourself. You previously claimed you did not condone any country interfering in the affairs of others yet when given the opportunity to explain why your words did not match your actions you were conspicuously silent.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 08, 2016, 07:55:07 PM

While I am viewing this from several time zones away. It looks from here that Shillary will get to 220 +/- Electoral Votes.

There are some +/- 30 Electoral Votes that are difficult to see which way the voting will go

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 08:03:09 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 08, 2016, 07:55:07 PM

While I am viewing this from several time zones away. It looks from here that Shillary will get to 220 +/- Electoral Votes.

There are some +/- 30 Electoral Votes that are difficult to see which way the voting will go

The winner needs 270 electoral votes. The channel I'm watching seemed to indicated that if Trump takes Florida it is looking very good for him. I guess we (us Trump supporters) should not be counting our chickens before they hatch. Although I will admit to being optimistic at this point, whereas when I woke up I was depressed and remained depressed for much of the day as I had thought it was not going to be going so well as it is right now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 08, 2016, 08:04:41 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 08, 2016, 07:36:00 PM

If one looks at the Senate election in Florida, M. Rubio has won and will pull along D. Trump to win this state.

The same holds true in Virginia and Ohio.

Well some much for my insight it looks like H. Clinton will take Virginia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 08, 2016, 08:09:46 PM

Virginia just turned light blue but it probably won't affect the outcome.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 08:12:11 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 07, 2016, 01:01:21 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2016, 12:54:25 PM
oh Clinton is up by 4 according to the main street media is she? which means that she's really down by 6. :-*

I think you're going to be really disappointed tomorrow night when the election is over before 9pm

I'm praying I'm right on my Senate prediction of 51-49

Well I believe it's after 9pm on the East coast so you were wrong about the election being over before 9pm. In fact it's after 10 pm on the East coast now so it's looking good for the country going RED.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 08:17:43 PM

The liberal media is already scratching their heads, and figuring what is happening

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 08, 2016, 08:18:10 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 08, 2016, 08:09:46 PM

Virginia just turned light blue but it probably won't affect the outcome.

It is interesting to study how as the votes are tallied and reported, since reports have been coming hours ago in New Hampshire was going to be won by Clinton, just now though Trump has edged infront. Ok it is only four Electoral College votes. This is not over until the fat lady sings.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 08:19:22 PM

I think Trump took Florida and Ohio, big States. What worries me is the MSM commenters seem chipper and upbeat.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 08:20:16 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 08:17:43 PM

The liberal media is already scratching their heads, and figuring what is happening

I guess I've still got my suspicions of Shillary somehow putting in the fix. Virginia going blue at the last moment is suspicious to me. But I'm not a professional pollster that's for sure. However if it appears some sort of fix occurs due to her global Cabal finding a way to switch some votes I doubt Trump would concede tonight. :hidechair:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 08, 2016, 08:20:47 PM

I was planning to sleep on this. It ain't happening.

Good job I refused to take Shakespear's money or he'd have been buying my new apartment. NYT are now up to 78% likelihood of Team Trump pulling it off.

From what I am seeing, it surely looks like the recentering of polls has been misleading everyone except the peeps who were getting the 'proper' data. I read earlier that Team Clinton had proper numbers and were very concerned but putting on a brave face.

The margins look, in broad terms, similar to the fudged recentering adjustment. That means that there's fewer Marching Morons than there might have been. People were not disappointed into staying home.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 08, 2016, 08:23:07 PM

US Stock markets DOW average is down 600 so far in reacting to Trump do better than expected.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 08:24:29 PM

Ohio has definitely gone to Trump, thank God! That was a huge win and necessary to win the election. No thanks to douche bag Kasich or neoCON and JERK George Bush Jr. who admitted leaving the Presidential vote blank. Bush Jr. has some sort of ego to start that insane war with Iraq which cost at least 2 Trillion but not vote for or support Trump.

O H I O!! Yeah baby!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 08:25:35 PM

Trump will be president, it's all but over for Clinton

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 08:26:23 PM

B.R.E.A.K.I.N.G N.E.W.S.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election/madonna-withdraws-oral-sex-promise-hillary-voters-article-1.2864602

No, Madonna is not giving oral sex to Hillary Clinton voters today, as promised

Quote

It's another broken campaign promise.

Madonna has withdrawn from her pledge to provide some, er, satisfaction to Hillary voters, the latest disappointment in an election season full of them.

The singer had famously promised the oral sex last month — “And I am good,” she added, lest anyone question her gratification qualifications — but when a Hillary supporter, armed with a selfie of his ballot, showed up to claim the prize, he was greeted with derision.

These are the people TomT sides with :ROFL:

B.R.E.A.K.I.N.G N.E.W.S.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 08:29:01 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 08, 2016, 08:20:47 PM

I was planning to sleep on this. It ain't happening.

Good job I refused to take Shakespear's money or he'd have been buying my new apartment. NYT are now up to 78% likelihood of Team Trump pulling it off.

From what I am seeing, it surely looks like the recentering of polls has been misleading everyone except the peeps who were getting the 'proper' data. I read earlier that Team Clinton had proper numbers and were very concerned but putting on a brave face.

The margins look, in broad terms, similar to the fudged recentering adjustment. That means that there's fewer Marching Morons than there might have been. People were not disappointed into staying home.

The Clinton campaign and the mainstream media had definitely colluded in their hope that by saying Clinton was winning that Trump voters would stay home. It did not happen, apparently! :chuckle:

Trump now at 168 electoral votes. Hillary Clinton is now at 122 electoral votes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 08:31:10 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 08:26:23 PM

B.R.E.A.K.I.N.G N.E.W.S.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election/madonna-withdraws-oral-sex-promise-hillary-voters-article-1.2864602

No, Madonna is not giving oral sex to Hillary Clinton voters today, as promised

Quote
It's another broken campaign promise.

Madonna has withdrawn from her pledge to provide some, er, satisfaction to Hillary voters, the latest disappointment in an election season full of them.

The singer had famously promised the oral sex last month — “And I am good,” she added, lest anyone question her gratification qualifications — but when a Hillary supporter, armed with a selfie of his ballot, showed up to claim the prize, he was greeted with derision.

These are the people TomT sides with :ROFL:

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 08:34:33 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 08:25:35 PM

Trump will be president, it's all but over for Clinton

It's still too soon to be happy, not just yet. It is looking good but certainly not over.

Clinton was just awarded Colorado, which is 9 electoral votes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 08:41:36 PM

With 37% reporting Trump has almost a 75,000 lead in Michigan. This is huge and I think this may put him real close to winning the election, because Michigan previously was a blue state.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=current+votes+in+Michigan&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#eob=enn/p/mi/0/0///////////

That was weird. Trump had almost a 75K lead and in a split second it dropped to 60K.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 08, 2016, 08:58:49 PM

94% on Team Trump now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 09:03:53 PM

Clinton was just awarded California, Oregon and Washington as expected. She is now in the lead. However the AP just awarded Florida to Trump, which is the key. Arizona, Michigan and Wisconsin trending to Trump.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/796198550468259840

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 09:05:39 PM

Trump is over 216 closing in on 270

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 09:20:44 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-11-08%20at%2010.19.09%20PM_zpstfl3jrnu.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 09:21:58 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 07, 2016, 08:59:53 PM

The North Carolina poll data is easy to read because only Quinnipiac and the NYT include any data that was taken after the Comey recantation (5 November). That would put Clinton up by one point. However, Clinton fell from +3 to -1.5 after Comey's 28 October announcement. In theory, she should get it all back but probably won't because not everyone will get the word. If 2/3 of the the voters who switched switch back, she will be at +1.5. This number makes better sense than the Quinnipiac/NYT number (+1) because the Comey effect had already flattened by 5 November. My guess is Clinton +1.5 at worst and +2.0 at best.

I'm waiting for the Trump fans to dazzle me with their analyses.

Here's my analysis. 95% probability of a Trump victory. :laugh:

how you like those apples?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 08, 2016, 09:36:17 PM

It was the dishonest polling that confused so many people.

I think we might just see some changes to the way in which polling is used. I know that I mentioned this before, but we might see a move towards similar standards now being set in the UK following the dishonest polling around the British EU referendum.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 09:43:10 PM

Trump's lead in Michigan has dropped to only 30K with 63% reporting. Although 30K should be enough to hold I think it's pretty weird he dropped so fast from a lead of 75K. I know this is because results have been coming in from heavily Democratic areas. So let's hope his lead in Michigan holds and he takes what he needs to get to 270 electoral votes. It's looking very good! Hillary's pathway has been drastically narrowed because she needs Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota and Arizona. IIRC all are trending towards Trump except Pennsylvania.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=current+votes+in+Michigan&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#eob=enn/p/mi/0/0///////////

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 08, 2016, 09:47:15 PM

Congratulations President Trump.

I've never been so glad to have been wrong in my life.

Checks will be in the mail by Friday when I return from my business trip.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 08, 2016, 09:48:29 PM

Just watching the BBC. Hilarious to see all the leftie luvvies squirming with faces contorted in pain as they contemplate Trumps electoral college numbers rolling in. Now they are interviewing Asians and agonising about the wall. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 08, 2016, 09:57:32 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 08, 2016, 09:48:29 PM

Just watching the BBC. Hilarious to see all the leftie luvvies squirming with faces contorted in pain as they contemplate Trumps electoral college numbers rolling in. Now they are interviewing Asians and agonising about the wall. :ROFL:

Same here. Not long ago, Bob Schieffer was making noise about Georgia not being called yet....which means the Dems are clawing at the inside of the coffin....

Holy :censored: ING SHIT!

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 08, 2016, 10:02:51 PM

Only 26 seats to go.................

The BBC are saying "he is a little bit ahead" I kid you not!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 10:03:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 08, 2016, 09:47:15 PM

Congratulations President Trump.

I've never been so glad to have been wrong in my life.

Checks will be in the mail by Friday when I return from my business trip.

My respect for you has risen 10,000 %

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 08, 2016, 10:07:49 PM

So the post mortem is going to go like this:

1. Donald Trump is the middle finger on the country's right hand.

2. HILLARY! has always been an awful candidate.

3. The Deplorables HATE the elites, and they turned out for Trump. It was the contempt. Even a dog knows the difference between being accidentally stepped on and kicked.

Oh, and for any liberals left on the board: Suicide Hotline - It's not just for Cubs fans any more!

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 08, 2016, 10:09:34 PM

Top Google Result for Hillary's Private Server: Countries with no extradition treaty with the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 08, 2016, 10:10:14 PM

BBC is currently blaming white voters in Michigan and saying people voted for him because they recognised him from The Apprentice. :laugh:

Quote from: B.B. on November 08, 2016, 10:07:49 PM

The Deplorables HATE the elites, and they turned out for Trump. It was the contempt.

On the BBC now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 10:12:18 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 08, 2016, 10:02:51 PM

Only 26 seats to go.................

The BBC are saying "he is a little bit ahead" I kid you not!

Well right now Chuck Todd and Lester Holt and Tom Brokow (NBC news) keep saying that it's not over, there are more votes to count. I guess I'm still waiting for some funky machines to switch votes and the fix to come in. I won't believe it really until tomorrow when all states are counted to at least 90 percent reporting or higher. :laugh:

As of right this moment per NBC

Trump 244 versus Clinton 209

It's looking good! :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 10:18:50 PM

Quote from: B.B. on November 08, 2016, 10:07:49 PM

So the post mortem is going to go like this:

1. Donald Trump is the middle finger on the country's right hand.

2. HILLARY! has always been an awful candidate.

3. The Deplorables HATE the elites, and they turned out for Trump. It was the contempt. Even a dog knows the difference between being accidentally stepped on and kicked.

Oh, and for any liberals left on the board: Suicide Hotline - It's not just for Cubs fans any more!

B/B

The highlighted portion goes to the Paul Ryan's of the World. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 10:26:39 PM

Quote from: B.B. on November 08, 2016, 10:09:34 PM

Top Google Result for Hillary's Private Server: Countries with no extradition treaty with the USA.

tiphat

My understanding is that the FBI investigation into the Clinton foundation is still on! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 10:29:17 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 08, 2016, 10:10:14 PM

BBC is currently blaming white voters in Michigan and saying people voted for him because they recognised him from The Apprentice. :laugh:

Quote from: B.B. on November 08, 2016, 10:07:49 PM
The Deplorables HATE the elites, and they turned out for Trump. It was the contempt.

On the BBC now.

Who are these lefties who have so much contempt for white people? Don't they get that we're blue collar, we're white collar and we pay taxes like everybody else? Really I suspect white people pay more taxes and do more necessary jobs than others, so enough with the divisiveness of the left! Everybody plays a part, thank goodness we're going to have somebody to unite the country! :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 08, 2016, 10:30:12 PM

Its already Russia's fault: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/730297/Hillary-Clinton-Donald-Trump-Jehmu-Greene-Florida

Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2016, 10:29:17 PM

Who are these lefties who have so much contempt for white people?

Moby types mostly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 10:31:43 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 08, 2016, 10:30:12 PM

Its already Russia's fault: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/730297/Hillary-Clinton-Donald-Trump-Jehmu-Greene-Florida

Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2016, 10:29:17 PM
Who are these lefties who have so much contempt for white people?

Moby types mostly.

Here's my answer to attempts to blame Russia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 10:34:13 PM

This is really weird. Clinton was just awarded Nevada, which should have gone to Trump. I just have a weird feeling about how they've been stalling this whole thing.

215 Clinton 244 Trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 08, 2016, 10:35:11 PM

Papers already writing about the biased pro-Clinton BBC coverage: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/730296/us-election-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-andrew-neil-bbc-us-election-coverage

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 10:41:53 PM

(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/Screen%20Shot%202016-11-08%20at%2011.37.14%20PM_zpsgufxfiqx.png)

He only needs 270 electoral votes to win. According to the chart he's got 305.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 10:43:28 PM

duplicate post

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 10:44:48 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 10:43:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2016, 10:34:13 PM
This is really weird. Clinton was just awarded Nevada, which should have gone to Trump. I just have a weird feeling about how they've been stalling this whole thing.

215 Clinton 244 Trump

I am suspicious also. They are such tricky people. I wonder what I'll wake up to. The MSM folks are just too upbeat.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 10:48:22 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 10:44:48 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 10:43:28 PM
Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2016, 10:34:13 PM
This is really weird. Clinton was just awarded Nevada, which should have gone to Trump. I just have a weird feeling about how they've been stalling this whole thing.

215 Clinton 244 Trump

I am suspicious also. They are such tricky people. I wonder what I'll wake up to. The MSM folks are just too upbeat.

I don't feel like they're upbeat at this point, in fact they've been examining their own actions in blowing their polls, etc. However for sure if Hillary was the one with the lead, they would call the race.

This is why I've got a weird feeling. If it was Hillary they would call it and it would stick. But with Trump it's as if they're stalling so that something weird might happen. Hopefully just some last moment jitters for both of us. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 10:53:48 PM

So Trumps lead in Michigan is back up to about 54K with about 80% reporting. That's a good thing! He's also leading in New Hampshire but it's only a lead of about 5K. But of course New Hampshire is a tiny state, so a 5K lead there is pretty significant.

And he is leading in Wisconsin by 3 percent which should be sufficient.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=current+votes+in+Michigan&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#eob=enn/p/mi/0/0///////////

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 10:58:35 PM

Trump will be president, the media is just trying to make it look closer than it is

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 11:03:13 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 10:58:35 PM

Trump will be president, the media is just trying to make it look closer than it is

In Arizona Trump has a solid 3 percent lead with 69% reporting. Why is the media trying to make it look close? Does the globalist Cabal have a trick up their sleeve? Stay tuned. :laugh: :popcorn:

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&hs=Se3&q=latest+results+in+Arizona+Presidential+election&oq=latest+results+in+Arizona+Presidential+election&gs_l=serp.12...5582.9988.0.13624.13.12.1.0.0.0.147.1440.0j11.11.0....0...1.1.64.serp..1.3.432...30i10k1.gm0gMQ37bAk#eob=enn/p/az/0/0///////////

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 08, 2016, 11:10:59 PM

I'm proud of my fellow Minnesotans it's possible Trump will win. Not since Nixon has a republican won.
The news networks make money as long as people are watching, that's why there's no winner yet.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 11:27:12 PM

Congratulations to Pat Toomey, Republican of Pennsylvania and others who won their Senate races. I know Shakespeare was worried about the down ballot races, so looks like us Republicans have done well. :travel:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 08, 2016, 11:29:19 PM

Bent voting machine: https://twitter.com/lordaedonis/status/796016074231672836

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 11:35:11 PM

Trump had been leading in New Hampshire by 5K votes and now they've switched it and say that Hillary is leading there by 4K votes. I am incredibly superstitious and won't believe this is over until it's over, especially with the weirdness of it all. I don't know why they're stalling because years past it would have been called.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 11:39:03 PM

Now these a$$holes on NBC are talking about Russia, while they stall some more. Unfriggenbelievable.

Now they're whining about our obligations to Europe and NATO. F$#@ Europe and NATO, they can pay their own way. There's a new sheriff in town, get used to it.

The rumour from the Trump camp is that they're pissed. They feel the MSM should have called it by now. They feel Hillary should concede. This is a very weird night. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2016, 11:51:21 PM

The Associated Press just called Pennsylvania for Trump as he leads by about 80K votes. But NBC will not call PA for him and there is a weird rumour that the Clinton camp will claim there were "voting irregularities" in Pennsylvania. So now what? Tomorrow after riots break out, Obama declares martial law? :laugh:

https://twitter.com/AP/status/796240279216988162

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 09, 2016, 12:02:57 AM

Had enough of NBC, Trump has Pennsylvania, he needs just 6 more it's over.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 12:05:28 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 09, 2016, 12:02:57 AM

Had enough of NBC, Trump has Pennsylvania, he needs just 6 more it's over.

No, some weird fix is in the works. Weasel Podesta says they will NOT concede tonight, because there's more votes to count. This is Bull^%$#. They're going to try some weird BS overnight. Mark my words. They just refused to concede, and the MSM is refusing to call it.

So I hope Trump comes out and claims VICTORY. Stick it in her friggen face.

Even the weasel media I'm watching is saying that it's not possible for her to win. Because she's way down in 3 states.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on November 09, 2016, 12:06:41 AM

NY Times has projected that Trump has over 270 electoral votes, but none of the TV stations will call it since it is still too close to call and where the uncounted votes are coming from. Reminds me of the 2000 election.

The one odd state vote count was from Hawaii. With 0% of the vote counted, Clinton has won the state. :duh: ???

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:07:25 AM

Sorry lot of Clintoneers told to head home.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 12:11:01 AM

Quote from: dcguyusa on November 09, 2016, 12:06:41 AM

NY Times has projected that Trump has over 270 electoral votes, but none of the TV stations will call it since it is still too close to call and where the uncounted votes are coming from.

The one odd state vote count was from Hawaii. With 0% of the vote counted, Clinton has won the state. :duh: ???

It's friggen 2 AM on the East coast at Trump HQ in NY City. I think he's hoping and waiting for a TV station to call it before he claims victory. Even though I don't trust weasel Dictator Obama and nobody else does either.

They just gave Trump Alaska but only 30 percent of votes reporting. Weird. But they won't call Minnesota or Michigan where over 80 percent are reporting. Same thing with Arizona. Weird.

Trump 248 Clinton 218

Trump has a lead of 71K votes in Arizona, with 81 percent reporting.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=Arizona+results+Presidential+election&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#eob=enn/p/az/0/0///////////

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:14:12 AM

Fox is saying they're not calling PA because of absentee ballots.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 12:18:50 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:14:12 AM

Fox is saying they're not calling PA because of absentee ballots.

The Associated Press (AP) already called Pennsylvania for Trump. Absentee ballots are mostly military and seniors and you can guess how those two vote. They certainly don't vote for Shillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:21:14 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 12:18:50 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:14:12 AM
Fox is saying they're not calling PA because of absentee ballots.

The Associated Press (AP) already called Pennsylvania for Trump. Absentee ballots are mostly military and seniors and you can guess how those two vote. They certainly don't vote for Shillary.

Quote by Clinton campaign: not done yet.
BBC saying she just has a harder path to victory. Wtf.

Ryan eating humble pie. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:27:46 AM

Now PA is down to 89% from 99% of votes counted.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 12:28:48 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:21:14 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 12:18:50 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:14:12 AM
Fox is saying they're not calling PA because of absentee ballots.

The Associated Press (AP) already called Pennsylvania for Trump. Absentee ballots are mostly military and seniors and you can guess how those two vote. They certainly don't vote for Shillary.
Quote by Clinton campaign: not done yet.
BBC saying she just has a harder path to victory. Wtf.

Ryan eating humble pie. :chuckle:

her "path to victory" is non-existent. typical Clinton waddle. Trump leads PA for example by over 70K votes with 90 percent reporting. the other states are similar.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 12:29:51 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:27:46 AM

Now PA is down to 89% from 99% of votes counted.

this is our fear! Obama and his hoods trying to throw this election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:30:32 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 12:28:48 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:21:14 AM
Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 12:18:50 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:14:12 AM
Fox is saying they're not calling PA because of absentee ballots.

The Associated Press (AP) already called Pennsylvania for Trump. Absentee ballots are mostly military and seniors and you can guess how those two vote. They certainly don't vote for Shillary.
Quote by Clinton campaign: not done yet.
BBC saying she just has a harder path to victory. Wtf.

Ryan eating humble pie. :chuckle:

her "path to victory" is non-existent. typical Clinton waddle. Trump leads PA for example by over 70K votes with 90 percent reporting. the other states are similar.

Of course, it's the BBC bias shining through.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 12:33:02 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:30:32 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 12:28:48 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:21:14 AM
Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 12:18:50 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:14:12 AM
Fox is saying they're not calling PA because of absentee ballots.

The Associated Press (AP) already called Pennsylvania for Trump. Absentee ballots are mostly military and seniors and you can guess how those two vote. They certainly don't vote for Shillary.
Quote by Clinton campaign: not done yet.
BBC saying she just has a harder path to victory. Wtf.

Ryan eating humble pie. :chuckle:

her "path to victory" is non-existent. typical Clinton waddle. Trump leads PA for example by over 70K votes with 90 percent reporting. the other states are similar.
Of course, it's the BBC bias shining through.

You were right about Ryan eating humble pie though. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 12:34:35 AM

Okay, I don't know who has called it, but NBC has admitted that another news organization has called it in favor of Trump. So let's see what happens! :party0031:

Okay, the Wall Street Journal has called the election in favor of Trump. I'm not sure what Trump is going to say, as he's getting ready to speak.

http://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/2016-election-day-results-live-analysis

The AP has also called the election in favor of Trump. Waiting for his speech. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 09, 2016, 12:40:09 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 12:34:35 AM

Okay, I don't know who has called it, but NBC has admitted that another news organization has called it in favor of Trump. So let's see what happens! :party0031:

BBC are reporting the HC has conceded to a journalist on the phone

CNN also

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 09, 2016, 12:40:57 AM

Trump is at 276 Electoral College Votes with a few more states to be decided.

Suggestion time for Andy, Manny and me to go to work, the rest of you go to bed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:41:44 AM

The bag lady has conceded.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on November 09, 2016, 12:45:24 AM

Fox News gave PA to Trump so he is over 270.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on November 09, 2016, 12:46:47 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:41:44 AM

The bag lady has conceded.

There is a report that she called Trump to congratulate him. Podesta just spoke and said that nothing is final and will return back in the morning.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:59:36 AM

Quote from: dcguyusa on November 09, 2016, 12:46:47 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:41:44 AM
The bag lady has conceded.
There is a report that she called Trump to congratulate him. Podesta just spoke and said that nothing is final and will return back in the morning.

Trump has just declared that she called to concede.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on November 09, 2016, 01:05:37 AM

I am watching Donald's acceptance speech.

He has won !!! :thumbsup:

This forum called it right again ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 01:09:16 AM

Quote from: leslied on November 09, 2016, 01:05:37 AM

I am watching Donald's acceptance speech.

He has won !!! :thumbsup:

This forum called it right again ;D

The RUA demographic got it right. Some people have egg on their faces.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 01:09:58 AM

Quote from: leslied on November 09, 2016, 01:05:37 AM

I am watching Donald's acceptance speech.

He has won !!! :thumbsup:

This forum called it right again ;D

Thank God our Republic is saved! I can only imagine how things could have gone if the other one had won.

Trump gave a very gracious speech and I can tell he's very humbled now that he realizes how enormous the responsibility of this job is. Same with VP elect Mike Pence. What a great team! I'm going to remember this great feeling for a long time. What a great night!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 01:11:55 AM

A good, gracious and generous acceptance speech from Trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 09, 2016, 01:16:19 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 01:09:16 AM

Quote from: leslied on November 09, 2016, 01:05:37 AM
I am watching Donald's acceptance speech.

He has won !!! :thumbsup:

This forum called it right again ;D
The RUA demographic got it right. Some people have egg on their faces.

Just a little...........

Someone give TomT and Shakey the depression helpline number.

;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 01:19:29 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 01:11:55 AM

A good, gracious and generous acceptance speech from Trump

:thumbsup: An excellent and gracious speech, I thought.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 01:20:36 AM

Quote from: Manny on November 09, 2016, 01:16:19 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 01:09:16 AM
Quote from: leslied on November 09, 2016, 01:05:37 AM
I am watching Donald's acceptance speech.

He has won !!! :thumbsup:

This forum called it right again ;D
The RUA demographic got it right. Some people have egg on their faces.

Just a little...........

Someone give TomT and Shakey the depression helpline number.

;D

1-800 DEPRESSION. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 09, 2016, 01:21:46 AM

Dutch news had a nice joke when the news of President Trump broke.

What will be his first line when he addresses America ?

Guy 1: Make america great again
Guy 2: Grab it by the pussy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 01:29:23 AM

Oh, the shock and horror of those liberal twats prattling on, on the news networks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 09, 2016, 01:37:52 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 01:19:29 AM

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:thumbsup: An excellent and gracious speech, I thought.

Disingenuous was the adjective you were looking for - his 'praise' for his opponent was less than sincere..

Now there is another 'wack job' going to have his finger on weapons of mass destruction

Depression isn't my emotion ..more like - fear

So, Trump has won more EC votes and now the 'system' is fair, again ... :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on November 09, 2016, 01:50:31 AM

I saw that funny moment as Trump was shaking hands with the people on the stage with him and he gave a hug to an attractive lady (not from his family) and then intentionally turned around with his arm around her pointing to himself to let everyone else see the hug. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 09, 2016, 02:17:58 AM

HOG SLAUGHTER.

When the demographics related polls are all out, and after I have slept for a bit, I will go over them and point where I was wrong, and where I was right.

Hispanics respect strength - Trump had more support than TomT thought he would have from them. I maybe was wrong about %age blacks he was able to get, not sure.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 02:46:07 AM

The world needs a change of direction.. way to may liberal left wingers been running the planet for waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy to long.

Good man Mr Trump :thumbsup:

I guess the first lady will now be some beauty queen half the age of the president :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 09, 2016, 03:04:10 AM

Steveboy,

Thanks for your interesting take on the world..

The reality was that the current President couldn' t impliment much of his plans because the right wing blocked and delayed him..! )

This is the same right wing that find they now have a ' Republican' President that many couldn't vote for... :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on November 09, 2016, 03:15:13 AM

It is even better than I thought. Republicans have retained control of the House and Senate.

The Republicans now have complete command of the Federal Government tiphat

Shakey you better get ready to eat a large slice of humble pie and write some checks :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 03:21:09 AM

I am sure that Trump and Reince Priebus have formed a decent working relationship and that there is almost certainly a deal of mutual respect and trust I was taken with the manner in which Trump made him, in public, kiss the ring during Trumps acceptance speech this morning.

At the same time Trump is well aware of the landslide that his campaign has wrought, in large part, without the support of the Republican party. I am sure that without the umbrella effect of his candidacy the lower parts of the ticket nationally would not have done as well as they did. Trump knows that.

Whilst I am certain that Trump's reaching out and asking for guidance was genuine there was also steel inside the soft leather glove. He is in a position to fcuk with the party for years to come because he is now the Big Swinging Dick on the Hill. Enforcing Pribus' loyalty as he did was setting a clear marker for the rest of the party hierarchy to follow because now it is clear that if they try to fcuk with Trump and the Trump Movement they are fcuking with the most senior levels of the party as well - a nice touch!

Les, Shakey has already said that cheques will be sent out on Friday.
Humble pie? Of that I'd be less certain.

The thing is that the landslide came about because millions of people, yes, millions, were unable to understand and recognise the obvious. That Trump was not running a Republican campaign, he was not representing the Republican party but he represented, as Michael Moore put it, the biggest Fcuk You in the history of the world.

The question I find myself asking is just how did the United States become infected with so virulent a form of mass hypnosis or cognitive dissonance?
This was not just folks at voter level like Shakey but right up to the top of society in the United States. Even while I am sure that, for example, Democrat insiders, knew the reality about the polling numbers given that they had provided the information to enable the distortions in polls to take place, the surprise at what happened last night was clear to me while I watched interviews with Democrat grandees, politicians, talking heads and analysts.
Worse yet, the shift that represents the landslide that we saw was, as far as I can see, and without getting a calculator out, on the order of the size of distortions introduced in party affiliation proportions. That's to say, the defeat was absolutely predictable and had been for weeks - unless something was done about it and nobody did anything to correct the problem at the campaign level.

This was not just about Clinton being a very poor candidate, which she was. This was about how the Democrat party, Team Clinton and other stakeholders managed the campaign and the effects. I mean, for example, how on earth did we get to a place where market prices were priced in anticipation of a Clinton win? Those businesses are stuffed to the gunwales by pointy headed analysts who could and should have been able to see the obvious.

Or was it perhaps, that everyone merely assumed that the fix was in, that rigging of the votes and process would ensure a victory for Team Clinton? In which case, what happened to that rigging process? What are the REAL numbers?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 09, 2016, 03:29:49 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 01:29:23 AM

Oh, the shock and horror of those liberal *snip*s prattling on, on the news networks.

The liberal elites just got butt- :censored: ed in front of God and everybody by a guy they hate who was carried to victory by people they hold in contempt. Misery and vitriol is what they have left.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 09, 2016, 03:31:18 AM

Quote from: Manny on November 09, 2016, 01:16:19 AM

Someone give TomT and Shakey the depression helpline number.

;D

I think Tom may need "Suicide Hotline"....the good news is that all the lines are open, because it's not for Cubs fans anymore!*

B/B

*For anyone unaware, the Chicago Cubs ended a 108 year streak of futility by winning the World Series this year.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 09, 2016, 03:36:56 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2016, 11:35:11 PM

Trump had been leading in New Hampshire by 5K votes and now they've switched it and say that Hillary is leading there by 4K votes. I am incredibly superstitious and won't believe this is over until it's over, especially with the weirdness of it all. I don't know why they're stalling because years past it would have been called.

It has flip flopped again, presently Trump is leading in New Hampshire by a thin margin.

I also wondered why it switched and while some are quick to jump to conspiracy theories, there is a simple explanation. The majority of US States are winner takes all, New Hampshire and a handful of other states pick there states Electoral College by voting districts.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on November 09, 2016, 03:55:15 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 09, 2016, 03:29:49 AM

The liberal elites just got butt- :censored: ed in front of God and everybody by a guy they hate who was carried to victory by people they hold in contempt. Misery and vitriol is what they have left.

B/B

Wonderful isn't it BB ;D

Despite all the efforts of the establishment, media, pollsters etc. THE MICE ROARED!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 05:22:20 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 09, 2016, 03:29:49 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 01:29:23 AM
Oh, the shock and horror of those liberal *snip*s prattling on, on the news networks.

The liberal elites just got butt- :censored: ed in front of God and everybody by a guy they hate who was carried to victory by people they hold in contempt. Misery and vitriol is what they have left.

B/B

Amen to that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 05:26:17 AM

Are the MINORITY liberals going to call for a re-run of the election?? :ROFL:

Just like the dumb ass lot in the Uk.....

Some people are just baaaaaaaaaad losers.. MObyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 05:35:11 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 09, 2016, 03:31:18 AM

Quote from: Manny on November 09, 2016, 01:16:19 AM
Someone give TomT and Shakey the depression helpline number.

;D

I think Tom may need "Suicide Hotline"....the good news is that all the lines are open, because it's not for Cubs fans anymore!*

B/B

*For anyone unaware, the Chicago Cubs ended a 108 year streak of futility by winning the World Series this year.

I think TomT might be partaking of an exceedingly large G&T.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 09, 2016, 06:24:18 AM

Can't get The Psychedelic Furs song 'President Gas' out of my head especially given what a 'trump' is in UK slang....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 09, 2016, 07:09:39 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 05:26:17 AM

Are the MINORITY liberals going to call for a re-run of the election?? :ROFL:

Just like the dumb ass lot in the Uk.....

Some people are just baaaaaaaaaad losers.. MObyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy :ROFL:

Riotting going on in the USA :

http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2016/11/rellon.html

Sore loosers :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 09, 2016, 07:28:15 AM

This just proves that you can't believe the western media propaganda machine.
Even a monkey was more accurate. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 07:58:30 AM

The Guardinistas and Morbyns are foaming at the mouth. This a quote from the Guardian:

Quote

Trump won. Now we organize to block him, every step of the way.

Shades of Brexit. Does their shameless arrogance have no limits? In their sordid progressive utopia the only result that counts is one that cuts their way. We saw it in the various EU referenda, we see it post Brexit, and now after a Trump victory.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 09, 2016, 08:05:36 AM

I think the poll number showing the Hillary was going to win are responsible for Trump winning. The thinking was there was no down side to voting for Trump. He was not going to be in office anyway. Over half the population hated both of these candidates so a lot of people did not want to vote for the winner. Also note Trump won but Hillary won the popular vote. She won California by a huge margin and many of the swing state she barely lost.

I am really happy to see Hilary's globalist agenda put on hold for at least four years. Maybe we will be able to do something about our health care system or lack there of.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on November 09, 2016, 08:10:36 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 07:58:30 AM

The Guardinistas and Morbyns are foaming at the mouth. This a quote from the Guardian:
Quote
Trump won. Now we organize to block him, every step of the way.

Shades of Brexit. Does their shameless arrogance have no limits? In their sordid progressive utopia the only result that counts is one that cuts their way. We saw it in the various EU referenda, we see it post Brexit, and now after a Trump victory.

In the USA they will find this to be VERY difficult. The republicans control the house and the senate. I think certain republicans careers are for the trash starting with Paul Ryan...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 09, 2016, 08:13:50 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 09, 2016, 03:31:18 AM

Quote from: Manny on November 09, 2016, 01:16:19 AM
Someone give TomT and Shakey the depression helpline number.

;D

I think Tom may need "Suicide Hotline"....

Maybe not. I wrote that I would get over it if Trump won; nothing has changed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 08:20:48 AM

I am glad to hear that you you are in good health.

It was the polls, eh?

Confusing fellows numbers!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 09, 2016, 08:30:38 AM

What's the betting on an early assassination attempt???

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 09, 2016, 09:00:39 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 09, 2016, 08:30:38 AM

What's the betting on an early assassination attempt???

Quite high I would have thought. Its all they have left.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 09:14:19 AM

Quote from: leslied on November 09, 2016, 08:10:36 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 07:58:30 AM
The Guardinistas and Morbyns are foaming at the mouth. This a quote from the Guardian:
Quote
Trump won. Now we organize to block him, every step of the way.

Shades of Brexit. Does their shameless arrogance have no limits? In their sordid progressive utopia the only result that counts is one that cuts their way. We saw it in the various EU referenda, we see it post Brexit, and now after a Trump victory.

In the USA they will find this to be VERY difficult. The republicans control the house and the senate. I think certain republicans careers are for the trash starting with Paul Ryan...

I think Trump is actually a pretty magnanimous man. I think he may need Ryan to get things done with those who were "never Trump"ers. He had previously said he would work hard to build consensus with Congress. That's always been the dig with Obama. Hussein O. was arrogant and dismissive of the peoples representatives, which means he was arrogant and dismissive of we the people.

I'm hopeful that Trump is a consensus builder who is truly determined to bring people together and get things done. Considering that Republicans now control the federal government there's no excuse for anything less.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 09:20:01 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 09, 2016, 07:09:39 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 05:26:17 AM
Are the MINORITY liberals going to call for a re-run of the election?? :ROFL:

Just like the dumb ass lot in the Uk.....

Some people are just baaaaaaaaaad losers.. MObyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy :ROFL:

Riotting going on in the USA :

http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/2016/11/rellon.html

Sore loosers :sick0012:

I couldn't read your link so here's one for us English readers and speakers. Some various protests throughout California and some riots with fires and broken windows in Oakland, CA.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-protest-trump-20161109-story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 09:38:53 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2016, 09:21:58 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 07, 2016, 08:59:53 PM
The North Carolina poll data is easy to read because only Quinnipiac and the NYT include any data that was taken after the Comey recantation (5 November). That would put Clinton up by one point. However, Clinton fell from +3 to -1.5 after Comey's 28 October announcement. In theory, she should get it all back but probably won't because not everyone will get the word. If 2/3 of the the voters who switched switch back, she will be at +1.5. This number makes better sense than the Quinnipiac/NYT number (+1) because the Comey effect had already flattened by 5 November. My guess is Clinton +1.5 at worst and +2.0 at best.

I'm waiting for the Trump fans to dazzle me with their analyses.

Here's my analysis. 95% probability of a Trump victory. :laugh:

how you like those apples?

Hey Tom, did we dazzle you? Seems that those of us who felt the polls were being deliberately manipulated, were right.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 09:54:10 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 09, 2016, 08:30:38 AM

What's the betting on an early assassination attempt???

Just what I think will happen! The kids came home from school today singing "Donald Trump Donald Trump" Seems even all the school kids here wanted Clinton out.. :ROFL:

Now they need to pick up that crook Bush along with Blair and chuck them to the sharks with the whoring bitch Clinton.. :smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 09, 2016, 10:10:26 AM

In one of the debates, he did say he would have Clinton in jail.

Maybe that's why she ran out of her campaign HQ last night in secret like her arse was on fire the moment she knew she had lost. :-*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 10:37:10 AM

No :plane: yet. He has no power until January. Obama can issue preemptive pardons if he chooses.

My guess is that she was ill.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 10:48:20 AM

She is a crook , Tony Blair is a crook and a lier , Bush is a lier cheat and crook. All three need to be sent to prison.

If it was back in the Roman days it would be 10 years in prison then finish off in the leper colony. In clintons case she should be sold off at market to work in a cheap brothel for the rest of her days..At least Bill would come and visit her there.. :laugh:

Scum of the Earth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 11:01:27 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 10:48:20 AM

She is a crook , Tony Blair is a crook and a lier , Bush is a lier cheat and crook. All three need to be sent to prison.

If it was back in the Roman days it would be 10 years in prison then finish off in the leper colony. In clintons case she should be sold off at market to work in a cheap brothel for the rest of her days..At least Bill would come and visit her there.. :laugh:

Scum of the Earth.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 11:02:53 AM

Her speech today, interesting.

Look at her.

Relaxed, in good spirits, looking better than I have seen her this past year or so.

That is a woman who is glad it is over. Happy to have not won, or at least happy to not have to be president.

The woman speaking today is a different person to the woman who has been ranting, screaming and falling over these past months.

This is a woman who is going to lower her profile and finish her days as best she can having acheived, in her eyes, more than any woman in history.

Look at the video and tell me what you see.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 11:04:55 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 10:37:10 AM

No :plane: yet. He has no power until January. Obama can issue preemptive pardons if he chooses.

My guess is that she was ill.

IIRC what she did is not with her classified messages and servers are not crimes which Hussein O. can pardon.

My personal wish is that he drop the idea of putting her in jail but totally dismantle the Clinton foundation and force her and Bill to pay back some monies which were stolen to give their daughter a lavish wedding. Make it so that the Clinton's can never get near the levers of power again.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 11:07:19 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 11:02:53 AM

Her speech today, interesting.

Look at her.

Relaxed, in good spirits, looking better than I have seen her this past year or so.

That is a woman who is glad it is over. Happy to have not won, or at least happy to not have to be president.

The woman speaking today is a different person to the woman who has been ranting, screaming and falling over these past months.

This is a woman who is going to lower her profile and finish her days as best she can having acheived, in her eyes, more than any woman in history.

Look at the video and tell me what you see.

I agree totally. It was Julian Assange himself who said that he felt sorry for Hillary, because he saw a woman totally consumed by her conquest for power. Now that she's been relieved of this mission she and the rest of the world can breath much easier. There is a God. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 09, 2016, 11:07:32 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 09:38:53 AM

Hey Tom, did we dazzle you?

No.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 11:11:03 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 09, 2016, 11:07:32 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 09:38:53 AM
Hey Tom, did we dazzle you?

No.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on November 09, 2016, 11:45:09 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 11:02:53 AM

Her speech today, interesting.

Look at her.

Relaxed, in good spirits, looking better than I have seen her this past year or so.

That is a woman who is glad it is over. Happy to have not won, or at least happy to not have to be president.

The woman speaking today is a different person to the woman who has been ranting, screaming and falling over these past months.

This is a woman who is going to lower her profile and finish her days as best she can having acheived, in her eyes, more than any woman in history.

Look at the video and tell me what you see.

I watched her speech live on CNN. She finally arrived 2 hours late...

It was obviously a scripted speech that her staff had been working on all night. Her delivery was odd, to me she seemed bemused that the people had rejected her vision. She was right, it was not her fault that the "deplorables" had rejected her. Keep fighting on the same path. There was the same (insane? - disconnected from reality??) look in her eyes that I remember vividly displayed by Tony Blair...

Thankfully the future is in other hands.

It is over for her now. As I have said before let justice take it's course. A straightforward investigation, if wrongdoing is revealed, prosecution should follow. Trump will keep his distance from all of this in my opinion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 09, 2016, 11:46:02 AM

Quote from: Manny on November 09, 2016, 10:10:26 AM

In one of the debates, he did say he would have Clinton in jail.

Maybe that's why she ran out of her campaign HQ last night in secret like her arse was on fire the moment she knew she had lost. :-*

In Greece we say: "A crow will not pick out the eyes of another crow" ...

Already it has been shown on both speeches...... Trump said it first in clear terms......and thanked her for the great job she did.... and when, later today, she managed to overcome the shock, nervous break down and seizures... then and when the plasterers done a good job in her face and head.... then she managed to show her face and offered her services to the new president. :sick0012:

Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 10:48:20 AM

She is a crook , Tony Blair is a crook and a lier , Bush is a lier cheat and crook. All three need to be sent to prison.

Hillary is not only a crook but also a criminal murderer... you forgot that she ordered the killing of Gaddafi, with a knife up his backside to offend the muslims......and then was celebrating on TV.

There's nothing quite so repulsive as a hypocrite traitor war-criminal.

You forgot to include in your list, also Bill Clinton (Bombing Yugoslavia) and Obama who continue killing many thousand of people and children in so many countries, like Afganistan, Syria and Yemen with their drowns.

They are ALL of them war criminals and murderer’s and should be tried in Hague.

Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 10:48:20 AM

If it was back in the Roman days it would be 10 years in prison then finish off in the leper colony. In clintons case she should be sold off at market to work in a cheap brothel for the rest of her days..At least Bill would come and visit her there.. :laugh:

Scum of the Earth.

Who will want to :censored:….. her?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 09, 2016, 12:04:48 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 11:02:53 AM

Her speech today, interesting.

Look at her.

Relaxed, in good spirits, looking better than I have seen her this past year or so.

That is a woman who is glad it is over. Happy to have not won, or at least happy to not have to be president.

The woman speaking today is a different person to the woman who has been ranting, screaming and falling over these past months.

This is a woman who is going to lower her profile and finish her days as best she can having acheived, in her eyes, more than any woman in history.

Look at the video and tell me what you see.

She is like Bilbo Baggins after he gave up the ring :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 09, 2016, 12:09:37 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 18, 2016, 10:06:40 AM

Slumba,

You should read the Stoic philosophers and the Meditations of Marcus Aurelius so that you can prepare yourself for a possible Clinton presidency. It might also help you come to grips with your persistent conspiracy theories.

You wrote the above, after I wrote

"The entirely of the US news media and political establishment has been trying to push Trump's numbers down for 2 or more weeks at this point. And, this is the best they can do. "

And what did Wikileaks and the shocked expressions of all the news anchors on the major news networks show us?

"conspiracy theory"? No, just plain and simple FACT.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 12:14:26 PM

Quote from: Wiz on November 09, 2016, 11:46:02 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 10:48:20 AM
If it was back in the Roman days it would be 10 years in prison then finish off in the leper colony. In clintons case she should be sold off at market to work in a cheap brothel for the rest of her days..At least Bill would come and visit her there.. :laugh:

Scum of the Earth.

Who will want to :censored:….. her?

Moby? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 12:18:40 PM

Here's a poll which apparently has been more accurate than the MSM polls the last few cycles. For the guy who likes polls; you know who you are.

http://www.investors.com/politics/ibd-tipp-presidential-election-poll/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 12:20:40 PM

First and foremost, Trump's victory is a thunderous rebuke to the legions of pundits and armies of pollsters who said it couldn't happen, and the mainstream press that declared all-out war on his candidacy. In the days leading up the election, every poll except the IBD/TIPP tracking poll showed Hillary Clinton winning by a wide margin in a four-way race. Newspapers declared that Trump's chances were minimal, if not impossible, while running wall-to-wall hit pieces on Trump. Pundits acted as though the election was over.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-message-of-donald-trumps-stunning-victory/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 09, 2016, 12:32:33 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 11:02:53 AM

Her speech today, interesting.

Look at her.

Relaxed, in good spirits, looking better than I have seen her this past year or so.

That is a woman who is glad it is over. Happy to have not won, or at least happy to not have to be president.

The woman speaking today is a different person to the woman who has been ranting, screaming and falling over these past months.

This is a woman who is going to lower her profile and finish her days as best she can having acheived, in her eyes, more than any woman in history.

Look at the video and tell me what you see.

Actually I could never understand why she was running for president in the first place.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 09, 2016, 12:36:36 PM

Today is very interesting. The market sold off last night but the sell of was over before our markets opened. Today so far the stock market is a little up, dollar is a little up, and gold is selling off a just a little. The financial markets did not seem to react much to this event.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 09, 2016, 12:42:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 12:20:40 PM

First and foremost, Trump's victory is a thunderous rebuke to the legions of pundits and armies of pollsters who said it couldn't happen, and the mainstream press that declared all-out war on his candidacy. In the days leading up the election, every poll except the IBD/TIPP tracking poll showed Hillary Clinton winning by a wide margin in a four-way race. Newspapers declared that Trump's chances were minimal, if not impossible, while running wall-to-wall hit pieces on Trump. Pundits acted as though the election was over.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-message-of-donald-trumps-stunning-victory/

I like how Michael Moore said it better @ 3:20

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 12:42:50 PM

Quote from: TomT on August 05, 2016, 07:30:21 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on August 05, 2016, 07:26:37 AM
Very interesting results so far. I wonder if this could be a reflection of things to come?

Nope. It's a reflection of the RUA demographic.

Hmmmmmm and hmmmmmm. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 09, 2016, 01:21:40 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 22, 2016, 07:31:42 PM

God only knows why anyone would think that Wisconsin is a swing state because a Republican presidential candidate hasn't carried it since 1988 and Obama won by 7.3%/6.9% in 2008/2012, respectively.

Obama underperformed the RCP average by 0.3% in 2008 and outperformed it by 2.7% in 2012. In both cases, April polling predicted the winner but, in 2012, April polling was 3% optimistic about Obama's numbers. In 2008, there was a sizable shift after the announcement Palin would be McCain's running mate, indicating that the majority of voters in Wisconsin are not dumb. (This will work against Trump.)

Moving on to 2016 polling, Clinton enjoys a solid 10.7% lead and Trump has never done better than trailing by nine points. Unless a giant sinkhole opens under Clinton's feet and swallows her up, this state is hers in November.

WI was won by Trump. Trump also won the election.

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 09, 2016, 01:30:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 27, 2016, 08:54:28 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on April 27, 2016, 06:56:12 AM

Trump Wins by:

CT 57.7%

DE 60.8%

PA 56.7%

RI 63.8%

MD 54.4%

And just how many of those states can the Republicans even remotely think they have a chance of winning in November?

Z E R O

Trump will not have 1237 on the first ballot. Even his campaign is saying so.

Trump cannot beat Clinton. His negatives are too high to overcome.

A vote for trump is a vote for Hillary Clinton.

If people are so stupid as to not recognize this fact, then we as a country deserve the consequences.

In 2008 we put a totally unqualified man in the White House for populous reasons - we all know what a disaster that turned out to be.

Thank God you were wrong and we don't have to deal with Hillary the evil, occult-worshipping virago as President!

My address has changed... so please let me know when you are ready to send the check, and I will PM it to you.

Cheers, Slumba

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 09, 2016, 01:35:21 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 28, 2016, 06:50:14 PM

Quote from: Slumba on April 28, 2016, 05:12:08 PM
Anyone TomT disagrees with = "idiot". It has never yet occurred to him that someone else might be aware of things or truths that he is not.

If there is anything that you hate more than having someone disagree with you, it's having someone produce evidence that contradicts your emotional arguments.

I'll take 300+ Electoral College votes as production of evidence.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 01:41:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 12:14:26 PM

Quote from: Wiz on November 09, 2016, 11:46:02 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 10:48:20 AM
If it was back in the Roman days it would be 10 years in prison then finish off in the leper colony. In clintons case she should be sold off at market to work in a cheap brothel for the rest of her days..At least Bill would come and visit her there.. :laugh:

Scum of the Earth.

Who will want to :censored:….. her?

Moby? :laugh:

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 09, 2016, 01:42:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 04, 2016, 08:22:02 AM

Quote from: Anteros on May 04, 2016, 12:14:41 AM
It's going to be a very tight race. Possibly another situation like we had with Gore versus Bush Jr.

You are dreaming. It's going to be a blow-out; probably as much as 20 points. Odds are he'll cause the Democrats to win back the US Senate on Hillary's coat tails.

And it will all be the fault of low information, low educated, reality tv watching voters who drank the "Trumpster kool-aide" instead of keeping their eye on the ball and selecting a candidate who can beat Hillary Clinton, the weakest Democrat candidate since George McGovern.

Trump and his people have no idea what is needed to win a Presidential campaign. The data research, the voter identification and mapping, and other sophisticated methodologies that the Democrats have pioneered and perfected over the past 9 years. In addition, I don't think he's going to raise the money needed to conduct a competitive election. Republican donors will not waste contributions of what they see is clearly a losing campaign. Further, I don't think the RNC is going to share all their secrets with his campaign staff. From what my contacts in Washington DC tell me, the Republican Party hierarchy have already conceded a Hillary victory in 2016 and have already focused their efforts on minimizing under ballot losses in 2016 and stopping her in 2020.

Then there is the electoral college problem. Trump needs to hold all states won in 2012 PLUS pick up Ohio, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, New Mexico, Colorado and Pennsylvania. With 20% of Republicans not voting for the Republican candidate, a 75% negative rating with women voters and 80% negative rating with hispanics - Good luck.

So Anteros, Tom Cat and Cuffy, wear the badge of a Hillary Clinton Presidency with pride. You earned it!

And Anteros, I'm willing to concede my bet with you. Send me your name and mailing address and I'll promptly put a check in the mail. I don't do PayPal.

Somehow it didn't work out like this!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 01:53:16 PM

Why do all the lefties call Trump a racialist ?? Whats the deal there then?

If you ask me one the last few years all of these liberals tossers have made the Western world just like big brother including the "Thought police"

For example one mention of the word "Muslim" this happens.. the very second you get as far as the letter "M" coming out of your mouth and you are immediately labelled a "racialist" :chuckle:
Maybe you wanted to just criticise some muslim tradition or something along those lines... but noooooooo your immediately labelled a racist!
Its at the stage that most common folk are just petrified to say or criticise any other religion or people JUST incase they get labelled a racialist ..

You see very few normal people making any comments with anything to do with coloureds, Muslims, Africans or any other today JUST incase the lefties label them a racialist. I mean who wants a bloody racialist as a friend?

Terrible really !!

I thought it was a free world with free speech.. not anymore! Your not even allowed to think today..

:'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 02:03:10 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 09, 2016, 12:42:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 12:20:40 PM
First and foremost, Trump's victory is a thunderous rebuke to the legions of pundits and armies of pollsters who said it couldn't happen, and the mainstream press that declared all-out war on his candidacy. In the days leading up the election, every poll except the IBD/TIPP tracking poll showed Hillary Clinton winning by a wide margin in a four-way race. Newspapers declared that Trump's chances were minimal, if not impossible, while running wall-to-wall hit pieces on Trump. Pundits acted as though the election was over.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-message-of-donald-trumps-stunning-victory/

I like how Michael Moore said it better

No. Michael Moore admits that blue collar Americans have been hurting but he refuses to take responsibility for his participation in that outcome. He goes on Fox and claims that Trump is a con-artist. Trump is absolutely not a con-artist, he's a hard working business man.

Investors Business Daily said it much better because they are sincere and wish Trump and America well.

I call a pox on the house of Michael Moore.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 02:07:34 PM

Quote from: Slumba on November 09, 2016, 01:21:40 PM

Quote from: TomT on April 22, 2016, 07:31:42 PM
God only knows why anyone would think that Wisconsin is a swing state because a Republican presidential candidate hasn't carried it since 1988 and Obama won by 7.3%/6.9% in 2008/2012, respectively.

Obama underperformed the RCP average by 0.3% in 2008 and outperformed it by 2.7% in 2012. In both cases, April polling predicted the winner but, in 2012, April polling was 3% optimistic about Obama's numbers. In 2008, there was a sizable shift after the announcement Palin would be McCain's running mate, indicating that the majority of voters in Wisconsin are not dumb. (This will work against Trump.)

Moving on to 2016 polling, Clinton enjoys a solid 10.7% lead and Trump has never done better than trailing by nine points. Unless a giant sinkhole opens under Clinton's feet and swallows her up, this state is hers in November.

WI was won by Trump. Trump also won the election.

tiphat

TBH I may have been happy with just a giant sinkhole opening up under Clinton's feet and swallowing her! Maybe a giant sinkhole will open up and swallow Tom's ego. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 02:13:06 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 01:53:16 PM

Why do all the lefties call Trump a racialist ?? Whats the deal there then?

If you ask me one the last few years all of these liberals tossers have made the Western world just like big brother including the "Thought police"

For example one mention of the word "Muslim" this happens.. the very second you get as far as the letter "M" coming out of your mouth and you are immediately labelled a "racialist" :chuckle:
Maybe you wanted to just criticise some muslim tradition or something along those lines... but noooooooo your immediately labelled a racist!
Its at the stage that most common folk are just petrified to say or criticise any other religion or people JUST incase they get labelled a racialist ..

You see very few normal people making any comments with anything to do with coloureds, Muslims, Africans or any other today JUST incase the lefties label them a racialist. I mean who wants a bloody racialist as a friend?

Terrible really !!

I thought it was a free world with free speech.. not anymore! Your not even allowed to think today..

:'(

Relax bud, the days of political correctness are over. At least until the next "naked Emperor" like Cameron or Obama manage to bamboozle the masses.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 02:15:49 PM

You're gonna need a big'un, Shakespear has to fit in there too!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 02:18:58 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 01:53:16 PM

Why do all the lefties call Trump a racialist ?? Whats the deal there then?

If you ask me one the last few years all of these liberals tossers have made the Western world just like big brother including the "Thought police"

For example one mention of the word "Muslim" this happens.. the very second you get as far as the letter "M" coming out of your mouth and you are immediately labelled a "racialist" :chuckle:
Maybe you wanted to just criticise some muslim tradition or something along those lines... but noooooooo your immediately labelled a racist!
Its at the stage that most common folk are just petrified to say or criticise any other religion or people JUST incase they get labelled a racialist ..

You see very few normal people making any comments with anything to do with coloureds, Muslims, Africans or any other today JUST incase the lefties label them a racialist. I mean who wants a bloody racialist as a friend?

Terrible really !!

I thought it was a free world with free speech.. not anymore! Your not even allowed to think today..

:'(

Where've you been? In hibernation? This conditioning has been going on for decades. Starts in primary school with preaching from the teachers with their leftylib ideology. :dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 02:20:40 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 02:15:49 PM

You're gonna need a big'un, Shakespear has to fit in there too!

Shakespeare at least wrote that he was "never more happy to be wrong".

I'm happy with that and it helps to assuage the frustration yet I maintain it was his part of the Party that brought us to this historic point. Who was it that said "All's well that ends well"? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 02:24:51 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 02:13:06 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
Why do all the lefties call Trump a racialist ?? Whats the deal there then?

If you ask me one the last few years all of these liberals tossers have made the Western world just like big brother including the "Thought police"

For example one mention of the word "Muslim" this happens.. the very second you get as far as the letter "M" coming out of your mouth and you are immediately labelled a "racialist" :chuckle:
Maybe you wanted to just criticise some muslim tradition or something along those lines... but noooooooo your immediately labelled a racist!
Its at the stage that most common folk are just petrified to say or criticise any other religion or people JUST incase they get labelled a racialist ..

You see very few normal people making any comments with anything to do with coloureds, Muslims, Africans or any other today JUST incase the lefties label them a racialist. I mean who wants a bloody racialist as a friend?

Terrible really !!

I thought it was a free world with free speech.. not anymore! Your not even allowed to think today..

:'(

Relax bud, the days of political correctness are over. At least until the next "naked Emperor" like Cameron or Obama manage to bamboozle the masses.

Don't be complacent. Battle has only been joined. The poison has so infected society that ridding ourselves of it could be a generational fight.
Changing demographics and the rise of the multiculties who are net beneficiaries means it's an uphill struggle.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 02:28:27 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 02:24:51 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 02:13:06 PM
Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
Why do all the lefties call Trump a racialist ?? Whats the deal there then?

If you ask me one the last few years all of these liberals tossers have made the Western world just like big brother including the "Thought police"

For example one mention of the word "Muslim" this happens.. the very second you get as far as the letter "M" coming out of your mouth and you are immediately labelled a "racialist" :chuckle:
Maybe you wanted to just criticise some muslim tradition or something along those lines... but noooooooo your immediately labelled a racist!
Its at the stage that most common folk are just petrified to say or criticise any other religion or people JUST incase they get labelled a racialist ..

You see very few normal people making any comments with anything to do with coloureds, Muslims, Africans or any other today JUST incase the lefties label them a racialist. I mean who wants a bloody racialist as a friend?

Terrible really !!

I thought it was a free world with free speech.. not anymore! Your not even allowed to think today..

:'(

Relax bud, the days of political correctness are over. At least until the next "naked Emperor" like Cameron or Obama manage to bamboozle the masses.
Don't be complacent. Battle has only been joined. The poison has so infected society that ridding ourselves of it could be a generational fight.
Changing demographics and the rise of the multiculties who are net beneficiaries means it's an uphill struggle.

Well sorry to say but thanks to Merkel and the likes of Cameron it's more of an uphill struggle in europe. I believe we're in much better shape over here in "the land of the free and home of the brave". :king:

Time will tell on that last bit. The apparatus started by Bush Jr. is all still in place.

https://twitter.com/V_of_Europe/status/796447697603612672

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 02:30:03 PM

How much is Shakespear in the red?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 02:38:45 PM

I wonder what the outcome might have been had all the Shakeys up and down the country and at all levels of the GOP not spent their time trying to sabotage the most popular candidate the party has ever produced?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 09, 2016, 02:41:27 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 02:30:03 PM

How much is Shakespear in the red?

I think he owes me a wee sheckle too, I need to look back.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 09, 2016, 02:42:25 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 01:53:16 PM

Why do all the lefties call Trump a racialist ?? Whats the deal there then?

If you ask me one the last few years all of these liberals tossers have made the Western world just like big brother including the "Thought police"

For example one mention of the word "Muslim" this happens.. the very second you get as far as the letter "M" coming out of your mouth and you are immediately labelled a "racialist" :chuckle:
Maybe you wanted to just criticise some muslim tradition or something along those lines... but noooooooo your immediately labelled a racist!
Its at the stage that most common folk are just petrified to say or criticise any other religion or people JUST incase they get labelled a racialist ..

You see very few normal people making any comments with anything to do with coloureds, Muslims, Africans or any other today JUST incase the lefties label them a racialist. I mean who wants a bloody racialist as a friend?

Terrible really !!

I thought it was a free world with free speech.. not anymore! Your not even allowed to think today..

:'(

Nothing wrong with racialism, but I suspect you don't know what it means. In any case 'Muslims' are not a race, they are members of a religious faith.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 02:51:02 PM

This is my answer to Moby posting that awful "pussy riot" video. And to the one other liberal who is cool, Ste. I doubt if Tom could or would enjoy dancing. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 09, 2016, 03:23:04 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 02:51:02 PM

I doubt if Tom could or would enjoy dancing. :chuckle:

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 09, 2016, 03:38:52 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 09, 2016, 02:42:25 PM

In any case 'Muslims' are not a race, they are members of a religious faith.

Or political ideology.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 04:01:30 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 09, 2016, 03:38:52 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 09, 2016, 02:42:25 PM
In any case 'Muslims' are not a race, they are members of a religious faith.

Or political ideology.

It's really a political ideology because Muslims believe in forced conversion or death unlike others which give you the right to believe as you wish and live in peace.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 09, 2016, 04:28:19 PM

Those who wrote that the election was rigged are not only stupid, but are assholes as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 09, 2016, 04:34:27 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 09, 2016, 04:28:19 PM

Those who wrote that the election was rigged are not only stupid, but are assholes as well.

Yes, yes, give in to the force of butt-hurtyness.

tiphat

(http://pre07.deviantart.net/c4d0/th/pre/f/2008/221/5/0/come_to_the_darkside_by_sali666.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 09, 2016, 04:52:02 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 09, 2016, 04:28:19 PM

Those who wrote that the election was rigged are not only stupid, but are assholes as well.

Now you've lost me. Especially since evidence turned up with video footage of malfunctioning electronic voting machines favoring Clinton.

Stupid? Don''t think so. Assholes? I can't make that connection.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 09, 2016, 05:26:13 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 09, 2016, 04:52:02 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 09, 2016, 04:28:19 PM
Those who wrote that the election was rigged are not only stupid, but are assholes as well.
Now you've lost me. Especially since evidence turned up with video footage of malfunctioning electronic voting machines favoring Clinton.

Stupid? Don''t think so. Assholes? I can't make that connection.

People complained that the election was rigged when Trump appeared to be trailing, in spite of having no evidence that malfunctions favored Clinton in more cases than it favored Trump. They just pushed the narrative because it supported their views, not because it was the truth. After Trump won the electoral vote, they expressed no concerns about documented incidents that benefited Trump, such as polling station shutdowns in minority areas, minorities being removed from voter lists and voter intimidation. Calling them "stupid assholes" is arbitrary; other terms might apply as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 09, 2016, 05:43:39 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 10:03:18 PM

My respect for you has risen 10,000 %

Why?

Are you implying that I don't pay my bets?

I ALWAYS pay my bets!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 09, 2016, 05:46:08 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 09, 2016, 02:41:27 PM

I think he owes me a wee sheckle too, I need to look back.

$40 US if memory serve me correctly.

Let me know if that is wrong.

I'll pay on Friday!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 09, 2016, 06:02:18 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 09, 2016, 05:26:13 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 09, 2016, 04:52:02 PM
Quote from: TomT on November 09, 2016, 04:28:19 PM
Those who wrote that the election was rigged are not only stupid, but are assholes as well.
Now you've lost me. Especially since evidence turned up with video footage of malfunctioning electronic voting machines favoring Clinton.

Stupid? Don''t think so. Assholes? I can't make that connection.

People complained that the election was rigged when Trump appeared to be trailing, in spite of having no evidence that malfunctions favored Clinton in more cases than it favored Trump. They just pushed the narrative because it supported their views, not because it was the truth. After Trump won the electoral vote, they expressed no concerns about documented incidents that benefited Trump, such as polling station shutdowns in minority areas, minorities being removed from voter lists and voter intimidation. Calling them "stupid assholes" is arbitrary; other terms might apply as well.

Calling it "rigged" did nothing more than ensure that it would not be.

Clinton's inability to cheat because of the greater scrutiny, cost her Pennsylvania at the least.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 06:38:33 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 09, 2016, 04:28:19 PM

Those who wrote that the election was rigged are not only stupid, but are assholes as well.

By all means be as bitter as possible in defeat and give in to childish insults as well. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 06:47:16 PM

Quote from: Slumba on November 09, 2016, 06:02:18 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 09, 2016, 05:26:13 PM
Quote from: Markje on November 09, 2016, 04:52:02 PM
Quote from: TomT on November 09, 2016, 04:28:19 PM
Those who wrote that the election was rigged are not only stupid, but are assholes as well.
Now you've lost me. Especially since evidence turned up with video footage of malfunctioning electronic voting machines favoring Clinton.

Stupid? Don''t think so. Assholes? I can't make that connection.

People complained that the election was rigged when Trump appeared to be trailing, in spite of having no evidence that malfunctions favored Clinton in more cases than it favored Trump. They just pushed the narrative because it supported their views, not because it was the truth. After Trump won the electoral vote, they expressed no concerns about documented incidents that benefited Trump, such as polling station shutdowns in minority areas, minorities being removed from voter lists and voter intimidation. Calling them "stupid assholes" is arbitrary; other terms might apply as well.

Calling it "rigged" did nothing more than ensure that it would not be.

Clinton's inability to cheat because of the greater scrutiny, cost her Pennsylvania at the least.

I'm still convinced that the real reason the MSM kept stalling is because their puppet masters were trying to decide if they could get away with sufficient cheating to overcome the overwhelming number of Trump voters. One Vegas bookmaker I read estimated that Democrat cheating is always approximately 8 percent of their figures. It just wasn't enough this time around and they finally gave in to a Trump victory.

Minorities being removed from voting lists? Voter intimidation? Wild speculation but in fact the opposite of reality. Reality is that the DNC conspired to commit violence at Trump rally's which is well documented. In fact one protester at the Chicago rally which was shut down and which resulted in bloodied and battered police officers was paid $1,610 to participate in that illegal action. As usual dishonesty and hypocrisy are the calling cards of Democrats.

A woman in a burqa easily deceives a poll worker into giving her a paper ballot, no ID needed.

Evidence of DNC tampering in our election including footage of a woman who was paid to shut down Chicago and to block a freeway in Arizona. Includes Wikileaks emails of DNC operative and White House visitor Bob Creamer giving her instructions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 09, 2016, 07:19:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 06:38:33 PM

By all means be as bitter as possible in defeat and give in to childish insults as well.

I'm not bitter and you are deflecting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 07:23:05 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 09, 2016, 07:19:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 06:38:33 PM
By all means be as bitter as possible in defeat and give in to childish insults as well.

I'm not bitter and you are deflecting.

No deflection at all and I would say you're very bitter. Do you denounce the activities of DNC operative Robert Creamer and Foval et al who paid protesters to commit violence at Trump rally's?

Do you denounce any and all activities by your Party to commit voter fraud over the last 50 years?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-18/massive-voter-fraud-exposed-project-veritas-part-2-weve-been-busing-people-around-50

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 09, 2016, 07:27:01 PM

^ I was writing about those who claimed that the election was rigged, remember?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 09, 2016, 08:41:54 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 09, 2016, 08:13:50 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 09, 2016, 03:31:18 AM
Quote from: Manny on November 09, 2016, 01:16:19 AM
Someone give TomT and Shakey the depression helpline number.

;D

I think Tom may need "Suicide Hotline"....

Maybe not. I wrote that I would get over it if Trump won; nothing has changed.

That was when you thought he had no chance to win.

Glad that you're still among the living.

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 09:20:01 AM

I couldn't read your link so here's one for us English readers and speakers. Some various protests throughout California and some riots with fires and broken windows in Oakland, CA.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-protest-trump-20161109-story.html

The National Liberal Temper Tantrum is underway.....lots of Special Snowflakes melting under the hot sun of Trump....

Seriously, it's ok to be mad, but it's not ok to be crazy....

[Brits pls note that I am using the American version of "mad".]

Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 01:53:16 PM

Why do all the lefties call Trump a racialist ?? Whats the deal there then?

The Leftoids don't understand the meanings of words anymore. Disagree with them? Then you are, depending on the situation, a "RACIST!!", a "MISGYNIST!!", an "ISLAMOPHOBE!!" or a "BIGOT!!". The Left are the most ENTITLED bunch of asshats that ever came down the pike. They're BETTER than you, they're SMARTER than you, and if you DARE disagree with them, then you're guilty of a HATE CRIME and must be destroyed....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 09, 2016, 09:34:47 PM

Quote from: B.B. on November 09, 2016, 08:41:54 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 09, 2016, 08:13:50 AM
Quote from: B.B. on November 09, 2016, 03:31:18 AM
Quote from: Manny on November 09, 2016, 01:16:19 AM
Someone give TomT and Shakey the depression helpline number.

;D

I think Tom may need "Suicide Hotline"....

Maybe not. I wrote that I would get over it if Trump won; nothing has changed.

That was when you thought he had no chance to win.

Glad that you're still among the living.

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 09:20:01 AM
I couldn't read your link so here's one for us English readers and speakers. Some various protests throughout California and some riots with fires and broken windows in Oakland, CA.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-protest-trump-20161109-story.html

The National Liberal Temper Tantrum is underway.....lots of Special Snowflakes melting under the hot sun of Trump....

Seriously, it's ok to be mad, but it's not ok to be crazy....

[Brits pls note that I am using the American version of "mad".]

Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
Why do all the lefties call Trump a racialist ?? Whats the deal there then?

The Leftoids don't understand the meanings of words anymore. Disagree with them? Then you are, depending on the situation, a "RACIST!!", a "MISGYNIST!!", an "ISLAMOPHOBE!!" or a "BIGOT!!". The Left are the most ENTITLED bunch of asshats that ever came down the pike. They're BETTER than you, they're SMARTER than you, and if you DARE disagree with them, then you're guilty of a HATE CRIME and must be destroyed....

B/B

Please do not talk about Moby in that manner.... Thank you.. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 09, 2016, 09:39:11 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 09, 2016, 07:27:01 PM

^ I was writing about those who claimed that the election was rigged, remember?

I said that the election was/is/would be rigged, more in jest than anything factual in this election, my comment was based upon what I have read in the media's about Past elections..

You need to be a little more careful when calling anyone such names I think...

You most certainly would not call me such a thing to my face, that's for sure...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 09:40:09 PM

Quote from: B.B. on November 09, 2016, 08:41:54 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 09, 2016, 08:13:50 AM
Quote from: B.B. on November 09, 2016, 03:31:18 AM
Quote from: Manny on November 09, 2016, 01:16:19 AM
Someone give TomT and Shakey the depression helpline number.

;D

I think Tom may need "Suicide Hotline"....

Maybe not. I wrote that I would get over it if Trump won; nothing has changed.

That was when you thought he had no chance to win.

Glad that you're still among the living.

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 09:20:01 AM
I couldn't read your link so here's one for us English readers and speakers. Some various protests throughout California and some riots with fires and broken windows in Oakland, CA.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-protest-trump-20161109-story.html

The National Liberal Temper Tantrum is underway.....lots of Special Snowflakes melting under the hot sun of Trump....

Seriously, it's ok to be mad, but it's not ok to be crazy....

[Brits pls note that I am using the American version of "mad".]

Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
Why do all the lefties call Trump a racialist ?? Whats the deal there then?

The Leftoids don't understand the meanings of words anymore. Disagree with them? Then you are, depending on the situation, a "RACIST!!", a "MISGYNIST!!", an "ISLAMOPHOBE!!" or a "BIGOT!!". The Left are the most ENTITLED bunch of asshats that ever came down the pike. They're BETTER than you, they're SMARTER than you, and if you DARE disagree with them, then you're guilty of a HATE CRIME and must be destroyed....

B/B

Speaking of Leftoids who don't understand words anymore. :laugh:

An Info Wars reporter matches wits with some of them.

This is at the University of Austin, TX where he comes up against some student Palestinian Communist Party members.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 09, 2016, 09:40:57 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 09, 2016, 05:43:39 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 10:03:18 PM
My respect for you has risen 10,000 %

Why?

Are you implying that I don't pay my bets?

I ALWAYS pay my bets!

That's what I like to hear... :thumbsup:

Damn.... A Missed chance to make a few £'s...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 09:48:11 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 09, 2016, 09:40:57 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 09, 2016, 05:43:39 PM
Quote from: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 10:03:18 PM
My respect for you has risen 10,000 %

Why?

Are you implying that I don't pay my bets?

I ALWAYS pay my bets!

That's what I like to hear... :thumbsup:

Damn.... A Missed chance to make a few £'s...

He only offered even odds. You could have gotten 5 to 1 odds with the Irish bookmaker that someone mentioned. They were so convinced of a Hillary victory that the fools paid Hillary bettors before the results!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 09, 2016, 09:51:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 09:48:11 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 09, 2016, 09:40:57 PM
Quote from: shakespear on November 09, 2016, 05:43:39 PM
Quote from: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 10:03:18 PM
My respect for you has risen 10,000 %

Why?

Are you implying that I don't pay my bets?

I ALWAYS pay my bets!

That's what I like to hear... :thumbsup:

Damn.... A Missed chance to make a few £'s...

He only offered even odds. You could have gotten 5 to 1 odds with the Irish bookmaker that someone mentioned. They were so convinced of a Hillary victory that the fools paid Hillary bettors before the results!

Read somewhere, that one punter actually bet £100,000.00 on a Hillary win, wonder how he feels now??? ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 10:21:41 PM

This was an interesting conference to watch. Putin does a smack-down on CNN smart-ass Fareed Zakaria.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on November 09, 2016, 10:48:55 PM

Quote from: author T2

After Trump won the electoral vote, they expressed no concerns about documented incidents that benefited Trump, such as polling station shutdowns in minority areas, minorities being removed from voter lists and voter intimidation. Calling them "stupid assholes" is arbitrary; other terms might apply as well.

T2 help explain your electoral process to me. What I can't figure out is why the vote lines were two hours long in some reports. I'm curious how long was your wait, and how many eligible voters would you estimate were on the list in your polling station?
IF the line up is long and they close the polling station before one gets to vote, it appears to me to be a failure in a person's democratic rights, by being denied an opportunity to vote.
46% of eligible voters didn't vote, so why the long lines and not more polling stations? (or whatever they're called down there)

IT would appear that the US system is flawed, Clinton got more votes, in the British system she would of won.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 10:51:57 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 09, 2016, 09:51:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 09:48:11 PM
Quote from: Gipsy on November 09, 2016, 09:40:57 PM
Quote from: shakespear on November 09, 2016, 05:43:39 PM
Quote from: Maxx on November 08, 2016, 10:03:18 PM
My respect for you has risen 10,000 %

Why?

Are you implying that I don't pay my bets?

I ALWAYS pay my bets!

That's what I like to hear... :thumbsup:

Damn.... A Missed chance to make a few £'s...

He only offered even odds. You could have gotten 5 to 1 odds with the Irish bookmaker that someone mentioned. They were so convinced of a Hillary victory that the fools paid Hillary bettors before the results!

Read somewhere, that one punter actually bet £100,000.00 on a Hillary win, wonder how he feels now??? ;D

I suppose he feels something like these people do, although a bit more severe in his case. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 09, 2016, 11:06:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 02:03:10 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 09, 2016, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2016, 12:20:40 PM
First and foremost, Trump's victory is a thunderous rebuke to the legions of pundits and armies of pollsters who said it couldn't happen, and the mainstream press that declared all-out war on his candidacy. In the days leading up the election, every poll except the IBD/TIPP tracking poll showed Hillary Clinton winning by a wide margin in a four-way race. Newspapers declared that Trump's chances were minimal, if not impossible, while running wall-to-wall hit pieces on Trump. Pundits acted as though the election was over.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-message-of-donald-trumps-stunning-victory/

I like how Michael Moore said it better

No. Michael Moore admits that blue collar Americans have been hurting but he refuses to take responsibility for his participation in that outcome. He goes on Fox and claims that Trump is a con-artist. Trump is absolutely not a con-artist, he's a hard working business man.

Investors Business Daily said it much better because they are sincere and wish Trump and America well.

I call a pox on the house of Michael Moore.

To be clear I can't stand MM but in that portion of the video he summed it up nicely. Too bad that later in his presentation he repudiated his words. The guy is really screwed up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 09, 2016, 11:09:10 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 09, 2016, 05:26:13 PM

People complained that the election was rigged when Trump appeared to be trailing, in spite of having no evidence that malfunctions favored Clinton in more cases than it favored Trump. They just pushed the narrative because it supported their views, not because it was the truth. After Trump won the electoral vote, they expressed no concerns about documented incidents that benefited Trump, such as polling station shutdowns in minority areas, minorities being removed from voter lists and voter intimidation. Calling them "stupid assholes" is arbitrary; other terms might apply as well.

I am very surprised to hear the above comments that "such corrupt actions" took place in the Great Democracy of the USA!

Surely this kind of actions did not take place in previous elections or is it the norm?

:laugh: :laugh: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 11:33:37 PM

It is hard, if not impossible, to look at the US elections and say that the process did not favour one candidate over another. That the unfavoured candidate actually won does not invalidate the observation of corruption of the process.

As I noted before, the rigging of the election is not, as TomT suggested, hyperbolicaly, about vast numbers of fake votes across the entire nation but rather about a series of smaller events and actions taking place at significant points in the system.

I am sure that Team Trump were well aware of this because they were keen to emphasise the importance of citizen oversight of polling stations which certainly would have made direct tampering with the process at that level harder and much more risky. In addition Team Trump emphasised the importance of turnout because they understood the need to have as large a margin as possible in order to overcome the effects of electoral sabotage.

Rigging an election is not just about the physical action taken at the ballot box or during the counting. Rigging an election is about suborning a system such that one candidate is favoured over another. Given that we know of corruption of the electoral process in past elections and that we know of Democrat party sabotage of its own candidates for Team Trump to be concerned about the electoral process was justified.

My guess is that had the election not been as 'interfered with' as it was then the Trump ballot would have been much larger than we saw recorded the other day.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 09, 2016, 11:45:37 PM

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

With Putin

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2016, 11:50:24 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 11:33:37 PM

It is hard, if not impossible, to look at the US elections and say that the process did not favour one candidate over another. That the unfavoured candidate actually won does not invalidate the observation of corruption of the process.

As I noted before, the rigging of the election is not, as TomT suggested, hyperbolicaly, about vast numbers of fake votes across the entire nation but rather about a series of smaller events and actions taking place at significant points in the system.

I am sure that Team Trump were well aware of this because they were keen to emphasise the importance of citizen oversight of polling stations which certainly would have made direct tampering with the process at that level harder and much more risky. In addition Team Trump emphasised the importance of turnout because they understood the need to have as large a margin as possible in order to overcome the effects of electoral sabotage.

Rigging an election is not just about the physical action taken at the ballot box or during the counting. Rigging an election is about suborning a system such that one candidate is favoured over another. Given that we know of corruption of the electoral process in past elections and that we know of Democrat party sabotage of its own candidates for Team Trump to be concerned about the electoral process was justified.

My guess is that had the election not been as 'interfered with' as it was then the Trump ballot would have been much larger than we saw recorded the other day.

Good post. Trumps persistent observations about the system being rigged and urging his followers to get out and vote is what saved our Republic from the sure destruction that Hillary Clinton would have brought down on our nation.

His constant reminders are what kept the dishonest Dictator Hussein thugs from carrying out their subversive activities on a wider scale.

As you wrote above the DNC attempted to thwart Trump through concentrated actions at key points. Clearly the main stream media was in Shillary's pocket. That much was overwhelmingly clear. Hillary was flawed on a hundred different levels while the best they could throw at Trump was that he engaged in some vulgar language. I'll take vulgar language over acts of Treason and constant interference in other nations any day.

Thankfully other sane Americans felt the same way. We now have control of both houses of Congress as well as the Presidency. No doubt the forces of the global cabal will continue to attempt to overthrow our Republic as it would be the jewel in their "crown". Not today. Not for the next 8 years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2016, 12:16:08 AM

Trump victory is a win for the little guy over the elite.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/09/trump-victory-is-a-win-for-the-little-guy-over-the-elite/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 10, 2016, 12:22:31 AM

It will be interesting to watch how fast DT moves to fill his cabinet and form a working team to move forward.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 10, 2016, 12:32:33 AM

A bit odd, but three states have not awarded there Electoral College Votes; Arizona, Trump won by a big margin, Michigan, Trump has a thin lead of 11,000 votes out of five million cast, and New Hampshire with a lead for Clinton of about 1,400 votes. There were less than 800,000 votes cast in New Hampshire.

Anyone has any ideas why this is?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 10, 2016, 04:09:49 AM

:popcorn:

Those short flashes of putin in between get me every time :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 10, 2016, 06:41:22 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 10, 2016, 12:32:33 AM

A bit odd, but three states have not awarded there Electoral College Votes; Arizona, Trump won by a big margin, Michigan, Trump has a thin lead of 11,000 votes out of five million cast, and New Hampshire with a lead for Clinton of about 1,400 votes. There were less than 800,000 votes cast in New Hampshire.

Anyone has any ideas why this is?

When it is very close in some states it is an automatic recount. For reasons I do not understand the never counted the last 20 per cent of the ballots in AZ.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 10, 2016, 06:46:20 AM

This is the problem with Trump. He was too polarizing in his campaign and the protest are already starting. I feel the civil unrest is likely to get worse before it get better. The globalist are not going to take this lying down.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/thousands-of-anti-trump-protesters-take-to-streets-of-us-cities/ar-AAk74hs?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 10, 2016, 06:53:11 AM

From Newsmax

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax-Tv/ed-klein-hillary-clinton-crying-election/2016/11/09/id/758084/

Home | Newsmax TV
Tags: 2016 Elections | Barack Obama | Hillary Clinton | Newsmax TV | Steve Malzberg Show | ed klein | hillary clinton
Ed Klein: Hillary Couldn't Stop Crying, Told Friend She Blames Comey and Obama For Loss

By Todd Beamon | Wednesday, 09 Nov 2016 06:08 PM

Hillary Clinton "couldn't stop crying" once she learned of her loss to Donald Trump on Tuesday, best-selling conservative author Ed Klein told Newsmax TV on Wednesday.

"About 6:30 this morning she called an old friend," he began on "The Steve Malzberg Show" in an interview. "She was crying, inconsolably.

"She couldn't stop crying.

"Her friend said — her female friend from way, way, back — said that it was even hard to understand what she was saying, she was crying so hard.

"This is Hillary we're talking about," Klein said.

"Eventually," he continued, "her friend said she could make out that she was blaming James Comey, the director of the FBI, for her loss — and this I don't understand exactly — and the president of the United States for not doing enough."

Klein said his source then asked further about President Barack Obama.

"She said: 'Well, she felt, Hillary felt, that the president could have stopped Comey a long time ago, because that's what [former President] Bill [Clinton] said."

© 2016 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 10, 2016, 07:01:56 AM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Nov 2012 : ''The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.''

Hilary Clinton won more 600k votes ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 10, 2016, 07:55:41 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 10, 2016, 06:46:20 AM

This is the problem with Trump. He was too polarizing in his campaign and the protest are already starting. I feel the civil unrest is likely to get worse before it get better. The globalist are not going to take this lying down.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/thousands-of-anti-trump-protesters-take-to-streets-of-us-cities/ar-AAk74hs?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Looks to me like that's back to front.

At the end of the day normal humans can control themselves and we can reasonably expect others to do so. It is not Trump's fault that people have emotionally invested so much of themselves into a particular outcome that they can be caused by those they support to go on a rampage.

Whilst I do not know the mechanism by which these folks are out and becoming sub-human the one thing of which we can be sure is that it is not due to anything that the Republican party or the president elect have said or told people.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2016, 08:17:50 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 10, 2016, 07:55:41 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 10, 2016, 06:46:20 AM
This is the problem with Trump. He was too polarizing in his campaign and the protest are already starting. I feel the civil unrest is likely to get worse before it get better. The globalist are not going to take this lying down.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/thousands-of-anti-trump-protesters-take-to-streets-of-us-cities/ar-AAk74hs?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Looks to me like that's back to front.

At the end of the day normal humans can control themselves and we can reasonably expect others to do so. It is not Trump's fault that people have emotionally invested so much of themselves into a particular outcome that they can be caused by those they support to go on a rampage.

Whilst I do not know the mechanism by which these folks are out and becoming sub-human the one thing of which we can be sure is that it is not due to anything that the Republican party or the president elect have said or told people.

What it is specifically is more Soros paid interference in American democracy. Soros needs to be put in prison somewhere and throw away the key. He is a menace to normal human beings all over the planet.

Some may or may not recall that previously I posted an article showing evidence that Soros paid 33 Million dollars for the rioters in Ferguson, MO. The advert I just posted here is for protesters against Trump now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 10, 2016, 08:33:44 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 10, 2016, 07:01:56 AM

Hilary Clinton won more 600k votes ...

Another Brit who doesn't understand our political system.

Remember our country is a republic of states, not individuals. The Founding Fathers in their genius and infinite wisdom created the Electoral College to insure states with large populations could not bully states with smaller populations in general elections. This is only the 5th time in our country's history that the winner of the popular vote has not also won the Electoral College. In modern times, it prevents with large population centers like California, New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey and Illinois from dominating national elections. Further, since it is specified in the Constitution (Article II, Section 1) I don't think it's likely to change anytime soon.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 10, 2016, 08:34:25 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 09, 2016, 10:48:55 PM

T2 help explain your electoral process to me. What I can't figure out is why the vote lines were two hours long in some reports. I'm curious how long was your wait, and how many eligible voters would you estimate were on the list in your polling station?
IF the line up is long and they close the polling station before one gets to vote, it appears to me to be a failure in a person's democratic rights, by being denied an opportunity to vote.
46% of eligible voters didn't vote, so why the long lines and not more polling stations? (or whatever they're called down there)

IT would appear that the US system is flawed, Clinton got more votes, in the British system she would of won.

My wait to vote was less than one minute but there are fewer than 5000 voters in my town.

If someone is still in line when the polling station is scheduled to close, federal law requires that they will be allowed to vote. Additional voters can't get in line after closing time, that's all.

The problem that occurred in North Carolina was that the GOP suppressed the African-American vote by the strategic closure of polling stations, by taking thousands off the voter lists and by using intimidation tactics. Whether it would have made a difference in the outcome or not is difficult to judge.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/black-turnout-down-north-carolina-after-cuts-early-voting-n679051

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 10, 2016, 08:38:09 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 11:33:37 PM

It is hard, if not impossible, to look at the US elections and say that the process did not favour one candidate over another. That the unfavoured candidate actually won does not invalidate the observation of corruption of the process.

As I noted before, the rigging of the election is not, as TomT suggested, hyperbolicaly, about vast numbers of fake votes across the entire nation but rather about a series of smaller events and actions taking place at significant points in the system.

I am sure that Team Trump were well aware of this because they were keen to emphasise the importance of citizen oversight of polling stations which certainly would have made direct tampering with the process at that level harder and much more risky. In addition Team Trump emphasised the importance of turnout because they understood the need to have as large a margin as possible in order to overcome the effects of electoral sabotage.

If the election was rigged he would not of won. Rigged means no chance for the other guy. Maybe you just do not understand the meaning of the word. Rigged in like the Russians. No one else is going to win other than Putin. Even his popularity is rigged. No body in the country is aloud to be a real threat to Putin's reelection or popularity. His 2018 election is in the bag and has been for many years. NO leader is a sure winner in any western country that many years out. It is a sure sign of a dictator who uses a broken system to justified their leadership.

Rigged is like the Crimea vote where 65 per cent of the people would voted for it but they won by 98 per cent. Now that is rigged. Rigged was like Donbas in Ukraine. Most of those people never wanted to leave the Ukraine but the pro Russians won by 98 per cent. The same people were video recorded voting a number of time and the cameras were only on a short time. All possible no votes were intimated to not to vote. Those who spoke Russian like a Ukrainian were not even aloud to vote if they had the nerve make it to the polls. The only surprise is they did not win by 100 per cent.

No bodies election that involves millions of people is completely fair to the very last vote. Yes we have voter who break the law but it is hard to do in away that would change the election.

Clinton had far more election experience. Clinton had more money and bought more TV time. Clinton had a many of thousands of organizers on the ground to organize voters and Trump did not. Clinton had groups to take voters to the polls to vote for her and Trump did not. More people in the US are democrats than republicans. Trump did not look like a president nor act like one. He said too inflaming remarks. The DOW is reaching all time highs which usually mean the party in power will stay in power. These advantages Clinton had are not rigging. This is why I thought Clinton would win the race.

It might be said the election was rigged for Trump. He lost the popular vote but still won the election because how the way the electoral college works. This has happened before and only for republicans.

Big media in America was clearly on Clinton side. The trouble is 96 per cent of Americans do not trust the US media. It is too bad the same level of voter distrust in the media does not exist in Putin's Russia and with the people on this site who are so easily manipulated Putin's media. It was a large conversation topic in the USA about the bias media during this election. Still they ended up reporting Clintons short coming even though they spend more time reporting Trump's. If Trump did not have serious problems in both platform and ethics he would won this election by a landslide.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 10, 2016, 09:04:18 AM

Are you sure English is your first language?

Let me try to make this easier for you.

To take a very simple example: when one rigs a football game one is taking actions that increase the odds of something happening. There is no guarantee of a desired outcome, but the odds are shifted such that the entity rigging the match can more profitably bet on the outcome.

In an election the same thing occurs. The odds of a desired outcome can be increased by taking certain actions - such as having the media work to convince certain groups of people that voting is not worthwhile. This happened in the case of Bernie Sanders where the media, at the instigation of the DNC ran stories telling their audience that Clinton had already won enough votes to become the nominee. This was untrue, however Sanders' vote was suppressed and, as a result he dropped out of the election.
The same trick was run on the Trump campaign, in that case it failed.

In both cases the election was rigged. In one case the plan worked, in the other it didn't

Does that help you to understand now?
Because you do not understand what you are writing about, sadly the rest of your post became meaningless drivel. Now you can go back and take another stab at writing a less nonsensical post, yes?

Here's a tip for you: before responding to a post please check that you understand what you are writing about. You could, for example, check a dictionary or, heaven forfend, ask a clarifying question of the original poster.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2016, 09:30:26 AM

Texan77 has a more absolute definition of "rigged". I suspect the correct definition is closer to what Andrew wrote. We saw, as proved by project Veritas, repeated attempts by Hillary Clinton and the DNC to paint Donald Trump supporters as violent thugs, when in fact for the most part those were clearly Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters misbehaving and getting paid to do so.

We now see protesters and rioters committing acts of destruction because the little babies are not happy that Trump won the election. As I posted above these rioters have been organized by none other than George Soros.

Texan whether or not you believe our election was fully rigged, do you agree that a foreign actor has attempted to interfere in our democracy by enticing thugs with money? Do you agree that our main street media were willing accomplices to this fraud and deceit because of their unwillingness to investigate?

Thank God for the alleged Russian hackers who gave emails to Julian Assange. I say alleged because the evidence is that those were Democratic party insiders who were furious at the coronation of Hillary at the expense of Bernie Sanders and his voters.

As Dogsoldier said the battle has been joined but it is far from over. The globalist cabal and others still would like to destroy our fair Republic. Good people everywhere in this country must remain vigilant.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 10, 2016, 09:37:13 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 10, 2016, 07:01:56 AM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Nov 2012 : ''The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.''

Hilary Clinton won more 600k votes ...

Democracy can inconvenient to Generation Snowflake types. :coffeeread:

Quote from: Donhollio on November 09, 2016, 10:48:55 PM

Clinton got more votes, in the British system she would of won.

How do you work this out? Its wrong. We have seats similar to the electoral college system; greatest number of seats wins. Only the Brexit referendum was done on a national numbers basis without seats.

Hilarious to see the howling anti-Brexit types here from Generation Snowflake blaming democracy because it didn't go their way. Snowflakes need to learn their time has passed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2016, 09:37:24 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 10, 2016, 08:34:25 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 09, 2016, 10:48:55 PM
T2 help explain your electoral process to me. What I can't figure out is why the vote lines were two hours long in some reports. I'm curious how long was your wait, and how many eligible voters would you estimate were on the list in your polling station?
IF the line up is long and they close the polling station before one gets to vote, it appears to me to be a failure in a person's democratic rights, by being denied an opportunity to vote.
46% of eligible voters didn't vote, so why the long lines and not more polling stations? (or whatever they're called down there)

IT would appear that the US system is flawed, Clinton got more votes, in the British system she would of won.

My wait to vote was less than one minute but there are fewer than 5000 voters in my town.

If someone is still in line when the polling station is scheduled to close, federal law requires that they will be allowed to vote. Additional voters can't get in line after closing time, that's all.

The problem that occurred in North Carolina was that the GOP suppressed the African-American vote by the strategic closure of polling stations, by taking thousands off the voter lists and by using intimidation tactics. Whether it would have made a difference in the outcome or not is difficult to judge.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/black-turnout-down-north-carolina-after-cuts-early-voting-n679051

It is far more probable that black voting in North Carolina was down due to the fact that Hillary Clinton was a horrible candidate who called blacks "super predators" who needed to be "brought to heel". When you have a divisive, stupid, hateful bigot for a candidate how could anyone possibly expect blacks to vote for her?

In fact black voting for Hillary was down throughout the entire nation. Posting a conspiracy theory pushed by "Nothing But Clinton" may entice some more childish protests but in fact Hillary and her supporters have nobody to blame for her loss but herself.

(Video of a black lives matter protester interrupting a Hillary speech and demanding an apology from Hillary for calling blacks "super predators". Needless to say Hillary does not apologize and talks down to the protester who is escorted out of the event. In fact people who like to learn things should go 40 seconds into this video and look at the condescending and incredibly RUDE way which Hillary dismisses this young lady.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 10, 2016, 10:02:45 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 09, 2016, 10:48:55 PM

Quote from: author T2

After Trump won the electoral vote, they expressed no concerns about documented incidents that benefited Trump, such as polling station shutdowns in minority areas, minorities being removed from voter lists and voter intimidation. Calling them "stupid assholes" is arbitrary; other terms might apply as well.

T2 help explain your electoral process to me. What I can't figure out is why the vote lines were two hours long in some reports. I'm curious how long was your wait, and how many eligible voters would you estimate were on the list in your polling station?
IF the line up is long and they close the polling station before one gets to vote, it appears to me to be a failure in a person's democratic rights, by being denied an opportunity to vote.
46% of eligible voters didn't vote, so why the long lines and not more polling stations? (or whatever they're called down there)

IT would appear that the US system is flawed, Clinton got more votes, in the British system she would of won.

If you are in line when the polls close, you still get to vote.

Concerning "why" - it could have been more voters total than usual, or it could have been more first time voters (who needed to be double checked) or maybe the machines were slow, or ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2016, 11:27:06 AM

Analysis of Trump's landslide. Or as I like to call it, Christmas came early and there was a Hog Slaughter.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/trumps-landslide-by-the-numbers-he-crushed-hillary/

:party0011: :party0011: :party0011: :party0011: :party0011: :party0011:

Quote from: Confederate on November 03, 2016, 06:22:04 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 03, 2016, 06:07:43 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on November 03, 2016, 05:56:02 PM
Again I will go on record as saying Donald Trump is gonna be the president elect come next week.

This is incrementally less ridiculous than predicting a "hog slaughter."

dear Santa,

this year I am wanting an early Christmas present. I would really like a hog slaughter in favor of Trump on November 8th. do this small favor for me and no need for any other presents on Christmas. but I will still set some milk and cookies out for you.

your buddie,

Cletus.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 10, 2016, 11:27:49 AM

CLICK HERE! (http://back.ly/A8A6)

A point about the 'popular vote' as a large number of absentee ballots have yet to be declared it is quite likely that Clinton will not have won the popular vote either. The margin between the two main candidates is tiny.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 10, 2016, 11:29:38 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 10, 2016, 11:27:49 AM

CLICK HERE! (http://back.ly/A8A6)

It isn't working Andrew.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 10, 2016, 11:35:07 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 10, 2016, 11:29:38 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 10, 2016, 11:27:49 AM
CLICK HERE! (http://back.ly/A8A6)

It isn't working Andrew.

Works here.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 10, 2016, 11:37:10 AM

:'(

Quote from: andrewfi on November 10, 2016, 11:27:49 AM

CLICK HERE! (http://back.ly/A8A6)

:chuckle:
Them lil :censored:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2016, 11:56:35 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 10, 2016, 11:37:10 AM

:'(
Quote from: andrewfi on November 10, 2016, 11:27:49 AM
CLICK HERE! (http://back.ly/A8A6)

:chuckle:
Them lil :censored:

More evidence of Soros paid screwing with our Democracy. I want that turd in prison. Who agrees with me?

https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU8/status/796777219968249856

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 10, 2016, 12:00:39 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 10, 2016, 09:37:13 AM

How do you work this out? Its wrong. We have seats similar to the electoral college system; greatest number of seats wins. Only the Brexit referendum was done on a national numbers basis without seats.

I explained in clearly here:
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,25906.msg452253.html#msg452253

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 10, 2016, 12:28:27 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 10, 2016, 08:38:09 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 09, 2016, 11:33:37 PM
It is hard, if not impossible, to look at the US elections and say that the process did not favour one candidate over another. That the unfavoured candidate actually won does not invalidate the observation of corruption of the process.

As I noted before, the rigging of the election is not, as TomT suggested, hyperbolicaly, about vast numbers of fake votes across the entire nation but rather about a series of smaller events and actions taking place at significant points in the system.

I am sure that Team Trump were well aware of this because they were keen to emphasise the importance of citizen oversight of polling stations which certainly would have made direct tampering with the process at that level harder and much more risky. In addition Team Trump emphasised the importance of turnout because they understood the need to have as large a margin as possible in order to overcome the effects of electoral sabotage.

If the election was rigged he would not of won. Rigged means no chance for the other guy. Maybe you just do not understand the meaning of the word. Rigged in like the Russians. No one else is going to win other than Putin. Even his popularity is rigged. No body in the country is aloud to be a real threat to Putin's reelection or popularity. His 2018 election is in the bag and has been for many years. NO leader is a sure winner in any western country that many years out. It is a sure sign of a dictator who uses a broken system to justified their leadership.

Rigged is like the Crimea vote where 65 per cent of the people would voted for it but they won by 98 per cent. Now that is rigged. Rigged was like Donbas in Ukraine. Most of those people never wanted to leave the Ukraine but the pro Russians won by 98 per cent. The same people were video recorded voting a number of time and the cameras were only on a short time. All possible no votes were intimated to not to vote. Those who spoke Russian like a Ukrainian were not even aloud to vote if they had the nerve make it to the polls. The only surprise is they did not win by 100 per cent.

No bodies election that involves millions of people is completely fair to the very last vote. Yes we have voter who break the law but it is hard to do in away that would change the election.

Clinton had far more election experience. Clinton had more money and bought more TV time. Clinton had a many of thousands of organizers on the ground to organize voters and Trump did not. Clinton had groups to take voters to the polls to vote for her and Trump did not. More people in the US are democrats than republicans. Trump did not look like a president nor act like one. He said too inflaming remarks. The DOW is reaching all time highs which usually mean the party in power will stay in power. These advantages Clinton had are not rigging. This is why I thought Clinton would win the race.

It might be said the election was rigged for Trump. He lost the popular vote but still won the election because how the way the electoral college works. This has happened before and only for republicans.

Big media in America was clearly on Clinton side. The trouble is 96 per cent of Americans do not trust the US media. It is too bad the same level of voter distrust in the media does not exist in Putin's Russia and with the people on this site who are so easily manipulated Putin's media. It was a large conversation topic in the USA about the bias media during this election. Still they ended up reporting Clintons short coming even though they spend more time reporting Trump's. If Trump did not have serious problems in both platform and ethics he would won this election by a landslide.

You're getting confused again. Rigged is different from fixed :-X

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 10, 2016, 01:22:19 PM

This is a great rant.

It is hard to argue against his points, so I won't, but I don't share his political stance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2016, 01:53:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 10, 2016, 12:00:39 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 10, 2016, 09:37:13 AM
How do you work this out? Its wrong. We have seats similar to the electoral college system; greatest number of seats wins. Only the Brexit referendum was done on a national numbers basis without seats.

I explained in clearly here:
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,25906.msg452253.html#msg452253

I understood the explanation given by Shakespeare and it makes perfect sense to me. I would prefer if only land owners and business owners could vote TBH.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 10, 2016, 01:57:30 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 10, 2016, 01:53:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 10, 2016, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: Manny on November 10, 2016, 09:37:13 AM
How do you work this out? Its wrong. We have seats similar to the electoral college system; greatest number of seats wins. Only the Brexit referendum was done on a national numbers basis without seats.

I explained in clearly here:
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,25906.msg452253.html#msg452253

I understood the explanation given by Shakespeare and it makes perfect sense to me. I would prefer if only land owners and business owners could vote TBH.

You are suggesting that you want to take away my right to vote? That is why we have the 2nd amendment.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 10, 2016, 02:00:01 PM

Just a note: shakespear has paid off the bet he had with me (I won, and so did the country).

While I haven't received the check yet, if he says he put it in the mail, he has done so and I need no other assurance.

Cheers, Slumba

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2016, 02:03:49 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 10, 2016, 01:57:30 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 10, 2016, 01:53:41 PM
Quote from: shakespear on November 10, 2016, 12:00:39 PM
Quote from: Manny on November 10, 2016, 09:37:13 AM
How do you work this out? Its wrong. We have seats similar to the electoral college system; greatest number of seats wins. Only the Brexit referendum was done on a national numbers basis without seats.

I explained in clearly here:
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,25906.msg452253.html#msg452253

I understood the explanation given by Shakespeare and it makes perfect sense to me. I would prefer if only land owners and business owners could vote TBH.

You are suggesting that you want to take away my right to vote? That is why we have the 2nd amendment.

I also don't like the 19th amendment and hope Trump repeals it with executive action. :ROFL:

Okay, I'm just joking about the 19th amendment. The others would be a way to keep recent immigrants who don't like or respect what made America great in the first place (the Constitution) from ruining it. So it was tongue in cheek.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 10, 2016, 02:10:14 PM

Quote from: Slumba on November 10, 2016, 02:00:01 PM

Just a note: shakespear has paid off the bet he had with me (I won, and so did the country).

While I haven't received the check yet, if he says he put it in the mail, he has done so and I need no other assurance.

Cheers, Slumba

I don't think anyone had any real reservations about that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 10, 2016, 02:18:00 PM

Hmmm...

In the UK we DON'T have an electoral college. That's a USAian perversion of democracy. Designed to make sure that the plebeians don't get to make mistakes in their voting choices. :hidechair:

In the UK we have a 'first past the post' system, which is used in the US to indicate the preference of the general electorate to the electoral college which has no legal duty, as I understand it, to follow the mandate provided by the electorate. The outcome of the vote is that the candidate with the most votes gets the seat in parliament, county council, parish council, whatever. There's no intermediate stage in the UK.

That's how we get the situation where the winner quite often does not have an outright majority which is then used by the losers to claim that the winner does not have a mandate from the electorate. It isn't the presence or otherwise of the electoral college that leads to the possibility of a winning candidate not having a majority of votes.

In both systems though one can get to have candidates elected who don't have a majority due to the boundaries and sizes of the electoral areas. For example, in the US election the difference between Trump and Clinton (at this stage before all votes are counted) is about 250K as I recall. However in California alone Clinton's vote exceeded Trump's by about 4 million. Excluding this hugely populous state and Trump has a majority of the vote across the while of the rest of the country. Thus, if the election was purely based upon the popular vote it'd be likely that California would, in most cases, be the arbiter of who was elected to the presidency. No need for any other part of the country to vote. ;)

I am not sure but I recall reading years ago that this effect was due to migration mad population growth in California and that a similar effect is seen at state level as a result of migration from and depopulation of the countryside to urban areas.

Geographically, Trump's mandate is clear. Across the country an overwhelming number of towns, villages and states prefered Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 10, 2016, 03:14:31 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 10, 2016, 08:38:09 AM

If the election was rigged he would not of won. Rigged means no chance for the other guy. Maybe you just do not understand the meaning of the word. Rigged in like the Russians. No one else is going to win other than Putin. Even his popularity is rigged. No body in the country is aloud to be a real threat to Putin's reelection or popularity. His 2018 election is in the bag and has been for many years. NO leader is a sure winner in any western country that many years out. It is a sure sign of a dictator who uses a broken system to justified their leadership.

Rigged is like the Crimea vote where 65 per cent of the people would voted for it but they won by 98 per cent. Now that is rigged. Rigged was like Donbas in Ukraine. Most of those people never wanted to leave the Ukraine but the pro Russians won by 98 per cent. The same people were video recorded voting a number of time and the cameras were only on a short time. All possible no votes were intimated to not to vote. Those who spoke Russian like a Ukrainian were not even aloud to vote if they had the nerve make it to the polls. The only surprise is they did not win by 100 per cent.

It might be said the election was rigged for Trump. He lost the popular vote but still won the election because how the way the electoral college works. This has happened before and only for republicans.

Big media in America was clearly on Clinton side. The trouble is 96 per cent of Americans do not trust the US media. . . If Trump did not have serious problems in both platform and ethics he would won this election by a landslide.

Quote from: andrewfi on November 10, 2016, 09:04:18 AM

To take a very simple example: when one rigs a football game one is taking actions that increase the odds of something happening. There is no guarantee of a desired outcome, but the odds are shifted such that the entity rigging the match can more profitably bet on the outcome.

In an election the same thing occurs. The odds of a desired outcome can be increased by taking certain actions - such as having the media work to convince certain groups of people that voting is not worthwhile. This happened in the case of Bernie Sanders where the media, at the instigation of the DNC ran stories telling their audience that Clinton had already won enough votes to become the nominee. This was untrue, however Sanders' vote was suppressed and, as a result he dropped out of the election.
The same trick was run on the Trump campaign, in that case it failed.

In both cases the election was rigged. In one case the plan worked, in the other it didn't

As noted above perhaps the word that Texan is seeking is fixed. Obviously what ever Hillary did, it did not work in her favour.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 10, 2016, 03:54:51 PM

Oh, I think there's little doubt but that the machinations of various stakeholders DID benefit Team Clinton - just not enough.

Cheating or no cheating she was a very, very bad candidate but assuming that all the votes cast for her were legitimate she very nearly pulled it off.

Her case clearly shows the benefits of cheating. Had the candidate been almost any other viable Democrat nominee, benefiting from the same degree of black support then Trump would not have won. He overcame a huge degree of manipulation, trickery, programing, media manipulation and dishonesty. If his background was not as clean as it is then he could not have hoped to succeed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 10, 2016, 04:56:11 PM

This should be in the western propaganda thread, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks Russia had a hand in taking Hillary down a few notches?

Vladimir Putin 'was in contact with Donald Trump during US election campaign'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-was-contact-donald-9237207

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2016, 05:34:10 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 10, 2016, 04:56:11 PM

This should be in the western propaganda thread, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks Russia had a hand in taking Hillary down a few notches?

Vladimir Putin 'was in contact with Donald Trump during US election campaign'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-was-contact-donald-9237207

Don't give the Hillary supporters any more nonsense theories to cry about.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2016, 05:39:23 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 10, 2016, 02:18:00 PM

Hmmm...

In the UK we DON'T have an electoral college. That's a USAian perversion of democracy. Designed to make sure that the plebeians don't get to make mistakes in their voting choices. :hidechair:

In the UK we have a 'first past the post' system, which is used in the US to indicate the preference of the general electorate to the electoral college which has no legal duty, as I understand it, to follow the mandate provided by the electorate. The outcome of the vote is that the candidate with the most votes gets the seat in parliament, county council, parish council, whatever. There's no intermediate stage in the UK.

That's how we get the situation where the winner quite often does not have an outright majority which is then used by the losers to claim that the winner does not have a mandate from the electorate. It isn't the presence or otherwise of the electoral college that leads to the possibility of a winning candidate not having a majority of votes.

In both systems though one can get to have candidates elected who don't have a majority due to the boundaries and sizes of the electoral areas. For example, in the US election the difference between Trump and Clinton (at this stage before all votes are counted) is about 250K as I recall. However in California alone Clinton's vote exceeded Trump's by about 4 million. Excluding this hugely populous state and Trump has a majority of the vote across the while of the rest of the country. Thus, if the election was purely based upon the popular vote it'd be likely that California would, in most cases, be the arbiter of who was elected to the presidency. No need for any other part of the country to vote. ;)

I am not sure but I recall reading years ago that this effect was due to migration mad population growth in California and that a similar effect is seen at state level as a result of migration from and depopulation of the countryside to urban areas.

Geographically, Trump's mandate is clear. Across the country an overwhelming number of towns, villages and states prefered Trump.

As you can see by your analysis only one whack-job state with a bunch of self-loathing loons could skew an election for an entire country. To say that the average liberal ass-hat from California has a different brain than a common sense blue-collar type from a "flyover" state is an understatement. Add about 20 Million Mexicans who came to the USA illegally residing in California and you truly have a situation which could eventually cause a revolution. Why should the majority of normal Americans be told how to govern their country by persons a majority of whom never should be allowed to vote?

Glad that there is at least one sane, sensible and rational European here to see things the way most of us do. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2016, 06:30:28 PM

For the European's and the one Canook. When you take out the fraud, the dead people who voted and the illegals, you have a majority of Americans who did indeed vote for Trump. In other words he not only won the electoral, he won the popular as well.

Now if Reagan had not given amnesty to 12 million hispanic voters all those years ago this would be even better. As well we believe a portion of the 12 to 20 million illegals here now improperly cast a ballot.

https://twitter.com/ChristiChat/status/796884345902469120

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2016, 06:46:51 PM

Who is this Tomi? I think I like this Tomi. :laugh:

http://truthfeed.com/video-tomi-lahrens-final-thoughts-on-the-election-america-stood-up-to-the-elites/34927/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 10, 2016, 06:49:52 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 10, 2016, 05:39:23 PM

Glad that there is at least one sane, sensible and rational European here to see things the way most of us do. tiphat

Don't start feeling too sassy; you may not be a convenient foil for Andrew next time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on November 10, 2016, 06:53:09 PM

Quote

The point of all this was to try to make the presidential election function like ordinary statewide elections for governor or senator, at least within each state.

Quote

If the United States does away with the Electoral College, future presidential elections will go to candidates and parties willing to cater to urban voters and skew the nation’s policies toward big-city interests. Small-town issues and rural values will no longer be their concern.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/7/12315574/electoral-college-explained-presidential-elections-2016

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 10, 2016, 07:03:09 PM

Trump is scheduled to give an interview Sunday evening on CBS, 60 minutes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2016, 09:12:03 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 10, 2016, 06:49:52 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 10, 2016, 05:39:23 PM
Glad that there is at least one sane, sensible and rational European here to see things the way most of us do. tiphat

Don't start feeling too sassy; you may not be a convenient foil for Andrew next time.

Look at the map carefully. The gray areas are normal people who like themselves and the blue areas are weirdos who prefer to have open borders and commit suicide via self destruction. Notice that the gray areas are much larger than the tiny pockets of weirdos. The gray areas also have all the guns. Next time you want to vote for a candidate who is hell-bent on destroying our fair Republic think about that. Also think about the fact that the gray areas produce all the food. Have a nice day. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2016, 09:25:40 PM

hey Shillary guy, are these your hero's?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on November 11, 2016, 01:05:14 AM

Quote from: Manny
link=topic=25906.msg452259#msg452259 date=1478795833

Quote from: msmoby on November 10, 2016, 07:01:56 AM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/266038556504494082?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Nov 2012 : ''The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.''

Hilary Clinton won more 600k votes ...

Democracy can inconvenient to Generation Snowflake types. :coffeeread:

Quote from: Donhollio on November 09, 2016, 10:48:55 PM
Clinton got more votes, in the British system she would of won.

How do you work this out? Its wrong. We have seats similar to the electoral college system; greatest number of seats wins. Only the Brexit referendum was done on a national numbers basis without seats.

Hilarious to see the howling anti-Brexit types here from Generation Snowflake blaming democracy because it didn't go their way. Snowflakes need to learn their time has passed.

I should of said Canadian system.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on November 11, 2016, 01:07:23 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 10, 2016, 08:34:25 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 09, 2016, 10:48:55 PM
T2 help explain your electoral process to me. What I can't figure out is why the vote lines were two hours long in some reports. I'm curious how long was your wait, and how many eligible voters would you estimate were on the list in your polling station?
IF the line up is long and they close the polling station before one gets to vote, it appears to me to be a failure in a person's democratic rights, by being denied an opportunity to vote.
46% of eligible voters didn't vote, so why the long lines and not more polling stations? (or whatever they're called down there)

IT would appear that the US system is flawed, Clinton got more votes, in the British system she would of won.

My wait to vote was less than one minute but there are fewer than 5000 voters in my town.

If someone is still in line when the polling station is scheduled to close, federal law requires that they will be allowed to vote. Additional voters can't get in line after closing time, that's all.

The problem that occurred in North Carolina was that the GOP suppressed the African-American vote by the strategic closure of polling stations, by taking thousands off the voter lists and by using intimidation tactics. Whether it would have made a difference in the outcome or not is difficult to judge.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/2016-election-day/black-turnout-down-north-carolina-after-cuts-early-voting-n679051

Thanks for replying Tom

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 11, 2016, 01:21:11 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 10, 2016, 04:56:11 PM

This should be in the western propaganda thread, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks Russia had a hand in taking Hillary down a few notches?

Vladimir Putin 'was in contact with Donald Trump during US election campaign'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-was-contact-donald-9237207

Putin wasn't. The Russian government was, however they clearly stated they wanted to be in contact with both candidates only hillary's team never replied to their attempts to contact them.

That fact alone is worrysome, that you think you can ignore a powerful country like Russia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 11, 2016, 02:16:07 AM

Interesting comments from Adam Geller who headed Team Trump's polling: CLICK HERE! (http://back.ly/q74J)

Big 'I told you so' from me!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 03:25:27 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 11, 2016, 02:16:07 AM

Interesting comments from Adam Geller who headed Team Trump's polling: CLICK HERE! (http://back.ly/q74J)

Big 'I told you so' from me!

From the link you posted, which was fascinating.

Remember the movie “The Horse Whisperer?” Well, in this case you need to be a Poll Whisperer. You need to listen to what the poll is trying to tell you, not adhere to models that have no relevance, not to “herd” like so many pollsters do, so that their poll conforms to a narrative.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 03:38:02 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 11, 2016, 01:21:11 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 10, 2016, 04:56:11 PM
This should be in the western propaganda thread, but I'm wondering if anyone thinks Russia had a hand in taking Hillary down a few notches?

Vladimir Putin 'was in contact with Donald Trump during US election campaign'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putin-was-contact-donald-9237207
Putin wasn't. The Russian government was, however they clearly stated they wanted to be in contact with both candidates only hillary's team never replied to their attempts to contact them.

That fact alone is worrysome, that you think you can ignore a powerful country like Russia.

Far worse than ignoring Russia Hillary kept poking a sharp stick into the eye of Russia by her false claims that Russian hackers and Russia itself were trying to interfere in our election. In her bizarre world any deflection away from her own crimes is justified when in fact she would have been facing a very properly upset Russia had she won. And I suspect she knew the mole was an internal Democratic insider who was upset over her treatment of Bernie Sanders. Then there was the fact that she kept droning on about a "no fly zone" in Syria. Thank God that woman is gone.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 11, 2016, 03:48:56 AM

The herding was clear. There's a technique in analysis called goal seeking. In very brief terms the idea is that one has a desired goal and one alters one's analytical algorithms to ensure that the analysis meets that goal.

It has a legitimate place in analysis, but not in this context.

I think that three issues conspired to mislead both the media and the Clinton team.
1) The media had been rounded up and corralled to support a Clinton victory. Polling is a known tool for influencing rather than measuring opinion and was thus used for that purpose. Of course NOBODY will admit to that and thus reliance will be placed on the following points:
2) Nobody wanted to be wrong - so, if one set of numbers showed a Clinton advantage then the models were adjusted until agreement with the herd was reached.
3) Analysts, particularly in the Clinton team did not dig into the data closely. As Geller notes, Team Clinton were using an automated analysis tool called Ada to draw relationships and highlight research needs and thus action points. The Trump team did the job manually. The latter takes a lot more time and requires a greater degree of skill.

Many years ago I worked for a time with a small, but professional, marketing research team and so know something of how to analyse data across different criteria (cross tabbing) and how even with the rudimentary tools we had back then, one could do a lot of the work automatically - or rather the computing bureau did. Part of the problem is that 30 years ago (my vintage) analysis required skills and training. Today one can do the analysis oneself using desktop PC tools, the task has been de-skilled but with that de-skilling is lost the insight that real skill, real proficiency brings. Geller's team were skilled folk. Trump, as is his wont, chose very good people with whom to work.

Geller points out a specific example in the Trump campaign that illustrates the benefit of human analysis. As he notes, press and other analysts were dumbfounded at some of the moves made by the Trump team. had they looked more closely at what Team Trump was doing then this farago might have been avoided.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 03:56:42 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 11, 2016, 03:48:56 AM

The herding was clear. There's a technique in analysis called goal seeking. In very brief terms the idea is that one has a desired goal and one alters one's analytical algorithms to ensure that the analysis meets that goal.

It has a legitimate place in analysis, but not in this context.

I think that three issues conspired to mislead both the media and the Clinton team.
1) The media had been rounded up and corralled to support a Clinton victory. Polling is a known tool for influencing rather than measuring opinion and was thus used for that purpose. Of course NOBODY will admit to that and thus reliance will be placed on the following points:
2) Nobody wanted to be wrong - so, if one set of numbers showed a Clinton advantage then the models were adjusted until agreement with the herd was reached.
3) Analysts, particularly in the Clinton team did not dig into the data closely. As Geller notes, Team Clinton were using an automated analysis tool called Ada to draw relationships and highlight research needs and thus action points. The Trump team did the job manually. The latter takes a lot more time and requires a greater degree of skill.

Many years ago I worked for a time with a small, but professional, marketing research team and so know something of how to analyse data across different criteria (cross tabbing) and how even with the rudimentary tools we had back then, one could do a lot of the work automatically - or rather the computing bureau did. Part of the problem is that 30 years ago (my vintage) analysis required skills and training. Today one can do the analysis oneself using desktop PC tools, the task has been de-skilled but with that de-skilling is lost the insight that real skill, real proficiency brings. Geller's team were skilled folk. Trump, as is his wont, chose very good people with whom to work.

Geller points out a specific example in the Trump campaign that illustrates the benefit of human analysis. As he notes, press and other analysts were dumbfounded at some of the moves made by the Trump team. had they looked more closely at what Team Trump was doing then this farago might have been avoided.

Trump has said he is going to hire "smart" people and he certainly had good hunches about this. Trump is simply more of a a natural at digging in and getting the correct human intelligence that you mention.

Whereas the other side has a history of believing they and they alone are right, and then finding sycophants to go along with their "wisdom". I'm enjoying the fact that the Hillary people did it to themselves. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 11, 2016, 04:24:09 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 11, 2016, 03:56:42 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 11, 2016, 03:48:56 AM
The herding was clear. There's a technique in analysis called goal seeking. In very brief terms the idea is that one has a desired goal and one alters one's analytical algorithms to ensure that the analysis meets that goal.

It has a legitimate place in analysis, but not in this context.

I think that three issues conspired to mislead both the media and the Clinton team.
1) The media had been rounded up and corralled to support a Clinton victory. Polling is a known tool for influencing rather than measuring opinion and was thus used for that purpose. Of course NOBODY will admit to that and thus reliance will be placed on the following points:
2) Nobody wanted to be wrong - so, if one set of numbers showed a Clinton advantage then the models were adjusted until agreement with the herd was reached.
3) Analysts, particularly in the Clinton team did not dig into the data closely. As Geller notes, Team Clinton were using an automated analysis tool called Ada to draw relationships and highlight research needs and thus action points. The Trump team did the job manually. The latter takes a lot more time and requires a greater degree of skill.

Many years ago I worked for a time with a small, but professional, marketing research team and so know something of how to analyse data across different criteria (cross tabbing) and how even with the rudimentary tools we had back then, one could do a lot of the work automatically - or rather the computing bureau did. Part of the problem is that 30 years ago (my vintage) analysis required skills and training. Today one can do the analysis oneself using desktop PC tools, the task has been de-skilled but with that de-skilling is lost the insight that real skill, real proficiency brings. Geller's team were skilled folk. Trump, as is his wont, chose very good people with whom to work.

Geller points out a specific example in the Trump campaign that illustrates the benefit of human analysis. As he notes, press and other analysts were dumbfounded at some of the moves made by the Trump team. had they looked more closely at what Team Trump was doing then this farago might have been avoided.

Trump has said he is going to hire "smart" people and he certainly had good hunches about this. Trump is simply more of a a natural at digging in and getting the correct human intelligence that you mention.

Whereas the other side has a history of believing they and they alone are right, and then finding sycophants to go along with their "wisdom". I'm enjoying the fact that the Hillary people did it to themselves. :chuckle:

You mean they anally interfered with themselves?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 11, 2016, 05:00:51 AM

Waking up finally.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 05:03:11 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 11, 2016, 05:00:51 AM

Waking up finally.

Andrew already posted that. sorry, I can't stand the prick. even though there's a msg. in there somewhere.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 05:05:51 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 11, 2016, 04:24:09 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 11, 2016, 03:56:42 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on November 11, 2016, 03:48:56 AM
The herding was clear. There's a technique in analysis called goal seeking. In very brief terms the idea is that one has a desired goal and one alters one's analytical algorithms to ensure that the analysis meets that goal.

It has a legitimate place in analysis, but not in this context.

I think that three issues conspired to mislead both the media and the Clinton team.
1) The media had been rounded up and corralled to support a Clinton victory. Polling is a known tool for influencing rather than measuring opinion and was thus used for that purpose. Of course NOBODY will admit to that and thus reliance will be placed on the following points:
2) Nobody wanted to be wrong - so, if one set of numbers showed a Clinton advantage then the models were adjusted until agreement with the herd was reached.
3) Analysts, particularly in the Clinton team did not dig into the data closely. As Geller notes, Team Clinton were using an automated analysis tool called Ada to draw relationships and highlight research needs and thus action points. The Trump team did the job manually. The latter takes a lot more time and requires a greater degree of skill.

Many years ago I worked for a time with a small, but professional, marketing research team and so know something of how to analyse data across different criteria (cross tabbing) and how even with the rudimentary tools we had back then, one could do a lot of the work automatically - or rather the computing bureau did. Part of the problem is that 30 years ago (my vintage) analysis required skills and training. Today one can do the analysis oneself using desktop PC tools, the task has been de-skilled but with that de-skilling is lost the insight that real skill, real proficiency brings. Geller's team were skilled folk. Trump, as is his wont, chose very good people with whom to work.

Geller points out a specific example in the Trump campaign that illustrates the benefit of human analysis. As he notes, press and other analysts were dumbfounded at some of the moves made by the Trump team. had they looked more closely at what Team Trump was doing then this farago might have been avoided.

Trump has said he is going to hire "smart" people and he certainly had good hunches about this. Trump is simply more of a a natural at digging in and getting the correct human intelligence that you mention.

Whereas the other side has a history of believing they and they alone are right, and then finding sycophants to go along with their "wisdom". I'm enjoying the fact that the Hillary people did it to themselves. :chuckle:
You mean they anally interfered with themselves?

Shall I post some more political cartoons in order to give you a visual image? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 11, 2016, 05:06:14 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 11, 2016, 05:03:11 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 11, 2016, 05:00:51 AM
Waking up finally.

Andrew already posted that. sorry, I can't stand the prick.

Did he? Missed that. First time I've seen him and yes, he is pretty obnoxious. He's right, though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 11, 2016, 05:08:22 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 11, 2016, 05:05:51 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 11, 2016, 04:24:09 AM
Quote from: Confederate on November 11, 2016, 03:56:42 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on November 11, 2016, 03:48:56 AM
The herding was clear. There's a technique in analysis called goal seeking. In very brief terms the idea is that one has a desired goal and one alters one's analytical algorithms to ensure that the analysis meets that goal.

It has a legitimate place in analysis, but not in this context.

I think that three issues conspired to mislead both the media and the Clinton team.
1) The media had been rounded up and corralled to support a Clinton victory. Polling is a known tool for influencing rather than measuring opinion and was thus used for that purpose. Of course NOBODY will admit to that and thus reliance will be placed on the following points:
2) Nobody wanted to be wrong - so, if one set of numbers showed a Clinton advantage then the models were adjusted until agreement with the herd was reached.
3) Analysts, particularly in the Clinton team did not dig into the data closely. As Geller notes, Team Clinton were using an automated analysis tool called Ada to draw relationships and highlight research needs and thus action points. The Trump team did the job manually. The latter takes a lot more time and requires a greater degree of skill.

Many years ago I worked for a time with a small, but professional, marketing research team and so know something of how to analyse data across different criteria (cross tabbing) and how even with the rudimentary tools we had back then, one could do a lot of the work automatically - or rather the computing bureau did. Part of the problem is that 30 years ago (my vintage) analysis required skills and training. Today one can do the analysis oneself using desktop PC tools, the task has been de-skilled but with that de-skilling is lost the insight that real skill, real proficiency brings. Geller's team were skilled folk. Trump, as is his wont, chose very good people with whom to work.

Geller points out a specific example in the Trump campaign that illustrates the benefit of human analysis. As he notes, press and other analysts were dumbfounded at some of the moves made by the Trump team. had they looked more closely at what Team Trump was doing then this farago might have been avoided.

Trump has said he is going to hire "smart" people and he certainly had good hunches about this. Trump is simply more of a a natural at digging in and getting the correct human intelligence that you mention.

Whereas the other side has a history of believing they and they alone are right, and then finding sycophants to go along with their "wisdom". I'm enjoying the fact that the Hillary people did it to themselves. :chuckle:
You mean they anally interfered with themselves?

Shall I post some more political cartoons in order to give you a visual image? :laugh:

I think B/B's way of describing it was quite effective: buttf***ed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 05:09:09 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 11, 2016, 05:06:14 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 11, 2016, 05:03:11 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 11, 2016, 05:00:51 AM
Waking up finally.

Andrew already posted that. sorry, I can't stand the prick.
Did he? Missed that. First time I've seen him and yes, he is pretty obnoxious. He's right, though.

agreed.

this ghetto guy said it pretty well also.

https://twitter.com/IAMKRIS24/status/796259113776873472

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 05:29:34 AM

Is the telegraph a UK based newspaper? this journo will soon be looking for new job.

http://truthfeed.com/telegraph-journalist-calls-for-the-assassination-of-donald-trump-the-deletes-her-twitter-account/34985/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 05:33:38 AM

Meanwhile the spoiled children of America who got a trophy for losing are now destroying some cities.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/11/11/anti-trump-protesters-pepper-sprayed-demonstrations-erupt-across-us/93633154/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/politics/election-results-reaction-streets/index.html

and more evidence that Soros is behind this mess.

https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU8/status/796556660290580482

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 11, 2016, 06:15:41 AM

USA is now seeing the effects of Color Revolution come home. I have a suspicion that this is, as confederate suggests, an organised movement set up in advance, ready to be implemented. If right, this will not die down and is clearly more violent than the Koch inspired Occupy movement.

I wonder what the going rate is for an organiser or a daily activist for these actions?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 11, 2016, 08:25:23 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 10, 2016, 09:12:03 PM

Look at the map carefully. The gray areas are normal people who like themselves and the blue areas are weirdos who prefer to have open borders and commit suicide via self destruction. Notice that the gray areas are much larger than the tiny pockets of weirdos. The gray areas also have all the guns. Next time you want to vote for a candidate who is hell-bent on destroying our fair Republic think about that. Also think about the fact that the gray areas produce all the food. Have a nice day.

You have no clue what I was referring to.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 11, 2016, 11:21:40 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 11, 2016, 06:15:41 AM

USA is now seeing the effects of Color Revolution come home. I have a suspicion that this is, as confederate suggests, an organised movement set up in advance, ready to be implemented. If right, this will not die down and is clearly more violent than the Koch inspired Occupy movement.

I wonder what the going rate is for an organiser or a daily activist for these actions?

This was disclosed prior to the election by a series of videos from "Project Veritas" https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEE8w-v6Gg4j3ze3oX-urEw/videos . I think Zulema is found in either Rigging the Election Part I , or Part II .

Since election spending must be disclosed, payrolls are also disclosed.

See for instance:

https://beta.fec.gov/data/disbursements/?two_year_transaction_period=2016&recipient_name=ZULEMA+RODRIGUEZ&min_date=01%2F01%2F2015&max_date=12%2F31%2F2016

She was hired by various Democrat-oriented groups. Apparently as an organizer and later manager she got paid a lot more.

She took credit for the Chicago riots, which resulted in Trump canceling his planned appearance (in which 2 police officers were wounded, other people were also wounded and there was some property destruction):

http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/18/activist-who-took-credit-for-violent-chicago-protests-was-on-hillarys-payroll/

The base rate for a rent-a-body seems to be between $15 and $25 per hour, of the "stand here, hold this sign, repeat the slogans" type. Of course this might only be for 4 hours each weekend, so it can hardly be a regular job; then again, it is tax-free money (you can pay someone up to $599 USD per year without having to file any government forms or track anything; and these campaigns pay cash).

The rate for someone who has undergone training is more: apparently a day or whole-weekend rate is about $1100. Plus a phone and if you get arrested, the campaign pays for your lawyer also.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 11:39:31 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 11, 2016, 08:25:23 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 10, 2016, 09:12:03 PM
Look at the map carefully. The gray areas are normal people who like themselves and the blue areas are weirdos who prefer to have open borders and commit suicide via self destruction. Notice that the gray areas are much larger than the tiny pockets of weirdos. The gray areas also have all the guns. Next time you want to vote for a candidate who is hell-bent on destroying our fair Republic think about that. Also think about the fact that the gray areas produce all the food. Have a nice day.

You have no clue what I was referring to.

Either way your opinion is discredited for me. Here, this might help you.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/medical_examiner/2016/11/the_five_stages_of_grief_aren_t_real_but_trump_anxiety_is.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 11:44:15 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 11, 2016, 06:15:41 AM

USA is now seeing the effects of Color Revolution come home. I have a suspicion that this is, as confederate suggests, an organised movement set up in advance, ready to be implemented. If right, this will not die down and is clearly more violent than the Koch inspired Occupy movement.

I wonder what the going rate is for an organiser or a daily activist for these actions?

As the other fellow just mentioned the base rate seems to be $15 an hour for which I've seen advertisements on Craig's List website.

I suspect you may be referring to the "Arab spring" which was likely organized by Hillary and our wonderful CIA? Whatever the case may be I personally am embarrassed by the actions of my government, now that I have seen and witnessed these actions first hand in our Presidential election process.

I don't know what it will take to put these actions to rest but I hope Trump will succeed in doing so. Our "intelligence" community should only be doing just that and not activating revolutions.

In regards to our own problems the culprit mostly seems to be the outside agitator Soros and his cronies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 11, 2016, 12:25:46 PM

The 'Color Revolutions' were/are a package, kinda like a franchise where a common package of training, infiltration, money and even artwork for graphics and logos is provided by US funded NGOs and 'philanthropists' such as Soros. The goal is to replace a government that the US does not have control over with one that is much more compliant to US desires.

These uprisings came to be called 'color revolutions' because the first was called the Orange Revolution and took place in Ukraine and was followed by the Rose Revolution in Georgia and, yes the Arab Spring uprisings were a part of that franchise.

It would seem that the Russians have figured out how to neutralise these activities and have been providing support to neighbouring states to immunise against them and to nip them in the bud when they do break out.

From the outside it certainly seems that what is happening in the US is similar, but not identical, to the Color Revolution format. I have not yet seen banners or fliers - I have not been looking, but there are usually common graphical elements carried across from one uprising to the next, probably as a result of the common source of organisation, training and resources.

The thing that I don't quite 'get' is that the purpose of these uprisings is to change the government. Well, in this case the government is due to change in January but the claimed objection is the Republican incoming regime. This makes me wonder if the goal is not government change so much as government stasis, that is, no change.

If this dies down after the weekend I will assume it was a tempest in a teapot, albeit externally funded and pre-planned. If it continues then we will see some clear demands from a central committee, The demands will, of course be totally impractical. At that point we will know that we are seeing a longer term, genuine, if evil and externally agitated, action. And NO, it won't be the Russians!

This book description CLICK HERE! (http://back.ly/8Bxp) outlines what goes on with these 'revolutions' but given its publishing date, 2013, does not cover the Arab Spring, Ukraine, Hong Kong and Kyrgyzstan. Nor will it therefore cover the strategies that now exist to inoculate against and prevent these activities.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 11, 2016, 12:59:06 PM

Somebody has been doing some sleuthing in Austin: CLICK HERE! (http://back.ly/9LnW)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 11, 2016, 01:20:43 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 11, 2016, 12:59:06 PM

Somebody has been doing some sleuthing in Austin: CLICK HERE! (http://back.ly/9LnW)

Wait till Trump gets in. He'll send his investigators from the FBI and find out who is funding this. If the protesters violate the terms of the 'Riot Act' then Trump can arrest Soros or whoever and let the fun begin. We sure are heading into interesting times! Thanks Andrew for the link.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 11, 2016, 01:38:40 PM

Haven't read all the posts today so excuse me if this was already posted.
This must really have gotten to soros, He had big plans with Hillary as president.

Less Than a Day Into Trump’s Epic Victory, Soros Already Caught Orchestrating Chaos

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/less-day-trumps-epic-victory-soros-already-caught-orchestrating-chaos/ri17529

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 01:39:33 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 11, 2016, 12:59:06 PM

Somebody has been doing some sleuthing in Austin: CLICK HERE! (http://back.ly/9LnW)

I had already seen that link, and no, not surprised. I agree with Maxx that Trump is not only going to clean house in WA DC, he will hopefully also have enough evidence to stop Soros cold in his tracks. Concerning the "riot act" I haven't read it either but suspect that Soros paying 33 Million to fund the riots in Ferguson, MO may result in an International arrest warrant for the turd if Trump gets his way.

I have not read this yet but it looks very interesting.

http://sorosfiles.com/soros/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/sorosPPP.pdf

this particular tweeter is very fruitful in getting to the bottom of things.

https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU8/status/796556660290580482

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 11, 2016, 01:48:18 PM

The Riot Act has in it if an organizer plans a riot and has his rioters cross a State line it is a felony.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 01:50:36 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 11, 2016, 01:48:18 PM

The Riot Act has in it if an organizer plans a riot and has his rioters cross a State line it is a felony.

Well let's prosecute that turd Al Sharpton for starters. He also needs to be in prison for not paying his taxes. I suspect these rioters are going to have something to riot about once Trump gets into office. Not that he is going to tolerate it for long. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 01:54:28 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 11, 2016, 01:20:43 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 11, 2016, 12:59:06 PM
Somebody has been doing some sleuthing in Austin: CLICK HERE! (http://back.ly/9LnW)

Wait till Trump gets in. He'll send his investigators from the FBI and find out who is funding this. If the protesters violate the terms of the 'Riot Act' then Trump can arrest Soros or whoever and let the fun begin. We sure are heading into interesting times! Thanks Andrew for the link.

Thanks Maxx for the info regarding the riot act. Who knew that an American president would actively encourage this type of activity? Or if you prefer, simply do nothing to stop it? Here is a link you may like.

http://www.independentsentinel.com/unmasking-the-baltimore-police-protests-the-most-dangerous-people-in-america/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 11, 2016, 01:56:51 PM

I have theory. Tell me what you think. I think until Trump takes office he is going to seem to have gone soft with all the scoundrels. But I think he'll do it for two reasons. First not to rile his opposition too much until he takes office. The second reason is his hope that his lesser opposition (RINO Republicans) will go along with his reforms. He will ride this for as long as it is useful. When they start getting in his way and reversing the progress he'll use the information from his investigative agencies. I heard the FBI is called "Trumplandia."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 11, 2016, 01:58:51 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 11, 2016, 01:50:36 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 11, 2016, 01:48:18 PM

The Riot Act has in it if an organizer plans a riot and has his rioters cross a State line it is a felony.

Well let's prosecute that turd Al Sharpton for starters. He also needs to be in prison for not paying his taxes. I suspect these rioters are going to have something to riot about once Trump gets into office. Not that he is going to tolerate it for long. :coffeeread:

That is what talk show host Michael Savage said.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 02:03:46 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 11, 2016, 01:58:51 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 11, 2016, 01:50:36 PM
Quote from: Maxx on November 11, 2016, 01:48:18 PM

The Riot Act has in it if an organizer plans a riot and has his rioters cross a State line it is a felony.

Well let's prosecute that turd Al Sharpton for starters. He also needs to be in prison for not paying his taxes. I suspect these rioters are going to have something to riot about once Trump gets into office. Not that he is going to tolerate it for long. :coffeeread:

That is what talk show host Michael Savage said.

And although I don't think Trump should have active hands on this for political reasons, I won't be upset if Trey Gowdy, Jason Chaffetz and the FBI achieve what's in the photo. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 02:05:19 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 11, 2016, 01:56:51 PM

I have theory. Tell me what you think. I think until Trump takes office he is going to seem to have gone soft with all the scoundrels. But I think he'll do it for two reasons. First not to rile his opposition too much until he takes office. The second reason is his hope that his lesser opposition (RINO Republicans) will go along with his reforms. He will ride this for as long as it is useful. When they start getting in his way and reversing the progress he'll use the information from his investigative agencies. I heard the FBI is called "Trumplandia."

I like it! Yes, rumours are that rank and file FBI types despise Obama but love Trump. :-X

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 11, 2016, 02:07:45 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 02:18:58 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
Why do all the lefties call Trump a racialist ?? Whats the deal there then?

If you ask me one the last few years all of these liberals tossers have made the Western world just like big brother including the "Thought police"

For example one mention of the word "Muslim" this happens.. the very second you get as far as the letter "M" coming out of your mouth and you are immediately labelled a "racialist" :chuckle:
Maybe you wanted to just criticise some muslim tradition or something along those lines... but noooooooo your immediately labelled a racist!
Its at the stage that most common folk are just petrified to say or criticise any other religion or people JUST incase they get labelled a racialist ..

You see very few normal people making any comments with anything to do with coloureds, Muslims, Africans or any other today JUST incase the lefties label them a racialist. I mean who wants a bloody racialist as a friend?

Terrible really !!

I thought it was a free world with free speech.. not anymore! Your not even allowed to think today..

:'(
Where've you been? In hibernation? This conditioning has been going on for decades. Starts in primary school with preaching from the teachers with their leftylib ideology. :dh:

Here is another typical example!

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/apprentice-candidate-accused-of-horrendous-165934622.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 02:12:44 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 11, 2016, 02:07:45 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 02:18:58 PM
Quote from: Steveboy on November 09, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
Why do all the lefties call Trump a racialist ?? Whats the deal there then?

If you ask me one the last few years all of these liberals tossers have made the Western world just like big brother including the "Thought police"

For example one mention of the word "Muslim" this happens.. the very second you get as far as the letter "M" coming out of your mouth and you are immediately labelled a "racialist" :chuckle:
Maybe you wanted to just criticise some muslim tradition or something along those lines... but noooooooo your immediately labelled a racist!
Its at the stage that most common folk are just petrified to say or criticise any other religion or people JUST incase they get labelled a racialist ..

You see very few normal people making any comments with anything to do with coloureds, Muslims, Africans or any other today JUST incase the lefties label them a racialist. I mean who wants a bloody racialist as a friend?

Terrible really !!

I thought it was a free world with free speech.. not anymore! Your not even allowed to think today..

:'(
Where've you been? In hibernation? This conditioning has been going on for decades. Starts in primary school with preaching from the teachers with their leftylib ideology. :dh:

Here is another typical example!

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/apprentice-candidate-accused-of-horrendous-165934622.html

Eventually when white people are sufficiently in the minority we can claim racism and demand quota's. Then we'll all really be equal again. tiphat :king:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 02:20:50 PM

You usually don't here this from the main street media. But I think they realize there's a new Sheriff in town and if they don't change they risk going out of business.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/us/politics/the-women-who-helped-donald-trump-to-victory.html?_r=0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 02:33:01 PM

Wall Street Journal article on us "Deplorables". Is that how you feel about us Tom? :ROFL:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/deplorables-rise-up-to-reshape-america-1478678037?mod=e2tw

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 11, 2016, 02:33:23 PM

What's the first thing he should do when he sits behind his desk in the Oval Office?

Personally, I think his first act should be to repudiate the Paris Accord on Climate Change, withdraw from the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change and the financial contributions such membership requires and put the 83,000 coal miners back to work and reopen 400 coal mines closed due to EPA regulations endorsed by The Obama Administration. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs! Make America Great Again!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 11, 2016, 02:35:35 PM

This cracks me up . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 11, 2016, 02:38:35 PM

I don't think you should withdraw from those climate things, there one of the few things done to prevent more probs with the weather.

I think the first thing Trump should do , revoke any and all military support to "moderate" terrorists. (as there are no moderates, there's terrorists and nothing more.).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 11, 2016, 02:42:11 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 11, 2016, 02:38:35 PM

I don't think you should withdraw from those climate things, there one of the few things done to prevent more probs with the weather.

There is no "global warming" or "climate change". Its a progressive minded myth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 02:42:44 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 11, 2016, 02:33:23 PM

What's the first thing he should do when he sits behind his desk in the Oval Office?

Personally, I think his first act should be to repudiate the Paris Accord on Climate Change, withdraw from the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change and the financial contributions such membership requires and put the 83,000 coal miners back to work and reopen 400 coal mines closed due to EPA regulations endorsed by The Obama Administration. Jobs, Jobs, Jobs! Make America Great Again!

my top 3

1. Build the Keystone pipeline.
2. Repeal Obama care.
3. Tax cuts for the middle class.

your choice would easily make it into the top 10

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 02:44:34 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 11, 2016, 02:38:35 PM

I don't think you should withdraw from those climate things, there one of the few things done to prevent more probs with the weather.

I think the first thing Trump should do , revoke any and all military support to "moderate" terrorists. (as there are no moderates, there's terrorists and nothing more.).

I agree w/ Shakespeare climate change is mostly a "progressive" myth.

Trump must be very careful in extricating the USA from the middle east lest he end up a target himself.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 02:45:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 11, 2016, 02:42:11 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 11, 2016, 02:38:35 PM
I don't think you should withdraw from those climate things, there one of the few things done to prevent more probs with the weather.

There is no "global warming" or "climate change". Its a progressive minded myth.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 05:10:23 PM

Would anyone who owns a business want to hire one of these spoiled rotten children?

http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/10/colleges-cancelled-exams-for-students-tr

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 11, 2016, 05:11:28 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 01:09:16 AM

Quote from: leslied on November 09, 2016, 01:05:37 AM
I am watching Donald's acceptance speech.

He has won !!! :thumbsup:

This forum called it right again ;D
The RUA demographic got it right. Some people have egg on their faces.

I'm reading your words but I can't imagine WTF you are thinking.

The RUA demographic predicted that Hillary would lose by 66 friggin' points but won the popular vote by half of one percent.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 05:19:31 PM

Fired.

http://truthfeed.com/telegraph-journalist-who-called-for-trumps-assassination-has-been-fired/35188/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 05:22:45 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 11, 2016, 05:11:28 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 01:09:16 AM
Quote from: leslied on November 09, 2016, 01:05:37 AM
I am watching Donald's acceptance speech.

He has won !!! :thumbsup:

This forum called it right again ;D
The RUA demographic got it right. Some people have egg on their faces.

I'm reading your words but I can't imagine WTF you are thinking.

The RUA demographic predicted that Hillary would lose by 66 friggin' points but won the popular vote by half of one percent.

I can't imagine why you're still fighting this. You were arrogant the whole time, your "polls" were proven wrong and now your're grieving. Denial is one of the stages, so is anger and so is bargaining. You expressed some anger, now you're attempting to bargain. As if your silly complaints matter. Clean the egg off your face and move on. :laugh:

http://psychcentral.com/lib/the-5-stages-of-loss-and-grief/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 06:06:48 PM

The Secret Service is happy! :chuckle:

https://twitter.com/streetbear57/status/797170436903727104

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2016, 07:49:43 PM

LOL! This is probably the best meme yet so far this year. :laugh:

https://twitter.com/fige1000/status/797246749782011904

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 12, 2016, 12:01:29 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 11, 2016, 05:19:31 PM

Fired.

http://truthfeed.com/telegraph-journalist-who-called-for-trumps-assassination-has-been-fired/35188/

What I want to know is how this asshat was working at the Tory-graph in the first place.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 12, 2016, 01:25:31 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 11, 2016, 02:42:11 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 11, 2016, 02:38:35 PM
I don't think you should withdraw from those climate things, there one of the few things done to prevent more probs with the weather.

There is no "global warming" or "climate change". Its a progressive minded myth.

Then how come, i haven't been able to go ice-skating on natural ice here in Netherlands for the last 15 years, whilst before I could do it any winter in Any year.

Also, the warm-record of most months are being broken every year , this decade.

No, its a myth man, that means nothing.

Or how come, that we now have an ice-free route along the north pole, which before was impossible.

Or how come that the Transatlantic stream which pushes warm water around in the Atlantic has decreased strength over 50% in the last 20 years....

I could go on, but climate-change is a fact of life, global warming is real.

The only question is, is it man-made or natural

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 12, 2016, 01:36:30 AM

Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2016, 01:42:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2016, 12:11:24 PM
Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2016, 10:07:27 AM
The American farmer would be far better off, if they could buy seeds for normal prices without the GMO-tag. Non-GMO food isn't paid premium, its paid less. Thats why its bad for Europe. We don't want GMO food inflating our prices because it is forced down our throats.

Markje, with all due respect you couldn't be more wrong.

The use of glyphosate products like Roundup reduces weed pressure from water use, soil nutrient use and weed seed production. It increased yield per acre by between 15-30% verses non-GMO varieties depending on the crop. I know that here in the Midwest USA where the crops are grown, if a export customer insists on non-GMO products, the farmer gets paid a premium of $0.25 per bushel for corn and between $1.00-$2.00 per bushel for soybeans. The grain company makes additional margin for keeping the products separate and guaranteeing the purity of product integrity.

Here in the USA agricultural products that meet the legal requirements to be labeled "organic" cost twice as much as agricultural products produced with conventional means. GMO products are the highest yielding and lowest cost products on the market. There is ZERO documented health hazard for consuming them.
Why would you need weed-killing and other properties, if you do not have weeds in the first place.

Perhaps in the USA it works like that, but in Europe it doesn't. There are only a few strong weeds here, but nothing that kills off corn or grain.

As for pricing, perhaps this indian piece opens your eyes.
What good is a higher yield, when the seeds are priced like gold bullion.

http://vandanashiva.com/?p=402

Quote from: vandanashiva.com
Since Monsanto’s entry into India in 1998, the price of cotton seeds has increased by almost 80,000% (from ₹5 – ₹9/KG to ₹ 1600 for 450 gms). 300,000 Indian farmers have committed suicide, trapped in vicious cycles of debt and crop failures, 84% of these suicides are attributed directly to Monsanto’s Bt cotton.

So whats good for USA, is definately not always good for other continents.

Right, just today I heard a new one on GMO, which is basicly so bad that it reinforces the idea that GMO is bad.

GMO'd soybeans are made by Montsanto that are resistent to a certain weedkiller, that Monsanto also make.

So now all farmers are forced to switch so these Soybeans, or risk loosing their crops to their neighbours weedkillers.

Sadly enough, the PEACH farmers are up in arms about this, because their trees also don't survive this weedkiller.

Monsanto must be laughing their arse off, their weedkiller increases the size of their soybeans market, because its killing off the non-GMO food.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 12, 2016, 01:53:34 AM

If we assume that climate is changing, and that's a safe assumption, then whether this is natural or man made is irrelevant because the trend, unchecked, leads rapidly to the demise of mankind.

On that basis we should do what we can to reduce the effects.

There's another sound argument too: by reducing waste in all forms we create more efficient systems. We reduce energy and other inputs per unit output which reduces the cost of manufacture.

Firms that seek out efficiency improvement tend to do better than those which do not. However, in the short term the less efficient manufacturer using older, already amortised, capital equipment can have a cost advantage over a newly updated firm. This provides a motivation for entrenched businesses to seek regulatory impediment to newer businesses and those which seek to modernise.

In part, I believe that this is a process being encouraged by the owners of outdated plants in the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 12, 2016, 02:00:56 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 11, 2016, 05:11:28 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 01:09:16 AM
Quote from: leslied on November 09, 2016, 01:05:37 AM
I am watching Donald's acceptance speech.

He has won !!! :thumbsup:

This forum called it right again ;D
The RUA demographic got it right. Some people have egg on their faces.

I'm reading your words but I can't imagine WTF you are thinking.

The RUA demographic predicted that Hillary would lose by 66 friggin' points but won the popular vote by half of one percent.

Then read my friggin words.

Donald Trump WON. That clear enough for you?
It's about time you gave up the good fight.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on November 12, 2016, 03:22:52 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 11, 2016, 05:11:28 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 09, 2016, 01:09:16 AM
Quote from: leslied on November 09, 2016, 01:05:37 AM
I am watching Donald's acceptance speech.

He has won !!! :thumbsup:

This forum called it right again ;D
The RUA demographic got it right. Some people have egg on their faces.

I'm reading your words but I can't imagine WTF you are thinking.

The RUA demographic predicted that Hillary would lose by 66 friggin' points but won the popular vote by half of one percent.

Really TomT you sound like an academic splitting hairs...

In the Brexit poll The RUA margin was 55.6% the actual referendum margin was 3.9%

For the POTUS vote the RUA margin was 66% and in electoral college terms the vote went 290 Trump 228 Clinton (USA Today figures) - way smaller.

The popular vote measure is irrelevant. You need to change the constitution to move to that poll basis. We both know that will never happen.

The simple fact is that the "old farts" who make up the majority of the voters on RUA called both polls correctly.

Stop acting like a millennial snowflake TomT :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 12, 2016, 03:47:02 AM

Tom's just trollin'!

He voted for Trump same as the rest o' yez owd fellas!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 12, 2016, 07:08:49 AM

The Incredible Last Minute Trump Advert
That Exposed the Corrupt Globalist Elite

On the 8th Nov 2016 Donald Trump beat against all the odds and was e elected the 45th president of the United States. Now all the media, pollsters and political experts are trying to find out how he did it. All the MSM were supporting Hillary and were deliberately lying despite they knew had massive popular support.

That is how he did it:

With only 2 days remaining before the election, Trump released an advert, which pulled no punches on the globalist elite and directly set out to the American people what was at stake.

Pay attention to these two highlights from his speech.

"This movement is about replacing a failed, and corrupt, political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American people."

As far as I know, Americans never use the term "new government" to refer to a democratic change of power, they use the term "new administration." I was told from a friend, that for the Americans, "new government" means an entirely new political system, it means revolution. I expect the choice of words by Trump were not accidental. Our American friends can verify the above if it is true or not.

"It's a global power structure, that is responsible for the economic decisions, that have robbed the working class, stripped our country of its wealth, and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities."

Trump stressed the nefarious criminal activities and placed emphasis on the word "entities" and there are plenty of such nefarious entities operating in the world. Additionally he made it clear that US policy is not actually controlled by Americans. It is controlled by a global elite for their own interests. The United States and its economic and military predominance, is merely the biggest tool in the toolbox for achieving their aims.

Throughout the advert, images of the Clinton's, the Federal Reserve System, Wall Street, Fed Chairwoman Janet Yellen, billionaire and social engineer George Soros, the Chairman of Goldman Sachs, Lloyd Blankfein and other powerful elites, were shown (though not explicitly named).

To the many people who have been aware of these issues for years, it was exhilarating vindication. For those not yet aware, Trump's words must have been inspiring and awakening nonetheless.

That is, in my view the reasons, why Trump beat all the odds and was elected President of the USA. We have o wait and see if he meant it!

Finally, can the American friends tell us who instigates all these demonstrations against the New president? ... My guess is the MSM that supported Hillary and got it wrong.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 12, 2016, 08:49:18 AM

I figure that George Soros has 100 days or less until Trump has him rounded up and charged with a Felony for violating the Riot Act. At least this is my hope. Less than 70 days right not until he gets sworn in as the 45th President of the USA.

President Trump! Man that sounds great.

1) Border security. I figure on the first day he'll be having ICE and the FBI rounding up major felons and shipping back to Mexico or whatever Central American shi$hole they come from.

2) Coal and Pipeline. Build it and mine it!

3) Tax relief.

4) Change banking regulations. Suddenly overnight banks will be loaning to small biz again. Prosperity!

5) Repeal and replace Obama care. Dr. Ben Carson will be a major contributor to the work on this.

They say Pence will be a very important and powerful VP. He took over for Chris Christie as transition team leader.

Mike Pence, the power behind the throne?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/438093/power-behind-throne-ignored-importance-mike-pence

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 12, 2016, 08:55:49 AM

Quote from: Wiz on November 12, 2016, 07:08:49 AM

The Incredible Last Minute Trump Advert
That Exposed the Corrupt Globalist Elite

On the 8th Nov 2016 Donald Trump beat against all the odds and was e elected the 45th president of the United States. Now all the media, pollsters and political experts are trying to find out how he did it. All the MSM were supporting Hillary and were deliberately lying despite they knew had massive popular support.

That is how he did it:

With only 2 days remaining before the election, Trump released an advert, which pulled no punches on the globalist elite and directly set out to the American people what was at stake.

Pay attention to these two highlights from his speech.

"This movement is about replacing a failed, and corrupt, political establishment with a new government controlled by you, the American people."

As far as I know, Americans never use the term "new government" to refer to a democratic change of power, they use the term "new administration." I was told from a friend, that for the Americans, "new government" means an entirely new political system, it means revolution. I expect the choice of words by Trump were not accidental. Our American friends can verify the above if it is true or not.

"It's a global power structure, that is responsible for the economic decisions, that have robbed the working class, stripped our country of its wealth, and put that money into the pockets of a handful of large corporations and political entities."

Trump stressed the nefarious criminal activities and placed emphasis on the word "entities" and there are plenty of such nefarious entities operating in the world. Additionally he made it clear that US policy is not actually controlled by Americans. It is controlled by a global elite for their own interests. The United States and its economic and military predominance, is merely the biggest tool in the toolbox for achieving their aims.

Throughout the advert, images of the Clinton's, the Federal Reserve System, Wall Street, Fed Chairwoman Janet Yellen, billionaire and social engineer George Soros, the Chairman of Goldman Sachs, Lloyd Blankfein and other powerful elites, were shown (though not explicitly named).

To the many people who have been aware of these issues for years, it was exhilarating vindication. For those not yet aware, Trump's words must have been inspiring and awakening nonetheless.

That is, in my view the reasons, why Trump beat all the odds and was elected President of the USA. We have o wait and see if he meant it!

Finally, can the American friends tell us who instigates all these demonstrations against the New president? ... My guess is the MSM that supported Hillary and got it wrong.

That was a great video and I can assure you that Trump supporters liked it and enjoyed it. As to your last sentence we know who the culprit is. Soros. If you read up the thread you can see links for adverts on Craig's List. Those ads are paid for by groups funded by Soros. Hopefully he'll be put in prison under a Trump administration.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 12, 2016, 10:54:50 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 11, 2016, 02:42:11 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 11, 2016, 02:38:35 PM
I don't think you should withdraw from those climate things, there one of the few things done to prevent more probs with the weather.

There is no "global warming" or "climate change". Its a progressive minded myth.

Yea because burning off all those toxic gasses are a good thing. I'm not convinced by the most extreme claims but we need to be responsible.

Suggesting we carry on as we are will create problems and technology changes every day. Global warming may be debatable but destroying our eco system is real.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 12, 2016, 10:59:46 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 12, 2016, 01:25:31 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 11, 2016, 02:42:11 PM
Quote from: Markje on November 11, 2016, 02:38:35 PM
I don't think you should withdraw from those climate things, there one of the few things done to prevent more probs with the weather.

There is no "global warming" or "climate change". Its a progressive minded myth.
Then how come, i haven't been able to go ice-skating on natural ice here in Netherlands for the last 15 years, whilst before I could do it any winter in Any year.

Also, the warm-record of most months are being broken every year , this decade.

No, its a myth man, that means nothing.

Or how come, that we now have an ice-free route along the north pole, which before was impossible.

Or how come that the Transatlantic stream which pushes warm water around in the Atlantic has decreased strength over 50% in the last 20 years....

I could go on, but climate-change is a fact of life, global warming is real.

The only question is, is it man-made or natural

I generally believe in the going in or out if an ice age cycle thing but watching how man kind behaves when it comes to responsible eco management makes me mad.

There's no excuse for dumping stuff in oceans like it's just going to disappear with no knock on effect. That mentalities Stone Age, knuckle dragging stuff .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 12, 2016, 11:10:27 AM

Great post Wiz.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 12, 2016, 11:59:21 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 12, 2016, 01:53:34 AM

If we assume that climate is changing, and that's a safe assumption, then whether this is natural or man made is irrelevant because the trend, unchecked, leads rapidly to the demise of mankind.

On that basis we should do what we can to reduce the effects.

There's another sound argument too: by reducing waste in all forms we create more efficient systems. We reduce energy and other inputs per unit output which reduces the cost of manufacture.

Firms that seek out efficiency improvement tend to do better than those which do not. However, in the short term the less efficient manufacturer using older, already amortised, capital equipment can have a cost advantage over a newly updated firm. This provides a motivation for entrenched businesses to seek regulatory impediment to newer businesses and those which seek to modernise.

In part, I believe that this is a process being encouraged by the owners of outdated plants in the USA.

Or in China or the Donbas region?

In reality although Trump has stated he plans to reinvigorate the coal industry in the USA it is more likely that our plants are more green than in various areas around the World.

Wind, Solar etc. is a good idea but must be balanced with traditional forms of energy that still work at an effective price.

https://twitter.com/JaredWyand/status/797493916958392320

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 12, 2016, 12:29:34 PM

I'm going to keep posting about the illegal activities of the DNC and Hillary Clinton as exposed by project Veritas. It's not enough to win the Presidency and Congress, Republicans and Libertarians must remain vigilant against the abuses of the Democrats and their sponsor Soros.

http://projectpurge.com/article/project-veritas-video-iii-if-it-looks-like-a-duck-its-hillary-clinton-breaking-the-law-again/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 12, 2016, 12:58:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 11, 2016, 05:33:38 AM

Meanwhile the spoiled children of America who got a trophy for losing are now destroying some cities.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/11/11/anti-trump-protesters-pepper-sprayed-demonstrations-erupt-across-us/93633154/

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/politics/election-results-reaction-streets/index.html

and more evidence that Soros is behind this mess.

https://twitter.com/WDFx2EU8/status/796556660290580482

More riots expected today. What a surprise.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/anti-trump-protests-continue-3rd-night-portland-experiences/story?id=43479936

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 12, 2016, 01:11:41 PM

What we see taking place is no difference than what George Soros and company have been doing all over the world.

Ukraine, is a good example of Soros funding protests to undermine the legitimate president voted in by the majority.

Trump hopefully will round up the whole lot, and throw them all in prison.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 12, 2016, 01:20:02 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 12, 2016, 01:11:41 PM

What we see taking place is no difference than what George Soros and company have been doing all over the world.

Ukraine, is a good example of Soros funding protests to undermine the legitimate president voted in by the majority.

Trump hopefully will round up the whole lot, and throw them all in prison.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 12, 2016, 02:12:48 PM

This map is not a joke, it is the real deal. When Trump talked about security, having a border and putting a hold on Muslim immigrants, you can see why the Republicans and blue dog Democrats took him seriously. Red areas are Republican areas which have the lowest crime rates, Blue areas are Democrap "liberal" areas which have the highest crime rates. Enjoy!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 12, 2016, 03:12:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 12, 2016, 02:12:48 PM

This map is not a joke, it is the real deal. When Trump talked about security, having a border and putting a hold on Muslim immigrants, you can see why the Republicans and blue dog Democrats took him seriously. Red areas are Republican areas which have the lowest crime rates, Blue areas are Democrap "liberal" areas which have the highest crime rates. Enjoy!

And I and TomT thought is was all the lowlife poor ass Trump supporters causing all the crime in America. :fighting0025:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 12, 2016, 03:42:50 PM

There's quite a bit on wikileaks and soros funding the protests.
Soros should be held accountable for all damage caused, and ordered to pay.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 12, 2016, 04:42:07 PM

Hillary blames Comey for her defeat, but I put the blame squarely on her.
Had she been forthcoming with everything from the beginning the whole episode would have been over. Deleting thousands of emails gave cause to question her guilty behavior.
TomT thought the Comey announcement once again would secure the win for Hillary, but I believe it sealed Hillary's fate. When the average American sees someone being above the law, this leaves an awful taste in one's mouth.
It was at the moment Comey said there's nothing more, he handed Trump the presidency.
Clinton never should have done what she did, so to blame comey shows she thinks jeopardizing the security of the United states was no big deal.

Hillary Clinton Blames F.B.I. Director for Election Loss

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/us/politics/hillary-clinton-james-comey.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 12, 2016, 06:15:30 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 12, 2016, 03:12:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 12, 2016, 02:12:48 PM
This map is not a joke, it is the real deal. When Trump talked about security, having a border and putting a hold on Muslim immigrants, you can see why the Republicans and blue dog Democrats took him seriously. Red areas are Republican areas which have the lowest crime rates, Blue areas are Democrap "liberal" areas which have the highest crime rates. Enjoy!

And I and TomT thought is was all the lowlife poor ass Trump supporters causing all the crime in America. :fighting0025:

Here's a map for Tom and company. I don't think this includes you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 12, 2016, 06:18:47 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 12, 2016, 04:42:07 PM

Hillary blames Comey for her defeat, but I put the blame squarely on her.
Had she been forthcoming with everything from the beginning the whole episode would have been over. Deleting thousands of emails gave cause to question her guilty behavior.
TomT thought the Comey announcement once again would secure the win for Hillary, but I believe it sealed Hillary's fate. When the average American sees someone being above the law, this leaves an awful taste in one's mouth.
It was at the moment Comey said there's nothing more, he handed Trump the presidency.
Clinton never should have done what she did, so to blame comey shows she thinks jeopardizing the security of the United states was no big deal.

Hillary Clinton Blames F.B.I. Director for Election Loss

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/13/us/politics/hillary-clinton-james-comey.html

The Clinton's have spent their entire lives blaming others for their crimes. Their chickens finally came home to roost.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 12, 2016, 08:41:06 PM

Would Hussein O. feed Police Officers protecting citizens from rioters? Nope. But Trump does, because he cares about the people protecting us.

http://truthfeed.com/breaking-video-trump-is-providing-police-officers-at-trump-protests-with-dinner/35361/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 12, 2016, 09:57:34 PM

Quote from: leslied on November 12, 2016, 03:22:52 AM

For the POTUS vote the RUA margin was 66% and in electoral college terms the vote went 290 Trump 228 Clinton (USA Today figures) - way smaller.

The popular vote measure is irrelevant. You need to change the constitution to move to that poll basis. We both know that will never happen.

If you read the poll question again; you will note that it didn't ask about electoral college results.

p.s. "Millennial snowflake." :prophead:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2016, 12:26:16 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 12, 2016, 09:57:34 PM

Quote from: leslied on November 12, 2016, 03:22:52 AM
For the POTUS vote the RUA margin was 66% and in electoral college terms the vote went 290 Trump 228 Clinton (USA Today figures) - way smaller.

The popular vote measure is irrelevant. You need to change the constitution to move to that poll basis. We both know that will never happen.

If you read the poll question again; you will note that it didn't ask about electoral college results.

p.s. "Millennial snowflake." :prophead:

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 13, 2016, 02:26:33 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 12, 2016, 09:57:34 PM

Quote from: leslied on November 12, 2016, 03:22:52 AM
For the POTUS vote the RUA margin was 66% and in electoral college terms the vote went 290 Trump 228 Clinton (USA Today figures) - way smaller.

The popular vote measure is irrelevant. You need to change the constitution to move to that poll basis. We both know that will never happen.

If you read the poll question again; you will note that it didn't ask about electoral college results.

p.s. "Millennial snowflake." :prophead:

I seem to remember the polls were telling us that Hillary pretty much had it in the bag with the electoral college votes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 13, 2016, 03:55:33 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 12, 2016, 09:57:34 PM

Quote from: leslied on November 12, 2016, 03:22:52 AM
For the POTUS vote the RUA margin was 66% and in electoral college terms the vote went 290 Trump 228 Clinton (USA Today figures) - way smaller.

The popular vote measure is irrelevant. You need to change the constitution to move to that poll basis. We both know that will never happen.

If you read the poll question again; you will note that it didn't ask about electoral college results.

p.s. "Millennial snowflake." :prophead:

The question is : Who do you vote to be the next POTUS?

So RUA called it correctly, Trump won.

I would say its time for the whiners to stop whining, Republicans didn't riot in the street when Obama won.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2016, 08:57:38 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 13, 2016, 03:55:33 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 12, 2016, 09:57:34 PM
Quote from: leslied on November 12, 2016, 03:22:52 AM
For the POTUS vote the RUA margin was 66% and in electoral college terms the vote went 290 Trump 228 Clinton (USA Today figures) - way smaller.

The popular vote measure is irrelevant. You need to change the constitution to move to that poll basis. We both know that will never happen.

If you read the poll question again; you will note that it didn't ask about electoral college results.

p.s. "Millennial snowflake." :prophead:
The question is : Who do you vote to be the next POTUS?

So RUA called it correctly, Trump won.

I would say its time for the whiners to stop whining, Republicans didn't riot in the street when Obama won.

:thumbsup:

AFAIK we never have.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2016, 09:55:41 AM

Immediate action on day 1.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-elect-trump-says-how-many-immigrants-hell-deport/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2016, 11:39:06 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 12, 2016, 09:57:34 PM

Quote from: leslied on November 12, 2016, 03:22:52 AM
For the POTUS vote the RUA margin was 66% and in electoral college terms the vote went 290 Trump 228 Clinton (USA Today figures) - way smaller.

The popular vote measure is irrelevant. You need to change the constitution to move to that poll basis. We both know that will never happen.

If you read the poll question again; you will note that it didn't ask about electoral college results.

p.s. "Millennial snowflake." :prophead:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2016, 12:56:04 PM

The Democratic party is clearly responsible for their own demise. Here's the story of one County in Kentucky which has voted Democratic since 1869. That is until this election. It is now firmly in the Republican column.

In interviews Thursday with The Associated Press, Elliott County residents provided clues to the results that handed Trump the presidency: They felt left behind the nation's recovery, disappointed in Obama and infuriated by Clinton's vow to put coal miners "out of business." They like the way Trump talks and they like what they heard him say: That he'll create jobs, and correct what they see as the wrongs of NAFTA and corrupt government. The New York City businessman made the sale with these rural voters who still reject congressional and state Republicans when there are other choices.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-country-what-one-county-tells-us-about-the-election/ar-AAkffmc?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 13, 2016, 01:21:20 PM

This is probably a good move on Trumps part.
Christie has a bit too much excess baggage.

Trump Dumps Christie Over Bridge-gate: 'Stupid Thug Had to Go'

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/758606?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1695923_11132016&s=al&dkt_nbr=t7rp3le2&section=Headline&keywords=trump-dumps-christ-post&year=2016&month=11&date=13&id=758606&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2016, 01:50:14 PM

All these celebrities who never do what they say they're gonna do!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 13, 2016, 02:53:35 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 11, 2016, 02:42:11 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 11, 2016, 02:38:35 PM
I don't think you should withdraw from those climate things, there one of the few things done to prevent more probs with the weather.

There is no "global warming" or "climate change". Its a progressive minded myth.

There is a number that can not be denied. There is more carbon in the air now than has ever been in the air any time during human existent. This carbon is lowering the PH of the ocean as it form carbonic acid in sea water. At some point it will kill most sea life. The planet is getting warmer. Some people are trying to say it is not because of this carbon but I doubt if any body denies the planet is getting warmer. There is a huge amount of money being made on both side of this argument. Getting off carbon was one of the very few points I liked about Hilary's campaign platform.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 13, 2016, 03:28:12 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/president-elect-trumps-choice-for-chief-of-staff-said-to-be-imminent-210448401.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 13, 2016, 03:31:10 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 13, 2016, 02:53:35 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 11, 2016, 02:42:11 PM
Quote from: Markje on November 11, 2016, 02:38:35 PM
I don't think you should withdraw from those climate things, there one of the few things done to prevent more probs with the weather.

There is no "global warming" or "climate change". Its a progressive minded myth.

There is a number that can not be denied. There is more carbon in the air now than has ever been in the air any time during human existent. This carbon is lowering the PH of the ocean as it form carbonic acid in sea water. At some point it will kill most sea life. The planet is getting warmer. Some people are trying to say it is not because of this carbon but I doubt if any body denies the planet is getting warmer. There is a huge amount of money being made on both side of this argument. Getting off carbon was one of the very few points I liked about Hilary's campaign platform.

Check this out Texan:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 13, 2016, 03:59:20 PM

Quote from: leslied on November 12, 2016, 03:22:52 AM

For the POTUS vote the RUA margin was 66% and in electoral college terms the vote went 290 Trump 228 Clinton (USA Today figures) - way smaller.

Expect that to go to 306 to 232 one Michigan and NH officially report.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 13, 2016, 05:48:37 PM

Believe in Climate change, man made or otherwise.

Besides, isn't it rather shameful for the USA, to be BELOW Russia and China in this regard?

That is: Even Russia and China are making less CO2 / Capita than the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 13, 2016, 06:53:58 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 13, 2016, 05:48:37 PM

Believe in Climate change, man made or otherwise.

Besides, isn't it rather shameful for the USA, to be BELOW Russia and China in this regard?

That is: Even Russia and China are making less CO2 / Capita than the USA.

So exactly how is man going to change the temperature of the earth? Carbon credits? Those cost money so who is going to get the money and what for? Mark, it is a scam.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2016, 06:57:00 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 13, 2016, 03:28:12 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/president-elect-trumps-choice-for-chief-of-staff-said-to-be-imminent-210448401.html

Reince Preibus has been announced as Chief of Staff.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2016, 06:58:16 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 13, 2016, 05:48:37 PM

Believe in Climate change, man made or otherwise.

Besides, isn't it rather shameful for the USA, to be BELOW Russia and China in this regard?

That is: Even Russia and China are making less CO2 / Capita than the USA.

China is below us for CO2 emissions? Somebody is manipulating figures, that's for sure.

Wait: I see it is per capita. Well China has over 1 Billion people, so that explains that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2016, 07:15:14 PM

Quote from: B.B. on November 13, 2016, 03:59:20 PM

Quote from: leslied on November 12, 2016, 03:22:52 AM
For the POTUS vote the RUA margin was 66% and in electoral college terms the vote went 290 Trump 228 Clinton (USA Today figures) - way smaller.

Expect that to go to 306 to 232 one Michigan and NH officially report.

B/B

I keep hearing rumours that Trump has also now won the popular vote. Does anyone have final proof of this yet?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2016, 07:27:17 PM

This is truly disgusting. I really hope the perpetrators are caught and rot in prison for this crime.

http://christiantimesnewspaper.com/breaking-protesters-beat-homeless-veteran-to-death-in-philadelphia/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 13, 2016, 07:27:45 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 13, 2016, 06:58:16 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 13, 2016, 05:48:37 PM
Believe in Climate change, man made or otherwise.

Besides, isn't it rather shameful for the USA, to be BELOW Russia and China in this regard?

That is: Even Russia and China are making less CO2 / Capita than the USA.

China is below us for CO2 emissions? Somebody is manipulating figures, that's for sure.

Wait: I see it is per capita. Well China has over 1 Billion people, so that explains that.

Thanks C. I knew something was up with that. I see that in China people are choked by air pollution yet we are to believe they screen off from their smokestacks CO2 what plants breath. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2016, 07:33:56 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 13, 2016, 03:31:10 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 13, 2016, 02:53:35 PM
Quote from: shakespear on November 11, 2016, 02:42:11 PM
Quote from: Markje on November 11, 2016, 02:38:35 PM
I don't think you should withdraw from those climate things, there one of the few things done to prevent more probs with the weather.

There is no "global warming" or "climate change". Its a progressive minded myth.

There is a number that can not be denied. There is more carbon in the air now than has ever been in the air any time during human existent. This carbon is lowering the PH of the ocean as it form carbonic acid in sea water. At some point it will kill most sea life. The planet is getting warmer. Some people are trying to say it is not because of this carbon but I doubt if any body denies the planet is getting warmer. There is a huge amount of money being made on both side of this argument. Getting off carbon was one of the very few points I liked about Hilary's campaign platform.

Check this out Texan:

Thanks Maxx, I've started to watch this and it's fascinating. when they go back 10,000 years they cannot prove that the temperature swings are caused by CO2 emissions. However one thing which is for sure is the political climate makes it such that any good scientist who questions the accepted narrative gets shouted down by the left wing lunatics.

thankfully we've now all got a champion who will fight back against PC dogma and get to bottom of this. meantime we need to drill, mine and build that Keystone pipeline. time's a wasting!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2016, 09:28:37 PM

A response to protesters who say Trump is not their Pres. Chill song: Trump is my President! tiphat

https://twitter.com/bakedalaska/status/796933840086310912 :-*

https://soundcloud.com/iambakedalaska/trump-is-my-president

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 14, 2016, 01:30:56 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 13, 2016, 06:53:58 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 13, 2016, 05:48:37 PM
Believe in Climate change, man made or otherwise.

Besides, isn't it rather shameful for the USA, to be BELOW Russia and China in this regard?

That is: Even Russia and China are making less CO2 / Capita than the USA.

So exactly how is man going to change the temperature of the earth? Carbon credits? Those cost money so who is going to get the money and what for? Mark, it is a scam.

No, we must do away with carbon-credits. All and everyone must comply to the same rules, or it isn't fair.

But the liberal lefties said poor china, must grow so much to keep up with us etc. etc. yaddda. yadda. Thats not fair. They should be doing even more, because of the polution in their own country.

When will we start moving as a global species, instead of fickle countries with their self-interests.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 14, 2016, 03:08:42 AM

This 38 second parody went SUPER VIRAL 86 million views in just a few days!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 14, 2016, 04:42:52 AM

Are you sure about that 86,000,000?Certain it wasn't 86,000?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 14, 2016, 05:32:51 AM

I see the parody at just under a quarter of million views.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 14, 2016, 05:43:02 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 14, 2016, 05:32:51 AM

I see the parody at just under a quarter of million views.

On Youtube maybe

http://www.infowars.com/all-hillary-wanted-for-christmas-was-the-white-house/

"87 million views in 2 days."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2016, 09:40:25 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 14, 2016, 03:08:42 AM

This 38 second parody went SUPER VIRAL 86 million views in just a few days!

I posted a link to that in the "President Trump" feed a few days ago. I first saw it on Twitter so it was somebody's Twitter feed. Hilarious of course! :thumbsup:

This is the orginal John Lewis advertisement which it's based upon. I like the original even better! :)
The foxes and other animals are amazing, not sure how they did that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 14, 2016, 11:00:44 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 14, 2016, 09:40:25 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 14, 2016, 03:08:42 AM
This 38 second parody went SUPER VIRAL 86 million views in just a few days!

I posted a link to that in the "President Trump" feed a few days ago. I first saw it on Twitter so it was somebody's Twitter feed. Hilarious of course! :thumbsup:

This is the orginal John Lewis advertisement which it's based upon. I like the original even better! :)
The foxes and other animals are amazing, not sure how they did that.

Thanks! I see how the other youtube was done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2016, 11:26:50 AM

Mike Rowe the star of Disney Channel's Dirty Jobs explains why Trump won the election. Mike Rowe shows the part of America that the liberal's of the world despise and like to make fun of. And he does it with a wry sense of humor and he insists on no extra takes.

http://www.infowars.com/dirty-jobs-mike-rowe-explains-why-trump-won/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2016, 02:27:09 PM

Have you seen this one, Andrew? Scott Adams on why Trump won.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 14, 2016, 04:12:42 PM

Yes, I have been reading his articles for a long time (have one of his books and others on persuasion); since well before he got to be 'famous' for stuff other than the PHB. :)

I think I have shared some of the info about persuasion before now. I started getting interested when I was writing my DOARB stuff a few years ago. About framing, the use of language and how to use emotion rather than fact to win an argument. Starting to turn it into money, in a small way for myself. ;)

Pre-suasion (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pre-Suasion-Revolutionary-Way-Influence-Persuade/dp/1847941419/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=): Robert Cialdini. This guy is one of the absolute top dogs in the field and probably worked for the Clinton campaign, coming on board when she changed her campaign style from fact to emotion.

Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002BD2UUC/ref=oh_aui_d_detailpage_o04_?ie=UTF8&psc=1): Robert Cialdini

How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00FHI0XK2/ref=oh_aui_d_detailpage_o00_?ie=UTF8&psc=1): Scott Adams

Persuasion: The Art of Influencing People (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Persuasion-Influencing-People-James-Borg/dp/1292004495/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1479164222&sr=1-1): James Borg. The one that got me into this.

Introducing Neurolinguistic Programming (NLP): A Practical Guide (https://www.amazon.com/Introducing-Neurolinguistic-Programming-NLP-Practical/dp/1848312563/ref=sr_1_1?): Neil Shah

Why Are We The Good Guys?: Reclaiming Your Mind From The Delusions Of Propaganda (https://www.amazon.com/Why-Are-Good-Guys-Reclaiming/dp/178099365X): David Cromwell

Scott Adams is of the opinion that Trump is the best persuader of our times. From what I have seen, I think I agree. His mastery of communication is superb and, yes, he is a master negotiator. He has successfully negotiated with the entire USAian electorate, including those who voted against him.

When you have gotten into some of this, and I have several other books on media manipulation to go with these, you will start to wonder just what is real. For me 'sides' are not a thing any longer, we simply do not know enough to make those choices. In general terms if you 'know' enough to pick a side then you just got programmed! ;)

All we can do is work to create a consistent(ish) view of the world, filtered through our own ethical standards. This helps to avoid cognitive dissonance, but none of us escape it! USA is chock full of cognitive dissonance at the moment, tens of millions of people all telling the tide to go back and stop wetting their feet!

Scott is an interesting introductory guide to this world. The essays on his blog are usually worth reading to get a practical fix on some stuff that Cialdini and others refer to in more abstract terms.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 14, 2016, 05:39:26 PM

Trump and Putin agree to team up against ISIL

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/trump-putin-vow-tackle-isis-9259834

Trump is hitting the ground running.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 14, 2016, 07:14:32 PM

is 306 Electoral Votes to 232 EV classed as a "HOG SLAUGHTER"?

Asking for a friend. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 14, 2016, 07:20:41 PM

Quote from: Slumba on November 14, 2016, 07:14:32 PM

is 306 Electoral Votes to 232 EV classed as a "HOG SLAUGHTER"?

Asking for a friend. tiphat

:ROFL:

Your friend might still be suffering from failed poll syndrome.
Or still squawking about the popular vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 14, 2016, 07:57:04 PM

or Trump Adverse Reaction Dystopia or more commonly known as T.A.R.D.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2016, 08:35:45 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 14, 2016, 07:57:04 PM

or Trump Adverse Reaction Dystopia or more commonly known as T.A.R.D.

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2016, 08:36:31 PM

Quote from: Slumba on November 14, 2016, 07:14:32 PM

is 306 Electoral Votes to 232 EV classed as a "HOG SLAUGHTER"?

Asking for a friend. tiphat

There is a Santa Claus! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on November 14, 2016, 08:41:05 PM

In lou of Moby not being here, i thought i break up the tight little circle.
What happened guys to all that chatter about the rigged election? Even president elect D.J Conspiracy said it was rigged, well until the votes were tallied, then you fellas conveniently let it go. :laugh:

I'm sure there's a good tale to tell how the rigged election backfired on Clinton. Maybe Russia was involved after all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2016, 09:18:51 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 14, 2016, 08:41:05 PM

In lou of Moby not being here, i thought i break up the tight little circle.
What happened guys to all that chatter about the rigged election? Even president elect D.J Conspiracy said it was rigged, well until the votes were tallied, then you fellas conveniently let it go. :laugh:

I'm sure there's a good tale to tell how the rigged election backfired on Clinton. Maybe Russia was involved after all.

There is absolutely no doubt that the DNC attempted to rig the election. One observer believes that 3 million illegals cast their illegal votes. It wasn't enough to overcome the tidal wave of Trump voters.

Of course if you were capable of reading you would already know this, because it's been posted about up thread. In regards to your snide statement that "you fellas conveniently let it go". NO. Absolutely false. One thing a Trump administration is going to do is tighten up the rules.

A person cannot get a Drivers License without proving their ID, why should they be allowed to vote? Want to give blood? Same thing. I'm not going to waste more than a couple of minutes on you, but I can assure we have not let it go and we will work diligently to ensure the laws are tightened.

some idiots in the "mainstream" "media" engaging in comedy.

https://twitter.com/USAforTrump2016/status/798364449061142531

back to your comic books now. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2016, 10:03:07 PM

Donald Trump, American Gladiator. enjoy! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2016, 10:41:52 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 14, 2016, 03:08:42 AM

This 38 second parody went SUPER VIRAL 86 million views in just a few days!

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2016, 11:06:44 PM

Trump said get used to winning. He's not even President yet, however the stock market set a new high. And the TPP is effectively dead.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2016, 04:31:04 AM

Trump's words that "we're going to win so much that you get tired of winning" are proving prophetic. CNN, who never misses a chance to criticize Trump, now complains that the Trump stock market rally is too high, too fast.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/14/investing/stock-market-record-high-donald-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 15, 2016, 05:51:32 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 14, 2016, 08:41:05 PM

In lou of Moby not being here, i thought i break up the tight little circle.
What happened guys to all that chatter about the rigged election? Even president elect D.J Conspiracy said it was rigged, well until the votes were tallied, then you fellas conveniently let it go. :laugh:

I'm sure there's a good tale to tell how the rigged election backfired on Clinton. Maybe Russia was involved after all.

Read these old chum!

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/10/21/rigged-elections-are-an-american-tradition-paul-craig-roberts/

http://m.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-election-493995/breaking-james-okeefe-releases-second-video-15214373/

:chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2016, 07:03:09 AM

Quote from: Wiz on November 15, 2016, 05:51:32 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 14, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
In lou of Moby not being here, i thought i break up the tight little circle.
What happened guys to all that chatter about the rigged election? Even president elect D.J Conspiracy said it was rigged, well until the votes were tallied, then you fellas conveniently let it go. :laugh:

I'm sure there's a good tale to tell how the rigged election backfired on Clinton. Maybe Russia was involved after all.

Read these old chum!

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/10/21/rigged-elections-are-an-american-tradition-paul-craig-roberts/

http://m.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-election-493995/breaking-james-okeefe-releases-second-video-15214373/

:chuckle:

I had already posted all of the project Veritas videos above, plus plenty of additional material. Cornhollio is just too lazy to read and his source for "news" is the corporate owned CIA edited "media".

You don't really expect this cartoon character to read and learn anything, now do you?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 15, 2016, 09:12:39 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 15, 2016, 07:03:09 AM

Quote from: Wiz on November 15, 2016, 05:51:32 AM
Quote from: Donhollio on November 14, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
In lou of Moby not being here, i thought i break up the tight little circle.
What happened guys to all that chatter about the rigged election? Even president elect D.J Conspiracy said it was rigged, well until the votes were tallied, then you fellas conveniently let it go. :laugh:

I'm sure there's a good tale to tell how the rigged election backfired on Clinton. Maybe Russia was involved after all.

Read these old chum!

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/10/21/rigged-elections-are-an-american-tradition-paul-craig-roberts/

http://m.hannity.com/articles/hanpr-election-493995/breaking-james-okeefe-releases-second-video-15214373/

:chuckle:

I had already posted all of the project Veritas videos above, plus plenty of additional material. Cornhollio is just too lazy to read and his source for "news" is the corporate owned CIA edited "media".

You don't really expect this cartoon character to read and learn anything, now do you?

Don's a legend around here.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2016, 10:48:57 AM

Fake Trump protesters and the failure of the left-wing media.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2016, 11:37:48 AM

Trump to bring back bust of Winston Churchill which Obama removed.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/732082/Trump-Churchill-statue-removed-White-House-Barack-Obama

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 15, 2016, 01:10:02 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 14, 2016, 08:41:05 PM

In lou of Moby not being here, i thought i break up the tight little circle.
What happened guys to all that chatter about the rigged election? Even president elect D.J Conspiracy said it was rigged, well until the votes were tallied, then you fellas conveniently let it go. :laugh:

I'm sure there's a good tale to tell how the rigged election backfired on Clinton. Maybe Russia was involved after all.

My view is that my calling attention to it, they had to be more careful about stuffing the ballot box. And thus the comments about rigging served their purpose.

Between 1.2 million and 3 million illegals voted in this election, mostly for Hillary. That is why she won the popular vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2016, 01:49:38 PM

Quote from: Slumba on November 15, 2016, 01:10:02 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 14, 2016, 08:41:05 PM
In lou of Moby not being here, i thought i break up the tight little circle.
What happened guys to all that chatter about the rigged election? Even president elect D.J Conspiracy said it was rigged, well until the votes were tallied, then you fellas conveniently let it go. :laugh:

I'm sure there's a good tale to tell how the rigged election backfired on Clinton. Maybe Russia was involved after all.

My view is that my calling attention to it, they had to be more careful about stuffing the ballot box. And thus the comments about rigging served their purpose.

Between 1.2 million and 3 million illegals voted in this election, mostly for Hillary. That is why she won the popular vote.

correct. 3 million is probably a soft estimate. Obama was caught on video gleefully telling an illegal that she could vote and nobody would do anything (meaning he would abuse his office yet again to prevent the law from being enforced) about it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2016, 02:31:54 PM

The Wall will be built.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/11/15/trump-immigration-architect-the-wall-will-be-built-and-there-will-be-no-free-passes/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 15, 2016, 05:52:27 PM

Soros, US Democrats Will Meet to Plan Anti-Trump Resistance Movement

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/soros-us-democrats-will-meet-plan-anti-trump-resistance-movement/ri17577

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2016, 06:29:40 PM

Professor forced to resign from leadership position at University over disagreeing with protesters. Why even have Professors? Why not let the spoiled children of America certify their own marxist "education"?

http://www.westernjournalism.com/professor-pays-price-objecting-post-election-not-america-protest/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=westjournalism

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2016, 07:22:35 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 15, 2016, 05:52:27 PM

Soros, US Democrats Will Meet to Plan Anti-Trump Resistance Movement

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/soros-us-democrats-will-meet-plan-anti-trump-resistance-movement/ri17577

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2016, 09:13:00 PM

Trump did in fact win the popular vote in 3,084 counties. Take out the illegal vote and he easily won with legal Americans. :fighting0025:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/15/donald-trump-won-7-5-million-popular-vote-landslide-mainstream-america/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on November 15, 2016, 09:49:17 PM

Cornfed what's the Grand Wizards plan after the illegal Mexicans are deported?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2016, 10:19:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 15, 2016, 09:13:00 PM

Trump did in fact win the popular vote in 3,084 counties. Take out the illegal vote and he easily won with legal Americans. :fighting0025:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/15/donald-trump-won-7-5-million-popular-vote-landslide-mainstream-america/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

:laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2016, 10:24:16 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 15, 2016, 09:49:17 PM

Confederate what's President Trump's plan after the illegal Mexicans are deported?

Cornhollio, pick up a newspaper, engage your brain and read about it. Stop being so damn lazy.

or start here. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/

Maybe if we're lucky he'll send all our recent Muslim immigrants to you since your sissy PM Trudeau likes them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on November 16, 2016, 12:26:47 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 15, 2016, 10:24:16 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 15, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
Confederate what's President Trump's plan after the illegal Mexicans are deported?

Cornhollio, pick up a newspaper, engage your brain and read about it. Stop being so damn lazy.

or start here. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/

Maybe if we're lucky he'll send all our recent Muslim immigrants to you since your sissy PM Trudeau likes them.

Jumpin on your guns a bit early there Cornfed. It's president elect Trump. But don't worry just a few more quarter moons and you can get your window flags mounted on the doors of your Buick Road master ( with full Douglas fir mak-tac trim of course)

Anyway you have an answer for me? Surely all those bias blogs you read as news has the answer.
Ok if y'all are shooting blanks on your poster here goes. What happen when you take the illegals out of the California fruit farms, who replaces them?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 16, 2016, 02:20:18 AM

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 16, 2016, 04:03:31 AM

(http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/hillarywedonthavetorespectelection.jpg)

:laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2016, 06:38:21 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 16, 2016, 02:20:18 AM

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

Context is extremely important, my friend.

You're quoting from an era before food stamps, before free medical via clogging up all the Emergency Rooms in the land, before vouchers for subsidized rent via Section 8, before financial handouts for pregnancy care, before free College tuition and finally before free public school education.

when I can find it I will post a video for you of a bunch of Mexican males, who are asked why did you leave Mexico? Their answer is that Mexico is being destroyed by Socialism. It's the classic case every time!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 16, 2016, 06:53:35 AM

Seriously, begs the question though presumably these Mexican illegals Trump is planning to deport back to haven't 'lost' their passports or ID?

As Mexico is under no obligation to take people back without any proof they are Mexican, how's this going to pan out?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2016, 06:54:29 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 16, 2016, 12:26:47 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 15, 2016, 10:24:16 PM
Quote from: Donhollio on November 15, 2016, 09:49:17 PM
Confederate what's President Trump's plan after the illegal Mexicans are deported?

Cornhollio, pick up a newspaper, engage your brain and read about it. Stop being so damn lazy.

or start here. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policies/

Maybe if we're lucky he'll send all our recent Muslim immigrants to you since your sissy PM Trudeau likes them.

Jumpin on your guns a bit early there Cornfed. It's president elect Trump. But don't worry just a few more quarter moons and you can get your window flags mounted on the doors of your Buick Road master ( with full Douglas fir mak-tac trim of course)

Anyway you have an answer for me? Surely all those bias blogs you read as news has the answer.
Ok if y'all are shooting blanks on your poster here goes. What happen when you take the illegals out of the California fruit farms, who replaces them?

I really shouldn't help you to engage your brain. Like most liberals you only hear what you want to hear.

Trump has made it clear that once we clear out illegals, the good ones who had jobs will be brought back in. He could also easily start a guest worker program for the specific issue you mention.

The clear difference is that we're not going to have an open border anymore, with a bunch of free stuff as the reward. We're going to enforce existing laws and enact some new ones if need be.

Just wait and see how he achieves his objectives. If he doesn't force some illegals out who are working this will not surprise me. The main objective initially is to take out the criminals and build a wall and have only legal orderly immigration in the future, where the 1st person applying gets in, not another unskilled person breaking the law.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2016, 06:57:36 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 16, 2016, 06:53:35 AM

Seriously, begs the question though presumably these Mexican illegals Trump is planning to deport back to haven't 'lost' their passports or ID?

As Mexico is under no obligation to take people back without any proof they are Mexican, how's this going to pan out?

Just wait and see. Trump holds all the cards now and so do the American people. Getting free loaders out will be easy. We can crush Mexico by withholding funds and stopping trade. Wouldn't hurt us one tiny jot. Would crush them.

Trust me on this: Trump is a very strong negotiator and knows what he's doing. This is a tiny concern and easy compared with other great programs coming.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 16, 2016, 07:02:51 AM

I'll not be holding my breath but I'll hold off until say middle of 2017, let's see then.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2016, 07:14:46 AM

Warrior queen Effs Msnbc reporter in the back side as he tries to push the usual liberal BS.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=55851

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2016, 07:18:37 AM

Liberal brains exploding as they realize Trump will be victorious! the usual clap-trap...TomT could be an actor for these clowns.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2016, 07:22:00 AM

More "Young Turks" w/ exploding brains. :laugh: Ste and Moby will like all the usual "liberal" buzz words being thrown about. Just forward 21 minutes in to see their long faces and they immediately attack Hillary as the "worst candidate ever" :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 16, 2016, 07:32:31 AM

Tell me, do you see any flaws at all in Trump?

As everyone here is aware, I like Corbyn, our Labour leader here, and I agree with much of what he says, but also he comes out with total crap and total bollocks that makes me cringe sometimes.

It's not very objective to totally 'like all Trumps posts' to use a Facebook analogy. Surely you must have some reservations?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2016, 07:46:48 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 16, 2016, 07:32:31 AM

Tell me, do you see any flaws at all in Trump?

As everyone here is aware, I like Corbyn, our Labour leader here, and I agree with much of what he says, but also he comes out with total crap and total bollocks that makes me cringe sometimes.

It's not very objective to totally 'like all Trumps posts' to use a Facebook analogy. Surely you must have some reservations?

No, no major flaws right now. What you would call flaws I see as strength. However of course I can only say for sure after a minimum of 1 year in office -- that would be a starting point for an initial assessment.

3 years in should be enough time for some major progress, per what is important for me.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2016, 07:53:41 AM

Media whines after Trump ditches them to get a steak at 21 Club in NYC. And BTW he got a standing ovation from the patrons there.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/11/16/reporters-whine-president-elect-trump-ditches-family-dinner-nyc-steakhouse-413047

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 16, 2016, 08:04:11 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 16, 2016, 07:46:48 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 16, 2016, 07:32:31 AM
Tell me, do you see any flaws at all in Trump?

As everyone here is aware, I like Corbyn, our Labour leader here, and I agree with much of what he says, but also he comes out with total crap and total bollocks that makes me cringe sometimes.

It's not very objective to totally 'like all Trumps posts' to use a Facebook analogy. Surely you must have some reservations?

No, no major flaws right now. What you would call flaws I see as strength. However of course I can only say for sure after a minimum of 1 year in office -- that would be a starting point for an initial assessment.

3 years in should be enough time for some major progress, per what is important for me.

I can't see it happening, can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear, no matter how much of a Messiah he is perceived to be.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 16, 2016, 08:23:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 16, 2016, 07:46:48 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 16, 2016, 07:32:31 AM
Tell me, do you see any flaws at all in Trump?

As everyone here is aware, I like Corbyn, our Labour leader here, and I agree with much of what he says, but also he comes out with total crap and total bollocks that makes me cringe sometimes.

It's not very objective to totally 'like all Trumps posts' to use a Facebook analogy. Surely you must have some reservations?

No, no major flaws right now. What you would call flaws I see as strength. However of course I can only say for sure after a minimum of 1 year in office -- that would be a starting point for an initial assessment.

3 years in should be enough time for some major progress, per what is important for me.

While the alternative Clinton was less appealing and I am willing to give Trump a chance, I suspect we will know a lot more by mid-June 2017. As for not seeing some flaws with Trump, I can only assume you are either naive, ignorant or willfully stupid. (Oh by the way I have a bridge for sale, interested?)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2016, 09:30:16 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 16, 2016, 08:23:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 16, 2016, 07:46:48 AM
Quote from: Ste on November 16, 2016, 07:32:31 AM
Tell me, do you see any flaws at all in Trump?

As everyone here is aware, I like Corbyn, our Labour leader here, and I agree with much of what he says, but also he comes out with total crap and total bollocks that makes me cringe sometimes.

It's not very objective to totally 'like all Trumps posts' to use a Facebook analogy. Surely you must have some reservations?

No, no major flaws right now. What you would call flaws I see as strength. However of course I can only say for sure after a minimum of 1 year in office -- that would be a starting point for an initial assessment.

3 years in should be enough time for some major progress, per what is important for me.

While the alternative Clinton was less appealing and I am willing to give Trump a chance, I suspect we will know a lot more by mid-June 2017. As for not seeing some flaws with Trump, I can only assume you are either naive, ignorant or willfully stupid. (Oh by the way I have a bridge for sale, interested?)

Again, I see his "flaws" as strength. Being a course, brash New Yorker and successful businessman is okay by me. Sure I have some minor reservations. I believe the way the office works is what will keep any potential flaws in check. He is highly motivated to prove his critics wrong. He has a wise VP to give him sage advice, as well as others.

June 2017 is too early, IMO. If he is not performing as we, the American people who voted for him expect mid 2018, at that point in time I will consider your bridge purchase. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2016, 09:42:55 AM

Trump vows to remove lobbyists from his transition team.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/youre-fired-trump-cuts-all-lobbyists-from-transition-team/article/2607519

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 16, 2016, 09:46:13 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 16, 2016, 09:30:16 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 16, 2016, 08:23:46 AM
Quote from: Confederate on November 16, 2016, 07:46:48 AM
Quote from: Ste on November 16, 2016, 07:32:31 AM
Tell me, do you see any flaws at all in Trump?

As everyone here is aware, I like Corbyn, our Labour leader here, and I agree with much of what he says, but also he comes out with total crap and total bollocks that makes me cringe sometimes.

It's not very objective to totally 'like all Trumps posts' to use a Facebook analogy. Surely you must have some reservations?

No, no major flaws right now. What you would call flaws I see as strength. However of course I can only say for sure after a minimum of 1 year in office -- that would be a starting point for an initial assessment.

3 years in should be enough time for some major progress, per what is important for me.

While the alternative Clinton was less appealing and I am willing to give Trump a chance, I suspect we will know a lot more by mid-June 2017. As for not seeing some flaws with Trump, I can only assume you are either naive, ignorant or willfully stupid. (Oh by the way I have a bridge for sale, interested?)

Again, I see his "flaws" as strength. Being a course, brash New Yorker and successful businessman is okay by me. Sure I have some minor reservations. I believe the way the office works is what will keep any potential flaws in check. He is highly motivated to prove his critics wrong. He has a wise VP to give him sage advice, as well as others.

June 2017 is too early, IMO. If he is not performing as we, the American people who voted for him expect mid 2018, at that point in time I will consider your bridge purchase. :)

Business and global economics are different animals...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2016, 09:49:34 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 16, 2016, 09:46:13 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 16, 2016, 09:30:16 AM
Quote from: AvHdB on November 16, 2016, 08:23:46 AM
Quote from: Confederate on November 16, 2016, 07:46:48 AM
Quote from: Ste on November 16, 2016, 07:32:31 AM
Tell me, do you see any flaws at all in Trump?

As everyone here is aware, I like Corbyn, our Labour leader here, and I agree with much of what he says, but also he comes out with total crap and total bollocks that makes me cringe sometimes.

It's not very objective to totally 'like all Trumps posts' to use a Facebook analogy. Surely you must have some reservations?

No, no major flaws right now. What you would call flaws I see as strength. However of course I can only say for sure after a minimum of 1 year in office -- that would be a starting point for an initial assessment.

3 years in should be enough time for some major progress, per what is important for me.

While the alternative Clinton was less appealing and I am willing to give Trump a chance, I suspect we will know a lot more by mid-June 2017. As for not seeing some flaws with Trump, I can only assume you are either naive, ignorant or willfully stupid. (Oh by the way I have a bridge for sale, interested?)

Again, I see his "flaws" as strength. Being a course, brash New Yorker and successful businessman is okay by me. Sure I have some minor reservations. I believe the way the office works is what will keep any potential flaws in check. He is highly motivated to prove his critics wrong. He has a wise VP to give him sage advice, as well as others.

June 2017 is too early, IMO. If he is not performing as we, the American people who voted for him expect mid 2018, at that point in time I will consider your bridge purchase. :)

Business and global economics are different animals...

His business was never a one man operation and it was indeed global. He is not a lone wolf. He is highly pragmatic, he knows what he doesn't know and seeks experts, he builds a highly motivated and experienced team, and he produces winning results.

His ability to build a team of experts and then produce winning results is proven. Give the man some time. I am very confident in his innate abilities and instincts. You not so much. :coffeeread:

and why Ste thinks how he does

https://twitter.com/ThePatriot143/status/798892556084015104

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 16, 2016, 12:01:29 PM

Actually the difference between the economics within a business and the economics of a nation are not much different - apart from the scale.
Economics is simple:economics is about the allocation of (scarce) resources. Any competent manager manages scarce resources every day. In this context 'scarce' is shorthand for any resource with a finite limit - that's pretty much any resource.

We should not forget that although Trump has never been an elected official he has been politically active, and very successfully, for several decades.

At the core of the job of president is negotiation. It might not be called that but the president, any president is elected upon a platform of goals and plans. In order to implement them he must manage the power structures, trade off one stakeholder against another and attain the outcomes he desires. That's negotiation, pure and simple. It is sales, pure and simple. Trump, I am sure, can read a balance sheet and intuit the strengths and weaknesses he sees without reference to a calculator or advisor.

He knows how to be president, he has the job skills.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: MSGRMercury16 on November 16, 2016, 01:41:22 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 20, 2015, 10:16:11 PM

Quote from: Anteros on December 20, 2015, 11:37:14 AM
You and the rest of the PC crowd are in for a real shock when you realize how much of a tidal wave is coming. Americans are sick of "PC" and we especially are sick of the media and those like you who take what he's really saying out of context.

I'm going to save this post so that I can remind you what you wrote after the election.

okay, I'm waiting. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: MSGRMercury16 on November 16, 2016, 01:42:31 PM

As a polite reminder to Shakespeare, you owe me $20.00 please send to the address you have on file.

Anteros.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 16, 2016, 01:50:12 PM

Andrew has a point about management. My guess Ste is looking at stockholders versus citizens.

The factors are neither mutually inclusive or exclusive.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 16, 2016, 02:01:40 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 16, 2016, 07:32:31 AM

Tell me, do you see any flaws at all in Trump?

You mean other than the fact he has a narcissistic personality disorder that borders on mental illness and the verbal self control of a 3 year old? Not yet.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 16, 2016, 02:03:44 PM

Quote from: MSGRMercury16 on November 16, 2016, 01:42:31 PM

As a polite reminder to Shakespeare, you owe me $20.00 please send to the address you have on file.

Anteros.

I thought you were gone.

I'll take care of it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: MSGRMercury16 on November 16, 2016, 02:04:05 PM

Quote from: TomT on March 09, 2016, 05:26:17 PM

Wasn't Anteros the guy who predicted the "greatest landslide ever?"

Yes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 16, 2016, 02:24:45 PM

Is it the greatest landslide ever?
Dunno, but sure looks like a landslide in terms of the victories - which is the only way to count really, yes?. 80% of all contests won by the Republican presidential candidate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 16, 2016, 06:40:42 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 16, 2016, 02:01:40 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 16, 2016, 07:32:31 AM
Tell me, do you see any flaws at all in Trump?

You mean other than the fact he has a narcissistic personality disorder that borders on mental illness and the verbal self control of a 3 year old? Not yet.

If he is as entitled as everyone says he is, he will "make things great again" out of his own egotistical needs.

Which works for me.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2016, 08:04:56 PM

Ivana Trump as Ambassador to Czech republic?

http://www.breitbart.com/news/prague-backs-czech-born-ivana-trump-for-us-ambassador/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2016, 08:12:25 PM

The Trump belt: areas where Trump outperformed Mitt Romney.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/798952541656649728

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2016, 08:18:30 PM

Professor must undergo psych eval for anti Trump tweets, etc.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/11/16/rutgers-professor-anti-trump-tweets/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 17, 2016, 12:56:59 AM

Cry baby..

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/733216/Hillary-Clinton-never-wanted-to-leave-the-house-first-speech-election-loss-Donald-Trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 17, 2016, 05:38:22 AM

Sorry but this is quality!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 17, 2016, 06:58:58 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 16, 2016, 01:50:12 PM

Andrew has a point about management. My guess Ste is looking at stockholders versus citizens.

The factors are neither mutually inclusive or exclusive.

I'm thinking macro-economics is NOT the same as running a business. For example a business making profit (and we've no evidence Trump has done any of that) is basically profiting from a sale, that's it, the rest is balanced by government policy. Macro-economics has to look at both sides, i.e. if you tax people too much they have no money to spend, too little and they spend too much and drive the price down thereby reducing profit for businesses....

Seems it's a simple act of balance but it isn't, boom/bust is still with us, the finest economic brains haven't been able to do it, which is why I think that the Trumpster may have kept his inherited wealth and businesses mostly intact, if diminished, has no clue when it comes to running a whole Country's macro-economy.

But Confederate will say he has 'people' for that.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 17, 2016, 07:02:27 AM

I think that you are maybe a little confused about what Trump does in life. ;)
In addition you seem confused about how a business functions.

Also, you are probably unaware of his professional training. He CERTAINLY has more relevant training and practical experience than the previous two incumbents - not that this is a high bar, but it sure as hell means your suggestion is without merit.

By the way, economic cycles are pretty much a given, no real way to stop them. What we can do is reduce the amplitude of the cycles and increase the wavelength. Both of these have been successfully implemented by western economies over the past generation. It'd be a fool who'd honestly suggest though that those changes were the personal responsibility of any individual head of government or state. The best that these people can do is create the environment in which others can operate effectively. Trump has already demonstrated a degree of deftness in this area that surpasses his rivals in both business and politics.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on November 17, 2016, 07:19:32 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 17, 2016, 06:58:58 AM

I'm thinking macro-economics is NOT the same as running a business. For example a business making profit (and we've no evidence Trump has done any of that) is basically profiting from a sale, that's it, the rest is balanced by government policy. Macro-economics has to look at both sides, i.e. if you tax people too much they have no money to spend, too little and they spend too much and drive the price down thereby reducing profit for businesses....

You certainly did not study Economics at Uni :ROFL: Your grasp of macro economic theory is plain to see ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 17, 2016, 07:21:55 AM

Quote from: leslied on November 17, 2016, 07:19:32 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 17, 2016, 06:58:58 AM

I'm thinking macro-economics is NOT the same as running a business. For example a business making profit (and we've no evidence Trump has done any of that) is basically profiting from a sale, that's it, the rest is balanced by government policy. Macro-economics has to look at both sides, i.e. if you tax people too much they have no money to spend, too little and they spend too much and drive the price down thereby reducing profit for businesses....

You certainly did not study Economics at Uni :ROFL: Your grasp of macro economic theory is plain to see ;D

Ok, I'm waiting...

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 17, 2016, 07:37:48 AM

Self directed learning is the best learning:
Intro to how businesses work:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Business-Studies-Dummies-Richard-Pettinger/dp/B00GL2OUZC/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1479393214&sr=1-4&keywords=textbook+for+business+studies

Intro to economics, covers both macro and micro economics:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Economics-Mr-John-Sloman/dp/1292064773/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1479393381&sr=1-1

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 17, 2016, 07:53:37 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 17, 2016, 07:21:55 AM

Quote from: leslied on November 17, 2016, 07:19:32 AM
Quote from: Ste on November 17, 2016, 06:58:58 AM

I'm thinking macro-economics is NOT the same as running a business. For example a business making profit (and we've no evidence Trump has done any of that) is basically profiting from a sale, that's it, the rest is balanced by government policy. Macro-economics has to look at both sides, i.e. if you tax people too much they have no money to spend, too little and they spend too much and drive the price down thereby reducing profit for businesses....

You certainly did not study Economics at Uni :ROFL: Your grasp of macro economic theory is plain to see ;D

Ok, I'm waiting...

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

enjoy and learn.. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 17, 2016, 07:53:53 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 17, 2016, 07:37:48 AM

Self directed learning is the best learning:
Intro to how businesses work:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Business-Studies-Dummies-Richard-Pettinger/dp/B00GL2OUZC/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1479393214&sr=1-4&keywords=textbook+for+business+studies

Intro to economics, covers both macro and micro economics:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Economics-Mr-John-Sloman/dp/1292064773/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1479393381&sr=1-1

No it's fine mate, I know it's (probably!) not personal but as I said I finally twigged what going here and why this site is still here with very little actual discussion just auto-botic gain-saying to rile people.

Just looking into whether it's worth me getting a slice of the cake!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 17, 2016, 08:57:07 AM

So, Ste, if you have decided that yours is the way of the troll that's a pity because you are better than that.

If you think that all around you is other trolls then maybe you might want to look in a mirror and ask why it is that you think so. I mean, I am here, and I do not see trolls everywhere and I know that sure as night follows day there's idiots who will happily argue that pink is the new green in order to create some form of argument against anything I write. Mostly those people are just unable to think well enough to create a cogent, honest, argument - they are not trolls. So, please don't join 'em - to repeat - you are better than that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on November 17, 2016, 09:00:21 AM

Ste

We have known of each other on the forums for maybe a decade. We are from different ends of the political spectrum.

I know you are a clever guy but if you post about subject matter you know nothing about then you come across like Moby Wan ;D What else do you expect??

To return to your original question. I see many, many, flaws in Donald Trump. He will surround himself with a very high powered team some of which - like Rudy Gulliani and Newt Gingrich, I have admired for many years. Hopefully his rhetorical commitments will be tempered by practical constraint. In any event he deserves his chance. He won the election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 17, 2016, 09:15:43 AM

To all, that's fair enough, I take it on, I'm wrong much of the time, I (usually) admit it, I see no shame in it, don't see many others on here doing the same and it does seem odd to me - everyone seems to he 100% sure, it does seem to be a long drawn out Monty Python Argument Sketch to me on here.

I've learnt a few things though, like the link backs, and this is a bit left-field, enjoying life in Copenhagen, though I'm in UK this week and wound up lol, extremely relaxed way of life which I like, I am tempted to sit back and just melt into that, which means to me no arguing on fora like these.

So, I'm not flouncing, not even logging off, just gonna sit back and not participate for a bit in the open discussions purely for my own desire to have some me time, not cos i'm wound up! UK/EU visa stuff I know about and will join in if I can help.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 17, 2016, 09:39:17 AM

Does anyone know why Trump banished Chris Christie? I understand there was a purge of Christie's appointments, lobbyists and insiders. Was this the reason?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 17, 2016, 09:44:38 AM

That's a good video Gipsy. Not a big watcher of videos me, but they edited it tight and talk fast so I watched half of it!

Christie replaced - I think it is a bridge thing, in large part. A distraction that is not needed. Also, Pence will have been angling for more responsibility and that will have been a sop to other Republican stakeholder interests. The cleanout of lobbyists might have been a part of it too given the others who were swept out with the same broom.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 17, 2016, 09:52:16 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 17, 2016, 09:15:43 AM

To all, that's fair enough, I take it on, I'm wrong much of the time, I (usually) admit it, I see no shame in it, don't see many others on here doing the same and it does seem odd to me - everyone seems to he 100% sure, it does seem to be a long drawn out Monty Python Argument Sketch to me on here.

I try to stay humble. I got my first notice on these forums 13 years ago by telling my train wreak of a marriage to a Russian woman. Some praised me for my openness and others called me a loser.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 17, 2016, 10:21:33 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 17, 2016, 09:52:16 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 17, 2016, 09:15:43 AM
To all, that's fair enough, I take it on, I'm wrong much of the time, I (usually) admit it, I see no shame in it, don't see many others on here doing the same and it does seem odd to me - everyone seems to he 100% sure, it does seem to be a long drawn out Monty Python Argument Sketch to me on here.

I try to stay humble. I got my first notice on these forums 13 years ago by telling my train wreak of a marriage to a Russian woman. Some praised me for my openness and others called me a loser.

I well remember that Maxx, Elvira etc. And you sent me the 17 CD series of World at War too after we discussed the topic just out of the goodness of your heart Maxx, perhaps you forgot, but I haven't :) Some things are worth remembering....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 17, 2016, 11:36:07 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 09, 2016, 05:46:08 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 09, 2016, 02:41:27 PM
I think he owes me a wee sheckle too, I need to look back.

$40 US if memory serve me correctly.

Let me know if that is wrong.

I'll pay on Friday!

I'm paid. :money:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 17, 2016, 11:40:14 AM

Quote from: Manny on November 17, 2016, 11:36:07 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 09, 2016, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: Manny on November 09, 2016, 02:41:27 PM
I think he owes me a wee sheckle too, I need to look back.

$40 US if memory serve me correctly.

Let me know if that is wrong.

I'll pay on Friday!

I'm paid. :money:

Respect to Shakey..... tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 17, 2016, 12:43:02 PM

Donald Trump is the next president, but the biggest winner is Melania Trump.

She can now call herself The First Lady instead of The Third Wife

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 17, 2016, 02:39:38 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 17, 2016, 10:21:33 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 17, 2016, 09:52:16 AM
Quote from: Ste on November 17, 2016, 09:15:43 AM
To all, that's fair enough, I take it on, I'm wrong much of the time, I (usually) admit it, I see no shame in it, don't see many others on here doing the same and it does seem odd to me - everyone seems to he 100% sure, it does seem to be a long drawn out Monty Python Argument Sketch to me on here.

I try to stay humble. I got my first notice on these forums 13 years ago by telling my train wreak of a marriage to a Russian woman. Some praised me for my openness and others called me a loser.

I well remember that Maxx, Elvira etc. And you sent me the 17 CD series of World at War too after we discussed the topic just out of the goodness of your heart Maxx, perhaps you forgot, but I haven't :) Some things are worth remembering....

I remember the hot pink and black CD case I sent them in that your children fought over. It has been a lot of years gone by.

I got contacted yesterday by PM by one of us legacy players. I told him that though we disagree on certain topics we should stay civil towards each other. In fact we should treat each of with respect as we share in common the pursuit of Eastern European women, past, present and/or future. It takes a certain level of courage to travel that road less traveled.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 17, 2016, 04:23:45 PM

Donald Trump got a little boost with future energy supply, and dealing with the Saudis.
The United states won't be needing to buy much oil from the middle east.

USGS: Largest oil deposit ever found in U.S. discovered in Texas

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2016/11/17/usgs-largest-oil-deposit-ever-found-us-discovered-texas/94013292/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 17, 2016, 08:04:31 PM

: Trump Offers Flynn National Security Adviser Job
Trump is also rumored to be meeting with Mitt Romney on Sunday about the position of the Secretary of state.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 17, 2016, 08:40:06 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 17, 2016, 08:04:31 PM

: Trump Offers Flynn National Security Adviser Job
Trump is also rumored to be meeting with Mitt Romney on Sunday about the position of the Secretary of state.

:D What is Trump thinking? Romney tried everything to keep Trump from winning the Republican nomination. Trump said Romney "choked" in 2012. The guy is pure RINO. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy Trump would like or respect.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 17, 2016, 08:49:39 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 16, 2016, 12:26:47 AM

What happen when you take the illegals out of the California fruit farms, who replaces them?

Rednecks, of course.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 17, 2016, 08:52:43 PM

Quote from: MSGRMercury16 on November 16, 2016, 01:41:22 PM

okay, I'm waiting. :ROFL:

http://mysite.du.edu/~treddell/3780/Kornbluth_The-Marching-Morons.pdf

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 17, 2016, 11:58:39 PM

Quote from: leslied on November 17, 2016, 09:00:21 AM

To return to your original question. I see many, many, flaws in Donald Trump. He will surround himself with a very high powered team some of which - like Rudy Guliani and Newt Gingrich, I have admired for many years. Hopefully his rhetorical commitments will be tempered by practical constraint. In any event he deserves his chance. He won the election.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 12:02:01 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 17, 2016, 08:40:06 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 17, 2016, 08:04:31 PM
: Trump Offers Flynn National Security Adviser Job
Trump is also rumored to be meeting with Mitt Romney on Sunday about the position of the Secretary of state.

:D What is Trump thinking? Romney tried everything to keep Trump from winning the Republican nomination. Trump said Romney "choked" in 2012. The guy is pure RINO. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy Trump would like or respect.

That's a false rumour and a bad joke. Trump hates Romney and would never meet that jerk or give him the time of day. Show me one legitimate news source verifying this. You can't do it because Trump is no dummy and he's not going to waste time meeting with the dummy who lost to Hussein O.

legitimate candidates

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-secretary-of-state-2016-11

if Trump has any meeting w/ Romney it is only a ruse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 18, 2016, 12:54:56 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 16, 2016, 12:26:47 AM

What happen when you take the illegals out of the California fruit farms, who replaces them?

For one, there will likely be more automation.

Two, the "market clearing price" will come back into play - since the cheating that the farmers (which are really just corporations at this point, forget the family-farmer image you might have in your brain) were doing with the illegals is gone, prices will go up and down based on supply of people's labor.

Possibly, since the farm-corps have some pull, they might hire non-violent prisoners from California prisons with assistance from CA politicians who will make this easier.

But more likely, there will be a few cycles of hourly wage increases, followed by more automation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 18, 2016, 01:09:57 AM

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/17/romney-and-trump-to-discuss-secretary-of-state-position-nbc-source-says.html

It's been the top headline of the DRUDGEREPORT all day long. Michael Savage and Alex Jones discussed it on their radio shows.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 18, 2016, 05:53:20 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 17, 2016, 08:49:39 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 16, 2016, 12:26:47 AM
What happen when you take the illegals out of the California fruit farms, who replaces them?

Rednecks, of course.

Of course, what TomT really means is everyone who voted for Trump. He likes to think he's a cut above them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 06:25:01 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 18, 2016, 05:53:20 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 17, 2016, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: Donhollio on November 16, 2016, 12:26:47 AM
What happen when you take the illegals out of the California fruit farms, who replaces them?

Rednecks, of course.
Of course, what TomT really means is everyone who voted for Trump. He likes to think he's a cut above them.

He's still butt hurt, what do you expect? And he clearly had Trump Associative Resistance Disorder. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 06:29:12 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 17, 2016, 07:02:27 AM

I think that you are maybe a little confused about what Trump does in life. ;)
In addition you seem confused about how a business functions.

Also, you are probably unaware of his professional training. He CERTAINLY has more relevant training and practical experience than the previous two incumbents - not that this is a high bar, but it sure as hell means your suggestion is without merit.

By the way, economic cycles are pretty much a given, no real way to stop them. What we can do is reduce the amplitude of the cycles and increase the wavelength. Both of these have been successfully implemented by western economies over the past generation. It'd be a fool who'd honestly suggest though that those changes were the personal responsibility of any individual head of government or state. The best that these people can do is create the environment in which others can operate effectively. Trump has already demonstrated a degree of deftness in this area that surpasses his rivals in both business and politics.

You previously claimed you do not believe Mexico will take back criminal illegals who've lost their passports. Easy peasy.

Anyhow he just had his first success at keeping jobs and a factory in the USA. His friend at Ford called him to say that they are no longer planning to move a factory to Mexico. They will keep it in Kentucky.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/799432403727028224

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 06:33:43 AM

Coal mines excited about a Trump Presidency.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-coal-idUSKBN13D17J

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 07:01:08 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 18, 2016, 01:09:57 AM

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/17/romney-and-trump-to-discuss-secretary-of-state-position-nbc-source-says.html

It's been the top headline of the DRUDGEREPORT all day long. Michael Savage and Alex Jones discussed it on their radio shows.

they are having a meeting as it is in Trump's interests to have more Mormon voters on his side next election and just in general to east the butt hurt rino's. Romney will not be offered sec. of state.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 07:02:11 AM

Meanwhile my local news has just announced Jeff Sessions of Alabama may be our next Attorney General.

New York Times confirms.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/19/us/politics/jeff-sessions-donald-trump-attorney-general.html?_r=0

expect a fight from the lefty's on this one.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 07:09:37 AM

New Balance shoe company one of few still made in the USA praised Trump and suffered the usual lefty backlash. Others said they will now purchase New Balance shoes.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2016/11/10/new-balance-burned-for-praising-trump-trade-stance/DHHWtLflI0Wxl9rtk4ZvGM/story.html?event=event25

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 07:29:25 AM

time for some humor.

https://twitter.com/TheHashtag0nist/status/797279634228396032

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 18, 2016, 07:35:01 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 06:29:12 AM

You previously claimed you do not believe Mexico will take back criminal illegals who've lost their passports. Easy peasy.

You might be thinking of somebody else, not I.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 18, 2016, 07:36:31 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 07:29:25 AM

time for some humor.

https://twitter.com/TheHashtag0nist/status/797279634228396032

One from the Brits, The John Lewis (a store) Christmas advert for TV is now as traditional as Christmas itself, here's a Hillary/Trump parody, have to very well made made...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 07:50:43 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 18, 2016, 07:35:01 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 06:29:12 AM

You previously claimed you do not believe Mexico will take back criminal illegals who've lost their passports. Easy peasy.

You might be thinking of somebody else, not I.

sorry, need more coffee. I meant the Ste guy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 07:53:21 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 18, 2016, 07:36:31 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 07:29:25 AM
time for some humor.

https://twitter.com/TheHashtag0nist/status/797279634228396032

One from the Brits, The John Lewis (a store) Christmas advert for TV is now as traditional as Christmas itself, here's a Hillary/Trump parody, have to very well made made...

I posted that over a week ago and Maxx (IIRC) posted it again about a few days ago. however it's a good one! :king:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 07:56:49 AM

speaking of coffee. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 08:04:13 AM

does this site have a computer help desk? oh wait, found the button here.

https://twitter.com/hautedamn/status/799021969677176834

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 18, 2016, 08:35:09 AM

The Trump magic seems to be on its way.

Trump Says Ford Called to Say It's Keeping SUV Plant in Kentucky
Keith Naughton
KeithNaughton
November 17, 2016 — 9:12 PM CST

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-18/trump-says-ford-called-to-say-keeping-lincoln-plant-in-kentucky

President-elect Donald Trump suggested on Twitter that he convinced Ford Motor Co. to keep production of a Lincoln sport utility vehicle in the U.S. instead of moving it to Mexico. And the automaker doesn’t dispute that.
“Just got a call from my friend Bill Ford, Chairman of Ford, who advised me that he will be keeping the Lincoln plant in Kentucky -- no Mexico,” Trump wrote in a Twitter post.
Ford builds the Lincoln MKC small SUV at its Louisville Assembly Plant in Kentucky alongside the Ford Escape SUV. Ford had never said it was considering shifting MKC production south of the border. But the company confirmed Friday that it had been “likely” to move the work to Mexico in 2019 when its current contract with the United Auto Workers union expires.
“We had planned to move the Lincoln MKC out of Louisville Assembly Plant," probably to the Cuautitlan factory in Mexico, Christin Baker, a Ford spokeswoman, said in an e-mail.

Trump has criticized Ford for planning to move all its North American small-car production to Mexico, where wages are 80 percent lower than in the U.S. Ford also builds the Lincoln MKZ sedan at a factory in Hermosillo, Mexico. During the campaign, Trump threatened to slap Ford’s Mexican-built cars with a 35 percent tariff. He also said he would terminate the North American Free Trade Agreement, which lets goods flow between Mexico, the U.S. and Canada without tariffs.

Automaker ‘Encouraged’

Ford, which has expressed a willingness to work with Trump since he was elected, confirmed late Thursday it told the future president the Lincoln SUV will stay in Kentucky.
“We are encouraged that President-elect Trump and the new Congress will pursue policies that will improve U.S. competitiveness and make it possible to keep production of this vehicle here in the U.S.,” the automaker said in an e-mailed statement.

Bill Ford met with Trump during the campaign in an unsuccessful attempt to get the candidate to stop targeting the automaker, which says it has created nearly 28,000 jobs in the U.S. during the past five years. In his first answer of the first debate with Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, Trump attacked the automaker for plans to move production of the Focus small car and C-Max hybrid from a plant in Michigan to Mexico.
“We are everything that he should be celebrating about this country,” Bill Ford told reporters in September. “We pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps, we paid back our borrowings, we are healthy again, we’ve been adding jobs in the U.S. and we are the largest manufacturer of cars and trucks in the U.S.”

It seems President elect Trump has accomplished more in 10 days than President Obama has in 3 years and 10 months.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 10:08:02 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 06:29:12 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 17, 2016, 07:02:27 AM
I think that you are maybe a little confused about what Trump does in life. ;)
In addition you seem confused about how a business functions.

Also, you are probably unaware of his professional training. He CERTAINLY has more relevant training and practical experience than the previous two incumbents - not that this is a high bar, but it sure as hell means your suggestion is without merit.

By the way, economic cycles are pretty much a given, no real way to stop them. What we can do is reduce the amplitude of the cycles and increase the wavelength. Both of these have been successfully implemented by western economies over the past generation. It'd be a fool who'd honestly suggest though that those changes were the personal responsibility of any individual head of government or state. The best that these people can do is create the environment in which others can operate effectively. Trump has already demonstrated a degree of deftness in this area that surpasses his rivals in both business and politics.

You previously claimed you do not believe Mexico will take back criminal illegals who've lost their passports. Easy peasy.

Anyhow he just had his first success at keeping jobs and a factory in the USA. His friend at Ford called him to say that they are no longer planning to move a factory to Mexico. They will keep it in Kentucky.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/799432403727028224

Maxx, I like your big bold print. And I already posted about the Ford plant staying in Kentucky. Detractors are noting that Ford still plans to build the Focus in Mexico.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 18, 2016, 10:22:21 AM

Donald Duck :ROFL:

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 18, 2016, 11:25:52 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 10:08:02 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 06:29:12 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on November 17, 2016, 07:02:27 AM
I think that you are maybe a little confused about what Trump does in life. ;)
In addition you seem confused about how a business functions.

Also, you are probably unaware of his professional training. He CERTAINLY has more relevant training and practical experience than the previous two incumbents - not that this is a high bar, but it sure as hell means your suggestion is without merit.

By the way, economic cycles are pretty much a given, no real way to stop them. What we can do is reduce the amplitude of the cycles and increase the wavelength. Both of these have been successfully implemented by western economies over the past generation. It'd be a fool who'd honestly suggest though that those changes were the personal responsibility of any individual head of government or state. The best that these people can do is create the environment in which others can operate effectively. Trump has already demonstrated a degree of deftness in this area that surpasses his rivals in both business and politics.

You previously claimed you do not believe Mexico will take back criminal illegals who've lost their passports. Easy peasy.

Anyhow he just had his first success at keeping jobs and a factory in the USA. His friend at Ford called him to say that they are no longer planning to move a factory to Mexico. They will keep it in Kentucky.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/799432403727028224

Maxx, I like your big bold print. And I already posted about the Ford plant staying in Kentucky. Detractors are noting that Ford still plans to build the Focus in Mexico.

I frequently follow in your wake I notice. I guess repetition is a good thing especially with big bold print and viewable youtubes on the page.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 02:56:00 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 18, 2016, 11:25:52 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 10:08:02 AM
Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 06:29:12 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on November 17, 2016, 07:02:27 AM
I think that you are maybe a little confused about what Trump does in life. ;)
In addition you seem confused about how a business functions.

Also, you are probably unaware of his professional training. He CERTAINLY has more relevant training and practical experience than the previous two incumbents - not that this is a high bar, but it sure as hell means your suggestion is without merit.

By the way, economic cycles are pretty much a given, no real way to stop them. What we can do is reduce the amplitude of the cycles and increase the wavelength. Both of these have been successfully implemented by western economies over the past generation. It'd be a fool who'd honestly suggest though that those changes were the personal responsibility of any individual head of government or state. The best that these people can do is create the environment in which others can operate effectively. Trump has already demonstrated a degree of deftness in this area that surpasses his rivals in both business and politics.

You previously claimed you do not believe Mexico will take back criminal illegals who've lost their passports. Easy peasy.

Anyhow he just had his first success at keeping jobs and a factory in the USA. His friend at Ford called him to say that they are no longer planning to move a factory to Mexico. They will keep it in Kentucky.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/799432403727028224

Maxx, I like your big bold print. And I already posted about the Ford plant staying in Kentucky. Detractors are noting that Ford still plans to build the Focus in Mexico.

I frequently follow in your wake I notice. I guess repetition is a good thing especially with big bold print and viewable youtubes on the page.

I agree about repetition. It helps it sink in for those with TARD. :laugh:

And you actually posted far more about it. Again good for those who claimed Trump could not accomplish his objectives. He's not even in office yet and as you noted accomplishing more good for the country than Hussein O. did in almost 8 years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 03:07:01 PM

As us Americans know the left is already up in arms over Trump's choice of Bannon. Wait until Jeff Sessions is trying to get through the Senate, they will be manufacturing slander against him. Meanwhile Trump is just picking choices which match up to what he said he would do for us, the American people. :coffeeread:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/steve-bannon-trump-tower-interview-trumps-strategist-plots-new-political-movement-948747

The focus on Bannon, if not necessarily the description, is right. He's the man with the idea. If Trumpism is to represent something intellectually and historically coherent, it's Bannon's job to make it so. In this, he could not be a less reassuring or more confusing figure for liberals — fiercely intelligent and yet reflexively drawn to the inverse of every liberal assumption and shibboleth. A working class kid, he enlists in the navy after high school, gets a degree from Virginia Tech, then Georgetown, then Harvard Business School. Then it's Goldman Sachs, then he's a dealmaker and entrepreneur in Hollywood — where, in an unlikely and very lucky deal match-up, he gets a lucrative piece of Seinfeld royalties, ensuring his own small fortune — then into the otherworld of the vast right-wing conspiracy and conservative media. (He partners with David Bossie, a congressional investigator of President Clinton, who later spearheaded the Citizens United lawsuit that effectively removed the cap on campaign spending, and who now, as the deputy campaign manager, is in the office next to Bannon's.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 18, 2016, 03:11:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 10:08:02 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 06:29:12 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on November 17, 2016, 07:02:27 AM
I think that you are maybe a little confused about what Trump does in life. ;)
In addition you seem confused about how a business functions.

Also, you are probably unaware of his professional training. He CERTAINLY has more relevant training and practical experience than the previous two incumbents - not that this is a high bar, but it sure as hell means your suggestion is without merit.

By the way, economic cycles are pretty much a given, no real way to stop them. What we can do is reduce the amplitude of the cycles and increase the wavelength. Both of these have been successfully implemented by western economies over the past generation. It'd be a fool who'd honestly suggest though that those changes were the personal responsibility of any individual head of government or state. The best that these people can do is create the environment in which others can operate effectively. Trump has already demonstrated a degree of deftness in this area that surpasses his rivals in both business and politics.

You previously claimed you do not believe Mexico will take back criminal illegals who've lost their passports. Easy peasy.

Anyhow he just had his first success at keeping jobs and a factory in the USA. His friend at Ford called him to say that they are no longer planning to move a factory to Mexico. They will keep it in Kentucky.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/799432403727028224

Maxx, I like your big bold print. And I already posted about the Ford plant staying in Kentucky. Detractors are noting that Ford still plans to build the Focus in Mexico.

In one sense, I feel sorry for Ford, they are trying to get the Focus built as economically as they possibly can, and really, Mexico is the only place near to the US who are able to do this...
The problem with building it in the US, is the unions, they are the ones who I feel are responsible for Ford taking this action, as they are not prepared to work with the company to allow modernisation of the assembly lines and have workers lose their jobs...
The factory where they build the focus in the US, is so outdated and inefficient.
The Kentucky factory is small, inefficient, out dated, but not much of a load to carry by Ford to keep it open, the numbers built there are small, its being left only to appease....
All IMHO of course....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 03:19:46 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 18, 2016, 03:11:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 10:08:02 AM
Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 06:29:12 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on November 17, 2016, 07:02:27 AM
I think that you are maybe a little confused about what Trump does in life. ;)
In addition you seem confused about how a business functions.

Also, you are probably unaware of his professional training. He CERTAINLY has more relevant training and practical experience than the previous two incumbents - not that this is a high bar, but it sure as hell means your suggestion is without merit.

By the way, economic cycles are pretty much a given, no real way to stop them. What we can do is reduce the amplitude of the cycles and increase the wavelength. Both of these have been successfully implemented by western economies over the past generation. It'd be a fool who'd honestly suggest though that those changes were the personal responsibility of any individual head of government or state. The best that these people can do is create the environment in which others can operate effectively. Trump has already demonstrated a degree of deftness in this area that surpasses his rivals in both business and politics.

You previously claimed you do not believe Mexico will take back criminal illegals who've lost their passports. Easy peasy.

Anyhow he just had his first success at keeping jobs and a factory in the USA. His friend at Ford called him to say that they are no longer planning to move a factory to Mexico. They will keep it in Kentucky.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/799432403727028224

Maxx, I like your big bold print. And I already posted about the Ford plant staying in Kentucky. Detractors are noting that Ford still plans to build the Focus in Mexico.

In one sense, I feel sorry for Ford, they are trying to get the Focus built as economically as they possibly can, and really, Mexico is the only place near to the US who are able to do this...
The problem with building it in the US, is the unions, they are the ones who I feel are responsible for Ford taking this action, as they are not prepared to work with the company to allow modernisation of the assembly lines and have workers lose their jobs...
The factory where they build the focus in the US, is so outdated and inefficient.
The Kentucky factory is small, inefficient, out dated, but not much of a load to carry by Ford to keep it open, the numbers built there are small, its being left only to appease....
All IMHO of course....

well you are completely correct. what has actually happened so far is a trade off. the focus will still be built in Mexico, but the large Lincoln luxury SUV will be built in Kentucky. Trump (as he often does) just left part of the story off.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 18, 2016, 03:27:01 PM

Liberals are just another form of terrorist. These protests against Trump should be dealt with in a firm manner.
President Obama should be focused on events here rather than taking smack over in Europe.

Soros Fingerprints All Over #NotMyPresident Protests

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/soros-fingerprints-all-over-notmypresident-protests/ri17676

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 18, 2016, 03:40:33 PM

So I treated myself to a couple of tomes from the Donald.

First one has arrived..........

[attachimg=1]

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 03:44:16 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 18, 2016, 03:40:33 PM

So I treated myself to a couple of tomes from the Donald.

First one has arrived..........

(Attachment Link)

looks cool. ;D Amazon?

The Art of the Deal is the classic one.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 18, 2016, 03:45:52 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 03:44:16 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 18, 2016, 03:40:33 PM
So I treated myself to a couple of tomes from the Donald.

First one has arrived..........

(Attachment Link)

looks cool. ;D Amazon?

Indeed. Previously enjoyed but mint, a snip at under a tenner delivered. I ordered both before he won as I expected prices may rise after.

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 03:44:16 PM

The Art of the Deal is the classic one.

That's the other one I ordered, but as it ships from the US it will be another week or so.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 18, 2016, 03:50:01 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2016, 03:44:16 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 18, 2016, 03:40:33 PM
So I treated myself to a couple of tomes from the Donald.

First one has arrived..........

(Attachment Link)

looks cool. ;D Amazon?

The Art of the Deal is the classic one.

Didn't someone make a film based rather loosely on the book??

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 18, 2016, 04:02:56 PM

Trump had the Prime Minister of Japan drop by today at home. As you do..........

https://www.instagram.com/p/BM7x2JID596/

Looks like other good work has started as well.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BM74EwHjOS0/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 18, 2016, 04:15:38 PM

Just finished filling out a survey sent out by the Donald Trump team.
It's for his first 100 days in office, and what is most important to try and accomplish first.
Trump is listening, and wants the opinions of those that support him.
It's very refreshing to have an elected official,that might actually keep some of his campaign promises.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 18, 2016, 04:17:20 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 18, 2016, 04:15:38 PM

Just finished filling out a survey sent out by the Donald Trump team.

Is there a link to it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 18, 2016, 04:26:19 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 18, 2016, 04:17:20 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 18, 2016, 04:15:38 PM
Just finished filling out a survey sent out by the Donald Trump team.

Is there a link to it?

https://action.trump2016.com/survey/100-day-plan-action-survey/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ELC_elections-2016_100-day-plan-action-survey&utm_content=111816-hund-day-plan-djt-jfc-p-p-hf-e-1&utm_source=e_p-p

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 18, 2016, 04:52:02 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 18, 2016, 04:26:19 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 18, 2016, 04:17:20 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on November 18, 2016, 04:15:38 PM
Just finished filling out a survey sent out by the Donald Trump team.

Is there a link to it?

https://action.trump2016.com/survey/100-day-plan-action-survey/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ELC_elections-2016_100-day-plan-action-survey&utm_content=111816-hund-day-plan-djt-jfc-p-p-hf-e-1&utm_source=e_p-p

tiphat

If anyone not in the US needs a zip code, choose here (http://www.unitedstateszipcodes.org/).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on November 18, 2016, 05:12:24 PM

Quote

he suggested that people supporting “the Orange Man” form their own country called “the United States of Moronic :censored: ing Assholes,”

Quote

But if you’re voting for Trump, it’s time for the urn.”

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/michael-shannon-tells-trump-supporters-214000466.html

:censored:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 06:19:23 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on November 18, 2016, 05:12:24 PM

Quote
he suggested that people supporting “the Orange Man” form their own country called “the United States of Moronic :censored: ing Assholes,”

Quote
But if you’re voting for Trump, it’s time for the urn.”

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/michael-shannon-tells-trump-supporters-214000466.html

:censored:

most "celebrities" are brain dead morons like him. who cares what he thinks? a celebrity for me is only a wind up monkey. I want them to sing, dance and act but other than that be quiet. they are not real people to me. just wind up monkey's sitting on a shelf. :laugh:

who knows, maybe with Trump as President we'll finally have some diversity in Hollywood and more Republicans will be hired!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 07:01:12 PM

Looks like she really was a bag lady. And Tom voted for this. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 08:11:36 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on November 18, 2016, 05:12:24 PM

Quote
he suggested that people supporting “the Orange Man” form their own country called “the United States of Moronic :censored: ing Assholes,”

Quote
But if you’re voting for Trump, it’s time for the urn.”

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/michael-shannon-tells-trump-supporters-214000466.html

:censored:

I found a much better answer to this D list actor.

It is MOLON LABE, which in Greek means, "come and take".

http://madworldnews.com/moron-wished-death-trump-voters/

The phrase is Greek and legendary. Xerxes, King of Persia, demanded that the Spartans surrender their weapons and King Leonidas I responded with this phrase. It’s become a standard phrase gun owners use when threatened, meaning at least one Trump voter is confident that D-list celebrity Michael Shannon won’t be posing a threat to him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2016, 08:25:22 PM

Who needs Saudi Arabia? Trump said we might get tired of winning. Considering that he will allow oil and natural gas companies to do their jobs here in the USA (as opposed to always relying on middle east countries), this is going to be a huge win.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/11/16/502337471/usgs-announces-its-largest-oil-and-gas-discovery-ever?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 18, 2016, 08:38:58 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on November 18, 2016, 05:12:24 PM

Quote
he suggested that people supporting “the Orange Man” form their own country called “the United States of Moronic :censored: ing Assholes,”

Quote
But if you’re voting for Trump, it’s time for the urn.”

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/michael-shannon-tells-trump-supporters-214000466.html

:censored:

An interesting actor that is totally out of his mind.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 19, 2016, 01:40:41 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 18, 2016, 05:53:20 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 17, 2016, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: Donhollio on November 16, 2016, 12:26:47 AM
What happen when you take the illegals out of the California fruit farms, who replaces them?

Rednecks, of course.
Of course, what TomT really means is everyone who voted for Trump. He likes to think he's a cut above them.

The etymology of the term, "redneck," is a farm worker whose neck is sunburned from bending over whilst working in the fields. It wasn't until relatively modern times that it became synonymous with "white trash."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 19, 2016, 01:45:55 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 19, 2016, 01:40:41 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 18, 2016, 05:53:20 AM
Quote from: TomT on November 17, 2016, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: Donhollio on November 16, 2016, 12:26:47 AM
What happen when you take the illegals out of the California fruit farms, who replaces them?

Rednecks, of course.
Of course, what TomT really means is everyone who voted for Trump. He likes to think he's a cut above them.

The etymology of the term, "redneck," is a farm worker whose neck is sunburned from bending over whilst working in the fields. It wasn't until relatively modern times that it became synonymous with "white trash."

He'd be named 'Redbumcrack' now given the current penchant for trousers hanging off ones arse so low you can almost see the anus.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 19, 2016, 03:39:55 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 19, 2016, 01:40:41 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 18, 2016, 05:53:20 AM
Quote from: TomT on November 17, 2016, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: Donhollio on November 16, 2016, 12:26:47 AM
What happen when you take the illegals out of the California fruit farms, who replaces them?

Rednecks, of course.
Of course, what TomT really means is everyone who voted for Trump. He likes to think he's a cut above them.

The etymology of the term, "redneck," is a farm worker whose neck is sunburned from bending over whilst working in the fields. It wasn't until relatively modern times that it became synonymous with "white trash."

It ain't all negative.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 19, 2016, 04:53:00 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 19, 2016, 01:40:41 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 18, 2016, 05:53:20 AM
Quote from: TomT on November 17, 2016, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: Donhollio on November 16, 2016, 12:26:47 AM
What happen when you take the illegals out of the California fruit farms, who replaces them?

Rednecks, of course.
Of course, what TomT really means is everyone who voted for Trump. He likes to think he's a cut above them.

The etymology of the term, "redneck," is a farm worker whose neck is sunburned from bending over whilst working in the fields. It wasn't until relatively modern times that it became synonymous with "white trash."

I think one can safely infer the meaning you intended.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 19, 2016, 06:25:30 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 19, 2016, 03:39:55 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 19, 2016, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 18, 2016, 05:53:20 AM
Quote from: TomT on November 17, 2016, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: Donhollio on November 16, 2016, 12:26:47 AM
What happen when you take the illegals out of the California fruit farms, who replaces them?

Rednecks, of course.
Of course, what TomT really means is everyone who voted for Trump. He likes to think he's a cut above them.

The etymology of the term, "redneck," is a farm worker whose neck is sunburned from bending over whilst working in the fields. It wasn't until relatively modern times that it became synonymous with "white trash."

It ain't all negative.

Some redneck songs 'Pickup Man' and 'Trashy Women'

Well, I was raised in a sophisticated kind of style.
Yeah, my taste in music and women drove my folks half wild.
Mom and Dad had a plan for me,
It was debutantes and celebraties,
But I like my music hot and like my women wild.

Yeah, an' I like my women just a little on the trashy side,
When they wear their clothes too tight and their hair is dyed.
Too much lipstick an' er too much rouge,
Gets me excited, leaves me feeling confused.
An' I like my women just a little on the trashy side.

You should've seen the looks on the faces of my Dad and Mom,
When I showed up at the door with a date for the senior prom.
They said: "Well, pardon us, son, she ain't no kid.
That's a cocktail waitress in a Dolly Parton wig."
I said: "I know it, dad. Ain't she cool, That's the kind I dig."

Yeah, an' I like my women just a little on the trashy side,
When they wear their clothes too tight and their hair is dyed.
Too much lipstick an' er too much rouge,
Gets me excited, leaves me feeling confused.
An' I like my women just a little on the trashy side.

Instrumental break.

I like 'em sweet, I like 'em with a heart of gold.
Yeah an' I like 'em brassy, I like 'em brazen and bold.
Well, they say that opposites attract, well, I don't agree
I want a woman just as tacky as me.
Yeah, I like my women just a little on the trashy side.

Yeah, an' I like my women just a little on the trashy side,
When they wear their clothes too tight and their hair is dyed.
Too much lipstick an' er too much rouge,
Gets me excited, leaves me feeling confused.
An' I like my women just a little on the trashy side.

Yeah, I like my women an' I like 'em on the trashy side.

And Junior Brown's 'My Wife Thinks You're Dead'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 19, 2016, 09:24:16 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 19, 2016, 04:53:00 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 19, 2016, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 18, 2016, 05:53:20 AM
Quote from: TomT on November 17, 2016, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: Donhollio on November 16, 2016, 12:26:47 AM
What happen when you take the illegals out of the California fruit farms, who replaces them?

Rednecks, of course.
Of course, what TomT really means is everyone who voted for Trump. He likes to think he's a cut above them.

The etymology of the term, "redneck," is a farm worker whose neck is sunburned from bending over whilst working in the fields. It wasn't until relatively modern times that it became synonymous with "white trash."
I think one can safely infer the meaning you intended.

Picking fruit... farm workers
It shouldn't be difficult to connect the dots.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 20, 2016, 08:26:11 AM

Quote from: TomT on November 19, 2016, 09:24:16 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 19, 2016, 04:53:00 PM
Quote from: TomT on November 19, 2016, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 18, 2016, 05:53:20 AM
Quote from: TomT on November 17, 2016, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: Donhollio on November 16, 2016, 12:26:47 AM
What happen when you take the illegals out of the California fruit farms, who replaces them?

Rednecks, of course.
Of course, what TomT really means is everyone who voted for Trump. He likes to think he's a cut above them.

The etymology of the term, "redneck," is a farm worker whose neck is sunburned from bending over whilst working in the fields. It wasn't until relatively modern times that it became synonymous with "white trash."
I think one can safely infer the meaning you intended.

Picking fruit... farm workers
It shouldn't be difficult to connect the dots.

no, it really should not einstein. Let me be first to predict that after Trump wins reelection in 2020, he will hand pick his successor who will also serve 8 years. 16 years straight of Republican domination, which is what real Americans want.

https://twitter.com/dbongino/status/800349119357349888

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 20, 2016, 08:38:44 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3952904/Trump-arrives-New-Jersey-golf-club-transition-team-talks.html

Romney getting cozy with Trump.
Huckabee says if Trump picks Romney for Secretary of State it will be an insult to his voters. Reince Priebus for the powerful Chief of Staff position seems bad enough. What do you make of this Confederate?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 20, 2016, 09:36:28 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 20, 2016, 08:38:44 AM

Huckabee says if Trump picks Romney for Secretary of State it will be an insult to his voters. Reince Priebus for the powerful Chief of Staff position seems bad enough.

I think the purpose of this meeting is for Trump to give Romney a sign of respect and for Romney the opportunity to "kiss Trump's ring" and become relevant again. I don't think he's SERIOUSLY considering either Giuliani or Romney for Secretary of State.

Based on his experience and conservative views, Bolton appears to be the obvious choice.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 20, 2016, 10:02:02 AM

Is Trump considering to put tariffs on imported oil?

Second, Al-Falih has already criticized President-elect Trump for his position on oil imports. On the campaign trail, Trump claimed he would limit oil imports to the U.S., preferring instead to rely on domestic production.

http://oilandenergyinvestor.com/2016/11/why-the-opec-oil-deal-is-now-in-doubt/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 20, 2016, 10:13:49 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 20, 2016, 09:36:28 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 20, 2016, 08:38:44 AM
Huckabee says if Trump picks Romney for Secretary of State it will be an insult to his voters. Reince Priebus for the powerful Chief of Staff position seems bad enough.

I think the purpose of this meeting is for Trump to give Romney a sign of respect and for Romney the opportunity to "kiss Trump's ring" and become relevant again. I don't think he's SERIOUSLY considering either Giuliani or Romney for Secretary of State.

Based on his experience and conservative views, Bolton appears to be the obvious choice.

Exactly. The meeting was about "signaling" and building a coalition. I doubt if Romney will be chosen for Sec. of State.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 20, 2016, 10:36:57 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 19, 2016, 04:53:00 PM

Quote from: TomT on November 19, 2016, 01:40:41 PM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 18, 2016, 05:53:20 AM
Quote from: TomT on November 17, 2016, 08:49:39 PM
Quote from: Donhollio on November 16, 2016, 12:26:47 AM
What happen when you take the illegals out of the California fruit farms, who replaces them?

Rednecks, of course.
Of course, what TomT really means is everyone who voted for Trump. He likes to think he's a cut above them.

The etymology of the term, "redneck," is a farm worker whose neck is sunburned from bending over whilst working in the fields. It wasn't until relatively modern times that it became synonymous with "white trash."
I think one can safely infer the meaning you intended.

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/11/northeast-liberals-should-visit-the-rest-of-the-country?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=crfb&utm_content=112016travelcountry

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 20, 2016, 10:50:57 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2016, 10:02:02 AM

Is Trump considering to put tariffs on imported oil?

Second, Al-Falih has already criticized President-elect Trump for his position on oil imports. On the campaign trail, Trump claimed he would limit oil imports to the U.S., preferring instead to rely on domestic production.

http://oilandenergyinvestor.com/2016/11/why-the-opec-oil-deal-is-now-in-doubt/

Putting a tariff on oil from Saudi Arabia, the world's largest sponsor of ISIS and other terrorists, would be fine with me.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 20, 2016, 04:00:42 PM

A tariff on imported oil would increase prices in the US market and give unconventional oil producers the margins they need in order to survive and thrive. Assuming that current estimates of reserves are reasonably accurate that'd serve to displace imported oil.

Maybe, in retaliation, the Saudis would close down their US refining capacity though. That'd piss on the cornflakes of Mr & Mrs United States.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 20, 2016, 07:18:04 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 20, 2016, 04:00:42 PM

A tariff on imported oil would increase prices in the US market and give unconventional oil producers the margins they need in order to survive and thrive. Assuming that current estimates of reserves are reasonably accurate that'd serve to displace imported oil.

Maybe, in retaliation, the Saudis would close down their US refining capacity though. That'd piss on the cornflakes of Mr & Mrs United States.

The Saudis might find this just a little expensive. Price of oil drops and they make up for by shutting down profitable refineries. The US is the worlds largest refining country exports excess refined oil products. It might not be US cars that do not have gasoline.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 20, 2016, 09:04:55 PM

Trump related to Rurik, the founder of modern Russia? :laugh:

http://www.realclearlife.com/2016/11/17/donald-trump-related-viking-rorik/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on November 21, 2016, 12:43:02 AM

Placing a tariff on imported oil to protect the US Shale industry would result in the USA losing the last allies it has in the Middle East...

Trump is not stupid! It will never happen :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 02:09:08 AM

I was not advocating an action. I was noting the effects of the action.

Some, including Trump, do question whether the Saudis are allies of the United States. It is clear that the value of that relationship is being questioned and the answer to the question would inform the discussion about tariffs in an administration minded to step back from a lowered tariff paradigm. We should remember that the US, for all its noise about 'free trade' remains a keen user of tariffs to protect indigenous industry.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2016, 08:30:53 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 02:09:08 AM

I was not advocating an action. I was noting the effects of the action.

Some, including Trump, do question whether the Saudis are allies of the United States. It is clear that the value of that relationship is being questioned and the answer to the question would inform the discussion about tariffs in an administration minded to step back from a lowered tariff paradigm. We should remember that the US, for all its noise about 'free trade' remains a keen user of tariffs to protect indigenous industry.

This relationship needs to be sorted out, that's for sure.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 21, 2016, 09:13:03 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 21, 2016, 08:30:53 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 02:09:08 AM
I was not advocating an action. I was noting the effects of the action.

Some, including Trump, do question whether the Saudis are allies of the United States. It is clear that the value of that relationship is being questioned and the answer to the question would inform the discussion about tariffs in an administration minded to step back from a lowered tariff paradigm. We should remember that the US, for all its noise about 'free trade' remains a keen user of tariffs to protect indigenous industry.

This relationship needs to be sorted out, that's for sure.

Don't forget that they are fighting a war with Yemen for us.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 21, 2016, 09:18:10 AM

The anti-trump lobby continues:

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/27076802/__Trump_is_kleinzoon_van__illegale__immigrant__.html

Illegal immigrant? nope, a completely legal + citizenship of USA immigrant.

But people remember the headline, not the content.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 09:30:19 AM

And what significant USAian interest is being defended in Yemen?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 21, 2016, 09:36:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 09:30:19 AM

And what significant USAian interest is being defended in Yemen?

I have no idea how it affects USAian. I don't know how is affects Americans either. I guess you need to do your own research on this. If I were you I would start a search for USAian and Yemen first.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2016, 11:00:57 AM

Quote from: yankee on November 21, 2016, 09:36:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 09:30:19 AM
And what significant USAian interest is being defended in Yemen?

I have no idea how it affects USAian. I don't know how is affects Americans either. I guess you need to do your own research on this. If I were you I would start a search for USAian and Yemen first.

USAian is not a word. A search turns up US, USA or US aid. I did find this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/samuel-ramani/why-putin-is-keeping-a-cl_b_12184874.html

and this.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/10/14/world/middleeast/yemen-saudi-arabia-us-airstrikes.html?_r=0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2016, 11:30:16 AM

I wasn't sure where to put this. It would be nice to know what the conversation was. Something like: "Hey asshole, your party lost the election because you suck and we don't appreciate your efforts to blame Russia".

"and by the way, thanks for the gift of Snowden, the red line in the sand, and all your other BS".

http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/obama-and-putin-trade-stone-cold-stares-in-tense-standoff/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 01:28:19 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 21, 2016, 09:36:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 09:30:19 AM
And what significant USAian interest is being defended in Yemen?

I have no idea how it affects USAian. I don't know how is affects Americans either. I guess you need to do your own research on this. If I were you I would start a search for USAian and Yemen first.

YOU, YOU were the one who said that the Saudis were fighting a war with Yemen on behalf of the US.

What makes you think that?
What is happening is that you are having more fact lite fantasies.
This is an American disease.

You make a statement as fact without having any factual basis for the point.
Over here in civilisation that's what kids do before they learn to think. :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2016, 01:36:47 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 01:28:19 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 21, 2016, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 09:30:19 AM
And what significant USAian interest is being defended in Yemen?

I have no idea how it affects USAian. I don't know how is affects Americans either. I guess you need to do your own research on this. If I were you I would start a search for USAian and Yemen first.

YOU, YOU were the one who said that the Saudis were fighting a war with Yemen on behalf of the US.

What makes you think that?
What is happening is that you are having more fact lite fantasies.
This is an American disease.

You make a statement as fact without having any factual basis for the point.
Over here in civilisation that's what kids do before they learn to think. :'(

I don't want to be involved in a spat however it looks to me like the USA is fighting on behalf of SA more than the other way around. We've been pulled into this as they are our ally. I could be wrong, I have not researched it and even if I did, could I trust what I read about it? After witnessing our election, all msm sources are suspect. Who to believe? :hidechair:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 21, 2016, 02:06:27 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 01:28:19 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 21, 2016, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 09:30:19 AM
And what significant USAian interest is being defended in Yemen?

I have no idea how it affects USAian. I don't know how is affects Americans either. I guess you need to do your own research on this. If I were you I would start a search for USAian and Yemen first.

YOU, YOU were the one who said that the Saudis were fighting a war with Yemen on behalf of the US.

What makes you think that?
What is happening is that you are having more fact lite fantasies.
This is an American disease.

You make a statement as fact without having any factual basis for the point.
Over here in civilisation that's what kids do before they learn to think. :'(

so you did not know that Saudi was at war with Yemen? I thought everyone knew that! That is a shame. I thought you were and expert in every thing. Now I am disappointed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 21, 2016, 02:14:16 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 21, 2016, 02:06:27 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
Quote from: yankee on November 21, 2016, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 09:30:19 AM
And what significant USAian interest is being defended in Yemen?

I have no idea how it affects USAian. I don't know how is affects Americans either. I guess you need to do your own research on this. If I were you I would start a search for USAian and Yemen first.

YOU, YOU were the one who said that the Saudis were fighting a war with Yemen on behalf of the US.

What makes you think that?
What is happening is that you are having more fact lite fantasies.
This is an American disease.

You make a statement as fact without having any factual basis for the point.
Over here in civilisation that's what kids do before they learn to think. :'(

so you did not know that Saudi was at war with Yemen? I thought everyone knew that! That is a shame. I thought you were and expert in every thing. Now I am disappointed.

Oceania was at war with Eastasia: Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.

Smoke and mirrors!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2016, 03:02:37 PM

Hillary had to be restrained and then sedated on election night. Allegedly she tried to physically assault two of her campaign people. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 04:16:03 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 21, 2016, 02:06:27 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
Quote from: yankee on November 21, 2016, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 09:30:19 AM
And what significant USAian interest is being defended in Yemen?

I have no idea how it affects USAian. I don't know how is affects Americans either. I guess you need to do your own research on this. If I were you I would start a search for USAian and Yemen first.

YOU, YOU were the one who said that the Saudis were fighting a war with Yemen on behalf of the US.

What makes you think that?
What is happening is that you are having more fact lite fantasies.
This is an American disease.

You make a statement as fact without having any factual basis for the point.
Over here in civilisation that's what kids do before they learn to think. :'(

so you did not know that Saudi was at war with Yemen? I thought everyone knew that! That is a shame. I thought you were and expert in every thing. Now I am disappointed.

Yankee, why pretend to be more daft than you really are - at least I hope that you are pretending!
YOU told us that the Saudis were acting on the behalf of the United States and then told us that you had no idea that this was the case.

Suggesting that I was unaware that there was a war going on between the Saudis and Yemen is just silly - again and also irrelevant to the point that you were fantasising about.
Do you honestly believe what you write or do you think you demonstrate some kind of intelligence, some kind of knowledge?

Go back, start again and this time work with facts. Here's a news source that you might find appropriate to your needs and capabilities: http://www.timeforkids.com/news

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 21, 2016, 04:22:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 21, 2016, 03:02:37 PM

Hillary had to be restrained and then sedated on election night. Allegedly she tried to physically assault two of her campaign people. :chuckle:

These are GREAT times to be alive!

Here is another gem that happened today

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MEDIA EXCLUSIVE THE TRUMP TRANSITION
Donald Trump’s media summit was a ‘f—ing firing squad’
By Emily Smith and Daniel Halper November 21, 2016 | 5:12pm | Updated
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THE TRUMP TRANSITION

Media elite head to Trump Tower

Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sitdown on Monday, sources told The Post.

“It was like a f–ing firing squad,” one source said of the encounter.

“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ” the source said.

“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added.

A second source confirmed the fireworks.

“The meeting took place in a big board room and there were about 30 or 40 people, including the big news anchors from all the networks,” the other source said.

“Trump kept saying, ‘We’re in a room of liars, the deceitful dishonest media who got it all wrong.’ He addressed everyone in the room calling the media dishonest, deceitful liars. He called out Jeff Zucker by name and said everyone at CNN was a liar, and CNN was [a] network of liars,” the source said.

“Trump didn’t say [NBC reporter] Katy Tur by name, but talked about an NBC female correspondent who got it wrong, then he referred to a horrible network correspondent who cried when Hillary lost who hosted a debate – which was Martha Raddatz who was also in the room.”

The stunned reporters tried to get a word in edgewise to discuss access to a Trump Administration.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 21, 2016, 04:26:19 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 21, 2016, 04:22:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 21, 2016, 03:02:37 PM
Hillary had to be restrained and then sedated on election night. Allegedly she tried to physically assault two of her campaign people. :chuckle:

These are GREAT times to be alive!

Here is another gem that happened today

FacebookTwitterGoogleEmailCopy
MEDIA EXCLUSIVE THE TRUMP TRANSITION
Donald Trump’s media summit was a ‘f—ing firing squad’
By Emily Smith and Daniel Halper November 21, 2016 | 5:12pm | Updated
MORE ON:
THE TRUMP TRANSITION

Media elite head to Trump Tower

Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sitdown on Monday, sources told The Post.

“It was like a f–ing firing squad,” one source said of the encounter.

“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ” the source said.

“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added.

A second source confirmed the fireworks.

“The meeting took place in a big board room and there were about 30 or 40 people, including the big news anchors from all the networks,” the other source said.

“Trump kept saying, ‘We’re in a room of liars, the deceitful dishonest media who got it all wrong.’ He addressed everyone in the room calling the media dishonest, deceitful liars. He called out Jeff Zucker by name and said everyone at CNN was a liar, and CNN was [a] network of liars,” the source said.

“Trump didn’t say [NBC reporter] Katy Tur by name, but talked about an NBC female correspondent who got it wrong, then he referred to a horrible network correspondent who cried when Hillary lost who hosted a debate – which was Martha Raddatz who was also in the room.”

The stunned reporters tried to get a word in edgewise to discuss access to a Trump Administration.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

Trump does not take crap from anyone. The network T.V.news made no mention of this meeting.
Once again trying to cover their bias.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 21, 2016, 05:18:49 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 04:16:03 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 21, 2016, 02:06:27 PM
Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
Quote from: yankee on November 21, 2016, 09:36:00 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on November 21, 2016, 09:30:19 AM
And what significant USAian interest is being defended in Yemen?

I have no idea how it affects USAian. I don't know how is affects Americans either. I guess you need to do your own research on this. If I were you I would start a search for USAian and Yemen first.

YOU, YOU were the one who said that the Saudis were fighting a war with Yemen on behalf of the US.

What makes you think that?
What is happening is that you are having more fact lite fantasies.
This is an American disease.

You make a statement as fact without having any factual basis for the point.
Over here in civilisation that's what kids do before they learn to think. :'(

so you did not know that Saudi was at war with Yemen? I thought everyone knew that! That is a shame. I thought you were and expert in every thing. Now I am disappointed.

Yankee, why pretend to be more daft than you really are - at least I hope that you are pretending!
YOU told us that the Saudis were acting on the behalf of the United States and then told us that you had no idea that this was the case.

Suggesting that I was unaware that there was a war going on between the Saudis and Yemen is just silly - again and also irrelevant to the point that you were fantasising about.
Do you honestly believe what you write or do you think you demonstrate some kind of intelligence, some kind of knowledge?

Go back, start again and this time work with facts. Here's a news source that you might find appropriate to your needs and capabilities: http://www.timeforkids.com/news

I was referring to your use of USAian. don't know why but it irritates me.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2016, 07:06:01 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 21, 2016, 04:22:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 21, 2016, 03:02:37 PM
Hillary had to be restrained and then sedated on election night. Allegedly she tried to physically assault two of her campaign people. :chuckle:

These are GREAT times to be alive!

Here is another gem that happened today

FacebookTwitterGoogleEmailCopy
MEDIA EXCLUSIVE THE TRUMP TRANSITION
Donald Trump’s media summit was a ‘f—ing firing squad’
By Emily Smith and Daniel Halper November 21, 2016 | 5:12pm | Updated
MORE ON:
THE TRUMP TRANSITION

Media elite head to Trump Tower

Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sitdown on Monday, sources told The Post.

“It was like a f–ing firing squad,” one source said of the encounter.

“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ” the source said.

“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added.

A second source confirmed the fireworks.

“The meeting took place in a big board room and there were about 30 or 40 people, including the big news anchors from all the networks,” the other source said.

“Trump kept saying, ‘We’re in a room of liars, the deceitful dishonest media who got it all wrong.’ He addressed everyone in the room calling the media dishonest, deceitful liars. He called out Jeff Zucker by name and said everyone at CNN was a liar, and CNN was [a] network of liars,” the source said.

“Trump didn’t say [NBC reporter] Katy Tur by name, but talked about an NBC female correspondent who got it wrong, then he referred to a horrible network correspondent who cried when Hillary lost who hosted a debate – which was Martha Raddatz who was also in the room.”

The stunned reporters tried to get a word in edgewise to discuss access to a Trump Administration.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

Wow! Look at the photos of those "journalists". They all looked like the got a good a$$ f&^%$#@. Great post Maxx! That made my day.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2016, 07:07:22 PM

Moderator: is there something wrong with they system? I wanted to post a political cartoon, but the attachment function is not working, apparently. (?)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 21, 2016, 09:10:16 PM

An interesting piece of history about Trumps family at the turn of the century not being able to stay in Germany.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/historian-finds-german-decree-banishing-trumps-grandfather/ar-AAkAwgg?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on November 21, 2016, 09:24:25 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 21, 2016, 04:26:19 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 21, 2016, 04:22:28 PM
Quote from: Confederate on November 21, 2016, 03:02:37 PM
Hillary had to be restrained and then sedated on election night. Allegedly she tried to physically assault two of her campaign people. :chuckle:

These are GREAT times to be alive!

Here is another gem that happened today

FacebookTwitterGoogleEmailCopy
MEDIA EXCLUSIVE THE TRUMP TRANSITION
Donald Trump’s media summit was a ‘f—ing firing squad’
By Emily Smith and Daniel Halper November 21, 2016 | 5:12pm | Updated
MORE ON:
THE TRUMP TRANSITION

Media elite head to Trump Tower

Donald Trump scolded media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower sitdown on Monday, sources told The Post.

“It was like a f–ing firing squad,” one source said of the encounter.

“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ” the source said.

“The meeting was a total disaster. The TV execs and anchors went in there thinking they would be discussing the access they would get to the Trump administration, but instead they got a Trump-style dressing down,” the source added.

A second source confirmed the fireworks.

“The meeting took place in a big board room and there were about 30 or 40 people, including the big news anchors from all the networks,” the other source said.

“Trump kept saying, ‘We’re in a room of liars, the deceitful dishonest media who got it all wrong.’ He addressed everyone in the room calling the media dishonest, deceitful liars. He called out Jeff Zucker by name and said everyone at CNN was a liar, and CNN was [a] network of liars,” the source said.

“Trump didn’t say [NBC reporter] Katy Tur by name, but talked about an NBC female correspondent who got it wrong, then he referred to a horrible network correspondent who cried when Hillary lost who hosted a debate – which was Martha Raddatz who was also in the room.”

The stunned reporters tried to get a word in edgewise to discuss access to a Trump Administration.

http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

Trump does not take crap from anyone. The network T.V.news made no mention of this meeting.
Once again trying to cover their bias.

No TomCopy. Had you read this with an open mind you would if realised one paragraph that said it was an off the record meeting. Therefor details of the meeting are not discussed. There is no conspiracy. Just read and take the blinders off.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2016, 10:44:30 PM

^Off the record doesn't mean they won't gossip about it. New York Times has covered it and said similar to the New York Post article. :coffeeread:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/business/media/trump-summons-tv-figures-for-private-meeting-and-lets-them-have-it.html?_r=0

Kellyanne Conway disputes the version given by the NY Post.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/aide-trump-didnt-explode-in-anger-during-media-meeting/ar-AAkAORT

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 22, 2016, 12:14:32 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 21, 2016, 07:07:22 PM

Moderator: is there something wrong with they system? I wanted to post a political cartoon, but the attachment function is not working, apparently. (?)

theres a separate thread for political cartoons.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 22, 2016, 12:16:31 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 21, 2016, 09:10:16 PM

An interesting piece of history about Trumps family at the turn of the century not being able to stay in Germany.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/historian-finds-german-decree-banishing-trumps-grandfather/ar-AAkAwgg?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=U218DHP

just german policy at the time. Not trump specific. Considering hitler was already coming to power i think they were lucky.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 22, 2016, 02:22:54 AM

Oh, Don, Don...
It is such a shame that you chose to learn nothing.

The content of the meeting was deemed 'off the record' but the meeting itself was not a secret.

The meeting was actually quite a significant event, it is not common for the high and mighty of news/entertainment media to be summoned to meet with any individual (this was not a press conference and the participants were not journalists). It is even less common for such meetings to be held at the behest of an outsider AND at that person's own premises.

Thus it would be rather surprising that such a meeting would go unreported by the media whose executives and senior staff were present.

In addition the media understands two versions of the 'off the record' formula and we do not know which is applicable. Given that we have been told at least some of what went off, we can infer that one form was chosen over the other.

The two forms of 'off the record' can be summarised as follows:
1) The content of the discussion can be made public but the source of the information must remain a secret. So, for example, If I told you that Hillary Clinton was a man you could tell the world that you had been told that Hillary Clinton was a man but you could not say 'Andrewfi told me that Hillary Clinton is a man'. Thus you could also say 'in a discussion person A told person B that Hillary Clinton is a man' but you could not name the participants in the discussion.

2) Less commonly used, the source may say things but neither the content of the disclosure or the participant's name can be revealed.

As noted already, given that we already know some of what was said at the meeting and we know who the participants were, we can safely infer that the form of 'off the record' in play was the first version.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 22, 2016, 04:34:30 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 21, 2016, 09:10:16 PM

An interesting piece of history about Trumps family at the turn of the century not being able to stay in Germany.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/historian-finds-german-decree-banishing-trumps-grandfather/ar-AAkAwgg?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=U218DHP

Read the links below and you can Learn all about teh Trump family.

His Grandfather Frederick was from Germany... and run brothels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Trump

His Father.... took over...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Trump

and then Donald Trump

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

finally read about his wife:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37256893

and also here

http://sfinaki.com/melania-tramp-proti-kiria-ton-inomenon-polition/

Now you know alll you wanted and more about your new Presidential Family!

:chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 22, 2016, 05:26:14 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 22, 2016, 12:14:32 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 21, 2016, 07:07:22 PM
Moderator: is there something wrong with they system? I wanted to post a political cartoon, but the attachment function is not working, apparently. (?)
theres a separate thread for political cartoons.

Where is it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 22, 2016, 06:04:28 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 22, 2016, 05:26:14 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 22, 2016, 12:14:32 AM
Quote from: Confederate on November 21, 2016, 07:07:22 PM
Moderator: is there something wrong with they system? I wanted to post a political cartoon, but the attachment function is not working, apparently. (?)
theres a separate thread for political cartoons.

Where is it?

Here it is : http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24378.msg408535/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 22, 2016, 06:16:58 AM

from the link posted by Wiz above, this made me laugh!

In 1900, the 111-mile-long White Pass and Yukon Route, a railroad between Skagway, Alaska and Whitehorse, Yukon, was completed, allowing Trump to establish the White Horse Restaurant and Inn in Whitehorse.[4]:87–88[11] They moved the building by barge, relocated on Front Street, and were operational by June.[4]:88–89 The new restaurant, which included one of the largest steel ranges in the area, prepared 3,000 meals per day and now included gambling. Despite the enormous financial success, Trump and Levin began fighting due to Levin’s drinking. They broke their business relationship in February 1901, but reconciled in April. Around that time, the local government announced suppression on prostitution, gambling and liquor, though the crackdown was delayed by businesspeople until later that year. In light of this impending threat to his business operation, Trump sold his share of the restaurant to Levin and left the Yukon.[2][4]:90–91 In the months that followed, Levin was arrested for public drunkenness and sent to jail, and the Arctic was taken over by the Mounties.[4]:92 The restaurant itself burned down in the Whitehorse fire of 1905.[12] Blair wrote that "once again, in a situation that created many losers, [Trump] managed to emerge a winner."[4]:93

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Trump

:king:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 22, 2016, 06:21:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 22, 2016, 02:22:54 AM

Oh, Don, Don...
It is such a shame that you chose to learn nothing.

The content of the meeting was deemed 'off the record' but the meeting itself was not a secret.

The meeting was actually quite a significant event, it is not common for the high and mighty of news/entertainment media to be summoned to meet with any individual (this was not a press conference and the participants were not journalists). It is even less common for such meetings to be held at the behest of an outsider AND at that person's own premises.

Thus it would be rather surprising that such a meeting would go unreported by the media whose executives and senior staff were present.

In addition the media understands two versions of the 'off the record' formula and we do not know which is applicable. Given that we have been told at least some of what went off, we can infer that one form was chosen over the other.

The two forms of 'off the record' can be summarised as follows:
1) The content of the discussion can be made public but the source of the information must remain a secret. So, for example, If I told you that Hillary Clinton was a man you could tell the world that you had been told that Hillary Clinton was a man but you could not say 'Andrewfi told me that Hillary Clinton is a man'. Thus you could also say 'in a discussion person A told person B that Hillary Clinton is a man' but you could not name the participants in the discussion.

2) Less commonly used, the source may say things but neither the content of the disclosure or the participant's name can be revealed.

As noted already, given that we already know some of what was said at the meeting and we know who the participants were, we can safely infer that the form of 'off the record' in play was the first version.

:thumbsup: Clarity. I like your posts.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 22, 2016, 06:23:10 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 22, 2016, 12:16:31 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 21, 2016, 09:10:16 PM
An interesting piece of history about Trumps family at the turn of the century not being able to stay in Germany.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/historian-finds-german-decree-banishing-trumps-grandfather/ar-AAkAwgg?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=U218DHP
just german policy at the time. Not trump specific. Considering hitler was already coming to power i think they were lucky.

Excellent point. From my point of view it was fortuitous destiny in favor of the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 22, 2016, 06:29:25 AM

Speaking of the mainstream media, they better get used to Trump coming out on top and setting the terms. there was a scheduled meeting today w/ NY Times, but according to Trump's official twitter:

I cancelled today's meeting with the failing @nytimes when the terms and conditions of the meeting were changed at the last moment. Not nice

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/801021596228091905

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 22, 2016, 10:33:17 AM

Not everyone is happy with a Trump victory. Calexit is the latest new word.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/californians-might-vote-2018-taking-223200544.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 22, 2016, 11:39:28 AM

Word to the wise(?) about what you read.

When you see a headline with the word 'might' then the answer to the implied question is 'almost certainly not'.

This cliche is not as firm as the headline that asks a question to which the reply is an emphatic 'no'.

Read the copy and you will see that the writer has no confidence in the headline, actually the writer almost certainly did not write the headline. Headlines are usually written by subeditors not the copy writer or reporter.

So, the article first mentions a 'fringe group' and tells us that this fringe group (= small group of nobodies, probably all of whom are in the header picture) must attain an incredible goal in order for the 'might' to move ahead toward a tentative 'maybe' in that it would change the wording of Californian legislation.

Then, the article accurately tells us that there must be a change to the US constitution needing the consent of ALL the other states of the Union. Then the writer continues by telling us some more of the very unlikely steps required to enable a secession. It is easier by far for the UK to leave the EU than it is for a US state to, bloodlessly, leave the Union.

Read the article Texan77 and see just how you got suckered by your own lack of patience in not reading the article past the headline.

Don't worry Texan77, it isn't just you who gets suckered this way! There's millions of men and women like you in the United States and many of them are marching!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 22, 2016, 12:17:23 PM

A new youtube site called 'Transition 2017' where Donald Trump bypasses the MSM and goes straight to the People.

Trump's dress down yesterday to the MSM was his declaration of war with them. Mc Arthur's strategy of "cut off and let them wither on the vine" will be Trump's strategy. I suspect Trump through his new investigative and prosecutorial powers will expose the stories and individuals that the MSM has neglected or purposefully failed to show. If the majority of the people do not trust the MSM I expect that number to vastly grow.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 22, 2016, 12:30:34 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 22, 2016, 06:29:25 AM

Speaking of the mainstream media, they better get used to Trump coming out on top and setting the terms. there was a scheduled meeting today w/ NY Times, but according to Trump's official twitter:

I cancelled today's meeting with the failing @nytimes when the terms and conditions of the meeting were changed at the last moment. Not nice

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/801021596228091905

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx4-80YWIAE8LnM.jpg)

They ironed out their differences because the meeting is a go. Maxx, Trump and the media need each other, but clearly he is not going to play their game, they've been put on notice if they want to play ball it will be more on his terms.

Certainly I suspect he will grant special interviews to those with a history of being fair and balanced, meaning Sean Hannity,
Bill O' Reilly and probably a few other select journalists of his choosing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 22, 2016, 12:36:23 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 22, 2016, 10:33:17 AM

Not everyone is happy with a Trump victory. Calexit is the latest new word.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/californians-might-vote-2018-taking-223200544.html

Quite frankly much of the country would be happy if California fell into the ocean after a major earthquake yet as Andrew posted it's not going to happen w/out Federal approval, IOW on the 4th of Never.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 22, 2016, 12:36:54 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 22, 2016, 12:30:34 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 22, 2016, 06:29:25 AM
Speaking of the mainstream media, they better get used to Trump coming out on top and setting the terms. there was a scheduled meeting today w/ NY Times, but according to Trump's official twitter:

I cancelled today's meeting with the failing @nytimes when the terms and conditions of the meeting were changed at the last moment. Not nice

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/801021596228091905

They ironed out their differences because the meeting is a go. Maxx, Trump and the media need each other, but clearly he is not going to play their game, they've been put on notice if they want to play ball it will be more on his terms.

Certainly I suspect he will grant special interviews to those with a history of being fair and balanced, meaning Sean Hannity,
Bill O' Reilly and probably a few other select journalists of his choosing.

No doubt about it. Trump is loyal to those who are fair to him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 22, 2016, 12:39:05 PM

Have we done the Jonathon Pie rant?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 22, 2016, 12:44:41 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 22, 2016, 12:36:23 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 22, 2016, 10:33:17 AM
Not everyone is happy with a Trump victory. Calexit is the latest new word.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/californians-might-vote-2018-taking-223200544.html

Quite frankly much of the country would be happy if California fell into the ocean after a major earthquake yet as Andrew posted it's not going to happen w/out Federal approval, IOW on the 4th of Never.

I haven't been to California in 36 1/2 years and it is my birth State. I went to the grade school the 'Beach Boys' went to. My folks bought an old Victorian 8 bedroom mansion in 1958 in Hawthorn for $6000. I've heard property values have gone up some since then.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 22, 2016, 12:48:30 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 22, 2016, 12:44:41 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 22, 2016, 12:36:23 PM
Quote from: Texan77 on November 22, 2016, 10:33:17 AM
Not everyone is happy with a Trump victory. Calexit is the latest new word.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/californians-might-vote-2018-taking-223200544.html

Quite frankly much of the country would be happy if California fell into the ocean after a major earthquake yet as Andrew posted it's not going to happen w/out Federal approval, IOW on the 4th of Never.

I haven't been to California in 36 1/2 years and it is my birth State. I went to the grade school the 'Beach Boys' went to. My folks bought an old Victorian 8 bedroom mansion in 1958 in Hawthorn for $6000. I've heard property values have gone up some since then.

In 1952 my mother bought a house in Playa Del Rey for about $11K. In 1990 I saw it was for sale for $490K

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 22, 2016, 12:50:41 PM

Black media mogul recommends to "give Trump a chance".

http://www.westernjournalism.com/bet-founder-emerges-from-meeting-with-trump-says-african-americans-should-give-president-elect-a-chance/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_content=2016-11-22&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 22, 2016, 12:58:12 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 22, 2016, 12:39:05 PM

Have we done the Jonathon Pie rant?

You know Ste I agree quite a bit on what he is saying. Hillary should never been the Democratic nominee. Besides her baggage to put it mildly she offered no believable plausible change and the People were in the mood for change. My daughter was a big Bernie supporter but didn't even bother to vote as she did in the last two Presidential elections.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 22, 2016, 02:51:45 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 22, 2016, 12:17:23 PM

A new youtube site called 'Transition 2017' where Donald Trump bypasses the MSM and goes straight to the People.

Trump's dress down yesterday to the MSM was his declaration of war with them. Mc Arthur's strategy of "cut off and let them wither on the vine" will be Trump's strategy. I suspect Trump through his new investigative and prosecutorial powers will expose the stories and individuals that the MSM has neglected or purposefully failed to show. If the majority of the people do not trust the MSM I expect that number to vastly grow.

Nothing to argue with there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 22, 2016, 03:08:01 PM

Don't forget that this Pie bloke is not real, he is a character played by an actor. He seeks points to make from which he can draw humour and make a satiric point. The actor behind the character is probably no more left or right wing than I am but he follows his nose and his nose sniffs money.

That's not to say that as a satirist, and therefore an observer and commentator upon humanity, or the slice upon which he comments, he doesn't make some good points - in fact many good points - but the range of his commentary is, I think, doctrine agnostic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 22, 2016, 09:41:50 PM

Will Trump be president after all????

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/activists-urge-clinton-campaign-to-challenge-election-results-in-3-swing-states/ar-AAkD4w7?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 23, 2016, 01:07:55 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 22, 2016, 09:41:50 PM

Will Trump be president after all????

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/activists-urge-clinton-campaign-to-challenge-election-results-in-3-swing-states/ar-AAkD4w7?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Aren't they too late? I know various countries have laws that say you will have to dispute the results within X days after results.

Edit: Ah found it on google, it has to be within 5 weeks.

Mark.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 23, 2016, 01:18:16 AM

As long as the audit/recount is done correctly it shouldn't be a problem.
However I do think this is a sign that the move toward civil war/color revolution is continuing. This is no longer about Clinton, her piece has been removed from the board.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 23, 2016, 06:50:49 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 23, 2016, 01:07:55 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 22, 2016, 09:41:50 PM
Will Trump be president after all????

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/activists-urge-clinton-campaign-to-challenge-election-results-in-3-swing-states/ar-AAkD4w7?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Aren't they too late? I know various countries have laws that say you will have to dispute the results within X days after results.

Edit: Ah found it on google, it has to be within 5 weeks.

Mark.

Next Wednesday will be the last day for one of those states, the other one Monday and I cannot remember the other one but similar. Here is the best expert on this situation and what he actually has said.

Like you said paper ballots is the only way to ensure 100% success at accuracy. Well provided some are not stolen somehow or bogus votes cast somehow. :chuckle:

This one:

https://medium.com/@jhalderm/want-to-know-if-the-election-was-hacked-look-at-the-ballots-c61a6113b0ba#.8gg3lil6t

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 23, 2016, 07:14:47 AM

Mark Cuban trying to make nice with Trump? Cuban spotted with Bannon.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3964476/Mark-Cuban-spotted-NYC-bar-Steve-Bannon-weeks-saying-lose-penny-Trump-president.html#ixzz4QqCfZ8Cr

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 23, 2016, 07:19:06 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 23, 2016, 01:18:16 AM

As long as the audit/recount is done correctly it shouldn't be a problem.
However I do think this is a sign that the move toward civil war/color revolution is continuing. This is no longer about Clinton, her piece has been removed from the board.

Clinton lost and the results are correct, this NY Times reporter clarifies why.

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/801217804783394816

and this one

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/801231672737988608

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 23, 2016, 07:51:55 AM

When one looks at those Tweets one is, once again, reminded about how the situation of the Untied States has changed.

There's the most powerful country in the world(?) and yet the most powerful country in the world is full of people blaming the head of state of a regional power(?) for having been powerful enough to change the outcome of a general election in the most powerful country in the world.

Seems like a disconnect of some kind here.

At the very least it tells us that the confidence of the people in United States is very low, much lower than I can recall seeing.

And, no, I do not think that the Bogey Man did it!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 23, 2016, 11:36:36 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 23, 2016, 07:51:55 AM

When one looks at those Tweets one is, once again, reminded about how the situation of the Untied States has changed.

There's the most powerful country in the world(?) and yet the most powerful country in the world is full of people blaming the head of state of a regional power(?) for having been powerful enough to change the outcome of a general election in the most powerful country in the world.

Seems like a disconnect of some kind here.

At the very least it tells us that the confidence of the people in United States is very low, much lower than I can recall seeing.

And, no, I do not think that the Bogey Man did it!

I think it is very clear that the person who leaked information about the DNC was an insider, and likely the guy who died back in July (IIRC) of very mysterious circumstances; yet another dead person who pissed off the Clinton's. That is a sidebar. But Julian Assange and others have said it was not Russia, it was a DNC insider pissed off at how Bernie Sanders was treated.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 23, 2016, 11:37:38 AM

New York Times full interview. Trump is a bid difficult to decipher at times. :)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/trump-new-york-times-interview-transcript.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=1

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 23, 2016, 11:52:22 AM

Russian server co. on the DNC hack.

https://www.rt.com/news/361382-russia-servers-dnc-hack/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 23, 2016, 12:14:34 PM

After a long story about countering US aggression then Viktor Ozerov, chairman of the defense committee in the Federation Council notes that there are forces in Russia that wants a arm race with the US. Why because they are making money.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-russian-missiles/ar-AAkzpNn?ocid=U218DHP

He also said the prospect of a good relationship with the incoming administration in Washington was not as welcome in Moscow as it might be believed.

"There is a seriously very powerful party here in Moscow that doesn't want agreement with [US president-elect Donald] Trump. They want some level of continued confrontation with the United States to preserve the procurement and defence budget that is at present on high levels."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 23, 2016, 12:38:44 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 23, 2016, 12:14:34 PM

After a long story about countering US aggression then Viktor Ozerov, chairman of the defense committee in the Federation Council notes that there are forces in Russia that wants a arm race with the US. Why because they are making money.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-russian-missiles/ar-AAkzpNn?ocid=U218DHP

He also said the prospect of a good relationship with the incoming administration in Washington was not as welcome in Moscow as it might be believed.

"There is a seriously very powerful party here in Moscow that doesn't want agreement with [US president-elect Donald] Trump. They want some level of continued confrontation with the United States to preserve the procurement and defence budget that is at present on high levels."

What would the Russian defence spending be in comparison to that of the US?? about 10 times less..

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 23, 2016, 12:53:04 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 23, 2016, 11:36:36 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 23, 2016, 07:51:55 AM
When one looks at those Tweets one is, once again, reminded about how the situation of the Untied States has changed.

There's the most powerful country in the world(?) and yet the most powerful country in the world is full of people blaming the head of state of a regional power(?) for having been powerful enough to change the outcome of a general election in the most powerful country in the world.

Seems like a disconnect of some kind here.

At the very least it tells us that the confidence of the people in United States is very low, much lower than I can recall seeing.

And, no, I do not think that the Bogey Man did it!

I think it is very clear that the person who leaked information about the DNC was an insider, and likely the guy who died back in July (IIRC) of very mysterious circumstances; yet another dead person who pissed off the Clinton's. That is a sidebar. But Julian Assange and others have said it was not Russia, it was a DNC insider pissed off at how Bernie Sanders was treated.

This guy: Seth Rich. RIP.

"Police have said they believe the motive was robbery, and that there is no evidence Rich's murder was connected to his work. But Rich's father has said the 4 a.m. murder, in which Rich was shot several times from behind, did not appear to be a robbery, as his son's wallet and watch were not taken".

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/08/10/assange-implies-murdered-dnc-staffer-was-wikileaks-source.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 24, 2016, 09:35:51 AM

Bloody excellent: http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 24, 2016, 10:01:05 AM

Quote from: Manny on November 24, 2016, 09:35:51 AM

Bloody excellent: http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

The NY Post is kind of a tabloid newspaper kind of like the Daily Mirror, Daily Star or The Sun. Their stories may need a bit of fact checking.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 24, 2016, 10:09:51 AM

Quote from: shakespear on November 24, 2016, 10:01:05 AM

Their stories may need a bit of fact checking.

Same as the rest of the US mainstream media then. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 24, 2016, 10:39:45 AM

Quote from: Manny on November 24, 2016, 10:09:51 AM

Same as the rest of the US mainstream media then. tiphat

Sadly, with a few notable exceptions, true.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 24, 2016, 12:10:16 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 24, 2016, 09:35:51 AM

Bloody excellent: http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

Maxx posted that article two days ago and a lengthy discussion followed.

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.msg453001.html#msg453001

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 24, 2016, 12:12:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 24, 2016, 10:01:05 AM

Quote from: Manny on November 24, 2016, 09:35:51 AM
Bloody excellent: http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/

The NY Post is kind of a tabloid newspaper kind of like the Daily Mirror, Daily Star or The Sun. Their stories may need a bit of fact checking.

The New York Times said almost exactly what the Post said, are they good enough for you? (they twist many stories yet occasionally get it right)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/business/media/trump-summons-tv-figures-for-private-meeting-and-lets-them-have-it.html?_r=1

Title: Re: Happy Thanksgiving from President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 24, 2016, 12:13:36 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/801610648010575872

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 24, 2016, 06:12:46 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 24, 2016, 12:12:38 PM

The New York Times said almost exactly what the Post said, are they good enough for you? (they twist many stories yet occasionally get it right)

I'd say the New York Times has become one of the least credible newspapers in the United States over the last 8 years. They've ALL pretty much abdicated their responsibility as the 4th Estate to keep the operations of the government honest and above board.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 24, 2016, 06:29:56 PM

This is a Trump Tweet. I bet Hillary would not do anything like this or even care if Carrier A.C. would leave the country.

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump · 10h10 hours ago

I am working hard, even on Thanksgiving, trying to get Carrier A.C. Company to stay in the U.S. (Indiana). MAKING PROGRESS - Will know soon!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 24, 2016, 06:32:25 PM

sorry posted in wrong place by accident.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 24, 2016, 11:43:56 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 24, 2016, 06:12:46 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 24, 2016, 12:12:38 PM
The New York Times said almost exactly what the Post said, are they good enough for you? (they twist many stories yet occasionally get it right)

I'd say the New York Times has become one of the least credible newspapers in the United States over the last 8 years. They've ALL pretty much abdicated their responsibility as the 4th Estate to keep the operations of the government honest and above board.

I'm sure you have heard of mockingbird. It's not like they are going to really tell the truth about gun running from Libya to Syria, Saudi Arabia paying for ISIS and Hillary at the same time, the Muslim brotherhood and Huma Abedin's connection to it and Hillary, etc. etc.

NY Time owned by Carlos Sims if I recall. Of course he is anti Trump. It shows. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 25, 2016, 07:25:48 AM

Something for Black Friday

I think Andrew would like it judging from his frequent use of the term "USAians"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2016, 09:04:00 AM

^ Funny stuff Maxx, thank you! I will now go and join the rest of the Zombies, after I drink some fluoridated tap water! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2016, 12:53:24 PM

President elect Trump and Nigel Farage sing "Just the two of us". Whoever made this video did a great job. :laugh:

https://twitter.com/jojoh888/status/802156585107750913

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 25, 2016, 04:55:37 PM

Trump election: Request for Wisconsin vote recount sent

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38112752

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 25, 2016, 09:09:14 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 25, 2016, 04:55:37 PM

Trump election: Request for Wisconsin vote recount sent

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38112752

Vile.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2016, 09:35:21 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 25, 2016, 09:09:14 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 25, 2016, 04:55:37 PM

Trump election: Request for Wisconsin vote recount sent

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38112752

Vile.

Trust me, it will fail. Both the American people (I mean the real American people, not the liberal wack-jobs) who mine the mines, farm the farms and do all the dirty work like Mike Rowe's dirty jobs as well and most importantly the military, are behind Trump 100%.

This is just yet another scheme of that cock sucker Soros, who needs to be hung or killed by firing squad for Treason.

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/802363770387435525

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 25, 2016, 10:03:35 PM

Clinton has already said she lost and Trump won. Isn't that enough?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2016, 11:01:47 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 25, 2016, 10:03:35 PM

Clinton has already said she lost and Trump won. Isn't that enough?

It is only a publicity stunt IMO. Meanwhile that jerk off Castro is DEAD! Good Riddance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 26, 2016, 03:56:14 AM

There's no such thing as 'just a publicity stunt' there's always a purpose. The trick is to understand the purpose.

Stein has now been given more money than she raised for her presidential campaign so this isn't real it is a scam and she knows it.

What's in it for her?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 26, 2016, 07:32:07 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 26, 2016, 03:56:14 AM

There's no such thing as 'just a publicity stunt' there's always a purpose. The trick is to understand the purpose.

Stein has now been given more money than she raised for her presidential campaign so this isn't real it is a scam and she knows it.

What's in it for her?

She will get a brand new car and a vacation home, just like Bernie Sanders who was bought off.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 26, 2016, 09:45:58 AM

It would be fair to make an argument jill Stein contributed to Hillary's loss.
Maybe she is on Hillary's hit list, and she is being forced to do this on behalf of Hillary.

There's a bunch of big money people that were counting on a Clinton victory, as feeble as this effort might be, they will certainly try.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 26, 2016, 10:49:10 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 25, 2016, 11:01:47 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 25, 2016, 10:03:35 PM
Clinton has already said she lost and Trump won. Isn't that enough?

It is only a publicity stunt IMO. Meanwhile that jerk off Castro is DEAD! Good Riddance.

Which country has free health care and free education? Is it:

1. USA

2. Cuba

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 26, 2016, 11:20:24 AM

Didn't take long for the Clinton campaign to get involved
Most likely Stein was just a front for Clinton.

Clinton campaign: We are taking part in the recount

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/26/politics/clinton-campaign-recount/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 26, 2016, 12:47:39 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 26, 2016, 03:56:14 AM

What's in it for her?

Good question. Many of the democrats that were for Bernie like my daughter sat out the election. Those that didn't voted for Jill's Green Party or held their nose and voted for what they thought was the lesser of two evils. Perhaps Jill is trying to get some credit with the Leftist and repair her reputation with them?

BTW I voted in Wisconsin. It is a paper ballot that afterwards is put by me into a scanner. The ballot has my name and voter ID on it that matches the voter ID role I and everyone else is on. My signature was required to vote. Photo ID like my driver's license was also required before I was handed this prepared-at-that-time ballot. I was directed to the booth to cast my votes with a black marker in my hand. So there is a paper trail for a recount. I just don't know if all the ballots are counted or kept. But that would show on the voter registration book that I was required to sign to get a ballot. Neither do I know if all voting districts are done the same way.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 26, 2016, 03:07:39 PM

Top headline on the DrudgeReport is

SHE'S ALIVE!
HILLARY CHALLENGES ELECTION RESULTS

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-26/clinton-campaign-will-participate-in-stein-s-state-recounts

Quote

Hillary Clinton’s campaign will participate in vote recounts of Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan if they take place, drawing a rebuke from Donald Trump’s team that the Democrat is being a “sore loser” and part of a “ridiculous” effort.
If Green Party candidate Jill Stein initiates recounts in those states as she intends, the Clinton campaign “will participate in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sides,” Clinton campaign lawyer Marc Elias said Saturday in a post on the blogging website Medium.com. He added that he doesn’t expect the action to overturn Trumps election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 26, 2016, 04:20:12 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 26, 2016, 03:56:14 AM

There's no such thing as 'just a publicity stunt' there's always a purpose. The trick is to understand the purpose.

Stein has now been given more money than she raised for her presidential campaign so this isn't real it is a scam and she knows it.

What's in it for her?

Election recounts are a legitimate request. So long as they pre-pay the cost incurred and they're supervised by representatives from BOTH parties and not a court, I have no problem with the process.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 26, 2016, 04:22:52 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 26, 2016, 12:47:39 PM

Good question. Many of the democrats that were for Bernie like my daughter sat out the election. Those that didn't voted for Jill's Green Party or held their nose and voted for what they thought was the lesser of two evils. Perhaps Jill is trying to get some credit with the Leftist and repair her reputation with them?

Had all the people that voted for the Green Party instead voted for Hillary Clinton (as expected) we'd be saying President Clinton right now instead of President Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 26, 2016, 05:03:19 PM

What a Surpise. The Soros Connection.

http://ambitjournal.com/2016/11/26/update-john-bonifaz-connections-george-soros-now-representing-jill-stein-recount-effort/

This asshole Soros needs to be in prison for life or hung for treason when this is all said and done. If the lefty's think they're going to change the results now they're in for a very bumpy ride.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 26, 2016, 05:06:42 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 26, 2016, 04:20:12 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 26, 2016, 03:56:14 AM
There's no such thing as 'just a publicity stunt' there's always a purpose. The trick is to understand the purpose.

Stein has now been given more money than she raised for her presidential campaign so this isn't real it is a scam and she knows it.

What's in it for her?

Election recounts are a legitimate request. So long as they pre-pay the cost incurred and they're supervised by representatives from BOTH parties and not a court, I have no problem with the process.

Sure mr. RINO. NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF OUR ELECTION PROCESS HAS A NON CONTENDER REQUESTED A RECOUNT So Trump should now request recounts in California, file lawsuits against the DNC for the debacle of interfering in the Chicago event, file lawsuits against California and Nevada and Arizona and Mexico for allowing 3 Million illegal Mexicans to vote and finally file a lawsuit against Obama for encouraging illegals to vote.

https://twitter.com/surfermom77/status/802665259026681856

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 26, 2016, 05:26:28 PM

Trump statement on proposed recount efforts.

It is important to point out that with the help of millions of voters across the country, we won 306 electoral votes on Election Day— the most of any Republican since 1988— and we carried nine of 13 battleground states, 30 of 50 states, and more than 2,600 counties nationwide - the most since President Ronald Reagan in 1984," said Trump in his statement.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/26/donald-trump-blasts-jill-stein-scam-recount-effort-issues-call-to-accept-results.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 26, 2016, 06:22:07 PM

Latinas for Trump on the election, etc.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/11/14/latinas-for-trump-founder-anti-trump-people-have-been-fed-load-of-bull/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on November 27, 2016, 12:58:15 AM

The money that is coming into Stein's recount campaign, when graphed, shows a steady $160K per hour donation stream. An actual flat line, with no variation.

She is just a cut-out, a stooge.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 27, 2016, 02:20:43 AM

Of course, if the rules for obtaining a recount are followed then the request and recount are legitimate. I have not suggested otherwise.

It is, however, pretty clear that the purpose behind the recount requests and the funding are a scam.

We may not know why the shit stinks but we can smell the fetid odour from here in the civilised world.

I'd suggest that those with a tendency to order tides to turn might want to tell us that on *this* occasion, if no other, that they can, indeed, smell the shit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on November 27, 2016, 02:58:20 AM

Jill Stein raised $3.5 million to fund her ENTIRE presidential campaign. She has now "raised" about $5 million for a Wisconsin recount, when she polled circa 1.1% of the popular vote there!! The recount is NOTHING to do with her :thumbsup:

$5 million does not buy a handful of 30 second adverts on National TV but a recount costing that much will generate MSM reportage many times that magnitude.

Clue "Hillary and the DNC backs the recount". The "bag lady" lost Wisconsin by about 1% of the vote...

This is obviously paid for agitation. A cheap way of keeping the election result on the front pages of the Main Stream Media. It will not effect the result one jot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 27, 2016, 03:06:36 AM

Given the pattern of the donations I am interested to know who is the paymaster. It isn't a movement of individuals, that's for sure.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 27, 2016, 04:15:56 AM

The recounts have to be finished and turned over to Congress by December 13. What happens next if it doesn't I have no idea.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 27, 2016, 09:46:03 AM

Quote from: leslied on November 27, 2016, 02:58:20 AM

Jill Stein raised $3.5 million to fund her ENTIRE presidential campaign. She has now "raised" about $5 million for a Wisconsin recount, when she polled circa 1.1% of the popular vote there!! The recount is NOTHING to do with her :thumbsup:

$5 million does not buy a handful of 30 second adverts on National TV but a recount costing that much will generate MSM reportage many times that magnitude.

Clue "Hillary and the DNC backs the recount". The "bag lady" lost Wisconsin by about 1% of the vote...

This is obviously paid for agitation. A cheap way of keeping the election result on the front pages of the Main Stream Media. It will not effect the result one jot.

I've watched a source which indicated that Jill Stein is doing this so that she polls enough for Wisconsin in 2020; something about how Wisconsin allows 3rd party candidates to be included. Notice that in Michigan she is not doing this, because Michigan had already allowed 3rd party persons to be included in the voting. I probably have not worded this correctly in a technical sense, but that is the real reason.

As you said it will absolutely not change the result. The electors are going to certify a Trump win and that is that.

my source is https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec

Okay, here is the video where he breaks it down. https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/802901902996504576

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 27, 2016, 09:46:42 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 27, 2016, 03:06:36 AM

Given the pattern of the donations I am interested to know who is the paymaster. It isn't a movement of individuals, that's for sure.

The paymaster are clearly Soros bots.

http://ambitjournal.com/2016/11/26/update-john-bonifaz-connections-george-soros-now-representing-jill-stein-recount-effort/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 27, 2016, 09:55:53 AM

Quote from: Slumba on November 27, 2016, 12:58:15 AM

The money that is coming into Stein's recount campaign, when graphed, shows a steady $160K per hour donation stream. An actual flat line, with no variation.

She is just a cut-out, a stooge.

Here is a beautiful graph of what you wrote. She's a stooge of Soros. Ironic in that she was an anti-war, anti-middle east color revolution candidate.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyOsZHTUoAAGXni.jpg)

https://twitter.com/bakedalaska/status/802674712077701121

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 27, 2016, 09:58:47 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 27, 2016, 04:15:56 AM

The recounts have to be finished and turned over to Congress by December 13. What happens next if it doesn't I have no idea.

The Electoral College is firmly in Trump's camp at this point. IOW don't worry, be happy, Trump is OUR President.

https://soundcloud.com/iambakedalaska/trump-is-my-president?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=share&utm_medium=twitter

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 27, 2016, 11:15:19 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 27, 2016, 02:20:43 AM

Of course, if the rules for obtaining a recount are followed then the request and recount are legitimate. I have not suggested otherwise.

It is, however, pretty clear that the purpose behind the recount requests and the funding are a scam.

We may not know why the shit stinks but we can smell the fetid odour from here in the civilised world.

I'd suggest that those with a tendency to order tides to turn might want to tell us that on *this* occasion, if no other, that they can, indeed, smell the shit.

Hey -

You have a lot of Democrats that haven't gone through the 5 Stages of Grief yet.

They're minds are stuck in Stage 3, appealing to a higher power to change the result.

That's what causing the reaction from their wallets.

Another contributing factor is the realization from Jill Stein that her candidacy caused Hillary Clinton to lose the election. She is making a vain attempt to neutralize the lifetime ostracizing the Democrats have planned for her to punish her for her decision to be a candidate.

Either way, its a non-event. It will change nothing. Trump will be the next President of the United States.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 27, 2016, 01:57:24 PM

An Apology to Donald Trump From Mitt Romney

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/an-apology-to-donald-trump-from-mitt-romney.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 27, 2016, 02:41:12 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 27, 2016, 01:57:24 PM

An Apology to Donald Trump From Mitt Romney

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/an-apology-to-donald-trump-from-mitt-romney.html

I hope you realize this is satire. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 27, 2016, 03:10:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 27, 2016, 02:41:12 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 27, 2016, 01:57:24 PM

An Apology to Donald Trump From Mitt Romney

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/an-apology-to-donald-trump-from-mitt-romney.html

I hope you realize this is satire. :)

Yep, but it is a good reminder of what an arse Romney is,and why Trump should not consider Romney for Secretary of state.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 27, 2016, 03:40:36 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 27, 2016, 03:10:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 27, 2016, 02:41:12 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on November 27, 2016, 01:57:24 PM

An Apology to Donald Trump From Mitt Romney

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/an-apology-to-donald-trump-from-mitt-romney.html

I hope you realize this is satire. :)

Yep, but it is a good reminder of what an arse Romney is,and why Trump should not consider Romney for Secretary of state.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 27, 2016, 03:40:59 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 27, 2016, 03:10:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 27, 2016, 02:41:12 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on November 27, 2016, 01:57:24 PM

An Apology to Donald Trump From Mitt Romney

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/an-apology-to-donald-trump-from-mitt-romney.html

I hope you realize this is satire. :)

Yep, but it is a good reminder of what an arse Romney is,and why Trump should not consider Romney for Secretary of state.

Its not a good apology at all, he is still making "innuendoes'", totally unacceptable IMHO, I would not accept it...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 28, 2016, 12:35:18 AM

Gipsy, it is not by Romney. This is an example of what passes for satire in the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 28, 2016, 02:24:24 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 28, 2016, 12:35:18 AM

Gipsy, it is not by Romney. This is an example of what passes for satire in the USA.

It is pretty poor satire isn't?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 28, 2016, 03:10:48 AM

More like the recent crop of 'fake news' labelled as satire. More accurately, lies posted in order to fool the reader.

It is this stuff that I have no problem with the 'regulation' of.
I note that there is, unusually for this type of crap, an author for the piece attributed meaning that if one spots it one can know that it was not Romney who penned this. The design and content make the intent to deceive abundantly clear though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 28, 2016, 09:03:40 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 28, 2016, 02:24:24 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 28, 2016, 12:35:18 AM
Gipsy, it is not by Romney. This is an example of what passes for satire in the USA.

It is pretty poor satire isn't?

Well, I liked it and believe it was appropriate. Because Trump should NOT pick Romney and it really clarifies why not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 28, 2016, 12:46:02 PM

It wa written as a hit piece on Trump, presented as truth, designed to appear as though written by Romney. Whatever it might be, it is not satire. Therefore it can not be good satire.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 28, 2016, 12:51:08 PM

From the NY Times.

No, Mr. Trump, we will not all just get along. For as long as a threat to the state is the head of state, all citizens of good faith and national fidelity — and certainly this columnist — have an absolute obligation to meet you and your agenda with resistance at every turn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/opinion/no-trump-we-cant-just-get-along.html?src=trending&module=Ribbon&version=context&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Trending&pgtype=article&_r=0

Resistance is futile... :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 28, 2016, 01:16:54 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 28, 2016, 12:51:08 PM

From the NY Times.

No, Mr. Trump, we will not all just get along. For as long as a threat to the state is the head of state, all citizens of good faith and national fidelity — and certainly this columnist — have an absolute obligation to meet you and your agenda with resistance at every turn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/opinion/no-trump-we-cant-just-get-along.html?src=trending&module=Ribbon&version=context&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Trending&pgtype=article&_r=0

Resistance is futile... :coffeeread:

Leslied was correct when he wrote that the media will not give one jot of respect or open mindedness (my words) to Trump. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 28, 2016, 01:19:52 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 28, 2016, 12:51:08 PM

From the NY Times.

No, Mr. Trump, we will not all just get along. For as long as a threat to the state is the head of state, all citizens of good faith and national fidelity — and certainly this columnist — have an absolute obligation to meet you and your agenda with resistance at every turn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/opinion/no-trump-we-cant-just-get-along.html?src=trending&module=Ribbon&version=context&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Trending&pgtype=article&_r=0

Resistance is futile... :coffeeread:

PS considering that Republicans now control both houses of Congress, a majority of state Governors, and soon the Supreme Court as well as the Presidency....well it is going to be a very long 8 years for those pc marxists *snip*s, and likely 16 years. The will of the people is free enterprise, educational choice and oil and coal energy production on US soil.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 28, 2016, 01:21:34 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 28, 2016, 12:46:02 PM

It wa written as a hit piece on Trump, presented as truth, designed to appear as though written by Romney. Whatever it might be, it is not satire. Therefore it can not be good satire.

I suppose each person interpretation it different? I see it as a hit piece on Romney and "okay" satire.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 28, 2016, 02:35:57 PM

Jill Stein? Pawn of Soros.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 28, 2016, 03:08:19 PM

Stein missed the deadline for a recount in Pennsylvania. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :party0031: :party0031: :party0031:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pennsylvania-state-department-says-stein-missed-recount-deadline/article/2608305

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 28, 2016, 05:12:51 PM

Gregg Jarrett: Did Hillary Clinton just squander her "get out of jail free" card?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/11/28/gregg-jarrett-did-hillary-clinton-just-squander-her-get-out-jail-free-card.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 28, 2016, 05:37:06 PM

It is clear that, in the colonies, many people have already been programed with a different meaning of the word 'satire'. That's unfortunate because yet another word conveying a particular shade of meaning has been rendered useless. Worse yet, this means that the thoughts and ideas bound up with the word can no longer be concisely expressed.

As to whom the piece was aimed, I can only commend a careful re-reading of the piece.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 28, 2016, 05:41:27 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 28, 2016, 05:37:06 PM

It is clear that, in the colonies, many people have already been programed with a different meaning of the word 'satire'. That's unfortunate because yet another word conveying a particular shade of meaning has been rendered useless. Worse yet, this means that the thoughts and ideas bound up with the word can no longer be concisely expressed.

As to whom the piece was aimed, I can only commend a careful re-reading of the piece.

I thank you for your input and do hereby request, could you please post what you consider to be an excellent example of Satire?

I am exhausted for many reasons right now but certainly willing to read and learn from someone more familiar to the art form of "Satire".

thank you. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 28, 2016, 07:46:11 PM

If discussing the linked article on Romney's apology, those that followed the infighting with Romney leading to charge naturally would see this an attempt to say a simple apology just won't do.

Sarcasm might be the appropriate word to describe the authors intent? :biggrin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 28, 2016, 07:59:12 PM

Already on the trail to 2020? :sick0012:

Hillary Clinton rumored to be considering another go at the White House in 2020

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/11/28/hillary-clinton-rumored-to-be-considering-another-go-at-the-white-house-in-2020/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Annushka on November 28, 2016, 09:33:55 PM

Yeap! The Communists in the White House! :party0031:

(http://newstes.ru/uploads/posts/2016-09/zhena-donalda-trampa-melaniya-budet-suditsya-s-tabloidom-soobschivshem-o-ee-zanyatiyah-prostituciey_2.jpeg)

http://www.kp.ru/daily/26604/3621118/ (http://www.kp.ru/daily/26604/3621118/)

Congratulations! tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 28, 2016, 10:02:57 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 28, 2016, 07:59:12 PM

Already on the trail to 2020? :sick0012:

Hillary Clinton rumored to be considering another go at the White House in 2020

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/11/28/hillary-clinton-rumored-to-be-considering-another-go-at-the-white-house-in-2020/

You must be kidding. Babayaga wants to run again?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2016, 12:33:42 AM

Quote from: yankee on November 28, 2016, 10:02:57 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 28, 2016, 07:59:12 PM
Already on the trail to 2020? :sick0012:

Hillary Clinton rumored to be considering another go at the White House in 2020

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/11/28/hillary-clinton-rumored-to-be-considering-another-go-at-the-white-house-in-2020/

You must be kidding. Babayaga wants to run again?

she is persona non grata in the democratic party now, it will never happen. not to mention she will likely be dead of a brain hemorage due to parkinsons, etc.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 09:10:02 AM

I don't know why she would want to put herself through that misery again. Her need to be president must be so intense those surrounding her must be giving her the hope of 2020. I think soon she will completely lose what is left of her mind.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 29, 2016, 09:29:21 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 09:10:02 AM

I don't know why she would want to put herself through that misery again. Her need to be president must be so intense those surrounding her must be giving her the hope of 2020. I think soon she will completely lose what is left of her mind.

She wants to go down as the first female US President, not as the wife of the Monica Lewinsky tainted former US President. That is just too horrible a thought for a feminazi.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 29, 2016, 10:05:53 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 29, 2016, 09:29:21 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 09:10:02 AM
I don't know why she would want to put herself through that misery again. Her need to be president must be so intense those surrounding her must be giving her the hope of 2020. I think soon she will completely lose what is left of her mind.
She wants to go down as the first female US President....

Imagine if she went down on DJT?.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 10:51:42 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 29, 2016, 10:05:53 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 29, 2016, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 09:10:02 AM
I don't know why she would want to put herself through that misery again. Her need to be president must be so intense those surrounding her must be giving her the hope of 2020. I think soon she will completely lose what is left of her mind.
She wants to go down as the first female US President....

Imagine if she went down on DJT?.....

I doubt even he would take that offer. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 10:56:58 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 29, 2016, 09:29:21 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 09:10:02 AM
I don't know why she would want to put herself through that misery again. Her need to be president must be so intense those surrounding her must be giving her the hope of 2020. I think soon she will completely lose what is left of her mind.
She wants to go down as the first female US President, not as the wife of the Monica Lewinsky tainted former US President. That is just too horrible a thought for a feminazi.

I've heard she's been wanting that since high school. She must be going out of her mind. Now imagine if DJT has his FBI investigate the Clintons in regard to Pizzagate and the Jeffrey Epstein's Lolita Express/Sex Slave island of underage girls case.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on November 29, 2016, 11:02:19 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 10:51:42 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 29, 2016, 10:05:53 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 29, 2016, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 09:10:02 AM
I don't know why she would want to put herself through that misery again. Her need to be president must be so intense those surrounding her must be giving her the hope of 2020. I think soon she will completely lose what is left of her mind.
She wants to go down as the first female US President....

Imagine if she went down on DJT?.....

I doubt even he would take that offer. :chuckle:

He has other ways of :censored: ing her I think.... :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 12:19:11 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on November 29, 2016, 11:02:19 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 10:51:42 AM
Quote from: Ste on November 29, 2016, 10:05:53 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 29, 2016, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 09:10:02 AM
I don't know why she would want to put herself through that misery again. Her need to be president must be so intense those surrounding her must be giving her the hope of 2020. I think soon she will completely lose what is left of her mind.
She wants to go down as the first female US President....

Imagine if she went down on DJT?.....

I doubt even he would take that offer. :chuckle:

He has other ways of :censored: ing her I think.... :ROFL:

Boy there is a lot of truth in that statement. :laugh: He kinda already did.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2016, 01:29:51 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 29, 2016, 09:29:21 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 09:10:02 AM
I don't know why she would want to put herself through that misery again. Her need to be president must be so intense those surrounding her must be giving her the hope of 2020. I think soon she will completely lose what is left of her mind.
She wants to go down as the first female US President, not as the wife of the Monica Lewinsky tainted former US President. That is just too horrible a thought for a feminazi.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 29, 2016, 05:49:25 PM

With the election of Donald Trump, comes an opportunity that the United states has not seen for a very long time.

The Democrats Face Catastrophe

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/761036?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1697981_11292016&s=al&dkt_nbr=mpzrvn6i&section=ChristopherRuddy&keywords=Democrats-catastrophe-house-senate&year=2016&month=11&date=28&id=761036&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 06:11:42 PM

More winning

Trump to Announce Carrier Plant Will Keep Jobs in U.S.
By NELSON D. SCHWARTZNOV. 29, 2016

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/business/trump-to-announce-carrier-plant-will-keep-jobs-in-us.html?mtrref=www.drudgereport.com&gwh=FDF7DCB8BA5E5BD6A4868F8BB829E946&gwt=pay

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 06:36:33 PM

Trump appointed the wife of the Senate Majority leader Mitch Mc Connell, Elaine Chao as Transportation Secretary. First Asian woman to have a cabinet position. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-nominate-elaine-chao-transportation-post-source-160808035.html

Title: Re: President Trump Announces More Winning! Carrier to stay in the USA
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2016, 07:12:11 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 06:11:42 PM

More winning

Trump to Announce Carrier Plant Will Keep Jobs in U.S.
By NELSON D. SCHWARTZNOV. 29, 2016

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/business/trump-to-announce-carrier-plant-will-keep-jobs-in-us.html?mtrref=www.drudgereport.com&gwh=FDF7DCB8BA5E5BD6A4868F8BB829E946&gwt=pay

Dammit Maxx, you beat me to it!! You see, we're both competing about the USA WINNING again, I love it!! :laugh:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-to-announce-carrier-plant-will-keep-jobs-in-us/ar-AAkW0NP?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2016, 07:15:56 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 06:36:33 PM

Trump appointed the wife of the Senate Majority leader Mitch Mc Connell, Elaine Chao as Transportation Secretary. First Asian woman to have a cabinet position. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-nominate-elaine-chao-transportation-post-source-160808035.html

I saw that too but was even more excited about the Carrier news although I am certain that Elaine Chao is an excellent person for the job of Transportation Secretary and I'm very happy for her and Senator McConnell. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 08:06:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 29, 2016, 07:15:56 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 06:36:33 PM

Trump appointed the wife of the Senate Majority leader Mitch Mc Connell, Elaine Chao as Transportation Secretary. First Asian woman to have a cabinet position. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-nominate-elaine-chao-transportation-post-source-160808035.html

I saw that too but was even more excited about the Carrier news although I am certain that Elaine Chao is an excellent person for the job of Transportation Secretary and I'm very happy for her and Senator McConnell. :thumbsup:

It will probably mean more cooperation from the Senate Majority leader now that his wife is in the Trump administration. Nice political move by DJT. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 29, 2016, 08:17:04 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 09:10:02 AM

I don't know why she would want to put herself through that misery again. Her need to be president must be so intense those surrounding her must be giving her the hope of 2020. I think soon she will completely lose what is left of her mind.

I think she always though she was better than Bill but as it turned out she is a two time loser and if she tries again it will be three time loser.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2016, 10:18:28 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 29, 2016, 08:17:04 PM

Quote from: Maxx on November 29, 2016, 09:10:02 AM
I don't know why she would want to put herself through that misery again. Her need to be president must be so intense those surrounding her must be giving her the hope of 2020. I think soon she will completely lose what is left of her mind.

I think she always though she was better than Bill but as it turned out she is a two time loser and if she tries again it will be three time loser.

3 strikes you're out? I'd prefer the biatch rot in prison after Trump winks and says: I said I was not interested in prosecuting her, but I never said I would not sit back and allow Trey Gowdy and others do it!!!

Besides, maybe if she was in prison all her lezbo fantasies would come true!! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 30, 2016, 03:28:33 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 28, 2016, 07:59:12 PM

Already on the trail to 2020? :sick0012:

Hillary Clinton rumored to be considering another go at the White House in 2020

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/11/28/hillary-clinton-rumored-to-be-considering-another-go-at-the-white-house-in-2020/

I hope so. Trump was supposed to be the only GOP candidate she could beat.

Turns out that number was off, by one. :ROFL:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 30, 2016, 03:44:27 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 29, 2016, 05:49:25 PM

The Democrats Face Catastrophe

Big time. The Dems have to defend 25 Senate seats (including 2 independents who caucus with the Dems) in 2018; the GOP only has to defend...wait for it...8, only *ONE* of which is in a state Trump lost (NV). Orrin Hatch may retire, but Utah is a lock for the GOP.

Meanwhile, of those 25 seats that the Dems have to defend, Indiana, five are from states that Trump carried by 19% or more: North Dakota, West Virginia, Missouri and Montana. Trump also won FL, PA, OH, FL, MI and WI.

IOW, the Dems could be in SERIOUS trouble, particularly if Trump juices the economy.

The real Dem nightmare isn't Trump being a buffoon. It's if he's awesome. If he crushes it on the economy--the ONLY thing that matters in American elections--then the Dems will get CRUSHED under the Trumpian heel.

As Maxx noted, Trump just cut a deal to save 1000 jobs in Indiana...and he's not even president yet.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 30, 2016, 10:39:36 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 30, 2016, 03:44:27 AM

As Maxx noted, Trump just cut a deal to save 1000 jobs in Indiana...and he's not even president yet.

B/B

If that is a company called Carrier, he has already. It was mentioned on his Twitter or Instagram (I forget which) earlier today. Big announcement later thsi week, blah blah, ending with "Thanks Carrier".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 30, 2016, 10:48:28 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 30, 2016, 03:44:27 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 29, 2016, 05:49:25 PM
The Democrats Face Catastrophe

the Dems could be in SERIOUS trouble, particularly if Trump juices the economy.

B/B

And they didn't learn their lesson since they just now reelected Nancy Pelosi as their minority leader.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/308034-pelosi-holds-onto-leadership

She definitely is the old dog that can't learn new tricks.

Quote

[Tim] Ryan [D-Ohio] and his supporters had argued that the Democrats' grim performance in this year's elections — the latest in a string of cycles planting Republicans firmly in the majority — was a clear signal that Pelosi's leadership strategy has failed to attract the broad coalition of voters required to return the Speaker's gavel to the Democrats' hands.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 30, 2016, 11:43:03 AM

Don't forget Manny, they get the news after we do!

Quote from: Manny on November 30, 2016, 10:39:36 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 30, 2016, 03:44:27 AM
As Maxx noted, Trump just cut a deal to save 1000 jobs in Indiana...and he's not even president yet.

B/B

If that is a company called Carrier, he has already. It was mentioned on his Twitter or Instagram (I forget which) earlier today. Big announcement later thsi week, blah blah, ending with "Thanks Carrier".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BC on November 30, 2016, 11:43:27 AM

So in the end, Carrier will put 400 workers on unemployment instead of 1400, stay in Indiana in return for what?

Oh yea rejoice!

I see a 'win' but not a 'win-win'

:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 30, 2016, 11:58:50 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 30, 2016, 11:43:03 AM

Don't forget Manny, they get the news after we do!

Not true! Both Maxx and I poster about this yesterday.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BC on November 30, 2016, 12:00:35 PM

Here's a Trump quote I found I can agree with:

Quote

“I think right now when it comes to civil liberties, our country has a lot of problems and I think it’s very hard for us to get involved in other countries when we don’t know what we are doing and we can’t see straight in our own country,” Trump told The New York Times in July.

“We need allies,” he added. “I don’t know that we have a right to lecture.”

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/308111-trumps-son-goes-hunting-in-turkey-amid-signs-of-amity

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 30, 2016, 12:02:24 PM

Quote from: BC on November 30, 2016, 11:43:27 AM

So in the end, Carrier will put 400 workers on unemployment instead of 1400, stay in Indiana in return for what?

Oh yea rejoice!

I see a 'win' but not a 'win-win'

:)

You would of preferred 1,000 American jobs had gone to Mexico and we had gotten another 950 illegals and 50 hard-core felon drug Cartel drug dealers in exchange, correct?

That would be a win-win for you lefty's correct? :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BC on November 30, 2016, 12:18:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 30, 2016, 12:02:24 PM

You would of preferred 1,000 American jobs had gone to Mexico and we had gotten another 950 illegals and 50 hard-core felon drug Cartel drug dealers in exchange, correct?

That would be a win-win for you lefty's correct? :)

No, I as customer would have preferred paying a few bucks more for an air conditioner made in USA by a company that hires US citizens, pays them good wages to build and service a quality product. My returns are better schools, roads and a more secure social security system from taxes paid by the company and workers.. -not 400 more on unemployment and tax cuts to pad a company bottom line.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 30, 2016, 12:31:41 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 30, 2016, 12:02:24 PM

Quote from: BC on November 30, 2016, 11:43:27 AM
So in the end, Carrier will put 400 workers on unemployment instead of 1400, stay in Indiana in return for what?

Oh yea rejoice!

I see a 'win' but not a 'win-win'

:)

You would of preferred 1,000 American jobs had gone to Mexico and we had gotten another 950 illegals and 50 hard-core felon drug Cartel drug dealers in exchange, correct?

That would be a win-win for you lefty's correct? :)

I think he is saying it wasn't a complete win. But we all know Obama wouldn't lifted a finger to save any jobs. He only did that during his first term when he wanted to get reelected. As far as the 400 net loss little ol' me thought of that yesterday. I figure it is on Trump's mind too. It would be to his benefit if he could or Carrier could find those folks jobs too.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 30, 2016, 03:52:22 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 30, 2016, 10:39:36 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 30, 2016, 03:44:27 AM
As Maxx noted, Trump just cut a deal to save 1000 jobs in Indiana...and he's not even president yet.

B/B

If that is a company called Carrier, he has already. It was mentioned on his Twitter or Instagram (I forget which) earlier today. Big announcement later thsi week, blah blah, ending with "Thanks Carrier".

Yep. I was traveling all of Monday then recovering on Tuesday so not really monitoring the news. Trump's 3 AM tweets arrive at 8AM, Brit-time, so you guys can get them with your breakfast.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 30, 2016, 06:38:10 PM

Quote from: B.B. on November 30, 2016, 03:28:33 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 28, 2016, 07:59:12 PM
Already on the trail to 2020? :sick0012:

Hillary Clinton rumored to be considering another go at the White House in 2020

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/11/28/hillary-clinton-rumored-to-be-considering-another-go-at-the-white-house-in-2020/

I hope so. Trump was supposed to be the only GOP candidate she could beat.

Turns out that number was off, by one. :ROFL:

B/B

:popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 01, 2016, 01:35:47 PM

My head is swimming!

Quote

The Democrats’ real strategy in launching recounts
By Richard Baehr

The recount in Wisconsin, and the coming ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania will not change the outcomes in any of the states. No recount ever changes thousands of votes. I do not think that is the purpose.

The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing the official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters. If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232. No one hits 270.

Then this goes to Congress, where the House voting 1 vote per state elects Trump, and Senate selects Pence. This would be first time this happened since 1824, but in that case, John Quincy Adams won in the House, though he had fewer electoral college votes than Andrew Jackson.

If this goes to the US House and Senate, and the result is the same as result from the Electoral College without the recounts, why do it? The answer is to make Trump seem even more illegitimate, that he did not win the popular vote (he lost by over 2.1 million), he did not win the Electoral College (did not reach 270), and was elected by being inserted into the presidency by members of his own party in Congress.

Update:

If a state never gets to name electors, the number needed to win goes down; a majority of those named is enough. Even with 260-232, Trump should win unless there wee lots of faithless electors. Now had the Democrats or Green Party also challenged Florida with 29 Electoral College votes, then it could have been 232-231 for Clinton.

However, Florida's vote total is final and certified (and maybe Electors already picked).

The House and Senate get involved only when no candidate wins a majority of electors selected and voting, which can happen when 3 or more candidates win electoral votes, or there is a tie among 2 because some states did not submit or had faithless electors.

If someone has a majority of electoral votes submitted, the Senate and House open the tally and merely name the winner. Clearly this process is now subject to recount mischief in the future, now that Jill Stein and Clinton campaign have in essence argued any close state that Trump won should be challenged.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_democrats_real_strategy_in_launching_recounts.html#ixzz4RcWjvrqM
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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 01, 2016, 02:29:04 PM

Well, the recount silliness is over and done with now.

Time for the next little divertissement to show the world just how to run a democratic election!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 01, 2016, 03:07:07 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 01, 2016, 02:29:04 PM

Well, the recount silliness is over and done with now.

Time for the next little divertissement to show the world just how to run a democratic election!

I think the nonsense is still going to go on. Not so sure America has got much to brag about democratic election processes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 02, 2016, 01:19:22 AM

Quote from: Maxx on December 01, 2016, 03:07:07 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 01, 2016, 02:29:04 PM
Well, the recount silliness is over and done with now.

Time for the next little divertissement to show the world just how to run a democratic election!

I think the nonsense is still going to go on. Not so sure America has got much to brag about democratic election processes.

You are right, that was pretty much my point. ;)

Title: Re: President Trump and his millionair's admin
Post by: Wiz on December 02, 2016, 05:28:20 AM

Has anybody noticed some of the new administration personnel chosen by Trump?

According to information posted on the Media, for the first time in the history of the US ,all the Ministers at Trumps administration are very rich persons and most of them are in the Forbes list. It is obvious that all names mentioned in the media, as candidates for the new administration are also people from very rich families. Many of them appointed by Trump were born rich and studied in the most expensive schools and universities. It appears the group that was selected has more experience in funding political parties than running official departments.

Trump appointed W. Ross as minister for Trade, whose personal worth is around $2.5 billion. His job will be to invest, via his own investment company, in already bust companies.

Tont Ricket is his assistant minister, son of a billionaire, and co-owner of the Chicago baseball club.

Donald Trump’s Treasury nominee, Steven Terner Mnuchin, embodies the worst of predatory finance, a ruthless foreclosure vulture and a former executive of Goldman Sachs and was paid $46 million dollars for his services. Now he will be the Financial minister of the USA.

Elisabeth "Betsy" DeVos is an American billionaire, businesswoman, philanthropist, and education activist from Michigan. DeVos is known for her advocacy of school choice and voucher programs and deserves a cautious welcome.

Ellen Tsao that is appointed as transport Minister is the daughter of a ship-owner and the wife of Mckonnen who is the leader of the Republicans in the congress.

All these people spent millions the past two years supporting various republican politicians to make sure they can run the USA and they promised to support the interest of the working class.

President elected Trump promised to support all those hard working people that lost their jobs and I am sure the above will do their best in their positions of power. ??? :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 02, 2016, 05:46:49 AM

I think that some people will be surprised at how effective Team Trump will be.

Levels of reality, wiz, levels of reality.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 02, 2016, 06:24:00 AM

Quote from: Maxx on December 01, 2016, 01:35:47 PM

My head is swimming!

The libs are clawing at the inside of the coffin. First, they are not going to overturn the votes in any of the contested states.

Second, even if the election were thrown to the House, each state delegation gets ONE vote, and the GOP has an advantage in number of state delegations controlled by a wide margin. Interestingly, the House chooses between the top 3 vote-getters, so Gary Johnson would be an option, but the House would dutifully select Trump or it would face rebellion from the electorate and the GOP would cease to exist as a national party.

The Senate, also controlled by the GOP, would select the VP from the top two vote-getters and they would select Pence.

It's all over except for the shouting.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 02, 2016, 06:34:58 AM

Quote from: B.B. on December 02, 2016, 06:24:00 AM

Quote from: Maxx on December 01, 2016, 01:35:47 PM
My head is swimming!

The libs are clawing at the inside of the coffin. First, they are not going to overturn the votes in any of the contested states.

Second, even if the election were thrown to the House, each state delegation gets ONE vote, and the GOP has an advantage in number of state delegations controlled by a wide margin. Interestingly, the House chooses between the top 3 vote-getters, so Gary Johnson would be an option, but the House would dutifully select Trump or it would face rebellion from the electorate and the GOP would cease to exist as a national party.

The Senate, also controlled by the GOP, would select the VP from the top two vote-getters and they would select Pence.

It's all over except for the shouting.

B/B

Thanks that is good to hear. I know they and a lot of special interests are in a pure panic mode and desperate and will try anything.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 02, 2016, 07:06:11 AM

Quote from: B.B. on December 02, 2016, 06:24:00 AM

Quote from: Maxx on December 01, 2016, 01:35:47 PM
My head is swimming!

The libs are clawing at the inside of the coffin. First, they are not going to overturn the votes in any of the contested states.

Second, even if the election were thrown to the House, each state delegation gets ONE vote, and the GOP has an advantage in number of state delegations controlled by a wide margin. Interestingly, the House chooses between the top 3 vote-getters, so Gary Johnson would be an option, but the House would dutifully select Trump or it would face rebellion from the electorate and the GOP would cease to exist as a national party.

The Senate, also controlled by the GOP, would select the VP from the top two vote-getters and they would select Pence.

It's all over except for the shouting.

B/B

Clarity. Of course the left wing rags went into immediate attack mode on the Carrier deal. They truly are clueless and hateful towards what I call real American values. Of course there is a lot of work to be done! Of course we need more Carrier success stories! We the people chose the right man for the job. #16YearsofRepublicanRule

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 02, 2016, 07:40:36 AM

Ambitious first 100 days planned.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/pence-says-trump-administration-planning-ambitious-agenda/ar-AAl29su?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 02, 2016, 07:57:55 AM

Mark Wahlberg gives a dose of reality for celebrities who spoke out against Trump.

http://smokeroom.com/2016/12/01/mark-wahlberg-its-time-for-hollywood-to-shut-up-about-politics/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 02, 2016, 08:31:07 AM

propergander.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-propaganda-about-russian-propaganda

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 02, 2016, 08:51:32 AM

'New Era of Peace': Trump Vows to Stop Regime Change During 1st Stop of 'Thank You' Tour

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/new-era-peace-trump-vows-stop-us-toppling-regimes-during-1st-stop-thank-you-tour/ri17960

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 02, 2016, 12:57:58 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 02, 2016, 08:51:32 AM

'New Era of Peace': Trump Vows to Stop Regime Change During 1st Stop of 'Thank You' Tour

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/new-era-peace-trump-vows-stop-us-toppling-regimes-during-1st-stop-thank-you-tour/ri17960

Should he not be reading 'How to be a President for Dummies' before high fiving?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 02, 2016, 01:27:24 PM

Remember When Obama Mocked Trump for Not Having a 'Magic Wand' to Keep Carrier Jobs in the U.S.? Who's Laughing Now?

http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/12/02/remember-when-obama-mocked-trump-not-having-magic-wand-keep-carrier-jobs-us-whos-laughing

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 02, 2016, 04:51:41 PM

Chris Christie arrested for keying Donald Trump's limo

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/chris-christie-arrested-for-keying-trumps-limo

The guy must be as upset as TomT. BTW where is TomT?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 02, 2016, 06:17:19 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 02, 2016, 04:51:41 PM

Chris Christie arrested for keying Donald Trump's limo

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/chris-christie-arrested-for-keying-trumps-limo

The guy must be as upset as TomT. BTW where is TomT?

The satirical article was kinda funny, I'm sure Christie is a bit miffed about being overlooked for key positions. Trump wants the brightest and best unfortunately for Christie, he is not one of the best.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 02, 2016, 08:10:40 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 02, 2016, 06:17:19 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 02, 2016, 04:51:41 PM
Chris Christie arrested for keying Donald Trump's limo

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/chris-christie-arrested-for-keying-trumps-limo

The guy must be as upset as TomT. BTW where is TomT?

The satirical article was kinda funny, I'm sure Christie is a bit miffed about being overlooked for key positions. Trump wants the brightest and best unfortunately for Christie, he is not one of the best.

Chris Christie took a fall in stature because of the convictions from "Bridge gate", which implicated Chris. Trump had no choice but to distance himself.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 02, 2016, 08:21:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 02, 2016, 08:10:40 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 02, 2016, 06:17:19 PM
Quote from: Maxx on December 02, 2016, 04:51:41 PM
Chris Christie arrested for keying Donald Trump's limo

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/chris-christie-arrested-for-keying-trumps-limo

The guy must be as upset as TomT. BTW where is TomT?

The satirical article was kinda funny, I'm sure Christie is a bit miffed about being overlooked for key positions. Trump wants the brightest and best unfortunately for Christie, he is not one of the best.

Chris Christie took a fall in stature because of the convictions from "Bridge gate", which implicated Chris. Trump had no choice but to distance himself.

That's why Christie lost it and keyed Trump's limo.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 02, 2016, 08:44:29 PM

Parody.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 03, 2016, 05:33:18 PM

The Pennsylvania recount has been stopped. Green Party (Stein) didn't have enough green. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 03, 2016, 07:28:29 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 03, 2016, 05:33:18 PM

The Pennsylvania recount has been stopped. Green Party (Stein) didn't have enough green. :ROFL:

In which case the re-count effort is over--even if MI and WI were overturned, Trump would still have 280 electoal votes, down fro the 306 he has now.

I realize it's the leftoids' wet dream that enough Trump electors defect to Hillary to throw her the election, but that ain't gonna happen.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 03, 2016, 10:26:19 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 03, 2016, 07:28:29 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 03, 2016, 05:33:18 PM
The Pennsylvania recount has been stopped. Green Party (Stein) didn't have enough green. :ROFL:

In which case the re-count effort is over--even if MI and WI were overturned, Trump would still have 280 electoal votes, down fro the 306 he has now.

I realize it's the leftoids' wet dream that enough Trump electors defect to Hillary to throw her the election, but that ain't gonna happen.

B/B

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyzsywFXcAAmQ93.jpg)

Plus 1,100 Carrier jobs saved and nice little Eff you to China. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 03, 2016, 10:37:27 PM

Frat boys for Trump.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/annehelenpetersen/the-trump-bros-have-found-their-safe-space?utm_term=.geKPJoQvx#.lwPK7vw8P

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 03, 2016, 11:05:21 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 03, 2016, 10:26:19 PM

and nice little Eff you to China. :laugh:

Yes! that is why he did it and took the congratulatory call of the Taiwanese president! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 03, 2016, 11:30:35 PM

Too funny!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on December 04, 2016, 12:33:35 AM

Quote from: Maxx on December 03, 2016, 11:05:21 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 03, 2016, 10:26:19 PM
and nice little Eff you to China. :laugh:

Yes! that is why he did it and took the congratulatory call of the Taiwanese president! :laugh:

His first error.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 04, 2016, 12:52:42 AM

Quote from: Manny on December 04, 2016, 12:33:35 AM

Quote from: Maxx on December 03, 2016, 11:05:21 PM
Quote from: Confederate on December 03, 2016, 10:26:19 PM
and nice little Eff you to China. :laugh:

Yes! that is why he did it and took the congratulatory call of the Taiwanese president! :laugh:

His first error.

How so? Start of a trade war?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on December 04, 2016, 12:53:28 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 03, 2016, 05:33:18 PM

The Pennsylvania recount has been stopped. Green Party (Stein) didn't have enough green. :ROFL:

She has not given up yet..

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38198703

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 04, 2016, 12:54:45 AM

No, he set a marker for future negotiations with China. What he did was set an implied negotiating position. That can be walked back in the future but only in exchange for a concession from the Chinese (at least that's the expectation).

The Chinese understand this as shown by the manner in which they responded - referring to the call as 'shenanigans'. They understand negotiations in a way that USAians no longer do.

In addition Trump was seeking another case where he could (and did) demonstrate the new broom sweeping clean. The ford and Carrier cases being earlier examples.

The guy is becoming president before being inaugurated.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 04, 2016, 01:16:39 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 04, 2016, 12:54:45 AM

No, he set a marker for future negotiations with China. What he did was set an implied negotiating position. That can be walked back in the future but only in exchange for a concession from the Chinese (at least that's the expectation).

The Chinese understand this as shown by the manner in which they responded - referring to the call as 'shenanigans'. They understand negotiations in a way that USAians no longer do.

In addition Trump was seeking another case where he could (and did) demonstrate the new broom sweeping clean. The ford and Carrier cases being earlier examples.

The guy is becoming president before being inaugurated.

Thanks for that Andrew. It makes sense.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 04, 2016, 06:36:58 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 04, 2016, 12:54:45 AM

No, he set a marker for future negotiations with China. What he did was set an implied negotiating position. That can be walked back in the future but only in exchange for a concession from the Chinese (at least that's the expectation).

The Chinese understand this as shown by the manner in which they responded - referring to the call as 'shenanigans'. They understand negotiations in a way that USAians no longer do.

In addition Trump was seeking another case where he could (and did) demonstrate the new broom sweeping clean. The ford and Carrier cases being earlier examples.

The guy is becoming president before being inaugurated.

Clarity. Someone who understands negotiations and Trump both.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 04, 2016, 06:38:51 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on December 04, 2016, 12:53:28 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 03, 2016, 05:33:18 PM
The Pennsylvania recount has been stopped. Green Party (Stein) didn't have enough green. :ROFL:

She has not given up yet..

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38198703

Put a fork in it, she's done. Their (Soros, Clinton as the puppet masters) little scheme failed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 04, 2016, 06:56:14 AM

A typical MSM article on the call to Taiwan.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trumps-call-inspires-hope-in-taiwan-concern-in-beijing/ar-AAl7uWt?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 04, 2016, 01:04:31 PM

Giuliani Out As Sec of State - Failed Vetting Process Due To Lobbying

http://russia-insider.com/en/breaking-giuliani-out-sec-state-failed-vetting-process-due-lobbying/ri17975

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 04, 2016, 02:21:29 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2016, 01:04:31 PM

Giuliani Out As Sec of State - Failed Vetting Process Due To Lobbying

http://russia-insider.com/en/breaking-giuliani-out-sec-state-failed-vetting-process-due-lobbying/ri17975

You would think Romney would have the same problem with all the ties he has to special interests.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 04, 2016, 04:30:05 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2016, 01:04:31 PM

Giuliani Out As Sec of State - Failed Vetting Process Due To Lobbying

I'm hoping for John Bolton.

Meanwhile, I'd put Romney in charge of the VA, given what a turnaround artist he is.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 04, 2016, 05:55:32 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 04, 2016, 04:30:05 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2016, 01:04:31 PM
Giuliani Out As Sec of State - Failed Vetting Process Due To Lobbying

I'm hoping for John Bolton.

Meanwhile, I'd put Romney in charge of the VA, given what a turnaround artist he is.

B/B

I've read some good things about Congressman Dana Rohrabacher.
From what I have gathered, he is a strong possibility for the position.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 04, 2016, 06:34:12 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2016, 05:55:32 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 04, 2016, 04:30:05 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2016, 01:04:31 PM
Giuliani Out As Sec of State - Failed Vetting Process Due To Lobbying

I'm hoping for John Bolton.

Meanwhile, I'd put Romney in charge of the VA, given what a turnaround artist he is.

B/B

I've read some good things about Congressman Dana Rohrabacher.
From what I have gathered, he is a strong possibility for the position.

Rohrbacher or Patraeus I like. Bolton the neo-con under Bush Jr. not so much.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-secretary-of-state-search-candidates-2016-12

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 04, 2016, 06:39:55 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 04, 2016, 04:30:05 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2016, 01:04:31 PM
Giuliani Out As Sec of State - Failed Vetting Process Due To Lobbying

I'm hoping for John Bolton.

Meanwhile, I'd put Romney in charge of the VA, given what a turnaround artist he is.

B/B

Provided Romney agrees with the concept of a Universal card for Veterans so they can get care anywhere w/out a hassle that would be okay. Overall the VA medical centers and clinics over time should be slowly phased out as care switches to mostly private. Romney could fix it temporarily but the only permanent fix is shut it down. Why? At the end of a Trump administration if Democrats got back into power it goes back to big bonus's for creeps in charge to kill or maim vets.

Palin is out she shot herself in the foot by criticizing the Carrier deal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on December 04, 2016, 08:11:07 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2016, 05:55:32 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 04, 2016, 04:30:05 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2016, 01:04:31 PM
Giuliani Out As Sec of State - Failed Vetting Process Due To Lobbying

I'm hoping for John Bolton.

Meanwhile, I'd put Romney in charge of the VA, given what a turnaround artist he is.

B/B

I've read some good things about Congressman Dana Rohrabacher.
From what I have gathered, he is a strong possibility for the position.

I am a vet that relies on the VA. I don't trust any of them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on December 04, 2016, 11:24:33 PM

Obamacare just doubled my wife's medical insurance from $450 to $850 per month!!! That is almost 50% of her annual wages.

she sees the doctor twice a month! How does one call it an affordable health plan?

she only makes about $25K because no one wants to hire full time and pay the added costs for health insurance.

She works for three different dental offices.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 05, 2016, 12:34:54 AM

Quote from: yankee on December 04, 2016, 11:24:33 PM

Obamacare just doubled my wife's medical insurance from $450 to $850 per month!!! That is almost 50% of her annual wages.

she sees the doctor twice a month! How does one call it an affordable health plan?

she only makes about $25K because no one wants to hire full time and pay the added costs for health insurance.

She works for three different dental offices.

And it was only going to get worse if Shillary had won. Thank God people got out and voted! It was truly an apocalypse waiting to happen. Now we have some breathing room. Unfortunately the globalists are unrelenting and will regroup.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on December 05, 2016, 01:48:23 AM

Trump has come out with something else rather silly.

Quote

Did China ask us if it was OK to devalue their currency (making it hard for our companies to compete), heavily tax our products going into..their country (the U.S. doesn't tax them) or to build a massive military complex in the middle of the South China Sea? I don't think so!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/805538149157969924

:'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 05, 2016, 02:51:34 AM

No, what Trump is doing is laying out the parameters of future discussions.

China IS changing its monetary policy and that DOES affect the US. Yes, it is true that a relative increase in the US dollar equals a relative decrease in the value of the yuan but at the same time policy choices by, for example, the Chinese central bank also pay a part and the central bank has chosen to widen its peg away from the fixed regime of a few years ago. The effect IS to make Chinese exports relatively less expensive in dollar terms which has a direct effect upon manufacturing in the USA.

Think of it this way: you buy and sell stuff, yes? And, over the years I have no doubt that you have come to consider yourself a decent negotiator, yes?

When you are making an offer to buy something, for example your next Bentley, will you offer the vendor the sticker price of the car or will you offer a price lower than your red line price?

My guess is that you will offer lower than your red line price because you know that the Bentley sales person will counter with an offer. Your offer has signalled that you will not buy the car at sticker price. His counter indicates that he will sell for less than the sticker price.

In the end you will arrive at a compromise that you can both live with.

That's exactly what Trump is doing now!
Trump has made it clear that he is concerned about Chinese economic policy and, as a patriotic USAian, he is absolutely right to be concerned. Discussions about exchange rate policy will be a feature of Sino-US trade negotiations moving forward.

Note how, at the same time, Trump is opening negotiations with domestic manufacturers who are wont to increase the scale of their offshoring?

He understands that there are two clear stakeholders in terms of offshore manufacturer. There's the hosts of the manufactures and the domestic companies that manufacture in the offshore host countries. Trump is clearly setting up a situation whereby offshoring becomes less attractive for domestic manufacturers and where the economic benefits of offshoring to the host country is reduced.

This is not silly stuff at all. It is smart. You may, or may not, agree with the policy and political concepts underlying the negotiations but it is simply wrong to suggest that Trump is doing anything silly - he absolutely isn't!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 05, 2016, 04:01:20 AM

Quote from: yankee on December 04, 2016, 11:24:33 PM

Obamacare just doubled my wife's medical insurance from $450 to $850 per month!!! That is almost 50% of her annual wages.

My God! Yankee! That is awful!

I'm faced with having to get a medical insurance policy. With my Social Security payment being as low as it is I can't see how I can afford it. Fortunately before that I was able to qualify for Medicaid on account of my income being so miserably low on account of the actions of my ex-wife. Now with that mess straighten out and my income back up I don't qualify anymore. For me the answer is to leave the country. Medical insurance costs is breaking people!

Of course Obama says @ 0:34 in this video "and making healthcare more affordable to all Americans." You don't agree with that Yankee?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BC on December 05, 2016, 05:31:53 AM

If everyone were enrolled in similar national healthcare schemes prices would likely drop as risks are spread out.

Obamacare did not really mandate that everyone enroll, instead penalties that affected few (and enforcement with no teeth) and plans that only covered some states results in very small pools of mostly high risk folks.

It was a good idea, but after the cooks in Congress stirred and stirred the result was not Top Chef quality..

Can't get more out of what you put into a half-assed attempt if your spice shelf has been locked.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 05, 2016, 06:02:45 AM

Free at the point of use, paid from a national tax based upon incomes with a cut-off level at top and bottom as we do in the UK and other parts of the civilised world is the way to go.

The idea that people should have to make a choice for their own death should be repugnant to all civilised humans.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 05, 2016, 07:48:28 AM

Quote from: BC on December 05, 2016, 05:31:53 AM

If everyone were enrolled in similar national healthcare schemes prices would likely drop as risks are spread out.

Obamacare did not really mandate that everyone enroll, instead penalties that affected few (and enforcement with no teeth) and plans that only covered some states results in very small pools of mostly high risk folks.

It was a good idea, but after the cooks in Congress stirred and stirred the result was not Top Chef quality..

Can't get more out of what you put into a half-assed attempt if your spice shelf has been locked.

Watch carefully what Trump does in regards to health care. The man who is going to run it is a Surgeon. Trump will increase competition, especially from state to state. It will be a much better result than single payer, you can be sure of this. It may take a year or two but the end result will be far better than Obama Care aka "ACA" ever was or ever could have been.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 05, 2016, 08:51:11 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 05, 2016, 07:48:28 AM

Watch carefully what Trump does in regards to health care. The man who is going to run it is a Surgeon. Trump will increase competition, especially from state to state. It will be a much better result than single payer, you can be sure of this. It may take a year or two but the end result will be far better than Obama Care aka "ACA" ever was or ever could have been.

I think that the ACA was designed to fail, i.e., to create a Giant Pile of Suck so that the Big Government types could say, "Oh, clearly we need to implement a single payer system to fix this." IOW, what they wanted all along.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on December 05, 2016, 09:43:00 AM

Quote from: B.B. on December 05, 2016, 08:51:11 AM

I think that the ACA was designed to fail, i.e., to create a Giant Pile of Suck so that the Big Government types could say, "Oh, clearly we need to implement a single payer system to fix this." IOW, what they wanted all along.

B/B

Agreed. That was the tactic. The next move would have been to an andrewfi "national health" system

Quote from: andrewfi on December 05, 2016, 06:02:45 AM

Free at the point of use, paid from a national tax based upon incomes with a cut-off level at top and bottom as we do in the UK and other parts of the civilized world is the way to go.

I am already on record as pointing out that this is the WORST system of all from an individuals point of view. No choice is possible. No direct connection between the service provider and the person who receives the service. No competition to keep down prices and improve quality. I could go on and on...

What is needed is a situation where there is competition between providers and people PAY for the level of care they can afford. Simples tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 05, 2016, 10:14:50 AM

Les, it is maybe a while since you were in the UK but the reality is that ever since its inception private health care has been available for those who choose to pay for it.The two systems complement each other very well.

Everybody gets access to some of the best healthcare in the world and nobody needs to choose to live or die based upon their bank account or credit rating. Objectively we know the British system works better than the sorry excuse for health care in the US.

For those who want more, private care is easily available and very affordable. I still pay less than £1000 per year for private care when I want it.

I am as one with the capitalists and employers who were supporters of the NHS before it was set up.They realised that a healthy workforce was an asset to businesses and the country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on December 05, 2016, 11:05:37 AM

Andrew,

I won't reiterate all the arguments I have previously made previously. It merely wastes my time...

If it were my choice I would abolish the NHS immediately and replace it with a universal personal health insurance scheme. I would break up the health providers into at least a dozen competing companies - not based on geographic regions. You get what you pay for. I don't want my taxes wasted on giving free triple bypass surgery to a lifelong benefit claimant - understand? If he needs such surgery, he should pay for it, if he can't he dies sooner. So simple as that.

You see I am NOT A SOCIALIST. The bleeding heart liberal "sob stories" have no affect whatsoever on my moral standpoint. You must look after yourself and your family. If I want to be charitable, I choose to do it. The money I have earned should not be confiscated by the government to support people who don't look after themselves.

You decry American people from a smug Scandinavian viewpoint. You have never lived and worked there as I have for many years. You simply don't understand the American perspective, perhaps because you have never bothered to try...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BC on December 05, 2016, 12:04:41 PM

Quote from: leslied on December 05, 2016, 11:05:37 AM

If it were my choice I would abolish the NHS immediately and replace it with a universal personal health insurance scheme. I would break up the health providers into at least a dozen competing companies - not based on geographic regions.

Why screw around with something like NHS that works with costs per capita half of that in the US?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Total_health_expenditure_per_capita%2C_US_Dollars_PPP.png)

Germany is a good example of a multi payer system where insurers and funds share the government healthcare marketplace and compete with each other. Private insurance also is available that may have a few perks here and there for those with higher levels of income. It's also the oldest 'universal' healthcare system around.

If you're worried about others getting more than what they pay for it's happening already in the US. 65% of all healthcare in the US is paid for by the government via YOUR taxes anyway. Medical bankruptcy is common and those costs are passed along as well by banks and other credit institutions. The uninsured will mostly get taken care of in emergencies and those costs make up a part of the high bill you or your insurer pays. The family that loses their home or job because of an accident or major sickness may end up in public housing getting food stamps and other benefits that is paid for by none other than you or your next generations.

The highest costs are most likely in the last few years of life when health declines.. paid for by Medicare or such by whom?

To me it's not about socialism, it's about standardization and being able to leverage costs with large numbers of insured.. and that is what did not happen with Obamacare.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 05, 2016, 01:55:12 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 05, 2016, 08:51:11 AM

I think that the ACA was designed to fail, i.e., to create a Giant Pile of Suck so that the Big Government types could say, "Oh, clearly we need to implement a single payer system to fix this." IOW, what they wanted all along.

B/B

100% correct B.B.

The only problem is that I don't think the Democrats thought the whole thing would implode so quickly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 05, 2016, 02:19:26 PM

Interesting stats on why there is an electoral college

There are 3,141 counties in the United States.
Trump won 3,084 of them.
Clinton won 57.

There are 62 counties in New York State.
Trump won 46 of them.
Clinton won 16.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 05, 2016, 03:07:45 PM

Political philosophy of Steve Bannon. For fans of Economics this is a must view as he quickly goes into the financial crisis of 2008 and goes through the math of how much liquidity had been required to avoid a rollover.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 05, 2016, 08:16:16 PM

Jill Stein's attempt to dethrone Donald Trump did not have much impact. :chuckle:

Philadelphia: Jill Stein’s Recount Picks Up Five Votes for Hillary Clinton

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/12/05/philadelphia-jill-stein-recount-picks-up-five-votes-for-hillary-clinton/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 06, 2016, 07:30:30 AM

Quote from: shakespear on December 05, 2016, 01:55:12 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 05, 2016, 08:51:11 AM
I think that the ACA was designed to fail, i.e., to create a Giant Pile of Suck so that the Big Government types could say, "Oh, clearly we need to implement a single payer system to fix this." IOW, what they wanted all along.

B/B

100% correct B.B.

The only problem is that I don't think the Democrats thought the whole thing would implode so quickly.

Yes, the goal was 100 percent govt. control of health care -- regressives always think they know better how to do stuff, than the actual Doctors who have mostly been against the ACA and certainly against single payer.

From now on I am calling "progressives" regressives. Why? Their ultimate goal is control, power and abuse of the middle class. They want to wipe out the middle class, just like Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.

No thanks regressives. The World does not need to regress back to the Russian revolution. Centralized control is abuse of local people. Centralized control destroys competition for goods and services. NO.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on December 06, 2016, 12:58:44 PM

The first thing the Trump should do when he gets into the WH, is break the US Unions, its them that stopping manufacturing from moving forward....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 06, 2016, 01:38:42 PM

Trump Wants to Cancel Boeing's $4B New Air Force One Order: Costs 'Out of Control'

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/762419?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1698775_12062016&s=al&dkt_nbr=2bg1neof&section=Politics&keywords=Trump-Tweets-Cancel-Order&year=2016&month=12&date=06&id=762419&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on December 06, 2016, 05:01:00 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 05, 2016, 08:51:11 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 05, 2016, 07:48:28 AM
Watch carefully what Trump does in regards to health care. The man who is going to run it is a Surgeon. Trump will increase competition, especially from state to state. It will be a much better result than single payer, you can be sure of this. It may take a year or two but the end result will be far better than Obama Care aka "ACA" ever was or ever could have been.

I think that the ACA was designed to fail, i.e., to create a Giant Pile of Suck so that the Big Government types could say, "Oh, clearly we need to implement a single payer system to fix this." IOW, what they wanted all along.

B/B

Yes, typical govt plan is Create Problem - Public Reaction - Offer Solution.

Teddy Kennedy was pushing for this to be implemented since the 1980s. Hillary had HillaryCare, and later, worked to get money to pay off med schools so they would graduate less doctors, under the (stupid) view that less doctors means less costs.

What scotched it this time is that people have even more suspicion than before for govt plans; Jonathan Gruber's youtube videos; and the Veterans Administration well-publicized problems with providing health care.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 06, 2016, 05:58:35 PM

Not that the recount matters, but it is just possible Hillary may have lost by an even larger percentage in Michigan.

News

Michigan Recount Results Day 1: Problems Found in Clinton Strongholds

http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/michigan-recount-results-day-1-update-missing-ballots-margin-laws-totals-detroit-ruling-update-wayne-county-rules/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 06, 2016, 06:24:11 PM

Trump announces Japanese corporate giant is investing $50 billion in the U.S.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/06/trump-announces-japanese-bank-investing-50-billion-in-the-united-states/?utm_term=.159fa05940a6

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 06, 2016, 07:28:57 PM

Steven Strauss does not like Trump, but he does make a strong case to why Hillary lost, and many can agree the Clintons should step aside.

The Clintons have done enough damage: Steven Strauss

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/12/06/hillary-clinton-campaign-stupid-stuff-steven-strauss/94990920/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 07, 2016, 05:17:25 PM

Latest on the recount effort. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

http://planetfreewill.com/2016/12/07/millions-wasted-dollars-later-trump-gains-votes-recount-wisconsin/

(https://t.co/w8z2S3f3JD)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 07, 2016, 07:50:25 PM

Federal judge halts recount, sealing Trump's Michigan win

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/07/federal-judge-halts-recount-sealing-trumps-michigan-win.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 07, 2016, 08:44:42 PM

:popcorn:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzH8fIzUoAEAsCx.jpg:large)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on December 08, 2016, 01:23:42 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2016, 07:50:25 PM

Federal judge halts recount, sealing Trump's Michigan win

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/07/federal-judge-halts-recount-sealing-trumps-michigan-win.html

From your article:
They reported minor changes in vote totals, although many precincts couldn't be examined for a second time for a variety of reasons.

Scary stuff, so a recount wasn't even possible, therefore there can be no checks and balances of the democratic process. You will just have to take the word of the gov't that the count was correct.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on December 08, 2016, 05:43:13 AM

Quote from: Markje on December 08, 2016, 01:23:42 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2016, 07:50:25 PM
Federal judge halts recount, sealing Trump's Michigan win

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/07/federal-judge-halts-recount-sealing-trumps-michigan-win.html

From your article:
They reported minor changes in vote totals, although many precincts couldn't be examined for a second time for a variety of reasons.

Scary stuff, so a recount wasn't even possible, therefore there can be no checks and balances of the democratic process. You will just have to take the word of the gov't that the count was correct.

You should read the article.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on December 08, 2016, 07:45:37 AM

Quote from: yankee on December 08, 2016, 05:43:13 AM

Quote from: Markje on December 08, 2016, 01:23:42 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2016, 07:50:25 PM
Federal judge halts recount, sealing Trump's Michigan win

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/07/federal-judge-halts-recount-sealing-trumps-michigan-win.html

From your article:
They reported minor changes in vote totals, although many precincts couldn't be examined for a second time for a variety of reasons.

Scary stuff, so a recount wasn't even possible, therefore there can be no checks and balances of the democratic process. You will just have to take the word of the gov't that the count was correct.

You should read the article.

I did, the quote is directly (and in-context) from the article.

Quote

They reported minor changes in vote totals, although many precincts couldn't be examined for a second time for a variety of reasons.

The bolded part is what I responded to.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 08, 2016, 08:39:56 AM

Quote from: Markje on December 08, 2016, 07:45:37 AM

Quote from: yankee on December 08, 2016, 05:43:13 AM
Quote from: Markje on December 08, 2016, 01:23:42 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2016, 07:50:25 PM
Federal judge halts recount, sealing Trump's Michigan win

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/07/federal-judge-halts-recount-sealing-trumps-michigan-win.html

From your article:
They reported minor changes in vote totals, although many precincts couldn't be examined for a second time for a variety of reasons.

Scary stuff, so a recount wasn't even possible, therefore there can be no checks and balances of the democratic process. You will just have to take the word of the gov't that the count was correct.

You should read the article.
I did, the quote is directly (and in-context) from the article.
Quote
They reported minor changes in vote totals, although many precincts couldn't be examined for a second time for a variety of reasons.
The bolded part is what I responded to.

Recounts can be done as we seen happen with Bush and Gore in Florida.
The end result still can raise doubt to the accuracy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 08, 2016, 09:51:54 AM

Quote from: Markje on December 08, 2016, 07:45:37 AM

Quote from: yankee on December 08, 2016, 05:43:13 AM
Quote from: Markje on December 08, 2016, 01:23:42 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2016, 07:50:25 PM
Federal judge halts recount, sealing Trump's Michigan win

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/07/federal-judge-halts-recount-sealing-trumps-michigan-win.html

From your article:
They reported minor changes in vote totals, although many precincts couldn't be examined for a second time for a variety of reasons.

Scary stuff, so a recount wasn't even possible, therefore there can be no checks and balances of the democratic process. You will just have to take the word of the gov't that the count was correct.

You should read the article.
I did, the quote is directly (and in-context) from the article.
Quote
They reported minor changes in vote totals, although many precincts couldn't be examined for a second time for a variety of reasons.
The bolded part is what I responded to.

Trump gained about 85 votes, Hillary about 50, net gain for Trump. Tiny errors on the overall scale. Jill Stein is not an "aggrieved party" because she NEVER was even remotely close to being a contender. Case dismissed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 08, 2016, 09:56:23 AM

In Detroit, Michigan there is hard evidence of Hillary/DNC vote fraud. No big surprise.

http://alexanderhiggins.com/vote-fraud-12-michigan-hillary-vote-disqualified-recount/

Mark, you should read the details of this one!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 08, 2016, 12:28:49 PM

We've been bombarded by the media that DJT was a cold hearted racist. Then there is this.

http://www.infowars.com/black-homeless-woman-says-trump-allowed-her-to-live-in-trump-tower-rent-free-for-8-years/

BLACK HOMELESS WOMAN SAYS TRUMP ALLOWED HER TO LIVE IN TRUMP TOWER RENT FREE FOR 8 YEARS
This doesn't fit with the media's portrayal of Trump as a racist bigot
Paul Joseph Watson | Infowars.com - DECEMBER 8, 2016

This doesn’t quite fit with the media’s portrayal of Trump as a rich, racist bigot.

A homeless black woman reveals that she has been living in Trump Tower for eight years with the blessings of the Donald himself.
Filming from her hotel window, the woman says she originally snuck in the building before becoming a squatter in one of the empty rooms. Police arrived the next day and told the woman to leave or she’d be arrested.
“When I told them I would not go, they contacted Mr. Trump over the phone and he came down here. Instead of evicting me off the property, he said that I can stay and it’s been eight years I’ve been here,” the woman reveals.
“Not only did he not evict me off the property, he made sure that I ate three meals a day by room service and that I get a delivery of fresh flowers every week,” she adds.
The African-American woman expresses her displeasure at the characterization of Trump as a “bad guy”.
“If it weren’t for him I’d be homeless – I’d be dead right now, I’d be in the street,” she says, adding that Trump hasn’t asked her to pay a dime.
“Donald Trump is not a bad guy, he’s a wonderful wonderful man, and everything I’m telling you today is true,” she concludes.
Trump is renowned for his acts of kindness towards people in unfortunate circumstances, although the mainstream media is loathe to mention them.
After Oscar-winning actress Jennifer Hudson’s brother and mother were murdered in 2008, Trump offered a hotel suite for Hudson and her family and paid the cost for her entire stay.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 08, 2016, 04:00:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 08, 2016, 09:56:23 AM

In Detroit, Michigan there is hard evidence of Hillary/DNC vote fraud. No big surprise.

http://alexanderhiggins.com/vote-fraud-12-michigan-hillary-vote-disqualified-recount/

Mark, you should read the details of this one!

From what I have seen, I don't think this is fraud. This is multiple attempts to read a vote so that several attempts to record a vote have been made, due to machine or user error, but only one was successful - which is as it should be. This is not a case of multiple votes being recorded but of multiple attempts to record the same vote, with one successful, proper, record having been made.

This is analogous to making a photocopy where several attempts to make a copy are made. The logging on the machine will show the attempts and will show them as copies. However the one 'proper' copy is the single copy that was desired and ordered. The discrepancy is a signal that the machine is faulty and needs repair.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 08, 2016, 06:42:46 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 08, 2016, 04:00:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 08, 2016, 09:56:23 AM
In Detroit, Michigan there is hard evidence of Hillary/DNC vote fraud. No big surprise.

http://alexanderhiggins.com/vote-fraud-12-michigan-hillary-vote-disqualified-recount/

Mark, you should read the details of this one!
From what I have seen, I don't think this is fraud. This is multiple attempts to read a vote so that several attempts to record a vote have been made, due to machine or user error, but only one was successful - which is as it should be. This is not a case of multiple votes being recorded but of multiple attempts to record the same vote, with one successful, proper, record having been made.

This is analogous to making a photocopy where several attempts to make a copy are made. The logging on the machine will show the attempts and will show them as copies. However the one 'proper' copy is the single copy that was desired and ordered. The discrepancy is a signal that the machine is faulty and needs repair.

It is also possible and based on past immoral behavior it's likely that those scanning the votes were Democrats who thought they might be able to boost the count for Shillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 08, 2016, 07:43:34 PM

Trump thank you for victory rally in Des Moines, Iowa.

During this rally Trump announced his pick to be Ambassador to China as Iowa Governor Terry Branstad.

https://governor.iowa.gov/2016/12/gov-branstad-issues-statement-on-being-nominated-to-serve-as-the-us-ambassador-to-china

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 09, 2016, 06:43:05 AM

Trump and the media.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzMmlaeUAAEvjvO.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 09, 2016, 06:54:22 AM

Confederate, you misunderstood. The error ocurred at the point of voting. Kinda like how people press the 'enter' key on a computer keyboard repeatedly in order to make an action happen, or happen faster. A multitude of keystrokes but only a single action.

It is beyond credible that there was not cheating in the US election, Democrat supporters have given broadcast TV interviews stating exactly what they did - but this one, well, no.

Here's a problem though. When you (as people who get misled in general, not you individually) het misled and start bruiting around fantasy as fact then the credibility of the whole message is diminished. If you want to get upset about vote rigging and cheating then look to the Democrat primaries and don't continue to be misled by people who have no interest in uncovering, or sharing, truth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 09, 2016, 06:59:02 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 09, 2016, 06:54:22 AM

Confederate, you misunderstood. The error ocurred at the point of voting. Kinda like how people press the 'enter' key on a computer keyboard repeatedly in order to make an action happen, or happen faster. A multitude of keystrokes but only a single action.

It is beyond credible that there was not cheating in the US election, Democrat supporters have given broadcast TV interviews stating exactly what they did - but this one, well, no.

Here's a problem though. When you (as people who get misled in general, not you individually) het misled and start bruiting around fantasy as fact then the credibility of the whole message is diminished. If you want to get upset about vote rigging and cheating then look to the Democrat primaries and don't continue to be misled by people who have no interest in uncovering, or sharing, truth.

Well you are correct there was no doubt that Hillary and the DNC conspired to cheat Bernie Sanders which they did. Too bad that he told his supporters to vote for her: that was a mistake on his part.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 09, 2016, 07:07:49 AM

This is coming from a Orange County College professor Ms Olga Cox

Quote

“…white supremacist and a vice president that is one of the most anti-gay humans in this country. And so we are in for a difficult time but again I do believe that we can get past that. Our nation is divided, we have been assaulted, it’s an act of terrorism.
“One of the most frightening things for me and most people in my life is that the people creating the assault are among us. It is not some stranger from some other country coming and attacking our sense of what it means to be an American and the things that we stand for and that makes it more painful because I’m sure that all of us have people in our families and our circle of friends that are part of that movement and it is very difficult – we are way beyond Republicans and Democrats and we’re really being back to being at civil war – I don’t mean that in a fighting way but our nation is divided as clearly as it was in Civil War times. And my hope is we will get leadership to help overcome that.
“I will go over some coping skills but before i do that I want you to know that the optimist in me, first of all, we are the majority, more of us voted to not have that kind of leadership, and we didn’t win because of the way our electoral college is set up but we are the majority and that’s helping me to feel better. I’m relieved that we live in California it is one of the best states and I love that and I love living here but i’m especially proud of our legislature who did put out a message – one of the things i’m doing to cope is to look for positive messages and look for some hope that’s the optimist in me-and californai legislative leaders did put something… and these are things you can find….”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 09, 2016, 01:38:43 PM

Obama Orders Review of Election Hacking

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/763153?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1699280_12092016&s=al&dkt_nbr=f2mtmazn&section=Newsfront&keywords=Obama-Election-Hacking&year=2016&month=12&date=09&id=763153&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 09, 2016, 02:53:58 PM

One thing that I find very annoying is what hucksters the Trump make America great again turned out to be.
I did contribute to the campaign, and since it has been anywhere from 2-6 e-mails per day selling just about everything Donald Trump.
Sure Trump did put up some of his own money for the campaign, but I wouldn't doubt he has more than recovered his investment, and turned a nice profit.
Now if all proceeds were going to charity then maybe it would be a bit more acceptable, but nowhere in the solicitations does it say where the money is going?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 10, 2016, 12:15:07 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 09, 2016, 02:53:58 PM

One thing that I find very annoying is what hucksters the Trump make America great again turned out to be.
I did contribute to the campaign, and since it has been anywhere from 2-6 e-mails per day selling just about everything Donald Trump.
Sure Trump did put up some of his own money for the campaign, but I wouldn't doubt he has more than recovered his investment, and turned a nice profit.
Now if all proceeds were going to charity then maybe it would be a bit more acceptable, but nowhere in the solicitations does it say where the money is going?

I doubt that Trump has "more than recovered his investment, and turned a nice profit". I don't fault him for trying to though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 10, 2016, 09:11:50 AM

Donald Trump named as Time magazine's person of the year

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/07/donald-trump-named-as-time-magazines-person-of-the-year

and on the same paper.....

jonathan Freedland says: Person of the year shouldn’t be Donald Trump – it’s clearly Vladimir Putin

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/09/person-of-the-year-trump-putin-dreams-brexit-us-election-aleppo-post-truth?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=203529&subid=11190449&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

Don't forget to read the comments....

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 10, 2016, 01:58:50 PM

NBC News: Trump Chooses Rex Tillerson for Secretary of State

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/763271?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1699340_12102016&s=al&dkt_nbr=5ji43xdp&section=Politics&keywords=Tillerson-Secretary-State&year=2016&month=12&date=10&id=763271&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 10, 2016, 02:55:23 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 10, 2016, 01:58:50 PM

NBC News: Trump Chooses Rex Tillerson for Secretary of State

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/763271?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1699340_12102016&s=al&dkt_nbr=5ji43xdp&section=Politics&keywords=Tillerson-Secretary-State&year=2016&month=12&date=10&id=763271&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

"Tillerson has ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin that go back almost two decades. He was awarded the country’s Order of Friendship and as recently as 2015 visited with officials in Putin’s inner circle. That connection could make him a useful bridge between the Russian leader and Trump, who has repeatedly said he’d seek a more cooperative relationship with Moscow.

Sen. John McCain on Saturday that's concerning.

"You have to examine it. You want to give the president of the United States the benefit of the doubt because the people have spoken, but Vladimir Putin is a thug, a bully and a murderer, and anybody who describes him as anything else is lying," McCain said."

Mc Cain needs to retire

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 10, 2016, 03:00:56 PM

Obama and company are really pushing the Russian interference in the US election, must likely to draw attention away from the election fraud that does not implicate Russia.

Michigan Recount Exposes Clinton Electoral Fraud: Half of Detroit Votes Show Signs of Tampering

http://russia-insider.com/en/michigan-recount-exposes-clinton-electoral-fraud-half-detroit-votes-show-signs-tampering/ri18118

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 10, 2016, 03:28:27 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 10, 2016, 03:00:56 PM

Obama and company are really pushing the Russian interference in the US election, must likely to draw attention away from the election fraud that does not implicate Russia.

Michigan Recount Exposes Clinton Electoral Fraud: Half of Detroit Votes Show Signs of Tampering

http://russia-insider.com/en/michigan-recount-exposes-clinton-electoral-fraud-half-detroit-votes-show-signs-tampering/ri18118

"This is some next-level poetic justice: A Michigan recount backed by Jill Stein and the Democrats, and intended to deligitimize Trump's astonishing victory on November 8, has actually exposed widespread fraud in precincts which voted heavily for Clinton.

Hillary even sucks at cheating. Via the Detroit News: :laugh:

Michigan’s largest county voted overwhelmingly for Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, but officials couldn’t reconcile vote totals for 610 of 1,680 precincts during a countywide canvass of vote results late last month.

Most of those are in heavily Democratic Detroit, where the number of ballots in precinct poll books did not match those of voting machine printout reports in 59 percent of precincts, 392 of 662."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 10, 2016, 03:38:03 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 10, 2016, 02:55:23 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 10, 2016, 01:58:50 PM
NBC News: Trump Chooses Rex Tillerson for Secretary of State

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/763271?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1699340_12102016&s=al&dkt_nbr=5ji43xdp&section=Politics&keywords=Tillerson-Secretary-State&year=2016&month=12&date=10&id=763271&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

"Tillerson has ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin that go back almost two decades. He was awarded the country’s Order of Friendship and as recently as 2015 visited with officials in Putin’s inner circle. That connection could make him a useful bridge between the Russian leader and Trump, who has repeatedly said he’d seek a more cooperative relationship with Moscow.

Sen. John McCain on Saturday that's concerning.

"You have to examine it. You want to give the president of the United States the benefit of the doubt because the people have spoken, but Vladimir Putin is a thug, a bully and a murderer, and anybody who describes him as anything else is lying," McCain said."

Mc Cain needs to retire

McCain supported the war in Iraq where estimates are that at least 500,000 civilians perished due to crossfire and mistakes. Can you tell me a war in the past 10 years where Russia under Putin killed 500K people?

And that is not all: McCain supported the bloodshed in Libya and he wanted military action in Syria. I should say more military action in Syria.

He definitely needs to retire.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 11, 2016, 04:56:03 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 10, 2016, 03:38:03 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 10, 2016, 02:55:23 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 10, 2016, 01:58:50 PM
NBC News: Trump Chooses Rex Tillerson for Secretary of State

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/763271?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1699340_12102016&s=al&dkt_nbr=5ji43xdp&section=Politics&keywords=Tillerson-Secretary-State&year=2016&month=12&date=10&id=763271&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

"Tillerson has ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin that go back almost two decades. He was awarded the country’s Order of Friendship and as recently as 2015 visited with officials in Putin’s inner circle. That connection could make him a useful bridge between the Russian leader and Trump, who has repeatedly said he’d seek a more cooperative relationship with Moscow.

Sen. John McCain on Saturday that's concerning.

"You have to examine it. You want to give the president of the United States the benefit of the doubt because the people have spoken, but Vladimir Putin is a thug, a bully and a murderer, and anybody who describes him as anything else is lying," McCain said."

Mc Cain needs to retire

McCain supported the war in Iraq where estimates are that at least 500,000 civilians perished due to crossfire and mistakes. Can you tell me a war in the past 10 years where Russia under Putin killed 500K people?

And that is not all: McCain supported the bloodshed in Libya and he wanted military action in Syria. I should say more military action in Syria.

He definitely needs to retire.

And he was stirring the pot in Ukraine right before the revolution.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 11, 2016, 05:25:14 AM

Soft coup under way.

This crap is about declaring the election void. I did not think this until the last day or so. I had thought it was about portraying Trump as being not in control of his election and transfer to presidency.

However, if we go down the road of creating an accepted truth that Russia interfered with the election then the clear outcome is that the election was invalid and that means Trump would not become president. In such a case, it seems tome that the narrative that would be presented is that the election was 'stolen' from Clinton and that she should therefore replace Trump.

If that scenario plays out then the United States will have become a fundamentally different society to that which we have thought it to be hitherto. You lot will not need elections any longer and, of course, if elections can be interfered with by those nasty evil Russians then the sensible counter measure is to do away with a general election for president and then, subsequently, for any elected political posts.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on December 11, 2016, 06:30:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 11, 2016, 05:25:14 AM

Soft coup under way.

This crap is about declaring the election void. I did not think this until the last day or so. I had thought it was about portraying Trump as being not in control of his election and transfer to presidency.

However, if we go down the road of creating an accepted truth that Russia interfered with the election then the clear outcome is that the election was invalid and that means Trump would not become president. In such a case, it seems tome that the narrative that would be presented is that the election was 'stolen' from Clinton and that she should therefore replace Trump.

I doubt it. So far all this is hearsay, there is no official report from the CIA, they are declining to comment about it. The Washington Post supposedly got the info from "undisclosed" high ranking US officials. If there was concrete evidence found here I'm sure the CIA would be acknowledging it.

Besides, think about what the released emails are all about. No one is disputing whether they are legitimate or not, if they were found to be fake then I could see your point. But all the emails did was give the voters more information about who they were voting for. How could you make a case about the election being invalid over that?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 11, 2016, 06:36:24 AM

Obama has commissioned an investigation that must report before inauguration. That's concrete. The fake news meme is real. The process of persuading USAians that the election was interfered with and that Trump's accession is invalid is real.

What we have is a load of indicators all pointing the same way. You might pick on any one, or even several of them, and discount them. Take the picture as a whole and then matters are different.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 11, 2016, 06:42:22 AM

Quote from: d672 on December 11, 2016, 06:30:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 11, 2016, 05:25:14 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on December 11, 2016, 05:25:14 AM
Soft coup under way.

This crap is about declaring the election void. I did not think this until the last day or so. I had thought it was about portraying Trump as being not in control of his election and transfer to presidency.

However, if we go down the road of creating an accepted truth that Russia interfered with the election then the clear outcome is that the election was invalid and that means Trump would not become president. In such a case, it seems tome that the narrative that would be presented is that the election was 'stolen' from Clinton and that she should therefore replace Trump.

If that scenario plays out then the United States will have become a fundamentally different society to that which we have thought it to be hitherto. You lot will not need elections any longer and, of course, if elections can be interfered with by those nasty evil Russians then the sensible counter measure is to do away with a general election for president and then, subsequently, for any elected political posts.

I doubt it. So far all this is hearsay, there is no official report from the CIA, they are declining to comment about it. The Washington Post supposedly got the info from "undisclosed" high ranking US officials. If there was concrete evidence found here I'm sure the CIA would be acknowledging it.

Besides, think about what the released emails are all about. No one is disputing whether they are legitimate or not, if they were found to be fake then I could see your point. But all the emails did was give the voters more information about who they were voting for. How could you make a case about the election being invalid over that?

Likewise I do not see this happening. (Andrew I thought I was the cynical one.)

I also have not seen a report, what I do find both odd and troubling is the response of Obama; because there is no official report. The article that is not official only serves to deepen the mistrust between the two nations. It will in some minds weaken the legitamacy of Trump's presidency much like Bush Jr. On the other hand if Trump was of Presidential caliber he would have given a statement condemning a foreign governments involvement and meddling in an sovereign nations election process.

To save a diatribe from Wiz I am aware that the US has done the same.

Modification after Andrews post.

Quote from: andrewfi on December 11, 2016, 06:36:24 AM

Obama has commissioned an investigation that must report before inauguration. That's concrete. The fake news meme is real. The process of persuading USAians that the election was interfered with and that Trump's accession is invalid is real.

What we have is a load of indicators all pointing the same way. You might pick on any one, or even several of them, and discount them. Take the picture as a whole and then matters are different.

Let me read a few papers with some more coffee. I think with the exception of some blowhards and snowflakes that were pro-Clinton most of the nation is coming around to at least accepting a Trump presidency and to me it seems support and enthusiasm is growing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 11, 2016, 06:56:07 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 11, 2016, 05:25:14 AM

Soft coup under way.

This crap is about declaring the election void. I did not think this until the last day or so. I had thought it was about portraying Trump as being not in control of his election and transfer to presidency.

However, if we go down the road of creating an accepted truth that Russia interfered with the election then the clear outcome is that the election was invalid and that means Trump would not become president. In such a case, it seems tome that the narrative that would be presented is that the election was 'stolen' from Clinton and that she should therefore replace Trump.

If that scenario plays out then the United States will have become a fundamentally different society to that which we have thought it to be hitherto. You lot will not need elections any longer and, of course, if elections can be interfered with by those nasty evil Russians then the sensible counter measure is to do away with a general election for president and then, subsequently, for any elected political posts.

Following this logic Hillary could not replace Trump either. Per wikileaks and Debbie Wasserman Shultz resigning her campaign clearly conspired to deny Bernie Sanders the nomination. And then there is the fact that Donna Brazille of Clinton News Network leaked a question for a Presidential debate to Hillary.

No, this is nothing more than the Democraps last annoying bit of interference in the peoples will, led by none other than "hands up don't shoot" Dictator Hussein O. who divided this nation but failed to totally hand it over to the likes of Soros. I suspect the CIA is eager to be rid of the jerk off and be able to work w/ the Trump administration.

It is sour grapes and it is their way of working against Trump before he is even innaugerated.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on December 11, 2016, 07:09:59 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 11, 2016, 06:36:24 AM

Obama has commissioned an investigation that must report before inauguration. That's concrete. The fake news meme is real. The process of persuading USAians that the election was interfered with and that Trump's accession is invalid is real.

What we have is a load of indicators all pointing the same way. You might pick on any one, or even several of them, and discount them. Take the picture as a whole and then matters are different.

Sorry, I should have made myself clearer. Soft coup? Yes, it could very well be a desperate attempt by the Democrats to discredit the election. What I meant was that I doubted that releasing those emails would be enough of a reason to render the election invalid since they were not found to be fake, no matter who was behind it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 11, 2016, 08:40:43 AM

This is not about the 'peepul'. You guys are in disgrace for not having done that which you were supposed to do. In strategic terms it isn't about the Democrats - at least not the rank and file members.

However you are being programed. Look at the news and social media. Look at the talking points and trends. There is a clear narrative being created.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 11, 2016, 10:15:30 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 11, 2016, 08:40:43 AM

This is not about the 'peepul'. You guys are in disgrace for not having done that which you were supposed to do. In strategic terms it isn't about the Democrats - at least not the rank and file members.

However you are being programed. Look at the news and social media. Look at the talking points and trends. There is a clear narrative being created.

The sheeple are always being led by their masters. Trump voters? Not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 11, 2016, 11:29:57 AM

DJT picks the head of the DEA Drug Enforcement Agency

The funny part starts at 1:30 into it

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 11, 2016, 11:39:36 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 11, 2016, 10:15:30 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 11, 2016, 08:40:43 AM
This is not about the 'peepul'. You guys are in disgrace for not having done that which you were supposed to do. In strategic terms it isn't about the Democrats - at least not the rank and file members.

However you are being programed. Look at the news and social media. Look at the talking points and trends. There is a clear narrative being created.

The sheeple are always being led by their masters. Trump voters? Not.

So true. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 11, 2016, 12:10:33 PM

Attempted Hack of US Voter Database Traced to IP Address Used by US Government

http://russia-insider.com/en/attempted-hack-us-voter-database-came-ip-address-used-us-government/ri18134

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 11, 2016, 02:33:49 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 11, 2016, 12:10:33 PM

Attempted Hack of US Voter Database Traced to IP Address Used by US Government

http://russia-insider.com/en/attempted-hack-us-voter-database-came-ip-address-used-us-government/ri18134

Precisely why Hussein O. is deflecting in an effort to distract the sheep. Julian Assange stated the leak was an "insider". I already posted about this before. The insider ended up dead: shot in the back. Like many others who crossed the Clinton's.

When are the American people going to wake up and smell the coffee about the Democratic party? Sadly for many never, however those with a brain voted for Trump and will do so again in 2020.

https://heatst.com/politics/death-of-dnc-staffer-shawn-lucas-adds-to-seth-rich-conspiracy-theories/

http://www.newsweek.com/gop-lobbyist-reward-seth-rich-dnc-499653

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 11, 2016, 08:07:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 11, 2016, 02:33:49 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 11, 2016, 12:10:33 PM
Attempted Hack of US Voter Database Traced to IP Address Used by US Government

http://russia-insider.com/en/attempted-hack-us-voter-database-came-ip-address-used-us-government/ri18134

Julian Assange stated the leak was an "insider". I already posted about this before. The insider ended up dead: shot in the back. Like many others who crossed the Clinton's.

http://www.newsweek.com/gop-lobbyist-reward-seth-rich-dnc-499653

The insiders are so desperate to keep Trump out. They are in full panic mode.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 11, 2016, 09:17:55 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 11, 2016, 08:07:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 11, 2016, 02:33:49 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 11, 2016, 12:10:33 PM
Attempted Hack of US Voter Database Traced to IP Address Used by US Government

http://russia-insider.com/en/attempted-hack-us-voter-database-came-ip-address-used-us-government/ri18134

Julian Assange stated the leak was an "insider". I already posted about this before. The insider ended up dead: shot in the back. Like many others who crossed the Clinton's.

http://www.newsweek.com/gop-lobbyist-reward-seth-rich-dnc-499653

The insiders are so desperate to keep Trump out. They are in full panic mode.

There is absolutely no way they can keep Trump out, however they are trying to make him look bad. Keep in mind those doing this are criminals -- overthrowing the sovereign government of Libya a war crime. Same goes for what they've been trying to do with Syria. And just look at all the skeletons in the Clinton's closet. Going back to Mena, Arkansas which was a CIA funded drug running scheme to fund the Contra's. Which Bush Sr. was deeply involved in. And then there is the matter of how involved Bush Sr. was in the assassination of JFK. A lot of redacted material regarding that is supposed to be released in 2017. And you have Obama's involvement with the overthrow of Gaddafi, the money taking from Saudi Arabia to fund Al Queda which became ISIS to build a pipeline (why build a legit pipeline like Keystone when you're evil and you can commit genocide in the ME?), etc. etc.

You are talking about some major skeletons in the closets of a few soon to be no longer in power people, as well as formerly powerful people like the Clintons's and Bush's, who think by attempting to make Trump look bad they can take the focus off of their own serious crimes. That is what it is all about. Deflection.

Title: Re: President Trump already acting like the Commander in Chief
Post by: Contrarian on December 11, 2016, 09:19:57 PM

According to Chris Wallace of Fox News Trump is already acting like the CIC while the DICk fades fast. (divider in chief)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/12/09/chris_wallace_trump_is_kind_of_the_commander-in-chief_already.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on December 12, 2016, 05:50:15 AM

Work to do for Prez. Trump:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-11/poultry-workers-in-diapers-as-bathroom-breaks-denied-oxfam-says

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2016, 08:01:30 AM

Quote from: Markje on December 12, 2016, 05:50:15 AM

Work to do for Prez. Trump:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-11/poultry-workers-in-diapers-as-bathroom-breaks-denied-oxfam-says

Pretty disgusting and I suspect it may be true with some company's. It also depends (no pun intended :laugh:) on the supervisor of a shift. I've had some who should have been concentration camp guards and others real nice.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2016, 08:17:14 AM

I was just watching CIA cuck Matt Lauer attempting to criticize Kellyanne Conway on the Today show and she ate him alive. The more the fake media aka "mainstream media" attempt to fock with Trump the more he grows in power and stature with the American people who voted for him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/51otmm/matt_lauer_was_begging_for_a_pegging_tonight/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2016, 08:20:15 AM

For that moron in the north Cornhollio: Trump announced a 50 BILLION investment in the USA by Sprint which will give us 50K more jobs in the USA. The CEO of Sprint made it clear he only made this investment because Trump won.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/boom-trump-announces-sprint-agreement-invest-50-billion-us-create-50000-jobs-video/

Trump is not even President yet but he's created or saved more high paying US jobs than Obama ever did. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 12, 2016, 08:56:08 AM

Quote from: Markje on December 12, 2016, 05:50:15 AM

Work to do for Prez. Trump:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-11/poultry-workers-in-diapers-as-bathroom-breaks-denied-oxfam-says

Hmm. And where has Pres. Obama been on this for 8 years?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 12, 2016, 09:19:46 AM

Quote from: B.B. on December 12, 2016, 08:56:08 AM

Quote from: Markje on December 12, 2016, 05:50:15 AM
Work to do for Prez. Trump:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-11/poultry-workers-in-diapers-as-bathroom-breaks-denied-oxfam-says

Hmm. And where has Pres. Obama been on this for 8 years?

I know the Clintons were in tight with Tyson Chicken from Arkansas. They have their political connections that probably protected them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on December 12, 2016, 09:33:11 AM

Quote from: B.B. on December 12, 2016, 08:56:08 AM

Quote from: Markje on December 12, 2016, 05:50:15 AM
Work to do for Prez. Trump:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-11/poultry-workers-in-diapers-as-bathroom-breaks-denied-oxfam-says

Hmm. And where has Pres. Obama been on this for 8 years?

In Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, spending tax :money:.. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2016, 11:39:18 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on December 12, 2016, 09:33:11 AM

Quote from: B.B. on December 12, 2016, 08:56:08 AM
Quote from: Markje on December 12, 2016, 05:50:15 AM
Work to do for Prez. Trump:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-11/poultry-workers-in-diapers-as-bathroom-breaks-denied-oxfam-says

Hmm. And where has Pres. Obama been on this for 8 years?

In Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, spending tax :money:.. :ROFL:

Exactly. and why now he's doing his "blame Russia that us Democraps lost" charade. Pathetic loser can't GET OUT of the White House soon enough.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2016, 11:41:32 AM

Quote from: Maxx on December 12, 2016, 09:19:46 AM

Quote from: B.B. on December 12, 2016, 08:56:08 AM
Quote from: Markje on December 12, 2016, 05:50:15 AM
Work to do for Prez. Trump:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-11/poultry-workers-in-diapers-as-bathroom-breaks-denied-oxfam-says

Hmm. And where has Pres. Obama been on this for 8 years?

I know the Clintons were in tight with Tyson Chicken from Arkansas. They have their political connections that probably protected them.

This. Human rights, workers rights; always a charade of the Democraps. Just look at their real history going back to the Civil War and then the Jim Crow laws, then LBJ and the ghetto's he created; all pandering w/out any concrete results.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2016, 11:54:22 AM

(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15420803_1520553957974731_3730247441532678556_n.jpg?oh=b6bb891350d9a200c1ced8e904e40e52&oe=58E998C4)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2016, 12:06:33 PM

If Trump picks this guy it's a very nice Eff you to neo CON's like McCain. I am loving it!!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/donald-trump-rex-tillerson-secretary-of-state/

ignore the usual slanted propaganda of CNN...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 12, 2016, 12:13:27 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 12, 2016, 11:41:32 AM

Quote from: Maxx on December 12, 2016, 09:19:46 AM
Quote from: B.B. on December 12, 2016, 08:56:08 AM
Quote from: Markje on December 12, 2016, 05:50:15 AM
Work to do for Prez. Trump:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-11/poultry-workers-in-diapers-as-bathroom-breaks-denied-oxfam-says

Hmm. And where has Pres. Obama been on this for 8 years?

I know the Clintons were in tight with Tyson Chicken from Arkansas. They have their political connections that probably protected them.

This. Human rights, workers rights; always a charade of the Democraps. Just look at their real history going back to the Civil War and then the Jim Crow laws, then LBJ and the ghetto's he created; all pandering w/out any concrete results.

In fairness to the Dems, they didn't expect to lose and they're super entitled. So really, it's no surprise that they're so freaked out.

Really, the Dems haven't been this upset since the GOP freed their slaves.... :chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2016, 12:59:23 PM

^True dat! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11530/3-times-democrats-were-fine-russians-intervening-ben-shapiro

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 12, 2016, 06:04:38 PM

Well time. For the electoral college to do their part so Trump can continue making America great again!
Trump victories certified in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/12/trumps-victory-in-wisconsin-affirmed-following-recount.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2016, 06:42:20 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzgMIZTUkAAW65E.jpg)

https://twitter.com/Cernovich

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 12, 2016, 07:08:16 PM

What about this?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-timeline-of-cia-atrocities/5348804

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 13, 2016, 08:06:55 AM

(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15492470_1060642160710920_4116020419273403803_n.jpg?oh=fba11660fdafa8d2e279a47c2d4df855&oe=58E8E88F)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 13, 2016, 11:28:28 AM

Can you believe it? The Russians just hacked the Huffington Post! LMFAO!! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Czk2_qnUkAAyjPy.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 14, 2016, 01:49:47 PM

Trump in many ways seems to have already put Obama on the sideline. I can't recall when an incoming president has made an impact the way Trump has. Maybe I'm a bit optimistic in what Trump will accomplish, but he looks to be on track to keeping many of his campaign promises.

Execs Representing a Whopping $3 Trillion Just Walked into Trump Tower

http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/execs-representing-whopping-3-trillion-just-walked-trump-tower-n696001

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 14, 2016, 02:23:28 PM

The Democrats need to see the bigger picture, and stop trying to blame Russia, Hillary set herself up for defeat

Hillary Ran The Most Incompetent Campaign Ever

https://thefederalist.com/2016/12/14/hillary-clinton-ran-incompetent-campaign-modern-history/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 15, 2016, 12:15:38 PM

Judge Napolitano: U.S. Intelligence Behind Leaking Clinton Emails To Wikileaks, Not Russian Hackers

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/12/15/judge_napolitano_us_intelligence_behind_leaking_clinton_emails_to_wikileaks_not_russian_hackers.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 15, 2016, 02:44:07 PM

WikiLeaks ‘Operative’ Craig Murray Says Clinton Emails Came From Democratic Source, Not Russians

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2198943-wikileaks-operative-craig-murray-says-clinton-emails-came-from-democratic-source-not-russians/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 15, 2016, 05:30:40 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 15, 2016, 02:44:07 PM

WikiLeaks ‘Operative’ Craig Murray Says Clinton Emails Came From Democratic Source, Not Russians

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2198943-wikileaks-operative-craig-murray-says-clinton-emails-came-from-democratic-source-not-russians/

I've already stated my belief: it was Seth Rich who was a Bernie Sanders supporter. RIP.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 16, 2016, 12:56:12 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 15, 2016, 05:30:40 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 15, 2016, 02:44:07 PM
WikiLeaks ‘Operative’ Craig Murray Says Clinton Emails Came From Democratic Source, Not Russians

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2198943-wikileaks-operative-craig-murray-says-clinton-emails-came-from-democratic-source-not-russians/

I've already stated my belief: it was Seth Rich who was a Bernie Sanders supporter. RIP.

Others have also noted a trail of bodies that seem to follow the Clinton's back to Whitewater.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 16, 2016, 07:58:09 AM

I understand the inaugural ball is going to be named by the Trump organizers as the "deploraball." :chuckle: Nothing like rubbing in Clinton's poor choice of words.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 16, 2016, 12:42:14 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 16, 2016, 12:56:12 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 15, 2016, 05:30:40 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 15, 2016, 02:44:07 PM
WikiLeaks ‘Operative’ Craig Murray Says Clinton Emails Came From Democratic Source, Not Russians

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2198943-wikileaks-operative-craig-murray-says-clinton-emails-came-from-democratic-source-not-russians/

I've already stated my belief: it was Seth Rich who was a Bernie Sanders supporter. RIP.

Others have also noted a trail of bodies that seem to follow the Clinton's back to Whitewater.

This guy is apparently in secret custody of the FBI as he is a potential whistle blower in regards to illegal conduct of the Clinton Foundation. I don't care if Trump himself does not go after Hillary however I keep hoping Trey Gowdy and others will aggressively seek charges against her. Otherwise she will keep popping up and spreading her poison.

http://pmnightlynews.com/index.php/2016/11/04/new-sources-eric-braverman/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 16, 2016, 09:26:17 PM

Newt Gingrich: The incredible reason why Trump could succeed in turning Washington upside down

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/12/16/newt-gingrich-incredible-reason-why-trump-could-succeed-in-turning-washington-upside-down.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 18, 2016, 09:11:30 PM

Trump almost certain to win Electoral College vote, but nothing's sure in 2016 elections

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/18/trump-almost-certain-to-win-electoral-college-vote-but-nothings-sure-in-2016-elections.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 19, 2016, 01:08:28 PM

Electoral College Vote Results: State-by-State List

http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/electoral-college-vote-results-state-by-state-list-so-far-for-trump-clinton-faithless-electors-count-map/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 19, 2016, 01:50:31 PM

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2itqz48.png)

Hillary has still got a shot..... :ROFL:

From below there doesn't seem much to worry about with an electoral switch from Trump to Clinton

Alabama – All 9 electors have voted for Trump.

Arizona – All 11 electors voted for Trump.

Arkansas – All 6 electors voted for Trump.

Florida – All 29 electors voted for Trump.

Georgia – All 16 electors voted for Trump.

Idaho – All 4 electors voted for Trump.

Indiana – All 11 electors voted for Trump.

Kansas – All six electors voted for Trump, per 270toWin.

Kentucky – All 8 electors voted for Trump.

Louisiana – All 8 electors voted for Trump.

Michigan – All 16 electors voted for Trump.

Mississippi – All 6 electors voted for Trump.

North Carolina – All 15 electors voted for Trump.

North Dakota – All 3 electors voted for Trump.

Ohio – All 18 electors voted for Trump.

Oklahoma – All 7 electors voted for Trump.

Pennsylvania – All 20 votes for Trump (verified by CBS).

South Carolina – All 9 electors voted for Trump.

South Dakota – All 3 electors voted for Trump.

Tennessee – All 11 electors voted for Trump.

Utah – All 6 electors voted for Trump, per 270toWin.

West Virginia – All 5 electors voted for Trump.

Wisconsin – All 10 electors voted for Donald Trump.

Wyoming – All 3 electors voted for Trump, per 270toWin.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 19, 2016, 01:51:27 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 19, 2016, 01:08:28 PM

Electoral College Vote Results: State-by-State List

http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/electoral-college-vote-results-state-by-state-list-so-far-for-trump-clinton-faithless-electors-count-map/

So far the faithless electors have been Hillary electors, not

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 19, 2016, 01:59:44 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 19, 2016, 01:51:27 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 19, 2016, 01:08:28 PM
Electoral College Vote Results: State-by-State List

http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/electoral-college-vote-results-state-by-state-list-so-far-for-trump-clinton-faithless-electors-count-map/

So far the faithless electors have been Hillary electors, not

Those Hamilton folks must be having a bad day.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 19, 2016, 02:49:03 PM

Getting close to 270

(http://i65.tinypic.com/14vgw80.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 19, 2016, 05:09:17 PM

Trump got the electoral votes needed to win

(http://i68.tinypic.com/skxg7b.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 19, 2016, 05:15:35 PM

Good to see. Glad that my concerns came to nothing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 19, 2016, 09:27:51 PM

Trump thank you for Victory speech in Mobile, Alabama on December 17th, 2016. This is where it all started so it is fitting that he would end his thank you for victory tour there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on December 20, 2016, 09:24:12 AM

Quote from: Maxx on December 19, 2016, 05:09:17 PM

Trump got the electoral votes needed to win

(http://i68.tinypic.com/skxg7b.png)

Will this be classed as a "hog slaughter/landslide"?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 20, 2016, 10:30:24 AM

I read something from Yahoo news. Tom Arnold formally from the Apprentice said there was a video from out takes of the show showing Trump joking around using the 'N' word and 'C' word. Why Arnold didn't release it before the election was because nobody thought Trump would win. Anyway the story seems to be off the news so who knows what happened.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 20, 2016, 10:56:51 AM

Quote from: Maxx on December 20, 2016, 10:30:24 AM

I read something from Yahoo news. Tom Arnold formally from the Apprentice said there was a video from out takes of the show showing Trump joking around using the 'N' word and 'C' word. Why Arnold didn't release it before the election was because nobody thought Trump would win. Anyway the story seems to be off the news so who knows what happened.

Fits in totally with Trumptons racist and sexist POV...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 20, 2016, 11:15:18 AM

Quote from: Ste on December 20, 2016, 10:56:51 AM

Quote from: Maxx on December 20, 2016, 10:30:24 AM

I read something from Yahoo news. Tom Arnold formally from the Apprentice said there was a video from out takes of the show showing Trump joking around using the 'N' word and 'C' word. Why Arnold didn't release it before the election was because nobody thought Trump would win. Anyway the story seems to be off the news so who knows what happened.

Fits in totally with Trumptons racist and sexist POV...

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0As5FfUcAAF-2c.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 20, 2016, 11:45:38 AM

He's a sexist in someways but does hire women to do some important jobs on his buildings. I don't believe he is a racist though. He's done plenty to lift up various minorities that have come into his life. He just has a big mouth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 20, 2016, 12:16:33 PM

I found the story using my Apple online history

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/tom-arnold-racist-trump-outtakes-apprentice-104532880.html

Tom Arnold claims he has unreleased outtakes of Donald Trump using racially inflammatory language including "every offensive, racist thing ever" recorded when the president-elect was the star of The Apprentice.

The actor-comedian made the revelation on Dori Monson's KIRO Radio show, and further claimed the tapes had Trump using all manner of foul language as well as calling his son a "retard."

"I have the outtakes to The Apprentice where he says every bad thing ever, every offensive, racist thing ever," said Arnold.

He added: " It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children."

Asked by the host as to why he was given the tapes in the first place and why he didn't release them before the election, Arnold said that the people who sent the clips to him worked on The Apprentice and put together a compilation of Trump saying controversial things as a "funny" "Christmas video" as they didn't expect the real estate mogul to win the election. "[When] the people sent it to me, it was funny. Hundreds of people have seen these. It was sort of a Christmas video they put together. He wasn't going to be President of the United States."

When it became clear that Trump had a realistic chance of taking the White House, Arnold claims Hillary Clinton as well as new Apprentice star Arnold Schwarzenegger's agent got involved and wanted the tapes released. "The Sunday before the election, I get a call from [Schwarzenegger] CAA agent, sitting next to [Clinton]. They said, 'I need you to release him saying the N-word.' I said, 'Well, now these people - two editors and an associate producer - are scared to death. They're scared of his people, they're scared of they'll never work again, there's a $5 million confidentiality agreement.'"

In October, weeks before polling day Trump's campaign almost derailed after for the now-infamous Access Hollywood outtake of the GOP candidate and host Billy Bush engaging in "locker-room talk." Although the long-rumored Apprentice tapes never surfaced before Nov. 8, Arnold, who has known Trump for decades, said later in the interview that he doubts they would have made much difference. "I think if the people that like him saw him saying the N-word, he's sitting matter-of-factly in front of there has to be 30 people there, and he's matter-of-factly saying all of this stuff. So I think they would have liked him more, the people. For being politically incorrect."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 20, 2016, 12:19:16 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 20, 2016, 12:16:33 PM

I found the story using my Apple online history

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/tom-arnold-racist-trump-outtakes-apprentice-104532880.html

Tom Arnold claims he has unreleased outtakes of Donald Trump using racially inflammatory language including "every offensive, racist thing ever" recorded when the president-elect was the star of The Apprentice.

The actor-comedian made the revelation on Dori Monson's KIRO Radio show, and further claimed the tapes had Trump using all manner of foul language as well as calling his son a "retard."

"I have the outtakes to The Apprentice where he says every bad thing ever, every offensive, racist thing ever," said Arnold.

He added: " It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children."

Asked by the host as to why he was given the tapes in the first place and why he didn't release them before the election, Arnold said that the people who sent the clips to him worked on The Apprentice and put together a compilation of Trump saying controversial things as a "funny" "Christmas video" as they didn't expect the real estate mogul to win the election. "[When] the people sent it to me, it was funny. Hundreds of people have seen these. It was sort of a Christmas video they put together. He wasn't going to be President of the United States."

When it became clear that Trump had a realistic chance of taking the White House, Arnold claims Hillary Clinton as well as new Apprentice star Arnold Schwarzenegger's agent got involved and wanted the tapes released. "The Sunday before the election, I get a call from [Schwarzenegger] CAA agent, sitting next to [Clinton]. They said, 'I need you to release him saying the N-word.' I said, 'Well, now these people - two editors and an associate producer - are scared to death. They're scared of his people, they're scared of they'll never work again, there's a $5 million confidentiality agreement.'"

In October, weeks before polling day Trump's campaign almost derailed after for the now-infamous Access Hollywood outtake of the GOP candidate and host Billy Bush engaging in "locker-room talk." Although the long-rumored Apprentice tapes never surfaced before Nov. 8, Arnold, who has known Trump for decades, said later in the interview that he doubts they would have made much difference. "I think if the people that like him saw him saying the N-word, he's sitting matter-of-factly in front of there has to be 30 people there, and he's matter-of-factly saying all of this stuff. So I think they would have liked him more, the people. For being politically incorrect."

He should be in jail...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 20, 2016, 12:26:54 PM

If it is true and the tape gets released I can't imagine the $hitstorm this will create with the Blacks and SJWs.

According to former Clinton insider Larry Nichols, Hillary was known for using the 'N' word.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 20, 2016, 12:47:36 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 20, 2016, 12:26:54 PM

If it is true and the tape gets released I can't imagine the $hitstorm this will create with the Blacks and SJWs.

According to former Clinton insider Larry Nichols, Hillary was known for using the 'N' word.

This is nothing but sour grapes and hypocrisy on the part of Ste and every other "liberal".

Hillary not only frequently used the N word, she stated that blacks were "super predators who needed to be brought to heel" and Bill Clinton's crime bill is what created a possibly unfair situation where black drug users went to prison instead of being able to get treatment.

Hillary is also known to have said that it was a "bimbo explosion" when more than a dozen women came forward stating that Bill Clinton sexually harassed, molested or raped them.

Hey Ste and other libtards, the election is over, Trump won fair and square so move on with your life.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 20, 2016, 12:58:04 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 20, 2016, 12:19:16 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 20, 2016, 12:16:33 PM
I found the story using my Apple online history

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/tom-arnold-racist-trump-outtakes-apprentice-104532880.html

Tom Arnold claims he has unreleased outtakes of Donald Trump using racially inflammatory language including "every offensive, racist thing ever" recorded when the president-elect was the star of The Apprentice.

The actor-comedian made the revelation on Dori Monson's KIRO Radio show, and further claimed the tapes had Trump using all manner of foul language as well as calling his son a "retard."

"I have the outtakes to The Apprentice where he says every bad thing ever, every offensive, racist thing ever," said Arnold.

He added: " It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children."

Asked by the host as to why he was given the tapes in the first place and why he didn't release them before the election, Arnold said that the people who sent the clips to him worked on The Apprentice and put together a compilation of Trump saying controversial things as a "funny" "Christmas video" as they didn't expect the real estate mogul to win the election. "[When] the people sent it to me, it was funny. Hundreds of people have seen these. It was sort of a Christmas video they put together. He wasn't going to be President of the United States."

When it became clear that Trump had a realistic chance of taking the White House, Arnold claims Hillary Clinton as well as new Apprentice star Arnold Schwarzenegger's agent got involved and wanted the tapes released. "The Sunday before the election, I get a call from [Schwarzenegger] CAA agent, sitting next to [Clinton]. They said, 'I need you to release him saying the N-word.' I said, 'Well, now these people - two editors and an associate producer - are scared to death. They're scared of his people, they're scared of they'll never work again, there's a $5 million confidentiality agreement.'"

In October, weeks before polling day Trump's campaign almost derailed after for the now-infamous Access Hollywood outtake of the GOP candidate and host Billy Bush engaging in "locker-room talk." Although the long-rumored Apprentice tapes never surfaced before Nov. 8, Arnold, who has known Trump for decades, said later in the interview that he doubts they would have made much difference. "I think if the people that like him saw him saying the N-word, he's sitting matter-of-factly in front of there has to be 30 people there, and he's matter-of-factly saying all of this stuff. So I think they would have liked him more, the people. For being politically incorrect."

He should be in jail...

Sure Ste. Do as I say, not as I do. Typical Commie left-wing hack response. For example Trump never violated national security, a felony. Trump never sold power and influence. But Hillary did both of those. As well she destroyed Secret and higher classified material. after getting a subpoena from the FBI.

anyone with a modicum of common sense and familiarity of what constitutes breach of national security and treason would know it is Hillary Clinton who should be in prison, and throw away the key.

But Ste and every other butthurt "liberal" thinks Trump should be in jail for salty language. Yeah makes sense to me.

Why stop there Ste? the gulag and forced labor would be better. or maybe just execute him with a bullet in the back of the head.

This is your commie "paradise" right Ste? and here is one of your commie "hero's" He executed about 8 to 10 Million people. Why stop at jail?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 20, 2016, 01:11:38 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 20, 2016, 12:58:04 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 20, 2016, 12:19:16 PM
Quote from: Maxx on December 20, 2016, 12:16:33 PM
I found the story using my Apple online history

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/tom-arnold-racist-trump-outtakes-apprentice-104532880.html

Tom Arnold claims he has unreleased outtakes of Donald Trump using racially inflammatory language including "every offensive, racist thing ever" recorded when the president-elect was the star of The Apprentice.

The actor-comedian made the revelation on Dori Monson's KIRO Radio show, and further claimed the tapes had Trump using all manner of foul language as well as calling his son a "retard."

"I have the outtakes to The Apprentice where he says every bad thing ever, every offensive, racist thing ever," said Arnold.

He added: " It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children."

Asked by the host as to why he was given the tapes in the first place and why he didn't release them before the election, Arnold said that the people who sent the clips to him worked on The Apprentice and put together a compilation of Trump saying controversial things as a "funny" "Christmas video" as they didn't expect the real estate mogul to win the election. "[When] the people sent it to me, it was funny. Hundreds of people have seen these. It was sort of a Christmas video they put together. He wasn't going to be President of the United States."

When it became clear that Trump had a realistic chance of taking the White House, Arnold claims Hillary Clinton as well as new Apprentice star Arnold Schwarzenegger's agent got involved and wanted the tapes released. "The Sunday before the election, I get a call from [Schwarzenegger] CAA agent, sitting next to [Clinton]. They said, 'I need you to release him saying the N-word.' I said, 'Well, now these people - two editors and an associate producer - are scared to death. They're scared of his people, they're scared of they'll never work again, there's a $5 million confidentiality agreement.'"

In October, weeks before polling day Trump's campaign almost derailed after for the now-infamous Access Hollywood outtake of the GOP candidate and host Billy Bush engaging in "locker-room talk." Although the long-rumored Apprentice tapes never surfaced before Nov. 8, Arnold, who has known Trump for decades, said later in the interview that he doubts they would have made much difference. "I think if the people that like him saw him saying the N-word, he's sitting matter-of-factly in front of there has to be 30 people there, and he's matter-of-factly saying all of this stuff. So I think they would have liked him more, the people. For being politically incorrect."

He should be in jail...

Sure Ste. Do as I say, not as I do. Typical Commie left-wing hack response. For example Trump never violated national security, a felony. Trump never sold power and influence. But Hillary did both of those. As well she destroyed Secret and higher classified material. after getting a subpoena from the FBI.

anyone with a modicum of common sense and familiarity of what constitutes breach of national security and treason would know it is Hillary Clinton who should be in prison, and throw away the key.

But Ste and every other butthurt "liberal" thinks Trump should be in jail for salty language. Yeah makes sense to me.

Why stop there Ste? the gulag and forced labor would be better. or maybe just execute him with a bullet in the back of the head.

This is your commie "paradise" right Ste? and here is one of your commie "hero's" He executed about 8 to 10 Million people. Why stop at jail?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda

Are you sleeping with him?

Seem to worship him so much perhaps you may be homosexual.

Maybe get some treatment but that may well be too expensive in the land of the free?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 21, 2016, 02:22:06 PM

Typical liberal mainstream media BS.
Trump has not yet taken office, and he has already made an impact.
It's the liberals that are causing the country to stay divided, give Trump a chance to get settled in and watch how this country will come together.

WASHINGTON

Poll: Trump has not yet made progress in uniting USA

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/21/poll-donald-trump-progress-uniting-usa/95667510/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 02:25:00 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 20, 2016, 01:11:38 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 20, 2016, 12:58:04 PM
Quote from: Ste on December 20, 2016, 12:19:16 PM
Quote from: Maxx on December 20, 2016, 12:16:33 PM
I found the story using my Apple online history

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/tom-arnold-racist-trump-outtakes-apprentice-104532880.html

Tom Arnold claims he has unreleased outtakes of Donald Trump using racially inflammatory language including "every offensive, racist thing ever" recorded when the president-elect was the star of The Apprentice.

The actor-comedian made the revelation on Dori Monson's KIRO Radio show, and further claimed the tapes had Trump using all manner of foul language as well as calling his son a "retard."

"I have the outtakes to The Apprentice where he says every bad thing ever, every offensive, racist thing ever," said Arnold.

He added: " It was him sitting in that chair saying the N-word, saying the C-word, calling his son a retard, just being so mean to his own children."

Asked by the host as to why he was given the tapes in the first place and why he didn't release them before the election, Arnold said that the people who sent the clips to him worked on The Apprentice and put together a compilation of Trump saying controversial things as a "funny" "Christmas video" as they didn't expect the real estate mogul to win the election. "[When] the people sent it to me, it was funny. Hundreds of people have seen these. It was sort of a Christmas video they put together. He wasn't going to be President of the United States."

When it became clear that Trump had a realistic chance of taking the White House, Arnold claims Hillary Clinton as well as new Apprentice star Arnold Schwarzenegger's agent got involved and wanted the tapes released. "The Sunday before the election, I get a call from [Schwarzenegger] CAA agent, sitting next to [Clinton]. They said, 'I need you to release him saying the N-word.' I said, 'Well, now these people - two editors and an associate producer - are scared to death. They're scared of his people, they're scared of they'll never work again, there's a $5 million confidentiality agreement.'"

In October, weeks before polling day Trump's campaign almost derailed after for the now-infamous Access Hollywood outtake of the GOP candidate and host Billy Bush engaging in "locker-room talk." Although the long-rumored Apprentice tapes never surfaced before Nov. 8, Arnold, who has known Trump for decades, said later in the interview that he doubts they would have made much difference. "I think if the people that like him saw him saying the N-word, he's sitting matter-of-factly in front of there has to be 30 people there, and he's matter-of-factly saying all of this stuff. So I think they would have liked him more, the people. For being politically incorrect."

He should be in jail...

Sure Ste. Do as I say, not as I do. Typical Commie left-wing hack response. For example Trump never violated national security, a felony. Trump never sold power and influence. But Hillary did both of those. As well she destroyed Secret and higher classified material. after getting a subpoena from the FBI.

anyone with a modicum of common sense and familiarity of what constitutes breach of national security and treason would know it is Hillary Clinton who should be in prison, and throw away the key.

But Ste and every other butthurt "liberal" thinks Trump should be in jail for salty language. Yeah makes sense to me.

Why stop there Ste? the gulag and forced labor would be better. or maybe just execute him with a bullet in the back of the head.

This is your commie "paradise" right Ste? and here is one of your commie "hero's" He executed about 8 to 10 Million people. Why stop at jail?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda

Are you sleeping with him?

Seem to worship him so much perhaps you may be homosexual.

Maybe get some treatment but that may well be too expensive in the land of the free?

Jeepers Ste! I didn't know you were homophobic! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2016, 02:43:36 PM

Liz Wheeler on alleged Russian hacking.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 03:47:46 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4055182/Final-tally-shows-Trump-lost-popular-vote-2-8-million-BEAT-Clinton-3-million-votes-outside-California-New-York.html

Take New York and California out of the election and Trump would have won by 3 million of the popular vote. 4.3 million Trump voters in California were not given any electoral voters in a winner take all State.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 21, 2016, 04:07:50 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 21, 2016, 02:43:36 PM

Liz Wheeler

8.5/10, would definitely bang.

Quote from: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 03:47:46 PM

Take New York and California out of the election and Trump would have won by 3 million of the popular vote. 4.3 million Trump voters in California were not given any electoral voters in a winner take all State.

The funny thing is, people assume that the vote would magically remain the same and Trump would have run the same campaign if the president were directly elected; he wouldn't have. Trump's campaign people wisely didn't bother with California, etc., but instead focused on flipping Florida, NC, Iowa, PA, MI, Ohio and Wisconsin.

And he did.

A better way to look at it is Trump won 33 of 54 "popular votes" -- the congressional district situation in Nebraska (2) and Maine (1) add three to the 50 states + DC formula.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 06:32:18 PM

For Trump as far as California goes why waste your time and resources on a lost cause? For Hillary she shouldn't have taken Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin for granted. Two of those states she didn't even visit once. Her pride and hubris and the advice of her sycophant followers was why she lost.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2016, 06:43:42 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 06:32:18 PM

For Trump as far as California goes why waste your time and resources on a lost cause? For Hillary she shouldn't have taken Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin for granted. Two of those states she didn't even visit once. Her pride and hubris and the advice of her sycophant followers was why she lost.

No you're wrong. Get with the times, it was the Russians! :laugh:

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/154383373696/remind-me-why-russia-is-our-adversary

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2016, 07:07:29 PM

Why did Trump win? Angry white men? Woke white women? Woke Hispanics? Woke Blacks? Veterans? Police Officers? The country had enough of the divisive BS of the left, for one. And an urgent need for someone who could run the country like a business, and improve our economy. While not getting into WWIII with Russia.

https://twitter.com/LindaSuhler/status/811746921354170368

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 09:08:49 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 21, 2016, 07:07:29 PM

Why did Trump win? Angry white men? Woke white women? Woke Hispanics? Woke Blacks? Veterans? Police Officers? The country had enough of the divisive BS of the left, for one. And an urgent need for someone who could run the country like a business, and improve our economy. While not getting into WWIII with Russia.

https://twitter.com/LindaSuhler/status/811746921354170368

I think it is simpler than that.

The video was inspired by a comment Newt Gingrich made, comparing Trump to “the grizzly bear in The Revenant.”

Quote

Donald Trump is the grizzly bear in The Revenant. If you get his attention, he will get awake … he will walk over, bite your face off, and sit on you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2016, 10:02:20 PM

Hey Maxx, no matter what, America hit the Jackpot with Trump!

https://twitter.com/MSamenfink/status/811180379113738244

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2016, 10:14:58 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 21, 2016, 04:07:50 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 21, 2016, 02:43:36 PM
Liz Wheeler

8.5/10, would definitely bang.

Yeah okay but did you like her commentary? And how about this one? Do you like her commentary? Or is she just "bangable". Nice to know there are a few American women that rate. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 10:39:14 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 21, 2016, 10:14:58 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 21, 2016, 04:07:50 PM
Quote from: Confederate on December 21, 2016, 02:43:36 PM
Liz Wheeler

8.5/10, would definitely bang.

Yeah okay but did you like her commentary? And how about this one? Do you like her commentary? Or is she just "bangable". Nice to know there are a few American women that rate. :)

B.B. is OK. A bit of a outta style neo-con but OK.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2016, 11:05:06 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 10:39:14 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 21, 2016, 10:14:58 PM
Quote from: B.B. on December 21, 2016, 04:07:50 PM
Quote from: Confederate on December 21, 2016, 02:43:36 PM
Liz Wheeler

8.5/10, would definitely bang.

Yeah okay but did you like her commentary? And how about this one? Do you like her commentary? Or is she just "bangable". Nice to know there are a few American women that rate. :)

B.B. is OK. A bit of a outta style neo-con but OK.

He's better than OK, he's great. I like his commentary, especially in the muslims and stuff thread. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 22, 2016, 09:40:33 AM

:thumbsup:

Quote from: Confederate on December 21, 2016, 11:05:06 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
Quote from: Confederate on December 21, 2016, 10:14:58 PM
Quote from: B.B. on December 21, 2016, 04:07:50 PM
Quote from: Confederate on December 21, 2016, 02:43:36 PM
Liz Wheeler

8.5/10, would definitely bang.

Yeah okay but did you like her commentary? And how about this one? Do you like her commentary? Or is she just "bangable". Nice to know there are a few American women that rate. :)

B.B. is OK. A bit of a outta style neo-con but OK.

He's better than OK, he's great. I like his commentary, especially in the muslims and stuff thread. :popcorn:

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Boris on December 22, 2016, 09:55:18 AM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 22, 2016, 11:31:55 AM

Quote from: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 10:39:14 PM

B.B. is OK. A bit of a outta style neo-con but OK.

I was never a liberal, therefore I cannot be a "neo-con". If anything, I am far more of a paleocon (pro-limited government, civil society, Western values and identity, :censored: importing the 3rd world and their :censored: tard religion that they want to use drag us all back to the 6th century).

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 22, 2016, 11:49:24 AM

Quote from: B.B. on December 22, 2016, 11:31:55 AM

Quote from: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
B.B. is OK. A bit of a outta style neo-con but OK.

I was never a liberal, therefore I cannot be a "neo-con". If anything, I am far more of a paleocon (pro-limited government, civil society, Western values and identity, :censored: importing the 3rd world and their :censored: tard religion that they want to use drag us all back to the 6th century).

B/B

Ah, a Ron Paul Pro-Constitution limited government supporter. That's cool. I like those guys.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 22, 2016, 12:01:06 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 22, 2016, 11:49:24 AM

Quote from: B.B. on December 22, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
Quote from: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
B.B. is OK. A bit of a outta style neo-con but OK.

I was never a liberal, therefore I cannot be a "neo-con". If anything, I am far more of a paleocon (pro-limited government, civil society, Western values and identity, :censored: importing the 3rd world and their :censored: tard religion that they want to use drag us all back to the 6th century).

B/B

Ah, a Ron Paul Pro-Constitution limited government supporter. That's cool. I like those guys.

In that respect I share the B.B. point of view. I would note that the overwhelming majority of RUA that voted regarding the President for 2017 voted for Ron Paul's son.

I always wonder how anyone can think that one person even if he is POTUS can turn the mess around that we are currently in. I suspect some will be disappointed in a less than a year with the direction that Trump pursues.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2016, 12:04:34 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 22, 2016, 11:31:55 AM

Quote from: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
B.B. is OK. A bit of a outta style neo-con but OK.

I was never a liberal, therefore I cannot be a "neo-con". If anything, I am far more of a paleocon (pro-limited government, civil society, Western values and identity, :censored: importing the 3rd world and their :censored: tard religion that they want to use drag us all back to the 6th century).

B/B

To me a neo-con is a George Bush Jr. adherent and you wanted Bolton, thus the concern of myself and I suspect Maxx. From my point of view we got the best possible balance: Rex Tillerson who will use the Secretary of State position to push America first business deals (or in the case of Russia: win win deals) and Bolton who obviously has a lot of insider experience.

Speaking of "religion" (I don't consider islam to be a religion, it is a political cult IMO) help is on the way. This type of information can be used for maximum effect by a determined POTUS and administration.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/154810597041/can-the-government-deduce-your-religion-without

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 22, 2016, 12:09:51 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 12:04:34 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 22, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
Quote from: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
B.B. is OK. A bit of a outta style neo-con but OK.

I was never a liberal, therefore I cannot be a "neo-con". If anything, I am far more of a paleocon (pro-limited government, civil society, Western values and identity, :censored: importing the 3rd world and their :censored: tard religion that they want to use drag us all back to the 6th century).

B/B

To me a neo-con is a George Bush Jr. adherent and you wanted Bolton, thus the concern of myself and I suspect Maxx. From my point of view we got the best possible balance: Rex Tillerson who will use the Secretary of State position to push America first business deals (or in the case of Russia: win win deals) and Bolton who obviously has a lot of insider experience.

Speaking of "religion" (I don't consider islam to be a religion, it is a political cult IMO) help is on the way. This type of information can be used for maximum effect by a determined POTUS and administration.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/154810597041/can-the-government-deduce-your-religion-without

Go on then, explain; Creuzer's notions on 'Urreligion' are interesting and good starting point for discussion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2016, 12:14:48 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 22, 2016, 12:01:06 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 22, 2016, 11:49:24 AM
Quote from: B.B. on December 22, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
Quote from: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
B.B. is OK. A bit of a outta style neo-con but OK.

I was never a liberal, therefore I cannot be a "neo-con". If anything, I am far more of a paleocon (pro-limited government, civil society, Western values and identity, :censored: importing the 3rd world and their :censored: tard religion that they want to use drag us all back to the 6th century).

B/B

Ah, a Ron Paul Pro-Constitution limited government supporter. That's cool. I like those guys.

In that respect I share the B.B. point of view. I would note that the overwhelming majority of RUA that voted regarding the President for 2017 voted for Ron Paul's son.

I always wonder how anyone can think that one person even if he is POTUS can turn the mess around that we are currently in. I suspect some will be disappointed in a less than a year with the direction that Trump pursues.

Trump has done more prior to even becoming President than Hussein Obama achieved in almost 8 years.

1. He saved at minimum 800 Carrier jobs, 1,100 if you're an optimist like me.
2. He got a commitment from the CEO of Sprint Japan to invest 50 Billion in the USA.
3. He's already got a commitment from IBM to create thousands of jobs.
4. He negotiated with Boeing to lower the cost of producing Air Force One.
5. Fidel Castro dropped dead on Black Friday.
6. Russia has backed away from reviewing war plans and is reviewing ways to deal with the USA in a win win manner.
7. He is not backing away from a ban on immigration from muslim countries.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 22, 2016, 12:16:53 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 22, 2016, 12:01:06 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 22, 2016, 11:49:24 AM
Quote from: B.B. on December 22, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
Quote from: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
B.B. is OK. A bit of a outta style neo-con but OK.

I was never a liberal, therefore I cannot be a "neo-con". If anything, I am far more of a paleocon (pro-limited government, civil society, Western values and identity, :censored: importing the 3rd world and their :censored: tard religion that they want to use drag us all back to the 6th century).

B/B

Ah, a Ron Paul Pro-Constitution limited government supporter. That's cool. I like those guys.

In that respect I share the B.B. point of view. I would note that the overwhelming majority of RUA that voted regarding the President for 2017 voted for Ron Paul's son.

I always wonder how anyone can think that one person even if he is POTUS can turn the mess around that we are currently in. I suspect some will be disappointed in a less than a year with the direction that Trump pursues.

I liked Ron Paul with his small government, strong dollar and keeping our nose out of regime change. The ME would be a whole lot better off with the past strongmen in place. We needed them keeping the radicals down and a secular state going.

As far as economics go in this world Libertarianism is a lot like taking a knife to a gun fight. That is why I think Trump can do a better job than a Paul.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2016, 12:19:24 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 22, 2016, 12:09:51 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: B.B. on December 22, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
Quote from: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
B.B. is OK. A bit of a outta style neo-con but OK.

I was never a liberal, therefore I cannot be a "neo-con". If anything, I am far more of a paleocon (pro-limited government, civil society, Western values and identity, :censored: importing the 3rd world and their :censored: tard religion that they want to use drag us all back to the 6th century).

B/B

To me a neo-con is a George Bush Jr. adherent and you wanted Bolton, thus the concern of myself and I suspect Maxx. From my point of view we got the best possible balance: Rex Tillerson who will use the Secretary of State position to push America first business deals (or in the case of Russia: win win deals) and Bolton who obviously has a lot of insider experience.

Speaking of "religion" (I don't consider islam to be a religion, it is a political cult IMO) help is on the way. This type of information can be used for maximum effect by a determined POTUS and administration.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/154810597041/can-the-government-deduce-your-religion-without

Go on then, explain...

Just like the Nazi's under Hitler, but using different methods. Invade, take food and other monies, have 8 kids (Lebensraum) and murder all the previous occupants if they do not become good Nazi's as well. Forcibly convert the females through rape and coercion. The Nazi's had a name for that as well. They did it in Norway.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 22, 2016, 12:25:54 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 12:19:24 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 22, 2016, 12:09:51 PM
Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: B.B. on December 22, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
Quote from: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
B.B. is OK. A bit of a outta style neo-con but OK.

I was never a liberal, therefore I cannot be a "neo-con". If anything, I am far more of a paleocon (pro-limited government, civil society, Western values and identity, :censored: importing the 3rd world and their :censored: tard religion that they want to use drag us all back to the 6th century).

B/B

To me a neo-con is a George Bush Jr. adherent and you wanted Bolton, thus the concern of myself and I suspect Maxx. From my point of view we got the best possible balance: Rex Tillerson who will use the Secretary of State position to push America first business deals (or in the case of Russia: win win deals) and Bolton who obviously has a lot of insider experience.

Speaking of "religion" (I don't consider islam to be a religion, it is a political cult IMO) help is on the way. This type of information can be used for maximum effect by a determined POTUS and administration.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/154810597041/can-the-government-deduce-your-religion-without

Go on then, explain...

Just like the Nazi's under Hitler, but using different methods. Invade, take food and other monies, have 8 kids (Lebensraum) and murder all the previous occupants if they do not become good Nazi's as well. Forcibly convert the females through rape and coercion. The Nazi's had a name for that as well. They did it in Norway.

Are you are comparing/confusing a mono-aethiestic Abrahamic religion such as Christianity, Islam and Judaism with a political and social ideology? Are you saying the Nazi's were like Muslims and/or Jews, but not Christians?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2016, 12:46:54 PM

I'm not confusing anything; it's you and your bud Mohabism who are confused. I am saying that Islam is nothing but a political death cult, very similar to Naziism.

They are using different methods but the end result is the same. Just like the Nazi's wanted to conquer land and peoples the muslims want to do similar. Read the hadiths.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 22, 2016, 01:11:18 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 12:46:54 PM

I'm not confusing anything; it's you and your bud Mohabism who are confused. I am saying that Islam is nothing but a political death cult, very similar to Naziism.

They are using different methods but the end result is the same. Just like the Nazi's wanted to conquer land and peoples the muslims want to do similar. Read the hadiths.

It's when you "Trumpsters" start talking like this that many in the USA and the rest of the world gets nervous.

Can you tell me one religion, that in some shape or form doesn't proselytize their own faith? Our own Old Testament gets pretty violent when it comes to dealing with nonbelievers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2016, 01:12:23 PM

This is ironic and someone on twitter hit the nail on the head. A gay man on a flight with Ivanka who had her children with her began shouting at her and harassing her over her father, our President elect. This person really hit a home run:

https://twitter.com/jd2thet/status/812014154445946880

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0TZM3TVEAAto1t.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2016, 01:13:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 22, 2016, 01:11:18 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 12:46:54 PM
I'm not confusing anything; it's you and your bud Mohabism who are confused. I am saying that Islam is nothing but a political death cult, very similar to Naziism.

They are using different methods but the end result is the same. Just like the Nazi's wanted to conquer land and peoples the muslims want to do similar. Read the hadiths.

It's when you "Trumpsters" start talking like this that many in the USA and the rest of the world gets nervous.

No. I'm fairly certain that poster B/B and a few million other Americans agree with me. Muslims have no intention of becoming Americans and assimilating. They strive for one thing only and that is conquest of their host country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 22, 2016, 01:44:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 01:13:59 PM

No. I'm fairly certain that poster B/B and a few million other Americans agree with me. Muslims have no intention of becoming Americans and assimilating. They strive for one thing only and that is conquest of their host country.

That's a whole different "kettle of fish" verses your original statement which condemns the entire muslim faith.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on December 22, 2016, 02:03:55 PM

If you have Google Chrome, this Russian article on Trump will auto translate.

https://cont.ws/post/452971

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 22, 2016, 02:05:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 22, 2016, 01:11:18 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 12:46:54 PM
I'm not confusing anything; it's you and your bud Mohabism who are confused. I am saying that Islam is nothing but a political death cult, very similar to Naziism.

They are using different methods but the end result is the same. Just like the Nazi's wanted to conquer land and peoples the muslims want to do similar. Read the hadiths.

It's when you "Trumpsters" start talking like this that many in the USA and the rest of the world gets nervous.

Can you tell me one religion, that in some shape or form doesn't proselytize their own faith? Our own Old Testament gets pretty violent when it comes to dealing with nonbelievers.

Proselytizing by force should be the issue. Old Testament law such as stoning adulteresses is no longer being practiced by Jews and Christians but Sharia still is with Muslims. Christianity and Judaism has kept up with the morality and laws of modern society, Islam? In large segments of it, it is still out of the 7th century.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 22, 2016, 03:00:07 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 22, 2016, 01:11:18 PM

Can you tell me one religion, that in some shape or form doesn't proselytize their own faith?

The Jews don't. There are others, but you only asked for one.

Quote from: shakespear on December 22, 2016, 01:11:18 PM

Our own Old Testament gets pretty violent when it comes to dealing with nonbelievers.

When was the last time a non-believer was executed in the public square in America? The difference is, the Muzzies actually believe their Book of Crazy and want to inflict it on as many people as possible. Claiming "Oh, but the Old Testament..." is a false equivalency.

Oh, and as long as we're talking about "skin deep" comparisons like the one you made, "getting stoned" in the West and "getting stoned" in Islamic countries turn out to be a lot different. While I personally don't recommend either one, that second kind can kill you.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 22, 2016, 03:10:20 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 22, 2016, 02:05:38 PM

Muslims. Christianity and Judaism has kept up with the morality and laws of modern society, Islam? In large segments of it, it is still out of the 7th century.

Judaism essentially ended most capital punishment in the first century.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/865-adultery
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110131033400AA6PHQ3

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 22, 2016, 04:15:54 PM

Israel can kill what it regards as terrorists summarily ''during wartime and only for genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes, crimes against the Jewish people, treason, and certain crimes under military law''

Covers a multitude of sins ..

All about 'perspective' , really

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2016, 04:50:58 PM

Negotiation by tweet? Leave it to Trump to accomplish so much with so little. :-*

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/812061677160202240

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2016, 04:59:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 22, 2016, 01:44:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 01:13:59 PM
No. I'm fairly certain that poster B/B and a few million other Americans agree with me. Muslims have no intention of becoming Americans and assimilating. They strive for one thing only and that is conquest of their host country.

That's a whole different "kettle of fish" verses your original statement which condemns the entire muslim faith.

What is the big difference? Whether they're in Germany driving trucks into crowds and murdering people or doing it in Nice or taking hostages in Paris and killing hundreds with firearms what is the difference? Can you tell me any other religion which is committing the heinous acts which muslims now commit on an almost daily basis?

They are not a normal religion which operates peacefully alongside others, they are a political death cult and the silence of the "moderates" tells us all we need to know.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 22, 2016, 05:19:20 PM

Statism, the world's most dangerous religion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2016, 07:27:52 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 22, 2016, 05:19:20 PM

Statism, the world's most dangerous religion.

There's no doubt that government with too much power is extremely dangerous. The left has always been wanting to have more and more power and they do it through theft by force. Don't pay your taxes? You'll go to jail or prison and your possessions will be forcibly taken away.

The socialists in our midst always say we're paranoid when we mention 30 to 50 Million civilian deaths caused by Stalin, all the millions of deaths caused by Mao and all the deaths caused by Pol Pot. But that kind of unbridled control always goes to the deep end without checks and balances.

The latest "form" of socialism which would lead to communism has been this bizarre PC version pushed by the left where white males are the most evil and must be punished and so forth down the line. But notice that it is inherently Marxist which is class warfare based on jealousy, rile up the masses, then theft. For generations of white males they could not get hired or were not promoted here in the USA due to unfair quota's. Quota's allegedly to make things "fair" which only cause more jealously and division, all enforced by an all powerful government.

Not in the good graces of the government in the 20th Century and now 21st Century? You won't go to a gulag or penal colony however you will be an outcast and deprived of the ability to earn what others earn. Just look at the CEO in California who was "outed" for being for traditional marriage. He has never worked since and this cost him millions in lost wages.

So the left claims that they are pushing for "equality" but artificial control by the government never results in equality it results in winners and losers.

Why Trump is so overwhelmingly popular with whites is he is non PC and believes people should be rewarded for merit and not because of grievances over skin color or gender.

No doubt the leftists and cultural Marxists will be pushing hard for their agenda in 8 short years when Trump's brilliant reign comes to an end. The sheep will once again be fooled by the likes of a Hillary, a follower of Saul Alinsky and ultimately Lenin, Stalin, Mao and all the other genocidal communists.

http://rense.com/general80/fon.htm

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2016, 07:53:22 PM

Another great choice by Trump! Kellyanne Conway for Counselor.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/kellyanne-conway-counselor-president-trump-232911

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2016, 08:15:13 PM

Quote from: Manny on December 22, 2016, 02:03:55 PM

If you have Google Chrome, this Russian article on Trump will auto translate.

https://cont.ws/post/452971

The comparison of Trump to Che Guevara was horrible. Other than that a very interesting article yet he took some liberties such as claiming Trump will re-investigate 9/11 or have some sort of expose on the Bush's involvement with financing the Nazi party a long time ago. Trump isn't stupid; I highly doubt if he will open the festering wound of 9/11 or poke at the Bush clan either. He needs to stay alive first and foremost.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 22, 2016, 09:18:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 08:15:13 PM

Quote from: Manny on December 22, 2016, 02:03:55 PM
If you have Google Chrome, this Russian article on Trump will auto translate.

https://cont.ws/post/452971

The comparison of Trump to Che Guevara was horrible. Other than that a very interesting article yet he took some liberties such as claiming Trump will re-investigate 9/11 or have some sort of expose on the Bush's involvement with financing the Nazi party a long time ago. Trump isn't stupid; I highly doubt if he will open the festering wound of 9/11 or poke at the Bush clan either. He needs to stay alive first and foremost.

He's being careful until he gets the most out of the Republican Congress.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on December 22, 2016, 09:25:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 12:46:54 PM

I'm not confusing anything; it's you and your bud Mohabism who are confused. I am saying that Islam is nothing but a political death cult, very similar to Naziism.

They are using different methods but the end result is the same. Just like the Nazi's wanted to conquer land and peoples the muslims want to do similar. Read the hadiths.

Islam is just the same as bird flu in flocks of birds (Domestic/non domestic), Foot & mouth in cattle/pigs, the only way to eradicate these pests is to annihilate the whole flock/herds etc...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2016, 11:07:01 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 22, 2016, 09:18:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 08:15:13 PM
Quote from: Manny on December 22, 2016, 02:03:55 PM
If you have Google Chrome, this Russian article on Trump will auto translate.

https://cont.ws/post/452971

The comparison of Trump to Che Guevara was horrible. Other than that a very interesting article yet he took some liberties such as claiming Trump will re-investigate 9/11 or have some sort of expose on the Bush's involvement with financing the Nazi party a long time ago. Trump isn't stupid; I highly doubt if he will open the festering wound of 9/11 or poke at the Bush clan either. He needs to stay alive first and foremost.

He's being careful until he gets the most out of the Republican Congress.

Agreed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2016, 11:09:08 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on December 22, 2016, 09:25:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 12:46:54 PM
I'm not confusing anything; it's you and your bud Mohabism who are confused. I am saying that Islam is nothing but a political death cult, very similar to Naziism.

They are using different methods but the end result is the same. Just like the Nazi's wanted to conquer land and peoples the muslims want to do similar. Read the hadiths.

Islam is just the same as bird flu in flocks of birds (Domestic/non domestic), Foot & mouth in cattle/pigs, the only way to eradicate these pests is to annihilate the whole flock/herds etc...

Mostly agree. I like Trumps plan which is to eliminate the worst of the worst but to create a safe place to live for the rest who can then remain in the middle east and not take their bad habits to Germany or the USA. I'm sure he will have more specifics on this but after he does it as he wisely is not going to telegraph to the enemy unlike Hussein O.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2016, 11:14:39 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 12:14:48 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 22, 2016, 12:01:06 PM
Quote from: Maxx on December 22, 2016, 11:49:24 AM
Quote from: B.B. on December 22, 2016, 11:31:55 AM
Quote from: Maxx on December 21, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
B.B. is OK. A bit of a outta style neo-con but OK.

I was never a liberal, therefore I cannot be a "neo-con". If anything, I am far more of a paleocon (pro-limited government, civil society, Western values and identity, :censored: importing the 3rd world and their :censored: tard religion that they want to use drag us all back to the 6th century).

B/B

Ah, a Ron Paul Pro-Constitution limited government supporter. That's cool. I like those guys.

In that respect I share the B.B. point of view. I would note that the overwhelming majority of RUA that voted regarding the President for 2017 voted for Ron Paul's son.

I always wonder how anyone can think that one person even if he is POTUS can turn the mess around that we are currently in. I suspect some will be disappointed in a less than a year with the direction that Trump pursues.

Trump has done more prior to even becoming President than Hussein Obama achieved in almost 8 years.

1. He saved at minimum 800 Carrier jobs, 1,100 if you're an optimist like me.
2. He got a commitment from the CEO of Sprint Japan to invest 50 Billion in the USA.
3. He's already got a commitment from IBM to create thousands of jobs.
4. He negotiated with Boeing to lower the cost of producing Air Force One.
5. Fidel Castro dropped dead on Black Friday.
6. Russia has backed away from reviewing war plans and is reviewing ways to deal with the USA in a win win manner.
7. He is not backing away from a ban on immigration from muslim countries.

I can see AvHdb is one of those on the left rooting for Trump to fail. Success is always the best revenge and Trump is a master. This is not too say it will be an easy task or even that Trumps success's will be permanent. Just look at how great Reagan did and then others came along later and screwed things up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 23, 2016, 12:31:07 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 11:14:39 PM

I can see AvHdb is one of those on the left rooting for Trump to fail. Success is always the best revenge and Trump is a master. This is not too say it will be an easy task or even that Trumps success's will be permanent. Just look at how great Reagan did and then others came along later and screwed things up.

Since reading is a challenge for you, perhaps your caretaker (mother?) can explain what I wrote upthread.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 23, 2016, 10:01:31 AM

Putin Slams Dem Party: You've Got No Class - Learn to 'Lose Gracefully'

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/putin-slams-dem-party-youve-got-no-class-learn-lose-gracefully/ri18338

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 23, 2016, 10:32:13 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 23, 2016, 12:31:07 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 22, 2016, 11:14:39 PM
I can see AvHdb is one of those on the left rooting for Trump to fail. Success is always the best revenge and Trump is a master. This is not too say it will be an easy task or even that Trumps success's will be permanent. Just look at how great Reagan did and then others came along later and screwed things up.

Since reading is a challenge for you, perhaps your caretaker (mother?) can explain what I wrote upthread.

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 23, 2016, 10:01:31 AM

Putin Slams Dem Party: You've Got No Class - Learn to 'Lose Gracefully'

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/putin-slams-dem-party-youve-got-no-class-learn-lose-gracefully/ri18338

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 23, 2016, 12:53:02 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 22, 2016, 03:00:07 PM

When was the last time a non-believer was executed in the public square in America? The difference is, the Muzzies actually believe their Book of Crazy and want to inflict it on as many people as possible. Claiming "Oh, but the Old Testament..." is a false equivalency.

B.B. - there is not doubt there are "whack job" Muslims. There are also "whack job" Christians.

I don't condemn the entire Muslim faith. I believe the VAST majority of Muslims abhor the actions of the terrorists. However it is troublesome that they don't seem willing to come out as a group and publicly decry the criminals.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 23, 2016, 01:04:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 23, 2016, 12:53:02 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 22, 2016, 03:00:07 PM
When was the last time a non-believer was executed in the public square in America? The difference is, the Muzzies actually believe their Book of Crazy and want to inflict it on as many people as possible. Claiming "Oh, but the Old Testament..." is a false equivalency.

B.B. - there is not doubt there are "whack job" Muslims. There are also "whack job" Christians.

I don't condemn the entire Muslim faith. I believe the VAST majority of Muslims abhor the actions of the terrorists. However it is troublesome that they don't seem willing to come out as a group and publicly decry the criminals.

There have been 30,000 violent terrorist attacks since 9/11. Can you name even one Christian terrorist attack where somebody blew themselves and others up as some sort of protest?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 23, 2016, 01:27:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 23, 2016, 12:53:02 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 22, 2016, 03:00:07 PM
When was the last time a non-believer was executed in the public square in America? The difference is, the Muzzies actually believe their Book of Crazy and want to inflict it on as many people as possible. Claiming "Oh, but the Old Testament..." is a false equivalency.

B.B. - there is not doubt there are "whack job" Muslims. There are also "whack job" Christians.

How, pray tell, does pointing out the existence of "whack job" Christians ameliorate, in ANY WAY, the existence of, and bad acts of, whack job Muslims?

Oh, right...it doesn't. It is merely a variation of one of the Twin Pillars of Dhimmitude: "But..but..but WHITE GUYS DO IT, TOO!!"¹ which exists as a defense mechanism for the speaker, who does not wish to be castigated as a RAYYYYCIIISSSSS/Bigot/Islamophobe who no doubt also hates gay people and the poor.

To equate Christian extremists with Muslim estremists is to have no concept of orders of magnitude. There are simply too many adherents of the religion of peace who are not peaceful at all, and too many of their co-religionists who are jumping up and down, cheering them on.

Note that, were we discussing the Provos (the IRA)--you know, back when they were violent--nobody would be going on about how, "BUT..BUT..BUT THE MUZZIES DO IT, TOO!!" unless I happen to feel like being satirical that day.

Quote from: shakespear on December 23, 2016, 12:53:02 PM

I don't condemn the entire Muslim faith. I believe the VAST majority of Muslims abhor the actions of the terrorists. However it is troublesome that they don't seem willing to come out as a group and publicly decry the criminals.

Ah, the other of the Twin Pillars of Dhimmitude: "WAAAH! YOU MUST HATE ALL MUSLIMS!!! YOU ARE A RAYYYCIIIS/BIGOT/ISLAMOPHOBE WHO NO DOUBT ALSO HATES GAY PEOPLE AND THE POOR!!"

Here's how this typically goes: The Muzzies have a violence problem. I point it out and suddenly *I'm* the bad guy, even though I manage NOT to murder people in the name of religion. Indeed, it's gotten so bad that after the Boston Marathon Bombing, that libtard David Sirota of Salon was openly hoping the bomber was a "white American" (http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_american/). Why? Why would anyone hope that? Because the white guys don't seem to be keeping up their end in the "homicidal maniac" category and because it's becoming increasingly difficult for libtards like Sirota to continue to believe that "all ideas are equally valid" and "all people/religions/cultures" are the same (except for non-liberal white people, who are "badWhites" who must be "corrected"). If they have to admit the truth, what will become of the Moral Vanity then?

B/B

¹ Although, it should be noted, worldwide, the Christian faith is majority-brown. To the folks playing the race card, Christians are white westerners.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 23, 2016, 01:56:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 23, 2016, 01:04:03 PM

There have been 30,000 violent terrorist attacks since 9/11. Can you name even one Christian terrorist attack where somebody blew themselves and others up as some sort of protest?

Google IRA and Shin Fenn . . . . . .

When you're done with that google Bosnia and Srebrenica . . . . . .

Christian atrocities are much more recent than the Old Testament.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 23, 2016, 02:03:15 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 23, 2016, 01:27:45 PM

Here's how this typically goes: The Muzzies have a violence problem. I point it out and suddenly *I'm* the bad guy, even though I manage NOT to murder people in the name of religion.

Wow, B.B. calm down.

I'm not calling you a "bad guy". I'm just saying I'm not prepared to condemn an entire religion because of the actions of a "whack job" sect of that religion.

I'm all for wiping the terrorist Bast?ards off the face of the earth. Unlike Confederate, I just don't think the solution to the problem is lining every Muslim in the world up against a wall and shooting them in the back of the head. However I think the Christian knights of the 9 crusades may have well favored that suggestion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on December 23, 2016, 04:06:38 PM

I love reading the crusades banter when folks talk about how bad christians were. It's ironic that the crusades came about as a response to Islamic aggression but who am I to piss on someone's bonfire.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 23, 2016, 04:13:04 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 23, 2016, 01:56:20 PM

Google IRA and Shin Fenn . . . . . .

Maybe you should Google it. The last IRA bombing was more than 20 years ago.

And again, I ask, how does the existence of the IRA in any way ameliorate the bad acts of Islamic terrorists?

Quote from: shakespear on December 23, 2016, 01:56:20 PM

When you're done with that google Bosnia and Srebrenica . . . . . .

Again, this falls out of the "post-2001" window. It is also properly understood as a genocide.

Quote from: shakespear on December 23, 2016, 02:03:15 PM

Wow, B.B. calm down.

B.B. is perfectly calm.

Quote from: shakespear on December 23, 2016, 02:03:15 PM

I'm just saying I'm not prepared to condemn an entire religion because of the actions of a "whack job" sect of that religion.

"But...but...but not all Muslims!!". It doesn't HAVE to be. And saying "I'm not condemning an entire religion..." is just PC bullshit. You're making excuses for them.

The Somalis royally f*cked up their own country, and now Obama imports them so they can f*ck up ours. They don't share western values, and they would be better off in a place with a more similar culture to their own.

Quote from: shakespear on December 23, 2016, 02:03:15 PM

However I think the Christian knights of the 9 crusades may have well favored that suggestion.

You are not seriously raising the crusades as some sort of justification for Islamic terrorism are you?

B/B

Title: Four weeks from today
Post by: Maxx on December 23, 2016, 04:26:32 PM

Just think four weeks from today someone new in the White House. It has been a long, long 8 years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on December 23, 2016, 05:02:08 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 23, 2016, 04:13:04 PM

You are not seriously raising the crusades as some sort of justification for Islamic terrorism are you?

B/B

The expulsion of the Moors from Spain is another justification....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 23, 2016, 05:23:49 PM

Quote from: rosco on December 23, 2016, 04:06:38 PM

I love reading the crusades banter when folks talk about how bad christians were. It's ironic that the crusades came about as a response to Islamic aggression but who am I to piss on someone's bonfire.

This is correct. The Crusades were not an offensive operation, it was a defensive operation in response to muslim atrocities and land grabs.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 23, 2016, 05:28:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 23, 2016, 02:03:15 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 23, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
Here's how this typically goes: The Muzzies have a violence problem. I point it out and suddenly *I'm* the bad guy, even though I manage NOT to murder people in the name of religion.

Wow, B.B. calm down.

I'm not calling you a "bad guy". I'm just saying I'm not prepared to condemn an entire religion because of the actions of a "whack job" sect of that religion.

I'm all for wiping the terrorist Bast?ards off the face of the earth. Unlike Confederate, I just don't think the solution to the problem is lining every Muslim in the world up against a wall and shooting them in the back of the head. However I think the Christian knights of the 9 crusades may have well favored that suggestion.

This is an outrageous post on your part. I've never said any such thing as what you just claimed I wrote. I would like an apology for this slander. What I've said from day one is that Trump is correct: we need to have a ban on muslims immigrating to the USA, and the USA and allies must destroy ISIS over there and build a free space for them over there. You are just determined to tell a bold faced lie.

Title: Re: Four weeks from today
Post by: Contrarian on December 23, 2016, 05:30:18 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 23, 2016, 04:26:32 PM

Just think four weeks from today someone new in the White House. It has been a long, long 8 years.

Very long. And Hussein O. is determined to continue his dirty work until the day before he leaves, or so it seems.

Real hope and change is on the way though. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 23, 2016, 06:09:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 23, 2016, 05:28:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 23, 2016, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: B.B. on December 23, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
Here's how this typically goes: The Muzzies have a violence problem. I point it out and suddenly *I'm* the bad guy, even though I manage NOT to murder people in the name of religion.

Wow, B.B. calm down.

I'm not calling you a "bad guy". I'm just saying I'm not prepared to condemn an entire religion because of the actions of a "whack job" sect of that religion.

I'm all for wiping the terrorist Bast?ards off the face of the earth. Unlike Confederate, I just don't think the solution to the problem is lining every Muslim in the world up against a wall and shooting them in the back of the head. However I think the Christian knights of the 9 crusades may have well favored that suggestion.

This is an outrageous post on your part. I've never said any such thing as what you just claimed I wrote. I would like an apology for this slander. What I've said from day one is that Trump is correct: we need to have a ban on muslims immigrating to the USA, and the USA and allies must destroy ISIS over there and build a free space for them over there. You are just determined to tell a bold faced lie.

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And he's still calling us contemptuously "Trumpsters". I was hoping he learned a thing or two about being a RINO. He's been wrong over and over again yet has learned nothing from it especially about getting some humility.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 23, 2016, 08:08:41 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 23, 2016, 06:09:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 23, 2016, 05:28:32 PM
Quote from: shakespear on December 23, 2016, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: B.B. on December 23, 2016, 01:27:45 PM
Here's how this typically goes: The Muzzies have a violence problem. I point it out and suddenly *I'm* the bad guy, even though I manage NOT to murder people in the name of religion.

Wow, B.B. calm down.

I'm not calling you a "bad guy". I'm just saying I'm not prepared to condemn an entire religion because of the actions of a "whack job" sect of that religion.

I'm all for wiping the terrorist Bast?ards off the face of the earth. Unlike Confederate, I just don't think the solution to the problem is lining every Muslim in the world up against a wall and shooting them in the back of the head. However I think the Christian knights of the 9 crusades may have well favored that suggestion.

This is an outrageous post on your part. I've never said any such thing as what you just claimed I wrote. I would like an apology for this slander. What I've said from day one is that Trump is correct: we need to have a ban on muslims immigrating to the USA, and the USA and allies must destroy ISIS over there and build a free space for them over there. You are just determined to tell a bold faced lie.

And he's still calling us contemptuously "Trumpsters". I was hoping he learned a thing or two about being a RINO. He's been wrong over and over again yet has learned nothing from it especially about getting some humility.

I have nothing against Shakespeare personally although I was disappointed w/ his attitude towards Trump and Trump supporters; at least he says he did vote for Trump.

The election is over so it's a time for the country to come together and get some things accomplished. Putting words in my mouth or in any Trump supporters mouth is not going to help. I suspect he may have read posts by Steveboy and Gypsy who also did not say what he said, but seemed to be more definite in their attitudes than myself.

I know a couple of muslim business's and never had any problem with them. This is not about rounding people up simply because of their religion however going forward I believe a ban on muslim immigrants to the USA should be permanent. As well the FBI should monitor muslim mosques for terror speech and there should be zero tolerance for those who are not 100% committed to the US constitution. Those who believe in Sharia cannot be Americans. Period.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 23, 2016, 11:58:17 PM

Lockheed Martin agrees to lower costs on the F35 fighter plane. Trump wins again!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/winning-lockheed-lower-cost-f-35-trump-win-taxpayers/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 24, 2016, 12:55:02 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 23, 2016, 05:23:49 PM

Quote from: rosco on December 23, 2016, 04:06:38 PM
I love reading the crusades banter when folks talk about how bad christians were. It's ironic that the crusades came about as a response to Islamic aggression but who am I to piss on someone's bonfire.

This is correct. The Crusades were not an offensive operation, it was a defensive operation in response to muslim atrocities and land grabs.

Confederate you have an extremely poor understanding of European history.

The majority of the Crusades were with the goal of reclaiming The Holy Lands from the Muslims. But the Crusades were frequent military disasters or often ended in struggles between European kings and states. The very last crusades were in fact attempts to take back lands the Ottomans had conquered.

The Ottoman's from about 1300 onwards invaded a large part of Central Europe. At various times they controlled a region including present day Moldavia, all of present day Greece, the Balkans, Hungary they captured the cities of Buda & Pest and most of the Danube valley. In 1529 the Ottomans reached and laid siege to Vienna, this campaign ended in defeat for the Ottoman's and in some respects marks the decline of this empire. From this time onwards they suffered loss of control of lands they claimed through conquest.

The decline accelerated with the start of the Russian Turkish (Ottoman) wars. By 1900 The Ottoman empire was no more.

If you want to study further there is A. J. Toynbee (though some of his views are strange) and B. Tuchman, A Distant Mirror is very readable.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Danchik on December 24, 2016, 02:22:25 AM

Let me preface by saying I don't agree with the Muslim creed. It doesn't belong in Western society. If a Muslim, any Muslim, decides to immigrate to another country, they simply have to acclimate to their new country.

Having said that, what seems to be overlooked in all this debate is, unbelievably, the elephant in the room. America/West, get the :censored: out of their countries unless invited. 99% of the terrorist attacks have been in countries that have invaded, or participated in some sort of occupation which involved the killing of innocent MUSLIMS.

I'm not a fan of man made religions, at all. To argue about which religion is worse, or which has casued the most atrocities past or present is moot; they all suck, and they all continue to harm people in some way or another.

America/West, leave, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. Let them go back to killing each other in the name of God/Allah. Stop destoying their homeland (for oil/regime change) and then feeling sorry for them afterwards in some sort of perverted attempt to rectify the situation and invite them to live in cultures where they don't belong. Simple.

Again, a case where Westeners look at the symptoms and not the disease.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 24, 2016, 03:46:07 AM

See, there yer go, levels of reality again!

Religion is a useful distraction for the sheeple because most of us have some particular brand of superstition that we claim is 'ours' and is better than 'theirs'.

I agree that the US and its allies SHOULD get out of where they are not wanted. I agree that the pushback we see in the West is a reaction to the atrocities committed by the US and allies over generations, but with particular virulence in the past couple of decades.

But we ain't invading, destroying and raping those countries for religion. The ONLY reason that push back comes, mainly, from believers in the superstition branded Islam is because the victims of US and allies oppression are Muslim.

We are not destroying these countries for religion, that might be an excuse, but, rather, for comparative advantage. They have something we want, or block our access to that which we covet. In some cases our actions are to stop others getting that which we covet.

If the countries we were attacking were Christian, Animist, Buddhist or Jewish then the push-back would come from people whose chosen superstition was one of those.

Remember that terrorism is a military strategy that is usually, but not always, driven by a very large disparity in size and resources, between the combatants. The goal is to produce a disproportionately large effect with low resource input.

Wars lead to destruction of lives and wealth on a large scale but usually the effects are limited to the location and people of the attacked group. The attacker's population sees little or nothing of the real costs of war. Terrorism works because it brings some of the costs back to the invader's population. If the attacking population perceive that the costs of the war are too high then the war will cease. As a strategy it is pretty effective, albeit that the effects take time to be seen. Decades can pass before the terrorism is effective - as we saw in South Africa and Northern Ireland to name but two. Terrorism does not always work though as we saw in Chechnya.

There's absolutely nothing inherently 'Muslim' about what is going on. This is about oppressed and disgraced people fighting back. And yes, I also understand that ISIS is a manufactured tool which complicates matters, however the rank and file of ISIS are, I am certain, fighting for that in which they believe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 24, 2016, 04:48:34 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 24, 2016, 12:55:02 AM

. By 1900 The Ottoman empire was no more.

If you want to study further there is A. J. Toynbee (though some of his views are strange) and B. Tuchman, A Distant Mirror is very readable.

Is that were you learnt the Ottoman Empire ended earlier than reality ? ;)

As you said, it reached it's zenith in the 1500s - but it certainly still controlled Thrace ( the part of Greece where Ataturk was born ) and much of the middle east ...

Surely joining and losing WW1 with the Axis powers, and subsequent land swaps with Greece - having lost - was the true end ?

IF the Bolsheviks hadn't risen, Imperial Russia would have nicked more Ottoman land and even pushed to free ' Constantinople' .....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 07:38:04 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 23, 2016, 05:28:32 PM

This is an outrageous post on your part. I've never said any such thing as what you just claimed I wrote. I would like an apology for this slander. What I've said from day one is that Trump is correct: we need to have a ban on muslims immigrating to the USA, and the USA and allies must destroy ISIS over there and build a free space for them over there. You are just determined to tell a bold faced lie.

No "apology" required or forthcoming.

What you did say is this: "I am saying that Islam is nothing but a political death cult, very similar to Naziism." That is very different than what you are saying above.

My remark was absolutely a logical and accurate conclusion to the thought you expressed earlier.

Poshyol ty

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2016, 07:38:41 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 24, 2016, 12:55:02 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 23, 2016, 05:23:49 PM
Quote from: rosco on December 23, 2016, 04:06:38 PM
I love reading the crusades banter when folks talk about how bad christians were. It's ironic that the crusades came about as a response to Islamic aggression but who am I to piss on someone's bonfire.

This is correct. The Crusades were not an offensive operation, it was a defensive operation in response to muslim atrocities and land grabs.

Confederate you have an extremely poor understanding of European history.

The majority of the Crusades were with the goal of reclaiming The Holy Lands from the Muslims. But the Crusades were frequent military disasters or often ended in struggles between European kings and states. The very last crusades were in fact attempts to take back lands the Ottomans had conquered.

The Ottoman's from about 1300 onwards invaded a large part of Central Europe. At various times they controlled a region including present day Moldavia, all of present day Greece, the Balkans, Hungary they captured the cities of Buda & Pest and most of the Danube valley. In 1529 the Ottomans reached and laid siege to Vienna, this campaign ended in defeat for the Ottoman's and in some respects marks the decline of this empire. From this time onwards they suffered loss of control of lands they claimed through conquest.

The decline accelerated with the start of the Russian Turkish (Ottoman) wars. By 1900 The Ottoman empire was no more.

If you want to study further there is A. J. Toynbee (though some of his views are strange) and B. Tuchman, A Distant Mirror is very readable.

The Ottoman's were Muslims, you moron. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2016, 07:40:59 AM

Quote from: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 07:38:04 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 23, 2016, 05:28:32 PM
This is an outrageous post on your part. I've never said any such thing as what you just claimed I wrote. I would like an apology for this slander. What I've said from day one is that Trump is correct: we need to have a ban on muslims immigrating to the USA, and the USA and allies must destroy ISIS over there and build a free space for them over there. You are just determined to tell a bold faced lie.

No "apology" required or forthcoming.

What you did say is this: "I am saying that Islam is nothing but a political death cult, very similar to Naziism." That is very different than what you are saying above.

My remark was absolutely a logical and accurate conclusion to the thought you expressed earlier.

Poshyol ty

Saying they are Nazi's is quite different than saying they should be lined up and shot. It's saying the World needs to recognize them as enemy's and take concrete actions.

You still owe me an apology.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 07:41:07 AM

Quote from: Maxx on December 23, 2016, 06:09:28 PM

And he's still calling us contemptuously "Trumpsters". I was hoping he learned a thing or two about being a RINO. He's been wrong over and over again yet has learned nothing from it especially about getting some humility.

But I have proved I pay my bets. :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 07:45:03 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 07:40:59 AM

Saying they are Nazi's is quite different than saying they should be lined up and shot. It's saying the World needs to recognize them as enemy's and take concrete actions.

The enemy? All 1.57 billion of them? That's 1 out of every 4 people in the world.

Or do you mean just the militant "whack job" ones?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2016, 07:49:00 AM

Quote from: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 07:45:03 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 07:40:59 AM

Saying they are Nazi's is quite different than saying they should be lined up and shot. It's saying the World needs to recognize them as enemy's and take concrete actions.

The enemy? All 1.57 billion of them? That's 1 out of every 4 people in the world.

Or do you mean just the militant "whack job" ones?

Refer to Trump's policy and to who he has hired to carry out his orders, such as General Mattis and others.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 24, 2016, 08:41:42 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 07:49:00 AM

Quote from: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 07:45:03 AM
Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 07:40:59 AM

Saying they are Nazi's is quite different than saying they should be lined up and shot. It's saying the World needs to recognize them as enemy's and take concrete actions.

The enemy? All 1.57 billion of them? That's 1 out of every 4 people in the world.

Or do you mean just the militant "whack job" ones?

Refer to Trump's policy and to who he has hired to carry out his orders, such as General Mattis and others.

1,57 billion of them, yet they do not take matters into their own hands to deal with the cancer within their own religion.
That pretty much sums up their desire to live in peace.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 24, 2016, 08:54:07 AM

Good new re: Trump and increasing US nuke power, new guard on on big red button so Trump can't press it...

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 10:32:39 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 07:49:00 AM

Refer to Trump's policy and to who he has hired to carry out his orders, such as General Mattis and others.

So you're advocating the 10th Crusade?

BTW, I've met General Mattis. He was one of my instructors at TBS. I'm sure he would consider a mindset like yours to be "totally wacked out".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2016, 11:11:07 AM

Quote from: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 10:32:39 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 07:49:00 AM
Refer to Trump's policy and to who he has hired to carry out his orders, such as General Mattis and others.

So you're advocating the 10th Crusade?

BTW, I've met General Mattis. He was one of my instructors at TBS. I'm sure he would consider a mindset like yours to be "totally wacked out".

He works for Trump now so if that were true than he could relay those feelings to Trump. But as usual you are prone to hyperbole and gross exaggerations.

I'm confident that Trump's policy of how to deal with this menace will be a good one and effective.

I'm hopeful his "temporary ban" on muslim immigration will become a permanent one. They are not capable of assimilating into Western society so they can stay where they are.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2016, 11:13:00 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 24, 2016, 08:41:42 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 07:49:00 AM
Quote from: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 07:45:03 AM
Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 07:40:59 AM

Saying they are Nazi's is quite different than saying they should be lined up and shot. It's saying the World needs to recognize them as enemy's and take concrete actions.

The enemy? All 1.57 billion of them? That's 1 out of every 4 people in the world.

Or do you mean just the militant "whack job" ones?

Refer to Trump's policy and to who he has hired to carry out his orders, such as General Mattis and others.

1,57 billion of them, yet they do not take matters into their own hands to deal with the cancer within their own religion.
That pretty much sums up their desire to live in peace.

Because most of the "moderates" who are silent publicly in private cheer the loons on.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 24, 2016, 12:32:56 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 11:13:00 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 24, 2016, 08:41:42 AM
1,57 billion of them, yet they do not take matters into their own hands to deal with the cancer within their own religion.
That pretty much sums up their desire to live in peace.
Because most of the "moderates" who are silent publicly in private cheer the loons on.

Confederate, Care to share with us how you know this fact.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 12:52:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 11:11:07 AM

I'm hopeful his "temporary ban" on muslim immigration will become a permanent one. They are not capable of assimilating into Western society so they can stay where they are.

I personally know several Muslims who have successfully assimilated into this country and who have made "small fortunes" in the business world.

Your generalizations is what makes your ilk dangerous (:)

Your bigotry towards ALL Muslims is clear for all to see. :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 24, 2016, 01:22:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 12:52:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 11:11:07 AM
I'm hopeful his "temporary ban" on muslim immigration will become a permanent one. They are not capable of assimilating into Western society so they can stay where they are.

I personally know several Muslims who have successfully assimilated into this country and who have made "small fortunes" in the business world.

Your generalizations is what makes your ilk dangerous (:)

Your bigotry towards ALL Muslims is clear for all to see. :nod:

This is not about Muslims but rather about the wounding and hindering of the Trump's presidency. If need be both the left and the right use the same arguments. They did during the selling out of America with NAFTA with "Free Trade" (Rigged more like it) being the reason for its adoption into law. The establishment Democrats and Republicans are like two opposing crime families. They will weakly fight with each other until their crap game gets threatened. Then they unite. Normally Shakespear would not be defending the Muslims. He has been supporting people who've been killing them for years. He has been defending the Halliburton like industries and the War profiteers all those corrupt DC politicians he claims he has a connection with. It is amusing to me that he thinks he call sell his "compassion for other people" to us.

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

― Marcus Tullius Cicero

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 24, 2016, 01:28:22 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 24, 2016, 12:32:56 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 24, 2016, 08:41:42 AM
1,57 billion of them, yet they do not take matters into their own hands to deal with the cancer within their own religion.
That pretty much sums up their desire to live in peace.
Because most of the "moderates" who are silent publicly in private cheer the loons on.

Confederate, Care to share with us how you know this fact.

We've been seeing it for years. Moderate Muslims will not speak out against radical Muslims in their midst who are up to no good.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 24, 2016, 01:51:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 12:52:57 PM

Your generalizations is what makes your ilk dangerous (:)

Your'e the one who said he said to line them all up and shoot them in the head. He wants to line them all up and put them on buses, trains and planes and send them to someplace where they can't make trouble.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2016, 01:58:47 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 24, 2016, 01:28:22 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 24, 2016, 12:32:56 PM
Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 24, 2016, 08:41:42 AM
1,57 billion of them, yet they do not take matters into their own hands to deal with the cancer within their own religion.
That pretty much sums up their desire to live in peace.
Because most of the "moderates" who are silent publicly in private cheer the loons on.

Confederate, Care to share with us how you know this fact.

We've been seeing it for years. Moderate Muslims will not speak out against radical Muslims in their midst who are up to no good.

Exactly! :thumbsup:

How can you "know" a fact when it is overwhelmingly obvious?

Mr. Av can you show us a proof denying it? Can you prove that moderate Muslims have been ready and willing to root out the extremists in their midst? Can you show me a moderate Muslim army which has gone to war against extremists? You cannot do it because they are forbidden to fight against other Muslims.

I could show you a program where an actual moderate Muslim journalist and activist goes to a regular Muslim place of worship and posts something asking them to denounce radicals and they rip it down and pretend he was never there.

However what is the point? As we've seen by Shakespeare and a few others there are always going to be apologists.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2016, 02:04:19 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 24, 2016, 01:51:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 12:52:57 PM

Your generalizations is what makes your ilk dangerous (:)

Your'e the one who said he said to line them all up and shoot them in the head. He wants to line them all up and put them on buses, trains and planes and send them to someplace where they can't make trouble.

I would like to send them away however those already here do have a Constitutional right to stay here provided they swear an oath of loyalty to the US Constitution and denounce Sharia. If they will not denounce Sharia then I believe the USA has a right to expel them.

I certainly never said anything like Shakespeare attempted to imply, that is for sure! I am more concerned with a permanent ban on bringing them and the rational is that they are unable to 100% support our Constitution and Western values. I believe Trump's plan is to kill, over there, the most radical of the bunch being ISIS, Al Queda, and Al Nusra. That is for the President to decide as well as his General's after he is sworn into office.

More importantly Trump has a plan to give them a "safe space" over there in the middle east. NOT in the West!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2016, 02:08:42 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 24, 2016, 01:22:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 12:52:57 PM
Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 11:11:07 AM
I'm hopeful his "temporary ban" on muslim immigration will become a permanent one. They are not capable of assimilating into Western society so they can stay where they are.

I personally know several Muslims who have successfully assimilated into this country and who have made "small fortunes" in the business world.

Your generalizations is what makes your ilk dangerous (:)

Your bigotry towards ALL Muslims is clear for all to see. :nod:

This is not about Muslims but rather about the wounding and hindering of the Trump's presidency. If need be both the left and the right use the same arguments. They did during the selling out of America with NAFTA with "Free Trade" (Rigged more like it) being the reason for its adoption into law. The establishment Democrats and Republicans are like two opposing crime families. They will weakly fight with each other until their crap game gets threatened. Then they unite. Normally Shakespear would not be defending the Muslims. He has been supporting people who've been killing them for years. He has been defending the Halliburton like industries and the War profiteers all those corrupt DC politicians he claims he has a connection with. It is amusing to me that he thinks he call sell his "compassion for other people" to us.

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”

― Marcus Tullius Cicero

Very well said Maxx and thank you for your support. Guys like Shakespeare repeatedly attempt to take things out of context and misinform. I didn't want to ever say Shakespeare was a traitor but if he cannot realize the severity of the problem and if as you say he was possibly part of the problem (supporting the likes of Haliburton and George Bush Jr's warmongering in the middle east...) then it does appear his "social justice warrior" attitude is fake and his concern misplaced.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2016, 02:15:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 12:52:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 11:11:07 AM
I'm hopeful his "temporary ban" on muslim immigration will become a permanent one. They are not capable of assimilating into Western society so they can stay where they are.

Your generalizations is what makes your ilk dangerous (:)

I feel the same way about you and other apologists like you.

The USA cannot afford to become another France, Germany or Sweden.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2016, 02:22:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 24, 2016, 07:45:03 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 07:40:59 AM

Saying they are Nazi's is quite different than saying they should be lined up and shot. It's saying the World needs to recognize them as enemy's and take concrete actions.

The enemy? All 1.57 billion of them? That's 1 out of every 4 people in the world.

Or do you mean just the militant "whack job" ones?

This is a pretty definitive answer to those like you who wish to explain away the problem.

Prior to WWII most Germans were peaceful but it was the Nazi's who drove the agenda, and as a result 50 million people died.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 24, 2016, 03:54:19 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 24, 2016, 12:32:56 PM

Confederate, Care to share with us how you know this fact.

A friend of mine is an apostate Muslim of Iranian extraction--he is actually an atheist but has to hide that fact from his family and in-laws. He has told me, point blank, that his family and many Muslims he knows do, in fact, say one thing about 9/11 in public, along the lines of "oh, it was terrible, blah, blah" while privately, among themselves, are like "Yeah, America had it coming, :censored: them."

Bear in mind that I'm not particularly hostile to god-botherers who can manage not to demonstrate how much their particular god "loves" everyone by having his followers, y'know, murder people. Indeed, a friend of mine who is a Syrian American (born here, of Syrian parents, considers himself to be Syrian) and I spent what turned out to be about two hours a couple of weeks ago discussing the Hadith, which in Islam is an account of Muhammad's actions, sayings, etc, outside of the Quran. I realize this is unusual--indeed, he paused to say that he never thought he'd be discussing the Hadith with a non-Muslim, or even that a non-Muslim would know what the Hadith even was. Indeed, there have been some wobbly attempts on the part of my Muslim friends to convert me. /shrugs

At any rate to decide that only the terrorists--who have an Equal Chance of Being Amish!--are the problem is, well, a bit naive. There are too many violent Islamists, and too many others jumping up and down, cheering. It is an imperialist religion by nature.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 24, 2016, 03:57:26 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 02:15:27 PM

The USA cannot afford to become another France, Germany or Sweden.

Indeed. You don't invite the Devil into your house.

Part of the problem with Islamic immigration--even with the non-psycho type--is that America is an alien culture to them. They don't share our values or our traditions or our culture or our native language, etc., etc., They would be better served by re-settling in Islamic nations which will have familiar culture, language, religion, etc., or living in "safe zones" within their particular countries, if they are from conflict zones. Instead, the libtards want to import them to the West to show how "good" they (the libtards) are. STOO-PID!

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on December 24, 2016, 04:05:40 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 24, 2016, 03:57:26 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 02:15:27 PM
The USA cannot afford to become another France, Germany or Sweden.

Indeed. You don't invite the Devil into your house.

Part of the problem with Islamic immigration--even with the non-psycho type--is that America is an alien culture to them. They don't share our values or our traditions or our culture or our native language, etc., etc., They would be better served by re-settling in Islamic nations which will have familiar culture, language, religion, etc., or living in "safe zones" within their particular countries, if they are from conflict zones. Instead, the libtards want to import them to the West to show how "good" they (the libtards) are. STOO-PID!

B/B

Isn't it peculiar that they,(muzzies) themselves don't want to re settle in Islamic countries? They know which side their breads buttered for sure. They use the very freedoms they abhor to twist every advantage and benefit to advance their cause.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 24, 2016, 04:09:38 PM

Quote from: B.B. link=topic=24412.msg455130#msg455130date=1482620246

Indeed. You don't invite the Devil into your house. [ /quote]

Your forefathers weren't even 'invited' ... The irony of all you write - in relation to them and their behaviour - can't be lost on you..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 24, 2016, 04:25:53 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on December 24, 2016, 04:05:40 PM

Isn't it peculiar that they,(muzzies) [ Hindus, Christians, et al ] - themselves don't want to re settle in [other ] Islamic / Hindu / Christian countries? They know which side their breads buttered for sure. They use the very freedoms they abhor to twist every advantage and benefit to advance their cause.

'They' ? ..the correct descriptive pronoun you may be looking for is some..... But let's not let facts get in the ways of prejudice, eh ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 24, 2016, 04:35:23 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 02:04:19 PM

More importantly Trump has a plan to give them a "safe space" over there in the middle east. NOT in the West!

A. Lincoln had such a plan for those who were freed from slavery.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 24, 2016, 04:48:34 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 24, 2016, 03:57:26 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 02:15:27 PM
The USA cannot afford to become another France, Germany or Sweden.

Indeed. You don't invite the Devil into your house.

Part of the problem with Islamic immigration--even with the non-psycho type--is that America is an alien culture to them. They don't share our values or our traditions or our culture or our native language, etc., etc., They would be better served by re-settling in Islamic nations which will have familiar culture, language, religion, etc., or living in "safe zones" within their particular countries, if they are from conflict zones. Instead, the libtards want to import them to the West to show how "good" they (the libtards) are. STOO-PID!

B/B

Good stuff :thumbsup: exactly

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2016, 06:11:41 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 24, 2016, 04:35:23 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 02:04:19 PM
More importantly Trump has a plan to give them a "safe space" over there in the middle east. NOT in the West!

A. Lincoln had such a plan for those who were freed from slavery.

Too bad he didn't actually put the plan to action. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2016, 06:14:05 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on December 24, 2016, 04:05:40 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 24, 2016, 03:57:26 PM
Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2016, 02:15:27 PM
The USA cannot afford to become another France, Germany or Sweden.

Indeed. You don't invite the Devil into your house.

Part of the problem with Islamic immigration--even with the non-psycho type--is that America is an alien culture to them. They don't share our values or our traditions or our culture or our native language, etc., etc., They would be better served by re-settling in Islamic nations which will have familiar culture, language, religion, etc., or living in "safe zones" within their particular countries, if they are from conflict zones. Instead, the libtards want to import them to the West to show how "good" they (the libtards) are. STOO-PID!

B/B
Isn't it peculiar that they,(muzzies) themselves don't want to re settle in Islamic countries? They know which side their breads buttered for sure. They use the very freedoms they abhor to twist every advantage and benefit to advance their cause.

If the USA and others eliminated the free housing, free food and other handouts (IOW they had to earn their keep like our ancestors did) you would be amazed at how fast muslim and even mexican immigration would slow to a halt.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/145910635956/trumps-muslim-immigration-proposal-update

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2016, 06:21:21 PM

Maxx and a few others, you're going to love this one!

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20170120T12&p0=263&msg=Trump+Becomes+President+of+the+United+States+of+America&font=cursive

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 24, 2016, 06:42:47 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 24, 2016, 04:09:38 PM

Your forefathers weren't even 'invited' ... The irony of all you write - in relation to them and their behaviour - can't be lost on you..

Of course not: the experience of the Indians (both feather AND dot) show the danger of unchecked immigration by another group.

What part of that isn't clear?

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2016, 07:51:57 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzrSdREVEAABwym.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on December 24, 2016, 08:09:27 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 24, 2016, 06:42:47 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 24, 2016, 04:09:38 PM
Your forefathers weren't even 'invited' ... The irony of all you write - in relation to them and their behaviour - can't be lost on you..

Of course not: the experience of the Indians (both feather AND dot) show the danger of unchecked immigration by another group.

What part of that isn't clear?

B/B

Excellent rebuttal counselor! :laugh: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 24, 2016, 09:14:32 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 24, 2016, 04:09:38 PM

Your forefathers weren't even 'invited' ... The irony of all you write - in relation to them and their behaviour - can't be lost on you..

Quote from: B.B. on December 24, 2016, 06:42:47 PM

Of course not: the experience of the Indians (both feather AND dot) show the danger of unchecked immigration by another group.

What part of that isn't clear?

B/B

I 'see' ...'we' must learn by the 'good deeds' of the fore-fathers ?

It's 'clear', now . :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 25, 2016, 09:56:20 AM

Quote from: msmoby on December 24, 2016, 09:14:32 PM

I 'see' ...'we' must learn by the 'good deeds' of the fore-fathers ?

It's 'clear', now . :'(

What is clear is you and your ilk have some suicidal need to "make up" for the "sins" of the forefathers--whose sin was "Winning"--by sacrificing Western culture, and Western children, on the altar of the false idols of "diversity" and "white guilt", so long some someone else pays the price. You may be ok with getting hammered in the ass by Sand People, and letting them overrun our embarrassingly superior civilization, but none for the rest of us, thanks.

Oh, and just how many members of the Kandahar Boys Club will you be putting up and feeding? Would that be zero? :coffeeread:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 25, 2016, 01:27:36 PM

President elect Trump and Melania attended an evening Mass in Palm Beach, Florida.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/311782-trump-attends-christmas-eve-services

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0iG4bJUoAA6P5m.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 27, 2016, 02:20:24 PM

Obama has turned into a real dick in his final week's in office.not just what be is doing to international affairs, but here in the states as well.
Will be interesting to see if the United states will drop out of the United nations.

Obama and Trump are engaged in a $3 billion game of chicken over Israel

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/27/obama-and-trump-are-engaged-in-a-3-billion-game-of-chicken-over-israel-commentary.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 27, 2016, 03:25:16 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 27, 2016, 02:20:24 PM

Obama has turned into a real dick in his final week's in office.

Isn't amazing how can smile and talk so reassuring while he plunges the knife into someone's back.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 27, 2016, 04:14:32 PM

Clinton is not yet out of the woods with her email controversy. Just have to wait and see if Obama will pardon the witch before he leaves office?

U.S. appeals court revives Clinton email suit

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14G1M4

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 27, 2016, 04:41:57 PM

Trump Tower had to be evacuated for a suspicious package. This person joked:

The suspicious package at Trump Tower has been identified as a tax return and has now been destroyed,” wrote Jeremy Price. ‏

http://nypost.com/2016/12/27/trump-tower-reportedly-evacuated/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 28, 2016, 09:13:19 AM

This man is a true idiot....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38451258 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38451258)

(https://s5.postimg.org/s3wxnap8n/IMG_2046.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 28, 2016, 11:20:54 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 27, 2016, 04:41:57 PM

The suspicious package at Trump Tower has been identified as a tax return and has now been destroyed,” wrote Jeremy Price. ‏

Interesting point though. Trump DID CLEARLY promise to release his tax returns after the election.

Do you think he will actually do it?

I'm betting no.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 28, 2016, 11:34:56 AM

Quote from: shakespear on December 28, 2016, 11:20:54 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 27, 2016, 04:41:57 PM
The suspicious package at Trump Tower has been identified as a tax return and has now been destroyed,” wrote Jeremy Price. ‏

Interesting point though. Trump DID CLEARLY promise to release his tax returns after the election.

Do you think he will actually do it?

I'm betting no.

I believe they've set the nuclear launch codes to the same as his tax number, so we're safe.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 28, 2016, 04:13:48 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 28, 2016, 09:13:19 AM

This man is a true idiot....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38451258 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38451258)

(https://s5.postimg.org/s3wxnap8n/IMG_2046.jpg)

You do realize the article you posted is critical of John Kerry and not Trump, don't you?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 28, 2016, 06:35:43 PM

http://canadafreepress.com/article/rep.-maxine-waters-refuses-to-meet-or-work-with-trump

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeWA_38UMAAVYhM.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 28, 2016, 06:39:33 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 28, 2016, 11:20:54 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 27, 2016, 04:41:57 PM
The suspicious package at Trump Tower has been identified as a tax return and has now been destroyed,” wrote Jeremy Price. ‏

Interesting point though. Trump DID CLEARLY promise to release his tax returns after the election.

Do you think he will actually do it?

I'm betting no.

I'm betting Trump supporters like myself and others don't care. And you? You care more about Trump's tax returns than you do about unfettered muslim immigration.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 28, 2016, 07:42:09 PM

Trump announces 8,000 more jobs for American workers

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/28/trump-announces-8000-more-jobs-for-american-workers.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on December 28, 2016, 08:07:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 28, 2016, 11:20:54 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 27, 2016, 04:41:57 PM
The suspicious package at Trump Tower has been identified as a tax return and has now been destroyed,” wrote Jeremy Price. ‏

Interesting point though. Trump DID CLEARLY promise to release his tax returns after the election.

Do you think he will actually do it?

I'm betting no.

Shakespeare with his losses carried forward and depression on Real estate I doubt he pays any taxes.

I know do not care what is tax returns are. I just want the USA to be a better place to work and live. If he can do that I do not care if he never paid any taxes or not.

I guest you are pissed off Hilary did not win. What ever happens with Trump I think we are better off than we would been with the other side of the coin.

What no body seems to see is how much money Obama is wasting during his last days in the white house. It is truly a shame and is far more money than anybody would pay in Taxes. I doubt that Trump will do anything like that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Danchik on December 29, 2016, 03:37:31 AM

Americans need to realize (get over the fact) that all elected politicians make promises they will not, or even cannot keep (seems kinda obvious, well, until you talk to Americans). Their job is to get elected.

I agree with Tex that the vast majority of people just want to the US to be a better place to live and see it moving in a positive direction. Count me as another who couldn't care less about Trump's tax return. The tax system is set up for rich people to pay less; is this a big secret? I have a much bigger problem with multinational companies paying squat in taxes.

As far as I'm concerned, Obama can't leave soon enough.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on December 29, 2016, 04:35:18 AM

Quote from: Danchik on December 29, 2016, 03:37:31 AM

Americans need to realize (get over the fact) that all elected politicians make promises they will not, or even cannot keep (seems kinda obvious, well, until you talk to Americans). Their job is to get elected.

I agree with Tex that the vast majority of people just want to the US to be a better place to live and see it moving in a positive direction. Count me as another who couldn't care less about Trump's tax return. The tax system is set up for rich people to pay less; is this a big secret? I have a much bigger problem with multinational companies paying squat in taxes.

As far as I'm concerned, Obama can't leave soon enough.

Agree...
However, he seems to be determined to screw Russia as much as he possibly can before he goes, leaving a hell of a mess for Trump to clean up...
Its well known as "Spitting the dummy out".... The arsehole... ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 29, 2016, 04:36:30 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on December 28, 2016, 08:07:18 PM

What ever happens with Trump I think we are better off than we would been with the other side of the coin.

Is this ever the truth. :thumbsup:

My hope and I tend to doubt that it will happen is that the federal deficit goes down under Trump. Oddly enough Trump never spoke in any detail during the election about this issue or auditing the Fed bank.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on December 29, 2016, 04:40:55 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 29, 2016, 04:36:30 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on December 28, 2016, 08:07:18 PM
What ever happens with Trump I think we are better off than we would been with the other side of the coin.

Is this ever the truth. :thumbsup:

My hope and I tend to doubt that it will happen is that the federal deficit goes down under Trump. Oddly enough Trump never spoke in any detail during the election about this issue or auditing the Fed bank.

Trump should dump the Fed completely...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 29, 2016, 11:54:42 AM

Meanwhile those on the left have committed at least 17 fake "hate crimes" since the election of Trump.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/hate-hoax-epidemic-least-17-faked-trump-hate-crimes-reported-since-november-election/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 29, 2016, 02:02:53 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on December 29, 2016, 04:35:18 AM

Quote from: Danchik on December 29, 2016, 03:37:31 AM
Americans need to realize (get over the fact) that all elected politicians make promises they will not, or even cannot keep (seems kinda obvious, well, until you talk to Americans). Their job is to get elected.

I agree with Tex that the vast majority of people just want to the US to be a better place to live and see it moving in a positive direction. Count me as another who couldn't care less about Trump's tax return. The tax system is set up for rich people to pay less; is this a big secret? I have a much bigger problem with multinational companies paying squat in taxes.

As far as I'm concerned, Obama can't leave soon enough.

Agree...
However, he seems to be determined to screw Russia as much as he possibly can before he goes, leaving a hell of a mess for Trump to clean up...
Its well known as "Spitting the dummy out".... The arsehole... ;D

Hopefully Putin and Russia will ignore this last attempt by Hussein O. to upset relations.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-idUSKBN14H1SR

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 29, 2016, 02:11:44 PM

But they are certainly aware of it and like us waiting for the end of this fool's reign.

https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/814564127230271489

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 30, 2016, 07:51:36 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 28, 2016, 06:39:33 PM

I'm betting Trump supporters like myself and others don't care. And you? You care more about Trump's tax returns than you do about unfettered muslim immigration.

I care about a President who keeps his promises. I have no doubt that his tax returns will show that he legally didn't pay much or any taxes. But he clearly promised to release them after the election. Will he be a man of his word or will that be a lie?

You are an idiot. I'm clearly for the restrictions and vetting of Muslim immigrants into the USA. I'm clearly for the death and elimination of all radical Islamic terrorists whatever country may harbor them. Unlike you, I'm not willing to paint all people of the Islamic faith with the same broad paintbrush.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 30, 2016, 07:59:44 AM

Quote from: shakespear on December 30, 2016, 07:51:36 AM

I care about a President who keeps his promises. I have no doubt that his tax returns will show that he legally didn't pay much or any taxes. But he clearly promised to release them after the election. Will he be a man of his word or will that be a lie?

You are an idiot. I'm clearly for the restrictions and vetting of Muslim immigrants into the USA. I'm clearly for the death and elimination of all radical Islamic terrorists whatever country may harbor them. Unlike you, I'm not willing to paint all people of the Islamic faith with the same broad paintbrush.

At best I was a tepid supporter of Trump once he won the nomination. I am very much in line with the Bard in the above with a distinction; that not matter what banner, faith or political flavour you are, extremism and terrorism is not acceptable. And with out doubt you are very extreme in your blind alliance to Trump.

Time will tell if your trust and that of Americans is once more betrayed by a politician.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 30, 2016, 10:07:39 AM

Quote from: shakespear on December 30, 2016, 07:51:36 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 28, 2016, 06:39:33 PM
I'm betting Trump supporters like myself and others don't care. And you? You care more about Trump's tax returns than you do about unfettered muslim immigration.

I care about a President who keeps his promises. I have no doubt that his tax returns will show that he legally didn't pay much or any taxes. But he clearly promised to release them after the election. Will he be a man of his word or will that be a lie?

You are an idiot. I'm clearly for the restrictions and vetting of Muslim immigrants into the USA. I'm clearly for the death and elimination of all radical Islamic terrorists whatever country may harbor them. Unlike you, I'm not willing to paint all people of the Islamic faith with the same broad paintbrush.

Trump will release his taxes in due time. History will show that the idiots of this time period were those willing to put the security of our country at risk for delusional purposes.

http://www.patdollard.com/harvard-launches-sharia-law-fellowships-to-influence-u-s-law-domestic-policy/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on December 30, 2016, 12:29:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 30, 2016, 07:51:36 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 28, 2016, 06:39:33 PM
I'm betting Trump supporters like myself and others don't care. And you? You care more about Trump's tax returns than you do about unfettered muslim immigration.

I care about a President who keeps his promises. I have no doubt that his tax returns will show that he legally didn't pay much or any taxes. But he clearly promised to release them after the election. Will he be a man of his word or will that be a lie?

You are an idiot. I'm clearly for the restrictions and vetting of Muslim immigrants into the USA. I'm clearly for the death and elimination of all /whatever country may harbor them. Unlike you, I'm not willing to paint all people of the Islamic faith with the same broad paintbrush.

It is my understanding that he said he would release them as soon as the audit is finished.

With regards to radical Islamic terrorists, how do you tell the difference?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 30, 2016, 01:02:31 PM

Quote from: yankee on December 30, 2016, 12:29:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 30, 2016, 07:51:36 AM
Quote from: Confederate on December 28, 2016, 06:39:33 PM
I'm betting Trump supporters like myself and others don't care. And you? You care more about Trump's tax returns than you do about unfettered muslim immigration.

I care about a President who keeps his promises. I have no doubt that his tax returns will show that he legally didn't pay much or any taxes. But he clearly promised to release them after the election. Will he be a man of his word or will that be a lie?

You are an idiot. I'm clearly for the restrictions and vetting of Muslim immigrants into the USA. I'm clearly for the death and elimination of all /whatever country may harbor them. Unlike you, I'm not willing to paint all people of the Islamic faith with the same broad paintbrush.

It is my understanding that he said he would release them as soon as the audit is finished.

With regards to radical Islamic terrorists, how do you tell the difference?

Western Europe is already destroyed by Islam. France and Sweden in particular are in very bad shape with Germany close. Muslim apologists like Shakespeare won't be happy until the USA also looks like a battleground. We're probably getting close.

https://twitter.com/V_of_Europe/status/814784283369992192

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 30, 2016, 01:48:26 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 30, 2016, 07:51:36 AM

I care about a President who keeps his promises. I have no doubt that his tax returns will show that he legally didn't pay much or any taxes. But he clearly promised to release them after the election. Will he be a man of his word or will that be a lie?

Trump didn't say any such thing.

Trump said that he would release them when the tax audit(s)
are completed. Whether he will or not (I doubt he will) is yet
to be seen.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 30, 2016, 05:13:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 30, 2016, 07:51:36 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 28, 2016, 06:39:33 PM
I'm betting Trump supporters like myself and others don't care. And you? You care more about Trump's tax returns than you do about unfettered muslim immigration.

You are an idiot.

I think I should go back and post a few of your better pronouncements about Trump. :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C04sabQWgAE7S_R.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 30, 2016, 05:18:04 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 30, 2016, 07:51:36 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 28, 2016, 06:39:33 PM
I'm betting Trump supporters like myself and others don't care. And you? You care more about Trump's tax returns than you do about unfettered muslim immigration.

You are an idiot.

I think I should go back and post a few of your better pronouncements about Trump.
But this one will suffice for now. :laugh:

Quote from: shakespear on June 18, 2015, 01:27:50 PM

Quote from: Boris on June 18, 2015, 12:10:56 PM
No chance...

No shit.

The guy is an ass clown.

He doesn't really want to be President.

He's just doing this to feed his gigantic ego.

He hasn't formed state committees or taken the first step to be on the primary ballot in any state. He's missed ballot deadlines for 2 of the first 5 states to have primaries so it is impossible for him to be on the ballot there.

His message resonates with frustrated conservative simpletons and idiots who have no idea how government actually works. All of the things he promised to accomplish as President; that office has absolutely zero power or constitutional authority to institute.

Make Mexico pay for "the wall" with stiff import tariffs? Bwhahahahahaha. Everyone go research the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 and see what the results of implementing strong tariffs on foreign imports have on an already struggling economy.

Last poll results that I read show that 60% of Republicans would NEVER actually vote for Trump as President.

To include him in the upcoming August debate would be a travesty because it would exclude an actually valid candidate from the process for the sake of allowing him to stroke his humongous ego.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C04sabQWgAE7S_R.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 31, 2016, 03:22:59 PM

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2ztiyc0.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 31, 2016, 04:17:55 PM

Quote from: Maxx on December 31, 2016, 03:22:59 PM

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2ztiyc0.png)

Lost so bad they just don't know what to do... :ROFL: (that would be you, Shakespeare)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 31, 2016, 06:09:28 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1CmiTqUsAAHAmW.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 01, 2017, 03:11:27 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 31, 2016, 04:17:55 PM

Lost so bad they just don't know what to do... :ROFL: (that would be you, Shakespeare)

I'm perfectly happy with him as President.

You seem to forget I voted for the guy . . . . . . . .

:'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 01, 2017, 08:21:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 01, 2017, 03:11:27 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 31, 2016, 04:17:55 PM
Lost so bad they just don't know what to do... :ROFL: (that would be you, Shakespeare)

I'm perfectly happy with him as President.

You seem to forget I voted for the guy . . . . . . . .

:'(

For those familiar with the Cecil B DeMille film (1956), 'The Ten Commandments." You remind me of the Edgar G Robinson character mocking Mose's efforts to get God's people out of Egypt and into the promise land.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 02, 2017, 11:36:33 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 01, 2017, 03:11:27 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 31, 2016, 04:17:55 PM
Lost so bad they just don't know what to do... :ROFL: (that would be you, Shakespeare)

I'm perfectly happy with him as President.

You seem to forget I voted for the guy . . . . . . . .

:'(

Yes, so you say you voted for him. The "perfectly happy with him as President" part is not in agreement with your overall attitude towards Trump expressed in the past. I agree with Maxx's assessment.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 02, 2017, 01:12:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 02, 2017, 11:36:33 AM

Yes, so you say you voted for him. The "perfectly happy with him as President" part is not in agreement with your overall attitude towards Trump expressed in the past. I agree with Maxx's assessment.

My problem isn't with Trump or any of his proposed policies or appointments. It's with your undeniable prejudice towards all Muslims.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 02, 2017, 02:31:24 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 02, 2017, 01:12:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 02, 2017, 11:36:33 AM
Yes, so you say you voted for him. The "perfectly happy with him as President" part is not in agreement with your overall attitude towards Trump expressed in the past. I agree with Maxx's assessment.

My problem isn't with Trump or any of his proposed policies or appointments. It's with your undeniable prejudice towards all Muslims.

And you have the nerve to call somebody else an idiot. I've already answered to your attempts to slander me up thread. I also just posted an article you should read in the other thread.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 02, 2017, 03:19:55 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 02, 2017, 01:12:43 PM

prejudice towards all Muslims.

Does the European news reach Ohio? Did you notice they are raping and bombing and shooting their way across mainland europe now?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 02, 2017, 07:06:02 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 02, 2017, 03:19:55 PM

Does the European news reach Ohio? Did you notice they are raping and bombing and shooting their way across mainland europe now?

All 1.59 billion of them?

Or just the radical terrorist ones?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 02, 2017, 07:28:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 02, 2017, 01:12:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 02, 2017, 11:36:33 AM
Yes, so you say you voted for him. The "perfectly happy with him as President" part is not in agreement with your overall attitude towards Trump expressed in the past. I agree with Maxx's assessment.

My problem isn't with Trump or any of his proposed policies or appointments. It's with your undeniable prejudice towards all Muslims.

Do you have a problem with all Muslims living in the USA being required to swear a new oath of allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America?

Do you have a problem with all Muslims who wish to stay here being required to denounce Sharia law?

Clearly if they give an honest oath of allegiance to the USA, they would have no problem denouncing Sharia law. But they do. The values and beliefs inherent in their culture and religion makes them incompatible with the West.

I want a total and permanent ban on future muslim immigration and I want those here to denounce sharia.

Your claim that I have "undeniable prejudice towards all muslims" is false, but it is in fact a moot point. Our governmental policies cannot afford to be based on virtue signaling, they can only be based on rational laws to keep our homeland safe today, tomorrow and fifty years from now.

Your desire for feelz and your desire for virtue signals show that you are part of the problem.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 02, 2017, 07:34:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 02, 2017, 07:06:02 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 02, 2017, 03:19:55 PM
Does the European news reach Ohio? Did you notice they are raping and bombing and shooting their way across mainland europe now?

All 1.59 billion of them?

Or just the radical terrorist ones?

Desperate times call for desperate measures. In order to eliminate the "radical terrorist ones" all those here should be interviewed by the FBI and should face internment, similar to what Japanese-Americans faced during WWII.

You would be surprised how quickly the "moderate" but silent muslims would suddenly tell who are the bad ones in their midst, if they faced property seizure, internment and expulsion from the USA.

Anything less than above is only appeasement and an ongoing civil war which will never end; but with the unique situation where Islam is clearly at war with us, but we are "fighting" back with both hands tied behind our backs.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 02, 2017, 10:30:27 PM

Sean Hannity just interviewed Jullian Assange and Assange has stated, again, that the source of the leak was NOT Russia, it was a DNC insider. I really hope this will put this nonsense to bed!!

Does this mean that the Russians did not engage in some sort of cyber manipulation? No, most nations do. Did it affect our election? Absolutely not. End of story. Full stop. Period.

Title: 'Muslims' - AGAIN ?!
Post by: msmoby on January 02, 2017, 11:26:09 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 02, 2017, 03:19:55 PM

Does the European news reach Ohio? Did you notice they are raping and bombing and shooting their way across mainland europe now?

Quote from: shakespear on January 02, 2017, 07:06:02 PM

All 1.59 billion of them?

Or just the radical terrorist ones?

Quote from: Confederate on January 02, 2017, 07:34:52 PM

Desperate times call for desperate measures. In order to eliminate the "radical terrorist ones" all those here should be interviewed by the FBI and should face internment, similar to what Japanese-Americans faced during WWII.

You would be surprised how quickly the "moderate" but silent muslims would suddenly tell who are the bad ones in their midst, if they faced property seizure, internment and expulsion from the USA.

Anything less than above is only appeasement and an ongoing civil war which will never end; but with the unique situation where Islam is clearly at war with us, but we are "fighting" back with both hands tied behind our backs.

We need to thank any God(s) one might believe in that folks like you are not in power - well until 'Tramp' gets the football....

I've experienced tactics like you suggest ..'desperate measures' ... Internment without trial, Being questioned because of one's faith or ancestry .. It blew up - BIG TIME - in the face of those trying to stop violence in N.Ireland and even the mainland of the UK.

'Wise up', fella - 'they' - the REAL bad guys WANT you to behave in this way - it'd be a massive recruiting campaign own goal....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 03, 2017, 12:03:39 AM

Russia get hacked.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/payback-russia-gets-hacked-revealing-putin-aide-s-secrets-n673956

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 03, 2017, 07:30:51 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 02, 2017, 07:34:52 PM

Desperate times call for desperate measures. In order to eliminate the "radical terrorist ones" all those here should be interviewed by the FBI and should face internment, similar to what Japanese-Americans faced during WWII.

You would be surprised how quickly the "moderate" but silent muslims would suddenly tell who are the bad ones in their midst, if they faced property seizure, internment and expulsion from the USA.

Anything less than above is only appeasement and an ongoing civil war which will never end; but with the unique situation where Islam is clearly at war with us, but we are "fighting" back with both hands tied behind our backs.

Let me get this straight . . . . . . . . .

You're advocating for a REPEAT of perhaps the greatest travesty in the history of the US government? A policy in which 120,000 residents of Japanese descent (65% citizens) were stripped of their Constitutional rights, their property seized and then put in prison camps simply because they were of Japanese ancestry? Forget Habreas Corpus, forget the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution?

Damn, you really are a racist . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 03, 2017, 07:39:55 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on January 03, 2017, 12:03:39 AM

Russia get hacked.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/payback-russia-gets-hacked-revealing-putin-aide-s-secrets-n673956

Its been all over the news already

It happened in September last year, and although some of the e-mails were a little revealing, nothing of real substance was found....

The "so called" Ukrainian hackers were later identified as Ukrainian and US (Ukrainian based in Kiev) secret services..

Exactly why NBC are reporting it now is probably a better question...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 03, 2017, 07:44:15 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 03, 2017, 07:30:51 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 02, 2017, 07:34:52 PM
Desperate times call for desperate measures. In order to eliminate the "radical terrorist ones" all those here should be interviewed by the FBI and should face internment, similar to what Japanese-Americans faced during WWII.

You would be surprised how quickly the "moderate" but silent muslims would suddenly tell who are the bad ones in their midst, if they faced property seizure, internment and expulsion from the USA.

Anything less than above is only appeasement and an ongoing civil war which will never end; but with the unique situation where Islam is clearly at war with us, but we are "fighting" back with both hands tied behind our backs.

Let me get this straight . . . . . . . . .

You're advocating for a REPEAT of perhaps the greatest travesty in the history of the US government? A policy in which 120,000 residents of Japanese descent (65% citizens) were stripped of their Constitutional rights, their property seized and then put in prison camps simply because they were of Japanese ancestry? Forget Habreas Corpus, forget the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution?

Damn, you really are a racist . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

One cannot kill weeds in the garden by removing all what one can see above ground, one has to also dig out ALL the roots etc..

Its the same with ISIS Terrorists, not only get the ones that are visible, but also eradicate their families who are breeding more terrorists..
Also there is a need to get those preaching such radical hate speeches, no matter which country they live in..
Not arrest, try, and imprison them, this all costs money, best just shoot the feckers, job done...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 03, 2017, 07:49:26 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 02, 2017, 07:34:52 PM

Desperate times call for desperate measures. In order to eliminate the "radical terrorist ones" all those here should be interviewed by the FBI and should face internment, similar to what Japanese-Americans faced during WWII.

You would be surprised how quickly the "moderate" but silent muslims would suddenly tell who are the bad ones in their midst, if they faced property seizure, internment and expulsion from the USA.

Anything less than above is only appeasement and an ongoing civil war which will never end; but with the unique situation where Islam is clearly at war with us, but we are "fighting" back with both hands tied behind our backs.

Quote from: Gipsy on January 03, 2017, 07:44:15 AM

One cannot kill weeds in the garden by removing all what one can see above ground, one has to also dig out ALL the roots etc..

Its the same with ISIS Terrorists, not only get the ones that are visible, but also eradicate their families who are breeding more terrorists..
Also there is a need to get those preaching such radical hate speeches, no matter which country they live in..
Not arrest, try, and imprison them, this all costs money, best just shoot the feckers, job done...

Andrew sometimes jives me about being pissed and posting and I ask him about his colouring books.

But seriously Confederate are you serious? I mean if you are drunk you have an ugly soul. If you are sober perhaps a visit to church to ask for forgiveness for your hatred.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 11:59:34 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 03, 2017, 07:30:51 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 02, 2017, 07:34:52 PM
Desperate times call for desperate measures. In order to eliminate the "radical terrorist ones" all those here should be interviewed by the FBI and should face internment, similar to what Japanese-Americans faced during WWII.

You would be surprised how quickly the "moderate" but silent muslims would suddenly tell who are the bad ones in their midst, if they faced property seizure, internment and expulsion from the USA.

Anything less than above is only appeasement and an ongoing civil war which will never end; but with the unique situation where Islam is clearly at war with us, but we are "fighting" back with both hands tied behind our backs.

Let me get this straight . . . . . . . . .

You're advocating for a REPEAT of perhaps the greatest travesty in the history of the US government? A policy in which 120,000 residents of Japanese descent (65% citizens) were stripped of their Constitutional rights, their property seized and then put in prison camps simply because they were of Japanese ancestry? Forget Habreas Corpus, forget the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution?

Damn, you really are a racist . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

At the very least I'm advocating that Trump threaten to do this very thing, with his twitter. :ROFL: :ROFL:

In all seriousness, if Muslims in the USA refuse to denounce Sharia I believe they should be stripped of citizenship and expelled from the USA. Do you have a better plan?

And no Mr. Av I am not "drunk posting" nor is my soul dark. I believe protecting our homeland and protecting law-abiding citizens takes precedence over protecting the butt-hurt feelings of some liberals and a RINO like Shakespeare.

And BTW, your false claim of "racism" could only be true if you assert that ALL Muslims are terrorists. Is this what you are asserting Shakespeare? Don't confuse laws which demand loyalty to a country as being "racist".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 12:06:26 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 03, 2017, 07:44:15 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 03, 2017, 07:30:51 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 02, 2017, 07:34:52 PM
Desperate times call for desperate measures. In order to eliminate the "radical terrorist ones" all those here should be interviewed by the FBI and should face internment, similar to what Japanese-Americans faced during WWII.

You would be surprised how quickly the "moderate" but silent muslims would suddenly tell who are the bad ones in their midst, if they faced property seizure, internment and expulsion from the USA.

Anything less than above is only appeasement and an ongoing civil war which will never end; but with the unique situation where Islam is clearly at war with us, but we are "fighting" back with both hands tied behind our backs.

Let me get this straight . . . . . . . . .

You're advocating for a REPEAT of perhaps the greatest travesty in the history of the US government? A policy in which 120,000 residents of Japanese descent (65% citizens) were stripped of their Constitutional rights, their property seized and then put in prison camps simply because they were of Japanese ancestry? Forget Habreas Corpus, forget the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution?

Damn, you really are a racist . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

One cannot kill weeds in the garden by removing all what one can see above ground, one has to also dig out ALL the roots etc..

Its the same with ISIS Terrorists, not only get the ones that are visible, but also eradicate their families who are breeding more terrorists..
Also there is a need to get those preaching such radical hate speeches, no matter which country they live in..
Not arrest, try, and imprison them, this all costs money, best just shoot the feckers, job done...

This is where you and I disagree. We cannot "just shoot the feckers" unless they are in the act of committing violence and refuse to lay down their arms.

It takes time but if they refuse to denounce Sharia then they should be legally stripped of citizenship and deported. Clearly they would need to be detained during their hearing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 03, 2017, 12:16:54 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 11:59:34 AM

And BTW, your false claim of "racism" could only be true if you assert that ALL Muslims are terrorists. Is this what you are asserting Shakespeare? Don't confuse laws which demand loyalty to a country as being "racist".

But you did say this . . . . . . .

"I am saying that Islam is nothing but a political death cult, very similar to Naziism."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 12:24:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 03, 2017, 12:16:54 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 11:59:34 AM
And BTW, your false claim of "racism" could only be true if you assert that ALL Muslims are terrorists. Is this what you are asserting Shakespeare? Don't confuse laws which demand loyalty to a country as being "racist".

But you did say this . . . . . . .

"I am saying that Islam is nothing but a political death cult, very similar to Naziism."

In regards to those who are fanatical about it; yes that is a very good description.

If you had watched the video of the Muslim lady who critiqued a Muslim whining about "moderates" you would recall that she stated during WWII most Germans were actually not Nazi's yet the Nazi's caused all of the death and destruction.

I'm fairly certain that a large percentage of US citizens of Muslim faith would be willing to denounce Sharia and swear an oath to the US Constitution, because as you say they are not the radical ones. Those refusing could clearly be classified as being unwilling to assimilate into American society.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 03, 2017, 12:43:33 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 03, 2017, 07:30:51 AM

Let me get this straight . . . . . . . . .

You're advocating for a REPEAT of perhaps the greatest travesty in the history of the US government? A policy in which 120,000 residents of Japanese descent (65% citizens) were stripped of their Constitutional rights, their property seized and then put in prison camps simply because they were of Japanese ancestry? Forget Habreas Corpus, forget the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution?

I would put it in the top ten travesties, behind slavery, the civil war, Jim Crow,
exterminating the Indians and a few other things. However, I would stop 100%
of the immigration from countries with terrorism ties until a nearly fool proof
vetting system was in place.

Jeb lost, Kasich lost, political correctness lost. Elections have consequences and
doing stupid things for appearance sake has been hopefully tossed out with
Hillary's loss.

We can get all the immigrants we ever need from the two American continents
without needing to reach out to Africa or Sandland. Therefore we should make
sure we only accept the best, the brightest and ones that want to contribute.

That's my opinion

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 03, 2017, 12:54:07 PM

Quote from: Popka! on January 03, 2017, 12:43:33 PM

I would put it in the top ten travesties, behind slavery, the civil war, Jim Crow,
exterminating the Indians and a few other things.

Tell that to the veterans of the 442nd Regiment.

For those of you that don't know US history, the 442nd Infantry regiment was an all Japanese unit that served in WWII against the Germans in Italy, Southern France and Germany. The 442nd Regiment was the most decorated unit for its size and length of service in the history of American warfare. The 4,000 men who initially made up the unit in April 1943 had to be replaced nearly 2.5 times. In total, about 14,000 men served, earning 9,486 Purple Hearts. The unit was awarded eight Presidential Unit Citations (five earned in one month). Twenty-one of its members were awarded Medals of Honor. Its motto was "Go for Broke".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 03, 2017, 12:58:50 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 12:24:32 PM

I'm fairly certain that a large percentage of US citizens of Muslim faith would be willing to denounce Sharia and swear an oath to the US Constitution, because as you say they are not the radical ones. Those refusing could clearly be classified as being unwilling to assimilate into American society.

Wouldn't that be an easy solution.

Oh wait a minute. One small little problem. There's that pesky Constitution again . . . . . . . . .

Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

But I like your idea. After we're done telling the Muslims how they can practice their faith, we can legislate communion out of the Catholic mass service next. Or maybe make it illegal to have a full mass at a wedding. I always hated that . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 01:24:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 03, 2017, 12:54:07 PM

Quote from: Popka! on January 03, 2017, 12:43:33 PM
I would put it in the top ten travesties, behind slavery, the civil war, Jim Crow,
exterminating the Indians and a few other things.

Tell that to the veterans of the 442nd Regiment.

For those of you that don't know US history, the 442nd Infantry regiment was an all Japanese unit that served in WWII against the Germans in Italy, Southern France and Germany. The 442nd Regiment was the most decorated unit for its size and length of service in the history of American warfare. The 4,000 men who initially made up the unit in April 1943 had to be replaced nearly 2.5 times. In total, about 14,000 men served, earning 9,486 Purple Hearts. The unit was awarded eight Presidential Unit Citations (five earned in one month). Twenty-one of its members were awarded Medals of Honor. Its motto was "Go for Broke".

God I love this comparison! You played right into my lap, just like I knew you would. How long has the "War on Terror" been going on? Let's say 15 to 20 years. Can you please name me one unit in the US military with 4,000 Muslims who volunteered to go to war in the Middle East or elsewhere, to fight alongside American and British units in the "War on Terror"

Oh that's right, you can't. You can't because they won't. No matter how evil the radicals in their midst are, the muslims will not take up arms against their own kind, and guys like you enable them to continue to pretend to be "moderates". You and all the other bleeding heart liberals enable terrorism.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 01:29:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 03, 2017, 12:58:50 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 12:24:32 PM
I'm fairly certain that a large percentage of US citizens of Muslim faith would be willing to denounce Sharia and swear an oath to the US Constitution, because as you say they are not the radical ones. Those refusing could clearly be classified as being unwilling to assimilate into American society.

Wouldn't that be an easy solution.

Oh wait a minute. One small little problem. There's that pesky Constitution again . . . . . . . . .

Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

But I like your idea. After we're done telling the Muslims how they can practice their faith, we can legislate communion out of the Catholic mass service next. Or maybe make it illegal to have a full mass at a wedding. I always hated that . . . . .

Good college try. In small ways the writer of this agrees with; in others not so much.

http://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1495&context=honors

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 03, 2017, 01:41:28 PM

A while back I quoted this from 'A Man for all Seasons' and it seems it is again worth pointing out to those who can not see the reality of there hatred and bigotry.

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 01:41:48 PM

This article is perhaps better in that it is very concise.

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/upload/wysiwyg/article%20pdfs/Shariah_VS_Constitution.pdf

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 01:45:06 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 03, 2017, 01:41:28 PM

A while back I quoted this from 'A Man for all Seasons' and it seems it is again worth pointing out to those who can not see the reality of there hatred and bigotry.

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!

Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?

William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!

Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let us know when you take at least 2 or 3 male Muslim "refugee's" from Syria of military age into your home and pay for their food and other upkeep.

Because if you personally won't do that, don't expect the American taxpayer and other Western nations to do the same.

Title: Re: 'Muslims' - AGAIN ?!
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 01:50:55 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 02, 2017, 11:26:09 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 02, 2017, 03:19:55 PM
Does the European news reach Ohio? Did you notice they are raping and bombing and shooting their way across mainland europe now?

Quote from: shakespear on January 02, 2017, 07:06:02 PM
All 1.59 billion of them?

Or just the radical terrorist ones?

Quote from: Confederate on January 02, 2017, 07:34:52 PM
Desperate times call for desperate measures. In order to eliminate the "radical terrorist ones" all those here should be interviewed by the FBI and should face internment, similar to what Japanese-Americans faced during WWII.

You would be surprised how quickly the "moderate" but silent muslims would suddenly tell who are the bad ones in their midst, if they faced property seizure, internment and expulsion from the USA.

Anything less than above is only appeasement and an ongoing civil war which will never end; but with the unique situation where Islam is clearly at war with us, but we are "fighting" back with both hands tied behind our backs.

We need to thank any God(s) one might believe in that folks like you are not in power - well until 'Tramp' gets the football....

I've experienced tactics like you suggest ..'desperate measures' ... Internment without trial, Being questioned because of one's faith or ancestry .. It blew up - BIG TIME - in the face of those trying to stop violence in N.Ireland and even the mainland of the UK.

'Wise up', fella - 'they' - the REAL bad guys WANT you to behave in this way - it'd be a massive recruiting campaign own goal....

Good to know! So now we know why you're so sympathetic to terrorists. You were a punter for the IRA, weren't you?!!

Too bad the British Army did not take you out while they had the chance; we wouldn't need to read your nonsense. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 03, 2017, 01:54:27 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 01:45:06 PM

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let us know when you take at least 2 or 3 male Muslim "refugee's" from Syria of military age into your home and pay for their food and other upkeep.

Because if you personally won't do that, don't expect the American taxpayer and other Western nations to do the same.

Nice dodge, but it is a fail.

I can easily understand why some will not engage in a discussion with you. But please continue to prove your ignorance. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 02:03:38 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 03, 2017, 01:54:27 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 01:45:06 PM
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Let us know when you take at least 2 or 3 male Muslim "refugee's" from Syria of military age into your home and pay for their food and other upkeep.

Because if you personally won't do that, don't expect the American taxpayer and other Western nations to do the same.

Nice dodge, but it is a fail.

I can easily understand why some will not engage in a discussion with you. But please continue to prove your ignorance. :popcorn:

No dodge and no fail. It's you who is dodging. You expect France, Germany and Sweden and now possibly the USA to not only accept those who wish to destroy us, but to pay for their upkeep as well.

One very simply solution is to cut off all food stamps. all housing assistance, etc. provided by the American taxpayer for these louts.

Now answer the question: why should we pay to import and feed and house potential terrorists, when bleeding heart liberals like you won't foot the bill and provide real housing in their empty rooms?

I'm waiting. No doubt you'll come up with some other deflections. Talk about ignorance. :fighting0025:

When my ancestors (and presumably yours) came to the USA, there were no handouts. Zero. They got housing with relatives and they got a job the next day or two.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 02:11:32 PM

Ford announces a new factory and 700 new jobs in Michigan. Another win for Trump and the American people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4084692/Ford-cancels-Mexico-factory-invests-Michigan-Trump-threatens-Chevy-big-border-tax.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 03, 2017, 02:15:23 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 02:11:32 PM

Ford announces a new factory and 700 new jobs in Michigan. Another win for Trump and the American people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4084692/Ford-cancels-Mexico-factory-invests-Michigan-Trump-threatens-Chevy-big-border-tax.html

Ford Cancels $1.6 Billion Mexico Plant After Trump Criticism

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/766549?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1703742_01032017&s=al&dkt_nbr=gfqmt3mc&section=Companies&keywords=ford-mexico-cancel-plant&year=2017&month=01&date=03&id=766549&aliaspath=%2fManage%2fArticles%2fTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 02:24:49 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 03, 2017, 02:15:23 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 02:11:32 PM
Ford announces a new factory and 700 new jobs in Michigan. Another win for Trump and the American people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4084692/Ford-cancels-Mexico-factory-invests-Michigan-Trump-threatens-Chevy-big-border-tax.html

Ford Cancels $1.6 Billion Mexico Plant After Trump Criticism

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/766549?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1703742_01032017&s=al&dkt_nbr=gfqmt3mc&section=Companies&keywords=ford-mexico-cancel-plant&year=2017&month=01&date=03&id=766549&aliaspath=%2fManage%2fArticles%2fTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Now let's see how Oblah blah and the left try to spin this. Trump is not even sworn in yet and he's done more for America than Hussein O. did in almost 8 years.

No matter how the left tries to spin it those of us with a bit of common sense can see that Trump is a winner who produces real results.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 03, 2017, 02:37:14 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 01:24:48 PM

God I love this comparison! You played right into my lap, just like I knew you would. How long has the "War on Terror" been going on? Let's say 15 to 20 years. Can you please name me one unit in the US military with 4,000 Muslims who volunteered to go to war in the Middle East or elsewhere, to fight alongside American and British units in the "War on Terror"

Oh that's right, you can't. You can't because they won't. No matter how evil the radicals in their midst are, the muslims will not take up arms against their own kind, and guys like you enable them to continue to pretend to be "moderates". You and all the other bleeding heart liberals enable terrorism.

Um ahem . . . . . . . .

There are 5896 Muslims serving on active duty in the US military today.

Tell that to the 10 Muslims who earned the Purple Heart (many posthumously in Iraq and/or Afganistan

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 03, 2017, 02:44:00 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 02:03:38 PM

No dodge and no fail. It's you who is dodging. You expect France, Germany and Sweden and now possibly the USA to not only accept those who wish to destroy us, but to pay for their upkeep as well.

One very simply solution is to cut off all food stamps. all housing assistance, etc. provided by the American taxpayer for these louts.

Now answer the question: why should we pay to import and feed and house potential terrorists, when bleeding heart liberals like you won't foot the bill and provide real housing in their empty rooms?

I'm waiting. No doubt you'll come up with some other deflections. Talk about ignorance. :fighting0025:

When my ancestors (and presumably yours) came to the USA, there were no handouts. Zero. They got housing with relatives and they got a job the next day or two.

You must a sucked at Dodge Ball.

First point to a post of mine where I say the United States should accept Muslim's without a through control and back ground check.

What happens in France or Germany does not concern me.

Further I never advocated any form of welfare.

But as I noted please continue making your self the forum clown.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 02:53:04 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 03, 2017, 02:44:00 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 02:03:38 PM

No dodge and no fail. It's you who is dodging. You expect France, Germany and Sweden and now possibly the USA to not only accept those who wish to destroy us, but to pay for their upkeep as well.

One very simply solution is to cut off all food stamps. all housing assistance, etc. provided by the American taxpayer for these louts.

Now answer the question: why should we pay to import and feed and house potential terrorists, when bleeding heart liberals like you won't foot the bill and provide real housing in their empty rooms?

I'm waiting. No doubt you'll come up with some other deflections. Talk about ignorance. :fighting0025:

When my ancestors (and presumably yours) came to the USA, there were no handouts. Zero. They got housing with relatives and they got a job the next day or two.

You must a sucked at Dodge Ball.

First point to a post of mine where I say the United States should accept Muslim's without a through control and back ground check.

What happens in France or Germany does not concern me.

Further I never advocated any form of welfare.

[Post edited by B.B. - personal attack removed.]

1. Tell us what background checks are going to work with 100% certainty for Muslims from Syria and other war-torn ME countries. You can't do it, because the FBI, DHS and others have admitted they cannot do it.

2. You then claim you don't advocate welfare, knowing fully that is precisely what they get. They get free housing, they get free food and they get free medical.

Were you aware that people already homeless, including homeless Veterans get passed up so that Hussein O. and liberals like you can continue to Eff America at all costs? I suspect you do.

[Post edited by B.B. - personal attack removed.]

And do let the forum know when you yourself will feed and house some military aged muslim males, since you expect the taxpayer to do it. Actions, not words.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 02:55:44 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 03, 2017, 02:37:14 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 01:24:48 PM

God I love this comparison! You played right into my lap, just like I knew you would. How long has the "War on Terror" been going on? Let's say 15 to 20 years. Can you please name me one unit in the US military with 4,000 Muslims who volunteered to go to war in the Middle East or elsewhere, to fight alongside American and British units in the "War on Terror"

Oh that's right, you can't. You can't because they won't. No matter how evil the radicals in their midst are, the muslims will not take up arms against their own kind, and guys like you enable them to continue to pretend to be "moderates". You and all the other bleeding heart liberals enable terrorism.

Um ahem . . . . . . . .

There are 5896 Muslims serving on active duty in the US military today.

Tell that to the 10 Muslims who earned the Purple Heart (many posthumously in Iraq and/or Afganistan

Show me the 100% all Muslim unit which compares to the all Japanese unit of WWII. I'm waiting. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 03, 2017, 03:01:05 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 02:53:04 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 03, 2017, 02:44:00 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 02:03:38 PM

No dodge and no fail. It's you who is dodging. You expect France, Germany and Sweden and now possibly the USA to not only accept those who wish to destroy us, but to pay for their upkeep as well.

One very simply solution is to cut off all food stamps. all housing assistance, etc. provided by the American taxpayer for these louts.

Now answer the question: why should we pay to import and feed and house potential terrorists, when bleeding heart liberals like you won't foot the bill and provide real housing in their empty rooms?

I'm waiting. No doubt you'll come up with some other deflections. Talk about ignorance. :fighting0025:

When my ancestors (and presumably yours) came to the USA, there were no handouts. Zero. They got housing with relatives and they got a job the next day or two.

You must a sucked at Dodge Ball.

First point to a post of mine where I say the United States should accept Muslim's without a through control and back ground check.

What happens in France or Germany does not concern me.

Further I never advocated any form of welfare.

[Post edited by B.B. - language deleted from original post removed.]

1. Tell us what background checks are going to work with 100% certainty for Muslims from Syria and other war-torn ME countries. You can't do it, because the FBI, DHS and others have admitted they cannot do it.

2. You then claim you don't advocate welfare, knowing fully that is precisely what they get. They get free housing, they get free food and they get free medical.

Were you aware that people already homeless, including homeless Veterans get passed up so that Hussein O. and liberals like you can continue to Eff America at all costs? I suspect you do.

[Post edited by B.B. - language deleted from original post removed.]

And do let the forum know when you yourself will feed and house some military aged muslim males, since you expect the taxpayer to do it. Actions, not words.

Actually on Thanksgiving our church fed a large community of people, some homeless veterans others Muslim's who came from war regions. Further together with my brother we have a small company, one employee has what was called Aspergers, another guy is Muslim and there is a Jehovah's Witness. The Muslim because it is heavy commute sometime bunks on a berth. So please take your blind hatred and naivety back to the rock that you crawled out from under.

I will assume you can not find a post of mine that advocates blind acceptance of anyone to The United States

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 03, 2017, 04:04:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 03, 2017, 12:54:07 PM

Quote from: Popka! on January 03, 2017, 12:43:33 PM
I would put it in the top ten travesties, behind slavery, the civil war, Jim Crow,
exterminating the Indians and a few other things.

Tell that to the veterans of the 442nd Regiment.

What has that got to do with the beet content of Ukrainian borscht vs
Siberian borscht? or the number of licks in a tootsie pop?
or the voting records of left handed naturalized Albanians?
or the effectiveness of Kmart lint brushes on chihuahua hair?

Your point is irrelevant to the fact that although the Japanese interment was a
terrible travesty, even one of the ten worst in US Government history it wasn't
number one.

The bravery exhibited by American citizens of Japanese decent in WW2 doesn't
make the two and a half years of Japanese internment more of a travesty than
the institution of Slavery.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 04:58:15 PM

I really have nothing to prove to muslim apologists. If it were possible though to bring them back to life 100 years from now and stand trial for the destruction of Western civilization which they are actively advocating for through their acts of appeasement I certainly would like to do that. I notice the Av character as usual could not answer to the facts put to him as to how he says one thing and does another.

I would like to see Shakespeare and Av rebut the fact that Sharia law is in direct opposition to the US Constitution. Shakespeare writes as if he has some legal experience. The one gent who clearly does is poster B/B and I wonder if he might comment on this article?

I believe it's very concise and shows clearly that anyone who will not denounce Sharia simply cannot call themselves or continue to be US Citizens.

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/upload/wysiwyg/article%20pdfs/Shariah_VS_Constitution.pdf

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 05:04:36 PM

Warning: more attempts to signal virtue, without any rational argument for allowing muslim immigrants.

Quote from: AvHdB on January 03, 2017, 03:01:05 PM

Actually on Thanksgiving our church fed a large community of people, some homeless veterans others Muslim's who came from war regions. Further together with my brother we have a small company, one employee has what was called Aspergers, another guy is Muslim and there is a Jehovah's Witness. The Muslim because it is heavy commute sometime bunks on a berth. So please take your blind hatred and naivety back to the rock that you crawled out from under.

I will assume you can not find a post of mine that advocates blind acceptance of anyone to The United States

Our hero then pronounces: "please take your blind hatred and naivety back to the rock that you crawled out from under".

I will remind the reader that this is what he supports. He's got some nerve to accuse others of "prejudice" and "naivety". And the statement about "crawling back under a rock"? Indeed.

Shariah: Under dhimmi laws enforced in modern Shariah states, Jews, Christians and other
non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims before the law. Under Shariah law, women, girls,
apostates, homosexuals and “blasphemers” are all denied equality under the law.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 05:21:36 PM

I think this poll shows clearly why Trump has said he will continue to tweet. If all you did was watch the MSM you could conclude that there is some sort of consensus that Russia hacked our election. Yet if you look at this poll it's clear that a lot of people do not agree with the media's version of events.

https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/816434236081184768

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 06:17:48 PM

LOL! I'm loving it. I'll never get tired of winning. That's the only thing Trump has ever been wrong about. :laugh:

https://twitter.com/V_of_Europe/status/816381720400461824

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 03, 2017, 09:14:13 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 04:58:15 PM

I would like to see Shakespeare and Av rebut the fact that Sharia law is in direct opposition to the US Constitution. Shakespeare writes as if he has some legal experience. The one gent who clearly does is poster B/B and I wonder if he might comment on this article?

Any political philosophy that wants to set up a theocracy is incompatible with the Constitution, and the Muzzies and their 7th Century superstitious bullshit certainly qualify.

The problem with your thinking however is....

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 04:58:15 PM

I believe it's very concise and shows clearly that anyone who will not denounce Sharia simply cannot call themselves or continue to be US Citizens.

Um, yeah, denunciations and loyalty oaths are so first half of the 20th Century. It's a problem.

The Constitution protects the right of people to have stupid, silly ideas, until those ideas rise to the level of sedition, terrorism, etc.

That said, what could be done is rein in immigration from sucky places full of morons with stupid ideas. As an example, I will use Somalia. Not content with f*cking up their own country beyond all recognition, we now see Somalis emigrating to the US because we are stupid enough (or rather our liberals are stupid enough) to let them. Plopping a bunch of Somalis and their retard religion down in the middle of Minnesota or Maine where the culture is completely alien to them is a Stupid.F*cking.Idea.

Somalis threaten to rape home owner in Lake Calhoun, Minnesota (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yz7hfPVC2s)

Somalis demand 'Halal' welfare (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxfkq6rKiRM), because evidently their neighbors are not providing for them in the manner that they wish. If one requires 'special' food then it might behoove one to work and provide for oneself.

Somalis threaten gay man (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JqSpmD7yMI)

Terrorist Group 'Al-Shabbab' recruit young Somalis in Minnesota (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ok9L3zCmnc)

Somali women guilty of supporting Al-Shabbab under the guise of soliciting charitable donations 'for the poor' (http://www.twincities.com/2015/08/25/minnesota-womens-al-shabab-fundraising-convictions-upheld-2/)

You don't invite cancer into your own house. Yet that's exactly what seems to be the case by resettling 3rd world Muslims whose religion and culture are hostile to western values into places where they don't belong.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2017, 09:58:48 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 03, 2017, 09:14:13 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 04:58:15 PM
I would like to see Shakespeare and Av rebut the fact that Sharia law is in direct opposition to the US Constitution. Shakespeare writes as if he has some legal experience. The one gent who clearly does is poster B/B and I wonder if he might comment on this article?

Any political philosophy that wants to set up a theocracy is incompatible with the Constitution, and the Muzzies and their 7th Century superstitious bullshit certainly qualify.

The problem with your thinking however is....

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 04:58:15 PM
I believe it's very concise and shows clearly that anyone who will not denounce Sharia simply cannot call themselves or continue to be US Citizens.

Um, yeah, denunciations and loyalty oaths are so first half of the 20th Century. It's a problem.

The Constitution protects the right of people to have stupid, silly ideas, until those ideas rise to the level of sedition, terrorism, etc.

That said, what could be done is rein in immigration from sucky places full of morons with stupid ideas. As an example, I will use Somalia. Not content with f*cking up their own country beyond all recognition, we now see Somalis emigrating to the US because we are stupid enough (or rather our liberals are stupid enough) to let them. Plopping a bunch of Somalis and their retard religion down in the middle of Minnesota or Maine where the culture is completely alien to them is a Stupid.F*cking.Idea.

Somalis threaten to rape home owner in Lake Calhoun, Minnesota (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Yz7hfPVC2s)

Somalis demand 'Halal' welfare (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxfkq6rKiRM), because evidently their neighbors are not providing for them in the manner that they wish. If one requires 'special' food then it might behoove one to work and provide for oneself.

Somalis threaten gay man (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JqSpmD7yMI)

Terrorist Group 'Al-Shabbab' recruit young Somalis in Minnesota (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ok9L3zCmnc)

Somali women guilty of supporting Al-Shabbab under the guise of soliciting charitable donations 'for the poor' (http://www.twincities.com/2015/08/25/minnesota-womens-al-shabab-fundraising-convictions-upheld-2/)

You don't invite cancer into your own house. Yet that's exactly what seems to be the case by resettling 3rd world Muslims whose religion and culture are hostile to western values into places where they don't belong.

B/B

Thanks for your answer and I agree 100% with you that inviting these type of people into our country is foolish at the least; and possibly fatal in the long run. You forgot to mention that the average Muslim has close to 8 children. Let that sink in.

I firmly believe the best answer is to have Islam declared not a religion, but a political cult. A cult which will not be allowed or tolerated to flourish in the USA. We simply have no other choice. The apologists are only delaying the medicine for the tumor.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on January 04, 2017, 12:13:24 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 02:11:32 PM

Ford announces a new factory and 700 new jobs in Michigan. Another win for Trump and the American people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4084692/Ford-cancels-Mexico-factory-invests-Michigan-Trump-threatens-Chevy-big-border-tax.html

Trump interferes with a corporations expansion and forces Ford to build in the USA. That's not capitalism Cornfed, that's socialism.
You elected a baffoon who goes bankrupt and he thinks he knows what's best for a highly successful vehicle manufacture?
If Donald Twitter keeps going like this he'll make government in the face of every company. Since you're so excited by this news you better put your hand on the bible and thank your God Trump is da man!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2017, 12:20:57 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on January 04, 2017, 12:13:24 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 02:11:32 PM
Ford announces a new factory and 700 new jobs in Michigan. Another win for Trump and the American people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4084692/Ford-cancels-Mexico-factory-invests-Michigan-Trump-threatens-Chevy-big-border-tax.html

Trump interferes with a corporations expansion and forces Ford to build in the USA. That's not capitalism Cornfed, that's socialism.
You elected a baffoon who goes bankrupt and he thinks he knows what's best for a highly successful vehicle manufacture?
If Donald Twitter keeps going like this he'll make government in the face of every company. Since you're so excited by this news you better put your hand on the bible and thank your God Trump is da man!

You're such a small minded lefty parrot. I suggest you actually do just a wee bit of research. Watch the press conference by the Ford CEO. The number one reason he gives is that there will be a "more favorable business environment in the USA under Trump". Meaning fewer of the awful regulations which are job killers which the Dummocraps imposed the past 8 years. Ford is still building a plant in Mexico for smaller vehicles. Once again you shoot from the hip without any facts. :Zzzzsleep:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on January 04, 2017, 12:36:15 AM

A 35% Tarrif by your hero is the reason. It's quite amusing how you praise D.Twitter and just ignore what doesnt suit your twisted reality.
I toss you facts and around on the rodent exercise wheel we go. Like it or not, D.Twit is crushing your capitalism by threatened to change their business practices. Now think and read up before returning.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 04, 2017, 05:04:28 AM

Maybe you missed the Tweet Don, it's called "Making America Great Again", and it involves repatriating jobs from Mexico and making that happen by whatever means. Trump pulled a masterstroke there, and Ford complied. The CEO said what any CEO would say having read the memo.

I am sure Michigan can use that investment rather than cactus land.

I am sure in time Amazon, Google and other large companies will make similar "announcements".

Play ball or have your access to market increase in cost. It was a good move, and you will see many more like it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 04, 2017, 05:31:58 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 04, 2017, 05:04:28 AM

Maybe you missed the Tweet Don, it's called "Making America Great Again"

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I don't know what 'school' of Economics you attended but it's called protectionism and will simply result in Americans paying for Ford cars built in the USA and the need to impose greater taxes on imports - lest they under-cut.

In such a protectionist climate leaving the EU club is looking increasingly 'smart'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 04, 2017, 07:11:00 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 04, 2017, 05:04:28 AM

Maybe you missed the Tweet Don, it's called "Making America Great Again", and it involves repatriating jobs from Mexico and making that happen by whatever means. Trump pulled a masterstroke there, and Ford complied. The CEO said what any CEO would say having read the memo.

I am sure Michigan can use that investment rather than cactus land.

I am sure in time Amazon, Google and other large companies will make similar "announcements".

Play ball or have your access to market increase in cost. It was a good move, and you will see many more like it.

Hopefully Mrs May has taken note also....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 04, 2017, 07:11:57 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on January 04, 2017, 12:13:24 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 02:11:32 PM
Ford announces a new factory and 700 new jobs in Michigan. Another win for Trump and the American people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4084692/Ford-cancels-Mexico-factory-invests-Michigan-Trump-threatens-Chevy-big-border-tax.html

Trump interferes with a corporations expansion and forces Ford to build in the USA. That's not capitalism Cornfed, that's socialism.
You elected a baffoon who goes bankrupt and he thinks he knows what's best for a highly successful vehicle manufacture?
If Donald Twitter keeps going like this he'll make government in the face of every company. Since you're so excited by this news you better put your hand on the bible and thank your God Trump is da man!

Remind us Don, who did your country elect as its boss???

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 04, 2017, 07:51:15 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 03, 2017, 09:14:13 PM

The Constitution protects the right of people to have stupid, silly ideas, until those ideas rise to the level of sedition, terrorism, etc.

My point exactly.

I'm all for stricter immigration controls. I'm all for confining confirmed terrorists at Getmo.

I'm just not ready to call a religion followed by 1 in 4 people in the world a cult and label ALL it's followers as terrorists.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 04, 2017, 07:55:41 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 04, 2017, 05:04:28 AM

Play ball or have your access to market increase in cost. It was a good move, and you will see many more like it.

Manny "protectionism" does not work. Kindly spend 5 minutes and research the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Act

Protectionism lead to the Great Depression of the 1930's.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 04, 2017, 09:08:34 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2017, 05:04:36 PM

Warning: more attempts to signal virtue, without any rational argument for allowing muslim immigrants.

Quote from: AvHdB on January 03, 2017, 03:01:05 PM

Actually on Thanksgiving our church fed a large community of people, some homeless veterans others Muslim's who came from war regions. Further together with my brother we have a small company, one employee has what was called Aspergers, another guy is Muslim and there is a Jehovah's Witness. The Muslim because it is heavy commute sometime bunks on a berth. So please take your blind hatred and naivety back to the rock that you crawled out from under.

I will assume you can not find a post of mine that advocates blind acceptance of anyone to The United States

Our hero then pronounces: "please take your blind hatred and naivety back to the rock that you crawled out from under".

I will remind the reader that this is what he supports. He's got some nerve to accuse others of "prejudice" and "naivety". And the statement about "crawling back under a rock"? Indeed.

Shariah: Under dhimmi laws enforced in modern Shariah states, Jews, Christians and other
non-Muslims are not equal to Muslims before the law. Under Shariah law, women, girls,
apostates, homosexuals and “blasphemers” are all denied equality under the law.

CONFEDERATE, I will ask you NOT to put your words at make them seem to be mine.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 04, 2017, 09:11:33 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 04, 2017, 07:55:41 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 04, 2017, 05:04:28 AM
Play ball or have your access to market increase in cost. It was a good move, and you will see many more like it.

Manny "protectionism" does not work. Kindly spend 5 minutes and research the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Act

Protectionism lead to the Great Depression of the 1930's.

Things have changed since the 30s. Managed carefully, business can be incentivised in a number of ways.

The UK has import duty and taxes on many items and the percentages vary. The UK is the worlds 5th largest economy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 04, 2017, 09:19:17 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 04, 2017, 05:31:58 AM

I don't know what 'school' of Economics you attended but it's called protectionism and will simply result in Americans paying for Ford cars built in the USA and the need to impose greater taxes on imports - lest they under-cut.

Yes, its called American jobs for American people. People will pay a premium for that as they do with "Made in the UK".

Quote from: msmoby on January 04, 2017, 05:31:58 AM

In such a protectionist climate leaving the EU club is looking increasingly 'smart'

Yes it is.

You cannot simply have limitless free trade without taxes or duties. That simply ends in the export of jobs to wherever labour is cheapest. It also enables the export of money that will never come back.

It is only one tool in Trumps belt. One I agree needs to be managed carefully. But he isnt dumb in business.

Other incentives may include tax breaks for companies (which he has taken advantage of in NY and Atlantic City over the years to develop hotels and casinos). You can have reduced tax zones in low employment areas to encourage employers to set up shop there (Also happens in the UK).

There are a variety of ways to encourage companies to comply and do what is better for the country without much loss to them. He has pulled two rabbits from the hat now before he is even sworn in.

People can't be consumers if they have no work. Think of the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2017, 10:42:01 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 04, 2017, 09:19:17 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 04, 2017, 05:31:58 AM
I don't know what 'school' of Economics you attended but it's called protectionism and will simply result in Americans paying for Ford cars built in the USA and the need to impose greater taxes on imports - lest they under-cut.

Yes, its called American jobs for American people. People will pay a premium for that as they do with "Made in the UK".

Quote from: msmoby on January 04, 2017, 05:31:58 AM
In such a protectionist climate leaving the EU club is looking increasingly 'smart'

Yes it is.

You cannot simply have limitless free trade without taxes or duties. That simply ends in the export of jobs to wherever labour is cheapest. It also enables the export of money that will never come back.

It is only one tool in Trumps belt. One I agree needs to be managed carefully. But he isnt dumb in business.

Other incentives may include tax breaks for companies (which he has taken advantage of in NY and Atlantic City over the years to develop hotels and casinos). You can have reduced tax zones in low employment areas to encourage employers to set up shop there (Also happens in the UK).

There are a variety of ways to encourage companies to comply and do what is better for the country without much loss to them. He has pulled two rabbits from the hat now before he is even sworn in.

People can't be consumers if they have no work. Think of the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker.

The word "protectionism" always gets thrown about without abandon. As you've mentioned many consumers are willing to pay a small premium for made in the USA, or in your case made in the UK.

Furthermore as you mentioned those without good paying jobs cannot be good consumers. Henry Ford was really the first to prove on a large scale that a healthy middle class is good for the economy.

The less expensive cars will still be built and those who want those will still have that choice. Furthermore Trump is not achieving this solely by making idle threats of higher taxes on import goods; he's achieving this by making the regulatory and tax environment more business friendly.

Trump is not anti-trade, regardless of the howling from the usual suspects. He's for fair trade. As he's mentioned we have had trade deals negotiated by politicians for decades. Those same politicians always use the same excuses, but the real reasons are that they get bribed to give China and Mexico and others better tax structures than American businesses enjoy back home. Part of "drain the swamp" is to replace lousy political appointees as trade negotiators with business people with real experience. Such as Carl Icahn.

Putting China and Mexico on notice that trade deals will no longer be losing deals for America is a good thing. They will be win win deals, or no deals will be made. Instead of having weaklings who are easily duped involved, Trump will have "killers" who understand business involved.

Protectionism my arse. It's called tough as nails common sense negotiating along with lower taxes and fewer regulations.

As Steve Bannon has said politicians like the ones Shakespeare likes have made fortunes by shifting our middle class to China and growing a middle class there at our expense.

RINO's like Shakespeare should stop bleating "protectionism" and learn to support ideals which will result in the renaissance of the American middle class.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/21/us/politics/peter-navarro-carl-icahn-trump-china-trade.html?_r=0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 04, 2017, 11:00:50 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 04, 2017, 07:51:15 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 03, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
The Constitution protects the right of people to have stupid, silly ideas, until those ideas rise to the level of sedition, terrorism, etc.

My point exactly.

I'm all for stricter immigration controls. I'm all for confining confirmed terrorists at Getmo.

I'm just not ready to call a religion followed by 1 in 4 people in the world a cult and label ALL it's followers as terrorists.

Is that bolded part directed at me?

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2017, 11:15:17 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 04, 2017, 07:51:15 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 03, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
The Constitution protects the right of people to have stupid, silly ideas, until those ideas rise to the level of sedition, terrorism, etc.

My point exactly.

I'm all for stricter immigration controls. I'm all for confining confirmed terrorists at Getmo.

I'm just not ready to call a religion followed by 1 in 4 people in the world a cult and label ALL it's followers as terrorists.

Show me one post where I've labeled all muslims as terrorists. I agree there are moderates and I simply want our government to do a much better job of separating out the radicals.

Going forward I believe a permanent ban would be wise to preserve our Republic and the freedoms which we have.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1WF1a_WgAAh98O.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2017, 11:17:52 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 04, 2017, 11:00:50 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 04, 2017, 07:51:15 AM
Quote from: B.B. on January 03, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
The Constitution protects the right of people to have stupid, silly ideas, until those ideas rise to the level of sedition, terrorism, etc.

My point exactly.

I'm all for stricter immigration controls. I'm all for confining confirmed terrorists at Getmo.

I'm just not ready to call a religion followed by 1 in 4 people in the world a cult and label ALL it's followers as terrorists.

Is that bolded part directed at me?

B/B

I'm fairly certain I am his primary target. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 04, 2017, 11:36:40 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 04, 2017, 09:19:17 AM

Yes, its called American jobs for American people. People will pay a premium for that as they do with "Made in the UK".

An example from the REAL world..

M&S used to sell a lot of clothes made in the UK - shirts from N.Ireland - for example ...they WANTED to keep the 'Made in Britain' theme - but just couldn't compete..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 04, 2017, 11:45:59 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 04, 2017, 11:36:40 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 04, 2017, 09:19:17 AM

Yes, its called American jobs for American people. People will pay a premium for that as they do with "Made in the UK".

An example from the REAL world..

M&S used to sell a lot of clothes made in the UK - shirts from N.Ireland - for example ...they WANTED to keep the 'Made in Britain' theme - but just couldn't compete..

M&S is bloated and uncompetitive. As are most department stores.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 04, 2017, 11:58:06 AM

Moderators: Why not move all the Muslim comments and posts to the thread started by Volshe? Let the Trump posts continue on this thread.

We are discussing two separate themes and topics in my opinion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 04, 2017, 12:15:27 PM

I remember when I was a kid my mum buying me shoes that were 'Empire Made'. Lucky if they lasted a month....

And I seem to remember stuff saying 'Made in Great Britain' i.e. not 'Made in UK'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2017, 12:30:11 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 04, 2017, 12:15:27 PM

I remember when I was a kid my mum buying me shoes that were 'Empire Made'. Lucky if they lasted a month....

And I seem to remember stuff saying 'Made in Great Britain' i.e. not 'Made in UK'.

I like it!

Make Great Britain Great Again! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 04, 2017, 12:33:19 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 04, 2017, 11:00:50 AM

Is that bolded part directed at me?
B/B

No. Even on your worst day you'd never say anything so silly.

My target was Confederate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2017, 12:42:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 04, 2017, 12:33:19 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 04, 2017, 11:00:50 AM
Is that bolded part directed at me?
B/B

No. Even on your worst day you'd never say anything so silly.

My target was Confederate.

You and all the other radicals have me as a target. :smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2017, 12:45:26 PM

https://twitter.com/steph93065/status/816510720716087296

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2017, 12:49:21 PM

In regards to alleged Russian hacking. The DNC has nobody but themselves to blame. And the charade arranged by Obama declaring it was the Russians? Nothing but party hacks hired by Obama to push his narrative in an attempt to make Trump look bad. Just another bit of sour grapes from a loser who's legacy will soon be erased.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1Wdll7WQAAynzl.jpg

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 04, 2017, 12:55:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 04, 2017, 12:42:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 04, 2017, 12:33:19 PM
Quote from: B.B. on January 04, 2017, 11:00:50 AM
Is that bolded part directed at me?
B/B

No. Even on your worst day you'd never say anything so silly.

My target was Confederate.

You and all the other radicals have me as a target. :smokin:

Perhaps Confederate wanted to say; You and all other rational people have me as a target.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 04, 2017, 01:01:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 04, 2017, 12:30:11 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 04, 2017, 12:15:27 PM
I remember when I was a kid my mum buying me shoes that were 'Empire Made'. Lucky if they lasted a month....

And I seem to remember stuff saying 'Made in Great Britain' i.e. not 'Made in UK'.

I like it!

Make Great Britain Great Again! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat

Well TBF the 'Great' refers to the fact it's largest island in the British Isles, historically 'Little Britain' referred to Ireland (and not the TV series) which will no doubt piss off the Paddies.

Nothing to do with it being a great place, it's home, but it's not great.

I've lived in;

1. England, almost all my life, it's home, always will be

2. Scotland, 10 years, loved it there too

3. Wales, a year, Swansea, was ok

4. Ireland, a year, didn't like it at the time but kind of miss it now.

5. Germany, a year, would go back, Berlin is fabulously cosmopolitan, Hamburg very British, Chemnitz a shitthole, Dresden evocative. Would love to settle in Berlin though...

6. Switzerland, Zurich for three months, boring, boring, boring....

7. Copenhagen, six months so far, probably the nicest place place in every way I've lived and nearest home substitute, but novelty wearing off a bit now, going through the 'I don't know which place I like best' stage at the moment as all expats do.

I like Germany because it's the foreign language I speak/understand best, and you can drive at insane speeds on the Autobahnen, obvs there are Muslim/refugee probs now but when I was in Berlin 5 years ago or so, plenty of them about and no issues apart from excellent kepaps, especially the one at Zoologischegarten next to the Erotic Museum, kepap and porn, luxury! And drugs and pros if so inclined. And the all day breakfast at Die/Der/Das Schwartzes Cafe on Kantstraße, wonderful!

Als das kind, kind war....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2017, 01:07:33 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 04, 2017, 01:01:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 04, 2017, 12:30:11 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 04, 2017, 12:15:27 PM
I remember when I was a kid my mum buying me shoes that were 'Empire Made'. Lucky if they lasted a month....

And I seem to remember stuff saying 'Made in Great Britain' i.e. not 'Made in UK'.

I like it!

Make Great Britain Great Again! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat

Well TBF the 'Great' refers to the fact it's largest island in the British Isles, historically 'Little Britain' referred to Ireland (and not the TV series) which will no doubt piss off the Paddies.

Nothing to do with it being a great place, it's home, but it's not great.

I've lived in;

1. England, almost all my life, it's home, always will be

2. Scotland, 10 years, loved it there too

3. Wales, a year, Swansea, was ok

4. Ireland, a year, didn't like it at the time but kind of miss it now.

5. Germany, a year, would go back, Berlin is fabulously cosmopolitan, Hamburg very British, Chemnitz a shitthole, Dresden evocative. Would love to settle in Berlin though...

6. Switzerland, Zurich for three months, boring, boring, boring....

7. Copenhagen, six months so far, probably the nicest place place in every way I've lived and nearest home substitute, but novelty wearing off a bit now, going through the 'I don't know which place I like best' stage at the moment as all expats do.

I like Germany because it's the foreign language I speak/understand best, and you can drive at insane speeds on the Autobahnen, obvs there are Muslim/refugee probs now but when I was in Berlin 5 years ago or so, plenty of them about and no issues apart from excellent kepaps, especially the one at Zoologischegarten next to the Erotic Museum, kepap and porn, luxury! And drugs and pros if so inclined. And the all day breakfast at Die/Der/Das Schwartzes Cafe on Kantstraße, wonderful!

Als das kind, kind war....

You wrote: kepaps. I am confused, did you mean kebabs? Because otherwise I have no idea what you mean. (?)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2017, 01:08:52 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 04, 2017, 12:55:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 04, 2017, 12:42:50 PM
Quote from: shakespear on January 04, 2017, 12:33:19 PM
Quote from: B.B. on January 04, 2017, 11:00:50 AM
Is that bolded part directed at me?
B/B

No. Even on your worst day you'd never say anything so silly.

My target was Confederate.

You and all the other radicals have me as a target. :smokin:

Perhaps Confederate wanted to say; You and all other rational people have me as a target.

No. Rational people don't make foolish arguments for appeasement. Rational people when diagnosed with a cancerous tumor do all they can to remove it. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 04, 2017, 01:17:52 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 04, 2017, 01:07:33 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 04, 2017, 01:01:35 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 04, 2017, 12:30:11 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 04, 2017, 12:15:27 PM
I remember when I was a kid my mum buying me shoes that were 'Empire Made'. Lucky if they lasted a month....

And I seem to remember stuff saying 'Made in Great Britain' i.e. not 'Made in UK'.

I like it!

Make Great Britain Great Again! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat

Well TBF the 'Great' refers to the fact it's largest island in the British Isles, historically 'Little Britain' referred to Ireland (and not the TV series) which will no doubt piss off the Paddies.

Nothing to do with it being a great place, it's home, but it's not great.

I've lived in;

1. England, almost all my life, it's home, always will be

2. Scotland, 10 years, loved it there too

3. Wales, a year, Swansea, was ok

4. Ireland, a year, didn't like it at the time but kind of miss it now.

5. Germany, a year, would go back, Berlin is fabulously cosmopolitan, Hamburg very British, Chemnitz a shitthole, Dresden evocative. Would love to settle in Berlin though...

6. Switzerland, Zurich for three months, boring, boring, boring....

7. Copenhagen, six months so far, probably the nicest place place in every way I've lived and nearest home substitute, but novelty wearing off a bit now, going through the 'I don't know which place I like best' stage at the moment as all expats do.

I like Germany because it's the foreign language I speak/understand best, and you can drive at insane speeds on the Autobahnen, obvs there are Muslim/refugee probs now but when I was in Berlin 5 years ago or so, plenty of them about and no issues apart from excellent kepaps, especially the one at Zoologischegarten next to the Erotic Museum, kepap and porn, luxury! And drugs and pros if so inclined. And the all day breakfast at Die/Der/Das Schwartzes Cafe on Kantstraße, wonderful!

Als das kind, kind war....

You wrote: kepaps. I am confused, did you mean kebabs? Because otherwise I have no idea what you mean. (?)

Kebaps, my bad.

That's what they seem to be called in Germany and the Nordic States, Turkish-style, bit like Shawarma. The British Kebab is just rank, based on God knows what, truly awful, slimy lamb in a crappy bit of pitta bread from ASDA, the German one is like slightly spicy chicken, in a most excellent slightly crusty proper bread, hungry now....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 04, 2017, 01:51:30 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 04, 2017, 10:42:01 AM

RINO's like Shakespeare should stop bleating "protectionism" and learn to support ideals which will result in the renaissance of the American middle class.

His point shouldn't be totally ignored. The Smoot Hawley tariff greatly damaged
the US and it could do so today as well. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean we shouldn't
beat, threaten, cajole and push China better fair trade deals and get them to pay
for some of the things they've done.

Today we have a bad deal with China. They are free to steal technology, hack
into our government files, juggle their currency values etc. Obama, G W Bush
and Clinton all helped them get to this point and it needs to be greatly curtailed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2017, 04:03:10 PM

Quote from: Popka! on January 04, 2017, 01:51:30 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 04, 2017, 10:42:01 AM

RINO's like Shakespeare should stop bleating "protectionism" and learn to support ideals which will result in the renaissance of the American middle class.

His point shouldn't be totally ignored. The Smoot Hawley tariff greatly damaged
the US and it could do so today as well. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean we shouldn't
beat, threaten, cajole and push China better fair trade deals and get them to pay
for some of the things they've done.

Today we have a bad deal with China. They are free to steal technology, hack
into our government files, juggle their currency values etc. Obama, G W Bush
and Clinton all helped them get to this point and it needs to be greatly curtailed.

Yes, I agree with your analysis. A clumsy person might get us unto a trade war, however I don't see that as being Trump. You're very well informed on China and how they've worked us over. Trump is putting together an excellent team to do a much better job of dealing with them.

If you read the link I posted you will notice that some of his advisors lean more towards protectionism and some more towards free trade. So I believe he has a good team at his ear who will give him a good balance. The main thing China has been manipulating their currency. That alone has given them an enormous advantage. His administration looks to put an end to this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2017, 06:53:42 PM

Nazi tactics not working for the Democratic party anymore.

http://regated.com/2017/01/democrats-nazi-tactics-supporters/#.WG2irpfHEhg.twitter

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 04, 2017, 09:46:13 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 04, 2017, 11:45:59 AM

M&S is bloated and uncompetitive. As are most department stores.

:)) Tell that to Primark, Walmart, etc...

So let's try again .. why are folks buying from China - rather than the UK ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 05, 2017, 12:15:43 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 04, 2017, 09:46:13 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 04, 2017, 11:45:59 AM

M&S is bloated and uncompetitive. As are most department stores.

:)) Tell that to Primark, Walmart, etc...

Shows what you know about retail. (:)

Primark caters to a different market sector than M&S, as do Asda/Walmart. They cater to the price led discount end. Like Lidl or Netto.

Quote from: msmoby on January 04, 2017, 09:46:13 PM

So let's try again .. why are folks buying from China - rather than the UK ?

Minimum wage forced on employers, red tape, high taxes and high business rates are among the things that make manufacturing in the UK expensive. I can make and import something in China for £3k when to make it here would cost £10k. British manufacturing is stifled by regulation and taxes. Not to mention mostly sclerotic management.

When Trump was criticised for buying Chinese steel over US steel when building Trump Tower, his reply was that it wasn't his fault that US steel was not competitive, as it was the government that made the policies that made US businesses uncompetitive. He said he was doing his duty as a businessman to source at a keen price - even if that means China. I agree with him. If I could manufacture in the UK, I would.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 05, 2017, 12:19:24 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 04, 2017, 07:51:15 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 03, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
The Constitution protects the right of people to have stupid, silly ideas, until those ideas rise to the level of sedition, terrorism, etc.

My point exactly.

I'm all for stricter immigration controls. I'm all for confining confirmed terrorists at Getmo.

I'm just not ready to call a religion followed by 1 in 4 people in the world a cult and label ALL it's followers as terrorists.

Dutch blog geenstijl said that studies prove that half of all muslims worldwide are fundementalists with 10% of those accepting severe violence against those not following their beliefs. Thats 50 million potential terrorists. I will quote the source when im home from vacation. Internet is slow here

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2017, 12:50:46 AM

Quote from: Markje on January 05, 2017, 12:19:24 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 04, 2017, 07:51:15 AM
Quote from: B.B. on January 03, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
The Constitution protects the right of people to have stupid, silly ideas, until those ideas rise to the level of sedition, terrorism, etc.

My point exactly.

I'm all for stricter immigration controls. I'm all for confining confirmed terrorists at Getmo.

I'm just not ready to call a religion followed by 1 in 4 people in the world a cult and label ALL it's followers as terrorists.

Dutch blog geenstijl said that studies prove that half of all muslims worldwide are fundementalists with 10% of those accepting severe violence against those not following their beliefs. Thats 50 million potential terrorists. I will quote the source when im home from vacation. Internet is slow here

This is the real problem. IIRC Hitler won by about 36% of the vote back in 1932 or so when he came to power. A majority of Germans were not Nazi's and probably did not support his war mongering. It was not the normal ones that caused all of the destruction. It was the fanatical ones. So how to separate out the fanatics? This is the problem which needs to be solved.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 05, 2017, 01:08:23 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 05, 2017, 12:15:43 AM

Shows what you know about retail. (:)

I know that they are making money .. and buying outside the UK / US.. and so too, now are M&S, Next, Debenhams and House of Fraser are owned by a Chinese biz man..

Quote from: Manny on January 05, 2017, 12:15:43 AM

Primark caters to a different market sector than M&S, as do Asda/Walmart. They cater to the price led discount end. Like Lidl or Netto.

Shows how much YOU know... Do some research into the socio-economic groupings buying from the New Looks / Primarks of this world ..

Quote from: msmoby on January 04, 2017, 09:46:13 PM

So let's try again .. why are folks buying from China - rather than the UK ?

Quote

Minimum wage forced on employers, red tape, high taxes and high business rates are among the things that make manufacturing in the UK expensive. I can make and import something in China for £3k when to make it here would cost £10k. British manufacturing is stifled by regulation and taxes. Not to mention mostly sclerotic management.

THANK YOU.. So so, you choose to buy from China.. for reasons of common sense - profit I'm sure you'll wonder at Trump - the 'successful business man' telling your US counterpart to lose their financial heads..

Quote from: Manny on January 05, 2017, 12:15:43 AM

When Trump was criticised for buying Chinese steel over US steel when building Trump Tower, his reply was that it wasn't his fault that US steel was not competitive, as it was the government that made the policies that made US businesses uncompetitive. He said he was doing his duty as a businessman to source at a keen price - even if that means China. I agree with him. If I could manufacture in the UK, I would.

I note you've tried to duck my point ..:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 05, 2017, 02:42:57 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 05, 2017, 01:08:23 AM

THANK YOU.. So so, you choose to buy from China.. for reasons of common sense - profit I'm sure you'll wonder at Trump - the 'successful business man' telling your US counterpart to lose their financial heads..

You see only in black and white.

Trump saw what needed to be done.

There are always some large corporations whose activity is such that they bleed the money out of a market. Ford seeking to expand production in Mexico when the US is ailing is a good case of an activity that can be curtailed. When I was importing Mustangs a few years ago, I recall they had a sticker on the back quarter light that said something like "Proudly made in the USA". Americans being very patriotic folks on the whole, will appreciate knowing that. They will appreciate Trump twisting Ford's arm a bit. If it adds a few hundred dollars on a new car I doubt they will care as they drip them all up anyway.

Ford never wrote "Proudly made in Mexico" on them.......

Was a backdoor deal done to knock a few dollars off Ford's taxes as incentive? I'd bet yes. I'd bet there is also a NDA on that and any Carrier deal too. Were I the CEO of Ford, I'd have seen a great opportunity to talk to the Trump team and invite them to dangle a carrot for us not to move more production to Mexico and bathe in the PR afterward. One thing Trump does get is PR.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 05, 2017, 03:26:02 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 05, 2017, 02:42:57 AM

You see only in black and white.

Said the guy STILL buying from China!?

Quote from: Manny on January 05, 2017, 02:42:57 AM

Trump saw what needed to be done.

'Sure' ...thank goodness we will be in the EU for at least another 2 years...lest we wake up and find a Donald imposes a 35 percent import duty on Chinese alternative spares.)

Quote from: Manny on January 05, 2017, 02:42:57 AM

There are always some large corporations whose activity is such that they bleed the money out of a market..

More chance of govt controlled monsters doing that..

Your hero' Tramp'..as he us known here, in Russia..is on danger of looking like a totalitarian Communist 'leader'

Quote from: Manny on January 05, 2017, 02:42:57 AM

. Ford seeking to expand production in Mexico when the US

Why not? If they can build it fir less? AND be more competitive? I forsee the likes of the Teamsters rubbing there hands with glee..Some folks have short memories..

As for 'tangs.. They are now being sold in RHD in the UK....Better hope the UK govt don't add 35 percent to them. Ford hardly make any funished product here...Yet Brits still feel they are British....bizarre

Point is, protectionism is short sighted and has led to recession and war.

Please check your history.. It's a vote winner in hard times and Moby doesn't believe in national fervour. International trade and inter dependency is great, thanks

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 05, 2017, 03:34:28 AM

I remember when Fender Guitars started producing in Mexico, situation is/was that whilst the Mexico produced guitars were not quite the same quality-wise, they were less than half the price.

I had one but now the snob in me says go American for my guitars, except for the Korean-made Gretsch I have, was about £500, as against the £3450 for the US-made version, admittedly with more bells and whistles (think Electromatic vs White Falcon).

So I'd say some will always buy American for the kudos and most would still prefer a near-copy at half price....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 05, 2017, 08:48:06 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 05, 2017, 02:42:57 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 05, 2017, 01:08:23 AM
THANK YOU.. So so, you choose to buy from China.. for reasons of common sense - profit I'm sure you'll wonder at Trump - the 'successful business man' telling your US counterpart to lose their financial heads..

You see only in black and white.

Trump saw what needed to be done.

Ford never wrote "Proudly made in Mexico" on them.......

What Trump is also offering US business is a new climate where they will be able to make more because of less regulations and lower taxes on all American corporations. As Ford had said in its announcement this is likely to be the most business friendly US government anyone live today can remember. This is a huge change from Obama and one we have badly needed for a long time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2017, 09:21:29 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on January 05, 2017, 08:48:06 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 05, 2017, 02:42:57 AM
Quote from: msmoby on January 05, 2017, 01:08:23 AM
THANK YOU.. So so, you choose to buy from China.. for reasons of common sense - profit I'm sure you'll wonder at Trump - the 'successful business man' telling your US counterpart to lose their financial heads..

You see only in black and white.

Trump saw what needed to be done.

Ford never wrote "Proudly made in Mexico" on them.......

What Trump is also offering US business is a new climate where they will be able to make more because of less regulations and lower taxes on all American corporations. As Ford had said in its announcement this is likely to be the most business friendly US government anyone live today can remember. This is a huge change from Obama and one we have badly needed for a long time.

Fewer regulations and a more business friendly environment. But as usual from the comments of the lefty wacko's they would rather have jobs shipped to Mexico or China.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2017, 09:23:27 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 05, 2017, 02:42:57 AM

Ford never wrote "Proudly made in Mexico" on them.......

Was a backdoor deal done to knock a few dollars off Ford's taxes as incentive? I'd bet yes. I'd bet there is also a NDA on that and any Carrier deal too. Were I the CEO of Ford, I'd have seen a great opportunity to talk to the Trump team and invite them to dangle a carrot for us not to move more production to Mexico and bathe in the PR afterward. One thing Trump does get is PR.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2017, 09:26:06 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1aBwTgUsAApMHK.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2017, 09:34:19 AM

Build the Wall! Build it any way possible!

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sheriff-use-prison-inmates-to-build-trumps-wall/article/2610875#.WG5TzD-Usis.twitter

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 05, 2017, 10:29:30 AM

Trump is a force to be reckoned with.

Battle With Trump Puts GM in Tough Spot

http://www.wsj.com/articles/battle-with-trump-puts-gm-in-tough-spot-1483612203

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on January 05, 2017, 11:51:00 AM

The FBI Never Asked For Access To Hacked Computer Servers (https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkins/the-fbi-never-asked-for-access-to-hacked-computer-servers?utm_term=.qblOJrnkz#.wflP1DXeY)

The Democratic National Committee tells BuzzFeed News that the bureau “never requested access” to the servers the White House and intelligence community say were hacked by Russia.

In a 13-page report made public the last week of December, the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security confirmed in a joint analysis that Russia was behind the widespread hacks, which targeted Democrats with the intention to manipulate the US election. But the analysis was attributed to broad intelligence across both public and private sectors. Nowhere in the report does it say that the government conducted its own computer forensics on the DNC servers.

"Six months after the FBI first said it was investigating the hack of the Democratic National Committee’s computer network, the bureau has still not requested access to the hacked servers, a DNC spokesman said. No US government entity has run an independent forensic analysis on the system, one US intelligence official told BuzzFeed News.

“The DNC had several meetings with representatives of the FBI’s Cyber Division and its Washington (DC) Field Office, the Department of Justice’s National Security Division, and U.S. Attorney’s Offices, and it responded to a variety of requests for cooperation, but the FBI never requested access to the DNC’s computer servers,” Eric Walker, the DNC’s deputy communications director, told BuzzFeed News in an email."

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2017, 12:25:13 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 05, 2017, 10:29:30 AM

Trump is a force to be reckoned with.

Battle With Trump Puts GM in Tough Spot

http://www.wsj.com/articles/battle-with-trump-puts-gm-in-tough-spot-1483612203

Meanwhile in France:

https://twitter.com/OnlineMagazin/status/816935053532008449

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 05, 2017, 12:39:54 PM

In reality the automotive industry owes a debt of gratitude to U.S.taxpayers. without the government bailout the industry would have been crushed. Trump is doing what any good leader should do.

Trump: Toyota faces big tax if it builds Corolla cars for U.S. in Mexico

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14P27S

Ford, BMW, Toyota Took Secret Government Money

http://jalopnik.com/5704575/ford-bmw-toyota-took-secret-government-money

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2017, 03:01:35 PM

Wow! The power of just one Donald J. Trump tweet is very impressive!

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/817123736096821248

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2017, 06:10:23 PM

Real hope and change is coming soon! God it feels good knowing this.

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama%20leaves%20office"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 05, 2017, 06:22:46 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2017, 06:10:23 PM

Real hope and change is coming soon! God it feels good knowing this.

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama%20leaves%20office"

It's a blessing that Hillary didn't get elected, and Obama will soon be out.
Personally I am so very thankful that obnoxious ass, Tim Kaine will not be V.P.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on January 05, 2017, 07:16:08 PM

Quote from: Manny

If it adds a few hundred dollars on a new car I doubt they will care as they drip them all up anyway.

Ford never wrote "Proudly made in Mexico" on them.......

Did you mean trick them all up?
I've seen stickers on my goods that say 'Assembled in Mexico, designed in the USA with materials from Canada.' ????

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on January 05, 2017, 07:20:48 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2017, 06:10:23 PM

Real hope and change is coming soon! God it feels good knowing this.

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama%20leaves%20office"

Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2017, 03:01:35 PM

Wow! The power of just one Donald J. Trump tweet is very impressive!

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/817123736096821248

Cornfed when/if you get laid, are your final pelvic thrusts of you blurring out, 'TRUMP!-TRUMP!!-TRUMP! Oh god ohh TRuuuuuP!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 05, 2017, 07:33:52 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2017, 09:34:19 AM

Build the Wall! Build it any way possible!

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sheriff-use-prison-inmates-to-build-trumps-wall/article/2610875#.WG5TzD-Usis.twitter

Wonder once the wall get underway, and they start deporting the undesirable, how many will look north to Canada as the new promised land?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 05, 2017, 07:40:27 PM

Maybe a little payback for Obama's decision on the Russians?

Report: Trump orders ambassadors to leave posts by inauguration

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/312965-report-trump-orders-ambassadors-to-leave-posts-by-inauguration

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2017, 08:43:56 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 05, 2017, 07:40:27 PM

Maybe a little payback for Obama's decision on the Russians?

Report: Trump orders ambassadors to leave posts by inauguration

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/312965-report-trump-orders-ambassadors-to-leave-posts-by-inauguration

I was thinking the same. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2017, 09:26:37 PM

Wiz you should like this.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-05/trump-aims-cut-neocon-deep-state-knees

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2017, 09:56:40 PM

https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/817160091778646016

and

https://twitter.com/Deplorable80210/status/809557208027566080

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 02:46:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2017, 08:43:56 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 05, 2017, 07:40:27 PM
Maybe a little payback for Obama's decision on the Russians?

Report: Trump orders ambassadors to leave posts by inauguration

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/312965-report-trump-orders-ambassadors-to-leave-posts-by-inauguration

I was thinking the same. :thumbsup:

The headline is misleading. He has changed the protocol for politically appointed ambassadors. But there is a mechanism for the ambassadors to remain until another successor is in place.

On the other hand any politically appointed ambassador that did not start making plans in mid November should not be an ambassador.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 07:55:06 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on January 05, 2017, 07:20:48 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2017, 06:10:23 PM
Real hope and change is coming soon! God it feels good knowing this.

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama%20leaves%20office"

Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2017, 03:01:35 PM
Wow! The power of just one Donald J. Trump tweet is very impressive!

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/817123736096821248

Confederate when/if you get laid, are your final pelvic thrusts of you blurring out, 'TRUMP!-TRUMP!!-TRUMP! Oh god ohh TRuuuuuP!

hey Cornhollio, did you know that Jobless figures just came out? 94 Million Americans are not employed. So much for the Obama "recovery".

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/worst-president-ever-obamas-94-million-jobless-americans/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1fm5VzVEAAY3fD.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 08:10:31 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 02:46:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2017, 08:43:56 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on January 05, 2017, 07:40:27 PM
Maybe a little payback for Obama's decision on the Russians?

Report: Trump orders ambassadors to leave posts by inauguration

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/312965-report-trump-orders-ambassadors-to-leave-posts-by-inauguration

I was thinking the same. :thumbsup:

The headline is misleading. He has changed the protocol for politically appointed ambassadors. But there is a mechanism for the ambassadors to remain until another successor is in place.

On the other hand any politically appointed ambassador that did not start making plans in mid November should not be an ambassador.

The NY Times seems to disagree with your assessment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/us/politics/trump-ambassadors.html?_r=0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 06, 2017, 09:21:34 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 07:55:06 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on January 05, 2017, 07:20:48 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2017, 06:10:23 PM
Real hope and change is coming soon! God it feels good knowing this.

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama%20leaves%20office"

Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2017, 03:01:35 PM
Wow! The power of just one Donald J. Trump tweet is very impressive!

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/817123736096821248

Confederate when/if you get laid, are your final pelvic thrusts of you blurring out, 'TRUMP!-TRUMP!!-TRUMP! Oh god ohh TRuuuuuP!

hey [Don]hollio, did you know that Jobless figures just came out? 94 Million Americans are not employed. So much for the Obama "recovery".

95,102,000 http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/record-95102000-americans-not-labor-force-number-grew-18-obama-took-office

An increase of jobless people of 18.09% since Obama took office in January 2009.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 06, 2017, 09:56:00 AM

Would seem it's acceptable practice for the United states to spy on Russian officials, but it's completely unacceptable if Russia was to do the same. This is nothing new, had Trump not expressed interest in Russia, or Hillary has won, this would have not been an issue.

U.S. intercepts capture senior Russian officials celebrating Trump win

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/2017/01/05/d7099406-d355-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?utm_term=.d5b5765ecfb3

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 06, 2017, 10:02:03 AM

Nobody is saying anything about Ukraine openly trying to trash Trump and sway support over to the HC camp, that was a blatant attempt to manipulate the US elections...

No sanctions against them for interfering.... :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 11:36:32 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 06, 2017, 10:02:03 AM

Nobody is saying anything about Ukraine openly trying to trash Trump and sway support over to the HC camp, that was a blatant attempt to manipulate the US elections...

No sanctions against them for interfering.... :chuckle:

I did notice this. There must be some really strong Ukrainian propaganda going on because I made some comments I felt were neutral and I got accused of being a Russian "spy" or something of that sort.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 11:37:40 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 06, 2017, 09:56:00 AM

Would seem it's acceptable practice for the United states to spy on Russian officials, but it's completely unacceptable if Russia was to do the same. This is nothing new, had Trump not expressed interest in Russia, or Hillary has won, this would have not been an issue.

U.S. intercepts capture senior Russian officials celebrating Trump win

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-intercepts-capture-senior-russian-officials-celebrating-trump-win/2017/01/05/d7099406-d355-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?utm_term=.d5b5765ecfb3

Of course they were celebrating! The alternative was that warmongering wack job who would have started WWIII.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 06, 2017, 12:35:36 PM

What I like about Trump is he points out the obvious.

Trump Says Focus on Russian Hacking Is a ‘Political Witch Hunt

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/06/us/politics/donald-trump-wall-hack-russia.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 06, 2017, 02:40:20 PM

If any of this were to be fact, we owe Russia and Putin a debt of gratitude.
But what I find offensive is the media pointing fingers at Putin as fact, when this is nothing more than an educated guess.

U.S. intel report says Putin directed cyber campaign aimed at helping Trump

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN14Q2DF

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 06, 2017, 03:39:59 PM

Bring on the inauguration!
The Democrats whining till the bitter end. :chuckle:

Biden drops the hammer on final Democratic objections to Trump’s win: ‘It is over

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/06/biden-cuts-off-democratic-objections-to-trumps-win-it-is-over/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 03:58:45 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 08:10:31 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 02:46:45 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2017, 08:43:56 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on January 05, 2017, 07:40:27 PM
Maybe a little payback for Obama's decision on the Russians?

Report: Trump orders ambassadors to leave posts by inauguration

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/312965-report-trump-orders-ambassadors-to-leave-posts-by-inauguration

I was thinking the same. :thumbsup:

The headline is misleading. He has changed the protocol for politically appointed ambassadors. But there is a mechanism for the ambassadors to remain until another successor is in place.

On the other hand any politically appointed ambassador that did not start making plans in mid November should not be an ambassador.

The NY Times seems to disagree with your assessment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/us/politics/trump-ambassadors.html?_r=0

We can assume reading comprehension Confederate is not a strong skill of yours.

From the New York Times article that you mention; The State Department informed all politically appointed ambassadors in a letter the day after the election that they were to submit letters of resignation effective Jan. 20. It instructed those who wanted to seek extensions to submit formal requests explaining their justifications.

The article like the other noted are attempts by the media to paint Mr. Trump in a negative light. You are free to read what ever you want but perhaps the Sunday cartons are a better place to start.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 04:06:10 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 03:58:45 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 08:10:31 AM
Quote from: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 02:46:45 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2017, 08:43:56 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on January 05, 2017, 07:40:27 PM
Maybe a little payback for Obama's decision on the Russians?

Report: Trump orders ambassadors to leave posts by inauguration

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/312965-report-trump-orders-ambassadors-to-leave-posts-by-inauguration

I was thinking the same. :thumbsup:

The headline is misleading. He has changed the protocol for politically appointed ambassadors. But there is a mechanism for the ambassadors to remain until another successor is in place.

On the other hand any politically appointed ambassador that did not start making plans in mid November should not be an ambassador.

The NY Times seems to disagree with your assessment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/us/politics/trump-ambassadors.html?_r=0

We can assume reading comprehension Confederate is not a strong skill of yours.

From the New York Times article that you mention; The State Department informed all politically appointed ambassadors in a letter the day after the election that they were to submit letters of resignation effective Jan. 20. It instructed those who wanted to seek extensions to submit formal requests explaining their justifications.

The article like the other noted are attempts by the media to paint Mr. Trump in a negative light. You are free to read what ever you want but perhaps the Sunday cartons are a better place to start.

I will admit that I only glossed over the headlines on both, so if I'm wrong I will readily admit to it. I believe the portion of your quote which I highlighted is the root of the confusion. I honestly didn't think they would be so petty as to do this, if indeed they did. I figured their duplicity was currently limited to the so-called "Russian hack".

Edit to add: As you can clearly see, the headline is highly misleading.

In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

Notice they are claiming that "Envoys are denied extensions past Inauguration Day". Very deceptive if what you are saying is true.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 06, 2017, 04:07:58 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 06, 2017, 10:02:03 AM

Nobody is saying anything about Ukraine openly trying to trash Trump and sway support over to the HC camp, that was a blatant attempt to manipulate the US elections...

No sanctions against them for interfering.... :chuckle:

As a guy who spends a lot of time in Ukeland, the Ukrs that I know generally favor the GOP, because the view is that the GOP (prior to Trump) was more likely to stand up to Russia. They are worried now about the perceived close relationship b/w Trump and Putin, but it's not like Trump is Putin's stooge, so not much to worry about. Obama didn't exactly rush in to save Ukr before, so the base level policy isn't going to change as a practical matter.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 04:15:19 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 06, 2017, 04:07:58 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 06, 2017, 10:02:03 AM
Nobody is saying anything about Ukraine openly trying to trash Trump and sway support over to the HC camp, that was a blatant attempt to manipulate the US elections...

No sanctions against them for interfering.... :chuckle:

As a guy who spends a lot of time in Ukeland, the Ukrs that I know generally favor the GOP, because the view is that the GOP (prior to Trump) was more likely to stand up to Russia. They are worried now about the perceived close relationship b/w Trump and Putin, but it's not like Trump is Putin's stooge, so not much to worry about. Obama didn't exactly rush in to save Ukr before, so the base level policy isn't going to change as a practical matter.

B/B

In regards to the Russia versus Ukraine question for the most part I wish to remain neutral because I see merits to the arguments of both sides. I did note that H. Clinton helped Putin via Rosatom corner American Uranium and that Bill Clinton was paid 500K for a speech, which caused me to be labeled a "pro-Russian troll" in another place.

Furthermore Trump wants to increase US oil production which would not benefit the Russian economy. OTOH Rex Tillerman wants to make "win win" deals for himself and the USA.

Having said all that this article is not encouraging (I don't really agree with it one way or the other, I'm just posting it).

http://windowoneurasia2.blogspot.com/2016/12/no-matter-how-much-trump-may-want-to-he.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 06, 2017, 04:18:19 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 06, 2017, 04:07:58 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 06, 2017, 10:02:03 AM
Nobody is saying anything about Ukraine openly trying to trash Trump and sway support over to the HC camp, that was a blatant attempt to manipulate the US elections...

No sanctions against them for interfering.... :chuckle:

As a guy who spends a lot of time in Ukeland, the Ukrs that I know generally favor the GOP, because the view is that the GOP (prior to Trump) was more likely to stand up to Russia. They are worried now about the perceived close relationship b/w Trump and Putin, but it's not like Trump is Putin's stooge, so not much to worry about. Obama didn't exactly rush in to save Ukr before, so the base level policy isn't going to change as a practical matter.

B/B

That is not the point...

Russia is being singled out for "Supposedly" helping Trump.. (covertly)
Therefore, any country who also interfered, i.e. Ukraine, Germany, France supporting HC, should also be sanctioned..(Openly)
What's good for the goose, is also good for the gander

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 04:21:29 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 03:58:45 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 08:10:31 AM
Quote from: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 02:46:45 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2017, 08:43:56 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on January 05, 2017, 07:40:27 PM
Maybe a little payback for Obama's decision on the Russians?

Report: Trump orders ambassadors to leave posts by inauguration

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/312965-report-trump-orders-ambassadors-to-leave-posts-by-inauguration

I was thinking the same. :thumbsup:

The headline is misleading. He has changed the protocol for politically appointed ambassadors. But there is a mechanism for the ambassadors to remain until another successor is in place.

On the other hand any politically appointed ambassador that did not start making plans in mid November should not be an ambassador.

The NY Times seems to disagree with your assessment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/us/politics/trump-ambassadors.html?_r=0

We can assume reading comprehension Confederate is not a strong skill of yours.

From the New York Times article that you mention; The State Department informed all politically appointed ambassadors in a letter the day after the election that they were to submit letters of resignation effective Jan. 20. It instructed those who wanted to seek extensions to submit formal requests explaining their justifications.

The article like the other noted are attempts by the media to paint Mr. Trump in a negative light. You are free to read what ever you want but perhaps the Sunday cartons are a better place to start.

Okay Av I read the entire article, again. The first time I read it I did read the entire thing but quickly. This time I read it more carefully. I don't see the part you are claiming about "those who wanted to seek extensions to submit formal requests explaining their justifications" being in force AFTER November 9th when it was issued.

The entire tone of the article is negative and claims Trump is breaking with past precedent.

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

READING COMPREHENSION?? Good one Av. You tried to correct me with a State Dept Statement made on November 9th. Notice Trump's policy came after that.

Confederate 1

AvHdB 0

I can see clearly why Andrew treats you the way he does.... :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 04:23:15 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 06, 2017, 04:18:19 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 06, 2017, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 06, 2017, 10:02:03 AM
Nobody is saying anything about Ukraine openly trying to trash Trump and sway support over to the HC camp, that was a blatant attempt to manipulate the US elections...

No sanctions against them for interfering.... :chuckle:

As a guy who spends a lot of time in Ukeland, the Ukrs that I know generally favor the GOP, because the view is that the GOP (prior to Trump) was more likely to stand up to Russia. They are worried now about the perceived close relationship b/w Trump and Putin, but it's not like Trump is Putin's stooge, so not much to worry about. Obama didn't exactly rush in to save Ukr before, so the base level policy isn't going to change as a practical matter.

B/B

That is not the point...

Russia is being singled out for "Supposedly" helping Trump.. (covertly)
Therefore, any country who also interfered, i.e. Ukraine, Germany, France supporting HC, should also be sanctioned..(Openly)
What's good for the goose, is also good for the gander

I mostly agree except Trump is going to clean house and get rid of intelligence chiefs who are really nothing but political hacks; such as Clapper who was already caught telling a bold-faced lie to Congress previously.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 06, 2017, 04:52:38 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 06, 2017, 04:18:19 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 06, 2017, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 06, 2017, 10:02:03 AM
Nobody is saying anything about Ukraine openly trying to trash Trump and sway support over to the HC camp, that was a blatant attempt to manipulate the US elections...

No sanctions against them for interfering.... :chuckle:

As a guy who spends a lot of time in Ukeland, the Ukrs that I know generally favor the GOP, because the view is that the GOP (prior to Trump) was more likely to stand up to Russia. They are worried now about the perceived close relationship b/w Trump and Putin, but it's not like Trump is Putin's stooge, so not much to worry about. Obama didn't exactly rush in to save Ukr before, so the base level policy isn't going to change as a practical matter.

B/B

That is not the point...

Russia is being singled out for "Supposedly" helping Trump.. (covertly)
Therefore, any country who also interfered, i.e. Ukraine, Germany, France supporting HC, should also be sanctioned..(Openly)
What's good for the goose, is also good for the gander

Is there any evidence of Ukraine hacking the RNC or DNC?

Other countries do get to have their own opinions about US elections, although they do not necessarily voice them for diplomatic reasons. If you have any evidence of Ukraine doing anything illegal, under US law, I'm sure the Justice Dept would be happy to hear from you. Until then, the situations are not comparable.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 04:57:17 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 06, 2017, 04:52:38 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 06, 2017, 04:18:19 PM
Quote from: B.B. on January 06, 2017, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 06, 2017, 10:02:03 AM
Nobody is saying anything about Ukraine openly trying to trash Trump and sway support over to the HC camp, that was a blatant attempt to manipulate the US elections...

No sanctions against them for interfering.... :chuckle:

As a guy who spends a lot of time in Ukeland, the Ukrs that I know generally favor the GOP, because the view is that the GOP (prior to Trump) was more likely to stand up to Russia. They are worried now about the perceived close relationship b/w Trump and Putin, but it's not like Trump is Putin's stooge, so not much to worry about. Obama didn't exactly rush in to save Ukr before, so the base level policy isn't going to change as a practical matter.

B/B

That is not the point...

Russia is being singled out for "Supposedly" helping Trump.. (covertly)
Therefore, any country who also interfered, i.e. Ukraine, Germany, France supporting HC, should also be sanctioned..(Openly)
What's good for the goose, is also good for the gander

Is there any evidence of Ukraine hacking the RNC or DNC?

Other countries do get to have their own opinions about US elections, although they do not necessarily voice them for diplomatic reasons. If you have any evidence of Ukraine doing anything illegal, under US law, I'm sure the Justice Dept would be happy to hear from you. Until then, the situations are not comparable.

B/B

Ukraine claims they hacked a Putin insider, claiming to prove Russia's active involvement in the conflict in the East.

I heard rumors from a guy I knew who was into monitoring hackers that a group of Ukrainian hackers did indeed break US law in efforts to steal CC numbers and other financial fraud which they profited from.

Just curious, are you saying you believe that Russia hacked our election, in a major way? I cannot believe any of the claims. They take minor stuff and blow it way out of proportion.

McAfee has come out and called the allegations ludicrous.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-30/john-mcafee-i-can-guarantee-you-it-was-not-russians

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 04:58:10 PM

Confederate,

Stripped of images here is the text of the article from the New York Times. I highlighted in bold for the ease of your reading attention span the part that I noted up thread.

In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVISJAN. 5, 2017

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

Mr. Trump, by contrast, has taken a hard line against leaving any of President Obama’s political appointees in place as he prepares to take office on Jan. 20 with a mission of dismantling many of his predecessor’s signature foreign and domestic policy achievements. “Political” ambassadors, many of them major donors who are nominated by virtue of close ties with the president, almost always leave at the end of his term; ambassadors who are career diplomats often remain in their posts.

A senior Trump transition official said there was no ill will in the move, describing it as a simple matter of ensuring that Mr. Obama’s overseas appointees leave the government on schedule, just as thousands of political aides at the White House and in federal agencies must do. The official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity about internal deliberations, said the ambassadors should not be surprised about being held to a hard end date.

The directive has nonetheless upended the personal lives of many ambassadors, who are scrambling to secure living arrangements and acquire visas allowing them to remain in their countries so their children can remain in school, the diplomats said. They spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to comment publicly on the matter.

In Costa Rica, Ambassador Stafford Fitzgerald Haney is hunting for a house or an apartment as his family — which includes four school-age children and his wife, who has been battling breast cancer — struggles to figure out how to avoid a move back to the United States with five months left in the school year, according to the diplomats.

In the Czech Republic, they said, Ambassador Andrew H. Schapiro is seeking housing in Prague as well as lobbying his children’s Chicago-based school to break with policy and accept them back midyear. In Brussels and Geneva, Denise Bauer, the United States ambassador to Belgium, and Pamela Hamamoto, the permanent representative to the United Nations, are both trying to find a way to keep daughters from having to move just months before their high school graduation.

Ronald E. Neumann, the president of the American Academy of Diplomacy, a Washington-based nonprofit association for former ambassadors and senior diplomats, said it was reasonable to expect ambassadors to return at the end of a term, given that they are direct representatives of the president with broad grants of authority. But he could not recall an occasion on which such a strict timeline had been applied.

“When you have people out there whose only reason for being an ambassador is their political connection to the outgoing president of a different party, it’s pretty logical to say they should leave,” said Mr. Neumann, a career Foreign Service officer who held ambassadorships in Algeria, Bahrain and Afghanistan. “But I don’t recollect there was ever a guillotine in January where it was just, ‘Everybody out of the pool immediately.’”

W. Robert Pearson, a former ambassador to Turkey and a scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington, said the rule was “quite extraordinary,” adding that it could undermine American interests and signal a hasty change in direction that exacerbates jitters among allies about their relationships with the new administration.

With the world already primed to be worrying about such an abrupt change, “this is just a very concrete signal that it is going to happen,” Mr. Pearson said.

At a White House farewell reception that Mr. Obama held on Wednesday night for noncareer ambassadors, many of them commiserated, attendees said, comparing notes about how to handle the situation.

Some expressed dismay that Mr. Trump, whose wife, Melania, has chosen to stay in New York to avoid moving the couple’s 10-year-old son, Barron, to a new school midyear, would not ensure that such allowances were made for American ambassadors.

They are weighing a direct appeal to Rex W. Tillerson, Mr. Trump’s nominee for secretary of state, or other top transition officials to reconsider the policy.

Derek Shearer, a professor of diplomacy at Occidental College who is a former United States ambassador to Finland, said it was difficult to see a rationale for the decision. “It feels like there’s an element just of spite and payback in it,” he said. “I don’t see a higher policy motive.”

The State Department informed all politically appointed ambassadors in a letter the day after the election that they were to submit letters of resignation effective Jan. 20. It instructed those who wanted to seek extensions to submit formal requests explaining their justifications.

Incoming presidents of both parties have often made exceptions to allow ambassadors to wrap up personal affairs and important diplomatic business while their successors were in the confirmation process, which can take months. Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Mr. Obama all granted extensions for a few politically appointed ambassadors.

Former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell offered particularly wide latitude to ambassadors facing family issues, said Marc Grossman, a longtime diplomat and former top State Department official who is vice chairman of the Cohen Group, a Washington consultancy.

“This was something that was important to Secretary Powell because of his own experience living and serving all over the world, so when people asked him, ‘Could I stay another couple of weeks, couple of months; my kids are finishing school,’ he was very accommodating,” Mr. Grossman said, adding that his flexibility was an “exception” to the general practice. “He was trying to, I think, send a message that family was important.”

A version of this article appears in print on January 6, 2017, on Page A13 of the New York edition with the headline: In Break With Precedent, Obama Ambassadors Are Denied Extensions Past Jan. 20.

Since no specific instances of a denial of a request for extension are noted I suspect it is a bunch of grumpy Democratic 'ambassadors' and a reporter with an agenda.

I am reminded though of a quote from S. Clemens aka Mark Twain that applies to you."A person who won't read has no advantage over a person who can't read'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 05:01:40 PM

Av what part of "the day after the election" can you not understand? The part you bolded was made by OBAMA's State Dept the day after the election which was November 9, 2016.

Trump's new edict, different than the past, was issued December 23, 2016.

Capiche???? Jeez.

Go back up thread and READ and hopefully COMPREHEND the part I bolded for you, issued December 23.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 05:13:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 05:01:40 PM

Av what part of "the day after the election" can you not understand? The part you bolded was made by OBAMA's State Dept the day after the election which was November 9, 2016.

Trump's new edict, different than the past, was issued December 23, 2016.

Capiche???? Jeez.

Go back up thread and READ and hopefully COMPREHEND the part I bolded for you, issued December 23.

It is senseless to have a discussion with you, [personal insults removed], Trump did not send any 'edict' out. It was a State Department communication sent to ambassadors on the 23rd of December.

For the good order Obama is still president and is responsible for the State Department.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 05:16:57 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 05:13:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 05:01:40 PM
Av what part of "the day after the election" can you not understand? The part you bolded was made by OBAMA's State Dept the day after the election which was November 9, 2016.

Trump's new edict, different than the past, was issued December 23, 2016.

Capiche???? Jeez.

Go back up thread and READ and hopefully COMPREHEND the part I bolded for you, issued December 23.

It is senseless to have a discussion with you, [personal insults removed], Trump did not send any 'edict' out. It was a State Department communication sent to ambassadors on the 23rd of December.

[personal insults removed]. You cannot comprehend that Trump's new policy is an update. The New York Times made this crystal clear. Good luck with your affliction. :Zzzzsleep:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 05:21:21 PM

[personal insults removed]

quote:

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 06, 2017, 05:24:19 PM

AV and Confederate: Please send each other PMs if you wish to insult each other. This is a public room.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 05:26:38 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 05:13:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 05:01:40 PM
Av what part of "the day after the election" can you not understand? The part you bolded was made by OBAMA's State Dept the day after the election which was November 9, 2016.

Trump's new edict, different than the past, was issued December 23, 2016.

Capiche???? Jeez.

Go back up thread and READ and hopefully COMPREHEND the part I bolded for you, issued December 23.

It is senseless to have a discussion with you, [personal insults removed],

Trump did not send any 'edict' out. It was a State Department communication sent to ambassadors on the 23rd of December.

Read again. Try harder. You can do it! It clearly states: Trump's transition team...issued an edict.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 05:32:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 05:26:38 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 05:13:19 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 05:01:40 PM
Av what part of "the day after the election" can you not understand? The part you bolded was made by OBAMA's State Dept the day after the election which was November 9, 2016.

Trump's new edict, different than the past, was issued December 23, 2016.

Capiche???? Jeez.

Go back up thread and READ and hopefully COMPREHEND the part I bolded for you, issued December 23.

It is senseless to have a discussion with you, [personal insults removed],

Trump did not send any 'edict' out. It was a State Department communication sent to ambassadors on the 23rd of December.

Read again. Try harder. You can do it! It clearly states: Trump's transition team...issued an edict.

Is it safe to assume they used carrier pigeons or perhaps an add in the classified sections? Trump can make as many edicts as he wishes, but can not get the State Department to do anything of his orders until the 20th of January.

The Obama State Department is following the established protocol. I am guessing the incoming Trump team will look at each individual diplomat on a case by case basis. I suspect they (team Trump) are doing this presently.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 05:37:30 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 05:32:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 05:26:38 PM
Quote from: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 05:13:19 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 05:01:40 PM
Av what part of "the day after the election" can you not understand? The part you bolded was made by OBAMA's State Dept the day after the election which was November 9, 2016.

Trump's new edict, different than the past, was issued December 23, 2016.

Capiche???? Jeez.

Go back up thread and READ and hopefully COMPREHEND the part I bolded for you, issued December 23.

It is senseless to have a discussion with you, [personal insults removed],

Trump did not send any 'edict' out. It was a State Department communication sent to ambassadors on the 23rd of December.

Read again. Try harder. You can do it! It clearly states: Trump's transition team...issued an edict.

Is it safe to assume they used carrier pigeons or perhaps an add in the classified sections? Trump can make as many edicts as he wishes, but can not get the State Department to do anything of his orders until the 20th of January.

The Obama State Department is following the established protocol. I am guessing the incoming Trump team will look at each individual diplomat on a case by case basis. I suspect they (team Trump) are doing this presently.

The article is crystal clear. You're "guessing" because you've got egg all over your face. I'm done with you. Andrew can slice and dice you when he wants to.

Quote:

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 05:41:08 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 05:37:30 PM

I'm done with you.

That is a generous Christmas gift. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 06, 2017, 05:46:17 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 05:37:30 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 05:32:57 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 05:26:38 PM
Quote from: AvHdB on January 06, 2017, 05:13:19 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 05:01:40 PM
Av what part of "the day after the election" can you not understand? The part you bolded was made by OBAMA's State Dept the day after the election which was November 9, 2016.

Trump's new edict, different than the past, was issued December 23, 2016.

Capiche???? Jeez.

Go back up thread and READ and hopefully COMPREHEND the part I bolded for you, issued December 23.

It is senseless to have a discussion with you, [personal insults removed],

Trump did not send any 'edict' out. It was a State Department communication sent to ambassadors on the 23rd of December.

Read again. Try harder. You can do it! It clearly states: Trump's transition team...issued an edict.

Is it safe to assume they used carrier pigeons or perhaps an add in the classified sections? Trump can make as many edicts as he wishes, but can not get the State Department to do anything of his orders until the 20th of January.

The Obama State Department is following the established protocol. I am guessing the incoming Trump team will look at each individual diplomat on a case by case basis. I suspect they (team Trump) are doing this presently.

The article is crystal clear. You're "guessing" because you've got egg all over your face. I'm done with you. Andrew can slice and dice you when he wants to.

Quote:

WASHINGTON — President-elect Donald J. Trump’s transition staff has issued a blanket edict requiring politically appointed ambassadors to leave their overseas posts by Inauguration Day, according to several American diplomats familiar with the plan, breaking with decades of precedent by declining to provide even the briefest of grace periods.

The mandate — issued “without exceptions,” according to a terse State Department cable sent on Dec. 23, diplomats who saw it said — threatens to leave the United States without Senate-confirmed envoys for months in critical nations like Germany, Canada and Britain. In the past, administrations of both parties have often granted extensions on a case-by-case basis to allow a handful of ambassadors, particularly those with school-age children, to remain in place for weeks or months.

Seems fairly clear to me.
In Break With Precedent, Obama Envoys Are Denied Extensions Past Inauguration Day

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/us/politics/trump-ambassadors.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 05:48:56 PM

Mr. Shakespeare should get a good laugh out of this one. :laugh:

https://twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/815893881069785089

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 08:05:28 PM

^Thanks Tom for your support. That article was crystal clear. After that debacle I can see why some Russian women lose patience with certain posers.

Moving on, this video is very enjoyable. I loved Biden's firmness at the end. I especially liked it when security forcibly and aggressively pushed out a couple of crybaby protesters.

I can't wait until Trump allows the Police and other security services to aggressively stop the nonsense of BLM and other special "snowflakes".

https://twitter.com/asamjulian/status/817546963390496769

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on January 06, 2017, 09:07:02 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2017, 07:55:06 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on January 05, 2017, 07:20:48 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2017, 06:10:23 PM
Real hope and change is coming soon! God it feels good knowing this.

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?p0=263&iso=20170120T00&msg=Time%20left%20until%20Obama%20leaves%20office"

Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2017, 03:01:35 PM
Wow! The power of just one Donald J. Trump tweet is very impressive!

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/817123736096821248
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Confederate when/if you get laid, are your final pelvic thrusts of you blurring out, 'TRUMP!-TRUMP!!-TRUMP! Oh god ohh TRuuuuuP!

hey Cornhollio, did you know that Jobless figures just came out? 94 Million Americans are not employed. So much for the Obama "recovery".

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/worst-president-ever-obamas-94-million-jobless-americans/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1fm5VzVEAAY3fD.jpg)

I suck at math. But I'm gonna go with the US population of 310million. Now since they don't say employable Americans, I'll assume that they were skewing the facts and included the youngsters and seniors.
Oh and how many more million did the population grow in the US since Obama came to power?
If you seriously think 90 million people are looking for work in the US you probably believe everything Trump says as well. Oh wait....

Recall it said people not in the workforce. :drunk:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on January 06, 2017, 09:09:49 PM

For those who think Trump tweets and billion dollar corporations jump.

6https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154222945273059&id=13152108058

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 06, 2017, 09:32:43 PM

"People over age 16 who are no longer working or even looking for work, for whatever reason (retirement, school, personal preference, or gave up), are counted as not participating in the labor force.

When President Obama took office in January 2009, 80,529,000 Americans were not in the labor force, the highest number on record. That number rose steadily during his two terms, reaching a record 95,055,000 in November 2016, then setting another record (95,102,000) in December.

BLS said the December unemployment rate increased a tenth of a point to 4.7 percent, well below the Obama-era high of 10 percent. Last month, a record 152,111,000 Americans were counted as employed, up 63,000 from November; and the number of unemployed stood at 7,529,000, an increase of 120,000 from the prior month.

But people who stop looking for a job are no longer counted as unemployed.

In an interview with a Chicago reporter yesterday, Obama said he has done "an enormous amount" to create greater economic opportunity for Americans.

"I took an economy that was about to go into a Great Depression, and we've now had a little over six years of straight economic job growth, an unemployment rate that's down below 5 percent, and incomes that have gone up and poverty that has gone down." "

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2017, 11:30:26 PM

Quote from: Maxx on January 06, 2017, 09:32:43 PM

"People over age 16 who are no longer working or even looking for work, for whatever reason (retirement, school, personal preference, or gave up), are counted as not participating in the labor force.

When President Obama took office in January 2009, 80,529,000 Americans were not in the labor force, the highest number on record. That number rose steadily during his two terms, reaching a record 95,055,000 in November 2016, then setting another record (95,102,000) in December.

BLS said the December unemployment rate increased a tenth of a point to 4.7 percent, well below the Obama-era high of 10 percent. Last month, a record 152,111,000 Americans were counted as employed, up 63,000 from November; and the number of unemployed stood at 7,529,000, an increase of 120,000 from the prior month.

But people who stop looking for a job are no longer counted as unemployed.

In an interview with a Chicago reporter yesterday, Obama said he has done "an enormous amount" to create greater economic opportunity for Americans.

"I took an economy that was about to go into a Great Depression, and we've now had a little over six years of straight economic job growth, an unemployment rate that's down below 5 percent, and incomes that have gone up and poverty that has gone down." "

Real unemployment is around 10%. Obama has been relying on trick numbers due to those who drop out long enough to where economists no longer count them so the figures can be rigged downwards.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1i9e-8UQAIjbA5.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 07, 2017, 10:13:14 AM

Couple of quotes from D.Trump.

Having a good relationship with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing. Only "stupid" people, or fools, would think that it is bad!

Trump also said the hacking was possible only because of "gross negligence" by the Democratic National Committee, and that the cyberattack "is discussed" only because of Democrats' embarrassment over their loss

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-touts-benefits-us-good-relationship-russia-blames/story?id=44618467

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 07, 2017, 12:06:38 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 07, 2017, 10:13:14 AM

Having a good relationship with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing. Only "stupid" people, or fools, would think that it is bad!

I saw that on Trump's social media today. The man says many things that are simple common sense; that has been lacking from US leadership in recent years.

It isnt difficult to see why folks voted for him. An incorruptible bloke, with common sense, who isn't part of the corrupt neocon establishment. A bloke who says things that all politicians should be saying. Not difficult to see why him and Farage get along.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2017, 02:32:42 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 07, 2017, 12:06:38 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 07, 2017, 10:13:14 AM
Having a good relationship with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing. Only "stupid" people, or fools, would think that it is bad!

I saw that on Trump's social media today. The man says many things that are simple common sense; that has been lacking from US leadership in recent years.

It isnt difficult to see why folks voted for him. An incorruptible bloke, with common sense, who isn't part of the corrupt neocon establishment. A bloke who says things that all politicians should be saying. Not difficult to see why him and Farage get along.

Hussein O. himself said this.

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/817727972501229571

All this whining about alleged hacking is just sour grapes because the Democrats lost. And it's a deflection away from the horrible record of the outgoing administration. Just a distraction for the sheep to keep them unhappy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2017, 03:20:52 PM

Very strong; I like it.

http://www.mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/2581641

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2017, 04:31:53 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on January 06, 2017, 09:07:02 PM

I suck at math. But I'm gonna go with the US population of 310million. Now since they don't say employable Americans, I'll assume that they were skewing the facts and included the youngsters and seniors.
Oh and how many more million did the population grow in the US since Obama came to power?
If you seriously think 90 million people are looking for work in the US you probably believe everything Trump says as well. Oh wait....

Recall it said people not in the workforce. :drunk:

hey Cornhollio, you say you suck at math? you also seem to lack an understanding of which party believes in equality, and which party panders in order to maintain a false narrative. This might help you.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1BY2RRW8AAV7to.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2017, 02:59:14 PM

Trump continues to win business investments for the USA. #MAGA!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/08/fiat-chrysler-announces-1-billion-investment-in-u-s-manufacturing-2000-new-jobs.amp.html?client=safari

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 09, 2017, 09:43:46 AM

Yesterday evening were the Golden Globe awards and several celebrities used the opportunity to criticize President elect Trump. Meryl Streep in particular did her best to shame him. Naturally it's the usual Hollywood bubble where these stars cannot fathom that for every finger they poke into the public's eyes there should be a handful of fingers poking them back.

http://myfox8.com/2017/01/09/donald-trump-responds-to-meryl-streeps-golden-globes-speech/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 09, 2017, 12:42:04 PM

Alibaba job boom: Jack Ma chats with Trump about how to create 1 million US jobs over 5 years

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/09/alibaba-to-discuss-expansion-plans-with-trump-company-aims-to-create-1-million-us-jobs-over-the-next-5-years.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: el_guero on January 09, 2017, 04:13:50 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 07, 2017, 02:32:42 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 07, 2017, 12:06:38 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on January 07, 2017, 10:13:14 AM
Having a good relationship with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing. Only "stupid" people, or fools, would think that it is bad!

I saw that on Trump's social media today. The man says many things that are simple common sense; that has been lacking from US leadership in recent years.

It isnt difficult to see why folks voted for him. An incorruptible bloke, with common sense, who isn't part of the corrupt neocon establishment. A bloke who says things that all politicians should be saying. Not difficult to see why him and Farage get along.

Hussein O. himself said this.

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/817727972501229571

All this whining about alleged hacking is just sour grapes because the Democrats lost. And it's a deflection away from the horrible record of the outgoing administration. Just a distraction for the sheep to keep them unhappy.

Surely, the great ObamaNation did NOT say any such thing.

It was the NKVD coming back and hacking the voice feed just to throw an election ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 09, 2017, 05:29:52 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 09, 2017, 12:42:04 PM

Alibaba job boom: Jack Ma chats with Trump about how to create 1 million US jobs over 5 years

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/09/alibaba-to-discuss-expansion-plans-with-trump-company-aims-to-create-1-million-us-jobs-over-the-next-5-years.html

Trump keeps winning new business and new investment for the USA.

The community organizer claimed it could not be done. Expectation equaled results in his case.

It can be done and is because Trump is attuned to success and he attracts those of similar mind who want to do deals.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 10, 2017, 05:44:02 PM

Small business confidence at a 12 year high due to Trump.

http://fortune.com/2017/01/10/small-business-confidence-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 10, 2017, 05:51:54 PM

The election has long passed, but the Washington post continues to use biased polls to spread their anti-Trump agenda.

This new poll has all kinds of bad news for Donald Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/10/this-new-poll-has-all-kinds-of-bad-news-for-donald-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 10, 2017, 08:11:46 PM

Wednesday morning at 11:00 am. Eastern time zone, President elect Donald Trump will have a press conference. Most of the major T.V. news stations will broadcast the event.

I just finished watching Obama's farewell speach, will say his fiction based speech did not impress. :Zzzzsleep:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 10, 2017, 09:22:36 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C12i1ttW8AAP_pG.jpg:large)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 10, 2017, 09:24:55 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 10, 2017, 08:11:46 PM

Wednesday morning at 11:00 am. Eastern time zone, President elect Donald Trump will have a press conference. Most of the major T.V. news stations will broadcast the event.

I just finished watching Obama's farewell speach, will say his fiction based speech did not impress. :Zzzzsleep:

I won't even give that jerk a few seconds anymore. No way I would watch his speech. He's mocked Americans for 8 years while he sided with Muslims and other hateful groups like BLM time and time again. In fact I blame Hussein O. for the war on the Police and I blame him for the turmoil overseas.

Good riddance Hussein O. we won't miss you. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM

IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 11, 2017, 02:53:35 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM

IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

I saw this today. There's usually no smoke without fire and I remain sceptical of a bitter establishment losing an important victory but it does make you wonder? I find it impossible that Russia could significantly influence the elections and lets face it, Hillary did it all on her own. It's also ridiculous to fantasise that Trump is a Putin plant and you'd hope that it's just a healthy relationship.

Stranger things have happened however and Uncle Sam is more capable than most.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 03:04:50 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 11, 2017, 02:53:35 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM
IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

I saw this today. There's usually no smoke without fire and I remain sceptical of a bitter establishment losing an important victory but it does make you wonder? I find it impossible that Russia could significantly influence the elections and lets face it, Hillary did it all on her own. It's also ridiculous to fantasise that Trump is a Putin plant and you'd hope that it's just a healthy relationship.

Stranger things have happened however and Uncle Sam is more capable than most.

Ditto....
Just hope that its all a load of Moby waffle.... :laugh:
Let's wait and see what Cornfed makes of it... ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM

IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 03:20:11 AM

Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM
IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

That was awaited...
Still though, a problem for Trump to solve as the losers will try to make some form of headwind with it I think...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 11, 2017, 03:35:04 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM

IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

Reads more like the script of a movie than any serious report.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 11, 2017, 05:08:44 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

With art I can quickly identify different artists copying and creating the same image or subject. I have the sense though that it is the same 'pen' to all the reports posted. I also sense there are holes or inconsistencies in some dates and simple facts.

In particular the events in St. Petersburg.

That there is no background info on the 'source' releasing these 'documents' is odd.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 11, 2017, 05:28:11 AM

Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

The latter being a validation ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2017, 05:35:59 AM

Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM
IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

It's a last ditch effort by the Dumbocrats to embarrass Trump before he takes a bulldozer to all their pet projects such as Sanctuary cities which are nothing more than places for hard-core Mexican cartel felons to hang out.

Totally fabricated it was a set up by 4chan a twitter presence who loves to Eff with TPTB.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/10/4chan-claims-they-invented-the-trump-golden-showers-story.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2017, 05:38:18 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 11, 2017, 02:53:35 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM
IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

I saw this today. There's usually no smoke without fire and I remain sceptical of a bitter establishment losing an important victory but it does make you wonder? I find it impossible that Russia could significantly influence the elections and lets face it, Hillary did it all on her own. It's also ridiculous to fantasise that Trump is a Putin plant and you'd hope that it's just a healthy relationship.

Stranger things have happened however and Uncle Sam is more capable than most.

You can be very certain that the political hacks in the FBI and elsewhere who allowed "golden showers" to become the latest "intelligence" fiasco will be gone very soon. Heads will roll.... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 05:42:12 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 11, 2017, 05:35:59 AM

Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM
IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

It's a last ditch effort by the Dumbocrats to embarrass Trump before he takes a bulldozer to all their pet projects such as Sanctuary cities which are nothing more than places for hard-core Mexican cartel felons to hang out. Totally fabricated it was a set up by 4chan a twitter presence who loves to Eff with TPTB.

I see it as being aimed at stopping Trump from getting too close to Russia..
Obviously its from the current incumbent, possibly also to force Trump into following their will..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2017, 05:43:53 AM

For those interested this will give you some background on the Wilson loser (campaign mgr for McMuffin aka Evan McMillan a CIA operative and LOSER who tried to derail Trump's ascension to power)

http://ibankcoin.com/flyblog/2017/01/11/how-4chan-mcfooled-john-mccain-buzzfeed-and-the-cia-into-believing-trumps-golden-showers/

edit to add: a much better synopsis

The day 4chan trolled neocons, intelligence agencies and the mainstream media

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2017, 05:45:20 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 05:42:12 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 11, 2017, 05:35:59 AM
Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM
IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

It's a last ditch effort by the Dumbocrats to embarrass Trump before he takes a bulldozer to all their pet projects such as Sanctuary cities which are nothing more than places for hard-core Mexican cartel felons to hang out. Totally fabricated it was a set up by 4chan a twitter presence who loves to Eff with TPTB.

I see it as being aimed at stopping Trump from getting too close to Russia..
Obviously its from the current incumbent, possibly also to force Trump into following their will..

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: (keep dreaming)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 05:49:25 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 11, 2017, 05:45:20 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 05:42:12 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 11, 2017, 05:35:59 AM
Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM
IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

It's a last ditch effort by the Dumbocrats to embarrass Trump before he takes a bulldozer to all their pet projects such as Sanctuary cities which are nothing more than places for hard-core Mexican cartel felons to hang out. Totally fabricated it was a set up by 4chan a twitter presence who loves to Eff with TPTB.

I see it as being aimed at stopping Trump from getting too close to Russia..
Obviously its from the current incumbent, possibly also to force Trump into following their will..

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: (keep dreaming)

Now explain as to why I should keep dreaming???

Note, re-read what I wrote...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2017, 05:53:34 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 05:49:25 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 11, 2017, 05:45:20 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 05:42:12 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 11, 2017, 05:35:59 AM
Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM
IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

It's a last ditch effort by the Dumbocrats to embarrass Trump before he takes a bulldozer to all their pet projects such as Sanctuary cities which are nothing more than places for hard-core Mexican cartel felons to hang out. Totally fabricated it was a set up by 4chan a twitter presence who loves to Eff with TPTB.

I see it as being aimed at stopping Trump from getting too close to Russia..
Obviously its from the current incumbent, possibly also to force Trump into following their will..

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: (keep dreaming)

Now explain as to why I should keep dreaming???

Note, re-read what I wrote...

I already read what you wrote. My comment "keep dreaming" is not directed at you. It's directed at the severely incompetent political apes who thought this BS might get some traction. 4chan trolled these morons and they fell for it; end of story.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2017, 06:09:26 AM

Lame duck lame-brain Hussein O. gave a farewell speech. Here's my immediate take on his Presidency.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/obama-has-presided-over-5-6-largest-deficits-us-history

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 11, 2017, 06:39:17 AM

Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM
IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

Sadly, mud sticks.

Even if it turns out to be lies, snowflakes the world over will associate Trump with the fantasy stories and they'll be aggressively typing away on social media threads telling the world how unfair life is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2017, 07:01:35 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 11, 2017, 06:39:17 AM

Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM
IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

Sadly, mud sticks.

Even if it turns out to be lies, snowflakes the world over will associate Trump with the fantasy stories and they'll be aggressively typing away on social media threads telling the world how unfair life is.

They would be anyways. It doesn't matter if it's this fabricated BS or the next bit of fabricated BS. Their lives revolve around these kind of social media rumors. Just take a good look at the wild pronouncements of Mohobism regarding Brexit.

Meanwhile Trump has been doing the Peoples business. His nominees Rex Tillerson for Sec. of State and Senator Jeff Sessions for Attorney General are in hearings in Congress today. He's already saved or created thousands of jobs and he's not even sworn in yet. Life goes on in the real world. :coffeeread:

ps. For those who don't know there will be a President elect Trump press conference at 11AM Eastern time this morning.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on January 11, 2017, 08:15:23 AM

Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

Well that's all I needed to read, if the Kremlin denies it, it has to be the truth...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on January 11, 2017, 08:54:08 AM

I can only think there lots of people in the CIA and NSA who want to take early retirement.

First order on 20th January - No public statements by the security services without prior approval of the Oval Office.

Spend a week drawing up the retirement and transfer list.

27th January - Wipe the slate clean and build new departments to cover Russia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 11, 2017, 08:55:20 AM

PRESIDENTIAL TRANSITION

Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 11, 2017, 10:39:37 AM

Trump did not disappoint in his trashing of buzz feed and CNN for reporting the latest fake news.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 11, 2017, 10:47:00 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM

IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

Looks like CNN and the rest of the MSM got punked by 4Chan.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 11, 2017, 11:53:17 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on January 11, 2017, 08:15:23 AM

Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

Well that's all I needed to read, if the Kremlin denies it, it has to be the truth...

Thus writes the man whose grandparents might well have been the people that Eduard de Bernays had in mind when writing his seminal works on propaganda and public relations.

Proof if more were needed that apples fall not far from the tree.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 11, 2017, 11:58:39 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 11, 2017, 10:47:00 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM
IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

Looks like CNN and the rest of the MSM got punked by 4Chan.

B/B

Not just the 'news' media but also the 'intelligence' agencies tasked with keeping the organs of state aware of of the social, legal, economic and political environment around the world. Sadly, whilst the United States is a laughing stock the laughter is a sardonic sort of a chuckle strongly tinged with fear for what is surely coming along as the stock of the United States falls, inevitably, further.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2017, 12:42:34 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 11, 2017, 10:47:00 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM
IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

Looks like CNN and the rest of the MSM got punked by 4Chan.

B/B

I mentioned that up thread and I posted a couple of links in regards to that. Essentially it looks like sort of payback for a net feud between Wilson a McMullin guy and @trsprudence. It's really unbelievable that a net news source printed it.

I can only imagine how quickly the fools who fell for this will be unemployed. Payback's a bitch and seeing what Trump did to the associate of Kasich in Ohio there's going to be a thorough house cleaning.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2017, 12:46:22 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 11, 2017, 11:53:17 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on January 11, 2017, 08:15:23 AM
Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

Well that's all I needed to read, if the Kremlin denies it, it has to be the truth...

Thus writes the man whose grandparents might well have been the people that Eduard de Bernays had in mind when writing his seminal works on propaganda and public relations.

Proof if more were needed that apples fall not far from the tree.

Poor Cornhollio. Have you ever considered that other people are also in complete agreement with the Kremlin Don? I mean do you ever even remotely try to dig, contemplate and learn? The so-called "intelligence" report is riddled with mistakes; an obvious work of an amateur.

Sadly Andrew is correct when discussing the victims of propaganda. This piece of propaganda was so blatantly false and juvenile that all of the mainstream media outlets passed on it initially. It's only being discussed because "buzzfeed" printed it.

https://twitter.com/ThePatriot143/status/819055831975137280

https://twitter.com/MissLizzyNJ/status/819175794371084288

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C13WyyuWgAEte6A.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2017, 12:59:35 PM

Trump statement on this nonsense.

https://twitter.com/MamaReg2/status/819232843452780545

at the end of this a CNN reporter tries to get a question and Trump forcible shuts him down and declared CNN fake news. Hopefully a Sessions AG will go after the FCC license of CNN and others if they don't immediately clean up their act.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2017, 01:04:08 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 11, 2017, 10:39:37 AM

Trump did not disappoint in his trashing of buzz feed and CNN for reporting the latest fake news.

:thumbsup:

CNN is "FAKE news". No questions taken from the scum-bags.

https://twitter.com/JohnTDolan/status/819270101107167233

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2017, 01:05:28 PM

Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 08:54:08 AM

I can only think there lots of people in the CIA and NSA who want to take early retirement.

First order on 20th January - No public statements by the security services without prior approval of the Oval Office.

Spend a week drawing up the retirement and transfer list.

27th January - Wipe the slate clean and build new departments to cover Russia.

:thumbsup:

At a minimum!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C16pnyKUcAAiwZM.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2017, 02:36:08 PM

The email for John McCain should anyone wish to let him know what they think of this latest intelligence flop and of his warmongering in general. His voice box is full, not surprisingly.

senator_mccain@mccain.senate.gov

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on January 11, 2017, 03:42:59 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 11, 2017, 12:46:22 PM

y
Quote from: andrewfi on January 11, 2017, 11:53:17 AM
Quote from: Donhollio on January 11, 2017, 08:15:23 AM
Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

Well that's all I needed to read, if the Kremlin denies it, it has to be the truth...

Thus writes the man whose grandparents might well have been the people that Eduard de Bernays had in mind when writing his seminal works on propaganda and public relations.

Proof if more were needed that apples fall not far from the tree.

Poor Cornhollio. Have you ever considered that other people are also in complete agreement with the Kremlin Don? I mean do you ever even remotely try to dig, contemplate and learn? The so-called "intelligence" report is riddled with mistakes; an obvious work of an amateur.

Sadly Andrew is correct when discussing the victims of propaganda. This piece of propaganda was so blatantly false and juvenile that all of the mainstream media outlets passed on it initially. It's only being discussed because "buzzfeed" printed it.

https://twitter.com/ThePatriot143/status/819055831975137280

https://twitter.com/MissLizzyNJ/status/819175794371084288

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C13WyyuWgAEte6A.jpg)

And do you ever question anything coming out of Trump's big gob?
How about the Kremlin? No? Putin and the thugs run an honest syndicate over there? Opposing voices silenced but that's fine? Controlling the press and this is the right way to govern?
Insult deleted
CNN for years fave Trump all kinds of airtime. He'd watch and if he called in they'd put him on air, did for the past few years.
Maybe you need to go do some research and learn, and realise that what he did today is controlling the media. If anyone in tgat room had any integratyy they would of walked out on him.
The press has a right to ask questions in your country, if that is now lost then it's your democracy that is being to get etched away as well.

But please go find another fanatical rightwing blogger who spits out the words you want to hear. The sensible ones will watch with utter amazement that the sheep can still be herded by just one man.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 11, 2017, 09:01:46 PM

Intel Chief Releases Statement After Speaking to Trump: I Expressed ‘Profound Dismay’ at Leaks

http://www.mediaite.com/online/intel-chief-releases-statement-after-speaking-to-trump-i-expressed-profound-dismay-at-leaks/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2017, 09:54:05 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on January 11, 2017, 03:42:59 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 11, 2017, 12:46:22 PM
y
Quote from: andrewfi on January 11, 2017, 11:53:17 AM
Quote from: Donhollio on January 11, 2017, 08:15:23 AM
Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

Well that's all I needed to read, if the Kremlin denies it, it has to be the truth...

Thus writes the man whose grandparents might well have been the people that Eduard de Bernays had in mind when writing his seminal works on propaganda and public relations.

Proof if more were needed that apples fall not far from the tree.

Poor Cornhollio. Have you ever considered that other people are also in complete agreement with the Kremlin Don? I mean do you ever even remotely try to dig, contemplate and learn? The so-called "intelligence" report is riddled with mistakes; an obvious work of an amateur.

Sadly Andrew is correct when discussing the victims of propaganda. This piece of propaganda was so blatantly false and juvenile that all of the mainstream media outlets passed on it initially. It's only being discussed because "buzzfeed" printed it.

https://twitter.com/ThePatriot143/status/819055831975137280

https://twitter.com/MissLizzyNJ/status/819175794371084288

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C13WyyuWgAEte6A.jpg)

And do you ever question anything coming out of Trump's big gob?
How about the Kremlin? No? Putin and the thugs run an honest syndicate over there? Opposing voices silenced but that's fine? Controlling the press and this is the right way to govern?
Cornfed I have little doubt if Trump said to restart the ovens you'd be the first in line tossing the bodies in.
CNN for years fave Trump all kinds of airtime. He'd watch and if he called in they'd put him on air, did for the past few years.
Maybe you need to go do some research and learn, and realise that what he did today is controlling the media. If anyone in tgat room had any integratyy they would of walked out on him.
The press has a right to ask questions in your country, if that is now lost then it's your democracy that is being to get etched away as well.

But please go find another fanatical rightwing blogger who spits out the words you want to hear. The sensible ones will watch with utter amazement that the sheep can still be herded by just one man.

I'm not going to waste my time on you, and I notice you made a bunch of rude and false allegations about my character. You're a sick little troll.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2017, 09:59:21 PM

Insult deleted

We also discussed the private security company document, which was widely circulated in recent months among the media, members of Congress and Congressional staff even before the IC became aware of it. I emphasized that this document is not a U.S. Intelligence Community product and that I do not believe the leaks came from within the IC. The IC has not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable, and we did not rely upon it in any way for our conclusions. However, part of our obligation is to ensure that policymakers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security.

President-elect Trump again affirmed his appreciation for all the men and women serving in the Intelligence Community, and I assured him that the IC stands ready to serve his Administration and the American people.

James R. Clapper, Director of National Intelligence

WARNING DO NOT MAKE FURTHER PERSONAL INSULTS.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 12, 2017, 09:11:27 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 11, 2017, 09:59:21 PM

I would say: read this statement to

You made a comment in the previous post that was deleted. Then you made
an insult on the very next post. That is the way you get moderators on your
@ss and how you eventually get various forms of forum punishment.

All it takes is a little self control to keep yourself out of these situations.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 12, 2017, 11:54:47 AM

Quote from: Popka! on January 12, 2017, 09:11:27 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 11, 2017, 09:59:21 PM
I would say: read this statement to

You made a comment in the previous post that was deleted. Then you made
an insult on the very next post. That is the way you get moderators on your
@ss and how you eventually get various forms of forum punishment.

All it takes is a little self control to keep yourself out of these situations.

Are you one of the forum moderators? If so I suggest you go back and read what Cornhollio aka Donhollio first
wrote to me (too late, now deleted -- thank you REAL moderator) I never draw first blood; but I can assure you if somebody else does I will respond. The real moderators can do what they wish to do. It matters not to me -- if they believe that when I respond to a provocation and they wish to give "various forms of forum punishment" they can do that. I've got better things to do than make intelligent posts for 2 year old's without intellectual capacity.

Capiche Mr. Popka?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 12, 2017, 11:59:06 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 11, 2017, 09:59:21 PM

Insult deleted

We also discussed the private security company document, which was widely circulated in recent months among the media, members of Congress and Congressional staff even before the IC became aware of it. I emphasized that this document is not a U.S. Intelligence Community product and that I do not believe the leaks came from within the IC. The IC has not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable, and we did not rely upon it in any way for our conclusions. However, part of our obligation is to ensure that policymakers are provided with the fullest possible picture of any matters that might affect national security.

President-elect Trump again affirmed his appreciation for all the men and women serving in the Intelligence Community, and I assured him that the IC stands ready to serve his Administration and the American people.

James R. Clapper, Director of National Intelligence

WARNING DO NOT MAKE FURTHER PERSONAL INSULTS.

Point taken. Thank you real moderator.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 12, 2017, 12:07:19 PM

Although I disagreed with President Obama's policies nearly 100% of the time, I never disrespected his position as President of the United States. Reporters like Jim Acosta from CNN should have their White House Press privileges suspended if they cannot conduct themselves with proper respect and decorum when addressing President (elect) Trump. Acosta behaved like a privileged a$$hole. If somebody engaged in a shouting match like that with President Obama they would have been removed from the room. While CNN should maintain their seat in the White House briefing room, Acosta shouldn't be allowed in the White House until he apologizes to Trump individually and to the White House press corps as a whole for his rude and inappropriate behavior.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 12, 2017, 12:17:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 12, 2017, 12:07:19 PM

Although I disagreed with President Obama's policies nearly 100% of the time, I never disrespected his position as President of the United States. Reporters like Jim Acosta from CNN should have their White House Press privileges suspended if they cannot conduct themselves with proper respect and decorum when addressing President (elect) Trump. Acosta behaved like a privileged a$$hole. If somebody engaged in a shouting match like that with President Obama they would have been removed from the room. While CNN should maintain their seat in the White House briefing room, Acosta shouldn't be allowed in the White House until he apologizes to Trump individually and to the White House press corps as a whole for his rude and inappropriate behavior.

Wow! We certainly agree on this. Acosta was literally shouting at Trump and he did it over and over. Very poor manners especially considering that CNN had the bad taste to publish the obviously fake intel.

Personally I hope CNN gets dismantled or overhauled. People deserve real journalism, not parroting of deep state lies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 12, 2017, 12:26:04 PM

"Little" Marco Rubio has been giving Rex Tillerson a hard time in his confirmation hearing. Hopefully he will come around. More on the hearings.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/sessions-tillerson-and-chao-to-get-hearings-as-confirmations-plan-gets-slowed/2017/01/11/989138b4-d7b0-11e6-9f9f-5cdb4b7f8dd7_story.html?utm_term=.182887865d5a

I also consider Rex Tillerson’s experience and knowledge in business as an asset, as well as his knowledge of Russia. I think both are assets, not liabilities,” said Sam Nunn, a former Democratic senator from Georgia, one of several men who introduced Tillerson and vouched for his qualifications at the beginning of the hearing. Nunn is a nuclear nonproliferation expert.

Tillerson also received a warm introduction at the beginning of Wednesday’s hearing from former defense secretary Robert Gates, whom he called “my friend” and “superbly qualified” for the role.

“He would be candid and honest, willing to tell the president straight from the shoulder what he needs to hear,” Gates said. “He would bring decades of experience as a tough and successful negotiator with foreign governments to the position.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 12, 2017, 01:17:37 PM

Who cares who pays? Not having Trump's wall already costs us big

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/314022-who-cares-who-pays-not-having-trumps-wall-already-costs-us-big

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 12, 2017, 01:24:49 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 05:42:12 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 11, 2017, 05:35:59 AM
Quote from: leslied on January 11, 2017, 03:14:53 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 11, 2017, 02:35:32 AM
IF this report is true, then Trump has got BIG problems ahead, could even cost him the presidency...

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

False news. Made up Balony. Even the Kremlin has issued a denial.

It's a last ditch effort by the Dumbocrats to embarrass Trump before he takes a bulldozer to all their pet projects such as Sanctuary cities which are nothing more than places for hard-core Mexican cartel felons to hang out. Totally fabricated it was a set up by 4chan a twitter presence who loves to Eff with TPTB.

I see it as being aimed at stopping Trump from getting too close to Russia..
Obviously its from the current incumbent, possibly also to force Trump into following their will..

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1_y1NeUsAAjDpM.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 12, 2017, 02:12:46 PM

General Mattis as Sec of Defense is in like Flynn (the movie star not the other General).

https://twitter.com/RealJack/status/819642336196050944

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 12, 2017, 02:14:26 PM

An elderly Trump supporter speaks out.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0UaIBHWQAAxyAr.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 12, 2017, 03:06:13 PM

this may "trigger" some left wing nuts. all black marching band to perform at Trump inauguration.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/marching-band-historically-black-college-perform-trump-inauguration-leftists-outraged/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 12, 2017, 04:22:29 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 12, 2017, 12:07:19 PM

Although I disagreed with President Obama's policies nearly 100% of the time, I never disrespected his position as President of the United States. Reporters like Jim Acosta from CNN should have their White House Press privileges suspended if they cannot conduct themselves with proper respect and decorum when addressing President (elect) Trump. Acosta behaved like a privileged a$$hole. If somebody engaged in a shouting match like that with President Obama they would have been removed from the room. While CNN should maintain their seat in the White House briefing room, Acosta shouldn't be allowed in the White House until he apologizes to Trump individually and to the White House press corps as a whole for his rude and inappropriate behavior.

I totally agree with that. As far as I'm aware, no media bloke has ever addressed the presedent like that and he took advantage the situation. Whether trump should of handled it differently is one thing, but no president elect should give priority to a jumped up rude reporter.

That blokes manners were shocking, he was obviously anti trump but the mainstream once again picked on Donald for refusing to bow to poor manners. I'm at a loss how so many libtards get offended at the wrong stuff.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 12, 2017, 05:55:44 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 12, 2017, 11:54:47 AM

Are you one of the forum moderators?

I didn't see Don's insult, however in most forums members admonish other
members when they consider them out of line. That's the way it goes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 12, 2017, 06:44:12 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 12, 2017, 02:12:46 PM

General Mattis as Sec of Defense

I love it that our SecDef is called "Mad Dog". :chuckle:

Beyond that, if it was the Dems getting hit with all this, "PUTIN!!! RUSSIA!!! YEAAAARGH!!" nonsense they'd be shrieking "MCCARTHYISM!!!" and fleeing for their safe spaces.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 12, 2017, 09:32:12 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 12, 2017, 06:44:12 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 12, 2017, 02:12:46 PM
General Mattis as Sec of Defense

I love it that our SecDef is called "Mad Dog". :chuckle:

Beyond that, if it was the Dems getting hit with all this, "PUTIN!!! RUSSIA!!! YEAAAARGH!!" nonsense they'd be shrieking "MCCARTHYISM!!!" and fleeing for their safe spaces.

B/B

I'm not sure millennials know what McCarthyism is. They are sure wanting their "safe spaces" though. :laugh:

Just take a browse at the twitter feed of Rosie O'Donnnel. Trump Associative Resistance Disorder in full effect. Which reminds me, where is Tom lately? :chuckle:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2BaObMW8AQYyFd.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 12, 2017, 10:20:58 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 12, 2017, 12:07:19 PM

Reporters like Jim Acosta from CNN should have their White House Press privileges suspended if they cannot conduct themselves with proper respect and decorum when addressing President (elect) Trump. Acosta behaved like a privileged a$$hole. If somebody engaged in a shouting match like that with President Obama they would have been removed from the room.

One I believe he should have his White Press Privileges remove and end of story. CNN should be put on notice to keep their employees under control or other action might be taken.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 13, 2017, 01:59:16 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 12, 2017, 06:44:12 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 12, 2017, 02:12:46 PM
General Mattis as Sec of Defense

I love it that our SecDef is called "Mad Dog". :chuckle:

Beyond that, if it was the Dems getting hit with all this, "PUTIN!!! RUSSIA!!! YEAAAARGH!!" nonsense they'd be shrieking "MCCARTHYISM!!!" and fleeing for their safe spaces.

B/B

Maybe we need to return to the original name "the war department"

Hello Foreign minister Sand-Grub you have a call from Mad Dog Mattis
of the US War Department on line one.

That call probably doesn't get put on hold.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 13, 2017, 02:27:02 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2DrYOdUQAEMcTF.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 13, 2017, 02:37:24 PM

Trump: Hillary 'Guilty as Hell,' Should Not Have Been 'Allowed to Run'

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/768352?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1705499_01132017&s=al&dkt_nbr=zdi2ekf7&section=Politics&keywords=trump-hillary-fbi-twitter&year=2017&month=01&date=13&id=768352&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 13, 2017, 10:46:50 PM

Trump keeps winning, as always.

http://linkis.com/star-telegram.com/eIuHK

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 13, 2017, 11:14:19 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 04, 2017, 07:51:15 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 03, 2017, 09:14:13 PM
The Constitution protects the right of people to have stupid, silly ideas, until those ideas rise to the level of sedition, terrorism, etc.

My point exactly.

I'm all for stricter immigration controls. I'm all for confining confirmed terrorists at Getmo.

I'm just not ready to call a religion followed by 1 in 4 people in the world a cult and label ALL it's followers as terrorists.

https://twitter.com/888Scott/status/820111545149640704

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 13, 2017, 11:27:17 PM

There's a struggle right now between the "deep state" and Trump. Andy and a few others will understand this.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/01/13/virgil-deep-state-strikes-back-permanent-campaign-donald-trump/

youtube video with Dick Moris on this situation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 13, 2017, 11:57:55 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 13, 2017, 11:27:17 PM

There's a struggle right now between the "deep state" and Trump. Andy and a few others will understand this.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/01/13/virgil-deep-state-strikes-back-permanent-campaign-donald-trump/

youtube video with Dick Moris on this situation.

It seems to me that the self proclaimed Hierarchy in the US have NO interest in what the American people voted for.
Just like in the UK, the remainers THINK that they are and know better than others with a different viewpoint..
Trump is really going to have his work cut out for him with this..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2017, 08:43:20 AM

Trump fights back as he always does, against a vocal critic from Georgia.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-unleashes-twitter-attack-against-congressional-critic/ar-AAlRJKl?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 14, 2017, 08:49:07 AM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170114/de56e94596672599727116019660ea36.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 14, 2017, 08:55:35 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 14, 2017, 08:49:07 AM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170114/de56e94596672599727116019660ea36.jpg)

Good old fashioned Mr Plod treatment.... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2017, 10:04:17 AM

Trump is not going to stop tweeting, and it's one reason that We the People like him. We don't need to deal with the dishonest media manipulating his words and taking them out of context, we can read his thoughts directly from him. :-*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2017, 11:07:14 AM

Good music lined up for Inauguration day.

https://twitter.com/BorisEP/status/819937568829620224

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2017, 11:11:21 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 14, 2017, 08:49:07 AM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170114/de56e94596672599727116019660ea36.jpg)

The dishonest media says that Trump's nominees contradict him. That's okay! And we can read it directly from Trump, not from a media hack who twists his words or edits part of an interview out.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819858926455967744

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 14, 2017, 11:46:18 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 14, 2017, 11:07:14 AM

Good music lined up for Inauguration day.

https://twitter.com/BorisEP/status/819937568829620224

What? A Bruce Springsteen tribute band called 'The B Street Band'!!!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 14, 2017, 01:01:25 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 14, 2017, 11:46:18 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 14, 2017, 11:07:14 AM
Good music lined up for Inauguration day.

https://twitter.com/BorisEP/status/819937568829620224

What? A Bruce Springsteen tribute band called 'The B Street Band'!!!!

Maybe you would wish to "Shake their hands" also.... :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2017, 01:26:32 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 14, 2017, 11:46:18 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 14, 2017, 11:07:14 AM
Good music lined up for Inauguration day.

https://twitter.com/BorisEP/status/819937568829620224

What? A Bruce Springsteen tribute band called 'The B Street Band'!!!!

Imagine that! Springsteen music without the commie BS of Springsteen himself! Refreshing!

And don't forget patriotic country music star Toby Keith.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2017, 01:55:59 PM

Sean Spicer on CNN douche bag Acosta.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/12/sean-spicer-blasts-cnn-reporter-over-trump-dispute/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 14, 2017, 01:58:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 14, 2017, 01:26:32 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 14, 2017, 11:46:18 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 14, 2017, 11:07:14 AM
Good music lined up for Inauguration day.

https://twitter.com/BorisEP/status/819937568829620224

What? A Bruce Springsteen tribute band called 'The B Street Band'!!!!

Imagine that! Springsteen music without the commie BS of Springsteen himself! Refreshing!

And don't forget patriotic country music star Toby Keith.

If Trump could get John Denver to sing, I'd attend myself.... :whist11:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2017, 01:59:08 PM

Some liberals like the fat pig who won't move to Canada as she promised are threatening insurrection to stop Trump's Inauguration. I'm not really worried about it. How about you Ste? Mohabism?

(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15940900_10212221257714572_5787278261073935971_n.jpg?oh=10b5adcd203a5bf8468ef2569c7c8927&oe=590D7AF9)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2017, 02:05:59 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2KOwAnUAAA29g8.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on January 14, 2017, 02:28:35 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 14, 2017, 01:58:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 14, 2017, 01:26:32 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 14, 2017, 11:46:18 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 14, 2017, 11:07:14 AM
Good music lined up for Inauguration day.

https://twitter.com/BorisEP/status/819937568829620224

What? A Bruce Springsteen tribute band called 'The B Street Band'!!!!

Imagine that! Springsteen music without the commie BS of Springsteen himself! Refreshing!

And don't forget patriotic country music star Toby Keith.

If Trump could get John Denver to sing, I'd attend myself.... :whist11:

Denver used to perform at a coffee house near UCLA in the early 1960's. he was great to see performing there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2017, 03:13:41 PM

Quote from: yankee on January 14, 2017, 02:28:35 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 14, 2017, 01:58:43 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 14, 2017, 01:26:32 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 14, 2017, 11:46:18 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 14, 2017, 11:07:14 AM
Good music lined up for Inauguration day.

https://twitter.com/BorisEP/status/819937568829620224

What? A Bruce Springsteen tribute band called 'The B Street Band'!!!!

Imagine that! Springsteen music without the commie BS of Springsteen himself! Refreshing!

And don't forget patriotic country music star Toby Keith.

If Trump could get John Denver to sing, I'd attend myself.... :whist11:

Denver used to perform at a coffee house near UCLA in the early 1960's. he was great to see performing there.

John Denver was an American original with a great voice, RIP.

This is an example of why Trump voters will like Toby Keith.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2017, 03:34:14 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2JXYcyUAAE9wjK.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 14, 2017, 04:18:36 PM

The NAACP, is demanding Trump apologize to Lewis, but it's Lewis that should be making amends for disrespecting the man who will hold the highest office in the nation.
I'm really getting tired of these liberal blowhards, the whole lot are just a bunch of pathetic losers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2017, 06:27:01 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 14, 2017, 04:18:36 PM

The NAACP, is demanding Trump apologize to Lewis, but it's Lewis that should be making amends for disrespecting the man who will hold the highest office in the nation.
I'm really getting tired of these liberal blowhards, the whole lot are just a bunch of pathetic losers.

That's right, and these pathetic losers are going to be out of office for a long time.

The American people finally found a champion and they like his winning ways.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 15, 2017, 11:10:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 14, 2017, 01:59:08 PM

I'm not really worried about it. How about you Ste? Mohabism?

Can't speak for Ste, but Moby is not interested in watching a celebration of 'Tramp' ... :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 15, 2017, 01:12:53 PM

Trump Team May Move West Wing Briefings to Expand Capacity

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-15/trump-team-may-move-briefings-from-west-wing-to-accommodate-more

"“This is about greater accessibility, more people in the process,” Sean Spicer said Sunday on Fox News Channel’s “Media Buzz.” Involving more people, including bloggers and others who aren’t from the mainstream media, “should be seen as a welcome change,” he said."

Alex Jones and the InfoWars team? Wouldn't that be something! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 15, 2017, 04:37:14 PM

Quote

The president-elect’s campaign drew consistent support from numerous conservative talk radio hosts and internet conspiracy theory sites, for instance Alex Jones’s InfoWars. During the campaign, Trump took the unprecedented step of appearing on Jones’s site, known as America’s foremost conservative conspiracy theory outlet. Jones has previously dismissed the Sandy Hook massacre, in which 20 elementary school students and six school staff were murdered, as “completely fake”, and has branded the September 11 terror attacks an “inside job”.

Trump was interviewed for around 30 minutes by Jones in December 2015, and later called Jones a “nice guy”. Jones claimed in November that Trump called him to thank him for his support after winning the presidential election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 15, 2017, 08:38:48 PM

Quote from: Maxx on January 15, 2017, 04:37:14 PM

Quote
The president-elect’s campaign drew consistent support from numerous conservative talk radio hosts and internet conspiracy theory sites, for instance Alex Jones’s InfoWars. During the campaign, Trump took the unprecedented step of appearing on Jones’s site, known as America’s foremost conservative conspiracy theory outlet. Jones has previously dismissed the Sandy Hook massacre, in which 20 elementary school students and six school staff were murdered, as “completely fake”, and has branded the September 11 terror attacks an “inside job”.

Trump was interviewed for around 30 minutes by Jones in December 2015, and later called Jones a “nice guy”. Jones claimed in November that Trump called him to thank him for his support after winning the presidential election.

Part of the reason we now see CIA director Brennan making veiled threats to Trump. As well as Shumer, etc.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-clashes-civil-rights-leader-inauguration-looms-073023554--election.html

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-04/did-chuck-schumer-just-threaten-donald-trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 15, 2017, 09:13:27 PM

Bob Woodward the Journo who disclosed Watergate calls Trump dossier (goldenshower; Russia) "Garbage". Maybe the mental midget in the North will accept this.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/01/15/watch-bob-woodward-condemns-unverified-dossier-on-trump-that-buzzfeed-published/

a comment of a poster

Think the Obama Administration had grown so comfortable using various governmental agencies filled with their appointees to harass, to smear , and to intimidate their opponents ( like the IRS / Tea Party ) – because the MSM covers, hides, leaks and lies for them – that they grew sloppy in using these recent BuzzFeed / CNN hungry media tools . The Obama Democrats grew sloppy, arrogant , and above the law due to the Race Card and their domestic / International MSM protection ( even the BBC loves the Democrats ) for the last 8 years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 15, 2017, 09:42:52 PM

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nato-obsolete-says-trump-as-he-suggests-russia-nuclear-deal/ar-AAlTu6i?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 16, 2017, 08:55:09 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 15, 2017, 09:13:27 PM

Bob Woodward the Journo who disclosed Watergate calls Trump dossier (goldenshower; Russia) "Garbage". Maybe the mental midget in the North will accept this.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/01/15/watch-bob-woodward-condemns-unverified-dossier-on-trump-that-buzzfeed-published/

a comment of a poster

Think the Obama Administration had grown so comfortable using various governmental agencies filled with their appointees to harass, to smear , and to intimidate their opponents ( like the IRS / Tea Party ) – because the MSM covers, hides, leaks and lies for them – that they grew sloppy in using these recent BuzzFeed / CNN hungry media tools . The Obama Democrats grew sloppy, arrogant , and above the law due to the Race Card and their domestic / International MSM protection ( even the BBC loves the Democrats ) for the last 8 years.

Andrew, did you see this?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 16, 2017, 09:00:05 AM

No I hadn't seen that

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 16, 2017, 10:09:09 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 16, 2017, 09:00:05 AM

No I hadn't seen that

And? Do you have an opinion on this? Woodward is a prestigious journalist. When he says it's fake news, people should pay attention.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 16, 2017, 10:09:50 AM

Trump on Merkel.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38632485?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 16, 2017, 01:35:05 PM

https://twitter.com/LeahR77/status/819387408777179140

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 16, 2017, 07:30:30 PM

No love for NATO!

BRUSSELS — European Union nations reacted with surprise and defiance Monday to Donald Trump's comments that he believed NATO was "obsolete" and that more member states would leave the 28-nation EU.

Trumps in this article says he is indifferent to member states leaving the EU. I believe he is interested in the EU losing more states and destruction of the Euro. To my surprise, Trump seem very excited about have a trade agreement with UK. I feel this is to encourage other states to leave the EU zone. Trump has publicly stated he is very excited about Brexit.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/eu-nations-react-with-surprise-defiance-to-trump-remarks/ar-AAlUeq7?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 16, 2017, 08:19:00 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on January 16, 2017, 07:30:30 PM

No love for NATO!

BRUSSELS — European Union nations reacted with surprise and defiance Monday to Donald Trump's comments that he believed NATO was "obsolete" and that more member states would leave the 28-nation EU.

Trumps in this article says he is indifferent to member states leaving the EU. I believe he is interested in the EU losing more states and destruction of the Euro. To my surprise, Trump seem very excited about have a trade agreement with UK. I feel this is to encourage other states to leave the EU zone. Trump has publicly stated he is very excited about Brexit.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/eu-nations-react-with-surprise-defiance-to-trump-remarks/ar-AAlUeq7?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=U218DHP

Negotiating tactic. NATO members MUST pay fair share or....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 16, 2017, 09:58:07 PM

Our two biggest competitors in the world is the EU and China. Both are finding dealing with Trump uncomfortable. The EU once the world's largest economy is now number 2. When the UK leaves it will not even be close. China is threating all kinds of stuff but they know almost any change in the world means they will have less trade. German car manufactures want to build cars in Mexico and Trump it telling them they will have to pay US tariffs if they do not build in the US. Factories in China are being threating with having to pay tariffs if they do not bring the work back to the US. Trade deals with ex EU countries might be away to cut China out of some of their markets with new factories Trump is hoping to bring back to the US. If you see the shape of everything, this is a strategy to make America great again.

Under Obama, Bush, and Clintons the US was dying because all these presidents were globalist.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 16, 2017, 10:14:38 PM

You see here how Obama was going to try to force the Brits back into the EU and Trump is doing the opposite. The article also notes that other countries wanting to leave will see UK got a good deal when they left so they to could leave. You can see how this is going to be a EU buster. Get out of the EU and get a good trade deal with the US and still trade with the EU. Stay in the EU and get stuck with a bunch of tariffs when trading with the US plus a whole lot of other expenses and controls of the EU's making.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/brexiteers-cheer-on-donald-trump-for-promising-quick-trade-deal-with-the-uk/ar-AAlUON9?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 17, 2017, 01:02:38 AM

(http://russia-insider.com/sites/insider/files/styles/s400/public/8a49c8643f5d0b9f4f9659d03a5e6c4c.jpg?itok=83_uDJaq)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on January 17, 2017, 03:03:33 AM

Well, we have to love the BBC producing such well investigated and researched program, as the one transmitted on their flagship "PANORAMA". the other day.

If you haven't watched.... take a look and enjoy following the narrative and direction of the reporter John Sweeny..... and his final verdict.

Trump: The Kremlin Candidate?

(http://s1.lemde.fr/image/2017/01/13/644x322/5061922_3_72be_donald-trump-le-11-janvier-a-new-york_78ea88ba7822d29862f9218e8440fc10.jpg)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08bls3s/panorama-trump-the-kremlin-candidate.

:sick0012: :sick0012: :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 17, 2017, 03:33:29 AM

Wiz,

providing a link to something that won't be viewable outside the UK is pretty pointless !

If you have google chrome get a free trial with Zenmate and one CAN view it ..

I only watched the last five mins and have to say the conclusion was more akin to a Party Political Broadcast by the Monster Raving Looney Party than a piece of BBC journalism..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 17, 2017, 04:14:43 AM

48 hours before the inauguration?

http://www.infowars.com/report-cnnbuzzfeed-to-release-damaging-new-trump-tape-48-hours-before-inauguration/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 17, 2017, 04:18:55 AM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170117/95d04cc4289ec9659c516b084190dcc1.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 17, 2017, 04:27:04 AM

I am assuming that the program description is a fake?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 17, 2017, 04:29:29 AM

Quote from: Maxx on January 17, 2017, 04:14:43 AM

48 hours before the inauguration?

http://www.infowars.com/report-cnnbuzzfeed-to-release-damaging-new-trump-tape-48-hours-before-inauguration/

Is there any chance that some part of this one might be based, even somewhat loosely, on fact?

If the first was lies, as we know to be the case, why release a factual document after the lies? Seems pointless except to further convince the Donhollios of the world, but they were convinced that Trump grabs women's pussies as a matter of course!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 17, 2017, 04:43:16 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 17, 2017, 04:27:04 AM

I am assuming that the program description is a fake?

I don't believe it is! It's from the Scottish Daily Herald I think, they've done similar before...

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 17, 2017, 09:03:32 AM

Ads in two dozen cities offer protesters up to $2500 to agitate at Trump inaugural

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-5828a423/turbine/ct-donald-trump-protests-20161113)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/17/ads-two-dozen-cities-offer-protesters-2500-agitate/

Team Obama keeps laying new land mines for Trump
(http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx257/ruadventures/political%20joke%202.jpg?1484670048874&1484670051968&1484670071784&1484670072040)
http://nypost.com/2017/01/16/team-obama-keeps-laying-new-landmines-for-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 17, 2017, 09:15:06 AM

Quote from: Wiz on January 17, 2017, 03:03:33 AM

Well, we have to love the BBC producing such well investigated and researched program, as the one transmitted on their flagship "PANORAMA". the other day.

If you haven't watched.... take a look and enjoy following the narrative and direction of the reporter John Sweeny..... and his final verdict.

Trump: The Kremlin Candidate?

(http://s1.lemde.fr/image/2017/01/13/644x322/5061922_3_72be_donald-trump-le-11-janvier-a-new-york_78ea88ba7822d29862f9218e8440fc10.jpg)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08bls3s/panorama-trump-the-kremlin-candidate.

:sick0012: :sick0012: :sick0012:

John Sweeney is a tool.

I watched it with wifey, it was a tragic attempt at shameless anti-Putin and anti-Trump propaganda that shows just how low the lefties at the BBC have sunk. Wifey described it as "stupid, like a cartoon". :chuckle:

They even had the Twitter photoshop of Putin and Trump bare chested on the horse together during commentary. Really, this is what now passes for journalism at Fake News Central.

Quote from: msmoby on January 17, 2017, 03:33:29 AM

I only watched the last five mins and have to say the conclusion was more akin to a Party Political Broadcast by the Monster Raving Looney Party than a piece of BBC journalism..

Is this you finally admitting the institutional bias of your beloved "impartial" BBC? Remember, this is Panorama, one of the supposed bedrock of serious news and investigative journalism shows.

And they want to tax people £150 a year to watch this horseshit?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/755146/BBC-bias-Panorama-Donald-Trump-Kremlin-Candidate

Read the comments.........

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 17, 2017, 11:29:45 AM

Project Veritas has exposed the usual suspects who want to agitate. They could be charged with a Felony depending on what they do and We the People hope they are. 8 years of the lawless Hussein O. regime and we want real hope and change which means Make America Great Again by enforcing our laws against criminals.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443910/trump-inaugural-ball-stink-bomb-attack-dc-anti-fascist-coalition-attack

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 17, 2017, 12:08:54 PM

Like a boss.

http://conservativetribune.com/trump-cuts-museum-panics-dems/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=conserv_tribune

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 17, 2017, 02:34:13 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 17, 2017, 09:15:06 AM

Is this you finally admitting the institutional bias of your beloved "impartial" BBC? Remember, this is Panorama, one of the supposed bedrock of serious news and investigative journalism shows.

It was very biased and reminded me of the sort of thing I see on Russian state owned or run by cronies of the state - TV . THAT annoyed me and I wrote an complained, accordingly.

I STILL think Trump is a jerk and the Russians can't believe their luck .... the Americans having such a paucity of decent candidates and electing one of 'em...

I believe 'bollox news' stories have been created / politically motivated enquiries announced at key moments ...but even 'Tramp' isn't stupid enough to be setup / blackmailed.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 17, 2017, 03:20:10 PM

Putin explains the silliness of the Trump and prostitute pee-pee story

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Boris on January 17, 2017, 03:35:11 PM

Quote from: Popka! on January 17, 2017, 03:20:10 PM

Putin explains the silliness of the Trump and prostitute pee-pee story

The other guy seemed to get a chuckle out of it...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 17, 2017, 05:29:47 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 17, 2017, 02:34:13 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 17, 2017, 09:15:06 AM

Is this you finally admitting the institutional bias of your beloved "impartial" BBC? Remember, this is Panorama, one of the supposed bedrock of serious news and investigative journalism shows.

It was very biased and reminded me of the sort of thing I see on Russian state owned or run by cronies of the state - TV . THAT annoyed me and I wrote an complained, accordingly.

I STILL think Trump is a jerk and the Russians can't believe their luck .... the Americans having such a paucity of decent candidates and electing one of 'em...

I believe 'bollox news' stories have been created / politically motivated enquiries announced at key moments ...but even 'Tramp' isn't stupid enough to be setup / blackmailed.

"Concerned of Sochi". :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 17, 2017, 05:38:52 PM

This article is a complete pile of crap. The election showed us the tremendous popularity of Trump, so where does this crap come from?

Trump Enters Office With Historically Low Approval Rating

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/trump-enters-office-historically-low-rating-n708071

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 17, 2017, 05:48:07 PM

Quote from: Popka! on January 17, 2017, 03:20:10 PM

Putin explains the silliness of the Trump and prostitute pee-pee story

This sort of story was manufactured and spread by the American Left because they are Out of Their Minds. They cannot fathom that they themselves, through their own arrogance, are to blame for their loss in the election, so they must make up ghost stories to tell themselves around the campfire. "Oh, it was Putin!" as if we would have had Obama for 8 years if Vladimir Vladimiriovich could control American elections. Then it's a "Whitelash" then it was misogyny...because the Left can never fathom that the fault is their own, their abandonment of the white working class, their condescension and, at bottom their arrogance.

They lost the election because they f*cking deserved to. Period, full stop, the end.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 17, 2017, 07:36:50 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 17, 2017, 05:48:07 PM

Quote from: Popka! on January 17, 2017, 03:20:10 PM
Putin explains the silliness of the Trump and prostitute pee-pee story

This sort of story was manufactured and spread by the American Left because they are Out of Their Minds. They cannot fathom that they themselves, through their own arrogance, are to blame for their loss in the election, so they must make up ghost stories to tell themselves around the campfire. "Oh, it was Putin!" as if we would have had Obama for 8 years if Vladimir Vladimiriovich could control American elections. Then it's a "Whitelash" then it was misogyny...because the Left can never fathom that the fault is their own, their abandonment of the white working class, their condescension and, at bottom their arrogance.

They lost the election because they f*cking deserved to. Period, full stop, the end.

B/B

They only got 37% of the White vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 17, 2017, 09:40:58 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 17, 2017, 05:48:07 PM

Quote from: Popka! on January 17, 2017, 03:20:10 PM
Putin explains the silliness of the Trump and prostitute pee-pee story

This sort of story was manufactured and spread by the American Left because they are Out of Their Minds. They cannot fathom that they themselves, through their own arrogance, are to blame for their loss in the election, so they must make up ghost stories to tell themselves around the campfire. "Oh, it was Putin!" as if we would have had Obama for 8 years if Vladimir Vladimiriovich could control American elections. Then it's a "Whitelash" then it was misogyny...because the Left can never fathom that the fault is their own, their abandonment of the white working class, their condescension and, at bottom their arrogance.

They lost the election because they f*cking deserved to. Period, full stop, the end.

B/B

tiphat

Yes, but don't forget they have been aided and abetted by "intelligence" people who were nothing but hacks appointed by Hussein O. Don't forget there is division in the CIA because their pipeline thru Syria and their habit of overthrowing foreign govts. might be ending soon.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 17, 2017, 09:45:29 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 17, 2017, 05:38:52 PM

This article is a complete pile of crap. The election showed us the tremendous popularity of Trump, so where does this crap come from?

Trump Enters Office With Historically Low Approval Rating

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/trump-enters-office-historically-low-rating-n708071

I believe it was Leslie who said the left wing media will fight Trump all the way. They lie. #FakeNews and#YellowJournalism.

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/821490850287013889

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 17, 2017, 11:56:23 PM

Quote from: leslied on November 10, 2016, 12:52:09 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 10, 2016, 12:20:11 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on November 09, 2016, 06:20:54 PM
Putin was one of several world leaders to congratulate Trump, and say he hopes for better relationship with the United states.

Now that Trump is the president elect, wonder if the western media will cut back on the propaganda?

I suspect otherwise, they will look at every step and action of DT and examine it with extreme prejudice.

Well said Av :thumbsup: I don't expect the attitude of the media to change one jot!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 18, 2017, 02:56:32 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 17, 2017, 09:15:06 AM

Quote from: Wiz on January 17, 2017, 03:03:33 AM
Well, we have to love the BBC producing such well investigated and researched program, as the one transmitted on their flagship "PANORAMA". the other day.

If you haven't watched.... take a look and enjoy following the narrative and direction of the reporter John Sweeny..... and his final verdict.

Trump: The Kremlin Candidate?

(http://s1.lemde.fr/image/2017/01/13/644x322/5061922_3_72be_donald-trump-le-11-janvier-a-new-york_78ea88ba7822d29862f9218e8440fc10.jpg)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08bls3s/panorama-trump-the-kremlin-candidate.

:sick0012: :sick0012: :sick0012:

John Sweeney is a tool.

I watched it with wifey, it was a tragic attempt at shameless anti-Putin and anti-Trump propaganda that shows just how low the lefties at the BBC have sunk. Wifey described it as "stupid, like a cartoon". :chuckle:

They even had the Twitter photoshop of Putin and Trump bare chested on the horse together during commentary. Really, this is what now passes for journalism at Fake News Central.

Quote from: msmoby on January 17, 2017, 03:33:29 AM
I only watched the last five mins and have to say the conclusion was more akin to a Party Political Broadcast by the Monster Raving Looney Party than a piece of BBC journalism..

Is this you finally admitting the institutional bias of your beloved "impartial" BBC? Remember, this is Panorama, one of the supposed bedrock of serious news and investigative journalism shows.

And they want to tax people £150 a year to watch this horseshit?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/755146/BBC-bias-Panorama-Donald-Trump-Kremlin-Candidate

Read the comments.........

Trying to figure out which was your comment?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 18, 2017, 03:08:42 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 18, 2017, 02:56:32 AM

Trying to figure out which was your comment?

None, but Moby will probably say they are all me and/or Kremlin plants. :rouble-smile:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 18, 2017, 05:00:02 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 18, 2017, 03:08:42 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 18, 2017, 02:56:32 AM
Trying to figure out which was your comment?
None, but Moby will probably say they are all me and/or Kremlin plants. :rouble-smile:

Perhaps they were made by little green men from Mars?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 18, 2017, 06:40:38 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 17, 2017, 11:56:23 PM

Quote from: leslied on November 10, 2016, 12:52:09 AM
Quote from: AvHdB on November 10, 2016, 12:20:11 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on November 09, 2016, 06:20:54 PM
Putin was one of several world leaders to congratulate Trump, and say he hopes for better relationship with the United states.

Now that Trump is the president elect, wonder if the western media will cut back on the propaganda?

I suspect otherwise, they will look at every step and action of DT and examine it with extreme prejudice.

Well said Av :thumbsup: I don't expect the attitude of the media to change one jot!

It looks like you both got it right. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 18, 2017, 06:41:38 AM

Trump fires back at designer Tom Ford.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/hah-hah-trump-never-asked-tom-ford-dress-melania-dont-like-designs-video/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 18, 2017, 07:22:51 AM

Tucker Carlson exposes a hoaxer.

https://twitter.com/MightyBusterBro/status/821598970778525696

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 18, 2017, 10:09:04 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 17, 2017, 05:48:07 PM

This sort of story was manufactured and spread by the American Left because they are Out of Their Minds. They cannot fathom that they themselves, through their own arrogance, are to blame for their loss in the election, so they must make up ghost stories to tell themselves around the campfire. "Oh, it was Putin!" as if we would have had Obama for 8 years if Vladimir Vladimiriovich could control American elections. Then it's a "Whitelash" then it was misogyny...because the Left can never fathom that the fault is their own, their abandonment of the white working class, their condescension and, at bottom their arrogance.

They lost the election because they f*cking deserved to. Period, full stop, the end.

B/B

I agree but want to add that in addition to the above, they selected a very
flawed, unlikable candidate as well. Then those canny crazy Roosky's tricked
her into not campaigning in Wisconsin and made her sound like a screechy
angry lesbian too, so you gotta admit that homophobia was part of it also.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 18, 2017, 10:16:27 AM

Quote from: Popka! on January 18, 2017, 10:09:04 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 17, 2017, 05:48:07 PM

This sort of story was manufactured and spread by the American Left because they are Out of Their Minds. They cannot fathom that they themselves, through their own arrogance, are to blame for their loss in the election, so they must make up ghost stories to tell themselves around the campfire. "Oh, it was Putin!" as if we would have had Obama for 8 years if Vladimir Vladimiriovich could control American elections. Then it's a "Whitelash" then it was misogyny...because the Left can never fathom that the fault is their own, their abandonment of the white working class, their condescension and, at bottom their arrogance.

They lost the election because they f*cking deserved to. Period, full stop, the end.

B/B

I agree but want to add that in addition to the above, they selected a very
flawed, unlikable candidate as well. Then those canny crazy Roosky's tricked
her into not campaigning in Wisconsin and made her sound like a screechy
angry lesbian too, so you gotta admit that homophobia was part of it also.

Bad ass! You forgot to mention she was as attractive as an alien that has been disgorged from a meat grinder.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 18, 2017, 10:38:31 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 18, 2017, 10:16:27 AM

Quote from: Popka! on January 18, 2017, 10:09:04 AM
Quote from: B.B. on January 17, 2017, 05:48:07 PM

This sort of story was manufactured and spread by the American Left because they are Out of Their Minds. They cannot fathom that they themselves, through their own arrogance, are to blame for their loss in the election, so they must make up ghost stories to tell themselves around the campfire. "Oh, it was Putin!" as if we would have had Obama for 8 years if Vladimir Vladimiriovich could control American elections. Then it's a "Whitelash" then it was misogyny...because the Left can never fathom that the fault is their own, their abandonment of the white working class, their condescension and, at bottom their arrogance.

They lost the election because they f*cking deserved to. Period, full stop, the end.

B/B

I agree but want to add that in addition to the above, they selected a very
flawed, unlikable candidate as well. Then those canny crazy Roosky's tricked
her into not campaigning in Wisconsin and made her sound like a screechy
angry lesbian too, so you gotta admit that homophobia was part of it also.

Bad ass! You forgot to mention she was as attractive as an alien that has been disgorged from a meat grinder.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/w801mh.png)

But you've got to admit she's got a hot bod and knows how to wear a pantsuit! :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 18, 2017, 12:42:57 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 18, 2017, 10:16:27 AM

Quote from: Popka! on January 18, 2017, 10:09:04 AM
Quote from: B.B. on January 17, 2017, 05:48:07 PM

This sort of story was manufactured and spread by the American Left because they are Out of Their Minds. They cannot fathom that they themselves, through their own arrogance, are to blame for their loss in the election, so they must make up ghost stories to tell themselves around the campfire. "Oh, it was Putin!" as if we would have had Obama for 8 years if Vladimir Vladimiriovich could control American elections. Then it's a "Whitelash" then it was misogyny...because the Left can never fathom that the fault is their own, their abandonment of the white working class, their condescension and, at bottom their arrogance.

They lost the election because they f*cking deserved to. Period, full stop, the end.

B/B

I agree but want to add that in addition to the above, they selected a very
flawed, unlikable candidate as well. Then those canny crazy Roosky's tricked
her into not campaigning in Wisconsin and made her sound like a screechy
angry lesbian too, so you gotta admit that homophobia was part of it also.

Bad ass! You forgot to mention she was as attractive as an alien that has been disgorged from a meat grinder.

But apparently Huma Abedin was willing to sleep with it in exchange for State dept. secrets she transferred to the Muslim brotherhood and Saudi Arabia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 18, 2017, 03:36:10 PM

Quote from: Maxx on January 18, 2017, 10:38:31 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 18, 2017, 10:16:27 AM
Quote from: Popka! on January 18, 2017, 10:09:04 AM
Quote from: B.B. on January 17, 2017, 05:48:07 PM

This sort of story was manufactured and spread by the American Left because they are Out of Their Minds. They cannot fathom that they themselves, through their own arrogance, are to blame for their loss in the election, so they must make up ghost stories to tell themselves around the campfire. "Oh, it was Putin!" as if we would have had Obama for 8 years if Vladimir Vladimiriovich could control American elections. Then it's a "Whitelash" then it was misogyny...because the Left can never fathom that the fault is their own, their abandonment of the white working class, their condescension and, at bottom their arrogance.

They lost the election because they f*cking deserved to. Period, full stop, the end.

B/B

I agree but want to add that in addition to the above, they selected a very
flawed, unlikable candidate as well. Then those canny crazy Roosky's tricked
her into not campaigning in Wisconsin and made her sound like a screechy
angry lesbian too, so you gotta admit that homophobia was part of it also.

Bad ass! You forgot to mention she was as attractive as an alien that has been disgorged from a meat grinder.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/w801mh.png)

But you've got to admit she's got a hot bod and knows how to wear a pantsuit! :sick0012:

Whoop, check out those thunder thighs. :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on January 18, 2017, 08:41:23 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 18, 2017, 03:36:10 PM

Quote from: Popka! on January 18, 2017, 10:09:04 AM
Bad ass! You forgot to mention she was as attractive as an alien that has been disgorged from a meat grinder.

(http://i68.tinypic.com/w801mh.png)

But you've got to admit she's got a hot bod and knows how to wear a pantsuit! :sick0012:

Whoop, check out those thunder thighs. :sick0012:

Did you missed her back side or her face like backside of a bus? ..... :sick0012:

Now you know why billy was/is playing around :chuckle:

(http://satireworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/monica-lewinsky.jpg)
.........Monica Lewinsky

(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/jjkj.jpg?w=350&quality=90&strip=all&h=233)...
.. Gennifer Flowers ....................Paula Jones

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on January 18, 2017, 08:57:01 PM

Now we have also serious paper writing ..... article like this on the TIMES.

Russian sex workers are world’s best, boasts Putin

President Putin bragged that Russian prostitutes were “without question the best in the world” yesterday but said he doubted that Donald Trump had succumbed to their temptations.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/russian-sex-workers-are-world-s-best-boasts-putin-khkx9dvr5

What can we say about such shite?

What is disgusting is the headline and this is not The Sun. :sick0012:

If you read what he actually said, it was actually a "rather elegant" way of dealing with the accusations about Trump and what he may or may not did in the privacy of his bedroom. What is disgusting is the press constantly trying to dig up anything that has anything to do with sex.

Pathetic propaganda. :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 18, 2017, 11:18:38 PM

Quote from: Wiz on January 18, 2017, 08:41:23 PM

(http://satireworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/monica-lewinsky.jpg)
.........Monica Lewinsky

I always thought Monica was hot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 19, 2017, 12:56:50 AM

Quote from: Maxx on January 18, 2017, 11:18:38 PM

Quote from: Wiz on January 18, 2017, 08:41:23 PM

(http://satireworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/monica-lewinsky.jpg)
.........Monica Lewinsky

I always thought Monica was hot.

Even 20 years on she plays the victim card.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on January 19, 2017, 01:26:24 AM

A single look at Hilary provides ample justification for Bill's infidelity.

That cow was NEVER good looking and age did nothing to improve her.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 19, 2017, 02:53:58 AM

Quote from: leslied on January 19, 2017, 01:26:24 AM

A single look at Hilary provides ample justification for Bill's infidelity.

That cow was NEVER good looking and age did nothing to improve her.

Moderators: Please delete any additional images of Hillary - not appropriate for attracting new members.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Danchik on January 19, 2017, 03:51:27 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 19, 2017, 12:56:50 AM

Quote from: Maxx on January 18, 2017, 11:18:38 PM
Quote from: Wiz on January 18, 2017, 08:41:23 PM

(http://satireworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/monica-lewinsky.jpg)
.........Monica Lewinsky

I always thought Monica was hot.

Even 20 years on she plays the victim card.

What other card has she had to play? The "establishment" took everything else away.

Quote from: AvHdB on January 19, 2017, 02:53:58 AM

Quote from: leslied on January 19, 2017, 01:26:24 AM
A single look at Hilary provides ample justification for Bill's infidelity.

That cow was NEVER good looking and age did nothing to improve her.

Moderators: Please delete any additional images of Hillary - not appropriate for attracting new members.

You also have a habit (as do a very select few here) of saying things to the moderators, or saying other silly ass shit like it is his/her thread and they blah, blah blah.

Look, let the mods do their job. And no one, no one, has a say in who can write in any thread or not other than if Manny bans their ass. Just because you or anyone start a thread, doesn't mean you dictate who posts and what is said in that thread. Stop this silly, snowflake BS (and that goes for the other silly ass people who think this way as well).

If I stop posting in a thread, it because I decide. Not you and the person who starts it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 19, 2017, 03:54:58 AM

Quote from: Danchik on January 19, 2017, 03:51:27 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 19, 2017, 12:56:50 AM
Quote from: Maxx on January 18, 2017, 11:18:38 PM
Quote from: Wiz on January 18, 2017, 08:41:23 PM

(http://satireworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/monica-lewinsky.jpg)
.........Monica Lewinsky

I always thought Monica was hot.

Even 20 years on she plays the victim card.
What other card has she had to play? The "establishment" took everything else away.

Quote from: AvHdB on January 19, 2017, 02:53:58 AM
Quote from: leslied on January 19, 2017, 01:26:24 AM
A single look at Hilary provides ample justification for Bill's infidelity.

That cow was NEVER good looking and age did nothing to improve her.

Moderators: Please delete any additional images of Hillary - not appropriate for attracting new members.
You also have a habit (as do a very select few here) of saying things to the moderators, or saying other silly ass shit like it is his/her thread and they blah, blah blah.

Look, let the mods do their job. And no one, no one, has a say in who can write in any thread or not other than if Manny bans their ass. Just because you or anyone start a thread, doesn't mean you dictate who posts and what is said in that thread. Stop this silly, snowflake BS (and that goes for the other silly ass people who think this way as well).

If I stop posting in a thread, it because I decide. Not you and the person who starts it.

Doesn't know when joking. Been living like a Russian man too long. Common problem with RW too.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Danchik on January 19, 2017, 03:57:12 AM

Too many instances for it to still be a joke. And speak of the devil.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 19, 2017, 05:55:48 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 19, 2017, 02:53:58 AM

Quote from: leslied on January 19, 2017, 01:26:24 AM
A single look at Hilary provides ample justification for Bill's infidelity.

That cow was NEVER good looking and age did nothing to improve her.

Moderators: Please delete any additional images of Hillary - not appropriate for attracting new members.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

https://twitter.com/deplorablechcki/status/821968969137586176

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 19, 2017, 06:04:14 AM

I think that her appearance should have little or no impact upon her ability to be president. There's many valid reasons why she should not be president but big hips is not one of them.

Posts here demonstrate that anti-female chauvinism is alive and well in the minds of many men and it isn't a good thing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 19, 2017, 06:10:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 19, 2017, 06:04:14 AM

I think that her appearance should have little or no impact upon her ability to be president. There's many valid reasons why she should not be president but big hips is not one of them.

Posts here demonstrate that anti-female chauvinism is alive and well in the minds of many men and it isn't a good thing.

I certainly agree with you in regards her appearance not having an impact on her ability to be President however with all the dead bodies in her wake I consider her a female Hitler therefore the gloves are off. Not to mention the smears on Trump by her and her followers; she is open game.

Furthermore a majority of Americans who voted in key counties felt she was put forth NOT because she was qualified but merely to check a box for the agenda of the left.

https://twitter.com/Jenn_Abrams/status/821786233223278592

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on January 19, 2017, 08:52:00 AM

Quote from: Danchik on January 19, 2017, 03:51:27 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 19, 2017, 12:56:50 AM
Quote from: Maxx on January 18, 2017, 11:18:38 PM
Quote from: Wiz on January 18, 2017, 08:41:23 PM

(http://satireworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/monica-lewinsky.jpg)
.........Monica Lewinsky

I always thought Monica was hot.

Even 20 years on she plays the victim card.
What other card has she had to play? The "establishment" took everything else away.

Quote from: AvHdB on January 19, 2017, 02:53:58 AM
Quote from: leslied on January 19, 2017, 01:26:24 AM
A single look at Hilary provides ample justification for Bill's infidelity.

That cow was NEVER good looking and age did nothing to improve her.

Moderators: Please delete any additional images of Hillary - not appropriate for attracting new members.
You also have a habit (as do a very select few here) of saying things to the moderators, or saying other silly ass shit like it is his/her thread and they blah, blah blah.

Look, let the mods do their job. And no one, no one, has a say in who can write in any thread or not other than if Manny bans their ass. Just because you or anyone start a thread, doesn't mean you dictate who posts and what is said in that thread. Stop this silly, snowflake BS (and that goes for the other silly ass people who think this way as well).

If I stop posting in a thread, it because I decide. Not you and the person who starts it.

:BEER: Well said about telling the mods what to do..........
he obviously think it's his private show.....LOL :BEER:

On the other hand she was looking good without her blue dress, when she was young!

With such good assets, she achieved her mission! ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on January 19, 2017, 09:01:07 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 19, 2017, 06:04:14 AM

I think that her appearance should have little or no impact upon her ability to be president. There's many valid reasons why she should not be president but big hips is not one of them.

Posts here demonstrate that anti-female chauvinism is alive and well in the minds of many men and it isn't a good thing.

I did not know you have become PC .... swipe statement I may say. Comments directed at one woman not necessary apply or includes every woman. :D

As about her abilities.... do say that to the ambassadors widow who was killed in Benghazi.......under her watch! :sick0012:

May I also remind you her comments.

"We went, we saw,.... he died!" :sick0012: .. F.... :censored: bitch!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 19, 2017, 09:13:34 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 19, 2017, 06:10:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 19, 2017, 06:04:14 AM
I think that her appearance should have little or no impact upon her ability to be president. There's many valid reasons why she should not be president but big hips is not one of them.

Posts here demonstrate that anti-female chauvinism is alive and well in the minds of many men and it isn't a good thing.

I certainly agree with you in regards her appearance not having an impact on her ability to be President however with all the dead bodies in her wake I consider her a female Hitler therefore the gloves are off. Not to mention the smears on Trump by her and her followers; she is open game.

Well some on RUA are grumpy souls, perhaps not enough coffee?

While what Andrew says is true. Perhaps we are considering the wrong criteria, is the carpet muncher Hillary feminine? As Confederate points out this is a creature who even during her husbands presidency lusted after power. She showed no respect to the female accusers of her husband, demeaning them by calling them 'bimbo's', She treated those who worked for her with utter contempt, for my self I do not call this presidential let alone some one who understands humanity.

The sooner she exits this play the better.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 19, 2017, 10:14:11 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 19, 2017, 06:04:14 AM

I think that her appearance should have little or no impact upon her ability to be president. There's many valid reasons why she should not be president but big hips is not one of them.

Posts here demonstrate that anti-female chauvinism is alive and well in the minds of many men and it isn't a good thing.

You are being harsh. Hillary is just plain hard to look at. Can you imagine in 4 or 8 years?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 19, 2017, 11:49:22 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 19, 2017, 09:13:34 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 19, 2017, 06:10:47 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on January 19, 2017, 06:04:14 AM
I think that her appearance should have little or no impact upon her ability to be president. There's many valid reasons why she should not be president but big hips is not one of them.

Posts here demonstrate that anti-female chauvinism is alive and well in the minds of many men and it isn't a good thing.

I certainly agree with you in regards her appearance not having an impact on her ability to be President however with all the dead bodies in her wake I consider her a female Hitler therefore the gloves are off. Not to mention the smears on Trump by her and her followers; she is open game.

Well some on RUA are grumpy souls, perhaps not enough coffee?

While what Andrew says is true. Perhaps we are considering the wrong criteria, is the carpet muncher Hillary feminine? As Confederate points out this is a creature who even during her husbands presidency lusted after power. She showed no respect to the female accusers of her husband, demeaning them by calling them 'bimbo's', She treated those who worked for her with utter contempt, for my self I do not call this presidential let alone some one who understands humanity.

The sooner she exits this play the better.

:thumbsup: Benghazi, Syria, an airplane that crashed in former Yugoslavia (Ron Brown) Bloody Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 19, 2017, 01:09:51 PM

Wiz, please read what I actually wrote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 19, 2017, 02:13:42 PM

Quote from: Wiz on January 18, 2017, 08:57:01 PM

Now we have also serious paper writing ..... article like this on the TIMES.

Russian sex workers are world’s best, boasts Putin

President Putin bragged that Russian prostitutes were “without question the best in the world” yesterday but said he doubted that Donald Trump had succumbed to their temptations.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/russian-sex-workers-are-world-s-best-boasts-putin-khkx9dvr5

What can we say about such shite?

What is disgusting is the headline and this is not The Sun. :sick0012:

If you read what he actually said, it was actually a "rather elegant" way of dealing with the accusations about Trump and what he may or may not did in the privacy of his bedroom. What is disgusting is the press constantly trying to dig up anything that has anything to do with sex.

Pathetic propaganda. :sick0012:

Here is what Putin said, in Russian, with translation to English.

The USA media is twisting it into knots out of context and out of proportion,
just like they do everything else.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2017/01/19/donald-trump-putin-russia-best-prostitutes-moos-pkg.cnn/video/playlists/wacky-world-of-jeanne-moos/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 19, 2017, 03:34:04 PM

This evening's welcome ceremony to President Donald J. Trump and First Lady Melania Trump.

https://twitter.com/SpecialKMB1969/status/822202967969374210

Live Stream

18 hours to go!!! :gousa: :BEER:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 19, 2017, 05:49:31 PM

Moscow army store celebrates Trump’s inauguration with discounts

http://rbth.com/news/2017/01/19/moscow-army-store-celebrates-trumps-inauguration-with-discounts_684611

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 19, 2017, 09:05:26 PM

Clinton bribed some people Shakespeare was hanging out with. :laugh:

http://yournewswire.com/wikileaks-clinton-bribed-6-republicans/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 19, 2017, 11:25:49 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 19, 2017, 09:05:26 PM

Clinton bribed some people Shakespeare was hanging out with. :laugh:

http://yournewswire.com/wikileaks-clinton-bribed-6-republicans/

Wow! Trump needs to fight back and turn the FBI loose on these crooks. HRC paying off Kasich, McCain, Gramn, Forina, Ryan and Jeb to make trouble for Trump? This might be one of those Fake news stories.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 20, 2017, 01:39:12 AM

Quote from: Maxx on January 19, 2017, 11:25:49 PM

Wow! Trump needs to fight back and turn the FBI loose on these crooks. HRC paying off Kasich, McCain, Gramn, Forina, Ryan and Jeb to make trouble for Trump? This might be one of those Fake news stories.

I seriously doubt it is fake news, considering the source.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 20, 2017, 01:41:44 AM

So, today is the day America gets its mojo back. :king:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 20, 2017, 01:48:29 AM

Quote from: Markje on January 20, 2017, 01:39:12 AM

Quote from: Maxx on January 19, 2017, 11:25:49 PM

Wow! Trump needs to fight back and turn the FBI loose on these crooks. HRC paying off Kasich, McCain, Gramn, Forina, Ryan and Jeb to make trouble for Trump? This might be one of those Fake news stories.
I seriously doubt it is fake news, considering the source.

So, I checked the quoted source who quoted wikileaks and I checked wikileaks.

No such news was there. So yes, this is fake news... Shame on them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 20, 2017, 08:05:28 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 20, 2017, 01:41:44 AM

So, today is the day America gets its mojo back. :king:

Well put. tiphat

Did you watch highlights of the ceremony and concert last night? (our time)

Melania looks amazing today. True style and class. Donald looks ready for work.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on January 20, 2017, 10:41:59 AM

Just watched the inauguration. As it turns out 100s of thousands of supporters and maybe a couple of hundred protesters...

Donald made the most radical inauguration speech I have ever heard.

It just resonates with truth. Put America first. Look to the prosperity of the American people, not the enrichment of foreigners. The messages of the populist revolution.

I just hope he can deliver tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 20, 2017, 11:03:36 AM

Quote from: leslied on January 20, 2017, 10:41:59 AM

Just watched the inauguration. As it turns out 100s of thousands of supporters and maybe a couple of hundred protesters...

Donald made the most radical inauguration speech I have ever heard.

It just resonates with truth. Put America first. Look to the prosperity of the American people, not the enrichment of foreigners. The messages of the populist revolution.

I just hope he can deliver tiphat

Will watch it tonight. Some of us have to work. :hidechair:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on January 20, 2017, 11:19:22 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 20, 2017, 11:03:36 AM

Will watch it tonight. Some of us have to work. :hidechair:

Some of us are 3 hours ahead of UK time so it is 9pm for me now. I also worked today :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 20, 2017, 11:51:44 AM

Quote from: leslied on January 20, 2017, 10:41:59 AM

Just watched the inauguration. As it turns out 100s of thousands of supporters and maybe a couple of hundred protesters...

Donald made the most radical inauguration speech I have ever heard.

It just resonates with truth. Put America first. Look to the prosperity of the American people, not the enrichment of foreigners. The messages of the populist revolution.

I just hope he can deliver tiphat

I agree with everything you said and as an American citizen whose ancestors came here nearly 200 years ago I feel liberated from the slavery and dishonesty of the Obama regime -- in reality Hussein O. was always an Alinsky disciple and cultural marxist determined to destroy this country from the inside out, financed by the likes of Nazi Soros.

No more double speak, no more lies. Congress better get to work and do the peoples business or be voted out in 2018.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2o9vCbWIAED5AD.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 20, 2017, 12:05:48 PM

This is from yesterday evening, which was the Inaugural celebration welcome at the Lincoln memorial.

the middle of this has a welcome speech by Jon Voigt and the end has what looks like British redcoat drummers. :king:

jus' think you English chaps coulda' ruled this land but us rebels kicked some redcoat a%%. :-*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 20, 2017, 12:14:38 PM

This is the best vid I could find of the concert but it is not complete.

Evening speech and "glory glory Hallelujah" with fireworks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 20, 2017, 02:13:18 PM

I would like to point out that the official WH site no longer has a portion on global warming. :laugh:

https://www.whitehouse.gov

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2mEhvKUUAEUF7w.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 20, 2017, 02:20:06 PM

"Since the recession of 2008, American workers and businesses have suffered through the slowest economic recovery since World War II. The U.S. lost nearly 300,000 manufacturing jobs during this period, while the share of Americans in the work force plummeted to lows not seen since the 1970s, the national debt doubled, and middle class got smaller. To get the economy back on track, President Trump has outlined a bold plan to create 25 million new American jobs in the next decade and return to 4 percent annual economic growth".

https://www.whitehouse.gov/bringing-back-jobs-and-growth

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 20, 2017, 04:19:24 PM

Trump gets a real mess from the Hussein O. regime.

https://twitter.com/MicahZenko/status/822582521099677698

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 20, 2017, 09:46:05 PM

The liberal MSM is having breakdowns

Chris Matthews
MSNBC host Chris Matthews described President Donald Trump’s strikingly populist and nationalist inaugural address as being reminiscent of Hitler’s rhetoric. “He said today ‘America first,’” Matthews said as President Obama departed D.C. by helicopter on screen. “It was not just the racial—I shouldn't say racial, I should say Hitlerian—background to it. The message I keep thinking is: What does [U.K. prime minister] Theresa May think of this when she picks up the paper and says, ‘Oh my God, what did he just say? He said America first. What happened to the special relationship?’ What if you’re Putin? You’re probably pounding the table, saying, ‘That’s what I’ve been saying! Russia first!’”

Rachel Maddow
As Donald Trump‘s inauguration ceremony came to a close, Rachel Maddow commented that America’s new president struck an alarming note through much of his speech earlier today.

Trump used his speech to talk about his “America First” mantra and his various campaign promises to lead America into a new order. Even so, Trump did talk at length about the nation’s problems, and Maddow reacted by noting the contrast between Trump and the more optimistic, hopeful speeches of former president Barack Obama.

“It was militant and it was dark,” Maddow said. “The crime, the gangs, the drugs, this ‘American carnage,’ disrepair, decay. You can’t imagine the outgoing president giving a speech like that.”

Maddow went on to say that Trump’s speech was reminiscent of nationalistic trends in America around WWII, and she used the isolationist America First Committee as her prime example.

“The America First Committee is something that means a specific thing in this country. To repurpose it now, not that far down the historical path, it’s hard. It’s hard to hear.”

After Maddow’s commentary, Chris Matthews praised the imagery Trump used about rejuvenating America, though Nicolle Wallace said the inaugural address was “unnecessarily dark” for the occasion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 20, 2017, 10:32:11 PM

An Irish Man gives his take on Trump's speech.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 21, 2017, 03:30:37 AM

It just occured to me, this board never had a "President Clinton" thread :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 21, 2017, 04:17:00 AM

It occurred to me that unless certain stakeholders repress their urges to undermine the democratic process there is a decent chance of civil war in the Land of the Free.

The impeachment campaign is an early call to arms.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2017, 04:20:07 AM

Watched the inauguration last night. Trump pulled no punches. The look on Obummers face during the speech. Classic.
As for Melania..........just wow. That marine who escorted her must have thanked his lucky stars. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 21, 2017, 05:02:49 AM

Did Obama finally speak the truth?

He said the e-mails from the DNC were leaked not hacked. Big difference.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-parting-shot-aims-at-brennan-clapper-clinton-the-dnc-emails-were-leaked/5569648

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 21, 2017, 05:06:14 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2017, 04:20:07 AM

Watched the inauguration last night. Trump pulled no punches. The look on Obummers face during the speech. Classic.
As for Melania..........just wow. That marine who escorted her must have thanked his lucky stars. :laugh:

The look on Hillary's face was even better. And their poor Clinton Foundation isn't getting anymore contributions as all the checkbooks from their 'supporters' slammed shut November 9th.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 21, 2017, 08:10:05 AM

Quote from: Maxx on January 21, 2017, 05:02:49 AM

Did Obama finally speak the truth?

He said the e-mails from the DNC were leaked not hacked. Big difference.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-parting-shot-aims-at-brennan-clapper-clinton-the-dnc-emails-were-leaked/5569648

No, he was referring to Wikileaks. Many readers, including some who should know better, have been making (perhaps purposefully) the same mistake.

Wikileaks 'leaked' the documents but the US intelligence community is not certain whether Wikileaks knew that the hacked documents came from Russian state sources or whether Wikileaks were unwitting dupes. As far as the US is concerned the information came from Russian hacking.

You, me and the gatepost all think that these documents were leaked by an insider at the DNC. The chosen version of events from the US state and its intelligence sources is rather different and Obama's words did not change the interpretation of the US.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2017, 09:14:15 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 21, 2017, 04:17:00 AM

It occurred to me that unless certain stakeholders repress their urges to undermine the democratic process there is a decent chance of civil war in the Land of the Free.

The impeachment campaign is an early call to arms.

There will not be any civil war this year, we're good for now. Thanks!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2017, 09:47:42 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2017, 04:20:07 AM

Watched the inauguration last night. Trump pulled no punches. The look on Obummers face during the speech. Classic.
As for Melania..........just wow. That marine who escorted her must have thanked his lucky stars. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2017, 12:05:03 PM

Highest debt to GDP since Truman caused by Hussein O.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2tqKEMUkAEpMae.jpg)

https://twitter.com/surfermom77/status/822868082313990145

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 21, 2017, 12:14:00 PM

Just mesmerised by the massive turnouts for Trump.

The protests I mean, not the inauguration, there was hardly anyone there, had to use Obama's turnout pics.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2017, 12:34:18 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 21, 2017, 12:14:00 PM

Just mesmerised by the massive turnouts for Trump.

The protests I mean, not the inauguration, there was hardly anyone there, had to use Obama's turnout pics.....

what a stupid post! people cannot turn out when they're unemployed and broke. :dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2017, 12:37:55 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 21, 2017, 12:14:00 PM

Just mesmerised by the massive turnouts for Trump.

The protests I mean, not the inauguration, there was hardly anyone there, had to use Obama's turnout pics.....

Ah, yes, the progressive believers in the democratic process. Will it make any difference? Not.
As for the rest of the world. Same sh*t, different place.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 21, 2017, 12:46:49 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 21, 2017, 12:34:18 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 21, 2017, 12:14:00 PM
Just mesmerised by the massive turnouts for Trump.

The protests I mean, not the inauguration, there was hardly anyone there, had to use Obama's turnout pics.....

what a stupid post! people cannot turn out when they're unemployed and broke. :dh:

True, suppose it's a long way from Badiddlyboing, Odawidaho and the tribute bands were shit.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on January 21, 2017, 12:51:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 21, 2017, 12:34:18 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 21, 2017, 12:14:00 PM
Just mesmerised by the massive turnouts for Trump.

The protests I mean, not the inauguration, there was hardly anyone there, had to use Obama's turnout pics.....

what a stupid post! people cannot turn out when they're unemployed and broke. :dh:

What about Soros pocket money ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2017, 01:08:20 PM

Quote from: Wiz on January 21, 2017, 12:51:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 21, 2017, 12:34:18 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 21, 2017, 12:14:00 PM
Just mesmerised by the massive turnouts for Trump.

The protests I mean, not the inauguration, there was hardly anyone there, had to use Obama's turnout pics.....

what a stupid post! people cannot turn out when they're unemployed and broke. :dh:

What about Soros pocket money ?

The "protests" were financed by Soros. Ste doesn't care to admit that he's mesmerised by Nazi's committing violence and hoping to shut down our democracy.

Turnout was actually very good. I suspect Ste only gets his news from Nazi funded sources, so no surprise. :coffeeread:

(http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/soros-ss-photo.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2017, 01:14:06 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 21, 2017, 12:46:49 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 21, 2017, 12:34:18 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 21, 2017, 12:14:00 PM
Just mesmerised by the massive turnouts for Trump.

The protests I mean, not the inauguration, there was hardly anyone there, had to use Obama's turnout pics.....

what a stupid post! people cannot turn out when they're unemployed and broke. :dh:

True, suppose it's a long way from Badiddlyboing, Odawidaho and the tribute bands were shit.....

Sometimes you're a real tool. Toby Keith and others were outstanding. This is a working President. We don't give a rats a$$ about Beyonce or others. So go ahead and live in your world Ste: better music acts (per Hollyweird standards) equals a better POTUS. right?

TMZ on the Inauguration eve concert.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/01/19/donald-trump-inauguration-make-america-great-again-welcome-concert-live/

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,20675.msg456935.html#msg456935

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2017, 02:11:18 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2017, 04:20:07 AM

Watched the inauguration last night. Trump pulled no punches. The look on Obummers face during the speech. Classic.
As for Melania..........just wow. That marine who escorted her must have thanked his lucky stars. :laugh:

This is the best snowflake I could find, having a total meltdown. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

http://www.youtube.com/v/avcyqp_10Yk

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2017, 03:31:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 21, 2017, 02:11:18 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2017, 04:20:07 AM
Watched the inauguration last night. Trump pulled no punches. The look on Obummers face during the speech. Classic.
As for Melania..........just wow. That marine who escorted her must have thanked his lucky stars. :laugh:

This is the best snowflake I could find, having a total meltdown. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

http://www.youtube.com/v/avcyqp_10Yk

This is fake news. She knew she was being filmed. The eyes give it away.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 21, 2017, 04:00:24 PM

Wonder if Trump will see that Hillary will be thoroughly investigated, and receive proper punishment?

Clinton Election Fraud Saga Continues: DOJ Sues NYC Election Board for Pre-Primary Mass Voter Purge

http://russia-insider.com/en/election-fraud-continues-haunt-democrats-justice-dept-sues-officials-responsible-mass-voter-purge-ny

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 21, 2017, 09:23:44 PM

The Trump ~~countdown~~ countup

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20170120T12&p0=263&msg=Trump+Becomes+President+of+the+United+States+of+America&font=cursive

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2017, 10:02:47 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 21, 2017, 12:14:00 PM

Just mesmerised by the massive turnouts for Trump.

The protests I mean, not the inauguration, there was hardly anyone there, had to use Obama's turnout pics.....

Just as I suspected, the photos were doctored by our incredibly dishonest media. I mostly watch Fox as they are far more honest than CNN, MSNBC, etc. Those first two are the absolute worst at manipulation.

https://twitter.com/nia4_trump/status/822947042859380738

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2017, 10:25:13 PM

More on the REAL crowd figures, not the #FakeNewsMedia figures which gullible people believe. I watched it for several hours. In fact there were 120,000 MORE people who used the metro trains compared to Hussein O's 2012 Inauguration. Sean Spicer explained the real crowds were actually more for Trump than any President in the past.

https://twitter.com/CarmineZozzora/status/822990773503152128

this is actually pretty cool.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2017, 10:39:55 PM

Gavin McInnes gives a really great interview about the Deploraball. He punched a protester out and it was funny as hell to here him describe this.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=-PqmglUztF8

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on January 21, 2017, 10:59:40 PM

Quote from: Markje on January 21, 2017, 03:30:37 AM

It just occured to me, this board never had a "President Clinton" thread :)

I did start one.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on January 21, 2017, 11:05:08 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 21, 2017, 10:02:47 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 21, 2017, 12:14:00 PM
Just mesmerised by the massive turnouts for Trump.

The protests I mean, not the inauguration, there was hardly anyone there, had to use Obama's turnout pics.....

Just as I suspected, the photos were doctored by our incredibly dishonest media. I mostly watch Fox as they are far more honest than CNN, MSNBC, etc. Those first two are the absolute worst at manipulation.

https://twitter.com/nia4_trump/status/822947042859380738

You know if Trump makes it for his full term and once all his promises have failed, he'll blame the people.
I'll let you figure out who did that years ago.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 22, 2017, 03:24:52 AM

More on the real crowd size.

https://twitter.com/clw4packers/status/823034212085272576

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 22, 2017, 03:26:48 AM

One sunny day in January, 2017, an old man approaches the White House from across Pennsylvania Avenue where he’d been sitting on a park bench. He speaks to the U.S. Marine standing guard and says,
“I would like to go in and meet with President Obama.”
The Marine looks at the man and says,
“Sir, Mr. Obama is no longer president and no longer resides here.”
The old man says,
“Okay,” and walks away.
The following day the same man approaches the White House and says to the same Marine,
“I would like to go in and meet with President Obama.”
The Marine again tells the man,
“Sir, as I said yesterday, Mr. Obama is no longer president and no longer resides here.”
The man thanks him and again walks away.
On the third day, the same man approaches the White House and speaks to the very same U.S. Marine, saying,
“I would like to go in and meet with President Obama.”
The Marine, understandably agitated at this point, looks at the man and says,
“Sir, this is the third day in a row you have been here asking to speak to Mr. Obama. I’ve told you already that Mr. Obama is no longer the president and no longer resides here. Don’t you understand?”
The old man looks at the Marine and says,
“Oh, I understand. I just love hearing it.”
The Marine snaps to attention, salutes, and says,
“See you tomorrow, Sir!”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Danchik on January 22, 2017, 03:41:24 AM

Yes, Trump protests were held all around the world (:). Here's an example of 1 sent to me by a friend in Houston. I sure do hope the police can control this crowd. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 22, 2017, 03:51:13 AM

Danchik..

lest you thought your vid was 'typical'..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38700123 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38700123)

Can't really see the point of non-Americans protesting about the daftness / gullibility of the US electorate .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 22, 2017, 03:57:15 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 22, 2017, 03:51:13 AM

daftness / gullibility........

So to be clear, anyone who votes for something you dont agree with, be it Brexit, Trump or whatever, is daft and gullible? Because you - all knowing one - are the only one who can see the correct way? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 22, 2017, 04:06:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 21, 2017, 10:25:13 PM

More on the REAL crowd figures, not the #FakeNewsMedia figures which gullible people believe. I watched it for several hours. In fact there were 120,000 MORE people who used the metro trains compared to Hussein O's 2012 Inauguration. Sean Spicer explained the real crowds were actually more for Trump than any President in the past.

Reminds me of Comical Ali lol.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 22, 2017, 04:07:33 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 22, 2017, 03:57:15 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 22, 2017, 03:51:13 AM
daftness / gullibility........

So to be clear, anyone who votes for something you dont agree with, be it Brexit, Trump or whatever, is daft and gullible? Because you - all knowing one - are the only one who can see the correct way? :chuckle:

Maybe he meant the protesters are daft and gullible? :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Danchik on January 22, 2017, 04:30:08 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 22, 2017, 03:51:13 AM

Danchik..

lest you thought your vid was 'typical'..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38700123 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38700123)

Can't really see the point of non-Americans protesting about the daftness / gullibility of the US electorate .

Oh Moby, at least you didn't talk in the third person (:).

My "vid" was typical of protests around the country, at least the ones that weren't sponsored by Soros and the like.

And as your usual style of comparing apples to oranges, you show a planned march on Washington as a show of women's solidarity, which is not "quite" the same.

If women around the country had turned out in cities around the country, then I'd understand your point a little better. But, as per "moby's" style (:), you twist and turn and distort another's point in only a way you can muster.

Houston happens to be the 4th largest city in America by population, so I think the "vid" is a good eample of what went on in other cities. And again, taking into account a march represented by ALL Americans, not just women.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 22, 2017, 07:00:43 AM

Quote from: Danchik on January 22, 2017, 04:30:08 AM

My "vid" was typical of protests around the country, at least the ones that weren't sponsored by Soros and the like.

Ah, so 'now' the anti'-Tramp' protesters are 'gullible' because they are 'marching to Soros' the pied piper ? :chuckle:

Quote from: Danchik on January 22, 2017, 04:30:08 AM

And as your usual style of comparing apples to oranges, you show a planned march on Washington as a show of women's solidarity, which is not "quite" the same.

I 'showed' a march in the United Kingdom ... :coffeeread:

Quote from: Danchik on January 22, 2017, 04:30:08 AM

If women around the country had turned out in cities around the country, then I'd understand your point a little better. But, as per "moby's" style (:), you twist and turn and distort another's point in only a way you can muster.

Moby's 'style' is - hopefully - to read/view what t'other guy posted - before proving you didn't :coffeeread:

I'm sure the kind mods will save you from yourself and make it appear I accepted your riposte :chuckle:

Quote from: Danchik on January 22, 2017, 04:30:08 AM

Houston happens to be the 4th largest city in America by population, so I think the "vid" is a good eample of what went on in other cities. And again, taking into account a march represented by ALL Americans, not just women.

Like I said... I don't see the point in protesting about what Americans voted for..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 22, 2017, 07:07:56 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 22, 2017, 04:06:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 21, 2017, 10:25:13 PM
More on the REAL crowd figures, not the #FakeNewsMedia figures which gullible people believe. I watched it for several hours. In fact there were 120,000 MORE people who used the metro trains compared to Hussein O's 2012 Inauguration. Sean Spicer explained the real crowds were actually more for Trump than any President in the past.

Reminds me of Comical Ali lol.

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 22, 2017, 07:10:58 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2xr3ivUcAApGx5.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 22, 2017, 07:36:54 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 22, 2017, 07:10:58 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2xr3ivUcAApGx5.jpg)

The rioters will be charged with a felony, face 10 years in prison and face paying a fine of $25,000.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4144360/Anti-Trump-protesters-face-10-years-prison.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 22, 2017, 12:15:54 PM

Quote from: Danchik on January 22, 2017, 03:41:24 AM

Yes, Trump protests were held all around the world (:). Here's an example of 1 sent to me by a friend in Houston. I sure do hope the police can control this crowd. :)

He is already showing how good a President he will be...
He's already got thousands of fat and overweight women out into the streets doing valuable healthy exercise...
Lets hope that he can keep this up for the next 4 years, imagine how many women will benefit from this fitness regime..
;D

Title: Re: President Trump - alternative facts :)
Post by: msmoby on January 22, 2017, 03:06:01 PM

Well, come on now..

The guys only been in office 5 minutes and he's ordering the media that his inauguration was 'the most popular - when it clearly wasn't ..

The guy's ego is going to be a HUGE embarrassment ..

Hands up who's admitting you elected a loon

Title: Re: President Trump - alternative facts :)
Post by: shakespear on January 22, 2017, 04:18:46 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 22, 2017, 03:06:01 PM

Well, come on now..

The guys only been in office 5 minutes and he's ordering the media that his inauguration was 'the most popular - when it clearly wasn't ..

I would agree that it was poor form to use the CIA HQ meeting to talk about his TV ratings and how many people attended his inauguration.

After all, what difference does it make?

However I thought Spicer's Saturday announcement was brilliant. It put the press on notice that they were going to be responsible for what they report and that the protocol for the press room was going to be much different than it was over the last eight years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 22, 2017, 04:21:26 PM

Quote from: Danchik on January 22, 2017, 03:41:24 AM

Yes, Trump protests were held all around the world (:). Here's an example of 1 sent to me by a friend in Houston. I sure do hope the police can control this crowd. :)

Just think of it Danchik. In ONE DAY Donald Trump was responsible for more young overweight women going outside and getting some exercise that Michelle Obama was in eight years.

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 22, 2017, 06:38:13 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 22, 2017, 04:21:26 PM

Quote from: Danchik on January 22, 2017, 03:41:24 AM
Yes, Trump protests were held all around the world (:). Here's an example of 1 sent to me by a friend in Houston. I sure do hope the police can control this crowd. :)

Just think of it Danchik. In ONE DAY Donald Trump was responsible for more young overweight women going outside and getting some exercise that Michelle Obama was in eight years.
tiphat

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 22, 2017, 06:53:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 22, 2017, 04:21:26 PM

Quote from: Danchik on January 22, 2017, 03:41:24 AM
Yes, Trump protests were held all around the world (:). Here's an example of 1 sent to me by a friend in Houston. I sure do hope the police can control this crowd. :)

Just think of it Danchik. In ONE DAY Donald Trump was responsible for more young overweight women going outside and getting some exercise that Michelle Obama was in eight years.

tiphat

These marches were planned and paid for nearly two years ago. They were supposed to be celebratory for the coronation of the evil witch. It had to be switched to protesting Trump.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C20ZCK6UkAE0Nzh.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 22, 2017, 07:00:34 PM

meanwhile in Canada. One of Donk's hero's?

http://www.therebel.media/shock_video_rebel_reporter_attacked_by_alberta_ndp_thug

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 22, 2017, 07:10:06 PM

Sean Spicer practicing for the next press conf.

https://twitter.com/MOVEFORWARDHUGE/status/823351728615473152

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 22, 2017, 10:53:10 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 22, 2017, 04:21:26 PM

Quote from: Danchik on January 22, 2017, 03:41:24 AM
Yes, Trump protests were held all around the world (:). Here's an example of 1 sent to me by a friend in Houston. I sure do hope the police can control this crowd. :)

Just think of it Danchik. In ONE DAY Donald Trump was responsible for more young overweight women going outside and getting some exercise that Michelle Obama was in eight years.

tiphat

Copy cat..... ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 23, 2017, 01:12:36 AM

Neo Marxism in America and why the left does not want to accept President Trump.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/20/mourning-in-marxist-america/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 23, 2017, 02:59:19 AM

Some satire from Jonathan Pie. Note to Trump fans, this clip contains some hard words.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Danchik on January 23, 2017, 04:11:57 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 21, 2017, 02:11:18 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2017, 04:20:07 AM
Watched the inauguration last night. Trump pulled no punches. The look on Obummers face during the speech. Classic.
As for Melania..........just wow. That marine who escorted her must have thanked his lucky stars. :laugh:

This is the best snowflake I could find, having a total meltdown. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

http://www.youtube.com/v/avcyqp_10Yk

You should like this one then.

Not a valid youtube URL
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 23, 2017, 07:36:09 AM

Quote from: Danchik on January 23, 2017, 04:11:57 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 21, 2017, 02:11:18 PM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 21, 2017, 04:20:07 AM
Watched the inauguration last night. Trump pulled no punches. The look on Obummers face during the speech. Classic.
As for Melania..........just wow. That marine who escorted her must have thanked his lucky stars. :laugh:

This is the best snowflake I could find, having a total meltdown. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

http://www.youtube.com/v/avcyqp_10Yk

You should like this one then.

Not a valid youtube URL
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

His face reminded me of the Cowardly Lion from the Wizard of Oz. Don't worry buddy, Trump will give you some courage, if you let him. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 23, 2017, 07:42:39 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 22, 2017, 03:26:48 AM

One sunny day in January, 2017, an old man approaches the White House from across Pennsylvania Avenue where he’d been sitting on a park bench. He speaks to the U.S. Marine standing guard and says,
“I would like to go in and meet with President Obama.”
The Marine looks at the man and says,
“Sir, Mr. Obama is no longer president and no longer resides here.”
The old man says,
“Okay,” and walks away.
The following day the same man approaches the White House and says to the same Marine,
“I would like to go in and meet with President Obama.”
The Marine again tells the man,
“Sir, as I said yesterday, Mr. Obama is no longer president and no longer resides here.”
The man thanks him and again walks away.
On the third day, the same man approaches the White House and speaks to the very same U.S. Marine, saying,
“I would like to go in and meet with President Obama.”
The Marine, understandably agitated at this point, looks at the man and says,
“Sir, this is the third day in a row you have been here asking to speak to Mr. Obama. I’ve told you already that Mr. Obama is no longer the president and no longer resides here. Don’t you understand?”
The old man looks at the Marine and says,
“Oh, I understand. I just love hearing it.”
The Marine snaps to attention, salutes, and says,
“See you tomorrow, Sir!”

tiphat :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 23, 2017, 07:47:16 AM

Trump digs in. Regulations and corporate taxes will be cut, ASAP!

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/823541455486676994

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 23, 2017, 10:50:40 AM

Good news!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rubio-to-back-tillerson-for-secretary-of-state/ar-AAm8Q2Q?li=BBnb7Kz

more good news.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-halts-hiring-of-federal-workers-freezes-pay-raises/ar-AAm8QWN?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 23, 2017, 08:50:15 PM

Trump just stole a MAJOR voting block away from the Dummocraps; they are focked royally.

https://twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/823651540678234112

Meanwhile Press Secretary Spicer lets the press know that there's a new way of doing things.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/01/23/spicer-new-sheriff-shakes-up-white-house-press-room-how-refreshing.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 23, 2017, 08:53:05 PM

Just watch, Trump will save thousands more of good paying jobs right here.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/23/us-pilots-ask-trump-to-block-obama-admin-ruling-say-would-kill-thousands-jobs.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 24, 2017, 01:29:31 AM

Right,

So anyone of those protesting against trumps inauguration, destroying properties and getting arrested and convicted.

Will now have a felony on their record and ..... will loose the right to vote?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 24, 2017, 04:47:50 AM

" I don't want realism. I want magic! Yes, yes, magic. I try to give that to people. I do misrepresent things. I don't tell truths. I tell what ought to be truth. "

Blanche from a Streetcar Named Desire by T. Williams.

Certainly Obama believed this but Trump is not that different. Like a majority of posters I hope Trump can make things better. While some think in a year we will know I suspect that by the start of summer it will be clear what the future holds. I am not optimistic, there is persistent talk about raising the debt ceiling. And while some Hillary snowflakes are melting the government continues on its course and this is the mountain that Trump will have to conquer.

If Trump can reign in some of the foreign adventurism this will be positive for everyone. If he can change the tenor of the political climate this will be a bonus. On both of these areas I do not see this happening.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 24, 2017, 06:59:03 AM

Trump is playing a good game here. If you look at everything he has 'achieved' it is all flash with little substance. For example TPP has not been ratified by the US. Freezes on hires are nothing new. Talking about renegotiating NAFTA is just a negotiating position.

That's not to say that these things should NOT be done but that what is being done here is a process of making his presence felt. He is doing exactly what a new CEO or department head will do when moving into the position. This 'easy' activity will tend to consolidate support from existing supporters but will demonstrate to those who oppose or who are uncommitted that he is actually doing stuff.

Thing is that replacing ObamaCare is a huge task and only an idiot would expect to see instant changes of anything substantial. Team Trump knows this and are busily managing expectations among the voterate.

Another point to remember is that the president has considerably more leeway in terms of his foreign policy than his domestic policy. If the guy wants to make a difference it will be in foreign matters, not domestic. My guess is that he is going to turn up the wick on foreign policy to create the impression of activity and change and the domestic stuff will go much more slowly. However, I am interested to see the details of the Democrat proposals about infrastructure that they have fielded at Trump. The headline deets look promising however, on past form, I expect that there will be very significant poison pills embedded that will make his acceptance impossible - that will then lead to a Democrat assertion that Trump is not actually interested in infrastructure as he claimed on the stump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on January 24, 2017, 09:44:05 AM

It has gone through unnoticed but it is clear that behind Trump are the US Armed Forces who decided to finish once and for all with the “outside elites".

Shortly before the Trump deliver the sentence:

.. "Today's ceremony, however, has very special meaning. Because today we are not merely transferring power from one Administration to another or from one party to another - but we are transferring power from Washington D.C. to the American people",

A group of young officers of all arms appeared in procession and stood behind him, Then when he finished the special importance of that sentence, the officers left the same way they arrive.

Additionally later at 8.37 gave a clear message to everybody, especially the powerful Jewish lobby…..

“America First” and repeated again….

We have to wait and see.

:smokin:

Meanwhile........

Neocons in Meltdown

(http://russia-insider.com/sites/insider/files/styles/s400/public/main/2017-Jan-24/neoconed1.jpg?itok=zfmGeJPv)

Read this article: http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/neocon-lament/ri18672

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 24, 2017, 11:36:27 AM

More high paying jobs, more winning.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/24/us/politics/keystone-dakota-pipeline-trump.html?_r=0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 24, 2017, 12:38:53 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 24, 2017, 11:36:27 AM

More high paying jobs, more winning.

As he promised during the campaign.

Should have been done 8 years ago . . . . . . . .

Your boy is doing GREAT so far!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 24, 2017, 02:51:39 PM

More brilliance from Trump. It appears his nominee for the Supreme Court will be Justice Neil Gorsuch from the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals. At 49 years old he will be the youngest Supreme Court Justice in many years and can be expected to serve for 30-40 years after he is approved by the Senate. He is both a textualist and a originalist in his interpretation of The Constitution. Liberals will absolutely HATE him.

Speaking of liberals, what ever happened to TomT?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 24, 2017, 03:03:57 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 24, 2017, 12:38:53 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 24, 2017, 11:36:27 AM
More high paying jobs, more winning.

As he promised during the campaign.

Should have been done 8 years ago . . . . . . . .

Your boy is doing GREAT so far!

Thank you and I'm happy you agree! Some people said he would not build a wall. I believe it will be built although it may take 18 to 24 months. Hopefully he will utilize the National Guard and drones in the meantime to enforce border security.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 24, 2017, 03:06:30 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 24, 2017, 02:51:39 PM

Speaking of liberals, what ever happened to TomT?

He split November 20. He was besides himself about the lowlifes, as he perceived them, that have taken over.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 24, 2017, 03:07:37 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 24, 2017, 02:51:39 PM

More brilliance from Trump. It appears his nominee for the Supreme Court will be Justice Neil Gorsuch from the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals. At 49 years old he will be the youngest Supreme Court Justice in many years and can be expected to serve for 30-40 years after he is approved by the Senate. He is both a textualist and a originalist in his interpretation of The Constitution. Liberals will absolutely HATE him.

More Winning! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President 'Tramp'
Post by: msmoby on January 24, 2017, 03:20:27 PM

You got to hand it to the Dutch ..

Flipping brilliant ;)

You don't need to be a facebooker to view it :

https://www.facebook.com/zondagmetlubach/videos/1255295904562149/ (https://www.facebook.com/zondagmetlubach/videos/1255295904562149/)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 24, 2017, 06:28:21 PM

Those were the days...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 25, 2017, 01:58:20 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 24, 2017, 03:20:27 PM

You got to hand it to the Dutch ..

Flipping brilliant ;)

You don't need to be a facebooker to view it :

https://www.facebook.com/zondagmetlubach/videos/1255295904562149/ (https://www.facebook.com/zondagmetlubach/videos/1255295904562149/)

That is actually very funny.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 25, 2017, 02:06:52 AM

What ACTUALLY happened election night with Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 25, 2017, 02:41:48 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 25, 2017, 01:58:20 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 24, 2017, 03:20:27 PM
You got to hand it to the Dutch ..

Flipping brilliant ;)

You don't need to be a facebooker to view it :

https://www.facebook.com/zondagmetlubach/videos/1255295904562149/ (https://www.facebook.com/zondagmetlubach/videos/1255295904562149/)

That is actually very funny.

I agree. Good one Moby! Keep that up and Manny will appoint you a moderator. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 25, 2017, 04:25:46 AM

Gotta hand it to Dennis Skinner lol!!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:02:15 AM

Interesting, what happened to my title edit?

Is it cos I said Dennis Skinner said Trump is as thick as two short planks?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 25, 2017, 06:26:44 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:02:15 AM

Interesting, what happened to my title edit?

Is it cos I said Dennis Skinner said Trump is as thick as two short planks?

Who's Dennis Skinner to talk?? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:27:25 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 25, 2017, 06:26:44 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:02:15 AM
Interesting, what happened to my title edit?

Is it cos I said Dennis Skinner said Trump is as thick as two short planks?

Who's Dennis Skinner to talk?? :laugh:

I know, but it was funny!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 25, 2017, 06:30:28 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:27:25 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 25, 2017, 06:26:44 AM
Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:02:15 AM
Interesting, what happened to my title edit?

Is it cos I said Dennis Skinner said Trump is as thick as two short planks?

Who's Dennis Skinner to talk?? :laugh:

I know, but it was funny!

Can you see everyone laughing?? :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:31:27 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 25, 2017, 06:30:28 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:27:25 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 25, 2017, 06:26:44 AM
Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:02:15 AM
Interesting, what happened to my title edit?

Is it cos I said Dennis Skinner said Trump is as thick as two short planks?

Who's Dennis Skinner to talk?? :laugh:

I know, but it was funny!

Can you see everyone laughing?? :popcorn:

Even if it's just me at least I'm happy!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 25, 2017, 06:33:10 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:31:27 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 25, 2017, 06:30:28 AM
Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:27:25 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 25, 2017, 06:26:44 AM
Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:02:15 AM
Interesting, what happened to my title edit?

Is it cos I said Dennis Skinner said Trump is as thick as two short planks?

Who's Dennis Skinner to talk?? :laugh:

I know, but it was funny!

Can you see everyone laughing?? :popcorn:

Even if it's just me at least I'm happy!

Just keep smoking the "whacky baccy" darling... ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 25, 2017, 07:02:26 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 25, 2017, 06:33:10 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:31:27 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 25, 2017, 06:30:28 AM
Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:27:25 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 25, 2017, 06:26:44 AM
Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:02:15 AM
Interesting, what happened to my title edit?

Is it cos I said Dennis Skinner said Trump is as thick as two short planks?

Who's Dennis Skinner to talk?? :laugh:

I know, but it was funny!

Can you see everyone laughing?? :popcorn:

Even if it's just me at least I'm happy!

Just keep smoking the "whacky baccy" darling... ;D

he did say he could score great drugs in Germany. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 25, 2017, 07:17:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 25, 2017, 07:02:26 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 25, 2017, 06:33:10 AM
Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:31:27 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 25, 2017, 06:30:28 AM
Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:27:25 AM
Quote from: Gipsy on January 25, 2017, 06:26:44 AM
Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 06:02:15 AM
Interesting, what happened to my title edit?

Is it cos I said Dennis Skinner said Trump is as thick as two short planks?

Who's Dennis Skinner to talk?? :laugh:

I know, but it was funny!

Can you see everyone laughing?? :popcorn:

Even if it's just me at least I'm happy!

Just keep smoking the "whacky baccy" darling... ;D

he did say he could score great drugs in Germany. :laugh:

I'm not in Germany! Not been there since I escorted the current Mrs Ste to Herford (not Hereford, that's the mistake the IRA made during the Murder of the Colonels in NI, thought they were SAS, one of the most heartbreaking things I ever saw on British telly, awful). I was working from car that week via dongle and 4G, and no-one at work knew where I was at all....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 25, 2017, 07:25:44 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 25, 2017, 07:17:45 AM

I was working from car that week via dongle and 4G, and no-one at work knew where I was at all....

?? You had 4G 29 years ago.... and they were CORPORALS ! :)

Title: Re: President 'Tramp'
Post by: msmoby on January 25, 2017, 07:42:42 AM

Quote from: Maxx on January 25, 2017, 02:41:48 AM

Keep that up and Manny will appoint you a moderator. :thumbsup:

' Oh dear' I may have blown my chances, then ...

THIS week's ~~Punch~~ Private Eye..

(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k634/Svietik/IMG_20170125_143746_zpsxwwxji0h.jpg)

Title: Re: President 'Tramp'
Post by: 2tallbill on January 25, 2017, 10:10:53 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 24, 2017, 03:20:27 PM

You got to hand it to the Dutch ..

Flipping brilliant ;)

You don't need to be a facebooker to view it :

https://www.facebook.com/zondagmetlubach/videos/1255295904562149/ (https://www.facebook.com/zondagmetlubach/videos/1255295904562149/)

That was pretty funny

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 25, 2017, 10:45:54 AM

Trump using military tactics to overwhelm the mainstream media.

"Notice how the media was still trying to figure out how to best go about attacking the rather unspecific undermining of Obamacare when Trump dropped the more highly targeted EPA freeze and pipeline orders on them. They had barely begun to even report on those acts when news of the immigration-related orders was then leaked. The God-Emperor is using executive momentum and his ability to make rapid decisions to disrupt and neutralize the mainstream media's vast, but cumbersome communications apparatus. Much like the Germans created maneuver warfare to avoid the formidable artillery barrages of the Allies and break through the trenches in WWI, Trump is using high-speed maneuver politics to smash the three-day media cycle, thereby preventing his opponents from targeting any individual action".

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/01/3rd-generation-politics.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 25, 2017, 10:51:15 AM

This is not really important anymore but some may find it of interest.

http://truthfeed.com/just-in-cnn-back-pedals-and-releases-updated-picture-of-trumps-real-inaugural-crowd/48630/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 25, 2017, 12:41:01 PM

The Dow Jones crosses 20,000 first time in history. I'm exhausted from all this winning. :8)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/columnists/ct-dow-20000-0125-20170125-column.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 25, 2017, 02:53:50 PM

The liberals will never understand, how, why or what caused them to lose
an election. Having said that, I hope she runs again and wins the Democrat
nomination again.

I'm guessing that they won't call it the "Crooked Hillary Show"

'I'll be back!': Defeated candidate Clinton considers launching liberal television show
to lay the groundwork for ANOTHER White House run

Hillary Clinton is reportedly considering the launch of a TV show to keep herself
in the news. The move would position her for a 2020 presidential run, according
to an insider. She recently offered a toast to friends gathered at her Washington
home, affecting an Arnold Schwarzenegger accent and promising: 'I'll be back'
Clinton doesn't think Barack Obama will fight enough for liberal priorities, 'which leaves an opening for her to be the acknowledged leader-in-exile of her party'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4156564/Hillary-television-groundwork-White-House-run.html#ixzz4WoRhwZtT

I am sure that zillions find Hillary compelling, interesting and worth watching
NOT! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 25, 2017, 08:26:43 PM

Louder with Crowder host punks the women's movement by dressing up as tranny Stephanie. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 26, 2017, 07:59:47 AM

Andrew will enjoy this one. Cartoonist and blogger Scott Adams on contrasts and Trumps first few days in office.
He also touches on freedom of speech and the fact that twitter has censored him.

https://www.periscope.tv/w/1dRJZXlrQpmKB

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 26, 2017, 10:46:24 AM

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16106041_232429997206635_7540038871921655857_n.jpg?oh=a70357f4822a0d1961bd9ad8994936af&oe=59023345)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 26, 2017, 11:26:58 AM

GOP leaders to Trump: Congress will pay for border wall

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/26/gop-leaders-to-trump-congress-will-pay-for-border-wall.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 26, 2017, 11:36:48 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 26, 2017, 11:26:58 AM

GOP leaders to Trump: Congress will pay for border wall

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16174540_238495639933404_7534698872161734102_n.jpg?oh=50d2ea30f6db4cd5260a4608ceee1221&oe=594B98DF)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 26, 2017, 09:14:33 PM

WATCH: President Trump Sits Down With Hannity at the White House

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/01/26/president-donald-trump-sits-down-sean-hannity-white-house-exclusive-interview

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2017, 05:16:06 AM

The police are now operating with confidence. Anarchists gets punched in the face by working man. Working man walks away and goes to work. Anarchist is arrested. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2017, 05:33:37 AM

This one is even better. Anarchists block bus service, get body slammed and arrested. Crowd erupts in applause.

https://twitter.com/OnlineMagazin/status/824576052932575232

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 27, 2017, 07:34:58 AM

This is how the globalist see it.

If implemented, these initiatives and other steps Trump has previewed will usher in a new era of American foreign policy, after decades of bipartisan agreement that the United States has a responsibility to spread democracy and stand up for the oppressed, and that it would prosper when a united, free world prospered.

This is how they rationalize send our wealth all over the world. (not in story but my belief ) The EU, the world most globalist organization is not going to get along with Trump very well at all.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-lays-groundwork-to-change-us-role-in-the-world/ar-AAmi4g2?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 27, 2017, 07:42:07 AM

I do not understand the problem here. Do we want more jobs or do we want to lowest price with no jobs. Yes for a while things will cost more then they will come down when the factories move back. Of course never completely as cheap is the cheap labor but in the long run we as a country will have more.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/analysis-trump-import-tax-to-pay-for-mexican-wall-would-hit-american-consumers/ar-AAmi87x?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 27, 2017, 07:49:50 AM

What's the process in USA for removing a President who is mentally unstable?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 27, 2017, 08:02:55 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 27, 2017, 07:49:50 AM

What's the process in USA for removing a President who is mentally unstable?

Dunno, seems like no one ever tried to remove Obama... ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 27, 2017, 08:23:06 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on January 27, 2017, 07:42:07 AM

I do not understand the problem here.

You will... when 'Tramp's' new protectionism results in other nations playing the same 'game' ....it ends in conflict .... that's what has ALWAYS happened, historically ...

That's why I liked the EU - warts and all - as most members realise that trade inter dependency makes conflict less likely

Title: Re: President 'Tramp'
Post by: msmoby on January 27, 2017, 08:44:36 AM

Seems I'm not the only one who's been misspelling THeresa's Christian name .. :-[

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38771176 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38771176)

''Theresa May's name misspelled in US memo''

It's hardly worth a BBC headline..!

FAR more interesting would be hearing THeresa putting it straight to her host re his stance on Muslims ...

Do I think she'll bring it up ? NO WAY .. The sad fact is the UK needs new 'fwends'

Title: Re: President 'Tramp'
Post by: Gipsy on January 27, 2017, 11:20:05 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 27, 2017, 08:44:36 AM

Seems I'm not the only one who's been misspelling THeresa's Christian name .. :-[

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38771176 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38771176)

''Theresa May's name misspelled in US memo''

It's hardly worth a BBC headline..!

FAR more interesting would be hearing THeresa putting it straight to her host re his stance on Muslims ...

Do I think she'll bring it up ? NO WAY .. The sad fact is the UK needs new 'fwends'

Nothing wrong with his stance on Muslims..

Much wrong with your stance on them.. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2017, 12:09:07 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on January 27, 2017, 07:34:58 AM

This is how the globalist see it.

If implemented, these initiatives and other steps Trump has previewed will usher in a new era of American foreign policy, after decades of bipartisan agreement that the United States has a responsibility to spread democracy and stand up for the oppressed, and that it would prosper when a united, free world prospered.

This is how they rationalize send our wealth all over the world. (not in story but my belief ) The EU, the world most globalist organization is not going to get along with Trump very well at all.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-lays-groundwork-to-change-us-role-in-the-world/ar-AAmi4g2?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Fu*k the EU! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2017, 12:28:50 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 27, 2017, 08:02:55 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 27, 2017, 07:49:50 AM
What's the process in USA for removing ~~President~~ an anarchist who is mentally unstable?

Dunno, seems like no one ever tried to remove Obama... ;D

FTFY Ste. Refer to the links I posted above of the Police now doing their job.

tiphat

We the People who elected Trump want you and your ilk (Ste and co.) to worry about your own affairs. We've had enough of crybabies blocking our paths and disrupting our events.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2017, 12:35:52 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 27, 2017, 11:20:05 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 27, 2017, 08:44:36 AM
Seems I'm not the only one who's been misspelling THeresa's Christian name .. :-[

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38771176 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38771176)

''Theresa May's name misspelled in US memo''

It's hardly worth a BBC headline..!

FAR more interesting would be hearing THeresa putting it straight to her host re his stance on Muslims ...

Do I think she'll bring it up ? NO WAY .. The sad fact is the UK needs new 'fwends'

Nothing wrong with his stance on Muslims..

Much wrong with your stance on them.. :coffeeread:

Hopefully someday Mohabism will hitchhike thru a Muslim country. After they bend him over and eff him in the arse; that will be his stance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2017, 12:45:06 PM

just for snowflakes like ste and noby.

https://twitter.com/Eggkin/status/824881411119210496

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3IpDIKXAAUD4CY.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 27, 2017, 12:49:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 27, 2017, 12:45:06 PM

just for snowflakes like ste and noby.

https://twitter.com/Eggkin/status/824881411119210496

Wasting your time, I never click on any links here since there is no balance whatsoever in anyone's stance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2017, 12:58:52 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 27, 2017, 12:49:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 27, 2017, 12:45:06 PM
just for snowflakes like ste and noby.

https://twitter.com/Eggkin/status/824881411119210496

Wasting your time, I never click on any links here since there is no balance whatsoever in anyone's stance.

speak for yourself. this is what you support. a "women's march" which was organized by a muslim brotherhood/isis supporting female. who knew it was possible for the lefties to be so literally mentally deranged.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3L-5GAWYAAPMSa.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 27, 2017, 01:19:46 PM

Kind of refreshing having an elected official keep their campaign promises. :)

Trump Expected to Sign Directive Halting Refugee Flows to US

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/770750?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1707715_01272017&s=al&dkt_nbr=yoavbhxk&section=Politics&keywords=US-Trump&year=2017&month=01&date=27&id=770750&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2017, 01:31:38 PM

The real womens march.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/politics/march-for-life.html?_r=0

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3NFA_AWYAA5y5q.jpg:large)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2017, 02:19:40 PM

Press conference with British Prime Minister Theresa May.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 27, 2017, 02:50:22 PM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170127/1e42b349a08e67dacab2ba894e8fd781.jpg)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 27, 2017, 04:42:27 PM

Did the Sun writers know that the Trump white house welcoming committee
weren't Native Americans? Maybe they thought they were part of the Navy?
Silly boys in their attempt to point fun at the Trump team they managed to
do exactly the same thing themselves ;D

Sun writers don't know the names or titles of White House officials. They call them bungling White House chiefs.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2719157/donald-trumps-bungling-white-house-team-misspell-theresa-may-and-accidentally-name-her-after-porn-actress-who-starred-in-prodigys-smack-my-bitch-up/

Note: the above post was tongue in cheek, making fun of the British press
who love to make mountains out of molehills for minor etiquette faux pas
made by Americans both real and imagined.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2017, 05:21:23 PM

Trump draining the swamp of Hussein O. appointees.

https://www.teaparty.org/trump-admin-wastes-no-time-firing-u-s-border-patrol-chief-handpicked-obama-215155/?platform=hootsuite

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2017, 05:22:43 PM

More winning. :party0031: :party0031: :party0031:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-24/toyota-adding-400-indiana-jobs-in-600-million-answer-to-trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 27, 2017, 06:54:16 PM

I've no doubt there was voter fraud. If an investigation is done, I'd be willing to bet the findings will be much closer to the figures Trump has been quoting.

Trump argument bolstered: Clinton could have received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, study finds

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 27, 2017, 07:00:08 PM

Hey, celebs for Hillary: Weren't you moving overseas?

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-92438955/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2017, 07:45:27 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 27, 2017, 06:54:16 PM

I've no doubt there was voter fraud. If an investigation is done, I'd be willing to bet the findings will be much closer to the figures Trump has been quoting.

Trump argument bolstered: Clinton could have received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, study finds

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

No doubt there has been massive voter fraud. The epicenter of it is in California with corrupt DMV officials.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2017, 08:02:43 PM

Mentally ill secret service agent expelled.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/secret-service-agent-who-suggested-she-wouldnt-take-a-bullet-for-trump-expelled-from-group-for-retired-agents/article/2612951#!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2017, 08:05:51 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 27, 2017, 06:54:16 PM

I've no doubt there was voter fraud. If an investigation is done, I'd be willing to bet the findings will be much closer to the figures Trump has been quoting.

Trump argument bolstered: Clinton could have received 800,000 votes from noncitizens, study finds

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/26/hillary-clinton-received-800000-votes-from-nonciti/

moby's hero responds.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3NdR7yWEAEzgsT.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 27, 2017, 08:25:35 PM

Russia arrest people for interfering with US electrons.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-charged-with-treason-worked-in-office-linked-to-election-hacking/ar-AAmjXsj?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 28, 2017, 04:57:23 AM

So Trump is a racist,

Watch what Bill Clinton had to say in 1995 : https://twitter.com/seven__/status/824963486706966530

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 28, 2017, 06:00:33 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 27, 2017, 07:00:08 PM

Hey, celebs for Hillary: Weren't you moving overseas?

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-92438955/

It's hilarious how certain types act in these situations, almost like children throwing tantrums because they didn't get their own way.

We had weak individuals over here in the UK who threatened to leave the country over Brexit - In fact I'm sure we have a poster on RUA who claimed exactly that. I wonder if any of them will follow it through? :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 28, 2017, 06:47:54 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 28, 2017, 06:00:33 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 27, 2017, 07:00:08 PM

Hey, celebs for Hillary: Weren't you moving overseas?

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-92438955/

It's hilarious how certain types act in these situations, almost like children throwing tantrums because they didn't get their own way.

We had weak individuals over here in the UK who threatened to leave the country over Brexit - In fact I'm sure we have a poster on RUA who claimed exactly that. I wonder if any of them will follow it through? :coffeeread:

Didn't that same poster also rush off to get an Irish passport?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 28, 2017, 06:59:13 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 28, 2017, 06:47:54 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 28, 2017, 06:00:33 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on January 27, 2017, 07:00:08 PM

Hey, celebs for Hillary: Weren't you moving overseas?

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-92438955/

It's hilarious how certain types act in these situations, almost like children throwing tantrums because they didn't get their own way.

We had weak individuals over here in the UK who threatened to leave the country over Brexit - In fact I'm sure we have a poster on RUA who claimed exactly that. I wonder if any of them will follow it through? :coffeeread:
Didn't that same poster also rush off to get an Irish passport?

Didn't he already have one??

Title: Re: President Trump - What has Moby's passport to do with it ? :)
Post by: msmoby on January 28, 2017, 11:17:51 AM

Had an IRL passport since the early noughties..

Very useful when travelling and one 'loses' once's passport for a Visa ..

THeresa's visit went well . What with 'America first' and her desperation to find new markets to sell to - I'm sure the Americans were rubbing their hands with glee :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 28, 2017, 01:00:09 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3Rw5CoUYAAjgMY.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 28, 2017, 01:15:22 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 28, 2017, 06:59:13 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 28, 2017, 06:47:54 AM
Quote from: rosco on January 28, 2017, 06:00:33 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on January 27, 2017, 07:00:08 PM

Hey, celebs for Hillary: Weren't you moving overseas?

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-92438955/

It's hilarious how certain types act in these situations, almost like children throwing tantrums because they didn't get their own way.

We had weak individuals over here in the UK who threatened to leave the country over Brexit - In fact I'm sure we have a poster on RUA who claimed exactly that. I wonder if any of them will follow it through? :coffeeread:
Didn't that same poster also rush off to get an Irish passport?

Didn't he already have one??

Who knows? Obfuscation and half truths are the norm with him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 28, 2017, 05:38:36 PM

Putin & Trump signal new Russia-US partnership with 1st phone call on ISIS, trade & Ukraine

https://www.rt.com/news/375416-putin-trump-telephone-call/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 28, 2017, 05:49:12 PM

To show how serious Trump is on the Muslim ban. He has green card holders from 7 Muslim majority countries banned as well as refugees.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-greencard-idUSKBN15C0KX

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html?_r=0

I have to say, many of these rejections of certain individuals make no sense and worse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 28, 2017, 06:08:10 PM

Quote from: Maxx on January 28, 2017, 05:49:12 PM

To show how serious Trump is on the Muslim ban. He has green card holders from 7 Muslim majority countries banned as well as refugees.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-greencard-idUSKBN15C0KX

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html?_r=0

I have to say, many of these rejections of certain individuals make no sense and worse.

We have seen that all to often terrorists have lived in the United states quite a while before they attack. Green card holder or not you have to lay down a set of rules and keep them firmly in place.
Trump gave plenty of notice of his intentions so those caught in a bind should have made travel plans a bit sooner.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 28, 2017, 06:26:04 PM

The media knew how hated Hillary was and said nothing.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/27/nbcs-chuck-todd-media-knew-how-hated-hillary-was-h/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 28, 2017, 08:09:34 PM

Can a US Federal judge do this??

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/federal-judge-blocks-trump-immigration-ban-nationwide/ar-AAmml8l?ocid=spartanntp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 28, 2017, 09:09:48 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 28, 2017, 08:09:34 PM

Can a US Federal judge do this??

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/federal-judge-blocks-trump-immigration-ban-nationwide/ar-AAmml8l?ocid=spartanntp

Yes they can.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 28, 2017, 10:53:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 28, 2017, 09:09:48 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 28, 2017, 08:09:34 PM
Can a US Federal judge do this??

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/federal-judge-blocks-trump-immigration-ban-nationwide/ar-AAmml8l?ocid=spartanntp

Yes they can.

Don't count on it lasting. Wait and see what President Trump does. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 28, 2017, 11:34:38 PM

This truly puts a tin hat on it, the man is deranged...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 28, 2017, 11:57:48 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 28, 2017, 11:34:38 PM

This truly puts a tin hat on it, the man is deranged...

Why, for wanting to stop potential terrorists from entering the US until such times as a better system of checking and verifying their suitability has been decided and implemented?

That's not deranged, that's logic... :coffeeread:

I hope that the UK will follow this lead.. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 29, 2017, 12:00:53 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 28, 2017, 11:57:48 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 28, 2017, 11:34:38 PM
This truly puts a tin hat on it, the man is deranged...

Why, for wanting to stop potential terrorists from entering the US until such times as a better system of checking and verifying their suitability has been decided and implemented?

That's not deranged, that's logic... :coffeeread:

Why no Saudis who actually did 9/11?

Because of business interests.

I don't think he'll last as long as Cloughie did at Leeds!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 29, 2017, 12:14:50 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 12:00:53 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 28, 2017, 11:57:48 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 28, 2017, 11:34:38 PM
This truly puts a tin hat on it, the man is deranged...

Why, for wanting to stop potential terrorists from entering the US until such times as a better system of checking and verifying their suitability has been decided and implemented?

That's not deranged, that's logic... :coffeeread:

Why no Saudis who actually did 9/11?

Because of business interests.

I don't think he'll last as long as Cloughie did at Leeds!

Point taken..

Still agree with what he wishes to do..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 29, 2017, 01:46:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 28, 2017, 01:00:09 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3Rw5CoUYAAjgMY.jpg)

:laugh: :nod: :ROFL: :thumbsup:

An even more painful death if you have a bad accent!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 29, 2017, 01:50:26 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 12:00:53 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 28, 2017, 11:57:48 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 28, 2017, 11:34:38 PM
This truly puts a tin hat on it, the man is deranged...

Why, for wanting to stop potential terrorists from entering the US until such times as a better system of checking and verifying their suitability has been decided and implemented?

That's not deranged, that's logic... :coffeeread:

Why no Saudis who actually did 9/11?

Because of business interests.

I don't think he'll last as long as Cloughie did at Leeds!

I would have to go back and look up the numbers but I recall the majority of those involved in the terrorist attacks of 11 september were from Saudi Arabia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 29, 2017, 01:51:04 AM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170129/5df96bb219b155e77cf34524e8fe5068.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 02:13:44 AM

The chickens have come home to roost.
For too long, the Muslim ~~caliphate~~ community has refused to condemn Islamic terrorism. In fact, the opposite is true, with many in the community agreeing with it, condoning it and, in many cases, participating in it.
All this while enjoying the benefits of living in the west. By many,the islamisation of the west is actively encouraged while from the rest of the Ummah, a deafening silence emanates.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 02:16:53 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 01:51:04 AM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170129/5df96bb219b155e77cf34524e8fe5068.jpg)

Read up on current sources of Islamic terrorism. 9/11 was over a decade and a half ago. The world has changed since then.

Do keep up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 02:43:50 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 28, 2017, 11:57:48 PM

That's not deranged, that's logic... :coffeeread:

I hope that the UK will follow this lead.. :popcorn:

Well, THersa eventually - asked about it THREE times in Turkey - declined to answer - got around to stating that she 'didn't agree' ..Britain's lapdog leader has raised a measly woof in protest!

A TORY MP - born in - Kurdish Iraqi - now a UK citizen representing Stratford-on-Avon - is now on the dreaded list..

He has two sons at Princeton..

Imagine flying to the States to learn that during your flight - your status became 'refusing entry' ... Well done the US Fed Judge for staying deportations.

Title: Re: President Trump - What has Moby's passport to do with it ? :)
Post by: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 03:12:53 AM

to sail to..?!

SELL to..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 29, 2017, 03:52:09 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 02:16:53 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 01:51:04 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170129/5df96bb219b155e77cf34524e8fe5068.jpg)
Read up on current sources of Islamic terrorism. 9/11 was over a decade and a half ago. The world has changed since then.

Do keep up.

Like almost the whole world this morning I am keeping up.

Its laughable the stance on this here, even the US judiciary have stuck two fingers up at this.

It's unprecedented...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 03:58:08 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 03:52:09 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 02:16:53 AM
Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 01:51:04 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170129/5df96bb219b155e77cf34524e8fe5068.jpg)
Read up on current sources of Islamic terrorism. 9/11 was over a decade and a half ago. The world has changed since then.

Do keep up.

Like almost the whole world this morning I am keeping up.

Its laughable the stance on this here, even the US judiciary have stuck two fingers up at this.

It's unprecedented...

It's Sunday morning. I doubt the whole world is upto much.
The U.S. judiciary? Oh, you mean those 2 Obummer appointees who stayed action in two cases. :rolleye0009:
Unprecedented? Yes, I agree. About time somebody did something.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 29, 2017, 06:13:45 AM

Trump is not the only president to ban people coming into the United states.

Did President Obama ‘Ban’ Iraqi Refugees?

http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/barack-obama-ban-refugees-did-iraq-iraqi-muslim-trump-jimmy-carter-iran-iranian-immigration/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 29, 2017, 06:47:20 AM

Sign this chaps, let's join in with the bannings!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 07:04:55 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 06:47:20 AM

Sign this chaps, let's join in with the bannings!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Here go the bloody snowflakes again. :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 29, 2017, 07:05:41 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 07:04:55 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 06:47:20 AM
Sign this chaps, let's join in with the bannings!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Here go the bloody snowflakes again. :sick0012:

Lighten up FFS!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 29, 2017, 07:23:35 AM

Correct me if I am wrong but is the list of countries not the same as previously interdict ed by the United States on the same basis: that it is not possible to adequately identify and vet would be migrants?

As with the 'wall' this is merely enforcement of previous legislation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 07:28:31 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 07:05:41 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 07:04:55 AM
Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 06:47:20 AM
Sign this chaps, let's join in with the bannings!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Here go the bloody snowflakes again. :sick0012:

Lighten up FFS!!

Upset about something? ?

Title: Re: President Trump - Royal Visit to the UK
Post by: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 07:35:11 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 06:47:20 AM

Sign this chaps, let's join in with the bannings!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Gosh it has over 215K votes, already ..

Now THAT is a petition worth signing, but I don't suspect what might be a majority of UK people's views will have any effect in Parliament - Irony noted...?

When he comes, he doesn't want to meet Prince Charles - in private, apparently - to avoid a 'lecture' on the effects of his damaging policies on climate change :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 29, 2017, 08:09:22 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 02:13:44 AM

The chickens have come home to roost.
For too long, the Muslim ~~caliphate~~ community has refused to condemn Islamic terrorism. In fact, the opposite is true, with many in the community agreeing with it, condoning it and, in many cases, participating in it.
All this while enjoying the benefits of living in the west. By many,the islamisation of the west is actively encouraged while from the rest of the Ummah, a deafening silence emanates.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 29, 2017, 08:11:05 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 29, 2017, 06:13:45 AM

Trump is not the only president to ban people coming into the United states.

Did President Obama ‘Ban’ Iraqi Refugees?

http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/barack-obama-ban-refugees-did-iraq-iraqi-muslim-trump-jimmy-carter-iran-iranian-immigration/

Go back to Jimmy Carter. He banned from Iran and expelled many. The libtards loved the bans then. :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 29, 2017, 08:16:21 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 07:05:41 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 07:04:55 AM
Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 06:47:20 AM
Sign this chaps, let's join in with the bannings!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Here go the bloody snowflakes again. :sick0012:

Lighten up FFS!!

Toughen up FFS!

https://twitter.com/Miami4Trump/status/825423361400520705

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 08:32:38 AM

320K and counting ...

I wish I could find a way to invite them over here :))

Title: Re: President Trump - NOT - wanted in the UK ?
Post by: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 11:13:23 AM

Well, even the Daily Mail is reporting what moderation doesn't want us to see here !

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4168906/More-100-000-sign-petition-cancel-Trump-s-UK-visit.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4168906/More-100-000-sign-petition-cancel-Trump-s-UK-visit.html)

More than 420,000 sign petition to cancel Donald Trump's state visit to Britain in just hours - meaning it HAS to be debated in Parliament

It's nearly half a million now and promises to be the most popular UK petition, ever ..

Interestingly, the DM states what I noticed - many Student towns / cities are signing this petition

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 29, 2017, 11:26:03 AM

To insure the integrity of our voting process, I agree it should be a priority to require state voter registration officials to cross check with the Social Security Death Master file and annually remove dead people from the voting list. We also need to insure state officials check the SSN of every voter and remove any duplication caused by voters who have moved from state to state and/or voting precinct to voting precinct and/or those immigrants not eligible to vote.

That said, I don't believe there are any facts to support President Trump's assertion that there were 3,000,000 fraudulent votes cast in the November 2016 election. He seems to be wasting quite a bit of political capital on this point and I think it's the first major mistake of his Presidency.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 11:43:43 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 11:13:23 AM

Well, even the Daily Mail is reporting what moderation doesn't want us to see here !

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4168906/More-100-000-sign-petition-cancel-Trump-s-UK-visit.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4168906/More-100-000-sign-petition-cancel-Trump-s-UK-visit.html)

More than 420,000 sign petition to cancel Donald Trump's state visit to Britain in just hours - meaning it HAS to be debated in Parliament

It's nearly half a million now and promises to be the most popular UK petition, ever ..

Interestingly, the DM states what I noticed - many Student towns / cities are signing this petition

Hey, snowflake. So what if a few of you lot get all worked up over this. It'll get debated in the commons. A few MPs will shake their rattles about and cry about how good those Muslims and their culture are and how baaaad Trump is for not letting them in. So what? The status quo is no longer. Welcome to Trumps World, girls.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 29, 2017, 11:56:13 AM

And while I agree with President Trump's Executive Orders concerning immigration, I think some accommodation should have been made for people holding legal visas who were actually in the air on long flights when the order was signed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 29, 2017, 12:09:40 PM

There was a bit of confusion with the implementation of the ban.
Many of the agents in the airports were not properly briefed. They in turn used their own iinterpretation of what they felt was appropriate action.

There's been many here who have tried to get visas for an fsuw or family members, only to be turned down. Doubt it was because of religion or because of risk to homeland security.
The liberal media is again blowing this way out of proportion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 12:21:52 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 11:43:43 AM

Hey, snowflake. So what if a few of you lot get all worked up over this. It'll get debated in the commons. A few MPs will shake their rattles about and cry about how good those Muslims and their culture are and how baaaad Trump is for not letting them in. So what? The status quo is no longer. Welcome to Trumps World, girls.

Had to look up 'snowflake' on urban dictionary..

''Snowflake
An overly sensitive person, incapable of dealing with any opinions that differ from their own. These people can often be seen congregating in "safe zones" on college campuses.'' So this is an American 'put down' ? :chuckle:

THIS may be your 'safe zone' ..but in the real world - even in America - he's not the guy most would vote for ..

Now, I realise that he was fairly elected under the very system he was tweeting was 'undemocratic' in November 2012 ..

More than a few Tory MPs are 'shaking their rattles' - which makes me wonder WHO is the 'snowflake' :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 12:23:52 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 29, 2017, 12:09:40 PM

The liberal media is again blowing this way out of proportion.

Aha, so now the UK's Daily Mail is a liberal newspaper ?! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 12:52:18 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 29, 2017, 12:09:40 PM

There was a bit of confusion with the implementation of the ban.
Many of the agents in the airports were not properly briefed. They in turn used their own iinterpretation of what they felt was appropriate action.

There's been many here who have tried to get visas for an fsuw or family members, only to be turned down. Doubt it was because of religion or because of risk to homeland security.
The liberal media is again blowing this way out of proportion.

Tell that to our very own RUA snowflakes, Moby and Ste. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 29, 2017, 01:35:16 PM

Soros Funding Airport Protests, Ban Lawsuits Against Trump's Order

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/770919?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1707883_01292017&s=al&dkt_nbr=u1gmehd1&section=Newsfront&keywords=liberal-activist-soros-funding&year=2017&month=01&date=29&id=770919&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 29, 2017, 01:35:56 PM

Trump Wants to Enlist Local Police in Immigration Crackdown

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/770918?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1707883_01292017&s=al&dkt_nbr=u1gmehd1&section=Newsfront&keywords=trump-enlist-police-immigration&year=2017&month=01&date=29&id=770918&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 01:50:53 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 29, 2017, 01:35:16 PM

Soros Funding Airport Protests, Ban Lawsuits Against Trump's Order

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George must have bottomless pockets as he seems to be funding every from Ukraine's revolutions to 'Tramps' howlers.. Is this going to be the 'excuse' every time folks standup and say, enough of this outrageous bigotry... and clueless methodology

Canadian dual citizens aren't effected and I'll wager there's plenty of other nations' foreign ministers / ambassadors wondering if making America GRATE was not the more appropriate phrase..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 02:28:14 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 12:23:52 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 29, 2017, 12:09:40 PM

The liberal media is again blowing this way out of proportion.

Aha, so now the UK's Daily Mail is a liberal newspaper ?! :chuckle:

Aha, twisting stuff to suit your agenda.....again.
You quoted the DM not Tomcat.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 29, 2017, 02:31:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 29, 2017, 11:26:03 AM

To insure the integrity of our voting process, I agree it should be a priority to require state voter registration officials to cross check with the Social Security Death Master file and annually remove dead people from the voting list. We also need to insure state officials check the SSN of every voter and remove any duplication caused by voters who have moved from state to state and/or voting precinct to voting precinct and/or those immigrants not eligible to vote.

That said, I don't believe there are any facts to support President Trump's assertion that there were 3,000,000 fraudulent votes cast in the November 2016 election. He seems to be wasting quite a bit of political capital on this point and I think it's the first major mistake of his Presidency.

I like your points but slightly disagree. There is ample evidence that in CA illegals can go to MacArthur park in Los Angeles and purchase documents for as little as $200 to $300. The doc's look real because they are. There are insiders in the CA DMV who are selling access to being legal because they are corrupt and greedy.

Whether the figure is 3 Million, 1 Million or only 800,00 is immaterial. What is material is that Democraps are traitors who sold out to the Globalists. If Trump fires a few hundred or a few thousand corrupt DMV officials in CA and New York City and prosecutes them I am 100% for it.

This country was built on legal immigrants who assimilated after going to work. Not illiterates who send most of their checks back to Mexico, bleed our social services dry and rarely if ever assimilate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 29, 2017, 02:37:11 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 29, 2017, 01:35:56 PM

Trump Wants to Enlist Local Police in Immigration Crackdown

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/770918?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1707883_01292017&s=al&dkt_nbr=u1gmehd1&section=Newsfront&keywords=trump-enlist-police-immigration&year=2017&month=01&date=29&id=770918&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

DHS has already said they wish to back Trump and enforce his executive action on this. The judge who tried to stop it has been neutered.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 29, 2017, 02:39:05 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3XTyB4VYAAexiJ.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 29, 2017, 02:51:27 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 01:50:53 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 29, 2017, 01:35:16 PM

Soros Funding Airport Protests, Ban Lawsuits Against Trump's Order

George must have bottomless pockets as he seems to be funding every from Ukraine's revolutions to 'Tramps' howlers.. Is this going to be the 'excuse' every time folks standup and say, enough of this outrageous bigotry... and clueless methodology

Canadian dual citizens aren't effected and I'll wager there's plenty of other nations' foreign ministers / ambassadors wondering if making America GRATE was not the more appropriate phrase..

You're such a bloody hypocrite and perennial ass. Why you're allowed to clutter this forum with your verbal diarrhea I'll never know. You supported the UK and CIA's bloody war in Syria for a pipeline which means you supported genocide, chaos and people trying to migrate to Europe.

You really should just STFU and mind your own business. :coffeeread:

https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/825651987219890176

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 03:03:08 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 02:28:14 PM

Aha, twisting stuff to suit your agenda.....again.
You quoted the DM not Tomcat.

You would do well to read ... before posting ... :chuckle:

The climbdown after the chaos has started ... Now .. having refused boarding / entry to dual citizen UK citizens from the banned nation - and howls of protests from friendly nations - the UK citizens are off the list

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 03:29:41 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 12:21:52 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 11:43:43 AM

Hey, snowflake. So what if a few of you lot get all worked up over this. It'll get debated in the commons. A few MPs will shake their rattles about and cry about how good those Muslims and their culture are and how baaaad Trump is for not letting them in. So what? The status quo is no longer. Welcome to Trumps World, girls.

Had to look up 'snowflake' on urban dictionary..

''Snowflake
An overly sensitive person, incapable of dealing with any opinions that differ from their own.

About sums you up, doesn't it?

Title: Re: Anteros' hilarious fit
Post by: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 03:42:36 PM

Anteros,

Like others on here have also mentioned - I rarely, if ever, read your links to wack job's sites ...

I have learnt something for you, though ... Americans can't spell 'diarrhoea', too

Quote from: Confederate on January 29, 2017, 02:51:27 PM

You supported the UK and CIA's bloody war in Syria for a pipeline which means you supported genocide, chaos and people trying to migrate to Europe.

The UK took a vote in Aug 2013 on taking action in Syria to prevent Assad from committing genocide and because of the Iraq debacle MPs 'chickened out' ...

The UK also has an opt out from agreeing to share immigration across EU states . Cameron promised to take 20, 000 from refugee camps on the Turkish border - by 2020 - not those crossing Europe.

Ah, yes ...I forgot - you read all about it on zeroclue or something similar...

Quote from: Confederate on January 29, 2017, 02:51:27 PM

You really should just STFU and mind your own business.

I wouldn't suggest the same for you -you have the right to post daft.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 03:46:47 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 29, 2017, 02:28:14 PM

Aha, twisting stuff to suit your agenda.....again.
You quoted the DM not Tomcat.

Adding an inability to read to your list of peccadilloes ?

I quoted the UK Daily Mail as a riposte to TC's suggestion 'liberal press' coverage of 'Tramp's' latest 'executive ~~orders~~ farce' ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 29, 2017, 05:47:54 PM

And now because we have a REAL President who does not bow to our enemies like the previous weakling, our enemies are ready to negotiate with us.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3Xl-Z2WAAE3Yw0.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 29, 2017, 05:53:06 PM

Meanwhile in the UK this happened.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3347632/Tube-terror-knifeman-screaming-Syria-blood-spilled-slashes-man-s-throat-Tasered-police.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 29, 2017, 06:00:10 PM

And in Germany a pregnant woman was murdered. but some say Trump is the bad man. :smokin:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/24/syrian-refugee-kills-woman-with-machete-in-southern-germany/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 29, 2017, 07:04:21 PM

Russians Do Not Take Crap from Migrants Because They Lack 'White Guilt'

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/how-russia-deals-immigrants/ri18726

Title: Re: Russians attitude to immigrants
Post by: msmoby on January 30, 2017, 01:27:39 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 29, 2017, 07:04:21 PM

Russians Do Not Take Crap from Migrants Because They Lack 'White Guilt'

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/how-russia-deals-immigrants/ri18726

The writer forgot that Moscow had leaders that deliberately mixed up populations ..a walk around ( esp. southern Russian) cities would illustrate that..

For sure Russians are outwardly racist - not even realising that terms used to refer to Blacks from Africa would have folks dropping their jaws if they said this word in the west.

The article correctly notes that many Russians are now proud ..Anybody present in Russia on May 9th - when they celebrate the end of the 'Great Patriotic War' (WW2) couldn't miss that.

In Britain we simply don't get the crowds turning out to remember those who lived through the war - esp. young people .. the schools don't march through the streets.

Yet, I'm comfortable with that... Nationalist fervour is best left to sporting events.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 30, 2017, 01:51:29 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 29, 2017, 07:04:21 PM

Russians Do Not Take Crap from Migrants Because They Lack 'White Guilt'

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/how-russia-deals-immigrants/ri18726

From the article:

Quote

When the police do not do a good enough job of enforcing immigration law, Russians enforce it themselves. In April 2016, activists from the National Conservative Movement organized a project called “We Are Moscow,” in which they checked the documents of immigrant food sellers and turned violators over to the police. Similar raids on illegal food sellers have been carried out in St. Petersburg. In August, activists joined police in a sweep of homes of illegal immigrants in St. Petersburg, dragging them out into the streets and arresting them.

Sounds a bit drastic doesn't it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2017, 02:36:17 AM

Trump's first weekly White House broadcast to the nation.

https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/825435318778212352

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 30, 2017, 03:16:11 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 06:47:20 AM

Sign this chaps, let's join in with the bannings!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

FFS Ste - really? :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 30, 2017, 03:19:13 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 30, 2017, 03:16:11 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 06:47:20 AM
Sign this chaps, let's join in with the bannings!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

FFS Ste - really? :'(

Well it was a tit for tat laugh when I posted it with about 60,000 signatories I had no idea it would pass a million in no time...

Title: Re: President Trump - Royal Visit to the UK
Post by: rosco on January 30, 2017, 03:20:24 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 07:35:11 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 06:47:20 AM
Sign this chaps, let's join in with the bannings!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Gosh it has over 215K votes, already ..

Now THAT is a petition worth signing, but I don't suspect what might be a majority of UK people's views will have any effect in Parliament - Irony noted...?

When he comes, he doesn't want to meet Prince Charles - in private, apparently - to avoid a 'lecture' on the effects of his damaging policies on climate change :chuckle:

And here we go again with more idiotic statements from Moby. If the petition gets anywhere near 33 million, I'll eat my hat and apologise for ridiculing your statement - "but I don't suspect what might be a majority of UK people's views".

Idiot/liar/troll.

Title: Re: President Trump - Royal Visit to the UK
Post by: msmoby on January 30, 2017, 06:49:21 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 30, 2017, 03:20:24 AM

And here we go again with more idiotic statements from Moby.

Ah, so you DID miss the irony ...

Quote from: rosco on January 30, 2017, 03:20:24 AM

If the petition gets anywhere near 33 million, I'll eat my hat and apologise for ridiculing your statement - "but I don't suspect what might be a majority of UK people's views".

The govt. already made the mistake of ignoring the petition and said the State Visit will go ahead ...

Quote from: rosco on January 30, 2017, 03:20:24 AM

Idiot/liar/troll.

:chuckle:

That ripostes that suggest you may be addressing the image in your shaving mirror don't see the light of day suggest you have a guardian angel to save yourself ..from yourself

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 30, 2017, 08:16:08 AM

This could have a negative effect on Starbucks. The working class that support Trump could decide to go elsewhere for a cup of coffee.

Starbucks to Hire 10,000 Refugees in Response to Trump Immigration Ban

http://www.newsweek.com/starbucks-hire-10000-refugees-response-trump-immigration-ban-549994?rx=us

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 30, 2017, 08:32:32 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 30, 2017, 08:16:08 AM

This could have a negative effect on Starbucks. The working class that support Trump could decide to go elsewhere for a cup of coffee.

Starbucks to Hire 10,000 Refugees in Response to Trump Immigration Ban

http://www.newsweek.com/starbucks-hire-10000-refugees-response-trump-immigration-ban-549994?rx=us

And pay them peanuts as they do with the illegals which they use now... :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 30, 2017, 08:33:58 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 30, 2017, 08:16:08 AM

This could have a negative effect on Starbucks. The working class that support Trump could decide to go elsewhere for a cup of coffee.

Starbucks to Hire 10,000 Refugees in Response to Trump Immigration Ban

http://www.newsweek.com/starbucks-hire-10000-refugees-response-trump-immigration-ban-549994?rx=us

10k more jobs created by trump. Win win

Title: Re: President Trump - Royal Visit to the UK
Post by: Gipsy on January 30, 2017, 08:36:25 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 30, 2017, 03:20:24 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 07:35:11 AM
Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 06:47:20 AM
Sign this chaps, let's join in with the bannings!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Gosh it has over 215K votes, already ..

Now THAT is a petition worth signing, but I don't suspect what might be a majority of UK people's views will have any effect in Parliament - Irony noted...?

When he comes, he doesn't want to meet Prince Charles - in private, apparently - to avoid a 'lecture' on the effects of his damaging policies on climate change :chuckle:

And here we go again with more idiotic statements from Moby. If the petition gets anywhere near 33 million, I'll eat my hat and apologise for ridiculing your statement - "but I don't suspect what might be a majority of UK people's views".

Idiot/liar/troll.

I would bet on a positive response to a petition asking folk is Trump should get the "Red carpet" treatment when he visits... :coffeeread:

Is Moby now a "Champion" for climate change??

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2017, 09:11:47 AM

Quote from: Markje on January 30, 2017, 08:33:58 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 30, 2017, 08:16:08 AM
This could have a negative effect on Starbucks. The working class that support Trump could decide to go elsewhere for a cup of coffee.

Starbucks to Hire 10,000 Refugees in Response to Trump Immigration Ban

http://www.newsweek.com/starbucks-hire-10000-refugees-response-trump-immigration-ban-549994?rx=us

10k more jobs created by trump. Win win

tiphat :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump - Royal Visit to the UK
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2017, 09:12:35 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 30, 2017, 03:20:24 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 29, 2017, 07:35:11 AM
Quote from: Ste on January 29, 2017, 06:47:20 AM
Sign this chaps, let's join in with the bannings!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Gosh it has over 215K votes, already ..

Now THAT is a petition worth signing, but I don't suspect what might be a majority of UK people's views will have any effect in Parliament - Irony noted...?

When he comes, he doesn't want to meet Prince Charles - in private, apparently - to avoid a 'lecture' on the effects of his damaging policies on climate change :chuckle:

And here we go again with more idiotic statements from Moby. If the petition gets anywhere near 33 million, I'll eat my hat and apologise for ridiculing your statement - "but I don't suspect what might be a majority of UK people's views".

Idiot/liar/troll.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3blby3XAAAHGW2.jpg)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 30, 2017, 12:16:48 PM

Are the Cupcakes going To Freak Out Every Time Trump Does What He Promised?

(https://politicalcult.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/inauguration.jpg)

(https://i.imgflip.com/1e2s9a.jpg)

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/are-we-going-to-freak-out-every-time-trump-does-what-he-promised/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2017, 01:06:51 PM

#FakeVotes

http://yournewswire.com/npr-25-million-fake-clinton-votes/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2017, 01:09:15 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 29, 2017, 01:46:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 28, 2017, 01:00:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3Rw5CoUYAAjgMY.jpg)

:laugh: :nod: :ROFL: :thumbsup:

An even more painful death if you have a bad accent!

I'm glad somebody noticed this. Funniest thing I had seen all week. I posted it for Ste. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 30, 2017, 01:31:10 PM

It seems Trump may be a speaker at the Conservative Party conference here in Manchester. I'll drag my arse down there to hear that bloke talk.

Moby and his mates will likely be outside with their Mangina placards.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 30, 2017, 02:07:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 30, 2017, 01:09:15 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 29, 2017, 01:46:46 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 28, 2017, 01:00:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3Rw5CoUYAAjgMY.jpg)

:laugh: :nod: :ROFL: :thumbsup:

An even more painful death if you have a bad accent!

I'm glad somebody noticed this. Funniest thing I had seen all week. I posted it for Ste. :laugh:

What about the 35% of the World that drives on the left?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2017, 02:13:09 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 30, 2017, 02:07:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 30, 2017, 01:09:15 PM
Quote from: AvHdB on January 29, 2017, 01:46:46 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 28, 2017, 01:00:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3Rw5CoUYAAjgMY.jpg)

:laugh: :nod: :ROFL: :thumbsup:

An even more painful death if you have a bad accent!

I'm glad somebody noticed this. Funniest thing I had seen all week. I posted it for Ste. :laugh:

What about the 35% of the World that drives on the left?

You wrote that you love Germany and speak German. I was referring to when you visit there or when you come visit me in Kentucky. :king:

Other than that I'm feeling dyslexic. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2017, 02:22:46 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 30, 2017, 01:31:10 PM

It seems Trump may be a speaker at the Conservative Party conference here in Manchester. I'll drag my arse down there to hear that bloke talk.

Moby and his mates will likely be outside with their Mangina placards.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3crqEdUMAAJQjR.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 30, 2017, 02:24:31 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 30, 2017, 02:13:09 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 30, 2017, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 30, 2017, 01:09:15 PM
Quote from: AvHdB on January 29, 2017, 01:46:46 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 28, 2017, 01:00:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3Rw5CoUYAAjgMY.jpg)

:laugh: :nod: :ROFL: :thumbsup:

An even more painful death if you have a bad accent!

I'm glad somebody noticed this. Funniest thing I had seen all week. I posted it for Ste. :laugh:

What about the 35% of the World that drives on the left?

You wrote that you love Germany and speak German. I was referring to when you visit there or when you come visit me in Kentucky.

Other than that I'm feeling dyslexic. :chuckle:

Ahh, got you!

Might be off to Germany for next contract, Munich. Love those Autobahnen, no speed limits on most bits. I've only driven once in USA, in a what we call a Mitsubishi Shogun, think it was a Ford something in US. I'm a big fan of US iron, oddly old luxury barges, I've had 5 60's and 70's Cadillacs, all rusted to dust in UK rain. Hardly saw any in US, almost all Mercs and Beemers, and Jap cars for the plebs. Still hanker after a 1961 Caddy Coupe de Ville, one of the few Caddies with horizontal rear lights.....

Interestingly, after Brexit Ireland is going to start driving on the right, starting with the buses, trucks and lorries, and it's a success, the cars a month later.....

I'll get me coat.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2017, 02:30:55 PM

Who needs a wall? :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3bDTmCWAAArRgL.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2017, 02:34:17 PM

Quote from: Manny on January 30, 2017, 01:31:10 PM

It seems Trump may be a speaker at the Conservative Party conference here in Manchester. I'll drag my arse down there to hear that bloke talk.

Moby and his mates will likely be outside with their Mangina placards.

Mohabism and his mates should do this:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3avJ0xVMAAjjwF.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 30, 2017, 02:44:30 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 30, 2017, 02:24:31 PM

I've had 5 60's and 70's Cadillacs, all rusted to dust in UK rain. Hardly saw any in US, almost all Mercs and Beemers, and Jap cars for the plebs. Still hanker after a 1961 Caddy Coupe de Ville, one of the few Caddies with horizontal rear lights.....

1959 Cadillac Eldorado Biarritz

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e9/c5/51/e9c5515a474e9f8adb839a295c817dce.jpg)

(http://www.phillymint.com/I_Franklin/fme659.jpg)

(http://www.misterw.com/Cadillac/59Eldorado03.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 30, 2017, 05:52:59 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 30, 2017, 02:07:37 PM

What about the 35% of the World that drives on the left?

The vast majority of the 35% live on islands. I say until they learn to swim or drive stay there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 30, 2017, 07:27:01 PM

I for one am glad to see that the liberals are taking to the streets and airports protesting. I am glad because the man I voted for president is keeping his promise to America. If you look to the heartland and all the county that Trump won during the election, Americans are going about their daily routines and life is getting better with each day.

Given some time Trump is going to make America great again!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2017, 07:42:28 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 30, 2017, 05:52:59 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 30, 2017, 02:07:37 PM
What about the 35% of the World that drives on the left?

The vast majority of the 35% live on islands. I say until they learn to swim or drive stay there.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 30, 2017, 08:19:49 PM

Trump sacks defiant attorney general

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38805944

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on January 30, 2017, 10:08:46 PM

Petition supporting President Trumps visit to the UK..

Signed

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844/signatures/new

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 31, 2017, 02:42:07 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 30, 2017, 02:24:31 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 30, 2017, 02:13:09 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 30, 2017, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 30, 2017, 01:09:15 PM
Quote from: AvHdB on January 29, 2017, 01:46:46 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 28, 2017, 01:00:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3Rw5CoUYAAjgMY.jpg)

:laugh: :nod: :ROFL: :thumbsup:

An even more painful death if you have a bad accent!

I'm glad somebody noticed this. Funniest thing I had seen all week. I posted it for Ste. :laugh:

What about the 35% of the World that drives on the left?

You wrote that you love Germany and speak German. I was referring to when you visit there or when you come visit me in Kentucky.

Other than that I'm feeling dyslexic. :chuckle:

Ahh, got you!

Might be off to Germany for next contract, Munich. Love those Autobahnen, no speed limits on most bits. I've only driven once in USA, in a what we call a Mitsubishi Shogun, think it was a Ford something in US. I'm a big fan of US iron, oddly old luxury barges, I've had 5 60's and 70's Cadillacs, all rusted to dust in UK rain. Hardly saw any in US, almost all Mercs and Beemers, and Jap cars for the plebs. Still hanker after a 1961 Caddy Coupe de Ville, one of the few Caddies with horizontal rear lights.....

Interestingly, after Brexit Ireland is going to start driving on the right, starting with the buses, trucks and lorries, and it's a success, the cars a month later.....

I'll get me coat.....

Liked the joke btw! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 03:34:58 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 30, 2017, 10:08:46 PM

Petition supporting President Trumps visit to the UK..

Signed

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844/signatures/new

Let's see how many votes it gets in comparison - currently lagging 16:1 - but it did start 23 days later

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 31, 2017, 05:57:03 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 03:34:58 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 30, 2017, 10:08:46 PM
Petition supporting President Trumps visit to the UK..

Signed

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844/signatures/new

Let's see how many votes it gets in comparison - currently lagging 16:1 - but it did start 23 days later

It's never gonna be a fair comparison because those likely to sign up to this one, aren't the type of people to wear blow up viginas and take time off work to cry about stuff they don't agree with. Mind you, if the BBC run it as their top story on their front page like they did with the anti Trump one, you must get a wee turn.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 31, 2017, 06:00:38 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 03:34:58 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on January 30, 2017, 10:08:46 PM
Petition supporting President Trumps visit to the UK..

Signed

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844/signatures/new

Let's see how many votes it gets in comparison - currently lagging 16:1 - but it did start 23 days later

Who cares. It's not going to make any difference. No British government is going to risk insulting our closest ally, especially with Brexit around the corner.
No amount of snowflake wailing is going to affect realpolitik. It's a good job Hitler hasn't come along in the present time. The snowflakes havent the backbone to stand up to that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 31, 2017, 06:28:37 AM

More Trump winning!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/30/president-donald-trump-smashes-record-get-fastest-majority-disapproval/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 31, 2017, 07:06:26 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 31, 2017, 06:28:37 AM

More Trump winning!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/30/president-donald-trump-smashes-record-get-fastest-majority-disapproval/

I love how so called intelligent types decide after a few days that they disapprove of the new President. I mean really? Let the man put his stamp on it before deciding whether he stays or goes. It's like a football manager taking over a team in trouble, working with what he has in front of him and the crowd calling for the sack after one game - shameful.

This is all about people not getting what they wanted and using every excuse to demonstrate their preconceived hatred for the man. What happens if Trump loses the next election and the Trumpsters don't accept that decision - politics is screwed. The left better watch what they wish for.

The sad bit is, the media are ramping it up and if you look at the feed on BBC news facebook, there must be 7-10 posts a day condemning Trump.

Real impartial stuff. If the media respected democracy, judged Trump on the decisions he makes and behaved rationally I'm sure you'd find less spoiled brats out causing havoc in the false name of democracy. Instead its going to pull everyone apart :fighting0025:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 07:07:03 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 31, 2017, 06:00:38 AM

Who cares. It's not going to make any difference. No British government is going to risk insulting our closest ally, especially with Brexit around the corner.

:)

But it is 'ok' to insult our citizens by refusing them / their partners to transit / enter - based on place of birth ?

Can you tell us which terrorist from these nations has been convicted for an act of terror on US soil ? Why not ban Brits, Russians ( Boston) or Saudi's - who have

Surely you aren't confirming that we now can't act independently because we pissed off out biggest market and the US - 5 times smaller trade - can't be annoyed ?!

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 31, 2017, 06:00:38 AM

No amount of snowflake wailing is going to affect realpolitik. It's a good job Hitler hasn't come along in the present time. The snowflakes havent the backbone to stand up to that.

In the light of away games in Ukraine - following the same in Georgia, plus 'Tramp' going all protectionist, I wonder if you must be living in a parallel universe - given the Realpolitik you overlook

You cannot even begin to understand the hilarity of your 'signature' - the author o Ἀπολογία Σωκράτους - and it's meaning - that you and Trump surely do not understand :)))

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 31, 2017, 07:18:04 AM

Another survey was showing that his approval rating was rocketing. RIght now you can be pretty sure that anything negative is propaganda as part of the ongoing coup attempt - the Pink Revolution. At this time there is simply no rational way in which any conclusions about performance can be drawn. The people propagandising on behalf of the Pink Revolution know this and so should any rational, objective, readers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 07:20:39 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 31, 2017, 06:28:37 AM

More Trump winning!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/30/president-donald-trump-smashes-record-get-fastest-majority-disapproval/

Can I 'steal' this ?

,,and from such a 'libtard' journal :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 07:26:19 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 31, 2017, 07:06:26 AM

I love how so called intelligent types decide after a few days that they disapprove of the new President. I mean really?

in those 7 days - he's done some REALLY dumb things... so yes.. REALLY

Quote from: rosco on January 31, 2017, 07:06:26 AM

This is all about people not getting what they wanted

Ah, you mean the nearly 3% more voting for the 'losing' candidate ?

Quote from: rosco on January 31, 2017, 07:06:26 AM

The sad bit is, the media are ramping it up and if you look at the feed on BBC news facebook, there must be 7-10 posts a day condemning Trump.

Rosco, time to stop blaming the media / Soros et al

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 31, 2017, 07:36:48 AM

I think that not allowing those green-card holders from the 7 countries is a mistake.

Those people followed procedure, jumped through all hoops and got their valid permanent resident license.

If you disagree with the vetting-process (which is Trumps basis), then improve the process and vet them again.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 31, 2017, 08:01:28 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 31, 2017, 07:18:04 AM

Another survey was showing that his approval rating was rocketing. RIght now you can be pretty sure that anything negative is propaganda as part of the ongoing coup attempt - the Pink Revolution. At this time there is simply no rational way in which any conclusions about performance can be drawn. The people propagandising on behalf of the Pink Revolution know this and so should any rational, objective, readers.

Of course. You can be sure that the survey was conducted amongst a select pool to return the desired result.
Propaganda? You bet. It's a puppet show.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 31, 2017, 08:11:00 AM

Ever read any Wouk?

You're all beginning to echo the sentiments of Lieutenant Commander Queeg.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 31, 2017, 08:20:02 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 31, 2017, 08:11:00 AM

Ever read any Wouk?

You're all beginning to echo the sentiments of Lieutenant Commander Queeg.....

:chuckle: good old Queeg

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 31, 2017, 09:08:43 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 07:26:19 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 31, 2017, 07:06:26 AM

I love how so called intelligent types decide after a few days that they disapprove of the new President. I mean really?

in those 7 days - he's done some REALLY dumb things... so yes.. REALLY

Quote from: rosco on January 31, 2017, 07:06:26 AM
This is all about people not getting what they wanted

Ah, you mean the nearly 3% more voting for the 'losing' candidate ?

Quote from: rosco on January 31, 2017, 07:06:26 AM

The sad bit is, the media are ramping it up and if you look at the feed on BBC news facebook, there must be 7-10 posts a day condemning Trump.

Rosco, time to stop blaming the media / Soros et al

Yet again we hear 'but but but, she got more votes.'
The popular vote means diddly squat under the U.S. electoral system. You know that, I know that, the whole f******g world knows that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 31, 2017, 09:19:08 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 31, 2017, 09:08:43 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 07:26:19 AM
Quote from: rosco on January 31, 2017, 07:06:26 AM

I love how so called intelligent types decide after a few days that they disapprove of the new President. I mean really?

in those 7 days - he's done some REALLY dumb things... so yes.. REALLY

Quote from: rosco on January 31, 2017, 07:06:26 AM
This is all about people not getting what they wanted

Ah, you mean the nearly 3% more voting for the 'losing' candidate ?

Quote from: rosco on January 31, 2017, 07:06:26 AM

The sad bit is, the media are ramping it up and if you look at the feed on BBC news facebook, there must be 7-10 posts a day condemning Trump.

Rosco, time to stop blaming the media / Soros et al
Yet again we hear 'but but but, she got more votes.'
The popular vote means diddly squat under the U.S. electoral system. You know that, I know that, the whole f******g world knows that.

Nutjobs and Tard's still fighting reality. We are a Republic NOT the US of California. IOW the lunatics will not rule us.

Once AG Sessions investigates the massive voter fraud of CA, NYC and a few other places these libtards won't win again for 20 yrs or more.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on January 31, 2017, 09:30:33 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 31, 2017, 09:19:08 AM

Once AG Sessions investigates the massive voter fraud of CA, NYC and a few other places these libtards won't win again for 20 yrs or more.

Are you sure? the republicans have also shown in the past they can also be very stupid in who they choose.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Danchik on January 31, 2017, 09:38:25 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 07:26:19 AM

Ah, you mean the nearly 3% more voting for the 'losing' candidate ?

It depends on which source you find, but take away California and New York and Trump won the popular vote by anywhere from 1.8 mln to 3 mln more votes.

That's why we have an electorate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 31, 2017, 09:39:43 AM

Quote from: Markje on January 31, 2017, 07:36:48 AM

I think that not allowing those green-card holders from the 7 countries is a mistake.

Those people followed procedure, jumped through all hoops and got their valid permanent resident license.

If you disagree with the vetting-process (which is Trumps basis), then improve the process and vet them again.

Disallowing the Green Card holders was purposed to enable re-vetting after an improved process had been set up.

However, I think that what we are seeing is a part of an ongoing negotiation. Initial position, scares and shocks. The end result will be acceptance of a regime much stiffer than would have been accepted if he had stated the desired outcome from the get-go.

Don't forget that Trump is negotiating with both right wingers who think his regulation was too lax to left wingers who think they are the devil's work.

He will be aiming to show the right that he could not be as strict as the right might want because the left won't accept it and the left that what they end up with is much less than the right wanted.He is negotiating to a compromise. We will never know what his desired outcome was because the outcome we get will be what he negotiates between the two countervailing forces.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 09:43:19 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on January 31, 2017, 09:08:43 AM

Yet again we hear 'but but but, she got more votes.'
The popular vote means diddly squat under the U.S. electoral system. You know that, I know that, the whole f******g world knows that.

But it can easily explain the poll vote.. that has so many suggesting 'it can't be true', 'it's a conspiracy' ! :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 31, 2017, 09:51:37 AM

Not only was President Trump completely justified in FIRING Sally Yates, she should probably be disbarred as well for failing to follow her oath and legal responsibility as Acting Attorney General to support and defend The Constitution of the United States. She didn't provide one single LEGAL argument on why she refused to enforce his legal Executive Order, only refusing to do so on "moral grounds". The correct procedure would have been to resign but instead she decided to be the "kamikaze pilot" for the Progressive movement on this issue. I'm sure she'll land softly as a newly minted partner in some big Progressive law firm because of her "sacrifice".

Richardson and Ruckelshaus handled the situation appropriately with President Nixon back in 1973. This should have been a model for Yates to follow. But in this day and age of social media, making a public show is more important that protecting ones integrity.

And let's put this issue to bed right now. President Trump's Executive Order on Immigration IS COMPLETELY LEGAL! Federal immigration law also includes Section 1182(f), which states: “Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate”.

Obama said it best. "Elections have consequences". President Trump is only doing what he promised to do in the campaign. Quite honestly, I find that a positively refreshing trait from any politician in this day and age.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 09:57:41 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 07:26:19 AM

Ah, you mean the nearly 3% more voting for the 'losing' candidate ?

Quote from: Danchik on January 31, 2017, 09:38:25 AM

It depends on which source you find, but take away California and New York and Trump won the popular vote by anywhere from 1.8 mln to 3 mln more votes.

That's why we have an electorate.

???

That's like me saying London, N.Ireland , Scotland and rural Gloucestershire voted to remain in the EU .. and it being pointed out 'SO WHAT'?, on here :))

Did NY and California leave the Union ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 10:14:11 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 31, 2017, 09:51:37 AM

Not only was President Trump completely justified in FIRING Sally Yates, she should probably be disbarred as well for failing to follow her oath and legal responsibility as Acting Attorney General to support and defend The Constitution of the United States.

I believe you'll find that was EXACTLY what got her fired .. :coffeeread:

Once again there is incredible irony in all this..

''Remarkably, Yates was asked in senate confirmation hearings what she would say to a president who wanted to do something unlawful – and the person who asked the question was Jeff Sessions, Trump’s nominee for attorney general.

Sessions prefaced his question by telling Yates: “You have to watch out, because people will be asking you to do things you just need to say no about.

“Do you think the attorney general has a responsibility to say no to the president, if he asks for something that is improper? … If the views the president wants to execute are unlawful, should the attorney general or the deputy attorney general say no?”

Yates told Sessions: “Senator I believe the attorney general or the deputy attorney general has an obligation to follow the law and the Constitution, and to give their independent legal advice to the president.” "

You need to keep an eye on Sessions.. Weasel comes to mind ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 31, 2017, 10:20:21 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 31, 2017, 09:51:37 AM

Not only was President Trump completely justified in FIRING Sally Yates, she should probably be disbarred as well for failing to follow her oath and legal responsibility as Acting Attorney General to support and defend The Constitution of the United States. She didn't provide one single LEGAL argument on why she refused to enforce his legal Executive Order, only refusing to do so on "moral grounds". The correct procedure would have been to resign but instead she decided to be the "kamikaze pilot" for the Progressive movement on this issue. I'm sure she'll land softly as a newly minted partner in some big Progressive law firm because of her "sacrifice".

Richardson and Ruckelshaus handled the situation appropriately with President Nixon back in 1973. This should have been a model for Yates to follow. But in this day and age of social media, making a public show is more important that protecting ones integrity.

And let's put this issue to bed right now. President Trump's Executive Order on Immigration IS COMPLETELY LEGAL! Federal immigration law also includes Section 1182(f), which states: “Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate”.

Obama said it best. "Elections have consequences". President Trump is only doing what he promised to do in the campaign. Quite honestly, I find that a positively refreshing trait from any politician in this day and age.

tiphat :party0031:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 31, 2017, 10:23:17 AM

Quote from: Danchik on January 31, 2017, 09:38:25 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 07:26:19 AM
Ah, you mean the nearly 3% more voting for the 'losing' candidate ?
It depends on which source you find, but take away California and New York and Trump won the popular vote by anywhere from 1.8 mln to 3 mln more votes.

That's why we have an electorate.

Trump won by a landslide! This might help TARD (Trump Associative Resistance Disorder) Mohabism understand.

http://truthfeed.com/did-you-know-trump-won-2626-counties-hillary-won-487/38971/

(http://truthfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Screen-Shot-2016-11-09-at-11.25.00-AM.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 31, 2017, 10:47:08 AM

Hey, Shakespear, you are in danger of starting to sound like a Trump supporter. :)

You'll be needing to retcon your recent narrative at this rate! (In this context that's a good thing!)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on January 31, 2017, 11:11:19 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 31, 2017, 10:47:08 AM

Hey, Shakespear, you are in danger of starting to sound like a Trump supporter. :)

You'll be needing to retcon your recent narrative at this rate! (In this context that's a good thing!)

He's a late convert to the cause. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 31, 2017, 11:45:24 AM

Quote from: yankee on January 31, 2017, 09:30:33 AM

Are you sure? the republicans have also shown in the past they can also be very stupid in who they choose.

+100

John McCain anyone? How about Jeb? the establishment GOP tries to lose
every election they can.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 31, 2017, 11:54:22 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 31, 2017, 09:51:37 AM

Obama said it best. "Elections have consequences". President Trump is only doing what he promised to do in the campaign. Quite honestly, I find that a positively refreshing trait from any politician in this day and age.

Totally agree,

The poor Linuses in their safe space are sucking their thumbs until they
turn white and wrinkly are making their blankets wet and salty with their
tears and the mean and nasty GOP doesn't care.

(http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Picture29.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 31, 2017, 12:17:48 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 31, 2017, 10:47:08 AM

Hey, Shakespear, you are in danger of starting to sound like a Trump supporter. :)

You'll be needing to retcon your recent narrative at this rate! (In this context that's a good thing!)

I must admit, I've been pleasantly surprised with what Trump has been doing so far. I think the "roll-out" on his immigration policy was VERY poorly planned but I understand the need for quick action. I also don't like the way he's focused on 3 million fraudulent votes in the Nov election rather than focusing on correcting the caused of potential voter fraud in US elections (as I mentioned upthread).

But I think his appointments have been great and I predict that Judge Gorsuch from the 10th Circuit will be his nominee tonight. That is a brilliant choice as he is cut with the same cookie cutter as Scalia, writes extremely well and has little chance of him being a Trojan horse like Justice Kennedy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 31, 2017, 01:43:11 PM

I am constantly surprised at how folks react to Trump, both supporters and detractors. Very few people #get# that what is going on is a negotiation. An opening bid that is then focused to a final offer. For example, the voting. We know, any sensible person knows, that the US voting system is wide open to fraud. The issue Trump is dealing with is that there is fraud and it needs to be eradicated. Eradication is not difficult in practical terms but there are entrenched interests against that eradication. Team Trump is fully aware of the issue and can possibly even come to a reasoned estimate of the volume of fraud and its causes.

In order to open a debate it is first required to make himself, personally a point of ridicule because by doing so he forces out an admission that there is fraud. Once that happens, and it has, then all that is necessary s to quantify it and deal with it. The negotiation is ongoing but had he NOT suggested an high figure to start with then his opponents would not have fallen into the trap of countering with a lower figure.

To help with understanding this let us use an example a cliche that makes the point clearly:
(http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/funny-pictures-auto-690492.png)

Exactly the same applies with the immigration. Except here he has to deal with two opposing stakeholders with Team Trump in the middle.

Until people get the hang of the fact that he is undertaking negotiations with his opponents on each of these points then there can be no understanding and his opponents will lose, every time.

Truth be told the immigration thing was EXPERTLY planned. The results are EXACTLY what were planned for! The rollbacks and amendments were planned for and were formulated as negotiating positions. For that reason poor Boris Johnson was mugged into thinking he had won a great concession from the US government. Team Trump gave NOTHING away that they valued but now have a negotiating hold over the British government.
Same process for each and every #concession#. Team Trump gives nothing away but in every case gets something in return, maybe not today, but certainly tomorrow.

Think for a moment; do you honestly think that Team Trump had not anticipated the action of the acting attorney general? Look at what had been achieved as a result of her, easily anticipated, action. Another Team Trump win.

Another thought: how does one square away the idea of a stupid idiot with an ongoing series of clear and palpable #wins#?
Lots of people undergoing cognitive dissonance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 31, 2017, 02:00:50 PM

After reading this article, it is clear that the liberal media blew this way out of proportion.

Trump administration to allow 872 refugees into U.S. this week

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/01/31/donald-trump-refugees/97284688/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 31, 2017, 05:31:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 31, 2017, 09:51:37 AM

...President Trump completely justified in FIRING Sally Yates...

Her move was to resign. Instead, she forced Trump to (lawfully) fire her for not enforcing the lawful order of the President. She will no doubt dine out for years on the story of how she "Speek'd TROOFS to power". (:)

Quote from: shakespear on January 31, 2017, 09:51:37 AM

President Trump is only doing what he promised to do in the campaign. Quite honestly, I find that a positively refreshing trait from any politician in this day and age.

Yep. Big D told us what he was going to do, and now that he's going about doing it the libs are losing their minds. :8)

He's going to be able to build the wall using all the bricks they are shitting.

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 31, 2017, 02:00:50 PM

After reading this article, it is clear that the liberal media blew this way out of proportion.

They are so spun up on Evil Spirits that they don't know up from down anymore. They can't wait to bleat, "THIS IS JUST LIKE THE NAZIIIIIIIIIIS!!!", when it is nothing of the sort. And Trump is making them look like total asshats.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 31, 2017, 05:56:55 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 31, 2017, 01:43:11 PM

I am constantly surprised at how folks react to Trump, both supporters and detractors. Very few people #get# that what is going on is a negotiation. An opening bid that is then focused to a final offer. For example, the voting. We know, any sensible person knows, that the US voting system is wide open to fraud. The issue Trump is dealing with is that there is fraud and it needs to be eradicated. Eradication is not difficult in practical terms but there are entrenched interests against that eradication. Team Trump is fully aware of the issue and can possibly even come to a reasoned estimate of the volume of fraud and its causes.

In order to open a debate it is first required to make himself, personally a point of ridicule because by doing so he forces out an admission that there is fraud. Once that happens, and it has, then all that is necessary s to quantify it and deal with it. The negotiation is ongoing but had he NOT suggested an high figure to start with then his opponents would not have fallen into the trap of countering with a lower figure.

To help with understanding this let us use an example a cliche that makes the point clearly:
(http://img0.joyreactor.com/pics/post/funny-pictures-auto-690492.png)

Exactly the same applies with the immigration. Except here he has to deal with two opposing stakeholders with Team Trump in the middle.

Until people get the hang of the fact that he is undertaking negotiations with his opponents on each of these points then there can be no understanding and his opponents will lose, every time.

Truth be told the immigration thing was EXPERTLY planned. The results are EXACTLY what were planned for! The rollbacks and amendments were planned for and were formulated as negotiating positions. For that reason poor Boris Johnson was mugged into thinking he had won a great concession from the US government. Team Trump gave NOTHING away that they valued but now have a negotiating hold over the British government.
Same process for each and every #concession#. Team Trump gives nothing away but in every case gets something in return, maybe not today, but certainly tomorrow.

Think for a moment; do you honestly think that Team Trump had not anticipated the action of the acting attorney general? Look at what had been achieved as a result of her, easily anticipated, action. Another Team Trump win.

Another thought: how does one square away the idea of a stupid idiot with an ongoing series of clear and palpable #wins#?
Lots of people undergoing cognitive dissonance.

I realized what he was doing a while back. He also deliberately confuses the sh*t out of some people to throw them off balance and keep them guessing. And very importantly he is making his base of voters happy that he has been busy doing what he said he would do. Most of us totally enjoy watching the snowflake meltdowns. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 31, 2017, 07:55:56 PM

My vote for Trump in November has been vindicated with his announcement, as I predicted of Judge Neil Gorsuch of the 10h Circuit to the US Supreme Court.

Now, the only question that remains is does Mitch McConnell have the chutzpah to get the nomination confirmed through the Senate in spite of a bunch of political objections by the Democrats?

Harry Reid did

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 01, 2017, 12:33:36 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 31, 2017, 07:55:56 PM

Now, the only question that remains is does Mitch McConnell have the chutzpah to get the nomination confirmed through the Senate in spite of a bunch of political objections by the Democrats?

That's pretty much Mitch's raison d'être at the moment. Oh, and Schumer voted against Mitch's wife, Elaine Chao, to be Transportation Secretary, a job she previously held under the first President Bush. She was also Labor Secretary under the second President Bush. 6 votes against her, including Schumer, Gillibrand, Sanders and Warren, becuase they're dead-enders, Jeff Merkley, who is a leftoid douche, and Cory "I'm Running in 2020!" Booker.

A filibuster has been announced. I expect the so called 'nuclear option' will be enacted because there are too many mega-bitter dems to prevent a filibuster. It ain't gonna be pretty, but they ain't gonna win.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on February 01, 2017, 02:21:24 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 10:14:11 AM

“Do you think the attorney general has a responsibility to say no to the president, if he asks for something that is improper? … If the views the president wants to execute are unlawful, should the attorney general or the deputy attorney general say no?”

So tell us, what did Trump do that was illegal? According to our resident Americans here his actions WERE legal. Who is she to dictate that legal legislation should not be enforced?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 01, 2017, 03:11:19 AM

Quote from: d672 on February 01, 2017, 02:21:24 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 31, 2017, 10:14:11 AM
“Do you think the attorney general has a responsibility to say no to the president, if he asks for something that is improper? … If the views the president wants to execute are unlawful, should the attorney general or the deputy attorney general say no?”

So tell us, what did Trump do that was illegal? According to our resident Americans here his actions WERE legal. Who is she to dictate that legal legislation should not be enforced?

Mohabism has no clue what is or is not lawful per US law. Muh feelz!

And I don't recall him whining about Obama dropping nearly 30,000 bombs last year and creating the refugee crisis. Apparently muslim lives only matter when the left wants to bring them in to our country for votes; peace and safety be damned.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3j8dIpXUAA4elh.jpg:large)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 01, 2017, 08:47:04 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 31, 2017, 07:55:56 PM

My vote for Trump in November has been vindicated with his announcement, as I predicted of Judge Neil Gorsuch of the 10h Circuit to the US Supreme Court.

Now, the only question that remains is does Mitch McConnell have the chutzpah to get the nomination confirmed through the Senate in spite of a bunch of political objections by the Democrats?

Harry Reid did

I'm glad you believe your vote for Trump was worth it. I also like his pick for the Supreme Court very much. I am thinking he should have waited with the EO on immigration until after Sessions and others were approved. He really likes to move fast on everything he is doing as a way to throw them off balance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 01, 2017, 09:08:41 AM

Was it Lavrov who said that the USA has a bunch of pussies? Man is that an understatement. :laugh:
(make sure and turn the sound on this clip to get the full impact)

https://twitter.com/Fasdrak/status/824567464998699008

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 01, 2017, 09:23:09 AM

This is how pathetic and un-American the once decent Democratic party has become. They were co-opted by the Soros gang of Communists a long time ago. Nothing but #SorosPuppets.

https://twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/826770341003292672

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on February 01, 2017, 09:48:58 AM

Its too much. Trump has got to stop (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/01/chronicle-fear-seven-days-muslim-immigrant-america)

So she smokes, drinks and has sex. :bow:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 01, 2017, 09:56:50 AM

Quote from: B.B. on February 01, 2017, 12:33:36 AM

A filibuster has been announced. I expect the so called 'nuclear option' will be enacted because there are too many mega-bitter dems to prevent a filibuster. It ain't gonna be pretty, but they ain't gonna win.

B/B

I think there is a reasonable chance that the 10 Democrat Senators up for re-election in 2018 in states that Trump won might become a little skiddish to join a political boycott against a well qualified nominee for the Supreme Court. If eight of them vote to end cloture but vote against him in the actual confirmation they might have a better chance to hold their seats.

But to join the radical left Democrats in boycotting cloture for Gorsuch would be virtual political suicide.

The "suicide squeeze" is on . . . . . . . . . .

The $50,000 question is does McConnell have the balls to change the Senate rules to the advantage of his political party just like Harry Reid did? My guess is "no". Given a choice he'd rather proceed with "Marquess of Queensberry" rules of regular order and not go down in history as being responsible for unleashing a monster that might stab his party in the back in the future.

The Democrats have a overwhelming interest in making sure Gorsuch doesn't have an impact on cases to be decided by the Supreme Court this spring and summer. Some of the more interesting ones are:

Gloucester County School Board v. G.G.

Los Angeles County v. Mendez

Trinity Lutheran Church of Columbia v. Pauley

Murr v. Wisconsin

Hernández v. Mesa

TC Heartland LLC v. Kraft Foods

Turner v. United States and Overton v. United States

Microsoft v. Baker

Expect them to delay, delay and delay as much as possible.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 01, 2017, 09:58:56 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 31, 2017, 05:56:55 PM

And very importantly he is making his base of voters happy that he has been busy doing what he said he would do. Most of us totally enjoy watching the snowflake meltdowns. :laugh:

Sure .. the Gallop poll showing a negative approval rating was 'paid for by Soros / Liberal media' [ :sick0012: ] and couldn't possibly be the nigh on 3 million more people voting for the 'losing' candidate ..

'Most of us' might be true on here .... :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 01, 2017, 12:02:33 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 01, 2017, 09:56:50 AM

I think there is a reasonable chance that the 10 Democrat Senators up for re-election in 2018 in states that Trump won might become a little skiddish to join a political boycott against a well qualified nominee for the Supreme Court. If eight of them vote to end cloture but vote against him in the actual confirmation they might have a better chance to hold their seats.

But to join the radical left Democrats in boycotting cloture for Gorsuch would be virtual political suicide.

We'll see.

Quote from: shakespear on February 01, 2017, 09:56:50 AM

The $50,000 question is does McConnell have the balls to change the Senate rules to the advantage of his political party just like Harry Reid did? My guess is "no".

Barring some as-yet discovered fatal flaw in Gorsuch, I don't think he has a choice. I have often thought that a President should consider sending up a "Potemkin" nominee for the Senate to reject and thus let all the wind out of their sails, then send up who he really wanted. Bush II did this, in effect anyway, when he sent up Harriet Miers, then sent up Alito, afterwards, who was probably the guy he wanted all along.

Quote from: shakespear on February 01, 2017, 09:56:50 AM

Given a choice he'd rather proceed with "Marquess of Queensberry" rules of regular order and not go down in history as being responsible for unleashing a monster that might stab his party in the back in the future.

Why should anyone give a shit about the filibuster? It is anti-democratic in nature, and was used (by Dems) to block Civil Rights legislation. The Dems hate it, when they are in the majority, but when the Dems need it, it suddenly becomes one of the Very Foundations of Our Democracy.^TM :chuckle:

I think there is an outside chance of a "Gang of Eight" situation, but less likely now than in the past. Hell hath no fury like a super-entitled liberal and Merkley is already calling this a "stolen seat".

And so it goes....

B/B

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 01, 2017, 12:04:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 31, 2017, 07:55:56 PM

My vote for Trump in November has been vindicated with his announcement, as I predicted of Judge Neil Gorsuch of the 10h Circuit to the US Supreme Court.

Now, the only question that remains is does Mitch McConnell have the chutzpah to get the nomination confirmed through the Senate in spite of a bunch of political objections by the Democrats?

Harry Reid did

Mitch doesn't have chutzpah. The Democrats were going to filibuster any
nominee that Trump nominated. The only way that limp d!ck is going to
get a Trump Supreme in place before 2018 is by changing the rules and
using the so called nuclear option.

If the GOP leadership in the Senate were smart (they aren't) they would
hit this at a different angle.

First they need to reach out to Heidi Heitkamp democrat senator from North
Dakota, she has very close to zero chance in her next election in 2018 Trump
got 63% of the vote vs 27% for Hillary. Joe Manchin from West Virginia is from
a state that Trump won by 42 points. Joe Donnelly Indiana is from a state that
Trump won by over 20 points as is Jon Tester of Montana. Trump won by 19
points in Missouri and Claire McCaskill is up in 2018 as well.

All those guys are up for election in 2018. 52 Republicans plus those 5 gives
the GOP 57 votes. The GOP needs at least 3 more and who knows where it
could come from. Sherrod Brown of Ohio? (Sen. Rob Portman won by 21
points over his Democrat former Gov. Ted Strickland.) But Trump only won
by 8 points.

I don't think McConnell has it in him. Either McConnell changes the rules or
the seat remains vacant until 2018 when the GOP wins big.

Personally, I would make the Democrats actually do the filibuster. Start up debate
on a Friday morning (slowest news day of the week) and make them talk until
they drop and no other Senate business is discussed until they work through
the Senators. Once all 48 Dems dropped, hold a vote.

McConnell won't do any of that so you need to wait until 2018. Maybe they can
force McConnell out of a leadership position, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 01, 2017, 12:07:34 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 01, 2017, 12:02:33 PM

Bush II did this, in effect anyway, when he sent up Harriet Miers, then sent up Alito, afterwards, who was probably the guy he wanted all along.
And so it goes....

B/B

I think you give W Bush far too much credit as a mastermind. It was the GOP
who killed the Miers nomination, not the Dems.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 01, 2017, 12:30:23 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 01, 2017, 12:04:20 PM

Personally, I would make the Democrats actually do the filibuster. Start up debate
on a Friday morning (slowest news day of the week) and make them talk until
they drop and no other Senate business is discussed until they work through
the Senators. Once all 48 Dems dropped, hold a vote.

Dude they DON'T actually stand and talk and read telephone books into the record like Mr. Smith Goes To Washington anymore.

The Senate has agreed to rules which state that instead of an old fashioned filibuster, they have "cloture" requirements. That means that 60 Senators have to agree that debate on an issue is finished before and actual vote can be taken.

As President of the Senate, Harry Reid changed the "cloture" rules for executive positions and federal judges (except for Supreme Court Justices) from 60 to 50 +1 in November 2013 so the Democrats could overcome Republican opposition to packing the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, the nation's second-most-powerful court, with progressive judges nominated by Obama.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 01, 2017, 12:33:37 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 01, 2017, 12:04:20 PM

First they need to reach out to Heidi Heitkamp democrat senator from North
Dakota, she has very close to zero chance in her next election in 2018 Trump
got 63% of the vote vs 27% for Hillary. Joe Manchin from West Virginia is from
a state that Trump won by 42 points. Joe Donnelly Indiana is from a state that
Trump won by over 20 points as is Jon Tester of Montana. Trump won by 19
points in Missouri and Claire McCaskill is up in 2018 as well.

All those guys are up for election in 2018. 52 Republicans plus those 5 gives
the GOP 57 votes. The GOP needs at least 3 more and who knows where it
could come from. Sherrod Brown of Ohio? (Sen. Rob Portman won by 21
points over his Democrat former Gov. Ted Strickland.) But Trump only won
by 8 points.

Didn't I just say that? (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 01, 2017, 12:44:51 PM

ALL Democrat Senators not even showing up for a Finance Committee meeting in an attempt to slow Trump's nominees from Committee Confirmation?

Do your frickin' job!

Voters in these states should throw these useless people out of office when they come up for re-election in 2018:

Ohio: Brown,

Michigan: Stabenow,

Florida: Nelson,

New Jersey: Menendez,

Delaware: Carper,

Maryland: Cardin,

Missouri: McCaskell,

Pennsylvania: Casey.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 01, 2017, 01:25:07 PM

Great news! Rex Tillerson has been approved as Secretary of State.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/677507/rex-tillerson-confirmed-secretary-state-historically-contentious-vote

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 01, 2017, 02:25:38 PM

American Muslims in agreement with Trump.

http://conservativetribune.com/media-will-never-report-muslims/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=conserv_tribune

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 01, 2017, 03:31:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 01, 2017, 12:30:23 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 01, 2017, 12:04:20 PM

Personally, I would make the Democrats actually do the filibuster. Start up debate
on a Friday morning (slowest news day of the week) and make them talk until
they drop and no other Senate business is discussed until they work through
the Senators. Once all 48 Dems dropped, hold a vote.

Dude they DON'T actually stand and talk and read telephone books into the record like Mr. Smith Goes To Washington anymore.

Did you hear Ted Cruz read "Green Eggs and Ham?" or Rand Paul
regarding drones on American soil?

Filibusters wouldn't be terribly controversial if they all involved
Mr. Smith/Ted Cruz talking filibusters by a single senator. That
type of maneuver has tremendous value in focusing the nation's
attention on an issue, without effectively empowering a minority
to control the business of the Senate.

To mount that kind of filibuster takes courage and stamina—not to
mention a bladder of steel—unlike the procedural filibuster more
commonly used by contemporary senators, who don't even have
to say a word on the Senate floor.

Make them filibuster or shut up, but don't let them do a procedural
filibuster.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 02, 2017, 12:33:14 PM

An adjustment just made. I suspect more may be coming.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/treasury-makes-limited-exceptions-to-sanctions-on-russian-spy-agency/ar-AAmyoat?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 02, 2017, 12:37:12 PM

What should Bill O'Reilly ask President Trump? Prior to the Super Bowl on Sunday Feb. 5th Bill will be interviewing the President. This is an annual tradition for Bill O'Reilly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 02, 2017, 12:40:11 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 01, 2017, 12:44:51 PM

ALL Democrat Senators not even showing up for a Finance Committee meeting in an attempt to slow Trump's nominees from Committee Confirmation?

Do your frickin' job!

Voters in these states should throw these useless people out of office when they come up for re-election in 2018:

Ohio: Brown,

Michigan: Stabenow,

Florida: Nelson,

New Jersey: Menendez,

Delaware: Carper,

Maryland: Cardin,

Missouri: McCaskell,

Pennsylvania: Casey.

The Dummocraps continue to double down on idiotic anti-American rhetoric and polices which caused their epic loss on November 8th. I anticipate another good ass whooping come 2018. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 02, 2017, 12:48:40 PM

On a light note the President asks them to pray for Schwarzenegger's ratings, and serious note he promised to get rid of the evil Johnson amendment.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-uses-an-actual-bully-pulpit-at-national-prayer-breakfast-to-bash-arnold-schwarzenegger-155827959.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 02, 2017, 12:51:19 PM

First Lady Melania announces her Chief of staff choice.

https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/melania-trump-announces-her-chief-175023344.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 03, 2017, 12:14:25 AM

Fascist "hero's" of Mohabism beat a Trump supporter unconscious at Cal State Berkley last night. His crime? Wanting to hear Milo speak. The event had to be cancelled due to the violent anarchists.

Because after all speech is only allowed if it's approved by the Marxists ruling our public University's and "learning" is only allowed if approved by the Marxist goons masquerading as educators.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3opnzUWIAEG3Ym.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 03, 2017, 09:22:04 AM

More on the despicable Fascists masquerading as "antifa".

http://www.infowars.com/antifa-threatens-young-daughter-of-pro-trump-journalist/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 03, 2017, 08:18:00 PM

Busted! This dirt bag needs to be fired and prosecuted. Prison.

http://theralphretort.com/uc-berkeley-rioter-exposed-works-university-203017/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 04, 2017, 12:05:43 PM

A policy adjustment.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/state-dept-reverses-visa-revocations-allowing-previously-banned-travelers-to-enter-us/ar-AAmBVS0?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 04, 2017, 12:26:29 PM

Female reporter destroys cowardly misogynistic moby types with ease.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 04, 2017, 12:31:45 PM

John Brennan former CIA an Islamic mole and traitor to the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 04, 2017, 12:48:00 PM

9 days in -- Alex Jones, INFO WARS on illegal votes.
Just go to 7:25 in this, and hear the evidence from Democrats themselves that they use illegals to vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 04, 2017, 02:50:11 PM

HUGE mistake by Trump today!

HUGE, ENORMOUS, VAST, IMMENSE, LARGE, MASSIVE, BIG, COLOSSAL, PRODIGIOUS, GARGANTUAN, MAMMOTH, MONUMENTAL!

He should have NEVER called U.S. District Judge James Robart a "so called judge".

He IS a sitting federal judge, appointed by President Bush and confirmed by the US Senate.

That is the SECOND time he has disrespected a federal judge that has ruled against him. The first time was when he criticized the suitability of Federal Judge Gonzalo Curiel, who ruled against his personal interests in the Trump University case. When he shows disrespect for any federal judge that rules against him it is perceived as contempt for the whole judicial branch of government.

The appropriate answer would have been a brief statement that he believes the law is on his side in this issue and that he's instructed his Justice Department to start the appeal process with the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. No insults. No mud flinging.

Don't expect this faux pas to make Gorsuch's confirmation any easier.

HE ABSOLUTELY HAS TO STOP MAKING "UNFORCED ERRORS" LIKE THIS!

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 04, 2017, 04:09:37 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 04, 2017, 02:50:11 PM

HUGE mistake by Trump today!

HUGE, ENORMOUS, VAST, IMMENSE, LARGE, MASSIVE, BIG, COLOSSAL, PRODIGIOUS, GARGANTUAN, MAMMOTH, MONUMENTAL!

Don't expect this faux pas to make Gorsuch's confirmation any easier.

HE ABSOLUTELY HAS TO STOP MAKING "UNFORCED ERRORS" LIKE THIS!

Cry me a river buttercup! Only Republicans don't punch back. The Dems
ALWAYS do. Trump is the first Republican to punch back. You need to quit
trying to make Donald Trump into Jeb Bush.

The Democrats will fight to the death on Gorsuch regardless of what Trump
says or does. The Democrats do crap like that ALL THE TIME!

Just wait until you hear the crap that the dems will start saying about Gorsuch.

Pelosi said that Judge Gorsuch’s nomination to the Supreme Court is “a very bad decision” if “you breathe air, drink water, eat food, take medicine, or in any other way interact with the courts.”

Sen. Ted Kennedy's outrageous charge that with Bork on the court,
"blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters."

Stop calling Clarence Thomas an ‘Uncle Tom’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/05/02/stop-calling-clarence-thomas-an-uncle-tom/?utm_term=.c6d5297012a8

Black congressman stands by comment that Clarence Thomas is an ‘Uncle Tom’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/04/30/black-congressman-stands-by-comment-that-clarence-thomas-is-an-uncle-tom/?utm_term=.e73180e7d206

Shakespeare,

The Dems can dish it out but they can't take it. Trump is Trump, let's see if
using Dem tactics don't work out for the GOP.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on February 04, 2017, 05:10:49 PM

I was just listening to a radio show that was discussing this with somebody I know as a guest. The opinion seemed to be that executive orders are only valid executive orders if not overturned by a judge (as the travel ban has been). And it would seem that many of the judges will be more than happy to overturn any executive order President Trump makes. The judiciary plan is to cut off his balls in this way. Would our friends across the pond agree or not that this is fair comment and accurate reportage?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 04, 2017, 05:13:27 PM

So far president Trump has been keeping his promise to the people. Unfortunately there are appointed officials placed by past administrations that are stuck in the past, and are not going to cooperate.
Most of us voted for Trump became he is not politically correct, and will not follow the course of the past.
Trump speaks his mind, and is doing as he says.
So what if he does not always come off as presidential. His predecessors may have been more reserved in what they said, but failed miserably in leading the United states to prosperity.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 04, 2017, 07:32:52 PM

Quote from: Manny on February 04, 2017, 05:10:49 PM

I was just listening to a radio show that was discussing this with somebody I know as a guest. The opinion seemed to be that executive orders are only valid executive orders if not overturned by a judge (as the travel ban has been). And it would seem that many of the judges will be more than happy to overturn any executive order President Trump makes. The judiciary plan is to cut off his balls in this way. Would our friends across the pond agree or not that this is fair comment and accurate reportage?

Judicial appointments have evolved (unfortunately in my opinion) to political appointments. Progressive federal judges have decided their position entitles them to create law instead of interpret law.

Accordingly one lowly district federal judge (who has a lifetime appointment to the bench) can nullify the action of Congress or the President by the stroke of a pen.

This is why Democrat Senate leader Harry Reid changed the rules of the Senate to require only 51 votes to end debate on judicial appointments instead of 60 to pass cloture. While the Democrats were in the majority they appointed a record number of liberal. progressive judges to district and appellate court positions in an attempt to pack the court system with judges who would be favorably inclined to approve their policies.

In this specific instance, the Appellate Court of jurisdiction (9th Circuit Appellate Court) can stay the judges order and restore Trump's executive order until such time as the Supreme Court decides to take up the case.

If Gorsuch (Trumps appointee) is confirmed to the Supreme Court, it is doubtful that they would uphold the district judges original order. My guess it would be 5-4 in favor of Trump.

American politics can be difficult for foreigners to understand tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 04, 2017, 07:34:53 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 04, 2017, 05:13:27 PM

Most of us voted for Trump became he is not politically correct, and will not follow the course of the past.
Trump speaks his mind, and is doing as he says. So what if he does not always come off as presidential.

There is a difference between political correctness and behaving in a rude and boorish manner.

Trump crossed that like in this instance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 04, 2017, 10:13:24 PM

Quote from: Manny on February 04, 2017, 05:10:49 PM

I was just listening to a radio show that was discussing this with somebody I know as a guest. The opinion seemed to be that executive orders are only valid executive orders if not overturned by a judge (as the travel ban has been). And it would seem that many of the judges will be more than happy to overturn any executive order President Trump makes. The judiciary plan is to cut off his balls in this way. Would our friends across the pond agree or not that this is fair comment and accurate reportage?

The travel ban has only temporarily been overturned. I expect Trump's DOJ which will file on this tonight to prevail. I disagree with Shakespeare on this matter and fully agree with new poster Popka.

Republicans have been playing softball for years while the Democrats always go for the jugular. Now We the People have a champion who fights back hard.

Just sit back and watch, and mark my words. Trump will prevail on this matter. And Gorsuch will also be confirmed.

Schumer, Pelosi and company are going down.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2017/02/04/doj-asks-court-stay-order-travel-ban/JtvOVjOK9NqNA885djupfK/story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 04, 2017, 10:19:06 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 04, 2017, 07:34:53 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 04, 2017, 05:13:27 PM
Most of us voted for Trump became he is not politically correct, and will not follow the course of the past.
Trump speaks his mind, and is doing as he says. So what if he does not always come off as presidential.

There is a difference between political correctness and behaving in a rude and boorish manner.

Trump crossed that like in this instance.

Did he cross a line or do you still like him?

I've had enough of PC and consider Democraps who believe it's okay to throw piss, break windows and beat people unconscious and then deny they know who did it to be the rude and boorish ones.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 04, 2017, 10:20:51 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 04, 2017, 04:09:37 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 04, 2017, 02:50:11 PM
HUGE mistake by Trump today!

HUGE, ENORMOUS, VAST, IMMENSE, LARGE, MASSIVE, BIG, COLOSSAL, PRODIGIOUS, GARGANTUAN, MAMMOTH, MONUMENTAL!

Don't expect this faux pas to make Gorsuch's confirmation any easier.

HE ABSOLUTELY HAS TO STOP MAKING "UNFORCED ERRORS" LIKE THIS!

Cry me a river buttercup! Only Republicans don't punch back. The Dems
ALWAYS do. Trump is the first Republican to punch back. You need to quit
trying to make Donald Trump into Jeb Bush.

The Democrats will fight to the death on Gorsuch regardless of what Trump
says or does. The Democrats do crap like that ALL THE TIME!

Just wait until you hear the crap that the dems will start saying about Gorsuch.

Pelosi said that Judge Gorsuch’s nomination to the Supreme Court is “a very bad decision” if “you breathe air, drink water, eat food, take medicine, or in any other way interact with the courts.”

Sen. Ted Kennedy's outrageous charge that with Bork on the court,
"blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters."

Stop calling Clarence Thomas an ‘Uncle Tom’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/05/02/stop-calling-clarence-thomas-an-uncle-tom/?utm_term=.c6d5297012a8

Black congressman stands by comment that Clarence Thomas is an ‘Uncle Tom’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/04/30/black-congressman-stands-by-comment-that-clarence-thomas-is-an-uncle-tom/?utm_term=.e73180e7d206

Shakespeare,

The Dems can dish it out but they can't take it. Trump is Trump, let's see if
using Dem tactics don't work out for the GOP.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump - UK Visit
Post by: msmoby on February 05, 2017, 04:02:04 AM

With over 1.8 million signatures against the 'state' designation for 'Tramps' visit and at least 150 MPs not happy, either - it looks as if he might not have addressing Parliament in the House of Commons ?

How many votes for Gypo's pro visit referendum ? ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 05, 2017, 04:57:13 AM

http://www.whytrumpisgreat.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on February 05, 2017, 06:30:11 AM

Perhaps I am mistaken but it seems VP Pence is quite different than say Biden.

While I will not judge Trump, give the guy a chance, he was never a politician before. But he has managed to make allot of fumbles early on. Anyways today is the Super Bowl and that has to be more entertaining than the soap opera that is D.C.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 05, 2017, 08:31:41 AM

Quote from: Confederate on February 04, 2017, 10:19:06 PM

Did he cross a line or do you still like him?

Overall, I like what he's doing.

But I think he made a HUGE mistake in how he handled the ruling of the District Court judge. Calling him a "so called judge" shows disrespect and contempt for the legitimate judicial process.

I personally think the Judge Robart is in error and the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals will stay his order and restore enforcement of the Trump Executive Order as quickly as possible. If they don't, then the Supreme Court would have to take up the case on an accelerated matter and since the SCOUS is currently a 4-4 court, the appeals court decision would still hold. Trump's policy would die just like Obama's immigration policy did in 2015.

THIS is why it is so important to get Gorsuch on SCOUS as soon as possible.

The smarter and more appropriate response would have been to calmly tweet a brief statement that he believes the law is on his side in this issue and that he's instructed his Justice Department to start the appeal process with the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. No insults. No mud flinging. Come from a position of strength and confidence. Name calling shows weakness.

Insulting the Judicial Branch when you have such an important confirmation directly ahead is not good judgement. It's big mouth getting you in trouble. It's not "keeping your eye on the ball". It's an unforced error. It represents an unpolished and unsophisticated politician. If you think that's some kind of advantage, you're wrong.

He did the same thing when talking to the Australian President. :'(

In politics, when you carry a "big stick", you have to learn when and how to use it in order to maximize it's effectiveness. He's got to learn that making gratuitous unnecessary insults doesn't help him put his political agenda into action. The excuse "We all know Trump is ~~an asshole~~ not politically correct" is going to wear thin very soon.

Quote from: Confederate on February 04, 2017, 10:19:06 PM

I've had enough of PC and consider Democraps who believe it's okay to throw piss, break windows and beat people unconscious and then deny they know who did it to be the rude and boorish ones.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on February 05, 2017, 09:00:55 AM

1.8 million from a country of 66. It's clear your mathematics is terrible Moby, hence the lack of comprehension when it comes to democracy. A noisy 2/3% of the population should never be considered as a majority opinion.

Move on, nothing to see.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 05, 2017, 09:09:15 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 05, 2017, 04:02:04 AM

With over 1.8 million signatures against the 'state' designation for 'Tramps' visit and at least 150 MPs not happy, either - it looks as if he might not have addressing Parliament in the House of Commons ?

How many votes for Gypo's pro visit referendum ? ...

So says the misogynist who left his wife in a lurch and promotes more muslims who bring a rape culture to the UK as well as violence towards their own female family members.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 05, 2017, 09:14:39 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 05, 2017, 08:31:41 AM

The smarter and more appropriate response would have been to calmly tweet a brief statement that he believes the law is on his side in this issue and that he's instructed his Justice Department to start the appeal process with the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. No insults. No mud flinging. Come from a position of strength and confidence. Name calling shows weakness.

Insulting the Judicial Branch when you have such an important confirmation directly ahead is not good judgement. It's big mouth getting you in trouble. It's not "keeping your eye on the ball". It's an unforced error. It represents an unpolished and unsophisticated politician. If you think that's some kind of advantage, you're wrong.

TBH I agree and sometimes wish he would stay off of twitter. Hopefully he's going to grow in to the job; quickly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 05, 2017, 09:16:33 AM

Quote from: rosco on February 05, 2017, 09:00:55 AM

1.8 million from a country of 66. It's clear your mathematics is terrible Moby, hence the lack of comprehension when it comes to democracy. A noisy 2/3% of the population should never be considered as a majority opinion.

Move on, nothing to see.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 05, 2017, 09:54:21 AM

There's a learning process here. Twitter has proven to be an invaluable way to engage with the American people without the distortion of mass media. At the same time the distance, in time, and requirement of consideration are advantages of communication via the entertainment/news media.

The paradigm is working through, as can be seen from the way in which Trump's Tweets are being reported.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 05, 2017, 12:17:22 PM

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 05, 2017, 02:01:49 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 05, 2017, 09:54:21 AM

There's a learning process here. Twitter has proven to be an invaluable way to engage with the American people without the distortion of mass media. At the same time the distance, in time, and requirement of consideration are advantages of communication via the entertainment/news media.

The paradigm is working through, as can be seen from the way in which Trump's Tweets are being reported.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on February 05, 2017, 03:12:48 PM

Tradition is that the newly elected US President makes his first visit to Canada. For some reason the UK seems to be getting press about it.
With only 6% of Canadians saying they'd vote for Trump, I'm sure Ottawa is in no rush to have him land here.
Trump's trying to run the states like he's the CEO of a corporation. He's finding that the US is still a democracy (for the time being) and it's quite evident in his daily fumbles.
(I threw that one in because it's the false football championship today)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 05, 2017, 03:18:07 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on February 05, 2017, 03:12:48 PM

Tradition is that the newly elected US President makes his first visit to Canada. For some reason the UK seems to be getting press about it.
With only 6% of Canadians saying they'd vote for Trump, I'm sure Ottawa is in no rush to have him land here.
Trump's trying to run the states like he's the CEO of a corporation. He's finding that the US is still a democracy (for the time being) and it's quite evident in his daily fumbles.
(I threw that one in because it's the false football championship today)

Is that the gay Rugby?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on February 05, 2017, 03:20:32 PM

Quote from: rosco on February 05, 2017, 09:00:55 AM

1.8 million from a country of 66. It's clear your mathematics is terrible Moby, hence the lack of comprehension when it comes to democracy. A noisy 2/3% of the population should never be considered as a majority opinion.

Move on, nothing to see.

You need to look at it differently Rosco.
Take the voter turnout percentage, and take a much smaller percentage of that to get who takes a minute to fill that petition.
Many more care but can't be bothered to voice their displeasure. They may just say they hate the baffoon and carry on to the next article in their feed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on February 05, 2017, 03:23:22 PM

Quote from: Ste on February 05, 2017, 03:18:07 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on February 05, 2017, 03:12:48 PM
Tradition is that the newly elected US President makes his first visit to Canada. For some reason the UK seems to be getting press about it.
With only 6% of Canadians saying they'd vote for Trump, I'm sure Ottawa is in no rush to have him land here.
Trump's trying to run the states like he's the CEO of a corporation. He's finding that the US is still a democracy (for the time being) and it's quite evident in his daily fumbles.
(I threw that one in because it's the false football championship today)

Is that the gay Rugby?

That's the one. Crap game IMO. Start. Stop. 4 second action before they do it again....so boring. My kid is wanting to see Lady Gaga sing live so I'll tune in for that. Last Superb owl I tuned in was when 50% of The Who took the stage.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 05, 2017, 05:03:18 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on February 05, 2017, 03:12:48 PM

Tradition is that the newly elected US President makes his first visit to Canada. For some reason the UK seems to be getting press about it.

IIRC, Bush II went to Mexico first, but gave Canada the "first phone call". With that NuMale faggot PM you have, I'm sure Trump isn't in any hurry.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on February 05, 2017, 05:59:08 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 05, 2017, 05:03:18 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on February 05, 2017, 03:12:48 PM
Tradition is that the newly elected US President makes his first visit to Canada. For some reason the UK seems to be getting press about it.

IIRC, Bush II went to Mexico first, but gave Canada the "first phone call". With that NuMale faggot PM you have, I'm sure Trump isn't in any hurry.

B/B

You're right about that Beeb's, he is a bit of a pansy in my books.
Bush never came to Canada due to us not following into Iraq on some bogus weapon stash. Relations were at an all time low back then. It'll be interesting to see how our leaders get along. They have a few years to make it work.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 05, 2017, 06:33:01 PM

Op-Ed: President Trump’s major Asian breakthrough

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/05/op-ed-president-trumps-major-asian-breakthrough.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 05, 2017, 06:53:20 PM

Quote from: rosco on February 05, 2017, 09:00:55 AM

1.8 million from a country of 66. It's clear your mathematics is terrible Moby, hence the lack of comprehension when it comes to democracy. A noisy 2/3% of the population should never be considered as a majority opinion.

Move on, nothing to see.

Out-numbered the counter-petition on 'Tramp' by 6:1 - so I expect you would wish me to 'move on' ..Lot's to see for those with their eyes open ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on February 06, 2017, 01:53:20 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 05, 2017, 06:53:20 PM

Quote from: rosco on February 05, 2017, 09:00:55 AM
1.8 million from a country of 66. It's clear your mathematics is terrible Moby, hence the lack of comprehension when it comes to democracy. A noisy 2/3% of the population should never be considered as a majority opinion.

Move on, nothing to see.

Out-numbered the counter-petition on 'Tramp' by 6:1 - so I expect you would wish me to 'move on' ..Lot's to see for those with their eyes open ..

So the opinion of 2% of a population deserves an action which represents the whole country? I think not - The Trump matter doesn't really bother most normal people so why go signing childish petitions anyway?

You need to learn when to debate and when to park the broken argument.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on February 06, 2017, 02:08:12 AM

Quote from: rosco on February 06, 2017, 01:53:20 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 05, 2017, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: rosco on February 05, 2017, 09:00:55 AM
1.8 million from a country of 66. It's clear your mathematics is terrible Moby, hence the lack of comprehension when it comes to democracy. A noisy 2/3% of the population should never be considered as a majority opinion.

Move on, nothing to see.

Out-numbered the counter-petition on 'Tramp' by 6:1 - so I expect you would wish me to 'move on' ..Lot's to see for those with their eyes open ..

So the opinion of 2% of a population deserves an action which represents the whole country? I think not - The Trump matter doesn't really bother most normal people so why go signing childish petitions anyway?

You need to learn when to debate and when to park the broken argument.

What worse, forcing a debate on the issue only wastes valuable time of the Gov't, knowing that this will fail and waste their time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on February 06, 2017, 02:08:42 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on February 05, 2017, 03:20:32 PM

Quote from: rosco on February 05, 2017, 09:00:55 AM
1.8 million from a country of 66. It's clear your mathematics is terrible Moby, hence the lack of comprehension when it comes to democracy. A noisy 2/3% of the population should never be considered as a majority opinion.

Move on, nothing to see.

You need to look at it differently Rosco.
Take the voter turnout percentage, and take a much smaller percentage of that to get who takes a minute to fill that petition.
Many more care but can't be bothered to voice their displeasure. They may just say they hate the baffoon and carry on to the next article in their feed.

I totally agree Don and there's also many more who say, give the guy a chance - he can't be any worse than the last 3 US presidents. I'm not suggesting 1.8 million people should be ignored but they can't be allowed to steer the ship when they represent 2% of a population. That's just common sense and we'd be looking at the end of democracy otherwise.

He who shout's the loudest and all that, and at the moment there's one political movement who seem to be on the losing end of every result and cannot accept it. It's a scary precedent to set because what happens in the next result or the one following - it'll be chaos and potentially the end of the democratic west. Results need to be accepted and decisions made should be debated/challenged in a way more a kin to a civilised society. Aggressive street marches with unclear protests and talks of overthrowing legitimate governments needs wiped out early doors because that's the slippiest of slopes right there.

Completely unsubstantiated stuff here but somehow I get the feeling that had Clinton and Remain won these two important popularity contests, I highly doubt Trump/Leave supporters would be playing the silly games we see happening now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on February 06, 2017, 02:12:04 AM

Quote from: Markje on February 06, 2017, 02:08:12 AM

Quote from: rosco on February 06, 2017, 01:53:20 AM
Quote from: msmoby on February 05, 2017, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: rosco on February 05, 2017, 09:00:55 AM
1.8 million from a country of 66. It's clear your mathematics is terrible Moby, hence the lack of comprehension when it comes to democracy. A noisy 2/3% of the population should never be considered as a majority opinion.

Move on, nothing to see.

Out-numbered the counter-petition on 'Tramp' by 6:1 - so I expect you would wish me to 'move on' ..Lot's to see for those with their eyes open ..

So the opinion of 2% of a population deserves an action which represents the whole country? I think not - The Trump matter doesn't really bother most normal people so why go signing childish petitions anyway?

You need to learn when to debate and when to park the broken argument.
What worse, forcing a debate on the issue only wastes valuable time of the Gov't, knowing that this will fail and waste their time.

Bang on. These guys should be spending their time focusing on the real issues instead of pandering to a petulant movement representing a tiny minority, who claim to be the majority.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 06, 2017, 02:34:21 AM

Quote from: rosco on February 06, 2017, 01:53:20 AM

You need to learn when to debate and when to park the broken argument.

Or, perhaps more usefully 'we' need to learn to recognise when Moby has nothing to do, no money to spend, and no place to go. That's when his trolling becomes most egregious (with the possible exception of when he feels a need to punish somebody who made the mistake of trusting him too well.)

We encourage him by responding to his bored silliness.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on February 06, 2017, 03:12:06 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 06, 2017, 02:34:21 AM

Quote from: rosco on February 06, 2017, 01:53:20 AM

You need to learn when to debate and when to park the broken argument.

Or, perhaps more usefully 'we' need to learn to recognise when Moby has nothing to do, no money to spend, and no place to go. That's when his trolling becomes most egregious (with the possible exception of when he feels a need to punish somebody who made the mistake of trusting him too well.)

We encourage him by responding to his bored silliness.

Sadly you're quite correct Andrew. I've attempted many times to refrain from feeding his disease but it's difficult giving someone free rein to foul a thread with lies and unchallenged gibberish.

Perhaps Manny could introduce a Moby bull shit emoji, so we can mark his post as discredited without wasting time cleaning it up?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 06, 2017, 04:51:20 AM

Quote from: rosco on February 06, 2017, 03:12:06 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 06, 2017, 02:34:21 AM
Quote from: rosco on February 06, 2017, 01:53:20 AM

You need to learn when to debate and when to park the broken argument.

Or, perhaps more usefully 'we' need to learn to recognise when Moby has nothing to do, no money to spend, and no place to go. That's when his trolling becomes most egregious (with the possible exception of when he feels a need to punish somebody who made the mistake of trusting him too well.)

We encourage him by responding to his bored silliness.

Sadly you're quite correct Andrew. I've attempted many times to refrain from feeding his disease but it's difficult giving someone free rein to foul a thread with lies and unchallenged gibberish.

Perhaps Manny could introduce a Moby bull shit emoji, so we can mark his post as discredited without wasting time cleaning it up?

Or even start a poll about banning him from the site.... ;D
Which would of course not be binding... :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 06, 2017, 04:56:42 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 05, 2017, 06:53:20 PM

Quote from: rosco on February 05, 2017, 09:00:55 AM
1.8 million from a country of 66. It's clear your mathematics is terrible Moby, hence the lack of comprehension when it comes to democracy. A noisy 2/3% of the population should never be considered as a majority opinion.

Move on, nothing to see.

Out-numbered the counter-petition on 'Tramp' by 6:1 - so I expect you would wish me to 'move on' ..Lot's to see for those with their eyes open ..

One should also take into consideration the length of time each petition has been going, was the "aniti" petition going about 1 month before the "pro" petition was started??
Also consideration should be given to the sites/MSM who have actively, openly supported the "anti" petition, and have totally ignored the "pro" petition.. (BBC for example, only openly supported the anti petition)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 06, 2017, 05:05:01 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on February 06, 2017, 04:56:42 AM

One should also take into consideration the length of time each petition has been going, was the "aniti" petition going about 1 month before the "pro" petition was started??

:ROFL:

Gypo, you are so funny ! The anti- state visit poll is TWO days older and after hours had exceeded 'your' polls present 6 fold less total

Quote from: Gipsy on February 06, 2017, 04:56:42 AM

Also consideration should be given to the sites/MSM who have actively, openly supported the "anti" petition, and have totally ignored the "pro" petition.. (BBC for example, only openly supported the anti petition)

The BBC highlighted both polls .. you naughty chap

So, if we are to believe your MSM 'suggestion' - please explain why folks are only 'influenced' by the media when the subject matter doesn't fit your beliefs ? ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 06, 2017, 07:56:58 AM

Last night was like election day all over again. The Patriots won again! LOL! :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C39RebZUYAANxQb.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C39X8fxUEAEAa2u.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C39XE3AW8AAvrKq.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 06, 2017, 08:01:19 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C39eljiUMAA4cxF.jpg)

https://twitter.com/ThePatriot143/status/828496734477246464

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 06, 2017, 11:28:24 AM

Live stream coming up at 1:15 PM Eastern time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 06, 2017, 11:41:37 AM

Just been to docs (free) and got some pills (free) for this massive boil I got on my arse.

I called it 'Donald' because sooner or later it's gonna explode with rage and fire pus(sies) all over the shop...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 06, 2017, 01:42:51 PM

Quote from: Ste on February 06, 2017, 11:41:37 AM

Just been to docs (free) and got some pills (free) for this massive boil I got on my arse.

I called it 'Donald' because sooner or later it's gonna explode with rage and fire pus(sies) all over the shop...

Yes he do. :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C39eoO-UoAA07TO.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump - hopefully - NOT to be invited to speak to UK Parliament
Post by: msmoby on February 06, 2017, 02:00:50 PM

If we can't stop the State Visit - "let's stop him addressing us in Westminster Hall" - where the House of Commons ( MPs) sit ..

Speaker Bercow: Trump should not speak in Parliament

Mr Bercow told MPs that "opposition to racism and sexism" were "hugely important considerations".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 06, 2017, 08:33:43 PM

Quote from: Ste on February 06, 2017, 11:41:37 AM

Just been to docs (free) and got some pills (free) for this massive boil I got on my arse.

I called it 'Donald' because sooner or later it's gonna explode with rage and fire pus(sies) all over the shop...

Question - How come you got the meds free ?

Which country ?

In the England you'd pay the std prescription charge, surely ? :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 07, 2017, 01:21:30 AM

Response to Bill O' Reilly on Putin.

https://twitter.com/MightyBusterBro/status/828823371315961856

Title: Re: President Trump - hopefully - NOT to be invited to speak to UK Parliament
Post by: Contrarian on February 07, 2017, 01:52:29 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 06, 2017, 02:00:50 PM

If we can't stop the State Visit - "let's stop him addressing us in Westminster Hall" - where the House of Commons ( MPs) sit ..

Speaker Bercow: Trump should not speak in Parliament

Mr Bercow told MPs that "opposition to racism and sexism" were "hugely important considerations".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604)

Yet another left wing sh*t head hypocrite. HE is the one who should not be allowed to speak or represent the UK.

(https://i2.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/KUWAIT.png?w=540&ssl=1)

https://order-order.com/2017/02/06/bercow-welcomed-emir-of-kuwait-despite-travel-ban-and-dire-human-rights-record/

Title: Re: President Trump - hopefully - NOT to be invited to speak to UK Parliament
Post by: Gipsy on February 07, 2017, 01:56:12 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 06, 2017, 02:00:50 PM

If we can't stop the State Visit - "let's stop him addressing us in Westminster Hall" - where the House of Commons ( MPs) sit ..

Speaker Bercow: Trump should not speak in Parliament

Mr Bercow told MPs that "opposition to racism and sexism" were "hugely important considerations".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604)

PC gone mad.. ;D

How stupid.

Where has the right to free speech gone to??

These politicians should all be :censored: ing sacked.

I for one want my country back.

Title: Re: President Trump - hopefully - NOT to be invited to speak to UK Parliament
Post by: Gipsy on February 07, 2017, 01:58:36 AM

Quote from: Confederate on February 07, 2017, 01:52:29 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 06, 2017, 02:00:50 PM
If we can't stop the State Visit - "let's stop him addressing us in Westminster Hall" - where the House of Commons ( MPs) sit ..

Speaker Bercow: Trump should not speak in Parliament

Mr Bercow told MPs that "opposition to racism and sexism" were "hugely important considerations".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604)

Yet another left wing sh*t head hypocrite. HE is the one who should not be allowed to speak or represent the UK.

(https://i2.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/KUWAIT.png?w=540&ssl=1)

https://order-order.com/2017/02/06/bercow-welcomed-emir-of-kuwait-despite-travel-ban-and-dire-human-rights-record/

EXACTLY..

Title: Re: President Trump - hopefully - NOT to be invited to speak to UK Parliament
Post by: Wiz on February 07, 2017, 02:59:46 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on February 07, 2017, 01:56:12 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 06, 2017, 02:00:50 PM
If we can't stop the State Visit - "let's stop him addressing us in Westminster Hall" - where the House of Commons ( MPs) sit ..

Speaker Bercow: Trump should not speak in Parliament

Mr Bercow told MPs that "opposition to racism and sexism" were "hugely important considerations".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604)
PC gone mad.. ;D

How stupid.

Where has the right to free speech gone to??

These politicians should all be :censored: ing sacked.

I for one want my country back.

Speakers Corner and he will have more audience than the 5 -10 idiots who want to stop him!

bunch of F.. :censored: : IDIOTS!

KISSING THE ARSE OF the emir who buys 400 million arms.........to kill Yemen people.

Title: Re: President Trump - hopefully - NOT to be invited to speak to UK Parliament
Post by: Ste on February 07, 2017, 03:25:09 AM

Quote from: Confederate on February 07, 2017, 01:52:29 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 06, 2017, 02:00:50 PM
If we can't stop the State Visit - "let's stop him addressing us in Westminster Hall" - where the House of Commons ( MPs) sit ..

Speaker Bercow: Trump should not speak in Parliament

Mr Bercow told MPs that "opposition to racism and sexism" were "hugely important considerations".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604)

Yet another left wing sh*t head hypocrite. HE is the one who should not be allowed to speak or represent the UK.

(https://i2.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/KUWAIT.png?w=540&ssl=1)

https://order-order.com/2017/02/06/bercow-welcomed-emir-of-kuwait-despite-travel-ban-and-dire-human-rights-record/

He was a member of the Tory party....

I for one support him, free speech is one thing, hate speech is another, though it might be fun to watch Trump torn apart by the collective Commons...

Title: Re: President Trump - hopefully - NOT to be invited to speak to UK Parliament
Post by: Gipsy on February 07, 2017, 03:39:51 AM

Quote from: Ste on February 07, 2017, 03:25:09 AM

Quote from: Confederate on February 07, 2017, 01:52:29 AM
Quote from: msmoby on February 06, 2017, 02:00:50 PM
If we can't stop the State Visit - "let's stop him addressing us in Westminster Hall" - where the House of Commons ( MPs) sit ..

Speaker Bercow: Trump should not speak in Parliament

Mr Bercow told MPs that "opposition to racism and sexism" were "hugely important considerations".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604)

Yet another left wing sh*t head hypocrite. HE is the one who should not be allowed to speak or represent the UK.

(https://i2.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/KUWAIT.png?w=540&ssl=1)

https://order-order.com/2017/02/06/bercow-welcomed-emir-of-kuwait-despite-travel-ban-and-dire-human-rights-record/

He was a member of the Tory party....

I for one support him, free speech is one thing, hate speech is another, though it might be fun to watch Trump torn apart by the collective Commons...

Where do you get hate speech from, nothing which Trump has stated can be classed as that.
Look at what he wishes to ban people from certain countries for, he wishes to gain time in order to implement a more rigorous vetting regime in an attempt to restrict potential terrorists from entering his country, you cannot fault him for that...
I personally would implement similar rules for the UK immediately, in fact, I would put a total ban on "ragheads" from entering, do you class that as "hate speech" also??
The EU is trying to do exactly the same thing but more discreetly..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on February 07, 2017, 03:54:07 AM

Hate speech: anything the lefty liberal wishywashy brugade feelz uncomfortable hearing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 07, 2017, 04:03:59 AM

“You are in prison. If you wish to get out of prison, the first thing you must do is realise that you are in prison.

If you think you are free, you can't escape.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on February 07, 2017, 04:27:17 AM

Quote from: Ste on February 07, 2017, 04:03:59 AM

“You are in prison. If you wish to get out of prison, the first thing you must do is realise that you are in prison.

If you think you are free, you can't escape.”

Yeah, you need to break free.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 07, 2017, 04:41:52 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on February 07, 2017, 04:27:17 AM

Quote from: Ste on February 07, 2017, 04:03:59 AM
“You are in prison. If you wish to get out of prison, the first thing you must do is realise that you are in prison.

If you think you are free, you can't escape.”
Yeah, you need to break free.

Its the boil on his arse causing the problem... :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 07, 2017, 04:58:38 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on February 07, 2017, 04:41:52 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on February 07, 2017, 04:27:17 AM
Quote from: Ste on February 07, 2017, 04:03:59 AM
“You are in prison. If you wish to get out of prison, the first thing you must do is realise that you are in prison.

If you think you are free, you can't escape.”
Yeah, you need to break free.

Its the boil on his arse causing the problem... :ROFL:

Went to docs, officially uprated to a carbuncle! A two-header, like Zaphod Beettlebrox. Also I've been very ill recently, ticked off every picture on the Bristol Stool Chart....

(http://www.miraclesofhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Bristol-stool-chart1.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on February 07, 2017, 05:17:21 AM

Quote from: Ste on February 07, 2017, 04:58:38 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on February 07, 2017, 04:41:52 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on February 07, 2017, 04:27:17 AM
Quote from: Ste on February 07, 2017, 04:03:59 AM
“You are in prison. If you wish to get out of prison, the first thing you must do is realise that you are in prison.

If you think you are free, you can't escape.”
Yeah, you need to break free.

Its the boil on his arse causing the problem... :ROFL:

Went to docs, officially uprated to a carbuncle! A two-header, like Zaphod Beettlebrox. Also I've been very ill recently, ticked off every picture on the Bristol Stool Chart....

(http://www.miraclesofhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Bristol-stool-chart1.jpg)

Must be that spicy borscht giving you the shits. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on February 07, 2017, 06:12:31 AM

Quote from: Ste on February 07, 2017, 04:03:59 AM

“You are in prison. If you wish to get out of prison, the first thing you must do is realise that you are in prison.

If you think you are free, you can't escape.”

Strangely, I associate this more with the left/liberals than with people that like Trump/BRexit, etc.

If the left would be more active in fighting the wrongs of the world , I might even switch back, but its not bloody likely.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 07, 2017, 06:21:59 AM

Ste, don't start talking to your boil and going all Richard e Grant on us. Your darling will leave you, even if your career picks up on the4 basis of the advantage of two heads being better than one!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 07, 2017, 06:40:18 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 07, 2017, 06:21:59 AM

Ste, don't start talking to your boil and going all Richard e Grant on us. Your darling will leave you, even if your career picks up on the4 basis of the advantage of two heads being better than one!

About nigh on 40 years ago, I had a four-headed carbuncle. Along with this one these are my only two boils, six heads in total. The earlier one was located on my bum cheek quite high up, not near the crack. This one is right on the a-hole, doc is worried about faecal matter entering my blood stream, so I'm anti-boied up.

Oddly enough, Doc (white, non-Muslim) regaled to me a current theory in Doc circles about toilet paper generally being too rough and dry and spreading poo up and down the crack, rather than cleaning it off, which I what I've always thought. I'm using wet wipes at the moment because of the pain, I think I may continue, since not only is it cleaner and more comfortable, it makes my Trump-hole smell nicer in case I get some ATM action....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 07, 2017, 06:45:43 AM

I reckon wet wipes are the civilised way to go. Only downside is old fashioned sewerage systems that don't like the wipes as they don't break down fast enough in the drainage system.

I confess I am not too worried about the odour in respect of ATM stuff. I reckon that one of the reasons a devotee wants to go there is for the specific tastes and smells. NOM NOM NOM!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 07, 2017, 07:13:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 07, 2017, 06:45:43 AM

I reckon wet wipes are the civilised way to go. Only downside is old fashioned sewerage systems that don't like the wipes as they don't break down fast enough in the drainage system.

I confess I am not too worried about the odour in respect of ATM stuff. I reckon that one of the reasons a devotee wants to go there is for the specific tastes and smells. NOM NOM NOM!

Doesn't sit well with the average FSU woman, 25 showers beforehand or no nooky.....

Watersports or coprophilia right out......

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on February 07, 2017, 09:45:14 AM

It all ~~smells~~ sounds a bit toe curling........uuuuurgghh

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 07, 2017, 10:48:13 AM

DeVos was maybe the weakest of Trump nominations, and it shows in how close this was, and how she was confirmed.

Trump's Education nominee DeVos confirmed as Pence casts historic tiebreaking vote

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/07/trumps-education-nominee-devos-confirmed-as-pence-casts-historic-tiebreaking-vote.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 07, 2017, 11:23:10 AM

Had Trump misspoke, the media would have been all over it. But the democratic mindset shows it does not matter what Republican is president, old habits are not going to change.

Nancy Pelosi says she can't work with 'President Bush

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/07/nancy-pelosi-says-cant-work-with-president-bush.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 07, 2017, 12:08:25 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 07, 2017, 10:48:13 AM

DeVos was maybe the weakest of Trump nominations, and it shows in how close this was, and how she was confirmed.

Trump's Education nominee DeVos confirmed as Pence casts historic tiebreaking vote

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/07/trumps-education-nominee-devos-confirmed-as-pence-casts-historic-tiebreaking-vote.html

Ahh, the woman who has no grasp of basic grammar...

(https://s5.postimg.org/e28ry9yvb/16195169_10211489037962807_1559629229553289974_n.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump - hopefully - NOT to be invited to speak to UK Parliament
Post by: Gipsy on February 07, 2017, 12:10:16 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 06, 2017, 02:00:50 PM

If we can't stop the State Visit - "let's stop him addressing us in Westminster Hall" - where the House of Commons ( MPs) sit ..

Speaker Bercow: Trump should not speak in Parliament

Mr Bercow told MPs that "opposition to racism and sexism" were "hugely important considerations".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604)

AND, he's apologised for his miss demeanour, He has recognised that he was totally out of order, he is also facing the sack..
BUT, nothing as yet about it on the biased beeb's website, who'd a thunk that.. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump - hopefully - NOT to be invited to speak to UK Parliament
Post by: rosco on February 07, 2017, 01:29:33 PM

Quote from: Gipsy on February 07, 2017, 12:10:16 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 06, 2017, 02:00:50 PM
If we can't stop the State Visit - "let's stop him addressing us in Westminster Hall" - where the House of Commons ( MPs) sit ..

Speaker Bercow: Trump should not speak in Parliament

Mr Bercow told MPs that "opposition to racism and sexism" were "hugely important considerations".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604)

AND, he's apologised for his miss demeanour, He has recognised that he was totally out of order, he is also facing the sack..
BUT, nothing as yet about it on the biased beeb's website, who'd a thunk that.. :laugh:

Seen that, talk about a snotter face rising above his station.

Looks like another case of a remoaning anti trumper, assuming they've got the authority to speak for the country. These types are unbelievable and we have one on this very forum. No shame, no grasp of reality and no social awareness which would make it all quite obvious their opinion is not the majority but simply a sick movement dressed up as progress. Shout loud, don't blush, don't listen to alternative view points and bully people who you claim to be bullies.

Seriously though, what happened to common sense, manners and debate? It's like Brexit/Trump has turned a whole group of individuals who claimed to be the educated, tolerant decent folks of society into complete knobbers who must surly know better.

Title: Re: President Trump - hopefully - NOT to be invited to speak to UK Parliament
Post by: Manny on February 08, 2017, 12:48:51 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on February 07, 2017, 12:10:16 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 06, 2017, 02:00:50 PM
If we can't stop the State Visit - "let's stop him addressing us in Westminster Hall" - where the House of Commons ( MPs) sit ..

Speaker Bercow: Trump should not speak in Parliament

Mr Bercow told MPs that "opposition to racism and sexism" were "hugely important considerations".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604)

AND, he's apologised for his miss demeanour, He has recognised that he was totally out of order, he is also facing the sack..
BUT, nothing as yet about it on the biased beeb's website, who'd a thunk that.. :laugh:

Noooooo, that cant be true. The Beeb is a bastion of balanced and fair reportage. We know this is true because Moby tells us this often. :eeekk:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on February 08, 2017, 04:48:37 AM

Quote from: Ste on February 07, 2017, 06:40:18 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 07, 2017, 06:21:59 AM
Ste, don't start talking to your boil and going all Richard e Grant on us. Your darling will leave you, even if your career picks up on the4 basis of the advantage of two heads being better than one!

About nigh on 40 years ago, I had a four-headed carbuncle. Along with this one these are my only two boils, six heads in total. The earlier one was located on my bum cheek quite high up, not near the crack. This one is right on the a-hole, doc is worried about faecal matter entering my blood stream, so I'm anti-boied up.

Oddly enough, Doc (white, non-Muslim) regaled to me a current theory in Doc circles about toilet paper generally being too rough and dry and spreading poo up and down the crack, rather than cleaning it off, which I what I've always thought. I'm using wet wipes at the moment because of the pain, I think I may continue, since not only is it cleaner and more comfortable, it makes my Trump-hole smell nicer in case I get some ATM action....

Ste > TMI

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 08, 2017, 10:44:50 AM

JUST Tweeted by TRUMP: 16 Fake News Stories That Reveal Lying Mainstream Media

http://russia-insider.com/en/media-criticism/just-tweeted-trump-16-fake-news/ri18862

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on February 08, 2017, 11:52:59 AM

AFTER the long :offtopic: enjoyable diversion to the backside problems of certain members. time to co back to the theme of this thread ..... BUT I would like to point out the following:

If I was part of that interesting debate and conversation...... Mr Bercow ....err. ...

Manny

would not have miss the chance of spliting the thread, as constantly keeps doing with any exchances I make with Moby!

BACK ... (http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/ontopic.jpg)

Quote from: msmoby on February 06, 2017, 02:00:50 PM

If we can't stop the State Visit - "let's stop him addressing us in Westminster Hall" - where the House of Commons ( MPs) sit ..

Speaker Bercow: Trump should not speak in Parliament

Mr Bercow told MPs that "opposition to racism and sexism" were "hugely important considerations".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604)

BBC the Zionist Bastion of truth :laugh:

On Monday, the Commons Speaker, John Bercow, picked a side, but with Donald Trump the objection is not abstract: he is the "wrong hands" …..in his opinion.

Bercow is fully entitled, in fact it is his duty, to voice the opinions of the members of the house but not his own "unasked" for opinions.

No, Bercow was wrong and should not inflict his ego on the House. Back when President Reagan was to visit, Labour MPs objected to him speaking in Westminster Hall, so he spoke in the Royal Gallery, so what's new, about Labour objecting to so called right wing Republicans.

Bercow was out of order, as it should have been left to MPs. "The speakers has not just slandered the President, he has insulted the Office of President and the American people. The grounds for dismissal are established in the rules of his role based on abuse of neutrality.

The neutrality of the Speaker was firmly established in 1642 when Speaker William Lenthall refused to take sides after King Charles ordered him to reveal the wherebouts of certain MPs. Lenthall said:

"May it please your Majesty, I have neither eyes to see nor tongue to speak in this place but as the House is pleased to direct me, whose servant I am here".

Note well the words: “...BUT AS THE HOUSE IS PLEASED TO DIRECT ME…."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lenthall

It is not only my opinion but it's also the opinion of many people THAT it is for Americans to choose their President and not anyone else in this country. The anti-Trump hysteria of many people it's a joke but cannot laugh. The Speaker has welcomed with open arms leaders who are human rights abusers and from countries where women suffer second class status and much more. The hypocrisy and disregard by those who wish to Demonise Donald Trump it's astounding and shameful.

Let’s not forget that Trump’s mother is Scottish and he is running his own successful business there providing employment to British people.

How is Trump a "racist?" Was Obama racist too for placing ESTA restrictions on the same 7 Islamic countries? Or Carter when he banned Iranians outright?

What if it turns out that the UN backs Trumps travel restrictions issued against the 7 nations originally on Obama's list?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/24/un-security-council-resolution-terror-threat-obama

"Under the terms of the resolution, all the UN’s member states must “prevent and suppress the recruiting, organizing, transporting or equipping of individuals” who travel to another country to take part in terrorist acts or training. States must also “prevent the movement of terrorists or terrorist groups” through their territory “by effective border controls and controls on issuance of identity papers and travel documents”.

Seems to me the UN is authorising due diligence and in the light of a spate of attacks on France, Germany and the US unrestricted travel to and from "hotspots" would be imprudent.

As about Trump and his election to the President's office, the deep state of the Neoliberals who run the US for years to their own benefit will not stop and cause him daily various problems and I am afraid for his personal safety.

The US has a long history of Assassination attempts and murders of their Presidents.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 08, 2017, 02:55:30 PM

Intel Announces $7 Billion Investment in AZ Factory, Creating Thousands of Jobs

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/08/intel-build-fab-42-factory-arizona-creating-thousands-jobs

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 08, 2017, 05:07:46 PM

Trump administration seen as more truthful than news media: poll

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/318514-trump-admin-seen-as-more-truthful-than-news-media-poll

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 08, 2017, 05:31:35 PM

Jeff Sessions Confirmed as Attorney General, Capping Bitter Battle

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/us/politics/jeff-sessions-attorney-general-confirmation.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 08, 2017, 07:14:36 PM

Mitch McConnell Sees ‘High Level of Satisfaction’ With Trump Administration

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/us/politics/mitch-mcconnell-donald-trump-republicans.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on February 09, 2017, 07:34:31 AM

Quote from: Wiz on February 08, 2017, 11:52:59 AM

As about Trump and his election to the President's office, the deep state of the Neoliberals who run the US for years to their own benefit will not stop and cause him daily various problems and I am afraid for his personal safety.

The US has a long history of Assassination attempts and murders of their Presidents.

The establishment is afraid of Trump. The status qua can be upset.

The problem is if the media keeps on repeating its negative mantra it will eventually effect the public's view of Trump/Pence. Though the public seems to enjoy his twitter posts. For myself I wish there was more substance but he has been in office for less than a month.

As for the assassination of US Presidents there have four ~ plus some 20 attempts. It is 'amusing' one failed attempt resulted in the President beating with his cane the perp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 09, 2017, 07:38:48 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 08, 2017, 02:55:30 PM

Intel Announces $7 Billion Investment in AZ Factory, Creating Thousands of Jobs

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/08/intel-build-fab-42-factory-arizona-creating-thousands-jobs

I hear that Foxconn/Sharps(Think its them) are also going to invest "Big bucks" in a LCD TV screen manufacturing facility...
That will be a few billion $ and plenty of jobs..

Now RT are also reporting it.
https://www.rt.com/business/376676-sharp-builds-plant-usa/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 09, 2017, 09:14:23 AM

In the final analysis markets are driven by expectations, by emotion. We can talk an economy into recession and out of it. Of course there's other tools in play as well but the value of a thing is no more or less than what we are willing to pay for it.

Trump has been busy changing expectations. In part he has been doing so in a very visible way with the people of the USA but in a less visible, but possibly more useful, way with businesses.

If my guess is right we will start to see a virtuous cycle of investments and announcements. Think of it this way: in the case of Foxconn, which is better for them as a business: to open a new factory in advance of a wave of similar firms taking needed resources and thus at higher cost, or being behind the curve, paying higher prices for land, employees and infrastructure as well as losing profitability due to imposition of tariffs on the products they export to the USA?

I have no idea what was said in any boardroom, or offered to any CEO, but if I was looking to expand my manufacturing business sales in the USA right now I'd be mad to not consider the 'Trump Effect' in my location planning.

It might be that the Trump Effect may end up being more about perception than about actually raising tariffs etc. but that does not matter. If the effect is as desired then threat is as good as action (better, because it is cheaper for all stakeholders and needs little or no legislation!)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 09, 2017, 02:09:23 PM

Looking over the Trump news headlines, makes a person wonder how any of the politicians ever get reelected? Very few have interest in actually doing their job. The Democrats are whining about everything possible, little of this has anything to do with moving forward, just dragging things out as long as possible.

Then you have a few republicans such as McCain, Rubio, Gramm just to name a few, that are so caught up in the Russia is our enemy theme that they are also becoming very counterproductive.
In reality Russia and the United would benefit greatly from working together. Russia has never attacked American soil, like Japan did at pearl harbor, yet Japan for many years has been very good relationship with the United states.
I just don't see why it's such a sin to say anything positive about Russia?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 09, 2017, 04:20:42 PM

DAMMIT TRUMP.

QUIT MAKING "UNFORCED ERRORS"!

On a day when tax reform should have dominated the news, we had to deal with his comments about his endorsement of his daughter failing business and his attack on a Democrat Senator.

Stop acting like a neighborhood bully and start acting like a President of the United States!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 09, 2017, 05:44:05 PM

Trump rages in ALL CAPS after appeals court rules against him

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/02/09/trump-tweets-after-immigration-ruling/97719386/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 10, 2017, 09:19:49 AM

9th Circuit behaved exactly as predicted.

How will Trump react?

Will he be the usual Trump and tweet insults at the Appellate judges and instruct his lawyers at the Justice Department to get into a big ego fight at the Supreme Court causing this issue to be the center of attention of the media for the next 6 weeks and detract from all the other goals he has promised to accomplish during the first 200 days of his administration?

Or will he for once act Presidential and simply re-issue the Executive Order making paragraph changes to address the objections of the 9th Circuit and move his focus to other important things like tax reform, building the wall and infrastructure? This could actually be done before close of business today and would immediately reinstate the immigration suspension from the seven targeted countries and quite probably prevail by an 8-0 margin if appealed to the Supreme Court.

I think it's 50-50. I hope he chooses the later.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 10, 2017, 10:41:03 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 10, 2017, 09:19:49 AM

9th Circuit behaved exactly as predicted.

How will Trump react?

Will he be the usual Trump and tweet insults at the Appellate judges and instruct his lawyers at the Justice Department to get into a big ego fight at the Supreme Court causing this issue to be the center of attention of the media for the next 6 weeks and detract from all the other goals he has promised to accomplish during the first 200 days of his administration?

Or will he for once act Presidential and simply re-issue the Executive Order making paragraph changes to address the objections of the 9th Circuit and move his focus to other important things like tax reform, building the wall and infrastructure? This could actually be done before close of business today and would immediately reinstate the immigration suspension from the seven targeted countries and quite probably prevail by an 8-0 margin if appealed to the Supreme Court.

I think it's 50-50. I hope he chooses the later.

White House Rewriting Trump’s Controversial Travel Ban Order: Sources

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/white-house-rewriting-trump-s-controversial-travel-ban-order-sources-n719356

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 10, 2017, 01:56:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 10, 2017, 09:19:49 AM

9th Circuit behaved exactly as predicted.

There's a reason it's referred to as the "9th Circus Court of Appeals".

The Left has long relied on the courts for victories that they cannot win at the ballot box. Time to get Gorsuch approved and start imposing our will....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 10, 2017, 02:19:33 PM

Putin says he’s ready to meet Trump in Slovenian capital

https://www.rt.com/news/376975-putin-meet-trump-slovenia/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 10, 2017, 03:27:26 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 10, 2017, 09:19:49 AM

9th Circuit behaved exactly as predicted.

I think you are over reacting. Obama called out the US Supreme's in their
faces during the State of the Union. The Dems do it and I am all for the
GOP doing the same thing.

Regarding the 9th circus court,

The congress can and should change it up. They have complete power to do
so. They can change the various circuits around and eliminate 1 or 2 while
adding 3 or 4.

Look at the map.

(http://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/styles/lead/public/circuit_map_in_agency_palette-full-size.png?itok=qwZ7nLt8)

The system could be coordinated better both by Geography and by population.
They could easily make it into 15 districts instead of 12 and eliminate a district
or two altogether. The 9th Circuit has 44 judges. They could eliminate the entire
circuit and make it into 2 new ones and get rid of all the justices in that district.

Yes, the Democrats would scream and riot on the streets and burn buildings but
the GOP should do it anyway. They could easily get rid of 50 liberal appeals court
judges. The system is overwhelmed as it is and they can get rid of 50 or so nutters
and replace them with 60-70 GOP nominees.

It's a slam dunk if you ask me, but McConnell would never do it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 10, 2017, 03:44:31 PM

Marine vet speaks out about viral video supporting Trump travel ban

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/10/marine-vet-speaks-out-about-viral-video-supporting-trump-travel-ban.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 10, 2017, 04:34:34 PM

Fake news?

Russia Considers Returning Snowden to U.S.to ‘Curry Favor’ With Trump: Official

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russia-eyes-sending-snowden-u-s-gift-trump-official-n718921

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 10, 2017, 06:16:26 PM

We have a problem with the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. This is how I'd fix it - dilute their power so they're no longer a factor. The 3rd Amendment gives Congress to set the manner and number of federal courts. Time to use that power is NOW!

1) Reduce the size of the 9th Circuit to Northern California, Oregon and Washington,

2) Create an 11th Circuit Court for Southern California, Arizona Alaska and Hawaii,

3) Create a 12th Circuit for Montana, Idaho Nevada and Arizona,

4) Have the President nominate and the Senate immediately approve all the necessary new judges required to fully staff the newly created courts,

5) Reduce the number of 9th Circuit judges by 1/2 (including all three of the judges who were party to the ridiculous ruling). Thank the ones who are "retired" for their service.

And this is all possible thanks to, yes you guessed it Harry Reid and his use of the "nuclear option" for his short term advantage back in 2013.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 10, 2017, 07:24:14 PM

Just keeps getting better!

Top Fed Regulator to Resign in April, Setting Stage for Trump Shakeup

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/top-fed-regulator-resign-april-setting-stage-trump-shakeup-n719536

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 11, 2017, 09:39:55 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 10, 2017, 09:19:49 AM

9th Circuit behaved exactly as predicted.

How will Trump react?

Will he be the usual Trump and tweet insults at the Appellate judges and instruct his lawyers at the Justice Department to get into a big ego fight at the Supreme Court causing this issue to be the center of attention of the media for the next 6 weeks and detract from all the other goals he has promised to accomplish during the first 200 days of his administration?

Or will he for once act Presidential and simply re-issue the Executive Order making paragraph changes to address the objections of the 9th Circuit and move his focus to other important things like tax reform, building the wall and infrastructure? This could actually be done before close of business today and would immediately reinstate the immigration suspension from the seven targeted countries and quite probably prevail by an 8-0 margin if appealed to the Supreme Court.

I think it's 50-50. I hope he chooses the later.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 11, 2017, 09:50:03 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 10, 2017, 06:16:26 PM

We have a problem with the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. This is how I'd fix it - dilute their power so they're no longer a factor. The 3rd Amendment gives Congress to set the manner and number of federal courts. Time to use that power is NOW!

1) Reduce the size of the 9th Circuit to Northern California, Oregon and Washington,

2) Create an 11th Circuit Court for Southern California, Arizona Alaska and Hawaii,

3) Create a 12th Circuit for Montana, Idaho Nevada and Arizona,

4) Have the President nominate and the Senate immediately approve all the necessary new judges required to fully staff the newly created courts,

5) Reduce the number of 9th Circuit judges by 1/2 (including all three of the judges who were party to the ridiculous ruling). Thank the ones who are "retired" for their service.

And this is all possible thanks to, yes you guessed it Harry Reid and his use of the "nuclear option" for his short term advantage back in 2013.

I like this plan and hope McConnell has the courage to do it. Perhaps Pence and Trump can give the cowardly lion a heart.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 11, 2017, 09:52:33 AM

Quote from: Popka! on February 10, 2017, 03:27:26 PM

The system could be coordinated better both by Geography and by population.
They could easily make it into 15 districts instead of 12 and eliminate a district
or two altogether. The 9th Circuit has 44 judges. They could eliminate the entire
circuit and make it into 2 new ones and get rid of all the justices in that district.

Yes, the Democrats would scream and riot on the streets and burn buildings but
the GOP should do it anyway. They could easily get rid of 50 liberal appeals court
judges. The system is overwhelmed as it is and they can get rid of 50 or so nutters
and replace them with 60-70 GOP nominees.

It's a slam dunk if you ask me, but McConnell would never do it.

McConnell be damned I see Pence as the leader of the Senate. Do it and make our votes for Trump really worth it!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 11, 2017, 11:26:04 AM

Christ this girl can't even take care of her own personal life now she wants to solve the Syrian crisis? :'( these Hollywood types really need a reality check.

Lindsay Lohan Wants Meeting with Trump, Putin to Solve Syrian Refugee Crisis

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/11/lindsay-lohan-syria-refugees-trump-putin-meeting

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 11, 2017, 11:40:05 AM

leftist tards responsible for real hate crimes.

http://nypost.com/2016/12/05/report-buried-trump-related-hate-crimes-against-white-kids/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on February 11, 2017, 11:53:49 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 10, 2017, 04:34:34 PM

Fake news?

Russia Considers Returning Snowden to U.S.to ‘Curry Favor’ With Trump: Official

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russia-eyes-sending-snowden-u-s-gift-trump-official-n718921

Saw some other reports of the same sort.

That would test Trump and be the ultimate hot potato or poison pill.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 11, 2017, 11:56:38 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 10, 2017, 06:16:26 PM

We have a problem with the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. This is how I'd fix it - dilute their power so they're no longer a factor. The 3rd Amendment gives Congress to set the manner and number of federal courts. Time to use that power is NOW!

1) Reduce the size of the 9th Circuit to Northern California, Oregon and Washington,

You know the Dems will scream like a two year old girl with her candy stolen,
but I would do a repeal and replace. Eliminate everyone in the 9th circuit and replace it with 2 or more circuits with new justices. Don't just dilute them
eliminate them.

The Dems can only scream so loud and they will scream the same whether you
dilute the circuit or eliminate it, so do the latter. If you really like Justice Noose
Hanger then appoint him or her to one of the new courts.

Next, don't do any of this with help from the Dems. They won't be helpful and
wouldn't invite us to help them if the shoe was on the other foot.

Lastly make sure RINO nitwits like Orrin Hatch and Lindsey Graham have ZERO
input into the discussion. They would fill half the court with the David Souter's
of the judicial world.

[EDIT TO ADD]

I would also create a totally new immigration court AND appeals court.
Current backlog is a decade or more and you take the regular appeals
circuses out of the loop with next stop at the Supreme's.

The dems would scream but they will be horse from fighting too many
fights on too many fronts. You can throw around terms like speedy trial,
etc in their faces.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 11, 2017, 12:43:03 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 11, 2017, 11:56:38 AM

You know the Dems will scream like a two year old girl with her candy stolen,
but I would do a repeal and replace. Eliminate everyone in the 9th circuit and replace it with 2 or more circuits with new justices. Don't just dilute them
eliminate them.

I'm not so sure you can just "retire" federally appointed judges who have
a lifetime appointment by reducing the size of their district . That might
be a good question for B.B. to address?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 11, 2017, 01:41:49 PM

Oh good gawd Trump . . . . . . .

Stop, just frickin' stop!

:'(

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump has revived groundless claims of voter fraud, arguing in a lunch meeting with senators that he and former Republican Sen. Kelly Ayotte would have won in New Hampshire if not for voters bused in from out of state.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 11, 2017, 02:04:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 11, 2017, 01:41:49 PM

Oh good gawd Trump . . . . . . .

Stop, just frickin' stop!

:'(

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump has revived groundless claims of voter fraud, arguing in a lunch meeting with senators that he and former Republican Sen. Kelly Ayotte would have won in New Hampshire if not for voters bused in from out of state.

I agreed with you that Trump should not have been tweeting about the 9th circuit; that was in very bad form especially prior to their decision.

We disagree about the voter fraud issue. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 11, 2017, 02:09:22 PM

Quote from: Ste on February 07, 2017, 03:25:09 AM

Quote from: Confederate on February 07, 2017, 01:52:29 AM
Quote from: msmoby on February 06, 2017, 02:00:50 PM
If we can't stop the State Visit - "let's stop him addressing us in Westminster Hall" - where the House of Commons ( MPs) sit ..

Speaker Bercow: Trump should not speak in Parliament

Mr Bercow told MPs that "opposition to racism and sexism" were "hugely important considerations".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38884604)

Yet another left wing sh*t head hypocrite. HE is the one who should not be allowed to speak or represent the UK.

(https://i2.wp.com/order-order.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/KUWAIT.png?w=540&ssl=1)

https://order-order.com/2017/02/06/bercow-welcomed-emir-of-kuwait-despite-travel-ban-and-dire-human-rights-record/

He was a member of the Tory party....

I for one support him, free speech is one thing, hate speech is another, though it might be fun to watch Trump torn apart by the collective Commons...

Show me one real incident of Trump engaging in hate speech. You can't do it because it does not exist.

All "hate crimes" claimed by the left were exposed as hoaxes. That's what you're all about -- distortion, lies, fraud.

I can show you numerous examples or hate speech emanating from the left as well as real acts of violence.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 11, 2017, 02:29:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 11, 2017, 12:43:03 PM

I'm not so sure you can just "retire" federally appointed judges who have
a lifetime appointment by reducing the size of their district . That might
be a good question for B.B. to address?

I put htis question to the Washington DC based attorney in charge of my industry lobbying group. He responded that he isn't sure about the answer to this question, but he suspects that once appointed, judges can't be "retired" just because you administratively changed their jurisdiction. They'd be assigned to an equal or greater position in any newly created courts.

A lifetime appointment means a lifetime appointment I guess.

B.B., I'd be interested in your opinion in this question :thumbsup:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 11, 2017, 03:14:30 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 11, 2017, 02:29:50 PM

A lifetime appointment means a lifetime appointment I guess.

B.B., I'd be interested in your opinion in this question :thumbsup:

Not B.B. but congress can eliminate an entire circuit appeals or change their
mandate, or what types of cases that they hear. Believe it or not none of these
courts invented themselves. They were given their abilities and jurisdiction by
congress.

The Constitution vests the judicial power "in one supreme Court, and in such
inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time establish" Congress can't
do a lot with the supreme court (they could change the number of justices to
three for example but they CAN do whatever they want with the inferior courts.

Jurisdiction stripping
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction_stripping

another good read
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/02/want-to-take-back-our-sovereignty-start-by-breaking-up-the-ninth-circuit

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 11, 2017, 03:28:57 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 11, 2017, 03:14:30 PM

Not B.B. but congress can eliminate an entire circuit appeals or change their
mandate, or what types of cases that they hear. Believe it or not none of these
courts invented themselves. They were given their abilities and jurisdiction by
congress.

The Constitution vests the judicial power "in one supreme Court, and in such
inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time establish" Congress can't
do a lot with the supreme court (they could change the number of justices to
three for example but they CAN do whatever they want with the inferior courts.

I agree with your general thoughts, however that doesn't deal specifically with what to do with the already lifetime appointed judges. I'd be surprised if you were legally able to remove a federal judge who has a lifetime appointment by administratively eliminating his jurisdiction. It's an interesting question.

Trump may decide to take President Jackson's attitude when presented with a court decision he didn't approve of. In Worchester v Georgia (1832), Jackson said "It's Mr. Marshall's decision, now let him enforce it"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 11, 2017, 04:17:59 PM

Trump trolls the media to cover what he wants them to cover. :laugh:

https://twitter.com/prageru/status/828984521987010561

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 11, 2017, 04:49:24 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4Wy2e4VMAAlQr9.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 11, 2017, 05:56:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 11, 2017, 03:28:57 PM

I agree with your general thoughts, however that doesn't deal specifically with what to do with the already lifetime appointed judges. I'd be surprised if you were legally able to remove a federal judge who has a lifetime appointment by administratively eliminating his jurisdiction. It's an interesting question.

Trump may decide to take President Jackson's attitude when presented with a court decision he didn't approve of. In Worchester v Georgia (1832), Jackson said "It's Mr. Marshall's decision, now let him enforce it"

If congress eliminated the 9th circus then all the judges would be eliminated as
well. They wouldn't be killed but their lifetime appointment is for as long as congress decides that their court exists.

Congress can decide that the Supreme Court needs only 5 justices tomorrow.
What would they do with the 3 extra judges? They would have to decide that
legislatively as well.

Congress can decide that the Supreme Court needs 13 justices if they want.

The courts have gotten far too big for their britches. Look at the reverence that
you think Republicans should show them! Congress can and should take them
down several notches.

Congress can decide that the current 9th circuit court of appeals now deals
exclusively with the garment or shipping industry ending the liberal confab
control over the Western States.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on February 11, 2017, 06:02:39 PM

Those who wrote the Constitution wrote with with checks and balances.

For myself I become nervous when some say because it is inconvienyent lets do away with that which we find a pain and not to our liking.

Yes I am troubled by some of the 'mandates' and 'interpertations' that have been created or made by judges, but to do away with portions of the legal foundation is a sure way to a wobbly structure.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 11, 2017, 06:46:45 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on February 11, 2017, 06:02:39 PM

Those who wrote the Constitution wrote with with checks and balances.

For myself I become nervous when some say because it is inconvienyent lets do away with that which we find a pain and not to our liking.

Yes I am troubled by some of the 'mandates' and 'interpertations' that have been created or made by judges, but to do away with portions of the legal foundation is a sure way to a wobbly structure.

When justices start writing laws (not their business) they need to have their
noses put back into their own business. If Congress gets a little to big for
their britches then they lose their seats. That's how the checks and
balances work out. Nothing in the constitution said that all these circuit
courts needed to exist. Congress decides that.

What it says in Article 1 section 8
Is that the congress shall have the power
"To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court"

What it says in Article 3 section 1
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court,
and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to
time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and
inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour,
and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which
shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 11, 2017, 07:49:45 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 11, 2017, 06:46:45 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on February 11, 2017, 06:02:39 PM
Those who wrote the Constitution wrote with with checks and balances.

For myself I become nervous when some say because it is inconvienyent lets do away with that which we find a pain and not to our liking.

Yes I am troubled by some of the 'mandates' and 'interpertations' that have been created or made by judges, but to do away with portions of the legal foundation is a sure way to a wobbly structure.

When justices start writing laws (not their business) they need to have their
noses put back into their own business. If Congress gets a little to big for
their britches then they lose their seats. That's how the checks and
balances work out. Nothing in the constitution said that all these circuit
courts needed to exist. Congress decides that.

What it says in Article 1 section 8
Is that the congress shall have the power
"To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court"

What it says in Article 3 section 1
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court,
and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to
time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and
inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour,
and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which
shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

It's clear that leftist judges have behaved like political activists and politicians and not like judges ought to behave.

Av raises a valid concern but in this case it is the 9th circuit is who has been desecrating our Constitution. 86% failure rate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 11, 2017, 07:51:56 PM

Lawrence Solomon: Trump is right to warm to Putin. Russia, U.S. are more naturally friends than enemies :coffeeread:

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/full-comment/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/lawrence-solomon-trump-is-right-to-warm-to-putin-russia-u-s-are-more-naturally-friends-than-enemies

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 11, 2017, 07:54:11 PM

Opinion piece on the defective 9th circuit court decision.

The Ninth Circuit’s Putsch – America watches as activist judges issue rambling, misguided opinion

"Things got darker fast. The court asked what “hardship” might be produced if they did not grant the stay – and answered themselves, none. If President’s objective was to stop accidentally importing terrorism from countries where it is plentiful, what about the “hardship” of future terrorist attacks?

Did the court pause to track terror events in Europe from those countries? No. Did they note the public striving by ISIS to get into America? No. Did they consider “hardship” suffered by victims of foreign-inspired terrorism in Boston, San Bernardino, Orlando, Texas, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, even Seattle – where the district judge sits? No. How much risk is too much? How many hairs should we split? Who should split them? Why not the President?

True, some visas were cancelled for those from the seven terrorist countries. But the White House clarified the issue for permanent residents, and noted the order was temporary. Apparently not enough. So, where was all this permanent, “irreparable damage” to the States? Their “economy” and “public universities.” Why, because students and professors were delayed in return? How many were really from Libya, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Sudan, Somalia, or Yemen? How does the Court know no terrorists? Finally, the court says: Universities “suffered the loss of visa application costs.” Exactly 160 dollars per visa. And … for this we risk national security?"

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/02/10/ninth-circuit-s-putsch-america-watches-as-activist-judges-issue-rambling-misguided-opinion.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on February 11, 2017, 08:44:23 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 11, 2017, 07:49:45 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 11, 2017, 06:46:45 PM
Quote from: AvHdB on February 11, 2017, 06:02:39 PM
Those who wrote the Constitution wrote with with checks and balances.

For myself I become nervous when some say because it is inconvienyent lets do away with that which we find a pain and not to our liking.

Yes I am troubled by some of the 'mandates' and 'interpertations' that have been created or made by judges, but to do away with portions of the legal foundation is a sure way to a wobbly structure.

When justices start writing laws (not their business) they need to have their
noses put back into their own business. If Congress gets a little to big for
their britches then they lose their seats. That's how the checks and
balances work out. Nothing in the constitution said that all these circuit
courts needed to exist. Congress decides that.

What it says in Article 1 section 8
Is that the congress shall have the power
"To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court"

What it says in Article 3 section 1
The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court,
and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to
time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and
inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour,
and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services, a Compensation, which
shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

It's clear that leftist judges have behaved like political activists and politicians and not like judges ought to behave.

Av raises a valid concern but in this case it is the 9th circuit is who has been desecrating our Constitution. 86% failure rate.

It seems that at times the 9th Circuit is a bit 'Willy Nilly'. But it is such a 'slippery slope' I see these matters as a pendulum that has swung to far one way or the other.

Where is the balance, in the middle I hope.

But we have come in a way to the bigger question of the polarization of politics in The United States. Before Roe versus Wade, there was a spirit of compromise and that is (sadly) gone.
EDIT/NB
It seems this extends to all levels of society.

With policing
In the Senate and House
In Courts
Between Nations.
&
On forums such as this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 11, 2017, 09:34:45 PM

We've got a loooooong way until we get back to the middle. Hollyweird is about 95% PC marxist fruitcakes. Us normies would welcome the middle there -- say 50 percent conservative Christian in all aspects. Instead we've got subversive sickos who want to destroy us.

Same for the media -- infected with cultural marxists to the tune again about 95 percent. And then there are our public Universities -- probably more than 95 percent marxist a$$holes.

Tell us about that pendulum again. It's got a very long way to get back to the middle. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 11, 2017, 09:57:19 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 11, 2017, 07:51:56 PM

Lawrence Solomon: Trump is right to warm to Putin. Russia, U.S. are more naturally friends than enemies :coffeeread:

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/full-comment/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/lawrence-solomon-trump-is-right-to-warm-to-putin-russia-u-s-are-more-naturally-friends-than-enemies

Good article. I liked the history of the relationship prior to WWI.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 11, 2017, 09:59:26 PM

Fascinating!

https://twitter.com/reardongalt/status/830565375230111744

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 11, 2017, 11:55:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 11, 2017, 12:43:03 PM

I'm not so sure you can just "retire" federally appointed judges who have
a lifetime appointment by reducing the size of their district . That might
be a good question for B.B. to address?

That would be very, very difficult to do, and would lead to repercussions. The cure, for the GOP, is to confirm Gorsuch, ASAP.

It certainly wouldn't be done for the sake of one executive order, and basically you'd have to carve out (for this order) everywhere with point of entry to the USA (border checkpoints, international airports, seaports) to avoid someone bringing a case in a "liberal" state - there was a reason that Seattle and Minneapolis were chosen.

It's just not tenable. Easier to confirm Gorsuch, and to re-populate the federal bench with GOP appointees. Right now, the Dems are in control, ideologically-speaking, of the majority of appeals courts. So the key is to appoint rock-ribbed conservatives...and wait.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 12, 2017, 02:00:55 AM

Quote from: B.B. on February 11, 2017, 11:55:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 11, 2017, 12:43:03 PM
I'm not so sure you can just "retire" federally appointed judges who have
a lifetime appointment by reducing the size of their district . That might
be a good question for B.B. to address?

That would be very, very difficult to do, and would lead to repercussions. The cure, for the GOP, is to confirm Gorsuch, ASAP.

It certainly wouldn't be done for the sake of one executive order, and basically you'd have to carve out (for this order) everywhere with point of entry to the USA (border checkpoints, international airports, seaports) to avoid someone bringing a case in a "liberal" state - there was a reason that Seattle and Minneapolis were chosen.

It's just not tenable. Easier to confirm Gorsuch, and to re-populate the federal bench with GOP appointees. Right now, the Dems are in control, ideologically-speaking, of the majority of appeals courts. So the key is to appoint rock-ribbed conservatives...and wait.

B/B

Put ankle bracelet trackers on them with listening devices as they enter the U.S.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 12, 2017, 02:01:49 AM

Someone with less than perfect English just posted this:

First to comment I posted this:

Quote

Killed my uncle at the Chosin Reservoir, Korea December 3, 1950 in a sneak attack in an undeclared war against the U.S. Outnumbered them 10 to 1 the Chinese Red Army couldn't annihilate the 7th Army Division and the First Marine Division.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/nlzkmw.png)
Sergeant First Class, Walter G, 7th Army Division 31st infantry

I don't know why China was given most favored nation status in 2001 and allowed to take away our manufacturing base. Trump is on to that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on February 12, 2017, 04:17:18 AM

Quote from: B.B. on February 11, 2017, 11:55:28 PM

It certainly wouldn't be done for the sake of one executive order, and basically you'd have to carve out (for this order) everywhere with point of entry to the USA (border checkpoints, international airports, seaports) to avoid someone bringing a case in a "liberal" state - there was a reason that Seattle and Minneapolis were chosen.

It's just not tenable. Easier to confirm Gorsuch, and to re-populate the federal bench with GOP appointees. Right now, the Dems are in control, ideologically-speaking, of the majority of appeals courts. So the key is to appoint rock-ribbed conservatives...and wait.

B/B

It is not possible or feasible to create a check point at every point of entry.

There are as I see things two issues (keys):

Governing or managing by executive order, something that was started long ago is not really a democracy. Yes I see the need and purpose during a war, but both Obama and Bush II abused this system.

Having impartial judges with a sound understanding of law and above politics would be the second key. I suspect and hope that Gorsuch is the right man.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on February 12, 2017, 05:08:48 AM

Quote from: Maxx on February 12, 2017, 02:01:49 AM

Someone with less than perfect English just posted this:

First to comment I posted this:

Quote
Killed my uncle at the Chosin Reservoir, Korea December 3, 1950 in a sneak attack in an undeclared war against the U.S. Outnumbered them 10 to 1 the Chinese Red Army couldn't annihilate the 7th Army Division and the First Marine Division.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/nlzkmw.png)
Sergeant First Class, Walter G, 7th Army Division 31st infantry

I don't know why China was given most favored nation status in 2001 and allowed to take away our manufacturing base. Trump is on to that.

Nice legs.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 12, 2017, 09:56:19 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on February 11, 2017, 11:53:49 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 10, 2017, 04:34:34 PM
Fake news?

Russia Considers Returning Snowden to U.S.to ‘Curry Favor’ With Trump: Official

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/russia-eyes-sending-snowden-u-s-gift-trump-official-n718921

Saw some other reports of the same sort.

That would test Trump and be the ultimate hot potato or poison pill.

Reports that Moscow is to ‘gift’ Snowden to Trump meant to pressure new administration – Zakharova

https://www.rt.com/news/377103-zakharova-trump-us-administration/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 12, 2017, 10:05:25 AM

Quote from: B.B. on February 11, 2017, 11:55:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 11, 2017, 12:43:03 PM
I'm not so sure you can just "retire" federally appointed judges who have
a lifetime appointment by reducing the size of their district . That might
be a good question for B.B. to address?

That would be very, very difficult to do, and would lead to repercussions. The cure, for the GOP, is to confirm Gorsuch, ASAP.

It certainly wouldn't be done for the sake of one executive order, and basically you'd have to carve out (for this order) everywhere with point of entry to the USA (border checkpoints, international airports, seaports) to avoid someone bringing a case in a "liberal" state - there was a reason that Seattle and Minneapolis were chosen.

It's just not tenable. Easier to confirm Gorsuch, and to re-populate the federal bench with GOP appointees. Right now, the Dems are in control, ideologically-speaking, of the majority of appeals courts. So the key is to appoint rock-ribbed conservatives...and wait.

B/B

Good to know. They may need to go nuclear to get approval for Gorsuch but will be worth it.

Meanwhile Trump has encouraged ICE to do their job and they are. No new laws yet, just let them do their job as opposed to Hussein O. who did not fully allow them to do their jobs. The msg. being sent to Mexicans and Central Americans is clear: new Sheriff in town, don't bother trying to come illegally.

Next he will be cutting off funding for the following cities if they refuse to follow the law of the land

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4ZJL9WVUAIb6qn.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 12, 2017, 10:11:02 AM

Liberals have no clue re-Trump's travel ban. Obama had also had a similar ban but no protests.

http://theamericanfirst.com/video-liberals-have-no-clue-why-they-protest-trumps-travel-ban/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 12, 2017, 10:18:47 AM

the irony of it. :laugh:

https://twitter.com/247ltd/status/830818014048051200

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 12, 2017, 12:28:24 PM

Trump rally in the UK to benefit UK military veterans?

http://www.westmonster.com/mega-trump-rally-for-britains-war-veterans/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 12, 2017, 01:16:20 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 11, 2017, 11:55:28 PM

That would be very, very difficult to do, and would lead to repercussions. The cure, for the GOP, is to confirm Gorsuch, ASAP.

It certainly wouldn't be done for the sake of one executive order, and basically you'd have to carve out (for this order) everywhere with point of entry to the USA (border checkpoints, international airports, seaports) to avoid someone bringing a case in a "liberal" state - there was a reason that Seattle and Minneapolis were chosen.

It's just not tenable. Easier to confirm Gorsuch, and to re-populate the federal bench with GOP appointees. Right now, the Dems are in control, ideologically-speaking, of the majority of appeals courts. So the key is to appoint rock-ribbed conservatives...and wait.

B/B

The 9th Circuit is by far the largest of the 13 federal appellate courts,
covering nine Western states and two Pacific island territories the district’s
size contributes to a court case gridlock.

“The average wait time for a decision is 15 months,”

The 8th and 10th Circuit in the west were broken up in 1929. And the 5th
Circuit was broken up in 1981, so it wouldn't be an unprecedented move.

The tradition of senatorial courtesy, which holds that judges would not be
appointed over the objection of one of the state's senators, is stupid and
should be immediately suspended.

A clear argument has been made that the court isn't getting it done and
are in need of a retool/redesign. The democrats will scream at any solution
to fix it. They will equally scream if the court was eliminated or if even 1
new appellate justice was added.

So I say, eliminate the 9th circuit and add 2 or 3 to replace it. The Dems
can only squeal so loud. They will squeal at their maximum loudness
either way*.

Most of all I disagree with doing nothing except wait until we can appoint
new judges as old judges retire. The 15 month waiting time is more
Banana Republic-ish (Yes I made that phrase up)

Tell me when was the last time they added a justice to the 9th circuit?
I Googled it and went through too many links none of which answered
the question. When was the last time the population in the West went
up?

*Screaming loudness a good idea for a separate post

NOTE: I don't have time to properly footnote my post.
You can find that I quoted from these two articles.

http://www.scpr.org/programs/take-two/2017/02/10/55009/why-the-9th-circuit-court-is-such-an-attractive-ta/

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/bill-remove-nevada-5-other-states-nutty-9th-circuit-court-may-be

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 12, 2017, 04:50:24 PM

Based on what happened in 1929 with the 10th Circuit, the precedent was to reassign judges based on their residence, not retire them and select new judges.

Newly created districts would of course be allowed to select new judges as established by the Congress.

"Congress passed a statute that placed Minnesota, Iowa, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Missouri, and Arkansas in the Eighth Circuit and created a Tenth Circuit that included Wyoming, Colorado, Utah, New Mexico, Kansas, and Oklahoma. Three additional judgeships were authorized and the sitting circuit judges were reassigned according to their residence. The Tenth Circuit was assigned a total of four judgeships.[2]"

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 12, 2017, 06:29:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 12, 2017, 04:50:24 PM

Based on what happened in 1929 with the 10th Circuit, the precedent was to reassign judges based on their residence, not retire them and select new judges.

Why are you nitpicking picking snippets? Why don't you offer a mea culpa
after claiming Trump makes an unforced error by tweeting about a nut job
federal judge when Obama does it in the State of the Union with all of them
sitting there? [honestly I don't care about the mea culpa] You fessed up and
paid up when you made your bets, that's enough gravitas for me.

The 10th circuit was a NEW circuit court created by statute in 1929.

There isn't a precedent for retiring judges, I'll give you that, however, there
is a precedent of breaking up a court and taking part of it's territory away
and making a new circuit court of appeals. The ninth is the largest by far
in every aspect, geography, population and even time zones. It's the most
ripe for breaking up and then adding new justices based on population
growth.

The left will scream as loud as if Trump got one additional Fed Justice as
they would if he accidentally nuked Berkeley. They will lose their minds.
So if they are going to lose their minds anyway, why not go to town?

1. In 1929 Congress passed a statute dividing the Eighth Circuit that placed Minnesota, Iowa, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Missouri, and
Arkansas in the Eighth Circuit and created a Tenth Circuit

2. On October 1, 1981, under Public Law 96-452, the Fifth Circuit was split: Alabama, Georgia, and Florida were moved to the new Eleventh Circuit.

There are 117 federal court vacancies
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/10/there-are-still-117-court-vacancies-to-be-filled-by-trump/

Why couldn't we add another 10-20 Fed court justices?

Trump should put together an executive search with Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and
the Heritage Foundation to fill these spots asap.

Population and workload goes up but not the number of Justices
260 million (1993) vs 317 million (2013)
649 justices (1993) vs 677 justices (2013)
There should be 791
http://trac.syr.edu/tracreports/judge/364/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 12, 2017, 07:36:23 PM

ICE doing their jobs. CA wants federal assistance for the Oroville dam situation. No problem, get with the program and cancel sanctuary cities. The costs are outrageous. Time to #MAGA.

http://www.fairus.org/news/illegal-immigration-costs-california-taxpayers-more-than-25-billion-a-year-finds-fair

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 13, 2017, 09:17:53 AM

This lady has courage. She unveiled this outfit at the Grammy's. #JoyVilla

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4hkS_MUYAAFaj2.jpg:large)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 13, 2017, 01:19:35 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 12, 2017, 06:29:28 PM

Trump should put together an executive search with Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and
the Heritage Foundation to fill these spots asap.

Actually, I think Ted Cruz should be put on the Court at the next opportunity. He's 46 and you know he's not going to go all wobbly like Brennan, Souter and, to some exent, Kennedy.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 13, 2017, 01:40:59 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 13, 2017, 01:19:35 PM

Actually, I think Ted Cruz should be put on the Court at the next opportunity. He's 46 and you know he's not going to go all wobbly like Brennan, Souter and, to some exent, Kennedy.

B/B

I think he'd make an EXCELLENT Supreme Court Justice however I rather doubt he'd get Senate Confirmation after his little stunt back in 2013 to close down the government. He's one of the most unpopular Senators serving in the 114th Congress.

And I think our friend Popka is a little cavalier on how the law might dictate we handle sitting federal judges.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 13, 2017, 01:58:38 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 13, 2017, 01:19:35 PM

Actually, I think Ted Cruz should be put on the Court at the next opportunity. He's 46 and you know he's not going to go all wobbly like Brennan, Souter and, to some extent, Kennedy.

B/B

I would love for both Ted Cruz(46) and Mike Lee(45) to be on the Court.
They both say they don't want it but that might only be because they
haven't been seriously offered it.

Some other Margaret Thatcher quotes

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't.

I am extraordinarily patient, provided I get my own way in the end.

Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down
by the traffic from both sides.

“Do you know that one of the great problems of our age is that we are
governed by people who care more about feelings than they do about
thoughts and ideas.”

“When I'm out of politics I'm going to run a business, it'll be called rent-a-spine”

“Being democratic is not enough, a majority cannot turn what is wrong into right. In order to be considered truly free, countries must also have a deep love of liberty and an abiding respect for the rule of law.”

“There are significant differences between the American and European version of capitalism. The American traditiionally emphasizes the need for limited government, light regulations, low taxes and maximum labour-market flexibility. Its success has been shown above all in the ability to create new jobs, in which it is consistently more successful than Europe.”

“I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation.”

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 13, 2017, 02:09:19 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 13, 2017, 01:40:59 PM

I think he'd make an EXCELLENT Supreme Court Justice however I rather doubt he'd get Senate Confirmation after his little stunt back in 2013 to close down the government. He's one of the most unpopular Senators serving in the 114th Congress.

Sure they would. He would be out of their hair for good.

Quote from: shakespear on February 13, 2017, 01:40:59 PM

And I think our friend Popka is a little cavalier on how the law might dictate we handle sitting federal judges.

Of course I have been. ;D I think you have been a little too underwhelming
in your ideas and expectations of what could happen, while at the same
time being over critical in the "unforced errors" of Trump and the GOP.

The Democrats brazenly and tirelessly work to enact their nut-job agenda,
there is no reason that the GOP shouldn't do the same. The GOP can use
smash mouth tactics (to coin a football term) just like the Dems do and
guess what? it's been working.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on February 13, 2017, 02:32:47 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 12, 2017, 02:01:49 AM

I don't know why China was given most favored nation status in 2001 and allowed to take away our manufacturing base. Trump is on to that.

That was Richard Nixon in 1971 who was the first to do this. Why because the globalist were hard at work to get rid of the US influence.

The argument was made then because they would over through the communist government, live in peace with the USA and prove a huge market for US goods. For what it is worth, it did not make seem logical to me in 1971 neither.

Also there is no way anybody in the USA or Russia knows how many nuclear weapons the Chinese have. It is likely they have far more than anybody believes.

I am just wondering when the will pull out there old maps and do what they did in the South China Sea with Siberia. The Chinese have there own free trade group along much of the southern Russia border. It will be interest to see what happens to that in ten years.

To my surprise Trump has gone back to the one China policy. I would of like to see us not do that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 13, 2017, 02:49:39 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on February 13, 2017, 02:32:47 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 12, 2017, 02:01:49 AM
I don't know why China was given most favored nation status in 2001 and allowed to take away our manufacturing base. Trump is on to that.

That was Richard Nixon in 1971 who was the first to do this. Why because the globalist were hard at work to get rid of the US influence.

The argument was made then because they would over through the communist government, live in peace with the USA and prove a huge market for US goods. For what it is worth, it did not make seem logical to me in 1971 neither.

Also there is no way anybody in the USA or Russia knows how many nuclear weapons the Chinese have. It is likely they have far more than anybody believes.

I am just wondering when the will pull out there old maps and do what they did in the South China Sea with Siberia. The Chinese have there own free trade group along much of the southern Russia border. It will be interest to see what happens to that in ten years.

To my surprise Trump has gone back to the one China policy. I would of like to see us not do that.

Don't worry, Trump will change his mind on the one China policy next week. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 13, 2017, 02:52:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 13, 2017, 01:40:59 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 13, 2017, 01:19:35 PM
Actually, I think Ted Cruz should be put on the Court at the next opportunity. He's 46 and you know he's not going to go all wobbly like Brennan, Souter and, to some exent, Kennedy.

B/B

I think he'd make an EXCELLENT Supreme Court Justice however I rather doubt he'd get Senate Confirmation after his little stunt back in 2013 to close down the government. He's one of the most unpopular Senators serving in the 114th Congress.

My answer is same as Popka's. I think they would gladly confirm him in a heartbeat. Hopefully Ginsburg will retire soon.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 13, 2017, 04:04:25 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 13, 2017, 02:52:15 PM

My answer is same as Popka's. I think they would gladly confirm him in a heartbeat. Hopefully Ginsburg will retire soon.

Actually, I would rather see Kagan, Sotomayor, Breyer or Kennedy retire.
That old bat Ginsburg ain't going to live forever.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/IRrEgORc_xo/hqdefault.jpg)

The same person? sisters? who knows?
(http://www.gopusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/ruth_bader_ginsburg.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 13, 2017, 05:56:26 PM

Ginsburg is bat-sh*t crazy and she definitely overstepped her bounds during the election. If she dropped dead of a heart attack tomorrow it would surely be a blessing for our country. I see Sotomayer as the least qualified but doubt she will retire anytime soon. She was only hired to fill a PC quota.

Quota's have been a curse on this country for about 5 decades now. They need to go. Of course the left would go ballistic. First they claim minorities can do just as good a job as others. So then point out you're essentially saying they're inferior by making quota's. Their heads explode. :laugh:

https://twitter.com/nontolerantman/status/831159061831876610

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 13, 2017, 07:04:00 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4lgGF4WYAEC5gT.jpg:large)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 13, 2017, 09:14:30 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 13, 2017, 02:52:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 13, 2017, 01:40:59 PM
Quote from: B.B. on February 13, 2017, 01:19:35 PM
Actually, I think Ted Cruz should be put on the Court at the next opportunity. He's 46 and you know he's not going to go all wobbly like Brennan, Souter and, to some exent, Kennedy.

B/B

I think he'd make an EXCELLENT Supreme Court Justice however I rather doubt he'd get Senate Confirmation after his little stunt back in 2013 to close down the government. He's one of the most unpopular Senators serving in the 114th Congress.

My answer is same as Popka's. I think they would gladly confirm him in a heartbeat. Hopefully Ginsburg will retire soon.

I agree. The Senate would love to see him "promoted out of the unit" as it were.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 14, 2017, 12:43:21 AM

National Security Adviser Michael Flynn Resigns

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/773443?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1711405_02132017&s=al&dkt_nbr=c5vqumg7&section=Headline&keywords=michael-flynn-resigns-trump-russia&year=2017&month=02&date=13&id=773443&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 14, 2017, 01:33:45 PM

Secret Service director to step down, giving Trump chance to select his own security chief

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/02/14/secret-service-director-to-step-down-giving-trump-chance-to-select-his-own-security-chief/?utm_term=.61bb0dad12b7

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 14, 2017, 02:59:25 PM

For Ste. More stuff getting done to help the American economy thrive. Stock market values prove it.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/02/14/remarks-president-trump-signing-hj-resolution-41

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 15, 2017, 08:31:21 AM

Fox live stream covers leaks, re Flynn resignation, etc.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 15, 2017, 08:33:26 AM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170215/e14d5e2694404e3eb4826372af7ba37a.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 15, 2017, 08:36:59 AM

Ste, it is fun that you post stuff like this. I think it is great that you are willing to share stuff that you know to be untrue because you think it is still funny. tiphat :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 15, 2017, 08:45:14 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 15, 2017, 08:36:59 AM

Ste, it is fun that you post stuff like this. I think it is great that you are willing to share stuff that you know to be untrue because you think it is still funny. tiphat :thumbsup:

Well it's not gonna happen obvs, but someone has to balance Confederate's Ying with a bit of Yang.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 15, 2017, 11:50:41 AM

There are constant efforts to discredit Trump going on, as they did prior to the election, after the election but prior to the inauguration and now. What was just done by rogue US intel officers to Michael Flynn is a perfect example of what is really going on, for those like Andrew with a brain to read between the lines. Useful idiots not so much.

Those holdover intel officers are angry that their pipeline thru Syria got put on hold

https://twitter.com/i/moments/792935309285613568

due to the demise of Hillary, so they're flinging monkey poo at Trump and his team. What they just did is highly illegal and during wartime they would hang. It's a new world with enormous amounts of useful idiots bleating their lies in the media, Hollyweird and committing violence at Berkeley and elsewhere.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831842652085686273

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831853862281699331

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 15, 2017, 12:14:22 PM

Quote from: Ste on February 15, 2017, 08:45:14 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 15, 2017, 08:36:59 AM
Ste, it is fun that you post stuff like this. I think it is great that you are willing to share stuff that you know to be untrue because you think it is still funny. tiphat :thumbsup:

Well it's not gonna happen obvs, but someone has to balance Confederate's Ying with a bit of Yang.

While I do present a fair amount of political humor, I also present cold hard facts. You've yet to do that. :coffeeread:

(http://www.conservativedailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/List.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 15, 2017, 02:01:22 PM

Another viewpoint on the fall of Flynn.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/report-former-obama-officials-loyalists-waged-secret-campaign-oust-flynn-order-protect-iran-deal/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 15, 2017, 03:05:15 PM

https://twitter.com/conundrumstix/status/831983778935484418

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 15, 2017, 08:18:57 PM

Our worst ex President ever sets up a shadow government to challenge and harass President Trump. When Bush Jr. was finished he left town and stayed out of it. Not this treasonous jackass.

http://www.trunews.com/article/is-obama-forming-a-shadow-government-to-resist-trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 16, 2017, 08:21:43 AM

Anyone agree that Trump should bring Christie back into the mix?

Trump’s in trouble. Is it Christie time already?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-in-trouble-is-it-christie-time-already-100043322.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on February 16, 2017, 08:55:09 AM

Flynn

My opinion Flynn was wrong to hide his conversations with those in Russia.

My opinion the 'media' was wrong to present this information in or to the public.

The reality is what happened to Flynn could happen to any of us today's world.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 16, 2017, 11:16:14 AM

U.S. ALLIES CONDUCT INTELLIGENCE OPERATION AGAINST TRUMP STAFF AND ASSOCIATES, INTERCEPTED COMMUNICATIONS

http://www.newsweek.com/allies-intercept-russia-trump-adviser-communications-557283

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 16, 2017, 12:17:49 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on February 16, 2017, 08:55:09 AM

Flynn

My opinion Flynn was wrong to hide his conversations with those in Russia.

My opinion the 'media' was wrong to present this information in or to the public.

The liberal media (New York Times, CNN, MSNbc, etc) are the opposition. They're all "progressives" and they carry water for the Democratic party.

It was wrong for some rogue intel ppl to leak this stuff to the media. Obama holdovers in the NSA is who I suspect. The pipeline thru Syria they don't want to disclose but I believe they hated Flynn because he want to derail Obama's deal with Iran. All together rogue intel and "progressive" media are eager to cause Trump problems and discredit him. It's all smoke and mirrors.

http://www.vivaliberty.com/hit-job-how-us-intel-took-down-mike-flynn/

https://twitter.com/Flewbys/status/832309556390875136

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 16, 2017, 12:47:18 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38998362

"This administration is running like a fine-tuned machine," said Forest Trump...

"Follow up from the (racist, Zionist, Government-financed, left-wing biased) BBC: " Mr. President, was the implementation of the travel ban a good example of that?""

Vsyo idyot' po-planu lol!

This is hilarious!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 16, 2017, 01:15:15 PM

Quote from: Ste on February 16, 2017, 12:47:18 PM

"This administration is running like a fine-tuned machine," said Forest Trump...

I think you have a point that it has been pretty rough lately for Trump. He's catching it from the left and the right, the main street media and the intelligence community. Leaks and resignations. The way I see it is the establishment is besides itself that he is president and will do anything to disrupt him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 16, 2017, 01:23:25 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 16, 2017, 01:15:15 PM

Quote from: Ste on February 16, 2017, 12:47:18 PM

"This administration is running like a fine-tuned machine," said Forest Trump...

I think you have a point that it has been pretty rough lately for Trump. He's catching it from the left and the right, the main street media and the intelligence community. Leaks and resignations. The way I see it is the establishment is besides itself that he is president and will do anything to disrupt him.

I really don't think he responds well to any sort of criticism, that much is obvious, he has a paper-thin veneer over a fiery temperament, not a good combination in a World Leader.

In business he can rant and sack people willy-nilly, as Prez. he can try and do the same but that will just expose a weak link cleverer politicians than him will go for.

He's already cracking up IMHO.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 16, 2017, 02:08:32 PM

I seen him at his press conference today and he acted very calm. I think he is learning it doesn't pay to act like a jerk.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on February 16, 2017, 02:36:37 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 16, 2017, 02:08:32 PM

I seen him at his press conference today and he acted very calm. I think he is learning it doesn't pay to act like a jerk.

This is good if it's true. I'm enjoying knowing absolutely nothing about politics.

Я хочу Американо с молоком, пожалуйста)))

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on February 16, 2017, 02:56:06 PM

Quote from: Maxx on February 16, 2017, 02:08:32 PM

I seen him at his press conference today and he acted very calm. I think he is learning it doesn't pay to act like a jerk.

Yes, he was pretty restrained in his manner.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 17, 2017, 08:58:16 AM

The Great Draining Begins: Trump Purges State Department's 7th Floor 'Shadow Government

http://russia-insider.com/en/great-draining-begins-trump-purges-state-departments-7th-floor-shadow-government/ri18969

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 17, 2017, 08:17:14 PM

Even Obama's acting press secretary for DHS Gillian Christensen, said that
the story isn't true. The DHS still has many people in positions until they are
replaced by the new administration.

Homeland Security on AP’s National Guard: ‘Absolutely Incorrect’
An explosive report that Secretary Kelly wanted to use troops to “round up” undocumented immigrants gets serious pushback.

The Department of Homeland Security is roundly condemning an Associated Press story that broke Friday morning about considering the use of the National Guard to “round up” undocumented immigrants. The DHS says that isn’t true, and—contra the AP’s reporting—that DHS Secretary John Kelly didn’t write the draft memo.

“The Department is not considering mobilizing the National Guard,” said Gillian Christensen, the acting press secretary for DHS.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/17/homeland-security-on-ap-s-national-guard-absolutely-incorrect.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 18, 2017, 07:17:49 PM

Trump returns to campaign mode, rallying supporters, attacking foes, promising a greater America

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/18/trump-returns-to-campaign-rallying-attacking-familiar-foes-promising-greater-america.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 18, 2017, 07:31:22 PM

White House chief of staff says take Trump seriously when he calls press "the enemy

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-chief-of-staff-says-take-trump-seriously-press-is-the-enemy/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 20, 2017, 01:51:49 AM

30 days in and the wack job who the minority elected President of the USA is proving loonier than predicted.

I wouldn't begin to try to claim his was 'Calm' in his press conference - he reminded me of a despotic President in a Bond movie that you know will be deposed ..

Then we had his 'victory / campaign ' speech in on landing in Florida ... The guy makes stuff up as he goes along ( Sweden)

As McCain has said .. having a free press is part of what makes for an accountable governance.

Wake up, folks .. Can't you see he isn't wearing any clothes, yet ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 20, 2017, 08:15:22 PM

Trump Lawyer Confirms Meeting Ukrainian, Denies Carrying Peace Plan

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-lawyer-confirms-meeting-ukrainian-denies-carrying-peace-plan-n723386

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on February 20, 2017, 08:37:41 PM

I think Trump's peace plan is the Ukraine needs to join the Russian trading block because it is no value to Europe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 20, 2017, 10:23:00 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on February 20, 2017, 08:37:41 PM

I think Trump's peace plan is the Ukraine needs to join the Russian trading block because it is no value to Europe.

Russia don't need/want them, let the US and the EU continue to finance them.... :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 21, 2017, 09:37:06 AM

Over the weekend, Trump mentioned Sweden having problems with immigrants. The media and Sweden were in denial now today this.

https://www.rt.com/news/378071-stockholm-riots-police-shots/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on February 21, 2017, 11:39:57 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 20, 2017, 01:51:49 AM

30 days in and the wack job who the minority elected President of the USA is proving loonier than predicted.

I wouldn't begin to try to claim his was 'Calm' in his press conference - he reminded me of a despotic President in a Bond movie that you know will be deposed ..

Then we had his 'victory / campaign ' speech in on landing in Florida ... The guy makes stuff up as he goes along ( Sweden)

As McCain has said .. having a free press is part of what makes for an accountable governance.

Wake up, folks .. Can't you see he isn't wearing any clothes, yet ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 21, 2017, 12:30:11 PM

This is a big step in the right direction.

Homeland Security unveils sweeping plan to deport undocumented immigrants

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/02/21/donald-trump-homeland-security-issues-deportation-memos/98190192/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 21, 2017, 12:37:40 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 20, 2017, 01:51:49 AM

30 days in and the wack job who the minority elected President of the USA is proving loonier than predicted.

I wouldn't begin to try to claim his was 'Calm' in his press conference - he reminded me of a despotic President in a Bond movie that you know will be deposed ..

Then we had his 'victory / campaign ' speech in on landing in Florida ... The guy makes stuff up as he goes along ( Sweden)

As McCain has said .. having a free press is part of what makes for an accountable governance.

Wake up, folks .. Can't you see he isn't wearing any clothes, yet ?

Trump received 304 electoral votes to Hillary Clinton's 227 which is how we
'Mericunz elect our president and we don't allow citizens of other countries
in our process (although a few million still do). He will be the US president
for 4 years at the minimum. He is bound by an oath to the constitution to
enforce the law and that appears to me what he is doing.

Please don't take my next suggestion as an insult or provocation because
that is not my intent. My suggestion is to stop worrying about things that
you have no control over and spend that energy instead on things that you
can. I know I was distraught plenty of times about many of the things that
Obama did over the years, so it's far easier said than done, so I readily will
admit my own hypocrisy regarding my suggestion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 21, 2017, 01:50:11 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 20, 2017, 01:51:49 AM

30 days in and the wack job who the minority elected President of the USA is proving loonier than predicted.

Do you realize that Bill Clinton never received a majority of the votes in either of his elections?

And you realize that Hillary only got 48% of the votes cast in the election as well?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 21, 2017, 02:24:58 PM

Trump should release his tax returns. . . . . . . . . . .

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 21, 2017, 02:25:35 PM

Ivanka Trump’s Perfume Soars to No.1 Bestseller on Amazon Despite Boycotts

http://heatst.com/biz/ivanka-trumps-perfume-soars-to-no-1-bestseller-on-amazon-despite-boycotts/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on February 21, 2017, 02:28:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 21, 2017, 02:24:58 PM

Trump should release his tax returns. . . . . . . . . . .

The IRS audit is finished?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 21, 2017, 02:31:39 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 21, 2017, 02:24:58 PM

Trump should release his tax returns. . . . . . . . . . .

If he hadn't promised that he would I would disagree. BUT if he does,
he should refuse to ever do it again and take that silly tradition off the
table for good.

Quote from: yankee on February 21, 2017, 02:28:16 PM

The IRS audit is finished?

What I would do if I was him would be to release his 2017 tax return
(in April of 2018)with the understanding that he would never do it again.
I can pretty much guarantee that his return won't be audited in 2017

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 21, 2017, 02:34:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 21, 2017, 01:50:11 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 20, 2017, 01:51:49 AM
30 days in and the wack job who the minority elected President of the USA is proving loonier than predicted.

Do you realize that Bill Clinton never received a majority of the votes in either of his elections?

And you realize that Hillary only got 48% of the votes cast in the election as well?

Good point,

Bill Clinton won 43.01% of the popular vote in 1992
Donald Trump won 45.98% of the popular vote in 2016
Abraham Lincoln won 39.65% of the popular vote in 1860

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 21, 2017, 03:37:02 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 21, 2017, 12:37:40 PM

He will be the US president for 4 years at the minimum. He is bound by an oath to the constitution to
enforce the law and that appears to me what he is doing.

And if they apply the law - they get fired and replaced by the guy who wanted Judges who would uphold the law over a President who doesn't ...

Quote from: Popka! on February 21, 2017, 12:37:40 PM

Please don't take my next suggestion as an insult or provocation because
that is not my intent. My suggestion is to stop worrying about things that
you have no control over and spend that energy instead on things that you
can. I know I was distraught plenty of times about many of the things that
Obama did over the years, so it's far easier said than done, so I readily will
admit my own hypocrisy regarding my suggestion.

:)) How many posts did the Obama thread get ... ?

What non 'Muricans can do is made him feel 'welcome' ... when he visits .. A State visit - is rarely extended ( should NEVER have been extended to 'Tramp' ) and NEVER to a President so newly in office ... but that's how 'Billy no mates' the UK is, currently.

I'm well aware of the EC system - we have a system of voting in MOST of the UK - not N.Ireland - that allows govt to be formed with less than fifty and closer to 40 percent of votes to rule with an overall majority .. It's time to re-evaluate our respective voting systems when losers 'win'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 21, 2017, 03:51:00 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 21, 2017, 01:50:11 PM

Do you realize that Bill Clinton never received a majority of the votes in either of his elections?

'Winning' with less popular votes than the nearest rival has only happened FIVE times - and NEVER to Clinton - Bush 'beat' Gore in 2000 with 543,895 less votes and Trump 'won' with nearly 3 million less votes ....

Clinton beat Bush Snr in 1992 by nearly 6 million votes and Dole by c. 8 million in '96

That's what happens when you have multiple candidates ...

Quote from: shakespear on February 21, 2017, 01:50:11 PM

And you realize that Hillary only got 48% of the votes cast in the election as well?

1.1 percent more than her opponent ....

As 'Tramp' tweeted in Nov 2012 - the current EC system is undemocratic ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 21, 2017, 08:02:59 PM

Alveda King: People Believe Trump’s a Racist Because of ‘Fake News’

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/alveda-king-people-believe-trumps-a-racist-because-of-fake-news/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on February 22, 2017, 02:40:56 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 21, 2017, 03:37:02 PM

I'm well aware of the EC system - we have a system of voting in MOST of the UK - not N.Ireland - that allows govt to be formed with less than fifty and closer to 40 percent of votes to rule with an overall majority .. It's time to re-evaluate our respective voting systems when losers 'win'

Isn't it interesting how a certain group of people don't like the democratic system, when they don't get what they want?

Where was the outrage when you got the candidate you voted for? :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 22, 2017, 11:36:06 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 21, 2017, 03:37:02 PM

And if they apply the law - they get fired and replaced by the guy who wanted Judges who would uphold the law over a President who doesn't ...

I'm not sure I understand what you said there. You are saying that the liberal
nutjob judges in the 9th circuit court of appeals are following the law while
Trump isn't? This is a court that when the Supreme court reviews their cases
they get overturned 80% of the time.

The law is clear that The president can do pretty much what he wants with
immigration. The court made put a stay on his executive order, they didn't
make a determination on the order or the law itself.

Quote from: msmoby on February 21, 2017, 03:37:02 PM

What non 'Muricans can do is made him feel 'welcome' ... when he visits .. A State visit - is rarely extended ( should NEVER have been extended to 'Tramp' ) and NEVER to a President so newly in office ... but that's how 'Billy no mates' the UK is, currently.

You advise holding your breath and turning purple and making witty protest signs?
Maybe not allowing him to have crumpets with your Queen?

A state visit was offered and accepted. You seem to be for changing things after
the decision has been made. Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe got a state
visit. Did you oppose that?

I have no clue to what the bolded by me phrase in your statement means.

Quote from: msmoby on February 21, 2017, 03:37:02 PM

It's time to re-evaluate our respective voting systems when losers 'win'

The USA is a constitutional republic of states. There are more small states
than big states and each state gets one vote when voting to change the
constitution. It's not in the small states interest to change our system.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on February 22, 2017, 12:13:08 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 22, 2017, 11:36:06 AM

The USA is a constitutional republic of states. There are more small states
than big states and each state gets one vote when voting to change the
constitution. It's not in the small states interest to change our system.

And why would anyone want that either? It means that a single large state/city/county could essential elect a politician who represents their interests to the detriment of a whole country. Being Scottish, this system has had a profound effect on my political landscape but I also respect the larger picture.

Sadly your just debating a topic with a bitter loser, who's seeing the whole political landscape change in front of his very eyes. It's normal to suggest this change is all bad because people don't like change - least of all the idiots who only accept democracy when it suits their politics. These silly little petitions, protests and hysterics carried out by ill informed, emotionally unstable groups are extremely worrying.

Give them an inch and we'll be setting a dangerous precedent. Suggesting it needs stamped out early doors leads to suggestions of fascism but the irony is lost on the true fascists.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 22, 2017, 01:19:44 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 22, 2017, 11:36:06 AM

The USA is a constitutional republic of states. There are more small states
than big states and each state gets one vote when voting to change the
constitution. It's not in the small states interest to change our system.

Actually, that's not exactly right.

The Constitution can be changed in two manners:

1) The amendment can be made in either House, but must be approved by 2/3 majority in BOTH Houses, then must be ratified by the state legislature in 3/4 of the states within a 10 year period

or

2) The Constitution can be amended at a Constitutional Convention called by the state legislatures of 2/3 of the states.

There has never been a Constitutional Amendment from 2)

Both processes were created with the purpose of protecting the majority for the minority.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 22, 2017, 01:24:43 PM

Quote from: rosco on February 22, 2017, 12:13:08 PM

And why would anyone want that either? It means that a single large state/city/county could essential elect a politician who represents their interests to the detriment of a whole country.

That is EXACTLY why our Electoral College exists. The southern states did not want New York City, Boston and Philadelphia raming their political candidates through in a national election process.

The Electoral College protects the interest of the smaller states. Other wise people would just campaign in California, New York, Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Texas.

Hillary Clinton was definitely elected President of California ;D

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 22, 2017, 01:32:31 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 22, 2017, 01:19:44 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 22, 2017, 11:36:06 AM
The USA is a constitutional republic of states. There are more small states
than big states and each state gets one vote when voting to change the
constitution. It's not in the small states interest to change our system.

Actually, that's not exactly right.

The Constitution can be changed in two manners:

1) The amendment can be made in either House, but must be approved by 2/3 majority in BOTH Houses, then must be ratified by the state legislature in 3/4 of the states within a 10 year period

or

2) The Constitution can be amended at a Constitutional Convention called by the state legislatures of 2/3 of the states.

In both cases the states only get one vote, either in the convention mode
or that legislature mode . Wyoming or Nebraska gets the same vote as
California or New York. The convention of states has never been tried before.

Mark Levin wrote about it in his book Liberty Amendments.
https://www.amazon.com/Liberty-Amendments-Mark-R-Levin/dp/145160632X
You can buy a used copy for as low as $2.99 plus shipping.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 22, 2017, 02:21:38 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 22, 2017, 01:32:31 PM

Mark Levin wrote about it in his book Liberty Amendments.
https://www.amazon.com/Liberty-Amendments-Mark-R-Levin/dp/145160632X
You can buy a used copy for as low as $2.99 plus shipping.

Thanks.

I have autographed copies of all of Mr. Levin's books.

My favorite is "Men In Black". Fantastic reading on why our court system is so screwed up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 23, 2017, 09:46:41 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 22, 2017, 11:36:06 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 21, 2017, 03:37:02 PM

And if they apply the law - they get fired and replaced by the guy who wanted Judges who would uphold the law over a President who doesn't ...

I'm not sure I understand what you said there. You are saying that the liberal
nutjob judges in the 9th circuit court of appeals are following the law while
Trump isn't? This is a court that when the Supreme court reviews their cases
they get overturned 80% of the time.

The law is clear that The president can do pretty much what he wants with
immigration. The court made put a stay on his executive order, they didn't
make a determination on the order or the law itself.

I believe the 9th Circuit Court has been overturned 86 percent of the time. You were close.

I posted up thread a great article on why their decision about this immigration order was flawed.

And you are correct; it is the President's decision to make. It is his lawful right to do what he can to protect the citizens of our nation against dangerous types of wanna be ~~immigrants~~ terrorists.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 24, 2017, 02:28:24 PM

Video of highlights of Trump's CPAC speech. CNN and a couple other outlets were blocked from attending the press junction for this event. :laugh:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/analysis-fact-checking-president-trump%E2%80%99s-cpac-speech/ar-AAnk75O?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 24, 2017, 02:37:32 PM

Media hacks who were blocked from the presser today whine about it. :biggrin:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/media-slams-limited-wh-press-access/ar-AAnksZB?li=BBnb7Kz

and why were they blocked? here's a CNN editor who says the "best slaves are the ones who think they are free."

https://twitter.com/correctthemedia/status/835131063705944064

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 24, 2017, 03:37:38 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5dmZm4U8AAICdC.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 24, 2017, 03:50:28 PM

Quote from: rosco on February 22, 2017, 02:40:56 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 21, 2017, 03:37:02 PM
I'm well aware of the EC system - we have a system of voting in MOST of the UK - not N.Ireland - that allows govt to be formed with less than fifty and closer to 40 percent of votes to rule with an overall majority .. It's time to re-evaluate our respective voting systems when losers 'win'

Isn't it interesting how a certain group of people don't like the democratic system, when they don't get what they want?

Where was the outrage when you got the candidate you voted for? :coffeeread:

Haters are going to hate but we got the last laugh.

https://twitter.com/ANTlMEMES/status/834050083813470208

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 24, 2017, 05:07:39 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 24, 2017, 02:28:24 PM

Video of highlights of Trump's CPAC speech. CNN and a couple other outlets were blocked from attending the press junction for this event. :laugh:

That was a really stupid move.

Trump really has to learn how to use a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer to make his points.

Even Fox News criticized Trump for this omission.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 24, 2017, 06:11:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 24, 2017, 05:07:39 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 24, 2017, 02:28:24 PM
Video of highlights of Trump's CPAC speech. CNN and a couple other outlets were blocked from attending the press junction for this event. :laugh:

That was a really stupid move.

Trump really has to learn how to use a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer to make his points.

Even Fox News criticized Trump for this omission.

I think that you're one of those who still doesn't fully understand why Trump won. When a CNN editor says the following, they should be excluded, at least once. "The best slaves are the ones who think they are free."

https://twitter.com/correctthemedia/status/835131063705944064

And don't forget that Obama had an ongoing war with Fox. Liberals loved him for it, just like Trump supporters love Trump for standing up to CNN.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 24, 2017, 07:51:04 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 24, 2017, 06:11:38 PM

And don't forget that Obama had an ongoing war with Fox. Liberals loved him for it, just like Trump supporters love Trump for standing up to CNN.

+1

Trump is using Democrat tactics against them.
I could post 100 articles where the Dem's refused to go on Fox,
usually at the last minute to create more chaos.

Clinton, Obama to Skip Fox-Sponsored Debate
Tuesday, April 10, 2007
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/09/AR2007040901115.html

Clinton declines Fox News invitation to proposed Dem debate
Published May 24, 2016
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/24/clinton-declines-fox-news-invitation-to-proposed-dem-debate.html

Obama slams Fox News
June 16, 2009
http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0609/Obama_slams_Fox_News.html

Obama Blames Dem Losses on 'Fox News in Every Bar and Restaurant'
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/11/30/obama-blames-fox-news-dems-election-defeat

Obama Calls Fox News "Destructive",
October 14, 2010, Rolling Stone Magazine
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/obama-in-command-br-the-rolling-stone-interview-20100928

Obama Blames Fox For Benghazi and IRS Scandals, February 2, 2014, Interview With Bill O'Reilly
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/02/transcript-bill-oreilly-interviews-president-obama.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 24, 2017, 10:46:37 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 21, 2017, 03:51:00 PM

1.1 percent more than her opponent ....

The problem with hypotheticals is the "all things being equal" part. For example, to declare HRC the 'winner' because of the popular vote not only ignores the Electoral College, but also assumes that Trump would have run the same style of campaign, i.e. ignoring blue states he had no chance of winning.

One would have to assume that Trump would have run the same style of campaign, rather than focusing his efforts based on the dictates of the electoral college.

Further, one would have to assume that the numbers of the voting public would have to stay the same, and that GOP voters in large states like California and New York and Illinois would have stayed home when their votes actually counted for something, overall. I note that the same could be said for Democratic voters in Red States, but of the five most populous states, three are reliably deep blue, Texas is Red and Florida is purple. So the likelihood would seem to be that more GOP voters would turn up - and the GOP is traditionally better at getting the vote out.

Finally, another way of looking at it is that Trump won 31+ "popular votes" (the distribution by congressional district in Maine and Nebraska skew the numbers a bit).

So all this gibberish about how HRC "really" won is simply that, gibberish.

Quote from: shakespear on February 24, 2017, 05:07:39 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 24, 2017, 02:28:24 PM
Video of highlights of Trump's CPAC speech. CNN and a couple other outlets were blocked from attending the press junction for this event. :laugh:

That was a really stupid move.

Trump really has to learn how to use a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer to make his points.

Meh. Let's review: Trump hates the legacy media, and they hate him. Spicer had a pool event (not a briefing) and he didn't invite a few of the cool kids -- the commies at CNN, the failing, Mexican-owned NYT, the irredentists at LAT and the asshats at WaPo...so basically Hillary's base -- on purpose. They're not used to ... wait for it ... having their "privilege" checked, and they're squealing about it, Facebook is triggered, and Twitter is (I assume) in flames.

The elite media look like idiots, the base LOVES it, and Trump and Bannon are having a big laugh over Spicer's prank, while they're having a brandy and plotting which liberal sacred cow to poke with a sharp, pointy stick next.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 25, 2017, 09:54:40 AM

Dennis Kucinich on the treason committed by rogue US intel officials in an effort to undermine President Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 25, 2017, 11:26:15 AM

Shakespeare and someone else said the wall would never be built. Bids are now being sought to build the wall.

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=b8e1b2a6876519ca0aedd748e1e491cf&tab=core&_cview=0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 25, 2017, 11:46:00 AM

Quote from: B.B. on February 24, 2017, 10:46:37 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 24, 2017, 05:07:39 PM
Quote from: Confederate on February 24, 2017, 02:28:24 PM
Video of highlights of Trump's CPAC speech. CNN and a couple other outlets were blocked from attending the press junction for this event. :laugh:

That was a really stupid move.

Trump really has to learn how to use a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer to make his points.

Meh. Let's review: Trump hates the legacy media, and they hate him. Spicer had a pool event (not a briefing) and he didn't invite a few of the cool kids -- the commies at CNN, the failing, Mexican-owned NYT, the irredentists at LAT and the asshats at WaPo...so basically Hillary's base -- on purpose. They're not used to ... wait for it ... having their "privilege" checked, and they're squealing about it, Facebook is triggered, and Twitter is (I assume) in flames.

The elite media look like idiots, the base LOVES it, and Trump and Bannon are having a big laugh over Spicer's prank, while they're having a brandy and plotting which liberal sacred cow to poke with a sharp, pointy stick next.

B/B

tiphat

I don't recall freedom of the press guaranteeing any certain news organization access to a Presidential event and Spicer and Trump have put the holy cows on notice. As you said Trump's base LOVES it. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 25, 2017, 11:49:44 AM

This former CIA man states that Trump can shut down the NSA if he wants to, and that he should. He also states that 80 percent of Intel are good guys but the other 20 percent are bad apples.

http://prepareforchange.net/2017/02/18/former-cia-case-officer-robert-david-steele-a-message-to-donald-trump/

A little more than 14 minutes in to it he puts CNN propaganda in a military burn bucket. About 14:40 into it he talks about CIA control of journalism (google mockingbird if you're not familiar).

Title: Re: President Trump and US debt
Post by: Texan77 on February 25, 2017, 05:09:43 PM

Trump's tweets about US Debt.

Donald J. Trump
✔ ‎@realDonaldTrump

The media has not reported that the National Debt in my first month went down by $12 billion vs a $200 billion increase in Obama first mo.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 25, 2017, 09:04:19 PM

Quote from: rosco on February 22, 2017, 02:40:56 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 21, 2017, 03:37:02 PM
I'm well aware of the EC system - we have a system of voting in MOST of the UK - not N.Ireland - that allows govt to be formed with less than fifty and closer to 40 percent of votes to rule with an overall majority .. It's time to re-evaluate our respective voting systems when losers 'win'

Isn't it interesting how a certain group of people don't like the democratic system, when they don't get what they want?

Where was the outrage when you got the candidate you voted for? :coffeeread:

This has been discussed ad nauseam and the usual suspect continues to whine his allegation that Clinton won a larger share of the popular vote. Both CA and NY are high population areas and we are NOT the United States of CA and NY, we are the United States of America. Thankfully our founding fathers set up a genius system to make sure that states with lower populations were properly represented.

As an example of the popular vote alone Barack Obama was elected with 26% of the overall population back in 2008: while Trump was elected with 27% and the reason is he got more people to vote.

Hillary stole 13 states from Bernie Sanders using electronic election fraud but nobody talks about it. The alleged Russian hacking was not Russian at all, it was Obama's DHS (department of Homeland security) which attempted to break into many states electronic voting systems on behalf of Hillary but by then they were prepared due to her theft of 13 states from Bernie.

According to Time magazine, a mainstream "legacy" media source (as B/B calls the main media outlets) Trump won over 2,600 counties to 490 counties for Clinton. That is a pretty good ass kicking but the left doesn't want to deal with reality.
They prefer the lies spread by former CIA director John Brennan.

http://time.com/4587866/donald-trump-election-map/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 25, 2017, 09:14:21 PM

To put things in perspective Trump won a larger number of counties since popular President Ronald Reagan. Reagan did not have to deal with rogue US intelligence agencies making bogus allegations of Russian interference. People need to understand those who are making those allegations want war with Russia and their motivation is profit. Pretty sad.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/dec/04/mike-pence/mike-pence-says-donald-trump-won-most-counties-rep/

Trump receives credit from electoral specialists for expanding the Republican footprint, notably in places that had previously backed Barack Obama. According to a calculation by Time magazine, Trump won 220 counties that had voted for Obama in 2012, while Hillary Clinton took far fewer -- 17 -- that had gone for Mitt Romney, the 2012 GOP nominee.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 26, 2017, 10:06:11 AM

Quote from: Confederate on February 25, 2017, 11:46:00 AM

I don't recall freedom of the press guaranteeing any certain news organization access to a Presidential event and Spicer and Trump have put the holy cows on notice. As you said Trump's base LOVES it. :laugh:

You're reasonable enough to understand that CONFIRMED ANONYMOUS SOURCES are critical channels of information that are needed for a free press to fulfill their 4th Estate responsibilities. President Trump calling for a prohibition against journalists using anonymous sources in news reporting is overly simplistic and reveals his naive and childlike political sophistication.

However he has a very valid criticism concerning the willingness of the press to use ANONYMOUS QUOTES to try to defame and attack him. Anonymous quotes have no place in credible journalism.

There is a difference between the two.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 26, 2017, 10:25:05 AM

Even if Trump does not necessarily need support from the liberal democratic side to fulfill campaign promises, and the more conservative agenda, it's time Trump takes his position as president to bring both sides together.
Trump is continue to face criticism every step of the way, until he offers the democrats some kind of legislation they can get behind.
Trump promised almost a trillion dollars investment in infrastructure, this is something that will bring in democratic support. Jobs also need to be more of a priority than has been given in these first weeks in office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 26, 2017, 12:13:15 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 26, 2017, 10:25:05 AM

Trump is continue to face criticism every step of the way, until he offers the democrats some kind of legislation they can get behind.
Trump promised almost a trillion dollars investment in infrastructure, this is something that will bring in democratic support. Jobs also need to be more of a priority than has been given in these first weeks in office.

I agree for the most part. He needs to at least publicly ATTEMPT to build some consensus.

I think when the continuing resolution on government spending comes around in the next few weeks, we're going to see some real fireworks coming from obstructionist Democrats and Tea Party Republicans.

I predict it will be the first REAL crisis of the Trump administration. I'm hopeful but not optimistic that he'll be able to handle it with the tact, maturity and diplomacy needed to resolve the issue.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 26, 2017, 01:11:35 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2017, 10:06:11 AM

You're reasonable enough to understand that CONFIRMED ANONYMOUS SOURCES are critical channels of information that are needed for a free press to fulfill their 4th Estate responsibilities. President Trump calling for a prohibition against journalists using anonymous sources in news reporting is overly simplistic and reveals his naive and childlike political sophistication.

However he has a very valid criticism concerning the willingness of the press to use ANONYMOUS QUOTES to try to defame and attack him. Anonymous quotes have no place in credible journalism.

There is a difference between the two.

Yes, confirmed anonymous sources are genuine journalistic tools. However,
they have been reporting on some very dubious stories. The pee-pee story?
The whole Russians hacked the election story?

Liberal news organizations have been twisting stories forever, but since
Trump's election win they've abandoned any sense of objectivity, chosen
sides, and determined that Trump must be destroyed and the facts don't
matter.

The problem with some of the stories that they've run with is that it takes
place in the middle of a highly politicized environment during which the
motives of all the relevant "anonymous sources" are tenuous at best. They
have no evidence corroborating these sources and nothing adds up. Yet
they report these stories as indisputable fact.

That's what's happening and the George W Bush type weak-kneed
non-response isn't working anymore in this 24/7 hostile environment.

Anonymous quotes can be used only in a analogy type of way to explain a
story, but as you've said they shouldn't be used as a source in a story.

"Applying computer technology is simply finding the right wrench to pound
in the correct screw." Anonymous quote

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 26, 2017, 01:47:51 PM

I've often thought that a good percentage of Clinton voters were dumb.
I would have estimated a third. I underestimated them.

Half of Clinton voters believe that the Russians
hacked the election and affected the vote tallies!

(https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2016-12-27/kathy3.png)

read about it here
https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/12/27/belief-conspiracies-largely-depends-political-iden/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 26, 2017, 05:54:12 PM

Clinton was her own worst enemy. You won't hear Democrats admitting to the truth, it's so much easier to attempt to blame external sources.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/bernie-sanders-us-election-president-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-democrats-primary-results-a7408451.html

more.

http://usuncut.com/politics/superdelegates-robbed-voters-primary/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 26, 2017, 06:04:03 PM

Cyber attacks? They did occur, but they were not from Russia. They were from Obama via his DHS. And they failed.

http://louderwithcrowder.com/state-cyber-attacks-homeland-security/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 28, 2017, 08:57:38 AM

Trump critic John McCain is getting some media coverage of his own. :chuckle:

Best Friends Forever: John McCain ‘Accused of Accepting Improper Donations From Rothschilds’

http://russia-insider.com/en/best-friends-forever-john-mccain-accused-accepting-improper-donations-rothschilds/ri19059

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 28, 2017, 09:15:22 AM

WAYNE MADSEN | 24.02.2017 | OPINION

The Three Trump Administrations

Foreign and national defense ministries around the world, as well as embassies in Washington, DC, are struggling to ascertain who is actually in charge of the U.S. government one month after Donald Trump was sworn in as president of the United States. It is a fair question, considering the conflicting statements issuing forth from the White House, State Department, and the Pentagon.

Suffice to say, there are, essentially, three Trump administrations, all with varying degrees of power.

The first administration and the most visibly powerful is Trump’s inner circle. At the present time, this consists of Trump, chief strategist Stephen Bannon, Trump daughter Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner, special assistant to the president Stephen Miller, and Attorney General Jeff Sessions. Although Bannon came to Trump from the presidential campaign of Senator Ted Cruz, the former Breitbart News publisher has become a virtual «Svengali», influencing Trump on foreign and domestic policies.

The second administration represents the establishment Republicans who endorsed Trump after he secured the Republican presidential nomination. This circle includes White House chief of staff Reince Priebus, the former Republican National Committee chairman, and Sean Spicer, Trump’s press secretary who had the same job at the Republican National Committee under Priebus. Trump’s counselor and former presidential campaign manager Kellyanne Conway, who, like Bannon, came from the Cruz campaign, funds herself often on the outside of the Trump inner circle and more in the company of establishment Republicans Priebus and Spicer. Priebus and Conway, and, to a lesser extent, Spicer, are the eyes and ears of congressional Republicans like Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Speaker of the House of Representatives Paul Ryan in the White House.

The third administration represents the longtime «deep state» interests and is a combination of George W. Bush/Ronald Reagan administration neoconservative activists and powerful Wall Street and Houston/Dallas oil business moguls traditionally linked to Republican politics. While the neocons and business interests do not agree on much, they are taking advantage of the disorganization of the Trump administration to secure their own power centers. Recently, officials of this «third» administration were seen vying for influence and stature at the 2017 Munich Security Conference.

It is clear that the third Trump administration is the one that hopes to take the reins of power if either Trump is forced out of the presidency as a result of impeachment and conviction or ill-health. Representing the international status quo, the third Trump administration, represented chiefly by Vice President Mike Pence and Defense Secretary James Mattis, was very active in promoting NATO, the European Union, and continued sanctions on Russia at Munich. The statements by Pence and Mattis ran counter to the opinions previously aired by Trump. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, opting not to attend the Munich conference, attended a G20 foreign ministers’ summit in Bonn held before the gathering in Munich. This leg of the Trump triad is the one with which the global elites feel most comfortable.

Tillerson, a Texas native and friend of the Bush family and former Secretary of State James Baker, showed that the neocons continue to have clout inside the Trump administration when he dared propose Elliott Abrams, an Iran-contra felon from the Reagan administration, to be his deputy Secretary of State. Abrams’s campaign rhetoric, in which he criticized Trump, resulted in the president vetoing Abrams for the State Department’s number two position. But that did not stop another arch-neocon, the never-confirmed former U.S. ambassador to the UN John Bolton, from being considered for number two at State and, more recently, as Trump’s national security adviser.

Tillerson’s ambassador to the United Nations, former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley, has publicly condemned Russia over the Ukraine situation, even though Trump has indicated he wants a rapprochement with Russia. The third Trump administration is full of similar contradictions, with paleo-conservatives like Tillerson willing to hire on neocons like Abrams. Other deep state players within this third leg of the Trump triad include Central Intelligence Agency director Mike Pompeo, who wasted no time traveling to Turkey and Saudi Arabia to pay homage to the vested political interests of both nations, and Director of National Intelligence director-designate, former Senator Dan Coats of Indiana, a longtime friend of Pence.

Former national security adviser Michael Flynn, the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency and a retired three-star general, was never a member of the Trump inner circle. In fact, Flynn was closer to the neocons worming their way into the Trump administration. Flynn was the co-author of the book titled «The Field of Flight: How We Can Win the Global War Against Radical Islam and Its Allies», with one of the most dangerous neocons around, Michael Ledeen, an Iran-contra co-conspirator of Abrams and another neocon vying for influence in the Trump White House, Frank Gaffney.

Ensconced with Pence and Mattis in Munich were the two most hawkish Republican senators who would have Trump adopt even more drastic sanctions against Russia: Senators John McCain, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and fellow committee member Lindsey Graham. McCain used Munich to not only bash Russia but also Trump, while his close friend Graham promised that 2017 would be «the year of kicking Russia in the ass.» The mere fact that McCain and Graham were permitted to represent at Munich a hawkish policy at loggerheads with that of Trump, while Pence remained silent and Mattis championed America’s commitments to NATO and the EU, shows the world that the United States government now speaks through different voices. Joining McCain and Graham to reinforce U.S. defense and financial commitments was Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman Bob Corker and former NATO commander and proposed Trump national security adviser General David Petraeus, previously disgraced by a sex scandal.

Munich provided the third Trump administration with a platform from which to reinforce the «world order» that Trump campaigned against. Governments that had donated handsomely to the Clinton Foundation and made no secret of their abhorrence of Trump as a candidate, were on hand in Munich to warmly embrace Pence and Mattis. Among those in attendance were Saudi Arabia’s wily anti-Iranian foreign minister and former ambassador in Washington Adel bin Ahmed al-Jubeir, Saudi Arabia’s more slyer former intelligence chief Prince Turki al-Faisal bin Abdulaziz, Qatari foreign minister Shaikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman al-Thani and defense minister Khalid bin Mohammed al-Attiyah, Bahraini foreign minister Shaikh Khalid bin Ahmed bin Mohammed al-Khalifa, Kuwaiti deputy prime minister Shaikh Khaled al Jarrah al-Sabah, and Moroccan royal cabinet minister Youssef Amrani and the Moroccan king’s counselor André Azoulay. Undoubtedly, these Arab potentates will soon bestow their largesse upon members and corporate contrivances of the Trump family.

Pence and Mattis also rubbed shoulders at Munich with such influential anti-Trump personages as Bono, the U-2 rock band celebrity; former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright; former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff; Ohio Governor John Kasich; former Defense Secretary William Cohen; Microsoft founder Bill Gates; Woodrow Wilson Center director Jane Harman; Robert Kagan of the Brookings Institution and his wife and chief architect of the 2014 Ukrainian Coup Victoria Nuland; former Senator Joseph Lieberman; International Rescue Committee director David Miliband; Nebraska Republican Senator Ben Sasse; ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee Adam Schiff; and Frank Wisner, Jr., a longtime U.S. diplomat with deep state ties and the son of Frank Wisner, Sr., the CIA’s original crafter of «fake news», CIA propaganda disguised as actual news.

And if Trump’s avid anti-globalist supporters believe that their president is «draining the swamp» of their bitterest of foes, they might be surprised that Pence and Mattis were in the company in Munich of Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, Trilateral Commission deputy chairman Michael Fuchs, and global political troublemaker George Soros.

The third Trump administration of Pence, Mattis, and Tillerson signaled the world that the actual Trump administration, the one representing America’s «deep state», will continue to run the U.S. government. This is the part of the Trump administration that will continue to conspire with the world’s elite at places like Bilderberg, Davos, Bohemian Grove, Cernobbio, APEC, and G-7. Trump has not «drained the swamp» as he promised. He has merely joined the reptiles already in it. In fact, Eric and Donald Trump Jr., who now head up the Trump Organization, recently opened a luxurious Trump golf course in Dubai. That set the ground for a very amiable meeting at the G20 meeting in Bonn between Tillerson and his counterpart from the United Arab Emirates. The French have a saying for Trump’s «revolution» – «plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose» or «the more things change, the more they stay the same».

Copyright © 2017 Strategic Culture Foundation | Republishing is welcomed with reference to Strategic Culture on-line journal www.strategic-culture.org. Views of the authors do not necessarily reflect one's of the SCF Editorial

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 28, 2017, 09:59:32 AM

Forest Trump showing all the signs of Marvin the Paranoid Android in melt-down, it's always somebody else fault...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39113446

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 28, 2017, 10:45:27 AM

Quote from: Ste on February 28, 2017, 09:59:32 AM

Forest Trump showing all the signs of Marvin the Paranoid Android in melt-down, it's always somebody else fault...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39113446

In this case he is correct. Those are paid professional agitators. No President ever has had so many former wanna be's attempting to derail his efforts.

If you are smart enough to know that the USA allowed ISIS, or even caused it, then you should be smart enough to figure out why the same kind of DC insiders are giving Trump grief.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 28, 2017, 11:44:12 AM

Trump: No plans to fill 'unnecessary' appointed positions

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/28/trump-no-plans-to-fill-unnecessary-appointed-positions.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 28, 2017, 12:41:26 PM

Most Say Democrats Hurt Themselves With Anti-Trump Strategy

read about it here
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/february_2017/most_say_democrats_hurt_themselves_with_anti_trump_strategy

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 28, 2017, 12:43:49 PM

CNN host stuns former AG with Trump ‘treason’ conspiracy theories

(https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/2qiE0VszhHUliNjoRLkaT4UBXUw=/0x0:640x427/1310x873/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/35678708/foil.0.png)

CNN host Erin Burnett has a charge in search of a crime.

During a segment with former Attorney General Michael Mukasey on Monday night, Burnett repeatedly pressed him to say Trump’s rumored campaign talks with the Russians were illegal, going so far as to speculate the accusations amounted to “treason.”

Mukasey, who swatted down Burnett’s conspiracy theories by citing the law, was left in a position where he could only be stunned by her words.

read the entire story here
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/cnn-host-pushes-trump-treason-conspiracy-theories/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 28, 2017, 12:44:21 PM

Democrat members of Congress are bringing illegal aliens as guests to attend to President Trump's speech tonight as a form of protest. They should be applauded for bringing so many lawbreakers together in one place - making ICE's round-up job much easier.

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 28, 2017, 01:17:04 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 28, 2017, 12:44:21 PM

Democrat members of Congress are bringing illegal aliens as guests to attend to President Trump's speech tonight as a form of protest. They should be applauded for bringing so many lawbreakers together in one place - making ICE's round-up job much easier.

:ROFL:

I would have the US Marshals office simply pick up the illegal and deport them.
Then put the Congressperson in jail overnight until they can arrange bail.

Three crimes describe someone charged as an “accomplice” to a crime
committed by another, who is usually called the “principle.” A person
charged with aiding, abetting, or as an accessory is accused of providing
assistance to the principle before or after the commission of a crime .

The president is the chief law enforcement officer in the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 28, 2017, 01:24:59 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 28, 2017, 01:17:04 PM

The president is the chief law enforcement officer in the USA.

That would be hilarious if he actually did that.

I don't think even President Trump has balls that big - but it would certainly be a Trumpesque move.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 28, 2017, 02:19:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 28, 2017, 01:24:59 PM

Quote from: Popka! on February 28, 2017, 01:17:04 PM
The president is the chief law enforcement officer in the USA.

That would be hilarious if he actually did that.

I don't think even President Trump has balls that big - but it would certainly be a Trumpesque move.

If Trump had them rounded up and deported his base would love him for it! This guy here named Carlos Silva who thought he was above the law was deported 02/26/2017.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5sIzXbUoAI47Lq.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 28, 2017, 06:32:20 PM

In about 30 minutes President Trump will be speaking before Congress. There is a rumor, which I hope is not true, that he might compromise on immigration. There are live stream links to be found on youtube if anyone overseas would like to hear his speech.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-idUSKBN167174

edit to add:

this article has a link from the WH with a livestream.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/president-trumps-speech-to-congress-watch-the-livestream-w469621

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 28, 2017, 07:27:22 PM

Our very beautiful First Lady, an immigrant from eastern Europe, got a standing ovation at the start of President Trump's speech when he mentioned her.

He just got a standing ovation from the Republicans when he said "we will build a Great, Great Wall on our southern border".

Speaking of which:

http://thehill.com/regulation/321644-construction-of-trumps-wall-attracts-bids-from-225-companies

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 28, 2017, 08:55:49 PM

What a TREMENDOUS speech tonight by President Trump. I've suffered through the last 8 years hoping and praying that eventually the United States would re-embrace the vision for our country that our President outlined tonight. I have regained a confidence in our future that I had lost.

In my mind, his manner and demeanor earned the title of President of the United States last night.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 28, 2017, 09:07:54 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 28, 2017, 08:55:49 PM

What a TREMENDOUS speech tonight by President Trump. I've suffered through the last 8 years hoping and praying that eventually the United States would re-embrace the vision for our country that our President outlined tonight. I have regained a confidence in our future that I had lost.

I just woke up and read this. Nice news to hear!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 01, 2017, 03:52:50 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 28, 2017, 08:55:49 PM

What a TREMENDOUS speech tonight by President Trump. I've suffered through the last 8 years hoping and praying that eventually the United States would re-embrace the vision for our country that our President outlined tonight. I have regained a confidence in our future that I had lost.

I'm happy that you enjoyed his speech and yes it was very good. When CNN guy Van Jones says that you're now the President that's a good thing.

Hopefully he can learn from the experience and the positive polls that there really is an upside to behaving Presidential.

The usual suspects on the left and a couple of notable detractors on the right will likely waste no time in launching new obstructionist attacks. It's up to Trump to behave in a measured fashion to meet these challenges.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 01, 2017, 08:17:22 AM

So, the Yemen Raid, was it as Trump said 'highly successful', or as everyone else says 'a complete disaster'?

My money's on more delusional ranting by a US president who has no grip on reality....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 01, 2017, 10:29:36 AM

In this case, look at who is saying what. When you do so you will see that many of the critics have no way to know - they would not have been involved in the objective setting and so can not know if the objectives were attained.

Others would have been involved in the planing process and yet are criticising an action for which they would have been responsible in some way, given that the action was planned under previous regime.

Trump is in a position to know the objectives planned and attained, as well as the cost of the action.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 01, 2017, 01:08:25 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 01, 2017, 08:17:22 AM

So, the Yemen Raid, was it as Trump said 'highly successful', or as everyone else says 'a complete disaster'?

My money's on more delusional ranting by a US president who has no grip on reality....

just stop. show some respect for the mans widow.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 01, 2017, 01:32:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 01, 2017, 01:08:25 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 01, 2017, 08:17:22 AM
So, the Yemen Raid, was it as Trump said 'highly successful', or as everyone else says 'a complete disaster'?

My money's on more delusional ranting by a US president who has no grip on reality....

just stop. show some respect for the mans widow.

And also for the families of the many civilians killed including many children?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 01, 2017, 01:45:04 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 01, 2017, 01:32:42 PM

And also for the families of the many civilians killed including many children?

Acceptable collateral damage.

If you're going to cook an omelette, you gotta break some eggs.

People who choose to associate with global terrorists and international thugs shouldn't expect to live normal lives.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 01, 2017, 01:54:12 PM

Trump hit a homerun last night, hopefully he will continue to win over the doubters.

Erick Erickson: Trump's 'Presidential' Speech Should Scare Dems

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/776273?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1714932_03012017&s=al&dkt_nbr=pdu6fjhk&section=Politics&keywords=Erick-Erickson-Trump-Presidential-Speech&year=2017&month=03&date=01&id=776273&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 01, 2017, 03:18:41 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 01, 2017, 01:32:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 01, 2017, 01:08:25 PM
Quote from: Ste on March 01, 2017, 08:17:22 AM
So, the Yemen Raid, was it as Trump said 'highly successful', or as everyone else says 'a complete disaster'?

My money's on more delusional ranting by a US president who has no grip on reality....

just stop. show some respect for the mans widow.

And also for the families of the many civilians killed including many children?

It's the aspect of war which everyone should dread. Hard to know if they were really innocents in the wrong place or willing accomplices. Either way you could show respect for all and stop always accusing Trump of actions you have no real clue about. Approving a combat operation is always a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 01, 2017, 03:27:04 PM

Don't provoke the Trump! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

https://twitter.com/polNewsNetwork1/status/837042327902380033

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on March 02, 2017, 01:39:29 AM

Read in the news today, that the Dow-Jones index is going up like a rocket from hell... if it closes at 21000 today, it will surpass a growth-record over a 24-day period.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 02, 2017, 02:59:21 AM

Global economy likely to get into serious trouble soon. Not really Trump's fault, he needed to be elected at least eight years earlier. These low interest rates have caused too much borrowing. When Interest rate rise it will cause many countries to not be able to pay their debts. Right now the stock market is only looking at lower taxes and regulations. When inflation hits and interest rates rise it will not be pretty. Also the effects of a US balance trade with China may have some intended problems.

http://www.financialsense.com/sites/default/files/users/u796/pdfs/2017/Recipe-For-Disaster.pdf

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 02, 2017, 07:56:48 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 01, 2017, 01:45:04 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 01, 2017, 01:32:42 PM
And also for the families of the many civilians killed including many children?

Acceptable collateral damage.

If you're going to cook an omelette, you gotta break some eggs.

People who choose to associate with global terrorists and international thugs shouldn't expect to live normal lives.

Pretty poor state of affairs when children aged 3-13 are considered 'collateral damage' yet we are expected to bow our heads and eulogise over the death of a Soldier who joined up to a service where they have guns and might get killed, it's in the Terms and Conditions you know....

Even so, any death is a wasted life no matter whose...

What I'm I listening to today. 'Wasted Life' by Stiff Little Fingers...

I could be a soldier
Go out there and fight to save this land
Be a people's soldier
Paramilitary gun in hand
I won't be a soldier
I won't take no orders from no-one
Stuff their :censored: ing armies
Killing isn't my idea of fun

And they want to waste my life
They want to waste my time
They want to waste my life
And they've stolen it away

I could be a hero
Live and die for their important cause
A united nation
Or an independent state with laws
And rules and regulations
That merely cause disturbances and wars
And that's what I have got now
All thanks to the freedom-seeking hordes

And they want to waste my life
They want to waste my time
They want to waste my life
And they've stolen it away

I'm not gonna be taken in
They said if I don't join, I just can't win
I've heard that story many times before
And every time I threw it out the door

Still they come up to me
With a different name but the same old face
I can see the connection
With another time and a different place
Now, they ain't blonde-haired or blue-eyed
But they think that they're a master race
They're nothing but blind fascists
Brought up to hate and given lives to waste

And they want to waste my life
They want to waste my time
They want to waste my life
And they've stolen it away

What they wanna do, they want to waste my life
They want to waste my time
They want to waste my life
And they've stolen it away

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 02, 2017, 08:08:47 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on March 02, 2017, 02:59:21 AM

Global economy likely to get into serious trouble soon. Not really Trump's fault, he needed to be elected at least eight years earlier. These low interest rates have caused too much borrowing. When Interest rate rise it will cause many countries to not be able to pay their debts. Right now the stock market is only looking at lower taxes and regulations. When inflation hits and interest rates rise it will not be pretty. Also the effects of a US balance trade with China may have some intended problems.

http://www.financialsense.com/sites/default/files/users/u796/pdfs/2017/Recipe-For-Disaster.pdf

Intended or unintended? Try to be more careful in your ramblings.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on March 02, 2017, 08:43:08 AM

Quote from: Ste on March 02, 2017, 07:56:48 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 01, 2017, 01:45:04 PM
Quote from: Ste on March 01, 2017, 01:32:42 PM
And also for the families of the many civilians killed including many children?

Acceptable collateral damage.

If you're going to cook an omelette, you gotta break some eggs.

People who choose to associate with global terrorists and international thugs shouldn't expect to live normal lives.

Pretty poor state of affairs when children aged 3-13 are considered 'collateral damage' yet we are expected to bow our heads and eulogise over the death of a Soldier who joined up to a service where they have guns and might get killed, it's in the Terms and Conditions you know....

Even so, any death is a wasted life no matter whose...

What I'm I listening to today. 'Wasted Life' by Stiff Little Fingers...

I could be a soldier
Go out there and fight to save this land
Be a people's soldier
Paramilitary gun in hand
I won't be a soldier
I won't take no orders from no-one
Stuff their :censored: ing armies
Killing isn't my idea of fun

And they want to waste my life
They want to waste my time
They want to waste my life
And they've stolen it away

I could be a hero
Live and die for their important cause
A united nation
Or an independent state with laws
And rules and regulations
That merely cause disturbances and wars
And that's what I have got now
All thanks to the freedom-seeking hordes

And they want to waste my life
They want to waste my time
They want to waste my life
And they've stolen it away

I'm not gonna be taken in
They said if I don't join, I just can't win
I've heard that story many times before
And every time I threw it out the door

Still they come up to me
With a different name but the same old face
I can see the connection
With another time and a different place
Now, they ain't blonde-haired or blue-eyed
But they think that they're a master race
They're nothing but blind fascists
Brought up to hate and given lives to waste

And they want to waste my life
They want to waste my time
They want to waste my life
And they've stolen it away

What they wanna do, they want to waste my life
They want to waste my time
They want to waste my life
And they've stolen it away

Pah, so you depend on others to do the dirty work while you sit back quoting pacifist BS.
If ever another conflict your types should be rounded up and sent of to the front line.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 02, 2017, 09:19:47 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 02, 2017, 08:43:08 AM

Quote from: Ste on March 02, 2017, 07:56:48 AM
Quote from: shakespear on March 01, 2017, 01:45:04 PM
Quote from: Ste on March 01, 2017, 01:32:42 PM
And also for the families of the many civilians killed including many children?

Acceptable collateral damage.

If you're going to cook an omelette, you gotta break some eggs.

People who choose to associate with global terrorists and international thugs shouldn't expect to live normal lives.

Pretty poor state of affairs when children aged 3-13 are considered 'collateral damage' yet we are expected to bow our heads and eulogise over the death of a Soldier who joined up to a service where they have guns and might get killed, it's in the Terms and Conditions you know....

Even so, any death is a wasted life no matter whose...

What I'm I listening to today. 'Wasted Life' by Stiff Little Fingers...

I could be a soldier
Go out there and fight to save this land
Be a people's soldier
Paramilitary gun in hand
I won't be a soldier
I won't take no orders from no-one
Stuff their :censored: ing armies
Killing isn't my idea of fun

And they want to waste my life
They want to waste my time
They want to waste my life
And they've stolen it away

I could be a hero
Live and die for their important cause
A united nation
Or an independent state with laws
And rules and regulations
That merely cause disturbances and wars
And that's what I have got now
All thanks to the freedom-seeking hordes

And they want to waste my life
They want to waste my time
They want to waste my life
And they've stolen it away

I'm not gonna be taken in
They said if I don't join, I just can't win
I've heard that story many times before
And every time I threw it out the door

Still they come up to me
With a different name but the same old face
I can see the connection
With another time and a different place
Now, they ain't blonde-haired or blue-eyed
But they think that they're a master race
They're nothing but blind fascists
Brought up to hate and given lives to waste

And they want to waste my life
They want to waste my time
They want to waste my life
And they've stolen it away

What they wanna do, they want to waste my life
They want to waste my time
They want to waste my life
And they've stolen it away
Pah, so you depend on others to do the dirty work while you sit back quoting pacifist BS.
If ever another conflict your types should be rounded up and sent of to the front line.

Fight your own wars pal, you and your ilk start them, cause them and leave a huge mess. You sort it.

Wir haben die Nase voll davon......

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on March 02, 2017, 09:43:37 AM

Quote from: Ste on March 02, 2017, 09:19:47 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 02, 2017, 08:43:08 AM
Quote from: Ste on March 02, 2017, 07:56:48 AM
Quote from: shakespear on March 01, 2017, 01:45:04 PM
Quote from: Ste on December 31, 1969, 06:24:48 PM
Quote from: Ste on March 02, 2017, 09:19:47 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 02, 2017, 08:43:08 AM
Quote from: Ste on March 02, 2017, 07:56:48 AM
Quote from: shakespear on March 01, 2017, 01:45:04 PM
Quote from: Ste on March 01, 2017, 01:32:42 PM
And also for the families of the many civilians killed including many children?

Acceptable collateral damage.

If you're going to cook an omelette, you gotta break some eggs.

People who choose to associate with global terrorists and international thugs shouldn't expect to live normal lives.

Pretty poor state of affairs when children aged 3-13 are considered 'collateral damage' yet we are expected to bow our heads and eulogise over the death of a Soldier who joined up to a service where they have guns and might get killed, it's in the Terms and Conditions you know....

Pah, so you depend on others to do the dirty work while you sit back quoting pacifist BS.
If ever another conflict your types should be rounded up and sent of to the front line.

Fight your own wars pal, you and your ilk start them, cause them and leave a huge mess. You sort it.

Wir haben die Nase voll davon......
I've worn the uniform, pal, and if I had to again, I would.
You wouldn't be able to spout your claptrap if it wasn't for the likes of 'my ilk'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 02, 2017, 09:56:19 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 02, 2017, 09:43:37 AM

I've worn the uniform, pal, and if I had to again, I would.
You wouldn't be able to spout your claptrap if it wasn't for the likes of 'my ilk'.

I have the utmost respect for those that have served and given their lives on both sides, as to my being able to spout 'claptrap' that's still a debatable point, as history shows us, both as to whether claptrap is a valid moniker for my selfheld beliefs, or whether I am able to speak it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on March 02, 2017, 10:05:59 AM

Quote from: Ste

I have the utmost respect for those that have served and given their lives

tiphat

Quote

as to my being able to spout 'claptrap' that's still a debatable point, as history shows us, both as to whether claptrap is a valid moniker for my selfheld beliefs,

Without a shadow of doubt.

Quote

or whether I am able to speak it.

Hard won over centuries and paid for in blood

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 02, 2017, 11:11:15 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 02, 2017, 08:43:08 AM

Pah, so you depend on others to do the dirty work while you sit back quoting pacifist BS.
If ever another conflict your types should be rounded up and sent off to the front line.

The front line is coming to you; as you noted in another thread certain types aren't interested in integrating, they're only interested in subjugating.

Will the likes of Ste take up arms and defend his own land when the time comes? I doubt it. It's very easy to be a critic from an armchair.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 02, 2017, 11:12:49 AM

Quote from: Ste on March 02, 2017, 07:56:48 AM

Pretty poor state of affairs when children aged 3-13 are considered 'collateral damage' yet we are expected to bow our heads and eulogise over the death of a Soldier who joined up to a service where they have guns and might get killed, it's in the Terms and Conditions you know....

I've worn the uniform myself thank you.

Women who decide to marry and have children with radical Islamic terrorists should realistically have the same expectation of being placed in harms way knowing and understanding that the rest of the civilized world is targeting their despicable husbands and adult sons.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 02, 2017, 11:26:45 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2017, 11:12:49 AM

Quote from: Ste on March 02, 2017, 07:56:48 AM
Pretty poor state of affairs when children aged 3-13 are considered 'collateral damage' yet we are expected to bow our heads and eulogise over the death of a Soldier who joined up to a service where they have guns and might get killed, it's in the Terms and Conditions you know....

I've worn the uniform myself thank you.

Women who decide to marry and have children with radical Islamic terrorists should realistically have the same expectation of being placed in harms way knowing and understanding that the rest of the civilized world is targeting their despicable husbands and adult sons.

This is common sense but those on the left live in fantasy worlds which they create. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 02, 2017, 01:35:13 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 02, 2017, 09:56:19 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 02, 2017, 09:43:37 AM
I've worn the uniform, pal, and if I had to again, I would.
You wouldn't be able to spout your claptrap if it wasn't for the likes of 'my ilk'.
I have the utmost respect for those that have served and given their lives on both sides, as to my being able to spout 'claptrap' that's still a debatable point, as history shows us, both as to whether claptrap is a valid moniker for my selfheld beliefs, or whether I am able to speak it.

America first, get used to it Ste.

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/837398203230138369

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 02, 2017, 04:35:42 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 02, 2017, 09:56:19 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 02, 2017, 09:43:37 AM
I've worn the uniform, pal, and if I had to again, I would.
You wouldn't be able to spout your claptrap if it wasn't for the likes of 'my ilk'.

I have the utmost respect for those that have served and given their lives on both sides, as to my being able to spout 'claptrap' that's still a debatable point, as history shows us, both as to whether claptrap is a valid moniker for my selfheld beliefs, or whether I am able to speak it.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C57jomZXEAALk9n.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2017, 05:19:36 AM

Those paying attention to the Trump administration know that the crazy cult of the lefty's keep attempting to block the progress of him getting work done with the silly claim of Russian interference in our election. Attorney General Jeff Sessions is the latest victim of their witch hunt. So now Republicans need to fight back and turn the tables. Here's a photo of lefty weasel Shumer having coffee with Putin.

Ted Cruz commentary on this nonsense.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5_ii0zUwAAgY5W.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tonton on March 03, 2017, 06:34:58 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 02, 2017, 01:35:13 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 02, 2017, 09:56:19 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 02, 2017, 09:43:37 AM
I've worn the uniform, pal, and if I had to again, I would.
You wouldn't be able to spout your claptrap if it wasn't for the likes of 'my ilk'.
I have the utmost respect for those that have served and given their lives on both sides, as to my being able to spout 'claptrap' that's still a debatable point, as history shows us, both as to whether claptrap is a valid moniker for my selfheld beliefs, or whether I am able to speak it.

America first, get used to it Ste.

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/837398203230138369

Nope. get used to other countries outside of your time zone

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2017, 10:49:42 AM

Quote from: tonton on March 03, 2017, 06:34:58 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 02, 2017, 01:35:13 PM
Quote from: Ste on March 02, 2017, 09:56:19 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 02, 2017, 09:43:37 AM
I've worn the uniform, pal, and if I had to again, I would.
You wouldn't be able to spout your claptrap if it wasn't for the likes of 'my ilk'.
I have the utmost respect for those that have served and given their lives on both sides, as to my being able to spout 'claptrap' that's still a debatable point, as history shows us, both as to whether claptrap is a valid moniker for my selfheld beliefs, or whether I am able to speak it.

America first, get used to it Ste.

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/837398203230138369

Nope. get used to other countries outside of your time zone

I take it you'll be rooting for China to continue expanding their presence nearer to Australia? :coffeeread:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-17/us-australia-urged-to-get-tough-over-south-china-sea/8128742

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 03, 2017, 11:30:45 AM

I understand that The Daily Mail is not a very credible source of news.

However if this story is not "fake news" but true, then Judge Herranz needs to be removed from from the bench IMMEDIATELY!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4277332/Judge-accused-helping-illegal-immigrant-escape-court.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2017, 12:14:34 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 03, 2017, 11:30:45 AM

I understand that The Daily Mail is not a very credible source of news.

However if this story is not "fake news" but true, then Judge Herranz needs to be removed from from the bench IMMEDIATELY!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4277332/Judge-accused-helping-illegal-immigrant-escape-court.html

:thumbsup:

Give her a few nights in jail with her beloved illegals as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2017, 01:10:17 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6BLFFsWAAAzYr7.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 03, 2017, 01:27:31 PM

Confederate -

Dude you're going to have to make at least one trip to Russia/Ukraine to beef up your list credibility.

:nod:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 03, 2017, 02:06:00 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 03, 2017, 05:19:36 AM

So now Republicans need to fight back and turn the tables. Here's a photo of lefty weasel Shumer having coffee with Putin.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5_ii0zUwAAgY5W.jpg)

Damn straight, they should actually request a special prosecutor to determine
what Shumer's meeting was about. They need to start fighting like the DNC does.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 03, 2017, 03:32:01 PM

I just don't see why this whole thing with Russia is so blown out of proportion? Trump made it very clear that he hoped to have better working relationship with Russia. Without talking how is it possible to get this done. The idea of Russia being able to sway the election is a joke.
Poroshenko made it clear that he supported Hillary, and I wouldn't doubt Clinton put out the word to many people from other countries to supply any dirt on Trump to tip the odds in her favor.
Trump took on the liberal media that tried every way possible to throw the election.
What really needs to be investigated is those on the democratic side that covered up the voting fraud which very well could have had changed the outcome of the election had the dems had a viable candidate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2017, 04:51:58 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on March 03, 2017, 03:32:01 PM

I just don't see why this whole thing with Russia is so blown out of proportion? Trump made it very clear that he hoped to have better working relationship with Russia. Without talking how is it possible to get this done. The idea of Russia being able to sway the election is a joke.
Poroshenko made it clear that he supported Hillary, and I wouldn't doubt Clinton put out the word to many people from other countries to supply any dirt on Trump to tip the odds in her favor.
Trump took on the liberal media that tried every way possible to throw the election.
What really needs to be investigated is those on the democratic side that covered up the voting fraud which very well could have had changed the outcome of the election had the dems had a viable candidate.

TomCat elements of our media, especially CNN were infiltrated long ago by Operation Mockingbird. The "shadow government" has holdovers from the Obama regime. By constantly parroting this Russian nonsense they deflect the opinion and attention of the American public away from what they were really up to in the middle east and elsewhere.

The left is to be commended for being so dedicated to their cause even though it's a bunch of nonsense. The problem with Republicans is they're not loud and we have too many rats (like McCain and Graham) in our midst. I keep hoping Trump and his cabinet will turn the tables on Democrats and get aggressive about it.

For example 2 Million Mexicans are known to be ILLEGALLY registered to vote because they are not here legally. Why doesn't Trump and Sessions get aggressive in calling for a Congressional investigation of Mexico and American conspirators to improperly affect our election?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2017, 04:54:44 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 03, 2017, 01:27:31 PM

Confederate -

Dude you're going to have to make at least one trip to Russia/Ukraine to beef up your list credibility.

:nod:

What is "list credibility?"

edit: I think I figured out what you meant. The salad dressing was not Russian enough? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2017, 04:59:04 PM

Weekly Trump address from Aircraft carrier USS Gerald Ford.

https://www.facebook.com/POTUS/posts/1269965879739516

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2017, 07:50:40 PM

Pelosi meeting with the Russians.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/03/nancy-pelosi-caught-with-her-pants-down/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social

(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/837780063877660672/VqISRh1C?format=jpg&name=800x419)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2017, 08:01:35 PM

And then there is Claire McCaskill.

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/confusion-dem-sen-claims-no-meeting-russians-tweeted-twice/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 03, 2017, 08:17:30 PM

There's plenty of reasons to question Clinton ties to Russia.

Peter Schweizer: Trump vs. Clintons' Russia ties (guess who always got a free pass)

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/03/peter-schweizer-trump-vs-clintons-russia-ties-guess-who-always-got-free-pass.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2017, 08:26:13 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on March 03, 2017, 03:32:01 PM

I just don't see why this whole thing with Russia is so blown out of proportion? Trump made it very clear that he hoped to have better working relationship with Russia. Without talking how is it possible to get this done. The idea of Russia being able to sway the election is a joke.
Poroshenko made it clear that he supported Hillary, and I wouldn't doubt Clinton put out the word to many people from other countries to supply any dirt on Trump to tip the odds in her favor.
Trump took on the liberal media that tried every way possible to throw the election.
What really needs to be investigated is those on the democratic side that covered up the voting fraud which very well could have had changed the outcome of the election had the dems had a viable candidate.

maybe this?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C57g5TIWYAE92jB.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2017, 08:35:24 PM

And then there are these two RINO slimeballs.

https://twitter.com/fashcrimson/status/837308635948564480

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C57idomXMAALp0Y.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 04, 2017, 01:47:37 PM

The Democrats have made it difficult for Trump with unsubstantiated claims of Trump ties to Russia, but these accusations of Obama won't help Trump's credibility.
Trump just needs to focus on his presidency, and rise above this petty crap.

‘March 4 Trump’ Draws Thousands Across the Nation

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/march-4-trump-draws-thousands-across-nation-n729121

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 04, 2017, 10:32:33 PM

I will say this -

Accusing President Obama of directing his Attorney General to wiretap Trump Towers before the election is a serious matter. A VERY serious matter! If true and provable, it would be a bigger scandal that Watergate.

That said, if Trump is slinging unfounded accusations about this, it will forever damage his credibility and ability to effectively serve as President of the United States for the remainder of his term in office. All of the progress he has made so far will be forgotten.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 05, 2017, 01:17:58 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 04, 2017, 10:32:33 PM

I will say this -

Accusing President Obama of directing his Attorney General to wiretap Trump Towers before the election is a serious matter. A VERY serious matter! If true and provable, it would be a bigger scandal that Watergate.

That said, if Trump is slinging unfounded accusations about this, it will forever damage his credibility and ability to effectively serve as President of the United States for the remainder of his term in office. All of the progress he has made so far will be forgotten.

I doubt the buggers would have their involvement lead to Obama but rather to a dead end. It is 2017 and not 1972 with tape on a door lock and bugging equipment held by G. Gordon Liddy and C.I.A. master spook H. L. Hunt. You would think the company has gotten more sophisticated since then in covering their tracks. However is it possible they would leave a trail... on purpose?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 05, 2017, 07:09:50 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 04, 2017, 10:32:33 PM

I will say this -

Accusing President Obama of directing his Attorney General to wiretap Trump Towers before the election is a serious matter. A VERY serious matter! If true and provable, it would be a bigger scandal that Watergate.

That said, if Trump is slinging unfounded accusations about this, it will forever damage his credibility and ability to effectively serve as President of the United States for the remainder of his term in office. All of the progress he has made so far will be forgotten.

The FISA warrant exists, so try as he may, Obama cannot deny this. The details may prove to be "complicated".

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-04/watergate-trump-accuses-obama-wiretapping-trump-tower

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 05, 2017, 07:19:40 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 04, 2017, 10:32:33 PM

I will say this -

Accusing President Obama of directing his Attorney General to wiretap Trump Towers before the election is a serious matter. A VERY serious matter! If true and provable, it would be a bigger scandal that Watergate.

That said, if Trump is slinging unfounded accusations about this, it will forever damage his credibility and ability to effectively serve as President of the United States for the remainder of his term in office. All of the progress he has made so far will be forgotten.

Initially those involved with the former Obama White House denied any involvement in the wire tapping of Donald Trump’s home and offices during the 2016 Election. That denial is now shifting into an explanation of “due diligence” which would suggest an admission by these same Obama operatives that the White House did in fact know of, and thus condoned, the wire taps. This appears for now to be Team Obama’s defense – that the wire taps were conducted not as a means of political spying against an opponent, but rather, as a matter of national security. It is already being suggested the Mainstream Media is preparing that very spin for tomorrow’s morning shows.
Read more at http://dcwhispers.com/the-empire-fights-back-obama-operatives-claim-secret-trump-wire-tap-was-due-diligence/#dI3vsRSUfypZy0dr.99

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 05, 2017, 08:14:43 AM

The NSA Wiretaps Every Future President

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/trump-ends-cycle-blackmail-nsa-wiretapped-obama-2004/ri19106

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 05, 2017, 08:28:20 AM

This is from a Mike Pence parody account.

https://twitter.com/MikePenceVP/status/838128311515643904

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6IPQUUWYAAvwOy.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 05, 2017, 08:32:50 AM

Yet still no Congressional outcry for an investigation into Saudi Arabia trying to influence our election, or Mexico, or..

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6FkFqgVUAEC3Fa.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 05, 2017, 08:41:29 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 04, 2017, 10:32:33 PM

I will say this -

Accusing President Obama of directing his Attorney General to wiretap Trump Towers before the election is a serious matter. A VERY serious matter! If true and provable, it would be a bigger scandal that Watergate.

That said, if Trump is slinging unfounded accusations about this, it will forever damage his credibility and ability to effectively serve as President of the United States for the remainder of his term in office. All of the progress he has made so far will be forgotten.

It will be very difficult for Obama to deny knowing about wiretaps when his partners in crime at the NY Times already printed the story verifying his knowledge of it.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6KhVHsU8AATWD6.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 05, 2017, 07:23:53 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6FEJBrVMAIYQv7.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 06, 2017, 11:23:37 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6QST8PWUAA_NHD.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 06, 2017, 02:55:50 PM

Hey Shakespeare, I'm waiting for your opinion on this wiretapping situation. Seems to be a lot of evidence that Trump Tower was indeed tapped. James Clapper is an obvious liar and has no credibility. The NY Times already printed that there were indeed taps as well Obama had a history of abusing his office to wiretap any and all. Of course if you read their denial it's not a denial at all; it's full of holes as Lynch could have ordered the taps.

So now that the smoke has cleared a bit what do you think? Mr. B/B?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 06, 2017, 03:26:49 PM

Trump’s Revised Travel Ban Spares Iraqis

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/us/politics/travel-ban-muslim-trump.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 06, 2017, 04:28:54 PM

House Republicans unveil Obamacare replacement bill

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/06/house-republicans-unveil-obamacare-replacement-bill/98826894/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 06, 2017, 06:54:37 PM

CIA and company being sued to find out who the leak was in regards to Flynn.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/breaking-judicial-watch-sues-cia-doj-treasury-records-related-flynn-leaks/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 06, 2017, 06:59:04 PM

I call it #ObamaGate. They're calling it TowerGate.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/14131/special-fake-news-rap-sheet-here-are-all-msms-lies-john-nolte#

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 06, 2017, 08:13:44 PM

From Steve Bannon's facebook page: (March 5, 2017 5:36 AM)

quote
We are absolutely positive Obama wire-tapped us during the election. We are absolutely not going to reveal our sources and methods for how we discovered this, not only would it put lives in danger but it would give up the upper hand we currently have in this situation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2017, 06:39:24 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 06, 2017, 02:55:50 PM

Hey Shakespeare, I'm waiting for your opinion on this wiretapping situation. Seems to be a lot of evidence that Trump Tower was indeed tapped. James Clapper is an obvious liar and has no credibility. The NY Times already printed that there were indeed taps as well Obama had a history of abusing his office to wiretap any and all. Of course if you read their denial it's not a denial at all; it's full of holes as Lynch could have ordered the taps.

So now that the smoke has cleared a bit what do you think? Mr. B/B?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6UIxmBWQAAsSmf.jpg:large)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 07:55:59 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 06, 2017, 02:55:50 PM

Hey Shakespeare, I'm waiting for your opinion on this wiretapping situation. Seems to be a lot of evidence that Trump Tower was indeed tapped. James Clapper is an obvious liar and has no credibility. The NY Times already printed that there were indeed taps as well Obama had a history of abusing his office to wiretap any and all. Of course if you read their denial it's not a denial at all; it's full of holes as Lynch could have ordered the taps.

I've seen nothing so far that provides conclusive, irrefutable proof that The Obama Administration either legally or illegally wiretapped the Trump campaign before the election.

I hear quite a bit of circumstantial evidence cited; much of it questionable at best. The list of FOREIGN leaders that were wiretapped has no bearing on this accusation. The laws regarding the wiretapping of foreign people verses US citizens are completely different. I'm willing to wait for the final findings from either the Senate or House Investigative Committees on this mater before passing final judgement on President Trump.

That said, it is my opinion that ANY sitting President that would make such a damning statement about his predecessor without rock solid definitive proof of the violation is engaging in behavior so unpresidential in nature that one can only conclude that the man has serious mental health issues.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 07, 2017, 08:07:19 AM

There's no doubt that Trump Tower, and probably other locations were subject to surveillance, there have been attributed press reports of such going back months; but when I read the denials that are not denials I am reminded of Bill Clinton and his words 'I did not have sex with that woman'.

Of course he didn't, as long as having a blowjob is not having sex! If the question he was responding to had been 'did you engage in sexual activity with Monica Lewinski?' then his words would have been misleading or inaccurate.

In this case we have all sorts of areas in which these non-denial denials can exist and be strictly speaking an accurate representation of the facts. For example, as long as the words 'wire tap' are used then a denial of 'wire tapping' might well be appropriate. That's because wire tapping is a very specific activity: the attaching of a LISTENING DEVICE to a TELEPHONE LINE to monitor CONVERSATIONS.

The chances are that the monitoring activity which took place was not that specific activity. The monitoring might have been, for example, placing a LISTENING DEVICE in a ROOM to monitor CONVERSATIONS. Possibly SOFTWARE was placed on a COMPUTER to TRANSFER DATA. There's loads of other options that would have had the effect of passing confidential information to outside stakeholders that were not 'wiretapping'.

It goes further.

The claim has been made that Obama ordered the wire tapping and that Obama monitored the output from the wire tap. Well, that is almost certainly not true. He could for example, have said 'I'd love to be a fly on that wall', that's certainly not an order or instruction. If he was to be told of conversations between people being monitored then it'd not be Obama doing the monitoring.

'I did not have sex with that woman'

My guess is that there was at least one monitoring device or system used to extract data of more than one form from Trump Tower and possibly other locations. The monitoring was almost certainly carried out as the result of a legitimate process but the output of the monitoring was spread further than was strictly intended by the enabling legislation. It is my opinion that the decision by the outgoing administration to remove the firewalls between the various intelligence agencies in the US was not coincidental. As a result of that action there are now many different possibilities for information to be spread further than before and with no clear chain between the links.

Trump is correct to make his claims. He has cast a light onto a nest of cockroaches. The modus operandum employed has been used before. The easiest analogy to understand the process is to think of the old gag about the man negotiating with a woman:

Quote

“They are telling this of Lord Beaverbrook and a visiting Yankee actress. In a game of hypothetical questions, Beaverbrook asked the lady: ‘Would you live with a stranger if he paid you one million pounds?’ She said she would. ‘And if be paid you five pounds?’ The irate lady fumed: ‘Five pounds. What do you think I am?’ Beaverbrook replied: ‘We’ve already established that. Now we are trying to determine the degree.”

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/03/07/haggling/

Trump knows that he was being monitored, now he has forced those who were stakeholders in that monitoring to respond and, in doing so, they have already started to throw stones at each other.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 07, 2017, 08:48:20 AM

One thing about lies, sooner or later the truth comes out.

New Leaks Confirm: CIA Posed as ‘Russian Hackers’

http://russia-insider.com/en/new-leaks-confirm-cia-posed-russian-hackers/ri19135

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 07, 2017, 09:58:23 AM

WATCH: Trump Surprises White House Visitors as Tours Resume

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/07/trump-surprises-white-house-visitors-tours-resume-new-video

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2017, 10:00:07 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 07:55:59 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 06, 2017, 02:55:50 PM
Hey Shakespeare, I'm waiting for your opinion on this wiretapping situation. Seems to be a lot of evidence that Trump Tower was indeed tapped. James Clapper is an obvious liar and has no credibility. The NY Times already printed that there were indeed taps as well Obama had a history of abusing his office to wiretap any and all. Of course if you read their denial it's not a denial at all; it's full of holes as Lynch could have ordered the taps.

I've seen nothing so far that provides conclusive, irrefutable proof that The Obama Administration either legally or illegally wiretapped the Trump campaign before the election.

I hear quite a bit of circumstantial evidence cited; much of it questionable at best. The list of FOREIGN leaders that were wiretapped has no bearing on this accusation. The laws regarding the wiretapping of foreign people verses US citizens are completely different. I'm willing to wait for the final findings from either the Senate or House Investigative Committees on this mater before passing final judgement on President Trump.

That said, it is my opinion that ANY sitting President that would make such a damning statement about his predecessor without rock solid definitive proof of the violation is engaging in behavior so unpresidential in nature that one can only conclude that the man has serious mental health issues.

We know that Flynn's conversations were recorded and we know that he was in Trump Tower when this occurred. I supposed it's possible that the Russian ambassador is who was being wiretapped and that was their dragnet. Except that the NY Times twice posted that there were wiretaps and the NY Times is a known mouthpiece for the US govt. However again you could claim that it was only the ambassador (or any other Russian they thought of wiretapping who they hoped would meet with Trump people).

The whole affair is a mess and it is an Obama and DNC created mess. For you to cast aspersions on the President's mental health ignores who is behind this mess. So I don't quite agree with you although I hope Trump learns to quietly use the power that he has and not speak out until there is irrefutable evidence.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 10:12:47 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 07, 2017, 10:00:07 AM

We know that Flynn's conversations were recorded and we know that he was in Trump Tower when this occurred. I supposed it's possible that the Russian ambassador is who was being wiretapped and that was their dragnet. Except that the NY Times twice posted that there were wiretaps and the NY Times is a known mouthpiece for the US govt. However again you could claim that it was only the ambassador (or any other Russian they thought of wiretapping who they hoped would meet with Trump people).

In the first place, Trump's people would have to be ultra naive not to understand that conversations with a Russian ambassador would almost certainly be monitored by some US security agency. The LEAK of that information was definitely a felony. US law requires that any private conversation involving a US citizen be approved by a judge. Could be a FISA judge. Once a US citizen is on the line with a foreign national being monitored, they're supposed to disconnect the phone call unless they have that warrant. The problem is simple to solve. Produce the warrant or produce the transcripted proof that somebody in the Obama administration monitored the conversation illegally. Trump is President. He could do that easily.

I'm afraid the delay in releasing such proof is because he was just using his twitter account to "shoot from the hip" yet again. If so, due to the nature of the accusation, the guy has mental issues.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2017, 10:22:47 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 10:12:47 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 07, 2017, 10:00:07 AM
We know that Flynn's conversations were recorded and we know that he was in Trump Tower when this occurred. I supposed it's possible that the Russian ambassador is who was being wiretapped and that was their dragnet. Except that the NY Times twice posted that there were wiretaps and the NY Times is a known mouthpiece for the US govt. However again you could claim that it was only the ambassador (or any other Russian they thought of wiretapping who they hoped would meet with Trump people).

In the first place, Trump's people would have to be ultra naive not to understand that conversations with a Russian ambassador would almost certainly be monitored by some US security agency. The LEAK of that information was definitely a felony. US law requires that any private conversation involving a US citizen be approved by a judge. Could be a FISA judge. Once a US citizen is on the line with a foreign national being monitored, they're supposed to disconnect the phone call unless they have that warrant. The problem is simple to solve. Produce the warrant or produce the transcripted proof that somebody in the Obama administration monitored the conversation illegally. Trump is President. He could do that easily.

I'm afraid the delay in releasing such proof is because he was just using his twitter account to "shoot from the hip" yet again. If so, due to the nature of the accusation, the guy has mental issues.

That's right, the LEAK of the Flynn convo was a felony. Now we're getting somewhere. The likes of Shumer and Pelosi cannot continue to whine about alleged Trump people having convo's with the Russians, when somebody committed a felony in disclosing this information in order to smear Trump.

Why you keep going about Trump's mental health while completely IGNORING numerous issues of Obama and Hillary Clinton is a mystery to me. Essentially we're back to where I think you're part of the problem. IOW you're really on the other team.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/06/tucker-carlson-battles-rep-jim-himes-connecticut-donald-trump-tower-surveillance-spying

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2017, 10:33:11 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 07, 2017, 08:07:19 AM

There's no doubt that Trump Tower, and probably other locations were subject to surveillance, there have been attributed press reports of such going back months; but when I read the denials that are not denials I am reminded of Bill Clinton and his words 'I did not have sex with that woman'.

Of course he didn't, as long as having a blowjob is not having sex! If the question he was responding to had been 'did you engage in sexual activity with Monica Lewinski?' then his words would have been misleading or inaccurate.

In this case we have all sorts of areas in which these non-denial denials can exist and be strictly speaking an accurate representation of the facts. For example, as long as the words 'wire tap' are used then a denial of 'wire tapping' might well be appropriate. That's because wire tapping is a very specific activity: the attaching of a LISTENING DEVICE to a TELEPHONE LINE to monitor CONVERSATIONS.

The chances are that the monitoring activity which took place was not that specific activity. The monitoring might have been, for example, placing a LISTENING DEVICE in a ROOM to monitor CONVERSATIONS. Possibly SOFTWARE was placed on a COMPUTER to TRANSFER DATA. There's loads of other options that would have had the effect of passing confidential information to outside stakeholders that were not 'wiretapping'.

It goes further.

The claim has been made that Obama ordered the wire tapping and that Obama monitored the output from the wire tap. Well, that is almost certainly not true. He could for example, have said 'I'd love to be a fly on that wall', that's certainly not an order or instruction. If he was to be told of conversations between people being monitored then it'd not be Obama doing the monitoring.

'I did not have sex with that woman'

My guess is that there was at least one monitoring device or system used to extract data of more than one form from Trump Tower and possibly other locations. The monitoring was almost certainly carried out as the result of a legitimate process but the output of the monitoring was spread further than was strictly intended by the enabling legislation. It is my opinion that the decision by the outgoing administration to remove the firewalls between the various intelligence agencies in the US was not coincidental. As a result of that action there are now many different possibilities for information to be spread further than before and with no clear chain between the links.

Trump is correct to make his claims. He has cast a light onto a nest of cockroaches. The modus operandum employed has been used before. The easiest analogy to understand the process is to think of the old gag about the man negotiating with a woman:

Quote
“They are telling this of Lord Beaverbrook and a visiting Yankee actress. In a game of hypothetical questions, Beaverbrook asked the lady: ‘Would you live with a stranger if he paid you one million pounds?’ She said she would. ‘And if be paid you five pounds?’ The irate lady fumed: ‘Five pounds. What do you think I am?’ Beaverbrook replied: ‘We’ve already established that. Now we are trying to determine the degree.”
http://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/03/07/haggling/

Trump knows that he was being monitored, now he has forced those who were stakeholders in that monitoring to respond and, in doing so, they have already started to throw stones at each other.

The technology to use laptop computers and Smart TV's to monitor communications was developed by British Intelligence. It's easy for an outside operator to turn these abilities on and I doubt any FISA court must approve a wiretap.

quote:
About 70 years ago, English novelist George Orwell wrote 1984, a controversial novel which visioned of a fictional dystopian place called Oceania where people had no real privacy. As Orwell described, residents of Oceania had two-way telescreens so that they may be watched or listened to by government authorities. The book was written way ahead of its time, and while it didn't make much sense back then, a lot of assumptions Orwell made in 1984 are coming true now.

https://betanews.com/2015/02/19/samsung-lied-its-smart-tv-is-indeed-spying-on-you-and-it-is-doing-nothing-to-stop-that/

Current surveillance in the UK. Read at the risk to your mental health. :laugh:

Edward Snowden says it’s simply "the most extreme surveillance in the history of western democracy."

http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13718768/uk-surveillance-laws-explained-investigatory-powers-bill

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 02:27:44 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 07, 2017, 10:22:47 AM

Why you keep going about Trump's mental health while completely IGNORING numerous issues of Obama and Hillary Clinton is a mystery to me. Essentially we're back to where I think you're part of the problem. IOW you're really on the other team.

Because you have a sitting US President that has accused his immediate predecessor of felony level crimes without producing a shred of proof to substantiate his claim. He didn't say it was POSSIBLE that it happened. He said it was a FACT that it happened. Look up the definition of paranoia. Its a mental disorder.

Or better still watch the movie, "The Caine Mutiny" Envision Trump as the character Captain Queeg as played by Humphrey Bogart. He was nominated for Best Actor in 1954 for this role.

http://www.imdb.com/videoplayer/vi972030233?ref_=tt_pv_vi_aiv_1

Produce the judges order or produce the transcript. Trump could do it tomorrow if either existed. Maybe it does exist. I'll wait for the results of the Senate and House Committee that is charged to investigate this accusation before making my final comment on this issue.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 07, 2017, 02:52:53 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 10:12:47 AM

In the first place, Trump's people would have to be ultra naive not to understand that conversations with a Russian ambassador would almost certainly be monitored by some US security agency. The LEAK of that information was definitely a felony. US law requires that any private conversation involving a US citizen be approved by a judge. Could be a FISA judge. Once a US citizen is on the line with a foreign national being monitored, they're supposed to disconnect the phone call unless they have that warrant. The problem is simple to solve. Produce the warrant or produce the transcripted proof that somebody in the Obama administration monitored the conversation illegally. Trump is President. He could do that easily.

In theory he could. Depends on how much cooperation he gets. What I fear is that what we are seeing is the Deep State at war with a democratically-elected president. Whatever the protocol is for handing incidental recordings of US citizens - disconnecting, handing over any materials to DoJ - they most certainly do not include leaking to WaPo. Whoever did this needs to be prosecuted.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2017, 03:10:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 02:27:44 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 07, 2017, 10:22:47 AM
Why you keep going about Trump's mental health while completely IGNORING numerous issues of Obama and Hillary Clinton is a mystery to me. Essentially we're back to where I think you're part of the problem. IOW you're really on the other team.

Because you have a sitting US President that has accused his immediate predecessor of felony level crimes without producing a shred of proof to substantiate his claim. He didn't say it was POSSIBLE that it happened. He said it was a FACT that it happened. Look up the definition of paranoia. Its a mental disorder.

Or better still watch the movie, "The Caine Mutiny" Envision Trump as the character Captain Queeg as played by Humphrey Bogart. He was nominated for Best Actor in 1954 for this role.

http://www.imdb.com/videoplayer/vi972030233?ref_=tt_pv_vi_aiv_1

Produce the judges order or produce the transcript. Trump could do it tomorrow if either existed. Maybe it does exist. I'll wait for the results of the Senate and House Committee that is charged to investigate this accusation before making my final comment on this issue.

Okay, well I believe he's just playing to his base, and it was a way to throw the "Russian" story back in the face of the media. Sure you've got some points there and I've admitted I wish he would go about his business more stealthily. Let's assume he's still learning on the job. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 07, 2017, 03:12:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 02:27:44 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 07, 2017, 10:22:47 AM
Why you keep going about Trump's mental health while completely IGNORING numerous issues of Obama and Hillary Clinton is a mystery to me. Essentially we're back to where I think you're part of the problem. IOW you're really on the other team.

Because you have a sitting US President that has accused his immediate predecessor of felony level crimes without producing a shred of proof to substantiate his claim. He didn't say it was POSSIBLE that it happened. He said it was a FACT that it happened. Look up the definition of paranoia. Its a mental disorder.

Or better still watch the movie, "The Caine Mutiny" Envision Trump as the character Captain Queeg as played by Humphrey Bogart. He was nominated for Best Actor in 1954 for this role.

http://www.imdb.com/videoplayer/vi972030233?ref_=tt_pv_vi_aiv_1

Produce the judges order or produce the transcript. Trump could do it tomorrow if either existed. Maybe it does exist. I'll wait for the results of the Senate and House Committee that is charged to investigate this accusation before making my final comment on this issue.

I've used this example before on here as an insight to Trump's state of mind, novel is better (by Herman Wouk) but then they usually are.

Think Queeg was a Lieutenant Commander not a Captain though, might reread/rewatch it.......

Irrespective of the Trump comparison both are worthy of a few hours of one's attention.

More scary WRT to the Trump comparison is Lewis's novel 'It Could Never Happen Here' Trump could be Buzz Windrip.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2017, 03:16:25 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 07, 2017, 02:52:53 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 10:12:47 AM
In the first place, Trump's people would have to be ultra naive not to understand that conversations with a Russian ambassador would almost certainly be monitored by some US security agency. The LEAK of that information was definitely a felony. US law requires that any private conversation involving a US citizen be approved by a judge. Could be a FISA judge. Once a US citizen is on the line with a foreign national being monitored, they're supposed to disconnect the phone call unless they have that warrant. The problem is simple to solve. Produce the warrant or produce the transcripted proof that somebody in the Obama administration monitored the conversation illegally. Trump is President. He could do that easily.

In theory he could. Depends on how much cooperation he gets. What I fear is that what we are seeing is the Deep State at war with a democratically-elected president. Whatever the protocol is for handing incidental recordings of US citizens - disconnecting, handing over any materials to DoJ - they most certainly do not include leaking to WaPo. Whoever did this needs to be prosecuted.

B/B

The "Deep State" in conjunction with the media has definitely been at war with this democratically-elected President and as far as I know it's never happened in the history of our country. I've certainly never witnessed this before. He should close the NSA tomorrow or at the very least immediately fire all Obama appointees. The leaker of the Flynn transcripts certainly should be prosecuted as an example to the rest of the filthy pigs. Pig on a spit sounds pretty good to me.

(http://i53.tinypic.com/35l4s2x.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2017, 03:22:40 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 07, 2017, 03:12:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 02:27:44 PM
Quote from: Confederate on March 07, 2017, 10:22:47 AM
Why you keep going about Trump's mental health while completely IGNORING numerous issues of Obama and Hillary Clinton is a mystery to me. Essentially we're back to where I think you're part of the problem. IOW you're really on the other team.

Because you have a sitting US President that has accused his immediate predecessor of felony level crimes without producing a shred of proof to substantiate his claim. He didn't say it was POSSIBLE that it happened. He said it was a FACT that it happened. Look up the definition of paranoia. Its a mental disorder.

Or better still watch the movie, "The Caine Mutiny" Envision Trump as the character Captain Queeg as played by Humphrey Bogart. He was nominated for Best Actor in 1954 for this role.

http://www.imdb.com/videoplayer/vi972030233?ref_=tt_pv_vi_aiv_1

Produce the judges order or produce the transcript. Trump could do it tomorrow if either existed. Maybe it does exist. I'll wait for the results of the Senate and House Committee that is charged to investigate this accusation before making my final comment on this issue.

I've used this example before on here as an insight to Trump's state of mind, novel is better (by Herman Wouk) but then they usually are.

Think Queeg was a Lieutenant Commander not a Captain though, might reread/rewatch it.......

Irrespective of the Trump comparison both are worthy of a few hours of one's attention.

More scary WRT to the Trump comparison is Lewis's novel 'It Could Never Happen Here' Trump could be Buzz Windrip.

Queeg was the Commanding Officer and you are correct he was a Lieutenant Commander.

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0031055/bio

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 03:30:37 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 07, 2017, 03:12:45 PM

Think Queeg was a Lieutenant Commander not a Captain though, might reread/rewatch it.......

True. But in the US Naval tradition, the commander of a ship is referred to as "Captain", regardless of his actual rank.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2017, 03:37:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 03:30:37 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 07, 2017, 03:12:45 PM
Think Queeg was a Lieutenant Commander not a Captain though, might reread/rewatch it.......

True. But in the US Naval tradition, the commander of a ship is referred to as "Captain", regardless of his actual rank.

I was thinking just that after reading he was the CO but wasn't 100% sure of the tradition, thanks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 03:42:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 07, 2017, 03:10:17 PM

Okay, well I believe he's just playing to his base, and it was a way to throw the "Russian" story back in the face of the media. Sure you've got some points there and I've admitted I wish he would go about his business more stealthily. Let's assume he's still learning on the job. :laugh:

He's President now. He needs to understand that cavalierly libelling his predecessor just to impress his base certainly doesn't make him appear "Presidential" to the rest of the country or the rest of the world. It really does make him appear to have serious mental issues.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2017, 05:57:01 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 03:42:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 07, 2017, 03:10:17 PM

Okay, well I believe he's just playing to his base, and it was a way to throw the "Russian" story back in the face of the media. Sure you've got some points there and I've admitted I wish he would go about his business more stealthily. Let's assume he's still learning on the job. :laugh:

He's President now. He needs to understand that cavalierly libelling his predecessor just to impress his base certainly doesn't make him appear "Presidential" to the rest of the country or the rest of the world. It really does make him appear to have serious mental issues.

I'm not willing to say he has "serious mental issues" as he went thru the ringer during the election, after winning but before Inauguration and certainly since then.

Could you honestly say that you would not also be somewhat paranoid if you were in his shoes? Imagine having been elected and then instead of the press being on your side as they were with Obama they came out with the Urinegate story just prior to you being sworn in.

There was a concerted effort to take him down prior to November 8th and then prior to Inauguration and now since Inauguration. Again ask yourself if you were in his shoes would you not be suffering from some paranoia? Clearly there have been some "bad hombre's" in the Intel community who have been working overtime to discredit him.

Think about having that kind of pressure. He's done very well overall. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2017, 07:14:03 PM

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/839257826816053250

Trump deliberately poses in front of Hillary White House portrait to greet tourists - Troll Level: Imperial Master :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6WkirVVAAEiBgl.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2017, 05:14:00 AM

NSA whistleblower Binney says that Trump is correct.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-07/former-nsa-whistleblower-trump-absolutely-right-everything-was-being-monitored

Binney is the NSA executive who created the agency’s mass surveillance program for digital information, who served as the senior technical director within the agency, who managed six thousand NSA employees, the 36-year NSA veteran widely regarded as a “legend” within the agency and the NSA’s best-ever analyst and code-breaker, who mapped out the Soviet command-and-control structure before anyone else knew how

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 08, 2017, 08:48:02 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 03:42:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 07, 2017, 03:10:17 PM

Okay, well I believe he's just playing to his base, and it was a way to throw the "Russian" story back in the face of the media. Sure you've got some points there and I've admitted I wish he would go about his business more stealthily. Let's assume he's still learning on the job. :laugh:

He's President now. He needs to understand that cavalierly libelling his predecessor just to impress his base certainly doesn't make him appear "Presidential" to the rest of the country or the rest of the world. It really does make him appear to have serious mental issues.

He is using Democrat tactics against them. The whole acting presidential
is an establishment joke. If acting presidential was a good tactic we would
have had President McCain, President Romney and President Dole.

George W acted presidential and he took the whole party down with him losing
the House, the Senate and the Presidency. The Establishment types always
aspire to be the lovable losers and to fight back with one arm tied behind their
backs.

Trump is a fighter. That's what the GOP needs. Don't buy into the left-wing
media spin. They will attack Trump every single day, that's their new mission
in life. The lefty's are beside themselves that a Republican is fighting back
(and punching them in the kidney's).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 08, 2017, 10:15:42 AM

* Samsung plans U.S. Expansion, would shift manufacturing from Mexico - WSJ, citing sources

* Samsung planning major investment to expand U.S. Production facilities; initial capital investment expected to be around $300 million

read about it here
http://www.reuters.com/article/brief-samsung-plans-us-expansion-would-s-idUSFWN1GL0NJ

Trump's first full month in office brings massive employment boom

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4293622/Trump-s-month-brings-massive-employment-boom.html#ixzz4akuFlfQc

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2017, 11:58:29 AM

Quote from: Popka! on March 08, 2017, 10:15:42 AM

* Samsung plans U.S. Expansion, would shift manufacturing from Mexico - WSJ, citing sources

* Samsung planning major investment to expand U.S. Production facilities; initial capital investment expected to be around $300 million

read about it here
http://www.reuters.com/article/brief-samsung-plans-us-expansion-would-s-idUSFWN1GL0NJ

Trump's first full month in office brings massive employment boom

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4293622/Trump-s-month-brings-massive-employment-boom.html#ixzz4akuFlfQc

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2017, 12:00:47 PM

Quote from: Popka! on March 08, 2017, 08:48:02 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 03:42:28 PM
Quote from: Confederate on March 07, 2017, 03:10:17 PM

Okay, well I believe he's just playing to his base, and it was a way to throw the "Russian" story back in the face of the media. Sure you've got some points there and I've admitted I wish he would go about his business more stealthily. Let's assume he's still learning on the job. :laugh:

He's President now. He needs to understand that cavalierly libelling his predecessor just to impress his base certainly doesn't make him appear "Presidential" to the rest of the country or the rest of the world. It really does make him appear to have serious mental issues.

He is using Democrat tactics against them. The whole acting presidential
is an establishment joke. If acting presidential was a good tactic we would
have had President McCain, President Romney and President Dole.

George W acted presidential and he took the whole party down with him losing
the House, the Senate and the Presidency. The Establishment types always
aspire to be the lovable losers and to fight back with one arm tied behind their
backs.

Trump is a fighter. That's what the GOP needs. Don't buy into the left-wing
media spin. They will attack Trump every single day, that's their new mission
in life. The lefty's are beside themselves that a Republican is fighting back
(and punching them in the kidney's).

I like your take on this. Shakespeare is too often waving the white flag of surrender, but his behavior has been deeply programmed into him and he isn't even aware of this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 08, 2017, 02:58:41 PM

Dem Sen. Joe Manchin: My Relationship With Trump Better Than With Obama

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/777600?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1717393_03082017&s=al&dkt_nbr=lmzkosix&section=Politics&keywords=Joe-Manchin-Trump-Obama-Relationship&year=2017&month=03&date=08&id=777600&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 08, 2017, 04:18:40 PM

Didn't like Tim Kaine, seems like a real hothead. Looks like his son is much the same.

3 cops, pepper spray used in arrest of Sen. Tim Kaine’s son near Trump rally at Capitol

http://www.twincities.com/2017/03/07/son-of-sen-tim-kaine-one-of-six-arrested-during-trump-rally-at-state-capitol-last-weekend/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 08, 2017, 05:28:46 PM

The main stream media can't do an article without being up something negative about Trump.

Jon Huntsman to be Trump’s Ambassador to Russia

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/jon-huntsman-be-trump-s-ambassador-russia-n730926

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 09, 2017, 02:19:53 PM

I'm posting this article for the likes of Shakespeare and Ste and that Canadian feller. Enjoy. :chuckle:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/is-trumpism-an-existential-threat-100032958.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on March 09, 2017, 10:02:12 PM

I haven't been to the states since Twitter Trump was sworn in.
<----------
So I was wondering if this is the photo that will grace the walls at the border crossings?
I think it really captures the whiner quite well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 10, 2017, 07:24:27 AM

The economy is doing great, due to an optimistic President.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/us-jobs-wages-show-solid-gains-in-trumps-first-full-month/ar-AAo6tgz?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 14, 2017, 07:46:43 PM

Kucinich on wiretapping.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/10/dennis-kucinich-im-no-fan-trumps-but-hes-got-point-about-wiretapping.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 15, 2017, 11:42:09 AM

Trump paid 38 Million dollars in taxes in 2005. His tax rate was 25%, which turned out to be a lot higher than alleged Socialist Bernie Sanders (do as I say, not as I do). The story backfired on news anchor Rachel Maddow.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-paid-38-million-2005-federal-taxes-2005-white-house-n733611

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 15, 2017, 11:45:07 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 15, 2017, 11:42:09 AM

Trump paid 38 Million dollars in taxes in 2005. His tax rate was 25%, which turned out to be a lot higher than alleged Socialist Bernie Sanders (do as I say, not as I do). The story backfired on news anchor Rachel Maddow.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-paid-38-million-2005-federal-taxes-2005-white-house-n733611

PMSNBC Parent company Comcast paid 24%

http://ctj.org/corporatetaxdodgers/tax-dodgers.php?id=67

The Obamas paid $81,472 in total tax.
Last year their effective tax rate was 19.6 percent

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/15/obamas-paid-effective-tax-rate-187-percent-2015/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 15, 2017, 11:58:48 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 15, 2017, 11:42:09 AM

Trump paid 38 Million dollars in taxes in 2005. His tax rate was 25%, which turned out to be a lot higher than alleged Socialist Bernie Sanders (do as I say, not as I do). The story backfired on news anchor Rachel Maddow.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-paid-38-million-2005-federal-taxes-2005-white-house-n733611

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C69kvkFWYAIuChp.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 15, 2017, 12:11:29 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 15, 2017, 11:58:48 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 15, 2017, 11:42:09 AM
Trump paid 38 Million dollars in taxes in 2005. His tax rate was 25%, which turned out to be a lot higher than alleged Socialist Bernie Sanders (do as I say, not as I do). The story backfired on news anchor Rachel Maddow.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-paid-38-million-2005-federal-taxes-2005-white-house-n733611

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C69kvkFWYAIuChp.jpg)

Trump is saying the returns are FAKE NEWS.

Trump attacks reporter and NBC News for publishing his tax return

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-responds-tax-return-236072

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 15, 2017, 03:51:34 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on March 15, 2017, 12:11:29 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 15, 2017, 11:58:48 AM
Quote from: Confederate on March 15, 2017, 11:42:09 AM
Trump paid 38 Million dollars in taxes in 2005. His tax rate was 25%, which turned out to be a lot higher than alleged Socialist Bernie Sanders (do as I say, not as I do). The story backfired on news anchor Rachel Maddow.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-paid-38-million-2005-federal-taxes-2005-white-house-n733611

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C69kvkFWYAIuChp.jpg)

Trump is saying the returns are FAKE NEWS.

Trump attacks reporter and NBC News for publishing his tax return

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-responds-tax-return-236072

Not quite fake news. The White House verified that those are his real tax returns, but they expressed an objection over who obtained them breaking the law. I suspect Trump himself leaked them and if so it was a good leak. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 15, 2017, 04:09:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 15, 2017, 03:51:34 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on March 15, 2017, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: Confederate on March 15, 2017, 11:58:48 AM
Quote from: Confederate on March 15, 2017, 11:42:09 AM
Trump paid 38 Million dollars in taxes in 2005. His tax rate was 25%, which turned out to be a lot higher than alleged Socialist Bernie Sanders (do as I say, not as I do). The story backfired on news anchor Rachel Maddow.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-paid-38-million-2005-federal-taxes-2005-white-house-n733611

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C69kvkFWYAIuChp.jpg)

Trump is saying the returns are FAKE NEWS.

Trump attacks reporter and NBC News for publishing his tax return

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-responds-tax-return-236072

Not quite fake news. The White House verified that those are his real tax returns, but they expressed an objection over who obtained them breaking the law. I suspect Trump himself leaked them and if so it was a good leak. :laugh:

If Trump was involved, he is going to lose even more credibility.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 15, 2017, 05:21:28 PM

This really makes president Trump look weak, when some judge can over rules a presidential action.
Doubt anyone would dare to do that to Putin.

Federal Judge Blocks Trump’s Latest Travel Ban Nationwide

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/15/us/politics/trump-travel-ban.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 15, 2017, 05:51:39 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on March 15, 2017, 04:09:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 15, 2017, 03:51:34 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on March 15, 2017, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: Confederate on March 15, 2017, 11:58:48 AM
Quote from: Confederate on March 15, 2017, 11:42:09 AM
Trump paid 38 Million dollars in taxes in 2005. His tax rate was 25%, which turned out to be a lot higher than alleged Socialist Bernie Sanders (do as I say, not as I do). The story backfired on news anchor Rachel Maddow.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-paid-38-million-2005-federal-taxes-2005-white-house-n733611

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C69kvkFWYAIuChp.jpg)

Trump is saying the returns are FAKE NEWS.

Trump attacks reporter and NBC News for publishing his tax return

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-responds-tax-return-236072

Not quite fake news. The White House verified that those are his real tax returns, but they expressed an objection over who obtained them breaking the law. I suspect Trump himself leaked them and if so it was a good leak. :laugh:

If Trump was involved, he is going to lose even more credibility.

Uh, no and no.

First off there's no way to prove if Trump was involved and secondly he hasn't lost any credibility in this situation at all, he's gained credibility. Maddow showed that not only did Trump pay taxes, he paid an enormous amount of taxes, thus sinking yet another one of the loser Democrats arguments. Eventually it may bear out that recently he paid less taxes due to a write off, but for now this blew up in the Dummocraps face.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/03/15/john-fund-maddows-trump-taxes-fail-still-more-proof-that-liberal-media-cant-accept-defeat.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 15, 2017, 05:54:18 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on March 15, 2017, 05:21:28 PM

This really makes president Trump look weak, when some judge can over rules a presidential action.
Doubt anyone would dare to do that to Putin.

Federal Judge Blocks Trump’s Latest Travel Ban Nationwide

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/15/us/politics/trump-travel-ban.html

Not a good comparison; the USA is not Russia Trump is not Putin and nobody here expects liberal judges to accept this ban without a fight.

I expect eventually the Trump administration will prevail on this but of course there's going to be a fight.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 15, 2017, 06:08:37 PM

Trump: Federal ruling 'makes us look weak

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2017/03/15/trump-federal-ruling-makes-us-look-weak/99231514/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 15, 2017, 08:15:22 PM

Clinton Ally Says Smoke, But No Fire: No Russia-Trump Collusion

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/clinton-ally-says-smoke-no-fire-no-russia-trump-collusion-n734176

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 16, 2017, 04:33:19 PM

Is Trump caving to the pressure of the establishment?

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/16/trump-the-outsider-outsources-his-budget-to-insider-think-tank/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 19, 2017, 08:53:03 AM

Have the neocons taken over the White House?

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 19, 2017, 09:32:46 AM

Key Democratic Officials Now Warning Base Not to Expect Evidence of Trump/Russia Collusion

FROM MSNBC POLITICS shows to town hall meetings across the country,
the overarching issue for the Democratic Party’s base since Trump’s victory
has been Russia, often suffocating attention for other issues. This fixation
has persisted even though it has no chance to sink the Trump presidency
unless it is proven that high levels of the Trump campaign actively colluded
with the Kremlin to manipulate the outcome of the U.S. election —
a claim for which absolutely no evidence has thus far been presented.

read all about it here
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/16/key-democratic-officials-now-warning-base-not-to-expect-evidence-of-trumprussia-collusion/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 20, 2017, 04:18:02 PM

Quote from: Popka! on March 19, 2017, 09:32:46 AM

Key Democratic Officials Now Warning Base Not to Expect Evidence of Trump/Russia Collusion

FROM MSNBC POLITICS shows to town hall meetings across the country,
the overarching issue for the Democratic Party’s base since Trump’s victory
has been Russia, often suffocating attention for other issues. This fixation
has persisted even though it has no chance to sink the Trump presidency
unless it is proven that high levels of the Trump campaign actively colluded
with the Kremlin to manipulate the outcome of the U.S. election —
a claim for which absolutely no evidence has thus far been presented.

read all about it here
https://theintercept.com/2017/03/16/key-democratic-officials-now-warning-base-not-to-expect-evidence-of-trumprussia-collusion/

Because there is no collusion and there never was. The Democrats are still butthurt over the election and grasping at straws. If they wanted evidence of collusion they only had to look at the Clinton's and Podesta but they and their allies in the media refused to do so.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 20, 2017, 04:19:24 PM

Meanwhile there's a massive Trump victory rally underway in Louisville, Kentucky this evening. Trump supporters are happy that he's doing his best to keep campaign promises.

Click on the first photo on the link to see the massive lines waiting to see President Trump. Obama or Hillary could never draw such huge crowds.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/843961248811225089

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 20, 2017, 06:16:57 PM

Maybe Trump should put a travel ban on the international media?
The liberal media could have been a bit more specific, by saying the suspect was from Mexico, after all its a fact. Seems the only country the western media is willing to point fingers at even without proof is Russia.
Well the FBI, can solve a actual crime in a short amount of time. Makes it abundantly clear that there's not much truth to this Trump Russia thing.

Tom Brady's stolen Super Bowl jerseys found in possession of international media member

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18958516/tom-brady-stolen-super-bowl-jersey-found-possession-international-media-member

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on March 21, 2017, 02:41:53 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 20, 2017, 04:19:24 PM

Meanwhile there's a massive Trump victory rally underway in Louisville, Kentucky this evening. Trump supporters are happy that he's doing his best to keep campaign promises.

Click on the first photo on the link to see the massive lines waiting to see President Trump. Obama or Hillary could never draw such huge crowds.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/843961248811225089

I was the only one in my circle who was saying Trump will win. Not that i supported him, it's your internal affair, after all. I sensed it from many things, while reading sources in English language. I felt you as a society reached an extreme so to say, and,(mine comes from philosophy, not from political analyses) , it's at that point that things turn to their very
opposite. I am surrounded by people who were/ still are pro politicians. Some i know and interact with work as political analysts. It's funny how most of the times you can more accurately predict things knowing philosophy, than knowing bilateral relations and stuff :biggrin:

Btw, and :offtopic:

Same with Soviet Union. Not a single of some 70 USA institutions dedicated exclusively to studying the political course of ex SSSR could foresee that it will fall apart. Philosophers and kabbalists were saying it all along, that such an encapsulated/ closed system can not last longer than 70y :biggrin:
(P.s. i could, if i tried very hard, find links and facts to prove what i am saying in the last sentence, alas i am too lazy to do so, so you'll have to trust my word on this one - if you are inclined to do so ;))

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on March 21, 2017, 03:04:41 AM

Volshe,

re the breakup of the USSR

What do you think R Reagan and C Weinburger's goal was ?

"Their society is economically weak, and it lacks the wealth, education, and technology to enter the information age. They have thrown everything into military production, and their society is starting to show terrible stress as a result. They can't sustain military production the way we can. Eventually it will break them, and then there will be just one superpower in a safe world – if, only if, we can keep spending."

Quoting an interview in 1984 with Weinburger

All those think tanks might not have spotted it - but they (RR, CW et al ) had a plan and it worked ... not that the world stood still for long ....

Perhaps the Chinese watched and let it all happen ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 21, 2017, 07:57:08 AM

Tillerson Plans to Skip NATO Meeting, Visit Russia in April

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/779816?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1719679_03212017&s=al&dkt_nbr=dgic1mzy&section=Newsfront&keywords=tillerson-nato-meeting-russia&year=2017&month=03&date=20&id=779816&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

The Kremlin has not yet heard of any plans from Washington for a meeting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on March 21, 2017, 08:28:34 AM

Quote from: msmoby on March 21, 2017, 03:04:41 AM

"Their society is economically weak, and it lacks the wealth, education, and technology to enter the information age. They have thrown everything into military production, and their society is starting to show terrible stress as a result. They can't sustain military production the way we can. Eventually it will break them, and then there will be just one superpower in a safe world – if, only if, we can keep spending."

Quoting an interview in 1984 with Weinburger

All those think tanks might not have spotted it - but they (RR, CW et al ) had a plan and it worked ...

To the best of my knowledge it's so. If i reply, i am afraid i'll drag the thread irrevocably to the waters of philosophy, and no need to do so.

You know my opinion. Cold war was not the clash of ideas, as we were thought in school. It was clash of interests, it seems. Whose interest?
Not of the people.
I still think that existence of SSSR contributed to the development of the humanity in many fields. It's easy to say from a safe distance. It was not easy to live there, for most.

I can guess whose interests represents my own country. It's not so difficult after all. I know well our history and we are a tiny country, we all know everything.

The territories of former SSSR and USA are huge. There are numerous powerful and conflicting interests. I have this book on my reading list - American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America.

Tiny Montenegro has three culturally distinct geographical regions, 40 tribes and at least 3 powerful clans (as in fraternities/ tribes). We are some 600.000 (six hundred thousand).

Let alone ex-USSR and the USA...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 21, 2017, 09:14:40 AM

Quote from: Volshe on March 21, 2017, 02:41:53 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 20, 2017, 04:19:24 PM
Meanwhile there's a massive Trump victory rally underway in Louisville, Kentucky this evening. Trump supporters are happy that he's doing his best to keep campaign promises.

Click on the first photo on the link to see the massive lines waiting to see President Trump. Obama or Hillary could never draw such huge crowds.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/843961248811225089

I was the only one in my circle who was saying Trump will win. Not that i supported him, it's your internal affair, after all. I sensed it from many things, while reading sources in English language. I felt you as a society reached an extreme so to say, and,(mine comes from philosophy, not from political analyses) , it's at that point that things turn to their very
opposite. I am surrounded by people who were/ still are pro politicians. Some i know and interact with work as political analysts. It's funny how most of the times you can more accurately predict things knowing philosophy, than knowing bilateral relations and stuff :biggrin:

The choice was stark and the American people felt deceived and were exhausted by the 8 long years of Hussein O, the Marxist Muslim Mistake. Nobody really knows how a "community organizer" became President of the most powerful nation in history; unless they dig deep and realize that his grandparents had been involved in the CIA. But I digress, that's now smoke and mirrors. Obama continues to try to harm Trump from the shadows but God willing Trump will continue to be the teflon President.

The Clintons are a crime syndicate unto themselves; never in the history of our nation has a political team had such low ethics and avoided prison. Hillary was never qualified and as Trump stated many times never should have been allowed to run. Other lower persons would have been in prison for her email server but she was crowned.

The people who matter chose a populist middle of the road businessman, who the elite media has worked tirelessly to smear as a nefarious colluder with oligarchs in Russia. That excuse is nothing but a hoax, a worn out broken record with no merit. That the peons on the left buy into that narrative is mind-boggling.

Trump is a man who has spent his whole life building beautiful things; Hillary a person who spent her whole life destroying things and causing chaos. Her actions in Libya a good thumbprint of her "morals"; a sociopathic murderer without a conscience.

Yes the choice was stark and we the people chose wisely.

http://truthfeed.com/did-you-know-trump-won-2626-counties-hillary-won-487/38971/

(http://truthfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Screen-Shot-2016-11-09-at-11.25.00-AM.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on March 21, 2017, 09:46:08 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 21, 2017, 09:14:40 AM

The choice was stark and the American people felt deceived and were exhausted by the 8 long years of Hussein O, the Marxist Muslim Mistake. Nobody really knows how a "community organizer" became President of the most powerful nation in history; unless they dig deep and realize that his grandparents had been involved in the CIA. But I digress, that's now smoke and mirrors. Obama continues to try to harm Trump from the shadows but God willing Trump will continue to be the teflon President.

The Clintons are a crime syndicate unto themselves; never in the history of our nation has a political team had such low ethics and avoided prison. Hillary was never qualified and as Trump stated many times never should have been allowed to run. Other lower persons would have been in prison for her email server but she was crowned.

The people who matter chose a populist middle of the road businessman, who the elite media has worked tirelessly to smear as a nefarious colluder with oligarchs in Russia. That excuse is nothing but a hoax, a worn out broken record with no merit. That the peons on the left buy into that narrative is mind-boggling.

Trump is a man who has spent his whole life building beautiful things; Hillary a person who spent her whole life destroying things and causing chaos. Her actions in Libya a good thumbprint of her "morals"; a sociopathic murderer without a conscience.

Yes the choice was stark and we the people chose wisely.

http://truthfeed.com/did-you-know-trump-won-2626-counties-hillary-won-487/38971/

Thank you for your input, Confederate. I need to "digest" it (ie. to take some time to re-read and internalize it.)
I don't know this expression: a nefarious colluder

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on March 21, 2017, 09:58:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 21, 2017, 09:14:40 AM

The choice was stark and the American people felt deceived

'RIGHT' - that is why 3 million more Americans voted for Clinton !

Just how IS your guy doing in the approval ratings?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7XuqpHVwAAlkJn.jpg)

TomT may even come back, soon :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on March 21, 2017, 10:49:11 AM

Quote from: msmoby on March 21, 2017, 09:58:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 21, 2017, 09:14:40 AM

The choice was stark and the American people felt deceived

'RIGHT' - that is why 3 million more Americans voted for for Clinton !

Still peddling your 'alternative facts' eh?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on March 21, 2017, 10:53:56 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 21, 2017, 10:49:11 AM

Still peddling your 'alternative facts' eh?

Kindly point out where you find what was posted to be untrue.. take your time !

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 21, 2017, 11:18:54 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 21, 2017, 10:49:11 AM

Quote from: msmoby on March 21, 2017, 09:58:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 21, 2017, 09:14:40 AM

The choice was stark and the American people felt deceived

'RIGHT' - that is why 3 million more Americans voted for for Clinton !
Still peddling your 'alternative facts' eh?

Of course he is. You may recall that Jill Stein (with money from the evil Soros) insisted on recounts. Those recounts showed there was indeed voter fraud, in favor of Hillary the Democratic candidate. When there are 3 to 5 million unlawfully registered Mexicans voting Democratic, it's no wonder they hate Trump as his wall and his enforcement of the law crushes their voting base.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 21, 2017, 11:23:14 AM

Quote from: msmoby on March 21, 2017, 09:58:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 21, 2017, 09:14:40 AM

The choice was stark and the American people felt deceived

'RIGHT' - that is why 3 million more Americans voted for Clinton !

Just how IS your guy doing in the approval ratings?

Keep crying those liberal tears snowflake. Take a good look at all the red on the map I posted. With over 2 thousand 6 hundred counties for Trump versus less than 500 for Clinton it was an epic ass whooping. :-*

And approval rating polls? :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Yeah, the same people who told us Clinton would be President slant those polls.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 21, 2017, 11:32:09 AM

Quote from: msmoby on March 21, 2017, 10:53:56 AM

Kindly point out where you find what was posted to be untrue.. take your time !

Your facts are accurate but irrelevant.

As you well know The President of the United States is not elected by popular vote.

However it it makes you feel any better Hillary was definitely elected President of California.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on March 21, 2017, 11:49:38 AM

Quote from: msmoby on March 21, 2017, 10:53:56 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 21, 2017, 10:49:11 AM

Still peddling your 'alternative facts' eh?

Kindly point out where you find what was posted to be untrue.. take your time !

As Shakey (and others have pointed out on numerous occasions) the POTUS is not elected by popular vote. You know this and yet you still persist in peddling this angle, as if it makes a blind bit of difference.
You're nothing but a troll and a giant PITA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 21, 2017, 01:09:13 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 21, 2017, 11:49:38 AM

Quote from: msmoby on March 21, 2017, 10:53:56 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on March 21, 2017, 10:49:11 AM

Still peddling your 'alternative facts' eh?

Kindly point out where you find what was posted to be untrue.. take your time !
As Shakey (and others have pointed out on numerous occasions) the POTUS is not elected by popular vote. You know this and yet you still persist in peddling this angle, as if it makes a blind bit of difference.
You're nothing but a troll and a giant PITA.

Is this how his points are in regards to Brexit? Immaterial?

TBH though I love pointing out to him that Trump won so many counties. And I like Shakespeare's joke as well. Hillary is the President of California! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 21, 2017, 02:24:19 PM

LOL! This sums up the "russia, russia, russia" nonsense really well.

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Saudi Arabia bankrolled Hillary's presidential run
And George Soros did too

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/844293338522161152

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 21, 2017, 07:00:03 PM

Quote from: Volshe on March 21, 2017, 09:46:08 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 21, 2017, 09:14:40 AM

The choice was stark and the American people felt deceived and were exhausted by the 8 long years of Hussein O, the Marxist Muslim Mistake. Nobody really knows how a "community organizer" became President of the most powerful nation in history; unless they dig deep and realize that his grandparents had been involved in the CIA. But I digress, that's now smoke and mirrors. Obama continues to try to harm Trump from the shadows but God willing Trump will continue to be the teflon President.

The Clintons are a crime syndicate unto themselves; never in the history of our nation has a political team had such low ethics and avoided prison. Hillary was never qualified and as Trump stated many times never should have been allowed to run. Other lower persons would have been in prison for her email server but she was crowned.

The people who matter chose a populist middle of the road businessman, who the elite media has worked tirelessly to smear as a nefarious colluder with oligarchs in Russia. That excuse is nothing but a hoax, a worn out broken record with no merit. That the peons on the left buy into that narrative is mind-boggling.

Trump is a man who has spent his whole life building beautiful things; Hillary a person who spent her whole life destroying things and causing chaos. Her actions in Libya a good thumbprint of her "morals"; a sociopathic murderer without a conscience.

Yes the choice was stark and we the people chose wisely.

http://truthfeed.com/did-you-know-trump-won-2626-counties-hillary-won-487/38971/

Thank you for your input, Confederate. I need to "digest" it (ie. to take some time to re-read and internalize it.)
I don't know this expression: a nefarious colluder

There is the word collusion and there is the word nefarious. Nefarious means evil or unholy and collusion is immoral or unlawful scheming to break laws and moral codes, IIRC. As I'm sure you are aware President Trump has been accused by the Democrats and the RINO's (Republican in Name Only) of "colluding" with Putin and the Russians to throw the US election. In fact as Manny pointed out the wikileaks Vault 17 reveal shows that our illustrious CIA (lawbreakers of the highest order, but some are good people) could have "hacked" our election systems, etc. and painted it to look like Russian hackers, when in fact it was a false flag operation by rogue CIA agents.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collusion

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nefarious

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 21, 2017, 07:08:47 PM

The rumors I'm reading are that "Trump Care" (he doesn't like that name and won't claim it but it will likely stick) ie the Trump version of healthcare is not going to pass. Rand Paul and Ted Cruz if I recall and others in the "Freedom Coalition" are against it.

For Volshe: those guys are hardcore Constitutional free enterprise types and so it's not surprising they might derail it. I personally am not really sold on Trump Care but would prefer it to Obama Care 100 to 1.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-obamacare-idUSKBN16R2P9

This is a far better and more detailed article on the subject:

http://www.krmg.com/news/national-govt--politics/capitol-visit-trump-urges-republicans-support-gop-health-care-bill/d6E0LzeJe4SfkE1PLUOfbL/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 22, 2017, 11:23:41 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 21, 2017, 11:32:09 AM

However it it makes you feel any better Hillary was definitely elected President of California.

Hillary would make an excellent president.................

Of France

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 22, 2017, 11:27:04 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 21, 2017, 02:24:19 PM

LOL! This sums up the "russia, russia, russia" nonsense really well.

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Saudi Arabia bankrolled Hillary's presidential run
And George Soros did too

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/844293338522161152

Communist China bankrolled Bill Clinton's candidacy. Russia bankrolled Hillary
via Bill Clinton speeches and the US/Canadian Uranium deal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 22, 2017, 01:46:21 PM

Boom! House Intel Chairman admits "incidental" Trump surveillance.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/house-intel-chairman-trump-s-communications-possibly-picked-incidental-surveillance-n737201

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 22, 2017, 01:53:00 PM

It Trump can't push this HealthCare Reform Bill through his Presidency is mortally wounded.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 22, 2017, 02:02:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 22, 2017, 01:53:00 PM

It Trump can't push this HealthCare Reform Bill through his Presidency is mortally wounded.

So says chicken little. :laugh:

(you're the same guy who told us Trump would never be President)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 23, 2017, 08:36:12 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 22, 2017, 02:02:08 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 22, 2017, 01:53:00 PM
It Trump can't push this HealthCare Reform Bill through his Presidency is mortally wounded.

So says chicken little. :laugh:

(you're the same guy who told us Trump would never be President)

Shakespeare is the George W Bush wing of the GOP and believes 80% of
the so called conventional wisdom. He believes being presidential is better
than winning and his political theories if followed would make the GOP into
the perpetual minority party.

It's the mainstream media that tries to mold and shape the conventional
wisdom especially as it relates to Republicans. The mainstream media doesn't
talk about mortally wounding democrats when they fail to do something. Only
Republicans can be mortally wounded.

The mainstream media has been listing mortal wounds to Trump since his
first speech. The media will continue trying to do this as long as Trump is
in power. Shakespeare has been buying into it all along every step of the
way. The question is if he will continue buying into the media narrative or
will he step back and look at the media for what they are. Left wing activists
with a statist agenda, who will do, say or lie about anything to move things
to the left.

The Judge Neil Gorsach nomination is just as important as the RINO health
care plan (RHC) especially in it's current form. It could be far better and we
deserve better. Currently it doesn't incorporate things like tort reform, selling
insurance across state lines, portability and carrying over of health savings
accounts from year to year and a dozen other things.

The Congressional GOP should have had this all ready to go on day one. I
think they were as surprised by the Trump win as the Nutters at PMSNBC.
They need to think big, they need to think bold, they need to think about
market based solutions.

I've raised a few teenage boys. Everyone of them goes through a lazy stage
where they do something half assed, that's what the RHC plan is. It's
a half assed attempt at fixing something.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 23, 2017, 03:44:15 PM

The smoking gun. :popcorn:

Not surprisingly to me, Obama is guilty but was hiding behind the usual BS that lawyers use.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/potential-smoking-gun-showing-obama-administration-spied-on-trump-team-source-says.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 23, 2017, 03:49:30 PM

Quote from: Popka! on March 23, 2017, 08:36:12 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 22, 2017, 02:02:08 PM
Quote from: shakespear on March 22, 2017, 01:53:00 PM
It Trump can't push this HealthCare Reform Bill through his Presidency is mortally wounded.

So says chicken little. :laugh:

(you're the same guy who told us Trump would never be President)

Shakespeare is the George W Bush wing of the GOP and believes 80% of
the so called conventional wisdom. He believes being presidential is better
than winning and his political theories if followed would make the GOP into
the perpetual minority party.

It's the mainstream media that tries to mold and shape the conventional
wisdom especially as it relates to Republicans. The mainstream media doesn't
talk about mortally wounding democrats when they fail to do something. Only
Republicans can be mortally wounded.

The mainstream media has been listing mortal wounds to Trump since his
first speech. The media will continue trying to do this as long as Trump is
in power. Shakespeare has been buying into it all along every step of the
way. The question is if he will continue buying into the media narrative or
will he step back and look at the media for what they are. Left wing activists
with a statist agenda, who will do, say or lie about anything to move things
to the left.

The Judge Neil Gorsach nomination is just as important as the RINO health
care plan (RHC) especially in it's current form. It could be far better and we
deserve better. Currently it doesn't incorporate things like tort reform, selling
insurance across state lines, portability and carrying over of health savings
accounts from year to year and a dozen other things.

The Congressional GOP should have had this all ready to go on day one. I
think they were as surprised by the Trump win as the Nutters at PMSNBC.
They need to think big, they need to think bold, they need to think about
market based solutions.

I've raised a few teenage boys. Everyone of them goes through a lazy stage
where they do something half assed, that's what the RHC plan is. It's
a half assed attempt at fixing something.

Excellent analysis. If the more conservative branch of the Republican party forces some better changes to the new Health Care plan, that's fine by me.

And you're spot on about our media. First of all they're chronic LIARS who push nothing but left-wing propaganda. They're not even journalists at all. They're mouthpieces for the DNC. Political HACKS who need to be unemployed.

This is why it's a HUGE problem to allow most of the media to be owned by 5 self serving corporations which push the globalist agenda. If a meteor strike totally destroyed CNN offices in NYC with Zucker and company inside I would be pouring some champagne. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 23, 2017, 06:55:41 PM

Quote from: Popka! on March 23, 2017, 08:36:12 AM

The Congressional GOP should have had this all ready to go on day one. I
think they were as surprised by the Trump win as the Nutters at PMSNBC.
They need to think big, they need to think bold, they need to think about
market based solutions.

You're showing your political ignorance.

To do all that in the Senate takes 60 votes to pass cloture. They will never get that. They're doing what they can in the reconciliation process that only needs 51 votes to pass in the Senate.

To just ignore the political realities of our government is naivety at its worst.

Trump's biggest campaign promise was to repeal and replace Obamacare. If he can't "whip up" the support of Republicans in the House to meet the 216 threshold on this "signature legislation" then the remainder of his agenda is in serious trouble.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 23, 2017, 07:27:53 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2017, 06:55:41 PM

You're showing your political ignorance.

To do all that in the Senate takes 60 votes to pass cloture. They will never get that. They're doing what they can in the reconciliation process that only needs 51 votes to pass in the Senate.

To just ignore the political realities of our government is naivety at its worst.

Trump's biggest campaign promise was to repeal and replace Obamacare. If he can't "whip up" the support of Republicans in the House to meet the 216 threshold on this "signature legislation" then the remainder of his agenda is in serious trouble.

You're showing your lack of imagination and creativity again. You sound
like Lindsay Graham (another RINO loser). Hugh Hewitt interviewed Graham
who said the same thing, then Hewitt explained to him in 10 minutes how to
get those different issues through reconciliation. Graham acted like a light
bulb went off over his head.

You can go to Hugh Hewitt's web page and educate yourself about it or you
can keep pretending to know everything. The problem with many in the
GOP is that they only think inside the box. The basic theory is that they
tie various provisions like interstate insurance sales with tax incentives
and/or disincentives which makes it budgetary negotiations which are
allowed to be negotiated in reconciliation.
http://www.hughhewitt.com/senator-lindsey-graham-ahca/

The much bigger deal is getting Gorsuch confirmed, which will require
a rules change or 60 votes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 23, 2017, 09:24:00 PM

Quote from: Popka! on March 23, 2017, 07:27:53 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2017, 06:55:41 PM

You're showing your political ignorance.

To do all that in the Senate takes 60 votes to pass cloture. They will never get that. They're doing what they can in the reconciliation process that only needs 51 votes to pass in the Senate.

To just ignore the political realities of our government is naivety at its worst.

Trump's biggest campaign promise was to repeal and replace Obamacare. If he can't "whip up" the support of Republicans in the House to meet the 216 threshold on this "signature legislation" then the remainder of his agenda is in serious trouble.

You're showing your lack of imagination and creativity again. You sound
like Lindsay Graham (another RINO loser). Hugh Hewitt interviewed Graham
who said the same thing, then Hewitt explained to him in 10 minutes how to
get those different issues through reconciliation. Graham acted like a light
bulb went off over his head.

You can go to Hugh Hewitt's web page and educate yourself about it or you
can keep pretending to know everything. The problem with many in the
GOP is that they only think inside the box. The basic theory is that they
tie various provisions like interstate insurance sales with tax incentives
and/or disincentives which makes it budgetary negotiations which are
allowed to be negotiated in reconciliation.
http://www.hughhewitt.com/senator-lindsey-graham-ahca/

The much bigger deal is getting Gorsuch confirmed, which will require
a rules change or 60 votes.

So even though I like Rand Paul it sounds like he is messing this up...Or you could say there needed to be more Rand Pauls than Paul Ryans. It's confusing, that's for sure.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 23, 2017, 09:25:55 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2017, 06:55:41 PM

Quote from: Popka! on March 23, 2017, 08:36:12 AM
The Congressional GOP should have had this all ready to go on day one. I
think they were as surprised by the Trump win as the Nutters at PMSNBC.
They need to think big, they need to think bold, they need to think about
market based solutions.

You're showing your political ignorance.

To do all that in the Senate takes 60 votes to pass cloture. They will never get that. They're doing what they can in the reconciliation process that only needs 51 votes to pass in the Senate.

To just ignore the political realities of our government is naivety at its worst.

Trump's biggest campaign promise was to repeal and replace Obamacare. If he can't "whip up" the support of Republicans in the House to meet the 216 threshold on this "signature legislation" then the remainder of his agenda is in serious trouble.

Trump is not a magician.

They say he's worked hard on this, and now given them an ultimatum. Vote on it or he moves on. He will work on other stuff if Congress cannot get their act together.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 23, 2017, 10:05:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 23, 2017, 03:44:15 PM

The smoking gun. :popcorn:

Not surprisingly to me, Obama is guilty but was hiding behind the usual BS that lawyers use.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/23/potential-smoking-gun-showing-obama-administration-spied-on-trump-team-source-says.html

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7oUlnAXwAMAmfc.jpg:large)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 24, 2017, 01:49:28 PM

The Healthcare Bill got pulled, sunk by the Freedom Caucus who IMO is living in the past. Next up will be Tax Reform.

Obama Care will sink by itself if not replaced, so for now the Democrats own it.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/politics/house-health-care-vote/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 24, 2017, 01:59:22 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 24, 2017, 01:49:28 PM

The Healthcare Bill got pulled, sunk by the Freedom Caucus who IMO is living in the past. Next up will be Tax Reform.

Obama Care will sink by itself if not replaced, so for now the Democrats own it.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/politics/house-health-care-vote/

It's a "body blow" to the Trump Presidency.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 24, 2017, 02:05:04 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 24, 2017, 01:59:22 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 24, 2017, 01:49:28 PM
The Healthcare Bill got pulled, sunk by the Freedom Caucus who IMO is living in the past. Next up will be Tax Reform.

Obama Care will sink by itself if not replaced, so for now the Democrats own it.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/24/politics/house-health-care-vote/

It's a "body blow" to the Trump Presidency.

No it's not. Not at all. You take every little tiny thing and magnify. It's going to be a "body blow" to Mark Meadows. Look for Trump to get some payback on that weasel for his lack of loyalty, which Trump alluded to.

As I said before, Trump is not a magician. We've had a "do nothing" Republican party for 10 years now. Which was okay before when they were in the minority. Now they have to learn to govern, as Paul Ryan said.

Obama Care will die a painful death in due time. Just goes to show how badly that Manchurian traitor screwed up the country though, that it's not easy to unwind it.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/benjamin-wallace-wells/how-the-house-freedom-caucus-dominated-trump-on-health-care

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on March 24, 2017, 03:14:31 PM

WHAT a loser this guy is proving to be ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 24, 2017, 04:03:06 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 24, 2017, 01:59:22 PM

It's a "body blow" to the Trump Presidency.

That's better than mortally wounded, so maybe next week it will just be
disappointing. They can do better than what they tried to ram through.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 24, 2017, 07:25:23 PM

Quote from: Popka! on March 24, 2017, 04:03:06 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 24, 2017, 01:59:22 PM

It's a "body blow" to the Trump Presidency.

That's better than mortally wounded, so maybe next week it will just be
disappointing. They can do better than what they tried to ram through.

So who do you fault for the failure of this thing? Paul Ryan? President Trump? Or the Freedom Caucus?

I think it's pretty shameful that Democrats can get things done but Republicans lately never can.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on March 24, 2017, 07:56:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2017, 06:55:41 PM

Quote from: Popka! on March 23, 2017, 08:36:12 AM
The Congressional GOP should have had this all ready to go on day one. I
think they were as surprised by the Trump win as the Nutters at PMSNBC.
They need to think big, they need to think bold, they need to think about
market based solutions.

You're showing your political ignorance.

To do all that in the Senate takes 60 votes to pass cloture. They will never get that. They're doing what they can in the reconciliation process that only needs 51 votes to pass in the Senate.

To just ignore the political realities of our government is naivety at its worst.

Trump's biggest campaign promise was to repeal and replace Obamacare. If he can't "whip up" the support of Republicans in the House to meet the 216 threshold on this "signature legislation" then the remainder of his agenda is in serious trouble.

Right now Trump does not have a majority in anything because of the never Trump republicans. Trump is working on showing the public of the US that his agenda can only happen if the vote out the never trump people and elect more friendly republicans in 2018. Trump is saying to everybody vote for the new health care law or be ready to explain to your voters why you voted to keep Obama care in the 2018 elections.

No president in modern time has faced so much hostilely as Trump has. The Dem are spending millions to keep Obama care. The globalist are spending much more to try to stop the Trump agenda. The pro-globalist press attack. Millions more are being spent to try to impeach him. He has a secrete phone call with world leaders and two days latter a transcript of the call is in the Washington post. Obama lives near by trying to used his influence with his appointees still in office and other government employees friendly to him to undermined everything Trump is trying to do.

If the voters of the USA want to make the US great again it very well take one more election. If we the people of the USA can not do this maybe we deserve Obama care and the rest of the stuff the globalist want for the us.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 24, 2017, 08:16:45 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on March 24, 2017, 07:56:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2017, 06:55:41 PM
Quote from: Popka! on March 23, 2017, 08:36:12 AM
The Congressional GOP should have had this all ready to go on day one. I
think they were as surprised by the Trump win as the Nutters at PMSNBC.
They need to think big, they need to think bold, they need to think about
market based solutions.

You're showing your political ignorance.

To do all that in the Senate takes 60 votes to pass cloture. They will never get that. They're doing what they can in the reconciliation process that only needs 51 votes to pass in the Senate.

To just ignore the political realities of our government is naivety at its worst.

Trump's biggest campaign promise was to repeal and replace Obamacare. If he can't "whip up" the support of Republicans in the House to meet the 216 threshold on this "signature legislation" then the remainder of his agenda is in serious trouble.

Right now Trump does not have a majority in anything because of the never Trump republicans. Trump is working on showing the public of the US that his agenda can only happen if the vote out the never trump people and elect more friendly republicans in 2018. Trump is saying to everybody vote for the new health care law or be ready to explain to your voters why you voted to keep Obama care in the 2018 elections.

No president in modern time has faced so much hostilely as Trump has. The Dem are spending millions to keep Obama care. The globalist are spending much more to try to stop the Trump agenda. The pro-globalist press attack. Millions more are being spent to try to impeach him. He has a secrete phone call with world leaders and two days latter a transcript of the call is in the Washington post. Obama lives near by trying to used his influence with his appointees still in office and other government employees friendly to him to undermined everything Trump is trying to do.

If the voters of the USA want to make the US great again it very well take one more election. If we the people of the USA can not do this maybe we deserve Obama care and the rest of the stuff the globalist want for the us.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 25, 2017, 05:26:41 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2017, 03:42:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 07, 2017, 03:10:17 PM

Okay, well I believe he's just playing to his base, and it was a way to throw the "Russian" story back in the face of the media. Sure you've got some points there and I've admitted I wish he would go about his business more stealthily. Let's assume he's still learning on the job. :laugh:

He's President now. He needs to understand that cavalierly libelling his predecessor just to impress his base certainly doesn't make him appear "Presidential" to the rest of the country or the rest of the world. It really does make him appear to have serious mental issues.

Or maybe Trump has been right about wiretapping all along.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/14756/12-pieces-proof-msm-knew-obama-spied-trump-and-john-nolte#

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 25, 2017, 05:57:51 AM

Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?
Not a command, the King not guilty of ordering a murder and yet the King was soon rid, in bloody fashion of the priest who discomfitted him.

The choices of words in this and similar cases is interesting. It certainly seems that Team Trump was under surveillance. It seems likely that the previous administration was aware of information derived from such surveillance.

Whether the outmoded form of surveillance was 'wiretapping' or something more modern should be irrelevant. It is almost certain that Obama did not directly order surveillance but it seems very likely that he knew of it and that his political party used it.

So, how much hair splitting do you USAians want to do in order to allow your political system to become even more debased?

No matter which of the major political parties you support you should be incensed at the abuses that have clearly been happening whilst the previous incumbent of your country's highest office, at the least, did nothing and at the worst organised and empowered treachery.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on March 25, 2017, 07:40:35 AM

My suscpicion is that the US political system has a way to go before it hits bottom. I do fear what will arise from the debacle.

As for all the wire tapping Bull S h i t , it seems the info that was collected on Team Trump was incidental and collateral. There is no ‘evidence’ so far presented to point to any thing else.

Presently there are far more important issues that are not being addressed.

Av

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 25, 2017, 11:06:02 AM

Whether surveillance data that is leaked and used as kompromat was collected whilst some other operation was in progress is actually irrelevant. Its illegal transmission and use is the big thing. However, given the circumstances and context giving ones operation a cover story would, I am you'd agree basic to any covert surveillance.

Back to 'who will rid me of this turbulent priest'.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 25, 2017, 01:28:53 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 24, 2017, 07:25:23 PM

So who do you fault for the failure of this thing? Paul Ryan? President Trump? Or the Freedom Caucus?

I think it's pretty shameful that Democrats can get things done but Republicans lately never can.

I blame primarily blame Ryan for putting together a secret health care plan,
with a dubious three step strategy that was never going to work and then
trying to twist arms to get it to pass. He and the GOP House leadership half
assed this. They put together a plan that was better than Obamacare but not
good enough for the American people.

Trump ran on repeal and replace along with selling insurance across state lines.
Ryan came up with his little RINO plan and showed it to NOBODY, and tried to
force it through like ~~Bela Legosi~~ Nancy Pelosi before him. He should have
put together a consensus plan before the elections, had it on the internet so everybody could see it and run on it. When they won they would have a mandate.

Now what he needs to do is to scrap the old plan. Make a new one and put it up
publicly on the internet. Go around the country and build up support for it. Then
he needs to have a vote on it.

He didn't do the work required to get something of this magnitude done. He
half-assed it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on March 25, 2017, 01:41:47 PM

Quote from: Popka! on March 25, 2017, 01:28:53 PM

~~Bela Legosi~~ Nancy Pelosi

:ROFL:

I record for myself Last Week Tonight and watch it when i have the time. I am not sure when this one was aired, but i saw it just last night:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 25, 2017, 02:01:35 PM

Quote from: Popka! on March 25, 2017, 01:28:53 PM

Now what he needs to do is to scrap the old plan. Make a new one and put it up
publicly on the internet. Go around the country and build up support for it. Then
he needs to have a vote on it.

He didn't do the work required to get something of this magnitude done. He
half-assed it.

Like you wrote sounds like he should have done this first. Hopefully it gets done, however if due to a Republican "civil war" they cannot govern, than they deserve to lose in 2018.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 25, 2017, 02:05:56 PM

Quote from: Volshe on March 25, 2017, 01:41:47 PM

Quote from: Popka! on March 25, 2017, 01:28:53 PM
~~Bela Legosi~~ Nancy Pelosi

:ROFL:

I record for myself Last Week Tonight and watch it when i have the time. I am not sure when this one was aired, but i saw it just last night:

I did not care for his joke about our First Lady but otherwise funny stuff. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 25, 2017, 02:10:32 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 25, 2017, 11:06:02 AM

Whether surveillance data that is leaked and used as kompromat was collected whilst some other operation was in progress is actually irrelevant. Its illegal transmission and use is the big thing. However, given the circumstances and context giving ones operation a cover story would, I am you'd agree basic to any covert surveillance.

Back to 'who will rid me of this turbulent priest'.

The Democrats and other weasels involved in the surveillance of Trump tower have been using semantics to deny their actions. Brennan the former CIA chief was wiretapping others, just happened to "unmask" Trump and they call it "incidental". Yeah, whatever weasels.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on March 25, 2017, 02:14:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 25, 2017, 02:05:56 PM

I did not care for his joke about our First Lady but otherwise funny stuff. :)

Thanks. I also felt that wasn't necessary, i am kinda tired of Melania-jokes. (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 25, 2017, 02:35:53 PM

Meanwhile this happened in Huntington Beach, CA. Antifa scum grabs the flag from a Trump supporter and gets a good beat-down. In Philly the Antifa scum shut down a large Trump rally with smoke bombs and violence. The Trump rally people had kept to their side but the Antifa people went over and attacked them.

https://twitter.com/TheSaintPepe/status/845726026978250754

In Hollywood they had a peaceful rally as the Antifa scum stayed away.
Notice there are a lot of Latinos in support of Trump. The media never tells that story.

https://twitter.com/latinaafortrump/status/845713176964431872

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 25, 2017, 04:12:48 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 25, 2017, 02:01:35 PM

Like you wrote sounds like he should have done this first. Hopefully it gets done, however if due to a Republican "civil war" they cannot govern, than they deserve to lose in 2018.

Sure they do, but I haven't given up on the weak spined House republicans yet.
They all (100%) ran on repeal and replace, they all signed on and they all have
to run for reelection. In my opinion they half assed it. Now they need to be sent
back out and told to do it the right way by Trump and his team.

Trump needs to go out and sell them on the idea. He's the president not them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 25, 2017, 05:39:05 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 25, 2017, 02:35:53 PM

Meanwhile this happened in Huntington Beach, CA. Antifa scum grabs the flag from a Trump supporter and gets a good beat-down. In Philly the Antifa scum shut down a large Trump rally with smoke bombs and violence. The Trump rally people had kept to their side but the Antifa people went over and attacked them.

https://twitter.com/TheSaintPepe/status/845726026978250754

In Hollywood they had a peaceful rally as the Antifa scum stayed away.
Notice there are a lot of Latinos in support of Trump. The media never tells that story.

https://twitter.com/latinaafortrump/status/845713176964431872

In Huntington Beach an Antifa thug maced a middle-aged female Trump supporter which started the ruckus.
In Philly Antifa outnumbered Trump supporters 3 to 1 so the pro-Trump march was cancelled. Back in HB pro-Trump supporters outnumbered Antifa so they were not bullied.

https://twitter.com/KamVTV/status/845786658821685248

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 25, 2017, 07:16:52 PM

Quote from: Popka! on March 25, 2017, 04:12:48 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 25, 2017, 02:01:35 PM
Like you wrote sounds like he should have done this first. Hopefully it gets done, however if due to a Republican "civil war" they cannot govern, than they deserve to lose in 2018.

Sure they do, but I haven't given up on the weak spined House republicans yet.
They all (100%) ran on repeal and replace, they all signed on and they all have
to run for reelection. In my opinion they half assed it. Now they need to be sent
back out and told to do it the right way by Trump and his team.

Trump needs to go out and sell them on the idea. He's the president not them.

Paul Ryan secret meeting with Obama people?

http://usapoliticsnow.com/breaking-paul-ryan-secret-meeting-hour-killed-healthcare-bill/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7xYW-2W4AAdp5i.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 25, 2017, 07:44:55 PM

Not today Antifa scum! 3 Antifa members arrested for illegal felony use of pepper spray on Trump supporters. Notice he was wearing goggles and a mask as a way to protect himself from his own pepper spray (once it's sprayed it can go back in your face especially oceanside)

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/25/23/3EA2383600000578-4349390-An_anti_Trump_protester_gets_taken_down_by_a_police_dog_after_a_-a-65_1490485194060.jpg)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4349390/Violence-breaks-pro-Trump-rally-California.html

Antifa Communist coward hides his face.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 28, 2017, 03:21:28 PM

Vote to Replace Obamacare Back On

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/781144?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1721042_03282017&s=al&dkt_nbr=dpjueulc&section=JohnGizzi&keywords=Obamacare-Healthcare-Ryan&year=2017&month=03&date=28&id=781144&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 29, 2017, 09:25:36 AM

The press and Hillary have been trying to resurrect her career/image.
It's really a hopeless case.

In maybe her twentieth first post election speech, it's announced once again
as her first

Clinton jabs Trump in first major post-election speech
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0a963fd1689240398b9d41c76160a355/clinton-jabs-trump-first-major-post-election-speech

Trump demands intel panel probe Clinton Foundation ties to Russian uranium deal

President Trump argued in a pair of tweets Monday evening that the House
Intelligence Committee should look a deal between a Russian state-owned
energy company, Rosatom, and a Canadian-owned mining company with deep
ties to the Clinton Foundation that had ultimately placed one-fifth of U.S.
uranium interests in Russian hands.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-demands-intel-panel-probe-clinton-foundation-ties-to-russian-uranium-deal/article/2618614

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 29, 2017, 06:23:04 PM

Quote from: Popka! on March 29, 2017, 09:25:36 AM

The press and Hillary have been trying to resurrect her career/image.
It's really a hopeless case.

In maybe her twentieth first post election speech, it's announced once again
as her first

Clinton jabs Trump in first major post-election speech
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0a963fd1689240398b9d41c76160a355/clinton-jabs-trump-first-major-post-election-speech

Trump demands intel panel probe Clinton Foundation ties to Russian uranium deal

President Trump argued in a pair of tweets Monday evening that the House
Intelligence Committee should look a deal between a Russian state-owned
energy company, Rosatom, and a Canadian-owned mining company with deep
ties to the Clinton Foundation that had ultimately placed one-fifth of U.S.
uranium interests in Russian hands.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-demands-intel-panel-probe-clinton-foundation-ties-to-russian-uranium-deal/article/2618614

Not too mention that Bill Clinton was paid $500,000 to give a speech at a Russian bank which was a known front for Russian Intelligence.

If there is a tape of a politician with Russian hookers peeing on somebody you can be sure it's Bill Clinton, not Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 31, 2017, 03:31:16 PM

Russia hired 1,000 people to create anti-Clinton 'fake news' in key US states during election, Trump-Russia hearings leader reveals :ROFL:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/russian-trolls-hilary-clinton-fake-news-election-democrat-mark-warner-intelligence-committee-a7657641.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 31, 2017, 03:58:39 PM

WH: Trump Surveillance Reports 'Troubling and Devastating'

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/781906?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1721715_03312017&s=al&dkt_nbr=9j1itf3g&section=Politics&keywords=white-house-trump-surveillance-reports-troubling&year=2017&month=03&date=31&id=781906&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 01, 2017, 06:50:31 AM

Report: Private Citizens in Trump Campaign 'Unmasked' in Nunes Spy Data

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/781923?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1721718_04012017&s=al&dkt_nbr=shyc8pj5&section=Newsfront&keywords=private-citizens-trump-campaign&year=2017&month=03&date=31&id=781923&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 05, 2017, 01:28:15 PM

Trump Pulls Bannon From National Security Council

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/782675?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1722504_04052017&s=al&dkt_nbr=8ucobugi&section=Newsfront&keywords=bannon-trump-removed-national-security-council&year=2017&month=04&date=05&id=782675&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 05, 2017, 03:49:10 PM

NY Times usual propaganda. "Citing no evidence" means she's guilty as sin. B/B, Shakespeare? What say you gents on this?

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-citing-no-evidence-suggests-susan-rice-committed-crime/ar-BBzrxUq?li=BBnb7Kz

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on April 05, 2017, 04:15:44 PM

Impeached or assassinated by June 2017.

Either way, none of what he said he'd do has been done yet, where's the fooking wall?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 05, 2017, 06:27:28 PM

Quote from: Ste on April 05, 2017, 04:15:44 PM

Impeached or assassinated by June 2017.

Either way, none of what he said he'd do has been done yet, where's the fooking wall?

Trump is the only man who has stood up to the neocon desire to start WWIII with Russia over Syria and you want him impeached or killed. You're a sick man Ste. :sick0012:

He's done enormous amounts of things he said he would do but when all you watch is fake news you remain blissfully in the dark.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 05, 2017, 06:31:40 PM

Obama's Legacy:

Collected most taxes in US history at $30,000,000,000,000 & borrowed $11,000,000,000,000 with nothing to show for it.

But he pushed laws so that tranny's can pee in the girls bathroom. (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 05, 2017, 07:39:56 PM

This is actually not a joke. Research what Abe Lincoln did to the press.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C79ufUpU8AE29Lt.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on April 05, 2017, 08:13:41 PM

Quote from: Ste on April 05, 2017, 04:15:44 PM

Impeached or assassinated by June 2017.

Either way, none of what he said he'd do has been done yet, where's the fooking wall?

Ste,

You should know that a wall will take time. First the land has to be obtained. They are working on this as some of the farmers are wanting more for their land and others are not wanting to sell at all. This wall is a huge project like building a large free way for three thousands miles. It will take years to complete.

He has done everything possible with executive orders to up hold campaign promises. Many of the regulations that was costing business billions have already been eliminated. Our stock market has jumped up on this reduced cost on US businesses.

An effort was made in healthcare. There are regrouping to make an another one. This is huge legislation that will effect the way of every person in the USA. Ryan who sponsored the first bill has said they need more time to get it right so this delay maybe actually better.

He is being fought like no president in our history to make it hard for him to pass his agenda. He is doing everything possible to implement all of his campaign promises.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on April 06, 2017, 02:48:53 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on April 05, 2017, 08:13:41 PM

Quote from: Ste on April 05, 2017, 04:15:44 PM
Impeached or assassinated by June 2017.

Either way, none of what he said he'd do has been done yet, where's the fooking wall?

Ste,

You should know that a wall will take time. First the land has to be obtained. They are working on this as some of the farmers are wanting more for their land and others are not wanting to sell at all. This wall is a huge project like building a large free way for three thousands miles. It will take years to complete.

He has done everything possible with executive orders to up hold campaign promises. Many of the regulations that was costing business billions have already been eliminated. Our stock market has jumped up on this reduced cost on US businesses.

An effort was made in healthcare. There are regrouping to make an another one. This is huge legislation that will effect the way of every person in the USA. Ryan who sponsored the first bill has said they need more time to get it right so this delay maybe actually better.

He is being fought like no president in our history to make it hard for him to pass his agenda. He is doing everything possible to implement all of his campaign promises.

The man needs a complete oil change.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on April 06, 2017, 05:46:45 AM

Quote from: Ste on April 05, 2017, 04:15:44 PM

Impeached or assassinated by June 2017.

Either way, none of what he said he'd do has been done yet, where's the fooking wall?

Not true, employment is on the rise on a huge way. Adding an average of 252,000 jobs every month for the first 3 months of 2017 is pretty impressive

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/private-sector-adds-263000-jobs-in-march-adp-2017-04-05

And like Tex said, do you realistically think that wall would be built in three months? C'mon Ste, don't make it so obvious that you are grasping at straws. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 06, 2017, 07:38:05 AM

Ste and TomT are having backchannel communications! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on April 06, 2017, 08:23:06 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 06, 2017, 07:38:05 AM

Ste and TomT are having backchannel communications! :laugh:

It's a shame TT isn't around these days, I learned to enjoy much of his contributions. Was it the trump thing that's resulted in his absence?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on April 06, 2017, 08:32:42 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 06, 2017, 07:38:05 AM

Ste and TomT are having backchannel communications! :laugh:

Etherchannel! I'm teaming my ports!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 06, 2017, 12:27:54 PM

Quote from: rosco on April 06, 2017, 08:23:06 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 06, 2017, 07:38:05 AM
Ste and TomT are having backchannel communications! :laugh:
It's a shame TT isn't around these days, I learned to enjoy much of his contributions. Was it the trump thing that's resulted in his absence?

The same holds true for me regarding T2. And yes I think he was shocked into silence after the win of Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 06, 2017, 01:04:10 PM

I think its regrettable that BOTH political parties have become so incapable of compromise that 200 year old traditions in the US Senate which provided needed protections to the minority party have to be abdicated to get something positive done. That said, congratulations Justice Gorsuch. You are a worthy replacement for Justice Scalia.

West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin is one of a handful of Democrats who voted to end a filibuster on Gorsuch, criticized the “hypocrisy” of both sides in a statement right before the vote — saying both parties are sticking to “talking points” instead of trying to fix the situation. “This is precisely what is wrong with Washington, and if it happens, both Democrats and Republicans will bear the shame,” Manchin said.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 06, 2017, 01:27:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2017, 01:04:10 PM

I think its regrettable that BOTH political parties have become so incapable of compromise that 200 year old traditions in the US Senate which provided needed protections to the minority party have to be abdicated to get something positive done. That said, congratulations Justice Gorsuch. You are a worthy replacement for Justice Scalia.

I concur on both accounts. Sad but lets move on.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 06, 2017, 05:22:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2017, 01:04:10 PM

I think its regrettable that BOTH political parties have become so incapable of compromise that 200 year old traditions in the US Senate which provided needed protections to the minority party have to be abdicated to get something positive done. That said, congratulations Justice Gorsuch. You are a worthy replacement for Justice Scalia.

West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin is one of a handful of Democrats who voted to end a filibuster on Gorsuch, criticized the “hypocrisy” of both sides in a statement right before the vote — saying both parties are sticking to “talking points” instead of trying to fix the situation. “This is precisely what is wrong with Washington, and if it happens, both Democrats and Republicans will bear the shame,” Manchin said.

What's "wrong" with Washington DC is that Reagan gave amnesty to approximately 12 Million illegals who were quickly enticed to vote Democratic by getting a bunch of free stuff.

The Democrats, who previously had also been for improved border security sensed an opportunity to garner more votes in the future and became the party of catering those on the fringe. Gay rights for example is now bathroom rights for transsexuals. They will take all the 3rd World in and sink this country if they're not stopped.

In a nutshell Democrats hate this country and like Nero would burn it down for a vote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 06, 2017, 05:24:57 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on April 06, 2017, 01:27:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2017, 01:04:10 PM
I think its regrettable that BOTH political parties have become so incapable of compromise that 200 year old traditions in the US Senate which provided needed protections to the minority party have to be abdicated to get something positive done. That said, congratulations Justice Gorsuch. You are a worthy replacement for Justice Scalia.

I concur on both accounts. Sad but lets move on.

Not sad at all, their chickens are coming home to roost. Harry Reid pulled this nuclear stunt a few years back. Now Trump can stack the court and it will remain Conservative for the next 40 years.

Title: Re: President Trump orders military strike on Syria.
Post by: Tom Cat on April 06, 2017, 07:25:26 PM

Trump Orders Military Strike in Syria; Dozens of Cruise Missiles Launched at Government Targets

http://ktla.com/2017/04/06/u-s-launches-50-tomahawk-cruise-missiles-at-syrian-government-targets/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on April 06, 2017, 11:23:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2017, 01:04:10 PM

I think its regrettable that BOTH political parties have become so incapable of compromise that 200 year old traditions in the US Senate which provided needed protections to the minority party have to be abdicated to get something positive done.

Please. There's nothing sacred about the filibuster. It's anti-democratic in nature, and should not be used to block an appointee who has the support of a clear majority of Senators, as Gorsuch did, in fact, have. The Dems grumble about the filibuster when they're in the majority, but when they're not, they suddenly re-discover it as one of the Very Foundations of American Democracy^TM Although we're supposed to overlook the fact that the Dems used it to block civil rights legislation in the 1960s. Oops.

Oh, and to add to the hipocrisy, here are some Senators (former and current) who voted in favor of Gorsuch when he was nominated to the 10th Circuit:

Former: Barack Obama (D-IL), Joe Biden (D-DE), John Kerry (D-MA), Hillary Clinton (D-NY).

Current: Patrick Leahy (D-VT), Diane Feinstein (D-CA), Patty Murray (D-Al Qaida), Ron Wyden (D-OR), Richard Durbin (D-IL), Chuck Schumer (D-NY) and 6 others voting no on him this time.

Why? Because the Dems have their base who whooped up over Trump and this nominee that they can't do otherwise without getting "primaried", plain and simple.

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2017, 01:04:10 PM

That said, congratulations Justice Gorsuch. You are a worthy replacement for Justice Scalia.

We'll see. I hope so.

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2017, 01:04:10 PM

West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin is one of a handful of Democrats who voted to end a filibuster on Gorsuch, criticized the “hypocrisy” of both sides in a statement right before the vote — saying both parties are sticking to “talking points” instead of trying to fix the situation. “This is precisely what is wrong with Washington, and if it happens, both Democrats and Republicans will bear the shame,” Manchin said.

Blah, blah, blah. Manchin has to win the Democratic primary, first, then win the general election in a very RED state. It's hardly any wonder he's blaming everybody, so he can talk out of one side of his mouth during the primaries and the other during the general.

So where does that leave us? Well, the filibuster has been removed for all judicial appointments, just as it should have been long ago. We can also see which Dems who are running for re-election in states that Trump carried are the most scared.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 07, 2017, 10:12:27 AM

Quote from: B.B. on April 06, 2017, 11:23:48 PM

Please. There's nothing sacred about the filibuster. It's anti-democratic in nature, and should not be used to block an appointee who has the support of a clear majority of Senators, as Gorsuch did, in fact, have. The Dems grumble about the filibuster when they're in the majority, but when they're not, they suddenly re-discover it as one of the Very Foundations of American Democracy^TM Although we're supposed to overlook the fact that the Dems used it to block civil rights legislation in the 1960s. Oops.

B/B

One of the things that makes the Senate different that most other legislative bodies is the ability of the filibuster to insure some degree of cross party consensus before making decisions. The fact that US politics have evolved to become more divisive and less about compromise is in my opinion regrettable.

Judicial appointments have become completely politicized. The Obama appointed District judges that ruled against Trump's immigration policies (in violation of existing law) based on statements Trump made during the campaign clearly displays this fact. With politicians taking every slight advantage they can to advance their agenda, McConnell's decision to change the rules was the only logical choice he could make.

I don't think there will EVER be any more "moderate" appointments to the Supreme Court thanks to McConnell's action yesterday. They will all be extreme liberals or conservatives based which party is in the White House and controls the Senate. I think that is a loss for our country in the long run.

Trump needs to get out his pen and flood the Senate with Originalist judge nominations at the District and Appeals court levels just like Obama did with progressive judges for the last eight years. That appears to be the way the game is going to be played from now on.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 07, 2017, 11:13:35 AM

Trump supporters angry about the air strike against Syria.

http://www.vox.com/2017/4/6/15215376/alt-right-trump-syria

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 07, 2017, 12:04:19 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2017, 01:04:10 PM

I think its regrettable that BOTH political parties have become so incapable of compromise that 200 year old traditions in the US Senate which provided needed protections to the minority party have to be abdicated to get something positive done. That said, congratulations Justice Gorsuch. You are a worthy replacement for Justice Scalia.

While I do agree about the protections of the minority party, lately it's simply
stopped any legislation from being done. The Democrats have gone totally
nut-job left and are incapable of compromise. You write as if both sides are
part of the problem and that's simply not the case.

Trump did something pretty smart as during his campaign. He provided a list
of judicial nominees to the public. He can quite accurately say that his nominees
selections were supported by the will of the people.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 07, 2017, 02:32:20 PM

Will say Trump has had a good week. A new supreme court justice to be sworn in Monday. A great meeting with the leader of China, and taking command of the military showing he is a man of action.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on April 07, 2017, 03:01:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 07, 2017, 10:12:27 AM

One of the things that makes the Senate different that most other legislative bodies is the ability of the filibuster to insure some degree of cross party consensus before making decisions. The fact that US politics have evolved to become more divisive and less about compromise is in my opinion regrettable.

It is what it is. Politics have become demagogued to the point where the Dems think that the role of the Senate is no longer "Advise and Consent" but rather "Advise and Obstruct", which has EVERYTHING to do with Dems hoping to win in the courtroom what they cannot win at the ballot box.

There is nothing "sacred" about the filibuster, and it should have been done away with long ago, at least with respect to appointments, if not legislation.

Oh, and I don't buy into that self-congratulatory "Greatest Deliberative Body in the World" crapola, either. The British Parliament has at least as much claim on that, if not more, and there are probably others in the hunt, as well. Plus it's a stupid thing to say.

Quote from: shakespear on April 07, 2017, 10:12:27 AM

McConnell's decision to change the rules was the only logical choice he could make.

Precisely.

Quote from: shakespear on April 07, 2017, 10:12:27 AM

I don't think there will EVER be any more "moderate" appointments to the Supreme Court thanks to McConnell's action yesterday. They will all be extreme liberals or conservatives based which party is in the White House and controls the Senate. I think that is a loss for our country in the long run.

Not if it's "extreme" conservatives, who would simply say that there's no fake, made-up constitutional "right" to whatever the libs happen to want, such as for men to pee in the ladies' room, etc., and they are free to peitition the state legislatures or Congress...which they don't want to do because they know they have zero chance to get their particular "special snowflake" laws passed.

Quote from: shakespear on April 07, 2017, 10:12:27 AM

Trump needs to get out his pen and flood the Senate with Originalist judge nominations at the District and Appeals court levels....

Big time. Remember how Leahy cynically held up Bush's female and minority appellate court justices so the Dems wouldn't have to be embarrassed by voting against them for SCOTUS nominations? He then lied about the percentage by increasing the denominator to include district court judges.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 07, 2017, 07:29:05 PM

Quote from: B.B. on April 07, 2017, 03:01:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 07, 2017, 10:12:27 AM
One of the things that makes the Senate different that most other legislative bodies is the ability of the filibuster to insure some degree of cross party consensus before making decisions. The fact that US politics have evolved to become more divisive and less about compromise is in my opinion regrettable.

It is what it is. Politics have become demagogued to the point where the Dems think that the role of the Senate is no longer "Advise and Consent" but rather "Advise and Obstruct", which has EVERYTHING to do with Dems hoping to win in the courtroom what they cannot win at the ballot box.

Democrats have become certifiable loons. They literally would have been committed to a Psych ward 50 years ago for pulling the stunts they do today.

Congratulations to our new Justice; Neil Gorsuch. And congratulations to the USA. Were saved, for a while at least.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 07, 2017, 07:38:06 PM

Quote from: Confederate on April 07, 2017, 07:29:05 PM

Quote from: B.B. on April 07, 2017, 03:01:38 PM
Quote from: shakespear on April 07, 2017, 10:12:27 AM
One of the things that makes the Senate different that most other legislative bodies is the ability of the filibuster to insure some degree of cross party consensus before making decisions. The fact that US politics have evolved to become more divisive and less about compromise is in my opinion regrettable.

It is what it is. Politics have become demagogued to the point where the Dems think that the role of the Senate is no longer "Advise and Consent" but rather "Advise and Obstruct", which has EVERYTHING to do with Dems hoping to win in the courtroom what they cannot win at the ballot box.

Democrats have become certifiable loons. They literally would have been committed to a Psych ward 50 years ago for pulling the stunts they do today.

Congratulations to our new Justice; Neil Gorsuch. And congratulations to the USA. Were saved, for a while at least.

Shakespeare, do you feel better about voting for Trump? I think this was a major victory for Conservatives and the USA.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/04/07/gorsuch-confirmed-why-our-new-justice-may-be-even-better-than-scalia.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 08, 2017, 07:11:32 AM

Quote from: Confederate on April 07, 2017, 07:38:06 PM

Shakespeare, do you feel better about voting for Trump? I think this was a major victory for Conservatives and the USA.

My vote for Trump has been justified. Anything else he may happen to accomplish is icing on the cake.

I do hear from my "sources" in Washington DC that Trump will have the ability to make another nomination to the Supreme Court, probably next summer.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on April 10, 2017, 07:10:15 AM

TRUMP IS THE SWAMP: Trump's Jewish Elite MAFIA

Now you know who runs USA!

and a bit of history.....who created this terrorist state
and runs this country too!

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 10, 2017, 07:56:22 AM

Quote from: B.B. on April 07, 2017, 03:01:38 PM

It is what it is. Politics have become demagogued to the point where the Dems think that the role of the Senate is no longer "Advise and Consent" but rather "Advise and Obstruct", which has EVERYTHING to do with Dems hoping to win in the courtroom what they cannot win at the ballot box.

B/B

That unfortunately is quite true.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 10, 2017, 10:27:20 AM

Article on the trade deficit with China.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/10/news/economy/trump-xi-china-us-trade-100-days/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 10, 2017, 10:32:29 AM

Hollywood Trump bashing shows the disconnect from the reality experienced by most Americans.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/04/09/stephen-baldwin-alec-baldwin-snl-donald-trump-robert-de-niro-hollywood-liberals

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 10, 2017, 10:36:48 AM

This is typical of how the left shuts down freedom of speech and destroys a persons ability to think and explore ideas for themselves. Students engage in Orwellian totalitarianism and cut the speech of an author short.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/04/09/heather-macdonald-attacked-protesters-california-college-black-lives-matter-police

anyone who disagrees with the Commies on Campus will be shouted down like this:

MacDonald said she was called a "white supremacist racist-fascist" and footage of the event showed people yelling "[Expletive] the police; from Oakland to Greece."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 10, 2017, 10:41:26 AM

Fox news on "Four Pinnochios" Susan Rice.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/10/rice-claim-on-syria-chemical-weapons-gets-four-pinocchios.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 11, 2017, 06:03:56 PM

FBI got secret court order in mid-2016 to monitor Carter Page as part of Russia-Trump probe

https://boingboing.net/2017/04/11/carter-page-russia.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 11, 2017, 08:32:18 PM

Oh, the irony: Media now worried Putin snubbing Trump.

http://mobile.wnd.com/2017/04/oh-the-irony-media-now-worried-putin-snubbing-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on April 12, 2017, 06:22:42 AM

Quote from: B.B. on April 07, 2017, 03:01:38 PM

It is what it is. Politics have become demagogued to the point where the Dems think that the role of the Senate is no longer "Advise and Consent" but rather "Advise and Obstruct", which has EVERYTHING to do with Dems hoping to win in the courtroom what they cannot win at the ballot box.

B/B

)))

B.B, were you asleep in the Obama years ? EXACTLY the same tactics were used by the Republicans ...... with a Democrat President in the White House ....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on April 12, 2017, 01:49:40 PM

Quote from: msmoby on April 12, 2017, 06:22:42 AM

Quote from: B.B. on April 07, 2017, 03:01:38 PM
It is what it is. Politics have become demagogued to the point where the Dems think that the role of the Senate is no longer "Advise and Consent" but rather "Advise and Obstruct", which has EVERYTHING to do with Dems hoping to win in the courtroom what they cannot win at the ballot box.

B/B

)))

B.B, were you asleep in the Obama years ? ~~EXACTLY~~ the same tactics were used by the Republicans ...... with a Democrat President in the White House ....

Big difference...the courts have been well packed with liberals over the years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 12, 2017, 02:02:33 PM

Quote from: tfcrew on April 12, 2017, 01:49:40 PM

Quote from: msmoby on April 12, 2017, 06:22:42 AM

Quote from: B.B. on April 07, 2017, 03:01:38 PM
It is what it is. Politics have become demagogued to the point where the Dems think that the role of the Senate is no longer "Advise and Consent" but rather "Advise and Obstruct", which has EVERYTHING to do with Dems hoping to win in the courtroom what they cannot win at the ballot box.

B/B

)))

B.B, were you asleep in the Obama years ? ~~EXACTLY~~ the same tactics were used by the Republicans ...... with a Democrat President in the White House ....
Big difference...the courts have been well packed with liberals over the years.

The courts are packed with liberals, the media is controlled by liberals, Hollywood is controlled by liberals and about 90 to 95 percent of college professors push a liberal agenda, many of them full on Marxist.

We've got a very long way to get to equality -- what liberals push but what in fact they don't want.

When about 10% of college professors are full on fascist Nazi's who apologize for Hitler in order to equalize the at least 10% of full on Marxists who apologize for Stalin, then we can talk about equality. That leaves 40% who could be socialist but not bat-shit crazy like Antifa, and 40% who could be somewhere between Paul Ryan and Conservative like the Tea Party.

This goes for the courts, for government agencies and for Hollywood. IOW liberals can STFU & stop whining.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 12, 2017, 02:45:08 PM

Quote from: Confederate on April 12, 2017, 02:02:33 PM

The courts are packed with liberals, the media is controlled by liberals, Hollywood is controlled by liberals and about 90 to 95 percent of college professors push a liberal agenda, many of them full on Marxist.

We've got a very long way to get to equality -- what liberals push but what in fact they don't want.

When about 10% of college professors are full on fascist Nazi's who apologize for Hitler in order to equalize the at least 10% of full on Marxists who apologize for Stalin, then we can talk about equality. That leaves 40% who could be socialist but not bat-shit crazy like Antifa, and 40% who could be somewhere between Paul Ryan and Conservative like the Tea Party.

Liberals, Rino's and others think that the GOP should abide by the Marquess of
Queensberry while the left uses brass knuckle, tag team, gorilla warfare tactics.
The moderate GOP/Shakespeare's of the world need to stop insisting on that.
The left can dish it out but they can't take it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 12, 2017, 02:56:41 PM

Quote from: Popka! on April 12, 2017, 02:45:08 PM

Quote from: Confederate on April 12, 2017, 02:02:33 PM
The courts are packed with liberals, the media is controlled by liberals, Hollywood is controlled by liberals and about 90 to 95 percent of college professors push a liberal agenda, many of them full on Marxist.

We've got a very long way to get to equality -- what liberals push but what in fact they don't want.

When about 10% of college professors are full on fascist Nazi's who apologize for Hitler in order to equalize the at least 10% of full on Marxists who apologize for Stalin, then we can talk about equality. That leaves 40% who could be socialist but not bat-shit crazy like Antifa, and 40% who could be somewhere between Paul Ryan and Conservative like the Tea Party.

Liberals, Rino's and others think that the GOP should abide by the Marquess of
Queensberry while the left uses brass knuckle, tag team, gorilla warfare tactics.
The moderate GOP/Shakespeare's of the world need to stop insisting on that.
The left can dish it out but they can't take it.

Exactly. Like I said, if they really want "equality" then let's have it. I want Richard Spencer promoted to College Professor pushing hard-core extreme fascism.

Give the lying co%^*(&^%$ what they claim they want. Richard Spencer would equal out just one of the MILLIONS pushing Marxism on American campus's.

And fire at least half of Hollywood and replace them w/ Orthodox, etc. Christians.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 12, 2017, 10:15:50 PM

Hollywood star Susan Sarandon was harassed by Hillary Supporters for not supporting her.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/susan-sarandon-hillary-clinton-supporters-harassed-me-on-the-phone-video/ar-BBzLXWd?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 13, 2017, 08:51:51 AM

Sec. of State Rex Tillerson went to Moscow. I see these statements as an opening negotiating tactic.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/12/us-russia-relations-tillerson-moscow-press-conference

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 13, 2017, 05:13:44 PM

Trump is making good on his promise to destroy ISIS.
Today the United states military dropped the mother of all bombs in Afghanistan. No word yet on the results.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 13, 2017, 05:28:00 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/politics/afghanistan-isis-moab-bomb/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 13, 2017, 06:46:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on April 13, 2017, 08:51:51 AM

Sec. of State Rex Tillerson went to Moscow. I see these statements as an opening negotiating tactic.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/12/us-russia-relations-tillerson-moscow-press-conference

Putin Gave Tillerson Russia's Preconditions for Restoring Communication Channels With US

http://russia-insider.com/en/putin-meets-tillerson-what-does-it-mean/ri19594

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 13, 2017, 07:59:48 PM

Trump Makes His First Big Changes To Obamacare

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58eff57ce4b0bb9638e2b3b0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on April 14, 2017, 03:21:19 PM

So Trump has now bombed two countries in a week and is threatening a third.

The man is Tweeting threatening WW3 (deleted now but people screenshotted it); he has lost the plot.

I am off the Trump Train. The man is a menace, it's gone to his head.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 14, 2017, 03:34:56 PM

High Tempo: Assessing the Pace of the Trump Presidency

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/high-tempo-assessing-pace-trump-presidency-n746526

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 14, 2017, 08:00:39 PM

Quote from: Manny on April 14, 2017, 03:21:19 PM

So Trump has now bombed two countries in a week and is threatening a third.

The man is Tweeting threatening WW3 (deleted now but people screenshotted it); he has lost the plot.

I am off the Trump Train. The man is a menace, it's gone to his head.

Give it some more time. Ask yourself, was it what he wanted or what he was backed into a corner to do by the "deep state"?

He's trying to stay alive is how I see it. MOAB in Afghanistan a good thing IMO. Get rid of ISIS, as he said.

Syria possibly or likely a mistake, but I from what I read those in the military and other advisers convinced him.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 15, 2017, 09:04:32 AM

Quote from: Manny on April 14, 2017, 03:21:19 PM

So Trump has now bombed two countries in a week and is threatening a third.

The man is Tweeting threatening WW3 (deleted now but people screenshotted it); he has lost the plot.

I am off the Trump Train. The man is a menace, it's gone to his head.

You never want to put much faith/hope in a politician. They will always let
you down. Even Maggie Thatcher and Ronald Reagan (two of the best)
didn't always get it right. Hopefully, he get's back on track.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 15, 2017, 09:33:16 AM

Quote from: Popka! on April 15, 2017, 09:04:32 AM

Quote from: Manny on April 14, 2017, 03:21:19 PM
So Trump has now bombed two countries in a week and is threatening a third.

The man is Tweeting threatening WW3 (deleted now but people screenshotted it); he has lost the plot.

I am off the Trump Train. The man is a menace, it's gone to his head.

You never want to put much faith/hope in a politician. They will always let
you down. Even Maggie Thatcher and Ronald Reagan (two of the best)
didn't always get it right. Hopefully, he get's back on track.

The highlighted is the reality. Part of me feels a sense of pity for those who have put all there faith in Trump.

I fear there might be wide spread disappointment.

Trump is the proverbial 'Lions Den' ~ But his ACTIONS show a business leader on a fast track to become a politician.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 15, 2017, 11:35:23 AM

MOAB Strike Didn’t Need Trump’s Approval, Officials Say

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/moab-strike-didn-t-need-trump-s-approval-officials-say-n746806

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 15, 2017, 12:51:20 PM

Don't believe Trump when he says relations with Russia are at an 'all-time low' – the truth in Moscow is different

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-russia-putin-rex-tillerson-meeting-moscow-syria-air-strike-assad-all-time-low-a7682886.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 15, 2017, 03:58:48 PM

WATCH LIVE: Pro- And Anti-Trump Protesters Are Clashing Violently In Berkeley

https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/berkeley-trump-clashes?utm_term=.pvEm06QnB#.xrR1Z0y2D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on April 15, 2017, 04:29:44 PM

Quote from: Popka! on April 15, 2017, 09:04:32 AM

Quote from: Manny on April 14, 2017, 03:21:19 PM
So Trump has now bombed two countries in a week and is threatening a third.

The man is Tweeting threatening WW3 (deleted now but people screenshotted it); he has lost the plot.

I am off the Trump Train. The man is a menace, it's gone to his head.

You never want to put much faith/hope in a politician. They will always let
you down. Even Maggie Thatcher and Ronald Reagan (two of the best)
didn't always get it right. Hopefully, he get's back on track.

Name one politician that did fulfill all of his promises. :coffeeread:

All I can say is I'm sure that the US and the world are a lot better off with him than if Hillary got in.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 15, 2017, 04:39:03 PM

Quote from: d672 on April 15, 2017, 04:29:44 PM

Quote from: Popka! on April 15, 2017, 09:04:32 AM
Quote from: Manny on April 14, 2017, 03:21:19 PM
So Trump has now bombed two countries in a week and is threatening a third.

The man is Tweeting threatening WW3 (deleted now but people screenshotted it); he has lost the plot.

I am off the Trump Train. The man is a menace, it's gone to his head.

You never want to put much faith/hope in a politician. They will always let
you down. Even Maggie Thatcher and Ronald Reagan (two of the best)
didn't always get it right. Hopefully, he get's back on track.

Name one politician that did fulfill all of his promises. :coffeeread:

All I can say is I'm sure that the US and the world are a lot better off with him than if Hillary got in.

:thumbsup:

the drugs and violent criminals would still be flowing in from the south -- future demmocraps. now the "liberals" are whining and even screeching like idiots that someone has the balls to enforce laws already on the books and deport thousands of criminals.

from there I hope he uses heavy penalties against employers to convince the other illegals to go back and get to the back of the line where they belong. they could return if they pay a fine, but first wait for us to get some immigrants with the skills needed the most.

the military is happy because they finally feel respected again after 8 years of that treacherous turd Hussein O.

Business people are ecstatic and consumer confidence is at an all time high. Keystone will be built as will other energy projects.

the difference between the pro business Trump and a Hillary nightmare....I shudder to think how badly that would have ended.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 15, 2017, 07:49:27 PM

North Korea doesn't seem to worry about Trumps threats. They tested a missile that failed. Had it not, I wonder if the United states would have shot it down?

North Korea Missile Test Fails

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/784571/75

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on April 16, 2017, 04:42:15 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on April 15, 2017, 09:33:16 AM

Quote from: Popka! on April 15, 2017, 09:04:32 AM
Quote from: Manny on April 14, 2017, 03:21:19 PM
So Trump has now bombed two countries in a week and is threatening a third.

The man is Tweeting threatening WW3 (deleted now but people screenshotted it); he has lost the plot.

I am off the Trump Train. The man is a menace, it's gone to his head.

You never want to put much faith/hope in a politician. They will always let
you down. Even Maggie Thatcher and Ronald Reagan (two of the best)
didn't always get it right. Hopefully, he get's back on track.

The highlighted is the reality. Part of me feels a sense of pity for those who have put all there faith in Trump.

I fear there might be wide spread disappointment.

Trump is the proverbial 'Lions Den' ~ But his ACTIONS show a business leader on a fast track to become a politician.

I think, of all of us here, Manny's approach was the most honest and the most decent. (Speaking of pre-elections times.) Some of us, me included, were strongly against Trump, some were violently pro-

Manny's was the best in retrospective - he had said (paraphrasing) ok, let's see what the man has to say and offer... Without being overly enthusiastic, yet without catastrophizing either.

I was the one who used catastrophize ... ;D What can i say, I per one am pleasantly surprised by the fact that he hasn't changed the course of the politics of the previous administration towards our region. We expected the worst, so it turned out great for us.

I wanted to discuss something else though. I know there are few liberals among you (whereas most of my friends irl and online too are liberal), but do you remember the prevailing mood among the liberals when Obama had been elected? It was the same like among fervent Trump supporters this time - as if the Messiah had come...
I almost got thrown stones at (verbally of course) for saying back then that it's silly to expect too much of any politician... Not sure what is it in human nature, probably the inborn desire to make "fake idols"/ golden calf... A single person, be it US president or anybody else, can not bring about the change, only (messianic) change in consciousness can methinks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 16, 2017, 05:12:47 AM

No, whilst there was opposition to Obama after his first election the size of the opposition and the nature of the opposition are very different.

What we are now seeing is a very significant disconnect between his election positions and his post election positions - in terms of foreign policy.

Weeks ago I referred to the progress of a soft coup. I have no doubt that this is what we are witnessing. What we do not know is the degree of success of that coup. My surmise is that the coup is now pretty much complete and we are starting to see trump as puppet of the winning coalition.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on April 16, 2017, 05:22:07 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 16, 2017, 05:12:47 AM

No, whilst there was opposition to Obama after his first election the size of the opposition and the nature of the opposition are very different.

What "no"? Which part of my post exactly you disagree?

Quote

What we are now seeing is a very significant disconnect between his election positions and his post election positions - in terms of foreign policy.

It's what you personally see. I am not sure on what base you make your judgement, but the "we" pronoun certainly doesn't refer to the prevalent opinion where I am.

Andrew. I understand your desire to argue and to oppose everyone and anyone just for the sake of it. Please use someone else's posts for that matter, not mine.
You are in no position to write off anyone's personal opinion and no quantity of being rude on the forum will change that. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on April 16, 2017, 06:29:25 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 16, 2017, 05:12:47 AM

No, whilst there was opposition to Obama after his first election the size of the opposition and the nature of the opposition are very different.

What we are now seeing is a very significant disconnect between his election positions and his post election positions - in terms of foreign policy.

Weeks ago I referred to the progress of a soft coup. I have no doubt that this is what we are witnessing. What we do not know is the degree of success of that coup. My surmise is that the coup is now pretty much complete and we are starting to see trump as puppet of the winning coalition.

I agree that Trump's current foreign policy now is contradicts the foreign policy he fought and won the election on. I find the current approach very worrying indeed :o

I just hope he does not strike North Korea first. Such a strike would hand Kim Jong Un the moral high ground and will not find support from any other significant foreign power. Indeed it could be a disaster for his presidency...

My fervent hope is that he regains control of his foreign policy team and starts implementing the policies he was elected on. We will have to wait and see.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 16, 2017, 07:24:04 AM

Volshe, there's a difference between what we feel, what we know and reality. Usually, what we feel, when substituted for what we can know, is not a good correlator to reality.

Objectively, we (and this includes you) can see that there is a significant change between what Trump was saying before the general election (and shortly after) as compared to the present. This has led to a disconnect between his words uttered over decades and the actions now being taken under his authority.

This is a matter of recorded fact, no matter your 'opinion' about the man, his words and the actions undertaken under his authority.

Among all the analysis and criticism of what is going on under Trump's command I have yet to see a rational explanation of events that can be objectively suggested to be deescalatory. Not even those who support the volte face we have seen suggest that these actions are serving the purpose of making the world a safer place for its inhabitants.

We have seen quite a bit of cognitive dissonance going on as people struggle to fit the stories they are told to believe with what they experience of the world. Humans are pretty bad at reality. We usually seem to see the world through the perspective of an invented reality but from time to time that invented reality bumps up against the buffers of 'real' reality and that's when we get cognitive dissonance - such as, as is common in the US, the ascription of irrational actions to rational actors.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 16, 2017, 07:45:53 AM

Quote from: Volshe on April 16, 2017, 04:42:15 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on April 15, 2017, 09:33:16 AM
Quote from: Popka! on April 15, 2017, 09:04:32 AM
Quote from: Manny on April 14, 2017, 03:21:19 PM
So Trump has now bombed two countries in a week and is threatening a third.

The man is Tweeting threatening WW3 (deleted now but people screenshotted it); he has lost the plot.

I am off the Trump Train. The man is a menace, it's gone to his head.

You never want to put much faith/hope in a politician. They will always let
you down. Even Maggie Thatcher and Ronald Reagan (two of the best)
didn't always get it right. Hopefully, he get's back on track.

The highlighted is the reality. Part of me feels a sense of pity for those who have put all there faith in Trump.

I fear there might be wide spread disappointment.

Trump is the proverbial 'Lions Den' ~ But his ACTIONS show a business leader on a fast track to become a politician.

I think, of all of us here, Manny's approach was the most honest and the most decent. (Speaking of pre-elections times.) Some of us, me included, were strongly against Trump, some were violently pro-

Manny's was the best in retrospective - he had said (paraphrasing) ok, let's see what the man has to say and offer... Without being overly enthusiastic, yet without catastrophizing either.

I was the one who used catastrophize ... ;D What can i say, I per one am pleasantly surprised by the fact that he hasn't changed the course of the politics of the previous administration towards our region. We expected the worst, so it turned out great for us.

You expected the worst? Montenegro has just been approved as a member of Nato, which is what you wanted.

Other than that it's far too early to say much or know much about his foreign policy as it's slowly evolving. Rumors here are that he had to do the superficial bombing in Syria to placate the neocons. Russia was given advance notice of a pending missile strike (give me a break!)

The Prime Minister of Israel was very supportive of that missile strike, so Jewish and Israeli interests were served.

Not sure what it is you wanted, when you got everything you said you wanted or one would think you wanted. :biggrin:

Back home here Americans (normies, not commie "progressives") are ecstatic. The business community is very happy, as they finally have someone with common sense who isn't making a thousand new anti-business regulations. The oil and gas and coal people are happy. The logging industry is happy. All the blue collar people who do the real work of America are happy.

Trump supporters about his foreign policy are divided. I did NOT vote for yet another middle east adventure, so waiting to see how this plays out. Others super happy he has the courage that Hussein O. never had and that he doesn't telegraph what we're going to do to our enemies, to our enemies.

(imagine a soccer game ( football for you ) where the kicker told the goalie on a penalty kick where he was going to kick the ball -- that was the retarded policy of Obama)

I digress. Simply way too soon to know how all will play out. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on April 16, 2017, 09:42:52 AM

Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 07:45:53 AM

You expected the worst? Montenegro has just been approved as a member of Nato, which is what you wanted.

Yes, of course. But it was not expected, based on the pre-electoral campaign. I don't want to dig up the past now, but there were clips (promotional material during Trump's campaign) directed against Monte, and our membership in NATO specifically. (You can look it up). Basically, everyone expected the worst for us, given his pre-electoral flirting with Russia, that he would comply with Putin's politics in the region. Alas, he didn't, he approved our membership in NATO. I am not sure how you view it, but for us it's perfect. See what i mean?
(When i say "us", i mean majority of us, Montenegrins who vote for euro-atlantic integrations.) I understand it could make some not too happy for one reason or another, but in our case it turned out :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on April 16, 2017, 09:49:09 AM

Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 07:45:53 AM

Trump supporters about his foreign policy are divided. I did NOT vote for yet another middle east adventure, so waiting to see how this plays out. Others super happy he has the courage that Hussein O. never had and that he doesn't telegraph what we're going to do to our enemies, to our enemies.

Obama was not great for Israel, to say the least. Historically, the more conservative the US president, the better for Israel. (And viceversa, the more liberal - the worse.) At the same time, many of American Jewish intellectuals are liberal. You know that in that regard i am a Zionist. You also know that i don't pretend to have the answers, nor i am trying to persuade/convert anyone into anything. Just sharing my thoughts and observations, in hope that i can exchange them in an environment that's not too hostile :biggrin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on April 16, 2017, 09:57:34 AM

Quote from: leslied on April 16, 2017, 06:29:25 AM

I agree that Trump's current foreign policy now is contradicts the foreign policy he fought and won the election on. I find the current approach very worrying indeed :o

Me too, leslied. In fact, that's what i was trying to convey in the first post, maybe i explained better in the second one. But i am really focusing (and i am well informed only on) his politics towards our very region (Western Balkans). I didn't have the time to follow closely the global developments (that's why i am refraining from commenting), as i am really busy with other things, but i "reported" as it is when it comes to us.
It is contradiction indeed, but for us it was a welcomed one. (I understand the prevalent sentiment on the forum though, but as i said, i don't like to comment from the top of my head and i really didn't have the time that it takes to form a serious personal stance in other regards :duh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 16, 2017, 11:33:55 AM

Quote from: Volshe on April 16, 2017, 09:49:09 AM

Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 07:45:53 AM

Trump supporters about his foreign policy are divided. I did NOT vote for yet another middle east adventure, so waiting to see how this plays out. Others super happy he has the courage that Hussein O. never had and that he doesn't telegraph what we're going to do to our enemies, to our enemies.

Obama was not great for Israel, to say the least. Historically, the more conservative the US president, the better for Israel. (And viceversa, the more liberal - the worse.) At the same time, many of American Jewish intellectuals are liberal. You know that in that regard i am a Zionist. You also know that i don't pretend to have the answers, nor i am trying to persuade/convert anyone into anything. Just sharing my thoughts and observations, in hope that i can exchange them in an environment that's not too hostile :biggrin:

There's a saying -- the day Obama dies, will be a Jewish Holiday. :laugh:

While I am pro-Israel in that I believe they have a right to not only exist but to live in peace without hatred and violence from neighbors; Israel must do her part. With rights comes responsibilities. Building settlements on Palestinian land is not responsible. Expecting the USA to pay their bills is not responsible -- Israeli's should pay their own bills, or ask the Rothchilds who have assets of over 1 Trillion dollars to pay them. Ask other Jewish Billionaires who are pro-Israel to pay those bills. Someday the gravy train of the USA paying for the defense of other nations is going to end.

During the bail out for Wall Street after the crash of 2008 the average American taxpayer had to pay for that bail out, and the millionaires and billionaires gave each other million dollar bonus's. Since many of those guys (white collar criminals IMO who crashed the economies of many nations thru hedge funds, etc) are Zionists, let them pay for Israeli defense.

If you consider this discussion hostile, sorry but a real discussion discusses real facts. I don't think it's "hostile" that I should expect other nations to pay their own bills, and for Zionists within my country to choose a sovereign country to be loyal to, or at the very least finance that overseas country themselves.

You mention American Jews being liberal? We know that. Us conservatives of the Ron Paul mold or who can think for ourselves notice that Israel is an ethno state with a wall, yet those same liberal American Jews are wanting massive influxes of Muslims and open borders for the USA.

Stop preaching cultural Marxism and stop trying to destroy my country. Pay your own bills, and if you want millions of Muslim immigrants, then take them in Israel. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 16, 2017, 12:23:31 PM

Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 11:33:55 AM

Quote from: Volshe on April 16, 2017, 09:49:09 AM
Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 07:45:53 AM

Trump supporters about his foreign policy are divided. I did NOT vote for yet another middle east adventure, so waiting to see how this plays out. Others super happy he has the courage that Hussein O. never had and that he doesn't telegraph what we're going to do to our enemies, to our enemies.

Obama was not great for Israel, to say the least. Historically, the more conservative the US president, the better for Israel. (And viceversa, the more liberal - the worse.) At the same time, many of American Jewish intellectuals are liberal. You know that in that regard i am a Zionist. You also know that i don't pretend to have the answers, nor i am trying to persuade/convert anyone into anything. Just sharing my thoughts and observations, in hope that i can exchange them in an environment that's not too hostile :biggrin:

There's a saying -- the day Obama dies, will be a Jewish Holiday. :laugh:

While I am pro-Israel in that I believe they have a right to not only exist but to live in peace without hatred and violence from neighbors; Israel must do her part. With rights comes responsibilities. Building settlements on Palestinian land is not responsible. Expecting the USA to pay their bills is not responsible -- Israeli's should pay their own bills, or ask the Rothchilds who have assets of over 1 Trillion dollars to pay them. Ask other Jewish Billionaires who are pro-Israel to pay those bills. Someday the gravy train of the USA paying for the defense of other nations is going to end.

During the bail out for Wall Street after the crash of 2008 the average American taxpayer had to pay for that bail out, and the millionaires and billionaires gave each other million dollar bonus's. Since many of those guys (white collar criminals IMO who crashed the economies of many nations thru hedge funds, etc) are Zionists, let them pay for Israeli defense.

If you consider this discussion hostile, sorry but a real discussion discusses real facts. I don't think it's "hostile" that I should expect other nations to pay their own bills, and for Zionists within my country to choose a sovereign country to be loyal to, or at the very least finance that overseas country themselves.

You mention American Jews being liberal? We know that. Us conservatives of the Ron Paul mold or who can think for ourselves notice that Israel is an ethno state with a wall, yet those same liberal American Jews are wanting massive influxes of Muslims and open borders for the USA.

Stop preaching cultural Marxism and stop trying to destroy my country. Pay your own bills, and if you want millions of Muslim immigrants, then take them in Israel. :coffeeread:

Confederate, I am in Kiev, with a Achilles Heel that is not happy.

While I can understand some of the viewpoints you are coming from, you are close to becoming, dear old Wiz in rationalization. The reality is not as simplistic as you describe.

As I understand for security Israel more than pays its own way. And plays by its own rules and primary interests.

The social fabric of Israel is largely paid for or supported by and from the United States.

I suspect if you study some of the viewpoints of R. Paul, you might become uncomfortable. But in my opinion he is a light in the darkness of those inside the Beltway.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 16, 2017, 12:54:45 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on April 16, 2017, 12:23:31 PM

Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 11:33:55 AM
Quote from: Volshe on April 16, 2017, 09:49:09 AM
Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 07:45:53 AM

Trump supporters about his foreign policy are divided. I did NOT vote for yet another middle east adventure, so waiting to see how this plays out. Others super happy he has the courage that Hussein O. never had and that he doesn't telegraph what we're going to do to our enemies, to our enemies.

Obama was not great for Israel, to say the least. Historically, the more conservative the US president, the better for Israel. (And viceversa, the more liberal - the worse.) At the same time, many of American Jewish intellectuals are liberal. You know that in that regard i am a Zionist. You also know that i don't pretend to have the answers, nor i am trying to persuade/convert anyone into anything. Just sharing my thoughts and observations, in hope that i can exchange them in an environment that's not too hostile :biggrin:

There's a saying -- the day Obama dies, will be a Jewish Holiday. :laugh:

While I am pro-Israel in that I believe they have a right to not only exist but to live in peace without hatred and violence from neighbors; Israel must do her part. With rights comes responsibilities. Building settlements on Palestinian land is not responsible. Expecting the USA to pay their bills is not responsible -- Israeli's should pay their own bills, or ask the Rothchilds who have assets of over 1 Trillion dollars to pay them. Ask other Jewish Billionaires who are pro-Israel to pay those bills. Someday the gravy train of the USA paying for the defense of other nations is going to end.

During the bail out for Wall Street after the crash of 2008 the average American taxpayer had to pay for that bail out, and the millionaires and billionaires gave each other million dollar bonus's. Since many of those guys (white collar criminals IMO who crashed the economies of many nations thru hedge funds, etc) are Zionists, let them pay for Israeli defense.

If you consider this discussion hostile, sorry but a real discussion discusses real facts. I don't think it's "hostile" that I should expect other nations to pay their own bills, and for Zionists within my country to choose a sovereign country to be loyal to, or at the very least finance that overseas country themselves.

You mention American Jews being liberal? We know that. Us conservatives of the Ron Paul mold or who can think for ourselves notice that Israel is an ethno state with a wall, yet those same liberal American Jews are wanting massive influxes of Muslims and open borders for the USA.

Stop preaching cultural Marxism and stop trying to destroy my country. Pay your own bills, and if you want millions of Muslim immigrants, then take them in Israel. :coffeeread:

Confederate, I am in Kiev, with a Achilles Heel that is not happy.

While I can understand some of the viewpoints you are coming from, you are close to becoming, dear old Wiz in rationalization. The reality is not as simplistic as you describe.

As I understand for security Israel more than pays its own way. And plays by its own rules and primary interests.

The social fabric of Israel is largely paid for or supported by and from the United States.

I suspect if you study some of the viewpoints of R. Paul, you might become uncomfortable. But in my opinion he is a light in the darkness of those inside the Beltway.

You're entitled to your opinions and that's exactly what they are -- opinions. The USA gives Israel $200 Billion a year. That is NOT an insignificant amount of money, and yet many country's in the World declare that Israel's actions against their neighbors are illegal per International Law.

A few years back Israel pretty much destroyed Lebanon and caused them Billions of dollars in damages. The airport was destroyed, etc. What did those Billions of dollars in damage accomplish?

I suspect it is you who should study Ron Paul's positions, as he wanted to de-fund ALL middle east countries over time down to zero.

His son Rand Paul of Kentucky has very similar philosophies and is my type of Conservative.

I would say decrease their funding to half of what it is currently, but give them two years notice to prepare.

And actually it is pretty simple. If your loyalties lie with a country other than the United States of America, then move there. At the very least stop enriching yourself through fraud at the expense of the American taxpayer which is what a lot of crooks on Wall Street did (Christian, Jewish, whatever -- they should be in prison with Madoff).

My comments were not directed specifically at Voshe, but at those American liberals who want to turn the USA into a 3rd World cesspool, while expecting us to pay hundreds of Billions for the upkeep of foreign countries.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on April 16, 2017, 01:13:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 12:54:45 PM

My comments were not directed specifically at Voshe, but at those American liberals who want to turn the USA into a 3rd World cesspool, while expecting us to pay hundreds of Billions for the upkeep of foreign countries.

I have guests for dinner, so more-later, but that's really not the definition of liberal to which i refer. When i say "liberal" it's mostly the stance towards minorities, sexual or ethnic, of those who are already US citizens. This whole discourse was long ago, before the latest wave of migrants (for the lack of better wording.) What i do not understand is the loose views to Israeli interests. And i do agree with Av. Must run now :innocent:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 16, 2017, 06:28:05 PM

Trump's Travel Costs Add Up, Setting Him On Path To Outspend Obama

http://www.npr.org/2017/04/15/523960473/trumps-travel-costs-add-up-setting-him-on-path-to-outspend-obama

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 16, 2017, 08:43:16 PM

Quote from: Volshe on April 16, 2017, 01:13:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 12:54:45 PM

My comments were not directed specifically at Voshe, but at those American liberals who want to turn the USA into a 3rd World cesspool, while expecting us to pay hundreds of Billions for the upkeep of foreign countries.

I have guests for dinner, so more-later, but that's really not the definition of liberal to which i refer. When i say "liberal" it's mostly the stance towards minorities, sexual or ethnic, of those who are already US citizens.

Oh gawd, let me vomit. I shouldn't even give you a reply, since now you're pushing left-wing lies, propaganda in a thread about President Trump.

I suggest you stop watching CNN and do some actual research. First of all minorities are over-protected in the USA, and nothing about that has changed.

When I was much younger, about 30 years ago I applied to be a Police officer for a major city in the US. Women and minorities were given a 10 point advantage on the test, meaning I could score 8 points higher on the combined physical, written and interview, but dozens of minorities would be hired first.

White males are now a minority in that city and in fact the entire county. Do white males now get a 10 point advantage? No, absolutely not. Reality doesn't fit the narrative of "liberals", only fantasy and lies.

In the USA you should know that all liberals are Democrats. Do some research: the Democratic party started the Ku Klux Klan (southern Democrats). The Democrats started Jim Crow laws. It was Democrats who tried to obstruct civil rights.

It was a Republican President who led the civil war (Abe Lincoln) to end slavery. It will be a Republican (Donald J. Trump) who will rebuild our inner cities.

All major cities led by "liberals" are crime infested hell-holes, where black on black violence is epidemic, and I mean more dead bodies than Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined. Detroit? Looked worse than any war zone, bankrupted and destroyed by Liberals. Baltimore? check. Same problems, led by Liberals.

Liberal policies have destroyed minority communities, almost as if a Nuclear bomb went off. Parts of Chicago? Check. Led by Liberal Jew Rahm Emanuel. His kids go to private school with armed guards, the minorities? They live in gang infested war zones, destroyed by Liberal policies and amnesty for Mexican drug cartel members (ILLEGAL CRIMINALS, but votes for Liberals).

Must be nice to sit around, eat bon bons, drink capucino's and lecture Americans about "minority rights", after all you're an "intellectual". :ROFL:

BTW, care to tell us about Palestinian rights over there in Israel? They'e a minority, aren't they? :biggrin:

The largest group of persons on welfare in the USA are whites. My mum, a single parent was on it til she found a way off.
There wasn't any "white privilege" another Jewish Marxist piece of propaganda. Divide and Conquer and all.

Marxist propaganda makes hundreds of millions for CNN, ABC, MsNBC. People here have woken up though. We know who the liars are and why they push their lies, propaganda, misinformation.

Most homeless? white males. I befriended a guy here in town, military veteran, homeless. There's millions.

People sleeping in cars but working two jobs? Mostly white. No white privilege there. Go to Kentucky or any rust belt state. Mostly white, serious hard-core poverty.

The county I'm in? Serious white poverty. Probably 90% white and most scrape by on 12K a year or so. Food stamps, hard-core poverty, drug problems from Mexican drugs flooded in by LIBERAL policies, etc.

Local industry, logging, destroyed by Lawyers for an owl, industries pushed overseas by globalists, wages down, high unemployment or only part time work.

But there's a black guy in town, met him, nice guy, drives a Mercedes with a V12. Government job, got it with a Quota, doesn't matter who is or was most qualified, those go to (govt. jobs) mostly to women and minorities.

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 16, 2017, 10:48:12 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 15, 2017, 03:58:48 PM

WATCH LIVE: Pro- And Anti-Trump Protesters Are Clashing Violently In Berkeley

https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/berkeley-trump-clashes?utm_term=.pvEm06QnB#.xrR1Z0y2D

It ended up being Punch a Commie day. Trump supporters won big time. Did you see that Commie Biatch who tried to punch a guy and he whaled on her?? Equality and all. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

(31 seconds in, bottom left side of the screen Antifa woman dreadlocks gets drilled -- Antifa financed by Soros)

http://www.youtube.com/v/xtBsiYvKnn0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 16, 2017, 11:11:59 PM

This one shows the Antifa scum marching to the park which had Trump supporters. Antifa refuses to let Americans who love Trump support Trump at marches, so this time the Communist scum got their asses kicked.

Soros the same scum bag financed Maidan and caused all the death and destruction in Ukraine. He also financed the fraudulent Ferguson, MO destruction -- hundreds of millions in property damage.

Notice the Antifa scum wear masks and hide their identities, hoping not to be identified and arrested by Police after they commit numerous felonies.

We need to import some real fascists from Hungary; we'll have the Weimar Republic all over again.

According to Antifa, all Trump supporters are Nazi's. Sheer stupidity and nonsense. Life goes on. :popcorn:

another view.

Trump supporters were prepared: Antifa was setting of M80's and the Police left...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 17, 2017, 01:17:58 AM

Antifa cover their faces with masks in order to get away with serious crimes: they were throwing bricks and rocks which could have literally killed someone. Every rally they spray mace, which is a felony when they were not threatened (free speech is a "threat" to these losers). This man was hit by a large rock.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9jM8SSV0AA4vnB.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on April 17, 2017, 02:22:32 AM

Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 08:43:16 PM

BTW, care to tell us about Palestinian rights over there in Israel? They'e a minority, aren't they? :biggrin:

You mean Arabs with Israeli citizenship? Those who work, live their lives, among else serve in the ministry of foreign, army etc.? They are doing fine, thank you. Or you are referring to terrorists? They are not doing so well :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on April 17, 2017, 02:27:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 08:43:16 PM

But there's a black guy in town, met him, nice guy, drives a Mercedes with a V12. Government job, got it with a Quota, doesn't matter who is or was most qualified, those go to (govt. jobs) mostly to women and minorities.

:coffeeread:

You have problem with African American being successful? If it's so, it's pitiful. I am not racist and i am not going to participate in white-supremacy discussions. You are not supreme. You are equal as others. It's beyond me to talk on this level, sorry. I am afraid you get to enjoy your Ku Klux Klan - spirited party on your own.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 17, 2017, 07:37:17 AM

Quote from: Volshe on April 17, 2017, 02:22:32 AM

Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 08:43:16 PM

BTW, care to tell us about Palestinian rights over there in Israel? They'e a minority, aren't they? :biggrin:

You mean Arabs with Israeli citizenship? Those who work, live their lives, among else serve in the ministry of foreign, army etc.? They are doing fine, thank you. Or you are referring to terrorists? They are not doing so well :)

Wow!! Good attempt to deflect away from the obvious truth. No, I am referring to the 200 Israeli settlements, on Palestinian land. The roads which go to those settlements? Palestinians are not allowed to drive on those roads, on their own territory. Those settlements a violation of International Law and effectively racism and apartheid.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 17, 2017, 07:43:25 AM

Quote from: Volshe on April 17, 2017, 02:27:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 08:43:16 PM

But there's a black guy in town, met him, nice guy, drives a Mercedes with a V12. Government job, got it with a Quota, doesn't matter who is or was most qualified, those go to (govt. jobs) mostly to women and minorities.

:coffeeread:

You have problem with African American being successful? If it's so, it's pitiful. I am not racist and i am not going to participate in white-supremacy discussions. You are not supreme. You are equal as others. It's beyond me to talk on this level, sorry. I am afraid you get to enjoy your Ku Klux Klan - spirited party on your own.

Again, another huge swerve away from the truth.

I have nothing to do with that group, which was formed by the Democratic party. You know, the "liberal" party.

Quota's are inherently racist and sexist, which is anti-American. They essentially award a job based on skin color and sex instead of merit. One cannot have it one way and not the other. You deliberately missed the point, again.

I believe quotas had good intent back in the 60's and were a good way to help ppl back then, but the pendulum swung too far and it's now time to reward solely on merit.

The American way is to reward based on merit. We'll all be better off when we do that again 100% of the time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 17, 2017, 07:44:08 AM

Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 08:43:16 PM

When I was much younger, about 30 years ago I applied to be a Police officer for a major city in the US. Women and minorities were given a 10 point advantage on the test, meaning I could score 8 points higher on the combined physical, written and interview, but dozens of minorities would be hired first.

I was in a similar situation back in 1982 when I was mustering out of the USMC. I applied for a job at the FBI. My score on the combined qualification testing procedure put me in the upper 10% of all applicants. However due to the "Affirmative Action" requirements for federal hiring put in place by President Carter, white men had to score in the upper 2% to be hired. My recruiting contact even told me "If I was a black or latino man or woman I'd be offered a job on the spot".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 17, 2017, 07:46:19 AM

Trump DID promise to release his tax returns.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 17, 2017, 07:50:10 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 17, 2017, 07:44:08 AM

Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 08:43:16 PM
When I was much younger, about 30 years ago I applied to be a Police officer for a major city in the US. Women and minorities were given a 10 point advantage on the test, meaning I could score 8 points higher on the combined physical, written and interview, but dozens of minorities would be hired first.

I was in a similar situation back in 1982 when I was mustering out of the USMC. I applied for a job at the FBI. My score on the combined qualification testing procedure put me in the upper 10% of all applicants. However due to the "Affirmative Action" requirements for federal hiring put in place by President Carter, white men had to score in the upper 2% to be hired. My recruiting contact even told me "If I was a black or latino man or woman I'd be offered a job on the spot".

Exactly. What Volshe is missing is that quota's are inherently racist and sexist. A government cannot and should not award coveted jobs based on skin color; that's racism.

Merit is the only way and it's the American way. When we as a nation get back to that we'll all be better off as standards and expectations will be clear.

I took the written scored very well but I informed them I was withdrawing (my own form of protest).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 17, 2017, 07:51:49 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 17, 2017, 07:46:19 AM

Trump DID promise to release his tax returns.

He probably should. Nothing will make the libs happy anyways, so shove it in their face. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 17, 2017, 08:52:48 AM

Quote from: Confederate on April 17, 2017, 07:50:10 AM

Exactly. What Volshe is missing is that quota's are inherently racist and sexist. A government cannot and should not award coveted jobs based on skin color; that's racism.

Merit is the only way and it's the American way. When we as a nation get back to that we'll all be better off as standards and expectations will be clear.

"Affirmative Action" was a liberal concept that rationalized the belief that in order to equalize discrimination in the past against minority races, government and colleges should be allowed to practice "legal reverse discrimination" in their hiring, admissions and contract awarding processes in order to rapidly equalize the opportunity curve.

It's fatal flaw was that this practice was punishing the current generation for the sins of the past generations. It's the same theory that supports supports reparations for slavery proposed annually by Democrat Representative John Conyers (MI-13)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 17, 2017, 11:52:06 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 17, 2017, 08:52:48 AM

Quote from: Confederate on April 17, 2017, 07:50:10 AM

Exactly. What Volshe is missing is that quota's are inherently racist and sexist. A government cannot and should not award coveted jobs based on skin color; that's racism.

Merit is the only way and it's the American way. When we as a nation get back to that we'll all be better off as standards and expectations will be clear.

"Affirmative Action" was a liberal concept that rationalized the belief that in order to equalize discrimination in the past against minority races, government and colleges should be allowed to practice "legal reverse discrimination" in their hiring, admissions and contract awarding processes in order to rapidly equalize the opportunity curve.

It's fatal flaw was that this practice was punishing the current generation for the sins of the past generations. It's the same theory that supports supports reparations for slavery proposed annually by Democrat Representative John Conyers (MI-13)

https://twitter.com/PatDollard/status/854027688155258884

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 17, 2017, 11:56:33 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 17, 2017, 07:46:19 AM

Trump DID promise to release his tax returns.

The GOP ran on repealing and replacing Obama care and tax reform. They were given majorities
in both houses of congress. Did they do it? You react to whatever the media wants on whatever
day.

So you want Trump to release his taxes. Which year? You said returns.
Hillary released ONE sanitized year, of her 1040₁ for 2015, Trump is going to have like
a hundred K-1's per year.

The media/dems won't be happy with one year and two pages. How will they investigate everyone
of his companies, partners or investors? They will want to go after, ruin and investigate everybody
and anybody associated with him. They won't stop just because he releases a couple of pages.
They will just ask for something more, at which time you will agree that Trump should give up.

They will want to know what Trumps audit was about. They will want the notes, changes, findings.
They will want to interview the IRS agents that did the audit and on and on and on. They will always
want something and somebody else.

Trump should just brazen it out and refuse to release ANYTHING. He needs to put a stop to the GOP
being the only one who plays by the rules. As long as Trump refuses this, they won't be able to ask
for the next thing and the next thing. Anyone who thinks they won't immediately want something
else if he complies is kidding themselves.

Look at Hillary's phony return. Zero K-1's. She claimed her income on schedule C's and zero income
from S Corp or LLC or partnerships. There is nobody to go after or investigate on her Mickey Mouse
return

1. https://m.hrc.onl/secretary/10-documents/01-health-financial-records/Clinton_2015_Form_1040_with_Signature_Page.pdf

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 17, 2017, 12:42:19 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 17, 2017, 08:52:48 AM

It's fatal flaw was that this practice was punishing the current generation for the sins of the past generations. It's the same theory that supports supports reparations for slavery proposed annually by Democrat Representative John Conyers (MI-13)

In Article III, the constitution forbids corruption or forfeiture of blood. In the olden days if the father
committed treason, robbery etc the kids were guilty by blood and had to continue to pay the price.
This was forbidden by the constitution of the USA and John Conyer's can't usurp it.

I too support reparations for slavery. However, there aren't any living slaves or slave owners, so
nobody can sue or be sued. The US civil war ended 152 years ago.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 17, 2017, 12:52:13 PM

Quote from: Popka! on April 17, 2017, 11:56:33 AM

So you want Trump to release his taxes. Which year?

He did promise. He should be a man of his word.

I'd say his personal 1040 form, front and back for the last 5 years would be more than sufficient to meet this promise.

If the liberals demand complete schedules and tax forms on all his various company's and holdings that's when I'd tell them to piss off.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 17, 2017, 01:02:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 17, 2017, 12:52:13 PM

Quote from: Popka! on April 17, 2017, 11:56:33 AM
So you want Trump to release his taxes. Which year?

He did promise. He should be a man of his word.

I'd say his personal 1040 form, front and back for the last 5 years would be more than sufficient to meet this promise.

If the liberals demand complete schedules and tax forms on all his various company's and holdings that's when I'd tell them to piss off.

Shakey,

I was still editing my post when you replied. I wrongly posted in my first post that she only submitted
pages one and two of her 1040. I do tend to agree that he should keep his promises but only he seems
to have to do that. NONE of the GOP legislature has to do the same and NO Democrats need to.

They will always ask for more.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 17, 2017, 04:07:14 PM

Rebel Media interview of Roger Stone on the Trump Presidency so far. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 17, 2017, 04:40:15 PM

Quote from: Popka! on April 17, 2017, 12:42:19 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 17, 2017, 08:52:48 AM
It's fatal flaw was that this practice was punishing the current generation for the sins of the past generations. It's the same theory that supports supports reparations for slavery proposed annually by Democrat Representative John Conyers (MI-13)

In Article III, the constitution forbids corruption or forfeiture of blood. In the olden days if the father
committed treason, robbery etc the kids were guilty by blood and had to continue to pay the price.
This was forbidden by the constitution of the USA and John Conyer's can't usurp it.

I too support reparations for slavery. However, there aren't any living slaves or slave owners, so
nobody can sue or be sued. The US civil war ended 152 years ago.

Yet another reason "affirmative action" is a fraud and not needed. There's no "affirmative action" on an NBA court. End of story.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 17, 2017, 04:41:55 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 17, 2017, 12:52:13 PM

Quote from: Popka! on April 17, 2017, 11:56:33 AM
So you want Trump to release his taxes. Which year?

He did promise. He should be a man of his word.

I'd say his personal 1040 form, front and back for the last 5 years would be more than sufficient to meet this promise.

If the liberals demand complete schedules and tax forms on all his various company's and holdings that's when I'd tell them to piss off.

They have to constantly told to piss off; that's a given.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 17, 2017, 08:14:13 PM

This is the next real battleground for Trump and ICE.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9oVtIOUQAAkR9i.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 17, 2017, 09:24:27 PM

The First Lady has to nudge the President to adhere to tradition. :chuckle:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/watch-the-first-lady-nudge-president-trump/ar-BBzWWR8?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on April 17, 2017, 11:47:44 PM

Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 10:48:12 PM

It ended up being Punch a Commie day. Trump supporters won big time. Did you see that Commie Biatch who tried to punch a guy and he whaled on her?? Equality and all. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

She sure got her "privilege checked", finding out the hard way that gender isn't just a social construct, and then fell backwards landing hard enough to shatter her carefully constructed world view into a million, billion pieces. But hey, when you're playing "Daddy Issues! - The Home Game" that can happen.

The most brutal thing you can do to a woman of this ilk demanding "EQUALITY!" is to give it to her.

Incidentally, that young lady used to be a quite attractive, lovely girl (https://i.imgtc.com/I1AJ0ah.jpg) before she went away to ~~University~~ Political Re-Education Camp. That's the real crime, here, that she was turned into a Marxist zombie.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on April 18, 2017, 04:19:18 AM

I was a little shocked to learn family man Alex Jones has been going through a divorce since 2015. His ex-wife Violet is suing for custody of his 3 kids. His lawyer is saying Jone's craziness on air is just an act. That he really is a stable person. Then there was something of him having an affair with a InfoWars employee and setting up his buddy Charlie Sheen with a hooker. Strange.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 18, 2017, 06:06:41 PM

Antifa (or are they ISIS?) being forced to take their hoodies and masks off in Auburn. As it should be. They're nothing but domestic terrorists.

https://twitter.com/TheSaintPepe/status/854475945402552320

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 18, 2017, 06:38:58 PM

FBI used dossier allegations to bolster Trump-Russia investigation

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/politics/fbi-dossier-carter-page-donald-trump-russia-investigation/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 19, 2017, 12:39:28 PM

Neocons still pushing for conflict with Russia, according to Ron Paul.

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2017/april/18/ron-paul-neocons-in-trump-administration-are-pushing-us-conflict-with-russia/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 19, 2017, 01:40:03 PM

Antifa, financed by Soros, prepare to kill somebody. It's the Weimar Republic all over again.

http://vesselnews.io/combat-training-better-equipment-guns-antifa-prepares-war-berkeley-beat/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 19, 2017, 04:35:34 PM

Lindsey Graham has a man crush on president Trump. :chuckle:

Lindsey Graham heaps praise on Trump: 'I am all in'

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/lindsey-graham-praises-trump-237361

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 19, 2017, 05:38:10 PM

These plans were drawn up after the election. Now how authentic are we to believe the Russian think tanks documents are?
It's pathetic what these liberal pukes try to pass off as actual evidence.

Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - documents
(Quote)
. U.S. intelligence officials acquired the documents, which were prepared by the Moscow-based Russian Institute for Strategic Studies [en.riss.ru/], after the election

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN17L2N3

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 21, 2017, 08:05:54 AM

Susan Rice needs to testify in front of Congress and then go to prison.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/04/04/susan-rice-unmasking-revelations-covered-up-by-abc-nbc-defended-by-cbs.html?intcmp=sem_outloud

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 21, 2017, 10:38:16 AM

Domestic Terrorist turns out to be (yet another) a Marxist "Professor" at a College. What a surprise!

https://twitter.com/NewtTrump/status/855098949610459138

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 22, 2017, 05:37:48 AM

Former CIA director John Brennan colluded with foreign spies to discredit Trump.

https://spectator.org/confirmed-john-brennan-colluded-with-foreign-spies-to-defeat-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 22, 2017, 03:00:20 PM

Quote from: Volshe on April 17, 2017, 02:27:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on April 16, 2017, 08:43:16 PM

But there's a black guy in town, met him, nice guy, drives a Mercedes with a V12. Government job, got it with a Quota, doesn't matter who is or was most qualified, those go to (govt. jobs) mostly to women and minorities.

:coffeeread:

If it's so, it's pitiful. I am not racist and i am not going to participate in white-supremacy discussions. You are not suprem. You are equal as others. It's beyond me to talk on this level, sorry. I am afraid you get to enjoy your Ku Klux Klan - spirited party on your own.

You mean as opposed to Jewish-supremacy? Yes, we know, that's fine and it rarely gets discussed. This was a clever ploy on your part to shut down the discussion, and it worked (temporarily).

First of all I was discussing the unfairness of "affirmative action" which uses government quota's to enforce "equality" and attempts to "fix" wrongs from the past.

Since you apparently believe (as a European Socialist, whose defense will be paid for by the American taxpayer, and as a Zionist...yeah, more on this later) that the US govt. should fix inequalities-- I will play along with this idea as a quick rhetorical exercise. Now I already know that like every "Liberal" your concerns are not genuine, they're just a way for you to signal "virtue". When confronted with your hypocrisies and other injustice, you'll try to change the story, or as you did, shut down discussion by making false allegations, avoiding context, and then extrapolating a twisted version.

In regards to quota's and issues for blacks in America, I will listen to Walter E. Williams, Thomas Sowell , Dr. Ben Carson, Omarosa, Sheriff Clarke https://twitter.com/SheriffClarke, and other black leaders and Economists in America, who grew up here and have lived here for decades, as opposed to a liberal whose father was a member of the Communist Party of the USSR.

You have very little knowledge, virtually none. compared to black leaders here. You can express your opinion, but not without a rebuttal.

You still didn't respond to Israel's aggression against Palestinian's because you have none. Gaza being more or less a concentration camp. The irony of it.

If you have questions about "affirmative action" then ask Shakespeare or myself. Or a black economist, who grew up here.

Moving on: Since you believe in govt. intervention, let's have it. In Hollywood: controlled by Jews, many Zionists. However the govt. needs to right the wrongs of the last 100 years. Doing some simple mathematics, we can see that around 90 to 95% of Hollywood is Jewish, PC Marxist, yet they only make up 3% or less of US population. Conservative Christians (white) are about 40% then there are also Hispanics, Asians and black Conservatives of at least another 20% or so. Since the govt has a right to pick winners and losers; well a lot of Hollywood Jews will be looking for different jobs.

The other 37% can go to whites, blacks and Hispanics and Asians who are secular. Jews can keep 3% of the Hollywood jobs, since they only make up less than 3% of the population (estimates vary from less than 2% up to 2.6%).

How do you like Affirmative Action now dear? We also need to enforce it in the media. Oy Vey! Lot's of Jews will need to look for other work now!

And the banking industry? Blankfein and a few others will be looking for work. Madoff already in prison where he belongs.

Many of us Americans wonder why a minority race gets to control our banks, our media and our entertainment. And you? Still believe in equality? Pot, kettle, black and all. :-*

https://www.heartland.org/_template-assets/documents/publications/1813.pdf

https://www.creators.com/read/walter-williams

https://twitter.com/ThomasSowell/status/855104531893555200

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 23, 2017, 10:53:45 AM

Andrew, asked rhetorically a year ago 'do you know what Zionism is?'

My guess there are at least three different understandings and lots of ignorance present regarding Zionism.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 23, 2017, 10:57:57 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on April 23, 2017, 10:53:45 AM

Andrew, asked rhetorically a year ago 'do you know what Zionism is?'

My guess there are at least three different understandings and lots of ignorance present regarding Zionism.

Phwwwt. Watch David Icke if you've got questions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 23, 2017, 12:25:13 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 19, 2017, 04:35:34 PM

Lindsey Graham has a man crush on president Trump. :chuckle:

Lindsey Graham heaps praise on Trump: 'I am all in'

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/lindsey-graham-praises-trump-237361

That can't be good, Lindsey is wrong most of the time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 23, 2017, 03:53:55 PM

Trump voters don’t have buyer’s remorse. But some Hillary Clinton voters do.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/23/trump-voters-dont-have-buyers-remorse-but-some-hillary-clinton-voters-do/?utm_term=.d756c460443e

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 24, 2017, 07:23:03 AM

Trump unveils tax plan this week.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/22/trump-to-unveil-tax-cut-says-could-be-biggest-ever.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 24, 2017, 10:30:20 AM

Levin on why Congress should investigate Obama.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/03/mark-levin-obama-used-police-state-tactics-undermine-trump/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 25, 2017, 07:13:42 PM

These liberal judges are getting to be a real pain in the :censored:

Judge blocks part of Trump's sanctuary cities executive order

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/25/politics/sanctuary-cities-injunction/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on April 25, 2017, 07:32:42 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 25, 2017, 07:13:42 PM

These liberal judges are getting to be a real pain in the :censored:

Judge blocks part of Trump's sanctuary cities executive order

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/25/politics/sanctuary-cities-injunction/

For now. With Justice Gorsuch, we're 5-4 on the SCOTUS.

The funny thing is, the Libs are terrified that President Trump is going to enforce the law.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 25, 2017, 08:46:48 PM

Quote from: B.B. on April 25, 2017, 07:32:42 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 25, 2017, 07:13:42 PM
These liberal judges are getting to be a real pain in the :censored:

Judge blocks part of Trump's sanctuary cities executive order

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/25/politics/sanctuary-cities-injunction/

For now. With Justice Gorsuch, we're 5-4 on the SCOTUS.

The funny thing is, the Libs are terrified that President Trump is going to enforce the law.

B/B

Because 10 to 20 Million of them are criminals. The other 40 Million are a motley bunch of freaks and a few Million normies who wonder who kidnapped their party. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on April 25, 2017, 11:51:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 25, 2017, 07:13:42 PM

These liberal judges are getting to be a real pain in the :censored:

Judge blocks part of Trump's sanctuary cities executive order

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/25/politics/sanctuary-cities-injunction/

Ah, the judge that backed the Clintons and Obama administration by donating $200k of his own money to their parties.

Kickback has occured.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 26, 2017, 04:55:02 AM

Quote from: Markje on April 25, 2017, 11:51:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 25, 2017, 07:13:42 PM
These liberal judges are getting to be a real pain in the :censored:

Judge blocks part of Trump's sanctuary cities executive order

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/25/politics/sanctuary-cities-injunction/
Ah, the judge that backed the Clintons and Obama administration by donating $200k of his own money to their parties.

Kickback has occured.

It will take some time but this situation will be sorted to the benefit of the American people who voted for border security and a sovereign nation which does not allow liberals to protect criminals.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 26, 2017, 07:25:34 AM

Trump tax cut proposals will be rolled out today. Trump proposes cutting taxes for small business owners from 39% down to 15%. This is HUGE and would likely result in very positive numbers both for new business's opening up and for increases in employment numbers.

According to Trump there are Trillions of dollars which corporations and others sent to overseas tax shelters. With taxes being cut on corporations these funds will be repatriated back to the USA resulting in a renaissance of new jobs, new companies and robust hiring for existing companies.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/26/trump-tax-plan-reportedly-would-cut-small-business-rate-to-15-percent.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 26, 2017, 10:24:32 AM

Quote from: B.B. on April 25, 2017, 07:32:42 PM

For now. With Justice Gorsuch, we're 5-4 on the SCOTUS.

The funny thing is, the Libs are terrified that President Trump is going to enforce the law.

B/B

4 1/2 - 4 on the Supremes,

The Shakespeare part of the GOP gave us Bush I & II which gave us
Sotomayor (via Souter) and Roberts who thinks that the government
has the authority to tell us to buy things.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 26, 2017, 10:48:56 AM

A federal judge just handed President Trump a gift on sanctuary cities

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/26/politics/sanctuary-cities-trump-judge/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 26, 2017, 01:45:36 PM

I do hope that behind the scenes, the Trump administration has people gathering information on Hillary. It would be great to see Hillary get what she deserves

EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Aides Threatened Prime Minister’s Son With IRS Audit, He Says.

bhttp://dailycaller.com/2017/04/25/exclusive-hillary-aides-threatened-prime-ministers-son-with-irs-audit/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 26, 2017, 04:06:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 26, 2017, 01:45:36 PM

I do hope that behind the scenes, the Trump administration has people gathering information on Hillary. It would be great to see Hillary get what she deserves

EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Aides Threatened Prime Minister’s Son With IRS Audit, He Says.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/25/exclusive-hillary-aides-threatened-prime-ministers-son-with-irs-audit/

He's juggling a lot of balls. There's a very real possibility of massive riots and even civil war breaking out were he to prosecute Hillary. No doubt she should be. Susan Rice needs to be subpoena'd to testify about the wire taps of Trump tower.

Ann Coulter had to cancel a planned speech at Berkeley because the Antifa thugs promised violence. Trump should call in the National Guard if need be to ensure freedom of speech at that Marxist toilet. Berkeley needs to be defunded.

It's a long battle that is being fought and the left continues their criminal ways while our President so far continues nice legal ways.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 27, 2017, 04:39:23 PM

Brilliant Maxine Waters, pontificating on current events.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZFeknoyTFjw/hqdefault.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 27, 2017, 04:46:16 PM

Quote from: Popka! on April 27, 2017, 04:39:23 PM

Brilliant Maxine Waters, pontificating on current events.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZFeknoyTFjw/hqdefault.jpg)

With out doubt we need a Max Walters thread. But she would force some pro comedians to retire.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 28, 2017, 12:28:08 PM

Trump rally is 2nd best since JFK

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/28/investing/trump-rally-wall-street-100-days/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 28, 2017, 01:08:11 PM

Trump asking South Korea to pay for THADD system - yet ANOTHER unforced error.

His learning curve is very slow.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 28, 2017, 03:02:55 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 28, 2017, 01:08:11 PM

Trump asking South Korea to pay for THADD system - yet ANOTHER unforced error.

His learning curve is very slow.

Trump: 'I thought it would be easier'

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/28/politics/donald-trump-president-easier/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 28, 2017, 04:05:54 PM

Typical clueless liberals. :chuckle:

WATCH: College Students HATE Obama's Policies When They're Credited to Trump

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/04/28/college-students-hate-obama-policies-when-theyre-credited-trump-campus-reform

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on April 29, 2017, 08:11:11 AM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 29, 2017, 10:57:52 AM

Quote from: Wiz on April 29, 2017, 08:11:11 AM

Fascinating video, thanks for posting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 29, 2017, 11:28:32 AM

Lefty media meltdowns during Trump's first 100 days.

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/top-6-media-meltdowns-of-trumps-first-100-days

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 30, 2017, 09:09:56 AM

Kinda comical listening to the democrats and the liberal media. They're all saying Trump's administration has done very little during the first 100 days. In reality much has been started to make America great again!
What we have not heard from the liberal side is cooperation in working to better the healthcare system, taxes and other issue that need change.

The Democrats during the first 100 days have done nothing except complaining and protesting.

I guess we can expect the liberal side to show up for work, only to do nothing during the remaining term of the Trump presidency.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 30, 2017, 12:11:47 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 30, 2017, 09:09:56 AM

Kinda comical listening to the democrats and the liberal media. They're all saying Trump's administration has done very little during the first 100 days. In reality much has been started to make America great again!
What we have not heard from the liberal side is cooperation in working to better the healthcare system, taxes and other issue that need change.

The Democrats during the first 100 days have done nothing except complaining and protesting.

I guess we can expect the liberal side to show up for work, only to do nothing during the remaining term of the Trump presidency.

Today's Democratic party is completely worthless and needs to cease to exist or radically change back to representing working Americans.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-rgPGGXoAAWvzr.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 30, 2017, 12:17:07 PM

Meanwhile Boeing took out full page advertisements thanking President Trump for his commitment to manufacturing during his first 100 days:

The Boeing advertisement featured an image of Trump speaking in front of a Boeing airliner and thanked the president for his "commitment to U.S. manufacturing."

"Thank you, President Trump, for your commitment to U.S. manufacturing and to making American businesses more globally competitive," Boeing wrote.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/331249-boeing-manufacturers-run-ads-congratulating-trump-on-first-100

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-luLkbXUAAdBes.jpg:small)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 01, 2017, 11:05:42 AM

Oh good Gawd - more unforced errors -

"I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later, you wouldn't have had the Civil War. He was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. And he was really angry that -- he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War. He said, 'There's no reason for this.'”

Andrew Jackson DIED 16 years before the start of the US Civil War

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 01, 2017, 11:35:02 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 01, 2017, 11:05:42 AM

Oh good Gawd - more unforced errors -

"I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later, you wouldn't have had the Civil War. He was a very tough person, but he had a big heart. And he was really angry that -- he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War. He said, 'There's no reason for this.'”

Andrew Jackson DIED 16 years before the start of the US Civil War

I assume the quote came from Donald (noknowledgeofhistory) Trump. He has said more stupid things in the last 101 days.

Jackson as President though is interesting, he barred a forerunner of the Federal Reserve from continuning there practices.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 01, 2017, 12:08:35 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 01, 2017, 11:35:02 AM

I assume the quote came from Donald (noknowledgeofhistory) Trump. He has said more stupid things in the last 101 days.

{sigh} Yes

I understand what he was TRYING to say but . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 01, 2017, 12:13:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 01, 2017, 12:08:35 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 01, 2017, 11:35:02 AM

I assume the quote came from Donald (noknowledgeofhistory) Trump. He has said more stupid things in the last 101 days.

{sigh} Yes

I understand what he was TRYING to say but . . . . . . . . . .

You worry far too much about political correctness. Who really cares? And he's right, other countries ended slavery w/out bloody civil wars.

I am more concerned that Republicans control Congress but let the Democrats get their way, again. What a bunch of weaklings. No courage, no spine.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-v_-kYXsAQ-RXL.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 01, 2017, 12:24:45 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 01, 2017, 12:13:14 PM

You worry far too much about political correctness. Who really cares? And he's right, other countries ended slavery w/out bloody civil wars.

But don't you cringe (even just a little bit) when he continues to make these ridiculous public statements?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 01, 2017, 12:29:50 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 01, 2017, 12:13:14 PM

You worry far too much about political correctness. Who really cares? And he's right, other countries ended slavery w/out bloody civil wars.

I am curious which countries ended slavery without bloody civil wars?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on May 01, 2017, 12:48:32 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 01, 2017, 12:29:50 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 01, 2017, 12:13:14 PM

You worry far too much about political correctness. Who really cares? And he's right, other countries ended slavery w/out bloody civil wars.

I am curious which countries ended slavery without bloody civil wars?

The countries that didn't have slavery? I wouldn't advise looking to the Donald as a history teacher (or as somebody who's going to drain the Military Industrial Complex governed swamp).

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 01, 2017, 02:52:39 PM

Instead of making stupid historical statements Trump should be spending his time submitting conservative nominations for vacant federal judgeships:

US Court of Appeals: 20 vacancies
US District Courts (includes territorial courts*): 101 vacancies
US Court of International Trade: 2 vacancies
US Court of Federal Claims: 6 vacancies

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 01, 2017, 07:51:07 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 01, 2017, 12:29:50 PM

I am curious which countries ended slavery without bloody civil wars?

Great Briton, Portugal, Spain and Denmark all abolished slavery without
a civil war.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 01, 2017, 08:04:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 01, 2017, 02:52:39 PM

Instead of making stupid historical statements Trump should be spending his time submitting conservative nominations for vacant federal judgeships:

US Court of Appeals: 20 vacancies
US District Courts (includes territorial courts*): 101 vacancies
US Court of International Trade: 2 vacancies
US Court of Federal Claims: 6 vacancies

Nine of the vacancies are in California (five district and four appellate judges)
The Senate Judiciary Committee currently gives “blue slip” privileges to each
nominee’s home-state senators. Unless both senators support the pick, the
nomination won’t go forward. Of course there is nothing in the constitution
about this, it's a Senatorial courtesy/tradition.

So Feinstein and Harris can and will stop any of those vacancies being filled,
as will Democrat Senators in other states.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 01, 2017, 08:23:24 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 01, 2017, 08:04:32 PM

So Feinstein and Harris can and will stop any of those vacancies being filled,
as will Democrat Senators in other states.

Not exactly -

Since 2003, a return of a negative blue slip by one or both home-state Senators does not prevent the committee from moving forward with the nomination — provided that the Administration has engaged in pre-nomination consultation with both of the home-state Senators.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 01, 2017, 09:16:57 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 01, 2017, 08:23:24 PM

Not exactly -

Since 2003, a return of a negative blue slip by one or both home-state Senators does not prevent the committee from moving forward with the nomination — provided that the Administration has engaged in pre-nomination consultation with both of the home-state Senators.

The process seems pretty muddled up right now. Senator Grassley is the
Judicial committee chairman and he has been making statements that were
far from clear.

"Senator Grassley recently told Roll Call that his Committee remains “committed to” current blue-slip practice, but noted that blue slips aren’t sacrosanct."

http://abovethelaw.com/2017/04/who-will-president-trump-nominate-to-the-circuit-and-district-courts/

Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee, has also signaled that she will ask the committee to wait for evaluations by the American Bar Association before nominees get confirmation hearings
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/25/donald-trump-eyes-conservatives-for-court-vacancie/

Nobody agrees on what "pre-nomination consultation with both of the home-state Senators" entails.

It's pretty muddy from what I've read

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 01, 2017, 11:32:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 01, 2017, 12:24:45 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 01, 2017, 12:13:14 PM

You worry far too much about political correctness. Who really cares? And he's right, other countries ended slavery w/out bloody civil wars.

But don't you cringe (even just a little bit) when he continues to make these ridiculous public statements?

No. I cringe when I read that RINO Paul Ryan has given the Democrats everything they wanted in the Trillion dollar budget and Republicans who supposedly control Congress got nothing.

What did I even vote for last November? More lying crooks and worthless bums to work against the promises which were made without even a fight?

Tell me how Republicans supposedly control Congress but we got no funding for the wall, sanctuary cities are still being funded and planned parenthood is still being funded?

And you're worried about being politically correct. In case you don't know it slavery still exists in muslim countries.

:'( :'( :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 02, 2017, 08:53:16 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 01, 2017, 11:32:05 PM

No. I cringe when I read that RINO Paul Ryan has given the Democrats everything they wanted in the Trillion dollar budget and Republicans who supposedly control Congress got nothing.

What did I even vote for last November? More lying crooks and worthless bums to work against the promises which were made without even a fight?

Tell me how Republicans supposedly control Congress but we got no funding for the wall, sanctuary cities are still being funded and planned parenthood is still being funded?

And you're worried about being politically correct. In case you don't know it slavery still exists in muslim countries.

:'( :'( :'(

We got the increase in defense spending and the increase in border security spending.

The defunding of sanctuary cities can't happen until it works its way through the courts thanks to the liberals on the 9th Circuit. So any budget cuts there would be ineffective.

What pissed me off was the relief subsidies to bail out Puerto Rico medicaid. They're progressive spending put them in a hole they can never dig their way out of and now we taxpayers have to pay their debts for them.

Planned parenthood? Not a major issue in my book.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 02, 2017, 12:47:57 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 02, 2017, 08:53:16 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 01, 2017, 11:32:05 PM

No. I cringe when I read that RINO Paul Ryan has given the Democrats everything they wanted in the Trillion dollar budget and Republicans who supposedly control Congress got nothing.

What did I even vote for last November? More lying crooks and worthless bums to work against the promises which were made without even a fight?

Tell me how Republicans supposedly control Congress but we got no funding for the wall, sanctuary cities are still being funded and planned parenthood is still being funded?

And you're worried about being politically correct. In case you don't know it slavery still exists in muslim countries.

:'( :'( :'(

We got the increase in defense spending and the increase in border security spending.

The defunding of sanctuary cities can't happen until it works its way through the courts thanks to the liberals on the 9th Circuit. So any budget cuts there would be ineffective.

What pissed me off was the relief subsidies to bail out Puerto Rico medicaid. They're progressive spending put them in a hole they can never dig their way out of and now we taxpayers have to pay their debts for them.

Planned parenthood? Not a major issue in my book.

Building that Wall is real defense spending.

What you're talking about is more spending on overseas bases and endless war in the middle east.

Which is not defense of the United States homeland. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 02, 2017, 12:53:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 02, 2017, 08:53:16 AM

We got the increase in defense spending and the increase in border security spending.

Did we really need the increase in military spending? Tell me what country
has 50% of our military spending. We could have froze military spending and
I would have been plenty happy.

Quote from: shakespear on May 02, 2017, 08:53:16 AM

The defunding of sanctuary cities can't happen until it works its way through the courts thanks to the liberals on the 9th Circuit. So any budget cuts there would be ineffective.

Sure they could tie funding to cooperation. Then it wouldn't JUST be Trump
against the liberal courts, but the Shakey type RINO's don't really want to
help Trump. They blame everybody in the world why they can't actually act
like Republicans. The moderate GOP is incapable of being in charge and running
things. They lack the ability and convictions to govern.

Quote from: shakespear on May 02, 2017, 08:53:16 AM

What pissed me off was the relief subsidies to bail out Puerto Rico medicaid. They're progressive spending put them in a hole they can never dig their way out of and now we taxpayers have to pay their debts for them.

Planned parenthood? Not a major issue in my book.

Planned Parenthood gave $38 million to Democrats last election. Planned
Parenthood receives approximately $500 million a year in taxpayer funds,
that could be sent to others to do the same jobs. It's a taxpayer funded
democrat promotional organization. That's why the funding needs to stop
do you even think or just go off what the liberal news media tells you?

The GOP funded EVERY liberal cause that Obama and the Dems would have
funded if they were running things. The Dems fight to the death on every single issue while the moderate GOP won't fight for anything. They deserve to lose their
seats and they will.

Ryan needed ZERO democrat votes to get a bill through the house. The Senate
would get together their own watered down version of the bill and they would
compromise in reconciliation, not in the beginning, not to start.

If I were Trump, I would veto the bill or at least threaten to, then I would
travel around the country selling the benefits of what the GOP is supposed
to stand for.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 02, 2017, 12:57:24 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 02, 2017, 12:53:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 02, 2017, 08:53:16 AM
We got the increase in defense spending and the increase in border security spending.

Did we really need the increase in military spending? Tell me what country
has 50% of our military spending. We could have froze military spending and
I would have been plenty happy.

Quote from: shakespear on May 02, 2017, 08:53:16 AM
The defunding of sanctuary cities can't happen until it works its way through the courts thanks to the liberals on the 9th Circuit. So any budget cuts there would be ineffective.

Sure they could tie funding to cooperation. Then it wouldn't JUST be Trump
against the liberal courts, but the Shakey type RINO's don't really want to
help Trump. They blame everybody in the world why they can't actually act
like Republicans. The moderate GOP is incapable of being in charge and running
things. They lack the ability and convictions to govern.

Quote from: shakespear on May 02, 2017, 08:53:16 AM

What pissed me off was the relief subsidies to bail out Puerto Rico medicaid. They're progressive spending put them in a hole they can never dig their way out of and now we taxpayers have to pay their debts for them.

Planned parenthood? Not a major issue in my book.

Planned Parenthood gave $38 million to Democrats last election. Planned
Parenthood receives approximately $500 million a year in taxpayer funds,
that could be sent to others to do the same jobs. It's a taxpayer funded
democrat promotional organization. That's why the funding needs to stop
do you even think or just go off what the liberal news media tells you?

The GOP funded EVERY liberal cause that Obama and the Dems would have
funded if they were running things. The Dems fight to the death on every single issue while the moderate GOP won't fight for anything. They deserve to lose their
seats and they will.

Ryan needed ZERO democrat votes to get a bill through the house. The Senate
would get together their own watered down version of the bill and they would
compromise in reconciliation, not in the beginning, not to start.

If I were Trump, I would veto the bill or at least threaten to, then I would
travel around the country selling the benefits of what the GOP is supposed
to stand for.

What he said, 100%. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 02, 2017, 01:07:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 02, 2017, 12:47:57 PM

Building that Wall is real defense spending.

What you're talking about is more spending on overseas bases and endless war in the middle east.

Which is not defense of the United States homeland.

+100

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 02, 2017, 01:10:07 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 02, 2017, 12:53:40 PM

Sure they could tie funding to cooperation. Then it wouldn't JUST be Trump
against the liberal courts, but the Shakey type RINO's don't really want to
help Trump. They blame everybody in the world why they can't actually act
like Republicans. The moderate GOP is incapable of being in charge and running
things. They lack the ability and convictions to govern.

The courts have ruled that ANY cuts in government subsidies based on compliance with federal immigration laws is unconstitutional. Cutting the budget of something the courts ruled cannot be cut is wasted effort. Why beat your head against a brick wall?

We have to hope the Trump administration requests an Expedited Hearing from the Supreme Court on this matter. Maybe if his staff spent more time doing this instead of being forced to waste time by defend his ignorant public statements about American history his Justice Department would already have that done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 02, 2017, 01:14:47 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 02, 2017, 12:53:40 PM

Ryan needed ZERO democrat votes to get a bill through the house. The Senate
would get together their own watered down version of the bill and they would
compromise in reconciliation, not in the beginning, not to start.

If I were Trump, I would veto the bill or at least threaten to, then I would
travel around the country selling the benefits of what the GOP is supposed
to stand for.

All this before the Friday deadline?

The media with blame ANY government shutdown on the Republicans or are you forgetting 2013?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 02, 2017, 01:26:30 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 02, 2017, 01:14:47 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 02, 2017, 12:53:40 PM

Ryan needed ZERO democrat votes to get a bill through the house. The Senate
would get together their own watered down version of the bill and they would
compromise in reconciliation, not in the beginning, not to start.

If I were Trump, I would veto the bill or at least threaten to, then I would
travel around the country selling the benefits of what the GOP is supposed
to stand for.

All this before the Friday deadline?

The media with blame ANY government shutdown on the Republicans or are you forgetting 2013?

Trump could walk on water, heal the sick and blind and raise the dead. The media would still find something to complain about, so just what is your point?

The sooner Republicans and Trump fight on behalf of we the people who voted for them the better. Later and he is risking really alienating his base.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 02, 2017, 01:41:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 02, 2017, 01:10:07 PM

The courts have ruled that ANY cuts in government subsidies based on compliance with federal immigration laws is unconstitutional.

You are wrong. You didn't read Trumps executive order and you didn't read
the Judicial opinion either. What you read is what liberals want you to know
about it. The joke court said that Trump can't put additional limits on spending
authorized by congress AND THAT WAS ALL IT SAID THAT was unconstitutional.

Trumps executive order is here. It contains no new enforcement tactics because
the law already allowed for them to hold back funding!!! All Trumps executive
order said was that they were going to enforce existing law!
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/25/presidential-executive-order-enhancing-public-safety-interior-united

Secondly the judicial opinion found nothing unconstitutional in the executive
order. You can read his 49 page liberal blather here but you have to read
the entire stupid thing. The judge said that Trump can't put any additional
restrictions on federal spending authorized by congress. He doesn't because
it was already authorized that it could be limited by this exact situation.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3677977/32c4feb6-e11c-4457-8c7d-faae1670117a.pdf

So your entire point that congress couldn't do anything was totally and
completely wrong because you never took the time to learn anything that
the liberal media don't want you to know.

Lastly this judge Orrick is the same judge (this is called Judge shopping)
that Planned Parenthood found to stop project Gravitas named Orrick.
Project Gravitas created the secret videos exposing Planned Parenthood
for chopping up babies and selling body parts. The honorable judge Orrick
decided that those videos must not be shown.

He’s also an Obama fundraiser, he’s an Obama donor, he’s a bundler, and
bundled over $200 grand for Obama. THAT's how he became a federal
judge.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 02, 2017, 01:43:55 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 02, 2017, 01:14:47 PM

All this before the Friday deadline?

The media with blame ANY government shutdown on the Republicans or are you forgetting 2013?

Have you forgotten the elections of 2014? How did the GOP do? were they
penalized for standing up against Obamacare? or were the Dems soundly
defeated? You are a moderate GOP Dan Rather. You believe 98% of what
the liberal media tells you.

I really have some real life work that I have to finish now. I will check back
on the thread this evening or tomorrow.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 02, 2017, 02:16:56 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 02, 2017, 01:43:55 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 02, 2017, 01:14:47 PM

All this before the Friday deadline?

The media with blame ANY government shutdown on the Republicans or are you forgetting 2013?

Have you forgotten the elections of 2014? How did the GOP do? were they
penalized for standing up against Obamacare? or were the Dems soundly
defeated? You are a moderate GOP Dan Rather. You believe 98% of what
the liberal media tells you.

I really have some real life work that I have to finish now. I will check back
on the thread this evening or tomorrow.

Ann Coulter fortune cookie of the day. :laugh:

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/859491901807919106

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 02, 2017, 06:00:20 PM

Trump is very mad at CNN, but I don't know why Trump would want to run an ad, on CNN, when he blasts them for being fake news.

Trump Campaign Claims CNN Rejected 100 Days Ad

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/787654?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1728570_05022017&s=al&dkt_nbr=fpkdc5um&section=Politics&keywords=trump-campaign-cnn-rejected&year=2017&month=05&date=02&id=787654&aliaspath=%2fManage%2fArticles%2fTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 02, 2017, 06:22:11 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 02, 2017, 08:53:16 AM

Planned parenthood? Not a major issue in my book.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-f3ZplUMAAHVMf.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 02, 2017, 06:58:20 PM

Wonder if the liberals will go after Trump as commander and chief for allowing a Russian sympathizer in the U.S.military?

He fought with Russian-backed militants in Ukraine. Now he’s a U.S. soldier.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/05/01/he-fought-with-russian-backed-militants-in-ukraine-now-hes-a-u-s-soldier/?utm_term=.52e83c533ff7

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 02, 2017, 08:43:41 PM

Quick link to Trump's first 100 days advertisement.

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/859596223984041984

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 03, 2017, 01:52:47 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 02, 2017, 06:58:20 PM

Wonder if the liberals will go after Trump as commander and chief for allowing a Russian sympathizer in the U.S.military?

He fought with Russian-backed militants in Ukraine. Now he’s a U.S. soldier.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/05/01/he-fought-with-russian-backed-militants-in-ukraine-now-hes-a-u-s-soldier/?utm_term=.52e83c533ff7

Reading the article and doing a superficial search, I suspect the writer should focus on fiction. But the subject is French so one can wonder c'est la vie.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 03, 2017, 04:25:20 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 02, 2017, 08:43:41 PM

Quick link to Trump's first 100 days advertisement.

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/859596223984041984

1). You may like to take a look at this article(s) about your new President Trump and his friends. It may also explain to you, why Trump has gone back to so many claims and promises he made, before the election, to make America Great again.

The Billionaire Pedophile Who Could Bring Down Donald Trump (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-n3XZ9VYAAwG4p.jpg)

BTW make a search at wikipedia about Trump and his family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_family) and you will discover that his grandfather Frederick Trump (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Trump) was owner of hotels and a pimp of young ladies.

I know you enjoyed watching the previous video, I posted regarding the composition and friends of the Trump Administration and you will understand his statement that "he will protect Isra(h)el under any circumstances."

2). If you have time search the composition of all US Administration, after the WWII, you will find in each one of them the same composition, 50% Zionists Jews.

So finally you will discover Who is really running USA. Look above the Eagle's Head

(http://www.zahal.org/files/shirts/logos_Large/black/jerusaalem-thumb.jpg) (http://www.norbay.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/sg9016.jpg)

Don't forget to have a look who, always, was/is running FED?

(http://www.onedollarbill.org/images/anatomy-2-s.JPG)
http://www.aipac.org/

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on May 03, 2017, 04:29:59 AM

I enjoy your vids, Wiz ... may be not quite in the manner you expect ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on May 03, 2017, 10:18:27 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 03, 2017, 04:25:20 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 02, 2017, 08:43:41 PM
Quick link to Trump's first 100 days advertisement.

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/859596223984041984

1). You may like to take a look at this article(s) about your new President Trump and his friends. It may also explain to you, why Trump has gone back to so many claims and promises he made, before the election, to make America Great again.

The Billionaire Pedophile Who Could Bring Down Donald Trump (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-n3XZ9VYAAwG4p.jpg)

BTW make a search at wikipedia about Trump and his family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_family) and you will discover that his grandfather Frederick Trump (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Trump) was owner of hotels and a pimp of young ladies.

I know you enjoyed watching the previous video, I posted regarding the composition and friends of the Trump Administration and you will understand his statement that "he will protect Isra(h)el under any circumstances."

2). If you have time search the composition of all US Administration, after the WWII, you will find in each one of them the same composition, 50% Zionists Jews.

So finally you will discover Who is really running USA. Look above the Eagle's Head

(http://www.zahal.org/files/shirts/logos_Large/black/jerusaalem-thumb.jpg) (http://www.norbay.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/product_full/sg9016.jpg)

Don't forget to have a look who, always, was/is running FED?

(http://www.onedollarbill.org/images/anatomy-2-s.JPG)
http://www.aipac.org/

tiphat

Dear Wiz, please go jump off the nearest high rise. I see no other solution to being rid of your ridiculous theories. :dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 03, 2017, 11:30:12 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on May 03, 2017, 10:18:27 AM

Dear Wiz, please go jump off the nearest high rise. I see no other solution to being rid of your ridiculous theories. :dh:

Does that include me? I suspect some of his theories have a basis in reality. :coffeeread:

https://www.ronpaul.com/audit-the-federal-reserve-hr-1207/

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/

On February 26, 2009, Ron Paul introduced HR 1207, the bill to audit the Federal Reserve:

“I rise to introduce the Federal Reserve Transparency Act. Throughout its nearly 100-year history, the Federal Reserve has presided over the near-complete destruction of the United States dollar. Since 1913 the dollar has lost over 95% of its purchasing power, aided and abetted by the Federal Reserve’s loose monetary policy. How long will we as a Congress stand idly by while hard-working Americans see their savings eaten away by inflation? Only big-spending politicians and politically favored bankers benefit from inflation.”

This bill was totally altered in favor of bankers by the Hussein O. regime.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 03, 2017, 11:34:19 AM

Putin Derangement Syndrome, the warmonger Senator McCain, and Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky.

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/congress-alert/2017/march/15/sen-mccain-explodes-rand-paul-is-working-for-putin/

(for those who don't know, Senator Rand Paul is the son of retired Representative Ron Paul of Texas)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 03, 2017, 12:43:16 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6WXW_0UYAAxyvz.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 03, 2017, 02:34:53 PM

The Status Quo Protection Act. :laugh:

http://reason.com/blog/2017/05/03/rand-paul-budget-deal-should-be-renamed

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on May 03, 2017, 04:54:38 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 03, 2017, 11:30:12 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on May 03, 2017, 10:18:27 AM

Dear Wiz, please go jump off the nearest high rise. I see no other solution to being rid of your ridiculous theories. :dh:

Does that include me? I suspect some of his theories have a basis in reality. :coffeeread

If you're one for believing in worldwide Zionist conspiracy theories, then, yes, you too. :-\

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 03, 2017, 05:07:20 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on May 03, 2017, 10:18:27 AM

Dear Wiz, please go jump off the nearest high rise. I see no other solution to being rid of your ridiculous theories. :dh:

Dear Ds

You have never surprised me and the others on the board with your level of political acumen and analysis due to your lack of any intelligent and intellectual capacity. Your inability to produce any substantial intelligent comments of no more than a couple of lines, is beyond the pale to say the least. Events and other matters in the international chess board goes over your head. No surprise there too.

Have a good sleep and don't suck your thump Lion boy!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 03, 2017, 05:09:11 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on May 03, 2017, 04:54:38 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 03, 2017, 11:30:12 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on May 03, 2017, 10:18:27 AM

Dear Wiz, please go jump off the nearest high rise. I see no other solution to being rid of your ridiculous theories. :dh:

Does that include me? I suspect some of his theories have a basis in reality. :coffeeread
If you're one for believing in worldwide Zionist conspiracy theories, then, yes, you too. :-\

I don't like it when "liberals" call ppl racist, islamaphobic etc. as a way to shut down a conversation.

You telling somebody to jump off a high-rise is a similar method to shut down discussion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 04, 2017, 01:28:32 PM

President Trump (I love writing that, it drives the liberals crazy ;D) signed an executive order today for religious liberty.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/04/trump-marks-national-day-prayer-signs-executive-order-on-religious-freedom.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 04, 2017, 01:34:14 PM

President Trump chastises Susan Rice for refusing to testify to Congress. Trey Gowdy intends to force her to come in.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/04/trump-calls-out-rice-for-refusal-to-testify-to-congress.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 04, 2017, 01:41:45 PM

If at first you don't succeed, try try again?!!

It looks like another attempt to repeal Obama Care and get something better may succeed.

https://twitter.com/DarLovesAmerica/status/860216768341487617

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 04, 2017, 04:47:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 04, 2017, 01:41:45 PM

If at first you don't succeed, try try again?!!

It looks like another attempt to repeal Obama Care and get something better may succeed.

https://twitter.com/DarLovesAmerica/status/860216768341487617

Now that Obama care has been repealed, the liberals can cry a bit more.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on May 04, 2017, 06:06:15 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 04, 2017, 04:47:03 PM

Now that Obama care has been repealed, the liberals can cry a bit more.

Doesn't the bill still have to pass in the senate?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 04, 2017, 06:23:44 PM

Quote from: tfcrew on May 04, 2017, 06:06:15 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 04, 2017, 04:47:03 PM

Now that Obama care has been repealed, the liberals can cry a bit more.

Doesn't the bill still have to pass in the senate?

Yes it does. Let's be hopeful that Trump and company has done their homework and knows it will pass the Senate as well. This will be a major victory for him and he needs one.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on May 04, 2017, 08:13:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 04, 2017, 06:23:44 PM

This will be a major victory for him and he needs one.

My concern is victory for the American people.
It is still a socialist health care system that could be termed this time as rinocare or obamacare lite.
And I certainly doubt if that nutty lying nag Pelosi read the bill before she voted against it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 04, 2017, 10:59:58 PM

Quote from: tfcrew on May 04, 2017, 08:13:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 04, 2017, 06:23:44 PM

This will be a major victory for him and he needs one.

My concern is victory for the American people.
It is still a socialist health care system that could be termed this time as rinocare or obamacare lite.
And I certainly doubt if that nutty lying nag Pelosi read the bill before she voted against it.

It's the best the American people can hope for. Even if it is "rino care". The American people unfortunately have come to believe in Socialism. It will only get worse over time due to Marxist conditioning at public schools and at colleges and Universities.

Trump is actually a middle of the road guy and yet the lefty whack jobs paint him as some sort of far right fascist. Just imagine how bad it's going to get if the left succeeds in winning again in 2020 or in 2024.

We got a short-term reprieve in my opinion. Maybe Pence will win in 2024 after Trump has served two terms. Maybe.

But then what? Ironic that China and Russia can quickly build stuff and get stuff done (China for sure, Russia may lag compared to China but streets over there get repaired or built in record time) faster than the USSA.

Trump even mentioned this during the campaign but as you see the Liberals are determined to fight him every step of the way.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 05, 2017, 12:25:48 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 04, 2017, 10:59:58 PM

Quote from: tfcrew on May 04, 2017, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: Confederate on May 04, 2017, 06:23:44 PM

This will be a major victory for him and he needs one.

My concern is victory for the American people.
It is still a socialist health care system that could be termed this time as rinocare or obamacare lite.
And I certainly doubt if that nutty lying nag Pelosi read the bill before she voted against it.

It's the best the American people can hope for. Even if it is "rino care". The American people unfortunately have come to believe in Socialism.

Can you please Educate us what Socialism is all about and why it's bad for American People?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on May 05, 2017, 12:43:17 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 04, 2017, 01:28:32 PM

President Trump (I love writing that, it drives the liberals crazy ;D) signed an executive order today for religious liberty.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/04/trump-marks-national-day-prayer-signs-executive-order-on-religious-freedom.html

Ooh, misstake. It also allows the same freedoms for the Muslim community. its what started all this trouble in Europe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 05, 2017, 02:09:46 AM

Quote from: Markje on May 05, 2017, 12:43:17 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 04, 2017, 01:28:32 PM
President Trump (I love writing that, it drives the liberals crazy ;D) signed an executive order today for religious liberty.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/04/trump-marks-national-day-prayer-signs-executive-order-on-religious-freedom.html
Ooh, misstake. It also allows the same freedoms for the Muslim community. its what started all this trouble in Europe.

Mark

According to Stats in Greece 97% of the population is “Greek Christian Orthodox” followers. In many towns in Greece there are Mosque’s (Tzami in Turkish), all remnants of the Ottoman Empire years, like this one in my home town, build in 1674, which the Greek state had to convert to a Museum as no Muslims worshiped there for over 70 year.

(http://www.yannis.me.uk/ioannina/images/frozenlake.jpg)

Frozen lake Pamvotis and the Tzami (Mosque)

It has never been a problem for the Muslims (Greek Nationals) exercising their religious believes and worship, or whatever is the expression, until the financial crisis started in 2010. Later the illegal mass immigration (Financed by Soros) started arriving in the eastern located Greek islands, on Dinghies from Turkey. Now and according to instructions from the EU, most of the illegal Muslim immigrants have moved to Athens (the Capital) and started asking the Greek state to finance and build for them a Mosque right in the centre of the town, where there was none before.

The previous Greek Government under pressure from the EU, for obvious reasons, decided to build one to accommodate 2000 Muslim worshipers. For 5 years now, nothing much has happened because “Golden Dawn”, the right Fascist Party, promised publicly to sabotage it and burn it down if necessary!

So makes you wonder, why the EU wants to create another huge problem for Greece and who is really pooling the strings behind the scenes in the EU and for what reason? ???

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 05, 2017, 09:56:33 AM

A victory for freedom of information?

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-court-rules-state-department-must-release-clinton-emails-detailing-obama-response-benghazi/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 05, 2017, 11:49:32 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 05, 2017, 12:25:48 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 04, 2017, 10:59:58 PM
Quote from: tfcrew on May 04, 2017, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: Confederate on May 04, 2017, 06:23:44 PM

This will be a major victory for him and he needs one.

My concern is victory for the American people.
It is still a socialist health care system that could be termed this time as rinocare or obamacare lite.
And I certainly doubt if that nutty lying nag Pelosi read the bill before she voted against it.

It's the best the American people can hope for. Even if it is "rino care". The American people unfortunately have come to believe in Socialism.

Can you please Educate us what Socialism is all about and why it's bad for American People?

For a good example of socialism, I would say look at Greece.

Title: Fascists, Nazi's, Socialists are all left wing radicals
Post by: 2tallbill on May 05, 2017, 01:00:04 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 05, 2017, 02:09:46 AM

the right Fascist Party,

Fascists are hard leftist statists, they are to the left of liberals and to the right
of Communists. They are for state control of many industries and segments of
the economy, usually by a leftist dictator.

Left .............................Center ................................Right
From left wing to right wing you have totalitarianism, Communism,
Socialism, Fascism, liberals, leans left, center, leans right, conservatives,
libertarians, anarchists.

The more government control = left
Less government control = right

Hitler was a National Socialist to the right of Stalin but far left of most liberals.

Labeling the right as Fascists has always been a joke. Both Hitler and Mussolini
nationalized many industries and made grand national economic plans controlling, restricting and micromanaging entire segments of the economy.

The right is for smaller government, less control, less intervention etc, with the
extreme being the anarchists who don't want any government at all.

The left has tried to paint Nazi's as right wing, but they are hard leftists with
government control over most parts of peoples lives and so many elements of
socialism that they are barely distinguishable, but they are slightly different but
far different from the less government control, capitalists that you find on the
right.

A lefty will crawl naked over broken glass before they admit this, because Hitler
and Mussolini were bad, and racists and mean. That's too bad because they were
leftists. They say "but I'm a kind hearted person, not a racist or mean, so the
Nazi's must be right wing! because righties are cruel and don't want to steal
from others to provide for poor people.

It's like refusing to admit the Earth is round or travels around the sun.
You can deny it, but you would be wrong. That's the facts, sorry to bust
your bubble, I know you really believe otherwise but you are wrong.

Completely, totally and almost humorously wrong. If you took a few minutes
to analyze what Fascists and Nazi's stood for and how they ran their
governments you would find that they are clearly leftists, but you can't.

You can't objectively look at the facts or it would change your world view
and you aren't going to let that happen.

(https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/HitlerSocialist.jpg)

Here are some links that lefties won't read and can't accept.

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/myth-busted-actually-yes-hitler-was-a-socialist-liberal/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/417926/was-fascism-right-wing-again-jonah-goldberg

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/630472/posts

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2009/02/liberals-are-the-true-heirs-of-the-nazi-spirit/#

http://blog.paulmckeever.ca/uncategorized/hitler-and-nazism-left-wing-or-right-wing/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 05, 2017, 01:52:29 PM

Popka, Well written. :thumbsup: While some may disagree, thanks.

Often I have considered the entire political spectrum not as a line but more of a circle.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 05, 2017, 03:10:48 PM

Yet ANOTHER Trump unforced error . . . . . . .

“It’s a very good bill right now. The premiums are going to come down, very substantially. The deductibles are going to come down. It’s going to be fantastic health care. Right now Obamacare is failing. We have a failing health care. I shouldn’t say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia, because you have better health care than we do.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 05, 2017, 05:08:42 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 05, 2017, 01:00:04 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 05, 2017, 02:09:46 AM
the right Fascist Party,

Fascists are hard leftist statists, they are to the left of liberals and to the right
of Communists. They are for state control of many industries and segments of
the economy, usually by a leftist dictator.

Left .............................Center ................................Right
From left wing to right wing you have totalitarianism, Communism,
Socialism, Fascism, liberals, leans left, center, leans right, conservatives,
libertarians, anarchists.

The more government control = left
Less government control = right

Hitler was a National Socialist to the right of Stalin but far left of most liberals.

Labeling the right as Fascists has always been a joke. Both Hitler and Mussolini
nationalized many industries and made grand national economic plans controlling, restricting and micromanaging entire segments of the economy.

The right is for smaller government, less control, less intervention etc, with the
extreme being the anarchists who don't want any government at all.

The left has tried to paint Nazi's as right wing, but they are hard leftists with
government control over most parts of peoples lives and so many elements of
socialism that they are barely distinguishable, but they are slightly different but
far different from the less government control, capitalists that you find on the
right.

A lefty will crawl naked over broken glass before they admit this, because Hitler
and Mussolini were bad, and racists and mean. That's too bad because they were
leftists. They say "but I'm a kind hearted person, not a racist or mean, so the
Nazi's must be right wing! because righties are cruel and don't want to steal
from others to provide for poor people.

It's like refusing to admit the Earth is round or travels around the sun.
You can deny it, but you would be wrong. That's the facts, sorry to bust
your bubble, I know you really believe otherwise but you are wrong.

Completely, totally and almost humorously wrong. If you took a few minutes
to analyze what Fascists and Nazi's stood for and how they ran their
governments you would find that they are clearly leftists, but you can't.

You can't objectively look at the facts or it would change your world view
and you aren't going to let that happen.

(https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/HitlerSocialist.jpg)

Here are some links that lefties won't read and can't accept.

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/myth-busted-actually-yes-hitler-was-a-socialist-liberal/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/417926/was-fascism-right-wing-again-jonah-goldberg

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/630472/posts

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2009/02/liberals-are-the-true-heirs-of-the-nazi-spirit/#

http://blog.paulmckeever.ca/uncategorized/hitler-and-nazism-left-wing-or-right-wing/

I've heard this theory before but don't quite agree. I agree w/ Av when he said it's like a circle. Meaning going so far right to Nazi type fascism and the circle has gotten back to a similar place as Communism. Although without a doubt communism has murdered far more people than fascism.

I also put anarchy on the left. In fact it's always the left who say they want total anarchy and they claim they want no money and no property rights. That of course never happens. The elites on the left simply steal the property and the wealth of those who they starve, torture and ultimately murder.

However you did a very good job explaining your theory, it was well written.

The ultimate proof that your theory is wrong is that I have a bumper sticker which reads: "the solution for commies are right-wing death squads". :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 05, 2017, 05:19:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 05, 2017, 03:10:48 PM

Yet ANOTHER Trump unforced error . . . . . . .

“It’s a very good bill right now. The premiums are going to come down, very substantially. The deductibles are going to come down. It’s going to be fantastic health care. Right now Obamacare is failing. We have a failing health care. I shouldn’t say this to our great gentleman and my friend from Australia, because you have better health care than we do.”

Your posts are all fake news. As usual you latch on to something unimportant and try to make it important.

Trump actually had a great day yesterday. The House approved a new Health Care plan and he signed an executive order on religious liberty.

But carry on Wolf. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 05, 2017, 05:25:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 05, 2017, 05:08:42 PM

I've heard this theory before but don't quite agree. I agree w/ Av when he said it's like a circle. Meaning going so far right to Nazi type fascism and the circle has gotten back to a similar place as Communism. Although without a doubt communism has murdered far more people than fascism.

I suspect most totalitarianism forms of government whether left or right have done an admirable job of killing dissenters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 05, 2017, 05:29:03 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 05, 2017, 05:25:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 05, 2017, 05:08:42 PM

I've heard this theory before but don't quite agree. I agree w/ Av when he said it's like a circle. Meaning going so far right to Nazi type fascism and the circle has gotten back to a similar place as Communism. Although without a doubt communism has murdered far more people than fascism.

I suspect most totalarian forms of government whether left or right have done an admirable job of killing dissenters.

Soviet Communists murdered 50 to 60 Million of their own people.

Nazi's under Hitler killed a much smaller number of Germans.

The World had 80 years of communism. We didn't have but 6 years of the other. So hard to compare.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 05, 2017, 07:10:08 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 05, 2017, 05:19:52 PM

Trump actually had a great day yesterday. The House approved a new Health Care plan and he signed an executive order on religious liberty.

He publicly stated that the leader of a country that has "socialized medicine" has better healthcare that we do in the USA and you think that is a harmless misstatement?

And do you really think that people should be allowed to make tax free contributions to a church and then the church has the right to use that money to support a political candidate? That's a good thing?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 05, 2017, 07:29:25 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 05, 2017, 07:10:08 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 05, 2017, 05:19:52 PM
Trump actually had a great day yesterday. The House approved a new Health Care plan and he signed an executive order on religious liberty.

He publicly stated that the leader of a country that has "socialized medicine" has better healthcare that we do in the USA and you think that is a harmless misstatement?

And do you really think that people should be allowed to make tax free contributions to a church and then the church has the right to use that money to support a political candidate? That's a good thing?

Trump has a way with words. :-X

How the public will perceive him as an US President is tough to say. But on the other side he was never a politician and that at the least is change, I think for the good.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on May 05, 2017, 08:08:23 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 05, 2017, 12:25:48 AM

Can you please Educate us what Socialism is all about and why it's bad for American People?

With respect to health care...I'll give it a crack.
The British went to a national health system very soon after WW2.
At the the time, it was the most efficient way to cope with UK's medical needs.
After all, the Nazis had just about decimated England.
So, it was prudent to necessarily proceed with something ..comprehensive.

The USA continued to operate in a competitive health insurance provider industry.
Enter Barack Obama.
The ACA has proven to be a very inefficient program.
Why didn't the British way work for America?
Obama did not do it the British way.
The Obama admin tried to do what fails every time...mixing oil with water.
State run private insurance??? Bogus! Dumb!

Medicare and the Veterans Hospitals instituted before WW2 though not perfect, were established agencies and do function.
I never understood who actually ran the ACA.
At one time I was led to believe that Internal Revenue did.
The IRS?? Please.
I would have [and Trump hasn't either] gathered the CEOs of all the major medical insurance companies Aetna.. UnitedHealth...Cigna..Blue Cross..Humana et all and requested delivery of a comprehensive national insurance system.
Wouldn't that make sense? After all they are professionals.
They can collectively do it and Blue Cross proposed one time a plan that would
cover all at an affordable cost.
Two painful problems exist...
The phenomenal influx of immigrants in the last 20-30 years and the ludicrous inflation of medical charges in this country which I believe borders on the criminal.

What a story this is..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/british-health-care-free-for-citizens-low-priced-for-visitors-is-that-the-whole-story/2014/03/24/7d0c3386-9e57-11e3-b8d8-94577ff66b28_story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on May 05, 2017, 08:39:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 05, 2017, 07:10:08 PM

And do you really think that people should be allowed to make tax free contributions to a church and then the church has the right to use that money to support a political candidate? That's a good thing?

Actually, the IRS is not all that charitable when it comes to these donations...

https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/charitable-contribution-deductions

They have a 30%-50% limitations clause stuff.
I would say most Christian church goers don't bother to claim these deductions on their tax forms anyway.
I can't speak for mosques or synagogues.
I remember when WA Criswell was pastor of 1st Baptist in Dallas ...he held up Gerald Ford's hand and said I'm for this guy.
I too am for all good and against all evil tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on May 05, 2017, 11:17:47 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 05, 2017, 01:52:29 PM

Popka, Well written. :thumbsup: While some may disagree, thanks.

Often I have considered the entire political spectrum not as a line but more of a circle.

Quite +1

Applying labels to folks aspirations / political beliefs - so often incorrect - tends to prove ignorance - rather than make a point ..

However, I will make an exception... immigration... It never ceases to amaze me how many relatively recent economic migrants to the US / UK, etc., seek to refuse the same to those still trying ... let alone those who's parents or Grand parent benefited.

I watched grown men crying at seeing Italy - having crossed hostile nations and desserts - risking their lives and no doubt paying too much to those preying on their plight.

Until we remove that need to try to better the lives of their families back home - these people will keep coming ....

In Britain's case - we had an opt-out for sharing the load - yet we KEEP reading stories of bright EU citizens already IN the UK, under threat of removal and the Home Office begging EU nationals to STOP applying for Permanent Residency - as the system cannot cope ?!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 05, 2017, 11:46:59 PM

Quote from: tfcrew on May 05, 2017, 08:39:09 PM

I too am for all good and against all evil tiphat

To fix the whole thing the US should allow Georgian dentists and doctors to set up offices and clinics in America unhassled by regulations. Then prices would go down and healthcare would be affordable like it used to be. ;D

Here is a medical bill for the birth of my brother and sister in May of 1964. The year in which the government brought in a bit of socialism, Medicare.

(http://i63.tinypic.com/2duayv4.jpg)

Anytime the government enters into a market the prices and the in affordability of things goes way, way up. Since 1964 the year of Medicare's introduction the price of the delivery of twins, the nursery, medicines and a 5 day stay in the hospital has gone dramatically up from $169.25

And it is the greed of special interests, insurance companies, healthcare providers and so on. Obamacare did nothing to bring down costs like introducing competition. Market forces are not something he believes in. He is of the opinion that a command control economy is the way to go.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on May 06, 2017, 02:39:53 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 05, 2017, 05:29:03 PM

Soviet Communists murdered 50 to 60 Million of their own people.

Nazi's under Hitler killed a much smaller number of Germans.

The World had 80 years of communism. We didn't have but 6 years of the other. So hard to compare.

Umm, not much smaller I think, I always watch this video regarding WW-2 deathtole.

It gets especially interesting when the Soviet joins the war, thats when Nazi's start dying in eral numbers, not before. (around 4:43 in the video). If you look at the death-toll, Russia paid the biggest price to the reaper, but there was no other way.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 06, 2017, 03:03:26 AM

Quote from: Markje on May 06, 2017, 02:39:53 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 05, 2017, 05:29:03 PM

Soviet Communists murdered 50 to 60 Million of their own people.

Nazi's under Hitler killed a much smaller number of Germans.

The World had 80 years of communism. We didn't have but 6 years of the other. So hard to compare.
Umm, not much smaller I think, I always watch this video regarding WW-2 deathtole.

It gets especially interesting when the Soviet joins the war, thats when Nazi's start dying in eral numbers, not before. (around 4:43 in the video). If you look at the death-toll, Russia paid the biggest price to the reaper, but there was no other way.

We're talking about two entirely different things. I'm talking about how many Russians (and other Soviet citizens) were murdered by the authorities during Soviet Communism and comparing it to how many Germans that the Nazi authorities murdered.

In other words how many of their own citizens did the Soviet Communists round up and murder (by whatever means incl. starvation) versus how many of their own citizens did the Nazi Germans round up and murder.

While that's a very interesting video it's clearly talking about combat casualties and not the casualties of ordinary citizens caused by the murderous nature of their government towards their own people.

In regards to German versus Soviet war casualties it certainly would have been interesting to know how the World would have turned out if Hitler had honored the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact and not invaded but instead the Soviets had remained allies with the Germans which was the intention of that treaty.

Bringing us up to current times there are a bunch of sick old men (McCain and company) pushing for war between the USA and Russia. And the bankers are ready like the vultures they have always been.

No more brothers wars.

(my math was wrong about how many years of German fascism: if we count from 1933 to 1945 we have 12 years)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 06, 2017, 03:28:06 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 05, 2017, 12:25:48 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 04, 2017, 10:59:58 PM
Quote from: tfcrew on May 04, 2017, 08:13:28 PM
Quote from: Confederate on May 04, 2017, 06:23:44 PM

This will be a major victory for him and he needs one.

My concern is victory for the American people.
It is still a socialist health care system that could be termed this time as rinocare or obamacare lite.
And I certainly doubt if that nutty lying nag Pelosi read the bill before she voted against it.

It's the best the American people can hope for. Even if it is "rino care". The American people unfortunately have come to believe in Socialism.

Can you please Educate us what Socialism is all about and why it's bad for American People?

What you're calling Socialism is not what is being pushed over here by our "Democratic" party aka the "progressives" or the "liberals" or if you prefer the "progressive liberals".

What I believe you have in mind is European socialism and you clearly like it because you like your NHS and other benefits.

What is being pushed over here is class and gender warfare and the current thing in vogue is to blame whites for all of societies ills but more specifically an attempt to blame white males.

Thankfully we're armed to the teeth and with Trump in office we've got a reprieve.

So no, we sure as heck don't want "socialism" over here because we can see what the Antifa type of nutjobs are pushing which is anarchy and overthrow of our government by violent means along with genocide against "enemies of the people", ie normal people.

The Democratic party would claim they don't want to harm anyone when in fact the Antifa loons are financed by Soros who is a major donor to the Democrats.

Those of us who are paying attention can see what their endgame is and it's a very similar endgame to the Bolshevik Revolution of 1917.

Let me put it another way. We have social structures here already which protect people who need it. We don't want to continue going in the direction of more and more centralized government control of our lives.

Any time the government does anything it costs more and worse of all the most dishonest, corrupt and evil people known to mankind gravitate towards the power government gives to them.

The American character is that we believe people should be rewarded for merit. We may have equal opportunities at the start but in fact we're not all equal and we don't want an oppressive government which rules through tyranny.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 06, 2017, 04:34:03 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 05, 2017, 07:29:25 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 05, 2017, 07:10:08 PM
Quote from: Confederate on May 05, 2017, 05:19:52 PM
Trump actually had a great day yesterday. The House approved a new Health Care plan and he signed an executive order on religious liberty.

He publicly stated that the leader of a country that has "socialized medicine" has better healthcare that we do in the USA and you think that is a harmless misstatement?

And do you really think that people should be allowed to make tax free contributions to a church and then the church has the right to use that money to support a political candidate? That's a good thing?

Trump has a way with words. :-X

How the public will perceive him as an US President is tough to say. But on the other side he was never a politician and that at the least is change, I think for the good.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 06, 2017, 05:20:08 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 05, 2017, 11:49:32 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 05, 2017, 12:25:48 AM

Can you please Educate us what Socialism is all about and why it's bad for American People?

For a good example of socialism, I would say look at Greece.

Sorry but you have not a clue about the political system in Greece neither what any party that has been/is in Power or opposition represents.

The only party with Socialistic ideas and dogma/declarations is the Greek Communistic party (KKE) but never received more than 10% of the votes, neither was ever in Power. For example briefly, after WWII all Greek Governments were Conservative, Centre or right wing fascist dictatorships, supervised by the American Administration and the CIA.

I am sure you will point out the Current (leftist) government of SYRIZA, which before the last elections was advocating and promoting Socialistic principals but as they say in UK, “Actions speak louder than words”! Since was elected to power on the 26 Jan 2015 with its actions has proved to be not a Left Socialistic party but more right wing than the previous Conservative New Democracy party, which could not impose harsh austerity measures so they helped them to win the elections and now the Geek population found out their true colours, of the old communists, of the Syriza party.

The same thing happened in Italy with the Left wing party of Massimo D'Alema, and old communist member of PCI ( Italian Communist Party), in 1998 – 2000. While D'Alema was Prime Minister, Italy took part in the NATO bombing of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in 1999. Massimo D'Alema (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massimo_D%27Alema)

BTW are you aware that the Central Israeli council of Greece KIS (https://www.kis.gr/), is an officially recognised, since 1920, organisation representing all Jewish communities, subsidised by the Greek State and exempt of any taxes?

tiphat

Title: Re: Fascists, Nazi's, Socialists are all left wing radicals
Post by: Wiz on May 06, 2017, 07:44:38 AM

Quote from: Popka! on May 05, 2017, 01:00:04 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 05, 2017, 02:09:46 AM
the right Fascist Party,

Completely, totally and almost humorously wrong. If you took a few minutes
to analyze what Fascists and Nazi's stood for and how they ran their
governments you would find that they are clearly leftists, but you can't.

You can't objectively look at the facts or it would change your world view
and you aren't going to let that happen.

Firstly, let me tell you that I am happy that you have taken the time and wrote a very nice post and congratulating you for that. Sorry to disappoint you but you have not burst any bubble of mine as I am following the old Greek saying: “I am getting older always learning something”! I am always of an open mind and happy to discuss, debate and be educated by thinking people despite of what you may think about me,

I have used the expression “right fascists” for the Greek “Golden Dawn” Party, as used in Greece, meaning “extremists with dictatorial proclivities”.

Just searched the meaning of Fascist and come across the following:

Quote

Fascist: noun, plural noun: fascists

An advocate or follower of the political philosophy or system of fascism.

authoritarian, totalitarian, autocrat, Nazi, extreme/far right-winger, rightist,
black shirt, militarist.

Well Golden Dawn over the years has exhibited all the above characteristics,

NOTE: I have messaged “Manny” asking him to split these posts and let us have a good dialog away from the Trump soap opera. looks that he is lazy today......

Sorry no more free time to read right now, but promise to read all the links you posted before answering sometime later. Sunshine in the UK is not occurring everyday. Russian Wife … “she has to be obeyed”, wants to go out…..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 06, 2017, 10:44:18 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 05, 2017, 07:10:08 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 05, 2017, 05:19:52 PM
Trump actually had a great day yesterday. The House approved a new Health Care plan and he signed an executive order on religious liberty.

He publicly stated that the leader of a country that has "socialized medicine" has better healthcare that we do in the USA and you think that is a harmless misstatement?

And do you really think that people should be allowed to make tax free contributions to a church and then the church has the right to use that money to support a political candidate? That's a good thing?

https://twitter.com/hectormorenco/status/859874952203313152

Title: Re: Fascists, Nazi's, Socialists are all left wing radicals
Post by: 2tallbill on May 06, 2017, 11:58:58 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 06, 2017, 07:44:38 AM

Sorry no more free time to read right now, but promise to read all the links you posted before answering sometime later. Sunshine in the UK is not occurring everyday. Russian Wife … “she has to be obeyed”, wants to go out…..

Your quote, “I am getting older always learning something” sounds like a
quote from Solon one of the 7 sages of Greece. "As I grow older, I constantly
learn more"

No worries, we have the best, most beautiful weekend here in Wyoming
so far this year (we had snow two weeks ago) and my beautiful Russian
wife has plans for me today and tomorrow as well. We can always debate
things when it's not so beautiful outside.

UspEhov!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 06, 2017, 12:56:49 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 06, 2017, 07:44:38 AM

I have messaged “Manny” asking him to split these posts and let us have a good dialog away from the Trump soap opera. looks that he is lazy today......

We can allow Manny a free day once a month. I agree there are interesting comments and worth a stand alone topic/thread.

Quote from: Wiz on May 06, 2017, 05:20:08 AM

BTW are you aware that the Central Israeli council of Greece KIS (https://www.kis.gr/), is an officially recognised, since 1920, organisation representing all Jewish communities, subsidised by the Greek State and exempt of any taxes?

Are you aware that you represent the Fopdoddle Aluminum Hat Society of the United Kingdom! And you are doing a stand up job!

Title: Re: Fascists, Nazi's, Socialists are all left wing radicals
Post by: Contrarian on May 06, 2017, 03:03:53 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 06, 2017, 11:58:58 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 06, 2017, 07:44:38 AM

Sorry no more free time to read right now, but promise to read all the links you posted before answering sometime later. Sunshine in the UK is not occurring everyday. Russian Wife … “she has to be obeyed”, wants to go out…..

Your quote, “I am getting older always learning something” sounds like a
quote from Solon one of the 7 sages of Greece. "As I grow older, I constantly
learn more"

No worries, we have the best, most beautiful weekend here in Wyoming
so far this year (we had snow two weeks ago) and my beautiful Russian
wife has plans for me today and tomorrow as well. We can always debate
things when it's not so beautiful outside.

UspEhov!

I believe what you wrote and what Hitler claimed about the Nazi party are opposite of the reality. Fascism is clearly "right-wing" and the evidence is that former companies and business owners are allowed to stay in control of those business's whereas in Communism they are murdered and replaced by party hacks usually without any real business experience.

Although Hitler claimed that the Nazi Party was more “socialist” than its conservative rivals, he opposed any Marxist-inspired nationalization of major industries. On May 2, 1933, he abolished all free trade unions in Germany, and his minister of labour, Robert Ley, later declared that it was necessary “to restore absolute leadership to the natural leader of the factory, that is, the employer.” Nazi “anticapitalism,” such as it was, was aimed primarily at Jewish capitalism; non-Jewish capitalists were allowed to keep their companies and their wealth, a distinction that was made in the Nazi Party’s original program and never changed. Although Hitler reduced unemployment in Germany, most German workers were forced to toil for lower wages and longer hours and under worse conditions than had been the case during the Weimar Republic. His solution to the unemployment problem also depended on the recruitment of thousands of men into the military.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Conservative-economic-programs#ref742134

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 07, 2017, 04:33:59 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 07, 2017, 03:18:06 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 06, 2017, 12:56:49 PM
Quote from: Wiz on May 06, 2017, 07:44:38 AM

I have messaged “Manny” asking him to split these posts and let us have a good dialog away from the Trump soap opera. looks that he is lazy today......

We can allow Manny a free day once a month. I agree there are interesting comments and worth a stand alone topic/thread.

Quote from: Wiz on May 06, 2017, 05:20:08 AM

BTW are you aware that the Central Israeli council of Greece KIS (https://www.kis.gr/), is an officially recognised, since 1920, organisation representing all Jewish communities, subsidised by the Greek State and exempt of any taxes?

Are you aware that you represent the Fopdoddle Aluminum Hat Society of the United Kingdom! And you are doing a stand up job!

And you don't like uncomfortable Facts posted here ....Lion boy.

Understandable why you don't like the truth coming out about your "good deeds"?

.............................................. :P ;D

This morning I indeed do a big deed, and I unlike you I did the paper work as well.

Than I brought to church a woman who celebrated her 99th birthday, she marked the day with chocolate cake and a Bloody Mary.

Afterwards I crushed my brother sailing (racing) two bullets and a second.

Now I will enjoy some Scotch, neat. Enough good deeds!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 07, 2017, 10:21:23 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 07, 2017, 04:33:59 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 07, 2017, 03:18:06 AM
Quote from: AvHdB on May 06, 2017, 12:56:49 PM
Quote from: Wiz on May 06, 2017, 07:44:38 AM

I have messaged “Manny” asking him to split these posts and let us have a good dialog away from the Trump soap opera. looks that he is lazy today......

We can allow Manny a free day once a month. I agree there are interesting comments and worth a stand alone topic/thread.

Quote from: Wiz on May 06, 2017, 05:20:08 AM

BTW are you aware that the Central Israeli council of Greece KIS (https://www.kis.gr/), is an officially recognised, since 1920, organisation representing all Jewish communities, subsidised by the Greek State and exempt of any taxes?

Are you aware that you represent the Fopdoddle Aluminum Hat Society of the United Kingdom! And you are doing a stand up job!

And you don't like uncomfortable Facts posted here ....Lion boy.

Understandable why you don't like the truth coming out about your "good deeds"?

.............................................. :P ;D

This morning I indeed do a big deed, and I unlike you I did the paper work as well.

Than I brought to church a woman who celebrated her 99th birthday, she marked the day with chocolate cake and a Bloody Mary.

Afterwards I crushed my brother sailing (racing) two bullets and a second.

Now I will enjoy some Scotch, neat. Enough good deeds!

Paperwork to take an old lady to church? Anyways, congratulations, that really is a good deed. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 08, 2017, 04:37:32 AM

Trump's dislike of the media goes back at least 27 years...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 08, 2017, 09:12:01 AM

Both Hitler and Mussolini said that National Socialism and Fascism respectively were syncretic, that is to say, outside of the left/right paradigm.

It can be argued that National Socialism carried elements of Fascism though. It is much harder to suggest that the Kiev regime in Ukraine is fascistic except in so far as the early supporters of the regime were adherents to the concept of racial purity and the current administration is clearly strongly nationalistic but fascism is much more than racial purity or nationalism. Of course 'New Deal' era USA was plainly inspired by fascistic ideas from the economic and political perspective but somewhat less from the cultural perspective however, of course, there was a strong racial purity/eugenic movement in the USA from the early years of the century until the middle of the century (in legal terms racial purity laws were not overturned until the 1960's and only as the result of very strong social action on the part of millions of activists - not at the behest of the U.S governments of the time) - these ideals were held in common with the fascistic governments and movements in Europe at the same time.

Title: Re: Fascists, Nazi's, Socialists are all left wing radicals
Post by: 2tallbill on May 08, 2017, 02:20:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 06, 2017, 03:03:53 PM

I believe what you wrote and what Hitler claimed about the Nazi party are opposite of the reality. Fascism is clearly "right-wing" and the evidence is that former companies and business owners are allowed to stay in control of those business's whereas in Communism they are murdered and replaced by party hacks usually without any real business experience.

Hitler nationalized entire industries and micromanaged many others.
Mussolini did the same. Liberals aspire to micromanage or nationalize
industries, but they like the fascists are to the right of communism but
far to the left of center.

Liberals allow companies and business owners are allowed to stay in
control of those business's, so they are right wing too?

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 08, 2017, 02:22:51 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 08, 2017, 09:12:01 AM

Both Hitler and Mussolini said that National Socialism and Fascism respectively were syncretic, that is to say, outside of the left/right paradigm.

They can say that, but does it make it true? Hitler signed peace accords with
Neville Chamberlain and Stalin, were they honest agreements?

National Socialism is more far left than it is right. Totalitarianism is more far
left than it is right. Anarchy is more far right than it is far left.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 08, 2017, 03:18:06 PM

Somebody put together a Hodgepodge list of mostly losers who might run
against Trump in 2020. At least they didn't put Hillary's name on the list.

The 43 people who might run against Trump in 2020

read all about it here
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/332156-the-43-people-who-might-run-against-trump-in-2020

Title: Re: Fascists, Nazi's, Socialists are all left wing radicals
Post by: Contrarian on May 08, 2017, 04:23:26 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 08, 2017, 02:20:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 06, 2017, 03:03:53 PM

I believe what you wrote and what Hitler claimed about the Nazi party are opposite of the reality. Fascism is clearly "right-wing" and the evidence is that former companies and business owners are allowed to stay in control of those business's whereas in Communism they are murdered and replaced by party hacks usually without any real business experience.

Hitler nationalized entire industries and micromanaged many others.
Mussolini did the same. Liberals aspire to micromanage or nationalize
industries, but they like the fascists are to the right of communism but
far to the left of center.

Liberals allow companies and business owners are allowed to stay in
control of those business's, so they are right wing too?

It's a good question. The article I linked from Encyclopedia Britannica listed fascism as being on the right.

Now it may be that some scholars have a motivation for that as many "educators" are socialist by nature.

Title: Re: Fascists, Nazi's, Socialists are all left wing radicals
Post by: Contrarian on May 08, 2017, 04:59:24 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 08, 2017, 02:20:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 06, 2017, 03:03:53 PM

I believe what you wrote and what Hitler claimed about the Nazi party are opposite of the reality. Fascism is clearly "right-wing" and the evidence is that former companies and business owners are allowed to stay in control of those business's whereas in Communism they are murdered and replaced by party hacks usually without any real business experience.

Hitler nationalized entire industries and micromanaged many others.
Mussolini did the same. Liberals aspire to micromanage or nationalize
industries, but they like the fascists are to the right of communism but
far to the left of center.

Liberals allow companies and business owners are allowed to stay in
control of those business's, so they are right wing too?

Title: Fascists, Nazi's, Socialists are all left wing radicals
Post by: 2tallbill on May 09, 2017, 12:49:23 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 08, 2017, 04:23:26 PM

It's a good question. The article I linked from Encyclopedia Britannica listed fascism as being on the right.

Now it may be that some scholars have a motivation for that as many "educators" are socialist by nature.

Don't let the left frame the debate, define the terms and make your
argument for you. The entire premise is wrong.

Make them explain how a totalitarian control dictatorship economy
(communism) is left and a slightly less totalitarian control dictatorship
economy (fascism) is right.

While we on the right are low government control, low intervention,
freedom, liberty etc. The further to the right the less and less and
less government control and more and more liberty eventually
leads to anarchy NOT fascism.

The reason that the left has called the Nazi's right wing is because they
killed the Jews and other minorities and were nationalists. Take those
two things away and that is the modern left. They want to be controlled
by a government and they want to control people who don't agree with
them. They want the government to support companies that they like
(who support them and their beliefs) and destroy or nationalize the
industries they hate. (who don't support them)

Saying that two nearly identical political theories are opposites if funny.
I clearly get that Nazi's and Communists are different, but barely different.

In Communist Russia you get an idea to build a super cool car do you get to
build it? No because the means of production and the materials of production
are owned and controlled by the state.

In Nazi Germany you get an idea to build a super cool car do you get to
do it? No because the means are controlled by the state.

In a Capitalist America you get an idea to build a super cool car do you get
to build it? If you can get a few dollars together then yes, you can.

Title: Re: Fascists, Nazi's, Socialists are all left wing radicals
Post by: Contrarian on May 09, 2017, 01:02:39 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 09, 2017, 12:49:23 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 08, 2017, 04:23:26 PM
It's a good question. The article I linked from Encyclopedia Britannica listed fascism as being on the right.

Now it may be that some scholars have a motivation for that as many "educators" are socialist by nature.

Don't let the left frame the debate, define the terms and make your
argument for you. The entire premise is wrong.

Make them explain how a totalitarian control dictatorship economy
(communism) is left and a slightly less totalitarian control dictatorship
economy (fascism) is right.

While we on the right are low government control, low intervention,
freedom, liberty etc. The further to the right the less and less and
less government control and more and more liberty eventually
leads to anarchy NOT fascism.

The reason that the left has called the Nazi's right wing is because they
killed the Jews and other minorities and were nationalists. Take those
two things away and that is the modern left. They want to be controlled
by a government and they want to control people who don't agree with
them. They want the government to support companies that they like
(who support them and their beliefs) and destroy or nationalize the
industries they hate. (who don't support them)

While you make a good argument it could be correctly said that fascism was a response to communism. Hitler and his brownshirts were fighting Bolshevik agitators before Hitler formally came to power.

Which is why it's so incredibly important for those who seek a sensible middle to expose the left-wing agitators in our media, in our Universities and in Hollywood. And especially to expose the true nature of Antifa.

Although TBH I fear it may be too late because the "new generation" as witnessed by the popularity of Bernie Sanders is fascinated with Communism and thinks it is hip.

Our only hope is the "alt-right" which includes odd-balls like Milo. Like him or not his controversial speech gets attention and makes people think.

The alt-right is a hip youth movement which puts corrupt old people like Hillary in her place. Technology may also save us as small private tech companies can deliver goods and services better than a central government.

Title: Re: Fascists, Nazi's, Socialists are all left wing radicals
Post by: AvHdB on May 09, 2017, 01:14:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 09, 2017, 01:02:39 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 09, 2017, 12:49:23 PM
Quote from: Confederate on May 08, 2017, 04:23:26 PM
It's a good question. The article I linked from Encyclopedia Britannica listed fascism as being on the right.

Now it may be that some scholars have a motivation for that as many "educators" are socialist by nature.

Don't let the left frame the debate, define the terms and make your
argument for you. The entire premise is wrong.

Make them explain how a totalitarian control dictatorship economy
(communism) is left and a slightly less totalitarian control dictatorship
economy (fascism) is right.

While we on the right are low government control, low intervention,
freedom, liberty etc. The further to the right the less and less and
less government control and more and more liberty eventually
leads to anarchy NOT fascism.

The reason that the left has called the Nazi's right wing is because they
killed the Jews and other minorities and were nationalists. Take those
two things away and that is the modern left. They want to be controlled
by a government and they want to control people who don't agree with
them. They want the government to support companies that they like
(who support them and their beliefs) and destroy or nationalize the
industries they hate. (who don't support them)

While you make a good argument it could be correctly said that fascism was a response to communism. Hitler and his brownshirts were fighting Bolshevik agitators before Hitler formally came to power.

Which is why it's so incredibly important for those who seek a sensible middle to expose the left-wing agitators in our media, in our Universities and in Hollywood. And especially to expose the true nature of Antifa.

Although TBH I fear it may be too late because the "new generation" as witnessed by the popularity of Bernie Sanders is fascinated with Communism and thinks it is hip.

Our only hope is the "alt-right" which includes odd-balls like Milo. Like him or not his controversial speech gets attention and makes people think.

The alt-right is a hip youth movement which puts corrupt old people like Hillary in her place. Technology may also save us as small private tech companies can deliver goods and services better than a central government.

Confderate, I can understand your standpoint.

The United States has moved far away from an A. Rand type of doctrine or thinking. On the other side we are far removed from what Sinclair Lewis promoted. In the US, I see government moved via a pendulum. The reality is the swings (arcs) are becoming greater.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 09, 2017, 01:39:51 PM

Popka, if you knew something of the history then you'd be fully aware that National Socialism took elements of both left and right and purposefully appealed to a broad political spectrum. You'd know that what was said was practiced.

But yeah watch a movie and be a History Channel 'expert'. ;)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 09, 2017, 03:08:39 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 09, 2017, 01:39:51 PM

Popka, if you knew something of the history then you'd be fully aware that National Socialism took elements of both left and right and purposefully appealed to a broad political spectrum.

I'm sure that they claimed/attempted to. However, the way that they worked
was to create a top down command and control dictatorship. It was far more
similar to the Polish Communists or the current Chinese Communists than it
was to any other sort of government of economy.

There were few free market parts of the Germany economy, but like the
Chinese there were a number of businesses that were allowed to function/profit.
Who calls the current Chinese form of government far right wing?

The Nazi's were far left wing, they incorporated more free market principles
than the Soviets but they were far closer to the Chinese Communists than
they were to to any right wing type of system.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 09, 2017, 03:28:49 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 09, 2017, 01:39:51 PM

But yeah watch a movie and be a History Channel 'expert'. ;)

Try somebody else. I'm not playing. They didn't have the history channel
or the internet when I was a school boy. I had to learn history by cracking
books.

If you have an argument/position that you want to make, you should
make it. If I disagree then I'll debate your argument/position if I have
time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 09, 2017, 04:21:10 PM

Trump fired Comey, all I have to say is its about time!

Title: Re: Fascists, Nazi's, Socialists are all left wing radicals
Post by: Wiz on May 09, 2017, 04:40:29 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 05, 2017, 01:00:04 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 05, 2017, 02:09:46 AM
the right Fascist Party,

Fascists are hard leftist statists, they are to the left of liberals and to the right
of Communists. They are for state control of many industries and segments of
the economy, usually by a leftist dictator.

Popka

Having read most of the articles of the links you provided and some more …….I come to the conclusion that today there are not clear lines of separation of these ideologies.

Andrew made an excellent effort to explain the differences but still he did not separate them in left and right. Today, most people have a problem with correctly understanding the definitions of Left and Right and I am one of them. Part of the problem is that political ideology is not one dimensional - it's at least two dimensional.

As you very well know, the political terms Left and Right were introduced during the French Revolution 1789–1799. They are referring to the seating arrangement in the General Assembly. Those who sat on the left generally opposed the monarchy and supported the revolution, while those on the right were supportive of the traditional institutions of the Old Regime (Monarchy).

In other words back then the definition was:

Left: Against the government aka monarchy (more freedom and equality for the people)

Right: For the government aka monarchy (conservative = everything should stay as it is)

Today I understand it’s like this:

Left: Want more government (but still: more freedom and equality)

Right: Want less government (but still: conservative = everything should stay as it is)

Many right wingers understand that the name “Nazi” is the short name for Hitler’s Party (National Socialist German Workers’ Party). The party called itself a socialist party but the inclusion of the word “National” is right wing. Of course I understand that Hitler was looking for votes in every direction and the Nazi party was in favour of wealth redistribution and welfare state. Then the when the Nazi come to power all changed and the Socialist Nazi party become very authoritarian and war started as Germany needed room to expand.

Hitler built a totalitarian state [completely left], which was highly authoritarian aka fascistic and was national socialistic welfare state but only for Germans. So it was not just left wing but also a right fascist party too.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 09, 2017, 05:54:10 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 09, 2017, 04:21:10 PM

Trump fired Comey, all I have to say is its about time!

Hurray!!! (https://media.giphy.com/media/ApdK24KlYrqjS/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: Fascists, Nazi's, Socialists are all left wing radicals
Post by: 2tallbill on May 09, 2017, 06:06:53 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 09, 2017, 04:40:29 PM

Today I understand it’s like this:

Left: Want more government (but still: more freedom and equality)

Right: Want less government (but still: conservative = everything should stay as it is)

Hitler built a totalitarian state [completely left], which was highly authoritarian aka fascistic and was national socialistic welfare state but only for Germans. So it was not just left wing but also a right fascist party too.

Maybe in the 1960's and 1970's I would agree to your explaination of the left.
But now days the left wants to micromanage peoples lives. In the 1960's the
left didn't care if somebody smoked a little refer and the right did.

These days the left wants to monitor the size/amount of soft drinks you have,
they insist on helmet laws for everything from motorcycles to skate boards.
They want to regulate the oil used in popcorn and the number and size of
holes in Swiss Cheese. They want to regulate what the exact color of the
yellow dotted line that goes down the highway or amount of raisins in a
box of cereal. The left has tried to force people in cars that don't fit them
and a thousand other things.

The modern left is now far more like the Nazi's (without the racism) or the
Chinese in regard to control.

Lastly the left has often used Nationalism. The FSU especially Russia was
and is very nationalistic, from the Great Patriotic War to the Modern Soviet
man to the Olympics etc. Nationalism has been attributed accurately to both
the left and the right.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on May 09, 2017, 06:08:06 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 09, 2017, 04:21:10 PM

Trump fired Comey, all I have to say is its about time!

He was told hundreds of thousands of times that he should.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 09, 2017, 07:02:01 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 09, 2017, 04:21:10 PM

Trump fired Comey, all I have to say is its about time!

I agree with the firing but must say it was handled in a classless and cowardly manner.

With Comey scheduled to testify before Congress in 48 hours, the timing of this decision is open to speculation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 09, 2017, 07:03:37 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 09, 2017, 05:54:10 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 09, 2017, 04:21:10 PM
Trump fired Comey, all I have to say is its about time!

Hurray!!! (https://media.giphy.com/media/ApdK24KlYrqjS/giphy.gif)

Comey should have been fired the first week Trump was in office but he may have waited due to the bogus Russia allegations. Anyways every Trump supporter is happy for sure! :party0031: :party0031: :party0031:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 09, 2017, 07:05:53 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2017, 07:02:01 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 09, 2017, 04:21:10 PM
Trump fired Comey, all I have to say is its about time!

I agree with the firing but must say it was handled in a classless and cowardly manner.

With Comey scheduled to testify before Congress in 48 hours, the timing of this decision is open to speculation.

Keep watching Maddow on MSNBC and she will keep telling you how to think. :sick0012:

Trump had the appropriate advice from the Justice dept. and he acted accordingly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 09, 2017, 07:12:02 PM

Quote from: tfcrew on May 09, 2017, 06:08:06 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 09, 2017, 04:21:10 PM
Trump fired Comey, all I have to say is its about time!

He was told hundreds of thousands of times that he should.

First week would have been my choice and hire a special prosecutor to prosecute Hillary Clinton for felony mishandling of classified material and sedition/treason for giving that material to Muslim Brotherhood spy Huma Abedin. Obviously prosecute Huma as well, and if need be her husband Anthony the Weiner for attempts to solicit underage girls for sex.

Title: Re: Fascists, Nazi's, Socialists are all left wing radicals
Post by: Contrarian on May 09, 2017, 07:20:03 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 09, 2017, 06:06:53 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 09, 2017, 04:40:29 PM

Today I understand it’s like this:

Left: Want more government (but still: more freedom and equality)

Right: Want less government (but still: conservative = everything should stay as it is)

Hitler built a totalitarian state [completely left], which was highly authoritarian aka fascistic and was national socialistic welfare state but only for Germans. So it was not just left wing but also a right fascist party too.

Maybe in the 1960's and 1970's I would agree to your explaination of the left.
But now days the left wants to micromanage peoples lives. In the 1960's the
left didn't care if somebody smoked a little refer and the right did.

These days the left wants to monitor the size/amount of soft drinks you have,
they insist on helmet laws for everything from motorcycles to skate boards.
They want to regulate the oil used in popcorn and the number and size of
holes in Swiss Cheese. They want to regulate what the exact color of the
yellow dotted line that goes down the highway or amount of raisins in a
box of cereal. The left has tried to force people in cars that don't fit them
and a thousand other things.

The modern left is now far more like the Nazi's (without the racism) or the
Chinese in regard to control.

I believe you're wrong about racism: the left continues the Marxist doctrine of class warfare and in this case the left applauds white males having a high suicide rate and they've even said white genocide might be necessary (excluding the elite whites in the preferred party of course).

Oddly enough it's been mostly the left pushing for war with Syria. The left was once the peace party that understood overseas wars were a waste of human life and treasure. Not any more.

Title: Fascists, Nazi's, Socialists are all left wing radicals
Post by: 2tallbill on May 09, 2017, 07:33:13 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 09, 2017, 07:20:03 PM

I believe you're wrong about racism: the left continues the Marxist doctrine of class warfare and in this case the left applauds white males having a high suicide rate and they've even said white genocide might be necessary (excluding the elite whites in the preferred party of course).

Oddly enough it's been mostly the left pushing for war with Syria. The left was once the peace party that understood overseas wars were a waste of human life and treasure. Not any more.

It's not about race it's about ideology. Warren Buffet rich old white guy is
good because he gives to liberal causes. Ted Kennedy rich old fat white
guy who nailed his secretary and left her to die is good because he is a
lib.

Title: Re: Fascists, Nazi's, Socialists are all left wing radicals
Post by: Contrarian on May 09, 2017, 07:45:12 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 09, 2017, 07:33:13 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 09, 2017, 07:20:03 PM
I believe you're wrong about racism: the left continues the Marxist doctrine of class warfare and in this case the left applauds white males having a high suicide rate and they've even said white genocide might be necessary (excluding the elite whites in the preferred party of course).

Oddly enough it's been mostly the left pushing for war with Syria. The left was once the peace party that understood overseas wars were a waste of human life and treasure. Not any more.

It's not about race it's about ideology. Warren Buffet rich old white guy is
good because he gives to liberal causes. Ted Kennedy rich old fat white
guy who nailed his secretary and left her to die is good because he is a
lib.

call it what you want. If Hitlery had won she would have done her best to seize firearms. then next would come the ethnic cleansing of white blue collar types like me.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 09, 2017, 07:46:08 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 09, 2017, 04:21:10 PM

Trump fired Comey, all I have to say is its about time!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_beNJPXYAE_lx8.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 09, 2017, 08:35:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 09, 2017, 07:05:53 PM

Trump had the appropriate advice from the Justice dept. and he acted accordingly.

I said I agreed with the firing.

But by letter when he was 3500 miles away?

Classless and cowardly. Period.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on May 09, 2017, 09:05:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2017, 07:02:01 PM

I agree with the firing but must say it was handled in a classless and cowardly manner.

With Comey scheduled to testify before Congress in 48 hours, the timing of this decision is open to speculation.

Do you mean a cover up, Shakey ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39866645 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39866645)

Did President Trump fire James Comey as part of a cover-up?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 09, 2017, 09:54:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2017, 08:35:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 09, 2017, 07:05:53 PM
Trump had the appropriate advice from the Justice dept. and he acted accordingly.

I said I agreed with the firing.

But by letter when he was 3500 miles away?

Classless and cowardly. Period.

You just won't give the guy a break will you?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 09, 2017, 09:58:00 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2017, 08:35:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 09, 2017, 07:05:53 PM
Trump had the appropriate advice from the Justice dept. and he acted accordingly.

I said I agreed with the firing.

But by letter when he was 3500 miles away?

Classless and cowardly. Period.

Comey covering for that Crooked Hag Hillary is what was classless and cowardly. I don't really give a damn how he was fired, he needed to go.

https://twitter.com/JustMy_NameHere/status/862070496019578881

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 09, 2017, 10:01:09 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 09, 2017, 09:54:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2017, 08:35:24 PM
Quote from: Confederate on May 09, 2017, 07:05:53 PM
Trump had the appropriate advice from the Justice dept. and he acted accordingly.

I said I agreed with the firing.

But by letter when he was 3500 miles away?

Classless and cowardly. Period.

You just won't give the guy a break will you?

Shakespeare was clearly never a fan of Trump.

Trump has some rough edges and he had an ego.

But he just appointed 10 more Conservative Judges. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 09, 2017, 10:13:28 PM

Comey "colored outside the lines and brought disrepute to the agency". That's been confirmed more than once: many rank and file FBI agents were furious he did not recommend charges against Hillary Clinton.

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/862068621538803716

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 09, 2017, 10:35:20 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_cEyA9XcAIYipi.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on May 10, 2017, 03:08:46 AM

Looks like both the Democrats and the Republicans are throwing a nixon-hissy-fit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 10, 2017, 12:56:27 PM

Quote from: msmoby on May 09, 2017, 09:05:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2017, 07:02:01 PM

I agree with the firing but must say it was handled in a classless and cowardly manner.

With Comey scheduled to testify before Congress in 48 hours, the timing of this decision is open to speculation.

Do you mean a cover up, Shakey ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39866645 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39866645)

Did President Trump fire James Comey as part of a cover-up?

Ignorance is bliss. Comey did indeed participate in a cover-up. He was silent in regards to multiple felonies committed by Hillary Clinton, and he abstained from recommending to AG Lynch to prosecute her (not that she would have, as the fix was already in).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 10, 2017, 01:22:15 PM

Quote from: Markje on May 10, 2017, 03:08:46 AM

Looks like both the Democrats and the Republicans are throwing a nixon-hissy-fit.

https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/862384616602251266

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 10, 2017, 01:29:14 PM

Manufacturing openings rise under Trump.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/manufacturing-openings-hires-rise-to-highest-levels-of-the-recovery/article/2622515

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 10, 2017, 01:30:17 PM

Quote from: msmoby on May 09, 2017, 09:05:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2017, 07:02:01 PM

I agree with the firing but must say it was handled in a classless and cowardly manner.

With Comey scheduled to testify before Congress in 48 hours, the timing of this decision is open to speculation.

Do you mean a cover up, Shakey ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39866645 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39866645)

Did President Trump fire James Comey as part of a cover-up?

BBC is Fake News.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 10, 2017, 01:32:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 10, 2017, 12:56:27 PM

Quote from: msmoby on May 09, 2017, 09:05:17 PM
Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2017, 07:02:01 PM

I agree with the firing but must say it was handled in a classless and cowardly manner.

With Comey scheduled to testify before Congress in 48 hours, the timing of this decision is open to speculation.

Do you mean a cover up, Shakey ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39866645 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39866645)

Did President Trump fire James Comey as part of a cover-up?

Ignorance is bliss. Comey did indeed participate in a cover-up. He was silent in regards to multiple felonies committed by Hillary Clinton, and he abstained from recommending to AG Lynch to prosecute her (not that she would have, as the fix was already in).

The real Russian collusion was with Hillary Clinton in a pay to play scheme involving her state dept. approving a Uranium deal on behalf of Russia and $$$$ flowing into her fake foundation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 10, 2017, 01:36:45 PM

Meanwhile warmonger McCain, a bud of Moby's for sure, admits to being the source of the bogus Russia "golden shower" allegation and handing it to the FBI.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/john-mccain-admits-handing-donald-trump-russia-dossier-claims-to-fbi-intelligence-leak-republican-a7523551.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 10, 2017, 01:44:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2017, 08:35:24 PM

Classless and cowardly. Period.

Wrong,

Firing the guy while he was outside his office was the way to do it.

Comey decided that he wanted to be part of the spectacle, he had
visions of being a J Edgar Hoover kingmaker/destroyer. If I were
Trump I would have ordered to him to the oval office on day three
and fired him there on the spot.

There was no way to fire Comey in a classy way.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 10, 2017, 01:46:56 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 10, 2017, 01:22:15 PM

Quote from: Markje on May 10, 2017, 03:08:46 AM
Looks like both the Democrats and the Republicans are throwing a nixon-hissy-fit.

https://twitter.com/Thomas1774Paine/status/862384616602251266

Democrats throwing a hissy fit is just their usual hypocrisy. Had Hillary won she also would have fired Comey but it would have happened on day one.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_e1GVbWsAEY7a-.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on May 10, 2017, 01:50:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2017, 08:35:24 PM

I said I agreed with the firing.

But by letter when he was 3500 miles away?

Classless and cowardly.

By 'letter' do you mean he tweeted him?
Maybe he should have had him come on The Apprentice and then fired him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 10, 2017, 01:57:11 PM

Quote from: tfcrew on May 10, 2017, 01:50:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2017, 08:35:24 PM

I said I agreed with the firing.

But by letter when he was 3500 miles away?

Classless and cowardly.

By 'letter' do you mean he tweeted him?
Maybe he should have had him come on The Apprentice and then fired him.

3500 miles away? Since when is California 3,500 miles away from WA DC? Am I having a brain spasm? Thought it were only 3K miles coast to coast.

By letter he send his dude who hand carried the letter to the FBI. His private security guy from before he was Prez.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 10, 2017, 03:03:10 PM

Trump And Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov
Finally Meet, All Goes Well

(https://i2.wp.com/www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Lavrov-And-Trump.jpg?resize=618%2C343)

Well, well, well.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov holds a Q&A session in the Russian embassy in Washington DC following his meeting with US President Donald Trump and US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson on Wednesday, 10 May 2017.

I am sure Confederate and few others will be happy! tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 10, 2017, 05:16:43 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 10, 2017, 03:03:10 PM

Trump And Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov
Finally Meet, All Goes Well

(https://i2.wp.com/www.occidentaldissent.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Lavrov-And-Trump.jpg?resize=618%2C343)

Well, well, well.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov holds a Q&A session in the Russian embassy in Washington DC following his meeting with US President Donald Trump and US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson on Wednesday, 10 May 2017.

I am sure Confederate and few others will be happy! tiphat

I am happy about this meeting. The USA and Russia should absolutely have a good working relationship based on trust. We see that the deep state in the US and the usual warmongers like McCain and Graham did their best to derail this relationship.

We should be friends and we should cooperate as much as possible, for our own benefit and for the benefit of World peace.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on May 10, 2017, 08:08:57 PM

President Trump's Star On Hollywood Walk of Fame Vandalized Again...and again...and again

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2017/04/23/0423-donald-trump-star-vandalized-tmz-6.jpg)
Donald Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame was vandalized again, only this time with a magic marker ... instead of a pick ax.

Someone scribbled "F*** Trump" on the President's star on Hollywood Blvd. at some point this weekend. Law enforcement sources at LAPD
tell us tell us they were not aware of the vandalism. <<right!

http://www.tmz.com/2017/04/23/donald-trump-star-vandalized-magic-marker/

(https://media.townhall.com/townhall/reu/ha/uploads/2017/5/8/4.png)

President Trump's star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame has been vandalized before--with spray paint, a small wall, and even a pick axe. The latest act of vandalism, however, is certainly a new one: someone has installed golden toilet next to the star.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/christinerousselle/2017/05/08/president-trumps-star-on-hollywood-walk-of-fame-vandalized-again-n2323920

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 11, 2017, 05:32:37 PM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 11, 2017, 09:47:10 PM

just for you, Moby.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_lgKuxVYAEVxJx.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 12, 2017, 02:09:37 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2017, 08:35:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 09, 2017, 07:05:53 PM
Trump had the appropriate advice from the Justice dept. and he acted accordingly.

I said I agreed with the firing.

But by letter when he was 3500 miles away?

Initially I was of the opinion that the timing didn't matter; just get it over with. But this gave me a chuckle. :chuckle:

https://twitter.com/JMcfeels/status/862930382840242177

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 12, 2017, 02:22:09 PM

Trump THREATENING Comey by Twitter?

Yet ANOTHER unforced error.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 12, 2017, 04:51:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 12, 2017, 02:22:09 PM

Trump THREATENING Comey by Twitter?

Yet ANOTHER unforced error.

We don't live in the 1960's anymore, try adjusting to the modern world. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on May 12, 2017, 07:24:05 PM

I'm watching the gong show wondering when the impeachment will begin.
Hollywood couldn't make this shit up! ????

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 12, 2017, 09:08:53 PM

Obama Care continues to fall apart. Is this the last nail in the coffin?

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-10/aetna-is-latest-health-insurer-to-quit-obamacare-markets?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 12, 2017, 09:29:48 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 12, 2017, 09:08:53 PM

Obama Care continues to fall apart. Is this the last nail in the coffin?

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-10/aetna-is-latest-health-insurer-to-quit-obamacare-markets?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

"Aetna had indicated it might pull out earlier this month, when Chief Financial Officer Shawn Guertin said the company would take steps to limit its financial losses in the program. Aetna has said it expects to lose more than $200 million on individual health plans this year in the four states where it’s still selling Affordable Care Act plans."

I'd get out too if I knew I was going to take a $200,000,000 bath. "Affordable Care"? Not for the insurance companies

Of course when the whole thing crashes and burns and people are rioting in the streets the MSM will blame Trump and the Republicans and not Obama and the Democrats of 2010 who created this disaster. It should be driven home that even Obama had the implementation of it well past the 2012 election and the full version right about the time he was leaving office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 12, 2017, 10:55:57 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 12, 2017, 09:29:48 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 12, 2017, 09:08:53 PM
Obama Care continues to fall apart. Is this the last nail in the coffin?

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-10/aetna-is-latest-health-insurer-to-quit-obamacare-markets?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

"Aetna had indicated it might pull out earlier this month, when Chief Financial Officer Shawn Guertin said the company would take steps to limit its financial losses in the program. Aetna has said it expects to lose more than $200 million on individual health plans this year in the four states where it’s still selling Affordable Care Act plans."

I'd get out too if I knew I was going to take a $200,000,000 bath. "Affordable Care"? Not for the insurance companies

Of course when the whole thing crashes and burns and people are rioting in the streets the MSM will blame Trump and the Republicans and not Obama and the Democrats of 2010 who created this disaster. It should be driven home that even Obama had the implementation of it well past the 2012 election and the full version right about the time he was leaving office.

I agree with you 100%. People who can read and think for themselves figure this stuff out.

And then there are characters like Donhollio. :laugh:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-thanks-to-jonathan-gruber-for-revealing-obamacare-deception/2014/11/17/356514b2-6e72-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html?utm_term=.b30f3309b741

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 12, 2017, 11:02:58 PM

Meanwhile the FBI may reopen the investigation of Hillary Clinton now that Comey her former protector is gone.

http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/uh-oh-hillary-fbi-could-reopen-emailgate/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 13, 2017, 12:56:31 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on May 12, 2017, 07:24:05 PM

I'm watching the gong show wondering when the impeachment will begin.
Hollywood couldn't make this shit up! ????

Lulz. The libs are jacking themselves off at night to the thought of a Trump Impeachment.

The Cold, Hard Truth called: It ain't happening.¹

The libs are actually in the position they are best suited for: totally locked out of power, getting railed in the ass and squealing like Ned Beatty in "Deliverance".

And 2018 doesn't look any better for them. They have 2.5x as may Senators up for re-election, something like ten of them in states that Trump won. The GOP? Nine (was eight, but then Jeff Sessions became AG - There will be a special election in December to fill that seat until 2021), of which only ONE of which is in a state that Hillary! carried. Anyone think the GOP is going to lose in Alabama? Mississippi? Utah? Texas? Wyoming? Nebraska? Tennessee? Yeah, thought not. Those seven states, plus the 43 they have that are NOT up give the GOP 50 which, with Pence, give them control of the Senate.

From there it's a question of how big the GOP majority becomes. If Jeff Flake runs again in AZ, he likely wins. The only GOP incumbent running in a state that went for H-Rod is Dean Heller in NV, which was +2.5% Hlllary. Heller won an open seat in 2012 by 1% of the vote, propelled by a big win in Washoe County, which was one of only two counties (the other being Clark County, home of Las Vegas) counties to go for Hillary. A lot of money is going to get poured into that race.

Beyond that, I'd expect to see at least 5 states swing GOP: WV, IN, MT, ND and MO being the most likely in my view. We'll see. The Dems keep prattling on about this year's "Payback Tuesday" but so far the are 0-6 in state and federal races since the election that they could have flipped. Their best shot was in GA-6, but only because GA has a "Jungle" primary, so the Dems mostly coalesced around him (48% of the vote--50%+1 and he'd have won outright, which the Dems were desperately trying for). The problem the Dems have there is that there were *11* Republicans running who, all told, carried ~51% of the vote. So look for that district to stay GOP in the June special election.

Verdict: This election cycle, the Dems are basically clawing at the inside of the coffin.

¹ Unless he does something actually impeachable, but so far no evidence of that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 13, 2017, 03:45:24 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 12, 2017, 10:55:57 PM

I agree with you 100%. People who can read and think for themselves figure this stuff out.

And then there are characters like Donhollio. :laugh:

You got to take it easy on my liberal friends. We go waaaaaaaaayyyy back to the time when mail for RW went by either fax, snail mail or through the internet cafe. Those were the glory days when you can purchase contact info out of printed catalogs. We date back pre-911

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 13, 2017, 03:50:35 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 13, 2017, 12:56:31 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on May 12, 2017, 07:24:05 PM
I'm watching the gong show wondering when the impeachment will begin.
Hollywood couldn't make this shit up! ????

Lulz. The libs are jacking themselves off at night to the thought of a Trump Impeachment.

The Cold, Hard Truth called: It ain't happening.¹

The libs are actually in the position they are best suited for: totally locked out of power, getting railed in the ass and squealing like Ned Beatty in "Deliverance".

And 2018 doesn't look any better for them. They have 2.5x as may Senators up for re-election, something like ten of them in states that Trump won. The GOP? Nine (was eight, but then Jeff Sessions became AG - There will be a special election in December to fill that seat until 2021), of which only ONE of which is in a state that Hillary! carried. Anyone think the GOP is going to lose in Alabama? Mississippi? Utah? Texas? Wyoming? Nebraska? Tennessee? Yeah, thought not. Those seven states, plus the 43 they have that are NOT up give the GOP 50 which, with Pence, give them control of the Senate.

From there it's a question of how big the GOP majority becomes. If Jeff Flake runs again in AZ, he likely wins. The only GOP incumbent running in a state that went for H-Rod is Dean Heller in NV, which was +2.5% Hlllary. Heller won an open seat in 2012 by 1% of the vote, propelled by a big win in Washoe County, which was one of only two counties (the other being Clark County, home of Las Vegas) counties to go for Hillary. A lot of money is going to get poured into that race.

Beyond that, I'd expect to see at least 5 states swing GOP: WV, IN, MT, ND and MO being the most likely in my view. We'll see. The Dems keep prattling on about this year's "Payback Tuesday" but so far the are 0-6 in state and federal races since the election that they could have flipped. Their best shot was in GA-6, but only because GA has a "Jungle" primary, so the Dems mostly coalesced around him (48% of the vote--50%+1 and he'd have won outright, which the Dems were desperately trying for). The problem the Dems have there is that there were *11* Republicans running who, all told, carried ~51% of the vote. So look for that district to stay GOP in the June special election.

Verdict: This election cycle, the Dems are basically clawing at the inside of the coffin.

¹ Unless he does something actually impeachable, but so far no evidence of that.

But B.B., won't the Dems muck everything up by holding everything up and the brain dead American people will blame on the perceived party in power and on Trump?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on May 13, 2017, 07:49:05 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 13, 2017, 12:56:31 AM

Lulz. The libs are jacking themselves off at night to the thought of a Trump Impeachment.

This President of yours is akin to Mr Bean and Benny Hill all rolled into one ... Maximum entertainment - but scary that he can have control of the 'football' ... Dr Strangelove

How long before the 38-40 percent who still approve of him 'wake up' ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 13, 2017, 09:18:34 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 13, 2017, 12:56:31 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on May 12, 2017, 07:24:05 PM
I'm watching the gong show wondering when the impeachment will begin.
Hollywood couldn't make this shit up! ????

Lulz. The libs are jacking themselves off at night to the thought of a Trump Impeachment.

The Cold, Hard Truth called: It ain't happening.¹

The libs are actually in the position they are best suited for: totally locked out of power, getting railed in the ass and squealing like Ned Beatty in "Deliverance".

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 13, 2017, 10:52:51 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 12, 2017, 02:22:09 PM

Trump THREATENING Comey by Twitter?

Yet ANOTHER unforced error.

Skakey,

Comey had aspirations to be the next J Edgar Hoover. What do you do, read
Salon, Mother Jones and the Nation each morning?

Comey had press conferences without informing or getting permission from
his bosses at justice about the content. He had a several J Edgar Hoover type
things that he would threaten to reveal if he was fired. He had no business
having a press conference about Hillary's emails if he wasn't going to indict
her and he had no business saying that he didn't think she did anything
worthy of prosecution. That's not his job, not his call and he has been way
off the reservation for years. Comey thought that he was the law by himself.

Firing Comey while he was out of the office traveling was the smartest thing
to do. What next Shakespeare? You going to ask for a special council?
I predict before this is done that you do exactly that.

The GOP electorate didn't want Jeb or Romney or Bob Dole or Gerald Ford
or another guy that would behave as you would like. Those guys are/were
losers. They were punching bags. George W Bush took down the entire GOP
but you would have loved how he handled this. Remember how the left tore
him up when he fired a few of Bill Clintons US attorneys?

The GOP needs to stop acting how the DMC tells them to.

Personally, I would instruct the Attorney General to investigate the
Clinton foundation and payola while leaking progress notes every Monday
and Thursday. Then the entire DMC will be running her defense instead of
using 100% of their efforts going after Trump every day. They will still go
after Trump but only with 50% of their effort.

That's my opinion

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 13, 2017, 10:54:24 AM

Quote from: Maxx on May 13, 2017, 03:50:35 AM

But B.B., won't the Dems muck everything up by holding everything up and the brain dead American people will blame on the perceived party in power and on Trump?

Oh, I expect that the Dems will try to do exactly that, and that McConnell will not hesitate to use the 'nuclear option' on legislation, if it comes down to it. I don't think he wants to do it, but if backed up against a wall, he will, ultimately. Or he can simply attach everything to a budget resolution, which cannot be filibustered.

McConnell's hand may be strengthened after the mid-terms if the GOP picks up seats. Trump was supposed to lose and drag the Senate down with him. Instead, he helped propel the GOP to victory in PA, MO and WI, all of which he carried. The GOP was never going to hold IL, and Kelly Ayotte lost NH after walking away from Trump and announcing she was 'writing in Mike Pence' because she's a mother/has a vagina/whatever. Anyway, she lost (Trump lost NH by <0.5%). Ayotte ran a bit ahead of Trump but was most likely hurt by the presence of a Libertarian candidate in the race, as L's tend to siphon off votes from R's.

The Bottom Line: The GOP held the Senate when they were supposed to lose it because of Trump. At least 2 senators owe him their seats when he carried traditionally Dem states (PA hadn't gone GOP since 1988 and WI since 1984).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 13, 2017, 11:34:44 AM

Quote from: Popka! on May 13, 2017, 10:52:51 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 12, 2017, 02:22:09 PM
Trump THREATENING Comey by Twitter?

Yet ANOTHER unforced error.

Personally, I would instruct the Attorney General to investigate the
Clinton foundation and payola while leaking progress notes every Monday
and Thursday. Then the entire DMC will be running her defense instead of
using 100% of their efforts going after Trump every day. They will still go
after Trump but only with 50% of their effort.

:thumbsup:
Agree 100%.

PS what is DMC? I am familiar with Democratic National Committee, but not DMC. (?)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 13, 2017, 05:42:04 PM

This an old but interesting article to read.

A “Color Revolution” Is Under Way in the United States

http://www.unz.com/tsaker/a-color-revolution-is-under-way-in-the-united-states/

and here is an updated analysis for the latest Trump Actions.

http://www.unz.com/tsaker/how-to-bring-down-the-elephant-in-the-room/

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 13, 2017, 08:30:36 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on May 12, 2017, 07:24:05 PM

I'm watching the gong show wondering when the impeachment will begin.
Hollywood couldn't make this shit up! ????

If you really believe that then these morons must be hero's of yours.

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/863459396050931713

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 14, 2017, 02:13:58 PM

Trump was interviewed last night by Fox News and he stated that the wall will indeed be built. I'll believe it when I see it yet I'm certainly happy that there appears to be progress and furthermore illegal crossings are down by 73% due to enforcement of existing laws. :bow:

https://twitter.com/passionatechica/status/863812209734017024

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on May 14, 2017, 03:27:14 PM

Comey and the storm in teacup LOL! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Comey is a presidential appointee. Trump is President.

Trump fires Comey. He is the President, he can do that... He does not need to justify himself or give any reason.

All this talk of impeachment is just bull shite but Trump needs to keep his mouth shut on the internet.

He should just keep quiet. No reasons. The exercise of power is enough.

IMHO Comey is a duplicitous SOB. Hope he rots in retirement...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 14, 2017, 04:28:08 PM

The REAL Reason Trump Fired Comey

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 14, 2017, 06:20:27 PM

Quote from: leslied on May 14, 2017, 03:27:14 PM

Comey and the storm in teacup LOL! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Comey is a presidential appointee. Trump is President.

Trump fires Comey. He is the President, he can do that... He does not need to justify himself or give any reason.

All this talk of impeachment is just bull shite but Trump needs to keep his mouth shut on the internet.

He should just keep quiet. No reasons. The exercise of power is enough.

IMHO Comey is a duplicitous SOB. Hope he rots in retirement...

Comey has always been corrupt. Going back to the Whitewater situation it was Comey who let the Clinton's off back then.

Good riddance to Comey and his firing was long overdue. I agree Trump should keep his mouth shut on the net.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 14, 2017, 09:00:33 PM

Quote from: leslied on May 14, 2017, 03:27:14 PM

Comey and the storm in teacup LOL! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Comey is a presidential appointee. Trump is President.

Trump fires Comey. He is the President, he can do that... He does not need to justify himself or give any reason.

All this talk of impeachment is just bull shite but Trump needs to keep his mouth shut on the internet.

He should just keep quiet. No reasons. The exercise of power is enough.

IMHO Comey is a duplicitous SOB. Hope he rots in retirement...

I suspect some are not seeing all the smoke.

P. J. Manafort, M. T. Flynn, J. Sessions, J. Kushner,

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on May 15, 2017, 08:51:54 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 13, 2017, 08:30:36 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on May 12, 2017, 07:24:05 PM
I'm watching the gong show wondering when the impeachment will begin.
Hollywood couldn't make this shit up! ????

If you really believe that then these morons must be hero's of yours.

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/863459396050931713

Hate to pull a reality but if Trump is found to be trying to block an investigation into the FBI's work, it's against the law.
But I know you fellas live in an alt facts world, probably think Kelly Conjob is a great rep for Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 15, 2017, 09:16:47 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on May 15, 2017, 08:51:54 AM

Hate to pull a reality but if Trump is found to be trying to block an investigation into the FBI's work, it's against the law.
But I know you fellas live in an alt facts world, probably think Kelly Conjob is a great rep for Trump.

Actually Don, for her age, I think Kelly Ann is pretty hot. :loving:

https://www.google.com/search?q=kellyanne+conway+swimming+pool&rlz=1C1VFKB_enUS617US619&tbm=isch&imgil=-b3fBZPLodAVoM%253A%253BkiRV8PesLfYcjM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%25252Fnews%25252Farticle-3979738%25252FPICTURE-EXCLUSIVE-Kellyanne-Conway-breaks-bathing-suit-manages-sneak-away-Team-Trump-brief-family-vacation-finds-time-TV-appearances.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=-b3fBZPLodAVoM%253A%252CkiRV8PesLfYcjM%252C_&usg=__8iv_q9sZuTmx3iA3gXzSqzU-oL4%3D&ved=0ahUKEwjoyufEmPLTAhUE7yYKHW9ABwgQyjcIOw&ei=NMYZWejgC4TemwHvgJ1A&biw=1440&bih=745#imgrc=-b3fBZPLodAVoM:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 15, 2017, 11:09:05 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on May 15, 2017, 08:51:54 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 13, 2017, 08:30:36 PM
Quote from: Donhollio on May 12, 2017, 07:24:05 PM
I'm watching the gong show wondering when the impeachment will begin.
Hollywood couldn't make this shit up! ????

If you really believe that then these morons must be hero's of yours.

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/863459396050931713
Hate to pull a reality but if Trump is found to be trying to block an investigation into the FBI's work, it's against the law.

Investigation into what? Whether or not he's ever had Russian salad dressing on his salad?

There is ZERO evidence of any collusion between Trump and Russia in regards the election.

There was extensive evidence of collusion between Hillary and Russia. The media ignored it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 15, 2017, 11:31:12 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 15, 2017, 11:09:05 AM

There is ZERO evidence of any collusion between Trump and Russia in regards the election.

Confederate is absolutely right on this point.

"Special Prosecutors" are only appointed when it is know that a crime has been committed.

And even if the investigative bodies discover "collusion", it's not a chargeable crime but an ethics violation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 15, 2017, 11:38:26 AM

From Ann Coulter

Conservative pundit and ardent Trump supporter Ann Coulter is starting to think President Trump's detractors might have a point. In an interview Sunday with The Daily Caller, Coulter admitted that she is "not very happy with what has happened" in Trump's presidency. "It's just that it has been such a disaster so far," said Coulter, who wrote the book In Trump We Trust.

She said that "everyone who voted for him knew his personality was grotesque," but they'd been banking on Trump to act on the issues — and so far he hasn't. "It's not like I'm out yet, but boy, things don't look good. I've said to other people, 'It's as if we're in Chicago and Trump tells us he's going to get us to L.A. in six days. But for the first three days we are driving towards New York. Yes, it is true he can still turn around and get us to L.A. in three days, but I'm a little nervous.'"

Still, Coulter insisted she has no regrets about supporting Trump, who she described as "our last shot." However, she admitted that if "we just keep going to New York," she'll have to say the "Trump-haters were right." "It's a nightmare. I can't even contemplate that," Coulter said. "Right now I'm still rooting for him to turn around and take us toward L.A."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 15, 2017, 12:43:44 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 15, 2017, 11:31:12 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 15, 2017, 11:09:05 AM
There is ZERO evidence of any collusion between Trump and Russia in regards the election.

Confederate is absolutely right on this point.

"Special Prosecutors" are only appointed when it is know that a crime has been committed.

And even if the investigative bodies discover "collusion", it's not a chargeable crime but an ethics violation.

As usual if there is anything wrong going on, guess what, it leads to Democrats. :coffeeread:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/02/18/no-one-mentions-that-the-russian-trail-leads-to-democratic-lobbyists/#5507d6ad3991

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 15, 2017, 08:02:02 PM

More fake Trump news.

Report: President Trump Revealed Classified Information to Russia

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/report-president-trump-revealed-classified-information-russia-n759846

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 15, 2017, 08:37:05 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 15, 2017, 08:02:02 PM

More fake Trump news.

Report: President Trump Revealed Classified Information to Russia

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/report-president-trump-revealed-classified-information-russia-n759846

Totally fake news. The "source" was the Washington Compost. What do you expect?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4508898/Did-Trump-leak-classified-info-Russians.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 15, 2017, 09:58:22 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on May 15, 2017, 08:51:54 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 13, 2017, 08:30:36 PM
Quote from: Donhollio on May 12, 2017, 07:24:05 PM
I'm watching the gong show wondering when the impeachment will begin.
Hollywood couldn't make this shit up! ????

If you really believe that then these morons must be hero's of yours.

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/863459396050931713

Hate to pull a reality but if Trump is found to be trying to block an investigation into the FBI's work, it's against the law.
But I know you fellas live in an alt facts world, probably think Kelly Conjob is a great rep for Trump.

BTW you liberal Canuck's should mind your own doorstep.

https://twitter.com/SoCal4Trump/status/864321688774656000

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on May 16, 2017, 01:28:11 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 15, 2017, 08:02:02 PM

More fake Trump news.

Report: President Trump Revealed Classified Information to Russia

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/report-president-trump-revealed-classified-information-russia-n759846

I saw this in Dutch newspapers too.

Even if it were real, I applaud trump for releasing this information. Wars are lost when information is not shared and aren't we supposed to be fighting and winning from ISIS? Or does the USA have a different goal and withholding information because it exposes them not trying to win a war.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 16, 2017, 03:06:29 AM

The Clinton Crime Family plays pretty rough...

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/254852337-story

Family's private investigator: There is evidence Seth Rich had contact with WikiLeaks prior to death

WASHINGTON - It has been almost a year since Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich was murdered in the nation's capital. There have been no solid answers about why he was killed until now.

Rich was shot and killed last July in Northwest D.C and police have suggested the killing in the District's Bloomingdale neighborhood was a botched robbery. However, online conspiracy theories have tied the murder to Rich's work at the DNC.

Just two months shy of the one-year anniversary of Rich's death, FOX 5 has learned there is new information that could prove these theorists right.

Seth Rich Family's private investigator: There is evidence Seth Rich had contact with WikiLeaks prior to death
Rod Wheeler, a private investigator hired by the Rich family, suggests there is tangible evidence on Rich's laptop that confirms he was communicating with WikiLeaks prior to his death.

Now, questions have been raised on why D.C. police, the lead agency on this murder investigation for the past ten months, have insisted this was a robbery gone bad when there appears to be no evidence to suggest that.

Wheeler, a former D.C. police homicide detective, is running a parallel investigation into Rich’s murder. He said he believes there is a cover-up and the police department has been told to back down from the investigation.

"The police department nor the FBI have been forthcoming,” said Wheeler. “They haven't been cooperating at all. I believe that the answer to solving his death lies on that computer, which I believe is either at the police department or either at the FBI. I have been told both.”

When we asked Wheeler if his sources have told him there is information that links Rich to Wikileaks, he said, “Absolutely. Yeah. That's confirmed."

Wheeler also told us, "I have a source inside the police department that has looked at me straight in the eye and said, ‘Rod, we were told to stand down on this case and I can’t share any information with you.’ Now, that is highly unusual for a murder investigation, especially from a police department. Again, I don’t think it comes from the chief’s office, but I do believe there is a correlation between the mayor's office and the DNC and that is the information that will come out [Tuesday].
====================================================================================

To TRUMP. Do some housecleaning and get some good agents to investigate this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 16, 2017, 05:18:36 AM

(http://i67.tinypic.com/5o5ukn.png)

And I thought it was Putin?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 16, 2017, 12:35:06 PM

Quote from: leslied on May 14, 2017, 03:27:14 PM

Comey and the storm in teacup LOL! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Comey is a presidential appointee. Trump is President.

Trump fires Comey. He is the President, he can do that... He does not need to justify himself or give any reason.

All this talk of impeachment is just bull shite but Trump needs to keep his mouth shut on the internet.

He should just keep quiet. No reasons. The exercise of power is enough.

IMHO Comey is a duplicitous SOB. Hope he rots in retirement...

Here is the newspaper article from back when Comey let the Clinton's off the first time.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_86OVAVwAEYmcD.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 16, 2017, 12:41:12 PM

Quote from: Maxx on May 16, 2017, 03:06:29 AM

The Clinton Crime Family plays pretty rough...

http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/254852337-story

Family's private investigator: There is evidence Seth Rich had contact with WikiLeaks prior to death

WASHINGTON - It has been almost a year since Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich was murdered in the nation's capital. There have been no solid answers about why he was killed until now.

Rich was shot and killed last July in Northwest D.C and police have suggested the killing in the District's Bloomingdale neighborhood was a botched robbery. However, online conspiracy theories have tied the murder to Rich's work at the DNC.

Just two months shy of the one-year anniversary of Rich's death, FOX 5 has learned there is new information that could prove these theorists right.

Seth Rich Family's private investigator: There is evidence Seth Rich had contact with WikiLeaks prior to death
Rod Wheeler, a private investigator hired by the Rich family, suggests there is tangible evidence on Rich's laptop that confirms he was communicating with WikiLeaks prior to his death.

Now, questions have been raised on why D.C. police, the lead agency on this murder investigation for the past ten months, have insisted this was a robbery gone bad when there appears to be no evidence to suggest that.

Wheeler, a former D.C. police homicide detective, is running a parallel investigation into Rich’s murder. He said he believes there is a cover-up and the police department has been told to back down from the investigation.

"The police department nor the FBI have been forthcoming,” said Wheeler. “They haven't been cooperating at all. I believe that the answer to solving his death lies on that computer, which I believe is either at the police department or either at the FBI. I have been told both.”

When we asked Wheeler if his sources have told him there is information that links Rich to Wikileaks, he said, “Absolutely. Yeah. That's confirmed."

Wheeler also told us, "I have a source inside the police department that has looked at me straight in the eye and said, ‘Rod, we were told to stand down on this case and I can’t share any information with you.’ Now, that is highly unusual for a murder investigation, especially from a police department. Again, I don’t think it comes from the chief’s office, but I do believe there is a correlation between the mayor's office and the DNC and that is the information that will come out [Tuesday].
====================================================================================

To TRUMP. Do some housecleaning and get some good agents to investigate this.

The trail of bodies left by the Clinton's is extensive. Hopefully Seth Rich's murder will be the straw that broke the camels back. She needs to be indicted and she needs to go to prison.

I asked Mr. Pribanic who returned my call if he felt that JFK Jr. and his family was murdered.

He said "it's certainly in the realm of possibility".

Mr. Pribanic said he had left his fishing spot with a bagful of stripers about 1:30 a.m. the next morning, unaware that he had heard the "IMPACT LIKE A BOMB" that had killed "the Prince of Camelot" in the night sky.

This ended the speculation that JFK Jr. might run for the U.S. Senate seat against Hillary Clinton in New York or against Al Gore, Jr. for the Presidency of the United States in the forthcoming Democratic Primary. Rumor had it that he was going to announce on August 1. Is there sufficient evidence to conclude that the Kennedy killing was murder in the first degree?

http://www.netowne.com/conspiracy/konformist/kennedy.htm

and:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/JFK_JR/jj.php#axzz4hGhSJ100

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 16, 2017, 01:02:06 PM

Video in regards Vince Foster and company.

https://twitter.com/RedPillDropper/status/864398728765091840

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_8--0HUMAEIrNc.jpg)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 16, 2017, 04:06:01 PM

Study: CNN Is Completely Obsessed With Donald Trump — and Not in a Good Way

CNN claims it’s right down the middle, somewhere between the left-wing MSNBC
and the more conservative-friendly Fox News Channel. But an MRC study of an
entire day of CNN’s coverage shows the network spent almost all of its time
covering the Trump presidency, with a heavily skewed roster of anti-Trump
guests and on-air commentators.

After excluding commercials, teases and promos, our analysts found 13 hours,
27 minutes of actual news coverage, an average of just over 40 minutes per
hour. Of that, a whopping 92 percent (12 hours, 19 minutes) was devoted
to the Trump presidency, with a mere 68 minutes — a little more than
three minutes per hour — devoted to all of the other news of the day.

(http://www.newsbusters.org/s3/files/styles/blog_body-100/s3/images/charrt2.jpg?itok=jiVs_fwO)

read all about it here
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/rich-noyes/2017/05/16/study-cnn-completely-obsessed-donald-trump-%E2%80%94-and-not-good-way

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 16, 2017, 05:09:01 PM

While I tend to avoid copy and paste this carton that Confederate posted a few days back is so close to the truth that it is not really that funny. Of all the dead V. Foster remains the most troubling.

Quote from: AvHdB on May 16, 2017, 02:05:22 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 15, 2017, 09:17:27 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_koHAhW0AANIIz.jpg:large)

If one knows/understands the background to this it is funny and very dark at the same time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 16, 2017, 05:38:40 PM

This dose not surprise me. I believe Obama had eyes and ears keeping up with everything Trump was doing.
The Democratic party has shown that laws and the legal system can be manipulated to fit their agenda.

Napolitano: Justice Scalia Thought Obama Spied on Supreme Court

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/790439?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1731310_05162017&s=al&dkt_nbr=oue4wkwy&section=newsfront&keywords=andrew-napolitano-antonin-scalia-obama-spied&year=2017&month=05&date=16&id=790439&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 16, 2017, 07:11:19 PM

It's gotten to be that western journalism no longer exists. They have lost the concept of what reporting the truth is about.
At least RT, news offers some actual journalism. :coffeeread:

‘Reading US papers is dangerous’: Moscow ridicules report that Trump shared secrets with Russian FM

https://www.rt.com/news/388591-trump-lavrov-classified-russia/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 16, 2017, 07:58:47 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 16, 2017, 07:11:19 PM

It's gotten to be that western journalism no longer exists. They have lost the concept of what reporting the truth is about.
At least RT, news offers some actual journalism. :coffeeread:

‘Reading US papers is dangerous’: Moscow ridicules report that Trump shared secrets with Russian FM

https://www.rt.com/news/388591-trump-lavrov-classified-russia/

I agree with her. If we want real journalism we get if from Julian Assange and others like RT.

Zakharova called the Washington Post report part of a coordinated effort to influence the Trump administration.

“This is another attempt to exert pressure on the new US administration and make deals related to various political appointments and lobbying. We can’t even say now that the media are biased, because they are openly carrying out a political order,” she said.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on May 17, 2017, 01:05:23 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 16, 2017, 07:11:19 PM

It's gotten to be that western journalism no longer exists. They have lost the concept of what reporting the truth is about.
At least RT, news offers some actual journalism. :coffeeread:

Quote of the week material ....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 17, 2017, 08:14:42 AM

Looks like I popped back just in time for the Impeachment Partay!!

I said June....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 17, 2017, 08:29:48 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 17, 2017, 08:14:42 AM

Looks like I popped back just in time for the Impeachment Partay!!
I said June....

The only thing that would get Trump impeached if he agreed a year ago to give Alaska back to Russia. If you are thinking June 2028 maybe. The revolution (impeachment) and government overthrow would be so ugly you do not want to consider it today. Voters as has been shown in the UK, the US, France the Netherlands and elsewhere are angry, very angry. They want a change in the status qua.

Brussels continues its dance and part of me thinks that Trump will not be able to 'drain the swamp'. It seems he has lost both momentum and will. In the US call it what flavour you want but there is not much change in the big picture.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on May 17, 2017, 08:47:51 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 17, 2017, 08:14:42 AM

Looks like I popped back just in time for the Impeachment Partay!!

I said June....

Isn't it time you changed your flag ? ;)

AvHdB, this 'anger' ?

In the case of the UK - the Tories will win - A party that has just become more anti-EU /Anti- immigration - it's hardly like it's a 'new party' ...I would have thought those voting for them were 'happy' ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 17, 2017, 11:54:43 AM

Written about Bush but fits Trump to a tee!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 17, 2017, 04:07:44 PM

Putin ready to provide records of Trump-Lavrov talks to prove no secrets were leaked

https://www.rt.com/news/388673-putin-schizophrenia-trump-lavrov-leak/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 17, 2017, 04:41:15 PM

Quote from: Ste on May 17, 2017, 08:14:42 AM

Looks like I popped back just in time for the Impeachment Partay!!

I said June....

You got nothin'. Nothing but the histrionics of a bunch of sore losers plotting.

Here's the kicker: None of this is actually working where it counts. Again, we have not one piece of evidence of any impeachable act. And it's not even truly working in the polls. President Trump's approval ratings may be lower than any modern president this early in his tenure, but they're still higher than they were throughout the election.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/16/this-latest-trump-russia-leak-smells-like-a-coup-attempt-commentary.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 17, 2017, 05:00:46 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 17, 2017, 04:41:15 PM

Quote from: Ste on May 17, 2017, 08:14:42 AM
Looks like I popped back just in time for the Impeachment Partay!!

I said June....

You got nothin'. Nothing but the histrionics of a bunch of sore losers plotting.

Here's the kicker: None of this is actually working where it counts. Again, we have not one piece of evidence of any impeachable act. And it's not even truly working in the polls. President Trump's approval ratings may be lower than any modern president this early in his tenure, but they're still higher than they were throughout the election.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/16/this-latest-trump-russia-leak-smells-like-a-coup-attempt-commentary.html

I guess we all should keep in mind even if the establishment blocks him on everything he is still getting good judges into the judiciary. And when the economy hits the skids Congress will at last get their act together and get tax and healthcare reform. The People will demand it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 17, 2017, 06:35:07 PM

With all the Trump bashing, and fake news, I'm left questioning where's the respect that should be given to our president?
The liberals have corrupted society in ways the founding fathers never would have envisioned for this great nation.

Stephen F. Cohen: The Assault on the Trump Presidency Is the Greatest Threat to US National security.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/stephen-f-cohen-assault-trump-presidency-greatest-threat-us-national-security-today/ri19860

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 17, 2017, 08:40:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 17, 2017, 06:35:07 PM

With all the Trump bashing, and fake news, I'm left questioning where's the respect that should be given to our president?
The liberals have corrupted society in ways the founding fathers never would have envisioned for this great nation.

Stephen F. Cohen: The Assault on the Trump Presidency Is the Greatest Threat to US National security.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/stephen-f-cohen-assault-trump-presidency-greatest-threat-us-national-security-today/ri19860

Trump complained about it today during his speech to the Coast Guard. It's really gotten old for me to say the least. I feel the same as your opening statement: where's the respect for our President?

At no time in history has an incoming President had to deal with this kind of animosity from the opposition party.

I would really like the media and the dem's to back off from the bogus allegations and witch hunts. Let the man do his job.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 18, 2017, 01:00:20 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 17, 2017, 08:14:42 AM

Looks like I popped back just in time for the Impeachment Partay!!

I said June....

Won't happen.

First, nobody outside of the Beltway gives a shit about the Comey firing.

Second, the Dems are out of their minds crazy that Trump defeated their Chosen One, and are simply out to hurt the president by just repeating "Impeachment, Nixon, Watergate". They have exactly ZERO power and are merely demonstrating to the folks who voted for Trump that they were right to vote for Trump.

Third, unless there is an underlying crime, which so far there is no evidence of, there can be no "cover-up" and therefor no obstruction of justice, but we'll see soon enough now that Bobby Three Sticks has been appointed special prosecutor.

Oh, and when Mueller clears Trump, the Left will SCREEEEEEEEEEEAM that Mueller's soon to be former firm, WilmerHale, does work for Kushner's family and Paul Manfort:

Desperation Level of the Failing Democrat Party: Palpable.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 18, 2017, 01:20:34 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 17, 2017, 08:40:43 PM

At no time in history has an incoming President had to deal with this kind of animosity from the opposition party.

I would really like the media and the dem's to back off from the bogus allegations and witch hunts. Let the man do his job.

Lulz. Not gonna happen. First, the libs thought they were going to witness the coronation of Queen Felonia von Pantsuit. [Subtext: Smash the Patriarchy! Third Wave RULEZ!!!] And instead the peasants crossed the moat and the liberal Witch-Queen died beneath their pitchforks and axes. [Subtext: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH! WAAAAAAH!-WAAAAAAH!]

Not only did the Dems LOSE they lost something that they were SURE they were ENTITLED TO. The Dems haven't been that angry since the Republicans took away their slaves. [Hat Tip: Rob Schneider]

And now they are out for blood, and they don't care how they get it, they don't care what laws they have to break, hell, they don't care if Trump actually DID anything wrong. He's an arrogant pussy-grabber who defeated Hillary and HE MUST BE DESTROYED! His success rubs their nose in their failure.

And forget about the media. The Failing NYT HATES Trump even more than the libs do, and the same with ~~The Washington Post~~ Jeff Bezos' Blog.

Trump is pounding them in the ass, and they can't stand it. Thus the narrative of Trump's scandals and failures is manufactured.

Do you think Trump voters are pissed of that Trump appointed Gorsuch instead of some liberal nag who wants to ban guns, but thinks that the Constitution mandates taxpayer-subsidized transsexual abortions?

Hint: No

Are they angry that there's been such a huge drop in illegal immigration and refugees trying to get into the country?

Hint: "Tell the Somalis to fucck off back to Somalia, thanks!"

Are they bitter that Trump pays attention to that "tiny sliver" of the country between I-95 in the East and the I-5 in the West?

Hint: Hell, no.

So let the Crazies rail, and enjoy the meltdown.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 18, 2017, 07:57:24 AM

I think that Trump can be criticised for a lot of things, but there is zero evidence that he has or is harbouring anti-Russian feelings. There is plenty of evidence that he has always been pro-Israeli, but no more than any politician or businessman in the USA. I doubt that Trump knows where the Golan Heights are. Most probably he does not know that Hezbollah and Daesh are mortal enemies. Trump is poorly educated and he is much better suited to the shows in Las Vegas than to be President of the USA, a nuclear superpower. Generally he is really not ideological. That is how I see him, in my view.

It has become apparent that he had no idea of the power and maniac drive, of the Neocons, which he met when he entered the White House. Even worse is the fact that he apparently does not realise that they are now using him to try out some pretty demented policies for which they will later try to impeach him as the sole culprit.

The ridiculously bloated and therefore mostly incompetent, “three letter agencies”, it appears that they have been turned from an intelligence community to a highly politicised propaganda group, whose main purpose is to justify and cover up whatever their political bosses can dream up.

Flynn tried to subordinate the CIA and the Joint Chiefs of staff to the President via the National Security Council. In actual fact Flynn tried to take back the ultimate power and authority from the CIA and the Pentagon and to subordinate them back to the White House but he failed. The Neocon run ‘deep state’ has now forced Flynn to resign under the idiotic pretext that he had a telephone conversation, on an open, insecure and clearly monitored, line with the Russian ambassador.

Trump has shown us his true face. Instead of refusing Flynn’s resignation and firing those who dared to cook up these ridiculous accusations against Flynn, Trump accepted the resignation. From now on, Trump will become the errand boy of the Israel lobby. In order to defeat Trump, the US deep state has had to terribly weaken the US and the AngloZionist Empire. Just like Erdogan’ purges have left the Turkish military in shambles, the anti-Trump revolution has inflicted terrible damage on the reputation, authority and even credibility of the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 18, 2017, 08:54:08 AM

Trump Didn't Break the Law. Anti-Trump Leakers Did

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/trump-didnt-break-law-anti-trump-leakers-did/ri19869

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 18, 2017, 09:40:19 AM

Trump continues to try and fulfill his campaign promises. It's clear that the democratic party will suffer even greater losses in the future should Trump succeed.

Trump administration sends NAFTA renegotiation letter to Congress

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/18/trump-administration-sends-nafta-renegotiation-letter-to-congress-source.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 18, 2017, 12:04:03 PM

The Shakespeare's of team Trump prevailed and they ridiculously appointed
a special council to investigate everything and everyone about anything for
an unlimited time. Before this is done they will be investigating ugly girls
that got fired on Trumps TV show and how much hairspray Trump uses for
his hairstyle. They won't be investigating Hillary Clinton exchanging US
Uranium for cash.

What freaking idiots they are! Did Obama appoint a special council to
investigate the IRS attacking conservative groups? how about the VA
hospital scandal where people paid themselves HUGE bonuses so that
they could cook the books while veterans died from not getting care.
How about the deaths at Benghazi? or the Fast and Furious gun running
to the Mexico Cartel's that lead to the death of American agents.

None of that happened because Obama brazenly buried everything,
"investigated" it himself and eventually determined that everything
smelled like flowers and that nobody did anything wrong and that nothing
should be done.

The Special Counsel Mistake
Rosenstein bends to political pressure, and here we go again.

read all about it here
http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/25-impeachable-obama-scandals-far-more-serious-than-comey-firing/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 18, 2017, 12:24:53 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 18, 2017, 12:04:03 PM

The Shakespeare's of team Trump prevailed and they ridiculously appointed
a special council to investigate everything and everyone about anything for
an unlimited time.

I think if the Trump Administration plays their cards right, this investigation could be real positive for them. The Special Council has been appointed - the liberals now don't have anything to shriek about every day to the press. Trump can now refocus and concentrate on his agenda without all the controversy sucking all the oxygen out of Washington DC.

If the investigation reveals nothing, as I expect will be the result, it may well propel him to re-election in 2020.

But Trump has already made his predictable mistake, playing his usual "first club out of the bag" - whining about the decision on Twitter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 18, 2017, 03:52:48 PM

Quote from: B.B. on May 18, 2017, 01:20:34 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 17, 2017, 08:40:43 PM
At no time in history has an incoming President had to deal with this kind of animosity from the opposition party.

I would really like the media and the dem's to back off from the bogus allegations and witch hunts. Let the man do his job.

Lulz. Not gonna happen. First, the libs thought they were going to witness the coronation of Queen Felonia von Pantsuit. [Subtext: Smash the Patriarchy! Third Wave RULEZ!!!] And instead the peasants crossed the moat and the liberal Witch-Queen died beneath their pitchforks and axes. [Subtext: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH! WAAAAAAH!-WAAAAAAH!]

Not only did the Dems LOSE the lost something that they were SURE they were ENTITLED TO. The Dems haven't been that angry since the Republicans took away their slaves. [Hat Tip: Rob Schneider]

And now they are out for blood, and they don't care how they get it, they don't care what laws they have to break, hell, they don't care if Trump actually DID anything wrong. He's an arrogant pussy-grabber who defeated Hillary and HE MUST BE DESTROYED! His success rubs their nose in their failure.

And forget about the media. The Failing NYT HATES Trump even more than the libs do, and the same with ~~The Washington Post~~ Jeff Bezos' Blog.

Trump is pounding them in the ass, and they can't stand it. Thus the narrative of Trump's scandals and failures is manufactured.

Do you think Trump voters are pissed of that Trump appointed Gorsuch instead of some liberal nag who wants to ban guns, but thinks that the Constitution mandates taxpayer-subsidized transsexual abortions?

Hint: No

Are they angry that there's been such a huge drop in illegal immigration and refugees trying to get into the country?

Hint: "Tell the Somalis to fucck off back to Somalia, thanks!"

Are they bitter that Trump pays attention to that "tiny sliver" of the country between I-95 in the East and the I-5 in the West?

Hint: Hell, no.

So let the Crazies rail, and enjoy the meltdown.

B/B

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 18, 2017, 08:00:44 PM

Quote from: B.B. on May 18, 2017, 01:20:34 AM

Lulz. Not gonna happen. First, the libs thought they were going to witness the coronation of Queen Felonia von Pantsuit. [Subtext: Smash the Patriarchy! Third Wave RULEZ!!!] And instead the peasants crossed the moat and the liberal Witch-Queen died beneath their pitchforks and axes. [Subtext: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHH! WAAAAAAH!-WAAAAAAH!]

Not only did the Dems LOSE they lost something that they were SURE they were ENTITLED TO. The Dems haven't been that angry since the Republicans took away their slaves. [Hat Tip: Rob Schneider]

And now they are out for blood, and they don't care how they get it, they don't care what laws they have to break, hell, they don't care if Trump actually DID anything wrong. He's an arrogant pussy-grabber who defeated Hillary and HE MUST BE DESTROYED! His success rubs their nose in their failure.

And forget about the media. The Failing NYT HATES Trump even more than the libs do, and the same with ~~The Washington Post~~ Jeff Bezos' Blog.

Trump is pounding them in the ass, and they can't stand it. Thus the narrative of Trump's scandals and failures is manufactured.

Do you think Trump voters are pissed of that Trump appointed Gorsuch instead of some liberal nag who wants to ban guns, but thinks that the Constitution mandates taxpayer-subsidized transsexual abortions?

Hint: No

Are they angry that there's been such a huge drop in illegal immigration and refugees trying to get into the country?

Hint: "Tell the Somalis to fucck off back to Somalia, thanks!"

Are they bitter that Trump pays attention to that "tiny sliver" of the country between I-95 in the East and the I-5 in the West?

Hint: Hell, no.

So let the Crazies rail, and enjoy the meltdown.

B/B

Excellent rant!
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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 19, 2017, 02:16:21 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 18, 2017, 07:57:24 AM

I think that Trump can be criticised for a lot of things, but there is zero evidence that he has or is harbouring anti-Russian feelings. There is plenty of evidence that he has always been pro-Israeli, but no more than any politician or businessman in the USA. I doubt that Trump knows where the Golan Heights are. Most probably he does not know that Hezbollah and Daesh are mortal enemies. Trump is poorly educated and he is much better suited to the shows in Las Vegas than to be President of the USA, a nuclear superpower. Generally he is really not ideological. That is how I see him, in my view.

It has become apparent that he had no idea of the power and maniac drive, of the Neocons, which he met when he entered the White House. Even worse is the fact that he apparently does not realise that they are now using him to try out some pretty demented policies for which they will later try to impeach him as the sole culprit.

The ridiculously bloated and therefore mostly incompetent, “three letter agencies”, it appears that they have been turned from an intelligence community to a highly politicised propaganda group, whose main purpose is to justify and cover up whatever their political bosses can dream up.

Flynn tried to subordinate the CIA and the Joint Chiefs of staff to the President via the National Security Council. In actual fact Flynn tried to take back the ultimate power and authority from the CIA and the Pentagon and to subordinate them back to the White House but he failed. The Neocon run ‘deep state’ has now forced Flynn to resign under the idiotic pretext that he had a telephone conversation, on an open, insecure and clearly monitored, line with the Russian ambassador.

Trump has shown us his true face. Instead of refusing Flynn’s resignation and firing those who dared to cook up these ridiculous accusations against Flynn, Trump accepted the resignation. From now on, Trump will become the errand boy of the Israel lobby. In order to defeat Trump, the US deep state has had to terribly weaken the US and the AngloZionist Empire. Just like Erdogan’ purges have left the Turkish military in shambles, the anti-Trump revolution has inflicted terrible damage on the reputation, authority and even credibility of the USA.

Wiz, when you use your own words, it has a distinctive flavour. Nothing wrong but lets say it can be compared to the difference of writing style between Ch. Dickens and B. Potter. The problem is not what you communicate I think some of the points are true and valid. The plagiarism and uncredited quotes creates problems for others.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-14/its-over-folks-neocons-deep-state-have-neutered-trump-presidency
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/why-the-cia-wants-to-destroy-flynn/
https://www.darkmoon.me/2017/trump-presidency-ends-in-ruins-its-all-over/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 19, 2017, 03:22:51 PM

Is Civil war coming to the USA?

https://twitter.com/RedPillDropper/status/865104257606930432

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 19, 2017, 04:52:10 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 19, 2017, 03:22:51 PM

Is Civil war coming to the USA?

https://twitter.com/RedPillDropper/status/865104257606930432

When we have demonstrations like we did in the 1960s then I will start to worry.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 19, 2017, 06:12:24 PM

White House lawyers research impeachment - CNNPolitics.com

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politics/donald-trump-white-house-lawyers-research-impeachment/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 19, 2017, 06:57:06 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 19, 2017, 06:12:24 PM

White House lawyers research impeachment - CNNPolitics.com

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politics/donald-trump-white-house-lawyers-research-impeachment/

#FakeNews and they even admit it. It's just a headline to grab your attention and sell newspapers or advertising for CNN.

The White House originally did not comment for this story. After publication, a White House official said "it's not true" that White House lawyers are researching impeachment procedures.
One outside attorney close to the office of White House counsel Don McGahn cast doubt on impeachment preparations, saying it wouldn't be something McGahn would authorize.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 19, 2017, 11:41:11 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 18, 2017, 12:24:53 PM

I think if the Trump Administration plays their cards right, this investigation could be real positive for them.

Right now, I think it leads to a wounded presidency. The libs are big at "Continuing the Lie", so even if Trump comes out clean, they will keep the whispering campaign - which is what got the special prosecutor appointed - going.

I hope the Dems break their teeth on this, because they are oh so clearly trying to undo the results of the election. We are, in effect, watching a slow-motion coup.

The only positive out of this, if Trump resigns or is removed, is that we'll get President Pence, who is an actual conservative, and a Known Guy. Part of Trump's problem is he doesn't have many friends in Congress. Pence does, particularly the House.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on May 20, 2017, 02:53:57 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 19, 2017, 11:41:11 PM

The only positive out of this, if Trump resigns or is removed, is that we'll get President Pence, who is an actual conservative, and a Known Guy. Part of Trump's problem is he doesn't have many friends in Congress. Pence does, particularly the House.

B/B

Pence as a 'positive' ? !

I still remember him wriggling on the hook of his own making when defending the original version of his Religious Freedom Restoration Act 2015 - which he had to alter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 20, 2017, 06:01:23 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 19, 2017, 02:16:21 PM

Wiz, when you use your own words, it has a distinctive flavour. Nothing wrong but lets say it can be compared to the difference of writing style between Ch. Dickens and B. Potter. The problem is not what you communicate I think some of the points are true and valid. The plagiarism and uncredited quotes creates problems for others.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-14/its-over-folks-neocons-deep-state-have-neutered-trump-presidency
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/why-the-cia-wants-to-destroy-flynn/
https://www.darkmoon.me/2017/trump-presidency-ends-in-ruins-its-all-over/

The only problems that I create, is for you every time I mention Isra(H)el in my posts because red alert is ringing in your bunker of Trolls. It has taken you and possibly your troll mates, over 24 hours searching the internet to find out where I am getting my information and probably which sites I visit.

Unfortunately, in this case, my linguistic chap, I have only visited few times the first site you mention for economic news and comments in the past but never the other two. I have a habit of visiting Anti-establishment sites and not the ones controlled by the Zionists, like you do. On the other hand you don’t speak proper English.

You are accusing me of plagiarism of what ever I post here, without presenting clear evidence, in a valiant effort to discredit my pots. Already other people have told you, in the past that all of us get information and ideas of various sources that we read. You of course provide us with original ideas/comments in your 5 star superb commentaries.

Do a favour to other people here and don’t comment or criticise my posts, as you will not get anymore replies to your idiotic comments, from me.

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 20, 2017, 06:19:16 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 20, 2017, 06:01:23 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 19, 2017, 02:16:21 PM
Wiz, when you use your own words, it has a distinctive flavour. Nothing wrong but lets say it can be compared to the difference of writing style between Ch. Dickens and B. Potter. The problem is not what you communicate I think some of the points are true and valid. The plagiarism and uncredited quotes creates problems for others.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-14/its-over-folks-neocons-deep-state-have-neutered-trump-presidency
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/why-the-cia-wants-to-destroy-flynn/
https://www.darkmoon.me/2017/trump-presidency-ends-in-ruins-its-all-over/

The only problems that I create, is for you every time I mention Isra(H)el in my posts because red alert is ringing in your bunker of Trolls. It has taken you and possibly your troll mates, over 24 hours searching the internet to find out where I am getting my information and probably which sites I visit.

Unfortunately, in this case, my linguistic chap, I have only visited few times the first site you mention for economic news and comments in the past but never the other two. I have a habit of visiting Anti-establishment sites and not the ones controlled by the Zionists, like you do. On the other hand you don’t speak proper English.

You are accusing me of plagiarism of what ever I post here, without presenting clear evidence, in a valiant effort to discredit my pots. Already other people have told you, in the past that all of us get information and ideas of various sources that we read. You of course provide us with original ideas/comments in your 5 star superb commentaries.

Do a favour to other people here and don’t comment or criticise my posts, as you will not get anymore replies to your idiotic comments, from me.

Either you are a liar or a clairvoyant.

Based on the links noted above one can find vast portions of your post above (#7552).

Oh and please do not tell me what I can and can not criticize on RUA. If you expect me to change in this respect your are an old fool. But it will be a blessing not to see your counter commentary. The bold portion does show both your undemocratic nature and intolerant attitude.

NB: As a moderator has pointed out there is an ignore feature.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 20, 2017, 08:36:14 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 19, 2017, 11:41:11 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 18, 2017, 12:24:53 PM
I think if the Trump Administration plays their cards right, this investigation could be real positive for them.

Right now, I think it leads to a wounded presidency. The libs are big at "Continuing the Lie", so even if Trump comes out clean, they will keep the whispering campaign - which is what got the special prosecutor appointed - going.

I hope the Dems break their teeth on this, because they are oh so clearly trying to undo the results of the election. We are, in effect, watching a slow-motion coup.

The only positive out of this, if Trump resigns or is removed, is that we'll get President Pence, who is an actual conservative, and a Known Guy. Part of Trump's problem is he doesn't have many friends in Congress. Pence does, particularly the House.

B/B

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 20, 2017, 09:35:13 AM

So far Trump's meetings with foreign officials have been positive.
Given the opportunity, Trump's ability to make deals could be a big asset for the United states.
If it was not for the constant negative fake news and liberal judges working against Trump, he would have already exceeded expectations.

Under fire at home, Trump wins warm welcome in Saudi

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN18G06K

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 09:57:31 AM

How you can call Trump's meetings with the global leaders of terrorism "positive" is massively perplexing.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 10:11:10 AM

$350 Billion to Saud. Has the US become the main state sponsor of terrorism?

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 20, 2017, 11:08:44 AM

Quote from: msmoby on May 20, 2017, 02:53:57 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 19, 2017, 11:41:11 PM

The only positive out of this, if Trump resigns or is removed, is that we'll get President Pence, who is an actual conservative, and a Known Guy. Part of Trump's problem is he doesn't have many friends in Congress. Pence does, particularly the House.

B/B

Pence as a 'positive' ? !

I still remember him wriggling on the hook of his own making when defending the original version of his Religious Freedom Restoration Act 2015 - which he had to alter.

Right, so one would think that liberals would be careful what they wish for. :laugh:

Then again "liberals" believe in killing unborn babies of citizens and replacing them with Muslim babies.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 20, 2017, 11:10:21 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 19, 2017, 06:57:06 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 19, 2017, 06:12:24 PM

White House lawyers research impeachment - CNNPolitics.com

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politics/donald-trump-white-house-lawyers-research-impeachment/

#FakeNews and they even admit it. It's just a headline to grab your attention and sell newspapers or advertising for CNN.

The White House originally did not comment for this story. After publication, a White House official said "it's not true" that White House lawyers are researching impeachment procedures.
One outside attorney close to the office of White House counsel Don McGahn cast doubt on impeachment preparations, saying it wouldn't be something McGahn would authorize.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 20, 2017, 11:24:21 AM

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 09:57:31 AM

How you can call Trump's meetings with the global leaders of terrorism "positive" is massively perplexing.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 11:54:04 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 11:24:21 AM

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 09:57:31 AM
How you can call Trump's meetings with the global leaders of terrorism "positive" is massively perplexing.

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Are you trying to say that negates a $350B deal to terrorists?

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 20, 2017, 12:09:34 PM

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 11:54:04 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 09:57:31 AM
How you can call Trump's meetings with the global leaders of terrorism "positive" is massively perplexing.

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Are you trying to say that negates a $350B deal to terrorists?

I have no clue what you're talking about. I've read there are deals worth a total of $280 Billion in trade which have been signed. On our terms. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 20, 2017, 12:14:28 PM

Famous internet hacker and billionaire Kim DotCom says that he knew Seth Rich and he knew that Seth Rich was the leaker to Wikileaks, not the Russians.

He says he will be making a statement about it on Tuesday. Let's see if he's still alive tuesday and if the MSM covers it.

https://twitter.com/KimDotcom/status/865638484043636739

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 20, 2017, 12:20:55 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 11:24:21 AM

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No doubt about it. Melania Trump is the most beautiful First Lady in our country's history - Jackie Kennedy coming in a distant second.

Title: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 12:09:34 PM

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 11:54:04 AM
Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 09:57:31 AM
How you can call Trump's meetings with the global leaders of terrorism "positive" is massively perplexing.

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Are you trying to say that negates a $350B deal to terrorists?

I have no clue what you're talking about. I've read there are deals worth a total of $280 Billion in trade which have been signed. On our terms. :coffeeread:

So you negotiate deals with terrorists. Now that's what I call TOUGH on terrorism!

Bin Laden was from Saudi. 19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi. They behead and stone people. They don't let women drive, show their faces, or leave the house without a male relative. Women are punished for being raped. What's your idea of a terrorist?

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 20, 2017, 12:46:29 PM

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 12:09:34 PM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 11:54:04 AM
Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 09:57:31 AM
How you can call Trump's meetings with the global leaders of terrorism "positive" is massively perplexing.

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAQuPdnXoAIeto1.jpg)

Are you trying to say that negates a $350B deal to terrorists?

I have no clue what you're talking about. I've read there are deals worth a total of $280 Billion in trade which have been signed. On our terms. :coffeeread:

So you negotiate deals with terrorists. Now that's what I call TOUGH on terrorism!

Bin Laden was from Saudi. 19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi. They behead and stone people. They don't let women drive, show their faces, or leave the house without a male relative. Women are punished for being raped. What's your idea of a terrorist?

Some guy living in Moscow trolling this thread? :laugh:

But seriously I don't like any of what you posted about. The USA and KSA have been allies for decades. TPTB make these decisions and they apparently believe the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

I trust President Trump to make decisions which are the best for the United States overall.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on May 20, 2017, 12:56:01 PM

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM

Bin Laden was from Saudi. 19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi. They behead and stone people. They don't let women drive, show their faces, or leave the house without a male relative. Women are punished for being raped. What's your idea of a terrorist?

Ever lived and worked in Saudi Jerash?? I was there a couple of weeks ago. Lets put a few things straight.

Bin Ladin was a terrorist. He fled KSA in fear of his life. There is no Gitmo in KSA for people like him, just a sword after Friday prayers...

USA executes people, so do the Saudi's. My estimation the sword is way quicker.

Where did you get the idea that the whole world has to conform to libtard western values? Or that the USA has a right to enforce those values on other cultures which were centers of civilization when the good old USA was populated with hunter gathering native Americans??

KSA will evolve at its own pace. Western women do not have to cover their hair or faces ANYWHERE in KSA. Dress modestly and wear an Oba (like a midi length university gown) and that is it. King Zaman removed the religious police right of arrest soon after he took power. Many young saudi women only wear a scarf. At the beginning of the year many male restrictions on female education, healthcare, travel etc. were removed. Go into any shopping mall and you will see many groups of women and not a male in sight LOL The only male involved in these frequent trips is the Pakistani chauffeur who is waiting in the car park with the Bentley and this is in Riyadh - the most conservative city!

KSA is not sponsoring terrorism you have to look to the Emirates for that. The $380 billion dollar trade deal is very good news. It means 100,000 of jobs in the USA. The Gulf must stand up for itself militarily and become less dependent on Western protection. The USA knows who its friends are in the middle east and Trump is doing great business with them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:57:59 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 12:46:29 PM

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 12:09:34 PM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 11:54:04 AM
Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 09:57:31 AM
How you can call Trump's meetings with the global leaders of terrorism "positive" is massively perplexing.

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAQuPdnXoAIeto1.jpg)

Are you trying to say that negates a $350B deal to terrorists?

I have no clue what you're talking about. I've read there are deals worth a total of $280 Billion in trade which have been signed. On our terms. :coffeeread:

So you negotiate deals with terrorists. Now that's what I call TOUGH on terrorism!

Bin Laden was from Saudi. 19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi. They behead and stone people. They don't let women drive, show their faces, or leave the house without a male relative. Women are punished for being raped. What's your idea of a terrorist?

Some guy living in Moscow trolling this thread? :laugh:

But seriously I don't like any of what you posted about. The USA and KSA have been allies for decades. TPTB make these decisions and they apparently believe the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

I trust President Trump to make decisions which are the best for the United States overall.

And how do you suppose the military industrial complex works? First $350B in arms to Saudi and then countless billions more for the US to intervene later in conflicts where those arms are being used.

Isn't a bit naive to believe it's a good deal to provide arms to the state arming the terrorists in Syria, funding binLaden and sending you the 9/11 attackers??

From what I can see, the US has become the world's main state sponsor of terrorism.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 20, 2017, 01:00:14 PM

Quote from: leslied on May 20, 2017, 12:56:01 PM

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM

Bin Laden was from Saudi. 19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi. They behead and stone people. They don't let women drive, show their faces, or leave the house without a male relative. Women are punished for being raped. What's your idea of a terrorist?

Ever lived and worked in Saudi Jerash?? I was there a couple of weeks ago. Lets put a few things straight.

Bin Ladin was a terrorist. He fled KSA in fear of his life. There is no Gitmo in KSA for people like him, just a sword after Friday prayers...

USA executes people, so do the Saudi's. My estimation the sword is way quicker.

Where did you get the idea that the whole world has to conform to libtard western values? Or that the USA has a right to enforce those values on other cultures which were centers of civilization when the good old USA was populated with hunter gathering native Americans??

KSA will evolve at its own pace. Western women do not have to cover their hair or faces ANYWHERE in KSA. Dress modestly and wear an Oba (like a midi length university gown) and that is it. King Zaman removed the religious police right of arrest soon after he took power. Many young saudi women only wear a scarf. At the beginning of the year many male restrictions on female education, healthcare, travel etc. were removed. Go into any shopping mall and you will see many groups of women and not a male in sight LOL The only male involved in these frequent trips is the Pakistani chauffeur who is waiting in the car park with the Bentley and this is in Riyadh - the most conservative city!

KSA is not sponsoring terrorism you have to look to the Emirates for that. The $380 billion dollar trade deal is very good news. It means 100,000 of jobs in the USA. The Gulf must stand up for itself militarily and become less dependent on Western protection. The USA knows who its friends are in the middle east and Trump is doing great business with them.

Great post! Thank you for some truthful information. I agree 100% that the USA and other western nations have no business attempting to impose our cultural values on overseas nations which have been around for millennia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 20, 2017, 01:03:52 PM

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:57:59 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 12:09:34 PM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 11:54:04 AM
Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 09:57:31 AM
How you can call Trump's meetings with the global leaders of terrorism "positive" is massively perplexing.

(http://3dy8gw2t55ky2afnkd2ps0ql.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Screen-Shot-2017-05-19-at-10.30.54-AM-660x330.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAQuPdnXoAIeto1.jpg)

Are you trying to say that negates a $350B deal to terrorists?

I have no clue what you're talking about. I've read there are deals worth a total of $280 Billion in trade which have been signed. On our terms. :coffeeread:

So you negotiate deals with terrorists. Now that's what I call TOUGH on terrorism!

Bin Laden was from Saudi. 19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi. They behead and stone people. They don't let women drive, show their faces, or leave the house without a male relative. Women are punished for being raped. What's your idea of a terrorist?

Some guy living in Moscow trolling this thread? :laugh:

But seriously I don't like any of what you posted about. The USA and KSA have been allies for decades. TPTB make these decisions and they apparently believe the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

I trust President Trump to make decisions which are the best for the United States overall.

And how do you suppose the military industrial complex works? First $350B in arms to Saudi and then countless billions more for the US to intervene later in conflicts where those arms are being used.

Isn't a bit naive to believe it's a good deal to provide arms to the state arming the terrorists in Syria, funding binLaden and sending you the 9/11 attackers??

From what I can see, the US has become the world's main state sponsor of terrorism.

And now I'm going to be serious. I suggest you get yourself a real education and read the response from leslied for starts.

Your narrative now is pretty much total myopic propaganda without any balance at all. That's not how the real World works and I'm always thankful that partisan hacks like you are on the outside looking in.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 01:05:39 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 01:03:52 PM

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:57:59 PM
Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 12:46:29 PM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 12:09:34 PM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 11:54:04 AM
Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 11:24:21 AM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 09:57:31 AM
How you can call Trump's meetings with the global leaders of terrorism "positive" is massively perplexing.

(http://3dy8gw2t55ky2afnkd2ps0ql.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Screen-Shot-2017-05-19-at-10.30.54-AM-660x330.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAQuPdnXoAIeto1.jpg)

Are you trying to say that negates a $350B deal to terrorists?

I have no clue what you're talking about. I've read there are deals worth a total of $280 Billion in trade which have been signed. On our terms. :coffeeread:

So you negotiate deals with terrorists. Now that's what I call TOUGH on terrorism!

Bin Laden was from Saudi. 19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi. They behead and stone people. They don't let women drive, show their faces, or leave the house without a male relative. Women are punished for being raped. What's your idea of a terrorist?

Some guy living in Moscow trolling this thread? :laugh:

But seriously I don't like any of what you posted about. The USA and KSA have been allies for decades. TPTB make these decisions and they apparently believe the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

I trust President Trump to make decisions which are the best for the United States overall.

And how do you suppose the military industrial complex works? First $350B in arms to Saudi and then countless billions more for the US to intervene later in conflicts where those arms are being used.

Isn't a bit naive to believe it's a good deal to provide arms to the state arming the terrorists in Syria, funding binLaden and sending you the 9/11 attackers??

From what I can see, the US has become the world's main state sponsor of terrorism.

And now I'm going to be serious. I suggest you get yourself a real education and read the response from leslied for starts.

Your narrative now is pretty much total myopic propaganda without any balance at all. That's not how the real World works and I'm always thankful that partisan hacks like you are on the outside looking in.

Lol.

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 20, 2017, 01:12:41 PM

Especially for Jerash.

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/866006660120281088

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 01:23:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 01:12:41 PM

Especially for Jerash.

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/866006660120281088

:) Spasiba, that made me smile.

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 20, 2017, 07:03:21 PM

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:57:59 PM

And how do you suppose the military industrial complex works? First $350B in arms to Saudi and then countless billions more for the US to intervene later in conflicts where those arms are being used.

Isn't a bit naive to believe it's a good deal to provide arms to the state arming the terrorists in Syria, funding binLaden and sending you the 9/11 attackers??

From what I can see, the US has become the world's main state sponsor of terrorism.

Leslied already answered your question about Bin Laden. UBL is dead. The World's main state sponsor of terrorism is Iran.

https://twitter.com/alekhbariyatv/status/866075189217570818

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 21, 2017, 02:49:31 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 07:03:21 PM

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:57:59 PM
And how do you suppose the military industrial complex works? First $350B in arms to Saudi and then countless billions more for the US to intervene later in conflicts where those arms are being used.

Isn't a bit naive to believe it's a good deal to provide arms to the state arming the terrorists in Syria, funding binLaden and sending you the 9/11 attackers??

From what I can see, the US has become the world's main state sponsor of terrorism.

Leslied already answered your question about Bin Laden. UBL is dead. The World's main state sponsor of terrorism is Iran.

https://twitter.com/alekhbariyatv/status/866075189217570818

Just ask yourself which country causes the most instability/regime change/funds for ISIS in the World and which country sells most arms to these countries...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 21, 2017, 02:53:46 AM

Quote from: msmoby on May 20, 2017, 02:53:57 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 19, 2017, 11:41:11 PM

The only positive out of this, if Trump resigns or is removed, is that we'll get President Pence, who is an actual conservative, and a Known Guy. Part of Trump's problem is he doesn't have many friends in Congress. Pence does, particularly the House.

B/B

Pence as a 'positive' ? !

I still remember him wriggling on the hook of his own making when defending the original version of his Religious Freedom Restoration Act 2015 - which he had to alter.

I don't care about Pence's god-bothering because I understand the limitations he would be under in our constitutional system and I'm not about to get my man-panties in a twist a just because Christian bakers don't want to make wedding cakes for homosexual weddings (although I also find the position of the Christian bakers to be absurd also).

Beyond that, Pence is a more reliable conservative than Trump - Trump is, at bottom, an authoritarian - and I am NOT interested in having justices appointed to the SCOTUS who think that the 2nd Am is some sort of hate crime, whereas taxpayer funded transexual abortions are some sort of sacrament. Pence is FAR more likely to appointed rock-ribbed Originalists to the Court than Felonia von Pantsuit ever would have been.

I have to say, whatever his foibles, Trump has certainly delivered on his promise of conservative jurists. :8)

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 21, 2017, 02:58:44 AM

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM

Bin Laden was from Saudi.

Although born in SA, OBL was the son of a Yemeni father and a Syrian mother.

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM

19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi.

They were specifically chosen for that reason, along with a couple of Kuwaitis (IIRC) to fool the weak-minded.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 21, 2017, 10:49:24 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 21, 2017, 02:58:44 AM

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
Bin Laden was from Saudi.

Although born in SA, OBL was the son of a Yemeni father and a Syrian mother.

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi.

They were specifically chosen for that reason, along with a couple of Kuwaitis (IIRC) to fool the weak-minded.

B/B

9/11 was an inside job. Since when did Saudi's have access to buildings to plant explosives for controlled demolitions?

Since when did the Saudi's have the capability to control NORAD and cause it to take 1 hour and 45 minutes to scramble jets when the normal time is 6 minutes?

Cell phone calls from passengers on aircraft to their families back then? Not possible.

Etc.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 21, 2017, 11:02:27 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 21, 2017, 10:49:24 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 21, 2017, 02:58:44 AM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
Bin Laden was from Saudi.

Although born in SA, OBL was the son of a Yemeni father and a Syrian mother.

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi.

They were specifically chosen for that reason, along with a couple of Kuwaitis (IIRC) to fool the weak-minded.

B/B

9/11 was an inside job. Since when did Saudi's have access to buildings to plant explosives for controlled demolitions?

Since when did the Saudi's have the capability to control NORAD and cause it to take 1 hour and 45 minutes to scramble jets when the normal time is 6 minutes?

Cell phone calls from passengers on aircraft to their families back then? Not possible.

Etc.

No-one with an Apple Mac died in 9/11. Steve Jobs did it.

Definitely more credence in that than this controlled demolition claptrap! What is it with you Septics and conspiracy theories?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 21, 2017, 11:18:40 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 21, 2017, 11:02:27 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 21, 2017, 10:49:24 AM
Quote from: B.B. on May 21, 2017, 02:58:44 AM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
Bin Laden was from Saudi.

Although born in SA, OBL was the son of a Yemeni father and a Syrian mother.

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi.

They were specifically chosen for that reason, along with a couple of Kuwaitis (IIRC) to fool the weak-minded.

B/B

9/11 was an inside job. Since when did Saudi's have access to buildings to plant explosives for controlled demolitions?

Since when did the Saudi's have the capability to control NORAD and cause it to take 1 hour and 45 minutes to scramble jets when the normal time is 6 minutes?

Cell phone calls from passengers on aircraft to their families back then? Not possible.

Etc.

No-one with an Apple Mac died in 9/11. Steve Jobs did it.

Definitely more credence in that than this controlled demolition claptrap! What is it with you Septics and conspiracy theories?

Claptrap? And here I thought you were smart. Tell us how building 7 collapsed. Yes, controlled demolitions. The sounds of those were recorded by CNN and other news agencies when 1st responders were in the bldgs. Those sounds scrubbed from the media involved.

And tell me why jets were not scrambled in the normal 6 minutes to take those passenger planes out? Because NORAD is controlled by govt. employees and the whole charade was an inside job. 1 hour and 45 minutes to scramble jets. Yeah right! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Take the RED pill and wake up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 21, 2017, 11:30:26 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 21, 2017, 11:18:40 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 21, 2017, 11:02:27 AM
Quote from: Confederate on May 21, 2017, 10:49:24 AM
Quote from: B.B. on May 21, 2017, 02:58:44 AM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
Bin Laden was from Saudi.

Although born in SA, OBL was the son of a Yemeni father and a Syrian mother.

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi.

They were specifically chosen for that reason, along with a couple of Kuwaitis (IIRC) to fool the weak-minded.

B/B

9/11 was an inside job. Since when did Saudi's have access to buildings to plant explosives for controlled demolitions?

Since when did the Saudi's have the capability to control NORAD and cause it to take 1 hour and 45 minutes to scramble jets when the normal time is 6 minutes?

Cell phone calls from passengers on aircraft to their families back then? Not possible.

Etc.

No-one with an Apple Mac died in 9/11. Steve Jobs did it.

Definitely more credence in that than this controlled demolition claptrap! What is it with you Septics and conspiracy theories?

Claptrap? And here I thought you were smart. Tell us how building 7 collapsed. Yes, controlled demolitions. The sounds of those were recorded by CNN and other news agencies when 1st responders were in the bldgs. Those sounds scrubbed from the media involved.

And tell me why jets were not scrambled in the normal 6 minutes to take those passenger planes out? Because NORAD is controlled by govt. employees and the whole charade was an inside job. 1 hour and 45 minutes to scramble jets. Yeah right! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Take the RED pill and wake up.

Maybe flown by JFK and aliens from Roswell with Lizards in high positions that control the World?

Or maybe Den Perry did it the fat pig.

The whole premise is preposterous, if you want to discredit Al Quaeda why not manufacture something a little less Austin Powers and a little more maskable like an anthrax attack or poisoning the drinking water in some city. All that would take is some poison and being up a utility company employee or two - not several airliners, the silence of about 4000 people ITK, some secretive demolitions experts, someone with a missile or two, come on man. Is cannabis legal in your State?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on May 21, 2017, 01:13:21 PM

Quote from: Ste on May 21, 2017, 11:30:26 AM

Maybe flown by JFK and aliens from Roswell with Lizards in high positions that control the World?

Or maybe Den Perry did it the fat pig.

The whole premise is preposterous, if you want to discredit Al Quaeda why not manufacture something a little less Austin Powers and a little more maskable like an anthrax attack or poisoning the drinking water in some city. All that would take is some poison and being up a utility company employee or two - not several airliners, the silence of about 4000 people ITK, some secretive demolitions experts, someone with a missile or two, come on man. Is cannabis legal in your State?

But Ste, those buildings were sent down with controlled demolition. Although not for the reasons Conferedate thinks.

They were simply afraid it wouldn't go down in a straight line but "tip over" causing massivly more damage. Someone ordered the button pushed and it went straight down solving that problem.

I suspect there was no ill reasons but simply as a damage-prevention thing.

As to tower-7, I have no idea why that one came down as it was not on fire, nor damaged by the airplanes. (2 airplanes, 3 towers????)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 21, 2017, 01:16:48 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 21, 2017, 10:49:24 AM

9/11 was an inside job. Since when did Saudi's have access to buildings to plant explosives for controlled demolitions?

Since when did the Saudi's have the capability to control NORAD and cause it to take 1 hour and 45 minutes to scramble jets when the normal time is 6 minutes?

Cell phone calls from passengers on aircraft to their families back then? Not possible.

Etc.

Please tell me we are not going here again?

:fighting0025: :Zzzzsleep:

There is an entire thread on the Twin Towers. Stick all this there and lets try to stay on topic with the ever smallest thought regarding Trump as wobbly and wolly as it may be.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 21, 2017, 01:20:14 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 21, 2017, 01:16:48 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 21, 2017, 10:49:24 AM
9/11 was an inside job. Since when did Saudi's have access to buildings to plant explosives for controlled demolitions?

Since when did the Saudi's have the capability to control NORAD and cause it to take 1 hour and 45 minutes to scramble jets when the normal time is 6 minutes?

Cell phone calls from passengers on aircraft to their families back then? Not possible.

Etc.

Please tell me we are not going here again?

:fighting0025: :Zzzzsleep:

There is an entire thread on the Twin Towers. Stick all this there and lets try to stay on topic with the ever smallest thought regarding Trump as wobbly and wolly as it may be.

You might ask yourself why is the Corporate controlled media going after Trump so hard with unfounded allegations of him colluding with the Russians?

Is the "deep state" attempting their soft-coup of the Trump administration because they know that he knows what really happened on September 11?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 21, 2017, 01:23:52 PM

Quote from: Ste on May 21, 2017, 11:30:26 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 21, 2017, 11:18:40 AM
Quote from: Ste on May 21, 2017, 11:02:27 AM
Quote from: Confederate on May 21, 2017, 10:49:24 AM
Quote from: B.B. on May 21, 2017, 02:58:44 AM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
Bin Laden was from Saudi.

Although born in SA, OBL was the son of a Yemeni father and a Syrian mother.

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi.

They were specifically chosen for that reason, along with a couple of Kuwaitis (IIRC) to fool the weak-minded.

B/B

9/11 was an inside job. Since when did Saudi's have access to buildings to plant explosives for controlled demolitions?

Since when did the Saudi's have the capability to control NORAD and cause it to take 1 hour and 45 minutes to scramble jets when the normal time is 6 minutes?

Cell phone calls from passengers on aircraft to their families back then? Not possible.

Etc.

No-one with an Apple Mac died in 9/11. Steve Jobs did it.

Definitely more credence in that than this controlled demolition claptrap! What is it with you Septics and conspiracy theories?

Claptrap? And here I thought you were smart. Tell us how building 7 collapsed. Yes, controlled demolitions. The sounds of those were recorded by CNN and other news agencies when 1st responders were in the bldgs. Those sounds scrubbed from the media involved.

And tell me why jets were not scrambled in the normal 6 minutes to take those passenger planes out? Because NORAD is controlled by govt. employees and the whole charade was an inside job. 1 hour and 45 minutes to scramble jets. Yeah right! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Take the RED pill and wake up.

Maybe flown by JFK and aliens from Roswell with Lizards in high positions that control the World?

1. Remote control of Boeing aircraft.

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/control.html

2. NORAD stand down.

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/index.html

Layered Failures

The air defense network had, on September 11th, predictable and effective procedures for dealing with just such an attack. Yet it failed to respond in a timely manner until after the attack was over, more than an hour and a half after it had started. The official timeline describes a series of events and mode of response in which the delays are spread out into a number of areas. There are failures upon failures, in what might be described as a strategy of layered failures, or failure in depth. The failures can be divided into four types.

3. Controlled demolitions.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/proofs/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 21, 2017, 01:30:52 PM

Quote from: Markje on May 21, 2017, 01:13:21 PM

Quote from: Ste on May 21, 2017, 11:30:26 AM
Maybe flown by JFK and aliens from Roswell with Lizards in high positions that control the World?

Or maybe Den Perry did it the fat pig.

The whole premise is preposterous, if you want to discredit Al Quaeda why not manufacture something a little less Austin Powers and a little more maskable like an anthrax attack or poisoning the drinking water in some city. All that would take is some poison and being up a utility company employee or two - not several airliners, the silence of about 4000 people ITK, some secretive demolitions experts, someone with a missile or two, come on man. Is cannabis legal in your State?
But Ste, those buildings were sent down with controlled demolition. Although not for the reasons Conferedate thinks.

They were simply afraid it wouldn't go down in a straight line but "tip over" causing massivly more damage. Someone ordered the button pushed and it went straight down solving that problem.

I suspect there was no ill reasons but simply as a damage-prevention thing.

As to tower-7, I have no idea why that one came down as it was not on fire, nor damaged by the airplanes. (2 airplanes, 3 towers????)

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/wtc7/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on May 21, 2017, 02:12:02 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 21, 2017, 10:49:24 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 21, 2017, 02:58:44 AM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
Bin Laden was from Saudi.

Although born in SA, OBL was the son of a Yemeni father and a Syrian mother.

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi.

They were specifically chosen for that reason, along with a couple of Kuwaitis (IIRC) to fool the weak-minded.

B/B

9/11 was an inside job. Since when did Saudi's have access to buildings to plant explosives for controlled demolitions?

Since when did the Saudi's have the capability to control NORAD and cause it to take 1 hour and 45 minutes to scramble jets when the normal time is 6 minutes?

Cell phone calls from passengers on aircraft to their families back then? Not possible.

Etc.

Oh, for crying out loud. Not this BS again. This is just utter nonsense.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 21, 2017, 02:44:07 PM

President Trump’s Speech to the Arab Islamic American Summit

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/05/21/president-trumps-speech-arab-islamic-american-summit

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 21, 2017, 02:54:39 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on May 21, 2017, 02:12:02 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 21, 2017, 10:49:24 AM
Quote from: B.B. on May 21, 2017, 02:58:44 AM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
Bin Laden was from Saudi.

Although born in SA, OBL was the son of a Yemeni father and a Syrian mother.

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi.

They were specifically chosen for that reason, along with a couple of Kuwaitis (IIRC) to fool the weak-minded.

B/B

9/11 was an inside job. Since when did Saudi's have access to buildings to plant explosives for controlled demolitions?

Since when did the Saudi's have the capability to control NORAD and cause it to take 1 hour and 45 minutes to scramble jets when the normal time is 6 minutes?

Cell phone calls from passengers on aircraft to their families back then? Not possible.

Etc.
Oh, for crying out loud. Not this BS again. This is just utter nonsense.

I agree

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 21, 2017, 04:10:07 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 21, 2017, 02:54:39 PM

I agree

There was a guy at the go gabber forum that would always turn any
conversation into UFO's. You could be talking about thongs and bikini
waxes and he would bring up Aliens traveling to South American and
causing the the extinction of Inca's or something. (I made up the Inca
part).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 21, 2017, 05:01:16 PM

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 01:23:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 20, 2017, 01:12:41 PM
Especially for Jerash.

https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/866006660120281088

:) Spasiba, that made me smile.

Another one that you might like.

https://twitter.com/FLOTUS/status/866259177412349952

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 21, 2017, 05:52:42 PM

Boeing inks deals with Saudi Arabia during Trump's visit.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2017/05/21/boeing-inks-military-commercial-deals-with-saudi-arabia.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 21, 2017, 06:01:59 PM

Supermodels are lining up to inpeach President Trump. :laugh:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAY44PWXgAEKt0-.jpg)

https://twitter.com/OMFGNN/status/866442524281495554

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 21, 2017, 07:13:15 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 21, 2017, 04:10:07 PM

Quote from: yankee on May 21, 2017, 02:54:39 PM

I agree

There was a guy at the go gabber forum that would always turn any
conversation into UFO's. You could be talking about thongs and bikini
waxes and he would bring up Aliens traveling to South American and
causing the the extinction of Inca's or something. (I made up the Inca
part).

Perhaps you didn't notice however I wasn't the one who first brought up the subject of 9/11 in this thread.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 21, 2017, 08:05:00 PM

Ivanka Trump does a great thing for women while in Saudi Arabia. Jerash this is why engaging in diplomacy is so important.

http://www.youngcons.com/ivanka-helped-create-womens-empowerment-fund-with-saudi-arabia-and-u-a-e-donating-100-million/?ref=FacebookPost

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 22, 2017, 01:27:04 AM

Have wondered for a while now, why has President Trump and Putin not met?

Reading different theories and have my own opinions but curious to hear others thoughts.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on May 22, 2017, 01:30:20 AM

Quote from: leslied on May 20, 2017, 12:56:01 PM

Ever lived and worked in Saudi Jerash?? I was there a couple of weeks ago. Lets put a few things straight.

Bin Ladin was a terrorist. He fled KSA in fear of his life. There is no Gitmo in KSA for people like him, just a sword after Friday prayers...

USA executes people, so do the Saudi's. My estimation the sword is way quicker.

Where did you get the idea that the whole world has to conform to libtard western values? Or that the USA has a right to enforce those values on other cultures which were centers of civilization when the good old USA was populated with hunter gathering native Americans??

KSA will evolve at its own pace. Western women do not have to cover their hair or faces ANYWHERE in KSA. Dress modestly and wear an Oba (like a midi length university gown) and that is it. King Zaman removed the religious police right of arrest soon after he took power. Many young saudi women only wear a scarf. At the beginning of the year many male restrictions on female education, healthcare, travel etc. were removed. Go into any shopping mall and you will see many groups of women and not a male in sight LOL The only male involved in these frequent trips is the Pakistani chauffeur who is waiting in the car park with the Bentley and this is in Riyadh - the most conservative city!

KSA is not sponsoring terrorism you have to look to the Emirates for that. The $380 billion dollar trade deal is very good news. It means 100,000 of jobs in the USA. The Gulf must stand up for itself militarily and become less dependent on Western protection. The USA knows who its friends are in the middle east and Trump is doing great business with them.

Well, for someone who lived there you missed the point that S.Arabia has exported Wahhabism - an ultra conservative form of Islam - spending billions of it's oil revenues. It's state-sponsored spread has set differing flavours of Islam fighting each other in many countries and Daesh were inspired by it's teachings - taking it to an absolute level

You confuse the Saudi Royal family fighting to keep control of power and pragmatism in dealing with the west with very similar beliefs.

For those interested check out Wahhabism or Salafism

It is kind of ironic that Trump pronounces Iran is a terrorist state and praised the Saudis on the day they the Iranians re-elected a more moderate leader ...note Iran has elections.. :'(

Iran’s Pres. Rouhani Wins Re-Election in a Landslide

https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-pres-rouhani-wins-election-153553265.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-pres-rouhani-wins-election-153553265.html)

Iran foreign minister scorns Trump after speech, arms deal
https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-foreign-minister-scorns-trump-speech-arms-deal-033225087.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-foreign-minister-scorns-trump-speech-arms-deal-033225087.html)

Trump did a deal about MONEY ...certainly not promoting stability in the region ... the man's a disaster - all over the place re Foreign Policy .....

Title: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 22, 2017, 02:43:30 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 22, 2017, 01:27:04 AM

Have wondered for a while now, why has President Trump and Putin not met?

Reading different theories and have my own opinions but curious to hear others thoughts.

I'm no Putin fan but he'll run rings round Trump.

On totally different levels, i.e. Putin wily, Trump thick as pig shit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on May 22, 2017, 02:50:03 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 22, 2017, 02:43:30 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 22, 2017, 01:27:04 AM
Have wondered for a while now, why has President Trump and Putin not met?

Reading different theories and have my own opinions but curious to hear others thoughts.

I'm no Putin fan but he'll run rings round Trump.

On totally different levels, i.e. Putin wily, Trump thick as pig shit.

Someone who gets elected POTUS is not thick as pig shit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 22, 2017, 12:25:22 PM

Re: the ongoing slow coup

Is this the Deep State Nine:
(https://i.redditmedia.com/2WyBnjvK4w0CyUfSm2HBqVe2iky7G7inBRkPK7Y2k1M.jpg?w=854&s=6811f5c732bcac603ceb5d961ab4998b)

Left to right:
McCain
Obama
Pelosi
John Podesta
Comey
Cooper
Schumer
Soros
Palmieri

Looks feasible to me, but is there a puppet master not on the list here?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 22, 2017, 12:47:13 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 21, 2017, 07:13:15 PM

Perhaps you didn't notice however I wasn't the one who first brought up the subject of 9/11 in this thread.

I wasn't using my example to implicate you.

I was chatting with Yankee, who migrated here from the defunct Gogabber
forum, about somebody over there who didn't migrate over here (thank
goodness, he was a nutter).

I usually edit the quotes and take out all the other conversations so that
nobody mistakenly thinks I am talking about them and also because it's good
forum etiquette and keeps the threads tidy.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 22, 2017, 12:58:35 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on May 22, 2017, 02:50:03 AM

Someone who gets elected POTUS is not thick as pig shit.

Most graduates of the Wharton School of business and men who manage
to accumulate a few billion dollars are thick, didn't you know?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 22, 2017, 01:02:43 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on May 21, 2017, 02:12:02 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 21, 2017, 10:49:24 AM
Quote from: B.B. on May 21, 2017, 02:58:44 AM
Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
Bin Laden was from Saudi.

Although born in SA, OBL was the son of a Yemeni father and a Syrian mother.

Quote from: Jerash on May 20, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
19 of 21 9/11 attackers were Saudi.

They were specifically chosen for that reason, along with a couple of Kuwaitis (IIRC) to fool the weak-minded.

B/B

9/11 was an inside job. Since when did Saudi's have access to buildings to plant explosives for controlled demolitions?

Since when did the Saudi's have the capability to control NORAD and cause it to take 1 hour and 45 minutes to scramble jets when the normal time is 6 minutes?

Cell phone calls from passengers on aircraft to their families back then? Not possible.

Etc.
Oh, for crying out loud. Not this BS again. This is just utter nonsense.

We've been down this road before. The guys who hate Trump are the anti-conspiracy theorists. But they sure are into conspiracy theories about Trump and Russia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 22, 2017, 01:31:17 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 22, 2017, 12:25:22 PM

Re: the ongoing slow coup

Is this the Deep State Nine:
(https://i.redditmedia.com/2WyBnjvK4w0CyUfSm2HBqVe2iky7G7inBRkPK7Y2k1M.jpg?w=854&s=6811f5c732bcac603ceb5d961ab4998b)

Left to right:
McCain
Obama
Pelosi
John Podesta
Comey
Cooper
Schumer
Soros
Palmieri

Looks feasible to me, but is there a puppet master not on the list here?

I would add former CIA Director John Brennan to your list.

This Russian investigation nonsense all starts to go away tomorrow.

Sean Hannity will have a special on Fox news. #SethRichIsRussia

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 22, 2017, 03:41:03 PM

Quote from: Markje on May 21, 2017, 01:13:21 PM

They were simply afraid it wouldn't go down in a straight line but "tip over" causing massivly more damage. Someone ordered the button pushed and it went straight down solving that problem.

I suspect there was no ill reasons but simply as a damage-prevention thing.

Buildings don't fall that way. They "pancake" downward.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on May 23, 2017, 01:27:27 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 22, 2017, 03:41:03 PM

Buildings don't fall that way. They "pancake" downward.

B/B

In a controlled environment maybe, but if half is damaged and half not (like say, from a plane hitting it halfway down) then it could tip over like a giant tree thats being cut down.

There are also plenty of examples from China with buildings tipping over... but that was shoddy construction and not a terror act.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 23, 2017, 03:13:03 AM

Quote from: Markje on May 23, 2017, 01:27:27 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 22, 2017, 03:41:03 PM
Buildings don't fall that way. They "pancake" downward.

B/B
In a controlled environment maybe, but if half is damaged and half not (like say, from a plane hitting it halfway down) then it could tip over like a giant tree thats being cut down.

There are also plenty of examples from China with buildings tipping over... but that was shoddy construction and not a terror act.

If one understands the construction engineering of the Twin Towers it is clear why the buildings after the impacts fell the way they did.

Please lets move this discussion to the pre-existing thread on 9/11.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 23, 2017, 08:39:57 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 23, 2017, 03:13:03 AM

Quote from: Markje on May 23, 2017, 01:27:27 AM
Quote from: B.B. on May 22, 2017, 03:41:03 PM
Buildings don't fall that way. They "pancake" downward.

B/B
In a controlled environment maybe, but if half is damaged and half not (like say, from a plane hitting it halfway down) then it could tip over like a giant tree thats being cut down.

There are also plenty of examples from China with buildings tipping over... but that was shoddy construction and not a terror act.

If one understands the construction engineering of the Twin Towers it is clear why the buildings after the impacts fell the way they did.

Please lets move this discussion to the pre-existing thread on 9/11.

Where is it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 23, 2017, 10:24:13 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 17, 2017, 08:14:42 AM

Looks like I popped back just in time for the Impeachment Partay!!

I said June....

Here's how your fantasy will become a reality. In another dimension.

Deadspin publishes an unauthorized copy of the video mentioned in the Steele dossier purporting to show Donald Trump engaging in a very unusual situation with Russian prostitutes at the Ritz-Carlton in Moscow. The majority of the 55-minute video involves an extended argument over the bill.

http://freebeacon.com/blog/president-hillary-clinton/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 23, 2017, 10:30:19 AM

This one is for the likes of Moby. Although others may enjoy it as well.

Of all the compelling statistics to emerge from the 2016 election, one of the most interesting was this: Trump won 76 percent of the 493 counties with a Cracker Barrel Old Country Store; he won just 22 percent of the 184 counties with a Whole Foods Market.

http://trump.washingtonexaminer.com/how-donald-trump-ate-hillarys-lunch-in-cracker-barrel-counties/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 23, 2017, 12:05:08 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 23, 2017, 10:30:19 AM

This one is for the likes of Moby. Although others may enjoy it as well.

Of all the compelling statistics to emerge from the 2016 election, one of the most interesting was this: Trump won 76 percent of the 493 counties with a Cracker Barrel Old Country Store; he won just 22 percent of the 184 counties with a Whole Foods Market.

More evidence that Republicans are just racist crackers!!!
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f3/3b/ae/f33bae7b2aaddbe572868310f38bf332.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 23, 2017, 12:20:02 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 23, 2017, 08:39:57 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 23, 2017, 03:13:03 AM
Quote from: Markje on May 23, 2017, 01:27:27 AM
Quote from: B.B. on May 22, 2017, 03:41:03 PM
Buildings don't fall that way. They "pancake" downward.

B/B
In a controlled environment maybe, but if half is damaged and half not (like say, from a plane hitting it halfway down) then it could tip over like a giant tree thats being cut down.

There are also plenty of examples from China with buildings tipping over... but that was shoddy construction and not a terror act.

If one understands the construction engineering of the Twin Towers it is clear why the buildings after the impacts fell the way they did.

Please lets move this discussion to the pre-existing thread on 9/11.

Where is it?

I forgot that this thread was started by BillyB.

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,2136.0.html

We only have 69 pages ~ well at least that number is good.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 23, 2017, 04:50:35 PM

Congressional hearings on Tuesday showed there is no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, and that President Trump never jeopardized intelligence sources, a White House spokesman said.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 23, 2017, 07:49:18 PM

Four hundred billion dollars ransom paid the king of Saudi Arabia to Donald Trump for the protection of his country and also to forget the new American president the bizarre dealings of Riyadh with ISIS.

Anybody who attended or watched on TV the Trump speech, during his recent visit to Saudi Arabia, couldn’t believe his sudden change on his previous statements. ONLY Americans who are born marketers immediately understood the new approach of Trump on the issue of terrorism. His radical change was not due to a sudden ideological differentiation, but only the consideration of the offered benefits in return.

Two hundred billion dollars will cost to Saudi Arabia, only the purchases of armament programs from the Large American Corporations, while the whole agreements are touching the very large sum of four hundred billion dollars.

These grand deals made Donald Trump to forget his fiery speeches, during the elections, which he was making, for the hidden and overt financiers of the Jihadists. His was threatening to block the bank accounts of those involved in the financing of the ISIS.

To justify his conversion and bows to the King of Saudi Arabia he began to sing a new tale. This time he included IRAN which he said is a threat to world peace.

The Jihadists have passed now into the background and references to the terrorist Islam was purely ostensible and rounded, so as not to expose the large customer of US multinational, called Saudi Arabia.

The Americans are traders and therefore sell everything for a good price. Besides, the Jihadists were their own creation! This dangerous construct was created by the CIA.

FIRST training grounds for the jihadists were Egypt, then Pakistan and sponsor of this terrorist organization were Saudi Arabia and other Arab states. ISIS has managed to survive, to fund operational needs and to cover the costs of fifty thousand mercenaries with funding received from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other countries.

THESE were the views supported by President Trump during the elections and he was promising to expose those who threaten world peace. So Saudi Arabia had to pay him ransom of four hundred billion Dollars to forget all. Moreover, ethics has no place in the political-business. This is shown by the Americans daily.

SO for Trunp politics is solely-business.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 24, 2017, 05:45:57 AM

Trumpton has now called Belgium a 'beautiful city'

And folks on here are telling me he's not as thick as pig shit?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on May 24, 2017, 05:57:10 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 24, 2017, 05:45:57 AM

Trumpton has now called Belgium a 'beautiful city'

And folks on here are telling me he's not as thick as pig shit?

A lack of factual knowledge is not an indicator of being 'thick as pig shit'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 24, 2017, 06:03:54 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 23, 2017, 07:49:18 PM

Four hundred billion dollars ransom paid the king of Saudi Arabia to Donald Trump for the protection of his country and also to forget the new American president the bizarre dealings of Riyadh with ISIS.

Anybody who attended or watched on TV the Trump speech, during his recent visit to Saudi Arabia, couldn’t believe his sudden change on his previous statements. ONLY Americans who are born marketers immediately understood the new approach of Trump on the issue of terrorism. His radical change was not due to a sudden ideological differentiation, but only the consideration of the offered benefits in return.

Two hundred billion dollars will cost to Saudi Arabia, only the purchases of armament programs from the Large American Corporations, while the whole agreements are touching the very large sum of four hundred billion dollars.

These grand deals made Donald Trump to forget his fiery speeches, during the elections, which he was making, for the hidden and overt financiers of the Jihadists. His was threatening to block the bank accounts of those involved in the financing of the ISIS.

To justify his conversion and bows to the King of Saudi Arabia he began to sing a new tale. This time he included IRAN which he said is a threat to world peace.

The Jihadists have passed now into the background and references to the terrorist Islam was purely ostensible and rounded, so as not to expose the large customer of US multinational, called Saudi Arabia.

The Americans are traders and therefore sell everything for a good price. Besides, the Jihadists were their own creation! This dangerous construct was created by the CIA.

FIRST training grounds for the jihadists were Egypt, then Pakistan and sponsor of this terrorist organization were Saudi Arabia and other Arab states. ISIS has managed to survive, to fund operational needs and to cover the costs of fifty thousand mercenaries with funding received from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other countries.

THESE were the views supported by President Trump during the elections and he was promising to expose those who threaten world peace. So Saudi Arabia had to pay him ransom of four hundred billion Dollars to forget all. Moreover, ethics has no place in the political-business. This is shown by the Americans daily.

SO for Trunp politics is solely-business.

I agree with all that. He is a sell out.

Ivanka's "fund" (for something forgettable) managed to get £100m as well I recall reading.

Bent as a nine bob note.

He'll probably be gone soon anyway if the deep state get their way. Pence seems to be waiting for his turn and making preparations.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 24, 2017, 06:50:05 AM

Donald Trump forgot his fiery speeches, which he was making during the election, for the hidden and overt financiers of the Jihadists. His was threatening to block the bank accounts of those involved in the financing of the ISIS. To justify his conversion and bows to the King of Saudi Arabia he began to sing a new tale.

This time he also included IRAN in his speech in Riyadh, which he said is a threat to world peace!
His Master is happy with his statement about IRAN!

(http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/U/USA/Trump/Trump_Netanachou.jpg)

"A picture is worth a thousand words"

Quote from: Manny on May 24, 2017, 06:03:54 AM

Bent as a nine bob note.

He'll probably be gone soon anyway if the deep state get their way. Pence seems to be waiting for his turn and making preparations.

I see no reason of him going, now that his sings the tune of the Pentagon Multinational large Suppliers and is signing all contracts to their benefit!

Have you checked his family history in Wiki?

His grandfather was a pimp!

PS: Why did he visit Sicily and the Vatican?

:ROFL:

NOTE: Had to edit my post because we posted at the same time:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2017, 07:47:25 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 24, 2017, 05:45:57 AM

Trumpton has now called Belgium a 'beautiful city'

And folks on here are telling me he's not as thick as pig shit?

He's on a trip promoting diplomacy and the USA abroad.

Should he take a dig and call it something else? :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2017, 07:48:40 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 24, 2017, 06:03:54 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 23, 2017, 07:49:18 PM
Four hundred billion dollars ransom paid the king of Saudi Arabia to Donald Trump for the protection of his country and also to forget the new American president the bizarre dealings of Riyadh with ISIS.

Anybody who attended or watched on TV the Trump speech, during his recent visit to Saudi Arabia, couldn’t believe his sudden change on his previous statements. ONLY Americans who are born marketers immediately understood the new approach of Trump on the issue of terrorism. His radical change was not due to a sudden ideological differentiation, but only the consideration of the offered benefits in return.

Two hundred billion dollars will cost to Saudi Arabia, only the purchases of armament programs from the Large American Corporations, while the whole agreements are touching the very large sum of four hundred billion dollars.

These grand deals made Donald Trump to forget his fiery speeches, during the elections, which he was making, for the hidden and overt financiers of the Jihadists. His was threatening to block the bank accounts of those involved in the financing of the ISIS.

To justify his conversion and bows to the King of Saudi Arabia he began to sing a new tale. This time he included IRAN which he said is a threat to world peace.

The Jihadists have passed now into the background and references to the terrorist Islam was purely ostensible and rounded, so as not to expose the large customer of US multinational, called Saudi Arabia.

The Americans are traders and therefore sell everything for a good price. Besides, the Jihadists were their own creation! This dangerous construct was created by the CIA.

FIRST training grounds for the jihadists were Egypt, then Pakistan and sponsor of this terrorist organization were Saudi Arabia and other Arab states. ISIS has managed to survive, to fund operational needs and to cover the costs of fifty thousand mercenaries with funding received from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other countries.

THESE were the views supported by President Trump during the elections and he was promising to expose those who threaten world peace. So Saudi Arabia had to pay him ransom of four hundred billion Dollars to forget all. Moreover, ethics has no place in the political-business. This is shown by the Americans daily.

SO for Trunp politics is solely-business.

I agree with all that. He is a sell out.

Ivanka's "fund" (for something forgettable) managed to get £100m as well I recall reading.

Bent as a nine bob note.

He'll probably be gone soon anyway if the deep state get their way. Pence seems to be waiting for his turn and making preparations.

He's doing what he was hired to do. He's making deals which are beneficial to the US economy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 24, 2017, 07:58:01 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 07:47:25 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 24, 2017, 05:45:57 AM
Trumpton has now called Belgium a 'beautiful city'

And folks on here are telling me he's not as thick as pig shit?

He's on a trip promoting diplomacy and the USA abroad.

Should he take a dig and call it something else? :coffeeread:

Belgium is a country not a city.

I assume he meant Brussels, which he previously labelled 'a hell-hole' recently.

Actually apart from the Grote Markt, which is very pretty, the rest of it is a bit of a dump TBF.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2017, 08:02:47 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 24, 2017, 07:58:01 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 07:47:25 AM
Quote from: Ste on May 24, 2017, 05:45:57 AM
Trumpton has now called Belgium a 'beautiful city'

And folks on here are telling me he's not as thick as pig shit?

He's on a trip promoting diplomacy and the USA abroad.

Should he take a dig and call it something else? :coffeeread:

Belgium is a country not a city.

I assume he meant Brussels, which he previously labelled 'a hell-hole' recently.

Actually apart from the Grote Markt, which is very pretty, the rest of it is a bit of a dump TBF.

Trump thinks Bigly. He probably didn't realize such a small country was not a city. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 24, 2017, 08:04:33 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 07:47:25 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 24, 2017, 05:45:57 AM
Trumpton has now called Belgium a 'beautiful city'

And folks on here are telling me he's not as thick as pig shit?

He's on a trip promoting diplomacy and the USA abroad.

Should he take a dig and call it something else? :coffeeread:

You DO know that Belgium is a country and not a city, RIGHT?

Ah well, you just learned something today!
Belgium is a country in Europe, the capital city is called Brussels.
Brussels is quite a pleasant place to be though.

I reckon Trump probably made a slip of the tongue, you, COnfederate, wrote a response based upon NOT knowing, not a slip of the finger or 'tongue'. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2017, 08:13:09 AM

Thanks Ste for being a gent. I haven't had enough coffee yet nor am I infallible like Andrew. :-*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 24, 2017, 08:22:05 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 07:48:40 AM

He's doing what he was hired to do. He's making deals which are beneficial to the US economy.

At the expense of dying kids in Yemen using your bombs, we know.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2017, 08:26:49 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 24, 2017, 08:22:05 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 07:48:40 AM
He's doing what he was hired to do. He's making deals which are beneficial to the US economy.

At the expense of dying kids in Yemen using your bombs, we know.

Are the radicals in Yemen responsible for that? Or the USA?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 24, 2017, 09:22:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 08:26:49 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 24, 2017, 08:22:05 AM
Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 07:48:40 AM
He's doing what he was hired to do. He's making deals which are beneficial to the US economy.

At the expense of dying kids in Yemen using your bombs, we know.

Are the radicals in Yemen responsible for that? Or the USA?

This is all covered above. He is doing daily the exact opposite of what he said he would do, and you lot over the pond seem too dumb to notice. I said before I am off the Trump train. The sooner the bloke is impeached the better. He is a menace to the world.

He might have started out with good ideas, he might even have meant some of what he said when he was saying it, so it's a coin toss between dishonest or got at/compromised. And either are sides of the same coin.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 24, 2017, 10:09:17 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 24, 2017, 09:22:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 08:26:49 AM
Quote from: Manny on May 24, 2017, 08:22:05 AM
Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 07:48:40 AM
He's doing what he was hired to do. He's making deals which are beneficial to the US economy.

At the expense of dying kids in Yemen using your bombs, we know.

Are the radicals in Yemen responsible for that? Or the USA?

This is all covered above. He is doing daily the exact opposite of what he said he would do, and you lot over the pond seem too dumb to notice. I said before I am off the Trump train. The sooner the bloke is impeached the better. He is a menace to the world.

He might have started out with good ideas, he might even have meant some of what he said when he was saying it, so it's a coin toss between dishonest or got at/compromised. And either are sides of the same coin.

I do not see it as dire as say Manny or Andrew. My opinion is compromised, unfortunately the voters in the US are much like in the same position as with Obama; they have received a good bills that do not match the manifest (sales contract/campaign promises). Such are politicians.

My guess the other option (Hillary) is far darker.

I wonder when will Confederate admit this?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2017, 10:59:24 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 24, 2017, 10:09:17 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 24, 2017, 09:22:45 AM
Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 08:26:49 AM
Quote from: Manny on May 24, 2017, 08:22:05 AM
Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 07:48:40 AM
He's doing what he was hired to do. He's making deals which are beneficial to the US economy.

At the expense of dying kids in Yemen using your bombs, we know.

Are the radicals in Yemen responsible for that? Or the USA?

This is all covered above. He is doing daily the exact opposite of what he said he would do, and you lot over the pond seem too dumb to notice. I said before I am off the Trump train. The sooner the bloke is impeached the better. He is a menace to the world.

He might have started out with good ideas, he might even have meant some of what he said when he was saying it, so it's a coin toss between dishonest or got at/compromised. And either are sides of the same coin.

I do not see it as dire as say Manny or Andrew. My opinion is compromised, unfortunately the voters in the US are much like in the same position as with Obama; they have received a good bills that do not match the manifest (sales contract/campaign promises). Such are politicians.

My guess the other option (Hillary) is far darker.

I wonder when will Confederate admit this?

What should I admit? That the option of Hillary would have been far darker? That's easy to acknowledge.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 24, 2017, 11:11:04 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 24, 2017, 07:58:01 AM

Belgium is a country not a city.

Do they speak any Austrian in Belgium? Because that language isn't
very common here in the states.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2017, 11:12:22 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 24, 2017, 08:22:05 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 07:48:40 AM
He's doing what he was hired to do. He's making deals which are beneficial to the US economy.

At the expense of dying kids in Yemen using your bombs, we know.

Now look who's using dying or dead kids to virtue signal. Quite frankly no different than Moby.

In fact it could easily be argued that Assad uses Russia's money and bombs to kill some of his own people.

You as an educated and informed British man should know that the heart of these conflicts is a century's old religious war between Sunni's and Shia's. In fact Great Britain didn't help this mess early on and likely only made it worse by abandoning Palestine to the Israeli's. A little too much pressure there and you lot were eager to leave.

Whether or not Russia supports Syria, Iran and other groups versus the USA supporting the Saudi's wouldn't make a whole lot of difference except we in the West would pay a higher price for crude oil and thus gas.

The Sunni's and the Shia's have a messianic need to kill each other and they will do it. I would far prefer the USA had never gone there but since we did would be happy if we reduced our exposure to the quagmire known as the middle east.

That won't happen because "the powers that be" are fully invested in this mess and their ego's are larger than Trump's. If you can imagine that.

Trump is street smart and he decided to "tow the line" and do what the "deep state" wants in regards to the middle east except he's refused their calls so far to make Syria a hot war with Russia; thankfully.

Calls for impeachment are Liberal poppycock and the whining about Russia was planned by Hillary and co. from day one to deflect from her many crimes and her abysmal results in the election.

You being on or off the "Trump train" matters not as you cannot vote in the USA. However the alternative would be worse. Pence is more in bed with DC and would be more likely to give them what they want which would be a hot war with Russia.

Our opinions and protestations are like the wind blowing. The World goes on with or without us.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 24, 2017, 11:17:08 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 24, 2017, 09:22:45 AM

This is all covered above. He is doing daily the exact opposite of what he said he would do, and you lot over the pond seem too dumb to notice. I said before I am off the Trump train. The sooner the bloke is impeached the better. He is a menace to the world.

He might have started out with good ideas, he might even have meant some of what he said when he was saying it, so it's a coin toss between dishonest or got at/compromised. And either are sides of the same coin.

He's a politician, putting too much faith or hope in one will always lead
to heartache. He's in the swamp that he hoped to drain now. I hope for
the best but I don't let myself to get emotionally involved.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2017, 11:24:00 AM

Quote from: Popka! on May 24, 2017, 11:11:04 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 24, 2017, 07:58:01 AM

Belgium is a country not a city.

Do they speak any Austrian in Belgium? Because that language isn't
very common here in the states.

I agree with you that Austrian's speak German but this German girl seems to believe otherwise.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on May 24, 2017, 11:30:08 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 11:12:22 AM

he's refused their calls so far to make Syria a hot war with Russia; thankfully.

I'll disagree with you on this. The US only fights wars against people who can't fight back, and those without nuclear weapons. Only where a fast and easy victory is certain. THAT is why they won't engage Russia or North Korea directly. And no other reason.

Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 11:12:22 AM

Our opinions and protestations are like the wind blowing. The World goes on with or without us.

This bit is right though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2017, 11:34:38 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 24, 2017, 11:30:08 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 11:12:22 AM
he's refused their calls so far to make Syria a hot war with Russia; thankfully.

I'll disagree with you on this. The US only fights wars against people who can't fight back, and those without nuclear weapons. Only where a fast and easy victory is certain. THAT is why they won't engage Russia or North Korea directly. And no other reason.

Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 11:12:22 AM
Our opinions and protestations are like the wind blowing. The World goes on with or without us.

This bit is right though.

Hate to admit it but I believe you're correct in your assertion above about US wanting easy victory's.

Although to be a bit contrarian there's been no easy victory in Afghanistan and we're still there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2017, 11:38:04 AM

Quote from: Popka! on May 24, 2017, 11:17:08 AM

Quote from: Manny on May 24, 2017, 09:22:45 AM
This is all covered above. He is doing daily the exact opposite of what he said he would do, and you lot over the pond seem too dumb to notice. I said before I am off the Trump train. The sooner the bloke is impeached the better. He is a menace to the world.

He might have started out with good ideas, he might even have meant some of what he said when he was saying it, so it's a coin toss between dishonest or got at/compromised. And either are sides of the same coin.

He's a politician, putting too much faith or hope in one will always lead
to heartache. He's in the swamp that he hoped to drain now. I hope for
the best but I don't let myself to get emotionally involved.

I believe he was compromised and knew his life was literally at risk so he's playing the game.

Either way I'll be happy with a strong economy and especially if he builds that wall and gets his way on suspending immigration from the most dangerous countries. As well I'm very happy with his choice of Gorsuch.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on May 24, 2017, 11:42:04 AM

Snicker....
If it hasn't been mentioned before-
Just found out that a 'trump' in England means the audible passing of gas

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 24, 2017, 11:52:49 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 11:12:22 AM

Quite frankly no different than Moby.

Now THAT's going to leave a mark. (pun intended).

Quote from: Manny on May 24, 2017, 11:30:08 AM

I'll disagree with you on this. The US only fights wars against people who can't fight back, and those without nuclear weapons. Only where a fast and easy victory is certain. THAT is why they won't engage Russia or North Korea directly. And no other reason.

First, we're bigger and stronger than anyone else.

Second, every time we leave other places alone, they seem to sprout homocidal dictators, and cleaning that sort of thing up is time-consuming and messy. Thus it's better to keep people in line.

Third, what, precisely, would be the benefit of war with Russia, ATM? Is there something worth going to war with Russia over? While the Russians most assuredly violated their treaty obligations w/r/t Ukraine, Putin correctly deduced that the the West wasn't going to war over Ukraine. If he attacks a NATO member things would be different, so he won't.

Fourth, is there some pressing need to go to war with the NoKos? It would get messy for our ally, South Korea (goodbye to Seoul, which NoKo can hit with artillery, let alone nukes). Much better to make it China's problem. Little Fatty the 3rd is, after all, their client.

Fifth, sometimes we get *invited* into conflicts, such as Afghanistan, or the Balkans, back in the 1990s, when the Europeans once again couldn't handle their own shit.

As one of your lot once said, "Jaw-Jaw is better than War-War"...or perhaps you feel differently?

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 24, 2017, 11:55:15 AM

Quote from: tfcrew on May 24, 2017, 11:42:04 AM

Snicker....
If it hasn't been mentioned before-
Just found out that a 'trump' in England means the audible passing of gas

There's also a kids stop motion tv series called 'Trumpton' on BBC..

Pugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Diggle, Grubb.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2017, 11:56:16 AM

Some big players put enormous pressure on Sean Hannity and he backed away from the Seth Rich story. Here's the official rebuttal about it. I don't believe a word of it. :biggrin:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-life-and-death-of-the-seth-rich-conspiracy-theory/ar-BBBtNOF?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 24, 2017, 09:11:44 PM

‘Truckloads’ of US arms and ammo reach Kurdish militia in Syria – reports

https://www.rt.com/news/389638-us-arms-syrian-kurds/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on May 25, 2017, 07:09:35 AM

I am re-discovering Zizek...

Not a valid youtube URL
Slavoj Zizek on Trump and Brexit - BBC News

In words of Alex Shephard :"Zizek is basically arguing for liberal centrism against what he calls the “proto-fascist authoritarian capitalism alternative” of China and Russia, so his cottoning to Trump should be placed in that context. Either that or he’s just showing loyalty to his fellow Slovenian, Melania Trump." :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 25, 2017, 07:27:27 AM

Sounds more like Sylvester the Cat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkhPuH8G5Hg) on Trump & Brexit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on May 25, 2017, 07:51:23 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 25, 2017, 07:27:27 AM

Sounds more like Sylvester the Cat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkhPuH8G5Hg) on Trump & Brexit.

Yep, his speech is ... well, specific ;D He does it on purpose though (same like the ticks, stained shirts and all, 'tis all part of the show :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 25, 2017, 08:39:50 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 25, 2017, 07:27:27 AM

Sounds more like Sylvester the Cat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkhPuH8G5Hg) on Trump & Brexit.

He sounded more like an even more deranged Hitler than Hitler himself to me, especially w/ the constant hand movements.

And then he had the nerve to complain about the manner of how someone is allowed to speak in public. :sick0012: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 25, 2017, 08:52:27 AM

Ste, I think you will get a good laugh out of this one.

https://twitter.com/ImranGarda/status/867710933627490305

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 25, 2017, 09:44:11 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 24, 2017, 05:45:57 AM

Trumpton has now called Belgium a 'beautiful city'

And folks on here are telling me he's not as thick as pig shit?

People misspeak.

It happens.

Did you forget when Obama claimed he had visited "all 57 US states"?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 25, 2017, 12:34:30 PM

President Trump tells NATO members they need to pay up and pay their fair share for defense which is 2% of their GDP. Globalist-Banker weasel Macron thinks it's funny and can be seen snickering with some other guy.

https://twitter.com/GeorgiaDirtRoad/status/867758427128332288

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 25, 2017, 12:37:32 PM

Montenegro is in NATO now? LOL! Keep your place bud.

https://twitter.com/StFrexit/status/867785406594547713

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 25, 2017, 02:33:11 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 25, 2017, 12:37:32 PM

Montenegro is in NATO now? LOL! Keep your place bud.

https://twitter.com/StFrexit/status/867785406594547713

I doubt Trumpton is getting a Christmas card off Volshe this year........

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 25, 2017, 02:38:44 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 11:38:04 AM

I believe he was compromised and knew his life was literally at risk so he's playing the game.

Who is compromised and his life at risk?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 25, 2017, 02:53:27 PM

Trump's budget is ridiculous!

Non-military discretionary spending is only 17% Cutting the hell out this category of expenditures is completely ignoring the problem.

Does Trump have the courage REALLY do something about controlling the massive debt facing our country by suggesting reforms the mandatory expenses of the government? That means Social Security, Medicare and Medicaide?

A 2% increase in ss payroll tax (1% by person, 1% by employer) and extending the age of retirement from 65 to 72 for those age 45 and younger will have some serious long term impact on our growing national debt. Phase in the 65-72 retirement age for people between 45-55. No change for people 55 and older.

Think 1983 and the "Grand Bargain". We need a Reagan and a O'Neill. Can Trump and Pelosi do it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 25, 2017, 03:09:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 25, 2017, 02:53:27 PM

Trump's budget is ridiculous!

Non-military discretionary spending is only 17% Cutting the hell out this category of expenditures is completely ignoring the problem.

Does Trump have the courage REALLY do something about controlling the massive debt facing our country by suggesting reforms the mandatory expenses of the government? That means Social Security, Medicare and Medicaide?

A 2% increase in ss payroll tax (1% by person, 1% by employer) and extending the age of retirement from 65 to 72 for those age 45 and younger will have some serious long term impact on our growing national debt. Phase in the 65-72 retirement age for people between 45-55. No change for people 55 and older.

Think 1983 and the "Grand Bargain". We need a Reagan and a O'Neill. Can Trump and Pelosi do it?

At last some one sees the light, and it is not bright. :-X And I doubt that Trump and Pelosi have the character and fiber.

While Trump might talk a good talk and walk a good walk the reality is just ugly. I even doubt that Hilary would be able to increase the level of the debt to what Trump is attempting to do. In an odd way V. Putin is doing an end run around what Reagan accomplished by seeing an end to the Soviet Union. Only this time we are doing it to our selves.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 25, 2017, 03:13:49 PM

This is like Twelve Angry Men with me as Henry Fonda and Confederate as Lee J. Cobb.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on May 25, 2017, 03:37:31 PM

Quote from: Ste on May 25, 2017, 03:13:49 PM

This is like Twelve Angry Men with me as Henry Fonda and Confederate as Lee J. Cobb.....

:ROFL:

Maybe more of a Mihalkov's remake of the movie - Свой среди чужих, чужой среди своих, also known as Eastern, or "Borscht Western"... :innocent:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 25, 2017, 06:20:32 PM

Quote from: Ste on May 25, 2017, 03:13:49 PM

This is like Twelve Angry Men with me as Henry Fonda and Confederate as Lee J. Cobb.....

Who's angry? Everyday I smile and often laugh as Trump continues to drive liberals crazy.

Everyday I drink liberal tears and everyday they continue their march towards insanity. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 25, 2017, 06:22:27 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 24, 2017, 11:56:16 AM

Some big players put enormous pressure on Sean Hannity and he backed away from the Seth Rich story. Here's the official rebuttal about it. I don't believe a word of it. :biggrin:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-life-and-death-of-the-seth-rich-conspiracy-theory/ar-BBBtNOF?li=BBnb7Kz

Video about Seth Rich's murder wonders if some RINO's are in on the fix.

https://twitter.com/AlternativViewz/status/867630048773382146

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 25, 2017, 07:41:42 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 25, 2017, 02:53:27 PM

A 2% increase in ss payroll tax (1% by person, 1% by employer) and extending the age of retirement from 65 to 72 for those age 45 and younger will have some serious long term impact on our growing national debt. Phase in the 65-72 retirement age for people between 45-55. No change for people 55 and older.

Lulz. That's already been done. I'm in the 45-55 group and for me, on the leading end of Gen X, it's 67. You 'Boomers can take a giant suck on GenX and GenY's collective wang. The Boom is all about "sacrifice!" and "sharing!"... for everybody else. Time for the Boom to feel some pain, too, in the form of shaving off a few mills, maybe even a full point.

Quote from: shakespear on May 25, 2017, 02:53:27 PM

Think 1983 and the "Grand Bargain". We need a Reagan and a O'Neill. Can Trump and Pelosi do it?

Won't happen. Ad the problem with the 'Grand Bargain' was it allowed the government to raid the trust fund. Should have closed the budget gap then.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on May 25, 2017, 08:28:49 PM

Quote from: B.B. on May 25, 2017, 07:41:42 PM

And the problem with the 'Grand Bargain' was it allowed the government to raid the trust fund.

B/B

My father, an accountant, used to mention that to me often about what he called the "crooked Republicans stealing the Social Security Trust Fund." I asked him what was in the "trust fund?" Was it gold bars? Or stock in various companies? Or was it government printed paper with numbers on it? He didn't know and neither did I. I heard the government prints up bonds for its debt and keeps them in a file cabinet in Delaware. I get the feeling it is all smoke and mirrors.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 26, 2017, 09:28:10 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 25, 2017, 07:41:42 PM

Lulz. That's already been done. I'm in the 45-55 group and for me, on the leading end of Gen X, it's 67. You 'Boomers can take a giant suck on GenX and GenY's collective wang. The Boom is all about "sacrifice!" and "sharing!"... for everybody else. Time for the Boom to feel some pain, too, in the form of shaving off a few mills, maybe even a full point.

B/B

The problem is that the old system hasn't been adjusted for the fact that people now live longer. The system was never intended to pay a person for 25-30+ years of retirement. Maybe instead of 72 we should make it 75?

A raise from the current 6.2% (12.4 for self employed) to 7.0 or 7.2% is completely reasonable.

In 2016 the maximum rate was $118,500. In 2017 they raised it to $127,200 more than twice the annual increase used in the past 25 years. I already paid my extra $527 for this year without complaint. We're already contributing more than our fair share B.B. :P

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 26, 2017, 10:53:33 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 26, 2017, 09:28:10 AM

The problem is that the old system hasn't been adjusted for the fact that people now live longer.

Actually it has, which is why my "full retirement" age is 67 not 65, like for the Boom. And it's older for people younger than me. You just don't know it because the 'Boom hasn't been affected...yet.

Quote from: shakespear on May 26, 2017, 09:28:10 AM

The system was never intended to pay a person for 25-30+ years of retirement. Maybe instead of 72 we should make it 75?

Sure. Let's start with the 'Boom.

Quote from: shakespear on May 26, 2017, 09:28:10 AM

A raise from the current 6.2% (12.4 for self employed) to 7.0 or 7.2% is completely reasonable.

Nope. Too much already. It's also a regressive tax, if you care about such things.

Quote from: shakespear on May 26, 2017, 09:28:10 AM

In 2016 the maximum rate was $118,500. In 2017 they raised it to $127,200 more than twice the annual increase used in the past 25 years. I already paid my extra $527 for this year without complaint. We're already contributing more than our fair share B.B. :P

I hit the cap already, also, but really, it's time for the 'Boom to do more with less.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 26, 2017, 12:07:25 PM

This about sums it up . . . . . . . . . . .

https://www.yahoo.com/news/boehner-trumps-term-disaster-aside-foreign-affairs-151200072--politics.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 26, 2017, 01:38:29 PM

Quote from: B.B. on May 26, 2017, 10:53:33 AM

Nope. Too much already. It's also a regressive tax, if you care about such things.

B/B

Well there is some debate about the regressive nature of the social security withholding. Unlike you and me, over 50% of retirees rely 100% on their social security check to fund their retirement. The system has to survive to make sure these people have a minimal ability to survive.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 26, 2017, 01:58:11 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 26, 2017, 01:38:29 PM

Well there is some debate about the regressive nature of the social security withholding. Unlike you and me, over 50% of retirees rely 100% on their social security check to fund their retirement. The system has to survive to make sure these people have a minimal ability to survive.

Yes, that's the moral hazard. It's pretty easy to want to upgrade from beer to champagne when "someone else" is paying for it.

Personally, in my retirement calculations, I put a "0" in the "SocSec" column, and then take a good deal of comfort in the other columns, which are fully funded by me (plus my employer's match).

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 26, 2017, 02:55:22 PM

Quote from: B.B. on May 26, 2017, 01:58:11 PM

Personally, in my retirement calculations, I put a "0" in the "SocSec" column, and then take a good deal of comfort in the other columns, which are fully funded by me (plus my employer's match).

B/B

I'm sure the government will be happy to comply with your wishes - just write them a letter on your legal letterhead :thumbsup:

Me, I'll happily accept my $2700 a month and use the cash flow from my savings to make a trip to Kiev with you. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on May 27, 2017, 03:28:55 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 25, 2017, 06:22:27 PM

Video about Seth Rich's murder wonders if some RINO's are in on the fix.

Quote

WASHINGTON – Responding to claims that Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser directed the Metropolitan Police Department to stop investigating the murder of DNC staffer Seth Rich, the mayor’s office insisted to WND that Rich was killed in an attempted robbery and police are committed to bring closure to his case.

“This is a robbery that ended tragically. Any homicide in the District of Columbia gets the full attention of the Metropolitan Police Department,” Bowser’s deputy press secretary, Susana Castillo, told WND in statement Friday. “In fact, MPD has a cold case unit that focuses on solving homicides in D.C. no matter how old they are.”

http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/d-c-mayor-of-course-seth-rich-murdered-during-1-of-our-robberies/

Rich's laptop is 'missing' :reading:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 27, 2017, 04:10:18 PM

Quote from: tfcrew on May 27, 2017, 03:28:55 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 25, 2017, 06:22:27 PM
Video about Seth Rich's murder wonders if some RINO's are in on the fix.
Quote
WASHINGTON – Responding to claims that Washington, D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser directed the Metropolitan Police Department to stop investigating the murder of DNC staffer Seth Rich, the mayor’s office insisted to WND that Rich was killed in an attempted robbery and police are committed to bring closure to his case.

“This is a robbery that ended tragically. Any homicide in the District of Columbia gets the full attention of the Metropolitan Police Department,” Bowser’s deputy press secretary, Susana Castillo, told WND in statement Friday. “In fact, MPD has a cold case unit that focuses on solving homicides in D.C. no matter how old they are.”
http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/d-c-mayor-of-course-seth-rich-murdered-during-1-of-our-robberies/

Rich's laptop is 'missing' :reading:

It was not a robbery and they know it. His watch and his wallet were still on his person. It was a revenge killing for him leaking. Podesta admitted as such in an email disclosed by Wikileaks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on May 27, 2017, 04:17:59 PM

Mrs Clinton refers to 'the past presidential election' but then I vaguely understood that she was blubbering something about the Nixon 'impeachment' on 'grounds of obstructing justice'.
I wonder what medications she must be on.
Richard Nixon was never impeached!

This woman had worked on the Nixon impeachment committee [in some capacity] and she blows it anyway.
The only past president that has been impeached for obstructing justice was Bill Clinton.

Quote

Jerry Zeifman, chief counsel of the House Judiciary Committee during the Watergate inquiry, had a low opinion of the young Yale Law graduate Hillary Rodham. But because she reported to the chief counsel of the impeachment inquiry, who was hired separately by the committee and did not report to Zeifman, Zeifman had no authority over her. He simply didn’t hire her for the permanent committee staff after the impeachment inquiry ended. Kessler also notes that Clinton failed the D.C. bar exam in that period. She never retook the exam (passing the Arkansas exam instead) and concealed her failure even from her closest friends until her autobiography in 2003.
And then there’s this:
Zeifman’s specific beef with Clinton is rather obscure. It mostly concerns his dislike of a brief that she wrote under Doar’s direction to advance a position advocated by Rodino — which would have denied Nixon the right to counsel as the committee investigated whether to recommend impeachment.

http://www.cato.org/blog/was-hillary-clinton-fired-nixon-impeachment-inquiry

I think Mrs Clinton is making Freudian slips that even Sigmond himself could never follow ..........tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 27, 2017, 05:05:54 PM

Federal Prosecutor who was investigating voter fraud is found dead.

https://www.local10.com/news/federal-prosecutor-found-dead-on-hollywood-beach-possibly-suffered-head-trauma-

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on May 27, 2017, 07:06:24 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 26, 2017, 09:28:10 AM

The problem is that the old system hasn't been adjusted for the fact that people now live longer. The system was never intended to pay a person for 25-30+ years of retirement. Maybe instead of 72 we should make it 75?

A raise from the current 6.2% (12.4 for self employed) to 7.0 or 7.2% is completely reasonable.

In 2016 the maximum rate was $118,500. In 2017 they raised it to $127,200 more than twice the annual increase used in the past 25 years. I already paid my extra $527 for this year without complaint. We're already contributing more than our fair share B.B. :P

A huge problem is the non working spouse benefit. This is because the none working spouse gets half of what her Husband or working wife gets without paying there fair share. The system need to be if you have a non working wife that will latter collect you need to pay for that. Then she/he collects based on how much the couple paid for her/his retirement. A guy can have several wives that he was not married to long and they each collect. The free lunch system needs to stop but I am sure the liberals will scream bloody murder if any one tries.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 27, 2017, 07:47:16 PM

U.S. to increase number of refugees allowed in, despite Trump's efforts to limit resettlement

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-93428150/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 27, 2017, 09:33:27 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on May 27, 2017, 07:06:24 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 26, 2017, 09:28:10 AM

The problem is that the old system hasn't been adjusted for the fact that people now live longer. The system was never intended to pay a person for 25-30+ years of retirement. Maybe instead of 72 we should make it 75?

A raise from the current 6.2% (12.4 for self employed) to 7.0 or 7.2% is completely reasonable.

In 2016 the maximum rate was $118,500. In 2017 they raised it to $127,200 more than twice the annual increase used in the past 25 years. I already paid my extra $527 for this year without complaint. We're already contributing more than our fair share B.B. :P

A huge problem is the non working spouse benefit. This is because the none working spouse gets half of what her Husband or working wife gets without paying there fair share. The system need to be if you have a non working wife that will latter collect you need to pay for that. Then she/he collects based on how much the couple paid for her/his retirement. A guy can have several wives that he was not married to long and they each collect. The free lunch system needs to stop but I am sure the liberals will scream bloody murder if any one tries.

The (ex)wife must be married for at least 10 years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 29, 2017, 11:45:26 AM

More recent dead bodies in the wake of Hillary Clinton and Debbie Wasserman Shultz.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA8W2jWV0AA4siY.jpg)

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/beranton-whisenant-jr-federal-prosecutor-found-dead-on-florida-beach/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 29, 2017, 03:57:10 PM

I'm so glad that we don't have to suffer from a Clinton presidency. Hopefully her health issues will not allow for another run for president.

Hillary Clinton Dazzles Memorial Day Crowds With Her Favorite Anti-Seizure Glasses

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/hillary-clinton-dazzles-memorial-day-crowds-her-favorite-anti-seizure-glasses/ri19988

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 29, 2017, 08:39:55 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 29, 2017, 03:57:10 PM

I'm so glad that we don't have to suffer from a Clinton presidency. Hopefully her health issues will not allow for another run for president.

I dunno. She is sucking up all the oxygen in the room from the other Dems, and if there's an ugly primary fight, I'm fine with that.

Plus she's already a proven loser.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 29, 2017, 08:59:00 PM

Kim DotCom approaches special Counsel in the Russia investigation and offers to testify.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1705/S00469/kim-dotcom-approaches-special-counsel.htm

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 29, 2017, 09:02:31 PM

Quote from: B.B. on May 29, 2017, 08:39:55 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 29, 2017, 03:57:10 PM
I'm so glad that we don't have to suffer from a Clinton presidency. Hopefully her health issues will not allow for another run for president.

I dunno. She is sucking up all the oxygen in the room from the other Dems, and if there's an ugly primary fight, I'm fine with that.

Plus she's already a proven loser.

B/B

She seems to have Parkinson's disease. I don't know what the lifespan is of a person who has that but I hope she's too far gone to participate anymore.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on May 30, 2017, 01:19:14 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 29, 2017, 09:02:31 PM

She seems to have Parkinson's disease. I don't know what the lifespan is of a person who has that but I hope she's too far gone to participate anymore.

Michael J Fox seems to be a good example. He was diagnosed in 1990 and still lives.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 30, 2017, 11:31:27 AM

Warmonger, job exporter and loser octogenarian John McCain continues
to undermine Trump at home and abroad.

Senator speaks about future of U.S.-Asian ties in Sydney
U.S. withdrawal from the Trans Pacific Partnership a ‘mistake’

read all about it here
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-30/mccain-says-trump-s-actions-have-unsettled-allies-and-americans

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 30, 2017, 01:15:17 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 30, 2017, 11:31:27 AM

Warmonger, job exporter and loser octogenarian John McCain continues
to undermine Trump at home and abroad.

So how do you really feel about Senator McCain? About the same as I do. tiphat
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 30, 2017, 03:29:40 PM

Wanna be comedian Kathy Griffin disrespected President Trump by taking a photo of a Trump wax head all bloody.

Far scarier than that photo though is this one. :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBGsm__UAAA_XYO.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 30, 2017, 05:20:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 30, 2017, 01:15:17 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 30, 2017, 11:31:27 AM
Warmonger, job exporter and loser octogenarian John McCain continues
to undermine Trump at home and abroad.

So how do you really feel about Senator McCain? About the same as I do. tiphat
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Experts Agree: World Would Be Better Place If John McCain's Mouth Was Stapled Shut

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/experts-agree-world-would-be-better-place-if-john-mccains-mouth-was-stapled-shut/ri19990

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 30, 2017, 08:30:50 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 30, 2017, 05:20:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 30, 2017, 01:15:17 PM
Quote from: Popka! on May 30, 2017, 11:31:27 AM
Warmonger, job exporter and loser octogenarian John McCain continues
to undermine Trump at home and abroad.

So how do you really feel about Senator McCain? About the same as I do. tiphat
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Experts Agree: World Would Be Better Place If John McCain's Mouth Was Stapled Shut

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/experts-agree-world-would-be-better-place-if-john-mccains-mouth-was-stapled-shut/ri19990

This is pretty close to stapling his mouth shut, LOL! :laugh:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBHxgYjXkAQLcPG.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 31, 2017, 09:28:10 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 30, 2017, 03:29:40 PM

Wanna be comedian Kathy Griffin disrespected President Trump by taking a photo of a Trump wax head all bloody.

Far scarier than that photo though is this one. :laugh:

Kathy Griffin, American ISIS. :chuckle:

While I am no fan of KG (unless we're talking Kevin Garnett) she is 56 and that photo was evidently taken while she was out jogging. Sure, she's a bitter hatchet face, but fair is fair.

I also respect that her apology was "I am sorry. I went too far. I was wrong" instead of being what I used to call the "90s apology", i.e. "If anyone was offended..."

Of course if this had been Chuck Woolery with Obama, the Left would have gone BERSERK.

B/B

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 31, 2017, 10:49:35 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 30, 2017, 03:29:40 PM

Wanna be comedian Kathy Griffin disrespected President Trump by taking a photo of a Trump wax head all bloody.

Far scarier than that photo though is this one. :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBGsm__UAAA_XYO.jpg)

Has anyone seen Kathy Griffin and Carrottop side by side? are they the same
person?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjA3MTIwMjY1Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwMjkyNzk0._V1_UY1200_CR85,0,630,1200_AL_.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 31, 2017, 11:06:50 AM

Quote from: Popka! on May 31, 2017, 10:49:35 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 30, 2017, 03:29:40 PM
Wanna be comedian Kathy Griffin disrespected President Trump by taking a photo of a Trump wax head all bloody.

Far scarier than that photo though is this one. :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBGsm__UAAA_XYO.jpg)

Has anyone seen Kathy Griffin and Carrottop side by side? are they the same
person?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMjA3MTIwMjY1Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwMjkyNzk0._V1_UY1200_CR85,0,630,1200_AL_.jpg)

Ha Ha! I can assure you they're not the same person. I met Carrot Top at a gym in Las Vegas as well I've seen his live show which was hilarious.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 31, 2017, 11:18:12 AM

President Trump is really upset about the negative press covfefe. He may need some of this. :chuckle:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBIZeVCV0AU4qYl.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 31, 2017, 11:19:56 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 31, 2017, 09:28:10 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 30, 2017, 03:29:40 PM
Wanna be comedian Kathy Griffin disrespected President Trump by taking a photo of a Trump wax head all bloody.

Far scarier than that photo though is this one. :laugh:

Kathy Griffin, American ISIS. :chuckle:

While I am no fan of KG (unless we're talking Kevin Garnett) she is 56 and that photo was evidently taken while she was out jogging. Sure, she's a bitter hatchet face, but fair is fair.

I also respect that her apology was "I am sorry. I went too far. I was wrong" instead of being what I used to call the "90s apology", i.e. "If anyone was offended..."

Of course if this had been Chuck Woolery with Obama, the Left would have gone BERSERK.
B/B

Speaking of Chuck Woolery, the left sort of did go berserk. :laugh:

https://twitter.com/chuckwoolery/status/869284650665037824

This one I especially liked. ;D ;D ;D

https://twitter.com/chuckwoolery/status/869629122120736769

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 31, 2017, 11:51:31 AM

CNN announces that they've severed ties to Kathy Griffin. :chuckle:

Meanwhile McDonald's says they need a new transgendered Ronald McDonald. :laugh:

https://twitter.com/shhBec/status/869710880707051521

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 31, 2017, 11:56:34 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 31, 2017, 09:28:10 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 30, 2017, 03:29:40 PM
Wanna be comedian Kathy Griffin disrespected President Trump by taking a photo of a Trump wax head all bloody.

Far scarier than that photo though is this one. :laugh:

Kathy Griffin, American ISIS. :chuckle:

While I am no fan of KG (unless we're talking Kevin Garnett) she is 56 and that photo was evidently taken while she was out jogging. Sure, she's a bitter hatchet face, but fair is fair.

I also respect that her apology was "I am sorry. I went too far. I was wrong" instead of being what I used to call the "90s apology", i.e. "If anyone was offended..."

Of course if this had been Chuck Woolery with Obama, the Left would have gone BERSERK.

B/B

I like the classy reaction from First Lady Melania Trump.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBKrvfaU0AAQFMs.jpg)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 31, 2017, 12:23:13 PM

So far you all avoided my rant on Kaep. You can skip over it and continue
with the thread.

The liberal sports media continues to cry about Colin Kaepernick's
inability to find a job in the NFL. An NFL player/personnel executive
has to weigh the pluses and the minuses of a player. His skills subtracting
his PIA factor (pain in the ass). When Barry Bonds skills diminished he could
have been a DH somewhere but he wasn't because he had a high PIA factor.
Terrell Owens same story. JaMarcus Russell had some grape drank and was
cut, never getting another chance in the NFL. His PIA exceeded his potential
so he was done.

Colin Kaepernick

1. He knelt
2. He wore piggy socks
3. He praised Castro
4. He didn't even vote
5. He had diminished skills
6. He was on a team that desperately needed a QB any kind of QB that
actually had a bit of a fan base for him and he bought himself out of a
contract. Kaepernick restructured the deal the 49ers gave him when
they were convinced he was the franchise quarterback. He gave up
$14.5 million in injury guarantees for the ability to opt out of his
deal at the end of the year.
7. He is viewed as a backup as best. Who wants controversy from their
backup QB?

The press can cry until their little eyes are as red as their baby diapers
but I think Kaep is done. I wouldn't take a flyer on him. I would have
given Barry Bonds a shot at a DH spot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 31, 2017, 12:34:56 PM

Quote from: Popka! on May 31, 2017, 12:23:13 PM

So far you all avoided my rant on Kaep. You can skip over it and continue
with the thread.

The liberal sports media continues to cry about Colin Kaepernick's
inability to find a job in the NFL. An NFL player/personnel executive
has to weigh the pluses and the minuses of a player. His skills subtracting
his PIA factor (pain in the ass). When Barry Bonds skills diminished he could
have been a DH somewhere but he wasn't because he had a high PIA factor.
Terrell Owens same story. JaMarcus Russell had some grape drank and was
cut, never getting another chance in the NFL. His PIA exceeded his potential
so he was done.

Colin Kaepernick

1. He knelt
2. He wore piggy socks
3. He praised Castro
4. He didn't even vote
5. He had diminished skills
6. He was on a team that desperately needed a QB any kind of QB that
actually had a bit of a fan base for him and he bought himself out of a
contract. Kaepernick restructured the deal the 49ers gave him when
they were convinced he was the franchise quarterback. He gave up
$14.5 million in injury guarantees for the ability to opt out of his
deal at the end of the year.
7. He is viewed as a backup as best. Who wants controversy from their
backup QB?

The press can cry until their little eyes are as red as their baby diapers
but I think Kaep is done. I wouldn't take a flyer on him. I would have
given Barry Bonds a shot at a DH spot.

Kaepernick? Ungrateful jerk who will likely never play again. Sad to see a talented guy go out that way but he made his own bed and now has to sleep in it. Imagine all the talented people in the World but not lucky enough to be born in the USA. Then just imagine this loser. Good riddance. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 31, 2017, 04:26:51 PM

This website was shutdown within minutes of saying they were going to break a Seth Rich story. When Seth Rich was the leak and not Russia, it destroys the Russia collusion story.

https://twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/867954389180325888

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 31, 2017, 07:45:39 PM

Despite the liberals doing everything possible to slow progress, Trump continues to fulfill his campaign promises!

Trump hails deals worth 'billions' with Vietnam

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN18R30C

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 31, 2017, 07:53:59 PM

Anti-Russia spin pushed by those who lost US election & can't face reality – Putin to Le Figaro

https://www.rt.com/news/390253-putin-us-election-trump-russia/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 31, 2017, 08:06:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 31, 2017, 07:45:39 PM

Despite the liberals doing everything possible to slow progress, Trump continues to fulfill his campaign promises!

Trump hails deals worth 'billions' with Vietnam

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN18R30C

The "msm" channel I watched this evening didn't even cover this.

I wonder why not? I had no idea he had a meeting with a Vietnamese leader.

But happy he's on the job and getting things done! :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on June 01, 2017, 05:11:52 AM

Trump is making progress but the Dem have kept much of the important stuff from getting thru. The stock market is beginning to show this as the Trump rally is now slowing and the dollar is losing some of it value. If we can not solve our bloated health care cost and pass tax cuts it likely will not look good for long.

The stock market generated an official Hindenburg Omen potential stock market crash signal Wednesday, May 31st. It triggered the second H.O. observation within a thirty-day period, which means we are now on the clock through September 30th, 2017 for a possible stock market crash, and are at high risk of a significant stock market decline even if a crash does not occur. Here is the key point: Over the past thirty years, there has not been a stock market crash without a Hindenburg Omen being on the clock. We have an article in our Guest Articles section at McHugh's www.technicalindicatorindex.com that explains the theory and history of past Hindenburg Omens. This is fascinating as the timing fits what patterns are warning is coming to the stock market later in 2017.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on June 01, 2017, 05:48:24 AM

Trump certainly is making progress I agree. Unfortunately it's progress though the contents of the Whitehouse wine cellar judging by his Midnight Tweets.

Nice bottle of Covfefe, Mr Trump?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 01, 2017, 08:50:44 AM

Quote from: Ste on June 01, 2017, 05:48:24 AM

Trump certainly is making progress I agree. Unfortunately it's progress though the contents of the Whitehouse wine cellar judging by his Midnight Tweets.

Nice bottle of Covfefe, Mr Trump?

Jealous? It's okay, you've got company. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 01, 2017, 09:00:45 AM

Quote from: Ste on June 01, 2017, 05:48:24 AM

Trump certainly is making progress I agree. Unfortunately it's progress though the contents of the Whitehouse wine cellar judging by his Midnight Tweets.

Nice bottle of Covfefe, Mr Trump?

Trump is not a drinker.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on June 01, 2017, 09:05:47 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 01, 2017, 09:00:45 AM

Quote from: Ste on June 01, 2017, 05:48:24 AM
Trump certainly is making progress I agree. Unfortunately it's progress though the contents of the Whitehouse wine cellar judging by his Midnight Tweets.

Nice bottle of Covfefe, Mr Trump?

Trump is not a drinker.

Yeah but as he has dementure he can't remember if he's had a drink or not...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on June 01, 2017, 09:18:02 AM

Quote from: Ste on June 01, 2017, 09:05:47 AM

Yeah but as he has dementure he can't remember if he's had a drink or not...

Dementure? Is that when you forget to put your dentures in?

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on June 01, 2017, 09:24:15 AM

Quote from: B.B. on June 01, 2017, 09:18:02 AM

Quote from: Ste on June 01, 2017, 09:05:47 AM
Yeah but as he has dementure he can't remember if he's had a drink or not...

Dementure? Is that when you forget to put your dentures in?

B/B

Spellcheck kept putting debenture instead of dementia and I got annoyed with it.

Of course over here the tories plan to introduce a dementia tax as part of their caring in society manifesto.

Basically, you pay your national insurance for 50/odd years, need looking after when old and infirm so they pay for that by selling your house.

Real vote winner...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 01, 2017, 09:41:03 AM

Trump: 'Big Story' on Obama Admin About 'Unmasking and Surveillance

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/793495?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1734178_06012017&s=al&dkt_nbr=yzcdh2jo&section=Newsfront&keywords=donald-trump-twitter-big-story-michael-flynn-michael-cohen&year=2017&month=06&date=01&id=793495&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: tfcrew on June 01, 2017, 10:02:10 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 01, 2017, 09:00:45 AM

Quote from: Ste on June 01, 2017, 05:48:24 AM
Trump certainly is making progress I agree. Unfortunately it's progress though the contents of the Whitehouse wine cellar judging by his Midnight Tweets.

Nice bottle of Covfefe, Mr Trump?

Trump is not a drinker.

Covfefe is a very intoxicating non alcoholic beverage :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 01, 2017, 11:33:11 AM

It looks as though, from the context, that he meant to write 'coverage'. Dunno why it was not corrected, but then I know that I have missed autocorrect errors before now.

Leaving it up for a while was a genius move though. Unintentionally(?) he has created a distraction for the chatterers and noisemakers and that's not a bad thing. Sensible people don't see any problem and idiots, as usual, self identify by the brainless fuss they make.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 01, 2017, 11:39:45 AM

If Trump doesn't repudiate the Paris Agreement today at 3pm I'll be done with him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 01, 2017, 11:54:20 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 01, 2017, 11:39:45 AM

If Trump doesn't repudiate the Paris Agreement today at 3pm I'll be done with him.

What? I don't recall you saying that before as being a deal breaker. The only deal breaker I recall was you wanted a Conservative for the Supreme Court and you got it.

I also hope he cancels the Paris Agreement because I see it as a scam.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 01, 2017, 11:57:35 AM

Quote from: tfcrew on June 01, 2017, 10:02:10 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 01, 2017, 09:00:45 AM
Quote from: Ste on June 01, 2017, 05:48:24 AM
Trump certainly is making progress I agree. Unfortunately it's progress though the contents of the Whitehouse wine cellar judging by his Midnight Tweets.

Nice bottle of Covfefe, Mr Trump?

Trump is not a drinker.

Covfefe is a very intoxicating non alcoholic beverage :coffeeread:

Covfefe is a secret state of mind. How to get inside an opponents head. Like this.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAtxsd3XoAAYjut.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 01, 2017, 12:07:21 PM

Always be able to leave the table.

In this case it is the only way to get an agreement that suits the US and it is a thing that is better in than out.

Here's a truth that many don't know: whether or not anthropogenic climate change is a reality proceeding from the perspective that it is tends to lead to less waste, greater efficiency and thus in the longer term lower costs.

If the US drops out then, over time, it'd technology and manufacture will become even less competitive.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 01, 2017, 12:15:54 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 01, 2017, 12:07:21 PM

Always be able to leave the table.

In this case it is the only way to get an agreement that suits the US and it is a thing that is better in than out.

Here's a truth that many don't know: whether or not anthropogenic climate change is a reality proceeding from the perspective that it is tends to lead to less waste, greater efficiency and thus in the longer term lower costs.

If the US drops out then, over time, it'd technology and manufacture will become even less competitive.

Fifi, you're missing the whole genius of a free market economy.

If something provides the same service and at lesser cost, it will be developed -

Capitalists don't need an agreement to figure that out.

What the Paris Agreement does is PENALIZE the use of fossil fuels BY THE USA ONLY to the extent they are the same or lesser cost than the recognized "environmentally friendly" sources of power. And that will cripple our economy.

Global warming is a myth. Obama overstepped his Constitutional authority by signing it without ratifying it with by 2/3 majority of the US Senate. The time to leave the table is now before the mandatory fees and surcharges for using fossil fuels take effect.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 01, 2017, 12:33:43 PM

You forget something. The effect of incentives.

OK, is a big subject, but you might want to look up about the pulp processing industry in the USA as compared to Finland to gain a flavour of the impact of not having incentives to to become efficient.

You see, you, and many others, don't know that many inputs to 'dirty' industry are priced as though they were limitless and free. That's a misallocation of resources. The Paris accords, at their heart, strive to set a pricing mechanism through incentivisation.

Absent those incentives then the Finnish pulp industry example will be written large across the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 01, 2017, 01:19:10 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 01, 2017, 12:33:43 PM

You forget something. The effect of incentives.

The costs of the "incentives" worldwide are being borne 100% by the USA.

No way is that a "fair deal"

Again, Obama overstepped his Constitutional authority by ratifying a "treaty" without 2/3 "advice and consent"of the US Senate.

We need to GET OUT now and perhaps negotiate a better deal that distributes the pain of transition more equally.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 01, 2017, 01:44:02 PM

Trump did the right thing.

He just saved the American taxpayer $3 billion by refusing to make the Green Climate Fund contribution.

He also saved $861 million by refusing to make Developing Nation Grants

Both required by the Paris Treaty.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 01, 2017, 02:12:22 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 01, 2017, 01:44:02 PM

Trump did the right thing.

He just saved the American taxpayer $3 billion by refusing to make the Green Climate Fund contribution.

He also saved $861 million by refusing to make Developing Nation Grants

Both required by the Paris Treaty.

I'm glad that you're still on the Trump train. What would we do without you?

I especially like what Anne Coulter had to say about this situation. :ROFL:

"Trump's decision on Paris accord has lefties everywhere shitting bricks.
Now if they could just sh*t some rebar, we could build the wall!"

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/870364567737700356

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 01, 2017, 02:47:06 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBJPKk8XUAUoGsj.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 01, 2017, 02:49:08 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAO3sd4VoAA0GoY.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 01, 2017, 05:04:48 PM

Given what Trump has been up against since taking office, he has made great progress in the first steps to pointing the United states towards a better direction.
The liberal media likes to publish what it can about the negative, but if one is to read about the accomplishment published in other media sources, Trump has out preformed thus far.

Given a fair chance he will most likely be one of the greatest presidents of all time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 01, 2017, 06:00:31 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 01, 2017, 05:04:48 PM

Given what Trump has been up against since taking office, he has made great progress in the first steps to pointing the United states towards a better direction.
The liberal media likes to publish what it can about the negative, but if one is to read about the accomplishment published in other media sources, Trump has out preformed thus far.

Given a fair chance he will most likely be one of the greatest presidents of all time.

Out performed. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 01, 2017, 06:07:16 PM

Trump says he was elected to represent Pittsburgh, not Paris.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/national/trump-i-was-elected-to-represent-the-citizens-of-pittsburgh-not-paris/2017/06/01/11007d80-4707-11e7-8de1-cec59a9bf4b1_video.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 01, 2017, 08:07:15 PM

Nigel Farage 'doubts' FBI Trump probe claim

1 June 2017
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-40122179

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 02, 2017, 12:33:51 AM

Quote from: tfcrew on June 01, 2017, 10:02:10 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 01, 2017, 09:00:45 AM
Quote from: Ste on June 01, 2017, 05:48:24 AM
Trump certainly is making progress I agree. Unfortunately it's progress though the contents of the Whitehouse wine cellar judging by his Midnight Tweets.

Nice bottle of Covfefe, Mr Trump?

Trump is not a drinker.

Covfefe is a very intoxicating non alcoholic beverage :coffeeread:

Recipe almost 100 years old for making covfefe:

Take a newspaper./Take some scissors./Choose from this paper an article the length you want to make your poem./Cut out the article. / Next carefully cut out each of the words that make up this article and put them all in a bag. / Shake gently. / Next take out each cutting one after the other. / Copy conscientiously in the order in which they left the bag. / The poem will resemble you. / And there you are—an infinitely original author of charming sensibility, even though unappreciated by the vulgar herd.

Dadaist poet Tristan Tzara 1920

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on June 02, 2017, 01:42:27 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 01, 2017, 05:04:48 PM

Given a fair chance he will most likely be one of the greatest presidents of all time.

Checks calendar....

Not 1st April......

Hmmmm

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 02, 2017, 07:44:47 AM

Well he's having a great week -

1) repudiating the ridiculous and illegally ratificed Paris Accords

2) going directly to the Supreme Court for an expedited opinion on his travel ban

Title: President Trump
Post by: Ste on June 02, 2017, 08:51:54 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 02, 2017, 07:44:47 AM

Well he's having a great week -

1) repudiating the ridiculous and illegally ratificed Paris Accords

2) going directly to the Supreme Court for an expedited opinion on his travel ban

Edit: Can't do vid link on Tapatalk waiting for plane to take off....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 02, 2017, 10:07:57 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 02, 2017, 07:44:47 AM

Well he's having a great week -

1) repudiating the ridiculous and illegally ratificed Paris Accords

2) going directly to the Supreme Court for an expedited opinion on his travel ban

If his next step were to pull the USA out of NATO I would be fine with that as well.
They're not going to pay up; that's all talk and no action.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBU7wCuUIAQlUfO.jpg)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 02, 2017, 12:03:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 02, 2017, 07:44:47 AM

Well he's having a great week -

1) repudiating the ridiculous and illegally ratified Paris Accords

2) going directly to the Supreme Court for an expedited opinion on his travel ban

Obama never got the treaty ratified, therefore it has/had no legal status in or
with the USA. That's the process, that's how it's been since March 4 1789,
since that was the date agreed that government under the U.S. Constitution
would begin.

The Europeans and others can stop whining about a deal that wasn't valid.
They all know the process on how to make legal treaties with the USA.

The Paris Agreement Is a Treaty. Treat It as Such.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/448156/paris-agreement-treaty-requiring-two-thirds-senate-vote

Trump administration petitions Supreme Court to hear travel ban case
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-administration-petitions-supreme-court-to-hear-travel-ban-case/article/2624765

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on June 02, 2017, 12:32:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 02, 2017, 07:44:47 AM

Well he's having a great week -

1) repudiating the ridiculous and illegally ratificed Paris Accords

2) going directly to the Supreme Court for an expedited opinion on his travel ban

1 is actually a misstake. But bigger is allowing emerging economies such as india and china so much wiggle room

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 02, 2017, 03:36:54 PM

Quote from: Popka! on June 02, 2017, 12:03:41 PM

Obama never got the treaty ratified, therefore it has/had no legal status in or
with the USA. That's the process, that's how it's been since March 4 1789,
since that was the date agreed that government under the U.S. Constitution
would begin.

See "UN Treaty on Treaties" by taking steps to abide by the conditions of the treaty, we have inherently agreed to the treaty. Or so Obama claims.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 02, 2017, 07:55:29 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 02, 2017, 03:36:54 PM

Quote from: Popka! on June 02, 2017, 12:03:41 PM

Obama never got the treaty ratified, therefore it has/had no legal status in or
with the USA. That's the process, that's how it's been since March 4 1789,
since that was the date agreed that government under the U.S. Constitution
would begin.

See "UN Treaty on Treaties" by taking steps to abide by the conditions of the treaty, we have inherently agreed to the treaty. Or so Obama claims.

Who?

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 02, 2017, 08:09:42 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 02, 2017, 03:36:54 PM

See "UN Treaty on Treaties" by taking steps to abide by the conditions of the treaty, we have inherently agreed to the treaty. Or so Obama claims.

The US constitution is the law of the land, regardless of whatever an
Ex-President may say to the contrary. The Vienna Convention on treaties
wasn't ratified by the US Senate either. So while it's a nice thing, it has no
binding or legal authority as far as the USA is concerned.

US Constitution Article II Section 2
He (the president) shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent
of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators
present concur

Whoops, he skipped the bold part, the treaty wasn't ratified and
Trump can use it as toilet paper or to train a puppy if he so wishes.
Nobody in the USA is compelled to recognize, comply or do anything
that the treaty says. Obama's fancy piece of paper has no legal standing
especially since Trump said so.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 02, 2017, 11:27:49 PM

Quote from: Popka! on June 02, 2017, 08:09:42 PM

Whoops, he skipped the bold part, the treaty wasn't ratified and
Trump can use it as toilet paper or to train a puppy if he so wishes.

(https://cdn.expansion.mx/dims4/default/70a823e/2147483647/crop/778x438%2B11%2B0/resize/850x478%5E/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.expansion.mx%2F17%2F7b%2F7ec52d5d4c79a17f36bebd494982%2Fpapel-trump-cortesia.jpg)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 03, 2017, 04:01:33 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 02, 2017, 11:27:49 PM

Quote from: Popka! on June 02, 2017, 08:09:42 PM
Whoops, he skipped the bold part, the treaty wasn't ratified and
Trump can use it as toilet paper or to train a puppy if he so wishes.

(https://cdn.expansion.mx/dims4/default/70a823e/2147483647/crop/778x438%2B11%2B0/resize/850x478%5E/quality/75/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.expansion.mx%2F17%2F7b%2F7ec52d5d4c79a17f36bebd494982%2Fpapel-trump-cortesia.jpg)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Very good Wiz :BEER:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: el_guero on June 05, 2017, 03:06:37 PM

Quote from: Markje on June 02, 2017, 12:32:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 02, 2017, 07:44:47 AM
Well he's having a great week -

1) repudiating the ridiculous and illegally ratificed Paris Accords

2) going directly to the Supreme Court for an expedited opinion on his travel ban

1 is actually a misstake. But bigger is allowing emerging economies such as india and china so much wiggle room

The Paris Accords, and many other treaties, is a Tax upon richer countries, so poor governments have more tax money to waste.

IMHO, YMMV.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on June 05, 2017, 04:44:07 PM

Quote from: el_guero on June 05, 2017, 03:06:37 PM

Quote from: Markje on June 02, 2017, 12:32:02 PM
Quote from: shakespear on June 02, 2017, 07:44:47 AM
Well he's having a great week -

1) repudiating the ridiculous and illegally ratificed Paris Accords

2) going directly to the Supreme Court for an expedited opinion on his travel ban

1 is actually a misstake. But bigger is allowing emerging economies such as india and china so much wiggle room

The Paris Accords, and many other treaties, is a Tax upon richer countries, so poor governments have more tax money to waste.

IMHO, YMMV.

No their not. The Paris accords are for a better planet. They should actually man up and let China/India do their part as well instead of 'buying off' their pollution. Thats the only bad paragraph in its entirety.

If planet earth is a ship thats sinking, we need to be taking out the water together, not let the USA stand by and do nothing. And fer god sakes, take the hatchet away from China/India they're making the problem worse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 05, 2017, 05:17:18 PM

The United state's is working very relentlessly on environmental friendly issues. In many ways the environment is in much better condition than it was 20 years ago.
With new technologies coal and fossil fuels burn much cleaner and have less of an environmental impact than in the past.
Trump made a good decision.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: el_guero on June 05, 2017, 06:01:24 PM

Quote from: Markje on June 05, 2017, 04:44:07 PM

Quote from: el_guero on June 05, 2017, 03:06:37 PM
Quote from: Markje on June 02, 2017, 12:32:02 PM
Quote from: shakespear on June 02, 2017, 07:44:47 AM
Well he's having a great week -

1) repudiating the ridiculous and illegally ratificed Paris Accords

2) going directly to the Supreme Court for an expedited opinion on his travel ban

1 is actually a misstake. But bigger is allowing emerging economies such as india and china so much wiggle room

The Paris Accords, and many other treaties, is a Tax upon richer countries, so poor governments have more tax money to waste.

IMHO, YMMV.
No their not. The Paris accords are for a better planet. They should actually man up and let China/India do their part as well instead of 'buying off' their pollution. Thats the only bad paragraph in its entirety.

If planet earth is a ship thats sinking, we need to be taking out the water together, not let the USA stand by and do nothing. And fer god sakes, take the hatchet away from China/India they're making the problem worse.

If there is any truth to AGW, you can answer 3 questions for me:

1. Why are many planet sized objects in our solar system experiencing AGW?

2. If Al Gore believed in AGW, WHY did he focus (and get rich) selling it to Americans (15% of the world economy) instead of to China, the rest of SE Asia, and the other 85% of the world economy, and most of the world's pollution?

3. Why did Clinton send all those jobs to Asia AND cause the HUGE CO2 output from Asia? They pollute 5x the CO2 per product made compared to US. AND Americans would have jobs.

1: Mars, Pluto, Jupiter’s moon Triton and Earth – all showing signs of climate change? Has the entire global warming canard been a case of not seeing the forest for the tree rings (of one tree)? (http://Mars, Pluto, Jupiter’s moon Triton and Earth – all showing signs of climate change? Has the entire global warming canard been a case of not seeing the forest for the tree rings (of one tree)?)

3: 2011 http://www.wri.org/sites/default/files/uploads/top_10_emitters.png (http://www.wri.org/sites/default/files/uploads/top_10_emitters.png) compared to 1994

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In 1994, Asia’s gross domestic product became the largest in the world. Interestingly, though, Asia became the largest emitter of CO₂ one year before—in 1993—largely due to rapid economic growth in China. from: https://wri.org/blog/2014/05/history-carbon-dioxide-emissions (https://wri.org/blog/2014/05/history-carbon-dioxide-emissions)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: el_guero on June 05, 2017, 06:03:17 PM

Before anyone thinks I am a 'denier', let me point out, I just look at facts. And the facts point at some rich Liberals getting FILTHY stinking rich. And the rest of US losing money on these deals.

I WANT a cleaner planet, I just want an honest method to get US there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 05, 2017, 11:20:01 PM

Not sure if this is for real or not but I like it. :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBmc-rlVYAIHWML.jpg:large)

source:
https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2017/05/31/cuvfefe-mystery-solved/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 05, 2017, 11:53:26 PM

https://twitter.com/KORANISBURNING/status/871509812508594176

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on June 06, 2017, 02:25:53 AM

Quote from: el_guero on June 05, 2017, 06:01:24 PM

If there is any truth to AGW, you can answer 3 questions for me:

1. Why are many planet sized objects in our solar system experiencing AGW?

If its man-made or not, is irrelevant. Global warming is here and its bad for humans worldwide, ergo we should combat its effects and try to resolve it.

Quote from: el_guero on June 05, 2017, 06:01:24 PM

2. If Al Gore believed in AGW, WHY did he focus (and get rich) selling it to Americans (15% of the world economy) instead of to China, the rest of SE Asia, and the other 85% of the world economy, and most of the world's pollution?

Bunch of money-makers that think money is better than fighting global warming, see my message that you quoted. China and all the other polluters should also man-up and start reversing the pollution.

Quote from: el_guero on June 05, 2017, 06:01:24 PM

3. Why did Clinton send all those jobs to Asia AND cause the HUGE CO2 output from Asia? They pollute 5x the CO2 per product made compared to US. AND Americans would have jobs.

Has the entire global warming canard been a case of not seeing the forest for the tree rings (of one tree)?[/url]

Global warming is not a canard, it is here. There's LAND on antartica for crying out loud.
The ice has dissapeared and revealed moss growing there. The last time I could go ice-skating in the Netherlands on naturally formed ice was when I was 12, which is over 3 decades ago.
Skiing in Belgium is all but dead. Only the Belgians want to try.

And whether it is man made or not, is simply not important. Bad for humans, so humans should fight this or die trying (or they will die anyway, when the earths climate becomes un-inhabitable)

And how bad is this in china anyway, nice food for thought from Chinese reporters (with english subtitles). Its a long watch, over 1 hour 30 minutes but well worth your time if you take your life & health seriously:

Mark.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on June 06, 2017, 02:29:46 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/aynABv6.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on June 06, 2017, 03:47:48 AM

Quote from: Markje on June 06, 2017, 02:25:53 AM

And how bad is this in china anyway, nice food for thought from Chinese reporters (with english subtitles). Its a long watch, over 1 hour 30 minutes but well worth your time if you take your life & health seriously:

Markje, it's worth watching, it's an outstanding documentary. I lived in China, so i am familiar with the topic. I am also familiar with the system in China. What she says, the journalist, that individuals (thousands of them) should take a stand - that's possible in a Western democracy, not in China. The documentary itself was banned (i think) merely a week since it was released. If individuals took a stand, the interest lobby that dubs themselves "the party" would crash them in an eyeblink, like they crashed Falun Gong supporters (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong ), student demonstrations in '89 before that, Tibetan Buddhist believers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panchen_Lama ) and everyone else they deemed as jeopardizing their financial interests.
I think that situation could be only influenced by foreign pressure on their government. How realistic is that is questionable.
Which is... The documentary itself is believed to be financed from foreign sources, as well as the journalist's stay in the USA, where she gave birth, alas (the financial support was ) not for the right reasons. There was pressure on Chinese gvmnt, but for motives other than the health of general population. Also, the initial short-lasted support the movie gained was because it was useful to crash a competing interest group within China, like they do from time to time - clan wars, nothing more/ it was the case against National Petroleum Corporation.
The problem is even deeper than the pollution.
This content is very disturbing:

It is real. Later on, on national news they offered an excuse - like, people were afraid to intervene, so not to get sued by parents of the little girl. China is not USA, you won't get sued for helping someone, it's a lie. You know why i knew immediately this video was not fake?
I had witnessed a pedestrian being hit by a car during the day, in front of the main gate of my Bejing uni. The car didn't stop, neither did people who were passing by, except for couple of foreign students who didn't know how to help (we had just arrived and barely spoke the language. My country didn't have an Embassy there at the time, i didn't even have a mobile, it was long ago. That's beside the point, my point is that noone of the locals even looked at the guy, he died there on the spot.)
I am not a fan of Tony Parson's books, except for this one: My favorite wife http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2553561.My_Favourite_Wife
Parsons normally writes kind of low-brow, commercial stuff. It sells well too. This book is an exception. He invested a lot of time into research and had been writing it for two years. He lamented later on he'll never repeat the experience because the book didn't sell (literature usually doesn't)... The thing is that it's probably the best available insider's insight into contemporary China. It's cruel, greatly written, heartbreaking and well worth the read.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 06, 2017, 05:48:11 AM

Quote from: Markje on June 06, 2017, 02:25:53 AM

. . .The last time I could go ice-skating in the Netherlands on naturally formed ice was when I was 12, which is over 3 decades ago.

Skiing in Belgium is all but dead. Only the Belgians want to try. . . .

Mark.

The last Elfstedentocht was in 1997 and there was nearly another one in 2012. I want to say in the same year I was slip sliding with all the grace that I have on the ice in the Vondel Park.

As for skiing in The Ardennes, you can always go to Southern New England or Scotland! For the last couple of years there has been good skiing around Winterberg in Germany.

But Global Warming is real and it is a pity that The United States and other governments do not man up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on June 06, 2017, 07:32:55 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on June 06, 2017, 05:48:11 AM

Quote from: Markje on June 06, 2017, 02:25:53 AM

. . .The last time I could go ice-skating in the Netherlands on naturally formed ice was when I was 12, which is over 3 decades ago.

Skiing in Belgium is all but dead. Only the Belgians want to try. . . .

Mark.

The last Elfstedentocht was in 1997 and there was nearly another one in 2012. I want to say in the same year I was slip sliding with all the grace that I have on the ice in the Vondel Park.

1997 is 2 decades ago, and if im not misstaken, it contained lots of 'kluunen' because of bad ice.

2012 was stopped also because it started to de-frost too quickly. , Which is also the main reason I didn't go ice-skating. By the time I was off from work for say, the weekend, the ice had vanished because it stayed for 4-5 days tops.

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As for skiing in The Ardennes, you can always go to Southern New England or Scotland! For the last couple of years there has been good skiing around Winterberg in Germany.

Both winterberg and the UK are higher mountains than the 'ardennes' in Belgium. Apples and oranges.
Ardennes : Much of the Ardennes is covered in dense forests, with the mountains averaging around 350–400 m
Winterberg (kahles alter): 800m
Scotland : The mountains exhibit many notable individual peaks and many exceed 1,000 metres (3,280 ft) in height, so qualifying as Munros. Ben Nevis exceeds 1,300 metres (4,265 ft).

UK new england: Didn't look it up, but I assume its also higher.

Quote

But Global Warming is real and it is a pity that The United States and other governments do not man up.

Glad we agree on that, denying global warming just makes you look stupid nowadays.

The man made / non-man made, is a non-discussion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 06, 2017, 01:31:21 PM

Global warming may be real however I highly doubt if we can change it.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBqPuAgXsAA-J_A.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 07, 2017, 01:29:42 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBuixTQUIAMnCnD.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 08, 2017, 02:10:08 PM

Rubio nails both the media and Comey to the wall. This clip shows what is wrong w/ the msm. They printed leaks making Trump look bad, but they withheld the one leak which made him look good.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 08, 2017, 03:19:59 PM

Comey can now be added to the list of leaking privileged Info.
How the hell could this guy have been in charge of the FBI? :'(

Trump Denies Pressuring Ex-FBI Chief, Accuses Comey of Leaks

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1735551_06082017&s=al&dkt_nbr=vikquozo&aliaspath=%2FHome

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: el_guero on June 08, 2017, 10:44:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 08, 2017, 03:19:59 PM

Comey can now be added to the list of leaking privileged Info.
How the hell could this guy have been in charge of the FBI? :'(

Trump Denies Pressuring Ex-FBI Chief, Accuses Comey of Leaks

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1735551_06082017&s=al&dkt_nbr=vikquozo&aliaspath=%2FHome

I don't know about all that.

I want to know WHY MSM is backing the dark state? Why do they trash Trump, but not Obama and all the leakers of classified?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 10, 2017, 02:11:44 PM

First New Coal Mine of Trump Era Opens in Pennsylvania

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/10/new-coal-mine-donald-trump-pennsylvania-fossil-fuels-regulations

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 10, 2017, 03:26:44 PM

Quote from: el_guero on June 08, 2017, 10:44:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 08, 2017, 03:19:59 PM
Comey can now be added to the list of leaking privileged Info.
How the hell could this guy have been in charge of the FBI? :'(

Trump Denies Pressuring Ex-FBI Chief, Accuses Comey of Leaks

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1735551_06082017&s=al&dkt_nbr=vikquozo&aliaspath=%2FHome

I don't know about all that.

I want to know WHY MSM is backing the dark state? Why do they trash Trump, but not Obama and all the leakers of classified?

twitter is your friend. start here.

https://twitter.com/hectormorenco/status/872108816652947457

Title: Re: President Trump - State Visit off...
Post by: Ste on June 11, 2017, 08:25:33 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/11/donald-trump-state-visit-to-britain-put-on-hold?CMP=share_btn_tw

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Donald Trump has told Theresa May in a phone call he does not want to go ahead with a state visit to Britain until the British public supports him coming.

The US president said he did not want to come if there were large-scale protests and his remarks in effect put the visit on hold for some time.

Forever I'd say......

Title: Re: President Trump - State Visit off...
Post by: Contrarian on June 11, 2017, 10:36:53 AM

Quote from: Ste on June 11, 2017, 08:25:33 AM

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/11/donald-trump-state-visit-to-britain-put-on-hold?CMP=share_btn_tw

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Donald Trump has told Theresa May in a phone call he does not want to go ahead with a state visit to Britain until the British public supports him coming.

The US president said he did not want to come if there were large-scale protests and his remarks in effect put the visit on hold for some time.

Forever I'd say......

Yes, because when large segments of the UK population are mentally deficient Islam apologists who wist to commit suicide of their own culture and people someone like Trump who speaks the truth is very upsetting. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump - State Visit off...
Post by: Ste on June 11, 2017, 11:00:25 AM

Quote from: Confederate on June 11, 2017, 10:36:53 AM

Quote from: Ste on June 11, 2017, 08:25:33 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/11/donald-trump-state-visit-to-britain-put-on-hold?CMP=share_btn_tw

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Donald Trump has told Theresa May in a phone call he does not want to go ahead with a state visit to Britain until the British public supports him coming.

The US president said he did not want to come if there were large-scale protests and his remarks in effect put the visit on hold for some time.

Forever I'd say......

Yes, because when large segments of the UK population are mentally deficient Islam apologists who wist to commit suicide of their own culture and people someone like Trump who speaks the truth is very upsetting. :coffeeread:

Yeah that'll be it, and The Queen too, word is she's not happy about receiving him, it's well known that American's can't use a knife and fork properly, what is all that crossing hands business??

(https://s5.postimg.org/6siiwphzb/18221862_1933813496856037_6077723616739393868_n.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump - State Visit off...
Post by: AvHdB on June 11, 2017, 11:36:33 AM

Quote from: Ste on June 11, 2017, 08:25:33 AM

Yeah that'll be it, and The Queen too, word is she's not happy about receiving him, it's well known that American's can't use a knife and fork properly, what is all that crossing hands business??

It is quite primitive, but it should be noted many citizens in Russia and Ukraine do it as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 11, 2017, 03:29:43 PM

Quote from: Ste on June 11, 2017, 11:00:25 AM

Quote from: Confederate on June 11, 2017, 10:36:53 AM
Quote from: Ste on June 11, 2017, 08:25:33 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/11/donald-trump-state-visit-to-britain-put-on-hold?CMP=share_btn_tw

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Donald Trump has told Theresa May in a phone call he does not want to go ahead with a state visit to Britain until the British public supports him coming.

The US president said he did not want to come if there were large-scale protests and his remarks in effect put the visit on hold for some time.

Forever I'd say......

Yes, because when large segments of the UK population are mentally deficient Islam apologists who wist to commit suicide of their own culture and people someone like Trump who speaks the truth is very upsetting. :coffeeread:

Yeah that'll be it, and The Queen too, word is she's not happy about receiving him, it's well known that American's can't use a knife and fork properly, what is all that crossing hands business??

That's #FakeNews Ste. The official policy of Buckingham Palace is to not be involved in political disputes. The "word" you're claiming is gossip being pushed by that turd Mayor of London who's turned your capital city into a 3rd World slum.

Both BBC and CNN say the visit is still on.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/11/politics/trump-uk-visit/index.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40241220

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 11, 2017, 06:21:26 PM

President Trump crashes a New Jersey wedding reception much to the delight of those attending.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/11/politics/trump-crashes-wedding/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 12, 2017, 08:14:29 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 11, 2017, 06:21:26 PM

President Trump crashes a New Jersey wedding reception much to the delight of those attending.

Well, he needs to improve his ratings ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 12, 2017, 08:20:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on June 11, 2017, 03:29:43 PM

That's #FakeNews Ste. The official policy of Buckingham Palace is to not be involved in political disputes. The "word" you're claiming is gossip being pushed by that turd Mayor of London who's turned your capital city into a 3rd World slum.

Both BBC and CNN say the visit is still on.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/11/politics/trump-uk-visit/index.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40241220

Hmm - quoting from the BBC.com link YOU posted :

"US administration officials have, however, told the BBC the president "does not feel like" visiting the UK any time soon."

Good, perhaps he got the 'hint' ... Mrs May doesn't need her dwindling cred being dragged down further being seen with your rather bizarre President

If/ when he comes to London - he'll see just how 'popular' he is ))

BTW: Why DO all these tourists continue to come to 'third world' London ? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on June 12, 2017, 11:04:57 AM

Quote from: msmoby on June 12, 2017, 08:14:29 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 11, 2017, 06:21:26 PM
President Trump crashes a New Jersey wedding reception much to the delight of those attending.

Well, he needs to improve his ratings ...

Probably hoping for some Bridesmaids’ snatch.....

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 12, 2017, 11:10:51 AM

Quote from: Ste on June 12, 2017, 11:04:57 AM

Quote from: msmoby on June 12, 2017, 08:14:29 AM

Well, he needs to improve his ratings ...

Probably hoping for some Bridesmaids’ snatch.....

President Donald Trump’s present job approval rating is right above former President Bill Clinton at the same time in his term

read all about it here
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-approval-rating-better-bill-clintons-first-term-621853

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: el_guero on June 12, 2017, 05:43:20 PM

And they BOTH spoke with the media more than Obama ever did.

Might be why he had higher ratings.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 12, 2017, 11:07:57 PM

Quote from: msmoby on June 12, 2017, 08:20:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on June 11, 2017, 03:29:43 PM

That's #FakeNews Ste. The official policy of Buckingham Palace is to not be involved in political disputes. The "word" you're claiming is gossip being pushed by that turd Mayor of London who's turned your capital city into a 3rd World slum.

Both BBC and CNN say the visit is still on.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/11/politics/trump-uk-visit/index.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40241220

Hmm - quoting from the BBC.com link YOU posted :

"US administration officials have, however, told the BBC the president "does not feel like" visiting the UK any time soon."

Good, perhaps he got the 'hint' ... Mrs May doesn't need her dwindling cred being dragged down further being seen with your rather bizarre President

If/ when he comes to London - he'll see just how 'popular' he is ))

BTW: Why DO all these tourists continue to come to 'third world' London ? :chuckle:

Engaging in yet more propaganda moby DICK? Read both links. That's why I posted BOTH links. Stop trying to twist everything to suit your agenda.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 13, 2017, 01:14:32 PM

9th Circuit Court shows yet again how out of touch they are with the heart and soul of America. Trump needs to disband these fruit loops and the sooner the better.

What say you Mr. B/B kind Sir?

Abraham Lincoln took control of our press in a time of war. The World is at war against radical Islam yet mentally ill persons in courtrooms are risking our national security. Trump needs to really take control of this nation and do it soon. These kangaroo courts need to stop ASAP starting with this Russian collusion nonsense in Congress.

The Democrats have been colluding with the government of Mexico for decades for illegal votes. Investigate that!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/12/hawaii-urges-court-to-keep-hold-on-trump-travel-ban.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 13, 2017, 05:59:11 PM

Below is an email from the Trump organization. When you think about it, it very disheartening that the liberals have no intention of passing anything Trump endorses .
The republican party better get their act together and get as much done while they have control of the house and Senate.

QUOTE,
If you told me this would happen in America, I wouldn’t believe you...The
losing political party is using a conspiracy theory -- without having a single shred of evidence -- to DERAIL a constitutionally-elected president.
Our former FBI director cowardly used a friend to leak a government memo to the media as a political weapon, joining countless other unelected bureaucrats who leak.
The Obama administration called for the UNMASKING of members of my campaign during the transition of power
The fake news media peddle conspiracy theories and lies about our administrationSo when I say there is an effort to SABOTAGE us, I mean it. This is a threat to our republic -- and we can’t let them win.We MUST keep fighting. We MUST be 100 percent prepared for the vicious attacks that will NEVER end. WITCH-HUNT!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on June 13, 2017, 11:06:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on June 13, 2017, 01:14:32 PM

9th Circuit Court shows yet again how out of touch they are with the heart and soul of America. Trump needs to disband these fruit loops and the sooner the better.

What say you Mr. B/B kind Sir?

I'd be fine with a purge.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 14, 2017, 11:36:57 AM

Democrats and mainstream news media - Enough Already! Stop whipping up your whack job followers to the point they commit terrorist acts because of believing lies, innuendo and false news created by YOU directed at the Trump Administration planted for the sole purpose of perceived political gain. Innocent people are being hurt as a result. JUST STOP IT!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on June 14, 2017, 11:56:15 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 14, 2017, 11:36:57 AM

Democrats and mainstream news media - Enough Already! Stop whipping up your whack job followers to the point they commit terrorist acts because of believing lies, innuendo and false news created by YOU directed at the Trump Administration planted for the sole purpose of perceived political gain. Innocent people are being hurt as a result. JUST STOP IT!

Now we know what #RESIST means...

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 14, 2017, 01:17:08 PM

The investigation of R. Mueller is becoming disturbing.

There was a tweet from N. Gingrich which points to a disturbing reality and perhaps goal of this investigation (witch hunt per D. Trump).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 14, 2017, 03:12:03 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on June 14, 2017, 01:17:08 PM

The investigation of R. Mueller is becoming disturbing.

There was a tweet from N. Gingrich which points to a disturbing reality and perhaps goal of this investigation (witch hunt per D. Trump).

Clinton Ally Terry McAuliffe gave nearly $500K to Mueller's Wife Campaign
_1,2

Mueller hires democrat operatives/donors to his team to investigate
Russia/Team Trump
₃

1. https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-10-24/clinton-ally-mcauliffe-aided-fbi-official-s-wife-s-campaign
2. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2016/10/25/virginia-governor-clinton-ally-donated-campaign-fbi-officials-wife
3. http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/politics/robert-mueller-donations-democrats-fec/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 15, 2017, 04:13:05 PM

This Russian meddling in the election is really a bunch of steaming crap.
Over 6 months has passed since the election, and there has been no real proof. It's pathetic how the liberals and a handful of republicans can't get with the vision of better relationship with those countries that could be valuable allies.
Russia is not an enemy of the United states!!

Americans Refuse to Credit Russia With Saving Them From a Hillary Presidency

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/americans-refuse-credit-russia-saving-them-hillary-presidency/ri20116

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 15, 2017, 04:47:55 PM

Just my opinion, Trump needs to start playing hardball will all these liberal idiots. He should demand Clinton, Comey, Loretta lynch, and a list of others be brought up on charges. Instead of being the whipping post take the whip in hand and give the liberals a real ass whipping!
The president of the United states deserves respect, not this constant liberal sh-t that's been a constant since the election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 16, 2017, 02:15:17 PM

CNN's Smerconish Makes Case Trump Didn't Obstruct Justice

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/796501?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1737073_06162017&s=al&dkt_nbr=5echyezd&section=Politics&keywords=CNN-michael-smerconish-trump-obstruct&year=2017&month=06&date=16&id=796501&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 16, 2017, 02:17:17 PM

Oliver Stone Slams John Brennan for Anti-Trump Comments During Transition

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/796367?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1737073_06162017&s=al&dkt_nbr=5echyezd&section=Newsfront&keywords=intelligence-community-Oliver-Stone-John-Brennan&year=2017&month=06&date=15&id=796367&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 16, 2017, 03:30:59 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 15, 2017, 04:47:55 PM

Just my opinion, Trump needs to start playing hardball will all these liberal idiots. He should demand Clinton, Comey, Loretta lynch, and a list of others be brought up on charges. Instead of being the whipping post take the whip in hand and give the liberals a real ass whipping!
The president of the United states deserves respect, not this constant liberal sh-t that's been a constant since the election.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 16, 2017, 08:44:57 PM

Trump reports hundreds of millions in income

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/16/news/trump-financial-disclosure-form/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 16, 2017, 08:56:35 PM

Hannity: The deep state's massive effort to destroy Trump

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5474752149001/?#sp=show-clips

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 17, 2017, 04:51:38 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 16, 2017, 08:44:57 PM

Trump reports hundreds of millions in income

..and eye watering debts to Banks - like DeutscheBank ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 17, 2017, 01:26:16 PM

Ann Coulter not happy with Trump.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/06/17/ann-coulter-goes-on-anti-trump-tirade-suggests-pence-could-be-p/22421969/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 17, 2017, 01:56:02 PM

What Trump needs to do

1. Keep tweeting, it controls part of the news cycle
2. Fire Mueller and Rosenstein
3. Fire Koskinen (IRS commissioner)
4. Fire any remaining Obama holdovers that he can fire.
5. Start an investigation on the Clinton Uranium Russian deal
6. Start an investigation on the IRS Tea Party deal
7. Appoint a judge to 100% of the judicial openings

Stop being on defense and always go on offense.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: el_guero on June 17, 2017, 04:49:51 PM

Quote from: Popka! on June 17, 2017, 01:56:02 PM

What Trump needs to do

1. Keep tweeting, it controls part of the news cycle
2. Fire Mueller and Rosenstein
3. Fire Koskinen (IRS commissioner)
4. Fire any remaining Obama holdovers that he can fire.
5. Start an investigation on the Clinton Uranium Russian deal
6. Start an investigation on the IRS Tea Party deal
7. Appoint a judge to 100% of the judicial openings

Stop being on defense and always go on offense.

Popka, you forgot 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 - hire my company, so we can FIX some of the Obama era mess.

;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on June 18, 2017, 11:46:22 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 15, 2017, 04:47:55 PM

The president of the United states deserves respect,

Yeah well maybe he should treat others with respect, it may be returned. He's a goof on the world's stage, makes a complete ass of himself.
But keep believing your preferred 'news' links.
If you as a Republican didn't cringe while watching his time with Merkel there is something really wrong.
All the shit he says about women was in full display during that press op. Or pushing his way to the front at the meeting recently with a chin up and holding onto his jacket. Good grief, I'm not even American.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on June 19, 2017, 05:13:59 AM

He's got his own menu on Sky News, noticed it this morning while watching the news about this mentally ill lone-wolf attack at Finsbury Park mosque...

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 19, 2017, 02:14:10 PM

The Supreme Court gave a huge blow to the radical left who want
to control free speech. The left wants to tell people what they can
and can not say. I am not a fan of the Washington Redskins, but
it's going to be hard for the lefty snowflakes to make them change
their name.

It was a 8-0 decision! Even Ruth Buzzi Ginsberg voted against political correctness
(http://www.framingthedialogue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/buzzi-ginsburg.png)

Supreme Court sides with The Slants, rules ban on offensive names is unconstitutional
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/19/supreme-court-rules-trademark-law-banning-offensive-names-is-unconstitutional.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on June 20, 2017, 06:40:56 AM

Just on a conf call with head office somewhere in deepest USA, about 12 Septics and 2 Brits, having a bit of pre-agenda craic, as we do, yet to find one Septic who voted for Trump, or will admit to it.

Funny dat....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on June 20, 2017, 07:13:13 AM

Quote from: Ste on June 20, 2017, 06:40:56 AM

Just on a conf call with head office somewhere in deepest USA, about 12 Septics and 2 Brits, having a bit of pre-agenda craic, as we do, yet to find one Septic who voted for Trump, or will admit to it.

Funny dat....

You really have your goolies in a knot over this, haven't you?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on June 20, 2017, 07:13:44 AM

Quote from: Ste on June 20, 2017, 06:40:56 AM

Just on a conf call with head office somewhere in deepest USA, about 12 Septics and 2 Brits, having a bit of pre-agenda craic, as we do, yet to find one Septic who voted for Trump, or will admit to it.

Funny dat....

Yawn.......

Bit of a pointless post, unless you're tediously dragging out the quite obvious and most one sided attacks on TPOTUS from the left....ever. You do know he won right?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on June 20, 2017, 07:19:55 AM

Just bored having to listen to this lot so I'm on iPhone fora while they jabber...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 20, 2017, 08:47:15 AM

Quote from: Ste on June 20, 2017, 06:40:56 AM

Just on a conf call with head office somewhere in deepest USA, about 12 Septics and 2 Brits, having a bit of pre-agenda craic, as we do, yet to find one Septic who voted for Trump, or will admit to it.

Funny dat....

Yeah, real funny Ste. :sick0012:

You do know that commies murdered between 20 million to 60 million during the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, right Ste?

Here's a link about a Trump supporter who was stabbed 9 times by the radical left as they screamed "you're getting the shank white boy". Socialism can only exist through jealousy and theft of property.

Click the link and read the story if you're capable of learning anything (I know you're not, the links are for others).

https://twitter.com/bakedalaska/status/876942364333400068

https://twitter.com/bakedalaska/status/876953788409462784

medical fund for Tony Foreman:

https://www.wesearchr.com/bounties/patriot-tony-foreman-medical-fund

(https://87c766b4e1413f52da7c-9acf59ca98a7221d110760a9902153be.ssl.cf5.rackcdn.com/images/1243/original/c1d42f0d926927c52b4fe285f30a0429.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on June 20, 2017, 08:51:26 AM

Touched a nerve I think.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 20, 2017, 09:02:15 AM

Quote from: Ste on June 20, 2017, 08:51:26 AM

Touched a nerve I think.

when the civil wars start a lot more than nerves will be touched. will you be prepared to defend your kin and property? doubtful. you'll remain a judas goat until it's your turn. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on June 20, 2017, 09:13:51 AM

Quote from: Confederate on June 20, 2017, 09:02:15 AM

Quote from: Ste on June 20, 2017, 08:51:26 AM
Touched a nerve I think.

when the civil wars start a lot more than nerves will be touched. will you be prepared to defend your kin and property? doubtful. you'll remain a judas goat until it's your turn. :coffeeread:

Our Barbara's going to Cornwall.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 20, 2017, 04:46:22 PM

Important Supreme Court Cases to be decided this year.

1. Sessions v. Dimaya & Esquivel-Quintana v. Sessions concerns an
immigration statute that makes an alien deportable if he or she has
committed an “aggravated felony,” a category that includes “a crime
of violence,” but provides no definition. Does that mean that the
president has latitude to decide? Da ili Nyet?

2. In Murr v. Wisconsin, the Supreme Court will consider aspects of
when government so completely regulates a piece of property that the
land becomes unusable by the owner, such that this triggers the Fifth
Amendment’s Takings Clause requiring the government to pay the
owner.

3. In Maslenjak v. United States, a lower court held that a naturalized
citizen could be stripped of her citizenship years later for lying on her
application form—even if the lie was “immaterial” to the application.

4. Jennings v. Rodriguez tests whether aliens awaiting deportation can
be held indefinitely without a hearing. Many of those being held, even
though undocumented, may be eligible for statutory reasons to stay;
and they aren’t being held on criminal charges.

Nonetheless, the government argues that immigration statutes permit
them to be held, possibly for years without bail, while the matter is
resolved.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/18/big-cases-waiting-supreme-court-decisions-2017/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 20, 2017, 09:00:12 PM

Well it looks as if Trump has more support than the liberal media would have us believe. Another republican victory.

Trump boasts over victory of GOP candidate in Georgia

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/338712-trump-boasts-over-victory-of-gop-candidates-win-in-georgia

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 21, 2017, 12:10:52 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 20, 2017, 09:00:12 PM

Trump boasts over victory of GOP candidate in Georgia

The 4 special elections which the Dems thought they could win because of
Trumps unpopularity (with themselves), but the Republicans spanked them
4-0. The Dems think that their angry, violent, protest and screaming would
lead them to victory. They have no idea what to do next.

John Ossoff in Georgia
"On the Democratic side, the combined efforts of the Ossoff campaign, the Democratic National Committee, and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee help build a monster operation unprecedented in Georgia Democratic politics. By the end of the race, they had knocked on more than 500,000 doors, hired 100 staffers, recruited 12,000 active volunteers and spent more than $11 million on ads on everything from the Today show to Korean newspapers and
gospel stations.

But, and this is the part that will sting Democrats for a long time: It still wasn’t enough.
http://nypost.com/2017/06/21/what-democrats-can-learn-from-spending-30m-on-a-house-race-and-losing/

(http://ultimateclassicrock.com/files/2015/01/Loser-630x420.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: el_guero on June 21, 2017, 10:45:37 PM

Quote from: Ste on June 20, 2017, 08:51:26 AM

Touched a nerve I think.

Me thinks you got more than just a nerve ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 22, 2017, 12:41:24 PM

Quote from: Popka! on June 21, 2017, 12:10:52 PM

John Ossoff in Georgia

"On the Democratic side, the combined efforts of the Ossoff campaign, the Democratic National Committee, and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee help build a monster operation unprecedented in Georgia Democratic politics. By the end of the race, they had knocked on more than 500,000 doors, hired 100 staffers, recruited 12,000 active volunteers and spent more than $11 million on ads on everything from the Today show to Korean newspapers and gospel stations.

There definitely is something for Republicans to crow about here but don't get too cocky.

Republicans usually win this district by 20%. The fact the margin was only 4% would seem to indicate that independents and some Republicans voted for "pajama boy" Ossoff.

To me the more important takeaway from this election was the "official death" of mainstream media poll credibility. Most mainstream media polls showed Ossoff ahead by 6-7% as late as last Friday. With the final margin being +4% for Handel, one can deduce the polls were off by about 10%. No doubt about it, the liberal left was manipulating the public release of poll data to do what they could to get Ossoff elected.

From now on, anybody that believes that a mainstream media sponsored political poll is accurate is gullible enough to believe that Mother Goose stories are real.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 22, 2017, 01:15:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 22, 2017, 12:41:24 PM

There definitely is something for Republicans to crow about here but don't get too cocky.

Republicans usually win this district by 20%. The fact the margin was only 4% would seem to indicate that independents and some Republicans voted for "pajama boy" Ossoff.

The District was redrawn following the 2010 census, with the first election
being in 2012 by an incumbent. Trump only won the district by less than
2%.

Karen Handel (not an incumbent tripled Trumps results after the Dems
spent a zillion dollars and huge efforts and the Dems pulled out all their
illegal tricks and registered homeless and got all the dead to vote.

They still lost.
Cocky no, but it was nice.

Quote from: shakespear on June 22, 2017, 12:41:24 PM

To me the more important takeaway from this election was the "official death" of mainstream media poll credibility.

News flash, people don't trust the media.
(http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/3tq9inhrquecdyh0rjjtua.png)

Americans' Trust in Mass Media Sinks to New Low
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Americans' trust and confidence in the mass media
"to report the news fully, accurately and fairly" has dropped to its lowest
level in Gallup polling history, with 32% saying they have a great deal or
fair amount of trust in the media. This is down eight percentage points
from last year.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 22, 2017, 01:33:02 PM

Trey Gowdy questions Jeh Johnson

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 22, 2017, 03:39:03 PM

Quote from: Popka! on June 22, 2017, 01:15:28 PM

The District was redrawn following the 2010 census, with the first election
being in 2012 by an incumbent. Trump only won the district by less than
2%.

Don't judge the outcome against the Presidential race . . . . . .

Don't forget Price won the election in November 2016 by 23+%

That was only 7 months ago.

Judge it against that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 22, 2017, 06:28:55 PM

When listening to Schumer Pelosi and other top democrats, there has been nothing said or done other than to criticize Trump and the republicans.
Nobody wants to listen to whiners day after day. Obstructing progress without any plans for a solution to America's problems is not a very good platform to stand on.

I'd be willing to bet that a much larger percentage of Americans than polls would indicate, support Trump and want that he will succeed in putting the United states on the path to a brighter future.

The Democrats have nothing to offer, to make any significant progress for the United states.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 22, 2017, 07:03:49 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 22, 2017, 03:39:03 PM

Quote from: Popka! on June 22, 2017, 01:15:28 PM
The District was redrawn following the 2010 census, with the first election
being in 2012 by an incumbent. Trump only won the district by less than
2%.

Don't judge the outcome against the Presidential race . . . . . .

Don't forget Price won the election in November 2016 by 23+%

That was only 7 months ago.

Judge it against that.

Apparently you are one of the 30% who trust the left wing media spin.

Price was a popular incumbent with an enormous money advantage.
Handel by contrast was a retread that had lost her last couple of races
and was outspent by 150%. Judge it against that.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/19/politics/who-is-karen-handel/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 22, 2017, 08:23:11 PM

There's freedom of speech, but there is a point when you cross the line.
Celebrities must be pretty darn stupid to say crap such as Depp's comment. Liberals sure do lack common sense.

Johnny Depp suggests an actor should assassinate President Trump

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/johnny-depp-suggests-actor-assassinate-president-trump-article-1.3270476

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 22, 2017, 11:39:16 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 22, 2017, 08:23:11 PM

There's freedom of speech, but there is a point when you cross the line.
Celebrities must be pretty darn stupid to say crap such as Depp's comment. Liberals sure do lack common sense.

Johnny Depp suggests an actor should assassinate President Trump

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/johnny-depp-suggests-actor-assassinate-president-trump-article-1.3270476

Indeed it is stupid .. Depp is a strange guy ..it's as daft as saying citizens of the UK driving into following of Islam emerging from a Mosque are 'fighting back ' ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on June 23, 2017, 12:05:15 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 22, 2017, 08:23:11 PM

There's freedom of speech, but there is a point when you cross the line.

That happens quite a lot here with some posters. I bet when they first heard of the First Amendment in Junior High Civics class it must have seen like a license to be their obnoxious self.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on June 23, 2017, 01:25:15 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 22, 2017, 08:23:11 PM

There's freedom of speech, but there is a point when you cross the line.
Celebrities must be pretty darn stupid to say crap such as Depp's comment. Liberals sure do lack common sense.

Johnny Depp suggests an actor should assassinate President Trump

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/johnny-depp-suggests-actor-assassinate-president-trump-article-1.3270476

Mentally ill lone wolf or gay actors and faggots terrorists plot?

Suppose it depends on skin colour or religion...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 23, 2017, 02:53:38 AM

The spending thing in Georgia was something of an intentionally misleading canard.

When the total amounts of money spent on the campaigns are tallied up, both money raised by the candidates and that provided externally, while the Democrats DID spend more, the margin of difference was much, much, less than is being talked about now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on June 23, 2017, 03:39:14 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 22, 2017, 08:23:11 PM

There's freedom of speech, but there is a point when you cross the line.
Celebrities must be pretty darn stupid to say crap such as Depp's comment. Liberals sure do lack common sense.

Johnny Depp suggests an actor should assassinate President Trump

I am not Trump's fan, but this is too much.

Quote from: Ste on June 23, 2017, 01:25:15 AM

Mentally ill lone wolf or gay actors and faggots terrorists plot?

Suppose it depends on skin colour or religion...

Right, obviously assassins are not casted in Hollywood, but still...

We in Balkans are very much aware of the "verbal delict" , which used to be criminalized by Federal Penal Code in former Yugoslavia. Obviously it is not valid anymore (FPC), but "defamation" is taken seriously. There was that notorious case Kusturica (the director) versus Nikolaidis (the writer) http://www.hraction.org/2015/?p=81 (I personally was on Andrej's/ writer's side).
I don't know US legislation to the extent to predict whether it's realistic for Depp (as much as i love him as an actor) to bear consequences for his words ( i think not, because it's been made indirectly), but here is what i found: http://law.justia.com/constitution/us/amendment-01/43-threats-of-violence.html

Threats of Violence Against Individuals.—The Supreme Court has cited three “reasons why threats of violence are outside the First Amendment”: “protecting individuals from the fear of violence, from the disruption that fear engenders, and from the possibility that the threatened violence will occur.”980 In Watts v. United States, however, the Court held that only “true” threats are outside the First Amendment.981 The defendant in Watts, at a public rally at which he was expressing his opposition to the military draft, said, “If they ever make me carry a rifle, the first man I want to get in my sights is L.B.J.”982 He was convicted of violating a federal statute that prohibited “any threat to take the life of or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States.” The Supreme Court reversed. Interpreting the statute “with the commands of the First Amendment clearly in mind,”983 it found that the defendant had not made a “true ‘threat,”’ but had indulged in mere “political hyperbole.”984

As i mentioned, i am not a Trump fan, and i do love Depp, but even if it's "legal" to make such outrageous comments, it's ethically and morally wrong to issue Hollywood version of "fatwa" against country's president IMO.

Like, excuse me, we had fought against Milosevic with civilized tools, and he was accused (in court ) of much worse - war crimes and crimes against humanity . You (hypothetical you) were back then teaching us to be tolerant and stay within the borders of the law. Kindly do the same, now that you have a president that (some of you) don't like :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on June 23, 2017, 10:17:10 AM

Obama’s secret struggle to punish Russia for Putin’s election assault

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama%e2%80%99s-secret-struggle-to-punish-russia-for-putin%e2%80%99s-election-assault/ar-BBD4mdS?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on June 23, 2017, 11:06:26 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 22, 2017, 08:23:11 PM

There's freedom of speech, but there is a point when you cross the line.
Celebrities must be pretty darn stupid to say crap such as Depp's comment. Liberals sure do lack common sense.

Johnny Depp suggests an actor should assassinate President Trump

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/johnny-depp-suggests-actor-assassinate-president-trump-article-1.3270476

Depp is a good-looking but not very bright guy. He is attempting to "signal" that he is "with the Resistance" here, except the "Resistance" is not an actual thing, it's just a pretend "club" that the now entirely marginalized and impotent Left uses to maintain their "Delusions of Relevance". The important thing is not to actually do anything, it's to have the "appearance" of being against Trump.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 23, 2017, 12:34:21 PM

When I first read what Depp said, first thing I thought of was John Hinckley Jr, shooting Reagan.
There's nut cases that will go to extreme measures when trying to impress a celebrity.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on June 23, 2017, 12:53:13 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 23, 2017, 12:34:21 PM

When I first read what Depp said, first thing I thought of was John Hinckley Jr, shooting Reagan.
There's nut cases that will go to extreme measures when trying to impress a celebrity.

Wasn't he referring to Lincoln?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 23, 2017, 01:12:37 PM

Quote from: Ste on June 23, 2017, 12:53:13 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 23, 2017, 12:34:21 PM
When I first read what Depp said, first thing I thought of was John Hinckley Jr, shooting Reagan.
There's nut cases that will go to extreme measures when trying to impress a celebrity.

Wasn't he referring to Lincoln?

Hillary Clinton tried desperately to use celebrities to get votes, because they can influence the masses. Regardless of who Depp was referring to there will be some nutters that will take his words to heart be it a wanna be actor or a delusional fan.
Actors professional athletes ect, need to think about what they say and who could be influenced.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 23, 2017, 01:54:16 PM

Quote from: Popka! on June 22, 2017, 07:03:49 PM

Price was a popular incumbent with an enormous money advantage.
Handel by contrast was a retread that had lost her last couple of races
and was outspent by 150%. Judge it against that.

I'd say its fair to judge it by both sets of facts. Clearly some independent voters crossed back over and voted for Ossoff.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 23, 2017, 02:38:11 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 23, 2017, 01:54:16 PM

Quote from: Popka! on June 22, 2017, 07:03:49 PM
Price was a popular incumbent with an enormous money advantage.
Handel by contrast was a retread that had lost her last couple of races
and was outspent by 150%. Judge it against that.

I'd say its fair to judge it by both sets of facts. Clearly some independent voters crossed back over and voted for Ossoff.

Fair enough,

I would add that the Dems really made an effort as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on June 23, 2017, 05:35:58 PM

Quote from: Ste on June 23, 2017, 12:53:13 PM

Wasn't he referring to Lincoln?

That's how I read it.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on June 24, 2017, 02:52:19 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 23, 2017, 12:34:21 PM

When I first read what Depp said, first thing I thought of was John Hinckley Jr, shooting Reagan.
There's nut cases that will go to extreme measures when trying to impress a celebrity.

Quote from: Ste on June 23, 2017, 12:53:13 PM

Wasn't he referring to Lincoln?

Depp was referring to Lincoln. Like Tom Cat, i also first remembered attempted assassination of Reagan :duh:

I am kinda glad we don't have "celebrities" (we don't even have a word for that), nor there are "fans" (no word for that either, which basically means concept as such is non-existent).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 24, 2017, 10:03:07 AM

I've noticed that when these news networks do retract a story, very little attention is given. All to often the damage remains In spite of the retraction.

CNN Retracts Story That Suggested Link Between Trump Administration and Russia

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/cnn-retracts-story-suggested-link-between-trump-administration-and-russia/ri20191

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 24, 2017, 01:17:23 PM

When looking at the numbers of murders in Mexico, a wall seems a good investment.

3 killed every hour: Mexico’s murder rate reaches 20-year high

https://www.rt.com/news/393558-mexico-murder-rate-record-may/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 25, 2017, 04:43:57 PM

IBD: Trump Is Right, Illegals Cost Him in Popular Vote

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/798075?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1738300_06252017&s=al&dkt_nbr=1gsi5y76&section=Newsfront&keywords=non-citizens-may-be-voter-rolls&year=2017&month=06&date=25&id=798075&aliaspath=%2fManage%2fArticles%2fTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 26, 2017, 02:12:52 PM

Trump Today: President celebrates travel ban win, blasts Obama

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-today-president-celebrates-travel-ban-win-blasts-obama-2017-06-26

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 28, 2017, 01:25:43 PM

The undercover video from conservative sting artist James O’Keefe showed a CNN producer questioning the network’s coverage and suggesting important stories had been buried to keep the focus on Trump and Russia.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/339769-cnn-war-with-trump-gets-personal

CNN Uses Sesame Street's Elmo to Attack Trump's Travel Ban
http://www.dailywire.com/news/18034/new-low-cnn-uses-sesame-streets-elmo-attack-trumps-john-nolte#exit-modal

Trump accuses them of publishing fake news, and they respond with such blind hatred that they end up publishing fake news. That’ll show him.
http://nypost.com/2017/06/27/the-media-will-do-anything-to-bash-trump-and-now-theyre-hurting/

Van Jones: Russia is "Nothing burger" -- American Pravda: CNN Part 2
http://breaking.projectveritas.com/cnnpart2.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 29, 2017, 03:07:22 PM

President Trump's tweets today against Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski were completely below the acceptable dignity of any man occupying the office of President of the United States.

Trump has the potential to be a great President of the United States and accomplish so many great things. But that won't happen until he gives SOMEBODY the authority to approve tweets on his Twitter account before he is allowed to hit "send".

:nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 29, 2017, 07:58:59 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 29, 2017, 03:07:22 PM

President Trump's tweets today against Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski were completely below the acceptable dignity of any man occupying the office of President of the United States.

Trump has the potential to be a great President of the United States and accomplish so many great things. But that won't happen until he gives SOMEBODY the authority to approve tweets on his Twitter account before he is allowed to hit "send".

:nod:

I'll take Trump's tweets any day over the fake news networks.
We put up with 8 years of that pomp·ous ass Obama, Trump was not elected because he was politically correct!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 30, 2017, 02:14:33 AM

Some concern themselves with how things appear to be. Others concern themselves with how things are.

Which perspective is the most useful?

Corrolary: does anyone honestly think that Abraham Lincoln was concerned about what people 100 years hence would think about how he was perceived or do you think that he was concerned about what people 100 years hence might think about what he achieved?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 30, 2017, 08:54:23 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 30, 2017, 02:14:33 AM

Some concern themselves with how things appear to be. Others concern themselves with how things are.

Which perspective is the most useful?

Corrolary: does anyone honestly think that Abraham Lincoln was concerned about what people 100 years hence would think about how he was perceived or do you think that he was concerned about what people 100 years hence might think about what he achieved?

He keeps making crazy, inappropriate and offensive tweets, they won't need impeachment. They'll use the 25th Amendment to boot him out of office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 30, 2017, 09:21:00 AM

I see you are one of the people who hasn't yet gotten what is going on yet.

Don't worry about it, you will see soon enough.

You might want to read up about punji sticks. :)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 30, 2017, 09:36:08 AM

Chris Matthews Suggests Trump Channel Mussolini, Murder Kushner
http://www.cnsnews.com/video/matthews-suggests-trump-channel-mussolini-murder-kushner-compares-him-ethiopian-dictator

Americans who support tax cuts 61% according to Gallup
http://www.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/213239/taxes-may-certain-tax-reform-not.aspx

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 30, 2017, 09:47:25 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 30, 2017, 09:21:00 AM

I see you are one of the people who hasn't yet gotten what is going on yet.

Surely andrewfi isn't suggesting his self-declared 'superiority' can't see what 80 plus percent of the world outside America can ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 30, 2017, 11:42:31 AM

Moby, when you shift yourself from your normal indolence and do a little reading you will note that I have done pretty well at calling the progress of Trump. It isn't hard. Trump almost always signals his intent. That one is brighter than most other people is almost irrelevant, an ability to read, analyse and remember is much more important.

What is happening now was signalled, is a strategy that is unfolding. When you know what a punji stick is you will be better able to understand for yourself.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 30, 2017, 12:29:38 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 30, 2017, 11:42:31 AM

Moby, when you shift yourself from your normal indolence and do a little reading you will note that I have done pretty well at calling the progress of Trump. It isn't hard. Trump almost always signals his intent. That one is brighter than most other people is almost irrelevant, an ability to read, analyse and remember is much more important.

What is happening now was signalled, is a strategy that is unfolding. When you know what a punji stick is you will be better able to understand for yourself.

I know well what a punji stick is FiFi . . . . . . . . .

I also know that by his rude and inappropriate comments, he just elevated two nondescript and irrelevant schlock morning news hosts onto the national stage.

He's "counter-punching" a beehive. . . . . . . . . . .

He's President of the United States for gawds sake. The way to hurt them is to just ignore them. Make them more irrelevant than they already are.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 30, 2017, 01:08:26 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 30, 2017, 12:29:38 PM

He's "counter-punching" a beehive. . . . . . . . . . .

He's President of the United States for gawds sake. The way to hurt them is to just ignore them. Make them more irrelevant than they already are.

I know you want a Jeb Bush type in the White House. He had a hundred
million dollars and still didn't get anybody to vote for him. Why does this
bother you so? I'm totally indifferent to it.

My guess is that you are intolerant to it because you watch too much of
the lefty media, which is like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer,
it feels so good when you stop.

Maybe it's because your lefty friends expect you to defend everything
Trump says and does? I would tell them that he forgot to run it by you
first. Whatever the reason just be glad you aren't one of the lefty lunatics
that are losing their minds. For me watching them hyperventilate, turn
purple and pass out makes it totally worth it.

Here is an example (Maxine is off her meds again)
Maxine Waters Wants President Trump Impeached AND Exiled
Democrat leader Auntie Maxine wants Trump impeached because he posts mean tweets.

(http://www.conservativeinfidel.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/801-maxine-waters-1200-730x480.png)

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/begins-democrat-leader-maxine-waters-wants-president-trump-impeached-exiled/

Whatever you want to say about the GOP, we don't have a Maxine Waters.
Sure we have one of them run from time to time but they never win.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 30, 2017, 01:19:37 PM

Quote from: Popka! on June 30, 2017, 01:08:26 PM

I know you want a Jeb Bush type in the White House. He had a hundred
million dollars and still didn't get anybody to vote for him. Why does this
bother you so? I'm totally indifferent to it.

My guess is that you are intolerant to it because you watch too much of
the lefty media, which is like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer,
it feels so good when you stop.

I had a mother and father who taught me what was appropriate behavior
and what was unacceptable behavior.

I won't apologize for that.

Trump has the potential to become one of the most constructive, influential and positive change Presidents in the history of the United States. He just has to stop shooting himself in the foot with his big mouth, iphone keyboard and junior-high schoolboy ego.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 30, 2017, 01:37:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 30, 2017, 01:19:37 PM

I had a mother and father who taught me what was appropriate behavior
and what was unacceptable behavior.

I won't apologize for that.

And because somebody else (not you) says something bad you need to worry?

Quote from: shakespear on June 30, 2017, 01:19:37 PM

Trump has the potential to become one of the most constructive, influential and positive change Presidents in the history of the United States. He just has to stop shooting himself in the foot with his big mouth, iphone keyboard and junior-high schoolboy ego.

With Trump you get what you get, he is who he is. Men pushing 70
years of age don't make big personality changes. Wringing your hands
isn't going to change anything.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 30, 2017, 02:00:12 PM

Quote from: Popka! on June 30, 2017, 01:37:05 PM

And because somebody else (not you) says something bad you need to worry?

No.

When it comes from the mouth (keyboard) of the President of the United States, absolutely. It was a totally inappropriate, ill mannered and childish statement. Totally beneath the stature of the office of President. My opinion - not influenced by anyone else.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 01, 2017, 05:27:35 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 30, 2017, 08:54:23 AM

He keeps making crazy, inappropriate and offensive tweets,

He has always done that.

I like some of what he stands for, some of what he says needs to be said (especially on the fake news), but in many other ways the bloke is a total clown. Especially on Twitter.

I maintain he was got to right after the election. Now he is a deep state puppet: He went back on his words on Syria (about turn) and is doing his best to poke North Korea with a pointy stick on Twitter. And they are not taking that well. He totally doesn't get their mindset.

Sooner or later he'll cause another proper war and continue the US worldwide terrorism roadshow we all know and love.

He is an old man now and somewhat of a boor. His big mouth, tweets or both may well land him in the crap yet.

I think his daughter will end up in the chair.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 01, 2017, 06:06:32 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 01, 2017, 05:27:35 PM

I think his daughter will end up in the chair.

Do you mean like Edith Wilson for President Woodrow Wilson?

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 01, 2017, 07:03:36 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 01, 2017, 05:27:35 PM

I think his daughter will end up in the chair.

Based on what? This isn't the royal family, if something happens to Trump
Mike Pence takes over. If something happens to Trump and Pence before
Pence picks another vice president then Paul Ryan takes over. There is no
scenario where they decide to let Ivanka drive the bus.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 01, 2017, 11:24:57 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 01, 2017, 05:27:35 PM

I like some of what he stands for, some of what he says needs to be said (especially on the fake news),

Seeing HE and his 'team' manage to generate most of it.. don't you find that ironic ?

Quote from: Manny on July 01, 2017, 05:27:35 PM

but in many other ways the bloke is a total clown. Especially on Twitter.

I maintain he was got to right after the election. Now he is a deep state puppet:

The 'let down' is presumably his attitude - not sure what it is yet - on Syria / Russia - for example ?

That is is a clown, was never in doubt - that SO many still cannot see that is what amazes me.

The 'deep state' !? I used to hear that term in the context of Turkey - and if they existed - they aren't having much influence, now.... More likely Trump got shown stuff that caused him to wake up...

Quote from: Manny on July 01, 2017, 05:27:35 PM

He went back on his words on Syria (about turn) and is doing his best to poke North Korea with a pointy stick on Twitter. And they are not taking that well. He totally doesn't get their mindset.

Ah, so it WAS Syria... He got real, more like and in the case of NK - I've not seen talking and rewarding NK for stopping being threatening working... in the past.. China really needs to get stronger with NK, too.

Quote from: Manny on July 01, 2017, 05:27:35 PM

Sooner or later he'll cause another proper war and continue the US worldwide terrorism roadshow we all know and love.

Strange, then that the conflicts nearest to home were started by a leader you 'respect' ...

Quote from: Manny on July 01, 2017, 05:27:35 PM

He is an old man now and somewhat of a boor. His big mouth, tweets or both may well land him in the crap yet.

I think his daughter will end up in the chair.

You know that's not how it works in America.. The USA has had plenty of as old/ older Presidents whose office seems to have earnt more respect.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on July 02, 2017, 01:42:04 AM

Quote from: Popka! on July 01, 2017, 07:03:36 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 01, 2017, 05:27:35 PM
I think his daughter will end up in the chair.

Based on what? This isn't the royal family, if something happens to Trump
Mike Pence takes over. If something happens to Trump and Pence before
Pence picks another vice president then Paul Ryan takes over. There is no
scenario where they decide to let Ivanka drive the bus.

I think Manny is hinting on a case of new elections either in 4 years or earlier.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 02, 2017, 04:27:09 AM

Quote from: Markje on July 02, 2017, 01:42:04 AM

I think Manny is hinting on a case of new elections either in 4 years or earlier.

So, Ivanka Trump v her mate Chelsea Clinton ? ...

Think we'll have to wait a few more years. yet

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on July 02, 2017, 08:21:57 AM

Quote from: msmoby on July 02, 2017, 04:27:09 AM

Quote from: Markje on July 02, 2017, 01:42:04 AM

I think Manny is hinting on a case of new elections either in 4 years or earlier.

So, Ivanka Trump v her mate Chelsea Clinton ? ...

Think we'll have to wait a few more years. yet

Fact is Trumpton is making a dick of himself Worldwide and this is reflecting on Americans as a whole. Get rid.

. Pro

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 02, 2017, 09:15:06 AM

The liberal media is crying Trump is bullying them, but there's no mention of bias journalism on their part.
So who's really to blame? Since his election Not just liberals, but some republicans as well have done nothing but undermine Trump's agenda.
Russia has to remain a fictional enemy, so Trump for now had to cave to the unsubstantiated Russian interference pressure.

Trump does need to stand up and make good on his promise to drain the swamp. By creating a less hostile working environment, he might be able to make some significant progress.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 02, 2017, 11:16:23 AM

Quote from: Ste on July 02, 2017, 08:21:57 AM

Fact is Trumpton is making a dick of himself Worldwide and this is reflecting on Americans as a whole. Get rid.

It's not an option, we have a constitutional republic. We don't decide to
hold new elections because somebody or even everybody isn't happy.
We elect our president for 4 year terms, our entire house of representatives
for two year terms, and our senate on staggered 6 year terms.

The president gets four years good, bad or indifferent to try to implement
his agenda and only then the public gets a chance to decide whether they
liked it or not.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 02, 2017, 11:39:53 AM

CNN's president Jeff Zucker said

"One of the things I think this administration hasn’t figured out yet is
that there’s only one television network that is seen in Beijing, Moscow,
Seoul, Tokyo, Pyongyang, Baghdad, Tehran and Damascus — and that’s
CNN," Zucker said.

"The perception of Donald Trump in capitals around the world is shaped,
in many ways, by CNN. Continuing to have an adversarial relationship
with that network is a mistake."₁

That could easily change. The president could just make a statement,
"If you have CNN fake news in your airport then we will need to decide
if you should still need foreign aid."

Sure, the press would scream like a 5 month old baby with a belly ache
and a crappy diaper, but Jeff Zucker wouldn't be long for this world at
CNN.

The U.S. disbursed $33.2 billion—$19 billion in economic assistance to
184 countries at least some of those countries would get CNN out of
their airports based on the comment alone. ₂

That's freaking CRAZY! why on gods green earth do 184 nations get money
from us? It's not like we don't have an out of control national debt.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/2005net_oda.PNG/1200px-2005net_oda.PNG)

The U.S. disbursed $33.2 billion—$19 billion in economic assistance to 184 countries

1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/01/19/cnns-president-has-fired-a-warning-shot-at-donald-trump/?utm_term=.d91905b7a6de
2. https://www.forbes.com/sites/othercomments/2014/10/15/u-s-gives-financial-aid-to-96-of-all-countries/#d51c528ccb9c

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 02, 2017, 11:48:51 AM

I assume that Zucker is taking a fairly parochial view in his comment because CNN is not the only widely distributed 'news' channel.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 02, 2017, 11:57:05 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 02, 2017, 11:48:51 AM

I assume that Zucker is taking a fairly parochial view in his comment because CNN is not the only widely distributed 'news' channel.

I was still editing my post while you made this comment, but I agree
CNN isn't the only widely distributed 'news' channel.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 02, 2017, 12:18:42 PM

Right now the administration is kicking back against the lies, distortion, and treason coming from much of the US mass media. The mass media, of course, doing their best to protect themselves and they wield a huge amount of power. For most USAians everything that they think they know about the world and current affairs comes from the mass media who have been engaged in heinous acts against the United States.

It is interesting to note that untrue and demeaning comments and statements made by media leaders and repeated as fact by outlets lower in the food chain are perfectly acceptable and yet when the president of the United States uses similar language on one occasion all hell breaks loose.

A couple of days ago I made reference to punji sticks and how knowledge of their use would be indicative for the ongoing situation. Well, this is it. What the administration has done is forced cognitive dissonance upon millions of Americans. Americans may be poorly served by their educators and 'news' media but they are not, in contrast to what CNN have said stupid.

What Trump and his team have done is shown the populace what the news media are doing. A light is being shone into the dark places that mass media and their controllers don't want to be illuminated. Several events are running in synchrony and the Tweets, carefully timed, are just a small part of the process of cleaning just a part of the swamp.

The timing, as is common with Trump serves more than one purpose but this is the most significant purpose, right now.

Americans are being forced to ask themselves how Thing X can be OK when almost identical Thing Y is bad, evil and should be condemned.

The answer from Americans is almost certain to be that what the news media have been doing has been bad, evil, and should be condemned.

At the same time we can see that the administration has started to use both carrot and stick to encourage better behaviour and higher standards from the mass media.

I expect that within the present term we will see the introduction of similar legislation to protect both the media and state as is now applicable in the RF.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on July 02, 2017, 05:33:42 PM

So, it seems Donny Trump's only friends in the world are state sponsors of terrorism. That says it all for me.

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on July 02, 2017, 05:57:28 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 02, 2017, 11:39:53 AM

CNN's president Jeff Zucker said

"One of the things I think this administration hasn’t figured out yet is
that there’s only one television network that is seen in Beijing, Moscow,
Seoul, Tokyo, Pyongyang, Baghdad, Tehran and Damascus — and that’s
CNN," Zucker said.

"The perception of Donald Trump in capitals around the world is shaped,
in many ways, by CNN. Continuing to have an adversarial relationship
with that network is a mistake."₁

I do not think there is a possibility to change his relationship with CNN. They are a part of the globalist news network like many western new outlets whose real intent is to destroy the USA so we can have a one world government. Trump is a nationalist. I can not see how there is any chance that Trump will ever get good coverage from CNN other than to adapt their platform. He is hurting CNN rating in the US and they are paying a price for there behavior. It is just money does not matter to these people so the continue there attack on Trump and nationalist movement.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 03, 2017, 07:45:32 AM

Texan77, whether one is an NWO conspiracy theorist or not the bottom line is money and power/influence.

What the Trump administration is now doing is raising the price for mass media dishonesty and treachery. If the price is made high enough then CNN and others will change their tune. Part of that price might be legislative, part of the price is clearly money and as we have seen, Team Trump have been engaged, the past few weeks, in pricing influence.

Success for Team Trump will come from raising the price of treachery in several dimensions. The mass media has strength in only a single dimension: power/influence. This is not a war that the mass media should expect to win.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 03, 2017, 10:49:35 AM

Quote from: Jerash on July 02, 2017, 05:33:42 PM

So, it seems Donny Trump's only friends in the world are state sponsors of terrorism. That says it all for me.

Why? Did he suddenly make a nuclear deal with Iran, helping them get Nukes?
or send his emissaries and political team to undermine the Israeli Prime minister
election? Did he embrace the Muslim Brotherhood? Did he tell UK that if they
voted to leave the EU that they would have to get in the back of the bus?

Did Trump single-handedly create ISIS? Did Trump send billions in Cash to
Iran which is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism?

When Trump did all these things did it say it all for you? or does it say it all
for you only when a politician right of center does it?

Is Israel a state sponsor of terror?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 05, 2017, 12:39:36 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 02, 2017, 12:18:42 PM

Right now the administration is kicking back against the lies, distortion, and treason coming from much of the US mass media. The mass media, of course, doing their best to protect themselves and they wield a huge amount of power. For most USAians everything that they think they know about the world and current affairs comes from the mass media who have been engaged in heinous acts against the United States.

It is interesting to note that untrue and demeaning comments and statements made by media leaders and repeated as fact by outlets lower in the food chain are perfectly acceptable and yet when the president of the United States uses similar language on one occasion all hell breaks loose.

A couple of days ago I made reference to punji sticks and how knowledge of their use would be indicative for the ongoing situation. Well, this is it. What the administration has done is forced cognitive dissonance upon millions of Americans. Americans may be poorly served by their educators and 'news' media but they are not, in contrast to what CNN have said stupid.

What Trump and his team have done is shown the populace what the news media are doing. A light is being shone into the dark places that mass media and their controllers don't want to be illuminated. Several events are running in synchrony and the Tweets, carefully timed, are just a small part of the process of cleaning just a part of the swamp.

The timing, as is common with Trump serves more than one purpose but this is the most significant purpose, right now.

Americans are being forced to ask themselves how Thing X can be OK when almost identical Thing Y is bad, evil and should be condemned.

The answer from Americans is almost certain to be that what the news media have been doing has been bad, evil, and should be condemned.

At the same time we can see that the administration has started to use both carrot and stick to encourage better behaviour and higher standards from the mass media.

I expect that within the present term we will see the introduction of similar legislation to protect both the media and state as is now applicable in the RF.

Very well written analysis. CNN in particular wishes to so badly discredit the Trump administration that they will stop at nothing to incite confusion, hatred and violence towards Trump and his followers.

If they succeeded in their mission to incite a civil war of sorts Trump would be wise to shut them down just as Lincoln shut down the press in his day and suspended habeas corpus.

Today on our day of Independence CNN showed their true vile nature and threatened to dox a 15 year old boy.

https://twitter.com/Rockprincess818/status/882469285028704257

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 05, 2017, 12:53:48 AM

Julian Assange opinion on this latest stunt by CNN.

https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/882474312296542208

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 05, 2017, 12:59:02 AM

Quote from: Popka! on July 02, 2017, 11:57:05 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 02, 2017, 11:48:51 AM
I assume that Zucker is taking a fairly parochial view in his comment because CNN is not the only widely distributed 'news' channel.

I was still editing my post while you made this comment, but I agree
CNN isn't the only widely distributed 'news' channel.

https://twitter.com/CnnMemes/status/882488223162880001

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 05, 2017, 01:15:41 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 05, 2017, 12:59:02 AM

https://twitter.com/CnnMemes/status/882488223162880001

(https://i.imgflip.com/1cj25d.jpg)

(https://i.imgflip.com/127i00.jpg)

(https://i.imgflip.com/1e0mib.jpg)

(http://2static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Trumper_1b507b_6093926.jpg)

(https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=imgres&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjng-a27PLUAhUV_WMKHXuIDxcQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fme.me%2Fi%2Fcnn-glorious-leader-ahead-30-polnts-in-polls-cnn-pete-2895323&psig=AFQjCNFds1FiiKCswt7DLxcAfuGIhPXLuQ&ust=1499368329327113)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 05, 2017, 02:25:37 PM

thanks Popka, funny stuff. tiphat ;D :king: ;D

So Trump is going to Poland shortly and because Poland has also become very Nationalist in their efforts to save their culture from the radical Islam apologists in Berlin they are rolling out a very big welcome for Trump. I suspect he will eat it up and furthermore the relationship w/ Merkel and company will get colder and colder.

Trump will also have a meeting w/ Putin on the side but unfortunately TPTB have done all to ruin possibilities and will continue their autistic screeching over any and all possibilities for a warm constructive relationship w/ Russia.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/poland-prepares-absolutely-huge-welcome-for-trump-1499247006

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 05, 2017, 02:44:26 PM

NY Times article on the upcoming meeting w/ Putin.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/05/us/politics/trump-poland-germany-g20-putin.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on July 06, 2017, 01:00:32 PM

Nice one Agata!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 06, 2017, 01:45:13 PM

Quote from: Ste on July 06, 2017, 01:00:32 PM

Nice one Agata!!

Trump is a bit awkward at times. He should have known she would wish to shake Melania's hand first.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 06, 2017, 01:49:13 PM

Quote from: Ste on July 06, 2017, 01:00:32 PM

Nice one Agata!!

Laughable, proper etiquette that a hostess greet the woman
first and then the man.

As the wife of the Polish President, she was the hostess. She
was being perfectly polite, not snubbing Trump in any way.

Trump did make a slight mistake by pulling back his hand instead
of keeping it extended. 0.5 on a 1 (slight) to 10 (major) flaw scale.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 06, 2017, 03:34:53 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 06, 2017, 01:49:13 PM

Quote from: Ste on July 06, 2017, 01:00:32 PM
Nice one Agata!!

Laughable, proper etiquette that a hostess greet the woman
first and then the man.

As the wife of the Polish President, she was the hostess. She
was being perfectly polite, not snubbing Trump in any way.

Trump did make a slight mistake by pulling back his hand instead
of keeping it extended. 0.5 on a 1 (slight) to 10 (major) flaw scale.

I did not care for the way Trump behaved the last time around when he pushed his way to the front of the pack like a bully. The man needs to relax and learn some grace. He gets defensive in certain situations. He's POTUS by God and hopefully will learn to be more graceful and smooth soon.

However I agree with you on your rating of this little faux pas. Not a big deal, unless you're Ste. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on July 06, 2017, 03:54:40 PM

Quote from: Ste on July 06, 2017, 01:00:32 PM

Nice one Agata!!

I thought you'd like this short clip. All the media on Facebook are running stories on it like it's an issue.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on July 06, 2017, 09:00:25 PM

Quote from: rosco on July 06, 2017, 03:54:40 PM

Quote from: Ste on July 06, 2017, 01:00:32 PM
Nice one Agata!!

I thought you'd like this short clip. All the media on Facebook are running stories on it like it's an issue.....

I would think that he would have a protocol officer.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 07, 2017, 01:44:18 AM

When I wrote about 'punji sticks' and how the US mass media was being set up to fall into a poisoned trap I was making a guess. It was an informed guess based upon what I know of the art of war and how arrogance makes us blind (hubris).

Everything that has come out of CNN since then has supported my intuition. It is arrogance that has led to CNN publicly blackmailing a member of the public. It is arrogance that caused Zucker to publicly threaten the office of the president of the United States. It is arrogance that is now leading to dramatically falling ratings for headline shows.

Team Trump does not need to take on the entire media. CNN is enough, the example that will instruct.

It isn't as though there was no warning. Even we spectators watching in the civilised world could see the warnings being given. Certainly there was communication and signalling direct to CNN; arrogance caused CNN to ignore the warnings. I am sure that Team Trump expected those warnings to be ignored.

How far will this go? I do not know. But I expect that we will see significantly higher standards of journalistic integrity, particularly in respect of the way in which the media respect the leader and head of state of the country that enables their presence and activity.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 07, 2017, 03:13:34 AM

Another question worth asking is; does the general (American) population even want journalism?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 07, 2017, 03:21:38 AM

Given the effect upon ratings that CNN is now seeing, I think we can safely infer that the populace is starting to reject what they now understand CNN gives them. That's a good sign.

Here's a thing, if the only Scotch you ever had the chance to taste was Red Label then you'd drink Red Label. You'd probably not want to go back to Red Label once you had tried a nice Glenfiddich.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 07, 2017, 04:05:23 AM

As our resident messenger missed this...Interesting that some folks 'hero' ( POTUS) is now telling Russia to stop interfering in Ukraine...just before he meets Putin for the first time as POTUS.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 07, 2017, 08:06:06 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 07, 2017, 03:21:38 AM

Given the effect upon ratings that CNN is now seeing, I think we can safely infer that the populace is starting to reject what they now understand CNN gives them. That's a good sign.

Here's a thing, if the only Scotch you ever had the chance to taste was Red Label then you'd drink Red Label. You'd probably not want to go back to Red Label once you had tried a nice Glenfiddich.

Glenfiddich a great single malt and a favorite.

Trump and Putin met and the body language looked friendly to me. TPTB don't want a friendly relationship w/ Russia sadly. No evidence of collusion at all w/ Russia.

Plenty of evidence that the DNC colluded with Mexico for votes from illegals and drug cartels. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 07, 2017, 08:11:50 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 07, 2017, 03:13:34 AM

Another question worth asking is; does the general (American) population even want journalism?

Which part of America? Flyover states have woke and want real journalism. East and West coast conservatives although in the minority in the coastal large metropolitan areas want it but journalists ignore them. At their own peril. CNN has taken a huge nosedive in ratings and will continue to be pummeled by 4 chan and others via twitter.

Many Americans have woke to corporate control of our media by only a few conglomerations and want much better.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 07, 2017, 02:17:06 PM

Western media seems to be focused only on Trump questioning Putin about election interfering.
The meeting was most likely better than the establishment would have liked to see.

‘Positive chemistry’ between Trump & Putin at first meeting – Tillerson

https://www.rt.com/usa/395641-trump-putin-russia-interference/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 07, 2017, 02:34:49 PM

Wisely, the leaders, (I suspect D. Trump) kept the others present to almost no one. 2 Translators Tillerson and I believe Lavrov.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 07, 2017, 02:46:25 PM

Trump accepts Putin's claims that Russia did not meddle in US election, says Russian foreign minister

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world-0/us-politics/trump-putin-election-meddling-accepts-claims-russian-hacking-g20-meeting-rex-tillerson-a7829871.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 07, 2017, 03:49:30 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 07, 2017, 03:21:38 AM

Here's a thing, if the only Scotch you ever had the chance to taste was Red Label then you'd drink Red Label. You'd probably not want to go back to Red Label once you had tried a nice Glenfiddich.

I only drink Laphoaig or Ardbeg.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on July 07, 2017, 04:48:58 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 07, 2017, 03:49:30 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 07, 2017, 03:21:38 AM
Here's a thing, if the only Scotch you ever had the chance to taste was Red Label then you'd drink Red Label. You'd probably not want to go back to Red Label once you had tried a nice Glenfiddich.

I only drink Laphoaig or Ardbeg.

Sláinte mhaith!!

. Pro

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 07, 2017, 06:21:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 07, 2017, 03:49:30 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 07, 2017, 03:21:38 AM
Here's a thing, if the only Scotch you ever had the chance to taste was Red Label then you'd drink Red Label. You'd probably not want to go back to Red Label once you had tried a nice Glenfiddich.

I only drink Laphoaig or Ardbeg.

Let one up each other,

I only drink Yamazaki 50 Year Old except when I am slumming, then I
drink Macallan 40 Year Old Sherry Cask Highland.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 07, 2017, 11:19:44 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 07, 2017, 06:21:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 07, 2017, 03:49:30 PM
Quote from: andrewfi on July 07, 2017, 03:21:38 AM
Here's a thing, if the only Scotch you ever had the chance to taste was Red Label then you'd drink Red Label. You'd probably not want to go back to Red Label once you had tried a nice Glenfiddich.

I only drink Laphoaig or Ardbeg.

Let one up each other,

I only drink Yamazaki 50 Year Old except when I am slumming, then I
drink Macallan 40 Year Old Sherry Cask Highland.

I only drink artesian well water; my current favorite is Icelandic. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 08, 2017, 02:14:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 07, 2017, 11:19:44 PM

I only drink artesian well water; my current favorite is Icelandic. :chuckle:

One up, challenge accepted :)

I only drink artesian well water from the navel of a 20 year old Icelandic virgin
(there are only 4 of them in Iceland)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XDLnpGlOHFU/SO_E1bWs9XI/AAAAAAAABrg/twKy9OSagUI/s400/iceland1.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 08, 2017, 02:17:58 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 08, 2017, 02:14:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 07, 2017, 11:19:44 PM

I only drink artesian well water; my current favorite is Icelandic. :chuckle:

One up, challenge accepted :)

I only drink artesian well water from the navel of a 20 year old Icelandic virgin
(there are only 4 of them in Iceland)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XDLnpGlOHFU/SO_E1bWs9XI/AAAAAAAABrg/twKy9OSagUI/s400/iceland1.jpg)

I only drink milk from the last virgin of Mecca.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 08, 2017, 02:23:05 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 08, 2017, 02:17:58 PM

I only drink milk from the last virgin of Mecca.

Are you sure that she hasn't already been spoiled?

(http://cdn.vkool.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/raw-goat-milk-benefits.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 08, 2017, 02:26:56 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 08, 2017, 02:23:05 PM

Are you sure that she hasn't already been spoiled?

tiphat

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 08, 2017, 05:16:58 PM

Liberal savant, prodigy and intellectual Maxine Waters said that she
was going to take her gloves off against Trump possibly indicating
that she intends to travel even further down the liberal nut-job path.

Maxine Waters: ‘I’m taking the gloves off’ on Trump

read all about it here
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/341098-maxine-waters-im-taking-the-gloves-off-on-trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 08, 2017, 07:51:53 PM

Putin: Trump different than on TV, we can restore relations with US

https://www.rt.com/news/395734-putin-g20-summit-presser/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 08, 2017, 10:07:16 PM

Trump's learning how to play the game some think. I think he's known all along he needs distract them with his right hand (tweeting) and do the Art of the Deal with his left. This especially applies to Russia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 09, 2017, 05:20:43 AM

Quote from: Maxx on July 08, 2017, 10:07:16 PM

Trump's learning how to play the game some think. I think he's known all along he needs distract them with his right hand (tweeting) and do the Art of the Deal with his left. This especially applies to Russia.

and some STILL think .. he doesn't think at all, Maxx ! ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 09, 2017, 08:16:30 AM

Quote from: msmoby on July 09, 2017, 05:20:43 AM

Quote from: Maxx on July 08, 2017, 10:07:16 PM
Trump's learning how to play the game some think. I think he's known all along he needs distract them with his right hand (tweeting) and do the Art of the Deal with his left. This especially applies to Russia.

and some STILL think .. he doesn't think at all, Maxx ! ;)

He's crafty Moby, just like me. I get everyone to think I am a dummy (ask Andrew and Volshe) and meanwhile I am working the deal :chuckle: Trump will Make America Great Again and save the planet from the New World Order's Globalist's agenda.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 10, 2017, 11:16:14 AM

Enjoy your daily meme in the Trump vs. CNN meme war. :)

https://twitter.com/REALDANIELGLENN/status/882498393150455809

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 10, 2017, 12:55:03 PM

Number of times Trump returned Churchill's bust to the UK = 0

(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/GettyImages-632244198-1280x720.jpg)

Number of times Trump bowed to various dignitaries = 0
(https://my2bucks.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/bow-obama-1.jpg)(http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Obama-Bows.jpeg)

Number of people Trump sent to Israel to interfere in their elections = 0
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/B8PFZp-euoA/hqdefault.jpg)

Number of people who lost their Health Care because of Trump = 0
(https://www.mylifestages.org/imageServlet/imageName/BLOG-gz7mxa99.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 10, 2017, 02:40:46 PM

Isn't it wonderful to finally have a US President that makes a speech in a foreign country which praises American exceptionalism rather than apologizes for it . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 10, 2017, 03:38:07 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 10, 2017, 02:40:46 PM

Isn't it wonderful to finally have a US President that makes a speech in a foreign country which praises American exceptionalism rather than apologizes for it . . . . . . . . .

Agree 100%.

Now please tell me when this clown and freak show is going to end?

Somebody needs to go to jail and it isn't anyone on Trump's side. :GRRRR:

https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/884526321296179200

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 10, 2017, 07:22:49 PM

The same day in Europe. Where would you rather live?

https://twitter.com/minnman47/status/884201878250295296

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 10, 2017, 07:29:57 PM

Comedian Rob Schneider crushes CNN. Sorry Rob but it won't change anytime soon.

https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/883112438568235008

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 10, 2017, 09:34:07 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 10, 2017, 07:22:49 PM

The same day in Europe. Where would you rather live?

https://twitter.com/minnman47/status/884201878250295296

And people wonder why the Visegrád Group have no interest in "sharing" in the "Cultural Enrichment" that is, ahem, exploding all over the rest of Europe....

:smileysherlock:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 11, 2017, 12:51:30 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 10, 2017, 09:34:07 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 10, 2017, 07:22:49 PM
The same day in Europe. Where would you rather live?

https://twitter.com/minnman47/status/884201878250295296

And people wonder why the Visegrád Group have no interest in "sharing" in the "Cultural Enrichment" that is, ahem, exploding all over the rest of Europe....

:smileysherlock:

B/B

All is not lost-- yet. Many Polizei are black belts in Tai Kwon Do. Many military men are ready to fight as well. Not sure what it's going to take for a coup d'etat in Germany which results in military law and some serious ass kicking of those who are begging for it but when the dam bursts it's going to be epic.

https://twitter.com/TheHangingChads/status/883463425317371905

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on July 11, 2017, 01:37:46 AM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170711/d57807457b89ccfcd479394d6ddbf2e6.jpg)

. Pro

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on July 11, 2017, 03:03:25 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 07, 2017, 03:49:30 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 07, 2017, 03:21:38 AM
Here's a thing, if the only Scotch you ever had the chance to taste was Red Label then you'd drink Red Label. You'd probably not want to go back to Red Label once you had tried a nice Glenfiddich.

I only drink Laphoaig or Ardbeg.

You obviously like the smokey numbers and these distilleries are pretty much neighbours on the beautiful island of Islay.

I personally prefer a speyside but just across the water from Islay is Jura, who do an excellent number that isn't smokey/peaty. You can only buy it on the island or in duty free but it's triple casked with a sherry/port/cognac finish.

Worth a try.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 11, 2017, 08:13:23 AM

Quote from: Ste on July 11, 2017, 01:37:46 AM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170711/d57807457b89ccfcd479394d6ddbf2e6.jpg)

Obviously fake but for every one of those I can find 5 Hillary quotes which have been proven to be real.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEZcSmwXUAI5Kc0.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 11, 2017, 02:02:08 PM

Trump's son just provided the Democrats EXACTLY what
they needed to link him to collusion with the Russian government.

It's the frickin' "Keystone Cops"

NOBODY can be this politically naive -

REALLY . . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 11, 2017, 02:03:59 PM

Quote from: Ste on July 11, 2017, 01:37:46 AM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170711/d57807457b89ccfcd479394d6ddbf2e6.jpg)

Do a little fact checking before posting.

It is a completely bogus quote.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 11, 2017, 02:11:51 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 11, 2017, 02:02:08 PM

Trump's son just provided the Democrats EXACTLY what
they needed to link him to collusion with the Russian government.

It's the frickin' "Keystone Cops"

NOBODY can be this politically naive -

REALLY . . . . . . . . . . . .

Do you actually read about this stuff or just jump right in?
Yeah, I know the answer to that one!

Do you know who Trump Jr. actually spoke to?
Did you see who she ACTUALLY works for?
Did you see what she was actually after?
Did you read what Trump Jr. said about the meeting?

:'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 11, 2017, 03:50:38 PM

Doesn't seem to be any evidence of Russia providing any dirt on Clinton.
Everything the liberal media is saying has nothing to do with actual collusion. Had there been any substantial proof it would have been all over the media months ago.
What the liberal media puts out is just liberal BS.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 11, 2017, 08:55:52 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 11, 2017, 02:11:51 PM

Do you actually read about this stuff or just jump right in?
Yeah, I know the answer to that one!

Do you know who Trump Jr. actually spoke to?
Did you see who she ACTUALLY works for?
Did you see what she was actually after?
Did you read what Trump Jr. said about the meeting?

Yes I've read all I need to read.

Having the judgement to avoid even the appearance of impropriety is a necessary quality for someone in a leadership position in the US Executive Branch of government.

Trump Jr. KNEW that the woman was purporting to represent the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT and provide dirt on Hillary Clinton and he scheduled and took the meeting anyway. Only two possible options: first he is a complete and totally politically naïve person or second he is a total idiot. His moral alarm should have been going off full blast when he was told of this opportunity. The fact that it DIDN'T raise a warning flag to him substantiates that he doesn't have the moral compass needed to be in a position of power in the White House.

Trump should fire him immediately!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 11, 2017, 11:36:04 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 11, 2017, 08:55:52 PM

Only two possible options: first he is a complete and totally politically naïve person or second he is a total idiot. His moral alarm should have been going off full blast when he was told of this opportunity. The fact that it DIDN'T raise a warning flag to him substantiates that he doesn't have the moral compass needed to be in a position of power in the White House.

Trump should fire him immediately!

Quote

Assange, who has long advocated for government transparency and encouraged leakers around the world, then said that leaking the emails anonymously would have been “safer” for Trump Jr., and that by doing so himself it’s now “easier” for the emails to be used as evidence.

Trump Jr apparently just shot himself in the foot.

Trump Senior should get every family member, except his wife, out of the White House. I didn't vote for Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump or Don Jr. These slicksters don't help Senior one bit.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/280pb3m.jpg)

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We see one truly solid takeaway from the story of the day: Donald Trump Jr. is an idiot.

In the heat of your father’s presidential campaign, a bozo British publicist e-mails you to set up a sitdown with a “Russian government attorney” promising “documents and information” to “incriminate Hillary” courtesy of the “Crown prosecutor of Russia” as “part of” the Russian government’s “support” for dad — and you eagerly take the meeting.
“If it’s what you say I love it,” wrote Junior. As if the government of former KGB spymaster Vladimir Putin would do anything so clumsy. (Our former colleague Kyle Smith put it nicely: “Don Jr. is why Nigerian e-mail scammers keep trying their luck.”) [ :ROFL:]

Worse, he dragged brother-in-law Jared Kushner and then-campaign chief Paul Manafort into the meeting, which proved to be a bid by a Moscow fixer to undo a US law causing trouble for her clients. (Reportedly, Kushner walked out within 10 minutes while Manafort did work on his phone.)

Oh, and someone was so careless with the e-mail trail that it all wound up being fed to The New York Times, for days of headlines that (at best) undermine President Trump’s agenda as both health and tax reform hang in the balance in Congress.

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. As were Junior’s shifting, incomplete accounts of the meeting under days of Times questioning.

Democrats and the media are frothing to find something criminal in it all, with the most unhinged talking treason. What it clearly was, was criminally stupid.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 12, 2017, 09:53:04 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 11, 2017, 08:55:52 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 11, 2017, 02:11:51 PM

Do you actually read about this stuff or just jump right in?
Yeah, I know the answer to that one!

Do you know who Trump Jr. actually spoke to?
Did you see who she ACTUALLY works for?
Did you see what she was actually after?
Did you read what Trump Jr. said about the meeting?

Yes I've read all I need to read.

Having the judgement to avoid even the appearance of impropriety is a necessary quality for someone in a leadership position in the US Executive Branch of government.

Trump Jr. KNEW that the woman was purporting to represent the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT and provide dirt on Hillary Clinton and he scheduled and took the meeting anyway. Only two possible options: first he is a complete and totally politically naïve person or second he is a total idiot. His moral alarm should have been going off full blast when he was told of this opportunity. The fact that it DIDN'T raise a warning flag to him substantiates that he doesn't have the moral compass needed to be in a position of power in the White House.

Trump should fire him immediately!

More blathering from our resident RINO. While it's not a perfect situation it's only been discovered because Congress is run by a bunch of RINO nincompoop's like you.

From the first day Congress should have initiated an investigation into Hillary's multiple felonies in regards to the email scandal and Susan Rice should have also been investigated for doing Obama's bidding and unmasking people against the law. Obama himself should have his pension cancelled due to profiteering from the Presidency and this may yet happen.

The Trump Jr. situation is yet another "nothing burger" being served up by a Kangaroo court run by Dummocraps and it never ceases to amaze me when people fall for this nonsense.

Either back our properly elected President and urge Congress to end this nonsense or switch parties. :coffeeread:

Well Lookie Here=> Russian Lawyer Veselnitskaya is Pictured with Obama Ambassador to Russia – 8 Days After Trump Jr. Mtg.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/well-lookie-russian-lawyer-veselnitskaya-pictured-obama-ambassador-russia-8-days-trump-jr-mtg/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 12, 2017, 10:14:19 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 12, 2017, 09:53:04 AM

Well Lookie Here=> Russian Lawyer Veselnitskaya is Pictured with Obama Ambassador to Russia – 8 Days After Trump Jr. Mtg.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/well-lookie-russian-lawyer-veselnitskaya-pictured-obama-ambassador-russia-8-days-trump-jr-mtg/

McFaul was an idiot no doubt however he was the United States Ambassador
to Russia from 2012–14. Then he went back to Stanford to "mold young minds"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 12, 2017, 10:41:48 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 12, 2017, 09:53:04 AM

The Trump Jr. situation is yet another "nothing burger" being served up by a Kangaroo court run by Dummocraps and it never ceases to amaze me when people fall for this nonsense.

They're desperately trying to overturn the election results. They need to form a support group: "Democrats Against Democracy!"

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 12, 2017, 10:59:15 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 12, 2017, 10:41:48 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 12, 2017, 09:53:04 AM
The Trump Jr. situation is yet another "nothing burger" being served up by a Kangaroo court run by Dummocraps and it never ceases to amaze me when people fall for this nonsense.

They're desperately trying to overturn the election results. They need to form a support group: "Democrats Against Democracy!"

B/B

How about "Progressives against Progress!" :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 12, 2017, 01:14:39 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 12, 2017, 09:53:04 AM

The Trump Jr. situation is yet another "nothing burger" being served up by a Kangaroo court run by Dummocraps and it never ceases to amaze me when people fall for this nonsense.

Either back our properly elected President and urge Congress to end this nonsense or switch parties. :coffeeread:

I believe the meeting actually turned out to be a "nothing burger" arranged under false pretense.

However "taking" the meeting under those circumstances displays such incredible poor judgement and complete political naiveté that it should disqualify the person from serving in the White House Staff.

An average junior high school student would have the moral judgement required to understand that a meeting with a representative of the Russian government who is going to provide damaging information on your political opponent has the potential to blow up in your face like a stick of dynamite.

Trump Jr must be a real dumb ass to fall for this poorly baited trap . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 12, 2017, 01:25:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 12, 2017, 01:14:39 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 12, 2017, 09:53:04 AM
The Trump Jr. situation is yet another "nothing burger" being served up by a Kangaroo court run by Dummocraps and it never ceases to amaze me when people fall for this nonsense.

Either back our properly elected President and urge Congress to end this nonsense or switch parties. :coffeeread:

I believe the meeting actually turned out to be a "nothing burger" arranged under false pretense.

However "taking" the meeting under those circumstances displays such incredible poor judgement and complete political naiveté that it should disqualify the person from serving in the White House Staff.

An average junior high school student would have the moral judgement required to understand that a meeting with a representative of the Russian government who is going to provide damaging information on your political opponent has the potential to blow up in your face like a stick of dynamite.

Trump Jr must be a real dumb ass to fall for this poorly baited trap . . . . . . . .

100% :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 12, 2017, 02:09:33 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 12, 2017, 01:14:39 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 12, 2017, 09:53:04 AM
The Trump Jr. situation is yet another "nothing burger" being served up by a Kangaroo court run by Dummocraps and it never ceases to amaze me when people fall for this nonsense.

Either back our properly elected President and urge Congress to end this nonsense or switch parties. :coffeeread:

I believe the meeting actually turned out to be a "nothing burger" arranged under false pretense.

However "taking" the meeting under those circumstances displays such incredible poor judgement and complete political naiveté that it should disqualify the person from serving in the White House Staff.

An average junior high school student would have the moral judgement required to understand that a meeting with a representative of the Russian government who is going to provide damaging information on your political opponent has the potential to blow up in your face like a stick of dynamite.

Trump Jr must be a real dumb ass to fall for this poorly baited trap . . . . . . . .

Sure, he learned an important lesson. But wait, there's more proof. Rather than blaming Trump, how bouts Congress goes after the perpetrators of yet another dishonest FRAUD committed by the Obama regime and company?

PS...Don Jr. does not serve in the White House staff in any capacity, does he? (I really don't know)

(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/19961174_171176576756461_3342542810408211048_n.jpg?oh=e2af6a50e4f78267dfcafe0667a62dca&oe=59C73863)

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rw_recruiter on July 12, 2017, 02:54:38 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 12, 2017, 02:09:33 PM

PS...Don Jr. does not serve in the White House staff in any capacity, does he? (I really don't know)

No, I do not believe he does. Trump should send him away to avoid any potential issues.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 12, 2017, 04:38:35 PM

Shakespear, you DO know that what you are writing is factually incorrect, don't you?

Why do it?

If you don't know that what you are writing is simply untrue then take the time to catch up with the rest of us. It won't take you long, it is relatively uncomplicated.

Its the cognitive dissonance thing again, isn't it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 12, 2017, 06:07:33 PM

Here is an article about Wolf Blitzer on the Peoples Cube, the ultimate satirical website.

Donate!! Volunteer compliance is mandatory! ;D

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/topic19569.html

The Wolf Who Cried Trump - A Craptek Fable

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Once upon a time there was an aging CNN news reader called Wolf. Each day he would read a prepared script, then huff and puff and call on his panel of experts for comment. Wolf fancied himself a journalist though some considered him a pompous ass. His corporate masters, on the other hand, were interested only in the revenue Wolf generated for CNN. Therefore, they paid close attention to the viewing habits of his fans, who, like sparrows at a bird feeder, gathered daily to watch The Wolf - trusty pad and pen in hand - assume a defiant newsman stance, stare solemnly into the camera lens and shout Breaking News! over the ever present din of CNN's pitter-pattering electronic NEWS Bongos.™

But time passed and The Wolf's loyal fans grew restless. They wearied of his colorless monotone. They tired of his expressionless stare. Many switched to reading blogs, others to drugs, and soon The Wolf's loyal fan base had dwindled to a precious few.

The loss of advertising revenue did not go unnoticed at CNN Corporate. Before long there were aspiring young Columbia School of Journalism graduates in spike heels seen milling outside the Director of Personnel's office. The Wolf noticed and was concerned. His concern soon turned to worry, and worry to fear. At night he tossed and turned, unable to sleep. "What will become of me," he asked repeatedly of the darkness. "Who will lead my people,... who will announce the Breaking News! to them?" But no answer came forth from the darkness.

One night after tossing and turning for hours, sleeping fitfully and soaked in perspiration, The Wolf was startled to full wakefulness by the sound of a monotone voice screaming TRUMP! He sat up blinking, listening intently, but the room was still. Exhausted, he lay back, gradually falling into a deep sleep and dreaming of better days. In the dream his anguish turned outward as though searching for its very own cause.

Suddenly, in a blinding flash of insight all was clear, palpable, the cause of his misery was TRUMP! He hated Trump. Yes, but Trump, ironically, was the key to his future. He slept soundly the rest of that night and awoke refreshed and inspired.

The Wolf planned his day carefully and after breakfast rushed to the CNN studio where he burst into the main lobby screaming TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP at the top of his lungs. His fellow journalists gathered round him asking, "What is it... what is Trump up to now... is he coming after us again,... what,... what?" They followed The Wolf to his office asking and begging all the way for more Trump news, anything they could twist into an eye catching story. But their pleas went largely unanswered. The Wolf sat expressionless in his simulated leather upholstered highchair behind a massive desk offering only an occasional monotone grunt of acknowledgment. The growing throng of journalists in The Wolf's office eventually drew the attention of CNN Corporate. "He's back!" they giggled. "Oh, happy day! Oh, happy day!"

But the joy at CNN was short lived and soon the crowds of journalists following The Wolf thinned and disappeared. So did his latest loyal viewers. He was left sitting in his office alone. "I must try again!" he screamed in total frustration. "Trump is a menace to all humanity - someone must alert the people - someone must proclaim the Breaking News! Without hesitation The Wolf stood, strode briskly from his office, and began marching up and down the halls of CNN yelling TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP as loud as his monotonal vocal cords would permit.

It was an inspiring sight that attracted much interest and concern. "Is it Trump again... is it?" the gathering throng asked. "What is he up to now? Is he attacking someone we know? What's he doing now?" they implored. But again The Wolf had no real answers and the crowd around him gradually drifted away. He was once again alone. And when he marched through the halls of CNN the following day screaming TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP no-one seemed to care or even notice.

Without The Wolf to shout Breaking News! daily to the masses, Trump quickly ascended to his rightful place as WTF. (World Tyrant the First) Some time later, upon becoming Earth's first multi-trillionaire, Trump opined, "A liar will not be believed, even when he speaks the truth."

The End

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/various_uploads/Wolf_Blitzer_Sheeps_Clothing.jpg)

Also see former Dear Leader Barack Obama"s Legacy (Purged in the last election along with Hillary Clinton. ;D)

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/barack-obama-s-legacy-t19570.html

And so it is written that the former President Barock Hussein Obama; aka Mr. Hope and Change; the First Community Organizer; the messiah of “if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor”; the Prophet of Post-Racial America; The Great Father; the Angel of Peace; the Elder of the Tribe; The Prophet; The Redeemer; The Wise One; The Halfrican; the Lord of the Flies; the Great Divider and FREE Cell Phone Provider; the ghost and conscience of all those folks that stayed home and didn’t vote; and, The One who had sojourned into the south Pacific for nearly a month before he came back to give us more Truth. O hail and all praise to the spiritual leader of millions, Obi-Wan-Nairobi.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 12, 2017, 06:29:54 PM

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Current_Truth_Flash_Indian_Not.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 12, 2017, 06:49:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 12, 2017, 01:14:39 PM

I believe the meeting actually turned out to be a "nothing burger" arranged under false pretense.

However "taking" the meeting under those circumstances displays such incredible poor judgement and complete political naiveté that it should disqualify the person from serving in the White House Staff.

Surely you know that Don Jr doesn't serve on the White House staff
or the US government in any capacity.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 12, 2017, 07:36:41 PM

Quote from: rw_recruiter on July 12, 2017, 02:54:38 PM

No, I do not believe he does. Trump should send him away to avoid any potential issues.

Apparently he does not. I thought he was some kind of special advisor to the President. Thank gawd he doesn't. He obviously doesn't have the temperament, moral compass or political experience for such a job.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 12, 2017, 07:55:24 PM

Funny how the media can pretty much use all sources known to man to dig up crap then publish it. The liberal media's goal was to sway the election, and had there been any collusion prior to the election it would have been published wouldn't have mattered the source.
I don't know how much longer the democrats can keep the Russian interference going? Most likely will be far into Trump's second term.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 12, 2017, 08:57:26 PM

Funny stuff ?Many Questions?!!! ;D ;D ;D

from the first link above (The wolf who cried Trump, Trump, Trump...)

Obama's reckless attacks on Russia serve as recruitment tool to create more Russian hackers

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 14, 2017, 03:23:10 PM

As I accurately predicted upthread "Pandora's box" is now
opened and Russians are coming out of the woodwork to
expose Trump Junior as a very bad liar and a man of extremely
poor judgement.

How many times can the man expect to change his story?

Laughable. Keystone Cops. Naivete' of the first order.

He is singularly keeping the Russia-Russia-Russia news item
on the front page of the liberal press and has launched a torpedo
directly amidship of his fathers political agenda.

Congratulations President Trump on having a really, really dumb son.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rw_recruiter on July 14, 2017, 04:28:47 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 14, 2017, 03:23:10 PM

Laughable. Keystone Cops. Naivete' of the first order.

He is singularly keeping the Russia-Russia-Russia news item
on the front page of the liberal press and has launched a torpedo
directly amidship of his fathers political agenda.

Makes you wonder if he is really that stupid or if there is something going on elsewhere and this is meant as a distraction?

The same for Trumps tweets. Yes, he is an arrogant, attention craving man, but he does have some of the brightest minds behind his operations.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 14, 2017, 04:29:55 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 14, 2017, 03:23:10 PM

Laughable. Keystone Cops. Naivete' of the first order.

I know several teenage girls who don't whine nearly as much as you do.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 16, 2017, 09:16:41 AM

John McCain is holding up progress, again. I pray for the day when this loser resigns and is replaced by a better man. Some may not know his history but a lot of Veterans don't care for him and believe he only received his commission because he was an Admiral's son. They say he sang like a canary after being captured. I empathize with him on his time in captivity as he was tortured very badly. But it's time for him to retire so that Congress can get more done.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mccain’s-surgery-will-delay-senate-votes-on-health-care-bill/ar-BBEuHxb?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 16, 2017, 06:05:23 PM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 16, 2017, 06:28:48 PM

WANTED: anonymous sources - exciting new career opportunity! by Commisarka Pinkie

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/wanted-anonymous-sources-exciting-new-career-opportunity-t19455.html

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Do you hate Donald Trump?

Is your lifelong dream to destroy his presidency? Do you live for nothing else these days?

Are you looking for a flexible job that requires little effort while allowing you to be as outrageous as you want? Do you enjoy throwing stuff at the wall and watching it slide down to the floor leaving a trail of slime?

Then mainstream media outlets, especially the New York Times and Washington Post, would like to offer you a position as an ANONYMOUS SOURCE!

Choose from a wide variety of openings in this exciting and dynamic new career field, with glamorous job titles ranging from Russian diplomat to one of James Comey’s third grade classmates. Or just be an anonymous source who confirms information provided by another anonymous source. You don’t even have to see it to confirm it.

All you have to do is conjure up something unfavorable to Trump and phone it in to the mainstream media’s Get Trump Hotline. Anything goes—and don’t worry about pesky little things like facts or logic. The MSM will take care of repeating your revelations ad nauseam until they are hammered into stone as irrefutable facts, after which no one will care about logic.

No training required. No experience necessary. You don’t even have to fill out an application or get all dressed up for an interview. Just pick up the phone and call with whatever dirt you can fling at Trump, and NYT and WaPo will do the rest. It’s just that easy!

Best of all, you can do it without ever having to leave the comfort of your parents’ basement! Operators are standing by, so call their Get Trump Hotline now—and get Trump!

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 17, 2017, 02:27:09 AM

Nice magazine cover. Where does one subscribe or is it newsstand only?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2017, 08:42:57 AM

And now a small bit of entertainment. :popcorn:

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2017, 08:52:14 AM

And another one bites the dust. Will American "journalists" cover this story? Probably not. :coffeeread:

Klaus Eberwein, a former Haitian government official who was expected to expose the extent of Clinton Foundation corruption and malpractice next week, has been found dead in Miami. He was 50.

Eberwein was due to appear next Tuesday before the Haitian Senate Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission where he was widely expected to testify that the Clinton Foundation misappropriated Haiti earthquake donations from international donors.

According to Miami-Dade’s medical examiner records supervisor, the official cause of death is “gunshot to the head“. Eberwein’s death has been registered as “suicide.”

https://www.intellihub.com/haiti-official-who-exposed-clinton-foundation-found-dead-in-miami/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2017, 11:11:09 AM

More... :king:

https://twitter.com/thejoetremblay/status/883424813674614786

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 17, 2017, 11:17:35 AM

{sigh}

Trump just cannot keep his eye on the ball.

Roll out of a new "Made In America" message today and what is his first tweet about?

The indefensible bad judgement of his stupid son.

:'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2017, 11:39:26 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 17, 2017, 11:17:35 AM

{sigh}

Trump just cannot keep his eye on the ball.

Roll out of a new "Made In America" message today and what is his first tweet about?

The indefensible bad judgement of his stupid son.

:'(

You really do whine more than a teenage girl. :Zzzzsleep:

https://twitter.com/MAGAToons/status/883170285083652096

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on July 17, 2017, 11:43:03 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 17, 2017, 11:39:26 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 17, 2017, 11:17:35 AM
{sigh}

Trump just cannot keep his eye on the ball.

Roll out of a new "Made In America" message today and what is his first tweet about?

The indefensible bad judgement of his stupid son.

:'(

You really do whine more than a teenage girl. :Zzzzsleep:

https://twitter.com/MAGAToons/status/883170285083652096

That’s something Trumpton would know a lot about for sure...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2017, 11:43:21 AM

Quote from: Popka! on July 14, 2017, 04:29:55 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 14, 2017, 03:23:10 PM
Laughable. Keystone Cops. Naivete' of the first order.

I know several teenage girls who don't whine nearly as much as you do.

And half of them are more "woke" than RINO Shakespeare.

https://twitter.com/MAGAToons/status/886272578557542400

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2017, 11:53:36 AM

Here Shakespeare. Will you respect the opinion of mainstream magazine Forbes?

The Fusion-Steele matter is explosive because it suggests that Russia’s most damaging intervention in the 2016 campaign may have been its creation of the Steele Dossier, remarkably paid for by the Clinton campaign! If so, the Clinton campaign (not Trump) was the prime sponsor of Russia’s intervention in the 2016 election.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2017/06/19/is-russiagate-really-hillarygate/#5bdd8c375cf6

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 17, 2017, 01:15:59 PM

Been thinking about this whole 'intervention' thing.

With regard to this Steele fiction, there's absolutely no way to connect the original document to Russian intelligence. Steele never met his interlocutors and the story was ridiculous on its face. Written by people who knew nothing about Trump.

We now know that the project was funded first by Republican interests against Trump and then the Democrats took it over.

But here's the thing. To Russia, there genuinely is no reason to expect a preference except in this thing: Russian interests are best served by a stable and predictable regime. Sanctions are a small distraction. Companies and governments are the same here. Almost universally they prefer consistency in their 'partners'.

That's why the new idea that Russia interfered in the election to make the country less stable does not work.

And yes, notwithstanding the general preference for stability there are specific reasons why the USA tends to promote instability in its foreign affairs. However, that's because the USA still, rightly, perceives itself as the dominant single power. Instability has a cost to the US economy but the cost and effect upon the rest of the world is greater and serves to enhance the gulf between the USA and its individual rivals.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2017, 01:31:42 PM

Collusion with Russia? Close, but no cigar :chuckle:

Overall it's a big nothing burger either way. Nada, Squat, Zip, Zilch.

Just Hillary and Co. "clawing from the inside of the coffin" as B/B would say.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 17, 2017, 01:36:39 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 17, 2017, 01:31:42 PM

Collusion with Russia? Close, but no cigar :chuckle:

I said over and over again - there is no collusion -

What there was is either ridiculously childlike political naivete
or tremendous stupidity; most likely a combination of both.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2017, 01:41:21 PM

Meanwhile in the real world, the President of the border patrol union says that morale is at an all time high.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/17/brandon-judd-border-patrol-union-president-says-mo/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2017, 01:46:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 17, 2017, 01:36:39 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 17, 2017, 01:31:42 PM
Collusion with Russia? Close, but no cigar :chuckle:

I said over and over again - there is no collusion -

What there was is either ridiculously childlike political naivete
or tremendous stupidity; most likely a combination of both.

Beginning where? The tremendously amateurish "golden shower" dossier, or the multitude of "journalists" clamoring to repeat these bizarre lies? And for how long will these amateurish accusations be repeated, without a shred of evidence of any real wrong-doing?

And how and why did Hillary avoid prosecution? From day 1 Trump should have appointed a special prosecutor to go after her and Susan Rice.

This idiotic clown show is what happens when Republicans play nice with Democrats. Every. Single. Time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 17, 2017, 02:22:25 PM

If you were told that by meeting a person that you'd learn information of great import to your country what would you do?

Here's something that people who don't think overmuch don't get. Some people meet huge numbers of other people in the course of life. They have huge numbers of meetings and, for those of you who are involved in corporate life and/or politics, you know that most meetings are pointless. We do them for the gold amid the shit.

So, you take meetings and most of them are pointless and the pointless ones go largely unreal led and u report.

What we are seeing with the Trump Jr. crap is a story tailored for people who don't meet many people and people who don't get to go to meetings. And yes, for a group who might do the meetings but who are, what a junior school teacher of mine once said, easily led; the ones who just don't think very much.

All the proper people know this is just another bag of crap, including sensible opponents of Trump. But this story isn't for those people, this story is for the, shall we say, challenged. Not necessarily stupid but the majority for whom this is outside of their experience and/or those who find it difficult to analyse and create patterns from data.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 17, 2017, 02:43:02 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 17, 2017, 02:22:25 PM

If you were told that by meeting a person that you'd learn information of great import to your country what would you do?

{sigh}

Why do you write crap like this FiFi? That isn't what he was told and we both know it.

If I was running for political office and a friend told me that a representative of the RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT had information that was damaging to my opponent and wanted to schedule a meeting to reveal it to me I would be smart enough and possess the necessary ethical standards to understand that taking such a meeting has the likelihood to provide more headaches than benefits and would decline to take the meeting. Period!

Would I notify the FBI? Probably not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 17, 2017, 02:46:04 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 17, 2017, 01:46:41 PM

Beginning where? The tremendously amateurish "golden shower" dossier, or the multitude of "journalists" clamoring to repeat these bizarre lies? And for how long will these amateurish accusations be repeated, without a shred of evidence of any real wrong-doing?

And how and why did Hillary avoid prosecution? From day 1 Trump should have appointed a special prosecutor to go after her and Susan Rice.

This idiotic clown show is what happens when Republicans play nice with Democrats. Every. Single. Time.

Your deflection doesn't address the point I so validly made.

So you suggest we as Republicans should compromise our morals and judgement so we can win more?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2017, 04:11:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 17, 2017, 02:46:04 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 17, 2017, 01:46:41 PM
Beginning where? The tremendously amateurish "golden shower" dossier, or the multitude of "journalists" clamoring to repeat these bizarre lies? And for how long will these amateurish accusations be repeated, without a shred of evidence of any real wrong-doing?

And how and why did Hillary avoid prosecution? From day 1 Trump should have appointed a special prosecutor to go after her and Susan Rice.

This idiotic clown show is what happens when Republicans play nice with Democrats. Every. Single. Time.

Your deflection doesn't address the point I so validly made.

So you suggest we as Republicans should compromise our morals and judgement so we can win more?

You traveled to Wa D.C. In an effort to subvert the will of the people and now have the nerve to bring up morals and judgement? You had neither in that instance and I'm wasting my time on you. Popka can explain it to you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 17, 2017, 04:24:14 PM

Sununu: Sunday Show Hosts Are Dems' 'Surrogate Sponsors'

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/802136?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1742215_07172017&s=al&dkt_nbr=010104jklf0g&section=Politics&keywords=john-sununu-sunday-show-hosts-democrats&year=2017&month=07&date=17&id=802136&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2017, 04:26:07 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 17, 2017, 04:24:14 PM

Sununu: Sunday Show Hosts Are Dems' 'Surrogate Sponsors'

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/802136?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1742215_07172017&s=al&dkt_nbr=010104jklf0g&section=Politics&keywords=john-sununu-sunday-show-hosts-democrats&year=2017&month=07&date=17&id=802136&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

95% of the media is anti-Trump, anti-Republican and anti-Middle America, so yeah, you could say that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2017, 04:40:05 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 17, 2017, 08:52:14 AM

And another one bites the dust. Will American "journalists" cover this story? Probably not. :coffeeread:

Klaus Eberwein, a former Haitian government official who was expected to expose the extent of Clinton Foundation corruption and malpractice next week, has been found dead in Miami. He was 50.

Eberwein was due to appear next Tuesday before the Haitian Senate Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission where he was widely expected to testify that the Clinton Foundation misappropriated Haiti earthquake donations from international donors.

According to Miami-Dade’s medical examiner records supervisor, the official cause of death is “gunshot to the head“. Eberwein’s death has been registered as “suicide.”

https://www.intellihub.com/haiti-official-who-exposed-clinton-foundation-found-dead-in-miami/

BTW Shakespeare the Clinton body count is growing and you're worried about propriety in front of the most dishonest and unethical media in the history of mankind?

How many dead bodies should there be Shakey before Trump orders his AG to prosecute her for real obstruction of justice, as in they're dead and can't testify?

What will it take for those who cower to realize that politics really is a blood sport and must be fought with offense and not defense? Granted it's not easy considering that the media is part of the opposition yet Trump continues to do a fine job of punching back.

In case you forgot Trump does have Lawyers and I'm sure they've approved of him punching back because it not only fires up his base it puts the opposition on notice that he's no Richard Nixon.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2017, 04:49:35 PM

This is a pretty good article about the many decades of Democratic collusion with what was then the Soviet Union. Naturally Shakespeare will claim this is a deflection. I'm glad Shakespeare didn't coach my High School basketball team. :coffeeread:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/todays-masters-deceit-scot-faulkner

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 17, 2017, 05:51:59 PM

Shakespear, you might be so foolish but most are not. The sensible person, the one who troubles herself to think, would take the meeting. The decision as to what to do after the meeting is, sensibly, made after the meeting.

You do keep illustrating in bright shiny lights the points I am making though.

Why on earth do you think that one would choose to not find out what info was on offer? Without making the exploration there's little likelihood of finding out is there?

Let's make an easier context for you. Let's imagine, for a moment, that a person claiming to represent a competitor business wanted to meet with you to tell you about illegal activities being carried out by that competitor, would you refuse to meet?
OK, you might make such a poor judgement, but if your boss found out that you refused then you'd be for the high jump.

What if the contact claimed to have information about a corrupt bid being placed by another competitor? Would you be so daft as to refuse such a meeting?
I bet that your boss would hope to not be so disappointed by the trust she placed in you to make good decisions.

In short it is very rarely a good, or wise, choice to refuse to learn. To refuse the opportunity to gain intelligence.

Remember too that it is absolutely normal in politics and business to seek out intelligence that is likely to improve, or give, competitive advantage.

Use the brains God gave you and stop letting yourself look rather less than you can be because you don't understand how other people with greater capabilities than you manage their affairs. Just think a little and don't fall for easy attempts to mislead you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2017, 06:35:22 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 17, 2017, 05:51:59 PM

Shakespear, you might be so foolish but most are not. The sensible person, the one who troubles herself to think, would take the meeting. The decision as to what to do after the meeting is, sensibly, made after the meeting.

You do keep illustrating in bright shiny lights the points I am making though.

Why on earth do you think that one would choose to not find out what info was on offer? Without making the exploration there's little likelihood of finding out is there?

Let's make an easier context for you. Let's imagine, for a moment, that a person claiming to represent a competitor business wanted to meet with you to tell you about illegal activities being carried out by that competitor, would you refuse to meet?
OK, you might make such a poor judgement, but if your boss found out that you refused then you'd be for the high jump.

What if the contact claimed to have information about a corrupt bid being placed by another competitor? Would you be so daft as to refuse such a meeting?
I bet that your boss would hope to not be so disappointed by the trust she placed in you to make good decisions.

In short it is very rarely a good, or wise, choice to refuse to learn. To refuse the opportunity to gain intelligence.

Remember too that it is absolutely normal in politics and business to seek out intelligence that is likely to improve, or give, competitive advantage.

Use the brains God gave you and stop letting yourself look rather less than you can be because you don't understand how other people with greater capabilities than you manage their affairs. Just think a little and don't fall for easy attempts to mislead you.

I think I figured Shakespeare out. This is who he gets his news from. :laugh:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DE-gW3DV0AE6esL.jpg

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 17, 2017, 07:25:53 PM

In January 2016, Red Square wrote this letter to anchor Fareed Zakaria in response to him being offended by the satirical website, the Peoples Cube.

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/fareed-zakaria-can-dish-it-out-but-can-t-take-it-t17438.html

Fareed Zakaria can dish it out but can't take it

CNN host Fareed Zakaria is now calling to censor social media because he was offended by The People's Cube satire about his writings. Without mentioning that our satire was a hyperbolic buildup on his own recent writings, Zakaria cries for government protection of his hurt feelings, making it clear that he can dish it out but can't take it. Taste your own medicine, Fareed.

"Progressives" have trolled, ridiculed, satirized, maligned, insulted, bullied, and lied about conservatives since the inception of the Internet. But once they see the signs of oncoming traffic, they cry and run to mommy - or to the nanny state in this case - asking to make it a one-way street once again, where only they can ride their tricycles, wear funny hats, and fling poop at those whom they consider inferiors. Watch Fareed Zakaria on camera wiping his face from the poop flung at him.

Dear Fareed,

There have been studies showing that a foreign-born author's unique perspective can help the natives to boost their own creative thinking through the so-called "schema violation," which occurs when our world is turned upside-down. You may argue that your "otherness" benefits and enlightens this country, with an implication that those unwilling to be enlightened by you are bigots who resent your "otherness" and won't have their old schema to be violated by a newcomer.

Like you, I am a foreign-born author whose English is a second, or, rather, a third language; I know what it feels to be "the other." I also like to help the natives to boost their creative thinking by turning their reality upside-down and sending their temporal and spatial cues off-kilter (my website, The People's Cube, is one such big schema violation). I don't resent anyone's "otherness" as long as they don't attempt to make me comply to theirs. In sum, I am not concerned with your ethnic or cultural "otherness." It is your ideological "otherness" that bothers me, which makes you indistinguishable from the next run-of-the-mill, native-born "progressive."

Now that we got the implication of bigotry out of the way, let's get down to business.

On January 2, one of our contributors posted a satirical response to your Washington Post article where you apparently gloated over the premature deaths of white males in America. Our author took your argument to its logical conclusion, adding the need to exterminate white females as well - through Jihad, rape, and sex slavery as recently seen in Europe and elsewhere. This parody wasn't meant to be taken as factual reporting, given the context of our website and especially considering the author's credentials at the top: Chedoh, Kommissar of Viral Infections, Hero of Change, Prophet of the Future Truth.

On January 14, you responded to our satire in your Washington Post article titled, Bile, venom and lies: How I was trolled on the Internet, and today you started your show on CNN with a segment titled, Fareed's Take: I was the target of Internet trolling, in which you were mostly reading your earlier article from the teleprompter. Among other things you claimed that our story "was cleverly written to provide conspiracy theorists with enough ammunition to ignore evidence" and complained that some people took our "reporting" seriously and reposted it in social media with impolite comments, all of which led you to conclude that someone must create a mechanism in social media "to distinguish between fact and falsehood." And since that someone can only be the government, your statement can only be understood as a vague call for the government censorship of the Internet.

However, neither your article, nor the CNN segment mentioned that our grotesque fiction was based on your own controversial ideas that many Americans found insulting and grotesque. Why? Was it because such an admission would have undermined your argument that people were angry at you over nothing?

And why in the world, Fareed, did you decide to bring up the term "radicalization," which in today's world is mostly associated with Islam? Do you have such a tin ear - or do you really think that if you broaden the definition and talk about "American radicalization," people will begin to see the two as morally equivalent? Do you think they are morally equivalent, Fareed?

Fine, let's talk about radicalization.

For you, sitting on the top floors of your well-protected media establishment's ivory tower, it's easy to downplay the threat of Islamic radicalization and throw the "Islamophobia" labels at all those little people down at the street level. The only radicalization to which your skewed radar is attuned is the faintest sound of protest from the little people, when they get fed up with your condescending elitism and begin to rebel against the "progressive" establishment. That's what scares you the most, doesn't it, Fareed? That's when you mouth off your grave concerns on CNN and write in WaPo about the threat of radicalization.

But who is at fault that Americans no longer trust the establishment and its media? Have you considered the possibility that none of this would be happening if you and your colleagues weren't so radical yourselves, feeding the people with half-truths, distortions, propaganda, and outright lies, placing your Utopian "progressive" ideology above facts, smug and secure in your impenetrable media castle? Did it occur to you that you and your media establishment may be the very reason why so many people suddenly like Donald Trump, whom you so despise, and nothing you say on the subject can change their minds because no one trusts you anymore?

When you talked about a study where "simply by talking to one another, the bigoted students had become more bigoted," has it even occurred to you how perfectly this describes your "progressive" echo chamber, where tolerance towards opposing philosophical viewpoints is nonexistent? If you think that calling those who disagree with you "bigots" makes you an anti-bigot, let me share a little secret. There are two kinds of bigots today: the bigots and the anti-bigots, and it's hard to say which kind is worse.

A good example of "group polarization" involving radical "anti-bigots" is JournoList - a highly biased group of about 400 left-wing journalists and political activists who for three years (2007-2010) participated in a private online echo chamber where they, in violation of public trust and professional ethics, conspired to coordinate media attacks on conservatives, to promote certain issues while burying others, and to influence the 2008 elections in favor of Barack Obama. To paraphrase Kolbert's study, "Simply by talking to one another, the radical left-wing journalists had become more radical left-wing journalists." To use your exact quote, "It is how radicalization happens and extremism spreads." Say, were you just as worried about "group polarization" then as you are now?

Another example of such "group polarization" and radicalization is a knee-jerk impulse of allegedly mainstream journalists to describe anyone who doesn't lean left as "far-right," as you have demonstrated in your CNN segment, or "ultra-right-wing," as you have demonstrated in your segment.

Isn't it a little too late to complain about America's radicalization, Fareed? Where were you during the George W. Bush years, when your fellow "progressives" trolled, ridiculed, and slandered the U.S. President and his supporters, with full support of the mainstream media? When there no longer was any distinction between a drug-fueled street protester and a media commentator?

Did you complain when "progressive" satirists collectively created a false, hyperbolic reality around Bush, conservatives, Fox News, and America in general, which was then regularly disseminated as the truth around the world, translated into many languages, and contributing to the anti-American sentiment? Some of my own family members in Russia and Ukraine still honestly believe that those "facts" really happened. As you so eloquently stated," the people spreading this story were not interested in the facts; they were interested in feeding prejudice." Did you complain then, or did it feel too good to let go?

You refer to a scientific study of Facebook users, which found that "people mainly shared information that confirmed their prejudices, paying little attention to facts and veracity." That sounds reasonable. For example, even without a scientific study I know that an overwhelming majority of your fellow "progressives" believe that Sarah Palin has actually said "I can see Russia from my house," paying little attention to the fact that it originated as an SNL skit. Did you complain about that in 2008? Were you at all concerned that Tina Fey's "Palin" videos might confuse voters and skew the election? Probably not; it was just satirical hyperbole, right?

What if social media encourage misinformation, rumors, and lies, you ask. But did you ask the same question when misinformation, rumors, and lies were coming not from social media but from a seasoned mainstream journalist named Dan Rather - or, more recently, The Rolling Stone Magazine? Or, worse yet, from the nation's political leaders whom you support and admire? Wasn't the entire debate on and implementation of ObamaCare based on misinformation and lies? Were you alarmed when Joe Biden told a black audience that the Republicans would put them back in chains?

Did you speak against radicalization when the "hands up don't shoot" movement, based on misinformation, rumors, and lies, and encouraged by the mainstream media, resulted in looting and the destruction of property, followed by the murders of innocent police officers?

The answer to all those question is "no." You have never violated the "progressive" schema, Fareed. You've been a loyal Party soldier, albeit a mediocre creative thinker, having traded your "otherness" for conformity and sacrificing your unique perspective to what you thought was "progress."

Examples are plenty; more can be provided upon request. Now let's talk about victimhood.

You say you are the victim because you have received some hateful messages and comments. I have also received many hateful messages and comments from your fellow "progressives" over the years. Now what? You claim you have received a late-night phone call that woke up and threatened your young daughters. Indeed, Fareed, making threatening calls is a crime. Did you file a police report? Did the police trace the number and find the perpetrators, who are hardly a sophisticated organization behind an impenetrable firewall? If not, I can't believe every claim that comes from a confirmed plagiarist. You may as well claim that someone kicked your three-legged puppy and it made you cry.

While you played the world's saddest song on the world's smallest violin, I was the one who took the real hit. Snopes.com, a "fact-checking" website rooting for the "progressive" team, has not only debunked our satire as they've done it many times in the past - this time they also made an unsourced and slanderous allegation that our site is "known for spreading malware."

Next, some busybody contacted one of our advertising providers, Content.ad, which then declined to pay our advertising earnings due to "serious quality issues." The money we lost as a result may be small change compared to your CNN contract, but if you were penalized for your writings in the same proportional amount, I'm sure your righteous indignation would go well beyond just one article in WaPo and a five-minute segment on CNN.

There is only one victim of lies, prejudice, and institutionalized bias here - and it ain't you, Fareed. But don't let this stop you from playing your upside-down game of "victims and radicals" while you still can.

So you think your opponents are radicals? Here's a news tip: down here in the streets below you, it's the other way around: growing numbers of Americans see you and your media colleagues as radical ideological hacks. You can call them any name you want, adding ultra-, far-, uber-, and other hyphenated insults; that won't change the fact that their thinking is the norm and yours is not. Like all normal people on this planet, they don't respond well to insults. But they are also the ones who make sure you have the freedom to call them radicals.

Oleg Atbashian
AKA Red Square
People's Director,
Department of Visual Agitation and Unanimity

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 17, 2017, 08:18:31 PM

Quote from: ?ManyQuestions? on July 17, 2017, 07:25:53 PM

In January 2016, Red Square wrote this letter to anchor Fareed Zakaria in response to him being offended by the satirical website, the Peoples Cube.

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/fareed-zakaria-can-dish-it-out-but-can-t-take-it-t17438.html

Fareed Zakaria can dish it out but can't take it

CNN host Fareed Zakaria is now calling to censor social media because he was offended by The People's Cube satire about his writings. Without mentioning that our satire was a hyperbolic buildup on his own recent writings, Zakaria cries for government protection of his hurt feelings, making it clear that he can dish it out but can't take it. Taste your own medicine, Fareed.

"Progressives" have trolled, ridiculed, satirized, maligned, insulted, bullied, and lied about conservatives since the inception of the Internet. But once they see the signs of oncoming traffic, they cry and run to mommy - or to the nanny state in this case - asking to make it a one-way street once again, where only they can ride their tricycles, wear funny hats, and fling poop at those whom they consider inferiors. Watch Fareed Zakaria on camera wiping his face from the poop flung at him.

Dear Fareed,

There have been studies showing that a foreign-born author's unique perspective can help the natives to boost their own creative thinking through the so-called "schema violation," which occurs when our world is turned upside-down. You may argue that your "otherness" benefits and enlightens this country, with an implication that those unwilling to be enlightened by you are bigots who resent .-.-.-.-.- they don't respond well to insults. But they are also the ones who make sure you have the freedom to call them radicals.

Oleg Atbashian
AKA Red Square
People's Director,
Department of Visual Agitation and Unanimity

Since I dislike qouting the entire length of any piece on RUA. But what ?ManyQuestions? noted I have shortened BUT it is an interesting read. What I find almost amusing is the liberal press now finds itself facing the exactly same derision that the conservatives less than a generation ago faced. It is very much a time of now it is my turn! FUHAND

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2017, 11:39:52 PM

Av pray tell what is FUHAND?

Good stuff ?ManyQuestions?. I liked this part the best.

Quote:
"But who is at fault that Americans no longer trust the establishment and its media? Have you considered the possibility that none of this would be happening if you and your colleagues weren't so radical yourselves, feeding the people with half-truths, distortions, propaganda, and outright lies, placing your Utopian "progressive" ideology above facts, smug and secure in your impenetrable media castle? Did it occur to you that you and your media establishment may be the very reason why so many people suddenly like Donald Trump, whom you so despise, and nothing you say on the subject can change their minds because no one trusts you anymore?

When you talked about a study where "simply by talking to one another, the bigoted students had become more bigoted," has it even occurred to you how perfectly this describes your "progressive" echo chamber, where tolerance towards opposing philosophical viewpoints is nonexistent? If you think that calling those who disagree with you "bigots" makes you an anti-bigot, let me share a little secret. There are two kinds of bigots today: the bigots and the anti-bigots, and it's hard to say which kind is worse."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 18, 2017, 12:52:09 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 17, 2017, 11:39:52 PM

Av pray tell what is FUHAND?

F C U K Y O U H A V E A N I C E D A Y

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 18, 2017, 01:00:27 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 17, 2017, 11:39:52 PM

Av pray tell what is FUHAND?

Just for you........ ;D

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or you may like these better!

(http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/F/FUN/RUA/hand_1.jpg)

(http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/F/FUN/RUA/hand_2.jpg)

(http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/F/FUN/RUA/hand_4.jpg)

(http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/F/FUN/RUA/hand_5.jpg)

AvHdB ..... you are naughty!

Can't you sleep or are you on night shift?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 18, 2017, 01:09:37 AM

Wiz,

:chuckle:

Thanks at least some one understands our children!

I have a particular skill so I am on 'night shift' in the States, I heat stainless steel (ss) up, bid on auctions (sometimes), ss cools down and I continue.

The owner of the company is a friend of mine (paybacks are a bitch)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on July 18, 2017, 01:57:40 AM

Say no more...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170718/b87d28b570a8a6921c7e402ea144d92f.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Volshe on July 18, 2017, 05:08:27 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 17, 2017, 08:18:31 PM

Since I dislike qouting the entire length of any piece on RUA. But what ?ManyQuestions? noted I have shortened BUT it is an interesting read.

It is indeed. Well written too, irrelevant of whether one agrees or not. It's funny though, the hatred for the white male in the west (blind love in our parts being equally funny, but it's all another can of worms.) Obviously, I can't identify with any of the "new right", "alt" or whatsoever, but i tend to think that "far left" as of lately has almost became akin to the "tyranny of the weak". (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 18, 2017, 07:07:28 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 17, 2017, 05:51:59 PM

Shakespear, you might be so foolish but most are not. The sensible person, the one who troubles herself to think, would take the meeting. The decision as to what to do after the meeting is, sensibly, made after the meeting.

For gawd's sake FiFi - a high school civics student knows that equating
acceptable behavior in business with acceptable behavior in politics is like
comparing apples or oranges.

All Trump Jr had to do was say, "Yep, I shouldn't have taken the meeting.
It was a mistake" and this would be out of the press by now. But no - he
has to be like his father; never apologize, never admit mistakes. Ego
driven stupidity. Period.

{sigh} Textbook case of political naiveté. I'm finished discussing this topic.
Either you "get it" or you choose not to accept the obvious.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 18, 2017, 07:24:10 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2017, 07:07:28 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 17, 2017, 05:51:59 PM
Shakespear, you might be so foolish but most are not. The sensible person, the one who troubles herself to think, would take the meeting. The decision as to what to do after the meeting is, sensibly, made after the meeting.

For gawd's sake FiFi - a high school civics student knows that equating
acceptable behavior in business with acceptable behavior in politics is like
comparing apples or oranges.

All Trump Jr had to do was say, "Yep, I shouldn't have taken the meeting.
It was a mistake" and this would be out of the press by now. But no - he
has to be like his father; never apologize, never admit mistakes. Ego
driven stupidity. Period.

{sigh} Textbook case of political naiveté. I'm finished discussing this topic.
Either you "get it" or you choose not to accept the obvious.

Somewhere I learned/heard politicians should behave like business(men) and business(men) should behave like politicians.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 18, 2017, 10:19:34 AM

Border Patrol union chief praises 'miraculous' drop in illegal immigration under Trump

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/border-patrol-union-chief-praises-miraculous-drop-in-illegal-immigration-under-trump/article/2628828

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 18, 2017, 12:19:45 PM

The wall has already been built!

It has been accurately noted that the most secure prison is that of the mind. Well, the same applies here. All the talk about 'walls' and the attitudes and actions that accompany a real wall barring entrance to the US serves as a significant deterrent to those who might previously have been minded to try to migrate to the US across the southern border.

Of course, Team Trump would have been well aware of that likelihood and it would have been a part of the planning that went into the whole wall campaign. The effect showed up some months ago and seems to be maintaining its force.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 18, 2017, 02:03:25 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 18, 2017, 12:19:45 PM

The wall has already been built!

It has been accurately noted that the most secure prison is that of the mind. Well, the same applies here. All the talk about 'walls' and the attitudes and actions that accompany a real wall barring entrance to the US serves as a significant deterrent to those who might previously have been minded to try to migrate to the US across the southern border.

Of course, Team Trump would have been well aware of that likelihood and it would have been a part of the planning that went into the whole wall campaign. The effect showed up some months ago and seems to be maintaining its force.

This is of course partially true at the very least. Immigration, Customs and Enforcement better known as ICE finally has a President and an Attorney General who encourages them to fulfill their Constitutional duties. No laws have been changed however the existing laws are finally being enforced (what a concept!) and border crossings are way down along with the simultaneous apprehension of felons is way up; illegal aliens are being deported at record rates as they should be. Once the unwanted criminals are all removed this frees up public money for the kind of immigrants we want: the educated and the worthy who will be a plus to our nation instead of a minus.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 18, 2017, 03:41:04 PM

Bloomberg Poll: Clinton Even More Unpopular Than Trump

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/802260?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1742428_07182017&s=al&dkt_nbr=0105023qbvsd&section=Newsfront&keywords=clinton-trump-unpopular-bloomberg&year=2017&month=07&date=18&id=802260&aliaspath=%2fManage%2fArticles%2fTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 18, 2017, 05:23:47 PM

Russian lawyer Veselnitskaya says Magnitsky act lobbyist Browder behind Trump Jr. scandal

https://www.rt.com/news/396728-russian-lawyer-scandal-america/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 18, 2017, 06:33:10 PM

Dhimmicrat Kathy Griffin takes the Hajj to Mecca and Medina in the Hijaz, then proclaims herself a loyal follower of ISIS and Islam. She is joyfully called "Hajji" Griffin by the ISIS faithful.

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/a-message-of-love-from-the-political-party-of-peace-t19485.html

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/various_uploads/Kathy_Griffin_slogans.jpg)

HEADLINE:

Kathy Griffin mistakenly beheads Alec Baldwin in Trump costume; nobody cares.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 18, 2017, 07:29:24 PM

'Sick:' Trump slams report of 'second meeting' with Putin at G-20

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/18/trump-and-putin-met-for-second-undisclosed-time-during-g-20-summit.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 18, 2017, 08:31:29 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 18, 2017, 07:07:28 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 17, 2017, 05:51:59 PM
Shakespear, you might be so foolish but most are not. The sensible person, the one who troubles herself to think, would take the meeting. The decision as to what to do after the meeting is, sensibly, made after the meeting.

For gawd's sake FiFi - a high school civics student knows that equating
acceptable behavior in business with acceptable behavior in politics is like
comparing apples or oranges.

All Trump Jr had to do was say, "Yep, I shouldn't have taken the meeting.
It was a mistake" and this would be out of the press by now. But no - he
has to be like his father; never apologize, never admit mistakes. Ego
driven stupidity. Period.

{sigh} Textbook case of political naiveté. I'm finished discussing this topic.
Either you "get it" or you choose not to accept the obvious.

I already said he learned a lesson and so did he, so what's your point?

We don't need to continue to have a world of double-standards yet you continue to work for the other side.

We all know that if Clinton had won Chelsea Clinton could of had dozens of meetings w/ Russians and there never would have been a peep out of the press.

So what are you doing to encourage Republicans to stop playing defense and play a more aggressive offense?

Dirtbag Comey should have been fired on day 1 and on day 1 both Susan Rice and HRC investigated by a special prosecutor. Do you or do you not see that constantly trying to be the goodie two shoes instead of a ruthless full frontal assault on the Democrats is why they get the uperhand?

They work hand and hand w/ their friends in the "media" and you're whining about wanting perfect appearances. Change your attitude, go to your contacts in DC and tell them you want blood of Susan Rice in the street, Comey disgraced for felony leaks and HRC locked up, key thrown away.

Or keep playing for the DNC. Who needs Republicans when the DNC has weaklings like your working for them? :dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 18, 2017, 08:47:12 PM

I am curious are there any statements (OK tweets) where Donald admits he is wrong?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 18, 2017, 10:31:01 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 18, 2017, 08:47:12 PM

I am curious are there any statements (OK tweets) where Donald admits he is wrong?

A far better question is are there any statements or tweets where Hillary admits why she lost the election?
Of course not.

Are there any statements where Hillary admitted that she was wrong in regards to Benghazi and illegal transfer of weapons from Libya to radical Jihadi's in Syria?
Of course not.

Are there any statements where Hillary admits it was wrong to form a coalition w/ Saudi Arabia and Israel in an effort to overthrow the legitimately elected govt. of Syria, namely Bashar Assad?
Of course not.

Shakespeare and others who cannot plan more than one move ahead end up playing defense. The Democrats are ruthless and plan 10 moves ahead and map out all sorts of various scenario's.

The moment they lost they concocted the plan to blame Russia and attempted to frame it that President Trump colluded with the Russians; all pure hogwash and fantasy.

Notice the difference in the game plan of the Republicans (just think our softball RINO here) to behave like nice Gentlemen and hope for the best?

Hillary knew she could have been prosecuted by a special prosecutor and Obama knew Susan Rice could as well which would bring heat back to him; so they immediately went on the offense:

a) an unrelenting media campaign, orchestrated by CIA editors in the DNC pocket pointed the finger at Trump.

b) the unrelenting campaign paid off, resulting in Republicans caving into demand for special prosecutor;

c) attention diverted away from Hillary and criminal cohorts: Trump and GOP lose all steam, DNC believes they have avoided high-level prosecution of all the players which they likely have.

In football when a team doesn't score an easy touchdown when they're in the end zone but fumbles and allows their opponent to score -- that's a 14 point swing in the wrong direction.

http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/check-it-out-the-new-york-times-just-exposed-the-hillary-clinton-russia-nexus/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 18, 2017, 10:38:03 PM

Don't be too surprised if this woman suddenly commits "suicide". It's not an unreasonable possibility given all the others. Did anyone know that Susan Rice has a net worth of $50 Million dollars? How was that possible on her govt. salary?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/susan-rice-abruptly-backs-tuesday-testimony-house-panel/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 18, 2017, 11:10:41 PM

Whoops!

http://truepundit.com/russian-at-donald-trump-jr-meeting-worked-with-fbi-while-special-counsel-robert-mueller-was-fbi-director/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 19, 2017, 02:26:33 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 18, 2017, 10:31:01 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 18, 2017, 08:47:12 PM
I am curious are there any statements (OK tweets) where Donald admits he is wrong?

A far better question is are there any statements or tweets where Hillary admits why she lost the election?
Of course not.

Are there any statements where Hillary admitted that she was wrong in regards to Benghazi and illegal transfer of weapons from Libya to radical Jihadi's in Syria?
Of course not.

Are there any statements where Hillary admits it was wrong to form a coalition w/ Saudi Arabia and Israel in an effort to overthrow the legitimately elected govt. of Syria, namely Bashar Assad?
Of course not.

Shakespeare and others who cannot plan more than one move ahead end up playing defense. The Democrats are ruthless and plan 10 moves ahead and map out all sorts of various scenario's.

The moment they lost they concocted the plan to blame Russia and attempted to frame it that President Trump colluded with the Russians; all pure hogwash and fantasy.

Notice the difference in the game plan of the Republicans (just think our softball RINO here) to behave like nice Gentlemen and hope for the best?

Hillary knew she could have been prosecuted by a special prosecutor and Obama knew Susan Rice could as well which would bring heat back to him; so they immediately went on the offense:

a) an unrelenting media campaign, orchestrated by CIA editors in the DNC pocket pointed the finger at Trump.

b) the unrelenting campaign paid off, resulting in Republicans caving into demand for special prosecutor;

c) attention diverted away from Hillary and criminal cohorts: Trump and GOP lose all steam, DNC believes they have avoided high-level prosecution of all the players which they likely have.

In football when a team doesn't score an easy touchdown when they're in the end zone but fumbles and allows their opponent to score -- that's a 14 point swing in the wrong direction.

http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/check-it-out-the-new-york-times-just-exposed-the-hillary-clinton-russia-nexus/

The above reply is an almost perfect example of deflection. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 19, 2017, 11:46:40 AM

^Uh, no. There never was and never will be any evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians.

The real deflection is and always has been the Russia, Russia, Russia narrative. Meanwhile President Trump continues to do the peoples business.

CNN has dug their own grave with their BS and it's only a matter of time until they're completely irrevelant and bankrupt.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 19, 2017, 01:15:55 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 19, 2017, 02:26:33 AM

The above reply is an almost perfect example of deflection. tiphat

Of course it is.

You asked a direct question and instead of answering it (because
he doesn't like the honest answer) he went off on a rant about a
completely different matter.

The Democrats perfected this technique over the last 8 years.
Trumpsters are playing "catch up" in their use of this concept.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 19, 2017, 01:30:57 PM

High-Ranking Democrat Weighs in on DNC Collusion With Foreign Government: "No Biggie"

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/high-ranking-democrat-weighs-dnc-collusion-foreign-government-no-biggie/ri20428

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 19, 2017, 02:04:46 PM

Here is a song straight out of the Peoples Karaoke!! Collective sing alongs for marching and dancing!!

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/the-dems-went-down-to-georgia-t19539.html

The Dems went down to Georgia (Parody of The Devil Went Down to Georgia by Charlie Daniels Band) by Groucho Marx

The dems went down to Georgia
They was lookin' for a seat to steal
They were in a bind
'Cause they were way behind
Willin' to spend twenty five mil

When they came upon this young man
In pajamas by the name John Ossoff
And the dems all jumped
And said that he'd beat Trump
And said, "boy, show us what you got

I guess you didn't know it
But we're a riddle players too
And if you'd care we'll pay your fare, we'll bet money on you

Now you play a pretty good riddle, boy
But give the dems their due
We'll bet a butt load of gold
Just for your soul
'Cause we've bet the house on you."

The boy said, "my name's Johnny
And I'll be gettin' in
And I'll join your bet
And you'll never regret
'The district I ain't living in."

Johnny, rising up in polls and we play voting fraud
'Cause hell's broke loose in Georgia, and dems deal voter cards
And if you win, they'll say that they finally beat ol Trump
But if you lose, the dems are in the dumps

The dems opened up their case
And said, "We'll start this show."
When fire flew from the rifle end
They called for killing more

Then they tweet their hate across the webs
And it was some evil piss
And a band of dems tweet in
And saying repubs deserved it

When the dems we're finished
They all said, " you weren't so good, repubs
But sit right there cos it was clear
This one got shoved between your buns

They said "It raining real hard made dems, run
Nancy Pelosi is our favorite one
Planned Parenthood kicked in buttload of dough
Voter ID laws has got to go

The dems bowed their head
Because they knew that they'd been beat
And they laid the Georgia 6
On down in bitter defeat

Repubs said, "Dems, just come on back
If you ever want to try again
We done told you once you SOBs
Donald Trump's the president"

They said "It raining real hard made dems, run
Nancy Pelosi is our favorite one
Planned Parenthood kicked in buttload of dough
Voter ID laws has got to go

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 19, 2017, 02:07:39 PM

The Democrats are guilty of many election violations, so they desperately need to keep accusing Trump of everything possible to cover their own ass.

Watchdog: USPS Broke Law by Letting Employees Do Clinton Campaign Work

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/802532?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1742725_07192017&s=al&dkt_nbr=010102vtq03x&section=Newsfront&keywords=USPS-Hatch-Act&year=2017&month=07&date=19&id=802532&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 19, 2017, 02:15:08 PM

April 1, 2017: The People's Cube is twelve years old! by Red Square

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/april-1-the-people-s-cube-is-twelve-years-old-t19378.html

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/various_uploads/Cube_12_Years_Old_Trump.jpg)

Every year on April First, internationally known as The Current Truth Day, all progressive humanity celebrates the People's Cube's glorious anniversary. Twelve years ago today, on April 1, 2005, this Party Organ was launched out of an undisclosed bunker and swiftly rose over the horizon like the red hexahedron-shaped sun of the revolution, bringing the light of Party-approved thought straight out of the Motherland to the toiling masses of the darkened, non-socialist parts of planet Earth.

Workers and peasants of the world have traditionally marked the People's Cube birthday with massive parades. Wearing red hats and marching in spontaneous lockstep to the Marching Harmonica Army Band, they carried placards with the visage of the People's Cube and its fearsome but fair leadership. They chanted Party-approved slogans glorifying the leading role of the Party, and threw occasional bricks at the remnants of the bourgeois class.

This year, however, the celebrations will have to be muted. The epidemic of mental disorders and the general loss of perspective that has enervated the progressive humanity after the election of Donald Trump is only one part of the story.

The other part is the sudden change of heart in the perception of the glorious Motherland. Overnight, this indisputable role model has become the indisputable villain; the bringer of light is now the bringer of darkness. A similar change was described in our progressive manual titled "1984," where everyone suddenly realized that they had always been at war with Eastasia - and believed in it with maximum sincerity until the next Party directive.
Every year on April First, internationally known as The Current Truth Day, all progressive humanity celebrates the People's Cube's glorious anniversary. Twelve years ago today, on April 1, 2005, this Party Organ was launched out of an undisclosed bunker and swiftly rose over the horizon like the red hexahedron-shaped sun of the revolution, bringing the light of Party-approved thought straight out of the Motherland to the toiling masses of the darkened, non-socialist parts of planet Earth.

Workers and peasants of the world have traditionally marked the People's Cube birthday with massive parades. Wearing red hats and marching in spontaneous lockstep to the Marching Harmonica Army Band, they carried placards with the visage of the People's Cube and its fearsome but fair leadership. They chanted Party-approved slogans glorifying the leading role of the Party, and threw occasional bricks at the remnants of the bourgeois class.

This year, however, the celebrations will have to be muted. The epidemic of mental disorders and the general loss of perspective that has enervated the progressive humanity after the election of Donald Trump is only one part of the story.

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/various_uploads/Thinking_For_You_Motherland.jpg)
Under these circumstances, any agitation and propaganda from the Motherland is perceived as ambiguous at best, and darkly sinister at worst. War is peace. Vodka is poison. Hammer and sickle is swastika. Red hats have "Make America Great Again" written on them.

We understand this as a temporary, forced measure by the powerful shadow government - a devious political maneuver aimed at destroying Trump in a pro-democracy coup d'état by the deep state. If that is the case, we will selflessly take one for the team, become collateral damage in the battle for progress, and perish in gulag for the Common Good.

And yet we are worried - what if we perish in vain? The progressives will always need some idealized foreign society as a role model and a source of inspiration. Until recently, that foreign society was the Motherland. Unfortunately, its place in the progressive hearts is now being increasingly redistributed to Islam.

Due to the current anti-Trump maneuver, when all good progressives believe they had always been at war with the Motherland, that special place in their hearts will most certainly be filled by Islamic interests. And as we know from history, whenever Islam moves in, it never leaves.

We love our Islamic comrades and have moved mountains to help Mohammed's followers to establish a foothold in the Western world. And yet we are worried. What if, after the anti-Motherland propaganda campaign is over and we will once again be in a position to serve as humanity's vanguard, there will no longer be a place for us in the progressive hearts to come back to? Only time will tell.

In the meantime, celebrate our glorious anniversary inconspicuously and with caution. Do not draw attention to yourselves by loud singing and marching in lockstep. Drink beet vodka out of brown paper bags. If you must use glasses, wrap them in handkerchiefs before clinking.

The glorious revolution is being indefinitely postponed. (Until "Next Tuesday" :) :nod: ;D )

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 19, 2017, 02:34:30 PM

Politifact reports the Current Truth (subject to change without notice.) from the People's Cube by Red Square

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/politifact-reports-the-current-truth-from-the-people-s-cube-t19578.html

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/various_uploads/Politifact_Cube_Debunking.jpg)

Yesterday Politifact published yet another debunking of our story titled, CNN Host Fareed Zakaria Calls For Jihad Rape Of White Women. More precisely, it debunked the reposting of our story on other websites without attribution or tagging it as satire.

Recycled parody: CNN's Zakaria calls for jihadi rape of white women

To the credit of the Politifact writer, Jon Greenberg, he treated the People's Cube with respect, quoted several of our articles and headlines, and even gave a little promo for our beloved Comrade Chedoh. Furthermore, before publishing this story, he emailed me, the People's Director, asking for a comment:

PolitiFact query: Satire inspired hate speech

Hi -

As we plow our way through nonsense posts I wonder if you could give me your thoughts on the resilience of your article about Zakaria calls for Jihad rape of white women. It gained traction in January 2016, and now we're seeing it again. A mindless site called teoinfo pasted your copy into an article on June 30, 2017. July 2, a website called Reclaim Australia Rally shared it, drawing comments such as "Would be considered hate speech if this was said by a white person about any other race. I hope this goat shagging inbred chokes."

What you post as satire is taken as actual fact by less discerning readers and draws them together on pages such as Reclaim Australia.

Seems to me you end up feeding the forces you mock. Is that consistent with your purpose? Is that what you intend and if not, how do you respond to critiques such as this one?

Thanks for getting back to me.

Jon Greenberg
Staff writer - PolitiFact

I wanted to write back with a question if the author (or Politifact in general) had ever sent a similar query to Tina Fey and the SNL producers about how they felt about "I can see Russia from my house" and other fake Sarah Palin quotes that aired on SNL and that that many people to this day believe to be authentic. Or to any other comedy-making progs who believe their job is to destroy all opponents of proggism by assassinating their characters from within a fake frame of reference. Or to the "serious" news organs whose fake stories have prompted the recent shooting in Washington.

But first I wanted to execute some political prisoners for inspiration, and I never do that without first drinking a glass of our fine beet vodka. So I went to the local gulag-and-distillery (located in Tractor Barn #2) hoping to refill my one-gallon container.

Imagine my disappointment when I found the gulag gate wide open, with Comrade Chedoh passed out drunk next to an empty vodka tank. So I had to go pick some beets and distill a new batch of vodka for the kollektive. Then I had to go around town denouncing enemies of the people for hate speech until I rounded up enough thoughtcriminals to fill the gulag to its projected capacity. After a day filled with righteous and selfless toil for the common good I passed out on the dirt floor next to Comrade Chedoh.

By the time I got back to my 5 horsepower "Laika 2000" computer to write my response, the Politifact article was already published. Oh well, I promise to distill vodka faster the next time I receive a presumptive query with the words "Satire inspired hate speech" in the title.

OfflineChedoh

7/13/2017, 10:12 pm

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/Avatars/5120_1437310712.jpg)

First and foremost I should apologize for leaving the gulag gate open on my way to tractor barn #2. If I may explain, I've had to relocate from my quarters after seeing a slow moving CNN van drive by a few nights in a row. On the last night I could almost swear on the revolution that I saw Zakaria himself in the passenger seat. So I went into hiding in the tractor barn until this whole thing blew over. Then after hearing that Politifact has threatened to light my pants on fire I took to the beet vodka to calm my nerves. It was a pleasant surprise to wake up with our beloved peoples director next to me. Maybe that CNN hit squad might think twice if they saw whose protection I was under!

Chairman Meow
7/14/2017, 8:04 am

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/Avatars/31560_1366047929.jpg)

Have you noticed that nothing I ever posted here was found to be “False Clickbate Malware” by Snopes or “Pants on Fire” by Politifact? They know that, like Thucydides, I have not ventured to speak from any chance information, nor according to any notion of my own. From their silence it is understood that the following Seal of Veracity is attached to everything I write!

(http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/42842) :ROFL:

Pol "Potsy" :ROFL:
7/14/2017, 10:40 pm

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/Avatars/4637.gif)

"What you post as satire is taken as actual fact by less discerning readers and draws them together on pages such as HuffPo."

This is a question which should be posed to all fake news outlets such as PolitiHopen'Change and the Crescent News Network.

Jon Greenberg has exceeded his allocation of impertinence and needs to report immediately to the nearest re-education camp for an "attitude adjustment" for daring to question Red Square.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 19, 2017, 03:10:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 19, 2017, 01:15:55 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 19, 2017, 02:26:33 AM
The above reply is an almost perfect example of deflection. tiphat

Of course it is.

You asked a direct question and instead of answering it (because
he doesn't like the honest answer) he went off on a rant about a
completely different matter.

The Democrats perfected this technique over the last 8 years.
Trumpsters are playing "catch up" in their use of this concept.

Pfewwwttt.

So says the RINO who's still butthurt Trump won. :chuckle:

Like I wrote upthread, thank God you didn't coach my high school basketball team and thank heavens you're not an adviser to Trump and hopefully won't be part of his re-election team for 2020.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 19, 2017, 03:15:22 PM

Quote from: ?ManyQuestions? on July 19, 2017, 02:34:30 PM

Politifact reports the Current Truth (subject to change without notice.) from the People's Cube by Red Square

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/politifact-reports-the-current-truth-from-the-people-s-cube-t19578.html

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/various_uploads/Politifact_Cube_Debunking.jpg)

Yesterday Politifact published yet another debunking of our story titled, CNN Host Fareed Zakaria Calls For Jihad Rape Of White Women. More precisely, it debunked the reposting of our story on other websites without attribution or tagging it as satire.

Recycled parody: CNN's Zakaria calls for jihadi rape of white women

To the credit of the Politifact writer, Jon Greenberg, he treated the People's Cube with respect, quoted several of our articles and headlines, and even gave a little promo for our beloved Comrade Chedoh. Furthermore, before publishing this story, he emailed me, the People's Director, asking for a comment:

PolitiFact query: Satire inspired hate speech

Hi -

As we plow our way through nonsense posts I wonder if you could give me your thoughts on the resilience of your article about Zakaria calls for Jihad rape of white women. It gained traction in January 2016, and now we're seeing it again. A mindless site called teoinfo pasted your copy into an article on June 30, 2017. July 2, a website called Reclaim Australia Rally shared it, drawing comments such as "Would be considered hate speech if this was said by a white person about any other race. I hope this goat shagging inbred chokes."

What you post as satire is taken as actual fact by less discerning readers and draws them together on pages such as Reclaim Australia.

Seems to me you end up feeding the forces you mock. Is that consistent with your purpose? Is that what you intend and if not, how do you respond to critiques such as this one?

Thanks for getting back to me.

Jon Greenberg
Staff writer - PolitiFact

I wanted to write back with a question if the author (or Politifact in general) had ever sent a similar query to Tina Fey and the SNL producers about how they felt about "I can see Russia from my house" and other fake Sarah Palin quotes that aired on SNL and that that many people to this day believe to be authentic. Or to any other comedy-making progs who believe their job is to destroy all opponents of proggism by assassinating their characters from within a fake frame of reference. Or to the "serious" news organs whose fake stories have prompted the recent shooting in Washington.

But first I wanted to execute some political prisoners for inspiration, and I never do that without first drinking a glass of our fine beet vodka. So I went to the local gulag-and-distillery (located in Tractor Barn #2) hoping to refill my one-gallon container.

Imagine my disappointment when I found the gulag gate wide open, with Comrade Chedoh passed out drunk next to an empty vodka tank. So I had to go pick some beets and distill a new batch of vodka for the kollektive. Then I had to go around town denouncing enemies of the people for hate speech until I rounded up enough thoughtcriminals to fill the gulag to its projected capacity. After a day filled with righteous and selfless toil for the common good I passed out on the dirt floor next to Comrade Chedoh.

By the time I got back to my 5 horsepower "Laika 2000" computer to write my response, the Politifact article was already published. Oh well, I promise to distill vodka faster the next time I receive a presumptive query with the words "Satire inspired hate speech" in the title.

OfflineChedoh

7/13/2017, 10:12 pm

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/Avatars/5120_1437310712.jpg)

First and foremost I should apologize for leaving the gulag gate open on my way to tractor barn #2. If I may explain, I've had to relocate from my quarters after seeing a slow moving CNN van drive by a few nights in a row. On the last night I could almost swear on the revolution that I saw Zakaria himself in the passenger seat. So I went into hiding in the tractor barn until this whole thing blew over. Then after hearing that Politifact has threatened to light my pants on fire I took to the beet vodka to calm my nerves. It was a pleasant surprise to wake up with our beloved peoples director next to me. Maybe that CNN hit squad might think twice if they saw whose protection I was under!

Chairman Meow
7/14/2017, 8:04 am

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/Avatars/31560_1366047929.jpg)

Have you noticed that nothing I ever posted here was found to be “False Clickbate Malware” by Snopes or “Pants on Fire” by Politifact? They know that, like Thucydides, I have not ventured to speak from any chance information, nor according to any notion of my own. From their silence it is understood that the following Seal of Veracity is attached to everything I write!

(http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/42842) :ROFL:

Pol "Potsy" :ROFL:
7/14/2017, 10:40 pm

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/Avatars/4637.gif)

"What you post as satire is taken as actual fact by less discerning readers and draws them together on pages such as HuffPo."

This is a question which should be posed to all fake news outlets such as PolitiHopen'Change and the Crescent News Network.

Jon Greenberg has exceeded his allocation of impertinence and needs to report immediately to the nearest re-education camp for an "attitude adjustment" for daring to question Red Square.

tiphat :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 19, 2017, 04:17:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 19, 2017, 01:15:55 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 19, 2017, 02:26:33 AM
The above reply is an almost perfect example of deflection. tiphat

Of course it is.

You asked a direct question and instead of answering it (because
he doesn't like the honest answer) he went off on a rant about a
completely different matter.

The Democrats perfected this technique over the last 8 years.
Trumpsters are playing "catch up" in their use of this concept.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. (now we know why they lost so much)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFDsJF8VYAATkxp.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 19, 2017, 07:05:40 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 19, 2017, 04:17:45 PM

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. (now we know why they lost so much)

The response/reply of a loser.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 19, 2017, 09:07:05 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 19, 2017, 07:05:40 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 19, 2017, 04:17:45 PM

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. (now we know why they lost so much)

The response of a winner.

You're right about that. I voted for a winner because we think alike. :-*

In reality Trump won because he didn't listen to negative hemorrhoids like you and Shakespeare.

If that bothers you so much you can always become a "source" for Counterfeit News Network. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 19, 2017, 09:18:47 PM

Well, it looks like confederate getting his wish. John McCain has been diagnosed with an aggressive from of brain cancer. His days as a United states senator are numbered.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 19, 2017, 09:37:54 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 19, 2017, 09:18:47 PM

Well, it looks like Confederate getting his wish. John McCain has been diagnosed with an aggressive from of brain cancer. His days as a United states senator are numbered.

I'm pretty sure MANY other Americans feel the same way I do. He was a warmonger and he must go. Americans are exhausted from the endless wars and bloodshed in the middle east as well as the loss of Trillions of dollars.

Furthermore he had been actively undermining President Trump and I suspect he was leaking classified information.

Isn't it interesting that although he's a Veteran he did not go to the VA for his surgery? :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 19, 2017, 09:48:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 19, 2017, 09:07:05 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 19, 2017, 07:05:40 PM
Quote from: Confederate on July 19, 2017, 04:17:45 PM

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. (now we know why they lost so much)

The response of a winner.

You're right about that. I voted for a winner because we think alike. :-*

In reality Trump won because he didn't listen to negative hemorrhoids like you and Shakespeare.

If that bothers you so much you can always become a "source" for Counterfeit News Network. :chuckle:

Seriously you think?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 20, 2017, 02:46:14 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 19, 2017, 09:18:47 PM

Well, it looks like confederate getting his wish. John McCain has been diagnosed with an aggressive from of brain cancer. His days as a United states senator are numbered.

Not many other people will be feeling sorry for him too!

On the other hand.....

Welcome to Hollywood - What is your Dream?

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 20, 2017, 02:57:59 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 20, 2017, 02:46:14 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 19, 2017, 09:18:47 PM
Well, it looks like confederate getting his wish. John McCain has been diagnosed with an aggressive from of brain cancer. His days as a United states senator are numbered.

Not many other people will be feeling sorry for him too!

As many across the political spectrum will be relieved when John McCain is not part of it, I do not think anyone 'wished' brain cancer for the senator.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 20, 2017, 03:45:43 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 20, 2017, 02:57:59 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 20, 2017, 02:46:14 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on July 19, 2017, 09:18:47 PM
Well, it looks like confederate getting his wish. John McCain has been diagnosed with an aggressive from of brain cancer. His days as a United states senator are numbered.

Not many other people will be feeling sorry for him too!

As many across the political spectrum will be relieved when John McCain is not part of it, I do not think anyone 'wished' brain cancer for the senator.

I have not used the words "wish or wished"!

You have used the word "relieved" which has also the "synonyms: glad, thankful, grateful, pleased, happy"

It took you only very few min to reply and depends where you are at the moment?

USA = End of your night shift or early start of your Day trolling and probably either you had too much to drink or you are brain dead from last night! :nod: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

One thing for sure... you are not in Ukraine! :P :P :P

Forgot sake take a look on the right and start dreaming ... IF.....

Angelina on the yellow top..... looks very dishy for your appetite and better from your bottle!

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 20, 2017, 09:01:04 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 20, 2017, 02:57:59 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 20, 2017, 02:46:14 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on July 19, 2017, 09:18:47 PM
Well, it looks like confederate getting his wish. John McCain has been diagnosed with an aggressive from of brain cancer. His days as a United states senator are numbered.

Not many other people will be feeling sorry for him too!

As many across the political spectrum will be relieved when John McCain is not part of it, I do not think anyone 'wished' brain cancer for the senator.

#PullthePlug is trending on twitter. There isn't much love lost for him. Many of us feel the same way about Madeleine Albright who felt it was "worth it" to starve hundreds of thousands of Iraqi babies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 20, 2017, 10:32:40 AM

Obama Media? What Obama Media? by Red Square 2012

http://thepeoplescube.com/current-truth/obama-media-what-obama-media-t8843.html

Insulted by Romney's accusation of them doing Obama's bidding, enraged media demand immediate instructions from White House on how to respond.

But it's easy to refute: Mitt Romney's got the Obama-media relationship all wrong. In reality, every time Obama takes a breath, the mainstream media springs into existence.

Caption contest, anyone?

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/images/Bubbles_Obama_Media.jpg)

Also meet Ms. Media Bubblehead - the average mainstream media consumer. :ROFL:
(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Bubblehead_Media_Logos.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 20, 2017, 11:00:50 AM

President Obama Awards Himself Another Medal by Evil Smiley

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/president-obama-awards-himself-another-medal-t19201.html

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/Avatars/3487.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/PQycekP.jpg)

President Obama awarded himself the prestigious, 'Distinguished Public Service Medal' on Wednesday, January 4th, 2017.

During his teary-eyed presentation speech, he referred to himself some 97 times while gloriously expounding on his many accomplishments, performances and outstanding golf games.

Through tears of joy during the acceptance speech, he referred to himself another 163 times expounding upon his many successes and how smart he is.

We breathlessly await more medals of this type to be awarded to Barack Obama.

Even Alt-Right blogs such as Breitbart have been forced to acknowledge Obama's winning this much sought after accolade.

Red Square

(http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/images/avatars/Cube_Hand.gif)

I think it should say, "Barack Obama breathlessly awaits more medals to be awarded to him by Barack Obama."

Obama's Scientific Name: Narcissus Politicus

(http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/14194)

I also posted this on another thread before I saw this one. Sorry about the redundancy:

Evil Smiley - thank you for this, you brought tears to my hardened red square eye.

Your Distinguished Public Service has earned you a medal as well!

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/various_uploads/Obama_Awards_Evil_Smiley.jpg)

Just a symbolic gesture, and yet...

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/various_uploads/Obama_Awards_Medal_Che.jpg)

Bradley/Chelsea Manning could also be Obama's son/daughter.

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/various_uploads/Obama_Awards_Medal_Bradley_Manning.jpg)

Komrad Spezial K

(http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/thumb/41817)

Obama presents the Distinguished Public Service Medal to the Almighty Cthulhu.

Comrade Putout

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/Avatars/5080_1435549432.jpg)

Our own Comrade Obamugabe received a Medal of Freedom... he helped free a fellow citizen from his skeleton!

(http://thepeoplescube.com/red/gallery/more-putout-images-2-a189/obama-awards-medal-of-freedom-to-robert-mugabe-i8893.jpg)

Genosse Dummkopf

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/Avatars/159739_1461054434.jpg)

"[new] Obama's wife ..."

Means, there is HOPE for CHANGE in this pattern? :

(http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/41816)

Genosse Dummkopf

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/Avatars/159739_1461054434.jpg)

(http://thepeoplescube.com/red/gallery/genosse-dummkopf-a191/tpc-obama-narcissus-politikus-having-a-son-i8926.jpg) :ROFL:

Evil Smiley

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/Avatars/3487.jpg)

I'm going to miss all that narcissism...

(http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/42130)

Evil Smiley

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/Avatars/3487.jpg)

(http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/42134)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 20, 2017, 01:02:53 PM

Soon, very soon, Trump will appoint some special prosecutors to go after the guilty.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/fmr-u-n-amb-power-emerges-central-figure-obama-unmasking-investigation/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 20, 2017, 01:35:54 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 20, 2017, 01:02:53 PM

Soon, very soon, Trump will appoint some special prosecutors to go after the guilty.

I hope you're right!

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 20, 2017, 02:36:13 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 20, 2017, 01:02:53 PM

Soon, very soon, Trump will appoint some special prosecutors to go after the guilty.

The justice department needs to put Mueller on notice.
1. Set up boundaries and limits to his investigations
2. If something leaks he gets punished. He loses three
lieutenants next leak and three every leak from now on
and he can't hire any replacements.
3. All democrat donors are off the team effective noon tomorrow
4. A hiring freeze.

OR Trump should just fire him.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 20, 2017, 04:47:26 PM

We can only hope! I would donate money to her campaign and volunteer
to knock on doors in Iowa. I would register as a democrat to vote for her
in the primaries. She would be even better than Hillary running again!

If only she could name Nancy Pelosi as her running mate I might
have a full body orgasm. :chuckle: :laugh: :nod: :party0031:

(http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/54b6e0056bb3f7674d7f3789-2400)

MAXINE 2020? Waters appearance in NH on Sunday
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/maxine-2020-waters-appearance-nh-sunday/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 20, 2017, 04:55:27 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 20, 2017, 02:36:13 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 20, 2017, 01:02:53 PM
Soon, very soon, Trump will appoint some special prosecutors to go after the guilty.

The justice department needs to put Mueller on notice.
1. Set up boundaries and limits to his investigations
2. If something leaks he gets punished. He loses three
lieutenants next leak and three every leak from now on
and he can't hire any replacements.
3. All democrat donors are off the team effective noon tomorrow
4. A hiring freeze.

OR Trump should just fire him.

I'm worried about Trump himself firing him however the Deputy AG (Rosenstein) should be able to accomplish all your bulletin points. Although I'm not in Shakespeare's camp I do believe that at this point appearance's are important and Trump should play the DC game meaning not doing or saying anything controversial. Once Mueller is done hire a special prosecutor and go after Susan Rice, Hillary, Comey and any other felony leakers etc. FULL FORCE.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/342744-deputy-ag-rosenstein-criticizes-comeys-memo-leaks

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 20, 2017, 05:11:08 PM

If the Democrats would field such a deeply flawed person, M. Waters, it will only confirm how removed they are from the present reality. They might as well have See~Threepio, as a candidate, at least there is a mastery of language.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 20, 2017, 05:12:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 20, 2017, 04:55:27 PM

I'm worried about Trump himself firing him however the Deputy AG (Rosenstein) should be able to accomplish all your bulletin points. Although I'm not in Shakespeare's camp I do believe that at this point appearance's are important and Trump should play the DC game meaning not doing or saying anything controversial. Once Mueller is done hire a special prosecutor and go after Susan Rice, Hillary, Comey and any other felony leakers etc. FULL FORCE.

I think that Mueller could care less about the leakers, he is after Trump.
If he is going into business deals from 2008 then he isn't going to go
after some old Obama bureaucrat mole.

I have plenty to criticize Trump for but none of the same things as
Shakespeare.

Trump should get 100% of Obama's deep state operatives out the door.
Trump needs to appoint a replacement for every post that is available.
Trump needs to appoint a judge for every judicial opening and he needs
to go out and sell the repeal then replace later option for Obamacare.

He needs to hold rallies in Maine and West Virginia

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 20, 2017, 05:13:21 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 20, 2017, 05:11:08 PM

If the Democrats would field such a deeply flawed person, M. Waters, it will only confirm how removed they are from the present reality. They might as well have See~Threepio, as a candidate, at least there is a mastery of language.

They nominated Hillary Clinton, why not Maxine?

Dems see huge field emerging to take on Trump

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/342851-dems-see-huge-field-emerging-to-take-on-trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 20, 2017, 05:57:52 PM

At least one liberal has a little common sense.

Al Gore warns Democrats about accusing Trump of treason

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/342852-al-gore-warns-democrats-about-accusing-trump-of-treason

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 20, 2017, 06:50:58 PM

I think quite a few would agree with this.

Dismantling McCain's Disastrous Legacy Should Now Be Trump's Top Priority

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/dismantling-mccains-disastrous-legacy-should-now-be-trumps-top-priority/ri20443

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 20, 2017, 07:52:37 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 20, 2017, 02:36:13 PM

The justice department needs to put Mueller on notice.
1. Set up boundaries and limits to his investigations
2. If something leaks he gets punished. He loses three
lieutenants next leak and three every leak from now on
and he can't hire any replacements.
3. All democrat donors are off the team effective noon tomorrow
4. A hiring freeze.

OR Trump should just fire him.

Number #1 is something the Attorney General is legally empowered to do. All this stuff about investigating Russians who bought property from Trump in the 1990's is ridiculous.

Numbers 2, 3 and 4 are ridiculous and suggest a surprising display of a complete lack of understanding of the Special Prosecutor process.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 20, 2017, 09:00:37 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 20, 2017, 07:52:37 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 20, 2017, 02:36:13 PM
The justice department needs to put Mueller on notice.
1. Set up boundaries and limits to his investigations
2. If something leaks he gets punished. He loses three
lieutenants next leak and three every leak from now on
and he can't hire any replacements.
3. All democrat donors are off the team effective noon tomorrow
4. A hiring freeze.

OR Trump should just fire him.

Number #1 is something the Attorney General is legally empowered to do. All this stuff about investigating Russians who bought property from Trump in the 1990's is ridiculous.

Numbers 2, 3 and 4 are ridiculous and suggest a surprising display of a complete lack of understanding of the Special Prosecutor process.

The guy needs to stop the leaking, end of story. If he can't or more likely
won't then he needs to go. The Dem donors show a lot about Mueller's
judgement.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 20, 2017, 09:29:42 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 20, 2017, 05:12:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 20, 2017, 04:55:27 PM
I'm worried about Trump himself firing him however the Deputy AG (Rosenstein) should be able to accomplish all your bulletin points. Although I'm not in Shakespeare's camp I do believe that at this point appearance's are important and Trump should play the DC game meaning not doing or saying anything controversial. Once Mueller is done hire a special prosecutor and go after Susan Rice, Hillary, Comey and any other felony leakers etc. FULL FORCE.

I think that Mueller could care less about the leakers, he is after Trump.
If he is going into business deals from 2008 then he isn't going to go
after some old Obama bureaucrat mole.

I have plenty to criticize Trump for but none of the same things as
Shakespeare.

Trump should get 100% of Obama's deep state operatives out the door.
Trump needs to appoint a replacement for every post that is available.
Trump needs to appoint a judge for every judicial opening and he needs
to go out and sell the repeal then replace later option for Obamacare.

He needs to hold rallies in Maine and West Virginia

I realize Mueller is more or less after Trump; it seems obvious since he's using Democrats.

I'm saying Rosenstein should be able to limit Mueller and give him a deadline.

After that Trump can hire a much different special prosecutor (somebody like Trey Gowdy) to aggressively seek indictments against Rice, Hillary Clinton, Comey and any others.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 20, 2017, 09:39:28 PM

Had Hillary been a bit less questionable in her activities, Russian collusion would not have been an issue.
The investigation into Hillary's emails and questionable actions needs to be reopened.
Trump needs to turn this around very soon, so that he can then focus on what he was elected to do.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 21, 2017, 06:54:27 AM

Quote from: Popka! on July 20, 2017, 02:36:13 PM

3. All democrat donors are off the team effective noon tomorrow

A "conflict of interest" is NOT legally created by just donating
money. But is IS created if you worked for the Clinton Foundation
in the past.

Something I'm sure Ty Cobb will point out to Mueller in the immediate
future.

Just sayin'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 21, 2017, 09:03:35 AM

This article is a long one, but a good one. It offers a unique perspective.

How the collapse of the USSR felt from the inside by Red Square 12-30-16

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/how-the-collapse-of-the-ussr-felt-from-the-inside-t19160.html

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Poster_US_USSR_Utopian_Policies.jpg)

A reflection by a witness 25 years later

By Oleg Atbashian | First published in FrontPage Mag 12/30/2016

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/various_uploads/Oleg_balcony_1988_600.jpg)
Oleg Atbashian, still a Soviet citizen, two years prior to the collapse of the USSR.

"Just as it was in the USSR, American media now publishes articles that read like Pravda's updates on this week's current truth. American entertainers and moviemakers are consistently pushing the politically correct party line. Social media giants are seriously considering political censorship. Indoctrination in American schools and colleges is worse than what I've seen in the Soviet Union, where getting a real education was actually important. And finally, just as it was in the USSR, more and more people begin to resent the "progressive" establishment and mock the lying media.

The way I see it, the proliferation of socialist ideas is largely a consequence of the decades-long Soviet meddling in American affairs, aimed at demoralizing the public and promoting the "correct" people and opinions in places where it mattered most. According to KGB defectors, only about 15% of Soviet intelligence activities here focused on actual espionage; the rest were influence operations. Their seeds have now blossomed, long after the "gardeners" have left this earth. Today's left-wing radicals in the Democratic Party owe Russia a large debt of gratitude for their unearned power. Seeing Russia turn against them in the last election must have felt excruciatingly scary and painful; they still seem to be in shock.

History is still being written. In this country, where a citizen's voice still means something, we are a part of this writing process. Trump's victory and the movement it started makes me feel "historically optimistic" again. This winter it is America's turn to be a blank page. It is up to us what will be written on it.

"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 21, 2017, 09:40:40 AM

Red Square
(http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/images/avatars/Cube_Hand.gif)

Farewell, Obama. Finally, HOPE.

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Sunset_Obama_Hope.jpg) :bow: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 21, 2017, 10:07:18 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 20, 2017, 09:39:28 PM

Had Hillary been a bit less questionable in her activities, Russian collusion would not have been an issue.
The investigation into Hillary's emails and questionable actions needs to be reopened.
Trump needs to turn this around very soon, so that he can then focus on what he was elected to do.

How will the end of this kangaroo court be "reported" I wonder? :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFRUsz_U0AAda4S.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on July 21, 2017, 10:31:49 AM

Who’s this Sean Spicer bloke again? The one that’s just resigned...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 21, 2017, 01:05:12 PM

Quote from: Ste on July 21, 2017, 10:31:49 AM

Who’s this Sean Spicer bloke again? The one that’s just resigned...

He's an "inside the beltway" Republican who Trump hired to be his Press Secretary in order to show the Republicans in power that he was a "team player".

Spicer has an argumentative and confrontational style that alienated the press room and interfered with Trump's message. So he was recently replaced as Press Secretary and had applied for the Director of Communications job that was being created. When he found out this morning that Trump was going to offer that position to a different person (which was kind of a surprise) he resigned.

It was an ego thing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 21, 2017, 05:27:29 PM

The Democrats have more to cry about. :chuckle:

FEC Report: Democratic National Committee Is $3.3M in Debt

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/803085?section=Politics&keywords=DNC-Debt&year=2017&month=07&date=21&id=803085&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 21, 2017, 08:33:41 PM

I'm not posting this entire article, just the first part of it. Hopefully Shakespeare will read this. :coffeeread:

He Fights By Evan Sayet

"My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I’m not bothered by Donald Trump’s lack of decorum. They ask if I don’t think his tweets are “beneath the dignity of the office.”

Here’s my answer:
We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency. We tried statesmanship. Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as John McCain? We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney? And the results were always the same.

This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.

I don’t find anything “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper” about Barack Obama’s lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party. I don’t see anything “dignified” in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks. I don’t see anything “statesman-like” in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent. Yes, Obama was “articulate” and “polished” but in no way was he in the least bit “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper.”

The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.

The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.

With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America’s first wartime president in the Culture War."

https://townhall.com/columnists/evansayet/2017/07/13/he-fights-n2354580

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on July 22, 2017, 12:32:20 AM

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2nlu7pi.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 22, 2017, 11:01:39 PM

Wall Street journalist who won a Pulitzer prize for editorials critical of Obamacare found dead at 34.

http://dennismichaellynch.com/wall-street-journal-writer-found-dead-34/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 24, 2017, 07:21:50 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFS3gEsXYAAByV3.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 24, 2017, 07:33:10 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 24, 2017, 07:21:50 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFS3gEsXYAAByV3.jpg)

tiphat :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 24, 2017, 09:05:04 AM

Better living through central planning by Karl Marx Treatment Center

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/better-living-through-central-planning-t19587.html

Karl Marx Treatment Center
(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/images/avatars/Karl_Marx_Shovel.jpg)

“A Better Deal: Better Jobs, Better Wages, Better Future”

Trump had ‘The Art of the Deal.’ Now Democrats say their economic agenda is ‘A Better Deal.’

Completely sapped of power in Washington, top leaders of the Democratic Party now believe that the best way to fight a president who penned “The Art of the Deal” is with an economic agenda that they plan to call “A Better Deal.”

[There's a lot to be excited about] But Schumer especially is excited by the new focus, vowing that it’s an expression “that everyone will use — a better deal for workers, a better deal for women, a better deal for prescription-drug buyers.”

That construction — similar to the pizza slogan — is what worries some liberal critics. But the Senate leader is convinced that it will work.

“Part of this is its usability, its repetition and its relation to both the New Deal and a better deal than Trump,” Schumer said. “He’s supposed to be a dealmaker; he’s not very good at that.”

If you want your life and your self-governance to be controlled by the whims of power politics and be forced to live by the trickle-down government choices forced on you by central planning then the democrats have a plan for you.

Surely this will put the Democrats over the top in 2018.

ThePeoplesComrade
(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/Avatars/3921_1316187538.jpg)

In days gone by we manipulated thought through controlled information. The people were happy as we drifted toward that glorious collective shore. But the internet created a stumbling block. Unfettered information has confused our happy people. We must fight back with FAKE NEWS. This is much the same as our previously controlled information but more direct and proving quite satisfactory.

We shall henceforth abolish the term FAKE NEWS as a NON-PHRASE. All State Sanctioned Information shall, from this point forward be know as BETTER NEWS. (GOOD NEWS is an acceptable variant.)

(http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/42907)

Comrade Svyet

Aunt Maxie has a plan, better listen.

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Red Square
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"Better this" and "better that" work along the same lines as "Next Tuesday."

Voter: "Finally I can say I have a good life."
Democrat: "Well, but we can give you a better life."
Voter: "How?"
Democrat: "We'll give you a better world."
Voter: "Better than what?"
Democrat: "Better than this world."
Voter: "When?"
Democrat: "Next Tuesday."
Voter: "This coming Tuesday?"
Democrat: "No, not this Tuesday. Next Tuesday."
Voter (about two weeks later): "Today is Tuesday."
Democrat: "Today is THIS Tuesday. By definition it can't be next Tuesday. You'll see a better world next Tuesday as promised. What, you don't believe me?"

And so on until the voter passes to a better world. Not necessarily on Tuesday. The Democrats can claim they have fulfilled their promise. :laugh:

trashmouth
(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/images/avatars/trashmouth.png)

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 24, 2017, 10:27:24 AM

I give Trump a B- but apparently Lou Dobbs believes he deserves an A+. Until Trump fires the kangaroo court led by Mueller he's never going to truly be able to get his job done. Fire Mueller and hire Trey Gowdy to prosecute HRC, Podesta, Rice etc. Flip the tables on them ASAP and change the news cycle.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/889279880336166914

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 24, 2017, 11:27:43 AM

Computer experts and NSA veteran Bill Binney aree; DNC emails were leaked, not hacked!

https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/889527484336812033

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 24, 2017, 12:14:05 PM

Sessions out and Rudy Giuliani in? Please God, answer me just this one prayer! :laugh:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-considers-rudy-giuliani-for-attorney-general-report/article/2629475

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 24, 2017, 01:31:25 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 24, 2017, 12:14:05 PM

Sessions out and Rudy Giuliani in? Please God, answer me just this one prayer!

If Trump were to do that, after Sessions only being in office for 6 months
it would be the worst possible move in his short and troubled Presidency.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 24, 2017, 02:17:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 24, 2017, 01:31:25 PM

If Trump were to do that, after Sessions only being in office for 6 months
it would be the worst possible move in his short and troubled Presidency.

Then it MUST be the right thing to do. Sessions recused himself
without talking to the boss about it. Trump should get rid of him then
get rid of Mueller, McCabe and Rosenstein too.

Shakey always wants the GOP to do what the left says they should do.
I would also throw Reince Priebus out. You can't drain the swamp with
all the establishment types inside the administration.

I would appoint Christie and Trey Gowdy to fill the openings.
I would fire Elaine Chao if both repeal of Obamacare AND tax
reform didn't get passed in the Senate this year.

Next I would tell whoever the acting FBI director is that they have
30 days to come up with a list of leakers for prosecution. The Obama
FBI hasn't been interested in finding them. Trump needs to keep firing
people until they get interested.

Lastly, I would get every one of Obama's appointments out of the West
Wing. If Trump doesn't want to appoint somebody to take their place
then he needs to fire them and wait until he can find the right guy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 24, 2017, 02:36:31 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 24, 2017, 02:17:20 PM

Then it MUST be the right thing to do. Sessions recused himself
without talking to the boss about it. Trump should get rid of him then
get rid of Mueller, McCabe and Rosenstein too.

{sigh} So Sessions needs to check with Trump to make sure his "ethics meter" is operating properly?

Laughable.

Firing Mueller would basically be considered an admission of guilt. Having Rosenstein limit him in the scope of his investigation is the right and legal thing to do.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 24, 2017, 02:59:44 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 24, 2017, 02:17:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 24, 2017, 01:31:25 PM

If Trump were to do that, after Sessions only being in office for 6 months
it would be the worst possible move in his short and troubled Presidency.

Then it MUST be the right thing to do. Sessions recused himself
without talking to the boss about it. Trump should get rid of him then
get rid of Mueller, McCabe and Rosenstein too.

Shakey always wants the GOP to do what the left says they should do.
I would also throw Reince Priebus out. You can't drain the swamp with
all the establishment types inside the administration.

I would appoint Christie and Trey Gowdy to fill the openings.
I would fire Elaine Chao if both repeal of Obamacare AND tax
reform didn't get passed in the Senate this year.

Next I would tell whoever the acting FBI director is that they have
30 days to come up with a list of leakers for prosecution. The Obama
FBI hasn't been interested in finding them. Trump needs to keep firing
people until they get interested.

Lastly, I would get every one of Obama's appointments out of the West
Wing. If Trump doesn't want to appoint somebody to take their place
then he needs to fire them and wait until he can find the right guy.

I believe Trump should keep Rosenstein as he seems to be on Trump's side.
My worry is could Giuliani get approved as the new Attorney General?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFcnvmXXcAAAGwb.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 24, 2017, 03:06:13 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 24, 2017, 01:31:25 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 24, 2017, 12:14:05 PM
Sessions out and Rudy Giuliani in? Please God, answer me just this one prayer!

If Trump were to do that, after Sessions only being in office for 6 months
it would be the worst possible move in his short and troubled Presidency.

So says the RINO who traveled to Washington DC hoping to derail the Trump train.

How did that work out for you? You didn't learn much from that endeavor did you.

I agree with Popka. Just do the OPPOSITE of what Shakespeare would do. :laugh:

Trump should IMMEDIATELY announce he is hiring a special prosecutor to go after Hillary.

The moment he did that his base would be fired up like just before the election. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rw_recruiter on July 24, 2017, 03:28:38 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 24, 2017, 03:06:13 PM

Trump should IMMEDIATELY announce he is hiring a special prosecutor to go after Hillary.

I'm just a wee bit curious as to what the FBI finds on those smashed drives they seized today.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 24, 2017, 03:44:45 PM

Quote from: rw_recruiter on July 24, 2017, 03:28:38 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 24, 2017, 03:06:13 PM
Trump should IMMEDIATELY announce he is hiring a special prosecutor to go after Hillary.

I'm just a wee bit curious as to what the FBI finds on those smashed drives they seized today.....

Yep! I was thinking the same thing. Somebody needs to go to jail. Whether it's Debbie Wasserman Schultz or whoever.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/07/wasserman_schultz_it_aide_of_pakistani_descent_target_of_illegal_computer_data_sharing_probe.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 24, 2017, 04:00:27 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFhjl5QUwAIaso3.jpg)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 24, 2017, 04:26:07 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 24, 2017, 02:59:44 PM

I believe Trump should keep Rosenstein as he seems to be on Trump's side.
My worry is could Giuliani get approved as the new Attorney General?

He appointed Mueller as special council. Trump needs to send a
message. He needs ONLY his guys in there

The GOP won, I don't think that they understand what that means.
They have been acting as if they lost since November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 25, 2017, 08:18:13 AM

Quote from: Popka! on July 24, 2017, 04:26:07 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 24, 2017, 02:59:44 PM
I believe Trump should keep Rosenstein as he seems to be on Trump's side.
My worry is could Giuliani get approved as the new Attorney General?

He appointed Mueller as special council. Trump needs to send a
message. He needs ONLY his guys in there

The GOP won, I don't think that they understand what that means.
They have been acting as if they lost since November.

Didn't he (Rosenstein) have to do that because Sessions recused himself
and Congress which although supposedly Republican approved this
Kangaroo court?

True this, the Dems never would have approved a special prosecutor against Hillary had she won and if they controlled Congress; which makes it all the more annoying when Shakespeare acts like a representative of the Dems. :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 25, 2017, 10:05:38 AM

Popka, at least in terms of the presidency, the Republicans did NOT win!
Trump won the presidency and, as we see all the time, the Republican support for the president is not solid, honest or unanimous.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 25, 2017, 10:14:17 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 24, 2017, 03:06:13 PM

So says the RINO who traveled to Washington DC hoping to derail the Trump train.

How did that work out for you? You didn't learn much from that endeavor did you.

Huh?

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 25, 2017, 10:31:51 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 25, 2017, 10:14:17 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 24, 2017, 03:06:13 PM
So says the RINO who traveled to Washington DC hoping to derail the Trump train.

How did that work out for you? You didn't learn much from that endeavor did you.

Huh?

I don't know what the hell you're talking about. (:)

I read somewhere that you had "contacts" in WA DC and you traveled there before November 8th hoping to screw up Trump's chance of winning. I could find a link but you know you did it. Why act stupid? :coffeeread:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFmDhieU0AAa1W8.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 25, 2017, 10:33:41 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 25, 2017, 10:05:38 AM

Popka, at least in terms of the presidency, the Republicans did NOT win!
Trump won the presidency and, as we see all the time, the Republican support for the president is not solid, honest or unanimous.

Sad but true. Yesterday I was so upset with the bums I had a few minutes thinking I would switch parties.

Say what you will about the other party but they fight tooth and nail and they come together unanimously.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 25, 2017, 10:35:14 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 24, 2017, 04:00:27 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFhjl5QUwAIaso3.jpg)

Notice Shakespeare did not comment on this because back-stabbing RINO weasels like Ryan are his preferred pol.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 25, 2017, 10:38:12 AM

Quote from: Popka! on July 24, 2017, 04:26:07 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 24, 2017, 02:59:44 PM
I believe Trump should keep Rosenstein as he seems to be on Trump's side.
My worry is could Giuliani get approved as the new Attorney General?

He appointed Mueller as special council. Trump needs to send a
message. He needs ONLY his guys in there

The GOP won, I don't think that they understand what that means.
They have been acting as if they lost since November.

At least Trump is doing is job and doing it very well.

https://twitter.com/immigrant4trump/status/889707848904527872

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 25, 2017, 10:54:01 AM

Yes, shakey told us of his friends on the hill and their plans, which had his support, to steal the Republican nomination from Trump. I recall a visit to meet those contacts.

Put the discrepancy down to cognitive dissonance. It simply isn't possible to carry two versions of reality in one head. When one is forced to change the version of reality then the old stuff gets chucked out and new memories get made. That's how one rationalises the sudden change. It is weird to see it happen and, to be fair, it does not commonly happen.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 25, 2017, 10:58:38 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 25, 2017, 10:31:51 AM

I read somewhere that you had "contacts" in WA DC and you traveled there before November 8th hoping to screw up Trump's chance of winning. I could find a link but you know you did it. Why act stupid?

Oh, so spreading fake news is now your method of providing proof?

:ROFL:

While it is true I'm known by sight by every congressman and one of the senators from the state of Ohio, it has nothing to do with the Trump campaign. I lobby twice a year for the crop insurance industry and make trips to Washington DC for that purpose. My last trip was in May this year, well after the election. The last time I was in DC in 2016 was in April, well before the Trump campaign was even viable. Because of the elections, our industry didn't sponsor a trip in the fall of 2016.

Now don't you feel silly? Apology accepted.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 25, 2017, 11:01:16 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 25, 2017, 10:54:01 AM

Yes, shakey told us of his friends on the hill and their plans, which had his support, to steal the Republican nomination from Trump. I recall a visit to meet those contacts.

Put the discrepancy down to cognitive dissonance. It simply isn't possible to carry two versions of reality in one head. When one is forced to change the version of reality then the old stuff gets chucked out and new memories get made. That's how one rationalises the sudden change. It is weird to see it happen and, to be fair, it does not commonly happen.

Bwhahahahahahahahaha

Fifi, you kill me, you really do. :ROFL:

Your ability to just pull bullshit out of thin air and attempt to make it sound credible is unsurpassed.

:nod:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 25, 2017, 11:28:51 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 24, 2017, 02:36:31 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 24, 2017, 02:17:20 PM
Then it MUST be the right thing to do. Sessions recused himself
without talking to the boss about it. Trump should get rid of him then
get rid of Mueller, McCabe and Rosenstein too.

{sigh} So Sessions needs to check with Trump to make sure his "ethics meter" is operating properly?

Laughable.

Firing Mueller would basically be considered an admission of guilt. Having Rosenstein limit him in the scope of his investigation is the right and legal thing to do.

Shakey, turn down CNN. The Dems and their operatives in the press will
always say that the GOP is guilty, it's in their DNA.

The purpose of the justice department is to fight crime and not to go on
Democrat sponsored witch hunts. If Sessions can't tell the difference then
he isn't the right man for the job.

If they aren't going after Hillary because the election is over and behind us
then they don't need to hire Democrat operatives with an unlimited budget
and no restrictions to go fishing after them.

Ethics has nothing to do with this. Tell me all about the independent council
that the Obama justice department put in place to investigate IRS targeting
of conservative groups.

Firing Mueller and the rest would be saying, that the Dem's don't get to go
on political witch hunts with our justice department. The GOP needs to grow
up, grow a spine and stop playing the Dem's game when the Dem's are in
the minority.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 25, 2017, 01:06:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 25, 2017, 11:01:16 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 25, 2017, 10:54:01 AM
Yes, shakey told us of his friends on the hill and their plans, which had his support, to steal the Republican nomination from Trump. I recall a visit to meet those contacts.

Put the discrepancy down to cognitive dissonance. It simply isn't possible to carry two versions of reality in one head. When one is forced to change the version of reality then the old stuff gets chucked out and new memories get made. That's how one rationalises the sudden change. It is weird to see it happen and, to be fair, it does not commonly happen.

Bwhahahahahahahahaha

Fifi, you kill me, you really do. :ROFL:

Your ability to just pull bullshit out of thin air and attempt to make it sound credible is unsurpassed.

:nod:

No, he and I are telling the truth. Unless you or someone else has deleted the post it's there and when I have time i'll find it and point it out to you. Perhaps when you lost all that weight you also lost some brain memory cells. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 25, 2017, 01:08:30 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 25, 2017, 11:28:51 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 24, 2017, 02:36:31 PM
Quote from: Popka! on July 24, 2017, 02:17:20 PM
Then it MUST be the right thing to do. Sessions recused himself
without talking to the boss about it. Trump should get rid of him then
get rid of Mueller, McCabe and Rosenstein too.

{sigh} So Sessions needs to check with Trump to make sure his "ethics meter" is operating properly?

Laughable.

Firing Mueller would basically be considered an admission of guilt. Having Rosenstein limit him in the scope of his investigation is the right and legal thing to do.

Shakey, turn down CNN. The Dems and their operatives in the press will
always say that the GOP is guilty, it's in their DNA.

The purpose of the justice department is to fight crime and not to go on
Democrat sponsored witch hunts. If Sessions can't tell the difference then
he isn't the right man for the job.

If they aren't going after Hillary because the election is over and behind us
then they don't need to hire Democrat operatives with an unlimited budget
and no restrictions to go fishing after them.

Ethics has nothing to do with this. Tell me all about the independent council
that the Obama justice department put in place to investigate IRS targeting
of conservative groups.

Firing Mueller and the rest would be saying, that the Dem's don't get to go
on political witch hunts with our justice department. The GOP needs to grow
up, grow a spine and stop playing the Dem's game when the Dem's are in
the minority.

Bravo!! Someone who really "gets it". Why I like your posts the best.

tiphat tiphat tiphat tiphat tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on July 25, 2017, 06:51:40 PM

What's going on here then. Surely it's fake news? Girl Scouts? Don't you have Brownies in the US? This is satire in USA?

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/girl-scouts-obtain-restraining-order-against-trump

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 25, 2017, 07:14:22 PM

Quote from: Ste on July 25, 2017, 06:51:40 PM

What's going on here then. Surely it's fake news? Girl Scouts? Don't you have Brownies in the US? This is satire in USA?

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/girl-scouts-obtain-restraining-order-against-trump

OMG - If satire were to hit some over the head I wonder if it they would know what hit them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 25, 2017, 09:00:44 PM

Quote from: Ste on July 25, 2017, 06:51:40 PM

What's going on here then. Surely it's fake news? Girl Scouts? Don't you have Brownies in the US? This is satire in USA?

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/girl-scouts-obtain-restraining-order-against-trump

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

(that's how the New Yorker does it)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 26, 2017, 12:03:21 AM

Aid to Debbie Wasserman Schultz arrested at Dulles International airport trying to flee the USA. This could be the end of the Democratic party's long criminal career right here. Or maybe not. :laugh:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/25/feds-arrest-it-staffer-for-wasserman-schultz-trying-to-leave-country.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rw_recruiter on July 26, 2017, 01:40:18 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 26, 2017, 12:03:21 AM

Aid to Debbie Wasserman Schultz arrested at Dulles International airport trying to flee the USA. This could be the end of the Democratic party's long criminal career right here. Or maybe not. :laugh:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/25/feds-arrest-it-staffer-for-wasserman-schultz-trying-to-leave-country.html

Doubtful. I got $50 on suicide by gun to the back of his head while out on bail.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 26, 2017, 04:50:31 AM

Until recently I would not have been one of those who believe that the United States used political assassination in its domestic politics, foreign affairs, assassination by the USA has always been a given.

Now, while I am sure that some of the unfortunate accidents and premature deaths are exactly as they seem, there's quite a few too many cases of political thorns in sides dying too soon.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 26, 2017, 05:27:40 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 26, 2017, 04:50:31 AM

Until recently I would not have been one of those who believe that the United States used political assassination in its domestic politics, foreign affairs, assassination by the USA has always been a given.

Now, while I am sure that some of the unfortunate accidents and premature deaths are exactly as they seem, there's quite a few too many cases of political thorns in sides dying too soon.

It is the total sum of deaths, compared to the odds. We are not speaking about the United States as such but of one family, not unlike Stalin in the USSR. Think Trotsky, et al.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 26, 2017, 06:41:09 AM

I understand but it isn't just them. They might be the most noticeable but these days convenient deaths seem to be something of the norm. For example, if the Anwar blokes get it, chances are that it wouldn't be a Clinton hit. Their shenanigans, the Anwars that is, are only tangentially connected to Clinton, through the Democrat party machine. Assassination is a fine tool, a tool used with discretion. Clinton and her clan are insulated by one or perhaps two layers and it is those layers who would take action because doing so would protect their own position. The Clinton clan would not risk acting unless the threat impinged upon them directly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 26, 2017, 11:43:24 AM

Quote from: rw_recruiter on July 26, 2017, 01:40:18 AM

Doubtful. I got $50 on suicide by gun to the back of his head while out on bail.

Three bullet holes to the back of the noggin and ruled a suicide. "He had a real 'death grip' on the gun, DC police said...."

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on July 26, 2017, 12:01:26 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 26, 2017, 11:43:24 AM

Quote from: rw_recruiter on July 26, 2017, 01:40:18 AM
Doubtful. I got $50 on suicide by gun to the back of his head while out on bail.

Three bullet holes to the back of the noggin and ruled a suicide. "He had a real 'death grip' on the gun, DC police said...."

B/B

Reminds me of the movie Absolute Power

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 26, 2017, 01:43:23 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 25, 2017, 11:28:51 AM

Firing Mueller and the rest would be saying, that the Dem's don't get to go
on political witch hunts with our justice department. The GOP needs to grow
up, grow a spine and stop playing the Dem's game when the Dem's are in
the minority.

Didn't Nixon teach you anything?

Trump CANNOT fire Mueller.

He can order Rosenstein to do it. Then Rosenstein will either comply or resign.

And just who would Trump be able to get confirmed by the Senate to replace Sessions if he kicks him out?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on July 26, 2017, 02:34:21 PM

Quote from: yankee on July 26, 2017, 12:01:26 PM

Reminds me of the movie Absolute Power

Absolutely a good movie! I enjoyed it and the innuendo in the storyline.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 26, 2017, 07:19:33 PM

Quote from: Markje on July 26, 2017, 02:34:21 PM

Quote from: yankee on July 26, 2017, 12:01:26 PM
Reminds me of the movie Absolute Power
Absolutely a good movie! I enjoyed it and the innuendo in the storyline.

As R. Reagan came to power there was 'Being There' on so many levels the plot and depictions were brilliant.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on July 26, 2017, 09:10:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 26, 2017, 01:43:23 PM

Trump CANNOT fire Mueller.

He can order Rosenstein to do it. Then Rosenstein will either comply or resign.

This article explains if anyone is interested.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-trump-could-oust-sessions-if-he-declines-to-quit/ar-AAoT0q4?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 26, 2017, 10:04:06 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 26, 2017, 11:43:24 AM

Quote from: rw_recruiter on July 26, 2017, 01:40:18 AM
Doubtful. I got $50 on suicide by gun to the back of his head while out on bail.

Three bullet holes to the back of the noggin and ruled a suicide. "He had a real 'death grip' on the gun, DC police said...."

B/B

You guys are thinking too small. Think bigger. :laugh:

https://twitter.com/minnman47/status/890421530882187270

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 27, 2017, 10:42:35 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 26, 2017, 01:43:23 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 25, 2017, 11:28:51 AM
Firing Mueller and the rest would be saying, that the Dem's don't get to go
on political witch hunts with our justice department. The GOP needs to grow
up, grow a spine and stop playing the Dem's game when the Dem's are in
the minority.

Didn't Nixon teach you anything?

Trump CANNOT fire Mueller.

He can order Rosenstein to do it. Then Rosenstein will either comply or resign.

And just who would Trump be able to get confirmed by the Senate to replace Sessions if he kicks him out?

An acting attorney general can fire Mueller, they don't have to be confirmed.
You are arguing the minutia. Trump can get rid of ANYBODY in the executive
branch except the VP.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 27, 2017, 02:45:54 PM

Graham should be focusing on the health care issue. Having seen now how the republican party is pissing away their opportunities to use the majority power, I wonder if they will accomplish anything worthwhile?

Top Republican drafting bill to protect special counsel

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40745673

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 27, 2017, 02:51:11 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 27, 2017, 10:42:35 AM

An acting attorney general can fire Mueller, they don't have to be confirmed.
You are arguing the minutia. Trump can get rid of ANYBODY in the executive
branch except the VP.

He can't fire a special prosecutor - as I accurately mentioned and Texas confirmed up thread.

Again, just whom do you think he's going to get confirmed by the US Senate if he fires Sessions?

Trump is not king. Better consult the Vacancies Reform Act before you make such statements.
In order for any appointed replacement to immediately take over the job responsibilities he/she
will had to have already been confirmed by the Senate for another position.

You can only make a recess appointment if the Senate goes into recess for more than 10 days.
You really think the Republican Senate is going to go into recess in August if he "disses" one of
their highly regarded cohorts? They'll do the same thing they did to Obama with "pro forma sessions"
to prevent him from making recess appointments.

Trump's advisers aren't stupid. He isn't going to fire Sessions until he has a replacement lined
up of which the Republican Senate members strongly approve. That's going to take months to
accomplish if they seriously started the process today.

LIMIT the investigative scope of the Special Prosecutor is the winning answer. Trump needs to
direct his Assistant AG to do that as quickly as possible.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 27, 2017, 08:05:34 PM

Wow! This is interesting. Hopefully Priebus is on his way out. I don't trust him myself.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/scaramucci-calls-priebus-schizophrenic-in-expletive-filled-rant/ar-AAoWir9?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 27, 2017, 08:24:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 27, 2017, 02:51:11 PM

He can't fire a special prosecutor - as I accurately mentioned and Texas confirmed up thread.

Again, just whom do you think he's going to get confirmed by the US Senate if he fires Sessions?

Trump is not king. Better consult the Vacancies Reform Act before you make such statements.
In order for any appointed replacement to immediately take over the job responsibilities he/she
will had to have already been confirmed by the Senate for another position.

You can only make a recess appointment if the Senate goes into recess for more than 10 days.
You really think the Republican Senate is going to go into recess in August if he "disses" one of
their highly regarded cohorts? They'll do the same thing they did to Obama with "pro forma sessions"
to prevent him from making recess appointments.

Trump's advisers aren't stupid. He isn't going to fire Sessions until he has a replacement lined
up of which the Republican Senate members strongly approve. That's going to take months to
accomplish if they seriously started the process today.

LIMIT the investigative scope of the Special Prosecutor is the winning answer. Trump needs to
direct his Assistant AG to do that as quickly as possible.

Shake,

Of course limiting the investigative scope would be the best, but I seriously doubt
that Mueller would agree to it any more than Archibald Cox would agree to it during
Nixon's time.

Here is an article describing three scenarios that Trump could use.
https://www.justsecurity.org/43477/sessions-succession-scenarios/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 27, 2017, 08:54:03 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 27, 2017, 08:24:28 PM

Of course limiting the investigative scope would be the best, but I seriously doubt
that Mueller would agree to it any more than Archibald Cox would agree to it during
Nixon's time.

Of course he would. He has no other legal option.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 02:27:15 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 18, 2016, 11:46:52 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2016, 11:25:38 AM
WEAR that badge PROUD like you own it, you collaborator.

I'm no friend of Obama. In fact I'm on record saying he's the worst US President since James Buchanan and the most corrupt since Ulysses Grant.

But Grant's corruption looks like "amateur hour" compared to what Hillary Clinton will bring with her when she wins the election. You "Trumpsters" will be 100% responsible for her successful campaign and the resulting slew of progressive judges she will successfully appoint to the federal bench because you united behind a political nincompoop who is the only possible candidate that Hillary Clinton could beat in a nationwide general election.

Any of the other 16 potential candidates would probably be 10+ points on the lead in the polls right now, but instead of talking about Clinton corruption as exposed by Wikileaks, we're mired in having to defend Trump's narcissistic mental disorder and resulting runaway labido.

Does that clear things up for ya?

Thanks "Trumpsters" (and I use it in the same derogatory tones as when I use the word "hipsters")

Walking down memory lane here, remembering a RINO telling us Trump would not win...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 03:35:19 AM

Hopefully soon...

https://twitter.com/surfermom77/status/890767760275292160

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 28, 2017, 12:03:53 PM

Below is a copy advertising.
Would seem everything Trump is doing serves a purpose.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 28, 2017, 12:22:35 PM

Long overdue!

Republicans call for second special counsel to probe Clinton, Lynch and more

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/07/28/republicans-call-for-second-special-counsel-to-probe-clinton-lynch-and-more.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 28, 2017, 12:38:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 27, 2017, 08:54:03 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 27, 2017, 08:24:28 PM
Of course limiting the investigative scope would be the best, but I seriously doubt
that Mueller would agree to it any more than Archibald Cox would agree to it during
Nixon's time.

Of course he would. He has no other legal option.

Who has no other legal option?

Mueller or Trump?

You know that regulations are different than laws?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 12:51:12 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 03:35:19 AM

Hopefully soon...

https://twitter.com/surfermom77/status/890767760275292160

https://twitter.com/pjgentle/status/891007325116477440

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 01:08:38 PM

Can things get any more bizarre?

http://yournewswire.com/john-mccain-aide-pedophile-ring/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF2C3H6XkAA1SZz.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 28, 2017, 02:10:02 PM

The ONLY option that makes sense is the complete and total repeal of Obamacare in its entirety and allowing the Republicans to combine the ideas of different Senators to establish a free market healthcare system that actually serves the best interest of the public and the taxpayer.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 28, 2017, 02:13:04 PM

Confederate:

Your accusation concerning Senator Mc Cain is complete and total bullshit.

You really need to fact check stuff before you post.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 28, 2017, 02:16:48 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 28, 2017, 12:38:14 PM

Who has no other legal option?

Mueller or Trump?

Mueller.

His investigation MUST be within the confines of what the AJ (or in this case the Assistant AJ dictates)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 28, 2017, 03:13:31 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 28, 2017, 02:16:48 PM

Mueller.

His investigation MUST be within the confines of what the AG (or in this case the Assistant AG dictates)

I don't think Mueller will accept being reigned in. He is a partisan operative, he
is already far off the reservation. They have already looked into everything remotely
connected to the Russians tricking Hillary into not campaigning in Wisconsin. They
are now looking into a real estate sale that Trump made in 2008! simply because
the guy was Russian.

I have a Russian wife, he could investigate me next.
They need to get a reign on Mueller or fire him and his team and I wouldn't assume
that Rosenstein is looking out for Trumps best interest and that he will have to be
fired to get Mueller under control.

The independent council law expired in 1999. The Clinton justice department made
some declarations and wrote a bunch of regulations. Trump could form a group of
white house lawyers get together and write a few regulations of their own. They
have the right to fire Mueller for cause. He isn't independent, he is too close to
some of the primary's he leaks and he's off the reservation, any of which could
be grounds for firing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 28, 2017, 03:51:25 PM

Trump Ousts Chief of Staff Priebus, Installs Ret. Gen. Kelly

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-ousts-chief-staff-priebus-installs-ret-gen-kelly-n787656

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 03:55:31 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 28, 2017, 03:51:25 PM

Trump Ousts Chief of Staff Priebus, Installs Ret. Gen. Kelly

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-ousts-chief-staff-priebus-installs-ret-gen-kelly-n787656

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 04:02:01 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 28, 2017, 02:13:04 PM

Confederate:

Your accusation concerning Senator Mc Cain is complete and total bullshit.

You really need to fact check stuff before you post.

What accusation is that? McCain had to be pardoned for behaving like Jane Fonda and singing like a canary to the enemy.

McCain is not well liked by Veterans, in fact he was known as a hothead during his West Point days. He was involved in the Forrestal disaster and only because he's the son of an Admiral was he not court marshaled. McCain just behaved like the treasonous traitor that he is and voted with the Democrats against repealing Obama Care. Why am I not surprised that you're sticking up for #TraitorMcCain ???

Furthermore he leaked information and he was involved in the bogus dossier about President Trump. He's a traitor to our President and a warmongering traitor to this nation. The sooner he resigns or succumbs to brain cancer the better off this nation will be by far.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF0kJb7XgAEwuvj.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFzbcXlXkAA_Zx8.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF1A0HOV0AAbA1e.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 04:15:56 PM

The Goldwater: Traitor John McCain Betrays The People To Vote NO on repeal of ObamaCare.

http://www.thegoldwater.com/news/5749-Traitor-John-McCain-Betrays-The-People-To-Vote-NO-On-Repeal-Of-Obamacare

Anonymous 7/28/2017 0:27:41 No. 5750
John McCain is a war criminal who should be tried and hung for the USS Forrestal incident, let alone his war crimes committed in Vietnam, his traitorous behavior while imprisoned by the Vietnamese, and the back door deep state deals that are holding up progress on health care reform.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 28, 2017, 04:23:56 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 04:02:01 PM

What accusation is that? McCain had to be pardoned for behaving like Jane Fonda and singing like a canary to the enemy.

Yes that bullshit accusation. You're acting like a complete and total internet whack job.

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 04:02:01 PM

McCain is not well liked by Veterans, in fact he was known as a hothead during his West Point days.

BTW, he went to Annapolis and not West Point.

Obviously, more fact checking and less senseless keyboard pecking needed :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 28, 2017, 04:31:41 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 28, 2017, 03:13:31 PM

I don't think Mueller will accept being reigned in. He is a partisan operative, he
is already far off the reservation. They have already looked into everything remotely
connected to the Russians tricking Hillary into not campaigning in Wisconsin. They
are now looking into a real estate sale that Trump made in 2008! simply because
the guy was Russian.

I have a Russian wife, he could investigate me next.
They need to get a reign on Mueller or fire him and his team and I wouldn't assume
that Rosenstein is looking out for Trumps best interest and that he will have to be
fired to get Mueller under control.

The independent council law expired in 1999. The Clinton justice department made
some declarations and wrote a bunch of regulations. Trump could form a group of
white house lawyers get together and write a few regulations of their own. They
have the right to fire Mueller for cause. He isn't independent, he is too close to
some of the primary's he leaks and he's off the reservation, any of which could
be grounds for firing.

Since Rosenstein hasn't set the limits on what he can investigate he can
basically investigate anything he wants.

Rosenstein has to set those limits immediately. Once he does anything
Mueller discovers outside of those boundaries cannot be released or used
for criminal prosecution.

Should he find something outside of the boundaries set by Rosenstein,
Mueller must go back to Rosenstein and seek authority investigate those
additional areas.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 04:32:47 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 28, 2017, 04:23:56 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 04:02:01 PM
What accusation is that? McCain had to be pardoned for behaving like Jane Fonda and singing like a canary to the enemy.

Yes that bullshit accusation. You're acting like a complete and total internet whack job.

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 04:02:01 PM
McCain is not well liked by Veterans, in fact he was known as a hothead during his West Point days.

BTW, he went to Annapolis and not West Point.

Obviously, more fact checking and less senseless keyboard pecking needed :ROFL:

You're quibbling over a small error. It's NOT a bullshit accusation, many records on McCain are either sealed or the press protects him like they protect Hillary. And why not? They're both Globalists and they're both liberal Democrats.

Again, why am I not surprised you would stand up for #TraitorMcCain instead of standing up for the American people and our President? :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 04:38:10 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 28, 2017, 04:23:56 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 04:02:01 PM
What accusation is that? McCain had to be pardoned for behaving like Jane Fonda and singing like a canary to the enemy.

Yes that bullshit accusation. You're acting like a complete and total internet whack job.

You owe me an apology Shakespeare. There's audio below and it is clearly John McCain. :coffeeread:

John McCain Admits To Being War Criminal Pardoned By President Richard Nixon [Fact Check]
Read more at http://www.business2community.com/government-politics/john-mccain-admits-war-criminal-pardoned-president-richard-nixon-fact-check-01798228#YYwaSeD2kvjLYzMD.99

Sen. McCAIN: I wrote a confession. I was guilty of war crimes against the Vietnamese people. I intentionally bombed women and children.
Read more at http://www.business2community.com/government-politics/john-mccain-admits-war-criminal-pardoned-president-richard-nixon-fact-check-01798228#emlikusjixfsh7RO.99

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 04:57:50 PM

Shakespeare's "hero". :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF219XYUMAAEfdo.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on July 28, 2017, 05:11:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 04:38:10 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 28, 2017, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 04:02:01 PM
What accusation is that? McCain had to be pardoned for behaving like Jane Fonda and singing like a canary to the enemy.

Yes that bullshit accusation. You're acting like a complete and total internet whack job.

You owe me an apology Shakespeare. There's audio below and it is clearly John McCain. :coffeeread:

John McCain Admits To Being War Criminal Pardoned By President Richard Nixon [Fact Check]
Read more at http://www.business2community.com/government-politics/john-mccain-admits-war-criminal-pardoned-president-richard-nixon-fact-check-01798228#YYwaSeD2kvjLYzMD.99

Sen. McCAIN: I wrote a confession. I was guilty of war crimes against the Vietnamese people. I intentionally bombed women and children.
Read more at http://www.business2community.com/government-politics/john-mccain-admits-war-criminal-pardoned-president-richard-nixon-fact-check-01798228#emlikusjixfsh7RO.99

As a Vietnam veteran I disagree with you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 28, 2017, 05:21:59 PM

Claims of John McCain admitting he was a war criminal are not exactly correct.

Fact Check Political News

John McCain Admitted He Was a 'War Criminal

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/warcriminal.asp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on July 28, 2017, 06:23:21 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 28, 2017, 05:21:59 PM

Claims of John McCain admitting he was a war criminal are not exactly correct.

Fact Check Political News

John McCain Admitted He Was a 'War Criminal

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/warcriminal.asp

I was never a POW but I can imagine what it is like,

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 06:38:27 PM

Quote from: yankee on July 28, 2017, 06:23:21 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 28, 2017, 05:21:59 PM
Claims of John McCain admitting he was a war criminal are not exactly correct.

Fact Check Political News

John McCain Admitted He Was a 'War Criminal

http://www.snopes.com/politics/mccain/warcriminal.asp
I was never a POW but I can imagine what it is like,

Snopes has already been discredited as a tool of the DNC.

I never said he wasn't tortured. I said he admitted to being a war criminal and he had to be pardoned.

He also made propaganda films for the Viet Cong. He's not trustworthy. Recently he was photographed w/ ISIS.

Worse than that he's been disloyal to President Trump and he's disloyal to his party. He's a RAT & a warmonger.

His POW records were sealed. Why is that? Many Veterans would like to know.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DC2wV1aUwAIse_5.jpg)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 28, 2017, 06:51:18 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 04:02:01 PM

What accusation is that? McCain had to be pardoned for behaving like
Jane Fonda and singing like a canary to the enemy.

McCain is not well liked by Veterans, in fact he was known as a hothead
during his West Point days. He was involved in the Forrestal disaster and
only because he's the son of an Admiral was he not court marshaled.

Furthermore he leaked information and he was involved in the bogus dossier about President Trump. He's a traitor to our President and a warmongering traitor to this nation. The sooner he resigns or succumbs to brain cancer the better off this nation will be by far.

I'm not a McCain fan either, but you've got some bad information on him.
McCain went to the Naval Academy in Annapolis not West Point and he
graduated 894th out of 899 so he was smarter than 4 people. I'm not
sure which of the Forrestal incidents you were talking about the
Forrestal fire?

McCain is a RINO who only gets in the press when he stabs his own
party in the back, but he wasn't anything like Jane Fonda and accounted
well during the war and his confinement.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 06:53:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 06:38:27 PM

I said he admitted to being a war criminal and he had to be pardoned.

Worse than that he's been disloyal to President Trump and he's disloyal to his party. He's a RAT & a warmonger.

While I am not a fan of J. McCain, I doubt you can find any actual proof to the fact that he was pardoned. Free hint the information is available on the Department of Justice web site. It will only cost you your time.

His comments (speech) regarding the vote to repeal 'Obama care' was both intelligent and eloquent. He represents a view point that is not popular and that comes from both his background and life expierence. The comments of R. Paul make the most sense, but I doubt anyone will listen.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 06:57:48 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 28, 2017, 06:51:18 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 04:02:01 PM

What accusation is that? McCain had to be pardoned for behaving like
Jane Fonda and singing like a canary to the enemy.

McCain is not well liked by Veterans, in fact he was known as a hothead
during his West Point days. He was involved in the Forrestal disaster and
only because he's the son of an Admiral was he not court marshaled.

Furthermore he leaked information and he was involved in the bogus dossier about President Trump. He's a traitor to our President and a warmongering traitor to this nation. The sooner he resigns or succumbs to brain cancer the better off this nation will be by far.

I'm not a McCain fan either, but you've got some bad information on him.
McCain went to the Naval Academy in Annapolis not West Point and he
graduated 894th out of 899. I'm not sure which of the Forrestal incidents
you were talking about the Forrestal fire?

McCain is a RINO who only gets in the press when he stabs his own
party in the back, but he wasn't anything like Jane Fonda and accounted
well during the war and his confinement.

I already said to Shakespeare that he was quibbling over West Point vs. the Naval Academy. Other than that I don't have bad information on him. He likely never would have been admitted but for being an Admiral's son. His POW records were sealed. Yes, the Forrestal Disaster aka Fire. He is the guy who set that going. He would have been court marshaled right there and should have been, but again as an Admiral's son he was not. He absolutely did NOT account well during the war; you're yet another believing MSM propaganda about him.

Veterans on McCain.

https://sheriffali.com/tag/nixon-pardons-john-mccain/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 07:00:29 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 06:53:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 06:38:27 PM
I said he admitted to being a war criminal and he had to be pardoned.

Worse than that he's been disloyal to President Trump and he's disloyal to his party. He's a RAT & a warmonger.

While I am not a fan of J. McCain, I doubt you can find any actual proof to the fact that he was pardoned. Free hint the information is available on the Department of Justice web site. It will only cost you your time.

His comments (speech) regarding the vote to repeal 'Obama care' was both intelligent and eloquent. He represents a view point that is not popular and that comes from both his background and life expierence. The comments of R. Paul make the most sense, but I doubt anyone will listen.

I've already posted the link. His POW records are sealed. He's a disloyal rat to his party and to the American people who elected Trump. He ran on a promise to repeal Obama Care and he just sank that repeal early this morning.

McCain and the bogus Trump dossier.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/john-mccain-admits-handing-donald-trump-russia-dossier-claims-to-fbi-intelligence-leak-republican-a7523551.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 07:18:06 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 07:00:29 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 06:53:32 PM
Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 06:38:27 PM
I said he admitted to being a war criminal and he had to be pardoned.

Worse than that he's been disloyal to President Trump and he's disloyal to his party. He's a RAT & a warmonger.

While I am not a fan of J. McCain, I doubt you can find any actual proof to the fact that he was pardoned. Free hint the information is available on the Department of Justice web site. It will only cost you your time.

His comments (speech) regarding the vote to repeal 'Obama care' was both intelligent and eloquent. He represents a view point that is not popular and that comes from both his background and life expierence. The comments of R. Paul make the most sense, but I doubt anyone will listen.

I've already posted the link. His POW records are sealed. He's a disloyal rat to his party and to the American people who elected Trump. He ran on a promise to repeal Obama Care and he just sank that repeal early this morning.

McCain and the bogus Trump dossier.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/john-mccain-admits-handing-donald-trump-russia-dossier-claims-to-fbi-intelligence-leak-republican-a7523551.html

Sorry the link is 'Fake News' but it has been around for maybe two decades.

As for the independent.co.uk link - where is the sin?

"The Arizona senator confirmed on Wednesday that he passed on the information after not being able to make a judgement on its accuracy."

“" Late last year, I received sensitive information that has since been made public. Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgement about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI,” he wrote in a statement to clarify his involvement in the scandal."

Yes the dossier amounted to nothing new maybe it is time to move on? Note the article is from mid January 2017.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 07:27:03 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 07:18:06 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 07:00:29 PM
Quote from: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 06:53:32 PM
Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 06:38:27 PM
I said he admitted to being a war criminal and he had to be pardoned.

Worse than that he's been disloyal to President Trump and he's disloyal to his party. He's a RAT & a warmonger.

While I am not a fan of J. McCain, I doubt you can find any actual proof to the fact that he was pardoned. Free hint the information is available on the Department of Justice web site. It will only cost you your time.

His comments (speech) regarding the vote to repeal 'Obama care' was both intelligent and eloquent. He represents a view point that is not popular and that comes from both his background and life expierence. The comments of R. Paul make the most sense, but I doubt anyone will listen.

I've already posted the link. His POW records are sealed. He's a disloyal rat to his party and to the American people who elected Trump. He ran on a promise to repeal Obama Care and he just sank that repeal early this morning.

McCain and the bogus Trump dossier.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/john-mccain-admits-handing-donald-trump-russia-dossier-claims-to-fbi-intelligence-leak-republican-a7523551.html

Sorry the link is 'Fake News' but it has been around for maybe two decades.

As for the independent.co.uk link - where is the sin?

"The Arizona senator confirmed on Wednesday that he passed on the information after not being able to make a judgement on its accuracy."

“" Late last year, I received sensitive information that has since been made public. Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgement about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI,” he wrote in a statement to clarify his involvement in the scandal. ""

Note the article is from mid January 2017.

He's a two-faced back stabbing RAT. There are other sources regarding him and that dossier. He's been accused of leaking felony information to harm President Trump. He just deliberately voted against repealing Obama Care after running that he would repeal it.

His POW records were sealed but many Veterans in the know state he made propaganda films for the North Vietnamese and worse than that gave them classified data about US flight information which harmed the mission. The USS Forrestal fire was covered up as well, again due to him being an Admiral's son.

He's a traitor to the Republican party, to his home state, to the President and to the American people. Furthermore he's a warmonger and does NOT represent what is best for US foreign policy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 07:35:44 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 07:18:06 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 07:00:29 PM
Quote from: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 06:53:32 PM
Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 06:38:27 PM
I said he admitted to being a war criminal and he had to be pardoned.

Worse than that he's been disloyal to President Trump and he's disloyal to his party. He's a RAT & a warmonger.

While I am not a fan of J. McCain, I doubt you can find any actual proof to the fact that he was pardoned. Free hint the information is available on the Department of Justice web site. It will only cost you your time.

His comments (speech) regarding the vote to repeal 'Obama care' was both intelligent and eloquent. He represents a view point that is not popular and that comes from both his background and life expierence. The comments of R. Paul make the most sense, but I doubt anyone will listen.

I've already posted the link. His POW records are sealed. He's a disloyal rat to his party and to the American people who elected Trump. He ran on a promise to repeal Obama Care and he just sank that repeal early this morning.

McCain and the bogus Trump dossier.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/john-mccain-admits-handing-donald-trump-russia-dossier-claims-to-fbi-intelligence-leak-republican-a7523551.html

Sorry the link is 'Fake News' but it has been around for maybe two decades.

As for the independent.co.uk link - where is the sin?

"The Arizona senator confirmed on Wednesday that he passed on the information after not being able to make a judgement on its accuracy."

“" Late last year, I received sensitive information that has since been made public. Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgement about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the Director of the FBI,” he wrote in a statement to clarify his involvement in the scandal."

Yes the dossier amounted to nothing new maybe it is time to move on? Note the article is from mid January 2017.

PS. the terms "fake news" and "conspiracy theories" are terms created by the CIA to discredit anyone seeking the truth. Time to move on you say? Tell that to the DNC and their Kangaroo court leader Mueller.

Hopefully soon tables will be turned with Hillary and company being properly investigated.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 07:38:26 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 07:27:03 PM

He's a two-faced back stabbing RAT. There are other sources regarding him and that dossier. He's been accused of leaking felony information to harm President Trump. He just deliberately voted against repealing Obama Care after running that he would repeal it.

His POW records were sealed but many Veterans in the know state he made propaganda films for the North Vietnamese and worse than that gave them classified data about US flight information which harmed the mission. The USS Forrestal fire was covered up as well, again due to him being an Admiral's son.

He's a traitor to the Republican party, to his home state, to the President and to the American people. Furthermore he's a warmonger and does NOT represent what is best for US foreign policy.

As the expression goes; 'where's the beef.'

The above is your perception based on the biased media that you digest. I can understand your displeasure in some of his votes. In fact voting against the so-called 'skinny repeal' may just turn out to be the right thing. Why should you and I subsidize insurance companies?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 28, 2017, 07:53:31 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 07:38:26 PM

In fact voting against the so-called 'skinny repeal' may just turn out to be the right thing.

I agree completely!

The "Slim Repeal" is a horrible idea and is still based on the flawed and failed premises of Obamacare. Passing it would only slightly delay the eventual path of 100% single-payer socialized medicine. That is something that should NEVER happen in the USA. The government has failed completely in a smaller version of single payer healthcare called the Veterans Administration. What allows us as taxpayers to think we can trust them to do a better job with 100x the responsibility?

Do it right or don't do it at all!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 09:37:51 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 07:38:26 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 07:27:03 PM
He's a two-faced back stabbing RAT. There are other sources regarding him and that dossier. He's been accused of leaking felony information to harm President Trump. He just deliberately voted against repealing Obama Care after running that he would repeal it.

His POW records were sealed but many Veterans in the know state he made propaganda films for the North Vietnamese and worse than that gave them classified data about US flight information which harmed the mission. The USS Forrestal fire was covered up as well, again due to him being an Admiral's son.

He's a traitor to the Republican party, to his home state, to the President and to the American people. Furthermore he's a warmonger and does NOT represent what is best for US foreign policy.

As the expression goes; 'where's the beef.'

The above is your perception based on the biased media that you digest.

What you call biased I call legitimate. The real biased news sources are the mainstream media sources, owned by a select few corporations with CIA editors working at them. They tell you what to think, how to think and they omit what are genuine newsworthy stories. Have you noticed the media silence on the Debbie Wasserman Schultz IT scandal? Why is that? The mainstream media colluded with Hillary Clinton and they collude with the MIC.

Don't lecture about biased news when in fact you've done little to question it. You also call 9/11 theories about what really happened "conspiracy theories". Why is that? What's your motivation? Perhaps you're incredibly blind or perhaps Wiz is onto something about you.

Even Fox news which is pro Trump has been compromised. Have you ever once heard Fox come out against what our English friends call the "endless wars" in the middle east? Nope. There's your clue about who they represent.

Here's a story never covered by the main news sources. Is it biased in your opinion?

http://www.mintpressnews.com/governments-own-data-shows-us-interfered-in-81-foreign-elections/226143/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 09:44:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 28, 2017, 07:53:31 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 07:38:26 PM
In fact voting against the so-called 'skinny repeal' may just turn out to be the right thing.

I agree completely!

The "Slim Repeal" is a horrible idea and is still based on the flawed and failed premises of Obamacare. Passing it would only slightly delay the eventual path of 100% single-payer socialized medicine. That is something that should NEVER happen in the USA. The government has failed completely in a smaller version of single payer healthcare called the Veterans Administration. What allows us as taxpayers to think we can trust them to do a better job with 100x the responsibility?

Do it right or don't do it at all!

McCain and the rest of the RINO bums will be voted out soon enough; 2018 is right around the corner. For 8 long years we heard these do nothing liars promise to do something about Obama Care and now as usual we get nothing.

The Democrats are laughing and they should be. Democrats vote as a unified party and time and time again Republicans let the voters down. This Kangaroo court with Mueller is just the latest example of the ineptitude and weakness of Republicans.

Soon enough there will be single payer universal healthcare and no matter how bad it will be the fault will be with you and the rest of the weasel RINO's you love so much. The do nothing hot air worthless Republicans who worked tirelessly against their own President and against the wishes of the voters who put the bums in office. :dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 10:09:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 03, 2016, 07:46:43 AM

Quote from: Anteros on March 02, 2016, 07:41:59 PM
Sorry bud but the people will be making the choice this time around, unless your crooks in DC find a way to assassinate Trump before he wins the Presidency.

Funny you should mention that. Not an "Assassination" in literal terms, but an "Assassination" in political terms and it begins today. By the time they're done, he will not win the nomination.

For those of you from foreign countries (like West Coast and Andrewfi) that are interested in the historical perspective of what is going on, just put the following words in your internet browser and start reading.

BULL MOOSE PARTY

Oh, and the first salvo was fired this morning -

http://warontherocks.com/2016/03/open-letter-on-donald-trump-from-gop-national-security-leaders/

This says it all . . . . . . . .

"We commit ourselves to working energetically to prevent the election of someone so utterly unfitted to the office."

Uh huh. The treasonous traitor who said he didn't try to change the election...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2017, 10:10:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2016, 04:56:41 PM

Just got off the phone with my connections on Capital Hill. The people in charge don't give up easy. Something is afoot. More later. Don't count your money yet Anteros.

more treasonous words from our RINO about his "connections on Capital Hill".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 11:59:14 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 09:37:51 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 07:38:26 PM
Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 07:27:03 PM
He's a two-faced back stabbing RAT. There are other sources regarding him and that dossier. He's been accused of leaking felony information to harm President Trump. He just deliberately voted against repealing Obama Care after running that he would repeal it.

His POW records were sealed but many Veterans in the know state he made propaganda films for the North Vietnamese and worse than that gave them classified data about US flight information which harmed the mission. The USS Forrestal fire was covered up as well, again due to him being an Admiral's son.

He's a traitor to the Republican party, to his home state, to the President and to the American people. Furthermore he's a warmonger and does NOT represent what is best for US foreign policy.

As the expression goes; 'where's the beef.'

The above is your perception based on the biased media that you digest.

What you call biased I call legitimate. The real biased news sources are the mainstream media sources, owned by a select few corporations with CIA editors working at them. They tell you what to think, how to think and they omit what are genuine newsworthy stories. Have you noticed the media silence on the Debbie Wasserman Schultz IT scandal? Why is that? The mainstream media colluded with Hillary Clinton and they collude with the MIC.

Don't lecture about biased news when in fact you've done little to question it. You also call 9/11 theories about what really happened "conspiracy theories". Why is that? What's your motivation? Perhaps you're incredibly blind or perhaps Wiz is onto something about you.

Even Fox news which is pro Trump has been compromised. Have you ever once heard Fox come out against what our English friends call the "endless wars" in the middle east? Nope. There's your clue about who they represent.

Here's a story never covered by the main news sources. Is it biased in your opinion?

http://www.mintpressnews.com/governments-own-data-shows-us-interfered-in-81-foreign-elections/226143/

You have an almost amazing dysfunctionality in not answering a simple question. Some call it the Moby swerve, I think it is more the Confederate duck.

As for the thread about the United States meddling in foreign elections, I have before noted the same earlier. Even telling Wiz that the America actions in Greece were shameful at the very least. Please tell us something new.

Perhaps the reality Confederate is I do not have a multi online persona's and (usually) do not resort to insults when challenged.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 29, 2017, 12:10:39 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 11:59:14 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 09:37:51 PM
Quote from: AvHdB on July 28, 2017, 07:38:26 PM
Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 07:27:03 PM
He's a two-faced back stabbing RAT. There are other sources regarding him and that dossier. He's been accused of leaking felony information to harm President Trump. He just deliberately voted against repealing Obama Care after running that he would repeal it.

His POW records were sealed but many Veterans in the know state he made propaganda films for the North Vietnamese and worse than that gave them classified data about US flight information which harmed the mission. The USS Forrestal fire was covered up as well, again due to him being an Admiral's son.

He's a traitor to the Republican party, to his home state, to the President and to the American people. Furthermore he's a warmonger and does NOT represent what is best for US foreign policy.

As the expression goes; 'where's the beef.'

The above is your perception based on the biased media that you digest.

What you call biased I call legitimate. The real biased news sources are the mainstream media sources, owned by a select few corporations with CIA editors working at them. They tell you what to think, how to think and they omit what are genuine newsworthy stories. Have you noticed the media silence on the Debbie Wasserman Schultz IT scandal? Why is that? The mainstream media colluded with Hillary Clinton and they collude with the MIC.

Don't lecture about biased news when in fact you've done little to question it. You also call 9/11 theories about what really happened "conspiracy theories". Why is that? What's your motivation? Perhaps you're incredibly blind or perhaps Wiz is onto something about you.

Even Fox news which is pro Trump has been compromised. Have you ever once heard Fox come out against what our English friends call the "endless wars" in the middle east? Nope. There's your clue about who they represent.

Here's a story never covered by the main news sources. Is it biased in your opinion?

http://www.mintpressnews.com/governments-own-data-shows-us-interfered-in-81-foreign-elections/226143/

You have an almost amazing dysfunctionality in not answering a simple question. Some call it the Moby swerve, I think it is more the Confederate duck.

As for the thread about the United States meddling in foreign elections, I have before noted the same earlier. Even telling Wiz that the America actions in Greece were shameful at the very least. Please tell us something new.

There's no swerve; it's you who was trying to deflect which is your usual way of drawing attention away from the glare of McCain's treasonous behavior.

If an answer about subsidizing healthcare is so important to you, the answer is easy. Repeal light would be far better than the usual BS from Republicans which is yet another big fat NOTHING.

We're going to keep Obama Care meantime thanks to these do nothing pols. And if Democrats win in 2018 it will be the fault of Republicans who FAILED to do something, anything, yet again.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 29, 2017, 12:26:41 AM

Quack! Quack! ??? You are pretty pathetic duck Confederate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 29, 2017, 08:28:44 AM

AvHdb's got nothing as usual so he attempts to deflect even more. :laugh:

Meanwhile Republicans must get rid of the traitor in their midst soon.

https://twitter.com/JohnKStahlUSA/status/891302825266880512

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 29, 2017, 08:30:58 AM

President Trump naming his new White House Chief of Staff. Priebus gone.

https://twitter.com/StockMonsterUSA/status/891062747802214400

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 29, 2017, 12:25:08 PM

Someone expressed concern about my reaction to Senator McCain jinxing the healthcare bill and just in general.

Not to worry, I believe McCain will not win re-election or he will succumb to his disease. Yet I've also got concerns: concerns that certain persons (like McCain and Lindsey Graham) have tried to derail Trump's presidency. Trump was duly elected and when those disloyal to him attempt to harm him they're also disrespecting the will of the people.

I have also expressed my concern that US foreign policy, in particular in the middle east, is not to the benefit of world peace nor in the genuine interests of the USA.

I will try to use more diplomatic language in regards to McCain and others, although it's hard. I believe he and others should be called out. I also don't believe much of anything anymore from the MSM unless it's generic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 29, 2017, 12:29:09 PM

We the People who elected President Trump and who elected a Republican Congress keep hoping that Congress will do their jobs. Start be re-opening an investigation into Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice and a few others.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF6Ghc0UIAAFAQg.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 29, 2017, 03:41:49 PM

The economy has been quickly improving since Trump won the Presidency and this chart offers evidence of that.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF7FC-gVwAAFiIs.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 29, 2017, 03:45:26 PM

ICE nabs 114 illegals in a week long sting in New York. US immigration law being enforced under Trump.

http://truepundit.com/ice-arrests-114-in-huge-new-york-operation/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 29, 2017, 03:54:21 PM

Trump's troubles far from over with Kelly as new Chief of Staff. Opinion piece by Doug Schoen, a Democratic strategist.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/29/trumps-troubles-are-far-from-over-with-kelly-as-new-chief-staff-might-even-get-worse.html

(this link has some good Fox news footage for those in Europe who might be interested, featuring Jesse Watters)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 29, 2017, 07:37:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 29, 2017, 03:54:21 PM

Trump's troubles far from over with Kelly as new Chief of Staff. Opinion piece by Doug Schoen, a Democratic strategist.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/29/trumps-troubles-are-far-from-over-with-kelly-as-new-chief-staff-might-even-get-worse.html

(this link has some good Fox news footage for those in Europe who might be interested, featuring Jesse Watters)

My favorite anchor at Fox News, Katherine Timpf. ;D :loving:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRJKeTeW8AEq4Fg.jpg)

I wish they would report more on the corrupt Divorce Court Lawyers and Judges, though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 29, 2017, 10:51:31 PM

Quote from: ?ManyQuestions? on July 29, 2017, 07:37:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 29, 2017, 03:54:21 PM
Trump's troubles far from over with Kelly as new Chief of Staff. Opinion piece by Doug Schoen, a Democratic strategist.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/29/trumps-troubles-are-far-from-over-with-kelly-as-new-chief-staff-might-even-get-worse.html

(this link has some good Fox news footage for those in Europe who might be interested, featuring Jesse Watters)

My favorite anchor at Fox News, Katherine Timpf. ;D :loving:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRJKeTeW8AEq4Fg.jpg)

I wish they would report more on the corrupt Divorce Court Lawyers and Judges, though.

Katherine Timpf is a cutey and intelligent and sassy. There are many fine women to appreciate on Fox.

They don't call it Fox news for nothing! Perhaps they should call it Foxy news. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 30, 2017, 05:29:39 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 29, 2017, 10:51:31 PM

My favorite anchor at Fox News, Katherine Timpf. ;D :loving:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRJKeTeW8AEq4Fg.jpg)

I wish they would report more on the corrupt Divorce Court Lawyers and Judges, though.

Katherine Timpf is a cutey and intelligent and sassy. There are many fine women to appreciate on Fox.

They don't call it Fox news for nothing! Perhaps they should call it Foxy news. :laugh:
[/quote]

Obviously your taste of women..... is very different .... you like Barbies...types..short with fat legs... :laugh:

Take a look at the right of your screen and see the Real beauties..... with copliments of our host....RUA!

Looks those assets ans suntan!

http://loveme.com/mp/info342.htm

http://loveme.com/mp/info344.htm

Start learning Russsian.....

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 30, 2017, 09:04:00 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 30, 2017, 05:29:39 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 29, 2017, 10:51:31 PM
My favorite anchor at Fox News, Katherine Timpf. ;D :loving:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRJKeTeW8AEq4Fg.jpg)

I wish they would report more on the corrupt Divorce Court Lawyers and Judges, though.

Katherine Timpf is a cutey and intelligent and sassy. There are many fine women to appreciate on Fox.

They don't call it Fox news for nothing! Perhaps they should call it Foxy news. :laugh:

Obviously your taste of women..... is very different .... you like Barbies...types..short with fat legs... :laugh:

Take a look at the right of your screen and see the Real beauties..... with copliments of our host....RUA!

Looks those assets ans suntan!

http://loveme.com/mp/info342.htm

http://loveme.com/mp/info344.htm

Start learning Russsian.....

:ROFL:
[/quote]

Wiz, I like all kinds of women. (Well, except for the obese and morbidly obese kind.) I already had a look on the sidebar a few years ago and I like what I see. ;D

But, come on Wiz. Even you've got to admit that Katherine Timpf is pretty attractive.

(http://frostsnow.com/uploads/gossip/2017/01/08/joel-pavelski-is-not-the-boyfriend-of-katherine-timpf-she-is-currently-single.jpg)

As for Russian, I have already started down that road, starting 4 years ago.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0140120416/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Unfortunately, I am one of the few in this city that understands basic Ruski Yazuikye. Everyone else wants to learn Espanol. No one will practice the Russian language with me and when I sing pyesna's v Ruski, everyone gets confused looks on their faces, even the Hispanic people here.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 30, 2017, 09:11:04 AM

https://twitter.com/2Chron169/status/891651846858735616

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 09:26:10 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 29, 2017, 08:30:58 AM

President Trump naming his new White House Chief of Staff. Priebus gone.

This could be a FANTASTIC move when it comes to increasing the perception
of credibility and professionalism in the White House. But Trump MUST modify
his behavior in the following ways:

1) Kelly 100% controls who gets to see the President and when they get to see
him - that includes "potty mouth" Scaramucci, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner.

2) Trump MUST surrender some control of what he tweets to the approval of Kelly.

Kelly is just the guy to restore order to a chaotic and disorganized White House.
If Trump cedes some control to Kelly then he probably improves his chances of
re-election in 2020 to 50-50. If he doesn't, Kelly won't put up with this crap and
will resign turning Trump into the longest serving "lame duck" in our nations history.

Trump is running out of chances to turn his administration around from being a
clown show to effective leadership. I hope for our country's sake, he finally grows
up and starts acting remotely Presidential.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 30, 2017, 10:42:06 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF_0ZccUMAAmatj.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 30, 2017, 10:43:56 AM

Quote from: ?ManyQuestions? on July 30, 2017, 09:04:00 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 30, 2017, 05:29:39 AM
Quote from: Confederate on July 29, 2017, 10:51:31 PM
My favorite anchor at Fox News, Katherine Timpf. ;D :loving:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRJKeTeW8AEq4Fg.jpg)

I wish they would report more on the corrupt Divorce Court Lawyers and Judges, though.

Katherine Timpf is a cutey and intelligent and sassy. There are many fine women to appreciate on Fox.

They don't call it Fox news for nothing! Perhaps they should call it Foxy news. :laugh:

Obviously your taste of women..... is very different .... you like Barbies...types..short with fat legs... :laugh:

Take a look at the right of your screen and see the Real beauties..... with copliments of our host....RUA!

Looks those assets ans suntan!

http://loveme.com/mp/info342.htm

http://loveme.com/mp/info344.htm

Start learning Russsian.....

:ROFL:

Wiz, I like all kinds of women. (Well, except for the obese and morbidly obese kind.) I already had a look on the sidebar a few years ago and I like what I see. ;D

But, come on Wiz. Even you've got to admit that Katherine Timpf is pretty attractive.

(http://frostsnow.com/uploads/gossip/2017/01/08/joel-pavelski-is-not-the-boyfriend-of-katherine-timpf-she-is-currently-single.jpg)

As for Russian, I have already started down that road, starting 4 years ago.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0140120416/ref=nav_timeline_asin?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

Unfortunately, I am one of the few in this city that understands basic Ruski Yazuikye. Everyone else wants to learn Espanol. No one will practice the Russian language with me and when I sing pyesna's v Ruski, everyone gets confused looks on their faces, even the Hispanic people here.
[/quote]

Wiz is right. On second glance she's so so. Short with fat legs. :chuckle:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 30, 2017, 12:20:57 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 09:26:10 AM

But Trump MUST modify
his behavior in the following ways:

1) Kelly 100% controls who gets to see the President and when they get to see
him - that includes "potty mouth" Scaramucci, Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner.

2) Trump MUST surrender some control of what he tweets to the approval of Kelly.

Kelly is just the guy to restore order to a chaotic and disorganized White House.
If Trump cedes some control to Kelly then he probably improves his chances of
re-election in 2020 to 50-50. If he doesn't, Kelly won't put up with this crap and
will resign turning Trump into the longest serving "lame duck" in our nations history.

Trump is running out of chances to turn his administration around from being a
clown show to effective leadership. I hope for our country's sake, he finally grows
up and starts acting reasonably Presidential.

Trump isn't going to follow any of your recommendations. You need to stop
hyperventilating about him and start hyperventilating about the do nothing
GOP in congress.

He's going to win a second term (if he runs) because the Democrats are going
to put up a left wing nut job to run against him. The Dems don't know why
they lost. They think it was because Hillary was too centrist_1,2,3,4 and too capitalist. They think that she was totally exonerated on her server₅ and
the Clinton money laundering and bath house foundation.
and not because she was bent too much and that nobody liked her.

So the Dems are going to give us a gimme next election.

Lastly, the clown show/clown car is how the far left Dems characterize the
GOP.

1. https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/07/19/centrist-dems-future/
2. http://www.gq.com/story/drew-magary-the-democrats-are-doomed
3. https://www.fastcompany.com/40438265/tech-billionaire-mark-pincus-admits-he-was-blindsided-by-the-backlash-to-win-the-future
4. https://iranian.com/2017/07/06/centrist-tech-billionaires-wont-save-democrats/
5. http://www.salon.com/2017/04/15/hillary-hatred-exposed-what-drives-americas-never-ending-case-against-clinton/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 12:47:22 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 30, 2017, 12:20:57 PM

Trump isn't going to follow any of your recommendations.

Then he's going to have a failed presidency.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 30, 2017, 01:30:39 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 12:47:22 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 30, 2017, 12:20:57 PM

Trump isn't going to follow any of your recommendations.

Then he's going to have a failed presidency.

By whose terms? Yours?

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 30, 2017, 01:32:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 09:26:10 AM

...Trump MUST modify his behavior....

I see the flaw in your plan...

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 01:37:33 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 30, 2017, 12:20:57 PM

He's going to win a second term (if he runs) because the Democrats are going
to put up a left wing nut job to run against him.

Oh I don't disagree that is going to happen.

He's going to get "primaried" out. The Republican establishment
will change the rules so he can't win the nomination with 35% of the
vote in 2020.

My bold prediction is that Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio will be the 46th
President of the United States.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 30, 2017, 01:41:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 01:37:33 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 30, 2017, 12:20:57 PM

He's going to win a second term (if he runs) because the Democrats are going
to put up a left wing nut job to run against him.

Oh I don't disagree that is going to happen.

He's going to get "primaried" out. The Republican establishment
will change the rules so he can't win the nomination with 35% of the
vote in 2020.

My bold prediction is that Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio will be the 46th
President of the United States.

Fat chance. What kind of odds will you give me that Trump will be the 46th President?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 01:45:53 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 30, 2017, 01:30:39 PM

By whose terms? Yours?

B.B. I want the guy to be successful, I really do!

But he's been allowing the White House to be operated like
the Shriner's run their mini cars in a parade.

I was at the USMC Basic School with Kelly. The guy is a 4-star
USMC general. He wouldn't have taken the job without Trump
agreeing to abide by some basic ground rules for White House
chain-of-command procedures.

If Trump doesn't become just a bit more conventionally presidential
he isn't going to get squat done of a permanent nature. The Obama
presidency taught us you cannot make any permanent political policy
change simply issuing executive orders.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 01:46:54 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 30, 2017, 01:41:41 PM

Fat chance. What kind of odds will you give me that Trump will be the 46th President?

You know I pay my bets Anteros.

What kind of odds will you give me he won't be re-elected?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 30, 2017, 01:48:04 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 01:37:33 PM

Oh I don't disagree that is going to happen.

He's going to get "primaried" out. The Republican establishment
will change the rules so he can't win the nomination with 35% of the
vote in 2020.

Wishful thinking. It only works if he loses his base a-la LBJ, which is entirely possible, but it's a different reason. And even if he does, Trump's base won't take kindly to the Establishment GOP pulling that sort of crap.

Quote from: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 01:37:33 PM

My bold prediction is that Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio will be the 46th President of the United States.

I think it would be Mike Pence...and it may be sooner than you think.

The GOP is more right wing and evangelical than you are, Shakey, and Pence is carrying their banner.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 30, 2017, 01:51:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 01:46:54 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 30, 2017, 01:41:41 PM
Fat chance. What kind of odds will you give me that Trump will be the 46th President?

You know I pay my bets Anteros.

What kind of odds will you give me he won't be re-elected?

Who the hell is Anteros? somebody please tell me.

Let's wait until early 2020 and we can discuss odds then.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 01:59:49 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 30, 2017, 01:48:04 PM

I think it would be Mike Pence...and it may be sooner than you think.

The GOP is more right wing and evangelical than you are, Shakey, and Pence is carrying their banner.

B/B

That is also a distinct possibility.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 30, 2017, 02:18:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 01:46:54 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 30, 2017, 01:41:41 PM
Fat chance. What kind of odds will you give me that Trump will be the 46th President?

You know I pay my bets Anteros.

What kind of odds will you give me he won't be re-elected?

Anteros, Is another member that used to post very much in the style you do Confederate. A thread that I recall was regarding 'Creation" eventually locked. He was both dogmatic and unremitting. When he was active some one whispered something regarding him to me. I discounted that story strongly.

What was also told to me and it is important lesson, 'judge the post, not the poster', I suspect if he let this principle guide us some of the personal stuff would not arise. In that respect most of the time Andrew is spot on.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 02:23:05 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 30, 2017, 01:51:15 PM

Let's wait until early 2020 and we can discuss odds then.

Well how sporting is that? You want to make a KY Derby bet when
the horses are at the 5 furlong pole?

Not very strong in your convictions are you?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 02:32:39 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 30, 2017, 02:18:12 PM

Anteros, Is another member that used to post very much in the style you do Confederate.

For the record, I made a $500 bet with Anteros on the
outcome of the 2016 Presidential election. I lost and
paid him in full.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 31, 2017, 02:09:34 AM

Quote from: ?ManyQuestions? on July 30, 2017, 09:04:00 AM

But, come on Wiz. Even you've got to admit that Katherine Timpf is pretty attractive.

(http://frostsnow.com/uploads/gossip/2017/01/08/joel-pavelski-is-not-the-boyfriend-of-katherine-timpf-she-is-currently-single.jpg)

Bleach blonde, run of the mill with silicon....... In Russia and Ukraine cannot afford silicon or Botox what you see is what you get....... :ROFL:

Don't forget Russian women know how to run on the snow... with high hills too. :chuckle:

Now if you ever visit the Greek islands......you will be amazed what you can see on the beaches.

Whenever I visited Florida etc.......I was not impressed and there were the majority overweight... or....too fat to look at.... ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rw_recruiter on July 31, 2017, 02:20:22 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 31, 2017, 02:09:34 AM

Whenever I visited Florida etc.......I was not impressed and there were the majority overweight... or....too fat to look at.... ;D

You must have missed Miami fashion week....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 31, 2017, 02:30:19 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 31, 2017, 02:09:34 AM

Quote from: ?ManyQuestions? on July 30, 2017, 09:04:00 AM

But, come on Wiz. Even you've got to admit that Katherine Timpf is pretty attractive.

(http://frostsnow.com/uploads/gossip/2017/01/08/joel-pavelski-is-not-the-boyfriend-of-katherine-timpf-she-is-currently-single.jpg)

Bleach blonde, run of the mill with silicon....... In Russia and Ukraine cannot afford silicon or Botox what you see is what you get....... :ROFL:

Don't forget Russian women know how to run on the snow... with high hills too. :chuckle:

Now if you ever visit the Greek islands......you will be amazed what you can see on the beaches.

Whenever I visited Florida etc.......I was not impressed and there were the majority overweight... or....too fat to look at.... ;D

Wiz, I agree!

Usually I am attracted to women with glasses, in this case it just says boring blonde.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 31, 2017, 03:55:25 AM

Quote from: rw_recruiter on July 31, 2017, 02:20:22 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 31, 2017, 02:09:34 AM
Whenever I visited Florida etc.......I was not impressed and there were the majority overweight... or....too fat to look at.... ;D

You must have missed Miami fashion week....

Yes I did but....I always stayed in hotels right on the beach! :P

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 31, 2017, 06:51:23 AM

Quote from: msmoby on July 31, 2017, 06:05:01 AM

Wiz and AvHdb: Re Ms Timpf - the lass is easily young enough to be your daughter and when 'ol gits pass subjective judgement on the looks of such young ladies - who are hardly unattractive - I wonder what they would say about you ? ;)

Anyone who merchandizes her self in the way portrayed is subject to judgement by anyone and everyone. I suspect Moby based on your comment you will not look at paintings made during the Victorian period depicting naked humans, your loss.

I will remind posters 'matters of personal opinion are not subject to discussion'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 31, 2017, 07:38:29 AM

US Army begins construction process on the wall.

https://twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/892014266571776000

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on July 31, 2017, 08:10:12 AM

Probably fall down like most of your bridges lol!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 31, 2017, 09:14:26 AM

Quote from: Ste on July 31, 2017, 08:10:12 AM

Probably fall down like most of your bridges lol!!

I'd rather have a bridge here or there fall down than an entire continent. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 31, 2017, 11:18:42 AM

A 35 Million dollar pay to play attempt?

https://twitter.com/NewtTrump/status/891855238864547841

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on July 31, 2017, 01:04:08 PM

Fred Karno or what??

Scaramucci out as Trump media chief
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40782299

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 31, 2017, 01:28:01 PM

Quote from: Ste on July 31, 2017, 01:04:08 PM

Fred Karno or what??

Scaramucci out as Trump media chief
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40782299

As I predicted.

Scaramucci was told he had to clear his access to Trump through Kelly and he didn't agree so he resigned.

There is a new "sheriff" in town and even Trump is listening to him.

Now hopefully we'll start making some real progress on the Trump agenda!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 31, 2017, 01:35:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 31, 2017, 01:28:01 PM

Quote from: Ste on July 31, 2017, 01:04:08 PM
Fred Karno or what??

Scaramucci out as Trump media chief
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40782299

As I predicted.

Scaramucci was told he had to clear his access to Trump through Kelly and he didn't agree so he resigned.

There is a new "sheriff" in town and even Trump is listening to him.

Now hopefully we'll start making some real progress on the Trump agenda!

I don't recall you predicting but I agree that it's a good thing. Hard for Trump not to respect and listen to Kelly.

My own prediction about what happens next is Sessions takes over Homeland Security and Trump hires Giuliani although will Congress approve Giuliani? They know Clinton, Rice and company will be indicted if they do. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on July 31, 2017, 02:45:39 PM

As the noted Irishman, writer and gaylord Oscar Wilde once said, "To lose one media chief may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 01, 2017, 08:10:30 AM

I've cleaned up the last two or three pages of this thread.

Moby, Wiz and others, let's keep this thread on topic please.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 01, 2017, 09:25:47 AM

Scaramucci did his job. He was not due to take over until August 15th but his purpose was attained. Let's see if he gets the job he wanted, as I recall that was Ex Im Bank.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 01, 2017, 10:45:06 AM

Hired, cussed out his coworkers, had a baby, got divorced, fired. 11 days of the "Mooch". :chuckle:

https://twitter.com/2Chron169/status/892419431795761153

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on August 01, 2017, 10:46:06 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 01, 2017, 08:10:30 AM

I've cleaned up the last two or three pages of this thread.

Moby, Wiz and others, let's keep this thread on topic please.

I understand that we went :offtopic: the last few pages on this thread and you have every right to clear it, BUT you did not have to completely delete those posts. Simply you could split the thread and move them to a new one in the usual playground where are similar threads, EXCEPT if you are PC (politically Correct) and we are not allowed to speak about women, which I don't thing it's the case.

This thread has become similar to "Santa Barbara" serial and it's boring us to tears and naturally went :offtopic:.
BTW the US is not the navel of the world, there are many other events taking place around the Globe
and especially in Russia, Venezouela, Syria and the EU.

Personally I have no intention getting involved in your Santa Barbara serial, I have more important things to do in my life!

Manny will not be happy with the loses on the post count ... for his advertisers.!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 01, 2017, 10:59:48 AM

Is there a connection between the IT staffer who worked for Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Seth Rich?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGJaZSGVYAA6gK-.jpg:large

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 01, 2017, 11:27:23 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 01, 2017, 10:59:48 AM

Is there a connection between the IT staffer who worked for Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Seth Rich?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGJaZSGVYAA6gK-.jpg:large

A Clinton ?

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 01, 2017, 11:50:11 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 01:37:33 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 30, 2017, 12:20:57 PM

He's going to win a second term (if he runs) because the Democrats are going
to put up a left wing nut job to run against him.

Oh I don't disagree that is going to happen.

He's going to get "primaried" out. The Republican establishment
will change the rules so he can't win the nomination with 35% of the
vote in 2020.

My bold prediction is that Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio will be the 46th
President of the United States.

While that is a bold prediction, they can't hand it to Cruz or Rubio
with less than 35% either. The establishment wanted Jeb, they gave
him over $100 million dollars and don't forget the establishment hate
Cruz at least as much as they hate Trump.

The two guys the establishment hated the most got first and second
in the GOP primary. The establishment can only give money, they have
proven they don't know how to get votes. I think that there is a better
chance that Trump won't run. In which case I think Pence has the edge.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 01, 2017, 12:39:11 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 01, 2017, 11:27:23 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 01, 2017, 10:59:48 AM
Is there a connection between the IT staffer who worked for Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Seth Rich?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGJaZSGVYAA6gK-.jpg:large

A Clinton ?

There's a rumor that something big in regards to Seth Rich is going to break in the media. We heard that before though and it went nowhere fast. So I'll believe it when I see it.

If a Trump had been paying off an IT staffer it would be running 24/7. So far the main media has been totally silent about the IT scandal. :coffeeread:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07/boom-imran-awan-access-email-every-member-congress-sold-secrets-foreign-agents-video/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 02, 2017, 11:21:59 AM

Yet another suspicious death...

https://www.infowars.com/highly-redacted-documents-confirm-michael-hastings-under-fbi-investigation/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 02, 2017, 11:25:24 AM

Once "conspiracy theory" gets attached a story never gets covered by MSM...

https://www.infowars.com/media-completely-ignores-bombshell-seymour-hersh-revelations-on-seth-rich/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 02, 2017, 12:11:33 PM

Gingrich & Anderson: Pass GOP tax cuts by Thanksgiving or get ready for Speaker Pelosi
Republicans don't have time to overhaul the whole health system or tax code. Notching a big win that has immediate effects is a better approach.

read all about it here
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/02/pass-gop-tax-cuts-thanksgiving-get-ready-speaker-nancy-pelosi/529438001/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 02, 2017, 12:29:13 PM

Dodgy Debbie IT Scandal

(http://i.iheart.com/v3/re/new_assets/5981f7178ad329436ac3ca73?ops=max%28750%2C0%29%2Cquality%2880%29)

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/congressional-investigation-wasserman-schultz-scandal-moves-forward/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 02, 2017, 12:41:36 PM

Senator Kid Rock?
Don't laugh (too much)
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/23/kid-rock-run-senate-serious-michigan-analysis-215408

In my musical opinion this song sucks,
American Bad Ass

Here is a song that I like

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 02, 2017, 01:19:05 PM

Quote from: Popka! on August 02, 2017, 12:41:36 PM

Senator Kid Rock?
Don't laugh (too much)

Debbie Stabenow is the ranking member of the Senate Agriculture Committee and I've met her several times in the past 3-4 years. I actually was part of a small group that met with her in her office concerning the pilot crop insurance program for cherries in Michigan. I would classify her as "moderate Democrat"

I find it doubtful that Kid Rock would pose a serious primary contender to a 3 term Senator who won with 59% of the vote in her last election but stranger things have happened in primary elections.

Mod Note: Sorry about the edit to your original post. I wasn't paying attention and I used the edit function instead of the quote function to reply to your message. I was able to restore the original links but not the picture.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 02, 2017, 03:03:53 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 02, 2017, 01:19:05 PM

I would classify her as "moderate Democrat"

I find it doubtful that Kid Rock would pose a serious primary contender to a 3 term Senator who won with 59% of the vote in her last election but stranger things have happened in primary elections.

The problem with moderate democrats is that they still vote with their
minority leader 90% of the time. Neil Gorsuch and 99% of Trumps cabinet
got nay votes.

Kid Rock belongs to the GOP so that he wouldn't be running against Stabby
in the primary. He does lead all Republicans by quite a bit and today he is
even ahead of Stabby, but she will probably wax the floor with him.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/07/31/american-bad-ass-kid-rock-leads-democrat-by-two-trounces-gop-primary-challengers-in-new-mi-poll-n2361595

Quote from: shakespear on August 02, 2017, 01:19:05 PM

Mod Note: Sorry about the edit to your original post. I wasn't paying attention and I used the edit function instead of the quote function to reply to your message. I was able to restore the original links but not the picture.

No worries, accidents happen.

Here's a couple of photos of Kid Rock for those who don't know him
Patriotic Kid
(https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/58a49ea32900002200f2694a.jpeg?cache=qxolrjdmiy&ops=scalefit_720_noupscale)

At the links
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/08/21/article-0-025FD80A00000578-145_468x483.jpg)

At the polls
(http://thecelebritycafe.com/wp-content/uploads/kidrockpoll.jpg)

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/92/92e9cbcd0ba95272b238a865c8b640853455e31b4b44322370f7b150a83c165e.jpg)

With GOP loser Mittens Romney
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/Politics/gty_mitt_romney_kid_rock_ll_120606_wmain.jpg)

(http://www.bestoftees.com/products/3/16617245.png)

With Pamela Anderson
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a8/cd/23/a8cd23e3818fdee342d4db2144502cee.jpg)

Here's a video of Kid Rock in Joe Dirt, one of the funniest movies of all time

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 02, 2017, 03:51:46 PM

I was going to say that Kid Rock would win, just think about Trump winning, but then I saw he shook hands with Mitt Romney. Now he'll lose for sure. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 02, 2017, 04:05:21 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 02, 2017, 01:19:05 PM

Quote from: Popka! on August 02, 2017, 12:41:36 PM
Senator Kid Rock?
Don't laugh (too much)

Debbie Stabenow is the ranking member of the Senate Agriculture Committee and I've met her several times in the past 3-4 years. I actually was part of a small group that met with her in her office concerning the pilot crop insurance program for cherries in Michigan. I would classify her as "moderate Democrat"

I find it doubtful that Kid Rock would pose a serious primary contender to a 3 term Senator who won with 59% of the vote in her last election but stranger things have happened in primary elections.

Mod Note: Sorry about the edit to your original post. I wasn't paying attention and I used the edit function instead of the quote function to reply to your message. I was able to restore the original links but not the picture.

Yeah, Trump won the Primary in the Presidential election. :laugh:

Then the most impossible thing happened, he won it outright!

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 02, 2017, 04:53:35 PM

Little over 6 months into Trump's presidency and the Dow continues to climb to record highs. Job growth is steadily on the rise, and the economy in general is good.
Just think how much more could be happening if Trump didn't have to fight the liberals on e everything.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 02, 2017, 05:47:51 PM

This will drive liberals crazy. Trump says he wants immigrants who can already speak English and won't collect welfare. :chuckle:

A point system based on factors such as English ability, education levels and job skills would be created to rank applicants for the 140,000 employment-based green cards distributed annually.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/08/02/trump-gop-senators-to-introduce-bill-to-slash-legal-immigration-levels/?utm_term=.04

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 02, 2017, 06:27:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 02, 2017, 05:47:51 PM

This will drive liberals crazy. Trump says he wants immigrants who can already speak English and won't collect welfare. :chuckle:

If only they had AIDS or something really contagious and degenerative.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 02, 2017, 07:06:11 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 02, 2017, 04:53:35 PM

Little over 6 months into Trump's presidency and the Dow continues to climb to record highs. Job growth is steadily on the rise, and the economy in general is good.
Just think how much more could be happening if Trump didn't have to fight the liberals on everything.

The Dow Jones average hit a record high of 22,000 today. False rumors about Russia cannot negatively effect Trump's positive action on the economy.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/02/investing/dow-22000-trump-apple-wall-street/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 02, 2017, 09:31:21 PM

Quote from: Popka! on July 28, 2017, 06:51:18 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 28, 2017, 04:02:01 PM

What accusation is that? McCain had to be pardoned for behaving like
Jane Fonda and singing like a canary to the enemy.

McCain is not well liked by Veterans, in fact he was known as a hothead
during his West Point days. He was involved in the Forrestal disaster and
only because he's the son of an Admiral was he not court marshaled.

Furthermore he leaked information and he was involved in the bogus dossier about President Trump. He's a traitor to our President and a warmongering traitor to this nation. The sooner he resigns or succumbs to brain cancer the better off this nation will be by far.

I'm not a McCain fan either, but you've got some bad information on him.
McCain went to the Naval Academy in Annapolis not West Point and he
graduated 894th out of 899 so he was smarter than 4 people. I'm not
sure which of the Forrestal incidents you were talking about the
Forrestal fire?

McCain is a RINO who only gets in the press when he stabs his own
party in the back, but he wasn't anything like Jane Fonda and accounted
well during the war and his confinement.

I just posted a twitter link which has a great video about McCain. You should listen to what fellow Vietnam veterans and POW's have to say about him. Not good. His fellow POW's say he was not tortured; that it's all a lie.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on August 03, 2017, 01:50:04 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 02, 2017, 07:06:11 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 02, 2017, 04:53:35 PM
Little over 6 months into Trump's presidency and the Dow continues to climb to record highs. Job growth is steadily on the rise, and the economy in general is good.
Just think how much more could be happening if Trump didn't have to fight the liberals on everything.

The Dow Jones average hit a record high of 22,000 today. False rumors about Russia cannot negatively effect Trump's positive action on the economy.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/02/investing/dow-22000-trump-apple-wall-street/index.html

Stock market isn’t the economy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on August 03, 2017, 02:17:00 AM

Quote from: Ste on August 03, 2017, 01:50:04 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 02, 2017, 07:06:11 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on August 02, 2017, 04:53:35 PM
Little over 6 months into Trump's presidency and the Dow continues to climb to record highs. Job growth is steadily on the rise, and the economy in general is good.
Just think how much more could be happening if Trump didn't have to fight the liberals on everything.

The Dow Jones average hit a record high of 22,000 today. False rumors about Russia cannot negatively effect Trump's positive action on the economy.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/02/investing/dow-22000-trump-apple-wall-street/index.html

Stock market isn’t the economy.

That is what my 'Not so good to be German' thread was about. But a high stock market is good for 10s of millions of Americans with their retirement accounts invested into it. It gives them confidence to spend money into the consumer consumption economy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on August 03, 2017, 06:00:31 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 02, 2017, 05:47:51 PM

This will drive liberals crazy. Trump says he wants immigrants who can already speak English and won't collect welfare. :chuckle:

A point system based on factors such as English ability, education levels and job skills would be created to rank applicants for the 140,000 employment-based green cards distributed annually.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/08/02/trump-gop-senators-to-introduce-bill-to-slash-legal-immigration-levels/?utm_term=.04

The libs are going to be clutching their pearls over this, because *HOW* will they be able to show how GOOD they are because they are so willing to submit to a slow motion invasion of child-rapers from the Dirt World?! And where will Angelina and Charlize get their little mud babies from now?! Quelle HORREUR!!

If orcs were real, the fcuktard left would be insisting that we let orcs immigrate because: DIVERSITY!

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 03, 2017, 07:12:05 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 02, 2017, 04:05:21 PM

Yeah, Trump won the Primary in the Presidential election. :laugh:

Then the most impossible thing happened, he won it outright!

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

If Minnesota voters can elect Al Franken to the US Senate it isn't a far step to assume Michigan voters could elect Kid Rock to the Senate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 03, 2017, 10:15:42 AM

Stephen Miller rips Jim Acosta of CNN. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on August 03, 2017, 11:24:38 AM

The man is a cock-womble and wank-puffin if the highest order..

Trump 'pressed Mexico to stop talk of wall payments'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40817253

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 03, 2017, 03:19:20 PM

Quote from: Ste on August 03, 2017, 11:24:38 AM

The man is a cock-womble and wank-puffin if the highest order..

Trump 'pressed Mexico to stop talk of wall payments'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40817253

While I don't know what a wank-cock-womble puffer is, it sounds at
like it could be considered at least mildly derogatory but at least it's
at the highest order and you were inspired to write all that here today
based on an article that was written about phone calls in January?

Previously we had a red diaper doper baby in the White House, his
parents being communist quislings. Now we have a puffer womble,
such is life and I couldn't care less about any European opinion of
either president. He isn't the president of Europe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 03, 2017, 03:26:10 PM

Quote from: Ste on August 03, 2017, 11:24:38 AM

The man is a cock-womble and wank-puffin if the highest order..

Trump 'pressed Mexico to stop talk of wall payments'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-40817253

Sounds better than Corbyn convinced Israel to give back land to the Palestinians now doesn't it? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 03, 2017, 07:51:40 PM

Quote from: Ste on August 03, 2017, 01:50:04 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 02, 2017, 07:06:11 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on August 02, 2017, 04:53:35 PM
Little over 6 months into Trump's presidency and the Dow continues to climb to record highs. Job growth is steadily on the rise, and the economy in general is good.
Just think how much more could be happening if Trump didn't have to fight the liberals on everything.

The Dow Jones average hit a record high of 22,000 today. False rumors about Russia cannot negatively effect Trump's positive action on the economy.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/02/investing/dow-22000-trump-apple-wall-street/index.html

Stock market isn’t the economy.

You could have fooled me. Either way it's a good thing when the markets up. :)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGO0AsSVoAIu4JJ.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 03, 2017, 08:23:39 PM

Large Trump rally tonight in Huntington, West Virginia. The Governor of West Virginia Jim Justice announced that he is switching from the Democratic party to the Republican party after he couldn't get anything done with the Democrats.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 04, 2017, 08:16:16 AM

Embarrassing leaks. No wonder what Ste was going on about. :chuckle:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-trump-leaks-20170803-story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 04, 2017, 08:53:47 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 04, 2017, 08:16:16 AM

Embarrassing leaks. No wonder what Ste was going on about. :chuckle:

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-trump-leaks-20170803-story.html

The coins in my pocket have two sides and with most political debates or discussions there is the same reality.

Any leader should have the entirely reasonable expectation that his conversation either by e.Mail or directly on the phone remains private. This should in fact be the same principle in general. It is obvious this principle has been discarded many times in recent times.

On the other side if one looks at what Trump campaigned for as stand points and platform it is clear he will quickly move to a different position and misrepresent the reality.

So I come to the opinion that I think Manny shares, just a politician. But my guess a really S L O W learner.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 04, 2017, 09:08:11 AM

It has been noted that Mueller has 'convened' a grand jury.

While some on the Trump side see this as an attempt to impeach the President. I suspect it is the start to the end of this 'news' story. If there was something of importance or significance we ALL would have known about it yesterday via the press.

Once this issue is buried Trump if he is so inclined can go on the attack to his enemies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 04, 2017, 11:34:07 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 04, 2017, 09:08:11 AM

It has been noted that Mueller has 'convened' a grand jury.

While some on the Trump side see this as an attempt to impeach the President. I suspect it is the start to the end of this 'news' story. If there was something of importance or significance we ALL would have known about it yesterday via the press.

Once this issue is buried Trump if he is so inclined can go on the attack to his enemies.

As he should. No good deed goes unpunished when dealing with the Clinton's.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 04, 2017, 04:51:46 PM

209,000 jobs added in July, unemployment rate 4.3 percent.
Over a million jobs added under Trump's presidency.

Milestone for Trump: 1 million new jobs in six months

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/04/news/economy/july-jobs-report/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 04, 2017, 05:21:51 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 04, 2017, 04:51:46 PM

209,000 jobs added in July, unemployment rate 4.3 percent.
Over a million jobs added under Trump's presidency.

Milestone for Trump: 1 million new jobs in six months

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/04/news/economy/july-jobs-report/index.html

Milestone for Trump: 1 million new jobs in six months

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 04, 2017, 06:30:15 PM

I guess the FBI, felt it was not necessary to give the same protection for Trump.
Second the article does not say the FBI found any fake news from Russia.
When you look at the tons of negative press the liberal media spewed out against Trump, anything Russia could have tried would pale in comparison.

Friday, August 04, 2017

FBI monitored social media on Election Day for 'fake news' about Hillary Clinton: Report

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fbi-monitored-social-media-on-election-day-for-fake-news-about-hillary-clinton-report/article/2630671

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 04, 2017, 08:17:25 PM

64 Million Americans elected President Trump, NOT Russia!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGbcfqXXYAEy5lB.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on August 04, 2017, 10:05:34 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 04, 2017, 08:17:25 PM

64 Million Americans elected President Trump, NOT Russia!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGbcfqXXYAEy5lB.jpg)

Better coverage than Verizon! :chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 05, 2017, 11:00:31 AM

Quote from: B.B. on August 04, 2017, 10:05:34 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 04, 2017, 08:17:25 PM
64 Million Americans elected President Trump, NOT Russia!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGbcfqXXYAEy5lB.jpg)

Better coverage than Verizon! :chuckle:

B/B

Loud and clear! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 05, 2017, 11:02:36 AM

The myth of Russian hacking and what likely actually happened.

"Forensic studies of “Russian hacking” into Democratic National Committee computers last year reveal that on July 5, 2016, data was leaked (not hacked) by a person with physical access to DNC computers, and then doctored to incriminate Russia.

After examining metadata from the “Guccifer 2.0” July 5, 2016 intrusion into the DNC server, independent cyber investigators have concluded that an insider copied DNC data onto an external storage device, and that “telltale signs” implicating Russia were then inserted."

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/07/24/intel-vets-challenge-russia-hack-evidence/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 05, 2017, 11:08:13 AM

Trump is getting stuff done!

Trump is busy filling lower court positions with conservative justices. Ron Klain, a White House aide to Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, said that Trump "is proving wildly successful in one respect: naming youthful conservative nominees to the federal bench in record-setting numbers."

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/someone-just-noticed-that-trump-is-getting-stuff-done/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 05, 2017, 11:55:28 AM

Trump is on vacation at his golf resort in New Jersey.

Meanwhile President Putin is on vacation in Siberia.

https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/893875329663717381

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 05, 2017, 01:04:37 PM

Will Christopher Wray indict Hillary Clinton? Let's hope so! :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 05, 2017, 08:11:26 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 30, 2017, 01:48:04 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 01:37:33 PM
Oh I don't disagree that is going to happen.

He's going to get "primaried" out. The Republican establishment
will change the rules so he can't win the nomination with 35% of the
vote in 2020.

Wishful thinking. It only works if he loses his base a-la LBJ, which is entirely possible, but it's a different reason. And even if he does, Trump's base won't take kindly to the Establishment GOP pulling that sort of crap.

Quote from: shakespear on July 30, 2017, 01:37:33 PM
My bold prediction is that Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio will be the 46th President of the United States.

I think it would be Mike Pence...and it may be sooner than you think.

I think people who think (not you, hopefully) they can subvert the Will of the People should keep their treasonous opinions to themselves. I'm referring to the Maxine Watters' and Nancy Pelosi's of the World. I've personally had enough of this Russia, Russia, Russia hysteria.

I'm pretty sure it's the first time in the history of our country a special prosecutor was hired to look for a crime to prosecute when in fact there was none.

In regards to the "deep state" globalist feckwads and their prog marxist friends they better be careful what they wish for.

quote:
"After observing that all patriots, regardless of position, have a duty to protect the Constitution, Sawyer minced no words detailing what he believes would happen to those involved in Trump’s removal and he explained why:

Anti-American subversives involved in ANY WAY in an unconstitutional coup against our President will be run down and executed immediately by the world’s most supreme warriors. There will be nowhere to run to, nowhere to hide, no mercy, no sense of humor. Harsh examples will be made. My prediction is it will be a gruesome massacre. Why? Because one side in this conflict has 8 Trillion bullets & the other side doesn’t know which bathroom to use."
end quote.

http://conservativefiringline.com/former-navy-seal-craig-sawman-sawyer-warns-gruesome-massacre-trump-removed-office/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 05, 2017, 08:30:03 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGgReLGUAAArviB.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 06, 2017, 10:07:10 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 04, 2017, 09:08:11 AM

It has been noted that Mueller has 'convened' a grand jury.

While some on the Trump side see this as an attempt to impeach the President. I suspect it is the start to the end of this 'news' story. If there was something of importance or significance we ALL would have known about it yesterday via the press.

Once this issue is buried Trump if he is so inclined can go on the attack to his enemies.

The below link sort of clarifies my thinking concerning Trump, Russia and the Grand Jury.

http://theduran.com/russiagate-inquiry-going-nowhere-investigators-private-insurance/

Unless there is a smoking gun that Mueller has kept hidden this is going fad away.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 06, 2017, 10:34:35 AM

Despite the chaos the Trump administration has been quietly getting many things done. Once the Russia hoax is over hopefully his administration can fulfill some promises.

The most prominent move was Trump’s June 1 announcement that the U.S. will withdraw from the Paris climate accord. But the EPA is moving on other fronts as well. It’s working to dismantle Barack Obama’s Clean Power Plan, a signature policy aimed at reducing greenhouse-gas emissions. In June, following a February executive order from Trump, the EPA began the process of rescinding the 2015 Waters of the United States rule, which aimed at protecting smaller bodies of water and streams in the same way that larger ones had been. In December, in the closing weeks of his administration, Obama banned drilling in the Arctic and parts of the Atlantic Ocean; the Trump administration promptly set about undoing that ban. (How interested oil companies will be remains to be seen.)

The New York Times found in June that Pruitt’s EPA “has moved to undo, delay or otherwise block more than 30 environmental rules, a regulatory rollback larger in scope than any other over so short a time in the agency’s 47-year history.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/what-trump-is-actually-accomplishing/535458/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 07, 2017, 03:40:26 PM

There has been absolutely no proof of collusion, yet these loud mouth liberals keep on with the same old crap.
As problematic as leaks have been should anyone get caught, they should be prosecuted to the highest extent.

Trump Slams Sen. Blumenthal: 'Phony Vietnam Con Artist

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/806207?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1746269_08072017&s=al&dkt_nbr=0101353c44wq&section=Headline&keywords=donald-trump-slams-richard-blumenthal-phony&year=2017&month=08&date=07&id=806207&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 08, 2017, 04:33:52 PM

Will Trump give orders to take out North Korea?

Trump threatens North Korea after US assesses they have miniaturized a nuclear warhead

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/08/politics/north-korea-missile-ready-nuclear-weapons/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 08, 2017, 07:39:11 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 08, 2017, 04:33:52 PM

Trump threatens North Korea after US assesses they have miniaturized a nuclear warhead

Yes but they have maximized a despot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 08, 2017, 08:06:51 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 08, 2017, 04:33:52 PM

Will Trump give orders to take out North Korea?

Trump threatens North Korea after US assesses they have miniaturized a nuclear warhead

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/08/politics/north-korea-missile-ready-nuclear-weapons/index.html

I'm worried, as are many others, that this may not end well. I don't believe it's wise to threaten a crazy man with nuclear weapons.

And sometimes it's difficult to tell which one of the two is crazier. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 08, 2017, 08:34:18 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 08, 2017, 08:06:51 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 08, 2017, 04:33:52 PM
Will Trump give orders to take out North Korea?

Trump threatens North Korea after US assesses they have miniaturized a nuclear warhead

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/08/politics/north-korea-missile-ready-nuclear-weapons/index.html

I'm worried, as are many others, that this may not end well. I don't believe it's wise to threaten a crazy man with nuclear weapons.

And sometimes it's difficult to tell which one of the two is crazier. :coffeeread:

NKorea Says Seriously Considering Plan to Strike Guam

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/806585/75

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 08, 2017, 09:08:39 PM

What a fool former president Bill Clinton was.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 09, 2017, 03:08:32 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 08, 2017, 08:34:18 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 08, 2017, 08:06:51 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on August 08, 2017, 04:33:52 PM
Will Trump give orders to take out North Korea?

Trump threatens North Korea after US assesses they have miniaturized a nuclear warhead

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/08/politics/north-korea-missile-ready-nuclear-weapons/index.html

I'm worried, as are many others, that this may not end well. I don't believe it's wise to threaten a crazy man with nuclear weapons.

And sometimes it's difficult to tell which one of the two is crazier. :coffeeread:

NKorea Says Seriously Considering Plan to Strike Guam

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/806585/75

And Mattis says we will return NK to the stone age. He does not issue idle threats. He goes for the jugular.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/19544/no-bluff-mad-dog-mattis-says-north-korea-must-back-ben-shapiro (http://www.dailywire.com/news/19544/no-bluff-mad-dog-mattis-says-north-korea-must-back-ben-shapiro)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 10, 2017, 11:49:00 AM

This won't get much coverage from the liberal media.

Watchdog files complaint alleging DNC worked with Ukraine

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/345892-watchdog-files-fec-complaint-of-dnc-work-with-ukraine

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 10, 2017, 06:53:44 PM

After the election Trump was willing to put aside the investigation into Hillary's emails and questionable actions. Given the sore loser actions of the liberal democrats Clinton might end up being the one that will be found guilty of various criminal activities.

Judge orders new searches for Clinton Benghazi emails

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/08/09/judge-orders-searches-for-clinton-benghazi-emails-241470

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 12, 2017, 02:00:57 PM

I fear President Trump is suffering from the Bernoullis effect.

I keep on wondering what this is?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 12, 2017, 02:04:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 10, 2017, 06:53:44 PM

Judge orders new searches for Clinton Benghazi emails

Rumor is Killary has been offered a plea deal. We will see if it turns out to be true.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 12, 2017, 07:00:07 PM

Love him or hate him Trump is doing his job.

He is building the wall, deporting illegals, and signing off on bills to provide better support and care for those who defend our nation.

Recently he just declared a state of emergency on a scourge that plagues our nation. And no, it's not gun related deaths as most clueless foreigners like to believe. It is far worse and the deaths and harm it causes make gun related deaths look insignificant. Opiates.

Whether a trucker from Missouri, a laid off steel worker from Ohio, or a trust fund kid from NYC it is a disease that has no barriers. Unless you are living in the closet every single American knows someone or has been affected by this in some way.

He is doing what the people who voted him in care for most.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on August 13, 2017, 03:25:50 AM

So much so we’re all routing for North Korea over here. And we know where it is on a map.

The guy is an senile old tube..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 13, 2017, 07:40:19 AM

I very much doubt that Trump is senile but there's plenty of good reasons to hope that the US doesn't decide to 'support democracy’ in North Korea. Neither the Chinese or Russians will put up with the US setting up shop there.

I see this as being the US attempt to do to China what they almost succeeded in doing to Russia in Ukraine. Lessons have been learnt and Russian errors will not be repeated.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 13, 2017, 08:53:48 AM

China has already told him they will militarily support NK if the US decides to invade and do a regime change malarkey, so he is impotent now. :chuckle:

Quote

China’s state-run Global Times said: "If the US and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so."

The newspaper added: "It needs to make clear its stance to all sides and make them understand that when their actions jeopardise China's interests, China will respond with a firm hand.

"China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles that threaten US soil first and the US retaliates, China will stay neutral.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 13, 2017, 09:41:16 AM

I do not think that the Trump regime really wants war with North Korea but they are engaged in a dance.

Lets make a very short analysis of what the DPRK desired outcomes are and those for the USA. This is a forum post and not an analysis document and so is brief and generalized.

DPRK wants the US to return to the treaties negotiated between North Korea and the US but abrogated by the US. Those treaties enabled North Korea and the US to communicate, they gave some guarantees for the security of the DPRK and enabled the DPRK to engage in trade with the rest of the world. The US would provide assistance in building two nuclear power plants in North Korea. In return the DPRK would not start developing a nuclear weapons program and given the US built power plants would not have the means to do so.

US wants to have the ability to point weapons at China, wants to maintain a strong military presence in South Korea that threatens China and very much wants to maintain a destabilising influence in this part of Asia.

When one looks at these 'needs' and prefered outcomes the US and North Korea are actually on the same page of the hymn book! Quite literally the only thing that needs to happen is that the US carries out its treaty obligations toward North Korea. Spooklily, that's exactly what the DPRK has been asking for for many years.

On the side, neither China or Russia want the DPRK to have nuclear weapons but neither has the power to stop them from having them - nor does the USA. Those weapons will only go away when North Korea feels that it is safe for them to go away. DPRK is NOT the puppet of the Chinese. The Juche concept makes sure of it. However, North Korea understands and recognises the position of China in the North Korean economy and culture.

EVERYTHING that is happening now, from all stakeholders, is designed to enable just one thing: direct negotiations between the DPRK and USA and, ultimately, that the US recognises and carries out its treaty obligations toward the DPRK. For China and Russia that outcome is not ideal because it leaves the US with weapons in South Korea pointed toward both Russia and China but it is MUCH better than having the US bouncing around trying to impose yet more 'democracy' on the Chinese and Russian borders.

I think that Trump is well aware of the dance and the steps but is dancing with the weight of congress on his back. No matter how good a dancer he is, his feet will fall heavily. I think that his counterparts in Pyongyang, Beijing and Moscow are aware of the handicaps faced by the Leader Of The Free World and their rhetoric and actions are designed to compensate for Trump's limited dancing ability.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 13, 2017, 09:56:13 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 13, 2017, 09:41:16 AM

I do not think that the Trump regime really wants war with North Korea but they are engaged in a dance.

Lets make a very short analysis of what the DPRK desired outcomes are and those for the USA. This is a forum post and not an analysis document and so is brief and generalized.

DPRK wants the US to return to the treaties negotiated between North Korea and the US but abrogated by the US. Those treaties enabled North Korea and the US to communicate, they gave some guarantees for the security of the DPRK and enabled the DPRK to engage in trade with the rest of the world. The US would provide assistance in building two nuclear power plants in North Korea. In return the DPRK would not start developing a nuclear weapons program and given the US built power plants would not have the means to do so.

US wants to have the ability to point weapons at China, wants to maintain a strong military presence in South Korea that threatens China and very much wants to maintain a destabilising influence in this part of Asia.

When one looks at these 'needs' and prefered outcomes the US and North Korea are actually on the same page of the hymn book! Quite literally the only thing that needs to happen is that the US carries out its treaty obligations toward North Korea. Spooklily, that's exactly what the DPRK has been asking for for many years.

On the side, neither China or Russia want the DPRK to have nuclear weapons but neither has the power to stop them from having them - nor does the USA. Those weapons will only go away when North Korea feels that it is safe for them to go away. DPRK is NOT the puppet of the Chinese. The Juche concept makes sure of it. However, North Korea understands and recognises the position of China in the North Korean economy and culture.

EVERYTHING that is happening now, from all stakeholders, is designed to enable just one thing: direct negotiations between the DPRK and USA and, ultimately, that the US recognises and carries out its treaty obligations toward the DPRK. For China and Russia that outcome is not ideal because it leaves the US with weapons in South Korea pointed toward both Russia and China but it is MUCH better than having the US bouncing around trying to impose yet more 'democracy' on the Chinese and Russian borders.

I think that Trump is well aware of the dance and the steps but is dancing with the weight of congress on his back. No matter how good a dancer he is, his feet will fall heavily. I think that his counterparts in Pyongyang, Beijing and Moscow are aware of the handicaps faced by the Leader Of The Free World and their rhetoric and actions are designed to compensate for Trump's limited dancing ability.

My opinion Andrew is correct on many points. With out doubt going back to the initial conflict The United States has reneged on its treaty obligations. What I fear is The President does not know how to dance (or is pretending he does not know how to dance). Either of my viewpoints points to an epic disaster.

It should be noted any form of government for the people of North Korea would be better than what they presently have.

For Planet Earth, I hope the scenario that Andrew describes is correct.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 13, 2017, 10:10:33 AM

Don't forget that the travails of North Korea are, in large part, the responsibility and choice of the United States. It is the United States that has forced the unnatural and costly diversion of resources into the military. It is the United STates that causes food shortages by staging, at planting and harvest time, large scale military exercises that pull men from the fields and into martial activity.

These are choices made the United States specifically to cause harm to the people of North Korea.

The issue is not the form of government, that form is almost certainly a recognition of the needs of the country and people.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 13, 2017, 10:45:45 AM

All the foreign armchair warriors must have never read our current Dept of Defense thoughts on engagement.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 13, 2017, 10:51:05 AM

Quote from: rw_recruiter on August 13, 2017, 10:45:45 AM

All the foreign armchair warriors must have never read our current Dept of Defense thoughts on engagement.

Enlighten us all. Even those of us who are not armchair warriors.

And don't forget to include politics as the DoD is a hugely political body which means that what is published in working papers and white papers or even official policy documents is often not representative of real intent, or what actually happens.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 13, 2017, 11:20:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 13, 2017, 10:51:05 AM

Quote from: rw_recruiter on August 13, 2017, 10:45:45 AM
All the foreign armchair warriors must have never read our current Dept of Defense thoughts on engagement.

Enlighten us all. Even those of us who are not armchair warriors.

And don't forget to include politics as the DoD is a hugely political body which means that what is published in working papers and white papers or even official policy documents is often not representative of real intent, or what actually happens.

I know men that fought under the command of the the current leader of the DoD in Fallujah. They surrounded the city and massacred the the enemy. Collateral damage is a part of war to this man. The guy is a cold stone killer who enjoys battle.

A few quotes from the men advising Trump on whether to go to war -

"That said, there are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot."

"It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right up there with you. I like brawling"

""Find the enemy that wants to end this experiment and kill every one of them until they're so sick of the killing that they leave us and our freedoms intact."

You can read journalists and online "experts" argue all day on what will be done, but Kim falls into the asshole category. They are ready for war.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 13, 2017, 04:14:02 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 13, 2017, 07:40:19 AM

I very much doubt that Trump is senile but there's plenty of good reasons to hope that the US doesn't decide to 'support democracy’ in North Korea. Neither the Chinese or Russians will put up with the US setting up shop there.

I see this as being the US attempt to do to China what they almost succeeded in doing to Russia in Ukraine. Lessons have been learnt and Russian errors will not be repeated.

Actually, this is a wake up shout for the Chinese. Get a lid on your boy and we
will be happy for another 50 years, or not it's up to you. Nobody gives a rat's
ass about North Korea and it would be easy for China to keep it that way.

Ukraine never threatened the USA with nuclear war and if they did the Kremlin
would have told them to shut the hell up and they would have shut the hell up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 13, 2017, 05:13:48 PM

If you think that Korea is controlled by China then you simply do not know enough to even tell us where Korea is. Read about Juche and get back to us.

Having a psychopath in a senior position in the army does not mean that the United States will act so foolishly. That's why I referred to politics in my reply. You can have your hardon wet wank fantasies about turning places into glass but the real world is not quite like that. Oh, and while you are checking out your latest wank fodder, have a look at a relief map of North Korea, it will teach you some stuff. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 13, 2017, 05:38:08 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 13, 2017, 05:13:48 PM

If you think that Korea is controlled by China then you simply do not know enough to even tell us where Korea is. Read about Juche and get back to us.

Having a psychopath in a senior position in the army does not mean that the United States will act so foolishly. That's why I referred to politics in my reply. You can have your hardon wet wank fantasies about turning places into glass but the real world is not quite like that. Oh, and while you are checking out your latest wank fodder, have a look at a relief map of North Korea, it will teach you some stuff. :)

The best we can hope for is 50 more years of a tense peace. If there is a confrontation it has little to do with Trump. Bill Clinton gave the regime Billions which allowed them to finance their nuclear program.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on August 13, 2017, 05:45:55 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 13, 2017, 05:13:48 PM

If you think that Korea is controlled by China then you simply do not know enough to even tell us where Korea is. Read about Juche and get back to us.

Having a psychopath in a senior position in the army does not mean that the United States will act so foolishly. That's why I referred to politics in my reply. You can have your hardon wet wank fantasies about turning places into glass but the real world is not quite like that. Oh, and while you are checking out your latest wank fodder, have a look at a relief map of North Korea, it will teach you some stuff. :)

North Korea is far more controlled by China than Ukraine was ever controlled by the US. Over 90 per cent of its export is to China and it could not develop these weapons with out this trade. Most of the rest of north Korea trade is weapons to terrorist groups. One ship from north Korea had 30,000 rocket propelled grenades under iron ore when it was searched in the red sea. Try to guess where they were going?

In spite of the tuff talk it does not look like Trump is really planning anything. No troops or ship movement that would indicate a coming war.

The article is China telling north Korea that it is on its own if it carries out its threat to send missiles near US territory. China is saying no and most likely North Korea will abide.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/beijing-warns-pyongyang-you%e2%80%99re-on-your-own-if-you-go-after-the-united-states/ar-AApRvFv?ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 13, 2017, 06:42:43 PM

In the end North Korea will have to follow the 'suggestions' of China. At least I hope.

A political thinking (manifesto) leading a country has in the past has been a failure. And nothing North Korea has done indicates another reality.

This is what Andrew is speaking of > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche <

Bear in mind the Korean's have for epochs fought against China and Japan for control of the region. Russia is little more than an observer.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 13, 2017, 08:15:08 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 13, 2017, 05:13:48 PM

If you think that Korea is controlled by China then you simply do not know enough to even tell us where Korea is. Read about Juche and get back to us.

Having a psychopath in a senior position in the army does not mean that the United States will act so foolishly. That's why I referred to politics in my reply. You can have your hardon wet wank fantasies about turning places into glass but the real world is not quite like that. Oh, and while you are checking out your latest wank fodder, have a look at a relief map of North Korea, it will teach you some stuff. :)

I'm not sure who you are referring to. My brother spent two tours there in the army,
I've never been there I have read a few books and a few novels about North Korea
but that's a far step from knowing it.

Here is a regular map
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u149/2tallbill/North%20Korea_zpslhlhli25.jpg?t=1502587906)

Here shows the rugged hills between North Korea and China
(http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/56fbfea091058424008b998f-1200/china-russia-and-the-us-divided-korea-after-world-war-ii.jpg)

This the night time energy map showing that you don't get
much thriving business if you actually take over North Korea.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTeqrwK3u9xnjKcFun74a57PCmX56Q8fTRSmbsVfZR-HSl--37V)

(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/56fbff2d52bcd023008b9a95-1200/north-korea-became-a-puppet-of-the-china-russia-alliance.jpg)

This map shows how Mac Arthur invaded. As you can see that doesn't help
much for an invasion of what is now North Korea.
(http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/koreamap.jpg)

Shows the Chinese offensive
(http://www.emersonkent.com/images/korean_war_dec_1950.jpg)

Some of the Charming North Korean countryside
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Chinese_POWs_south_of_Koto-ri_in_Korea_HM-SN-98-06779.JPEG)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 13, 2017, 08:33:27 PM

He was probably replying to my thread on our leaders willingness to go in. Not sure how geography factors in with our current technology. Tell us Andrew, what role does geography play in this with our B1 bombers?

As far as glass fantasies we may not even need to use nukes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on August 14, 2017, 01:41:31 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 13, 2017, 05:13:48 PM

If you think that Korea is controlled by China then you simply do not know enough to even tell us where Korea is. Read about Juche...

Nope, Never read Mein Kampf -for example and the 'lack of knowledge' has never upset my balance... I doubt you have read much of it - just deflecting from your usual - laughable - pot-stirring viewpoints..

As Tex points out - the key to a compromise solution is China

'Wank fodder' .... You 'think' of terms that normally suggest some sort of expertise ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on August 14, 2017, 02:07:32 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 13, 2017, 07:40:19 AM

I very much doubt that Trump is senile but there's plenty of good reasons to hope that the US doesn't decide to 'support democracy’ in North Korea. Neither the Chinese or Russians will put up with the US setting up shop there.

I see this as being the US attempt to do to China what they almost succeeded in doing to Russia in Ukraine. Lessons have been learnt and Russian errors will not be repeated.

You don't see - you are 'blinded' by the need to peddle bollox ... about US Policy.

Ukraine chose her path - The Kremlin were THE main recruiter for Maidan with their stunts re customs checks in Aug '13...

IF some thought was given to this - one would work out that that a possible re-unification - presumably following the removal of the despot lunatic and his generals - would mean LESS US service personnel / hardware on the peninsula

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 14, 2017, 12:50:23 PM

Quote from: Manny on August 13, 2017, 08:53:48 AM

China has already told him they will militarily support NK if the US decides to invade and do a regime change malarkey, so he is impotent now. :chuckle:

China has also made it clear that if NK swings the first punch, they will not do anything if the USA retaliates in kind.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 14, 2017, 12:53:37 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 13, 2017, 10:10:33 AM

Don't forget that the travails of North Korea are, in large part, the responsibility and choice of the United States. It is the United States that has forced the unnatural and costly diversion of resources into the military. It is the United STates that causes food shortages by staging, at planting and harvest time, large scale military exercises that pull men from the fields and into martial activity.

These are choices made the United States specifically to cause harm to the people of North Korea.

The issue is not the form of government, that form is almost certainly a recognition of the needs of the country and people.

:ROFL:

This is quite probably the most ridiculous pile of crap you've tried to pass off as knowledge on this forum.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 14, 2017, 01:28:01 PM

So, specifically, you can assure us that the treaty signed by Bill Clinton and the president of the DPRK is STILL in force and has not been repudiated by the US?
You can categorically assure us that the large scale exercises run by the US have never come at the same time as either planting or harvest?

Water is washing around your ankles yet again!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 14, 2017, 01:30:10 PM

Quote from: rw_recruiter on August 13, 2017, 08:33:27 PM

He was probably replying to my thread on our leaders willingness to go in. Not sure how geography factors in with our current technology. Tell us Andrew, what role does geography play in this with our B1 bombers?

As far as glass fantasies we may not even need to use nukes.

B1 bombers (bombers and bombs in general do not) dont work so good in terrain where there are high mountains and steep sided valleys. However, I defer to your extensive contact with US military high command with regard to the specific weapons that might be used. I am sure they will be on the phone to you for your advice very soon.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 14, 2017, 02:04:09 PM

North Korea’s Missile Success Is Linked to Ukrainian Plant, Investigators Say

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/14/world/asia/north-korea-missiles-ukraine-factory.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 14, 2017, 02:06:01 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 14, 2017, 01:28:01 PM

So, specifically, you can assure us that the treaty signed by Bill Clinton and the president of the DPRK is STILL in force and has not been repudiated by the US?
You can categorically assure us that the large scale exercises run by the US have never come at the same time as either planting or harvest?

Water is washing around your ankles yet again!

NK broke that treaty after we gave them the money and they did not abandon their nuclear development program. The leadership of NK is directly responsible for the starvation of their own people just like the Russians were responsible for the Holodomor in 1933. The USA has no imperial interest in NK so long as they do not possess weaponry that can threaten our territory or people. As a country we're more than content to patiently wait for the people of NK to finally overthrow the lunatics in power and eventually reunite with SK into one unified nation.

Remember FiFi - I was in the 1st Marine Division in the late 1970's and early 1980's. I actually served with men who fought in the Korean War and during that conflict, staged one of the most successful fighting retreats in military history (retreating with all their equipment, dead and wounded) over the most inhospitable terrain and weather imaginable and in the process mauled 6 Chinese Communist divisions so badly they had to be removed from the Order Of Battle.

That's where Chesty Puller became a legend. When asked by the press what was happening at the Chosin Reservoir, he said " "We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things. We can now fire in any direction and hit him."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 14, 2017, 04:24:14 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 14, 2017, 01:30:10 PM

Quote from: rw_recruiter on August 13, 2017, 08:33:27 PM
He was probably replying to my thread on our leaders willingness to go in. Not sure how geography factors in with our current technology. Tell us Andrew, what role does geography play in this with our B1 bombers?

As far as glass fantasies we may not even need to use nukes.

B1 bombers (bombers and bombs in general do not) dont work so good in terrain where there are high mountains and steep sided valleys. However, I defer to your extensive contact with US military high command with regard to the specific weapons that might be used. I am sure they will be on the phone to you for your advice very soon.

I relayed your message to those in command. They send regards to the Duke of Bull Frogging.

The men I know were grunts btw. Shit kickers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 14, 2017, 04:53:22 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 14, 2017, 02:06:01 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 14, 2017, 01:28:01 PM
So, specifically, you can assure us that the treaty signed by Bill Clinton and the president of the DPRK is STILL in force and has not been repudiated by the US?
You can categorically assure us that the large scale exercises run by the US have never come at the same time as either planting or harvest?

Water is washing around your ankles yet again!

NK broke that treaty after we gave them the money and they did not abandon their nuclear development program. The leadership of NK is directly responsible for the starvation of their own people just like the Russians were responsible for the Holodomor in 1933. The USA has no imperial interest in NK so long as they do not possess weaponry that can threaten our territory or people. As a country we're more than content to patiently wait for the people of NK to finally overthrow the lunatics in power and eventually reunite with SK into one unified nation.

Andrew, Shakes is correct. We are not speaking about opinions but simple facts. Yes The United States broke earlier treaties, but North Korea has become under the present 'leadership' just stupid.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 15, 2017, 04:41:32 PM

Two thumbs up for president Trump telling it like it is!!!
It's time to shut up the liberal media that continues the bias reporting.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 15, 2017, 05:08:41 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 15, 2017, 04:41:32 PM

Two thumbs up for president Trump telling it like it is!!!
It's time to shut up the liberal media that continues the bias reporting.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 15, 2017, 06:51:27 PM

:popcorn:

Justice Turns Up the Heat on Hillary

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/807730?section=Newsfront&keywords=hillary-clinton-justice-department-lawyer-guilty-as-sin&year=2017&month=08&date=15&id=807730&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=www.google.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on August 16, 2017, 11:29:18 PM

Just watched the movie "the enemy within"

Could this really happen?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 17, 2017, 11:01:49 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 15, 2017, 04:41:32 PM

Two thumbs up for president Trump telling it like it is!!!
It's time to shut up the liberal media that continues the bias reporting.

You thought his public bickering with the press was a good thing?

Continued un-Presidential behavior like that will guarantee that he won't win the Republican nomination in 2020.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 17, 2017, 01:28:55 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 17, 2017, 11:01:49 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 15, 2017, 04:41:32 PM
Two thumbs up for president Trump telling it like it is!!!
It's time to shut up the liberal media that continues the bias reporting.

You thought his public bickering with the press was a good thing?

Continued un-Presidential behavior like that will guarantee that he won't win the Republican nomination in 2020.

You wanna bet? :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 17, 2017, 01:59:00 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 17, 2017, 11:01:49 AM

You thought his public bickering with the press was a good thing?

Yes, you act as if the press weren't actively trying to hurt him with every question
and every report. He needs to stand up to them and put argue the conservative
point. It's losers like Bush, Dole, McCain, Romney that act presidential. The
Democrats fight to the death for everything, it's about time the GOP had a
fighter in the White House.

Quote from: shakespear on August 17, 2017, 11:01:49 AM

Continued un-Presidential behavior like that will guarantee that he won't win the Republican nomination in 2020.

Wrong again, you want to keep running the same play that doesn't work.
Jeb acted completely presidential, maybe you can get him to run in the
2020 GOP primary? Maybe he can get up to 10% of the vote this time?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 17, 2017, 02:08:14 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2017, 01:28:55 PM

You wanna bet? :ROFL:

I'm sure Shakey is willing to put a wager on his convictions, but it wouldn't
make him right or wrong. There were enough Republicans willing to put
$100 million dollars into Jeb's campaign but they couldn't get anybody
to vote for him.

I think after the 2020 election that Shakey will start seeing the value in fighting
with an adversarial press to make sure that your points get made. I was so sick
of George W, not responding and not putting his political capital on the line. W
predicted the housing and economic crash before it happened! What did he do
about it? Aside from a couple of speeches? Nothing. He took the entire GOP
down with him, and the entire GOP was blamed for the crash.

Trump could surely get better and do better but he is who we have.

Title: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on August 17, 2017, 02:11:27 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 14, 2017, 04:53:22 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 14, 2017, 02:06:01 PM
Quote from: andrewfi on August 14, 2017, 01:28:01 PM
So, specifically, you can assure us that the treaty signed by Bill Clinton and the president of the DPRK is STILL in force and has not been repudiated by the US?
You can categorically assure us that the large scale exercises run by the US have never come at the same time as either planting or harvest?

Water is washing around your ankles yet again!

NK broke that treaty after we gave them the money and they did not abandon their nuclear development program. The leadership of NK is directly responsible for the starvation of their own people just like the Russians were responsible for the Holodomor in 1933. The USA has no imperial interest in NK so long as they do not possess weaponry that can threaten our territory or people. As a country we're more than content to patiently wait for the people of NK to finally overthrow the lunatics in power and eventually reunite with SK into one unified nation.

Andrew, Shakes is correct. We are not speaking about opinions but simple facts. Yes The United States broke earlier treaties, but North Korea has become under the present 'leadership' just stupid.

This isn't new. But you know that his father put in a round of 31 on 18 holes of golf right? ????

Four question marks is apparently the laughing face emoticon. ????How come it seems everyone else can use the emoticons that are available on my iPhone keyboard?)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 17, 2017, 03:11:09 PM

Shakespeare, don't let the liberal media, and the old rhinos fool you.
Trump and company are extremely popular and record donations are pouring into the republican party.
Do you think without Trump the republican party would have this much support?

Byron York: Why are Republicans trouncing Democrats in fundraising?

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-why-are-republicans-trouncing-democrats-in-fundraising/article/2629435

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 17, 2017, 04:54:05 PM

Just let Trump do his job!

Trump's new ad.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 17, 2017, 08:43:12 PM

Interesting article, according to what is written There is nothing that has been verified implicating Paul Manafort.

(Quote)
Derkach also claimed that the campaign against candidate Trump included Ukrainian officials’ announcement last year of reported payments of more than $12 million by Ukraine’s previous leader, Viktor Yanukovych, to Paul Manafort, who was one of Trump’s campaign managers during the election.Manafort previously worked for Yanukovych’s Party of Regions until the Ukrainian leader was overthrown in a violent revolution in 2014. After Yanukovych fled the country, officials discovered extensive lists of alleged off-the-books payments — so-called black ledgers — by Yanukovych’s political party to various political actors in Ukraine.Subsequent documents publicized by a Ukrainian legislator, Serhiy Leshchenko, suggested that Manafort concealed some of the money he received by transferring the payments through offshore accounts.Manafort’s actual signature does not appear anywhere in the ledgers, however, and he denies receiving any illegal disbursements. None of the disclosed documents have been verified for their validity

Ukrainian MP seeks probe of Ukraine-Clinton ties

http://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-mp-derkach-seeks-probe-of-ukraine-hillary-clinton-ties/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rw_recruiter on August 17, 2017, 09:39:55 PM

And the cards begin to fall.....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/17/wasserman-schultz-ex-it-aide-indicted-on-4-counts.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/17/wasserman-schultz-ex-it-aide-indicted-on-4-counts.html)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 18, 2017, 09:32:58 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2017, 01:28:55 PM

You wanna bet? :ROFL:

Sure.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 18, 2017, 09:41:35 AM

Quote from: Popka! on August 17, 2017, 01:59:00 PM

Yes, you act as if the press weren't actively trying to hurt him with every question
and every report. He needs to stand up to them and put argue the conservative
point. It's losers like Bush, Dole, McCain, Romney that act presidential. The
Democrats fight to the death for everything, it's about time the GOP had a
fighter in the White House.

I don't think the President should be publicly arguing with anyone. That's what
his staff is for. He needs to remain above such childish frays. He needs to stay
on message. He needs to act more Presidential.

Quote from: Popka! on August 17, 2017, 01:59:00 PM

Wrong again, you want to keep running the same play that doesn't work.
Jeb acted completely presidential, maybe you can get him to run in the
2020 GOP primary? Maybe he can get up to 10% of the vote this time?

The ONLY reason Trump won the primaries was because of state laws that
allowed a candidate that got between 25-30% of the vote to take all the delegates.
I can guarantee you those rules will be changed before the 2020 Republican
primary battle begins. Do you REALLY think that no Republican is going to
challenge Trump for the position? I can virtually guarantee that will happen.
Trump will probably run as an independent if challenged which means the
Republicans will have a harder job maintaining control of the legislative process.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 18, 2017, 10:20:10 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2017, 09:41:35 AM

I don't think the President should be publicly arguing with anyone. That's what
his staff is for. He needs to remain above such childish frays. He needs to stay
on message. He needs to act more Presidential.

That's where you are dead wrong. Yes, his surrogates can do more of it but
the press doesn't have to report on his surrogates remarks do they?
That is why George W Bush took the entire GOP down. He acted presidential
and gave the Democrats majorities in both houses and a veto proof majority
in the Senate. Your thinking process if for losers with permanent minorities
for time ever lasting.

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2017, 09:41:35 AM

The ONLY reason Trump won the primaries was because of state laws that
allowed a candidate that got between 25-30% of the vote to take all the delegates.
I can guarantee you those rules will be changed before the 2020 Republican
primary battle begins.

They let the candidate with the most votes win. Nobody wants a brokered convention
with guys in back rooms picking the candidate. That's how you get a loser like Gerald
Ford

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2017, 09:41:35 AM

Do you REALLY think that no Republican is going to
challenge Trump for the position? I can virtually guarantee that will happen.
Trump will probably run as an independent if challenged which means the
Republicans will have a harder job maintaining control of the legislative process.

Sure you will get somebody, but not a top tier guy. John Kasich, a Wendy Graham
or some other sure loser. The GOP electorate is tired of the losers that you and the
establishment want as candidates. The GOP needs to put up combative candidates
from this day forward. Maybe the next candidate can be a natural debater like Cruz
but the establishment doesn't like conservatives any better than they like Trump.

Why doesn't the establishment get Mittens Romney to run again? He could call
himself the severe conservative, he would run with Jeb. They could act presidential
and spend a couple hundred million dollars and their key platform could be starting
wars, unlimited immigration and trade deals with North Korea. Maybe they could
do a 1/2% across the board tax cut that sunsets in six months? Maybe they could
convert the Navy to solar? and only double the debt? That could be a campaign
slogan. We will only double the debt.

My favorite candidate was Ted Cruz, followed by Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson,
Scott Walker, Chris Christie, Donald Trump, Rick Perry, Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee,
Bobby Jindal.

I would have voted third party if Jeb, Lindsey or Pataki were nominated. I would have
been torn whether to vote for Kasich or a third party if he won, but after he was
numerically eliminated from the race, he kept running and he is in the Jeb group
now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 18, 2017, 11:02:33 AM

Quote from: rw_recruiter on August 17, 2017, 09:39:55 PM

And the cards begin to fall.....

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/17/wasserman-schultz-ex-it-aide-indicted-on-4-counts.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/17/wasserman-schultz-ex-it-aide-indicted-on-4-counts.html)

Had to chuckle at this quote from the article. :chuckle:

(Quote)
In a recent interview published in the Sun Sentinel, Wasserman Schultz blamed the “right-wing media circus fringe” for the attention on Awan.The former head of the Democratic National Committee suggested it's all part of an effort to distract from the investigation of Russian meddling in the 2016 campaign and possible ties to President Trump's team. “Any opportunity they can to pull people’s eyes and ears away from that they take,” Wasserman Schultz told the newspaper

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 18, 2017, 11:45:16 AM

Stephen Bannon Out at the White House After Turbulent Run

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/us/politics/steve-bannon-trump-white-house.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 18, 2017, 12:10:30 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 18, 2017, 11:45:16 AM

Stephen Bannon Out at the White House After Turbulent Run

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/us/politics/steve-bannon-trump-white-house.html

Shakey will do more more clapping than a 60 year old $2 dollar Hanoi Hooker,
but I think it was a mistake to fire him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 18, 2017, 12:15:58 PM

How much clapping does a 60 year old $2 Hanoi Hooker do?
Enquiring minds want to know!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 18, 2017, 12:28:33 PM

We're past the tipping point now . . . . . . .

Trumps' ONLY chance, I MEAN ONLY chance of re-election is if he focuses 100%
on the economy; institutes plans that will get the economy growing at 3-5%,
becomes laser-point focused on his agenda of lowering taxes, building the wall,
improving infrastructure, immigration reform, etc. and IGNORE the sniping from
the media as you would a small dog nipping at your heels.

If he doesn't (and I don't think he has the political or ego maturity to do this) he might
as well admit that his is a failed Presidency, RESIGN right now and let Pence take
over and actually get some portion of Trumps election platform accomplished before
the 2018 election cycle starts.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 18, 2017, 12:29:19 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 18, 2017, 12:15:58 PM

How much clapping does a 60 year old $2 Hanoi Hooker do?
Enquiring minds want to know!

Here is a video of her in her younger years.

She's a little more ragged these days but still would love you a long time

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/a5/67/ea/a567ea3daac1ef9497da5bfb2c762ab1--beautiful-people-asian-ladies.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 18, 2017, 12:30:21 PM

Quote from: Popka! on August 18, 2017, 12:10:30 PM

Shakey will do more more clapping than a 60 year old $2 dollar Hanoi Hooker,
but I think it was a mistake to fire him.

I'm guessing the new Chief Of Staff had more to do with the dismissal than Trump did.

Smart move. It had to be done. Let him go write is book now . . . . . . . . .

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 18, 2017, 12:36:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2017, 12:28:33 PM

We're past the tipping point now . . . . . . .

Trumps' ONLY chance, I MEAN ONLY chance of re-election is if he focuses 100%
on the economy; institutes plans that will get the economy growing at 3-5%,
becomes laser-point focused on his agenda of lowing taxes, building the wall,
improving infrastructure, immigration reform, etc. and IGNORE the sniping from
the media as you would a small dog nipping at your heels.

If he doesn't (and I don't think he has the political or ego maturity to do this) he might
as well admit that his is a failed Presidency, RESIGN right now and let Pence take
over and actually get some portion of Trumps election platform accomplished before
the 2018 election cycle starts.

Do you really think that Mitch McConnell could get ANYTHING PASSED or even cares
to pass anything while Trump is president?

Trump won't do this but I would. I would veto the next debt ceiling increase and then
insist that they pass his agenda and announce that he Just balanced the budget!
without GOP or Democrats helping him.

He could get a few GOP Senators like Cruz, Lee and Paul to claim the budget was balanced
and that now they could deal with tax cuts.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 18, 2017, 12:56:54 PM

Quote from: Popka! on August 18, 2017, 12:10:30 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 18, 2017, 11:45:16 AM
Stephen Bannon Out at the White House After Turbulent Run

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/us/politics/steve-bannon-trump-white-house.html

Shakey will do more more clapping than a 60 year old $2 dollar Hanoi Hooker,
but I think it was a mistake to fire him.

I agree.

But don't criticize Shakespeare's choice of broads.

After all he posted a photo of Kellyanne Conway and was gushing about her. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 18, 2017, 12:59:58 PM

Quote from: Popka! on August 18, 2017, 12:36:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2017, 12:28:33 PM
We're past the tipping point now . . . . . . .

Trumps' ONLY chance, I MEAN ONLY chance of re-election is if he focuses 100%
on the economy; institutes plans that will get the economy growing at 3-5%,
becomes laser-point focused on his agenda of lowing taxes, building the wall,
improving infrastructure, immigration reform, etc. and IGNORE the sniping from
the media as you would a small dog nipping at your heels.

If he doesn't (and I don't think he has the political or ego maturity to do this) he might
as well admit that his is a failed Presidency, RESIGN right now and let Pence take
over and actually get some portion of Trumps election platform accomplished before
the 2018 election cycle starts.

Do you really think that Mitch McConnell could get ANYTHING PASSED or even cares
to pass anything while Trump is president?

Trump won't do this but I would. I would veto the next debt ceiling increase and then
insist that they pass his agenda and announce that he Just balanced the budget!
without GOP or Democrats helping him.

He could get a few GOP Senators like Cruz, Lee and Paul to claim the budget was balanced
and that now they could deal with tax cuts.

Boom! Another gem. Bravo to Mr. Popka! tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 18, 2017, 01:04:14 PM

Quote from: Popka! on August 18, 2017, 10:20:10 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2017, 09:41:35 AM
I don't think the President should be publicly arguing with anyone. That's what
his staff is for. He needs to remain above such childish frays. He needs to stay
on message. He needs to act more Presidential.

That's where you are dead wrong. Yes, his surrogates can do more of it but
the press doesn't have to report on his surrogates remarks do they?
That is why George W Bush took the entire GOP down. He acted presidential
and gave the Democrats majorities in both houses and a veto proof majority
in the Senate. Your thinking process if for losers with permanent minorities
for time ever lasting.

And another one. tiphat

Shakespeare is going to need a specialist to do surgery on his rear-end if you keep this up! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 18, 2017, 01:06:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 18, 2017, 12:56:54 PM

After all he posted a photo of Kellyanne Conway and was gushing about her. :laugh:

You gotta remember I'm a 63-year old man. Heck yes I think she's damn good looking.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 18, 2017, 01:07:50 PM

Quote from: Popka! on August 18, 2017, 12:36:41 PM

Trump won't do this but I would. I would veto the next debt ceiling increase and then
insist that they pass his agenda and announce that he Just balanced the budget!
without GOP or Democrats helping him.

Sure fire way to insure he has 100% chance of re-election

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 18, 2017, 02:04:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2017, 01:07:50 PM

So we do agree from time to time. ;D

I was being facetious . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 18, 2017, 03:52:02 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 18, 2017, 11:45:16 AM

Stephen Bannon Out at the White House After Turbulent Run

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/us/politics/steve-bannon-trump-white-house.html

@HuffPost has shown their true colors and ignited a firestorm on twitter over this.

Unfriggen believable what the left feels they can get away with. :sick0012:

https://twitter.com/irmahinojosa_/status/898633032629747712

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on August 18, 2017, 05:34:10 PM

Quote

'That f***ing Steve Bannon [is] taking credit for my election,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4802496/Trump-F-ing-Steve-Bannon-taking-credit-election.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on August 18, 2017, 07:36:33 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 18, 2017, 03:52:02 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 18, 2017, 11:45:16 AM
Stephen Bannon Out at the White House After Turbulent Run

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/us/politics/steve-bannon-trump-white-house.html

@HuffPost has shown their true colors and ignited a firestorm on twitter over this.

Unfriggen believable what the left feels they can get away with. :sick0012:

https://twitter.com/irmahinojosa_/status/898633032629747712

HuffPoo showed their true colors years ago. Just like MSNBS, Crescent News Network, ect. All just George Soros mouthpieces of the Left spewing their version of "Current Truth". ~~(Subject to change without notice.)~~ ~~Redacted!!~~ Whoops.. I mean "redacted".

Have you met Ms. Bubblehead? Your average media consumer.

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Bubblehead_Media_Logos.jpg)

(http://brainshavings.com/assets_c/2010/08/Dr_Dolitle_Obama_Donothing-thumb-300x427-621.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 18, 2017, 07:56:48 PM

During the 30 weeks that Trump has been in office he has worked hard to keep his campaign promises, and the job market has improved along with the stock market hitting record highs.
Even with resistance from the liberals and constant bashing from the liberal media, Trump has accomplished quite a bit.

Then we look at congress and the Senate with republican majority, and nothing accomplished.

The minority democrats have nothing to show either.

What a waste of taxpayers money. Get paid for doing nothing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on August 18, 2017, 08:54:55 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 18, 2017, 07:56:48 PM

What a waste of taxpayers money. Get paid for doing nothing.

I wish I got paid to play golf, go on vacation 69 days a year, and do nothing at my jobs. :rolleye0009: But that is just not how it works for the rest of us.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on August 19, 2017, 12:40:10 AM

Quote

The Trump presidency that we fought for, and won, is over.

Quote

I am definitely going to crush the opposition. There's no doubt.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/08/18/steve-bannon-fired-trump-presidency-we-fought-for-and-won-over/582094001/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 19, 2017, 11:14:56 AM

Quote from: Popka! on August 18, 2017, 02:04:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 18, 2017, 01:07:50 PM
So we do agree from time to time. ;D

I was being facetious . . . . . . .

Shakespeare, did you edit my post again?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Orchid on August 19, 2017, 03:01:44 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 18, 2017, 07:56:48 PM

Get paid for doing nothing.

This is the major point for the US. It cannot last forever.

So many people are used to get paid for doing nothing.
For example, it's easier to make a fake threat like Russia and get paid good money instead of losing life in fight with a real enemy.

I cannot promise, but I am getting close to become a Trump supporter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 19, 2017, 06:09:04 PM

Quote from: Orchid on August 19, 2017, 03:01:44 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 18, 2017, 07:56:48 PM
Get paid for doing nothing.

This is the major point for the US. It cannot last forever.

So many people are used to get paid for doing nothing.
For example, it's easier to make a fake threat like Russia and get paid good money instead of losing life in fight with a real enemy.

I cannot promise, but I am getting close to become a Trump supporter.

God bless you I knew you would see the light someday!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 19, 2017, 08:17:54 PM

And the liberals criticize Trump?

HILLARY CLINTON’S LINK TO FORMER KKK LEADER ROBERT BYRD SURFACES AGAIN AFTER CHARLOTTESVILLE

http://www.newsweek.com/clinton-kkk-byrd-trump-652176

Bernie Sanders’ Jewish Problem

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/bernie-sanders-jewish-problem/2017/08/18/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 19, 2017, 08:29:46 PM

James Woods tells it like it is!

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/08/19/actor-james-woods-absolutely-crushes-chelsea-clinton-with-one-tweet-about-her-lucifer-dad/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 23, 2017, 12:43:51 PM

He should add "I can veto the debt limit increase, balance the budget and get the wall
built" and then the establishment GOP and the Dems will start sweating like whores
church, because he can.

Trump threatens government shutdown over border wall funding

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-threatens-government-shutdown-over-border-wall-funding/article/2632308

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 23, 2017, 05:24:59 PM

I just don't understand why before Trump became president the United states lived in complete harmony. There were no protest or riots in Ferguson. Black lives matter always abided by the law, never any violence or destruction of property.
Trump gets elected and he is totally to blame for Charlottesville.
He's such an Instigator! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on August 23, 2017, 05:48:05 PM

Complete harmony? Look back to 1968. Riots, burning cities, assassinations. What is happening today is nothing compared to that time period.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 23, 2017, 06:53:11 PM

Quote from: Popka! on August 23, 2017, 12:43:51 PM

He should add "I can veto the debt limit increase, balance the budget and get the wall
built" and then the establishment GOP and the Dems will start sweating like whores
church, because he can.

Trump threatens government shutdown over border wall funding

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-threatens-government-shutdown-over-border-wall-funding/article/2632308

A bogus threat or? ....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 23, 2017, 07:30:09 PM

GOP-Leaning Voters Approve of Trump More Than Congress

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/809161?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1749449_08232017&s=al&dkt_nbr=0101048fmp0j&section=Politics&keywords=republican-voters-trust-congress&year=2017&month=08&date=22&id=809161&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 23, 2017, 08:01:08 PM

I personally think that the republican house and Senate are making a huge error by not endorsing and pushing Trump's agenda.
The people that voted for Trump voted for him because they liked what he was offering.
If congress continues to piss away this opportunity to change the way they are going about getting nothing accomplished, then get rid of all of them and elect people that will make a real difference.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 23, 2017, 08:02:47 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 23, 2017, 08:01:08 PM

I personally think that the republican house and Senate are making a huge error by not endorsing and pushing Trump's agenda.
The people that voted for Trump voted for him because they liked what he was offering.
If congress continues to piss away this opportunity to change the way they are going about getting nothing accomplished, then get rid of all of them and elect people that will make a real difference.

tiphat :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 23, 2017, 08:17:51 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 23, 2017, 08:01:08 PM

I personally think that the republican house and Senate are making a huge error by not endorsing and pushing Trump's agenda.
The people that voted for Trump voted for him because they liked what he was offering.
If congress continues to piss away this opportunity to change the way they are going about getting nothing accomplished, then get rid of all of them and elect people that will make a real difference.

While I agree ~ if Trump had been a bit more ~~humble~~ political in Arizona he might have a better chance to pursue his goals.

A wise elected official would not throw gas onto a fire.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 24, 2017, 09:17:51 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 23, 2017, 08:01:08 PM

I personally think that the republican house and Senate are making a huge error by not endorsing and pushing Trump's agenda.
The people that voted for Trump voted for him because they liked what he was offering.
If congress continues to piss away this opportunity to change the way they are going about getting nothing accomplished, then get rid of all of them and elect people that will make a real difference.

The House and Senate are like lazy teenagers, sure they all say the right things
but it's just a lot of work to get out of bed and to actually go outside and mow
the yard and clean the dust bunnies out from under their beds. They need a
Dad to storm into their rooms at 7:00 am and raise the roof.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 25, 2017, 09:17:44 AM

There's just no excuse for the lack of productivity. Would have liked to listen in on the phone call between Trump and McConnell. :chuckle:

Trump taunts Hill Republicans, claims handful of Dems 'control the Senate'

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/25/trump-taunts-hill-republicans-claims-handful-dems-control-senate.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 27, 2017, 05:28:41 PM

Trump and approval ratings - what the elite media won't tell you

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/27/trump-and-approval-ratings-what-elite-media-wont-tell.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 27, 2017, 10:50:44 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 27, 2017, 05:28:41 PM

Trump and approval ratings - what the elite media won't tell you

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/27/trump-and-approval-ratings-what-elite-media-wont-tell.html

While I can not speak about the approval of the leaders of France of Japan, I can say those who I know, who primarily are in Connecticut approve of him. By a slim majority H. Clinton won the popular vote here. Yes I have friends who are Democratic supporters and they are saddened or angry but are rather quiet.

My feeling the media is pointing to an inferno when there is not even smoke present.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 28, 2017, 06:09:24 AM

More violence towards Trump supporters from the terrorist Antifa organization in Berkeley.

quote
“What hypocrites,” said Linda Fuentes Rosner, 69, a Spanish-language interpreter from Vallejo, who glared at a group in the park chanting anti-Trump slogans. “They don’t know what they’re talking about. You think it’s OK that a Trump supporter gets beat up? It’s embarrassing. The left has prevented the right from speaking. That’s not American, that despotism.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masked-anarchists-violently-rout-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/ar-AAqOvxH?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 28, 2017, 06:17:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 28, 2017, 06:09:24 AM

More violence towards Trump supporters from the terrorist Antifa organization in Berkeley.

quote
“What hypocrites,” said Linda Fuentes Rosner, 69, a Spanish-language interpreter from Vallejo, who glared at a group in the park chanting anti-Trump slogans. “They don’t know what they’re talking about. You think it’s OK that a Trump supporter gets beat up? It’s embarrassing. The left has prevented the right from speaking. That’s not American, that despotism.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masked-anarchists-violently-rout-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/ar-AAqOvxH?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout

Some one needs to learn English it is not despotism but intolerance. And intolerance is the bigger problem today in the 'United' States.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 28, 2017, 10:19:30 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 28, 2017, 06:17:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 28, 2017, 06:09:24 AM
More violence towards Trump supporters from the terrorist Antifa organization in Berkeley.

quote
“What hypocrites,” said Linda Fuentes Rosner, 69, a Spanish-language interpreter from Vallejo, who glared at a group in the park chanting anti-Trump slogans. “They don’t know what they’re talking about. You think it’s OK that a Trump supporter gets beat up? It’s embarrassing. The left has prevented the right from speaking. That’s not American, that despotism.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masked-anarchists-violently-rout-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/ar-AAqOvxH?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout

Some one needs to learn English it is not despotism but intolerance. And intolerance is the bigger problem today in the 'United' States.

Actually she's correct, as Antifa engages in cruel violence as a way to shut down free speech. I suggest you look up the definition of intolerance and compare it to despotism.

https://www.google.com/search?q=despotism+definition&oq=despotism&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.8630j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

the exercise of absolute power, especially in a cruel and oppressive way.
"the King's arbitrary despotism"

Because Antifa enjoys cover from the MSM, politicians on both sides and University students indoctrinated in Marxism, I would agree with her that their power to shut-down free speech events is absolute. They are cruel and oppressive in that they mace their opponents, they beat them with sticks and bike locks, they punch and kick them and they throw urine and feces onto them. They also dox them and claim that they are "nazi's" when in fact their only "crime" is to be a Trump supporter.

The whole time Antifa gets away with being the obvious aggressor and the media labels their opponents the aggressor. Our media today has modeled their behavior after the famous statement of Goebbels.

Imagine if Trump supporters did this to a prog. They would whine about it for weeks. Yet not a peep from the MSM.

https://twitter.com/shane_bauer/status/901910682030882816

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 28, 2017, 10:32:07 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 28, 2017, 06:17:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 28, 2017, 06:09:24 AM
More violence towards Trump supporters from the terrorist Antifa organization in Berkeley.

quote
“What hypocrites,” said Linda Fuentes Rosner, 69, a Spanish-language interpreter from Vallejo, who glared at a group in the park chanting anti-Trump slogans. “They don’t know what they’re talking about. You think it’s OK that a Trump supporter gets beat up? It’s embarrassing. The left has prevented the right from speaking. That’s not American, that despotism.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/masked-anarchists-violently-rout-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/ar-AAqOvxH?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=mailsignout

Some one needs to learn English it is not despotism but intolerance. And intolerance is the bigger problem today in the 'United' States.

PS. "Intolerance" is an Orwellian catch phrase of the left for anything they do not wish to discuss or debate. Don't be such a sucker! :chuckle:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 28, 2017, 12:58:50 PM

Joe Arpaio may challenge Jeff Flake for Arizona Senate seat: Exclusive
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/joe-arpaio-may-challenge-jeff-flake-for-arizona-senate-seat/article/2632732

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 28, 2017, 01:41:31 PM

Quote from: Popka! on August 28, 2017, 12:58:50 PM

Joe Arpaio may challenge Jeff Flake for Arizona Senate seat: Exclusive
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/joe-arpaio-may-challenge-jeff-flake-for-arizona-senate-seat/article/2632732

I would vote for Arpaio over Flake were I a resident of Arizona.

In related news RINO's McCain and Speaker Ryan objected to the pardon of Arpaio, indicating to true patriots that Trump was correct to do so. :whistle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 28, 2017, 01:53:41 PM

Confederate, I see where you are coming from and English is a fluid language, in my book meaning & definitions change and alter over time. Just look at the word gay to comprehend this.

But a despot is a singular person, think Pol Pot, Uncle Vlad or Brother Joe as examples.

Intolerance is more a way of thinking, you are different than me, I hate you or your religion is corrupt thus I must kill you.

One is the masses and the other an individual.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 28, 2017, 02:27:21 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 28, 2017, 01:53:41 PM

Confederate, I see where you are coming from and English is a fluid language, in my book meaning & definitions change and alter over time. Just look at the word gay to comprehend this.

But a despot is a singular person, think Pol Pot, Uncle Vlad or Brother Joe as examples.

Intolerance is more a way of thinking, you are different than me, I hate you or your religion is corrupt thus I must kill you.

One is the masses and the other an individual.

Antifa are a collection of Pol Pots. I agree with the woman who expressed her opinion. If they were not using violence as a method to shut down free speech it would not rise to the level of being despotic; but in fact they are.

The USA is on the verge of a civil war and the media is pouring gasoline on the fire with their dishonesty and provocations.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 28, 2017, 03:18:14 PM

Just finished watching president Trump and the president of Finland give a joint news conference. I didn't find a link, but it is worth a look.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 28, 2017, 04:07:57 PM

Police, Sheriffs Applaud Trump for Lifting Military Gear Ban

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/810267?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1750470_08282017&s=al&dkt_nbr=010102oix1xb&section=US&keywords=military-police-sheriffs-security&year=2017&month=08&date=28&id=810267&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on August 28, 2017, 06:48:14 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 28, 2017, 02:27:21 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 28, 2017, 01:53:41 PM
Confederate, I see where you are coming from and English is a fluid language, in my book meaning & definitions change and alter over time. Just look at the word gay to comprehend this.

But a despot is a singular person, think Pol Pot, Uncle Vlad or Brother Joe as examples.

Intolerance is more a way of thinking, you are different than me, I hate you or your religion is corrupt thus I must kill you.

One is the masses and the other an individual.

Antifa are a collection of Pol Pots. I agree with the woman who expressed her opinion. If they were not using violence as a method to shut down free speech it would not rise to the level of being despotic; but in fact they are.

The USA is on the verge of a civil war and the media is pouring gasoline on the fire with their dishonesty and provocations.

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/antifa-s-icon-suggestion-che-dolf-t19649.html

Antifa's true icon: Che-Dolf by Red Square

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/various_uploads/Che_Hitler_CHE-DOLF_Antifa.png)

Some decades ago a wise man said, "The fascists of tomorrow will be called anti-fascists." It seems that tomorrow is already here and we may as well say, "The fascists of today call themselves anti-fascists."

Antifa looks, acts, and thinks like the fascist stormtroopers, being a mirror image of whom they allegedly hate.

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/various_uploads/Antifa_Flag_History.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 28, 2017, 08:40:30 PM

Since Av is technically correct, we could also say that Soros is the despot who finances these thugs.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on August 29, 2017, 01:37:44 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 28, 2017, 08:40:30 PM

Since Av is technically correct, we could also say that Soros is the despot who finances these thugs.

My Magyar colleague at work says it is correctly pronounced as Shorosh.

Just for a bit of trivia...

. Pro

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 29, 2017, 09:49:13 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 28, 2017, 03:18:14 PM

Just finished watching president Trump and the president of Finland give a joint news conference. I didn't find a link, but it is worth a look.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 30, 2017, 04:23:17 PM

It's about time to close all investigations against Trump, and the supposed Russian involvement in the election, and focus on getting things accomplished in Washington

Trump attorney delivers point-by-point rebuttal of 'totally false' dossier

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/30/trump-attorney-delivers-point-by-point-rebuttal-totally-false-dossier.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on September 02, 2017, 04:57:11 AM

I saw these two women, Diamond and Silk, on Hannity about a month ago. YouTube is trying to censor them and have put a strangle hold on their Youtube revenue,

Here is their take on the Confederate statues like Robert E. Lee and also today's current Black leaders like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, ect. Then there are other far-left radicals like Louis Farrakhan.

(For the record, Robert E. Lee did not believe in slavery. His loyalty was to his home state of Virginia, which joined the Confederacy.). But don't let those facts get in the way, radical leftists.

https://www.facebook.com/DiamondandSilk/videos/913420098807104/

I will say that the other pro-slavery party that these two did not mention is the know defunct Whig party. Martin Van Buren was one such Whig president. He did not want to get involved in the Tejas split from Mexico that eventually led to the to the Spanish-American war of 1846-1848.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on September 02, 2017, 05:28:49 AM

Diamond and Silk on their revenue and censorship issue with Youtube.

https://www.facebook.com/FoxNews/videos/10155812430401336/

https://www.facebook.com/freedomain.radio/videos/10155630675034183/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 02, 2017, 08:04:13 PM

Trump's decision to fire Comey, was justified :coffeeread:

Comey and Clinton: Rigged from the beginning

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/09/02/comey-and-clinton-rigged-from-beginning.html

Release Clinton email probe details, judge orders FBI

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/01/release-clinton-email-probe-details-judge-orders-fbi.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 02, 2017, 08:49:08 PM

Nice song and photos of Trump in Texas for hurricane Harvey relief.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/904160894661296130

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 05, 2017, 08:10:15 AM

Sen. Jeff Flake’s Poll Numbers Are Only Getting Worse
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2017/08/29/new-flake-poll-n2374419

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 05, 2017, 09:14:30 AM

Quote from: Popka! on September 05, 2017, 08:10:15 AM

Sen. Jeff Flake’s Poll Numbers Are Only Getting Worse
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2017/08/29/new-flake-poll-n2374419

The republicans congress should pay attention to what the voters that elected Trump want congress to get accomplished.
Republicans unwilling to work with Trump may very well be committing political suicide.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 05, 2017, 09:47:08 AM

Quote from: Popka! on September 05, 2017, 08:10:15 AM

Sen. Jeff Flake’s Poll Numbers Are Only Getting Worse
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2017/08/29/new-flake-poll-n2374419

You would think that after Trump defeated 16 contenders during the election that these arrogant politicians would comprehend that what they offer is not what the voters want.

The voters prefer a gruff rough and tumble honest man versus policy wonks like Shakespeare who always have excuses for failure and for not putting up a real fight against the Democrats.

Flake is just that, a total flake. Lot's of hot air but little substance. Yet another RINO.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 05, 2017, 12:08:09 PM

McCain needs to be put out to pasture. Trump should be commended for placing this in the hands of congress where it should have been done in the first time around.

McCain condemns Trump's move to end DACA; other GOP leaders say they'll pass larger reform

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/05/sen-mccain-condemns-trumps-move-to-end-dreamers-program.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 05, 2017, 12:41:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 05, 2017, 09:47:08 AM

You would think that after Trump defeated 16 contenders during the election that these arrogant politicians would comprehend that what they offer is not what the voters want.

The voters prefer a gruff rough and tumble honest man versus policy wonks like Shakespeare who always have excuses for failure and for not putting up a real fight against the Democrats.

Flake is just that, a total flake. Lot's of hot air but little substance. Yet another RINO.

Flake bought into what the liberal news was telling him. He thought he would gain
some media love like John McCain gets when he craps on his own party. Flake got
the media love, but GOP voters are pissed.

I could reword an old Shakey theory is that Flake needs to stop making unforced
errors. Flake gained nothing by beating up the president and has obviously hurt
himself and he might just get primarried.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 05, 2017, 12:45:16 PM

Quote from: Popka! on September 05, 2017, 12:41:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 05, 2017, 09:47:08 AM

You would think that after Trump defeated 16 contenders during the election that these arrogant politicians would comprehend that what they offer is not what the voters want.

The voters prefer a gruff rough and tumble honest man versus policy wonks like Shakespeare who always have excuses for failure and for not putting up a real fight against the Democrats.

Flake is just that, a total flake. Lot's of hot air but little substance. Yet another RINO.

Flake bought into what the liberal news was telling him. He thought he would gain
some media love like John McCain gets when he craps on his own party. Flake got
the media love, but GOP voters are pissed.

I could reword an old Shakey theory is that Flake needs to stop making unforced
errors. Flake gained nothing by beating up the president and has obviously hurt
himself and he might just get primarried.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 05, 2017, 02:19:55 PM

Quote from: Popka! on September 05, 2017, 12:41:03 PM

I could reword an old Shakey theory is that Flake needs to stop making unforced
errors. Flake gained nothing by beating up the president and has obviously hurt
himself and he might just get primarried.

Flake is a flake.

I really hope he does get primaryed. The sooner he's out of government the better!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 06, 2017, 05:55:23 PM

If you drag your feet ,You might get your toes stepped on.
The republicans need to get with the program. Trump wants to get things done even if it means siding with the democrats.

A Donald Trump picture you need to see

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/trump-schumer-photo/index.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 08, 2017, 02:09:18 PM

GOP outraged after Trump refuses to consider Lois Lerner prosecution
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gop-outraged-after-trump-refuses-to-consider-lois-lerner-prosecution/article/2633848

Trump’s DOJ won’t pursue charges against Lois Lerner, former IRS senior executive
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/8/donald-trumps-doj-wont-pursue-charges-against-lois/

(http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130522112606-lois-lerner-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 08, 2017, 04:20:02 PM

Quote from: Popka! on September 08, 2017, 02:09:18 PM

GOP outraged after Trump refuses to consider Lois Lerner prosecution
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gop-outraged-after-trump-refuses-to-consider-lois-lerner-prosecution/article/2633848

Trump’s DOJ won’t pursue charges against Lois Lerner, former IRS senior executive
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/8/donald-trumps-doj-wont-pursue-charges-against-lois/

(http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130522112606-lois-lerner-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg)

Why the Hell not? Very odd.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on September 08, 2017, 05:41:48 PM

Probably got a behind door deal to not get audited. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on September 08, 2017, 07:37:25 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on September 08, 2017, 05:41:48 PM

Probably got a behind door deal to not get audited. :chuckle:

I hope Donald doesn't become a part of the District of Corruption Deep State swamp/sewer.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 09, 2017, 02:04:27 AM

Quote from: ?ManyQuestions? on September 08, 2017, 07:37:25 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on September 08, 2017, 05:41:48 PM
Probably got a behind door deal to not get audited. :chuckle:

I hope Donald doesn't become a part of the District of Corruption Deep State swamp/sewer.

Maybe too late.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 09, 2017, 08:17:12 AM

Just goes to show how Hollywood elite lack common sense.
If talking green, what about the amount of air pollution Hollywood has contributed over the years?

Tucker Slams 'Out of Touch' Jennifer Lawrence for Linking Hurricanes to Trump

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/08/tucker-carlson-slams-jennifer-lawrence-linking-trump-hurricanes-harvey-irma

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 09, 2017, 09:59:47 AM

I thought I heard all the excuses why Hillary lost the election, but I find myself
wrong again as Team Hillary keeps throwing stories against the wall hoping that
something will stick.

Top Hillary Advisor Suggests Bernie Colluded With Russia During the Primary
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/top-hillary-clinton-advisor-suggests-bernie-sanders-colluded-russia-primary/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 09, 2017, 10:33:36 AM

Quote from: Popka! on September 09, 2017, 09:59:47 AM

I thought I heard all the excuses why Hillary lost the election, but I find myself
wrong again as Team Hillary keeps throwing stories against the wall hoping that
something will stick.

Top Hillary Advisor Suggests Bernie Colluded With Russia During the Primary
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/09/top-hillary-clinton-advisor-suggests-bernie-sanders-colluded-russia-primary/

when they get to the one where seth rich colluded and hillary ordered him dead you're onto something.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 09, 2017, 06:35:13 PM

Under Trump, Job Market Has Improved More for Clinton Supporters

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/upshot/under-trump-job-market-has-improved-more-for-clinton-supporters.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 09, 2017, 11:01:54 PM

Another good meeting for Trump.

Trump builds a friendship with Kuwait that helps America

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-builds-a-friendship-with-kuwait-that-helps-america/article/2633895

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 10, 2017, 11:43:08 AM

Quote from: Popka! on September 05, 2017, 12:41:03 PM

primarried.

Quote from: shakespear on September 05, 2017, 02:19:55 PM

primaryed.

I didn't know how to spell primaried and it's not in my spell check so I wrote what looked
right to me, rather than spend too much time trying to figure it out. I saw how Shakespeare
spelled it and I was pretty sure that was wrong too. So now that it's Sunday, I have a few
minutes to look it up and we were both wrong.

I had too many r's and Shakey had a y in it.

Getting Primaried: The Changing Politics of Congressional Primary Challenges
(Legislative Politics and Policy Making)
https://www.amazon.com/Getting-Primaried-Congressional-Challenges-Legislative/dp/0472035851

Griffith getting primaried
http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/1209/Griffith_getting_primaried.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_challenge

Getting Primaried
The Changing Politics of Congressional Primary Challenges
Robert G. Boatright
https://www.press.umich.edu/5181079/getting_primaried

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 11, 2017, 02:06:28 PM

The liberal media criticized president Trump for his harsh tone on North Korea, but word out of north Korea has about the same tone.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/11/asia/north-korea-un-vote/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 12, 2017, 06:50:55 PM

President Trump gets good news from the supreme court.

Supreme Court lifts restrictions on Trump travel ban

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/350373-supreme-court-lifts-restrictions-on-trump-travel-ban

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on September 12, 2017, 08:12:00 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 12, 2017, 06:50:55 PM

President Trump gets good news from the supreme court.

Supreme Court lifts restrictions on Trump travel ban

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/350373-supreme-court-lifts-restrictions-on-trump-travel-ban

So the President can exercise authority lawfully given to him by the Congress?! Libs throughout the nation will be TRIGGERED!!!

B/B

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 13, 2017, 12:22:22 PM

Hillary really wants to be relevant these days. Her book otherwise known
as the book of excuses why I lost and it's not my fault. Has been heavily
discounted to generate sales and Amazon has been deleting one star
reviews.

(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/clinton-book-feature.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1328&h=882&crop=1)

Upcoming Book/Excuse Tour Gives Democrats Hillary Fatigue Syndrome

https://spectator.org/upcoming-bookexcuse-tour-gives-democrats-hillary-fatigue-syndrom/

Hillary’s New Book Being Sold at Severe Discount
https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2017/09/hillarys-new-book-sold-severe-discount/

Book to chronicle election and list scapegoats galore
http://observer.com/2017/07/hillary-clinton-book-what-happened/

Amazon deletes one-star reviews of Hillary Clinton's new book
https://www.yahoo.com/news/amazon-steps-trump-supporters-trash-130010734.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 13, 2017, 03:22:11 PM

President Trump is getting kinda cozy with the Dems.

Schumer, Pelosi to Push 'Dreamers' Deal, Healthcare Fix at Trump Dinner

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/813324?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1753348_09132017&s=al&dkt_nbr=010502jydjq6&section=Politics&keywords=schumer-pelosi-trump-dem&year=2017&month=09&date=13&id=813324&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 14, 2017, 08:59:35 AM

Trump, Dems move closer to deal on DACA

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/13/politics/chuck-schumer-nancy-pelosi-donald-trump/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on September 14, 2017, 11:10:06 AM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170914/2edf6712bb9f676537e904e478c0c13c.jpg)

. Pro

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 14, 2017, 11:24:16 AM

Quote from: Ste on September 14, 2017, 11:10:06 AM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170914/2edf6712bb9f676537e904e478c0c13c.jpg)

. Pro

:ROFL: :thumbsup: tiphat that is good one and points to the disparity in the US (perhaps it is the unreality)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 14, 2017, 03:40:04 PM

POTUS: 'Lot of People Saying 'Trump Might Have a Point' About Antifa'

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/14/trump-says-he-was-right-about-antifa-violence-charlottesville-bad-dudes

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on September 14, 2017, 06:42:21 PM

Quote from: Ste on September 14, 2017, 11:10:06 AM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170914/2edf6712bb9f676537e904e478c0c13c.jpg)

. Pro

The dude in the photo looks just like the local guy who got arrested for murdering his pregnant girlfriend. (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 14, 2017, 07:45:56 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJr8XLdXkAUFX3N.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 15, 2017, 03:53:07 PM

A Trump feel good story.

Trump lets an 11-year-old boy mow the White House lawn

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2017/09/15/trump-lets-an-11-year-old-boy-mow-the-white-house-lawn/?utm_term=.62fdc12de84f

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 15, 2017, 06:44:54 PM

One can understand why murder rates in Chicago continue to rise.
If you want to protect illegal immigrants then there's an opening for other laws to be disregarded.

Federal Court Says Trump Administration Can't Deny Funds To Sanctuary Cities

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/15/551397597/federal-court-says-trump-administration-can-t-deny-funds-to-sanctuary-cities

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on September 15, 2017, 09:36:45 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 15, 2017, 06:44:54 PM

One can understand why murder rates in Chicago continue to rise.
If you want to protect illegal immigrants then there's an opening for other laws to be disregarded.

Federal Court Says Trump Administration Can't Deny Funds To Sanctuary Cities

One can only hope this will be rectified by SCOTUS as the travel ban was. Democrat mayors - and it's always Dems - should be jailed for aiding and abetting law breakers and defying federal law.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 16, 2017, 08:05:40 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 13, 2017, 03:22:11 PM

President Trump is getting kinda cozy with the Dems.

Schumer, Pelosi to Push 'Dreamers' Deal, Healthcare Fix at Trump Dinner

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/813324?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1753348_09132017&s=al&dkt_nbr=010502jydjq6&section=Politics&keywords=schumer-pelosi-trump-dem&year=2017&month=09&date=13&id=813324&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

He has to. The republicans are too divided to pass anything. So it is like the dems have a majority in congress. Now the republicans are responding by becoming more divided. If the republican want to push the Dems agenda just keep not passing anything.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 16, 2017, 01:29:53 PM

What so many liberals seem to leave out when they talk about immigration is the word illegal.
If the average American does something illegal if caught there is a penalty, Jail ,fines, public service ect.

Trump is not anti immigration, he just sees lawlessness running wild, which has to be brought under control.

California lawmakers vote to become sanctuary state

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/09/16/california-lawmakers-take-anti-trump-stance-with-sanctuary-state-vote/23211596/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 16, 2017, 02:24:36 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 16, 2017, 01:29:53 PM

California lawmakers vote to become sanctuary state

Liberals are always wanting or doing silly things. However, The USA being a constitutional
republic I usually look to see if the constitution says about those silly liberal ideas.

The liberals usually hate the 10th Amendment, which says

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Which you think the liberals would cheer about that but Unfortunately for silly liberals
Immigration is clearly not something that that was reserved for the States. Because
if you read Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution it says

"The Congress shall have Power To
4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, "

So the immigration and naturalization laws are set by Congress and enforced by the
executive branch. Liberal lawsuits and laws passed by states don't have any legal
foundation to stand on and it seems only the Supreme's in the federal court
system know how to read.

Lastly sanctuary cities/states and liberal confabs

Article IV section 2 of the constitution says
"2: A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall
flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive
Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State
having Jurisdiction of the Crime."

The way I read that, is there can't be any sanctuary states/cites/liberal confabs that
protect illegal aliens. That the Chief Executive of the USA or one of his appointed
representatives can ask that any and all illegals be delivered up to federal officers
and there is little that the liberal confabs/states or cities can do to oppose this.

Does anyone read it differently?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 16, 2017, 04:47:42 PM

Quote from: Popka! on September 16, 2017, 02:24:36 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 16, 2017, 01:29:53 PM
California lawmakers vote to become sanctuary state

Liberals are always wanting or doing silly things. However, The USA being a constitutional
republic I usually look to see if the constitution says about those silly liberal ideas.

The liberals usually hate the 10th Amendment, which says

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Which you think the liberals would cheer about that but Unfortunately for silly liberals
Immigration is clearly not something that that was reserved for the States. Because
if you read Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution it says

"The Congress shall have Power To
4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, "

So the immigration and naturalization laws are set by Congress and enforced by the
executive branch. Liberal lawsuits and laws passed by states don't have any legal
foundation to stand on and it seems only the Supreme's in the federal court
system know how to read.

Lastly sanctuary cities/states and liberal confabs

Article IV section 2 of the constitution says
"2: A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall
flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive
Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State
having Jurisdiction of the Crime."

The way I read that, is there can't be any sanctuary states/cites/liberal confabs that
protect illegal aliens. That the Chief Executive of the USA or one of his appointed
representatives can ask that any and all illegals be delivered up to federal officers
and there is little that the liberal confabs/states or cities can do to oppose this.

Does anyone read it differently?

No.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 16, 2017, 04:49:45 PM

Quote from: B.B. on September 15, 2017, 09:36:45 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 15, 2017, 06:44:54 PM
One can understand why murder rates in Chicago continue to rise.
If you want to protect illegal immigrants then there's an opening for other laws to be disregarded.

Federal Court Says Trump Administration Can't Deny Funds To Sanctuary Cities

One can only hope this will be rectified by SCOTUS as the travel ban was. Democrat mayors - and it's always Dems - should be jailed for aiding and abetting law breakers and defying federal law.

B/B

I would love to see Rahm put in jail. Send the little weasel to Guantanamo if need be.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 16, 2017, 06:04:06 PM

I'm still hopeful Hillary will be investigated with the same enthusiasm that is being given to the Russian Trump collusion witch hunt.

New Emails Show Huma Abedin Mishandled Classified Info on Barrage of Sensitive Issues

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/09/14/new-emails-show-clinton-mishandled-even-more-classified-information-n2381433

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 17, 2017, 12:43:55 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 16, 2017, 06:04:06 PM

I'm still hopeful Hillary will be investigated with the same enthusiasm that is being given to the Russian Trump collusion witch hunt.

They decided NOT to go after Louis Lerner, which even democrats KNOW is guilty.
Trump still has Koskinen as the IRS commissioner. There is zero chance that they
are going to go after Hillary.

My fear is if they don't go after Lerner, that the very next Democrat administration
will do the exact same thing. Why wouldn't they?

Trump needs to get rid of 100% of Obama appointees. He should have done it on day one.
You can't let yourself get too wrapped up with any politician. They will always let you down.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 17, 2017, 06:35:57 PM

President Trump is getting negative press about this tweet, but it's pretty darn funny. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 18, 2017, 08:56:58 AM

Quote from: Popka! on September 16, 2017, 02:24:36 PM

Does anyone read it differently?

Yes. I think Article IV Section 2 applies to Extradition only. It's a states rights thing.

But I'll yield to B.B. as the list legal authority on this matter.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 18, 2017, 11:32:44 AM

Quote from: shakespear on September 18, 2017, 08:56:58 AM

Yes. I think Article IV Section 2 applies to Extradition only. It's a states rights thing.

It's the opposite of a states rights thing, it tells states that they don't have
sovereignty when it comes to harboring criminals. They must send criminals
back to wherever they committed a crime.

What is your definition of a sanctuary city or state?

Mine is as follows. A city that offers criminals refuge or safe harbor from
prosecution for crimes committed elsewhere, or to shield them from exposure
in some way. In this case for crimes at the US border which is the US
Government's domain.

Quote from: shakespear on September 18, 2017, 08:56:58 AM

But I'll yield to B.B. as the list legal authority on this matter.

I would be happy to learn his thoughts on the matter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 18, 2017, 11:44:11 AM

Quote from: Popka! on September 18, 2017, 11:32:44 AM

What is your definition of a sanctuary city or state? Mine is as follows.
A city that offers criminals refuge or safe harbor from prosecution for crimes
committed elsewhere, or to shield them from exposure in some way. In this
case for crimes at the US border which is the US Government's domain.

Mine is a bit different.

They certainly prosecute and punish illegal immigrants for state and local crimes committed in their jurisdiction. However upon resolution of the local case, "sanctuary cities" refuse to cooperate with the federal government for violations of the US immigration laws and turn these people over to the feds.

I'm not aware of any instance where a state has refused to honor an extradition request from another state for a felony crime just because the accused was an illegal immigrant.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 18, 2017, 12:20:08 PM

Quote from: Popka! on September 18, 2017, 11:32:44 AM

Quote from: shakespear on September 18, 2017, 08:56:58 AM
Yes. I think Article IV Section 2 applies to Extradition only. It's a states rights thing.

It's the opposite of a states rights thing, it tells states that they don't have
sovereignty when it comes to harboring criminals. They must send criminals
back to wherever they committed a crime.

What is your definition of a sanctuary city or state?

Mine is as follows. A city that offers criminals refuge or safe harbor from
prosecution for crimes committed elsewhere, or to shield them from exposure
in some way. In this case for crimes at the US border which is the US
Government's domain.

Quote from: shakespear on September 18, 2017, 08:56:58 AM
But I'll yield to B.B. as the list legal authority on this matter.

I would be happy to learn his thoughts on the matter.

I agree with your definition. A crime was committed at the border. No cooperation with Feds should equal no $$ from the Federal government. Better yet arrest Rahm Immanuel and Jerry Brown and replace them. If we can do it overseas we can do it in the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 18, 2017, 12:48:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 18, 2017, 12:20:08 PM

A crime was committed at the border. No cooperation with Feds should equal no $$ from the Federal government.

I'm with ya 100% on that one.

You want the federal money, obey the federal laws.

The ruling by U.S. District Judge Harry Leinenweber who is a senile 80+ year old Reagan appointee is a classic example of why Judges should have term limits.

Title: 1827. Harboring -- Applicable Statutes
Post by: 2tallbill on September 18, 2017, 02:02:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 18, 2017, 12:20:08 PM

I agree with your definition. A crime was committed at the border. No cooperation with Feds should equal no $$ from the Federal government. Better yet arrest Rahm Immanuel and Jerry Brown and replace them. If we can do it overseas we can do it in the USA.

Interesting concept.

In most cases, you can't do anything against Rahn or Jerry Moonbeam, because the
crimes aren't felonies. However, in the cases where the illegal alien is a felon because
of repeated abuse of immigration laws then 18 U.S.C. §§ 1073 - 1074 (flight to avoid
prosecution or giving testimony provisions) could be used to put people in jail₁.

All it would take is putting a couple people in jail to get them to stop the practice.
Perp walking them to jail. The Ninth circus would declare it unconstitutional and
it would have to be settled by the Supreme's.

It may require more gonads than team Trump seems to have these days.

1. 1827. Harboring -- Applicable Statutes
https://www.justice.gov/usam/criminal-resource-manual-1827-harboring-applicable-statutes

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 18, 2017, 02:13:43 PM

What I would do is make a tent city Jail on federal land in the desert near the border
and have ex-sheriff Joe Arpaio run it and put 100% of the people caught crossing the
border in the tent jail for 6 months and 2 years₁ for repeat offenders and we would
stop having the problems.

We already have the laws, somebody just needs to enforce them. The tent city jail
has already been tested by the courts and won.

1. The corresponding existing law
"For the first improper entry offense, the person can be fined (as a criminal penalty), or imprisoned for up to six months, or both. For a subsequent offense, the person can be fined or imprisoned for up to two years, or both. (See 8 U.S.C. Section 1325, I.N.A. Section 275.)"
http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/us-immigration/crime-enter-illegally.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 18, 2017, 05:09:33 PM

Justice Department appeals block on Trump's sanctuary city executive order

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/09/18/sanctuary-cities-justice-trump-appeal-242859

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 18, 2017, 06:00:10 PM

Hillary is just can't handle the loss. :chuckle:

Hillary Clinton just floated the possibility of contesting the 2016 electio

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/hillary-clinton-2016-trump/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 18, 2017, 06:05:44 PM

Exclusive: US government wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/18/politics/paul-manafort-government-wiretapped-fisa-russians/index.html?adkey=bn

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 18, 2017, 07:24:58 PM

I think this time the republicans will get it done.
John McCain will most likely give a yes vote being his good buddy Lindsey Graham is a co sponsor.
If Obama care is repealed Trump will have momentum in his favor.

New GOP ObamaCare repeal bill gains momentum

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/351198-new-gop-obamacare-repeal-bill-gains-momentum

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 19, 2017, 07:39:13 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 18, 2017, 07:24:58 PM

If Obama care is repealed Trump will have momentum in his favor.

"The Marines have landed and the situation is well under control"

Thank General Kelly for EVERYTHING the Trump White House has been able to accomplish since early August.

He has brought order, discipline and legitimacy to what was once a completely disorganized chaos filled White House.

He has successfully put the bit in Trump's mouth. We're going to see a tremendous advancement of the Trump agenda in the coming weeks and months.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on September 19, 2017, 02:02:44 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 19, 2017, 07:39:13 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 18, 2017, 07:24:58 PM
If Obama care is repealed Trump will have momentum in his favor.

"The Marines have landed and the situation is well under control"

Thank General Kelly for EVERYTHING the Trump White House has been able to accomplish since early August.

He has brought order, discipline and legitimacy to what was once a completely disorganized chaos filled White House.

He has successfully put the bit in Trump's mouth. We're going to see a tremendous advancement of the Trump agenda in the coming weeks and months.

Well that lasted until, well today really....

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 19, 2017, 02:40:40 PM

Gotta love Trump's enthusiasm!

Why Trump’s threat to ‘totally destroy’ North Korea is extraordinary — even for him

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/09/19/why-trumps-threat-to-totally-destroy-north-korea-is-extraordinary-even-for-him/?utm_term=.f6810a6f46ad

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 19, 2017, 06:02:04 PM

I can think of a few more democrats that should be arrested.

Democratic congressmen arrested in protests outside Trump Tower

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/19/democratic-congressmen-arrested-in-protests-outside-trump-tower.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 19, 2017, 08:47:32 PM

Tucker Breaks Down New Trump Wiretap Report: 'Rogue' Intel Agencies or DC 'Collusion'

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/19/tucker-carlson-talks-cnn-trump-wiretap-report-paul-manafort-trump-tower

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 20, 2017, 12:18:59 AM

Please P. Manafort is by every standard ~~dirty~~ toxic.

A foul and evil person who has made hundreds of millions defending dictators, henchman and butchers. He has abused and run rough shod over American laws and rules and now some whine that this is not fair.

Yes he helped steer Trump through the delegate process for the Republican nomination to Presidency. But the guy is soiled.

Some complain about G. Soros but the evil that can be laid at P. Manafort's door step is black and white ~ clear and compelling. He is a low life bottom feeder based on his actions.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 20, 2017, 10:53:02 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 20, 2017, 12:18:59 AM

Please P. Manafort is by every standard ~~dirty~~ toxic.

No arguments, they did need someone of his ilk to slither around through the
delegate mess that the never Trumper's were trying to propagate. He didn't last
long past that.

There are basically three issues
1. Team Obama was surveilling team Trump with intentions of affecting the election.
Then he had the bass cojones to say that the Russians interfered in the election and
caused Hillary to lose.

2. Manafort is an American citizen. He was surveilled for over a year by the FBI and
they didn't have anything to make a case about. Which is illegal without a FISA
court ruling, which they got (twice). Since they couldn't make a case against him
Team Obama unmasked him to make him and Trump appear to be guilty. Unmasking
the subject of a FISA warrant is a felony. Once showing their brass b@lls they brazen
it out and with the media's help tries to convict Team Trump for Team Obama's sins.

3. Team Obama left in place a hostile weaponized Justice Department that are still
going after team Trump. Innocence is no excuse, they will find or manufacture
something.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 20, 2017, 12:03:31 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 20, 2017, 10:53:02 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 20, 2017, 12:18:59 AM
Please P. Manafort is by every standard ~~dirty~~ toxic.

No arguments, they did need someone of his ilk to slither around through the
delegate mess that the never Trumper's were trying to propagate. He didn't last
long past that.

There are basically three issues
1. Team Obama was surveilling team Trump with intentions of affecting the election.
Then he had the bass cojones to say that the Russians interfered in the election and
caused Hillary to lose.

2. Manafort is an American citizen. He was surveilled for over a year by the FBI and
they didn't have anything to make a case about. Which is illegal without a FISA
court ruling, which they got (twice). Since they couldn't make a case against him
Team Obama unmasked him to make him and Trump appear to be guilty. Unmasking
the subject of a FISA warrant is a felony. Once showing their brass b@lls they brazen
it out and with the media's help tries to convict Team Trump for Team Obama's sins.

3. Team Obama left in place a hostile weaponized Justice Department that are still
going after team Trump. Innocence is no excuse, they will find or manufacture
something.

I agree it is a fair statement of the reality.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 20, 2017, 02:31:08 PM

Quote from: Ste on September 19, 2017, 02:02:44 PM

Well that lasted until, well today really....

His UN speech was fine. It's really about time that we told those Bozo's
what's up. If it were up to me, I would tell all those knuckle heads to
have the UN somewhere else, and with somebody else and kick them
all out of New York.

Trump was far sweeter than I would ever be.

Title: Enough Is Enough . . . . . . .
Post by: shakespear on September 22, 2017, 04:10:05 PM

OK. Enough is enough! Senator McConnell needs to grow a pair. He needs to summon Senators Collins, Paul and McCain into his office and tell them point blank that if they do not vote to repeal Obamacare by voting for the Graham-Cassidy Bill he will remove them from any and all legislative committees on which they serve and appoint the three of them to a "special Senate committee" in charge of the care and maintenance of public washrooms at national parks.

They made a promise to the voters to repeal and replace Obamacare. It's time they made good on that promise.

Title: Re: Enough Is Enough . . . . . . .
Post by: 2tallbill on September 22, 2017, 05:37:26 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 22, 2017, 04:10:05 PM

OK. Enough is enough! Senator McConnell needs to grow a pair.

It's not going to happen, he should have been primaried back in 2014, now he
thinks he's invulnerable and he's not going to hurt a popular GOP Senator from his
own state. I would bring Rand in and ask him what would it take, to get his vote.
Collins would probably switch parties if threatened.

Taking McCain off his Armed Services committee would probably work, but McConnell
won't do it. McCain loves the adoring press he gets when he pokes his own party in
the eye.

Best chance is to get Paul on board.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on September 22, 2017, 06:08:30 PM

Quote from: Ste on September 19, 2017, 02:02:44 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 19, 2017, 07:39:13 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on September 18, 2017, 07:24:58 PM
If Obama care is repealed Trump will have momentum in his favor.

"The Marines have landed and the situation is well under control"

Thank General Kelly for EVERYTHING the Trump White House has been able to accomplish since early August.

He has brought order, discipline and legitimacy to what was once a completely disorganized chaos filled White House.

He has successfully put the bit in Trump's mouth. We're going to see a tremendous advancement of the Trump agenda in the coming weeks and months.

Well that lasted until, well today really....

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One politician disagrees with Trump ergo Trump is a total buffoon (great word btw).

Give the obsession a break please!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 23, 2017, 07:14:20 AM

Study: Mainstream Polls Used Nearly One-Third More Democrats Than Republicans

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/815261?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1754941_09232017&s=al&dkt_nbr=010504hk5lag&section=Newsfront&keywords=mainstream-polls-used-one-third-democrats&year=2017&month=09&date=22&id=815261&aliaspath=%2fManage%2fArticles%2fTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 23, 2017, 10:16:24 AM

Funny thing how athletes and Hollywood celebrities can call Trump racist. Being a white president automatically put him at odds against all minorities.
On the other side during Obama's rule he was given way to much respect while allowing chaos to take place in cities across the United states.
Obama was not called a racist, but his inaction to deal with the problem made things worse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on September 23, 2017, 02:05:21 PM

Its in dutch, but readable with google-translate.

Longread about Clinton / Trump with jucy links.... explains perfectly why clinton lost.

https://www.geenstijl.nl/5138662/feynman-en-of-feiten-er-zitten-waterige-gaten-in-het-sleepnet-van-het-partijkartel/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 26, 2017, 02:24:26 PM

The liberal media continues to try and discredit Trump's administration only they have little to nothing that's news worthy.
The latest email controversy is nothing compared to Hillary's emails.

No, the Trump White House’s private emails aren’t on-par with Hillary Clinton’s

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/09/26/the-trump-teams-private-emails-are-problematic-so-is-comparing-them-to-hillary-clintons/?utm_term=.b27a731125b4

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 26, 2017, 03:35:31 PM

Having the majority and yet can't unite to accomplish anything.
The republican party is pathetic, the Dems vote on party lines why can't republicans do the same?
John McCain is proving to be a liability and really needs to be put out to pasture.

The GOP’s Latest Obamacare Repeal Bill Is Dead

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59ca9a35e4b07e9ca11f3d1b

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on September 26, 2017, 04:05:36 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 26, 2017, 03:35:31 PM

Having the majority and yet can't unite to accomplish anything.
The republican party is pathetic, the Dems vote on party lines why can't republicans do the same?
John McCain is proving to be a liability and really needs to be put out to pasture.

The GOP’s Latest Obamacare Repeal Bill Is Dead

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59ca9a35e4b07e9ca11f3d1b

I'm afraid McCain is going to be underneath said pasture before too long.

http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/09/john_mccain_says_his_brain_cancer_prognosis_very_poor.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 26, 2017, 06:32:21 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on September 26, 2017, 04:05:36 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 26, 2017, 03:35:31 PM
Having the majority and yet can't unite to accomplish anything.
The republican party is pathetic, the Dems vote on party lines why can't republicans do the same?
John McCain is proving to be a liability and really needs to be put out to pasture.

The GOP’s Latest Obamacare Repeal Bill Is Dead

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59ca9a35e4b07e9ca11f3d1b

I'm afraid McCain is going to be underneath said pasture before too long.

http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2017/09/john_mccain_says_his_brain_cancer_prognosis_very_poor.html

The sooner the better. A warmonger and a treacherous traitor is what he really is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 27, 2017, 10:50:56 AM

Quote from: Confederate on September 26, 2017, 06:32:21 PM

The sooner the better.

I wouldn't plan on the political opportunist dying anytime soon. Although his mother
looks healthier than he does. He should have been primaried last election.

John McCain's mom celebrates 105th birthday
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/john-mccains-mom-celebrates-105th-birthday/article/2614186

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 27, 2017, 11:03:19 AM

I prefer to not wish the death of anyone, especially not when the reason is that I happen to disagree with, or dislike, them. However, the family longevity does rather go to show the health benefits attributable to wealth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 27, 2017, 11:46:48 AM

LOL!

Trump is playing the NFL like a Stradivarius :ROFL:

What a bunch of useful idiots.

Kelly has sure wised Trump up :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 27, 2017, 11:48:10 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 27, 2017, 11:03:19 AM

I prefer to not wish the death of anyone, especially not when the reason is that I happen to disagree with, or dislike, them. However, the family longevity does rather go to show the health benefits attributable to wealth.

I agree.

But if McConnell had any plums whatsoever, he's strip him of his Chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 27, 2017, 02:24:02 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 27, 2017, 11:03:19 AM

I prefer to not wish the death of anyone, especially not when the reason is that I happen to disagree with, or dislike, them. However, the family longevity does rather go to show the health benefits attributable to wealth.

+1

While there are (frequently) times I disagree with Senator McCain he has often been correct with his standpoints.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on September 27, 2017, 03:50:38 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 27, 2017, 02:24:02 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 27, 2017, 11:03:19 AM
I prefer to not wish the death of anyone, especially not when the reason is that I happen to disagree with, or dislike, them. However, the family longevity does rather go to show the health benefits attributable to wealth.

+1

While there are (frequently) times I disagree with Senator McCain he has often been correct with his standpoints.

So if you frequently disagree with his often-correct standpoints does this mean you are frequently incorrect, or do I misunderstand?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on September 27, 2017, 04:13:34 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 27, 2017, 11:46:48 AM

LOL!

Trump is playing the NFL like a Stradivarius :ROFL:

What a bunch of useful idiots.

Kelly has sure wised Trump up :nod:

The NFL is playing right into his hands.

The problem the libs have, or should I say "one of the many problems" they have is that they are so caught up in their own Moral Vanity, and they can Never Shut Up about it. Even when they manage to be right on an issue, they're insufferable.

When I go to a ball game of any sort, I don't care to be *lectured*. When I go the movies, I don't need political indoctrination, and so forth. What these dipshits have done is unite the country against them. 70+% feel that this "kneeling" business is disrespectful and 80% think, regardless, they shouldn't be doing it anyway.

While the Left shouts that the Right is a bunch of RAYYYYYCIST!BIGOT!HOMOPHOBE!ISLAMOPHOBES who HATE THE POOR!, they seem to fail to notice that the presidential candidate who was supposed to be a shoe-in got curb-stomped by a guy who displayed the manners of a weak-minded tavern oaf, and yet, when given a choice between El Pussy Grabber and one of their own, 53% of white women came home to Daddy.

The GOP now controls - at least when it can get out of its own fcuking way - the House, Senate and the Presidency. They have double the number of state legislatures and have double the number of governors than the Dems. When you think one thing, and Mr. Market thinks another, it's YOU who is wrong. So either the Dems product blows or their marketing does. I tend to think both, but then again, I'm on the other team.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 27, 2017, 06:34:50 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 27, 2017, 11:03:19 AM

I prefer to not wish the death of anyone, especially not when the reason is that I happen to disagree with, or dislike, them. However, the family longevity does rather go to show the health benefits attributable to wealth.

It's far more than dislike. He's a mentally deranged warmonger who hasn't shown any remorse at all over half a million or more Iraqi deaths due to the bogus WMD story. In fact he was eager to cause more loss of life in Syria. And he deceived the voters in AZ that he would replace Obamacare if given the chance. He's a crook who took bribes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 27, 2017, 07:06:00 PM

This is why Trump was voted president.
If congress won't act, he is going to do something to help bring down the cost of health insurance.

Trump intends to sign executive order on health care next week

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/27/news/economy/trump-executive-order-health-care/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on September 28, 2017, 03:57:56 AM

Trump has shown the world, again, how dumb
a US president could be if he tries hard enough!

(https://i1.wp.com/www.checkpointasia.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Destroy-North-Korea-Donald-Trumps-Speech-and-John-Kellys-Reaction.jpg?w=510)

Donald Trump is so dumb that he probably didn’t realized that he had issued a declaration of war on North Korea when he went ballistic at his first appearance at the United Nations General Assembly last week. Thanks to his big mouth, about 20,000 South Koreans (or Americans) could die – every day – if a war broke out.

In his speech last Tuesday, Trump threatened to “totally destroy” North Korea if the US was forced to defend itself or an ally. Kim Jong-un retaliated by calling Trump a “dotard” and said North Korean rockets would make a visit to the U.S. Of course, Trump wasn’t impressed and tweeted that the North Koreans “won’t be around much longer,” suggesting that the U.S. is on its way to nuke the Hermit Kingdom.

Read more here: Trump Is Gambling With the Lives of Tens of Thousands of South Koreans (http://www.checkpointasia.net/index.php/2017/09/26/trump-is-gambling-with-the-lives-of-tens-of-thousands-of-south-koreans/)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on September 28, 2017, 04:24:12 AM

What is it with you guys needing to quote from Russian Insider - plan B ?;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 28, 2017, 06:59:31 AM

Quote from: Wiz on September 28, 2017, 03:57:56 AM

Donald Trump is so dumb that he probably didn’t realized that he had issued a declaration of war on North Korea when he went ballistic at his first appearance at the United Nations General Assembly last week. Thanks to his big mouth, about 20,000 South Koreans (or Americans) could die – every day – if a war broke out.

While the words that D. Trump used were (in my opinion) unfortunate and clumsy. The international consensus from those who are legal minded was it did not amount to a declaration of war.

One commentator said he felt it was a declaration of war, he was from Caracas.

Perhaps D. Trump is more clever than some give him credit.

In any event as of today North Korea is still according to its rulers heaven on earth, the sky is not raining bombs or parachutes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on September 28, 2017, 07:30:22 AM

. <———— Trump’s brain cell magnified a million times..

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 28, 2017, 09:01:34 AM

Pity that the population of the DPRK are not all lawyers, eh?

Good job that the U.S. has no track record of raining down destruction upon whole populations, eh?

Very good job that the president does not get to declare war without the backing of the military though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 28, 2017, 04:29:21 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 28, 2017, 09:01:34 AM

Very good job that the president does not get to declare war without the backing of the military though.

Dumb Dumbs he needs the backing of Congress. The military follows his orders, he is in fact Commander-in-Chief.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 29, 2017, 01:13:33 PM

Quote from: B.B. on September 27, 2017, 04:13:34 PM

The GOP now controls - at least when it can get out of its own fcuking way - the
House, Senate and the Presidency. They have double the number of state
legislatures and have double the number of governors than the Dems.
When you think one thing, and Mr. Market thinks another, it's YOU who is wrong.

So either the Dems product blows or their marketing does. I tend to think both,
but then again, I'm on the other team.

B/B

Warning football analogy alert!

The Dems have a playbook, they only have about 25 plays and they don't know
how to run any new ones and they especially don't know any that work. The Dems
haven't came up with a single solution that worked in 70 years, but that doesn't
mean that they won't trot that same exact idea out again, as if this time it will
solve the problem.

The calling their opponents racist was one of their favorites but like any play
that you run over and over again the defense learns how to stop it. The American
people have heard or been called racists so many times that they ignore it now.

Just because they lose 5 yards every time they call a play 75 times in a row
means that they need to use that play again and again.

That's why the Dems can't win,

The problem with the GOP is that they elect people who don't really believe or
care about things that work. They allow their enemies to define them and the
problems that we face.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 29, 2017, 01:17:49 PM

Quote from: B.B. on September 27, 2017, 04:13:34 PM

The NFL is playing right into his hands.

My take on the NFL Protest?

The NFL Game Operations Manual is pretty clear on what should happen prior to the stat of any NFL game:

"The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."

There is a difference between "should stand" and "must be on the field". The former is an option while the later is a requirement which includes penalties and forfeiture for failing to comply. It seems to me that it is a condition of employment. They can always quit their job and refuse their salary if this requirement is too odious for them to willingly comply.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 29, 2017, 01:23:47 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 29, 2017, 01:17:49 PM

Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."

There is a difference between "should stand" and "must be on the field". The former is an option while the later is a requirement which includes penalties and forfeiture for failing to comply. It seems to me that it is a condition of employment. They can always quit their job and refuse their salary if this requirement is too odious for them to willingly comply.

The NFL doesn't allow players to play with their shirts untucked or their socks not
pulled up. They went stupid on this one. It's the easiest problem in the world to fix.

"Anyone not standing during the national anthem will be suspended without pay for
the remainder of the season." Problem solved, Next?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 29, 2017, 02:13:56 PM

The NFL protest is rich people usually black protesting that our system is unfair. If it is so unfair how did they get rich? ???

The solution is quit watching football and buying stuff from NFL teams. Do not support building stadiums in your local area. Develop out door actives that you do on Sunday and you will likely be much healthier and happier.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on September 29, 2017, 02:27:38 PM

Mozhet byit’ etot? Trump s privyetom.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on September 29, 2017, 02:34:15 PM

Quote from: Ste on September 29, 2017, 02:27:38 PM

Mozhet byit’ etot? Trump s privyetom.

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Ah so he sued and he won, that means the NFL was acting illegally and broke the law.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on September 29, 2017, 02:41:20 PM

Quote from: Markje on September 29, 2017, 02:34:15 PM

Quote from: Ste on September 29, 2017, 02:27:38 PM
Mozhet byit’ etot? Trump s privyetom.

. Pro
Ah so he sued and he won, that means the NFL was acting illegally and broke the law.

Dunno - poster might be untrue and if it is, we don't know what he sued for. But if it is largely true, it shows Trump has an agenda and using his position to personal issues.

Personally I reckon the poster is made up, but as so many of these are made up, and no one can be arsed to verify them (and why should they?) - may as well play cartoon poster tennis!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 29, 2017, 04:02:34 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 29, 2017, 01:23:47 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 29, 2017, 01:17:49 PM
Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."

There is a difference between "should stand" and "must be on the field". The former is an option while the later is a requirement which includes penalties and forfeiture for failing to comply. It seems to me that it is a condition of employment. They can always quit their job and refuse their salary if this requirement is too odious for them to willingly comply.

The NFL doesn't allow players to play with their shirts untucked or their socks not
pulled up. They went stupid on this one. It's the easiest problem in the world to fix.

"Anyone not standing during the national anthem will be suspended without pay for
the remainder of the season." Problem solved, Next?

Americans vote with their paychecks and the boycott has already begun and will likely go for a few months. Some fans will never return. I won't be purchasing a new jersey of my favorite player or going to a game in person for quite a while.

In fact I suddenly remembered how much I enjoyed the last hockey game I went to. Much faster paced and exciting enough. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 29, 2017, 04:08:40 PM

Quote from: Ste on September 28, 2017, 07:30:22 AM

. <—�—�—�—� Trump’s brain cell magnified a million times..

. Pro

Could you please perform the same exercise to show Hillary Clinton's brain cell magnified a million times?

She had 96% of the media in her pocket as well as Hollywood and the "deep state" on her side. She spent at least a Billion dollars -- a hell of a lot more than Trump did.

Obama had been wiretapping Trump's manager Manafort for a very long time. Allegedly the Russians interfered in our election and according to Hillary may have caused her to lose.

Since the Russians apparently spent about $100,000 or less on facebook ads and Hillary spent literally a Billion Dollars I would say those pesky Russians run a very cost effective campaign.

Or maybe Donald Trump just out hustled her and maybe he's far more "clever" than you give him credit for. :whistle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 29, 2017, 04:11:02 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKp9KTzX0AIRP1w.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 29, 2017, 04:12:40 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on September 29, 2017, 02:13:56 PM

The NFL protest is rich people usually black protesting that our system is unfair. If it is so unfair how did they get rich? ???

The solution is quit watching football and buying stuff from NFL teams. Do not support building stadiums in your local area. Develop out door actives that you do on Sunday and you will likely be much healthier and happier.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 29, 2017, 04:14:05 PM

Quote from: Markje on September 29, 2017, 02:34:15 PM

Quote from: Ste on September 29, 2017, 02:27:38 PM
Mozhet byit’ etot? Trump s privyetom.

. Pro
Ah so he sued and he won, that means the NFL was acting illegally and broke the law.

Exactly. But in case you haven't noticed, Ste is on some sort of mission.

Mission not Accomplished.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 29, 2017, 06:47:12 PM

Taking advantage of taxpayers money is not going to fly in the Trump administration.

Tom Price resignation letter to Trump: 'It is an honor and privilege to serve you

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/29/tom-price-resignation-letter-to-trump-it-is-honor-and-privilege-to-serve.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on September 30, 2017, 07:29:03 AM

Puerto Rico: This is an island. Surrounded by water. Big water. Big ocean.

FFS...

. Pro

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 30, 2017, 09:48:18 AM

Quote from: Ste on September 30, 2017, 07:29:03 AM

Puerto Rico: This is an island. Surrounded by water. Big water. Big ocean.

FFS...

. Pro

Ste, I would get a map or chart of the Caribbean. Slightly to the North West is the Bahama's less than a hundred miles, due North is the New England coast line and New York, to the East less than 40 miles is the US Virgin Islands and to the West, Hispaniola 130 or so miles, to the South is St. Croix by some 80 miles. All distances noted are approximate and Nautical. There is big water only to the north.

This is an island that can not manage its own affairs. It is in billions of dollars of debt.

After Hurricane Hugo, Washington DC poured hundreds of millions of dollars to rebuild. The locals did not enforce hurricane standards and rebuilt exactly the same as pre Hugo. Guess what Irma did a repeat performance.

This almost 40 years old defines the reality, it gets amusing at 2:30 minutes but remains even today brilliant.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on September 30, 2017, 10:47:00 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 30, 2017, 09:48:18 AM

Quote from: Ste on September 30, 2017, 07:29:03 AM
Puerto Rico: This is an island. Surrounded by water. Big water. Big ocean.

FFS...

. Pro

Ste, I would get a map or chart of the Caribbean. Slightly to the North West is the Bahama's less than a hundred miles, due North is the New England coast line and New York, to the East less than 40 miles is the US Virgin Islands and to the West, Hispaniola 130 or so miles, to the South is St. Croix by some 80 miles. All distances noted are approximate and Nautical. There is big water only to the north.

Tell Trumpton..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 30, 2017, 11:33:26 AM

I am confident that D. Trump thinks Manhattan is surrounded by big water & big ocean.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on September 30, 2017, 11:35:34 AM

Trumpton's breaking brain-fart...

Quote

The loss of life — it’s always tragic — but it’s been incredible, the results that we’ve had with respect to loss of life,” the President said. “People can’t believe how successful that has been, relatively speaking.

Definite case of Alzheimers or dementia, he needs help...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 30, 2017, 01:00:03 PM

Quote from: Ste on September 30, 2017, 11:35:34 AM

Trumpton's breaking brain-fart...

Quote
The loss of life — it’s always tragic — but it’s been incredible, the results that we’ve had with respect to loss of life,” the President said. “People can’t believe how successful that has been, relatively speaking.

Definite case of Alzheimers or dementia, he needs help...

Or maybe you need help as you're so fixated on him. I'm thinking of when they locked up the boss of the Pink Panther. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 30, 2017, 01:01:25 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 30, 2017, 09:48:18 AM

Quote from: Ste on September 30, 2017, 07:29:03 AM
Puerto Rico: This is an island. Surrounded by water. Big water. Big ocean.

FFS...

. Pro

Ste, I would get a map or chart of the Caribbean. Slightly to the North West is the Bahama's less than a hundred miles, due North is the New England coast line and New York, to the East less than 40 miles is the US Virgin Islands and to the West, Hispaniola 130 or so miles, to the South is St. Croix by some 80 miles. All distances noted are approximate and Nautical. There is big water only to the north.

This is an island that can not manage its own affairs. It is in billions of dollars of debt.

After Hurricane Hugo, Washington DC poured hundreds of millions of dollars to rebuild. The locals did not enforce hurricane standards and rebuilt exactly the same as pre Hugo. Guess what Irma did a repeat performance.

This almost 40 years old defines the reality, it gets amusing at 2:30 minutes but remains even today brilliant.

Freeloaders who blame others for their own lack of planning.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 30, 2017, 01:48:43 PM

Quote from: Ste on September 29, 2017, 02:41:20 PM

Dunno - poster might be untrue and if it is, we don't know what he sued for.

I do, and it wasn't Donald Trump, that sued it was the league. Donald Trump
owned one of the USFL teams the New Jersey Generals. The USFL sued the
NFL as a monopoly that used that power to undermine competition. The USFL
proved that the NFL did act as a monopoly but they didn't prove how they were
harmed or how it cost them money.

The USFL was awarded a token $1, however in monopoly cases the awards
are trebled, so the USFL won $3. Then I believe all 14 teams* that were left
split the $3.00 so the New Jersey Generals would have been awarded about
$.21 the league folded after the judgement.

*The league had 18 teams at one time but some had either went broke or
combined with other teams. This happened in 1985 so I am relying on my
memory of there being 14 teams left.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 07, 2017, 11:55:41 AM

Yet again the Dems and the liberal media are going to try and pin the failure of Obama care which for all practical purposes was failed long before president Trump.

Trump sabotage seen on ObamaCare

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/354308-trump-sabotage-seen-on-obamacare

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 07, 2017, 11:59:58 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 07, 2017, 11:55:41 AM

Yet again the Dems and the liberal media are going to try and pin the failure of Obama care which for all practical purposes was failed long before president Trump.

Trump sabotage seen on ObamaCare

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/354308-trump-sabotage-seen-on-obamacare

That was a pretty funny article.

"The administration has cut funding for advertising and outreach by 90 percent, raising the odds that fewer people will join the health-care exchanges during the fall enrollment period.

It has slashed funds by 41 percent for outside groups that help reach and enroll likely
ObamaCare consumers."

That was the Democrat outreach, voter registration and liberal organization payola
part of Obamacare. Imagine that the GOP gave funds to the Heritage foundation or
the Cato institute to educate the public on something. The media would scream like
school girls in a spider exhibit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 07, 2017, 12:42:00 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 07, 2017, 11:59:58 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 07, 2017, 11:55:41 AM
Yet again the Dems and the liberal media are going to try and pin the failure of Obama care which for all practical purposes was failed long before president Trump.

Trump sabotage seen on ObamaCare

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/354308-trump-sabotage-seen-on-obamacare

That was a pretty funny article.

"The administration has cut funding for advertising and outreach by 90 percent, raising the odds that fewer people will join the health-care exchanges during the fall enrollment period.

It has slashed funds by 41 percent for outside groups that help reach and enroll likely
ObamaCare consumers."

That was the Democrat outreach, voter registration and liberal organization payola
part of Obamacare. Imagine that the GOP gave funds to the Heritage foundation or
the Cato institute to educate the public on something. The media would scream like
school girls in a spider exhibit.

Well then Republicans need to grow some balls, do likewise and let the media scream.

The more the MSM acts like wimps on estrogen like Kimmel the more determined Trump voters are to keep handing the DNC more losses. You're welcome Shakespeare.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 07, 2017, 12:55:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 07, 2017, 12:42:00 PM

Well then Republicans need to grow some balls, do likewise and let the media scream.

You are preaching to the choir, I am totally into making them scream.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 07, 2017, 01:27:23 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 07, 2017, 12:55:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 07, 2017, 12:42:00 PM

Well then Republicans need to grow some balls, do likewise and let the media scream.

You are preaching to the choir, I am totally into making them scream.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Not sure what it's going to take but we need fewer Paul Ryan's and even fewer John McCains. We need a Republican controlled Congress which shows some unity and loyalty to the people who put Trump in the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 07, 2017, 02:20:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 07, 2017, 01:27:23 PM

We need a Republican controlled Congress which shows some unity and loyalty to the people who put Trump in the White House.

Those who put Trump in the White House deserve nothing less than the screwing that they will get if and when the tax structure is changed to favor the wealthy. Of course, those (the majority) who didn't put him in the White House will be screwed as well. Under Trump, Social Security is likely to take a substantial hit. There will be some karmic justice in that because the uneducated, who favored Trump by a wide margin, are likely to be more reliant on SS than those who are educated and usually stronger financially. The fools understand even less about multiple revenue streams than they do about the qualities that make a good president: temperament, honesty, intelligence, knowledge, integrity and fairness. "Fools and their ~~money~~ [retirements] are soon parted."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 07, 2017, 06:37:40 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 07, 2017, 02:20:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 07, 2017, 01:27:23 PM
We need a Republican controlled Congress which shows some unity and loyalty to the people who put Trump in the White House.

The fools understand even less about multiple revenue streams than they do about the qualities that make a good president: temperament, honesty, intelligence, knowledge, integrity and fairness. "Fools and their ~~money~~ [retirements] are soon parted."

You are not suggesting H Clinton possesses the qualities listed above?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 07, 2017, 08:54:37 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 07, 2017, 06:37:40 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 07, 2017, 02:20:19 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 07, 2017, 01:27:23 PM
We need a Republican controlled Congress which shows some unity and loyalty to the people who put Trump in the White House.

The fools understand even less about multiple revenue streams than they do about the qualities that make a good president: temperament, honesty, intelligence, knowledge, integrity and fairness. "Fools and their ~~money~~ [retirements] are soon parted."

You are not suggesting H Clinton possesses the qualities listed above?

He's just passing gas out of his backside as usual and attempting to pass it off as coherent information.

There's a reason that business owners are exuding confidence and the Stock Market is at an all time high and it isn't because Queen Hillary had a successful coronation.

One would think that nearly a year after the Democrats lost an election which should have been a shoe-in the clingers would get over TARD but they're still bitter. :chuckle: :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 07, 2017, 09:33:23 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 07, 2017, 06:37:40 PM

You are not suggesting H Clinton possesses the qualities listed above?

I didn't mention Hillary, did I?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 08, 2017, 08:41:50 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 07, 2017, 09:33:23 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 07, 2017, 06:37:40 PM
You are not suggesting H Clinton possesses the qualities listed above?

I didn't mention Hillary, did I?

No You didn't mention Hillary, but change the uneducated to Deplorable, and your post reads much like a Hillary campaign ad.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 08, 2017, 08:47:27 AM

You should argue the point that I made, not the point that I didn't make.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 08, 2017, 09:25:59 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 08, 2017, 08:47:27 AM

You should argue the point that I made, not the point that I didn't make.

There's only the three of four people on here that still think Trumpton wasn't the right choice, plus the others out there who can't write.

I still can't fathom how he got in when ever single American I know and have spoken with in USA (I work at an American Bank) said they didn't vote for him. Maybe they did and are now just too embarrassed to admit it. Or Putin added too many naughts on the election-rigging computer. He does seem to have gone rather quiet....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 08, 2017, 09:30:50 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 08, 2017, 08:41:50 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 07, 2017, 09:33:23 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on October 07, 2017, 06:37:40 PM
You are not suggesting H Clinton possesses the qualities listed above?

I didn't mention Hillary, did I?

No You didn't mention Hillary, but change the uneducated to Deplorable, and your post reads much like a Hillary campaign ad.

He also claimed that the people who did not vote for Trump were the majority, which is false when only counting legal voters. Democrats have for years scoffed at the idea that illegals were voting but it's now being proven.

With 8 years of Trump and Sessions working on this issue Democrats may not win again for decades.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/08/out-staters-may-have-won-new-hampshire-for-clinton-data-suggest.amp.html

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-is-right-millions-of-illegals-probably-did-vote-in-2016/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 08, 2017, 10:02:36 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 08, 2017, 09:25:59 AM

There's only the three of four people on here that still think Trumpton wasn't the
right choice, plus the others out there who can't write.

I still can't fathom how he got in when ever single American I know and have spoken
with in USA (I work at an American Bank) said they didn't vote for him. Maybe they
did and are now just too embarrassed to admit it. Or Putin added too many naughts
on the election-rigging computer. He does seem to have gone rather quiet....

(http://www.denverpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/donald-trump-wins-the-presidency-cartoon-luckovich31.jpg?w=620)

I haven't met anyone in Wyoming or North Dakota that disapproves of Trump,
however in Colorado it's more like 50-50. I'm definitely not a rah-rah Trumpist
but I like him far, far better than ANY Dem alternative. I like that he fights
back.

Anecdotal approval numbers from Western Europe don't tend to favor GOP
presidents. However, in the USA More people like him than your anecdotal
experiences. You clearly definitely hate him, and your informal polling might
reinforce what you want to hear. Some people who like you (like me for example)
might want to tell you what you want to hear, but I consider you a big boy and will
tell you my honest opinion whether it clashes with yours or not.

10/06/2017 Poll 46% approve of Trump http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history

Poll: 48 percent approve of Trump's tax proposal
Overall, the 48 percent of voters familiar with the plan who support it is
greater than the 37 percent who oppose it.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/04/trump-tax-proposal-polling-243426

Trump approval at 45%, GOP base 'steady' at 76 percent, independents returning
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-approval-at-45-gop-base-steady-at-76-percent-independents-returning/article/2631255

Trump approval at 45%; Support among Hispanics, western and union voters jumps double digits
https://zogbyanalytics.com/news/788-trump-approval-at-45-support-among-hispanics-west-and-union-voters-jumps-double-digits

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 08, 2017, 10:32:50 AM

Bill posted some of the few article links that are more in line with the actual numbers supporting Trump.
The liberal media just doesn't give accurate accounts.

Take for example how the western media dose much the same to discredit Putin.
Putin's popularity is still very high, and those protests don't represent the majority.

The liberal sponsored anti Trump protects again don't represent the majority.

Those that support Trump and Putin will not be represented with accuracy by the MSM.

Thousands demand Putin quit as birthday protests turn violent

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/world/Thousands-demand-President-Putin-/1068-4129956-129feeo/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 08, 2017, 10:33:49 AM

Just a guess, the American system is such that the United States ended up with H. Clinton as a Democrat running against D. Trump as a Republican. What does anyone expect? A new version of vanilla.

If there was to be an honest contrast of values it would be B. Sanders running against R. Paul.

What we have presently is another flavour of vanilla. p l e a s e e n j o y

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 08, 2017, 10:42:57 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 08, 2017, 10:33:49 AM

Just a guess, the American system is such that the United States ended up with H. Clinton as a Democrat running against D. Trump as a Republican. What does anyone expect? A new version of bland, vanilla.

If there was to be an honest contrast of values it would be B. Sanders running against R. Paul.
(OR Ted Cruz) <<<< ADDED BY BILL

What we have presently is another flavour of vanilla. p l e a s e e n j o y

I would have loved that election. I was just very happy that Jeb Bush got 6% of the
vote with 120 million establishment dollars. The GOP needs to stop trying to push
losers like that on the American people. I would have loved to have a president Paul
or Cruz far better than Trump.

The Dems are going to nominate a liberal looney tunes. They think they lost because
Hillary was in bed with Wall Street and wasn't left enough. Liberals only make up 25%
of voters and they can't win an election unless the GOP nominates a liberal light like
(any) Bush, Dole, McCain, Ford, Romney etc.

If they have a real contrast election with an articulate conservative the liberals will
lose 98 times out of 100.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 08, 2017, 11:00:03 AM

Some good posts - give me something to think about....

Title: Re: President Trump and cherry-picking
Post by: TomT on October 08, 2017, 11:15:35 AM

Someone who espouses critical thinking would consider all information, whereas one who engages in confirmation bias would only consider evidence that validates his own peculiar notions and disregard that which does not.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Even the most obtuse observer should notice that Rasmussen leans much farther to the Right than any of the others.

Title: Re: President Trump and cherry-picking
Post by: d672 on October 08, 2017, 11:42:51 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 08, 2017, 11:15:35 AM

Someone who espouses critical thinking would consider all information, whereas one who engages in confirmation bias would only consider evidence that validates his own peculiar notions and disregard that which does not.

So true... :)

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.msg447729.html#msg447729

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 08, 2017, 11:55:45 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 08, 2017, 11:00:03 AM

Some good posts - give me something to think about....

THAT is something I honor :bow: :bow: :bow: I always knew Ste was a good guy and a reasonable man.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 08, 2017, 05:44:54 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 08, 2017, 10:42:57 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 08, 2017, 10:33:49 AM
Just a guess, the American system is such that the United States ended up with H. Clinton as a Democrat running against D. Trump as a Republican. What does anyone expect? A new version of bland, vanilla.

If there was to be an honest contrast of values it would be B. Sanders running against R. Paul.
(OR Ted Cruz) <<<< ADDED BY BILL

What we have presently is another flavour of vanilla. p l e a s e e n j o y

I would have loved that election. I was just very happy that Jeb Bush got 6% of the
vote with 120 million establishment dollars. The GOP needs to stop trying to push
losers like that on the American people. I would have loved to have a president Paul
or Cruz far better than Trump.

The Dems are going to nominate a liberal looney tunes. They think they lost because
Hillary was in bed with Wall Street and wasn't left enough. Liberals only make up 25%
of voters and they can't win an election unless the GOP nominates a liberal light like
(any) Bush, Dole, McCain, Ford, Romney etc.

If they have a real contrast election with an articulate conservative the liberals will
lose 98 times out of 100.

Senator Rand Paul can NEVER win the Presidency because he's firmly anti-war, which is precisely WHY he SHOULD be President.

Did you see the Valerie Plame controversy?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 08, 2017, 07:23:12 PM

Glad to see President Trump wanting to make the liberals have to give something in return.

President Trump is willing to support DACA — if Congress funds a border wall and other immigration proposals that tech hates

https://www.recode.net/2017/10/8/16445286/president-trump-congress-immigration-reform-dreamers-daca-border-wall-tech-h1b-silicon-valley

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 09, 2017, 04:22:32 AM

Trump really is good at this stuff. WHatever one might think of the compromises he has made, or had forced upon him, when he gets going in an area where he is allowed some freedom of movement he shows why he was elected as Leader of the Free World.

What he has done here is put up something that has no value to him, given it a value, and now is using that invented value to get what he really wants. I'd use the words 'only an idiot' here except that doing so suggests that at least half of the power elite and, by extension the entire population, is comprised of morons and I really hope that this is not true! ~~Only an idiot would be unable to see what is going on here, how~~ Trump set up a negotiating position that ensures he will get what he really wants by giving up something that he doesn't care about.

Title: Re: President Trump and cherry-picking
Post by: 2tallbill on October 09, 2017, 07:42:34 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 08, 2017, 11:15:35 AM

Someone who espouses critical thinking would consider all information, whereas one who engages in confirmation bias would only consider evidence that validates his own peculiar notions and disregard that which does not.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Even the most obtuse observer should notice that Rasmussen leans much farther to
the Right than any of the others.

While I make no claims as to how critically I think, I do agree that an average of
the polls such as RCP is better than a single poll. I would note that CBS had the
lowest approval numbers for Trump, which isn't a surprise since they over sample
democrats by 425 to 283 republicans₁. I've read in the past that the
oversampling by Rasmussen is less over sampled by democrats but I couldn't find
it in my limited search time₂.

I would also add that Democrats really, really don't like Trump and 80% of the GOP
(according to the CBS poll) does.

Mainstream polls use 29% more Democrats than Republicans₃
(https://www.bombthrowers.com/app/uploads/table1.jpg)

1. Page 4 https://docs.cbsnews.com/20/toplines-cbs-pm-poll-9-25-17.pdf
2. I've got to drive to Denver, then Carbondale from Cheyenne while it's
snowing. Hopefully they can keep the roads relatively clear.
3. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fraud-mainstream-polls-use-29-more-democrats-than-republicans/article/2635271

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 09, 2017, 09:01:01 AM

If the oversampling was as skewed as you claim, the final RCP numbers should have predicted a landslide popular vote win for Clinton but they were only off by slightly more than one percent.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Election 2016 was not the usual election, mostly because of the Comey announcement and foreign influence; nonetheless, the majority of the so-called fake-news national polls predicted the outcome with reasonable accuracy. Another factor which you didn't consider is that there are more Democrats than Republicans. To see what happens when the "playing field is leveled," look at the prediction by the LA Times.

p.s. I'm waiting for another "blah, blah, blah" from our deep-thinking Counterfeit/ANT.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 09, 2017, 09:14:28 AM

Looking at the numbers posted, I wonder about the independent 'voters' are there reliable sources to verify these numbers.

I will assume no and with this assume allot of the polls numbers are in doubt.

This is in fact the problem with polls - not enough input with biased assumptions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 09, 2017, 11:11:44 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 09, 2017, 09:14:28 AM

I will assume no and with this assume allot of the polls numbers are in doubt.

In the case of popular-vote polling, comparing the predicted result versus the actual result makes it apparent which polling organizations are accurate and which are not. As you may recall, Rasmussen Reports enhanced their reputation by calling election 2012 for Romney. (Obama won by nearly four points.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 09, 2017, 12:39:30 PM

Comey could not have made an announcement without Hillary having been a deeply flawed and corrupt candidate. Without the unethical and unlawful protection of AG Lynch she never would have been allowed to run.

The Russians spent about 100K on Facebook advertising, compared to a Billion dollars spent by Hillary on top of the fact the media colluded with her every step and even fed her debate questions in advance.

Only a complete moron would mention foreign meddling when the amounts spent were minuscule compared to what Hillary spent.

This is the same moron who assured us HRC would be President and now a year later his obsession has got the better of him and he's back with more worthless polls. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 09, 2017, 12:55:36 PM

As we are now discovering, these much vaunted Russian ads were to drive traffic to click bait sites. They were automated campaigns picking up on trending topics and the traffic went to autogenerated pages. This wasn't political, it was bright folks turning a penny by getting stupids to click onto pages loaded with ads for them to click on.

The folks running these pages will have been from all over the globe but many of the pages owned by Russians, Romanians, Ukrainians, Moldavians and others will have been hosted in Russia using Russian payment systems to buy social ads on Facebook, Google properties and others such as Vimo. Of course many will have been clicked on by inhabitants of the Russian speaking world as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 09, 2017, 01:01:29 PM

Quote from: Counterfeit on October 09, 2017, 12:39:30 PM

Only a complete moron would...

... return to the forum with a new alias and think that his signature obnoxiousness, lies, threats and vacuousness would go unnoticed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 09, 2017, 01:18:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 12, 2015, 01:16:20 PM

Just checked my webpage at GT Bets and you guys who like Trump or Carson to win the Presidential Election in 2016 can get some pretty great odds on a bet if you have the balls to take the risk and put your money where your mouth is. These are actual numbers from a company willing to book your bet and pay off if you guess correctly.

Here are the current odds:

Hillary Clinton (11 to 10)

Jeb Bush (5 to 1)

Bernie Sanders (8 to 1)

Marco Rubio (12 to 1)

Donald Trump (14 to 1)

Carly Fiorina (15 to 1)

Joseph Biden (18 to 1)

Ben Carson (20 to 1)

John Kasich (35 to 1)

Chris Christie (35 to 1)

Ted Cruz (40 to 1)

Elizabeth Warren (50 to 1)

Rand Paul (75 to 1)

Martin Omalley (100 to 1)

Michael Bloomberg (200 to 1)

Bobby Jindal (200 to 1)

Some bookies lost some $$$ on this one. In fact I recall an OCD type who was rambling on about odds.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 09, 2017, 01:23:09 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 17, 2015, 10:46:23 AM

^ I suspect that he is stroking Trump because he wants Hillary to win... and he will get his wish because The Donald has single-handedly destroyed the GOP's chances of getting in the White House.

Yep, here's Einstein with another brilliant prediction!

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 09, 2017, 01:27:19 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 20, 2015, 10:49:07 AM

Quote from: Anteros on December 19, 2015, 01:55:08 PM
As usual you're dreaming. In the latest nationwide poll Trump comes in at 39% versus only 18% for Ted Cruz.

You should bear in mind that a wide gap in a primary does not necessarily translate to a plurality in a general election. Here is a better barometer:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

You should bear in mind....

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 09, 2017, 01:29:38 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 20, 2015, 10:16:11 PM

Quote from: Anteros on December 20, 2015, 11:37:14 AM
You and the rest of the PC crowd are in for a real shock when you realize how much of a tidal wave is coming. Americans are sick of "PC" and we especially are sick of the media and those like you who take what he's really saying out of context.

I'm going to save this post so that I can remind you what you wrote after the election.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 09, 2017, 03:13:39 PM

When I returned, I was terribly disappointed that Justin and ANT were no longer around to share their wisdom and eloquence. Now, I feel as though the sun is breaking through the depressing rain clouds and bestowing good cheer upon the rag-tag lot that we are.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 09, 2017, 03:31:51 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 09, 2017, 09:01:01 AM

If the oversampling was as skewed as you claim, the final RCP numbers should have predicted a landslide popular vote win for Clinton but they were only off by slightly more than one percent.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Election 2016 was not the usual election, mostly because of the Comey announcement and foreign influence; nonetheless, the majority of the so-called fake-news national polls predicted the outcome with reasonable accuracy. Another factor which you didn't consider is that there are more Democrats than Republicans. To see what happens when the "playing field is leveled," look at the prediction by the LA Times.

The CBS poll oversampling was in the Real Clear Politics poll that you linked to,
not for the Trump/Clinton election.

I looked for what company had the lowest result for Trump, then checked their
methodology. I added a link so that you could verify it for yourself.

Udachi!

Bill

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 09, 2017, 03:37:28 PM

There is no way to verify the accuracy of opinion polls so I switched to something that could be verified and included many of the same pollsters.

BTW, you know who owns the Washington Examiner, don't you?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 09, 2017, 04:52:56 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 09, 2017, 03:37:28 PM

There is no way to verify the accuracy of opinion polls so I switched to something that could be verified and included many of the same pollsters.

BTW, you know who owns the Washington Examiner, don't you?

There is no unbiased source however the polling companies usually report on
themselves regarding what the Dem to GOP sampling is. I don't know much about
Philip Anschutz, he is probably every bit as biased as Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 09, 2017, 08:25:29 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 09, 2017, 12:39:30 PM

Comey could not have made an announcement without Hillary having been a deeply flawed and corrupt candidate. Without the unethical and unlawful protection of AG Lynch she never would have been allowed to run.

The Russians spent about 100K on Facebook advertising, compared to a Billion dollars spent by Hillary on top of the fact the media colluded with her every step and even fed her debate questions in advance.

Only a complete moron would mention foreign meddling when the amounts spent were minuscule compared to what Hillary spent.

This is the same moron who assured us HRC would be President and now a year later his obsession has got the better of him and he's back with more worthless polls. :coffeeread:

If Russia wanted Trump as president they sure didn't spend very much.

RussianGoogle uncovers ads by Russian operatives: Report

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/report-google-uncovers-ads-russian-operatives-50368419

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 09, 2017, 09:34:33 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 09, 2017, 04:52:56 PM

There is no unbiased source however the polling companies usually report on
themselves regarding what the Dem to GOP sampling is.

The best that one can hope for is for Right-leaning polls to balance Left-leaning polls. RCP has a good model because they make an effort to include both in their average. Sometimes, the results are skewed because of the way that polls age out. The large bounce, centered around 24 September, for example, was the result of a shortfall of Left-leaning polls, not because Trump did anything right in September. Of course, the reverse has happened as well.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

The Washington Examiner cherry-picked specific polls that are not necessarily representative and they avoided reporting on Right-leaning polls altogether. They got the Liberal-media/fake news slant that they were looking for by selecting the data to produce the desired results. There is considerable irony in a news agency complaining about bias whilst they produce it themselves.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 09, 2017, 09:42:36 PM

Speaking of bias, I'm a bit disappointed that ANT hasn't welcomed me back. After all, if not for me, he wouldn't get nearly the amount of attention that he deserves.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 10, 2017, 05:02:10 AM

This whole charade about Russian influence through tiny purchases of advertising is simply feeding into the global meme that the U.S is rudderless and powerless.

Of course the U.S is still very powerful, dunno about the rudder though. The perception is becoming rather different.

If the U.S can be influenced to change its elections by virtue of a few thousands dollars spent on ads on social media that point to pages about cats, fake news pages and a few clickbait links on RT or Sputnik then out takeaway is that democracy, such as it ever was in the U.S is now dead.

Secondly, we learn that the U.S intelligence services are useless, incapable of protecting the country against the very threats they are tasked to defend against.

Thirdly, that the American people, as a whole, are highly suggestible if a few thousand (literally) dollars can overturn campaign spending by the major parties in the election of over $1,000,000,000.

At the same time it tells the world that U.S marketers are incompetent buffoons if their campaigns are so poor that a spend of around $100,000^* by a whole load of different buyers for a whole raft of different media properties that were potentially seen by a maximum of 10,000,000 people (and that's impressions, not real views or clicks), where half the ads were not run until AFTER the election closed, is more powerful than huge spends on concentrated campaigns with focused messages with a limited number of issues run by the U.S political parties.

How are have you guys fallen if your leaders can claim, with any kind of seriousness, that this was 'Russian interference' in the U.S elections. :'(

^*For context, I built small shop and office units decades ago. The spend on this claimed 'Russian interference' would not be enough to pay for the smallest office space. It would buy less than one third of the apartment in which I currently am staying. It'd buy a couple of the cars I drive around in. It is a ridiculous claim! And you are becoming figures of ridicule.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 10, 2017, 08:49:50 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 09, 2017, 09:34:33 PM

The best that one can hope for is for Right-leaning polls to balance Left-leaning polls. RCP has a good model because they make an effort to include both in their average. Sometimes, the results are skewed because of the way that polls age out. The large bounce, centered around 24 September, for example, was the result of a shortfall of Left-leaning polls, not because Trump did anything right in September. Of course, the reverse has happened as well.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

The Washington Examiner cherry-picked specific polls that are not necessarily representative and they avoided reporting on Right-leaning polls altogether. They got the Liberal-media/fake news slant that they were looking for by selecting the data to produce the desired results. There is considerable irony in a news agency complaining about bias whilst they produce it themselves.

Various bounces can also be attributed to things like hurricanes where people tend
to forget about politics for a moment. Even though the Media tried to beat up Trump
about the hurricanes, I don't that many non media did.

I do agree that using the Real Clear Politics average is better than any individual poll.

I know that most on the left consider Fox a right biased polling company, but even their
poll has more Democrats polled than Republicans.

Page 9 of the link to see that more democrats 44% to 36% were polled than GOP on Sept 27th
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2017/09/27/fox-news-poll-september-27-2017.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 10, 2017, 08:54:36 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 10, 2017, 05:02:10 AM

How are have you guys fallen if your leaders can claim, with any kind of seriousness,
that this was 'Russian interference' in the U.S elections. :'(

I would think that IF Russia could interfere in our election and make a difference
that they certainly would. I just can't see how Russia could convince Hillary to
keep a private server or to get investigated by the FBI or how those wacky Kremlin
Gremlins could trick her into not campaigning in Wisconsin. ;D

It's not like the Kremlin went to Israel with tax dollars and political consultants
to try to change the outcome of the election there_1,2.

1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/07/12/ngo-connected-to-obamas-2008-campaign-used-u-s-tax-dollars-trying-to-oust-netanyahu/?utm_term=.b9d043558032
2. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/12/obama-admin-sent-taxpayer-money-oust-netanyahu/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 10, 2017, 09:08:24 AM

The amount of money that Russia spent to influence, or attempt to influence, election 2016 is unimportant. The really important thing is that ANT was very astute to mention the subject of costs because it brought up points that I never considered.

He is more intelligent, knowledgeable, honest, decent, tolerant and fair than Trump. Moreover, he has a better temperament, takes criticism with grace, performs well under pressure and has a great attitude toward women, non-whites and those with alternative orientations. The way that he takes the hopelessly afflicted under his wing brings tears to my aged, nearly sightless eyes. His intellect is absolutely dizzying and I feel honored to be his disciple. By every metric, I believe that ANT would make a far superior presidANT than the Donald and it would be a tragedy if he didn't run for the office in 2020. I'll work on a campaign slogan that will resonate with the ignorant masses because, as I've learned from election 2016, that is the demographic on which we will have to focus.

Edit to add: I have it! Our slogan will be "Blah, blah, blah." It's catchy and has fewer syllables than "Make America great again!" Best of all, it will be easy for ANT to remember because he and his alter ego have already used it more than anyone else on the forum.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 10, 2017, 09:32:23 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 10, 2017, 08:49:50 AM

Various bounces can also be attributed to things like hurricanes where people tend
to forget about politics for a moment.

Yep, all the more reason to have another major war, eh?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 10, 2017, 09:42:50 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 10, 2017, 09:32:23 AM

Yep, all the more reason to have another major war, eh?

Were you around to know I paid both Ant and Manny the losing bets on the Presidential race?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 10, 2017, 09:59:05 AM

^ I wasn't aware of that but I'm not surprised because you have integrity.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 10, 2017, 11:45:41 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 10, 2017, 09:59:05 AM

^ I wasn't aware of that but I'm not surprised because you have integrity.

Had the results gone the other way I'm 100% sure I would have received a PayPal deposit from Stuart. I guess we'll never know if Anteros would have paid up if he had lost.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 10, 2017, 12:02:35 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 10, 2017, 09:42:50 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 10, 2017, 09:32:23 AM
Yep, all the more reason to have another major war, eh?

Were you around to know I paid both Ant and Manny the losing bets on the Presidential race?

And both parties acknowledged bets paid.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 10, 2017, 12:16:07 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 10, 2017, 12:02:35 PM

And both parties acknowledged bets paid.

I wouldn't say it if it wasn't so. I have the cancelled check from Anteros to prove it. Manny will just verify I'm sure.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 10, 2017, 02:32:51 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 10, 2017, 05:02:10 AM

This whole charade about Russian influence through tiny purchases of advertising is simply feeding into the global meme that the U.S is rudderless and powerless.

Of course the U.S is still very powerful, dunno about the rudder though. The perception is becoming rather different.

If the U.S can be influenced to change its elections by virtue of a few thousands dollars spent on ads on social media that point to pages about cats, fake news pages and a few clickbait links on RT or Sputnik then out takeaway is that democracy, such as it ever was in the U.S is now dead.

Secondly, we learn that the U.S intelligence services are useless, incapable of protecting the country against the very threats they are tasked to defend against.

Thirdly, that the American people, as a whole, are highly suggestible if a few thousand (literally) dollars can overturn campaign spending by the major parties in the election of over $1,000,000,000.

At the same time it tells the world that U.S marketers are incompetent buffoons if their campaigns are so poor that a spend of around $100,000^* by a whole load of different buyers for a whole raft of different media properties that were potentially seen by a maximum of 10,000,000 people (and that's impressions, not real views or clicks), where half the ads were not run until AFTER the election closed, is more powerful than huge spends on concentrated campaigns with focused messages with a limited number of issues run by the U.S political parties.

How are have you guys fallen if your leaders can claim, with any kind of seriousness, that this was 'Russian interference' in the U.S elections. :'(

^*For context, I built small shop and office units decades ago. The spend on this claimed 'Russian interference' would not be enough to pay for the smallest office space. It would buy less than one third of the apartment in which I currently am staying. It'd buy a couple of the cars I drive around in. It is a ridiculous claim! And you are becoming figures of ridicule.

Very well written. I agree with your thought that US intelligence must be nearly worthless.

Nice to read an interesting analysis of our election instead of the sub-par whining of a bitter twit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 10, 2017, 03:05:45 PM

Trump challenges Tillerson to an IQ challenge.

My money's on a 0-0 draw.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 10, 2017, 05:00:46 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 10, 2017, 03:05:45 PM

Trump challenges Tillerson to an IQ challenge.

My money's on a 0-0 draw.....

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 10, 2017, 06:17:54 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 10, 2017, 09:32:23 AM

Yep, all the more reason to have another major war, eh?

No, we've had enough wars. (caveat unless somebody attacks us)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 10, 2017, 06:29:31 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 10, 2017, 09:59:05 AM

^ I wasn't aware of that but I'm not surprised because you have integrity.

+1

He paid Slumba too

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 10, 2017, 11:39:22 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 10, 2017, 06:20:55 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 09, 2017, 09:42:36 PM
I'm a bit disappointed that ANT hasn't welcomed me back.

Welcome back!

Thanks, Bill.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 11, 2017, 04:30:18 AM

http://pagesix.com/2017/10/09/insider-claims-bill-clinton-is-heartsick-over-hillarys-book-tour/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_2136701

Quote

"Edward Klein, who has written several books about the Clintons and Kennedys, has a hotly anticipated book, “All Out War: The Plot to Destroy Trump,” out Oct. 30.

In the meantime, he reveals that Hillary Clinton’s finger-pointing book, “What Happened” — which is chock-full of excuses for her shocking election loss to Donald Trump — may be a best seller, but Bill Clinton tossed his copy in the trash can and is heartsick over his wife’s current blame-game book tour.

“Before Hillary sent the manuscript to her publisher, she gave it to Bill to read, and he made major changes with a red pencil,” said a close Clinton family friend. “But she refused to even read his corrections, and he got so furious that he tossed the entire manuscript into the garbage.

“He told her the book made her look bewildered, angry and confused, and that those were poor qualities in a person who aspired to be a world leader,” the friend continued.

“He hated the title because calling it ‘What Happened’ would only make people say, ‘You lost.’ He urged her to postpone the pub date and rewrite the book, but she yelled at him and said, ‘The book is finished and that’s how it’s going to be published.’ ”

Since their fight last summer over the book, Bill’s negative feelings about Hillary’s memoir have grown even more intense as she’s used her book tour to blame her loss on Russian hackers, former FBI Director James Comey and women who didn’t vote for her.

Klein writes in his upcoming book that Bill warned Hillary a month before the election that she was losing and that she needed to campaign in the Rust Belt states.

“She told him he was delusional,” Klein writes.

“Bill’s criticism — and what Hillary sees as his lack of sympathy — has driven a wedge between them,” the friend said. “They haven’t been speaking for months. They’ve been communicating through friends and lawyers.”

“Ed is a sad man,” a spokesman for Hillary said. “And a pathetic liar,” added Bill’s rep.

Bill with all his faults and weaknesses is a shrewd pragmatic politician. Arrogance blinds people to the possibility of miscalculation and failure. Could the same thing be said of some people here?

Welcome back Tom.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 11, 2017, 09:30:04 AM

AvhDb, this is an anonymous forum. Nobody owes you or anyone else here an explanation of their identity, handle, or choice of avatar.

Obviously, you are free to guess what you want and, within the rules of the forum as interpreted by the moderators, say what you want. Confederate, whoever he might be, owes you nothing. There's a rule on the forum about having more than one identity and I am sure that the management are aware of that rule and implement it in a manner that best serves the board and community.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 11, 2017, 03:21:21 PM

Lets move on.

We will soon begin to sound like a bunch of teenage girls. Confederate, it is too conveinyent to hide under the mantra of a relative, but keep on trying. Tom is quite correct with regards to character (or lack there of), Andrew is also correct this is an anonymous forum, we are judged by our posts.

Shakes paid his bets so no issue there.

I say back to the topic at hand, please.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 12, 2017, 09:52:13 AM

President Trump uses executive action to unwind the unaffordable "Affordable Care Act".

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare/trump-says-hes-likely-to-sign-healthcare-order-this-week-idUSKBN1CF2CK

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 12, 2017, 10:15:32 AM

McConnell Scrambles To Soothe Conservative Anger Over Slow Judicial Confirmations

According to the Judicial Conference of the United States, 149 vacancies
currently exist in the federal courts. President Donald Trump has named
50 judicial nominees since taking office, submitting a slate of approximately
10 candidates every month. Thus far, the Senate has confirmed just seven,
including Justice Neil Gorsuch.
There is more read about it here
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/10/mcconnell-scrambles-to-soothe-conservative-anger-over-slow-judicial-confirmations/

McConnell tries to defuse conservative anger over stalled judicial nominations

Separately, the Conservative Action Project, a coalition spanning from
former Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) to President Ronald Reagan’s attorney
general Edwin Meese, is urging McConnell to stop allowing the chamber
to bolt for the weekend on Thursday afternoons and to concentrate on
confirming nominees at the end of every week. In a memo signed by
more than 100 conservative activists, the group calls for McConnell to “IMMEDIATELY schedule committee and floor action every Thursday
and Friday for the foreseeable future” to fill out the executive branch
and judicial branch.

read the entire story here
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/09/senate-judicial-confirmations-ad-buy-conservatives-243606

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 12, 2017, 10:24:37 AM

Pharmacist hints some members of Congress have Alzheimer’s

http://nypost.com/2017/10/11/pharmacist-hints-some-congress-members-have-alzheimers/

D.C. pharmacist serving Congress says some members 'might not even remember what happened yesterday'
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pharmacist-congress-suggests-members-alzheimer-article-1.3557342

(https://typeset-beta.imgix.net/rehost%2F2016%2F9%2F13%2F95535a08-c22a-43f6-99df-e6ead0e8785b.jpg)

Sorry, I couldn't help posting that photo

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 12, 2017, 11:26:33 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 12, 2017, 10:24:37 AM

Pharmacist hints some members of Congress have Alzheimer’s

http://nypost.com/2017/10/11/pharmacist-hints-some-congress-members-have-alzheimers/

D.C. pharmacist serving Congress says some members 'might not even remember what happened yesterday'
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pharmacist-congress-suggests-members-alzheimer-article-1.3557342

(https://typeset-beta.imgix.net/rehost%2F2016%2F9%2F13%2F95535a08-c22a-43f6-99df-e6ead0e8785b.jpg)

Sorry, I couldn't help posting that photo

Don't be sorry! tiphat :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 12, 2017, 01:26:44 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 11, 2017, 03:21:21 PM

Lets move on.

. . . . .

I say back to the topic at hand, please.

Av makes an excellent point. Let us return to the topic of this thread: President Trump.

In order to facilitate that, I have turfed a bunch of the more recent off-topic posts about each other. Carry on.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 12, 2017, 02:29:54 PM

A discussion of Donald Trump would be incomplete without mentioning sociopathy (aka antisocial-personality disorder). This affliction covers a broad spectrum and manifests itself differently at different intelligence levels. Not only are stupid sociopaths indifferent to risk, they aren't even aware of it until after the fact. Even then, it doesn't matter to them because they are indifferent to consequences also. It is very ill advised to do business with, to make wagers with or to elect such a person to public office because they will lie even if there is little to be gained and they think that it is normal; it's their nature and there is nothing to be done about it.

Sociopaths of average intelligence are different; they use their modest intellects to hone their persona as well as their manipulative and deceptive skills. (Think Mike Pence.) Moreover, they are more cognizant of risk and do their best to mitigate it, so long as it doesn't conflict with their goals. Such people usually pass as being normal because they put up a pretty good facade that only fails under intense scrutiny. I don't believe that any of our members fall into this category.

Intelligent sociopaths are a completely different animal. They have the same lack of moral compass, honesty, guilt and empathy as the rest but they usually do the right thing because it is a better long-term strategy. They often behave with integrity only because they are better planners than the others and are intelligent enough to know that they have more to gain in the long run. One might say that they do the right thing for the wrong reasons; nonetheless, they do the right thing and often have greater apparent integrity than neurotypicals. Even a professional would have difficulty diagnosing such a person and it probably wouldn't matter because people in this group are rarely dangerous.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 12, 2017, 03:18:17 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 12, 2017, 02:29:54 PM

A discussion of Donald Trump would be incomplete without mentioning sociopathy (aka antisocial-personality disorder). This affliction covers a broad spectrum and manifests itself differently at different intelligence levels. Not only are stupid sociopaths indifferent to risk, they aren't even aware of it until after the fact. Even then, it doesn't matter to them because they are indifferent to consequences also. It is very ill advised to do business with, to make wagers with or to elect such a person to public office because they will lie even if there is little to be gained and they think that it is normal; it's their nature and there is nothing to be done about it.

Sociopaths of average intelligence are different; they use their modest intellects to hone their persona as well as their manipulative and deceptive skills. (Think Mike Pence.) Moreover, they are more cognizant of risk and do their best to mitigate it, so long as it doesn't conflict with their goals. Such people usually pass as being normal because they put up a pretty good facade that only fails under intense scrutiny. I don't believe that any of our members fall into this category.

Intelligent sociopaths are a completely different animal. They have the same lack of moral compass, honesty, guilt and empathy as the rest but they usually do the right thing because it is a better long-term strategy. They often behave with integrity only because they are better planners than the others and are intelligent enough to know that they have more to gain in the long run. One might say that they do the right thing for the wrong reasons; nonetheless, they do the right thing and often have greater apparent integrity than neurotypicals. Even a professional would have difficulty diagnosing such a person and it probably wouldn't matter because people in this group are rarely dangerous.

Trump is moron, I'm sorry, I've tried to analyse and see all this wonderment he's supposed to possess but I've fallen back on my gut feelings.

The guy should not be allowed to breed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 12, 2017, 03:46:03 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 12, 2017, 03:18:17 PM

Trump is moron, I'm sorry, I've tried to analyse and see all this wonderment he's supposed to possess but I've fallen back on my gut feelings.

The guy should not be allowed to breed.

Ste, I am sorry you are to late, his offspring are out and about. Not as bad as a fellow student, P. Brant's sproglets though.

Is he a moron, not really, has he made numerous bad choices yes absolutely. Unless he turns things around in the 12 to 18 months he will be a one term president. Little will have changed in D.C., not because of Trump but rather the apparatus or swamp is to big for a single person to alter the course.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on October 12, 2017, 04:57:57 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 12, 2017, 03:18:17 PM

Trump is moron, I'm sorry, I've tried to analyse and see all this wonderment he's supposed to possess but I've fallen back on my gut feelings.

Me too. The moment he went a full 180 back on his word and started raining bombs on Syria I was off the Trump train. Now he is threatening North Korea by warmongering on Twitter, the man is an idiot.

An idiot the Americans may even be daft enough to vote for again.

Not that there was any choice, the bent Hillary woman would have been worse and started a war or two by now. Trump is full of bluster and shite, and Assad, Putin, Jinping and Kim know it. Keep up the de-dollarisation, as is gathering speed now and watch the US world influence slowly decline.

Removing the US economic influence by dumping the dollars before Trump starts a war is the only way to curb the US war machine as I wrote several years ago.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 12, 2017, 05:12:54 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2017, 04:57:57 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 12, 2017, 03:18:17 PM
Trump is moron, I'm sorry, I've tried to analyse and see all this wonderment he's supposed to possess but I've fallen back on my gut feelings.

Me too. The moment he went a full 180 back on his word and started raining bombs on Syria I was off the Trump train. Now he is threatening North Korea by warmongering on Twitter, the man is an idiot.

An idiot the Americans may even be daft enough to vote for again.

Not that there was any choice, the bent Hillary woman would have been worse and started a war or two by now. Trump is full of bluster and shite, and Assad, Putin, Jinping and Kim know it. Keep up the de-dollarisation, as is gathering speed now and watch the US world influence slowly decline.

Removing the US economic influence by dumping the dollars before Trump starts a war is the only way to curb the US war machine as I wrote several years ago.

I believe it's all bluster to keep the "Military Industrial Complex" happy. One thing you understand crystal clear is that Hillary would have already started a war or two, in order to please her benefactors and puppet masters.

Trump is actually doing many good things for the US economy which is reflected in the market being up by literally two trillion dollars. Keep in mind the "Russian collusion" scam was thought up by Hillary and her manager Podesta the day after she lost; as a major deflection to keep the spotlight off of her major crimes (too many to list but her foundation was pay for play, her and Bill stole Billions of dollars from starving people in Haiti, Bill made numerous trips to Pedophile island of Epstein, her running illegal weapons from Libya to Syria, her arming Al Queda and ISIS members in Syria, etc.)

There's never been a time in the history of the USA when a President was under simultaneous attack by the media and "deep state" to the degree Trump has. He's a clever man and seen what happened to JFK when JFK went against the CIA wishes for Operation Northwoods, etc.

So if he's throwing them some red meat to stay alive who could legitimately blame him? Gorsuch was an outstanding choice for the Supreme Court.

Give him some time. Hopefully you'll take into consideration the kind of psychopaths there are in the MIC and give the man time to work things out. :coffeeread:

PS. I'm all for de-dollarization if it stops the USA from the endless policing of the world and endless wars. Russia going into Syria turned out to be very good for longer term world peace. What did you call it? Multi-polar? Fine by myself and many other Americans tired of these wars.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 12, 2017, 06:28:42 PM

'Tremendous competition': Trump signs executive order relaxing healthcare rules

https://www.rt.com/usa/406498-trump-healthcare-executive-order/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 12, 2017, 07:43:25 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2017, 04:57:57 PM

Me too. The moment he went a full 180 back on his word and started raining bombs on Syria I was off the Trump train.

He gave Assad a "Code Red" on using banned weapons - the very ones he "didn't have" or later was supposed to have "turned over to the Russians". :coffeeread:

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2017, 04:57:57 PM

Now he is threatening North Korea by warmongering on Twitter, the man is an idiot.

I would take a different tack with the NoKos. They want attention and I would deny it to them. If they get a nuke, so what? It's got a 50-50 shot of blowing up on the launch pad from what I've seen of their stuff, and if they actually manage to nuke some unfortunate city in America, then the life expectancy of their *entire country* drops to about 15 minutes, after which Kim Jong Dumb won't be anyone's problem anymore.

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2017, 04:57:57 PM

An idiot the Americans may even be daft enough to vote for again.

Depends on who the Dems nominate of course. Gov Cuomo of New York WILL be running - you heard it here first - which is why he was scampering down to fawn all over the PRs. There will be others. Corey Booker, the Crazy Lady in Massachusetts, etc.

If Trump manages the economy well (to the extent that a president can) AND doesn't get us involved in any new stupid wars, then he can run as the peace and prosperity candidate.

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2017, 04:57:57 PM

Not that there was any choice, the bent Hillary woman would have been worse and started a war or two by now.

Exactly. Trump was supposed to be the only candidate that she could beat.

Turns out that that count was off, by one. :chuckle:

Anyway, if Trump cuts taxes, handles the economy well and keeps appointing originalist judges, then cool by me. Whoever the Dems put up will be all about coddling weirdos and losers. Eff that.

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2017, 04:57:57 PM

Removing the US economic influence by dumping the dollars before Trump starts a war is the only way to curb the US war machine as I wrote several years ago.

Europeans do not understand Hard Power and that's why the EU is always going to be the "little brother".

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 12, 2017, 08:10:28 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 12, 2017, 07:43:25 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2017, 04:57:57 PM
Me too. The moment he went a full 180 back on his word and started raining bombs on Syria I was off the Trump train.

He gave Assad a "Code Red" on using banned weapons - the very ones he "didn't have" or later was supposed to have "turned over to the Russians". :coffeeread:

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2017, 04:57:57 PM
Now he is threatening North Korea by warmongering on Twitter, the man is an idiot.

I would take a different tack with the NoKos. They want attention and I would deny it to them. If they get a nuke, so what? It's got a 50-50 shot of blowing up on the launch pad from what I've seen of their stuff, and if they actually manage to nuke some unfortunate city in America, then the life expectancy of their *entire country* drops to about 15 minutes, after which Kim Jong Dumb won't be anyone's problem anymore.

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2017, 04:57:57 PM
An idiot the Americans may even be daft enough to vote for again.

Depends on who the Dems nominate of course. Gov Cuomo of New York WILL be running - you heard it here first - which is why he was scampering down to fawn all over the PRs. There will be others. Corey Booker, the Crazy Lady in Massachusetts, etc.

If Trump manages the economy well (to the extent that a president can) AND doesn't get us involved in any new stupid wars, then he can run as the peace and prosperity candidate.

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2017, 04:57:57 PM
Not that there was any choice, the bent Hillary woman would have been worse and started a war or two by now.

Exactly. Trump was supposed to be the only candidate that she could beat.

Turns out that that count was off, by one. :chuckle:

Anyway, if Trump cuts taxes, handles the economy well and keeps appointing originalist judges, then cool by me. Whoever the Dems put up will be all about coddling weirdos and losers. Eff that.

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2017, 04:57:57 PM
Removing the US economic influence by dumping the dollars before Trump starts a war is the only way to curb the US war machine as I wrote several years ago.

Europeans do not understand Hard Power and that's why the EU is always going to be the "little brother".

B/B

Damn, when I read your posts I go back to images of an 18 year old boy full of testosterone and ready to f&$k the enemy up big time! :laugh:

That gung-ho hawkish cockiness lasted for a couple decades. Especially liked the part about the Democratic candidate coddling weirdo's and losers. Carefull, you might offend couple snowflakes here. Eff that! :ROFL:

B/B for Prez 2020! But only if Trump decides not to run. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 12, 2017, 08:56:33 PM

Quote from: Manny on October 12, 2017, 04:57:57 PM

Now he is threatening North Korea by warmongering on Twitter, the man is an idiot.

Indeed, threatening people on social media is a marker of a low-intelligence sociopath and his lies are so blatant that only another idiot would believe them. Ummm... we are discussing Trump now, right?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 12, 2017, 09:09:02 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 12, 2017, 07:43:25 PM

Anyway, if Trump cuts taxes...

The picture changes if he only cuts taxes for the wealthy and not for some poor, illiterate slob who went to Juanita High School and didn't study any further. "Handling the economy" only works if there is a vast market for consumer products, not just a handful of wealthy customers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 12, 2017, 09:22:44 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 12, 2017, 08:56:33 PM

Ummm... we are discussing Trump now, right?

We'd better be.

Quote from: TomT on October 12, 2017, 09:09:02 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 12, 2017, 07:43:25 PM
Anyway, if Trump cuts taxes...

The picture changes if he only cuts taxes for the wealthy and not for some poor, illiterate slob who went to Juanita High School and didn't study any further. "Handling the economy" only works if there is a vast market for consumer products, not just a handful of wealthy customers.

I suspect that "tax reform" will look different once it comes out of Congress. As a conservative resident of a blue state, I am not at all interested in losing the deduction for state income tax...I already pay the AMT which is somehow the acronym for "Alternative Minimum Screwjob"

We'll see what the economy looks like in a couple of years - a lot of it just is what it is; the government basically has 2-3 tools to deal with it (spending, taxing and interest rates). Historically, tax cuts tend to juice the economy, but we'll see what they do.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 12, 2017, 09:25:57 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 12, 2017, 09:22:44 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 12, 2017, 08:56:33 PM
Ummm... we are discussing Trump now, right?
We'd better be.

It doesn't matter; my comment applies either way.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 12, 2017, 09:26:50 PM

It's very early yet in the Trump presidency to say he is a war monger.
Obama made a mess of world affairs, and cleaning up the mess ain't gonna happen without the aid of the military.
As for North Korea Bill Clinton and those in office after failure to deal with north Korea properly has placed the burden on president Trump.
Trump has had good meetings with The Russian and Chinese president, so I expect once president Trump meets in a few weeks with the Chinese president, the north Korean problem will be soon taken care of.

I think Obama was far more eager to take military action and bomb happy.

Obama Promised to End America’s Wars—Has He?

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/03/obama-doctrine-wars-numbers/474531/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 12, 2017, 09:36:33 PM

It's not too early in the presidency to know that he is a moron, and a dangerous moron at that. The fool is good for nothing but lying, boasting, posting asinine BS and whining about how unfairly that he is being treated.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 12, 2017, 09:45:36 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 12, 2017, 09:36:33 PM

It's not too early in the presidency to know that he is a moron, and a dangerous moron at that. The fool is good for nothing but lying, boasting, posting asinine BS and whining about how unfairly that he is being treated.

I really do enjoy being on the other side where the grass is much greener. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 12, 2017, 10:36:32 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 12, 2017, 09:36:33 PM

It's not too early in the presidency to know that he is a moron, and a dangerous moron at that. The fool is good for nothing but lying, boasting, posting asinine BS and whining about how unfairly that he is being treated.

[Edited by B.B.: delete derog.]

You voted for a warmongering psychopath who became enraged and threw a glass full of water at a producer when M. Lauer dared to ask a tough question. A psychopath with more than 50 dead bodies to her credit. A psychopath who boasted about murdering the President of Libya and was caught red handed illegally running weapons. A woman leaching taxpayer money for decades with nothing but failure to show for it. A career criminal who couldn't build anything out of Lego's.

She was even fed questions to a debate! She had all the media, Obama wiretapping Manafort for her, pathetic whiney liberals like you fawning all over her, a billion dollars spent and she LOST to that "moron" Trump! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 12, 2017, 10:46:44 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 12, 2017, 09:45:36 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 12, 2017, 09:36:33 PM
It's not too early in the presidency to know that he is a moron, and a dangerous moron at that. The fool is good for nothing but lying, boasting, posting asinine BS and whining about how unfairly that he is being treated.

I really do enjoy being on the other side where the grass is much greener. :)

As you can easily see Trump's plan to make liberal heads explode by continuing to tweet is working. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 12, 2017, 10:54:04 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 12, 2017, 09:25:57 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 12, 2017, 09:22:44 PM
Quote from: TomT on October 12, 2017, 08:56:33 PM
Ummm... we are discussing Trump now, right?
We'd better be.

It doesn't matter; my comment applies either way.

Should I and the other mods take this as your admission?

The topic is President Trump, not other members.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 13, 2017, 04:25:32 AM

http://www.yahoo.com/news/laying-hands-trump-needs-support-calls-pastors-call-090022153.html

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Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 13, 2017, 07:03:10 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 12, 2017, 09:09:02 PM

The picture changes if he only cuts taxes for the wealthy and not for some poor, illiterate slob who went to Juanita High School and didn't study any further. "Handling the economy" only works if there is a vast market for consumer products, not just a handful of wealthy customers.

The US economy is more dynamic than boosting spending in consumer
goods. One guy will spend the money at the local strip club and another
will use the money to pay down his student loans another will use it to
increase the amount he puts in his 401K each month. The effect of an
across the board tax cut puts more money into each persons pocket
and boosts the economy dynamically.

It's just like the The Money Multiplier Effect where a small increase
in money multiplies many times over. The money spent at the strip club
by Joe Sixpack gets spent again by the strippers on cigarettes and booze
then the cigarette and booze distributors spend the money they get from
the strippers and it's a big dynamic expanding circle the same dollar gets
spent again, and again and again.
http://study.com/academy/lesson/money-and-multiplier-effect-formula-and-reserve-ratio.html

There hasn't been a tax cut just for the wealthy since the federal income
tax was enacted in 1913. The cuts have been across the board and the
lower tax rates have actually increased revenue to the treasury not
decreased it.

From the 1920's the tax rates were reduced in 1921, 1924, and 1926.
They eventually got the top tax rate down to 24%.
(https://www.cato.org/images/pubs/commentary/030304-1.gif)

JFK enacted (Johnson signed it because JFK was killed) a tax cut in
1964 across the board lowering tax rates yet increasing tax revenues.

Reagan did the same in the 1980's and again the lower taxes actually
generated more revenue for the treasury while significantly boosting
the economy.

The tax cuts are especially important if the fed decides to suck out some
of the money that they pumped into the economy during the Obama slow
growth recovery.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 13, 2017, 07:58:57 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 12, 2017, 09:22:44 PM

I suspect that "tax reform" will look different once it comes out of Congress. As a conservative resident of a blue state, I am not at all interested in losing the deduction for state income tax...I already pay the AMT which is somehow the acronym for "Alternative Minimum Screwjob"

We'll see what the economy looks like in a couple of years - a lot of it just is what it is; the government basically has 2-3 tools to deal with it (spending, taxing and interest rates). Historically, tax cuts tend to juice the economy, but we'll see what they do.

I suspect when it's all said and done guys like me who make $250,000 a year will get screwed. Eliminating deductions and only raising standard deductions to $12,000 single will really screw me. I agree, the AMT is a socialist concept that makes sure an entity pays tax even if he follows the existing rules on acceptable deductions.

How about we eliminate the Earned Income Credit? That brilliant concept has cost the US taxpayer BILLIONS in waste fraud and abuse since it's inception.

Wouldn't feel too bad about adding a 10% tax on company CEO's or movie actors who make a salary or bonus in excess of $5 million a year. The income of Managers of Hedge Funds should be taxed at the appropriate income tax rate instead of the carried interest capital gains tax rate.

B.B. I think deductions for state and local taxes should probably be capped. Anything over a set amount is disallowed as a deduction. Off the top of may head I'd suggest 4% for state income, 1% for community education and 1% for local income tax. Why should the rest of US taxpayers subsidize the out of control spending habits of certain shall we say "progressive" states and cities?

Let's see what the Republicans come up with when the draft proposals are released by the end of the month.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 13, 2017, 08:01:58 AM

Bill what you're explaining is called the velocity of money which is taught in Econ 101 at University.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 13, 2017, 08:16:56 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 13, 2017, 08:01:58 AM

Bill what you're explaining is called the velocity of money which is taught in Econ 101 at University.

Yes, it is. The money multiplier is about how small changes in the banking reserve
requirement change the amount of money in the economy. I had a brain fart plain
and simple.

I was trying to tie it all together sitting in an Airbnb near Aspen, but that's not an
excuse, I have no excuse.

The fact remains that lowering taxes boosts the economy and increases not decreases
revenue to the treasury. No liberal will ever admit it regardless of the amount of proof
provided. It's blasphemous to a liberal to look at the economic facts.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 13, 2017, 08:22:24 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 13, 2017, 07:58:57 AM

I suspect when it's all said and done guys like me who make $250,000 a year will get screwed. Eliminating deductions and only raising standard deductions to $12,000 single will really screw me. I agree, the AMT is a socialist concept that makes sure an entity pays tax even if he follows the existing rules on acceptable deductions.

Let's see what the Republicans come up with when the draft proposals are released by the end of the month.

My guess is that they will do something totally stupid, make it temporary and then
the fed will decide to sell off all their bonds and put the economy into the tank.
Then the dems will blame the stupid GOP tax cuts and forever win the argument
that tax cuts hurts the economy.

The GOP will get creamed in the upcoming election and they will blame it on Trump
instead of their own stupidity. I really, really, really hope that I'm wrong.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on October 13, 2017, 08:43:47 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 13, 2017, 07:03:10 AM

Reagan did the same in the 1980's and again the lower taxes actually
generated more revenue for the treasury while significantly boosting
the economy.

Don't forget that the deficit doubled under Reagan (like Bush jr. and Obama)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 13, 2017, 09:28:11 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 12, 2017, 10:54:04 PM

Should I and the other mods take this as your admission?

The topic is President Trump, not other members.

B/B

Gosh, I wonder what Bob Corker meant when he tweeted that the White House had become "... an adult day center..."

Perhaps Rex Tillerson called Trump a moron because he thought that his audience was too obtuse to catch his drift if he was more subtle.

Some would like to believe that Donald Trump is not the moron, the liar and the sociopath-in-Pampers that he pretends to be, but rather a clever, calculating manipulator of the ignorant masses. Ironically, there are better than even odds that those who believe that are part of the ignorant masses.

When advised that he could use the report-to-moderator button, a famous alleged sex tourist once replied: "... that's for pussies." If he was right, then you and the other mods are pussy enablers. If playing that role appeals to you, I have no problem with it. One thing that you can bet on is that I won't be skating back in under a new public name and lying about it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 13, 2017, 10:04:24 AM

It does not get much richer than this.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/918851711959293952

Really some one should show D. Trump a map and explain which parts of the globe are American.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 13, 2017, 10:39:28 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 13, 2017, 10:04:24 AM

It does not get much richer than this.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/918851711959293952

Really some one should show D. Trump a map and explain which parts of the globe are American.

I'm pretty sure that he's sleep deprived. Wouldn't you agree? :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 13, 2017, 10:45:41 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 13, 2017, 10:39:28 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 13, 2017, 10:04:24 AM
It does not get much richer than this.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/918851711959293952

Really some one should show D. Trump a map and explain which parts of the globe are American.

I'm pretty sure that he's sleep deprived. Wouldn't you agree? :)

No, I do not agree. He is just stupid. Calling him a moron is an an insult to morons.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 13, 2017, 11:11:51 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 13, 2017, 10:39:28 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 13, 2017, 10:04:24 AM
It does not get much richer than this.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/918851711959293952

Really some one should show D. Trump a map and explain which parts of the globe are American.

I'm pretty sure that he's sleep deprived. Wouldn't you agree? :)

Brain-cell deprived more like...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 13, 2017, 12:38:30 PM

Brilliant bit of Executive Action today by Trump.

On the advice of the Justice Department, he ended the illegal and unconstitutional subsidies to insurance companies that Obama "authorized" by Executive Order to keep Obamacare from imploding too quickly saving the US taxpayers over $7 Billion per year.

I'm assuming the readers are smart enough to have figured out that Obamacare was designed to implode. It was just a Democrat designed legislative "half-way house" for full blown socialized medicine and a single payer system?

I don't think Trump is anywhere as dumb as most in the progressive left believe he is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 13, 2017, 12:48:14 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 13, 2017, 10:04:24 AM

It does not get much richer than this.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/918851711959293952

Really some one should show D. Trump a map and explain which parts of the globe are American.

So he called a Governor a President. Big woop.

Obama said he'd visited all 57 states

President's sometimes make harmless speaking errors. Get over it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 13, 2017, 12:51:13 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 13, 2017, 12:38:30 PM

Brilliant bit of Executive Action today by Trump.

On the advice of the Justice Department, he ended the illegal and unconstitutional subsidies to insurance companies that Obama "authorized" by Executive Order to keep Obamacare from imploding too quickly.

I'm assuming the readers are smart enough to have figured out that Obamacare was designed to implode. It was just a Democrat designed legislative "half-way house" for full blown socialized medicine and a single payer system?

I don't think Trump is anywhere as dumb as most in the progressive left believe he is.

I posted about this a couple of days ago. And why did you end a statement above with a question mark?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 13, 2017, 12:58:35 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 13, 2017, 12:48:14 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 13, 2017, 10:04:24 AM
It does not get much richer than this.

https://twitter.com/i/moments/918851711959293952

Really some one should show D. Trump a map and explain which parts of the globe are American.

So he called a Governor a President. Big woop.

Obama said he'd visited all 57 states

President's sometimes make harmless speaking errors. Get over it.

Like I said, sleep deprived. And you're correct: big whoop. This is the usual finger pointing based on politics.

For example we still haven't heard a peep out of the usual suspect in regards to serial harrasser and alleged rapist but major DNC contributor Harvey Weinstein.

Allegations of rape, harassment and pedophilia? Obstruction of Justice? No problem! That was Bill Clinton and his "wife" Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 13, 2017, 01:03:17 PM

You don't accumulate a few billion dollars by being stupid! You surround yourself with the best and brightest minds then use their talents to complete the task at hand.
President Trump may have the final decision, but you can be assured he has great advisory team carefully planning every step.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 13, 2017, 01:18:31 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 13, 2017, 12:51:13 PM

I posted about this a couple of days ago. And why did you end a statement above with a question mark?

Since he just took this action this morning, I don't think you posted about it a couple of days ago.

It was a typo.

I am a bit worried about his previous Executive Action that allows the crossing of state lines for the sale of insurance. We tried that once before and problems arouse because we didn't specify which state insurance regulator body was responsible for guaranteeing the performance of insurance contract by insurance companies when state lines were crossed in the sales process. So long as we cover that technicality it should be a good thing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 13, 2017, 01:35:57 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 13, 2017, 01:18:31 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 13, 2017, 12:51:13 PM
I posted about this a couple of days ago. And why did you end a statement above with a question mark?
Since he just took this action this morning, I don't think you posted about it a couple of days ago.

If the president can make things up as he goes, it's only fair that his supporters can do the same.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 13, 2017, 01:37:21 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 12, 2017, 09:52:13 AM

President Trump uses executive action to unwind the unaffordable "Affordable Care Act".

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare/trump-says-hes-likely-to-sign-healthcare-order-this-week-idUSKBN1CF2CK

Wake up and smell the coffee, Shakespeare.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 13, 2017, 01:38:37 PM

We have seen how well nuclear deals worked with North Korea, so why continue with Iran?

Trump Decertifies Iran Nuclear Deal

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/819560?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1758208_10132017&s=al&dkt_nbr=010102u6spoy&section=Newsfront&keywords=trump-iran-nuclear&year=2017&month=10&date=13&id=819560&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 13, 2017, 01:50:39 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 13, 2017, 01:03:17 PM

You don't accumulate a few billion dollars by being stupid! You surround yourself with the best and brightest minds then use their talents to complete the task at hand.
President Trump may have the final decision, but you can be assured he has great advisory team carefully planning every step.

His father made the money, he's spunked a lot of it with poor business deals and let's not forget, bankruptcies.

He only did an undergrad degree at Wharton not the MBA it's famed for, so let's not get carried away.

I could forgive all that, if he showed any nous for the job in hand (he doesn't), and he wasn't so ignorant.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 13, 2017, 01:54:51 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 13, 2017, 01:37:21 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 12, 2017, 09:52:13 AM
President Trump uses executive action to unwind the unaffordable "Affordable Care Act".

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare/trump-says-hes-likely-to-sign-healthcare-order-this-week-idUSKBN1CF2CK

Wake up and smell the coffee, Shakespeare.

Read your own headline. "Likely To Sign"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 13, 2017, 02:51:19 PM

^ For some, "likely to sign" is synonymous with "signed" because tense and adverbs are complicated. I'm surprised that I haven't seen any news about Trump cutting funding for the Reading-Is-Fundamental programs. After all, we need a wall, not literacy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 13, 2017, 03:35:12 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 13, 2017, 01:50:39 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 13, 2017, 01:03:17 PM
You don't accumulate a few billion dollars by being stupid! You surround yourself with the best and brightest minds then use their talents to complete the task at hand.
President Trump may have the final decision, but you can be assured he has great advisory team carefully planning every step.

His father made the money, he's spunked a lot of it with poor business deals and let's not forget, bankruptcies.

He only did an undergrad degree at Wharton not the MBA it's famed for, so let's not get carried away.

I could forgive all that, if he showed any nous for the job in hand (he doesn't), and he wasn't so ignorant.

Didn't have time to do a complete search but in 1999 Fred Trump's worth was 250- 300 million dollars. That's a far cry from Donald Trump's current net worth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 13, 2017, 03:41:38 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 13, 2017, 03:35:12 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 13, 2017, 01:50:39 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on October 13, 2017, 01:03:17 PM
You don't accumulate a few billion dollars by being stupid! You surround yourself with the best and brightest minds then use their talents to complete the task at hand.
President Trump may have the final decision, but you can be assured he has great advisory team carefully planning every step.

His father made the money, he's spunked a lot of it with poor business deals and let's not forget, bankruptcies.

He only did an undergrad degree at Wharton not the MBA it's famed for, so let's not get carried away.

I could forgive all that, if he showed any nous for the job in hand (he doesn't), and he wasn't so ignorant.

Didn't have time to do a complete search but in 1999 Fred Trump's worth was 250- 300 million dollars. That's a far cry from Donald Trump's current net worth.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/why-donald-trump-isn-t-the-successful-businessman-he-claims-to-be-us-elections-republican-politics-7173666.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 13, 2017, 04:25:47 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 13, 2017, 01:54:51 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 13, 2017, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 12, 2017, 09:52:13 AM
President Trump uses executive action to unwind the unaffordable "Affordable Care Act".

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare/trump-says-hes-likely-to-sign-healthcare-order-this-week-idUSKBN1CF2CK

Wake up and smell the coffee, Shakespeare.

Read your own headline. "Likely To Sign"

What do you want? It was in the works and he signed it. It's SOP to pique the interest of the press prior to the actual signing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on October 13, 2017, 04:29:54 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 13, 2017, 01:50:39 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 13, 2017, 01:03:17 PM
You don't accumulate a few billion dollars by being stupid! You surround yourself with the best and brightest minds then use their talents to complete the task at hand.
President Trump may have the final decision, but you can be assured he has great advisory team carefully planning every step.

His father made the money, he's spunked a lot of it with poor business deals and let's not forget, bankruptcies.

He only did an undergrad degree at Wharton not the MBA it's famed for, so let's not get carried away.

I could forgive all that, if he showed any nous for the job in hand (he doesn't), and he wasn't so ignorant.

Donald Trump was one a number of children who completed to be head of the family business. He won out. The family business grew under Donald Trump's leadership and became many times what it was while much of the money was still in his father name. The business has grown since then also not as you suggest he lost much of the money. This business is still growing and is of concern in USA politics as whether he is using his office to grow this business. Yes he did have some bankruptcies but he was smart enough to have his family business divided up into many corporations so he could bankrupt a loser and not hurt the rest of the business. I grew up in Florida knew the Trump name long before the reality show. He had a reputation for being a big mouth, show off and cruel business man. I never thought he had a chance to really become president. I never heard any body call him dumb before you nor suggest that he has lost money during most of his life. I wish he could be a more polished in his behavior. He just ran a platform that no one else would dare to do to bring some degree of nationalism back to the USA.

In office I have been surprised by how much he has show compassion for a number of women's issues including immunization of children and leave near child birth. If a good national health care plan got to Donald's desk it would likely pass. One of the complaint the republicans have with him he is part democrat.

Donald is wanting to pass the dreamer plan where illegal aliens who enter the country as a child would be able to stay indefinitely when they completed college. He is hoping to give them this in exchange for funding for the wall. He would not be suggesting this if he did not want dreamers also. The Dems could get much passed that could never get thru congress when Obama was president that they could trade for now if they were not so busy creating fake news.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 13, 2017, 04:33:52 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on October 13, 2017, 04:29:54 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 13, 2017, 01:50:39 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on October 13, 2017, 01:03:17 PM
You don't accumulate a few billion dollars by being stupid! You surround yourself with the best and brightest minds then use their talents to complete the task at hand.
President Trump may have the final decision, but you can be assured he has great advisory team carefully planning every step.

His father made the money, he's spunked a lot of it with poor business deals and let's not forget, bankruptcies.

He only did an undergrad degree at Wharton not the MBA it's famed for, so let's not get carried away.

I could forgive all that, if he showed any nous for the job in hand (he doesn't), and he wasn't so ignorant.

You ought get a job for RT news. This is exactly what they do.

Donald Trump was one a number of children who completed to be head of the family business. He won out. The family business grew under Donald Trump's leadership and became many times what it was while much of the money was still in his father name. The business has grown since then also not as you suggest he lost much of the money. This business is still growing and is of concern in USA politics as whether he is using his office to grow this business. Yes he did have some bankruptcies but he was smart enough to have his family business divided up into many corporations so he could bankrupt a loser and not hurt the rest of the business. I grew up in Florida knew the Trump name long before the reality show. He had a reputation for being a big mouth, show off and cruel business man. I never thought he had a chance to really become president. I never heard any body call him dumb before you nor suggest that he has lost money during most of his life. I wish he could be a more polished in his behavior. He just ran a platform that no one else would dare to do to bring some degree of nationalism back to the USA.

In office I have been surprised by how much he has show compassion for a number of women's issues including immunization of children and leave near child birth. If a good national health care plan got to Donald's desk it would likely pass. One of the complaint the republicans have with him he is part democrat.

Donald is wanting to pass the dreamer plan where illegal aliens who enter the country as a child would be able to stay indefinitely when they completed college. He is hoping to give them this in exchange for funding for the wall. He would not be suggesting this if he did not want dreamers also. The Dems could get much passed that could never get thru congress when Obama was president that they could trade for now if they were not so busy creating fake news.

Well we differ, thats fine.

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 13, 2017, 04:43:09 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 13, 2017, 04:33:52 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on October 13, 2017, 04:29:54 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 13, 2017, 01:50:39 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on October 13, 2017, 01:03:17 PM
You don't accumulate a few billion dollars by being stupid! You surround yourself with the best and brightest minds then use their talents to complete the task at hand.
President Trump may have the final decision, but you can be assured he has great advisory team carefully planning every step.

His father made the money, he's spunked a lot of it with poor business deals and let's not forget, bankruptcies.

He only did an undergrad degree at Wharton not the MBA it's famed for, so let's not get carried away.

I could forgive all that, if he showed any nous for the job in hand (he doesn't), and he wasn't so ignorant.

You ought get a job for RT news. This is exactly what they do.

Donald Trump was one a number of children who completed to be head of the family business. He won out. The family business grew under Donald Trump's leadership and became many times what it was while much of the money was still in his father name. The business has grown since then also not as you suggest he lost much of the money. This business is still growing and is of concern in USA politics as whether he is using his office to grow this business. Yes he did have some bankruptcies but he was smart enough to have his family business divided up into many corporations so he could bankrupt a loser and not hurt the rest of the business. I grew up in Florida knew the Trump name long before the reality show. He had a reputation for being a big mouth, show off and cruel business man. I never thought he had a chance to really become president. I never heard any body call him dumb before you nor suggest that he has lost money during most of his life. I wish he could be a more polished in his behavior. He just ran a platform that no one else would dare to do to bring some degree of nationalism back to the USA.

In office I have been surprised by how much he has show compassion for a number of women's issues including immunization of children and leave near child birth. If a good national health care plan got to Donald's desk it would likely pass. One of the complaint the republicans have with him he is part democrat.

Donald is wanting to pass the dreamer plan where illegal aliens who enter the country as a child would be able to stay indefinitely when they completed college. He is hoping to give them this in exchange for funding for the wall. He would not be suggesting this if he did not want dreamers also. The Dems could get much passed that could never get thru congress when Obama was president that they could trade for now if they were not so busy creating fake news.

Well we differ, thats fine.

You're not open minded about his accomplishments and you never have been.

You get easily triggered like many liberals and it blinds you.

But I like your guitars. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on October 13, 2017, 04:55:42 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 13, 2017, 03:41:38 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 13, 2017, 03:35:12 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 13, 2017, 01:50:39 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on October 13, 2017, 01:03:17 PM
You don't accumulate a few billion dollars by being stupid! You surround yourself with the best and brightest minds then use their talents to complete the task at hand.
President Trump may have the final decision, but you can be assured he has great advisory team carefully planning every step.

His father made the money, he's spunked a lot of it with poor business deals and let's not forget, bankruptcies.

He only did an undergrad degree at Wharton not the MBA it's famed for, so let's not get carried away.

I could forgive all that, if he showed any nous for the job in hand (he doesn't), and he wasn't so ignorant.

Didn't have time to do a complete search but in 1999 Fred Trump's worth was 250- 300 million dollars. That's a far cry from Donald Trump's current net worth.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/why-donald-trump-isn-t-the-successful-businessman-he-claims-to-be-us-elections-republican-politics-7173666.html

The article is very slanted against Trump. His father would not of let him run the business if he was losing money. The Trump family did not work that way. Example In the article his father sign a co sign loan that made a deal complete that they say makes money and then they give Donald no credit for putting it together. When you read that it is a clue just how bias this is. Liberalist in the UK are very much against Donald Trump. That is most of what this article proves.

The part of the beginning of the story is what I believe though. He does not take care of investors and I would not get into a deal that Donald Trump's name is on. He has often not paid contractors and I am not interested in working for him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 13, 2017, 04:56:26 PM

Ste, sometimes when you're wrong, you're just wrong.
The claims upon which you base your ill-informed opinion of Trump are factually incorrect.

Whilst we are all entitled to to an opinion not all opinions are of equal value.

Its fine to hold an opinion, to not support a person, or even to dislike them but if your opinion or preference is based on a falsehood then it is not possible to be objective. Worse yet, in such a case, poor information leads to poor choices and suboptimal outcomes. You're unlikely to have any impact upon the choice of Leader of the Free World but such tendencies probably impact upon other areas of life, areas that do affect you and those around you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 13, 2017, 06:10:44 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 13, 2017, 04:56:26 PM

Ste, sometimes when you're wrong, you're just wrong.
The claims upon which you base your ill-informed opinion of Trump are factually incorrect.

Whilst we are all entitled to to an opinion not all opinions are of equal value.

Its fine to hold an opinion, to not support a person, or even to dislike them but if your opinion or preference is based on a falsehood then it is not possible to be objective. Worse yet, in such a case, poor information leads to poor choices and suboptimal outcomes. You're unlikely to have any impact upon the choice of Leader of the Free World but such tendencies probably impact upon other areas of life, areas that do affect you and those around you.

Very well stated. Sometimes we find what we're looking for. I hardly think Trump is perfect but he's not the man portrayed by far left journalists either.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 13, 2017, 06:20:10 PM

As the liberals continue to look for dirt on Trump, they need to be reminded that Hillary Clinton was no saint.

Watchdog: FBI has located 30 pages of documents related to Clinton-Lynch tarmac meeting

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/watchdog-fbi-has-located-30-pages-of-documents-related-to-clinton-lynch-tarmac-meeting/article/2637507

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 13, 2017, 06:36:46 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 13, 2017, 01:50:39 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 13, 2017, 01:03:17 PM
You don't accumulate a few billion dollars by being stupid! You surround yourself with the best and brightest minds then use their talents to complete the task at hand.
President Trump may have the final decision, but you can be assured he has great advisory team carefully planning every step.

His father made the money, he's spunked a lot of it with poor business deals and let's not forget, bankruptcies.

He only did an undergrad degree at Wharton not the MBA it's famed for, so let's not get carried away.

I could forgive all that, if he showed any nous for the job in hand (he doesn't), and he wasn't so ignorant.

While Trump enterprises have had bankruptcies, Eastern Airlines and some casino's come to mind, leveraging assets he has made lots of money. This was done on his watch not his fathers.

Tex pretty much nails the reality of D. Trump as a business man.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 13, 2017, 10:00:38 PM

Quote from: yankee on October 13, 2017, 08:43:47 AM

Don't forget that the deficit doubled under Reagan (like Bush jr. and Obama)

They instituted baseline budgeting along with double digit growth rate
to every single budgetary line item. Then if you want to grow any single
line item only 9% you are said to be making a devastating budget cut.
When in fact the budget for that program grew by 9% over the previous
year.

Growing every program by double digits means that the debt is doubled
every presidency. Reagan tried to control spending, but his budgets were
proclaimed to be "dead on arrival"

However, I was talking about the revenue side. Lowering taxes increases
revenue.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 13, 2017, 10:13:42 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 13, 2017, 10:00:38 PM

Quote from: yankee on October 13, 2017, 08:43:47 AM
Don't forget that the deficit doubled under Reagan (like Bush jr. and Obama)

They instituted baseline budgeting along with double digit growth rate
to every single budgetary line item. Then if you want to grow any single
line item only 9% you are said to be making a devastating budget cut.
When in fact the budget for that program grew by 9% over the previous
year.

Growing every program by double digits means that the debt is doubled
every presidency. Reagan tried to control spending, but his budgets were
proclaimed to be "dead on arrival"

However, I was talking about the revenue side. Lowering taxes increases
revenue.

Well said Bill. Reagan I think was actually somewhat "big government" wasn't he?

The main thing he did well was to lower taxes, which makes liberal heads explode. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 14, 2017, 03:13:44 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 13, 2017, 08:16:56 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 13, 2017, 08:01:58 AM
Bill what you're explaining is called the velocity of money which is taught in Econ 101 at University.

Yes, it is. The money multiplier is about how small changes in the banking reserve
requirement change the amount of money in the economy. I had a brain fart plain
and simple.

I was trying to tie it all together sitting in an Airbnb near Aspen, but that's not an
excuse, I have no excuse.

The fact remains that lowering taxes boosts the economy and increases not decreases
revenue to the treasury. No liberal will ever admit it regardless of the amount of proof
provided. It's blasphemous to a liberal to look at the economic facts.

Excellent point, Bill.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 14, 2017, 03:46:01 PM

Health insurance companies are making record profits, have to wonder what kind of cut Obama is getting under the table? I'm glad to hear Trump is cutting back the government payouts.

As Obamacare twists in political winds, top insurers made $6 billion (not that there is anything wrong with that)

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/05/top-health-insurers-profit-surge-29-percent-to-6-billion-dollars.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 14, 2017, 07:26:38 PM

President Trump pats himself on back after health stocks take a dive

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-pats-back-health-insurance-stocks-dive/story?id=50479114

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 14, 2017, 10:54:45 PM

So I adiosed some more posts demonstrating the deep and abiding affection two posters have for each other. I really don't want to keep having to do this, and I trust everyone has gotten the message by now.

Let's return to the topic at hand which is President Trump, not each other.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 14, 2017, 11:08:28 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 14, 2017, 03:46:01 PM

Health insurance companies are making record profits, have to wonder what kind of cut Obama is getting under the table? I'm glad to hear Trump is cutting back the government payouts.

As Obamacare twists in political winds, top insurers made $6 billion (not that there is anything wrong with that)

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/05/top-health-insurers-profit-surge-29-percent-to-6-billion-dollars.html

I was very happy that Rand Paul worked on this with Trump. Campaign promises are being kept slowly but surely.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 15, 2017, 12:55:56 AM

In fact the truth does NOT remain that decreasing taxed increases revenues.

You are thinking of the Laffer Curve which is a hypothetical construct lacking proof and then misunderstanding what it tells us.

In very, very brief terms the Laffer Curve is about elasticity of the tax base and assumes there is an optimal level at which revenues are maximised.
If this is assumed to be true then nobody knows the shape of the curve and thus the optimal level for the US economy at any given time.

So, here's the general point that would be true no matter what the optimal value of tax rate might be: tax revenue will only increase if the tax rate is already past the optimal level for maximising revenues. Logically, this has to be the case, if the Laffer Curve is valid, even if the shape of the curve and hence the optimal value is not known.

The followers of the Laffer Curve hypothesis tend to assume that the rate beyond which increases in tax rate lead to decreased tax revenues is somewhere over 70%. Lower than that figure increasing rates do increase revenues. On that basis, if the rate of tax is already lower than about 70% then lowering it will not increase revenue because we already know that, at this area on the curve, increasing the rate will increase revenues. Both cases can not be true at the same time.

Given that the top rates of tax are nowhere near the hypothesised >70 % level reduction in tax rates will not result in increased tax revenues.

Now that's actually Econ 101 for an economist. Maybe different in trade school. ;)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 15, 2017, 12:17:21 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 15, 2017, 12:55:56 AM

In fact the truth does NOT remain that decreasing taxed increases revenues.

It's not a proven law like supply and demand however it's worked in the
USA every time it's been tried. You make a good point about the Laffer
curve, however, the it still worked at lower tax rates.

In 1924 the maximum tax rate was at 49% and the tax revenue to the
US treasury was $704 Billion

In 1929 the maximum tax rate was at 24% and the tax revenue to the US
treasury was 1.1 billion dollars. Holy crap batman, how does the left explain
that?!?!?!!

That was a long time ago, the economy is bigger and more dynamic, but
cutting taxes has increased revenues, even at the lower rates. They also
eliminated gift taxes and reduced the inheritance taxes. So the tax cuts
didn't happen in a vacuum where it can be proven that lowering taxes
by X causes a Y increase in revenue.

However, it's worked in the USA every single time it's been tried. What's
the rational argument for not lowering taxes?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 15, 2017, 02:49:12 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 15, 2017, 12:55:56 AM

In fact the truth does NOT remain that decreasing taxed increases revenues.

You are thinking of the Laffer Curve which is a hypothetical construct lacking proof and then misunderstanding what it tells us.

In very, very brief terms the Laffer Curve is about elasticity of the tax base and assumes there is an optimal level at which revenues are maximised.
If this is assumed to be true then nobody knows the shape of the curve and thus the optimal level for the US economy at any given time.

So, here's the general point that would be true no matter what the optimal value of tax rate might be: tax revenue will only increase if the tax rate is already past the optimal level for maximising revenues. Logically, this has to be the case, if the Laffer Curve is valid, even if the shape of the curve and hence the optimal value is not known.

The followers of the Laffer Curve hypothesis tend to assume that the rate beyond which increases in tax rate lead to decreased tax revenues is somewhere over 70%. Lower than that figure increasing rates do increase revenues. On that basis, if the rate of tax is already lower than about 70% then lowering it will not increase revenue because we already know that, at this area on the curve, increasing the rate will increase revenues. Both cases can not be true at the same time.

Given that the top rates of tax are nowhere near the hypothesised >70 % level reduction in tax rates will not result in increased tax revenues.

Now that's actually Econ 101 for an economist. Maybe different in trade school. ;)

It was many moons ago when I took Econ 101 at University and received an A-. Admittedly I was a much better student then.

What really stood out as a concept was the velocity of money, which increases when people get a tax break. As B/B wrote it juices the economy.

And I most definitely agree with Bill that tax revenues increase.

Other favorite concepts of mine are economy of scale and a sales concept about captive markets.

Manny is probably familiar with the 80/20 rule.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 15, 2017, 02:54:20 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 15, 2017, 12:17:21 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 15, 2017, 12:55:56 AM
In fact the truth does NOT remain that decreasing taxed increases revenues.

It's not a proven law like supply and demand however it's worked in the
USA every time it's been tried. You make a good point about the Laffer
curve, however, the it still worked at lower tax rates.

In 1924 the maximum tax rate was at 49% and the tax revenue to the
US treasury was $704 Billion

In 1929 the maximum tax rate was at 24% and the tax revenue to the US
treasury was 1.1 billion dollars. Holy crap batman, how does the left explain
that?!?!?!!

That was a long time ago, the economy is bigger and more dynamic, but
cutting taxes has increased revenues, even at the lower rates. They also
eliminated gift taxes and reduced the inheritance taxes. So the tax cuts
didn't happen in a vacuum where it can be proven that lowering taxes
by X causes a Y increase in revenue.

However, it's worked in the USA every single time it's been tried. What's
the rational argument for not lowering taxes?

Liberals always think that if only they can tax the rich hard enough their revenues will increase enough to pay for their bloated budgets.

When that fails they go after the middle class.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 15, 2017, 04:27:40 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 15, 2017, 12:17:21 PM

What's the rational argument for not lowering taxes?

Because it's "no fair" that some folks will be rich and others not. It's an emotional argument.

Here's something else to chew on: historically, tax revenues have been around 19% of GDP regardless of what rates were. There's an implication there about tax rates.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 15, 2017, 04:50:09 PM

I think some are missing the point. While lower taxes and more income is always a nice concept. The reality is the US government is spending to much money.

Cut the federal expenditures and over time things will balance out and improve.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 15, 2017, 05:02:10 PM

Gentlemen who took an economics course at trade school. It is nice to imagine stuff. It is nice to pretend that what you imagine might be true.

If you knew what you think you know about the subject you know so little about you would understand that the result you claim can not be true.

Learn about how elasticity works it isn't tough. It really is basic. ;)

The benefit that you claim can not happen unless the tax rate is already past the optimal revenue level. If you reduce the tax rate before the optimal level (the rate at which tax revenue is maximised then reducing tax rate can ONLY reduce revenue. That's the effect of moving back along the curve. Plot the chart yourself, it is easy to do. ;)

There are other reasons why tax revenue can increase. Increasing the size of the economy is one. Increased inflation is another. Improved enforcement yet another.

We simply do not know that the Laffer Curve is a genuine effect, although it is easy to imagine that it might be real. If you assume that, as you guys do, that it is real then the claims you have make can not be be laid at the door of tax rate changes.

If you think that the Laffer Curve is real then United States tax rates are almost certainly too low.

By the way, I tend to the opinion that incentive to work is a part of the calculation of tax rates and that, whilst unproven, and almost impossible to prove, the Laffer effect is real. I also tend to the opinion that there are valid reasons to not tax at the revenue maximising rate.

I don't agree with arguing without thinking or without knowledge. I think that it is better to learn a little first.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 15, 2017, 05:26:17 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 15, 2017, 04:50:09 PM

I think some are missing the point. While lower taxes and more income is always a nice concept. The reality is the US government is spending to much money.

Cut the federal expenditures and over time things will balance out and improve.

Agree 100%. Unfortunately the USA was conned into two Middle East wars by Bush Jr. A safe estimate is that 5 Trillion dollars has been blown on those.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 15, 2017, 05:28:31 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 15, 2017, 04:27:40 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 15, 2017, 12:17:21 PM
What's the rational argument for not lowering taxes?

Because it's "no fair" that some folks will be rich and others not. It's an emotional argument.

Here's something else to chew on: historically, tax revenues have been around 19% of GDP regardless of what rates were. There's an implication there about tax rates.

B/B

Could you please share what the implication is?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 15, 2017, 08:01:04 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 13, 2017, 10:13:42 PM

Well said Bill. Reagan I think was actually somewhat "big government" wasn't he?

The main thing he did well was to lower taxes, which makes liberal heads explode. :laugh:

Reagan did some big government stuff, especially with the military but the genesis of
baseline budgeting was dreamed up during the Nixon/Ford years with the Congressional
Budget Act of 1974.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 15, 2017, 08:08:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 15, 2017, 05:28:31 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 15, 2017, 04:27:40 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on October 15, 2017, 12:17:21 PM
What's the rational argument for not lowering taxes?

Because it's "no fair" that some folks will be rich and others not. It's an emotional argument.

Here's something else to chew on: historically, tax revenues have been around 19% of GDP regardless of what rates were. There's an implication there about tax rates.

B/B

Could you please share what the implication is?

If your tax revenue is always going to be around 19% of GDP, then there is no pressing need to have punitive tax rates to raise revenue, but rather it would be better to maximize growth. Why? Because if you are always going to get one-fifth of the pie, then it's better (for all concerned) to maximize the size of the pie.

Laurence Lindsey, former economic adviser to both Presidents Bush, as well as a Governor of the Federal Reserve, (and Harvard Ph.D. if it matters, but don't hold that against him) pegged the "right" tax rate to have (as the top marginal rate) as between 19-20%, because that maximizes growth as a tradeoff vs revenue. Regardless of the actually percentage, the problem with Professor Lindsey's analysis is not economic in nature, but rather political - first, we have a Congress that is incentivized to SPEND ("Look at all the Bright Shinies we're giving to you, for FREEEEEE!") and will simply spend through any revenue growth because that's what they do, and second, we have the curse of the Reptilian Brain - the Left (triangulating the middle, working and welfare classes against the rich to preserve their own power) howl, "THE RICH DON'T PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE!!! SQUEEEEEEE!!! We will 'get' them! Vote for US!" when in fact, the Rich pay for most of everything (to the extent that it's paid for) and the top half pay for EVERYTHING. So the problem is, someone is going to get a bigger slice of cake than someone else, and if you cut the top marginal rates, that difference will be increased in terms of dollars, and that's some how "no fair!" Thus the appeal of all the "WAAAH! INCOME INEQUALITY!!!" tw@ttery we've been hearing of late.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 15, 2017, 08:12:43 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 15, 2017, 05:02:10 PM

Gentlemen who took an economics course at trade school.

I'd love to hear about the tie-in between the velocity of money and the Laffer Curve from an expert, whether he gained his expertise at a trade school or not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 15, 2017, 08:15:26 PM

Senator Rand Paul on the corporate portion of President Trumps tax plan:

"I've been very excited about the President's (tax) plan from the very beginning, when he put out a 15% corporate tax cut," he said. "Now, obviously, trying to say 20%. I just want to make sure we realize we're competing with the rest of the world."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/15/politics/rand-paul-golf-trump/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 16, 2017, 04:58:05 AM

Rand Paul's comment goes to growth.

U.S. corporate income taxes are high when compared to its peers and competitors. The effect is to encourage offshoring of investment and employment and to encourage businesses to not repatriate profits. This is a separate issue to personal taxation although both for individuals and businesses taxation can create incentives and disincentives.

Velocity of money is a side effect of the tax rate and thus (assuming one gives credence to the idea) the Laffer Curve. The idea is that the higher the rate at which money is recycled through the economic system the more vibrant and active the economy. Back in the day I used to measure velocity of money through my own business to measure what we were up to. :)

In a high tax environment the rate of recycling of money (velocity) will tend to be lower than a low tax environment. That's because more money is going to the government and we take it as a given that the collection and disbursement process of the government is slower than that of businesses and individuals. In a low tax environment the money retained outside of government is rapidly spent by corporations and individuals. This leads to more investment, more returns on investment and more money to be shared among the participants in the economy.

But on the other hand there's the Fiscal Multiplier. :)
Which rabbit hole do you all want to dive into next?

You see these, and others, are all effects that happen at the same time, are all interconnected, and are almost impossible to tease out from each other. That's partly what makes economics interesting.
Most of the time, as civilians, we concentrate upon only one effect, or at most two, as has happened in the thread above. The reality is much more complex. We, as civilians, are encouraged to consider only binary effects because that makes us easier to convince and control. We don't really need to be be convinced, just to be confused. We get confused because the world does not work out as we, due to our limited thinking/programming expect and we hop onto another bright shiny idea from another mouthpiece.

How then to internalise the fiscal multiplier that tells us about how government spending increases the total wealth of the country? How do we reconcile that with the competing effect of velocity of money (that looks superficially, and confusingly, similar) and the incentive effects of tax rates?

You/we are programmed to choose a 'side' in a battle of ideas. The battle is a false one because nobody is going to talk about the complete picture and there's both good and bad reasons for that!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 16, 2017, 08:27:54 AM

Bill or B/B or someone else can supply charts or more evidence if they wish to.

Once President Trump gets GDP growth above 3% and hopefully near to 4% then revenues to the treasury will increase.

He'll do that by lowering the tax rate for both individuals and corporations. As Andrew just mentioned higher corporate tax rates cause businesses to horde cash in overseas tax shelters. Lowering corporate tax rates brings it back and companies can then hire more workers and make other investments in themselves.

On top of this Trump has been working furiously to cut burdensome regulations so that companies can operate more efficiently.

Summary: lower taxes, fewer regulations, offshore $$ comes back, GDP growth commences and revenues to treasury increase.

This is not an academic "proof", someone else can provide that if they wish to.

(Staying out of useless foreign wars would also help)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 16, 2017, 10:51:05 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 16, 2017, 08:27:54 AM

Bill or B/B or someone else can supply charts or more evidence if they wish to.

Once President Trump gets GDP growth above 3% and hopefully near to 4% then revenues to the treasury will increase.

He'll do that by lowering the tax rate for both individuals and corporations. As Andrew just mentioned higher corporate tax rates cause businesses to horde cash in overseas tax shelters. Lowering corporate tax rates brings it back and companies can then hire more workers and make other investments in themselves.

On top of this Trump has been working furiously to cut burdensome regulations so that companies can operate more efficiently.

Summary: lower taxes, fewer regulations, offshore $$ comes back, GDP growth commences and revenues to treasury increase.

This is not an academic "proof", someone else can provide that if they wish to.

(Staying out of useless foreign wars would also help)

Did you get this from this video?

Wizlink -

Not a valid youtube URL

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 16, 2017, 11:39:31 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 16, 2017, 10:51:05 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 16, 2017, 08:27:54 AM
Bill or B/B or someone else can supply charts or more evidence if they wish to.

Once President Trump gets GDP growth above 3% and hopefully near to 4% then revenues to the treasury will increase.

He'll do that by lowering the tax rate for both individuals and corporations. As Andrew just mentioned higher corporate tax rates cause businesses to horde cash in overseas tax shelters. Lowering corporate tax rates brings it back and companies can then hire more workers and make other investments in themselves.

On top of this Trump has been working furiously to cut burdensome regulations so that companies can operate more efficiently.

Summary: lower taxes, fewer regulations, offshore $$ comes back, GDP growth commences and revenues to treasury increase.

This is not an academic "proof", someone else can provide that if they wish to.

(Staying out of useless foreign wars would also help)

Did you get this from this video?

No. :Zzzzsleep:

But here's a useful chart of the stock market gains since Trump won the election.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/918511783144579078/NAIdTcD8?format=jpg&name=600x314)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 16, 2017, 11:59:56 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 16, 2017, 04:58:05 AM

Rand Paul's comment goes to growth.

U.S. corporate income taxes are high when compared to its peers and competitors. The effect is to encourage offshoring of investment and employment and to encourage businesses to not repatriate profits. This is a separate issue to personal taxation although both for individuals and businesses taxation can create incentives and disincentives.

Velocity of money is a side effect of the tax rate and thus (assuming one gives credence to the idea) the Laffer Curve. The idea is that the higher the rate at which money is recycled through the economic system the more vibrant and active the economy. Back in the day I used to measure velocity of money through my own business to measure what we were up to. :)

In a high tax environment the rate of recycling of money (velocity) will tend to be lower than a low tax environment. That's because more money is going to the government and we take it as a given that the collection and disbursement process of the government is slower than that of businesses and individuals. In a low tax environment the money retained outside of government is rapidly spent by corporations and individuals. This leads to more investment, more returns on investment and more money to be shared among the participants in the economy.

But on the other hand there's the Fiscal Multiplier. :)
Which rabbit hole do you all want to dive into next?

You see these, and others, are all effects that happen at the same time, are all interconnected, and are almost impossible to tease out from each other. That's partly what makes economics interesting.
Most of the time, as civilians, we concentrate upon only one effect, or at most two, as has happened in the thread above. The reality is much more complex. We, as civilians, are encouraged to consider only binary effects because that makes us easier to convince and control. We don't really need to be be convinced, just to be confused. We get confused because the world does not work out as we, due to our limited thinking/programming expect and we hop onto another bright shiny idea from another mouthpiece.

How then to internalise the fiscal multiplier that tells us about how government spending increases the total wealth of the country? How do we reconcile that with the competing effect of velocity of money (that looks superficially, and confusingly, similar) and the incentive effects of tax rates?

You/we are programmed to choose a 'side' in a battle of ideas. The battle is a false one because nobody is going to talk about the complete picture and there's both good and bad reasons for that!

I suppose you could say that this is anecdotal evidence, yet here is what Bill was talking about. In each case when tax rates were decreased, revenue to the treasury increased. The Democratic party today would probably call JFK a fascist.

excerpt of article:

"The Kennedy tax cuts

President Hoover dramatically increased tax rates in the 1930s and President Roosevelt compounded the damage by pushing marginal tax rates to more than 90 percent. Recognizing that high tax rates were hindering the economy, President Kennedy proposed across-the-board tax rate reductions that reduced the top tax rate from more than 90 percent down to 70 percent. What happened? Tax revenues climbed from $94 billion in 1961 to $153 billion in 1968, an increase of 62 percent (33 percent after adjusting for inflation).

According to President John F. Kennedy:

Our true choice is not between tax reduction, on the one hand, and the avoidance of large Federal deficits on the other. It is increasingly clear that no matter what party is in power, so long as our national security needs keep rising, an economy hampered by restrictive tax rates will never produce enough revenues to balance our budget just as it will never produce enough jobs or enough profits… In short, it is a paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high today and tax revenues are too low and the soundest way to raise the revenues in the long run is to cut the rates now."

http://www.heritage.org/node/18247/print-display

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 16, 2017, 01:14:30 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 16, 2017, 04:58:05 AM

But on the other hand there's the Fiscal Multiplier. :)
Which rabbit hole do you all want to dive into next?

You see these, and others, are all effects that happen at the same time, are all interconnected, and are almost impossible to tease out from each other. That's partly what makes economics interesting.
Most of the time, as civilians, we concentrate upon only one effect, or at most two, as has happened in the thread above. The reality is much more complex. We, as civilians, are encouraged to consider only binary effects because that makes us easier to convince and control. We don't really need to be be convinced, just to be confused. We get confused because the world does not work out as we, due to our limited thinking/programming expect and we hop onto another bright shiny idea from another mouthpiece.

How then to internalise the fiscal multiplier that tells us about how government spending increases the total wealth of the country? How do we reconcile that with the competing effect of velocity of money (that looks superficially, and confusingly, similar) and the incentive effects of tax rates?

You/we are programmed to choose a 'side' in a battle of ideas. The battle is a false one because nobody is going to talk about the complete picture and there's both good and bad reasons for that!

Hmmmmmmmmmm...............
Now we are talking about opinions/philosophy :chuckle: Below is my opinion re fiscal
multipliers and various theories of John Maynard Keynes

The fiscal multiplier is an oxymoron in my opinion, otherwise economies like
Japan would have pulled out of a recession long ago is such a mechanism worked.
FDR would have pulled the USA out of the depression 6-8 years earlier is it worked.
I would call it a fiscal divider.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on October 16, 2017, 07:17:25 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 16, 2017, 10:51:05 AM

Did you get this from this video?

Why do you think we should of elected Hillary? What qualities do you think she had that would made life in the USA better?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 16, 2017, 09:09:04 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 16, 2017, 11:39:31 AM

But here's a useful chart of the stock market gains since Trump won the election.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/918511783144579078/NAIdTcD8?format=jpg&name=600x314)

Only a damn fool would say that Ronald Reagan was responsible for the correction of 1987, yet you are happy to credit Trump for the recent market growth despite his having little to do with it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 16, 2017, 09:24:40 PM

Using your reasoning, Obama deserves some credit also.

https://www.5yearcharts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/dow-jones-10y.png

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 17, 2017, 01:02:09 AM

Given that market prices are a reflection of current sentiment it is not unreasonable to attribute some part of the state of the market to Trump and the sentiment that he engenders.

How much is a guess but noting the timing of inflection points might be indicative.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 17, 2017, 01:37:08 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on October 16, 2017, 07:17:25 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 16, 2017, 10:51:05 AM

Did you get this from this video?

Why do you think we should of elected Hillary? What qualities do you think she had that would made life in the USA better?

I don’t. You just shouldn’t have elected Trumpton.

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on October 17, 2017, 05:14:13 AM

You are just complaining without having any view of what should of been done. Why does Trump bother you so much? He is not your president. If Europe is laughing why should you care? In three more years we have another election. What is happening in these three years that is effecting you in a negative way? How is Donald Trump having a negative impact on you and/or your family's life that you should be so unhappy about him?

Some members here I suspect are paid pro Russian trolls. I am not aware of the anti Trump groups hiring any trolls. So I doubt you getting paid to hate him. So what is the REAL problem?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 17, 2017, 05:36:48 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on October 17, 2017, 05:14:13 AM

You are just complaining without having any view of what should of been done. Why does Trump bother you so much? He is not your president. If Europe is laughing why should you care? In three more years we have another election. What is happening in these three years that is effecting you in a negative way? How is Donald Trump having a negative impact on you and/or your family's life that you should be so unhappy about him?

Some members here I suspect are paid pro Russian trolls. I am not aware of the anti Trump groups hiring any trolls. So I doubt you getting paid to hate him. So what is the REAL problem?

He’s got the nuke codes and is dumb enough to use them.

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on October 17, 2017, 06:19:13 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 17, 2017, 05:36:48 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on October 17, 2017, 05:14:13 AM
You are just complaining without having any view of what should of been done. Why does Trump bother you so much? He is not your president. If Europe is laughing why should you care? In three more years we have another election. What is happening in these three years that is effecting you in a negative way? How is Donald Trump having a negative impact on you and/or your family's life that you should be so unhappy about him?

Some members here I suspect are paid pro Russian trolls. I am not aware of the anti Trump groups hiring any trolls. So I doubt you getting paid to hate him. So what is the REAL problem?

He’s got the nuke codes and is dumb enough to use them.

.

To be fair, you jump on him for anything & everything. It's called an obsession. I don't particularly like the bloke either but I can see bullying and obsession a mile away.

If folk like you and the liberal press jumped on him for his howlers, you'd get a good bit of mileage. Jump on him for not wearing shades whilst looking at the eclipse or laughing at him when another head of state shakes someone else's hand first - that's childish and bitter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 17, 2017, 06:21:56 AM

Why do you, Ste, keep on with the 'dumb' stuff.
Put it in other terms, if you are so bright, why are you not King of the World?

The guy is demonstrably not stupid, he may have other faults but a low intellectual capacity is not one of them. Problem is that when you (and millions of others) persist in carrying around a delusion how can you, or your deluded peers, make rational, objective, choices?

The trick is to recognise, in so far as is possible, the reality and deal with that. Among those realities is, almost certainly, that Trump does not have the capability to initiate the use of nuclear weapons. You'd be better to be concerned about those who are more likely to do so. By maintaining your delusional state you render yourself unable to see alternatives and, possibly, in some small way, do something about them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 17, 2017, 08:43:01 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 17, 2017, 01:02:09 AM

Given that market prices are a reflection of current sentiment it is not unreasonable to attribute some part of the state of the market to Trump and the sentiment that he engenders.

How much is a guess but noting the timing of inflection points might be indicative.

1) "The Dow Jones industrial average: 1896-2016" My link had issues.

2) You failed to mention which demographic owns the lion's share of the outstanding stock.

3) I'm surprised that you don't see the problem with ANT's chart; it's as plain as the nose on my face.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 17, 2017, 04:49:46 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on October 17, 2017, 05:14:13 AM

Some members here I suspect are paid pro Russian trolls. I am not aware of the anti Trump groups hiring any trolls. So I doubt you getting paid to hate him. So what is the REAL problem?

I couldn't agree more: you are unaware.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 17, 2017, 04:54:13 PM

Quote from: ste

He’s got the nuke codes and is dumb enough to use them.

Quite ... He's a misogynistic :censored: whose used his Dad's inheritance, unwisely...

Quote from: rosco on October 17, 2017, 06:19:13 AM

To be fair, you jump on him for anything & everything. It's called an obsession. I don't particularly like the bloke either but I can see bullying and obsession a mile away.

Another candidate for 'quote of the week' - irony filter clearly non-functional..

Quote from: rosco on October 17, 2017, 06:19:13 AM

If folk like you and the liberal press jumped on him for his howlers, you'd get a good bit of mileage. Jump on him for not wearing shades whilst looking at the eclipse or laughing at him when another head of state shakes someone else's hand first - that's childish and bitter.

Well, Ste - yet another candidate for " you think the Emperor IS actually wearing clothes" ... ?

Rosco, are you relying on Trump for your livelihood ? When he ( finally) comes to the UK he can expect a bumpy ride ... The guy is single-handedly managing to lower the standing of his nation without and I simply wonder at those still believing in him at home.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 17, 2017, 05:55:24 PM

What chart?
I don't need to look at a chart to tell me that market prices, any market, are based upon the sentiments of market participants.

On any chart showing historical data you will see that significant changes (inflection points) are related to changes in the way that market participants valued the market in question. Those changes are based upon a reaction to events in the outside world.

Does not matter who owns the goods in question the buyer buys at a price because of his belief in the future value of the item. The sellers sells at the price because of his belief in the future of the item. This can be expressed in different words but the meaning will be pretty much the same.

In terms of stock markets in the US, prices are rising because buyers think that the future looks brighter now than it did yesterday. The single biggest change in the USA that correlates positively with the market indices is the Trump presidency. Of course there are a myriad of other perceptions in play accounting for smaller peaks and troughs but the large trend is IMHO driven by Trump's presence and positive sentiment about a Trump future. Think of it this way: it certainly isn't about the leadership of Obama or Clinton.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 17, 2017, 08:51:23 PM

The Real Russia-Gate Will Take Down Hillary Clinton

http://russia-insider.com/en/real-russia-gate-will-take-down-hillary-clinton/ri21287

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 17, 2017, 09:18:14 PM

Andy,

Even if your sentiment/stock price theory is correct, it falls short because those who own little or no stock are underrepresented or not represented at all. It's not surprising that the wealthy have positive sentiment when they expect to be enriched at the expense of everyone else. Those who will be hurt the most are highly educated professions, such as B.B., who have pockets deep enough to steal plenty from but not deep enough to qualify for the massive tax breaks that the wealthy enjoy.

http://www.npr.org/2017/03/01/517975766/while-trump-touts-stock-market-many-americans-left-out-of-the-conversation

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 17, 2017, 11:06:04 PM

Tom, you are choosing to change the topic of discussion. It seems that you now understand and agree the point I was making but in order to feel better are now expanding the topic outside of the original parameters. That's OK but it is faulty thinking and you need to be aware of that fact.

Of course, objectively, Trump has huge support, he won an election based upon millions of people voting for him but they were not the point of the discussion. You were criticising the suggestion that there was a Trump Effect visible in US stock markets. Now you know that it is almost certain that there is and the way in which the effect works, albeit in very condensed terms - there's many books on market pricing and I wrote only a couple of brief forum posts.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 17, 2017, 11:47:00 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 17, 2017, 09:18:14 PM

It's not surprising that the wealthy have positive sentiment when they expect to be enriched at the expense of everyone else.

Kindly explain the "at the expense of everyone else" bit.

Quote from: TomT on October 17, 2017, 09:18:14 PM

Those who will be hurt the most are highly educated professions, such as B.B., who have pockets deep enough to steal plenty from but not deep enough to qualify for the massive tax breaks that the wealthy enjoy.

Actually, where Trump's plan, as proposed, would really hurt me is in the changes to deductions. I already get screwed by the AMT, and if all deductions for state taxes come off the table, that would hurt because I live in a high-tax state. I have a couple of options to move to low tax states, which I am considering anyway, because a basic estimate of net gain to me, including compounding, comes out to be several hundred thousand dollars. While I am still a W-2 guy (wages/salary, for non US types) I am transitioning to becoming more of a "cash flow" guy. To the extent that taxes impose an increasing burden on me, that will only hasten my departure from the cold Northeast to warmer (and financially friendlier) climbs.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 18, 2017, 02:47:35 AM

Let's take a look to the background of president Trump, so we can understand what some people are talking about.

What kind of businessman is Trump, what does he do and what is his business?

He deals in real estate, infrastructure and casinos.

How Trump has built his business empire?

With the backing of the “mafia” and help of the organized crime, which Trump has not tried to hide these "acquaintances".

The American press is full of reports about the suspicious connections of the Trump Empire to the American mafia's “geniuses”, since the time he was levelling the New York slums in the 1970s and 1980s.

It was “Mafia” the one who paved his way to transform an old working class town to the “Atlantic City” - the Las Vegas on the East Coast were Trump have the three biggest casinos.

It was “mafia” that saved him when Tramp was involved into four fraudulent bankruptcies in 1991, 1992, 2004 and 2009. The Trump Empire was and remains one of the largest laundering operations for mafia funds and generally the organized crime in USA.

So with the help of “mafia” and the organised crime he became President of the USA. Mafia finally achieved the top prize.

The FBI has a massive file for Tramp's mafia transactions. That's why Trump when he just settled down in the White House, the first thing he did was tried to control the FBI by firing its manager. There were rumours that he was ready to go ahead with revelations against the newly elected President.

Since then, the White House has launched an entire campaign to stop the media, but also the FBI executives from publishing the Trump folder.

However, at the Ministry of Justice, a team of experienced prosecutors is conducting a rapidly evolving research into the possible links of the Trump campaign with Russia and whether President Donald Trump himself may be guilty of impeding justice. Headed by Specialist Robert Mueller, former FBI Director, the group includes 16 lawyers, (http://www.nationallawjournal.com/id=1202789177543/Mueller-Enlists-Top-Criminal-Law-Expert-for-Russia-Probe?slreturn=20170918032431) leading professionals such as Michael Dreeben, a criminal law expert, who has supported more than 100 cases before the US Supreme Court and the Andrew Weissmann, who made a career and a name by chasing organized crime.

Many consider it unavoidable, that sooner or later, President Trump's referral to the Supreme Court for hampering justice in terms of scrutinizing his empire's links with the organized crime. He had not only links with the domestic mafia, but also with the Russian mafia, to which Trump had the opportunity to launder money to and from Russia. Especially since the US imposed a sanction regime against Russia.

That is why Trump was recently forced to accept the vote on the bill on new sanctions against Russia, although he had formally stated that he disagrees not only with the bill, but also with the sanctions against Russia.

And if all this was not enough, on the 16 August 2017 the US was shocked by the news that the Australian government had denied Trump to set up a casino in Sydney in 1987. The official reason for denial was stated to be, Trump's connections with the “Mafia”.

The current US president, in partnership with the “Kern Corporation”, a Queensland-based planning company, was one of the four groups that made an offer for the lucrative “Darling Harbour” project in Sydney.

The government rejected the proposal of the Trump / Kern joint venture on 5 May 1987. Why did it refuse? Because Australia's New South Wales Police Council (NSW) recommended that the offer from the New York businessman to be rejected because it would be "dangerous."

"Atlantic City would be a dubious model for Sydney, and at our discretion, Trump's connections with the Mafia should exclude the Kern / Trump Joint Venture," summarizes the report of the police council delivered to the government on 4 May 1987. The concerns of the New South Wales government regarding Trump's bid had not been made public then.

However, according to the rules applicable to the declassification of the official documents of the New South Wales Cabinet, several reports on this case were published on “The Australian” newspaper on Wednesday 16/8/2017.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/16/trump-mafia-connections-blocked-bid-to-open-sydney-casino-30-years-ago.html

And as the American press, electronic and printed, was in full swing, Both Laura Trump and the White House refused to comment on the case.

That is the new “Leader” of the USA and the world!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on October 18, 2017, 03:18:19 AM

Quote from: msmoby on October 17, 2017, 04:54:13 PM

Quote from: ste

He’s got the nuke codes and is dumb enough to use them.

Quite ... He's a misogynistic :censored: whose used his Dad's inheritance, unwisely...

Quote from: rosco on October 17, 2017, 06:19:13 AM
To be fair, you jump on him for anything & everything. It's called an obsession. I don't particularly like the bloke either but I can see bullying and obsession a mile away.

Another candidate for 'quote of the week' - irony filter clearly non-functional..

Quote from: rosco on October 17, 2017, 06:19:13 AM
If folk like you and the liberal press jumped on him for his howlers, you'd get a good bit of mileage. Jump on him for not wearing shades whilst looking at the eclipse or laughing at him when another head of state shakes someone else's hand first - that's childish and bitter.

Well, Ste - yet another candidate for " you think the Emperor IS actually wearing clothes" ... ?

Rosco, are you relying on Trump for your livelihood ? When he ( finally) comes to the UK he can expect a bumpy ride ... The guy is single-handedly managing to lower the standing of his nation without and I simply wonder at those still believing in him at home.....

I’m not entirely sure what that was Moby. Are you ok?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 18, 2017, 04:22:48 AM

Quote from: rosco on October 18, 2017, 03:18:19 AM

I’m not entirely sure what that was Moby. Are you ok?

Fine, thanks.. I'm more worried for you

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 18, 2017, 08:34:57 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 17, 2017, 09:18:14 PM

Andy,

Even if your sentiment/stock price theory is correct, it falls short because those who own little or no stock are underrepresented or not represented at all.

52% of Americans own stock. The poor, the working poor and the lower income working
class were hurt the most/helped the least during the Obama slow growth recovery of part
time jobs. The stock market went up a ton during Obama as well, It was mostly because
the fed pumped money into the economy with quantitative easing.

Federal Reserve Money Printing Is The Real Reason Why The Stock Market Is Soaring
https://financialplannerinneworleans.com/federal-reserve-money-printing-real-reason-stock-market-soaring/

What did Trump do to cause the market to go up? It was mostly cutting regulations and
promises to cut taxes that caused perception of good times ahead. It could easily turn
around if the GOP legislature botches the tax reforms and/or the Fed decides that it needs
to suck all that money back out of the economy.

As Economy Grows, Fed Set to Shrink Bond Holdings
The Fed, concerned about the reaction in financial markets, has tried to eliminate any
suspense by publishing a detailed schedule and promising to move very slowly. But just
as the Fed’s bond purchases after the 2008 crisis were unprecedented, the retreat will
again take the reserve banking system into uncharted territory. No one can be certain
what will happen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/business/fed-bonds-economy.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 18, 2017, 08:50:50 AM

Quote from: msmoby on October 17, 2017, 04:54:13 PM

Quite ... He's a misogynistic :censored: whose used his Dad's inheritance, unwisely...

Frederick Christ Trump Sr. (October 11, 1905 – June 25, 1999) Trump was somewhere
around a billion dollars in 1998 the year before he would have split his inheritance with
his 3 surviving siblings. His inheritance was icing on the cake, but he already had his
cake.

Trump was down the list of who I liked the most for the GOP primaries. I liked Cruz and
Rand Paul significantly more. I do like the fact that he fights back, something that team
establishment Bush/Romney/Dole/Ford/McCain et al never did.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 18, 2017, 08:51:56 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 17, 2017, 11:06:04 PM

It seems that you now understand and agree the point I was making but in order to feel better are now expanding the topic outside of the original parameters.

You crack me up, Andrew, especially in regard to feeling better about myself.

It was necessary to take a different tack because you ignored, or pretended not to understand, my earlier point about ANT's ridiculous cartoon. Since it appears to be necessary, I'll lay out my argument in terms that even he would understand.

Our prodigy of an Economics 101 student posted a chart that was created by a famous Conservative unthink-tank, showing a exaggerated depiction of Trump's "accomplishments" and completely ignoring that Obama inherited a market that was in free fall and, during his tenure, presided over the second-longest bull market in history. Trump, on the other hand, inherited a strong market and the growth that has occurred since are the result of fundamentals that were built during his predecessor's administration. That MOAA has a long history of taking credit for things that he had nothing to do with and placing blame on Obama for everything else. The mentally afflicted are OK with this but, with your intellect, you should not be.

If your sentiment theory holds, and I believe that it only contains a weak correlation at best, then ANT should have given Obama more credit than he gave Trump... but it never crossed our Wikipedia-educated scholar's mind.

p.s. As you are probably aware, I'm using your signature debating style against you. Irritating, isn't it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2017, 09:15:58 AM

As Bill so wisely pointed out printing tons of paper in order to reward Wall Street speculators is hardly good economic policy.

Obama ran up about 9 Trillion dollars in debt in 8 short years; more debt than previous Presidents had run up in 200+ years.

Job creators (business owners) are the ultimate authority of how tax policy can benefit the middle class and others. Not a community organizer whose primary accomplishment was record debt.

Vice President Mike Pence:
"Job creators in Buffalo told me yesterday why President Donald J. Trump's plan to cut taxes for working families will help small businesses grow." #VPinNY

http://buffalonews.com/2017/10/17/live-coverage-vice-president-mike-pence-buffalo/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 18, 2017, 09:24:36 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 17, 2017, 11:47:00 PM

Kindly explain the "at the expense of everyone else" bit.

Trump has no regard for anyone but young photomodels from foreign shit holes or fellow billionaires. To him, millionaires are trash, just like the poor. It means nothing to him that professionals, such as yourself, studied hard, trained themselves further and applied their knowledge to rise to the top of their game. Such professionals have achieved the impossible so often that it has become the status quo and it is expected of them. Our moron-in-chief has no appreciation of their intelligence and perseverance because he has neither; he achieved his goals simply by screwing people.

If the Donald is consistent with his character traits, I believe that he will preside over the greatest transfer of wealth in American history and the top 1% will be the beneficiaries.

It's a pity that people are forced to relocate to keep more of the assets that they worked for and deserve to keep. On a dollar basis, you will be screwed more than those who are only fit to glue insoles to midsoles in a Nike factory but, unlike them, you have a strong CV and marketable skills that you can take anywhere.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 18, 2017, 09:35:20 AM

Quote from: Counterfeit on October 18, 2017, 09:15:58 AM

As Bill so wisely pointed out...

You recognize insincere flattery, right Bill? Dare I write "counterfeit flattery?"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 18, 2017, 10:10:42 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 18, 2017, 08:34:57 AM

52% of Americans own stock. The poor, the working poor and the lower income working
class were hurt the most/helped the least during the Obama slow growth recovery of part
time jobs. The stock market went up a ton during Obama as well, It was mostly because
the fed pumped money into the economy with quantitative easing.

Federal Reserve Money Printing Is The Real Reason Why The Stock Market Is Soaring
https://financialplannerinneworleans.com/federal-reserve-money-printing-real-reason-stock-market-soaring/

What did Trump do to cause the market to go up? It was mostly cutting regulations and
promises to cut taxes that caused perception of good times ahead. It could easily turn
around if the GOP legislature botches the tax reforms and/or the Fed decides that it needs
to suck all that money back out of the economy.

As Economy Grows, Fed Set to Shrink Bond Holdings
The Fed, concerned about the reaction in financial markets, has tried to eliminate any
suspense by publishing a detailed schedule and promising to move very slowly. But just
as the Fed’s bond purchases after the 2008 crisis were unprecedented, the retreat will
again take the reserve banking system into uncharted territory. No one can be certain
what will happen.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/business/fed-bonds-economy.html

Whatever the mechanism, the value of my portfolio nearly tripled during the Obama administration, despite extraordinary expenses during that time. I am thinking very hard about converting the bulk of it to guaranteed annuities to lock in my gains and insulate them from a future disaster.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2017, 10:30:24 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 18, 2017, 09:24:36 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 17, 2017, 11:47:00 PM
Kindly explain the "at the expense of everyone else" bit.

Trump has no regard for anyone but young photomodels from foreign shit holes or fellow billionaires. To him, millionaires are trash, just like the poor. It means nothing to him that professionals, such as yourself, studied hard, trained themselves further and applied their knowledge to rise to the top of their game. Such professionals have achieved the impossible so often that it has become the status quo and it is expected of them. Our moron-in-chief has no appreciation of their intelligence and perseverance because he has neither; he achieved his goals simply by screwing people.

If the Donald is consistent with his character traits, I believe that he will preside over the greatest transfer of wealth in American history and the top 1% will be the beneficiaries.

It's a pity that people are forced to relocate to keep more of the assets that they worked for and deserve to keep. On a dollar basis, you will be screwed more than those who are only fit to glue insoles to midsoles in a Nike factory but, unlike them, you have a strong CV and marketable skills that you can take anywhere.

Speaking of insincere flattery. :sick0012:

(and it's more probable that B/B was already contemplating leaving the socialist "utopia" of New York, where those who work hard and achieve something must pay for those who don't)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 18, 2017, 11:15:21 AM

Whats the story about Trumpton and the soldiers widow? Either he called and told her thats what her husband signed up for, made her cry then called her a liar.

Or he didn’t.

Gonna take me ages to weigh this up and decide which is the mostly likely truth.

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 18, 2017, 11:53:24 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2017, 11:15:21 AM

Whats the story about Trumpton and the soldiers widow? Either he called and told her thats what her husband signed up for, made her cry then called her a liar.

Or he didn’t.

Gonna take me ages to weigh this up and decide which is the mostly likely truth.

We can either believe a witness to the call or a pathological liar.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-told-widow-soldier-must-ve-known-what-he-signed-n811756

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on October 18, 2017, 11:55:13 AM

Quote from: msmoby on October 18, 2017, 04:22:48 AM

Quote from: rosco on October 18, 2017, 03:18:19 AM

I’m not entirely sure what that was Moby. Are you ok?

Fine, thanks.. I'm more worried for you

I wouldn’t be old chap. Life’s rather good at the moment.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 18, 2017, 12:00:04 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2017, 10:30:24 AM

Speaking of insincere flattery. :sick0012:

It's not my fault that Nike outsourced your unqualified former job to Vietnam, China, and Indonesia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 18, 2017, 12:02:56 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 18, 2017, 11:53:24 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 18, 2017, 11:15:21 AM
Whats the story about Trumpton and the soldiers widow? Either he called and told her thats what her husband signed up for, made her cry then called her a liar.

Or he didn’t.

Gonna take me ages to weigh this up and decide which is the mostly likely truth.

We can either believe a witness to the call or a pathological liar.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-told-widow-soldier-must-ve-known-what-he-signed-n811756

Jesus - look at him with his arms folded like a schoolboy caught smoking behind the bike sheds.

What a heartless bástard he is, even if there is any truth in his claims, you'd think he'd show a little empathy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on October 18, 2017, 12:04:10 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 18, 2017, 08:50:50 AM

Quote from: msmoby on October 17, 2017, 04:54:13 PM
Quite ... He's a misogynistic :censored: whose used his Dad's inheritance, unwisely...

Frederick Christ Trump Sr. (October 11, 1905 – June 25, 1999) Trump was somewhere
around a billion dollars in 1998 the year before he would have split his inheritance with
his 3 surviving siblings. His inheritance was icing on the cake, but he already had his
cake.

Trump was down the list of who I liked the most for the GOP primaries. I liked Cruz and
Rand Paul significantly more. I do like the fact that he fights back, something that team
establishment Bush/Romney/Dole/Ford/McCain et al never did.

Bill - Moby & Ste have preconceived perceptions of the bloke and nothing Trump does can possibly change the emotions of a bitter person. We’re all wrong at some point in our lives but I feel sorry for those who for one reason or another, can’t look beyond their own failings.

I don’t particularly like Trump but he would get my vote over Hilary. Any media outlet who spends every hour of the day trying to discredit the man, no matter how trivial, has lost all credibility as far as I’m concerned.

It amounts to nothing more than bullying, ironically something the liberal press claims to fight against.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2017, 12:11:14 PM

Quote from: rosco on October 18, 2017, 12:04:10 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 18, 2017, 08:50:50 AM
Quote from: msmoby on October 17, 2017, 04:54:13 PM
Quite ... He's a misogynistic :censored: whose used his Dad's inheritance, unwisely...

Frederick Christ Trump Sr. (October 11, 1905 – June 25, 1999) Trump was somewhere
around a billion dollars in 1998 the year before he would have split his inheritance with
his 3 surviving siblings. His inheritance was icing on the cake, but he already had his
cake.

Trump was down the list of who I liked the most for the GOP primaries. I liked Cruz and
Rand Paul significantly more. I do like the fact that he fights back, something that team
establishment Bush/Romney/Dole/Ford/McCain et al never did.

Bill - Moby & Ste have preconceived perceptions of the bloke and nothing Trump does can possibly change the emotions of a bitter person. We’re all wrong at some point in our lives but I feel sorry for those who for one reason or another, can’t look beyond their own failings.

I don’t particularly like Trump but he would get my vote over Hilary. Any media outlet who spends every hour of the day trying to discredit the man, no matter how trivial, has lost all credibility as far as I’m concerned.

It amounts to nothing more than bullying, ironically something the liberal press claims to fight against.

You need to add Tom to this list and in fact he's clearly the most bitter of them all. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 18, 2017, 12:13:13 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 18, 2017, 09:24:36 AM

If the Donald is consistent with his character traits, I believe that he will preside over the greatest transfer of wealth in American history and the top 1% will be the beneficiaries.

Yeah, this is the part I have a problem with. The wealth isn't actually being transferred, the 1% (and 5% and 10% and lower) already have it. It's about the % of their income that they get to keep. This is the sort of thing that Dems say to the Great Unwashed to get their votes, along with "THE RICH AREN'T PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE!" (which is only correct in an ironic sense, as they over-pay, relative to others, at least in terms of current income.) It's not the "poor" that would get screwed, it's the middle to upper middle class.

As far as wealth transfers we've transferred over $22 TRILLION in the "War on Poverty" - which should really be called the "War on Taxpayers" - and we have more poor people than ever.

Quote from: TomT on October 18, 2017, 09:24:36 AM

It's a pity that people are forced to relocate to keep more of the assets that they worked for and deserve to keep.

And that's why it's not Trump. If I can move and completely ameliorate the effect of Trump's tax plan, as proposed, then it's not Trump, it's the confiscatory tax policies of Northeastern states.

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2017, 10:30:24 AM

(and it's more probably that B/B was already contemplating leaving the socialist "utopia" of New York, where those who work hard and achieve something must pay for those who don't)

I don't live in NYC, just one of its nearby, wholly-owned subsidiaries. But you are correct, the move has been under consideration for some time.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 18, 2017, 02:47:36 PM

Of course he was not being heartless!

He was telling the widow that he understood that the dead man had died doing what he chose to do. That's IMHO a pretty honorable way to go.

Of course he knew what he was doing and, as a result of what he was doing his wife and family will be pretty well looked after for the rest of the wife's life and the kids until adulthood. It is almost certain, because that's how it is, that there was no other occupation that could have given the family what they had.

Is pretty much a given that the people in the military, volunteers all, know that they risk death as a result but it is not the most risky of occupations. Trump was telling the woman that he knew what she knew.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on October 18, 2017, 03:54:46 PM

Channel 4 uk - Trump & Russia, sex, spies & scandal.

The title already suggests the programmes designed to pad out the anti Trump wank material for the likes of Moby & Ste but they might have tried to be impartial. I’m sitting here, open to learning all about Trump then googled every single person interviewed.

We’re talking Russian journalists making up the Putin opposition, politicians sacked by Trump and even Hilary Clinton.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Trumps no clean tattie but FFS, hang him for crimes committed rather than telling bed time stories with an agenda. It’s way to transparent but I bet the Mobys/Stes of the world get wet at the prospect.

Way to easy, way to sad & disrepectful to those of us with a brain. I laughed whilst imagining a similar Clinton witch hunt....oh yea they wouldn’t.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2017, 04:46:32 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 18, 2017, 02:47:36 PM

Of course he was not being heartless!

He was telling the widow that he understood that the dead man had died doing what he chose to do. That's IMHO a pretty honorable way to go.

Of course he knew what he was doing and, as a result of what he was doing his wife and family will be pretty well looked after for the rest of the wife's life and the kids until adulthood. It is almost certain, because that's how it is, that there was no other occupation that could have given the family what they had.

Is pretty much a given that the people in the military, volunteers all, know that they risk death as a result but it is not the most risky of occupations. Trump was telling the woman that he knew what she knew.

He was admiring the bravery of the soldier:

President Trump to the widow of Sgt Johnson

"They know the risk, they know what they sign up for but they still volunteer to put their lives on the line for their fellow Americans. We owe them a debt that can never be repaid."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2017, 04:57:34 PM

Quote from: rosco on October 18, 2017, 03:54:46 PM

Channel 4 uk - Trump & Russia, sex, spies & scandal.

The title already suggests the programmes designed to pad out the anti Trump wank material for the likes of Moby & Ste but they might have tried to be impartial. I’m sitting here, open to learning all about Trump then googled every single person interviewed.

We’re talking Russian journalists making up the Putin opposition, politicians sacked by Trump and even Hilary Clinton.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Trumps no clean tattie but FFS, hang him for crimes committed rather than telling bed time stories with an agenda. It’s way to transparent but I bet the Mobys/Stes of the world get wet at the prospect.

Way to easy, way to sad & disrepectful to those of us with a brain. I laughed whilst imagining a similar Clinton witch hunt....oh yea they wouldn’t.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/18/obama-russia-uranium-deal-corruption-probe-senate-judiciary-committee/amp/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2017, 05:02:45 PM

Rosco,

The mainstream media will not cover Mueller being busted covering for Hillary but eventually it's coming out and then they may have to.

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/robert-mueller-accused-providing-cover-clinton-fbi-director

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on October 18, 2017, 05:17:08 PM

The markets keep hitting new highs. Tomorrow is the 30th anniversary of Black Monday when the Dow lost nearly 1/4 of its value. When the bear markets come over the financial landscape, then is the time to pick up the bargains. :king: Being a contrarian investor sometimes pays off big. :money:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 18, 2017, 05:26:32 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 18, 2017, 09:24:36 AM

If the Donald is consistent with his character traits, I believe that he will preside over the greatest transfer of wealth in American history and the top 1% will be the beneficiaries.

How do you expect this to happen?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 18, 2017, 05:29:42 PM

FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama administration
approved controversial nuclear deal with Moscow

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 18, 2017, 05:41:22 PM

Newsweek has joined the insane wishful liberals coming up with
scenarios less likely than winning the lottery 5 days in a row.

HOW HILLARY CLINTON STILL CAN, AND SHOULD, BECOME PRESIDENT AFTER
THE TRUMP-RUSSIA INVESTIGATION
http://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-president-lawrence-lessig-post-686077

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2017, 05:44:46 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 18, 2017, 05:29:42 PM

FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama administration
approved controversial nuclear deal with Moscow

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

And Mueller is the one who gave her cover, as I posted above.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 18, 2017, 06:48:53 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2017, 05:44:46 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 18, 2017, 05:29:42 PM
FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama administration
approved controversial nuclear deal with Moscow

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

And Mueller is the one who gave her cover, as I posted above.

It's becoming very clear to why those involved in committing actual crimes have tried so desperately to find dirt on Trump.
I'm going to remain hopeful that Hillary and company will be brought up on charges .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2017, 07:14:01 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 18, 2017, 06:48:53 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2017, 05:44:46 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on October 18, 2017, 05:29:42 PM
FBI uncovered Russian bribery plot before Obama administration
approved controversial nuclear deal with Moscow

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/355749-fbi-uncovered-russian-bribery-plot-before-obama-administration

And Mueller is the one who gave her cover, as I posted above.

It's becoming very clear to why those involved in committing actual crimes have tried so desperately to find dirt on Trump.
I'm going to remain hopeful that Hillary and company will be brought up on charges.

:thumbsup:

You, I and 62 Million Americans who voted for President Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2017, 09:56:46 PM

The man who wrote this article is a real journalist, unlike those populating the MSM.

http://prepareforchange.net/2017/09/11/navy-releases-mccains-records-mccain-was-personally-responsible-for-the-deadliest-fire-in-the-history-of-the-us-navy/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 18, 2017, 10:09:59 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 18, 2017, 05:26:32 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 18, 2017, 09:24:36 AM
If the Donald is consistent with his character traits, I believe that he will preside over the greatest transfer of wealth in American history and the top 1% will be the beneficiaries.

How do you expect this to happen?

Despite the BS on the White House web site, I believe that Trump will support a plan that benefits himself, and billionaires like him, irrespective of the eventual costs to the country. As it stands, the "framework" may be too revenue negative to pass but this could be corrected by walking back the already minimal tax relief for the middle class. We'll know the deal soon enough... probably after it's enacted.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/09/27/unified-framework-fixing-our-broken-tax-code

"Fixing our broken tax code" is a slogan that will surely resonate with with those who believe that Trump gives a damn about them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 18, 2017, 10:11:25 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2017, 09:56:46 PM

The man who wrote this article is a real journalist.

http://prepareforchange.net/2017/09/11/navy-releases-mccains-records-mccain-was-personally-responsible-for-the-deadliest-fire-in-the-history-of-the-us-navy/

Here is an article from 2008 you might also enjoy.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/make-believe-maverick-20081016

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 18, 2017, 10:47:24 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 18, 2017, 12:13:13 PM

As far as wealth transfers we've transferred over $22 TRILLION in the "War on Poverty" - which should really be called the "War on Taxpayers" - and we have more poor people than ever.

It doesn't sound so bad when one considers that it covers 50 years. That figure exceeds our current 20T national debt and requires us to believe that we have given the house to the poor and that we were able to cover the cost of fifty years of war with current revenues. I have difficulty believing that.

Oh, nevermind. I see where that number came from: The Heritage Foundation, The National Center for Policy Analysis and The Washington Times.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2017, 10:50:02 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 18, 2017, 10:09:59 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 18, 2017, 05:26:32 PM
Quote from: TomT on October 18, 2017, 09:24:36 AM
If the Donald is consistent with his character traits, I believe that he will preside over the greatest transfer of wealth in American history and the top 1% will be the beneficiaries.

How do you expect this to happen?

Despite the BS on the White House web site, I believe that Trump will support a plan that benefits himself, and billionaires like him, irrespective of the eventual costs to the country. As it stands, the "framework" may be too revenue negative to pass but this could be corrected by walking back the already minimal tax relief for the middle class. We'll know the deal soon enough... probably after it's enacted.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/09/27/unified-framework-fixing-our-broken-tax-code

"Fixing our broken tax code" is a slogan that will surely resonate with with those who believe that Trump gives a damn about them.

Unbelievable. The man who says he tripled his money due to Obama's record breaking QE and debt now claims he's concerned about "eventual costs to the country".

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

As usual the hypocrisy and two-faced behavior of those on the left knows no boundaries.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2017, 11:08:41 PM

Meanwhile NFL stadiums are half empty. Hollywood has been exposed as the ultimate hypocrites which they are. I'm getting exhausted from all this winning! ????????

https://www.hannity.com/content/2017-10-16-game-over-empty-stadiums-stun-nfl-owners-over-the-weekend/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 19, 2017, 12:20:15 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 18, 2017, 10:47:24 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 18, 2017, 12:13:13 PM
As far as wealth transfers we've transferred over $22 TRILLION in the "War on Poverty" - which should really be called the "War on Taxpayers" - and we have more poor people than ever.

It doesn't sound so bad when one considers that it covers 50 years. That figure exceeds our current 20T national debt and requires us to believe that we have given the house to the poor and that we were able to cover the cost of fifty years of war with current revenues. I have difficulty believing that.

Oh, nevermind. I see where that number came from: The Heritage Foundation, The National Center for Policy Analysis and The Washington Times.

It's a fcuk-ton of money. For a problem that never gets better.

I'm fine to wait and see on the tax reform bill. It's got to get through the Congress in any case.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on October 19, 2017, 03:57:08 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 18, 2017, 05:02:45 PM

Rosco,

The mainstream media will not cover Mueller being busted covering for Hillary but eventually it's coming out and then they may have to.

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/robert-mueller-accused-providing-cover-clinton-fbi-director

I still doubt whether they will want to. Documentaries & "news" has been served on a plate to indoctrinate rather than educate and it seems to be getting worse as far as I'm concerned.

Many people simply aren't interested enough or don't have time to dig deeper, so they take these versions of events as gospel. Most will think that if the BBC or C4 are reporting as such, it must be true.

Another thing that annoyed me last night, was the amount of unsubstantiated sweeping statements and outrageous accusations made, but then quietly mentioning after the storm that nobody would come forward to confirm it. So why say it - it simply sounds like school yard gossip!! And every time someone like Hilary or Putins opponents said something scandalous, you could see the excitement on the journalists face.

Well sad.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 19, 2017, 10:13:22 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 18, 2017, 10:09:59 PM

Despite the BS on the White House web site, I believe that Trump will support a plan that benefits himself, and billionaires like him, irrespective of the eventual costs to the country. As it stands, the "framework" may be too revenue negative to pass but this could be corrected by walking back the already minimal tax relief for the middle class. We'll know the deal soon enough... probably after it's enacted.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/09/27/unified-framework-fixing-our-broken-tax-code

"Fixing our broken tax code" is a slogan that will surely resonate with with those who believe that Trump gives a damn about them.

Tom,

They've never given a tax break for just the rich. They've raised taxes for just the
rich but they've never in history done, what you think they might do. Trump can't
dictate that some super narcissist tax law to be passed and then window dress it
up with flowery words so that others are fooled.

The GOP congress is lazy, spineless and unable to articulate and sell their own
ideas but they don't have a death wish. They wouldn't put forward a tax bill
that isn't an across the board cut.

No matter what tax is passed, the elected liberals have a mantra. It will be billed
as tax breaks for the rich on the backs of the poor. That is what their playbook
says and that's what they will say. They have said that about every tax cut in
the last 40 years (and it's been untrue every time).

It doesn't really matter if Trump cares about anyone or not. Reforming the tax
code is the right thing to do, whether they louse it up or not time will tell.
I predict across the board tax cuts with a healthy helping of louses.

GOP Congress
(https://typeset-beta.imgix.net/elite-daily/2015/10/06060645/EliteDaily_MelsThatGirl_LazySundays.jpg)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 19, 2017, 10:45:28 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 18, 2017, 10:47:24 PM

It doesn't sound so bad when one considers that it covers 50 years. That figure exceeds our current 20T national debt and requires us to believe that we have given the house to the poor and that we were able to cover the cost of fifty years of war with current revenues. I have difficulty believing that.

Oh, nevermind. I see where that number came from: The Heritage Foundation, The National Center for Policy Analysis and The Washington Times.

WARNING: Bills soapbox speech

There are 92 poverty programs
5 Cash aid programs
28 Education and job training programs
2 Energy programs
17 Food aid programs
8 Health care programs
22 Housing programs and
8 Social Services programs and
2 Veterans   poverty programs
TOTALS    92   ₁

They just throw money at it.

The problem is that they got 92 programs none of which have any
accountability or a yard stick for success. They are a tangled, impossible
to navigate, patchwork, overlapping, uncoordinated and untouchable
bureaucratic fiefdoms.

There should be ONE (1) poverty program, with ONE (1) poverty secretary
and every year he should have to go in front of Congress and TV cameras
and explain how many people he got out of poverty, with all the taxpayer
money he spent.

We've tried throwing money at poverty without a plan and without any
measuring sticks for 50 years. It didn't work. Anyone who wants to continue
along these lines could seriously be questioned if they actually want to reduce
poverty or to perpetuate it for political gain.

1. https://budget.house.gov/initiatives/war-on-poverty/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 19, 2017, 03:07:59 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 19, 2017, 10:13:22 AM

Trump can't dictate that some super narcissist tax law to be passed and then window dress it
up with flowery words so that others are fooled.

Why not? The BS rhetoric on the White House site laments the 20T national debt and Trump's budget adds to it. For a good laugh, look at table S-1; the outlays outpace even the unrealistic projections for receipts until 2027. This assumes that no new unavoidable expenses crop up... such as a wall or a bailout for his children.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 19, 2017, 03:12:07 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 19, 2017, 10:45:28 AM

https://budget.house.gov/initiatives/war-on-poverty/

I agree: if people are fit enough to do handstands on skateboards, they are fit enough to get a job and stop being a burden on taxpayers. Right, ANT?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 19, 2017, 06:36:04 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 19, 2017, 03:12:07 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 19, 2017, 10:45:28 AM
https://budget.house.gov/initiatives/war-on-poverty/

I agree: if people are fit enough to do handstands on skateboards, they are fit enough to get a job and stop being a burden on taxpayers. Right, ANT?

I though we discussed this. The topic of this thread is President Trump. Either go on a date with him already or stop with the sniper routine.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 19, 2017, 06:57:46 PM

First look at 8 prototypes of Trump's 'big, beautiful' border wall

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/19/first-look-at-8-prototypes-trumps-big-beautiful-border-wall.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 19, 2017, 07:58:26 PM

FBI Informant "Threatened" After Offering Details Linking Clinton Foundation to Russian Bribery Case

http://russia-insider.com/en/fbi-informant-threatened-after-offering-details-linking-clinton-foundation-russian-bribery-case

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 19, 2017, 10:32:08 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 19, 2017, 10:13:22 AM

They've never given a tax break for just the rich.

You may be right about that. I thought that the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981, during the Reagan administration, did just that but my memory was faulty. Reviewing the marginal tax rates for 1981 and 1982 shows that a family with an income of 1M saved 200K in taxes, a family with an income of 100K saved 14K in taxes and a family with an income of 10K saved $200 in taxes.

For a point of reference, 200K bought a very nice home in 1982, 14K could put you in a new Oldsmobile 98 and $200 got you a pretty good television set. It's just as well; family number three didn't have enough income to pay the taxes on a 200K home anyway.

https://files.taxfoundation.org/legacy/docs/fed_individual_rate_history_nominal.pdf

The tax cuts probably had nothing to do with the subsequent national debt issues, the savings and loan failures, the unemployment problems and the stock market crash of 1987. It was just Reagan's bad luck that those things occurred during his watch.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 19, 2017, 11:16:52 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 19, 2017, 10:32:08 PM

The tax cuts probably had nothing to do with the subsequent national debt issues....

Riiiiight. Because debt is caused by not TAXING ourselves enough as opposed to over-spending.

Quote from: TomT on October 19, 2017, 10:32:08 PM

the savings and loan failures

Tell us how the tax cuts caused the S&L failures.

Quote from: TomT on October 19, 2017, 10:32:08 PM

the unemployment problems

Unemployment was 7.5% on inauguration day in 1981, and 5.4% when he left office, a decline of 28%. Fine by me. It did rise in the economic trough of 1982, but Reagan came into office in 1981 and had to have time to implement his program. What we were really seeing was the bottoming out of the Carter "Economic Miracle" /sarcasm.

Quote from: TomT on October 19, 2017, 10:32:08 PM

and the stock market crash of 1987. It was just Reagan's bad luck that those things occurred during his watch.

Tell us how the TAX CUTS caused Black Monday. As opposed to program trading, an illiquidity problem and market psychology (i.e. everyone heading for the exits.)

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 20, 2017, 08:38:01 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 19, 2017, 11:16:52 PM

Riiiiight. Because debt is caused by not TAXING ourselves enough as opposed to over-spending.

It doesn't matter whether there is a shortfall in revenues or excessive spending, the result is the same. The Economic Recovery Act was a failure.

Quote from: B.B. on October 19, 2017, 11:16:52 PM

Tell us how the tax cuts caused the S&L failures.

Insufficient regulation may have contributed to it but I suspect that the faltering economy led to more mortgage defaults than normal.

Quote from: B.B. on October 19, 2017, 11:16:52 PM

Unemployment was 7.5% on inauguration day in 1981, and 5.4% when he left office, a decline of 28%. Fine by me. It did rise in the economic trough of 1982, but Reagan came into office in 1981 and had to have time to implement his program. What we were really seeing was the bottoming out of the Carter "Economic Miracle" /sarcasm.

... and yet Trump takes credit for the recent stock market gains and his athletic supporters are elated.

Quote from: B.B. on October 19, 2017, 11:16:52 PM

Tell us how the TAX CUTS caused Black Monday. As opposed to program trading, an illiquidity problem and market psychology (i.e. everyone heading for the exits.)

Perhaps investors finally realized that Reagan had paved the road to hell.

The similarities between 1981 and 2017 are striking, at least to me. In both cases, we had a brain-dead president with a brilliant plan to save the country. The current president has an advantage: history. He isn't too good with history, though; he doesn't even remember his criticism of Reagan's policies. Now he is working toward implementing similar policies. Perhaps Trump is funneling arms to Iran at this very moment.

Having written the above, I concede that I have no training in economics. I wish that our self-proclaimed expert would weigh in and show us how much that he knows.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 20, 2017, 09:33:42 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2017, 08:38:01 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 19, 2017, 11:16:52 PM
Riiiiight. Because debt is caused by not TAXING ourselves enough as opposed to over-spending.
It doesn't matter whether there is a shortfall in revenues or excessive spending, the result is the same. The Economic Recovery Act was a failure.

Debt is caused by over-spending. If I spend more than I earn, I can hardly say, "My boss is a mean guy who won't pay me enough to cover my spending!"

Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2017, 08:38:01 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 19, 2017, 11:16:52 PM
Tell us how the tax cuts caused the S&L failures.

Insufficient regulation may have contributed to it but I suspect that the faltering economy led to more mortgage defaults than normal.

So it went from causing it to being a second-tier factor brought on by the failed Carter economy. Once the Reagan program was put in place and started working, we had unprecedented economic growth for years, aka the "Reagan Boom" until Mr. Read My Lips ended it by raising taxes.

The cause of the S&L crisis was de-regulation (not always a bad thing, but in this case yes) + lax oversight + corruption, so your "Oh, but the tax cuts RUINED EVERYTHING" is a load of horse plop. Oh, and the corruption? Let's have a peek at who the Keating Five were : 4 Dems and the Left's favorite Republican, John McCain.

Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2017, 08:38:01 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 19, 2017, 11:16:52 PM
Unemployment was 7.5% on inauguration day in 1981, and 5.4% when he left office, a decline of 28%. Fine by me. It did rise in the economic trough of 1982, but Reagan came into office in 1981 and had to have time to implement his program. What we were really seeing was the bottoming out of the Carter "Economic Miracle" /sarcasm.

... and yet Trump takes credit for the recent stock market gains and his athletic supporters are elated.

I'm sorry, we were discussing your allegation of an "unemployment problem" with Reagan. I can only assume that you realized that that is unsupported by the facts and thus the SWERVE! to "But TRUUUUUUUUMP!"

Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2017, 08:38:01 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 19, 2017, 11:16:52 PM
Tell us how the TAX CUTS caused Black Monday. As opposed to program trading, an illiquidity problem and market psychology (i.e. everyone heading for the exits.)

Perhaps investors finally realized that Reagan had paved the road to hell.

LOL. Pure fantasy. The only thing that Reagan paved the path to was Economic Prosperity and Victory in the Cold War (sorry for our "Russian Partisan, Western Division" folks on the board, but if anyone wants to argue the matter, they can start by pointing where the USSR is on the map.)

Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2017, 08:38:01 AM

The similarities between 1981 and 2017 are striking, at least to me. In both cases, we had a brain-dead president with a brilliant plan to save the country.

You realize that I do have some difficulty taking this sort of "But...but....but I just HATE the guy!" argument seriously. It's perfectly ok to dislike Trump or Reagan or Carter or Obama, but that dislike is not a rational basis for argument.

Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2017, 08:38:01 AM

Having written the above, I concede that I have no training in economics.

Don't worry; I knew.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 20, 2017, 10:59:19 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 20, 2017, 09:33:42 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2017, 08:38:01 AM
Quote from: B.B. on October 19, 2017, 11:16:52 PM
Riiiiight. Because debt is caused by not TAXING ourselves enough as opposed to over-spending.
It doesn't matter whether there is a shortfall in revenues or excessive spending, the result is the same. The Economic Recovery Act was a failure.

Debt is caused by over-spending. If I spend more than I earn, I can hardly say, "My boss is a mean guy who won't pay me enough to cover my spending!"

Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2017, 08:38:01 AM
Quote from: B.B. on October 19, 2017, 11:16:52 PM
Tell us how the tax cuts caused the S&L failures.

Insufficient regulation may have contributed to it but I suspect that the faltering economy led to more mortgage defaults than normal.

So it went from causing it to being a second-tier factor brought on by the failed Carter economy. Once the Reagan program was put in place and started working, we had unprecedented economic growth for years, aka the "Reagan Boom" until Mr. Read My Lips ended it by raising taxes.

The cause of the S&L crisis was de-regulation (not always a bad thing, but in this case yes) + lax oversight + corruption, so your "Oh, but the tax cuts RUINED EVERYTHING" is a load of horse plop. Oh, and the corruption? Let's have a peek at who the Keating Five were : 4 Dems and the Left's favorite Republican, John McCain.

Worth noting is Reagan did not really enter foreign military adventures, except he went to some island in the Carib and briefly was involved in the Lebanon civil war. I suspect he and his advisors recalling the lessons of Vietnam decided lets bail while we can. He did ask Mr. Gorbachev to remove a wall.

The reality was during the 8 years of G. W. Bush deregulation went from a principle to a religion. To blame the sub-prime debacle on R. Reagan is not fair. The deregulation of the banking industry disappeared for all practical purposes under G.W. This allowed the sub-prime debacle which rippled through the worlds banking industry and economies.

Further with Bush the US is deep in the cow patties of two wars in the 'Middle East', one of the prime reasons the United States spent far more debt than it could afford. Obama it seems only made matters worse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 20, 2017, 11:50:19 AM

Americans don’t give Trump enough respect | New York Pos

thttp://nypost.com/2017/10/20/putin-americans-dont-give-trump-enough-respect/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 20, 2017, 02:51:29 PM

Looking back Obama may have been a better choice than McCain. Moving forward the republican party needs to silence McCain, he is just too anti Trump.

John McCain - Profile In Treason

http://russia-insider.com/en/john-mccain-profile-treason/ri21293

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 20, 2017, 03:59:53 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 20, 2017, 09:33:42 AM

I'm sorry, we were discussing...

No, you are not sorry and this isn't a discussion; this is a histrionic, and very creative, paraphrasing session.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 20, 2017, 04:56:06 PM

Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2017, 03:59:53 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 20, 2017, 09:33:42 AM
I'm sorry, we were discussing...

No, you are not sorry and this isn't a discussion; this is a histrionic, and very creative, paraphrasing session.

There's a lot of you making claims and then changing the subject when they don't hold up to scrutiny....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 20, 2017, 09:10:02 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 20, 2017, 04:56:06 PM

There's a lot of you making claims and then changing the subject when they don't hold up to scrutiny....

You didn't bother to check the marginal tax rates in 1981 and 1982 to see if my figures were correct, did you? I made it easy to check by providing a link.

Quote from: TomT on October 19, 2017, 10:32:08 PM

You may be right about that. I thought that the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981, during the Reagan administration, did just that but my memory was faulty. Reviewing the marginal tax rates for 1981 and 1982 shows that a family with an income of 1M saved 200K in taxes, a family with an income of 100K saved 14K in taxes and a family with an income of 10K saved $200 in taxes.

For a point of reference, 200K bought a very nice home in 1982, 14K could put you in a new Oldsmobile 98 and $200 got you a pretty good television set. It's just as well; family number three didn't have enough income to pay the taxes on a 200K home anyway.

https://files.taxfoundation.org/legacy/docs/fed_individual_rate_history_nominal.pdf

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2017, 09:19:03 AM

President Trump to release secret files on JFK assassination.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/21/politics/trump-jfk-documents/index.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 21, 2017, 10:22:18 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2017, 09:10:02 PM

You didn't bother to check the marginal tax rates in 1981 and 1982 to see if my figures were correct, did you? I made it easy to check by providing a link.

You may be right about that. I thought that the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981, during the Reagan administration, did just that but my memory was faulty. Reviewing the marginal tax rates for 1981 and 1982 shows that a family with an income of 1M saved 200K in taxes, a family with an income of 100K saved 14K in taxes and a family with an income of 10K saved $200 in taxes.

For a point of reference, 200K bought a very nice home in 1982, 14K could put you in a new Oldsmobile 98 and $200 got you a pretty good television set. It's just as well; family number three didn't have enough income to pay the taxes on a 200K home anyway.

https://files.taxfoundation.org/legacy/docs/fed_individual_rate_history_nominal.pdf

In 1981
One family Paid $700K in taxes and the other paid $61K in taxes.
How was anything unfair about the tax cuts? Nobody can justify taking
70% of a persons work or wages. It's morally repugnant, that boat has sailed.

There is no benefit of punishing high income earners except to make
those who make less feel better. There is no benefit to either the nation
or to tax revenues or anything else.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2017, 11:53:42 AM

Julian Assange releases passcodes to large trove of Hillary Clinton files.

http://joeforamerica.com/2017/10/fearing-death-wikileaks-julian-assange-releases-password-to-large-cache-of-hillary-files/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 21, 2017, 03:39:56 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 21, 2017, 10:22:18 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2017, 09:10:02 PM

You didn't bother to check the marginal tax rates in 1981 and 1982 to see if my figures were correct, did you? I made it easy to check by providing a link.

You may be right about that. I thought that the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981, during the Reagan administration, did just that but my memory was faulty. Reviewing the marginal tax rates for 1981 and 1982 shows that a family with an income of 1M saved 200K in taxes, a family with an income of 100K saved 14K in taxes and a family with an income of 10K saved $200 in taxes.

For a point of reference, 200K bought a very nice home in 1982, 14K could put you in a new Oldsmobile 98 and $200 got you a pretty good television set. It's just as well; family number three didn't have enough income to pay the taxes on a 200K home anyway.

https://files.taxfoundation.org/legacy/docs/fed_individual_rate_history_nominal.pdf

In 1981
One family Paid $700K in taxes and the other paid $61K in taxes.
How was anything unfair about the tax cuts? Nobody can justify taking
70% of a persons work or wages. It's morally repugnant, that boat has sailed.

There is no benefit of punishing high income earners except to make
those who make less feel better. There is no benefit to either the nation
or to tax revenues or anything else.

Tom, I didn't need to check the rates because I knew what they were - what you did was pass along tax savings without any context as to relative rates. My father was a small businessman - so he got to pay DOUBLE the Social Security tax - who was getting raked by the Redistributionistas in government. Excessively high tax rates - or morally repugnant rates, as Bill refers to them - were a big contributing factor to the Economic Disaster that was the Carter Administration, resulting in the unceremonious and well deserved dumping of Jimmy "The Original Miserable Failure" Carter in favor of Reagan.

Why it is a mystery that people Who Actually Pay Taxes benefit the most from tax cuts is beyond me. That said, taking 70% of what someone earns and giving it to people who didn't earn it and don't deserve it is beyond the pale.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2017, 05:28:06 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 21, 2017, 03:39:56 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 21, 2017, 10:22:18 AM
Quote from: TomT on October 20, 2017, 09:10:02 PM

You didn't bother to check the marginal tax rates in 1981 and 1982 to see if my figures were correct, did you? I made it easy to check by providing a link.

You may be right about that. I thought that the Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981, during the Reagan administration, did just that but my memory was faulty. Reviewing the marginal tax rates for 1981 and 1982 shows that a family with an income of 1M saved 200K in taxes, a family with an income of 100K saved 14K in taxes and a family with an income of 10K saved $200 in taxes.

For a point of reference, 200K bought a very nice home in 1982, 14K could put you in a new Oldsmobile 98 and $200 got you a pretty good television set. It's just as well; family number three didn't have enough income to pay the taxes on a 200K home anyway.

https://files.taxfoundation.org/legacy/docs/fed_individual_rate_history_nominal.pdf

In 1981
One family Paid $700K in taxes and the other paid $61K in taxes.
How was anything unfair about the tax cuts? Nobody can justify taking
70% of a persons work or wages. It's morally repugnant, that boat has sailed.

There is no benefit of punishing high income earners except to make
those who make less feel better. There is no benefit to either the nation
or to tax revenues or anything else.

Tom, I didn't need to check the rates because I knew what they were - what you did was pass along tax savings without any context as to relative rates. My father was a small businessman - so he got to pay DOUBLE the Social Security tax - who was getting raked by the Redistributionistas in government. Excessively high tax rates - or morally repugnant rates, as Bill refers to them - were a big contributing factor to the Economic Disaster that was the Carter Administration, resulting in the unceremonious and well deserved dumping of Jimmy "The Original Miserable Failure" Carter in favor of Reagan.

Why it is a mystery that people Who Actually Pay Taxes benefits the most from tax cuts is beyond me. That said, taking 70% of what someone earns and giving it to people who didn't earn it and don't deserve it is beyond the pale.

B/B

When I was in college I worked for a company (who shall be unnamed here) who neglected to tell me they were going to 1099 me and what exactly that involved. Years later the IRS let me know that according to them I needed to pay into Social Security double the amount of Social Security tax as if I had been an actual employee. Fun, fun, fun.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2017, 05:48:22 PM

Jared Kushner causes conflict of interest for the White House.

https://steemit.com/breaking/@zanting/jared-kushner-employed-white-house-conflict-of-interest-while-bombing-syria-genie-energy-s-ira-greenstein

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 21, 2017, 07:00:50 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 21, 2017, 05:28:06 PM

When I was in college I worked for a company (who shall be unnamed here) who neglected to tell me they were going to 1099 me and what exactly that involved. Years later the IRS let me know that according to them I needed to pay into Social Security double the amount of Social Security tax as if I had been an actual employee. Fun, fun, fun.

That company might be liable for your Social Security and your taxes.
Companies don't really have the option of deciding to do something
without telling you. I always sign a independent contractor agreement
if they don't have something in place. I bought a do it yourself kit from
Nolo Press.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on October 21, 2017, 09:28:37 PM

Gosh, who would have thought that an independent contractor would have to pay the full amount of his employment taxes?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 22, 2017, 12:13:02 AM

Quote from: TomT on October 21, 2017, 09:28:37 PM

Gosh, who would have thought that an independent contractor would have to pay the full amount of his employment taxes?

Not getting a W2 at the beginning of the new year for last year's taxes paid should have been a clue that taxes hadn't been paid. Most employees are eager to get those because they need it to file a tax return and get their precious tax refund check. Almost everyone gets a refund. My oldest daughter usually gets about $5K and my youngest about $1500.

The "Self employment tax" also known as FICA or the Social Security tax is 15.3 %. It starts from dollar one with no exemptions. It is particularly harsh for people who are self employed that make little money. Make a measly $20K a year and then have to scrap up 3000 dollars plus is a tough thing to do. In Ant's case the IRS on purpose waited until he failed to file for two filing periods. This way they could hit him with a 50% penalty for 'failure to file' for the first year and for the second year if he happened to be self employed that year also.

When I went back to the US last year to clear up the mess with my ex-wife I also helped my brother with his tax problems. I organized his books for him. He needed to file a tax return and was in trouble because he hadn't. I found him a tax attorney and both of us consulted with him. Besides the knowledge gained from 25 years of self employment I learned of some of the inner workings of the IRS from this attorney. We were told about the IRS letting enough time to go by to get the 50% penalties for two years.

I talked with my brother about month ago to see how it was going with him. He is back to his old trick of ignoring the notices from the D.O.R. The Department of Revenue is from the States tax collection agencies. The IRS lets the States tax collecting agencies do most of the leg work for them. The IRS is so overworked and underfunded by the Republican Congress plus the burden of Obamacare that they have to oversee. Anyway my brother is so screwed. He is getting up there in years (53) and his body is going to give out from the hard manual labor he does (carpet, tile and linoleum). His employees he pays in cash because most of them have need to stay off the radar because of child support and also failure to file :D Eventually he won't be able to work and I don't think he'll get much from Social Security as he hasn't filed a tax return since 2001! :o :o :o :o It has been a year and a half since he was summoned into a conference room with 4 DOR investigators/auditors. Why they haven't thrown a net over him is beyond me. I don't feel sorry for him. He has always ran from his problems.

Meanwhile here is the view outside my balcony here in sunny Batumi.

(http://i.cubeupload.com/5yVwMx.jpg)

(http://i.cubeupload.com/8R5YVV.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 22, 2017, 08:20:30 PM

It looks like it is going to be 'TRUMP vs the IRS'

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/20/obamacare-battle-becomes-a-battle-of-trump-vs-the-irs-commentary.html?recirc=taboolainternal

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 22, 2017, 08:53:00 PM

Quote from: Maxx on October 22, 2017, 08:20:30 PM

It looks like it is going to be 'TRUMP vs the IRS'

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/20/obamacare-battle-becomes-a-battle-of-trump-vs-the-irs-commentary.html?recirc=taboolainternal

Mnuchin needs to start bitch-slapping MFers at IRS...starting with Lois Lerner.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 23, 2017, 12:04:02 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 22, 2017, 08:53:00 PM

Quote from: Maxx on October 22, 2017, 08:20:30 PM
It looks like it is going to be 'TRUMP vs the IRS'

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/20/obamacare-battle-becomes-a-battle-of-trump-vs-the-irs-commentary.html?recirc=taboolainternal

Mnuchin needs to start bitch-slapping MFers at IRS...starting with Lois Lerner.

B/B

He needs to scare them like they scare us.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 23, 2017, 12:07:29 AM

What do Russians think of Donald Trump?

Dima Vorobiev
Dima Vorobiev, I worked for Soviet propaganda
Updated Aug 17

(http://i.cubeupload.com/gajJ6q.png)

We love the man.

He shoots from the hip, he speaks his mind, he’s so genuine in his forceful, unflinching, well-articulated moronity. And at that, he’s so rich and successful! He’s immensely empowering for all morons in the world. Think what epic promise it brings for everyone who’s just a bit smarter than moron!

He defies political correctness. It feels so liberating to be shown the way back to the good old days where you felt free to loudly complain about too many dark-skinned guys loitering at the corner and too much space taken on the bus by wheelchairs.

He’s funny. There’s too little fun in politics.

He is the enemy of our enemies: Hillary, Obama, neocons, NATO, the whole bunch.
He hates liberals. We have few of them, but we hate them too. They are all Jews, and the US State Deparment pays their bills. Or CIA. Or Mossad. Awful, awful people.

He loves white man’s legacy. We are white men, too, and we are proud of it.

He has an awesome wife and even awesomer daughter. What he says of their resplendent bodies, that’s exactly what we think of them, too.

He has tons of respect for Putin. Beneath all that moronity he must be a very smart man indeed.
He believes in power, he loves to fire people, he appoints his family to whatever position is available around him, he values loyalty above skills. He would make a terrific boss in Gazprom, or Rosneft, or Sberbank.

We share his taste in interiors. If we live long enough with Putin, that’s how every home in Moscow is going to look like.

Trump Tower. I can’t say enoough how much we love towers. Small, or big, they are simply irresistible. You get the view, you have the place to hide when pillaging nomads come around, and no one is flipping cigarette butts on your head.

President Trump, ‘tis for thee!

(http://i.cubeupload.com/PKRGtI.png)

This is the photo of a seasoned and influential Russian politician who specializes in speaking from the depth of Russian psyche (never crossing Putin in the process). He and his aides celebrate the electoral victory of Donald Trump in 2016.

That’s the general mood in Putin’s Russia, and among many nationalist-minded Russians around the world. After months of Trump’s ineffectual presidency, this approval waned a bit, but didn’t die.

Title: This one is 100% on Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 23, 2017, 10:49:10 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 22, 2017, 08:53:00 PM

Quote from: Maxx on October 22, 2017, 08:20:30 PM
It looks like it is going to be 'TRUMP vs the IRS'

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/20/obamacare-battle-becomes-a-battle-of-trump-vs-the-irs-commentary.html?recirc=taboolainternal

Mnuchin needs to start bitch-slapping MFers at IRS...starting with Lois Lerner.

B/B

Trump is totally at fault on this one. He could have fired John Koskinen for destroying
hard drives and a thousand other things and his guy would be there but he kept another
Obama hold over along with over a hundred others.

Obama didn't keep W Bush hold overs, Clinton didn't keep George HW hold overs but Trump
has over a hundred clearly adversarial hold overs that want him to fail. Trump should have
fired all of them in January and there would have been 90% less leaks. If Trump is unable
to learn this lesson, hopefully the next Republican can. How many Obama hold overs are
going to bite him on the @ss before he gets it? All of them? I really thought he had better
instincts than this. NOBODY doing the job is better than somebody trying to f#ck it up.

Look he's got his finger on the problem.
(https://i.imgflip.com/1j8jq5.jpg)

An Obama holdover is undermining Pres. Trump's new Iran strategy
https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/an-obama-holdover-is-undermining-president-trumps-new-iran-strategy

Obama holdovers, vacancies remain at top levels of State Department
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/05/obama-holdovers-vacancies-remain-at-top-levels-state-department.html

Two Obama holdovers are sowing the seeds for another subprime collapse
http://nypost.com/2017/10/14/these-obama-appointees-could-cause-another-housing-collapse/

78 Obama appointees ‘burrowed’ into career jobs, watchdog finds
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/27/78-obama-appointees-burrowed-career-jobs-watchdog-/

Why Hasn't Trump Fired CFPB's Richard (Dickless) Cordray?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnberlau/2017/08/10/why-hasnt-trump-fired-cfpbs-cordray/#650ead0531d5

Why Trump Must Fire Obama Holdover Cordray
https://spectator.org/why-trump-must-fire-obama-holdover-cordray/

Obama holdover DEA chief to step down
The Obama-era holdover wrote an email to DEA staff last July, condemning Trump's comments
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-holdover-dea-chief-to-step-down/article/2635721

Holdovers Will Continue Obama’s Agenda Until Trump Puts His Foot Down
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/10/holdovers-will-continue-obamas-agenda-until-trump-puts-his-foot-down/

Obama holdovers are responsible for leaks
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/343873-scaramucci-obama-holdovers-are-responsible-for-leaks

Obama holdovers are slowing Trump's agenda in key agencies
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-holdovers-are-slowing-trumps-agenda-in-key-agencies/article/2634324

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 23, 2017, 11:24:06 AM

And now it’s claimed he forgot the dead soldier’s name in the call to his widow then tweets proudly he remembered it ‘without hesitation’ like he deserves a pat on the back for remembering a name which he probably didn’t anyway.

I would remember to call him moron without hesitation.

Unless its the Donald Swerve?

.

Title: Re: This one is 100% on Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2017, 01:27:20 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 23, 2017, 10:49:10 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 22, 2017, 08:53:00 PM
Quote from: Maxx on October 22, 2017, 08:20:30 PM
It looks like it is going to be 'TRUMP vs the IRS'

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/20/obamacare-battle-becomes-a-battle-of-trump-vs-the-irs-commentary.html?recirc=taboolainternal

Mnuchin needs to start bitch-slapping MFers at IRS...starting with Lois Lerner.

B/B

Trump is totally at fault on this one. He could have fired John Koskinen for destroying
hard drives and a thousand other things and his guy would be there but he kept another
Obama hold over along with over a hundred others.

Obama didn't keep W Bush hold overs, Clinton didn't keep George HW hold overs but Trump
has over a hundred clearly adversarial hold overs that want him to fail. Trump should have
fired all of them in January and there would have been 90% less leaks. If Trump is unable
to learn this lesson, hopefully the next Republican can. How many Obama hold overs are
going to bite him on the @ss before he gets it? All of them? I really thought he had better
instincts than this. NOBODY doing the job is better than somebody trying to f#ck it up.

Look he's got his finger on the problem.
(https://i.imgflip.com/1j8jq5.jpg)

An Obama holdover is undermining Pres. Trump's new Iran strategy
https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/an-obama-holdover-is-undermining-president-trumps-new-iran-strategy

Obama holdovers, vacancies remain at top levels of State Department
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/05/obama-holdovers-vacancies-remain-at-top-levels-state-department.html

Two Obama holdovers are sowing the seeds for another subprime collapse
http://nypost.com/2017/10/14/these-obama-appointees-could-cause-another-housing-collapse/

78 Obama appointees ‘burrowed’ into career jobs, watchdog finds
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/27/78-obama-appointees-burrowed-career-jobs-watchdog-/

Why Hasn't Trump Fired CFPB's Richard (Dickless) Cordray?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnberlau/2017/08/10/why-hasnt-trump-fired-cfpbs-cordray/#650ead0531d5

Why Trump Must Fire Obama Holdover Cordray
https://spectator.org/why-trump-must-fire-obama-holdover-cordray/

Obama holdover DEA chief to step down
The Obama-era holdover wrote an email to DEA staff last July, condemning Trump's comments
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-holdover-dea-chief-to-step-down/article/2635721

Holdovers Will Continue Obama’s Agenda Until Trump Puts His Foot Down
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/10/holdovers-will-continue-obamas-agenda-until-trump-puts-his-foot-down/

Obama holdovers are responsible for leaks
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/343873-scaramucci-obama-holdovers-are-responsible-for-leaks

Obama holdovers are slowing Trump's agenda in key agencies
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-holdovers-are-slowing-trumps-agenda-in-key-agencies/article/2634324

Agree 100% that Trump should have fired ALL Obama holdovers from day one. Then again I also believe he should part ways with his daughter Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner.

What do you think is holding him back from parting ways with Obama holdovers? Very puzzling.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/12/politics/jared-kushner-background-check-form/index.html

Title: Re: This one is 100% on Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 23, 2017, 01:51:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 23, 2017, 01:27:20 PM

What do you think is holding him back from parting ways with Obama holdovers? Very puzzling.

I can answer that question.

The slow pace of Senate confirmations is the cause.

The Democrats are dragging their feet with virtually every department head that needs confirmation for that very purpose. They're not going to fire somebody who knows how to do the job until his boss is put in place and the Senate controls the pace of how fast that is happening. It's part of their "resist" strategy and it is actually working as planned for them. As of August 3, Trump had less that 1/2 of his nominations confirmed as his three predecessors. I know for a fact they're still doing the confirmation for under-secretaries and department heads in the Agriculture Department as we speak.

Myself? I'm headed for 3 days of Capital Hill lobbying meetings in Washington DC starting tomorrow morning. I'll actually be having dinner with Sonny Perdue Tuesday night.

Title: Re: This one is 100% on Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2017, 04:36:21 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 23, 2017, 01:51:28 PM

Myself? I'm headed for 3 days of Capital Hill lobbying meetings in Washington DC starting tomorrow morning. I'll actually be having dinner with Sonny Perdue Tuesday night.

Congratulations. I had to look him up. He was previously a Veterinarian. Based on that I believe he must be a good human being. Let us know how it goes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2017, 04:50:48 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 17, 2017, 05:55:24 PM

What chart?
I don't need to look at a chart to tell me that market prices, any market, are based upon the sentiments of market participants.

On any chart showing historical data you will see that significant changes (inflection points) are related to changes in the way that market participants valued the market in question. Those changes are based upon a reaction to events in the outside world.

Does not matter who owns the goods in question the buyer buys at a price because of his belief in the future value of the item. The sellers sells at the price because of his belief in the future of the item. This can be expressed in different words but the meaning will be pretty much the same.

In terms of stock markets in the US, prices are rising because buyers think that the future looks brighter now than it did yesterday. The single biggest change in the USA that correlates positively with the market indices is the Trump presidency. Of course there are a myriad of other perceptions in play accounting for smaller peaks and troughs but the large trend is IMHO driven by Trump's presence and positive sentiment about a Trump future. Think of it this way: it certainly isn't about the leadership of Obama or Clinton.

The "wizards of Wall Street" ie those who determine which direction the market will go and should go are experts at Psychology. As you wrote there are "myriad of other perceptions in play".

In most basic terms they see they have a Billionaire businessman with a good track record of building stuff on time and making a profit for his company. They see he has surrounded himself with people with very good minds for improving the economy. One of the first things President Trump did was he approved the Keystone pipeline. There's been many other good things done for the economy and in the works.

It's now been nearly a year since he won an historic election. It's easy to see that they are basing their opinion of where the market should be priced at on President Trump. Only the perennially obtuse would argue otherwise. What did you call it? Cognitive dissonance? :chuckle:

(https://pics.me.me/dow-closes-at-all-time-high-31st-record-high-in-2017-26604324.png)

(https://pics.me.me/the-stock-market-will-collapse-if-trump-wins-the-presidency-24225994.png)

(https://pics.me.me/the-stock-market-will-collaps-if-trump-wins-the-presidency-25418588.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2017, 05:24:42 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 23, 2017, 11:24:06 AM

And now it’s claimed he forgot the dead soldier’s name in the call to his widow then tweets proudly he remembered it ‘without hesitation’ like he deserves a pat on the back for remembering a name which he probably didn’t anyway.

I would remember to call him moron without hesitation.

Unless its the Donald Swerve?

You've got 7 years and about 3 months to go. Enjoy! :-*

(https://pics.me.me/states-where-donald-trump-is-president-despite-historic-democrat-obstructionism-26950907.png)

Title: Re: This one is 100% on Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 23, 2017, 11:27:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 23, 2017, 01:51:28 PM

I can answer that question.

The slow pace of Senate confirmations is the cause.

The Democrats are dragging their feet with virtually every department head that needs confirmation for that very purpose. They're not going to fire somebody who knows how to do the job until his boss is put in place and the Senate controls the pace of how fast that is happening. It's part of their "resist" strategy and it is actually working as planned for them. As of August 3, Trump had less that 1/2 of his nominations confirmed as his three predecessors. I know for a fact they're still doing the confirmation for under-secretaries and department heads in the Agriculture Department as we speak.

Myself? I'm headed for 3 days of Capital Hill lobbying meetings in Washington DC starting tomorrow morning. I'll actually be having dinner with Sonny Perdue Tuesday night.

He should fire them anyway. If you were in a canoe and I was always paddling in
the exact wrong way or worst way, you wouldn't want me in your canoe even if I
was a very good paddler, actually you would want me out of the canoe because I
was very good a f#cking things up. Trump needs to do the same thing.

Title: Re: This one is 100% on Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 23, 2017, 11:34:29 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 23, 2017, 01:27:20 PM

Agree 100% that Trump should have fired ALL Obama holdovers from day one. Then again I also believe he should part ways with his daughter Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner.

What do you think is holding him back from parting ways with Obama holdovers? Very puzzling.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/12/politics/jared-kushner-background-check-form/index.html

Trump trusts his daughter and son in law even though their politics are closer
to Hillary's than his own. Ivanka is trying to sell the tax cut proposal.
But I agree that they should have only a photo op place in his administration.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 24, 2017, 01:52:01 AM

Quote from: Maxx on October 23, 2017, 12:07:29 AM

(http://i.cubeupload.com/PKRGtI.png)

This is the photo of a seasoned and influential Russian politician who specializes in speaking from the depth of Russian psyche (never crossing Putin in the process). He and his aides celebrate the electoral victory of Donald Trump in 2016.

That’s the general mood in Putin’s Russia, and among many nationalist-minded Russians around the world. After months of Trump’s ineffectual presidency, this approval waned a bit, but didn’t die.

What a crock of ***t ! Sorry, Maxx :chuckle:

That's a photo of the LDPR party's Zhironovsky - a long-term clown of RU politics. ( Most 'Nationalists' are but accidents of birth ) He's the politician - who when more Russian ladies were leaving to marry outside the FSU - suggested a dowry tax

The fawning admiration for 'Tramp' has gone, in Russia

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 24, 2017, 05:20:38 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 23, 2017, 11:24:06 AM

And now it’s claimed he forgot the dead soldier’s name in the call to his widow then tweets proudly he remembered it ‘without hesitation’ like he deserves a pat on the back for remembering a name which he probably didn’t anyway.

I would remember to call him moron without hesitation.

Unless its the Donald Swerve?

.

So you fell for that trump-is-stupid ploy, hook-line and sinker.

If you think about it, this case is a basic he-said-she-said case, where she said he was disrespectful and trump says he wasn't.

Without proof of either, I ignore this whole 'news' item and focus on the proven bits.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on October 24, 2017, 05:41:21 AM

Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2017, 05:20:38 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 23, 2017, 11:24:06 AM
And now it’s claimed he forgot the dead soldier’s name in the call to his widow then tweets proudly he remembered it ‘without hesitation’ like he deserves a pat on the back for remembering a name which he probably didn’t anyway.

I would remember to call him moron without hesitation.

Unless its the Donald Swerve?

.
So you fell for that trump-is-stupid ploy, hook-line and sinker.

If you think about it, this case is a basic he-said-she-said case, where she said he was disrespectful and trump says he wasn't.

Without proof of either, I ignore this whole 'news' item and focus on the proven bits.

But Ste's emotions cant stop him from devouring anything anti Trump, even if its made up. Shame really.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 24, 2017, 06:07:43 AM

Quote from: rosco on October 24, 2017, 05:41:21 AM

Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2017, 05:20:38 AM
Quote from: Ste on October 23, 2017, 11:24:06 AM
And now it’s claimed he forgot the dead soldier’s name in the call to his widow then tweets proudly he remembered it ‘without hesitation’ like he deserves a pat on the back for remembering a name which he probably didn’t anyway.

I would remember to call him moron without hesitation.

Unless its the Donald Swerve?

.
So you fell for that trump-is-stupid ploy, hook-line and sinker.

If you think about it, this case is a basic he-said-she-said case, where she said he was disrespectful and trump says he wasn't.

Without proof of either, I ignore this whole 'news' item and focus on the proven bits.

But Ste's emotions cant stop him from devouring anything anti Trump, even if its made up. Shame really.

Bit like you lot with Mobers, then!

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on October 24, 2017, 06:36:13 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2017, 06:07:43 AM

Quote from: rosco on October 24, 2017, 05:41:21 AM
Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2017, 05:20:38 AM
Quote from: Ste on October 23, 2017, 11:24:06 AM
And now it’s claimed he forgot the dead soldier’s name in the call to his widow then tweets proudly he remembered it ‘without hesitation’ like he deserves a pat on the back for remembering a name which he probably didn’t anyway.

I would remember to call him moron without hesitation.

Unless its the Donald Swerve?

.
So you fell for that trump-is-stupid ploy, hook-line and sinker.

If you think about it, this case is a basic he-said-she-said case, where she said he was disrespectful and trump says he wasn't.

Without proof of either, I ignore this whole 'news' item and focus on the proven bits.

But Ste's emotions cant stop him from devouring anything anti Trump, even if its made up. Shame really.

Bit like you lot with Mobers, then!

.

Eh no. If you care to read the rubbish that bloke squats out, it would be wrong not to challenge him.

Comparing us fact checking an unstable compulsive liar with someone soaking up every last piece of "Trump news", isn't even on the table.

Title: Re: This one is 100% on Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2017, 07:45:52 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 23, 2017, 11:34:29 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 23, 2017, 01:27:20 PM

Agree 100% that Trump should have fired ALL Obama holdovers from day one. Then again I also believe he should part ways with his daughter Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner.

What do you think is holding him back from parting ways with Obama holdovers? Very puzzling.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/12/politics/jared-kushner-background-check-form/index.html

Trump trusts his daughter and son in law even though their politics are closer
to Hillary's than his own. Ivanka is trying to sell the tax cut proposal.
But I agree that they should have only a photo op place in his administration.

So then keep his daughter but let Jared go. Jared made too many omissions on his initial security application which makes the President look bad.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 24, 2017, 08:46:18 AM

Now Senator Bob Corker is on my team! Go Bob!!

This is like Twelve Angry Men in reverse and I’m Henry Fonda and you’re all Lee J. Cobb!

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2017, 11:34:43 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2017, 08:46:18 AM

Now Senator Bob Corker is on my team! Go Bob!!

This is like Twelve Angry Men in reverse and I’m Henry Fonda and you’re all Lee J. Cobb!

Bob Corker is retiring next year. You better find another foil to admire.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2017, 11:59:54 AM

It must really suck for the DNC and Mueller when Jimmy Carter of all people destroys your phoney narrative.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5006503/amp/Carter-Reporters-harder-Trump-POTUS.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 24, 2017, 03:13:23 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2017, 11:34:43 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2017, 08:46:18 AM
Now Senator Bob Corker is on my team! Go Bob!!

This is like Twelve Angry Men in reverse and I’m Henry Fonda and you’re all Lee J. Cobb!

Bob Corker is retiring next year. You better find another foil to admire.

Jeff Flake has just applied but im not having a name like that on Team Ste.

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2017, 03:36:16 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2017, 03:13:23 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2017, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2017, 08:46:18 AM
Now Senator Bob Corker is on my team! Go Bob!!

This is like Twelve Angry Men in reverse and I’m Henry Fonda and you’re all Lee J. Cobb!

Bob Corker is retiring next year. You better find another foil to admire.

Jeff Flake has just applied but im not having a name like that on Team Ste.

Flake is also resigning. He seen the writing on The Wall. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 24, 2017, 03:46:49 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2017, 03:36:16 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2017, 03:13:23 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2017, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2017, 08:46:18 AM
Now Senator Bob Corker is on my team! Go Bob!!

This is like Twelve Angry Men in reverse and I’m Henry Fonda and you’re all Lee J. Cobb!

Bob Corker is retiring next year. You better find another foil to admire.

Jeff Flake has just applied but im not having a name like that on Team Ste.

Flake is also resigning. He seen the writing on The Wall. :laugh:

Flake realizes that he wouldn't win the primary so he is putting the best face on it.

Another RINO gone. I can just feel America getting greater....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 24, 2017, 03:53:56 PM

Im running for the next POTUS, i will produce my US birth certificate in the next two weeks

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2017, 04:15:26 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 24, 2017, 03:46:49 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2017, 03:36:16 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2017, 03:13:23 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2017, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2017, 08:46:18 AM
Now Senator Bob Corker is on my team! Go Bob!!

This is like Twelve Angry Men in reverse and I’m Henry Fonda and you’re all Lee J. Cobb!

Bob Corker is retiring next year. You better find another foil to admire.

Jeff Flake has just applied but im not having a name like that on Team Ste.

Flake is also resigning. He seen the writing on The Wall. :laugh:

Flake realizes that he wouldn't win the primary so he is putting the best face on it.

Another RINO gone. I can just feel America getting greater....

B/B

Word! He’s trying to blame Trump for failing to properly represent his constituents.

Hopefully he and McCain will both be replaced by Republicans willing to be unified.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2017, 04:40:50 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 24, 2017, 03:46:49 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2017, 03:36:16 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2017, 03:13:23 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2017, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: Ste on October 24, 2017, 08:46:18 AM
Now Senator Bob Corker is on my team! Go Bob!!

This is like Twelve Angry Men in reverse and I’m Henry Fonda and you’re all Lee J. Cobb!

Bob Corker is retiring next year. You better find another foil to admire.

Jeff Flake has just applied but im not having a name like that on Team Ste.

Flake is also resigning. He seen the writing on The Wall. :laugh:

Flake realizes that he wouldn't win the primary so he is putting the best face on it.

Another RINO gone. I can just feel America getting greater....

B/B

“In corporate America, Flake's door code wouldn't work immediately after his announcement and security would have to walk him to his desk to pack up his sad little plant, Altoids, and name plate.” #hitthebricks #dontletthedoorhityou #exitviathedrain

Andrea Kaye, radio personality

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on October 24, 2017, 05:37:21 PM

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There is no benefit of punishing high income earners except to make
those who make less feel better. There is no benefit to either the nation
or to tax revenues or anything else.

The country has a so-called progressive tax system. So the higher income folks have to put out more than the lower income folks. it is the ones in the middle who often are the ones who get squeezed because their numbers make up most of the population. The ones in the middle most likely pay more (in aggregate sums of money) to tax collection than the very rich (since their numbers are very small). Unless you are going to get the ones at the lowest level or middle group to pay more, your only choice left are the ones at the top. The goal of the tax system is for a more equitable distribution of money among the populace. Whether this goal can be achieved is not the point, as the saying goes, "it is the thought that counts". Before the income tax laws were enacted, the gilded age saw barons and tycoons like Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Morgan. They did not have to worry about paying taxes on income. So they could freely spend their money on art, collectibles, land, estates, etc. and to be able to have their mark on many of the museum exhibits and hospital wings and PBS foundations and Newport, RI mansions that the "little people" could only dream about.

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Trump is totally at fault on this one. He could have fired John Koskinen for destroying
hard drives and a thousand other things and his guy would be there but he kept another
Obama hold over along with over a hundred others.

Too late for that. He is retiring next month. Some in Congress were looking to impeach him (that would be a first for the IRS). But as seen with others in that position when the Congressional hearings got too tough, all they had to do was resign and things cooled down quickly.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2016/12/07/house-says-no-to-renewed-efforts-to-impeach-irs-commissioner/#29e515771f3f

Note that the email retention policy was recently changed on IT systems (probably due to the above article).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 24, 2017, 06:08:43 PM

President Trump continues to keep his campaign promises.

Trump's refugee ban ends as executive order toughens vetting for 11 countries

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/24/trumps-refugee-ban-ends-but-tougher-vetting-rules-coming.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 24, 2017, 06:36:24 PM

Never would have guessed that one.

Clinton campaign, DNC paid for research that led to Russia dossier

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-campaign-dnc-paid-for-research-that-led-to-russia-dossier/2017/10/24/226fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html?utm_term=.676459d0bf46

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 24, 2017, 08:49:44 PM

Funny how 12 months later what was known and public is finally being recycled for the mass market. Washington Post knew about this before I did and yet now it became newsworthy?

So, how do they justify the lies they knowingly printed over the past months?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2017, 09:15:41 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 24, 2017, 08:49:44 PM

Funny how 12 months later what was known and public is finally being recycled for the mass market. Washington Post knew about this before I did and yet now it became newsworthy?

So, how do they justify the lies they knowingly printed over the past months?

I suspect the media and the deep state had a delusional fantasy that Trump would resign or be impeached.

It’s not happening so the tables are turned. Hillary is now under investigation, again. This time hopefully something will stick.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 25, 2017, 01:19:40 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 24, 2017, 09:15:41 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 24, 2017, 08:49:44 PM
Funny how 12 months later what was known and public is finally being recycled for the mass market. Washington Post knew about this before I did and yet now it became newsworthy?

So, how do they justify the lies they knowingly printed over the past months?

I suspect the media and the deep state had a delusional fantasy that Trump would resign or be impeached.

It’s not happening so the tables are turned. Hillary is now under investigation, again. This time hopefully something will stick.

To Ms. Teflon Ass, I doubt it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 25, 2017, 01:32:49 AM

Maybe there will be something in that JFK data dump tomorrow that will really shake up people under the deep state delusion? That is in my opinion the key to change. Trump needs to expose the deep state for what it is. I was never under that deep state delusion. I find it encouraging now that finally people are figuring things out. They are no longer able to be herded to think this way or that with Orwellian "stop think" words and expressions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 25, 2017, 02:34:41 AM

Some crackers here...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171025/13845c02f2b217d084a782767034d623.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171025/795d71687551c85a85450e5eb1ee2274.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171025/58ad2fc3df427e6982dec82485003fcb.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171025/787156e5f71c3a3697bac638d3a0e7b1.jpg)

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2017, 08:23:28 AM

That’s funny Ste but if you really knew anything about our Founding Fathers you would know they would be giving him thumbs up. Our current body of government is more tyrannical than King George so there ‘ya go.

Fusion GPS attempts to resist a Congressional subpoena. They’re trying to protect the identity of who financed the smear campaign (the phony dossier) against President Trump.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/fusion-gps-trump-russia-subpoena-bank-records-2017-10

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 25, 2017, 11:43:06 AM

I guess this is as good as any place, I find it hard to believe that this could happen, but. . .

Pussy Riot Protest at Trump Tower:

“We believe political prisoners and their protection are more important than the sexist bullshit people have been focused on”

by Jazz Monroe Associate Staff Writer

October 24 2017

Pussy Riot Protest at Trump Tower: Video

“We believe political prisoners and their protection are more important than the sexist bullshit people have been focused on”

"Pussy Riot descended on Trump Tower in New York yesterday to protest the detention of Ukrainian filmmaker Oleg Sentsov. Wearing their trademark balaclavas, Masha Alokhina and two unnamed members of the collective unfurled a banner reading “Free Sentsov” from a mezzanine. Watch a video below via the group’s Facebook. In the accompanying post, they declared support for Sentsov and anarchist Olexandr Kolchenko, saying, “We came to occupy Trump Tower to call attention to political prisoners. We believe that political prisoners and their protection are more important than the sexist bullshit that people have been focused on.”

The event follows a similar protest staged in Siberia this past August, when Pussy Riot members were briefly detained outside the detention center where Sentsov is serving a 20-year sentence for controversial terrorism charges. Kolchenko, an ecologist, was sentenced to 10 years as an accomplice to Sentsov."

From > https://pitchfork.com/news/pussy-riot-protest-at-trump-tower-video/ <

It is interesting that they are championing the cause Sentsov.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 25, 2017, 11:43:11 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 25, 2017, 08:23:28 AM

That’s funny Ste but if you really knew anything about our Founding Fathers you would know they would be giving him thumbs up. Our current body of government is more tyrannical than King George so there ‘ya go.

Fusion GPS attempts to resist a Congressional subpoena. They’re trying to protect the identity of who financed the smear campaign (the phony dossier) against President Trump.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/fusion-gps-trump-russia-subpoena-bank-records-2017-10

I didn't even know they were portraits of the founding fathers!

Was one of them Miles Standish? There's a place in Wigan called Standish - wonder if he came from there?

I'm off to Wikipaedia....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2017, 01:27:12 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 25, 2017, 11:43:11 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 25, 2017, 08:23:28 AM
That’s funny Ste but if you really knew anything about our Founding Fathers you would know they would be giving him thumbs up. Our current body of government is more tyrannical than King George so there ‘ya go.

Fusion GPS attempts to resist a Congressional subpoena. They’re trying to protect the identity of who financed the smear campaign (the phony dossier) against President Trump.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/fusion-gps-trump-russia-subpoena-bank-records-2017-10

I didn't even know they were portraits of the founding fathers!

Was one of them Miles Standish? There's a place in Wigan called Standish - wonder if he came from there?

I'm off to Wikipaedia....

I believe 3 out of 4 were founding fathers. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and I think Alexander Hamilton.

And then Andrew Jackson; not a Founding father but he is the famous General who beat the British in war of 1812. Also he was a political outsider like Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 25, 2017, 01:42:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 25, 2017, 01:27:12 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 25, 2017, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 25, 2017, 08:23:28 AM
That’s funny Ste but if you really knew anything about our Founding Fathers you would know they would be giving him thumbs up. Our current body of government is more tyrannical than King George so there ‘ya go.

Fusion GPS attempts to resist a Congressional subpoena. They’re trying to protect the identity of who financed the smear campaign (the phony dossier) against President Trump.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/fusion-gps-trump-russia-subpoena-bank-records-2017-10

I didn't even know they were portraits of the founding fathers!

Was one of them Miles Standish? There's a place in Wigan called Standish - wonder if he came from there?

I'm off to Wikipaedia....

I believe 3 out of 4 were founding fathers. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and I think Alexander Hamilton.

And then Andrew Jackson; not a Founding father but he is the famous General who beat the British in war of 1812. Also he was a political outsider like Trump.

You have them slightly out of order. From top to bottom:

Scowly Middle Finger Guy: Washington

Face Palm: Jackson

Jack Off Motion Guy: Jefferson

Shooting Himself in the Head Guy: Hamilton.

This sort of thing, while mildly clever, does reveal the Left as a bunch of bitter juveniles, what with their faggoty "#RESIST" nonsense, etc. It shows that the grownups are running the country, and the Left is in the best place for themelves: shut out of power and free to throw ragey, impotent tantrums.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2017, 01:48:56 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 25, 2017, 01:42:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 25, 2017, 01:27:12 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 25, 2017, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 25, 2017, 08:23:28 AM
That’s funny Ste but if you really knew anything about our Founding Fathers you would know they would be giving him thumbs up. Our current body of government is more tyrannical than King George so there ‘ya go.

Fusion GPS attempts to resist a Congressional subpoena. They’re trying to protect the identity of who financed the smear campaign (the phony dossier) against President Trump.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/fusion-gps-trump-russia-subpoena-bank-records-2017-10

I didn't even know they were portraits of the founding fathers!

Was one of them Miles Standish? There's a place in Wigan called Standish - wonder if he came from there?

I'm off to Wikipaedia....

I believe 3 out of 4 were founding fathers. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and I think Alexander Hamilton.

And then Andrew Jackson; not a Founding father but he is the famous General who beat the British in war of 1812. Also he was a political outsider like Trump.

You have them slightly out of order. From top to bottom:

Scowly Middle Finger Guy: Washington

Face Palm: Jackson

Jack Off Motion Guy: Jefferson

Shooting Himself in the Head Guy: Hamilton.

This sort of thing, while mildly clever, does reveal the Left as a bunch of bitter juveniles, what with their faggoty "#RESIST" nonsense, etc. It shows that the grownups are running the country, and the Left is in the best place for themelves: shut out of power and free to throw ragey, impotent tantrums.

B/B

Yes, I deliberately changed the order because I wanted to first focus on the Founding Fathers. In regards Hamilton I wasn’t 100% sure it was his portrait but the other 3 were easy. Most important one IMO being Jackson as he gave a more formidable British force a good ass whooping. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 25, 2017, 01:59:40 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 25, 2017, 01:48:56 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 25, 2017, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 25, 2017, 01:27:12 PM
Quote from: Ste on October 25, 2017, 11:43:11 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 25, 2017, 08:23:28 AM
That’s funny Ste but if you really knew anything about our Founding Fathers you would know they would be giving him thumbs up. Our current body of government is more tyrannical than King George so there ‘ya go.

Fusion GPS attempts to resist a Congressional subpoena. They’re trying to protect the identity of who financed the smear campaign (the phony dossier) against President Trump.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/fusion-gps-trump-russia-subpoena-bank-records-2017-10

I didn't even know they were portraits of the founding fathers!

Was one of them Miles Standish? There's a place in Wigan called Standish - wonder if he came from there?

I'm off to Wikipaedia....

I believe 3 out of 4 were founding fathers. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and I think Alexander Hamilton.

And then Andrew Jackson; not a Founding father but he is the famous General who beat the British in war of 1812. Also he was a political outsider like Trump.

You have them slightly out of order. From top to bottom:

Scowly Middle Finger Guy: Washington

Face Palm: Jackson

Jack Off Motion Guy: Jefferson

Shooting Himself in the Head Guy: Hamilton.

This sort of thing, while mildly clever, does reveal the Left as a bunch of bitter juveniles, what with their faggoty "#RESIST" nonsense, etc. It shows that the grownups are running the country, and the Left is in the best place for themelves: shut out of power and free to throw ragey, impotent tantrums.

B/B

Yes, I deliberately changed the order because I wanted to first focus on the Founding Fathers. In regards Hamilton I wasn’t 100% sure it was his portrait but the other 3 were easy. Most important one IMO being Jackson as he gave a more formidable British force a good ass whooping. :laugh:

With the help of the French! And we were fighting the Dutch at the time too. All it was was tea tax, big deal!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 25, 2017, 03:32:25 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 25, 2017, 01:42:20 PM

It shows that the grownups are running the country,

Hmm, your definition and mine as to what is 'grown up' seem to be at odds .. Has any of your esteemed leaders had such a turnover of staff?

He's proving to be as lousy a judge of character as those who voted for him...?;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 25, 2017, 05:38:52 PM

Mirror mirror on the wall who is the most guilty of all?
Everything president Trump said about crooked Hillary and company are pretty much all true. Wonder how the main stream media will be forced to finally telling the truth for a change?

Rand Paul: Rumors That Democrats Leaked Clinton Emails To WikiLeaks; Russians Were "Their Centrifuge

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/10/25/rand_paul_rumors_that_democrats_leaked_clinton_emails_to_wikileaks_russians_were_their_centrifuge.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2017, 06:01:22 PM

The focus of the Mueller investigation are the Podesta brothers and Manafort but not President Trump.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/10/24/hume_on_trump_dossier_clinton_russian_connections_tide_may_be_turning_on_trump_probe.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2017, 06:42:50 PM

So David Muir of abc World News Tonight did cover the dossier and acknowledged the Clinton campaign did pay for it at least in part. The original man who ordered the dossier I suspect was Jeb Bush.

They have not discussed the Clinton/Obama Uranium deal with Russia on MSM outlets yet, but it has been discussed by Fox News.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 26, 2017, 12:38:35 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 25, 2017, 01:59:40 PM

With the help of the French! And we were fighting the Dutch at the time too. All it was was tea tax, big deal!

The war of 1812 was a complicated ordeal. The British decided
to blockade the US ports to stop them from trading with the
French and forced American merchantmen on the ships
they captured into service in the Royal navy. The blockade
seriously hurt the US economy.

The USA decided to invade Canada and were very unsuccessful
(understatement of the year)

The British defeated the French and then concentrated their
efforts on the USA. They captured Washington DC burned
the Capital and the White House. American troops were able
to repulse British invasions in New York and Baltimore

The treaty of Ghent was signed but British forces in New Orleans
were unaware of it and they invaded.

Jackson somehow managed to defeat them in the battle of
New Orleans against all odds, then went on to become a
horrible president. He and Van Buren were instrumental
in throwing aside Indian treaties and annihilating them
especially the Cherokee.

That's a very short summary of the war of 1812. In all
conflicts there are different opinions and perspectives
on what happened.

Both the US and the British claimed victory and both
were correct and wrong. Eventually we became friendly
again.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2017, 07:27:03 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 26, 2017, 12:38:35 AM

Quote from: Ste on October 25, 2017, 01:59:40 PM
With the help of the French! And we were fighting the Dutch at the time too. All it was was tea tax, big deal!

The war of 1812 was a complicated ordeal. The British decided
to blockade the US ports to stop them from trading with the
French and forced American merchantmen on the ships
they captured into service in the Royal navy. The blockade
seriously hurt the US economy.

The USA decided to invade Canada and were very unsuccessful
(understatement of the year)

The British defeated the French and then concentrated their
efforts on the USA. They captured Washington DC burned
the Capital and the White House. American troops were able
to repulse British invasions in New York and Baltimore

The treaty of Ghent was signed but British forces in New Orleans
were unaware of it and they invaded.

Jackson somehow managed to defeat them in the battle of
New Orleans against all odds, then went on to become a
horrible president. He and Van Buren were instrumental
in throwing aside Indian treaties and annihilating them
especially the Cherokee.

That's a very short summary of the war of 1812. In all
conflicts there are different opinions and perspectives
on what happened.

Both the US and the British claimed victory and both
were correct and wrong. Eventually we became friendly
again.

Good summary Bill. I will only add that I believe the World would be a better place if we had not become allies. Let them lose the wars they started.

They might be speaking German now but would at least be driving on the right side of the road! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 26, 2017, 08:12:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2017, 07:27:03 AM

Good summary Bill. I will only add that I believe the World would be a better place if we had not become allies. Let them lose the wars they started.

They might be speaking German now but would at least be driving on the right side of the road! :laugh:

Everyone in Europe except the UK would be speaking Russian. I don't
think that anyone in the 1940's could successfully invade the UK.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 26, 2017, 08:18:00 AM

Gag order lifted: DOJ says informant can speak to Congress on Uranium One, Russia bribery case with Clinton links

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/26/gag-order-lifted-doj-says-informant-can-speak-to-congress-on-uranium-one-russia-bribery-case-with-clinton-links.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 26, 2017, 08:37:28 AM

The discredited "dossier" which is a dressed up name for a
salacious unconfirmed gossip report. They used the word dossier
so that it would sound more credible. It's like when they call
something a "white paper" my antenna goes up. If something
has any credibility they don't really need to call it a dossier or a
white paper do they?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2017, 08:51:21 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 26, 2017, 08:12:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2017, 07:27:03 AM
Good summary Bill. I will only add that I believe the World would be a better place if we had not become allies. Let them lose the wars they started.

They might be speaking German now but would at least be driving on the right side of the road! :laugh:

Everyone in Europe except the UK would be speaking Russian. I don't
think that anyone in the 1940's could successfully invade the UK.

Invade Malta first and then the U.K. would have fallen. The German “leader” wasn’t very good at listening to sound military strategies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2017, 08:52:42 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 26, 2017, 08:18:00 AM

Gag order lifted: DOJ says informant can speak to Congress on Uranium One, Russia bribery case with Clinton links.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/26/gag-order-lifted-doj-says-informant-can-speak-to-congress-on-uranium-one-russia-bribery-case-with-clinton-links.html

Juicy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2017, 08:57:25 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 26, 2017, 08:12:46 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2017, 07:27:03 AM
Good summary Bill. I will only add that I believe the World would be a better place if we had not become allies. Let them lose the wars they started.

They might be speaking German now but would at least be driving on the right side of the road! :laugh:

Everyone in Europe except the UK would be speaking Russian. I don't
think that anyone in the 1940's could successfully invade the UK.

PS...Thanks to Germany all of Western Europe did not fall to the Bolsheviks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2017, 11:55:52 AM

More winning! First Lady Melania cuts bloated budget for her office.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/20/melania-trump-cuts-bloated-first-lady-payroll-from-michelle-obama-days.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 26, 2017, 01:39:22 PM

Just reading the Trump interview transcripts, the man can barely speak English.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 26, 2017, 05:47:18 PM

Most of what is being said has been brought up before, only now the main stream media will have a much harder time trying to cover up Bill and Hillary's crooked dealings.

Would be icing on the cake if Obama somehow gets thrown into the sinking ship.

Hillary Clinton is right: We must get to the bottom of Russian influence buying, especially hers

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/25/hillary-clinton-is-right-must-get-to-bottom-russian-influence-buying-especially-hers.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 26, 2017, 08:53:00 PM

Quote from: Ste on October 26, 2017, 01:39:22 PM

Just reading the Trump interview transcripts, the man can barely speak English.

It's a New Yorker thing to not complete sentences if they sense the listener understands what they are trying to get across.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 27, 2017, 03:44:58 PM

This article is a couple years old so the amount of money the Clintons have accumulated would be even more.
The question is how many people give away large amounts of money without expectations of getting something in return?

41 years. $3 billion. Inside the Clinton donor network

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/clinton-money/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 28, 2017, 07:32:46 AM

Mueller probe into possible collusion with Russia nets first charges: report

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/28/mueller-russia-probe-reportedly-nets-first-charges.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 28, 2017, 12:52:09 PM

The funny think about the silly paper that Team DMC and Team Clinton funded
is that it didn't have any credibility. Nobody not even the nut job lefty nit wits
believed it. So they had to dress it up and get ex MI6 Christopher Steele to
put it in the proper format. Now even though it had no credibility, it had the
look of something that was semi official. So they put it in a nice binder and
named it a dossier. Oooooooooooooh that sounds official and maybe even
credible.

Still they had no takers so they told GOP war monger John McCain about having
damaging information about Trump. McCain can only get on the camera or get
fawning coverage when he hurts the GOP so he McCain leapt at the chance and
sent an aid oversees to pick it up, even though the report had been shopped
around all over Washington and John could have picked up a used copy in the
bathroom of any expensive restaurant in the capital that was frequented by
~~left wing yellow press~~ journalists.

Mental lightweight John McCain went running to the FBI with saliva dripping from
his lips like a Labrador puppy after a pork chop falls from the table. John McCain is
the Former Ranking Member on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and
Governmental Affairs’ Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, the Committee’s
chief investigative subcommittee.

I say former because he doesn't still have the chops to remain on those important
committees. The FBI couldn't NOT investigate (double negative, I know), so John
McCain was the patsy once again who started an investigation on his parties own
president because of fake evidence given to him by team Hillary and team DMC,
and his own ineptitude, thank you dingbat John McCain and the voters of Arizona.

The Media, the DNC and Team Hillary could be renamed Team Incest is best.

CNN’s Undisclosed Ties To Fusion GPS
CNN’s reporting on the dossier has similarly muddied the waters with incorrect information
on multiple other occasions.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/28/cnns-undisclosed-ties-to-fusion-gps/

Is Hillary being thrown under the bus??!!?!?!?!!!

Panetta: Intelligence Committee Needs to Look into Clinton/DNC Dossier Payment
http://ntknetwork.com/panetta-intelligence-committee-needs-to-look-into-clintondnc-dossier-payment/

Something so secret and damaging that they will throw Hillary under the bus to keep it hidden?!!??

(https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/FBFB-102617-Hillary-Prison.jpg)

Did Hillary Queef? How does a person get a look like that on her face?
(https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/650-102717-Hillary-and-Putin.jpg)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 28, 2017, 01:22:18 PM

Every Democrat under the sun is running away from the Russian dossier claiming they
didn’t know anything about the DNC and Hillary payments for the fake Russian dossier.
“There’s nothing to see here. This is politics-as-usual.”

In Hill interviews, top Dems denied knowledge of payments to firm behind Trump dossier
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/26/politics/john-podesta-debbie-wasserman-schultz-trump-dossier/index.html

Clinton mum on Fusion GPS scandal as Dems' dossier denials pile up
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/26/clinton-mum-on-fusion-gps-scandal-as-dems-dossier-denials-pile-up.html

Debbie Wasserman Schultz Knew NOTHING about the Fake Hit Piece on Trump? Hmmm ...

http://sunshinestatenews.com/story/debbie-wasserman-schultz-knew-nothing-about-fake-hit-piece-trump-everybody-got

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2017, 02:56:50 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 28, 2017, 12:52:09 PM

The funny think about the silly paper that Team DMC and Team Clinton funded
is that it didn't have any credibility. Nobody not even the nut job lefty nit wits
believed it. So they had to dress it up and get ex MI6 Christopher Steele to
put it in the proper format. Now even though it had no credibility, it had the
look of something that was semi official. So they put it in a nice binder and
named it a dossier. Oooooooooooooh that sounds official and maybe even
credible.

Still they had no takers so they told GOP war monger John McCain about having
damaging information about Trump. McCain can only get on the camera or get
fawning coverage when he hurts the GOP so he McCain leapt at the chance and
sent an aid oversees to pick it up, even though the report had been shopped
around all over Washington and John could have picked up a used copy in the
bathroom of any expensive restaurant in the capital that was frequented by
~~left wing yellow press~~ journalists.

Mental lightweight John McCain went running to the FBI with saliva dripping from
his lips like a Labrador puppy after a pork chop falls from the table. John McCain is
the Former Ranking Member on the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and
Governmental Affairs’ Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, the Committee’s
chief investigative subcommittee.

I say former because he doesn't still have the chops to remain on those important
committees. The FBI couldn't NOT investigate (double negative, I know), so John
McCain was the patsy once again who started an investigation on his parties own
president because of fake evidence given to him by team Hillary and team DMC,
and his own ineptitude, thank you dingbat John McCain and the voters of Arizona.

The Media, the DNC and Team Hillary could be renamed Team Incest is best.

CNN’s Undisclosed Ties To Fusion GPS
CNN’s reporting on the dossier has similarly muddied the waters with incorrect information
on multiple other occasions.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/28/cnns-undisclosed-ties-to-fusion-gps/

Is Hillary being thrown under the bus??!!?!?!?!!!

Panetta: Intelligence Committee Needs to Look into Clinton/DNC Dossier Payment
http://ntknetwork.com/panetta-intelligence-committee-needs-to-look-into-clintondnc-dossier-payment/

Something so secret and damaging that they will throw Hillary under the bus to keep it hidden?!!??

(https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/FBFB-102617-Hillary-Prison.jpg)

Did Hillary Queef? How does a person get a look like that on her face?
(https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/650-102717-Hillary-and-Putin.jpg)

What is team DMC? Was that a typo? Or? Meanwhile Mueller is doing his best to divert attention away from Hillary’s many crimes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 28, 2017, 08:26:21 PM

Fusion GPS, House intelligence panel reach agreement on subpoena

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/28/politics/fusion-house-intelligence-agreement-subpoena/index.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 29, 2017, 07:55:10 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 28, 2017, 02:56:50 PM

What is team DMC? Was that a typo? Or? Meanwhile Mueller is doing his best
to divert attention away from Hillary’s many crimes.

Yes, I misspelled DNC.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 29, 2017, 08:11:02 AM

Got a good laugh watching George Stephanopoulos and guests taking about President Trump and the republicans.
There was a comment made that the strong stock market and the increase of jobs has nothing to do with Trump.
Yet if there was a downward spiral you could be assured the liberals would all blame president Trump.
Have to wonder if these liberals actually believe what they say?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 29, 2017, 10:25:34 AM

(https://s5.postimg.org/atqy8pp7b/22894114_10214076616330689_8915996091720410755_n.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 29, 2017, 01:49:00 PM

Trump lawyer Ty Cobb: President not worried about what Paul Manafort, Mike Flynn told Robert Mueller

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-lawyer-ty-cobb-president-not-worried-about-what-paul-manafort-mike-flynn-told-robert-mueller/article/2638904

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on October 29, 2017, 02:48:11 PM

Trumpton a wee bit rattled....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41796255

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 29, 2017, 05:01:51 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 28, 2017, 02:56:50 PM

What is team DMC?

DMC = Darryl McDaniels of Run DMC. :chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 29, 2017, 06:48:51 PM

:Zzzzsleep:

John Kasich Is Already Running

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/john-kasich-2020-challenge-against-donald-trump.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 29, 2017, 06:57:59 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 29, 2017, 06:48:51 PM

:Zzzzsleep:

John Kasich Is Already Running

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/john-kasich-2020-challenge-against-donald-trump.html

Kasich? Isn’t that a synonym for Douche? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 30, 2017, 11:44:08 AM

Ex-Trump Adviser George Papadopoulos Pleads Guilty in Mueller’s Russia Probe

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-campaign-adviser-george-papadopoulos-pleads-guilty-lying-n815596

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2017, 12:11:27 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 30, 2017, 11:44:08 AM

Ex-Trump Adviser George Papadopoulos Pleads Guilty in Mueller’s Russia Probe

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-campaign-adviser-george-papadopoulos-pleads-guilty-lying-n815596

Kafka would be really proud of Mueller the hacK.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 30, 2017, 02:35:23 PM

Why am I not surprised?

Report: Obama Campaign Paid $972K to Law Firm Linked to Fusion GPS

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/822848?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1760941_10302017&s=al&dkt_nbr=010124u4jc7v&section=newsfront&keywords=obama-campaign-paid-law-firm&year=2017&month=10&date=30&id=822848&aliaspath=%2fManage%2fArticles%2fTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 30, 2017, 03:30:29 PM

Gregg Jarrett: Still no evidence of Trump-Russia 'collusion' - but Hillary is a different matter

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/30/gregg-jarrett-still-no-evidence-trump-russia-collusion-but-hillary-is-different-matter.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 30, 2017, 05:47:22 PM

As much as the liberal media continues to say the special counsel is focused on the Trump Russian collusion, it now is looking a bit more broader including the dems as well.

Brother of Clinton campaign chair steps down from lobbying firm amid reports of scrutiny from special counsel

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/30/brother-clinton-campaign-chair-steps-down-from-lobbying-firm-amid-reports-scrutiny-from-special-counsel.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2017, 06:12:22 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 30, 2017, 03:30:29 PM

Gregg Jarrett: Still no evidence of Trump-Russia 'collusion' - but Hillary is a different matter

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/30/gregg-jarrett-still-no-evidence-trump-russia-collusion-but-hillary-is-different-matter.html

Didn’t Bill Clinton also get paid $500,000 for a speech in Moscow?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 30, 2017, 07:48:55 PM

There is something about $145,000,000 contributed to the Clinton Foundation by the Russians after then Secretary of the State Hillary Clinton signed off on the Uranium deal to them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2017, 08:58:14 AM

Quote from: Maxx on October 30, 2017, 07:48:55 PM

There is something about $145,000,000 contributed to the Clinton Foundation by the Russians after then Secretary of the State Hillary Clinton signed off on the Uranium deal to them.

The Uranium One deal is the 800lb gorilla in the room. Sebastian Gorka believes Hillary’s crimes are treason and she should be executed in front of a firing squad.

I’d settle for prison but chances are she won’t even be indicted. Republicans are afraid of payback should Dems ever get back in power.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2017, 09:11:47 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 31, 2017, 08:58:14 AM

Quote from: Maxx on October 30, 2017, 07:48:55 PM
There is something about $145,000,000 contributed to the Clinton Foundation by the Russians after then Secretary of the State Hillary Clinton signed off on the Uranium deal to them.

The Uranium One deal is the 800lb gorilla in the room. Sebastian Gorka believes Hillary’s crimes are treason and she should be executed in front of a firing squad.

I’d settle for prison but chances are she won’t even be indicted. Republicans are afraid of payback should Dems ever get back in power.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/27/sebastian-gorka-suggests-hillary-clinton-is-tried-/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on October 31, 2017, 10:17:00 AM

Consumer confidence hits highest level since December 2000
Consumer confidence rose to 125.9 in October, according to the Conference Board.
The rating is at the highest level since December 2000.
This accounts for Americans' views of current economic conditions and their expectations for the next six months.
Michael Sheetz | @thesheetztweetz

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/31/consumer-confidence-october.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 31, 2017, 01:04:12 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 30, 2017, 11:44:08 AM

Ex-Trump Adviser George Papadopoulos Pleads Guilty in Mueller’s Russia Probe

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-campaign-adviser-george-papadopoulos-pleads-guilty-lying-n815596

The story on Papadopoulos not only is what he pled guilty to relatively nothing in terms of getting Trump. He plead guilty to a process crime. They don’t even have this guy on conspiracy to collude.

The campaign adviser actually was an unpaid volunteer.
"He was a volunteer member of an advisory council that met one time,"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-downplays-george-papadopoulos-role-on-trump-campaign/

J. Christian Adams is the federal prosecutor who prosecuted the Blind Sheikh
When Eric Holder announced that there would be no Department of Justice
investigation or action taken against the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia
for the actions they had taken in voter fraud

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2017, 01:21:06 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 31, 2017, 01:04:12 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 30, 2017, 11:44:08 AM
Ex-Trump Adviser George Papadopoulos Pleads Guilty in Mueller’s Russia Probe

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-campaign-adviser-george-papadopoulos-pleads-guilty-lying-n815596

The story on Papadopoulos not only is what he pled guilty to relatively nothing in terms of getting Trump. He plead guilty to a process crime. They don’t even have this guy on conspiracy to collude.

The campaign adviser actually was an unpaid volunteer.
"He was a volunteer member of an advisory council that met one time,"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-downplays-george-papadopoulos-role-on-trump-campaign/

The media is spinning this nonsense as much as they can. Facts won’t get in the way of liberal autistic screeching.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2017, 02:31:34 PM

Quote from: Maxx on October 31, 2017, 10:17:00 AM

Consumer confidence hits highest level since December 2000
Consumer confidence rose to 125.9 in October, according to the Conference Board.
The rating is at the highest level since December 2000.
This accounts for Americans' views of current economic conditions and their expectations for the next six months.
Michael Sheetz | @thesheetztweetz

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/31/consumer-confidence-october.html

16 years of two awful Presidents. The horrible wreckage of the false flag 9/11.

Thank God for consumer optimism all these years later! America is back.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 31, 2017, 07:12:28 PM

Clinton news network CNN is always good for a laugh! :laugh:

'I want to quit': Fox News employees say their network's Russia coverage was 'an embarrassment'

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/31/media/fox-news-employees-russia-mueller-coverage/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2017, 07:19:50 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 31, 2017, 07:12:28 PM

Clinton news network CNN is always good for a laugh! :laugh:

'I want to quit': Fox News employees say their network's Russia coverage was 'an embarrassment'

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/31/media/fox-news-employees-russia-mueller-coverage/index.html

Could be true. They could be quoting liberal weasel Shepard Smith.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 02, 2017, 05:39:44 PM

This is old news, but the dems are finally taking about it.

Warren: 2016 Democratic primary was rigged for Clinton

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/02/elizabeth-warren-democratic-primary-rigged-clinton-244487

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 02, 2017, 07:07:29 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 02, 2017, 05:39:44 PM

This is old news, but the dems are finally taking about it.

Warren: 2016 Democratic primary was rigged for Clinton

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/02/elizabeth-warren-democratic-primary-rigged-clinton-244487

(https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/FB-090617-Hillary-Face.jpg)

Donna Brazile wrote about it in her book as well and she should know since she took over as
head of the Democratic National Committee after the convention.

Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 02, 2017, 07:43:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 13, 2017, 07:58:57 AM

I suspect when it's all said and done guys like me who make $250,000 a year will get screwed. Eliminating deductions and only raising standard deductions to $12,000 single will really screw me. I agree, the AMT is a socialist concept that makes sure an entity pays tax even if he follows the existing rules on acceptable deductions.

How about we eliminate the Earned Income Credit? That brilliant concept has cost the US taxpayer BILLIONS in waste fraud and abuse since it's inception.

Wouldn't feel too bad about adding a 10% tax on company CEO's or movie actors who make a salary or bonus in excess of $5 million a year. The income of Managers of Hedge Funds should be taxed at the appropriate income tax rate instead of the carried interest capital gains tax rate.

B.B. I think deductions for state and local taxes should probably be capped. Anything over a set amount is disallowed as a deduction. Off the top of may head I'd suggest 4% for state income, 1% for community education and 1% for local income tax. Why should the rest of US taxpayers subsidize the out of control spending habits of certain shall we say "progressive" states and cities?

Let's see what the Republicans come up with when the draft proposals are released by the end of the month.

It would be interesting to see how screwed you will or won't be. Let's use a generic
example and not you specifically because obviously your personal finances aren't
the business of anyone here at the forum.

If a person made exactly $250K the Federal Tax Due on $ 250,000.00: $ 62,138.25 in 2017
($46,643.75 plus 33% of the amount over $191,650)

Under the new plan the first $90,000 of it taxed at 12%. The next $160,000 would be taxed
at 25%. 10,800 + 40,000 = $50,800

Obviously it's far more complicated than that. You have a state tax deduction which is eliminated
and property taxes which are capped at $10,000 and possibly home mortgage interest deduction
which is grandfathered in but if you decide to buy a new house or refinance you could only deduct
the interest on a loan of $500K which covers 95% of most home loans.

So the in my opinion the tax cut looks good of course it could be better. Who knows what it will
look like after the lobbyists start twisting arms and the RINO's in the Senate start wavering.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 03, 2017, 03:07:27 AM

Quite a well written unbiased piece from the biased BBC..

The time when America stopped being greathttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41826022

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 03, 2017, 10:06:45 AM

Nancy Pelosi says that the GOP tax bill will plunder the middle class,
yet nobody on Earth can explain how. Does anyone else think that
she seems likes she's losing it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 03, 2017, 11:50:22 AM

Trump's Twitter account was shut down for 11 minutes yesterday.

Those 11 minutes of silence gave me the same feeling as in the movie Shawshank Redemption when "Andy" played "Canzonetta sull'aria" from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's "Le nozze di Figaro" over the loudspeaker in the prison.

:laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 03, 2017, 12:09:06 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 03, 2017, 11:50:22 AM

Trump's Twitter account was shut down for 11 minutes yesterday.

Those 11 minutes of silence gave me the same feeling as in the movie Shawshank Redemption when "Andy" played "Canzonetta sull'aria" from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's "Le nozze di Figaro" over the loudspeaker in the prison.

:laugh:

There's talk of the person that did it being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 03, 2017, 12:21:44 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 03, 2017, 12:09:06 PM

There's talk of the person that did it being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize...

Like Obama was?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 03, 2017, 01:42:39 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 03, 2017, 12:09:06 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 03, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
Trump's Twitter account was shut down for 11 minutes yesterday.

Those 11 minutes of silence gave me the same feeling as in the movie Shawshank Redemption when "Andy" played "Canzonetta sull'aria" from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's "Le nozze di Figaro" over the loudspeaker in the prison.

:laugh:

There's talk of the person that did it being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize...

Class-less and demeaning to the peace prize & people that won it legitimately.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 03, 2017, 01:49:40 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 03, 2017, 01:42:39 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 03, 2017, 12:09:06 PM
Quote from: shakespear on November 03, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
Trump's Twitter account was shut down for 11 minutes yesterday.

Those 11 minutes of silence gave me the same feeling as in the movie Shawshank Redemption when "Andy" played "Canzonetta sull'aria" from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's "Le nozze di Figaro" over the loudspeaker in the prison.

:laugh:

There's talk of the person that did it being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize...
Class-less and demeaning to the peace prize & people that won it legitimately.

Mark is correct, I think we can take our cheap shots elsewhere.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 03, 2017, 03:52:51 PM

Another 261,000 jobs added last month with the unemployment rate at 4.1 percent, making it the lowest in 16 years'
To be fair there's a few people that may not be counted because of various reasons, but still The Trump presidency is having a positive effect.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 03, 2017, 04:07:48 PM

Hope once the Russian collusion crap is finished, the United states and Russian will be able to restore better working relationship

‘Putin is very important’: Trump on possible meeting with Russian leader at APEC summit

https://www.rt.com/news/408735-putin-trump-meeting-apec/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2017, 08:27:03 AM

Quote from: yankee on November 03, 2017, 12:21:44 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 03, 2017, 12:09:06 PM

There's talk of the person that did it being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize...

Like Obama was?

And for what? Giving inspirational speeches to large crowds? Following that logic Trump also deserves a Nobel Peace Prize.

In fact the war against the tyranny of Globalism is the most important war that has ever been fought in the history of mankind.

Trump’s speeches are even more inspirational to us “deplorables” sick of the tyranny of Hollywood with their rapists and pedophiles and the media “elites” who’ve given them cover and protection for decades.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2017, 08:29:25 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 03, 2017, 01:42:39 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 03, 2017, 12:09:06 PM
Quote from: shakespear on November 03, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
Trump's Twitter account was shut down for 11 minutes yesterday.

Those 11 minutes of silence gave me the same feeling as in the movie Shawshank Redemption when "Andy" played "Canzonetta sull'aria" from Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart's "Le nozze di Figaro" over the loudspeaker in the prison.

:laugh:

There's talk of the person that did it being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize...
Classless and demeaning to the peace prize & people that won it legitimately.

Like Obama?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2017, 12:25:19 PM

Bernie Sanders complains about Hillary stealing the primary. What’s wrong Bernie, you don’t like it when others steal from you? That’s how Socialism works. :laugh:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/amp/bernie-sanders-camp-fix-was-against-clinton-n817501

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 04, 2017, 08:26:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 04, 2017, 12:25:19 PM

Bernie Sanders complains about Hillary stealing the primary. What’s wrong Bernie, you don’t like it when others steal from you? That’s how Socialism works. :laugh:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/amp/bernie-sanders-camp-fix-was-against-clinton-n817501

Isn't that the way for capitalism also?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 04, 2017, 11:46:30 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 04, 2017, 08:26:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 04, 2017, 12:25:19 PM
Bernie Sanders complains about Hillary stealing the primary. What’s wrong Bernie, you don’t like it when others steal from you? That’s how Socialism works. :laugh:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/amp/bernie-sanders-camp-fix-was-against-clinton-n817501

Isn't that the way for capitalism also?

I am surprised that the Democrats make this an issue about Hillary now. We all knew, them included, that Hillary had the election rigged with her paid for super delegates. Their number was so large Bernie could never win. I calculated it as giving a horse named Hillary a 130 length lead at the Belmont.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 05, 2017, 08:55:57 AM

President Trump voters are very loyal with 91 percent saying they would support him again.

U.S. Voters Say Trump Has Achieved Little, But Republicans Loyal

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-05/u-s-voters-say-trump-has-achieved-little-but-republicans-loyal

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2017, 09:47:25 AM

Quote from: yankee on November 04, 2017, 08:26:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 04, 2017, 12:25:19 PM
Bernie Sanders complains about Hillary stealing the primary. What’s wrong Bernie, you don’t like it when others steal from you? That’s how Socialism works. :laugh:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/amp/bernie-sanders-camp-fix-was-against-clinton-n817501

Isn't that the way for capitalism also?

I believe less so by far than full on Communism. Capitalism IMO is the best thing going however I would like to see more cooperation with the government to have a partnership and provide housing at lower costs for one.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 05, 2017, 10:34:15 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2017, 09:47:25 AM

I believe less so by far than full on Communism. Capitalism IMO is the best thing going however I would like to see more cooperation with the government to have a partnership and provide housing at lower costs for one.

It's all supply and demand. The government creates laws and regulations
that restricts supply and increases the cost of building new homes again
further restricting supply.

Government partnership? They are the problem most of the time.
The government doesn't know how to lower the cost of housing.
This is my industry, and I see governments try to help. In Eagle
county they had a requirement that all windows had to have a
certain energy rating called U value.

The U value required was .3 so they decided they would help people
build better homes so they changed it to .28 (lower is better). That
change increased the price of windows in a home by 20-30% and
the energy savings from .02 U value change is so minuscule that
it would never pay for the expense in the life time of an average
homeowner.

Now imagine this happening with every aspect of a new home.

The government tries to help (usually but not always) but primarily
they louse it up. They aren't knowledgeable enough to make anything
better. They give equal or preferential to environmental groups
over a home builders association. Which group knows how to
make housing more affordable? Which group would even like to
make housing more affordable?

They are from the government but they aren't here to help.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 05, 2017, 01:29:39 PM

I'd heard they found a massive void in Trumps brain, there's a pyramid in there....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2017, 02:06:28 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 01:29:39 PM

I'd heard they found a massive void in Trumps brain, there's a pyramid in there....

And yet he remains far more accomplished and clever than you. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2017, 02:13:09 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 05, 2017, 10:34:15 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2017, 09:47:25 AM
I believe less so by far than full on Communism. Capitalism IMO is the best thing going however I would like to see more cooperation with the government to have a partnership and provide housing at lower costs for one.

It's all supply and demand. The government creates laws and regulations
that restricts supply and increases the cost of building new homes again
further restricting supply.

Government partnership? They are the problem most of the time.
The government doesn't know how to lower the cost of housing.
This is my industry, and I see governments try to help. In Eagle
county they had a requirement that all windows had to have a
certain energy rating called U value.

The U value required was .3 so they decided they would help people
build better homes so they changed it to .28 (lower is better). That
change increased the price of windows in a home by 20-30% and
the energy savings from .02 U value change is so minuscule that
it would never pay for the expense in the life time of an average
homeowner.

Now imagine this happening with every aspect of a new home.

The government tries to help (usually but not always) but primarily
they louse it up. They aren't knowledgeable enough to make anything
better. They give equal or preferential to environmental groups
over a home builders association. Which group knows how to
make housing more affordable? Which group would even like to
make housing more affordable?

They are from the government but they aren't here to help.

So you probably don’t like rent control? :chuckle:

But seriously I was thinking fewer regulations, more tax breaks for builders and a mandate to only hire industry types such as yourself into government.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 05, 2017, 02:13:31 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2017, 02:06:28 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 01:29:39 PM
I'd heard they found a massive void in Trumps brain, there's a pyramid in there....

And yet he remains far more accomplished and clever than you. :coffeeread:

The first, Dad's money, the second, he's a thick as whale omelette but I am more popular than him, that's a given. At least 10 people like me, that's 6 more than him.

List of people who like Trump.

B/B
Confederate
The Texan
Another redneck

End of list.

End of List

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2017, 02:20:20 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 02:13:31 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2017, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 01:29:39 PM
I'd heard they found a massive void in Trumps brain, there's a pyramid in there....

And yet he remains far more accomplished and clever than you. :coffeeread:

The first, Dad's money, the second, he's as thick as whale omelette but I am more popular than him, that's a given. At least 10 people like me, that's 6 more than him.

List of people who like Trump.

B/B
Confederate
The Texan
Another redneck

End of list.

You’re a boorish broken record. 62 Million Americans voted for Trump and we’re quite happy. :-*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2017, 02:36:59 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2017, 02:20:20 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2017, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 01:29:39 PM
I'd heard they found a massive void in Trumps brain, there's a pyramid in there....

And yet he remains far more accomplished and clever than you. :coffeeread:

The first, Dad's money, the second, he's as thick as whale omelette but I am more popular than him, that's a given. At least 10 people like me, that's 6 more than him.

List of people who like Trump.

B/B
Confederate
The Texan
Another redneck

End of list.

You’re a boorish broken record. 62 Million Americans voted for Trump and we’re quite happy. :-*

http://www.magapill.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 05, 2017, 02:42:08 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2017, 02:20:20 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 02:13:31 PM
Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2017, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 01:29:39 PM
I'd heard they found a massive void in Trumps brain, there's a pyramid in there....

And yet he remains far more accomplished and clever than you. :coffeeread:

The first, Dad's money, the second, he's as thick as whale omelette but I am more popular than him, that's a given. At least 10 people like me, that's 6 more than him.

List of people who like Trump.

B/B
Confederate
The Texan
Another redneck

End of list.

You’re a boorish broken record. 62 Million Americans voted for Trump and we’re quite happy. :-*

Why is it then that 100% of my American friends and colleagues say they didn't vote for him and are embarrassed by him?

1. They didn't

2. They did, and realise what a momental :censored: up that was and are in denial.

I know people must have voted for him, but to paraphrase Haley Joel Osment 'I see dumb people...'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 05, 2017, 03:09:36 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 02:13:31 PM

List of people who like Trump.

B/B

Of the choices, he was the better of the two. "Lesser of two evils" and all that. He's really come through for conservatives on judicial picks. Vastly superior to who HRC would have nominated.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 05, 2017, 03:14:01 PM

Quote from: B.B. on November 05, 2017, 03:09:36 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 02:13:31 PM
List of people who like Trump.

B/B

Of the choices, he was the better of the two. "Lesser of two evils" and all that. He's really come through for conservatives on judicial picks. Vastly superior to who HRC would have nominated.

B/B

I like Bernie Sanders, bit like our Komrade Korbyn, but would USA ever accept a true socialist Pres.? If he was true socialist, hard to pitch him in your environment. UK in 70's was pretty socialist and the country was ruined nearly, but that could be down to people not policy. We had some right contrary twats, Derek Hatton, Ken Livingston, but then again we had Wedgie-Benn, the more I read about him the more I admire him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2017, 04:12:35 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 03:14:01 PM

Quote from: B.B. on November 05, 2017, 03:09:36 PM
Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 02:13:31 PM
List of people who like Trump.

B/B

Of the choices, he was the better of the two. "Lesser of two evils" and all that. He's really come through for conservatives on judicial picks. Vastly superior to who HRC would have nominated.

B/B

I like Bernie Sanders, bit like our Komrade Korbyn, but would USA ever accept a true socialist Pres.? If he was true socialist, hard to pitch him in your environment. UK in 70's was pretty socialist and the country was ruined nearly, but that could be down to people not policy. We had some right contrary *snip*s, Derek Hatton, Ken Livingston, but then again we had Wedgie-Benn, the more I read about him the more I admire him.

You probably admire Stalin. :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2017, 04:16:55 PM

Quote from: B.B. on November 05, 2017, 03:09:36 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 02:13:31 PM
List of people who like Trump.

B/B

Of the choices, he was the better of the two. "Lesser of two evils" and all that. He's really come through for conservatives on judicial picks. Vastly superior to who HRC would have nominated.

B/B

IIRC you did not vote for Trump during the primary.

Lesser of two evils? Understatement of the Century.

I imagine Hillary burning in Hell forever. :smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 05, 2017, 05:09:20 PM

What's Trump said about the latest tragedy?

Nothing it seems, no call to arms.....

EDIT: Oh, he has, he's 'monitoring' it.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2017, 05:13:15 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 05:09:20 PM

What's Trump said about the latest tragedy?

Nothing it seems, no call to arms.....

What latest tragedy? The shooting in Texas? He made a statement on Twitter. You of all people should know this as you hang on his every word.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 05, 2017, 05:14:54 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2017, 05:13:15 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 05:09:20 PM
What's Trump said about the latest tragedy?

Nothing it seems, no call to arms.....

What latest tragedy? The shooting in Texas? He made a statement on Twitter. You of all people should know this as you hang on his every word.

Actually I'm just watching Michelle Pfeiffer on the Graham Norton Show - 59 year old and she's a cracker! I'd really like to kiss her....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2017, 05:16:41 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 05, 2017, 08:55:57 AM

President Trump voters are very loyal with 91 percent saying they would support him again.

U.S. Voters Say Trump Has Achieved Little, But Republicans Loyal

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-05/u-s-voters-say-trump-has-achieved-little-but-republicans-loyal

Just for you Ste. 91% of Trump voters will vote for him again. :-*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 05, 2017, 05:33:39 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 05:09:20 PM

What's Trump said about the latest tragedy?

Nothing it seems, no call to arms.....

There are policies he really supports and there is policies he has to support because of who is base is. Too bad that you can not tell the difference. If he lost his base he would get impeached.

Now why don't you tell us who all your friends would like to see president? Most of the people that were running had no plans to do anything different. We would of just elected another Obama. I sure your globalist friends would like that. The country has less every year and most candidates plans would do more to make it have less faster.

Hilleary went to Ohio and said that she would make sure the people of Ohio would have the right to strike. Trump went to Ohio and said he would do everything possible to see to it the people of Ohio would have jobs. Ohio and all the states around Ohio all voted for Trump. I wonder why?

Hilleary went to Kentucky and said everyone would have clean air. Trump went to Kentucky and promised that there would mining gobs. Kentucky and all the state around it voted for Trump.

If you understood what was happening in the middle of the USA you might understand why a Trump won against all republican candidates and then beat Hilleary. Regulations ruining lives, hope and dreams of millions while killing many scores of communities in mining and manufacturing areas of the country. I am sure you have no friends in this part of the country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2017, 05:44:52 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 05, 2017, 05:33:39 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 05:09:20 PM
What's Trump said about the latest tragedy?

Nothing it seems, no call to arms.....

There are policies he really supports and there is policies he has to support because of who is base is. Too bad that you can not tell the difference. If he lost his base he would get impeached.

Now why don't you tell us who all your friends would like to see president? Most of the people that were running had no plans to do anything different. We would of just elected another Obama. I sure your globalist friends would like that. The country has less every year and most candidates plans would do more to make it have less faster.

Hilleary went to Ohio and said that she would make sure the people of Ohio would have the right to strike. Trump went to Ohio and said he would do everything possible to see to it the people of Ohio would have jobs. Ohio and all the states around Ohio all voted for Trump. I wonder why?

Hilleary went to Kentucky and said everyone would have clean air. Trump went to Kentucky and promised that there would mining gobs. Kentucky and all the state around it voted for Trump.

If you understood what was happening in the middle of the USA you might understand why a Trump won against all republican candidates and then beat Hilleary. Regulations ruining lives, hope and dreams of millions while killing many scores of communities in mining and manufacturing areas of the country. I am sure you have no friends in this part of the country.

Ste and his coworkers are tech onanists. They don’t care about regular people.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 06, 2017, 04:55:22 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 02:13:31 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 05, 2017, 02:06:28 PM
Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 01:29:39 PM
I'd heard they found a massive void in Trumps brain, there's a pyramid in there....

And yet he remains far more accomplished and clever than you. :coffeeread:

The first, Dad's money, the second, he's a thick as whale omelette but I am more popular than him, that's a given. At least 10 people like me, that's 6 more than him.

List of people who like Trump.

B/B
Confederate
The Texan
Another redneck

End of list.

End of List

You are totally obsessed with this bloke Ste, like in a really unhealthy way?

I kinda wonder what comes first, the media or the sheep. Sitting waiting on my car being serviced and reading the papers. The Scotsman’s turned into Trump news with the best article being the one about how he fed the Jap emperors fish!

Then to break up the Trump news, I read a completely pointless article about the Russian revolution and it’s anniversary. I was expecting to learn something but it turned out to be another Putin/Russia bashing piece dropping in KGB references and suggestions of a police state stopping another similar revolution.

This is where’s you and Mobes get your crap isn’t it? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 06, 2017, 05:20:13 AM

Looks like another mass shooting. 26 dead in a church killed by a lone gunman. A white guy. A check on the suspect's FB page it appears he was a SJW Antifa type. Was and not is because after the shooting he was pursued by a couple of Texans and given some Texas justice :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2017, 09:10:30 AM

Hillary Clinton now claiming that Donna Brazile was also colluding with the Russians. At least Donna has not committed suicide yet.

Team Clinton Responds To Donna Brazile: She's A Victim Of 'Russian Propaganda'

http://www.dailywire.com/news/23188/team-clinton-responds-donna-brazile-shes-victim-emily-zanotti

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 06, 2017, 09:10:50 AM

An account of the "heros"

Johnnie Langendorff was headed to his girlfriend's house on Sunday morning when he came upon a harrowing scene: A man exchanging fire with another man in front of a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

Langendorff had no idea one of the men, Devin Kelley, 26, had allegedly killed 26 people inside the church until the other man, a neighbor of the church, hopped into Langendorff’s truck.

26 dead, 20 injured in massacre at rural Texas church in worst mass shooting in state's history

Texas church shooting: Small town makes big show of unity in face of deadly attack

“The neighbor with the rifle came to my truck and he opened my door and said, ‘He just shot up the church,’ and got in,” Langendorff said today on “Good Morning America.” “He said, ‘Chase him’ so that’s what I did. I just chased him.”

PHOTO: Johnnie Langendorff speaks to 'Good Morning America, Nov. 6, 2017. (ABC News)
Langendorff and the neighbor, who was not identified, followed the suspect at speeds reaching 95 miles per hour.

At the same time, Langendorff was on the phone with 911 dispatchers trying to alert police that Kelley, who authorities believe killed 26 people and injured at least 20 at the First Baptist Church, was on the move.

PHOTO: Law enforcement officials gather near the First Baptist Church following a shooting on Nov. 5, 2017 in Sutherland Springs, Texas. (Erich Schlegel/Getty Images)
PHOTO: A man wipes his eyes after a deadly shooting at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, Nov. 5, 2017. (Nick Wagner/Statesman.com via AP)
“It seemed everybody had headed up to the church,” he said. “I’m not sure if anybody really realized that he had left and gone that direction.”

Langendorff and the neighbor, who had his rifle in the truck, had no idea what the suspect would do next. Still, Langendorff said the situation was nothing to “freak out about.”

“It was an act now, ask questions later kind of deal,” he said. “It wasn’t something that I needed to freak out about. The situation was, in a sense, under control and as long as I’m behind the wheel, I’m perfectly fine.”

Langendorff soon began to see the suspect losing control of his getaway car, which Langendorff said he left running with the engine on while he was in the church.

“He kind of started veering all over the place,” Langendorff said. “He took out one road sign and from there he hit the guard rail and then hit the bar ditch.”

The suspect crashed about six miles from the church, according to authorities.

PHOTO: A vehicle is hauled onto a flatbed truck where the suspect of a deadly church shooting was found dead near the intersection of FM 539 and Sandy Elm Road in Guadalupe County, near Sutherland Springs, Texas, Nov. 5, 2017. (William Luther/Austin American-Statesman via AP)
Langendorff said he stopped his truck about 25 yards from where the suspect’s car crashed so his passenger would be able to safely open fire.

Police said the suspect was found dead in his vehicle. Authorities have not yet determined whether the suspect died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound or from a shot by Langendorff’s passenger.

Langendorff is being praised as a hero but said he was just doing "the right thing.”

“There was really no thought behind it,” he said. “It was just, act to do what I thought was the right thing.”

Langendorff added, "The gentleman who got in my truck … all he really got out was, ‘He just shot up the church. Follow him.’ And, you know, that’s enough for me to do anything, anything to help these people or to run the bad man down.”

A vigil was held Sunday evening as the small community of Sutherland Springs comes to terms with losing 26 of its own. The victims ranged in age from 5 to 72 and included the 14-year-old daughter of the church's pastor.

PHOTO: A candlelight vigil is observed on Nov. 5, 2017, following the mass shooting at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. (Suzanne Cordeiro/AFP/Getty Images)
Langendorff is new to the area but said he has already seen the heart of Sutherland Springs.

"From what I’ve learned just in the last 24 hours or so is that it’s a great little community," he said. "There’s definitely a lot of love and definitely a lot of care here."

He continued, "So many people are pitching in, especially not just here but from all over the state of Texas. I'm not sure about other places yet but I know our bigger cities in Texas and stuff are all stepping up to help everybody and try and make this uneasy situation as easy as possible for the families and everyone involved and it's great to see everybody coming together and helping everybody out."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2017, 09:13:03 AM

Off Topic: Why is a mass shooting in the President Trump thread?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 06, 2017, 09:13:29 AM

The Clinton tactic is never defend, deflect and always attack. They are shameless.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 06, 2017, 09:15:06 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 06, 2017, 09:13:03 AM

Off Topic: Why is a mass shooting in the President Trump thread?

I am hoping Manny will move it to that one thread about "Americans and their guns." I don't know where it is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2017, 09:19:29 AM

Quote from: Maxx on November 06, 2017, 09:13:29 AM

The Clinton tactic is never defend, deflect and always attack. They are shameless.

Is she planning to run again in 2020? The DNC should strive to do better than her. Agree, she has no shame.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on November 06, 2017, 10:58:18 AM

More to move

Sharpshooting plumber fired shot that took down Texas church gunman
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The man hailed as a hero for confronting the Texas mass shooter during his rampage is a sharpshooting plumber with no military background — who hit the gunman through a gap in his body armor, according to a report.

Stephen Willeford managed to shoot Devin Kelley before jumping in another man’s truck and chasing him down, the Daily Mail reported.

Kelley blew himself away after wiping out in his SUV, according to Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackitt.

Texas Department of Public Safety chief Freeman Martin said Willeford “grabbed his rifle and engaged the suspect” after Kelley left the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, where he opened fire with an assault rifle and killed 26 people.

An area resident told the paper that Willeford, an avid biker who attends another church, learned about the shooting when his daughter called to say a man clad in body armor was shooting worshipers.

The local said that although Willeford has no military background, he didn’t hesitate when he came face to face with the suspect — and managed to squeeze off a round that struck the gunman, who had dropped his Ruger AR-15 variant.

Willeford jumped into a truck driven by another local, Johnnie Langendorff, who witnessed the confrontation, and the pair gave chase.

Langendorff later told reporters about the dramatic pursuit.

“I pulled up to the intersection where the shooting happened and I saw two men exchanging gunfire, the other being a citizen of the community,” he said.

“The shooter of the church had taken off, fled in his vehicle, and the other gentleman came and he said, ‘We need to pursue him,’ that he just shot up the church. So that’s what I did. I just acted.”

He said he didn’t know who the heroic citizen was at the time.

“He was just a member of the community, and whenever he came to my vehicle in distress with his weapon, he explained very quickly what happened and he got in the truck and I knew it was just time [to go],” he said, KSAT reported.

“So we were doing about 95 mph, going around traffic and everything,” he added.

“Eventually he came to kind of a slowdown and after that, we got within just a few feet of him and he got off the road … He just lost control and that’s whenever I put the vehicle in park … The other gentleman jumped out and had his rifle drawn on him and he didn’t move after that,” he said.

Langendorff’s girlfriend, Summer Caddel, said Kelley died a few feet away from Langendorff.

The local man said Kelley was already dead when they found him.

“He was bleeding pretty bad,” the resident told the news outlet of Kelley while he was driving. “He didn’t live much longer than that.”

Martin confirmed that police had found Kelley dead.

“We are not sure if it was self-inflicted or if he was shot by a local resident,” the police official said.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2017, 01:20:04 PM

The Two Dumb Viral Things Trump Did This Weekend Didn’t Really Happen

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/11/06/trump_didn_t_dump_fish_food_impatiently_or_forget_that_japanese_car_companies.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2017, 04:40:16 PM

If Hillary Clinton was to be properly investigated I believe she would be found guilty of gross negligence if not much more.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/6/fbi-deemed-hillary-clinton-grossly-negligent-email/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2017, 04:44:18 PM

Judge Nap: DOJ Should Pick Up Where FBI Left Off in Clinton Investigation

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/11/06/justice-department-pick-ball-investigating-hillary-clinton-judge-napolitano

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 06, 2017, 07:24:26 PM

It blows my mind just how many government programs there are, and the thousands of people that are allowed to come into the United states to work temporarily and never leave.
Yet try to get a travel visa for a FSUW to visit and it's almost next to impossible.
Can someone explain why an well educated FSUW is less desirable to allow into the country?

Trump administration cancels immigration benefits for 5K people

http://thehill.com/latino/358955-trump-administration-cancels-immigration-benefits-for-5k-people

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 07, 2017, 11:03:05 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 06, 2017, 07:24:26 PM

Yet try to get a travel visa for a FSUW to visit and it's almost next to impossible.
Can someone explain why an well educated FSUW is less desirable to allow into the country?

There are two reason:

A. They're white. We can't import more white people because that would be "racist". Better to import Uzbeks who run people over with trucks of Chechen dudes who blow people up with homemade bombs.

B. They're hot. Do you think that the Feministas *want* young, attractive women brought into the country. That's almost as big a nightmare as if the ASPCA ran out of cats.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2017, 11:26:16 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 07, 2017, 11:03:05 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 06, 2017, 07:24:26 PM
Yet try to get a travel visa for a FSUW to visit and it's almost next to impossible.
Can someone explain why an well educated FSUW is less desirable to allow into the country?

There are two reason:

A. They're white. We can't import more white people because that would be "racist". Better to import Uzbeks who run people over with trucks of Chechen dudes who blow people up with homemade bombs.

B. They're hot. Do you think that the Feministas *want* young, attractive women brought into the country. That's almost as big a nightmare as if the ASPCA ran out of cats.

B/B

I’m not sure which is worse, A or B! :ROFL:

I’ll go with B. We know “feminists” cannot stand competition.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 09, 2017, 09:59:14 AM

CIA wrote code 'to impersonate' Russia’s Kaspersky Lab anti-virus company, WikiLeaks says

https://www.rt.com/news/409376-cia-wrote-code-to-impersonate-kaspersky/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 09, 2017, 11:29:33 AM

I have to question President Trump's approval ratings.
Given the large number of voters that would vote again for Trump you would think that they also would approve of the job he is doing?

Trump voters: We'd do it again

Among those who voted for the president, there are few regrets.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/09/trump-voters-polling-election-244644

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 09, 2017, 01:50:51 PM

Trump Bodyguard Keith Schiller Testifies Russian Offered Trump Women, Was Turned Down

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-bodyguard-testifies-russian-offered-trump-women-was-turned-down-n819386

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 09, 2017, 04:04:33 PM

:popcorn: can't imagine who will be next to pay tribute to Hillary.

Biden Didn't Run in 2016 for Fear of Clinton's 'Stop at Nothing' Opposition Research

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/11/09/joe-biden-didnt-run-2016-fear-hillary-clintons-stop-nothing-campaign

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 11, 2017, 09:49:31 AM

Time to move on.

Trump says he believes Putin's election meddling denials

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/11/politics/president-donald-trump-vladimir-putin-election-meddling/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 11, 2017, 04:39:43 PM

Trump does make a valid argument, in Russia being part of a solution.
And again John McCain is quick to condemn Trump's statement.

Trump believes Putin on Russia meddling, says Mueller may cost lives

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/11/putin-and-trump-want-political-solution-to-syria-conflict-kremlin-says

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2017, 05:35:36 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 11, 2017, 09:49:31 AM

Time to move on.

Trump says he believes Putin's election meddling denials

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/11/politics/president-donald-trump-vladimir-putin-election-meddling/index.html

It was time to move on 11 months ago.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 12, 2017, 06:55:21 AM

Would you want to be married to Juli Briskman ?

http://mashable.com/2017/11/06/juli-briskman-donald-trump-motorcade-middle-finger/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-main-link#c98Uio_Aeaqr

I think the story already says enough about this women...

I bet her husband does all the washing and ironing...and is probably rationed to sex :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 13, 2017, 10:43:41 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 05, 2017, 03:14:01 PM

I like Bernie Sanders, bit like our Komrade Korbyn, but would USA ever accept a true socialist Pres.?

Nope.

Bernie Sanders would be an excellent president
of France, but not here in the USA.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 13, 2017, 10:48:57 AM

Nobody cares, if a Dem does it, they don't even report on it.
This happened two years ago.

Sen. Robert Menendez may have had sex with underage hookers in Dominican Republic: prosecutors
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/sen-robert-menendez-hired-underage-hookers-feds-article-1.2336046

If a Republican is accused of something from 30-40 years ago
then it has to be covered by EVERY news team in the country

Roy Moore, Alabama Senate Candidate Under Siege, Tries to Discredit Accusers
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/us/roy-moore-alabama-senate.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2017, 11:54:28 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 13, 2017, 10:48:57 AM

Nobody cares, if a Dem does it, they don't even report on it.
This happened two years ago.

Sen. Robert Menendez may have had sex with underage hookers in Dominican Republic: prosecutors
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/sen-robert-menendez-hired-underage-hookers-feds-article-1.2336046

If a Republican is accused of something from 30-40 years ago
then it has to be covered by EVERY news team in the country

Roy Moore, Alabama Senate Candidate Under Siege, Tries to Discredit Accusers
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/us/roy-moore-alabama-senate.html

I think this is a big reason why he’s denying it and refuses to step down. Saw interview w/ Kellyanne Conway on Martha Radditz and she would not let it go and move on.

But like you say roles reversed they barely touch it. :GRRRR:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 14, 2017, 05:27:28 PM

I guess black lives do matter. Our racist president went out of his way to ask for the release of 3 UCLA, PLAYERS, but in reality just common black folk that thought they didn't have to abide by the law. I bet the Chinese police profiled the black players just like the American cops profile blacks.

At Trump's Urging, 3 UCLA Players Have Departed China

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/825960?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1764155_11142017&s=al&dkt_nbr=010502viro6x&section=newsfront&keywords=ucla-players-questioned-trump-china&year=2017&month=11&date=14&id=825960&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on November 14, 2017, 05:52:46 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 14, 2017, 05:27:28 PM

I guess black lives do matter. Our racist president went out of his way to ask for the release of 3 UCLA, PLAYERS, but in reality just common black folk that thought they didn't have to abide by the law. I bet the Chinese police profiled the black players just like the American cops profile blacks.

At Trump's Urging, 3 UCLA Players Have Departed China

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/825960?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1764155_11142017&s=al&dkt_nbr=010502viro6x&section=newsfront&keywords=ucla-players-questioned-trump-china&year=2017&month=11&date=14&id=825960&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

It was at a Louis Vuitton store that likely had security cameras. Not some cheap knock off vendor stall.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2017, 07:14:26 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 14, 2017, 05:27:28 PM

I guess black lives do matter. Our racist president went out of his way to ask for the release of 3 UCLA, PLAYERS, but in reality just common black folk that thought they didn't have to abide by the law. I bet the Chinese police profiled the black players just like the American cops profile blacks.

At Trump's Urging, 3 UCLA Players Have Departed China

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/825960?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1764155_11142017&s=al&dkt_nbr=010502viro6x&section=newsfront&keywords=ucla-players-questioned-trump-china&year=2017&month=11&date=14&id=825960&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

In China it’s a major faux pas to steal, which is the way it should be in the USA. Instead the father of one of the players behaved like trash and dismissed the behavior of his son, who will go on to become yet another overpaid spoiled pro athlete.

I personally wish Trump had not intervened on behalf of the three disgraceful punks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 14, 2017, 08:05:23 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 14, 2017, 07:14:26 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 14, 2017, 05:27:28 PM
I guess black lives do matter. Our racist president went out of his way to ask for the release of 3 UCLA, PLAYERS, but in reality just common black folk that thought they didn't have to abide by the law. I bet the Chinese police profiled the black players just like the American cops profile blacks.

At Trump's Urging, 3 UCLA Players Have Departed China

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/825960?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1764155_11142017&s=al&dkt_nbr=010502viro6x&section=newsfront&keywords=ucla-players-questioned-trump-china&year=2017&month=11&date=14&id=825960&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

In China it’s a major faux pas to steal, which is the way it should be in the USA. Instead the father of one of the players behaved like trash and dismissed the behavior of his son, who will go on to become yet another overpaid spoiled pro athlete.

I personally wish Trump had not intervened on behalf of the three disgraceful punks.

I agree, but had Trump done nothing the liberal media would have made up more fake news about Trump being racist.
Being this was another Trump accomplishment the media will quickly move onto something anti Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2017, 12:37:18 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 14, 2017, 08:05:23 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 14, 2017, 07:14:26 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on November 14, 2017, 05:27:28 PM
I guess black lives do matter. Our racist president went out of his way to ask for the release of 3 UCLA, PLAYERS, but in reality just common black folk that thought they didn't have to abide by the law. I bet the Chinese police profiled the black players just like the American cops profile blacks.

At Trump's Urging, 3 UCLA Players Have Departed China

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/825960?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1764155_11142017&s=al&dkt_nbr=010502viro6x&section=newsfront&keywords=ucla-players-questioned-trump-china&year=2017&month=11&date=14&id=825960&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

In China it’s a major faux pas to steal, which is the way it should be in the USA. Instead the father of one of the players behaved like trash and dismissed the behavior of his son, who will go on to become yet another overpaid spoiled pro athlete.

I personally wish Trump had not intervened on behalf of the three disgraceful punks.

I agree, but had Trump done nothing the liberal media would have made up more fake news about Trump being racist.
Being this was another Trump accomplishment the media will quickly move onto something anti Trump.

Which is why I believe he should have let them stew couple of weeks. But I see your POV.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 15, 2017, 01:34:40 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 15, 2017, 12:37:18 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 14, 2017, 08:05:23 PM
Quote from: Confederate on November 14, 2017, 07:14:26 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on November 14, 2017, 05:27:28 PM
I guess black lives do matter. Our racist president went out of his way to ask for the release of 3 UCLA, PLAYERS, but in reality just common black folk that thought they didn't have to abide by the law. I bet the Chinese police profiled the black players just like the American cops profile blacks.

At Trump's Urging, 3 UCLA Players Have Departed China

http://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/825960?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1764155_11142017&s=al&dkt_nbr=010502viro6x&section=newsfront&keywords=ucla-players-questioned-trump-china&year=2017&month=11&date=14&id=825960&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Main&oref=news.newsmax.com

In China it’s a major faux pas to steal, which is the way it should be in the USA. Instead the father of one of the players behaved like trash and dismissed the behavior of his son, who will go on to become yet another overpaid spoiled pro athlete.

I personally wish Trump had not intervened on behalf of the three disgraceful punks.

I agree, but had Trump done nothing the liberal media would have made up more fake news about Trump being racist.
Being this was another Trump accomplishment the media will quickly move onto something anti Trump.

Which is why I believe he should have let them stew couple of weeks. But I see your POV.

At least they are suspended.

UCLA players thank Trump, get suspended indefinitely

https://nypost.com/2017/11/15/ucla-players-thank-trump-get-suspended-indefinitely/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 16, 2017, 10:03:34 AM

If Hillary Clinton was innocent, she would welcome an investigation to clear her name.
As for the dictatorship claims, and distractions, the last 8 years of democratic rule could be labeled the same. Had Hillary been elected the liberal dictatorship would have continued.
When there is mainly a two party system is there really freedom of choice?

Clinton calls Uranium One story a 'distraction,' warns of dictatorship

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/16/clinton-calls-uranium-one-story-distraction-warns-dictatorship.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 16, 2017, 10:13:46 AM

Minnesota senator Al Franken has been accused of unwanted sexual harassment, the Senate republicans could end up having the opportunity to pickup another seat if the Franken allegations are true.
Given the photo involved its definitely going to be difficult for him to shake off.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 16, 2017, 10:18:21 AM

Senator Al Franken Kissed and Groped Me Without My Consent, And There’s Nothing Funny About It

http://www.kabc.com/2017/11/16/leeann-tweeden-on-senator-al-franken/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 16, 2017, 12:09:41 PM

Trump lifts Obama ban on Americans exporting trophy elephant heads from two African countries. Since elephants are an endangered species I cannot imagine why he would take this action.

While I understand the "hunts" are sanctioned by the countries and hunters pay huge fees for the right to take a trophy, I'm sure the fee money is going to some corrupt local official who doesn't care that elephants are on the endangered species list instead of some legitimate organization dedicated to preserving those endangered species.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/11/16/trump-administration-reverses-ban-elephant-trophies/869589001/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2017, 01:24:31 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 16, 2017, 12:09:41 PM

Trump lifts Obama ban on Americans exporting trophy elephant heads from two African countries. Since elephants are an endangered species I cannot imagine why he would take this action.

While I understand the "hunts" are sanctioned by the countries and hunters pay huge fees for the right to take a trophy, I'm sure the fee money is going to some corrupt local official who doesn't care that elephants are on the endangered species list instead of some legitimate organization dedicated to preserving those endangered species.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/11/16/trump-administration-reverses-ban-elephant-trophies/869589001/

I also don’t agree with this decision. I don’t care for “trophy” hunting. Only older sick animals should be culled as a method of preservation to ensure adequate food for younger animals.

Hunting animals like deer and elk for food is also fine and keeps nature in balance when hunting season is planned by wildlife officers.

The animals in my photo are young Roosevelt Elk on a preserve.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 16, 2017, 01:38:33 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 16, 2017, 01:24:31 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 16, 2017, 12:09:41 PM
Trump lifts Obama ban on Americans exporting trophy elephant heads from two African countries. Since elephants are an endangered species I cannot imagine why he would take this action.

While I understand the "hunts" are sanctioned by the countries and hunters pay huge fees for the right to take a trophy, I'm sure the fee money is going to some corrupt local official who doesn't care that elephants are on the endangered species list instead of some legitimate organization dedicated to preserving those endangered species.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/11/16/trump-administration-reverses-ban-elephant-trophies/869589001/

I also don’t agree with this decision. I don’t care for “trophy” hunting. Only older sick animals should be culled as a method of preservation to ensure adequate food for younger animals.

Hunting animals like deer and elk for food is also fine and keeps nature in balance when hunting season is planned by wildlife officers.

The animals in my photo are young Roosevelt Elk on a preserve.

I can think of a few Rhinos in D.C.that should be exported.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 16, 2017, 02:36:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 16, 2017, 12:09:41 PM

Trump lifts Obama ban on Americans exporting trophy elephant heads from two African countries. Since elephants are an endangered species I cannot imagine why he would take this action.

While I understand the "hunts" are sanctioned by the countries and hunters pay huge fees for the right to take a trophy, I'm sure the fee money is going to some corrupt local official who doesn't care that elephants are on the endangered species list instead of some legitimate organization dedicated to preserving those endangered species.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/11/16/trump-administration-reverses-ban-elephant-trophies/869589001/

Didn't one of his offspring shoot a lion or something for fun? Picture taken, all over Facebook etc?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 16, 2017, 03:15:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 16, 2017, 12:09:41 PM

Trump lifts Obama ban on Americans exporting trophy elephant heads from two African countries. Since elephants are an endangered species I cannot imagine why he would take this action.

Because he is a fucкwit.

Americans who go abroad to shoot wild animals for no reason other than to gloat over photos of themselves with the dead creature want shooting themselves. It's a perverse and repulsive hobby. And the Americans who do it are always gargantuan retarded fucкwits in baseball caps. It's a hideous practice.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on November 16, 2017, 03:36:24 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 16, 2017, 03:15:40 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 16, 2017, 12:09:41 PM
Trump lifts Obama ban on Americans exporting trophy elephant heads from two African countries. Since elephants are an endangered species I cannot imagine why he would take this action.

Because he is a fucкwit.

Americans who go abroad to shoot wild animals for no reason other than to gloat over photos of themselves with the dead creature want shooting themselves. It's a perverse and repulsive hobby. And the Americans who do it are always gargantuan retarded fucкwits in baseball caps. It's a hideous practice.

Baseball caps? I've always pictured them dressed like Indiana Jones and telling others that they're 'on safari.' Perhaps I need to reevaluate my stereotype.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on November 16, 2017, 03:58:47 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on November 16, 2017, 03:36:24 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 16, 2017, 03:15:40 PM
Quote from: shakespear on November 16, 2017, 12:09:41 PM
Trump lifts Obama ban on Americans exporting trophy elephant heads from two African countries. Since elephants are an endangered species I cannot imagine why he would take this action.

Because he is a fucкwit.

Americans who go abroad to shoot wild animals for no reason other than to gloat over photos of themselves with the dead creature want shooting themselves. It's a perverse and repulsive hobby. And the Americans who do it are always gargantuan retarded fucкwits in baseball caps. It's a hideous practice.

Baseball caps? I've always pictured them dressed like Indiana Jones and telling others that they're 'on safari.' Perhaps I need to reevaluate my stereotype.

I'll just leave this here........

(https://fightforrhinos.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/rhino-with-us-flag.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on November 16, 2017, 04:08:47 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 16, 2017, 03:58:47 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on November 16, 2017, 03:36:24 PM
Quote from: Manny on November 16, 2017, 03:15:40 PM
Quote from: shakespear on November 16, 2017, 12:09:41 PM
Trump lifts Obama ban on Americans exporting trophy elephant heads from two African countries. Since elephants are an endangered species I cannot imagine why he would take this action.

Because he is a fucкwit.

Americans who go abroad to shoot wild animals for no reason other than to gloat over photos of themselves with the dead creature want shooting themselves. It's a perverse and repulsive hobby. And the Americans who do it are always gargantuan retarded fucкwits in baseball caps. It's a hideous practice.

Baseball caps? I've always pictured them dressed like Indiana Jones and telling others that they're 'on safari.' Perhaps I need to reevaluate my stereotype.

I'll just leave this here........

(https://fightforrhinos.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/rhino-with-us-flag.jpg)

So it wasn't an asteroid after all...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 16, 2017, 05:05:03 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on November 16, 2017, 04:08:47 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 16, 2017, 03:58:47 PM
Quote from: Lord of the Dance on November 16, 2017, 03:36:24 PM
Quote from: Manny on November 16, 2017, 03:15:40 PM
Quote from: shakespear on November 16, 2017, 12:09:41 PM
Trump lifts Obama ban on Americans exporting trophy elephant heads from two African countries. Since elephants are an endangered species I cannot imagine why he would take this action.

Because he is a fucкwit.

Americans who go abroad to shoot wild animals for no reason other than to gloat over photos of themselves with the dead creature want shooting themselves. It's a perverse and repulsive hobby. And the Americans who do it are always gargantuan retarded fucкwits in baseball caps. It's a hideous practice.

Baseball caps? I've always pictured them dressed like Indiana Jones and telling others that they're 'on safari.' Perhaps I need to reevaluate my stereotype.

I'll just leave this here........

(https://fightforrhinos.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/rhino-with-us-flag.jpg)

So it wasn't an asteroid after all...

Personally I wouldn't kill these majestic creatures, but those that do legally pay good money for their trophies.
Without those funds more elephants would die from starvation due to over population, and the lack of funding to support habitat.
If everyone that is appalled by big game hunting was willing to sponsor these animals, maybe this type of sport could be outlawed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 17, 2017, 05:29:08 AM

Quote from: Manny on November 16, 2017, 03:58:47 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on November 16, 2017, 03:36:24 PM
Quote from: Manny on November 16, 2017, 03:15:40 PM
Quote from: shakespear on November 16, 2017, 12:09:41 PM
Trump lifts Obama ban on Americans exporting trophy elephant heads from two African countries. Since elephants are an endangered species I cannot imagine why he would take this action.

Because he is a fucкwit.

Americans who go abroad to shoot wild animals for no reason other than to gloat over photos of themselves with the dead creature want shooting themselves. It's a perverse and repulsive hobby. And the Americans who do it are always gargantuan retarded fucкwits in baseball caps. It's a hideous practice.

Baseball caps? I've always pictured them dressed like Indiana Jones and telling others that they're 'on safari.' Perhaps I need to reevaluate my stereotype.

I'll just leave this here........

(https://fightforrhinos.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/rhino-with-us-flag.jpg)

What a bunch of bell ends. There's hunting and there's being an anrsehole - the US flags just confirmation of that. USA USA USA USA!

Imagine shooting an endangered species then posing next to it, draping a saltire or UJ over the carcass?

:dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 17, 2017, 01:20:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 16, 2017, 12:09:41 PM

Trump lifts Obama ban on Americans exporting trophy elephant heads from two African countries. Since elephants are an endangered species I cannot imagine why he would take this action.

It's because the Elephant management isn't paid by the
African countries, it's paid for by Western Countries and
having limited hunting pays for a great part of it. How to
boost fees even more? let them take trophies home.

If the Africans were in charge of their own game
management half the animals in Africa would be extinct.

Trump could cure cancer and the USA Today would
complain that now we are going to have overpopulation
and you would go right along with it. I expect more out
of you than I expect out of some of the others.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 17, 2017, 01:25:07 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 17, 2017, 01:20:45 PM

Trump could cure cancer and the USA Today would
complain that now we are going to have overpopulation
and you would go right along with it. I expect more out
of you than I expect out of some of the others.

Elephants are on the endangered species list. I don't think
the threat of overpopulation for 2018 is a credible threat.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 17, 2017, 01:29:46 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 16, 2017, 03:15:40 PM

Because he is a fucкwit.

Type in Google images
Elephant poacher
Rhino poacher

and tell me how many Americans you see in ball caps.

You will find all the photos will look like this

(https://bushwarriors.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/six-poachers.jpg)

If we eliminate the practice then those animals really
will become extinct. They are just animals, they wouldn't
even be rare if the British and Dutch big game hunters
didn't nearly exterminate them for their tusks and leave
99.99% of the animal to be wasted.

WHAT IF WE BANNED TROPHY HUNTING IN AFRICA?
http://www.conservationmagazine.org/2015/10/what-if-we-banned-trophy-hunting-in-africa/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 17, 2017, 01:34:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 17, 2017, 01:25:07 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 17, 2017, 01:20:45 PM
Trump could cure cancer and the USA Today would
complain that now we are going to have overpopulation
and you would go right along with it. I expect more out
of you than I expect out of some of the others.

Elephants are on the endangered species list. I don't think
the threat of overpopulation for 2018 is a credible threat.

It takes me 2 minutes to do this. You couldn't do it?

3 Common Misconceptions of Trophy Hunting
https://medium.com/@collincottrell/3-common-misconceptions-of-trophy-hunting-b63f64ec763a

Ignorant of The Realities of Trophy Hunting
http://www.huntersnamibia.com/ignorant-of-the-realities-of-trophy-hunting/

Top 5 Myths about Trophy Hunting
http://webberslodges.com/top-5-myths-trophy-hunting/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/420510318872121344/i4XCffVg_400x400.jpeg)

Marina Lamprecht is a widely published writer, and presents talks
throughout the world on Namibia’s conservation successes due the
country’s policy of selective, ethical and sustainable utilization of
wildlife resources, for which she has won international awards.

Feel free to contact her here. She isn't shy about debating, but she
doesn't get all personal and whiny.

marina@huntersnamibia.com

Title: President Trump emotional arguments are for liberals
Post by: 2tallbill on November 17, 2017, 01:35:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 17, 2017, 01:25:07 PM

Elephants are on the endangered species list. I don't think
the threat of overpopulation for 2018 is a credible threat.

So are salmon, I ate it cooked two different ways last week.
Shakey, making emotional arguments is for liberals.

http://www.stateofthesalmon.org/resources/endangered_listings/

Jumping to conclusions without knowing the subject
(http://www.huntersnamibia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/ArticleImage_15.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 17, 2017, 04:34:21 PM

Pitiful women!

Hillary Clinton questions 'legitimacy' of Trump's victory in 2016 election

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/17/hillary-clinton-questions-legitimacy-trumps-victory-in-2016-election.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 17, 2017, 04:41:19 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 17, 2017, 01:34:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 17, 2017, 01:25:07 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on November 17, 2017, 01:20:45 PM
Trump could cure cancer and the USA Today would
complain that now we are going to have overpopulation
and you would go right along with it. I expect more out
of you than I expect out of some of the others.
Ź
Elephants are on the endangered species list. I don't think
the threat of overpopulation for 2018 is a credible threat.

It takes me 2 minutes to do this. You couldn't do it?

3 Common Misconceptions of Trophy Hunting
https://medium.com/@collincottrell/3-common-misconceptions-of-trophy-hunting-b63f64ec763a

Ignorant of The Realities of Trophy Hunting
http://www.huntersnamibia.com/ignorant-of-the-realities-of-trophy-hunting/

Top 5 Myths about Trophy Hunting
http://webberslodges.com/top-5-myths-trophy-hunting/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/420510318872121344/i4XCffVg_400x400.jpeg)

Marina Lamprecht is a widely published writer, and presents talks
throughout the world on Namibia’s conservation successes due the
country’s policy of selective, ethical and sustainable utilization of
wildlife resources, for which she has won international awards.

Feel free to contact her here. She isn't shy about debating, but she
doesn't get all personal and whiny.

marina@huntersnamibia.com

Dont need to. The endangered species list is right here

https://www.worldwildlife.org/species/african-elephant

Title: Re: President Trump emotional arguments are for liberals
Post by: Markje on November 17, 2017, 04:48:32 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 17, 2017, 01:35:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 17, 2017, 01:25:07 PM

Elephants are on the endangered species list. I don't think
the threat of overpopulation for 2018 is a credible threat.

So are salmon, I ate it cooked two different ways last week.
Shakey, making emotional arguments is for liberals.

http://www.stateofthesalmon.org/resources/endangered_listings/

https://www.worldwildlife.org/species

There is no edible salmon on the list. Since theyre bred for consumption like cattle no surprises there

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on November 17, 2017, 05:43:40 PM

Once when they are gone (like the passenger pigeon), that is it. Unless you start to deploy the DNA reproduction project to bring back all of the extinct life forms. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on November 17, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

I agree with you Manny. It's an upper class tradition that's run it's course. There's nothing noble or brave about baiting a hungry animal either, but they still do it.
They'll pay huge sums to kill some animals, then smile gleefully for the social media photo. When Dr. Dentist shot that collared lion, a few airlines read the disgust and no longer import game heads.
So getting that endangered rhino back to the Divided States of America may be difficult.
Shake I don't know why you're wondering about anything that tool of a leader you have. He knows how to screw people over to get ahead, tosses compliments to dictators and communists. And of course racists.
You voted for the reprobate only because you boys can't break your partisan lines. The world laughs at you guys, and wonders who will they votevin next round. Christ if Hitler was a Republican y'all would of voted for him.
Nothing Trump does surprises the world anymore. None of you guys discuss NAFTA and the consequences in Pence's hometown/state of Indiana if Trump gets his way of tearing the agreement up.
You guys need to give your heads a shake and realise what he really is.

I really don't know why I talk politics with Americans especially Republicans as they are too closed minded to think another party has any merit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2017, 04:47:40 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 17, 2017, 10:54:57 PM

I agree with you Manny. It's an upper class tradition that's run it's course. There's nothing noble or brave about baiting a hungry animal either, but they still do it.
They'll pay huge sums to kill some animals, then smile gleefully for the social media photo. When Dr. Dentist shot that collared lion, a few airlines read the disgust and no longer import game heads.
So getting that endangered rhino back to the Divided States of America may be difficult.
Shake I don't know why you're wondering about anything that tool of a leader you have. He knows how to screw people over to get ahead, tosses compliments to dictators and communists. And of course racists.
You voted for the reprobate only because you boys can't break your partisan lines. The world laughs at you guys, and wonders who will they votevin next round. Christ if Hitler was a Republican y'all would of voted for him.
Nothing Trump does surprises the world anymore. None of you guys discuss NAFTA and the consequences in Pence's hometown/state of Indiana if Trump gets his way of tearing the agreement up.
You guys need to give your heads a shake and realise what he really is.

I really don't know why I talk politics with Americans especially Republicans as they are too closed minded to think another party has any merit.

The only “Hitler’s” are Democrats and Socialists.

We elected Trump to avoid a psychopathic whack job.

Really Cornhollio if you could read (2tallBill posted some excellent links) you would avoid your upside down emotional outbursts. :)

https://jamesperloff.com/2016/02/15/%EF%BB%BFhillary-clinton-memes-cartoons-and-funny-videos/

Title: President Trump emotional arguments are for liberals
Post by: 2tallbill on November 18, 2017, 11:25:53 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 17, 2017, 04:48:32 PM

https://www.worldwildlife.org/species

There is no edible salmon on the list. Since they're bred for consumption like cattle no surprises there

Hmmmmmmm.................... Markje, the information you've heard or
read is false. While they do stock farmed Salmon in various rivers and
streams they don't do it everywhere. Salmon go back to where they were
spawned. There are wild salmon all over the USA and Canada. These
wild salmon are managed. If they don't seem to be returning at the
rates they like they restrict fishing in that area until they are plentiful
again. That's called wildlife management.

How do they pay for this wild life management? mostly from fees from
hunters and fishermen.

In the USA they do the same for deer, elk, moose, caribou, wild pigs,
prong horned sheep, bear and many other animals including birds
and fish.

There is no animal on Earth that lives forever. Elephant have six sets of
molars in their lifetime. Once they wear out their 6th set, they can't
properly digest their food and get nutrients from it. Then they start
slowly starving to death. Once they get weak enough they torn apart
and eaten alive by various carnivores. It probably isn't very pleasant
for the pachyderm, but wild animals aren't very sentimental.

OR They can manage these old elephants and let some hunter shoot it before it becomes too weak. Which is more humane?

Even protected endangered animals will die of old age if some poacher
doesn't get to them first. The solution for these poor and corrupt African
countries is to manage their wildlife and get as much money from hunters
as possible. That pays for their wildlife management

Or you can eliminate hunting and management altogether and the poachers
will exterminate the species.

Title: Re: President Trump emotional arguments are for liberals
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2017, 11:34:43 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 18, 2017, 11:25:53 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 17, 2017, 04:48:32 PM

https://www.worldwildlife.org/species

There is no edible salmon on the list. Since they're bred for consumption like cattle no surprises there

Hmmmmmmm.................... Markje, the information you've heard or
read is false. While they do stock farmed Salmon in various rivers and
streams they don't do it everywhere. Salmon go back to where they were
spawned. There are wild salmon all over the USA and Canada. These
wild salmon are managed. If they don't seem to be returning at the
rates they like they restrict fishing in that area until they are plentiful
again. That's called wildlife management.

How do they pay for this wild life management? mostly from fees from
hunters and fishermen.

In the USA they do the same for deer, elk, moose, caribou, wild pigs,
prong horned sheep, bear and many other animals including birds
and fish.

There is no animal on Earth that lives forever. Elephant have six sets of
molars in their lifetime. Once they wear out their 6th set, they can't
properly digest their food and get nutrients from it. Then they start
slowly starving to death. Once they get weak enough they torn apart
and eaten alive by various carnivores. It probably isn't very pleasant
for the pachyderm, but wild animals aren't very sentimental.

OR They can manage these old elephants and let some hunter shoot it before it becomes too weak. Which is more humane?

Even protected endangered animals will die of old age if some poacher
doesn't get to them first. The solution for these poor and corrupt African
countries is to manage their wildlife and get as much money from hunters
as possible. That pays for their wildlife management

Or you can eliminate hunting and management altogether and the poachers
will exterminate the species.

I was also moved by the PC arguments. I believe clearly big game hunting should happen for conservation reasons.

I’m not sold on allowing shipping of the “trophies” back to the USA. Due to PC arguments it does make us look bad.

The jury is still out on this imo.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 18, 2017, 11:35:09 AM

Quote from: dcguyusa on November 17, 2017, 05:43:40 PM

Once when they are gone (like the passenger pigeon), that is it. Unless you start to deploy the DNA reproduction project to bring back all of the extinct life forms. :chuckle:

What you do is you manage the wildlife. You keep out the poachers with
game wardens. You harvest the old (with limited hunting) and keep the
heard young, healthy and thriving. The game wardens don't pay themselves, especially in poor corrupt African countries. Every hunting guide is an unpaid
game warden. They turn in poachers, who they correctly see as the real threat
to the different animals.

It only takes a small amount of research to find that all I say is true.

Title: Re: President Trump emotional arguments are for liberals
Post by: 2tallbill on November 18, 2017, 11:39:39 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2017, 11:34:43 AM

I was also moved by the PC arguments. I believe clearly big game hunting should happen for conservation reasons.

I’m not sold on allowing shipping of the “trophies” back to the USA. Due to PC arguments it does make us look bad.

The jury is still out on this imo.

The trophies get more fees, which pays the wardens, which stops the
poachers which makes the herds thrive. It's literally the circle of life as
seen on the lion king.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2017, 12:06:00 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 18, 2017, 11:35:09 AM

Quote from: dcguyusa on November 17, 2017, 05:43:40 PM
Once when they are gone (like the passenger pigeon), that is it. Unless you start to deploy the DNA reproduction project to bring back all of the extinct life forms. :chuckle:

What you do is you manage the wildlife. You keep out the poachers with
game wardens. You harvest the old (with limited hunting) and keep the
heard young, healthy and thriving. The game wardens don't pay themselves, especially in poor corrupt African countries. Every hunting guide is an unpaid
game warden. They turn in poachers, who they correctly see as the real threat
to the different animals.

It only takes a small amount of research to find that all I say is true.

I’m sold on hunting for conservation. You’ve got to work on Manny, who surprisingly fell for a liberal argument.

I believe there’s other ways to raise money for conservation other than shipping trophies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2017, 12:13:05 PM

One year gloat fest! Remember when they said it would be impossible for Trump to win? :laugh: :king:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 18, 2017, 01:27:41 PM

Just my opinion, I find wild life hunting in Africa sad and pathetic. The arguments about helping the locals is very weak. Eco tourism also supplies a lively hhod to the same locals. Feel free to shoot Bambi in the North East of America as they starve to death in the winter. Yes I see the point about an old animal (elephant), 'but buzzards got to eat, same as worms'.

As for salmon, most is farmed salmon. From both sides of the Atlantic coast the 'farmers' are fighting a parasite that has decimated stocks. This is primarily due to over intense farming. One salmon that is available and wild is Sockeye from the Pacific, Japan, Russia and Alaska.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 18, 2017, 02:11:35 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 18, 2017, 01:27:41 PM

Yes I see the point about an old animal (elephant), 'but buzzards got to eat, same as worms'.

Buzzards and worms don't need to eat an animal that could bring in
a $60K fee. Animals starve to death and die of thirst in Africa too.
If they over populate some of them starve, if they have a drought
some of them starve and some of them die from thirst.

That's why they manage their wildlife

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 18, 2017, 02:17:00 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 18, 2017, 02:11:35 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 18, 2017, 01:27:41 PM
Yes I see the point about an old animal (elephant), 'but buzzards got to eat, same as worms'.

Buzzards and worms don't need to eat an animal that could bring in
a $60K fee. Animals starve to death and die of thirst in Africa too.

You're still breaking into the circle of life.

Old elephants that die, will become part of that again, old elephants that get shot, dissapear from it and deplete africa's resources.

Wild elephants are on the endangered species list , so it is forbidden to hunt them. (Yes, even the old ones)

You can call those Americans hunting them poachers according to your own articles.

I find it pathetic, if you want to hunt an elephant, try doing it with a spear or some such. Now its not hunting its simply pointing a gun and killing it.

Trophies are even more pathetic, because its simply some dead (part of) animal on display.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 18, 2017, 02:21:01 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2017, 12:06:00 PM

I’m sold on hunting for conservation. You’ve got to work on Manny, who surprisingly fell for a liberal argument.

I believe there’s other ways to raise money for conservation other than shipping trophies.

Manny, is smart enough to follow the links or do a Google search
and figure out what's what for himself.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 18, 2017, 02:31:45 PM

Trump tweet:

“Crooked Hillary Clinton is the worst (and biggest) loser of all time. She just can’t stop, which is so good for the Republican Party. Hillary, get on with your life and give it another try in three years!” Trump tweeted.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/361017-trump-attacks-clinton-get-on-with-your-life-and-give-it-another-try

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 18, 2017, 02:57:48 PM

Quote from: Markje on November 18, 2017, 02:17:00 PM

You're still breaking into the circle of life.

Old elephants that die, will become part of that again, old elephants that get shot, dissapear from it and deplete africa's resources.

Mark, admit that you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
You know nothing about hunting, nothing about wildlife management
and nothing about Africa. I find it silly that somebody who isn't a
vegetarian whines about any of this. Is one animal that we eat more
noble than another?

What do you think they do with the elephant if they kill one? It gets
eaten by poor people in Africa, that's what happens to it. How does
that deplete Africa? How is that breaking the cycle of life? Do you
think that the people of Africa shouldn't be allowed to eat this and
that only jackals, buzzards and worms should? Who gave you that
level of superiority?

I find it funny that you use your emotions rather than reason and
fact to argue.

Quote from: Markje on November 18, 2017, 02:17:00 PM

Wild elephants are on the endangered species list ,
so it is forbidden to hunt them. (Yes, even the old ones)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 18, 2017, 05:46:37 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 18, 2017, 02:57:48 PM

Mark, admit that you have no clue as to what you are talking about.
You know nothing about hunting, nothing about wildlife management
and nothing about Africa. I find it silly that somebody who isn't a
vegetarian whines about any of this. Is one animal that we eat more
noble than another?

If you think I am ignorant, it is best to stop discussing this.

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 18, 2017, 02:57:48 PM

What do you think they do with the elephant if they kill one? It gets
eaten by poor people in Africa, that's what happens to it. How does
that deplete Africa? How is that breaking the cycle of life? Do you
think that the people of Africa shouldn't be allowed to eat this and
that only jackals, buzzards and worms should? Who gave you that
level of superiority?

If they kill one, their head and trunk are chopped off for trophies, the ivory is sold off to the highest bidder and the rest is left to rot in the sand. Some of the meat could be taken by poachers to feed themselves. I rather doubt that the poor people will eat it, as the meat is seen as high-priced and valuable.

Quote

I find it funny that you use your emotions rather than reason and
fact to argue.

Nope, I dont use emotions, but cold hard facts:
- Elephants are on the verge of extinction.
- Elephants are illegal to hunt (see below).
- Elephants should be protected from poachers hunting them.

Quote from: Markje on November 18, 2017, 02:17:00 PM

Wild elephants are on the endangered species list ,
so it is forbidden to hunt them. (Yes, even the old ones)

Says you, Elephant hunting is legal in Zambia and Zimbabwe.
Do those countries have to check with you first before they decide
to allow limited elephant hunting?

https://uniquehunting.com/elephant-hunting/is-elephant-hunting-legal/
[/quote]
There you go again quoting any source except the one I already posted upthread.
And a single country doesn't make it right either, Japan still allows hunting of whales. Doesn't mean they are right.

No matter how much you want to deny it, elephants are on the endangerd species list.
The whole list can be browsed with the link I gave upthread.

But it is pointless to debate with you, as you seem unwilling to protect species from extinction.

Mark.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 18, 2017, 07:11:30 PM

Once again fake news about Trump was posted by the liberal media. Now they again put a spin on it to cover up their lies.
Don't jump to conclusions about Trump by what the liberal media says

Trump's elephant trophy reversal comes as a surprise to administration employees, interest groups

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/18/politics/elephant-trophy-reversal-reactions/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2017, 08:34:09 PM

The decision to allow import of trophies from hunting in Africa is on hold. Good!

Title: Re: President Trump emotional arguments are for liberals
Post by: rosco on November 19, 2017, 05:18:00 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 18, 2017, 11:39:39 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 18, 2017, 11:34:43 AM

I was also moved by the PC arguments. I believe clearly big game hunting should happen for conservation reasons.

I’m not sold on allowing shipping of the “trophies” back to the USA. Due to PC arguments it does make us look bad.

The jury is still out on this imo.

The trophies get more fees, which pays the wardens, which stops the
poachers which makes the herds thrive. It's literally the circle of life as
seen on the lion king.

I absolutely agree with your take on hunting Bill and country sports are a massive contributor to both the UK economy & conservation.

The problem with big game hunting in Africa is that you can shoot anything or anyone if you pay enough money. This allows egotistical psychopaths to kill endangered species in their prime so they can tick it off the bucket list.

There’s an etiquette that traditionally follows hunting, but the big game African lot tend to be pretty vulgar - as per the photo a page or so back.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 19, 2017, 08:42:06 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 18, 2017, 05:46:37 PM

If you think I am ignorant, it is best to stop discussing this.

If they kill one, their head and trunk are chopped off for trophies, the ivory is sold off to the highest bidder and the rest is left to rot in the sand. Some of the meat could be taken by poachers to feed themselves. I rather doubt that the poor people will eat it, as the meat is seen as high-priced and valuable.

I showed links that
1. They don't waste the meat. Every part gets eaten and they even use the
hide. The hunting guide will LOSE his license if they waste the meat, but if you
don't want to read the links and decide that in you know better then I am
not going to stop you. Hunters don't sell the tusks, unless forced to by law
that's what they want to keep for their trophy.

2. They allow very limited hunting in at least two countries. Where they harvest
the old. They never harvest females, the old elephants can't reproduce and
they will die of starvation and being ripped apart by predators. I'm sorry that
things aren't as you believed. I posted a link to verify this.

3. You rather doubt that poor people in Africa will eat elephant meat?

You are right, arguing with you about this is futile. You ignore the links,
the facts and come up with ideas yourself rather than doing a little research.

Have a nice day.

Bill

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 19, 2017, 08:48:35 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 19, 2017, 08:42:06 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 18, 2017, 05:46:37 PM
If you think I am ignorant, it is best to stop discussing this.

If they kill one, their head and trunk are chopped off for trophies, the ivory is sold off to the highest bidder and the rest is left to rot in the sand. Some of the meat could be taken by poachers to feed themselves. I rather doubt that the poor people will eat it, as the meat is seen as high-priced and valuable.

I showed links that
1. They don't waste the meat. Every part gets eaten and they even use the
hide. The hunting guide will LOSE his license if they waste the meat, but if you
don't want to read the links and decide that in you know better then I am
not going to stop you. Hunters don't sell the tusks, unless forced to by law
that's what they want to keep for their trophy.

2. They allow very limited hunting in at least two countries. Where they harvest
the old. They never harvest females, the old elephants can't reproduce and
they will die of starvation and being ripped apart by predators. I'm sorry that
things aren't as you believed. I posted a link to verify this.

3. You rather doubt that poor people in Africa will eat elephant meat?

You are right, arguing with you about this is futile. You ignore the links,
the facts and come up with ideas yourself rather than doing a little research.

Have a nice day.

Bill

Have a nice day Bill

It seems we will never seem to agree on this point.

I however am not ignorant nor unwilling to read, you however seem unwilling to do the latter. Even on something as simple as an endangered species list.

Mark.

Title: Re: President Trump emotional arguments are for liberals
Post by: 2tallbill on November 19, 2017, 08:50:19 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 19, 2017, 05:18:00 AM

The problem with big game hunting in Africa is that you can shoot anything or anyone if you pay enough money. This allows egotistical psychopaths to kill endangered species in their prime so they can tick it off the bucket list.

There’s an etiquette that traditionally follows hunting, but the big game African lot tend to be pretty vulgar - as per the photo a page or so back.

The tusks on an elephant never stop growing until they die. They pay
$50-$70K to hunt for an elephant and often times they wait for years
before getting to the top of the list before they will be issued a permit.
They all want to kill and old one with huge tusks. It's not a perfect
solution, but it's the best that they've come up with so far.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 19, 2017, 08:54:30 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 19, 2017, 08:48:35 AM

Even on something as simple as an endangered species list.

Mark.

I will stipulate that elephants are on the endangered species list.
Being on a list doesn't mean that a country can't manage it's
wildlife and have limited selected hunts to cull the herd.

Being on the list and culling the herd are not mutually exclusive.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 19, 2017, 09:13:22 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 19, 2017, 08:54:30 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 19, 2017, 08:48:35 AM
Even on something as simple as an endangered species list.

Mark.

I will stipulate that elephants are on the endangered species list.
Being on a list doesn't mean that a country can't manage it's
wildlife and have limited selected hunts to cull the herd.

Being on the list and culling the herd are not mutually exclusive.

Well said Bill! tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 19, 2017, 09:34:33 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 19, 2017, 08:54:30 AM

Being on the list and culling the herd are not mutually exclusive.

You can google the website where I found this:

Quote

A number of problems with Zimbabwe’s elephant management remain unresolved to date: the lack of an elephant management plan; lack of sufficient data on population numbers and trends; anemic enforcement of wildlife laws; lack of information about how money derived from trophy hunting by U.S. hunters is distributed within Zimbabwe; and lack of a national mechanism, such as government support, to sustain elephant conservation efforts in the country.

I found similar items on all countries you listed.

Zambia:
The law has forbidden hunting of elephants since 1982 , which revised the prohibited hunting quota act of 1968.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 19, 2017, 09:40:43 AM

:whistle:

And one more to counter the bullshit about culling the herd from old males:

From a population standpoint, “older male elephants are very important to the health and genetic vitality of a population,” said Cynthia Moss, who has led the Amboseli Elephant Research Project in Kenya since 1972. While hunters in the past have used the belief that older males are reproductively senile as an argument for killing them for their ivory, research has revealed that they are in fact an elephant population’s primary breeders. “By living to an older age, [older males show that] they have the traits for longevity and good health to pass on to their offspring,” Moss said. “Killing these males compromises the next generation of the population.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/11/elephant-trophy-hunting-psychology-emotions/546293/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 19, 2017, 09:55:39 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 19, 2017, 09:34:33 AM

A number of problems with Zimbabwe’s elephant management remain unresolved to date: the lack of an elephant management plan; lack of sufficient data on population numbers and trends; anemic enforcement of wildlife laws; lack of information about how money derived from trophy hunting by U.S. hunters is distributed within Zimbabwe; and lack of a national mechanism, such as government support, to sustain elephant conservation efforts in the country.
I found similar items on all countries you listed.

Zimbabwe is a poorly run country rife with graft, corruption and scandal.
They've just had a military coup. They manage their wildlife the best they
can with the meager money that the corrupt government puts into it.

They do get a bit of help from outside experts and organizations. The tour
operators and the outside groups help the game wardens to extent that they
can. It's far from perfect, and they have a long way to go.

Should You Be Going on Safari in Zimbabwe?
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/elizabethgordon2/should-you-be-going-on-sa_b_6955440.html

The world wildlife organization
https://www.worldwildlife.org/magazine/issues/spring-2016/articles/a-promising-future-for-africa-s-wildlife

The safari club foundation
http://safariclubfoundation.org/sci-foundation-september-2015-e-newsletter/hunting-is-conservation-the-campfire-program-in-zimbabwe

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 19, 2017, 09:59:55 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 19, 2017, 09:40:43 AM

:whistle:

And one more to counter the bullshit about culling the herd from old males:

Once they lose their last teeth, the old males are going to die.
The old males must fight the younger males to have a chance
to propagate. This happens very rarely regardless of what your
article says.

The article is probably using a different age than I am for older
elephants.

Elephant’s Teeth Decide When the Elephant Dies
http://awesci.com/elephant-teeth-decide-when-they-die/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 19, 2017, 11:58:03 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 19, 2017, 09:59:55 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 19, 2017, 09:40:43 AM
:whistle:

And one more to counter the bullshit about culling the herd from old males:

Once they lose their last teeth, the old males are going to die.
The old males must fight the younger males to have a chance
to propagate. This happens very rarely regardless of what your
article says.

The article is probably using a different age than I am for older
elephants.

Elephant’s Teeth Decide When the Elephant Dies
http://awesci.com/elephant-teeth-decide-when-they-die/

Ah right, so you're suggesting that hunters do not want the thrill of the hunt but simply want to shoot some animal that can barely stand on its feet anymore from old age.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 20, 2017, 02:08:38 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 19, 2017, 08:42:06 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 18, 2017, 05:46:37 PM
If you think I am ignorant, it is best to stop discussing this.

If they kill one, their head and trunk are chopped off for trophies, the ivory is sold off to the highest bidder and the rest is left to rot in the sand. Some of the meat could be taken by poachers to feed themselves. I rather doubt that the poor people will eat it, as the meat is seen as high-priced and valuable.

I showed links that
1. They don't waste the meat. Every part gets eaten and they even use the
hide. The hunting guide will LOSE his license if they waste the meat, but if you
don't want to read the links and decide that in you know better then I am
not going to stop you. Hunters don't sell the tusks, unless forced to by law
that's what they want to keep for their trophy.

2. They allow very limited hunting in at least two countries. Where they harvest
the old. They never harvest females, the old elephants can't reproduce and
they will die of starvation and being ripped apart by predators. I'm sorry that
things aren't as you believed. I posted a link to verify this.

3. You rather doubt that poor people in Africa will eat elephant meat?

You are right, arguing with you about this is futile. You ignore the links,
the facts and come up with ideas yourself rather than doing a little research.

Have a nice day.

Bill

Have you ever been to Africa Bill? I’m kinda with you on this one but knowing how Africa works, your points above sadly won’t generally be enforced.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 20, 2017, 09:17:39 AM

An article against trophies.

“Zimbabwe? Since when do we listen to Zimbabwe? A country that doesn’t even have its own currency any longer because of mismanagement and rampant corruption. A country whose government is so corrupt and inept, that there is literally a coup taking place there as we speak. Sound management and Zimbabwe shouldn’t even be in the same sentence. We’ve decided to listen to a government whose corrupt officials’ likely #1 goal is to find out how to get money from affluent people in the U.S”.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/11/20/elephant-trophies-seriously-this-is-what-washington-is-spending-its-time-on.amp.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 20, 2017, 10:16:45 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 19, 2017, 11:58:03 PM

Ah right, so you're suggesting that hunters do not want the thrill of the hunt but simply want to shoot some animal that can barely stand on its feet anymore from old age.

It takes years for the old elephants to die. They eat tons of food (literally)
but can't process it. You don't want to argue the merits of this. I've made
several points

1. They don't waste the meat you were wrong.

2. The old males 60-70 years old don't mate, you were wrong

3. It's not illegal to hunt elephants just because they are on the
endangered species list. You were wrong.

4. You didn't think that poor Africans will eat elephant meat,
I don't know how you could be more wrong.

5. There are only inedible Salmon on the endangered species list?!??!
Hahahahha. You are telling me that ncorhynchus tshawytscha the
California Chinook salmon is inedible?!?! I have caught and eaten it.
When the stocks go down they stop salmon fishing in the areas
where they come from. How about the Sockeye salmon of the Snake
river? Cutthroat trout of British Columbia?!!??! All of those are very
tasty and edible.
Again you are wrong.

6. You show your ignorance on elephant hunting
"Now its not hunting its simply pointing a gun and killing it"
Do you know how many people were killed hunting elephants?
You again are wrong. Rifle hunting is the most humane way to
kill elephants in the wild.

7. Killing old elephants depletes Africa. Wrong

8. Trophy hunters sell the tusks to the highest bidder.
Wrong (unless forced to do so)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 20, 2017, 10:20:38 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 20, 2017, 02:08:38 AM

Have you ever been to Africa Bill? I’m kinda with you on this one but knowing how Africa works, your points above sadly won’t generally be enforced.

No, I haven't. I've only read about it. They are very corrupt, but managing
the wildlife, even ineptly is still the way to go. Otherwise, the poachers would
simply exterminate anything worth a buck and then these animals really
would become extinct in the wild.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 20, 2017, 11:07:07 AM

Ungrateful :censored:

Trump and father of UCLA player spar over arrest in China

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-father-ucla-player-spar-arrest-china/story?id=51274885

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 21, 2017, 01:48:02 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 20, 2017, 10:16:45 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 19, 2017, 11:58:03 PM
Ah right, so you're suggesting that hunters do not want the thrill of the hunt but simply want to shoot some animal that can barely stand on its feet anymore from old age.

It takes years for the old elephants to die. They eat tons of food (literally)
but can't process it. You don't want to argue the merits of this. I've made
several points

1. They don't waste the meat you were wrong.

2. The old males 60-70 years old don't mate, you were wrong

3. It's not illegal to hunt elephants just because they are on the
endangered species list. You were wrong.

4. You didn't think that poor Africans will eat elephant meat,
I don't know how you could be more wrong.

5. There are only inedible Salmon on the endangered species list?!??!
Hahahahha. You are telling me that ncorhynchus tshawytscha the
California Chinook salmon is inedible?!?! I have caught and eaten it.
When the stocks go down they stop salmon fishing in the areas
where they come from. How about the Sockeye salmon of the Snake
river? Cutthroat trout of British Columbia?!!??! All of those are very
tasty and edible.
Again you are wrong.

6. You show your ignorance on elephant hunting
"Now its not hunting its simply pointing a gun and killing it"
Do you know how many people were killed hunting elephants?
You again are wrong. Rifle hunting is the most humane way to
kill elephants in the wild.

7. Killing old elephants depletes Africa. Wrong

8. Trophy hunters sell the tusks to the highest bidder.
Wrong (unless forced to do so)

You're not thinking and not reading, so let me help you this one time with the google:

1. They don't waste the meat you were wrong.
Then why do the locals not eat it. (Because its too expensive)
Then why do the predators not eat it. (Because it is spoiled by the hunt)
Then why do the Rich not eat it (because they are left in unhospitable places).

All of this is readily available on google, no need to search for it even. Just hit 'im feeling lucky'

2. The old males 60-70 years old don't mate, you were wrong

Strange, I thought the link I put up above is very much proving I am not wrong, even that they are the primary breeders of the race.

For the thinkers: How old do elephants get?
How old do humans get?
How much older percentage-wise do elephants get?
If you triangulate that, do human males father children at the age of 50, 60 or even 70?

3. It's not illegal to hunt elephants just because they are on the
endangered species list. You were wrong.

It is illegal to hunt and kill animals on the endangered species list. that countries decide otherwise on their own is bad of that country, but does not make it any less illegal.

Japan for instance , has not declared hunting whales illegal whilst the entire world (even Norway now) decides otherwise. Whales have 1 advantage over elephants, they migrate all around the world and not only close to japan.

4. You didn't think that poor Africans will eat elephant meat, I don't know how you could be more wrong.
I think your ignorance shows here. Please see point 1.

5. There are only inedible Salmon on the endangered species list?!??!

Quote

Hahahahha. You are telling me that ncorhynchus tshawytscha the
California Chinook salmon is inedible?!?! I have caught and eaten it.
When the stocks go down they stop salmon fishing in the areas
where they come from. How about the Sockeye salmon of the Snake
river? Cutthroat trout of British Columbia?!!??! All of those are very
tasty and edible.
Again you are wrong.

https://www.worldwildlife.org/species/directory?sort=extinction_status&direction=desc
You're still not reading the endangered species list, so I quoted here for you... Go on, tell me im wrong yet again.

ncorhynchus tshawytscha the California Chinook salmon is inedible?! (No, they are not on the list).
Sockeye salmon of the Snake river? Cutthroat trout of British Columbia?!!??! (No, they are also not on the list).

Please tell me again how wrong i am, when all you need to do is read that list. You can even search it as its in plain-text format.

6. Point a gun and kill it. Thats all there is to it.. anyone getting killed, is justice served as far as I am concerned, however this is not the norm. The kill-be-killed ratio for elephant hunters is so far skewed those few deaths do not count. Hell, one of em got under a jeep during a safari and by your definition it would be a legal kill for the elephant.

7. Killing old elephants depletes Africa. Wrong
Mating habits of elephants. Tell me again how I am wrong. I explained this upthread with links.

8. Trophy hunters sell the tusks to the highest bidder.
Wrong (unless forced to do so)
Ok, you get that one for free from me, perhaps they don't.

Mark.
PS: I wont respond again on this, as you still won't read.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 21, 2017, 02:24:43 AM

Killing for fun is wrong, end of story. Sport as well, though this isn't sport, the elephant doesn't have a massive gun..

Bullfighting? Controls the bull population?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 21, 2017, 03:50:24 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 20, 2017, 10:20:38 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 20, 2017, 02:08:38 AM
Have you ever been to Africa Bill? I’m kinda with you on this one but knowing how Africa works, your points above sadly won’t generally be enforced.

No, I haven't. I've only read about it. They are very corrupt, but managing
the wildlife, even ineptly is still the way to go. Otherwise, the poachers would
simply exterminate anything worth a buck and then these animals really
would become extinct in the wild.

It’s more likely the wildlife management folk in Africa would exterminate everything for a dollar today. It’s the mentality out there.

Not sure if it’s desperation, lack of education or mistrust but you could offer a bloke a weeks work at a daily rate and he’d rip you off on day one for an extra few dollars, costing him the other 6 days pay.

I’ve personally had this in Africa with taxi drivers & guides, hence my distrust in their wildlife management protocol. You can pay to kill someone there if you want, most don’t give a shit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 21, 2017, 03:59:24 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 21, 2017, 02:24:43 AM

Killing for fun is wrong, end of story. Sport as well, though this isn't sport, the elephant doesn't have a massive gun..

Bullfighting? Controls the bull population?

As an animal lover I agree.

The thrust of the discussion is conservation though. In Scotland, we have a massive overpopulation of deer and the forest commission sells stalking days to those who want to hunt.

The money goes back into the forestry commission & the wild life trust, the deer population is kept under control and they don’t destroy areas of countryside which would then have a negative knock on effect for the rest of the countryside & its wildlife. The same goes for our rivers.

I fully support this and without re-introducing natural predators for the deer (which is often debated) it must be done. Stalking is carried out ethically, much needed funding goes back into conservation and the industry pumps many millions into the Scottish retail & hospitality industries. Driven shoots however are a bit more contentious.

So I agree with Bill but I disagree that the same ethics and moral code is played out in Africa.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2017, 09:04:17 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 21, 2017, 03:59:24 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 21, 2017, 02:24:43 AM
Killing for fun is wrong, end of story. Sport as well, though this isn't sport, the elephant doesn't have a massive gun..

Bullfighting? Controls the bull population?

As an animal lover I agree.

The thrust of the discussion is conservation though. In Scotland, we have a massive overpopulation of deer and the forest commission sells stalking days to those who want to hunt.

The money goes back into the forestry commission & the wild life trust, the deer population is kept under control and they don’t destroy areas of countryside which would then have a negative knock on effect for the rest of the countryside & its wildlife. The same goes for our rivers.

I fully support this and without re-introducing natural predators for the deer (which is often debated) it must be done. Stalking is carried out ethically, much needed funding goes back into conservation and the industry pumps many millions into the Scottish retail & hospitality industries. Driven shoots however are a bit more contentious.

So I agree with Bill but I disagree that the same ethics and moral code is played out in Africa.

Well said. Did you or anyone else read the Fox News story on this I posted above?? Fox is conservative and so normally pro hunting. The author has spent a lot of time in Africa so very qualified. He seems to agree with you about the corruption there.

I remain pro hunting (within reason) but anti trophy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 21, 2017, 09:25:35 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 21, 2017, 09:04:17 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 21, 2017, 03:59:24 AM
Quote from: Ste on November 21, 2017, 02:24:43 AM
Killing for fun is wrong, end of story. Sport as well, though this isn't sport, the elephant doesn't have a massive gun..

Bullfighting? Controls the bull population?

As an animal lover I agree.

The thrust of the discussion is conservation though. In Scotland, we have a massive overpopulation of deer and the forest commission sells stalking days to those who want to hunt.

The money goes back into the forestry commission & the wild life trust, the deer population is kept under control and they don’t destroy areas of countryside which would then have a negative knock on effect for the rest of the countryside & its wildlife. The same goes for our rivers.

I fully support this and without re-introducing natural predators for the deer (which is often debated) it must be done. Stalking is carried out ethically, much needed funding goes back into conservation and the industry pumps many millions into the Scottish retail & hospitality industries. Driven shoots however are a bit more contentious.

So I agree with Bill but I disagree that the same ethics and moral code is played out in Africa.

Well said. Did you or anyone else read the Fox News story on this I posted above?? Fox is conservative and so normally pro hunting. The author has spent a lot of time in Africa so very qualified. He seems to agree with you about the corruption there.

I remain pro hunting (within reason) but anti trophy.

I didn’t but it might be worth a look. It’s not exactly surprising when money talks in the developing world and I do understand where Bill is coming from.

Sadly I just don’t believe these countries do what they say they do.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 21, 2017, 10:17:02 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 21, 2017, 01:48:02 AM

You're not thinking and not reading, so let me help you this one time with the google:

1. They don't waste the meat you were wrong.
Then why do the locals not eat it. (Because its too expensive)
Then why do the predators not eat it. (Because it is spoiled by the hunt)
Then why do the Rich not eat it (because they are left in unhospitable places).

Mark.
PS: I wont respond again on this, as you still won't read.

I actually did read what you wrote and the few links that you posted
I read this link that you posted and I also clicked on several of the
various related subjects as well.
https://www.worldwildlife.org/species/african-elephant

I also read this link which you posted
https://www.worldwildlife.org/species

And I continued and clicked on the elephant link here
https://www.worldwildlife.org/species/elephant

I clicked on several of the tabs and buttons so that I could read about it.
Some of them went to the same pages are your first link. I could only know
this by following your links.

I also read the Atlantic piece, here is a quote from it
"The Fish and Wildlife Service has not changed the elephants’ status;
instead, it now argues that supporting “legal, well-managed hunting
programs” will help provide “much-needed conservation dollars to
preserve habitats and protect wild herds” in Zimbabwe and Zambia,
the agency’s principal deputy director, Greg Sheehan, said in a news
release."

The Atlantic article went so far as to make the case that Animals
should have legal human rights based on their cognitive abilities
and mentioned that some judge in New Zealand gave human
rights to a river.

So, I have been reading what you've posted and none of those links
disagree with what I've been posting and none of them say anything
that disputes my points about you being wrong.

None of them say that the hunters waste the meat and let it rot. Yet
I have posted several links that say that the meat isn't wasted.

Hunters and the locals eat the meat. It's not too expensive for the locals
to eat because it's FREE

QUOTE
"In Africa, it’s part of the hunting laws that you have to give a LARGE portion of the meat to the local communities and villages. Trophy hunting is all about eating the meat."
Source
https://medium.com/@collincottrell/3-common-misconceptions-of-trophy-hunting-b63f64ec763a

QUOTE:
"Every inch of the animal is utilized. The skin and horns go to the trophy hunter, and the meat is used to feed local communities as well as sold commercially."
Marina Lamprecht
Source
http://www.huntersnamibia.com/ignorant-of-the-realities-of-trophy-hunting/

Don't take my word for it. Feel free to contact Marina yourself.
marina@huntersnamibia.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 21, 2017, 10:25:22 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 21, 2017, 01:48:02 AM

ncorhynchus tshawytscha the California Chinook salmon is inedible?! (No, they are not on the list).
Sockeye salmon of the Snake river? Cutthroat trout of British Columbia?!!??! (No, they are also not on the list).

Please tell me again how wrong i am, when all you need to do is read that list. You can even search it as its in plain-text format.

Mark.
PS: I wont respond again on this, as you still won't read.

Here is the list that I took those names from. I didn't make them up
the Endangered Listings. As if I would know the genus/species of a
fish.

http://www.stateofthesalmon.org/resources/endangered_listings/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 21, 2017, 10:29:29 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 21, 2017, 09:25:35 AM

I didn’t but it might be worth a look. It’s not exactly surprising when money talks in the developing world and I do understand where Bill is coming from.

Sadly I just don’t believe these countries do what they say they do.

Oh, I agree with you there. I do think that they have some of the most
corrupt and crooked officials and charlatans in Africa game management.
My argument is that some game management is better than none. If they
have none, in my opinion many wild animals would cease to exist outside
of zoos.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 21, 2017, 12:01:53 PM

Quote from: rosco on November 21, 2017, 03:59:24 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 21, 2017, 02:24:43 AM
Killing for fun is wrong, end of story. Sport as well, though this isn't sport, the elephant doesn't have a massive gun..

Bullfighting? Controls the bull population?

As an animal lover I agree.

The thrust of the discussion is conservation though. In Scotland, we have a massive overpopulation of deer and the forest commission sells stalking days to those who want to hunt.

The money goes back into the forestry commission & the wild life trust, the deer population is kept under control and they don’t destroy areas of countryside which would then have a negative knock on effect for the rest of the countryside & its wildlife. The same goes for our rivers.

I fully support this and without re-introducing natural predators for the deer (which is often debated) it must be done. Stalking is carried out ethically, much needed funding goes back into conservation and the industry pumps many millions into the Scottish retail & hospitality industries. Driven shoots however are a bit more contentious.

So I agree with Bill but I disagree that the same ethics and moral code is played out in Africa.

I agree with both Rosco and Ste. As in Scotland deer in the North East of the States are a major plague. In parts of suburbia they are frequent grazers of garden plants. Okay so what if some bored woman looses a few shrubs? But there is no food for them in a hard winter and they starve. Yet these same residents frequently bemoan the shooting for food and sport of these animals. And than they scream blue about Lyme disease being spread by deer. Please give me a break. Deer are not an endangered species.

The ethics of shooting an elephant or wild cat in Africa or Asia are different, both are seeing diminishing habitat and hunting for ego.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 21, 2017, 12:16:18 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 21, 2017, 10:25:22 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 21, 2017, 01:48:02 AM
ncorhynchus tshawytscha the California Chinook salmon is inedible?! (No, they are not on the list).
Sockeye salmon of the Snake river? Cutthroat trout of British Columbia?!!??! (No, they are also not on the list).

Please tell me again how wrong i am, when all you need to do is read that list. You can even search it as its in plain-text format.

Mark.
PS: I wont respond again on this, as you still won't read.

Here is the list that I took those names from. I didn't make them up
the Endangered Listings. As if I would know the genus/species of a
fish.

http://www.stateofthesalmon.org/resources/endangered_listings/

But if you look them up. They are not on the list. Neither common nor species/genus names

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 21, 2017, 05:42:13 PM

Changes nothing - killong for fun/sport/war/retribution/revenge is is wrong, Neanderthal thinking. Human race has moved on but some still living like hunter/killers when there no need anymore for 90% of us.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 21, 2017, 06:35:37 PM

I used to be a very skilled (and successful) spear fisherman. Do you guys dislike this also?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on November 21, 2017, 07:01:36 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 21, 2017, 06:35:37 PM

I used to be a very skilled (and successful) spear fisherman. Do you guys dislike this also?

I take it to eat?

I will occasionally shoot skeet but I have no interest in killing animals. Funny thing is, I don't mind eating them after someone else has killed them. This business of consuming no animal products is bologna (IMO).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 21, 2017, 10:48:09 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on November 21, 2017, 07:01:36 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 21, 2017, 06:35:37 PM
I used to be a very skilled (and successful) spear fisherman. Do you guys dislike this also?

I take it to eat?

I will occasionally shoot skeet but I have no interest in killing animals. Funny thing is, I don't mind eating them after someone else has killed them. This business of consuming no animal products is bologna (IMO).

I (we) ate everything I harvested.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 22, 2017, 01:54:15 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 21, 2017, 05:42:13 PM

Changes nothing - killong for fun/sport/war/retribution/revenge is is wrong, Neanderthal thinking. Human race has moved on but some still living like hunter/killers when there no need anymore for 90% of us.

Conservation as in Scottish deer, still changes nothing?

You do know that if they don’t sell stalking with guides, the government culls them yea - by stalking them? This is when the hunter sneaks up on the deer undetected, looking into the wind, selects the right deer to cull then only shoots through the heart when the animal is oblivious.

Stalkers can walk through the mountains for hours before they get the correct conditions and can only shoot if they’re experienced. Its a hard hard stalk through breathtaking scenery for a 1 shot kill. Then it’s back to the estate house for a warm fire, dram & venison dinner.

It’s been suggested we reintroduce bears, wolves and particularly lynx who were the original roe dear predator before we killed them all. Farmers are against it due to obvious reasons but it would balance things out.

Not sure what your answer is going to be but leaving the deer to breed, destroy the countryside, wipe out other species then starve to death isn’t correct?

Are humans a race?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 22, 2017, 09:36:57 AM

Quote from: Ste on November 21, 2017, 05:42:13 PM

Changes nothing - killong for fun/sport/war/retribution/revenge is is wrong, Neanderthal thinking. Human race has moved on but some still living like hunter/killers when there no need anymore for 90% of us.

So you’re against killing the animal Homo sapiens when said animal wants to kill or destroy you and your kin?

(Rhetorical—don’t bother answering we already know your answer)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 22, 2017, 10:37:48 AM

Democrat Saint and Divine untouchable John Conyers is in trouble again.
Seems he can't stop harassing the women on his staff. He also flies women
to him for sex at tax payer expense. Seems pretty standard for a politician,
they work so hard for the American people (138 days last year) shouldn't
they get girls flown in for a little relaxation paid with our tax dollars?

Another Woman Accused Rep. John Conyers Of Sexual Harassment In
Court Filings This Year

https://www.buzzfeed.com/paulmcleod/another-woman-accused-rep-john-conyers-of-sexual-harassment?utm_term=.mrO1o4J2Zz#.qo8nLw2B8D

Al Franken, John Conyers, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Clinton, Louis C.K.,
Kevin Spacey, Dustin Hoffman, Jeffrey Tambor and Charley Rose all
democrats lefties and the only thing that the media can talk about is
Roy Moore?

They are world class hypocrites. These people who attend anti-gun rallies
with armed bodyguards. These are the people who are pointing fingers to
man made global warming from the satin sheets in Master bedroom of their
private jets.

ANOTHER Woman says Franken inappropriately touched her in 2010
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-2010/index.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 22, 2017, 12:54:59 PM

I consider myself decent looking for my age. But if I was this guy
I wouldn't be sending naked photos of myself around to women
that I wasn't married to. He is Republican. There are no angels
in politics, they are all bad.

The GOP are hated more than the aids virus. Dems would do anything
to make them look bad. So this nit wit sends out nudie photos to
various women (or men) and doesn't even know who posted it
publicly? That would imply that he sent out so many that he
doesn't know who posted it. More likely he sent it to his jilted
boy-toy and it wouldn't help his campaign if that was made public.

He is divorced, maybe he will come up with a tinder ap story
where he got carried away?

(https://thumbnails.texastribune.org/Wn03xkxZ63Iy60XU3G5A-Y5zZeE=/1250x838/smart/filters:quality(80)/https://static.texastribune.org/media/images/2017/11/08/Joe_Barton_TT.jpg)

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/11/22/us-rep-joe-barton-deciding-how-respond-after-graphic-photo-circulates-/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 22, 2017, 02:07:23 PM

This thing is morphing into the Salem Witch trials.

Just say the name of somebody else and point at them and the crowd wants to hang them or burn them at the stake.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 22, 2017, 02:36:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 22, 2017, 02:07:23 PM

This thing is morphing into the Salem Witch trials.

Just say the name of somebody else and point at them and the crowd wants to hang them or burn them at the stake.

I actually think it is closer to McCarthyism. Destroying as many careers as possible.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 22, 2017, 03:02:07 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 22, 2017, 02:36:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 22, 2017, 02:07:23 PM
This thing is morphing into the Salem Witch trials.

Just say the name of somebody else and point at them and the crowd wants to hang them or burn them at the stake.

I actually think it is closer to McCarthyism. Destroying as many careers as possible.

The key word here is career as in career politicians. This is just another reason for term limits. To many people in politics start thinking they are above the law, and become self serving. j

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on November 22, 2017, 04:13:43 PM

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/niallmccarthy/files/2017/11/20171121_Trophy_Hunting.jpg

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 22, 2017, 10:27:27 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 22, 2017, 12:54:59 PM

I consider myself decent looking for my age. But if I was this guy
I wouldn't be sending naked photos of myself around to women
that I wasn't married to. He is Republican. There are no angels
in politics, they are all bad.

The GOP are hated more than the aids virus. Dems would do anything
to make them look bad. So this nit wit sends out nudie photos to
various women (or men) and doesn't even know who posted it
publicly?

While I have no real sympathy for him - what he did was the world's most dangerous indoor sport - the difference between him and Franken, Moore, Rose, etc., is that he's the victim of a crime under the Texas' "revenge porn" statute.

I've had girls send me nudes, etc., unasked for (but appreciated, of course) and I would NEVER, EVER, EVER publicly disclose them, even if I wound up hating the girl for some reason. Totally uncool to do that to another human being.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 23, 2017, 06:43:14 PM

Gives the impression Hillary had nothing to offer other than more of the same failed Obama agenda.
At least Hillary has no shortage of excuses for losing.

Hillary Clinton: Obama's record made it hard to run on 'agenda of change'

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/22/hillary-clinton-obamas-record-made-it-hard-to-run-on-agenda-change.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 23, 2017, 11:22:06 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 23, 2017, 06:43:14 PM

Gives the impression Hillary had nothing to offer other than more of the same failed Obama agenda.
At least Hillary has no shortage of excuses for losing.

Hillary Clinton: Obama's record made it hard to run on 'agenda of change'

It's like we've been trapped in therapy with her for a year, having to listen to the same crap over and over. It just never ends.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 24, 2017, 01:14:51 AM

Confederate, be careful, because with your post below you started derailing the Thanks giving post!

So I will answer to you her! (:) :P

Quote from: Confederate on November 23, 2017, 05:35:24 PM

Quote from: Manny on November 23, 2017, 03:50:04 PM
Quote from: Confederate on November 23, 2017, 09:13:55 AM
who has brought respect back to the US overseas.

I wouldn't say that at all.

However, happy Thanksgiving to all RUA pals over the pond. :thumbsup:

Thank you for the Thanksgiving wishes.

In regards your first statement take a look. Look at the second photo in particular where China put out the red carpet for President Trump and First Lady Melania.

The President of China and his wife and entourage also put on a special dinner and Opera show for President Trump inside the Forbidden City. That has not been done for a foreign dignitary in decades.

The last time Obama visited China? No red carpet and not even a ladder. A deliberate insult to Obama.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/slideshow/2017/11/08/photos-president-trump-in-china.html#/slide/president-donald-trump-and-first-lady-melania-trump-tour-the-forbidden-city-in-beijing--china--november-8--2017

Versus:

Obama being deliberately snubbed by the Chinese at the G20.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/04/barack-obama-deliberately-snubbed-by-chinese-in-chaotic-arrival-at-g20

Yes the China leaders know how to play with Mafia and its President ...... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Are you aware what China is doing in the Shanghai Financial centre?

Do you know that they are selling "Derivative products" denominated in Yuan and can be exchanged for Gold, without the use of the US$ ?

Are you aware that they have been off loading the Dollars they hold, slowly to avoid affecting the price of their currency?

Do you know what that mean for the US?

On the other hand have you noticed the change of tone in your presidents statements, regarding North Korea?

I suggest you read the alternative media sites to learn something about your country.

Sorry my friend but USA now it's not the only superpower........and very soon you will realise that you are going down the pan.

All empires at the end go down, according to history and now it's your turn!

tiphat

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 24, 2017, 12:17:41 PM

Quote from: B.B. on November 23, 2017, 11:22:06 PM

It's like we've been trapped in therapy with her for a year, having to listen to the same crap over and over. It just never ends.

B/B

Can you imagine Romney saying that he screamed into a pillow?
Can you imagine John McCain saying that he carries a sense of
both victimhood and guilt? Both of them like her were mediocre
candidates and they all ran terrible campaigns.

But the Dems can't seem to get enough of her. They should just
trot her out every 4 years to run again and again.

Here’s your leftover turkey: The case for Hillary Clinton 2020

What better way to honor the holiday than with a spiteful argument for yet another Clinton candidacy?

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/24/heres-your-leftover-turkey-the-case-for-hillary-clinton-2020/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 24, 2017, 01:56:33 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 24, 2017, 12:17:41 PM

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/24/heres-your-leftover-turkey-the-case-for-hillary-clinton-2020/

Wow, that site is desperate, I read the first 2 of their 4 points why you would want clinton to run again in 2020.

And both of them make excellent cases why she should NEVER be a candidate ever again!

Can't wait to read the other 2.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 24, 2017, 06:45:17 PM

Quote from: Wiz on November 24, 2017, 01:14:51 AM

The last time Obama visited China? No red carpet and not even a ladder. A deliberate insult to Obama.

Do you know that they are selling "Derivative products" denominated in Yuan and can be exchanged for Gold, without the use of the US$ ?

Are you aware that they have been off loading the Dollars they hold, slowly to avoid affecting the price of their currency?

Do you know what that mean for the US?

tiphat

Yes the dollar will go down in value and most of the world will not be able to buy as many Chinese products if what you were saying was right. China never bought our dollars to help us but rather to raise the value of our dollar so they could sell us stuff and create a negative balance of trade for the US. Their buying our dollars was something they did to help ruin us. Now they can not keep the value of their currency up so the are selling dollars to prop up their currency. All of this means nothing for the US pro or against. Just a bunch of writers trying to sell fear to dumb people so they can get rich.

In the end the Chinese will do everyone in they possibly can. That includes the USA, Western Europe and Russia. Wake up! As another poster put it. China does not have friends.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 24, 2017, 07:59:44 PM

Israel is a nuclear country and could be the start of the next nuclear war. Saudi Arabia and Israel are in talks as Iran want to force the middle east to be under it's control and have to use it's form of Islam. Since Russia has weight in as being pro Shite and the US as pro Sunni there might not be much left when the dust seddles.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-israel-will-be-eradicated-in-next-war/ar-BBFANTJ?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 25, 2017, 01:55:10 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 24, 2017, 06:45:17 PM

Quote from: Wiz on November 24, 2017, 01:14:51 AM
The last time Obama visited China? No red carpet and not even a ladder. A deliberate insult to Obama.
Do you know that they are selling "Derivative products" denominated in Yuan and can be exchanged for Gold, without the use of the US$ ?
Are you aware that they have been off loading the Dollars they hold, slowly to avoid affecting the price of their currency?
Do you know what that mean for the US? tiphat

Yes the dollar will go down in value and most of the world will not be able to buy as many Chinese products if what you were saying was right. China never bought our dollars to help us but rather to raise the value of our dollar so they could sell us stuff and create a negative balance of trade for the US. Their buying our dollars was something they did to help ruin us.

Now they can not keep the value of their currency up so the are selling dollars to prop up their currency. All of this means nothing for the US pro or against. Just a bunch of writers trying to sell fear to dumb people so they can get rich.

In the end the Chinese will do everyone in they possibly can. That includes the USA, Western Europe and Russia. Wake up! As another poster put it. China does not have friends.

The Dollar is going down in value because slowly but steadily is not used as the World Reserve Currency because is not linked to Gold but in Petrodollars. Have you forgot the Bretton Woods Agreement? It just a toilet paper. If it was not for the Petrodollar's to support it.... the US would have gone bust, like in 1939. If the trend of international trading continue not using the Dollars.... but their own currency, like China/Russia or China/India etc and 25% of that world trading is lost, the Dollar will go down rapidly and... that is very bad news for the USA.

China is not using the US economic model, invading and destroying countries and killing millions of people on the way so their Defence Corporations to continue making huge profits. Afghanistan 10 years and Iraq, Yemen etc to mention just a few, see the results.

China has not bought Dollars but they are selling you stuff and with the dollars they get they bought US Government Securities, which have been using them to acquire some of your best real estate and industries etc. Last Official dollar reserves in 2017 are at 2.8 Trillion Dollars. That is what the US own to China.

Take a look in Africa and you will see what the USA have been doing for decades, kiiling people with their wars and what the Chinese have achieved with their policies.

China has been investing (Loans) their Dollar profits to improve the local infrastructure, continue running their investments and import their raw materials for the loans they give, and as their economies improving.... they buy stuff from China and not from the USA. So both countries benefit from these arrangements.

On the other hand, American Corporations design products that are manufactured in China and sold around the world.

If you want to see how well your economy is doing... read the following article and learn the bad news for your country.

It's American site!

As America Gave Thanks, Homelessness Set New Records In Major Cities All Over The Nation (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-24/america-gave-thanks-homelessness-set-new-records-major-cities-all-over-nation)

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 25, 2017, 02:23:47 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 24, 2017, 07:59:44 PM

Israel is a nuclear country and could be the start of the next nuclear war. Saudi Arabia and Israel are in talks as Iran want to force the middle east to be under it's control and have to use it's form of Islam. Since Russia has weight in as being pro Shite and the US as pro Sunni there might not be much left when the dust seddles.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-israel-will-be-eradicated-in-next-war/ar-BBFANTJ?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=U218DHP

From the article:

Quote

Israel has repeatedly intervened in the war in neighboring Syria to stop Hezbollah from establishing a foothold on the border. On Monday Israel’s Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman requested a $1 billion over a three year period to boost the country’s defense in light of developments in Syria.

Israhel lost the chance to control all the countries of the plan for the Greater Israhel, from Suez to borders of Iran, now your propaganda prepares you for the next best move, after you were F :censored: in Syria.

Read this: ISIS is working on Mossad/CIA Plan to Create Greater Israel (http://www.inspiretochangeworld.com/2015/09/isis-is-working-on-mossadcia-plan-to-create-greater-israel/)

You may learn something from the horse's mouth! Another American source.

Stop reading, MSN, Fox and all US MSM.

:P

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 25, 2017, 07:53:26 PM

Former Secret Service Agent Threatens To Reveal Details About Bill Clinton And Epstein's "Lolita Express"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-24/former-secret-service-agent-threatens-reveal-new-details-about-clinton-epstein-conne

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 26, 2017, 01:32:02 PM

FBI Informant Has Video of Russians With Briefcases of Cash in Clinton Uranium Scandal

http://russia-insider.com/en/fbi-informant-has-video-russians-briefcases-cash-clinton-uranium-scandal/ri21649

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 26, 2017, 04:48:58 PM

I can understand why President Trump dislikes CNN. They are as biased as any network there is.
They should be writing about how lucky we are that Hillary Clinton lost, and how crooked she really is.
There is no reason grounds to impeach Trump.

Tom Steyer defends $20M ad campaign calling to impeach Trump

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/26/politics/tom-steyer-defends-impeachment-ads/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on November 26, 2017, 05:56:58 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 26, 2017, 04:48:58 PM

Tom Steyer defends $20M ad campaign calling to impeach Trump
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/26/politics/tom-steyer-defends-impeachment-ads/index.html

What an atrocious waste of funds. In fact, he might just be senseless enough to become our next president.

Nah, but seriously, we'll take what we can get! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 27, 2017, 03:12:31 PM

The liberal media sets the bar pretty low when it comes to what is news worthy.

Trump calls Warren 'Pocahontas' at event honoring Native American veterans

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/361990-trump-calls-warren-pocahontas-at-event-honoring-native-american

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 27, 2017, 03:22:37 PM

This goes to show Americans must be doing better under the current administration. Making large purchases shows confidence in which direction Trump is talking the country.

US new home sales surge unexpectedly, hitting 10-year high in October

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/27/october-new-home-sales.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 27, 2017, 07:20:43 PM

Quote from: Wiz on November 25, 2017, 02:23:47 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 24, 2017, 07:59:44 PM
Israel is a nuclear country and could be the start of the next nuclear war. Saudi Arabia and Israel are in talks as Iran want to force the middle east to be under it's control and have to use it's form of Islam. Since Russia has weight in as being pro Shite and the US as pro Sunni there might not be much left when the dust seddles.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-israel-will-be-eradicated-in-next-war/ar-BBFANTJ?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=U218DHP

From the article:

Quote
Israel has repeatedly intervened in the war in neighboring Syria to stop Hezbollah from establishing a foothold on the border. On Monday Israel’s Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman requested a $1 billion over a three year period to boost the country’s defense in light of developments in Syria.

Israhel lost the chance to control all the countries of the plan for the Greater Israhel, from Suez to borders of Iran, now your propaganda prepares you for the next best move, after you were F :censored: in Syria.

Read this: ISIS is working on Mossad/CIA Plan to Create Greater Israel (http://www.inspiretochangeworld.com/2015/09/isis-is-working-on-mossadcia-plan-to-create-greater-israel/)

You may learn something from the horse's mouth! Another American source.

Stop reading, MSN, Fox and all US MSM.

:P

You spend all of your life dreaming of negative things. You must be a really sad person in real life. Then you have so much racism and hate against Jews and Israel and hate for the people of the USA the country and wishing everyone poor. It must be awful living a day in your life.

Much of what you just wrote does not make any since at all. Syria is a terrorist state that is supporting Hezbollah. Hezbollah wants the destruction of Israel. Iran is saying they will destroy Israel if they attack Hezbollah again. Israel is a nuclear nation. Iran wants to be the one and only regional power in the middle east. Now how is any of this related to what you said?

Now what is not fact? The word Terrorist has everything to do with what side you are on. Since you hate Israel you most likely do not see what Hezbollah does as terrorism. Then what would you call it? Israel is just trying to protect its borders from terrorist and war it may one day lose. Millions of people will die when it does. I am sure this will make you very happy.

All of this crap you talk about the dollar is just that crap. One day the dollar will fall. One again they will many people living outside the USA who lives will be destroyed also and I am sure you will not care as you hate so many people it will be a pleasure for you. So far the less the dollar is used the better my life has gotten. This is likely not because the dollar being used less is improving my life it just does not have any effect. I live in the gulf coast area of the USA which is where the country is growing fast.

One day interest rates will rise and there will be inflation. During this time it will be come harder for the US to finance its debt. The same time it will also be harder for most of the countries of Europe to finance their debt also. The same time there will be a debt crisis in the USA, Europe will have the same problem. This period will likely have high inflation in nearly every currency. If you earn your money from the people western Europe you too will feel the pain.

Actually what this will likely do is cause the USA to reduce its retirement payments and control our health care cost. Just like Russia which its currency lost 2/3 of it value over night, regain much of its ability in just a few years the USA will go through the same pain and recover on the other side.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on November 27, 2017, 09:13:05 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 27, 2017, 07:20:43 PM

The word Terrorist has everything to do with what side you are on.

Since the United States is the world's leading terrorist organization, you must be on the side of terrorism.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 28, 2017, 01:01:44 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 27, 2017, 07:20:43 PM

Now what is not fact? The word Terrorist has everything to do with what side you are on. Since you hate Israel you most likely do not see what Hezbollah does as terrorism. Then what would you call it? Israel is just trying to protect its borders from terrorist and war it may one day lose. Millions of people will die when it does. I am sure this will make you very happy.

Israel is just protecting its borders? Israel has annexed more land from the sand-people than Crimea and Donbass put together. They also didn't follow the international agreements that were made from what Israels borders should be!

Although I don't condone what Hezbollah does, I do very much understand the Palestinians, part by part by piece their country is being destroyed by Israel with the blessing of the USA who keeps supporting them.

Hypocrites.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 28, 2017, 04:13:38 PM

It's about time president Trump is allowed to do what he was elected to do.
These liberals crying to judges needs to be stopped for the good of the country.

Temporary restraining order to stop Trump's pick for CFPB is denied

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/28/temporary-restraining-order-to-stop-trumps-pick-for-cfpb-is-denied.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 29, 2017, 06:33:02 AM

His latest (re)tweetfest proves my point, Trumpton is a total bell-end. Even Piers Morgan is offended, also a bell-end..

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2017, 03:02:35 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 29, 2017, 06:33:02 AM

His latest (re)tweetfest proves my point, Trumpton is a total bell-end. Even Piers Morgan is offended, also a bell-end..

Are you whining about this? Give it a rest!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42166663

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on November 29, 2017, 03:07:02 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 29, 2017, 03:02:35 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 29, 2017, 06:33:02 AM
His latest (re)tweetfest proves my point, Trumpton is a total bell-end. Even Piers Morgan is offended, also a bell-end..

Are you whining about this? Give it a rest!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42166663

I plan to, when he’s finally placed in the looney bin.

Probably next week

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2017, 03:10:26 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 29, 2017, 03:07:02 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 29, 2017, 03:02:35 PM
Quote from: Ste on November 29, 2017, 06:33:02 AM
His latest (re)tweetfest proves my point, Trumpton is a total bell-end. Even Piers Morgan is offended, also a bell-end..

Are you whining about this? Give it a rest!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42166663

I plan to, when he’s finally placed in the looney bin.

Probably next week

Grow up Ste. Meanwhile study this post carefully.

Quote from: B.B. on November 07, 2017, 03:37:59 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 07, 2017, 01:42:16 PM
Are you wise?

Oh, I *LOVE* this game: Why do you HATE British children and want to see them RAPED and MURDERED?

Quote from: Ste on November 07, 2017, 02:43:31 PM
Pone needs to redress the muslims-are-to-blame-for-everything mantra here.

Muslims are not "to blame for everything". That said, Muslims are to blame for the bad shit that they do, and should be held accountable for it, even if someone - Oh noes!! Oh woes!! - calls us "RACISTS!" for doing so.

Also, the West is under NO OBLIGATION to import folks who cannot live among civilized people. You may well yearn to lick the boots of your Saracen masters, but none for me, thanks.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 29, 2017, 07:52:59 PM

It looks like the Trump tax overhaul could become reality soon, but the liberal media is giving their all to criticize everything they can.
If this tax plan would not be positive for the majority of the United states, the republicans would be committing political suicide.

Why if the news media is supposed to be unbiased don't they also report on the benefits the average American will gain?
Freedom of speech is very one sided when liberals control the content of the news.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 30, 2017, 02:10:38 PM

Quote from: Ste on November 29, 2017, 03:07:02 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 29, 2017, 03:02:35 PM
Quote from: Ste on November 29, 2017, 06:33:02 AM
His latest (re)tweetfest proves my point, Trumpton is a total bell-end. Even Piers Morgan is offended, also a bell-end..

Are you whining about this? Give it a rest!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42166663

I plan to, when he’s finally placed in the looney bin.

Probably next week

.

The tweet is absolutely ill advised for a president, after all in this day & age a man in such a position shouldn’t be allowed to have an opinion. Joke btw Ste.

It was a stupid thing for him to do but what I can’t see past is the liberal whining, the mass heysteria in the MSM and the debating in parliament, I mean really? The same idiots crying foul are the same idiots who remained silent as we allowed ISIS fighters to walk back into the UK like nothing happened, which is 10 million times more dangerous. Again.....seriously??

This country has lost the plot and millions of brain washed pansies continue to show level 10 hypocracy and the lack of reality in their tiny brains.

Trump shouldn’t have re tweeted the videos (which were sadly true and current) but the content of these videos haven’t even been discussed. Britain First only gets oxygen because the media is too morally precious to cover the real stories. Britain First is a pretty extreme group but much of their content is real, which is actually the bit liberals find most difficult to accept.

It’s like the Russian influence during US elections. Libtards get more hung about about the Russians supplying information, than they are about the actual information which is shocking.

Trumps a nutter but once again I find myself despairing at the fact rather than being emotionally diverted with virtue signalling. True story.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on November 30, 2017, 04:55:31 PM

The USA apparently has a senile president. :chuckle:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5132905/Joe-Scarborough-says-president-profoundly-unstable.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 30, 2017, 05:56:59 PM

Margaret Sanger, quote from a 1939 letter to an ally:
“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.”

And she wrote many, many more racist things.

https://genius.com/Margaret-sanger-letter-from-margaret-sanger-to-dr-cj-gamble-annotated

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

Here is Hillary praising her

Is Hillary a crazy racist? because she praised a crazy racist?

Does Trump have to own everything an organization believes
in because he retweeted something?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 30, 2017, 07:30:17 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 30, 2017, 05:56:59 PM

Margaret Sanger, quote from a 1939 letter to an ally:
“We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.”

And she wrote many, many more racist things.

https://genius.com/Margaret-sanger-letter-from-margaret-sanger-to-dr-cj-gamble-annotated

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

Here is Hillary praising her

Is Hillary a crazy racist? because she praised a crazy racist?

Does Trump have to own everything an organization believes
in because he retweeted something?

HRC got praised just because she’s a liberal and therefore a darling of the media.

Trump gets denounced yet his position is far more rational and sane.

College student wears a Che Guevara T shirt: good.

College student wears a Hitler T shirt: bad.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 01, 2017, 02:23:48 PM

How many more months and tax payer money is going to be wasted on this witch hunt? Meanwhile the real witch Hillary will most likely never be held accountable for her crimes.

Flynn news 'very, very, very bad,' source close to President Trump tells NBC

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/01/flynn-news-very-very-very-bad-source-close-to-president-trump-tells-nbc.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 01, 2017, 04:28:15 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 01, 2017, 02:23:48 PM

How many more months and tax payer money is going to be wasted on this witch hunt? Meanwhile the real witch Hillary will most likely never be held accountable for her crimes.

Flynn news 'very, very, very bad,' source close to President Trump tells NBC

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/01/flynn-news-very-very-very-bad-source-close-to-president-trump-tells-nbc.html

The whole thing has been coordinated by "TPTB" to make it difficult for Trump to fulfill the will of the people.

As Andrew once wrote our elections are "Kabuki theater" and yet this time Trump won against all odds.

If Republicans can win in 2018 he'll be alright however if Democrats win then he's in trouble.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 01, 2017, 04:37:05 PM

Build the wall, deport the illegal immigrants, and get rid of sanctuary cities.

Kate Steinle murder case explained, from Trump's comments to DOJ arrest warrant

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/01/kate-steinle-murder-case-explained-from-trumps-comments-to-doj-arrest-warrant.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on December 01, 2017, 05:21:11 PM

The US President is now an "enormous present danger".

Quote

“This is a very sick man. He is truly very sick”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-psychopath-psychosis-mental-health-danger-us-president-goldwater-rule-psychiatrist-a8084726.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 01, 2017, 06:18:51 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 01, 2017, 04:37:05 PM

Build the wall, deport the illegal immigrants, and get rid of sanctuary cities.

... and hang the Liberals, eh?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 01, 2017, 06:45:53 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 01, 2017, 06:18:51 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 01, 2017, 04:37:05 PM
Build the wall, deport the illegal immigrants, and get rid of sanctuary cities.

... and hang the Liberals, eh?

You may be on to something. At this point, it should be considered.....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 01, 2017, 06:55:43 PM

If that doesn't work, the hangmen can move on to the next group of scapegoats: Conservatives who aren't conservative enough, for example. It seems to me that Martin Niemöller wrote someone on this subject.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 01, 2017, 08:00:02 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 01, 2017, 06:55:43 PM

If that doesn't work, the hangmen can move on to the next group of scapegoats: Conservatives who aren't conservative enough, for example. It seems to me that Martin Niemöller wrote someone on this subject.

I'm pretty sure that nobody seriously would consider harming liberals
in any way. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that
good men do nothing. Some people have attributed that to Edmund
Burke, but others have said Charles Aked.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 01, 2017, 08:58:58 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on December 01, 2017, 05:21:11 PM

The US President is now an "enormous present danger".

Quote
“This is a very sick man. He is truly very sick”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-psychopath-psychosis-mental-health-danger-us-president-goldwater-rule-psychiatrist-a8084726.html

This chap has Trump Derangement Disorder so bad he's not simply disregarding professional ethics he is violating them. For too many of our liberal friends, the ends justifies the means, I suppose. It also explains why they have no definable jurisprudence to speak of beyond "The Constitution says what we WANT it to say to give us the result that we want."

Quote from: TomT on December 01, 2017, 06:55:43 PM

If that doesn't work, the hangmen can move on to the next group of scapegoats: Conservatives who aren't conservative enough, for example. It seems to me that Martin Niemöller wrote someone on this subject.

Oh, do stop hyperventilating, will you? I'm sure we'd give you a running start and all.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 01, 2017, 10:14:37 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 01, 2017, 02:23:48 PM

How many more months and tax payer money is going to be wasted on this witch hunt?

Well TC - it seems the 'Emperor' may way have been wasting public money - firing unbiased officials - to avoid such scrutiny ..

At least the Washington goings on give the pro 'hard Brexit' folk some relief from the news spotlight

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 01, 2017, 11:17:45 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 01, 2017, 08:00:02 PM

I'm pretty sure that nobody seriously would consider harming liberals
in any way.

It's already happened, Bill; and there are those who applauded it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 02, 2017, 01:25:12 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 01, 2017, 08:00:02 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 01, 2017, 06:55:43 PM
If that doesn't work, the hangmen can move on to the next group of scapegoats: Conservatives who aren't conservative enough, for example. It seems to me that Martin Niemöller wrote someone on this subject.

I'm pretty sure that nobody seriously would consider harming liberals
in any way. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that
good men do nothing. Some people have attributed that to Edmund
Burke, but others have said Charles Aked.

Liberals are no longer “liberals”, they have morphed into wanting to be Communists.

Members of this forum in particular should know that it’s they who resorted to mass murder time after time.

Just think if Killary had won and shudder at the nightmare she would have become.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 02, 2017, 04:50:49 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 02, 2017, 01:25:12 AM

Liberals are no longer “liberals”, they have morphed into wanting to be Communists.

:pointlaugh:

Quote from: Confederate on December 02, 2017, 01:25:12 AM

Members of this forum in particular should know that it’s they who resorted to mass murder time after time.

Just think if Killary had won and shudder at the nightmare she would have become.

You / your 'nephew' need to get out more ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 02, 2017, 09:13:06 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 01, 2017, 11:17:45 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 01, 2017, 08:00:02 PM
I'm pretty sure that nobody seriously would consider harming liberals
in any way.

It's already happened, Bill; and there are those who applauded it.

This is the 100 year anniversary of the Bolshevik revolution in Russia when 20 Million Russian Christians were murdered during the initial phases. Care to give your opinion as to why our media has been silent about this?

Will Smith wants to “cleanse” America of Trump supporters.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/article/2016/08/09/will-smith-hopes-america-can-cleanse-itself-trump-supporters

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 02, 2017, 09:17:20 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 02, 2017, 09:13:06 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 01, 2017, 11:17:45 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on December 01, 2017, 08:00:02 PM
I'm pretty sure that nobody seriously would consider harming liberals
in any way.

It's already happened, Bill; and there are those who applauded it.

This is the 100 year anniversary of the Bolshevik revolution in Russia when 20 Million Russian Christians were murdered during the initial phases. Care to give your opinion as to why our media has been silent about this?

Will Smith wants to “cleanse” America of Trump supporters.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/article/2016/08/09/will-smith-hopes-america-can-cleanse-itself-trump-supporters

Drexel University “professor” wanted genocide of all whites for Christmas.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/26/drexel-professor-draws-ire-after-posting-white-genocide-tweet-on-christmas.amp.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 02, 2017, 09:39:10 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 02, 2017, 09:17:20 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 02, 2017, 09:13:06 AM
Quote from: TomT on December 01, 2017, 11:17:45 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on December 01, 2017, 08:00:02 PM
I'm pretty sure that nobody seriously would consider harming liberals
in any way.

It's already happened, Bill; and there are those who applauded it.

This is the 100 year anniversary of the Bolshevik revolution in Russia when 20 Million Russian Christians were murdered during the initial phases. Care to give your opinion as to why our media has been silent about this?

Will Smith wants to “cleanse” America of Trump supporters.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/article/2016/08/09/will-smith-hopes-america-can-cleanse-itself-trump-supporters

Drexel University “professor” wanted genocide of all whites for Christmas.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/26/drexel-professor-draws-ire-after-posting-white-genocide-tweet-on-christmas.amp.html

Student newspaper in Texas runs editorial calling for genocide of all whites:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/campus-newspaper-editorial-your-white-dna-is-an-abomination/article/2641940

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/935966127422824448?s=17

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 02, 2017, 09:48:27 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 01, 2017, 11:17:45 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 01, 2017, 08:00:02 PM
I'm pretty sure that nobody seriously would consider harming liberals
in any way.

It's already happened, Bill; and there are those who applauded it.

Do you mean like this? Maine Democrats laugh about rising white male suicides.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2017/04/14/maine-democrats-laugh-about-rising-suicide-rates-among-white-males-video/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 02, 2017, 11:02:36 AM

And the leftoids wonder why there's an alt-Right....

‘Sacrificed To The Wolves’: Nurse Fired After Tweets About White Babies (http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/11/27/nurse-offensive-tweet-about-white-baby-boys/)

CBS Local — A nurse in the Indiana healthcare system has lost her job after an offensive tweet, which accused white baby boys of being future racists and killers, was traced back to her account.

According to reports, Indiana University Health has removed Taiyesha Baker from her position at Methodist Hospital in Indianapolis following an investigation into the Twitter rant. Officials at IU Health said the recently hired healthcare worker was no longer working at the facility following “several troubling posts on social media.” Spokesman Jason Fechner would not confirm that Baker was fired from IU Health, citing the healthcare provider’s policy of employee information.

Baker, who was reportedly tweeting under the name “Night Nurse,” launched an obscene tirade against the mothers of white baby boys as well as the infants themselves. The tweet claimed that every white mother, “raises a detriment to society when they raise a son. Someone with the HIGHEST propensity to be a terrorist, rapist, racist, killer, and domestic violence all star.”

The tweet added that every son those women have, “should be sacrificed to the wolves.”

I hope they didn't let this :censored: anywhere near newborns....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 02, 2017, 12:07:27 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 02, 2017, 11:02:36 AM

And the leftoids wonder why there's an alt-Right....

‘Sacrificed To The Wolves’: Nurse Fired After Tweets About White Babies (http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/11/27/nurse-offensive-tweet-about-white-baby-boys/)

CBS Local — A nurse in the Indiana healthcare system has lost her job after an offensive tweet, which accused white baby boys of being future racists and killers, was traced back to her account.

According to reports, Indiana University Health has removed Taiyesha Baker from her position at Methodist Hospital in Indianapolis following an investigation into the Twitter rant. Officials at IU Health said the recently hired healthcare worker was no longer working at the facility following “several troubling posts on social media.” Spokesman Jason Fechner would not confirm that Baker was fired from IU Health, citing the healthcare provider’s policy of employee information.

Baker, who was reportedly tweeting under the name “Night Nurse,” launched an obscene tirade against the mothers of white baby boys as well as the infants themselves. The tweet claimed that every white mother, “raises a detriment to society when they raise a son. Someone with the HIGHEST propensity to be a terrorist, rapist, racist, killer, and domestic violence all star.”

The tweet added that every son those women have, “should be sacrificed to the wolves.”

I hope they didn't let this :censored: anywhere near newborns....

B/B

The even greater problem are the black nurses who don’t tweet (and lose their jobs) but keep their hatred bottled up inside and harm infants or the elderly, like the two nurses who laughed as a WWII died after neglecting him for hours.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 02, 2017, 12:28:15 PM

Is this an attempt by the liberal media to show Mueller as impartial?

Mueller reassigned topFBI agent in Russia probe over anti-Trump texts, reports say

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/mueller-reassigned-top-fbi-agent-russian-probe-over-anti-trump-n825926

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 02, 2017, 09:05:36 PM

Trump applauds ABC News for admitting, cracking down on 'fake news'

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-applauds-abc-news-for-admitting-cracking-down-on-fake-news/article/2642390

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 03, 2017, 08:58:33 AM

Liberal: "Flynn has turned state's evidence; this could be trouble for the Trump administration."

Conservative: "It's fake news; Flynn is loyal to Trump."

Liberal: "How can it be fake news? Trump already tweeted about it."

Conservative: "No, he didn't!"

Liberal: "Not only did he tweet about it, his tweet was an admission of obstruction of justice and corruption."

Conservative: "He didn't tweet 'I admit to obstruction of justice and corruption.' You Libtards are such friggin' liars!"

Liberal: "First you say that he didn't tweet, now you're trying to sanitize his tweet."

Conservative: "Trying to have an intelligent discussion with Libtards is hopeless. I have more important things to do with my time than discussing fake news with morons, such as washing the sand out of my hair."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 03, 2017, 09:43:41 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 03, 2017, 08:58:33 AM

Liberal: "Flynn has turned state's evidence; this could be trouble for the Trump administration."

Conservative: "It's fake news; Flynn is loyal to Trump."

Liberal: "How can it be fake news? Trump already tweeted about it."

Conservative: "No, he didn't!"

Liberal: "Not only did he tweet about it, his tweet was an admission of obstruction of justice and corruption."

Conservative: "He didn't tweet 'I admit to obstruction of justice and corruption.' You Libtards are such friggin' liars!"

Liberal: "First you say that he didn't tweet, now you're trying to sanitize his tweet."

Conservative: "Trying to have an intelligent discussion with Libtards is hopeless. I have more important things to do with my time than discussing fake news with morons, such as washing the sand out of my hair."

At least conservative leaning media covers real news on those that actually were in the wrong.

New documents reveal FBI's Clinton cover-up

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/12/03/new-documents-reveal-fbis-clinton-cover-up.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 03, 2017, 10:03:58 AM

Beginning of the end, bye Trumpton...

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 03, 2017, 11:49:04 AM

Quote from: Ste on December 03, 2017, 10:03:58 AM

Beginning of the end, bye Trumpton...

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During Hillary's many excuses tour, the blame for her loss was not just Russian collusion. Given there's no credible evidence backing Russian collusion after many months of investigation it's very doubtful this will change.
President Trump won't be leaving office anytime soon.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 03, 2017, 02:57:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 22, 2017, 02:07:23 PM

This thing is morphing into the Salem Witch trials.

Just say the name of somebody else and point at them and the crowd wants to hang them or burn them at the stake.

Like Maximilien Robespierre?

Bill's prediction: Mistletoe, not as popular at the office this year.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 03, 2017, 03:01:38 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 03, 2017, 02:57:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 22, 2017, 02:07:23 PM
This thing is morphing into the Salem Witch trials.

Just say the name of somebody else and point at them and the crowd wants to hang them or burn them at the stake.

Like Maximilien Robespierre?

Bill's prediction: Mistletoe, not as popular at the office this year.

:ROFL: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 03, 2017, 03:07:55 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 03, 2017, 10:03:58 AM

Beginning of the end, bye Trumpton...

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Trump Associative Resistance Disorder still going strong for you? :king:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 03, 2017, 03:21:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 03, 2017, 03:07:55 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 03, 2017, 10:03:58 AM
Beginning of the end, bye Trumpton...

.

Trump Associative Resistance Disorder still going strong for you? :king:

Like the tremolo springs on a Fender Stratocaster, and someone's removed the cover plate....

I'm a bit tired, eleven countries in 4 days, Ireland, Wales, England, Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Wales, England, Wales, Ireland.

Couple of twicers and thricers in there...

Back in Dubs now, new clutch on car, £4k, ouch, warranty paid tho, went to Giant's Causeway in Norn Iron, Titanic museum in Belfast, visited an Honesty Box cafe, pay what you think it's worth, imagine that in Russia, no one would pay anything. I paid €12 for a cake and coffee!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on December 03, 2017, 03:49:24 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 03, 2017, 03:21:03 PM

I'm a bit tired, eleven countries in 4 days, Ireland, Wales, England, Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Wales, England, Wales, Ireland.

Couple of twicers and thricers in there...

Back in Dubs now, new clutch on car, £4k, ouch, warranty paid tho, went to Giant's Causeway in Norn Iron, Titanic museum in Belfast, visited an Honesty Box cafe, pay what you think it's worth, imagine that in Russia, no one would pay anything. I paid €12 for a cake and coffee!

Wowsers Ste, you deserve a good break after that marathon! The Titanic museum sounds interesting to me, would you recommend it? I imagine there must be some cool artifacts on display.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 03, 2017, 04:53:41 PM

The End of the American Empire

(http://weaponizednews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/End-of-Empire.jpg)

Read Here: http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2016/04/the-end-of-the-american-empire-2458258.html

also watch this:

:smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 03, 2017, 05:17:29 PM

Quote from: Wiz on December 03, 2017, 04:53:41 PM

The End of the American Empire

(http://weaponizednews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/End-of-Empire.jpg)

Read Here: http://beforeitsnews.com/terrorism/2016/04/the-end-of-the-american-empire-2458258.html

also watch this:

:smokin:

Wiz, do you have anything that might be a bit more current?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 03, 2017, 10:48:01 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 03, 2017, 05:17:29 PM

Wiz, do you have anything that might be a bit more current?

Tom Cat

I am bored to tears reading, on a daily basis, the "Dallas" or "Santa Barbara" saga & antics of your "Mafia" supported President who is also subordinate to Neta Yahoo of Israhell and I thought that you should be reminded of certain facts. :Zzzzsleep:

Obviously you don't like to hear the fact that USA is not the only Hegemon of the world and now the world has become multi-polar.

I also noticed that you very rarely make any comments apart from droping links to various articles, so what is the difference with my post?

Ah sorry I added a photo.! :P

:popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on December 04, 2017, 05:02:16 AM

With many Americans its alway a conspiracy, or its a plot by whiney Democrats. Its hard to believe the world's most prosperous country can be so divided.
Support for Israel, I guess it's an easy alliance when you ignore world law as long as it suits your position. Reading up on the movement BDS, one which I've done for a decade now
And reading this may help us to understand Americans better.
You Trump supporters like his Muslim ban yet fail to see he's left out the countries that actually killed Americans. But you never ask why? You boys bitch about Obama on everything, like he did not one good deed in 8 years. It's silly and sad. You guys have been fed so much hate and propaganda thinking that Muslims are out to kill you guys on your soil, yet they get tens of thousands less then your crazy gun crisis. Of which 30,000 are murdred, but nothing is said or done.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/how-america-lost-its-mind/534231/?utm_source=fbb

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 04, 2017, 06:40:10 AM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on December 03, 2017, 03:49:24 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 03, 2017, 03:21:03 PM
I'm a bit tired, eleven countries in 4 days, Ireland, Wales, England, Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Wales, England, Wales, Ireland.

Couple of twicers and thricers in there...

Back in Dubs now, new clutch on car, £4k, ouch, warranty paid tho, went to Giant's Causeway in Norn Iron, Titanic museum in Belfast, visited an Honesty Box cafe, pay what you think it's worth, imagine that in Russia, no one would pay anything. I paid €12 for a cake and coffee!

Wowsers Ste, you deserve a good break after that marathon! The Titanic museum sounds interesting to me, would you recommend it? I imagine there must be some cool artifacts on display.

Only had time for a quick whizz round, will need to do it again. Obviously the Titanic itself is not there lol!

I’m not a fan of recovering items from it, should be left where they are, more interested in the construction of the ship etc, of which I knew a fair bit already.

Giants Causeway was interesting, if a bit bleak, suffered by attempts to jazz it up by over-egging the mythical side rather than the geology aspect.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171204/1b1c440a03d326ec8813881aeb56323c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171204/53e8f06a2737a5a49eeb2cf4cb2b664a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171204/7543e967ee4ce3460eaa950d4c0abe20.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171204/8e6c2f4f41e60b568a66751211181210.jpg)

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 04, 2017, 07:30:26 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on December 04, 2017, 05:02:16 AM

a plot by whiney Democrats.

There are people who have been trying to undo the results of the election starting on the morning of November 9th.

Also, someone needs to get out the Shepherd's Crook for HRC. It's like we've spent a year trapped with her in therapy sessions. Can you imagine Mitt Romney screaming into his pillow after losing in 2012? Yeah, exactly.

Quote from: Donhollio on December 04, 2017, 05:02:16 AM

Its hard to believe the world's most prosperous country can be so divided.

Why? There are people who make things and then people who think they are entitled to free shit. Simples.

Quote from: Donhollio on December 04, 2017, 05:02:16 AM

Support for Israel, I guess it's an easy alliance when you ignore world law as long as it suits your position.

Israel is always the biggest recipient of US foreign aid in any given year, to the tune of BILLIONS of dollars. Israel owes it's continued EXISTENCE to US largess and weapons.

Quote from: Donhollio on December 04, 2017, 05:02:16 AM

Reading up on the movement BDS, one which I've done for a decade now

At some point, the Jews will figure out that the Left hates them.

Quote from: Donhollio on December 04, 2017, 05:02:16 AM

You Trump supporters like his Muslim ban yet fail to see he's left out the countries that actually killed Americans. But you never ask why?

There were citizens of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait on the 9/11 attacks. To blame Saudi and Kuwait for their actions would be as irrational as saying "I was mugged by a black guy once, therefore I blame all black guys."

Also, the reason that certain Islamic countries - i.e. most of them - were left off the "Ban" list has everything to do with the level of cooperation those nations provide the united states in vetting prospective visa applicants. Iraq was left off the second "ban" list because they changed policy w/r/t to cooperating with the US.

Quote from: Donhollio on December 04, 2017, 05:02:16 AM

...Muslims are out to kill you guys on your soil, yet they get tens of thousands less then your crazy gun crisis. Of which 30,000 are murdred, but nothing is said or done.

These two phenomena are unrelated. One could just as easily said, "But...CARS!!" The difference is that foreigners can be excluded at the border. Back on guns, your figures are incorrect: 2/3 of gun violence is actually suicides, and I'm fine with people making individual decisions about ending their own lives. It's a free country, etc. Also, if we really wanted to cut into the murder rate, we would disarm blacks: 13% of the population is responsible for ~51% of the murders.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on December 04, 2017, 08:39:33 AM

Quote from: Ste on December 04, 2017, 06:40:10 AM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on December 03, 2017, 03:49:24 PM
Quote from: Ste on December 03, 2017, 03:21:03 PM
I'm a bit tired, eleven countries in 4 days, Ireland, Wales, England, Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Ireland, Wales, England, Wales, Ireland.

Couple of twicers and thricers in there...

Back in Dubs now, new clutch on car, £4k, ouch, warranty paid tho, went to Giant's Causeway in Norn Iron, Titanic museum in Belfast, visited an Honesty Box cafe, pay what you think it's worth, imagine that in Russia, no one would pay anything. I paid €12 for a cake and coffee!

Wowsers Ste, you deserve a good break after that marathon! The Titanic museum sounds interesting to me, would you recommend it? I imagine there must be some cool artifacts on display.

Only had time for a quick whizz round, will need to do it again. Obviously the Titanic itself is not there lol!

I’m not a fan of recovering items from it, should be left where they are, more interested in the construction of the ship etc, of which I knew a fair bit already.

Giants Causeway was interesting, if a bit bleak, suffered by attempts to jazz it up by over-egging the mythical side rather than the geology aspect.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171204/1b1c440a03d326ec8813881aeb56323c.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171204/53e8f06a2737a5a49eeb2cf4cb2b664a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171204/7543e967ee4ce3460eaa950d4c0abe20.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171204/8e6c2f4f41e60b568a66751211181210.jpg)

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I agree with you about leaving the ship be... she's the resting place of many souls, removing articles from the wreck / seabed is akin to grave robbing. Even considering the huge cruise liners of today, the Titanic would be a sight to behold (in this day), I can't imagine what it must've felt like to behold in 1912.

Awesome photos, by the way.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 04, 2017, 09:04:07 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on December 04, 2017, 05:02:16 AM

And reading this may help us to understand Americans better.

If you make the presumption that stupidity and ignorance are epidemic in the United States, everything makes sense. Only a handful of the Americans who read this forum can construct a coherent sentence. Worse yet, their world views are shaped by what they hear on talk shows and they don't (or can't) do any fact checking. If the material validates their strange notions, "everything is good."

You may have noticed that some of my countrymen seem to support genocide and have the nuke-them-all mentality. These people are not aberrations; there are plenty more like them. Consider this: many of these flag-waving, Commie-hating psychopaths are in the search for a spouse from formerly Communist countries. The irony never crossed their minds because they can't get free of the delusion that drop-dead gorgeous and submissive FSU women dream of defective men.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 11:06:29 AM

Congratulations, Mueller! You've Just Disproved the Trump-Russia Collusion Conspiracy Theory

http://russia-insider.com/en/congratulations-mueller-youve-just-disproved-trump-russia-collusion-conspiracy-theory/ri21813

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 04, 2017, 11:43:11 AM

Exclusive: Trump lawyer claims the "President cannot obstruct justice" :laugh:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/amp/trump-lawyer-president-cannot-obstruct-justice-n826231

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 04, 2017, 12:19:59 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 04, 2017, 09:04:07 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on December 04, 2017, 05:02:16 AM
And reading this may help us to understand Americans better.

If you make the presumption that stupidity and ignorance are epidemic in the United States, everything makes sense. Only a handful of the Americans who read this forum can construct a coherent sentence. Worse yet, their world views are shaped by what they hear on talk shows and they don't (or can't) do any fact checking. If the material validates their strange notions, "everything is good."

You may have noticed that some of my countrymen seem to support genocide and have the nuke-them-all mentality. These people are not aberrations; there are plenty more like them. Consider this: many of these flag-waving, Commie-hating psychopaths are in the search for a spouse from formerly Communist countries. The irony never crossed their minds because they can't get free of the delusion that drop-dead gorgeous and submissive FSU women dream of defective men.

That last point occurred to me too. Very odd. Almost like former communists are ripe for right-wing exploitation both socially and the bedroom.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 01:26:54 PM

Quote from: Wiz on December 03, 2017, 10:48:01 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 03, 2017, 05:17:29 PM
Wiz, do you have anything that might be a bit more current?

Tom Cat

I am bored to tears reading, on a daily basis, the "Dallas" or "Santa Barbara" saga & antics of your "Mafia" supported President who is also subordinate to Neta Yahoo of Israhell and I thought that you should be reminded of certain facts. :Zzzzsleep:

Obviously you don't like to hear the fact that USA is not the only Hegemon of the world and now the world has become multi-polar.

I also noticed that you very rarely make any comments apart from droping links to various articles, so what is the difference with my post?

Ah sorry I added a photo.! :P

:popcorn:

Wiz, the article was from April 2016 The video from sept of the same year. I'm just not sure what it has to do with president Trump? At the time Hillary was assumed to be the next commander and chief

I keep an open mind and read articles even if I might not agree with what is written. So when you post something I do read it.

Anyway, I don't really care for your antisemitism, but bigotry and hate seems to effect some more than others

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 04, 2017, 01:54:08 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 04, 2017, 09:04:07 AM

If you make the presumption that stupidity and ignorance are epidemic
in the United States, everything makes sense.

One of the reasons, I argue here is that while I disagree with you politically
at least you (and others) know how to form an argument, you could find a
copy the constitution and are more than happy to provide a link if challenged
on something.

The people who can't or won't isn't solely populated by the right.
We all have our idiots and nutters. Maxine Waters or Sheila Jackson
Lee last I checked were lefty's.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 04, 2017, 03:05:17 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 01:26:54 PM

I keep an open mind and read articles even if I might not agree with what is written. So when you post something I do read it.

Anyway, I don't really care for your antisemitism, but bigotry and hate seems to effect some more than others

Obviously your reading comprehension is not up to scratch if you can't understand simple comments, like those I posted. Also why listening to historical facts in the video, despite it's old, are not useful to understand the current situation in your country, ..... if you actually live there?

I find your accusation of anti-Semitism and the rest of your comments, slanderous and pathetic to say the least, at the sheer mention of the world Isra(h)el.

I have in the past accused you for trolling and have not seen any interesting comments made from you.......... in any subject.

What I find funny is your comments at your avatar. Married to a Russian woman, Just looking and visited Russia to many times...........but I don'e remember reading anything from your personal experience............ perfect cover of a troll! :Stickouttongue3:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 04, 2017, 03:06:29 PM

Ste wrote:

Very odd. Almost like former communists are ripe for right-wing exploitation both socially and the bedroom.

Ste,
Young women born 1989 and later are not “former communists”. Even those born in 1985 will have few if any memories of communism.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 04, 2017, 03:13:12 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 01:26:54 PM

Quote from: Wiz on December 03, 2017, 10:48:01 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 03, 2017, 05:17:29 PM
Wiz, do you have anything that might be a bit more current?

Tom Cat

I am bored to tears reading, on a daily basis, the "Dallas" or "Santa Barbara" saga & antics of your "Mafia" supported President who is also subordinate to Neta Yahoo of Israhell and I thought that you should be reminded of certain facts. :Zzzzsleep:

Obviously you don't like to hear the fact that USA is not the only Hegemon of the world and now the world has become multi-polar.

I also noticed that you very rarely make any comments apart from droping links to various articles, so what is the difference with my post?

Ah sorry I added a photo.! :P

:popcorn:

Wiz, the article was from April 2016 The video from sept of the same year. I'm just not sure what it has to do with president Trump? At the time Hillary was assumed to be the next commander and chief

I keep an open mind and read articles even if I might not agree with what is written. So when you post something I do read it.

Anyway, I don't really care for your antisemitism, but bigotry and hate seems to effect some more than others

Anti-Semitism?

Half a million ME Christians and half a million Iraqi’s slaughter’d by Bush Jr’s war machine— ALL of them Semitic persons.

Don’t be fooled by Mossad word tricks to shut down discussion and investigation of what is really going on over there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 04, 2017, 03:30:17 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 04, 2017, 03:06:29 PM

Ste wrote:

Very odd. Almost like former communists are ripe for right-wing exploitation both socially and the bedroom.

Ste,
Young women born 1989 and later are not “former communists”. Even those born in 1985 will have few if any memories of communism.

Yes, but who here is looking for 28 year olds, we're all oldies...

My better half was born in 1983 (on International Woman's Day) and she remembers a shitload about communism, (well socialism, USSR was on the road to communism according to them, but socialist only, read about it).

And even so, parents and grandparents still regale stories, about Stalin and how the price of a loaf of bread never changed for 70 years, if you could get one. I can still sense her socialist upbringing, 50% plus, 50% minus, not all bad but not acceptable for us nowadays.

But, despite all that, they had an inside toilet, me in the UK only got one in 1972. When I was a kid we had the choice of the outside privy (ice water in winter), or a potty under the bed. And cos our house was so shit we had five to a bedroom, my parents and three kids, I can still hear my father pissing in the pot after a few pints of Magee's Brown Ale, and the smell....

At that time folks in the USSR had holidays (we never), heating systems (we never) and a toilet inside and a bath with no coal in it. Any wonder I'm socialist lol!!

Honestly, we didn't have one penny to rub together and I had no clothes at all until I was nine. Then my Dad bought me a cap so I could look out of the window. That last one is for Manny, he likes that one!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 04, 2017, 04:10:23 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 04, 2017, 03:30:17 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 04, 2017, 03:06:29 PM
Ste wrote:

Very odd. Almost like former communists are ripe for right-wing exploitation both socially and the bedroom.

Ste,
Young women born 1989 and later are not “former communists”. Even those born in 1985 will have few if any memories of communism.

Yes, but who here is looking for 28 year olds, we're all oldies...

My better half was born in 1983 (on International Woman's Day) and she remembers a shitload about communism, (well socialism, USSR was on the road to communism according to them, but socialist only, read about it).

And even so, parents and grandparents still regale stories, about Stalin and how the price of a loaf of bread never changed for 70 years, if you could get one. I can still sense her socialist upbringing, 50% plus, 50% minus, not all bad but not acceptable for us nowadays.

But, despite all that, they had an inside toilet, me in the UK only got one in 1972. When I was a kid we had the choice of the outside privy (ice water in winter), or a potty under the bed. And cos our house was so shit we had five to a bedroom, my parents and three kids, I can still hear my father pissing in the pot after a few pints of Magee's Brown Ale, and the smell....

At that time folks in the USSR had holidays (we never), heating systems (we never) and a toilet inside and a bath with no coal in it. Any wonder I'm socialist lol!!

Honestly, we didn't have one penny to rub together and I had no clothes at all until I was nine. Then my Dad bought me a cap so I could look out of the window. That last one is for Manny, he likes that one!

Sounds like your well off Communist GF has taken advantage of you Ste!

Me last GF were 28 years old and now I’m scheming for an even younger one. :king:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 05:29:21 PM

Quote from: Wiz on December 04, 2017, 03:05:17 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 01:26:54 PM
I keep an open mind and read articles even if I might not agree with what is written. So when you post something I do read it.

Anyway, I don't really care for your antisemitism, but bigotry and hate seems to effect some more than others

Obviously your reading comprehension is not up to scratch if you can't understand simple comments, like those I posted. Also why listening to historical facts in the video, despite it's old, are not useful to understand the current situation in your country, ..... if you actually live there?

I find your accusation of anti-Semitism and the rest of your comments, slanderous and pathetic to say the least, at the sheer mention of the world Isra(h)el.

I have in the past accused you for trolling and have not seen any interesting comments made from you.......... in any subject.

What I find funny is your comments at your avatar. Married to a Russian woman, Just looking and visited Russia to many times...........but I don'e remember reading anything from your personal experience............ perfect cover of a troll! :Stickouttongue3:

You sure do get off topic with simple question. It's doubtful my experience in Russia has anything of value to this thread on President Trump.
Your comments about Israel spelled correctly :) have something to be desired. But president Trumps son in law and daughter are Jewish so it'suunderstandable if there is some bias there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 04, 2017, 05:34:58 PM

Her family were quite well off I sense at that time, all well educated, no alcoholics, I never had any vodka at all over there, seriously, just not on the agenda.

But Yeltsin persuaded folks to keep their Roubles and cash in their dollars at a nice rate, they did and like for everyone else, it disappeared up Yeltsins arse-crack.

Still hard to shake off though, she's a total atheist as are her family, all this recent icon-clutching an anathema, no time for it as one myself.

But, it's part of their make-up, like it or not, recent or not, it still pervades, one needs to be empathic, you can't impose on it.

Meanwhile, you got Trump, we got Brexit. I'll not comment on Trump for a change but Brexit is up the shitter, as I said all along, NI border would scupper it, and May kissing the DUP's arse to stay in government has totally backfired, leaves the door open for our Bernie Sanders, who is a fine and principled man, one of the few left, Wedgie Benn 2.0 but is also anti-EU so not my whole cup of tea....

See, nothing in ever black or white, 100% this or that, Donholio is right.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 05:38:42 PM

December is looking to be a very good month for president Trump.
With the travel ban in effect and soon the tax bill may be ready.

Supreme Court lets full Trump travel ban take effect

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/supreme-court-travel-ban/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 04, 2017, 05:48:44 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 05:38:42 PM

December is looking to be a very good month for president Trump.
With the travel ban in effect and soon the tax bill may be ready.

Supreme Court lets full Trump travel ban take effect

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/supreme-court-travel-ban/index.html

Then why is it the rest of the world think Trump is a onanist and the most useless Pres. ever?

Is it cos the rest of the world doesn't understand or is cos he really is a retard?

He is a retard.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on December 04, 2017, 06:04:09 PM

I do not know how the tax reform bill rules will come out, but so far from the initial discussions, at least for me, it will result in a tax increase (possibly have to pony up several thousand). >:( :o :snivel: :THDN:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 04, 2017, 06:04:50 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 04, 2017, 05:48:44 PM

Then why is it the rest of the world think Trump is a onanist and the most useless Pres. ever?

Is it cos the rest of the world doesn't understand or is cos he really is a retard?

He is a retard.

The rest of the world LOVED!! LOVED!! LOVED!!
Jimmy Carter although he was a horrible president. He was
a total card carrying f#ck up. He helped wreck the US economy,
he single handedly created several terrorist groups funded by
Iran. He gave away the Panama canal. Inflation was in Double
figures, unemployment was in double figures, he lowered the
speed limit down to 55mph (88KM) for the entire country.
We are talking about a country thousands of miles across. We aren't
some little dinky island in the middle of the Ocean that you can drive
across in a day.

He was a knob and we hated him. He lost by the biggest landslide in
US history, but the people in UK loved him.

Who cares what the rest of the world thinks of Trump?
I don't give a f#ck who rules the UK, Australia, Germany, Canada,
New Zealand, Japan or anywhere else. I would prefer somebody who
gets along with us, but we both know, some do and some don't.

We get to pick our own leaders here. You will never see me tell
you who to pick. I might ask you about something because I am
curious, but seriously I care more about the price of tulip tea
(and I just made that up), than who the grand poo-poo is in
Ireland or Belgium.

I would have to look it up on the internet to see who the grand
poo-poo of Ireland is, do you know why??? BECAUSE I DON'T CARE!
If I cared I would know. I don't, so I don't.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on December 04, 2017, 06:08:41 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 04, 2017, 12:19:59 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 04, 2017, 09:04:07 AM
Quote from: Donhollio on December 04, 2017, 05:02:16 AM
And reading this may help us to understand Americans better.

If you make the presumption that stupidity and ignorance are epidemic in the United States, everything makes sense. Only a handful of the Americans who read this forum can construct a coherent sentence. Worse yet, their world views are shaped by what they hear on talk shows and they don't (or can't) do any fact checking. If the material validates their strange notions, "everything is good."

You may have noticed that some of my countrymen seem to support genocide and have the nuke-them-all mentality. These people are not aberrations; there are plenty more like them. Consider this: many of these flag-waving, Commie-hating psychopaths are in the search for a spouse from formerly Communist countries. The irony never crossed their minds because they can't get free of the delusion that drop-dead gorgeous and submissive FSU women dream of defective men.

That last point occurred to me too. Very odd. Almost like former communists are ripe for right-wing exploitation both socially and the bedroom.

As for me, my past direction in life was "altered" by Communism (for better or worse). So I suppose I should get a partner from that former regions so that my future direction in life will be "altered" (for better or worse). ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 06:10:51 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 04, 2017, 05:48:44 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 05:38:42 PM
December is looking to be a very good month for president Trump.
With the travel ban in effect and soon the tax bill may be ready.

Supreme Court lets full Trump travel ban take effect

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/supreme-court-travel-ban/index.html

Then why is it the rest of the world think Trump is a onanist and the most useless Pres. ever?

Is it cos the rest of the world doesn't understand or is cos he really is a retard?

He is a retard.

The liberal main stream media's bias reporting, along with fake news has not represented president Trump fairly.
You don't get to be a billionaire making stupid decisions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on December 04, 2017, 06:23:11 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 04, 2017, 05:48:44 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 05:38:42 PM
December is looking to be a very good month for president Trump.
With the travel ban in effect and soon the tax bill may be ready.

Supreme Court lets full Trump travel ban take effect

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/supreme-court-travel-ban/index.html

Then why is it the rest of the world think Trump is a onanist and the most useless Pres. ever?

Is it cos the rest of the world doesn't understand or is cos he really is a retard?

He is a retard.

Who are you to say everyone in the rest of the world thinks the way you do? How do you know this? It seems me the people who like him the least are in North Korea but they seem to like him in South Korea. The Japanese do not seem to have a problem with him. Are they part of the rest of the world? Ukraine hated him before the election but seem to like him better now. The Polls seem to be very happy with him on his last visit. Israel seems to be happy with our choice. Putin seems to like him better than Obama at least at election time.

Prove you are not a the retard and make a list of all the countries that you think do not like him out side of the EU. Maybe you think the EU is the whole world? Most of the world I do not think they care about Trump one way or the other.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 04, 2017, 06:59:13 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 05:29:21 PM

Quote from: Wiz on December 04, 2017, 03:05:17 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 01:26:54 PM
I keep an open mind and read articles even if I might not agree with what is written. So when you post something I do read it.

Anyway, I don't really care for your antisemitism, but bigotry and hate seems to effect some more than others

Obviously your reading comprehension is not up to scratch if you can't understand simple comments, like those I posted. Also why listening to historical facts in the video, despite it's old, are not useful to understand the current situation in your country, ..... if you actually live there?

I find your accusation of anti-Semitism and the rest of your comments, slanderous and pathetic to say the least, at the sheer mention of the world Isra(h)el.

I have in the past accused you for trolling and have not seen any interesting comments made from you.......... in any subject.

What I find funny is your comments at your avatar. Married to a Russian woman, Just looking and visited Russia to many times...........but I don'e remember reading anything from your personal experience............ perfect cover of a troll! :Stickouttongue3:

You sure do get off topic with simple question. It's doubtful my experience in Russia has anything of value to this thread on President Trump.
Your comments about Israel spelled correctly :) have something to be desired. But president Trumps son in law and daughter are Jewish so it's understandable if there is some bias there.

His son-in-law and daughter are mistakes and should go. :coffeeread:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek.com/rex-tillerson-concerned-jared-kushner-middle-east-peace-talks-could-tip-region-729335%3famp=1

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 08:04:23 PM

President Trump might be following Putin's lead on this one.

Trump, will “split the difference” on the issue

http://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Trump-and-Jlem-Breaking-a-consensus-517017

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 04, 2017, 08:21:06 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 04, 2017, 12:19:59 PM

That last point occurred to me too. Very odd. Almost like former communists are ripe for right-wing exploitation both socially and the bedroom.

The exploitation is, by no means, perpetrated only by the Right. Most Western men in the search opportunistically pursue girls who are way out of their league. Here's a conundrum: Liberals are more likely to be accepting of cultural differences and do not endorse American (or Western) exceptionalism but women from the FSU are more in step with Conservative authoritarianism and racism. Anyone who claims that those born after the breakup (December, 1991) were not influenced by the artifacts of Communism is displaying epic ignorance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 04, 2017, 08:29:08 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on December 04, 2017, 06:23:11 PM

Prove you are not a the [sic] retard and make a list of all the countries that you think do not like him out side [sic] of the EU.

Prove that you are not illiterate.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 04, 2017, 08:47:15 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 06:10:51 PM

The liberal main stream [sic] media's bias [sic] reporting, along with fake news has not represented president Trump fairly.
You don't get to be a billionaire making stupid decisions.

Apparently, you haven't heard of non sequitur.

One can become a billionaire by screwing everyone with whom he does business. Now, Trump is in the position to screw the entire country and, when he does, his supporters will follow him down the road to hell and blame Obama for the consequences of his (and their) idiocy. The hundreds or thousands of landowners who voted for Trump and who will be forcibly removed from their properties in the course of eminent domain actions to make way for the wall come to mind. The previous sentence can be summarized with one word: karma.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 08:56:05 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 04, 2017, 08:29:08 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on December 04, 2017, 06:23:11 PM
Prove you are not a the [sic] retard and make a list of all the countries that you think do not like him out side [sic] of the EU.

Prove that you are not illiterate.

http://www.pewglobal.org/2017/06/26/u-s-image-suffers-as-publics-around-world-question-trumps-leadership/

Using one of those independent think tank sources that hit the nail on the head when predicting the election outcome? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 08:59:37 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 04, 2017, 08:47:15 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 06:10:51 PM
The liberal main stream [sic] media's bias [sic] reporting, along with fake news has not represented president Trump fairly.
You don't get to be a billionaire making stupid decisions.

Apparently, you haven't heard of non sequitur.

One can become a billionaire by screwing everyone with whom he did business. Now, Trump is in the position to screw the entire country and, when he does, his supporters will follow him down the road to hell and blame Obama for the consequences of his (and their) idiocy.

Just had 8 years of getting screwed under Obama. Don't need to wait to put the blame where it belongs.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 04, 2017, 09:18:04 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 08:56:05 PM

Using one of those independent think tank sources that hit the nail on the head when predicting the election outcome? :chuckle:

My God! You don't know the difference between a think tank and a polling organization! Moreover, you seem to have forgotten, if you ever knew, that Clinton won the popular vote by more than two percent. Pollsters predict the popular vote, not the outcome of the election. ("Election" is a noun, not an adjective.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 04, 2017, 09:29:38 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 08:59:37 PM

Just had 8 years of getting screwed under Obama.

You should have gotten on top then.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 09:30:44 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 04, 2017, 09:18:04 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 08:56:05 PM
Using one of those independent think tank sources that hit the nail on the head when predicting the election outcome? :chuckle:

My God! You don't know the difference between a think tank and a polling organization! Moreover, you seem to have forgotten, if you ever knew, that Clinton won the popular vote by more than two percent. Pollsters predict the popular vote, not the outcome of the election. ("Election" is a noun, not an adjective.)

Pew Research Center

Pew Research Center › homeA nonpartisan fact tank that informs the public about the issues, attitudes and trends shaping America and the world. It conducts public opinion polling,

I did mean fact tank, anyway, it's gonna be a glorious time with our beloved President Trump making America great again!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 09:34:20 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 04, 2017, 09:29:38 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 08:59:37 PM
Just had 8 years of getting screwed under Obama.

You should have picked the top then.

:ROFL: I wasn't given an option.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on December 04, 2017, 10:45:38 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 04, 2017, 03:30:17 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 04, 2017, 03:06:29 PM
Ste wrote:

Very odd. Almost like former communists are ripe for right-wing exploitation both socially and the bedroom.

Ste,
Young women born 1989 and later are not “former communists”. Even those born in 1985 will have few if any memories of communism.

Yes, but who here is looking for 28 year olds, we're all oldies...

My better half was born in 1983 (on International Woman's Day) and she remembers a shitload about communism, (well socialism, USSR was on the road to communism according to them, but socialist only, read about it).

And even so, parents and grandparents still regale stories, about Stalin and how the price of a loaf of bread never changed for 70 years, if you could get one. I can still sense her socialist upbringing, 50% plus, 50% minus, not all bad but not acceptable for us nowadays.

But, despite all that, they had an inside toilet, me in the UK only got one in 1972. When I was a kid we had the choice of the outside privy (ice water in winter), or a potty under the bed. And cos our house was so shit we had five to a bedroom, my parents and three kids, I can still hear my father pissing in the pot after a few pints of Magee's Brown Ale, and the smell....

At that time folks in the USSR had holidays (we never), heating systems (we never) and a toilet inside and a bath with no coal in it. Any wonder I'm socialist lol!!

Honestly, we didn't have one penny to rub together and I had no clothes at all until I was nine. Then my Dad bought me a cap so I could look out of the window. That last one is for Manny, he likes that one!

Ste, I certainly don't envy you your childhood.

What an eye-opener for me... I would have imagined the opposite to be true (such conditions existing in the Soviet Union, not the UK).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on December 05, 2017, 05:09:39 AM

Quote from: Ste on December 04, 2017, 05:34:58 PM

I'll not comment on Trump for a change but Brexit is up the shitter, as I said all along, NI border would scupper it

I see you're still embracing the can do attitude and keeping an open mind. I'm sure you're not one of those sad little people praying for it to fail so they can say i told you so.

Ireland is an easy fix, just pull them out of the EU too. Sounds mad eh but that's what they voted for a number of years back until they were all forced to vote again until the required result was obtained. :-X

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on December 05, 2017, 05:16:55 AM

Quote from: Ste on December 04, 2017, 05:48:44 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 05:38:42 PM
December is looking to be a very good month for president Trump.
With the travel ban in effect and soon the tax bill may be ready.

Supreme Court lets full Trump travel ban take effect

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/supreme-court-travel-ban/index.html

Then why is it the rest of the world think Trump is a onanist and the most useless Pres. ever?

Is it cos the rest of the world doesn't understand or is cos he really is a retard?

He is a retard.

I see you've adopted the classic liberal stance - I'll arrogantly speak on behalf of everyone else because I think I'm right and disagree with anyone with a different opinion. But I'm still tolerant.

You lot hate Trump because he's reversed many ridiculous policies put in place by a fairly liberal government and there's nothing you can do but stamp your feet and cry. You also hate that he's stopped funding many world organisations or reduced the cash flow because he considers them a bad deal for the US.

I dislike Trump because he's awkward and behaves like a bully. He's a different type of politician than we're used to i.e. says what he thinks and it's a shock to the system. I cant get mad at him for putting the US first however because thats exactly the type of leader I'd like to have.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on December 05, 2017, 05:19:31 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 04, 2017, 06:04:50 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 04, 2017, 05:48:44 PM

Then why is it the rest of the world think Trump is a onanist and the most useless Pres. ever?

Is it cos the rest of the world doesn't understand or is cos he really is a retard?

He is a retard.

The rest of the world LOVED!! LOVED!! LOVED!!
Jimmy Carter although he was a horrible president. He was
a total card carrying f#ck up. He helped wreck the US economy,
he single handedly created several terrorist groups funded by
Iran. He gave away the Panama canal. Inflation was in Double
figures, unemployment was in double figures, he lowered the
speed limit down to 55mph (88KM) for the entire country.
We are talking about a country thousands of miles across. We aren't
some little dinky island in the middle of the Ocean that you can drive
across in a day.

He was a knob and we hated him. He lost by the biggest landslide in
US history, but the people in UK loved him.

Who cares what the rest of the world thinks of Trump?
I don't give a f#ck who rules the UK, Australia, Germany, Canada,
New Zealand, Japan or anywhere else. I would prefer somebody who
gets along with us, but we both know, some do and some don't.

We get to pick our own leaders here. You will never see me tell
you who to pick. I might ask you about something because I am
curious, but seriously I care more about the price of tulip tea
(and I just made that up), than who the grand poo-poo is in
Ireland or Belgium.

I would have to look it up on the internet to see who the grand
poo-poo of Ireland is, do you know why??? BECAUSE I DON'T CARE!
If I cared I would know. I don't, so I don't.

Totally agree.

The left cant stand not being in control so they try to influence elections all over the world, which is quote ironic given recent events. Brexit & Trump hit the left pretty hard and we're now seeing their nasty side.

I say give the politicians enough rope and they'll hang themselves for being wrong. Try and bully them publicly and you'll only strengthen their resolve.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on December 05, 2017, 05:26:22 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 04, 2017, 08:47:15 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 06:10:51 PM
The liberal main stream [sic] media's bias [sic] reporting, along with fake news has not represented president Trump fairly.
You don't get to be a billionaire making stupid decisions.

Apparently, you haven't heard of non sequitur.

One can become a billionaire by screwing everyone with whom he does business. Now, Trump is in the position to screw the entire country and, when he does, his supporters will follow him down the road to hell and blame Obama for the consequences of his (and their) idiocy. The hundreds or thousands of landowners who voted for Trump and who will be forcibly removed from their properties in the course of eminent domain actions to make way for the wall come to mind. The previous sentence can be summarized with one word: karma.

You could well be correct here Tom but making him the villain before the event, further splits society.

I'm saddened to see that state of western politics at the moment and have many friends and business colleagues with varying opinions. It's healthy to have something to debate otherwise you'd have nothing meaningful to discuss. I also accept many ideas from the left and the right, nobody can be correct all the time. It's the extremities at each end of the scale who cause most harm yet they appear to be given pole position in the media.

We seem to be divided on all fronts politically and reading current affairs only dilutes my respect for humanity. Sad times.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 05, 2017, 09:15:21 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 04, 2017, 11:43:11 AM

Exclusive: Trump lawyer claims the "President cannot obstruct justice" :laugh:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/amp/trump-lawyer-president-cannot-obstruct-justice-n826231

Not sure I would laugh.

While in the past and remain so looking at the Presidency of D. Trump in a skeptical and doubtful stand/view point, the alternative of HRC is just to awful to consider. I find my self more frequently comparing Trump and the former leader of Italy, they share many similarities. As I recall before the Senate he defended his intimacy with an underage prostitute with the line well at least I am not gay.

The statement that the lawyer wrote/made the Twitter post, that Trump cannot obstruct justice is a wonderful get out of jail card. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 05, 2017, 09:47:29 AM

Quote from: rosco on December 05, 2017, 05:26:22 AM

You could well be correct here Tom but making him the villain before the event, further splits society.

Past performance may not be a reliable indicator of future outcomes in the investment sphere but it is a good predictor of future human behavior. Trump has screwed everyone, even Putin. Mitt Romney understated the situation when he declared: "Here's what I know: Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. He's playing members of the American public for suckers: He gets a free ride to the White House, and all we get is a lousy hat."

I don't condemn him for what he will do in the future; he has done more than enough in the past to deserve condemnation... and he isn't getting any better. Incidentally, I'm not a Liberal; I'm a Conservative and a registered Republican. Nonetheless, supporting the MOAA to validate the stupidity of the suckers in my party is out of the question.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 05, 2017, 09:59:38 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 04, 2017, 06:04:50 PM

He (Carter) lost by the biggest landslide in
US history, but the people in UK loved him.

Check your facts, Bill.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 05, 2017, 10:10:34 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 05, 2017, 09:15:21 AM

Not sure I would laugh.

While in the past and remain so looking at the Presidency of D. Trump in a skeptical and doubtful stand/view point, the alternative of HRC is just to awful to consider. I find my self more frequently comparing Trump and the former leader of Italy, they share many similarities. As I recall before the Senate he defended his intimacy with an underage prostitute with the line well at least I am not gay.

The statement that the lawyer wrote/made the Twitter post, that Trump cannot obstruct justice is a wonderful get out of jail card. tiphat

Bill Clinton was impeached by the house on two charges, one of perjury
and one of obstruction of justice, but he wasn't convicted.

However, obstructing justice is much harder to do or prove for a President
because they are the head of the executive branch and they have prosecutorial
discretion and they run the justice department. Obama didn't enforce immigration
law and other things he didn't like. He weaponized the justice department to
investigate Trump for Logan act violations after he became president, but before
he was sworn in.

Most consider the Logan act unconstitutional and ZERO people have been
tried for it since it was enacted in 1799, but Obama used the Logan act as
the reason to start an investigation of a newly elected president.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 05, 2017, 10:15:33 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 05, 2017, 09:59:38 AM

Check your facts, Bill.

Yes, I was wrong.

The largest electoral college victory was
1. Reagan/Mondale
2. Nixon/McGovern
3. Reagan/Carter

At the time it was the second biggest election landslide since the electoral
college increased to 538 members and the Europeans LOVED him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 05, 2017, 11:47:19 AM

Quote from: rosco on December 05, 2017, 05:16:55 AM

Quote from: Ste on December 04, 2017, 05:48:44 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 05:38:42 PM
December is looking to be a very good month for president Trump.
With the travel ban in effect and soon the tax bill may be ready.

Supreme Court lets full Trump travel ban take effect

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/supreme-court-travel-ban/index.html

Then why is it the rest of the world think Trump is a onanist and the most useless Pres. ever?

Is it cos the rest of the world doesn't understand or is cos he really is a retard?

He is a retard.

I see you've adopted the classic liberal stance - I'll arrogantly speak on behalf of everyone else because I think I'm right and disagree with anyone with a different opinion. But I'm still tolerant.

You lot hate Trump because he's reversed many ridiculous policies put in place by a fairly liberal government and there's nothing you can do but stamp your feet and cry. You also hate that he's stopped funding many world organisations or reduced the cash flow because he considers them a bad deal for the US.

I dislike Trump because he's awkward and behaves like a bully. He's a different type of politician than we're used to i.e. says what he thinks and it's a shock to the system. I cant get mad at him for putting the US first however because thats exactly the type of leader I'd like to have.

You would absolutely LOVE Trump if you had lived through 8 years of Obama. I’m not at all joking either.

Bush Jr. was better domestically but started two unnecessary wars at tremendous cost to human life and treasury.

Trump is a breath of fresh air in comparison to either.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 05, 2017, 11:51:24 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 05, 2017, 09:15:21 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 04, 2017, 11:43:11 AM
Exclusive: Trump lawyer claims the "President cannot obstruct justice" :laugh:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/amp/trump-lawyer-president-cannot-obstruct-justice-n826231

Not sure I would laugh.

While in the past and remain so looking at the Presidency of D. Trump in a skeptical and doubtful stand/view point, the alternative of HRC is just to awful to consider. I find my self more frequently comparing Trump and the former leader of Italy, they share many similarities. As I recall before the Senate he defended his intimacy with an underage prostitute with the line well at least I am not gay.

The statement that the lawyer wrote/made the Twitter post, that Trump cannot obstruct justice is a wonderful get out of jail card. tiphat

Alan Dershowitz agrees with Trump’s lawyer and IIRC Dershowitz is a Constitutional scholar.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on December 05, 2017, 12:14:57 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 05, 2017, 09:47:29 AM

Quote from: rosco on December 05, 2017, 05:26:22 AM
You could well be correct here Tom but making him the villain before the event, further splits society.

Past performance may not be a reliable indicator of future outcomes in the investment sphere but it is a good predictor of future human behavior. Trump has screwed everyone, even Putin. Mitt Romney understated the situation when he declared: "Here's what I know: Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud. His promises are as worthless as a degree from Trump University. He's playing members of the American public for suckers: He gets a free ride to the White House, and all we get is a lousy hat."

I don't condemn him for what he will do in the future; he has done more than enough in the past to deserve condemnation... and he isn't getting any better. Incidentally, I'm not a Liberal; I'm a Conservative and a registered Republican. Nonetheless, supporting the MOAA to validate the stupidity of the suckers in my party is out of the question.

Fair point and can’t argue with any of that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 05, 2017, 02:35:49 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 05, 2017, 11:51:24 AM

Alan Dershowitz agrees with Trump’s lawyer and IIRC Dershowitz is a Constitutional scholar.

Dershowitz was also part of the team that helped O.J. Simpson get away with a double murder. These are fine credentials; we should treat everything that he says as gospel. I have a theory: assholes ally themselves with other assholes because decent people want no part of them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 05, 2017, 10:15:45 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 05, 2017, 02:35:49 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 05, 2017, 11:51:24 AM
Alan Dershowitz agrees with Trump’s lawyer and IIRC Dershowitz is a Constitutional scholar.

Dershowitz was also part of the team that helped O.J. Simpson get away with a double murder. These are fine credentials; we should treat everything that he says as gospel. I have a theory: assholes ally themselves with other assholes because decent people want no part of them.

You have a lot of theories and in fact the common thread of how you present your opinions is you consistently attempt to “poison the well” which is an obvious logical fallacy.

You’re hardly a “decent person” yourself and neither are you a Republican, contrary to your assertion above.

No honorable Republican would ever vote for Hillary and neither would a Republican persistently whine for gun control.

Last but not least a Republican would not use labels such as misogynistic etc. in attempts to smear their opponents.

Whether or not Dershowitz defended OJ Simpson is also a logical fallacy and a moot point. Yet as an aside revealing of your character. Per the American system of justice a defendant has the right to a be defended by competent Attorneys at Law.

You consistently frame your arguments with implied slander and you consistently avoid the real subject with continuous deflections.

Claiming to be a Republican at this late stage of the game brands you as a liar.

The fact that you’ve consistently ignored HRC destruction of evidence, perjury, obstruction of justice and assassination of her political opponents only reinforces the fact that you’re a liar; and like all liberals you believe the ends justify the means.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 05, 2017, 10:27:51 PM

Wait for it: he’ll come along to attack the messenger (me) and to offer more theories about “assholes”. :laugh:

We have the qualified opinions of Harvard Law School Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz, and we have certain theories of perhaps a lesser qualified person.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lifezette.com/polizette/dershowitz-this-isnt-watergate/amp/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 05, 2017, 10:31:50 PM

My opinion: Melania or somebody needs to keep the man OFF of Twitter in regards to the Russian investigation until it is over. Please!

quote
“Throughout United States history — from Presidents Adams to Jefferson to Lincoln to Roosevelt to Kennedy to Obama — presidents have directed (not merely requested) the Justice Department to investigate, prosecute (or not prosecute) specific individuals or categories of individuals”.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/08/alan-dershowitz-president-trump-could-have-just-pardoned-michael-flynn

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 06, 2017, 07:57:34 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 05, 2017, 10:15:45 PM

You have a lot of theories and in fact the common thread of how you present your opinions is you consistently attempt to “poison the well” which is an obvious logical fallacy.

You’re hardly a “decent person” yourself and neither are you a Republican, contrary to your assertion above.

No honorable Republican would ever vote for Hillary and neither would a Republican persistently whine for gun control.

Last but not least a Republican would not use labels such as misogynistic etc. in attempts to smear their opponents.

Whether or not Dershowitz defended OJ Simpson is also a logical fallacy and a moot point. Yet as an aside revealing of your character. Per the American system of justice a defendant has the right to a be defended by competent Attorneys at Law.

You consistently frame your arguments with implied slander and you consistently avoid the real subject with continuous deflections.

Claiming to be a Republican at this late stage of the game brands you as a liar.

The fact that you’ve consistently ignored HRC destruction of evidence, perjury, obstruction of justice and assassination of her political opponents only reinforces the fact that you’re a liar; and like all liberals you believe the ends justify the means.

You appear to have been coached by someone who is slightly smarter than a moron. Despite this, you followed up your wailing about my fallacious arguments with the no-true-Scotsman fallacy. (Ask your mentor what that means.) I grant you, I've ignored certain things, including the threatening comment that an asshole sent to my facebook inbox.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 06, 2017, 08:06:07 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 05, 2017, 10:27:51 PM

Wait for it: he’ll come along to attack the messenger (me) and to offer more theories about “assholes”. :laugh:

We have the qualified opinions of Harvard Law School Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz, and we have certain theories of perhaps a lesser qualified person.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lifezette.com/polizette/dershowitz-this-isnt-watergate/amp/

Quote from: B.B. on February 24, 2017, 10:46:37 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 21, 2017, 03:51:00 PM
1.1 percent more than her opponent ....

The problem with hypotheticals is the "all things being equal" part. For example, to declare HRC the 'winner' because of the popular vote not only ignores the Electoral College, but also assumes that Trump would have run the same style of campaign, i.e. ignoring blue states he had no chance of winning.

One would have to assume that Trump would have run the same style of campaign, rather than focusing his efforts based on the dictates of the electoral college.

Further, one would have to assume that the numbers of the voting public would have to stay the same, and that GOP voters in large states like California and New York and Illinois would have stayed home when their votes actually counted for something, overall. I note that the same could be said for Democratic voters in Red States, but of the five most populous states, three are reliably deep blue, Texas is Red and Florida is purple. So the likelihood would seem to be that more GOP voters would turn up - and the GOP is traditionally better at getting the vote out.

Finally, another way of looking at it is that Trump won 31+ "popular votes" (the distribution by congressional district in Maine and Nebraska skew the numbers a bit).

So all this gibberish about how HRC "really" won is simply that, gibberish.

Quote from: shakespear on February 24, 2017, 05:07:39 PM
Quote from: Confederate on February 24, 2017, 02:28:24 PM
Video of highlights of Trump's CPAC speech. CNN and a couple other outlets were blocked from attending the press junction for this event. :laugh:

That was a really stupid move.

Trump really has to learn how to use a scalpel instead of a sledgehammer to make his points.

Meh. Let's review: Trump hates the legacy media, and they hate him. Spicer had a pool event (not a briefing) and he didn't invite a few of the cool kids -- the commies at CNN, the failing, Mexican-owned NYT, the irredentists at LAT and the asshats at WaPo...so basically Hillary's base -- on purpose. They're not used to ... wait for it ... having their "privilege" checked, and they're squealing about it, Facebook is triggered, and Twitter is (I assume) in flames.

The elite media look like idiots, the base LOVES it, and Trump and Bannon are having a big laugh over Spicer's prank, while they're having a brandy and plotting which liberal sacred cow to poke with a sharp, pointy stick next.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 06, 2017, 08:06:44 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 05, 2017, 10:27:51 PM

Wait for it: he’ll come along to attack the messenger (me) and to offer more theories about “assholes”. :laugh:

Yep right on cue!

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 06, 2017, 08:14:12 AM

This will really annoy our self-righteous SJW types. :chuckle:

quote
“Former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon attacked Mitt Romney for not serving in the military after the former Massachusetts governor and 2012 Republican presidential nominee said "honor" and "integrity" were more important than votes or maintaining a Republican majority in the Senate”.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/steve-bannon-knocks-mitt-romney-for-lack-of-military-service-while-defending-roy-moore/article/2642676

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 06, 2017, 08:23:03 AM

Tom Cat

This message about your post, just arrived in my inbox and I know all my enmails work fine and very fast..... so I don't know why such a delay?

Quote

Tom cat

You sure do get off topic with simple question. It's doubtful my experience in Russia has anything of value to this thread on President Trump.

Your comments about Israel spelled correctly :) have something to be desired. But president Trumps son in law and daughter are Jewish so it'suunderstandable if there is some bias there.

If you know, as you say, can read, understand and comprehend the subjects in the article, I suggest you read the following article and then comeback and tell us your views. NOT MY ARTICLE..........

http://russia-insider.com/en/acute-zionist-infestation-causing-misery-everywhere/ri21794

I would suggest to you in the future to be more careful before making accusations about Anti-Semitism, on my posts and learn to read better my posts.

To be honest I don't give a :censored: if you are a Jew, Semite or a Moscovite Duck. You are not going to shut me talking about any subject I want to make comments.

Anybody can go and read all your posts since you joined the board, a couple of years ago. Typical cover of a Jewish Troll.
Check my profile, member since 2007 and than you can talk!

All the old members know that I don't hesitate to express my views openly!
:smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 06, 2017, 08:44:45 AM

Counterfeit,

I thought it odd that B.B. started typing a rebuttal to reply #9000 last night but never posted it. Shortly thereafter, your literacy suddenly and dramatically improved. That begged the question: did you become educated overnight or are you being coached by an ally? (See my previous theory.) Frankly, I think that the entire matter is hilarious.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 06, 2017, 09:05:14 AM

TomTroll,

I have not been coached by anyone on this forum nor have I consulted with anyone outside of it. My posts are mine alone; if I happen to use a certain phrase it’s merely a coincidence as the particular phrase might be in vogue nationwide. How much time and effort is consumed drafting posts depends upon my mood which varies. However if you find it “hilarious” glad to entertain. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 06, 2017, 02:23:35 PM

Quote from: Wiz on December 06, 2017, 08:23:03 AM

Tom Cat

This message about your post, just arrived in my inbox and I know all my enmails work fine and very fast..... so I don't know why such a delay?

Quote
Tom cat

You sure do get off topic with simple question. It's doubtful my experience in Russia has anything of value to this thread on President Trump.

Your comments about Israel spelled correctly :) have something to be desired. But president Trumps son in law and daughter are Jewish so it'suunderstandable if there is some bias there.

If you know, as you say, can read, understand and comprehend the subjects in the article, I suggest you read the following article and then comeback and tell us your views. NOT MY ARTICLE..........

http://russia-insider.com/en/acute-zionist-infestation-causing-misery-everywhere/ri21794

I would suggest to you in the future to be more careful before making accusations about Anti-Semitism, on my posts and learn to read better my posts.

To be honest I don't give a :censored: if you are a Jew, Semite or a Moscovite Duck. You are not going to shut me talking about any subject I want to make comments.

Anybody can go and read all your posts since you joined the board, a couple of years ago. Typical cover of a Jewish Troll.
Check my profile, member since 2007 and than you can talk!

All the old members know that I don't hesitate to express my views openly!
:smokin:

Wiz, I think you would have had splendid conversations with my father, he too despised jews. I'm sure it's from his Greek ancestry. I myself had my fill of this growing up and formed my own opinions.
I did read your article link, and it's not changing my view point. But I do thank you that it was more current than the other articles.

As for you long history of posting here since 2007 , I've been on this site since 2009 not that it should matter.
I did take the time to read some of your very first posts from 2007 and you wasted no time in calling other members Trolls, have to wonder how often when someone does not agree with you that you feel the need to
call them trolls?

Well now you know I'm not Jewish, and been here more than a couple years.
We can just forget about my Greek ancestry being I refuse to condemn Jewish people.

Bit more current news today Trump made an announcement about Jerusalem. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 06, 2017, 03:11:46 PM

Trump impeachment vote fails overwhelmingly

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/trump-impeachment-vote-fail-282888

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 06, 2017, 03:23:14 PM

Fellow Dems are asking senator Al Franken to resign. I think the governor has to replace him with another Dem, not sure od Mn requirements for voting in a new senator before term ends?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/06/politics/al-franken-democratic-senators-resign/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 06, 2017, 04:00:48 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 04, 2017, 03:13:12 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: Wiz on December 03, 2017, 10:48:01 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 03, 2017, 05:17:29 PM
Wiz, do you have anything that might be a bit more current?

Tom Cat

I am bored to tears reading, on a daily basis, the "Dallas" or "Santa Barbara" saga & antics of your "Mafia" supported President who is also subordinate to Neta Yahoo of Israhell and I thought that you should be reminded of certain facts. :Zzzzsleep:

Obviously you don't like to hear the fact that USA is not the only Hegemon of the world and now the world has become multi-polar.

I also noticed that you very rarely make any comments apart from droping links to various articles, so what is the difference with my post?

Ah sorry I added a photo.! :P

:popcorn:

Wiz, the article was from April 2016 The video from sept of the same year. I'm just not sure what it has to do with president Trump? At the time Hillary was assumed to be the next commander and chief

I keep an open mind and read articles even if I might not agree with what is written. So when you post something I do read it.

Anyway, I don't really care for your antisemitism, but bigotry and hate seems to effect some more than others

Anti-Semitism?

Half a million ME Christians and half a million Iraqi’s slaughter’d by Bush Jr’s war machine— ALL of them Semitic persons.

Don’t be fooled by Mossad word tricks to shut down discussion and investigation of what is really going on over there.

I noticed you didn’t answer my post Tom Cat. The term “anti-Semitic” is misused by Jews and they do it deliberately in order to shutdown any discussion or investigation into activities they pretend don’t exist; for example extensive genocide committed by Atheistic Communist Jews during Lenin and Stalin’s reign of terror against Russian Orthodox Christians.

There are millions of secular Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Yazidi’s, etc. in the Middle East who are Semitic but not Jewish and who might like to have their voices heard.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 06, 2017, 04:54:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 06, 2017, 04:00:48 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 04, 2017, 03:13:12 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: Wiz on December 03, 2017, 10:48:01 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 03, 2017, 05:17:29 PM
Wiz, do you have anything that might be a bit more current?

Tom Cat

I am bored to tears reading, on a daily basis, the "Dallas" or "Santa Barbara" saga & antics of your "Mafia" supported President who is also subordinate to Neta Yahoo of Israhell and I thought that you should be reminded of certain facts. :Zzzzsleep:

Obviously you don't like to hear the fact that USA is not the only Hegemon of the world and now the world has become multi-polar.

I also noticed that you very rarely make any comments apart from droping links to various articles, so what is the difference with my post?

Ah sorry I added a photo.! :P

:popcorn:

Wiz, the article was from April 2016 The video from sept of the same year. I'm just not sure what it has to do with president Trump? At the time Hillary was assumed to be the next commander and chief

I keep an open mind and read articles even if I might not agree with what is written. So when you post something I do read it.

Anyway, I don't really care for your antisemitism, but bigotry and hate seems to effect some more than others

Anti-Semitism?

Half a million ME Christians and half a million Iraqi’s slaughter’d by Bush Jr’s war machine— ALL of them Semitic persons.

Don’t be fooled by Mossad word tricks to shut down discussion and investigation of what is really going on over there.

I noticed you didn’t answer my post Tom Cat. The term “anti-Semitic” is misused by Jews and they do it deliberately in order to shutdown any discussion or investigation into activities they pretend don’t exist; for example extensive genocide committed by Atheistic Communist Jews during Lenin and Stalin’s reign of terror against Russian Orthodox Christians.

There are millions of secular Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Yazidi’s, etc. in the Middle East who are Semitic but not Jewish and who might like to have their voices heard.

Confederate, take a moment and read the definition of anti Semitic.
As for why I didn't reply before, read my last reply to Wiz, I had a lifetime of anti Jewish rhetoric, and really don't care to converse about it.
I try to judge people individually, I've dated Jewish women, my late wife was orginally Muslim converted to Russian orthodox. I've dated women of other faiths as well.
My personal view is if we could get rid of every religion the world would be much better off. :biggrin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 06, 2017, 06:18:26 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 06, 2017, 04:54:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 06, 2017, 04:00:48 PM
Quote from: Confederate on December 04, 2017, 03:13:12 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: Wiz on December 03, 2017, 10:48:01 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 03, 2017, 05:17:29 PM
Wiz, do you have anything that might be a bit more current?

Tom Cat

I am bored to tears reading, on a daily basis, the "Dallas" or "Santa Barbara" saga & antics of your "Mafia" supported President who is also subordinate to Neta Yahoo of Israhell and I thought that you should be reminded of certain facts. :Zzzzsleep:

Obviously you don't like to hear the fact that USA is not the only Hegemon of the world and now the world has become multi-polar.

I also noticed that you very rarely make any comments apart from droping links to various articles, so what is the difference with my post?

Ah sorry I added a photo.! :P

:popcorn:

Wiz, the article was from April 2016 The video from sept of the same year. I'm just not sure what it has to do with president Trump? At the time Hillary was assumed to be the next commander and chief

I keep an open mind and read articles even if I might not agree with what is written. So when you post something I do read it.

Anyway, I don't really care for your antisemitism, but bigotry and hate seems to effect some more than others

Anti-Semitism?

Half a million ME Christians and half a million Iraqi’s slaughter’d by Bush Jr’s war machine— ALL of them Semitic persons.

Don’t be fooled by Mossad word tricks to shut down discussion and investigation of what is really going on over there.

I noticed you didn’t answer my post Tom Cat. The term “anti-Semitic” is misused by Jews and they do it deliberately in order to shutdown any discussion or investigation into activities they pretend don’t exist; for example extensive genocide committed by Atheistic Communist Jews during Lenin and Stalin’s reign of terror against Russian Orthodox Christians.

There are millions of secular Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Yazidi’s, etc. in the Middle East who are Semitic but not Jewish and who might like to have their voices heard.

Confederate, take a moment and read the definition of anti Semitic.
As for why I didn't reply before, read my last reply to Wiz, I had a lifetime of anti Jewish rhetoric, and really don't care to converse about it.
I try to judge people individually, I've dated Jewish women, my late wife was orginally Muslim converted to Russian orthodox. I've dated women of other faiths as well.
My personal view is if we could get rid of every religion the world would be much better off. :biggrin:

I’ve already read your replies to Wiz. I also know the (alleged) “official” definition of anti-Semitism yet unlike you I know it’s a word-trick and a con.

For a guy who is open-minded to Russian sources and who acknowledges “fake news” in the USA you’re being surprisingly close-minded about that specific word.

I don’t see an embassy in Jerusalem as being good for peace, neither are settlements on West Bank, neither was Netanyahu dropping white phosphorus bombs on Palestinians (a war crime) in Gaza.

It may surprise you however there are Jews who would agree with everything I just wrote.

* The announcement about an Embassy in Jerusalem a smart survival tactic by Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 06, 2017, 06:25:16 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 06, 2017, 02:23:35 PM

Wiz, I think you would have had splendid conversations with my father, he too despised jews. I'm sure it's from his Greek ancestry. I myself had my fill of this growing up and formed my own opinions.
I did read your article link, and it's not changing my view point. But I do thank you that it was more current than the other articles.

As for you long history of posting here since 2007 , I've been on this site since 2009 not that it should matter.
I did take the time to read some of your very first posts from 2007 and you wasted no time in calling other members Trolls, have to wonder how often when someone does not agree with you that you feel the need to
call them trolls?

Well now you know I'm not Jewish, and been here more than a couple years.
We can just forget about my Greek ancestry being I refuse to condemn Jewish people.

Bit more current news today Trump made an announcement about Jerusalem. :)

Do you know the definition and what exactly is the accusation of been "Antisemitic"?

Also the definition of "Zionism" and Anti-Zionism" is?

Sometimes we have to be reminded of the history and then can connect it to current situations...... and that was the reason why I posted those videos. Now if you missed my point it's not my fault!

As about your Greek ancestry, I don't have any evidence to convince me.

As about the latest pronouncement by your President regarding Jerusalem, I wonder why he Suspended it for 6 months immediately ?

I am waiting to see how many other countries will recognise it, apart from those you will twist their arm, as you do in the UN!

I noticed you made no comments regarding the article I asked you to read.... about Zionism.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 06, 2017, 07:26:50 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 06, 2017, 06:18:26 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 06, 2017, 04:54:24 PM
Quote from: Confederate on December 06, 2017, 04:00:48 PM
Quote from: Confederate on December 04, 2017, 03:13:12 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: Wiz on December 03, 2017, 10:48:01 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 03, 2017, 05:17:29 PM
Wiz, do you have anything that might be a bit more current?

Tom Cat

I am bored to tears reading, on a daily basis, the "Dallas" or "Santa Barbara" saga & antics of your "Mafia" supported President who is also subordinate to Neta Yahoo of Israhell and I thought that you should be reminded of certain facts. :Zzzzsleep:

Obviously you don't like to hear the fact that USA is not the only Hegemon of the world and now the world has become multi-polar.

I also noticed that you very rarely make any comments apart from droping links to various articles, so what is the difference with my post?

Ah sorry I added a photo.! :P

:popcorn:

Wiz, the article was from April 2016 The video from sept of the same year. I'm just not sure what it has to do with president Trump? At the time Hillary was assumed to be the next commander and chief

I keep an open mind and read articles even if I might not agree with what is written. So when you post something I do read it.

Anyway, I don't really care for your antisemitism, but bigotry and hate seems to effect some more than others

Anti-Semitism?

Half a million ME Christians and half a million Iraqi’s slaughter’d by Bush Jr’s war machine— ALL of them Semitic persons.

Don’t be fooled by Mossad word tricks to shut down discussion and investigation of what is really going on over there.

I noticed you didn’t answer my post Tom Cat. The term “anti-Semitic” is misused by Jews and they do it deliberately in order to shutdown any discussion or investigation into activities they pretend don’t exist; for example extensive genocide committed by Atheistic Communist Jews during Lenin and Stalin’s reign of terror against Russian Orthodox Christians.

There are millions of secular Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Yazidi’s, etc. in the Middle East who are Semitic but not Jewish and who might like to have their voices heard.

Confederate, take a moment and read the definition of anti Semitic.
As for why I didn't reply before, read my last reply to Wiz, I had a lifetime of anti Jewish rhetoric, and really don't care to converse about it.
I try to judge people individually, I've dated Jewish women, my late wife was orginally Muslim converted to Russian orthodox. I've dated women of other faiths as well.
My personal view is if we could get rid of every religion the world would be much better off. :biggrin:

I’ve already read your replies to Wiz. I also know the (alleged) “official” definition of anti-Semitism yet unlike you I know it’s a word-trick and a con.

For a guy who is open-minded to Russian sources and who acknowledges “fake news” in the USA you’re being surprisingly close-minded about that specific word.

I don’t see an embassy in Jerusalem as being good for peace, neither are settlements on West Bank, neither was Netanyahu dropping white phosphorus bombs on Palestinians (a war crime) in Gaza.

It may surprise you however there are Jews who would agree with everything I just wrote.

* The announcement about an Embassy in Jerusalem a smart survival tactic by Trump.

Confederate, I don't condone or condemn the actions of Israel.
Frankly I don't have much interest in the middle east.
I did follow Russia's military involvement in Syria, which was very successful.
In reality government and religious extremists in the middle east countries seem to thrive on war and killing. They all share the guilt.
Many have been killing each other for centuries and most likely will continue for many more.
Why do you think it's so difficult to negotiate peace in that part of the world?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 06, 2017, 07:55:37 PM

Confederate, how was the formation United states different than that of Israel? How many native Americans were slaughtered? How were those left alive treated?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 06, 2017, 07:59:47 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 06, 2017, 07:26:50 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 06, 2017, 06:18:26 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 06, 2017, 04:54:24 PM
Quote from: Confederate on December 06, 2017, 04:00:48 PM
Quote from: Confederate on December 04, 2017, 03:13:12 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 04, 2017, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: Wiz on December 03, 2017, 10:48:01 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 03, 2017, 05:17:29 PM
Wiz, do you have anything that might be a bit more current?

Tom Cat

I am bored to tears reading, on a daily basis, the "Dallas" or "Santa Barbara" saga & antics of your "Mafia" supported President who is also subordinate to Neta Yahoo of Israhell and I thought that you should be reminded of certain facts. :Zzzzsleep:

Obviously you don't like to hear the fact that USA is not the only Hegemon of the world and now the world has become multi-polar.

I also noticed that you very rarely make any comments apart from droping links to various articles, so what is the difference with my post?

Ah sorry I added a photo.! :P

:popcorn:

Wiz, the article was from April 2016 The video from sept of the same year. I'm just not sure what it has to do with president Trump? At the time Hillary was assumed to be the next commander and chief

I keep an open mind and read articles even if I might not agree with what is written. So when you post something I do read it.

Anyway, I don't really care for your antisemitism, but bigotry and hate seems to effect some more than others

Anti-Semitism?

Half a million ME Christians and half a million Iraqi’s slaughter’d by Bush Jr’s war machine— ALL of them Semitic persons.

Don’t be fooled by Mossad word tricks to shut down discussion and investigation of what is really going on over there.

I noticed you didn’t answer my post Tom Cat. The term “anti-Semitic” is misused by Jews and they do it deliberately in order to shutdown any discussion or investigation into activities they pretend don’t exist; for example extensive genocide committed by Atheistic Communist Jews during Lenin and Stalin’s reign of terror against Russian Orthodox Christians.

There are millions of secular Arabs, Muslims, Christians, Yazidi’s, etc. in the Middle East who are Semitic but not Jewish and who might like to have their voices heard.

Confederate, take a moment and read the definition of anti Semitic.
As for why I didn't reply before, read my last reply to Wiz, I had a lifetime of anti Jewish rhetoric, and really don't care to converse about it.
I try to judge people individually, I've dated Jewish women, my late wife was orginally Muslim converted to Russian orthodox. I've dated women of other faiths as well.
My personal view is if we could get rid of every religion the world would be much better off. :biggrin:

I’ve already read your replies to Wiz. I also know the (alleged) “official” definition of anti-Semitism yet unlike you I know it’s a word-trick and a con.

For a guy who is open-minded to Russian sources and who acknowledges “fake news” in the USA you’re being surprisingly close-minded about that specific word.

I don’t see an embassy in Jerusalem as being good for peace, neither are settlements on West Bank, neither was Netanyahu dropping white phosphorus bombs on Palestinians (a war crime) in Gaza.

It may surprise you however there are Jews who would agree with everything I just wrote.

* The announcement about an Embassy in Jerusalem a smart survival tactic by Trump.

Confederate, I don't condone or condemn the actions of Israel.
Frankly I don't have much interest in the middle east.
I did follow Russia's military involvement in Syria, which was very successful.
In reality government and religious extremists in the middle east countries seem to thrive on war and killing. They all share the guilt.
Many have been killing each other for centuries and most likely will continue for many more.
Why do you think it's so difficult to negotiate peace in that part of the world?

Agree many parties are to blame. AIPAC, Golan Heights, Hezzbolah, etc.

Currently Netanyahu is horrible for long term peace prospects.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 06, 2017, 09:03:15 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 06, 2017, 07:55:37 PM

Confederate, how was the formation United states different than that of Israel? How many native Americans were slaughtered? How were those left alive treated?

You will have to be patient; he has to do some reading on Wiki before he can answer like an expert.

On the other hand, I can field those questions without any review.

1) The formation of the United States was more brutal than Israel's because Palestinians were more often exiled than slaughtered.

2) It's difficult to say how many Native Americans were killed because estimates of the pre-genocide number vary widely. It is thought that more than 90% died at our hands, directly or indirectly, between the Pequot War and 1900, but the actual figure will never be known. The matter is complicated by many of them dying from pathogens that were inadvertently brought by the Europeans. Of course, many were deliberately infected when germ science became a thing, allowing weaponization of pathogens.

3) The majority of those that survived the warfare were sequestered on barren, unproductive reservations which were relentlessly being encroached upon by settlers. This results in more warfare and brutal reprisals by the Army. In some cases, they were deliberately infected after they were pacified.

I have an interest in this topic because I carry a small amount of Mi'kmaq blood.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 07, 2017, 03:54:05 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 06, 2017, 09:03:15 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 06, 2017, 07:55:37 PM
Confederate, how was the formation United states different than that of Israel? How many native Americans were slaughtered? How were those left alive treated?

You will have to be patient; he has to do some reading on Wiki before he can answer like an expert.

On the other hand, I can field those questions without any review.

1) The formation of the United States was more brutal than Israel's because Palestinians were more often exiled than slaughtered.

2) It's difficult to say how many Native Americans were killed because estimates of the pre-genocide number vary widely. It is thought that more than 90% died at our hands, directly or indirectly, between the Pequot War and 1900, but the actual figure will never be known. The matter is complicated by many of them dying from pathogens that were inadvertently brought by the Europeans. Of course, many were deliberately infected when germ science became a thing, allowing weaponization of pathogens.

3) The majority of those that survived the warfare were sequestered on barren, unproductive reservations which were relentlessly being encroached upon by settlers. This results in more warfare and brutal reprisals by the Army. In some cases, they were deliberately infected after they were pacified.

I have an interest in this topic because I carry a small amount of Mi'kmaq blood.

As an aside, how much Native American slaughter has carried out under British rule?

Wizlink -

Whoah - ho, your red heart rages.
Cut down, burned out and put in cages.
You came in peace, held up your hand. (How!)
We cut it off and we stole your land.

Whoah - ho, Native American.
Soar like an Eagle, sit like a Pelican.
Whoah - ho, don't call us Indians.
We're more like Western-Asians crossed with Siberians.

White mans eyes to blind to see.
A gentle race so wild and free.
They called you savages, called you bad.
But the scalping thing was only when you got real mad.

Whoah - ho, Native American.
Soar like an Eagle, sit like a Pelican.
Whoah - ho, don't call us Indians.
We're more like Western-Asians crossed with Siberians.

Whoah - ho, Native American.
Soar like an Eagle, sit like a Pelican.
Whoah - ho, don't call us Indians.
We're more like Western-Asians crossed with Siberians.

Whoah - ho, Native American.
Soar like an Eagle, sit like a Pelican.
Whoah - ho, don't call us Indians.
We're more like Western-Asians crossed with Siberians.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 07, 2017, 04:32:50 AM

The systematic extermination of the indigenous population of North America was a product of U.S federal policy. Whilst terrible things happened before U.S independence it was,on the whole, not a political policy of the national government but rather the accidental introduction of disease and individual or group based inhumanity. When the U.S government made a choice to open up the interior and west coast of the Untied States the real badness really got going.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 07, 2017, 08:48:09 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 06, 2017, 09:03:15 PM

I have an interest in this topic because I carry a small amount of Mi'kmaq blood.

You and Elizabeth (Pocahontas) Warren.

;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 07, 2017, 08:57:10 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 06, 2017, 07:59:47 PM

Agree many parties are to blame. AIPAC, Golan Heights, Hezzbolah, etc.

Currently Netanyahu is horrible for long term peace prospects.

I don't think that the other side wants peace. They only respect a punch
in the nose, which Netanyahu is happy to give them. So at this time I think
that Netanyahu is perfect for the job.

If the Palestinians wanted peace they could have it, but they don't so they
get all the punches in the nose that they need or desire. There isn't a peace
option for radical Islam.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 07, 2017, 09:18:01 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 07, 2017, 04:32:50 AM

The systematic extermination of the indigenous population of North America was a product of U.S federal policy. Whilst terrible things happened before U.S independence it was,on the whole, not a political policy of the national government but rather the accidental introduction of disease and individual or group based inhumanity. When the U.S government made a choice to open up the interior and west coast of the Untied States the real badness really got going.

Yes, Democrat Andrew Jackson was the most aggressive exterminator of
American Indians. He was worse than the British when the Boers discovered
gold in the Transvaal, 60+ years later.

(https://www.buzzle.com/images/history/boer-wars/boer-concentration-camp.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/3c/1d/d6/3c1dd6abe346fb7ba163200096acb3e6.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 07, 2017, 09:41:32 AM

Quote from: Ste on December 07, 2017, 03:54:05 AM

As an aside, how much Native American slaughter has carried out under British rule?

There were fewer combatants during the colonial period, hence fewer casualties. It was complicated because there were many instances of Native Americans fighting against each other as they opportunistically picked sides, usually allying themselves with their trading partners. During this period, the British weren't alone in presiding over the killing; Dutch, Spanish, Swedish, French and even the Russians did their share of the wet work. My ancestors were said to have fought against the British in the French and Indian War and the American Revolution but they fought on both sides during the War of 1812. (How soon they forget!) Irrespective of whom they allied themselves with, they were screwed afterwards.

The large-scale genocide began during the period of western expansion; it was organized, systematic and the blame falls to the United States government. For further study, interested people should read about the Trail of Tears.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 07, 2017, 10:27:03 AM

The full extent of the genocide will never be known because there was no reliable count of the Native American population until the 1900 census. Even then, self-identification skewed the results. If we accept a very low estimate of the pre-genocide Native American population as ten million and approximately a quarter million remaining in 1900, that's a whole lot of dead Indians. If only one in four were killed deliberately, we killed 90% of them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 07, 2017, 10:29:49 AM

Regarding the British rule of North America the Peqout War took place in the 17th century. The United States did not exist at this point.

Regarding the Russians some enslaved in the form of indentured labour the native populations of what is called Alaska and further south. Other trading entities treated the native populations more fairly. This continued until the transfer to the United States in 1867.

The Dutch seemed to have treated the natives with respect, but the same can not be said of the Spanish or French. As for the Swedes I have no idea, but there colony in North America was compared to the French and English small.

Edit: Post 9030 from TomT. I have read both higher and some lower numbers as to the decimation of the Native American populations. I suspect 90% is on the low side.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 07, 2017, 10:38:26 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 07, 2017, 10:29:49 AM

Regarding the British rule of North America the Peqout War took place in the 17th century. The United States did not exist at this point.

I know; the British (and Uncas) can take credit for that one. That particular conflict is of interest to me because one of my properties is located on former Pequot territory. In fact, the road that passes in front of that property was once called the Boston Turnpike and was built on the path of the Indian Great Trail from Hartford to Boston.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 07, 2017, 10:40:18 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 07, 2017, 10:29:49 AM

I suspect 90% is on the low side.

It probably is but 90% is easier to argue than 99%.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on December 07, 2017, 10:46:23 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 07, 2017, 10:40:18 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 07, 2017, 10:29:49 AM
I suspect 90% is on the low side.

It probably is but 90% is easier to argue than 99%.

Check out some of the South American countries. Some have no Indians.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 07, 2017, 10:48:13 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 07, 2017, 10:29:49 AM

The Dutch seemed to have treated the natives with respect, but the same can not be said of the Spanish or French.

It varied. My French ancestors befriended them and some intermarried with them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 07, 2017, 10:51:07 AM

Quote from: yankee on December 07, 2017, 10:46:23 AM

Check out some of the South American countries. Some have no Indians [remaining].

The devil in the details is self-identification, though. There are probably some who carry Indian blood and prefer to be counted as White.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 07, 2017, 12:16:52 PM

Given that the First Nations were perfectly happy slaughtering each other - and Europeans when the opportunity arose - I don't have much sympathy for them. Their civilizations were technologically inferior. S'way it goes.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 07, 2017, 02:52:44 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 07, 2017, 10:29:49 AM

The Dutch seemed to have treated the natives with respect, but the same can not be said of the Spanish or French. As for the Swedes I have no idea, but there colony in North America was compared to the French and English small.

Sure they did when they were willing to sell Manhattan for $20 in beads,
but the Dutch have a darker history when you look at some of their African
adventures.

The Spanish worked many to death in the Silver mines while the Aztecs that
they replaced would sacrifice vast numbers of natives for fun and religious
rituals. I don't think many tears were shed when the Aztec, Comanche and
Apache's were exterminated.

There weren't any Angels back then, and primitive people have never done
well when they find themselves next to advanced societies. The primitive
tribes had a choice, either assimilate or be exterminated, most chose the
later.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 07, 2017, 03:05:11 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 07, 2017, 12:16:52 PM

Given that the First Nations were perfectly happy slaughtering each other - and Europeans when the opportunity arose - I don't have much sympathy for them. Their civilizations were technologically inferior. S'way it goes.

B/B

The Natives who roamed the land in the US 48 States were very primitive.
They never developed the written word, they never domesticated draft
animals or even developed the wheel. This is stone age stuff and they
never advanced past that.

The Aztec were very advanced and they had a written language and advanced
mathematics, and had build machines, aqueducts and exterminated their primitive
neighbors all the time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 07, 2017, 03:18:12 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 07, 2017, 03:05:11 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 07, 2017, 12:16:52 PM
Given that the First Nations were perfectly happy slaughtering each other - and Europeans when the opportunity arose - I don't have much sympathy for them. Their civilizations were technologically inferior. S'way it goes.

B/B

The Natives who roamed the land in the US 48 States were very primitive.
They never developed the written word, they never domesticated draft
animals or even developed the wheel. This is stone age stuff and they
never advanced past that.

The Aztec were very advanced and they had a written language and advanced
mathematics, and had build machines, aqueducts and exterminated their primitive
neighbors all the time.

I suspect they did it with pleasure as well. One of my top 10 favorite movies is Apocalypto directed by Mel Gibson.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472043/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 07, 2017, 03:30:06 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 07, 2017, 03:18:12 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 07, 2017, 03:05:11 PM
Quote from: B.B. on December 07, 2017, 12:16:52 PM
Given that the First Nations were perfectly happy slaughtering each other - and Europeans when the opportunity arose - I don't have much sympathy for them. Their civilizations were technologically inferior. S'way it goes.

B/B

The Natives who roamed the land in the US 48 States were very primitive.
They never developed the written word, they never domesticated draft
animals or even developed the wheel. This is stone age stuff and they
never advanced past that.

The Aztec were very advanced and they had a written language and advanced
mathematics, and had build machines, aqueducts and exterminated their primitive
neighbors all the time.

I suspect they did it with pleasure as well. One of my top 10 favorite movies is Apocalypto directed by Mel Gibson.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472043/

Not much of a Mel Gibson fan, though I loved him in one of his early Aussie movies - Tim, where he plays a mentally challenged adult who ends up bonking Piper Laurie, good movie, very touching, nothing like his action hero stuff.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_(film)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 07, 2017, 04:42:50 PM

Today Al Franken became the dems sacrificial lamb. With their new found political correctness they can now focus a full assault on Roy Moore and president Trump.
Franken's Senate seat will be filled with another Dem so it won't be any loss.
Russia gate is not producing so time to shift gears and try again at an already failed effort.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 07, 2017, 06:17:31 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2017, 04:42:50 PM

Today Al Franken became the dems sacrificial lamb.

Except he actually hasn't resigned yet, has he?
He might be waiting for things to blow over.
He might find a couple of feminists to gather around
him and let them change his mind.

It would be better if Mitch called a vote immediately after
his little speech to evict him from the Senate. Let's see how
many dems wouldn't vote him out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 07, 2017, 06:29:58 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 07, 2017, 06:17:31 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2017, 04:42:50 PM
Today Al Franken became the dems sacrificial lamb.

Except he actually hasn't resigned yet, has he?
He might be waiting for things to blow over.
He might find a couple of feminists to gather around
him and let them change his mind.

It would be better if Mitch called a vote immediately after
his little speech to evict him from the Senate. Let's see how
many dems wouldn't vote him out.

He definitely will be gone, our governor is said to name his democratic replacement within the next two days.
Franken's electability in Minnesota would be questionable at best, so they need to replace him now to better the odds of his successor come election time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 07, 2017, 06:57:46 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2017, 06:29:58 PM

He definitely will be gone, our governor is said to name his democratic replacement within the next two days.
Franken's electability in Minnesota would be questionable at best, so they need to replace him now to better the odds of his successor come election time.

You are looking at it from a normal person's point of view. Imagine
you were looking at it from a total narcissist point of view. Frankin
has been around Hollyweird and now the US Senate. He has people
whispering in his ear and some of those people lose their jobs when
he resigns. 2020 is when his next election is and that's a long time
away in a Senators mind.

What happens if he waits until May? to be on hand for critical votes
and such things?

What happens next http://www.twincities.com/2017/12/06/what-happens-if-al-franken-resigns-minnesota-senate-governor-mark-dayton/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 07, 2017, 09:18:40 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2017, 04:42:50 PM

Today Al Franken became the dems sacrificial lamb. With their new found political correctness they can now focus a full assault on Roy Moore and president Trump.

Speaking of Roy Moore, he has an interesting take on the last time that America was great:

"I think it was great at the time when families were united—even though we had slavery—they cared for one another…Our families were strong, our country had a direction."

He probably thought that it was great when the age of consent was 10, also.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 07, 2017, 10:52:14 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 07, 2017, 09:18:40 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2017, 04:42:50 PM
Today Al Franken became the dems sacrificial lamb. With their new found political correctness they can now focus a full assault on Roy Moore and president Trump.

Speaking of Roy Moore, he has an interesting take on the last time that America was great:

"I think it was great at the time when families were united—even though we had slavery—they cared for one another…Our families were strong, our country had a direction."

He probably thought that it was great when the age of consent was 10, also.

It probably was, or very close to it, in the Mi’kmaq tribe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 08, 2017, 09:27:21 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 07, 2017, 09:18:40 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2017, 04:42:50 PM
Today Al Franken became the dems sacrificial lamb. With their new found political correctness they can now focus a full assault on Roy Moore and president Trump.

Speaking of Roy Moore, he has an interesting take on the last time that America was great:

"I think it was great at the time when families were united—even though we had slavery—they cared for one another…Our families were strong, our country had a direction."

He probably thought that it was great when the age of consent was 10, also.

Southern folk seem to be more tolerant of teenagers dating, and getting married to much older men.
there are some here on this site that married much younger than ourselves, only difference we were a bit older than Moore at the time so our wives and or chosen partner was a couple years older as well.
It must be common practice in the south because Moore seems to have a lot of support from both men and women.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 08, 2017, 10:18:52 AM

The Democrats really are desperate.

Roy Moore accuser admits she forged part of yearbook inscription attributed to Alabama Senate candidate

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/08/roy-moore-accuser-admits-forged-part-yearbook-inscription-attributed-to-alabama-senate-candidate.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 08, 2017, 10:37:21 AM

No wonder president Trump continues to criticize the FBI.

Did A Corrupt FBI Give Hillary Clinton A Free Pass? Sure Looks Like It

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/fbi-hillary-clinton-email-trump-russia/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 08, 2017, 10:40:12 AM

There is no evidence that any part of Moore's inscription was "forged"; a contemporaneous note indicating the date and place that the inscription was made was added below his signature. Great weight is attached to such contemporaneous notes in legal proceedings. It boggles my mind that some folks are unaware of that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 08, 2017, 10:51:26 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 08, 2017, 09:27:21 AM

there are some here on this site that married much younger than ourselves, only difference we were a bit older than Moore at the time so our wives and or chosen partner was a couple years older as well.

What is your definition of "a couple years?"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 08, 2017, 11:38:18 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 08, 2017, 10:51:26 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 08, 2017, 09:27:21 AM
there are some here on this site that married much younger than ourselves, only difference we were a bit older than Moore at the time so our wives and or chosen partner was a couple years older as well.

What is your definition of "a couple years?"

If I remember correctly Moore was in his mid thirties at the time, so it was at best poor judgment on his part.

We've seen men here in their late forties and fifties perusing girls barley twenty.
Sixty year olds married to women around thirty.

Had these girls been a couple years older meaning closer to twenty the media would have still condemned Moore.
Here on this site he would be just another delusional man looking for a trophy wife. That is if his intended prey was closer to twenty.
You can argue that a couple years is two maybe three, but being I'm nearing sixty a couple years time tends to be a bit longer.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 08, 2017, 12:41:13 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2017, 04:42:50 PM

Today Al Franken became the dems sacrificial lamb. With their new found political correctness they can now focus a full assault on Roy Moore and president Trump.

That is EXACTLY right. Franken is "falling on his own sword" and atoning for the sins of President Clinton, President Kennedy, Congressman Conyers and the $17 million congressional hush fund for legislators. It's a very clever strategy and sets a real potential trap for the Republican Party.

The Democrats are setting up this entire sexual harassment/impropriety issue as the theme of the 2018 election. It allows them to have the high moral ground and the image of "cleaning their own house" and the moral justification to attack Republicans for not doing the same. In the eyes of many voters they can legitimately ask why Republicans aren't doing the same with their pedophile Senator from Alabama and their "grab 'em by the pussy" President in the White House.

We know that if Moore wins the election he will not resign and we know that Trump will never resign.

IMHO the BEST defense is to offer up our own human sacrifice. When Moore wins the runoff (as predicted he will) just refuse to seat him on ethical grounds. The whole thing will go back to the Republican governor of Alabama who will probably tell Luther Strange to say in office until he can call another special election next November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 08, 2017, 01:15:50 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 08, 2017, 12:41:13 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2017, 04:42:50 PM
Today Al Franken became the dems sacrificial lamb. With their new found political correctness they can now focus a full assault on Roy Moore and president Trump.

That is EXACTLY right. Franken is "falling on his own sword" and atoning for the sins of President Clinton, President Kennedy, Congressman Conyers and the $17 million congressional hush fund for legislators. It's a very clever strategy and sets a real potential trap for the Republican Party.

The Democrats are setting up this entire sexual harassment/impropriety issue as the theme of the 2018 election. It allows them to have the high moral ground and the image of "cleaning their own house" and the moral justification to attack Republicans for not doing the same. In the eyes of many voters they can legitimately ask why Republicans aren't doing the same with their pedophile Senator from Alabama and their "grab 'em by the pussy" President in the White House.

We know that if Moore wins the election he will not resign and we know that Trump will never resign.

IMHO the BEST defense is to offer up our own human sacrifice. When Moore wins the runoff (as predicted he will) just refuse to seat him on ethical grounds. The whole thing will go back to the Republican governor of Alabama who will probably tell Luther Strange to say in office until he can call another special election next November.

Arizona's Trent Franks and one other congressman are the republicans counter for Conyers.
I think you might be correct that Moore will be elected but not seated.
This will allow for a republican to hold the seat at least another year, and give plenty of time to find a better republican candidate.that should keep the republicans on par with the dems.
The 2018 election here in Minnesota is going to be very active. With Frankens resignation both Senate seats will be up for grabs, as well as the governor. Providing the republicans can field some solid candidates it's possible the republicans can gain a Senate seat.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 08, 2017, 01:41:58 PM

Obama Invokes Hitler, Sparks Outcry From Trump Supporters

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/830689?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1768123_12082017&s=al&dkt_nbr=01050206y9n6&keywords=obama-invoke-hitler-trump&year=2017&month=12&date=08&id=830689&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Wire&oref=news.newsmax.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 08, 2017, 03:24:48 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 08, 2017, 11:38:18 AM

If I remember correctly Moore was in his mid thirties at the time, so it was at best poor judgment on his part.

We've seen men here in their late forties and fifties perusing girls barley twenty.
Sixty year olds married to women around thirty.

Had these girls been a couple years older meaning closer to twenty the media would have still condemned Moore.
Here on this site he would be just another delusional man looking for a trophy wife. That is if his intended prey was closer to twenty.
You can argue that a couple years is two maybe three, but being I'm nearing sixty a couple years time tends to be a bit longer.

I guess I'll have to spell it out.

You were discussing Roy Moore and his accusers, one of whom was fourteen at the time. There is a big difference between someone who is fourteen and someone who is sixteen: one can legally consent to sexual activity and the other can not. An adult engaging in sexual activity with a sixteen-year-old displays poor judgment; doing the same with a fourteen-year-old is criminal.

A thirty-something woman is another matter entirely. She is both legally and, barring some sort of developmental issues, mentally able to give consent. Why you would even bring this up is beyond me. If you are trying to make the case that, if it's OK for a 60-year-old to marry a 30-year-old, then it's OK for 30-something Moore to have sexual contact with underaged girls, I am just stupefied.

Bringing up marriage at all is ridiculous because there is a world of difference between a guy who is willing to commit and one who just wants to service an underaged girl. In addition to the legal issues, there is the matter of character. As you should know, character is something that people who are in positions of power and authority should have. I get it, though: you are so enthralled by the MAGA bullshit that you don't care if Moore had unlawful sexual contact or, for that matter, if Trump raped "Katie Johnson" when she was thirteen. You are not critical of Moore because you don't want to be critical of Trump who is much worse.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 08, 2017, 03:35:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 07, 2017, 10:52:14 PM

It probably was, or very close to it, in the Mi’kmaq tribe.

Upthread, I posted that you are smarter than Donald Trump. Stop contradicting me!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 08, 2017, 04:21:33 PM

The revised headline no longer bears the word, "forged."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/08/roy-moore-accuser-admits-forged-part-yearbook-inscription-attributed-to-alabama-senate-candidate.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 08, 2017, 04:45:33 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 08, 2017, 04:21:33 PM

The revised headline no longer bears the word, "forged."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/08/roy-moore-accuser-admits-forged-part-yearbook-inscription-attributed-to-alabama-senate-candidate.html

Another Hillary moment? Change a word or two and all is good :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 08, 2017, 08:03:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 08, 2017, 12:41:13 PM

IMHO the BEST defense is to offer up our own human sacrifice. When Moore wins the runoff (as predicted he will) just refuse to seat him on ethical grounds. The whole thing will go back to the Republican governor of Alabama who will probably tell Luther Strange to say in office until he can call another special election next November.

Mitch would love that, but saying F#ck You to Alabama voters would be
a huge mistake. The GOP should do the same thing as they offered Franken,
an ethics investigation. Luther Strange was rejected and he was appointed
because of he was investigating the previous governor and it smelled bad
to Alabama voters.

The Alabama voters selected a new governor and a new senator. Luther
Strange needs to be gone. If the ethics investigation gives him a fair hearing
and proves that Moore is guilty of something then give him the boot and let
the new Governor select a replacement. That gives the voters a win because
their guy gets to name the replacement.

There is no reason to totally alienate the voters of Alabama, just to make
McConnell feel better about himself.

Also note that pissing off voters usually doesn't get the result you want.
Democrat Woodrow Wilson one of the worst presidents of all time, got a
law making it illegal to oppose WWI (and he was a huge racist too).

In 1919, Berger was convicted of violating the Espionage Act for
publicizing his anti-militarist views and as a result was denied the
seat to which he had been twice elected in the House of Representatives.

The verdict was eventually overturned by the Supreme Court, and Berger
was elected to three successive terms in the 1920s.

Another case (see Powell v. McCormack) the Supreme court seated a guy
that was rejected by the House.

This will all drag out in the courts, and the Senate will lose unless they
give him a trial or hearing of the facts then expel him.

Lastly,

100% of all Republican politicians will be accused of something at the 11th
hour in all future elections if the GOP did what you suggest. By letting the
Alabama voters decide and by having an investigation, you limit this new
tactic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 08, 2017, 11:07:56 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 08, 2017, 04:45:33 PM

Another Hillary moment? Change a word or two and all is good :chuckle:

"Truly, your intellect is dizzying," said no one of consequence.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 09, 2017, 03:50:39 PM

Billionaire Leon Cooperman: If Hillary Clinton had won the presidency, the US would be in a recession

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/07/leon-cooperman-if-hillary-clinton-won-the-us-would-be-in-a-recession.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 09, 2017, 05:24:16 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 09, 2017, 03:50:39 PM

Billionaire Leon Cooperman: If Hillary Clinton had won the presidency, the US would be in a recession

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/07/leon-cooperman-if-hillary-clinton-won-the-us-would-be-in-a-recession.html

We also would have invaded a couple of more places.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 10, 2017, 09:41:41 AM

If anyone here watched the reports about this email, then you seen the glee and excitement of those reporting. The media hit hard over a few hours time, but when it turned out to be more fake news the media lost their voices.

CNN Russiagate Debacle Causes Most Media Embarrassment Since Election Day 2016

http://russia-insider.com/en/cnn-russiagate-debacle-causes-most-media-embarrassment-election-day-2016/ri21878

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 10, 2017, 05:16:56 PM

Every move by the dems have become very predictable.

Sanders renews call for Trump to step down after Franken resignation

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/364202-sanders-renews-call-for-trump-to-step-down-after-franken-resignation

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 10, 2017, 05:35:58 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 09, 2017, 05:24:16 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 09, 2017, 03:50:39 PM

Billionaire Leon Cooperman: If Hillary Clinton had won the presidency, the US would be in a recession

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/07/leon-cooperman-if-hillary-clinton-won-the-us-would-be-in-a-recession.html

We also would have invaded a couple of more places.

B/B

Agreed. The false narrative about Russia is mostly because the MIC and their puppets in the media are upset they didn’t get to cause more death and destruction.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 10, 2017, 05:44:29 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/roy-moore-quotes-reveal-extreme-110002627.html

"Tom Cat: viewing TomT's profile."
Have you found anything interesting there, Tom?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 10, 2017, 06:36:10 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 10, 2017, 05:44:29 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/roy-moore-quotes-reveal-extreme-110002627.html

"Tom Cat: viewing TomT's profile."
Have you found anything interesting there, Tom?

By now one would think that the majority of voters have been enlightened to Roy Moore's colorful past. Should Roy Moore be victorious, then we can assume bible loving Christians can forgive thy neighbor.

It's sometimes quicker to read past posts by going through profile posts than scrolling through pages of a thread

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 11, 2017, 10:32:20 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 08, 2017, 10:40:12 AM

There is no evidence that any part of Moore's inscription was "forged"; a contemporaneous note indicating the date and place that the inscription was made was added below his signature. Great weight is attached to such contemporaneous notes in legal proceedings. It boggles my mind that some folks are unaware of that.

Roy Moore isn’t facing a legal proceeding, this is an election. If you had any loyalty to the Republican Party you would be more concerned with the timing of the allegations — 40 years later and with clear hopes to throw an election. Journalists are supposed to be neutral but in fact they published a story right before an election they wouldn’t publish about the Clintons.

Were you actually concerned about women’s issues you would not have voted for Hillary, a woman who abused her power to bully and silence her husbands many accusers. In fact many of the Clintons enemies conveniently have ended up dead.

What was that theory of yours you mentioned in reference to Dershowitz and Trump?

You likely haven’t voted Republican since you started buying Volvo’s. The early 70’s?

Your objections are just hallow posturing. The voters of Alabama will likely elect Moore as an objection to late election meddling by political hacks.

One thing is for sure: none of Moore’s accusers drowned or were murdered.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/12/no_one_ever_drowned_in_roy_moores_car.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 11, 2017, 10:49:02 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 11, 2017, 10:32:20 AM

Roy Moore isn’t facing a legal proceeding, this is an election. If you had any loyalty to the Republican Party you would be more concerned with the timing of the allegations — 40 years later and with clear hopes to throw an election. Journalists are supposed to be neutral but in fact they published a story right before an election they wouldn’t publish about the Clintons.

Were you actually concerned about women’s issues you would not have voted for Hillary, a woman who abused her power to bully and silence her husbands many accusers. In fact many of the Clintons enemies conveniently have ended up dead.

What was that theory of yours you mentioned in reference to Dershowitz and Trump?

You likely haven’t voted Republican since you started buying Volvo’s. The early 70’s?

Your objections are just hallow posturing. The voters of Alabama will likely elect Moore as an objection to late election meddling by political hacks.

One thing is for sure: none of Moore’s accusers drowned or were murdered.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/12/no_one_ever_drowned_in_roy_moores_car.html

You should ask B.B. to give you more coaching; the above rant was a mess. I'll dissect it when I get around to it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 11, 2017, 11:20:27 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 05, 2017, 02:35:49 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 05, 2017, 11:51:24 AM
Alan Dershowitz agrees with Trump’s lawyer and IIRC Dershowitz is a Constitutional scholar.

Dershowitz was also part of the team that helped O.J. Simpson get away with a double murder. These are fine credentials; we should treat everything that he says as gospel. I have a theory: assholes ally themselves with other assholes because decent people want no part of them.

Tom’s Freudian slip as to why he voted for Hillary. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 11, 2017, 11:34:24 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 11, 2017, 10:49:02 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 11, 2017, 10:32:20 AM
Roy Moore isn’t facing a legal proceeding, this is an election. If you had any loyalty to the Republican Party you would be more concerned with the timing of the allegations — 40 years later and with clear hopes to throw an election. Journalists are supposed to be neutral but in fact they published a story right before an election they wouldn’t publish about the Clintons.

Were you actually concerned about women’s issues you would not have voted for Hillary, a woman who abused her power to bully and silence her husbands many accusers. In fact many of the Clintons enemies conveniently have ended up dead.

What was that theory of yours you mentioned in reference to Dershowitz and Trump?

You likely haven’t voted Republican since you started buying Volvo’s. The early 70’s?

Your objections are just hallow posturing. The voters of Alabama will likely elect Moore as an objection to late election meddling by political hacks.

One thing is for sure: none of Moore’s accusers drowned or were murdered.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/12/no_one_ever_drowned_in_roy_moores_car.html

You should ask B.B. to give you more coaching; the above rant was a mess. I'll dissect it when I get around to it.

First of all I don’t aspire to write like you nor does your opinion matter much.

Secondly I don’t get any coaching from B/B (which I already addressed) however I will mention something he mentioned.

If Trump had lost we know he would have moved on long ago. Do you also scream in your pillow, even now Tom?
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 11, 2017, 12:23:43 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 11, 2017, 10:49:02 AM

You should ask B.B. to give you more coaching....

I don't "coach" anyone, however certainly many folks might benefit from reading my posts. :coffeeread:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 11, 2017, 02:50:21 PM

Putin visited Syria to see the troops today and he told them; "Job well done now you can go home for Christmas!"

https://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?lr=213&cl4url=https%3A%2F%2Fiz.ru%2F681858%2F2017-12-11%2Frossiiskie-politiki-prokommentirovali-vyvod-voisk-iz-sirii&lang=ru&stid=xmHLOTi7WTO1Qf37f15A&rubric=politics&from=story

Meanwhile the American's still chasing ISIS..... :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 11, 2017, 07:39:26 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 11, 2017, 11:34:24 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 11, 2017, 10:49:02 AM
Quote from: Confederate on December 11, 2017, 10:32:20 AM
Roy Moore isn’t facing a legal proceeding, this is an election. If you had any loyalty to the Republican Party you would be more concerned with the timing of the allegations — 40 years later and with clear hopes to throw an election. Journalists are supposed to be neutral but in fact they published a story right before an election they wouldn’t publish about the Clintons.

Were you actually concerned about women’s issues you would not have voted for Hillary, a woman who abused her power to bully and silence her husbands many accusers. In fact many of the Clintons enemies conveniently have ended up dead.

What was that theory of yours you mentioned in reference to Dershowitz and Trump?

You likely haven’t voted Republican since you started buying Volvo’s. The early 70’s?

Your objections are just hallow posturing. The voters of Alabama will likely elect Moore as an objection to late election meddling by political hacks.

One thing is for sure: none of Moore’s accusers drowned or were murdered.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/12/no_one_ever_drowned_in_roy_moores_car.html

You should ask B.B. to give you more coaching; the above rant was a mess. I'll dissect it when I get around to it.

First of all I don’t aspire to write like you nor does your opinion matter much.

Secondly I don’t get any coaching from B/B (which I already addressed) however I will mention something he mentioned.

If Trump had lost we know he would have moved on long ago. Do you also scream in your pillow, even now Tom?
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Edit to add: Your opinion is valuable to others and on occasion interesting. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 11, 2017, 09:28:07 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 11, 2017, 11:34:24 AM

First of all I don’t aspire to write like you nor does your opinion matter much.

Fine, I don't have to waste my time dissecting reply #9070 then.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 11, 2017, 09:40:10 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 11, 2017, 09:28:07 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 11, 2017, 11:34:24 AM
First of all I don’t aspire to write like you nor does your opinion matter much.

Fine, I don't have to waste my time dissecting reply #9070 then.

Suit yourself. Get it off your chest or not. Matters not to me.

I don’t always feel compelled to dissect your responses either.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 11, 2017, 10:34:10 PM

Are we starting another Civil war?

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/zBr3QeVPv2M/maxresdefault.jpg)

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 12, 2017, 09:36:24 AM

Trump's tweet counter-punching Sen Gillibrand was a HUGE mistake.

I think this "grab 'em" by the pussy" thing needs to be handled differently by the White House.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 12, 2017, 10:09:20 AM

Quote from: shakespear on December 12, 2017, 09:36:24 AM

Trump's tweet counter-punching Sen Gillibrand was a HUGE mistake.

I think this "grab 'em" by the pussy" thing needs to be handled differently by the White House.

This whole get Franken exercise was always about getting Trump.

Your instincts on this are 180 degrees off. He needs to counterpunch
this attempt every single time they bring it up and point out their
hypocrisy when they were defending the Clintons for worse.

Trumps tweet.
“Lightweight Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a total flunky for Charles E. Schumer
and someone who would come to my office 'begging' for campaign contributions
not so long ago (and would do anything for them), is now in the ring fighting against Trump,” the president wrote. “Very disloyal to Bill & Crooked-USED!”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2017, 11:07:00 AM

The country has become a full time Jerry Springer show. Somethings got to give. Bill is correct about Franken though. An obvious set up. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 12, 2017, 12:49:36 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 12, 2017, 11:07:00 AM

The country has become a full time Jerry Springer show. Somethings got to give. Bill is correct about Franken though. An obvious set up. :coffeeread:

I agree. Trump and other Republicans need to be VERY careful how they respond on this issue.

Trump's tweet was yet ANOTHER unforced error. He basically "threw an obvious softball" to Senator Gillibrand and her response was to knock it right out of the park.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 12, 2017, 01:56:25 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 12, 2017, 12:49:36 PM

I agree. Trump and other Republicans need to be VERY careful how they respond on this issue.

Trump's tweet was yet ANOTHER unforced error. He basically "threw an obvious softball" to Senator Gillibrand and her response was to knock it right out of the park.

She did no such thing. She pretended to be a victim and acted as if
she had no business playing with the big boys. She was pathetic,
and you obviously don't know what a home run looks like. In your
mind it's when the anchors at CNN and PMS-NBC cheer?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2017, 06:43:00 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 12, 2017, 01:56:25 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 12, 2017, 12:49:36 PM

I agree. Trump and other Republicans need to be VERY careful how they respond on this issue.

Trump's tweet was yet ANOTHER unforced error. He basically "threw an obvious softball" to Senator Gillibrand and her response was to knock it right out of the park.

She did no such thing. She pretended to be a victim and acted as if
she had no business playing with the big boys. She was pathetic,
and you obviously don't know what a home run looks like. In your
mind it's when the anchors at CNN and PMS-NBC cheer?

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 12, 2017, 09:22:34 PM

Who would have thought that a Democrat could defeat an accused pedophile in traditional values-loving Alabama? Even the endorsement of the accused sexual predator in the White House wasn't enough to push that good ole' boy over the top. There will be some good listenin' on Fox News tomorrow about how Moore's loss will improve Republican prospects in the midterms.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2017, 11:03:41 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 12, 2017, 09:22:34 PM

Who would have thought that a Democrat could defeat an accused pedophile in traditional values-loving Alabama? Even the endorsement of the accused sexual predator in the White House wasn't enough to push that good ole' boy over the top. There will be some good listenin' on Fox News tomorrow about how Moore's loss will improve Republican prospects in the midterms.

Are you illiterate? Or just bored? The ages of the girls he allegedly dated don’t meet the definition of pedophilia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 12, 2017, 11:34:27 PM

LMAO!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/13/doug-jones-wins-alabama-fox-news-voter-analysis-summary.html

I can envision Republicans up for reelection begging Trump not to endorse them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 13, 2017, 09:20:10 AM

The lesson learned from Moore's defeat should be that it isn't viable to run on a platform of racism, homophobia, misogyny, evangelism and traditional values... especially if the candidate's "traditional values" are troubling. It's not perplexing that Trump won under exactly the same circumstances because he had some help from a friend, whom he later betrayed. He also had some help from an electoral system that was designed to give inbred hillbillies and rednecks more clout. Alas, there is no electoral system in Alabama so an inbred-hillbilly/redneck vote counts the same as a normal person's vote.

Of course, Moore will blame his loss on gays, Blacks, women and Socialists. He will not take personal responsibility because that isn't something that hypocrites and disgusting pieces of shit do. Despite his many failings, he has a sense of style, though; going to the polls on horseback was quite a spectacle and his hillbilly supporters must have been thrilled! Joined at the hip to the hillbillies are the evangelists who claim Godliness but have a warped view of moe-RAIL-ittie (morality in English). They rail against the child brides of Islam, yet see no contradiction in supporting an accused pedophile.

Despite Moore's loss, a two-percent win is far from a landslide and it's troubling that there are so many who aren't much smarter than morons in Alabama. If election 2016 is considered, the composition of the United States as a whole isn't much different though because Trump lost the popular vote by the same two percent. Despite the climate here, I'm happy that I live in an area that resembles a developed country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 13, 2017, 11:46:13 AM

Middle America is one fcuked up place...

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 13, 2017, 12:11:22 PM

Surprise, surprise! Evidence of voter fraud in the Alabama election.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/evidence-voter-fraud-alabama-mobile-county-results-come-late/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 13, 2017, 12:52:24 PM

Meanwhile those wondering how Hillary lost can read this Facebook post.

I still haven't figured out why she lost. Was it the Russians?
Or was it WikiLeaks? Or was it Podesta? Or Comey? Or was
it a sexual predator husband? Or was it a staff's husband Weiner
immoral pictures? Was it subpoena violation? Or was it the
corrupt foundation? Or was it the congressional lies? Or was
it the Benghazi bungle? Or was it pay for play? Or was it
travel gate scandal? Or was it whitewater scandal? Or the
Cattle Gate scandal? Or the Trooper Gate scandal? Or was it
the $15 million for Chelsea's apt. bought with foundation money? Or
Comey's investigation? Or her husband’s interference with Loretta
Lynch and the investigation? Or was it stealing debate
questions? Was it forensically deleting 30,000 emails? Was it
the Seth Rich murder? Was it calling half the USA deplorable?
Was it the underhanded treatment of Bernie Sanders? Was it the Vince
Foster murder? The Jennifer Flowers assault? The Jennifer
Flowers settlement? The Paula Jones law suit? The $800,000
Paula Jones settlement? The lie about taking on sniper fire?
The impeachment? The 6 billion $ she "lost" when in charge of the
state department? The $10 million she took for the pardon of Marc
Rich?

Gee,
I just can’t quite put my finger on it, can you? But it seems
to be right in front of me!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 13, 2017, 03:23:30 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 13, 2017, 11:46:13 AM

Middle America is one fcuked up place...

...extremely...

We asked for "... the wretched refuse of your teeming shore..." and we got it. Now, previous generations of refuse are getting uppity and want to close the borders.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 13, 2017, 07:11:29 PM

While the democrats continue to pollute the swamp, the republicans are working to better the country. This might be the first real legislation president Trump will sign into law this year. I did get a good laugh from Chuck Schumer saying that there should be no votes until the new Alabama senator is seated.

GOP strikes deal on Trump tax cuts

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/364826-gop-strikes-deal-on-trump-tax-cuts

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 13, 2017, 09:02:53 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 13, 2017, 09:20:10 AM

The lesson learned from Moore's defeat should be that it isn't viable to run on a platform of racism, homophobia, misogyny, evangelism and traditional values... especially if the candidate's "traditional values" are troubling. It's not perplexing that Trump won under exactly the same circumstances because he had some help from a friend, whom he later betrayed. He also had some help from an electoral system that was designed to give inbred hillbillies and rednecks more clout. Alas, there is no electoral system in Alabama so an inbred-hillbilly/redneck vote counts the same as a normal person's vote.

Of course, Moore will blame his loss on gays, Blacks, women and Socialists. He will not take personal responsibility because that isn't something that hypocrites and disgusting pieces of shit do.

Careful Tom, you shouldn’t talk about Hillary that way! You might be next on hit list. :laugh:

And as opposed to Hillary blaming her loss on whites, women who chose not to vote for her and those awful bigoted heterosexuals? You know, more than half of the country who she called a “basket of deplorables”. Or was it Russia? :ROFL:

Don’t resort to labels when you cannot argue positions either. Overall your rant is a steaming pile of horse manure.

I won’t bother “dissecting” all of this drivel except for one glaring word: misogyny. You mean like when Hillary called Bill’s accusers “bimbo eruptions”? (at least ones not “suicided” by bullet to back of head).

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/14/hillary-clinton-haunted-by-efforts-to-destroy-bill/

Racism? Like when Hillary referred to blacks as “super predators” and that “we have to bring them to heel”?

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/298693-hillary-clintons-superpredators-still-the-most-damaging-insult-by%3famp

I could go on, but you’re definitely no Republican. It doesn’t matter how hypocritical you present yourself, one thing is for sure: you always take the opposite position of actual Republicans. You’re a liberal puppet and like most puppets you have selective memory and a litany of labels you spiel when wound up. ????

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 13, 2017, 10:34:36 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 13, 2017, 03:23:30 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 13, 2017, 11:46:13 AM
Middle America is one fcuked up place...

...extremely...

We asked for "... the wretched refuse of your teeming shore..." and we got it. Now, previous generations of refuse are getting uppity and want to close the borders.

It would be more accurate to say that previous generations of refuse have always been uppity and want to keep the borders open as a method of buying votes. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 13, 2017, 11:18:33 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 13, 2017, 07:11:29 PM

GOP strikes deal on Trump tax cuts

The House bill had the top tax rate at 39.6 percent and the Senate bill had it at 38.5% so they "compromised": 37 percent.
The joke will undoubtedly fly over many heads.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 13, 2017, 11:31:04 PM

This is pretty funny as well:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/13/report-omarosa-physically-dragged-from-white-house-grounds.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 14, 2017, 08:57:10 AM

F-f-f-fake fotos too...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pictures-videos-emerge-donald-trump-225600609.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 14, 2017, 11:23:40 AM

Trump’s IQ walks into a battery terminal. It was a negative one.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 14, 2017, 12:00:39 PM

Trump can claim 'fairly serious achievements' in first year, Putin says

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/14/politics/russia-putin-press-conference-trump-intl/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 14, 2017, 12:48:21 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 14, 2017, 11:23:40 AM

Trump’s IQ walks into a battery terminal. It was a negative one.

With 4 Billion dollars! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 14, 2017, 01:43:34 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 14, 2017, 08:57:10 AM

F-f-f-fake fotos too...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pictures-videos-emerge-donald-trump-225600609.html

The Democrats and liberal media tried to make the sexual harassment claims an issue during the election, and You know what Donald Trump was still elected. Maybe people really don't give a :censored: about his socially awkward behavior?
The Democrats really need to start focusing on what they were elected to do. If the democrats are so offended by sexual harassment, then why did they not return all the money donated by the predator Harvey Weinstein?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 14, 2017, 06:21:01 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 14, 2017, 01:43:34 PM

Maybe people really don't give a :censored: about his socially awkward behavior?

Sexual predation has been renamed "socially awkward behavior."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on December 14, 2017, 07:51:34 PM

Well, for anyone arguing that Trump is a dictator, your proof manifests itself in this music video from the first season of 'The Apprentice.' Alright, time for an embarrassing confession: I used to dress in suit and tie to watch this program ("Quick dad, help me with my tie, it's coming on!"). :laugh: You know there were actually some cute gals on the first season (I sort of grew out of it afterwords - that celebrity version was trash [we get enough of those people anyway]).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 14, 2017, 08:37:36 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 14, 2017, 06:21:01 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 14, 2017, 01:43:34 PM
Maybe people really don't give a :censored: about his socially awkward behavior?

Sexual predation has been renamed "socially awkward behavior."

Sexual predation would better describe the actions of someone like Bill Clinton or Harvey Weinstein. They seem to be hardcore take what you want guys.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 14, 2017, 09:44:25 PM

If Trump raped a thirteen-year-old in front of you, you still wouldn't believe it. It's a strange twist of fate that Roy Moore is a better man than our president, yet Trump is in the White House and Moore is just another sore loser. Anyway, please don't let me interrupt your whataboutitis. I'm especially looking forward to your clucking about Jack Kennedy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 14, 2017, 09:55:32 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 14, 2017, 06:21:01 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 14, 2017, 01:43:34 PM
Maybe people really don't give a :censored: about his socially awkward behavior?

Sexual predation has been renamed "socially awkward behavior."

"Sexual predation" .... not a new phenomenon....... since when you became a puritan or PC? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 14, 2017, 10:07:29 PM

Quote from: Wiz on December 14, 2017, 09:55:32 PM

"Sexual predation" .... not a new phenomenon....... since when you became a puritan or PC? :laugh:

Aren't all New Englanders Puritans?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 14, 2017, 10:18:03 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 14, 2017, 10:07:29 PM

Quote from: Wiz on December 14, 2017, 09:55:32 PM
"Sexual predation" .... not a new phenomenon....... since when you became a puritan or PC? :laugh:

Aren't all New Englanders Puritans?

Your reply sounds like a Russian woman's......

What about you?

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 14, 2017, 11:06:31 PM

Religion never loomed large in my legend.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 15, 2017, 05:22:57 AM

Trump hasn't raped any 13 year olds. There's no support for the contention that he is a sexual predator. There's fantasy and projection aplenty.

For fun today I read a piece in the Washington Post about Trump and Russia. I felt sad for you poor Americans. You are lied to every day and you swallow it joyfully. A bukkake of untruth through which you smile and ask for more.

The piece I read was completely devoid of fact, making its case upon supposition, lies, and fantasy all stated as facts. Reading such rubbish from time to time helps me to contextualise the rubbish that some people write here, helps me to understand that for many of you there's no real way for you to discern reality from programming.

Here's the thing, this whole farago about sexual predation as the latest manifestation of control of thought amongst ordinary Americans. Sadly the diseased meme is spreading outside of the U.S making the lives of the rest of us, over in the civilised world, harder as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 15, 2017, 08:21:22 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 15, 2017, 05:22:57 AM

Trump hasn't raped any 13 year olds.

Have you been following him around?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 15, 2017, 09:37:13 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 15, 2017, 05:22:57 AM

For fun today I read a piece in the Washington Post about Trump and Russia. I felt sad for you poor Americans. You are lied to every day and you swallow it joyfully. A bukkake of untruth through which you smile and ask for more.

The piece I read was completely devoid of fact, making its case upon supposition, lies, and fantasy all stated as facts. Reading such rubbish from time to time helps me to contextualise the rubbish that some people write here, helps me to understand that for many of you there's no real way for you to discern reality from programming.

Certain people are more prone than others to being susceptible to programming and they respond with histrionics.

There’s been no evidence of actual collusion between Trump and the Russians yet a year later Mueller continues to attempt to manufacture anything he can.

What has come out is that Fusion GPS was financed by the DNC to produce the bogus dossier on Trump. There’s a theory that FBI agent Strzok was involved and his text msgs showed obvious bias against Trump.

Meanwhile the real criminal has not been indicted yet.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2017/12/05/fbi-blocked-information-about-peter-strzok-from-its-website/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 15, 2017, 09:47:36 AM

And: DOJ official demoted for conflict of interest.

investigators for the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) confirmed that Nellie H. Ohr, wife of the demoted official, Bruce G. Ohr, worked for the opposition research firm last year. The precise nature of Mrs. Ohr’s duties – including whether she worked on the dossier – remains unclear but a review of her published works available online reveals Mrs. Ohr has written extensively on Russia-related subjects.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/12/12/the-wife-of-doj-official-demoted-for-meeting-with-trump-dossier-author-worked-for-fusion-gps-the-firm-hillary-hired-n2421339

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 15, 2017, 09:54:16 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 15, 2017, 09:37:13 AM

Certain people are more prone than others to being susceptible to programming and they respond with histrionics.

It is amazing to observe posters offering up scribes that make it clear they simply mock themselves ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 15, 2017, 10:52:29 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 15, 2017, 08:21:22 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 15, 2017, 05:22:57 AM
Trump hasn't raped any 13 year olds.

Have you been following him around?

Don't be silly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 15, 2017, 10:54:18 AM

It now seems that Mrs Ohr was hired specifically to work on producing negative 'information' about Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 15, 2017, 01:11:27 PM

Follow up to the article Andrew mentioned. CNN would have you believe Trump's denial of Russian collusion has to do with his ego. Somehow they over look the fact Trump opinion was the same well before he was elected.

This story on Trump's Russia paranoia is terrifying

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/15/politics/donald-trump-russia/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 15, 2017, 03:05:11 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 15, 2017, 10:52:29 AM

Don't be silly.

Stating that he hasn't raped any thirteen-year-olds was even sillier. Unless you have been following him around, you would have no way of knowing that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on December 15, 2017, 05:54:20 PM

Now Russell Simmons, Tavis Smiley, Dustin Hoffman, along with a bunch of ESPN commentators have been hit with sexual deviant behavior accusations. Now the evidence is clear, anyone who goes in front of a TV or movie camera is a pervert (AKA publicity whore). :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on December 15, 2017, 10:24:38 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 15, 2017, 03:05:11 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 15, 2017, 10:52:29 AM
Don't be silly.

Stating that he hasn't raped any thirteen-year-olds was even sillier. Unless you have been following him around, you would have no way of knowing that.

I'm wondering what kind of individual would come up with a scenario like that in the first place! Little bit over the top Tom :rolleye0009:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 16, 2017, 01:53:33 AM

Tom, something is up with you. Dunno what, I but something.

Given the sheer number of professional 'followers' he has, many of them willing to contribute to the bukkake of untruth that you guys happily wipe from your faces each day, do you honestly think that if such a story as you now suggest took place that we wouldn't know about it?

Don't let your prejudices overwhelm your intellect as happened during the election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on December 16, 2017, 04:11:50 AM

He caught you in his trap Andrew... he never did imply that that story was out.
He was doing a "what if" that he made up in his own head... which is the part I found quite disturbing given it's content

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 16, 2017, 08:50:31 AM

The accusations were made, but there is absolutely nothing solid to back up the alleged attack.
Jeffrey Epstein is a convicted sex offender so why not try to use him in an effort to discredit Trump?
The media should have also put the same effort to placing Bill Clinton's activities with Epstein.
It's been shown many times that the media can sway the public opinion without any proof.
I can't imagine what future elections will be like?
The bar was not set very high this past election,so the question is how low can they go?

Woman suing Trump over alleged teen rape drops suit, again

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 16, 2017, 10:13:03 AM

In spite of what the liberal media would have you believe, president Trump has accomplished quite a bit to improve the economy.
Spending during this holiday season is at record highs. Employment and the public opinion that it will remain positive have contributed to increased spending.
Those that predicted to stock market would be devastated by a Trump presidency really missed the mark.
This is a disaster for the democrats, as they have absolutely nothing to show for this past year.

The GOP,tax plan will only help to solidify the progress of this past year.
The Democrats are going to be very hard pressed to gain any seats in the midterm elections if the economy continues at its current pace.
2018 looks to be a very good year for the GOP, and president Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 16, 2017, 10:47:16 AM

Keep your fingers crossed. Republican tax plan on the cusp of passing!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/15/us/politics/republican-tax-bill.amp.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 16, 2017, 11:17:12 AM

The liberal media was quick to criticize one of Trump's judge picks, but most of the networks failed to give president Trump credit for setting a record for most judges appointed in the first year.
Again another promise candidate Trump has kept after election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 16, 2017, 02:13:56 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 16, 2017, 11:17:12 AM

The liberal media was quick to criticize one of Trump's judge picks, but most of the networks failed to give president Trump credit for setting a record for most judges appointed in the first year.
Again another promise candidate Trump has kept after election.

This particular promise is probably the most important one of all.

I suspect B/B and Shakespear would agree. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 16, 2017, 09:27:55 PM

Quote from: d672 on December 16, 2017, 04:11:50 AM

He was doing a "what if" that he made up in his own head...

One should never let ignorance stand in the way of forming a mulish opinion.

A woman, using the pseudonym, "Katie Johnson," filed a civil suit against Donald Trump, claiming rape, sexual slavery, battery, unlawful restraint and threats against herself and her family. She was thirteen at the time of the alleging incidents.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on December 16, 2017, 09:53:12 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 16, 2017, 09:27:55 PM

Quote from: d672 on December 16, 2017, 04:11:50 AM
He was doing a "what if" that he made up in his own head...

One should never let ignorance stand in the way of forming a mulish opinion.

A woman, using the pseudonym, "Katie Johnson," filed a civil suit against Donald Trump, claiming rape, sexual slavery, battery, unlawful restraint and threats against herself and her family. She was thirteen at the time of the alleging incidents.

Yes, I see that has come to light since I wrote that. What you fail to mention is that she dropped that civil suit... just like you failed to mention originally that you had reason to write about it. So you are a sneaky weasel who likes to play mind games with people... much better!!!!

It doesn't change my opinion that you should seek professional help... now it's just for another reason

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 16, 2017, 10:21:57 PM

^ Please tell me again that I made this up in my own head.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on December 16, 2017, 10:34:19 PM

Nice try at deflection... read my post again, I acknowledged that you didn't in case you didn't understand it

And thanks for once again showing how you like to play mind games.... pathetic

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 16, 2017, 10:37:58 PM

^ Your comments have no effect on me but you are giving Counterfeit an erection. Good luck with that!

Seriously, you ought to consider the use of the ignore feature if my posts upset you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on December 16, 2017, 10:45:31 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 16, 2017, 10:37:58 PM

^ Your comments have no effect on me but you are giving Counterfeit an erection. Good luck with that!

Seriously, you ought to consider the use of the ignore feature if my posts upset you.

My comments are for the benefit of the other readers who don't know your history. Thanks for helping me show them your true colors.
I really couldn't care less what effect they have on you

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 16, 2017, 10:54:51 PM

You claimed that I was making up the story about Katie Johnson and later accused me of deflecting. After I kicked the legs out from under your argument, you deflected by moving the goalposts. Your claim that you "couldn't care less" seems hollow in the face of your response. "Methinks the lady doth protest too much."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on December 16, 2017, 11:13:19 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 16, 2017, 10:54:51 PM

You claimed that I was making up the story about Katie Johnson and later accused me of deflecting.

You deflected from my post where I acknowledged you didn't make it up by posting this right after...

Quote from: TomT on December 16, 2017, 10:21:57 PM

^ Please tell me again that I made this up in my own head.

Quote from: TomT on December 16, 2017, 10:54:51 PM

After I kicked the legs out from under your argument, you deflected by moving the goalposts.

I wasn't deflecting, I was showing the readers how you like to play your childish mind games... something I have seen you do on here for years now

Quote from: TomT on December 16, 2017, 10:54:51 PM

Your claim that you "couldn't care less" seems hollow in the face of your response. "Methinks the lady doth protest too much."

You can think anything you want. I know you well enough to know you would never admit you are wrong to anyone who you see as beneath you (which is pretty much everyone here) . I also know you will try to discredit them to try to fulfill your need to feel superior. So go ahead and do your worst to me pathetic little man. The people are watching...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on December 16, 2017, 11:17:50 PM

Oh, and if my posts upset you, you can always use the ignore feature...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 16, 2017, 11:32:16 PM

Quote from: d672 on December 16, 2017, 11:13:19 PM

So go ahead and do your worst to me pathetic little man.

I have nothing to add.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 16, 2017, 11:51:55 PM

Early reports on the new tax plan show lower marginal rates for all but the lowest earners. On the surface, this seems like a tax cut... but the maximum deduction for state and local taxes has been capped at 10K. People who own expensive homes in areas with high mill rates and who pay substantial amounts of state income tax may find that this cap offsets their lower marginal federal income tax rates. My take on this is that the middle class will get screwed but it will take a good accountant to sort this all out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on December 17, 2017, 12:02:40 AM

Of course the bigger problem with the "pedo-Drumpf" theories are that for each contact with Jeffrey Epstein that Trump had, you can find at least 3 such contacts of Jeffey Epstein ... with Bill and Hillary Clinton. Remember, the impeached rapist and the 2016 loser duo?

Bill Clinton took at least 26 trips on Epstein's private jet to his private island, in at least 5 cases he declined (did not travel with) his Secret Service detail. Hillary, also, took trips to the private island.

Is Bill a pedophile? Is Hillary?!?!?

Will be interesting to see what additional information comes out about Epstein. One thing that struck me as weird about Epstein - police found a fully complete, dental chair and related tools, in his house in Florida. Could be used to hide identity based on dental records, maybe?

The guy seems creepy: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3688656/A-fully-equipped-dentist-s-chair-close-photos-young-girls-backsides-eerie-images-videotaped-walk-billionaire-pedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-s-Florida-mansion.html

Meanwhile, Trump banned Epstein from Mar A Lago after some kind of incident with a female masseuse and Epstein occurred...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 17, 2017, 12:18:40 AM

It slipped my mind that personal exemptions will be eliminated. For a family of three, this loss ($12,150) will more than offset the increase in standard deduction by $11,300. The more children that one has, the worse that they will get hit. A single person will have a slight advantage: he will lose the $4050 personal exemption but gain $5650 in the standard deduction. Of course, if he itemizes, the standard deduction is moot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 17, 2017, 08:39:16 AM

Quote from: d672 on December 16, 2017, 09:53:12 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 16, 2017, 09:27:55 PM
Quote from: d672 on December 16, 2017, 04:11:50 AM
He was doing a "what if" that he made up in his own head...

One should never let ignorance stand in the way of forming a mulish opinion.

A woman, using the pseudonym, "Katie Johnson," filed a civil suit against Donald Trump, claiming rape, sexual slavery, battery, unlawful restraint and threats against herself and her family. She was thirteen at the time of the alleging incidents.

Yes, I see that has come to light since I wrote that. What you fail to mention is that she dropped that civil suit... just like you failed to mention originally that you had reason to write about it. So you are a sneaky weasel who likes to play mind games with people... much better!!!!

It doesn't change my opinion that you should seek professional help... now it's just for another reason

:laugh: tiphat

Good summary. Most men come here with good intentions and others not so much.
Not so sure that some can be helped either. Some have a deep desire to bait others and then play the victim when someone responds.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 17, 2017, 08:51:33 AM

The Trump tax plan mostly seems to benefit the upper middle class, the wealthy and corporations because there’s a belief that they deserve it after 8 years of Socialism under Obama and 5 years of a transfer of wealth to the MIC under Bush Jr.

If Trump’s desire to bring overseas investments home to the USA come true the real benefit to the middle class will be jobs and rising wages.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 17, 2017, 08:59:59 AM

Cisco, Pfizer and Coca-Cola have already announced that they will use the bulk of their massive corporate tax cuts for dividends and for stock buy-backs, implying that Trump's promises about job creation and wage increases for the middle class were worth less than a degree from Trump University. Other corporations will likely follow suit quietly. This will benefit those for whom dividends are the bulk of their income but will be a disaster for middle-class wage-earners who have no way to offset the consequences of the increased national debt that are build into the tax plan. Trump made good on his promise to his wealthy friends anyway.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 17, 2017, 10:04:39 AM

Quote from: TomT on December 17, 2017, 08:59:59 AM

Cisco, Pfizer and Coca-Cola have already announced that they will use the bulk of their massive corporate tax cuts for dividends and for stock buy-backs, implying that Trump's promises about job creation and wage increases for the middle class were worth less than a degree from Trump University. Other corporations will likely follow suit quietly. This will benefit those for whom dividends are the bulk of their income but will be a disaster for middle-class wage-earners who have no way to offset the consequences of the increased national debt that are build into the tax plan. Trump made good on his promise to his wealthy friends anyway.

Trickle down economics takes more than a few days or months to work and his tax plan is only one part of his economic agenda.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 17, 2017, 10:05:20 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 17, 2017, 08:51:33 AM

The Trump tax plan mostly seems to benefit the upper middle class, the wealthy and corporations because there’s a belief that they deserve it after 8 years of Socialism under Obama and 5 years of a transfer of wealth to the MIC under Bush Jr.

If Trump’s desire to bring overseas investments home to the USA come true the real benefit to the middle class will be jobs and rising wages.

Curious are there any statistics of which segments of the population voted for Trump?

My guess the parts of America that will benefit from the GOP/Trump plan are not the average middle class.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 17, 2017, 10:11:27 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 17, 2017, 10:05:20 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 17, 2017, 08:51:33 AM
The Trump tax plan mostly seems to benefit the upper middle class, the wealthy and corporations because there’s a belief that they deserve it after 8 years of Socialism under Obama and 5 years of a transfer of wealth to the MIC under Bush Jr.

If Trump’s desire to bring overseas investments home to the USA come true the real benefit to the middle class will be jobs and rising wages.

Curious are there any statistics of which segments of the population voted for Trump?

My guess the parts of America that will benefit from the GOP/Trump plan are not the average middle class.

The lower income segments who voted for Trump have already benefited from improved national security due to simply enforcing laws already on the books as well as the implementation of no immigration from 7 dangerous nations.

Although a wall hasn’t been built border crossings by illegals are down substantially and likely to remain down for the length of Trump’s presidency.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 17, 2017, 12:23:00 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 17, 2017, 10:11:27 AM

Although a wall hasn’t been built border crossings by illegals are down substantially and likely to remain down for the length of Trump’s presidency.

The Wall hasn't even been built and it's already working. If the fcuktard Left didn't have to signal all their moral vanity, we'd have better control over immigration. Trump started enforcing laws, and the flow of illegals went down....who knew? :chuckle:

And for all the crying the Left does about the minimum wage, if we got rid of all the cheap labor then wages would have to rise to get people to do the work. Two birds, one stone.

Of course, the dilettante Left doesn't want to have to pay $25 for their salads at SBUX....they just want to be able to Talk the Talk, not Walk the Walk....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on December 17, 2017, 12:56:38 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 17, 2017, 12:23:00 PM

Of course, the dilettante Left doesn't want to have to pay $25 for their salads at SBUX....they just want to be able to Talk the Talk, not Walk the Walk....

B/B

Thats so strange, because over here in NL, the minimum hourly wage on a 40/week job is enough to lead a normal life.

Yet our salad at SBUX is below E10.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 17, 2017, 01:58:26 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 17, 2017, 12:23:00 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 17, 2017, 10:11:27 AM
Although a wall hasn’t been built border crossings by illegals are down substantially and likely to remain down for the length of Trump’s presidency.

The Wall hasn't even been built and it's already working. If the fcuktard Left didn't have to signal all their moral vanity, we'd have better control over immigration. Trump started enforcing laws, and the flow of illegals went down....who knew? :chuckle:

And for all the crying the Left does about the minimum wage, if we got rid of all the cheap labor then wages would have to rise to get people to do the work. Two birds, one stone.

Of course, the dilettante Left doesn't want to have to pay $25 for their salads at SBUX....they just want to be able to Talk the Talk, not Walk the Walk....

B/B

I was also thinking about the elimination of too many people who will work for minimum wage (or less) and how it drags the wages down for most Americans as I wrote about immigration and the wall. I wanted to focus on just one benefit at a time however I’m very happy you’ve brought this up.

The additional benefit is that Mexicans can stay home and MMGA! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 17, 2017, 04:16:55 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 16, 2017, 11:51:55 PM

People who own expensive homes in areas with high mill rates and who pay substantial amounts of state income tax may find that this cap offsets their lower marginal federal income tax rates.

As I see it the property and local income tax exemption has always unfairly subsidized those states and localities who impose high tax rates to pay for their social programs. Voters from California and New England has received their fair share of federal expenditures without paying the full cost due to 100% property and local tax deductability. Now with a fixed local cap of $10,000 voters will have to determine if they wish to renew those higher tax rates and pay federal tax on the excess. Totally fair in my book.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on December 17, 2017, 04:29:54 PM

Hey reading the posts here I thought only the democrats whined and complained endlessly.
I read about that Moore guy teenage creeper isn't accepting his loss very well and says there's fraud going on.
Tell me this isn't so and what I read was fake news? Brought on by the liberal media who want nothing to do with the real story.
Tom Cat hasn't posted about it so that's why I'm thinking it must be fake cause y'know he is unbias in his copy & paste posts, all 5k worth.
So I'll wait for a Republican to give me the real news on this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 17, 2017, 04:53:53 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on December 17, 2017, 04:29:54 PM

Hey reading the posts here I thought only the democrats whined and complained endlessly.
I read about that Moore guy teenage creeper isn't accepting his loss very well and says there's fraud going on.
Tell me this isn't so and what I read was fake news? Brought on by the liberal media who want nothing to do with the real story.
Tom Cat hasn't posted about it so that's why I'm thinking it must be fake cause y'know he is unbias in his copy & paste posts, all 5k worth.
So I'll wait for a Republican to give me the real news on this.

I believe there was a small amount of voter fraud but no the election will not be overturned and a recount is highly unlikely.

Some people were caught crossing from Mississippi into Alabama with intentions of committing voter fraud.

In 2020 the people of Alabama can choose again. Hopefully they will have a much better choice than Roy Moore on that side of the ticket.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on December 17, 2017, 05:27:10 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on December 17, 2017, 04:29:54 PM

Hey reading the posts here I thought only the democrats whined and complained endlessly.
I read about that Moore guy teenage creeper isn't accepting his loss very well and says there's fraud going on.
Tell me this isn't so and what I read was fake news? Brought on by the liberal media who want nothing to do with the real story.
Tom Cat hasn't posted about it so that's why I'm thinking it must be fake cause y'know he is unbias in his copy & paste posts, all 5k worth.
So I'll wait for a Republican to give me the real news on this.

My understanding is that Moore is pushing for the military absentee ballots and certain other ballots, to be counted; until that happens he won't concede. Whether those ballots will bring him either enough votes to win, or within 0.5% to trigger some kind of recount, is of course, the big question.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roy-moore-tells-supporters-battle-is-not-over-in-alabamas-senate-race/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 18, 2017, 10:03:54 AM

Economic optimism soars, boosting Trump's approval rating: CNBC survey

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/18/economic-optimism-soaring-helping-trump-cnbc-survey.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 18, 2017, 10:34:05 AM

Quote from: shakespear on December 17, 2017, 04:16:55 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 16, 2017, 11:51:55 PM
People who own expensive homes in areas with high mill rates and who pay substantial amounts of state income tax may find that this cap offsets their lower marginal federal income tax rates.

As I see it the property and local income tax exemption has always unfairly subsidized those states and localities who impose high tax rates to pay for their social programs. Voters from California and New England has received their fair share of federal expenditures without paying the full cost due to 100% property and local tax deductability. Now with a fixed local cap of $10,000 voters will have to determine if they wish to renew those higher tax rates and pay federal tax on the excess. Totally fair in my book.

Aren’t these the people who always say they are willing to pay more or that the wealthy don’t pay enough? So pay up suckers! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 18, 2017, 10:58:55 AM

Quote from: shakespear on December 17, 2017, 04:16:55 PM

As I see it the property and local income tax exemption has always unfairly subsidized those states and localities who impose high tax rates to pay for their social programs. Voters from California and New England has received their fair share of federal expenditures without paying the full cost due to 100% property and local tax deductability. Now with a fixed local cap of $10,000 voters will have to determine if they wish to renew those higher tax rates and pay federal tax on the excess. Totally fair in my book.

If you are debating fairness, the property/sales/state income tax exemption should be eliminated for all taxpayers, as well as the mortgage interest exemption. After all, people who can afford a million-dollar home (up to 750K mortgage) ought not be subsidized by those who can only afford to rent.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 18, 2017, 11:20:34 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on December 17, 2017, 04:29:54 PM

Hey reading the posts here I thought only the democrats whined and complained endlessly.
I read about that Moore guy teenage creeper isn't accepting his loss very well and says there's fraud going on.
Tell me this isn't so and what I read was fake news? Brought on by the liberal media who want nothing to do with the real story.
Tom Cat hasn't posted about it so that's why I'm thinking it must be fake cause y'know he is unbias in his copy & paste posts, all 5k worth.
So I'll wait for a Republican to give me the real news on this.

You should bear in mind that the majority of RUA members are Trump supporters who aren't bright enough to understand the disconnect between xenophobia/misogyny/authoritarianism and seeking a bride from another culture. Many of them believe that they can buy a marginalized woman from a foreign shithole... just like their president did.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 18, 2017, 01:56:43 PM

Big Brother control of the “press” in the U.K.

https://www.axios.com/twitter-suspends-jayda-fransens-account-2518407238.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 18, 2017, 02:33:48 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 18, 2017, 10:58:55 AM

If you are debating fairness, the property/sales/state income tax exemption should be eliminated for all taxpayers, as well as the mortgage interest exemption. After all, people who can afford a million-dollar home (up to 750K mortgage) ought not be subsidized by those who can only afford to rent.

In a "textbook" sort of fairness you may have a point. But I think they found a good compromise by setting a limit on the combined property/local tax deduction. Leaves on onus on local government to reduce spending and thereby reduce the tax rate on their local citizenry.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 18, 2017, 02:56:22 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 18, 2017, 02:33:48 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 18, 2017, 10:58:55 AM
If you are debating fairness, the property/sales/state income tax exemption should be eliminated for all taxpayers, as well as the mortgage interest exemption. After all, people who can afford a million-dollar home (up to 750K mortgage) ought not be subsidized by those who can only afford to rent.

In a "textbook" sort of fairness you may have a point. But I think they found a good compromise by setting a limit on the combined property/local tax deduction. Leaves on onus on local government to reduce spending and thereby reduce the tax rate on their local citizenry.

Exactly. Fake news is fake because these are the types of facts which they conveniently omit, time after time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 18, 2017, 05:25:27 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 18, 2017, 11:20:34 AM

You should bear in mind that the majority of RUA members are Trump supporters who aren't bright enough to understand the disconnect between xenophobia/misogyny/authoritarianism and seeking a bride from another culture. Many of them believe that they can buy a marginalized woman from a foreign shithole... just like their president did.

So guys who look abroad for relationships have to be in favor of letting undocumented, illegal aliens and muzzie nutters into the country, just because? *blinks*

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 18, 2017, 06:45:28 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 18, 2017, 05:25:27 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 18, 2017, 11:20:34 AM
You should bear in mind that the majority of RUA members are Trump supporters who aren't bright enough to understand the disconnect between xenophobia/misogyny/authoritarianism and seeking a bride from another culture. Many of them believe that they can buy a marginalized woman from a foreign shithole... just like their president did.

So guys who look abroad for relationships have to be in favor of letting undocumented, illegal aliens and muzzie nutters into the country, just because? *blinks*

B/B

Let’s face it: all of these relationships are at the outset “mutually beneficial” relationships. Is the OP in your quote complaining that he was not as capable as our Billionaire President at setting up the object of his affection, or just what is it he’s complaining about?

And authoritarian? Melania’s hometown being in the EU is clearly less “authoritarian” than a few others. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on December 18, 2017, 08:56:11 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 18, 2017, 05:25:27 PM

So guys who look abroad for relationships have to be in favor of letting undocumented, illegal aliens and muzzie nutters into the country, just because? *blinks*

I wrote nothing of the sort.

p.s.

You should get that eye looked at; untreated eye infections can have some very ugly consequences.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 18, 2017, 09:43:59 PM

Black Unemployment Rate Lowest in 17 Years
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/black-unemployment-rate-lowest-17-years

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 18, 2017, 10:55:14 PM

In its determination to secure a nuclear deal with Iran, the Obama administration derailed an ambitious law
enforcement campaign targeting drug trafficking by the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah, even as it
was funneling cocaine into the United States, according to a POLITICO investigation.

read all about it here
https://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/obama-hezbollah-drug-trafficking-investigation/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on December 19, 2017, 12:54:36 AM

Quote

“If the budget keeps being cut and the agency keeps being given more things to do, the I.R.S. is simply not going to work.” Either the information technology will fail, forcing the filing and refund systems to collapse, he warned, or enforcement and audits will become so scarce that fewer people will be inclined to pay the taxes they owe.

Quote

The prospective elimination of personal exemptions adds another twist. That may invalidate all the automatic withholding forms, or W-4s, that employees signed, Mr. Isberg said, “and put employers in the position of getting a new W-4 from every U.S. worker.”

Quote

“My sense is that there could be broad bipartisan support for restructuring the I.R.S.”

Quote

Updating the agency’s vast computer system is also a gargantuan undertaking. The I.R.S. (along with much of the federal government and major financial institutions) uses a computer programming language called Cobol, developed almost 60 years ago. Almost every coding change will, in effect, have to be entered by hand.

Quote

“It won’t surprise me if the combination of the filing season and implementation of the legislation create significant problems,”

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/business/irs-tax-bill.html

Y2K was no big deal, so this should be a piece of cake. (:)

What really needs to be done is to abolish the 16th amendment. That would eliminate the IT problems and the agency. But, then who is going to collect the daily 6 billion dollars? The U.S. government's total revenue is estimated to be $3.654 trillion for fiscal year 2018. All hell may break loose. :duh: :P :scared0005: :censored: :sick0012: :money:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 19, 2017, 03:39:34 PM

Give president Trump a high five.

Single-family housing starts, permits hit 10-year high

https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-economy-housingstarts/single-family-housing-starts-permits-hit-10-year-high-idUSKBN1ED1NQ

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 19, 2017, 08:25:58 PM

:coffeeread:

It's Time To Prosecute The Clinton Political Crime Syndicate

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/its-time-to-prosecute-the-clinton-political-crime-syndicate/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 19, 2017, 11:15:17 PM

Quote from: TomT on December 18, 2017, 08:56:11 PM

I wrote nothing of the sort.

Then what WAS your point?

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on December 20, 2017, 12:22:15 AM

Trump is amazing TopCat! He get praise from you for everything totally unconnected to him!
Maybe he can make RUA Great Again!
I read yet another Hollywood guy wants to be in the Whitehut.
I can see it happening, y'all love to elect your celebrity types. Another totally qualified entertainer running the big top.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 20, 2017, 05:22:27 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on December 20, 2017, 12:22:15 AM

Trump is amazing TopCat! He get praise from you for everything totally unconnected to him!
Maybe he can make RUA Great Again!
I read yet another Hollywood guy wants to be in the Whitehut.
I can see it happening, y'all love to elect your celebrity types. Another totally qualified entertainer running the big top.

If you don't have work, chances are you won't be able to buy a house.
If you think the economy is about to tank, again chances are you wouldn't be making larger purchases.
Do I need to give more examples Donny boy?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 20, 2017, 12:33:37 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 20, 2017, 05:22:27 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on December 20, 2017, 12:22:15 AM
Trump is amazing TopCat! He get praise from you for everything totally unconnected to him!
Maybe he can make RUA Great Again!
I read yet another Hollywood guy wants to be in the Whitehut.
I can see it happening, y'all love to elect your celebrity types. Another totally qualified entertainer running the big top.

If you don't have work, chances are you won't be able to buy a house.
If you think the economy is about to tank, again chances are you wouldn't be making larger purchases.
Do I need to give more examples Donny boy?

Historic tax reform has passed in Congress and will now be sent to President Trump!

Hip hip hooray! :king:

Do you think when US GDP hits 4% that Liberals will be happy? :chuckle:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 20, 2017, 12:36:36 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 20, 2017, 12:33:37 PM

Historic tax reform has passed in Congress and will now be sent to President Trump!

Hip hip hooray! :king:

Do you think when US GDP hits 4% that Liberals will be happy? :chuckle:

No they will be unhappy, they will make all sorts of distortions about the
economy, and homelessness will be back on the front page of the news
again.

Millions of Americans on food stamps during the Obama economy
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/170105181212-06-obama-economy-foodstamps-780x439.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 20, 2017, 03:35:50 PM

Quote

The US says it "will be taking names" during a UN General Assembly vote on a resolution criticising its recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
Permanent representative Nikki Haley warned member states that President Donald Trump had asked her to report on "who voted against us" on Thursday.

Don't tell him Pike!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 20, 2017, 08:30:59 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 20, 2017, 03:35:50 PM

Quote
The US says it "will be taking names" during a UN General Assembly vote on a resolution criticising its recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital.
Permanent representative Nikki Haley warned member states that President Donald Trump had asked her to report on "who voted against us" on Thursday.

Don't tell him Pike!!

Funny stuff Ste! tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 20, 2017, 09:05:46 PM

How is this even possible? One of the anti-Trump trolls said that the companies would keep all of the tax savings for themselves! AT&T to pay $1,000 bonuses to hundreds of thousands of workers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/12/20/tax-reform-reaction-att-is-giving-bonuses-to-200000-employees.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 21, 2017, 11:37:32 AM

Quote from: Confederate on December 20, 2017, 09:05:46 PM

How is this even possible? One of the anti-Trump trolls said that the companies would keep all of the tax savings for themselves! AT&T to pay $1,000 bonuses to hundreds of thousands of workers.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2017/12/20/tax-reform-reaction-att-is-giving-bonuses-to-200000-employees.html

PMS-NBC Anchor Tries To Criticize Companies For
Giving Post-Tax Reform Christmas Bonuses
An MSNBC anchor is extremely mad that her staff is getting a tax
break and bonuses after Congress passed comprehensive tax reform.

Interestingly, it’s members of Reid’s staff who stand to benefit the most.
Her parent company, Comcast/NBCUniversal, announced that hundreds
of thousands of employees would be getting $1,000 bonuses, and that
they would be investing $50 billion in the company over the next five
years.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/21/msnbc-anchor-tries-to-criticize-companies-for-giving-post-tax-reform-christmas-bonuses/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2017, 12:55:44 PM

Twitter comes down hard on VP Pence for praising President Trump. :chuckle:

I honestly felt like barfing when Biden or a celeb praised Obama. So too bad.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5a3b637de4b06d1621b1c282/amp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2017, 01:02:22 PM

Whoa! Sessions opens inquiry into Uranium one deal.

http://m.newsok.com/article/5576796

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2017, 01:04:51 PM

More.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/prosecutors-ask-fbi-agents-info-uranium-one-deal-n831436

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 21, 2017, 01:05:16 PM

Nice vote United Nations. Thanks. Trump just found the $1 Billion needed in the budget for domestic infrastructure. Can't say he didn't warn you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on December 21, 2017, 03:08:06 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 21, 2017, 01:05:16 PM

Nice vote United Nations. Thanks. Trump just found the $1 Billion needed in the budget for domestic infrastructure. Can't say he didn't warn you.

The UN should be relocated to Cyprus. Then once they've truly fixed that situation, they can move elsewhere.

We don't need (yet another) den of vipers in the middle of NYC.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 21, 2017, 03:27:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 21, 2017, 12:55:44 PM

Twitter

All Twitter shows is that when you give the power to the Weird Kids, they turn into asshats also.

Quote from: Confederate on December 21, 2017, 01:02:22 PM

Whoa! Sessions opens inquiry into Uranium one deal.

That's a shot across the bow to the HRC lovers working for Bobby Three Sticks.

Quote from: shakespear on December 21, 2017, 01:05:16 PM

Nice vote United Nations. Thanks. Trump just found the $1 Billion needed in the budget for domestic infrastructure. Can't say he didn't warn you.

Yep. We should kick those fcukers out, and have them take all their unpaid parking tickets with them.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on December 21, 2017, 04:15:03 PM

Speaking of Harry Reid, he got $22 million to fund UFO tracking in the skies around Area 51. Hey, maybe the things were drones? :ROFL:

Quote

For his part, Mr. Reid said he did not know where the objects had come from. “If anyone says they have the answers now, they’re fooling themselves,” he said. “We do not know.”

But, he said, “we have to start someplace.”

http://www.newsweek.com/aliens-ufos-pentagon-search-program-750494
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2017, 04:30:56 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on December 21, 2017, 04:15:03 PM

Speaking of Harry Reid, he got $22 million to fund UFO tracking in the skies around Area 51. Hey, maybe the things were drones? :ROFL:

Quote
For his part, Mr. Reid said he did not know where the objects had come from. “If anyone says they have the answers now, they’re fooling themselves,” he said. “We do not know.”

But, he said, “we have to start someplace.”

Some may have been drones but overall most are actual UFO’s, which can quickly exit earth through other dimensions.

“Internationally, we are the most backward country in the world on this issue,” Bigelow told The Times. “Our scientists are scared of being ostracized, and our media is scared of the stigma. China and Russia are much more open and work on this with huge organizations within their countries.”

http://www.newsweek.com/aliens-ufos-pentagon-search-program-750494
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 21, 2017, 04:36:40 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/3sGQCp1.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2017, 04:41:42 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 21, 2017, 03:27:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 21, 2017, 01:02:22 PM
Whoa! Sessions opens inquiry into Uranium one deal.

That's a shot across the bow to the HRC lovers working for Bobby Three Sticks.

B/B

Long overdue. The FBI is corrupt to the core with Clinton and Obama sycophants.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2017, 04:44:59 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 21, 2017, 04:36:40 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/3sGQCp1.jpg)

I like it! Especially the “Come all ye faithful” line. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 22, 2017, 05:53:33 AM

Newt Gingrich: Trump's revolution in national security and foreign policy

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/12/22/newt-gingrich-trumps-revolution-in-national-security-and-foreign-policy.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 22, 2017, 09:15:41 AM

Quote from: B.B. on December 21, 2017, 03:27:35 PM

Yep. We should kick those fcukers out, and have them take all their unpaid parking tickets with them.

B/B

Approximately $16 million at last count.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 22, 2017, 09:47:41 AM

Should the U.S embassy leave the U.K. then?
About £10,000,000 owed by them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 22, 2017, 10:01:17 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 22, 2017, 09:47:41 AM

Should the U.S embassy leave the U.K. then?
About £10,000,000 owed by them.

Sure, why not?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2017, 10:11:01 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 22, 2017, 10:01:17 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 22, 2017, 09:47:41 AM
Should the U.S embassy leave the U.K. then?
About £10,000,000 owed by them.

Sure, why not?

I second that motion. :chuckle:

When the royal family wants to be evacuated from London due to being overrun by Orcs we can inform them they are on their own.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 22, 2017, 12:00:11 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 22, 2017, 09:47:41 AM

Should the U.S embassy leave the U.K. then?
About £10,000,000 owed by them.

OK I'll bite. Exactly how does the US Embassy owe $10 millions pounds to Great Britain?

Late Edit - oh you mean "congestion fees"? A daily tax on driving cars in the city of London? I would agree that those fees should be paid however I'd like to know what commie socialist liberal came up with that horrible idea? Please don't tell me it's to offset carbon credits for operating a car.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 12:14:03 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 22, 2017, 09:47:41 AM

Should the U.S embassy leave the U.K. then?
About £10,000,000 owed by them.

Quote from: shakespear on December 22, 2017, 12:00:11 PM

OK I'll bite. Exactly how does the US Embassy owe $10 millions pounds to Great Britain?

No - they owe it to the United Kingdom

Quote from: shakespear on December 22, 2017, 12:00:11 PM

Late Edit - oh you mean "congestion fees"? A daily tax on driving cars in the city of London? I would agree that those fees should be paid however I'd like to know what commie socialist liberal came up with that horrible idea? Please don't tell me it's to offset carbon credits for operating a car.

Oh dear, it was introduced by a socialist mayor - but kept in force by a right of centre one - who reduced the size of the zone .. He was elected for TWO terms ... He's now the UK Foreign Minister ;) Boris Johnson

You are aware how many deaths are due to pollution in cities, right ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 22, 2017, 12:47:05 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 12:14:03 PM

You are aware how many deaths are due to pollution in cities, right ?

We have the same thing here in the USA to protect our air quality in high pollution zones. Seven of the 88 counties here in Ohio require each car get tested once every two years. The test costs about $12 and if you pass you get a certificate that allows to you register the car and get a license plate. If you fail, you have to get your car repaired so it will pass a retest.

11.5 pounds a day? That's 4197.5 pounds per car per year! With approximately 2.56 million cars in London, that would be approximately 10,745,600,000 POUNDS per year. Seems a little excessive doesn't it? No wonder your economy is going into the shitter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 22, 2017, 12:57:35 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 12:14:03 PM

by a right of centre one

Which makes him a left wing nutter/kook/crackpot.

Maggie was right of center.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 12:57:53 PM

Quote from: shakespear on December 22, 2017, 12:47:05 PM

We have the same thing here in the USA to protect our air quality in high pollution zones. Seven of the 88 counties here in Ohio require each car get tested once every two years. The test costs about $12 and if you pass you get a certificate that allows to you register the car and get a license plate. If you fail, you have to get your car repaired so it will pass a retest.

11.5 pounds a day? That's 4197.5 pounds per car per year! With approximately 2.56 million cars in London, that would be approximately 10,745,600,000 POUNDS per year. Seems a little excessive doesn't it? No wonder your economy is going into the shitter.

Oh dear Shakey, why don't you ask questions ? ...

1/ It's ONE Pound a day - plus a £10 registration fee for REGULAR users ... https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge (https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge)

2/ Our economy is still growing - though naturally - it has slowed because of the lemming-like vote to leave which - as predicted - is becoming farce-like and seems to be heading for paying a lot of money to leave a club that will still set rules we have no longer influence over ...

3/ Not sure why one would WANT to take a car into central London during the week - if working in a office / shop - given the Public Transport infrastructure - one can still drive into London - the 'congestion zone' isn't that large....

So, why DOESN'T the US govt not pay up ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 12:58:29 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 12:14:03 PM

by a right of centre one

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 22, 2017, 12:57:35 PM

Which makes him a left wing nutter/kook/crackpot.

Only if you are Attila the Hun

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 01:00:15 PM

"So, why DOESN'T the US govt pay up ? "

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 22, 2017, 01:03:20 PM

In UK cars are emission tested every year as part of the annual test. The london congestion cgarge is only paid by those daft enough to visit london in a car, resudents dont pay aiui

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 22, 2017, 01:58:39 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 12:58:29 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 12:14:03 PM
by a right of centre one

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 22, 2017, 12:57:35 PM
Which makes him a left wing nutter/kook/crackpot.

Only if you are Attila the Hun

Attila the Hun was a leftist dictator. Hitler was a leftist dictator.

So yes either of those would consider your left-wing-nut
mayor right of center.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 22, 2017, 02:02:46 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 01:00:15 PM

"So, why DOESN'T the US govt pay up ? "

I don't know anything about it, this is the first I've ever heard
of it, although I do believe in tit for tat. If the US must pay for
silly lefty driving fees than by all means UK diplomats should
too any time they drive in the USA and they should pay $5-6
per gallon for gas too.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 04:25:01 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 22, 2017, 01:58:39 PM

Attila the Hun was a leftist dictator. Hitler was a leftist dictator.

While Angel Eyes is in Russia are you partaking of some interesting substances ?

Your 'history' sure is Bunk ..

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 22, 2017, 01:58:39 PM

So yes either of those would consider your left-wing-nut
mayor right of center.

Beel, if Boris Johnson is 'left-wing' in your 'world'- then you truly do need to get Angel Eyes back - quick ....

Boris on rich people.... “We should be helping all those who can to join the ranks of the super-rich, and we should stop any bashing or moaning or preaching or bitching and simply give thanks for the prodigious sums of money that they are contributing to the tax revenues of this country, and that enable us to look after our sick and our elderly and to build roads, railways and schools.”

Really, Beel - UK politics just isn't your field of expertise..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 22, 2017, 04:25:41 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 22, 2017, 02:02:46 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 01:00:15 PM
"So, why DOESN'T the US govt pay up ? "

I don't know anything about it, this is the first I've ever heard
of it, although I do believe in tit for tat. If the US must pay for
silly lefty driving fees than by all means UK diplomats should
too any time they drive in the USA and they should pay $5-6
per gallon for gas too.

Two words....

[Joss Ackland mode on]

DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY!!!

[Joss Ackland mode off]

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 22, 2017, 08:19:29 PM

The republican party needed Trump. I doubt any of the other candidates that ran against Trump would have done as much as Trump has.

Trump’s Conservative Critics Concede: He’s Winning

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/22/trumps-conservative-critics-concede-hes-winning/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on December 23, 2017, 08:44:13 AM

Quote from: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 12:57:53 PM

So, why DOESN'T the US govt not pay up ?

Answer to that is way above my pay grade.

I would assume they consider it covered under some type of diplomatic immunity. However it looks to me like some kind of local tax and therefore should be paid. I imagine the government and embassy could easily work out a solution to the problem.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 23, 2017, 09:17:00 AM

Of course a solution is easy. The refusal to pay is indicative and illustrative.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 23, 2017, 02:36:37 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 04:25:01 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 22, 2017, 01:58:39 PM

Attila the Hun was a leftist dictator. Hitler was a leftist dictator.

While Angel Eyes is in Russia are you partaking of some interesting substances ?

Your 'history' sure is Bunk ..

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 22, 2017, 01:58:39 PM
So yes either of those would consider your left-wing-nut
mayor right of center.

Beel, if Boris Johnson is 'left-wing' in your 'world'- then you truly do need to get Angel Eyes back - quick ....

Boris on rich people.... “We should be helping all those who can to join the ranks of the super-rich, and we should stop any bashing or moaning or preaching or bitching and simply give thanks for the prodigious sums of money that they are contributing to the tax revenues of this country, and that enable us to look after our sick and our elderly and to build roads, railways and schools.”

Really, Beel - UK politics just isn't your field of expertise..

Boris is also half-american, so can run for POTUS. Needs to grab a few more pussies and not build a wall, not prove Obama is African, not produce evidence of his conversion with the soldiers widow that showed he was bigly compassionate and not produce evidence in two weeks ages ago that his IQ is majorly bigly. And his tax returns.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 23, 2017, 04:07:27 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 04:25:01 PM

Your 'history' sure is Bunk ..

Beel, if Boris Johnson is 'left-wing' in your 'world'- then you truly do need to get Angel Eyes back - quick ....

Boris on rich people.... “We should be helping all those who can to join the ranks of the super-rich, and we should stop any bashing or moaning or preaching or bitching and simply give thanks for the prodigious sums of money that they are contributing to the tax revenues of this country, and that enable us to look after our sick and our elderly and to build roads, railways and schools.”

Really, Beel - UK politics just isn't your field of expertise..

The left is for more control and more government
while the right is for more liberty less control and less government

The extreme left consists of totalitarian dictators
The extreme right consists of anarchists

The far left are socialists or communists
The far right are libertarians

The left are liberals
The right are conservatives
The center are those who don't have the convictions to make
a decision.

100% of all dictators are far left, zero percent are right of center.

I know nothing of your guy, but if he is mayor of London and you call
him right of center then he is a lefty because your center is off kilter.
I agree, I know very little of UK politics

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 23, 2017, 05:03:31 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 23, 2017, 04:07:27 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 04:25:01 PM
Your 'history' sure is Bunk ..

Beel, if Boris Johnson is 'left-wing' in your 'world'- then you truly do need to get Angel Eyes back - quick ....

Boris on rich people.... “We should be helping all those who can to join the ranks of the super-rich, and we should stop any bashing or moaning or preaching or bitching and simply give thanks for the prodigious sums of money that they are contributing to the tax revenues of this country, and that enable us to look after our sick and our elderly and to build roads, railways and schools.”

Really, Beel - UK politics just isn't your field of expertise..

The left is for more control and more government
while the right is for more liberty less control and less government

The extreme left consists of totalitarian dictators
The extreme right consists of anarchists

The far left are socialists or communists
The far right are libertarians

The left are liberals
The right are conservatives
The center are those who don't have the convictions to make
a decision.

100% of all dictators are far left, zero percent are right of center.

I know nothing of your guy, but if he is mayor of London and you call
him right of center then he is a lefty because your center is off kilter.
I agree, I know very little of UK politics

What you fail to see is it's the USA that's off-kilter, no other country denies it's citizens what we consider normal in the rest of the world, such as health care, decent paid worry-free holiday time, paternity leave, and not getting shot by a lone-wolf marksman or depressed policeman (armed).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 23, 2017, 05:48:58 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 23, 2017, 05:03:31 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 23, 2017, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 04:25:01 PM
Your 'history' sure is Bunk ..

Beel, if Boris Johnson is 'left-wing' in your 'world'- then you truly do need to get Angel Eyes back - quick ....

Boris on rich people.... “We should be helping all those who can to join the ranks of the super-rich, and we should stop any bashing or moaning or preaching or bitching and simply give thanks for the prodigious sums of money that they are contributing to the tax revenues of this country, and that enable us to look after our sick and our elderly and to build roads, railways and schools.”

Really, Beel - UK politics just isn't your field of expertise..

The left is for more control and more government
while the right is for more liberty less control and less government

The extreme left consists of totalitarian dictators
The extreme right consists of anarchists

The far left are socialists or communists
The far right are libertarians

The left are liberals
The right are conservatives
The center are those who don't have the convictions to make
a decision.

100% of all dictators are far left, zero percent are right of center.

I know nothing of your guy, but if he is mayor of London and you call
him right of center then he is a lefty because your center is off kilter.
I agree, I know very little of UK politics

What you fail to see is it's the USA that's off-kilter, no other country denies it's citizens what we consider normal in the rest of the world, such as health care, decent paid worry-free holiday time, paternity leave, and not getting shot by a lone-wolf marksman or depressed policeman (armed).

I love it. A couple of pinko Socialists borderline Commies trying to tell us Americans what is off-kilter. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 23, 2017, 05:59:17 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 23, 2017, 05:03:31 PM

What you fail to see is it's the USA that's off-kilter, no other country denies it's citizens what we consider normal in the rest of the world, such as health care, decent paid worry-free holiday time, paternity leave, and not getting shot by a
lone-wolf marksman or depressed policeman (armed).

Nobody in the USA is denied healthcare. In the USA you can have
almost anything you want but you gotta pay for it. What you want
is for somebody else to pay for stuff.

In the USA we have a safety net for poor people.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 23, 2017, 06:10:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 23, 2017, 05:48:58 PM

I love it. A couple of pinko Socialists borderline Commies trying to tell us Americans what is off-kilter. :laugh:

For a place that is so awful everyone does seem to want to come here.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on December 23, 2017, 10:31:08 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 23, 2017, 05:03:31 PM

What you fail to see is it's the USA that's off-kilter, no other country denies it's citizens what we consider normal in the rest of the world, such as health care, decent paid worry-free holiday time, paternity leave, and not getting shot by a lone-wolf marksman or depressed policeman (armed).

You are less informed than I thought. In the UN there are 168 country's and there are many who do not offer decent health care for everyday citizens, decent paid worry free holidays time, paternity leave and still offer the possibility of getting shot by somebody. Just ask those African refugees coming to Europe, Syrians and much of the middle east not to mention a lot of central America and parts of south America. I am far more likely to fall on my front steps and died from the fall than to be shot by a armed marksman or depressed policeman. US law state that all hospital emergency rooms must provide care to anybody who walk in the door. There many programs to help the poor pay for care. The health care system still needs help. We hear horror stories about the UK system so maybe you can set us straight. Donald Trump want to do a national health care system but he has no support in congress to be able to get it done.

It is obvious the reason you hate Donald Trump is he is good for the USA. Obama has done a lot to hurt our military. You guys all hated him but then just love the weaken condition he put us in. This will not last as the repair process has begun.

Russia is targeting the UK if there is any war with the west. It appears one of the first thing Russia would do it to try to separate UK from the USA and destroy UK to cut off supplies to the rest of NATO. Russian subs are been surveying under sea cables off the UK to either tape into them to get spy data and/or sever them in a war. Cutting these cables would bring down the exchanges and cut the island banking system off to the rest of the world with hopes to put the island into economic chaos. At the present time the undefended British isles is no match for Russia and that is where Russia would likely strike first. This would separate the US from France and Germany which could not hold out long. The rest of Europe would then just give up. Someone here wrote the Russian military has no match and this very well maybe true because the most of the EU has been asleep. The USA was not much better under Obama who wasted much of the military money he had available cut many parts of our military to where it is barely functional.

Reading I have done show we have five military bases in the UK all near London. I am not sure if that is still the current number. I could not find the number of troops at these locations but I do not think they are large bases. I believe these are to be receiving stations if needed. The US is exploring new technology in Sub hunting planes. Yes there are current sub hunting planes but my understanding is the technology is still too limiting. It is not ready yet so for now the British isles could be cut off anytime Russia get up set with the west.

No the cold war with Russia and the west is not shutting down it has just changing in nature getting ready for the next confrontation. Russia is actively improving its position while NATO is an overly confident giant on paper.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 24, 2017, 01:19:21 AM

Quote from: B.B. on December 23, 2017, 06:10:37 PM

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For a place that is so awful everyone does seem to want to come here.

B/B

Hmm, Personally

I"d rather live in Russia.....

But we can't have the 'russophobe' posting THAT !.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2017, 05:37:05 AM

Quote from: Ste on December 23, 2017, 05:03:31 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 23, 2017, 04:07:27 PM
Quote from: msmoby on December 22, 2017, 04:25:01 PM
Your 'history' sure is Bunk ..

Beel, if Boris Johnson is 'left-wing' in your 'world'- then you truly do need to get Angel Eyes back - quick ....

Boris on rich people.... “We should be helping all those who can to join the ranks of the super-rich, and we should stop any bashing or moaning or preaching or bitching and simply give thanks for the prodigious sums of money that they are contributing to the tax revenues of this country, and that enable us to look after our sick and our elderly and to build roads, railways and schools.”

Really, Beel - UK politics just isn't your field of expertise..

The left is for more control and more government
while the right is for more liberty less control and less government

The extreme left consists of totalitarian dictators
The extreme right consists of anarchists

The far left are socialists or communists
The far right are libertarians

The left are liberals
The right are conservatives
The center are those who don't have the convictions to make
a decision.

100% of all dictators are far left, zero percent are right of center.

I know nothing of your guy, but if he is mayor of London and you call
him right of center then he is a lefty because your center is off kilter.
I agree, I know very little of UK politics

What you fail to see is it's the USA that's off-kilter, no other country denies it's citizens what we consider normal in the rest of the world, such as health care, decent paid worry-free holiday time, paternity leave, and not getting shot by a lone-wolf marksman or depressed policeman (armed).

A person in London has a better chance of being run over on a sidewalk or stabbed than we have of being shot. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 24, 2017, 12:08:54 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 24, 2017, 05:37:05 AM

A person in London has a better chance of being run over on a sidewalk or stabbed than we have of being shot.

Most likely if they were a pedestrian they looked the wrong way.

But seriously while I do not agree with everything that Texan notes, he is closer to reality than others.

I guess the bigger question is would Russian (Putin) enter into a war with/against the West (The United States), my own opinion is no, he is both pragmatic and cautious. I suspect as Texan notes the game is changing and with out doubt it is more complicated than we realize.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 24, 2017, 12:19:26 PM

Of course Russia isn't about to start a war with 'the west' there's no point.

Reframe the point more sensibly and one can understand the contrary position is possible, even if largely by accident.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 25, 2017, 08:51:41 AM

Can't say that they were not warned.

‘We’ll no longer let US generosity be taken advantage of’: Haley hails $285mn cut to UN budget

https://www.rt.com/usa/414208-haley-praise-un-budget-cut/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 27, 2017, 04:53:00 PM

Obama's administration didn't seem to mind sexual misconduct in the workplace.

http://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/27/doj-criticizes-alleged-systemic-sexual-misconduct-given-free-pas

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on December 28, 2017, 06:25:30 AM

(http://i.cubeupload.com/G5S1Sa.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on December 28, 2017, 06:51:24 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 23, 2017, 05:59:17 PM

In the USA you can have almost anything you want but you gotta pay for it. What you want is for somebody else to pay for stuff.

I have to say, spot on Bill.

I believe we have many great things going on in the Uk and the NHS is absolutely one of them. In my opinion, the best way to improve the NHS is to make it more efficient as apposed to throwing more money at it. The amounts wasted on purchasing as highlighted earlier in the thread is obvious but its become very thirsty through bureaucracy.

In one pot we have no money to pay for more nurses/salary increases but in another pot we have almost too much. The net effect is that the NHS pays more for contract staff on seriously high salaries because we have so few full time. It's madness.....

Anyway I do agree with Bill but we can't get confused. I absolutely subscribe to everyone contributing to a health care system where we are all looked after should we become ill or injured. Safety in numbers.

What I hate however is this lefty culture of getting other people to pay for their stuff. Society today, doesn't shame the work shy, the tax avoiders and benefits cheats. It all starts at the top though and some justify being on the take because big business appears to avoid paying their fair share in tax.

Both needs addressed and those deemed to be abusing the system should be punished. There should be no incentive to taking short cuts and people should begin to take responsibility once again. We live in a blame culture, it's poisonous and it's a slippery slope.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on December 28, 2017, 07:50:46 AM

Quote from: rosco on December 28, 2017, 06:51:24 AM

What I hate however is this lefty culture of getting other people to pay for their stuff. Society today, doesn't shame the work shy, the tax avoiders and benefits cheats. It all starts at the top though and some justify being on the take because big business appears to avoid paying their fair share in tax.

Both needs addressed and those deemed to be abusing the system should be punished. There should be no incentive to taking short cuts and people should begin to take responsibility once again. We live in a blame culture, it's poisonous and it's a slippery slope.

The problem with these things in Netherlands (And I doubt UK is different) is that you have to make rules 'one size fits all' as discrimination against age,sex,skin-color,etc. is forbidden and 'one size fits all' does not fit the cheaters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 31, 2017, 12:00:58 PM

Looking back, the liberal media never gave Candidate Trump any chance of winning. After his victory and a year of economic growth and many accomplishments the media has not changed a bit.
This video is truly priceless

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 31, 2017, 12:40:49 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 31, 2017, 12:00:58 PM

Looking back, the liberal media never gave Candidate Trump any chance of winning. After his victory and a year of economic growth and many accomplishments the media has not changed a bit.
This video is truly priceless

He's not done anything except piss people off, the economic growth is a continuation of the previous incumbent, that's always the case, even here when Labour took the glory of the Good Friday agreement, it was John Major who kicked it all off under the Tories.

It really is a case of The Emperor's New Clothes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 31, 2017, 12:51:45 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 31, 2017, 12:40:49 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 31, 2017, 12:00:58 PM
Looking back, the liberal media never gave Candidate Trump any chance of winning. After his victory and a year of economic growth and many accomplishments the media has not changed a bit.
This video is truly priceless

He's not done anything except piss people off, the economic growth is a continuation of the previous incumbent, that's always the case, even here when Labour took the glory of the Good Friday agreement, it was John Major who kicked it all off under the Tories.

It really is a case of The Emperor's New Clothes.

Illegal immigration is the lowest level since the early 1970s.
Is that too Credit for Obama's administration? It was predicted that the stock market would plummet under Trump, yet a year of record highs.
It's because of the Trump factor this has little to nothing to do with the past administration.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 31, 2017, 01:16:37 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 31, 2017, 12:51:45 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 31, 2017, 12:40:49 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 31, 2017, 12:00:58 PM
Looking back, the liberal media never gave Candidate Trump any chance of winning. After his victory and a year of economic growth and many accomplishments the media has not changed a bit.
This video is truly priceless

He's not done anything except piss people off, the economic growth is a continuation of the previous incumbent, that's always the case, even here when Labour took the glory of the Good Friday agreement, it was John Major who kicked it all off under the Tories.

It really is a case of The Emperor's New Clothes.

Illegal immigration is the lowest level since the early 1970s.
Is that too Credit for Obama's administration? It was predicted that the stock market would plummet under Trump, yet a year of record highs.
It's because of the Trump factor this has little to nothing to do with the past administration.

Figures say....

Have a look at what the World's leading economists say, he's achieved nothing, I'm not going to copy and paste crap from the internet, read a few books and magazines.

Everyone knows I don't like Trump but your can't deny what the experts say, and if you are claiming Trump trumps all these people, God help you all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 31, 2017, 01:46:03 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 31, 2017, 01:16:37 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 31, 2017, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: Ste on December 31, 2017, 12:40:49 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 31, 2017, 12:00:58 PM
Looking back, the liberal media never gave Candidate Trump any chance of winning. After his victory and a year of economic growth and many accomplishments the media has not changed a bit.
This video is truly priceless

He's not done anything except piss people off, the economic growth is a continuation of the previous incumbent, that's always the case, even here when Labour took the glory of the Good Friday agreement, it was John Major who kicked it all off under the Tories.

It really is a case of The Emperor's New Clothes.

Illegal immigration is the lowest level since the early 1970s.
Is that too Credit for Obama's administration? It was predicted that the stock market would plummet under Trump, yet a year of record highs.
It's because of the Trump factor this has little to nothing to do with the past administration.

Figures say....

Have a look at what the World's leading economists say, he's achieved nothing, I'm not going to copy and paste crap from the internet, read a few books and magazines.

Everyone knows I don't like Trump but your can't deny what the experts say, and if you are claiming Trump trumps all these people, God help you all.

“Leading economists”? Ste you’re a Marxist and you read pro-Marxist economists like Paul Krugman.

We already covered this up thread.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on December 31, 2017, 02:36:52 PM

Funny how they got it so wrong in this article... since these leading world economists Ste talks about say Trump achieved nothing...

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/trump-economy-gdp-growth-unemployment/

QUOTE FROM LINK:

So, let's review.

Economists were continually overestimating growth under big-spending, high-taxing, regulatory-happy Obama, and underestimating growth under Trump's pro-business, tax-cutting, deregulatory policies.

One might be tempted to conclude that these economists are either ideologically biased or pretty lousy at their jobs.

They must be talking about Ste's economists! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 31, 2017, 02:37:06 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 31, 2017, 01:46:03 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 31, 2017, 01:16:37 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 31, 2017, 12:51:45 PM
Quote from: Ste on December 31, 2017, 12:40:49 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 31, 2017, 12:00:58 PM
Looking back, the liberal media never gave Candidate Trump any chance of winning. After his victory and a year of economic growth and many accomplishments the media has not changed a bit.
This video is truly priceless

He's not done anything except piss people off, the economic growth is a continuation of the previous incumbent, that's always the case, even here when Labour took the glory of the Good Friday agreement, it was John Major who kicked it all off under the Tories.

It really is a case of The Emperor's New Clothes.

Illegal immigration is the lowest level since the early 1970s.
Is that too Credit for Obama's administration? It was predicted that the stock market would plummet under Trump, yet a year of record highs.
It's because of the Trump factor this has little to nothing to do with the past administration.

Figures say....

Have a look at what the World's leading economists say, he's achieved nothing, I'm not going to copy and paste crap from the internet, read a few books and magazines.

Everyone knows I don't like Trump but your can't deny what the experts say, and if you are claiming Trump trumps all these people, God help you all.

“Leading economists”? Ste you’re a Marxist and you read pro-Marxist economists like Paul Krugman.

We already covered this up thread.

Unlike you lot I can see both sides usually, Islam is a valid religion but there's a hell of a lot of scum behind it. UK politics are usually well balanced but we have food banks to feed people. Denmark is the perfect place to live, no one is marginalised or suffers homelessness or dies young, pro-health, but it's fukn well boring to live there. See, two sides, pros and cons.

Poor people are a pain in the arse but they buy shit that keeps business owners rich, immigrants water down local culture but they do the shit jobs and cheaply so we get our abundant taxis and $4 pizzas...

I read across the whole spectrum, and that is slowly but surely forming my position, even stuff I don't like, its the only way.

Anyway, 9 hr trip back to Dubs again, bit knackered I'm gonna withdraw my claws and wish all a Happy New New Year, even Confederate who I seem to argue with most, having a curry I brought back from UK, Irish ones are weak, pathetic really...

S Novym Godom, and in Irish;

'Athbhliain faoi mhaise duit' - say it sort of 'Athlee-on fwee wash-a gwitch' - mental...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on December 31, 2017, 02:44:47 PM

Quote from: d672 on December 31, 2017, 02:36:52 PM

Funny how they got it so wrong in this article... since these leading world economists Ste talks about say Trump achieved nothing...

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/trump-economy-gdp-growth-unemployment/

QUOTE FROM LINK:

So, let's review.

Economists were continually overestimating growth under big-spending, high-taxing, regulatory-happy Obama, and underestimating growth under Trump's pro-business, tax-cutting, deregulatory policies.

One might be tempted to conclude that these economists are either ideologically biased or pretty lousy at their jobs.

They must be talking about Ste's economists! :chuckle:

Don't google stuff and quote it! I can do that and show that 2 and 2 is actually 5. Do what I suggest, read and inwardly digest, look around, history, other regimes, other economic plans and come back.

Two second googling reveals 77% of Americans believe in Angels. I bet that's not true. Someone needs to read and research, ie not me cos IDGAS

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 31, 2017, 03:26:52 PM

Quote from: d672 on December 31, 2017, 02:36:52 PM

So, let's review.

Economists were continually overestimating growth under big-spending, high-taxing, regulatory-happy Obama, and underestimating growth under Trump's pro-business, tax-cutting, deregulatory policies.

One might be tempted to conclude that these economists are either ideologically biased or pretty lousy at their jobs.

Marxist trolls live in their own alternate reality.

The USA just added the most manufacturing jobs in one month in the history of our nation, and shortly after a devastating hurricane season.

The stock market is at an all time high.

Trump’s low tax, reduced regulations and pro-business environment has paid off big time.

However if you’re an anti-business Marxist with head up ass it’s hard to see all the beautiful sunshine. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on December 31, 2017, 03:35:36 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 31, 2017, 02:44:47 PM

Don't google stuff and quote it! I can do that and show that 2 and 2 is actually 5. Do what I suggest, read and inwardly digest, look around, history, other regimes, other economic plans and come back.

I have read, quite a bit. I came upon that article a while back and it was the first thing I thought of when I read your claims from these mysterious economists of yours. Did you even read the article? It outlines how the economists underestimated the effects of Trump's policies. The stats show it.

And don't worry Ste, I do know how to think for myself. For example... I also read about this about a week ago... Apple is bringing their money back to the US because of Trumps Tax bill changes

http://uk.businessinsider.com/gop-tax-plan-allows-apple-to-bring-back-252-billion-in-foreign-cash-2017-12

Now you tell me... does having an extra 252 billion in US banks instead if foreign banks help the US economy at all? That is just Apple doing this, let alone how many more companies that will be doing the same with billions of dollars more. And is Trump not directly responsible for this happening? Of course he is. How can these economists of yours deny that? :)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 31, 2017, 03:37:39 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 31, 2017, 01:16:37 PM

Figures say....

Let's examine the claims of the left (note I am not saying you made
all these claims, I am saying, some among the left have said this)

1. Obama had the economy back on it's feet
Obama presided in the worst recovery since Harry Truman. If you
want to look on the bright side, Herbert Hoover did far worse. You
can accurately say that Obama's economy was better than Hoovers.

2. Trump they say, did nothing.

It's just like hitting yourself in the head with a hammer,
it feels soooooooo good when you stop.

Trump stopped hitting our economy in the head with a hammer.
1. He stopped all the silly climate deals that cost money and jobs.
2. He enforced our immigration policy which stopped lowering
everyone's wages.
3. He cut thousands of pages regulations which hampered business.
4. He stopped the war on energy, we can drill in ANWR, or off
the gulf coast, coal can be taken from the ground once again.
5. He enacted an across the board tax cut for both people and business.
6. These things caused confidence, both among consumers and businesses
and that's what caused the economy to grow.

The biggest thing Trump did was that he stopped with the hammer.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 31, 2017, 04:00:33 PM

Quote from: d672 on December 31, 2017, 03:35:36 PM

Quote from: Ste on December 31, 2017, 02:44:47 PM

Don't google stuff and quote it! I can do that and show that 2 and 2 is actually 5. Do what I suggest, read and inwardly digest, look around, history, other regimes, other economic plans and come back.

I have read, quite a bit. I came upon that article a while back and it was the first thing I thought of when I read your claims from these mysterious economists of yours. Did you even read the article? It outlines how the economists underestimated the effects of Trump's policies. The stats show it.

And don't worry Ste, I do know how to think for myself. For example... I also read about this about a week ago... Apple is bringing their money back to the US because of Trumps Tax bill changes

http://uk.businessinsider.com/gop-tax-plan-allows-apple-to-bring-back-252-billion-in-foreign-cash-2017-12

Now you tell me... does having an extra 252 billion in US banks instead if foreign banks help the US economy at all? That is just Apple doing this, let alone how many more companies that will be doing the same with billions of dollars more. And is Trump not directly responsible for this happening? Of course he is. How can these economists of yours deny that? :)

It’s called “head up backside syndrome”. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on December 31, 2017, 09:48:45 PM

Quote

The stock market is at an all time high.

if we don't experience "ALL TIME HIGH" we would have zero or less growth

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 01, 2018, 12:43:48 AM

Quote from: yankee on December 31, 2017, 09:48:45 PM

Quote

The stock market is at an all time high.

if we don't experience "ALL TIME HIGH" we would have zero or less growth

Economic growth is a formula that doesn't include the stock market.

The formula to calculate the components of GNP is Y = C + I + G + X

That stands for GNP = Consumption + Investment + Government + X (net exports, or imports minus exports)

Trump has 3% GNP growth in 2017, Obama never had a year of 3% growth
in his entire 8 years in office.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 01, 2018, 06:09:09 AM

Boys, you should know by now that Ste is similar to his pal Moby, in that you will never changed their opinion with fact. They pick a team, usually the opposite from the majority then die fighting.

Sorry Ste but you convey how open minded and well read you are compared with the average Trump supporter and then in the same paragraph instantly prove you’re not.

I agree there almost always is a ying/yang effect and that includes Trump. All the good stuff he’s done economically can be countered by the embarrassing behaviour he displays regularly.

Still, let’s not let fact get in the way of a good narrative eh?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 01, 2018, 07:08:07 AM

Given the reality of economic cycles it is fantasy to ascribe recent economic events to a president who only came into power a year ago.

Furthermore, it is almost certain that government policies can only affect the amplitude of economic cycles and not their frequency.

You'll know about Trump's effect upon the U.S economy sometime after the next election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 01, 2018, 08:49:58 AM

'Boys' ... let's put Rosco's 'riposte' in proper perspective

Quote from: rosco on January 01, 2018, 06:09:09 AM

let’s not let fact get in the way of a good narrative eh?

Facts like the US economy that tanked with most in 2007/8 was already recovering BEFORE 'Tramp' was elected

Quote from: rosco on January 01, 2018, 06:09:09 AM

Boys, you should know by now that Ste is similar to his pal Moby, in that you will never changed their opinion with fact.

1/ Ste is a died-in-the-wool Labour Party supporter and I've only ever voted Tory - when voting - oops Rosco's 'bubble' is burst from the get go ..the FACT is the likes of Rosco simply repeat bollox about my political viewpoint

Quote from: rosco on January 01, 2018, 06:09:09 AM

2/They pick a team, usually the opposite from the majority then die fighting.

'They'? Can't speak for Ste, but I don't feel the need of a tag team to mock some daft assertions on here.

Quote from: rosco on January 01, 2018, 06:09:09 AM

Sorry Ste but you convey how open minded and well read you are compared with the average Trump supporter and then in the same paragraph instantly prove you’re not.

:chuckle: Mr 'open-minded' himself - casting judgement ? No wonder you need 'moderation' protection from your historical howlers

Quote from: rosco on January 01, 2018, 06:09:09 AM

I agree there almost always is a ying/yang effect and that includes Trump. All the good stuff he’s done economically can be countered by the embarrassing behaviour he displays regularly.

Except it is not so difficult to suggest he inherited an improving situation ? Something most western nations are ...save for lemming-like jumping off a cliff UK

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on January 01, 2018, 09:55:09 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 01, 2018, 06:09:09 AM

Boys, you should know by now that Ste is similar to his pal Moby, in that you will never changed their opinion with fact. They pick a team, usually the opposite from the majority then die fighting.

Sorry Ste but you convey how open minded and well read you are compared with the average Trump supporter and then in the same paragraph instantly prove you’re not.

I agree there almost always is a ying/yang effect and that includes Trump. All the good stuff he’s done economically can be countered by the embarrassing behaviour he displays regularly.

Still, let’s not let fact get in the way of a good narrative eh?

You really think it's hopeless for him then?

Sad day, guess there's nothing left to do but take him out behind the barn and put him out of his misery, was really trying to avoid that. Oh well, can't save them all... :(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 01, 2018, 10:28:57 AM

Quote from: d672 on January 01, 2018, 09:55:09 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 01, 2018, 06:09:09 AM
Boys, you should know by now that Ste is similar to his pal Moby, in that you will never changed their opinion with fact. They pick a team, usually the opposite from the majority then die fighting.

Sorry Ste but you convey how open minded and well read you are compared with the average Trump supporter and then in the same paragraph instantly prove you’re not.

I agree there almost always is a ying/yang effect and that includes Trump. All the good stuff he’s done economically can be countered by the embarrassing behaviour he displays regularly.

Still, let’s not let fact get in the way of a good narrative eh?

You really think it's hopeless for him then?

Sad day, guess there's nothing left to do but take him out behind the barn and put him out of his misery, was really trying to avoid that. Oh well, can't save them all... :(

Nah give him a chance. We might disagree about political stuff but he seems like a decent bloke! :coffeeread:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 01, 2018, 11:19:16 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 01, 2018, 07:08:07 AM

Given the reality of economic cycles it is fantasy to ascribe recent economic events to a president who only came into power a year ago.

In the short term a lot of economics is perception. Businesses (and consumers)
see and hear certain things and they perceive a climate for growth so they react
accordingly, if that happens with many businesses perception can become
reality.

The BCI and CCI are measurements of that.

U.S. consumer confidence remains near 17-year high
http://money.cnn.com/2017/12/27/news/economy/us-consumer-confidence/index.html

The BCI last 5 years

(https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/united-states-nfib-business-optimism-index@2x.png?s=unitedstanfibusoptin&v=201712121341v&d1=20130101&d2=20181231)

If you want to dig around in the weeds, you can see things like new orders,
US Factory Activity Growth is at a 11-Month High, you can look at individual
metrics here https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/manufacturing-pmi

However, your original point of what a one year president actually did or
could do, he probably talked up the economy as much as anything else.
He also stopped hitting the economy in the head with a hammer. He
hasn't came up with one single plan that will obviously hurt business
and his predecessor ONLY had plans that did that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 01, 2018, 12:14:08 PM

Quote from: rosco on January 01, 2018, 10:28:57 AM

Quote from: d672 on January 01, 2018, 09:55:09 AM
Quote from: rosco on January 01, 2018, 06:09:09 AM
Boys, you should know by now that Ste is similar to his pal Moby, in that you will never changed their opinion with fact. They pick a team, usually the opposite from the majority then die fighting.

Sorry Ste but you convey how open minded and well read you are compared with the average Trump supporter and then in the same paragraph instantly prove you’re not.

I agree there almost always is a ying/yang effect and that includes Trump. All the good stuff he’s done economically can be countered by the embarrassing behaviour he displays regularly.

Still, let’s not let fact get in the way of a good narrative eh?

You really think it's hopeless for him then?

Sad day, guess there's nothing left to do but take him out behind the barn and put him out of his misery, was really trying to avoid that. Oh well, can't save them all... :(

Nah give him a chance. We might disagree about political stuff but he seems like a decent bloke! :coffeeread:

I 2nd that!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 01, 2018, 02:32:46 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 31, 2017, 03:26:52 PM

The stock market is at an all time high.

The high might have something to do with what you smoke.

If one looks at the stock market one can see it is cyclical in nature. If one examines earnings they really are not all that great. Yes there are exceptions.

Andrew and Bill I suspect see the bigger picture, but I am inclined to give D. Trump a chance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 01, 2018, 08:51:44 PM

Typical liberal tactic .

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/31/hillary-clinton-backer-paid-500g-to-fund-women-accusing-trump-sexual-misconduct-before-election-day-report-says.amp.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 02, 2018, 04:23:24 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 01, 2018, 08:51:44 PM

Typical liberal tactic .

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/31/hillary-clinton-backer-paid-500g-to-fund-women-accusing-trump-sexual-misconduct-before-election-day-report-says.amp.html

I saw this today. I wonder if the BBC and other MSM outlets will give extensive air time to this development? Sadly I think it’ll be glossed over and the Ste’s of the world shall assume Trumps guilty by association.

The mud has stuck so there’s no need to tell the truth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 02, 2018, 09:25:58 AM

With all the fake news, and negative reports by the liberal media the real President Trump is not well known.
For instance President Trump refuses to board his plane until he personally thanked, congratulated , and shook hands with the police officers that escorted him to the airport. Showing appreciation and acknowledging their efforts was a classy gesture.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 02, 2018, 12:09:18 PM

The below has the requisite liberal whinging from the NYT, but they grudingly acknowledge the Trump Effect.

The Trump Effect: Business, Anticipating Less Regulation, Loosens Purse Strings (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/01/us/politics/trump-businesses-regulation-economic-growth.html)

WASHINGTON — A wave of optimism has swept over American business leaders, and it is beginning to translate into the sort of investment in new plants, equipment and factory upgrades that bolsters economic growth, spurs job creation — and may finally raise wages significantly.

While business leaders are eager for the tax cuts that take effect this year, the newfound confidence was initially inspired by the Trump administration’s regulatory pullback, not so much because deregulation is saving companies money but because the administration has instilled a faith in business executives that new regulations are not coming.

“It’s an overall sense that you’re not going to face any new regulatory fights,” said Granger MacDonald, a home builder in Kerrville, Tex. “We’re not spending more, which is the main thing. We’re not seeing any savings, but we’re not seeing any increases.”

. . . .

Even before it became clear that Republicans would pass a major tax cut, capital spending had risen significantly, climbing at an annualized rate of 6.2 percent during the first three quarters of last year. Surveys of planned spending also show increases.

. . . .

Administration officials said last month that, since January 2017, federal agencies have delayed, withdrawn or made inactive nearly 1,600 planned regulatory actions. Further rollbacks will affect financial services as well as energy and labor rules, among others.

. . . .

The low unemployment in the United States may also be prompting increased spending, just as it did in the 1990s, as corporations invest in technology to make workers more productive, or replace them entirely. Wendy’s is adding self-service kiosks at 1,000 restaurants.

But business executives say the Trump administration deserves credit. Mr. MacDonald said home builders have benefited from the killing of regulations written by the Obama administration, including a rule that broadened the definition of wetlands, which could have restricted home building in certain areas. The National Labor Relations Board also reversed a decision that made builders more responsible for the working conditions of their contractors’ employees.

. . . .

The Business Roundtable, a corporate lobbying group in Washington, reported last month that “regulatory costs” were no longer the top concern of American executives, for the first time in six years. Mr. Zandi said that regulation was still the top concern in Moody’s survey of business confidence, but that it was rapidly losing ground to concerns about the availability of labor.

The National Association of Manufacturers’ fourth-quarter member survey found that fewer than half of manufacturers cited an “unfavorable business climate” — including regulations and taxes — as a challenge to their business, down from nearly three-quarters a year ago.

. . . .

“There has been some regulatory fixes for a lot of industries, and they would tell you that matters a lot,” said Jamie Dimon, the chairman of JPMorgan Chase, who also leads the Business Roundtable. “It’s just hard to do a direct correlation. It doesn’t mean it isn’t real.”

The confidence is translating to industries that have not, as of yet, seen any obvious benefit or policy changes.
. . . .
The White House sees its efforts as having their intended effect. Mr. Trump boasted about his deregulatory efforts last month at an event where he stood in front of a small mountain of printouts representing the nation’s regulatory burden and ceremonially cut a large piece of “red tape.”

The chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, Kevin Hassett, said in an interview that the administration’s freeze on new regulations, in particular, appeared to have buoyed confidence. Though he cautioned that it could take years of research to pin down the magnitude of the effects, he said deregulation was “the most plausible story” to explain why economic growth in 2017 had outstripped most forecasts.

“Our view is, the ‘no new regulations’ piece has to be more powerful than we thought,” he said.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 02, 2018, 06:42:53 PM

Ste’s head just blew up! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 03, 2018, 12:10:55 PM

Trump slams Bannon? Have to wonder what Bannon's reasons are for making the statement?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trump-slams-bannon-when-he-was-fired-he-not-only-lost-his-job-he-lost-his-mind/2018/01/03/21fb158a-f0aa-11e7-b3bf-ab90a706e175_story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on January 03, 2018, 12:19:16 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 03, 2018, 12:10:55 PM

Trump slams Bannon? Have to wonder what Bannon's reasons are for making the statement?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trump-slams-bannon-when-he-was-fired-he-not-only-lost-his-job-he-lost-his-mind/2018/01/03/21fb158a-f0aa-11e7-b3bf-ab90a706e175_story.html

Trump is trying to soothe the fact that he is already bought out by the establishment.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 03, 2018, 12:23:12 PM

Bill, the reading thing, like the understanding thing, really helpful.

An economy has a myriad of 'indicators' but cherry picking stuff that you don't understand to make a point that fits your prejudices isn't very helpful. Try learning about what economic cycles are and why they happen. When you've done that you'll see that the observations you made simply supported the point I was making. Confidence increases during an upcycle - duh!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 03, 2018, 12:50:06 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 03, 2018, 12:23:12 PM

Bill, the reading thing, like the understanding thing, really helpful.

An economy has a myriad of 'indicators' but cherry picking stuff that you don't understand to make a point that fits your prejudices isn't very helpful. Try learning about what economic cycles are and why they happen. When you've done that you'll see that the observations you made simply supported the point I was making. Confidence increases during an upcycle - duh!

Boom and bust. When I was at uni it was the great debate, and how to end it. I suppose that's where communism won - it was all bust....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 03, 2018, 01:21:59 PM

Interview with Trump, quite enlightening...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2018, 01:26:11 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 03, 2018, 12:50:06 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 03, 2018, 12:23:12 PM
Bill, the reading thing, like the understanding thing, really helpful.

An economy has a myriad of 'indicators' but cherry picking stuff that you don't understand to make a point that fits your prejudices isn't very helpful. Try learning about what economic cycles are and why they happen. When you've done that you'll see that the observations you made simply supported the point I was making. Confidence increases during an upcycle - duh!

Boom and bust. When I was at uni it was the great debate, and how to end it. I suppose that's where communism won - it was all bust....

And yet 100 years later the lemmings are lined up wanting more....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 03, 2018, 01:47:21 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2018, 01:26:11 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 03, 2018, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: andrewfi on January 03, 2018, 12:23:12 PM
Bill, the reading thing, like the understanding thing, really helpful.

An economy has a myriad of 'indicators' but cherry picking stuff that you don't understand to make a point that fits your prejudices isn't very helpful. Try learning about what economic cycles are and why they happen. When you've done that you'll see that the observations you made simply supported the point I was making. Confidence increases during an upcycle - duh!

Boom and bust. When I was at uni it was the great debate, and how to end it. I suppose that's where communism won - it was all bust....

And yet 100 years later the lemmings are lined up wanting more....

I don't, you assume I do, but I don't!

I do think we have to look after people, cos fit, healthy, happy people earn, spend and contribute! Not price them out of health care, homes, affordable public transport and disenfranchise them so they die, live on the streets, bum around and cost more to dispose of when they freeze to death on St. Stephen's Green (in Dublin).

Simples!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2018, 02:52:53 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 03, 2018, 01:47:21 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2018, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 03, 2018, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: andrewfi on January 03, 2018, 12:23:12 PM
Bill, the reading thing, like the understanding thing, really helpful.

An economy has a myriad of 'indicators' but cherry picking stuff that you don't understand to make a point that fits your prejudices isn't very helpful. Try learning about what economic cycles are and why they happen. When you've done that you'll see that the observations you made simply supported the point I was making. Confidence increases during an upcycle - duh!

Boom and bust. When I was at uni it was the great debate, and how to end it. I suppose that's where communism won - it was all bust....

And yet 100 years later the lemmings are lined up wanting more....

I don't, you assume I do, but I don't!

I do think we have to look after people, cos fit, healthy, happy people earn, spend and contribute! Not price them out of health care, homes, affordable public transport and disenfranchise them so they die, live on the streets, bum around and cost more to dispose of when they freeze to death on St. Stephen's Green (in Dublin).

Simples!

Trump used to be a Democrat. It may shock you but he’s not cancelling Social Security and other programs to help people.

In regards to yourself you believe in gun control and you believe in centralized control of healthcare.

Both of those items are on the Communist manifesto as a way to seize power.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on January 03, 2018, 03:08:34 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2018, 02:52:53 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 03, 2018, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2018, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 03, 2018, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: andrewfi on January 03, 2018, 12:23:12 PM
Bill, the reading thing, like the understanding thing, really helpful.

An economy has a myriad of 'indicators' but cherry picking stuff that you don't understand to make a point that fits your prejudices isn't very helpful. Try learning about what economic cycles are and why they happen. When you've done that you'll see that the observations you made simply supported the point I was making. Confidence increases during an upcycle - duh!

Boom and bust. When I was at uni it was the great debate, and how to end it. I suppose that's where communism won - it was all bust....

And yet 100 years later the lemmings are lined up wanting more....

I don't, you assume I do, but I don't!

I do think we have to look after people, cos fit, healthy, happy people earn, spend and contribute! Not price them out of health care, homes, affordable public transport and disenfranchise them so they die, live on the streets, bum around and cost more to dispose of when they freeze to death on St. Stephen's Green (in Dublin).

Simples!

Trump used to be a Democrat. It may shock you but he’s not cancelling Social Security and other programs to help people.

In regards to yourself you believe in gun control and you believe in centralized control of healthcare.

Both of those items are on the Communist manifesto as a way to seize power.

And so what?

Gun control leads to lower fatality rates from guns. Good thing, saving lives! It's not particularly interesting if its in the Communist Manifesto. Publicly funded health care has led to better health and increased life expancy in countries where it has happened. I think the future of health care will need to go beyond public ideologies; there's a place for private care. That's the next step forward, IMO. America is way behind by elevating a private pay system over a public system at all costs, even when, as a developed society, it should have been able to afford such. Well, you didn't, and that's fine, but now your chickens are roosting :o

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 03, 2018, 03:46:50 PM

Ste, boom/bust is waaaaay simplistic and really refers to just one cycle. There's more than one and their periodicity varies from a few months to several decades. Much of the complexity derives from the manner in which economic cycles impact upon each other. Moment of truth: any time any politician claims responsibility for a good economic effect you are hearing lies. The politician is taking credit for matters outside of her control and, on the whole, that applies to the politicians running central banks as well.

To get a handle on it one might consider audio signals and how different frequencies interfere with each other and cause resonances and, sometimes, unexpected effects. Economics is not as easy as audio but the pictures can look similar - which aids understanding.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 03, 2018, 05:37:24 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 03, 2018, 12:23:12 PM

Bill, the reading thing, like the understanding thing, really helpful.

An economy has a myriad of 'indicators' but cherry picking stuff that you don't understand to make a point that fits your prejudices isn't very helpful. Try learning about what economic cycles are and why they happen. When you've done that you'll see that the observations you made simply supported the point I was making. Confidence increases during an upcycle - duh!

I provided a link to a whole cornucopia of economic
metrics (at least 50) it's kind of boring to wade through
them, I don't have time to talk about each of them and
nobody here cares anyway.

At the one year point of a presidency it's more about about Consumer and business confidence.

Regarding business cycles, I understand them to the extent
they are understandable and 4 years of university study
can provide. There are so many factors that can affect them
that entire books (incredibly boring books) have been written
about it and it's still all considered theory.

If you disagree with something I said in a previous post feel
free to point it out.

Udachi!

Bill

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2018, 07:11:19 PM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2018, 07:17:26 PM

Quote from: Jerash on January 03, 2018, 03:08:34 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2018, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 03, 2018, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2018, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 03, 2018, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: andrewfi on January 03, 2018, 12:23:12 PM
Bill, the reading thing, like the understanding thing, really helpful.

An economy has a myriad of 'indicators' but cherry picking stuff that you don't understand to make a point that fits your prejudices isn't very helpful. Try learning about what economic cycles are and why they happen. When you've done that you'll see that the observations you made simply supported the point I was making. Confidence increases during an upcycle - duh!

Boom and bust. When I was at uni it was the great debate, and how to end it. I suppose that's where communism won - it was all bust....

And yet 100 years later the lemmings are lined up wanting more....

I don't, you assume I do, but I don't!

I do think we have to look after people, cos fit, healthy, happy people earn, spend and contribute! Not price them out of health care, homes, affordable public transport and disenfranchise them so they die, live on the streets, bum around and cost more to dispose of when they freeze to death on St. Stephen's Green (in Dublin).

Simples!

Trump used to be a Democrat. It may shock you but he’s not cancelling Social Security and other programs to help people.

In regards to yourself you believe in gun control and you believe in centralized control of healthcare.

Both of those items are on the Communist manifesto as a way to seize power.

And so what?

Gun control leads to lower fatality rates from guns. Good thing, saving lives! It's not particularly interesting if its in the Communist Manifesto. Publicly funded health care has led to better health and increased life expancy in countries where it has happened. I think the future of health care will need to go beyond public ideologies; there's a place for private care. That's the next step forward, IMO. America is way behind by elevating a private pay system over a public system at all costs, even when, as a developed society, it should have been able to afford such. Well, you didn't, and that's fine, but now your chickens are roosting :o

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor

BTW that’s some interesting propaganda you posted Jerash.

Especially fascinating since Russia is now turning to private healthcare and they are now starting to allow citizens to own firearms. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2018, 07:29:47 PM

Quote from: Jerash on January 03, 2018, 03:08:34 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2018, 02:52:53 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 03, 2018, 01:47:21 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 03, 2018, 01:26:11 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 03, 2018, 12:50:06 PM
Quote from: andrewfi on January 03, 2018, 12:23:12 PM
Bill, the reading thing, like the understanding thing, really helpful.

An economy has a myriad of 'indicators' but cherry picking stuff that you don't understand to make a point that fits your prejudices isn't very helpful. Try learning about what economic cycles are and why they happen. When you've done that you'll see that the observations you made simply supported the point I was making. Confidence increases during an upcycle - duh!

Boom and bust. When I was at uni it was the great debate, and how to end it. I suppose that's where communism won - it was all bust....

And yet 100 years later the lemmings are lined up wanting more....

I don't, you assume I do, but I don't!

I do think we have to look after people, cos fit, healthy, happy people earn, spend and contribute! Not price them out of health care, homes, affordable public transport and disenfranchise them so they die, live on the streets, bum around and cost more to dispose of when they freeze to death on St. Stephen's Green (in Dublin).

Simples!

Trump used to be a Democrat. It may shock you but he’s not cancelling Social Security and other programs to help people.

In regards to yourself you believe in gun control and you believe in centralized control of healthcare.

Both of those items are on the Communist manifesto as a way to seize power.

And so what?

And so what says the Lemming!

...one of the first Western Holodomor deniers was Walter Duranty, the winner of the 1932 Pulitzer prize in journalism in the category of correspondence, for his dispatches on Soviet Union and the working out of the Five Year Plan.[36] While the famine was raging, he wrote in the pages of The New York Times that "any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda", and that "there is no actual starvation or deaths from starvation, but there is widespread mortality from diseases due to malnutrition."[33]

Duranty was well aware of the famine. He said in private to Eugene Lyons and reported to the British Embassy that the population of Ukraine and Lower Volga had "decreased" by six to seven million.[37] However, in his reports, Duranty downplayed the impact of food shortages in Ukraine. As Duranty wrote in a dispatch from Moscow in March 1933, "Conditions are bad, but there is no famine... But—to put it brutally—you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs."[38]

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 04, 2018, 02:04:23 AM

Bill, what are you struggling to say other than you agree with my point, albeit unwillingly?

Just be honest with yourself, understand that you are prejudiced in several, if not many, aspects of life and get on with that life as best you can. No need to invent that which clearly does not exist.

Simply put: if your knowledge was as you claim then you'd not have made the silly statements you made in your posts above.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 04, 2018, 04:23:58 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 01, 2018, 08:49:58 AM

'Boys' ... let's put Rosco's 'riposte' in proper perspective

Quote from: rosco on January 01, 2018, 06:09:09 AM
let’s not let fact get in the way of a good narrative eh?

Facts like the US economy that tanked with most in 2007/8 was already recovering BEFORE 'Tramp' was elected

Quote from: rosco on January 01, 2018, 06:09:09 AM
Boys, you should know by now that Ste is similar to his pal Moby, in that you will never changed their opinion with fact.

1/ Ste is a died-in-the-wool Labour Party supporter and I've only ever voted Tory - when voting - oops Rosco's 'bubble' is burst from the get go ..the FACT is the likes of Rosco simply repeat bollox about my political viewpoint

Quote from: rosco on January 01, 2018, 06:09:09 AM

2/They pick a team, usually the opposite from the majority then die fighting.

'They'? Can't speak for Ste, but I don't feel the need of a tag team to mock some daft assertions on here.

Quote from: rosco on January 01, 2018, 06:09:09 AM
Sorry Ste but you convey how open minded and well read you are compared with the average Trump supporter and then in the same paragraph instantly prove you’re not.

:chuckle: Mr 'open-minded' himself - casting judgement ? No wonder you need 'moderation' protection from your historical howlers

Quote from: rosco on January 01, 2018, 06:09:09 AM
I agree there almost always is a ying/yang effect and that includes Trump. All the good stuff he’s done economically can be countered by the embarrassing behaviour he displays regularly.

Except it is not so difficult to suggest he inherited an improving situation ? Something most western nations are ...save for lemming-like jumping off a cliff UK

Just what are you wittering on about now wee man? :chuckle:

- Me coupling you and Ste, was about your opinions not being changed by fact. Nothing about political party followings was mentioned so I assume you're either a moron or mental? I'm still undecided.

- Moderation protection from historical howlers? :chuckle: Jesus mate - you're absolutely feckin nuts.

- It appears following recent reports, the Uk isn't in too bad a place after all, unless you're a deluded remoaner clinging to manipulated stats or hollow promises of future doom and gloom, based on absolutely nothing but salty tears.

:dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 04, 2018, 05:39:24 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 04, 2018, 04:23:58 AM

Just what are you wittering on about now wee man? :chuckle:

Ah, more ramblings... I note you haven't dealt with the not so little issue of my being factually correct and truthful in all I posted..

May be your 'man flu' is to blame ?

Hope you feel better, soon

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2018, 08:32:05 AM

“China has the most advanced steel plant which takes in raw and recycled materials on one end, and ships finished product cut and shaped to size from the other. ... We have shuttered foundries and crippled mills thanks to excess taxation and regulation.

China has the largest volume of greenhouse farming and rainwater collection systems producing massive amounts of fully organic fruits and vegetables. ... We have the EPA, FDA and DEP that prohibits collection of rainwater and promotes the production of chemically polluted GE/GMO food and laying waste to the land for the insanity of ethanol.

China has the largest volume of domestic manufacturing in the world. ... We have hideously stupid Government regulation and taxation that has reduced our manufacturing base to ruins.

China has the most advanced UHV power transmission system in the world. ... We have the DEP and EPA that prohibit maintenance and upgrades of our electric grid.

China has more than 30 state of the art nuclear power plants under construction. ... We have the EPA shutting down more than a third of our power plants and mandating inefficient and ineffective N-gas plants be built at massive costs and insane levels of waste.

China has the most advanced aqua-farms in the world. ... We have the DEP and EPA that prohibit aqua-farming forcing the US to import 96% of its farmed aqauculture from China.

When are WE THE PEOPLE going to stop electing politicians hell bent on destroying our country?”
quote from Mark K. Facebook

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2018, 11:02:10 AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/business/wp/2018/01/04/the-dow-jones-industrial-average-tops-25000-for-first-time-continuing-its-history-making-rise/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 04, 2018, 12:52:12 PM

No-one mentioning 'the book'? Fake news? Non-story?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 04, 2018, 02:32:04 PM

Years ago I visited the Baosteel plant in Shanghai. Very impressive place in terms of both output (lots!) but also their environmental attitude. They were very proud of their local environment and, the immediate surroundings of the plant were very green, beautiful and very well maintained.

One would not believe that a steel mill could be so pleasant. Of course, the rolling mill and furnaces were hot as hell but huge and, to these inexpert eyes, clean.

The company has expanded its green credentials since then and, I am certain, they are part of a movement that understands its place in the development of China and its environmental responsibility. It is possible to be both effective, efficient and environmentally responsible, but it does seem to be a stage of development issue.

I am sure that the U.S can do as China, Finland and other advanced societies do and manage environment without destroying business and industry.

=======================

Oh, Bannon's book, or at least the book authored on his behalf, seems to be, from what we know, to be a hagiography designed as an opening salvo in a bid for the Republican nomination of Bannon at the next presidential election. As such, I am sure that it is a mixture of fact and fiction designed to serve Bannon's political purposes. Trump is not foolish enough to attempt to get a C&D on the thing unless there were genuine grounds to do so - he'd not want to give Bannon air time without good reason.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2018, 04:03:07 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 04, 2018, 12:52:12 PM

No-one mentioning 'the book'? Fake news? Non-story?

Trump believes Bannon cost the Republican party a Senator in Alabama and he’s probably right.

Trumps lawyer trying to get a cease and desist.

Go to Trumps twitter feed to read his words on Bannon directly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 04, 2018, 05:35:26 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 04, 2018, 02:04:23 AM

Bill, what are you struggling to say other than you agree with my point, albeit unwillingly?

Just be honest with yourself, understand that you are prejudiced in several, if not many, aspects of life and get on with that life as best you can. No need to invent that which clearly does not exist.

Simply put: if your knowledge was as you claim then you'd not have made the silly statements you made in your posts above.

You have said more than once, when I (or others) don't
know what you are referring to that I (or others) should
ask. So....

I'm not sure on what we disagree on, except possibly that
you think I am dishonest and/or silly (regarding this) I am
plenty silly at all sorts of other things.

I'm not sure what you think that I invented.

Am I biased? Sure, I am. Is that dishonest? Not in my
opinion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 04, 2018, 08:39:27 PM

The Clinton foundation, and Hillary's emails are under new investigations. 2018 is going to be interesting!

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/367541-fbi-launches-new-clinton-foundation-investigation%3famp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 05, 2018, 02:32:03 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 04, 2018, 12:52:12 PM

No-one mentioning 'the book'? Fake news? Non-story?

:

Only 'desperate liberals' would mention this book as it is written by a 'loony, sacked, former member of Trump's team'.....
:laugh

The fact that many of 'Trump's team' are BEING sacked or 'resigning' says nothing at ALL about Trump...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 05, 2018, 07:15:52 AM

Trumps doing just about 100% wrong with this book thing, he should have just totally ignored it, instead now he’s gone to Matron crying everybody wants to read it.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 05, 2018, 07:59:49 AM

As those who know something know, it is and always has been, the management style of Trump to run a team that has a changing roster.
Like actors on a stage the members play their part and then exit; usually with a flourish and round of applause.

Bannon does rather seem to be preparing to upstage and replace his former boss which goes to explain why Team Trump has chosen to not ignore the publication of the book because they are well aware that a lie unchallenged tends to become accepted as truth by many people. The acceptance can come from a desire by some to denigrate the target of lies or due to laziness - neither is good when the target is trying to run the most powerful country in the world.

I am certain that Team Trump's legal team would not be seeking redress for matters that were not clearly wrong. The problem is, of course, that there is a price to pay in that it does give the oxygen of publicity to the creator of the lies but that's a calculation that the team needed to make.

On the one hand to allow lies to become truth, or on the other, to attempt removal of the rival and his lies while giving media access to that potential rival. There's probably not a single correct solution to that dilemma, ever.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 05, 2018, 12:09:12 PM

The author of the Trump book does not know how much is even true.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2018/01/05/trump-book-author-michael-wolff-made-a-damaging-admission-on-the-today-show/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 05, 2018, 12:22:34 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 05, 2018, 07:15:52 AM

Trumps doing just about 100% wrong with this book thing, he should have just totally ignored it, instead now he’s gone to Matron crying everybody wants to read it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2018, 03:06:40 PM

British "spy" under investigation by US Congress.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-senators-raise-possible-charges-against-author-of-trump-dossier/ar-BBHUYVz?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 05, 2018, 07:16:17 PM

This is the link I intended on posting. Would seem that it's just more made up crap to try and discredit President Trump.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/01/05/michael-wolff-says-he-cant-be-sure-if-parts-of-explosive-trump-book-are-true/23324888/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 05, 2018, 07:28:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 05, 2018, 03:06:40 PM

British "spy" under investigation by US Congress.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-senators-raise-possible-charges-against-author-of-trump-dossier/ar-BBHUYVz?li=BBnb7Kz

When will the government place sanctions on those election meddling Britts? This was clearly an attempt by the British government to discredit Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 05, 2018, 08:35:33 PM

Judicial watch video explains some of what was uncovered, and why the Hillary's emails are getting another look.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 05, 2018, 10:25:54 PM

And now, for an update on the North Korea situation, abridged version:

KJU: "I have a nuke button."

Liberals: ". . ."

Trump: "Use it, and that's a paddlin'. BTW, I have a bigger nuke button, and mine actually works."

Liberals: "OHMYGERD!!! I'm TRIGGERD!!!! TRUMP TRIGGERED MEEEEE!!! HE MUST HAVE THE SMALLEST PEEN EVER!!!! SKREEEEE!!! SKREEEEE!!! SKREEEEE!!!"

KJU [Using his "Indoor Voice"]: "Hey, South Korea? You know you have offered to have peace talks with us and we've blown you off for two years? Um...could we meet on Tuesday?"

Trump: ????

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 06, 2018, 05:41:14 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 05, 2018, 12:22:34 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 05, 2018, 07:15:52 AM
Trumps doing just about 100% wrong with this book thing, he should have just totally ignored it, instead now he’s gone to Matron crying everybody wants to read it.

+1

It’s impossible to handle it well and satisfy everyone.

If the books full of lies, there will be people asking why he didn’t challenge or stop the publication. If the books full of lies and he challenges it, there will be people saying he’s trying to hide the truth.

If Trump goes legal and gets the author to admit fabrication a few months or years down the line, it’s too late anyway. Just like the Russians & the various sexual allegations, the mud has stuck and the book did what was intended.

It’s a dirty game in the land of the free.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 06, 2018, 08:13:18 AM

bb, nice fantasy but what you are seeing is the outcome of a lot of work that specifically excluded the United States. The United States is not a part of the process except in so far as South Korea has insisted upon limiting deployment of U.S missile batteries in the country and the U.S will not be running planned military exercises over the period of the Winter Olympics.

What seems to be happening is that the U.S is being forced to accept the suggestions from Russia and China to limit U.S aggressive actions in the region as a way to enable the DPRK to be able to negotiate with the U.S. While it seems that matters are improving with regard to South Korea we so not yet know if the U.S is going to find itself able to reduce its bellicosity and start talking.

The Russians have been working on North Korea and the Chinese playing to their strengths in the south to attain the current position.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 06, 2018, 09:31:07 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 06, 2018, 08:13:18 AM

What seems to be happening is that the U.S is being forced to accept the suggestions from Russia and China to limit U.S aggressive actions in the region as a way to enable the DPRK to be able to negotiate with the U.S. While it seems that matters are improving with regard to South Korea we so not yet know if the U.S is going to find itself able to reduce its bellicosity and start talking.

The Russians have been working on North Korea and the Chinese playing to their strengths in the south to attain the current position.

To the contrary, the limitations on the United States are entirely in relation to our allies in the region. If KJU deploys a nuke or nukes against the United States, his life expectancy drops to 15 minutes.

The problem that US has w/r/t NoKo is geographical. Conventional NKA artillery can shell Seoul on any given day. NoKo missiles could, if they worked, hit Japan. Hopefully KJU had some understanding of Trump's nature, i.e., Trump is an authoritarian, thus any missile strike on the US would result in massive retaliation.

NoKo also has a problem in that the Chinese are not particularly amused by KJU's antics. The Chinese ~~media~~ government has already signaled that, if KJU attacks the US or its allies first, then they ~~might~~ will not defend him.

Also, the problem is not "US bellicosity"; the US would be happy to ignore the NoKos, and maintain a policy of "He's China's problem, let them handle it." If, however, China cannot or will not, then, well, hopefully he does not do something regrettable.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2018, 09:56:27 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 06, 2018, 08:13:18 AM

bb, nice fantasy but what you are seeing is the outcome of a lot of work that specifically excluded the United States. The United States is not a part of the process except in so far as South Korea has insisted upon limiting deployment of U.S missile batteries in the country and the U.S will not be running planned military exercises over the period of the Winter Olympics.

What seems to be happening is that the U.S is being forced to accept the suggestions from Russia and China to limit U.S aggressive actions in the region as a way to enable the DPRK to be able to negotiate with the U.S. While it seems that matters are improving with regard to South Korea we so not yet know if the U.S is going to find itself able to reduce its bellicosity and start talking.

The Russians have been working on North Korea and the Chinese playing to their strengths in the south to attain the current position.

Your entire post reads like it was written for you by a “minister of information”.

Either way it’s BS. Any war would be regrettable however what B/B just wrote is correct. Our forces are already in South Korea and other key areas in the region. The objective is total annihilation of No. Korea’s Communist regime and liberation for its people as well as re-unification with the South.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 06, 2018, 10:09:11 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2018, 09:56:27 AM

The objective is total annihilation of No. Korea’s Communist regime and liberation for its people as well as re-unification with the South.

That's a fantasy that won't happen unless China and Russia support it - and they won't.

Lets recap what was actually established some time back:

If NK strikes the US first, they'll get retaliation and no support from China. So they won't.

If the US attacks NK, China has already said they will prevent that. The US has no hope against NK and China and possibly Russia, so that isnt happening either. Trump's ego wouldn't take the US losing another war.

So nobody will do anything unless supported and brokered by China and Russia. And they wont do anything much that involves the US unless it is demonstrably reducing US aggression. The ongoing objective here is to reduce US influence and aggression. And its working. For all Trump's bellyaching, he has done nothing, because he knows he can't. Shouty tweets full of misspelled and made up words and name calling causes humour with adult countries.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2018, 10:17:21 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 06, 2018, 10:09:11 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 06, 2018, 09:56:27 AM
The objective is total annihilation of No. Korea’s Communist regime and liberation for its people as well as re-unification with the South.

That's a fantasy that won't happen unless China and Russia support it - and they won't.

Lets recap what was actually established some time back:

If NK strikes the US first, they'll get retaliation and no support from China. So they won't.

If the US attacks NK, China has already said they will prevent that. The US has no hope against NK and China and possibly Russia, so that isnt happening either. Trump's ego wouldn't take the US losing another war.

So nobody will do anything unless supported and brokered by China and Russia. And they wont do anything much that involves the US unless it is demonstrably reducing US aggression. The ongoing objective here is to reduce US influence and aggression. And its working. For all Trump's bellyaching, he has done nothing, because he knows he can't.

Trump is more or less a figurehead as it pertains to foreign policy. If No. Korea attacks S. Korea or attempts to attack the USA there will be an overwhelming response from US forces.

China’s number one goal is economic and they’re not about to attack their number one export market. You conveniently left that out.

As for Russia it’s more likely that a China and US coalition will relieve Russia of large chunks of geography. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 06, 2018, 10:57:40 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 06, 2018, 10:09:11 AM

If NK strikes the US first, they'll get retaliation and no support from China. So they won't.

Well, let's hope.

Quote from: Manny on January 06, 2018, 10:09:11 AM

If the US attacks NK, China has already said they will prevent that. The US has no hope against NK and China and possibly Russia, so that isnt happening either.

Prevent what? If the US wants NoKo gone, they are GONE. That said, we would be perfectly happy if KJU could simply leave US allies in the region be....

Quote from: Manny on January 06, 2018, 10:09:11 AM

Trump's ego wouldn't take the US losing another war.

Meanwhile, Saddam Hussein could not be reached for comment....

Quote from: Manny on January 06, 2018, 10:09:11 AM

So nobody will do anything unless supported and brokered by China and Russia. And they wont do anything much that involves the US unless it is demonstrably reducing US aggression.

You seem to be unclear as the the problem is, in the region.

Quote from: Manny on January 06, 2018, 10:09:11 AM

The ongoing objective here is to reduce US influence and aggression. And its working.

What US aggression? KJU stops pestering SoKo and Japan, and we go back to ignoring him. As far as we are concerned, he's China's problem.

Quote from: Manny on January 06, 2018, 10:09:11 AM

For all Trump's bellyaching, he has done nothing, because he knows he can't. Shouty tweets full of misspelled and made up words and name calling causes humour with adult countries.

Adult countries that stupidly let in a bunch of Mohammads, and now wring their hands whilst their children are raped and murdered by adherents of the "Religion of Special Needs". But hey, if that's what you want, fine. Just keep that shit over there.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 06, 2018, 11:04:23 AM

Manny is about right.

It is worth remembering, for those of an American disposition, that Korea is rather a long way from and borders onto Russia and China. Both those countries have close ties with both parts of Korea and what is happening, right now, is that South Korea is coming to the conclusion that they are closer to China than the U.S and that Korean interests are well served by acknowledging and maintaining that closeness, not only geographically but also politically and commercially.

And no, there's nothing for the U.S to do militarily in Korea, either in North or South that is constructive.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 06, 2018, 11:20:07 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 05, 2018, 12:22:34 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 05, 2018, 07:15:52 AM
Trumps doing just about 100% wrong with this book thing, he should have just totally ignored it, instead now he’s gone to Matron crying everybody wants to read it.

+1

The media weren't going to ignore the book. They were going to make
a HUGE deal out of it. Trump didn't get down in the weeds arguing
details, Shakey belongs to the Bush/Dole/McCain/Romney wing of
the party. That doesn't fight back and lets the media win every time.

We call that wing the losers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2018, 11:41:22 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on January 06, 2018, 11:20:07 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 05, 2018, 12:22:34 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 05, 2018, 07:15:52 AM
Trumps doing just about 100% wrong with this book thing, he should have just totally ignored it, instead now he’s gone to Matron crying everybody wants to read it.

+1

The media weren't going to ignore the book. They were going to make
a HUGE deal out of it. Trump didn't get down in the weeds arguing
details, Shakey belongs to the Bush/Dole/McCain/Romney wing of
the party. That doesn't fight back and lets the media win every time.

We call that wing the losers.

Ouch! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 06, 2018, 12:30:41 PM

Trumton is behaving like the proverbial cornered rat, we're all pissing ourselves over here.

Must. Resist. Joining. In. The. Shoeing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2018, 03:42:19 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 06, 2018, 12:30:41 PM

Trumton is behaving like the proverbial cornered rat, we're all pissing ourselves over here.

Must. Resist. Joining. In. The. Shoeing.

You’re pissing yourself but that’s all.

I’ll wager you a friendly $20 usd that Trump completes his term.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 06, 2018, 04:15:14 PM

Black unemployment at historic low !

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/06/576216793/president-trump-so-happy-black-unemployment-rate-at-a-historic-low

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 06, 2018, 04:41:40 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 06, 2018, 11:04:23 AM

It is worth remembering, for those of an American disposition, that Korea is rather a long way from and borders onto Russia and China. Both those countries have close ties with both parts of Korea and what is happening, right now, is that South Korea is coming to the conclusion that they are closer to China than the U.S and that Korean interests are well served by acknowledging and maintaining that closeness, not only geographically but also politically and commercially.

Wow. The delusion of the European Leftoid, in full bloom.

First, South Korea only exists because of the United States. It's continued existence is dependent upon the United States.

Second, if the SoKos want us gone, all they need do is ask. but.....

Third, anyone who thinks that the SoKos look at the Happy, Prosperous Workers' Paradise that is North Korea and think, "Boy, how great would it be if we could get starved, raped, beaten and killed like the NoKos! That would be AWESOME!" needs to dial "1-800-GETOFFDRUGS" immediately.

Quote from: andrewfi on January 06, 2018, 11:04:23 AM

And no, there's nothing for the U.S to do militarily in Korea, either in North or South that is constructive.

Other than keep the SoKos from becoming KJUs footstools. Not everyone has some bizarre, masochistic fantasies that evidently plague Western Europe....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2018, 05:01:57 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 06, 2018, 04:41:40 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 06, 2018, 11:04:23 AM
It is worth remembering, for those of an American disposition, that Korea is rather a long way from and borders onto Russia and China. Both those countries have close ties with both parts of Korea and what is happening, right now, is that South Korea is coming to the conclusion that they are closer to China than the U.S and that Korean interests are well served by acknowledging and maintaining that closeness, not only geographically but also politically and commercially.

Wow. The delusion of the European Leftoid, in full bloom.

First, South Korea only exists because of the United States. It's continued existence is dependent upon the United States.

Second, if the SoKos want us gone, all they need do is ask. but.....

Third, anyone who thinks that the SoKos look at the Happy, Prosperous Workers' Paradise that is North Korea and think, "Boy, how great would it be if we could get starved, raped, beaten and killed like the NoKos! That would be AWESOME!" needs to dial "1-800-GETOFFDRUGS" immediately.

Quote from: andrewfi on January 06, 2018, 11:04:23 AM
And no, there's nothing for the U.S to do militarily in Korea, either in North or South that is constructive.

Other than keep the SoKos from becoming KJUs footstools. Not everyone has some bizarre, masochistic fantasies that evidently plague Western Europe....

B/B

Bbbbbut Western Europe has the adults!

The adults who made a deal w/ the Devil,

and now watch their sons and daughters raped and murdered. :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 06, 2018, 05:17:54 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 06, 2018, 12:30:41 PM

Trumton is behaving like the proverbial cornered rat, we're all pissing ourselves over here.

Must. Resist. Joining. In. The. Shoeing.

Ahhh....the presumptuous we! As in we all think Brexit is bad. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2018, 08:47:54 PM

Watch to the end of this video to understand Trump. :chuckle:

Scott Baio sets record straight on Trump's Christmas party.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5704169279001/?#sp=show-clips

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 06, 2018, 11:37:44 PM

Quote from: rosco on January 06, 2018, 05:17:54 PM

Ahhh....the presumptuous we! As in we all think Brexit is bad. :coffeeread:

As opposed to 'we' who can't admit it is and the bleeding obvious consequences ?

Again, you may be saved by a kind mod

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 06, 2018, 04:41:40 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 06, 2018, 11:04:23 AM
It is worth remembering, for those of an American disposition, that Korea is rather a long way from and borders onto Russia and China. Both those countries have close ties with both parts of Korea and what is happening, right now, is that South Korea is coming to the conclusion that they are closer to China than the U.S and that Korean interests are well served by acknowledging and maintaining that closeness, not only geographically but also politically and commercially.

Wow. The delusion of the European Leftoid, in full bloom.

First, South Korea only exists because of the United States. It's continued existence is dependent upon the United States.

Second, if the SoKos want us gone, all they need do is ask. but.....

Third, anyone who thinks that the SoKos look at the Happy, Prosperous Workers' Paradise that is North Korea and think, "Boy, how great would it be if we could get starved, raped, beaten and killed like the NoKos! That would be AWESOME!" needs to dial "1-800-GETOFFDRUGS" immediately.

Quote from: andrewfi on January 06, 2018, 11:04:23 AM
And no, there's nothing for the U.S to do militarily in Korea, either in North or South that is constructive.

Other than keep the SoKos from becoming KJUs footstools. Not everyone has some bizarre, masochistic fantasies that evidently plague Western Europe....

B/B

Second, if the SoKos want us gone, all they need do is ask. but.....

Everyone wants you gone! Your like a Cuckoo in everyones homes... every where there is a US airbase, every where there are US soldiers (Except Russia they don't stand for the shit) You make problems all over the world , so that problem turns into a problem enough of an excuse to stick your nose in ...

I wish everyone on this continent would get along with each other as good neighbours and tell you to get your asses of this continent..

Can you imagine if that happened? You would just be some fools stuck on a big Island out in the Atlantic , you realise this though :)) hence the need to stir up trouble every where to make sure it can never happen!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 07, 2018, 10:54:13 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 06, 2018, 12:30:41 PM

Trumton is behaving like the proverbial cornered rat, we're all pissing ourselves over here.

Meanwhile, the average American doesn't even care who the Prime
minister of __________________ is. (List European nation here)

Title: Re: President Trump - Genius...
Post by: Ste on January 07, 2018, 11:05:10 AM

I'm sure he'll work it out eventually.....

(http://s5.postimg.org/i1zlg04yv/26169457_2209837162360583_4325872243931140778_n.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 07, 2018, 11:45:45 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on January 07, 2018, 10:54:13 AM

Meanwhile, the average American doesn't even care who the Prime
minister of __________________ is. (List European nation here)

Sadly, in this context, you'd seem to think that this deficit is somehow OK? Possibly even a good thing, rather than something of which to be ashamed?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 07, 2018, 12:17:12 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 07, 2018, 11:45:45 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on January 07, 2018, 10:54:13 AM

Meanwhile, the average American doesn't even care who the Prime
minister of __________________ is. (List European nation here)

Sadly, in this context, you'd seem to think that this deficit is somehow OK? Possibly even a good thing, rather than something of which to be ashamed?

Doesn't take much does it - I was in the car listening to the radio and this programme was on about Irish Taoisigh over the years and while I've almost zero interest in Irish internal politics a lot of it sunk in - Bertie Ahern, Eamoń de Valera, John Constello, you can't help but absorb it.

Out of that now I'm reading up on it, and I'm still not really that interested...

Title: Re: President Trump - Genius...
Post by: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 12:44:55 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 07, 2018, 11:05:10 AM

I'm sure he'll work it out eventually.....

(http://s5.postimg.org/i1zlg04yv/26169457_2209837162360583_4325872243931140778_n.jpg)

He's just acting stupid for some fun! He has a billion $ in his pocket though and a wife half the age of most people, so who are the stupid ones ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 12:52:34 PM

Remember this guy? They took the piss out of him and thought he was a moron.. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 07, 2018, 12:54:39 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 07, 2018, 12:17:12 PM

I've almost zero interest in Irish internal politics a lot of it sunk in - Bertie Ahern, Eamoń de Valera, John Constello, you can't help but absorb it.

Out of that now I'm reading up on it, and I'm still not really that interested...

Clearly, you forgot the'Tramp' of his generation .. Charles Haughey... history remembers him 'well' - like it will the modern equiv in the USA..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Haughey (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Haughey)

Title: Re: President Trump - Genius...
Post by: Ste on January 07, 2018, 01:00:46 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 12:44:55 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 07, 2018, 11:05:10 AM
I'm sure he'll work it out eventually.....

(http://s5.postimg.org/i1zlg04yv/26169457_2209837162360583_4325872243931140778_n.jpg)

He's just acting stupid for some fun! He has his dad's billion $ in his pocket though and therefore can attract a wife half the age of most people, so who are the stupid ones ?

FTFY

Title: Re: President Trump - Genius...
Post by: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 01:21:09 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 07, 2018, 01:00:46 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 12:44:55 PM
Quote from: Ste on January 07, 2018, 11:05:10 AM
I'm sure he'll work it out eventually.....

(http://s5.postimg.org/i1zlg04yv/26169457_2209837162360583_4325872243931140778_n.jpg)

He's just acting stupid for some fun! He has his dad's billion $ in his pocket though and therefore can attract a wife half the age of most people, so who are the stupid ones ?

FTFY

Well some $ might of been his old mans.. ;D But still most people are probably just envious of him a little, he doesn't have to put a fake smile on to everyone to keep the powers above happy and can say what he wants..who wants to walk about all their life with a fake smile on their face and to scared to open their mouth..

I dont understand why people dong leave the man alone, he's doing the presidency for free!

Good man Mr Trump keep up the good work :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump - Genius...
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2018, 02:27:05 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 07, 2018, 11:05:10 AM

I'm sure he'll work it out eventually.....

(http://s5.postimg.org/i1zlg04yv/26169457_2209837162360583_4325872243931140778_n.jpg)

Will you be keeping up your OCD until January 2025?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 07, 2018, 03:05:28 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 07, 2018, 11:45:45 AM

Sadly, in this context, you'd seem to think that this deficit is somehow OK? Possibly even a good thing, rather than something of which to be ashamed?

That we don't care about your internal politics?

Curious? yes, I am curious about UK and Brexit, and various things, but
do I care if Sweden elects a Greeny socialist and they outlaw toilet paper
saying you must use your fingers instead? Nope, I just knock Sweden off
any future travel plans.

Am I curious if Italy decides to elect a transgender ex NBA basketball
player who wears pantless chaps while running their country, sure I
am. Do I care? Not at all and I sure as hell don't get on a forum and
agonize about it. Italy, The UK, Germany and the USA are able to
govern themselves, if they make a mistake, I figure they will correct
it next time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 07, 2018, 03:06:15 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM

Second, if the SoKos want us gone, all they need do is ask. but.....

Everyone wants you gone!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! If only. We tried that once, after 1918. Didn't work out. Within a generation we were up to our elbows in alligators again.

And do you think we WANT to be there? It's just every time we leave you Europeans without Adult Supervision you produce homicidal dictators that start World Wars and murder tens of millions.

It's more convenient for the US and Canada to keep an eye on you.

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM

I wish everyone on this continent would get along with each other as good neighbours and tell you to get your asses of this continent..

And the fact that you can't is pretty telling....

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM

Can you imagine if that happened? You would just be some fools stuck on a big Island out in the Atlantic

LOL. As opposed to fools stuck on a tiny island off the northwest coast of Europe who have only maintained a veneer of relevance because they share a language with the United States, etc.? *cough-cough*

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM

hence the need to stir up trouble every where to make sure it can never happen!

Yes, yes, like Yugoslavia, where we were invited to butt out (and happily did) by EU High Poobah for Yugoslavia Jacques Poos. We were, of course, invited to butt right back in again once it was determined that Europe - once again - couldn't get its shit straight.

We leave, and the wolf will be at the door before you know it. Sadly, you've elected to import wolves - and insane child rapers - from Greater Jihadistan. Good luck with that...it was nice knowing you guys.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2018, 03:19:24 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on January 07, 2018, 03:05:28 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 07, 2018, 11:45:45 AM
Sadly, in this context, you'd seem to think that this deficit is somehow OK? Possibly even a good thing, rather than something of which to be ashamed?

That we don't care about your internal politics?

Curious? yes, I am curious about UK and Brexit, and various things, but
do I care if Sweden elects a Greeny socialist and they outlaw toilet paper
saying you must use your fingers instead? Nope, I just knock Sweden off
any future travel plans.

Am I curious if Italy decides to elect a transgender ex NBA basketball
player who wears pantless chaps while running their country, sure I
am. Do I care? Not at all and I sure as hell don't get on a forum and
agonize about it. Italy, The UK, Germany and the USA are able to
govern themselves, if they make a mistake, I figure they will correct
it next time.

There isn’t going to be a “next time” for Sweden or France. Germany and the U.K. are on the cusp. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 07, 2018, 10:51:10 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 07, 2018, 03:19:24 PM

There isn’t going to be a “next time” for Sweden or France. Germany and the U.K. are on the cusp. :coffeeread:

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

Actually, the "Next Time" for Sweden will be as "The Islamic Republic of Sweden"....they will not go out with a "bang" but with an "Allahu Akbar!"

And so the West...or at least Western Europe....makes an elegant swan dive into the pavement...

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2018, 11:38:35 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 07, 2018, 10:51:10 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 07, 2018, 03:19:24 PM
There isn’t going to be a “next time” for Sweden or France. Germany and the U.K. are on the cusp. :coffeeread:

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

Actually, the "Next Time" for Sweden will be as "The Islamic Republic of Sweden"....they will not go out with a "bang" but with an "Allahu Akbar!"

And so the West...or at least Western Europe....makes an elegant swan dive into the pavement...

B/B

In our lifetimes I believe there will be civil war in much of Europe.

How Sweden and a few others turn out will be fascinating. I mean do any of them still have any Viking blood or not?

Will it become “Balkanized”? That seems a probable outcome.

Title: Re: President Trump - Genius...
Post by: Markje on January 08, 2018, 03:10:58 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 07, 2018, 01:00:46 PM

He's just acting stupid for some fun! He has his dad's billion $ in his pocket though and therefore can attract a wife half the age of most people, so who are the stupid ones ?

How does this myth stay alive? It was his fathers millions, but Trump turned them into Billions .... that means even if he failed here and there, overall he is a fantastic businessman with huge success.

Title: Re: President Trump - Genius...
Post by: rosco on January 08, 2018, 03:34:20 AM

Quote from: Markje on January 08, 2018, 03:10:58 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 07, 2018, 01:00:46 PM

He's just acting stupid for some fun! He has his dad's billion $ in his pocket though and therefore can attract a wife half the age of most people, so who are the stupid ones ?

How does this myth stay alive? It was his fathers millions, but Trump turned them into Billions .... that means even if he failed here and there, overall he is a fantastic businessman with huge success.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good narrative.

Title: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 08, 2018, 05:17:34 AM

The figures are out there, take the an average and you can see he’d have made more just putting the money he inherited into an index fund.

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 05:23:00 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 07, 2018, 11:38:35 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 07, 2018, 10:51:10 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 07, 2018, 03:19:24 PM
There isn’t going to be a “next time” for Sweden or France. Germany and the U.K. are on the cusp. :coffeeread:

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

Actually, the "Next Time" for Sweden will be as "The Islamic Republic of Sweden"....they will not go out with a "bang" but with an "Allahu Akbar!"

And so the West...or at least Western Europe....makes an elegant swan dive into the pavement...

B/B

In our lifetimes I believe there will be civil war in much of Europe.

How Sweden and a few others turn out will be fascinating. I mean do any of them still have any Viking blood or not?

Will it become “Balkanized”? That seems a probable outcome.

It is no worries for me if civil war comes to Europe.. I will leave the wife here in Russia to keep the business going whilst I go to Western Europe for a little time to help out.. And I will not be taking orders from some jerk I will do my own think, kind of like multiple assassinations. Actually we are in Moscow next month Im already booked for training with a Kalashnikov ..

Think Im joking ? try looking under my bed.. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 05:29:54 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 07, 2018, 03:06:15 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Second, if the SoKos want us gone, all they need do is ask. but.....

Everyone wants you gone!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! If only. We tried that once, after 1918. Didn't work out. Within a generation we were up to our elbows in alligators again.

And do you think we WANT to be there? It's just every time we leave you Europeans without Adult Supervision you produce homicidal dictators that start World Wars and murder tens of millions.

It's more convenient for the US and Canada to keep an eye on you.

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
I wish everyone on this continent would get along with each other as good neighbours and tell you to get your asses of this continent..

And the fact that you can't is pretty telling....

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Can you imagine if that happened? You would just be some fools stuck on a big Island out in the Atlantic

LOL. As opposed to fools stuck on a tiny island off the northwest coast of Europe who have only maintained a veneer of relevance because they share a language with the United States, etc.? *cough-cough*

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
hence the need to stir up trouble every where to make sure it can never happen!

Yes, yes, like Yugoslavia, where we were invited to butt out (and happily did) by EU High Poobah for Yugoslavia Jacques Poos. We were, of course, invited to butt right back in again once it was determined that Europe - once again - couldn't get its shit straight.

We leave, and the wolf will be at the door before you know it. Sadly, you've elected to import wolves - and insane child rapers - from Greater Jihadistan. Good luck with that...it was nice knowing you guys.

B/B

Listen here matey!!

If I had my own way I would be steaming towards the US as we speak with Her Majesty's fleet to do what we should of done back in 1775 at Lexington Green !! Whipped your god dam Yankees asses!!

And if you happen to of been there I would of personally made sure you were Keel Hauled !! :smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 08:16:26 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 07, 2018, 03:06:15 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Second, if the SoKos want us gone, all they need do is ask. but.....

Everyone wants you gone!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! If only. We tried that once, after 1918. Didn't work out. Within a generation we were up to our elbows in alligators again.

And do you think we WANT to be there? It's just every time we leave you Europeans without Adult Supervision you produce homicidal dictators that start World Wars and murder tens of millions.

It's more convenient for the US and Canada to keep an eye on you.

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
I wish everyone on this continent would get along with each other as good neighbours and tell you to get your asses of this continent..

And the fact that you can't is pretty telling....

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Can you imagine if that happened? You would just be some fools stuck on a big Island out in the Atlantic

LOL. As opposed to fools stuck on a tiny island off the northwest coast of Europe who have only maintained a veneer of relevance because they share a language with the United States, etc.? *cough-cough*

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
hence the need to stir up trouble every where to make sure it can never happen!

Yes, yes, like Yugoslavia, where we were invited to butt out (and happily did) by EU High Poobah for Yugoslavia Jacques Poos. We were, of course, invited to butt right back in again once it was determined that Europe - once again - couldn't get its shit straight.

We leave, and the wolf will be at the door before you know it. Sadly, you've elected to import wolves - and insane child rapers - from Greater Jihadistan. Good luck with that...it was nice knowing you guys.

B/B

More FAKE news!! They even made fake news up in 1775 :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 08, 2018, 08:30:46 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 05:29:54 AM

Listen here matey!!

If I had my own way I would be steaming towards the US as we speak with Her Majesty's fleet to do what we should of done back in 1775 at Lexington Green !! Whipped your god dam Yankees asses!!

And if you happen to of been there I would of personally made sure you were Keel Hauled !! :smokin:

Go ahead. Make my day. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mevxenJ6Mtc) :ROFL:

I would refer the Right Honorable Gent...er...Steve to the following:

"Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."

--Abraham Lincoln, Springfield, Illinois, January 27, 1838

You have other, bigger problems, springing up amongst you, to wit, your country is being taken over by rather uncivilized Sand People while your ethnomasochistic government and elites look on and cheer.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 08:40:42 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 08, 2018, 08:30:46 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 05:29:54 AM
Listen here matey!!

If I had my own way I would be steaming towards the US as we speak with Her Majesty's fleet to do what we should of done back in 1775 at Lexington Green !! Whipped your god dam Yankees asses!!

And if you happen to of been there I would of personally made sure you were Keel Hauled !! :smokin:

Go ahead. Make my day. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mevxenJ6Mtc) :ROFL:

More seriously, you have other, bigger problems, to wit, your country is being taken over by rather uncivilized Sand People while your ethnomasochistic government and elites look on and cheer. You would be better off tending to your own knitting.

B/B

I don't have any problems, I left the UK.. they are welcome to my pension and any thing else that goes with it. I have given up on the country ever being Great again unfortunately :(

I will make my own island and call it Great Britain part 2 .. there will be no messing about there for sure. >:(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 08:44:35 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 08, 2018, 08:30:46 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 05:29:54 AM
Listen here matey!!

If I had my own way I would be steaming towards the US as we speak with Her Majesty's fleet to do what we should of done back in 1775 at Lexington Green !! Whipped your god dam Yankees asses!!

And if you happen to of been there I would of personally made sure you were Keel Hauled !! :smokin:

Go ahead. Make my day. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mevxenJ6Mtc) :ROFL:

I would refer the Right Honorable Gent...er...Steve to the following:

"Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."

--Abraham Lincoln, Springfield, Illinois, January 27, 1838

You have other, bigger problems, springing up amongst you, to wit, your country is being taken over by rather uncivilized Sand People while your ethnomasochistic government and elites look on and cheer.

B/B

Abraham Lincoln was all ways full of s****

As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide. yeah right!! Like the few who got caught by the Iranian national guard and cried because they never had the i pads.. :laugh:

I think times have changed since Mr Lincoln was around..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 08:50:34 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 08, 2018, 08:30:46 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 05:29:54 AM
Listen here matey!!

If I had my own way I would be steaming towards the US as we speak with Her Majesty's fleet to do what we should of done back in 1775 at Lexington Green !! Whipped your god dam Yankees asses!!

And if you happen to of been there I would of personally made sure you were Keel Hauled !! :smokin:

Go ahead. Make my day. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mevxenJ6Mtc) :ROFL:

I would refer the Right Honorable Gent...er...Steve to the following:

"Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."

--Abraham Lincoln, Springfield, Illinois, January 27, 1838
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You have other, bigger problems, springing up amongst you, to wit, your country is being taken over by rather uncivilized Sand People while your ethnomasochistic government and elites look on and cheer.

B/B

Yeah right sure thing boss....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 08, 2018, 09:08:07 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 05:23:00 AM

It is no worries for me if civil war comes to Europe.. I will leave the wife here in Russia to keep the business going whilst I go to Western Europe for a little time to help out.. And I will not be taking orders from some jerk I will do my own think, kind of like multiple assassinations. Actually we are in Moscow next month I'm already booked for training with a Kalashnikov ..

Think I'm joking ? try looking under my bed.. :laugh:

I was trained on the use of an AK-47 while in the USMC. Fired "expert" with both it and the M-16. The Marine Corp philosophy was that if you ran out of ammunition for your own M-16 there should be plenty of ownerless AK-47's lying about that you could use to continue the battle.

Just remember short bursts of 3-4 rounds at a time. Improves accuracy and conserves ammunition.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 09:20:56 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 08, 2018, 09:08:07 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 05:23:00 AM
It is no worries for me if civil war comes to Europe.. I will leave the wife here in Russia to keep the business going whilst I go to Western Europe for a little time to help out.. And I will not be taking orders from some jerk I will do my own think, kind of like multiple assassinations. Actually we are in Moscow next month I'm already booked for training with a Kalashnikov ..

Think I'm joking ? try looking under my bed.. :laugh:

I was trained on the use of an AK-47 while in the USMC. Fired "expert" with both it and the M-16. The Marine Corp philosophy was that if you ran out of ammunition for your own M-16 there should be plenty of ownerless AK-47's lying about that you could use to continue the battle.

Just remember short bursts of 3-4 rounds at a time. Improves accuracy and conserves ammunition.

Sounds good... I also want one of those shot guns with the silencer on the end, like in the movie "No country for old men" I figured its easier to kill a few whilst they sleep, less resistance ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2018, 10:20:05 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 08, 2018, 05:17:34 AM

The figures are out there, take the an average and you can see he’d have made more just putting the money he inherited into an index fund.

That would be taking the easy way out and he would have been like other Billionaires, meaning he would not have built anything.

He chose to build great buildings and his large real estate developments are all over the world.

Have you ever built anything Ste? It requires a lot of planning, patience and intelligence. The developer needs to get permits, he needs to deal with government inspectors, contractors and workers and he needs to bring everything to conclusion on time and within a planned budget.

Did you even ever work in construction Ste, maybe summers? Have you ever even built a treehouse? I doubt it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 08, 2018, 10:23:40 AM

White House says 200,000 Salvadoreans must leave the US

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-42613178

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2018, 10:39:16 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 08:44:35 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 08, 2018, 08:30:46 AM
Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 05:29:54 AM
Listen here matey!!

If I had my own way I would be steaming towards the US as we speak with Her Majesty's fleet to do what we should of done back in 1775 at Lexington Green !! Whipped your god dam Yankees asses!!

And if you happen to of been there I would of personally made sure you were Keel Hauled !! :smokin:

Go ahead. Make my day. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mevxenJ6Mtc) :ROFL:

I would refer the Right Honorable Gent...er...Steve to the following:

"Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide."

--Abraham Lincoln, Springfield, Illinois, January 27, 1838

You have other, bigger problems, springing up amongst you, to wit, your country is being taken over by rather uncivilized Sand People while your ethnomasochistic government and elites look on and cheer.

B/B

Abraham Lincoln was all ways full of s****

As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide. yeah right!! Like the few who got caught by the Iranian national guard and cried because they never had the i pads.. :laugh:

I think times have changed since Mr Lincoln was around..

Get your facts straight. They were ordered to stand down by Pussy in Chief Obama.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2018, 10:42:22 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 05:29:54 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 07, 2018, 03:06:15 PM
Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Second, if the SoKos want us gone, all they need do is ask. but.....

Everyone wants you gone!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! If only. We tried that once, after 1918. Didn't work out. Within a generation we were up to our elbows in alligators again.

And do you think we WANT to be there? It's just every time we leave you Europeans without Adult Supervision you produce homicidal dictators that start World Wars and murder tens of millions.

It's more convenient for the US and Canada to keep an eye on you.

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
I wish everyone on this continent would get along with each other as good neighbours and tell you to get your asses of this continent..

And the fact that you can't is pretty telling....

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Can you imagine if that happened? You would just be some fools stuck on a big Island out in the Atlantic

LOL. As opposed to fools stuck on a tiny island off the northwest coast of Europe who have only maintained a veneer of relevance because they share a language with the United States, etc.? *cough-cough*

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
hence the need to stir up trouble every where to make sure it can never happen!

Yes, yes, like Yugoslavia, where we were invited to butt out (and happily did) by EU High Poobah for Yugoslavia Jacques Poos. We were, of course, invited to butt right back in again once it was determined that Europe - once again - couldn't get its shit straight.

We leave, and the wolf will be at the door before you know it. Sadly, you've elected to import wolves - and insane child rapers - from Greater Jihadistan. Good luck with that...it was nice knowing you guys.

B/B

Listen here matey!!

If I had my own way I would be steaming towards the US as we speak with Her Majesty's fleet to do what we should of done back in 1775 at Lexington Green !! Whipped your god dam Yankees asses!!

And if you happen to of been there I would of personally made sure you were Keel Hauled !! :smokin:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_New_Orleans

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 10:53:59 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 08, 2018, 10:42:22 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 05:29:54 AM
Quote from: B.B. on January 07, 2018, 03:06:15 PM
Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Second, if the SoKos want us gone, all they need do is ask. but.....

Everyone wants you gone!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! If only. We tried that once, after 1918. Didn't work out. Within a generation we were up to our elbows in alligators again.

And do you think we WANT to be there? It's just every time we leave you Europeans without Adult Supervision you produce homicidal dictators that start World Wars and murder tens of millions.

It's more convenient for the US and Canada to keep an eye on you.

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
I wish everyone on this continent would get along with each other as good neighbours and tell you to get your asses of this continent..

And the fact that you can't is pretty telling....

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Can you imagine if that happened? You would just be some fools stuck on a big Island out in the Atlantic

LOL. As opposed to fools stuck on a tiny island off the northwest coast of Europe who have only maintained a veneer of relevance because they share a language with the United States, etc.? *cough-cough*

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
hence the need to stir up trouble every where to make sure it can never happen!

Yes, yes, like Yugoslavia, where we were invited to butt out (and happily did) by EU High Poobah for Yugoslavia Jacques Poos. We were, of course, invited to butt right back in again once it was determined that Europe - once again - couldn't get its shit straight.

We leave, and the wolf will be at the door before you know it. Sadly, you've elected to import wolves - and insane child rapers - from Greater Jihadistan. Good luck with that...it was nice knowing you guys.

B/B

Listen here matey!!

If I had my own way I would be steaming towards the US as we speak with Her Majesty's fleet to do what we should of done back in 1775 at Lexington Green !! Whipped your god dam Yankees asses!!

And if you happen to of been there I would of personally made sure you were Keel Hauled !! :smokin:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_New_Orleans

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I would love to go back and change history .. I would turn up in the Tardis with a few mates , we would be armed to the teeth with semi autos and a few rocket launchers and just wipe George Washington's band of merry men of the face of the earth.. ;D

But actually if I did have a Tardis to go back in time I wouldn't waste my time killing a few farmers, I would buy up half of New York and put it trust ready for when I return.. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2018, 11:08:50 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 10:53:59 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 08, 2018, 10:42:22 AM
Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 05:29:54 AM
Quote from: B.B. on January 07, 2018, 03:06:15 PM
Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Second, if the SoKos want us gone, all they need do is ask. but.....

Everyone wants you gone!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! If only. We tried that once, after 1918. Didn't work out. Within a generation we were up to our elbows in alligators again.

And do you think we WANT to be there? It's just every time we leave you Europeans without Adult Supervision you produce homicidal dictators that start World Wars and murder tens of millions.

It's more convenient for the US and Canada to keep an eye on you.

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
I wish everyone on this continent would get along with each other as good neighbours and tell you to get your asses of this continent..

And the fact that you can't is pretty telling....

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Can you imagine if that happened? You would just be some fools stuck on a big Island out in the Atlantic

LOL. As opposed to fools stuck on a tiny island off the northwest coast of Europe who have only maintained a veneer of relevance because they share a language with the United States, etc.? *cough-cough*

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
hence the need to stir up trouble every where to make sure it can never happen!

Yes, yes, like Yugoslavia, where we were invited to butt out (and happily did) by EU High Poobah for Yugoslavia Jacques Poos. We were, of course, invited to butt right back in again once it was determined that Europe - once again - couldn't get its shit straight.

We leave, and the wolf will be at the door before you know it. Sadly, you've elected to import wolves - and insane child rapers - from Greater Jihadistan. Good luck with that...it was nice knowing you guys.

B/B

Listen here matey!!

If I had my own way I would be steaming towards the US as we speak with Her Majesty's fleet to do what we should of done back in 1775 at Lexington Green !! Whipped your god dam Yankees asses!!

And if you happen to of been there I would of personally made sure you were Keel Hauled !! :smokin:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_New_Orleans

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I would love to go back and change history .. I would turn up in the Tardis with a few mates , we would be armed to the teeth with semi autos and a few rocket launchers and just wipe George Washington's band of merry men of the face of the earth.. ;D

But actually if I did have a Tardis to go back in time I wouldn't waste my time killing a few farmers, I would buy up half of New York and put it trust ready for when I return.. tiphat

The Battle of New Orleans was led by General Andrew Jackson.

However it doesn’t hurt to dream. I have a book on alternative history and WWII. Some German Generals in 1938 believed they could have negotiated peace terms and gained back territory lost in 1919.

There were also Germans in the military trying to plan ways to get rid of Hitler way back in 1938 but they say the allies did not offer any help.

Anyways we kicked some British rear-end back in 1814 and you’ve needed our help ever since then. :-*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 11:22:17 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 08, 2018, 11:08:50 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 10:53:59 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 08, 2018, 10:42:22 AM
Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 05:29:54 AM
Quote from: B.B. on January 07, 2018, 03:06:15 PM
Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Second, if the SoKos want us gone, all they need do is ask. but.....

Everyone wants you gone!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! If only. We tried that once, after 1918. Didn't work out. Within a generation we were up to our elbows in alligators again.

And do you think we WANT to be there? It's just every time we leave you Europeans without Adult Supervision you produce homicidal dictators that start World Wars and murder tens of millions.

It's more convenient for the US and Canada to keep an eye on you.

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
I wish everyone on this continent would get along with each other as good neighbours and tell you to get your asses of this continent..

And the fact that you can't is pretty telling....

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Can you imagine if that happened? You would just be some fools stuck on a big Island out in the Atlantic

LOL. As opposed to fools stuck on a tiny island off the northwest coast of Europe who have only maintained a veneer of relevance because they share a language with the United States, etc.? *cough-cough*

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
hence the need to stir up trouble every where to make sure it can never happen!

Yes, yes, like Yugoslavia, where we were invited to butt out (and happily did) by EU High Poobah for Yugoslavia Jacques Poos. We were, of course, invited to butt right back in again once it was determined that Europe - once again - couldn't get its shit straight.

We leave, and the wolf will be at the door before you know it. Sadly, you've elected to import wolves - and insane child rapers - from Greater Jihadistan. Good luck with that...it was nice knowing you guys.

B/B

Listen here matey!!

If I had my own way I would be steaming towards the US as we speak with Her Majesty's fleet to do what we should of done back in 1775 at Lexington Green !! Whipped your god dam Yankees asses!!

And if you happen to of been there I would of personally made sure you were Keel Hauled !! :smokin:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_New_Orleans

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I would love to go back and change history .. I would turn up in the Tardis with a few mates , we would be armed to the teeth with semi autos and a few rocket launchers and just wipe George Washington's band of merry men of the face of the earth.. ;D

But actually if I did have a Tardis to go back in time I wouldn't waste my time killing a few farmers, I would buy up half of New York and put it trust ready for when I return.. tiphat

The Battle of New Orleans was led by General Andrew Jackson.

However it doesn’t hurt to dream. I have a book on alternative history and WWII. Some German Generals in 1938 believed they could have negotiated peace terms and gained back territory lost in 1919.

There were also Germans in the military trying to plan ways to get rid of Hitler way back in 1938 but they say the allies did not offer any help.

Anyways we kicked some British rear-end back in 1814 and you’ve needed our help ever since then. :-*

It would be good to see 100 British SAS with 100 What ever you have over there Farmers union or something put in a huge room and it would be strictly hand to hand combat last 50 men standing..

I think your farmer boys would all be flat on their backs...

Or doing this :

Remember never believe what you see in Hollywood .. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 08, 2018, 11:48:20 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 08, 2018, 11:08:50 AM

Anyways we kicked some British rear-end back in 1814 and you’ve needed our help ever since then. :-*

Actually, most historians consider the War of 1812 a "draw". The British burned Washington DC to the ground (except the Commandant of the USMC home) and blockaded our coastline which virtually bankrupted our economy. Jackson did stop British expansion via the Mississippi River at New Orleans but this battle was actually fought after the Treaty of Ghent was signed. The US Navy really distinguished itself with several battles in the Atlantic and on the Great Lakes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 11:56:20 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 08, 2018, 11:48:20 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 08, 2018, 11:08:50 AM
Anyways we kicked some British rear-end back in 1814 and you’ve needed our help ever since then. :-*

Actually, most historians consider the War of 1812 a "draw". The British burned Washington DC to the ground (except the Commandant of the USMC home) and blockaded our coastline which virtually bankrupted our economy. Jackson did stop British expansion via the Mississippi River at New Orleans but this battle was actually fought after the Treaty of Ghent was signed. The US Navy really distinguished itself with several battles in the Atlantic and on the Great Lakes.

Don't you think life is so bloody boring today compared with those days. There is no spirit of adventure, humans have just become so bloody domesticated. In a few more years people will not even be able to climb up a tree, let alone fight a battle without getting shot at..

I like the days when the cannon fodder used to just march straight towards the enemy at what ever cost, the guy with the flag got his head blown of so the next one picked it up and continued on, drums beating..

A little like the Zulu wars and Rorke's Drift ..

The human spirit is slowly going.. soon it will be normal for men to go to war with a skirt and make up on and not expect to get shot at BUT they will want the bloody good salary.. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 08, 2018, 12:14:31 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 11:56:20 AM

Great movie but the "commercial" was a bunch of crap -

Fasting is one of the most UNHEALTHY ways to diet.

You don't put on weight every time you eat. That is frickin' nonsense.
It is all about burning calories each day. You burn more calories than
you take in, you lose weight. If the opposite is true, you gain weight.
Very simple really.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2018, 01:57:44 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 08, 2018, 11:48:20 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 08, 2018, 11:08:50 AM
Anyways we kicked some British rear-end back in 1814 and you’ve needed our help ever since then. :-*

Actually, most historians consider the War of 1812 a "draw". The British burned Washington DC to the ground (except the Commandant of the USMC home) and blockaded our coastline which virtually bankrupted our economy. Jackson did stop British expansion via the Mississippi River at New Orleans but this battle was actually fought after the Treaty of Ghent was signed. The US Navy really distinguished itself with several battles in the Atlantic and on the Great Lakes.

Go back and read my post. I said 1814 meaning battle of New Orleans. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2018, 02:01:44 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 11:22:17 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 08, 2018, 11:08:50 AM
Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 10:53:59 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 08, 2018, 10:42:22 AM
Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 05:29:54 AM
Quote from: B.B. on January 07, 2018, 03:06:15 PM
Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Second, if the SoKos want us gone, all they need do is ask. but.....

Everyone wants you gone!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! If only. We tried that once, after 1918. Didn't work out. Within a generation we were up to our elbows in alligators again.

And do you think we WANT to be there? It's just every time we leave you Europeans without Adult Supervision you produce homicidal dictators that start World Wars and murder tens of millions.

It's more convenient for the US and Canada to keep an eye on you.

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
I wish everyone on this continent would get along with each other as good neighbours and tell you to get your asses of this continent..

And the fact that you can't is pretty telling....

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Can you imagine if that happened? You would just be some fools stuck on a big Island out in the Atlantic

LOL. As opposed to fools stuck on a tiny island off the northwest coast of Europe who have only maintained a veneer of relevance because they share a language with the United States, etc.? *cough-cough*

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
hence the need to stir up trouble every where to make sure it can never happen!

Yes, yes, like Yugoslavia, where we were invited to butt out (and happily did) by EU High Poobah for Yugoslavia Jacques Poos. We were, of course, invited to butt right back in again once it was determined that Europe - once again - couldn't get its shit straight.

We leave, and the wolf will be at the door before you know it. Sadly, you've elected to import wolves - and insane child rapers - from Greater Jihadistan. Good luck with that...it was nice knowing you guys.

B/B

Listen here matey!!

If I had my own way I would be steaming towards the US as we speak with Her Majesty's fleet to do what we should of done back in 1775 at Lexington Green !! Whipped your god dam Yankees asses!!

And if you happen to of been there I would of personally made sure you were Keel Hauled !! :smokin:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_New_Orleans

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I would love to go back and change history .. I would turn up in the Tardis with a few mates , we would be armed to the teeth with semi autos and a few rocket launchers and just wipe George Washington's band of merry men of the face of the earth.. ;D

But actually if I did have a Tardis to go back in time I wouldn't waste my time killing a few farmers, I would buy up half of New York and put it trust ready for when I return.. tiphat

The Battle of New Orleans was led by General Andrew Jackson.

However it doesn’t hurt to dream. I have a book on alternative history and WWII. Some German Generals in 1938 believed they could have negotiated peace terms and gained back territory lost in 1919.

There were also Germans in the military trying to plan ways to get rid of Hitler way back in 1938 but they say the allies did not offer any help.

Anyways we kicked some British rear-end back in 1814 and you’ve needed our help ever since then. :-*

It would be good to see 100 British SAS with 100 What ever you have over there Farmers union or something put in a huge room and it would be strictly hand to hand combat last 50 men standing..

I think your farmer boys would all be flat on their backs...

Or doing this :

Remember never believe what you see in Hollywood .. ;D

SAS are top notch for sure top 3 in the World ranking, often no. 1.

Our Navy Seals are excellent and other special forces are well trained also.

Farmers against SAS? Not a fair competition.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 08, 2018, 02:18:42 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 08, 2018, 10:23:40 AM

White House says 200,000 Salvadoreans must leave the US

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-42613178

Note that they have been on "Temporary" protected status....for SEVENTEEN FCUKING YEARS!

And really, does anyone think that these are the faces (https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/960x540/p05nt08v.jpg) of the folks who are going to revitalize our space program? Yeah, me neither. They can just hold up signs demanding shit they aren't entitled to....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 02:22:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 08, 2018, 02:01:44 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 11:22:17 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 08, 2018, 11:08:50 AM
Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 10:53:59 AM
Quote from: Confederate on January 08, 2018, 10:42:22 AM
Quote from: Steveboy on January 08, 2018, 05:29:54 AM
Quote from: B.B. on January 07, 2018, 03:06:15 PM
Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Second, if the SoKos want us gone, all they need do is ask. but.....

Everyone wants you gone!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! If only. We tried that once, after 1918. Didn't work out. Within a generation we were up to our elbows in alligators again.

And do you think we WANT to be there? It's just every time we leave you Europeans without Adult Supervision you produce homicidal dictators that start World Wars and murder tens of millions.

It's more convenient for the US and Canada to keep an eye on you.

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
I wish everyone on this continent would get along with each other as good neighbours and tell you to get your asses of this continent..

And the fact that you can't is pretty telling....

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
Can you imagine if that happened? You would just be some fools stuck on a big Island out in the Atlantic

LOL. As opposed to fools stuck on a tiny island off the northwest coast of Europe who have only maintained a veneer of relevance because they share a language with the United States, etc.? *cough-cough*

Quote from: Steveboy on January 07, 2018, 02:15:48 AM
hence the need to stir up trouble every where to make sure it can never happen!

Yes, yes, like Yugoslavia, where we were invited to butt out (and happily did) by EU High Poobah for Yugoslavia Jacques Poos. We were, of course, invited to butt right back in again once it was determined that Europe - once again - couldn't get its shit straight.

We leave, and the wolf will be at the door before you know it. Sadly, you've elected to import wolves - and insane child rapers - from Greater Jihadistan. Good luck with that...it was nice knowing you guys.

B/B

Listen here matey!!

If I had my own way I would be steaming towards the US as we speak with Her Majesty's fleet to do what we should of done back in 1775 at Lexington Green !! Whipped your god dam Yankees asses!!

And if you happen to of been there I would of personally made sure you were Keel Hauled !! :smokin:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_New_Orleans

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I would love to go back and change history .. I would turn up in the Tardis with a few mates , we would be armed to the teeth with semi autos and a few rocket launchers and just wipe George Washington's band of merry men of the face of the earth.. ;D

But actually if I did have a Tardis to go back in time I wouldn't waste my time killing a few farmers, I would buy up half of New York and put it trust ready for when I return.. tiphat

The Battle of New Orleans was led by General Andrew Jackson.

However it doesn’t hurt to dream. I have a book on alternative history and WWII. Some German Generals in 1938 believed they could have negotiated peace terms and gained back territory lost in 1919.

There were also Germans in the military trying to plan ways to get rid of Hitler way back in 1938 but they say the allies did not offer any help.

Anyways we kicked some British rear-end back in 1814 and you’ve needed our help ever since then. :-*

It would be good to see 100 British SAS with 100 What ever you have over there Farmers union or something put in a huge room and it would be strictly hand to hand combat last 50 men standing..

I think your farmer boys would all be flat on their backs...

Or doing this :

Remember never believe what you see in Hollywood .. ;D

SAS are top notch for sure top 3 in the World ranking, often no. 1.

Our Navy Seals are excellent and other special forces are well trained also.

Farmers against SAS? Not a fair competition.

I just watched Zulu again, still watching ;D I really admire the guys who protect the Union Jack at any cost.. Don't think they would do it today :(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 08, 2018, 02:39:02 PM

'Make America Great Again' ETF, pegged to Trump’s agenda, outperforms the stock market

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/01/08/make-america-great-again-etf-outperforms-the-stock-market.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 08, 2018, 07:03:44 PM

Michael Goodwin: Why Trump, chaos and all, is still better than Hillary Clinton in the White House

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/01/08/michael-goodwin-why-trump-chaos-and-all-it-still-better-than-hillary-clinton-in-white-house.amp.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 08, 2018, 07:36:37 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 08, 2018, 02:18:42 PM

Note that they have been on "Temporary" protected status....for SEVENTEEN FCUKING YEARS!

B/B

During each of those 17 years they could have started
the process to gain citizenship. If they were too dumb
and/or lazy to do that in 17 years then I say send them
back.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 08, 2018, 08:25:53 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on January 08, 2018, 07:36:37 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 08, 2018, 02:18:42 PM
Note that they have been on "Temporary" protected status....for SEVENTEEN FCUKING YEARS!

B/B

During each of those 17 years they could have started
the process to gain citizenship. If they were too dumb
and/or lazy to do that in 17 years then I say send them
back.

Maybe they thought being a registered Democrats, and voting, gave them citizenship? :biggrin:

Title: Re: President Winfrey !
Post by: msmoby on January 09, 2018, 02:27:51 AM

Seems that 'Trampu' is finished ?;)

Could Oprah be putting her hat in the ring ?

https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2018/01/09_a_11597072.shtml (https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2018/01/09_a_11597072.shtml)

This article points out how polite 'Trampu' has been about Oprah - and reminds us how he told folks, "" Oprah is a brilliant, amazing woman " and said she'd have made a great ticket as his VP ....

Did we read it here, first ?!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 09, 2018, 05:32:42 PM

Quote

I like the days when the cannon fodder used to just march straight towards the enemy at what ever cost, the guy with the flag got his head blown of so the next one picked it up and continued on, drums beating..

The concept of guerilla warfare is referred to in the Art of War by Sun Tzu. The phalanx army formations were used by the Spartan armies and probably earlier since you wanted to have a coordinated attack and defensive position on the battlefield. The fighters got tired to becoming "cannon fodder" and turned into individual mercenaries to make defeating the enemy a one on one battle.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 09, 2018, 07:40:09 PM

Pirro: Comey Made Sure Mueller Was Appointed to 'Cover Their Butts'

https://www.google.com/amp/insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/59706

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 10, 2018, 07:37:59 AM

Dreamers situation doesn't seem to be an insurmountable issue to me. Fund the wall and in exchange give all dreamers who do not have a criminal arrest record AND who can pass a basic English competency test life-time green cards. No citizenship so they cannot sponsor their illegal relatives but they can stay, work and pay taxes. Deport kids who entered the country alone without parents. Get 'er done and move on to the next issue.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 10, 2018, 08:51:05 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 10, 2018, 07:37:59 AM

Dreamers situation doesn't seem to be an insurmountable issue to me. Fund the wall and in exchange give all dreamers who do not have a criminal arrest record AND who can pass a basic English competency test life-time green cards. No citizenship so they cannot sponsor their illegal relatives but they can stay, work and pay taxes. Deport kids who entered the country alone without parents. Get 'er done and move on to the next issue.

It seems easy, but Trump and the GOP are going to cave.
The Lefties never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever cave
or compromise. The left incrementally pushes to the left
always.

Trump Appears to Endorse Path to Citizenship for Millions of Immigrants

President Trump on Tuesday appeared open to negotiating a sweeping immigration deal that would eventually grant millions of undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship, declaring that he was willing to “take the heat” politically for an approach that seemed to flatly contradict the anti-immigration stance that charged his political rise.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/09/us/politics/trump-daca-immigration.html

It's never good when CNN praises somebody on the right
CNN's Wolf Blitzer showers praise on Trump for opening up immigration meeting to press
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/cnns-wolf-blitzer-showers-praise-on-trump-for-opening-up-immigration-meeting-to-press/article/2645466

The need for the wall is still there.
Trump Effect’ Wears Off as Migrants Resume Their Northward Push
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/10/us/border-crossings-trump-effect.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 10, 2018, 11:32:37 AM

Mitch McConnell is allowing the Democrats to slow down all nominations.

Does anybody know who the US ambassador to Germany is?
Trump nominated Richard Grenell but he hasn't been confirmed
because the Democrats demand 30 hours of floor debate first.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0118/hewitt010818.php3

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/81/63/fe/8163fe11c1f2954607024f3774117133.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 10, 2018, 12:46:34 PM

Quote from: shakespear link=topic=24412.msg4t75267#msg475267 date=1515595079

Dreamers situation doesn't seem to be an insurmountable issue to me. Fund the wall and in exchange give all dreamers who do not have a criminal arrest record AND who can pass a basic English competency test life-time green cards. No citizenship so they cannot sponsor their illegal relatives but they can stay, work and pay taxes. Deport kids who entered the country alone without parents. Get 'er done and move on to the next issue.

Deport the parents and the kids. Keep the family together and Make Mexico Great.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 10, 2018, 03:02:31 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 10, 2018, 12:46:34 PM

Quote from: shakespear link=topic=24412.msg4t75267#msg475267 date=1515595079
Dreamers situation doesn't seem to be an insurmountable issue to me. Fund the wall and in exchange give all dreamers who do not have a criminal arrest record AND who can pass a basic English competency test life-time green cards. No citizenship so they cannot sponsor their illegal relatives but they can stay, work and pay taxes. Deport kids who entered the country alone without parents. Get 'er done and move on to the next issue.

Deport the parents and the kids. Keep the family together and Make Mexico Great.

We should really be deporting the Somalis, first. Bunch of Islamic nutter welfare bums. Then the other Muzzies. Then the Central Americans, then the Mexicans; they're not as bad.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on January 10, 2018, 04:17:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 10, 2018, 07:37:59 AM

Dreamers situation doesn't seem to be an insurmountable issue to me. Fund the wall and in exchange give all dreamers who do not have a criminal arrest record AND who can pass a basic English competency test life-time green cards. No citizenship so they cannot sponsor their illegal relatives but they can stay, work and pay taxes. Deport kids who entered the country alone without parents. Get 'er done and move on to the next issue.

Result: instant Democrat gains in Electoral College, and no Republican is ever elected President again... California writ large.

You don't get it - they are already voting illegally and have been for 20+ years. Read up on the illegal voting that was investigated by Congress, of the Dornan-Sanchez race in 1996.

DACA situation is easy: you came here illegally, we gave you some time to get your sh*t together, now time is up.

Leave or we deport your taco-loving self.

IF you don't leave and we arrest you - 90 days' hard labor on The Wall, then off you go.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 10, 2018, 05:34:23 PM

Another accomplishment and continued results of Trumps presidency.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.al.com/news/huntsville/index.ssf/2018/01/trump_celebrates_toyota-mazda.amp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 10, 2018, 09:04:44 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 10, 2018, 03:02:31 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 10, 2018, 12:46:34 PM
Quote from: shakespear link=topic=24412.msg4t75267#msg475267 date=1515595079
Dreamers situation doesn't seem to be an insurmountable issue to me. Fund the wall and in exchange give all dreamers who do not have a criminal arrest record AND who can pass a basic English competency test life-time green cards. No citizenship so they cannot sponsor their illegal relatives but they can stay, work and pay taxes. Deport kids who entered the country alone without parents. Get 'er done and move on to the next issue.

Deport the parents and the kids. Keep the family together and Make Mexico Great.

We should really be deporting the Somalis, first. Bunch of Islamic nutter welfare bums. Then the other Muzzies. Then the Central Americans, then the Mexicans; they're not as bad.

B/B

Works for me but get it done. Bill is right Republicans always cave, Dems never.

We control Congress but could not repeal the ACA? Pathetic. That two-faced rat basterd McCain didn’t help.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 11, 2018, 07:58:50 AM

Quote from: Slumba on January 10, 2018, 04:17:20 PM

Result: instant Democrat gains in Electoral College, and no Republican is ever elected President again... California writ large.

You don't get it - they are already voting illegally and have been for 20+ years. Read up on the illegal voting that was investigated by Congress, of the Dornan-Sanchez race in 1996.

DACA situation is easy: you came here illegally, we gave you some time to get your sh*t together, now time is up.

Leave or we deport your taco-loving self.

IF you don't leave and we arrest you - 90 days' hard labor on The Wall, then off you go.

Oh I don't agree.

Ineligible people voting is a totally different issue that allowing
people who were brought here before the age of consent legal
permanent residence. I would agree that this is unlikely to
happen because Democrats see it as a way to change the
outcome of elections.

But I do think it is a fair way to resolve the situation without involving
the immigration status of their parents and relatives.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on January 11, 2018, 10:58:00 AM

DACA Kids stats (sorry, don't have a source handy)

790K as of 2017
70% over 21
25% illiterate
67% not fluent in English
77% on govt assistance
900 in military
5% in college

They ain't worth keeping around ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 11, 2018, 11:48:41 AM

Quote from: Slumba on January 11, 2018, 10:58:00 AM

DACA Kids stats (sorry, don't have a source handy)

790K as of 2017
70% over 21
25% illiterate
67% not fluent in English
77% on govt assistance
900 in military
5% in college

They ain't worth keeping around ...

Most of those could be applied to yer average good 'ole redneck American lo!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2018, 04:24:43 PM

Proving once again that Trump really is a man of the people.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-immigrants-shithole-countries-20180111-story,amp.html

:bow: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on January 11, 2018, 05:00:20 PM

Quote from: Ste on January 11, 2018, 11:48:41 AM

Quote from: Slumba on January 11, 2018, 10:58:00 AM
DACA Kids stats (sorry, don't have a source handy)

790K as of 2017
70% over 21
25% illiterate
67% not fluent in English
77% on govt assistance
900 in military
5% in college

They ain't worth keeping around ...

Most of those could be applied to yer average good 'ole redneck American lo!

Without the rednecks, the USA will never have a military. The "redneck" areas are where the military gets its best recruits from.

Check the "25% illiterate" rate against most countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate

If the "DACA" (I won't call them Dreamers, that is a propaganda term worthy of the USSR!) people were a country - they'd be a failed country, a poor backwards sh*hole like Morocco or Angole or Cameroon.

They're simply not needed and wholly redundant in USA - we can breed our own underclass easily enough...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 11, 2018, 05:31:14 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 11, 2018, 04:24:43 PM

Proving once again that Trump really is a man of the people.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-immigrants-shithole-countries-20180111-story,amp.html

:bow: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

He is telling it like it is. :chuckle: Stop importing all of these "dregs" and "low lifes" into the country. You need to import rich and eminent foreigners, not what is written on the Statue of Liberty.

Quote

“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore,”

The Native Americans want all of the European, African, and Asian invaders to get the :censored: out from this side of the planet. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on January 11, 2018, 06:12:59 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 11, 2018, 05:31:14 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 11, 2018, 04:24:43 PM
Proving once again that Trump really is a man of the people.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-immigrants-shithole-countries-20180111-story,amp.html

:bow: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

He is telling it like it is. :chuckle: Stop importing all of these "dregs" and "low lifes" into the country. You need to import rich and eminent foreigners, not what is written on the Statue of Liberty.

Quote
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore,”

The Native Americans want all of the European, African, and Asian invaders to get the :censored: out from this side of the planet. :ROFL:

Only the idiotic seriously believe the "Native American" canard ... conquest is a part of human nature, every race and creed has done it, and I ain't apologizing or feeling guilty about it.

Show me where this saying has been passed into a statute or other law... it was written by Emma Lazarus, an early and ardent Zionist.

All I want, is the equivalent of Israel's immigration policy, which is basically "don't replace the native population and anyone new has to be of benefit", implemented in the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2018, 06:58:07 PM

Quote from: Slumba on January 11, 2018, 06:12:59 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 11, 2018, 05:31:14 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 11, 2018, 04:24:43 PM
Proving once again that Trump really is a man of the people.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-immigrants-shithole-countries-20180111-story,amp.html

:bow: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

He is telling it like it is. :chuckle: Stop importing all of these "dregs" and "low lifes" into the country. You need to import rich and eminent foreigners, not what is written on the Statue of Liberty.

Quote
“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore,”

The Native Americans want all of the European, African, and Asian invaders to get the :censored: out from this side of the planet. :ROFL:

Only the idiotic seriously believe the "Native American" canard ... conquest is a part of human nature, every race and creed has done it, and I ain't apologizing or feeling guilty about it.

Show me where this saying has been passed into a statute or other law... it was written by Emma Lazarus, an early and ardent Zionist.

All I want, is the equivalent of Israel's immigration policy, which is basically "don't replace the native population and anyone new has to be of benefit", implemented in the USA.

All I want is the fulfillment of prophecy in Revelations. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2018, 07:07:17 PM

Ted Nugent on immigration. :chuckle:

“So, I was walking through Chicago and I saw that there was a "Muslim Book Store." I was wondering what exactly was in a Muslim bookstore, so I went in.

As... I was wandering around taking a look, the clerk stopped me and asked if he could help me.

I imagine I didn't look like his normal clientele, so I asked, “Do you have a copy of Donald Trump's book on his U.S. Immigration Policy regarding Muslims and illegal Mexicans?"

The clerk said, "GET OUT!, GET OUT AND STAY OUT!"

I said, "Yes, that's the one. Do you have it in paperback?"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 12, 2018, 12:52:02 AM

So, he isn't coming to open the new US embassy - blaming it on Obama )) It was a Bush Presidency decision to sell up in the prime location and move to Vauxhall ...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42657954 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42657954)

This guy's howlers just go on and on...

Of course, the 'welcome' he'll receive has nothing to do with it !.......

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 12, 2018, 02:54:10 AM

Some good new, Trumpton scapped his visit to UK, bottled it. Sad!!

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 12, 2018, 02:59:15 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 12, 2018, 02:54:10 AM

Some good new, Trumpton scapped his visit to UK, bottled it. Sad!!

.

Hang on, this is a different trip to ooen the new American Embassy, which he doesn’t like...

Its still on!

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180112/3be8cac73185367e927061dc1580eaba.jpg)

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 12, 2018, 07:30:33 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 12, 2018, 02:59:15 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 12, 2018, 02:54:10 AM
Some good new, Trumpton scapped his visit to UK, bottled it. Sad!!

.

Hang on, this is a different trip to ooen the new American Embassy, which he doesn’t like...

Its still on!

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180112/3be8cac73185367e927061dc1580eaba.jpg)

.

So the Brits assume the preferred position of their Islamic masters for every foreigner now?

:ROFL:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 12, 2018, 08:35:01 AM

Nice try at deflection there, BB - FAIL ..

Meanwhile across the North Sea..

another fail..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/42657567/us-ambassador-still-can-t-answer-netherlands-questions (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/42657567/us-ambassador-still-can-t-answer-netherlands-questions)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 12, 2018, 08:39:36 AM

Great article and spot on IMHO -

https://www.yahoo.com/news/inside-gop-rocky-relationship-donald-111258760.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 12, 2018, 09:37:01 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 12, 2018, 08:35:01 AM

Nice try at deflection there, BB - FAIL ..

Translation: "Uh...uh...oh, YEAH?"

:chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 12, 2018, 09:40:57 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 12, 2018, 08:39:36 AM

Great article and spot on IMHO -

https://www.yahoo.com/news/inside-gop-rocky-relationship-donald-111258760.html

Trump is not a Republican or he is a Republican for the sake of convenience. Trump is an authoritarian and an economic nationalist. He is the American Berlusconi (with about 10% P.T. Barnum and a dash of Pinochet).

And he's right about immigration. Shithole? How DARE he insult the Shining Jewel that is Somalia!

Oh....it is? Sorry....

:chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on January 12, 2018, 10:33:30 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 12, 2018, 09:37:01 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 12, 2018, 08:35:01 AM
Nice try at deflection there, BB - FAIL ..

Translation: "Uh...uh...oh, YEAH?"

:chuckle:

B/B

Fail? I don't think so! I nominate that as the comeback of the century! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Still laughing my ass off... BB... pure genius sir tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 12, 2018, 11:21:58 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 12, 2018, 09:37:01 AM

Translation: "Uh...uh...oh, YEAH?"

:chuckle:

B/B

Why not just admit, "Trump is my kind of guy" and you might begin to understand just how wacky some of you come across ...?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 12, 2018, 11:32:03 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 12, 2018, 07:30:33 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 12, 2018, 02:59:15 AM
Quote from: Ste on January 12, 2018, 02:54:10 AM
Some good new, Trumpton scapped his visit to UK, bottled it. Sad!!

.

Hang on, this is a different trip to ooen the new American Embassy, which he doesn’t like...

Its still on!

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180112/3be8cac73185367e927061dc1580eaba.jpg)

.

So the Brits assume the preferred position of their Islamic masters for every foreigner now?

:ROFL:

B/B

:bow: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 12, 2018, 11:36:16 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 12, 2018, 09:40:57 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 12, 2018, 08:39:36 AM
Great article and spot on IMHO -

https://www.yahoo.com/news/inside-gop-rocky-relationship-donald-111258760.html

Trump is not a Republican or he is a Republican for the sake of convenience. Trump is an authoritarian and an economic nationalist. He is the American Berlusconi (with about 10% P.T. Barnum and a dash of Pinochet).

And he's right about immigration. Shithole? How DARE he insult the Shining Jewel that is Somalia!

Oh....it is? Sorry....

:chuckle:

B/B

All of the liberal media outlets (which is about 95% of the media) are up in arms about this. Their heads are exploding. Meanwhile Trump supporters are applauding him for speaking the truth, yet again. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 12, 2018, 01:29:53 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 12, 2018, 11:21:58 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 12, 2018, 09:37:01 AM

Translation: "Uh...uh...oh, YEAH?"

:chuckle:

B/B

Why not just admit, "Trump is my kind of guy" and you might begin to understand just how wacky some of you come across ...?

So if my options are:

A. Authorities and police stand by whilst thousands of children are raped, across decades in multiple cities.

vs.

B. President asks (paraphrasing) "Why do we keep importing losers from shitholes? Send them back."

then yeah, the answer is pretty clearly "B".

YMMV

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on January 12, 2018, 04:24:54 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 12, 2018, 01:29:53 PM

A. Authorities and police stand by whilst thousands of children are raped, across decades in multiple cities.

Closer to a million at last count. Meanwhile it continues, but if you make a nasty tweet about what's happening in Sweden, you might get a visit from the local constabulary...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 12, 2018, 11:52:26 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 12, 2018, 01:29:53 PM

A. Authorities and police stand by whilst thousands of children are raped, across decades in multiple cities.

vs.

B. President asks (paraphrasing) "Why do we keep importing losers from shitholes? Send them back."

then yeah, the answer is pretty clearly "B".

YMMV

B/B

Quote from: Slumba on January 12, 2018, 04:24:54 PM

Closer to a million at last count. Meanwhile it continues, but if you make a nasty tweet about what's happening in Sweden, you might get a visit from the local constabulary...

Wow you guys have it worse than I thought....

So your man is going to rid you of all the 'Christian' pervs, too ?

Based on his and your criteria - better cancel the Visa rights of the Irish too, too :chuckle:

Title: Moby's having his impact: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 13, 2018, 12:40:48 PM

http://pitchfork.com/news/moby-says-cia-agents-asked-him-to-spread-the-word-about-trump-and-russia/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 13, 2018, 03:36:46 PM

Saw this on TV. Order yours online soon because supplies are limited. :chuckle: :ROFL:

http://www.thetrumpybear.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 13, 2018, 04:45:12 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 12, 2018, 11:52:26 PM

So your man is going to rid you of all the 'Christian' pervs, too ?

Based on his and your criteria - better cancel the Visa rights of the Irish too, too :chuckle:

The above is a variation of the Two Pillars of Dhimmitude, to wit: "BUT....BUT....BUT XHRISTIANS DO IT, TOO!!!!"

So. Fcuking. What. Do the bad acts of Christians (or Jews, or Buddhists, or whatever) ameliorate the bad acts of Muslims? No? Then STFU about it.

That said, I would be perfectly happy to see the pederasts in the Catholic church (etc) prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law - and I certainly won't be trying to make excuses like, "WAAAHH!! BUT THE MUZZIES DO IT, TOO!!!" like you Allah-pologists do.

Get your head out of your arse. Both the view and the smell will be greatly improved....

B/B

Title: Re: Moby's having his impact: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 13, 2018, 04:46:38 PM

Quote from: Maxx on January 13, 2018, 12:40:48 PM

http://pitchfork.com/news/moby-says-cia-agents-asked-him-to-spread-the-word-about-trump-and-russia/

If true, which I doubt, we have CIA agents attempting a coup.

B/B

Title: Re: Moby's having his impact: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 13, 2018, 05:44:46 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 13, 2018, 04:46:38 PM

Quote from: Maxx on January 13, 2018, 12:40:48 PM

http://pitchfork.com/news/moby-says-cia-agents-asked-him-to-spread-the-word-about-trump-and-russia/

If true, which I doubt, we have CIA agents attempting a coup.

B/B

Truth is stranger than fiction. We’ve already had FBI agents attempting a coup.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on January 13, 2018, 06:27:28 PM

Quote

He added, “It’s really disturbing and it’s going to get quite a lot darker. Like the depths of the Trump family in business and their involvement with organized crime, sponsored terrorism, Russian oligarchs, it’s really dark. I guess we should all, like, fasten our seat belts and hold on.”

Why do you think the protege candidate of Mafia and President of your country has been soft against Putin?

Read the ALT Media and not CNN.

:smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 13, 2018, 08:35:00 PM

https://www.facebook.com/ProjectRepublicToday/videos/1734651680167309/

Title: Re: Moby's having his impact: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 14, 2018, 04:23:29 AM

Quote from: Maxx on January 13, 2018, 12:40:48 PM

http://pitchfork.com/news/moby-says-cia-agents-asked-him-to-spread-the-word-about-trump-and-russia/

Had to do a double-take here ;)

Thought this was a Wiz-type headline ...

Title: Re: Moby's having his impact: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on January 14, 2018, 07:42:00 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 13, 2018, 04:46:38 PM

Quote from: Maxx on January 13, 2018, 12:40:48 PM

http://pitchfork.com/news/moby-says-cia-agents-asked-him-to-spread-the-word-about-trump-and-russia/

If true, which I doubt, we have CIA agents attempting a coup.

B/B

The members of the "deep state" that are in the C.I.A. are using their "propaganda assets" to stir trouble.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influence_on_public_opinion

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 14, 2018, 10:22:20 AM

The liberal media doesn't have any problem using sh*t hole while reporting. Would seem that the media is even more racist, and hateful in continued coverage.
Trump was elected president not pope, and if colorful description offends liberals so much they should condemn the thousands of crude comments aimed at the president.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/republicans-maybe-trump-didnt-say-sh-thole-after-all.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on January 15, 2018, 12:39:37 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 14, 2018, 10:22:20 AM

The liberal media doesn't have any problem using sh*t hole while reporting. Would seem that the media is even more racist, and hateful in continued coverage.
Trump was elected president not pope, and if colorful description offends liberals so much they should condemn the thousands of crude comments aimed at the president.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/republicans-maybe-trump-didnt-say-sh-thole-after-all.html

Of course he did say it........ he is not known for his elegant speech ......

The grandson of a pimp and a mafia fraternizing father..... what would you expect?

Don't forget your country is been created by immigrants ..........

:evilgrin0002:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 15, 2018, 01:48:33 AM

Quote from: Wiz on January 15, 2018, 12:39:37 AM

Of course he did say it........ he is not known for his elegant speech ......

It's a fair question, one that the 63 million voters to supported Trump quite reasonably want an answer to. Why are we importing thousands of people who simply are not equipped to live in the free and liberal West? It's a mistake.

Quote from: Wiz on January 15, 2018, 12:39:37 AM

Don't forget your country is been created by immigrants ..........

....But not ILLEGAL immigrants, and losers from Loserstan.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 15, 2018, 02:53:06 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 15, 2018, 01:48:33 AM

....But not ILLEGAL immigrants, and losers from Loserstan.

B/B

:chuckle:

I'm sure the native Americans would have taken 'issue' with that, but they weren't 'good' Christians - so it didn't matter ...

BTW The 'Biased' BBC had this on their web site ....

'I'm a Muslim who voted for Trump'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/42677735/i-m-a-muslim-who-voted-for-donald-trump (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/42677735/i-m-a-muslim-who-voted-for-donald-trump)

You'd better be careful which ones you are 'throwing back' ...;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on January 16, 2018, 12:34:31 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 15, 2018, 02:53:06 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 15, 2018, 01:48:33 AM
....But not ILLEGAL immigrants, and losers from Loserstan.

B/B

:chuckle:

I'm sure the native Americans would have taken 'issue' with that, but they weren't 'good' Christians - so it didn't matter ...

You can't point to any extant societies that haven't engaged in conquest at one point of another, can you?

Conquest is something every race and creed (including the native Americans) have done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 16, 2018, 01:04:48 AM

Quote from: Slumba on January 16, 2018, 12:34:31 AM

You can't point to any extant societies that haven't engaged in conquest at one point of another, can you?

Conquest is something every race and creed (including the native Americans) have done.

Seems to me that was a form of deflection... an ( lame) 'excuse'...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 16, 2018, 02:23:27 AM

Quote from: Slumba on January 16, 2018, 12:34:31 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 15, 2018, 02:53:06 AM
Quote from: B.B. on January 15, 2018, 01:48:33 AM
....But not ILLEGAL immigrants, and losers from Loserstan.

B/B

:chuckle:

I'm sure the native Americans would have taken 'issue' with that, but they weren't 'good' Christians - so it didn't matter ...

You can't point to any extant societies that haven't engaged in conquest at one point of another, can you?

Conquest is something every race and creed (including the native Americans) have done.

Spot on.

One could be easily fooled into thinking that only white, christian males have taken part in conquest, murder and slavery.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 16, 2018, 09:52:38 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 16, 2018, 01:04:48 AM

Quote from: Slumba on January 16, 2018, 12:34:31 AM

You can't point to any extant societies that haven't engaged in conquest at one point of another, can you?

Conquest is something every race and creed (including the native Americans) have done.

Seems to me that was a form of deflection... an ( lame) 'excuse'...

Says the apologist for rapists and murderers. (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on January 16, 2018, 12:04:03 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 16, 2018, 01:04:48 AM

Quote from: Slumba on January 16, 2018, 12:34:31 AM

You can't point to any extant societies that haven't engaged in conquest at one point of another, can you?

Conquest is something every race and creed (including the native Americans) have done.

Seems to me that was a form of deflection... an ( lame) 'excuse'...

You can't answer the question forthrightly, can you?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 16, 2018, 12:30:20 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 16, 2018, 01:04:48 AM

Quote from: Slumba on January 16, 2018, 12:34:31 AM

You can't point to any extant societies that haven't engaged in conquest at one point of another, can you?

Conquest is something every race and creed (including the native Americans) have done.

Seems to me that was a form of deflection... an ( lame) 'excuse'...

Oh the irony of that statement :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 16, 2018, 01:23:40 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 12, 2018, 09:40:57 AM

Trump is not a Republican or he is a Republican for the sake of convenience. Trump is an authoritarian and an economic nationalist. He is the American Berlusconi (with about 10% P.T. Barnum and a dash of Pinochet).

B/B

His administration is removing regulations at a dizzying pace. Wouldn't a true authoritarian want to keep power?

Berlusconi? Perhaps in style but not in content tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 16, 2018, 01:42:29 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 16, 2018, 01:23:40 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 12, 2018, 09:40:57 AM
Trump is not a Republican or he is a Republican for the sake of convenience. Trump is an authoritarian and an economic nationalist. He is the American Berlusconi (with about 10% P.T. Barnum and a dash of Pinochet).

B/B

His administration is removing regulations at a dizzying pace. Wouldn't a true authoritarian want to keep power?

Berlusconi? Perhaps in style but not in content tiphat

Obama was the real authoritarian and he did it with excessive regulations, forced retirement of quality military leaders, bullying conservatives with the IRS, supplying his Muslim brothers in ISIS with weapons, giving tacit approval of genocide of Christians in Syria and Iraq, running guns, wishing to drone strike Americans on US soil, etc. etc.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 16, 2018, 08:16:28 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 16, 2018, 01:04:48 AM

Seems to me that was a form of deflection... an ( lame) 'excuse'...

It was said in reference to the extermination of the American Indians.
That did happen well before your countrymen killed many of the South
African Dutch women and children in concentration camps. I doubt that
you would like to defend the British controlling salt in India, or many
other things done during those years.

We Americans aren't proud of exterminating the Indians or slavery
or many other things our fore fathers did. I don't think that we
should have to defend them because none of our Grandparents
were born yet.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 17, 2018, 01:58:05 PM

Ya know, I'm starting to get sick of hearing about "fake news". It's really
nothing new. We used to call it "spin" back in the Clinton days. For example
the actual event might be "In a speech today President Trump called for
stricter enforcement of immigration laws on our countries southern borders".

CCN will cover the event by saying "Trump speech directs racist attack
against Hispanic refugees who are seeking a better life".

Fox News covers the same event by saying "Trump speech defends the
Constitution against lawbreakers".

IMHO the overall state of journalistic integrity is at an all time low mark.
{sigh} I long for the days when media outlets just covered the "factual
news" and didn't try to tell us what to think . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on January 17, 2018, 04:18:29 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 17, 2018, 01:58:05 PM

Ya know, I'm starting to get sick of hearing about "fake news". It's really
nothing new. We used to call it "spin" back in the Clinton days. For example
the actual event might be "In a speech today President Trump called for
stricter enforcement of immigration laws on our countries southern borders".

CCN will cover the event by saying "Trump speech directs racist attack
against Hispanic refugees who are seeking a better life".

Fox News covers the same event by saying "Trump speech defends the
Constitution against lawbreakers".

IMHO the overall state of journalistic integrity is at an all time low mark.
{sigh} I long for the days when media outlets just covered the "factual
news" and didn't try to tell us what to think . . . . . .

"We interrupt this story which is coming from Iraq, 'cause Rosie's suing Donald, Donald's suing Rosie back. We're cutting from Darfur, we're in Des Moines with urgent news: there's a finger in my food!"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 18, 2018, 05:04:12 AM

(http://www.ultrafeel.tv/wp-content/uploads/image/humor/cannabis-legalized-new-york-cnn.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 18, 2018, 06:54:21 PM

Another appointee resigns. :coffeeread:

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/politics/kfile-carl-higbie-on-the-radio/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on January 18, 2018, 11:01:09 PM

Santa Barbara continue........or is it "Dallas" ?

"Explosive", "Shocking" And "Alarming" FISA Memo Set To Rock DC, "End Mueller Investigation" (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-18/explosive-shocking-and-alarming-fisa-memo-set-rock-dc-end-mueller-investigation)

and here some good news about the Dollar...

What Happens Next To The Dollar (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-18/worlds-most-bearish-hedge-fund-has-stunning-theory-what-happens-next-dollar)

Meanwhile had a look at the currency rates .... at 5.45 GMT

1 GBP =1.39114 USD ..... few days ago was 1.31 USD

1 EUR =1.22613 USD .... 1 GBP =78.5840 RUB .. 1 USD =56.4959RUB

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 19, 2018, 10:39:13 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 17, 2018, 01:58:05 PM

Ya know, I'm starting to get sick of hearing about "fake news".

IMHO the overall state of journalistic integrity is at an all time low mark.
{sigh} I long for the days when media outlets just covered the "factual
news" and didn't try to tell us what to think . . . . . .

The news have never been 90% anti anything before.

There has always been some fake news. Do you remember the tet
offensive? it was reported as a massive loss by our forces by all the
major news organizations, even though in reality it was a victory.
While the generals tried to tell everyone that Tet was a small mop
up situation, the report by the News media was that the USA lost.

Today the media is in collusion with the Democrat party and is
pushing various false narratives.

Trump is in collusion with Russia and that's why he won.
It wasn't because the she was a horrible candidate, or that the
American people were tired of crooked Hilllary and all her
corruption, or that she stopped campaigning in Wisconsin or
her scandals.

He is a racist that wants to ban all Muslims.
They called his ban a Muslim ban so many times I've lost count.
Finally they started calling it
"A ban of 8 predominately Muslim countries"

The media has never been this bad. People who advise that he
lay down and take it couldn't be more wrong. It's a false narrative
and reporting endlessly about it is fake news.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 19, 2018, 11:00:10 AM

The Dem's have ONE tool that they use endlessly, to shut down
the government and blame it on the GOP. Then the GOP ALWAYS
caves and they win!

Never before has their been a Tweeter in Chief. Could he accurately
call them on this if it happens? We all know that the RINO squad
wants the Dems to win on immigration and will help them make it
happen.

Trump Tweet:
Government Funding Bill past last night in the House of Representatives.
Now Democrats are needed if it is to pass in the Senate - but they want illegal immigration and weak borders. Shutdown coming? We need more Republican victories in 2018!

If the Dems get exposed just one time shutting down the government, they
might decide to stop doing every single time the opportunity presents itself.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 19, 2018, 02:30:15 PM

Why President Trump's tax policy is so great for the USA. It also helps to explain why the Dow Jones average is now over 26,000.

quote
"Apple CEO Tim Cook groaned publicly on the matter a couple years ago: “When we bring it back [Apple’s cash], we will pay 35% federal tax and then a weighted average across the states that we're in, which is about 5%, so think of it as 40%. We've said at 40%, we're not going to bring it back until there's a fair rate. There's no debate about it.”

Groan and you shall receive. Corporate tax relief was delivered in the waning days of 2017. The corporate income tax rate was lowered to 21% from 35%.

An additional carrot was also on offer: The new tax law includes a one-time 15.5% income-tax rate applied to foreign cash and liquid assets.

The carrot, though, is backed with a stick: The new law requires corporations to pay the repatriation tax rate of 15.5% on cash and liquid assets. The tax must be paid whether or not the assets are repatriated.

Apple will pay. It expects to pay $38 billion to the U.S. Treasury just on its foreign holdings this year. The amount will likely be the largest of its kind. No one at Apple groans, though. CEO Cook is practically giddy.

Cook said that Apple will commit $350 billion to the U.S. economy (specifics conventionally undefined) over the next five years. Cook expects Apple to inject $55 billion into the U.S. economy over the course of 2018. Twenty-thousand new Apple jobs are part of the mix."

Source: Income and Prosperity blog.

Apple’s Next Dividend:
It Could Be Huge

By: Stephen Mauzy
Friday, January 19, 2018

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 20, 2018, 09:06:22 PM

The Obama Administration’s ‘Brazen Plot To Exonerate Hillary Clinton’ Starting To Leak Out, According To Former Fed Prosecutor

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2018/01/20/obama-administration-plot-exonerate-hillary/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 22, 2018, 02:01:58 PM

I think my dogs a Democrat.
Funny song, but pretty much spot on

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 22, 2018, 03:20:28 PM

Day 3 of the Federal Government shutdown. This will either win Republican votes or we're going to Hell in a hand basket.

FOX NEWS FIRST: Government shutdown enters Day 3; Texts suggest Clinton exoneration in email probe was fixed

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/22/fox-news-first-government-shutdown-enters-day-3-texts-suggest-clinton-exoneration-in-email-probe-was-fixed.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 22, 2018, 03:38:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 22, 2018, 03:20:28 PM

Day 3 of the Federal Government shutdown. This will either win Republican votes or we're going to Hell in a hand basket.

FOX NEWS FIRST: Government shutdown enters Day 3; Texts suggest Clinton exoneration in email probe was fixed

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/22/fox-news-first-government-shutdown-enters-day-3-texts-suggest-clinton-exoneration-in-email-probe-was-fixed.html

There was an agreement made today

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 22, 2018, 03:46:51 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 22, 2018, 03:38:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 22, 2018, 03:20:28 PM
Day 3 of the Federal Government shutdown. This will either win Republican votes or we're going to Hell in a hand basket.

FOX NEWS FIRST: Government shutdown enters Day 3; Texts suggest Clinton exoneration in email probe was fixed

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/22/fox-news-first-government-shutdown-enters-day-3-texts-suggest-clinton-exoneration-in-email-probe-was-fixed.html

There was an agreement made today

It will be short lived. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 22, 2018, 04:58:06 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 22, 2018, 03:46:51 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on January 22, 2018, 03:38:20 PM
Quote from: Confederate on January 22, 2018, 03:20:28 PM
Day 3 of the Federal Government shutdown. This will either win Republican votes or we're going to Hell in a hand basket.

FOX NEWS FIRST: Government shutdown enters Day 3; Texts suggest Clinton exoneration in email probe was fixed

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/22/fox-news-first-government-shutdown-enters-day-3-texts-suggest-clinton-exoneration-in-email-probe-was-fixed.html

There was an agreement made today

It will be short lived. :coffeeread:

For the democrats this was an epic fail. They played their hand too soon they couldn't justify shutting down the government over the dreamers. And President Trump now knows the democrats are willing to make a deal which President Trump will get his wall.
This was a victory for republicans, at least for now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 22, 2018, 08:04:26 PM

As promised President Trump is putting America first.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2018/01/22/trump-imposes-tariffs-on-solar-panels-and-washing-machines-in-first-major-trade-action/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 23, 2018, 08:42:21 AM

Hannity reporting on Hillary. After watching this, one questions why President Trump is under investigation, when the Hillary cover up dwarfs any Russian interference.
This report is very informative and worth watching. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 23, 2018, 09:00:39 AM

According to this Harvard Harris poll, a high percentage of Americans are in agreement with President Trump.

https://www.numbersusa.com/news/harvard-poll-81-percent-all-voters-support-reducing-immigration-levels

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 23, 2018, 01:08:47 PM

It's time for the Trump administration to arrest these bleeding heart liberals, and enforce the laws that are continually ignored.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/01/23/team-trump-should-prosecute-california-attorney-general-who-wont-enforce-immigration-law.amp.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 24, 2018, 05:35:55 AM

Here's a few stats for you, Tom Cat..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating)

Who's doing the 'best' ? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 24, 2018, 09:15:50 AM

Some like President Trump telling it like it is.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/01/24/africa/uganda-museveni-comments-trump-trnd/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 24, 2018, 09:20:49 AM

The United States could benefit from the Trump tax plan from more foreign investment .

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2018/01/24/big-positive-surprise-coming-from-trump-tax-plan-ceos-say/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 24, 2018, 11:36:14 AM

If President Trump makes an effort to reach out to the blacks, and the unemployment rate for blacks continues to go down the Republican party might get more black votes
After all it was the Republican party that has been supporting blacks from the very beginning.

The inconvenient truth about the democrats.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 24, 2018, 05:33:54 PM

Chuck Schumer had some visitors at his home the other day. :chuckle:

These dreamers seem to think they are owed citizenship. I think it's better to deport the whole lot, and make them apply and go through the complete process.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/23/watch-dreamers-storm-schumers-new-york-city-home-demand-amnesty-now/amp/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 25, 2018, 05:47:42 PM

She skipped Switzerland to meet me instead. :8) :)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-lady-skips-davos-trump-visits-holocaust-museum-171432798.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 26, 2018, 11:56:07 AM

I thought this was a spoof page - it's not - its real!!

Who's the snowflake now?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-tells-theresa-may-he-wont-visit-uk-unless-she-bans-protests-1656638

Quote

Donald Trump is refusing to visit the UK unless Theresa May can ensure that he is not met with protests.

May told the US president that that was how the UK media operated and she could do little to change it.

Trump went on to say that he would not visit the UK unless there were guarantees that he would not be met with protests.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 26, 2018, 01:20:20 PM

Analysis: Right now, the Trump economy is blasting off

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/analysis-economy-stupid-now-trump-economy-blasting-off/story%3fid=52632659

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on January 27, 2018, 07:14:17 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 26, 2018, 11:56:07 AM

Who's the snowflake now?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-tells-theresa-may-he-wont-visit-uk-unless-she-bans-protests-1656638

How embarrassing for Americans having this guy at the helm. He should stick to visiting China, there the communists ensure no one gets out of line. The leader of the free world embracing dictators and communists, while avoiding non violent protesters.
Poor Donald, skin as thick as aluminum foil.
He won't be coming to Canada either, with his dumb policies against NAFTA. He has no problem throwing Americans out of work.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 27, 2018, 08:39:47 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on January 27, 2018, 07:14:17 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 26, 2018, 11:56:07 AM

Who's the snowflake now?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-tells-theresa-may-he-wont-visit-uk-unless-she-bans-protests-1656638

How embarrassing for Americans having this guy at the helm. He should stick to visiting China, there the communists ensure no one gets out of line. The leader of the free world embracing dictators and communists, while avoiding non violent protesters.
Poor Donald, skin as thick as aluminum foil.
He won't be coming to Canada either, with his dumb policies against NAFTA. He has no problem throwing Americans out of work.

RT is a bit more reliable source.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2018, 09:04:05 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on January 27, 2018, 07:14:17 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 26, 2018, 11:56:07 AM

Who's the snowflake now?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-tells-theresa-may-he-wont-visit-uk-unless-she-bans-protests-1656638

How embarrassing for Americans having this guy at the helm. He should stick to visiting China, there the communists ensure no one gets out of line. The leader of the free world embracing dictators and communists, while avoiding non violent protesters.
Poor Donald, skin as thick as aluminum foil.
He won't be coming to Canada either, with his dumb policies against NAFTA. He has no problem throwing Americans out of work.

What planet are you from? Planet Dumb-dumb?

Unemployment is way down, wages and bonuses are up and the stock market is at an all time high.

Foreign investors are clamoring to get back into the USA with Billions and Trillions of $$$$ to invest. :party0031:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2018, 11:19:26 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on January 27, 2018, 07:14:17 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 26, 2018, 11:56:07 AM

Who's the snowflake now?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-tells-theresa-may-he-wont-visit-uk-unless-she-bans-protests-1656638

How embarrassing for Americans having this guy at the helm. He should stick to visiting China, there the communists ensure no one gets out of line. The leader of the free world embracing dictators and communists, while avoiding non violent protesters.
Poor Donald, skin as thick as aluminum foil.
He won't be coming to Canada either, with his dumb policies against NAFTA. He has no problem throwing Americans out of work.

What’s wrong Cornhollio are you bitter?? :-*

Campbell Soup Announces Shutdown Of Canadian Plant, Will Move Production To US

https://www.upi.com/Campbell-Soup-to-close-Toronto-plant-move-production-to-US/4881516853596/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 27, 2018, 09:39:57 PM

Democrat nutter Maxine Waters will be delivering a National
address after Trumps state of the Union address. The GOP '
couldn't wish for a better person for people to identify as the
modern Democrat party. Couldn't they get Michael Moore too?

Unfortunately she won't be making the official democrat rebuttal
to Trumps speech that job is reserved for Joe Kennedy.

Maxine Waters Is Giving A National Address On BET After Trump’s State Of The Union
https://www.buzzfeed.com/darrensands/maxine-waters-is-giving-a-national-address-on-bet-after?utm_term=.qt5BBd0ak#.dweVVRvNj

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 27, 2018, 09:41:38 PM

Clinton thanks ‘activist bitches’ in bizarre video
“And let me just say, this is directed to the activist bitches supporting
bitches. So let’s go.”

https://nypost.com/2018/01/27/clinton-thanks-activist-bitches-in-bizarre-video/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 28, 2018, 02:52:21 PM

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27331722_1619528888095982_6653720401536067276_n.jpg?oh=8e9000857c7c2bab7f8cb1b1864a7f96&oe=5AE214A4)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 28, 2018, 02:59:14 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on January 27, 2018, 07:14:17 AM

How embarrassing for Americans having this guy at the helm.

As opposed to Justin Castro...er, "Trudeau"? Ever hear that guy talk? Those lips have tasted dick. The dude is a low-T numale who has no business lecturing anyone else on anything other than "Etiquette for Bottoms: How To Be Polite While Taking it in the Pooper".

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 28, 2018, 03:14:42 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 28, 2018, 02:59:14 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on January 27, 2018, 07:14:17 AM
How embarrassing for Americans having this guy at the helm.

As opposed to Justin Castro...er, "Trudeau"? Ever hear that guy talk? Those lips have tasted dick. The dude is a low-T numale who has no business lecturing anyone else on anything other than "Etiquette for Bottoms: How To Be Polite While Taking it in the Pooper".

B/B

Bram Stoker had similar loathings.

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 29, 2018, 02:47:14 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 28, 2018, 02:59:14 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on January 27, 2018, 07:14:17 AM
How embarrassing for Americans having this guy at the helm.

As opposed to Justin Castro...er, "Trudeau"? Ever hear that guy talk? Those lips have tasted dick. The dude is a low-T numale who has no business lecturing anyone else on anything other than "Etiquette for Bottoms: How To Be Polite While Taking it in the Pooper".

B/B

I’d take Trump over Justin every day and twice on Sunday.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 29, 2018, 08:22:05 AM

Quote from: rosco on January 29, 2018, 02:47:14 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 28, 2018, 02:59:14 PM
Quote from: Donhollio on January 27, 2018, 07:14:17 AM
How embarrassing for Americans having this guy at the helm.

As opposed to Justin Castro...er, "Trudeau"? Ever hear that guy talk? Those lips have tasted dick. The dude is a low-T numale who has no business lecturing anyone else on anything other than "Etiquette for Bottoms: How To Be Polite While Taking it in the Pooper".

B/B

I’d take Trump over Justin every day and twice on Sunday.

So now you’re telling us you’re a bottom? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 29, 2018, 05:55:31 PM

After the SOU on TV, Stormy Daniels will be on Jimmy Kimmel on ABC. She probably will be clothed. :evilgrin0002:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 30, 2018, 06:42:40 AM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 29, 2018, 05:55:31 PM

After the SOU on TV, Stormy Daniels will be on Jimmy Kimmel on ABC. She probably will be clothed. :evilgrin0002:

For others who didn't know who Stormy Daniels is, (I didn't
either but I do know how to type into a search engine)

I found some photos when I did a search. Apparently she is
somewhat of an Adult film star of the Good Will Humping saga.
She and Trump might have gone horizontal jogging and gland to
gland combat together according to some news reports.

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjY2/z/SrAAAOSwsW9Y1AA2/$_10.JPG?set_id=880000500F)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 30, 2018, 07:04:38 AM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180130/f1b5bf7b366c0defa677f72c7e850e8c.jpg)

Polar ice caps melting? I’m sacking them, cannot trust them to stay unmeltly. Sad!!

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 30, 2018, 10:12:27 AM

~~Global warming~~ Climate change is a myth.

It is a myth that Progressive governments use to garner more control over our everyday lives.

Polar bear populations have been INCREASING over the past 5 years.

Al Gore is a joke. He was afraid of ocean levels rising yet he builds a $9 million home right on the California coast and and pollutes the air in his private jet as he spans the globe getting paid to spew his nonsense.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 30, 2018, 11:35:06 AM

100% of the Democrats voted against the tax cut. They called it
Armageddon, a punch in the gut, and crumbs. Now they are starting
to sweat a bit as the economy and wages start growing for the first
time in over a decade.

Every bit of good news causes the Dems to make a face as if they
are passing a kidney stone. They have been telling silly lies that
will make them look like idiots if something bad doesn't happen
soon.

Economists agree: Trump, not Obama, gets credit for economy
http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/368904-economists-agree-trump-not-obama-gets-credit-for-economy

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 30, 2018, 01:13:35 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 30, 2018, 10:12:27 AM

~~Global warming~~ Climate change is a myth.

It is a myth that Progressive governments use to garner more control over our everyday lives.

Polar bear populations have been INCREASING over the past 5 years.

So the planet does what it does, and we've had glaciers before and the glaciers WILL come again. We do NOT have a static climate.

Beyond that, I'm a believer in having clean air and water for the sake of having clean air and water.

That said, you will get a kick out of this, Shakey, even though it's from a few years back:

Greenpeace Arctic Mission to Spotlight Polar Bears (http://www.enn.com/wildlife/article/4065)

LOS ANGELES — Two U.S. explorers plan to start a four-month summer expedition to the North Pole next month to gather information on the habitat of an animal they believe could be the first victim of global warming -- the polar bear.

Lonnie Dupre and Eric Larsen plan to travel 1,100 miles by foot and canoe over the Arctic Ocean to test the depth and density of the ice in summer in a mission sponsored by Greenpeace, the environmental group said Thursday.

According to some scientific predictions, the Arctic Ocean could become ice-free in the summer within a hundred years.

Polar bears cannot survive without sea ice and the U.S. government said in February it would consider whether the bears should be protected under the Endangered Species Act.

Unusually heavy snow and ice last year forced Dupre and Larsen to call off a similar mission, but they now plan to launch Project Thin Ice 2006 -- Saving the Polar Bear on May 1 from Canada, traveling to the North Pole and then back to Greenland.

. . . . .

:chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 30, 2018, 01:29:19 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 30, 2018, 01:13:35 PM

Unusually heavy snow and ice last year forced Dupre and Larsen to call off a similar mission, but they now plan to launch Project Thin Ice 2006 -- Saving the Polar Bear on May 1 from Canada, traveling to the North Pole and then back to Greenland.

They'll make a nice snack for any polar bear who might decide they're easier prey than a seal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on January 30, 2018, 01:36:54 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 30, 2018, 01:29:19 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 30, 2018, 01:13:35 PM
Unusually heavy snow and ice last year forced Dupre and Larsen to call off a similar mission, but they now plan to launch Project Thin Ice 2006 -- Saving the Polar Bear on May 1 from Canada, traveling to the North Pole and then back to Greenland.

They'll make a nice snack for any polar bear who might decide they're easier prey than a seal.

Maybe tempt this polar bear on some sort of faddy diet to impress lady polar bears...

(https://www.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/photography/PROOF/2017/December/starving_polar_bear/01-starving-polar-bear-CGM_Archimedes_2017_02072.ngsversion.1513002927381.adapt.1900.1.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 30, 2018, 04:08:28 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 30, 2018, 01:13:35 PM

Unusually heavy snow and ice last year forced Dupre and Larsen to call off a similar mission, but they now plan to launch Project Thin Ice 2006 -- Saving the Polar Bear on May 1 from Canada, traveling to the North Pole and then back to Greenland.

(https://pics.me.me/if-were-sinking-why-are-we-200-feet-in-theair-13060488.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 30, 2018, 04:11:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 30, 2018, 10:12:27 AM

~~Global warming~~ Climate change is a myth.

It is a myth that Progressive governments use to garner more control over our everyday lives.

Polar bear populations have been INCREASING over the past 5 years.

Al Gore is a joke. He was afraid of ocean levels rising yet he builds a $9 million home right on the California coast and and pollutes the air in his private jet as he spans the globe getting paid to spew his nonsense.

Unfortunately for all you yanks, climate change is very real. The only thing open for debate for me, if its man-made or a natural phenomena.

However, since the climate-change is a turn for the worst for human-kind, battling it seems to be a top-priority for you know, the human race as a whole.

Every consecutive year , Netherlands has set a heat-record for winter. Record warm temperatures, every year beating the year before.

We used to have a huge ice-skating event on natural ice, called '11 cities tour' .. now not even 1 of those 11 cities gets enough natural ice to skate on. Last time this event was held was over a decade ago and half of it was walking because there was no ice.

No, sorry. Its not a myth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 30, 2018, 04:17:28 PM

2 5-year gap graphs... notice anything different? Temp in the netherlands during winter,

First 1987 , then 2011 and 2016 graphs.

(https://www.wintergek.nl/images/winter/1987/winter_1987_nederland_temperatuur.png)
(http://www.wintersportweerman.nl/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/winter_2011_nederland_temperatuur-1.png)
(https://www.wintergek.nl/images/winter/2016/winter_2016_nederland_temperatuur.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 30, 2018, 04:36:47 PM

In my mind there is no doubt that the weather is changing.

I also am fairly certain human activities are accelerating or making worse these changes. But change is inevitable and I expect mankind will find ways to compensate for the changes.

For what it is worth the Elstedentocht that Markje notes had a period of no races from 1963 to 1985. It is a brutal race of over 100 miles over open terrain in the North of The Netherlands.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 30, 2018, 04:51:42 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on January 30, 2018, 04:36:47 PM

In my mind there is no doubt that the weather is changing.

I also am fairly certain human activities are accelerating or making worse these changes. But change is inevitable and I expect mankind will find ways to compensate for the changes.

For what it is worth the Elstedentocht that Markje notes had a period of no races from 1963 to 1985. It is a brutal race of over 100 miles over open terrain in the North of The Netherlands.

Here's all the ones listed... please note when the last one was.

2.1 1909
2.2 1912
2.3 1917
2.4 1929
2.5 1933
2.6 1940
2.7 1941
2.8 1942
2.9 1947
2.10 1954
2.11 1956
2.12 1963
2.13 1985
2.14 1986
2.15 1997

So they were held about 1ce or 2ce every decade until 1963.. it skipped a decade and then in 1997 there were no more.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 30, 2018, 06:26:09 PM

Quote from: Markje on January 30, 2018, 04:11:15 PM

The only thing open for debate for me, if its man-made or a natural phenomena.

It's both, but people don't understand that we don't live in a static climate. The Medieval Warm Period and the "Little Ice Age" weren't due to people driving gas guzzling cars. The planet does what the planet does. The Earth's revolution isn't circular and the Earth wobbles on its axis. It's all Milankovitch Cycles (http://www.indiana.edu/~geol105/images/gaia_chapter_4/milankovitch.htm).

Now, should we be pumping tons of bad shit into the air? :censored: no. Half the problem is, though, when libs have a point, they're still insufferable. Can't say "Hey, lets have clean air and water for the sake of having clean air and water," no...it's "CONSERVATIVES HATE THE ENVIRONMENT AND WANT TO RAPE MOTHER NATUUUUUUUUUURE!!!" Then they don't understand why they don't have any friends.... :ROFL:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 30, 2018, 07:07:26 PM

The Dow is down over 500 points in two days. The peak has been reached. The bear market has arrived. Remember 1987. :o :hidechair: :snivel: :scared0005:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2018, 08:23:13 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 30, 2018, 06:26:09 PM

Quote from: Markje on January 30, 2018, 04:11:15 PM
The only thing open for debate for me, if its man-made or a natural phenomena.

It's both, but people don't understand that we don't live in a static climate. The Medieval Warm Period and the "Little Ice Age" weren't due to people driving gas guzzling cars. The planet does what the planet does. The Earth's revolution isn't circular and the Earth wobbles on its axis. It's all Milankovitch Cycles (http://www.indiana.edu/~geol105/images/gaia_chapter_4/milankovitch.htm).

Now, should we be pumping tons of bad shit into the air? :censored: no. Half the problem is, though, when libs have a point, they're still insufferable. Can't say "Hey, lets have clean air and water for the sake of having clean air and water," no...it's "CONSERVATIVES HATE THE ENVIRONMENT AND WANT TO RAPE MOTHER NATUUUUUUUUUURE!!!" Then they don't understand why they don't have any friends.... :ROFL:

B/B

Meanwhile Trump is killing it for the SOTU!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 30, 2018, 09:33:34 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 30, 2018, 08:23:13 PM

Meanwhile Trump is killing it for the SOTU!!

Pretty much. Not sure why Conan O'Brien is giving the Dem response. ;)

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 31, 2018, 01:22:12 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 30, 2018, 09:33:34 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 30, 2018, 08:23:13 PM
Meanwhile Trump is killing it for the SOTU!!

Pretty much. Not sure why Conan O'Brien is giving the Dem response. ;)

B/B

And I thought he was Ronald McDonald! What do I know. Either way Dems keep putting up clowns. :ROFL:

Did you see Schumer with constipated look? ????????????

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 31, 2018, 04:19:37 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 31, 2018, 01:22:12 AM

Did you see Schumer with constipated look? ????????????

Or Nancy Pelosi's lemon sucker look?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU1yMcUUMAAJZr9.jpg)

Here is the Dems response to the lowest black employment of all time.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU1d5cpXcAAQlEx.jpg)

(https://twitter.com/WayneDupreeShow/status/958527634786439168/photo/1)

They haven't been this upset since slavery was eliminated by the GOP

How many times did CBS ask people if Obama's speech scared them.
Who are these snowflakes?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU1-cvmW0AABnKN?format=jpg&name=medium)

Bernie Sanders response had technical difficulties, just wanted people
to know what would happen if we lived in a socialist society
(https://static.pjmedia.com/video/user-content/54/files/2018/01/Screen-Shot-2018-01-30-at-11.06.40-PM.sized-770x415xc.png)

CNN speculates
CNN Speculates Melania Wearing White to Protest Her Husbandhttps://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2018/01/30/facts-first-cnn-speculates-melania-wearing-white-protest-her

Michelle Obama is obviously protesting here
(http://images.politico.com/global/2012/03/120322_michelle_fashion1_605.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 31, 2018, 08:12:45 AM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 30, 2018, 07:07:26 PM

The Dow is down over 500 points in two days. The peak has been reached. The bear market has arrived. Remember 1987. :o :hidechair: :snivel: :scared0005:

Hardly.

That was just some profit-taking based on a major banks report that the tax cut may work TOO well driving up inflation and forcing the fed to raise interest rates quicker than planned. If this happens EVENTUALLY there will be a hard landing; but this drop is not it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on January 31, 2018, 08:16:08 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 30, 2018, 09:33:34 PM

Pretty much. Not sure why Conan O'Brien is giving the Dem response. ;)

Actually, the Dems are supposed to give 5 different responses. Congressman Kennedy gave a whiny far left "official" Dem response. Maxine Waters was supposed to give the black caucus Dem response sometime today. With Black unemployment at its lowest rate in history I'm really wondering what she has to complain about?

And what was that shit all over Kennedy's lips?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on January 31, 2018, 09:05:55 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 31, 2018, 08:16:08 AM

Quote from: B.B. on January 30, 2018, 09:33:34 PM
Pretty much. Not sure why Conan O'Brien is giving the Dem response. ;)

Actually, the Dems are supposed to give 5 different responses. Congressman Kennedy gave a whiny far left "official" Dem response. Maxine Waters was supposed to give the black caucus Dem response sometime today. With Black unemployment at its lowest rate in history I'm really wondering what she has to complain about?

And what was that shit all over Kennedy's lips?

Not enough black CEOs

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 31, 2018, 10:02:54 AM

Quote from: yankee on January 31, 2018, 09:05:55 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 31, 2018, 08:16:08 AM
Quote from: B.B. on January 30, 2018, 09:33:34 PM
Pretty much. Not sure why Conan O'Brien is giving the Dem response. ;)

Actually, the Dems are supposed to give 5 different responses. Congressman Kennedy gave a whiny far left "official" Dem response. Maxine Waters was supposed to give the black caucus Dem response sometime today. With Black unemployment at its lowest rate in history I'm really wondering what she has to complain about?

And what was that shit all over Kennedy's lips?

Not enough black CEOs

Are whites supposed to give those positions to blacks on a silver platter like they get Federal jobs?

They can earn it like Herman Cain, Daymond John, etc.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on January 31, 2018, 10:09:55 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on January 31, 2018, 04:19:37 AM

Quote from: Confederate on January 31, 2018, 01:22:12 AM

Did you see Schumer with constipated look? ????????????

Or Nancy Pelosi's lemon sucker look?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU1yMcUUMAAJZr9.jpg)

Here is the Dems response to the lowest black employment of all time.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU1d5cpXcAAQlEx.jpg)

(https://twitter.com/WayneDupreeShow/status/958527634786439168/photo/1)

They haven't been this upset since slavery was eliminated by the GOP

How many times did CBS ask people if Obama's speech scared them.
Who are these snowflakes?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DU1-cvmW0AABnKN?format=jpg&name=medium)

Bernie Sanders response had technical difficulties, just wanted people
to know what would happen if we lived in a socialist society
(https://static.pjmedia.com/video/user-content/54/files/2018/01/Screen-Shot-2018-01-30-at-11.06.40-PM.sized-770x415xc.png)

CNN speculates
CNN Speculates Melania Wearing White to Protest Her Husbandhttps://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2018/01/30/facts-first-cnn-speculates-melania-wearing-white-protest-her

Michelle Obama is obviously protesting here
(http://images.politico.com/global/2012/03/120322_michelle_fashion1_605.jpg)

Correction: lowest black UNemployment of all time.

No doubt Dems are upset that Trump’s economic successes may cause more blacks to leave the Dem plantation. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 31, 2018, 10:42:14 AM

Latest rumors are HR McMaster will have a lot to answer for in the coming weeks
.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 31, 2018, 11:00:42 AM

Trump's solar tariff gamble pays off – for now

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/01/31/trump-solar-tariff-scores-a-big-win-commentary.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 31, 2018, 11:46:36 AM

Quote from: shakespear on January 31, 2018, 08:16:08 AM

And what was that shit all over Kennedy's lips?

He was drooling

(https://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Screen-Shot-2018-01-30-at-9.16.07-PM-1024x683.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 31, 2018, 05:48:43 PM

https://apnews.com/84c1e87a95864eada5ede4688a57a93a/No,-that-wasn%27t-drool-on-his-lips,-Rep-Joe-Kennedy-says

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on February 01, 2018, 02:22:12 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 30, 2018, 01:36:54 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 30, 2018, 01:29:19 PM
Quote from: B.B. on January 30, 2018, 01:13:35 PM
Unusually heavy snow and ice last year forced Dupre and Larsen to call off a similar mission, but they now plan to launch Project Thin Ice 2006 -- Saving the Polar Bear on May 1 from Canada, traveling to the North Pole and then back to Greenland.

They'll make a nice snack for any polar bear who might decide they're easier prey than a seal.

Maybe tempt this polar bear on some sort of faddy diet to impress lady polar bears...

(https://www.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/photography/PROOF/2017/December/starving_polar_bear/01-starving-polar-bear-CGM_Archimedes_2017_02072.ngsversion.1513002927381.adapt.1900.1.jpg)

I read an article countering claims in the media that this bear was starving due to climatic conditions. So called "bear experts" have confirmed that this particular bear, which had been used to emotionally upset viewers, was an older bear that is likely suffering from injury or age related illness.

This happens in nature and posting a photo pf a skinny elephant isn't likely to encourage me to subscribe to a full on green peace membership.

I do actually believe that humans are having an effect on the health of the earth and I agree we need to manage our emissions and waste much better. A photo of the rubbish floating in the seas would turn my stomach before this picture of the bear, and I'm an animal lover.

That said, I was taught as a boy that we go in and out of ice ages over a period of hundreds/thousands of years, and within these movements there are microscopic variances. The reality is, the earths temperature is forever changing and any fuzzy thinking liberal hoping to use short term data or images like the above to fuel their agenda, needs shot on the spot.

Poor bear though....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 01, 2018, 10:05:31 AM

Trump claimed viewership of his speech on Tuesday was the highest viewership for a SOTU speech in history.

{sigh}

It was a great speech however I wish he'd quit lying about things that can easily be proven false.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 01, 2018, 10:19:39 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 01, 2018, 10:05:31 AM

Trump claimed viewership of his speech on Tuesday was the highest viewership for a SOTU speech in history.

{sigh}

It was a great speech however I wish he'd quit lying about things that can easily be proven false.

Barry's last two SOTU speeches are about 40% lower. Self promoters often
brag a little too much.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on February 01, 2018, 10:32:21 AM

Quote from: Ste on January 30, 2018, 01:36:54 PM

Quote from: shakespear on January 30, 2018, 01:29:19 PM
Quote from: B.B. on January 30, 2018, 01:13:35 PM
Unusually heavy snow and ice last year forced Dupre and Larsen to call off a similar mission, but they now plan to launch Project Thin Ice 2006 -- Saving the Polar Bear on May 1 from Canada, traveling to the North Pole and then back to Greenland.

They'll make a nice snack for any polar bear who might decide they're easier prey than a seal.

Maybe tempt this polar bear on some sort of faddy diet to impress lady polar bears...

(https://www.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/photography/PROOF/2017/December/starving_polar_bear/01-starving-polar-bear-CGM_Archimedes_2017_02072.ngsversion.1513002927381.adapt.1900.1.jpg)

I suspect the polar bear is molting (loosing its fur) in May or June (look at the flowers in the background) this is the time when they are there thinest and most gaunt after the conclusion of the artic winter.

But I suspect that there habitat is under threat from further development and changes in the climate. In the 70's there was a cry that in less than ten years after the Alaskan pipeline they would be extinct. I seems they are still around.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 01, 2018, 10:44:27 AM

Free the nipple
The skanky women in the case are definitely not somebody who you
would like to see topless.

New Hampshire’s highest court hears topless beachgoers’ case
https://apnews.com/9da4dbb74c794262a9439b60dc3f7de8/New-Hampshire's-highest-court-will-hear-topless-case

Warning those without strong gag reflexes should skip the photos below!
Don't look at these photos during lunch!

In the past they had to hire a girl that looked good or the reporters
and camera's wouldn't show up. Now they are in court so they just
have the crones.

Heidi Lilley
(http://www.concordmonitor.com/getattachment/80ded940-ad31-4565-bf20-ff25c166f14e/FreeNipples-cm-060316-ph1)

(https://images.enca.com/encadrupal/styles/600_383/s3/topless.jpg)

(http://www.fosters.com/storyimage/FD/20161122/NEWS/161129823/AR/0/AR-161129823.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 01, 2018, 11:34:16 AM

This is not about how attractive, or otherwise, one might think a woman is but whether women should be free to be topless.

I sincerely hope that you would not suggest some kind of attractiveness index under which women you, or an approved proxy, vetted women as to whether their breasts were sufficiently pert to be seen topless.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 01, 2018, 12:07:23 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 01, 2018, 11:34:16 AM

This is not about how attractive, or otherwise, one might think a woman is but whether women should be free to be topless.

I'm with you 100% on this one FiFi

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 01, 2018, 01:23:44 PM

Just watched all 5+ minutes of Representative Maxine Waters's (CA-43rd) response on the BET network.

Typical progressive liberal dogma . . . . . .

except she really had me laughing when she suggested that any time Trump appears on television there ought to be a "parental warning" on the screen saying this broadcast is not suitable for children.

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 01, 2018, 03:14:19 PM

Rep. Brenda Lawrence (D-MI) got busted for playing 'Candy Crush' (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/01/democratic-congresswoman-caught-playing-candy-crush-during-sotu.html) during the SOTU.

What an idiot.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 02, 2018, 10:22:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 01, 2018, 11:34:16 AM

This is not about how attractive, or otherwise, one might think a woman is but whether women should be free to be topless.

My point was that the only women who want to go topless in the
USA are women that nobody wants to see topless.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 02, 2018, 01:15:00 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 01, 2018, 03:14:19 PM

Rep. Brenda Lawrence (D-MI) got busted for playing 'Candy Crush' (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/01/democratic-congresswoman-caught-playing-candy-crush-during-sotu.html) during the SOTU.

What an idiot.

B/B

Yes but she probably looked happy as opposed to prune faces on Schumer and Pelosi.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 02, 2018, 01:19:05 PM

I haven’t read it yet...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/02/02/breaking-house-intelligence-releases-the-memo-n2441253

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 02, 2018, 07:57:29 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 02, 2018, 01:19:05 PM

I haven’t read it yet...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2018/02/02/breaking-house-intelligence-releases-the-memo-n2441253

What say you about this memo B/B??

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Crusader on February 02, 2018, 09:27:13 PM

Did you say TRUMP! ?

We were singing this on election night!

Yeah, be the realest shit I never wrote
I ain't write this by the way, nigga
Some real shit right here, nigga
This'll be the realest shit you ever quote. Let's go!

[Hook]
My president is Trump, we stumped those Jews
And I'd be goddamned if we fell for Cruz
There's illegals in my yard, blacks filling up the jails
Time to build a wall send the Mexicans to hell
My president is Trump, we stumped those Jews
And I'd be goddamned if we fell for Cruz
We will put the muds and globalists in their place
time for White folks to stand up for their race
Let's go!

[Verse 1]
Today was a good day, and I'll have me a great night
my people said enough and elected a great White
this nation will stay white, the Zionist plan failed
Trump rose in the polls, and hooknoses got pale
the Hillary camp was frail
she supposed to be in prison
but as long as you obey ZOG, they make you a politician
Jews robbed all of us...would that make 'em criminals?
they've subverted our media
control us with subliminals
Trump said and I quote, "Make America great again"
We the greatest of nations and, we can't even pay the rent
repeal refugee visas, I'll turn the table like Jesus
on those greedy hooknoses, say :censored: you Allah
Mr. Art of the Deal, vs."Mrs. Should be a convict"
But Trump is the wild card, don't that sound like some dumb shit?
We used to die over crude oil black as De Blasio's wife
since the Balfour declaration, we've shed blood for the kikes
Catch me in Las Vegas, Texas and Arizona
After the wall's erected we'll take back Commiefornia
Winnin' in Tennessee, hands down Atlanta
Landslide Alabama, on my way to Savannah

[Hook]

[Verse 2]
Woke up next morning, to a wall this big
And they thought I was kidding but it was payed by the spics
no more raping wetbacks coming in by the boatloads
instead we sic them ICE boys on those cholos
Love me some deportation, I'm addicted to borders
Raise the number of Whites, we don't need any foreigners
make great deals with China, bankrupt a few coroners
putting nigs in their place repair Detroit and New Orleans
Did it for my white kin, brought out Mike Pence
It's all love, Pepe, and my altright friends
You know how the Don be, that nigga gon' speak his mind
Just ask Megyn Kelly or Rosie that fat swine
Globalists robbed us blind, they're a danger to mankind
We ready for damn change so y'all let the man shine
Pissin' on Martin Luther, the White man is King
Even that was Jews talking when he said he had a dream

[Hook]

[Verse 3]
Yeah, our history, White history
No nonwhite ever did shit for me
Had to hit the streets, lay bricks and bleed
So the country won't go broke
Then they bring in immigrants so the Dems can gain votes
And they spend dough on Hillaryyy Clinton
She ain't a politician, that ho's a prosti--tician
My emperor is Trump, rose golden chestplate
take down kike media like Hulk Hogan's sextape
millions of people got it drilled in you're evil
They couldn't kill your ego, we've got white children to feed, so
Gotta take the Mexicans and send them where they came from
for the globalists we'll find some lamp posts to hang from
and the altright will make sure you'll never be
For whatever fee or publicity, forced to lose your integrity
For decades we've had Israel firsters, cuckolds and moderates
no establishment puppet, Trump the realest nigga in politics
:censored: a Black President, yo, Obama was a shill
They should put his face on the hundred Shekel bill

[Hook]

[Outro]
So I’m sittin right here now, man
It’s November 9th, haha, 2:08 AM
Listening to Fash the Nation
Man, we congratulate you, homie
See you motivate Whites all over the world!
You motivate us, brother, that’s what it is
America first policy, send them special interests packing
Yeah, first non cucked president, in ages nigga
Haha, matter of fact, you the God Emperor
Shouts out to David Duke, homie
We're taking our countries back, this is just the beginning
White people ain't goin' nowhere
the alt-right ain't goin' nowhere either
secure the existence of our race or die tryin'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Crusader on February 02, 2018, 09:29:29 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on February 02, 2018, 10:22:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 01, 2018, 11:34:16 AM
This is not about how attractive, or otherwise, one might think a woman is but whether women should be free to be topless.

My point was that the only women who want to go topless in the
USA are women that nobody wants to see topless.

So true!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Crusader on February 02, 2018, 09:34:14 PM

What? Why YES! I'm a Confederate! An Atomic Confederate!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 04, 2018, 08:42:13 PM

Assange thinks Comey might be schizophrenic.

Julian Assange ⌛
@JulianAssange
James Comey, master of logic: FISA memo is nothing -- and also the destroyer of worlds.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/conservativetribune.com/assange-pulls-rug-from-comey/amp/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 04, 2018, 09:11:53 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 04, 2018, 08:42:13 PM

Assange thinks Comey might be schizophrenic.

Julian Assange ⌛
@JulianAssange
James Comey, master of logic: FISA memo is nothing -- and also the destroyer of worlds.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/conservativetribune.com/assange-pulls-rug-from-comey/amp/

https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/859872754493001729?s=17

Title: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 05, 2018, 08:40:52 AM

Trump opens his trap and out comes shite - again..

President Trump: NHS 'going broke and not working’

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42943768

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on February 05, 2018, 10:16:13 AM

Quote from: Ste on February 05, 2018, 08:40:52 AM

Trump opens his trap and out comes shite - again..

President Trump: NHS 'going broke and not working’

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42943768

Actually that's the plain and simple truth...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 05, 2018, 02:50:26 PM

There is definitely something wrong with Nancy Pelosi. ???

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on February 05, 2018, 04:00:16 PM

Quote from: Ste on February 05, 2018, 08:40:52 AM

Trump opens his trap and out comes shite - again..

President Trump: NHS 'going broke and not working’

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42943768

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Eh isn’t that kinda where it’s headed without reform?

More salty tears I see.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 05, 2018, 04:13:46 PM

Quote from: rosco on February 05, 2018, 04:00:16 PM

Quote from: Ste on February 05, 2018, 08:40:52 AM
Trump opens his trap and out comes shite - again..

President Trump: NHS 'going broke and not working’

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42943768

.

Eh isn’t that kinda where it’s headed without reform?

More salty tears I see.

Be reet!

Its not failing but is being failed. You only have to look here in Ireland to see what happens when you try to monetarise a basic human right. Hope it diesnt happen in UK. Hopefully any reforms will be to ring fence it, or else it will be NI oaymrnts still, surcharges, second tier cover too and non-subsidised presciptions.

I’ve had enough here, tax etc is crippling, I’m UK bound again!

Pint of Heavy?

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on February 05, 2018, 04:26:43 PM

Quote from: Ste on February 05, 2018, 04:13:46 PM

Quote from: rosco on February 05, 2018, 04:00:16 PM
Quote from: Ste on February 05, 2018, 08:40:52 AM
Trump opens his trap and out comes shite - again..

President Trump: NHS 'going broke and not working’

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42943768

.

Eh isn’t that kinda where it’s headed without reform?

More salty tears I see.

Be reet!

Its not failing but is being failed. You only have to look here in Ireland to see what happens when you try to monetarise a basic human right. Hope it diesnt happen in UK. Hopefully any reforms will be to ring fence it, or else it will be NI oaymrnts still, surcharges, second tier cover too and non-subsidised presciptions.

I’ve had enough here, tax etc is crippling, I’m UK bound again!

Pint of Heavy?

.

Yea.....me, you & Vova? :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 05, 2018, 05:15:47 PM

Big cannon for Mr Trump!

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180206/6d2687702de16fa1df98c38bbf4cf2d7.jpg)

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 05, 2018, 05:53:43 PM

Quote from: Ste on February 05, 2018, 05:15:47 PM

Big cannon for Mr Trump!

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180206/6d2687702de16fa1df98c38bbf4cf2d7.jpg)

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What is the dow joans?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on February 05, 2018, 06:26:04 PM

Get out of the market before it is too late.......

And let me pick up all of the shattered pieces. :)

Quote

What is the dow joans?

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on February 05, 2018, 06:39:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on January 27, 2018, 09:04:05 AM

. . . and the stock market is at an all time high.

Quote from: shakespear on January 31, 2018, 08:12:45 AM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 30, 2018, 07:07:26 PM
The Dow is down over 500 points in two days. The peak has been reached. The bear market has arrived. Remember 1987. :o :hidechair: :snivel: :scared0005:

Hardly.

That was just some profit-taking based on a major banks report that the tax cut may work TOO well driving up inflation and forcing the fed to raise interest rates quicker than planned. If this happens EVENTUALLY there will be a hard landing; but this drop is not it.

So where are we today?

For what it is worth there are international firms that are reconsidering since 2017 further investments in North America.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 05, 2018, 08:03:54 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 05, 2018, 06:26:04 PM

Get out of the market before it is too late.......

And let me pick up all of the shattered pieces. :)

Quote
What is the dow joans?
:ROFL:

The professionals love corrections and are licking their chops as the ~~AvHdb’s~~ chicken little’s of the World panic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on February 05, 2018, 09:01:25 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 05, 2018, 08:03:54 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 05, 2018, 06:26:04 PM
Get out of the market before it is too late.......

And let me pick up all of the shattered pieces. :)

Quote
What is the dow joans?
:ROFL:

The professionals love corrections and are licking their chops as the ~~AvHdb’s~~ chicken little’s of the World panic.

Proper portfolio diversification is like the harness of a roller coaster: it holds you in the car on the lows and it keeps your butt in the seat on the highs.

But it's also fun to listen to the dooms-dayers prophetize the end times as the rest of us 'profitize' them. :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 05, 2018, 09:15:40 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 05, 2018, 08:03:54 PM

The professionals love corrections and are licking their chops as the ~~AvHdb’s~~ chicken little’s of the World panic.

Most money I ever made in the market was buying stocks 30 minutes
before the close on Black Monday 1987.

Stock prices are a direct function of earnings which remain strong. Now
that all the margin speculators are out as well as the computer traders you
should be buying stocks at discount prices.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Gipsy on February 05, 2018, 10:32:45 PM

Buy low, sell high springs to mind... :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 06, 2018, 02:18:24 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 05, 2018, 05:53:43 PM

What is the dow joans?

That's the President showing everyone that he uses the voice recognition function on his phone. He may have started after "Covfefe".

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 06, 2018, 05:57:08 AM

They’re calling it ‘Orange Monday’ now...

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 06, 2018, 07:54:07 AM

Quote from: Gipsy on February 05, 2018, 10:32:45 PM

Buy low, sell high springs to mind... :coffeeread:

No kidding!

I usually send $542 each month as an IRA contribution to meet
my annual maximum of $6500. I just put the next four months
worth of contributions in the mail today.

What a FANTASTIC buying opportunity!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 06, 2018, 08:15:47 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on February 05, 2018, 05:53:43 PM

What is the dow joans?

Warning not politically correct humor, the perpetually
offended should not read the rest of the post.

She's a nice Italian girl from New York named Joan.
Her nickname was Wop Joan not Dow Joan although
her father did offer a nice dowry for anyone who would
agree to marry her. She has a rather large nose
(and a small mustache) her stracciatella soup is to die
for. She still remains single to this day.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 06, 2018, 08:24:26 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 05, 2018, 09:15:40 PM

Stock prices are a direct function of earnings which remain strong. Now that all the margin speculators are out as well as the computer traders you should be buying stocks at discount prices.

That *twa*t twit Janet Yellen has been trying to talk
down the market and the economy and wants to increase
interest rates AND sell off all the quantitative easing that
the Fed did to prop up the Obama super slow recovery of
low paying part time jobs and no growth.

Yellen fears bubble as stock market sees sharp decline
https://nypost.com/2018/02/05/yellen-fears-bubble-as-stock-market-sees-sharp-decline/

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/65818217/im-an-idiot.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump Yet Another Unforced Error
Post by: shakespear on February 06, 2018, 10:43:29 AM

{sigh}

Calling Democrats who didn't applaud during his speech "treasonous" and "un-patriotic"

Put that down in the scorecard as yet another "unforced error".

>:(

Title: Re: President Trump Yet Another Unforced Error
Post by: B.B. on February 06, 2018, 10:57:24 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 06, 2018, 10:43:29 AM

{sigh}

Calling Democrats who didn't applaud during his speech "treasonous" and "un-patriotic"

Put that down in the scorecard as yet another "unforced error".

>:(

It's Trumpian Hyperbole. Ya gotta take the bad with the good.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump Yet Another Unforced Error
Post by: shakespear on February 06, 2018, 12:08:42 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 06, 2018, 10:57:24 AM

It's Trumpian Hyperbole. Ya gotta take the bad with the good.
B/B

True that . . . . . . .

however he's the President of the United States . . . . .

he shouldn't publicly give a damn if they clap or not . . . . . .

:nod:

Title: Re: President Trump Yet Another Unforced Error
Post by: Contrarian on February 06, 2018, 02:03:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 06, 2018, 12:08:42 PM

Quote from: B.B. on February 06, 2018, 10:57:24 AM
It's Trumpian Hyperbole. Ya gotta take the bad with the good.
B/B

True that . . . . . . .

however he's the President of the United States . . . . .

he shouldn't publicly give a damn if they clap or not . . . . . .

:nod:

You lie! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 06, 2018, 02:59:45 PM

Dow Jones closes UP 567 points.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/theres-genuine-carnage-out-there-asian-markets-tumble-early-mirroring-dows-decline/2018/02/06/95e75e78-0ab7-11e8-998c-96deb18cca19_story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 07, 2018, 09:23:13 AM

Hey Ste,

The Dow Joans Tweet was FAKE NEWS !

It must be true...The Beeb says so ;)

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-42959655 (http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-42959655)

"No, Trump did not tweet 'Dow Joans' "

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 07, 2018, 12:32:23 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 07, 2018, 09:23:13 AM

Hey Ste,

The Dow Joans Tweet was FAKE NEWS !

It must be true...The Beeb says so ;)

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-42959655 (http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-42959655)

"No, Trump did not tweet 'Dow Joans' "

Course it was, theres now about an 80% chance everything is now, saw it was fake on FB two days ago, but suspected it was anyway, fauxes pas like that just dont happen!

Might as well post it though...

Who’s got the proper Donald Trump twitter account anyway? Ie why is he the realDonaldTrump?

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 08, 2018, 03:19:16 PM

Another fall, thats because of Obama for sure

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 12, 2018, 03:20:55 PM

Dow Jones up 400 points.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/328684002

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on February 12, 2018, 05:51:19 PM

Quote

“The President of the United States just called you a liar.”

http://time.com/5143589/rob-porter-ex-wife-trump-domestic-violence/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on February 12, 2018, 11:58:45 PM

Record tax cut and the first month of it there was a record collection of revenue and a surplus.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/feds-collect-record-taxes-first-month-under-tax-cut-run-surplus

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 13, 2018, 01:04:39 AM

Christ!

https://www.cnsnews.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 13, 2018, 08:01:45 AM

I REALLY liked the part in Trump's Budget where SNAP people would lose 1/2 of their cash payment and have it replaced by an actual food package (of comparable value to what was lost) containing healthy products grown by American farmers. Give them a bunch of chicken, beef, pork, vegetables, fruits, pasta, cereal, etc instead of allowing them to buy Doritos and Mountain Dew!

Such an idea would drastically reduce waste, fraud and abuse in the food stamp system and lead people toward a healthier lifestyle.

But I'm afraid the Democrats will NEVER buy into that >:(

I can hear them now - "we can't demean these people by making them wait in line for actual healthy food like they're in a soup kitchen"

Title: Re: Building The Wall
Post by: shakespear on February 13, 2018, 09:31:08 AM

Building the wall becomes more urgent when you look and what is happening in Venezuela right now. Mass exodus of starving people desperate to escape the "paradise of socialism'. Hyper-inflation there has forced an estimated 600,000 Venezuelan citizens to cross over into Columbia so far - at least another 250,000 are expected to join them in the coming months.

You don't think they're going to stop in Columbia do you?

They're going to keep heading north.

We need the wall NOW!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 13, 2018, 09:41:40 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 13, 2018, 08:01:45 AM

I REALLY liked the part in Trump's Budget where SNAP people would lose 1/2 of their cash payment and have it replaced by an equal value of actual food package of healthy products grown by American farmers. Give them a bunch of chicken, beef, pork, vegetables, fruits, pasta, cereal, etc instead of allowing them to buy Doritos and Juicy Juice!

Such an idea would drastically reduce waste fraud and abuse and lead people toward a healthier lifestyle.

But I'm afraid the Democrats will NEVER buy into that >:(

I can hear them now - "we can't demean these people by making them wait in line for actual healthy food like they're in a soup kitchen"

Instead of bitching about what the Democrats would or would not do, you should get informed.

https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/tefap/pfs-tefap.pdf

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 13, 2018, 09:59:42 AM

Am I seriously listening to the descendants of migrants who bumped off most of the indigenous people of America - saying. " we need to keep 'em out .." ?!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 13, 2018, 11:25:19 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 13, 2018, 09:59:42 AM

Am I seriously listening to the descendants of migrants who bumped off most of the indigenous people of America - saying. " we need to keep 'em out .." ?!

In my case, yep.

This is a new era. Immigration needs to be based on merit. Look at the mess Germany and Sweden and even Great Britain have gotten themselves into by allowing "open borders" immigration! Australia has successfully implemented a similar a merit based immigration program and they're a country of immigrants as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 13, 2018, 11:28:37 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 13, 2018, 09:41:40 AM

Instead of bitching about what the Democrats would or would not do, you should get informed.

https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/tefap/pfs-tefap.pdf

Not at all the same thing that President Trump proposed Monday.

This is the distribution of excess USDA commodities such as butter and cheese.

Trumps proposal was to make it mandatory for people receiving SNAP to receive actual food instead of a government check for 50% of their benefit. They'd go to a grocery store and get a box of food depending on how many people they were feeding and a small cash allowance on their SNAP "credit card".

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-wants-cut-back-food-133500122.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 13, 2018, 11:46:42 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 13, 2018, 11:28:37 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 13, 2018, 09:41:40 AM
Instead of bitching about what the Democrats would or would not do, you should get informed.

https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/tefap/pfs-tefap.pdf

Not at all the same thing that President Trump proposed Monday.

This is the distribution of excess USDA commodities such as butter and cheese.

Trumps proposal was to make it mandatory for people receiving SNAP to receive actual food instead of a government check for 50% of their benefit. They'd go to a grocery store and get a box of food depending on how many people they were feeding and a small cash allowance on their SNAP "credit card".

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-wants-cut-back-food-133500122.html

The coalition of grocery stores will not be happy with this. I predict it will not fly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 13, 2018, 12:48:24 PM

Trump orders the IRS to cut regulations and they do.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2018/02/13/trump-triggers-irs-cut-298-tax-regulations.amp.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on February 13, 2018, 12:53:53 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 13, 2018, 09:59:42 AM

Am I seriously listening to the descendants of migrants who bumped off most of the indigenous people of America - saying. " we need to keep 'em out .." ?!

Have you heard the expression, move with the times? You do understand that the world is a very different place all these centuries later?

I agree, from a far it seems to be a bit hypocritical but the reality is, civilisation has moved through many eras and the world today is very different to that of the past. It's easy to let your feelings/emotions run with this particular theme but Shakey is right, borders and immigration are there to primarily keep a state from failing (think services) and secondly national security.

Are you seriously suggesting that back in the days of cowboys and Indians, schooling, health care, infrastructure, welfare or the simple things like garbage collection needed managed to the same extent? Let me guess, you're also one of those blokes who feel white guilt for what our ancestors did in a world where exploration, exploitation and early trade meant it was a brutal time for the weak? It doesn't make it right but thats humanity for you and little has changed other than the clothes it wears.

You're a lefty Moby but you don't yet know it. Debate with reason and you'll get a sensible discussion. Shit out emotional one liners and you'll get called out. I assume you expect the USA to take in everyone because of stuff that happened back in the day?

I assume you want common sense, order and organisation to be shoved to the back and feelings to the front?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 13, 2018, 02:02:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 13, 2018, 11:25:19 AM

Quote from: msmoby on February 13, 2018, 09:59:42 AM
Am I seriously listening to the descendants of migrants who bumped off most of the indigenous people of America - saying. " we need to keep 'em out .." ?!

In my case, yep.

This is a new era. Immigration needs to be based on merit. Look at the mess Germany and Sweden and even Great Britain have gotten themselves into by allowing "open borders" immigration! Australia has successfully implemented a similar a merit based immigration program and they're a country of immigrants as well.

'Mess' ? I live in 'Great Britain' ... and I've just returned from Sweden and wasn't raped, attacked, robbed - just helped my eldest lives in 'Londonstan' quite happily and I don't lose sleep about her safety

It is a bit rich that nations 'born' of conquest and near extermination of the locals - now seek to limit immigration on 'merit'

The USA and Australia can easily support more migrants

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 13, 2018, 03:13:35 PM

Quote from: rosco on February 13, 2018, 12:53:53 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 13, 2018, 09:59:42 AM
Am I seriously listening to the descendants of migrants who bumped off most of the indigenous people of America - saying. " we need to keep 'em out .." ?!

Have you heard the expression, move with the times? You do understand that the world is a very different place all these centuries later?

I agree, from a far it seems to be a bit hypocritical but the reality is, civilisation has moved through many eras and the world today is very different to that of the past. It's easy to let your feelings/emotions run with this particular theme but Shakey is right, borders and immigration are there to primarily keep a state from failing (think services) and secondly national security.

Are you seriously suggesting that back in the days of cowboys and Indians, schooling, health care, infrastructure, welfare or the simple things like garbage collection needed managed to the same extent? Let me guess, you're also one of those blokes who feel white guilt for what our ancestors did in a world where exploration, exploitation and early trade meant it was a brutal time for the weak? It doesn't make it right but thats humanity for you and little has changed other than the clothes it wears.

You're a lefty Moby but you don't yet know it. Debate with reason and you'll get a sensible discussion. Shit out emotional one liners and you'll get called out. I assume you expect the USA to take in everyone because of stuff that happened back in the day?

I assume you want common sense, order and organisation to be shoved to the back and feelings to the front?

We have big hearts in the USA and we’ve already given amnesty to at least 12 Million illegal aliens. Another 10 to 20 Million promptly made illegal crossings.

We are a nation of immigrants yet when they came in the past they did not get free housing assistance, free medical, free food and free tuition assistance for college.

To compare past immigrants to the freeloaders we get today is the ultimate in left-wing hypocrisy.

We are in enormous debt which has become a national security risk. This is not an exaggeration at all. In fact just today the National Intelligence Director Coats warned Congress to that effect. It’s not normally his duty to do that and yet he felt compelled.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/02/13/trump-national-debt-intelligence-officials-407255

Title: Re: Building The Wall
Post by: B.B. on February 14, 2018, 05:35:13 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 13, 2018, 09:31:08 AM

We need the wall NOW!

Your comments have taken a decidedly pro-Trump turn.

Out of curiosity, who are you and what have you done with Shakespear?

:chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: Building The Wall
Post by: Contrarian on February 14, 2018, 08:59:39 AM

Quote from: B.B. on February 14, 2018, 05:35:13 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 13, 2018, 09:31:08 AM
We need the wall NOW!

Your comments have taken a decidedly pro-Trump turn.

Out of curiosity, who are you and what have you done with Shakespear?

:chuckle:

B/B

Word. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 14, 2018, 09:17:29 AM

https://twitter.com/RealtyVirginia/status/963690132980281345?s=20

:laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 14, 2018, 11:58:24 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 13, 2018, 11:28:37 AM

Quote from: TomT on February 13, 2018, 09:41:40 AM
Instead of bitching about what the Democrats would or would not do, you should get informed.

https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/tefap/pfs-tefap.pdf

Not at all the same thing that President Trump proposed Monday.

This is the distribution of excess USDA commodities such as butter and cheese.

Trumps proposal was to make it mandatory for people receiving SNAP to receive actual food instead of a government check for 50% of their benefit. They'd go to a grocery store and get a box of food depending on how many people they were feeding and a small cash allowance on their SNAP "credit card".

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-wants-cut-back-food-133500122.html

"Cash allowance" is something that only 10% of SNAP recipients qualify for because the requirements are far stricter than for the food-only program. Trump's proposal may resonate with his ignorant base but the cost savings would be minimal. The cost of bailing out the wealthy is another matter entirely but I don't see you bitching about that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 14, 2018, 12:03:57 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 14, 2018, 11:58:24 AM

Quote from: shakespear on February 13, 2018, 11:28:37 AM
Quote from: TomT on February 13, 2018, 09:41:40 AM
Instead of bitching about what the Democrats would or would not do, you should get informed.

https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/tefap/pfs-tefap.pdf

Not at all the same thing that President Trump proposed Monday.

This is the distribution of excess USDA commodities such as butter and cheese.

Trumps proposal was to make it mandatory for people receiving SNAP to receive actual food instead of a government check for 50% of their benefit. They'd go to a grocery store and get a box of food depending on how many people they were feeding and a small cash allowance on their SNAP "credit card".

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-wants-cut-back-food-133500122.html

"Cash allowance" is something that only 10% of SNAP recipients qualify for because the requirements are far stricter than for the food-only program. Trump's proposal may resonate with his ignorant base but the cost savings would be minimal. The cost of bailing out the wealthy is another matter entirely but I don't see you bitching about that.

We never heard you bitch about Obama’s “quantitative easing” which helped your stock market portfolio, either. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: Building The Wall
Post by: shakespear on February 14, 2018, 12:06:42 PM

Quote from: B.B. link=topic=24412.msg476357#msg476357 date=15186117
Your comments have taken a decidedly pro-Trump turn.

Out of curiosity, who are you and what have you done with [b

Shakespear[/b]?

:chuckle:

B/B

Oh I think Trump is doing a lot of good things for our country.

I just wish he wouldn't act like such a jackass when he talks to the public off the teleprompter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 14, 2018, 12:19:19 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 14, 2018, 11:58:24 AM

"Cash allowance" is something that only 10% of SNAP recipients qualify for because the requirements are far stricter than for the food-only program. Trump's proposal may resonate with his ignorant base but the cost savings would be minimal. The cost of bailing out the wealthy is another matter entirely but I don't see you bitching about that.

They get "cash" deposited on their SNAP card the first of every month. Trump would give them a fixed amount of actual food every two weeks and only 1/2 of the discretionary cash. Might help get them off the diet of Doritos and Mountain Dew subsidized by the taxpayer and into a healthier lifestyle. The savings would come from the medicaid and medicare programs in future years.

Tax cut benefiting the wealthy? You and I both know that not even the Dems think that is true anymore.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 14, 2018, 12:20:07 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 13, 2018, 02:02:45 PM

The USA and Australia can easily support more migrants

We don't want to.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 14, 2018, 02:25:23 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on February 14, 2018, 12:20:07 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 13, 2018, 02:02:45 PM

The USA and Australia can easily support more migrants

We don't want to.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

(We’re only taking people with skills, from non-shithole countries like Norway)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 14, 2018, 02:58:10 PM

If only the liberal media would cover stories like this.
Watch Nancy Pelosi interact with those beloved dreamers. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 14, 2018, 03:16:16 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 14, 2018, 02:25:23 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on February 14, 2018, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: msmoby on February 13, 2018, 02:02:45 PM

The USA and Australia can easily support more migrants

We don't want to.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

(We’re only taking people with skills, from non-shithole countries like Norway)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180214/c803c02491b3220ee6c5265946d0ef52.jpg)

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 14, 2018, 03:30:39 PM

Quote from: Ste on February 14, 2018, 03:16:16 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 14, 2018, 02:25:23 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on February 14, 2018, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: msmoby on February 13, 2018, 02:02:45 PM

The USA and Australia can easily support more migrants

We don't want to.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

(We’re only taking people with skills, from non-shithole countries like Norway)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180214/c803c02491b3220ee6c5265946d0ef52.jpg)

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Norway can do that because of oil wealth and because their population is so homogeneous.

However there will still be some who would like to see if they could succeed without so much government assistance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 14, 2018, 03:52:56 PM

Silly STE, he completely forgot that the United States has no oil wealth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on February 14, 2018, 04:33:11 PM

I have 5 weeks of vacation time every year.

I did not spend one cent on my university education (all tuition and fees covered, even commuting expenses, school supplies, and food)

And I do not reside in Scandinavia. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on February 14, 2018, 04:35:47 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 14, 2018, 04:33:11 PM

I have 5 weeks of vacation time every year.

I did not spend one cent on my university education (all tuition and fees covered, even commuting expenses, school supplies, and food)

And I do not reside in Scandinavia. :thumbsup:

2 out of 7 ... ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on February 14, 2018, 05:50:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 14, 2018, 03:30:39 PM

Norway can do that because of oil wealth and because their population is so homogeneous.

However there will still be some who would like to see if they could succeed without so much government assistance.

This is the almost poetical beauty (stupidity) of the current American population. Simply stated blame some one else! On both sides of the political spectrum you see this play out.

America did in fact waste its oil wealth and just about every other asset it had.

Andrew FYI America had and still has rather impressive oil wealth but in your not stop diaretic-anti-American diatribe you can ignore this reality from your porcelain pontification throne.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 14, 2018, 06:33:38 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on February 14, 2018, 05:50:19 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 14, 2018, 03:30:39 PM
Norway can do that because of oil wealth and because their population is so homogeneous.

However there will still be some who would like to see if they could succeed without so much government assistance.

This is the almost poetical beauty (stupidity) of the current American population. Simply stated blame some one else! On both sides of the political spectrum you see this play out.

America did in fact waste its oil wealth and just about every other asset it had.

Andrew FYI America had and still has rather impressive oil wealth but in your not stop diaretic-anti-American diatribe you can ignore this reality from your porcelain pontification throne.

Calls the American population stupid; then criticizes Andrew for critiqueing the USA. :dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 14, 2018, 06:35:33 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 14, 2018, 04:33:11 PM

I have 5 weeks of vacation time every year.

I did not spend one cent on my university education (all tuition and fees covered, even commuting expenses, school supplies, and food)

And I do not reside in Scandinavia. :thumbsup:

Did you have a full athletic scholarship? And I doubt if you started with 5 weeks paid vacation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 14, 2018, 06:39:17 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 14, 2018, 03:52:56 PM

Silly STE, he completely forgot that the United States has no oil wealth.

Our oil wealth and other wealth has been squandered fighting endless wars in the Middle East. Our foreign policy is enslaved to the wishes of AIPAC. If the USA ever manages to be free of that yoke then we might be able to spend money on ourselves.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on February 15, 2018, 01:27:31 AM

Quote from: Ste on February 14, 2018, 03:16:16 PM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180214/c803c02491b3220ee6c5265946d0ef52.jpg)
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No self respecting American would move to that Norwegian shithole!

Total tax in Norway is 45% of GDP! Twice the rate of USA. One of the highest tax % in the world.

Such a high % rate is only possible because the oil and gas industries are effectively state owned.

If you want to start a business you certainly don't start it in Norway!

Income Tax runs at 55%. Social security another 11%. So total earned income take is over 65%!!!

Oh and there is 25% VAT (sales tax) on virtually everything you buy. So the government takes 65% of your income at source and ANOTHER 25% on every Kroner you spend...

Wealth tax kicks in at about $200K and is about 1%. So is you have managed to build any capital the state will tax that too!

The Scandinavian countries are heaven on earth for layabouts (Muslim immigrants) and people who don't want to work hard.

If you are ambitious and want to follow the "American Dream" emigrate to the USA!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 15, 2018, 02:43:21 AM

Cherry-picking.

Those tax rates are the highest, in Denmark it's 83% I paid around 32% when I lived there. The norm for most people in Norway and Sweden too is around 32-35%. The social safety net is worth that alone, rather than the fuuk-you mentally wrt to public services in USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on February 15, 2018, 03:14:54 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on February 14, 2018, 12:20:07 PM

Quote from: msmoby on February 13, 2018, 02:02:45 PM

The USA and Australia can easily support more migrants

We don't want to.

Indeed, no need for the type of "cultural enrichment" that Europe is currently inflicting on itself.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 15, 2018, 06:39:32 AM

Quote from: B.B. on February 15, 2018, 03:14:54 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on February 14, 2018, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: msmoby on February 13, 2018, 02:02:45 PM

The USA and Australia can easily support more migrants

We don't want to.

Indeed, no need for the type of "cultural enrichment" that Europe is currently inflicting on itself.

B/B

I get the feeling Ste has a fantasy of getting buggered in his rear-end. :sick0012: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on February 15, 2018, 07:38:08 AM

Islam is largely anti-bum, witness wiping it with the devil's hand, ie left, and standing on bog seats to avoid contact with where previous bums have been.

I don't doubt there's buggery going on, but there is everywhere probs more so in the RC with Hot Priest on Altar Boy jobby-jabbing action.

Slight off topic-ish I was just reminded of our priest when I lived in Scotland, I took one look at him and said I didn't want him near my kids, he looked a right wrong 'un. Fr. Stuart Campbell, St. Columba's RC Church, Google him, I was right, now a convicted paedo.

The only other paedo I was acquainted with (obvs before I know) was a Bank Manager in Barnsley of all places, but he was old-school paedo.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 15, 2018, 07:41:25 AM

I thought you had a thing for Jimmy Saville? Wasn't he up your end when you were a lad?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on February 15, 2018, 09:20:17 AM

Quote from: leslied on February 15, 2018, 01:27:31 AM

Quote from: Ste on February 14, 2018, 03:16:16 PM

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180214/c803c02491b3220ee6c5265946d0ef52.jpg)
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No self respecting American would move to that Norwegian shithole!

Total tax in Norway is 45% of GDP! Twice the rate of USA. One of the highest tax % in the world.

Such a high % rate is only possible because the oil and gas industries are effectively state owned.

If you want to start a business you certainly don't start it in Norway!

Income Tax runs at 55%. Social security another 11%. So total earned income take is over 65%!!!

Oh and there is 25% VAT (sales tax) on virtually everything you buy. So the government takes 65% of your income at source and ANOTHER 25% on every Kroner you spend...

Wealth tax kicks in at about $200K and is about 1%. So is you have managed to build any capital the state will tax that too!

The Scandinavian countries are heaven on earth for layabouts (Muslim immigrants) and people who don't want to work hard.

If you are ambitious and want to follow the "American Dream" emigrate to the USA!

My Norwegian son-in-law planes to retire there

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 15, 2018, 09:49:35 AM

Quote from: Ste on February 08, 2018, 12:02:59 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on February 08, 2018, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: Ste on February 08, 2018, 11:54:37 AM
Quote from: Steveboy on February 08, 2018, 11:48:37 AM
Quote from: Ste on February 08, 2018, 11:35:30 AM
The World is a small place now, people dont stay in their pidgeon holes any more.

After all, the British Army has had a Gurkha regiment for ages, i dont even know what religion they are, bhuddist i assume, though that doesnt sit well with their kukhri thing....

.

Yes but I'm not complaining about that! fair play to any other religions in the army! Im sure gays have been in the army for many years and so what! Im not complaining about that..

What is annoying is having one particular religion rammed in your face 25/7!! Why would I want to see some fool taking his boots off and praying in the middle of a war zone. I can tell you what if I was there and the guy got shot, you think I would give him any assistance after he has been a complete ass hole in the middle of a battle zone.. No I would just walk straight over him with my muddy boots...In fact I would probably shoot him to save any further hinderance to fellow soldiers..

What is the next ad going to have? Some cross dresser changing his ripped stockings on the battle field...

Well it make's no difference any way , the British Army is finished also, I doubt they could even take the isle of White back now should it be taken over...

I wouldnt like to lead some gay soldiers over the top for fear they’d be admiring my sexy arse, which i have to say, hasnt really expanded with age...

.

You better hope there is not a call up some time ...

If so I guess you can wear a Butt Plug... :censored:

Dont knock a bit of anal, had to stick some suppisitories up there last year, after the schincter theres some useful storage space up there.

:sick0012: :hidechair:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 15, 2018, 12:37:01 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 14, 2018, 12:19:19 PM

They get "cash" deposited on their SNAP card the first of every month.

Apparently, you think that you can alter reality by putting quotation marks around it. There is food EBT and there is cash EBT; never the twain shall meet.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 15, 2018, 01:32:12 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 15, 2018, 12:37:01 PM

Apparently, you think that you can alter reality by putting quotation marks around it. There is food EBT and there is cash EBT; never the twain shall meet.

{sigh} you can define "is" however you want . . . . .

but that doesn't change the facts!

The government gives them a set amount of cash in their snap card each month. They either follow the law and buy approved foods with it or in many cases work in collusion to fraud the government by illegally turning the taxpayers charity to the welfare of themselves and their dependents into cash to be spent on cigarettes, beer, liquor, gambling, drugs, strip joints or whatever. The supermarket gets 100% of the cash reimbursed from the government. In Wal-Mart it makes up nearly 8% of their total annual sales.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 15, 2018, 01:49:08 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 15, 2018, 12:37:01 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 14, 2018, 12:19:19 PM
They get "cash" deposited on their SNAP card the first of every month.

Apparently, you think that you can alter reality by putting quotation marks around it. There is food EBT and there is cash EBT; never the twain shall meet.

For those who have the will and knowledge to make it happen, it does not matter what form the payment takes. If people want to sell the benefit in kind embodied in their plastic then they are turning the credit designed to food purchases into cash.

In that regard, the idea of taking the money aspect out of the card and replacing it with real goods is a good one. It makes the transfer of credit into cash harder to do and, probably, will result in better-fed families. Of course, there will still be some people, possibly a sizeable minority, who will try to sell the food packages but they will get less money from that transaction than they can from selling the credit on their SNAP cards. That alone will tend to reduce the number of people undertaking such transactions to the benefit of all (apart from those who benefit from the current frauds).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 15, 2018, 04:53:31 PM

I'm thankful President Trump is trying to curb immigration, look what is happening in Canada. Maybe instead of the wall, the U.S. could offer free shipping from the Mexican border to Canada.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on February 15, 2018, 05:09:54 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 14, 2018, 06:35:33 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 14, 2018, 04:33:11 PM
I have 5 weeks of vacation time every year.

I did not spend one cent on my university education (all tuition and fees covered, even commuting expenses, school supplies, and food)

And I do not reside in Scandinavia. :thumbsup:

Did you have a full athletic scholarship? And I doubt if you started with 5 weeks paid vacation.

No, I was not one of those dumb jocks. :laugh: I was Valedictorian in my high school class if that means anything.

The annual five weeks paid vacation is with my current job. Of course at the start it was much less - 13 days per year.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on February 15, 2018, 05:29:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 15, 2018, 09:49:35 AM

Quote from: Ste on February 08, 2018, 12:02:59 PM
Quote from: Steveboy on February 08, 2018, 11:59:28 AM
Quote from: Ste on February 08, 2018, 11:54:37 AM
Quote from: Steveboy on February 08, 2018, 11:48:37 AM
Quote from: Ste on February 08, 2018, 11:35:30 AM
The World is a small place now, people dont stay in their pidgeon holes any more.

After all, the British Army has had a Gurkha regiment for ages, i dont even know what religion they are, bhuddist i assume, though that doesnt sit well with their kukhri thing....

.

Yes but I'm not complaining about that! fair play to any other religions in the army! Im sure gays have been in the army for many years and so what! Im not complaining about that..

What is annoying is having one particular religion rammed in your face 25/7!! Why would I want to see some fool taking his boots off and praying in the middle of a war zone. I can tell you what if I was there and the guy got shot, you think I would give him any assistance after he has been a complete ass hole in the middle of a battle zone.. No I would just walk straight over him with my muddy boots...In fact I would probably shoot him to save any further hinderance to fellow soldiers..

What is the next ad going to have? Some cross dresser changing his ripped stockings on the battle field...

Well it make's no difference any way , the British Army is finished also, I doubt they could even take the isle of White back now should it be taken over...

I wouldnt like to lead some gay soldiers over the top for fear they’d be admiring my sexy arse, which i have to say, hasnt really expanded with age...

.

You better hope there is not a call up some time ...

If so I guess you can wear a Butt Plug... :censored:

Dont knock a bit of anal, had to stick some suppisitories up there last year, after the schincter theres some useful storage space up there.

:sick0012: :hidechair:

I had a case where I kept vomiting and could not keep anything in the stomach, so had to receive something through the other end. :chuckle: The anorectal region has lots of blood vessels in that area. So it is an entry pathway for things like STDs, AIDS, etc. But I am sure everyone here knows that very well. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 15, 2018, 08:16:29 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 15, 2018, 05:09:54 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 14, 2018, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: dcguyusa on February 14, 2018, 04:33:11 PM
I have 5 weeks of vacation time every year.

I did not spend one cent on my university education (all tuition and fees covered, even commuting expenses, school supplies, and food)

And I do not reside in Scandinavia. :thumbsup:

Did you have a full athletic scholarship? And I doubt if you started with 5 weeks paid vacation.

No, I was not one of those dumb jocks. :laugh: I was Valedictorian in my high school class if that means anything.

The annual five weeks paid vacation is with my current job. Of course at the start it was much less - 13 days per year.

Congratulations. :bow:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: TomT on February 15, 2018, 10:41:34 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 15, 2018, 01:32:12 PM

The government gives them a set amount of cash in their snap card each month.

I understand: you haven't learned the difference between cash and credit yet. I think that the underlying problem is that anything that conflicts with your peculiar notions must be lies, ignorance or fake news. There is a lot of that going around.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 16, 2018, 12:08:46 PM

Quote from: TomT on February 15, 2018, 10:41:34 PM

I understand: you haven't learned the difference between cash and credit yet. I think that the underlying problem is that anything that conflicts with your peculiar notions must be lies, ignorance or fake news. There is a lot of that going around.

Cash - credit what's the big difference? The main point is the taxpayer pays for it all in the end including the rampant waste fraud and abuse inherent in the program.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 16, 2018, 12:15:27 PM

Actually, in the context of the SNAP card, the value on the card is NOT credit. It is money.

I don't know about many Americans but the ones I know tend to use the terms 'cash' and 'money' interchangeably. In normal usage that is perfectly reasonable.

However to call the value on SNAP cards 'credit' isn't an accurate description. Money has been credited to an account to be spent as money by the holder of the card. No debt is incurred by the transaction and so, even in common parlance, the value on the card is not credit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 02:50:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 15, 2018, 08:16:29 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 15, 2018, 05:09:54 PM
Quote from: Confederate on February 14, 2018, 06:35:33 PM
Quote from: dcguyusa on February 14, 2018, 04:33:11 PM
I have 5 weeks of vacation time every year.

I did not spend one cent on my university education (all tuition and fees covered, even commuting expenses, school supplies, and food)

And I do not reside in Scandinavia. :thumbsup:

Did you have a full athletic scholarship? And I doubt if you started with 5 weeks paid vacation.

No, I was not one of those dumb jocks. :laugh: I was Valedictorian in my high school class if that means anything.

The annual five weeks paid vacation is with my current job. Of course at the start it was much less - 13 days per year.

Congratulations. :bow:

I was very surprised when I was informed by the school principal before graduation. I had to write up a graduation speech during commencement. I think most of the audience was falling asleep during my long winded speech. :chuckle: I actually thought that a few other members of my senior class would have ended up as Valedictorian. I thought that they made an error when coming up with my GPA. But who am I to complain? :-X :whist11:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 02:58:42 PM

Here we go again. :chuckle:

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/karen-mcdougal-former-playmate-center-new-donald-trump-affair-claims-155753186.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on February 16, 2018, 03:08:54 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 02:50:42 PM

I was very surprised when I was informed by the school principal before graduation. I had to write up a graduation speech during commencement. I think most of the audience was falling asleep during my long winded speech. :chuckle: I actually thought that a few other members of my senior class would have ended up as Valedictorian. I thought that they made an error when coming up with my GPA. But who am I to complain? :-X :whist11:

Alright, I'll play the Devil's advocate here: what was your class size?

Just kidding with ya. I actually failed to be valedictorian (or even salutatorian) in a pint-sized class of 32 students... so I ain't one to talk. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 03:27:20 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on February 16, 2018, 03:08:54 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 02:50:42 PM
I was very surprised when I was informed by the school principal before graduation. I had to write up a graduation speech during commencement. I think most of the audience was falling asleep during my long winded speech. :chuckle: I actually thought that a few other members of my senior class would have ended up as Valedictorian. I thought that they made an error when coming up with my GPA. But who am I to complain? :-X :whist11:

Alright, I'll play the Devil's advocate here: what was your class size?

Just kidding with ya. I actually failed to be valedictorian (or even salutatorian) in a pint-sized class of 32 students... so I ain't one to talk. :laugh:

The senior class was reported to be over 250. I did not think that I would be "on top", so I did not bother to provide a photo for the class yearbook. :biggrin: Since my school was considered to be an "inner city" school, lots of the pupils did not offer much of a competition. Some of them were not there to learn, but to just fool around. :duh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on February 16, 2018, 04:05:33 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 03:27:20 PM

The senior class was reported to be over 250. I did not think that I would be "on top", so I did not bother to provide a photo for the class yearbook. :biggrin: Since my school was considered to be an "inner city" school, lots of the pupils did not offer much of a competition. Some of them were not there to learn, but to just fool around. :duh:

Ah, I can imagine the mentality of the 'under-achievers.' I myself was an 'average-achiever.' Our valedictorian is well on his way to being a heart surgeon, believe it or not (I can hardly believe it because I grew up with the kid, we're the same age and I'm sitting on my bum while all my former classmates are out changing the world).

Anyway, congratulations DCguy. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 05:18:18 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on February 16, 2018, 04:05:33 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 03:27:20 PM
The senior class was reported to be over 250. I did not think that I would be "on top", so I did not bother to provide a photo for the class yearbook. :biggrin: Since my school was considered to be an "inner city" school, lots of the pupils did not offer much of a competition. Some of them were not there to learn, but to just fool around. :duh:

Ah, I can imagine the mentality of the 'under-achievers.' I myself was an 'average-achiever.' Our valedictorian is well on his way to being a heart surgeon, believe it or not (I can hardly believe it because I grew up with the kid, we're the same age and I'm sitting on my bum while all my former classmates are out changing the world).

Anyway, congratulations DCguy. :thumbsup:

I don't call them "under achievers". I call them "quitters". They just gave up when they entered the classroom. My godmother's oldest son is a pediatric cardiologist. I did not get past the MCAT and admission guidelines into the limited slots available in the entering classes. But my work does impact a much larger segment of the country than a doctor's work would. I was curious as to how all of my fellow graduates (and drop outs) ended up. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on February 16, 2018, 05:46:09 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 05:18:18 PM

I was curious as to how all of my fellow graduates (and drop outs) ended up. :coffeeread:

Might be best never finding out!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 16, 2018, 08:27:29 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 05:18:18 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on February 16, 2018, 04:05:33 PM
Quote from: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 03:27:20 PM
The senior class was reported to be over 250. I did not think that I would be "on top", so I did not bother to provide a photo for the class yearbook. :biggrin: Since my school was considered to be an "inner city" school, lots of the pupils did not offer much of a competition. Some of them were not there to learn, but to just fool around. :duh:

Ah, I can imagine the mentality of the 'under-achievers.' I myself was an 'average-achiever.' Our valedictorian is well on his way to being a heart surgeon, believe it or not (I can hardly believe it because I grew up with the kid, we're the same age and I'm sitting on my bum while all my former classmates are out changing the world).

Anyway, congratulations DCguy. :thumbsup:

I don't call them "under achievers". I call them "quitters". They just gave up when they entered the classroom. My godmother's oldest son is a pediatric cardiologist. I did not get past the MCAT and admission guidelines into the limited slots available in the entering classes. But my work does impact a much larger segment of the country than a doctor's work would. I was curious as to how all of my fellow graduates (and drop outs) ended up. :coffeeread:

What kind of work do you do?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on February 17, 2018, 12:19:08 AM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 05:18:18 PM

I don't call them "under achievers". I call them "quitters". They just gave up when they entered the classroom.

Didn't John Wayne in one of his movies say "I don't like quitters, son".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 18, 2018, 04:13:48 PM

California's liberal paradise.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on February 20, 2018, 05:27:11 PM

Quote from: Confederate on February 16, 2018, 08:27:29 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 05:18:18 PM
Quote from: Lord of the Dance on February 16, 2018, 04:05:33 PM
Quote from: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 03:27:20 PM
The senior class was reported to be over 250. I did not think that I would be "on top", so I did not bother to provide a photo for the class yearbook. :biggrin: Since my school was considered to be an "inner city" school, lots of the pupils did not offer much of a competition. Some of them were not there to learn, but to just fool around. :duh:

Ah, I can imagine the mentality of the 'under-achievers.' I myself was an 'average-achiever.' Our valedictorian is well on his way to being a heart surgeon, believe it or not (I can hardly believe it because I grew up with the kid, we're the same age and I'm sitting on my bum while all my former classmates are out changing the world).

Anyway, congratulations DCguy. :thumbsup:

I don't call them "under achievers". I call them "quitters". They just gave up when they entered the classroom. My godmother's oldest son is a pediatric cardiologist. I did not get past the MCAT and admission guidelines into the limited slots available in the entering classes. But my work does impact a much larger segment of the country than a doctor's work would. I was curious as to how all of my fellow graduates (and drop outs) ended up. :coffeeread:

What kind of work do you do?

After abandoning my aspirations to become a brain surgeon, I ended up working in Information Technology.

No, I am not Bill Gates nor the reincarnation of Steve Jobs. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on February 20, 2018, 05:28:34 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on February 17, 2018, 12:19:08 AM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 05:18:18 PM
I don't call them "under achievers". I call them "quitters". They just gave up when they entered the classroom.

Didn't John Wayne in one of his movies say "I don't like quitters, son".

Was this from "the searchers" or "true grit"? The Searchers was a good movie about never giving up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on February 20, 2018, 07:49:48 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on February 20, 2018, 05:28:34 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on February 17, 2018, 12:19:08 AM
Quote from: dcguyusa on February 16, 2018, 05:18:18 PM
I don't call them "under achievers". I call them "quitters". They just gave up when they entered the classroom.

Didn't John Wayne in one of his movies say "I don't like quitters, son".

Was this from "the searchers" or "true grit"? The Searchers was a good movie about never giving up.

As I recall 'Red River'; about a cattle drive north.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on February 20, 2018, 09:21:40 PM

Moscow to Rename US Embassy Street Address to...

(https://russia-insider.com/sites/insider/files/styles/1200xauto/public/dead-end-sign.jpg?itok=8bINATIO)

https://russia-insider.com/en/moscow-rename-us-embassy-street-address-american-dead-end-russian-tv-news/ri22554

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 26, 2018, 12:21:24 PM

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 26, 2018, 01:59:34 PM

Nice tweet about Schiff Saturday by Trump. . . . . . .

“Congressman Schiff omitted and distorted key facts” @FoxNews So, what else is new. He is a total phony!"

Fox reporter actually said Schiff said the Republican memo distorted key facts.

Trump even fakes fake news

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on February 26, 2018, 02:10:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 26, 2018, 01:59:34 PM

Nice tweet about Schiff Saturday by Trump. . . . . . .

“Congressman Schiff omitted and distorted key facts” @FoxNews So, what else is new. He is a total phony!"

Fox reporter actually said Schiff said the Republican memo distorted key facts.

Trump even fakes fake news

:ROFL:

Good. Give them a dose of their own medicine. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on February 26, 2018, 06:04:00 PM

Quote

Trump says he would have tried to stop Parkland shooter — with his bare hands

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-says-tried-stop-parkland-shooter-bare-hands-175958787.html

Quote

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders claimed that he didn’t actually mean that he would “run in” to the school.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-parkland-school-shooting_us_5a94341ce4b02cb368c44ab3

You probably would have ended up ventilated. (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on February 27, 2018, 04:00:04 PM

Trump in 2020! :party0011:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texastribune.org/2018/02/27/trump-taps-texan-brad-parscale-his-2020-re-election-campaign-manager/amp/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on March 01, 2018, 12:38:14 AM

Quote

“I'm ready to tell you about all the unsolved puzzles that you didn't have before, to confirm them with audio and video, relating to our honourable parliamentarians' ties with Manafort, Trump and all the clamour around the election in the United States. I know a lot,” she said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/28/oligarchs-mistress-offers-info-trump-russia-ties-us-asylum/

Here we go again. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on March 01, 2018, 01:02:28 AM

Quote from: dcguyusa on March 01, 2018, 12:38:14 AM

Quote
“I'm ready to tell you about all the unsolved puzzles that you didn't have before, to confirm them with audio and video, relating to our honourable parliamentarians' ties with Manafort, Trump and all the clamour around the election in the United States. I know a lot,” she said.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/28/oligarchs-mistress-offers-info-trump-russia-ties-us-asylum/

Here we go again. :chuckle:

There is little doubt in my mind that P. Manafort is both a sleazy and deplorable human. I doubt she can tell the public which hand he wipes his ass with.

My read of the story is A. Vashukevich is she has neither an ogli or mini-arch to support her and is grasping at straws.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: leslied on March 01, 2018, 02:22:00 PM

Trump has announced he will run for re-election in2020.

I have no doubt whatsoever that he will win...

He does so now to boost the mid-term 2018 elections. Reckon the GOP will pick up another handful of seats and increase their majority.

He is re building the GOP on a much wider base. The liberals STILL don't understand the implications. They could well be out of power for a generation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 01, 2018, 03:00:33 PM

Even with his latest howler?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 01, 2018, 06:39:43 PM

Unless this is stopped, this type of card could be used nation wide to get illegals to vote.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-rahm-emanuel-municipal-id-vote-20180216-story,amp.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 02, 2018, 02:59:35 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on March 01, 2018, 06:39:43 PM

Unless this is stopped, this type of card could be used nation wide to get illegals to vote.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-rahm-emanuel-municipal-id-vote-20180216-story,amp.html

And, of course, that's the point.

As the article notes, each prospective voter, no matter their ID is required to attest, but not prove, their citizenship. That's the loophole by which this will slide. Big play made of the point that people are supposed to swear they are citizens and a downplay of the lack of proof required.

My guess, this is more important for local elections than for national ones because they are likely to be issued within limited geographic areas and thus have an impact locally. Nationally they will be rather more 'diluted'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 02, 2018, 01:53:20 PM

Large drop in the stock market due to President Trump threatening tariffs.

When U.S. markets opened for trading, the Standard & Poor’s 500 index plunged as much as 1.1 percent to join a worldwide sell-off after President Donald Trump doubled down on “trade war” talk. He took to Twitter to defend his promise from Thursday to impose stiff tariffs on imports of steel and aluminum, saying that the United States is losing on trade with virtually every country and that “trade wars are good” and “easy to win.”

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/stocks-keep-plunging-as-trump-talks-up-trade-war/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 02, 2018, 02:05:27 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 02, 2018, 01:53:20 PM

Large drop in the stock market due to President Trump threatening tariffs.

I hope to gawd that Trump's threatened tariffs are an opening negotiation tactic rather than something he is really going to impose. I would have hoped that as a country we learned our lesson from Smoot-Hawley. Tariffs only create retaliation and eventually economic depressions in the long run.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/JaydVCffhz.Uh3iNBwobjw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAwO2lsPXBsYW5l/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/finance/2016-05-29/6f903460-25c7-11e6-bbea-7148201595bd_Screen-Shot-2016-05-29-at-1-31-09-PM.png.cf.jpg&imgrefurl=https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-trade-protectionism-tariffs-1930-smoot-hawley-tariff-act-stocks-182046081.html&h=401&w=800&tbnid=bEe6Ulwxoc8q6M:&tbnh=112&tbnw=223&usg=__v8MhCviFacmjMAovh3dRpktOQsU%3D&vet=10ahUKEwjBps3uxM7ZAhUCbKwKHfniACoQ9QEILTAA..i&docid=ojFJtFSb9D1KIM&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjBps3uxM7ZAhUCbKwKHfniACoQ9QEILTAA

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 02, 2018, 02:21:03 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2018, 02:05:27 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 02, 2018, 01:53:20 PM
Large drop in the stock market due to President Trump threatening tariffs.

I hope to gawd that Trump's threatened tariffs are an opening negotiation tactic rather than something he is really going to impose. I would have hoped that as a country we learned our lesson from Smoot-Hawley. Tariffs only create retaliation and eventually economic depressions in the long run.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/JaydVCffhz.Uh3iNBwobjw--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAwO2lsPXBsYW5l/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/finance/2016-05-29/6f903460-25c7-11e6-bbea-7148201595bd_Screen-Shot-2016-05-29-at-1-31-09-PM.png.cf.jpg&imgrefurl=https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-trade-protectionism-tariffs-1930-smoot-hawley-tariff-act-stocks-182046081.html&h=401&w=800&tbnid=bEe6Ulwxoc8q6M:&tbnh=112&tbnw=223&usg=__v8MhCviFacmjMAovh3dRpktOQsU%3D&vet=10ahUKEwjBps3uxM7ZAhUCbKwKHfniACoQ9QEILTAA..i&docid=ojFJtFSb9D1KIM&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjBps3uxM7ZAhUCbKwKHfniACoQ9QEILTAA

I’m certain everything he does are opening negotiation tactics. Somewhat risky but necessary if you ask me. He’s got big cajones. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 02, 2018, 05:40:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 02, 2018, 01:53:20 PM

Large drop in the stock market due to President Trump threatening tariffs.

When U.S. markets opened for trading, the Standard & Poor’s 500 index plunged as much as 1.1 percent to join a worldwide sell-off after President Donald Trump doubled down on “trade war” talk. He took to Twitter to defend his promise from Thursday to impose stiff tariffs on imports of steel and aluminum, saying that the United States is losing on trade with virtually every country and that “trade wars are good” and “easy to win.”

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/stocks-keep-plunging-as-trump-talks-up-trade-war/

Again the liberal media is trying to distort the actual price effects. Even if aluminum doubles in price it could mean a whopping penny per can.
Trump wants to even the playing field with China.
As for the stocks, it's going to correct itself in due time.

https://www.quora.com/How-much-does-it-cost-to-manufacture-355-ml-12-fl-ounces-of-Coca-Cola-Do-we-pay-much-more-than-that-What-accounts-for-the-difference-How-do-they-get-so-many-people-to-pay-so-much-more

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 02, 2018, 08:07:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 02, 2018, 02:05:27 PM

I hope to gawd that Trump's threatened tariffs are an opening negotiation tactic rather than something he is really going to impose.

It is, you are finally catching on.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on March 03, 2018, 01:02:17 PM

Dutch steel-mill "Tata Steel" reacted to this news:

It won't matter to us. We are one of only 3 factories in the world whom can produce our quality of steel. We have nothing to fear from the Americans or Chinese so all of our competitors will be hit with the same tariff.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2018, 02:35:39 PM

This may be why US cars don’t sell so well in Europe.

The U.S. imposes a 2.5 percent tariff on the import of foreign cars and a 25 percent tariff on the import of foreign trucks and commercial vans. The European Union charges a 10 percent tariff on the import of cars.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/business/wp/2018/03/03/trump-escalates-trade-war-threatens-european-carmakers-with-stiff-tariffs/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on March 03, 2018, 07:08:06 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 03, 2018, 02:35:39 PM

This may be why US cars don’t sell so well in Europe.

The U.S. imposes a 2.5 percent tariff on the import of foreign cars and a 25 percent tariff on the import of foreign trucks and commercial vans. The European Union charges a 10 percent tariff on the import of cars.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/business/wp/2018/03/03/trump-escalates-trade-war-threatens-european-carmakers-with-stiff-tariffs/

Not only that, American cars (Ford mundane middle-class cars excepted) have a reputation that doesn't work for them

First: Cheap inside. meaning used cheap materials that look sub-par for a car of this price
Second: Unreliable, you spend more time with road-service than other cars, French / Italian excepted.

I don't know if its true or not, since I never owned/drove an american brand long-time, but that is the rumour in Europe.

I do know one thing though: French cars are absolute crap, even in 2017. Unless you like spending money in service/garages ....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2018, 07:26:37 PM

Quote from: Markje on March 03, 2018, 07:08:06 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 03, 2018, 02:35:39 PM
This may be why US cars don’t sell so well in Europe.

The U.S. imposes a 2.5 percent tariff on the import of foreign cars and a 25 percent tariff on the import of foreign trucks and commercial vans. The European Union charges a 10 percent tariff on the import of cars.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/business/wp/2018/03/03/trump-escalates-trade-war-threatens-european-carmakers-with-stiff-tariffs/
Not only that, American cars (Ford mundane middle-class cars excepted) have a reputation that doesn't work for them

First: Cheap inside. meaning used cheap materials that look sub-par for a car of this price
Second: Unreliable, you spend more time with road-service than other cars, French / Italian excepted.

I don't know if its true or not, since I never owned/drove an american brand long-time, but that is the rumour in Europe.

I do know one thing though: French cars are absolute crap, even in 2017. Unless you like spending money in service/garages ....

The quality and reliability of American cars has improved dramatically in the last 10 years. Chevrolet has the best quality and reliability in the past two years according to J.D. Powers.

For SUV’s I really like the GMC Acadia (same as a Chevy Traverse) and Ford Explorer. I also like the big Chevrolet Suburban. The Chevy Traverse interior with leather looks really nice; click on the Chevy link to see it.

http://www.gmc.com/suvs/acadia-mid-size-suv

http://www.chevrolet.com/suvs/traverse-mid-size-suv

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 03, 2018, 07:43:29 PM

I had a Cadillac CTS not long ago, not bad butt ugly in a brutal way I liked that. Cheap and nasty interior, poor build quality, useless round corners.

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2018, 08:33:21 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 03, 2018, 07:43:29 PM

I had a Cadillac CTS not long ago, not bad butt ugly in a brutal way I liked that. Cheap and nasty interior, poor build quality, useless round corners.

What year was it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 03, 2018, 11:09:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 03, 2018, 08:33:21 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 03, 2018, 07:43:29 PM
I had a Cadillac CTS not long ago, not bad butt ugly in a brutal way I liked that. Cheap and nasty interior, poor build quality, useless round corners.

What year was it?

2006

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on March 04, 2018, 04:50:53 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 03, 2018, 07:26:37 PM

... reliability story..

Dutch reliability scores from 2017:
https://autorai.nl/betrouwbare-automerken-2017/
The website used the American "Consumer reports" as its sources.

Japan is top-notch, all of their brands score super. Buick being a positive exception to the american rules.

Lexus – 86 (Japanese, AAA-brand of Toyota)
Toyota – 78 (Japanese)
Buick – 75 (American)
Audi – 71 (German, subbrand of VW)
Kia – 69 (Korean)
Mazda – 68 (Japanese)
Hyundai – 66 (Korean)
Infiniti – 62 (Japanese, AAA-brand of Mazda) (Markje note: Interesting that they don't score higher than the mazda, you'd think they put more effort in their luxury line)

Very good:

BMW – 57 (German)
Honda – 57 (Japanese)
Subaru – 54 (Korean)
Acura – 53 (?)
Nissan – 52 (Japanese)
Mini – 47 (German, subbrand of BMW)
Chevrolet – 45 (American)
Porsche – 45 (German, subbrand of VW)
Mercedes-Benz – 44 (German)
Ford – 44 (American)

Then mediocre (as in, will fail on you sometimes) Volvo being a somewhat surprising note here, as they are usually high up.

Volvo – 40 punten (Swedes)
Lincoln – 33 (American)
Cadillac – 32 (American)
Volkswagen – 30 (German)
Jeep – 30 (American)
GMC – 29 (American)
Tesla – 28 (American)
Dodge – 28 (American)
Chrysler – 26 (American)
Fiat – 17 (Italian)
Ram – 16 (American)

Supercars like Lamborghini, pagani, et.al.
Too little cars for a meaningful report.

Other brands:
(Peugeot, Citroen, Renault and other not listed)
Avoid like the plague.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 04, 2018, 01:31:46 PM

I will post this right away but without comment.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/trump-spiraling-out-of-control-according-to-friends-2018-3

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 05, 2018, 11:05:36 AM

I've been predicting for a while the the wack-a-doodle
left are going to nominate a presidential candidate that
will openly spew their lefty tripe and screech their
hatred.

They will lose by a landslide if they think they can sell
the American public on the stuff that goes on inside
their tiny brains.

The only way the left get their idea to pass is by telling
lies about them. Example: If you like your plan, you like
your doctor, you can keep it. If you vote in Obama care
then your medical insurance will go down by $2500 per
year.

If the lefty nutters nominate one of their own and they
tell the truth, Trump will be elected to a second term.

California Dems’ hard-left turn could be the whole party’s future
https://nypost.com/2018/03/02/california-dems-hard-left-turn-could-be-the-whole-partys-future/

The top 15 Democratic presidential candidates for 2020, ranked
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/22/the-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-for-2020-ranked/?utm_term=.37ad2fd6dab9

This article calls left wing wacko Kamala Harris a
"centrist lawmaker"
10 Democrats to watch in 2020
http://www.businessinsider.com/10-democrats-2020-president-2017-11

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 05, 2018, 03:56:38 PM

From now on all of them should refuse to cooperate. Fcuk Mueller.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/former-trump-aide-sam-nunberg-called-before-grand-jury-says-he-will-refuse-to-go/2018/03/05/24c8b86a-20a9-11e8-badd-7c9f29a55815_story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 05, 2018, 04:13:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 05, 2018, 03:56:38 PM

From now on all of them should refuse to cooperate. Fcuk Mueller.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/former-trump-aide-sam-nunberg-called-before-grand-jury-says-he-will-refuse-to-go/2018/03/05/24c8b86a-20a9-11e8-badd-7c9f29a55815_story.html

What an ass clown. This guy is a babbling idiot just seeking his 10 minutes of fame in the media. Trump fired him from the campaign and he's claiming he came up with several if the Trump talking points. If he's REALLY received a subpoena he'll show up, I'd bet money on it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 05, 2018, 04:51:09 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 05, 2018, 04:13:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 05, 2018, 03:56:38 PM
From now on all of them should refuse to cooperate. Fcuk Mueller.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/former-trump-aide-sam-nunberg-called-before-grand-jury-says-he-will-refuse-to-go/2018/03/05/24c8b86a-20a9-11e8-badd-7c9f29a55815_story.html

What an ass clown. This guy is a babbling idiot just seeking his 10 minutes of fame in the media. Trump fired him from the campaign and he's claiming he came up with several if the Trump talking points. If he's REALLY received a subpoena he'll show up, I'd bet money on it.

He says he’s going to tear it up on Friday on national TV.

BTW you called Trump an ass clown shortly after he started to run in 2016 and he’s now President of the USA. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on March 05, 2018, 05:57:22 PM

Quote

“Do you think that was shots?” a woman asks in the clip as she begins to sob. “I’ve never heard a gunshot.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/white-house-lock-shots-fired-reported-nearby-article-1.3852826

What is the message here?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on March 06, 2018, 02:24:14 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 05, 2018, 11:05:36 AM

I've been predicting for a while the the wack-a-doodle
left are going to nominate a presidential candidate that
will openly spew their lefty tripe and screech their
hatred.

They will lose by a landslide if they think they can sell
the American public on the stuff that goes on inside
their tiny brains.

The only way the left get their idea to pass is by telling
lies about them. Example: If you like your plan, you like
your doctor, you can keep it. If you vote in Obama care
then your medical insurance will go down by $2500 per
year.

If the lefty nutters nominate one of their own and they
tell the truth, Trump will be elected to a second term.

California Dems’ hard-left turn could be the whole party’s future
https://nypost.com/2018/03/02/california-dems-hard-left-turn-could-be-the-whole-partys-future/

The top 15 Democratic presidential candidates for 2020, ranked
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/22/the-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-for-2020-ranked/?utm_term=.37ad2fd6dab9

This article calls left wing wacko Kamala Harris a
"centrist lawmaker"
10 Democrats to watch in 2020
http://www.businessinsider.com/10-democrats-2020-president-2017-11

Sadly it’s all too common for much of the liberal media, to call lefty & socialist political movements centrist. I can only assume it’s done to gain votes from the less well read people with centrist politics.

Likewise anyone right leaning or simply pointing out the truth, gets tagged as right wing or alt right. Again, I can only assume it’s designed to make their views appear extreme or bad.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on March 06, 2018, 02:52:59 AM

Quote from: rosco on March 06, 2018, 02:24:14 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 05, 2018, 11:05:36 AM
I've been predicting for a while the the wack-a-doodle
left are going to nominate a presidential candidate that
will openly spew their lefty tripe and screech their
hatred.

They will lose by a landslide if they think they can sell
the American public on the stuff that goes on inside
their tiny brains.

..and yet they got MORE vote than the 'winner', last time

If Trampu gets elected - again - then it confirms that USians are a breed apart - time to check those hormones and GM crops;)

What you may be referring as 'liberal' IS centrist in most nations...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 06, 2018, 06:51:49 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 05, 2018, 04:51:09 PM

BTW you called Trump an ass clown shortly after he started to run in 2016 and he’s now President of the USA. :chuckle:

I did.

In many respects I think that description is still accurate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 06, 2018, 07:26:39 AM

Quote from: rosco on March 06, 2018, 02:24:14 AM

Sadly it’s all too common for much of the liberal media, to call lefty & socialist political movements centrist. I can only assume it’s done to gain votes from the less well read people with centrist politics.

Likewise anyone right leaning or simply pointing out the truth, gets tagged as right wing or alt right. Again, I can only assume it’s designed to make their views appear extreme or bad.

Left - Centre - Right is a false dichotomy used to make it easier to program the sheeple. Every country has a different image of the range and within each country the range is used to confuse and control.

Rather than thinking in terms of left, right, centre, I'd suggest looking at the issues and, to some degree, the people and vote for those. The U.S system is particularly pernicious, it must be said, and makes it even harder to vote for issues or people.

In general, attaching labels to groups of people is not, I think, a great way to go, especially when those labels are coined in order to denigrate and minimise the people so labelled.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 06, 2018, 08:36:36 AM

Quote from: msmoby on March 06, 2018, 02:52:59 AM

1..and yet they got MORE vote than the 'winner', last time

2. If Trampu gets elected - again - then it confirms that USians are a breed apart - time to check those hormones and GM crops;)

3. What you may be referring as 'liberal' IS centrist in most nations...

1. The left in the USA thinks that Hillary was too far to the
right. That's why they are going to nominate a real lefty
this time. Hillary was able to convince many that she was
somewhat centrist. 25% of Americans consider themselves
liberals

3. UK/Euro citizens don't get to vote in US elections and
the USA isn't a democracy, so we don't really need to
consider what side of the road they drive on in other
countries for our elections.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 06, 2018, 09:07:32 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 05, 2018, 04:13:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 05, 2018, 03:56:38 PM
From now on all of them should refuse to cooperate. Fcuk Mueller.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/former-trump-aide-sam-nunberg-called-before-grand-jury-says-he-will-refuse-to-go/2018/03/05/24c8b86a-20a9-11e8-badd-7c9f29a55815_story.html

What an ass clown. This guy is a babbling idiot just seeking his 10 minutes of fame in the media. Trump fired him from the campaign and he's claiming he came up with several if the Trump talking points. If he's REALLY received a subpoena he'll show up, I'd bet money on it.

Turns out you’re right about this jerk. Just a media whore.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 06, 2018, 09:09:20 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 06, 2018, 07:26:39 AM

Quote from: rosco on March 06, 2018, 02:24:14 AM

Sadly it’s all too common for much of the liberal media, to call lefty & socialist political movements centrist. I can only assume it’s done to gain votes from the less well read people with centrist politics.

Likewise anyone right leaning or simply pointing out the truth, gets tagged as right wing or alt right. Again, I can only assume it’s designed to make their views appear extreme or bad.

Left - Centre - Right is a false dichotomy used to make it easier to program the sheeple. Every country has a different image of the range and within each country the range is used to confuse and control.

Rather than thinking in terms of left, right, centre, I'd suggest looking at the issues and, to some degree, the people and vote for those. The U.S system is particularly pernicious, it must be said, and makes it even harder to vote for issues or people.

In general, attaching labels to groups of people is not, I think, a great way to go, especially when those labels are coined in order to denigrate and minimise the people so labelled.

The choice is free will and self determination versus cradle to grave nanny state.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on March 06, 2018, 09:52:19 AM

Quote from: msmoby on March 06, 2018, 02:52:59 AM

..and yet they got MORE vote than the 'winner', last time

If Trampu gets elected - again - then it confirms that USians are a breed apart - time to check those hormones and GM crops;)

What you may be referring as 'liberal' IS centrist in most nations...

You messed up the quotes so just to be clear ^^^

I disagree. When I broadly refer to a group as liberal, I mean liberal. Left wing groups with their left wing ideas will never be centrist except from on the BBC and people like you.

France, Germany & The Netherlands has seen an inflection when it comes to right leaning, populist, anti establishment, anti socialist politics. We had Trump win the US elections, the UK voting to leave the EU and now Italy forming a right leaning government as we speak. France, Austria, Germany, UK, The Netherlands, Poland & Hungry to name but a few are on the turn. I suspect this is the beginning of the end for the EU as we know it.

I found it hilarious that the BBC suggested that the result of the Italian election is a mess, with a hung parliament and guaranteed instability. Over 70% of the vote went to right leaning parties and only Diane Abbott could get that wrong. Italy's more Europe party didn't even get 3% of the vote.

I predict this trend will continue as the people get fed up of liberal/socialist/globalist/diversity driven policy, which has started to rot away at the west.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 06, 2018, 10:23:29 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 06, 2018, 09:07:32 AM

Turns out you’re right about this jerk. Just a media whore.

Damn.

I thought you were going to give me a chance to win some of my money back :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 06, 2018, 03:45:52 PM

Trump's top economic advisor resigns, bugger me another one, Queeg mentality strikes again.

Gary Cohn, no doubt the Trump arse lickers here will say he's no good, and was gonna get the boot any way...

Come on - a lot of his aides have resigned ie most, what does that say, superb leader of men or total bell-end.

My money is on bell-end.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 06, 2018, 04:29:19 PM

It's about time

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/06/gowdy-goodlatte-demand-appointment-special-counsel.amp.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on March 06, 2018, 04:40:48 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 06, 2018, 07:26:39 AM

Left - Centre - Right is a false dichotomy used to make it easier to program the sheeple. Every country has a different image of the range and within each country the range is used to confuse and control.

Rather than thinking in terms of left, right, centre, I'd suggest looking at the issues and, to some degree, the people and vote for those. The U.S system is particularly pernicious, it must be said, and makes it even harder to vote for issues or people.

It is not so much pernicious as complicated or shall we say highly seasoned. My guess is when Roe versus Wade was handed down this trend began. The will to find compromise has largely disappeared from the American political landscape.

Quote from: andrewfi on March 06, 2018, 07:26:39 AM

In general, attaching labels to groups of people is not, I think, a great way to go, especially when those labels are coined in order to denigrate and minimise the people so labelled.

True and yet we do this in our community think in regard to Moby and before others such as Westy or Mendy who no longer post. I wonder who insisted and promoted 'kill piggy.'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 06, 2018, 04:46:44 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 06, 2018, 03:45:52 PM

Trump's top economic advisor resigns, bugger me another one, Queeg mentality strikes again.

Gary Cohn, no doubt the Trump arse lickers here will say he's no good, and was gonna get the boot any way...

Come on - a lot of his aides have resigned ie most, what does that say, superb leader of men or total bell-end.

My money is on bell-end.

Ste do you favor workers having the right to earn a living or do you favor Wall Street greed and profit?

Gary Cohn, former executive at Goldman Sachs, does not support President Trump’s trade agenda. The Trump America first economic agenda has a goal of bringing jobs back home to America with trade policies that punish countries who don’t treat our goods fairly. Nations that engage in unfair trade policies are subject to punishment in the form of tariffs. Cohn has slow walked and opposed Trump’s tough actions on trade during his time in the Trump Administration.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/01/woodson-gary-cohn-versus-president-trump-trade/amp/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 06, 2018, 04:49:22 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 06, 2018, 04:46:44 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 06, 2018, 03:45:52 PM
Trump's top economic advisor resigns, bugger me another one, Queeg mentality strikes again.

Gary Cohn, no doubt the Trump arse lickers here will say he's no good, and was gonna get the boot any way...

Come on - a lot of his aides have resigned ie most, what does that say, superb leader of men or total bell-end.

My money is on bell-end.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/01/woodson-gary-cohn-versus-president-trump-trade/amp/

So schoolboy economics ie Trump vs common sense ie not Trump..

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 06, 2018, 04:52:16 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 06, 2018, 04:49:22 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 06, 2018, 04:46:44 PM
Quote from: Ste on March 06, 2018, 03:45:52 PM
Trump's top economic advisor resigns, bugger me another one, Queeg mentality strikes again.

Gary Cohn, no doubt the Trump arse lickers here will say he's no good, and was gonna get the boot any way...

Come on - a lot of his aides have resigned ie most, what does that say, superb leader of men or total bell-end.

My money is on bell-end.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/01/woodson-gary-cohn-versus-president-trump-trade/amp/

So schoolboy economics ie Trump vs common sense ie not Trump..

Look at my edit. I thought you believed in a workers paradise?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 06, 2018, 04:55:58 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 06, 2018, 03:45:52 PM

Come on - a lot of his aides have resigned ie most, what does that say, superb leader of men or total bell-end.

My money is on bell-end.

There are 1,212 senior leaders, including the Cabinet secretaries and their deputies, the heads of most independent agencies and ambassadors. There are 78 Obama appointees still on the job.

A FEW of his aides have resigned.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 06, 2018, 05:22:46 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 06, 2018, 04:49:22 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 06, 2018, 04:46:44 PM
Quote from: Ste on March 06, 2018, 03:45:52 PM
Trump's top economic advisor resigns, bugger me another one, Queeg mentality strikes again.

Gary Cohn, no doubt the Trump arse lickers here will say he's no good, and was gonna get the boot any way...

Come on - a lot of his aides have resigned ie most, what does that say, superb leader of men or total bell-end.

My money is on bell-end.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/01/woodson-gary-cohn-versus-president-trump-trade/amp/

So schoolboy economics ie Trump vs common sense ie not Trump..

Turns out Ste is secretly a greedy capitalist Pig!

If one truly favors workers rights the only choice is to agree with Trump on trade.

Or admit to favoring profit at all costs! Which one Ste?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on March 07, 2018, 12:36:45 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 06, 2018, 08:36:36 AM

3. UK/Euro citizens don't get to vote in US elections and
the USA isn't a democracy, so we don't really need to
consider what side of the road they drive on in other
countries for our elections.

Can I bear this in mind when you contribute on Brexit threads ? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 07, 2018, 07:18:08 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 06, 2018, 04:55:58 PM

There are 1,212 senior leaders, including the Cabinet secretaries and their deputies, the heads of most independent agencies and ambassadors. There are 78 Obama appointees still on the job.

A FEW of his aides have resigned.

The problem is twofold: 1) The Democrats in the Senate have been slow walking all his appointments as part of their "resist" movement, 2) Trump has been negligent in sending names to the Senate for appointment. There are almost 250 unfilled jobs for which Trump has not submitted a nomination.

If a cabinet member cannot in good conscious implement the instructions of the President, it is his duty to resign. Apparently Cohn's opposition to tariffs on our trading partners was strong enough he felt that he needed to resign. Totally proper.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2018, 09:04:21 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2018, 07:18:08 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 06, 2018, 04:55:58 PM
There are 1,212 senior leaders, including the Cabinet secretaries and their deputies, the heads of most independent agencies and ambassadors. There are 78 Obama appointees still on the job.

A FEW of his aides have resigned.

The problem is twofold: 1) The Democrats in the Senate have been slow walking all his appointments as part of their "resist" movement, 2) Trump has been negligent in sending names to the Senate for appointment. There are almost 250 unfilled jobs for which Trump has not submitted a nomination.

If a cabinet member cannot in good conscious implement the instructions of the President, it is his duty to resign. Apparently Cohn's opposition to tariffs on our trading partners was strong enough he felt that he needed to resign. Totally proper.

If the Democrats regain Congress later this year could they succeed at forcing President Trump out of Office?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 07, 2018, 09:24:08 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 07, 2018, 09:04:21 AM

If the Democrats regain Congress later this year could they succeed at forcing President Trump out of Office?

Not likely. It would be another Bill Clinton.

The House could pass articles of impeachment by a simple majority vote. The Senate must convict by 2/3 majority. Assuming the Democrats could get 51 seats in the Senate in November (HIGHLY unlikely), they'd need 16 Republicans to join them in order to convict and remove Trump from office. I'd say there is a small probability that that many "Never Trump" Republicans exist that would rather see Pence fill out the remaining term but I'd say it is highly unlikely.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 07, 2018, 09:28:55 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 07, 2018, 09:04:21 AM

If the Democrats regain Congress later this year could they succeed at forcing President Trump out of Office?

Not a snowballs chance in Hell.
Edit to add I agree with Shakey's analysis above

Regarding taking Congress
The Dems think that they can win by
1. Hating Trump
2. Being far left weirdo's
3. Hating Trump

My view is they fail miserably and melt down in total
hysteria not unlike Sissy Spacek did in the movie
Carrie

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 07, 2018, 09:47:04 AM

Quote from: msmoby on March 07, 2018, 12:36:45 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 06, 2018, 08:36:36 AM

3. UK/Euro citizens don't get to vote in US elections and
the USA isn't a democracy, so we don't really need to
consider what side of the road they drive on in other
countries for our elections.

Can I bear this in mind when you contribute on Brexit threads ? :chuckle:

I have repeatedly said that I have no horse in the Brexit
thread. I've never said that I am for Brexit. I really think
that the people of the UK are more than capable of making
their own decisions.

I just don't think that the UK is going to fall apart and I
don't think that all the tough talkers of the EU that enjoy
selling the UK goods and services are going to do anything
to get themselves shut out of that market.

If you read my Brexit posts you will find that 100% of them
are about
1. The apocalypse isn't coming
2. The tough talking EU politicians will stop talking tough
the moment that their industry leaders pick up the phone.
3. Politicians are politicians

Lastly, I don't mind you and others posting contrary views
in this thread, I welcome them. My point is that we elect
our President based on what we think of him and not what
people in _______________ (enter non US country here)
think of him.

What's centrists politics in other countries is irrelevant to
the centrists views here. That is/was my point.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2018, 10:02:31 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 07, 2018, 09:24:08 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 07, 2018, 09:04:21 AM
If the Democrats regain Congress later this year could they succeed at forcing President Trump out of Office?

Not likely. It would be another Bill Clinton.

The House could pass articles of impeachment by a simple majority vote. The Senate must convict by 2/3 majority. Assuming the Democrats could get 51 seats in the Senate in November (HIGHLY unlikely), they'd need 16 Republicans to join them in order to convict and remove Trump from office. I'd say there is a small probability that that many "Never Trump" Republicans exist that would rather see Pence fill out the remaining term but I'd say it is highly unlikely.

Thank you. I will admit to being slightly worried due to a lack of technical knowledge on the issue.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2018, 10:04:26 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 07, 2018, 09:28:55 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 07, 2018, 09:04:21 AM

If the Democrats regain Congress later this year could they succeed at forcing President Trump out of Office?

Not a snowballs chance in Hell.
Edit to add I agree with Shakey's analysis above

Regarding taking Congress
The Dems think that they can win by
1. Hating Trump
2. Being far left weirdo's
3. Hating Trump

My view is they fail miserably and melt down in total
hysteria not unlike Sissy Spacek did in the movie
Carrie

Thank you! I enjoyed your comparison to the Sissy Spacek movie. If only... :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2018, 11:37:51 AM

500 jobs coming back?

http://www.wtae.com/article/us-steel-will-restart-granite-city-steel-plant/19154100

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2018, 08:50:30 AM

Progress on North Korea?

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/6/trump-cites-possible-progress-in-talks-with-nkorea/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2018, 09:58:16 AM

:chuckle:

https://www.facebook.com/ElectTrump2020/photos/a.739990656150374.1073741828.739440422872064/1052509371565166/?type=3

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 08, 2018, 11:00:48 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 08, 2018, 09:58:16 AM

:chuckle:

https://www.facebook.com/ElectTrump2020/photos/a.739990656150374.1073741828.739440422872064/1052509371565166/?type=3

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2018, 11:11:20 AM

It gets even better. Trump really knows how to appeal to his base. :chuckle:

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/5181830/president-trump-execute-drug-dealers-opiod-crisis

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 08, 2018, 03:49:49 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 08, 2018, 08:50:30 AM

Progress on North Korea?

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/6/trump-cites-possible-progress-in-talks-with-nkorea/

South Korea is going to be making an announcement later this evening

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 08, 2018, 05:30:31 PM

So President Trump is going to meet with with the north Korean leader.
Like him or not, President Trump is making many doubters reconsider
..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2018, 05:37:27 PM

President Trump signs for tariffs on aluminum and steel. Canada and Mexico are
exempted.

Fox News link

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/08/trump-imposing-tariffs-on-all-steel-aluminum-imports-exempts-mexico-and-canada-for-now.amp.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2018, 05:53:39 PM

WSJ link on tariffs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/trump-to-meet-metal-workers-as-aides-ready-tariff-rollout-1520517821

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 08, 2018, 10:31:01 PM

Fake news Yahoo and the AP point out that liberal candidate in Texas outraised
Cruz for 2 quarters and must be losing his mojo.

In the Primaries on Tuesday
Ted Cruz the Republican got 1,317,450 votes and
O'Rourke the Democrat got 641,324 votes
However that was never mentioned in the article.

The article points out that O'Roarke collected more money in two quarters
forgetting to mention that Cruz has the larger campaign war chest. $7.3
million to O'Rourke's $4.6 million.

The article makes it look like Cruz is going to lose. :laugh: :laugh:
Watch out for that big blue wave!

Outraised and outhustled, is Sen. Ted Cruz losing his mojo?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/outraised-outhustled-sen-ted-cruz-losing-mojo-231411677--election.html

How about this one? He only gets 58% of the vote
George P Bush's struggle in Texas may signal end of 70-year political dynasty
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/03/george-p-bush-texas-vote-is-this-the-last-of-a-political-dynasty

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on March 08, 2018, 11:49:46 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on March 08, 2018, 05:30:31 PM

So President Trump is going to meet with with the north Korean leader.
Like him or not, President Trump is making many doubters reconsider
..

Ah, another poster that STILL can't see his 'Emperor' ain't wearing clothes...

In the real world - wiser poster can see N.Korea is simply doing it's normal trick of cranking it up and then getting more money

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 09, 2018, 06:11:32 AM

Quote from: msmoby on March 08, 2018, 11:49:46 PM

Ah, another poster that STILL can't see his 'Emperor' ain't wearing clothes...

In the real world - wiser poster can see N.Korea is simply doing it's normal trick of cranking it up and then getting more money

Probably true - yet another "Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown"

However Trump has not rolled back any sanction or relaxed any diplomatic pressure. And I don't believe he will until he gets what he wants -

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on March 09, 2018, 07:14:10 AM

Quote from: msmoby on March 08, 2018, 11:49:46 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on March 08, 2018, 05:30:31 PM
So President Trump is going to meet with with the north Korean leader.
Like him or not, President Trump is making many doubters reconsider
..

Ah, another poster that STILL can't see his 'Emperor' ain't wearing clothes...

In the real world - wiser poster can see N.Korea is simply doing it's normal trick of cranking it up and then getting more money

Possibly but I was shocked to see one of my nationalist, argumentative, liberal/socialist, anti Trump friends praising Don on Facebook today.

Sometimes even the extremists see it for what it is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 09, 2018, 07:35:16 AM

I doubt that North Korea is being duplicitous here. They have goals and they and the U.S president have taken a step toward each other on a path that enables those goals.

It looks as though Russian diplomatic initiatives WRT DPRK have paid off.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 09, 2018, 09:39:45 AM

Quote from: msmoby on March 08, 2018, 11:49:46 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on March 08, 2018, 05:30:31 PM
So President Trump is going to meet with with the north Korean leader.
Like him or not, President Trump is making many doubters reconsider
..

Ah, another poster that STILL can't see his 'Emperor' ain't wearing clothes...

In the real world - wiser poster can see N.Korea is simply doing it's normal trick of cranking it up and then getting more money

https://www.facebook.com/Capitalists/photos/a.226491315514.290842.188355460514/10160252317315515/?type=3

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 09, 2018, 02:30:51 PM

313,000 jobs added in February. Also the Dow had another good day.
President Trump continues on course make America great again

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/09/business/economy/jobs-report.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 09, 2018, 02:56:03 PM

Why the progs hate Trump. :laugh:

The initial result so far is not rocket science, but rather a natural expression of what happens when millions of Americans believe they have greater freedom and safety to profit and innovate, and trust they will not be punished, materially or psychologically, for the ensuing successful results. The radical upsurge in business and consumer confidence is not revolutionary but almost natural.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/01/president-trump-undoes-obama-legacy-commonsense-nobama/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 09, 2018, 03:41:58 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 09, 2018, 02:56:03 PM

Why the progs hate Trump. :laugh:

The initial result so far is not rocket science, but rather a natural expression of what happens when millions of Americans believe they have greater freedom and safety to profit and innovate, and trust they will not be punished, materially or psychologically, for the ensuing successful results. The radical upsurge in business and consumer confidence is not revolutionary but almost natural.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/01/president-trump-undoes-obama-legacy-commonsense-nobama/

Like I said, thick as pig shit...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180309/91048392eb8b8a03bb6952cd310c527e.jpg)

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on March 09, 2018, 03:44:15 PM

DPRK will likely play it like with President Nixon and the SALT agreement with the Soviet Union. Call off the sanctions and go with SALT discussions since all sides are on a "level playing field" now. :8)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on March 09, 2018, 03:47:35 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 09, 2018, 03:41:58 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 09, 2018, 02:56:03 PM
Why the progs hate Trump. :laugh:

The initial result so far is not rocket science, but rather a natural expression of what happens when millions of Americans believe they have greater freedom and safety to profit and innovate, and trust they will not be punished, materially or psychologically, for the ensuing successful results. The radical upsurge in business and consumer confidence is not revolutionary but almost natural.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/01/president-trump-undoes-obama-legacy-commonsense-nobama/

Like I said, thick as pig shit...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180309/91048392eb8b8a03bb6952cd310c527e.jpg)

.

Some people need to dumped to Mumbai where deaths occur daily on the transportation system and summer heat stroke is common. :duh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 09, 2018, 06:47:44 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 09, 2018, 03:41:58 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 09, 2018, 02:56:03 PM
Why the progs hate Trump. :laugh:

The initial result so far is not rocket science, but rather a natural expression of what happens when millions of Americans believe they have greater freedom and safety to profit and innovate, and trust they will not be punished, materially or psychologically, for the ensuing successful results. The radical upsurge in business and consumer confidence is not revolutionary but almost natural.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/01/president-trump-undoes-obama-legacy-commonsense-nobama/

Like I said, thick as pig shit...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180309/91048392eb8b8a03bb6952cd310c527e.jpg)

.

Ooooh a clever meme proves everything. :sick0012:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/09/top-10-global-warming-lies-that-may-shock-you/amp/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 09, 2018, 07:14:59 PM

Phenomenal jobs report boosts the stock market by over 400 points!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/03/09/labor-force-increase-is-biggest-since-2003-as-many-americans-finally-get-back-to-work.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 09, 2018, 07:17:08 PM

Stock market up 440 points on perfect jobs report.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.barrons.com/amp/articles/markets-now-dow-edges-higher-as-markets-wait-on-wages-1520601274

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on March 10, 2018, 03:03:13 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 09, 2018, 06:47:44 PM

Ooooh a clever meme proves everything. :sick0012:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/09/top-10-global-warming-lies-that-may-shock-you/amp/

Sorry, but global warming IS real, denying it won't make it go away. Just like the orchestra that kept playing while titanic sank.

Title: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on March 10, 2018, 03:35:00 AM

Quote from: Markje on March 10, 2018, 03:03:13 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 09, 2018, 06:47:44 PM
Ooooh a clever meme proves everything. :sick0012:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/09/top-10-global-warming-lies-that-may-shock-you/amp/
Sorry, but global warming IS real, denying it won't make it go away. Just like the orchestra that kept playing while titanic sank.

Is it manmade global warming or a natural climate change cycle? Can scientists answer this question definitively? I mean, they aren’t gods. Back in university I took a very good course called “The History of Science” (as a humanities major, this course was cross-listed and could be taken to get the obligatory science credit :thumbsup:).

The major take away from this course was that, throughout history, scientific study has always built models to explain things, which then become The Truth. And then hundreds of years later (sometimes less, sometimes more), scientific investigation blows this truth up and replaces it with a new Truth. I’m not knocking science, I’m saying this is the (human) nature of science and it’s quite fascinating.

I’m not a denier, but I’m generally sceptical of all things presented to us as The Immutable Truth that is beyond question. Because things always change, even the climate.

I can’t help but being suspicious that perhaps our hubris might have something to do with the construct of manmade climate change. Perhaps we give ourselves too much credit. Indeed, we definitely see this with the premise that “humans are destroying the planet” - that’s chalk-full of hubris. If humans are indeed the problem, then mother earth will certainly take steps to purge the parasite from the host. :laughing:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 10, 2018, 07:39:59 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 09, 2018, 06:47:44 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 09, 2018, 03:41:58 PM
Quote from: Confederate on March 09, 2018, 02:56:03 PM
Why the progs hate Trump. :laugh:

The initial result so far is not rocket science, but rather a natural expression of what happens when millions of Americans believe they have greater freedom and safety to profit and innovate, and trust they will not be punished, materially or psychologically, for the ensuing successful results. The radical upsurge in business and consumer confidence is not revolutionary but almost natural.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/01/president-trump-undoes-obama-legacy-commonsense-nobama/

Like I said, thick as pig shit...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180309/91048392eb8b8a03bb6952cd310c527e.jpg)

.

Ooooh a clever meme proves everything. :sick0012:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/09/top-10-global-warming-lies-that-may-shock-you/amp/

It was more to show how thick he is, I mean, come on, the man is depriving a village of it's idiot somewhere....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 10, 2018, 07:48:06 AM

Quote from: Jerash on March 10, 2018, 03:35:00 AM

Quote from: Markje on March 10, 2018, 03:03:13 AM
Quote from: Confederate on March 09, 2018, 06:47:44 PM
Ooooh a clever meme proves everything. :sick0012:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/09/top-10-global-warming-lies-that-may-shock-you/amp/
Sorry, but global warming IS real, denying it won't make it go away. Just like the orchestra that kept playing while titanic sank.

Is it manmade global warming or a natural climate change cycle? Can scientists answer this question definitively? I mean, they aren’t gods. Back in university I took a very good course called “The History of Science” (as a humanities major, this course was cross-listed and could be taken to get the obligatory science credit :thumbsup:).

The major take away from this course was that, throughout history, scientific study has always built models to explain things, which then become The Truth. And then hundreds of years later (sometimes less, sometimes more), scientific investigation blows this truth up and replaces it with a new Truth. I’m not knocking science, I’m saying this is the (human) nature of science and it’s quite fascinating.

I’m not a denier, but I’m generally sceptical of all things presented to us as The Immutable Truth that is beyond question. Because things always change, even the climate.

I can’t help but being suspicious that perhaps our hubris might have something to do with the construct of manmade climate change. Perhaps we give ourselves too much credit. Indeed, we definitely see this with the premise that “humans are destroying the planet” - that’s chalk-full of hubris. If humans are indeed the problem, then mother earth will certainly take steps to purge the parasite from the host. :laughing:

I find myself in strange agreement with Jerash. I do believe that some of climate change is manmade. I also believe mankind should work to improve. And finally even if we do improve the difference man can make is infinitesimal.

The political push is just a financial shakedown.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 10, 2018, 07:56:56 AM

Quote from: Ste on March 10, 2018, 07:39:59 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 09, 2018, 06:47:44 PM
Quote from: Ste on March 09, 2018, 03:41:58 PM
Quote from: Confederate on March 09, 2018, 02:56:03 PM
Why the progs hate Trump. :laugh:

The initial result so far is not rocket science, but rather a natural expression of what happens when millions of Americans believe they have greater freedom and safety to profit and innovate, and trust they will not be punished, materially or psychologically, for the ensuing successful results. The radical upsurge in business and consumer confidence is not revolutionary but almost natural.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/01/president-trump-undoes-obama-legacy-commonsense-nobama/

Like I said, thick as pig shit...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180309/91048392eb8b8a03bb6952cd310c527e.jpg)

.

Ooooh a clever meme proves everything. :sick0012:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/09/top-10-global-warming-lies-that-may-shock-you/amp/

It was more to show how thick he is, I mean, come on, the man is depriving a village of it's idiot somewhere....

The village idiot was Obama. Here’s something that moron did:

Calling a small pond or large puddle on a farm’s low spot an “inland waterway” subject to federal regulation is deranged; undoing that was not radical, but commonsensical.

Onerous regulations was the hallmark of Hussein O. Thank God for the wisdom of Trump!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on March 10, 2018, 08:03:59 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 10, 2018, 07:48:06 AM

Quote from: Jerash on March 10, 2018, 03:35:00 AM
Quote from: Markje on March 10, 2018, 03:03:13 AM
Quote from: Confederate on March 09, 2018, 06:47:44 PM
Ooooh a clever meme proves everything. :sick0012:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/09/top-10-global-warming-lies-that-may-shock-you/amp/
Sorry, but global warming IS real, denying it won't make it go away. Just like the orchestra that kept playing while titanic sank.

Is it manmade global warming or a natural climate change cycle? Can scientists answer this question definitively? I mean, they aren’t gods. Back in university I took a very good course called “The History of Science” (as a humanities major, this course was cross-listed and could be taken to get the obligatory science credit :thumbsup:).

The major take away from this course was that, throughout history, scientific study has always built models to explain things, which then become The Truth. And then hundreds of years later (sometimes less, sometimes more), scientific investigation blows this truth up and replaces it with a new Truth. I’m not knocking science, I’m saying this is the (human) nature of science and it’s quite fascinating.

I’m not a denier, but I’m generally sceptical of all things presented to us as The Immutable Truth that is beyond question. Because things always change, even the climate.

I can’t help but being suspicious that perhaps our hubris might have something to do with the construct of manmade climate change. Perhaps we give ourselves too much credit. Indeed, we definitely see this with the premise that “humans are destroying the planet” - that’s chalk-full of hubris. If humans are indeed the problem, then mother earth will certainly take steps to purge the parasite from the host. :laughing:

I find myself in strange agreement with Jerash. I do believe that some of climate change is manmade. I also believe mankind should work to improve. And finally even if we do improve the difference man can make is infinitesimal.

The political push is just a financial shakedown.

It’s not strange if you understand that we don’t all always agree all the time!

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on March 10, 2018, 08:04:28 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 10, 2018, 07:48:06 AM

Quote from: Jerash on March 10, 2018, 03:35:00 AM
Quote from: Markje on March 10, 2018, 03:03:13 AM
Quote from: Confederate on March 09, 2018, 06:47:44 PM
Ooooh a clever meme proves everything. :sick0012:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/09/top-10-global-warming-lies-that-may-shock-you/amp/
Sorry, but global warming IS real, denying it won't make it go away. Just like the orchestra that kept playing while titanic sank.

Is it manmade global warming or a natural climate change cycle? Can scientists answer this question definitively? I mean, they aren’t gods. Back in university I took a very good course called “The History of Science” (as a humanities major, this course was cross-listed and could be taken to get the obligatory science credit :thumbsup:).

The major take away from this course was that, throughout history, scientific study has always built models to explain things, which then become The Truth. And then hundreds of years later (sometimes less, sometimes more), scientific investigation blows this truth up and replaces it with a new Truth. I’m not knocking science, I’m saying this is the (human) nature of science and it’s quite fascinating.

I’m not a denier, but I’m generally sceptical of all things presented to us as The Immutable Truth that is beyond question. Because things always change, even the climate.

I can’t help but being suspicious that perhaps our hubris might have something to do with the construct of manmade climate change. Perhaps we give ourselves too much credit. Indeed, we definitely see this with the premise that “humans are destroying the planet” - that’s chalk-full of hubris. If humans are indeed the problem, then mother earth will certainly take steps to purge the parasite from the host. :laughing:

I find myself in strange agreement with Jerash. I do believe that some of climate change is manmade. I also believe mankind should work to improve. And finally even if we do improve the difference man can make is infinitesimal.

I took a University course regarding how art is viewed over time. It echoed allot of Jerash noted and I find nothing strange with common sense.

If you look at the week in Washington I suspect and fear the trade tariffs regarding steel will come back to bite Trump. If the sanctions were more targeted I suspect the reality would be different. On the other hand the reality of face to face discussions with North Korea prove many of the doomsayers here on RUA and in the press what a collection of used toilet paper they can be.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 10, 2018, 09:14:16 AM

If Trump succeeds where Obama failed on North Korea, maybe he will get Nobel Peace Prize – and deserve it

https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-resolve-north-korea-nuclear-crisis-where-barack-obama-failed-win-nobel-peace-prize-a8242731.html%3famp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 10, 2018, 02:03:18 PM

Quote from: Markje on March 10, 2018, 03:03:13 AM

Sorry, but global warming IS real, denying it won't make it go away.
Just like the orchestra that kept playing while titanic sank.

The Earth has been gradually warming since the last ice age.
The global warming alarmists are quick to paint every single
event on Earth as being caused by global warming.

The Earth gets warmer and cooler over very long periods of
time. During the vast majority of the Earths existence there
hasn't been year round ice at the poles.

So you say that we are having global warming, my next reply
is so what? Deciding that we must spend Trillions on trying to
change the course of very long term weather trends is ridiculous.

According to the most cRaZy environmentalists if we do everything
they say, we might accomplish what??!!?! A one or two degree
temperature change in a hundred years?

What they really want is the power to tell us what to do. The fact
that if we actually do what they tell us to do the results are nearly
immeasurable a hundred years later is proof that we need to ignore
them.

Look at the silly stuff that people do to make themselves feel better.
The Belgians and the Italians allow their politicians to make them pay
$7.08 per gallon for gas.

I pay $2.22 a gallon for gas at Sam's club, but those Belgians and Italians
get to feel good about doing their part to save the Earth. I wonder if they
paid $20 per gallon if they would feel even better? Did they save a polar
bear? or a baby seal? Do the people in Hawaii need to thank them for
saving them from drowning? Or is feeling special enough?

I don't need to feel special, so I will pay $2.22 rather than $7.08

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 10, 2018, 02:21:38 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 10, 2018, 09:14:16 AM

If Trump succeeds where Obama failed on North Korea, maybe he will get Nobel Peace Prize – and deserve it

https://www.google.com/amp/www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-resolve-north-korea-nuclear-crisis-where-barack-obama-failed-win-nobel-peace-prize-a8242731.html%3famp

The liberal Norgies will NEVER give him the Nobel Peace Prize. They gave Carter one as a - and I am quoting the chair of the selection committee here - "kick in the leg" to George W. Bush and then gave it to Obama after 11 days in office....for NOT being George W. Bush.

They gave it to Gorby back in 1990 for losing the Cold War, and they'd give it to to KJU alone, without Trump, because that's how they are.

That said, it would be delish if they did. Libs would be getting this PSA: "Suicide Hotline - It's not for Cubs fans anymore!" :chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on March 10, 2018, 03:35:37 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 10, 2018, 02:03:18 PM

Look at the silly stuff that people do to make themselves feel better.
The Belgians and the Italians allow their politicians to make them pay
$7.08 per gallon for gas.

I pay $2.22 a gallon for gas at Sam's club, but those Belgians and Italians
get to feel good about doing their part to save the Earth. I wonder if they
paid $20 per gallon if they would feel even better? Did they save a polar
bear? or a baby seal? Do the people in Hawaii need to thank them for
saving them from drowning? Or is feeling special enough?

I don't need to feel special, so I will pay $2.22 rather than $7.08

Oh no, they're after me lucky gasoline!

We spend so much money at Giant Eagle (a grocery store) that we often 'earn' our tanks for free through their fuel-perk program. For better or worse, the United States will be burning fossil fuels well into the future.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 10, 2018, 04:08:23 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on March 10, 2018, 03:35:37 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 10, 2018, 02:03:18 PM
Look at the silly stuff that people do to make themselves feel better.
The Belgians and the Italians allow their politicians to make them pay
$7.08 per gallon for gas.

I pay $2.22 a gallon for gas at Sam's club, but those Belgians and Italians
get to feel good about doing their part to save the Earth. I wonder if they
paid $20 per gallon if they would feel even better? Did they save a polar
bear? or a baby seal? Do the people in Hawaii need to thank them for
saving them from drowning? Or is feeling special enough?

I don't need to feel special, so I will pay $2.22 rather than $7.08

Oh no, they're after me lucky gasoline!

We spend so much money at Giant Eagle (a grocery store) that we often 'earn' our tanks for free through their fuel-perk program. For better or worse, the United States will be burning fossil fuels well into the future.

I’m pissed to be paying an average of $2.75 a gallon compared to Bill paying less! Cannot imagine paying what they pay in Europe! Socialist suckers. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on March 10, 2018, 04:34:01 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 10, 2018, 02:03:18 PM

The Earth gets warmer and cooler over very long periods of
time. During the vast majority of the Earths existence there
hasn't been year round ice at the poles.

So you admit global warming exists. As does global cooling or we'd never have ice-ages.

Quote

So you say that we are having global warming, my next reply
is so what? Deciding that we must spend Trillions on trying to
change the course of very long term weather trends is ridiculous.

Since we as species (human et. al.) are pretty breakable and not fit for
huge cold or hot spells, i'd say global warming is a disaster. We should
do everything we can to fight it.

Quote

According to the most cRaZy environmentalists if we do everything
they say, we might accomplish what??!!?! A one or two degree
temperature change in a hundred years?

You have no idea, how much difference those 2 degrees make.
It can mean the difference between new york by the sea, or new york IN the sea.

Quote

What they really want is the power to tell us what to do. The fact
that if we actually do what they tell us to do the results are nearly
immeasurable a hundred years later is proof that we need to ignore
them.

If only that was true, i'd stop immediately with trying to fight the global warming.
But it isn't , it is the sad truth that many americans do not feel like europeans
over global warming. This is one of the few issue's I think Trump is wrong about.
Net Neutrality the other.

Quote

Look at the silly stuff that people do to make themselves feel better.
The Belgians and the Italians allow their politicians to make them pay
$7.08 per gallon for gas.

Not cause of global warming, but because those governments smell a cash
cow named : Car-owner. (And we can add Netherlands to that list as well)

Mark.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on March 10, 2018, 04:34:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 10, 2018, 04:08:23 PM

I’m pissed to be paying an average of $2.75 a gallon compared to Bill paying less! Cannot imagine paying what they pay in Europe! Socialist suckers. :laugh:

Right now in my area (NW PA) the going rate seems to be about $2.65/gal. I honestly do feel a twinge of guilt for our Euro friends... maybe we could all chip in and send them some free 'petrol.' :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 10, 2018, 08:44:54 PM

Quote from: Markje on March 10, 2018, 04:34:01 PM

So you admit global warming exists. As does global cooling or we'd
never have ice-ages.
Quote

It's been warming and cooling for billions of years.

Since we as species (human et. al.) are pretty breakable and not
fit for huge cold or hot spells, i'd say global warming is a disaster.
We should do everything we can to fight it.
Quote

Ok, you fight it. Let me know how it turns out.

You have no idea, how much difference those 2 degrees make.
It can mean the difference between new york by the sea, or new york IN the sea.
Quote

All of North Dakota was once under the Sea. Hawaii has risen and fallen
below sea level many times throughout history. You can try to stop it if
you want, but I am going to go on with my life.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on March 12, 2018, 05:42:52 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 10, 2018, 04:08:23 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on March 10, 2018, 03:35:37 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on March 10, 2018, 02:03:18 PM
Look at the silly stuff that people do to make themselves feel better.
The Belgians and the Italians allow their politicians to make them pay
$7.08 per gallon for gas.

I pay $2.22 a gallon for gas at Sam's club, but those Belgians and Italians
get to feel good about doing their part to save the Earth. I wonder if they
paid $20 per gallon if they would feel even better? Did they save a polar
bear? or a baby seal? Do the people in Hawaii need to thank them for
saving them from drowning? Or is feeling special enough?

I don't need to feel special, so I will pay $2.22 rather than $7.08

Oh no, they're after me lucky gasoline!

We spend so much money at Giant Eagle (a grocery store) that we often 'earn' our tanks for free through their fuel-perk program. For better or worse, the United States will be burning fossil fuels well into the future.

I’m pissed to be paying an average of $2.75 a gallon compared to Bill paying less! Cannot imagine paying what they pay in Europe! Socialist suckers. :laugh:

The US just collects tax in a different way. Our income tax is relatively low for the majority of earners i.e.

0% up to £11,500
20% between £11,501 - £45,000

The average income in the Uk is around £27,000 I believe so Joe Bloggs pays £3,100 a year income tax. Then we get free health care etc etc.

Motorists are the easiest group of individuals to tax, therefore we gets raped at the pumps. It might be in the name of the environment but that's bull shit.There's often tax incentives to change lifestyle trends for the sake of the environment but when the policy works, the tax revenues drop.

Then they change the rules and start collecting more tax. It's how the world works.

I've seen & experienced tax in both Canada & the US. You might have cheap fuel but you ultimately pay the tax elsewhere.

:popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on March 12, 2018, 11:24:49 AM

Quote from: rosco on March 12, 2018, 05:42:52 AM

I've seen & experienced tax in both Canada & the US. You might have cheap fuel but you ultimately pay the tax elsewhere.

:popcorn:

add in the costs for private medical and the "sorry you guys pay so much for gas" becomes a joke ;)

Title: Re: Saccone v Lamb
Post by: shakespear on March 12, 2018, 02:23:48 PM

The race in the PA-18th Tuesday is critically important.

The last time a (D) won this district is 2003.

If Lamb (D) wins, it will definitely mean trouble for the Republicans and Trump in November.

Polls say Lamb +6 but who trusts polls anymore? :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 12, 2018, 04:22:46 PM

You just cannot make this stuff up! Bill Clinton needs to sign the paperwork to have this lunatic committed. :laugh: :dh:

https://woai.iheart.com/featured/the-sean-hannity-show/content/2018-03-12-clinton-goes-nuclear-hillary-says-white-women-were-forced-to-vote-for-trump-by-their-husbands/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on March 12, 2018, 05:34:32 PM

Quote

“The History of Science”

This is not a true science course. A history subject does not include learning scientific principles. Someone in the registrar's office obviously coded this course incorrectly. :laugh:

Quote

If humans are indeed the problem, then mother earth will certainly take steps to purge the parasite from the host.

The origin of life here is believed to come from another region of the universe. So the current inhabitants on this planet need to find the "others". "ET" is ready to take you all back home. :ROFL:

Quote

"I can tell you, I think it was not from this world,"

http://abcnews.go.com/US/navy-pilot-recalls-encounter-ufo-unlike/story?id=51856514

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on March 12, 2018, 07:43:39 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 12, 2018, 04:22:46 PM

You just cannot make this stuff up! Bill Clinton needs to sign the paperwork to have this lunatic committed. :laugh: :dh:
https://woai.iheart.com/featured/the-sean-hannity-show/content/2018-03-12-clinton-goes-nuclear-hillary-says-white-women-were-forced-to-vote-for-trump-by-their-husbands/

While I have an immense dislike for the carpet muncher ~ I think if one hears the extent of her ramblings one sees how dangerous her agenda and beliefs were (are) for the core values of America.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 13, 2018, 06:00:50 AM

Dump, dump, dump - Another One Bites The Dust. And Another One Gone Another One Gone Another One Bites The Dust...

More winning!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43388723

Quote

US President Donald Trump has sacked Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, replacing him with the director of the CIA, Mike Pompeo.
Thanking Mr Tillerson for his service on Twitter, Mr Trump said the new state secretary would do "a fantastic job".
Mr Tillerson, a former chief executive of ExxonMobil, was only appointed to the job just over a year ago.

Knowing Me Donald Trump, sacking you Rex Tillerson, A-ha!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 13, 2018, 08:47:05 AM

Quote from: Ste on March 13, 2018, 06:00:50 AM

Dump, dump, dump - Another One Bites The Dust. And Another One Gone Another One Gone Another One Bites The Dust...

Secretaries serve at the pleasure of the President.

That said, once again the MANNER in which Trump fired an underling was beneath the dignity of the office of President. In such an environment I'd say the rumors of discourse and confusion amongst the White House staff are probably pretty credible.

This special election in the PA-18th today is critical. Trump won the district by 20-points in 2016. If the Republicans lose the seat today he'd better be hiring an impeachment specialist attorney right quick.

Title: Re: Saccone v Lamb
Post by: shakespear on March 14, 2018, 05:55:55 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 12, 2018, 02:23:48 PM

The race in the PA-18th Tuesday is critically important.

The last time a (D) won this district is 2003.

If Lamb (D) wins, it will definitely mean trouble for the Republicans and Trump in November.

Polls say Lamb +6 but who trusts polls anymore? :laugh:

Put a fork in it - Dems will take back the House of Representatives in 2018. They are clearly angery, motivated and well organized. Reminds me of the "tea party" back in 2010. We all know what happened then . . . . . .

Trump better forget all this stuff about a wall for a while and concentrate on what should be his primary long term objective - getting as many conservative federal judges approved through the Senate as possible before November 6th to fill the 89 open federal judgeships that he has not already submitted nominations for.

How 'bout it B.B? Should I use one of my congressional connections and ask them to submit your name for consideration?

Title: Re: Saccone v Lamb
Post by: 2tallbill on March 14, 2018, 06:57:27 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 14, 2018, 05:55:55 AM

Put a fork in it - Dems will take back the House of Representatives in 2018.

Trump better forget all this stuff about a wall for a while and concentrate on what should be his primary long term objective - getting as many conservative federal judges approved through the Senate as possible before November 6th to fill the 89 open federal judgeships that he has not already submitted nominations for.

Shakey,

Still buying into EVERY media narrative? Trump was
elected because of the wall. The Feckless congressional
republicans need to deliver on it. Trump needs to keep
pushing his agenda.

Lamb is the most conservative democrat to run for
national office in years. The Dems have recruited the
biggest collection of left wing crackpots to take on the
GOP since they nominated McGovern.

If every Dem running was a pro gun 33-year-old ex-
Marine and former prosecutor then the house would
be in serious trouble. The Dem's have socialist, gun
Nazi, angry hate merchants running for all those seats.

The only reason the GOP is in trouble in the house is
because the shortage of spines in the Senate.

The dickless Republicans in the Senate are the ones
that need to get his judges approved. Trump needs to
continue pushing his agenda and the Senate needs to
grow a pair and they need to stop listening to the
donor class of the party.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 14, 2018, 07:06:02 AM

Tillerson's removal had been on the cards for weeks. It was expected.

On Friday he had been contacted and given the opportunity to move aside gracefully; he demurred, what happened next was the inevitable consequence of his own choice.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 14, 2018, 07:42:12 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 14, 2018, 07:06:02 AM

Tillerson's removal had been on the cards for weeks. It was expected.

On Friday he had been contacted and given the opportunity to move aside gracefully; he demurred, what happened next was the inevitable consequence of his own choice.

Absolutely true!

Apparently he was back-channeling with some European allies a strategy that would have kept the Iranian nuclear deal intact. Trump found out about it and was understandably pissed off.

That said, firing a guy by "tweet" is not very Presidential . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 14, 2018, 07:43:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 14, 2018, 07:06:02 AM

Tillerson's removal had been on the cards for weeks. It was expected.

On Friday he had been contacted and given the opportunity to move aside gracefully; he demurred, what happened next was the inevitable consequence of his own choice.

One has to wonder: was he really such a moron that he couldn’t read the tea leaves? :chuckle:

Title: Re: Saccone v Lamb
Post by: shakespear on March 14, 2018, 07:47:25 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 14, 2018, 06:57:27 AM

The dickless Republicans in the Senate are the ones
that need to get his judges approved. Trump needs to
continue pushing his agenda and the Senate needs to
grow a pair and they need to stop listening to the
donor class of the party.

The Senate cannot approve without a nomination.

As of today, there are 89 open judgeships at the federal
level where nobody has been nominated. IMHO Trump
needs to send those 89 names up to "the Hill" before he
worries about anything else on his agenda.

When the Dems take back the House in November, he's
not going to be able to get anything done. He'll be just
like Obama in 2010-2012 except there is 100% chance
that he will be impeached.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 14, 2018, 08:19:38 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 14, 2018, 07:43:00 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 14, 2018, 07:06:02 AM
Tillerson's removal had been on the cards for weeks. It was expected.

On Friday he had been contacted and given the opportunity to move aside gracefully; he demurred, what happened next was the inevitable consequence of his own choice.

One has to wonder: was he really such a moron that he couldn’t read the tea leaves? :chuckle:

Tillerson seems to have been up to something because he appears to have made himself unavailable on Friday and, presumably, the weekend.
I don't know about you but I have been fired in the past, I knew it was coming, but I did not decide to stay at home and do nothing, I carried on working. Is that not customary in the Land of the Free? I doubt that he knew less about his situation than I did, but he probably had good reasons for continuing to punch the clock.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 14, 2018, 08:46:28 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 14, 2018, 08:19:38 AM

Tillerson seems to have been up to something because he appears to have made himself unavailable on Friday and, presumably, the weekend.
I don't know about you but I have been fired in the past, I knew it was coming, but I did not decide to stay at home and do nothing, I carried on working. Is that not customary in the Land of the Free? I doubt that he knew less about his situation than I did, but he probably had good reasons for continuing to punch the clock.

The Secretary of State is a pretty big job. If I were
running it and about to get fired. I would go to the
office with a couple of assistants and write up a
summary on everything that we were working on,
so that the next SoS could hit the ground running.

I wouldn't be making statements to the press or
accepting interviews because you want to give the
president the flexibility to frame it in the best light
without distractions.

I don't have any special knowledge if that was what
Tillerson was doing or if he was doing something more
nefarious like banging the receptionist that had big tits
and a tight sweater and it was always something he
wanted to do before he got shipped out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 14, 2018, 12:56:15 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 14, 2018, 08:19:38 AM

Quote from: Confederate on March 14, 2018, 07:43:00 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on March 14, 2018, 07:06:02 AM
Tillerson's removal had been on the cards for weeks. It was expected.

On Friday he had been contacted and given the opportunity to move aside gracefully; he demurred, what happened next was the inevitable consequence of his own choice.

One has to wonder: was he really such a moron that he couldn’t read the tea leaves? :chuckle:

Tillerson seems to have been up to something because he appears to have made himself unavailable on Friday and, presumably, the weekend.
I don't know about you but I have been fired in the past, I knew it was coming, but I did not decide to stay at home and do nothing, I carried on working. Is that not customary in the Land of the Free? I doubt that he knew less about his situation than I did, but he probably had good reasons for continuing to punch the clock.

Let me give you the back story: any American with a modicum of common sense knew this was coming. Why? Because several months ago Tillerson referred to Trump as a moron. He never denied it either.

No President of the USA whether Bush Jr or Sr or Reagan or Clinton or Obama etc can tolerate such disrespect.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 14, 2018, 01:11:56 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 14, 2018, 08:19:38 AM

I don't know about you but I have been fired in the past, I knew it was coming, but I did not decide to stay at home and do nothing, I carried on working. Is that not customary in the Land of the Free? I doubt that he knew less about his situation than I did, but he probably had good reasons for continuing to punch the clock.

His resignation is effective 3-31-2018. He's still "on the clock" until then. He has turned over all administrative responsibilities to his chief under secretary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 14, 2018, 01:12:11 PM

Senator Rand Paul opposes Pompeo for Sec of State.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/03/14/rand-paul-opposes-trump-picks-for-secretary-of-state-cia-director.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on March 14, 2018, 03:36:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 14, 2018, 01:12:11 PM

Senator Rand Paul opposes Pompeo for Sec of State.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/03/14/rand-paul-opposes-trump-picks-for-secretary-of-state-cia-director.html

Interesting to read.

What does not surprise me knowing the background of Paul, who I respect is he also is opposing the Trump's pick for the CIA. This 'woman' Haspel is about as appealing as Elisabeth Báthory or Dorothea Binz.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 14, 2018, 03:39:18 PM

I found this hilarious, Mexico has much stronger immigration laws than the U.S..
In fact they prefer immigrants that are from well to do countries.
We need the wall, and to enforce immigration laws like Mexico does.

Maybe start a train route directly to Canada where diversity is welcome.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 14, 2018, 04:51:12 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on March 14, 2018, 03:36:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 14, 2018, 01:12:11 PM
Senator Rand Paul opposes Pompeo for Sec of State.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/03/14/rand-paul-opposes-trump-picks-for-secretary-of-state-cia-director.html

Interesting to read.

What does not surprise me knowing the background of Paul, who I respect is he also is opposing the Trump's pick for the CIA. This 'woman' Haspel is about as appealing as Elisabeth Báthory or Dorothea Binz.

I predict Pompeo DOA. I don’t care too much for Haspel either.

Trump seems to be abandoning his promise to keep the USA out of Middle East wars with those two picks. :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on March 15, 2018, 04:50:13 PM

Quote

The couple’s marital issues seem to have been exacerbated by the powder incident and Trump Jr.’s travels, which have left Vanessa “increasingly lonely,”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/vanessa-trump-donald-trump-jr-divorce-filing_us_5aaae310e4b05b2217fd533c

Uh oh. Looks like there is trouble in River City. :duh:

Quote

"Every day in the house, when I was calling my son Trump, my father got angrier and angrier, until finally my father couldn't tolerate it anymore."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/afghan-baby-named-donald-trump-proves-divisive-181126295.html

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on March 15, 2018, 05:30:00 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on March 15, 2018, 04:50:13 PM

Quote
The couple’s marital issues seem to have been exacerbated by the powder incident and Trump Jr.’s travels, which have left Vanessa “increasingly lonely,”

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/vanessa-trump-donald-trump-jr-divorce-filing_us_5aaae310e4b05b2217fd533c

Uh oh. Looks like there is trouble in River City. :duh:

Maybe it is upbringing or just general disinterest. But what is news worthy about a divorce? Yes I understand it is a Trump, but really big deal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 16, 2018, 07:48:22 AM

I think this is a pretty accurate summary of what happened -

https://www.facebook.com/TheGoodLordAbove/videos/771387523051816/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 16, 2018, 08:48:47 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2018, 07:48:22 AM

I think this is a pretty accurate summary of what happened -

https://www.facebook.com/TheGoodLordAbove/videos/771387523051816/

No, it isn't.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 16, 2018, 10:36:31 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2018, 07:48:22 AM

I think this is a pretty accurate summary of what happened -

https://www.facebook.com/TheGoodLordAbove/videos/771387523051816/

Do you also have videos for the 50 or more times the CIA overthrew foreign governments?

Videos about US involvement in the Arab Spring and how Obama screwed up Egypt?

Videos of what a mess the west made of Libya? Etc.

Russian trolls affected less than 1% of the vote. Fact.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 16, 2018, 11:40:25 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 16, 2018, 08:48:47 AM

No, it isn't.

Kindly enlighten me as to your opinion of the errors.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 16, 2018, 12:33:34 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 16, 2018, 10:36:31 AM

Do you also have videos for the 50 or more times the CIA overthrew foreign governments?

Videos about US involvement in the Arab Spring and how Obama screwed up Egypt?

Videos of what a mess the west made of Libya? Etc.

Russian trolls affected less than 1% of the vote. Fact.

I'm with ya 100% The USA and Russia have been playing this game since the 1950's. Remember "Radio Free Europe"? But the fact is that right now, the Russians are much better at manipulating social media than we are which plays to our "dumbed down" public that blindly believes what they read on social media rather than doing a little fact checking.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on March 16, 2018, 01:34:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2018, 12:33:34 PM

I'm with ya 100% The USA and Russia have been playing this game since the 1950's. Remember "Radio Free Europe"? But the fact is that right now, the Russians are much better at manipulating social media than we are which plays to our "dumbed down" public that blindly believes what they read on social media rather than doing a little fact checking.

Someone needs to explain to me what social media has to do with voting. Do you really think that people were choosing their candidate based on FB / twitter / instagram feeds? Most of the people I know who voted for Trump don't even know what social media is.

The way it looks to me, the conservatives want a conservative leader, the liberals want a liberal leader... end of story. What does that have to do with Facebook and Russia and blah, blah, blah? Now if Russia had somehow manipulated the vote I suppose that would be a different story. What parts of the puzzle am I missing here?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 16, 2018, 02:19:48 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on March 16, 2018, 01:34:18 PM

Someone needs to explain to me what social media has to do with voting.

Watch the video link I posted up thread. It explains the circumstances very clearly.

Russia's purpose was not to influence the actual vote, but to create discord in our political system overall.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on March 16, 2018, 02:32:13 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2018, 02:19:48 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on March 16, 2018, 01:34:18 PM
Someone needs to explain to me what social media has to do with voting.

Watch the video link I posted up thread. It explains the circumstances very clearly.

Russia's purpose was not to influence the actual vote, but to create discord in our political system overall.

Well I did watch the video (and I'm usually a pretty good 'cartoon-learner' lol), but I'm still confused. The video claims that Russia is trying to create discord among the populous but haven't we always had a pretty strong sense of discord? I think our civil war is evidence of that. When has America ever been united with all its peoples? Oh well, I'll just file this one under things I'll never be able to figure.

I'll tell you this though: If Trump runs again, I'll probably vote for him again (regardless of what Russia has to say).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 16, 2018, 03:30:25 PM

Shakespeare, the central premise is incorrect.

The activities referred to are normal, but in my opinion, a poor quality and unsavoury, marketing operation designed to get clicks on website pages and more importantly ads. The methodology is largely as described but the purpose, as described in the video, is fabricated.

It is worth noting that the budget claimed for the operation is tiny but probably typical for running a clickbait campaign. Most of the ads run were after the election.

The activity is no more or less than what I'd do in a clickbait campaign. The overall strategy is what any marketer should do in any marketing campaign: identify niche groups, segment them, provide content to them that arouses interest - best is content that arouses conflicting emotions and then plaster in ads relevant to the segment.

One buys a small amount of PPC advertising to kick things off and, hopefully, somewhat contentious page content gets folks clicking on the ads provided on the pages. The ideal situation is one where the initial advertising gets these clickbait pages to go viral as angry and upset people (or those who agree with the content) share the pages with others of like mind. We used to call this process Ad Arbitrage. I used to do something similar a few years ago but I prided myself on not running such crappy content. The field changed a while back because Google got wise to it and made it almost impossible to run such campaigns using Adsense and Adwords which were cheap easy to use and so the social sites such as Twitter and Facebook have become the channels most favored for this activity because they do not seem to crack down on arbitrage activities.

The Internet Research Company runs these campaigns as it's business.

As well as clickbait pages using ad networks some campaigns run CPA stuff where similar techniques are used to get folks to provide contact info which is paid for by insurance companies, banks, health and diet supplement vendors.

Such techniques can be used for political purposes but it is very unlikely that what IRC was doing was political because one would do political stuff somewhat differently, one would run the campaigns before elections, not after and one would not run such pissant sized campaigns.

In these 'viral' campaigns one is seeking divisive, emotion rousing, conflicted topics simply because they get most attention. In this case, IRC, used topics that arouse enthusiastic responses in all sorts of niches from pics and videos of cute kittens to gun control. All segmented and served with content to get the clicks.

The stuff about fake social accounts and the like is a canard. It is likely that on, for example, Twitter that a majority of active accounts are fake and run by bots. In my own work I have tens of thousands of such accounts on many forms of social media. I confess, I don't much like it but I try to ensure that the quality of content I have is share is of decent quality, many businesses have no such qualms. I know of small businesses that spend $30-50k per month on social media ads designed to drive traffic to their pages. The numbers claimed by those fantasising about 'Russian Interference' do not stack up to the purpose or effect claimed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on March 16, 2018, 04:06:22 PM

Andrew,

Thank you for illuminating with a broad brush the reality of click baiting. Your post fills in on information that I know.

With a numeric price tag what do you consider 'tiny' for a budget? $ ~ € is fine I am only curious to hear it from your perspective.

On average with the scenario that you paint how many unique clicks can an operation like this expect? To me $30,000.= seems like a more serious investment by a player with needs or goals, than say a fringe operator.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 16, 2018, 04:25:57 PM

Numbers for the supposed Russian Interference campaign have ranged from as little as $100k to a million or so dollars. (by my recollection)

Number of clicks is very variable and I have no way to guess due to the way in which ads are priced, the writing of the ad copy and the relevance of the content on the landing pages. Numbers have been suggested but I don't recall. I didn't bother watching the entirety of Shakespeare's linked video but maybe there is info there, however, given the nature of the document I'd suggest getting corroborative estimates from other sources.

One does not need a huge business to support spending tens of thousands of dollars as long as the return on investment is positive. The significant figure for the advertiser is the net profit on the process. The advertising cost becomes a fixed figure in the budget given that successful advertising does not lose money.

However, if one were to guess at a net return on investment of 20% then a monthly budget of $30k would mean net revenue of just $6k. Now you can understand that the business is not exactly huge at that level. ;)

The numbers being bandied about for this supposed Russian Interference campaign start to look rather pitiful in such a context, yes?

If such a tiny campaign can be estimated as influencing 1% of the votes in the general election then the people running the campaign must be the most effective marketers in the history of the world. If they were that successful then they'd have increased their ad spend to capitalise upon their success - obviously that did not happen which suggests that they were running ad arbitrage, probably on behalf of one or more clients, and were running on a fixed monthly budget which is how these things are normally done - a fixed monthly budget with possibly a 3 month review.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 16, 2018, 06:17:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2018, 12:33:34 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 16, 2018, 10:36:31 AM
Do you also have videos for the 50 or more times the CIA overthrew foreign governments?

Videos about US involvement in the Arab Spring and how Obama screwed up Egypt?

Videos of what a mess the west made of Libya? Etc.

Russian trolls affected less than 1% of the vote. Fact.

I'm with ya 100% The USA and Russia have been playing this game since the 1950's. Remember "Radio Free Europe"? But the fact is that right now, the Russians are much better at manipulating social media than we are which plays to our "dumbed down" public that blindly believes what they read on social media rather than doing a little fact checking.

Oh, yes, REM the finest band available anywhere...

Saw them literally 2 weeks after this eponymous performance on 'The Tube' on UK TV circa 1983/4/5. Great band...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 16, 2018, 07:46:29 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2018, 12:33:34 PM

Quote from: Confederate on March 16, 2018, 10:36:31 AM
Do you also have videos for the 50 or more times the CIA overthrew foreign governments?

Videos about US involvement in the Arab Spring and how Obama screwed up Egypt?

Videos of what a mess the west made of Libya? Etc.

Russian trolls affected less than 1% of the vote. Fact.

I'm with ya 100% The USA and Russia have been playing this game since the 1950's. Remember "Radio Free Europe"? But the fact is that right now, the Russians are much better at manipulating social media than we are which plays to our "dumbed down" public that blindly believes what they read on social media rather than doing a little fact checking.

Agree 100%

that the American public is dumbed down, which is why Hillary is not in prison where she belongs. And I’m tired of this bogus witch hunt by Mueller.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 16, 2018, 10:05:14 PM

Fantastic news fellow Republicans! McCabe the corrupt guy who helped to let Hillary off the hook was fired by the FBI and will not get all of his pension. :laugh:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/andrew-mccabe-fired-before-retires-no-pension-2018-03-16/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on March 17, 2018, 04:30:31 AM

Andrew thanks

Quote from: andrewfi on March 16, 2018, 04:25:57 PM

If such a tiny campaign can be estimated as influencing 1% of the votes in the general election then the people running the campaign must be the most effective marketers in the history of the world.

Worth noting 1% the other way in certain states for the last Presidential election would be huge. My own guess though Trump did not need Russian help; he had Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 17, 2018, 06:37:33 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on March 17, 2018, 04:30:31 AM

Andrew thanks

Quote from: andrewfi on March 16, 2018, 04:25:57 PM
If such a tiny campaign can be estimated as influencing 1% of the votes in the general election then the people running the campaign must be the most effective marketers in the history of the world.

Worth noting 1% the other way in certain states for the last Presidential election would be huge. My own guess though Trump did not need Russian help; he had Hillary.

Exactly! :whistle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 17, 2018, 08:37:52 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 16, 2018, 03:30:25 PM

Shakespeare, the central premise is incorrect.

Such techniques can be used for political purposes but it is very unlikely that what IRC was doing was political because one would do political stuff somewhat differently, one would run the campaigns before elections, not after and one would not run such pissant sized campaigns.

While your technical analysis is correct you have missed entirely the purpose of the campaign. It's purpose WAS NOT to change votes or influence the outcome of the election, rather to sow negative discourse and controversy into the process. On that point, they were very successful.

As I said up thread, this is nothing new. The Russians and Americans have been doing this to each other since the mid 1950's. It is a fact that Russian are currently better and more sophisticated at using techniques of disruption on social media that the USA is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on March 17, 2018, 10:39:35 AM

Shakespeare, no.

Look, truth be told U.S mass media is hugely divisive. Whether it is print, broadcast, or Web. That's an historical reality that got kicked off with the rise of racially profiled media and has gotten more so as technology has enabled broadcasters and advertisers to identify and target smaller and smaller niches. Actually thus was a topic I wrote about 20 years ago at university; the process has accelerated since then.

I'd suggest that pretty much any marketing that uses hot button topics as clickbait is acting in a divisive manner upon society. However, that is not now, nor was it 20 or more years ago, primarily political in nature.

IRC was not acting politically any more than any other advertiser, marketer or site owner who uses divisive clickbait as a way to earn money.

And, as I noted, the amounts involved are tiny. The effect is tiny and certainly drowned out by other marketers using the same techniques. The aggregate effect is much greater.

On a similar note, you might want to look up something else that fell into the memory hole. Fake news, the original iteration, before Trump got his fingers into it. You might want to research where that was coming from because that was political and it was having an effect and it was being promoted using clickbait techniques. But guess where it wasn't coming from!

As a final note, you are displaying the shortness of memory that you have been trained to have. The Russian Interference fantasy was originally about influencing biters to vote for Trump. Only when it was demonstrated just how silly that was did the meme get changed. As this current iteration fails you will probably be programed with another meme and you will erase this silliness from your recollection. It isn't just you but millions upon millions of your countrymen all being programed. Terribly sad.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 17, 2018, 11:11:49 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on March 17, 2018, 10:39:35 AM

Shakespeare, no.

Look, truth be told U.S mass media is hugely divisive. Whether it is print, broadcast, or Web. That's an historical reality that got kicked off with the rise of racially profiled media and has gotten more so as technology has enabled broadcasters and advertisers to identify and target smaller and smaller niches. Actually thus was a topic I wrote about 20 years ago at university; the process has accelerated since then.

I'd suggest that pretty much any marketing that uses hot button topics as clickbait is acting in a divisive manner upon society. However, that is not now, nor was it 20 or more years ago, primarily political in nature.

IRC was not acting politically any more than any other advertiser, marketer or site owner who uses divisive clickbait as a way to earn money.

And, as I noted, the amounts involved are tiny. The effect is tiny and certainly drowned out by other marketers using the same techniques. The aggregate effect is much greater.

On a similar note, you might want to look up something else that fell into the memory hole. Fake news, the original iteration, before Trump got his fingers into it. You might want to research where that was coming from because that was political and it was having an effect and it was being promoted using clickbait techniques. But guess where it wasn't coming from!

As a final note, you are displaying the shortness of memory that you have been trained to have. The Russian Interference fantasy was originally about influencing biters to vote for Trump. Only when it was demonstrated just how silly that was did the meme get changed. As this current iteration fails you will probably be programed with another meme and you will erase this silliness from your recollection. It isn't just you but millions upon millions of your countrymen all being programed. Terribly sad.

Sorry Andrew, I don't agree at all. Your "theory" is not plausible at all.

What product was Russia selling so that "clicks" could be profitable?

I never believed the Russian interference was about influencing voters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on March 17, 2018, 01:40:34 PM

Quote

Sources told the Daily Beast they were stunned that Kelly would divulge the information even in an off-the-record briefing.

I guess there is more than one way to be flushed down the toilet. :chuckle:

http://www.newsweek.com/tillerson-was-toilet-when-told-he-was-being-dumped-trump-report-850064

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on March 17, 2018, 02:56:19 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 16, 2018, 07:48:22 AM

I think this is a pretty accurate summary of what happened -

https://www.facebook.com/TheGoodLordAbove/videos/771387523051816/

That’s hilarious and you yanks clearly lap this crap up.

You could hear that the voice over guy had tucked his dick between his legs to make a manigna, as he shat out soy boy banter.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 17, 2018, 03:44:43 PM

As it becomes more and more obvious that the weaponized
team Obama justice department and FBI started spying and
investigating their political enemies on issues totally manufactured
from whole cloth.

The Dems are worried that something might happen to their
boy Mueller who they see as the only chance they have to stop
the GOP agenda and remember it's only because they have a
investigation of the GOP president that their own Hillary and
Obama aren't being investigated.

The weaponized Obama justice department and FBI are losing
their "hangers on" as they get swept up and swept out.

Frankly, I think that Trump was an idiot for keeping so many Obama
holdovers. It's caused him nothing but grief.

Warner calls on Congress to protect Mueller after McCabe’s firing
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378927-dem-senator-responds-to-trump-call-to-shutter-probe-congress-needs-to

Title: Trump asleep at the switch
Post by: 2tallbill on March 17, 2018, 04:06:48 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 14, 2018, 07:47:25 AM

The Senate cannot approve without a nomination.

As of today, there are 89 open judgeships at the federal
level where nobody has been nominated. IMHO Trump
needs to send those 89 names up to "the Hill" before he
worries about anything else on his agenda.

When the Dems take back the House in November, he's
not going to be able to get anything done. He'll be just
like Obama in 2010-2012 except there is 100% chance
that he will be impeached.

Trump in my opinion has shown his true gullibility after the
press ripped him apart for anything and everything that he
thought that the Obama holdovers that he kept on wouldn't
stab him in the back.

In my view he was also stupid to put establishment types like
Prebius in any positions either. It's obvious that they establishment
weren't trying to help him either.

Your point that he hasn't nominated a person for each and every
opening further shows that he still doesn't grasp this concept.
Those liberal goofball court decisions that he's been complaining
about can't happen if they are being heard by justices that use
the constitutional law rather than their FEELINGS to make decisions.

Quote from: shakespear on March 14, 2018, 07:47:25 AM

When the Dems take back the House in November, he's
not going to be able to get anything done. He'll be just
like Obama in 2010-2012 except there is 100% chance
that he will be impeached.

The reports of his demise have been greatly exaggerated.
Once again Shakey believes whatever the liberal press tells
him.

The Dems are putting up the largest group of unelectable
left wingnuts. The Dems are going to lose 7 Senate seats
(or more) and MAYBE they will pick up a house seat or two.

The Dems haven't learned that the rest of the country aren't
the left wing crackpots that they are.

You also forget that the Dems lied about the tax cuts, just like
they lied about Obamacare and now about the Russian collusion
conspiracy. By November everyone will know how the taxcuts
are working for them and the Russian collusion conspiracy is
completely unraveling.

Tell me besides their hatred for everything Trump what will the
democrats run on? Do they have a single issue that will poll higher
than 27%?

How many times does the press have to be wrong before you stop
blindly believing them?

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 18, 2018, 08:41:40 PM

Why Tillerson Had to Go
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/why-tillerson-had-to-go/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 23, 2018, 06:39:16 AM

Bill Clinton was supposed to be a legendary womanizer
but when you took a look at the women he had affairs
with they aren't all that good looking, especially the
hag that he married.

Bill Clinton tapped that
(https://cmgpbpspbc.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/monica-lewinsky.jpg?w=551&h=810&zoom=2)

and married that
(http://svobodneforum.cz/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Hil1.jpg)

Trump on the other hand
tapped that

(https://www.curvyerotic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/karen-mcdougal-perfect-winter-playboy-playmate-2.jpg)

and married that

(https://gq-images.condecdn.net/image/E8GdknR5L1W/crop/1620/landscape/f/Melania-Trump-06-GQ-7-Nov16_Antoine-Verglas_b.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 23, 2018, 07:23:57 AM

All I'm saying is this -

If Trump signs this horrible Omnibus Bill he has lost my support completely. I will not vote for him in 2020.

This could well be the worst collection of crap stuffed into one bill in the history of our country. Over 2232 pages and NOBODY on Capital Hill has read it but they passed it anyway because nobody wants to get blamed for a government shutdown.

$1.3 TRILLION to operate our country for 6 months?????? This is ridiculous!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on March 23, 2018, 09:20:50 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2018, 07:23:57 AM

All I'm saying is this -

If Trump signs this horrible Omnibus Bill he has lost my support completely. I will not vote for him in 2020.

This could well be the worst collection of crap stuffed into one bill in the history of our country. Over 2232 pages and NOBODY on Capital Hill has read it but they passed it anyway because nobody wants to get blamed for a government shutdown.

$1.3 TRILLION to operate our country for 6 months?????? This is ridiculous!

I agree. It should be noted R. Paul and other fiscal conservatives fought hard against this Omnibus Bill.

Add the possible appointment of Pompano, Bolton and Haspel to key positions in the cabinet this does not look promising for the future of his administration.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 23, 2018, 11:06:25 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 23, 2018, 06:39:16 AM

Bill Clinton was supposed to be a legendary womanizer
but when you took a look at the women he had affairs
with they aren't all that good looking, especially the
hag that he married.

Monica had other talents (https://me.me/i/before-after-an-s-and-that-ladies-is-how-you-19232133)

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 23, 2018, 06:39:16 AM

Trump on the other hand tapped that

Has that guy ever banged an ugly chick? Srsly.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 23, 2018, 12:19:42 PM

Well, the "great negotiator" just got bamboozled at the negotiating table.

Trump will claim a great victory for the military but the cost was selling out
on virtually all his other principles and promises he made to a gullible electorate.

In 1982 President Reagan had the moral courage and character to stand up
to a spendthrift Congress and veto an abhorrent spending bill. By taking this
stand, he compelled Congress to act in a responsible fashion. He was a true
patriot.

President Trump is clearly not cut from the same fiber. When I voted for him
all I really expected was an appointment of a rational constitutionalist judge
on the Supreme Court. Well I got that but now my expectations for the future
are zero. As a result of Trump signing this omnibus, no matter how reluctantly,
he is going to lose the support of many in the base that supported him in 2016.
Due to this action, I'd say it is about 95% chance the Republicans will lose the
House in 2018 and he'll spend his last two years wallowing in Impeachment
hearings and presiding over an Administration that will be even less effective
than the 2012-2016 Obama Administration.

He will not get re-elected in 2020. He probably won't even get the nomination
of the Party. Take that to the bank.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 23, 2018, 12:41:30 PM

Did Trump read the bill before he signed it?

Hell No. Just like the frickin' members of
Congress who voted to pass this monstrosity.

Clean 'em all out. Trump first.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 23, 2018, 12:42:09 PM

Looks like I was right about Trump then, I FEELZ (tm B/B) the sea change....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: miquel westano on March 23, 2018, 12:53:12 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 23, 2018, 12:42:09 PM

Looks like I was right about Trump then, I FEELZ (tm B/B) the sea change....

Actually it was folks like me that were right. Trump was an unknown wildcard that was likely to be a disappointment. But, he was MILES better than Hillary. A lot of folks didn't vote for Trump, they voted against Hillary. I was one of those and am still glad i did, no matter how disappointing Trump has been.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 23, 2018, 12:57:00 PM

Quote from: miquel westano on March 23, 2018, 12:53:12 PM

Actually it was folks like me that were right. Trump was an unknown wildcard that was likely to be a disappointment. But, he was MILES better than Hillary. A lot of folks didn't vote for Trump, they voted against Hillary. I was one of those and am still glad i did, no matter how disappointing Trump has been.

I feel ya Miquel. I'm hoping that the Republicans can come up with a true fiscal
conservative to run for President in 2020. I will NEVER vote for Trump again!
I'll vote for the Libertarian candidate before I vote for Trump. Fool me once
shame on you - fool me twice shame on me!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on March 23, 2018, 02:47:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2018, 12:57:00 PM

Quote from: miquel westano on March 23, 2018, 12:53:12 PM
Actually it was folks like me that were right. Trump was an unknown wildcard that was likely to be a disappointment. But, he was MILES better than Hillary. A lot of folks didn't vote for Trump, they voted against Hillary. I was one of those and am still glad i did, no matter how disappointing Trump has been.

I feel ya Miquel. I'm hoping that the Republicans can come up with a true fiscal
conservative to run for President in 2020. I will NEVER vote for Trump again!
I'll vote for the Libertarian candidate before I vote for Trump. Fool me once
shame on you - fool me twice shame on me!

I get it, but (a) nobody is ever nominating a true fiscal conservative, and (b) a vote for anyone other than the GOP is a vote for :censored: tard liberal judges and justices. Say what you want about Trump be he delivered on Gorsuch.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on March 23, 2018, 04:34:55 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 23, 2018, 06:39:16 AM

Bill Clinton was supposed to be a legendary womanizer
but when you took a look at the women he had affairs
with they aren't all that good looking, especially the
hag that he married.

Bill Clinton tapped that
(https://cmgpbpspbc.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/monica-lewinsky.jpg?w=551&h=810&zoom=2)

and married that
(http://svobodneforum.cz/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Hil1.jpg)

Trump on the other hand
tapped that

(https://www.curvyerotic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/karen-mcdougal-perfect-winter-playboy-playmate-2.jpg)

and married that

(https://gq-images.condecdn.net/image/E8GdknR5L1W/crop/1620/landscape/f/Melania-Trump-06-GQ-7-Nov16_Antoine-Verglas_b.jpg)

You gotta look at these two guy's background. One was from "hillbilly" region of Arkansas and the other from a real estate developer family in NYC region.

Quote

Clinton said that he remembered his stepfather as a gambler and an alcoholic who regularly abused his mother and half-brother, Roger Clinton Jr., to the point where he intervened multiple times with the threat of violence to protect them.

When you grow up in a "challenged environment", you have different tastes and preferences from those in swankier locales. As the saying goes, beggars can't be choosers. :chuckle: :biggrin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on March 23, 2018, 04:38:44 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on March 23, 2018, 09:20:50 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2018, 07:23:57 AM
All I'm saying is this -

If Trump signs this horrible Omnibus Bill he has lost my support completely. I will not vote for him in 2020.

This could well be the worst collection of crap stuffed into one bill in the history of our country. Over 2232 pages and NOBODY on Capital Hill has read it but they passed it anyway because nobody wants to get blamed for a government shutdown.

$1.3 TRILLION to operate our country for 6 months?????? This is ridiculous!

I agree. It should be noted R. Paul and other fiscal conservatives fought hard against this Omnibus Bill.

Add the possible appointment of Pompano, Bolton and Haspel to key positions in the cabinet this does not look promising for the future of his administration.

I was looking forward to another government shutdown. (:)

I was hoping that they would keep passing one extension over and over again (after 1/2 of the FY 2018 fiscal year has already passed) and then by October 2018, they would two annual budgets to deal with. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 23, 2018, 06:21:42 PM

Difficult to place the blame on President Trump, when the spineless republicans in Congress can't get the job done.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: miquel westano on March 23, 2018, 06:48:17 PM

Quote from: B.B. on March 23, 2018, 02:47:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on March 23, 2018, 12:57:00 PM
Quote from: miquel westano on March 23, 2018, 12:53:12 PM
Actually it was folks like me that were right. Trump was an unknown wildcard that was likely to be a disappointment. But, he was MILES better than Hillary. A lot of folks didn't vote for Trump, they voted against Hillary. I was one of those and am still glad i did, no matter how disappointing Trump has been.

I feel ya Miquel. I'm hoping that the Republicans can come up with a true fiscal
conservative to run for President in 2020. I will NEVER vote for Trump again!
I'll vote for the Libertarian candidate before I vote for Trump. Fool me once
shame on you - fool me twice shame on me!

I get it, but (a) nobody is ever nominating a true fiscal conservative, and (b) a vote for anyone other than the GOP is a vote for :censored: tard liberal judges and justices. Say what you want about Trump be he delivered on Gorsuch.

B/B

I see both sides. The spending bill was a horrible move. He should have vetoed it no matter what. But that said, I can never vote 3rd party knowing it is just a vote guaranteeing the democrat a better shot into the white house. I will take a disappointing mid level republican over any democrat out there. As big of a disappointment as Trump is lately, I just cant imagine that smarmy crook hillary running wild in the oval office and the country surviving.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 24, 2018, 02:25:40 PM

This is my world and I am - World Leader Pretend
This is my life
And this is my time
I have been given the freedom
To do as I see fit
It's high time I've razed the walls that I've constructed

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 24, 2018, 02:49:13 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 24, 2018, 02:25:40 PM

It's high time I've razed the walls that I've constructed

I have dreams like this during REM sleep

Udachi!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 24, 2018, 02:50:35 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on March 23, 2018, 06:21:42 PM

Difficult to place the blame on President Trump, when the spineless republicans in Congress can't get the job done.

He could have vetoed it and told them that they needed spines.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 24, 2018, 02:53:39 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 24, 2018, 02:49:13 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 24, 2018, 02:25:40 PM
It's high time I've razed the walls that I've constructed

I have dreams like this during REM sleep

Udachi!

Just re-got into REM, one of my fave bands in the 80's - first saw them at The Gallery in Manchester in about '83/84, cost 80p to get in, about 50c......

I was in a curry house when I heard they'd quit, I passed out in to me meal. That's Me In The Korma......

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on March 26, 2018, 06:48:19 PM

President Trump may get the full funding for the wall

https://www.google.com/amp/insider.foxnews.com/amp/article/60834

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on March 27, 2018, 02:05:26 AM

Shocking photo evidence of Trump and Stormy Daniels...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180327/79d2556710c72475dfa011a0f2ec0d43.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on March 27, 2018, 02:09:14 AM

Quote from: Ste on March 27, 2018, 02:05:26 AM

Shocking photo evidence of Trump and Stormy Daniels...

Really ? He looks more like 'fat *snip*' from the austin powers movies

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on March 27, 2018, 06:22:48 PM

Quote from: Ste on March 27, 2018, 02:05:26 AM

Shocking photo evidence of Trump and Stormy Daniels...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180327/79d2556710c72475dfa011a0f2ec0d43.jpg)

Where's Mr. Bigglesworth? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Maxx on March 28, 2018, 08:39:48 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 23, 2018, 06:39:16 AM

Bill Clinton was supposed to be a legendary womanizer
but when you took a look at the women he had affairs
with they aren't all that good looking, especially the
hag that he married.

Bill Clinton tapped that
(https://cmgpbpspbc.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/monica-lewinsky.jpg?w=551&h=810&zoom=2)

and married that
(http://svobodneforum.cz/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Hil1.jpg)

Trump on the other hand
tapped that

(https://www.curvyerotic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/karen-mcdougal-perfect-winter-playboy-playmate-2.jpg)

and married that

(https://gq-images.condecdn.net/image/E8GdknR5L1W/crop/1620/landscape/f/Melania-Trump-06-GQ-7-Nov16_Antoine-Verglas_b.jpg)

Bill Clinton is the son of Winthrop Rockefeller and his Little Rock hooker mom. That his how he got his Fulbright scholarship. Hillary was just somebody he needed for his political career. He was probably told to marry her. Chelsea would have gone the way of all her aborted brothers and sisters if not for Hillary's political decision and her advisors to get mom status.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on March 29, 2018, 09:57:45 AM

Quote from: B.B. on March 23, 2018, 02:47:05 PM

I get it, but (a) nobody is ever nominating a true fiscal conservative, and (b) a vote for anyone other than the GOP is a vote for :censored: tard liberal judges and justices. Say what you want about Trump be he delivered on Gorsuch.

B/B

Cruz is pretty close to a true fiscal conservative and he got second place.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on March 29, 2018, 10:05:42 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on March 29, 2018, 09:57:45 AM

Cruz is pretty close to a true fiscal conservative and he got second place.

Actually Kasich was the next to last man standing in the primary battle

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on March 30, 2018, 04:41:18 PM

An American academic who supports U.S. President Donald Trump and is a strong advocate of Britain's exit from the European Union will testify next month before the federal grand jury considering evidence in the investigation into possible collusion between Trump's 2016 election campaign and Russia.

Theodore Malloch, the author of a forthcoming pro-Trump book and an ally of Nigel Farage, a former leader of Britain's UK Independence Party, said in a statement emailed to Reuters on Friday by the book's publisher that he was questioned by FBI agents when he landed at Boston's Logan International Airport on Tuesday after a flight from London and served with a subpoena to appear before the grand jury.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-supporter-malloch-says-he-will-testify-to-mueller-grand-jury/ar-AAvimFW?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 02, 2018, 09:57:35 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 29, 2018, 10:05:42 AM

Actually Kasich was the next to last man standing in the primary battle

No he wasn't. He was mathematically several weeks before
Cruz was. Just because he didn't leave the campaign trail
doesn't mean he got second. Cruz won the second most
votes and the second most delegates.

Trump 14 million votes 1441 delegates
Cruz 7.8 million votes 551 delegates
Rubio 3.5 million votes 173 delegates
Kasich 4.2 million votes 161 delegates

Ask Hillary about winning the popular vote but losing the election.
Kasich wasn't second or even third he was fourth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on April 02, 2018, 10:11:20 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 02, 2018, 09:57:35 AM

Quote from: shakespear on March 29, 2018, 10:05:42 AM

Actually Kasich was the next to last man standing in the primary battle

No he wasn't. He was mathematically several weeks before
Cruz was. Just because he didn't leave the campaign trail
doesn't mean he got second. Cruz won the second most
votes and the second most delegates.

Trump 14 million votes 1441 delegates
Cruz 7.8 million votes 551 delegates
Rubio 3.5 million votes 173 delegates
Kasich 4.2 million votes 161 delegates

Ask Hillary about winning the popular vote but losing the election.
Kasich wasn't second or even third he was fourth.

I would never vote for Cruz or Rubio

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 02, 2018, 10:52:04 AM

Quote from: yankee on April 02, 2018, 10:11:20 AM

I would never vote for Cruz or Rubio

That's not a surprise, liberals usually don't vote republican.
conservatives usually don't vote for democrats.

Shakespeare is a moderate Republican who believes 75% of
what the New York Times tells him to think. He does believe
in fiscal responsibility and that's why he is angry at Trump.

Trump should have never signed that bill, but since he did
he should do exactly like Obama and spend it on whatever
the fook he wants and then maybe the congress will perform
their constitutional duty and pass a real budget.

The last libertarian candidate for president was as liberal
as any democrat.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 02, 2018, 10:53:07 AM

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 50% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-nine percent (49%) disapprove.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_apr02

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 02, 2018, 12:40:55 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 02, 2018, 10:52:04 AM

Quote from: yankee on April 02, 2018, 10:11:20 AM

I would never vote for Cruz or Rubio

That's not a surprise, liberals usually don't vote republican.
conservatives usually don't vote for democrats.

Shakespeare is a moderate Republican who believes 75% of
what the New York Times tells him to think. He does believe
in fiscal responsibility and that's why he is angry at Trump.

Trump should have never signed that bill, but since he did
he should do exactly like Obama and spend it on whatever
the fook he wants and then maybe the congress will perform
their constitutional duty and pass a real budget.

The last libertarian candidate for president was as liberal
as any democrat.

Cruz was a neocon puppet.

Don’t confuse a vote against that as a vote for a liberal.

They seem to have gotten to Trump as well. :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on April 02, 2018, 02:20:05 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 02, 2018, 10:52:04 AM

Quote from: yankee on April 02, 2018, 10:11:20 AM

I would never vote for Cruz or Rubio

That's not a surprise, liberals usually don't vote republican.
conservatives usually don't vote for democrats.
The last libertarian candidate for president was as liberal
as any democrat.

Interesting. I voted for Trump but because I am against Cruz and Rubio you want to brand me as a liberal?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 02, 2018, 03:07:36 PM

In my opinion, Trump is using his position of authority to threaten Bezos
and Amazon because he doesn't like what the Washington Post is writing
about him. Amazon's use of the US Postal system has helped save the
post office not destroy it. The US postal service has lost money for the
past 15 years due to a decline in first class mail and out of control benefits
and salaries.

If Amazon decided to deliver their own packages, it will in all probability rob
the US postal service of their biggest customer.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 02, 2018, 03:24:21 PM

Quote from: yankee on April 02, 2018, 02:20:05 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 02, 2018, 10:52:04 AM
Quote from: yankee on April 02, 2018, 10:11:20 AM

I would never vote for Cruz or Rubio

That's not a surprise, liberals usually don't vote republican.
conservatives usually don't vote for democrats.
The last libertarian candidate for president was as liberal
as any democrat.

Interesting. I voted for Trump but because I am against Cruz and Rubio you want to brand me as a liberal?

Bill be stuck in tight little box. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 03, 2018, 11:44:24 AM

Quote from: Confederate on April 02, 2018, 12:40:55 PM

Cruz was a neocon puppet.

Don’t confuse a vote against that as a vote for a liberal.

They seem to have gotten to Trump as well. :'(

Cruz can intellectually make the conservative argument and
as a result he can further the conservative cause. A neocon
like Romney had no idea how to do it. Remember when he
said he was "severely conservative"? The concept was and
is out of his grasp.

Cruz is a politician, and anytime you put your hopes and
dreams into a politician you are going to be disappointed.
I thought Glen Beck was going to pass a kidney stone when
Cruz endorsed Trump.

Trump occasionally gets swallowed by the swamp, but he
still fights it every day along with the liberal media and all
the other factions allied against him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 03, 2018, 02:25:53 PM

After reviewing several of your posts, I've determined that while you
had a few liberal thoughts that you aren't a liberal.

I was wrong.

Examples

Quote from: yankee on April 02, 2018, 02:20:05 PM

Interesting. I voted for Trump but because I am against Cruz and Rubio you want to brand me as a liberal?

1. You believe that Republicans want to take away medicare for seniors
2. Against privatizing medicare

The next quote shows that you don't believe in supply side economics.

Quote from: yankee on October 13, 2017, 08:43:47 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 13, 2017, 07:03:10 AM

Reagan did the same in the 1980's and again the lower taxes actually
generated more revenue for the treasury while significantly boosting
the economy.

Don't forget that the deficit doubled under Reagan (like Bush jr. and Obama)

Quote from: yankee on July 19, 2017, 09:33:01 AM

Prowlers are not known to be violent.

Argument about socialized medcine

Quote from: yankee on March 21, 2017, 01:14:32 PM

Any poorly managed program is not real popular.

Doesn't understand the difference between taxes and spending

Quote from: yankee on March 21, 2017, 01:14:32 PM

Any poorly managed program is not real popular.

Hahahahaha I am sorry I missed this one. Ok, you aren't a liberal

Quote from: yankee on November 28, 2016, 10:02:57 PM

You must be kidding. Babayaga wants to run again?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 04, 2018, 09:59:57 AM

Trump needs to appoint Sheriff Joe Arpaio to set up a desert prison system
for the influx of illegals. If they get to live in tents for a year before getting
shipped back home they might decide it's not a great idea to walk a thousand
miles first.

Defiant Caravan of Illegal Aliens Unfazed by Trump’s Call to Guard Mexican Border With Military – Continue Marching to US

(https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/dds_0.JPG)
Photo of future welfare mothers and DNC voters

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/04/showdown-defiant-caravan-of-illegal-aliens-unfazed-by-trumps-call-to-guard-mexican-border-with-military-continue-marching-to-us/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 04, 2018, 10:12:51 AM

Big win in Wisconsin yesterday for the Democrats.

I'm tellin' ya, there is a "Blue Wave" coming in November . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 04, 2018, 10:17:18 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 04, 2018, 09:59:57 AM

Trump needs to appoint Sheriff Joe Arpaio to set up a desert prison system
for the influx of illegals. If they get to live in tents for a year before getting
shipped back home they might decide it's not a great idea to walk a thousand
miles first.

{sigh}

THE LAW says that if they present themselves to an Immigration official at
our border and declare that they are seeking asylum they MUST be admitted,
processed and given a court date. Of course very few actually show up for
their court date and the ones that don't have become illegally well entrenched
in "sanctuary" society; receiving benefits at taxpayer expense. The ones that
do show up for court can drag the process on for years.

That is what has happened in the past . . . . . .

It is what is going to happen again in this instance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on April 04, 2018, 10:59:41 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 04, 2018, 10:12:51 AM

Big win in Wisconsin yesterday for the Democrats.

I'm tellin' ya, there is a "Blue Wave" coming in November . . . . . . . . . .

Right because special elections for judges make everyone's dicks hard.

There's a long way (in political terms) between now and November. The advantage for "unnamed Dem" vs "unnamed GOPer" has dropped from +12% to +5%...and of course nobody runs as or against "unnamed" people.

A few points:

I. The Dems have to win "nationally" by 10-11% to take over the House. And yes, I know, House races are by District, but looking at the national polls and converting those to "results" means, well, they have to win big.

II. The GOP needs to not run :censored: tards who say dumb shit, like the asshat in Indiana a couple of cycles ago who started going on about rape and the other asshat in Missouri who decided it would be a good idea to repeat what asshat #1 said.

III. The media *WILL* be cheerleading/wanking off the Dems at every opportunity.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 04, 2018, 08:15:30 PM

President Trump is making great progress, given lack of congressional help.
The omnibus spending bill looks to be cut down on some spending.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/03/budget-omnibus-cuts-trump-kevin-mccarthy-498462

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on April 05, 2018, 03:14:00 AM

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: miquel westano on April 05, 2018, 10:30:38 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 04, 2018, 10:12:51 AM

Big win in Wisconsin yesterday for the Democrats.

I'm tellin' ya, there is a "Blue Wave" coming in November . . . . . . . . . .

Not really, since this area is such a traditional democrat stronghold. Really, it is just more proof the dems found the only person in the world Americans had less confidence in than they had in Trump. For that i congratulate them. It is hard to believe Trump was preferred to anyone. But, thankfully the dems cheated Bernie out of his chance. If they hadn't. we may already be a socialist state by now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: miquel westano on April 05, 2018, 10:32:19 AM

Quote from: Ste on April 05, 2018, 03:14:00 AM

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I do wonder. I wonder how in the hell a lying, cheating, conniving bitch like Hillary ever got to the positions she attained, and how in the hell she didn't end up in prison. I find that harder to conceive than the goat on the electrical wire!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on April 05, 2018, 01:18:12 PM

Quote from: miquel westano on April 05, 2018, 10:32:19 AM

Quote from: Ste on April 05, 2018, 03:14:00 AM
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I do wonder. I wonder how in the hell a lying, cheating, conniving bitch like Hillary ever got to the positions she attained, and how in the hell she didn't end up in prison. I find that harder to conceive than the goat on the electrical wire!

:chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 06, 2018, 02:11:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 04, 2018, 10:17:18 AM

{sigh}

THE LAW says that if they present themselves to an Immigration official at
our border and declare that they are seeking asylum they MUST be admitted,
processed and given a court date. Of course very few actually show up for
their court date and the ones that don't have become illegally well entrenched
in "sanctuary" society; receiving benefits at taxpayer expense. The ones that
do show up for court can drag the process on for years.

That is what has happened in the past . . . . . .

It is what is going to happen again in this instance.

Sigh,

No it doesn't. You need to stop believing EVERYTHING that you read in
the liberal press.

The law doesn't say that refuges from say Honduras that have been safely
admitted to Mexico and are living free of danger in Mexico are free to apply
for refugee status here and enter the country while they wait for the courts
to adjudicate the matter.

President Trump can give authority to all border personnel to say,
"Congratulations, you are safe from Honduran danger! Go to our
embassy in Mexico city to apply for admittance to the USA." and
give them directions for the 1954 mile trip.

If the officials in Belgium allow a sandman from Syria into their
country as a refuge, can that person show up at our embassy and
say. I am a refuge and want to live in the USA, you have to let
me move to the USA immediately since Shakespeare believes
it to be true? NOPE, they would say you can apply while you
wait in Belgium.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 06, 2018, 02:42:57 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 06, 2018, 02:11:43 PM

The law doesn't say that refuges from say Honduras that have been safely
admitted to Mexico and are living free of danger in Mexico are free to apply
for refugee status here and enter the country while they wait for the courts
to adjudicate the matter.

I'm afraid it you research the matter, you'll find that it does.

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 06, 2018, 02:11:43 PM

If the officials in Belgium allow a sandman from Syria into their
country as a refuge, can that person show up at our embassy and
say. I am a refuge and want to live in the USA, you have to let
me move to the USA immediately since Shakespeare believes
it to be true? NOPE, they would say you can apply while you
wait in Belgium.

Better read up on the Asylum seekers to the USA.

Individuals who fear harm or persecution in their home country can ask for a form of legal protection known as asylum after arriving in the U.S.

A person applying for asylum must prove that he or she has a fear of persecution in their country of nationality that is well-founded because of their race, religion, nationality, social group or political opinion, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. To be eligible, a person must apply for asylum within one year of his or her arrival in the U.S.

Two paths to asylum

In "affirmative asylum" cases, an individual is in the U.S. or has arrived at a point of entry and has declared his or her application for asylum to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services within one year of their arrival in country. A decision can be made by a USCIS asylum officer.

In “defensive asylum” cases, an individual has requested asylum as a form of relief or defense against forcible removal from the U.S. before an immigration judge. The individual may have been undocumented or in violation of his or her status when apprehended in the U.S. or were caught trying to enter the U.S. without proper documentation and found to have a credible fear of persecution or torture.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 06, 2018, 03:12:30 PM

Quote from: B.B. on April 04, 2018, 10:59:41 AM

III. The media *WILL* be cheerleading/wanking off the Dems at every opportunity.

B/B

IV. Shakespeare will believe whatever cheerleading he hears.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 06, 2018, 03:28:54 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2018, 02:42:57 PM

Better read up on the Asylum seekers to the USA.

Individuals who fear harm or persecution in their home country can ask for a form of legal protection known as asylum after arriving in the U.S.

A person applying for asylum must prove that he or she has a fear of persecution in their country of nationality that is well-founded because of their race, religion, nationality, social group or political opinion, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services. To be eligible, a person must apply for asylum within one year of his or her arrival in the U.S.

Two paths to asylum

In "affirmative asylum" cases, an individual is in the U.S. or has arrived at a point of entry and has declared his or her application for asylum to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services within one year of their arrival in country. A decision can be made by a USCIS asylum officer.

In “defensive asylum” cases, an individual has requested asylum as a form of relief or defense against forcible removal from the U.S. before an immigration judge. The individual may have been undocumented or in violation of his or her status when apprehended in the U.S. or were caught trying to enter the U.S. without proper documentation and found to have a credible fear of persecution or torture.

Under the Refugee Convention, a refugee is someone who has fled their
own country and cannot return due to a well-founded fear of persecution.
The persecution may relate to a person’s race, religion, nationality,
membership of a particular social group, or political opinion.

What of those things does a Honduran have to fear? Answer NONE.
They fear crime? not on the list.
They fear drug cartels? not on the list.
They fear starvation? check the list, it's not there.
They fear that they have an inept government and things will never
get better? not on the list.

Obama, Bush, Clinton and others let all sorts of things be on the list.
Like the water was unsafe after a Hurricane and all sorts of countries
get listed as Temporary Protected Status. So they have an earthquake
in a country and ALL the people in that country get TPS these countries
never get off of TPS 10-20 years later.

Currently, persons from ten countries—Haiti, El Salvador, Syria, Nepal,
Honduras, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Nicaragua; and South Sudan—
have temporary protected status. About 320,000 people have TPS
as of 2017, the majority from El Salvador (195,000), Honduras
(57,000), and Haiti (46,000).

All Trump has to do is to remove all those countries from TPS and most
of the automated asylum that you read about in the liberal press is
eliminated.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/temporary-protected-status

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 07, 2018, 10:43:59 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 04, 2018, 10:17:18 AM

THE LAW says that if they present themselves to an Immigration official at
our border and declare that they are seeking asylum they MUST be admitted,
processed and given a court date. Of course very few actually show up for
their court date and the ones that don't have become illegally well entrenched
in "sanctuary" society; receiving benefits at taxpayer expense. The ones that
do show up for court can drag the process on for years.

That is what has happened in the past . . . . . .

It is what is going to happen again in this instance.

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2018, 02:42:57 PM

I'm afraid it you research the matter, you'll find that it does.

It wasn't the law, it was Clinton, Bush and Obama executive policies.
It was ended Friday by executive order. So Sheriff Joe Arpaio could
now in fact set up a tent prison system in the desert by the border
and keep all those illegals in a camp before they are deported.

Trump signs memo ending 'catch and release' immigration policy

President Donald Trump signed a memorandum on Friday ordering the end of a policy, known as “catch and release,” in which illegal immigrants are released from detention while awaiting a court hearing on their status.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-trump-memo/trump-signs-memo-ending-catch-and-release-immigration-policy-idUSKCN1HD31Q

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 09, 2018, 04:50:57 PM

This is another WTF, moment. Why's Jeff Sessions such a wimp? Rod Rosenstien needs to be fired asap.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/us/politics/fbi-raids-office-of-trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen.amp.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on April 10, 2018, 12:00:36 AM

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mueller-ukraine-payment-trump-foundation_us_5acc0792e4b0337ad1eb039b

I knew that Ukraine would somehow get dragged into all of this. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 10, 2018, 02:43:59 AM

Quote from: dcguyusa on April 10, 2018, 12:00:36 AM

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mueller-ukraine-payment-trump-foundation_us_5acc0792e4b0337ad1eb039b

I knew that Ukraine would somehow get dragged into all of this. :chuckle:

The story makes little sense, but than again when discussing politics and Ukraine in the same sentence there is no sense. V. Pinchuk is a strong supporter of Ukraine integrated into the European Union. P. Manafort who helped steer D. Trump through the Republican party nomination process was employed by V. Yanukovych who wanted stronger ties between Ukraine and Russia.

My guess if D. Trump spoke to the Dali Lama he would see this as collusion with the Russians.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 10, 2018, 05:13:27 AM

AvHdB, why do you prate on about things you can't be bothered to learn about?

Stick to discussions of the contents of your wine cellar, or perhaps fun nautical knots; stuff you learned when not so lazy.

Yanukovych was committed to the EU process. It is simply untrue to say that he was 'pro-Russian' at best he was agnostic. You confuse yourself by not knowing about the process of the EU Association Agreement and the negotiation process. If you were less confused and more knowledgeable, you'd know that it was only when the EU refused to help with the huge costs to the Ukrainian economy of the Association Agreement that he became open to the idea of emergency financial assistance from Russia.

Sadly, what he learned, only too late, about the real costs of the agreement is now being felt by the populace of a country whose economy is in tatters due to the ongoing deindustrialization and firesale of assets. It was his mistake in shepherding through the EU Association Agreement without early enough understanding the implications for the country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 10, 2018, 05:51:49 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 10, 2018, 05:13:27 AM

AvHdB, why do you prate o. . . . ake in shepherding through the EU Association Agreement without early enough understanding the implications for the country.

These are the words of the expert who has never been to Ukraine and pronounced the there would never be visa free travel from Ukraine to the Schengen countries.

But feel free to keep on trying.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 12, 2018, 09:57:19 AM

Ryan retiring says it all.

I'll take any and all bets regarding Democrats winning back the House of Representatives in November 2018.

The House will pass a Bill of Impeachment against Trump on or before March 15, 2019.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 12, 2018, 11:31:29 AM

AvHdB, one does not need to be a denizen of that benighted country to be able to read. I have read the association agreement. With a modicum of relevant training/education, it is not hard to see just how one-sided the document was. Silly boy AvHdB. Like you I can not foretell the future, merely have expectations and opinions. The mistake made by Yanukovych and his advisory team was in not recognizing the issues early enough, probably they were over keen. However, as you should, as an expert (hoho) know, his government was fully behind the Association Agreement. It was a huge error as anyone who can read and understand economic reports would know.

Unlike you, I am perfectly able to remember and know about the past. See the difference when it is pointed out to you?

However, in so far as that which was promised to Ukrainians in the waybackwhen, they have not got that which was promised. The only people who enjoy visa-free travel to the EU are those with biometric passports traveling on vacation. It will be a very, very long time before there is a true visa-free regime as opposed to the partial system now in place.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 12, 2018, 12:05:00 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2018, 09:57:19 AM

Ryan retiring says it all.

Shakey, just because the New York Times says something
doesn't make it so.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online
survey finds that 32% of Likely U.S. Voters think it would be
good for the country if Ryan stepped down as speaker, while
20% feel it would be bad.

Thirty-two percent (32%) believe it would have no impact on
the country if the Wisconsin Republican resigned, and another
16% are not sure.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/march_2018/few_republicans_would_be_sad_to_see_paul_ryan_go

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2018, 09:57:19 AM

I'll take any and all bets regarding Democrats winning back the House of Representatives in November 2018.

If the elections for Congress were held today, 45% of Likely U.S. Voters would
vote for the Democratic candidate, while 40% would vote for the Republican.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

That would mean that the GOP holds the house and probably gains 4-8 seats
in the Senate

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2018, 09:57:19 AM

The House will pass a Bill of Impeachment against Trump on or before March 15, 2019.

Am I reading your post correctly are you taking bets on just the house and/or
also impeachment?

If so, I'll wager $100.00 USD that the House doesn't pass a bill of impeachment
on or before March 15th 2019. I will PM you my contact details (please keep
them private) so you can track me down in the event I am too busy to
participate in the forum in March of next year.

Let me know if we are betting on impeachment or not. I want to make sure
that I understand rather than assume what your wager offer was about.

Udachi!

Bill

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 12, 2018, 12:12:43 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 12, 2018, 12:05:00 PM

Am I reading your post correctly are you taking bets on just the house and/or
also impeachment?

If so, I'll wager $100.00 USD that the House doesn't pass a bill of impeachment
on or before March 15th 2019. I will PM you my contact details (please keep
them private) so you can track me down in the event I am too busy to
participate in the forum in March of next year.

Let me know if we are betting on impeachment or not. I want to make sure
that I understand what you are talking about.

Udachi!

Bill

I'll take $100 on the Democrats taking control of the House in the November 2018 elections

AND

$100 on the House passing Articles of Impeachment on or before March 15, 2019.

Gotta take both bets . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Of course I realize that the Senate will never get 2/3 majority to convict.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 12, 2018, 12:57:29 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 12, 2018, 12:05:00 PM

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online
survey finds that 32% of Likely U.S. Voters think it would be
good for the country if Ryan stepped down as speaker, while
20% feel it would be bad.

Thirty-two percent (32%) believe it would have no impact on
the country if the Wisconsin Republican resigned, and another
16% are not sure.

And don't worry too much about Ryan. By the time his term is up next
January he will have landed 3-4 positions on major Fortune 500 Board
of Directors each paying between $200,000 and $300,000 per year with
MILLIONS of dollars in stock grants and options.

His "reward" for passing that absolutely horrible budget bill.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 12, 2018, 02:11:25 PM

It's great that Ryan is retiring, along with a few others. The Republican party needs new blood to build for the future.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 12, 2018, 03:46:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2018, 12:12:43 PM

I'll take $100 on the Democrats taking control of the House in the November 2018 elections

AND

$100 on the House passing a Bill of Impeachment on or before March 15, 2019.

Gotta take both bets . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

I'm glad you clarified. I am loath to bet on the d!p sh!ts in Congress.
They as a group are determined to do everything possible to lose and
screw up.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 12, 2018, 03:50:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2018, 12:57:29 PM

And don't worry too much about Ryan. By the time his term is up next
January he will have landed 3-4 positions on major Fortune 500 Board
of Directors each paying between $200,000 and $300,000 per year with
MILLIONS of dollars in stock grants and options.

His "reward" for passing that absolutely horrible budget bill.

I won't lose any sleep about Ryan, I am sure he will manage somehow :laugh:

That budget was a stinker for sure

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 12, 2018, 06:16:02 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 12, 2018, 11:31:29 AM

However, in so far as that which was promised to Ukrainians in the waybackwhen, they have not got that which was promised. The only people who enjoy visa-free travel to the EU are those with biometric passports traveling on vacation. It will be a very, very long time before there is a true visa-free regime as opposed to the partial system now in place.

Keep on trying though it is tiresome your expertise.

Ukraine has now for almost a year only offered International Biometric passports. Ukraine citizens with a return ticket are free to travel to the Schengen zone whether for business, personal reasons or vacation travel.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 12, 2018, 06:32:10 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 12, 2018, 03:46:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2018, 12:12:43 PM

I'll take $100 on the Democrats taking control of the House in the November 2018 elections

AND

$100 on the House passing a Bill of Impeachment on or before March 15, 2019.

Gotta take both bets . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

I'm glad you clarified. I am loath to bet on the d!p sh!ts in Congress.
They as a group are determined to do everything possible to lose and
screw up.

Agree 100% yet also optimistic that Trump voters will still come out in droves as we know full well the gridlock when Democrats have any power at all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 13, 2018, 02:26:02 PM

I am beginning to think that M. Pompeo might have more trouble getting confirmed. It is an interesting transcript of someone who can ask hard questions and a weasel.

The link did not load easily.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/04/13/rand_paul_to_mike_pompeo_your_nomination_does_not_reflect_the_foreign_policy_trump_ran_on.html

There is intelligence in DC

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 13, 2018, 09:25:22 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on April 13, 2018, 02:26:02 PM

I am beginning to think that M. Pompeo might have more trouble getting confirmed. It is an interesting transcript of someone who can ask hard questions and a weasel.

The link did not load easily.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/04/13/rand_paul_to_mike_pompeo_your_nomination_does_not_reflect_the_foreign_policy_trump_ran_on.html

There is intelligence in DC

I watched the video from start to finish. As usual Senator Rand Paul is the voice of logic, reason and consistency based on the Constitution of the United States, while Pompeo proves that he's inconsistent, irrational and a tool.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 13, 2018, 09:30:07 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2018, 12:12:43 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 12, 2018, 12:05:00 PM

Am I reading your post correctly are you taking bets on just the house and/or
also impeachment?

If so, I'll wager $100.00 USD that the House doesn't pass a bill of impeachment
on or before March 15th 2019. I will PM you my contact details (please keep
them private) so you can track me down in the event I am too busy to
participate in the forum in March of next year.

Let me know if we are betting on impeachment or not. I want to make sure
that I understand what you are talking about.

Udachi!

Bill

I'll take $100 on the Democrats taking control of the House in the November 2018 elections

AND

$100 on the House passing Articles of Impeachment on or before March 15, 2019.

Gotta take both bets . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Of course I realize that the Senate will never get 2/3 majority to convict.

Since President Trump has now broken his campaign promise to get us out of Afghanistan and not to attack Syria, I'm tempted to join the "impeach" crowd, except that Pence would be even worse in regards to approving ongoing military conflicts.

Clearly someone has gotten to Trump, he was compromised and the bogus "Russia, Russia, Russia" allegations are having their intended effect.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 14, 2018, 08:38:59 AM

Poll: Plurality of Democrats Credit Trump, Not Obama, for State of Economy

http://freebeacon.com/issues/poll-plurality-democrats-credit-trump-state-economy/amp/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on April 14, 2018, 03:15:50 PM

To our American friends and of course all others.

Just came across this very interesting video conversation at "Tru News" from 4 days ago.

I suggest you watch it.........

I was very surprised to hear some sensible people discussing the American Reality and pointing the figure to the Real Culprits of the current problems in Syria.

Enjoy it!

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 14, 2018, 09:24:52 PM

Quote from: Wiz on April 14, 2018, 03:15:50 PM

To our American friends and of course all others.

Just came across this very interesting video conversation at "Tru News" from 4 days ago.

I suggest you watch it.........

I was very surprised to hear some sensible people discussing the American Reality and pointing the figure to the Real Culprits of the current problems in Syria.

Enjoy it!

tiphat

Great video Wiz, thanks. Two takeaways:

1) The USA is no longer a Republic. When the deep state can raid the offices of the Lawyer of the President of the USA as an obvious threat to do their bidding; we are no longer a Republic. Bear in mind the raid on Trump's attorney was timed to occur at the exact same time he was in classified briefings with Generals and other officials regarding the Syrian situation. The message to Trump was clear: start the war we want you to start or you may be taken out of this office in handcuffs.

2) Consequently the USA has become or is becoming a Nuclear armed Banana Republic. Spying on a Presidential nominee for political purposes by the Obama regime comes to mind. Letting Hillary Clinton off the hook for her many crimes comes to mind. The bogus Mueller investigation comes to mind. All of these coordinated events were designed to discredit Trump and put enormous pressure on him to do their bidding. It hasn't helped that his personal life was indeed a mess (for example the Stormy Daniels allegations, which IMO are obviously true). The "deep state" is using dirt on this guy to manipulate him to do their bidding.

The reason being the journalists believe being that Russia and China have been building an alternative to the US Dollar dominance, which both Manny and Andrew have discussed. TPTB want a war with Russia because they don't want to give up the dominance of London and NYC as controlling World financial markets, as well as when a war is started they can basically do whatever they want; for example Bush Jr. passing the "Patriot Act" as a method of enacting more spying on US citizens and more unfettered Pentagon and CIA spending.

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on April 15, 2018, 01:28:19 AM

Confedarate

Glad you enjoyed the video and the American independent minds talking the truth there about the USA and they are not conspiracy theorists..... as Noby calls me, ... but normal well educated Americans.

The USA has never been a Democratic Country and today is doing the errant jobs for the Zionists banksters.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

Remember "ALL WARS ARE BANKE'S WARS"? ....... LISTEN to what Putin said in this video:

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on April 15, 2018, 02:09:47 AM

Quote from: shakespear on April 12, 2018, 09:57:19 AM

The House will pass a Bill of Impeachment against Trump on or before March 15, 2019.

For what? Because he hurt some people's feelings? People have wasted hours and days of their lives reading tabloid journalism. Talk on Trump collusion with Russia has gone quiet. The media sources (FBI lairs and leakers) haven't got much to say about that anymore. Some of the top FBI liars and leakers also been fired. Steele of the Steele Dossier has been fired by the FBI. After this is over, people will realize they wasted a good chunk of their lives reading stories full of speculation and journalists opinions instead of facts.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 15, 2018, 08:11:26 PM

Two esteemed Conservatives who opposed Trump's handling of the Douma, Syria event.

https://www.newsmax.com/thewire/savage-buchanan-oppose-syria-strike/2018/04/12/id/854143/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on April 20, 2018, 04:36:20 AM

Trump dead...

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on April 20, 2018, 05:10:04 AM

Quote from: Ste on April 20, 2018, 04:36:20 AM

Trump dead...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180420/1578bd2bd871162d05d374ca4c26d58b.jpg)

Did you pop a semi at this one?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on April 20, 2018, 06:59:27 AM

:-\ very mature.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on April 20, 2018, 09:25:07 AM

Quote from: Manny on June 22, 2015, 05:20:19 PM

I always thought him quite a likeable bloke. What I have read and seen up to now he is talking sense, and probably what America needs. That said, will he get enough votes? Doubtful. He is the US's answer to Farage.

Sometimes, it is interesting to view folks thoughts in hindsight ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on April 20, 2018, 09:29:16 AM

Quote from: Wiz on April 14, 2018, 03:15:50 PM

To our American friends and of course all others.

Just came across this very interesting video conversation at "Tru News" from 4 days ago.

I suggest you watch it.........

Surely not the missile cruiser Russian media suggested couldn't track incoming ?... The Americans must be mad to send her back ....

Title: President Trump: Lefties lose their minds
Post by: 2tallbill on April 20, 2018, 11:01:32 AM

The Democrats have lost their minds. Now the DNC is suing

The Democratic Party on Friday sued President Donald Trump's presidential
campaign, the Russian government and the Wikileaks group, claiming a broad conspiracy to help Trump win the 2016 election.

NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH

To those who don't know what a presidential campaign does.
A presidential campaign conspires to get it's candidate elected.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/20/democratic-party-files-suit-alleging-russia-the-trump-campaign-and-wikileaks-conspired-to-disrupt-the-2016-election-report.html

Title: President Trump: Lefties lose their minds
Post by: 2tallbill on April 20, 2018, 11:53:06 AM

The liberals lost, resoundingly lost but did they learn anything?

The answer is no that they think that they lost because they weren't
far enough out in kookville. So now they are running to the wacky
left like a fat girl falling down the stairs with no idea what's going
on around them.

Approximately 25% of Americans are liberal, compared to 38%
who are conservative and 33% who are moderates. Socialism
doesn't even hit 5%.

The New York Times thinks it's a great idea and several other news
organizations have written complimentary articles on socialism. I
hope all the democrats decide to run as socialists.

‘Yes, I’m Running as a Socialist.’ Why Candidates Are Embracing the Label in 2018
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/20/us/dsa-socialism-candidates-midterms.html

Poll: Majority of Democrats say socialism has 'positive impact'
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/democrats-poll-socialism-219600

Title: Re: President Trump: Lefties lose their minds
Post by: BillyB on April 20, 2018, 12:54:41 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 20, 2018, 11:01:32 AM

The Democratic Party on Friday sued President Donald Trump's presidential
campaign,

Guess who's paying for it?

Title: Re: President Trump: Lefties lose their minds
Post by: shakespear on April 20, 2018, 01:36:23 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 20, 2018, 11:01:32 AM

The Democrats have lost their minds. Now the DNC is suing

Of course they are -

It's their way of stealing the news headlines and diluting the news
about the Comey memos and the Judtice Department IG Reports that
PROVE exactly the contrary.

Title: Re: President Trump: Lefties lose their minds
Post by: Contrarian on April 20, 2018, 01:47:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2018, 01:36:23 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 20, 2018, 11:01:32 AM
The Democrats have lost their minds. Now the DNC is suing

Of course they are -

It's their way of stealing the news headlines and diluting the news
about the Comey memos and the Judtice Department IG Reports that
PROVE exactly the contrary.

Yes! We agree 100% on this!! :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Da3pF0qUwAUntFN.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump: Lefties lose their minds
Post by: B.B. on April 20, 2018, 06:47:52 PM

Quote from: Confederate on April 20, 2018, 01:47:15 PM

Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2018, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on April 20, 2018, 11:01:32 AM
The Democrats have lost their minds. Now the DNC is suing

Of course they are -

It's their way of stealing the news headlines and diluting the news
about the Comey memos and the Judtice Department IG Reports that
PROVE exactly the contrary.

Yes! We agree 100% on this!! :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Da3pF0qUwAUntFN.jpg)

That should have "Covfefe" below the image. Then it would be perfect.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump: Lefties lose their minds
Post by: AvHdB on April 20, 2018, 06:51:28 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 20, 2018, 11:01:32 AM

The Democrats have lost their minds. Now the DNC is suing

The Democratic Party on Friday sued President Donald Trump's presidential
campaign, the Russian government and the Wikileaks group, claiming a broad conspiracy to help Trump win the 2016 election.

When I first heard this on the radio, I thought wait April 1st was 20 days ago!

Title: Re: President Trump: Lefties lose their minds
Post by: Contrarian on April 20, 2018, 09:18:56 PM

Quote from: B.B. on April 20, 2018, 06:47:52 PM

Quote from: Confederate on April 20, 2018, 01:47:15 PM
Quote from: shakespear on April 20, 2018, 01:36:23 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on April 20, 2018, 11:01:32 AM
The Democrats have lost their minds. Now the DNC is suing

Of course they are -

It's their way of stealing the news headlines and diluting the news
about the Comey memos and the Judtice Department IG Reports that
PROVE exactly the contrary.

Yes! We agree 100% on this!! :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Da3pF0qUwAUntFN.jpg)

That should have "Covfefe" below the image. Then it would be perfect.

B/B

:king: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump: Lefties lose their minds
Post by: 2tallbill on April 21, 2018, 11:16:35 AM

Quote from: BillyB on April 20, 2018, 12:54:41 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on April 20, 2018, 11:01:32 AM
The Democratic Party on Friday sued President Donald Trump's presidential
campaign,

Guess who's paying for it?

The Russians? The Chinese? George Soros? Nobody is funding them and
that's why they are using the lawsuit as a means to get few fund raising
dollars and publicity.

DNC: Fundraising woes tied to 2016 conspiracy
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/20/dnc-fundraising-woes-tied-2016-conspiracy/

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 25, 2018, 09:09:04 PM

With unemployment at record lows, and the economy very good, the democrats seem a bit out of touch with the direction of how they propose to restore the economy and get everyone working.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/25/reparations-income-handouts-guaranteed-jobs-dems-tilt-hard-left-with-new-pet-projects.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 26, 2018, 02:59:32 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on April 25, 2018, 09:09:04 PM

With unemployment at record lows, and the economy very good, the democrats seem a bit out of touch with the direction of how they propose to restore the economy and get everyone working.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/04/25/reparations-income-handouts-guaranteed-jobs-dems-tilt-hard-left-with-new-pet-projects.html

Sad how most people have no idea of what the unemployment rate is or why the statement above is, at best, misleading. The figures mislead becasue of the way in which the definition is framed: The unemployed are defined as those who do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior four weeks and are available to work That excludes a large, very large number of people who are unemployed for a long time. People who have become discouraged from looking for work but still want and need employment are excluded giving a much more rosy picture.

The relevant figure is the worforce particpation rate becasue it is much less buggered about with. Unemplyment rate does not include the really unemployed.

Workforce particpation has fallen considerably over the past few years. This number is the percentage of the population availble to work who are in employment. It does not exclude peopel for having been unemployed for a long time. While it does include, for example, home-makers, the important part of the particpation rate is the change over time. We can assume, on the whole, that the participation of disabled, home-makers, etc. will not change much over time so if the participation rate falls then that signals an increase in unemployment.

Here's the graph that makes the point: https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/united-states-labor-force-participation-rate.png?s=unitedstalabforparra&v=201804061230v&d1=20020426&d2=20180426
(https://d3fy651gv2fhd3.cloudfront.net/charts/united-states-labor-force-participation-rate.png?s=unitedstalabforparra&v=201804061230v&d1=20020426&d2=20180426)

On the upside for fans of Mr. Trump, the labor force particpation rate has gone up from its record low numbers of a while back.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on April 26, 2018, 08:33:33 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 26, 2018, 02:59:32 AM

Sad how most people have no idea of what the unemployment rate is or why the statement above is, at best, misleading. The figures mislead becasue of the way in which the definition is framed: The unemployed are defined as those who do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior four weeks and are available to work That excludes a large, very large number of people who are unemployed for a long time. People who have become discouraged from looking for work but still want and need employment are excluded giving a much more rosy picture.

The relevant figure is the worforce particpation rate becasue it is much less buggered about with. Unemplyment rate does not include the really unemployed.

Workforce particpation has fallen considerably over the past few years. This number is the percentage of the population availble to work who are in employment. It does not exclude peopel for having been unemployed for a long time. While it does include, for example, home-makers, the important part of the particpation rate is the change over time. We can assume, on the whole, that the participation of disabled, home-makers, etc. will not change much over time so if the participation rate falls then that signals an increase in unemployment.

On the upside for fans of Mr. Trump, the labor force participation rate has gone up from its record low numbers of a while back.

Actually, Andrew is on the right track here.

More specifically, The Bureau of Labor Statistics calculates six alternate measures of unemployment, U1 through U6, that measure different aspects of unemployment:[44]

U1:[45] Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.

U2: Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.

U3: Official unemployment rate per the ILO definition occurs when people are without jobs and they have actively looked for work within the past four weeks.[46]

U4: U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.

U5: U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or "loosely attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.

U6: U5 + Part-time workers who want to work full-time, but cannot due to economic reasons (underemployment).

It would seem to me the U6 would be a more accurate picture of the real US unemployment rate rather than the U3.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 26, 2018, 11:43:50 AM

Actually, it isn't that either. :)

As with many measurements there are several possible deifnitions, just as for money supply and each definition has different uses. The headline numbers are usually based upon the definition that best suits the authority that is providing the numbers (the government in this kind of context).
However, the headline unemployment rate is based upon a survey of a sample of households as described here: https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm

The definition I used is the one that is followed in the survey, the ILO definition I already gave. If you look at the page linked it seems to be pretty comprehensive and very reasonable. However a closer look tells us that the long-term unemployed are not counted. OK, some of them might be but the entire group of people who are what is often euphemistically referred to as 'discouraged' is not included. Also, those who might be recorded as being out of the labour force would, almost certainly, be in it if opportunities were better. For example, many homemakers are now removed from the work force and not counted but, in better times, those people would have chosen to work. For many families this is an economic decision. For example: if low paid work is the only work available then it can be better to not work rather than pay for child care. Another example is young people. Unemployment among the young is terrible, but numbers are reduced by shifting them out of the workforce - people in full-time education are not counted as part of the workforce and many young people choose to go onto further and higher education in order to not be unemployed. That's now a structural issue and we accept it as normal. However, it is clear to see that many people go to further education when that is not a sensible or appropriate choice.

This is why the participation rate is very useful as an indication of reality. Here's why using a hypothetical scenario:
If we were to assume a constant population, for example 1,000,000 people, a fixed number of jobs, and that the unemplyment rate was at about the marginal rate (about 4%) then the working population would be 960,000 and the unemployed would number 40,000 - right? Labour participation rate is also 96%.

That looks fine.

But, over time the population changes and now the population is 1,500,000. If the number of jobs remains unchanged at 960,000 then the unemployment rate becomes 56%. The working population remains the same. Because the number of jobs is fixed the people who are unemployed will not find jobs and so they will stop looking. (yes, this is a hypothetical example, in real life some people would change jobs and some people would move in, or out, of employment).

So now we can see a serous problem the particpation rate has dropped from 96% to 64% a terrible situation - but that is what is happening inthe United States right now.

Because these people are 'discouraged' they have given up looking for jobs that do not exist, they are not counted as unemployed by the ILO definition. Thus the unemployment rate remains at 4%! Of course these people want and need employment but they gave up on finding that which does not exist.

Clearly that is ridiculous but it is how U.S. unemployment stats are counted. The U.S is not alone in this but there are some variations in how the terms are defined around the world. As I recall, a few years ago the U.S moved to counting all those who had been unemployed for more than six months as being discouraged, even if they were actually looking for a job. The cut-off was an arbitrary choice that favoured the unemplyment rate.

In the second case though we would see that the labour force particpation rate had gone down from 96% to 64%. Immediately we can see that there's a problem that was being hidden by the headline unemployment figures presented by the government. :)

For some reason, the labour force particpation rate is almost never referred to in the context of unemployment, especially not by those who herald record low levels of unemployment. I wonder why. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 02, 2018, 01:43:43 AM

The guy’s a fukn idiot with serious mental issues.

“Donald Trump wrote own health letter, says physician Harold Bornstein”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43970908

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 02, 2018, 05:42:03 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 02, 2018, 01:43:43 AM

The guy’s a fukn idiot with serious mental issues.

“Donald Trump wrote own health letter, says physician Harold Bornstein”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43970908

It is a strange story at the very least. Though I sort of wonder about the motives of the Doctor and the claim this 'collection' of medical records was 'standard procedure'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: miquel westano on May 02, 2018, 03:47:48 PM

Quote from: Ste on May 02, 2018, 01:43:43 AM

The guy’s a fukn idiot with serious mental issues.

“Donald Trump wrote own health letter, says physician Harold Bornstein”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43970908

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Maybe he did, and maybe he didn't. There are so many lies about Trump, who knows? I agree he is a bit of a nut, and does some odd things. But, with all the fake news and phony allegations against him, I can see why he does some of it.

If he did write his own medical letter, it kind of falls in the so what department. The stock market is up, the Koreas are kissing and making up, and despite the claims of the media small businesses are prospering again. Let him write all he wants if he can slowly erase the stain of eight years of Obama.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 03, 2018, 01:49:14 AM

Quote from: miquel westano on May 02, 2018, 03:47:48 PM

Quote from: Ste on May 02, 2018, 01:43:43 AM
The guy’s a fukn idiot with serious mental issues.

“Donald Trump wrote own health letter, says physician Harold Bornstein”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43970908

If he did write his own medical letter, it kind of falls in the so what department.

You have to ask Melania.... for that. She doesn't look very happy .... lately!

:laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 03, 2018, 02:25:06 AM

Worth noting that the estimable quack does not say that the letter supposedly dictated to him is inaccurate or untrue.

Sounds to me like a pretty normal thing. Trump knew the form that he wanted for the letter and so dictated the structure of the thing. The doctor provided the factual input that provided the purpose of the document.

How many people who have attained a position of some responsibility in life or work have not themselves created documents in this manner and thus know how normal it is?

I'd suggest that you poor, poor Americans are being treated like fools, yet again. When will you learn? :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 03, 2018, 08:15:07 AM

Healthiest president ever? Do me a favour. He’s morbid obese, elastic in height, obvious a drinker, red nose, pissed-up Tweets, eats cheeseburgers and pussies...

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 03, 2018, 08:28:43 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 03, 2018, 08:15:07 AM

Healthiest president ever? Do me a favour. He’s morbid obese, elastic in height, obvious a drinker, red nose, pissed-up Tweets, eats cheeseburgers and pussies...

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OK, so now tell us what is in the report that is medical information that is incorrect? You might then want to compare that report to all the others and comment, as a medical expert, to create a ranking.

Realistically, you can't do any of that. So, what you have done is fallen for the negative propaganda. Whilst I expect that the 'healthiest president ever' words are almost certainly hyperbole but they also form no part of the medical information that will be used by the White House team in supporting the president. :)

What Trump seems to have done is use the part of the letter that he knew would become public to make a statement but the 'meat' of the document is almost certain to be confidential and he'd have known that.

You've been successfully manipulated twice. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: miquel westano on May 03, 2018, 08:30:32 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 03, 2018, 08:15:07 AM

Healthiest president ever? Do me a favour. He’s morbid obese, elastic in height, obvious a drinker, red nose, pissed-up Tweets, eats cheeseburgers and pussies...

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On the other hand he is, one of the most powerful people in the world, one of the richest people in the world, one of the most followed people in the world, one of the news worthiest people in the world, married to a hot babe, has bedded many other hot babes, has a sense of self worth, and would have to be considered a winner.

The media hacks who run him down, come in quite a bit below that in pretty much every category. I think the single best thing Trump has done is show the depths the opposing party will sink to.

They cheated in the election, manufactured accounts of his collusion, likely make up many accounts of his personal life and oppose his efforts to strengthen America. They will support porn stars, criminals, illegal immigrants, trannies and other newer genders (pansexual) and poison our school kids with scare tactics. They obsess over his height, weight and hair. They still lay awake at night wondering how the hell he beat the democrat sacred cow. Without Trump the democrats wouldn't have anything to talk about.

Even if they get Trump out in four years, the Democrat party will never recover it's credibility with normal folks.

Plus it is a great show. The world vs Trump is better than the UFC or boxing!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on May 03, 2018, 01:37:15 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 03, 2018, 08:28:43 AM

Quote from: Ste on May 03, 2018, 08:15:07 AM
Healthiest president ever? Do me a favour. He’s morbid obese, elastic in height, obvious a drinker, red nose, pissed-up Tweets, eats cheeseburgers and pussies...

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OK, so now tell us what is in the report that is medical information that is incorrect? You might then want to compare that report to all the others and comment, as a medical expert, to create a ranking.

Realistically, you can't do any of that. So, what you have done is fallen for the negative propaganda. Whilst I expect that the 'healthiest president ever' words are almost certainly hyperbole but they also form no part of the medical information that will be used by the White House team in supporting the president. :)

What Trump seems to have done is use the part of the letter that he knew would become public to make a statement but the 'meat' of the document is almost certain to be confidential and he'd have known that.

You've been successfully manipulated twice. :)

Andy, I’m guessing that your post was for the benefit of the larger audience. The reality is, we both know that Ste has an unhealthy obsession with Trump and anything negative gives him a semi.

Pick on Trumps true faults rather than froth up at the smear campaign. How sad some people are.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on May 03, 2018, 01:52:26 PM

Quote from: Ste on May 02, 2018, 01:43:43 AM

The guy’s a fukn idiot with serious mental issues.

“Donald Trump wrote own health letter, says physician Harold Bornstein”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43970908

Ste, it's been about a year and a half Trump's been president. You should know by now the media doesn't have exclusive rights to the truth and frequently lie about Trump. They assume their readers are idiots and believe anything they write.

Trump's old doctor is upset. He revealed to Fake News NY Times that he prescribed Trump certain medicines, one being for hair growth. A doctor is supposed to keep patients medical records confidential. He violated that and got his office raided to remove all Trump's records. He's mad but he done it to himself. A lot of his patients will stop using him because he's got a big mouth.

Ever since the medical letter came out, the doctor gave many interviews to explain it and in every interview he said he wrote the letter. Here's one in 2016

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-doctor-wrote-health-letter-just-5-minutes-limo-waited-n638526

Here's an interview in 2015

https://nypost.com/2015/12/14/donald-trumps-doctor-says-hes-really-really-healthy/

Don't believe everything fake news tells you. They can find these interviews just as easy as I did but they don't want their readers to know about them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 03, 2018, 03:09:32 PM

Yes, I always write assuming that more than one person will read. Millions of people will fall for this crap. Billy is right here. The doctor has been manipulated and used himself. Used as a tool.

Trump is no paragon but it is plain to see that there is an ongoing slow coup. If he falls there is no chance that the United States can ever be what many Americans think the United States is, or used to be. And yes, that was always an illusion, an aspiration, but if the coup succeeds the the future will be dark.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on May 03, 2018, 04:39:29 PM

Quote

“The president will not serve out this term. I guarantee it,”

Is this before or after the North Korea summit? :chuckle:

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-resign-guarantee-avenatti-giuliani-909380

Quote

For most of the past decade, as the U.S. economy marched through the second-longest expansion in its history, Americans enjoyed a rare trifecta: soaring stock values, cheap loans and consumer prices that rarely rose.

That favorable climate benefited everyone from people nearing retirement to those buying their first homes or just filling their gas tanks.

But suddenly, the good fortune is melting away, imperiling the props that have supported American economic confidence and incomes and intensifying pressure on President Trump to deliver the faster growth and higher wages he has promised.

Looks like all good things must come to an end. :-\

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 04, 2018, 02:20:33 PM

President Trump is going to be the greatest President to ever lead the United States.
Those that doubt record lows in unemployment come to the U.S. and you will see many businesses looking for employees.
I would say at least 60 percent of businesses have signs in their windows.
Construction there's a huge shortage of workers at the moment.
Liberals are in panic mode as President Trump takes the country to prosperity that has not been seen for decades.
And those that question his health, I'm positive President Trump could easily manhandled any democrats including Hillary and how Biden. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 04, 2018, 02:39:01 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 04, 2018, 02:20:33 PM

President Trump is going to be the greatest President to ever lead the United States.
Those that doubt record lows in unemployment come to the U.S. and you will see many businesses looking for employees.
I would say at least 60 percent of businesses have signs in their windows.
Construction there's a huge shortage of workers at the moment.
Liberals are in panic mode as President Trump takes the country to prosperity that has not been seen for decades.
And those that question his health, I'm positive President Trump could easily manhandled any democrats including Hillary and how Biden. :)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 04, 2018, 03:08:27 PM

Quote from: Ste on May 04, 2018, 02:39:01 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on May 04, 2018, 02:20:33 PM
President Trump is going to be the greatest President to ever lead the United States.
Those that doubt record lows in unemployment come to the U.S. and you will see many businesses looking for employees.
I would say at least 60 percent of businesses have signs in their windows.
Construction there's a huge shortage of workers at the moment.
Liberals are in panic mode as President Trump takes the country to prosperity that has not been seen for decades.
And those that question his health, I'm positive President Trump could easily manhandled any democrats including Hillary and how Biden. :)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

We all have our fetishes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on May 04, 2018, 04:43:49 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 03, 2018, 03:09:32 PM

The doctor has been manipulated and used himself. Used as a tool.

Just for the record, Trump didn't go out and find any doctor that will write him a false medical report and sign it. The doctor worked for Trump 35 years and inherited the job of being Trump's doctor from his dad. Trump, being filthy rich could pick anybody to be his doctor but stuck with Dr. Bornstein probably because he did a good job.

Dr. Bornstein could look better with a haircut but he may actually be a good doctor and kept Trump in good health prescribing him the right medicine to keep things in check. It's in his self interest to say Trump is in excellent health because it's his job to get him there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on May 04, 2018, 05:31:06 PM

Quote

Marrone purchased his plane ticket after finding a credit card and "thought it was a gift from God,”
Marrone told police he wanted to speak to Trump about “the static and frequency feedback that I constantly hear emanating from my basement and from fans and in my head.”

http://www.newsweek.com/ohio-man-arrested-after-flying-florida-smoke-joint-president-trump-mar-lago-910322

Manna from heaven! He was at the right place at the right time. :chuckle:

See what all of these Wi-Fi broadcasts are doing to the populace. :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 05, 2018, 02:41:29 AM

I am sure Bornstein was a good doctor. I didn't suggest otherwise. The point was that he had put himself into a position to be manipulated by those who chose to use him as a tool. The guy's hubris put him in that place.

As a result of his personal failure, no matter what his technical expertise might be, his inability to control himself renders him unfit to be a good doctor. It is time for him to start drawing his pension; after all, how many people of Trump's position and power will now trust the guy's discretion?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on May 05, 2018, 08:17:46 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 05, 2018, 02:41:29 AM

As a result of his personal failure, no matter what his technical expertise might be, his inability to control himself renders him unfit to be a good doctor. It is time for him to start drawing his pension; after all, how many people of Trump's position and power will now trust the guy's discretion?

I agree. He'll lose a lot of pro Trump patients since he disclosed what he prescribed to Trump on anti Trump media.

Quote from: andrewfi on May 05, 2018, 02:41:29 AM

The point was that he had put himself into a position to be manipulated by those who chose to use him as a tool. The guy's hubris put him in that place.

This I disagree. Trump approached his doctor who worked for him for 3 decades and said he is running for president and needed a statement of his health. The doctor is smart enough to know he's Trump's doctor and it'll benefit himself if he writes something good, after all, he's partially in charge of Trump's overall health.

If you were the auto mechanic for the UK Prime Minister and she asked for a statement on the health of her car, you'd write her car is in excellent health. If you were her chef and she needed a statement of the quality of food you cooked, you'd write her food is of the highest quality. Trump didn't tell his doctor what to write. His doctor didn't get manipulated. His doctor knew what to write for his own benefit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 05, 2018, 11:08:41 AM

Quote from: BillyB on May 05, 2018, 08:17:46 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 05, 2018, 02:41:29 AM
The point was that he had put himself into a position to be manipulated by those who chose to use him as a tool. The guy's hubris put him in that place.

This I disagree. Trump approached his doctor who worked for him for 3 decades and said he is running for president and needed a statement of his health. The doctor is smart enough to know he's Trump's doctor and it'll benefit himself if he writes something good, after all, he's partially in charge of Trump's overall health.

If you were the auto mechanic for the UK Prime Minister and she asked for a statement on the health of her car, you'd write her car is in excellent health. If you were her chef and she needed a statement of the quality of food you cooked, you'd write her food is of the highest quality. Trump didn't tell his doctor what to write. His doctor didn't get manipulated. His doctor knew what to write for his own benefit.

One would hope that a doctor, lawyer or auto mechanic would have enough integrity to state the truth. Whether the actions are self inflicted I can not determine, but they are unusual to say the least.

But in the real world a mechanic told my sister in law she needed new brake pads which I had replaced 10,000 miles earlier.

A doctor said I had high blood pressure, but in January the medical tests said I was on the low side.

A lawyer told me to settle, in the end the opposing party had to pay for his 'actions'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on May 05, 2018, 11:19:18 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 05, 2018, 11:08:41 AM

One would hope that a doctor, lawyer or auto mechanic would have enough integrity to state the truth. Whether the actions are self inflicted I can determine, but they are unusual to say the least.

But in the real world a mechanic told my sister in law she needed new brake pads which I replaced 10,000 miles earlier.

A doctor said I had high blood pressure, but in January the medical tests said I was on the low side.

A lawyer told me to settle, in the end the opposing party had to pay for his 'actions'.

Unfortunately I must agree with you Av, society as a whole seems to be losing its integrity. Certainly there are still honest people around, but one must be more cautious (dare I say cynical?) than ever before.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 05, 2018, 12:40:31 PM

So back to my original post where I suggested that Trump enlist
Sheriff Joe Arpaio to build a Tent City type jail in the desert to
house illegals as they get swept up and while they are awaiting
trail.

That would do several things.
1. Keep illegals where we know where they are
2. Discourage new people from crossing the border illegally
3. Get Joe Arpaio back to doing what he is good at rather than
running for a Senate seat.
4. Save money.

Quote from: shakespear on April 06, 2018, 02:42:57 PM

Better read up on the Asylum seekers to the USA.

Individuals who fear harm or persecution in their home country can ask for a form of legal protection known as asylum after arriving in the U.S.

Temporary Protected Status Designated Country: Honduras

ALERT: On May 4, 2018, Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen M. Nielsen announced her decision to terminate the Temporary Protected Status (TPS) designation for Honduras with a delayed effective date of 18 months to allow for an orderly transition before the designation terminates on Jan. 5, 2020.

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/temporary-protected-status/temporary-protected-status-designated-country-honduras

Supreme Court Ruling Means Immigrants Could Continue To Be
Detained Indefinitely
The case, Jennings v. Rodriguez, has implications for legal permanent residents whom the government wants to deport because they committed crimes and
for asylum seekers who are awaiting a court date after turning themselves
in at the border.

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/27/589096901/supreme-court-ruling-means-immigrants-can-continue-to-be-detained-indefinitely

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 05, 2018, 01:38:09 PM

Billy, you missed the point. The people manipulating the doctor were not Trump or his team but Trump's opponents who egged him on and made sure that he got plenty if exposure. I'd also be surprised if words attributed to him were ever actually spoken by him. I wrote a few weeks ago about how that is done.

:'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on May 05, 2018, 03:21:31 PM

Andrew, the doctor wasn't manipulated by anybody. Unless he's living in a cave on an island, he clearly knew the media he was talking to and that they hammer on Trump on a regular basis.

There is money to be made telling all. We got hookers, jounalists with access to the white house, and an ex FBI director telling all in interviews and in books.

The doctor hasn't come out and say what NY Times wrote was false. He's only claiming his office was raided and feels raped. He's been around long enough. He knew what he was doing talking to the NY Times.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 05, 2018, 03:45:42 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on May 05, 2018, 12:40:31 PM

Temporary Protected Status Designated Country: Honduras

About gawddam time. Mofos have been here NINETEEN FCUKING YEARS.

You know what other nations get TPS? Haiti, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Syria, Nepal and Yemen. We do NOT need any more fcuking SOMALIS. Just ask Justine Damond. Oh, right, you can't; she's DEAD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond) :GRAVE: Let those folks go home and Make Somalia, etc., Great Again.

My fave bit of recent news was this:

Dreamers: "Make DACA permanent, or...or...or WE'LL LEAVE THE COUNTRY!!!" (http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/07/news/economy/daca-deal-dreamers/index.html)

Heritage America: "Yeah, that's pretty much the IDEA. And if you could, pls grab a Somali or two on your way out the door."

:chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 06, 2018, 12:49:42 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 06, 2018, 08:37:45 AM

While we can not know exactly what was said, the people who used the doctor would not have been doing their job right if they did not manipulate him, if they did not use words out of context or use leading questions. That's the job.

And no, there'd be nothing about which he could complain because everything published would have been carefully chosen to be justifiable. That's the job.

In other circumstances, if there was not a slow coup underway, then nobody would have been interested in the doctor or his story.

Fun thing is, you are showing that you have been programmed by the media you say have done no wrong here - you have chosen to accept and use the framing of the story that has been programmed. Do you really think that there was an entry by force into his office in order to steal from it? Do you think this was a forcible, illegal entry into the premises?
We know, upon reflection, that neither of those things is likely to be true, and yet you have been manipulated into thinking that this happened - if you didn't accept the framing you'd not have used the words you did!

Do you know that the doctor said he felt 'raped'? I bet that he never said that, at least not until after the words had already been put into his mouth, in print, at which point he'd have accepted the framing and could not deny the words.

The chances are that somebody said to him something like this: 'I wouldn't be surprised if you felt raped' to which he might have said 'yes', or 'something like that', or even 'it wasn't pleasant'. At that point, the word 'rape' could be legitimately used as have having been said by the doctor. And you just got programmed by accepting the framing.

If you are unsure about the foregoing, reflect a moment. How often have you seen, read, or heard people saying something like this: they put words into my mouth, they took my words out of context, I didn't say that. That's what people say after they appear in print having been 'interviewed' by a journalist who manipulated the content of the interview.

Does the doctor benefit? Probably not, his practice is now finished. He might think he will get money, but he won't - but that's not what he will have been led to believe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Ste on May 06, 2018, 10:00:26 AM

Scary book....

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180506/443384a4855bc730561560b4c96b8131.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180506/0682eec626ea90cb6eeafd2480463220.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on May 06, 2018, 01:13:22 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 06, 2018, 08:37:45 AM

the people who used the doctor would not have been doing their job right if they did not manipulate him, if they did not use words out of context or use leading questions. That's the job.

Of course that is their job. Anti Trump media needs to find things to make Trump look bad. The doctor should've know the anti Trump media he was talking to was looking to embarrass Trump. The doctor should've went into the interview backing up his work and claims Trump was in good health. He either slipped up or was paid to tell all.

Quote from: andrewfi on May 06, 2018, 08:37:45 AM

Do you know that the doctor said he felt 'raped'? I bet that he never said that, at least not until after the words had already been put into his mouth, in print, at which point he'd have accepted the framing and could not deny the words.

You say I'm programmed by the media yet you don't know the facts. You bet he didn't say that but it's easy to find this stuff on the net. Took me a few seconds. Here's part of the interview. Full interview out there if you want it all so you don't claim words are taken out of context. Rape claim starts at beginning of video.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 06, 2018, 03:29:59 PM

Quote from: BillyB on May 06, 2018, 01:13:22 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 06, 2018, 08:37:45 AM
Do you know that the doctor said he felt 'raped'? I bet that he never said that, at least not until after the words had already been put into his mouth, in print, at which point he'd have accepted the framing and could not deny the words.

You say I'm programmed by the media yet you don't know the facts. You bet he didn't say that but it's easy to find this stuff on the net. Took me a few seconds. Here's part of the interview. Full interview out there if you want it all so you don't claim words are taken out of context. Rape claim starts at beginning of video.

The video is more of an interview and it seems highly staged. I go back to my initial observation what are the motives, considering or regarding the doctor?

If the good doctor depicted is your rape target or mark, you are a sorry sod.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on May 06, 2018, 04:16:56 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 06, 2018, 03:29:59 PM

The video is more of an interview and it seems highly staged.

So you don't like what was said, even when video evidence is provided so you claim it was staged as if the doctor is in on it and doesn't mean it.

What more do you want for evidence?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 06, 2018, 05:20:12 PM

Quote from: BillyB on May 06, 2018, 04:16:56 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 06, 2018, 03:29:59 PM
The video is more of an interview and it seems highly staged.

So you don't like what was said, even when video evidence is provided so you claim it was staged as if the doctor is in on it and doesn't mean it.

What more do you want for evidence?

The actual comments are not so much a concern for me. What I strongly doubt is this is an ad hoc or question and answer give and take. It is odd you do not hear questions from some one conducting the interview. His responses are formalized and stilted. If this was some one in my work world I would guess mind altering substances were present.

But in the big picture this is a ripple in a tea cup.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on May 06, 2018, 10:43:43 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 06, 2018, 05:20:12 PM

It is odd you do not hear questions from some one conducting the interview. His responses are formalized and stilted. If this was some one in my work world I would guess mind altering substances were present.

Does it really matter to hear the whole interview? The doctor gave an interview at NY Times, and is making the rounds at other anti Trump newsites. Contrary to what Andrew says, the guy isn't being manipulated. He knows what he's doing talking to those media sources

If he doesn't like how liberal sources are twisting his words, he can go on Fox News and claim they are twisting his words. He has not done that so what he says is currently what he means whether true or not.

Quote from: AvHdB on May 06, 2018, 05:20:12 PM

But in the big picture this is a ripple in a tea cup.

For the anti Trump media and their followers, this is big news. Almost everything Trump does or what someone claims he did are impeachable offenses.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 07, 2018, 12:51:31 AM

The Lord said to Moses,

Priests must not shave their heads or shave off the edges of their beards or cut their bodies.

They must not marry women defiled by prostitution or divorced from their husbands, because priests are holy to their God.

If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.

For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God.

No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles.

No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the food offerings to the Lord. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God.

He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food;

Yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary.

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article9199918.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Business-tycoon-Donald-Trump-with-his-girlfriend-model-Melania-Knauss.jpg)

And the saga of "Dallas..... error... Mac Trump .. Continue

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on May 07, 2018, 02:05:54 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 05, 2018, 03:45:42 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on May 05, 2018, 12:40:31 PM
Temporary Protected Status Designated Country: Honduras

About gawddam time. Mofos have been here NINETEEN FCUKING YEARS.

You know what other nations get TPS? Haiti, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Syria, Nepal and Yemen. We do NOT need any more fcuking SOMALIS. Just ask Justine Damond. Oh, right, you can't; she's DEAD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond) :GRAVE: Let those folks go home and Make Somalia, etc., Great Again.

My fave bit of recent news was this:

Dreamers: "Make DACA permanent, or...or...or WE'LL LEAVE THE COUNTRY!!!" (http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/07/news/economy/daca-deal-dreamers/index.html)

Heritage America: "Yeah, that's pretty much the IDEA. And if you could, pls grab a Somali or two on your way out the door."

:chuckle:

B/B

You really don’t like Somalis, do you??? ????

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 07, 2018, 05:36:57 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on May 07, 2018, 02:05:54 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 05, 2018, 03:45:42 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on May 05, 2018, 12:40:31 PM
Temporary Protected Status Designated Country: Honduras

About gawddam time. Mofos have been here NINETEEN FCUKING YEARS.

You know what other nations get TPS? Haiti, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Syria, Nepal and Yemen. We do NOT need any more fcuking SOMALIS. Just ask Justine Damond. Oh, right, you can't; she's DEAD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond) :GRAVE: Let those folks go home and Make Somalia, etc., Great Again.

My fave bit of recent news was this:

Dreamers: "Make DACA permanent, or...or...or WE'LL LEAVE THE COUNTRY!!!" (http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/07/news/economy/daca-deal-dreamers/index.html)

Heritage America: "Yeah, that's pretty much the IDEA. And if you could, pls grab a Somali or two on your way out the door."

:chuckle:

B/B
You really don’t like Somalis, do you??? ????

DS Good to see you posting again :thumbsup:

B.B's opinion regarding Somalia's is a bit like Wiz's opinion of Jewish people. :-X

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on May 07, 2018, 09:54:19 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 07, 2018, 05:36:57 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on May 07, 2018, 02:05:54 AM
Quote from: B.B. on May 05, 2018, 03:45:42 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on May 05, 2018, 12:40:31 PM
Temporary Protected Status Designated Country: Honduras

About gawddam time. Mofos have been here NINETEEN FCUKING YEARS.

You know what other nations get TPS? Haiti, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Syria, Nepal and Yemen. We do NOT need any more fcuking SOMALIS. Just ask Justine Damond. Oh, right, you can't; she's DEAD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond) :GRAVE: Let those folks go home and Make Somalia, etc., Great Again.

My fave bit of recent news was this:

Dreamers: "Make DACA permanent, or...or...or WE'LL LEAVE THE COUNTRY!!!" (http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/07/news/economy/daca-deal-dreamers/index.html)

Heritage America: "Yeah, that's pretty much the IDEA. And if you could, pls grab a Somali or two on your way out the door."

:chuckle:

B/B
You really don’t like Somalis, do you??? ????

DS Good to see you posting again :thumbsup:

B.B's opinion regarding Somalia's is a bit like Wiz's opinion of Jewish people. :-X

Au contraire. I think zBB is accurate in his estimation of Domalis while Wis is just anti Semitic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 07, 2018, 02:33:00 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on May 07, 2018, 09:54:19 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 07, 2018, 05:36:57 AM
Quote from: Dogsoldier on May 07, 2018, 02:05:54 AM
Quote from: B.B. on May 05, 2018, 03:45:42 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on May 05, 2018, 12:40:31 PM
Temporary Protected Status Designated Country: Honduras

About gawddam time. Mofos have been here NINETEEN FCUKING YEARS.

You know what other nations get TPS? Haiti, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Syria, Nepal and Yemen. We do NOT need any more fcuking SOMALIS. Just ask Justine Damond. Oh, right, you can't; she's DEAD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond) :GRAVE: Let those folks go home and Make Somalia, etc., Great Again.

My fave bit of recent news was this:

Dreamers: "Make DACA permanent, or...or...or WE'LL LEAVE THE COUNTRY!!!" (http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/07/news/economy/daca-deal-dreamers/index.html)

Heritage America: "Yeah, that's pretty much the IDEA. And if you could, pls grab a Somali or two on your way out the door."

:chuckle:

B/B
You really don’t like Somalis, do you??? ????

DS Good to see you posting again :thumbsup:

B.B's opinion regarding Somalia's is a bit like Wiz's opinion of Jewish people. :-X
Au contraire. I think zBB is accurate in his estimation of Domalis while Wis is just anti Semitic.

The wanderer returns....

So anybody who is criticising the actions of the Zionist Israel and the Jews..... is anti Semitic.?

Can you give us the definition of Anti Semitic?

Have I ever criticised the religion of the Jews and in actual fact Judaism?

:reading:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 07, 2018, 06:01:42 PM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on May 07, 2018, 02:05:54 AM

You really don’t like Somalis, do you??? ????

Is it my fault they suck?

Quote from: AvHdB on May 07, 2018, 05:36:57 AM

B.B's opinion regarding Somalia's is a bit like Wiz's opinion of Jewish people. :-X

I don't hate Somalis, I just think they should be in Somalia, and not fcuking up decent countries.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 08, 2018, 07:49:50 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 07, 2018, 02:33:00 PM

Can you give us the definition of Anti Semitic?

From the Merriman-Webster dictionary: feeling or showing hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a cultural, racial, or ethnic group

From the Free Dictionary: One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews.

From the opening of the Wikipedia article regarding Anti-Semitism: Antisemitism (also spelled anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is hostility to, prejudice, or discrimination against Jews. A person who holds such positions is called an antisemite. Antisemitism is generally considered to be a form of racism.

In my opinion and a poll on RUA would most likely confirm this viewpoint that you are Anti-Semitic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 08, 2018, 07:55:29 AM

Well I just spent the first part of my morning reading the transcripts from last Friday's hearing in the Federal Court for the Eastern District of Virginia. KUDOS to Federal judge T.S.Ellis III who finally "gets it" regarding the Mueller investigation.

“You don’t really care about Mr. Manafort,” the judge said. “You really care about what information Mr. Manafort can give you to lead to Mr. Trump” and his eventual prosecution or impeachment.

This whole investigation has NOTHING to do with Russian involvement in our elections. It is about the "deep state" using the power of government to punish ANYONE who had anything to do with enabling an outsider to win the Presidency and to make the results so punitive and financially costly that people will think twice about becoming involved in a future campaign where that might happen again!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on May 08, 2018, 09:18:26 AM

The Judge should be dismissed - clearly not objective

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 08, 2018, 09:34:11 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 08, 2018, 07:49:50 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 07, 2018, 02:33:00 PM

Can you give us the definition of Anti Semitic?

From the Merriman-Webster dictionary: feeling or showing hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a cultural, racial, or ethnic group

From the Free Dictionary: One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews.

From the opening of the Wikipedia article regarding Anti-Semitism: Antisemitism (also spelled anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is hostility to, prejudice, or discrimination against Jews. A person who holds such positions is called an antisemite. Antisemitism is generally considered to be a form of racism.

In my opinion and a poll on RUA would most likely confirm this viewpoint that you are Anti-Semitic.

You refrained to answer to the first question....... ???

Using the Anti Semitic accusation you are wrong...... because:

You continue to FORGET or DELIBERATELY do not mentioned that the Israeli Jews are NOT Semites. I am, against the"Jews" and their actions in what is FALSELY called Israel. but I am not Anti-Semitic. as I support Palestinians, the TRUE SEMITES

Those "Jews" in Israhell, are KHAZARIAN Ashkenazi Converted Jews from mainly Europe, who have no ancestors from the Middle East. It is a requirement HAVING true ancestors from the Middle East for being Semitic and thus they have no NATURAL RIGHT to be in Palestine, no matter what name they use, for the STOLEN LAND they occupy.

The only SEMITES in Palestine are the Palestinians, whose ANCESTORS are SEMITES from Shem.

I try and bring this up time and time again, especially with the new "Anti-Semitic laws" in the UK. The governments and authorities generalise against us and demonise us all for criticism of the Israeli government's murderous antics and war-mongering, but we should be talking about being anti-Zionist or even better anti-Israel government.

The Greek philosopher "Aristotle" said:

To find out who rules you, find out who you can't criticize.

BTW "Stalin" was the first to offer you a place to create your own Republic... called "Birobidzhan", in Siberia......now only 1000 are left there.

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 08, 2018, 09:41:20 AM

Quote from: msmoby on May 08, 2018, 09:18:26 AM

The Judge should be dismissed - clearly not objective

I read the trial transcripts Moby. You couldn't be more wrong. The judge asked Mueller's lawyer what tax evasion charges in 2005 had to do with the Trump campaign and Russia in 2016? That is EXACTLY the right question to ask!

It's the same question that the Supreme Court is going to be asking when they eventually hear this case.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 08, 2018, 10:35:50 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 08, 2018, 09:41:20 AM

The judge asked Mueller's lawyer what tax evasion charges in 2005 had to do with the Trump campaign and Russia. That is EXACTLY the right question to ask!

Mueller's making sure someone "get's got".

Ultimately, any president absolutely needs "his guy" at AG and "his guy" at CIA (or DNI, now). Trump has neither, so the Deep State is fighting back. (Normally Trump *would* have "his guy" at AG, but Sessions had to nope out of the Investigation, and now Trump has the Mueller problem that he has.)

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on May 08, 2018, 11:01:06 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 08, 2018, 07:55:29 AM

This whole investigation has NOTHING to do with Russian involvement in our elections. It is about the "deep state" using the power of government to punish ANYONE who had anything to do with enabling an outsider to win the Presidency and to make the results so punitive and financially costly that people will think twice about becoming involved in a future campaign where that might happen again!

I agree with this

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 08, 2018, 12:06:53 PM

Quote from: msmoby on May 08, 2018, 09:18:26 AM

The Judge should be dismissed - clearly not objective

US Federal Judges are appointed by the president and confirmed by the
Senate for life. They aren't subject to peer review by Europeans.

Team Mueller has been rebuked by three different Federal judges. Obama
holdover Rosenstein has refused to give congress information that they
demanded.

There is no department of Justice in the Constitution. It is an executive
branch addition created by Congress, funded with taxpayer funds
appropriated by Congress, and subject to congressional oversight
to ensure that its operations are conducted in accordance with
their statutory purposes.

The congress can subpoena information from the justice department
and get it. Team Mueller & Rosenstein and the other Obama holdovers
haven't been playing by the rules.

Mueller Investigation In Jeopardy As "Witch Hunt" Accusations Play Out In Court
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-06/mueller-investigation-jeopardy-witch-hunt-accusations-play-out-court

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 08, 2018, 12:49:44 PM

Trump withdraws from the "Chamberlain-esque" Iraq Nuclear Deal.

Hopefully we can negotiate a better deal in the next 6 months.

I love what Trump is doing - I wish he didn't behave like such a scumbag while doing it . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on May 08, 2018, 01:07:21 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on May 08, 2018, 12:06:53 PM

US Federal Judges are appointed by the president and confirmed by the
Senate for life. They aren't subject to peer review by Europeans.

This coming from the guy who posts 'advice' re Brexit ? ;)

@Shakey

This is a judge who has ruled it is 'OK' to kidnap non US nationals on foreign soil - for 'reasons of national security'

"“In times of war, our country, chiefly through the executive branch, must often take exceptional steps to thwart the enemy,” Ellis said."

It's bad enough to have Russians treating the UK as an OK place to settle scores - without having the CIA feeling they can do as they please...

Manafort is WELL dodgy and has associated with WELL dodgy leaders ... One has to wonder if Judge Ellis isn't letting his political viewpoint get in the way of justice...

and mentioning "Chamberlain-esque" deals proves you don't know your history ... Chamberlain was playing for time and ordered massive increases in arms production and military projects, knowing war was inevitable

Your President is simply ending another wise agreement that make s the world a more dangerous place (

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 08, 2018, 01:12:44 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 08, 2018, 07:49:50 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 07, 2018, 02:33:00 PM

Can you give us the definition of Anti Semitic?

From the Merriman-Webster dictionary: feeling or showing hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a cultural, racial, or ethnic group

From the Free Dictionary: One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews.

From the opening of the Wikipedia article regarding Anti-Semitism: Antisemitism (also spelled anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is hostility to, prejudice, or discrimination against Jews. A person who holds such positions is called an antisemite. Antisemitism is generally considered to be a form of racism.

In my opinion and a poll on RUA would most likely confirm this viewpoint that you are Anti-Semitic.

Hey Einstein, was Jesus Christ an "anti-Semite"?

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Hey Einstein, are the Billions of Arabs "anti-Semitic"?

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Is anyone who doesn't like endless wars in the Middle East, provoked by the (((usual suspects))) also anti-Semitic?

The term "anti-Semitic" is a canard, a trick word thought up by Mossad, to stifle any discussion or debate in regards to Zionist activities. Anyone with a
modicum of common sense and a fully functioning brain can figure this out -- ie, are you as smart or smarter than the average 5th grader?

Webster is obviously edited by a Zionist Jew so no real information is to be had there, just the usual propaganda parroted by the masses, and those with "allot" of time on their hands. Wiz is mostly correct. Some have called the converted Kazar Ashkenazi's the 13th tribe.

Also from Wikipedia (certainly not a final authority, but a good starting place)

The Arabs are first mentioned in the mid-ninth century BCE as a tribal people in eastern and southern Syria, and the north of the Arabian Peninsula.[35] The Arabs appear to have been under the vassalage of the Neo-Assyrian Empire (911–612 BCE), and the succeeding Neo-Babylonian (626–539 BCE), Achaemenid (539–332 BCE), Seleucid and Parthian empires.[36] Arab tribes, most notably the Ghassanids and Lakhmids, begin to appear in the southern Syrian Desert from the mid 3rd century CE onward, during the mid to later stages of the Roman and Sasanian empires.[37] Tradition holds that Arabs descend from Ishmael, the son of Abraham.[38] The Arabian Desert is the birthplace of "Arab",[39] as well other Arab groups that spread in the land and existed for millennia.[40]

Before the expansion of the Rashidun Caliphate (632–661), "Arab" referred to any of the largely nomadic and settled Semitic people from the Arabian Peninsula, Syrian Desert, North and Lower Mesopotamia.[41]

Not finally, but are the Jews who agree with BDS also "anti-Semitic"? Is the Jew who wrote an article critical of the education system in Israel not teaching children about mass-murderer Genrikh Yagoda also anti-Semitic? Are the Jews who criticize Israel for heavy-handed military actions against the Palestinians and Lebanon, etc also anti-Semitic?

Anyone who claims that Jews are above criticism, above the law, above scrutiny and not to be held to the same standards as the rest of us, is anti-Human. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 08, 2018, 01:19:12 PM

Quote from: msmoby on May 08, 2018, 09:18:26 AM

The Judge should be dismissed - clearly not objective

This, from the troll of the Century. (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 08, 2018, 01:19:41 PM

Quote from: msmoby on May 08, 2018, 01:07:21 PM

This is a judge who has ruled it is 'OK' to kidnap non US nationals on foreign soil - for 'reasons of national security'
"“In times of war, our country, chiefly through the executive branch, must often take exceptional steps to thwart the enemy,” Ellis said."

The guy was a US citizen fighting for the Taliban. That's ok in my book.

Quote from: msmoby on May 08, 2018, 01:07:21 PM

and mentioning "Chamberlain-esque" deals proves you don't know your history ... Chamberlain was playing for time and ordered massive increases in arms production and military projects, knowing war was inevitable

Oh that is total horse shit. "peace in our time" and when the Germans knocked France out of the war advocated surrender. Just like Obama.

Quote from: msmoby on May 08, 2018, 01:07:21 PM

Your President is simply ending another wise agreement that make s the world a more dangerous place (

Our President is doing what any responsible leader would do to bring effective economic pressure to heel a despot government BEFORE they become a nuclear power.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 08, 2018, 01:24:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 08, 2018, 07:55:29 AM

Well I just spent the first part of my morning reading the transcripts from last Friday's hearing in the Federal Court for the Eastern District of Virginia. KUDOS to Federal judge T.S.Ellis III who finally "gets it" regarding the Mueller investigation.

“You don’t really care about Mr. Manafort,” the judge said. “You really care about what information Mr. Manafort can give you to lead to Mr. Trump” and his eventual prosecution or impeachment.

This whole investigation has NOTHING to do with Russian involvement in our elections. It is about the "deep state" using the power of government to punish ANYONE who had anything to do with enabling an outsider to win the Presidency and to make the results so punitive and financially costly that people will think twice about becoming involved in a future campaign where that might happen again!

Well said! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Trump would be a fool to agree to an interview with sewer-rat Mueller. Supreme Court here we come!!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 08, 2018, 02:05:10 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 08, 2018, 01:19:41 PM

Quote from: msmoby on May 08, 2018, 01:07:21 PM
Your President is simply ending another wise agreement that make s the world a more dangerous place (

Our President is doing what any responsible leader would do to bring effective economic pressure to heel a despot government BEFORE they become a nuclear power.

I have a question for you.

Which countries are part of the Iran agreement ... not to create atomic bombs in return for?????

Apart from the US and Iran, how many leaders have visited Trump lately?
USA - IRAN signed the agreement and also UK, Germany, France and Russia. Why all of them tried to change his mind?

Iran is following the agreement because wants to free $400 Billion that are freezed by the US sanctions in the US.

As they say... "follow the money".... look around to see .......

It appears that Netanyahu is pushing for a war with Iran..... that is why is attacking Hezbollah, only army that defeated Israhell army. and if the US start one... than it will spill over up to Pakistan. Oil prices are around $70 ......etc.

I hear that Turkey is out of the game......and soon the Syrian army will take over Afrin and stop Turkey supplying the terrorists.

Think about all these.

PS: Just watching BBC and all I said about IRAN Money....it is clearly spelled out! :)

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 08, 2018, 02:16:14 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 08, 2018, 02:05:10 PM

I have a question for you.

Which countries are part of the Iran agreement ... not to create atomic bombs in return for?????

Apart from the US and Iran, how many leaders have visited Trump lately?
USA - IRAN signed the agreement and also UK, Germany, France and Russia. Why all of them tried to change his mind?

Iran is following the agreement because wants to free $400 Billion that are freezed by the US sanctions in the US.

As they say... "follow the money".... look around to see .......

It appears that Netanyahu is pushing for a war with Iran..... that is why is attacking Hezbollah, only army that defeated Israhell army. and if the US start one... than it will spill over up to Pakistan. Oil prices are around $70 ......etc.

I hear that Turkey is out of the game......and soon the Syrian army will take over Afrin and stop Turkey supplying the terrorists.

Think about all these.

PS: Just watching BBC and all I said about IRAN Money....it is clearly spelled out! :)

They may be FOLLOWING the agreement but it was a horribly flawed agreement when it was executed. It was worse than Neville Champerlain's "peace in our time" agreement. If somebody would have had the courage to repudiate THAT agreement 10 or 20 million people might have been spared.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 08, 2018, 02:33:24 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 08, 2018, 02:16:14 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 08, 2018, 02:05:10 PM

I have a question for you.

Which countries are part of the Iran agreement ... not to create atomic bombs in return for?????

Apart from the US and Iran, how many leaders have visited Trump lately?
USA - IRAN signed the agreement and also UK, Germany, France and Russia. Why all of them tried to change his mind?

Iran is following the agreement because wants to free $400 Billion that are freezed by the US sanctions in the US.

As they say... "follow the money".... look around to see .......

It appears that Netanyahu is pushing for a war with Iran..... that is why is attacking Hezbollah, only army that defeated Israhell army. and if the US start one... than it will spill over up to Pakistan. Oil prices are around $70 ......etc.

I hear that Turkey is out of the game......and soon the Syrian army will take over Afrin and stop Turkey supplying the terrorists.

Think about all these.

PS: Just watching BBC and all I said about IRAN Money....it is clearly spelled out! :)

They may be FOLLOWING the agreement but it was a horribly flawed agreement when it was executed. It was worse than Neville Champerlain's "peace in our time" agreement. If somebody would have had the courage to repudiate THAT agreement 10 or 20 million people might have been spared.

Sorry but today is 2018 and you are missing the point..........I told you... Follow the money.

The only one celebrating is that criminal... Israhell PM, and watch the NY markets.

Boeing already is going to loose... $22 billions contract...... and also the Europeans.

The US economy is based in the defence industry and needs a kick start.

Pretty soon we will see the effects of his decision.

:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 08, 2018, 05:47:58 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 08, 2018, 02:33:24 PM

Sorry but today is 2018 and you are missing the point..........I told you... Follow the money.

The only one celebrating is that criminal... Israhell PM, and watch the NY markets.

Boeing already is going to loose... $22 billions contract...... and also the Europeans.

The US economy is based in the defence industry and needs a kick start.

Pretty soon we will see the effects of his decision.

Today is Tuesday the 8th of May. :'(

Will be curious to see what happens in the various world wide stock exchanges.

So there is a reference point today the:

1 USD = 0.842753 EUR or Euro 1 EUR = 1.18659 USD

1 USD = 0.737802 GBP British Pound 1 or GBP = 1.35538 USD

The Dow Jones is at 24,360.21 today it rose a fair bit today and has been seeing fluctuations.

Worth noting Boeing is at $338 per share. Also it has a major back log of orders unrelated to Iran

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 08, 2018, 07:09:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 08, 2018, 12:49:44 PM

Trump withdraws from the "Chamberlain-esque" Iraq Nuclear Deal.

Hopefully we can negotiate a better deal in the next 6 months.

I love what Trump is doing - I wish he didn't behave like such a scumbag while doing it . . . . . . . . .

I love what he is doing as well. The Democrats had Clinton, now we got
Trump. Worrying about it won't help your golf handicap.

Udachi!

Bill

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 08, 2018, 07:15:11 PM

Quote from: msmoby on May 08, 2018, 01:07:21 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on May 08, 2018, 12:06:53 PM

US Federal Judges are appointed by the president and confirmed by the
Senate for life. They aren't subject to peer review by Europeans.

This coming from the guy who posts 'advice' re Brexit ? ;)

What advice did I post on Brexit?

I posted my opinion that the sky wouldn't fall and why I thought so.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 08, 2018, 07:31:49 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 08, 2018, 02:05:10 PM

I have a question for you.

Which countries are part of the Iran agreement ... not to create atomic bombs in return for?????

Apart from the US and Iran, how many leaders have visited Trump lately?
USA - IRAN signed the agreement and also UK, Germany, France and Russia. Why all of them tried to change his mind?

Iran is following the agreement because wants to free $400 Billion that are freezed by the US sanctions in the US.

I can answer your questions.

Trump met with Marcon on Apr 24, 2018 and Merkel on Apr 27, 2018

Before the 1979 revolution, Iran’s shah had paid $400 million for American
military goods but, after he was overthrown, they were never delivered.
The clerics who seized control demanded the money back, but the United
States refused. The additional $1.3 billion is interest accumulated over
35 years.

Iran got their money and there was never $400 billion going to Iran.

The deal was never a treaty and was a dumb agreement that John Kerry
came up with. A deal that had no force of law for the USA the date that
Team Obama/Kerry left office because any president can just vacate it.

A treaty is ratified by the Senate and becomes the law of the land.
That never happened so Trump vacated the treaty.

They all tried to change Trump's mind because they wanted to trade
with Iran. They don't care if Iran is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism
in the world but we do.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 09, 2018, 12:21:10 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on May 08, 2018, 07:31:49 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 08, 2018, 02:05:10 PM

I have a question for you.

Which countries are part of the Iran agreement ... not to create atomic bombs in return for?????

Apart from the US and Iran, how many leaders have visited Trump lately?
USA - IRAN signed the agreement and also UK, Germany, France and Russia. Why all of them tried to change his mind?

Iran is following the agreement because wants to free $400 Billion that are freezed by the US sanctions in the US.

I can answer your questions.

Trump met with Marcon on Apr 24, 2018 and Merkel on Apr 27, 2018

Before the 1979 revolution, Iran’s shah had paid $400 million for American
military goods but, after he was overthrown, they were never delivered.
The clerics who seized control demanded the money back, but the United
States refused. The additional $1.3 billion is interest accumulated over
35 years.

Iran got their money and there was never $400 billion going to Iran.

The deal was never a treaty and was a dumb agreement that John Kerry
came up with. A deal that had no force of law for the USA the date that
Team Obama/Kerry left office because any president can just vacate it.

A treaty is ratified by the Senate and becomes the law of the land.
That never happened so Trump vacated the treaty.

They all tried to change Trump's mind because they wanted to trade
with Iran. They don't care if Iran is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism
in the world but we do.

During the Obama period the clerics received the majority of there money. It caused a minor ripple in the news when the US flew the greenbacks to Iran. (I guess some still prefer "Benjamins"). And yes Bill is correct it is one zero less than what Wiz is stating. But we are sort of used to the hyperbole and lies of Wiz.

The treaty which was never ratified by the the US Congress - Senate and it can be abandoned by the administration, which it in fact has now done. The majority of opinions from different vantage points were that it was a highly flawed agreement. Though stating that it was Chamberlainesque is perhaps going to far.

I guess in the end one can say so much for the 'legacy' of Obama.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on May 09, 2018, 01:02:05 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on May 08, 2018, 07:15:11 PM

Quote from: msmoby on May 08, 2018, 01:07:21 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on May 08, 2018, 12:06:53 PM

US Federal Judges are appointed by the president and confirmed by the
Senate for life. They aren't subject to peer review by Europeans.

This coming from the guy who posts 'advice' re Brexit ? ;)

What advice did I post on Brexit?

I posted my opinion that the sky wouldn't fall and why I thought so.

According to moby, anyone who doesn't see Brexit as a bad deal is out of his mind.

Even though there are multitudes of reasons why Brexit is good.

Mark.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on May 09, 2018, 02:35:03 AM

Quote from: Markje on May 09, 2018, 01:02:05 AM

According to moby, anyone who doesn't see Brexit as a bad deal is out of his mind.

Even though there are multitudes of reasons why Brexit is good.

Mark.

Markje,

given the job losses involved in the city of London, alone - you above statement is crass

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on May 09, 2018, 02:57:04 AM

Quote from: msmoby on May 09, 2018, 02:35:03 AM

Markje,

given the job losses involved in the city of London, alone - you above statement is crass

I keep hearing those kinds of swan-songs, yet the newspapers in Netherlands all keep telling me how the UK is booming business.

But some people did not vote because of economy, jobs.

- Full control of your own laws.
- Full control of your own borders.
- No foreign power supervision of how you conduct business.

Those are but a few.

I am getting very tired of hearing how our pensions are 'stolen' by the EU, because Netherlands had to sign away the trillion-euro fund-values , so now I am saving on my own as I no longer trust my pension-fund to keep it for me only.

And again thats only 1 example of why I don't like EU at all.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on May 09, 2018, 03:05:17 AM

Quote from: Markje on May 09, 2018, 02:57:04 AM

Quote from: msmoby on May 09, 2018, 02:35:03 AM
Markje,

given the job losses involved in the city of London, alone - you above statement is crass
I keep hearing those kinds of swan-songs, yet the newspapers in Netherlands all keep telling me how the UK is booming business.

But some people did not vote because of economy, jobs.

- Full control of your own laws.
- Full control of your own borders.
- No foreign power supervision of how you conduct business.

Those are but a few.

I am getting very tired of hearing how our pensions are 'stolen' by the EU, because Netherlands had to sign away the trillion-euro fund-values , so now I am saving on my own as I no longer trust my pension-fund to keep it for me only.

And again thats only 1 example of why I don't like EU at all.

It doesn't fit Moby's narrative so he only see's the EU as a paragon of hope & prosperity.

I'm sure we both agree that there are both benefits and drawbacks of being part of any organisation. Sadly any negative news coming our way and Moby blames it on Brexit.

We've had shed loads of negative news over the past 20 years yet I didn't him blaming it on EU membership. If he wants to be fair then dish it out both ways.

I know you get this Markje but I'm clinging on to a sliver of hope, that Moby see's the bigger picture. I wont hold my breath though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 09, 2018, 03:13:48 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 09, 2018, 12:21:10 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on May 08, 2018, 07:31:49 PM
Quote from: Wiz on May 08, 2018, 02:05:10 PM

I have a question for you.

Which countries are part of the Iran agreement ... not to create atomic bombs in return for?????

Apart from the US and Iran, how many leaders have visited Trump lately?
USA - IRAN signed the agreement and also UK, Germany, France and Russia. Why all of them tried to change his mind?

Iran is following the agreement because wants to free $400 Billion that are freezed by the US sanctions in the US.

I can answer your questions.

Trump met with Marcon on Apr 24, 2018 and Merkel on Apr 27, 2018

Before the 1979 revolution, Iran’s shah had paid $400 million for American
military goods but, after he was overthrown, they were never delivered.
The clerics who seized control demanded the money back, but the United
States refused. The additional $1.3 billion is interest accumulated over
35 years.

Iran got their money and there was never $400 billion going to Iran.

The deal was never a treaty and was a dumb agreement that John Kerry
came up with. A deal that had no force of law for the USA the date that
Team Obama/Kerry left office because any president can just vacate it.

A treaty is ratified by the Senate and becomes the law of the land.
That never happened so Trump vacated the treaty.

They all tried to change Trump's mind because they wanted to trade
with Iran. They don't care if Iran is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism
in the world but we do.

During the Obama period the clerics received the majority of there money. It caused a minor ripple in the news when the US flew the greenbacks to Iran. (I guess some still prefer "Benjamins"). And yes Bill is correct it is one zero less than what Wiz is stating. But we are sort of used to the hyperbole and lies of Wiz.

The treaty which was never ratified by the the US Congress - Senate and it can be abandoned by the administration, which it in fact has now done. The majority of opinions from different vantage points were that it was a highly flawed agreement. Though stating that it was Chamberlainesque is perhaps going to far.

I guess in the end one can say so much for the 'legacy' of Obama.

Billy

you have help.......to make sure I understand your message.

(http://animal-dream.com/data_images/parrot/parrot6.jpg)

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re:'brexit' ?
Post by: msmoby on May 09, 2018, 03:15:32 AM

Quote from: Markje on May 09, 2018, 02:57:04 AM

I keep hearing those kinds of swan-songs, yet the newspapers in Netherlands all keep telling me how the UK is booming business.

Funny how selective you are when it comes to your press ;)

May be you haven'ty attended conferences - as I have - where folks in Cyprus , Ireland and Germany discuss how Britain's folly is a golden opportunity to profit ....?

Quote from: Markje on May 09, 2018, 02:57:04 AM

But some people did not vote because of economy, jobs.

- Full control of your own laws.
- Full control of your own borders.
- No foreign power supervision of how you conduct business.

Those are but a few.

1/ Our law has evolved from Common Law and precedent and we have already agreed that EU laws will form the basis for our law - for the time being
2/ As long as Ireland has an open border with the UK - The CTA has been in operation for nearly 100 years - we have no had total control of our borders
3/ When you trade overseas - that is EXACTLY what your must comply with ... better to be in the biggest club - making the law - then complying, without influence

Quote from: Markje on May 09, 2018, 02:57:04 AM

I am getting very tired of hearing how our pensions are 'stolen' by the EU, because Netherlands had to sign away the trillion-euro fund-values , so now I am saving on my own as I no longer trust my pension-fund to keep it for me only.

And again thats only 1 example of why I don't like EU at all.

You SERIOUSLY think NL on her todd can control her borders ? You are what you are BECAUSE of your nation's location and financial savvy - plus multi-lingual abilities

Leaving the EU and it's failing - and BOY they exist - would be even more suicidal for NL than the UK

Title: Re: 'Brexit'
Post by: msmoby on May 09, 2018, 03:21:45 AM

Quote from: rosco on May 09, 2018, 03:05:17 AM

It doesn't fit Moby's narrative so he only see's the EU as a paragon of hope & prosperity.

Nonsense - std Rosco 'riposte' - baseless and devoid of fact / truth - I see much that is wrong with the current EU - including non auditing of accounts

Quote from: rosco on May 09, 2018, 03:05:17 AM

I'm sure we both agree that there are both benefits and drawbacks of being part of any organisation.

Quite..

Quote from: rosco on May 09, 2018, 03:05:17 AM

Sadly any negative news coming our way and Moby blames it on Brexit.

Hmm, you mean like when our govt / local authorities ' took control' and suddenly came down on all diesels - killed the market for the likes of LR/Jaguar - resulting in job losses due to lack of sales...

If THIS is what 'taking control' means - Gawd help us

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 09, 2018, 08:42:56 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 09, 2018, 03:13:48 AM

Billy

you have help.......to make sure I understand your message.

(http://animal-dream.com/data_images/parrot/parrot6.jpg)

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

:chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 09, 2018, 08:46:31 AM

When is the last time that the US congress or UK members
of Parliament burned a flag or shouted death to _________
enter any countries name here?

Iran lawmakers shout 'death to America,' burn U.S. flag after Trump nixes nuclear deal

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/05/09/trump-iran-nuclear-deal-withdrawal-fallout/593490002/

Title: Re: 'Brexit'
Post by: rosco on May 09, 2018, 09:59:44 AM

Quote from: msmoby on May 09, 2018, 03:21:45 AM

Quote from: rosco on May 09, 2018, 03:05:17 AM

It doesn't fit Moby's narrative so he only see's the EU as a paragon of hope & prosperity.

Nonsense - std Rosco 'riposte' - baseless and devoid of fact / truth - I see much that is wrong with the current EU - including non auditing of accounts

Quote from: rosco on May 09, 2018, 03:05:17 AM
I'm sure we both agree that there are both benefits and drawbacks of being part of any organisation.

Quite..

Quote from: rosco on May 09, 2018, 03:05:17 AM
Sadly any negative news coming our way and Moby blames it on Brexit.

Hmm, you mean like when our govt / local authorities ' took control' and suddenly came down on all diesels - killed the market for the likes of LR/Jaguar - resulting in job losses due to lack of sales...

If THIS is what 'taking control' means - Gawd help us

My response was intentionally devoid of fact or information because;

A) You still manage to argue and disagree with facts

B) I have no intention of wasting more time playing silly games with you

C) It was a post making observation rather than debate

I could go and pick holes in your last post with Markje but I would be waisting yet more precious time on someone more blinkered than Juncker & Tusk. You're completely bias when it comes to arguing against Brexit and you're unwilling to change your stance, even after you've been proven wrong. And that's on almost every topic with everyone.

No thank you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on May 09, 2018, 10:05:23 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on May 09, 2018, 08:46:31 AM

When is the last time that the US congress or UK members
of Parliament burned a flag or shouted death to _________
enter any countries name here?

Iran lawmakers shout 'death to America,' burn U.S. flag after Trump nixes nuclear deal

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/05/09/trump-iran-nuclear-deal-withdrawal-fallout/593490002/

This reaction in my opinion, only strengthens the argument to abandon the agreement.

Admittedly I wasn't up to speed with the agreement until last night and having done a bit of reading, I can see both sides of the argument. That said, an Iran with deeper pockets and a more dangerous military/proxy army will cause more trouble than an Iran sitting on half canned nukes.

The reaction seems to have shown the world, exactly who the real Iran was after the mask slipped. Any genuine country who felt aggrieved by Trumps decision would undoubtedly pursue a political route to get back on track. A mad, anti western, islamic government, with another agenda would do exactly what's been done, in my opinion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on May 09, 2018, 12:53:36 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 08, 2018, 02:33:24 PM

Boeing already is going to loose... $22 billions contract...... and also the Europeans.

Pretty soon we will see the effects of his decision.

Boeing and America did well for decades without Iran's business. We'll do fine again. Boeing has years worth of backlog orders so Iran won't be missed, they'll be replaced with another customer taking their spot in line. Airbus will also be affected by the renewed sanctions.

Trump was right about flaws in the agreement. Even European leaders he met recently agreed there were flaws and made an effort to help fix them but they didn't offer enough fixes. Trump may end up doing a better nuke agreement than Obama but haters will continue to hate instead of praise.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 09, 2018, 02:15:50 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 08, 2018, 02:33:24 PM

Sorry but today is 2018 and you are missing the point..........I told you... Follow the money.

The only one celebrating is that criminal... Israhell PM, and watch the NY markets.

Boeing already is going to loose... $22 billions contract...... and also the Europeans.

The US economy is based in the defence industry and needs a kick start.

Pretty soon we will see the effects of his decision.

:)

I agree with your analysis - to a point

However Europe won't be able to keep the agreement going by
itself although they may try.

The US sanctions include BANKS that do business with Iran.
To continue to do business in the world economy eventually
they will have to dismiss the agreement and reimpose
sanctions on Iran.

Or, they'll have to come together and pressure Iran to come up
with a new deal within the next 6 months that addresses all the
US concerns.

Trump is a clever little bugger. He's got everyone by the short hairs.

US stock market was up 185 points today :king:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 09, 2018, 02:46:52 PM

Trump Withdraws from Iran Nuclear Deal

(http://lago2.egroup.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/donal-trump.jpg)

There’s nothing “horrible” about the JCPOA deal, plenty awful about Trump pulling out.

His deplorable action came as expected – added proof that Washington can never be trusted.

Dealing with whatever regime is in power is hazardous, a lesson learned repeatedly over time, Tuesday the latest example – a day that will live in infamy like many others in US history.

World geopolitical conditions are now more precarious and hazardous than before – more unstable, risking US-led naked aggression against Iran, depending on how events unfold.

Trump’s withdrawal had nothing to do with “prevent(ing) an Iranian nuclear bomb,” as he falsely claimed – everything to do with escalating political and economic war on the Islamic Republic by reimposing nuclear-related sanctions, new ones to come, notably targeting its energy, petrochemical and financial sectors.

Trump lied saying the JCPOA “allowed Iran to continue enriching uranium and over time reach the brink of a nuclear breakout.”

He lied again claiming “we have definitive proof that this Iranian promise was a lie.”

In its annual assessments of Iran, Washington’s intelligence community cites no evidence of a military component in Tehran’s nuclear program – or anything suggest it seeks one.

Read more Here (http://stephenlendman.org/2018/05/trump-withdraws-iran-nuclear-deal/)

Iran Isn’t Violating the JCPOA Nuclear Agreement — America Is

(https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.3451787.1522942140!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg)

On Monday 30 April 2018, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gave his most grandiose anti-Iranian performance to date, revealing what he believed was direct proof that Iran “lied” about its nuclear program. This isn’t the first time Netanyahu has overhyped the threat of Iran’s non-existent nuclear weapons program. He has been crying wolf over Iran since as far back as 1992.

The aim of this performance is to cast doubt on the efficacy of the Iranian nuclear accord signed in 2015, officially known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), which U.S. President Donald Trump has long intended to completely derail. Netanyahu, of course, is totally on board with this goal.

Following Netanyahu’s speech, the White House released a statement of its own, saying Israel’s intelligence confirms what the U.S. had already known — that

“Iran has a robust, clandestine nuclear weapons program that it has tried and failed to hide from the world.”

Not long after, the White House issued a second statement that changed the word “has” to “had,” appearing to suggest that Iran no longer possesses a nuclear weapons program. However, a White House official later explained to NBC News that the wrong tense was the result of a “clerical error.”

Read More Here (https://www.globalresearch.ca/iran-isnt-violating-the-jcpoa-nuclear-agreement-america-is/5639055)

BTW After last nights announcement by Trump .... this morning Benjamin Netanyahu was in Moscow watching the great Parade and obviously is going to speak with Putin........ ???

2tallbill

Take a read on this document......

https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/03.17.16-DOS-Response-Concerns-re-1.7-Billion-Payout-to-Iran.pdf

That is the current state of affairs in the "Dallas ...err .... Trump soap opera"

It is my view that the Mafia President Trump is going after every action/Law or agreement made by the previous President Obama..... and then with small changes is signing the same similar action/agreement as Obama.

I am sure you must have noticed that is careful not to upset Russia.... and Putin does the same!

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 09, 2018, 02:56:20 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2018, 02:15:50 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 08, 2018, 02:33:24 PM

Sorry but today is 2018 and you are missing the point..........I told you... Follow the money.

The only one celebrating is that criminal... Israhell PM, and watch the NY markets.

Boeing already is going to loose... $22 billions contract...... and also the Europeans.

The US economy is based in the defence industry and needs a kick start.

Pretty soon we will see the effects of his decision.

:)

I agree with your analysis - to a point

However Europe won't be able to keep the agreement going by
itself although they may try.

The US sanctions include BANKS that do business with Iran.
To continue to do business in the world economy eventually
they will have to dismiss the agreement and reimpose
sanctions on Iran.

Or, they'll have to come together and pressure Iran to come up
with a new deal within the next 6 months that addresses all the
US concerns.

Trump is a clever little bugger. He's got everyone by the short hairs.

US stock market was up 185 points today :king:

It is my view that he is trying to replace the Obama name.... with his own.....after small changes.

Usual reaction from the speculators..... in the markets casinos..... to make money.

The oil prices gone over $70 ... and Putin is smiling!

;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 09, 2018, 03:02:59 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 09, 2018, 02:46:52 PM

It is my view that the Mafia President Trump is going after every action/Law or agreement made by the previous President Obama.....

That's EXACTLY what we elected him to do.

REVERSE EVERYTHING Obama accomplished.

It's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 10, 2018, 07:01:51 AM

No, it is a very bad thing for your country. As a nation and state you and your fellow citizens can flourish only under conditions whereby rule of law and stability prevail. That applies even if you don't like or agree with what you have.

When nothing implemented by one government can be expected to last for longer than the life of that government then the state will become powerless and the nation ungovernable.

It has been clear that the United States has been moving toward ungovernability. The process seems to be accelerating.

Here's the thing. A government is temporary but its purpose is to represent all of the people as components of the state. The state is not temporary. When the state and government have the same lifespan then there is no state. Kinda like what happened in Ukraine. At the point at which the legitimate government was deposed then the old state ended and a new one began. That was great for some people, but not for most because a new state means that all previous liabilities and responsibilities can be repudiated.

The government has a responsibility to enabling continuity between one government and the next.

On global terms a lack of continuity of the state contributes to a condition that the Russians call 'non-agreement capable'. A condition whereby there is no possibility to have an agreement because the party simply can not make an agreement that can be relied upon.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 10, 2018, 08:44:04 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 10, 2018, 07:01:51 AM

No, it is a very bad thing for your country. As a nation and state you and your fellow citizens can flourish only under conditions whereby rule of law and stability prevail. That applies even if you don't like or agree with what you have.

When nothing implemented by one government can be expected to last for longer than the life of that government then the state will become powerless and the nation ungovernable.

I agree with you to a point. But in the final analysis, it is a good thing;
a VERY good thing.

Your comments omit the FACT that the Obama administration did NOT follow
proper channels when making this agreement. The issue CLEARLY required a
treaty as defined by US law - and so according to our laws, treaties require
2/3 affirmative vote by the US Senate for ratification AND so ratified are binding
on future administrations.

This never happened.

Why didn't Obama do this? Because he knew the Senate would NEVER ratify
such a poorly drafted, one sided treaty. So rather than take the difficult path
of building consensus to get a Constitutionally required treaty passed, he decided
to use his "phone and pen" and execute the agreement on his own authority or
decree via the US State Department. Accordingly, as with everything else he
accomplished in this manner; and like all other "executive order" weight actions,
it is subject to repudiation or revision at the discretion of the next administration.

The man was elected President; not crowned king.

Because he was lazy, so ideologically and politically out-of-step with the general
population and wanted fast progressive result rather than building consensus, virtually
everything he was able to force down the throats of the American people during
his eight disastrous years in office will eventually be reversed. Accordingly, in the
future, legitimate historians will accurately regard him as one of the 5 worst Presidents
in our nations history - right along with Buchanan, Harding, Andrew Johnson, Pierce
and Fillmore.

It is very sad that our first Afro-American President will be judged in history
as the most inept, corrupt, wasteful, subversive, destructive and divisive
President ever. A man twice elected because of the color of his skin rather
than the contents of his character.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 10, 2018, 09:13:51 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 10, 2018, 07:01:51 AM

No, it is a very bad thing for your country. As a nation and state you and your fellow citizens can flourish only under conditions whereby rule of law and stability prevail. That applies even if you don't like or agree with what you have.

When nothing implemented by one government can be expected to last for longer than the life of that government then the state will become powerless and the nation ungovernable.

It has been clear that the United States has been moving toward ungovernability. The process seems to be accelerating.

Here's the thing. A government is temporary but its purpose is to represent all of the people as components of the state. The state is not temporary. When the state and government have the same lifespan then there is no state. Kinda like what happened in Ukraine. At the point at which the legitimate government was deposed then the old state ended and a new one began. That was great for some people, but not for most because a new state means that all previous liabilities and responsibilities can be repudiated.

I can see where Andrew is coming from. There is though a clear process and procedure for the congress (Senate) of the United States to ratify a treaty negotiated by the President. In the United States it is called checks and balances.

This never happened during the Obama period. BECAUSE THE JCPOA was never framed as a treaty. After negative votes in both houses there was not enough votes to override the Presidents signature. From my standpoint Obama in a clever or sneaky way (depending on viewpoint) circumvented the Congress with this "agreement".

I suspect the bigger question is can Trump negotiate a 'better' deal?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 10, 2018, 09:18:53 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2018, 03:02:59 PM

That's EXACTLY what we elected him to do.

REVERSE EVERYTHING Obama accomplished.

It's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.

I am reminded that the question of whether or not the opinions of Europeans w/r/t how we govern ourselves was take up some 234 years ago.

It was decided in the negative.

Meanwhile, it seems we should starts saying our goodbyes to our European friends....I expect within the span of a couple of generations, if it takes even that long, their nations will be unrecognizable. The only question that remains is which of their states shall declare itself an Islamic Republic first. 'Tis a pity that they don't have a 2nd Amendment protecting their RKBA, and will simply convert or be slaughtered....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 10, 2018, 09:21:08 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 10, 2018, 09:13:51 AM

I suspect the bigger question is can Trump negotiate a 'better' deal?

As a guy who negotiates for a living, I can advise that, sometimes, "no deal" is better than what's on the table. In any negotiation, each side should know what it's "BATNA" - "Best Alternative To a Negotiated Agreement" - is.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 10, 2018, 07:50:16 PM

Quote from: B.B. on May 10, 2018, 09:18:53 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2018, 03:02:59 PM
That's EXACTLY what we elected him to do.

REVERSE EVERYTHING Obama accomplished.

It's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.

I am reminded that the question of whether or not the opinions of Europeans w/r/t how we govern ourselves was take up some 234 years ago.

It was decided in the negative.

Meanwhile, it seems we should starts saying our goodbyes to our European friends....I expect within the span of a couple of generations, if it takes even that long, their nations will be unrecognizable. The only question that remains is which of their states shall declare itself an Islamic Republic first. 'Tis a pity that they don't have a 2nd Amendment protecting their RKBA, and will simply convert or be slaughtered....

B/B

As you know I've been saying this for the past year...

It's truly sad that guys like Rosco cannot see the writing on the wall. He's in the north of the U.K. in Scotland as I recall and if any area of the U.K. has a good chance of not becoming part of an Islamic caliphate it would be Scotland.

Doesn't change the fact though that the English and the Irish and the Scots fought a war against the tyranny of Nazi Germany only to be facing an even more insidious tyranny -- that of weak politicians who sold their country out.

PS. What is RKBA?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 10, 2018, 08:00:11 PM

Quote from: shakespear on May 10, 2018, 08:44:04 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 10, 2018, 07:01:51 AM
No, it is a very bad thing for your country. As a nation and state you and your fellow citizens can flourish only under conditions whereby rule of law and stability prevail. That applies even if you don't like or agree with what you have.

When nothing implemented by one government can be expected to last for longer than the life of that government then the state will become powerless and the nation ungovernable.

I agree with you to a point. But in the final analysis, it is a good thing;
a VERY good thing.

Your comments omit the FACT that the Obama administration did NOT follow
proper channels when making this agreement. The issue CLEARLY required a
treaty as defined by US law - and so according to our laws, treaties require
2/3 affirmative vote by the US Senate for ratification AND so ratified are binding
on future administrations.

This never happened.

Why didn't Obama do this? Because he knew the Senate would NEVER ratify
such a poorly drafted, one sided treaty. So rather than take the difficult path
of building consensus to get a Constitutionally required treaty passed, he decided
to use his "phone and pen" and execute the agreement on his own authority or
decree via the US State Department. Accordingly, as with everything else he
accomplished in this manner; and like all other "executive order" weight actions,
it is subject to repudiation or revision at the discretion of the next administration.

The man was elected President; not crowned king.

Because he was lazy, so ideologically and politically out-of-step with the general
population and wanted fast progressive result rather than building consensus, virtually
everything he was able to force down the throats of the American people during
his eight disastrous years in office will eventually be reversed. Accordingly, in the
future, legitimate historians will accurately regard him as one of the 5 worst Presidents
in our nations history - right along with Buchanan, Harding, Andrew Johnson, Pierce
and Fillmore.

It is very sad that our first Afro-American President will be judged in history
as the most inept, corrupt, wasteful, subversive, destructive and divisive
President ever. A man twice elected because of the color of his skin rather
than the contents of his character.

I agree with everything you just wrote except I would drop one of the 5 you chose above and replace it with Bush Jr. By far the most corrupt and treasonous "President" who was behind the 9/11 attacks -- clearly an inside job. He wasted at least a Trillion dollars on overseas wars as well as all the lives lost or permanently damaged.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 10, 2018, 08:32:56 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on May 08, 2018, 07:31:49 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 08, 2018, 02:05:10 PM

I have a question for you.

Which countries are part of the Iran agreement ... not to create atomic bombs in return for?????

Apart from the US and Iran, how many leaders have visited Trump lately?
USA - IRAN signed the agreement and also UK, Germany, France and Russia. Why all of them tried to change his mind?

Iran is following the agreement because wants to free $400 Billion that are freezed by the US sanctions in the US.

I can answer your questions.

Trump met with Marcon on Apr 24, 2018 and Merkel on Apr 27, 2018

Before the 1979 revolution, Iran’s shah had paid $400 million for American
military goods but, after he was overthrown, they were never delivered.
The clerics who seized control demanded the money back, but the United
States refused. The additional $1.3 billion is interest accumulated over
35 years.

Iran got their money and there was never $400 billion going to Iran.

The deal was never a treaty and was a dumb agreement that John Kerry
came up with. A deal that had no force of law for the USA the date that
Team Obama/Kerry left office because any president can just vacate it.

A treaty is ratified by the Senate and becomes the law of the land.
That never happened so Trump vacated the treaty.

They all tried to change Trump's mind because they wanted to trade
with Iran. They don't care if Iran is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism
in the world but we do.

Could you please define terrorism? Do you mean like this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/kd.html

Or perhaps you mean the horrific terrorist attack on the USS Liberty?

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/06/fifty-years-later-nsa-keeps-details-of-israels-uss-liberty-attack-secret/

Or perhaps you mean the ultimate act of terror, the intentional planting of high tech explosives in the twin towers?

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 11, 2018, 12:25:25 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 10, 2018, 07:50:16 PM

PS. What is RKBA?

RKBA = Right to keep and bear arms.

The sort of thing that comes in handy if a group of muzzies decide to rape children and the police come down with some horrible brain-wasting disease where they can't do anything to stop it because PC fcuktards would call them "RACISTS!" and use other 'hurtful words'.

So yes, we can never give up our guns.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 05:53:44 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 11, 2018, 12:25:25 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 10, 2018, 07:50:16 PM
PS. What is RKBA?

RKBA = Right to keep and bear arms.

The sort of thing that comes in handy if a group of muzzies decide to rape children and the police come down with some horrible brain-wasting disease where they can't do anything to stop it because PC fcuktards would call them "RACISTS!" and use other 'hurtful words'.

So yes, we can never give up our guns.

B/B

It is clear that some people over the pont forget that they are a country created by immigrants from all over the world.

USA is a very Democratic country who has the need and the right to invade other countries and impose their Democratic ideals while they are destroying everything on the way and killing millions of people.

Let's remember that USA is an exceptional country and was the first and only one who has used the Atomic bombs and killed Millions in 3 days, without consulting its allies.

In this great Democracy where only the Mafia law rules, the number of people killed by the police is growing on a daily basis.

Of course the American people have the right to bear guns and kill each other, as the Private prisons need to have many clients. Too many examples to write here.....

What I find laughable is some of our American friends have the audacity to lecture us about Democracy, multicultural societies and alot more.

May I remind you that the US today is run by the representative of Don Corleone, follow instructions from the PM of a terrorist country and is run by the 0.01% of the population who holds the leavers of power in every economical sphere and administration of your Empire.

(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1001/89/1600/Davidstern.jpg)

Who will DESCEND into the Abyss?…
…that is, to bring Christ UP from the dead.

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on May 11, 2018, 08:16:14 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 05:53:44 AM

Let's remember that USA is an exceptional country and was the first and only one who has used the Atomic bombs and killed Millions in 3 days, without consulting its allies.

Someone desperately needs a history lesson.

COMBINED deaths for both bombs dropped by the US was
about 250,000, not millions.

And let's not forget Pearl Harbor and the suffering of thousands
of our POW's for 4 years at the hands of their brutal Japanese
captors. The Japanese had it coming . . . . . . . . . .

Further, Operation Downfall (the invasion of Japan) was estimated
to cost the US 1.2 million battle casualties and estimated to cost the
Japanese between 3-5 million military and civilian casualties.

All factors considered, I'd say Truman made the right choice to use
the atom bomb and MINIMIZE total casualties while bringing the
conflict to a quick conclusion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 11, 2018, 08:57:56 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 11, 2018, 08:16:14 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 05:53:44 AM
Let's remember that USA is an exceptional country and was the first and only one who has used the Atomic bombs and killed Millions in 3 days, without consulting its allies.

Someone desperately needs a history lesson.

COMBINED deaths for both bombs dropped by the US was
about 250,000, not millions.

And let's not forget Pearl Harbor and the suffering of thousands
of our POW's for 4 years at the hands of their brutal Japanese
captors. The Japanese had it coming . . . . . . . . . .

Further, Operation Downfall (the invasion of Japan) was estimated
to cost the US 1.2 million battle casualties and estimated to cost the
Japanese between 3-5 million military and civilian casualties.

All factors considered, I'd say Truman made the right choice to use
the atom bomb and MINIMIZE total casualties while bringing the
conflict to a quick conclusion.

Not an easy choice to make but clearly one that saved lives overall.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on May 11, 2018, 09:53:19 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 10, 2018, 07:50:16 PM

Quote from: B.B. on May 10, 2018, 09:18:53 AM
Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2018, 03:02:59 PM
That's EXACTLY what we elected him to do.

REVERSE EVERYTHING Obama accomplished.

It's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.

I am reminded that the question of whether or not the opinions of Europeans w/r/t how we govern ourselves was take up some 234 years ago.

It was decided in the negative.

Meanwhile, it seems we should starts saying our goodbyes to our European friends....I expect within the span of a couple of generations, if it takes even that long, their nations will be unrecognizable. The only question that remains is which of their states shall declare itself an Islamic Republic first. 'Tis a pity that they don't have a 2nd Amendment protecting their RKBA, and will simply convert or be slaughtered....

B/B

As you know I've been saying this for the past year...

It's truly sad that guys like Rosco cannot see the writing on the wall. He's in the north of the U.K. in Scotland as I recall and if any area of the U.K. has a good chance of not becoming part of an Islamic caliphate it would be Scotland.

Doesn't change the fact though that the English and the Irish and the Scots fought a war against the tyranny of Nazi Germany only to be facing an even more insidious tyranny -- that of weak politicians who sold their country out.

PS. What is RKBA?

To be fair, I can see whats going on and I couldn't live south of the border in the more 'diverse' communities, even if you paid me a kings ransom.

The truth is however, these hell holes are few and far between and some of the reporting of the general problems are exaggerated. It's usually a small mob of islamic nutters making a scene in Londonstan that hits the news. Throw in the black on black knife crime and we have the UK in crisis.

Am I appalled at the muslim grooming gangs and the like.....you f*ckin better believe it. Can I see any of that stuff going on in the world I live in.....not a bit.

If it were to happen up my neck of the woods, in front of the people, I can guarantee that you would see the rebellious Scots in action all over again. I'm surprised it was able to happen under peoples noses down south but guns wouldn't have prevented it. It was the lack of acknowledgement, the cover ups and the general under the radar nature that led to those crimes happening.

Don't think for one minute that people sat in their houses shrugging their shoulders. You can't kick off at something you don't know about.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 11, 2018, 10:09:55 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 11, 2018, 12:25:25 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 10, 2018, 07:50:16 PM
PS. What is RKBA?

RKBA = Right to keep and bear arms.

The sort of thing that comes in handy if a group of muzzies decide to rape children and the police come down with some horrible brain-wasting disease where they can't do anything to stop it because PC fcuktards would call them "RACISTS!" and use other 'hurtful words'.

So yes, we can never give up our guns.

B/B

Agree 100% that these rights are intrinsic to being American.

However we can certainly keep arms, yet if it’s a liberal city in a progressive state with the prog disease, bearing arms to defend oneself in the public square can result in a prison sentence, as Mike Strickland found out.

We’re supposed to have a right to peaceful assembly but in reality Antifa and other thugs can shut it down if it doesn’t meet their litmus test.

We’re supposed to have a right to freedom of association yet those rights were lost 50 years ago.

Here’s a link about the Strickland case:

https://foac-pac.org/Portland-Crime-Of-Self-defense-Case-Mike-Strickland-Update/News-Item/7071

On July 7, 2016, the same day that a BLM supporter murdered 5 police officers in Dallas, Strickland was videoing a PDX-Black Lives Matter protest in downtown Portland. He was recognized by some of the protesters, and a group of them converged on him, pushing and threatening him. Organizers admitted during the trial that Strickland's likely presence had been discussed before the event, and it had been decided that if they saw him there, they would make him leave or make him regret not doing so.As the group closed on him, Strickland began backing away, asserting his right to be there and to record video, but the group got more aggressive and threatening, to the point that Strickland raised his shirt and placed his hand on his legally carried pistol. This created a pause in the assault, but it was only momentary. The crowd continued to close and Strickland continued to back away.The men Strickland was facing had seen his sidearm. They knew he had the gun and had heard him warn that he would use it, yet they continued to press. One of the prime instigators, an overweight Antifa activist who Strickland had had run-ins with in the past, circled around and tried to close on Strickland's left flank. At the same time, some in the main group began to aggressively surge forward. That's when Strickland drew the gun, turning first toward the Antifa guy rapidly closing on his left flank, then back toward the main body of aggressors.At no point did Strickland actually point the gun at anyone though, instead keeping it in a low-ready position, with his finger clearly indexed outside the trigger guard, he ordered the aggressors to “Back off.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 11, 2018, 10:23:46 AM

Quote from: rosco on May 11, 2018, 09:53:19 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 10, 2018, 07:50:16 PM
Quote from: B.B. on May 10, 2018, 09:18:53 AM
Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2018, 03:02:59 PM
That's EXACTLY what we elected him to do.

REVERSE EVERYTHING Obama accomplished.

It's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.

I am reminded that the question of whether or not the opinions of Europeans w/r/t how we govern ourselves was take up some 234 years ago.

It was decided in the negative.

Meanwhile, it seems we should starts saying our goodbyes to our European friends....I expect within the span of a couple of generations, if it takes even that long, their nations will be unrecognizable. The only question that remains is which of their states shall declare itself an Islamic Republic first. 'Tis a pity that they don't have a 2nd Amendment protecting their RKBA, and will simply convert or be slaughtered....

B/B

As you know I've been saying this for the past year...

It's truly sad that guys like Rosco cannot see the writing on the wall. He's in the north of the U.K. in Scotland as I recall and if any area of the U.K. has a good chance of not becoming part of an Islamic caliphate it would be Scotland.

Doesn't change the fact though that the English and the Irish and the Scots fought a war against the tyranny of Nazi Germany only to be facing an even more insidious tyranny -- that of weak politicians who sold their country out.

PS. What is RKBA?

To be fair, I can see whats going on and I couldn't live south of the border in the more 'diverse' communities, even if you paid me a kings ransom.

The truth is however, these hell holes are few and far between and some of the reporting of the general problems are exaggerated. It's usually a small mob of islamic nutters making a scene in Londonstan that hits the news. Throw in the black on black knife crime and we have the UK in crisis.

Am I appalled at the muslim grooming gangs and the like.....you f*ckin better believe it. Can I see any of that stuff going on in the world I live in.....not a bit.

If it were to happen up my neck of the woods, in front of the people, I can guarantee that you would see the rebellious Scots in action all over again. I'm surprised it was able to happen under peoples noses down south but guns wouldn't have prevented it. It was the lack of acknowledgement, the cover ups and the general under the radar nature that led to those crimes happening.

Don't think for one minute that people sat in their houses shrugging their shoulders. You can't kick off at something you don't know about.

I very much admire the rebellious nature of the Scots which is why I mentioned you being the one area of the U.K. which would likely resist any sort of Islamic Caliphate to the bitter end.

However you seem to have lost some freedom of speech due to the PC disease iirc heard about a guy given jail for teaching his dog a Nazi salute.

For sure the media exaggerates yet you couldn’t pay me a Kings ransom to live in London either.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 10:43:15 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 11, 2018, 08:16:14 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 05:53:44 AM
Let's remember that USA is an exceptional country and was the first and only one who has used the Atomic bombs and killed ~~Millions~~ 250,000 in 3 days, without consulting its allies.

Someone desperately needs a history lesson.

COMBINED deaths for both bombs dropped by the US was
about 250,000, not millions.

The real mortality of the atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan will never be known. The destruction and overwhelming chaos made orderly counting impossible. It is not unlikely that the estimates of killed and wounded in Hiroshima (150,000) and Nagasaki (75,000) are over conservative, without taking into consideration the Radiation effects to people etc.

Ok Shakes ... you took the bate....with my deliberate "Millions" statement but you missed the sting in the tale: USA cannot be trusted by its allies!...... I wonder why the European countries are still members of NATO, especially after the latest twists about Jerusalem and action against Iran, by the Mafia president?

UK does not need the US to survive or prosper..... where the US needs the UK for reliable intel info......to suit its interests. I was listening to Merkel today and realised that Germany want out of that capitulation agreement of 1947 which keep them as a US Vassal till 2099. Germany is financially strong enough to be act independently.

It is pretty clear to all Europeans that Russia will never invade or use atomic bombs against any European nation. Its commercial interests are very important for the Russian economy, only Germany using Russian Gas....pay around $400 Billions a year.

The Tavrida (Crimea) move by Russia was a preemptive strategic move against the USA plans to take it over and create a forward post for it's rockets in the underbelly of Russia. REM Russia had an agreement for the bases until 2044 and Tavrida(its proper name) was always historically a Russian Part. With that move... Putin shafted a huge donkey :censored: up your back side and it's hurting a lot!! Get used to it..... :laugh:

As you have not answered any other comment of mine.... I will stop here and go for fresh air and coffee in the garden....

tiphat

Confed...

Shalom shalom..

;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 10:53:00 AM

Quote from: rosco on May 11, 2018, 09:53:19 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 10, 2018, 07:50:16 PM
Quote from: B.B. on May 10, 2018, 09:18:53 AM
Quote from: shakespear on May 09, 2018, 03:02:59 PM
That's EXACTLY what we elected him to do.

REVERSE EVERYTHING Obama accomplished.

It's a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.

I am reminded that the question of whether or not the opinions of Europeans w/r/t how we govern ourselves was take up some 234 years ago.

It was decided in the negative.

Meanwhile, it seems we should starts saying our goodbyes to our European friends....I expect within the span of a couple of generations, if it takes even that long, their nations will be unrecognizable. The only question that remains is which of their states shall declare itself an Islamic Republic first. 'Tis a pity that they don't have a 2nd Amendment protecting their RKBA, and will simply convert or be slaughtered....

B/B

As you know I've been saying this for the past year...

It's truly sad that guys like Rosco cannot see the writing on the wall. He's in the north of the U.K. in Scotland as I recall and if any area of the U.K. has a good chance of not becoming part of an Islamic caliphate it would be Scotland.

Doesn't change the fact though that the English and the Irish and the Scots fought a war against the tyranny of Nazi Germany only to be facing an even more insidious tyranny -- that of weak politicians who sold their country out.

PS. What is RKBA?

To be fair, I can see whats going on and I couldn't live south of the border in the more 'diverse' communities, even if you paid me a kings ransom.

The truth is however, these hell holes are few and far between and some of the reporting of the general problems are exaggerated. It's usually a small mob of islamic nutters making a scene in Londonstan that hits the news. Throw in the black on black knife crime and we have the UK in crisis.

Am I appalled at the muslim grooming gangs and the like.....you f*ckin better believe it. Can I see any of that stuff going on in the world I live in.....not a bit.

If it were to happen up my neck of the woods, in front of the people, I can guarantee that you would see the rebellious Scots in action all over again. I'm surprised it was able to happen under peoples noses down south but guns wouldn't have prevented it. It was the lack of acknowledgement, the cover ups and the general under the radar nature that led to those crimes happening.

Don't think for one minute that people sat in their houses shrugging their shoulders. You can't kick off at something you don't know about.

:thumbsup:

Well said Rosco .... where I live .....town of 30.000 people.... I don't see any coloured faces except an old Indian guy with a dog walking!

It's Mrs TM who closed Police stations and retired 20.000 policemen. >:(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 10:58:21 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 11, 2018, 10:09:55 AM

Quote from: B.B. on May 11, 2018, 12:25:25 AM
Quote from: Confederate on May 10, 2018, 07:50:16 PM
PS. What is RKBA?

RKBA = Right to keep and bear arms.

The sort of thing that comes in handy if a group of muzzies decide to rape children and the police come down with some horrible brain-wasting disease where they can't do anything to stop it because PC fcuktards would call them "RACISTS!" and use other 'hurtful words'.

So yes, we can never give up our guns.

B/B

Agree 100% that these rights are intrinsic to being American.

However we can certainly keep arms, yet if it’s a liberal city in a progressive state with the prog disease, bearing arms to defend oneself in the public square can result in a prison sentence, as Mike Strickland found out.

We’re supposed to have a right to peaceful assembly but in reality Antifa and other thugs can shut it down if it doesn’t meet their litmus test.

We’re supposed to have a right to freedom of association yet those rights were lost 50 years ago.

Read the history of the 1st May celebrations in the US...... around 1897....to see you brutal state..........

:( (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 11, 2018, 11:06:31 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 10:43:15 AM

Quote from: shakespear on May 11, 2018, 08:16:14 AM
Quote from: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 05:53:44 AM
Let's remember that USA is an exceptional country and was the first and only one who has used the Atomic bombs and killed Millions 250,000 in 3 days, without consulting its allies.

Someone desperately needs a history lesson.

COMBINED deaths for both bombs dropped by the US was
about 250,000, not millions.

The real mortality of the atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan will never be known. The destruction and overwhelming chaos made orderly counting impossible. It is not unlikely that the estimates of killed and wounded in Hiroshima (150,000) and Nagasaki (75,000) are over conservative, without taking into consideration the Radiation effects to people etc.

Ok Shakes ... you took the bate....with my deliberate "Millions" statement but you missed the sting in the tale: USA cannot be trusted by its allies!...... I wonder why the European countries are still members of NATO, especially after the latest twists about Jerusalem and action against Iran, by the Mafia president?

UK does not need the US to survive or prosper..... where the US needs the UK for reliable intel info......to suit its interests. I was listening to Merkel today and realised that Germany want out of that capitulation agreement of 1947 which keep them as a US Vassal till 2099. Germany is financially strong enough to be act independently.

It is pretty clear to all Europeans that Russia will never invade or use atomic bombs against any European nation. Its commercial interests are very important for the Russian economy, only Germany using Russian Gas....pay around $400 Billions a year.

The Tavrida (Crimea) move by Russia was a preemptive strategic move against the USA plans to take it over and create a forward post for it's rockets in the underbelly of Russia. REM Russia had an agreement for the bases until 2044 and Tavrida (its proper name) was always historically a Russian Part. With that move... Putin shafted a huge donkey :censored: up your back side and it's hurting a lot!! Get used to it..... :laugh:

Wiz, I can only cry at your lack of knowledge and history. If certain countries did not have an ally in The United States those countries would now be speaking Russian or German.

Quote from: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 10:43:15 AM

As you have not answered any other comment of mine.... I will stop here and go for fresh air and coffee in the garden....

There is no obligation to reply or answer to a comment. But feel free to stay in the garden for a long time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 11:15:16 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 11, 2018, 11:06:31 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 10:43:15 AM
Quote from: shakespear on May 11, 2018, 08:16:14 AM
Quote from: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 05:53:44 AM
Let's remember that USA is an exceptional country and was the first and only one who has used the Atomic bombs and killed Millions 250,000 in 3 days, without consulting its allies.

Someone desperately needs a history lesson.

COMBINED deaths for both bombs dropped by the US was
about 250,000, not millions.

The real mortality of the atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan will never be known. The destruction and overwhelming chaos made orderly counting impossible. It is not unlikely that the estimates of killed and wounded in Hiroshima (150,000) and Nagasaki (75,000) are over conservative, without taking into consideration the Radiation effects to people etc.

Ok Shakes ... you took the bate....with my deliberate "Millions" statement but you missed the sting in the tale: USA cannot be trusted by its allies!...... I wonder why the European countries are still members of NATO, especially after the latest twists about Jerusalem and action against Iran, by the Mafia president?

UK does not need the US to survive or prosper..... where the US needs the UK for reliable intel info......to suit its interests. I was listening to Merkel today and realised that Germany want out of that capitulation agreement of 1947 which keep them as a US Vassal till 2099. Germany is financially strong enough to be act independently.

It is pretty clear to all Europeans that Russia will never invade or use atomic bombs against any European nation. Its commercial interests are very important for the Russian economy, only Germany using Russian Gas....pay around $400 Billions a year.

The Tavrida (Crimea) move by Russia was a preemptive strategic move against the USA plans to take it over and create a forward post for it's rockets in the underbelly of Russia. REM Russia had an agreement for the bases until 2044 and Tavrida (its proper name) was always historically a Russian Part. With that move... Putin shafted a huge donkey :censored: up your back side and it's hurting a lot!! Get used to it..... :laugh:

Wiz, I can only cry at your lack of knowledge and history. If certain countries did not have an ally in The United States those countries would now be speaking Russian or German.

Don't cry for me Argentina... error AvHdB..... I don't read the Jews version of History....... obviously you Do!

Quote from: AvHdB on May 11, 2018, 11:06:31 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 10:43:15 AM
As you have not answered any other comment of mine.... I will stop here and go for fresh air and coffee in the garden....

There is no obligation to reply or answer to a comment. But feel free to stay in the garden for a long time.

Coffee it's ready so ...

shalom shalom Lion Av...... :biggrin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on May 11, 2018, 08:52:50 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 10:43:15 AM

USA cannot be trusted by its allies!...... I wonder why the European countries are still members of NATO,

Wiz, nations are trying to get into NATO, not get out. When it comes to survival, America's big guns on their side is preferred.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 12, 2018, 01:44:46 AM

Quote from: BillyB on May 11, 2018, 08:52:50 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 10:43:15 AM
USA cannot be trusted by its allies!...... I wonder why the European countries are still members of NATO,

Wiz, nations are trying to get into NATO, not get out. When it comes to survival, America's big guns on their side is preferred.

Billy

After WWII when many European States have suffered the German invasion and atrocities naturally joined NATO as part of the Crimea and Tehran agreements between the two camps..... which divided Europe in two areas of influence.

USA, who during WWII had created a huge defence industry and never suffered of any invasion.....joined the war late, when Churchill did not warn them, deliberately. of the Japanese planned attack in Perl Harbour, had to create an alliance against the communistic threat of the USSR ...... at the time.

Today NATO serves the imperialist policies of the Anglo Zionist cabal and it's used when the US and its allies want to by pass the International law and the UN to attack and invade other countries.... Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya etc.... and lastly Syria.

Take a look at what is happening in the Balkans lately...... and all countries where you instigated a color revolution and are forced to join Nato......like Monte Negro lately, Albania etc.

Do read some alternative sites... like "Global Research", "Russian Insider" etc

I am sorry Billy.... I have to be brief at the moment because I am going to visit my grandchildren in the N London......

We will continue later if you wish. tiphat

PS: There a big threat about the Baltic states on RUA.... do read it if you haven't done already.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on May 12, 2018, 03:57:50 PM

Quote from: BillyB on May 11, 2018, 08:52:50 PM

Quote from: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 10:43:15 AM
USA cannot be trusted by its allies!...... I wonder why the European countries are still members of NATO,

Wiz, nations are trying to get into NATO, not get out. When it comes to survival, America's big guns on their side is preferred.

Sorry, Billy, your country is trying to force members into NATO so your country can start World War III. We’ll all be dead of course but it will be Your country’s fault, as well as the crackpots like you that support constant war.

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on May 12, 2018, 04:49:55 PM

Poor Jerash

That questioning mind has been consuming the stable diet of Russian TV news.

Suggest taking a trip through the more recent NATO members.

Then there's Finland that would like to join...Georgia....and now Ukraine..... (Montenegro?)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 12, 2018, 08:53:26 PM

Quote from: Jerash on May 12, 2018, 03:57:50 PM

Quote from: BillyB on May 11, 2018, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 10:43:15 AM
USA cannot be trusted by its allies!...... I wonder why the European countries are still members of NATO,

Wiz, nations are trying to get into NATO, not get out. When it comes to survival, America's big guns on their side is preferred.

Sorry, Billy, your country is trying to force members into NATO so your country can start World War III. We’ll all be dead of course but it will be Your country’s fault, as well as the crackpots like you that support constant war.

It’s not so much “our” country anymore Jerash. There was a coup d’etat back in 1963 and another even more effective one in 2001.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 12, 2018, 11:04:27 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 12, 2018, 08:53:26 PM

Quote from: Jerash on May 12, 2018, 03:57:50 PM
Quote from: BillyB on May 11, 2018, 08:52:50 PM
Quote from: Wiz on May 11, 2018, 10:43:15 AM
USA cannot be trusted by its allies!...... I wonder why the European countries are still members of NATO,

Wiz, nations are trying to get into NATO, not get out. When it comes to survival, America's big guns on their side is preferred.

Sorry, Billy, your country is trying to force members into NATO so your country can start World War III. We’ll all be dead of course but it will be Your country’s fault, as well as the crackpots like you that support constant war.

It’s not so much “our” country anymore Jerash. There was a coup d’etat back in 1963 and another even more effective one in 2001.

Tell us more about them.......I am getting old and forget.... :nod: :8)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on May 13, 2018, 08:55:50 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 12, 2018, 01:44:46 AM

Today NATO serves the imperialist policies of the Anglo Zionist cabal and it's used when the US and its allies want to by pass the International law and the UN to attack and invade other countries.... Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya etc.... and lastly Syria.

Countries that don't invade their neighbors or support terrorism never seem to have the problems with NATO as the nations you mentioned.

Quote from: Jerash on May 12, 2018, 03:57:50 PM

Sorry, Billy, your country is trying to force members into NATO so your country can start World War III. We’ll all be dead of course but it will be Your country’s fault, as well as the crackpots like you that support constant war.

Most of the countries in the world that are prosperous and worth invading are in NATO. Why would America force them in?

We don't have a dictator running America that is trying to start WWIII. We change presidents often and they each have different views and want peace, not war.

Because America wants to keep world peace, it may be the reason we have a lot of friends. If nations feel Russia is a better to be friends with, they can invite Russian troops into their nation to help with security. Ask Ukraine how that worked out for them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 13, 2018, 10:45:09 AM

Quote from: BillyB on May 13, 2018, 08:55:50 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 12, 2018, 01:44:46 AM
Today NATO serves the imperialist policies of the Anglo Zionist cabal and it's used when the US and its allies want to by pass the International law and the UN to attack and invade other countries.... Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya etc.... and lastly Syria.

Countries that don't invade their neighbors or support terrorism never seem to have the problems with NATO as the nations you mentioned.

Quote from: Jerash on May 12, 2018, 03:57:50 PM
Sorry, Billy, your country is trying to force members into NATO so your country can start World War III. We’ll all be dead of course but it will be Your country’s fault, as well as the crackpots like you that support constant war.

Most of the countries in the world that are prosperous and worth invading are in NATO. Why would America force them in?

We don't have a dictator running America that is trying to start WWIII. We change presidents often and they each have different views and want peace, not war.

Because America wants to keep world peace, it may be the reason we have a lot of friends. If nations feel Russia is a better to be friends with, they can invite Russian troops into their nation to help with security. Ask Ukraine how that worked out for them.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Keep drinking the kool-aid Billy. Iraq, Libya, Syria...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 13, 2018, 01:09:59 PM

Quote from: BillyB on May 13, 2018, 08:55:50 AM

Quote from: Wiz on May 12, 2018, 01:44:46 AM
Today NATO serves the imperialist policies of the Anglo Zionist cabal and it's used when the US and its allies want to by pass the International law and the UN to attack and invade other countries.... Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya etc.... and lastly Syria.

Countries that don't invade their neighbors or support terrorism never seem to have the problems with NATO as the nations you mentioned.

Like Afghanistan, Libya, to name only 2 :ROFL:

Quote from: Jerash on May 12, 2018, 03:57:50 PM
Sorry, Billy, your country is trying to force members into NATO so your country can start World War III. We’ll all be dead of course but it will be Your country’s fault, as well as the crackpots like you that support constant war.

Most of the countries in the world that are prosperous and worth invading are in NATO. Why would America force them in? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

We don't have a dictator running America that is trying to start WWIII. We change presidents often and they each have different views and want peace, not war. :ROFL:

WWIII is going on since 2002... You forgot the speech to the nation by GW Bush?
WAR ON TERROR[/b]

Because America wants to keep world peace, it may be the reason we have a lot of friends. If nations feel Russia is a better to be friends with, they can invite Russian troops into their nation to help with security. Ask Ukraine how that worked out for them.

CIA, Ambassador Pyat and Victoria Nulan have done an excellent job. Try telling that to the Ukrainians...

Having visited the US numerous times ... I always thought Americans are ignorant and uneducated.... and 80% have no passports.

It is very clear that your are completely brainwashed by your MSM and TV and have no hope in hell to get out of it!

If the USA is such a nice philanthropic Democracy why the hell you have the need to have more than 800 bases in over 170 Nations around the world?

OK BILLY God bless you and America ..... and keep taking the pills or smoke some marijuana as its freely available there.

Unfortunately you are beyond redemption!

:'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on May 13, 2018, 07:45:37 PM

Billy said

Most of the countries in the world that are prosperous and worth invading are in NATO. Why would America force them in?

We don't have a dictator running America that is trying to start WWIII. We change presidents often and they each have different views and want peace, not war.

Because America wants to keep world peace, it may be the reason we have a lot of friends. If nations feel Russia is a better to be friends with, they can invite Russian troops into their nation to help with security. Ask Ukraine how that worked out for them.

Hello Billy, life must be good these days if you're willing to spend time talking to the guys who think Putin is the man of reason. I don't post much here, can't be bothered, but it does make for a few moments of interest seeing how some of these guys get it so wrong. They devour the Russian propaganda like a kid eats KD with ketchup.
Oblivious to the facts and history that is readily available to them. Does America :censored: up at times? Sure, but they are relied upon by the democracies around the world to act on various situations. Iraq just held a national election. It didn't go as smooth as a Canadian election, but they had it. American and the UK made huge blunders, but the Iraqi people are moving towards a future free of ruthless dictators.

Anyway Billy enjoy the head banging on the table.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 13, 2018, 08:17:34 PM

So what is the opinions on this regarding Trump?

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/13/trump-zte-china-sanctions-korea-iran-584244

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on May 13, 2018, 10:31:02 PM

Quote from: Confederate on May 13, 2018, 10:45:09 AM

Keep drinking the kool-aid Billy. Iraq, Libya, Syria...

My Kool Aid makes me believe the American flag isn't planted in those countries. Your Kool Aid tells you America wants to conquer the world. Every modern president wanted to conquer the world. Secret societies want to conquer the world. Many of those guys are dead. JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush HW, Clinton, Bush W, Obama, and Trump have or will die without achieving the goal of conquering the world. Has it ever occurred to you none of them had the goal of conquering the world?

Quote from: Wiz on May 13, 2018, 01:09:59 PM

It is very clear that your are completely brainwashed by your MSM and TV and have no hope in hell to get out of it!

I watched tv a few days ago. It was the first time I watched tv in 3 months and I don't turn it on for the news. Your analysis is as wrong as the news sources you read and watch.

Quote from: Donhollio on May 13, 2018, 07:45:37 PM

Hello Billy, life must be good these days if you're willing to spend time talking to the guys who think Putin is the man of reason.

Life is good and I enjoy the amusement I'm reading.

Quote from: Donhollio on May 13, 2018, 07:45:37 PM

Anyway Billy enjoy the head banging on the table.

I'm sure you had your fun. My turn to bang my head.

Quote from: AvHdB on May 13, 2018, 08:17:34 PM

So what is the opinions on this regarding Trump?

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/13/trump-zte-china-sanctions-korea-iran-584244

Trump is going to win the trade war with China. Both nations already have people at the table talking to each other. Trump must feel good about how things are going to turn out since he's all for saving a major Chinese company and 70,000 Chinese jobs. President Xi will reciprocate. Getting better trade deals, making policy that makes the American economy stronger, getting peace on the Korean peninsula and probably will get a better Iran nuke deal will get Trump re elected.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 14, 2018, 02:11:37 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on May 13, 2018, 07:45:37 PM

Billy said

Most of the countries in the world that are prosperous and worth invading are in NATO. Why would America force them in?

We don't have a dictator running America that is trying to start WWIII. We change presidents often and they each have different views and want peace, not war.

Because America wants to keep world peace, it may be the reason we have a lot of friends. If nations feel Russia is a better to be friends with, they can invite Russian troops into their nation to help with security. Ask Ukraine how that worked out for them.

DON, with so many contacts of your "Willy waver" times in Ukraine, I am sure you can get/have a good picture of the putsch results organised by the CIA, Victoria Nulan (we spent $5 Billions and F.u.c.k EU), Geoffrey Pyatt (CIA agent) and the Fascist John McCain have achieved over there!

(https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/rem_kwadriga/7386002/1116/1116_900.jpg)

(http://conspiracynews.co.kr/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/%E1%84%86%E1%85%A2%E1%84%8F%E1%85%A6%E1%84%8B%E1%85%B5%E1%86%AB%E1%84%91%E1%85%A9%E1%84%85%E1%85%A9%E1%84%89%E1%85%A8%E1%86%AB%E1%84%8F%E1%85%A9.jpg)

All the above persons. I mentioned. are in the photo including the leaders of the fascist putsch!

Did you know that Yanukovych. with the deal he made for the Russian Bases in Crimea, to extend the lease to 2044, Ukraine was paying $50 per 1000 cm and now they have to import it from Germany paying $390 per 1000 cm?

Are you aware that before the US action to destabilise Ukraine in 2014, Ukraine was exporting 90% of its good to Russia?

Today, because of the US/Mossad actions, Ukraine is an impoverished, destroyed, criminal and a failed state! :evilgrin0002:

Ask your previous "Women friends" how they survive and then start lecturing us. My local friend and family had to move to another country....to survive.

Quote from: Donhollio on May 13, 2018, 07:45:37 PM

Hello Billy, life must be good these days if you're willing to spend time talking to the guys who think Putin is the man of reason. I don't post much here, can't be bothered, but it does make for a few moments of interest seeing how some of these guys get it so wrong. They devour the Russian propaganda like a kid eats KD with ketchup.

Oblivious to the facts and history that is readily available to them. Does America :censored: up at times? Sure, but they are relied upon by the democracies around the world to act on various situations. Iraq just held a national election. It didn't go as smooth as a Canadian election, but they had it. American and the UK made huge blunders, but the Iraqi people are moving towards a future free of ruthless dictators.

Anyway Billy enjoy the head banging on the table.

You have never been interested in politics, all the years I know you, only.... pussycats for your best friend and it's clear you are wearing blinkers, due to your ignorance and uninterest in politics.

At least BillyB has the courage to debate and express his views....... unlike you!

Time for you to go outside and clear the snow from your drive. :P

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 14, 2018, 02:51:24 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 13, 2018, 08:17:34 PM

So what is the opinions on this regarding Trump?

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/13/trump-zte-china-sanctions-korea-iran-584244

We wouldn't expect any different behaviour from the Mafia Don!

Soon or later somebody will release some interesting info about his actions and behaviour and make him look like .......
you choose the epithet.

:coffeeread:

Title: DONALD TRUMP’S NEOCON CONVERSION WAS PREDICTABLE
Post by: Wiz on May 14, 2018, 03:19:31 AM

DONALD TRUMP’S NEOCON CONVERSION WAS PREDICTABLE

(http://www.muslimport.com/d/other/59bfc7b41c0000240079ef61.jpeg)

During the election, I wrote a little ebook titled “Donald Trump’s War on Islam.” In addition to pointing out Trump’s pandering to Islamophobia, I wrote about his association with a number of neocons, including Frank Gaffney and John Bolton, who is now his national security adviser. “I think John Bolton’s a good man,” Trump told the Hugh Hewitt Show.

“I watched him yesterday, actually, and he was very good in defending me in some of my views, and very, very strong. And I’ve always liked John Bolton. Well, we are thinking about it, Hugh [nominating Bolton as secretary of state]. I will say that. We are thinking about it. I mean, the negative is what I told you. But we are seriously thinking about it.”

That didn’t fly because Congress would never vote to approve Bolton, same as they wouldn’t approve his nomination as ambassador to the United Nations during the reign of Bush. Instead, he assumed the role of national security adviser, a position that doesn’t require congressional approval.

In August 2016, when I published my ebook, I had no idea just how far Trump would go. He is now almost entirely in the neocon camp and Zionist sheep dipped—although the hardline neocons like Bill Kristol and Max Boot stubbornly reject him, mostly because he is an outlier, didn’t come up through the ranks, and is unpolished and anti-intellectual.

But it’s not merely the neocons.

It’s also the Israelis.

Bibi Netanyahu and the Likud party fanatics—hardcore Zionists—are welcomed by Trump. He has adopted their ideology, most likely as a result of the influence of his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. The Trump administration is more pro-Israel than the Bush administration. Not even George Bush and his neocons signed off on making Jerusalem the capitol of Israel.

Bush followed the lead of the neocons and destroyed Iraq—a longtime Israeli goal, along with destroying Syria, which Obama tried to accomplish, although his relationship with the Israelis was tepid at best. Instead, Obama destroyed Libya, which wasn’t a top objective of the Likudnik Israelis, not that they objected to another Muslim biting the dust.

Trump is going for the prime Likudnik objective—taking out Iran.

Iran, of course, poses absolutely no threat to America. It does, however, challenge Israel for the role as Middle East Hegemon. Because of this and its strident anti-Zionist rhetoric and ostensible support for the Palestinians, it has to be taken down.

As I wrote earlier today, we will now witness John Bolton’s Plan B—stirring up ethnic division inside Iran, directly aiding domestic groups opposed to the rule of the mullahs, and ultimately installing the wacky MEK cult as the preferred client.

The details weren’t known two years ago when I wrote my ebook—but the general outline, a rough sketch was.

It was obvious when Trump talked about torturing suspected terrorists, killing their families, stealing oil in Iraq and Syria, and in general raising hell in the Arab and Muslim Middle East, remarks that fall comfortably within the parameters of the Zionist neocon agenda.

Article posted By KURT NIMMO on 13 May 2018 (https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/65812/nimmo-donald-trumps-neocon-conversion.html)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 14, 2018, 06:23:34 AM

Wiz, Perhaps turn your hearing aid down we can read you. BOLD CAPS 18pt is screaming on a forum, please stop. Hint and you do not have to pay for it, it defaults your post in a negative response/reception.

As I understand your post above (presently mine is #9930 and yours is #9929*) you are qouting Kurt Mimmo. You are entitled to your opinion and in some respects there is an unfortunate reality and truth in what he writes.

Just my opinion V. Nuland could not fcuk a dildo. Those who fcuked Ukrainians where there own politicians/leaders from 1990 to today.

* If a post of Moby is approved the numbering changes

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 14, 2018, 09:09:13 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 14, 2018, 06:23:34 AM

Wiz, Perhaps turn your hearing aid down we can read you. ~~BOLD~~ Right size CAPS 14pt is screaming on a forum, please stop. Hint and you do not have to pay for it, it defaults your post in a negative response/reception.

As I understand your post above (presently mine is #9930 and yours is #9929*) you are qouting Kurt Mimmo. You are entitled to your opinion and in some respects there is an unfortunate reality and truth in what he writes.

Just my opinion V. Nuland could not fcuk a dildo. Those who fcuked Ukrainians where there own politicians/leaders from 1990 to today.

* If a post of Moby is approved the numbering changes

AVHDB

I use max 14 size and not bold 18 pt like you did, for the Titles........what is your problem?

I don't use glasses and can read the default size of the fonts here very well.

The article I posted is for information and not necessary my opinions,,,, as you state but you also admits that most of what he writes are true. :nod: :laugh:

How do you know that she can't Fcuk a dildo... you were not there when she was dishing out those cookies! :P

It has been proven and everybody knows who was behind the Orange revolution and the 2014 Putsch. The snipers were trained for 4 years in Israel. Only you insist to ignore the facts because that is the line of the Jewish trolls.

:8)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on May 14, 2018, 09:41:27 AM

Trump's "Ridiculous" Currency Manipulation
Accusations Against China & Russia

U.S. President Donald Trump caught the attention of global foreign exchange markets on Tuesday, April 17 after he accused both Russia and China of playing "the currency devaluation game".
The accusations suggest Trump believes both nations are unfairly making their exports more cost-competitive on international markets, at the expense of U.S. exports.
He described these alleged shenanigans as being "not acceptable!” making these comments the latest in his attempt to rebalance global trade in favour of the United States.

The accusations are however problematic in that they come days after the U.S. Treasury published its latest report into foreign exchange markets which provides the analytical framework from which the U.S. is supposed to use to officially label currency manipulators.
China, Japan, South Korea, Germany, Switzerland and India are on a monitoring list which implies these currencies are under greater scrutiny.

"But as in previous years, the Treasury did not label anyone as a currency manipulator," says Thu Lan Nguyen, an analyst with Commerzbank.

It appears Trump either has chosen to ignore this report, or has his own preconceived framework.

READ MORE: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/04/16/president-trump-hits-russian-chinese-currency-devaluations/

:money: :evilgrin0002:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 16, 2018, 10:46:14 AM

I've been saying for a while that the Democrats think they lost the 2016
election because they weren't far enough to the left. A tiny segment of
voters actually support those fringe lefty ideas and policies.

The 2018 Democrats are going to lose if they run on impeaching Trump,
free money for all and open borders. That is where they are headed today.

Democrats head to the far left in 2018 mid terms
DSA (Democratic Socialists of America)

In the Pittsburgh area, Summer Lee and Sara Innamorato, Democrats who are both members of the DSA, won primaries for state House Districts 34 and 21.

The DSA hailed the legislative victories as a huge moment for the socialist movement.

Arielle Cohen, co-chair of the Pittsburgh DSA chapter, told HuffPost that she feels a "monumental shift" after the victories, noting DSA’s growing membership since President Trump's election.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/387901-four-socialist-backed-candidates-win-pennsylvania-elections

The Democratic base overwhelmingly supports progressive positions. It's time for the party to pay attention.

(https://video-images.vice.com/_uncategorized/1523573926578-vicechart2.jpeg?resize=1575:*)

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjppaa/if-democrats-listened-to-their-voters-theyd-be-moving-left

Fringe liberal ideas move to front-burner for Democrats
From legal pot to guaranteed jobs, progressive ideas are drawing more attention from Democratic lawmakers — especially potential 2020 contenders.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/liberal-ideas-move-fringe-front-burner-democrats-n873516

New Study Finds Democrats Moving Left, Driving Growing Partisan Gap
http://freebeacon.com/politics/new-study-finds-democrats-moving-left-driving-growing-partisan-gap/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on May 17, 2018, 06:09:18 PM

Quote

Still, Tillerson warned that obscuring the truth would lead America to become like "Russia, China, Iran or North Korea." It is only by “fierce defense of the truth and common sets of facts that we create the conditions for a Democratic, free society comprised of richly diverse peoples,”

Quote

After Tillerson's speech, some journalists took to Twitter the former secretary of state a hypocrite, accusing him of purposefully obscuring the truth while working for Trump.

The truth is out there . {X-files} :chuckle:

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-tillerson-american-democracy-crisis-930004

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 17, 2018, 06:36:55 PM

It seems that Rex Tillerson is the most respectable 'member' of the Team Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on May 18, 2018, 01:05:37 PM

Quote from: msmoby on May 12, 2018, 04:49:55 PM

Poor Jerash

That questioning mind has been consuming the stable diet of Russian TV news.

Suggest taking a trip through the more recent NATO members.

Then there's Finland that would like to join...Georgia....and now Ukraine..... (Montenegro?)

You've got to be joking me. I think you know that my Russian isn't anywhere near good enough to digest the TV news. That's why my TV is normally off and if it's on, it's on a sports or a music channel. Only a full-on anti-Russian troll would make such a comment when he would know much better if only he had the intelligence to know. :dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on May 18, 2018, 11:02:40 PM

Quote from: Jerash on May 18, 2018, 01:05:37 PM

You've got to be joking me. I think you know that my Russian isn't anywhere near good enough to digest the TV news.

..OK, so you read the Eng lang versions of same... Your Russian is improving FAST, BTW

Quote from: Jerash on May 18, 2018, 01:05:37 PM

Only a full-on anti-Russian troll would make such a comment when he would know much better if only he had the intelligence to know. :dh:

Ah, so you couldn't actually counter my points re nations wanting to join NATO - nothing but but the std "Moby is 'anti-Russian' - for pointing out the twilight zone that is present day Kremlin 'politics' / away-games in third nations.

It will be interesting to see if my post sees the light of day - given the Soviet -style editing here ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 22, 2018, 07:58:08 PM

Newest polls have moved the Republican candidates to a slight advantage in the midterm election
With all the bombshell announcements of alleged crimes committed by the Obama administration the Republican party could easily hold 60 seats in the Senate come November

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2018, 01:30:20 PM

President Trump pardons a boxer and cancels the summit with North Korea.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/trump-pardons-late-boxer-jack-johnson/ar-AAxKECB?li=BBnb7Kz

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/trump-cancels-nuclear-summit-with-north-korean-leader-kim-jong-un/ar-AAxKgR3?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 24, 2018, 03:46:51 PM

Russia's massive effort to interfere in the U.S. election was a success!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/05/24/james-clappers-bombshell-russia-swung-the-election-what-if-hes-right/?utm_term=.9a12130b3b80

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on May 24, 2018, 04:43:45 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-calls-off-meeting-135044611.html

There goes the Nobel Peace Prize. (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on May 24, 2018, 07:12:48 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on May 24, 2018, 04:43:45 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-calls-off-meeting-135044611.html

There goes the Nobel Peace Prize. (:)

I suspect this is a 'dance' where the music has not ended. (At least that is what I hope.)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on May 24, 2018, 07:51:48 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on May 24, 2018, 07:12:48 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on May 24, 2018, 04:43:45 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-calls-off-meeting-135044611.html

There goes the Nobel Peace Prize. (:)

I suspect this is a 'dance' where the music has not ended. (At least that is what I hope.)

North Korea has already expressed continued interest in resuming talks, and meeting with President Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on May 26, 2018, 08:43:14 PM

The wiz said,
"You have never been interested in politics, all the years I know you, only.... pussycats for your best friend and it's clear you are wearing blinkers, due to your ignorance and uninterest in politics.

At least BillyB has the courage to debate and express his views....... unlike you!

Time for you to go outside and clear the snow from your drive."

Debate? Debate what with whom? Anyone with an appreciation for democracy would clearly see Putin's Russia is anything but a desired world power. If you think it's fine to bomb children in peices, poison others and muzzle the media, then there is no point debating anything. Putin's puppets here think it's fine to block the democratic process , and have them conquer lamd for expandibg the country bit by bit.
Here's a history lesson, he's taking tips from Hitler. Major differences are that Hitler wasn't after building his personal wealth, and Putin has no interest in starting any major wars. Being a former KGB he does things to undermine and antagonize democratic nations. It's plain to see if one wasn't sleeping with a spouse from that country.
I think my hour is up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 26, 2018, 09:20:23 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on May 26, 2018, 08:43:14 PM

The wiz said,
"You have never been interested in politics, all the years I know you, only.... pussycats for your best friend and it's clear you are wearing blinkers, due to your ignorance and uninterest in politics.

At least BillyB has the courage to debate and express his views....... unlike you!

Time for you to go outside and clear the snow from your drive."

Debate? Debate what with whom? Anyone with an appreciation for democracy would clearly see Putin's Russia is anything but a desired world power. If you think it's fine to bomb children in peices, poison others and muzzle the media,

Were you talking about Putin or Bush Jr.?

In the "war on terror" Bush Jr. murdered 500,000 Iraqi civilians while muzzling the media during the Iraq war.

We sure "liberated" them didn't we? :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 01, 2018, 09:24:48 AM

Unemployment is the lowest it’s been in 18 years thanks to President Trumps leadership.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/unemployment-rate-falls-to-18-year-low-solid-hiring-in-may-1527856298

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 01, 2018, 10:28:17 AM

Sadly, although unemployment numbers show a decline the labor force participation rate has gone down, again. There's 102 million Americans who are either unemployed or out of the labor force. The thing is that the unemployment figures are 'fudgeable' and fudged they are with all sorts of allowances and adjustments.

The participation rate includes the long-term unemployed who are automatically removed from the headline unemployment figures. Why is that a bad thing, if the unemployment rate is falling?

Here's the problem: the U.S. population is growing, the number of potential wage earners is growing. This means that the number of jobs required to use the potential labour of all those Americans needs to increase to match the population. If the participation rate falls then that means there are fewer jobs being created than there are people to do them and, over time, that leads to serious economic and social problems.

With the headline unemployment rate the fudges and fixes used mean that we can not get a real picture of the employment situation in the United States. When we look at participation rate we see that each month there are more 'real unemployed'.

Here's a couple of charts that make the problem clear:
(https://bestchartnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/LFP20May202018202.jpg?itok=wxPrjH5X)
https://bestchartnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/LFP20May202018202.jpg?itok=wxPrjH5X

(https://bestchartnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/non20in20labor20force20may202018.jpg?itok=f6zZb8p8)
https://bestchartnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/non20in20labor20force20may202018.jpg?itok=f6zZb8p8

The first shows us that since 2008 the economy took a kick in the nuts from which it has never recovered. This chart shows the rate of participation. The best that can be said of the late Obama/early Trump period is that there is some kind of plateauing or bottoming out in the rate but that millions of people still need jobs.

The second shows the absolute numbers, and this is the really scary one! We can see that employment simply is not meeting up with demand.

All that is happening at the moment is that real unemployment is being fudged away.

The main argument that is made against the labour force participation rate is that the 'discouraged workers' are no longer part of the labour force. Well, take a look at the first chart. Does anyone really think that in 2008 millions of people decided to never work again? Of course they didn't. What happened was that they were massaged out of the headline unemployment numbers, they still exist - somehow.

Don't go banging any drums for Trump until you see the participation rate increasing and more importantly that the raw numbers of 'people not in the labor force' go down.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 01, 2018, 11:17:09 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 01, 2018, 10:28:17 AM

Sadly, although unemployment numbers show a decline the labor force participation rate has gone down, again. There's 102 million Americans who are either unemployed or out of the labor force. The thing is that the unemployment figures are 'fudgeable' and fudged they are with all sorts of allowances and adjustments.

The participation rate includes the long-term unemployed who are automatically removed from the headline unemployment figures. Why is that a bad thing, if the unemployment rate is falling?

Here's the problem: the U.S. population is growing, the number of potential wage earners is growing. This means that the number of jobs required to use the potential labour of all those Americans needs to increase to match the population. If the participation rate falls then that means there are fewer jobs being created than there are people to do them and, over time, that leads to serious economic and social problems.

With the headline unemployment rate the fudges and fixes used mean that we can not get a real picture of the employment situation in the United States. When we look at participation rate we see that each month there are more 'real unemployed'.

The main argument that is made against the labour force participation rate is that the 'discouraged workers' are no longer part of the labour force. Well, take a look at the first chart. Does anyone really think that in 2008 millions of people decided to never work again? Of course they didn't. What happened was that they were massaged out of the headline unemployment numbers, they still exist - somehow.

Don't go banging any drums for Trump until you see the participation rate increasing and more importantly that the raw numbers of 'people not in the labor force' go down.

Your analysis has merit but you need to factor in the record number of "baby boomer" retirees who are leaving the work force permanently. That will change your conclusions significantly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 01, 2018, 01:18:02 PM

No, it doesn't change things. If it did the charts would look different.

For your suggestion to be on point we would have to expect that the sudden dip in 2008 did not happen - see chart one. What we see there is a sudden change in the employment pattern and one that has continued. What actually happened in 2008 was a large increase in unemployment, one that has not reversed. If the economy returned to normal then we would expect there to be a change back up as the unemployed moved back into employment.

Retirees are not part of the labour force and so do not figure into the labour participation rate (and also, of course, not in the headline employment figures). Also discarded from the figures are children and a few other classes. The most significant part of those uncounted inthe headline figure is the 'discouraged'. The assumption is made that anyone who has not found work after a few months, IIRC six, is no longer part of the labour force and is therefore not counted as unemployed. Not being counted in the headline employment figures is the biggest single fudge in the figures and what makes the participation rate numbers so important.

The change in the workforce participation is due to two factors:
1) a general increase in population
2) fewer people, as a proportion of the labour, force working

The labour force participation rate is about the proportions, not the absolute numbers. We should expect, in a healthy economy, that the participation rate should remain roughly consistent - in terms of the first chart, the line should be flat(ish) and horizontal. Of course, cyclical effects on the economy will cause variations but the trend toward the horizontal should be clear. You can see that the trend since 2008 is for a big drop, a drop that actually started years before 2008 but that year was an inflection point. Over this period we have been told that the economy has been doing great - it hasn't.

As the economy grows the number of jobs should increase in order to absorb the increase in working age population -it isn't. The second chart shows that the absolute number of people of working age who are not working is increasing. That's why the second chart is more worrying than the first because a society with too many people not working tends to become unstable. It is likely that this instability is already being manifested and will get worse.

However, the numbers shown in the charts I shared demonstrates that the unemployment rate is not a good way to look at the performance of the economy in terms of jobs. It is quite likely that, in general, there is job creation happening, however, we do know from BLS and other figures that most new jobs are low value, not first income earner level places. The jobs are not being created fast enough to meet the real demand and they are not the kind of jobs that enable breadwinners to support families.

One thing to note, the unemployment figures claimed as a Trump effect are part of an economic cycle that started during Obama's tenure. Economists will usually tell us that economic cycles are not under the control of individual political administrations, they are pretty much inevitable. What economic policy can achieve is to alter the amplitude and frequency, but not the eradication of the cycles. The corollary of that is that, usually, it is fallacious for any administration to claim, for itself, perceived cyclical economic benefits that happen on its watch because the cycles, and there are several, take place over longer terms than a single administration.

To mention the unasked question here: can a government do anything to reduce the macro level effects that are driving down employment in the USA?
The answer is yes, but that can only happen if a policy is set that is then carried through over the lifetime of several administrations - or if we have a war. The first option is not likely to happen in the USA, although it did in the UK from the early 1980s, it did in China from the early 1990s and continues today. The second took place in the United States with WW2.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 01, 2018, 04:16:07 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 01, 2018, 01:18:02 PM

One thing to note, the unemployment figures claimed as a Trump effect are part of an economic cycle that started during Obama's tenure. Economists will usually tell us that economic cycles are not under the control of individual political administrations, they are pretty much inevitable. What economic policy can achieve is to alter the amplitude and frequency, but not the eradication of the cycles. The corollary of that is that, usually, it is fallacious for any administration to claim, for itself, perceived cyclical economic benefits that happen on its watch because the cycles, and there are several, take place over longer terms than a single administration.

This is true and well put.

While I have a strong dislike for Obama and his legacy, he inherited a mega mess that was the results of W. Bush. It took a long time for the economic disaster pendulum (cycle) to move back to a balanced situation.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 02, 2018, 11:19:11 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 01, 2018, 01:18:02 PM

No, it doesn't change things. If it did the charts would look different.

For your suggestion to be on point we would have to expect that the sudden dip in 2008 did not happen - see chart one. What we see there is a sudden change in the employment pattern and one that has continued. What actually happened in 2008 was a large increase in unemployment, one that has not reversed. If the economy returned to normal then we would expect there to be a change back up as the unemployed moved back into employment.

Retirees are not part of the labour force and so do not figure into the labour participation rate (and also, of course, not in the headline employment figures). Also discarded from the figures are children and a few other classes. The most significant part of those uncounted inthe headline figure is the 'discouraged'. The assumption is made that anyone who has not found work after a few months, IIRC six, is no longer part of the labour force and is therefore not counted as unemployed. Not being counted in the headline employment figures is the biggest single fudge in the figures and what makes the participation rate numbers so important.

The change in the workforce participation is due to two factors:
1) a general increase in population
2) fewer people, as a proportion of the labour, force working

The labour force participation rate is about the proportions, not the absolute numbers. We should expect, in a healthy economy, that the participation rate should remain roughly consistent - in terms of the first chart, the line should be flat(ish) and horizontal. Of course, cyclical effects on the economy will cause variations but the trend toward the horizontal should be clear. You can see that the trend since 2008 is for a big drop, a drop that actually started years before 2008 but that year was an inflection point. Over this period we have been told that the economy has been doing great - it hasn't.

As the economy grows the number of jobs should increase in order to absorb the increase in working age population -it isn't. The second chart shows that the absolute number of people of working age who are not working is increasing. That's why the second chart is more worrying than the first because a society with too many people not working tends to become unstable. It is likely that this instability is already being manifested and will get worse.

The best measuring stick for unemployment isn't U3 unemployment which
as you've pointed out doesn't take into consideration underemployment,
long term discouraged workers and people who have part time jobs but
want full time jobs.

U6 unemployment while not perfect is a better measurement tool.

"The percentage of Americans 16 or older who are in the labor force is just 62.7%, well below the 66.4% rate that prevailed before the Great Recession. Retiring baby boomers help explain much of the decline, but the share of Americans in the prime working years - ages 25 to 54 — who are working still hasn’t fully recovered to precession levels."
https://www.marke*snip*ch.com/story/the-real-us-unemployment-rate-reached-a-17-year-low-2018-06-01

(https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.eHbSMk10O4vx6DsdbPhCbwHaEK&pid=15.1&P=0&w=326&h=184)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 05, 2018, 06:11:44 PM

Secret Service arrests contractor accused of murder. :eeekk:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/arrest-made-outside-white-house/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 05, 2018, 07:58:14 PM

I can't remember during my lifetime, the U.S. making historic economic growth as has taken place over the first 500 days of the Trump presidency.
The United States is set to be the world's biggest energy producer.
There's talk of a 4.8 percent economic growth rate for the 2nd quarter.
It's truly great to live in the United States with a President that actually is working for America.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 06, 2018, 10:31:24 AM

Whoops,

If the Dems don't get at least 80% of the black vote they stop winning
elections.

Voters Think Young Blacks Doing Better Under Trump Than Obama

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey shows
that 32% of Likely U.S. Voters believe life for young black Americans has
gotten better since Trump’s election.

But in March 2014, just 16% said life for young black Americans had gotten better since Obama’s election five-and-a-half years earlier. By July 2016 in Obama’s final year in office, only 13% thought life was better for young blacks.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/social_issues/voters_think_young_blacks_doing_better_under_trump_than_obama

Black unemployment rate hits a record low
As the overall unemployment rate continues to fall — the lowest since 2000
it's also shrinking the gap between black and white unemployment. It is
the narrowest on record.

http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/01/news/economy/black-unemployment-rate-record-low/index.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 07, 2018, 12:03:20 PM

Illegal who thought he was safe in a “sanctuary city” to be deported.

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He Delivered Pizza to an Army Base in Brooklyn. Now He Faces Deportation.
Food delivery. Sanctuary. Those are often the anchors for the more than half a million undocumented immigrants who live and work in New York City.
But an incident at the United States Army base in Fort Hamilton, Brooklyn, last week has called those foundations into question, and provoked new tension in the city’s battle with federal immigration authorities over protections for immigrants without legal status.
Pablo Villavicencio Calderon, 35, an undocumented immigrant, was making a delivery from a brick-oven pizza restaurant in Queens to the Army base next to the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge on Friday before lunchtime.
According to his wife, Sandra Chica, he presented a New York City identification card, as he had done in the past. The card, provided through a program called IDNYC, was supposed to give undocumented immigrants a method of proving their identification when dealing with city agencies, including the schools system and the Police Department, neither of which is allowed to ask about immigration status.
But on that day, Ms. Chica said, it was not enough for the military police officer on duty, who said Mr. Villavicencio needed a driver’s license, which he did not have. A background check revealed an open order of deportation from 2010. Military personnel detained him and called Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers, who took him into custody, an official for the immigration agency said.
He is scheduled to be deported to Ecuador next week, his wife said.
“The arrest of Pablo with a municipal ID is sending shock waves throughout the immigrant community because they were told they would have some form of living in this city without harassment,” Eric Adams, the Brooklyn borough president and a Democrat, said at a news conference on Wednesday outside the Army base. “Now everyone with those IDs are afraid what will happen.”
The Trump administration made it clear from the outset that all immigrants living illegally in the United States would be subject to deportation; there would no longer be priorities emphasizing the deportation of dangerous criminals.
According to Catherine SantoPietro, a spokeswoman for the Army command at the base, only a Department of Defense or military identification is acceptable for entry. Otherwise, visitors must get a day pass, which requires an on-site background check.
“Upon signing a waiver permitting a background check, Department of the Army Access Control standard for all visitors, an active Immigration and Customs Enforcement warrant was discovered on file,” Ms. SantoPietro said in a statement.
The episode exposed the tenuous protection undocumented immigrants have in New York, despite that fact that as a so-called sanctuary city, it limits cooperation with immigration officials.
And using an IDNYC card can have unintended consequences, acting as a signal that a holder is undocumented. “Because when you show that, you are telling the other people, ‘Listen, I don’t have a driver’s license,’” Ms. Chica said.
“Is this city, state and nation safer because they took a pizza delivery guy off the street?” asked Justin Brannan, a Democratic city councilman representing Brooklyn, at the news conference.
Mr. Adams wondered why the base policy had appeared to shift, since according to Mr. Villavicencio he had delivered without incident before. “That is why, as a sanctuary city, we need to be clear for those federal locations, what are you requiring of people entering the location,” Mr. Adams said.
But State Senator Martin J. Golden, a Republican member of the Senate Committee on Veterans, Homeland Security and Military Affairs, applauded the actions of the military police, saying that he “would expect nothing less from the Fort Hamilton commander and its dedicated personnel who have committed their lives to protecting our citizens and country.”
Mr. Villavicencio knew that he was constantly at risk of deportation, his wife said. He had no criminal record, according to a spokeswoman for ICE, as the immigration agency is known. He was granted a voluntary departure order from an immigration judge in 2010, but did not leave. That made him a fugitive.
Mr. Villavicencio married Ms. Chica, 38, a naturalized citizen from Colombia, five years ago, she said. They live in Hempstead, on Long Island. They have two daughters. In February, Ms. Chica said, her husband applied for a green card as the spouse of a United States citizen, but had not heard back.
He had been working for the past eight months for Nonna Delia’s, a brick-oven pizza restaurant in College Point, Queens. Doing a delivery job without a driver’s license “was his mistake,” his wife said.
A manager at the restaurant, reached by phone on Wednesday, would say only that Mr. Villavicencio “is a good guy,” but did not want to comment further because “the family is suffering.” The restaurant is nearly an hour away from the base, and the manager acknowledged that it had delivered there in the past.
Ms. Chica said the personnel at the base had still accepted his food delivery. When she went to pick up his car, the two large containers designed to hold the food were empty, she said.
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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 07, 2018, 03:29:05 PM

Quote from: Confederate on June 07, 2018, 12:03:20 PM

He was granted a voluntary departure order from an immigration judge in 2010, but did not leave.

That happens between 85-90% of the time.

Our immigration laws DESPERATELY need a re-write.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 07, 2018, 06:10:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 07, 2018, 03:29:05 PM

Quote from: Confederate on June 07, 2018, 12:03:20 PM
He was granted a voluntary departure order from an immigration judge in 2010, but did not leave.

That happens between 85-90% of the time.

Our immigration laws DESPERATELY need a re-write.

In the meantime one by one President Trump is enforcing the law and ejecting law breakers.

Cutting off funding to “sanctuary cities” would be long overdue. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 07, 2018, 07:16:27 PM

I understand there is a pizza place that needs a delivery boy. Confederate is this something for you?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 07, 2018, 07:58:34 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on June 07, 2018, 07:16:27 PM

I understand there is a pizza place that needs a delivery boy. Confederate is this something for you?

And I understand there’s a bar that needs an illiterate dyslexic drunk as a busboy. Your dream job is waiting Av.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 14, 2018, 10:54:07 PM

The Inspector General report castigates Comey. Of course there are two sides to every story.

Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), chairman of the House Freedom Caucus and a key Trump ally on Capitol Hill, said, “It appears at least five individuals that were involved in the Hillary Clinton investigation went on to investigate aspects of Russia, and when you have bias associated with that, it’s deeply troubling.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/inspector-general-blasts-comey-says-others-at-fbi-showed-willingness-to-take-official-action-to-hurt-trump/2018/06/14/5fc091ee-6f1a-11e8-afd5-778aca903bbe_story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 15, 2018, 04:08:58 PM

This coming Wednesday I will be taking my daughter to attend the Trump rally in Duluth mn. The Trump organization has just informed that the venue has changed to accommodate more people.
The media would have you believe that the president is not well liked or popular, but he is a rockstar!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on June 16, 2018, 02:51:28 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 15, 2018, 04:08:58 PM

This coming Wednesday I will be taking my daughter to attend the Trump rally in Duluth mn. The Trump organization has just informed that the venue has changed to accommodate more people.
The media would have you believe that the president is not well liked or popular, but he is a rockstar!

Good for you Tom Cat. Sounds like one of those unorthodox-but-fun bonding opportunities for you and your daughter. Trump is definitely more popular than certain entities would have you believe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 17, 2018, 10:10:05 AM

Kim Jong-un criticized for meeting with nation that has committed genocide of 60 million. :sick0012:

https://babylonbee.com/news/kim-jong-un-criticized-for-meeting-with-nation-that-has-killed-60-million-babies/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 19, 2018, 06:24:34 PM

Will the United States cash in?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 19, 2018, 06:25:03 PM

This is an interesting observation. It is from S. Hersh. Part of the problem is true journalists such as Hersch are declining.

Asked, if government lies still make him as angry as in his first days of his career, Hersh replied: „It is more than being upset about lying – it’s about the reluctance of us in the press to hold the men and women who run the world's governments to the highest possible standards. We have a President in America today who lies repeatedly about the most meaningless of information, but he must learn that he cannot lie about the intelligence relied upon before authorizing an act of war. There are those in the Trump administration that understand this, which is why I learned the information I did. If this story creates even a few moments of regret in the white house it will have served a very high purpose.“

The above from the > https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article165906452/The-Fog-of-War.html <

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 20, 2018, 03:59:53 AM

A few years ago I started referring to news media as news/entertainment media because it is clear that news is no longer about journalism but rather has become a part of the entertainment media, designed to entertain and titillate rather than to inform.

There are several reasons for this but none of them are good. All of them tend to force information down the list of priorities.

People such as Hersch have no place in modern mass media. Nowadays, investigative journalism has moved out of mass media and into a large fringe of independent news sites, blogs, and video channels. Many of the people I looked up to as being leading lights of true journalism now find their home on such sites. Sadly though, these people are often dependent upon larger platforms to reach their audience. Platforms such as Facebook, Youtube, Wordpress, Blogger, or Twitter, all of whom exercise an editorial role by banning and shadow banning sources that they do not like or agree with.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 20, 2018, 04:58:08 AM

Bear in mind S. Hersch is no spring chicken.

YouTube has morphed or changed into a completely different platform than what it began as. It is sort of amazing to watch. What is troubling is that it is now owned by Google. Not that there is anything wrong as such but the reality is censorship seems to be quite arbitrary and random.

I guess the bigger problem is finding the truth between all that is uploaded.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 20, 2018, 06:30:01 AM

There does seem to be a degree of inconsistency in the way that content is deprecated on social platforms. That's due to the ability of groups to campaign for content they do not like to be removed. Running in parallel to that is a relatively recent trend for those platforms to actively monitor content and remove or deprecate materials that do not align with the preferences of the management of those platforms.

This latter process is, itself, a pretty complex, multistranded affair.

All of this activity is amplified by the echo chamber effect that occurs through the 'personalisation' of what we see based upon algorithmic selection of the content in our social media feeds. It is hard for an individual to combat the effect, even if one knows what is happening. Most people don't even know that what they are seeing is designed to flatter their existing worldview rather than challenge or expand it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 20, 2018, 08:42:11 AM

While I am not sure it is a word I think the description of YouTube would be disentrop(h)y.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 20, 2018, 01:19:26 PM

4 hours before the Trump rally, line of people waiting over 1.5 mules

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 20, 2018, 08:52:47 PM

I highly recommend going to a Trump rally. After seeing how diverse and energetic his supporters are ,I'm given hope of a red November

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 21, 2018, 04:44:57 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 20, 2018, 08:52:47 PM

I highly recommend going to a Trump rally. After seeing how diverse and energetic his supporters are ,I'm given hope of a red November

Be sure to listen to the little voice in your head... He isn't wearing any clothes ... you'll figure it out...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 21, 2018, 06:51:32 AM

Trump took a hit yesterday and I hope he learned a political lesson (but I doubt it).

Sometimes optics is more important than truth.

Chalk one up for the Democrats!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 21, 2018, 07:39:57 AM

Actually, Trump played a blinder yesterday. Go read the actual text of the executive order and get back to me when you spot what has been done. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 21, 2018, 08:14:54 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 21, 2018, 07:39:57 AM

Actually, Trump played a blinder yesterday. Go read the actual text of the executive order and get back to me when you spot what has been done. :)

I know what he was "trying" to do . . . . . . . . .

Within the week a liberal federal district judge will entertain a motion sponsored by the same people who were protesting the separation of children from their parents and block his executive order on the basis that it violates the 20-day maximum holding period for children established by the Florez settlement from the 9th circuit court which is the current law of the land.

What you don't understand is the only acceptable outcome of this conflict to your average American radical left wing liberal is to just admit ALL illegal immigrants who cross our borders. Catch and release. They play the "long game" well these Democrats. Give the illegal immigrants a court date and notice to appear before an immigration judge in 8-18 months and 95% of them will not appear as agreed. They seem to have difficulty getting their boss to give them time off from their illegal job so they can make their court appearance. Of course they immediately start collecting social benefits at taxpayer expense and eventually become citizens and then - Democrat voters.

It's all a huge scam . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 21, 2018, 08:25:48 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 21, 2018, 07:39:57 AM

Actually, Trump played a blinder yesterday. Go read the actual text of the executive order and get back to me when you spot what has been done. :)

Andrewfi demonstrating 'his finger on the pulse' ... a bit like 'Trampu'

'Trampu' and his staff couldn't move for being heckled - even in restaurants ...

REPUBLICAN first ladies torpedoed the stunt to demonstrate a 'hard line' on immigration

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 21, 2018, 11:58:28 AM

So, what do you think he was trying to do?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 22, 2018, 12:33:32 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 21, 2018, 11:58:28 AM

So, what do you think he was trying to do?

He was trying to improve the predicable horrible optics of his decision to strictly enforce immigration laws which require the separation of children from their parents. His order was intended to retain strict law enforcement and walk back the horrible side consequences of that action.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on June 22, 2018, 03:10:48 PM

Poor old Donny!!

Why do people give him so much trouble ??

These people who get separated from their children have only them selves to blame, no one else!! ? They are breaking the law aren't they? If you have kids don't do irresponsible things..

But look on the good side at least he's not incinerating them like our European neighbours were JUST a few years ago..

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36086832_10212505305964400_2719461936210116608_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHlbv6WSiejCuaXC56hcJOmE046E4GkLH7pFW9xqaLM-tgp_NTrW1MaaccEVGdB01A6WZHcim8RI9EnlpoJH_u5dMethfOFjCmeghOhsKTsdg&oh=75b58bccd799c4fd886bbca3a361ae49&oe=5B9EAD7B)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on June 22, 2018, 03:30:39 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on June 22, 2018, 03:10:48 PM

Poor old Donny!!

Why do people give him so much trouble ??

These people who get separated from their children have only them selves to blame, no one else!! ? They are breaking the law aren't they? If you have kids don't do irresponsible things..

But look on the good side at least he's not incinerating them like our European neighbours were JUST a few years ago..

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36086832_10212505305964400_2719461936210116608_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&_nc_eui2=AeHlbv6WSiejCuaXC56hcJOmE046E4GkLH7pFW9xqaLM-tgp_NTrW1MaaccEVGdB01A6WZHcim8RI9EnlpoJH_u5dMethfOFjCmeghOhsKTsdg&oh=75b58bccd799c4fd886bbca3a361ae49&oe=5B9EAD7B)

The US is doing much worse now everywhere in the world. 121 bombs as an average every day and no one even knows where they are dropped. I doubt we even really know how many bombs are dropped a day as it turns out the Pentagon has a massive massive budget and accountability gap.

The crying over a Few kids on the American border is a disgusting hypocrisy.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on June 22, 2018, 03:36:38 PM

I don't understand all this immigrant stuff, firstly I don't know why all these people want all this trouble in their lives!

Stay where you are and make a go of things!! Get a laptop, do some work on the internet, go live by the sea catch some fish and sell them and eat healthy, if you live in the jungle set up a adventure centre for wealthy adventurers , if you live in Antartica re pack the ice and sell it as some thing else, make design seal slippers and sell on the internet.. sell naked pictures of your grandmother to a fetish site, or set up a fetish site.. Its all there where ever you live in the world!!

Your future is your hands and all is possible..

Oh shit!! I forgot most of the ones coming into Europe don't want to work, they just want to breed..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on June 22, 2018, 03:36:52 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on June 22, 2018, 03:36:38 PM

I don't understand all this immigrant stuff, firstly I don't know why all these people want all this trouble in their lives!

Stay where you are and make a go of things!! Get a laptop, do some work on the internet, go live by the sea catch some fish and sell them and eat healthy, if you live in the jungle set up a adventure centre for wealthy adventurers , if you live in Antartica re pack the ice and sell it as some thing else, make design seal slippers and sell on the internet.. sell naked pictures of your grandmother to a fetish site, or set up a fetish site.. Its all there where ever you live in the world!!

Your future is your hands and all is possible..

Oh shit!! I forgot most of the ones coming into Europe don't want to work, they just want to breed..and get paid for it..

(:) (:) (:) (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on June 22, 2018, 04:41:32 PM

OMG. This topic now has 666 pages. :chuckle:

Quote

I don't understand all this immigrant stuff, firstly I don't know why all these people want all this trouble in their lives!

People who can escape their current conditions will do so if someone provides for them the escape route. If not, then you just suffer where you are until a "baddie" comes around and snuffs you out. There often are very dismal future prospects if you stay where you are now. Excluding the occasional "bad immigrant", the ones who remain in the "sh**hole country" are those who are in power, are die-hard to the country, or don't have the money to get out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Jerash on June 22, 2018, 04:49:07 PM

And 500 posts

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 24, 2018, 12:19:44 PM

Dems' true goal is to end all border enforcement
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0618/lowry062218.php3#x9LTyf5jYiyVAYDO.99

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 24, 2018, 12:25:22 PM

Trump can’t win with the left
http://www.kansas.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/article213676194.html

according to Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, among some 12,000 minors who have been separated from adults at the border, “10,000 of those currently in custody were sent by their parents with strangers to undertake a completely dangerous and deadly travel alone.”

So 83 percent of the children “yanked from their parents’ arms” by the barbaric Trump, in fact, got split when their parents dispatched them to the U.S. border. This inconvenient truth makes Trump, at most, 17 percent responsible for these child separations.

http://www.kansas.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/article213676194.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on June 24, 2018, 09:36:30 PM

Many of the countries to the south of us have a problem with too many children. They have large families and can not feed all the children. They try to find away to get rid of a few children in hopes to be able to feed the remaining ones. It is sad because it is of no fault of the child. This can be a huge source of immigrate crime. The child often comes to our country with someone who is connected in organized crime and does not get detained. Guess what he doing from age ten? These children can be a much larger problem than most people realizes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 25, 2018, 02:02:08 AM

Often I have suspected that many of the guardians with children are NOT related. The pity is genetic testing is expensive and takes a bit of time. The reality is if you send the families back for a false claim they will try again and again and again.

I think the United States should do more to stabilize the Central American countries. But this involves The United States admitting its consumption of drugs is feeding the violence in Central America. I doubt that will happen soon. But with more States legalizing and taxing drugs the need to 'import' these drugs will diminish.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on June 25, 2018, 04:02:53 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on June 25, 2018, 02:02:08 AM

Often I have suspected that many of the guardians with children are NOT related. The pity is genetic testing is expensive and takes a bit of time. The reality is if you send the families back for a false claim they will try again and again and again.

I think the United States should do more to stabilize the Central American countries. But this involves The United States admitting its consumption of drugs is feeding the violence in Central America. I doubt that will happen soon. But with more States legalizing and taxing drugs the need to 'import' these drugs will diminish.

It’s my impression that the United States and it’s people are well aware that the class A drug consumption has been feeding the violence, corruption & instability. In fact, some of your presidents have run election campaigns promising to tackle it head on, right back to the Escobar era.

Legalising a bit of weeds not going to change anything in that respect though, the money comes from the white powder and that’s how it will remain until they can address it.

Sadly, some folks still seem to think a bit of the old smokes, the devils work. Pretty backward stuff when you lock people up & destroy futures for something of the equivilant of a tin of beer. And then there’s the medical aspect, where we stunt our development because the pharmaceutical co’s are in bed with the government.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 25, 2018, 12:40:51 PM

I'm having a hard time understanding the difference between a restaurant owner denying a person service because they're prejudice against the color of the customers skin OR a restaurant owner denying a person service because they're prejudice against the customers political beliefs. BOTH seem like clear violations of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and resulting court decisions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 25, 2018, 01:12:09 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on June 24, 2018, 12:25:22 PM

Trump can’t win ~~with the left~~

As he is finding out .. starting a Trade war will mean he has some explaining to do to the Harley Davidson workers..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44604280 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44604280)

Like Bush before him ... he is just going to cost jobs ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on June 26, 2018, 06:23:02 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 25, 2018, 12:40:51 PM

I'm having a hard time understanding the difference between a restaurant owner denying a person service because they're prejudice against the color of the customers skin OR a restaurant owner denying a person service because they're prejudice against the customers political beliefs. BOTH seem like clear violations of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and resulting court decisions.

No it's because like most of Trumps administration that speaks to the media, she was booted due to being a lying douche.

Title: Re: Supreme Court upholds Trump's Travel Ban
Post by: leslied on June 26, 2018, 09:51:15 AM

After 18 months of spurious legal challenges, some upheld by partisan liberal judges, the travel ban has been judged to be within the POTUS authority by the Supreme Court.

Prepare for the next battle. Approving sensible immigration legislation. Stemming the torrent of economic migrants and illegals and increasing the quotas for desirable (educated, economically productive) immigrants.

The Democrats will fight a dirty campaign using false news and appeals to emotion. They won't discuss their true motivation - electoral dominance. Another generation of uncontrolled migration will ensure a democrat majority in most states. 90%+ of these people will vote democrat when they are able. That is their long term goal.

Who is going to pay for the welfare of all these ill educated people. Not the liberal elite but hard working Middle and working class Americans. This 'war" will be nasty but Trump needs to win. Otherwise USA will be changed, irreversibly in my view.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 26, 2018, 11:47:04 AM

Quote from: msmoby on June 25, 2018, 01:12:09 PM

As he is finding out .. starting a Trade war will mean he has some explaining to do to the Harley Davidson workers..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44604280 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44604280)

Like Bush before him ... he is just going to cost jobs ...

There is no trade war just a few little tiffs with a few knickers caught
in a twist and Trump will win like he has on everything else. ;D

Do you think Merkel or May would be leaders for more than a week if
they got caught up in a trade war with the USA?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 26, 2018, 12:03:39 PM

Thank you Supreme Court for confirming what everybody who took a Constitutional Law class in college already knew - the President has the unfettered ability to regulate immigration squarely within his Presidential powers. 9th Circuit overturned again as is the case 80% of the time the Supreme Court reviews one of their cases.

The concurring opinion of Justice Thomas was especially telling as it relates to the instance of a single isolated federal district judge making law from the bench. It's worth a read and will not be well received by progressives that "judge shop" to find a judge willing to issue an injunction for political purposes:

"Merits aside, I write separately to address the remedy that the plaintiffs sought and obtained in this case. The District Court imposed an injunction that barred the Government from enforcing the President’s Proclamation against anyone, not just the plaintiffs. Injunctions that prohibit the Executive Branch from applying a law or policy against anyone—often called “universal” or “nationwide” injunctions—have become increasingly common.

District courts, including the one here, have begun imposing universal injunctions without considering their authority to grant such sweeping relief. These injunctions are beginning to take a toll on the federal court system—preventing legal questions from percolating through the federal courts, encouraging forum shopping, and making every case a national emergency for the courts and for the Executive Branch.

I am skeptical that district courts have the authority to enter universal injunctions. These injunctions did not emerge until a century and a half after the founding. And they appear to be inconsistent with longstanding limits on equitable relief and the power of Article III courts. If their popularity continues, this Court must address their legality."

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 26, 2018, 12:08:24 PM

What is the liberal position on immigration? Do they have a single idea
or solution? Their ONLY solution is unlimited immigration.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 26, 2018, 12:40:14 PM

This is not about 'ideas' or policy that it rather it is about hampering the activities of the elected government.

By thinking about the immigration issue you are falling into a trap. You have been programmed to see the framing as one of policy. Until you are able to see this for what it is: sabotage of the government then you will be unable to see what is going on and form a worthwhile opinion as to what is going on.

I am quite sure that Trump and his core admin/advice team understand this. If you look at the text of the executive order about kids and separation I think you will see that the Trump administration is working on what is really going on. HINT: look at the loopholes built into the order. ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 26, 2018, 02:29:26 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on June 26, 2018, 11:47:04 AM

There is no trade war just a few little tiffs with a few knickers caught
in a twist and Trump will win like he has on everything else. ;D

Do you think Merkel or May would be leaders for more than a week if
they got caught up in a trade war with the USA?

Hmm, As you WELL know - the last US President who tried this stunt ( Bush jnr) had his Bro on the phone begging him to call it off ..

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 27, 2018, 10:33:26 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on June 26, 2018, 12:40:14 PM

This is not about 'ideas' or policy that it rather it is about hampering the activities of the elected government.

By thinking about the immigration issue you are falling into a trap. You have been programmed to see the framing as one of policy. Until you are able to see this for what it is: sabotage of the government then you will be unable to see what is going on and form a worthwhile opinion as to what is going on.

I am quite sure that Trump and his core admin/advice team understand this. If you look at the text of the executive order about kids and separation I think you will see that the Trump administration is working on what is really going on. HINT: look at the loopholes built into the order. ;)

While I wholeheartedly believe that the left (and a few on the right) want
to sabotage anything Trump does. I also believe this is the lefts hope to
someday regain the majority in the USA, by importing more lefty voters.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 27, 2018, 10:37:14 AM

The nutters are taking over the DNC. They are killing their chances to take over
the House and they are going to get their butts handed to them in the 2018
Senate races.

A 28-year-old Democratic Socialist just ousted a powerful, 10-term congressman in New York
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-crowley-new-york-14-primary/index.html

COMPILATION: Democrats, Media Figures Glorify Violence Against Trump Supporters

PELOSI DRESSES DOWN REPORTER AFTER ASKING ABOUT YOUNGER POLS WINNING: DON’T GET ‘CARRIED AWAY AS AN EXPERT’
https://news.grabien.com/story-pelosi-snaps-reporter-who-asked-about-younger-candidates-win

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 27, 2018, 10:44:15 AM

Supreme Court deals big setback to labor unions
https://apnews.com/0f83c64b1dd249de9ec89ab85235790a/Supreme-Court-deals-big-setback-to-labor-unions

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 27, 2018, 12:12:05 PM

Anthony Kennedy is retiring (July 31): The Democrats are going to lose
their minds Kennedy was sometimes a swing vote and now Trump will
nominate a conservative.

You might actually see Democrats with stains on the back of their trousers in
the next 24 hours on live TV.

WARNING: The Dems will say some absolutely stupid things. The Dems can't
win in the arena of ideas and logic and debate. The only way they can get
their agenda done is by having the judiciary make up laws out of thin air
and having Trump appoint a conservative is going to kill them. They might
use fire bombs or a human sacrifice and I am only kidding a tiny little bit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on June 27, 2018, 12:52:01 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on June 27, 2018, 10:44:15 AM

Supreme Court deals big setback to labor unions
https://apnews.com/0f83c64b1dd249de9ec89ab85235790a/Supreme-Court-deals-big-setback-to-labor-unions

Wow, not even Netherlands has laws that insane. And we're socialist top to bottom.

Paying for services you don't use, don't want and probably do not benefit from (otherwise youd join that union).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 27, 2018, 01:51:40 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on June 27, 2018, 12:12:05 PM

Anthony Kennedy is retiring (July 31): The Democrats are going to lose
their minds Kennedy was sometimes a swing vote and now Trump will
nominate a conservative.

THIS IS HUGE!

By choosing a young (late 40's/early 50's) age strict constitutionalist judge President Trump has the opportunity to influence the direction of the nation 25-35 years past his Presidency.

I'd say the insider is Judge Kethledge from the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals. He clerked for Kennedy, is 51 and a strict constitutionalist.

Hardiman from the 3rd Circuit and Kavanaugh from the DC Court of Appeals are contenders.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on June 28, 2018, 03:39:40 PM

After the Kennedy replacement ... Ruth Bader Ginsburg is already 85!

Trump might have the ability to have appointed 3 or even 4 SCOTUS justices by the end of his term! (Gorsuch, and replacing Kennedy, RBG, and either Sotomayor or Breyer)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 28, 2018, 10:03:29 PM

The Red Guard Soros Marxist Communist "Progressive" Obamunist Clintonistas rabid leftist SJW BLM b.s. are all out in force just in time for the Midterms and 2020 main events.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

Fear NOT - word is REX84 has already been updated to REX2018/19 and 20 Million battle-hardened veterans and armed and skilled NRA supporters are standing by fully armed and ready to support ICE, Border Patrol, Police and National Guard and Active Duty Military to neutralize any attacks on our borders, our cities and our constitution and bill of rights especially the first and second amendments by subversive leftist traitors.

There will be NO breakup of the United States. There will be NO dissolution of the US Constitution.

The POTUS CiC Fargo speech was a masterwork by a Mega MAGA Alpha Prime consolidating his power and rebuilding our country at an accelerating pace doing God's work and motivating all Patriots to his crystal clear clarion call. I was in the local man cave having a Victory Cigar and watching the Red Sox-Angels Game and the rabid sports fans actually switched it to the Commander in Chief on the Big Screen in rapt attention... The CiC is loved by the Patriot class.

MSM and their hate America First agitating are on the REX list along with all the illegals and radical leftists I assure you.

The Pelosi Schumer Maxine Waters Bernie CBS NBC ABC CNN Naked Communists are in full panic mode and just spewing verbal diarrhea. Their treasonous Hate America Days are numbered.

When the time is right the CiC will give orders to our Generals and Admirals of all six branches and the subversive traitors will have a serious wake-up call and very rough judgment days.

The Obamunist Marxist Communists under the guise of Alinsky Ruled by Radicals Socialist Progressives including Clintons and Mueller their Uranium One bagman and High Treason Co-Conspirator have all tipped their hands to their true agendas - are now out in the open and will be dealt with in due time.

The DoD will not tolerate a Chinese Communist NAFTA and Clinton-Obamunists holdovers subversion of our beloved Country and Constitution. We know where the cancer is and how to cut it out.

Americans are basically hard to distract from BBQs and Summer Sports and the good life but when the call to arms goes out to all Patriots to unite just be armed and ammoed up and ready to answer the call.

Extract from Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith
Paris Nov. 13. 1787.
The people can not be all, & always, well informed. the part which is wrong [. . .] will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13 states independent 11 years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two?

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.

The Mask Is Off: Leftists Embrace The Destruction Of America

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/394389-new-gop-campaign-ad-targets-unhinged-dems

As for four Trump Terms - Don Jr. and Eric are fine lifetime members of the NRA and standing by to stand by. Stay Tuned!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on June 28, 2018, 10:31:32 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 28, 2018, 10:03:29 PM

The Red Guard Soros Marxist Communist "Progressive" Obamunist Clintonistas rabid leftist SJW BLM b.s. are all out in force...

As for four Trump Terms - Don Jr. and Eric are fine lifetime members of the NRA and standing by to stand by. Stay Tuned!

Smokes! Haven't heard from you in a while cufflinks... where've you been?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 28, 2018, 11:58:17 PM

Just when I thought it was going to be a long, hot, boring summer . . . Cuffy is back. :party0011: :popcorn:

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on June 28, 2018, 10:31:32 PM

Smokes! Haven't heard from you in a while cufflinks... where've you been?

A top secret only if you know the correct salute mission!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 29, 2018, 12:46:28 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 28, 2018, 10:03:29 PM

Stay Tuned!

Hey Cuffy,

Welcome back! I haven't seen you around in ages.

I hope all is well with you!

Bill

I'll send you a pm

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 29, 2018, 12:50:04 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 28, 2018, 10:03:29 PM

The Red Guard Soros Marxist Communist "Progressive" Obamunist Clintonistas rabid leftist SJW BLM b.s. are all out in force just in time for the Midterms and 2020 main events.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84

Fear NOT - word is REX84 has already been updated to REX2018/19 and 20 Million battle-hardened veterans and armed and skilled NRA supporters are standing by fully armed and ready to support ICE, Border Patrol, Police and National Guard and Active Duty Military to neutralize any attacks on our borders, our cities and our constitution and bill of rights especially the first and second amendments by subversive leftist traitors.

There will be NO breakup of the United States. There will be NO dissolution of the US Constitution.

The POTUS CiC Fargo speech was a masterwork by a Mega MAGA Alpha Prime consolidating his power and rebuilding our country at an accelerating pace doing God's work and motivating all Patriots to his crystal clear clarion call. I was in the local man cave having a Victory Cigar and watching the Red Sox-Angels Game and the rabid sports fans actually switched it to the Commander in Chief on the Big Screen in rapt attention... The CiC is loved by the Patriot class.

MSM and their hate America First agitating are on the REX list along with all the illegals and radical leftists I assure you.

The Pelosi Schumer Maxine Waters Bernie CBS NBC ABC CNN Naked Communists are in full panic mode and just spewing verbal diarrhea. Their treasonous Hate America Days are numbered.

When the time is right the CiC will give orders to our Generals and Admirals of all six branches and the subversive traitors will have a serious wake-up call and very rough judgment days.

The Obamunist Marxist Communists under the guise of Alinsky Ruled by Radicals Socialist Progressives including Clintons and Mueller their Uranium One bagman and High Treason Co-Conspirator have all tipped their hands to their true agendas - are now out in the open and will be dealt with in due time.

The DoD will not tolerate a Chinese Communist NAFTA and Clinton-Obamunists holdovers subversion of our beloved Country and Constitution. We know where the cancer is and how to cut it out.

Americans are basically hard to distract from BBQs and Summer Sports and the good life but when the call to arms goes out to all Patriots to unite just be armed and ammoed up and ready to answer the call.

Extract from Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith
Paris Nov. 13. 1787.
The people can not be all, & always, well informed. the part which is wrong [. . .] will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13 states independent 11 years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two?

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.

The Mask Is Off: Leftists Embrace The Destruction Of America

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/394389-new-gop-campaign-ad-targets-unhinged-dems

As for four Trump Terms - Don Jr. and Eric are fine lifetime members of the NRA and standing by to stand by. Stay Tuned!

Good to see a post from someone with Patriotic leanings. :laugh:

If it ever comes to civil war it may not be as cut and dry as you describe due to the FBI and other agencies being infiltrated by Obama lovers with Alinsky tendencies.

At one time the list of subversives would be as you described. Nowadays don’t be too surprised if you yourself were labeled a subversive.

Which group would be loyal to Trump and which group would come out on top with their fingers on the trigger of Nukes threatening our own citizens? Keep yourself rural and you’ve got a better chance to be on the winning side.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Index

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 29, 2018, 08:05:10 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on June 28, 2018, 11:58:17 PM

Just when I thought it was going to be a long, hot, boring summer . . . Cuffy is back. :party0011: :popcorn:

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on June 28, 2018, 10:31:32 PM
Smokes! Haven't heard from you in a while cufflinks... where've you been?

A top secret only if you know the correct salute mission!

I was going through old 2017 emails clearing out old flotsam and saw a hey whats up email from shakes... so logged in to three years of new RUA topics posts since I last logged in... can't seem to teach old junkyard dogs new tricks (Moby, Afi et.al.) myself included ;-)

I was rear-ended fully stopped at a stop light several years ago by a decent clean cut kid who was texting his pregnant girlfriend to move her into a house he just bought - he thought the light was Orange! Every joint in my spine from my skull cavity to my tailbone suffered soft tissue impact damage plus I was seeing starz for months, felt like an icepick in the base of my skull and my fingers still tingle with numbness. So brought my FSUW adventures to a full stop also now only able to get the motor running chemically and FSUW tends to frown on men who can only please them while in Levitra-Loca mode! At least the VA charges a reasonable copay on 100mg Viagra but I have to pay for my own 5mg Cialis Jamba Juice Boosts :smokin:

Feeling better now that an epic New England summer is upon us - Life is Good.

Will enjoy a Nice Montecristo white label Victory Cigar and Tullamore Dew whiskey chaser later this evening!

Thanks all for the mostly well wishes.

Cheers,

Mike "Cuffy" Cufflinks

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 29, 2018, 08:54:03 AM

Ya know, Trump's Supreme Count nomination has a good chance on being a woman.

With 50 votes needed to confirm, Republicans cannot afford any defections. Collins from
Maine and Murkowski from Alaska will not vote for a man who is anti-abortion. However
they might well vote for a woman who is anti-abortion.

Democrats Heitkamp from North Dakota and McCaskill from Missouri are in tough re-election
battles and may well feel politically compelled to vote for a woman Supreme Court nominee.

A woman has a good chance of guaranteeing a 53-47 confirmation vote in the Senate.

In that light there are two OUTSTANDING candidates who each clerked for Scalia:

Amy Coney Barrett - on the 7th Circuit - 46years old

Joan Larsen - on the 6th Circuit - 49 years old

Add them to the SERIOUS watch list.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 29, 2018, 10:13:29 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 29, 2018, 08:54:03 AM

A woman has a good chance of guaranteeing a 53-47 confirmation vote in the Senate.

You are adding Joe Manchin, Joe Donelly and Heidi Heitkamp? Don't forget to
subtract John McCain. He would love to play spoiler and get fawning coverage
one last time.

I think Manchin and Heitkamp vote yes but Donelly and McCain vote thumbs
down.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 29, 2018, 11:52:47 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on June 29, 2018, 10:13:29 AM

You are adding Joe Manchin, Joe Donelly and Heidi Heitkamp? Don't forget to
subtract John McCain. He would love to play spoiler and get fawning coverage
one last time.

I think Manchin and Heitkamp vote yes but Donelly and McCain vote thumbs
down.

You do realize that with McCain not attending all the Democrats have to do
to block any nomination is never show up to any sessions of the Senate.
50 members present is required for a quorum.

But such a move would likely be political suicide.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 30, 2018, 11:16:35 AM

Quote from: Slumba on June 28, 2018, 03:39:40 PM

After the Kennedy replacement ... Ruth Bader Ginsburg is already 85!

Trump might have the ability to have appointed 3 or even 4 SCOTUS justices by the end of his term! (Gorsuch, and replacing Kennedy, RBG, and either Sotomayor or Breyer)

Sotomayor would be fanciful. She is one of the younger justices and she is a
direct result of the GOP nominating losers like George HW Bush. Breyer is 79,
but Ruth Buzzi Ginsburg is 85. That old commie will stay on the court until she
dies.

(http://www.framingthedialogue.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/buzzi-ginsburg.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 30, 2018, 11:38:46 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 29, 2018, 11:52:47 AM

You do realize that with McCain not attending all the Democrats have to do
to block any nomination is never show up to any sessions of the Senate.
50 members present is required for a quorum.

But such a move would likely be political suicide.

I've heard of them trying that, but there is no way they will do it.
The Dems are too afraid of what might happen if just one Democrat
that wanted to be reelected showed up. The GOP could pass pretty
much anything they wanted. With a little arm twisting/bribery they
might get somebody like Manchin to switch parties.

There is no precedent for counting the President of the Senate, I'm
not sure what happens when the Vice President shows up.

There are many times when less than 50 senators actually show up, but
the Senate assumes that they have a quorum unless, a vote or Quorum
call is made. With no democrat present (who would make the quorum
call?) they can do stuff like call for voice votes of yea's or nay's and simply
appoint every Trump judge waiting in the wings, balance the budget, eliminate
the department of education or anything else they wanted.

The GOP would have over 60 senators in 2019 if the Dem's tried to pull a
stunt like that. It's nice for a conversation, but they would never trust the
GOP to be running things by themselves. McConnell might be a snake but
he's our snake.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 02, 2018, 07:05:05 AM

President Trump got a hard lesson on "optics" when his order for "zero tolerance"
on the border resulted in pictures of crying children being separated from their
parents caused a reversal of that policy.

Think of the "optics" of five old white men on the Supreme Court ruling that a woman
no longer has the right to terminate a pregnancy.

It's going to be a woman - I'm tellin' ya . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 02, 2018, 09:03:13 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 02, 2018, 07:05:05 AM

President Trump got a hard lesson on "optics" when his order for "zero tolerance"
on the border resulted in pictures of crying children being separated from their
parents caused a reversal of that policy.

First, over half the country supports him on immigration and blames the parents. Don't get confused by the deranged leftoid media - oh, and the the left doesn't give a shit about the kids, they care only about their feelings.

Quote from: shakespear on July 02, 2018, 07:05:05 AM

Think of the "optics" of five old white men on the Supreme Court ruling that a woman
no longer has the right to terminate a pregnancy.

Clarence Thomas would be surprised to discover that he's white, now....

Quote from: shakespear on July 02, 2018, 07:05:05 AM

It's going to be a woman - I'm tellin' ya . . . . . . . . . .

Amy Coney Barrett would have the inside track in that case - Sanders and Feinstein HATE her because she's a Catholic who actually believes in God. Should be a helluva fight.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 02, 2018, 09:25:35 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 02, 2018, 09:03:13 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 02, 2018, 07:05:05 AM
President Trump got a hard lesson on "optics" when his order for "zero tolerance"
on the border resulted in pictures of crying children being separated from their
parents caused a reversal of that policy.

First, over half the country supports him on immigration and blames the parents. Don't get confused by the deranged leftoid media - oh, and the the left doesn't give a shit about the kids, they care only about their feelings.

Definitely over half the country blames the parents, the fuggin’ media lies and twists opinion polls to make Trump look bad every chance they get. Your last statement has me a bit confused — they only care about their feelings? I think they only care about future votes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 02, 2018, 09:45:04 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 02, 2018, 09:25:35 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 02, 2018, 09:03:13 AM
Quote from: shakespear on July 02, 2018, 07:05:05 AM
President Trump got a hard lesson on "optics" when his order for "zero tolerance"
on the border resulted in pictures of crying children being separated from their
parents caused a reversal of that policy.

First, over half the country supports him on immigration and blames the parents. Don't get confused by the deranged leftoid media - oh, and the the left doesn't give a shit about the kids, they care only about their feelings.

Definitely over half the country blames the parents, the fuggin’ media lies and twists opinion polls to make Trump look bad every chance they get. Your last statement has me a bit confused — they only care about their feelings? I think they only care about future votes.

In the short term, it's moral signalling, i.e. their own self-regard.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 02, 2018, 10:10:35 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 02, 2018, 09:45:04 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 02, 2018, 09:25:35 AM
Quote from: B.B. on July 02, 2018, 09:03:13 AM
Quote from: shakespear on July 02, 2018, 07:05:05 AM
President Trump got a hard lesson on "optics" when his order for "zero tolerance"
on the border resulted in pictures of crying children being separated from their
parents caused a reversal of that policy.

First, over half the country supports him on immigration and blames the parents. Don't get confused by the deranged leftoid media - oh, and the the left doesn't give a shit about the kids, they care only about their feelings.

Definitely over half the country blames the parents, the fuggin’ media lies and twists opinion polls to make Trump look bad every chance they get. Your last statement has me a bit confused — they only care about their feelings? I think they only care about future votes.

In the short term, it's moral signalling, i.e. their own self-regard.

B/B

Got it. Look at us we “care” about refugee kids. Never mind the 700,000 American kids born here living in shelters or on the streets. :sick0012:

This from the White House daily email:

Vice President Mike Pence and Second Lady Karen Pence returned home Friday from a trip last week to South and Central America. "Productive discussions on isolating Venezuela's brutal dictatorship and on solving the crisis of illegal immigration on our southern border," the Vice President tweeted.

Three Central American leaders—Presidents Jimmy Morales of Guatemala, Salvador Sanchez Ceren of El Salvador, and Juan Orlando Hernandez of Honduras—met with Vice President Pence Thursday to discuss the burgeoning migrant crisis. "I say with great respect to the Presidents gathered here: This exodus must end," Vice President Pence said. "Just as we respect your borders and your sovereignty, we insist that you respect ours."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 02, 2018, 12:18:33 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 02, 2018, 09:03:13 AM

Amy Coney Barrett would have the inside track in that case - Sanders and Feinstein HATE her because she's a Catholic who actually believes in God. Should be a helluva fight.

B/B

Yep. Her and Joan Larsen have to be high on the list

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 02, 2018, 12:20:20 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 02, 2018, 09:03:13 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 02, 2018, 07:05:05 AM
President Trump got a hard lesson on "optics" when his order for "zero tolerance"
on the border resulted in pictures of crying children being separated from their
parents caused a reversal of that policy.

First, over half the country supports him on immigration and blames the parents. Don't get confused by the deranged leftoid media - oh, and the the left doesn't give a shit about the kids, they care only about their feelings.

B/B

Shakey ALWAYS believes the media spin on things.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 02, 2018, 12:49:22 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 02, 2018, 12:20:20 PM

Shakey ALWAYS believes the media spin on things.

{sigh} Bill if you can honestly tell me that you don't believe that the pictures in
the press of crying children didn't had anything to do with the President issuing his
"revised" Executive Order modifying the Justice Departments zero tolerance enforcement
policy then I question your perception of reality.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on July 03, 2018, 04:20:06 PM

Quote

He wrote: “The world is laughing at us,’ says Trump, before proposing the Fart Act.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-set-abandon-fundamental-105841137.html

I think the world is going to laugh even louder when the gas is expelled out. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 03, 2018, 08:48:44 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 02, 2018, 12:49:22 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 02, 2018, 12:20:20 PM
Shakey ALWAYS believes the media spin on things.

{sigh} Bill if you can honestly tell me that you don't believe that the pictures in
the press of crying children didn't had anything to do with the President issuing his
"revised" Executive Order modifying the Justice Departments zero tolerance enforcement
policy then I question your perception of reality.

You've totally bought into the Trump losing to Hillary, the blue wave
that's coming in 2018, and the impeachment that follows.

Having said that, the press staged some of those crying photos. Claiming
that the child was separated from their parent when they weren't.

What's your solution apart from hand wringing?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 03, 2018, 11:01:31 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 03, 2018, 08:48:44 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 02, 2018, 12:49:22 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on July 02, 2018, 12:20:20 PM
Shakey ALWAYS believes the media spin on things.

{sigh} Bill if you can honestly tell me that you don't believe that the pictures in
the press of crying children didn't had anything to do with the President issuing his
"revised" Executive Order modifying the Justice Departments zero tolerance enforcement
policy then I question your perception of reality.

You've totally bought into the Trump losing to Hillary, the blue wave
that's coming in 2018, and the impeachment that follows.

Having said that, the press staged some of those crying photos. Claiming
that the child was separated from their parent when they weren't.

What's your solution apart from hand wringing?

The Dems have shot themselves in the foot on this issue and so many others. They’re completely unhinged.

Red wave 2018 and 2020.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 04, 2018, 10:51:32 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 03, 2018, 11:01:31 PM

The Dems have shot themselves in the foot on this issue and so many others. They’re completely unhinged.

Red wave 2018 and 2020.

Yes, I think the unhinged radical angry mob is now the face of the DNC
and that is going to hurt them. The DNC and the hard left sycophants in
the media who deify the likes of radical socialist Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
who won a primary election defeating the incumbent, Democratic Caucus
Chair Joseph Crowley, in a landslide who was DNC royalty until he
was sent packing.

Ocasio-Cortez supports abolishing the ICE, calling it "a product of the
Bush-era Patriot Act legislation" and "an enforcement agency that takes
on more of a paramilitary tone every single day".

She has called immigration detention centers operated by the Department
of Homeland Security "black sites", citing limited public access to those
locations.

This is the new face of the DNC and the orgasmic media reporting about her
isn't going to help candidates running outside of the Red Diaper doper baby
communities.

This little commie chick and Maxine Waters are the face of the Democrat
party. I don't think it will play as well in Peoria or Des Moines as it does in
Berkeley or Greenwich Village.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 04, 2018, 02:49:48 PM

Even More Winning... Of course, the radical lunatic leftists and assorted Obamunist Progressive Marxist Communists are all now suffering the Vapors. Pun intended.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adminis...41137.html

Trump administration set to abandon fundamental WTO rules after devising bill called the FART Act
The Independent Chris Baynes, The Independent•July 2, 2018

Donald Trump’s administration has drafted a bill that proposes abandoning fundamental principles of the World Trade Organisation (WTO).

The Fair and Reciprocal Tariff Act, dubbed the Fart Act, would give the president licence to raise tariffs without congressional consent and sidestep international rules.

The legislation, reportedly ordered by Mr Trump himself, would mark an extraordinary shift in trade policy, allowing the US to raise tariffs above ceilings agreed by WTO countries and set different rates for individual nations outside of free trade agreements...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 04, 2018, 07:29:13 PM

WINNING! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOH-pTd_nk)

:chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 05, 2018, 07:57:39 AM

Looks like somebody has started a "takedown" move on Jim Jordan, prominent leader of the Freedom Caucus.

https://sports.yahoo.com/ex-wrestler-says-rep-jim-jordan-witnessed-lewd-shower-acts-coach-ohio-state-001134484.html

Wonder who is pulling the puppet strings on this? Democrats, Never Trumpsters or Pro Trumpsters?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 05, 2018, 09:21:09 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 05, 2018, 07:57:39 AM

Looks like somebody has started a "takedown" move on Jim Jordan, prominent leader of the Freedom Caucus.

https://sports.yahoo.com/ex-wrestler-says-rep-jim-jordan-witnessed-lewd-shower-acts-coach-ohio-state-001134484.html

Wonder who is pulling the puppet strings on this? Democrats, Never Trumpsters or Pro Trumpsters?

It is the same strategy they pulled on Roy Moore... I doubt that this time it will hold. The coach committed suicide long ago, which effectively closes the issue. Between Roy Moore and the railroading of Joe Paterno (a sore spot with me, since it seems obvious it was a coverup and JoePa was just a scapegoat to save the hides of the pedophile ring)... people have become more skeptical.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 05, 2018, 09:47:46 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 04, 2018, 07:29:13 PM

WINNING! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOH-pTd_nk)

:chuckle:

B/B

Are you finally fully onboard the Trump train? :chuckle:

As I recall you were not voting for him in 2016.

I think his choice of Gorsuch and how the economy is doing has given him a lot of cred. Hopefully he doesn’t blow economic gains with trade “negotiations”. Another pick similar to Gorsuch come next Monday and he’s a hero.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 05, 2018, 11:12:23 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 02, 2018, 09:03:13 AM

Amy Coney Barrett would have the inside track in that case - Sanders and Feinstein HATE her because she's a Catholic who actually believes in God. Should be a helluva fight.

B/B

Quote from: shakespear on July 02, 2018, 07:05:05 AM

It's going to be a woman - I'm tellin' ya . . . . . . . . . .

The media obviously agrees with both of you and they have already started
trying to tear her apart with obviously fake news.

The liberals HATE her
1. She's a woman and not a lefty (unexcusable)
2. She has 7 children (bad for the planet)
3. She is Catholic (the pope might call her about Roe v Wade)
4. She went to Notre Dame (not Harvard she must be a lightweight)
5. She is not ugly (So she must be a lightweight)

They must destroy her! If they let a woman succeed who isn't a leftist
then others might follow her path!

(https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1440,w_2560,x_0,y_0/dpr_2.0/c_limit,w_740/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1530558831/180702-lewis-Amy-Coney-Barrett-tease_lwlihm)

Liberals Target Judge Amy Coney Barrett

Susan Collins’s grand delusion
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2018/07/02/susan-collinss-grand-delusion/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3bb628e0d83f

The Center for American Progress Invents a Decision by Amy Coney Barrett
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/amy-coney-barrett-center-american-progess-lies/

Two Key Pro-Democratic Groups Push False Claims About Amy Barrett
https://www.dailywire.com/news/32587/two-key-pro-democratic-groups-push-false-claims-hank-berrien

CNN’S CHRIS CILLIZZA GETS DRAGGED FOR TWEET ABOUT AMY CONEY BARRETT’S ‘APPEARANCE’
http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/02/cnn-chris-cillizza-amy-coney-barrett/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 05, 2018, 11:22:14 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 05, 2018, 11:12:23 AM

The liberals HATE her
1. She's a woman and not a lefty (unexcusable)
2. She has 7 children (bad for the planet)
3. She is Catholic (the pope might call her about Roe v Wade)
4. She went to Notre Dame (not Harvard she must be a lightweight)
5. She is not ugly (So she must be a lightweight)

They must destroy her! If they let a woman succeed who isn't a leftist
then others might follow her path!

Ahem.

If you check I believe I accurately predicted the "final three" on this board

:party0031:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 05, 2018, 11:36:39 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 05, 2018, 11:22:14 AM

Ahem.

If you check I believe I accurately predicted the "final three" on this board

:party0031:

I was still editing my post when you quoted me. I added 4 media articles a
photo and several comments.

Shakey, I've never said that you don't hit the bulls eye from time to time.
Our political views aren't far apart. I am just far more skeptical and cynical
of whatever the prevailing wisdom/conventional wisdom crowd thinks.

You've correctly predicted? Has it been reported?

Another article
NAACP Falsely Claims Potential Trump SCOTUS Nominee Ruled Against Black Worker’s ‘Separate-but-Equal’ Claim

http://freebeacon.com/politics/naacp-falsely-claims-potential-trump-scotus-nominee-ruled-black-workers-separate-equal-claim/

Edit to add:
Time magazine is calling the following a final three

Amy Coney Barrett, Brett Kavanaugh and Raymond Kethledge

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 05, 2018, 12:10:38 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 05, 2018, 11:36:39 AM

You've correctly predicted? Has it been reported?

Final three?

Yep

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.msg480709.html#msg480709

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.msg480773.html#msg480773

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.msg480818.html#msg480818

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 05, 2018, 03:04:01 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 05, 2018, 12:10:38 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 05, 2018, 11:36:39 AM

You've correctly predicted? Has it been reported?

Final three?

Yep

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.msg480709.html#msg480709

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.msg480773.html#msg480773

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.msg480818.html#msg480818

You misunderstood my question, your final three picks were

Amy Coney Barrett - on the 7th Circuit - 46years old
Joan Larsen - on the 6th Circuit - 49 years old
Judge Kethledge from the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals

Has it been reported/confirmed in the News that those are Trumps
final three list as well?

Time magazine is calling the following Trumps final three

Amy Coney Barrett, Brett Kavanaugh and Raymond Kethledge

So is the AP
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-source-pence-met-supreme-court-contenders-043447870--politics.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 05, 2018, 03:49:02 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 27, 2018, 01:51:40 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on June 27, 2018, 12:12:05 PM
Anthony Kennedy is retiring (July 31): The Democrats are going to lose
their minds Kennedy was sometimes a swing vote and now Trump will
nominate a conservative.

THIS IS HUGE!

By choosing a young (late 40's/early 50's) age strict constitutionalist judge President Trump has the opportunity to influence the direction of the nation 25-35 years past his Presidency.

I'd say the insider is Judge Kethledge from the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals. He clerked for Kennedy, is 51 and a strict constitutionalist.

Hardiman from the 3rd Circuit and Kavanaugh from the DC Court of Appeals are contenders.

Pretty amazing psychic powers Shakespeare!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 05, 2018, 04:08:33 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 05, 2018, 09:47:46 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 04, 2018, 07:29:13 PM
WINNING! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOH-pTd_nk)

:chuckle:

B/B

Are you finally fully onboard the Trump train? :chuckle:

As I recall you were not voting for him in 2016.

I think his choice of Gorsuch and how the economy is doing has given him a lot of cred. Hopefully he doesn’t blow economic gains with trade “negotiations”. Another pick similar to Gorsuch come next Monday and he’s a hero.

I did not vote for him in the primary, I voted for him in then general, because F*ck That Bitch.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on July 05, 2018, 05:51:32 PM

Quote

The ‘Trump Baby’ Crowdfunder campaign has raised over £17K to make the “inflatable baby with a malevolent face and tiny hands fly over central London during Trump’s UK visit.”

:ROFL:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-baby-balloon-gets-ok-165037537.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on July 06, 2018, 01:50:58 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 05, 2018, 11:12:23 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 02, 2018, 09:03:13 AM
Amy Coney Barrett would have the inside track in that case - Sanders and Feinstein HATE her because she's a Catholic who actually believes in God. Should be a helluva fight.

B/B

Quote from: shakespear on July 02, 2018, 07:05:05 AM
It's going to be a woman - I'm tellin' ya . . . . . . . . . .

The media obviously agrees with both of you and they have already started
trying to tear her apart with obviously fake news.

The liberals HATE her
1. She's a woman and not a lefty (unexcusable)
2. She has 7 children (bad for the planet)
3. She is Catholic (the pope might call her about Roe v Wade)
4. She went to Notre Dame (not Harvard she must be a lightweight)
5. She is not ugly (So she must be a lightweight)

They must destroy her! If they let a woman succeed who isn't a leftist
then others might follow her path!

(https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1440,w_2560,x_0,y_0/dpr_2.0/c_limit,w_740/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1530558831/180702-lewis-Amy-Coney-Barrett-tease_lwlihm)

Liberals Target Judge Amy Coney Barrett

Susan Collins’s grand delusion
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2018/07/02/susan-collinss-grand-delusion/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3bb628e0d83f

The Center for American Progress Invents a Decision by Amy Coney Barrett
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/amy-coney-barrett-center-american-progess-lies/

Two Key Pro-Democratic Groups Push False Claims About Amy Barrett
https://www.dailywire.com/news/32587/two-key-pro-democratic-groups-push-false-claims-hank-berrien

CNN’S CHRIS CILLIZZA GETS DRAGGED FOR TWEET ABOUT AMY CONEY BARRETT’S ‘APPEARANCE’
http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/02/cnn-chris-cillizza-amy-coney-barrett/

Number 3 pretty much explains number 2 then!

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 06, 2018, 11:16:27 AM

Quote from: rosco on July 06, 2018, 01:50:58 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 05, 2018, 11:12:23 AM

The liberals HATE her
1. She's a woman and not a lefty (inexcusable)
2. She has 7 children (bad for the planet)
3. She is Catholic (the pope might call her about Roe v Wade)
4. She went to Notre Dame (not Harvard she must be a lightweight)
5. She is not ugly (So she must be a lightweight)

They must destroy her! If they let a woman succeed who isn't a leftist
then others might follow her path!

Number 3 pretty much explains number 2 then!

Number 3 explains number 2 & 4 (Notre Dame is a Catholic University)

I did look around the internet to see if her body looked lumpy after
carrying 7 offspring but couldn't find any photos to tell one way or
another.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 06, 2018, 12:01:17 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 05, 2018, 04:08:33 PM

I did not vote for him in the primary, I voted for him in then general, because F*ck That Bitch.

B/B

When the whole think started I had Trump as my 6th choice but I kept
moving him up the ladder. I never had him in front of Ted Cruz, Rand
Paul or Marco Rubio. If Jeb had won the primary I wasn't going to
vote. I was sick and tired of nominating moderate losers who wouldn't
fight back. That's my favorite thing about Trump is that he fights back.

The libertarian candidate was too liberal to vote for.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 06, 2018, 04:29:30 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 05, 2018, 12:10:38 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 05, 2018, 11:36:39 AM

You've correctly predicted? Has it been reported?

Final three?

Yep

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.msg480709.html#msg480709

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.msg480773.html#msg480773

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,24412.msg480818.html#msg480818

And then there's this one... :chuckle:

(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/36639866_10211149250187374_866465916316024832_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=c6ef3c65cfc6953f1050c3cb6a92216f&oe=5BD47F72)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 07, 2018, 01:02:14 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 02, 2018, 07:05:05 AM

President Trump got a hard lesson on "optics" when his order for "zero tolerance"
on the border resulted in pictures of crying children being separated from their
parents caused a reversal of that policy.
. . . .

From the National Review
"Clearly, President Trump is doing the same thing with immigration. And,
frankly, I’m not convinced he’s failing. The child-separation policy was
seriously unpopular, which is why the administration backed down. But
on immigration in general, Trump has a winning hand — and he knows it.

Per CBS, almost half of Americans (48 percent) believe that illegal immigrant families should be released “back to their home country together.” This is
compared to just 21 percent — about the same number as want to repeal
the Second Amendment — who want the government to “release the entire
family in the U.S. temporarily and require that they report back for a hearing
later.”

The question of child separation was complex, and, in all honesty, somewhat marginal to the broader debate. The question of what to do with illegal
immigrants in general is both simple and fundamental. The very second that
Trump backed down on the specific, he started to win again on the general.

Increasingly, the Democratic party is adopting an immigration position that
if followed to its conclusion leads to de facto, if not de jure, “open borders.”
Trump knows this, and he knows he can count on the #Resistance to keep
the topic in the news.

Which brings me to a question: What the hell are his opponents thinking?
Have they not noticed that their hysteria is mostly being ignored? Have
they not started to worry that, worse, it might be having the opposite
effect to the one intended? Do they not care that Trump’s approval is now
where Ronald Reagan’s was, and where Bill Clinton’s was, and where Barack Obama’s was at the same point in their territories?

That the generic ballot lead has shrunk again? Are they not aware that,
when voters start to fear violence, mass-protest, and incipient mob rule,
they vote for Republicans, not Democrats?

read the entire article here
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-approval-rating-democrat-overreaction-drives-popularity/

My opinion:

The Democrats think they need to keep the immigration topic in the news
and they're saying really dumb things like "Let's abolish ICE" and that the
"entire family should just be released" and the media is fanning the flames.

Prominent democrats are saying things that will deeply hurt their chances
outside of their democrat strongholds. They think they have a winner and
it's really not.

Who thinks that rhetoric will help Tester in Montana or Heitkamp in North
Dakota or even Stabenow in Michigan or Casey in Pennsylvania? Now each
of those Senators now must give an opinion on both removing ice and catch
and release and give their opposition something to criticize them about and
the possibility they say something really stupid. Elections have been turned
around on a dime by less (usually by Republicans).

Now the Dems will get their chance to do the same.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 07, 2018, 01:03:51 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 06, 2018, 04:29:30 PM

And then there's this one... :chuckle:

Excellent!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 07, 2018, 05:16:47 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 06, 2018, 12:01:17 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 05, 2018, 04:08:33 PM
I did not vote for him in the primary, I voted for him in then general, because F*ck That Bitch.

B/B

When the whole think started I had Trump as my 6th choice but I kept
moving him up the ladder. I never had him in front of Ted Cruz, Rand
Paul or Marco Rubio. If Jeb had won the primary I wasn't going to
vote. I was sick and tired of nominating moderate losers who wouldn't
fight back. That's my favorite thing about Trump is that he fights back.

Amen! The enemy of my enemy is Trump! :party0031:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 07, 2018, 06:50:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 05, 2018, 03:49:02 PM

Pretty amazing psychic powers Shakespeare!

Did he buy a winning lottery ticket?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 07, 2018, 09:30:01 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 07, 2018, 01:02:14 AM

Which brings me to a question: What the hell are his opponents thinking?
Have they not noticed that their hysteria is mostly being ignored? Have
they not started to worry that, worse, it might be having the opposite
effect to the one intended?

The thing about the Left is that there is nothing more important to them than their own self-image and self-regard. They are the "Best" people....and for them to be the "Best" that means someone else must be the "Worst" and the "Worst" must be someone they can look down on without being "RACIST!" or "BIGOTS!", which pretty much leaves non-liberal whites.

They don't give a shit about due process anymore, and any dissent, even if it's only a 1-2% divergence from the liberal Accepted Narrative, is punishable by ostracization. And it's only going to get worse. Just this past week a 30 y.o. attacked a 16 y.o. for wearing MAGA hat. Dissent (from the liberal POV) is now a crime that lib vigilantes feel they must punish.

Anyway, the "Never Trump" Right have have come around to Trump because he's hated by the right people. :chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 07, 2018, 07:23:47 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 07, 2018, 09:30:01 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 07, 2018, 01:02:14 AM
Which brings me to a question: What the hell are his opponents thinking?
Have they not noticed that their hysteria is mostly being ignored? Have
they not started to worry that, worse, it might be having the opposite
effect to the one intended?

The thing about the Left is that there is nothing more important to them than their own self-image and self-regard. They are the "Best" people....and for them to be the "Best" that means someone else must be the "Worst" and the "Worst" must be someone they can look down on without being "RACIST!" or "BIGOTS!", which pretty much leaves non-liberal whites.

They don't give a shit about due process anymore, and any dissent, even if it's only a 1-2% divergence from the liberal Accepted Narrative, is punishable by ostracization. And it's only going to get worse. Just this past week a 30 y.o. attacked a 16 y.o. for wearing MAGA hat. Dissent (from the liberal POV) is now a crime that lib vigilantes feel they must punish.

Anyway, the "Never Trump" Right have have come around to Trump because he's hated by the right people. :chuckle:

B/B

For those who are not in the United States MAGA = Make American Great Again. There have been a number of events where members of the Trump Cabinet or those who support D. Trump have been denied service or even attacked. This is partially being led by a rather hate filled member of Congress named M. Waters. She is the village idiot who escaped to Congress in my opinion.

This is a guess the politically correct Democratic (liberal/socialist) viewpoint is still swinging to the left but has almost reached its zenith (but perhaps one should say nadir). I suspect the 'event horizon' will happen after the midterm elections.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 07, 2018, 09:39:34 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 07, 2018, 09:30:01 AM

Just this past week a 30 y.o. attacked a 16 y.o. for wearing MAGA hat. Dissent (from the liberal POV) is now a crime that lib vigilantes feel they must punish.
B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on July 08, 2018, 02:00:19 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 07, 2018, 09:39:34 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 07, 2018, 09:30:01 AM
Just this past week a 30 y.o. attacked a 16 y.o. for wearing MAGA hat. Dissent (from the liberal POV) is now a crime that lib vigilantes feel they must punish.
B/B
[video]

I sure as hell hope these incidents are just that, because if this escalates it would turn into civil war and then the libs will quickly realise just what owning your guns means to the non-city guys.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on July 08, 2018, 06:12:09 AM

Quote from: Markje on July 08, 2018, 02:00:19 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 07, 2018, 09:39:34 PM
Quote from: B.B. on July 07, 2018, 09:30:01 AM
Just this past week a 30 y.o. attacked a 16 y.o. for wearing MAGA hat. Dissent (from the liberal POV) is now a crime that lib vigilantes feel they must punish.
B/B
[video]
I sure as hell hope these incidents are just that, because if this escalates it would turn into civil war and then the libs will quickly realise just what owning your guns means to the non-city guys.

For some reason it reminds me of the 1968 Chicago democratic convention riots.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 08, 2018, 11:10:06 AM

Hillary is fundraising, collecting money from gullible snowflakes.
Why would anybody give Hillary money? What would her cut be?
Why would you want her to be the face of your _________ (enter
your leftist position here)

Is she running for something? Does anybody believe that she won't
keep a chunk of the money for herself?

Hillary Clinton
(https://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Hillary+Clinton+Hillary+Clinton+Signs+Copies+wAWEsfKgtXXl.jpg)
https://nypost.com/2018/07/07/is-hillary-clinton-secretly-planning-to-run-in-2020/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 08, 2018, 11:14:30 AM

Quote from: Markje on July 08, 2018, 02:00:19 AM

I sure as hell hope these incidents are just that, because if this escalates it would turn into civil war and then the libs will quickly realise just what owning your guns means to the non-city guys.

I think that attacking skinny teenagers, women or property is probably more
in their wheelhouse. Going against people with guns or even people who
would fight back requires more stones than they possess.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 08, 2018, 11:28:10 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 08, 2018, 11:10:06 AM

Hillary is fundraising, collecting money from gullible snowflakes.
Why would anybody give Hillary money? What would her cut be?
Why would you want her to be the face of your _________ (enter
your leftist position here)

Is she running for something? Does anybody believe that she won't
keep a chunk of the money for herself?

Hillary Clinton
(https://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Hillary+Clinton+Hillary+Clinton+Signs+Copies+wAWEsfKgtXXl.jpg)
https://nypost.com/2018/07/07/is-hillary-clinton-secretly-planning-to-run-in-2020/

We know, it is objectively true, that Hillary uses body doubles.

She used one in the aftermath of her "pneumonia" where she was seen completely unable to stand and being thrown into her van/ambulance like a side of beef, on 9/11 in 2016 - that famous video shot by an onlooker.

So what if "Hillary!" becomes a brand and the real Hillary dies or is incapacitated - the money could continue to flow via body doubles, even if the real Hillary is hooked up to an iron lung somewhere. Just a thought!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 08, 2018, 12:14:19 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 08, 2018, 11:14:30 AM

Quote from: Markje on July 08, 2018, 02:00:19 AM
I sure as hell hope these incidents are just that, because if this escalates it would turn into civil war and then the libs will quickly realise just what owning your guns means to the non-city guys.

I think that attacking skinny teenagers, women or property is probably more
in their wheelhouse. Going against people with guns or even people who
would fight back requires more stones than they possess.

Here’s what happened to an Antifa commie scum puke in Portland, Oregon.

Notice the Antifa coward had a weapon, his opponent who knocked him out did not.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on July 08, 2018, 08:58:43 PM

Here’s what happened to an Antifa commie scum puke in Portland, Oregon.

Notice the Antifa coward had a weapon, his opponent who knocked him out did not.

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Antifa has links to the old communist party. These are the seeds that were planted before the gardeners (KGB) left this earth. A lot of universities in the US have the same problem with communist leaning professors. The problem is these professors are hard and almost impossible to fire because they are tenured. Better to spend money on a community college or just get started in a trade apprenticeship than to hand over thousands of dollars in student loans to pay for the communist professors.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 09, 2018, 05:13:43 PM

Quote from: Slumba on July 08, 2018, 11:28:10 AM

We know, it is objectively true, that Hillary uses body doubles.

She used one in the aftermath of her "pneumonia" where she was seen completely unable to stand and being thrown into her van/ambulance like a side of beef, on 9/11 in 2016 - that famous video shot by an onlooker.

So what if "Hillary!" becomes a brand and the real Hillary dies or is incapacitated - the money could continue to flow via body doubles, even if the real Hillary is hooked up to an iron lung somewhere. Just a thought!

The weekend at Bernie's scenario?
(Note this scenario stolen fair and square from B.B.)

(https://resizing.flixster.com/8cxgp9k2LX-ff94JgERFDDgQs1s=/300x300/v1.bjsxODE0Njk7ajsxNzczMjsxMjAwOzIwNDg7MTUzNg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 09, 2018, 05:21:37 PM

Quote from: Slumba on July 08, 2018, 11:28:10 AM

So what if "Hillary!"

Bill and Hillary NEVER travel together, NEVER fly coach and NEVER even
spend time in the same house together, but then they fly coach together?

VIDEO: Hillary keeps distance from Deplorables as she flies commercial
Is Hillary attempting to fashion herself as just one of the people in preparation for a 2020 presidential run?

Bill and Hillary Clinton were forced to fly with the unwashed masses recently, according to video posted on Twitter.
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-bill-and-hillary-clinton-spotted-flying-on-commercial-plane/

Is she back? Talk emerges that Hillary Clinton is plotting her 2020 comeback and prepping to take on Donald Trump a second time

Hillary Clinton has ramped her public presence and fundraising appeals
She has been outspoken about President Trump's 'zero tolerance' immigration
policy and raised $1.5 million for various groups

Clinton's next scheduled public appearance is at the third annual Ozy Fest
that takes place July 21 and 22 in Central Park Multiple Democrats have
stoked the 2020 speculation fires with talk of challenging Trump in two years
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5931169/Talk-emerges-Hillary-Clinton-plotting-2020-comeback-prepping-Trump-rematch.html

Is Hillary Clinton secretly planning to run in 2020?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/07/08/is-hillary-clinton-secretly-planning-to-run-in-2020.html

Dem strategist: Rumors of Hillary 2020 run are a ‘pipe dream’
http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/396098-dem-strategist-rumors-of-hillary-2020-run-are-a-pipe-dream

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on July 09, 2018, 06:20:26 PM

Quote from: yankee on July 08, 2018, 06:12:09 AM

Quote from: Markje on July 08, 2018, 02:00:19 AM
Quote from: 2tallbill on July 07, 2018, 09:39:34 PM
Quote from: B.B. on July 07, 2018, 09:30:01 AM
Just this past week a 30 y.o. attacked a 16 y.o. for wearing MAGA hat. Dissent (from the liberal POV) is now a crime that lib vigilantes feel they must punish.
B/B
[video]
I sure as hell hope these incidents are just that, because if this escalates it would turn into civil war and then the libs will quickly realise just what owning your guns means to the non-city guys.

For some reason it reminds me of the 1968 Chicago democratic convention riots.

If you add war demonstrators and assassinations, then things will turn really ugly. :-\

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 09, 2018, 06:38:51 PM

25 minutes to go. If the Demonrats want to try and start some trouble now is the time. I’ll be a spectator and cheer when the fools are arrested for sedition.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/07/09/4-red-state-democrats-turn-down-trump-invitation-to-scotus-pick-announcement.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 09, 2018, 07:13:10 PM

So Trumps next pick for the Supreme Court is Brett Kavanaugh. I’m not thrilled with the pick for two reasons: Rand Paul wasn’t thrilled about him and he came up via George Bush Jr. Anyone remotely close to that crook makes me nervous.

I wanted Amy Coney Barrett who would have worked to overturn Roe vs. Wade.

Maybe he was picked because his opinions on Roe vs. Wade are not really well known.

Time will tell, let’s wait and see if he can first be confirmed by Congress.

ANY Conservative is 10 times better than what a Democratic President would pick.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 10, 2018, 08:42:14 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2018, 07:13:10 PM

So Trumps next pick for the Supreme Court is Brett Kavanaugh. I’m not thrilled with the pick for two reasons: Rand Paul wasn’t thrilled about him and he came up via George Bush Jr. Anyone remotely close to that crook makes me nervous.

ANY Conservative is 10 times better than what a Democratic President would pick.

He was my least favorite of the 4 as well.

If you want to understand why he might have been selected over the other three
read some of his published opinions on whether a sitting President can be indicted
while in office. In fact, he recommended that Congress should pass a law making
it illegal to charge a sitting President either civil or criminally with a crime.

The selection might have been a bit self-serving.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 10, 2018, 09:59:00 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 10, 2018, 08:42:14 AM

The selection might have been a bit self-serving.

Shakey reading whatever the New York Times spits out and deciding that it's
a fact. I know you have a brain and that you can use it. Don't let others do
your thinking for you.

The man also helped write up a report with Starr that lead to Clinton's
impeachment. He said that impeachment is the best remedy when a
president breaks the law. How is it self serving to get impeached? It
would bog down the entire administration for a year at least.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 10, 2018, 10:20:27 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 10, 2018, 09:59:00 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 10, 2018, 08:42:14 AM
The selection might have been a bit self-serving.

Shakey reading whatever the New York Times spits out and deciding that it's
a fact. I know you have a brain and that you can use it. Don't let others do
your thinking for you.

The man also helped write up a report with Starr that lead to Clinton's
impeachment. He said that impeachment is the best remedy when a
president breaks the law. How is it self serving to get impeached? It
would bog down the entire administration for a year at least.

Years later is when he decided a President is unique and cannot be impeached. I agree with Shakespeare.

However I think the number one reason he was chosen is the belief that he could be confirmed whereas someone like Coney Barrett would not be confirmed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 10, 2018, 10:24:43 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 10, 2018, 10:20:27 AM

Years later is when he decided a President is unique and cannot be impeached. I agree with Shakespeare.

However I think the number one reason he was chosen is the belief that he could be confirmed whereas someone like Coney Barrett would not be confirmed.

I agree. However when presented with equal choices, I think it was easy for
him to select the one with a published opinion backing his stand against the
Mueller investigation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 10, 2018, 11:14:57 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 10, 2018, 10:24:43 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 10, 2018, 10:20:27 AM

Years later is when he decided a President is unique and cannot be impeached. I agree with Shakespeare.

However I think the number one reason he was chosen is the belief that he could be confirmed whereas someone like Coney Barrett would not be confirmed.

I agree. However when presented with equal choices, I think it was easy for
him to select the one with a published opinion backing his stand against the
Mueller investigation.

Trump wins again, he finds a way to pardon himself without pardoning himself! ????????

:ROFL:

Lefty heads explode again. :king:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 10, 2018, 12:24:46 PM

True? :laugh:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/07/report-supreme-court-nominee-kavanaugh-called-hillary-clinton-a-btch/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 10, 2018, 01:43:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 10, 2018, 12:24:46 PM

True? :laugh:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/07/report-supreme-court-nominee-kavanaugh-called-hillary-clinton-a-btch/

Apparently.

Besides being a genius Constitutional legal scholar he appears to be a good judge of personality as well.

Both assets will serve him well on the US Supreme Court for the next 30 years.

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 11, 2018, 06:20:36 AM

President Trump scolds Germany and NATO for their hypocrisy. Trump points out that Germany and NATO claim to need US military protection, yet Germany doesn’t pay the required 2% of GDP, yet Germany has the nerve to invest in a pipeline with Russia, the very country they claim they need protection from. The hypocrisy of the Merkel administration is astounding.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/ea3bf5ce-84a1-11e8-a29d-73e3d454535d
(requires subscription to read)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/donald-trump-nato-germany-captive-to-russia-not-fair-funding-europe-2018-07-11/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 12, 2018, 08:45:05 AM

It will be interesting to read the local presses view of Trump's visit to the British isles. Hopefully members can post view points that others may not see.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on July 12, 2018, 11:09:58 AM

All the looney left and hypocrites of fake doubles standard piece of shit feminists are out in London I see, shouting their double standard garbage..Christ I really hate these people .

When the stinking sheiks turn up from Saudi Arabia (The country with no human rights, the country that beheads women in the street) where are the feminists , gays and liberals then? I don't see them outside Buckingham palace opening their stinking mouths and spouting their garbage then, while the fat twat is having tea with the Queen ..

Looney left! Worse scourge of the human race..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on July 12, 2018, 04:42:50 PM

Quote

When the stinking sheiks turn up from Saudi Arabia (The country with no human rights, the country that beheads women in the street) where are the feminists , gays and liberals then?

Those that protest in countries where restrictions are enforced are often put away if they should protest. In this case, nearly the entire population would need to protest in order to avoid getting put away. With no human rights goes along with no right to protest. If you dare to do it, you risk disappearing from public life. :)

Also, note that people "selectively" protest certain targets. If one ethnic group gets discriminated, that does not mean that other races who are discriminated will bring the same protest. There is no universal rule of law, despite what some people may say about it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 13, 2018, 11:42:03 AM

Looks like the Russians may have gotten caught. If true, I wonder if President Trump will confront President Putin during their meeting ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 13, 2018, 11:54:45 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 13, 2018, 11:42:03 AM

Looks like the Russians may have gotten caught. If true, I wonder if President Trump will confront President Putin during their meeting ?

NOBODY is doubting the Russians tried to cause disruption in
our elections. We've been doing it to each other since the 1950's.
They just found Democrats stupid enough to allow them access to
their computers using a "phishing" strategy that an 8th grader
could have developed.

When is Mueller going to link President Trump or his campaign
with the Russian government in assisting in that effort?

The answer is, they're not . . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 13, 2018, 01:33:32 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 13, 2018, 11:42:03 AM

Looks like the Russians may have gotten caught. If true, I wonder if President Trump will confront President Putin during their meeting ?

ALL FAKE NEWS and damage limitation effort to divert attention from his blunders while visiting the UK and before meeting Putin on Monday.

Well anybody who has followed the all day and night running news on the British TV channels....has realised what a clown and Liar is the Mafia appointed President of the USA.

After the NATO Meeting in Brussels yesterday, he gave an interview to "THE SUN", who published his comments, the BBC transmitted the interview.....and today in the conference after meeting Teresa May, he called Fake news.......and without shame changed his tune and call it Fake News.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_tL2Vsx8rx-QmknwOP76mUv5cb4Qd50k7ViGKTZcwS3eamN5CXQ)

Huge demonstrations took place in London and other Towns.... but of course he did not see anything, because he was travelling around....with his 4 helicopters.......... and hardly used his limousine.

Well just watched his plane touching down in Scotland.....

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRr5NPsViDvFyX34cA6fby6NTwZxAPpyp-EfS-ZMVn8G-oFG8y)

... where he went to rest before meeting putin next Monday.

PS: There are plenty of videos, images and articles....... on the net to get a better picture.... or watch the BBC live on the net.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 13, 2018, 02:09:07 PM

The saving grace of Trump is that he says what people believe. His statements on European immigration, linking the issue to a loss of European culture, are spot on.

I don't want to see the USA become Brazil! Thus I don't want to see a huge number of illegals being let into the country.

Look at the number of Muslim attacks in Poland, vs. Germany: clearly Merkel is objectively a traitor at this point for the damage she has done to the German people. Merkel shouldn't "go", she should hang...

Korwin-Mikke said it more vehemently, and 2 years earlier, than Trump, but he was ignored by the mainstream thought leaders of the EU, apparatchiks all! BTW Poland took in a number of Ukrainian refugees (actual displaced people); they have caused few problems.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 13, 2018, 06:04:52 PM

Quote from: Slumba on July 13, 2018, 02:09:07 PM

The saving grace of Trump is that he says what people believe. His statements on European immigration, linking the issue to a loss of European culture, are spot on.

I don't want to see the USA become Brazil! Thus I don't want to see a huge number of illegals being let into the country.

I suggest you read the following articles to find out who is responsible for the huge immigration problem that we have experienced the past few years in Europe and then apportion blame.

Obama The War Criminal Butcherer of Women and Children (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/11/obama-the-war-criminal-butcherer-of-women-and-children/)

and also

Soros / CIA Plan To Destabilize Europe (http://thenewsdoctors.com/soros-cia-plan-to-destabilize-europe-wayne-madsen/)

Don't forget to check the dates that these articles were posted!

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 14, 2018, 01:04:17 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 13, 2018, 06:04:52 PM

Quote from: Slumba on July 13, 2018, 02:09:07 PM
The saving grace of Trump is that he says what people believe. His statements on European immigration, linking the issue to a loss of European culture, are spot on.

I don't want to see the USA become Brazil! Thus I don't want to see a huge number of illegals being let into the country.

I suggest you read the following articles to find out who is responsible for the huge immigration problem that we have experienced the past few years in Europe and then apportion blame.

Obama The War Criminal Butcherer of Women and Children (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/11/obama-the-war-criminal-butcherer-of-women-and-children/)

and also

Soros / CIA Plan To Destabilize Europe (http://thenewsdoctors.com/soros-cia-plan-to-destabilize-europe-wayne-madsen/)

Don't forget to check the dates that these articles were posted!

tiphat

They're both amateurs!

Read up on Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi and his views: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi#Views_on_race_and_religion

This has been planned out and set in motion long, long ago...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 14, 2018, 07:26:24 AM

Quote from: Slumba on July 14, 2018, 01:04:17 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 13, 2018, 06:04:52 PM
Quote from: Slumba on July 13, 2018, 02:09:07 PM
The saving grace of Trump is that he says what people believe. His statements on European immigration, linking the issue to a loss of European culture, are spot on.

I don't want to see the USA become Brazil! Thus I don't want to see a huge number of illegals being let into the country.

I suggest you read the following articles to find out who is responsible for the huge immigration problem that we have experienced the past few years in Europe and then apportion blame.

Obama The War Criminal Butcherer of Women and Children (https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/01/11/obama-the-war-criminal-butcherer-of-women-and-children/)

and also

Soros / CIA Plan To Destabilize Europe (http://thenewsdoctors.com/soros-cia-plan-to-destabilize-europe-wayne-madsen/)

Don't forget to check the dates that these articles were posted!

tiphat

They're both amateurs!

Read up on Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi and his views: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi#Views_on_race_and_religion

This has been planned out and set in motion long, long ago...

Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi, was a Member of the Vienna Masonic Lodge, he pioneered the idea of Federal European integration as "the only way of guarding against an eventual world hegemony by Russia", but he did not suggested the kind of immigration European countries have seen the past 5 years.

“Heinrich Coudenhove-Kalergi credited the Jews with originating religious intolerance, and condemned it as a violation of genuine religious principles. He branded every sort of anti-Judaism unchristian. He further urged liberal Christians and Jews to ally in protecting both of their religions, and religion as such, against the emerging menace of secularism.”

We must not forget that USA since the end of WWII starting with the Korean War where they killed 1 million people. Lately have invaded and destroyed many countries, like Iraq, Libya and Syria creating millions of refuges on the way. and Europe has been paying for the results of the US actions.

Germany who is a US vassal and colony till 2099 and Mrs Merkel, decided to accept 1 million of them and now the whole African continent is coming towards Europe.

I don’t remember the USA taking any of these refuges.

Anyhow the British people have made your (mafia) President to feel very welcome....

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 14, 2018, 08:08:04 AM

There are some posting who do not understand 'Christian' charity. Yes there have been epic fails in the past. But lets be clear here the Jewish religion is perhaps the most intolerant religion ever. If you doubt this read the Old Testament of the Bible.

R/H von Coudenhove-Kalergi was something of an idealist, and a rather proud anti-Semitic. What is odd he never was in favor with the Nazi regime.

Various 'leaders' in Europe had visions of a pan-Europe entity and one could reach back to Charlemagne to find the basis of this. The only region that came close though was the Hanseatic League, worth noting it was a strictly economic/military alliance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 14, 2018, 10:39:32 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 14, 2018, 08:08:04 AM

There are some posting who do not understand 'Christian' charity. Yes there have been epic fails in the past. But lets be clear here the Jewish religion is perhaps the most intolerant religion ever. If you doubt this read the Old Testament of the Bible.

R/H von Coudenhove-Kalergi was something of an idealist, and a rather proud anti-Semitic. What is odd he never was in favor with the Nazi regime.

Various 'leaders' in Europe had visions of a pan-Europe entity and one could reach back to Charlemagne to find the basis of this. The only region that came close though was the Hanseatic League, worth noting it was a strictly economic/military alliance.

The article is sadly, not very clear and conflates the FATHER, Heinrich, who was against the Jews, with the SON, Richard, who was very pro-Jewish.

Richard's views:

" The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. [...]

Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe. Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility by the Grace of Spirit. This happened at the moment when Europe's feudal aristocracy became dilapidated, and thanks to Jewish emancipation.
"

i.e. an EU of Brazil-style mixing. But there is no one to mix with?

Thus the importation of millions of African men (no women and children on those boats) and presumably the forced integration, as Sarkozy already mentioned. "not a choice, but an obligation"

Sarkozy is parroting Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi in the following clip

All of EU to then be ruled over by a mostly-Jewish "nobility".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 14, 2018, 12:54:28 PM

Lefty’s in the U.K. throw a temper tantrum over Trumps visit. Like he or we care. :laugh:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/13/not-donald-trump-will-look-like-child-london-today-britain/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1531463379

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 14, 2018, 01:49:22 PM

Former U.K. Parliamentary member John Brown on Brexit and President Trumps visit. BTW Mr. Brown now lives in Florida.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 14, 2018, 02:07:49 PM

The western media wasted little time to make accusations that north Korea was not honoring the signed agreement, but it looks like President Trump has made a good impression on kim

I'm a firm believer that President Trump can and will make some very positive contributions towards better relations through out the world.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/12/kim-jong-un-praises-donald-trump-your-excellency-letter/779572002/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 14, 2018, 05:00:56 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 14, 2018, 08:08:04 AM

There are some posting who do not understand 'Christian' charity. Yes there have been epic fails in the past. But lets be clear here the Jewish religion is perhaps the most intolerant religion ever. If you doubt this read the Old Testament of the Bible.

R/H von Coudenhove-Kalergi was something of an idealist, and a rather proud anti-Semitic. What is odd he never was in favor with the Nazi regime.

Various 'leaders' in Europe had visions of a pan-Europe entity and one could reach back to Charlemagne to find the basis of this. The only region that came close though was the Hanseatic League, worth noting it was a strictly economic/military alliance.

"Despite his opposition to simplistic racial theory, Heinrich Coudenhove-Kalergi agreed that Jews are racially distinct. Although he pointed out that there is no Semitic race, because Semitic is an ethno-linguistic group, he equivocated by also remarking that the charges that Semites were uncreative were belied by civilizations formed by the Assyrians and Babylonians, who spoke Semitic languages. He further sought to defend the Jews against charges of parasitic greed and cowardice with anecdotal counterexamples of Jewish industriousness and martial courage"

"In an interview in the first Pan-European Congress in 1926, Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi expressed the support of Jews by the Pan-European movement and the benefits to Jews with the elimination of racial hatred and economic rivalry brought by the United States of Europe."

Nigel Farage exposes Sarkozy in the EU Parliament

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 15, 2018, 02:29:06 AM

Note the difference between Trump's "I like Europe the way it is" and the seething hostility from Obama:

http://www.unz.com/isteve/barack-obama-on-why-europes-existence-is-personally-offensive/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 15, 2018, 10:49:16 AM

It seems to me that on the whole while Putin and Trump can find much to disagree about in respect of their world view, they can find ways in which they can reconcile those differences and find common ground.

In Twitter form, while Putin sees national sovereignty as being paramount, Trump sees the United States as being first amongst equals. That latter viewpoint can see room for independent action on the part of nations that is ameliorated by negotiated settlements of mutual benefit.

Exceptionalism sees no room for independent action on the part of other national stakeholders except to the extent that it serves U.S interests as well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 15, 2018, 01:36:50 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 14, 2018, 01:49:22 PM

Former U.K. Parliamentary member John Brown on Brexit and President Trumps visit. BTW Mr. Brown now lives in Florida.

Told you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 15, 2018, 02:27:18 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 15, 2018, 01:36:50 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 14, 2018, 01:49:22 PM
Former U.K. Parliamentary member John Brown on Brexit and President Trumps visit. BTW Mr. Brown now lives in Florida.

Told you.

Told me what?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 15, 2018, 04:14:51 PM

Quote from: Slumba on July 15, 2018, 02:29:06 AM

Note the difference between Trump's "I like Europe the way it is" and the seething hostility from Obama:

http://www.unz.com/isteve/barack-obama-on-why-europes-existence-is-personally-offensive/

There is huge difference in their approach on the world stage and we must remember that the Mafia Don Trump has always stated: “America First” as his slogan but Obama had a very different approach on the above objective. Both presidents had/have the same target, “The continuation of the American hegemony and Empire on the 21st century” but Obama used a different approach to achieve the US goals

”Europe is, of course, the world’s greatest tourist attraction. It’s beautiful, charming, and fascinating.

Unsurprisingly, Donald Trump, who has made a career out of not being ashamed to like nice things, has stated that he wishes Europe to stay much as it is rather than be inundated by hundreds of millions of Third World immigrants.” Comments from your link above about Obama.

A deliberate statement against immigration to cause huge problems to the EU.

The United States was the world’s only superpower, combining pre-eminent military power, global technological leadership, and the world’s largest economy. Moreover, America stands at the head of a system of alliances NATO, which includes the world’s other leading democratic powers. After the collapse of the USSR, the United States faced no global rival. America’s grand strategy always aimed to preserve and extend its advantageous position as far into the future as possible.

Today there are, however, potentially powerful states dissatisfied with the current situation and are eager to change it, like Russia, China, the EU, Iran, India, The BRICS in directions that will endanger the relatively peaceful, prosperous and free condition the USA enjoys today. Up to now, they have been deterred from doing so by the capability and global presence of American military power. but as that power declines, relatively and absolutely, the happy conditions that follow from it will be inevitably undermined.

President Trump has stated that Russia and China are competitors therefore he is using a different tactic to undermine them, economically, so to protect American Hegemony. He has been ignoring the UN, because Russia and China have “veto” causing problems to his plans and is using NATO to project US Hegemony around the world.

It is pretty clear that Trump does not like the EU achieving closer integration and been a strong competitor economically so he is doing everything possible to undermine its power. I expect everybody must have noticed his comments about the UK PM in his interview and also his comment about the ex FM Boris Johnson .

Well tomorrow is meeting privately Putin and we have to wait to hear their statements.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 15, 2018, 06:20:57 PM

It's looking like the democrats are going to lose seats in the Senate and the House come November.
All the attention the democrats are placing on the illegals is pissing. Off a bunch of their black constituents..
2019 could be a very productive year for the Trump agenda.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 16, 2018, 09:03:13 AM

Watch this interview and enjoy the comments .. by

US Sen Dick Black on Trump & Cold War (https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/433313-theresa-may-obama-era/)

very interesting to hear these comments from a US senator.......

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 16, 2018, 12:18:36 PM

He is a STATE Senator from Virginia.

Not a US Seantor

Big difference

Quote from: Wiz on July 16, 2018, 09:03:13 AM

Watch this interview and enjoy the comments .. by

US Sen Dick Black on Trump & Cold War (https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/433313-theresa-may-obama-era/)

very interesting to hear these comments from a US senator.......

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 16, 2018, 02:22:22 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 15, 2018, 02:27:18 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 15, 2018, 01:36:50 PM
Quote from: Confederate on July 14, 2018, 01:49:22 PM
Former U.K. Parliamentary member John Brown on Brexit and President Trumps visit. BTW Mr. Brown now lives in Florida.

Told you.

Told me what?

:chuckle:

The Brits are fleeing to the US (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,27350.0.html).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 16, 2018, 02:39:37 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 16, 2018, 02:22:22 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 15, 2018, 02:27:18 PM
Quote from: Manny on July 15, 2018, 01:36:50 PM
Quote from: Confederate on July 14, 2018, 01:49:22 PM
Former U.K. Parliamentary member John Brown on Brexit and President Trumps visit. BTW Mr. Brown now lives in Florida.

Told you.

Told me what?

:chuckle:

The Brits are fleeing to the US (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,27350.0.html).

Yes you did say that, I just wasn’t sure if you were referring to that or John Browns opinions about Brexit and President Trump. :)

Any thoughts about todays meeting between Trump and Putin in Helsinki?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 16, 2018, 03:00:18 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 16, 2018, 12:18:36 PM

He is a STATE Senator from Virginia.

Not a US Seantor

Big difference

Quote from: Wiz on July 16, 2018, 09:03:13 AM
Watch this interview and enjoy the comments .. by

US Sen Dick Black on Trump & Cold War (https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/433313-theresa-may-obama-era/)

very interesting to hear these comments from a US senator.......

tiphat

If he is a State Senator or US Senator makes no difference to me.

What it's more important is the views he expressed, which were more accurate and honest in comparison of the views expressed by many other people.

Obviously you prefer or get used to hear the fake propaganda narrative and bullshit from the usual culprits and not the truth!

;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 16, 2018, 03:18:09 PM

Quote from: Slumba on July 14, 2018, 01:04:17 AM

Read up on Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi and his views: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi#Views_on_race_and_religion

There is an interesting line in there:

"The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals."

I've often thought this was someone's "grand plan" for humanity. If you go back through popular culture, you'll find it everywhere for decades as a gentle sort of propaganda.

Look at the girls in most modern music videos, attractive as many of them are, you'll struggle to pin an ethnicity on them. White girls fake tan so they are brown/orange, and then pump up their lips with injections. Black girls straighten their hair and apply makeup to look more like white girls and before you know it everyone looks like an approximation of Meghan Markle. As the song says, "coffee coloured people". "Pale and interesting" doesn't seem to be a thing any more. Except, bizarrely, in China. Chinese girls try *very hard* to be as pale as possible.

Of more concern in Europe is the destruction of class by the importing of third world migrants masquerading as refugees. This destruction of culture is something I think Trump actually gets. Not that he has very much culture himself, and the mixed ethnic and resultant culture/class makeup of the US differs to Europe, but I think he can see the gradual destruction of EU Europe as we know it via Islamification and sees it will noticeably infect the US too in time. And as in Sweden, Denmark, Germany and the UK, it will change the country beyond recognition in his lifetime.

What we are seeing in some of Trump's comments is him seeing this and articulating it and the frustrations he likely feels as best he can. And that manifests also in his comments on Brexit, etc. Much of leftist/establishment Europe has not yet worked out how to take Trump or his often factual and frank comments, the political classes are still in shock. Indicative I think is some of our media output.

An ex-cabinet minister I am friendly with (much to Moby's chagrin) today tweeted this (https://twitter.com/Edwina_Currie/status/1018855135278190593). The article she linked is here (https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/the-worst-thing-about-trumps-outbursts-on-brexit-and-nato-that-hes-right/). The article has no stated author but it isn't a usual junior staffer "no name" piece. It's a mood-feeling piece. Many publications take copy from "controversial" writers and publish it with no name attached. I think she who tweeted it penned it (I'll ask her when I next see her in 2 weeks). She is no lover of Trump and was a Remain campaigner. But even our Edwina has admitted Trump is right, even though she thinks it "gruesome".

I was off the Trump train when he rained bombs on Syria for no particular reason shortly after getting into power. But, boorish and uncouth as he is, I must admit to warming to him again. The man is saying things that need to be said. And it is having an effect. He has met Kim, he is building bridges with Putin, he has bitch slapped the EU on trade; he may yet do some good. He is meeting people and talking, he isn't starting more wars like Hillary would have done by now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 16, 2018, 05:28:06 PM

Manny

In a previous reply to "Slumba" I posted at the last paragraph a link to a document regarding the plans for the 21 Century by the US.

REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES

Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century

https://web.archive.org/web/20130501130739/http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

For some reason it's not there anymore.... and I wonder why?

My reasons for posting that documents was to show that the Empire has been making long term plans..... and I expect you get my drift.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on July 16, 2018, 06:46:36 PM

Quote

What the world saw, what the American people saw, is that President Donald Trump will always put the prosperity and security of America first,”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-meeting-putin-dubbed-treason-summit-173450979.html

I think you will need to build a wall not just on the Mexican border, but include the Canadian border and one for the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. :chuckle:

Quote

'We are in a true emergency,'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5957577/Co-author-Art-Deal-believes-Trump-losing-mind.html

Quick someone call 9-1-1. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 17, 2018, 02:03:23 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 16, 2018, 05:28:06 PM

Manny

In a previous reply to "Slumba" I posted at the last paragraph a link to a document regarding the plans for the 21 Century by the US.

REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES

Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century

https://web.archive.org/web/20130501130739/http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

For some reason it's not there anymore.... and I wonder why?

My reasons for posting that documents was to show that the Empire has been making long term plans..... and I expect you get my drift.

If it is not there anymore then I can't read it ... but if it is "PNAC" then it is basically what are called "neocons" with 2 subgroups: the war-making "America as global policeman" types who want the USD retained as the only currency for petrodollar purposes; and the war-making "America must protect Israel" types who want to implement the Oded Yinon Plan.

Basically, the first group are shills for oil and other multi-nationals; the second, usually dual-citizens of both Israel and America, have no problem spending American treasure and American lives to make sure Israel is a nice place to bolt to if their financial dealings ever come to light.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 17, 2018, 04:00:31 AM

Quote from: Slumba on July 17, 2018, 02:03:23 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 16, 2018, 05:28:06 PM
Manny

In a previous reply to "Slumba" I posted at the last paragraph a link to a document regarding the plans for the 21 Century by the US.

REBUILDING AMERICA’S DEFENSES

Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century

https://web.archive.org/web/20130501130739/http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

For some reason it's not there anymore.... and I wonder why?

My reasons for posting that documents was to show that the Empire has been making long term plans..... and I expect you get my drift.

If it is not there anymore then I can't read it ... but if it is "PNAC" then it is basically what are called "neocons" with 2 subgroups: the war-making "America as global policeman" types who want the USD retained as the only currency for petrodollar purposes; and the war-making "America must protect Israel" types who want to implement the Oded Yinon Plan.

Basically, the first group are shills for oil and other multi-nationals; the second, usually dual-citizens of both Israel and America, have no problem spending American treasure and American lives to make sure Israel is a nice place to bolt to if their financial dealings ever come to light.

I read this 90 pages booklet, very long time ago (saved a copy) and I got the same impression....... but you wrote the perfect description......... and that explains to ignorant people what actually is going on in the USA, for the past few decades.

The interview of the state senator, "Dick Black" :laugh:.....explained a lot...... and in conjunction with the above document gives a clear picture about Trump! I think the Mafia Don... is already compromised by Jerusalem but...he and the short, ex KGB operative/Head, did get on fine. Putin's face on the dinner table... was a picture displaying a happy result of a difficult operation! Their interview at the end....was a well supportive play of eachother. :nod:

I don't think that Trump would risk a Monica.......because of his age :ROFL:

Lets wait and see what China has to say.... I already predicted the creation of a G3 Club. tiphat

PS: I think a little mouse, an ADL supporter or a Haifa student, modified my post ...... ???

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 17, 2018, 04:28:10 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 16, 2018, 03:18:09 PM

Quote from: Slumba on July 14, 2018, 01:04:17 AM
Read up on Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi and his views: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi#Views_on_race_and_religion

There is an interesting line in there:

"The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals."

I've often thought this was someone's "grand plan" for humanity.

I guess this is the NEW WORLD ORDER.... plan.

Have you noticed a rapid colour change on our TV screens?

OK will continue looking the pictures on the right!

PS: Are you going to join me to write the letter to the president or you will have a chat with the Ambassador?

I am in need of good writing skills...... for a good cause! :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 17, 2018, 05:46:02 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 17, 2018, 04:28:10 AM

PS: Are you going to join me to write the letter to the president or you will have a chat with the Ambassador?

I am in need of good writing skills...... for a good cause! :)

Better written in Russian, surely?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 17, 2018, 09:26:51 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 17, 2018, 05:46:02 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 17, 2018, 04:28:10 AM

PS: Are you going to join me to write the letter to the president or you will have a chat with the Ambassador?

I am in need of good writing skills...... for a good cause! :)

Better written in Russian, surely?

You have both skills......and if you have the will then we can do it properly and well organised. now we have the best opportunity, after his Free offer to football fans!

There is a thread where we discussed before........ lets post there......and not spoil this thread.

BTW Hanna is going to Russia at the end of the month and can post the Russian Version......directly.

We of course can write via the President's site in English!

Over to you...... ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 17, 2018, 09:48:25 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 16, 2018, 02:39:37 PM

Any thoughts about todays meeting between Trump and Putin in Helsinki?

There is no reason Russia and the US should have bad relations IMO.

Trump tweeted: "A productive dialogue is not only good for the United States and good for Russia, but it is good for the world" - I agree with that.

https://www.rt.com/usa/433506-trump-nato-meeting-great-putin/

Better than a "reset" button with a spelling mistake.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 17, 2018, 09:50:39 AM

Quote from: Wiz on July 17, 2018, 09:26:51 AM

Quote from: Manny on July 17, 2018, 05:46:02 AM
Quote from: Wiz on July 17, 2018, 04:28:10 AM

PS: Are you going to join me to write the letter to the president or you will have a chat with the Ambassador?

I am in need of good writing skills...... for a good cause! :)

Better written in Russian, surely?

You have both skills......and if you have the will then we can do it properly and well organised. now we have the best opportunity, after his Free offer to football fans!

There is a thread where we discussed before........ lets post there......and not spoil this thread.

BTW Hanna is going to Russia at the end of the month and can post the Russian Version......directly.

We of course can write via the President's site in English!

Over to you...... ;D

You pen it I'll polish it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 17, 2018, 11:03:19 AM

President Trump REALLY screwed up in Helsinki yesterday.

If I was Dan Coats, I'd resign.

Trump can sometimes be his own worst enemy. The guy's ego
won't allow him to admit the obvious because he thinks it will
somehow tarnish his election victory in 2016.

Did you listen to the interview by Chris Wallace of Putin yesterday?
You have to understand how to think like a Russian to understand
what he was trying to say.

"We didn't interfere with the elections because what we hacked
and released to various sources was the truth. We didn't change
it in any way".

Gotta be a Russian to understand that train of thought.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 17, 2018, 12:05:53 PM

:duh:
It seems likely that someone has been reading a fantasy translation. That's not what was said. It would not have fitted the context of the president's words before and after that small 'quote'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 17, 2018, 12:20:34 PM

Here are the exact quotes -

"Russia as a state has never interfered with the internal affairs of the United States, let alone its elections," Putin told Fox News' Chris Wallace in an interview that aired Monday evening. Putin's remarks were being translated.

When pressed by Wallace about the hacking, Putin later went on to say: "Listen to me, please: The information that I am aware of, there is nothing false about it, every single grain of it is true. And the Democratic leadership admitted it."

Kinda like telling a friend just because I told your wife that you were cheating on her doesn't mean I caused your marriage to break up. Kinda hard to dispute the accuracy of my "paraphrase" up thread of Putin's comments.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 17, 2018, 01:06:27 PM

I watched that, the Fox guy was rude and kept interrupting. Putin handled him very well, wouldn't even take his daft paperwork.

Putin's point was even if it were so, what was disseminated that was untrue or false? Nothing. Next? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 17, 2018, 01:14:17 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 17, 2018, 01:06:27 PM

Putin's point was even if it were so, what was disseminated that was untrue or false? Nothing. Next? :chuckle:

EXACTLY!!!

YOU understand because you have the ability to think like a Russian. So do I. Most American people don't.

:laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 17, 2018, 04:09:55 PM

President Trump gives clarification, on things he said during his overseas trip

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on July 17, 2018, 04:42:38 PM

I thought this belonged here: https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/trump-nervously-gives-putin-list-of-people-hed-like-killed-20180716175353

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2018, 07:49:05 PM

Quote from: Manny on July 17, 2018, 09:48:25 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 16, 2018, 02:39:37 PM
Any thoughts about todays meeting between Trump and Putin in Helsinki?

There is no reason Russia and the US should have bad relations IMO.

Trump tweeted: "A productive dialogue is not only good for the United States and good for Russia, but it is good for the world" - I agree with that.

https://www.rt.com/usa/433506-trump-nato-meeting-great-putin/

Better than a "reset" button with a spelling mistake.

Unfortunately Trump blew it and he was too chummy with Putin. Worse than that Trump insulted US intelligence.

Trump still has not learned to play the game. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 17, 2018, 11:04:48 PM

VVP must be wondering how a powerful nation will cope with Truml in charge in a real crisis

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 20, 2018, 02:29:14 PM

The liberal media and the democrats are all wound up over President Trumps invite to President Putin to visit the white house later this year.
They're now demanding to know what was said during the presidents one one meeting.
Should President Trump have to reveal what was discussed behind closed doors?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on July 20, 2018, 02:33:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 20, 2018, 02:29:14 PM

The liberal media and the democrats are all wound up over President Trumps invite to President Putin to visit the white house later this year. They're now demanding to know what was said during the presidents one one meeting.
Should President Trump have to reveal what was discussed behind closed doors?

I think they're more excited about the newly discovered tapes, now
in the possession of the FBI that Cohen made of private conversations
he had with President Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 20, 2018, 02:47:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 20, 2018, 02:33:43 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 20, 2018, 02:29:14 PM
The liberal media and the democrats are all wound up over President Trumps invite to President Putin to visit the white house later this year. They're now demanding to know what was said during the presidents one one meeting.
Should President Trump have to reveal what was discussed behind closed doors?

I think they're more excited about the newly discovered tapes, now
in the possession of the FBI that Cohen made of private conversations
he had with President Trump.

If there was anything incriminating with the tape, this would have been made public much differently.
There's nothing illegal, it's just another feeble attempt at defaming President Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steamer on July 20, 2018, 03:08:59 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 20, 2018, 02:29:14 PM

They're now demanding to know what was said during the presidents one one meeting.
Should President Trump have to reveal what was discussed behind closed doors?

Just my opinion but I'll bet Trump and Putin were laughing and telling jokes about how this meeting would drive the MSM totally out of sorts.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 20, 2018, 03:22:33 PM

Quote from: Steamer on July 20, 2018, 03:08:59 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 20, 2018, 02:29:14 PM
They're now demanding to know what was said during the presidents one one meeting.
Should President Trump have to reveal what was discussed behind closed doors?

Just my opinion but I'll bet Trump and Putin were laughing and telling jokes about how this meeting would drive the MSM totally out of sorts.

:thumbsup: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 20, 2018, 11:18:48 PM

Quote from: Steamer on July 20, 2018, 03:08:59 PM

Just my opinion but I'll bet Trump and Putin were laughing and telling jokes about how this meeting would drive the MSM totally out of sorts.

The average joe doesn't rely on 'MSM' to figure out these are two SCARY guys with wacky concepts of what is 'right' - in charge of powerful nations

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 21, 2018, 09:13:47 AM

Quote from: msmoby on July 20, 2018, 11:18:48 PM

Quote from: Steamer on July 20, 2018, 03:08:59 PM

Just my opinion but I'll bet Trump and Putin were laughing and telling jokes about how this meeting would drive the MSM totally out of sorts.

The average joe doesn't rely on 'MSM' to figure out these are two SCARY guys with wacky concepts of what is 'right' - in charge of powerful nations

Exactly what is scary about President Trump wanting to close immigration loopholes in order to protect our sovereignty?

What was scary about Trump meeting with No. Korea’s Kim on behalf of World peace?

Name one thing scary about Trump other than his hair. :chuckle:

No doubt you preferred the Hilda beast.

But the untold story behind that story is one that involves not just the Russian president, but also a former American president and a woman who would like to be the next one.

At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company that would become known as Uranium One.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 21, 2018, 10:00:38 AM

Quote from: shakespear on July 20, 2018, 02:33:43 PM

I think they're more excited about the newly discovered tapes, now
in the possession of the FBI that Cohen made of private conversations
he had with President Trump.

Private tapes between a client and his attorney? I doubt it.
Cohen would be disbarred in a New York minute if he made
them without his clients knowledge. Not even Hillary judge
Kimba the Mexican housekeeper Wood, would allow them
into evidence.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 21, 2018, 11:11:51 AM

If this recording was legally significant it'd not have been publicised in this manner. The recording, which seems to exist and be genuine, was released to support the ongoing campaign against the president and is aimed at the hard of thinking and know-littles who are the usual targets of such actions. Proper thinkers, whatever they might think of the president as a person, know that this was simply a diversion from other, more important, matters.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 21, 2018, 11:19:24 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 21, 2018, 11:11:51 AM

If this recording was legally significant it'd not have been publicised in this manner. The recording, which seems to exist and be genuine, was released to support the ongoing campaign against the president and is aimed at the hard of thinking and know-littles who are the usual targets of such actions. Proper thinkers, whatever they might think of the president as a person, know that this was simply a diversion from other, more important, matters.

Yes, I agree. The odds that some deep throat type incriminating tape
exists and some cub reporter found it and is going to publish it only
happens in Hollywood.

If the FBI seized a bunch of tapes from a lawyer and then told everyone
that they would protect lawyer/client privilege and then release them
to the press would jeopardize their case and their careers and might
make the judge throw the whole thing out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 21, 2018, 02:10:17 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 20, 2018, 02:47:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on July 20, 2018, 02:33:43 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on July 20, 2018, 02:29:14 PM
The liberal media and the democrats are all wound up over President Trumps invite to President Putin to visit the white house later this year. They're now demanding to know what was said during the presidents one one meeting.
Should President Trump have to reveal what was discussed behind closed doors?

I think they're more excited about the newly discovered tapes, now
in the possession of the FBI that Cohen made of private conversations
he had with President Trump.

If there was anything incriminating with the tape, this would have been made public much differently.
There's nothing illegal, it's just another feeble attempt at defaming President Trump.

^ This.

This absolutely lends credence to President Trump's complaint that there's a Deep State (which there is) and that it is out to get him (which it is).

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 21, 2018, 10:45:18 PM

IF the 'deep state' is out to get 'Trampu' - he'd have been impeached by now

Q: Can the lawyer record these conversations, legally - without informing the client - in NY state ? YES ...

I'd record any conversation I had with Trampu given his 'inability to remember what he has written - let alone spoken.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on July 23, 2018, 07:03:30 AM

Quote from: msmoby on July 21, 2018, 10:45:18 PM

IF the 'deep state' is out to get 'Trampu' - he'd have been impeached by now

Q: Can the lawyer record these conversations, legally - without informing the client - in NY state ? YES ...

I'd record any conversation I had with Trampu given his 'inability to remember what he has written - let alone spoken.

It's a shame you didn't record your conversation with Jeremy Clarkson, that time you ripped him infront of all his mates at Anne Robinson's house.

You're such a legend Mob's.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 23, 2018, 08:10:13 AM

Quote from: msmoby on July 21, 2018, 10:45:18 PM

IF the 'deep state' is out to get 'Trampu' - he'd have been impeached by now.

The left says Trump is not their President. Therefore if he’s not their President they cannot impeach him. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on July 23, 2018, 08:39:08 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 23, 2018, 08:10:13 AM

Quote from: msmoby on July 21, 2018, 10:45:18 PM
IF the 'deep state' is out to get 'Trampu' - he'd have been impeached by now.

The left says Trump is not their President. Therefore if he’s not their President they cannot impeach him. :laugh:

What’s the other catchphrase they use.....’not in my name’, right! :rolleye0009: F*****g dimwits.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 23, 2018, 11:03:55 AM

Quote from: msmoby on July 21, 2018, 10:45:18 PM

IF the 'deep state' is out to get 'Trampu' - he'd have been impeached by now

The deep state are the non-elected bureaucrats that last through
administration after administration that have lots of power, however
little of it is constitutionally mandated. Impeachment is a constitutionally
defined process that elected members of the House of representatives can
start.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 23, 2018, 06:16:16 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 23, 2018, 11:03:55 AM

Quote from: msmoby on July 21, 2018, 10:45:18 PM
IF the 'deep state' is out to get 'Trampu' - he'd have been impeached by now

The deep state are the non-elected bureaucrats that last through
administration after administration that have lots of power, however
little of it is constitutionally mandated. Impeachment is a constitutionally
defined process that elected members of the House of representatives can
start.

I think you're wasting your time. He also doesn't comprehend that we are a Republic
and we elect Presidents based on electoral votes and not the popular vote.

Thank providence for that because otherwise it would be rule of the mob and civil war would ensue.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 23, 2018, 07:47:39 PM

President Trump is making good on his promise to make America great again!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2018/07/23/bill-maher-recession-us-economy-china-growth-rate-2q18-barclays-capital/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 23, 2018, 09:33:44 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 23, 2018, 07:47:39 PM

President Trump is making good on his promise to make America great again!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2018/07/23/bill-maher-recession-us-economy-china-growth-rate-2q18-barclays-capital/

Trumps tax cuts and regulatory rollbacks have worked magic on the US economy.

Don’t worry secret-socialist Moby will be along shortly to claim tax cuts don’t work.

But then there’s this. :-*

Within the eurozone, only Ireland comes close with its 4.2% forecasted growth rate in the second. Ireland has been using low taxes to lure in U.S. tech companies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 24, 2018, 09:03:11 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 23, 2018, 11:03:55 AM

The deep state are the non-elected bureaucrats that last through
administration after administration that have lots of power, however
little of it is constitutionally mandated. Impeachment is a constitutionally
defined process that elected members of the House of representatives can
start.

Thanks, Beel - had to look it up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment)

"Because impeachment and conviction of officials involve an overturning of the normal constitutional procedures by which individuals achieve high office (election, ratification, or appointment) and because it generally requires a supermajority, they are usually reserved for those deemed to have committed serious abuses of their office"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 24, 2018, 09:41:20 PM

The walk away movement could really hurt the democrats come November, and beyond
There's quite a few videos about the movement with some having half million views or more .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 25, 2018, 09:49:33 AM

.Will Mexico pay for the wall?

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 26, 2018, 01:54:39 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 25, 2018, 09:49:33 AM

.Will Mexico pay for the wall?

.

No.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 26, 2018, 12:38:52 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 25, 2018, 09:49:33 AM

.Will Mexico pay for the wall?

.

If they tax remittances to Mexico and other Central and South American countries, yes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 26, 2018, 07:26:27 PM

Quote from: Slumba on July 26, 2018, 12:38:52 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 25, 2018, 09:49:33 AM
.Will Mexico pay for the wall?

.

If they tax remittances to Mexico and other Central and South American countries, yes.

I’ll believe it when I see it. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 28, 2018, 10:20:38 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 26, 2018, 07:26:27 PM

Quote from: Slumba on July 26, 2018, 12:38:52 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on July 25, 2018, 09:49:33 AM
.Will Mexico pay for the wall?

.

If they tax remittances to Mexico and other Central and South American countries, yes.

I’ll believe it when I see it. :coffeeread:

Actually, that would be a fairly easy thing to do - impose the tax on Western Union, MoneyGram, etc.

The Mexicans would have to find a way around it, which could be set up the way the Arabs do it, i.e. "My cousin Achmed will give your grandfather $100 in Jordan, in exchange for you giving me $110 in the USA" or whatever.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Slumba on July 28, 2018, 01:59:13 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 28, 2018, 10:20:38 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 26, 2018, 07:26:27 PM
Quote from: Slumba on July 26, 2018, 12:38:52 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on July 25, 2018, 09:49:33 AM
.Will Mexico pay for the wall?

.

If they tax remittances to Mexico and other Central and South American countries, yes.

I’ll believe it when I see it. :coffeeread:

Actually, that would be a fairly easy thing to do - impose the tax on Western Union, MoneyGram, etc.

The Mexicans would have to find a way around it, which could be set up the way the Arabs do it, i.e. "My cousin Achmed will give your grandfather $100 in Jordan, in exchange for you giving me $110 in the USA" or whatever.

Money transmission businesses are highly regulated, as well. California requires a $25 million bond to be posted to start one. They would have no choice but to comply.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 29, 2018, 08:11:37 AM

Colorado capitol prankster places Putin portrait
where Trump's should be

An unidentified prankster struck the Colorado state capitol this week, placing a portrait of Vladimir Putin in a space intended for a picture of Donald Trump.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjDblbpVsAEHexS.jpg)

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 29, 2018, 10:34:01 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 28, 2018, 10:20:38 AM

The Mexicans would have to find a way around it, which could be set up the way the Arabs do it, i.e. "My cousin Achmed will give your grandfather $100 in Jordan, in exchange for you giving me $110 in the USA" or whatever.

I lived in California before they had money gram. They would buy
money orders and put them in the mail.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 30, 2018, 08:12:03 PM

The liberal media condemned President Trump for not believing the intelligence agencies about Russia. Then we have George Bush having every agency verifying Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. Given how this turned out for Bush, I would think President Trump has good reason to doubt the intelligence agencies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 30, 2018, 08:25:53 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 30, 2018, 08:12:03 PM

The liberal media condemned President Trump for not believing the intelligence agencies about Russia. Then we have George Bush having every agency verifying Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. Given how this turned out for Bush, I would think President Trump has good reason to doubt the intelligence agencies.

That’s a very good point of course but more recent information about the CIA which was released by Wiki about Vault 7 is that the CIA could hack the DNC but make it look like Russia did it.

Also recently it seems that alleged chemical weapons attacks by Syria on their own citizens may have been false flag operations. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 30, 2018, 08:31:53 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 30, 2018, 08:12:03 PM

The liberal media condemned President Trump for not believing the intelligence agencies about Russia. Then we have George Bush having every agency verifying Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. Given how this turned out for Bush, I would think President Trump has good reason to doubt the intelligence agencies.

Based on Wikileaks and other sources I suspect the above is very much part of Doubting Donald's thinking. A compliment for him.

Bear in mind much of his Tweets are done for public opinion. Just a few months back many were complaining on/from an island about the plunker (DT) and his actions regarding North Korea. 'WW3 is coming'. Having noted this I think the President is quite clueless on International matters and many of his comments are designed for domestic consumption. They show little regard to the International effects.

Nothing that J. Bolton has done makes me comfortable with his approach. On the other side J. Sessions seems to be honest and loyal.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 31, 2018, 02:43:37 PM

Today Democrats are loath to mention Venezuela, where the economy is in
freefall and almost 90 percent of the people are living in poverty. But many nevertheless loudly praise the socialist ideology that is responsible for much
of Venezuela’s troubles.

Venezuela’s Collapse
https://www.bloomberg.com/quicktake/venezuela-price-revolution

America's lefties are now seriously debating socialism
https://nypost.com/2018/07/30/like-it-or-not-america-is-now-seriously-debating-socialism/

Rise of the democratic socialists
http://theweek.com/articles/786937/rise-democratic-socialists

NPR: What You Need To Know About The Democratic Socialists Of America
"I think we just need to realize that the end goal is, ultimately, like social control of the means of production," said Joe Cernelli, a founding member of that West Virginia DSA chapter. "You know we don't just want to improve capitalism, we will ultimately want to get rid of it."
read all about it here
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/26/630960719/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-democratic-socialists-of-america

LA Times and the reporter is a (**shock** socialist)
Americans like socialism now
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-meyerson-socialism-resurgence-20180719-story.html#

Shapiro: What is democratic socialism?
http://www.gazettextra.com/opinion/columns/shapiro-what-is-democratic-socialism/article_493e5458-7d0b-5461-8944-0800e7499c56.html

Question boys and girls

Socialism is government control of the means of production.
According to the Democrat Socialists they just want to bring corporations
under government control, but not own them.

Can anybody please explain to me the differences between Democrat Socialists
and Nazis except the racial crap? Please use their own website if you wish to get
their own answers to what they believe.

Here is the DSA website
https://www.dsausa.org/what_is_democratic_socialism

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on August 02, 2018, 05:52:50 PM

Quote

Can anybody please explain to me the differences between Democrat Socialists
and Nazis except the racial crap?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/02/democratic-socialist-writer-levels-with-voters-want-to-end-capitalism.html

It appears that their goal is a kind of Utopia where all are on an equal footing. Sort of like the ant and bee communities where they all share alike and operate for the betterment of the community. The problem is that as human population keeps growing exponentially, the resources on this planet are not infinite. If you think that you can globally take care of hundreds of billions of people, things will probably implode on you and turn really ugly. :duh: (:)

Medicare for all and eliminate the insurance companies. :-\

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 02, 2018, 07:08:38 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on August 02, 2018, 05:52:50 PM

Quote
Can anybody please explain to me the differences between Democrat Socialists
and Nazis except the racial crap?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/02/democratic-socialist-writer-levels-with-voters-want-to-end-capitalism.html

It appears that their goal is a kind of Utopia where all are on an equal footing. Sort of like the ant and bee communities where they all share alike and operate for the betterment of the community. The problem is that as human population keeps growing exponentially, the resources on this planet are not infinite. If you think that you can globally take care of hundreds of billions of people, things will probably implode on you and turn really ugly. :duh: (:)

Medicare for all and eliminate the insurance companies. :-\

The reality is Utopia is nowhere.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 07, 2018, 08:33:27 AM

Watch the election results from the run-off in the Ohio 12th
closely today.

The Democrats have fielded a really good candidate to run in a
district has been solid Republican for over 4 decades. The Republican
candidate is also good and has closely aligned himself with the policies
and accomplishments of President Trump. Trump carried the District
by 9 points in 2016.

IT will be a good indicator if President Trump's strategy of trying to
make the mid-term election about him will be successful in November.

Here is a good write up if you are curious:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-ohio-12th-special-election/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 07, 2018, 02:04:38 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 07, 2018, 08:33:27 AM

Watch the election results from the run-off in the Ohio 12th
closely today.

I logged on today to ask you what you think about it and how
you think it will go. It looks like 538 wants the Democrat to win.

Udachi!

Bill

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 07, 2018, 07:09:08 PM

(http://www.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/205/2018/08/03/213966_600.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 07, 2018, 08:46:32 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 07, 2018, 08:33:27 AM

Watch the election results from the run-off in the Ohio 12th
closely today.

It seems the Republicans won the election, by a narrow majority.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/07/us/elections/results-ohio-special-house-election-district-12.html

The painful reality in about 3 months it has to be revoted.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 08, 2018, 12:37:30 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 07, 2018, 08:46:32 PM

It seems the Republicans won the election, by a narrow majority.

The painful reality in about 3 months it has to be revoted.

Those sneaky pesky Russianz did it!!!

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/lb-comp-blame-russia.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=750&h=500&crop=1)

Actress Alyssa Milano Blames Russians for Ohio Loss
https://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/08/08/actress-alyssa-milano-blames-russians-for-ohio-loss/

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/15/22/4A3B6F4E00000578-0-image-a-2_1521152089936.jpg)

(https://sadlyfunnybuttrue.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/11065913_807748619309375_2599199538052552273_n.jpg?w=700)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 08, 2018, 02:01:56 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 07, 2018, 08:46:32 PM

It seems the Republicans won the election, by a narrow majority.
The painful reality in about 3 months it has to be re-voted.

True that . . . . . . .

This run-off and the results from the Pennsylvania 18th show that there
is quite a bid of discord among independents that voted for Trump in 2016.

It shows that when the Democrats run a likable, moderate and qualified
candidate rather than a whack-job left wing socialists, they CAN be VERY
competitive in many swing house districts.

Does that translate into 24 pick-up seats in November?

Perhaps.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 08, 2018, 03:19:19 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 08, 2018, 02:01:56 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 07, 2018, 08:46:32 PM
It seems the Republicans won the election, by a narrow majority.
The painful reality in about 3 months it has to be re-voted.

True that . . . . . . .

This run-off and the results from the Pennsylvania 18th show that there
is quite a bid of discord among independents that voted for Trump in 2016.

It shows that when the Democrats run a likable, moderate and qualified
candidate rather than a whack-job left wing socialists, they CAN be VERY
competitive in many swing house districts.

Does that translate into 24 pick-up seats in November?

Perhaps.

Another question for your question, how many likeable moderate candidates do the democrats have?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 08, 2018, 03:41:16 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 08, 2018, 03:19:19 PM

Another question for your question, how many likeable moderate candidates do the democrats have?

4
3
2
1

They don't have any left

Title: Fox News Gaff
Post by: shakespear on August 17, 2018, 10:08:25 AM

Good intentions gone bad -

Fox News did an 11-minute tribute to Aretha Franklin last night.

Problem was they used a photo of Patti LaBelle instead of Mrs Franklin in the middle of the story.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fox-news-pays-tribute-aretha-franklin-image-patti-labelle-220952681.html

I guess at Fox they all look alike . . . . . . .

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on August 17, 2018, 12:20:00 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on August 08, 2018, 03:19:19 PM

Another question for your question, how many likeable moderate candidates do the democrats have?

I think they will end up running Biden. He may not be likeable to most of us but he is a better candidate with less baggage than Hillary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 17, 2018, 03:24:10 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on August 17, 2018, 12:20:00 PM

I think they will end up running Biden. He may not be likable to most of us but he is a better candidate with less baggage than Hillary.

Plugs Biden has lost more national races than anybody except Ralph Nader.
The Democrats are going to nominate a wacko radical nutter far to the left
of Bernie Sanders and then they will LOSE by a landslide and then once again
they will lose their minds.

The wacko's have taken over the DNC and anybody slightly normal need
not apply.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on August 17, 2018, 06:08:58 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on August 17, 2018, 03:24:10 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on August 17, 2018, 12:20:00 PM
I think they will end up running Biden. He may not be likable to most of us but he is a better candidate with less baggage than Hillary.

Plugs Biden has lost more national races than anybody except Ralph Nader.
The Democrats are going to nominate a wacko radical nutter far to the left
of Bernie Sanders and then they will LOSE by a landslide and then once again
they will lose their minds.

The wacko's have taken over the DNC and anybody slightly normal need
not apply.

In fairness, I think that "honor" belongs to Walter Mondale. He was the undercard on the 44-6 state shellacking of 1980, when Reagan crushed The Apostle Jimmy Carter, and he then went on to lose 49 states (winning only his home state of Minnesota in an electoral version of a pity-fcuk) against Reagan in 1984...and then lost the 2002 Minnesota Senate race to Norm Coleman, meaning he had lost federal elections in all 50 states (44 of them twice) making him The Biggest Loser, Ever.

Fritz is a nice guy, but awfully shrill as a candidate. For our Brit friends he's something of a cross between (15%) John Major (but not as likable) and (85%) Clement Attlee.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 17, 2018, 06:24:30 PM

Quote from: B.B. on August 17, 2018, 06:08:58 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on August 17, 2018, 03:24:10 PM
Quote from: Texan77 on August 17, 2018, 12:20:00 PM
I think they will end up running Biden. He may not be likable to most of us but he is a better candidate with less baggage than Hillary.

Plugs Biden has lost more national races than anybody except Ralph Nader.
The Democrats are going to nominate a wacko radical nutter far to the left
of Bernie Sanders and then they will LOSE by a landslide and then once again
they will lose their minds.

The wacko's have taken over the DNC and anybody slightly normal need
not apply.

In fairness, I think that "honor" belongs to Walter Mondale. He was the undercard on the 44-6 state shellacking of 1980, when Reagan crushed The Apostle Jimmy Carter, and he then went on to lose 49 states (winning only his home state of Minnesota in an electoral version of a pity-fcuk) against Reagan in 1984...and then lost the 2002 Minnesota Senate race to Norm Coleman, meaning he had lost federal elections in all 50 states (44 of them twice) making him The Biggest Loser, Ever.

Fritz is a nice guy, but awfully shrill as a candidate. For our Brit friends he's something of a cross between (15%) John Major (but not as likable) and (85%) Clement Attlee.

B/B

Boom! “Biggest Loser Ever”.

With all due respect I believe that would be Hillary.

Never in the history of US politics was there a worse candidate with a lesser grasp of reality. Won’t she just croak from a stroke, stat?!! :laugh:

BTW who is Fritz?

https://heavy.com/news/2016/10/hillary-clinton-anthony-weiner-twitter-memes-jokes-wife-huma-abedin-emails-james-comey-funny-funniest-trump-dickileaks-dikileaks/22/amp/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on August 17, 2018, 07:05:22 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2018, 06:24:30 PM

Quote from: B.B. on August 17, 2018, 06:08:58 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on August 17, 2018, 03:24:10 PM
Quote from: Texan77 on August 17, 2018, 12:20:00 PM
I think they will end up running Biden. He may not be likable to most of us but he is a better candidate with less baggage than Hillary.

Plugs Biden has lost more national races than anybody except Ralph Nader.
The Democrats are going to nominate a wacko radical nutter far to the left
of Bernie Sanders and then they will LOSE by a landslide and then once again
they will lose their minds.

The wacko's have taken over the DNC and anybody slightly normal need
not apply.

In fairness, I think that "honor" belongs to Walter Mondale. He was the undercard on the 44-6 state shellacking of 1980, when Reagan crushed The Apostle Jimmy Carter, and he then went on to lose 49 states (winning only his home state of Minnesota in an electoral version of a pity-fcuk) against Reagan in 1984...and then lost the 2002 Minnesota Senate race to Norm Coleman, meaning he had lost federal elections in all 50 states (44 of them twice) making him The Biggest Loser, Ever.

Fritz is a nice guy, but awfully shrill as a candidate. For our Brit friends he's something of a cross between (15%) John Major (but not as likable) and (85%) Clement Attlee.

B/B

Boom! “Biggest Loser Ever”.

With all due respect I believe that would be Hillary.

Never in the history of US politics was there a worse candidate with a lesser grasp of reality. Won’t she just croak from a stroke, stat?!! :laugh:

BTW who is Fritz?

https://heavy.com/news/2016/10/hillary-clinton-anthony-weiner-twitter-memes-jokes-wife-huma-abedin-emails-james-comey-funny-funniest-trump-dickileaks-dikileaks/22/amp/

I believe Fritz was a "nickname" for Mondale's middle name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mondale

http://frozenfeetfilm.com/fritz/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 17, 2018, 07:32:39 PM

BTW I’m looking forward to the next Civil War in the USA, especially with guys like this on our side.

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/08/16/texas-man-claims-record-breaking-3-mile-shot/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on August 17, 2018, 08:05:30 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2018, 07:32:39 PM

BTW I’m looking forward to the next Civil War in the USA, especially with guys like this on our side.

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/08/16/texas-man-claims-record-breaking-3-mile-shot/

That's what I'm talking about! :party0031:

He should send the dorks at Guinness one of their books with a bullet hole right through the center.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 17, 2018, 08:20:55 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on August 17, 2018, 08:05:30 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2018, 07:32:39 PM
BTW I’m looking forward to the next Civil War in the USA, especially with guys like this on our side.

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/08/16/texas-man-claims-record-breaking-3-mile-shot/

That's what I'm talking about! :party0031:

He should send the dorks at Guinness one of their books with a bullet hole right through the center.

:laugh: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 17, 2018, 08:23:58 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on August 17, 2018, 08:05:30 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2018, 07:32:39 PM
BTW I’m looking forward to the next Civil War in the USA, especially with guys like this on our side.

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/08/16/texas-man-claims-record-breaking-3-mile-shot/

That's what I'm talking about! :party0031:

He should send the dorks at Guinness one of their books with a bullet hole right through the center.

Not sure why anyone would look forward to a Civil War.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 17, 2018, 08:28:41 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 17, 2018, 08:23:58 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on August 17, 2018, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2018, 07:32:39 PM
BTW I’m looking forward to the next Civil War in the USA, especially with guys like this on our side.

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/08/16/texas-man-claims-record-breaking-3-mile-shot/

That's what I'm talking about! :party0031:

He should send the dorks at Guinness one of their books with a bullet hole right through the center.

Not sure why anyone would look forward to a Civil War.

That’s because you’ll be on the losing side. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on August 17, 2018, 08:32:03 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 17, 2018, 08:23:58 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on August 17, 2018, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2018, 07:32:39 PM
BTW I’m looking forward to the next Civil War in the USA, especially with guys like this on our side.

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/08/16/texas-man-claims-record-breaking-3-mile-shot/

That's what I'm talking about! :party0031:

He should send the dorks at Guinness one of their books with a bullet hole right through the center.

Not sure why anyone would look forward to a Civil War.

Only those of us who are prepared look forward to another civil war. :laugh:

Bloodshed is the American way. In the next few months I'll be testing my siege mortar. Working to procure access to a range large enough... hoping to produce some high def / high speed videos of the shoot.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 17, 2018, 08:33:51 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2018, 08:28:41 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 17, 2018, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: Lord of the Dance on August 17, 2018, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2018, 07:32:39 PM
BTW I’m looking forward to the next Civil War in the USA, especially with guys like this on our side.

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/08/16/texas-man-claims-record-breaking-3-mile-shot/

That's what I'm talking about! :party0031:

He should send the dorks at Guinness one of their books with a bullet hole right through the center.

Not sure why anyone would look forward to a Civil War.

That’s because you’ll be on the losing side. :chuckle:

Because you do not value press freedom, freedom to associate, freedom of religion, freedom to vote and freedom to think . . .

[Edited by Moderator: Remove blatant insult.]

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 17, 2018, 08:51:47 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 17, 2018, 08:33:51 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2018, 08:28:41 PM
Quote from: AvHdB on August 17, 2018, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: Lord of the Dance on August 17, 2018, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2018, 07:32:39 PM
BTW I’m looking forward to the next Civil War in the USA, especially with guys like this on our side.

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/08/16/texas-man-claims-record-breaking-3-mile-shot/

That's what I'm talking about! :party0031:

He should send the dorks at Guinness one of their books with a bullet hole right through the center.

Not sure why anyone would look forward to a Civil War.

That’s because you’ll be on the losing side. :chuckle:

Because you do not value press freedom, freedom to associate, freedom of religion, freedom to vote and freedom to think . . .

Freedom of the Press? You’re exceeding your usual low brainwave activity with that one, and the rest follow in that vein.

99% of the US Press is owned by 5 major Corporations, which are owned by 5 Zionist Jewish Billionaires.

If we had actual freedom of the press there would be competition as well as legitimately competing opinions and information.

We don’t which is how and why lemmings like you come about; besides the cradle to grave Marxist programming.

Freedom to Associate? You really bit off more than you can chew with that one. Gays could not force bakers to bake nor could Antifa shut down (alleged) white nationalist gatherings with violence.

Freedom of Association means stuff you don’t approve of gets to happen because of balance, something that authoritarian East Coast liberals like you cannot comprehend.

Lord of the Dance and I are joking around, and yet we’re also ready for what the Communist/Democratic party is pushing for. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 17, 2018, 09:05:01 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on August 17, 2018, 08:32:03 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 17, 2018, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: Lord of the Dance on August 17, 2018, 08:05:30 PM
Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2018, 07:32:39 PM
BTW I’m looking forward to the next Civil War in the USA, especially with guys like this on our side.

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/08/16/texas-man-claims-record-breaking-3-mile-shot/

That's what I'm talking about! :party0031:

He should send the dorks at Guinness one of their books with a bullet hole right through the center.

Not sure why anyone would look forward to a Civil War.

Only those of us who are prepared look forward to another civil war. :laugh:

Bloodshed is the American way. In the next few months I'll be testing my siege mortar. Working to procure access to a range large enough... hoping to produce some high def / high speed videos of the shoot.

Sounds awesome man! Hope you share a video with me when you’re ready.

Notice how the liberals who think they have a right to commit sedition and hope to overthrow a lawfully elected President think that we’re not paying attention?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on August 18, 2018, 06:39:20 AM

So I cleaned up some personal attacks on this thread.

Verdict: Cut the shit.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 18, 2018, 09:05:21 AM

As most know by now President Trump cut former CIA Director Brennan’s access to classified material. I think it should be automatically cut on all former people when a new administraton comes in.

This article from 2013 about Brennan very revealing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/07/john-brennan-dishonesty-cia-director-nomination

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 18, 2018, 09:13:53 AM

Putting a face, or faces, on the Deep State. Makes me like Trump even more.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/60-former-cia-officials-sign-letter-against-trumps-security-clearance-decision/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 18, 2018, 09:17:53 AM

Former CIA Director Hayden signed, here’s what Veterans Today magazine thinks of that guy.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/05/01/hayden/

Not just one, but two wars to be fought.
In a conversation with Veterans Today Editor Gordon Duff, who has hung around with high-level military and intelligence insiders, I once asked: In the immediate aftermath of 9/11, why did the huge majority of top military and intel people go along with the official story, which (as you just admitted) they knew to be a lie? Gordon’s answer: the only alternative was civil war.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 18, 2018, 02:48:15 PM

Brennan not popular with this Benghazi survivor.

Kris Paronto
@KrisParonto
Minimum standards of decency huh John?? Is that similar to the decency you had calling those who risked their lives to save your cowardly @CIA staffers in Libya liars??How about the decency you had when you suspended our Security clearances for the same?? You’re pathetic ????
John O. Brennan
✔
@JohnBrennan
It’s astounding how often you fail to live up to minimum standards of decency, civility, & probity. Seems like you will never understand what it means to be president, nor what it takes to be a good, decent, & honest person. So disheartening, so dangerous for our Nation.

http://fbnewscycle.com/kris-paronto-benghazi-hero-just-exposed-the-real-john-brennan-this-man-is-a-demon/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 18, 2018, 03:05:07 PM

HOW THE LEFT IS OUTSOURCING CENSORSHIP OF THE INTERNET
AUGUST 17, 2018 BY JOHN HINDERAKER

Liberals control every newspaper in America, as far as I know, except the Manchester Union Leader. They control CBS, ABC, NBC and every cable
network except Fox News. They control what is left of the news magazines,
and pretty much every other magazine, too.

Only talk radio and the pesky internet lie outside their grasp, so that is
where they seek to impose censorship.

But they have a problem: the First Amendment. The government can’t
suppress conservative speech on the ground that it is “hate speech,” i.e.,
something that liberals don’t like. That was recently reaffirmed by a 9-0
decision of the Supreme Court.

So liberals have outsourced censorship of the internet to the tech titans
of Silicon Valley.

read the rest here
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/08/how-the-left-is-outsourcing-censorship-of-the-internet.php

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 18, 2018, 03:27:17 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on August 18, 2018, 03:05:07 PM

HOW THE LEFT IS OUTSOURCING CENSORSHIP OF THE INTERNET
AUGUST 17, 2018 BY JOHN HINDERAKER

Liberals control every newspaper in America, as far as I know, except the Manchester Union Leader. They control CBS, ABC, NBC and every cable
network except Fox News. They control what is left of the news magazines,
and pretty much every other magazine, too.

Only talk radio and the pesky internet lie outside their grasp, so that is
where they seek to impose censorship.

But they have a problem: the First Amendment. The government can’t
suppress conservative speech on the ground that it is “hate speech,” i.e.,
something that liberals don’t like. That was recently reaffirmed by a 9-0
decision of the Supreme Court.

So liberals have outsourced censorship of the internet to the tech titans
of Silicon Valley.

read the rest here
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/08/how-the-left-is-outsourcing-censorship-of-the-internet.php

Great post Bill. This is what it seems to me Liberals just don’t get. They see a lot of news outlets but they do not realize they’re owned by a few conglomerates and they mostly cover the exact same stuff in the same way. Not really a “free” press when it’s mostly all framed a similar way.

Also read the link I just posted immediately above about Brennan. He was editing and politicizing intel to please Obama. 50 analysts complained about their information being changed for political reasons. You never heard this from the main outlets; maybe Fox News, which Liberals refuse to watch.

But you do hear the MSM claiming that CIA people signed a petition against Trump. All cherry picked reports because he’s not one of them. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 19, 2018, 09:41:58 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 18, 2018, 09:05:21 AM

As most know by now President Trump cut former CIA Director Brennan’s access to classified material. I think it should be automatically cut on all former people when a new administraton comes in.

This article from 2013 about Brennan very revealing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/07/john-brennan-dishonesty-cia-director-nomination

Is there a difference between clearance and access? I assume that there is.

I know that in the U.S. security clearance is always at the prerogative of the president and that in many, if not most, cases it is retained after finishing a position requiring such clearance. That makes a whole heap of sense given the resources required to assess whether a person should be eligible for clearance. Imagine the bother if every new employment required re-clearing a candidate for the position, or assignment.

However, when finishing working in a post requiring clearance it seems to me that access to the classified material must end and that unauthorized access to any classified material should be punished severely.

The implication of what I am reading is that Brennan has been getting unauthorized access to classified material and, if true, that's the issue, not the security clearance itself.

Title: Re: President Trump
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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 19, 2018, 03:47:21 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 19, 2018, 09:41:58 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 18, 2018, 09:05:21 AM
As most know by now President Trump cut former CIA Director Brennan’s access to classified material. I think it should be automatically cut on all former people when a new administraton comes in.

This article from 2013 about Brennan very revealing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/07/john-brennan-dishonesty-cia-director-nomination

Is there a difference between clearance and access? I assume that there is.

I know that in the U.S. security clearance is always at the prerogative of the president and that in many, if not most, cases it is retained after finishing a position requiring such clearance. That makes a whole heap of sense given the resources required to assess whether a person should be eligible for clearance. Imagine the bother if every new employment required re-clearing a candidate for the position, or assignment.

However, when finishing working in a post requiring clearance it seems to me that access to the classified material must end and that unauthorized access to any classified material should be punished severely.

The implication of what I am reading is that Brennan has been getting unauthorized access to classified material and, if true, that's the issue, not the security clearance itself.

No that is not true, Brennan was authorized to continue to get access and not only that he had the highest rating being the former director of the CIA, which was Top Secret and SCI. So Brennan is throwing a hissy fit because Trump cut him off.

There are still about 10 people who have access to Top Secret or higher classified material and they were involved in this fake Dossier crap -- the Dossier was paid for by Hillary's people in the DNC.

Normal FBI procedure would have been to warn Trump that they thought Russians might try to contact him and compromise him. This was not done because the whole thing was a set up by Obama and his people in the FBI, CIA to make Trump look bad. It's called a "honey trap" I'm sure you are familiar with that term although there are various meanings and versions to this. The whole thing was set up by Hillary, Obama, Brennan and Strozk. Trump is correct, it's a witch hunt, but his problem is they're trying to entrap him with Perjury (like Bill Clinton) and Obstruction of Justice.

It's outrageous because all of Hillary's numerous Felonies with classified material being on a private server, etc. just got swept under the rug and ignored.

source: Quora
Top Secret is the highest classification level. Beyond that, there are dozens of "caveats" that make for different requirements for the information. For example, SCI means Secure Compartmentalized Information; it is stored separate from normal TS info and only people who are cleared for SCI are allowed to view it. CRYPTO information is designated for info that relates to cryptographic gear and related material. COSMIC is NATO material. NOFORN means no foreign nationals.

"Sensitive" is not a classification level. It would technically be UNCLASSIFIED/FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY, or sometimes seen as SENSITIVE BUT UNCLASSIFIED. This would be information that has personally identifiable information, such as birthdates, SSNs, HIPAA, etc.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 19, 2018, 05:47:10 PM

If he was still being sent documents that he'd have had access to while employed then that's simply wrong. A foolish practice and should not have been happening.

Removing his security clearance is then a tool to stop his 'legitimate' access to such material. That's good. Righting a wrong. It also means that if he comes out with statements based upon access to classified documents then he can be sanctioned, and that's a good thing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 19, 2018, 05:53:36 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 19, 2018, 05:47:10 PM

If he was still being sent documents that he'd have had access to while employed then that's simply wrong. A foolish practice and should not have been happening.

Removing his security clearance is then a tool to stop his 'legitimate' access to such material. That's good. Righting a wrong. It also means that if he comes out with statements based upon access to classified documents then he can be sanctioned, and that's a good thing.

It’s an odd practice but American security officials and others do not lose access on an automatic basis when a new President comes in.

James Clapper committed perjury in front of Congress and yet he still has access. It’s both sloppy and bizarre. Change is overdue.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 19, 2018, 06:14:38 PM

J. Brennan posted a number of times that were highly critical D. Trump. It was not appropriate to some one of his stature to attack the President.

On the other side as a courtesy and sign of respect for service given security clearance are often continued. Is it correct? No - are these former officials selling information. I guess no.

Often there are times that an administration will consult with former members of the CIA. The problem is with far more junior members of the security apparatus.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 19, 2018, 07:52:05 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 19, 2018, 05:47:10 PM

If he was still being sent documents that he'd have had access to while employed then that's simply wrong. A foolish practice and should not have been happening.

Removing his security clearance is then a tool to stop his 'legitimate' access to such material. That's good. Righting a wrong. It also means that if he comes out with statements based upon access to classified documents then he can be sanctioned, and that's a good thing.

Andrew,
Read just the first 3 paragraphs of this article, and then ask yourself, if you were President of the USA, would you want this guy to still have access to confidential information? Believe it or not he does.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-11-17/lawmakers-resume-calls-for-james-clapper-perjury-charges%3fcontext=amp

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 20, 2018, 08:55:17 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 19, 2018, 06:14:38 PM

J. Brennan posted a number of times that were highly critical D. Trump. It was not appropriate to some one of his stature to attack the President.

He said that the President committed treason and implied that he had
special knowledge about it. Then he walked back his comment a bit
when he called Trumps "behavior treasonous which is to betray one's
trust and to aiding and abet the enemy and I stand very much by that
claim."

So by spewing that gobble-de-goop implies that he doesn't know what
treason is, which is spelled out in the constitution. Later he called all
sorts of things treasonous, including taking his clearance away.

US Constitution, Article three section three
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against
them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

Brennan: "I Stand Very Much By" Accusing President Trump Of Treason
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/19/brennan_on_sunday_i_stand_by_accusing_president_trump_of_treason.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 20, 2018, 09:32:08 AM

Confederate, go back and try again. You or your helper, will see that I made it clear that I do not think it appropriate for anyone to have access to confidential material when it is no longer required for them to carry out their work.

As I noted, maintaining security clearance is an administrative convenience. However, that clearance is not for the benefit of the holder but for his employer.

The important point is not clearance but access. Access should routinely be denied when ANY person leaves a position where access was previously given. Remember that classified material is often compartmentalised so that one might see item A in position Z or item B in position Y with the same security clearance but not both of them at the same time.

What Brennan seems to have been doing, with the connivance of others, is wrong, inexcusable, and might be illegal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 20, 2018, 09:33:50 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 19, 2018, 05:47:10 PM

If he was still being sent documents that he'd have had access to while employed then that's simply wrong. A foolish practice and should not have been happening.

Removing his security clearance is then a tool to stop his 'legitimate' access to such material. That's good. Righting a wrong. It also means that if he comes out with statements based upon access to classified documents then he can be sanctioned, and that's a good thing.

As a former S-2 officer for 3rdBn 11th Marines I at one time had Top Secret access and clearance and unlike many of the previous posters, understand the complexities about the procedure that differentiates the two.

I'd be happy to explain but don't want to bore anybody.

NOTE: Fifi is the closest to being right

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 20, 2018, 11:55:02 AM

The media didn't get very excited when the Obama administration scrubbed
government security clearances, but if it's done today? That's the stuff
of banana republics and tin horn dictatorships and it totally violates the
first amendment (I still don't get that theory).

W.H. looks to scrub clearance list
11/21/2013 When Obama was president
James Clapper asks agencies to perform a top-to-bottom scrub.
[note by Bill, this quote is from the middle of the article follow the link to
read the entire thing]

"The new order may not have much immediate effect on the number of people with security clearances. That’s because individuals retain their clearances for a period of time even after they leave their jobs or are deemed to no longer require access to classified information."

“I ask that agency heads… conduct a comprehensive review validating that each government employee or contractor who has been granted a security clearance continues to require such eligibility for access to classified national security information in support of their current position or your agency’s mission,”

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/government-security-clearance-list-100195

[Paraphrased by Bill from a Fox opinion piece, see link below for original]
Brennan, who now works as a national security analyst for PMSNBC has no
business browsing through our country’s most important and sensitive national security secrets.

Clearance to classified information is granted based on a “need to know.”
Brennan has none, so there was no reason to allow him continued access.
He does have a long pattern of misuse of his authority and lying about it.

It has been customary to allow former senior officials to keep their clearances
so current officials can consult with them. No one in the Trump administration
is or should be consulting with someone as partisan as Brennan, so pulling his
clearance was right.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/08/16/trump-was-right-to-revoke-brennans-security-clearance.html

CIA director John Brennan lied to you and to the Senate
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/31/cia-director-john-brennan-lied-senate

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 20, 2018, 11:58:59 AM

Quote from: shakespear on August 20, 2018, 09:33:50 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 19, 2018, 05:47:10 PM
If he was still being sent documents that he'd have had access to while employed then that's simply wrong. A foolish practice and should not have been happening.

Removing his security clearance is then a tool to stop his 'legitimate' access to such material. That's good. Righting a wrong. It also means that if he comes out with statements based upon access to classified documents then he can be sanctioned, and that's a good thing.

As a former S-2 officer for 3rdBn 11th Marines I at one time had Top Secret access and clearance and unlike many of the previous posters, understand the complexities about the procedure that differentiates the two.

I'd be happy to explain but don't want to bore anybody.

NOTE: Fifi is the closest to being right

I disagree. Fifi still doesn’t comprehend that in the USA Brenner and others had access to confidential US intel. Brenner may have been misusing his access as a talk show host but that’s different. I’m arguing that Brenner and Clapper and company should all immediately lose access when they leave their jobs. End of story.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 20, 2018, 12:10:42 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 20, 2018, 09:32:08 AM

Confederate, go back and try again. You or your helper, will see that I made it clear that I do not think it appropriate for anyone to have access to confidential material when it is no longer required for them to carry out their work.

As I noted, maintaining security clearance is an administrative convenience. However, that clearance is not for the benefit of the holder but for his employer.

The important point is not clearance but access. Access should routinely be denied when ANY person leaves a position where access was previously given. Remember that classified material is often compartmentalised so that one might see item A in position Z or item B in position Y with the same security clearance but not both of them at the same time.

What Brennan seems to have been doing, with the connivance of others, is wrong, inexcusable, and might be illegal.

You get your helper and go back and read what I wrote because we’re partly on the same page. Go ahead, you can do it, but this time read the words slow enough so as to comprehend: I already wrote that all these clowns (Brennan, Clapper, Yates, etc.) should ALL lose ACCESS. I capitalized the word access just for you.

If you had read about Army Ranger Kris Paronto of the Benghazi debacle which I posted above for you and others you would no that it was Brennan who took his access away and made him sign a NDA about what was really happening in Libya under SoS Hillary C.

Brennan is squealing like a pig yet he’s a colossal hypocrite.

Drink a double shot expresso and try to keep up old chap. :coffeeread:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 20, 2018, 12:10:58 PM

Apparently the media have been too much of a good thing lately
and their deification of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) is getting
a bit too much like groupies.

(https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/1530557060404.jpg)

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Banned the Media From Her Latest Town Hall Event
https://www.mediaite.com/online/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-banned-the-media-from-her-latest-town-hall-event/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 20, 2018, 12:14:29 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on August 20, 2018, 11:55:02 AM

The media didn't get very excited when the Obama administration scrubbed
government security clearances, but if it's done today? That's the stuff
of banana republics and tin horn dictatorships and it totally violates the
first amendment (I still don't get that theory).

W.H. looks to scrub clearance list
11/21/2013 When Obama was president
James Clapper asks agencies to perform a top-to-bottom scrub.
[note by Bill, this quote is from the middle of the article follow the link to
read the entire thing]

"The new order may not have much immediate effect on the number of people with security clearances. That’s because individuals retain their clearances for a period of time even after they leave their jobs or are deemed to no longer require access to classified information."

“I ask that agency heads… conduct a comprehensive review validating that each government employee or contractor who has been granted a security clearance continues to require such eligibility for access to classified national security information in support of their current position or your agency’s mission,”

https://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/government-security-clearance-list-100195

[Paraphrased by Bill from a Fox opinion piece, see link below for original]
Brennan, who now works as a national security analyst for PMSNBC has no
business browsing through our country’s most important and sensitive national security secrets.

Clearance to classified information is granted based on a “need to know.”
Brennan has none, so there was no reason to allow him continued access.
He does have a long pattern of misuse of his authority and lying about it.

It has been customary to allow former senior officials to keep their clearances
so current officials can consult with them. No one in the Trump administration
is or should be consulting with someone as partisan as Brennan, so pulling his
clearance was right.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/08/16/trump-was-right-to-revoke-brennans-security-clearance.html

CIA director John Brennan lied to you and to the Senate
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/31/cia-director-john-brennan-lied-senate

Good post Bill. Brennan, Clapper, etc. all deep state Partisan hacks who would be lined up and shot by firing squad in a better World.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 20, 2018, 12:16:26 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 20, 2018, 12:10:42 PM

Brennan is squealing like a pig yet he’s a colossal hypocrite.

Brennan wouldn't even have a security clearance in any administration
besides the Obama admin.

FACT CHECK: DID JOHN BRENNAN ONCE VOTE FOR THE COMMUNIST PARTY?

Brennan voted for Gus Hall, the presidential candidate for the Communist Party USA, in 1976.

http://checkyourfact.com/2018/07/19/fact-check-brennan-vote-communist/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 20, 2018, 12:22:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 20, 2018, 11:58:59 AM

I disagree. Fifi still doesn’t comprehend that in the USA Brenner and others had access to confidential US intel. Brenner may have been misusing his access as a talk show host but that’s different. I’m arguing that Brenner and Clapper and company should all immediately lose access when they leave their jobs. End of story.

No he didn't and yes they do.

A security CLEARANCE is a rather long term classification which requires an
intensive personnel and background check.

ACCESS is granted based on your need to know.

Brenner's ACCESS was withdrawn when he left the CIA. It could be reactivated
on a case-by-case basis based on his need to know or provide input on a particular
topic.

But he maintained his CLEARANCE.

For example, if the Secretary of Agriculture needed Brenner's advice on the contents
of a top secret report on the grain production of Russia and China, he could grant
ACCESS to Brenner that particular information based on his existing CLEARANCE.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 20, 2018, 12:44:13 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 20, 2018, 12:22:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 20, 2018, 11:58:59 AM
I disagree. Fifi still doesn’t comprehend that in the USA Brenner and others had access to confidential US intel. Brenner may have been misusing his access as a talk show host but that’s different. I’m arguing that Brenner and Clapper and company should all immediately lose access when they leave their jobs. End of story.

No he didn't and yes they do.

A security CLEARANCE is a rather long term classification which requires an
intensive personnel and background check.

ACCESS is granted based on your need to know.

Brenner's ACCESS was withdrawn when he left the CIA. It could be reactivated
on a case-by-case basis based on his need to know or provide input on a particular
topic.

But he maintained his CLEARANCE.

For example, if the Secretary of Agriculture needed Brenner's advice on the contents
of a top secret report on the grain production of Russia and China, he could grant
ACCESS to Brenner that particular information based on his existing CLEARANCE.

Okay then yes we’re all on the same page. Except what I’m saying (and Andrew alluded to it) is that somebody or some somebodies has been giving Brennan ongoing access to a whole bunch of stuff. Take away his clearance and they’re both committing felonies.

Soon enough I’m fairly certain Trump will revoke a whole bunch of people who no longer should have security clearances.

I went through my background checks back in 1982 and was granted Secret classified as my clearance in 1983; my job entailed reading and delivering classified material as a courier as well as sending and receiving it with crypto gear.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 20, 2018, 04:30:05 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 19, 2018, 05:53:36 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on August 19, 2018, 05:47:10 PM
If he was still being sent documents that he'd have had access to while employed then that's simply wrong. A foolish practice and should not have been happening.

Removing his security clearance is then a tool to stop his 'legitimate' access to such material. That's good. Righting a wrong. It also means that if he comes out with statements based upon access to classified documents then he can be sanctioned, and that's a good thing.

It’s an odd practice but American security officials and others do not lose access on an automatic basis when a new President comes in.

James Clapper committed perjury in front of Congress and yet he still has access. It’s both sloppy and bizarre. Change is overdue.

I misspoke on an important word in this post and the following post and therefore will apologize to Andrew. I meant to write that Clapper lost access when he retired however he retained his security classification which as Shakespeare properly explained someone with current access to a document could consult with Clapper for his opinion and in the process allow Clapper to read it.

I believe all former government officers should probably have their security clearances revoked, which is what President Trump is reviewing.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 20, 2018, 04:53:38 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 20, 2018, 12:44:13 PM

Okay then yes we’re all on the same page. Except what I’m saying (and Andrew alluded to it) is that somebody or some somebodies has been giving Brennan ongoing access to a whole bunch of stuff. Take away his clearance and they’re both committing felonies.

Soon enough I’m fairly certain Trump will revoke a whole bunch of people who no longer should have security clearances.

I went through my background checks back in 1982 and was granted Secret classified as my clearance in 1983; my job entailed reading and delivering classified material as a courier as well as sending and receiving it with crypto gear.

Trump should revoke Hillary's and Obama's clearance as well and let the
media have litters of kittens on camera. Maybe a nice little tweet about
it would set their hair on fire?

(https://i.imgur.com/FpcN8fN.gif)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 20, 2018, 05:21:30 PM

You merkins really need to learn to read and, if you don't understand something, ask for clarification rather than inventing stuff.

You poor, poor, people. :'(

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 21, 2018, 11:18:07 AM

What do you think her cut is? 50% 60%?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5d/7c/ce/5d7cce6ce630df374f1c23bbe2c04b78.jpg)

Hillary Clinton steps back into the fray to fundraise for Democrats this fall
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-steps-back-fray-fundraise-democrats-fall-n902326

(https://memestatic.fjcdn.com/pictures/Hillary_6f4ae9_6662589.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on August 22, 2018, 05:01:11 AM

Not looking so rosy for 'Trumpu' this morning ...

At best, he can claim he keeps choosing his team unwisely ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 22, 2018, 09:08:35 AM

Michael Cohen pleads guilty to violating campaign finance laws. B/B or Shakespeare could you guys offer a legal opinion as to whether this is real trouble for President Trump?

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/21/michael-cohen-striking-deal-with-federal-prosecutors.amp.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 22, 2018, 01:34:56 PM

Quote from: msmoby on August 22, 2018, 05:01:11 AM

Not looking so rosy for 'Trumpu' this morning ...

At best, he can claim he keeps choosing his team unwisely ...

As I recall Obama paid the highest penalty ever due to campaign finance laws being broken. No one had to go to trial and nobody went to prison.

Then again he’s a Democrat and in the USA they’re special; laws don’t apply to them. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on August 22, 2018, 01:57:35 PM

This isn't about fact or law but perception.

So many months and, of course, Mueller and his team have no Russian 'collusion' but now they have two men found guilty of 'something' so all efforts will be made to suggest, but never prove, that Trump is guilty of 'something' because two people who worked for him are guilty of 'something'.

In modern United States perception is more important than reality. It goes with the idea that everyone can have an opinion about anything and that all opinions are equally valid no matter what the facts are. Millions of Americans are going to be programmed with valueless opinions which will be taken as their own by people unable to learn, or think, for themselves.

And yes, Team Trump will be forced to play the same game.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on August 22, 2018, 02:06:59 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on August 21, 2018, 11:18:07 AM

What do you think her cut is? 50% 60%?

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5d/7c/ce/5d7cce6ce630df374f1c23bbe2c04b78.jpg)

Hillary Clinton steps back into the fray to fundraise for Democrats this fall
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-steps-back-fray-fundraise-democrats-fall-n902326

(https://memestatic.fjcdn.com/pictures/Hillary_6f4ae9_6662589.jpg)

I can't stand Hillary Clinton or her stupid dumb ass husband..

I only have one wish and that is she drops down dead as soon as possible to do everyone. a favour..

A dead Clinton is the best Clinton ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on August 22, 2018, 02:14:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 22, 2018, 01:34:56 PM

As I recall Obama paid the highest penalty ever due to campaign finance laws being broken. No one had to go to trial and nobody went to prison.

It's true in the past campaign finance violations have been settled
with a moderate fine; usually in the mid five-figure range.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 22, 2018, 04:45:03 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 22, 2018, 09:08:35 AM

Michael Cohen pleads guilty to violating campaign finance laws. B/B or Shakespeare could you guys offer a legal opinion as to whether this is real trouble for President Trump?

I'm not B/B or Shakespeare, but I have an opinion. Left wing politifarce thinks
that it mostly ok depending on intent.

My take is that Cohen was his personal attorney paid a monthly retainer
for several years before he announced his candidacy for president. Cohen
pays the money and was reimbursed by Trump himself, not the campaign.
Therefore it was personal.

Do you remember John Edwards? His mistress got pregger's while his wife
was dying of cancer and two of his rich donors paid her nearly a million bucks
to stay out of sight during the twilight of his campaign. The jury found Edwards
not guilty on one charge and was deadlocked on five.

Justice Dept. won't retry Edwards
https://www.politico.com/story/2012/06/justice-dept-wont-retry-john-edwards-077398

The $130,000 Stormy Daniels payoff: Was it a campaign expenditure?
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/may/03/130000-stormy-daniels-payoff-was-it-campaign-expen/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 22, 2018, 04:55:55 PM

Quote from: shakespear on August 22, 2018, 02:14:24 PM

It's true in the past campaign finance violations have been settled
with a moderate fine; usually in the mid five-figure range.

Trump pales in comparison with Clinton

I know this was a long time ago but Charlie Trie gave Bill Clinton Red Chinese
money and Clinton had Loral teach them how to hit targets with missiles which
they could never do before.

He raised a combined $1.2 million for the Democratic National Committee and Clinton's legal defense fund

Charlie Trie's Tainted Money
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/30/opinion/charlie-trie-s-tainted-money.html

FBI Arrests Chinese Millionaire Once Tied to Clinton $$ Scandal
https://abcnews.go.com/International/fbi-arrests-chinese-millionaire-tied-clinton-scandal/story?id=33990683

Missile Failures Led To Loral-China Link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/campfin/stories/rocket061298.htm

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on August 22, 2018, 06:08:05 PM

Mark Levin knows what is what
.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 23, 2018, 05:13:36 PM

This is from the Turkish lira thread but is noteworthy here. I assume Wiz does not mind.

Quote from: Wiz on August 23, 2018, 04:48:39 PM

Andrew

I also read that very interesting and revealing article at NEO https://journal-neo.org/2018/08/20/washington-s-silent-weapon-for-not-so-quiet-wars/ and I am amazed that only one other person got involved with this conversation.

Did you hear the Trump statement, that "If he gets impeached the whole world economy will be destroyed" ?

Sorry no time to expand now......Maybe later.

Wiz, I read the news, and quote. What I find most amazing is that he expressed the possibility of facing impeachment proceedings.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on August 24, 2018, 01:35:20 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on August 23, 2018, 05:13:36 PM

This is from the Turkish lira thread but is noteworthy here. I assume Wiz does not mind.

Quote from: Wiz on August 23, 2018, 04:48:39 PM
Andrew

I also read that very interesting and revealing article at NEO https://journal-neo.org/2018/08/20/washington-s-silent-weapon-for-not-so-quiet-wars/ and I am amazed that only one other person got involved with this conversation.

Did you hear the Trump statement, that "If he gets impeached the whole world economy will be destroyed" ?

Sorry no time to expand now......Maybe later.

Wiz, I read the news, and quote. What I find most amazing is that he expressed the possibility of facing impeachment proceedings.

Dear Av

Of course I don't mind at all ...... but you have to remember.... one of Trumps predecessors, Billy Clinton was impeached .... because the poor guy, looking at his own pot at home..... couldn't be bothered so he had to look around to water many other pots of "flowers" .... one of them had the same name too and then he made the Cardinal mistake for which he had to be punished.

He enjoyed the tune of the trombone player at his office, could not hold his excitement and painted that beautiful blue dress, of the of trombone player, with a lot of white paint!

The Poor girl had no money to pay the dry cleaners so she took a photo evidence to support her claim of office expenses and cover up the overdraft in her Credit Card! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Truth of the matter is that most if not all of your Presidents
have lied to its voters and very few paid for their lies.

(https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/US-war-400x189.jpg)

Trump of course who was elected with the support of the Mafia Dons, never lies.....and will make America Great again ..... if the the Capo, NetaYahoo, let him do it!

We also would like to know if he thanked "shorty" for his support as we don't know what they have discussed alone in that room in Helsinki ?

Maybe permission for another Tower in Moscow supported with more Russian Dollars, as he did in the past, expanding his Tower numbers?

Or he just thanked him for his support during the elections?

Between you and me... I prefer Kabaeva from the Slovenian Iceberg because as an ex athletic girl must be offering all the best of Cama Sutra positions. :party0031:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on August 24, 2018, 01:54:19 AM

Quote from: Wiz on August 24, 2018, 01:35:20 AM

Between you and me... I prefer Kabaeva from the Slovenian Iceberg because as an ex athletic girl must be offering all the best of Cama Sutra positions. :party0031:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

tiphat

In my experience, the guys who refer to sex a lot - aren't getting much )

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 24, 2018, 11:47:58 AM

What I can't believe is that she didn't wait until she won the primary before making
the claim, because that's what the GOP does.

GOP Candidate say's being abducted by aliens doesn't define her.

The Miami Herald has endorsed Bettina Rodriguez Aguilera for the GOP in a 9 way
race. Ms Bettina Rodriguez Aguilera is the only GOP candidate that has claimed
to be abducted by space aliens which explains why the Herald chose her.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/os-florida-candidate-alien-abduction-20180823-story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on August 24, 2018, 04:08:12 PM

Quote from: msmoby on August 24, 2018, 01:54:19 AM

Quote from: Wiz on August 24, 2018, 01:35:20 AM

Between you and me... I prefer Kabaeva from the Slovenian Iceberg because as an ex athletic girl must be offering all the best of Cama Sutra positions. :party0031:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

tiphat

In my experience, the guys who refer to sex a lot - aren't getting much )

In my years around these forums, I noticed you are not the best charmer or catch on the world.

Judging from what we have seen and read about your numerous adventures in the FSU then it is pretty obvious your success rate was/is minimal, almost zero. Having lived for 10 years in Cyprus, an island full of tourist visitors, I wonder why you had to travel countless times in the FSU where the market around you was full of women and sex plentiful?

While most of us have found what we were looking for, settled down living a normal life, you still have to travel overseas.....for company and to satisfy your passion of photography ..... showing off your latest ornament of certain decades, according to your own writings, it does not offer you the best chances for watering the flower garden more often than us, if by any chance you still can!

That's life my friend Moby, either you have it or you don't and it is obvious you belong to the second category.

:biggrin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on August 25, 2018, 01:10:30 AM

Quote from: Wiz on August 24, 2018, 04:08:12 PM

In my years around these forums, I noticed you are not the best charmer or catch on the world.

:ROFL: Wiz will now 'justify' that comment:

Quote from: Wiz on August 24, 2018, 04:08:12 PM

Judging from what we have seen and read about your numerous adventures in the FSU then it is pretty obvious your success rate was/is minimal, almost zero. Having lived for 10 years in Cyprus, an island full of tourist visitors, I wonder why you had to travel countless times in the FSU where the market around you was full of women and sex plentiful?

Depends on how one defines, 'success' ... I do not NOT define 'success' as a trip(s) that results in a jump, a couple more visits and then a realisation - after a year - that neither of us is prepared to move to be with the other ... One lady was a journo in Kiev and wanted me to re-locate to there and t'other - a 10 - if judging the neck strains of men or ladies as she walked past - now lives in Barcelona ... not married - but happily running a biz..

I shared my early years with a Latvian / Russian who smoked - could not live with her - stinky ( puke) - but she was a wonderful lady and she wanted to settle down

After, being in an unhappy marriage I re-lived my teenage years in CY and was blissfully happy, Wiz ;)

Ironically, my choice to live on Cyprus was a limiting factor for ladies who had businesses / careers and felt it was 'village' like ...Even V, who was initially happy - found her son hating it and wanted to try life in the UK...

Quote from: Wiz on August 24, 2018, 04:08:12 PM

While most of us have found what we were looking for, settled down living a normal life, you still have to travel overseas.....for company and to satisfy your passion of photography ..... showing off your latest ornament of certain decades, according to your own writings, it does not offer you the best chances for watering the flower garden more often than us, if by any chance you still can!

That's life my friend Moby, either you have it or you don't and it is obvious you belong to the second category.

:ROFL:
Wiz, thanks for your 'advice' - but your powers of observation fail you ... I've been with the same 'photographic model' ( model, as in choice of subject) for five years and 'the garden' manages in my absence ... and gives the gardener much pleasure - even from afar ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 25, 2018, 06:52:23 PM

Confident that other members will diverse opinions J. MaCain has passed - RIP.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on August 26, 2018, 02:03:52 AM

Moby

Unfortunately for you......all our posts are listed.....under our account and anybody who wish to find out what we have posted.... can go there and make a little search without fuelling his brain with all the rubbish you post!

Obviously you are not the brightest button on the planet!

:dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 26, 2018, 10:00:46 AM

Back on topic. President Trump and the Special Counsel.

Mueller the sewer rat grasping for straws.

Succumbing to the Madness
It has come to this. Robert Mueller, former director of the FBI, before it became the dirty tricks division of the Democratic National Committee, could have exonerated a lot of people who were defamed with imputations of treason in “colluding” with Russia. He could have had some members of his investigative team who were not rabid Democrats. He could have investigated all the Democratic Party’s skullduggery with Russia, starting with the infamous Steele dossier, the false FISA warrants, the lies under oath to Congress and the FBI. He could have adopted the view that he should find out if crimes were committed, and if not, to say so, as normal prosecutors do. But he just kept spiraling down like a deep-diving sewer rat.

https://amgreatness.com/2018/08/24/trump-has-already-won-on-impeachment/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 26, 2018, 10:38:30 AM

And, why Trump supporters still support the President.

Trump supporters do not care because federal law enforcement, too, has cast aside credibility. Its see-no-evil performance in investigating Hillary Clinton and her affiliates contrasted with unsupervised aggressiveness in pursuit of Trump has revealed that federal law enforcement is something more than law enforcement: it is a political faction.

https://amgreatness.com/2018/08/24/we-dont-care-and-it-aint-pretty/

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 26, 2018, 11:30:38 AM

John McCain dies

(https://mediaassets.wxyz.com/photo/2018/08/25/poster_71ff55a972264217bec1b3d5ad1757ba_95735494_ver1.0_640_480.jpg)

Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R) will name his successor to the Senate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 26, 2018, 12:27:38 PM

As I noted above am confident that other members will have diverse opinions J. MaCain has passed - RIP.

I think amongst the many tributes and commentaries the one from CNN is noteworthy.

It features his daughter as well B. Obama speaking about the senator and father.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 27, 2018, 08:29:13 PM

This article discusses Israel's involvement and interference in the US elections. If one searched there are other more detailed articles. But coming from an American scholar who happens to be Jewish it is an interesting read.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/chomsky-criticizes-israeli-interference-in-u-s-elections-1.6407407

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 27, 2018, 08:33:26 PM

Trump renegotiates NAFTA.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-keeping-promise-renegotiate-nafta/?utm_source=ods&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1600d

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on August 27, 2018, 08:39:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on August 27, 2018, 08:33:26 PM

Trump renegotiates NAFTA.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-keeping-promise-renegotiate-nafta/?utm_source=ods&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1600d

What is interesting Canada is left in the North regarding this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on August 28, 2018, 06:43:48 PM

The USA and Canada meet under pressure.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/treasurys-mnuchin-hopeful-trade-deal-with-canada-will-get-done-1535461068

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 29, 2018, 08:23:57 AM

Several times I posted that Democrats are nominating left wing nut jobs
to run for office and it will cause them to lose big.

One case in point is the Florida governor's race where the Dem's nominated
Andrew Gillum his agenda includes support for Medicare for all, a $15-an-hour
minimum wage and staunch opposition to the Stand Your Ground self-defense
law and a free college education for everyone. This is Florida not the Bronx.

In the Dem's race to see who can sift furthest to the left they are nominating
people who can't win and the GOP should be able to capitalize on it.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 29, 2018, 01:52:14 PM

Florida has a history of election snafu's. Maybe you might have heard
about the George W Bush election that was decided by 300 votes in
Florida.

The GOP candidate said
“Let’s build off the success we’ve had on Gov. Scott. The last thing we
need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda
with huge tax increases bankrupting the state."

The GOP candidate said monkey during the same week that he mentioned
a black persons name and naturally the left wing nutters are losing their
minds. Saying monkey in the same week as saying ANY black persons
name means that the ENTIRE GOP believes that blacks are the missing
links between humans and monkeys.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404151-desantis-florida-voters-shouldnt-monkey-this-up-by-voting-for

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on August 30, 2018, 05:23:19 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on August 29, 2018, 01:52:14 PM

Florida has a history of election snafu's. Maybe you might have heard
about the George W Bush election that was decided by 300 votes in
Florida.

The GOP candidate said
“Let’s build off the success we’ve had on Gov. Scott. The last thing we
need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda
with huge tax increases bankrupting the state."

The GOP candidate said monkey during the same week that he mentioned
a black persons name and naturally the left wing nutters are losing their
minds. Saying monkey in the same week as saying ANY black persons
name means that the ENTIRE GOP believes that blacks are the missing
links between humans and monkeys.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404151-desantis-florida-voters-shouldnt-monkey-this-up-by-voting-for

Based on the anthropological evidence across the globe, fossils of early hominids are seen in Asia, Europe, and African continents. The ones in Africa appear to be older and have some evolutionary links to the monkey and ape lineage. When I took my college courses, I did not hear of Asia and Europe having the earlier fossils of the "missing link" between apes and humans. To say that early humans living in Scandinavia are closer to apes than those that lived in Africa would appear illogical. But, I guess to the "creationists", anything is possible. The Garden of Eden is located somewhere in Iraq.
http://www.icr.org/article/where-was-garden-eden-located/
:chuckle: :-\

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on August 31, 2018, 07:39:22 AM

Democrats threaten to prosecute ICE officers after Trump is out of office

Dem rep warns immigration officers following 'illegal' Trump orders: 'You will not be safe'
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/08/30/dem-rep-warns-immigration-officers-following-illegal-trump-orders-will-not-be-safe.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 01, 2018, 09:51:45 AM

Consumer confidence is the highest since 2000. GDP was revised higher for last quarter. Let’s hope the Fed doesn’t screw things up.

And a Facebook engineer made an internal post about their mono-culture. Winning!

Dozens at Facebook Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
-The New York Times
“The post went up quietly on Facebook’s internal message board last week. Titled ‘We Have a Problem With Political Diversity,’ it quickly took off inside the social network,” Kate Conger and Sheera Frenkel explain. “We are a political monoculture that’s intolerant of different views,” Facebook engineer Brian Amerige wrote in the post.

resolute reads
REAL NEWS PRESIDENT TRUMP DOESN'T WANT YOU TO MISS
Trump Replaces NAFTA and Triumphs
-Fox News
“President Trump won a major victory on trade on Monday, supplanting the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) and replacing it with something far more beneficial,” Christian Whiton writes in Fox News. “The new deal will help American workers and manufacturers. It’s also a win for Mexico,” she explains.
US Economic Growth in the 2nd Quarter Gets Revised Higher, Remains Strongest Since 2014
-Business Insider
“The US economy in the second quarter grew even faster than initially estimated, according to a Commerce Department report released Wednesday,” Akin Oyedele reports. “The April-to-June period was the first full quarter with the tax cuts signed by President Donald Trump in effect.”
Consumer Confidence Pops in August to Highest Level Since October 2000
-CNBC
“Consumer confidence rose in August to its highest level since October 2000, building on July’s solid result,” Michael Sheetz writes. “These historically high confidence levels should continue to support healthy consumer spending in the near-term,” said Lynn Franco, director of economic indicators at The Conference Board.
High Career and Life Satisfaction Among American Blue-Collar Workers: Poll
-Washington Examiner
“The vast majority of U.S. blue-collar workers say their lives are headed ‘in the right direction,’ according to the results of a poll released this week,” Katelyn Caralle reports. “Eighty-five percent of these workers in America are optimistic regarding the direction of their lives, and 86 percent are satisfied with their jobs.” A majority also expressed optimism about the overall direction of the country, the survey showed.
Trump Marks Award of $91 Million in Anti-Drug Grants
-The Associated Press
President Trump is awarding $91 million in grants to a record number of community anti-drug coalitions, The Associated Press reported this week. “The White House says all 50 states will benefit from the grants from the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy that aim to ‘strengthen the infrastructure among local partners.’”
Dozens at Facebook Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture
-The New York Times
“The post went up quietly on Facebook’s internal message board last week. Titled ‘We Have a Problem With Political Diversity,’ it quickly took off inside the social network,” Kate Conger and Sheera Frenkel explain. “We are a political monoculture that’s intolerant of different views,” Facebook engineer Brian Amerige wrote in the post.
Majority of Americans Want to Keep ICE
-The Washington Times
Gabriella Muñoz reports that “most Americans don’t want to see the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency abolished,” according to a new survey. “Only 24 percent of voters advocated for terminating ICE while a 40 percent plurality disagreed with the proposal. The trend continued across all political parties.”
Melania Trump Plants Eisenhower Oak Sapling at White House with Presidential Descendants
-Washington Examiner
First Lady Melania Trump “planted an Eisenhower oak sapling Monday afternoon on the White House’s South Lawn,” Diana Stancy Correll writes. “Mary Jean Eisenhower, the granddaughter of former President Dwight Eisenhower, and Richard Emory Gatchell, Jr., a fifth generation grandson of former President James Monroe, joined the First Lady.”
Kavanaugh Garners Support Among Many Colleagues at Former Law Firm
-The Washington Free Beacon
“Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh's former colleagues at the Kirkland & Ellis law firm sent a letter Monday to the chairman and ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee urging his confirmation by the senate,” Cameron Cawthorne reports. “We saw first hand that he consistently displayed a keen intellect, sound judgment, exceptional analytical ability, and the highest level of integrity in representing our clients,” they write.
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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on September 01, 2018, 11:42:07 PM

Looks like Canada just got a "nudge" in social media speak...

President Donald Trump on Saturday took aim at unfair trade practices in a series of tweets after the U.S. and Canada failed to reach Friday’s deadline to replace the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
https://www.breitbart.com/economics/2018/09/01/trump-hits-canada-over-trade-talks-u-s-shouldnt-have-to-buy-allies-with-bad-deals/

“Remember, NAFTA was one of the WORST Trade Deals ever made. The U.S. lost thousands of businesses and millions of jobs,” President Trump wrote. “We were far better off before NAFTA – should never have been signed. Even the Vat Tax was not accounted for. We make new deal or go back to pre-NAFTA!”

“We shouldn’t have to buy our friends with bad Trade Deals and Free Military Protection!” the president wrote moments later.

Thud heard across Oh Canada as CiC Trump drops the Mic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 04, 2018, 11:20:34 AM

A Pentagon whistle blower says it was all a set-up.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-29/it-was-all-set-pentagon-whistleblower-exposes-russia-probe-reality

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on September 04, 2018, 02:42:36 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on August 29, 2018, 01:52:14 PM

Florida has a history of election snafu's. Maybe you might have heard
about the George W Bush election that was decided by 300 votes in
Florida.

300 or 300,000 - a win is a win. Meanwhile, bear in mind that the Panhandle is in a different time zone, and is also weighted more GOP. So when the networks called the state for Gore, Bush probably lost 3K votes or so from people who said, "its over, why bother?"

Quote from: 2tallbill on August 29, 2018, 01:52:14 PM

The GOP candidate said
“Let’s build off the success we’ve had on Gov. Scott. The last thing we
need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda
with huge tax increases bankrupting the state."

The GOP candidate said monkey during the same week that he mentioned
a black persons name and naturally the left wing nutters are losing their
minds. Saying monkey in the same week as saying ANY black persons
name means that the ENTIRE GOP believes that blacks are the missing
links between humans and monkeys.

Hey, the Dems can't run on IDEAS other that "Free stuff!!" so they have to, once again, play victim when, in order to get there, you have to completely ignore the plain meaning of DeSantis' words and twist them to an unrecognizable result.

Expect a DeSantis win, even though he trails now in the polls. Why? The Dem is basically a commie and once it gets out that he really is going to tax the fcuk out of everyhone for his promised "Gibs", he's going to lose. Plus see also: The Bradley Effect.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on September 04, 2018, 03:10:18 PM

Quote from: B.B. on September 04, 2018, 02:42:36 PM

The Dem is basically a commie

:laugh:

You REALLY believe that ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 04, 2018, 04:53:38 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 04, 2018, 11:20:34 AM

A Pentagon whistle blower says it was all a set-up.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-29/it-was-all-set-pentagon-whistleblower-exposes-russia-probe-reality

I have followed the Mueller 'investigation' to some degree. The article that Confederate notes connects allot of the missing parts. I doubt though Mueller is interested in this reality.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on September 05, 2018, 07:44:22 AM

Quote from: msmoby on September 04, 2018, 03:10:18 PM

Quote from: B.B. on September 04, 2018, 02:42:36 PM
The Dem is basically a commie

:laugh:

You REALLY believe that ?

Context, dearest Mobes. In the context of American politics, yes.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on September 05, 2018, 08:07:00 AM

Quote from: B.B. on September 05, 2018, 07:44:22 AM

Context, dearest Mobes. In the context of American politics, yes.

If you'd said Austrian politics - I'd have believed you ... The US reverting to McCarthy era paranoia - I think not ;)

I DO note POTUS is appealing to religious leaders to appeal to their flock ... stating a Democrat win in the mid-terms will be violence ... :'(

As things stand - the GOP looks like it is going to get hammered and t'll be mostly down to 'Trampu'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on September 05, 2018, 12:00:36 PM

Quote from: msmoby on September 05, 2018, 08:07:00 AM

Quote from: B.B. on September 05, 2018, 07:44:22 AM

Context, dearest Mobes. In the context of American politics, yes.

If you'd said Austrian politics - I'd have believed you ... The US reverting to McCarthy era paranoia - I think not ;)

I DO note POTUS is appealing to religious leaders to appeal to their flock ... stating a Democrat win in the mid-terms will be violence ... :'(

As things stand - the GOP looks like it is going to get hammered and t'll be mostly down to 'Trampu'

Ask President Hillary Clinton about counting chickens..... ;)

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 07, 2018, 04:35:38 PM

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/09/06/i-know-who-the-senior-official-is-who-wrote-the-ny-times-op-ed/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 07, 2018, 04:48:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 07, 2018, 04:35:38 PM

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/09/06/i-know-who-the-senior-official-is-who-wrote-the-ny-times-op-ed/

An interesting point of view. It has some credence.

Anyone working for an administration who had a thread of conscience would as a matter of principle resign and publish his opinion(s) for the American and world opinions. Hiding indicates a coward and traitor. There is the reality there many deputy 'secretaries' who could have written this Op-Ed who are no closer to the administration than a cleaning lady on 3rd Avenue.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 07, 2018, 06:42:31 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 07, 2018, 04:48:37 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 07, 2018, 04:35:38 PM
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/09/06/i-know-who-the-senior-official-is-who-wrote-the-ny-times-op-ed/

An interesting point of view. It has some credence.

Anyone working for an administration who had a thread of conscience would as a matter of principle resign and publish his opinion(s) for the American and world opinions. Hiding indicates a coward and traitor. There is the reality there many deputy 'secretaries' who could have written this Op-Ed who are no closer to the administration than a cleaning lady on 3rd Avenue.

Yes I thought it was a novel point of view. Trump does sometimes exhibit a bit of paranoia so the perfect way to upset him. Yet also proving there are “deep state” elements embedded in the media.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 07, 2018, 06:51:26 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 07, 2018, 06:42:31 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 07, 2018, 04:48:37 PM
Quote from: Confederate on September 07, 2018, 04:35:38 PM
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/09/06/i-know-who-the-senior-official-is-who-wrote-the-ny-times-op-ed/

An interesting point of view. It has some credence.

Anyone working for an administration who had a thread of conscience would as a matter of principle resign and publish his opinion(s) for the American and world opinions. Hiding indicates a coward and traitor. There is the reality there many deputy 'secretaries' who could have written this Op-Ed who are no closer to the administration than a cleaning lady on 3rd Avenue.

Yes I thought it was a novel point of view. Trump does sometimes exhibit a bit of paranoia so the perfect way to upset him. Yet also proving there are “deep state” elements embedded in the media.

Andrew earlier noted a coup d'état and this points towards this. I still strongly believe the checks and balances in the Unites States will prevail as opposed to what exists in say Russia or China.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 07, 2018, 11:26:06 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 07, 2018, 04:35:38 PM

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/09/06/i-know-who-the-senior-official-is-who-wrote-the-ny-times-op-ed/

(https://cdn.creators.com/199/236539/236539_image.jpg)

(http://www.cartoonistgroup.com/properties/benson/art_images/cg5b91f29f5fb48.jpg)

(https://cdn.creators.com/209/236541/236541_image.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 08, 2018, 03:51:44 AM

Spilt my coffee! All three are very funny, thanks Bill.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 08, 2018, 04:05:03 AM

Worth noting that, for all the words written in this piece, there's not one single, solid, objective, fact in there. Not one single example of Trump's failings. All there is is the ramblings of a person who either genuinely, or is feigning, opposes the current presidency on some kind of idealogical basis.

In addition for all the claims of being part of a group, of having shared objectives, if genuine, the writer of this piece is a traitor to her own cause. She is making it harder for them to continue and succeed.

This latter point suggests to me that the piece is a fake.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 08, 2018, 04:09:26 AM

The one thing the article has accomplished is create a circular firing squad within the Trump administration.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 08, 2018, 04:19:11 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 08, 2018, 04:09:26 AM

The one thing the article has accomplished is create a circular firing squad within the Trump administration.

I have a feeling that your point, although obvious, is not correct. We will know soon enough. ;)

If I were a middling decent administrator who had read the piece then I would want the publisher to think that I was stupid enough to take the article at face value.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 09, 2018, 10:28:30 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 08, 2018, 04:19:11 AM

I have a feeling that your point, although obvious, is not correct. We will know soon enough. ;)

If I were a middling decent administrator who had read the piece then I would want the publisher to think that I was stupid enough to take the article at face value.

I tend to agree. There are an awful lot of people who "work for the office of the president"
that he has never met.

This article tells about how some minor nobody likely made the claims.

Why Trump's Record Trumps the Media's Spin
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-trumps-record-trumps-medias-spin-30757

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 09, 2018, 07:24:35 PM

The clown Obama did a rather poor job of bringing the masses to his comedy show . 750 in a venue that could accommodate several thousand.
.
President Trump packed in 10,000 at his last rally.
I'm thinking the democrats will be hard pressed to gain any seats in the house.

https://therightscoop.com/wow-media-loved-obamas-speech-but-attendance-was-pathetic/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on September 10, 2018, 12:25:23 AM

(http://api.theweek.com/sites/default/files/62224151-80a0-4ad3-b02d-91ad3e261377.jpg?resize=807x807)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 10, 2018, 03:09:14 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 09, 2018, 10:28:30 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 08, 2018, 04:19:11 AM

I have a feeling that your point, although obvious, is not correct. We will know soon enough. ;)

If I were a middling decent administrator who had read the piece then I would want the publisher to think that I was stupid enough to take the article at face value.

I tend to agree. There are an awful lot of people who "work for the office of the president"
that he has never met.

This article tells about how some minor nobody likely made the claims.

Why Trump's Record Trumps the Media's Spin
https://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-trumps-record-trumps-medias-spin-30757

Not sure that you got my point.

What I was saying that even a merely decent administrator presiding over a leak or breach of trust would probably want to make sure that the suspects were not aware that they were under suspicion. In this case, if we believe that the NYT fabricated the piece, rather than it being a single source within the White House, then I would want the NYT to think that I was busy looking for a mole in my organization. I'd work hard to keep the NYT under that impression. What I would not do though is sanction anybody without certainty and there's ways to narrow down the source of leaks or disloyalty - but they can take a little time to play out and would rely upon the NYT (and other media) being unaware of what was going on.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on September 10, 2018, 08:43:54 AM

When the NY Times, Washington Post, and CNN speak, most of the country doesn't listen. If we did, Hillary would've won in a landslide. The news they put out is exciting only to their base readers/watchers. They've talked about collusion for over a year. Nothing materialized. I consider the stuff they put out tabloid quality.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on September 10, 2018, 11:12:29 AM

Quote from: BillyB on September 10, 2018, 08:43:54 AM

When the NY Times, Washington Post, and CNN speak, most of the country doesn't listen. If we did, Hillary would've won in a landslide.

She got 3 million more popular votes ... gotta 'love' a BillyB 'analysis'..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on September 10, 2018, 12:01:47 PM

Quote from: msmoby on September 10, 2018, 11:12:29 AM

Quote from: BillyB on September 10, 2018, 08:43:54 AM

When the NY Times, Washington Post, and CNN speak, most of the country doesn't listen. If we did, Hillary would've won in a landslide.

She got 3 million more popular votes ... gotta 'love' a BillyB 'analysis'..

I guess the unpopular ones voted him in then? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 10, 2018, 12:16:59 PM

Quote from: msmoby on September 10, 2018, 11:12:29 AM

She got 3 million more popular votes ... gotta 'love' a BillyB 'analysis'..

Christ almighty Moby, how many more times must we tell you . . . . . . . .

POPULAR VOTE DOESN'T MATTER IN A US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ! ! !

How thick can you be?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on September 10, 2018, 12:36:09 PM

Quote from: msmoby on September 10, 2018, 11:12:29 AM

She got 3 million more popular votes ... gotta 'love' a BillyB 'analysis'..

We went over this elsewhere and you continue to play dumb and deceive. Trump had 306 votes to Hillary's 232 which gave him a big win.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on September 10, 2018, 12:39:53 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 10, 2018, 12:16:59 PM

Christ almighty Moby, how many more times must we tell you . . . . . . . .

POPULAR VOTE DOESN'T MATTER IN A US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ! ! !

How thick can you be?

I deal with Moby in another place. He is the village idiot there and after reading here, you guys appointed him that title too. He's been educated on the electoral college and why it exists. He should know better but prefers to remain dumb.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 10, 2018, 01:25:31 PM

While Moby is far less bright than he thinks he is, he is much brighter than often he appears.

This behavior is a symptom of boredom. When he needs to dispell his ennui any contact will do and he will do what it takes to get the attention he craves. If you 'educate' him 100 times over, as far as he is concerned, that's a win for him.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on September 10, 2018, 04:22:22 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 10, 2018, 01:25:31 PM

If you 'educate' him 100 times over, as far as he is concerned, that's a win for him.

Educating Moby is hopeless. If someone didn't hear me the first time when educating Moby and wants to know why the electoral college vote is better than popular vote, I'll gladly explain it again to the point one can't claim the popular vote is better unless you're brain dead like Moby.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 10, 2018, 04:45:19 PM

Quote from: BillyB on September 10, 2018, 04:22:22 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 10, 2018, 01:25:31 PM
:'(
If you 'educate' him 100 times over, as far as he is concerned, that's a win for him.

Educating Moby is hopeless. If someone didn't hear me the first time when educating Moby and wants to know why the electoral college vote is better than popular vote, I'll gladly explain it again to the point one can't claim the popular vote is better unless you're brain dead like Moby.

This map was already posted upthread, but Moby continues to behave like an irrational person who cannot read. We also discussed why our electoral system is superior to a popular vote system. In a nutshell the USA is a Republic which will not be ruled by a mob.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/time/4587866/donald-trump-election-map

another one
https://mobile.twitter.com/TreyYingst/status/862669407868391424/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-34830685483137257521.ampproject.net%2F1535566825959%2Fframe.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 10, 2018, 05:55:46 PM

From the official White House site:

President Donald J. Trump’s critics are attempting a neat trick: After months of denying America’s recent economic success, they are now owning up to it—and reassigning credit to the Obama Administration. “The economy remains essentially the same sturdy one Trump inherited from Barack Obama,” Christopher Rugaber writes.

Today, Council of Economic Advisers Chairman Kevin Hassett took to the White House briefing podium to dispel that myth. His case, by the evidence:

Business investment was on a downswing prior to President Trump taking office. It’s now up by more than $300 billion over the 2016 trend.
Orders and shipments of capital goods were on a downward trend before President Trump’s election. They’ve jumped sharply since.
Business applications were on a flat trend prior to President Trump’s Inauguration. They have now surged upward.
On statistic after statistic, after years of weak and inconsistent economic trends under the previous Administration, President Trump has delivered for Americans.

“If anyone were to assert that the capital spending boom that we’re seeing right now was a continuation of the trend that President Trump inherited, then, well, you know they wouldn’t get a high grade in graduate school,” Chairman Hassett said.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/americas-economy-booming-thanks-president-donald-j-trump/?utm_source=ods&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1600d

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 10, 2018, 07:57:42 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 10, 2018, 03:09:14 AM

Not sure that you got my point.

What I was saying that even a merely decent administrator presiding over a leak or breach of trust would probably want to make sure that the suspects were not aware that they were under suspicion. In this case, if we believe that the NYT fabricated the piece, rather than it being a single source within the White House, then I would want the NYT to think that I was busy looking for a mole in my organization. I'd work hard to keep the NYT under that impression. What I would not do though is sanction anybody without certainty and there's ways to narrow down the source of leaks or disloyalty - but they can take a little time to play out and would rely upon the NYT (and other media) being unaware of what was going on.

Thank you for going into more detail.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on September 10, 2018, 11:43:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 10, 2018, 12:16:59 PM

Christ almighty Moby, how many more times must we tell you . . . . . . . .

POPULAR VOTE DOESN'T MATTER IN A US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ! ! !

How thick can you be?

Thank you, Shakey... I'm well aware of you flawed electoral system ...Lest you get all 'patriotic' - mot of the UK votes on a flawed system, too

Fact is there are 3 million more US citizens - prob more, now - thinking 'not in my name' ... :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on September 11, 2018, 12:34:39 AM

Quote from: BillyB on September 10, 2018, 04:22:22 PM

Educating Moby is hopeless.

If 'educating me' involves you telling us how I 'met' me 'missus' or you 'not gossiping about other posters' ( whoosh) ..

What WAS it you said about gossips ? ...

I'll happily be an 'idiot' in your eyes :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 11, 2018, 10:18:37 AM

Obama tried to take credit for the strong economy, but that's wishful thinking.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 11, 2018, 11:12:55 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 11, 2018, 10:18:37 AM

Obama tried to take credit for the strong economy, but that's wishful thinking.

It's like the girl you dated before you met and married your wife
trying to take full credit for molding you into "marriage material" . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 11, 2018, 12:30:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 11, 2018, 11:12:55 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 11, 2018, 10:18:37 AM
Obama tried to take credit for the strong economy, but that's wishful thinking.

It's like the girl you dated before you met and married your wife
trying to take full credit for molding you into "marriage material" . . . . .

Or in your case the bad girl who molded you into marriage material? Not so much. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 11, 2018, 12:36:13 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 11, 2018, 11:12:55 AM

It's like the girl you dated before you met and married your wife
trying to take full credit for molding you into "marriage material" . . . . .

(https://thefederalistpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/economy-credit-nrd-600.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on September 11, 2018, 01:33:52 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 11, 2018, 12:36:13 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 11, 2018, 11:12:55 AM
It's like the girl you dated before you met and married your wife
trying to take full credit for molding you into "marriage material" . . . . .

(https://thefederalistpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/economy-credit-nrd-600.jpg)

At least he's consistent. The economy is from the previous president.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on September 11, 2018, 01:41:36 PM

Quote from: msmoby on September 10, 2018, 11:43:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 10, 2018, 12:16:59 PM

Christ almighty Moby, how many more times must we tell you . . . . . . . .

POPULAR VOTE DOESN'T MATTER IN A US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION ! ! !

How thick can you be?

Thank you, Shakey... I'm well aware of you flawed electoral system ...Lest you get all 'patriotic' - mot of the UK votes on a flawed system, too

Fact is there are 3 million more US citizens - prob more, now - thinking 'not in my name' ... :laugh:

The only way that your way of thinking would work is if a country only had two parties to vote for... is that what you would call a fair democratic solution? Not giving anyone any other options to vote for but those two?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on September 11, 2018, 05:12:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 10, 2018, 04:45:19 PM

Moby continues to behave like an irrational person who cannot read. We also discussed why our electoral system is superior to a popular vote system. In a nutshell the USA is a Republic which will not be ruled by a mob.

Some people like Moby prefer the mob system of voting.....except when the vote doesn't go his way like the Brexit vote. For years he cries about how Brexit is wrong and encourages his politicians to reverse it. He calls for another vote and he will continue to call for voting until he gets his way. He doesn't respect the popular vote although he says it's superior to our electoral vote.

If the popular vote was proposed, America would never exist. People make the mistake thinking we are one nation. We consist of 50 states and should be viewed as 50 nations with each nation and their people having different interests.

When the American colonists freed themselves from British rule, it was thought uniting would be beneficial for the 13 colonies. There was a lot of arguing and Benjamin Franklin convinced representatives from the colonies that their fellow colonies interests are just important as theirs.

NY wouldn't get a state such as Rhode Island to agree to a union if they insist all laws and federal government officials are to be done by popular vote or by politicians that represent the population. Of course NY would get the lions share of federal dollars and projects and small states would get ignored if popular vote was agreed on but intelligent people running the little states weren't dumb like Moby.

To get small population states to agree to join forces with the bigger population states, it was determined the number of House of Representatives is determined by population and the Senate would be represented by States with every State getting two Senators. Laws and bills coming out of the House would favor big states of course but it must pass the Senate so it's critical that laws and bills are fair to the states, not just the population or nothing gets passed.

Last election California got 55 electoral votes while Wyoming got 3 electoral votes. California got 53 electoral votes for their 53 House of Representatives because of their huge population and got 2 electoral votes because they are a state with 2 senators. Wyoming got 1 electoral vote due to their small population and one Representative in the House and two electoral votes because they have two senators in the Senate.

If America switches today to what Moby calls a superior method of voting, the popular vote, America wouldn't exist because the small states would leave. Moby has shown he'll never get it but intelligent people do and they don't complain about the electoral college vote. The rules are known prior to election. The one that plays the game best wins. Trump won big over Hillary and most of America which includes representation from population AND states have voted for Trump. Like I said before, when CNN, NY Times, and Washington Post speak, most of America doesn't listen otherwise Hillary would've won big.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 11, 2018, 05:35:43 PM

BillyB, Thank you.

Though I do not agree with some of the assumptions that you make, it sums up the bigger picture about voting succinctly.

Will Moby understand, I suspect no, and he will bring and endless litany on moans and groans. Such is a forum.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on September 12, 2018, 12:38:44 AM

Quote from: d672 on September 11, 2018, 01:41:36 PM

The only way that your way of thinking would work is if a country only had two parties to vote for... is that what you would call a fair democratic solution? Not giving anyone any other options to vote for but those two?

??

It's a winner takes all system and

1/ it disenfranchises those who voted for the 'losing'' candidate - reslting in scenarios - due to the EC system;s flaws - whereby the LOSER, wins
2/ I see no barrier to more than two parties candid ties standing - other than money - given the HUGE cost in the USA

Do you ( or any other ) know the UGLY and SHAMEFUL premise and algorithms on which the EC allocations for each sate are based ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on September 12, 2018, 12:41:25 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 11, 2018, 05:35:43 PM

Will Moby understand, I suspect no, and he will bring and endless litany on moans and groans. Such is a forum. [/font][/size]

Moby understand better, it seems than citizens of the USA - the flawed origins of the EC system

I;m just wondering would certain posters be so vociferous in 'defending'' such a flawed system - if it resulted in Democrats losers - being 'winners' :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 12, 2018, 08:28:26 AM

Quote from: msmoby on September 12, 2018, 12:38:44 AM

Do you ( or any other ) know the UGLY and SHAMEFUL premise and algorithms on which the EC allocations for each sate are based ?

BillyB penned an excellent post up thread. Please read it to understand better.

Actually it's quite simple. Each state gets 1 electoral vote for each member of
the House and each member of the Senate.

The whole system is designed to insure the big states cannot easily impose their
will on the smaller states. The genius of our founding fathers in creating this system
is the basis of the founding of our country. Do a little reading about the concerns of
the less populous southern states when our country was founded and you'll understand
the concept better.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 12, 2018, 09:32:59 AM

Quote from: shakespear on September 12, 2018, 08:28:26 AM

Quote from: msmoby on September 12, 2018, 12:38:44 AM
Do you ( or any other ) know the UGLY and SHAMEFUL premise and algorithms on which the EC allocations for each sate are based ?

BillyB penned an excellent post up thread. Please read it to understand better.

Actually it's quite simple. Each state gets 1 electoral vote for each member of
the House and each member of the Senate.

The whole system is designed to insure the big states cannot easily impose their
will on the smaller states. The genius of our founding fathers in creating this system
is the basis of the founding of our country. Do a little reading about the concerns of
the less populous southern states when our country was founded and you'll understand
the concept better.

It’s highly doubtful if Moby will ever understand anything rational. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 12, 2018, 09:36:38 AM

Quote from: shakespear on September 12, 2018, 08:28:26 AM

Quote from: msmoby on September 12, 2018, 12:38:44 AM
Do you ( or any other ) know the UGLY and SHAMEFUL premise and algorithms on which the EC allocations for each sate are based ?

BillyB penned an excellent post up thread. Please read it to understand better.

Actually it's quite simple. Each state gets 1 electoral vote for each member of
the House and each member of the Senate.

The whole system is designed to insure the big states cannot easily impose their
will on the smaller states. The genius of our founding fathers in creating this system
is the basis of the founding of our country. Do a little reading about the concerns of
the less populous southern states when our country was founded and you'll understand
the concept better.

Moby has no interest in reading and understanding. :coffeeread:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 12, 2018, 09:55:21 AM

Quote from: msmoby on September 12, 2018, 12:38:44 AM

It's a winner takes all system and

1/ it disenfranchises those who voted for the 'losing'' candidate - reslting in scenarios - due to the EC system;s flaws - whereby the LOSER, wins

The USA rewards winners and the losers, well the losers are losers and they can whine
and cry and blow little snot bubbles out of their nose but they lost or they can examine
why they lost and try to do better next time.

Quote from: msmoby on September 12, 2018, 12:38:44 AM

2/ I see no barrier to more than two parties candid ties standing - other than money - given the HUGE cost in the USA

We have several other parties in the USA, it's just that they don't win anything,
at most they are spoilers.

Quote from: msmoby on September 12, 2018, 12:38:44 AM

Do you ( or any other ) know the UGLY and SHAMEFUL premise and algorithms on
which the EC allocations for each sate are based ?

Nobody cares (in the USA)

We have our system and you Euros can have any system that you want.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on September 12, 2018, 02:32:28 PM

Quote from: msmoby on September 12, 2018, 12:38:44 AM

Quote from: d672 on September 11, 2018, 01:41:36 PM

The only way that your way of thinking would work is if a country only had two parties to vote for... is that what you would call a fair democratic solution? Not giving anyone any other options to vote for but those two?

??

It's a winner takes all system and

1/ it disenfranchises those who voted for the 'losing'' candidate - reslting in scenarios - due to the EC system;s flaws - whereby the LOSER, wins
2/ I see no barrier to more than two parties candid ties standing - other than money - given the HUGE cost in the USA

Ok, so if there are 3 parties and one of them gets 40% of the votes and wins, and the other 2 parties each get 30% of the votes and lose there are 60% of the voters who didn't vote for the winning party yet they won. How come you aren't complaining when the higher amount of total, yet losing votes are split between two parties instead of just the one party like in the US with Trump? Sounds ridiculous to complain about it when I put it that way, doesn't it? Now you know now you sound! :)

Everyone knows how the US voting system is formatted and the political parties campaign for that format, and actually I personally think it is the most fair system where the whole country has a say instead of just the handful of high population areas. We here in Canada see the effects of your preferred choice of system. The vote is pretty much decided by only two provinces, Ontario and Quebec because of the high populations there. The rest of us don't really have much say. I wish we had that system here, I live about 3,000 km away from that high concentration of voters. You over there in Europe don't have as big a problem because of the much smaller size of your countries. Maybe that is why it's so hard for you to understand.... your voting doesn't cover as much land mass.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on September 12, 2018, 03:24:43 PM

President Bill Clinton won 43% of the popular vote and still was elected President in 1992. Bill Clinton won less than 50% of the popular vote in 1996 and won again. MOST people in America were disappointed their man wasn't elected but Democrats were happy with the method of voting back then. Only when they lose do they complain.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 12, 2018, 03:26:10 PM

Quote from: BillyB on September 12, 2018, 03:24:43 PM

President Bill Clinton won 43% of the popular vote and still was elected President in 1992. Bill Clinton won less than 50% of the popular vote in 1996 and won again. MOST people in America were disappointed their man wasn't elected but Democrats were happy with the method of voting back then. Only when they lose do they complain.

Touche'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 12, 2018, 06:29:47 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 12, 2018, 09:32:59 AM

Moby has no interest in reading and understanding. :coffeeread:

Quote from: Confederate on September 12, 2018, 09:32:59 AM

It’s highly doubtful if Moby will ever understand anything rational. :coffeeread:

Allot of coffee!

The reality is though some refuse to let go of certain assumed lines of 'thinking'. They either refuse to acknowledge common sense and plain facts or they have some bias that does not allow themselves to use logic.

With most things from the UK that are political I tend to remove myself from the discussions because I have very limited knowledge. But Moby has no compunction to point how flawed the United States system is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 12, 2018, 08:25:46 PM

President Trump and his relationship with neocons according to Ron Paul.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/08/16/571327/Trump-may-not-be-a-neoconservative-but-he-is-influenced-by-neocons

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 12, 2018, 08:30:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 12, 2018, 08:25:46 PM

President Trump and his relationship with neocons according to Ron Paul.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/08/16/571327/Trump-may-not-be-a-neoconservative-but-he-is-influenced-by-neocons

Former Congressman Ron Paul famously said this:

Former US Congressman and political analyst Ron Paul says the claim that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad "is gassing his own people is a total nonsense,” adding that the American neoconservatives, who want a perpetual war in the Middle East, are probably behind the recent chemical weapons attack in Syria.

same source as above

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on September 12, 2018, 09:29:56 PM

Quote from: BillyB on September 12, 2018, 03:24:43 PM

President Bill Clinton won 43% of the popular vote and still was elected President in 1992. Bill Clinton won less than 50% of the popular vote in 1996 and won again. MOST people in America were disappointed their man wasn't elected but Democrats were happy with the method of voting back then. Only when they lose do they complain.

Quote from: shakespear on September 12, 2018, 03:26:10 PM

Touche'

'Interesting that Shakey asks me to 'read' what BillyB says and 'validates' his post above, but

1/ no-one has spotted the flaw in the origin of the electoral college system's inception - or even asked about it

2/ Clinton won with the highest vote of any candidate in elections with multiple candidates ... yes ? Unlike 'Trampu' who 'won' with THREE MILLION less individual votes...NUTs

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 13, 2018, 04:11:14 PM

Quote from: msmoby on September 13, 2018, 10:27:14 AM

It is always interesting to read the opinion of keyboard experts about other nations ..

Pity the author can not understand his own words.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 14, 2018, 08:08:36 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2018, 07:32:39 PM

BTW I’m looking forward to the next Civil War in the USA, especially with guys like this on our side.

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/08/16/texas-man-claims-record-breaking-3-mile-shot/

I don't understand why you'd be looking forward to such a terrible event; however, I would not be very surprised if something like that took place. The U.S. seems to be fracturing in a rather frightening manner.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 14, 2018, 09:28:02 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 14, 2018, 08:08:36 AM

Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2018, 07:32:39 PM
BTW I’m looking forward to the next Civil War in the USA, especially with guys like this on our side.

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/08/16/texas-man-claims-record-breaking-3-mile-shot/

I don't understand why you'd be looking forward to such a terrible event; however, I would not be very surprised if something like that took place. The U.S. seems to be fracturing in a rather frightening manner.

There’s a fever pitch of lunacy on the left and it’s gonna get worse before it gets better.

Lefty’s think it’s okay to block traffic on freeways, pepper spray lawful assemblies and speech by Trump supporters, commit millions of dollars of property damage etc not only because they lost the election but also because they’ve been brainwashed to believe that Socialism/Communism will work.

Conservatives are prepared so if it happens let’s get it over ASAP. Now I suspect after a couple hundred or a thousand of these progs find out the hard way what a real fight is they’ll wave that white flag of surrender.

The real perps of 9/11 also need to be put on trial and executed like the Rosenbergs were back when they sold nuclear secrets.

That’s a separate issue from 3 main problems with the left: the media is mostly left-wing and continues to lie to the public, for example claiming Trump supporters to be violent when in fact the violence comes from the left. The media protects the violent Antifa group by downplaying their real nature. College campuses are left-wing and professors are Marxist. Courts in California and other Lib cities dominated by lefty’s.

Here a “professor” assaults a Trump supporter with a bike lock and runs away. 4Chan tracks him down, he is arrested and faces 11 years in prison. A liberal judge let him off. Total double standard!

Left-wing extremist only gets probation, media not outraged.

https://www.berkeleyside.com/2018/08/08/eric-clanton-takes-3-year-probation-deal-in-berkeley-rally-bike-lock-assault-case

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 14, 2018, 09:32:25 AM

Quote from: msmoby on September 12, 2018, 09:29:56 PM

1/ no-one has spotted the flaw in the origin of the electoral college system's inception - or even asked about it

That's because I don't consider it a "flaw" but a necessity to get the 13 colonies
all on the same page to sign the Constitution. In addressing the concerns of slave
states back in 1776, they showed genius is designing a system that protects states
like Rhode Island, Wyoming, Vermont from being run roughshod by states like Texas,
New York and California 250 years later.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 14, 2018, 11:17:23 AM

In a country formed as the US is having elections based solely on a popular vote would be impossible as more populous states would overwhelm the interests of the others by weight of numbers. An electoral college makes sense in this context. But, of course, it is not unlikely that the popular vote will 'select' a different candidate than the college. That's to be expected. I'd it didn't happen then the college system would be broken. Ideally, the popular vote and college result will match most of the time but it is far from inevitable.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 14, 2018, 04:17:25 PM

Quote from: msmoby on September 12, 2018, 09:29:56 PM

1/ no-one has spotted the flaw in the origin of the electoral college system's inception - or even asked about it

2/ Clinton won with the highest vote of any candidate in elections with multiple candidates ... yes ? Unlike 'Trampu' who 'won' with THREE MILLION less individual votes...NUTs

You still haven't spotted the flaw of having a silly queen or horsey face nobles
or Beefeaters? Get back to us on our system when you get yours figured out
to the point that you can explain it.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0e/a2/19/0ea219ae4015a6243f3dd40525bfba80.jpg)

What are those funny looking fella's? Those are Beefeaters, any candidate
must have served for at least 22 years in the armed forces, be a former
warrant officer or senior non commissioned, plus hold the Long Service
and Good Conduct medal.

All that so that you can look like the Jack of Hearts.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 15, 2018, 03:40:17 PM

Quote from: B.B. on September 05, 2018, 12:00:36 PM

Ask President Hillary Clinton about counting chickens..... ;)

B/B

Remember the media hoping that this would be Hillary's opponent?

(https://scontent.fapa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41425626_2233976230216649_1738740595511263232_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=dcf59ff277a659dc444b66e8470776e0&oe=5C3B2647)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 15, 2018, 04:39:49 PM

Understanding politics in Eastern CT and RI I am not surprised by the cooperation of P. Manafort. How much 'dirt' he has on D. Trump is now the question.

Almost every pundit is on the side lines presently. My own guess he will not help Mueller much in his quest. The Democrats are going to be left with a nothing burger.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 15, 2018, 04:45:56 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 14, 2018, 09:32:25 AM

Quote from: msmoby on September 12, 2018, 09:29:56 PM
1/ no-one has spotted the flaw in the origin of the electoral college system's inception - or even asked about it

That's because I don't consider it a "flaw" but a necessity to get the 13 colonies
all on the same page to sign the Constitution. In addressing the concerns of slave
states back in 1776, they showed genius is designing a system that protects states
like Rhode Island, Wyoming, Vermont from being run roughshod by states like Texas,
New York and California 250 years later.

It is worth noting that states such as Vermont, Texas and California, joined long after the first 13 colonies. The system works, is it perfect no, is it reasonably balanced yes.

Is Moby moaner balanced ~ some have a differing opinion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on September 15, 2018, 10:45:26 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 14, 2018, 09:28:02 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 14, 2018, 08:08:36 AM
Quote from: Confederate on August 17, 2018, 07:32:39 PM
BTW I’m looking forward to the next Civil War in the USA, especially with guys like this on our side.

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/08/16/texas-man-claims-record-breaking-3-mile-shot/

I don't understand why you'd be looking forward to such a terrible event; however, I would not be very surprised if something like that took place. The U.S. seems to be fracturing in a rather frightening manner.

There’s a fever pitch of lunacy on the left and it’s gonna get worse before it gets better.

Lefty’s think it’s okay to block traffic on freeways, pepper spray lawful assemblies and speech by Trump supporters, commit millions of dollars of property damage etc not only because they lost the election but also because they’ve been brainwashed to believe that Socialism/Communism will work.

Conservatives are prepared so if it happens let’s get it over ASAP. Now I suspect after a couple hundred or a thousand of these progs find out the hard way what a real fight is they’ll wave that white flag of surrender.

The real perps of 9/11 also need to be put on trial and executed like the Rosenbergs were back when they sold nuclear secrets.

That’s a separate issue from 3 main problems with the left: the media is mostly left-wing and continues to lie to the public, for example claiming Trump supporters to be violent when in fact the violence comes from the left. The media protects the violent Antifa group by downplaying their real nature. College campuses are left-wing and professors are Marxist. Courts in California and other Lib cities dominated by lefty’s.

Here a “professor” assaults a Trump supporter with a bike lock and runs away. 4Chan tracks him down, he is arrested and faces 11 years in prison. A liberal judge let him off. Total double standard!

Left-wing extremist only gets probation, media not outraged.

https://www.berkeleyside.com/2018/08/08/eric-clanton-takes-3-year-probation-deal-in-berkeley-rally-bike-lock-assault-case

Of course the media protects Antifa. George Soros has to protect his Marxist friends that he also pays. One hand washes the other.

https://capitalresearch.org/article/origins-of-antifa/ (https://capitalresearch.org/article/origins-of-antifa/)

Also, I know this is a cube classic. But maybe we should send in a Taliban peacekeeping force to pacify Antifa! ;D :chuckle:

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/taliban-send-peace-keeping-advisers-to-chicago-t10671.html (http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/taliban-send-peace-keeping-advisers-to-chicago-t10671.html)

"After the first dozen or so public executions at (insert US city here), even the stupidest Antifa man will understand we mean business. Then we start getting some real change."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 18, 2018, 11:39:38 AM

While I'm not prepared to fully discount the accusation of Christine Blasey Ford, there is much of it that has the smell of "unrefrigerated fish". The timing is suspicious. Senator Feinstein knew about this accusation in July. Why did she only reveal it this week? Further, her story seems to be full of memory lapses and inconsistencies.

1) The brother of Christine Blazey Ford worked for Fusion GPS. Wow, what a coincidence.

2) Martha G. Kavanaugh, the mother of Brett Kavanaugh, was a Maryland district judge in 1996. She was the judge in a foreclosure case in which Christine Blasey Ford’s parents were the defendants. Martha Kavanaugh ruled against the parents of Christine Blasey Ford in the foreclosure case. Could there be residual resentment?

3) Ford's lawyer is a big Democrat donor who was involved in the Clinton / Paula Jones case.

4) Christine Blazey Ford is a far left professor and an open-borders activist who has signed anti-Trump immigration letters.

5) She also deleted her social media accounts just before coming forward. I don't blame her for that, but what would her posts reveal?

6) An "online professor rating site" has numerous reviews by from her students. Some say that they think she's crazy, and they were actually scared by her behavior.

All factors considered, I suspect that this is just last minute "hail mary pass" by the Democrats in a desperate attempt to block or delay President Trump from appointing another conservative justice to the Supreme Court.

First Bork, then Thomas and now Kavanaugh. Democrat tactics remain the same and are predictable.

Let her testify UNDER OATH on Monday. With the possible penalty of perjury in the balance, my guess is she or her lawyers will come up with a reason why she can not appear.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on September 18, 2018, 02:11:19 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 15, 2018, 03:40:17 PM

Quote from: B.B. on September 05, 2018, 12:00:36 PM

Ask President Hillary Clinton about counting chickens..... ;)

B/B

Remember the media hoping that this would be Hillary's opponent?

(https://scontent.fapa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41425626_2233976230216649_1738740595511263232_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=dcf59ff277a659dc444b66e8470776e0&oe=5C3B2647)

:ROFL:

You wouldn’t be embarrassed much with that representing you abroad!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 19, 2018, 07:03:16 AM

Quote from: rosco on September 18, 2018, 02:11:19 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 15, 2018, 03:40:17 PM
Quote from: B.B. on September 05, 2018, 12:00:36 PM

Ask President Hillary Clinton about counting chickens..... ;)

B/B

Remember the media hoping that this would be Hillary's opponent?

(https://scontent.fapa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41425626_2233976230216649_1738740595511263232_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=dcf59ff277a659dc444b66e8470776e0&oe=5C3B2647)

:ROFL:

You wouldn’t be embarrassed much with that representing you abroad!

Hideous. :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 19, 2018, 07:12:42 AM

Quote from: msmoby on September 12, 2018, 09:29:56 PM

Quote from: BillyB on September 12, 2018, 03:24:43 PM
President Bill Clinton won 43% of the popular vote and still was elected President in 1992. Bill Clinton won less than 50% of the popular vote in 1996 and won again. MOST people in America were disappointed their man wasn't elected but Democrats were happy with the method of voting back then. Only when they lose do they complain.

Quote from: shakespear on September 12, 2018, 03:26:10 PM
Touche'

'Interesting that Shakey asks me to 'read' what BillyB says and 'validates' his post above, but

1/ no-one has spotted the flaw in the origin of the electoral college system's inception - or even asked about it

2/ Clinton won with the highest vote of any candidate in elections with multiple candidates ... yes ? Unlike 'Trampu' who 'won' with THREE MILLION less individual votes...NUTs

Clinton and the DNC committed a crime against our election system by cheating Bernie Sanders out of the nomination to represent the Democrats in the 2016 election.

If you want to whine about something whine about that.

The reality is you’ve already shown yourself to be an immoral man by constantly working against the will of the UK people in regards to Brexit.

Don’t worry about how elections work in USA until you stop behaving like a spoiled brat and sore loser in the UK. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 19, 2018, 01:07:45 PM

As I predicted, Professor Ford will not show up on Monday to testify under oath.

I really value your opinion on this subject. Demanding an FBI investigation be
completed before she is willing to testify does appear to me to be politically motivated.
As a betting man, I think the odds are she and her attorney have looked at the fame
and financial success Anita Hill had AFTER her failed attempt to keep Justice Thomas
off the court and they're lining themselves up for the same piece of the pie that a
martyred and wronged by the "system" woman can now command in the current
"Me Too" environment.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 19, 2018, 02:31:26 PM

Seems to me that her lawyer would know that the alleged incident was not a federal crime and thus not an FBI matter. Thus the call for an FBI investigation was a signal that there was nothing to investigate while still signalling to the sheeple that Kavanaugh was a rapist.

Her unwillingness to appear under oath suggests that she knows that nothing good can come of doing so for her personally. Of course, she is still of use in the court of popular opinion so there's going to be a lot said on the entertainment/news media with a view to influencing legislators to turn against Kavanaugh.

If the US is very lucky there might be a turning point in the way that such stories are handled by politicians, but I doubt it. Perhaps such stories designed as weapons against men and women might become less effective in the future. On the downside, honest, truthful, women might be put off making genuine claims as a result of this farrago.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 19, 2018, 06:41:51 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 19, 2018, 01:07:45 PM

As I predicted, Professor Ford will not show up on Monday to testify under oath.

I really value your opinion on this subject. Demanding an FBI investigation be
completed before she is willing to testify does appear to me to be politically motivated.
As a betting man, I think the odds are she and her attorney have looked at the fame
and financial success Anita Hill had AFTER her failed attempt to keep Justice Thomas
off the court and they're lining themselves up for the same piece of the pie that a
martyred and wronged by the "system" woman can now command in the current
"Me Too" environment.

Why did she wait for 36 years to make this allegation? The entire thing is yet another bogus attempt by Democrats to derail a highly qualified candidate merely for political reasons. The “Democrats” are a pack of rabid lunatics and they showed their true colors at the start of this process.

This article at Fox references Anita Hill.

Quote
“Ford’s story is murkier and less documented than Hill’s was.

According to Ford, she never told anyone about the alleged drunken attempt at rape for 30 years, until a couples therapy session. Her therapist’s notes do not mention Kavanaugh’s name.

There is no pattern of abusive conduct whatsoever in Kavanaugh’s background. His denial of Ford’s accusations is clear and unequivocal.

“I have never done anything like what the accuser describes – to her or to anyone,” Kavanaugh said in a statement Monday. “Because this never happened, I had no idea who was making this accusation until she identified herself yesterday.”

Obviously, Ford’s accusation should be taken seriously. But we can’t ignore that her memory about the alleged incident is very vague. Ford said she thinks it happened back in 1982, but isn’t sure. She doesn’t know who owned the house where the party took place, how she got there, or how she got home.”

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/18/john-fund-kavanaugh-and-ford-controversy-its-1991-all-over-again-and-even-some-honest-liberals-are-upset.amp.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 19, 2018, 07:01:58 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 19, 2018, 06:41:51 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 19, 2018, 01:07:45 PM
As I predicted, Professor Ford will not show up on Monday to testify under oath.

I really value your opinion on this subject. Demanding an FBI investigation be
completed before she is willing to testify does appear to me to be politically motivated.
As a betting man, I think the odds are she and her attorney have looked at the fame
and financial success Anita Hill had AFTER her failed attempt to keep Justice Thomas
off the court and they're lining themselves up for the same piece of the pie that a
martyred and wronged by the "system" woman can now command in the current
"Me Too" environment.

Why did she wait for 36 years to make this allegation? The entire thing is yet another bogus attempt by Democrats to derail a highly qualified candidate merely for political reasons. The “Democrats” are a pack of rabid lunatics and they showed their true colors at the start of this process.

This article at Fox references Anita Hill.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/18/john-fund-kavanaugh-and-ford-controversy-its-1991-all-over-again-and-even-some-honest-liberals-are-upset.amp.html

Yes, I concur.

My guess the Democrats have done them selves a serious disservice and might help energize the Republicans to vote in November. I can be wrong but I doubt the Democrats are going to win what they hope. It was on a clever play by Feinstein but she picked a candidate (victim) that is weak.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 19, 2018, 07:13:49 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 19, 2018, 07:01:58 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 19, 2018, 06:41:51 PM
Quote from: shakespear on September 19, 2018, 01:07:45 PM
As I predicted, Professor Ford will not show up on Monday to testify under oath.

I really value your opinion on this subject. Demanding an FBI investigation be
completed before she is willing to testify does appear to me to be politically motivated.
As a betting man, I think the odds are she and her attorney have looked at the fame
and financial success Anita Hill had AFTER her failed attempt to keep Justice Thomas
off the court and they're lining themselves up for the same piece of the pie that a
martyred and wronged by the "system" woman can now command in the current
"Me Too" environment.

Why did she wait for 36 years to make this allegation? The entire thing is yet another bogus attempt by Democrats to derail a highly qualified candidate merely for political reasons. The “Democrats” are a pack of rabid lunatics and they showed their true colors at the start of this process.

This article at Fox references Anita Hill.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/18/john-fund-kavanaugh-and-ford-controversy-its-1991-all-over-again-and-even-some-honest-liberals-are-upset.amp.html

Yes, I concur.

My guess the Democrats have done them selves a serious disservice and might help energize the Republicans to vote in November. I can be wrong but I doubt the Democrats are going to win what they hope. It was on a clever play by Feinstein but she picked a candidate (victim) that is weak.

I edited my post above right after you responded.

Here’s more from my link above.

Then there is the way Ford brought her accusation forward. She didn’t contact the Judiciary Committee, instead writing to a Democratic lawmaker. She didn’t send her account to the FBI for investigation.

Ford instead allowed Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., to sit on her charges throughout a lengthy confirmation hearing and Kavanaugh’s answering of 1,238 written questions – during which time no one brought up Ford’s letter.

Ford is insisting that she wanted to remain anonymous after she wrote her letter to the highly partisan Feinstein, currently running for re-election.

But at the same time, Ford hired a lawyer, Debra Katz, who is a Democratic activist and spoke in public defense of President Bill Clinton when he was accused of sexual misconduct by Paula Jones.

Bill Clinton the sleazy serial sexual harasser and rapist (allegedly) and Brett Kavanaugh mentioned in the same article? Absurd but par for the course for this partisan circus.

Congress needs to make a firm rule whereby any accuser must make statements to the Police within 1 year or forever remain silent. Anything other than that is an outrageous waste of valuable time and only benefits an uneducated mob mentality.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 19, 2018, 07:35:59 PM

Even the left-wing San Francisco Chronicle is not happy with how this situation was handled by Dianne Feinstein.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s treatment of a more than 3-decade-old sexual assault allegation against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh was unfair all around. It was unfair to Kavanaugh, unfair to his accuser and unfair to Feinstein’s colleagues — Democrats and Republicans alike — on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Feinstein, a California Democrat, took the worst possible course by waiting until almost a week after Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearing was completed to ominously announce that she had turned over “information from an individual” about Kavanaugh to the FBI,...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/amp/Editorial-A-disturbing-11th-hour-allegation-13230890.php

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 19, 2018, 09:49:00 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 19, 2018, 02:31:26 PM

Seems to me that her lawyer would know that the alleged incident was not a federal crime and thus not an FBI matter. Thus the call for an FBI investigation was a signal that there was nothing to investigate while still signalling to the sheeple that Kavanaugh was a rapist.

Her unwillingness to appear under oath suggests that she knows that nothing good can come of doing so for her personally. Of course, she is still of use in the court of popular opinion so there's going to be a lot said on the entertainment/news media with a view to influencing legislators to turn against Kavanaugh.

If the US is very lucky there might be a turning point in the way that such stories are handled by politicians, but I doubt it. Perhaps such stories designed as weapons against men and women might become less effective in the future. On the downside, honest, truthful, women might be put off making genuine claims as a result of this farrago.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2018/09/dianne-feinstein-brett-kavanaugh-accusation-confirmation-hearings/amp/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 20, 2018, 02:48:54 PM

Is President Trump turning the corner and becoming more Presidential? Let's all hope so although I don't want to jinx this by writing that, let's just send positive energy his way and hopefully he'll realize you catch more flies with honey. :)

WASHINGTON -- White House aides who steeled themselves for what President Donald Trump would say when he finally addressed the sexual assault allegation against his Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh were quietly stunned when Trump said the process should be followed and the accuser should be heard.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/aides-quietly-stunned-by-trumps-respectful-handling-of-kavanaugh-accuser/ar-AAAoxVl?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 22, 2018, 12:42:07 PM

It’s the economy, silly! :-*

Dow, S&P Surge to Record Closes as Economy Steams Ahead
-The Washington Post
“U.S. stock markets smashed records Thursday,” Thomas Heath reports, as investors “tuned out politics” and focused on “a flourishing economy.” Both the S&P 500 and Dow Jones industrial average closed at record highs. “It’s the S&P’s 19th record close this year and its 89th since the 2016 elections. The Dow recorded its 12th closing high of the year and its 100th new high since the presidential election.”

source: Washington Post

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on September 22, 2018, 12:50:22 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 22, 2018, 12:42:07 PM

It’s the economy, silly! :-*

Dow, S&P Surge to Record Closes as Economy Steams Ahead
-The Washington Post
“U.S. stock markets smashed records Thursday,” Thomas Heath reports, as investors “tuned out politics” and focused on “a flourishing economy.” Both the S&P 500 and Dow Jones industrial average closed at record highs. “It’s the S&P’s 19th record close this year and its 89th since the 2016 elections. The Dow recorded its 12th closing high of the year and its 100th new high since the presidential election.”

source: Washington Post

:thumbsup:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 22, 2018, 01:33:27 PM

Let me make sure I've got Ms Fords story straight.

She has a fuzzy memory of attending a drunken party of hormone raging
teenagers that had zero adult supervision while wearing a bikini after dark
and she got felt up a bit. When she refused to let them go further they left.
She sustained no physical injuries and never told anybody about it.

Now 35 years later having become a liberal wacko nut job she get's to use
that fuzzy recollection to wreck somebody's life. I think not.

[Edit to add]
Oh, and she gets to hold up the Senate and the Supreme court because she
didn't feel like testifying when or the way they wanted.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 22, 2018, 04:19:48 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on September 22, 2018, 12:50:22 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 22, 2018, 12:42:07 PM
It’s the economy, silly! :-*

Dow, S&P Surge to Record Closes as Economy Steams Ahead
-The Washington Post
“U.S. stock markets smashed records Thursday,” Thomas Heath reports, as investors “tuned out politics” and focused on “a flourishing economy.” Both the S&P 500 and Dow Jones industrial average closed at record highs. “It’s the S&P’s 19th record close this year and its 89th since the 2016 elections. The Dow recorded its 12th closing high of the year and its 100th new high since the presidential election.”

source: Washington Post

:thumbsup:

https://amp.businessinsider.com/mark-cuba-no-doubt-in-my-mind-market-crashes-if-trump-wins-2016-9

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 22, 2018, 04:40:57 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 22, 2018, 01:33:27 PM

Let me make sure I've got Ms Fords story straight.

She has a fuzzy memory of attending a drunken party of hormone raging
teenagers that had zero adult supervision while wearing a bikini after dark
and she got felt up a bit. When she refused to let them go further they left.
She sustained no physical injuries and never told anybody about it.

Now 35 years later having become a liberal wacko nut job she get's to use
that fuzzy recollection to wreck somebody's life. I think not.

[Edit to add]
Oh, and she gets to hold up the Senate and the Supreme court because she
didn't feel like testifying when or the way they wanted.

Feinstein sat on the bogus allegation since July; she should be banned from Congress for such an obvious partisan dirty trick.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/what-democrats-have-become-1537397973

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 22, 2018, 05:11:17 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 22, 2018, 04:40:57 PM

Feinstein sat on the bogus allegation since July; she should be banned from Congress for such an obvious partisan dirty trick.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/what-democrats-have-become-1537397973

The people of California are going to elect an 85 year old war horse
(ready for the glue factory) to the Senate for another 6 year term.
Her and John McCain are the poster child's for term limits.

Is it her goal in life to die in office too?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 22, 2018, 08:18:10 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 22, 2018, 01:33:27 PM

Let me make sure I've got Ms Fords story straight.

She has a fuzzy memory of attending a drunken party of hormone raging
teenagers that had zero adult supervision while wearing a bikini after dark
and she got felt up a bit. When she refused to let them go further they left.
She sustained no physical injuries and never told anybody about it.

Now 35 years later having become a liberal wacko nut job she get's to use
that fuzzy recollection to wreck somebody's life. I think not.

[Edit to add]
Oh, and she gets to hold up the Senate and the Supreme court because she
didn't feel like testifying when or the way they wanted.

I believe she stated she was wearing a one piece bathing suit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 23, 2018, 10:43:44 AM

Apparently, Mrs Ford was alone at whatever event she is claiming to remember. Of the five people she claims were present, none, apart from the story teller, have any recall of the event, or their presence at it. Even her best friend who was supposedly there has said that she wasn't.

If I knew no better, and maybe I don't, I'd be asking if Mrs Ford had undergone hypnotherapy at about the time she came up with the precursor claims made in a relationship therapy session with her husband. Sounds like a manufactured memory to me.

One other thought having had a relationship with a woman who had a personality disorder that led to her manufacturing reality from bits and pieces of real memories, I'd have some sympathy with Mrs Ford if such was found to be the case with her. In such cases a sufferer honestly believes their memories, as do most of us. For her the manufactured events are real. When such people find their 'reality' conflicting with the shared reality of those around them, they undergo a lot of stress and seem to get very angry in supporting their faulty versions of reality. If that's the case here Mrs Ford is suffering hugely right now and those close to her who are supporting her claim and seeking to use her as a weapon to subvert the rule of law are guilty of a horrendous abuse of the woman.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 23, 2018, 02:29:02 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 23, 2018, 10:43:44 AM

. . . Mrs Ford is suffering hugely right now and those close to her who are supporting her claim and seeking to use her as a weapon to subvert the rule of law are guilty of a horrendous abuse of the woman.

Andrew in a roundabout way nails it. The greater problem is two fold; women who have been abused are neglected and the course of democracy is subverted.

With regards to Mrs. Ford she is little more than a pawn.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 23, 2018, 03:42:01 PM

This is what the real story should be. The attempt to have a coup and the shadow unelected government Trump has to deal with.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/lindsey-graham-appoint-special-counsel-to-investigate-%e2%80%98bureaucratic-coup%e2%80%99-against-trump/ar-AAAwOWm?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=SK216DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on September 23, 2018, 04:28:42 PM

Finally this is how the CURRENT USA government
appears to the rest of the world today.

Another episode of ..... DALLAS !

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

(https://i.ytimg.com/sh/K3TbcBLHZ3Eb9-3H4wpayQ/market.jpg)

Enjoy its tune......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqa0Neu9Dxo

:Zzzzsleep: :Zzzzsleep: :Zzzzsleep:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 24, 2018, 04:55:32 AM

As was to be expected, another worm crawls out of the woodwork. Another case where the victim was unable to remember the event, this time admitting that she was pissed as a fart at the time. Again, others supposed to have witnessed the event have no recollection. I just read of a third potential 'event'.

Here's what's going to happen: Kavanaugh will not rise to the Supeme Court. From now on, all potential appointees, to this and other positions, will suffer the same kind of attacks and it will become much, much harder to find good quality candidates.

The rule of law is being dismantled in the United States.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on September 24, 2018, 09:37:50 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 22, 2018, 01:33:27 PM

Let me make sure I've got Ms Fords story straight.

She has a fuzzy memory of attending a drunken party of hormone raging
teenagers that had zero adult supervision while wearing a bikini after dark
and she got felt up a bit. When she refused to let them go further they left.
She sustained no physical injuries and never told anybody about it.

Now 35 years later having become a liberal wacko nut job she get's to use
that fuzzy recollection to wreck somebody's life. I think not.

[Edit to add]
Oh, and she gets to hold up the Senate and the Supreme court because she
didn't feel like testifying when or the way they wanted.

I think you're trying to water this down based on you political bias. What she has stated consistantly is this.
"Blasey has said that Kavanaugh shoved her into a bedroom at a house party when they were both in high school, locked the door, pinned her to the bed, groped her, pulled at her clothing and put his hand over her mouth when she tried to scream. She said she managed to escape when a second teen in the room jumped on top of them."

Bill that's not normal teenage sexual behaviour, its aggression towards females. Read up on sexual assault, and what its really all about. Rape is not about hormones and tossing your rocks off, it's about control, aggression and misogyny.
Now a second female has come forward saying he hung his cock in her face. You want to pass it off as normal behaviour, or attack them like the White House is doing? Most sexual assaults go unreported, victims for various reasons stay silent. Blaming all this on a Democrats agenda is akin to sticking your head in the sand.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 24, 2018, 10:22:05 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on September 24, 2018, 09:37:50 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 22, 2018, 01:33:27 PM
Let me make sure I've got Ms Fords story straight.

She has a fuzzy memory of attending a drunken party of hormone raging
teenagers that had zero adult supervision while wearing a bikini after dark
and she got felt up a bit. When she refused to let them go further they left.
She sustained no physical injuries and never told anybody about it.

Now 35 years later having become a liberal wacko nut job she get's to use
that fuzzy recollection to wreck somebody's life. I think not.

[Edit to add]
Oh, and she gets to hold up the Senate and the Supreme court because she
didn't feel like testifying when or the way they wanted.

I think you're trying to water this down based on you political bias. What she has stated consistantly is this.
"Blasey has said that Kavanaugh shoved her into a bedroom at a house party when they were both in high school, locked the door, pinned her to the bed, groped her, pulled at her clothing and put his hand over her mouth when she tried to scream. She said she managed to escape when a second teen in the room jumped on top of them."

Bill that's not normal teenage sexual behaviour, its aggression towards females. Read up on sexual assault, and what its really all about. Rape is not about hormones and tossing your rocks off, it's about control, aggression and misogyny.
Now a second female has come forward saying he hung his cock in her face. You want to pass it off as normal behaviour, or attack them like the White House is doing? Most sexual assaults go unreported, victims for various reasons stay silent. Blaming all this on a Democrats agenda is akin to sticking your head in the sand.

Baseless fraudulent allegations of mentally deranged sore losers.

Ford cannot remember the address or the date of the party; she made no mention of the alleged incident to her parents or to the authorities.

As Andrew wrote above it’s what is known as a manufactured memory. Diane Feinstein knew of the allegation back in July but sat on it until the very end, how convenient.

Nothing less than an attempt to subvert the rule of law and a coup d’etat against common sense, dignity and the Constitution of the USA itself.

The lawyer for Professor Ford showed ZERO interest in listening to Juanita Broderick when she came forward with rape allegations against Bill Clinton.

These women are just pawns on the chessboard and the DNC has no real interest in protecting women; they will be discarded.

Kavanaugh will be sworn in on October 1st as one of the most qualified Judges in the history of the Supreme Court.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 24, 2018, 11:34:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 24, 2018, 04:55:32 AM

Here's what's going to happen: Kavanaugh will not rise to the Supeme Court. From now on, all potential appointees, to this and other positions, will suffer the same kind of attacks and it will become much, much harder to find good quality candidates. The rule of law is being dismantled in the United States.

Quote from: Confederate on September 24, 2018, 10:22:05 AM

Kavanaugh will be sworn in on October 1st as one of the most qualified Judges in the history of the Supreme Court.

I think both of you are wrong.

The "Deborah Ramirez" incident will be dealt with in less than an hour.

I believe Kavanaugh will be confirmed by the Senate with the Vice President Casting the deciding vote.

But it's not going to happen until the middle of October.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 24, 2018, 12:11:53 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 24, 2018, 11:34:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 24, 2018, 04:55:32 AM
Here's what's going to happen: Kavanaugh will not rise to the Supeme Court. From now on, all potential appointees, to this and other positions, will suffer the same kind of attacks and it will become much, much harder to find good quality candidates. The rule of law is being dismantled in the United States.

Quote from: Confederate on September 24, 2018, 10:22:05 AM
Kavanaugh will be sworn in on October 1st as one of the most qualified Judges in the history of the Supreme Court.

I think both of you are wrong.

The "Deborah Ramirez" incident will be dealt with in less than an hour.

I believe Kavanaugh will be confirmed by the Senate with the Vice President Casting the deciding vote.

But it's not going to happen until the middle of October.

Okay so I may be wrong on the exact date!

Give me a break! The main thing is that our fair

Republic is saved from the lunatics and lemmings

of the current Socialist party. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 24, 2018, 02:17:46 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 24, 2018, 12:11:53 PM

The main thing is that our fair Republic is saved from the
lunatics and lemmings of the current Socialist party. :coffeeread:

They're understandably pissed off about Garland.

They were hoping they'd have a 5-4 court in their favor. Now faced with
the near certainty that there will be a 5-4 court AGAINST them they're in
full panic mode and feel any action no matter how despicable is justified
to accomplish the goal of keeping him OFF the Supreme Court.

There will be no Democrats support this nominee. Losing the seats in the
Senate in 2018 is NOTHING compared to losing control of the Supreme Court
for the next 25-30 years.

McConnell needs to be sure he's got at least 2 of the 3 possible dissenters
whipped into line.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on September 24, 2018, 05:59:30 PM

Quote

he’s representing a third woman who has accused Kavanaugh, 53, of sexual assault.

Quote

Warning: My client re Kavanaugh has previously done work within the State Dept, U.S. Mint, & DOJ. She has been granted multiple security clearances in the past including Public Trust & Secret. The GOP and others better be very careful in trying to suggest that she is not credible

Quote

“The nomination must be withdrawn,”

https://people.com/politics/michael-avenatti-brett-kavanaugh-gang-rapes-high-school/

When it rains, it pours. (:)

Harvey Weinstein
Matt Lauer
Charlie Rose
multiple accused Priests
Bill Cosby
Les Moonves
Larry Nasser
Et. Al.

Guilty or not? ???

I think a lot of this originates from the pre-teen years right at the onset of puberty. Who's :censored: idea was it to allow pre-pubescent children to strip naked and take showers with each other? They force you to participate in Physical Education classes that creates a large amount of perspiration and then don't want you to smell up the joint . :duh: :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on September 24, 2018, 07:15:17 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 24, 2018, 04:55:32 AM

As was to be expected, another worm crawls out of the woodwork. Another case where the victim was unable to remember the event, this time admitting that she was pissed as a fart at the time. Again, others supposed to have witnessed the event have no recollection.

Anti Trump NY Times won't touch the story of the 2nd accuser after interviewing potential witnesses.

The Times had interviewed several dozen people over the past week in an attempt to corroborate her story, and could find no one with firsthand knowledge. Ms. Ramirez herself contacted former Yale classmates asking if they recalled the incident and told some of them that she could not be certain Mr. Kavanaugh was the one who exposed himself.

http://gop.com/the-nyt-refused-to-run-the-new-yorker-story

Quote from: andrewfi on September 24, 2018, 04:55:32 AM

I just read of a third potential 'event'.

Stormy Daniels lawyer claims to have some info. He's also testing the waters to be the next POTUS. If he can derail Kavanaugh, the Democrats will hail him as a hero.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 25, 2018, 08:48:35 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on September 24, 2018, 09:37:50 AM

I think you're trying to water this down based on you political bias. What she has stated consistantly is this.
"Blasey has said that Kavanaugh shoved her into a bedroom at a house party when they were both in high school, locked the door, pinned her to the bed, groped her, pulled at her clothing and put his hand over her mouth when she tried to scream. She said she managed to escape when a second teen in the room jumped on top of them."

Bill that's not normal teenage sexual behaviour, its aggression towards females. Read up on sexual assault, and what its really all about. Rape is not about hormones and tossing your rocks off, it's about control, aggression and misogyny.

Now a second female has come forward saying he hung his cock in her face. You want to pass it off as normal behaviour, or attack them like the White House is doing? Most sexual assaults go unreported, victims for various reasons stay silent. Blaming all this on a Democrats agenda is akin to sticking your head in the sand.

If things actually happened that way then it was assault. However, she also remembered
other people being there and they deny it. She named names and those named denied it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 25, 2018, 08:55:56 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 25, 2018, 08:48:35 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on September 24, 2018, 09:37:50 AM

I think you're trying to water this down based on you political bias. What she has stated consistantly is this.
"Blasey has said that Kavanaugh shoved her into a bedroom at a house party when they were both in high school, locked the door, pinned her to the bed, groped her, pulled at her clothing and put his hand over her mouth when she tried to scream. She said she managed to escape when a second teen in the room jumped on top of them."

Bill that's not normal teenage sexual behaviour, its aggression towards females. Read up on sexual assault, and what its really all about. Rape is not about hormones and tossing your rocks off, it's about control, aggression and misogyny.

Now a second female has come forward saying he hung his cock in her face. You want to pass it off as normal behaviour, or attack them like the White House is doing? Most sexual assaults go unreported, victims for various reasons stay silent. Blaming all this on a Democrats agenda is akin to sticking your head in the sand.

If things actually happened that way then it was assault. However, she also remembered
other people being there and they deny it. She named names and those named denied it.

And if her allegation was true and not political why did she reveal the allegation to a highly partisan politician and not to law enforcement, say like 36 years ago when the incident allegedly happened?

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 25, 2018, 09:01:13 AM

Republican Party Favorability Highest in Seven Years
https://news.gallup.com/poll/242906/republican-party-favorability-highest-seven-years.aspx

Why aren't liberals fun anymore?
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/408063-why-arent-liberals-fun-anymore

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 25, 2018, 12:44:06 PM

I can't remember ever being as proud to be an American as I was after listening
to President Trump's speech to the United Nations this morning. He looked the world's
delegates right in the face and called out terrorism and socialism as the horrible evils
they really are.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 25, 2018, 01:10:19 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 25, 2018, 12:44:06 PM

I can't remember ever being as proud to be an American as I was after listening
to President Trump's speech to the United Nations this morning. He looked the world's
delegates right in the face and called out terrorism and socialism as the horrible evils
they really are.

:thumbsup:

He’s slowly acting and behaving more Presidential, thank heaven or perhaps Melania is taking care of his job stress at night? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on September 25, 2018, 06:27:18 PM

Quote

President Donald Trump received laughs before the United Nations General Assembly in New York City Tuesday after he claimed his administration had been more successful than any other in the country’s history

Quote

Rather than applaud or indicate they were impressed, the audience began to chuckle and some broke into outright laughter. Mr Trump appeared briefly flustered before joking that it was not the reaction he expected but “that's all right.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/un-general-assembly-live-updates-trump-speech-security-council-iran-north-korea-syria-russia-china-a8553781.html

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-laughed-united-nations-un-1137481

So what did you expect? (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 25, 2018, 07:08:58 PM

The White House • September 25, 2018
President Trump returns to the United Nations

“Each of us here today is the emissary of a distinct culture, a rich history, and a people bound together by ties of memory, tradition, and the values that make our homelands like nowhere else on Earth,” President Donald J. Trump said in a major speech at the 73rd Session of the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) today.

“That is why America will always choose independence and cooperation over global governance, control, and domination.”

Last year in New York, President Trump outlined a vision at the U.N. of strong, sovereign nations working together to confront the biggest scourges facing Western civilization in the 21st century. He cited three threats in particular—North Korea, Iran, and ISIS—that required decisive action in the months ahead.

One year later, bold American diplomacy has diminished each of these threats:

The historic Singapore Summit with North Korean Chairman Kim Jong-Un marked the first-ever face-to-face meeting between a U.S. President and a North Korean head of state. At the summit, the two leaders committed to the complete denuclearization of the Korean peninsula. Just last week, leaders from North and South Korea and began drafting a plan to achieve that vision.
When President Trump took office, ISIS represented one of the biggest threats to the world. By changing the rules of engagement on the ground, President Trump empowered U.S. commanders with broader authority to eradicate the terrorist network. That strategy paid dividends: With the help of our allies, all Iraqi territory has been liberated from ISIS control.
On Iran, President Trump used last year’s UNGA speech to reiterate his profound objections to a nuclear deal that put the interests of diplomats ahead of the Iranian people—and, indeed, peaceful people the world over. In May, the President made good on his promise to withdraw America from that deal, reimposing sanctions to deter Tehran’s malign activities.
Embracing “peace through strength,” President Trump has presided over a remarkable year in American foreign policy. Today in New York, he built on last year’s message to world leaders, making it clear that the work is only just beginning.

“Sovereign and independent nations are the only vehicle where freedom has ever survived, democracy has ever endured, or peace has ever prospered,” President Trump said. “So together, let us choose a future of patriotism, prosperity, and pride. Let us choose peace and freedom over domination and defeat. And let us come here to this place to stand for our people and their nations.”

President Trump returns to the U.N.—with new evidence for ‘peace through strength’

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on September 25, 2018, 11:20:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 25, 2018, 12:44:06 PM

I can't remember ever being as proud to be an American as I was after listening
to President Trump's speech to the United Nations this morning. He looked the world's
delegates right in the face and...

mockingly laughed at him, then he went on to praise Kim Jun of North Korea fame.

Yeah, ripping good speech for the 'leader' of the free world. Trump's a fuking joke.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on September 26, 2018, 02:46:52 AM

Quote

From the Mafia's Don, speech in the UN who run's USA and forgets HIS earlier statements: AMERICA FIRST...

"In one of the more remarkable moments in the history of the annual UN summit, the chamber broke out in spontaneous laughter at Trump’s claim that “in less than two years, my administration has accomplished more than almost any administration in the history of our country”.

Clearly taken aback, Trump said: “I didn’t expect that reaction, but that’s OK.”

He is not only a FCUK joke but also a very dangerous Criminal who, together with his mentor, NetaYahoo, can destroy the world!

:sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 26, 2018, 04:36:14 AM

Is Trump, with his talking about sovereignty and independence talking about the same things as Putin and Xi? Is he setting aside the horrors of exceptionalism?

I hope that he meant what he said but it is hard to see that he did; after all, the use of weaponized sanctions and tariffs on independent and sovereign states, because they act in an independent and sovereign manner, tend to suggest that exceptionalism, in practice, is alive and thriving.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 07:55:58 AM

Most countries in this world have tariffs. It is our border we can do anything we want with it.

Placing tariff and sanctions on those countries that mean to do us harm would seem pretty normal. Andrew you need to remember about a lot of the things you wrote how Russia and China was going to ruin the US currency and drastic reduce the standard of living in the USA. They were going to displace us around the world and the US would a third world country. We are likely in the early stages of a cold war that will likely last a long time. Sanctions and trade restrictions is all part of it. They are likely to get a lot worse before it is over.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 26, 2018, 08:52:01 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 26, 2018, 04:36:14 AM

Is Trump, with his talking about sovereignty and independence talking about the same things as Putin and Xi? Is he setting aside the horrors of exceptionalism?

I hope that he meant what he said but it is hard to see that he did; after all, the use of weaponized sanctions and tariffs on independent and sovereign states, because they act in an independent and sovereign manner, tend to suggest that exceptionalism, in practice, is alive and thriving.

I see nothing whatsoever wrong with using economic sanctions as an instrument
of national policy. It is merely a 21st century version of Theodore Roosevelt's "Big
Stick" policy and Reagan's "spend 'em into bankruptcy" that was successfully used
to break the back of the Soviet Union and WIN the "cold war.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 26, 2018, 09:25:53 AM

I'd be surprised if you thought otherwise given your exceptionalist leanings.

Of course, if one is not one of the exceptional people then one might have a different point of view and, quite rationally, see that what the government is is up to is not in the slightest but congruent with Trump's words at the UN.

In addition, the actions of the Trump government are largely illegal under agreements made under the WTO. But, hey, that's OK if you're exceptional.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 26, 2018, 11:50:50 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on September 25, 2018, 11:20:05 PM

mockingly laughed at him, then he went on to praise Kim Jun of North Korea fame.

Yeah, ripping good speech for the 'leader' of the free world. Trump's a fuking joke.

He butters up people that are tending to do the right thing. Last year he was
calling the little dictator Rocket man. What he didn't do, what the liberals
always did was to give him a boatload of money before he did something
right.

His tactics are different therefore he's a fooking joke. He made a better trade
deal with Mexico using tactics that liberals have never tried, while liberals use
tactics that never work.

John Kerry/Hillary Clinton/Jimmy Carter/Bush I & II negotiating tactic is to give
the other side EVERYTHING they wanted while not getting anything concrete in
return and then considered themselves as skilled negotiators.

Now that the USA isn't giving people everything they want, they cry and pout
like 14 year old girls with punch spilled on their new dress. In the end they
make a deal because the alternative is too scary to fathom.

Does anyone think Merkel could stay in office while getting shut out of the US
market?

WARNING MOBY ALERT SOMETHING ABOUT BREXIT:
Does anybody think that Merkel, Macron et al will be able to stay in office by
being tough on the UK?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on September 26, 2018, 12:17:40 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 26, 2018, 11:50:50 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on September 25, 2018, 11:20:05 PM
mockingly laughed at him, then he went on to praise Kim Jun of North Korea fame.

Yeah, ripping good speech for the 'leader' of the free world. Trump's a fuking joke.

He butters up people that are tending to do the right thing. Last year he was
calling the little dictator Rocket man. What he didn't do, what the liberals
always did was to give him a boatload of money before he did something
right.

His tactics are different therefore he's a fooking joke. He made a better trade
deal with Mexico using tactics that liberals have never tried, while liberals use
tactics that never work.

John Kerry/Hillary Clinton/Jimmy Carter/Bush I & II negotiating tactic is to give
the other side EVERYTHING they wanted while not getting anything concrete in
return and then considered themselves as skilled negotiators.

Now that the USA isn't giving people everything they want, they cry and pout
like 14 year old girls with punch spilled on their new dress. In the end they
make a deal because the alternative is too scary to fathom.

Does anyone think Merkel could stay in office while getting shut out of the US
market?

WARNING MOBY ALERT SOMETHING ABOUT BREXIT:
Does anybody think that Merkel, Macron et al will be able to stay in office by
being tough on the UK?

Good post Bill :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 26, 2018, 01:15:01 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 26, 2018, 11:50:50 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on September 25, 2018, 11:20:05 PM
mockingly laughed at him, then he went on to praise Kim Jun of North Korea fame.

Yeah, ripping good speech for the 'leader' of the free world. Trump's a fuking joke.

He butters up people that are tending to do the right thing. Last year he was
calling the little dictator Rocket man. What he didn't do, what the liberals
always did was to give him a boatload of money before he did something
right.

His tactics are different therefore he's a fooking joke. He made a better trade
deal with Mexico using tactics that liberals have never tried, while liberals use
tactics that never work.

John Kerry/Hillary Clinton/Jimmy Carter/Bush I & II negotiating tactic is to give
the other side EVERYTHING they wanted while not getting anything concrete in
return and then considered themselves as skilled negotiators.

Now that the USA isn't giving people everything they want, they cry and pout
like 14 year old girls with punch spilled on their new dress. In the end they
make a deal because the alternative is too scary to fathom.

Does anyone think Merkel could stay in office while getting shut out of the US
market?

WARNING MOBY ALERT SOMETHING ABOUT BREXIT:
Does anybody think that Merkel, Macron et al will be able to stay in office by
being tough on the UK?

I 2nd Rosco’s sentiment. Awesome post Bill! tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 26, 2018, 01:19:35 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 26, 2018, 09:25:53 AM

I'd be surprised if you thought otherwise given your exceptionalist leanings.

The United States is the most exceptional concept of a country ever conceived.
That fact is beyond debate.

As BOTH the most powerful military in the world as well as the largest economy
in the world we have many "clubs in the bag" to use in enacting our foreign policy.
As we have no desire to expand our borders (unlike most of the great powers of
the past) we use that power to oppose despots, terrorists and dictators. In most
cases the "first club out of the bag" is not exerting military power. We
generally prefer to use "economic persuasion" to achieve our national aims.

The European and Asian manufacturing companies are going to have to make
a choice come November 6th. They can follow the instructions of their socialist
and globalist governments and continue to trade with the corrupt and terror-sponsoring
Iranian government, which means the US will impose trade sanctions on them, or
they can take the responsible course of responsible and peace loving nations and
impose sanctions on Iran.

I wonder what they'll do? Money doesn't talk - it SCREAMS. :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 26, 2018, 01:25:38 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 26, 2018, 04:36:14 AM

Is Trump, with his talking about sovereignty and independence talking about the same things as Putin and Xi? Is he setting aside the horrors of exceptionalism?

I hope that he meant what he said but it is hard to see that he did; after all, the use of weaponized sanctions and tariffs on independent and sovereign states, because they act in an independent and sovereign manner, tend to suggest that exceptionalism, in practice, is alive and thriving.

When you say “sanctions” I’m only going to focus (at least right now, in this post) on Venezuela. You can be sure the communist elites connected to Maduro like his wife and his daughter have been looting the country and sending millions of dollars to private banks in Switzerland and elsewhere, they always do. Meanwhile the average citizens are going very hungry or eating rats.

The Investor’s Business Daily editorial board points out that the U.S. economy is booming and pulling ahead from the rest of the world, according to CNBC’s Global CFO Council survey. “Remember when everybody said that the ‘unexpectedly’ strong economy under President Trump had nothing to do with his policies? He was just lucky because the global economy was booming, they said. Well, that attempt to dismiss the Trump boom just fell by the wayside.”

The United States imposed new sanctions on Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro’s wife and several of his top allies on Tuesday as U.S. President Donald Trump urged members of the United Nations to support a ‘restoration of democracy’ in the once-booming OPEC nation,” Lesley Wroughton and Brian Ellsworth report for Reuters. “The move adds pressure to a government already widely criticized for economic collapse and undermining democracy.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 01:34:47 PM

Russia and China constancy violate the rules do not follow the rules so why should we? Still the WTO have not yet ruled that we are in violating of the rules. There is a USA argument that we are not. China violated the rules by putting tariffs on our products first and made it un friendly for US products for many years.

Trump trying to following the rules responded by placing a tariff on aluminum and steel which he argues was need for our national interest as these are two basic industries we need to produce for the security of our nation. The rules aloud for this. The Chinese do this type of stuff all the time. Then Chinese placed tariffs on products that there was no argument were in it need national interest. Then when we responded by placing tariffs on Chinese products that which were not of national security concern. There is a good chance we will win the WTO complaint the Chinese have launch against us.

The Dems made it nearly impossible to get out of the WTO which we may have to do. The WTO could throw us out of the origination for not following the rules which would make Trump and company very happy. The Dems made it require a 2/3 majority to get out of the organization in congress and president signing. In the end if we have to one possibility we will likely ignore the organization which will likely kill it. We could likely get a majority now but not the 2/3 needed to get out of the WTO. If they Rule against us and they get some bad press here maybe we will get the 2/3 majority one day.

As far as I understand there is nothing illegal about follow the rules of the WTO other then we would no longer be in good standing. So maybe other countries will not want to trade with us in the future. Since trade is killing the USA maybe not such a bad thing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 26, 2018, 02:29:07 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 26, 2018, 01:25:38 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 26, 2018, 04:36:14 AM
Is Trump, with his talking about sovereignty and independence talking about the same things as Putin and Xi? Is he setting aside the horrors of exceptionalism?

I hope that he meant what he said but it is hard to see that he did; after all, the use of weaponized sanctions and tariffs on independent and sovereign states, because they act in an independent and sovereign manner, tend to suggest that exceptionalism, in practice, is alive and thriving.

When you say “sanctions” I’m only going to focus (at least right now, in this post) on Venezuela. You can be sure the communist elites connected to Maduro like his wife and his daughter have been looting the country and sending millions of dollars to private banks in Switzerland and elsewhere, they always do. Meanwhile the average citizens are going very hungry or eating rats.

The Investor’s Business Daily editorial board points out that the U.S. economy is booming and pulling ahead from the rest of the world, according to CNBC’s Global CFO Council survey. “Remember when everybody said that the ‘unexpectedly’ strong economy under President Trump had nothing to do with his policies? He was just lucky because the global economy was booming, they said. Well, that attempt to dismiss the Trump boom just fell by the wayside.”

The United States imposed new sanctions on Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro’s wife and several of his top allies on Tuesday as U.S. President Donald Trump urged members of the United Nations to support a ‘restoration of democracy’ in the once-booming OPEC nation,” Lesley Wroughton and Brian Ellsworth report for Reuters. “The move adds pressure to a government already widely criticized for economic collapse and undermining democracy.”

Venezuela has become first under Chavez and now Maduro a throw back to the 'Banana Republic's' of the post second world war period in South and Central America. The difference being the avarice is far greater today than before. The great pity for the average citizens of Venezuela is what was a vibrant country with a diverse culture has disappeared under 'socialism'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on September 26, 2018, 02:48:44 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 26, 2018, 11:50:50 AM

He made a better trade
deal with Mexico using tactics that liberals have never tried, while liberals use
tactics that never work.

John Kerry/Hillary Clinton/Jimmy Carter/Bush I & II negotiating tactic is to give
the other side EVERYTHING they wanted while not getting anything concrete in
return and then considered themselves as skilled negotiators.

Now that the USA isn't giving people everything they want, they cry and pout
like 14 year old girls with punch spilled on their new dress. In the end they
make a deal because the alternative is too scary to

Yeah well I guess Canada isn't following along with his agenda. Trudeau isn't caving to his ridiculous demands, and we're still at the table. What becomes of it is anyone's guess, but it's up to your congress to pass his stellar policy.
I have little doubt once the blowhard is escorted off the Whitehouse grounds in a couple years that things will return to normal. You dont shit on your major trade partner, and think it's the proper way to tweak a trade deal. Mexico is a tiny player in NAFTA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on September 26, 2018, 03:00:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 26, 2018, 01:19:35 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 26, 2018, 09:25:53 AM
I'd be surprised if you thought otherwise given your exceptionalist leanings.

The United States is the most exceptional concept of a country ever conceived.
That fact is beyond debate.

As BOTH the most powerful military in the world as well as the largest economy
in the world we have many "clubs in the bag" to use in enacting our foreign policy.
As we have no desire to expand our borders

But doing that was all hunky dory back in the 18 and 1900's.... ????

BTW, I'd like to see the US get involved in Venezuela before the Chinese get anymore of a foothold. I know y'all are obsessed with Iran, but what the Chinese are going to get away with there will not be good for anyone. And with trash talking Trump at the helm all be lost. You right wing Yanks dont get it, to be a leader means you need to step up on many situations, be it in the form of aid, sanctions, military might or dialogue.
You boys posting here want to piss on every country, and stop giving away your cash. Well the blow back will come at the gain for the communist Chinese.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on September 26, 2018, 03:19:21 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 01:34:47 PM

Russia and China constancy violate the rules do not follow the rules so why should we? Still the WTO have not yet ruled that we are in violating of the rules. There is a USA argument that we are not. China violated the rules by putting tariffs on our products first and made it un friendly for US products for many years.

As far as I understand there is nothing illegal about follow the rules of the WTO other then we would no longer be in good standing. So maybe other countries will not want to trade with us in the future. Since trade is killing the USA maybe not such a bad thing.

I would suggest you buy and read the following book.... and when you read it then

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51Dlzk9xgKL._SX328_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

you may learn how the rules of WTO have been created and by whom ...... imposed to other countries and how they are used against them!

Don't be surprised to discover the truth from one of your own investigative reporters that the USA is behind everything!

Read the comments of AvHdB about Venezuela and don't believe the US propaganda..........

The USA and CIA it's up to it's neck involved in destroying that independent Sovereign country. You only need to read independent sources to find the truth!

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 03:19:33 PM

This article is a little bit about the WTO. The important part is it said the EU wants to keep the USA in WTO by changing the rules.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45364150

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 03:24:29 PM

Wiz nothing you have ever posted has been even a little neutral. It is always very anti USA like we never do anything good. Look at the title. It has negative USA propaganda written all over it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on September 26, 2018, 03:59:30 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 03:24:29 PM

Wiz nothing you have ever posted has been even a little neutral. It is always very anti USA like we never do anything good. Look at the title. It has negative USA propaganda written all over it.

WHY there is so much Anti Americanism around the world?

Have you checked the official lists?

On a personal note why should I be friendly with a country who since 1947, has dominated and controlled the political scene of my birth country and imposed it's own puppets?

Do you know who is the US Ambassador today in Athens?

His Name is Geoffrey Pyatt.... who fukced Ukraine..... and now is doing the same to Greece!

:evilgrin0002:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 26, 2018, 04:07:11 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on September 26, 2018, 03:00:41 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 26, 2018, 01:19:35 PM
Quote from: andrewfi on September 26, 2018, 09:25:53 AM
I'd be surprised if you thought otherwise given your exceptionalist leanings.

The United States is the most exceptional concept of a country ever conceived.
That fact is beyond debate.

As BOTH the most powerful military in the world as well as the largest economy
in the world we have many "clubs in the bag" to use in enacting our foreign policy.
As we have no desire to expand our borders

But doing that was all hunky dory back in the 18 and 1900's.... ????

BTW, I'd like to see the US get involved in Venezuela before the Chinese get anymore of a foothold. I know y'all are obsessed with Iran, but what the Chinese are going to get away with there will not be good for anyone. And with trash talking Trump at the helm all be lost. You right wing Yanks dont get it, to be a leader means you need to step up on many situations, be it in the form of aid, sanctions, military might or dialogue.
You boys posting here want to piss on every country, and stop giving away your cash. Well the blow back will come at the gain for the communist Chinese.

At least a year ago I said the USA should permanently LEAVE the Middle East quagmire and invade Venezuela instead. No doubt the normal people there would welcome us with open arms. Maduro should either be hung in a public square or shot by a firing squad, including his daughter who has looted Millions.

Trump is doing his best within the confines of our gridlocked Congress, however he could have pulled a Bush Jr. and just unilaterally ordered military action and taken full control of Venezuela in the middle of the night. He's learning but keep in mind if you get your wet dream and Trump is impeached then Pence takes control. Pence is more likely to be deceived by the Israeli's into starting WWIII against the Russians.

Do you really want that kind of total economic and military conflict, at the expense of Millions of civilians?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 26, 2018, 05:20:22 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 26, 2018, 02:29:07 PM

Venezuela has become first under Chavez and now Maduro a throw back to the 'Banana Republic's' of the post second world war period in South and Central America. The difference being the avarice is far greater today than before. The great pity for the average citizens of Venezuela is what was a vibrant country with a diverse culture has disappeared under 'socialism'.[/font][/size]

Because I wrote off the cuff so to speak I would like to nuance my comment above. From 1920's to the mid 1980's the various flavour dictatorships were subservient to the USA and the CIA. Starting in Nicaragua and the Sandinistas there was was a pronounced shift to a socialist and even communists flavor that was anti-American. What is interesting it was only the cloth of the 'leaders' that changed. The actual citizens were/are none the better off.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 05:53:34 PM

Quote from: Wiz on September 26, 2018, 03:59:30 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 03:24:29 PM
Wiz nothing you have ever posted has been even a little neutral. It is always very anti USA like we never do anything good. Look at the title. It has negative USA propaganda written all over it.

WHY there is so much Anti Americanism around the world?

Have you checked the official lists?

On a personal note why should I be friendly with a country who since 1947, has dominated and controlled the political scene of my birth country and imposed it's own puppets?

Do you know who is the US Ambassador today in Athens?

His Name is Geoffrey Pyatt.... who fukced Ukraine..... and now is doing the same to Greece!

:evilgrin0002:

Because it is profitable to be anti America if you are a writer.

Because we are the biggest in many ways and people want to take our place.

Everywhere I travel I see very little anti Americanism. This is mostly just your imagination.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 26, 2018, 06:48:32 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 05:53:34 PM

Quote from: Wiz on September 26, 2018, 03:59:30 PM
Quote from: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 03:24:29 PM
Wiz nothing you have ever posted has been even a little neutral. It is always very anti USA like we never do anything good. Look at the title. It has negative USA propaganda written all over it.

WHY there is so much Anti Americanism around the world?

Have you checked the official lists?

On a personal note why should I be friendly with a country who since 1947, has dominated and controlled the political scene of my birth country and imposed it's own puppets?

Do you know who is the US Ambassador today in Athens?

His Name is Geoffrey Pyatt.... who fukced Ukraine..... and now is doing the same to Greece!

:evilgrin0002:

Because it is profitable to be anti America if you are a writer.

Because we are the biggest in many ways and people want to take our place.

Everywhere I travel I see very little anti Americanism. This is mostly just your imagination.

There is a fair bit a truth in what Texan states. Does it give the USA carte blanche, no it is hoped that the government works for everyones good. In the real world does it happen this way, no; sorry.

But there is allot of hatred for what America does represent. There are enemies that would like to destroy the way of life of the United States, some are antique ~ others more recent. Just look at some of the whacky's from the sandy regions.

If the United States were to descend into chaos today or tomorrow it would drag allot of the Western countries with it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 26, 2018, 07:44:40 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 05:53:34 PM

Quote from: Wiz on September 26, 2018, 03:59:30 PM
Quote from: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 03:24:29 PM
Wiz nothing you have ever posted has been even a little neutral. It is always very anti USA like we never do anything good. Look at the title. It has negative USA propaganda written all over it.

WHY there is so much Anti Americanism around the world?

Have you checked the official lists?

On a personal note why should I be friendly with a country who since 1947, has dominated and controlled the political scene of my birth country and imposed it's own puppets?

Do you know who is the US Ambassador today in Athens?

His Name is Geoffrey Pyatt.... who fukced Ukraine..... and now is doing the same to Greece!

:evilgrin0002:

Because it is profitable to be anti America if you are a writer.

Because we are the biggest in many ways and people want to take our place.

Everywhere I travel I see very little anti Americanism. This is mostly just your imagination.

Good post Tex. :thumbsup:

Wiz I fear has a lack of sufficient oxygen to the brain lately. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on September 27, 2018, 01:32:47 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 26, 2018, 05:20:22 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 26, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
Venezuela has become first under Chavez and now Maduro a throw back to the 'Banana Republic's' of the post second world war period in South and Central America. The difference being the avarice is far greater today than before. The great pity for the average citizens of Venezuela is what was a vibrant country with a diverse culture has disappeared under 'socialism'.[/font][/size]

Because I wrote off the cuff so to speak I would like to nuance my comment above. From 1920's to the mid 1980's the various flavour dictatorships were subservient to the USA and the CIA. Starting in Nicaragua and the Sandinistas there was was a pronounced shift to a socialist and even communists flavor that was anti-American. What is interesting it was only the cloth of the 'leaders' that changed. The actual citizens were/are none the better off.

Keep talking old boy.......and slowly the truth will come out.

Have you read the articles and comments ....

2002 Venezuelan coup d'état attempt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt

The Murder of Chávez

https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/11890

Keep reading and that is only the beginning.........

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on September 27, 2018, 02:58:44 AM

Quote from: Confederate on September 26, 2018, 07:44:40 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 05:53:34 PM
Quote from: Wiz on September 26, 2018, 03:59:30 PM
Quote from: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 03:24:29 PM
Wiz nothing you have ever posted has been even a little neutral. It is always very anti USA like we never do anything good. Look at the title. It has negative USA propaganda written all over it.

WHY there is so much Anti Americanism around the world?

Have you checked the official lists?

On a personal note why should I be friendly with a country who since 1947, has dominated and controlled the political scene of my birth country and imposed it's own puppets?

Do you know who is the US Ambassador today in Athens?

His Name is Geoffrey Pyatt.... who fukced Ukraine..... and now is doing the same to Greece!

:evilgrin0002:

Because it is profitable to be anti America if you are a writer.

Because we are the biggest in many ways and people want to take our place.

Everywhere I travel I see very little anti Americanism. This is mostly just your imagination.

Good post Tex. :thumbsup:

Wiz I fear has a lack of sufficient oxygen to the brain lately. :laugh:

Our dear Friend Texan is out of his depth, when it comes to international politics.
Not sure if he has time to make some research and read.......when somebody posts a question to him. It is very understandable to get the same views, as him, when you live under the daily brainwashed propaganda of the USA MSM.

AvHd appears to be off the bottle ...for now and make some sensible comments.

Confederate Actually, I am suffering of the opposite with my lungs. Too much oxygen is going to my brain. After 50 years smoking, 3 weeks ago I made a deal with the "Grim Reaper" who knocked my door, I stopped and sofar I am winning the battle. Mrs wiz has taken most of my bad behaviour but she is happy.....me not smoking.

All I said to Texan is .... just look the USA history around the world, after WWII and make up your own mind. If you were on the receiving end of their imperialist and murderous actions, would you be so amenable towards America?

Here is an article about it:

Anti-Americanism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 27, 2018, 07:18:52 AM

Quote from: Wiz on September 27, 2018, 02:58:44 AM

Quote from: Confederate on September 26, 2018, 07:44:40 PM
Quote from: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 05:53:34 PM
Quote from: Wiz on September 26, 2018, 03:59:30 PM
Quote from: Texan77 on September 26, 2018, 03:24:29 PM
Wiz nothing you have ever posted has been even a little neutral. It is always very anti USA like we never do anything good. Look at the title. It has negative USA propaganda written all over it.

WHY there is so much Anti Americanism around the world?

Have you checked the official lists?

On a personal note why should I be friendly with a country who since 1947, has dominated and controlled the political scene of my birth country and imposed it's own puppets?

Do you know who is the US Ambassador today in Athens?

His Name is Geoffrey Pyatt.... who fukced Ukraine..... and now is doing the same to Greece!

:evilgrin0002:

Because it is profitable to be anti America if you are a writer.

Because we are the biggest in many ways and people want to take our place.

Everywhere I travel I see very little anti Americanism. This is mostly just your imagination.

Good post Tex. :thumbsup:

Wiz I fear has a lack of sufficient oxygen to the brain lately. :laugh:

Our dear Friend Texan is out of his depth, when it comes to international politics.
Not sure if he has time to make some research and read.......when somebody posts a question to him. It is very understandable to get the same views, as him, when you live under the daily brainwashed propaganda of the USA MSM.

AvHd appears to be off the bottle ...for now and make some sensible comments.

Confederate Actually, I am suffering of the opposite with my lungs. Too much oxygen is going to my brain. After 50 years smoking, 3 weeks ago I made a deal with the "Grim Reaper" who knocked my door, I stopped and sofar I am winning the battle. Mrs wiz has taken most of my bad behaviour but she is happy.....me not smoking.

All I said to Texan is .... just look the USA history around the world, after WWII and make up your own mind. If you were on the receiving end of their imperialist and murderous actions, would you be so amenable towards America?

Here is an article about it:

Anti-Americanism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism)

I certainly hope you win the battle and keep off of cigarettes.

Our foreign policy is not always fair or consistent, true.

Venezuela should be a prosperous nation but it has been destroyed by that idiot Communist Maduro. Their wounds are all self-inflicted and have nothing to do with the USA. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 27, 2018, 07:41:37 AM

Wiz,

Each of us as posters are going to share there own view point based on there beliefs. Think of it as a puzzle.

You Wiz are strongly anti-Jewish, and sees a conspiracy of the Zionists at every corner, for me not a problem.

Texan & Confederate on the other hand represents a simplistic view of America, not a problem for me.

Rosco and Andrew can see the big picture and even put pieces in place, good for them.

Moby will after a moment look at the half finished puzzle become frustrated and with rage scramble it.

Such is reality deal with it, this is only a forum. I am happy none of you are in a part of a government.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on September 27, 2018, 07:56:50 AM

Quote from: Confederate on September 27, 2018, 07:18:52 AM

I certainly hope you win the battle and keep off of cigarettes.

Our foreign policy is not always fair or consistent, true.

Venezuela should be a prosperous nation but it has been destroyed by that idiot Communist Maduro. Their wounds are all self-inflicted and have nothing to do with the USA. :coffeeread:

If you had read many articles from this person, Noam Chomsky on Venezuela
you may had a different opinion.... (a friend of AvHdB)..... ??? :snivel:

https://chomsky.info/20110704/

Thank for good wishes. :reading:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on September 27, 2018, 08:20:31 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 27, 2018, 07:41:37 AM

I am happy none of you are in a part of a government.

This should be the quote of the Month!!!! ;D :chuckle: :laugh: :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 27, 2018, 12:42:48 PM

So I just watched the testimony of Professor Ford a complete airhead IMO and just a political pawn of the DNC and Soros. The whole disgusting spectacle is not only a corrupt attempt to derail a highly qualified Judge but more importantly for the DNC to wrongly influence the 2018 election coming up very soon in about six weeks.

Feinstein and company not only sat on it until the last moment you can be sure it was her who leaked it to the media.

Both Ford and Kavanaugh are casualties in this freak circus but hopefully Conservatives get the last laugh. Not a good time in history to be born a male either, at least not in the USA. Salem Witch trials all over but this time the victims are all men.

Senator Graham did an excellent job of exposing the left for being politically motivated hacks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 27, 2018, 12:51:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 27, 2018, 12:42:48 PM

So I just watched the testimony of Professor Ford a complete airhead IMO and just a political pawn of the DNC and Soros. The whole disgusting spectacle is not only a corrupt attempt to derail a highly qualified Judge but more importantly for the DNC to wrongly influence the 2018 election coming up very soon in about six weeks.

Actually, I thought she was "emotionally credible" but didn't add anything
additional to collaborate the veracity of her story.

Remember 4 of the people who were at the house at the time the incident
happened have denied it actually occurred.

I think she actually honestly believes she is doing the right thing.

Kavanaugh can salt away the nomination with a Clarence Thomas "it is a
high-tech lynching for uppity-blacks" testimony.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 27, 2018, 01:33:35 PM

I’d say as of right now Kavanaugh will be confirmed. He’s doing an outstanding job of exposing the tyranny and DISHONESTY of the thugs on the left who orchestrated this BS circus freak show.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 27, 2018, 01:36:02 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 27, 2018, 01:33:35 PM

I’d say as of right now Kavanaugh will be confirmed. He’s doing an outstanding job of exposing the tyranny and DISHONESTY of the thugs on the left who orchestrated this BS circus freak show.

He's certainly off to a strong start . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 27, 2018, 01:57:23 PM

The Dems did a real disservice to everyone here. They sat on this for over 60 days so there would be no time to investigate what really happened. They wanted to make a circus out of it for political gain. This way they can claim if he is approved for the positions that the GOP does not care about women. If he is not then the saved the country. If he gets approves there will be women's marches all over the country because of how the GOP does not care about women. They do not care about what happened if it did they would said something 60 days ago so it could of been properly investigated.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 27, 2018, 04:30:14 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on September 27, 2018, 01:57:23 PM

The Dems did a real disservice to everyone here. They sat on this for over 60 days so there would be no time to investigate what really happened. They wanted to make a circus out of it for political gain. This way they can claim if he is approved for the positions that the GOP does not care about women. If he is not then the saved the country. If he gets approves there will be women's marches all over the country because of how the GOP does not care about women. They do not care about what happened if it did they would said something 60 days ago so it could of been properly investigated.

The above has been noted earlier on, try to keep up Tex. This is politics 2018 style, get used to it.

The bigger issue will the Democrats running for public office profit from this ms. Feinstein's stunt or will it hurt them in November. I noted a week or so ago this stunt/BS and will damage them in the mid-terms, just my opinion.

If the Democrats can motivate there side, I could be wrong.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 27, 2018, 05:02:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 27, 2018, 01:33:35 PM

I’d say as of right now Kavanaugh will be confirmed. He’s doing an outstanding job of exposing the tyranny and DISHONESTY of the thugs on the left who orchestrated this BS circus freak show.

No big surprise, there is a Soros connection to this mess.

Quote:
Last month, Katz’s organization, along with several other left-leaning groups, co-signed a letter to Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Sen. Charles Grassley demanding Kavanaugh records.

Katz has also donated thousands of dollars to Democratic candidates, including Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

Fox News noted that Katz “also has a history of downplaying or dismissing accusations made by women against Democratic politicians – including former President Bill Clinton and former Minnesota Sen. Al Franken.”

In June, the Daily Caller found “a new political advocacy group that vowed to put $5 million behind an effort to stop … Kavanaugh’s confirmation has significant ties” to Soros.

https://www.worldtribune.com/who-is-christine-blasey-ford-part-ii-the-soros-connection/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 27, 2018, 06:31:05 PM

I understand Mark Judge might testified.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 27, 2018, 06:34:18 PM

Graham slammed the democrats today. More republicans should have done the same.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 27, 2018, 06:40:41 PM

What happens if the nomination is put on hold because of the Democrats (Fienstein) actions.

Will this help the Republicans in the mid terms?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 27, 2018, 07:16:42 PM

Mitch McConnell just made a statement that they will be moving forward with the nomination process.
I am confident that the nomination will be approved

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 27, 2018, 10:48:35 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 27, 2018, 06:34:18 PM

Graham slammed the democrats today. More republicans should have done the same.

Senator Graham gave an interview after her testimony where he was polite and professional about her but at the end slammed the National Socialists (they’re no longer remotely Democratic, they’re the Nazi Party of America in my book).

He slammed them again even more forcefully when he questioned Kavanaugh. I actually liked the interview he gave earlier as he was more composed. I didn’t know that he had previously been a Judge either.

Overall I was very pleased with Senator Graham’s vigorous support of the nominee.

I was also never happier ever in Thursday night NFL football. Great game and it helped erase my desire to vomit from those freak show hearings.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on September 28, 2018, 02:24:25 AM

There is a couple of problems with this. Many women feel she is credible and believe he did this. It would sure be better to put this on hold until after the elections and give them more time to secure more information about what really happened before going forward. The Dems will have a field day if they approve him.

Read the other side of the story. This is not going well for the GOP just before the elections.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/why-brett-kavanaugh%e2%80%99s-hearings-convinced-me-that-he%e2%80%99s-guilty/ar-BBNDZAx?ocid=U218DHP

The American Bar is asking for a delay also.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/american-bar-association-calls-for-fbi-investigation-into-kavanaugh-allegations-delay-in-confirmation-votes/ar-BBNEbmZ?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 28, 2018, 03:37:37 AM

Quote from: shakespear on September 27, 2018, 12:51:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 27, 2018, 12:42:48 PM
So I just watched the testimony of Professor Ford a complete airhead IMO and just a political pawn of the DNC and Soros. The whole disgusting spectacle is not only a corrupt attempt to derail a highly qualified Judge but more importantly for the DNC to wrongly influence the 2018 election coming up very soon in about six weeks.

Actually, I thought she was "emotionally credible" but didn't add anything
additional to collaborate the veracity of her story.

Remember 4 of the people who were at the house at the time the incident
happened have denied it actually occurred.

I think she actually honestly believes she is doing the right thing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 28, 2018, 12:35:42 PM

Who's ego is bigger?

A lame duck junior Senator in his last 90 days in
office or President Donald Trump?

What an asshole!

Let's just ring the bell and open the door for any whack-job
looking for their 10 minutes of fame to bring public another
false allegation against Kavanaugh.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 28, 2018, 02:33:43 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 28, 2018, 12:35:42 PM

What an asshole!

Is anybody really surprised that Flake Flaked?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DoNCcWcXcAA0QPK.jpg)

The problem with electing moderates is that they moisten
their finger, then stick it into the wind to see which way
it's blowing and then vote accordingly.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 28, 2018, 02:53:45 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 27, 2018, 07:16:42 PM

I am confident that the nomination will be approved

I will tell you with 100% certainty that the Dems will dig another
woman out of thin air to make additional claims during this week's
investigation and they can do it every week of every year.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 28, 2018, 04:28:42 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 28, 2018, 02:53:45 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 27, 2018, 07:16:42 PM
I am confident that the nomination will be approved

I will tell you with 100% certainty that the Dems will dig another
woman out of thin air to make additional claims during this week's
investigation and they can do it every week of every year.

The more accusations the Dems manufacture the less credible Ford's story becomes.
Kavanaugh will eventually prevail, George Bush might play a key role in the coming days.
This stunt is going to motivate the Republican base to shut down the the Dems in the midterm elections. Who actually thinks a high school yearbook would be compelling evidence ?

Can't wait to see who President Trump will pick to replace Ruth Ginsberg when the time comes. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 28, 2018, 04:49:24 PM

I have said it before and still think the same, the Democrats are shooting them selves in the foot with this stunt. In November there wins will be rapidly cooling hot air. I might be wrong but we will know in six weeks.

As from J. Flake, think he made a sensible proposal and I can respect that.

On the other side it is possible the Democrats will find another 'victim'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 28, 2018, 05:12:07 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 28, 2018, 12:35:42 PM

Who's ego is bigger?

A lame duck junior Senator in his last 90 days in
office or President Donald Trump?

What an asshole!

Let's just ring the bell and open the door for any whack-job
looking for their 10 minutes of fame to bring public another
false allegation against Kavanaugh.

He wants to make sure he goes down in history as a real flake! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on September 29, 2018, 08:42:05 AM

There will be more skeletons making an appearance in the coming days. I'd also expect that Team Ford's handlers will have a dossier to pass over to the FBI to 'help' their 7 day investigation.

I think that it will be hard for Kavanaugh to take a place in the bench unless Trump and the Republican party chooses to make a stand in defiance of media, activist, and Democrat activities. My guess is that the required strength is not present. I hope that I am wrong.

At this point it does not matter about Kavanaugh or his attributes and opinions about abortion or other matters. The issue now is about process and governance. If Kavanaugh is not appointed the United States will suffer badly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on September 29, 2018, 09:32:22 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on September 28, 2018, 02:24:25 AM

The American Bar is asking for a delay also.

The ABA is a fraud. They were formerly a trade association for lawyers, but decided they were going to take political positions in 1990 and lost a third of their membership overnight. There's a reason that the GOP uses the Federalist Society's recommendations on judges - if you're going to listen to partisan organizations, pick the one that *doesn't* hate you.

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 28, 2018, 02:53:45 PM

I will tell you with 100% certainty that the Dems will dig another
woman out of thin air to make additional claims during this week's
investigation and they can do it every week of every year.

They seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel. Julie Swetnick would have been a sophomore at university when she attended the (alleged) high school party where she claims Kavanaugh and Judge were waiting in line to gang rape drugged girls, and her response to all of this was not to call the police it was to ... go to more such parties.

The question I'd most like the FBI to investigate is, if Ford was attacked and fled as she claimed, why did she leave her best friend as the only woman at a party with at least two wannabe rapists?

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on September 29, 2018, 10:05:11 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 28, 2018, 04:28:42 PM

The more accusations the Dems manufacture the less credible Ford's story becomes.
Kavanaugh will eventually prevail, George Bush might play a key role in the coming days.
This stunt is going to motivate the Republican base to shut down the the Dems in the midterm elections. Who actually thinks a high school yearbook would be compelling evidence ?

Can't wait to see who President Trump will pick to replace Ruth Ginsberg when the time comes. :chuckle:

The Dems will keep adding more women no matter how bad their
story is. They will say that it shows a pattern of bad behavior.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 29, 2018, 10:47:58 AM

Quote from: B.B. on September 29, 2018, 09:32:22 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on September 28, 2018, 02:24:25 AM
The American Bar is asking for a delay also.

The ABA is a fraud. They were formerly a trade association for lawyers, but decided they were going to take political positions in 1990 and lost a third of their membership overnight. There's a reason that the GOP uses the Federalist Society's recommendations on judges - if you're going to listen to partisan organizations, pick the one that *doesn't* hate you.

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 28, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
I will tell you with 100% certainty that the Dems will dig another
woman out of thin air to make additional claims during this week's
investigation and they can do it every week of every year.

They seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel. Julie Swetnick would have been a sophomore at university when she attended the (alleged) high school party where she claims Kavanaugh and Judge were waiting in line to gang rape drugged girls, and her response to all of this was not to call the police it was to ... go to more such parties.

The question I'd most like the FBI to investigate is, if Ford was attacked and fled as she claimed, why did she leave her best friend as the only woman at a party with at least two wannabe rapists?

B/B

The whole thing is clearly a partisan attempt to smear a highly qualified Judge.

I’d like to know why Congress even allowed this outrageous freak show, 36 years after the alleged incident?

Congress needs to change their internal rules:

A. Report it to the Police first before Congress.

B. No allegations will even be considered 5 years after the fact.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on September 29, 2018, 10:52:46 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on September 29, 2018, 08:42:05 AM

There will be more skeletons making an appearance in the coming days. I'd also expect that Team Ford's handlers will have a dossier to pass over to the FBI to 'help' their 7 day investigation.

I think that it will be hard for Kavanaugh to take a place in the bench unless Trump and the Republican party chooses to make a stand in defiance of media, activist, and Democrat activities. My guess is that the required strength is not present. I hope that I am wrong.

At this point it does not matter about Kavanaugh or his attributes and opinions about abortion or other matters. The issue now is about process and governance. If Kavanaugh is not appointed the United States will suffer badly.

Quote from: B.B. on September 29, 2018, 09:32:22 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on September 28, 2018, 02:24:25 AM
The American Bar is asking for a delay also.

The ABA is a fraud. They were formerly a trade association for lawyers, but decided they were going to take political positions in 1990 and lost a third of their membership overnight. There's a reason that the GOP uses the Federalist Society's recommendations on judges - if you're going to listen to partisan organizations, pick the one that *doesn't* hate you.

Quote from: 2tallbill on September 28, 2018, 02:53:45 PM
I will tell you with 100% certainty that the Dems will dig another
woman out of thin air to make additional claims during this week's
investigation and they can do it every week of every year.

They seem to be scraping the bottom of the barrel. Julie Swetnick would have been a sophomore at university when she attended the (alleged) high school party where she claims Kavanaugh and Judge were waiting in line to gang rape drugged girls, and her response to all of this was not to call the police it was to ... go to more such parties.

The question I'd most like the FBI to investigate is, if Ford was attacked and fled as she claimed, why did she leave her best friend as the only woman at a party with at least two wannabe rapists?

B/B

This confirmation 'hearing' has become a sad indictment of the US political process.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on September 29, 2018, 11:53:36 AM

Quote from: B.B. on September 29, 2018, 09:32:22 AM

The question I'd most like the FBI to investigate is, if Ford was attacked and fled as she claimed, why did she leave her best friend as the only woman at a party with at least two wannabe rapists?
B/B

To me the telling argument is this. If a man is a "sexual predator" at age 17,
he's offenses would get worse and more frequent as he gets older. Kavanaugh
has been through at least 6 different investigations by the FBI in his 30 years of
public service and not a single complaint has been filed by a woman for any kind
of inappropriate sexual behavior.

Much more likely that Dr Ford is guilty of accusing the wrong man.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on September 29, 2018, 12:30:52 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 29, 2018, 11:53:36 AM

Much more likely that Dr Ford is guilty of accusing the wrong man.

There are two men who say exactly that, because *they* are the guys who did it (https://nypost.com/2018/09/27/two-men-tell-senate-that-they-not-kavanaugh-assaulted-ford/).

Can't wait for them to be attacked for their "bad memories" from 36 years ago...

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on September 29, 2018, 05:42:11 PM

My thoughts are that ms, Ford may have gotten some enhanced memory therapy, and for her the event became real. Could also explain why No one else can recall that specific incident

Interesting video on memory manipulation

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on September 29, 2018, 09:26:21 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 29, 2018, 05:42:11 PM

My thoughts are that ms, Ford may have gotten some enhanced memory therapy, and for her the event became real. Could also explain why No one else can recall that specific incident

Interesting video on memory manipulation

If anyone should be investigated by the FBI it should be her. Waiting 36 years to make an allegation is highly suspect to begin with. Timing it to coincide with the possible confirmation of a Judge which she vehemently opposes due to her personal politics makes her bogus allegation even more suspect. There’s no doubt her memory has been manipulated.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 01, 2018, 10:07:44 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on September 25, 2018, 11:20:05 PM

Quote from: shakespear on September 25, 2018, 12:44:06 PM
I can't remember ever being as proud to be an American as I was after listening
to President Trump's speech to the United Nations this morning. He looked the world's
delegates right in the face and...

mockingly laughed at him, then he went on to praise Kim Jun of North Korea fame.

Yeah, ripping good speech for the 'leader' of the free world. Trump's a fuking joke.

Looks like your “dear Leader” in Canada folded Donkey Don.

More winning for the USA, more losing for the soon to be Caliphate to our north. :laugh:

U.S. Reaches Trade Deal with Canada and Mexico
“Trade ministers from the U.S., Mexico and Canada have reached a deal to revamp the North American Free Trade Agreement, the Trump administration announced late Sunday night,” Politico reports.
“The new pact, which is being called the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement, is a major step toward completing one of Trump’s signature campaign promises.”
Click here to read more.
“President Trump on Monday praised Canada for joining the U.S. and Mexico in a new trilateral trade agreement that will replace NAFTA,” Pete Kasperowicz reports in the Washington Examiner. “Late last night, our deadline, we reached a wonderful new Trade Deal with Canada, to be added into the deal already reached with Mexico,” President Trump tweeted. The President also added that “the new U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement, or USMCA, is an ‘historic transaction!’”

source: The White House

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 01, 2018, 03:59:16 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 27, 2018, 07:41:37 AM

Wiz,

Each of us as posters are going to share there own view point based on there beliefs. Think of it as a puzzle.

You Wiz are strongly anti-Jewish, and sees a conspiracy of the Zionists at every corner, for me not a problem.

Texan & Confederate on the other hand represents a simplistic view of America, not a problem for me.

Rosco and Andrew can see the big picture and even put pieces in place, good for them.

Moby will after a moment look at the half finished puzzle become frustrated and with rage scramble it.

Such is reality deal with it, this is only a forum. I am happy none of you are in a part of a government.

AvHdB,

Kindly leave me out of your juvenile attempts to analyze people. I may agree with Texan here and there just as I somewhat rarely agree with you. I try to find common ground with diverse people when they display civility.

Quite frankly you've already offered up quite a bigoted viewpoint of Texas and the people from there, even though I doubt if you've gotten to know anyone from there very well in order to understand their values.

My view of the USA is rather complex and I don't always share my complete opinions on any forum.

If you're not worried about "zionism" perhaps you should be, or perhaps as Wiz believes you get paid to blog for them. :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeZ0P7mUwAAlDHb.jpg)

http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 01, 2018, 09:13:41 PM

Trump @war, movie documentary, by Steven Brannon.
When you consider the resistance of the liberals it makes President Trumps accomplishments even more impressive. .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 02, 2018, 02:32:29 AM

It has been suggested that Ford's story was cooked up with colleagues at her university taking advantage of a genuine incident. That makes sense and might fit the narrative better than her own story. That two guys have stood up and said they were the guys who assaulted her supports the idea.

If true that makes Ford a lying, manipulative piece of shit. Having seen her testimony I am pretty sure, as an observer of people, that I was watching a manipulative piece of shit telling lies to purposefully destroy another person's life.

More than that, I am coming to the opinion that while the Democrats used Ford they believed that her tale was true. That error will cost them dear.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 02, 2018, 02:33:55 AM

At the same time Kavanaugh was also lying. And that will come back to bite him on the ass.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 02, 2018, 04:13:40 AM

The now bigger problem is if Kavanaugh is appointed to the Supreme Court he will always be tainted by these accusations.

I still suspect that the handling of this matter will cost the Democrats in the mid-term elections.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 02, 2018, 06:24:26 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 02, 2018, 02:33:55 AM

At the same time Kavanaugh was also lying. And that will come back to bite him on the ass.

I’ve also begun to think Kavanaugh may be lying about his drunken behavior (If measured similar to Obama and his cocaine problem in College it shouldn’t matter). It seems he wants to over compensate. Why would he want to have all 4 law clerks be female? Why not go for “equality” and have 2 men and 2 women?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 02, 2018, 06:35:02 AM

How many university students have not had days, or nights, when they drank waaay too much? How many men and women have not become belligerent when drunk? How many of us have not done stuff during that part of our lives that we regret?

I do not believe, given what he has told us, that he was the angel he claims to be. I think that he should be able to say 'yes, like many others I learned while I was growing up, that's part of the process that creates a rounded and productive adult'.

By not saying something like that, and, indeed, claiming the opposite, he has made of himself a liar and that's not a good thing. The next question we ask is this: if he lied about his, normal enough, behaviour as a kid, what has he lied about since then?

My problem with this witchhunt is not about the man but about the process, a process that is weakening the bonds that make a country and a people a functioning, but diverse unity. However, by pandering to a dishonest audience of tormentors Kavanaugh is making himself a less solid candidate for a premier role.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 02, 2018, 08:00:52 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 02, 2018, 06:35:02 AM

How many university students have not had days, or nights, when they drank waaay too much? How many men and women have not become belligerent when drunk? How many of us have not done stuff during that part of our lives that we regret?

I do not believe, given what he has told us, that he was the angel he claims to be. I think that he should be able to say 'yes, like many others I learned while I was growing up, that's part of the process that creates a rounded and productive adult'.

By not saying something like that, and, indeed, claiming the opposite, he has made of himself a liar and that's not a good thing. The next question we ask is this: if he lied about his, normal enough, behaviour as a kid, what has he lied about since then?

My problem with this witchhunt is not about the man but about the process, a process that is weakening the bonds that make a country and a people a functioning, but diverse unity. However, by pandering to a dishonest audience of tormentors Kavanaugh is making himself a less solid candidate for a premier role.

Well said Andrew. I expressed reservations about him upthread because as Rand Paul suggested he was too intimately involved with Bush Jr. He supported the Patriot Act which I consider government overreach and entirely anti-Constitutional and against the Bill of Rights.

If he’s approved he’d likely be better than a left-leaning Judge. But like Senator Rand Paul I have reservations about him. His inability to possibly be more truthful about his youth is annoying. Would I be loyal to Trump and confirm him at this point? Yes.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 02, 2018, 08:58:17 AM

This is a power grab by the Dems who hope to win back the Senate in November (not likely at the moment, but possible). They are being egged on by the far Left for whom Feelings > Facts. Thus we saw Jeff Flake being "confronted" by a "survivor" who turned out to be an activist twit going on about her prior sexual assault (maybe it happened, maybe it didn't) and conflating it with Dr. Ford's alleged assault.

There's a vid or two going around now of Mitch McConnell being harassed, once in an airport another coming out of a restaurant (IIRC) by entitled narcissists who think they are "Speaking Troofs to Power" or some other nonsense.

It's going to get worse.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 02, 2018, 09:33:16 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 02, 2018, 08:58:17 AM

This is a power grab by the Dems who hope to win back the Senate in November (not likely at the moment, but possible). They are being egged on by the far Left for whom Feelings > Facts. Thus we saw Jeff Flake being "confronted" by a "survivor" who turned out to be an activist twit going on about her prior sexual assault (maybe it happened, maybe it didn't) and conflating it with Dr. Ford's alleged assault.

There's a vid or two going around now of Mitch McConnell being harassed, once in an airport another coming out of a restaurant (IIRC) by entitled narcissists who think they are "Speaking Troofs to Power" or some other nonsense.

It's going to get worse.

B/B

Which is why any sane Congressman (or woman) would vote to confirm Kavanaugh.

The lefty’s have opened up a Pandora’s box of lunatics to support them and it will be their undoing in the end.

:trainwreck:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 02, 2018, 09:57:15 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 02, 2018, 09:33:16 AM

Which is why any sane Congressman (or woman) would vote to confirm Kavanaugh.

The lefty’s have opened up a Pandora’s box of lunatics to support them and it will be their undoing in the end.

:trainwreck:

Don't forget that for these people, this career stuff. The Republicans probably opened up the box when the Democrats had control and now the dark, nasty things are flying out into the world. Both sides will continue to play the game and standards will fall further until there's some tipping point that causes a catastrophic change.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 02, 2018, 05:59:16 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 02, 2018, 06:35:02 AM

How many university students have not had days, or nights, when they drank waaay too much? How many men and women have not become belligerent when drunk? How many of us have not done stuff during that part of our lives that we regret?

I do not believe, given what he has told us, that he was the angel he claims to be. I think that he should be able to say 'yes, like many others I learned while I was growing up, that's part of the process that creates a rounded and productive adult'.

:laugh:
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42867072_989900814515991_6619490191725821952_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&oh=cd9463e909ce1e40e528f575a44eed15&oe=5C5844F6)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 02, 2018, 09:30:21 PM

Zero Hedge on Ford’s dishonesty.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/blasey-fords-kavinaugh-testimony-unravels-after-ex-boyfriend-refutes-key-claims

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on October 02, 2018, 10:57:27 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 02, 2018, 06:35:02 AM

How many university students have not had days, or nights, when they drank waaay too much? How many men and women have not become belligerent when drunk? How many of us have not done stuff during that part of our lives that we regret?

I do not believe, given what he has told us, that he was the angel he claims to be. I think that he should be able to say 'yes, like many others I learned while I was growing up, that's part of the process that creates a rounded and productive adult'.

Many more witnesses that say he's a great guy and doesn't drink till he blackouts compared to witnesses, who happen to be all liberal, say he drinks often. Kavanaugh graduated top in his class at the #1 law school in America. I don't think he achieved that being drunk half the time.

There's so many accusations on him being thrown out there hoping something will stick. Don't drink the Kool Aid. The guy is good at what he does and currently working at the 2nd highest court in America. He had a lot of promotions to get there. He deserves to have another.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 03, 2018, 09:15:35 AM

Trump mocks Kavanaugh accuser.

https://www.google.com/amp/nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/amp/2018/10/trump-mocks-and-imitates-christine-ford-at-campaign-rally.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 03, 2018, 09:19:38 AM

President Trump gets rare praise from Senator Schumer.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/schumer-trump-deserves-praise-for-work-to-fix-mexico-canada-trade-deal

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 03, 2018, 11:17:38 AM

Accidentally, i came across this video in a greek site, which shows the super quality of programs the USA public is watching!

I have to admit that I have never watched
before, so educational program in my life!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ji8i7Wy4mo

:sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 04, 2018, 11:59:12 AM

Just as I had said Kavanaugh will most likely be approved by the Senate this weekend or Monday.
The Dems made a huge error with their little stunt, and are now poised to lose seats in the Senate and will not gain enough seats to have majority in the house.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 05, 2018, 12:20:06 AM

Slavic Truth Bombs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEb10RiUhV4&feature=youtu.be) about "malignant feminism".

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 05, 2018, 01:34:40 AM

As background R. Bork was nominated to the Supreme Court in 1987 by R. Reagan. After a rather vicious attack more on the personality of R. Bork by the Democrats he was defeated.

This gave rise to the expression of Borking.

The Democrats than attempted the same style of attack on C. Thomas 1990. Selected by G. Bush Sr. They used an A. Hill as there victim and were rebuffed.

As I have stated before I suspect B. Kavanaugh will be confirmed and this stunt will help polarize Conservative voters in the mid-term elections.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 05, 2018, 02:45:33 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 05, 2018, 12:20:06 AM

Slavic Truth Bombs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEb10RiUhV4&feature=youtu.be) about "malignant feminism".

Interesting listen.

WRT Ronaldo, I do not know all the facts, but as I understand it, 9 years ago 'something' happened with a woman. As a result of that 'something' Ronaldo paid her almost $400k for her agreement to not pursue him over the matter. Now she is accusing him of rape.

My take is that, if we assume that some form of sexual activity occurred then the chances are that both agreed to it. Ronaldo is not known for being accused of rape. However, whatever happened, at the point where she asked for a pile of money and was given it, she gave her consent to whatever had happened. That's what the money was for. Ronaldo might not have agreed with her characterization of the event, but he chose to ensure that she agreed that it was not something about which she wanted to make a case. Her consent was purchased. I do not see how one can withdraw that consent simply because the payment has been spent and elementary school teachers don't earn much money.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 05, 2018, 12:51:41 PM

I really hope that McConnell has the stones to give Lisa Murkowski
what she deserves - removal as Chairman of the Energy & Natural
Resources Committee, removal from the Appropriations, Education
and Labor Committees and give her an appointment as the Republican
member of the Federal Parks Restroom Maintenance Subcommittee
in the Department of the Interior. You think that just because your
next election isn't until 2022 that you can snub your nose at party
leadership without consequences?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 05, 2018, 01:43:45 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 05, 2018, 12:51:41 PM

I really hope that McConnell has the stones to give Lisa Murkowski
what she deserves - removal as Chairman of the Energy & Natural
Resources Committee, removal from the Appropriations, Education
and Labor Committees and give her an appointment as the Republican
member of the Federal Parks Restroom Maintenance Subcommittee
in the Department of the Interior. You think that just because your
next election isn't until 2022 that you can snub your nose at party
leadership without consequences?

Totally agree

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 05, 2018, 02:05:27 PM

Everyone should listed to the ENTIRE 47 minute speech Senator
Susan Collins made today on the floor of the US Senate.

She absolutely NAILED it!

I'll post a link later.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 05, 2018, 03:14:54 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 05, 2018, 02:05:27 PM

Everyone should listed to the ENTIRE 47 minute speech Senator
Susan Collins made today on the floor of the US Senate.

She absolutely NAILED it!

I'll post a link later.

I listened to almost the entire speech and we agree, she 100% nailed it. She was very thorough in her analysis.

The Democrat from W. Virginia Joe Manchin has come out and stated he will also vote for Kavanaugh. :thumbsup:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/05/us/politics/brett-kavanaugh-vote-confirmed.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on October 05, 2018, 06:28:46 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 05, 2018, 02:45:33 AM

Interesting listen.

WRT Ronaldo, I do not know all the facts, but as I understand it, 9 years ago 'something' happened with a woman. As a result of that 'something' Ronaldo paid her almost $400k for her agreement to not pursue him over the matter. Now she is accusing him of rape.

My take is that, if we assume that some form of sexual activity occurred then the chances are that both agreed to it. Ronaldo is not known for being accused of rape. However, whatever happened, at the point where she asked for a pile of money and was given it, she gave her consent to whatever had happened. That's what the money was for. Ronaldo might not have agreed with her characterization of the event, but he chose to ensure that she agreed that it was not something about which she wanted to make a case. Her consent was purchased. I do not see how one can withdraw that consent simply because the payment has been spent and elementary school teachers don't earn much money.

This is happening a lot. The women get sometimes millions then live life as a millionaire for a number of years then violate the agreement. This is what also happened to Bill Cosby. Stormy Daniels is another example of this. Then our legal system seem to want to let the women keep the money even though they got it by scamming.

Wiz complained about a late night TV show having Stormy Daniels as being un educational. I think it was very educational lesson to some women wanting to learn how to get rich without going to school or learning any specials skills.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 05, 2018, 06:55:35 PM

More winning for President Trump and the American people. The new deal which President Trump negotiated with Mexico and Canada is already paying off with increased economic benefits for the American people.

Foreign car makers are considering moving more manufacturing to North America from their overseas plants following the recent U.S. trade deal with Canada and Mexico.

Within days of the U.S. and Canada reaching a pact to replace the roughly 25-year-old North American Free Trade Agreement, executives at several foreign car makers said they are considering changes to their supply chains that would shift more auto-parts manufacturing work to the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

“We will allocate more U.S. production for the U.S. market,” BMW AG CEO Harald Krüger told reporters at the Paris Motor Show this week. He said that the German car maker already sources many parts in the region, but the new trade pact will accelerate a shift in investment.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/auto-makers-consider-shifting-manufacturing-to-north-america/ar-BBNYtiB?li=BBnb7Kz

Mercedes breaks ground for new plant in Alabama.

https://www.al.com/business/index.ssf/2018/10/mercedes-benz_breaks_ground_on_1.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 06, 2018, 07:32:19 AM

New Witness Against Christine Ford: She Was Not A Victim, She Was A Party Animal, Heavy Drinker & “Fast”

DC McAllister
DC McAllister
@McAllisterDen
Christine Blasey Ford was a classmate of mine at UNC. We graduated in 1988. I want to ask Christine if she remembers partying at Trolls, drinking at He’s Not Here. Hooking up with guys at Henderson Street. Eating at Time Out. Remember those days, Christine? Tell us about them.

http://thewashingtonstandard.com/new-witness-against-christine-ford-she-was-not-a-victim-she-was-a-party-animal-heavy-drinker-fast/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 06, 2018, 08:00:52 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 06, 2018, 07:32:19 AM

New Witness Against Christine Ford: She Was Not A Victim, She Was A Party Animal, Heavy Drinker & “Fast”

DC McAllister
DC McAllister
@McAllisterDen
Christine Blasey Ford was a classmate of mine at UNC. We graduated in 1988. I want to ask Christine if she remembers partying at Trolls, drinking at He’s Not Here. Hooking up with guys at Henderson Street. Eating at Time Out. Remember those days, Christine? Tell us about them.

http://thewashingtonstandard.com/new-witness-against-christine-ford-she-was-not-a-victim-she-was-a-party-animal-heavy-drinker-fast/

I'm sure that Christine Ford is not at all like she was portrayed by the media, dems and liberal activists.
Republicans did about as much as possible to clear the path for Kavanaugh without victim shaming and committing political suicide.
Jeff Flake actually helped the Republicans chances in the midterm elections, and his spineless act could be deemed heroic.
The real victims were judge Kavanaugh and his family. Hopefully over time much of this nonsense will simmer down.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 06, 2018, 08:32:13 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 28, 2018, 04:49:24 PM

I have said it before and still think the same, the Democrats are shooting them selves in the foot with this stunt. In November there wins will be rapidly cooling hot air. I might be wrong but we will know in six weeks.

As from J. Flake, think he made a sensible proposal and I can respect that.

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 06, 2018, 08:00:52 AM

I'm sure that Christine Ford is not at all like she was portrayed by the media, dems and liberal activists.
Republicans did about as much as possible to clear the path for Kavanaugh without victim shaming and committing political suicide.
Jeff Flake actually helped the Republicans chances in the midterm elections, and his spineless act could be deemed heroic.
The real victims were judge Kavanaugh and his family. Hopefully over time much of this nonsense will simmer down.

Assuming another 'victim' does not step forward than Kavanaugh will be a Supreme Court justice within a week. While the timing of D. Fienstein was a clever play I suspect in the end it will cost the Democrats in November.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 06, 2018, 10:09:07 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 06, 2018, 08:32:13 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on September 28, 2018, 04:49:24 PM
I have said it before and still think the same, the Democrats are shooting them selves in the foot with this stunt. In November there wins will be rapidly cooling hot air. I might be wrong but we will know in six weeks.

As from J. Flake, think he made a sensible proposal and I can respect that.

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 06, 2018, 08:00:52 AM

I'm sure that Christine Ford is not at all like she was portrayed by the media, dems and liberal activists.
Republicans did about as much as possible to clear the path for Kavanaugh without victim shaming and committing political suicide.
Jeff Flake actually helped the Republicans chances in the midterm elections, and his spineless act could be deemed heroic.
The real victims were judge Kavanaugh and his family. Hopefully over time much of this nonsense will simmer down.

Assuming another 'victim' does not step forward than Kavanaugh will be a Supreme Court justice within a week. While the timing of D. Fienstein was a clever play I suspect in the end it will cost the Democrats in November.

Not surprising, but one of the Soros backed activists that cornered Jeff Flake in the elevator is an illegal immigrant.
As long as Kavanaugh gets on the supreme court no real damage done, but it's upsetting an illegal immigrant could have been influential in derailing a supreme court nomination.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 06, 2018, 05:02:22 PM

So Kavanaugh is confirmed to be a Supreme Court judge. The voting was a bit odd 48 negative to 50 approving.

The Senator from Alaska abstained and another Senator was walking his daughter down the aisle.

WARNING: Melting snow flakes for the next week. Perhaps having tissues might be handy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 07, 2018, 05:51:09 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 06, 2018, 05:02:22 PM

So Kavanaugh is confirmed to be a Supreme Court judge. The voting was a bit odd 48 negative to 50 approving.

The Senator from Alaska abstained and another Senator was walking his daughter down the aisle.

WARNING: Melting snow flakes for the next week. Perhaps having tissues might be handy.

The meltdown is already starting, several celebrities have tweeted their dissapointment about it.

They all seem to think brett cavanaugh = sex predator, despite not even having a small shred of evidence.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on October 07, 2018, 11:31:48 AM

Quote

“This was not the Brett Kavanaugh I thought I knew,” he wrote. “Having come so close to confirmation, Kavanaugh apparently cared more about his promotion than about preserving the dignity of the Supreme Court to which he aspired to join.”

“There will be hell to pay,” he warned.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/yale-law-school-dean-kavanaugh-robert-post_us_5bba10ece4b0876eda9eeae4

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 07, 2018, 11:54:12 AM

Quote from: dcguyusa on October 07, 2018, 11:31:48 AM

Quote
“This was not the Brett Kavanaugh I thought I knew,” he wrote. “Having come so close to confirmation, Kavanaugh apparently cared more about his promotion than about preserving the dignity of the Supreme Court to which he aspired to join.”

“There will be hell to pay,” he warned.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/yale-law-school-dean-kavanaugh-robert-post_us_5bba10ece4b0876eda9eeae4

More sour grapes. The lunatics in the (formerly) Democratic Party are talking about more investigations and attempts to impeach Kavanaugh.

The left-wing lunatics in the media will probably continue to stroke this divisive rhetoric. The media profits from exacerbating division but the American people do not.

If there are any leaders left in the DNC they need to tell the ~~protesters~~ screaming banshees to either go home or check into a psychiatric facility. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 07, 2018, 01:10:42 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 07, 2018, 11:54:12 AM

More sour grapes. The lunatics in the (formerly) Democratic Party are talking about more investigations and attempts to impeach Kavanaugh.

The left-wing lunatics in the media will probably continue to stroke this divisive rhetoric. The media profits from exacerbating division but the American people do not.

If there are any leaders left in the DNC they need to tell the ~~protesters~~ screaming banshees to either go home or check into a psychiatric facility. :coffeeread:

Curious has a Supreme Court justice ever been impeached?

I say let scream and bitch all they want, come November they can cry as much as a stalled hurricane.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 07, 2018, 03:54:23 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 07, 2018, 01:10:42 PM

Curious has a Supreme Court justice ever been impeached?

Samuel Chase in 1803. He was impeached by the House, but the Senate declined to convict him.

The Dems may have shot themselves in the foot. They have activated the GOP base, which tends to be quieter, but carries a big stick - they show up in off-year elections, and now they have a reason to, beause the Dems have shown their "crazy".

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 08, 2018, 03:48:51 AM

Quote from: Markje on October 07, 2018, 05:51:09 AM

The meltdown is already starting, several celebrities have tweeted their dissapointment about it.

They all seem to think brett cavanaugh = sex predator, despite not even having a small shred of evidence.

(https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/RedPDpFGM_b9jvVX2YjkCA--~A/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9ODAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-ca/homerun/cp.org/1ae35dff8f310937383c308bc7d1dfa1)

Guess we don't have to wait long to see how many US ladies 'agree' ... ( Mid terms)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 08, 2018, 10:21:57 AM

Quote from: msmoby on October 08, 2018, 03:48:51 AM

Quote from: Markje on October 07, 2018, 05:51:09 AM

The meltdown is already starting, several celebrities have tweeted their dissapointment about it.

They all seem to think brett cavanaugh = sex predator, despite not even having a small shred of evidence.

Guess we don't have to wait long to see how many US ladies 'agree' ... ( Mid terms)

What a silly post by such an annoying twit. If you’re ever falsely accused of something Moldy you’ll be damn glad there’s such a concept as “innocent until proven guilty”.

The kind of mass hysteria and a belief that every accuser is an angel without any ulterior motives reminds me of Stalin’s era when false accusers could send their neighbor to the gulag on a whim.

To say the burden of proof wasn’t met is an understatement: Ford perjured herself at least twice during her “testimony”. A former friend said she was a promiscuous girl who bragged about having 84 partners between High School and College.

Clearly if something had happened she should have reported it back when it happened.

Here’s more evidence of what’s coming if millennials ever get in power: Communism with all the ugliness and false charges, unlawful detainments and then...

Thank God Moby is nowhere near the levers of power in USA. :chuckle:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/36804/students-call-usc-professor-be-fired-saying-kassy-dillon?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=uschronicle

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 08, 2018, 10:29:48 AM

Ford not only had a chance to speak (contrary to the dishonest dumb cartoon above) she was treated with kid gloves. Since she may have lied to Congress as stated by Senator Grassley in a letter to her Lawyers, she should face what Kavanaugh faced, namely an FBI investigation.

”Once Kavanaugh is officially confirmed, perhaps there should be another investigation — an investigation into Christine Ford, her attorneys, and Senate Democrats. There is plenty of smoke to indicate that this was all a highly-coordinated political hit job. If it was — indeed, if there was any coordination at all, in any form — then this would be one of the great scandals in American political history.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailywire.com/news/36774/walsh-why-fbi-should-investigate-christine-ford-matt-walsh%3famp

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2018/10/05/this-sentence-from-grassleys-latest-letter-to-fords-attorneys-could-be-huge-development-n2525754

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/new-sworn-statement-alleges-ford-lied-under-oath-about-prepping-someone-for-a-polygraph%3f_amp=true

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 08, 2018, 10:42:37 AM

Whoops! Perjury count 1.

The full details of Dr. Ford’s polygraph are particularly important because the Senate Judiciary Committee has received a sworn statement from a longtime boyfriend of Dr. Ford’s stating that he personally witnessed Dr. Ford coaching a friend on polygraph examinations,” Grassley says in his request for the materials.

During her testimony before the committee last week, Ford said under oath that she had never given any tips or advice to anyone who was planning on taking or preparing for a polygraph test.

If Ford’s former boyfriend is telling the truth in his statement, which he submitted under penalty of felony, it could implicate her in perjury.

Grassley says it is not only concerning that Ford may have lied under oath, but also brings into question the reliability of the results of her polygraph.

WashingtonExaminer.com

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 08, 2018, 10:48:21 AM

Quote from: msmoby on October 08, 2018, 03:48:51 AM

Guess we don't have to wait long to see how many US ladies 'agree' ... ( Mid terms)

Moby, do you ever think?

Somewhere I posted a quote/post of yours regarding those who want to dictate opinions in other countries affairs. Take off your lace edged panties and please just stop.

As for the results of the Kavanaugh affair yes we will see the results. I suspect in November Trump will have a greater majority in both houses. I guess you will moan about some sort of voting anomaly.

For what it is worth Moby the only anomaly is your logic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 08, 2018, 11:02:01 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 08, 2018, 10:48:21 AM

Quote from: msmoby on October 08, 2018, 03:48:51 AM
Guess we don't have to wait long to see how many US ladies 'agree' ... ( Mid terms)

Moby, do you ever think?

Somewhere I posted a quote/post of yours regarding those who want to dictate opinions in other countries affairs. Take off your lace edged panties and please just stop.

As for the results of the Kavanaugh affair yes we will see the results. I suspect in November Trump will have a greater majority in both houses. I guess you can moan about some sort of voting anomaly.

For what it is worth Moby the only anomaly is your logic.

Republican women do vote and let me assure everyone they are fired up!

When talking about a man being falsely accused it not only affects the men who go thru this it affects their girlfriends, their wives, their sisters and their Moms.

These are rock solid good women and they all saw a thousand holes and misrepresentations about Fords accusations against Judge Kavanaugh.

The Trump base is fired up let’s see how it goes down. :whistle:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wral.com/republican-women-praise-kavanaugh-confirmation-call-sexual-assault-claims-outlandish-/17899795/%3fversion=amp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 08, 2018, 11:39:53 AM

Quote from: msmoby on October 08, 2018, 03:48:51 AM

Quote from: Markje on October 07, 2018, 05:51:09 AM

The meltdown is already starting, several celebrities have tweeted their dissapointment about it.

They all seem to think brett cavanaugh = sex predator, despite not even having a small shred of evidence.

Guess we don't have to wait long to see how many US ladies 'agree' ... ( Mid terms)

You should be glad cavanaugh was appointed. You are usually vehement about due process and procedures.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 08, 2018, 12:20:52 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 08, 2018, 11:39:53 AM

Quote from: msmoby on October 08, 2018, 03:48:51 AM
Quote from: Markje on October 07, 2018, 05:51:09 AM

The meltdown is already starting, several celebrities have tweeted their dissapointment about it.

They all seem to think brett cavanaugh = sex predator, despite not even having a small shred of evidence.

Guess we don't have to wait long to see how many US ladies 'agree' ... ( Mid terms)

You should be glad Kavanaugh was appointed. You are usually vehement about due process and procedures.

Only when it suits his purposes. Like all "liberals" the ends justify the means for those of questionable moral character.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 08, 2018, 01:14:08 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 08, 2018, 12:20:52 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 08, 2018, 11:39:53 AM
Quote from: msmoby on October 08, 2018, 03:48:51 AM
Quote from: Markje on October 07, 2018, 05:51:09 AM

The meltdown is already starting, several celebrities have tweeted their dissapointment about it.

They all seem to think brett cavanaugh = sex predator, despite not even having a small shred of evidence.

Guess we don't have to wait long to see how many US ladies 'agree' ... ( Mid terms)

You should be glad Kavanaugh was appointed. You are usually vehement about due process and procedures.

Only when it suits his purposes. Like all "liberals" the ends justify the means for those of questionable moral character.

Informative video on the university where Christine Ford works.
I've little doubt that this was planned out long before she penned the letter to Feinstein.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 08, 2018, 01:29:51 PM

Quote from: Confederate on September 29, 2018, 09:26:21 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on September 29, 2018, 05:42:11 PM
My thoughts are that ms, Ford may have gotten some enhanced memory therapy, and for her the event became real. Could also explain why No one else can recall that specific incident

Interesting video on memory manipulation

If anyone should be investigated by the FBI it should be her. Waiting 36 years to make an allegation is highly suspect to begin with. Timing it to coincide with the possible confirmation of a Judge which she vehemently opposes due to her personal politics makes her bogus allegation even more suspect. There’s no doubt her memory has been manipulated.

What are the odds that Christine Ford wrote a paper on hypnosis and memory manipulation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 08, 2018, 03:02:26 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 08, 2018, 11:39:53 AM

You should be glad cavanaugh was appointed. You are usually vehement about due process and procedures.

I haven't a clue if he is guilty or not and the remit the FBI had - they'd not be able to prove something from SO long ago

I don't like any 'democracy' where the leader can appoint Judges that share political viewpoints ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 08, 2018, 03:23:50 PM

Apparently, she first 'remembered' the name Kavanaugh when Romney was being tipped as a Republican presidential candidate in 2012. Had he won, Romney had been expected to nominate Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. It was at that time Ford got Kavanaugh'a name in her psychiatrist/therapist's notes. The recent events have been a long time in coming. Ford had been weaponised 6 years ago. She was a sleeper agent created for this purpose.

This idea makes me wonder how many more sleepers are out there awaiting their call to action.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on October 08, 2018, 07:01:57 PM

Moldy gettin' chewed up as usual :laugh:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 09, 2018, 01:30:32 PM

Bill and Hillary Clinton plan to make a "stadium tour" together in late November.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/36875/get-your-tickets-bill-hillary-clinton-launch-emily-zanotti

You know Trump still has his rallies. Here is one in Evansville Indiana Aug. 31, 2018
where the turnout was 11,500 people, with another 2,000 unable to get in.
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2018/09/01/PEVC/e7370e15-fd61-4daa-9b96-9f4d3775b897-8_INSIDE_TRUMP.jpg?width=534&height=401&fit=bounds&auto=webp)

Trump held this rally where they are having a Senate race and the Democrats think that
their boy Joe Donnelly is going to win in a state where Trump won by 19 points.

Back to the original story Bill and Hillary are going on a Stadium tour. Who thinks that
Bill (don't talk to me about #me too) and Hillary (don't talk to me at all) can fill a stadium?

(https://preview.redd.it/u4m32ca3l8px.png?width=960&crop=smart&s=10d730f11b43447e5dd4a5ddd46d07674eae1901)

Hillary's campaign tour. She gets less than 40 people to show up while she was running
for president.
(https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_20/1540046/160517-clinton_roundtable-1038_e40ad517ddead91f83866db36d08d4a6.nbcnews-ux-2880-1000.jpg)

Did I forget to mention that Bill and Hillary are asking for minimum of $70 per ticket
up to $745.50? Those guys won't be selling out a hotel room. What are Bill and Hillary
going to do with the proceeds of their ticket sales? You know they are going to keep
most if not all of it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 09, 2018, 01:55:30 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 09, 2018, 01:30:32 PM

Bill and Hillary Clinton plan to make a "stadium tour" together in late November.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/36875/get-your-tickets-bill-hillary-clinton-launch-emily-zanotti

You know Trump still has his rallies. Here is one in Evansville Indiana Aug. 31, 2018
where the turnout was 11,500 people, with another 2,000 unable to get in.
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2018/09/01/PEVC/e7370e15-fd61-4daa-9b96-9f4d3775b897-8_INSIDE_TRUMP.jpg?width=534&height=401&fit=bounds&auto=webp)

Trump held this rally where they are having a Senate race and the Democrats think that
their boy Joe Donnelly is going to win in a state where Trump won by 19 points.

Back to the original story Bill and Hillary are going on a Stadium tour. Who thinks that
Bill (don't talk to me about #me too) and Hillary (don't talk to me at all) can fill a stadium?

(https://preview.redd.it/u4m32ca3l8px.png?width=960&crop=smart&s=10d730f11b43447e5dd4a5ddd46d07674eae1901)

Hillary's campaign tour. She gets less than 40 people to show up while she was running
for president.
(https://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_20/1540046/160517-clinton_roundtable-1038_e40ad517ddead91f83866db36d08d4a6.nbcnews-ux-2880-1000.jpg)

Did I forget to mention that Bill and Hillary are asking for minimum of $70 per ticket
up to $745.50? Those guys won't be selling out a hotel room. What are Bill and Hillary
going to do with the proceeds of their ticket sales? You know they are going to keep
most if not all of it.

Who? Who are you talking about?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 11, 2018, 06:52:43 PM

Today Kanye West along with Jim Brown met with President Trump in the Oval office. The meeting might have been a bit over the top, but this could play a key role in the coming midterm elections.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 11, 2018, 10:16:25 PM

HRC has designson a comeback. Mark my words.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 11, 2018, 11:02:28 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 11, 2018, 10:16:25 PM

HRC has designs on a comeback. Mark my words.

B/B

So what! The DNC isn’t going to be stupid enough to back her this time!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 12, 2018, 02:03:47 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 11, 2018, 10:16:25 PM

HRC has designson a comeback. Mark my words.

B/B

I have no doubt of it, however I think that she will use a flesh puppet called Chelsea.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on October 12, 2018, 06:37:56 AM

I think the Clintons are history in US politics. Hillary lost just because she was stupid and I think the Dems know it. She had every advantage and her Husband was trying to tell her what she was doing wrong. She just would not listen. Bidden has a real chance even if he is really too old. I would not be surprised if some radical dark horse comes out of the wood work hell bent on destroying the country and gets elected. Maybe some Sander type or worse. I think two years from now the economy will have crashed and Trump will get the blame.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 12, 2018, 09:48:18 AM

Unrelenting Promise Keeping of President Trump.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 13, 2018, 11:50:21 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 12, 2018, 09:48:18 AM

Unrelenting Promise Keeping of President Trump.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping

Confederation...... aren't you bored dealing with this asshole?

Get out and chase some skirt......with big assets that you like. :P

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 13, 2018, 04:28:26 PM

Quote from: Wiz on October 13, 2018, 11:50:21 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 12, 2018, 09:48:18 AM
Unrelenting Promise Keeping of President Trump.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping

Confederation...... aren't you bored dealing with this asshole?

Get out and chase some skirt......with big assets that you like. :P

:ROFL: :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 13, 2018, 11:35:48 PM

Quote from: Wiz on October 13, 2018, 11:50:21 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 12, 2018, 09:48:18 AM
Unrelenting Promise Keeping of President Trump.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping

Confederation...... aren't you bored dealing with this asshole?

Get out and chase some skirt......with big assets that you like. :P

Just so our cousins across the pond who love to disparage the USA and Commander in Chief and President Trump are not shocked by the prevailing sentiment in America - news flash you do not have to be a perfect person to be a perfect Patriot and one thing that Trump is - is a perfect Patriot just ask the DoD and MIC, LEOs and Veterans.

His support among the Silent Majority - too busy actually rebuilding the USA - is in fact overwhelming.

The blue wave of the Globalists media traitors imagination is now slowed to a trickle and the GOP base and independents are energized like never before. Trump's approval ratings are actually far greater than being reported by the lying media traitors.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 14, 2018, 03:39:24 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 13, 2018, 11:35:48 PM

Quote from: Wiz on October 13, 2018, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 12, 2018, 09:48:18 AM
Unrelenting Promise Keeping of President Trump.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping

Confederation...... aren't you bored dealing with this asshole?

Get out and chase some skirt......with big assets that you like. :P

Just so our cousins across the pond who love to disparage the USA and Commander in Chief and President Trump are not shocked by the prevailing sentiment in America - news flash you do not have to be a perfect person to be a perfect Patriot and one thing that Trump is - is a perfect Patriot just ask the DoD and MIC, LEOs and Veterans.

His support among the Silent Majority - too busy actually rebuilding the USA - is in fact overwhelming.

The blue wave of the Globalists media traitors imagination is now slowed to a trickle and the GOP base and independents are energized like never before. Trump's approval ratings are actually far greater than being reported by the lying media traitors.

And who give's a shite what is his popularity and what the Mafia representative US president is talking about. Bloody boring stuff coming out daily.......

I suggested to Confed..... to get out for some fresh air..... and to search for some big assets. It will make a big change to his life........

You of course can continue spewing out your propaganda. and continue reading your long copy and paste articles....... obviously a pro Trump Troll!

;D

:P

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 14, 2018, 08:11:58 AM

Quote from: Wiz on October 14, 2018, 03:39:24 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 13, 2018, 11:35:48 PM
Quote from: Wiz on October 13, 2018, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 12, 2018, 09:48:18 AM
Unrelenting Promise Keeping of President Trump.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping

Confederation...... aren't you bored dealing with this asshole?

Get out and chase some skirt......with big assets that you like. :P

Just so our cousins across the pond who love to disparage the USA and Commander in Chief and President Trump are not shocked by the prevailing sentiment in America - news flash you do not have to be a perfect person to be a perfect Patriot and one thing that Trump is - is a perfect Patriot just ask the DoD and MIC, LEOs and Veterans.

His support among the Silent Majority - too busy actually rebuilding the USA - is in fact overwhelming.

The blue wave of the Globalists media traitors imagination is now slowed to a trickle and the GOP base and independents are energized like never before. Trump's approval ratings are actually far greater than being reported by the lying media traitors.

And who give's a shite what is his popularity and what the Mafia representative US president is talking about. Bloody boring stuff coming out daily.......

I suggested to Confed..... to get out for some fresh air..... and to search for some big assets. It will make a big change to his life........

You of course can continue spewing out your propaganda. and continue reading your long copy and paste articles....... obviously a pro Trump ~~Troll~~! PATRIOT! :biggrin:

;D

:P

What a low class piece of Wiz you are - clearly an Antifa Thug mindset - go Avatar yourself and do yourself a favor stay on your island asylum.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 14, 2018, 09:10:16 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 14, 2018, 08:11:58 AM

Quote from: Wiz on October 14, 2018, 03:39:24 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on October 13, 2018, 11:35:48 PM
Quote from: Wiz on October 13, 2018, 11:50:21 AM
Quote from: Confederate on October 12, 2018, 09:48:18 AM
Unrelenting Promise Keeping of President Trump.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping

Confederation...... aren't you bored dealing with this asshole?

Get out and chase some skirt......with big assets that you like. :P

Just so our cousins across the pond who love to disparage the USA and Commander in Chief and President Trump are not shocked by the prevailing sentiment in America - news flash you do not have to be a perfect person to be a perfect Patriot and one thing that Trump is - is a perfect Patriot just ask the DoD and MIC, LEOs and Veterans.

His support among the Silent Majority - too busy actually rebuilding the USA - is in fact overwhelming.

The blue wave of the Globalists media traitors imagination is now slowed to a trickle and the GOP base and independents are energized like never before. Trump's approval ratings are actually far greater than being reported by the lying media traitors.

And who give's a shite what is his popularity and what the Mafia representative US president is talking about. Bloody boring stuff coming out daily.......

I suggested to Confed..... to get out for some fresh air..... and to search for some big assets. It will make a big change to his life........

You of course can continue spewing out your propaganda. and continue reading your long copy and paste articles....... obviously a pro Trump ~~Troll~~! PATRIOT! :biggrin:

;D

:P

What a low class piece of Wiz you are - clearly an Antifa Thug mindset - go Avatar yourself and do yourself a favor stay on your island asylum.

:chuckle:

What’s ironic to me is that as Wiz wishes destruction on the US economy he seems oblivious that it will affect the UK as bad or worse.

Wiz I can make plans for the next romance and still post unlike you I’m not almost at an old folks home. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 14, 2018, 10:10:34 AM

CONFED

This message it's from my room in the old's people home where I am a resident...and the problem I have is this nurse who, when ever she visits me......is causing me trouble with my Blood Pressure......due to her attractive assets..... ;D :P

Both you and Cufflink missed the reason why I got so angry with the Anonymous troll AV.

Just because I queried Cufflinks mistake, not posting the link, he found the opportunity to accuse me for not respecting the rules about copyright any time I post. This little mouse on a daily basis he is looking for an opportunity to piss me off with his lies...... so whenever he does it again.... he will get it in the neck from me.

Well I am happy to debate with Cufflinks his posts but of course need to know the source, like everybody else over here too.

Sorry but right now... have to go for some shopping, and will be back sometime later.

Cufflink

I was not born in the UK... but in Greece and I have been living here since......1970. :nod:

Of course your current President is the Perfect Patriot as he tries and supports the Extremely large Defence industry, that is the Engine of your economy.

If he doesn't do that then many children in your country will go hungry!

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 14, 2018, 10:31:12 AM

Wiz, That I piss you off is not my problem. You have repeatedly demonstrated a challenge with the reality and anger issues via your posts. Perhaps even at your advanced age it might help if you sought therapy. If not that than perhaps a nice young lady or lad can arrange a happy ending? Just a thought. Av tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 14, 2018, 10:38:01 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 14, 2018, 10:31:12 AM

Wiz, That I piss you off is not my problem. You have repeatedly demonstrated a challenge with the reality and anger issues via your posts. Perhaps even at your advanced age it might help if you sought therapy. If not that than perhaps a nice young lady or lad can arrange a happy ending? Just a thought. Av tiphat

When you stop lying...then take a look at my avatar.... it's especially there for you!

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 14, 2018, 10:43:36 AM

Quote from: Wiz on October 14, 2018, 10:38:01 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 14, 2018, 10:31:12 AM
Wiz, That I piss you off is not my problem. You have repeatedly demonstrated a challenge with the reality and anger issues via your posts. Perhaps even at your advanced age it might help if you sought therapy. If not that than perhaps a nice young lady or lad can arrange a happy ending? Just a thought. Av tiphat

When you stop lying...then take a look at my avatar.... it's especially there for you!

Your avatar defines perfectly your intellect and ability to engage in meaningful discussion.

All I can say is FOAD to you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 15, 2018, 09:27:55 AM

Oooh the irony Wiz, the constant pilferer of other's scribes and images v AvHdB who suggest folks 'fib' ( and '"everyone' knows it") but fails to provide ANY evidence to the contrary ..

Great entertainment value

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 15, 2018, 12:36:30 PM

A Stanford scientist has analysed DNA testing for 2020 Presidential candidate
Elizabeth Warren and has determined “strong evidence” that Warren’s DNA sample
reveals a Native American in her family tree “six to 10 generations ago.”

Should that 1/32 or 1/64th have allowed her to list herself as a "minority" in the
Association of American Law School Directory and both Penn and Harvard Law
Schools indicating that she was a "native american" in their publicity statements?
Most rational people will answer this questions "NO".

The nickname "Pocahontas" stands. LOL!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 15, 2018, 01:38:52 PM

The Trump effect is spreading, watch senator Bill Cassidy handle a couple protesters. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 15, 2018, 03:20:00 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 15, 2018, 12:36:30 PM

The nickname "Pocahontas" stands. LOL!

She should run for president on this platform: "Elizabeth Warren: 1/2020th" ;)

I want her to win the D-nomination, so that Trump can crush her and all the Dreamz of the SJW Left.

B/B

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 15, 2018, 03:35:32 PM

Why Is Warren Rehashing the 'Deeply Stupid' Debate Over Her Ancestry?
"The reason why Warren's team thought this DNA test was a good idea is
because her team are a bunch of over-educated liberals who fetishize
minority status and think having *any* percentage of Native blood
is some sort of divine mark."

(https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.q6vZxcsJEeHJlt8Mq_UragHaEK&w=263&h=160&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7)

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/9k7vy3/why-is-warren-rehashing-the-deeply-stupid-debate-over-her-ancestry

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 15, 2018, 03:41:51 PM

Quote from: B.B. on October 15, 2018, 03:20:00 PM

She should run for president on this platform: "Elizabeth Warren: 1/2020th" ;)

I want her to win the D-nomination, so that Trump can crush her and all the Dreamz of the SJW Left.

B/B

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DplFv2CV4AAcvIm.jpg:large)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 15, 2018, 05:46:13 PM

And its official,

Stormy Daniels case has been squashed, total victory for Trump.

The leftist crying continues.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 15, 2018, 09:12:16 PM

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/fc2fdbe065b5738ffcc74233265bafa3/tumblr_pg6zw9yBtZ1w84zxw_500.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 15, 2018, 09:13:36 PM

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/aab211c28f30bb84309c3f73e54d2a3f/tumblr_pgo6n49XUh1u1w3aqo1_1280.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 15, 2018, 09:25:46 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 15, 2018, 09:12:16 PM

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/fc2fdbe065b5738ffcc74233265bafa3/tumblr_pg6zw9yBtZ1w84zxw_500.jpg)

:ROFL: tiphat :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 15, 2018, 09:45:43 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 15, 2018, 05:46:13 PM

And its official,

Stormy Daniels case has been squashed, total victory for Trump.

The leftist crying continues.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 15, 2018, 09:46:28 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 15, 2018, 09:13:36 PM

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/aab211c28f30bb84309c3f73e54d2a3f/tumblr_pgo6n49XUh1u1w3aqo1_1280.jpg)

:laugh: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 15, 2018, 10:05:30 PM

Dr. Mark Skidmore - $21 Trillion “Missing” Money Huge Implications for Dollar

Could it be the Space Force and Spacecraft Carriers have already been built and are operational?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 15, 2018, 10:12:48 PM

(https://i.imgflip.com/2gsf05.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 16, 2018, 12:08:34 PM

From another Trump Patriots forum:

"I now condemn all the hatred and vitriol you misogynistic, racist bigots are spewing.
You basement dwelling, bitter losers should feel ashamed for gleefully treating this great American heroine in such a ghastly and wicked way.

You should all feel ashamed by your disappointing and short sighted behavior.

Because in fact, this day should go down in American history as a day of celebration, a worthy occasion to rejoice and revel in the glory of the American spirit.

And here's why:

Thanks to the brave 0.098% (less than the average White American) Cherokee leader Elizabeth Warren, we have now discovered that almost all White Americans qualify for affirmative action as Native Americans.

We can only congratulate the Democrats for embracing this shocking truth and bravely making it a central issue of their campaign by supporting Senator Warren.

In the meantime, I hope that our White forum members will continue to participate in the Trump thread, and not focus all their energy on building a casino in their backyard.

Truly the best timeline!"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 16, 2018, 12:39:01 PM

On a Trump Patriots America First Positive Note:

I just donated $10 the cost of a good cigar to kick in the 4X contribution multiplier below... When I clicked the $10 donate button it took me here: https://secure.gop.com/final-fec-deadline-triple-match?amount=10

I was not a big fan of donating to the GOP vs Trump Campaign however since CiC Trump gave them all a stainless steel spine transplant and the recalcitrant Neocons and Globalists GOPers now realize that the patriotic Trump America First Nationalist Populist Agenda is a solid recipe for Victory across the Patriotic turf of the USA - plus the GOP finally showed some solid testicular and even vaginal fortitude and pushed through the Kavanaugh confirmation - an enormous win for solidifying and continuing to implement the Trump Patriots America First Agenda good on the GOP - $10 may not be much but Trump's network is supplying a 4X multiplier to support key GOP Senate and House candidates to midterms Victory!

Authorized By Trump Headquarters

From: Donald J. Trump <contact@campaigns.rnchq.com>

Cufflinks,

The FEC set the FINAL general election reporting DEADLINE of the 2018 elections.

General Election Report Notice Federal Election Commission reporting period 1

I expect the Democrats to post big numbers on their report thanks to their Hollywood millionaire donors.

But our report will show how much we’ve raised from hardworking patriots like YOU.

And to amplify YOUR voice, your contribution will be TRIPLE-MATCHED. No one will drown you out.

Please make a contribution of $5 = $20 before the final FEC reporting deadline to help Republicans WIN the midterms.

CONTRIBUTE $20 = $80

CONTRIBUTE $15 = $60

CONTRIBUTE $10 = $40

CONTRIBUTE $5 = $20

CONTRIBUTE OTHER AMOUNT

Thank you,

President Trump
Donald J. Trump
President of the United States

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 19, 2018, 08:25:04 AM

There appears to be a momentous Patriots backlash mounting subsequent to the Mid Terms - reports of 50,000+ sealed indictments against the Traitors once the midterms are over and many more Trumpian Wins are logged. Then Commander in Chief Trump can appoint a loyal NON-Globocucked NeoCon Attorney General to really douche out and acid wash the DoJ and FBI lead in large part by the DoD Military Patriots per Dr. Dave Janda's Operation Freedom:

There is a reason Lindsey Graham closely questioned Justice Kavanaugh during his confirmation hearings about the status of America being in a long and legally defined State of War and the Laws regarding Presidential War Powers and Military Tribunals.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 20, 2018, 11:30:57 AM

President Trump continues to bring in huge numbers of people to campaign events..
If this is any indication of Republican voters support in the midterm election the democrats will be hard pressed to gain any any seats.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-to-campaign-for-cruz-in-texas-77k-sign-up-for-venue-that-fits-18k

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 20, 2018, 09:28:15 PM

Video surfaces of people getting paid to join the caravan.
The republicans hopefully will capitalize on the latest liberal stunt.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 21, 2018, 04:22:12 AM

The future of war
UAE hires U.S. mercenaries to
assassinate political leaders

After the latest development from Saudi Arabia and the killing of the Dissident Khashoggi.......in Istanbul here is something interesting to watch. You may find it interesting!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhgOBPQvh9Y

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on October 21, 2018, 10:37:45 AM

The #MeToo Game! http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/the-metoo-game-t20338.html (http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/the-metoo-game-t20338.html)

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/MeToo_Game.jpg)

Everyone in America is playing...
The #MeToo Game!

You've been sexually harassed or assaulted. You are humiliated and upset. It's time to roll the dice!

The goal of the game is to get justice. The path to justice can be treacherous, though. You’ll need your instinct, guts, and some luck to get there.

To play: Each player chooses one of the “disgraced woman” game pieces and draws a card from the Perp Deck. This card goes face up in front of you while you are playing - this is your criminal. Now it’s time to get to work - try to move your game piece to Justice! Each player rolls the die to determine more about their perp and what path they’ll be taking to get to Justice.

If you roll a 1 or a 2: congratulations! Your Perp is a conservative. You will get full media and political support! Celebrities and news anchors will hang on your every word. Twitter and Facebook will support and help you with righteous outrage. You could actually make things up and no one will ever verify it or care. You will definitely get to Justice. Your goal is now to maximize the amount of payout and perks you’ll get along the way. Can you parlay this into a political career or maybe have a law named after you?

If you roll a 3 or 4: bad luck, your Perp is a liberal. While you can reach Justice, it won’t be easy and there will be difficult choices to make along the way. Will the media try to destroy you or your family? Will you be threatened or lose your job? Hopefully you’ll keep your sanity and your dignity through the long ordeal – don’t give up!

If you roll a 5 or 6: unfortunately, your Perp is either a Muslim grooming gang or a Kennedy. You will never achieve Justice and you automatically lose. Better luck next time.

Play again and again, there are endless possibilities!

Ages 18+
Up to 4 players

Imperatorskiy Pingvin

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/images/avatars/Pingvin.png)

Comrade, if I be so bold as to make a suggestion:

If you roll a five, your criminal is a Muslim grooming gang, or any Muslim, period. You're branded an Islamophobe, drummed out of polite society, and eventually killed by unidentified "youths".
If you roll a six, your criminal is a Kennedy or a Clinton. If a Kennedy, social ostracization. If a Clinton, you die in mysterious circumstances.

Red Square

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/images/avatars/Cube_Hand.gif)

This most equal idea deserves to be on the Mother Page.

(http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/45380)

A special Middle East edition of the #MeToo game comes with the dice that always roll a six. These poor women keep playing in the hope they can be sexually assaulted by an American conservative or at least a liberal, but all they get is Muslim grooming gangs. That's why we never hear from any of the Middle Eastern #MeToo players.

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/various_uploads/Dice_6.jpg)

American liberal women, on the other hand, get to play with the dice that always rolls "snake eyes." And they think they have problems!

(http://thepeoplescube.com/red/images/clipart/culture/PeoplesDice.gif)

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Dice_Prog_Cons_Gaming_Rules.jpg)

...to the 2008 contest for presidency between Obama and Hillary, who lost to Obama and wrote a bestselling book titled "Shit Happened."

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/various_uploads/Vegas_Dice_Obama_Hillary_400.jpg)

Genosse Dummkopf

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/Avatars/159739_1461054434.jpg)

And all the recent Nobel Prizes in Sciences went to penis carriers*!. Oh, wait - some gal, or two, shrieked #MeToo! (huh?).

* harshly interrogated, the befuddled professors didn't abstain from their gender-hallucinations, stubbornly claiming to be "men", while not explaining what exactly is that supposed to mean.

(... and as that penis shock slowly dissipates, you realize... whites! penis or not penis, all whites! plus an obligatory Nihonjin, of course - each year, always a Nihonjin, incurable Ryugu phantasts.)

Evil Smiley

(http://static.thepeoplescube.com/Avatars/3487.jpg)

Is the irony lost on everyone that to read #MeToo would read like, "Pound Me Too!"?

(https://i.imgur.com/miZRMO9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/znkMeYg.gif)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 21, 2018, 10:51:26 AM

Funny stuff 2 Many ? - But under the humour there is quite a bit of truth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 21, 2018, 02:05:53 PM

After the mid terms the Trumpian Thor slam hammer will begin to fall upon the Globalist traitors in the new scrubbed DoJ to the tune of 40,000 to 51,000 sealed indictments being unsealed and prosecuted...

Think Military Tribunals:

USAwatchdog.com...

Dr. Dave Janda Operation Freedom

and;

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 22, 2018, 12:16:53 PM

This "refugee caravan" is starting to concern me.

US law clearly prohibits use of federalized military within our territorial borders.
The act in question is the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. However, there is precedent
for the President to use the military to enforce federal law, e.g., President Eisenhower
federalizing the AR National Guard AND using the 101st Airborne to confront Governor
Faubus and segregationist elements in the Little Rock High School incident.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 22, 2018, 12:35:00 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 22, 2018, 12:16:53 PM

This "refugee caravan" is starting to concern me.

Declare a state of emergency, pitch tents in the worst part of the Desert near
the border and have Joe Arpaio (he's out of work I hear) make a cozy little jail
for them. Put together a nice little court with temporary judges and deny their
applications if they have one and send them back.

It would be beyond funny if somehow hurricane Willa intersected that bunch.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 22, 2018, 01:29:08 PM

Holy :censored: Crap this looks like an invasion of over 100,000 military-aged Narco-Terrorists...

(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/10/migrant-caravan-1-640x480.png)

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/22/donald-trump-alerts-military-migrant-caravan-now-a-national-emergency/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 22, 2018, 01:58:51 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 22, 2018, 01:29:08 PM

Holy :censored: Crap this looks like an invasion of over 100,000 military-aged Narco-Terrorists...

Hey Cuffy, I've been doing some research. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
only covers the Army and Air Force. The Navy and USMC are not covered under
the prohibition.

I'd say the 1st Marine Division and the 768 SEALS of the 8 SEAL teams should be
able to handle the problem.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 22, 2018, 02:03:17 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 22, 2018, 01:58:51 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 22, 2018, 01:29:08 PM
Holy :censored: Crap this looks like an invasion of over 100,000 military-aged Narco-Terrorists...

Hey Cuffy, I've been doing some research. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
only covers the Army and Air Force. The Navy and USMC are not covered under
the prohibition.

I’d say the 1st Marine Division and the 768 SEALS of the 8 SEAL teams should be
able to handle the problem.

:party0031: :party0031: :party0011: :party0011: :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on October 22, 2018, 09:01:49 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 22, 2018, 01:29:08 PM

Holy :censored: Crap this looks like an invasion of over 100,000 military-aged Narco-Terrorists...

(https://media.breitbart.com/media/2018/10/migrant-caravan-1-640x480.png)

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/22/donald-trump-alerts-military-migrant-caravan-now-a-national-emergency/

These people are being organized by someone. Honduras tried to stop this. They took all the police they had in the capital city about 500 of them. Crime in the their capitol city, Tegucigalpa, went wild while the police were gone. Still the 500 policemen still was not enough police to stop this. They would of had to shoot people to stop this. They had no way they could arrest them and no jails to put them in. Notice no body seems to be without supplies during this long trip. No body is carrying a large bag of food and water neither. This is a political move by the Democrats to make something awful happen to get votes. Mostly there needs to be an investigation as who organized and is funding this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 23, 2018, 10:34:58 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 22, 2018, 01:58:51 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 22, 2018, 01:29:08 PM
Holy :censored: Crap this looks like an invasion of over 100,000 military-aged Narco-Terrorists...

Hey Cuffy, I've been doing some research. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878
only covers the Army and Air Force. The Navy and USMC are not covered under
the prohibition.

I'd say the 1st Marine Division and the 768 SEALS of the 8 SEAL teams should be
able to handle the problem.

Probably a very Good Start as everyone gets upset when I start saying use "Tactical or Navy Seal Backpack Nukes".

On a very serious note 70,000 Americans died of drugs overdoses on the streets last year - we invaded and took down 4 countries over 3,000 US Deaths on 9-11... yet media gloss over 70,000 deaths every year - where is the outrage... I maintain it is reverse racism because its mostly whites dying of heroin being grown in Mexico and trafficked via the Cartels using immigration lawyers to Bum Rush 10s or thousands of low IQ Mestizo and Indigenous no skilled labor that cannot survive without generous Obama era Gimme Dats Section 8 Housing, Wic, EBT, Medicaid, Obamaphones, Obama Cars and Trucks, Social Security Disability ad infinitum.

There are estimates of 80 Narco-Terrorists Gangs funded and supplied with Fentanyl and Carfentanyl from Communist China to kill off Americans of Military Age Controlling various turf in Mexico the most valuable being the trans-shipment routes from South America via Central America and Mexico which are under constant warfare among rival Narco-Terrorist gangs. Many of the cartels are former State Police and Military units that used the excuse that if they do not control the Narcotics Production and Trafficking they will be overrun by those who do. This is a raging out of control war against the USA being agitated by Communist Freaking Red China and supported by the UN Refugee Agency and the Soros funded NGOs spilling right across our borders.

The drugs gangs hide underaged teenage boys and girls as drugs mules in these caravans that will get juvenile court easy treatment often probation and they then go back to work for the Narco-Terrorists cells.

The Narco-Terrorists cartels tell the "refugees" that they will be welcomed with open arms in Amerika and Everything is Free in Rico Amerika, Knobs on the Doors in Amerika, Wall to Wall Floors in Amerika, toilets that flush in Amerika. Then charge them $7K each to be smuggled across in their drugs routes and tunnels and if they smuggle a backpack of Fentanyl cut Heroin and Cocaine across the border successfully they owe no human trafficking fee. Why Heroin - the plowed under their pot farms when organic Pot was legalized in the USA and started growing Opium poppies in the sunny fields of Mexico and it only costs $1,500 per kilo to produce heroin and they sell it in the USA for $50,000 per kilo - the largest margin profits in the history of the Drugs Cartels. The Chinese fentanyl just gets the Gringos and Negros hooked much faster.

Bottom line we need to wake the eff up and bring back all of our Mideast troops and liberate Latin America from the Chinese funded and agitated Narco-Terrorists Cartels and their invading drug mules Army to kill off Americans with Deadly Drugs so that the Chinese can take over with their Latin American slaves.

This is the most insidious war ever run for decades now against America - the Drugs Cartels control all Politicians with the Gold or Lead choices - support the Cartels and get paid, oppose the Cartels and get played as in DEAD.

Until we "Liberate" the Narco lands from the source, production to trans-shipment routes to border tunnels and crossings there will never be economic and democratic prosperity in the Americas. Only Narco rules under the Red Communist Chinese Empires wishes.

This will require the entire scope of the US Department of Defense to execute swiftly and in a timely fashion killing off the Drugs Lords and their minions as expeditiously as possible and re-establish the rule of law like we did with Imperial Japan, Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. Iraq and Afghanistan not so much, unless you factor in the Rule of Sharia Law.

Nuke them all and let Allah sort them out.

Like the Mexican Police in comedies say about; Badges? Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!!!

Posse Comitatus? We don't need no stinking PozziTattits!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 23, 2018, 11:52:47 AM

Interesting:

UNITS AND ACTIONS COVERED BY THE ACT
https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences-and-law/law/law/posse-comitatus-act

The PCA directly applies only to the army and air force, without mentioning the navy, the Marine Corps, the Coast Guard, or the National Guard. The National Guard is subject to Article I, section 8 of the Constitution, "To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions." The National Guard is under state control until called into federal service, and is authorized to enforce the laws upon the request of a governor.

Because the Coast Guard has a law enforcement function and is not under the control of the Department of Defense, it is not subject to the PCA. Although the naval service is not mentioned in the PCA, Department of Defense regulations exNavy the PCA to the navy and Marine Corps.
the
Although the president has constitutional power to use the military to protect the nation in time of emergency and to repel invasions, in the Civil Disturbance Statutes Congress expressly authorized the president to use the armed forces under emergency circumstances. Where there is an insurrection in a state against its government, the president may, in addition to calling out the militia, "use such of the armed forces as he considers necessary to suppress the insurrection." Also, the president may use the armed forces to suppress a rebellion, insurrection, domestic violence, or unlawful conspiracy that obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or deprives the people of the United States from their constitutional rights, privileges, and immunities. These statutes were relied on to authorize the use of federal troops to enforce federal court orders for school desegregation in Arkansas (1957), Mississippi (1962), and Alabama (1963), as well as to assist the National Guard in quelling urban riots.

Other statutory exceptions allow active use of the armed forces to remove persons wrongfully settling on Native American lands, and in emergency situations to actively enforce federal laws prohibiting the illegal possession and use of radioactive material. Other laws allow the president to direct the armed forces actively to enforce specific federal laws.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on October 23, 2018, 08:26:48 PM

I understand that there is already anew group forming to follow this one. I am not totaled convinced but today I heard Venezuela might be involved. We will just have to wait because it is too big of a problem not to be investigated.

I am not serious here just a funny thought. Take all these immigrates to San Francisco and let this city protect them. Then bring the next load until the get the educated. I wonder how many loads of people it would take?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 23, 2018, 08:53:10 PM

More winning? Leave it to Trump to tell the Saudi's to turn up the oil production as an apology for the mess they created in Turkey with the murder of that journalist.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/oil-plunges-as-saudis-vow-to-produce-as-much-as-they-can/ar-BBOLpQd?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 24, 2018, 10:12:33 AM

Wouldn't want to be a liberal, former President Obama, Hillary Clinton George Soros, and John Brennan were all sent possible explosive devices intercepted before delivery.
Someone is taking the make America great again slogan seriously .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 24, 2018, 10:39:33 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 24, 2018, 10:12:33 AM

Wouldn't want to be a liberal, former President Obama, Hillary Clinton George Soros, and John Brennan were all sent possible explosive devices intercepted before delivery. Someone is taking the make America great again slogan seriously .

Even joking about such crazy actions is totally inappropriate!

I think it goes without saying that I'm opposed to all whack-job behavior;
whether it is whack jobs sending bombs to political figures or whack jobs
shooting Congressmen on a baseball field. Just stop it dammit!

I hope they catch the fuktards responsible for this and send them to
prison for a 100 years!

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 24, 2018, 02:17:14 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2018, 10:39:33 AM

I hope they catch the fuktards responsible for this and send them to
prison for a 100 years!

We must protect these Democrats from fuktard's. With Democrats under siege,
Democrats under assault like this, it would only be responsible and compassionate
to vote them out of office and remove them from the public sphere. I think that's the
least we could do to protect them from the stupid fooker's.

Seriously,

The fuktard's sent bombs to the Clintons?

I am the most skeptical guy in the world when it comes to them.
Did anybody notice that none of the bombs actually went off?
If one of the bombs went off OR if the Clintons didn't get one
then I would be shaming the fuktard's as well.

The Clintons aren't on anybody's radar but their own. They are
hoping to have a stadium show tour after the election and they
might be doing it alone, but now they get bombed? Who were
they trying to get? The Bill and the Energizer bunny? or Hillary?
Because you know that they are never in their house at the same
time.

(http://granitegrok.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/NateBeeler-20141020-DemocratPanic.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 24, 2018, 02:55:07 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2018, 10:39:33 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 24, 2018, 10:12:33 AM
Wouldn't want to be a liberal, former President Obama, Hillary Clinton George Soros, and John Brennan were all sent possible explosive devices intercepted before delivery. Someone is taking the make America great again slogan seriously .

Even joking about such crazy actions is totally inappropriate!

I think it goes without saying that I'm opposed to all whack-job behavior;
whether it is whack jobs sending bombs to political figures or whack jobs
shooting Congressmen on a baseball field. Just stop it dammit!

I hope they catch the fuktards responsible for this and send them to
prison for a 100 years!

So here' what I wonder - were they "hoax" bombs? I mean, they were definitely intended to inspire terror, but does anyone who knows anything about bomb-making whiff on 5-6+ devices?

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on October 24, 2018, 03:30:54 PM

Putin did it

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on October 24, 2018, 03:36:21 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2018, 03:30:54 PM

Putin did it

No, If Putin would had it done it would been successful with out any leads.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on October 24, 2018, 05:26:24 PM

Quote

“the president of the United States says it’s okay to grab women by their private parts”,

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-flight-southwest-airlines-passenger-groping-new-mexico-texas-police-a8597311.html

This is the new normal. :evilgrin0002: (:) :loving: :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 24, 2018, 06:22:11 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2018, 10:39:33 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 24, 2018, 10:12:33 AM
Wouldn't want to be a liberal, former President Obama, Hillary Clinton George Soros, and John Brennan were all sent possible explosive devices intercepted before delivery. Someone is taking the make America great again slogan seriously .

Even joking about such crazy actions is totally inappropriate!

I think it goes without saying that I'm opposed to all whack-job behavior;
whether it is whack jobs sending bombs to political figures or whack jobs
shooting Congressmen on a baseball field. Just stop it dammit!

I hope they catch the fuktards responsible for this and send them to
prison for a 100 years!

100 years? Highly doubt if the law recommends 100 years. Furthermore I believe it’s a liberal stunt to make Republicans look bad.

But they should get close to guidelines, for example this criminal should have gotten about 9 years.

But I don’t recall you demanding that or even being upset, because you’re mostly RINO.

https://www.berkeleyside.com/2018/08/08/eric-clanton-takes-3-year-probation-deal-in-berkeley-rally-bike-lock-assault-case

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 24, 2018, 10:09:44 PM

The hoax bomber has been identified (https://www.theunitedwest.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Clock-boy.jpg).

:chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on October 25, 2018, 02:08:05 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 24, 2018, 10:39:33 AM

Even joking about such crazy actions is totally inappropriate!

Quite...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 25, 2018, 02:32:40 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 24, 2018, 10:09:44 PM

The hoax bomber has been identified (https://www.theunitedwest.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Clock-boy.jpg).

:chuckle:

B/B

Is that the stupid kid who put a digital alarm clock inside a tin box and scared his teachers while his delusional parents claimed he was a genius gadgeteer?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 25, 2018, 02:39:13 AM

Bb, agreed. Sending a bunch of 'bombs' to people whose mail is routinely security checked makes no sense. Compounded by the failure of all of them to function suggests a propaganda play by a group who had planned that the only noise made by the devices would be in the entertainment/news media.

Another October surprise along with the faked up invasions from Central America.

Question for the knowledgeable: who is/are the providers of logistic, financial, and technical support for both these surprises? (it's the Jews is not a viable response).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 25, 2018, 03:07:23 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 25, 2018, 02:39:13 AM

Question for the knowledgeable: who is/are the providers of logistic, financial, and technical support for both these surprises? (it's the Jews is not a viable response).

:ROFL: tiphat :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 25, 2018, 09:00:52 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 25, 2018, 02:39:13 AM

Bb, agreed. Sending a bunch of 'bombs' to people whose mail is routinely security checked makes no sense. Compounded by the failure of all of them to function suggests a propaganda play by a group who had planned that the only noise made by the devices would be in the entertainment/news media.

Total speculation here but I would imagine if a perpetrator isn't identified within
the next week, then the trail was covered by people with special professional
knowledge and would increase the chances of some kind of "false flag" situation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 25, 2018, 09:11:25 AM

Perhaps it is my perception, but have the last week or so of tweets from Trump become more 'presidential'?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2018, 09:26:46 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 25, 2018, 09:11:25 AM

Perhaps it is my perception, but have the last week or so of tweets from Trump become more 'presidential'?

Whoops! You just jinxed him.

Now the next few will be about “horse face”. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2018, 09:35:28 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 25, 2018, 02:39:13 AM

Bb, agreed. Sending a bunch of 'bombs' to people whose mail is routinely security checked makes no sense. Compounded by the failure of all of them to function suggests a propaganda play by a group who had planned that the only noise made by the devices would be in the entertainment/news media.

Another October surprise along with the faked up invasions from Central America.

Question for the knowledgeable: who is/are the providers of logistic, financial, and technical support for both these surprises? (it's the Jews is not a viable response).

Because Israeli’s never resort to dirty tricks? :-X

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/us/jcc-bomb-threats.amp.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 25, 2018, 10:14:00 AM

It’s a veritable ‘whodunnit’.

Just days before the midterms ????????????? Hmmmmmm.....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 25, 2018, 10:21:21 AM

New Brilliant Democrat Party Campaign Ad to reinvigorate the Blue Tidal Wave:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 25, 2018, 10:31:44 AM

Obvious hoax.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 25, 2018, 10:37:04 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 25, 2018, 10:21:21 AM

New Brilliant Democrat Party Campaign Ad to reinvigorate the Blue Tidal Wave:

:thumbsup: spot on!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 25, 2018, 11:51:52 AM

More proof of the coming Blue Tidal Wave:

(http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1540482239643.png)

Ooops that is only in Nevada...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on October 25, 2018, 11:58:24 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 25, 2018, 02:32:40 AM

Quote from: B.B. on October 24, 2018, 10:09:44 PM
The hoax bomber has been identified (https://www.theunitedwest.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Clock-boy.jpg).

:chuckle:

B/B

Is that the stupid kid who put a digital alarm clock inside a tin box and scared his teachers while his delusional parents claimed he was a genius gadgeteer?

Correct.

Quote from: andrewfi on October 25, 2018, 02:39:13 AM

Bb, agreed. Sending a bunch of 'bombs' to people whose mail is routinely security checked makes no sense. Compounded by the failure of all of them to function suggests a propaganda play by a group who had planned that the only noise made by the devices would be in the entertainment/news media.

Another October surprise along with the faked up invasions from Central America.

Question for the knowledgeable: who is/are the providers of logistic, financial, and technical support for both these surprises? (it's the Jews is not a viable response).

There is now word that the return address used belongs to Debbie Wasserman Schultz, former DNC Chair. While Debbie is kind of a moron, she's not likely to be the actual perp, and this lends further credence to the "hoax" idea.

The question is, who benefits? Is it intended to generate sympathy for the Dems prior to the mid-terms? Or expose them as fools after the inevitable freak-out over....nothing?

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 25, 2018, 12:31:27 PM

For Republican interests to be behind the hoax is, I think, unlikely. The chances of it being taken at face value are too high. On the other hand, all that Democrat interests need in order to succeed is that the hoax be taken, for a day or two, at face value.

If it takes a while to identify the culprits then it might be Republicans, if it takes a while it is likely Democrat.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 25, 2018, 04:22:16 PM

I'm Voting Democrat!

I'm voting Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know
that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.

I'm voting Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I
want. I've decided to marry my horse.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon
of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of
spending the money I earn than I would.

I'm voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Afganistan I trust that the bad guys will
stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday
CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

I'm voting Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies
so long as we keep all death row inmates alive.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits
for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for
redistribution as THEY see fit.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe liberal judges need to rewrite the Constitution every
few days to suit some fringe kooks who would NEVER get their agendas past the voters.

A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own'
- William F. Carling -

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 25, 2018, 06:13:54 PM

Quote from: Markje on October 24, 2018, 03:30:54 PM

Putin did it

I know you meant that as a joke but media idiot Chuck Todd thinks they
did.

Chuck Todd fears mail bombs may be 'some Russian operation' meant to divide U.S.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/25/chuck-todd-fears-mail-bombs-may-be-some-russian-op/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 25, 2018, 06:46:25 PM

The Clinton news network made it fairly obvious that this was all President Trumps doing. Two years of his dangerous incitement of his deplorable masses caused this.
Looks to be a hail Mary stunt to motivate the Democratic base.
Open borders and Obama care, and sanctuary cities ain't getting it done.

Title: Bomb Maker Arrested
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2018, 10:24:28 AM

Cesar Sayoc Jr. has been arrested as the bomb sender, in Plantation, Fl, he’s a previous resident of New York.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/cesar-sayoc/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 26, 2018, 12:12:44 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 26, 2018, 10:24:28 AM

Cesar Sayoc Jr. has been arrested as the bomb sender, in Plantation, Fl, he’s a previous resident of New York.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/cesar-sayoc/

The guy is a real nut job,. His van couldn't have been anymore obvious. Kinda screamed here I am come and take me away.
When dealing with the mentality unstable sorting out the facts will be challenging, and it's doubtful many will believe what's uncovered.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 26, 2018, 12:17:23 PM

The Real Foreign and Domestic Enemies:

The CFRCs have been funding the Clinton Democrat Peoples Crime Cartel since Bill Clinton gave Rocket Guidance and Propulsion technology to the CFRCs Communist Freaking Red Chinese to help his big contributor ((((Bernie Schwartz)))) put up a failed web of satellites to build his global failed SatPhone network ((((Google It)))).

Guess people thought better of microwaving their brains with powerful SatPhone handsets.

The Disturbing thing is that in the name of Progressives the Communist Party in America has achieved nearly 90% of their Agenda - whenever someone says they are a progressive or worse socialist just shout back that they are just a Communist Traitor:

45 Communist Goals From The Naked Communist: Exposing Communism and Restoring Freedom:

The Naked Communist Agenda 45 Goals List PDF:
http://www.restoring-america.com/Documents/THE%20NAKED%20COMMUNIST%20GOALS%20WITH%20NOTES.pdf

The Naked Communist Book:
https://wrathoftheawakenedsaxon.wordpress.com/2016/09/16/the-naked-communist-w-cleon-skousen-free-pdf-download/
https://wrathoftheawakenedsaxon.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/thenakedcommunist_bywcleonskousen.pdf

Peter Navarro's White Paper on the CFRC sustained systematic Red Communist subversion of the USA; How China’s Economic Aggression Threatens the Technologies and Intellectual Property of the United States and the World:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/FINAL-China-Technology-Report-6.18.18-PDF.pdf

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 26, 2018, 12:31:52 PM

EPIC 2018 Young Black Leadership Conference:

"What the Hell Do You Have to Lose?"

This is really EPIC - a month or so ago Reuters issued a Poll that President Trumps Approval Rating is now 38% among Black American and 51% among Latino Americans because of his America First Jobs and Economic Policies. If anywhere near these percentages turn out for the midterms not to mention 2020 then the Democrat Communist Marxist Peoples Party is the new Dinosaur extinct except for their hate and obstruction and BLM/Antifa/Soros funded crime and mayhem.

I bet if you asked a show of hands how many of these PATRIOTS had family members or who themselves served in uniform it would be the majority as apples rarely fall too far from their strong deeply rooted Patriotic family trees.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 26, 2018, 01:05:45 PM

US DOLLAR TALKING POINTS:

- It was another strong showing in US GDP, as this morning’s release showed a beat of the expectation as Q3 growth came in at 3.5% versus the expectation of 3.3%. The US Dollar has pulled back from the highs around that release, indicating that the move was more than priced-in ahead of 8:30. Given the Dollar’s strong topside breakout throughout this week, the big question is whether bulls show-up at higher-low support ahead of this week’s close, as we approach a really big week of data on next week’s economic calendar.
https://www.dailyfx.com/forex/fundamental/daily_briefing/session_briefing/daily_fundamentals/2018/10/26/us-dollar-price-pulls-back-from-chart-highs-gdp-beat-outlook-forecast-srepstans.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 26, 2018, 02:04:04 PM

Trump Entering the ASSASSINATION ZONE?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 26, 2018, 02:16:19 PM

Well apparently the "mad bomber" turned out to be a "Trumpster Whack Job."

Just what we needed before one of the most important elections in our time . . . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 26, 2018, 04:18:18 PM

Seemingly a nutter. Insanity does not have a particular political bent. But, yes, of course the internets will be filled with memes suggesting that ALL Republicans are the same as this mentally ill man. More divisions, greater breakdown of society, more unreasoning hate. The screw is turning.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on October 26, 2018, 05:34:30 PM

His vehicle was parked near an Auto Zone store. All of these DIY who repair their vehicles in parking lots are ALL nut jobs. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 26, 2018, 05:55:54 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on October 26, 2018, 05:34:30 PM

His vehicle was parked near an Auto Zone store. All of these DIY who repair their vehicles in parking lots are ALL nut jobs. :ROFL:

I suspect that he will claim that he was looking for a tool to tighten a loose wing nut.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 26, 2018, 07:34:23 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 26, 2018, 02:16:19 PM

Well apparently the "mad bomber" turned out to be a "Trumpster Whack Job."

Just what we needed before one of the most important elections in our time . . . . . . . . . .

Well of course it’s too bad it turned out to be a Trump supporter yet the reality which remains is that it’s Democrats and their supporters who are the violent wack jobs.

Whether it’s Antifa thugs committing domestic terrorism or Democrats committing mass shootings, for every “mad bomber” there’s 99 violent liberals. That the media doesn’t speak the truth or cover it is their problem.

This event will not stop the red wave, don’t worry about that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 27, 2018, 06:08:12 PM

The mockingbird media and Q , is an eye opener.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 28, 2018, 03:25:42 AM

It is ridiculous to make the kind of generalised claims bring made in US society right now. Not only are they demonstrably untrue, they serve only to increase divisions between members of society.

Sadly, but also true, it is exactly these types of divisions that Russian people have been accused of trying to create in the US. It is patently clear that you lot need no outside assistance when it comes to breaking down your society.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 28, 2018, 05:41:38 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 26, 2018, 02:04:04 PM

Trump Entering the ASSASSINATION ZONE?

https://youtu.be/FH5IxkTFM4Y

Thank you for posting the link.......

When I posted in the past similar articles I was called "Conspiracy theorist" and the Zionist Troll...... made these comments to divert attention.... and derail the conversation of this post:

http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,26144.msg455844/highlight,federal+reserve.html#msg455844

"While some may have simplistic views of the Federal Reserve Bank or FED it is an odd institution neither fully public or fully private. Sort of the proverbial neither fish or fowl. But its existence at least in theory is essential and the same holds true for other 'National' banks in different countries. There has been one version or another of a 'FED' for almost 200 years in America. With at times some rather disastrous breaks in between.

Have you Noticed how he justifies the day light robbery of the USA People by the Zionist Cabal of the Rothschild family?

If I am not mistaken I think Gypsy has said on RUA somewhere shut the entire bank down. "

Gypsy was bloody right with his comments.

Now Tom Cat joined you posting links to a video regarding the FED but when long time ago I posted a similar long post not many of you posted any replies.

Times change and the USA People, started reading and listening other sources and media apart from those controlled by those large Zionist Media Companies and started learning the truth.

Caffy president Trump has the support of the Mafia..... and he may achieve where other's failed and were killed.

My big surprise is that I expected Caffy to know all that.........and yes Caffy I believe that John Kennedy was assassinated by the banksters because he signed the Executive order 11110, allowing the USA Government to issue it's debt FREE own Currency.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2aFkGaKdEOg/hqdefault.jpg)

Click the image and read a year old article about the same subject:

(http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Deep-State-1.jpg) (http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/executive-order-11110-the-deep-state-warnings-of-jfk/)

PS: I am waiting to see when Putin will take action and Nationalise the Bank Of Russia.

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 28, 2018, 06:10:53 AM

An independent central bank is important in a relatively democratic society. If a central bank is nationalised it comes under the authority of the state and thus is at the whim of the political group heading the government. The inevitable result is that Bank policy then tends to reflect the current political views of the government of the day.

The system followed in the UK, and other countries, including Russia, makes sense. The government of the day can set targets for inflation or possibly exchange rate (although inflation and exchange rate are connected such that controlling both at the same time makes little sense), This means we get a longer term, more stable perspective than is likely from a bank that might find itself needing to recast its policies every few months as new governments win elections or new finance ministers are appointed.

An independent central bank is open to influence but not to control and that, in my opinion is pretty much as it should be. In Russia it is clear that the central bank works very closely with government and while one might argue with certain bank policies, in the longer term we can see that the heads of Russians central Bank have, on the whole followed sound policies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 28, 2018, 06:33:52 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 28, 2018, 06:10:53 AM

An independent central bank is important in a relatively democratic society. If a central bank is nationalised it comes under the authority of the state and thus is at the whim of the political group heading the government. The inevitable result is that Bank policy then tends to reflect the current political views of the government of the day.

The system followed in the UK, and other countries, including Russia, makes sense. The government of the day can set targets for inflation or possibly exchange rate (although inflation and exchange rate are connected such that controlling both at the same time makes little sense), This means we get a longer term, more stable perspective than is likely from a bank that might find itself needing to recast its policies every few months as new governments win elections or new finance ministers are appointed.

An independent central bank is open to influence but not to control and that, in my opinion is pretty much as it should be. In Russia it is clear that the central bank works very closely with government and while one might argue with certain bank policies, in the longer term we can see that the heads of Russians central Bank have, on the whole followed sound policies.

Succinctly explained. :thumbsup: As I understand the American system is not that different.

The RUA issue is some see a conspiracy in everything or some Jewish kabul of Zionist bankers. Such is life, as I have noted before the Federal Reserve is not a perfect organization. For what it is worth I would like to see a full audit of the FED. Senator R. Paul a true patriot in my estimation has been advocating this for a number of years.

Based on most of the politicians of recent time I certainly would NOT like to see the FED come under control of any of the branches of government.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 28, 2018, 06:45:21 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 28, 2018, 06:10:53 AM

An independent central bank is important in a relatively democratic society. If a central bank is nationalised it comes under the authority of the state and thus is at the whim of the political group heading the government. The inevitable result is that Bank policy then tends to reflect the current political views of the government of the day.

The system followed in the UK, and other countries, including Russia, makes sense. The government of the day can set targets for inflation or possibly exchange rate (although inflation and exchange rate are connected such that controlling both at the same time makes little sense), This means we get a longer term, more stable perspective than is likely from a bank that might find itself needing to recast its policies every few months as new governments win elections or new finance ministers are appointed.

An independent central bank is open to influence but not to control and that, in my opinion is pretty much as it should be. In Russia it is clear that the central bank works very closely with government and while one might argue with certain bank policies, in the longer term we can see that the heads of Russians central Bank have, on the whole followed sound policies.

Can you please explain to us how the system of the independent Central Bank works and who are the Owners of the Bank?

Sorry had no time to visit the site of the Bank of England to learn how is operating and who ultimately owns the bank.

I read somewhere that the Bank of Russia is controlled from Wall Street, thanks to Yeltsin!

Is it true?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 28, 2018, 07:15:41 AM

Wiz, I am surprised that you do not know how Google works. I understand that Bing, Duck Duck Go and others all work in a similar fashion.
Here's a useful page about how to use Google: https://searchengineland.com/guide/how-to-use-google-to-search

Now that you know how to use Google you can find information such as that contained in this page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of_England
In brief, from the page I linked:

Quote

t was privately owned by stockholders from its foundation in 1694 until it was nationalised in 1946. The Bank became an independent public organization in 1998, wholly owned by the Treasury Solicitor on behalf of the government, but with independence in setting monetary policy.

The Russian Central Bank is a more complex case due to its succession from the Soviet Union. However you can read more information here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Bank_of_Russia

In essence, underneath the complications of succession, the Russian Central Bank is a similar case to the Bank of England. It is an independent organisation with no external shareholders (forget the fairy tales about Jewish bankers, they are untrue). The bank is independent of the government and its position is defined and guaranteed within the Russian constitution.

Here you can read about the Central Bank of Russia as well as its antecedents. There's information about the structure and management of the organisation and links to the legal foundations of the bank: http://www.cbr.ru/today/

Can I counsel you, Wiz, and others, to research primary or authoritative secondary sources. For example, I rarely use Wikipedia as a research source but rather as a way to simplify for others, the process of getting basic information communicated. Relying upon the writings of ill-informed loons can do nothing but cause one to seem much as the people from whom one is 'learning'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 28, 2018, 07:46:21 AM

Both the Central Bank of Venezuela and the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe are on paper independent of the government. In reality they are fully controlled by the 'rulers' of each nation. Both countries are dealing with hyperinflation, though in Zimbabwe things have calmed down a bit.

In my opinion this is a good example of why one needs an independent central bank.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 28, 2018, 03:57:40 PM

Quote from: Wiz on October 28, 2018, 05:41:38 AM

"While some may have simplistic views of the Federal Reserve Bank or FED[/u] it is an odd institution neither fully public or fully private. Sort of the proverbial neither fish or fowl. But its existence at least in theory is essential and the same holds true for other 'National' banks in different countries. There has been one version or another of a 'FED' for almost 200 years in America. With at times some rather disastrous breaks in between.

Have you Noticed how he justifies the day light robbery of the USA People by the Zionist Cabal of the Rothschild family?

Wiz,
The words in italics are mine, it would be a common courtesy that when you quote others posters do it correctly, but manners and your personal interactions are two divorced matters with you.

Wiz as far as I can see you live in some sort of fantasy fueled conspiracy world. Sometimes you have a valid point. Mostly though it is a sad construction of your biases and bigotry of Planet Wiz.

In what you have copied and pasted from what I wrote earlier please show where I 'defend' a ‘so-called’ Zionist take over the Federal Reserve Bank. English is not that difficult a language so please let’s see you rise to the occasion. Though I am confident you can find some source to fit your flavor of the week conspiracy.

So :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2018, 04:36:43 PM

Prominent Conservatives push the theory that it was Democratic agents who sent the pipe bombs and that Sayoc is only a patsy.

https://www.businessinsider.com/clinton-obama-cnn-bombs-democrats-conservatives-rush-limbaugh-2018-10?fbclid=IwAR3Ph-bPbByUIBWGeYpzkfInwOE_ZPnM35OnMifUON3r4BYBIKWTocF_Om0&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=topbar&utm_term=desktop&referrer=facebook

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2018, 05:14:52 PM

Kanye West pushes “Blexit” and asks blacks to leave the Democrats and join Republicans.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/28/kanye-west-calls-blexit-wants-blacks-abandon-democ/?fbclid=IwAR3tEZNxC0EfN6APbsSKbAN1-EJsFkFVSfjudv5qjwaRYdmlFwW-K_g6xxU

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2018, 05:19:54 PM

Did Mueller create a “make-believe crime”?

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/oct/28/robert-muellers-russia-case-difficult-prosecute/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2018, 05:47:22 PM

Wiz will like this article.

https://www.geopolitica.ru/en/news/putin-95-world-terrorist-attacks-are-made-cia?fbclid=IwAR3Uj78W1zL8zZ-ITW0pR0TyjBg39bBoleeBlGrRP9JiTg8TuDhf63O2MSs

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 28, 2018, 07:10:55 PM

One of the up and coming stars of the Democrat party. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 28, 2018, 07:16:45 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 28, 2018, 07:10:55 PM

One of the up and coming stars of the Democrat party. :chuckle:

Funny stuff, but the reality is scary.

The fact is few politicians have any depth of knowledge.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on October 28, 2018, 07:23:52 PM

President Trumps speech that was the beginning of
Qanon

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on October 28, 2018, 08:04:05 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 28, 2018, 07:10:55 PM

One of the up and coming stars of the Democrat party. :chuckle:

Compared to the rest of the democrats she very well maybe an improvement. The really dumbest thing she did was to get interviewed by PBS. If she would picked ABC, NBC or CBS they would had writers write out the answer for her and give her time to memorize them. Then questions would been more about women's rights, abortions, and police shootings of black people. It would been a tearful event where she would sworn to take up for the millions of Americans that are oppressed by our government. Wiz would be quoting her and telling me how I have been brained washed that I so not see all of this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 28, 2018, 08:18:06 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 28, 2018, 07:23:52 PM

President Trumps speech that was the beginning of
Qanon

As way of background. > https://news.artnet.com/opinion/q-anon-hoax-1329983 <From August of this year but stories have been in and out of art history media for over two years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2018, 08:26:57 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 28, 2018, 07:10:55 PM

One of the up and coming stars of the Democrat party. :chuckle:

I'd bang her silly! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 28, 2018, 08:36:29 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 28, 2018, 08:26:57 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 28, 2018, 07:10:55 PM
One of the up and coming stars of the Democrat party. :chuckle:

I'd bang her silly! :laugh:

Fair enough, but would it help her common sense?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on October 28, 2018, 08:50:44 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 28, 2018, 07:10:55 PM

One of the up and coming stars of the Democrat party. :chuckle:

Somehow I just don't think they're going to get too far with their socialism agenda. Those who are opposed will speak up, but those who object will speak out with actions, not words.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 29, 2018, 12:04:02 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 28, 2018, 08:26:57 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 28, 2018, 07:10:55 PM
One of the up and coming stars of the Democrat party. :chuckle:

I'd bang her silly! :laugh:

Too late, she is already very silly. All you'd succeed in doing is raping her. Is that what you want?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on October 29, 2018, 03:05:36 AM

She has a degree in economics. So maybe she do better with these questions. Well maybe not.

But look at how important she has become. She beat out the incumbent democratic congressman to be on the ballet this fall. She actually won the primary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 29, 2018, 05:31:32 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 28, 2018, 03:57:40 PM

Quote from: Wiz on October 28, 2018, 05:41:38 AM

"While some may have simplistic views of the Federal Reserve Bank or FED[/u] it is an odd institution neither fully public or fully private. Sort of the proverbial neither fish or fowl. But its existence at least in theory is essential and the same holds true for other 'National' banks in different countries. There has been one version or another of a 'FED' for almost 200 years in America. With at times some rather disastrous breaks in between.

Have you Noticed how he justifies the day light robbery of the USA People by the Zionist Cabal of the Rothschild family?

Wiz,
The words in italics are mine, it would be a common courtesy that when you quote others posters do it correctly, but manners and your personal interactions are two divorced matters with you.

Wiz as far as I can see you live in some sort of fantasy fueled conspiracy world. Sometimes you have a valid point. Mostly though it is a sad construction of your biases and bigotry of Planet Wiz.

In what you have copied and pasted from what I wrote earlier please show where I 'defend' a ‘so-called’ Zionist take over the Federal Reserve Bank. English is not that difficult a language so please let’s see you rise to the occasion. Though I am confident you can find some source to fit your flavor of the week conspiracy.

So :popcorn:

Firstly Learn how to read and make use of the Quotations, stop drinking while on your "Zionist Trolling Job" and then make sure you give the link to the other thread so we can find out where you copied the Text in Italics, which of course it's your comment.

Talking about good manners, I have many times pointed your polite comments, towards me and others, on this board. so I suggest you go to a school to learn "savoir vivre" and stop preaching me.

If you put your glasses on, then you would read my reference to you as "The Zionist Troll", the use of red colour and you would not create trouble for nothing.

For your information, I do not spent all my day on this Board..... as you do to justify your Zionist Trolling Shift. I visit when it suits me and not anybody else.

As about your other comments...... keep reading you may learn a few things... about my " "Fantasy fueled conspiracy world".

:fighting0025:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 29, 2018, 05:47:58 AM

Quote from: Wiz on October 29, 2018, 05:31:32 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 28, 2018, 03:57:40 PM
Quote from: Wiz on October 28, 2018, 05:41:38 AM

"While some may have simplistic views of the Federal Reserve Bank or FED[/u] it is an odd institution neither fully public or fully private. Sort of the proverbial neither fish or fowl. But its existence at least in theory is essential and the same holds true for other 'National' banks in different countries. There has been one version or another of a 'FED' for almost 200 years in America. With at times some rather disastrous breaks in between.

Have you Noticed how he justifies the day light robbery of the USA People by the Zionist Cabal of the Rothschild family?

Wiz,
The words in italics are mine, it would be a common courtesy that when you quote others posters do it correctly, but manners and your personal interactions are two divorced matters with you.

Wiz as far as I can see you live in some sort of fantasy fueled conspiracy world. Sometimes you have a valid point. Mostly though it is a sad construction of your biases and bigotry of Planet Wiz.

In what you have copied and pasted from what I wrote earlier please show where I 'defend' a ‘so-called’ Zionist take over the Federal Reserve Bank. English is not that difficult a language so please let’s see you rise to the occasion. Though I am confident you can find some source to fit your flavor of the week conspiracy.

So :popcorn:

Firstly Learn how to read and make use of the Quotations, stop drinking while on your "Zionist Trolling Job" and then make sure you give the link to the other thread so we can find out where you copied the Text in Italics, which of course it's your comment.

Talking about good manners, I have many times pointed your polite comments, towards me and others, on this board. so I suggest you go to a school to learn "savoir vivre" and stop preaching me.

If you put your glasses on, then you would read my reference to you as "The Zionist Troll", the use of red colour and you would not create trouble for nothing.

For your information, I do not spent all my day on this Board..... as you do to justify your Zionist Trolling Shift. I visit when it suits me and not anybody else.

As about your other comments...... keep reading you may learn a few things... about my " "Fantasy fueled conspiracy world".

Well that was an edifying response from Planet Wiz.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 29, 2018, 06:14:28 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 28, 2018, 05:47:22 PM

Wiz will like this article.

https://www.geopolitica.ru/en/news/putin-95-world-terrorist-attacks-are-made-cia?fbclid=IwAR3Uj78W1zL8zZ-ITW0pR0TyjBg39bBoleeBlGrRP9JiTg8TuDhf63O2MSs

Actually I think Putin is right with his comments.... he is from the same school..... so he must know something!

On the other hand, reading the posts above..... you can't continue blaming Russia and Putin.

You are doing an excellent job destroying your Empire.... :P

Problem now is you started attacking and killing the Jews and probably they will start boycotting your country, as they did to Germany when Hitler came to power........ and that will be the end of your Empire, as you know it!

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 29, 2018, 11:00:07 AM

Not so fast Wizzer - now for the real story:

Per Dr. Dave Janda, Trump is an expert businessman with extensive experience using Legal Bankruptcy laws to reorganize Corporations to address and renegotiate Debt levels during periods of CFR FED sudden economic contraction (Fed Boom and Burst Bubbles Cycle). The Deep State and the Rockefeller-Rothschild CFR UK Crown Global financiers are in a complete panic over this as Trump knows that the USA Debt can no more be repaid than the USA could have survived economically under the onerous Paris Climate Accords and TPP plan to kill the USA economy once and for all. What makes USA Debt so pernicious unlike other Nations Central Banks that pay the interest on the National Debt to the Country's Treasury (Like Andrew Jackson and Abraham Lincoln ensured) the USA National Debt Interest payments are paid to the CFR Globalists controlled "member banks" that comprise official Federal Reserve shareholders... siphoning off this money to the offshore CFR Crown Globalists real Fed shadow shareholders. This siphoning off of USA interest payments combined with the war on the USA Strategic Industrial and High Technology manufacturing base was extremely successful at destroying the USA middle class and destroying USA global Competitiveness under the Globalist CFR Presidents prior to Trump from GHW Bush to Clinton, W Bush and Obama's reign of economic terror on the USA Middle and Upper Middle Classes.

Dr. Dave Janda Operation Freedom on USAwatchdog.com with Greg Hunter...

Trump knew the USA economy handed to him by the Traitor Obamunists was "Rigged to Blow" and he has been working aggressively with the DoD to counter the Globalist Clinton-Obamunist CFR Traitors plan to destroy the USA Economy and Military.

Trump with full support of DoD Patriots and their MIC allies canceled PCA, TPP, went on a very effective NATO arrears defense "rent" payment collections tour with the threat of Tariffs on EU products cutting off economic access to USA markets, renegotiated trade with the Saudi Kingdom, Korea, Japan, Mexico, Canada, yes the Arrogant Junkers EU 4th Reich quickly brought to heel like a disobedient German Shepard guard dog on threats of EU Auto Tariffs, and then opening trade negotiations with UK, Russia, India and Brazil systematically Isolating Communist Freaking Red China from the rest of the BRICS and the massive wealthy North American and European consumer Markets.

Trump knows that he has to get the USA in the best possible financial condition moving as many manufacturers back to the USA as possible to begin to reverse the CFRC war on our strategic industrial and high technology manufacturing base BEFORE he uses his leverage to renegotiate the Immoral Debt slavery tax saddled on the backs of the USA People and businesses enforced by a radical SJW controlled IRS as directed by the dark evil hands of the Globalists CFR controlled Traitor Media against USA Patriots like us lead by President and CiC Trump.

The Fed keeps raising interest rates after the Red Wave midterms Trump can declare a National Security Emergency (In response to Chinese Economic, Political, and low-level Military positioning warfare against the USA). Trump can then suspend payments on the National Debt after Dr. Dave Janda's sources 51,000 Deep State indictments are unsealed and key Deep Staters prosecuted under Military Tribunals for Sedition and Treason.

Trump would rather slowly boil these swamp frogs and gradually return Manufacturing in an orderly manner to the now Low Tax Low Unlimited Energy costs USA with a major Nationwide Competition based Healthcare and nationwide Infrastructure rebuilding plans to make the USA even MORE attractive to international manufacturers large and small now relocating to the USA.

This orderly process is much preferred by President Trump in the Run-Up to the 2018 Midterm and 2020 Presidential Elections - rather than forcing the USA into an emergency crash prevention shock therapy reset of the USA Dollar and full reorganization and suspension of interest payments on the National Debt. The CFR controls the mainstream media and this is the current vicious fight between the CFR Clinton Obamunist anti-USA Globalist traitors and the Team USA Trump patriots pure and simple.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 29, 2018, 03:11:19 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 29, 2018, 11:00:07 AM

Not so fast Wizzer - now for the real story:

As you always forget to post the video links,
so I can click and see the video with Greg Hunder...
I am posting it my self. ......
Thanks for your help and consideration! :P (:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fogcY-NNDg&feature=youtu.be&t=1

:'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 29, 2018, 05:25:45 PM

Cuffy

I came across this video below...... and I was surprised to hear this chap, Robert David Steele, talking so openly about Trump and his objectives.

Robert David Steele

Donald Trump and The Rothschild

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8KZBPgLctU

What is your view?

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 29, 2018, 05:59:56 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 28, 2018, 06:10:53 AM

An independent central bank is important in a relatively democratic society. If a central bank is nationalised it comes under the authority of the state and thus is at the whim of the political group heading the government. The inevitable result is that Bank policy then tends to reflect the current political views of the government of the day.

The system followed in the UK, and other countries, including Russia, makes sense. The government of the day can set targets for inflation or possibly exchange rate (although inflation and exchange rate are connected such that controlling both at the same time makes little sense), This means we get a longer term, more stable perspective than is likely from a bank that might find itself needing to recast its policies every few months as new governments win elections or new finance ministers are appointed.

An independent central bank is open to influence but not to control and that, in my opinion is pretty much as it should be. In Russia it is clear that the central bank works very closely with government and while one might argue with certain bank policies, in the longer term we can see that the heads of Russians central Bank have, on the whole followed sound policies.

Does Rothschild own all Central Banks? (https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/does-rothschild-own-all-central-banks/)

"Controversy continues to rage about Central Bank ownership. Most major Central Banks, except for the FED, are publicly owned. However: this is not really important. Control is what matters and Central Banks are the Money Power’s centralized controllers, private or publicly owned."

Control vs. Ownership

"Central Banks were created by the Banks for the simple reason that Fractional Reserve Banking is incredibly unstable. There is an eternal incentive for the banksters to loan out more than they can cover with fractional reserves, leading to all sorts of destabilizing busts. This was hurting the Money Power’s control over the money supplies of the World and Central Banks were created as ‘lenders of the last resort’: in case of a panic a Central Bank could keep busted banks afloat, maintaining sufficient confidence in the system.

Furthermore, they were useful tools for Sovereign borrowing. The basic contract between Sovereigns and the Central Banks was, that the Central Bank would always provide the State with all the money it would ever need, in return for guaranteed interest payments through taxation."

Does Rothschild own all Central Banks? (https://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/does-rothschild-own-all-central-banks/)

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 30, 2018, 12:21:07 AM

Wiz, I suggest you read what I wrote and quit the belief in fairy tales written to convince the gullible by charlatans.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 30, 2018, 05:08:28 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2018, 12:21:07 AM

Wiz, I suggest you read what I wrote and quit the belief in fairy tales written to convince the gullible by charlatans.

Andrew you remind me of a lovely ABBA song: "I believe in Angels" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8BVrtpe9sM)

Buck on Topic:

It’s quite funny that people like you, feel they have the infallibility of the Pope and think that people, like me, who question anything about banking and the Rothschild’s are all conspiracy theorists!

Some years ago, 2013, I had visited the “Rothschild’s Bank” website and read a very long list of Publicly owned and not Private “National Banks” around the world, where the Rothschild’s Bank had interests and participated in it’s ownership. The “Bank of Greece” and I remember well the “Bank of Russia” was part of that list too. Today that list is missing from their website and my search found nothing about their Involvement around the world.

No bank in the world is going to admit that the Rothschild’s own, or controls them or has any influence, nor is any financial institution going to submit to an audit, for if they done that, everything has to be revealed, even ownership!

In the Greek case, “Bank Of Greece” we know for certain, that the Greek state is holding 7% of its shares…. 3% by the Greek Orthodox church in Ioannina, Epirus (my home town) but the rest 90% nobody knows …….

I searched the same in Russia and found not much info about the “Bank of Russia” ownership, only have a statement from one member of the Government regarding this matter.

I find very interesting the latest article and video posted by Caffy……..if you bothered to listen and paid attention to details.

Sorry but right now I need to divert my attention to the Greek TV and follow a ghastly murder/assassination of a Greek National in south Albania by the Special Albanian Police…..who dared to put up a Greek flag, on Sunday the 28, to celebrate the OXI Day. It is a huge provocation the statement by the Albanian PM who justified this killing. There are over a million of Albanians living in Greece and who knows what might happen…….

Will be back ……………….sometime later.

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 30, 2018, 05:24:49 AM

Investment banks such as the Rothschild Group provide loans to governments (the National banks) based most often on equity in the projects. It is a means or system that has existed for centuries. It should be noted today the competition between the various investment and merchant banks is tough and hard. The Rothschild group does not have and stranglehold or monopoly on the market as has been suggested.

In simple words the merchant banks such as Rothschild do NOT own the national banks but rather a percentage of the project(s) usually in the form of bonds.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 30, 2018, 06:13:36 AM

My above half reply was addressed to Andrew and not to you. On the other hand why should I take any notice of your comments when I have already given you the “Zionist Troll” title?

If I remember well it was the Lord Rothschild who bribed the British government and managed to get the “Balfour Declaration”. The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland.

May I remind you to go back to history and read about how Lord Rothschild took control of the Bank of England after the battle of Waterloo and his early warning by pigeon?

Most of what you say it’s probably true, but, who are the major private shareholders of the group of banks that “own” the Fed.?

If the Rothschild conglomerate are major shareholders, and I would suspect they are, then the Rothschild’s are the group that “controls” Fed financial policy, and by extension, world financial policy. It’s the latter the scary part if it’s true. The rapid centralized control of the world’s economy by tiny elite is very disturbing.

Control the money and you control life on earth!

Why the “Mafia President Trump” is taking the actions described on the video posted by Caffy?

I don’t think he is stupid and he knows well what he is doing!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 30, 2018, 06:21:44 AM

Quote from: Wiz on October 30, 2018, 06:13:36 AM

Most of what you say it’s probably true, but, who are the major private shareholders of the group of banks that “own” the Fed.?

Wiz, I am not sure. But I repeat yet again I would like to see an audit of the FED. I think the government 'owes' that to the American taxpayer. Transparency is a good thing. Until such an audit occurs much of what you post is flimsy speculation or weird conspiracy theories rehashed.

I suspect many posters across a broad spectrum would like to see this audit in fact.

Here is an interesting article regarding the subject;
> https://reason.com/blog/2018/03/06/rand-paul-on-trump-i-think-he-will-sign <

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2018, 08:55:13 AM

President Trump to visit Pittsburgh.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/nation/2018/10/30/despite-calls-stay-away-trump-heads-pittsburgh-after-synagogue-massacre/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 30, 2018, 09:08:16 AM

Wiz, the Federal Reserve Bank system is a hybrid between a conventional corporation and a department of the Federal Government.

Nominally the banks that use the services of the Fed are its owners in that they receive a dividend in lieu of interest on their deposits in the Federal Reserve System. However they have no control over the Fed or any part in its management. The Fed operates under the authority of Congress.

Basically you have fallen prey to people who like to take advantage of old men who can't be bothered to find out the truth. Of course, your cohort is numerous and, as with other lies, the ones you choose to believe in about Jewish influence over central banks around the world have gained credibility by repetition.

Nobody would argue the self evident point that Jews seem overly represented in finance and some other fields. Put that down to a gene that shifted the IQ of Ashkenazi Jews a standard deviation to the right of that of that of the white population of the United States.

Now, as for political influence, that's another matter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2018, 09:27:57 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2018, 09:08:16 AM

Wiz, the Federal Reserve Bank system is a hybrid between a conventional corporation and a department of the Federal Government.

Nominally the banks that use the services of the Fed are its owners in that they receive a dividend in lieu of interest on their deposits in the Federal Reserve System. However they have no control over the Fed or any part in its management. The Fed operates under the authority of Congress.

Basically you have fallen prey to people who like to take advantage of old men who can't be bothered to find out the truth. Of course, your cohort is numerous and, as with other lies, the ones you choose to believe in about Jewish influence over central banks around the world have gained credibility by repetition.

Nobody would argue the self evident point that Jews seem overly represented in finance and some other fields. Put that down to a gene that shifted the IQ of Ashkenazi Jews a standard deviation to the right of that of that of the white population of the United States.

Now, as for political influence, that's another matter.

Jews are not smarter than whites as far as IQ, that’s a myth.

What they are though is tribal, they do their very best to do business with and to reward other Jews first.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 30, 2018, 09:43:24 AM

Stefan Molyneux on Race and IQ

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 30, 2018, 10:07:23 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 30, 2018, 09:43:24 AM

Stefan Molyneux on Race and IQ

Interesting link, thank you for sharing.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on October 30, 2018, 10:27:14 AM

Interesting comment in recent Trump Tweet that the Media is now the Enemy of the People...
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/832708293516632065?lang=en
overpasses4America
‏
@o4america
Apr 27
Replying to @realDonaldTrump @nytimes and 4 others
Here's how you fix the #media.
Repeal Telecommunications Act of 1996, auction off radio/tv stations BACK to local owners, strictly enforce #YellowJournalism laws, lock up #FakeNews "journalists" for #Propaganda
Problem solved, #America gets real news back!

Also Nice Series of Tweets by POTUS in support of Trump Agenda proven candidates:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?lang=en

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 30, 2018, 10:28:12 AM

Not a myth, there are differences in IQ across ethnic groups. Unfortunate but true.

It is silly to imagine that, for example, only Jews act in their shared interests, we all do that. There are some cultural differences in terms of how some groups handle money, as an example of cultural differences, but they are fairly marginal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 30, 2018, 10:59:03 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2018, 09:08:16 AM

Wiz, the Federal Reserve Bank system is a hybrid between a conventional corporation and a department of the Federal Government.

Nominally the banks that use the services of the Fed are its owners in that they receive a dividend in lieu of interest on their deposits in the Federal Reserve System. However they have no control over the Fed or any part in its management. The Fed operates under the authority of Congress.

Basically you have fallen prey to people who like to take advantage of old men who can't be bothered to find out the truth. Of course, your cohort is numerous and, as with other lies, the ones you choose to believe in about Jewish influence over central banks around the world have gained credibility by repetition.

Nobody would argue the self evident point that Jews seem overly represented in finance and some other fields. Put that down to a gene that shifted the IQ of Ashkenazi Jews a standard deviation to the right of that of that of the white population of the United States.

Now, as for political influence, that's another matter.

Andrew

Ownership of the 12 Federal Reserve banks has been adjudicated to be held as a private corporation each with 9 directors. (Adjudicated as an FOIA issue and also as grounds to dismiss an appeal out of time.) They each are a franchise purchased by the commercial banks. The BOG has supervisory and regulatory control of each franchise. Any director can be dismissed without cause and without recourse.

Whoever owns most control of the banks , does it privately and quietly .

It’s hard to imagine that the richest people In the world are not exerting their influence over the one industry that keeps them where they are : banking .

Somehow they have to keep the masses servicing the system . That’s not very easy if the population realises they’re being robbed of their wealth by taxes. All tax paying slips are with the Bank of England .

Any how if you wish, take a look at the following:

Amended Complaint Federal Reserve whistleblower (https://www.scribd.com/doc/153024003/Amended-Complaint-Federal-Reserve-whistleblower?campaign=SkimbitLtd&ad_group=725X549773Xc9afd6eaddda4d5b2c1399dd29671d66&keyword=660149026&source=hp_affiliate&medium=affiliate)

Also

RIP-OFF BY THE FEDERAL RESERVE (https://www.scribd.com/document/49040689/RIP-OFF-BY-THE-FEDERAL-RESERVE-Feb-17-2011)

Finally enjoy with this surprise but true statement at the BBC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VTdUWk9DLM

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2018, 11:50:45 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on October 30, 2018, 10:27:14 AM

Interesting comment in recent Trump Tweet that the Media is now the Enemy of the People...
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/832708293516632065?lang=en
overpasses4America
‏
@o4america
Apr 27
Replying to @realDonaldTrump @nytimes and 4 others
Here's how you fix the #media.
Repeal Telecommunications Act of 1996, auction off radio/tv stations BACK to local owners, strictly enforce #YellowJournalism laws, lock up #FakeNews "journalists" for #Propaganda
Problem solved, #America gets real news back!

Also Nice Series of Tweets by POTUS in support of Trump Agenda proven candidates:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?lang=en

An elite cabal of anti-American thugs should not be preaching to us about "equality", they should be practicing it themselves and get out of the business in favor of others.

I chuckle when I hear the media talk about "foreign agents" and "Russian collusion". So here's the real reason for the Mueller investigation and all this other nonsense: they didn't pick Trump.

Quote:
"When asked about men in high political office, Mr. Rosenthal said that no one in the last three decades has achieved any political power without Jewish approval. "Americans have not had a presidential choice since 1932 when [Franklin] Roosevelt was our man; every president since Roosevelt has been our man." (Even before Roosevelt the Jewish influence upon Woodrow Wilson (1913-21) was quite evident, as Henry Ford wrote in 1921—"Mr. Wilson, while President, was very close to the Jews. His administration, as everyone knows, was predominantly Jewish" (The International Jew, Dearborn Publishing Co., III, p. 28-9).

In a discussion about George Wallace, Mr. Rosenthal smiled and suggested that we note where Wallace stands today. When the US foreign policy was mentioned, the bedroom confidence of the interview was all but set aside. With disdain and mockery he sneered at the American stupidity in failing to see through the entire scope of Kissinger foreign policy. "It is Zionist-Communist policy from beginning to end. Yet the citizens think this Jewish policy will benefit America." (The reason for this is because the Jewish media refers to the "Zionist-Communist policy" as "American policy" pursuant to "Constitutional" provisions. Ignorance of our own system of government is the real issue here.) He cited 'detente' and Angola as examples of Jewish diplomacy. The credulous nature of Americans drew only contempt from him.

The interview continued on an almost omniscient plane.

"We Jews have put issue upon issue to the American people. Then we promote both sides of the issue as confusion reigns. With their eyes fixed on the issues, they fail to see who is behind every scene. We Jews toy with the American public as a cat toys with a mouse."

source:
https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/tyranny1.htm#The%20Hidden%20Tyranny

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 30, 2018, 12:13:50 PM

Quote from: Wiz on October 30, 2018, 10:59:03 AM

Amended Complaint Federal Reserve whistleblower (https://www.scribd.com/doc/153024003/Amended-Complaint-Federal-Reserve-whistleblower?campaign=SkimbitLtd&ad_group=725X549773Xc9afd6eaddda4d5b2c1399dd29671d66&keyword=660149026&source=hp_affiliate&medium=affiliate)

While supposedly filed a few years ago, there are a number of problems with the document you note, Wiz. There is no such Bank of Nova Scotia. There is a Scotia Bank in New York City on Vesey Street.

The complaint was settled <Amended filing refused by the court without counsel. No lawyer will accept position of counsel.>

In fact if you go to the bottom page there are ten or so of these sort of actions. The ONLY way that we will understand the FED is an audit mandated by Congress and signed by the President.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 30, 2018, 12:25:06 PM

Wiz, I now can't help it if you can't understand what you read and thus end up believing fairy tales. Sorry and all that but there's plenty of primary and secondary data sources to help you and others who want to be helped.

There's issues with the Fed system but barking at the wrong tree won't help anyone to get closer to the truth. As is often the case, one finds oneself wondering whether the fairy stories circulated that are obviously false are not a part of a program of misdirection. It would not be the first issue in relatively recent history where that appeared to be the case.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on October 30, 2018, 01:44:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 30, 2018, 09:27:57 AM

What they are though is tribal, they do their very best to do business with and to reward other Jews first.

I don't believe the following is true but for the sake of discussion, let's also
say that the Federal Reserve was 100% Jewish, ran by Jews for the benefit
of Jews. What would they do to accomplish this? Wouldn't keeping the economy humming, inflation low and the markets stable benefit Jews or non Jews alike
as much as anyone else? What could be done to benefit Jews more than anyone
else?

I also think if you studied members of the NBA you would find very few Jewish
professional basketball players. Does anybody think that there is a cabal to
keep the Jews out?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 30, 2018, 02:47:54 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2018, 12:25:06 PM

Wiz, I now can't help it if you can't understand what you read and thus end up believing fairy tales. Sorry and all that but there's plenty of primary and secondary data sources to help you and others who want to be helped.

There's issues with the Fed system but barking at the wrong tree won't help anyone to get closer to the truth. As is often the case, one finds oneself wondering whether the fairy stories circulated that are obviously false are not a part of a program of misdirection. It would not be the first issue in relatively recent history where that appeared to be the case.

Andrew

I take it that you are not able to explain in simple terms the situation with the FED and I can assure you I know how to read and understand even if I am not university educated.

Never mind... I have to ask somebody else to explain to me few things..... like my son who happens to have a Master degree from LSE......I paid enough for it....time to get something back! :8)

Enjoy the Spanish Sun.........

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2018, 03:52:04 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 30, 2018, 01:44:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 30, 2018, 09:27:57 AM
What they are though is tribal, they do their very best to do business with and to reward other Jews first.

I don't believe the following is true but for the sake of discussion, let's also
say that the Federal Reserve was 100% Jewish, ran by Jews for the benefit
of Jews. What would they do to accomplish this? Wouldn't keeping the economy humming, inflation low and the markets stable benefit Jews or non Jews alike
as much as anyone else? What could be done to benefit Jews more than anyone
else?

I also think if you studied members of the NBA you would find very few Jewish
professional basketball players. Does anybody think that there is a cabal to
keep the Jews out?

I don’t believe Jews for the most part are even remotely interested in playing for the NBA besides the fact that as a group few are tall enough or coordinated enough.

Thanks for the absurd apples to oranges “comparison”.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 30, 2018, 04:56:09 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 30, 2018, 03:52:04 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 30, 2018, 01:44:57 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 30, 2018, 09:27:57 AM
What they are though is tribal, they do their very best to do business with and to reward other Jews first.

I don't believe the following is true but for the sake of discussion, let's also
say that the Federal Reserve was 100% Jewish, ran by Jews for the benefit
of Jews. What would they do to accomplish this? Wouldn't keeping the economy humming, inflation low and the markets stable benefit Jews or non Jews alike
as much as anyone else? What could be done to benefit Jews more than anyone
else?

I also think if you studied members of the NBA you would find very few Jewish
professional basketball players. Does anybody think that there is a cabal to
keep the Jews out?

I don’t believe Jews for the most part are even remotely interested in playing for the NBA besides the fact that as a group few are tall enough or coordinated enough.

Thanks for the absurd apples to oranges “comparison”.

http://www.thepostgame.com/8-best-jewish-basketball-players-all-time

https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-jews-in-basketball/famous-jews

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2018, 06:13:20 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on October 30, 2018, 01:44:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 30, 2018, 09:27:57 AM
What they are though is tribal, they do their very best to do business with and to reward other Jews first.

I don't believe the following is true but for the sake of discussion, let's also
say that the Federal Reserve was 100% Jewish, ran by Jews for the benefit
of Jews. What would they do to accomplish this? Wouldn't keeping the economy humming, inflation low and the markets stable benefit Jews or non Jews alike
as much as anyone else? What could be done to benefit Jews more than anyone
else?

Let's stick to elite bankers such as the Rothschilds mentioned by Wiz. Is it true that they've financed both sides of every war since Napoleon? Do you not see a problem in this? Take for example the Gulf of Tonkin incidents, one of which has now been declassified as a "False Flag event" which was fabricated in order to get the US Congress to agree to the war in Vietnam.

Can you see the moral and human problem with bankers being able to create false flag events, and then use their agents to coerce great powers into going to war? I'm not sure there's a greater and more sinister evil than those who would deliberately start a war in order to profit from it.

There are many people who hold that all major wars in the last few centuries have been instigated by, funded by, and profited by, the Zionist international bankers. First, they instigate wars.

Then, during the war, they loan huge sums of money, and make enormous profits in their military-industrial production. After the war, they buy up property and industry at pennies on the dollar in the loser nations. This policy of economic conquest is not only a factor in war; it is how the everyday economy operates, worldwide, today. The Zionists control the economies, governments, and agreements/conflicts between major nations.

They control the daily economy, inflation, and deflation. They engaged in economic war in creating the Great Depression in the US, in which they obtained vast amounts of property and business by foreclosing on mortgages and debt. And, they have plundered the resources of Third World nations, via the issuance of debt (loans) which cannot be paid back due to usurious interest rates.

We need to understand that nothing in this world "just happens", especially not global events. Everything has a reason and a purpose behind it. There are forces that control all that happens in this world, and there is an unseen "shadow government". It uses the masses or "sheep" as cannon fodder during war, and to gain sympathy and financial aid.

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_zion80.htm#Monopoly_Money

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-rothschild-gang-shadow-conspiracy-or-rumor-2011-6

The Rothschilds are the most famous banking family in history. In the 19 th century they lent money to Kings and governments and funded both sides in the Napoleonic wars. They once saved the Bank of England from collapse with their own money. But how did they come to be so fabulously wealthy? In this two-part feature we first look at their rise from the ghettoes of Frankfurt, and then in part two we ask why they have been accused of everything from deliberately starting wars, to assassinating presidents and controlling the entire global financial system.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2018, 09:06:39 PM

Quote from: Wiz on October 30, 2018, 02:47:54 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2018, 12:25:06 PM
Wiz, I now can't help it if you can't understand what you read and thus end up believing fairy tales. Sorry and all that but there's plenty of primary and secondary data sources to help you and others who want to be helped.

There's issues with the Fed system but barking at the wrong tree won't help anyone to get closer to the truth. As is often the case, one finds oneself wondering whether the fairy stories circulated that are obviously false are not a part of a program of misdirection. It would not be the first issue in relatively recent history where that appeared to be the case.

Andrew

I take it that you are not able to explain in simple terms the situation with the FED and I can assure you I know how to read and understand even if I am not university educated.

Never mind... I have to ask somebody else to explain to me few things..... like my son who happens to have a Master degree from LSE......I paid enough for it....time to get something back! :8)

Enjoy the Spanish Sun.........

tiphat

Wiz, I found this article which I thought you might like to look at.

https://criminalbankingmonopoly.wordpress.com/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 30, 2018, 09:09:45 PM

30 A.D.

Jesus in the last year of his life uses physical force to throw the money changers out of the temple. This was the only time during the the life of his ministry in which he used physical force against anyone.

"When Jews came to Jerusalem to pay their Temple tax, they could only pay it with a special coin, the half-shekel. This was a half-ounce of pure silver, about the size of a quarter. It was the only coin at that time which was pure silver and of assured weight, without the image of a pagan Emperor, and therefore to the Jews it was the only coin acceptable to God.

Unfortunately these coins were not plentiful, the money changers had cornered the market on them, and so they raised the price of them to whatever the market could bear. They used their monopoly they had on these coins to make exorbitant profits, forcing the Jews to pay whatever these money changers demanded.

Jesus threw the money changers out as their monopoly on these coins totally violated the sanctity of God's house. These money changers called for his death days later."

https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_globalbanking26.htm

Matthew 21:12-13 King James Version (KJV)
12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 31, 2018, 12:24:58 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 30, 2018, 04:56:09 PM

Quote from: Confederate on October 30, 2018, 03:52:04 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on October 30, 2018, 01:44:57 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 30, 2018, 09:27:57 AM
What they are though is tribal, they do their very best to do business with and to reward other Jews first.

I don't believe the following is true but for the sake of discussion, let's also
say that the Federal Reserve was 100% Jewish, ran by Jews for the benefit
of Jews. What would they do to accomplish this? Wouldn't keeping the economy humming, inflation low and the markets stable benefit Jews or non Jews alike
as much as anyone else? What could be done to benefit Jews more than anyone
else?

I also think if you studied members of the NBA you would find very few Jewish
professional basketball players. Does anybody think that there is a cabal to
keep the Jews out?

I don’t believe Jews for the most part are even remotely interested in playing for the NBA besides the fact that as a group few are tall enough or coordinated enough.

Thanks for the absurd apples to oranges “comparison”.

http://www.thepostgame.com/8-best-jewish-basketball-players-all-time

https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-jews-in-basketball/famous-jews

And Here the latest Star of the NBA
Giannis Antekoumpo

(http://www.ant1news.gr/news/imgHandler/690//369f1bb5-c27a-44b1-8426-f7d0a68ab1b4.jpg)

Enjoy his game....... :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 31, 2018, 12:32:13 AM

Quote from: Wiz on October 31, 2018, 12:24:58 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on October 30, 2018, 04:56:09 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 30, 2018, 03:52:04 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on October 30, 2018, 01:44:57 PM
Quote from: Confederate on October 30, 2018, 09:27:57 AM
What they are though is tribal, they do their very best to do business with and to reward other Jews first.

I don't believe the following is true but for the sake of discussion, let's also
say that the Federal Reserve was 100% Jewish, ran by Jews for the benefit
of Jews. What would they do to accomplish this? Wouldn't keeping the economy humming, inflation low and the markets stable benefit Jews or non Jews alike
as much as anyone else? What could be done to benefit Jews more than anyone
else?

I also think if you studied members of the NBA you would find very few Jewish
professional basketball players. Does anybody think that there is a cabal to
keep the Jews out?

I don’t believe Jews for the most part are even remotely interested in playing for the NBA besides the fact that as a group few are tall enough or coordinated enough.

Thanks for the absurd apples to oranges “comparison”.

http://www.thepostgame.com/8-best-jewish-basketball-players-all-time

https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-jews-in-basketball/famous-jews

And Here the latest Star of the NBA
Giannis Antekoumpo

(http://www.ant1news.gr/news/imgHandler/690//369f1bb5-c27a-44b1-8426-f7d0a68ab1b4.jpg)

Enjoy his game....... :laugh:

I think I posted about him elsewhere.

Immigrant from Africa that settled in Athens, he was spotted by a talent coach playing in Athens barefoot.

He is now something of a local hero for the people of Greece. More important he has remained very true to his roots, and the kindness that the Greek people showed him and his family.

For what it is worth basketball has an interesting history. Fairly young as a sport and created out of social concern.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 31, 2018, 01:34:56 AM

Quote from: Confederate on October 30, 2018, 09:06:39 PM

Quote from: Wiz on October 30, 2018, 02:47:54 PM
Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2018, 12:25:06 PM
Wiz, I now can't help it if you can't understand what you read and thus end up believing fairy tales. Sorry and all that but there's plenty of primary and secondary data sources to help you and others who want to be helped.

There's issues with the Fed system but barking at the wrong tree won't help anyone to get closer to the truth. As is often the case, one finds oneself wondering whether the fairy stories circulated that are obviously false are not a part of a program of misdirection. It would not be the first issue in relatively recent history where that appeared to be the case.

Andrew

I take it that you are not able to explain in simple terms the situation with the FED and I can assure you I know how to read and understand even if I am not university educated.

Never mind... I have to ask somebody else to explain to me few things..... like my son who happens to have a Master degree from LSE......I paid enough for it....time to get something back! :8)

Enjoy the Spanish Sun.........

tiphat

Wiz, I found this article which I thought you might like to look at.

https://criminalbankingmonopoly.wordpress.com/

Thanks Confederate. :)

For your information I have already read, copied and posted a huge article and video on my board regarding the same subject at the link you posted.

ALL WARS ARE BANKER'S WARS

bY Michael Rivero

And here is the full text in PDF

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/allwarsarebankerswars.pdf

tiphat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 31, 2018, 01:38:08 AM

Wiz, I already explained in very simple terms about the Fed. Again, it is not my fault that you can not understand it, or that you are unwilling to approach primary sources (info from the Fed and legislation published by the US government) or credible secondary sources (commentaries and analyses published by others on the primary sources).

I doubt that your son will succeed where I have failed because the issue is with you.

2tallbill made a sensible point upthread, one that is worth thinking about. As I already noted, activities in the political field by the state of Israel and their agents are a different matter.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 31, 2018, 04:19:43 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 31, 2018, 01:38:08 AM

Wiz, I already explained in very simple terms about the Fed. Again, it is not my fault that you can not understand it, or that you are unwilling to approach primary sources (info from the Fed and legislation published by the US government) or credible secondary sources (commentaries and analyses published by others on the primary sources).

I doubt that your son will succeed where I have failed because the issue is with you.

2tallbill made a sensible point upthread, one that is worth thinking about. As I already noted, activities in the political field by the state of Israel and their agents are a different matter.

Sorry to disappoint you but as you can see I have already, years ago, listen to Specialists analysing the FED situation and reading the history about the First and second Banks in the US before and after the civil war and it is pretty obvious who is the beneficiary of the private FED banking system in the USA. I suggest you have another reading or listeni..... to those articles/videos posted above.

Today all banks sell Debt, created out of thin air, pay no interest to our Savings and the banksters continue collecting interest on their historically acquired closed shop investment. Not a Bad perpetual return of 6% for no risk!

In reply to 2tallBill comments i would like to ask him:

Why Trump is going after the FED now, according to Caffy's comments and other articles I read in in the Mass Media. Why he accused the FED that everytime he make some savings it increase the Interest rates?

I guess he must have some good advisers around and they tell him to get rid of the vulcers succking the system.

He doesn't look stupid to me or wants to be assassinated but obviously realises that the USA can't pay that 23 trillion Debt which continue to increase and has to overcome all economical problems to return the USA economy back to the growth path.

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 31, 2018, 06:00:12 AM

Quote from: Wiz on October 31, 2018, 04:19:43 AM

Today all banks sell Debt, created out of thin air, pay no interest to our Savings and the banksters continue collecting interest on their historically acquired closed shop investment. Not a Bad perpetual return of 6% for no risk!

The debt is not created out of thin air. They are called Treasury Bills and presently they do not earn the FED 6%. The T-Bills fund many projects, schools and highways as well as sadly enough wars.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on October 31, 2018, 06:15:32 AM

If you think that the Fed is formed as a private organisation then you didn't understand that which you claim.

The earlier versions, in part, were the basis for configuring the Fed as it is today.

Chances are that you don't even understand what the Fed does. But that's a rabbit hole I do not intend to deal with until you know the legal basis for the Fed system.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on October 31, 2018, 08:13:15 AM

While quite simple this from Wikipedia might explain the structure in a basic way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Treasury_security#Treasury_bill

I should note the US Treasury sells the actual T-Bills at an auction. This information can be figured out on line if approaching (studying) the topic with a clean slate and no prejudice.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2018, 10:01:33 AM

Audit the Fed!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/20993/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on October 31, 2018, 10:09:07 AM

President Trump has no more right to modify the 14th Amendment
by Executive Order that President Obama had to allow "Dreamers" to
illegally stay in our country in violation of current immigration law by
using the same device.

That said, I think he is doing the right thing. By issuing this Executive
Order, it will be immediately challenged in federal court and we will finally
start the court process of defining exactly what is meant by the phrase
"and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" used in the 14th Amendment.

That is how "checks and balances" is supposed to work.

I'll yield to B.B. as the expert on Constitutional Law, but it appears these
might be some of the relevant cases on point: Dred Scott v Sandford 1857;
United States v Rhodes 1866; Minor v Happersett 1875; and United States
v Won Kim Ark 1898.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2018, 12:52:28 PM

Quote from: shakespear on October 31, 2018, 10:09:07 AM

President Trump has no more right to modify the 14th Amendment
by Executive Order that President Obama had to allow "Dreamers" to
illegally stay in our country in violation of current immigration law by
using the same device.

That said, I think he is doing the right thing. By issuing this Executive
Order, it will be immediately challenged in federal court and we will finally
start the court process of defining exactly what is meant by the phrase
"and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" used in the 14th Amendment.

That is how "checks and balances" is supposed to work.

I'll yield to B.B. as the expert on Constitutional Law, but it appears these
might be some of the relevant cases on point: Dred Scott v Sandford 1857;
United States v Rhodes 1866; Minor v Happersett 1875; and United States
v Won Kim Ark 1898.

This is long overdue, however it gets done. End birthright citizenship and stop giving them free food and cheap housing as well.

Lindsey Graham to introduce legislation to end birthright citizenship.

https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/413832-graham-to-introduce-legislation-ending-birthright-citizenship

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on October 31, 2018, 03:59:19 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 31, 2018, 06:15:32 AM

If you think that the Fed is formed as a private organisation then you didn't understand that which you claim.

The earlier versions, in part, were the basis for configuring the Fed as it is today.

Chances are that you don't even understand what the Fed does. But that's a rabbit hole I do not intend to deal with until you know the legal basis for the Fed system.

Obviously your superior knowledge of economics etc, doesn't allow you to notice small simple comments I have made in my previous posts. like my reference to the history prior to the creation of the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK. Maybe it's my fault for not been able to express my views in a more sophisticated language to match up with your own standards.

At the end of the day the result it's the same, whichever way you describe it!

Here is President Putin giving a much clearer explanation to the German Chancellor, Mrs Merkel, for the result! I hope this time you will understand me correctly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMgtpO2leOE

If only you had read both posts, posted by Confederate and myself

An Essay On The History Of Banking (https://criminalbankingmonopoly.wordpress.com/banking-essay/)

and also

ALL WARS ARE BANKER'S WARS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfEBupAeo4)

You would have noticed that they both give a clear picture on how the FED how it came about, how it's organised, its purpose, how it operates and who benefits of its existence.

Back to my ignorant corner........

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 01, 2018, 06:47:03 AM

Wiz as you are posting on-topic material regarding the future of the USA, EU, Russia based upon the manipulations of the Creatures of Jekyl Island (G. Edward Griffin) i.e., and the sadistic murderous tendencies of war mongering Central Bankers against the Goyim ... I will be polite in my reply.

There is a YouTube or Video Button button on most forums with YouTube or Vimeo etc., video options for a reason - the HTML links are highly modified by being injected into clickbait website links whereas the unique Video Catalog identifier remains constant thus most forums prefer a link that displays the video versus Cluttering up a site with UNsightly html hyperlinks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 01, 2018, 06:53:09 AM

Quote from: shakespear on October 31, 2018, 10:09:07 AM

President Trump has no more right to modify the 14th Amendment
by Executive Order that President Obama had to allow "Dreamers" to
illegally stay in our country in violation of current immigration law by
using the same device.

That said, I think he is doing the right thing. By issuing this Executive
Order, it will be immediately challenged in federal court and we will finally
start the court process of defining exactly what is meant by the phrase
"and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" used in the 14th Amendment.

That is how "checks and balances" is supposed to work.

I'll yield to B.B. as the expert on Constitutional Law, but it appears these
might be some of the relevant cases on point: Dred Scott v Sandford 1857;
United States v Rhodes 1866; Minor v Happersett 1875; and United States
v Won Kim Ark 1898.

Fascinating Factual Review of birthright citizenship for Illegal Aliens without hysterical MSM screaming; "NO Borders, NO Walls, NO USA AT ALL!" High Treason (Bottom line TRUMP WILL WIN on this at SCOTUS as well):

The Terrible Truth About Birthright Citizenship

Stefan Molyneux
Published on Oct 30, 2018

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2018, 08:11:24 AM

Feel the love, feel the hate

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/01/trump-rallies-america-midterms-white-house

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2018, 08:15:16 AM

President Trump is a Success, Let's Count the Ways

https://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/nation-now/2017/12/20/president-trumps-successes-have-been-underreported-gary-varvel-column-nation-now/968842001/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2018, 08:19:37 AM

81 Major Accomplishments

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/year-one-list-81-major-trump-achievements-11-obama-legacy-items-repealed

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 01, 2018, 10:54:56 AM

Hard Hitting Trump GOP "JOBS NOT MOBS" Ad:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1057715198684000258

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 01, 2018, 11:00:36 AM

New Solution to Problem of NARCO TERRORISTS Bum Rushing the US Border:

Active Denial Systems on the way to the US-Mexico border (Range: 7 Football Fields or 700 Yards)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 01, 2018, 08:47:23 PM

If the blacks support for President Trump turns into votes for the Republicans in the midterm it's game over for the democrats.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on November 01, 2018, 09:29:38 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 01, 2018, 11:00:36 AM

New Solution to Problem of NARCO TERRORISTS Bum Rushing the US Border:

Active Denial Systems on the way to the US-Mexico border (Range: 7 Football Fields or 700 Yards)

That system seems like a great means of non-invasive crowd dispersion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 02, 2018, 02:09:11 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 01, 2018, 06:47:03 AM

Wiz as you are posting on-topic material regarding the future of the USA, EU, Russia based upon the manipulations of the Creatures of Jekyl Island (G. Edward Griffin) i.e., and the sadistic murderous tendencies of war mongering Central Bankers against the Goyim ... I will be polite in my reply.

There is a YouTube or Video Button button on most forums with YouTube or Vimeo etc., video options for a reason - the HTML links are highly modified by being injected into clickbait website links whereas the unique Video Catalog identifier remains constant thus most forums prefer a link that displays the video versus Cluttering up a site with UNsightly html hyperlinks.

Cuffy thanks for the advice, above, but as I have known all that and I think I have explained previously the real reason for my request. I use XP with my Dell PC with 4GB memory, which when I made a test against the other one I was given from my son, with windows 10 and 8GB memory, it was faster by nearly 30 seconds.

BTW for the past 3 years I have not used Antivirus..... and so far, not a single problem, because those boys who release such things....are not interested in PC's with XP. No money there. :chuckle:

As you must have noticed when I post a video, always include the direct link below, to Youtube and I don't think a board with the size of this one will have problem with the additional HTML line!

Don't worry and I see every video posted..... just simple click and copy.......but then not everybody in this world is a considerate person.

Good idea to have debates on a civilised manner..... tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 02, 2018, 08:38:03 AM

Twitter: #grabdembytheballot OMG :duh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on November 02, 2018, 09:59:47 AM

Quote from: Markje on November 02, 2018, 08:38:03 AM

Twitter: #grabdembytheballot OMG :duh:

#grabdemsbytheballot (forgot the S) :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 02, 2018, 10:53:58 AM

A Deepdive look under the hood of one of the greatest Corruption-Bribery Democrat Money Generation engines in the History of the USA.

CLINTON CASH — Director's Cut — FULL OFFICIAL MOVIE — Bill & Hillary Clinton´s Blur exposed

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2018, 12:32:32 PM

Portuguese President proves he’s THE MAN! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2018, 05:53:33 PM

The Capitol Christmas tree was cut today from the Willamette National Forest in Oregon and will make its way to Washington DC.

https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2018/11/02/noble-fir-oregons-willamette-national-forest-cut-u-s-capitol-christmas-tree/1811281002/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2018, 06:08:54 PM

Trump to make a deal with China?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/trump-xi-say-momentum-is-building-toward-g-20-meeting/2018/11/01/8612ec90-de35-11e8-aa33-53bad9a881e8_story.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2018, 06:14:34 PM

Kavanuagh accuser admits she made it all up!

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/kavanaugh-accuser-recants?fbclid=IwAR3KkD3-HInVnsyXI9kV3cHGm8oavqLErAZRe_iMqsbP1AbWJ6LxiDB6ve4

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 03, 2018, 02:46:10 AM

Of course she made it up, but why recant now? Being dishonest is one thing, but dishonest and stupid - there's no excuse for that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2018, 12:40:07 PM

Trump administration scores legal victory over California.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article221054635.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2018, 12:43:02 PM

A Nation in Turmoil Prepares to Deliver a Verdict on Trump

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/11/03/us/politics/elections-trump-congress.amp.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on November 03, 2018, 01:57:28 PM

Alec Baldwin can really dish it out (Trump criticism) but he can't take it (Arrested over a fight over a parking spot).

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/02/entertainment/alec-baldwin-arrested/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/02/entertainment/alec-baldwin-arrested/index.html)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2018, 07:46:09 PM

President Trump is a Hero protecting a way of Life

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/at-trump-rallies-women-see-a-hero-protecting-a-way-of-life/ar-BBPiuou?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 03, 2018, 11:14:53 PM

Everyone is smart except Donald Trump

NATO
And yet they still rip us off. We pay 4% of our gigantic gross domestic product to protect them, and they will not pay a lousy 2% of their GDP towards their own defense. Is there a culture more penny-pinching-cheap-and-stingy than the delicate constituents of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization? These cheap baseborn prigs will not pay their fare. They are too cheap. They expect America to send boys to die for them in one world war, then another — hundreds of thousands — and then to pay for their NATO defense even a century later. And then they have the temerity to cheat us further in trade

https://ronaldyatesbooks.com/2018/10/everyone-is-smart-except-donald-trump-rabbi-dov-fischer/?fbclid=IwAR3Jx-mRE57_6h6HJohlGZFktlAsZ5xaLBA6m7pcgyPB-8r7UR4-P8T-37s

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 04, 2018, 03:59:32 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 03, 2018, 11:14:53 PM

Everyone is smart except Donald Trump

NATO
And yet they still rip us off. We pay 4% of our gigantic gross domestic product to protect them, and they will not pay a lousy 2% of their GDP towards their own defense. Is there a culture more penny-pinching-cheap-and-stingy than the delicate constituents of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization? These cheap baseborn prigs will not pay their fare. They are too cheap. They expect America to send boys to die for them in one world war, then another — hundreds of thousands — and then to pay for their NATO defense even a century later. And then they have the temerity to cheat us further in trade

https://ronaldyatesbooks.com/2018/10/everyone-is-smart-except-donald-trump-rabbi-dov-fischer/?fbclid=IwAR3Jx-mRE57_6h6HJohlGZFktlAsZ5xaLBA6m7pcgyPB-8r7UR4-P8T-37s

Nice one Confederate... you are falling for another Jewish, war moggers, propaganda..........

"Who is Rabbi Dov Fischer? Rabbi Dov Fischer is an attorney and adjunct professor of law, a Senior Rabbinic Fellow at the Coalition for Jewish Values, congregational rabbi of Young Israel of Orange County, California, and holds prominent leadership roles in several national rabbinic and other Jewish organizations."

1: NATO was created, by the USA, to protect the Western European countries from the Bolshevik "perceived aggression", advertised and promoted by the Jew Banksters.

2: Today NATO is used by the USA, France and UK to pursuit their own Foreign Policies around the world, attacking various countries and bypassing the UN SECURITY COUNCIL, where the Russians have a VETO. That was made clear from the attack and invasion of Iraq or you forgot about it?

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS SIMPLE: The USA has bases all over the world to pursuit it's own interests. If you read the history, after the WWII, the USSR was not financially strong enough to pursuit the same aggressive policies, like the USA and it's Allies. In reality Stalin had to keep his agreement for spheres influence signed in October 1944 with Churchill due to his impossible financial position USSR was at the time.

REMEMBER the USA entered the WWII, in Europe, in 1943 where their main jobs were to establish their presence and to entertain the English lonely ladies....while their men were fighting, before taking part in the Invasion.

Just for your information.... please watch this Video and you may understand a lot regarding Germany after WWII, were until now you have over 40 Army Bases in operation. What is the purpose of these bases other than keeping an eye in their German colony and establish and continue up to date the Iron Curtain excuse to continue the support of your main industrial Defence industry .... to keep the boat afloat?

Germany's sovereignty restricted by US and allies?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGjkQAa9I34

Now if you "speak German" you can buy this book and read all about it!

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51PwbLzxH8L.jpg)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/390247534X/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i0

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2018, 09:57:22 AM

Wiz it’s pretty easy to see you didn’t read the article I posted. The Rabbi I quoted did not agree with Bush Jr’s decision to invade Iraq therefore he’s not a warmonger. Your bias is showing, next time read an article before passing judgment.

quote:
"The Bushes got us into all kinds of messes. The first one killed the economic miracle that Reagan had fashioned. The second one screwed up the Middle East, where Iraq and Iran beautifully were engaged in killing each other for years, and he got us mired into the middle of the muddle. Clinton was too busy with Monica Lewinsky to protect us from Osama bin Laden when we had him in our sights. Hillary gave us Benghazi and more. And Obama and Kerry gave us the Iran Deal, ISIS run amok, America in retreat. All to the daily praise of a media who now attack Trump every minute of every day."

More and more you remind me of Don Quixote. We happen to like President Trump over here. He’s actually resisted the criticism of warmongers, hopefully he resists their efforts to start a conflict with Iran.

I’m mostly focused on domestic policy and him appointing Conservative judges.

Perhaps a sign of sanity is accepting reality as it is. Therefore I suggest you acquaint yourself with the serenity prayer.

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

In regards NATO it’s the European leaders who want it, they just wanted us to pay for most of it, those days are over.

As far as Stalin and the Soviet Union goes I was a big fan of General Patton and I agree 100% with him, we should have pushed the Russians all the way back to Russia and kept Eastern Europe free and prosperous. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 04, 2018, 12:10:11 PM

This is in an interesting video, short and simple about immigration.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 04, 2018, 12:24:34 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 04, 2018, 12:10:11 PM

This is in an interesting video, short and simple about immigration.

AvHdB

What in the hell does that film have to do with immigration?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 04, 2018, 12:39:16 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 04, 2018, 12:24:34 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 04, 2018, 12:10:11 PM
This is in an interesting video, short and simple about immigration.

AvHdB

What in the hell does that film have to do with immigration?

My excuse! I noticed I pasted an entirely different link in! Odd I can not find the exact same link even in my history, but found one close.

Here is another video.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 04, 2018, 04:47:05 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 04, 2018, 09:57:22 AM

Wiz it’s pretty easy to see you didn’t read the article I posted. The Rabbi I quoted did not agree with Bush Jr’s decision to invade Iraq therefore he’s not a warmonger. Your bias is showing, next time read an article before passing judgment.

quote:
"The Bushes got us into all kinds of messes. The first one killed the economic miracle that Reagan had fashioned. The second one screwed up the Middle East, where Iraq and Iran beautifully were engaged in killing each other for years, and he got us mired into the middle of the muddle. Clinton was too busy with Monica Lewinsky to protect us from Osama bin Laden when we had him in our sights. Hillary gave us Benghazi and more. And Obama and Kerry gave us the Iran Deal, ISIS run amok, America in retreat. All to the daily praise of a media who now attack Trump every minute of every day."

I never thought you will be so naive to believe all that clap trap by the clever Jew Rabbi Dov Fischer who is an attorney and adjunct professor of law! Actually the Jews are very clever and have lot's of experience to play well political games and always be on the winning side at the end. Did you really think all Jews will support only Hillary and not Trump too?

Quote from: Confederate on November 04, 2018, 09:57:22 AM

More and more you remind me of Don Quixote. We happen to like President Trump over here. He’s actually resisted the criticism of warmongers, hopefully he resists their efforts to start a conflict with Iran.

I’m mostly focused on domestic policy and him appointing Conservative judges.

Perhaps a sign of sanity is accepting reality as it is. Therefore I suggest you acquaint yourself with the serenity prayer.

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

Well if you read the whole article....... it's pretty obvious that he is buttering Trumps backside........so to be in his good books.

American's always were focused on internal matters so I suggest stick to the same racktics you know and let us foreigners to observe the international politics .

As about your prays, maybe you need them to go to sleep like all other religious sheeple in the US!

Quote from: Confederate on November 04, 2018, 09:57:22 AM

In regards NATO it’s the European leaders who want it, they just wanted us to pay for most of it, those days are over.

As far as Stalin and the Soviet Union goes I was a big fan of General Patton and I agree 100% with him, we should have pushed the Russians all the way back to Russia and kept Eastern Europe free and prosperous. :coffeeread:

it's always good to read history and understand it!

May I remind you that the Russians were first to arrive in Berlin at the end of WWII... and had to wait, as promised to you for a couple of days, instead of taking over Berlin completely, but Stalin kept his word to FR. :nod:

And what did you and the Britts did in Berlin?

Wait for me to post the next article to learn the truth about the Berlin wall!!

Have a nice day my friend... :ROFL: tiphat :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2018, 05:14:45 PM

Quote from: Wiz on November 04, 2018, 04:47:05 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 04, 2018, 09:57:22 AM
Wiz it’s pretty easy to see you didn’t read the article I posted. The Rabbi I quoted did not agree with Bush Jr’s decision to invade Iraq therefore he’s not a warmonger. Your bias is showing, next time read an article before passing judgment.

quote:
"The Bushes got us into all kinds of messes. The first one killed the economic miracle that Reagan had fashioned. The second one screwed up the Middle East, where Iraq and Iran beautifully were engaged in killing each other for years, and he got us mired into the middle of the muddle. Clinton was too busy with Monica Lewinsky to protect us from Osama bin Laden when we had him in our sights. Hillary gave us Benghazi and more. And Obama and Kerry gave us the Iran Deal, ISIS run amok, America in retreat. All to the daily praise of a media who now attack Trump every minute of every day."

I never thought you will be so naive to believe all that clap trap by the clever Jew Rabbi Dov Fischer who is an attorney and adjunct professor of law! Actually the Jews are very clever and have lot's of experience to play well political games and always be on the winning side at the end. Did you really think all Jews will support only Hillary and not Trump too?

Quote from: Confederate on November 04, 2018, 09:57:22 AM
More and more you remind me of Don Quixote. We happen to like President Trump over here. He’s actually resisted the criticism of warmongers, hopefully he resists their efforts to start a conflict with Iran.

I’m mostly focused on domestic policy and him appointing Conservative judges.

Perhaps a sign of sanity is accepting reality as it is. Therefore I suggest you acquaint yourself with the serenity prayer.

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

Well if you read the whole article....... it's pretty obvious that he is buttering Trumps backside........so to be in his good books.

American's always were focused on internal matters so I suggest stick to the same racktics you know and let us foreigners to observe the international politics.

Let Europeans deal with International politics? That's worked out real well hasn't it? It's like letting children play in a fireworks factory with real matches.

Quote from: Confederate on November 04, 2018, 09:57:22 AM

In regards NATO it’s the European leaders who want it, they just wanted us to pay for most of it, those days are over.

As far as Stalin and the Soviet Union goes I was a big fan of General Patton and I agree 100% with him, we should have pushed the Russians all the way back to Russia and kept Eastern Europe free and prosperous. :coffeeread:

Quote from: Wiz on November 04, 2018, 04:47:05 PM

It's always good to read history and understand it!

May I remind you that the Russians were first to arrive in Berlin at the end of WWII... and had to wait, as promised to you for a couple of days, instead of taking over Berlin completely, but Stalin kept his word to FR. :nod:

We were diverted thru Italy and for no good reason, we could have been to Berlin much sooner than the Soviets.

Oh well, have fun attacking windmills Don Quixote. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 04, 2018, 05:19:25 PM

The troops readying the border. President Trumps no nonsense approach.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 04, 2018, 05:30:44 PM

Another massive crowd to see President Trump. Hope the Republicans get the same enthusiasm come Tuesday.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2018, 08:50:47 AM

Megyn Kelly was just released by NBC for less than this. But it's okay, Don Lemon is a "liberal".

https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/navy-seal-torches-don-lemon-demands-fired?fbclid=IwAR1_8Z29UjSam78xCE-r9SRnDF1Hb6SUccDX78F2tTpHFycHas-YMdZ9Qsk

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2018, 08:57:37 AM

Last Ditch efforts by both Obama and President Trump.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/nov/05/midterm-elections-2018-latest-live-news-updates-trump-obama-democrats-republicans-today

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 05, 2018, 09:07:39 AM

Understanding the mentality of the ruling class.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 05, 2018, 10:48:47 AM

I have a lifetime subscription to Jim Rickards "Strategic Intelligence Report"

This is his latest Marketing Teaser - bottom line NO Blue Wave:

https://pro.agorafinancial.com/p/rit_midtermpp_1118/ERITUB05/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 05, 2018, 05:34:58 PM

Kavanaugh surprise up date about Mrs. Ford.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/kavanaugh-reports-biggest-bombshells-grassley-probe-reveals-details-behind-mistaken-identity-claims-more/ar-BBPnxwZ?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 05, 2018, 10:20:06 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrSP_00UwAACLRw.jpg:large)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on November 06, 2018, 12:43:06 PM

Not a fan of Colbert, but he hosted Triumph for some 'election coverage' which is pretty funny. Good way to pass the time as we await midterm results anyway.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 06, 2018, 01:44:05 PM

So who's going to call it?

Will Trump come out from this election stronger or will he be getting marginalised?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2018, 02:20:57 PM

Quote from: rosco on November 06, 2018, 01:44:05 PM

So who's going to call it?

Will Trump come out from this election stronger or will he be getting marginalised?

Stronger. We hope...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 06, 2018, 02:49:30 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 06, 2018, 02:20:57 PM

Quote from: rosco on November 06, 2018, 01:44:05 PM
So who's going to call it?

Will Trump come out from this election stronger or will he be getting marginalised?

Stronger. We hope...

I have always voted as an independent. Today is the first time I voted a strict party ticket (Republican)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 06, 2018, 04:34:51 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 06, 2018, 02:49:30 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 06, 2018, 02:20:57 PM
Quote from: rosco on November 06, 2018, 01:44:05 PM
So who's going to call it?

Will Trump come out from this election stronger or will he be getting marginalised?

Stronger. We hope...

I have always voted as an independent. Today is the first time I voted a strict party ticket (Republican)

I’d like to see Trump come out of this stronger.

For no reason other than to make a massive point to the liberals. 2 years of obsession, lies, propaganda and abuse from all liberal quarters and all they did was make him stronger.

Ideally from there, it would be great if the left would walk back to the table like an adult and debate and reason against Trump and other conservatives. It would be more constructive, more respectful and it’s the best way to win votes.....point out real facts and tell the truth!

Who would’ve thunk it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2018, 04:53:47 PM

Quote from: rosco on November 06, 2018, 04:34:51 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 06, 2018, 02:49:30 PM
Quote from: Confederate on November 06, 2018, 02:20:57 PM
Quote from: rosco on November 06, 2018, 01:44:05 PM
So who's going to call it?

Will Trump come out from this election stronger or will he be getting marginalised?

Stronger. We hope...

I have always voted as an independent. Today is the first time I voted a strict party ticket (Republican)

I’d like to see Trump come out of this stronger.

For no reason other than to make a massive point to the liberals. 2 years of obsession, lies, propaganda and abuse from all liberal quarters and all they did was make him stronger.

Ideally from there, it would be great if the left would walk back to the table like an adult and debate and reason against Trump and other conservatives. It would be more constructive, more respectful and it’s the best way to win votes.....point out real facts and tell the truth!

The left has painted themselves into a corner with their sheer lunacy, I don’t know how the USA will ever get back to normal without a civil war or Trump doing what Abe Lincoln did and suspending the Constitution, shutting down some media outlets and hanging some traitors for treason. Literally. :coffeeread:

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/execution-lincoln-conspirators-1865/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2018, 05:40:24 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 06, 2018, 04:53:47 PM

Quote from: rosco on November 06, 2018, 04:34:51 PM
Quote from: yankee on November 06, 2018, 02:49:30 PM
Quote from: Confederate on November 06, 2018, 02:20:57 PM
Quote from: rosco on November 06, 2018, 01:44:05 PM
So who's going to call it?

Will Trump come out from this election stronger or will he be getting marginalised?

Stronger. We hope...

I have always voted as an independent. Today is the first time I voted a strict party ticket (Republican)

I’d like to see Trump come out of this stronger.

For no reason other than to make a massive point to the liberals. 2 years of obsession, lies, propaganda and abuse from all liberal quarters and all they did was make him stronger.

Ideally from there, it would be great if the left would walk back to the table like an adult and debate and reason against Trump and other conservatives. It would be more constructive, more respectful and it’s the best way to win votes.....point out real facts and tell the truth!

The left has painted themselves into a corner with their sheer lunacy, I don’t know how the USA will ever get back to normal without a civil war or Trump doing what Abe Lincoln did and suspending the Constitution, shutting down some media outlets and hanging some traitors for treason. Literally. :coffeeread:

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/execution-lincoln-conspirators-1865/

After a good civil war, we can go back to a sane civil society where only men are allowed to vote. Can you imagine how great that would be?

I really love Ann Coulter’s opinion on this:

If we took away women’s right to vote, we’d never have to worry about another Democrat [sic] president. It’s kind of a pipe dream, it’s a personal fantasy of mine, but I don’t think it’s going to happen. And it is a good way of making the point that women are voting so stupidly, at least single women.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2018, 05:43:32 PM

So usually about this time Democrat’s are leading in the polls, until about 5 pm when Republicans start getting off of work and going to the polls and voting. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 06, 2018, 07:22:22 PM

Stormy Daniels gets bill from trump. :ROFL:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/stormy-daniels-blasts-trumps-staggering-request-for-nearly-dollar350000-in-legal-fees/ar-BBPq6vN?li=AA5a8k&ocid=SK216DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 06, 2018, 10:14:12 PM

Dems have the House and Republicans the Senate.

The drums of approaching civil war and beating stronger. The United States is becoming less United.

No surprises but nothing good, except we will get the unfortunate clown show that is Maxine Water - the unfortunate display of the worst aspects of the bell curve, a woman who'd be a genius among bushmen in the Kalahari but is just a destructive imbecile in her current environment. A tool of forces of which she has no comprehension.

Next few years are going to be even more troublesome for the civilised world.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2018, 10:41:03 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 06, 2018, 10:14:12 PM

Dems have the House and Republicans the Senate.

The drums of approaching civil war are beating stronger. The United States is becoming less United.

No surprises but nothing good, except we will get the unfortunate clown show that is Maxine Water - the unfortunate display of the worst aspects of the bell curve, a woman who'd be a genius among bushmen in the Kalahari but is just a destructive imbecile in her current environment. A tool of forces of which she has no comprehension.

Next few years are going to be even more troublesome for the civilised world.

A very good summary about Waters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 06, 2018, 11:12:02 PM

The Euro wet dream of the demise of the USA and twits like Macron saying they need to get an EU army to defend against the USA are delirious - the EU is occupied by the US Controlled NATO for a very good reason - we are not shipping millions of young men over their again to be buried in Normandy ever again. Things on the ground in the USA are booming and getting better - the Dems now have a little power back in the house not unlike Ronald Reagan working with Tip O'Neil. The wet dream of a USA civil war will be on the damn dumb dems backs if they lose their minds and the US Military, National Guard and LEOs are stronger than any time during the hate America First Clinton-Obamunists reign of war and horror.

Trump won HUGE in the Senate with 5 pickups (Possibly 6 with McSally in AZ) including Florida Senate and Governor - a nice number of GOP Governors, no never Trumpers except for that arrogant phock Romney back in Utah. Of course, so-called suburban educated white women were true to their feminist SJW brainwashing and voted against their own best interests as usual dumb stubborn bishes are wont to do.

As much as I hate to say it Pelosi sounded conciliatory and mentioned healthcare and infrastructure/jobs several times, of course, Pelosi, Nadler, Schiff and Maxine Waters will not be able to help themselves and will give Trump an endless supply of soundbites, and be the perfect foils for Trump to mount a mega KAG campaign in 2020 so may yet be a silver lining in the House Cloud. If they pass dumb shite it will get shot down in the Senate and of course, Trump can get out his Veto pen and the Dems know it.

Laughing at the hate America first Globalist (((Billionaires))) Bloomberg, Soros, Steyer that pumped $70 Million into Beto Beta O'Rourke and $100 Million into the Florida Governors and Senate and many nationwide house races. The Blue Wave they bought and paid for ran into the Kavanaugh Red Firewall in the Senate - only Dem who voted for Kavanaugh - Joe Manchin won and all the rest LOST BIGLY. So open field running to pick real conservative Supreme Court and Federal judges - Flakey Flake and McCain puppet Corker etc., never Trumpers all GONE.

Need to pass the 10% middle-class tax cut in the lame duck session and work on nationwide competitive healthcare and infrastructure bills. Lindsey Graham stated if the Demoncrats try to investigate (Trump and Kavanaugh) versus legislate they will get hammered in the Senate and shut down. All in all 80% of a loaf is better than half a loaf or no loaf at all and not too bad for a midterm election. Trump plays these Dems for the Socialist-Marxist-Communist Clinton-Obamunist fools they are and gives them a few crumbs but keeps moving forward our Patriots America First Agenda forward we should be able to win back the House and add to the Senate in 2020.

Now that we own the Senate China will be begging to sign a fair and reciprocal trade deal before their economy crashes another 30% in addition to the 30% they are down. All good at the end of a long day.

Hope Jeff Sessions resigns as AG and we can put a real Pro Trump pit bull in place to weed out the rest of the FBI-DOJ CIA Deepstate Obama embedded holdovers and run serious antitrust on Google-Youtube Facebook-Instagram, Apple and the Twottering Twits at Twitter not to mention the lamestream media globalists.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 07, 2018, 12:48:22 AM

Not a lot of realism from Mikey

America is deeply polarised and if 'Trampu' doesn't move to the centre ground there is going to be a lot of pain.

When his support finally wakes up, the divisive chap will be history and someone with a clue can get around to undoing the damage he has done, esp. relations with 'allies'

Great result...he will be slowed down.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2018, 04:51:00 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 07, 2018, 12:48:22 AM

Not a lot of realism from Mikey

America is deeply polarised and if 'Trampu' doesn't move to the centre ground there is going to be a lot of pain.

When his support finally wakes up, the divisive chap will be history and someone with a clue can get around to undoing the damage he has done, esp. relations with 'allies'

Great result...he will be slowed down.

Damage to “allies”?

You freeloading *snip* cousins can fkuc off, pay your own defense and burn in the hell you’ve created for yourselves over there in Sharia land.

Meanwhile Poland and a few others retain some sanity against the likes of your ilk.

https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/10/poland-will-not-sign-un-migration-treaty-we-want-poles-to-be-safe-in-their-country/?fbclid=IwAR0-2EJPo-i24qvsnAOfpjPxB4EpaWSULw5EadJrutKQJWwzGN5vBlaQI44#.W8Dm4OQXUeg.twitter

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 07, 2018, 06:35:30 AM

Guys it is hard to tell what I going to happen from here. This will change the Dems attitude also but it is hard to tell by how much yet. If they want to get anything done and not lose the house in two years they will need to work with republicans more. If they are perceived to be giving the president an un reasonable hard time it may not go so well in the future. They even lost seats in the Senate. So there victory came with a piece of humble pie.

During the Clinton days the GOP started to impeach Clinton. It did not go well for the GOP and the voters gave the house to the Dems. If the Dems try this and/or other crazy stuff the same thing will likely happen. I am sure they know it.

The really big lost for the GOP is suburban women. Trump's image with them will need to improve if they want to get the house back and for him to get reelected.

RUA seems to be one of the most negative group of people on the planet that I have ever known. Everything is always bad, doom and gloom or some type of evil conspiracy. Don't any of you guys ever read anything positive????

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 07, 2018, 07:46:41 AM

My guess 'The Art of the Deal' will take on a new meaning.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 07, 2018, 08:34:17 AM

The house republicans didn't really get anything done, so I don't think it's going to be much difference.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 07, 2018, 08:45:13 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2018, 04:51:00 AM

You freeloading *snip* cousins can fkuc off, pay your own defense and burn in the hell you’ve created for yourselves over there in Sharia land.

Meanwhile Poland and a few others retain some sanity against the likes of your ilk.

(https://www.memesmonkey.com/images/memesmonkey/88/88ca0be7428f7bbe1dacd31f4972a58a.png)

Thank you for your friendly and polite orders. Not surprised for the tone, as we are used to hear it for many decades now.

I must tell you that our countries are much safer without your interference and meddling into our internal affairs and will be more prosperous if you move youf Fcuking arses, bases and army out of our civilised European countries.

Your Mafia gangster country has nothing to teach or offer us....... and you can insulate yourselves inside your lovely country.

(http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Other_images/bullshit.jpg)

Nastarovya (http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/bye.gif)

:evilgrin0002:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 07, 2018, 08:57:19 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 07, 2018, 06:35:30 AM

Guys it is hard to tell what I going to happen from here. This will change the Dems attitude also but it is hard to tell by how much yet. If they want to get anything done and not lose the house in two years they will need to work with republicans more. If they are perceived to be giving the president an un reasonable hard time it may not go so well in the future. They even lost seats in the Senate. So there victory came with a piece of humble pie.

During the Clinton days the GOP started to impeach Clinton. It did not go well for the GOP and the voters gave the house to the Dems. If the Dems try this and/or other crazy stuff the same thing will likely happen. I am sure they know it.

The really big lost for the GOP is suburban women. Trump's image with them will need to improve if they want to get the house back and for him to get reelected.

RUA seems to be one of the most negative group of people on the planet that I have ever known. Everything is always bad, doom and gloom or some type of evil conspiracy. Don't any of you guys ever read anything positive????

May I kindly ask you to put your own house in order first and then start criticizing the members over here and our comments for your country.

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 07, 2018, 08:59:42 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 07, 2018, 06:35:30 AM

RUA seems to be one of the most negative group of people on the planet that I have ever known. Everything is always bad, doom and gloom or some type of evil conspiracy. Don't any of you guys ever read anything positive????

It's just a few bad apples or dudes off their rocker who forgot their meds.

Wiz you need to go live in California for a while and smoke the good bong and all will be well.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 07, 2018, 09:22:17 AM

Quote from: Guile on November 07, 2018, 08:59:42 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 07, 2018, 06:35:30 AM

RUA seems to be one of the most negative group of people on the planet that I have ever known. Everything is always bad, doom and gloom or some type of evil conspiracy. Don't any of you guys ever read anything positive????

It's just a few bad apples or dudes off their rocker who forgot their meds.

Wiz you need to go live in California for a while and smoke the good bong and all will be well.

:ROFL: :thumbsup: Wiz, Some good advice. Av

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 07, 2018, 09:35:31 AM

Quote from: Guile on November 07, 2018, 08:59:42 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 07, 2018, 06:35:30 AM

RUA seems to be one of the most negative group of people on the planet that I have ever known. Everything is always bad, doom and gloom or some type of evil conspiracy. Don't any of you guys ever read anything positive????

It's just a few bad apples or dudes off their rocker who forgot their meds.

Wiz you need to go live in California for a while and smoke the good bong and all will be well.

I have already been there in 2005 and smelled the clear sea air...... ;D

On the other hand it is not our problem that our american friends are intellectually and mentally challenged and can't debate any subject in a civilised manner because their "SUPERIORITY" complex..........that they have been programised.

just for your information.... I was a smoker for 50 years and I have never tried any of the grass you have been accustomed for many decades!

I prefer another bonk :thumbsup: and not the "good bong" that you seem to like! :P

:ROFL: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 07, 2018, 09:40:55 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 07, 2018, 12:48:22 AM

Not a lot of realism from Mikey

America is deeply polarised and if 'Trampu' doesn't move to the centre ground there is going to be a lot of pain.

When his support finally wakes up, the divisive chap will be history and someone with a clue can get around to undoing the damage he has done, esp. relations with 'allies'

Great result...he will be slowed down.

Got to love the Catholic Irish American hating Orangeman Mobster... the USA and Markets LOVE gridlock and Pelosi already adopted a conciliatory tone as the Hosue comes and goes every two years whereas the Senate is where the real power is and they stay for 6 full years - Go Figure Trump has a Full +6 seats solid 6 year FIREWALL of POWER in the Senate and that is how many more years he will be in office... The Genius of Trump.

SanFranNan plays to her kookie left coasters but is no dumb Itai woman she has amassed a $100M fortune without the Clinton investigations and crime cartel. She wants to get the money flowing to health care and infrastructure construction and supply chain industries to the tune of Trillion$. So she will force compromise like a Mafia Don's mother.

This is the best outcome possible in these midterms for Trump a pro Trump Powerblock Firewall in the Senate that can crush any House lunacy - a literal Mexicanifornia standoff. So COMPROMISE will now rule the day and Trump has been dealing with corrupt inept NYC Dems as bad or worse than the rest for his entire life yet he knows how to get things done without going to jail.

LMAORAOTFL Its going to be a great 6-year ride with Trump - the economy is so good you can tell contract tech agencies terms rates and they almost immediately agree.

Mobster blowtificating about the USA is like me giving advice on how to operate in Post Olympics Sochi - without actually being on the ground there... basically would be CLUELESS just like the Soochee Mobster.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 07, 2018, 09:44:16 AM

No need to debate anything. Greece almost went under with their debts to the EU. Basically your whole country almost defaulted. Game over.

As for "bonk" I don't know what you're talking about but I sure hope it ain't the Greek variety. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 07, 2018, 09:52:08 AM

Quote from: Guile on November 07, 2018, 09:44:16 AM

No need to debate anything. Greece almost went under with their debts to the EU. Basically your whole country almost defaulted. Game over.

As for "bonk" I don't know what you're talking about but I sure hope it ain't the Greek variety. :ROFL:

I suspect the Urban Dictionary can be your friend. But for some one who has spent time in the UK I am surprised that you do not know the expression.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 07, 2018, 10:06:06 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 07, 2018, 09:52:08 AM

I suspect the Urban Dictionary can be your friend. But for some one who has spent time in the UK I am surprised that you do not know the expression.

haha is this what old men call it? Seeing as Wiz is about 4 decades older than me. AVHB I don't know how old you are but I suspect you are closer to retiring age than college grad.

My friends in the UK would say "shag", as in "fancy a shag with that top bird". no one in my age group said "bonk", maybe it's for old people.

Now you don't want me to go all street on you bruv. Out here in Compton we be aight dawg. Homeboy gonna get medieval on you whack.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 07, 2018, 10:11:21 AM

AvHvBcDz- you one of them Debbie downer types. always making these passive-aggresive weird comments.

There was a Dutch guy at my school once doing a swap program. If I recall he was a bit odd too. Is that something that runs in the culture?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 07, 2018, 10:14:52 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 07, 2018, 09:40:55 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 07, 2018, 12:48:22 AM
Not a lot of realism from Mikey

America is deeply polarised and if 'Trampu' doesn't move to the centre ground there is going to be a lot of pain.

When his support finally wakes up, the divisive chap will be history and someone with a clue can get around to undoing the damage he has done, esp. relations with 'allies'

Great result...he will be slowed down.

Got to love the Catholic Irish American hating Orangeman Mobster... the USA and Markets LOVE gridlock and Pelosi already adopted a conciliatory tone as the Hosue comes and goes every two years whereas the Senate is where the real power is and they stay for 6 full years - Go Figure Trump has a Full +6 seats solid 6 year FIREWALL of POWER in the Senate and that is how many more years he will be in office... The Genius of Trump.

SanFranNan plays to her kookie left coasters but is no dumb Itai woman she has amassed a $100M fortune without the Clinton investigations and crime cartel. She wants to get the money flowing to health care and infrastructure construction and supply chain industries to the tune of Trillion$. So she will force compromise like a Mafia Don's mother.

This is the best outcome possible in these midterms for Trump a pro Trump Powerblock Firewall in the Senate that can crush any House lunacy - a literal Mexicanifornia standoff. So COMPROMISE will now rule the day and Trump has been dealing with corrupt inept NYC Dems as bad or worse than the rest for his entire life yet he knows how to get things done without going to jail.

LMAORAOTFL Its going to be a great 6-year ride with Trump - the economy is so good you can tell contract tech agencies terms rates and they almost immediately agree.

Mobster blowtificating about the USA is like me giving advice on how to operate in Post Olympics Sochi - without actually being on the ground there... basically would be CLUELESS just like the Soochee Mobster.

Wiz we actually agree on the topic of the Globalists Zionist Banksters but calling the US a Superiority Complex is hilariously Rich coming from a resident of U-Sharia-K who invented the legendary British Air of Superiority.
Yeah Yeah I know your are the Great Greek bla bla bla. We have a large community of prosperous Greek Americans in our area and though we get along fine being some sort of Christians they like you can become insufferable when they get on their Great legend of Greek Superiority for having created Rome, Europe and all of Modern Civilization.

Fact is the USA understands the wisdom of the ancients and peace through strength. The USA has built and maintains the largest conventional and nuclear military on the planet. Oh and that missing $21 Trillion in HUD and DoD diverted for National Security in addition to the $21 Trillion National Debt and $200 Trillion so-called unfunded liabilities ... Google Roger Malcolm Mitchell on Monetary Sovereignty - then - Google Clif High on night vision goggles, TR3B, TR3E ARVs and Spacecraft Carriers - news flash the Space Force already exists and we have technology 50 to 100 years ahead of the rest of the world. Fact is we easily attract the greatest minds on the planet and we are superior in many demonstrable technological ways - so for our cousins across the pond Deal with it - Get over it - Lead, Follow or Get out of our way.

Of course, you are quite superior with your La Dolce Vita lifestyle and 2 month vacations on the Mediterraneo, multiple FSU mistresses, age 55 Full Retirement and cradle to grave health care and guaranteed Euros income for life is hard to beat - so we have to work twice as hard here in the USA to buy your exports and pay for your lovely lives of leisure. Win Win. Until your debt bombs turn into bail-ins, hey none of us are perfect.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 07, 2018, 10:15:22 AM

yeah you're about 60, almost twice my age. Figures that's how you would talk.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 07, 2018, 10:17:39 AM

I'm trying to think what exports from Greece are worthwhile. All I can come up with is feta cheese :8) Love me some Greek salad though.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 07, 2018, 10:41:51 AM

Quote from: Wiz on November 07, 2018, 09:35:31 AM

I have already been there in 2005 and smelled the clear sea air...... ;D

I didn't know California was next to a sea unless you mean the Pacific Ocean :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 07, 2018, 10:44:37 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 06, 2018, 07:22:22 PM

Stormy Daniels gets bill from trump. :ROFL:

The beauty of that is that all those folks that donated to Stormy's "GoFundMe" basically gave money to Donald Trump. :chuckle:

Meanwhile, Trump paid Stormy $125K and Bill Clinton paid Paula Jones $850K, proving that The Don is a vastly superior deal-maker. :chuckle:

Quote from: cufflinks on November 06, 2018, 11:12:02 PM

The Euro wet dream of the demise of the USA and twits like Macron saying they need to get an EU army to defend against the USA are delirious

The EU need to be more worried about getting ass-raped by their Islamic soon-to-be overlords.

Quote from: cufflinks on November 06, 2018, 11:12:02 PM

Things on the ground in the USA are booming and getting better - the Dems now have a little power back in the house not unlike Ronald Reagan working with Tip O'Neil.

Not sure Nancy is the same type of deal-maker as Tip, although the Dems losing their minds on investigation and impeachment will only energize the GOP base for 2020.

Quote from: cufflinks on November 06, 2018, 11:12:02 PM

Trump won HUGE in the Senate with 5 pickups (Possibly 6 with McSally in AZ) including Florida Senate and Governor - a nice number of GOP Governors, no never Trumpers except for that arrogant phock Romney back in Utah. Of course, so-called suburban educated white women were true to their feminist SJW brainwashing and voted against their own best interests as usual dumb stubborn bishes are wont to do.

I think the best case is net +3 from where we are (51 + FL, ND, IN. Hold AZ and the special election in MS, lose (Dem hold) in MT, lose (Dem gain) in NV). 54-46 is still pretty big, though.

Mittens will at least vote the right way.

Quote from: cufflinks on November 06, 2018, 11:12:02 PM

As much as I hate to say it Pelosi sounded conciliatory and mentioned healthcare and infrastructure/jobs several times, of course, Pelosi, Nadler, Schiff and Maxine Waters will not be able to help themselves and will give Trump an endless supply of soundbites, and be the perfect foils for Trump to mount a mega KAG campaign in 2020 so may yet be a silver lining in the House Cloud. If they pass dumb shite it will get shot down in the Senate and of course, Trump can get out his Veto pen and the Dems know it.

Trump is going to do a lot more executive orders now. He should also keep Congress in session while the GOP still has the majority and FUND THE GAWDDAM WALL! :chuckle:

Quote from: cufflinks on November 06, 2018, 11:12:02 PM

Joe Manchin

The GOP just has to wait around for Joe to retire, and then NOT run a weirdo against Jones in Alabama.

Quote from: cufflinks on November 06, 2018, 11:12:02 PM

Hope Jeff Sessions resigns as AG and we can put a real Pro Trump pit bull in place to weed out the rest of the FBI-DOJ CIA Deepstate

Bill Casey, an Evil Genius if ever there was one, said >30 years ago that any president NEEDS to have their own guy at CIA and DOJ. Bush2 didn't at CIA and Trump in effect did not at DOJ because Sessions recuses himself - they should have run him as a write in Alabama, appointed a new guy at at DOJ and closed down the Mueller Persecution. 32 years after he's dead, Casey is still smarter than 90% of pols.

Quote from: Guile on November 07, 2018, 10:06:06 AM

Wiz

I am reminded how much the "ignore" function can improve the RUA experience. :chuckle:

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 07, 2018, 10:47:17 AM

So here is the important thing that everyone missed last night:

Florida restored the right to vote to felons. What that means is, the Dems just gained close to a million voters.

Unless the GOP (which controls the FL legislature and Governorship) can reverse that, the Dems are basically going to win every presidential election for the foreseeable future.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2018, 10:48:49 AM

Quote from: Wiz on November 07, 2018, 08:45:13 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2018, 04:51:00 AM

You freeloading *snip* cousins can fkuc off, pay your own defense and burn in the hell you’ve created for yourselves over there in Sharia land.

Meanwhile Poland and a few others retain some sanity against the likes of your ilk.

(https://www.memesmonkey.com/images/memesmonkey/88/88ca0be7428f7bbe1dacd31f4972a58a.png)

Thank you for your friendly and polite orders. Not surprised for the tone, as we are used to hear it for many decades now.

I must tell you that our countries are much safer without your interference and meddling into our internal affairs and will be more prosperous if you move youf Fcuking arses, bases and army out of our civilised European countries.

Your Mafia gangster country has nothing to teach or offer us....... and you can insulate yourselves inside your lovely country.

(http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Other_images/bullshit.jpg)

Nastarovya (http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/bye.gif)

:evilgrin0002:

Without our help you’d be speaking German, Seig heiling your German overlord and driving on the right side of the street. That last bit would obviously be an improvement.

As it is you fools will be begging for assistance (AGAIN) from your Uncle Candy when your London bunch get a dirty bomb.

In the meantime take your meds and get a nap.

https://www.alz.org/alzheimers-dementia/treatments/medications-for-memory

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2018, 10:55:06 AM

Quote from: Guile on November 07, 2018, 08:59:42 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 07, 2018, 06:35:30 AM

RUA seems to be one of the most negative group of people on the planet that I have ever known. Everything is always bad, doom and gloom or some type of evil conspiracy. Don't any of you guys ever read anything positive????

It's just a few bad apples or dudes off their rocker who forgot their meds.

Wiz you need to go live in California for a while and smoke the good bong and all will be well.

Wiz is in such bad shape I’m not even sure a bong enema would help the guy. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 07, 2018, 11:02:15 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 07, 2018, 08:34:17 AM

The house republicans didn't really get anything done, so I don't think it's going to be much difference.

I wouldn't give the Senate much credit either. I am a little bit one issue on this regarding "blue water sailors" being covered by the VA for Viet Nam (H.R. 299)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2018, 11:08:36 AM

Quote from: Guile on November 07, 2018, 10:11:21 AM

AvHvBcDz- you one of them Debbie downer types. always making these passive-aggresive weird comments.

There was a Dutch guy at my school once doing a swap program. If I recall he was a bit odd too. Is that something that runs in the culture?

Bingo! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2018, 11:10:30 AM

Quote from: Guile on November 07, 2018, 10:17:39 AM

I'm trying to think what exports from Greece are worthwhile. All I can come up with is feta cheese :8) Love me some Greek salad though.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2018, 12:13:59 PM

Quote from: B.B. on November 07, 2018, 10:47:17 AM

So here is the important thing that everyone missed last night:

Florida restored the right to vote to felons. What that means is, the Dems just gained close to a million voters.

Unless the GOP (which controls the FL legislature and Governorship) can reverse that, the Dems are basically going to win every presidential election for the foreseeable future.

B/B

This is very worrisome. What kind of lunatics would want to give the right to vote to convicted felons? Oh, never mind.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2018, 12:33:58 PM

Well the really good news is that every single candidate that B. Hussein Obama endorsed and stumped for lost! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2018, 01:05:10 PM

AG Sessions has resigned, at the request of President Trump.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jeff-sessions-resigns-as-attorney-general?fbclid=IwAR0XulzfMW-ycYliXMiYjdFSmC2Nkb6qCuTjgF00F0Mxlsxqf8IaNrllGXw

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 07, 2018, 01:29:36 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2018, 10:55:06 AM

Wiz is in such bad shape I’m not even sure a bong enema would help the guy. :ROFL:

"bong enema" :laugh: I just about spit out my coffee!! then he'd literally be blowing smoke up his ass...or is it the other way around?!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 07, 2018, 02:22:37 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 07, 2018, 09:40:55 AM

Got to love the Catholic Irish American hating Orangeman Mobster...

1/ I'm not an 'Orangeman' - I may have been born into a Protestant family - but have no wish to be identified with folk who celebrate a 'victory' over Catholics and dress up strangely

2/ I like America - nice to visit

3/ I married a Roman Catholic

Now we've got the loony 'prejudices out of the way - let's talk sensible ... Your President is divisive and making ALL the same mistakes that led to the depression and a World War - from 'isolationism' to trade wars.

Quote from: cufflinks on November 07, 2018, 09:40:55 AM

the USA and Markets LOVE gridlock and Pelosi already adopted a conciliatory tone as the Hosue comes and goes every two years whereas the Senate is where the real power is and they stay for 6 full years - Go Figure Trump has a Full +6 seats solid 6 year FIREWALL of POWER in the Senate and that is how many more years he will be in office... The Genius of Trump.

As *I* understand it - the Dems won the House of Representatives ... Please explain the 'genius' in losing complete control ?

Quote from: cufflinks on November 07, 2018, 09:40:55 AM

the Senate that can crush any House lunacy - a literal Mexicanifornia standoff. So COMPROMISE will now rule the day and Trump has been dealing with corrupt inept NYC Dems as bad or worse than the rest for his entire life yet he knows how to get things done without going to jail.

I've seen little compromise in US politics, recently - just confrontation - esp. under 'Trampu' - I guess he'll blame the Dems when the economy dips - as it will - I mean he's taken 'credit' for an up-turn taht all western nations had - irrespective of politics ;)

Quote from: cufflinks on November 07, 2018, 09:40:55 AM

LMAORAOTFL Its going to be a great 6-year ride with Trump - the economy is so good you can tell contract tech agencies terms rates and they almost immediately agree.

I hope you won't mind me reminding you of this in five years - our 'respective' Gods' willing ? ;)

Quote from: cufflinks on November 07, 2018, 09:40:55 AM

Mobster blowtificating about the USA is like me giving advice on how to operate in Post Olympics Sochi - without actually being on the ground there... basically would be CLUELESS just like the Soochee Mobster.

As ever, Mikey - thanks for point by point reasoned 'riposte'

I buy stuff from the USA on a regular basis ... 'tariff wars' will just hurt us all and NOT help the US worker - who is far more at risk from AI

Your 'sanctions' against Iran cut in and I had a few emails from UK couriers that can no longer supply there - so I guess the Russians, Chinese and companies will just fill the void..

Your man hasn't the first clue about Iran - his actions just make an unpopular govt more popular ... real .smart' and Oil prices are dropping ... as other nations pump MORE to take up any Iranian slack ..

It is a great shame to note long-term allies are ALL against US policy and arranging a vehicle to circumvent US sanctions

Your guy just makes the world a more dangerous place - with every "making America grate" policy howler ..((

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 07, 2018, 04:06:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2018, 01:05:10 PM

AG Sessions has resigned, at the request of President Trump.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jeff-sessions-resigns-as-attorney-general?fbclid=IwAR0XulzfMW-ycYliXMiYjdFSmC2Nkb6qCuTjgF00F0Mxlsxqf8IaNrllGXw

Trump had this planned for a while now you could see it building:

Dave Janda - Deep State Lashing Out Because it is Losing

The Logical Trumpian Plan of Attack:

1. Get reliable Conservative Patriots Majority on the SCOTUS.

2. Get more US Senate Patriots for a resilient US Senate Firewall - No Rinocucks.

3. Get a fighting Wartime Consigliere (New tough AG not compromised by the Deep State).

4. Take down as many Obamunist Deep State DEMs and RINOcucks as may be necessary.

5. Build a loyal Pro America Coalition (Cabinet - DoD-DoJ - MAGA Hatters Base of Reliable Support) I quietly donated.

6. Go Strong Antitrust against Silicon Valley Social Media and NYC/DC Globalists Media Networks.

7. Continue implementing the Trump MAGA Agenda Globally in a ruthless determined manner against Radical Islamists, Narco Terrorists, Eurocuck Globalists, Rockefeller-Rothschilds CFR Globalists Cucks, Chinese Freaking Red Communists and their Demoncrats on the CFRCs Marxist Socialist Espionage Payroll. Give our enemies around the world a Giant Corrective jerk like a choke chain on a disobedient Dobermann. Nuke a few of these phocks as an example if necessary like Give Em Hell Harry Truman - US Army Combat Captain in the WWI trenches and hardened warrior who Nuked Japan for the Bataan Death March and to end WWII with Unconditional Surrender.

8. Launch full speed Ahead KAG Campaign for 2020.

9. Cut the radical leftist Globalist Impeachers off at the Pass - most of these DEMs - Clintons, Obama and Minions could not survive a full FBI investigation and new Pro Trump Special Prosecutor inquisitions. Take down the (((Jillionaires))) including Bloomberg, Soros, Zuckerberg, Brin, et.al.

10. WIN WIN WIN and KEEP AMERICA GREAT for the Long Haul.

- 40K to 50K Deep State Sealed indictments - if you know the enemy is going to attack you at Pearl Harbor - you send out your Fast Attack Hunter Killers and sink their Nippon Rising Sun carriers.

Life is imitating art here - Godfather III Michael Corleone needed a wartime Consigliere (Lawyer) to crush his enemies and moved Tom out to run some Vegas properties and brought in real life fighters to the Death.

Mueller has sealed Sessions, Rosenstein and his own Deepstate fate when he Subpoenaed the Trump Organizations CFO and started rummaging through Trumps Businesses going back Decades to his father Fred Trumps Asset Protection and Inheritance Planning... Trump will go nuclear to Protect his Sons, His Empire and his legacy and now the full weight of Thor's Hammer wielded by a newly revived and energized Super Powerful President Trump is about to be used to smash the Clinton Obamunists Brennan Deepstaters that have really phocked with Trump committing complete sedition and treason in the process and about to be prosecuted for same to the benefit of the country...

Dave Janda - Deep State Lashing Out Because it is Losing

The only viable Defense is a vicious, sustained and extremely aggressive Offense.

Defense Defends - Offense WINS.

Expect Trump to go on full attack against the Deepstate Clinton-Obamunists and all their minions - FBI & DoJ Obama holdovers if for no other reason to get them on the run and protect his family's worldwide financial empire and MAGA Agenda we all know and love.

Its not personal its only Business.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2018, 05:30:46 PM

I love your posts Mr. Cufflinks they are truly unique, I’m just wondering did they put you on some sort of super drug after your car accident?

I meant to say before I certainly hope you received a good settlement and sorry you had to go through that ordeal.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 07, 2018, 05:40:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2018, 05:30:46 PM

I love your posts Mr. Cufflinks they are truly unique, I’m just wondering did they put you on some sort of super drug after your car accident?

I meant to say before I certainly hope you received a good settlement and sorry you had to go through that ordeal.

LOL I broke into their special supply of Red MAGA Pills and went hardcore Red Pill ever since I volunteered and worked with the US Secret Service during a Trump Rally in Nashua NH before the 2016 Primaries and was fascinated by the security protocols, sniffer dogs and the way the Secret Service in cases deferred to me on matters of politics while they focused on their mission protecting the future POTUS.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2018, 06:22:00 PM

Message from the White House and President Trump.

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The White House • November 7, 2018
President Trump’s message on last night’s midterms

Midterm elections are usually tough going for whichever party controls the White House. Over the previous 21 midterms, the president’s party has lost an average of four seats in the Senate. Only four times in that span has the president’s party gained seats in Congress’ upper chamber.

Last night, President Donald J. Trump and the Republican Party defied that history and expanded their Senate majority. Here are three key takeaways:
The President’s message resonates across the heartland. He held 30 rallies in the past 60 days, and “of the 11 candidates we campaigned with during the last week, nine won last night,” President Trump said today.

Across the country, in both Senate and House races, candidates who excelled embraced conservative messages of low taxes, low regulations, low crime, strong borders, and great judges. Candidates who struggled—including some Republicans—tried to distance themselves from these themes.

America’s economy is booming, and voters in working-class communities are taking notice. Record job growth, historically low unemployment, the return of American manufacturing, and renegotiated trade deals earned Republicans strong support everywhere from Florida to Ohio to North Dakota.
What’s next? President Trump made his priority clear in a press conference from the White House today. “Now is the time for members of both parties to join together, put partisanship aside, and keep the American economic miracle going strong,” he said, citing infrastructure, trade, and lowering the cost of prescription drugs as three areas he believes Democrats may want to work with Republicans.

Watch President Trump’s statement on last night’s midterm results

More: The President says put the American people first, not partisan politics

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President Trump’s unprecedented media access reveals just how important transparency is to this Administration’s success.

During today’s press conference, President Trump took 68 questions—from 35 different reporters. By contrast, former President Obama took 22 questions from 10 reporters during his press conference following the 2010 midterm elections.

CBS’ Major Garrett put it crisply: “There is more access to this president than Obama . . . We see him and interact with him and punch in questions with far more frequency.” ABC News Political Director Rick Klein agrees, saying President Trump is “above and beyond, far and away more accessible” than our previous two presidents.

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2018, 06:38:04 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 07, 2018, 05:40:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2018, 05:30:46 PM
I love your posts Mr. Cufflinks they are truly unique, I’m just wondering did they put you on some sort of super drug after your car accident?

I meant to say before I certainly hope you received a good settlement and sorry you had to go through that ordeal.

LOL I broke into their special supply of Red MAGA Pills and went hardcore Red Pill ever since I volunteered and worked with the US Secret Service during a Trump Rally in Nashua NH before the 2016 Primaries and was fascinated by the security protocols, sniffer dogs and the way the Secret Service in cases deferred to me on matters of politics while they focused on their mission protecting the future POTUS.

Very interesting. Did the Secret Service do a background check on you? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2018, 07:19:13 PM

CNN jerk Jim Acosta suspended from the White House. Long overdue!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cnns-jim-acosta-press-pass-suspended-by-white-house-sarah-sanders-announces

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2018, 07:46:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 07, 2018, 07:19:13 PM

CNN jerk Jim Acosta suspended from the White House. Long overdue!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cnns-jim-acosta-press-pass-suspended-by-white-house-sarah-sanders-announces

Jim Acosta has been accused of mistreating the female White House intern and inappropriately touching her when she tried to get his microphone by WH Press Secretary Sarah Sanders. You can judge for yourself. The press conference was 1.5 hours and the President took 68 questions from 35 reporters.

"The fact that CNN is proud of the way their employee behaved is not only disgusting, it‘s an example of their outrageous disregard for everyone, including young women, who work in this Administration," Sanders continued. "As a result of today’s incident, the White House is suspending the hard pass of the reporter involved until further notice."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/38109/watch-secret-service-takes-jim-acostas-press-ryan-saavedra?fbclid=IwAR1sZSs08g3L2QgujAySqbVlE1GCtsC1HgU34ywMDCbj13atdnplW_Q9SHw

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 07, 2018, 08:35:58 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 28, 2018, 07:10:55 PM

One of the up and coming stars of the Democrat party. :chuckle:

Believe it or not she won.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-to-be-youngest-woman-ever-elected-to-congress/ar-BBPqoVz?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on November 07, 2018, 09:43:04 PM

Washington State just raised the age to buy a gun to 21. Today the government will tell you that you have to be 21 to buy a gun. Tomorrow they'll tell you that you have to be 121. The problem with letting the government dictate what age you are allowed to exercise your Constitutional rights is that they can eventually deny you Constitutional rights by raising the age so much you aren't going to live long enough to enjoy them.

If our government can give our kids guns to fight a war at age 18, they should allowed them to buy guns at that age.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2018, 10:04:43 PM

Quote from: BillyB on November 07, 2018, 09:43:04 PM

Washington State just raised the age to buy a gun to 21. Today the government will tell you that you have to be 21 to buy a gun. Tomorrow they'll tell you that you have to be 121. The problem with letting the government dictate what age you are allowed to exercise your Constitutional rights is that they can eventually deny you Constitutional rights by raising the age so much you aren't going to live long enough to enjoy them.

If our government can give our kids guns to fight a war at age 18, they should allowed them to buy guns at that age.

Agree 100%.

Part of the solution is that young men and women need to refuse to go to any war which is not on US soil. Anything else is a con job.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 07, 2018, 10:12:26 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 07, 2018, 08:35:58 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on October 28, 2018, 07:10:55 PM
One of the up and coming stars of the Democrat party. :chuckle:

Believe it or not she won.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-to-be-youngest-woman-ever-elected-to-congress/ar-BBPqoVz?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Of course she did. In such districts as hers, the real election is the Democratic primary.

Anyway, I expect "Socialist Barbie" will provide us with a lot of entertainment over her term(s).

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 07, 2018, 11:04:12 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 07, 2018, 10:14:52 AM

Wiz we actually agree on the topic of the Globalists Zionist Banksters but calling the US a Superiority Complex is hilariously Rich coming from a resident of U-Sharia-K who invented the legendary British Air of Superiority.

Yeah Yeah I know your are the Great Greek bla bla bla. We have a large community of prosperous Greek Americans in our area and though we get along fine being some sort of Christians they like you can become insufferable when they get on their Great legend of Greek Superiority for having created Rome, Europe and all of Modern Civilization.

Fact is the USA understands the wisdom of the ancients and peace through strength. The USA has built and maintains the largest conventional and nuclear military on the planet. Oh and that missing $21 Trillion in HUD and DoD diverted for National Security in addition to the $21 Trillion National Debt and $200 Trillion so-called unfunded liabilities ... Google Roger Malcolm Mitchell on Monetary Sovereignty - then - Google Clif High on night vision goggles, TR3B, TR3E ARVs and Spacecraft Carriers - news flash the Space Force already exists and we have technology 50 to 100 years ahead of the rest of the world. Fact is we easily attract the greatest minds on the planet and we are superior in many demonstrable technological ways - so for our cousins across the pond Deal with it - Get over it - Lead, Follow or Get out of our way.

Of course, you are quite superior with your La Dolce Vita lifestyle and 2 month vacations on the Mediterraneo, multiple FSU mistresses, age 55 67 Full Retirement and cradle to grave health care and guaranteed Euros income for life is hard to beat - so we have to work twice as hard here in the USA to buy your exports and pay for your lovely lives of leisure. Win Win. Until your debt bombs turn into bail-ins, hey none of us are perfect.

:ROFL: (http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/Laughing_on_floor.gif) :ROFL: (http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/Laughing_on_floor.gif) :ROFL: (http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/Laughing_on_floor.gif)

I am sure you must wonder why I am on the floor laughing my head off....after reading your post.?

The answer is simple: In my previous post , that you took as an offensive remark on my part, I simply acknowledged, with 2 words, "Superiority Complex" the undisputed fact of your country's superiority on the world!

You on the other hand, felt the need, like Russian women do, to use 1846 letters (including spaces) to convey the same message, so don't get upset about me laughing!

I do appreciate that you follow the old custom: (http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/attack.png) and not launching to personal attacks, like some of your rude co-patriots.

I am sure you are not going to be mean and deprive us, poor Greeks, to our claims of superiority in our cultural heritage, which have offered so much to the current civilisation?

Any how we, Greeks, did not complaint when you copied, in Nashville, Tennessee in the USA, the Parthenon most important building of our Acropolis in Athens, by the Ancient Greek architect Fidias.

(http://www.ntait.org/wpimages/wp02870c4e_05_06.jpg)

I guess you wouldn't mind asking your Mafia President to have a word with Mrs Teresa May and advise her to return our Parthenon marbles?

You said: " Fact is we easily attract the greatest minds on the planet and we are superior in many demonstrable technological ways "

That is bloody true and my family is victim of that policy. If it wasn't enough, my grandfather's brother immigrating there in 1908, now we have also lost my older son and his family (4 grandchildren) ....... thanks to skype I can see and talk to them, as often as possible. :(

"Of course, you are quite superior with your La Dolce Vita lifestyle and 2 month vacations on the Mediterraneo, multiple FSU mistresses, age 55 67 Full Retirement and cradle to grave health care and guaranteed Euros income for life is hard to beat - so we have to work twice as hard here in the USA to buy your exports and pay for your lovely lives of leisure. Win Win. Until your debt bombs turn into bail-ins, hey none of us are perfect."

You only live once.. that's life... it's all Greek to you! ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJmtxPzp6nY

:thumbsup: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 08, 2018, 03:03:53 AM

Something tickled me this week after the mid terms, mainly because it would wind up Confederate!

Us Brits/Europeans get so much stick from the yanks who assume we're all muslim loving liberals with socialist ideals, yet this very week, you lot voted in incompetent bimbos, muslims and socialists in the pursuit of progressiveness.

Good to see socialism and political correctness is alive and well in the US. It's a slippery slope.... :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 08, 2018, 03:43:02 AM

I think that what we're starting to see is that the Republicans are becoming the party of the (coming) minority white, judeochristian people and the Democrats are becoming the party of the majority 'others'. That's not good.

I am a firm believer in the benefits of socialised health care, but that's not what anybody with any real power is suggesting for the USA. I am also a big believer in a social safety net. The difficulty is that the Democrats are, as a group, becoming the party of turkeys who vote for bread and circuses because the powers behind the party see that as their route to power. By its very nature, bread and circuses is populist and popular.

As the Romans found, bread and circuses is not sustainable.

The biggest problem is that neither party is willing to create conditions that enable government to become smaller and so spending will continue to increase and be a burden on tax payers of the future and that's inherently unsustainable.

There's nothing good on the horizon here.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 08, 2018, 06:12:45 AM

Quote from: BillyB on November 07, 2018, 09:43:04 PM

Washington State just raised the age to buy a gun to 21. Today the government will tell you that you have to be 21 to buy a gun. Tomorrow they'll tell you that you have to be 121. The problem with letting the government dictate what age you are allowed to exercise your Constitutional rights is that they can eventually deny you Constitutional rights by raising the age so much you aren't going to live long enough to enjoy them.

If our government can give our kids guns to fight a war at age 18, they should allowed them to buy guns at that age.

They used the same argument to lower the drinking age. When they realized that was a mistake. They raised it back to 21.

Where have they suggested raising it higher than 21?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2018, 08:58:47 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 08, 2018, 03:43:02 AM

I think that what we're starting to see is that the Republicans are becoming the party of the (coming) minority white, judeochristian people and the Democrats are becoming the party of the majority 'others'. That's not good.

I am a firm believer in the benefits of socialised health care, but that's not what anybody with any real power is suggesting for the USA. I am also a big believer in a social safety net. The difficulty is that the Democrats are, as a group, becoming the party of turkeys who vote for bread and circuses because the powers behind the party see that as their route to power. By its very nature, bread and circuses is populist and popular.

As the Romans found, bread and circuses is not sustainable.

The biggest problem is that neither party is willing to create conditions that enable government to become smaller and so spending will continue to increase and be a burden on tax payers of the future and that's inherently unsustainable.

There's nothing good on the horizon here.

Actually for a couple of decades Democrats have labeled Republicans as the party of “old white men” and it’s a label which stuck. Trump is the first to be really successful expanding the base as far as black males and Hispanics but he’s done worse with women due to his propensity to continually insult them.

No our spending budgets are not sustainable.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on November 08, 2018, 09:06:48 AM

Quote from: BillyB on November 07, 2018, 09:43:04 PM

Washington State just raised the age to buy a gun to 21. Today the government will tell you that you have to be 21 to buy a gun. Tomorrow they'll tell you that you have to be 121. The problem with letting the government dictate what age you are allowed to exercise your Constitutional rights is that they can eventually deny you Constitutional rights by raising the age so much you aren't going to live long enough to enjoy them.

If our government can give our kids guns to fight a war at age 18, they should allowed them to buy guns at that age.

Its a fake solution, because children can simply 'borrow' guns from their parents. Its not as if they want to be alive after a school-shooting

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2018, 09:07:03 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 08, 2018, 03:03:53 AM

Something tickled me this week after the mid terms, mainly because it would wind up Confederate!

Us Brits/Europeans get so much stick from the yanks who assume we're all muslim loving liberals with socialist ideals, yet this very week, you lot voted in incompetent bimbos, muslims and socialists in the pursuit of progressiveness.

Good to see socialism and political correctness is alive and well in the US. It's a slippery slope.... :laugh:

You are all Socialists — you believe in gun control and centralized one-payer socialized medicine.

It doesn’t matter whether or not you like Muslims, you’re not allowed to criticize them and their birth rates will put you lot out of existence; Scotland being the possible exception.

Learn how to love firearms again and your kin might be welcome over here when the time comes that you need some “lebensraum”. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 08, 2018, 09:25:37 AM

Yes, I have heard the epithet before now, however, this becomes more important as whites become a minority in the United States. That is expected to happen something in the next 15 years as I recall. The Democrats are clearly positioning as the party of 'everyone else' which means that they will become, in demographic terms, likely to be the winners in any election where people vote according to their perceived self interest. Bread and circuses (mo free stuff) for all those who feel entitled to it and 'as it used to be' for the Republicans. Neither will be supporting moves to reduce spending. Democrats will support expansion of programs which pay for those who support them (welfare in all its forms) and Republicans will support military spending (which might be seen as a different form of welfare) and eventually the whole edifice will fall over.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2018, 09:48:35 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 08, 2018, 09:25:37 AM

Yes, I have heard the epithet before now, however, this becomes more important as whites become a minority in the United States. That is expected to happen something in the next 15 years as I recall. The Democrats are clearly positioning as the party of 'everyone else' which means that they will become, in demographic terms, likely to be the winners in any election where people vote according to their perceived self interest. Bread and circuses (mo free stuff) for all those who feel entitled to it and 'as it used to be' for the Republicans. Neither will be supporting moves to reduce spending. Democrats will support expansion of programs which pay for those who support them (welfare in all its forms) and Republicans will support military spending (which might be seen as a different form of welfare) and eventually the whole edifice will fall over.

The military budget is huge and yet it’s not needed, at least it wouldn’t be if it were spent on actual national “defense” instead of regime change in God forsaken places.

Will the US Empire go the way of Rome? Hopefully not in my lifetime. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 08, 2018, 10:04:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2018, 09:07:03 AM

You are all Socialists — you believe in gun control and centralized one-payer socialized medicine.

That's not what a socialist is! :laugh:

We've done the gun thing (as have your lot again today) but health care is an interesting topic. I believe the NHS is a magnificent institution and it's part of what makes this country great. Like many things, I think it needs reform because there's so much wastage. Address this before throwing more money at it, whether it be medicinal hardware tendering (i.e. group buying for better prices) or staff budgets (i.e. small budget, low wages therefore lots of contract foreign staff), which incidentally means a bigger wage bill. This stuff is simple yet mindbogglingly made an arse of.

That said, most middle class people these days have some kind of private health care insurance provider. I know people who've had x rays but need to wait 16 weeks for the results at the NHS. Simply put, its shocking. This obviously varies depending on where you live. The social safety net is in place so all are cared for but if you can afford it, you go private post emergency.

Mrs Rosco had a really bad break in her foot a couple years back. It was operated on under the NHS because it was an emergency. We then got her the aftercare in private and it was such a privilege to have this cover. It must be said though that the operation, albeit very complicated, was done to perfection. This is because many surgeons work for the NHS and private so its the same specialists performing the work.

I look at it like executive lounges at airports.....its cuts down the traffic, the focus is better but ultimately you get pissed up and fed.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 08, 2018, 10:19:07 AM

The NHS works blindingly well but like any service of its type, demand is, quite literally, limitless. Therefore it can never satisfy anyone and supply is rationed, often by time.

The way that the private system works in the UK is also great. The way in which it works tends to both improve the socialised service and reduce demand upon it. The price we pay for both is miniscule in comparison to the US system with its layers of rent seekers all of whom remove value rather than adding to it.

The basis of the British system was not, as many think, a solely socialist matter. It was supported by some, perhaps most, of the wealthiest capitalists of the day. They understood that the health of their workers and their families had a direct impact upon the productivity of their employees. For that reason many larger businesses had their own health services; but it was clear that it was better done on a national basis to capture economies of scale.

So, British workers pay for their own health care through National Insurance, businesses contribute, and most of the rent seeking associated with the insurance based and commercial interests is eliminated.

British health care is not free, and never has been. Most elements of British health care are 'free at the point of use'.

My private health insurance still costs less than £1000 per year. I plan to have eye surgery in a few months now that the previous work has had time to settle down. All done privately, but mostly carried out in NHS premises.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2018, 11:29:42 AM

Rosco two main tenets of Socialism are:

1) Gun control. An unarmed population cannot fight back against genocide; could the Bolsheviks have rounded up millions in the former Soviet if the people had been armed? Obviously not!

2) One-payer centralized medicine. It’s not really about medical care, it’s about government control!

We want neither one, we’ll fight with our lives against this tyranny. You’re already unarmed and you’ll convert to your Sharia masters in due time!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4skff9/saul_alinskys_12_rules_for_radicals/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 08, 2018, 12:12:37 PM

Every red state Democrat who voted against Kavanaugh was defeated

https://www.lifenews.com/2018/11/07/every-red-state-democrat-who-voted-against-justice-kavanaugh-was-defeated/?fbclid=IwAR2ppIK90-L8hFLT5DeG_ariKfPVxXALPJongBL69ME3K_Kdq12ia_qrRLI

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 08, 2018, 01:12:36 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2018, 11:29:42 AM

Rosco two main tenets of Socialism are:

1) Gun control. An unarmed population cannot fight back against genocide; could the Bolsheviks have rounded up millions in the former Soviet if the people had been armed? Obviously not!

2) One-payer centralized medicine. It’s not really about medical care, it’s about government control!

We want neither one, we’ll fight with our lives against this tyranny. You’re already unarmed and you’ll convert to your Sharia masters in due time!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/4skff9/saul_alinskys_12_rules_for_radicals/

I appreciate some of your stuff but this is not only untrue, it’s completely nutz.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 08, 2018, 02:47:26 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2018, 12:12:37 PM

Every red state Democrat who voted against Kavanaugh was defeated

https://www.lifenews.com/2018/11/07/every-red-state-democrat-who-voted-against-justice-kavanaugh-was-defeated/?fbclid=IwAR2ppIK90-L8hFLT5DeG_ariKfPVxXALPJongBL69ME3K_Kdq12ia_qrRLI

Tester won in Montana, but mostly right

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on November 08, 2018, 03:00:00 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 08, 2018, 02:47:26 PM

Tester won in Montana, but mostly right

I told you the Republicans were going to lose the House.

Did we have a bet? ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 08, 2018, 03:13:59 PM

Hannity's opening monologue gives a good overall view of the election and Trumps accomplishments. You won't get this from the liberal mainstream media.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 08, 2018, 03:35:47 PM

President Trump might find himself nominating another judge to fill supreme court justice RBG's seat in the not too distant future.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 08, 2018, 06:34:25 PM

Quote from: rosco on November 08, 2018, 10:04:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 08, 2018, 09:07:03 AM
You are all Socialists — you believe in gun control and centralized one-payer socialized medicine.

That's not what a socialist is! :laugh:

Remember that it is a Criminal offence to be a socialist....and you can't have FREE social care The Law of the jungle applies when it come to public health.
... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Quote from: rosco on November 08, 2018, 10:04:45 AM

I believe the NHS is a magnificent institution and it's part of what makes this country great. Like many things, I think it needs reform because there's so much wastage. Address this before throwing more money at it, whether it be medicinal hardware tendering (i.e. group buying for better prices) or staff budgets (i.e. small budget, low wages therefore lots of contract foreign staff), which incidentally means a bigger wage bill. This stuff is simple yet mindbogglingly made an arse of.

Absolutely agree with all your comments and talking from personal experience I have to say, the biggest problem with NHS is that the Hospital computers DON'T COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER AND BILLIONS ARE WASTED......

For Example: I was having several different tests about my heart with the local Hospital. It was decided to visit and stay in a more specialist Hospital in London. To my surprise and despite they were sent a large file...... I was ordered to have the same tests as in my local hospital. When I protested and told them I have been through all these tests and all they had to do is to check my file.........

i was advised that their pc system does, not communicate with the computers of other hospitals or GP. I was horrified to hear that and at the end of all my tests.....realised the NHS was wasting billions of pounds. Basically GP's, Hospitals and Labs don't have access to my patient files.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 08, 2018, 06:53:50 PM

Quote from: Wiz on November 08, 2018, 06:34:25 PM

Absolutely agree with all your comments and talking from personal experience I have to say, the biggest problem with NHS is that the Hospital computers DON'T COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER AND BILLIONS ARE WASTED......

For Example: I was having several different tests about my heart with the local Hospital. It was decided to visit and stay in a more specialist Hospital in London. To my surprise and despite they were sent a large file...... I was ordered to have the same tests as in my local hospital. When I protested and told them I have been through all these tests and all they had to do is to check my file.........

i was advised that their pc system does, not communicate with the computers of other hospitals or GP. I was horrified to hear that and at the end of all my tests.....realised the NHS was wasting billions of pounds. Basically GP's, Hospitals and Labs don't have access to my patient files.

Wiz, is correct. Yes it is a frustrating system.

To expand, there are different protocols for different regions. But the bigger concern is patient privacy and that influences what is shared.

While Wiz went in for observation and tests the real downfall of this system is when the emergency involves a mother to be, attempting to give birth and critical information is not available. Sadly it is a hodge podge of conflicting standards.

Av

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 08, 2018, 07:54:19 PM

Looks like the Dems are trying to change some election results.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 08, 2018, 08:08:00 PM

More details about votes recount in Florida.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 09, 2018, 12:13:51 AM

The issue of communication is real but is rooted in issues of privacy. That was a political football a few years ago when current systems were being specified.

Other places did not have the same pc complaints and battles, or they were ignored, and so communication works well. Estonia is a case in point. All required information is available to the personnel who need it. One takes it on trust that those with access do not misuse it.

It is likely though that Wiz's recollections are of a time a few years ago because patient records are increasingly shared but, of course, doing so comes about when the systems to enable it have been rolled out. This paper discusses the programs and issues of implementation faced in a very complex system: https://academic.oup.com/bmb/article/121/1/95/2770504 Also, as I now know, staff will give all sorts of reasons to justify the inconvenience of testing patients. It is much more comforting for a patient to be told that a test is being done because of a lack of previous data than to tell her that her condition is apparently deteriorating and a progress test is needed.

Right now, it seems that, where patients have permitted it, data goes from GP to NHS hospital but between hospitals not so much. However, in most cases, in the UK, GP to hospital is the most important routing.

Here's a fun page. This page links to a series of dashboards showing the degree of integration into data sharing systems for various parts of the NHS: https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/data-tools-and-services/tools-for-accessing-data/deployment-and-utilisation-progress-data

By comparison, few than 30% of United States hospitals can share patient information and that's not likely to get much better due to the structure of the health industry in the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 09, 2018, 10:34:29 AM

The fact that Mueller is still running roughshod over the US Constitution doing the Deepstate/Chicommies dirty work and just this week being offset by a new Acting AG with an Alpha Masculine Command Presence to counter the Shadow Deepstate Government Obama set up with his new ACORN on steroids the OFA 501©4 that interestingly enough are Tax exempt but do not have to disclose (((Soros-Bloomberg et.al))) Donors...
Feb 2017 Details: https://nypost.com/2017/02/11/how-obama-...residency/

The DOJ and FBI have literally blocked President Trump every step of the way with Obama embeds and Obama's active guidance also known as Sedition and Treason. The entire Demoncrat Peoples Marxist Socialist Communist Red Chinese funded DESTROY AMERICA party has committed total Sedition and High Treason since President Trump was first sworn in.

During the early days of our country when Founding Fathers still guided fledgling America the early 1800s people were hanged and shot by firing squads for these crimes.

The Demoncrats have the (((Media Billionaire One Party NWO Communists))) support whereas we Patriots have the Military Academy Patriots ... most of the senior Flag Officers have actually flown or fought Combat Missions (John Kelly 4 Star USMC General who also lost his heroic son in Combat in Iraq for example). Men like me who literally have and will always put our lives on the line to protect our divinely inspired sacred Constitution and our country from all Enemies Foreign and Domestic. We have the DoD, LEOs and Veterans - our enemies Judgement Days are coming at a place of our time and choosing (Soon - as the wheels for the continuation of the epic Trumpian Red Wave are now in motion).

This may be too southern prophetic Christian for some folks though many of us truly believe that DJT is President through the hand and Grace of God in an eternal fight for Freedom and Liberty against pure Evil represented by Clinton-Obamunist (((Globalist))) Traitors.

Greg Hunter USAWatchDog.com Show (A True Christian Patriot)
Interviews: Mark Taylor – God Is Going to Gut MSM News Media
To Antifa and the DemonCommie Chinese Communists
Gist is: Beware the Wrath of God delivered by his Flawed yet Patriotic Servant Donald John Trump.

Mark Taylor is Co-Author of:
The Trump Prophecies: The Astonishing True Story of the Man Who Saw Tomorrow... and What He Says Is Coming Next
https://www.amazon.com/Trump-Prophecies-...0998142670

And the Movie Review complete with the UK Guardians Snarky Bias:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...ark-taylor

See Trailer or rent: https://www.amazon.com/Trump-Prophecy-Ch...07JQ36Z6L/

Also:
In God we Trump:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07JKB1LM6/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 09, 2018, 07:55:53 PM

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81T9jCsYzgL._UR150,200_FMJPG_.jpg)

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 09, 2018, 08:01:15 PM

Wiz stop posting anti American pics and useless video links.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2018, 08:11:48 PM

Quote from: Guile on November 09, 2018, 08:01:15 PM

Wiz stop posting anti American pics and useless video links.

That’s pretty much all he’s good for lately and if you notice he can dish it out but he can’t take it! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2018, 08:16:45 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 09, 2018, 10:34:29 AM

The fact that Mueller is still running roughshod over the US Constitution doing the Deepstate/Chicommies dirty work and just this week being offset by a new Acting AG with an Alpha Masculine Command Presence to counter the Shadow Deepstate Government Obama set up with his new ACORN on steroids the OFA 501©4 that interestingly enough are Tax exempt but do not have to disclose (((Soros-Bloomberg et.al))) Donors...
Feb 2017 Details: https://nypost.com/2017/02/11/how-obama-...residency/

The DOJ and FBI have literally blocked President Trump every step of the way with Obama embeds and Obama's active guidance also known as Sedition and Treason. The entire Demoncrat Peoples Marxist Socialist Communist Red Chinese funded DESTROY AMERICA party has committed total Sedition and High Treason since President Trump was first sworn in.

During the early days of our country when Founding Fathers still guided fledgling America the early 1800s people were hanged and shot by firing squads for these crimes.

The Demoncrats have the (((Media Billionaire One Party NWO Communists))) support whereas we Patriots have the Military Academy Patriots ... most of the senior Flag Officers have actually flown or fought Combat Missions (John Kelly 4 Star USMC General who also lost his heroic son in Combat in Iraq for example). Men like me who literally have and will always put our lives on the line to protect our divinely inspired sacred Constitution and our country from all Enemies Foreign and Domestic. We have the DoD, LEOs and Veterans - our enemies Judgement Days are coming at a place of our time and choosing (Soon - as the wheels for the continuation of the epic Trumpian Red Wave are now in motion).

This may be too southern prophetic Christian for some folks though many of us truly believe that DJT is President through the hand and Grace of God in an eternal fight for Freedom and Liberty against pure Evil represented by Clinton-Obamunist (((Globalist))) Traitors.

Greg Hunter USAWatchDog.com Show (A True Christian Patriot)
Interviews: Mark Taylor – God Is Going to Gut MSM News Media
To Antifa and the DemonCommie Chinese Communists
Gist is: Beware the Wrath of God delivered by his Flawed yet Patriotic Servant Donald John Trump.

Mark Taylor is Co-Author of:
The Trump Prophecies: The Astonishing True Story of the Man Who Saw Tomorrow... and What He Says Is Coming Next
https://www.amazon.com/Trump-Prophecies-...0998142670

And the Movie Review complete with the UK Guardians Snarky Bias:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018...ark-taylor

See Trailer or rent: https://www.amazon.com/Trump-Prophecy-Ch...07JQ36Z6L/

Also:
In God we Trump:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07JKB1LM6/

Cufflinks,

3 out of 4 links at the end of your post do not work.

I did like the YouTube video of Mark Taylor who says that the MSM will be replaced; let’s hope so!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 09, 2018, 08:18:43 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2018, 08:11:48 PM

That’s pretty much all he’s good for lately and if you notice he can dish it out but he can’t take it! :laugh:

Yeah I noticed Wiz is the ultimate hypocrite. Telling me to stop posting about Moby yet he's posting essays and insults calling Moby stupid, arrogant, posting pics of Moby's partner.

I was gonna show Wiz some JKD moves like "whipping the dragon's tail" but he's a 70+ year old smoker. :chuckle: Probably couldn't run 1 lap.
No fun in that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 09, 2018, 08:26:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2018, 08:11:48 PM

Quote from: Guile on November 09, 2018, 08:01:15 PM
Wiz stop posting anti American pics and useless video links.

That’s pretty much all he’s good for lately and if you notice he can dish it out but he can’t take it! :laugh:

Confederate

I was never before been rude to you until you started your fascist rand, telling us we are all socialists and to FO.

It all there check it!

:'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2018, 08:59:48 PM

Quote from: Wiz on November 09, 2018, 08:26:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2018, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: Guile on November 09, 2018, 08:01:15 PM
Wiz stop posting anti American pics and useless video links.

That’s pretty much all he’s good for lately and if you notice he can dish it out but he can’t take it! :laugh:

Confederate

I was never before been rude to you until you started your fascist rand, telling us we are all socialists and to FO.

It all there check it!

:'(

Remember I’m like a lot of Americans, I love my country and when you’re overly negative we take it personal.

In my book you UK guys are definitely Socialists, and if you think I’m a fascist it doesn’t bother me. Better than being a Pinko Commie! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 10, 2018, 01:16:29 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2018, 08:59:48 PM

Quote from: Wiz on November 09, 2018, 08:26:15 PM
Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2018, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: Guile on November 09, 2018, 08:01:15 PM
Wiz stop posting anti American pics and useless video links.

That’s pretty much all he’s good for lately and if you notice he can dish it out but he can’t take it! :laugh:

Confederate

I was never before been rude to you until you started your fascist rand, telling us we are all socialists and to FO.

It all there check it!

:'(

Remember I’m like a lot of Americans, I love my country and when you’re overly negative we take it personal.

In my book you UK guys are definitely Socialists, and if you think I’m a fascist it doesn’t bother me. Better than being a Pinko Commie! :chuckle:

Turning into little Wiz fest here. :ROFL:
Wiz is a leftover relic from the Greek commies. He should bugger off to that failed state he came from.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 10, 2018, 01:50:13 AM

You two DO realise that you are arguing with a troll who is CANADIAN Chinese ;)....?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 10, 2018, 03:35:17 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 10, 2018, 01:16:29 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2018, 08:59:48 PM
Quote from: Wiz on November 09, 2018, 08:26:15 PM
Quote from: Confederate on November 09, 2018, 08:11:48 PM
Quote from: Guile on November 09, 2018, 08:01:15 PM
Wiz stop posting anti American pics and useless video links.

That’s pretty much all he’s good for lately and if you notice he can dish it out but he can’t take it! :laugh:

Confederate

I was never before been rude to you until you started your fascist rand, telling us we are all socialists and to FO.

It all there check it!

:'(

Remember I’m like a lot of Americans, I love my country and when you’re overly negative we take it personal.

In my book you UK guys are definitely Socialists, and if you think I’m a fascist it doesn’t bother me. Better than being a Pinko Commie! :chuckle:
Turning into little Wiz fest here. :ROFL:
Wiz is a leftover relic from the Greek commies. He should bugger off to that failed state he came from.

The Zionist brigade is back in force. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

BTW why you insult me implying that I am a left over of the Greek commies, when you have no idea about me and my family?

My father was executed by the commies on the 19 DEC 1945, nice Xmas present for my young mother and a month later I was born.

CONFED

As it happens I love and respect both , my birth - Greece and also my adopted country - England and none of the two resemble anything vulgar like your own country!

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 10, 2018, 05:59:11 AM

Be ready for interesting political news from Florida. It seems that a couple of liberal counties have found thousands of uncounted ballots that are voting democratic. It looks like massive voter fraud.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 10, 2018, 07:04:44 AM

All the ballots 'found' now will be genuine. The fake ones have already been counted.

I was reading a very interesting book: Means of Ascent: The Years of Lyndon Johnson (Volume 2)
In it was covered some of the ways that elections were rigged back then (and I am sure, today).

I could see that all efforts were being made in some elections, to hold back results in order that opponents would not know how many fake ballots were needed to change the result. That's certainly going on here.

You guys need to enforce identity against lists of registered voters. Registration should be compulsory and all ballots should be paper and cast into boxes for public, invigilated counting - pretty much how we do it in the UK.

It is hard to see how US elections could be organised any better if vote rigging is a desired option. Both major parties are in favour of dishonest elections.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 10, 2018, 07:28:49 AM

All the votes have been counted. What they are tallying is the total votes cast against the percentage of the winner/looser. By the state law if the difference is .5% there is a manual recount.

Since deSantis won by over 30,000 votes it is going to take a bit more than a few thousand votes to change the results.

Yankee will know the ins and outs better than Andrew or I.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2018, 08:57:59 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 10, 2018, 07:28:49 AM

All the votes have been counted. What they are tallying is the total votes cast against the percentage of the winner/looser. By the state law if the difference is .5% there is a manual recount.

Since deSantis won by over 30,000 votes it is going to take a bit more than a few thousand votes to change the results.

Yankee will know the ins and outs better than Andrew or I.

No, you’re winging it.

Andrew actually knows what he’s talking about.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2018, 09:03:04 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 10, 2018, 07:04:44 AM

All the ballots 'found' now will be genuine. The fake ones have already been counted.

I was reading a very interesting book: Means of Ascent: The Years of Lyndon Johnson (Volume 2)
In it was covered some of the ways that elections were rigged back then (and I am sure, today).

I could see that all efforts were being made in some elections, to hold back results in order that opponents would not know how many fake ballots were needed to change the result. That's certainly going on here.

You guys need to enforce identity against lists of registered voters. Registration should be compulsory and all ballots should be paper and cast into boxes for public, invigilated counting - pretty much how we do it in the UK.

It is hard to see how US elections could be organised any better if vote rigging is a desired option. Both major parties are in favour of dishonest elections.

You might also wish to read about how the mob helped JFK to win. Then when he turned against them he ended up dead.

Right now in Florida Democrats have been caught transferring boxes of ballots in the middle of the night from private cars to official polling trucks a violation of the chain of custody.

They’ve also been caught with piles of blank ballots filling them in and signing them.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 10, 2018, 09:47:49 AM

Quote from: yankee on November 10, 2018, 05:59:11 AM

Be ready for interesting political news from Florida. It seems that a couple of liberal counties have found thousands of uncounted ballots that are voting democratic. It looks like massive voter fraud.

The Panhandle, which recently got run over by a Cat4 hurricane, managed to have all their votes in on time.

Quote from: andrewfi on November 10, 2018, 07:04:44 AM

You guys need to enforce identity against lists of registered voters.

Well, yes, but evidently that's "racist", or so we're told, every time it's brought up by the GOP. In Deep Blue Connecticut, where I vote, there is always a sign outside the polling place stating "ID Required", but we're a blue state, so no worries, etc.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 10, 2018, 09:57:27 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 10, 2018, 08:57:59 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 10, 2018, 07:28:49 AM
All the votes have been counted. What they are tallying is the total votes cast against the percentage of the winner/looser. By the state law if the difference is .5% there is a manual recount.

Since deSantis won by over 30,000 votes it is going to take a bit more than a few thousand votes to change the results.

Yankee will know the ins and outs better than Andrew or I.

No, you’re winging it.

Andrew actually knows what he’s talking about.

Here is a news article that defines the protocol. Fairly simples as it is State Law. The article is written from a rather liberal standpoint.

The issues that Andrew notes are valid, I am speaking about the mechanism. A far more important issue is the gerrymandering that both parties attempt, but this happens long before a vote.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/11/08/andrew-gillum-supporters-counting-recount/1928565002/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2018, 10:54:50 AM

Trump makes a controversial tweet upon arriving in France.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/president-trump-departs-weekend-paris-honor-world-war/story%3fid=59083871

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 10, 2018, 11:49:16 AM

In Nevada, voters would rather vote in a dead Republican pimp than to vote Democrat. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 10, 2018, 11:54:35 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 10, 2018, 11:49:16 AM

In Nevada, voters would rather vote in a dead Republican pimp than to vote Democrat. :chuckle:

Not quite. Had he been alive it is unlikely that the electorate would have voted him in. When he died, by leaving his name on the ballot, voters who were unwilling to support Hof could vote his name on the ballot knowing that a candidate would be selected after the election.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 10, 2018, 12:00:58 PM

Here's a report of the odd stuff going on. As I already alluded, there's bags and boxes of stuff being moved around in suspicious circumstances. Law enforcement officer forcing a witness to leave the scene, election supervisor not carrying out court mandated instructions. Yep, no smoke, no fire here!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-10/mystery-broward-ballots-shuffled-trucks-rep-matt-gaetz-forcibly-removed-while

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on November 10, 2018, 01:10:53 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 10, 2018, 12:00:58 PM

Here's a report of the odd stuff going on. As I already alluded, there's bags and boxes of stuff being moved around in suspicious circumstances. Law enforcement officer forcing a witness to leave the scene, election supervisor not carrying out court mandated instructions. Yep, no smoke, no fire here!

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-10/mystery-broward-ballots-shuffled-trucks-rep-matt-gaetz-forcibly-removed-while

Man, that is very disturbing. :o :( It makes me wonder what this country will look like in 100 years. Scary!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 11, 2018, 04:46:58 AM

What IS disturbing is the sort of places andrewfi finds his 'news'

Title: DEAD pimp wins senate seat in Nevada
Post by: yankee on November 11, 2018, 09:09:52 AM

Only in America can a dead pimp (he owned a brothel) win a state wide election.

https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Nevada+Dead+Senator&qpvt=nevada+dead+senator&FORM=EWRE (https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Nevada+Dead+Senator&qpvt=nevada+dead+senator&FORM=EWRE)

Title: Re: DEAD pimp wins senate seat in Nevada
Post by: B.B. on November 11, 2018, 01:00:51 PM

Quote from: yankee on November 11, 2018, 09:09:52 AM

Only in America can a dead pimp (he owned a brothel) win a state wide election.

https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Nevada+Dead+Senator&qpvt=nevada+dead+senator&FORM=EWRE (https://www.bing.com/news/search?q=Nevada+Dead+Senator&qpvt=nevada+dead+senator&FORM=EWRE)

First, it wasn't a state-wide election. He was running as the GOP nominee in a heavily GOP district. He probably got more votes as a dead man, because people who otherwise would not have voted for him did so in the knowledge that the GOP would choose his replacement.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 11, 2018, 01:26:24 PM

The possibly the next candidate like to run for the DEMS in 2020.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/beto-2020-calls-multiply-among-dems/ar-BBPzy1g?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=SK216DHP

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2018, 06:17:27 PM

More election hi-jinx.

https://trendingviews.co/broward-employee-fired-after-reporting-on-elections-staff-filling-out-stacks-of-blank-ballots/?fbclid=IwAR2nc9I03FQdHtQYesokN2N0SmiKFbwpc3iyyp08Me2O4g3WzgAz65L3h3o

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 12, 2018, 07:09:21 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 10, 2018, 07:04:44 AM

All the ballots 'found' now will be genuine. The fake ones have already been counted.

I was reading a very interesting book: Means of Ascent: The Years of Lyndon Johnson (Volume 2)
In it was covered some of the ways that elections were rigged back then (and I am sure, today).

I could see that all efforts were being made in some elections, to hold back results in order that opponents would not know how many fake ballots were needed to change the result. That's certainly going on here.

You guys need to enforce identity against lists of registered voters. Registration should be compulsory and all ballots should be paper and cast into boxes for public, invigilated counting - pretty much how we do it in the UK.

It is hard to see how US elections could be organised any better if vote rigging is a desired option. Both major parties are in favour of dishonest elections.

Can you imagine the mess if they didn't have their guns? :-\

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 12, 2018, 07:14:59 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 11, 2018, 04:46:58 AM

What IS disturbing is the sort of places andrewfi finds his 'news'

Are you telling us that the information republished by Zerohedge and found in a well regarded and authoritative biography is untrue?

Here's a chance to build credibility. Show us all that the information is incorrect and provide us with a credible alternate narrative, backed by credible evidence. Here's your chance to shine. Take it!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 07:15:22 AM

Poor 'ol 'Trampu' was afraid his wig would be ruined and his make-up would run ?

https://www.france24.com/en/20181112-trump-cemetery-no-show-out-concern-paris-traffic-world-war-one-centenary-armistice (https://www.france24.com/en/20181112-trump-cemetery-no-show-out-concern-paris-traffic-world-war-one-centenary-armistice)

:chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 07:22:05 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 12, 2018, 07:14:59 AM

Are you telling us that the information republished by Zerohedge is untrue?

Give the guy a coconut

Quote from: andrewfi on November 12, 2018, 07:14:59 AM

Here's a chance to build credibility. Show us all that the information is incorrect and provide us with a credible alternate narrative, backed by credible evidence. Here's your chance to shine. Take it!

Here's some clues as to why *I* mistrust any gossip from your 'reference' ..

Zero Hedge expanded into non-financial analysis, where its editorial has been labelled by some as being associated with the "alt-right", as well as being anti-establishment, conspiratorial, and showing a pro-Russian-bias. Zero Hedge in-house content is posted under the pseudonym "Tyler Durden", however, the founder and main editor was identified as Daniel Ivandjiiski.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ivandjiiski (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ivandjiiski)

You being such a stalwart of honesty - you'd want to know your source is run by dodgy people, right ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 12, 2018, 07:45:38 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 12, 2018, 07:14:59 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 11, 2018, 04:46:58 AM
What IS disturbing is the sort of places andrewfi finds his 'news'

Are you telling us that the information republished by Zerohedge and found in a well regarded and authoritative biography is untrue?

Here's a chance to build credibility. Show us all that the information is incorrect and provide us with a credible alternate narrative, backed by credible evidence. Here's your chance to shine. Take it!

Moby, My guess is you are confusing your political beliefs and saying this does not align with them. While some have posted some pretty whacky links Zerohedge tends most of the time to be rather accurate, at least when I have looked at individual articles. I may not agree but that is a different issue.

If you can not find anything incorrect than at least state your opinions, and make an attempt to avoid Moby speak. Of course this will involve using logic. Also if I can string a bunch of words in a sentence with few spelling errors so can you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 12, 2018, 07:57:24 AM

Moby is just a troll. On the other forum he was saying that Trump cancelling his visit in France is "pathetic".

what he conveniently leaves out is that it was the call of the Secret Service and the White House due to weather.

I bet you if you asked the average American who the Irish prime minster is very few would know or care.

Yet I wonder why he keeps talking about Trump and the USA. Ireland is but a speck in global importance. No one even cares about their divided country but alot are talking about the Koreas right now.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 12, 2018, 08:09:00 AM

From what I gather, Trumps helicopter was grounded due to bad weather so he couldn't make the visit. The left wing media and its travelling circus then went nuts over the weekend, attacking Trump for not caring. Then in the Uk, Corbyn got attacked for looking like a pile of shit at the memorial and being accused for not caring. The same left wing anti Trump luvvies went nutz and defended comrade Corbyn to the hilt.

It's this kind of inconsistent, deluded, double standards that mean I can't respect idiots with child like emotions.

Title: Re: sting is the gift that keeps giving
Post by: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 08:11:30 AM

Thank you, sting 123 for highlighting a post ( about 'Trampu' ducking the 100 year WW1 memorial ) that has yet to appear here, yet ;)

Hopefully, we will get a chance to discuss it

Looking forward to YOU starting a poll on a subject other than me ( or even your latest 'pal', Wiz)

Title: Re: President Trump - no show
Post by: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 08:14:07 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 12, 2018, 08:09:00 AM

From what I gather, Trumps helicopter was grounded due to bad weather so he couldn't make the visit. The left wing media and its travelling circus then went nuts over the weekend, attacking Trump for not caring. Then in the Uk, Corbyn got attacked for looking like a pile of shit at the memorial and being accused for not caring. The same left wing anti Trump luvvies went nutz and defended comrade Corbyn to the hilt.

It's this kind of inconsistent, deluded, double standards that mean I can't respect idiots with child like emotions.

Oh dear

Did the Daily Mail become 'left wing' ? ;)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6374957/Trip-monument-honoring-American-marines-fought-France-cancelled-Trump-amid-bad-weather.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6374957/Trip-monument-honoring-American-marines-fought-France-cancelled-Trump-amid-bad-weather.html)

Hopefully we will get the chance to help with your misconceptions

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 12, 2018, 09:06:03 AM

It's damned if you do and damned if you don't.

The media played a big part in Trump getting voted and also Brexit winning.

Fear mongering and playing on emotions. So many people saying afterwards they regretted voting that way but thinking they were doing the right thing in the heat of the moment.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 12, 2018, 09:56:52 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 07:22:05 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 12, 2018, 07:14:59 AM

Are you telling us that the information republished by Zerohedge is untrue?

Give the guy a coconut

Quote from: andrewfi on November 12, 2018, 07:14:59 AM
Here's a chance to build credibility. Show us all that the information is incorrect and provide us with a credible alternate narrative, backed by credible evidence. Here's your chance to shine. Take it!

Here's some clues as to why *I* mistrust any gossip from your 'reference' ..

Zero Hedge expanded into non-financial analysis, where its editorial has been labelled by some as being associated with the "alt-right", as well as being anti-establishment, conspiratorial, and showing a pro-Russian-bias. Zero Hedge in-house content is posted under the pseudonym "Tyler Durden", however, the founder and main editor was identified as Daniel Ivandjiiski.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ivandjiiski (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ivandjiiski)

You being such a stalwart of honesty - you'd want to know your source is run by dodgy people, right ?

Dodgy people? You mean like the Clowns In America who control the “MSM”?

You had a chance to provide a credible alternative and you failed.

Making allegations and labels is hardly credible. Troll.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 12, 2018, 10:04:06 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 12, 2018, 08:09:00 AM

From what I gather, Trumps helicopter was grounded due to bad weather so he couldn't make the visit. The left wing media and its travelling circus then went nuts over the weekend, attacking Trump for not caring. Then in the Uk, Corbyn got attacked for looking like a pile of shit at the memorial and being accused for not caring. The same left wing anti Trump luvvies went nutz and defended comrade Corbyn to the hilt.

It's this kind of inconsistent, deluded, double standards that mean I can't respect idiots with child like emotions.

Moby certainly is an “idiot with child like emotions”.

“Trump had been scheduled to lay a wreath and observe a moment of silence Saturday at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery and Memorial, located adjacent to Belleau Wood and about 60 miles (100 kilometers) northeast of Paris. The White House cited weather conditions that grounded the president's helicopter for the cancellation”

US News & World Report

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2018-11-11/the-latest-trump-ruled-out-cemetery-motorcade-as-disruptive

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 12, 2018, 10:15:42 AM

So, moby, you had a chance to build credibility, to share with us which parts of the book I referred to and the article at the link I shared were factually incorrect.

You were unable to do so. That tells us that you were, once again being dishonest.

You could have argued that the analysis of the facts presented was incorrect, but you were too lazy to even do that.

As it happens, the Avis employee who called in the boxes has come forward. He has the pics the journalist was not allowed to take and they have now been published.

So, while the boxes might have been spirited away under cover of the fake bomb, the evidence exists and can be tracked.

Moby, I have pointed out to others who don't know how to think: while the publication source is of interest, the real value is from the information. To reject knowledge on the basis of where you found the knowledge is foolish and shows a lack of analytical skill. In this case, there was first hand reporting and primary sourced facts. So, unless one is willing to say that the primary sources are lying (which would be hard) then there's no good reason to discount the facts. So, what's left is the analysis of the information presented. What credible alternate explanation of the given facts is more likely than that presented already?

Yeah, you won't bother with that, will you moby, that's work and work is bad, right?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 12, 2018, 10:20:10 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 08:11:30 AM

Thank you, sting 123 for highlighting a post ( about 'Trampu' ducking the 100 year WW1 memorial ) that has yet to appear here, yet ;)

Hopefully, we will get a chance to discuss it

Looking forward to YOU starting a poll on a subject other than me ( or even your latest 'pal', Wiz)

Why do you keep calling Trump "TramPu"? Show some respect.

You are a compulsive liar and fiction teller and now you are questioning the sources of news? When did you becoming the paragon of truth you turd.

Now you're jealous I'm talking to Wiz? hahha...

Stop replying to all my posts and stop talking to me. I'd put you on ignore again but knowing you, you'd find ways to reply you attention whore.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 12, 2018, 10:25:50 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 12, 2018, 10:15:42 AM

Moby, I have pointed out to others who don't know how to think: while the publication source is of interest, the real value is from the information. To reject knowledge on the basis of where you found the knowledge is foolish and shows a lack of analytical skill. In this case, there was first hand reporting and primary sourced facts. So, unless one is willing to say that the primary sources are lying (which would be hard) then there's no good reason to discount the facts. So, what's left is the analysis of the information presented. What credible alternate explanation of the given facts is more likely than that presented already?

Andrew, you forget you are dealing with Mobipinocchio. Liars always need to discredit others so the light doesn't expose them for who they are.

Title: Re: sting is the gift that keeps giving
Post by: Guile on November 12, 2018, 10:32:39 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 08:11:30 AM

Thank you, sting 123 for highlighting a post ( about 'Trampu' ducking the 100 year WW1 memorial ) that has yet to appear here, yet ;)

Hopefully, we will get a chance to discuss it

Looking forward to YOU starting a poll on a subject other than me ( or even your latest 'pal', Wiz)

Another thing, why do you always change the Thread heading to some insult directed at other people? Are you a child who didn't get attention from daddy and now is compensating?

Or is this a cry for help cause you are so lonely?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 12, 2018, 10:33:58 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 12, 2018, 08:09:00 AM

From what I gather, Trumps helicopter was grounded due to bad weather so he couldn't make the visit. The left wing media and its travelling circus then went nuts over the weekend, attacking Trump for not caring. Then in the Uk, Corbyn got attacked for looking like a pile of shit at the memorial and being accused for not caring. The same left wing anti Trump luvvies went nutz and defended comrade Corbyn to the hilt.

It's this kind of inconsistent, deluded, double standards that mean I can't respect idiots with child like emotions.

Moby doesn’t like Zero Hedge when it disagrees with him and he doesn’t like msm news source US News today either. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 10:39:08 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 12, 2018, 10:15:42 AM

So, moby, you had a chance to build credibility, to share with us which parts of the book I referred to and the article at the link I shared were factually incorrect.

Did you READ the 'honest' article - or check the honesty of it's author ...?

" It is reported " ..... :chuckle:

I note you'd rather ignore those salient points - which is surprising seeing you'd suggest 'honesty = respect' ....

Title: Re: sting pretends to 'care'
Post by: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 10:46:39 AM

[quote author sting123 link=topic=24412.msg487368#msg487368 date=1542043210]

Why do you keep calling Trump "TramPu"? Show some respect.[/quote]

It is what he is called in Russian ... but you 'knew' that, right :dh:

[quote author sting123 link=topic=24412.msg487368#msg487368 date=1542043210]
You are a compulsive liar and fiction teller and now you are questioning the sources of news? When did you becoming the paragon of truth you turd.[/quote]

When the author has a criminal record - as with the article our 'honest' andrewfi, foolishly quoted ...

[quote authorsting123 link=topic=24412.msg487368#msg487368 date=1542043210]
Now you're jealous I'm talking to Wiz? hahha... [/quote]

I was observing you behave exactly the same ..... 'jealously' was not the emotion I would use....

[quote authorsting123 link=topic=24412.msg487368#msg487368 date=1542043210]
Stop replying to all my posts and stop talking to me. I'd put you on ignore again but knowing you, you'd find ways to reply you attention whore.
[/quote]

:ROFL:

While you continue to mention my name / post bollox - you'll excuse me if I fail to accede to your request ...

Title: Re: President Trump - no show
Post by: rosco on November 12, 2018, 11:00:36 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 08:14:07 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 12, 2018, 08:09:00 AM
From what I gather, Trumps helicopter was grounded due to bad weather so he couldn't make the visit. The left wing media and its travelling circus then went nuts over the weekend, attacking Trump for not caring. Then in the Uk, Corbyn got attacked for looking like a pile of shit at the memorial and being accused for not caring. The same left wing anti Trump luvvies went nutz and defended comrade Corbyn to the hilt.

It's this kind of inconsistent, deluded, double standards that mean I can't respect idiots with child like emotions.

Oh dear

Did the Daily Mail become 'left wing' ? ;)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6374957/Trip-monument-honoring-American-marines-fought-France-cancelled-Trump-amid-bad-weather.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6374957/Trip-monument-honoring-American-marines-fought-France-cancelled-Trump-amid-bad-weather.html)

Hopefully we will get the chance to help with your misconceptions

Oh dear indeed.

Moby - This doesn't prove that the left wing media didn't report it though eh? (Big hint here btw) It only proves that a few other news organisations followed suit. The left wing foamed at the weekends story, just read the comments from the champagne socialists who read the Times and the Guardian.

Try to slow down, read again and think before making a fool of yourself. It's sad to watch and your attacks just set you up for yet more ridicule.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 12, 2018, 11:06:31 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 12, 2018, 10:33:58 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 12, 2018, 08:09:00 AM
From what I gather, Trumps helicopter was grounded due to bad weather so he couldn't make the visit. The left wing media and its travelling circus then went nuts over the weekend, attacking Trump for not caring. Then in the Uk, Corbyn got attacked for looking like a pile of shit at the memorial and being accused for not caring. The same left wing anti Trump luvvies went nutz and defended comrade Corbyn to the hilt.

It's this kind of inconsistent, deluded, double standards that mean I can't respect idiots with child like emotions.

Moby doesn’t like Zero Hedge when it disagrees with him and he doesn’t like msm news source US News today either. :coffeeread:

Here’s a story Moby won’t like: Poles burn EU flag.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/11989250/EU-flag-burned-as-tens-of-thousands-join-Warsaw-nationalist-demo.html?fbclid=IwAR2XdGmyphGY6Ay5NQMqZZ4b765B4pINintOaCWyAxz1ALHlkgzlXjCSHwk

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 12, 2018, 11:07:51 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 12, 2018, 10:04:06 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 12, 2018, 08:09:00 AM
From what I gather, Trumps helicopter was grounded due to bad weather so he couldn't make the visit. The left wing media and its travelling circus then went nuts over the weekend, attacking Trump for not caring. Then in the Uk, Corbyn got attacked for looking like a pile of shit at the memorial and being accused for not caring. The same left wing anti Trump luvvies went nutz and defended comrade Corbyn to the hilt.

It's this kind of inconsistent, deluded, double standards that mean I can't respect idiots with child like emotions.

Moby certainly is an “idiot with child like emotions”.

“Trump had been scheduled to lay a wreath and observe a moment of silence Saturday at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery and Memorial, located adjacent to Belleau Wood and about 60 miles (100 kilometers) northeast of Paris. The White House cited weather conditions that grounded the president's helicopter for the cancellation”

US News & World Report

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2018-11-11/the-latest-trump-ruled-out-cemetery-motorcade-as-disruptive

When I wrote this post, it wasn't intended to bait Moby in any way. Yet funnily enough he reacted to it like an idiot would and with child like emotions. You couldn't make it up. :laugh:

Trump upsets him so much he resorts to calling him "Trampau", like an upset belligerent child who can't accept how things are. He sets himself up time and time again! Clearly scatty, emotionally under developed and one of life's odd balls, its sad to see a man in his 60's behaving as he does.

* If he's younger than that then I do apologise. People with mental health problems often look older than they actually are.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 12, 2018, 11:17:20 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 12, 2018, 11:06:31 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 12, 2018, 10:33:58 AM
Quote from: rosco on November 12, 2018, 08:09:00 AM
From what I gather, Trumps helicopter was grounded due to bad weather so he couldn't make the visit. The left wing media and its travelling circus then went nuts over the weekend, attacking Trump for not caring. Then in the Uk, Corbyn got attacked for looking like a pile of shit at the memorial and being accused for not caring. The same left wing anti Trump luvvies went nutz and defended comrade Corbyn to the hilt.

It's this kind of inconsistent, deluded, double standards that mean I can't respect idiots with child like emotions.

Moby doesn’t like Zero Hedge when it disagrees with him and he doesn’t like msm news source US News today either. :coffeeread:

Here’s a story Moby won’t like: Poles burn EU flag.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/11989250/EU-flag-burned-as-tens-of-thousands-join-Warsaw-nationalist-demo.html?fbclid=IwAR2XdGmyphGY6Ay5NQMqZZ4b765B4pINintOaCWyAxz1ALHlkgzlXjCSHwk

Yea I've already seen them being labelled as far right, nazi loving nationalists.....again. That's about as disrespectful as one can get given what that country has been through but I'm not surprised either. Liberals are more militant and deceitful than the right. The tide is turning and whilst we hear about the EU being united, several member states are at direct odds with it and even the members who appear to be on board, have substantial portions of their societies beginning to wake up.

Liberalisms had its turn and it failed. Things are changing and only the ignorant are unwilling to see that. Brexit and Trump both happened because people weren't happy with how things were and they weren't being listened to. The Greeks, the Italians, Hungarians, Poles....its just the start of it and without drastic reform, the EU's finished.

Title: Re: President Trump - no show
Post by: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 11:33:03 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 12, 2018, 11:00:36 AM

Moby - This doesn't prove that the left wing media didn't report it though eh? (Big hint here btw) It only proves that a few other news organisations followed suit. The left wing foamed at the weekends story, just read the comments from the champagne socialists who read the Times and the Guardian.

What a rotten attempt to deflect from the obvious fact that all newspapers were reporting 'Trampu's' 'shyness' ...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/10/donald-trump-brands-emmanuel-macrons-call-eu-army-insulting/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/10/donald-trump-brands-emmanuel-macrons-call-eu-army-insulting/)

So. is the Torygraph left wing ..? ;)

SIXTY other heads of state manged to make t, btw

He could have hitched a ride with Macron ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 12, 2018, 12:33:45 PM

Quote from: rosco on November 12, 2018, 11:07:51 AM

Clearly scatty, emotionally under developed and one of life's odd balls, its sad to see a man in his 60's behaving as he does.

* If he's younger than that then I do apologise. People with mental health problems often look older than they actually are.

He keeps saying he's under 60. Yet in his videos he has very grey hair, lots of wrinkles and a weird twitch. He looks closer to 70 than 60 even.

The appearance isn't even the bad part. What 60 year old do you know constantly posts provocative bikini pics of his partner on a forum to brag to strangers. He just posted another one today.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 12:37:24 PM

Quote from: rosco on November 12, 2018, 11:17:20 AM

Yea I've already seen them being labelled as far right, nazi loving nationalists.....again. That's about as disrespectful as one can get given what that country has been through but I'm not surprised either. Liberals are more militant and deceitful than the right. The tide is turning and whilst we hear about the EU being united, several member states are at direct odds with it and even the members who appear to be on board, have substantial portions of their societies beginning to wake up.

Liberalisms had its turn and it failed. Things are changing and only the ignorant are unwilling to see that. Brexit and Trump both happened because people weren't happy with how things were and they weren't being listened to. The Greeks, the Italians, Hungarians, Poles....its just the start of it and without drastic reform, the EU's finished.

1/ I refer to 'Trampu' as such - as it's how the Russians refer to him .. Trampau ? I;m not the only one needing glasses

2/ Only the ignorant are unwilling to prove their Brexit wet dream was a lie

3/ The UK / Ireland NEVER had to take those immigrants and the likes of Poland fell over themselves to get in the club and signed up to those Directives

The IGNORANT believe the promises of 'Le Pen and their ilk ..they really are that easily taken in by 'nationalist' tendencies ....

Title: Re: Putin gives President Trump the thumbs up
Post by: Guile on November 12, 2018, 12:39:52 PM

Cool vid.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 12, 2018, 12:45:18 PM

Trump is 72 and looks younger than Moby!! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump - sting 123's continued moby love-in
Post by: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 01:35:07 PM

Poor Sting 123

Never thinks through what he writes ..

Quote from: sting 123 on November 12, 2018, 12:33:45 PM

He keeps saying he's under 60. Yet in his videos he has very grey hair, lots of wrinkles and a weird twitch. He looks closer to 70 than 60 even.

Lots of hair ( 'grey' - or not - is better than lack of hair ) and if you think I'm 'bovvered' by your opinion of the state of my wrinkles,'twitches' etc., .. newsflash ... I'd be far more worried to be alone ... not needing virtual 'friends' - like some

It is most revealing how Sting 123 can't notice that I've a presence on the net and I'm not worried what strangers and even stranger folk think ...

Loonies who have issues with my opinions are welcome anytime ... they never seem to come - perhaps they can't afford the plane ticket ?

Have you got anything truthful or relevant to offer to the thread title ? It's 'Trampu', BTW

As we are talking Cyprus I thought this piece from the Cyprus Mail would neatly bring us back to the thread title

With Trump sitting nearby, Macron calls nationalism a betrayal - VVP was there, too

https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/11/11/with-trump-sitting-nearby-macron-calls-nationalism-a-betrayal/ (https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/11/11/with-trump-sitting-nearby-macron-calls-nationalism-a-betrayal/)

Quote from: sting 123 on November 12, 2018, 12:33:45 PM

The appearance isn't even the bad part. What 60 year old do you know constantly posts provocative bikini pics of his partner on a forum to brag to strangers. He just posted another one today. He's the only one.

I'm not 60, nor in my sixties - not that facts matter to you

What you can't seem to figure out is this fifty -something bloke normally posts the photos of 'provocative bikini' shots in direct response to laughable estimations of our lives and as keeps being pointed out ...the subject will have given permission for their use .. Don't you know that most Russians don't give a....

Makes me doubt anything you say....

You asked for a Russian video - so you got another one ... be careful what you wish for ..

I entitled it " 'Grey Hair', 'wrinkles' (and hot chillies )" ...just for you !

I made Ajapsandal ( Ajapsandali in Georgian / Azeri ) - a great veggie dish ( Armenian ), we drank some beer by the pool and even SC couldn't handle a chillie sauce I made - she claimed "no sauce would be too hot" for her too eat ;)

Thanks for reminding us of the lousy life us oldies lead ...

Title: Re: President Trump - no show
Post by: rosco on November 12, 2018, 02:26:28 PM

Quote from: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 11:33:03 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 12, 2018, 11:00:36 AM

Moby - This doesn't prove that the left wing media didn't report it though eh? (Big hint here btw) It only proves that a few other news organisations followed suit. The left wing foamed at the weekends story, just read the comments from the champagne socialists who read the Times and the Guardian.

What a rotten attempt to deflect from the obvious fact that all newspapers were reporting 'Trampu's' 'shyness' ...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/10/donald-trump-brands-emmanuel-macrons-call-eu-army-insulting/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/10/donald-trump-brands-emmanuel-macrons-call-eu-army-insulting/)

So. is the Torygraph left wing ..? ;)

SIXTY other heads of state manged to make t, btw

He could have hitched a ride with Macron ..

It’s practically pointless debating this with you Moby, neither of us know the hard facts but only one of us wants to spill our beans at the sniff of an attack on Trump.

So back to facts, this still doesn’t prove that the left wing media didn’t report it and the legions of libtards weren’t foaming at the event, just like you are now. The same lunatics then staunchly defend Corbyn because they must. Hypocrisy.

Hint - this is my point, whilst you try your best to divert and argue.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 12, 2018, 02:56:43 PM

Some folk and their thinking. :'(

If the helicopter of the president of the only global super power is not good enough for the president then there's no way that he could hitch a ride in any other helicopter.

Even if protocol might allow it, security concerns certainly wouldn't. Anyone dumb enough to suggest otherwise has never had the chance to compare the arrangements of the US president and any other head of state.

This stuff might be for show, but that doesn't make it less real for those involved.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 12, 2018, 05:41:42 PM

Quote from: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 10:46:39 AM

It is what he is called in Russian ... but you 'knew' that, right :dh:

While you continue to mention my name / post bollox - you'll excuse me if I fail to accede to your request ...

Is this forum in English or Russian? And Russians don't call him "TrampU" it's written as Трамп and pronounced as such. :dh:

Your Russian is such a low level it's useless. And I'm pretty sure you don't watch political news in Russian.

You are such an attention whore that you purposefully misspell TRUMP to get a rise outta people.
And you are jealous when I talk to Wiz that you even have to butt in.

One funny thing is you look older than Trump even though you say you are under 60! :laugh: :chuckle:

Title: Putin talked to Trump
Post by: Guile on November 12, 2018, 05:49:59 PM

Putin confirms he talked to Trump. "Da".

I'll let Moby translate the question the reporter asked.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 12, 2018, 07:30:37 PM

The Arizona Senate seat went to the Dems Will Florida be next?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 12, 2018, 08:25:27 PM

The Dems will be very busy with already 85 planned investigations against President Trump.
More taxpayers dollars down the toilet.

Title: Re: President Trump - no show
Post by: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 08:37:53 PM

Quote from: rosco on November 12, 2018, 02:26:28 PM

Hint - this is my point, whilst you try your best to divert and argue.

Your ' point' suggested 'lefty media 'were behind this story..

1/ I've just demonstrated - that in the UK, at least - ALL media ran it

2/ As for being diversionary / obfuscating - you are currently excelling yourself

3/ As SIXTY ( six zero ) other leaders made the memorial - you still believe the US President's team had no back p contingency ?

How about realising that sometimes the indefensible is just that ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 09:08:06 PM

Quote from: sting 123 on November 12, 2018, 05:41:42 PM

Russians don't call him "TrampU" it's written as Трамп and pronounced as such.

Your Russian is such a low level it's useless. And I'm pretty sure you don't watch political news in Russian.

Funnily enough that was EXACTLY what I was going to prove about you ..

ПОЛИТИКА 14 часов назад
The Guardian (Великобритания): Путин показал Трампу большой палец, а тот пожаловался на осадки

POLITICS 14 hours ago
The Guardian (UK): Putin gave Trump the thumbs up and he complained about the rain

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1954/44038180260_3e2ceb1d55_b.jpg)

So, which one of us just proved their Russian Grammar ain't their strong point? :chuckle:

IF you do a search for 'Trampu' - you'll find not a few Slavic languages use this form ...

Quote from: sting 123 on November 12, 2018, 05:41:42 PM

One funny thing is you look older than Trump even though you say you are under 60!

Hmm, your accuracy re 'Trampu's'' age wasn't correct, either .. he's 72, not 73 !

Title: Re: President Trump - no show
Post by: BillyB on November 12, 2018, 10:33:37 PM

Quote from: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 11:33:03 AM

SIXTY other heads of state manged to make t, btw

He could have hitched a ride with Macron ..

Below video is how the American President rolls on home turf on a scheduled event. He'll get more when out of town. No other world leaders standards of travelling meet the requirements the Secret Service gives Trump. He gets tow trucks, ambulances, bomb squad, swat team, and an army of law enforcement officers. You want Trump to drain all available on duty law enforcement officers in Paris and disrupt businesses and hundreds of thousands of people's lives by closing roads so he can get to a cemetery to lay a wreath and observe a moment of silence. Dumb. He had a helicopter to get to the cemetery. Didn't work out so he honored veterans in a different way.

Title: Re: President Trump - no show- pathetic excuses
Post by: msmoby on November 13, 2018, 12:24:21 AM

Billy B attempts to defend defend the indefensible everywhere !

There are other - laughable ones, too:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24839/dont-be-so-quick-to-blame-trumps-no-show-at-cemetery-on-the-president-himself

(http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24839/dont-be-so-quick-to-blame-trumps-no-show-at-cemetery-on-the-president-himself)

''Evem' Fox has got the memo:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-takes-heat-over-scrapped-trip-to-cemetery-in-france (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-takes-heat-over-scrapped-trip-to-cemetery-in-france)

BillyB refuses to mote 'O'Bama' managed to defy rain and wind to get to places..

Title: Re: President Trump - no show
Post by: Wiz on November 13, 2018, 01:18:59 AM

Quote from: BillyB on November 12, 2018, 10:33:37 PM

Quote from: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 11:33:03 AM
SIXTY other heads of state manged to make t, btw

He could have hitched a ride with Macron ..

Below video is how the American President rolls on home turf on a scheduled event. He'll get more when out of town. No other world leaders standards of travelling meet the requirements the Secret Service gives Trump. He gets tow trucks, ambulances, bomb squad, swat team, and an army of law enforcement officers. You want Trump to drain all available on duty law enforcement officers in Paris and disrupt businesses and hundreds of thousands of people's lives by closing roads so he can get to a cemetery to lay a wreath and observe a moment of silence. Dumb. He had a helicopter to get to the cemetery. Didn't work out so he honored veterans in a different way.

Best thing is for him to stay at home and not bother visiting any other country.
Pointless bringing such big chaos for the Mafia President........ he is not welcome in most countries, anyway. :chuckle:

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump - no show
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 03:43:22 AM

Quote from: Wiz on November 13, 2018, 01:18:59 AM

Quote from: BillyB on November 12, 2018, 10:33:37 PM
Quote from: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 11:33:03 AM
SIXTY other heads of state manged to make t, btw

He could have hitched a ride with Macron ..

Below video is how the American President rolls on home turf on a scheduled event. He'll get more when out of town. No other world leaders standards of travelling meet the requirements the Secret Service gives Trump. He gets tow trucks, ambulances, bomb squad, swat team, and an army of law enforcement officers. You want Trump to drain all available on duty law enforcement officers in Paris and disrupt businesses and hundreds of thousands of people's lives by closing roads so he can get to a cemetery to lay a wreath and observe a moment of silence. Dumb. He had a helicopter to get to the cemetery. Didn't work out so he honored veterans in a different way.

Best thing is for him to stay at home and not bother visiting any other country.
Pointless bringing such big chaos for the Mafia President........ he is not welcome in most countries, anyway.

tiphat

Speak for yourself. Did you get denied access to the USA last time due to one of your temper tantrums?

The USA isn’t going to be a part of any Globalist schemes, so let puppet Macron whine.

Title: Moby lies with no shame
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 08:38:50 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 09:08:06 PM

Hmm, your accuracy re 'Trampu's'' age wasn't correct, either .. he's 72, not 73 !

Quote from: Guile on November 12, 2018, 12:45:18 PM

Trump is 72 and looks younger than Moby!! :laugh:

Do you have bad eyes or just lie shamelessly as a troll? I wrote he's 72, where the hell do you see me write 73?!!!?!?

We all KNOW you twist and stretch the truth to make a point but this is ridiculous. You need your eyes checked.

Title: Re: President Trump - no show
Post by: rosco on November 13, 2018, 08:49:24 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 08:37:53 PM

Quote from: rosco on November 12, 2018, 02:26:28 PM

Hint - this is my point, whilst you try your best to divert and argue.

Your ' point' suggested 'lefty media 'were behind this story..

1/ I've just demonstrated - that in the UK, at least - ALL media ran it

2/ As for being diversionary / obfuscating - you are currently excelling yourself

3/ As SIXTY ( six zero ) other leaders made the memorial - you still believe the US President's team had no back p contingency ?

How about realising that sometimes the indefensible is just that ?

You demonstrated that all media ran the bias half true stories? You're completely deluded. :dh:

You're attempting to divert the discussion away from the Trump fiasco and the hypocrisy, to try to win some silly argument about how a few other papers ran with a similar theme as opposed to reporting facts. It's classic Moby tactics and to further upset you, most of those who ran with the half true story, have now had to add clarifications to cover their arse.

My point for the final time, was that the liberal media jumped all over it without hesitation, and their libtard following (via Facebook and twitter) had to rinse their knickers out before exploding! This section of the media (and a few other as you've pointed out) ran with the Trumps an embarrassment theme. Not every media outlet ran with this Moby and you'll get caught lying again if you continue to argue. Some reported the story without having to jump on the "lets slag Trump again" bandwagon.

Please read very slowly the following links, whereby the journalist reports rather than attacks and in some cases, clarify the situation which may have mislead libtards.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/11/11/world/europe/ap-eu-wwi-trump-cemetery.html
https://theprovince.com/pmn/news-pmn/trump-visit-to-us-cemetery-in-france-cancelled-due-to-rain/wcm/6c216b34-a0f1-4f69-8b47-8a336108f18c
https://www.wmbfnews.com/2018/11/11/trump-visit-us-cemetery-france-canceled-due-rain/

We don't know exactly what goes on behind the scenes but you're the only one between us, who jumps to conclusions because you don't like Trump. This is all quite simple stuff for normal people but you like to argue and divert as opposed to eye ball reality.

So bugger off and be a basket case elsewhere.

Title: Russian Grammar Lesson 101 for Moby
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 08:52:38 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 09:08:06 PM

ПОЛИТИКА 14 часов назад
The Guardian (Великобритания): Путин показал Трампу большой палец, а тот пожаловался на осадки

POLITICS 14 hours ago
The Guardian (UK): Putin gave Trump the thumbs up and he complained about the rain

Now I KNOW you can't read Russian or know ANYTHING about Russian grammar. that phrase reads Путин показал Трампу, "Putin showed Trump".... It's the Russian accusative case where you add an у.... If I said "Putin went with Trump" it's changed to TrumpOM"

You just proved you CAN'T READ RUSSIAN. :ROFL: :ROFL:

This Youtube title says Трамп и Путин, "Trump and Putin"...notice there is no у ending because it is in the nominative case.

You LIE about your Russian level and got CAUGHT. You have never taken Russian classes or formal lessons. It shows because you don't even know how Russian cases and grammar works. :'(

Title: Russian grammar lesson 102 for Moby
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 09:13:41 AM

If you say the phrase "Trump's age", you add an A to his name end. Russians don't use the "'s" to indicate possesion.

возраст трампа

This is the Russian Genitive Case (Possessive)

Forming the Genitive Case
Masculine Nouns:
1. If the noun ends in a consonant, add “а”.
2. Replace “й”, with “я”.
3. Replace “ь”, add “я”.

Any more questions? Stick to writing Trump's name in English. You just proved your knowledge of Russian cases is NIL.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 13, 2018, 09:24:30 AM

Actually, its very sad that even with the one sided stories in the media, that anyone really thinks that Trump made a mess of his travel plans and couldn't be arsed going to one of the most important memorials.

If you think Trump plans his own journeys including security, you're an idiot. If you think Trump decided he couldn't be bothered and nobody on the Whitehouse staff thought to encourage him, then you're an idiot. If there was a logistical mistake or the lack of a plan B due to bad weather, then its not exactly Donald Trumps fault is it?

The guys unique in many ways and I don't always agree with what he says or does, but at least slag him for something real!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 09:24:48 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 09:08:06 PM

So, which one of us just proved their Russian Grammar ain't their strong point? :chuckle:

As they say on the streets, "You just got PWNED" :laugh: :laugh: :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 09:28:24 AM

Good points rosco... Only those with a pea for a brain would think that Trump would deliberately skip going to the memorial.

He showed up to all the other events with the rest of the world leaders.

Basically it's Moby trolling the forums again with his usual antics. "He's happier than a pig in sh*t" when he does this stuff.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 09:38:23 AM

For those who don't know, Russian grammar has 6 cases and corresponding endings.

Trump as a proper noun in Russian can be written as "Trump, TrumpA, TrumpU, TrumpOM, TrumpE" The A ending is used in 2 different cases.

http://russianlearn.com/grammar/category/declension_of_proper_names

Moby arbitrarily writes "TrampU" in the wrong case and context. The correct way would be трамп if you are referring to just his name.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 10:30:36 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 13, 2018, 09:24:30 AM

Actually, its very sad that even with the one sided stories in the media, that anyone really thinks that Trump made a mess of his travel plans and couldn't be arsed going to one of the most important memorials.

If you think Trump plans his own journeys including security, you're an idiot. If you think Trump decided he couldn't be bothered and nobody on the Whitehouse staff thought to encourage him, then you're an idiot. If there was a logistical mistake or the lack of a plan B due to bad weather, then its not exactly Donald Trumps fault is it?

The guys unique in many ways and I don't always agree with what he says or does, but at least slag him for something real!

The Secret Service makes all of these type of decisions, in a way he’s along for the ride.

The article I read stated there was zero visibility and going by helicopter was out of the question.

If Trump had insisted on going by motorcade and blocking all the roads in the process the media would have slagged him for that as well.

He just does his best to go about his business knowing there will be negative persons in the media at all times.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 10:55:54 AM

Trump taunts Macron.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-tweet-world-war-nato-germany-remembrance-day-a8631426.html?fbclid=IwAR0Eu1XnpzUbKlUA3jlv-kb9tXlmK9ddZN503-YKOTbMkuYQFbEKFaWV8E0

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on November 13, 2018, 11:02:09 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 13, 2018, 10:55:54 AM

Trump taunts Macron.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-tweet-world-war-nato-germany-remembrance-day-a8631426.html?fbclid=IwAR0Eu1XnpzUbKlUA3jlv-kb9tXlmK9ddZN503-YKOTbMkuYQFbEKFaWV8E0

I am all for the EU having their own army without the US. Would save a lot of money.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 11:07:08 AM

Quote from: yankee on November 13, 2018, 11:02:09 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 13, 2018, 10:55:54 AM
Trump taunts Macron.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-emmanuel-macron-eu-army-tweet-world-war-nato-germany-remembrance-day-a8631426.html?fbclid=IwAR0Eu1XnpzUbKlUA3jlv-kb9tXlmK9ddZN503-YKOTbMkuYQFbEKFaWV8E0

I am all for the EU having their own army without the US. Would save a lot of money.

:thumbsup:

They'd be speaking Russian or Chinese within 50 years without our help....

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 11:17:26 AM

the French are a sensitive bunch...I did a few contract jobs there and dealing with the locals was a pain. They have this entitled sense of self and as soon as you speak English to them they recoil in horror.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Donhollio on November 13, 2018, 11:17:43 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 13, 2018, 09:24:30 AM

Actually, its very sad that even with the 7one sided stories in the media, that anyone really thinks that Trump made a mess of his travel plans and couldn't be arsed going to one of the most important memorials.

If you think Trump plans his own journeys including security, you're an idiot. If you think Trump decided he couldn't be bothered and nobody on the Whitehouse staff thought to encourage him, then you're an idiot. If there was a logistical mistake or the lack of a plan B due to bad weather, then its not exactly Donald Trumps fault is it?

The guys unique in many ways and I don't always agree with what he says or does, but at least slag him for something real!

Two years in office and has never visited the troops. Bush surprised troops overseas one year by showing up solo on Thanksgiving.

Rosco to and other cant constantly blame bias leftwing media, they fo report facts, facts that dont sit well with staunch rightwingers who use the left as a cop out for everything.
There is always a backup plan to move the USA president. Always. You're telling me he was stuck in his hotel room if things got heated? Please.
He's a draft Dodger, with an alleged bone spur. Even a reprobate like him may have difficulties standing in front of troops, knowing that they are more courageous than he could ever hope to be.

I come here weekly and all I see running in posts is the left wing media this and that. Post some facts from right wing media, (not guys with blogs) and I'll be happy to read them.
Rosco you and others make it sound like the leftwing media is all there is, when the reality is they may mean slightly to the left, not as far as say Faux News is to the right.

This post isnt directed solely at Rosco, just a summary of the last two pages in this topic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 12:58:31 PM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 13, 2018, 11:17:43 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 13, 2018, 09:24:30 AM
Actually, its very sad that even with the 7one sided stories in the media, that anyone really thinks that Trump made a mess of his travel plans and couldn't be arsed going to one of the most important memorials.

If you think Trump plans his own journeys including security, you're an idiot. If you think Trump decided he couldn't be bothered and nobody on the Whitehouse staff thought to encourage him, then you're an idiot. If there was a logistical mistake or the lack of a plan B due to bad weather, then its not exactly Donald Trumps fault is it?

The guys unique in many ways and I don't always agree with what he says or does, but at least slag him for something real!

Two years in office and has never visited the troops. Bush surprised troops overseas one year by showing up solo on Thanksgiving.

Rosco to and other cant constantly blame bias leftwing media, they fo report facts, facts that dont sit well with staunch rightwingers who use the left as a cop out for everything.
There is always a backup plan to move the USA president. Always. You're telling me he was stuck in his hotel room if things got heated? Please.
He's a draft Dodger, with an alleged bone spur. Even a reprobate like him may have difficulties standing in front of troops, knowing that they are more courageous than he could ever hope to be.

I come here weekly and all I see running in posts is the left wing media this and that. Post some facts from right wing media, (not guys with blogs) and I'll be happy to read them.
Rosco you and others make it sound like the leftwing media is all there is, when the reality is they may mean slightly to the left, not as far as say Faux News is to the right.

This post isnt directed solely at Rosco, just a summary of the last two pages in this topic.

Bush Jr needed armed guards to keep him from being shot by his own troops, yet an Iraqi still got off a good throw with a shoe.

Trump already visited the troops on the east coast. If he stays away from ME messes he didn’t start that’s a good thing; optics.

I can think of three combat Veterans right now who don’t give a rats ass about parades or visits from phoney warmongering war profiteering politicians.

Title: Re: sting now claims to have worked in France ;)
Post by: msmoby on November 13, 2018, 12:59:28 PM

Quote from: sting123 on November 13, 2018, 11:17:26 AM

the French are a sensitive bunch...I did a few contract jobs there and dealing with the locals was a pain. They have this entitled sense of self and as soon as you speak English to them they recoil in horror.

The French differ - like most people depending on the region ..

I have lived and worked in Paris, Normandy and Charante Maratime - and organised a twinning with a Breton village in my forties ..My first born was well treated in the French NHS

When I spoke French regularly, I sounded like someone from Paris and when the locals learnt I was NOT from Paris - they became friendlier

'Surprise' - I do not recognise our Sting's 'description' - I'm forming an opinion that he truly is the fantasist here

They haven't had a Thacherite revolution and the Unions are still strong ...

Macron stand a better chance of changing attitudes

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 13, 2018, 01:06:39 PM

President Trump in another racist act.

Title: Re: sting now claims to have worked in France ;)
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 01:54:09 PM

double post

Title: Re: sting now claims to have worked in France ;)
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 01:55:25 PM

Quote from: msmoby on November 13, 2018, 12:59:28 PM

I have lived and worked in Paris, Normandy and Charante Maratime - and organised a twinning with a Breton village in my forties ..My first born was well treated in the French NHS

Dude what work did you do in Paris? Another fib huh.

I got the passport stamp and employer records. I was in France this year. Just because you lie doesn't mean other people do. :dh:

Title: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 02:00:23 PM

Quote from: Guile on November 13, 2018, 01:54:09 PM

double post

Moby is full of it. I was in Paris twice some 30+ years ago. Parisians are often rude and nasty to English speakers, especially to Americans.

It’s not really a mystery, it’s just who they are.

BTW Moldy stop changing the damn titles! A$$hole.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 02:12:12 PM

Paris has some great sites like the Louvre, champs elysees, Palais de versailles but their customer service and attitude is horrible. I didn't bother leaving tips in several restaurants due to their poor service.

Title: Re: sting now claims to have worked in France ;)
Post by: msmoby on November 13, 2018, 02:31:06 PM

Quote from: Guile on November 13, 2018, 01:55:25 PM

Dude what work did you do in Paris? Another fib huh.

I worked out of a Chateau owned by an Arab guy - south of Paris ... we made or own plasma TV panels when 42"were still $4000 - 50" ones were 45% more - ( minus the TV tuners ) Used to sell them to Hilton, and travel agents to display their 'lates' content and control it from a central office using a pizza box media pc mounted on the back of the screen, WAY before others went into the market

Quote from: sting on November 13, 2018, 01:55:25 PM

I got the passport stamp and employer records. I was in France this year. Just because you lie doesn't mean other people do. :dh:

You'd have to have a WORK visa - not just a 'stamp' in your passport - as a Canadian ( sorry, 'US' citizen )

Given EU citizens take priority over Canadians - what critical skill category category do you 'fit' ?

Sting, I REALLY do know about these things - having JUST done two work visas for non EU citizens in two EU nations :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 02:34:11 PM

Notice how Moby trolls the thread by commenting on my post on France which has nothing to do with him?

Then changing the thread title to "Re: sting now claims to have worked in France ;)" insinuating that I'm lying?

He should be banned for this. He does it constantly.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 13, 2018, 03:18:18 PM

I have never met anyone, including linguists trained in their target language who could fool a native speaker with a good handle on syntax and usage.

The best I ever came across was the poor Swedish Finn who tried to teach me a modicum of Finnish. His English was almost flawless, his accent neutral, usage almost perfect, almost nothing jarred. I have always thought of him as being Mr Twenty-Minutes. That was about how long he could pull it off. Eventually though, something always gives.

Why all of that? Simply this: if moby is going to try to tell us that he could pass for French then one of two things is true:
1) His audience was always comprised of first generation immigrants.
2) He is, once again, lying.

Ladies and gentlemen, which option do you think is most likely to be true, option 1 or 2.
There is no 3rd option because there's no way that his French has ever reached the standard that he claims for himself.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 03:49:57 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 13, 2018, 03:18:18 PM

I have never met anyone, including linguists trained in their target language who could fool a native speaker with a good handle on syntax and usage.

The best I ever came across was the poor Swedish Finn who tried to teach me a modicum of Finnish. His English was almost flawless, his accent neutral, usage almost perfect, almost nothing jarred. I have always thought of him as being Mr Twenty-Minutes. That was about how long he could pull it off. Eventually though, something always gives.

Why all of that? Simply this: if moby is going to try to tell us that he could pass for French then one of two things is true:
1) His audience was always comprised of first generation immigrants.
2) He is, once again, lying.

Ladies and gentlemen, which option do you think is most likely to be true, option 1 or 2.
There is no 3rd option because there's no way that his French has ever reached the standard that he claims for himself.

The 3rd option is that Moby is none other than James Bond and we all know he’s not him, therefore he’s lying. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 13, 2018, 04:50:02 PM

I think that's number 2.

Could James Bond speak anything other than English?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 05:25:46 PM

Quote from: msmoby on November 13, 2018, 12:59:28 PM

When I spoke French regularly, I sounded like someone from Paris and when the locals learnt I was NOT from Paris - they became friendlier

So you are saying you had a Parisian accent that fooled a native French speaker? More likely they would have spotted your poor Irish accent in French after 10 seconds of talking. :laugh: :laugh:

Unless you started learning a new language at 6 or 7 and used it everyday in school you will NOT sound like a native speaker. You may be fluent but you'll always have an accent.

I'm a heritage speaker of Chinese, I've spoken it since birth and I STILL don't sound like someone from China. They can tell after a minute or so that I'm from overseas.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 05:36:21 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 13, 2018, 03:49:57 PM

The 3rd option is that Moby is none other than James Bond and we all know he’s not him, therefore he’s lying. :chuckle:

He dreams of being James Bond, hence all the fantasy and imaginary "people" that he comes across. And wild tales of trekking all over Russia in his 4x4 mingling with ppl like the mayor of Sochi over vodka conversing fluently like he's Tolstoy.

Wake up buddy! :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 13, 2018, 05:40:41 PM

While slightly amusing, is it not possible to take this puber girl bitching to another thread?

After a while it becomes puerile.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 05:44:35 PM

I have seen on Youtube some foreigners speaking native level Chinese. They almost always grew up in China as a kid and went to the local schools.

There is a famous Russian family who lives in China and their eldest son is a prodigy, reciting idioms like nothing.

I have seen an Indian and Caucasian who were born in Hong Kong and speak Cantonese like a native. Now that was impressive!

Trump's granddaughter from Ivanka is learning Mandarin... she speaks ok for someone learning a 2nd language.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 13, 2018, 05:59:19 PM

Sorry, can somebody help me out with 'puber girl bitching' that's an expression entirely unfamiliar to me.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 06:01:02 PM

Quote from: Guile on November 13, 2018, 05:36:21 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 13, 2018, 03:49:57 PM

The 3rd option is that Moby is none other than James Bond and we all know he’s not him, therefore he’s lying. :chuckle:

He dreams of being James Bond, hence all the fantasy and imaginary "people" that he comes across. And wild tales of trekking all over Russia in his 4x4 mingling with ppl like the mayor of Sochi over vodka conversing fluently like he's Tolstoy.

Bingo! :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 06:05:36 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 13, 2018, 04:50:02 PM

I think that's number 2.

Could James Bond speak anything other than English?

I figure if anyone could actually learn French so well it would be James Bond, other than that refer to Guile’s post. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 13, 2018, 06:05:50 PM

Puber, is slang for young adults in puberty.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 06:08:49 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 13, 2018, 05:59:19 PM

Sorry, can somebody help me out with 'puber girl bitching' that's an expression entirely unfamiliar to me.

Never heard that one before. Could be something siphoned off of a natural English speaker.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 13, 2018, 06:10:04 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 13, 2018, 04:50:02 PM

Could James Bond speak anything other than English?

In the Fleming novels James Bond speaks German and French.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 06:16:02 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 13, 2018, 06:05:50 PM

Puber, is slang for young adults in puberty.

In which English speaking enclaves is that word "puber" used to refer to puberty? I've never heard it as slang.

Careful you don't misspell it as "pubes" :ROFL:

Btw, did you need a thesarus for the word puerile or do you actually know this word? Never read this word in my life and certainly no native speaker goes around saying it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 13, 2018, 06:40:25 PM

Quote from: Guile on November 13, 2018, 06:16:02 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 13, 2018, 06:05:50 PM
Puber, is slang for young adults in puberty.

In which English speaking enclaves is that word "puber" used to refer to puberty? I've never heard it as slang.

Careful you don't misspell it as "pubes" :ROFL:

Btw, did you need a thesarus for the word puerile or do you actually know this word? Never read this word in my life and certainly no native speaker goes around saying it.

It is common in the Netherlands. Puber is also used in New England, I have often heard it regarding a bunch of infantile young teenagers.

As for not knowing the meaning of puerile, it is indicative of education.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 06:56:38 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 13, 2018, 06:40:25 PM

It is common in the Netherlands. Puber is also used in New England, I have often heard it regarding a bunch of infantile young teenagers.

As for not knowing the meaning of puerile, it is indicative of education. [/font][/size]

I thought they spoke Dutch in Holland? I will say the Dutch have some good English skills. Flew KLM a few times :thumbsup:

1 obscure word from a thesarus certainly is not indicative of education. Now if you wanna go street on da homebois in Compton we be aight dawg. Keep it 100 my man.

AvHdb- listen to an ESPN podcast or football commentary with a few "brothas" and see how much you can pick up. Ebonics is realz yo.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 07:01:12 PM

Why is Moby using a Russian spelling of Trump "(Trampu) in an English speaking forum? He doesn't even use the proper case.

He should be consistent and say "Putina" everytime he refers to Putin.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 07:08:05 PM

They are trying to frame this as coming from the First Lady. Read the article, which granted is not positive towards the President.

RE Mira Ricardel

In her role as No. 2 to national security adviser John Bolton, Ricardel berated colleagues in meetings, yelled at military aides and White House professional staff, argued with Melania Trump regarding her recent trip to Africa and spread rumors about Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, according to three current and two former White House officials.

Kelly has sought for months to oust Ricardel, calling her a problematic hire in the West Wing, and Mattis has told advisers that he wants her out as well, the officials said.

Title: Re: President Trump - no show- pathetic excuses
Post by: BillyB on November 13, 2018, 07:16:41 PM

Quote from: msmoby on November 13, 2018, 12:24:21 AM

BillyB refuses to mote 'O'Bama' managed to defy rain and wind to get to places..

Veterans and active duty troops support Republicans much more than Democrats. You think troops like Obama more than Trump. You fail to realize Trump supports troops more than Obama. You're living in a fantasy world.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/11/11/why-veterans-voted-donald-trump-swing-states/21603486/

https://news.gallup.com/poll/154904/veterans-give-romney-big-lead-obama.aspx

Quote from: Donhollio on November 13, 2018, 11:17:43 AM

Two years in office and has never visited the troops. Bush surprised troops overseas one year by showing up solo on Thanksgiving.

Link below shows Trump itinerary visiting troops overseas in Italy, Japan, and South Korea. He also visited troops at home. The liberal media tries to get their readers to believe Trump doesn't visit troops. Remember for a year and a half they made us read stories about Trump collusion with Russia on a daily basis? It's all BS. The quality of journalism today is tabloid quality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidential_trips_made_by_Donald_Trump_during_2018

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 13, 2018, 07:39:31 PM

AvHdB, why not just be honest and tell us the truth, you were drunk again and mixed up a Dutch word with an English one. No need for these childish (puerile) gymnastics, we all make mistakes when in our cups.

It ain't no biggy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 07:54:46 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 13, 2018, 07:39:31 PM

AvHdB, why not just be honest and tell us the truth, you were drunk again and mixed up a Dutch word with an English one. No need for these childish (puerile) gymnastics, we all make mistakes when in our cups.

It ain't no biggy.

AvHdB mixes up allot of things. :laugh: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 08:02:29 PM

Actually it's quite interesting watching these world leaders all meet up for events. You see the interpersonal dynamics at play and who's jostling for power.

Although this was held in France it's clear the power players are Trump, Putin and to a lesser degree Merkel. Where was the UK prime minister? Or the Irish one for that matter :ROFL:

I like this old clip when Obama first met Putin in Russia. Politics at it's finest:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 08:02:58 PM

Quote from: BillyB on November 13, 2018, 07:16:41 PM

Quote from: msmoby on November 13, 2018, 12:24:21 AM

BillyB refuses to mote 'O'Bama' managed to defy rain and wind to get to places..

Veterans and active duty troops support Republicans much more than Democrats. You think troops like Obama more than Trump. You fail to realize Trump supports troops more than Obama. You're living in a fantasy world.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/11/11/why-veterans-voted-donald-trump-swing-states/21603486/

https://news.gallup.com/poll/154904/veterans-give-romney-big-lead-obama.aspx

Quote from: Donhollio on November 13, 2018, 11:17:43 AM
Two years in office and has never visited the troops. Bush surprised troops overseas one year by showing up solo on Thanksgiving.

Link below shows Trump itinerary visiting troops overseas in Italy, Japan, and South Korea. He also visited troops at home. The liberal media tries to get their readers to believe Trump doesn't visit troops. Remember for a year and a half they made us read stories about Trump collusion with Russia on a daily basis? It's all BS. The quality of journalism today is tabloid quality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidential_trips_made_by_Donald_Trump_during_2018

BillyB is on the money here. Most troops identify as Republicans.

An educated guess would be that 90 percent or better like Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 13, 2018, 08:19:50 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 13, 2018, 07:39:31 PM

AvHdB, why not just be honest and tell us the truth, you were drunk again and mixed up a Dutch word with an English one. No need for these childish (puerile) gymnastics, we all make mistakes when in our cups.

It ain't no biggy.

Andrew, is it so difficult to listen to people, especially in English? Your only language I understand. Instead you show your ignorance, again.

And please let us know the last time you were in the States and for how long?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 08:54:17 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 13, 2018, 08:19:50 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 13, 2018, 07:39:31 PM
AvHdB, why not just be honest and tell us the truth, you were drunk again and mixed up a Dutch word with an English one. No need for these childish (puerile) gymnastics, we all make mistakes when in our cups.

It ain't no biggy.

Andrew, is it so difficult to listen to people, especially in English? Your only language I understand. Instead you show your ignorance, again.

And please let us know the last time you were in the States and for how long?

I recall reading that Andrew has studied French and speaks it quite well.

Much better than Moby I suspect. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 09:09:09 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 13, 2018, 04:50:02 PM

I think that's number 2.

Could James Bond speak anything other than English?

http://www.beingjamesbond.com/learn-a-foreign-language-like-bond/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 09:18:10 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 13, 2018, 08:54:17 PM

I recall reading that Andrew has studied French and speaks it quite well.

Much better than Moby I suspect. :chuckle:

French isn't that uesful in the overall scheme of things. And besides who wants to talk to French people :ROFL:

Moby saying he speaks French so well that native French speakers think he's from Paris has got to be one of his most far fetched lies! :GRRRR:

His low level of Russian confirms that he isn't good at language learning. He's been with 2 Russian speaking women and supposely been to Russia many times. He should be at least conversationally fluent.

Now he's saying he had a perfect Parisian accent from his short time in France? gimme a break

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 09:24:30 PM

Quote from: Guile on November 13, 2018, 05:25:46 PM

Quote from: msmoby on November 13, 2018, 12:59:28 PM

When I spoke French regularly, I sounded like someone from Paris and when the locals learnt I was NOT from Paris - they became friendlier

So you are saying you had a Parisian accent that fooled a native French speaker? More likely they would have spotted your poor Irish accent in French after 10 seconds of talking. :laugh: :laugh:

Unless you started learning a new language at 6 or 7 and used it everyday in school you will NOT sound like a native speaker. You may be fluent but you'll always have an accent.

I'm a heritage speaker of Chinese, I've spoken it since birth and I STILL don't sound like someone from China. They can tell after a minute or so that I'm from overseas.

我把剧情复杂化了？
谁不喜欢剧情偶尔扭转，你是。。。？
邦。占士邦

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 09:26:57 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 13, 2018, 09:09:09 PM

http://www.beingjamesbond.com/learn-a-foreign-language-like-bond/

This reminds me of the Jason Bourne movie series where Matt Damon speaks some German and Russian... his Russian is passable.

What is cringy is when actors fake a Russian accent like John Malkovich in Rounders.

Brosnan's fake accent isn't half bad actually haha...but his Russian sucks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 09:33:49 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 13, 2018, 09:24:30 PM

我把剧情复杂化了？
谁不喜欢剧情偶尔扭转，你是。。。？
邦。占士邦

朋友, 這是非常好的!

but his name sounds bad in Chinese transliteration. Trump's name in Chinese sounds bad too!

https://www.whatsonweibo.com/trump-two-different-names-chinese/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 09:41:29 PM

Quote from: Guile on November 13, 2018, 09:33:49 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 13, 2018, 09:24:30 PM

我把剧情复杂化了？
谁不喜欢剧情偶尔扭转，你是。。。？
邦。占士邦

朋友, 這是非常好的!

but his name sounds bad in Chinese transliteration. Trump's name in Chinese sounds bad too!

https://www.whatsonweibo.com/trump-two-different-names-chinese/

I’m assuming you know that was supposed to be Bond, James Bond, from the Bond link I posted above.

I was wondering about how that might translate because that’s right, not everything in English sounds good in a foreign language. :)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 09:53:30 PM

Yeah, the first 2 sentences don't really make sense because there is no reference.

你是。。。？ You are?
邦。占士邦 Bond, James Bond.

This is the pinyin (romanization) Bāng. Zhàn shì bāng. as you can see, not even close! Put the Chinese characters in Google translate and play the voice to hear how it sounds.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 13, 2018, 09:57:47 PM

You probably know this but Bruce Lee's stage name in Chinese is 李小龍 which means Lee Little Dragon.

Most if not all Chinese people know him by this name and not his real name.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2018, 10:07:38 PM

Quote from: Guile on November 13, 2018, 09:57:47 PM

You probably know this but Bruce Lee's stage name in Chinese is 李小龍 which means Lee Little Dragon.

Most if not all Chinese people know him by this name and not his real name.

Little Dragon I was familiar with.

A great man his spirit lives on and still inspires millions.

http://www.seattleglobalist.com/2015/04/10/bruce-lee-grave-seattle-landmark-global-attraction/34662

Title: Re: Moby's natural French
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 14, 2018, 03:16:38 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 13, 2018, 12:59:28 PM

Quote from: sting123 on November 13, 2018, 11:17:26 AM
the French are a sensitive bunch...I did a few contract jobs there and dealing with the locals was a pain. They have this entitled sense of self and as soon as you speak English to them they recoil in horror.

The French differ - like most people depending on the region ..

I have lived and worked in Paris, Normandy and Charante Maratime - and organised a twinning with a Breton village in my forties ..My first born was well treated in the French NHS

When I spoke French regularly, I sounded like someone from Paris and when the locals learnt I was NOT from Paris - they became friendlier

'Surprise' - I do not recognise our Sting's 'description' - I'm forming an opinion that he truly is the fantasist here

They haven't had a Thacherite revolution and the Unions are still strong ...

Macron stand a better chance of changing attitudes

Is this written in 'natural' French?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 14, 2018, 03:52:15 AM

Quote from: Guile on November 13, 2018, 08:02:29 PM

Actually it's quite interesting watching these world leaders all meet up for events. You see the interpersonal dynamics at play and who's jostling for power.

Although this was held in France it's clear the power players are Trump, Putin and to a lesser degree Merkel. Where was the UK prime minister? Or the Irish one for that matter :ROFL:

I like this old clip when Obama first met Putin in Russia. Politics at it's finest:

Putin appears frosty at best, in this clip! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 14, 2018, 07:59:00 AM

I think that our fantastically fluent French fooling friend was trying to write 'Charente Maritime'. I'd have thought moby might have known that, even I know that and I can't fool anyone with my French.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 14, 2018, 08:00:35 AM

I think it is safe to say that Putin has some respect for Trump. He has none for Obama.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 14, 2018, 10:38:09 AM

With all of Moby's shameless and blatant lying I'm gonna start calling him Pinocchio-Moby in honor of his character. Maybe shorten it to Pinoc-Mob.

Shouldn't Pinoc-Mob be banned for a week or month every time he lies? He questions other people's claims like if I ever worked in France, yet he has carte blanche (you know this French phrase Pinoc?) to write whatever he wants.

No one believes that he could mimic a Parisian accent well enough to fool other French ppl.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 14, 2018, 10:40:14 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 14, 2018, 08:00:35 AM

I think it is safe to say that Putin has some respect for Trump. He has none for Obama.

What's interesting is he likes Chinese president Xi. They are making pancakes (blini) here together. Doubt that would happen with any of the western leaders:

No English subtitles but they are just making small talk. Xi says the 2 caviars are different, later asks Putin "is this vodka?" Putin says it's not the Great wall because we are in Russia, but it's white wine..." maybe some Russian humor.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2018, 10:48:03 AM

Kemp says he has won the race for Governor in Georgia.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2018, 11:45:14 AM

I’m posting this one for Donholio and Moby.

Now you guys cannot claim that I never post anything critical of the Prez.

What’s funny about it to me is the image of Trump skipping the event to eat cheeseburgers while libs screech. :laugh:

https://theweek.com/speedreads/807650/retired-army-general-says-trump-skipped-veterans-event-france-eat-cheeseburgers-watch-tv

Title: President Trump Doctrine: Lower taxes = increased revenues
Post by: 2tallbill on November 14, 2018, 12:32:29 PM

Silly Liberals what happens when the facts don't match their narrative?
The Liberals Lie and say that the tax cut is going to blow up the national
debt, when in fact Trump lowered taxes for everybody, but the tax revenues
actually increased.

It's true that the deficit increased because they spent even more than they
were taking in.

Imagine the guy who works at a gas station who gets a raise from $10 per
hour to $15 per hour. Then he goes out and buys a $45K pickup with a 5 year
loan and complains that the wage increase caused his deficit to increase.

That boys and girls is the argument that the liberals are waging.

Feds Collect Record Taxes in October
This October’s record $252,692,000,000 in total tax collections was $11,414,590,000
more than the $241,277,410,000 (in constant October 2018 dollars) that the federal
government collected in October 2017

(https://www.cnsnews.com/s3/files/styles/content_100p/s3/octtax7.jpg?itok=p20MMHaC)
read the entire story here
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/feds-collect-record-taxes-october-still-run-100b-deficit

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2018, 07:54:45 PM

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-13/nationalists-patriots-former-rothschild-bankers?fbclid=IwAR23AwGXNO8OPFJJAFCcSCj1wsNlXGVjC84sLEVLuGDWeIQfhFXEBa2RhWI

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2018, 09:47:31 AM

President Trump backs prison reform.

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President Trump backs historic prison reform

Shortly after 4:30 p.m. today, President Donald J. Trump called on Congress to take action and support the FIRST STEP Act, a bipartisan bill that will reform America’s prisons and improve our Nation’s criminal justice system.

“Our whole Nation benefits if former inmates are able to reenter society as productive, law-abiding citizens,” the President says.

One-in-three American adults today has some type of criminal record, and more than 2 million Americans are in prison—including 181,000 in Federal penitentiaries. More than 95 percent of these inmates will eventually leave prison and face the challenge of restarting their lives. Among Federal inmates today, nearly 40 percent will be rearrested within five years of release.

That outcome helps no one. The FIRST STEP Act will make our communities safer by making our justice system work better in three key ways:
Provide incentives for low-risk inmates to receive crucial support services, including vocational training and faith-based programs to ease reentry

House more prisoners in facilities closer to their own communities, allowing for family visitation and greater local support

Roll back certain provisions of former President Clinton’s infamous crime law, reforming mandatory minimums that have led to racially discriminatory outcomes and increased prison overcrowding
Get the facts: President Trump backs historic prison reform

Watch: President Trump’s announcement from the White House

Vice President Pence’s trip to Asia

Vice President Mike Pence is in Asia this week, representing the United States in a series of key summits throughout the region. His mission is simple: advance President Trump’s vision of a free and open Indo-Pacific.

“The United States seeks collaboration, not control,” the Vice President wrote in The Washington Post before departing. “We seek an Indo-Pacific — from the United States to India, from Japan to Australia, and everywhere in between — where sovereignty is respected, where commerce flows unhindered and where independent nations are masters of their own destinies.”

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2018, 08:35:34 PM

President Trump visits Marines in WA DC.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/15/donald-trump-melania-trump-visit-hero-marines-washington-dc/amp/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2018, 11:19:35 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on October 30, 2018, 10:28:12 AM

Not a myth, there are differences in IQ across ethnic groups. Unfortunate but true.

It is silly to imagine that, for example, only Jews act in their shared interests, we all do that. There are some cultural differences in terms of how some groups handle money, as an example of cultural differences, but they are fairly marginal.

A good rebuttal to your claim.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/11/12/why-white-gentiles-cant-get-admission-to-ivy-league-universities/?fbclid=IwAR3UeQuqaLnqvt36TAgsI1LnYjVot9cTp5U39uynPbEeJrE1QZIx9MlUKq4

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 16, 2018, 05:06:02 AM

How does that piece provide a good rebuttal to the points you highlighted?

Does it say that IQ does not differ across ethnic groups?

Does it suggest that Jews do not act, as a group, in furtherance of the group's self interest?

Does the piece suggest that white Caucasians do not act in their own self interest?

It seems to me that you did not understand either the words I wrote or the words to which you linked.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 16, 2018, 12:19:38 PM

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/600257af2f43af6e09c78ce71a356ed3/tumblr_piaj3z9LKE1w7zpjco1_1280.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 16, 2018, 12:34:44 PM

Trump's association with these characters is stranger than a soap opera!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 17, 2018, 01:00:54 AM

Not long ago I liked Trump , thought he would do a better job that all the other Gangster Presidents , but now I think he's an absolute asshole..

"Make the USA Great again". "We are going to raise the tariffs" Bla bla bla

Well how about we "make Europe great again"?

Lest start by banning all imports from the USA? Do we really need all their shit? I don't need one of their stupid cars/Hamburgers/oversized jeans

In fact I think most can live without any of their stuff.. Im happy to bin all my Mac's if the governments got together and did this.

Lets make the buggers need a Visa to enter Europe, something European governments don't have the balls to do..

Do we need their oil? no!! Lets make Europe friendly with all our neighbors on our OWN continent..

Lets kick ALL the BLODDY US bases out of Europe, what the bloody hell are they doing on our soil?? WW2 finished a long time ago, they have outstayed their welcome.. get your asses out!! They are only there to create a false sense of immanent danger.. :laugh:

Yes "Lets make Europe great"

Have your Great USA Trump your just an Island in the Atlantic..no one needs it..

Zach The Celtics Guy
Zach The Celtics Guy
54 minutes ago
I am an American and I agree with them! No more of our taxpayer dollars and resources should go to fund unnecessary and illegal wars for oil and imperialism and no more wars for IsraHell!!!

they're right?? ???????? usa want to put military bases everywhere.

And close the bloody door behind you!! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 17, 2018, 01:04:43 AM

Been out on the town steveboy ? ;)

Just like Brexit - the penny is dropping re 'Trampu'

No need to take it out on 'Murricans , in general, as more of 'em voted for the other candidate ..not that she was much to shout about

Hopefully, they find someone who doesn't grate and we can all move on from this aberration

Title: Re: President Trump - thank you NZ ;)
Post by: msmoby on November 17, 2018, 04:06:09 AM

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4813/44104362440_3e821ed0d4_c.jpg)

The Commander in Crap

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 18, 2018, 04:37:53 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 17, 2018, 01:04:43 AM

Been out on the town steveboy ? ;)

Just like Brexit - the penny is dropping re 'Trampu'

No need to take it out on 'Murricans , in general, as more of 'em voted for the other candidate ..not that she was much to shout about

Hopefully, they find someone who doesn't grate and we can all move on from this aberration

The world we live in it really doesn't matter who's in power or who's doing what.. Humans by nature murder , lie and cheat and are usually always GREEDY
****** the lot of them is what I say anyway..

As long as Im ok I really don't care who's fighting , stealing or murdering ... nothing changes..

Just waiting for the Aliens to arrive and flush the Human race down the bog.. :laugh:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 18, 2018, 11:04:24 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 17, 2018, 01:04:43 AM

Just like Brexit - the penny is dropping re 'Trampu'

You have a Brexit thread about how your side lost the vote.
Why don't you whine about Brexit there? You don't need to
cross pollute threads.

Quote from: msmoby on November 17, 2018, 01:04:43 AM

Hopefully, they find someone who doesn't grate and we can all move on from this aberration

Trump is president for 4 years and it will be 8 if the Dem's nominate a left wing
nutter. You can look up Article two of the US constitution and check if you think
something changed.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1548747018/LWK_400x400.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2018, 12:36:21 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 18, 2018, 04:37:53 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 17, 2018, 01:04:43 AM
Been out on the town steveboy ? ;)

Just like Brexit - the penny is dropping re 'Trampu'

No need to take it out on 'Murricans , in general, as more of 'em voted for the other candidate ..not that she was much to shout about

Hopefully, they find someone who doesn't grate and we can all move on from this aberration

The world we live in it really doesn't matter who's in power or who's doing what.. Humans by nature murder , lie and cheat and are usually always GREEDY
****** the lot of them is what I say anyway..

As long as Im ok I really don't care who's fighting , stealing or murdering ... nothing changes..

Just waiting for the Aliens to arrive and flush the Human race down the bog..
:laugh:

If they eliminate the bankers and warmongers it’ll be a blessing won’t it? :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 18, 2018, 03:51:54 PM

To all of the Anti-Trump Anti-American Fatalists, Nihilists, Phocking Doomsayers and Concern Trolls in general in this thread - as a LIVE FREE OR DIE patriot - now that another Trumpian Patriot Senator-Elect Rick Scott (R-Fla) just won his Senate Seat along with his Trumpian Governor Replacement Desantis...

I call for all fellow Patriots to Man the Phuck Up, Nutt Up and Ammo up and stand by and be ready...

As sheeites about to get real serious between the Wall and Huber IG unsealing a mass wave of indictments against our Globalist Enemies...

Donald Trump: Now Is ‘a Very Good Time to Do a Shutdown’ for Border Wall
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/17/donald-trump-now-very-good-time-do-shutdown-border-wall/

Give me a W-I-N-N-I-N-G!

Full WINNING Quotes from 2016 Rallys:
"When we were all younger -- many of you are my age and many of you are younger -- but when we were all younger we didn't lose so much, right? We don't win anymore. As a country, we don't win."

Trump then promised to change that: “We're going to win so much. You're going to get tired of winning. you’re going to say, ‘Please Mr. President, I have a headache. Please, don't win so much. This is getting terrible.’ And I'm going to say, ‘No, we have to make America great again.’ You're gonna say, ‘Please.’ I said, ‘Nope, nope. We're gonna keep winning.’

RAOTFLMAO And this was in process all while the Fatalists, Nihilists, Phocking Doomsayers and Concern Troll traitors were whining like a bunch of Munts-N-Coonts little bishes. SAD.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2018, 08:07:46 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 18, 2018, 11:04:24 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 17, 2018, 01:04:43 AM
Just like Brexit - the penny is dropping re 'Trampu'

You have a Brexit thread about how your side lost the vote.
Why don't you whine about Brexit there? You don't need to
cross pollute threads.

Quote from: msmoby on November 17, 2018, 01:04:43 AM
Hopefully, they find someone who doesn't grate and we can all move on from this aberration

Trump is president for 4 years and it will be 8 if the Dem's nominate a left wing
nutter. You can look up Article two of the US constitution and check if you think
something changed.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1548747018/LWK_400x400.jpg)

Guys like Moby are just jealous. :chuckle:

http://nocartridge.com/trump-familys-lavish-homes/2/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 18, 2018, 08:15:46 PM

Who's Northern Ireland's PM again? wait no one knows :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 18, 2018, 08:44:10 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 18, 2018, 11:04:24 AM

You have a Brexit thread about how your side lost the vote.
Why don't you whine about Brexit there? You don't need to
cross pollute threads.

Beel, when 'Trampu' god involved in 'Brexit' - recommending leave - he became a target .. live with it ;)

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 18, 2018, 11:04:24 AM

Trump is president for 4 years and it will be 8 if the Dem's nominate a left wing
nutter. You can look up Article two of the US constitution and check if you think
something changed.

Well, at least he's going to be 'somewhat checked by losing one of the Houses ... and IF he tries to close down Mueller's enquiry - many will wonder what he's got to hide ....

May be we'll even see his tax returns ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on November 18, 2018, 08:50:26 PM

Mikey,

Using Brightfart to try to prove a point is like waving a copy of Völkischer Beobachter..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 18, 2018, 10:24:16 PM

On a sunny day at the end of January 2017, an old man approached the White House from across Pennsylvania Avenue where he'd been sitting on a park bench. He walked up to the U.S. Marine standing guard and said, "I would like to go in and meet with President Hillary Clinton."

The Marine replied, "Sir, Mrs. Clinton is not President and doesn't reside here."

The old man said, "Okay," and quietly walked away.

The following day, the same man approached the White House and said to the same Marine, "I would like to go in and meet with President Hillary Clinton."

The Marine again told the man, "Sir, as I said yesterday, Mrs. Clinton is not President and doesn't reside here." The man thanked him and again quietly walked away.

The third day, the same man approached the White House and spoke to the very same Marine, saying "I would like to go in and meet with President Hillary Clinton."

The Marine, understandably a bit agitated at this point, looked at the man and said, "Sir, this is the third day in a row you have been here asking to speak to Mrs. Clinton. I've told you already several times that Mrs. Clinton is not the President and doesn't reside here. What don't you understand about these facts?"

The old man answered, "Oh, I understand you fine, Sir. I just love hearing your answer!"

The Marine snapped to attention, saluted, and said, "See you tomorrow, Sir."

Title: Re: President Trump - more daftness
Post by: msmoby on November 19, 2018, 05:12:19 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46256296 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46256296)

Finland bemused by Trump raking comment

"Finns have been baffled by US President Donald Trump's comments praising the country for managing its vast forests by raking.

Citing a conversation with his Finnish counterpart, Mr Trump said they spend "a lot of time on raking and cleaning".

But President Sauli Niinisto told a Finnish daily he could not remember talking about raking when the two met."

Why, does this silly man keep uttering such bollox - esp considering the number of missing people / dead people ?

In the meantime:

"Finns have been posting pictures of themselves online raking local forests, joking about "raking America great again"."

This guy is making the USA a laughing stock - wake up !

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 19, 2018, 03:22:57 PM

Quote from: msmoby on November 18, 2018, 08:50:26 PM

Mikey,

Using Brightfart to try to prove a point is like waving a copy of Völkischer Beobachter..

LOL Everything that comes out of your Mind Mobster is Mental Flatulence and Verbal Masturbation so wherever you are - there you go.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 19, 2018, 05:59:55 PM

(https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/bok_350_0.jpg?resize=807x807)

Let's see Russia wants to sell Gas and Oil to the EU and the EU wants to buy Russian Gas and Oil...

And we in the U-phocked-SofA are still Paying nearly $1 TRILLION Bux a year for NATO to protect Europe from Russia???

WTF Over makes absolutely Perfect Sense - NOT... Trump is quite correct about NATO it is a useless anachronism.

Imagine what adding back One Trillion USD per each and every year to the US Budget would allow us to pay for in the USA - an entirely new national infrastructure for one - a better social safety net for another... A giant Jerusalem style Wall with electronic monitoring and countermeasures across the North and South International Borders, upgrade the Space Force Spacecraft Carriers to monitor said borders and dispatch space drones and airborne Active Denial System II etc., as necessary. And no more $1Trillion deficits. The list goes on and on.

Then we can pull all of our Troops home from EMEA deployments and recoup the last 50 years cost of NATO with anti-dumping countervailing tariffs on all EU goods exported and sold to the USA - do we really need Royal Trinkets from Londonistan, Cheese and Wines from France, Olive Oil from Spain, Italy and Greece and overpriced cars and SUVs from Germany that are not up to the quality standards of the Japanese and Koreans.

Clearly, the answer is NO.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 19, 2018, 06:52:37 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 19, 2018, 05:59:55 PM

(https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/bok_350_0.jpg?resize=807x807)

Let's see Russia wants to sell Gas and Oil to the EU and the EU wants to buy Russian Gas and Oil...

And we in the U-phocked-SofA are still Paying nearly $1 TRILLION Bux a year for NATO to protect Europe from Russia???

WTF Over makes absolutely Perfect Sense - NOT... Trump is quite correct about NATO it is a useless anachronism.

Imagine what adding back One Trillion USD per each and every year to the US Budget would allow us to pay for in the USA - an entirely new national infrastructure for one - a better social safety net for another... A giant Jerusalem style Wall with electronic monitoring and countermeasures across the North and South International Borders, upgrade the Space Force Spacecraft Carriers to monitor said borders and dispatch space drones and airborne Active Denial System II etc., as necessary. And no more $1Trillion deficits. The list goes on and on.

Then we can pull all of our Troops home from EMEA deployments and recoup the last 50 years cost of NATO with anti-dumping countervailing tariffs on all EU goods exported and sold to the USA - do we really need Royal Trinkets from Londonistan, Cheese and Wines from France, Olive Oil from Spain, Italy and Greece and overpriced cars and SUVs from Germany that are not up to the quality standards of the Japanese and Koreans.

Clearly, the answer is NO.

:thumbsup:

Although I completely disagree with your portrayal of German cars other than that you're spot on. The number one reason in my mind is that the liberal weasel on this forum (he claims to be conservative) is constantly disparaging our President, while simultaneously telling us that he's disrespected our "allies".

I don't consider the Europeans to be allies, I consider them to be bloodsucking ticks. The sooner that Macron builds his European Army and we can disengage from NATO, the better.

That would be a full on "Nexit". A close second is that these bloodsuckers not only start paying the share that they're supposed to pay, they reimburse us for all the years they didn't pay their share.

Title: Re: President Trump - more daftness
Post by: Contrarian on November 19, 2018, 10:18:01 PM

Quote from: msmoby on November 19, 2018, 05:12:19 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46256296 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46256296)

Finland bemused by Trump raking comment

"Finns have been baffled by US President Donald Trump's comments praising the country for managing its vast forests by raking.

Citing a conversation with his Finnish counterpart, Mr Trump said they spend "a lot of time on raking and cleaning".

But President Sauli Niinisto told a Finnish daily he could not remember talking about raking when the two met."

Why, does this silly man keep uttering such bollox - esp considering the number of missing people / dead people ?

In the meantime:

"Finns have been posting pictures of themselves online raking local forests, joking about "raking America great again"."

This guy is making the USA a laughing stock - wake up !

Moby getting ready to protest against President Trump...

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45010833_1723746367754999_8478344860544270336_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=de1f7aa74011a89676993be2335eb363&oe=5C6CD90C)

Title: Re: President Trump - Mikey just doesn't understand ..
Post by: msmoby on November 19, 2018, 10:41:42 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 19, 2018, 05:59:55 PM

Let's see Russia wants to sell Gas and Oil to the EU and the EU ~~wants~~ needs to buy Russian Gas and Oil...[ for now, it is dependent on oil / gas ]

Quote from: cufflinks on November 19, 2018, 03:22:57 PM

LOL Everything that comes out of your Mind Mobster is Mental Flatulence and Verbal Masturbation so wherever you are - there you go.

Says the guy who doesn't even understand that Europe doesn't have enough oil / gas and HAS to buy from Russia ... HAS to as opposed to WANTS to ..

There endeth the REALPOLITIK 101 class for today. ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 19, 2018, 11:08:59 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 19, 2018, 05:59:55 PM

Let's see Russia wants to sell Gas and Oil to the EU and the EU wants to buy Russian Gas and Oil...

And we in the U-phocked-SofA are still Paying nearly $1 TRILLION Bux a year for NATO to protect Europe from Russia???

WTF Over makes absolutely Perfect Sense - NOT... Trump is quite correct about NATO it is a useless anachronism.

Imagine what adding back One Trillion USD per each and every year to the US Budget would allow us to pay for in the USA - an entirely new national infrastructure for one - a better social safety net for another... A giant Jerusalem style Wall with electronic monitoring and countermeasures across the North and South International Borders, upgrade the Space Force Spacecraft Carriers to monitor said borders and dispatch space drones and airborne Active Denial System II etc., as necessary. And no more $1Trillion deficits. The list goes on and on.

Then we can pull all of our Troops home from EMEA deployments and recoup the last 50 years cost of NATO with anti-dumping countervailing tariffs on all EU goods exported and sold to the USA - do we really need Royal Trinkets from Londonistan, Cheese and Wines from France, Olive Oil from Spain, Italy and Greece and overpriced cars and SUVs from Germany that are not up to the quality standards of the Japanese and Koreans.

I agree with your comments..... your presence in Europe is absolutely fcuking bad idea and saving all that money it will help not only your economy but also to modernise your infrastructure and will also save you a lot of money from abolishing European imports and also save you lot's of money from sending over supplies to your troops and bases instead of buying locally! :sick0012:

The problem is that many Pentagon clients and friends will go hungry and will be very angry with Trump, as also the FED owners...sorry Zionist shareholder or whatever name you give them.......loosing $80 billion (last years) windfall for their services, fcuking USA royally. REM the presidential Order...1110 that was signed by JFK and the banksters killed him for his audacity?

As about the stupid Europeans (us) we will have to deal with the Russian Bear....... who is very stupid and will invade all EU countries to obligate them to buy their Oil and Gas instead for checking the Bank account and count the payments for their exports. Additionally importing cheap European products.... and food without the USA modified crops.

BTW The Greeks have found the way to export most fruit and Olive Oil and FETA cheese to Russia bypassing the USA and EU Sanctions. :laugh: :nod: :laugh:

SO WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE USA PRESENCE IN EUROPE?

(https://external-preview.redd.it/oF_qSMXfkEr9AX_gGM5Rrw4kHmRQA86yo6x-2CWj4U8.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a89bde44cdcb53a8d24cc67ac0f78bbc9cbb4f98)

BTW the above map is not accurate as there are few more bases around Europe and the Balkans missing e.g Albania (NATO Airport), Kosovo, Fyrom, Bulgaria, Romania and the latest use of 5 more bases in Greece and few more that I don't know.

I suggest you have a word on Trumps Ear about your advice above..!

Well done old chum!

:BLUSH: :BEER:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 12:26:34 AM

Quote from: Wiz on November 19, 2018, 11:08:59 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 19, 2018, 05:59:55 PM
Let's see Russia wants to sell Gas and Oil to the EU and the EU wants to buy Russian Gas and Oil...

And we in the U-phocked-SofA are still Paying nearly $1 TRILLION Bux a year for NATO to protect Europe from Russia???

WTF Over makes absolutely Perfect Sense - NOT... Trump is quite correct about NATO it is a useless anachronism.

Imagine what adding back One Trillion USD per each and every year to the US Budget would allow us to pay for in the USA - an entirely new national infrastructure for one - a better social safety net for another... A giant Jerusalem style Wall with electronic monitoring and countermeasures across the North and South International Borders, upgrade the Space Force Spacecraft Carriers to monitor said borders and dispatch space drones and airborne Active Denial System II etc., as necessary. And no more $1Trillion deficits. The list goes on and on.

Then we can pull all of our Troops home from EMEA deployments and recoup the last 50 years cost of NATO with anti-dumping countervailing tariffs on all EU goods exported and sold to the USA - do we really need Royal Trinkets from Londonistan, Cheese and Wines from France, Olive Oil from Spain, Italy and Greece and overpriced cars and SUVs from Germany that are not up to the quality standards of the Japanese and Koreans.

I agree with your comments..... your presence in Europe is absolutely fcuking bad idea and saving all that money it will help not only your economy but also to modernise your infrastructure and will also save you a lot of money from abolishing European imports and also save you lot's of money from sending over supplies to your troops instead of buying locally! :sick0012:

The problem is that many Pentagon clients and friends will go hungry and will be very angry with Trump, as also the FED owners...sorry Zionist shareholder or whatever name you give them.......loosing $80 billion (last years) windfall for their services, fcuking USA royally REM the presidential Order...1110 that signed by JFK and they killed him for his audacity?

As about the stupid Europeans (us) will have to deal with the Russian Bear....... who is very stupid and will invade all EU countries to obligate them to buy their Oil and Gas.

SO WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE USA PRESENCE IN EUROPE?

(https://external-preview.redd.it/oF_qSMXfkEr9AX_gGM5Rrw4kHmRQA86yo6x-2CWj4U8.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a89bde44cdcb53a8d24cc67ac0f78bbc9cbb4f98)

BTW the above map is not accurate as there are few more bases around Europe and the Balkans missing e.g Albania (NATO Airport), Kosovo, Fyrom, Bulgaria, Romania and the latest use of 5 more bases in Greece and few more that I don't know.

I suggest you have a word on Trumps Ear about your advice above..!

Well done old chum!

:BLUSH: :BEER:

Each military personnel cost us $50,000 plus thousand dollars a month. Our large military budget is largely spent in Europe and is a big help to European economy. This is part why the Europeans scream bloody murder when we want to take a few of them home. Last I heard Greece needed some financial help and maybe that is why the Greek government is wanting our troops. I can not think of anything else they could be doing there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 20, 2018, 01:44:31 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 12:26:34 AM

Each military personnel cost us $50,000 plus thousand dollars a month. Our large military budget is largely spent in Europe and is a big help to European economy. This is part why the Europeans scream bloody murder when we want to take a few of them home. Last I heard Greece needed some financial help and maybe that is why the Greek government is wanting our troops. I can not think of anything else they could be doing there.

Poor Texan

I like your effort to defend your country's actions and interests BUT you are hopelessly ignorant and uninformed in these matters.

I don't remember reading that a European country and Europeans scream "bloody murder" when you want to take a few of them home. You are probably dreaming ......

Are you aware that the 6th US Fleet, for many years it's not visiting Greek Ports and prefer to visit Italian ports?

The US Fleet visit Italian ports because the Mafia has more organised brothels and plenty of product supply... than the unwelcome Greek unorganised underworld and brothels.

Must not forget that Greece has many anarchists and criminals who have in the past executed the local CIA head and now are in prison. This criminal is using the Greek law and gets permission every year for few days holiday and the US Gov is screaming murder.....

BTW are aware that every year the Greeks celebrate the 17 Nov uprising against the Greek Junta imposed by the US, and have a parade finishing at your Embassy?

Are you aware that all food supplies and other products...provided to your personnel and their families in the bases are coming from the US?

Can you please let me know what financial help that US has provided to Greece lately? Sorry i forgot you have total control of your German Colony........ (:)

Are you aware what actually is going on at the East Med regarding oil and Gas exploration? If you do please let us know!

May I remind you that, few days earlier I have posted about the big plan of the USA to move all bases from Germany to the Balkans.......

Are you aware that your Star Ambassador and CIA employee in UKRAINE, Geoff Pyatt has moved to Greece and oversee the above US plan?

He Fcuked Ukraine and now is doing the same to Greece.

PS: If you need help to read more independent news and NOT USA propaganda.... don't hesitate to ask.

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 01:57:25 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 12:26:34 AM

Quote from: Wiz on November 19, 2018, 11:08:59 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on November 19, 2018, 05:59:55 PM
Let's see Russia wants to sell Gas and Oil to the EU and the EU wants to buy Russian Gas and Oil...

And we in the U-phocked-SofA are still Paying nearly $1 TRILLION Bux a year for NATO to protect Europe from Russia???

WTF Over makes absolutely Perfect Sense - NOT... Trump is quite correct about NATO it is a useless anachronism.

Imagine what adding back One Trillion USD per each and every year to the US Budget would allow us to pay for in the USA - an entirely new national infrastructure for one - a better social safety net for another... A giant Jerusalem style Wall with electronic monitoring and countermeasures across the North and South International Borders, upgrade the Space Force Spacecraft Carriers to monitor said borders and dispatch space drones and airborne Active Denial System II etc., as necessary. And no more $1Trillion deficits. The list goes on and on.

Then we can pull all of our Troops home from EMEA deployments and recoup the last 50 years cost of NATO with anti-dumping countervailing tariffs on all EU goods exported and sold to the USA - do we really need Royal Trinkets from Londonistan, Cheese and Wines from France, Olive Oil from Spain, Italy and Greece and overpriced cars and SUVs from Germany that are not up to the quality standards of the Japanese and Koreans.

I agree with your comments..... your presence in Europe is absolutely fcuking bad idea and saving all that money it will help not only your economy but also to modernise your infrastructure and will also save you a lot of money from abolishing European imports and also save you lot's of money from sending over supplies to your troops instead of buying locally! :sick0012:

The problem is that many Pentagon clients and friends will go hungry and will be very angry with Trump, as also the FED owners...sorry Zionist shareholder or whatever name you give them.......loosing $80 billion (last years) windfall for their services, fcuking USA royally REM the presidential Order...1110 that signed by JFK and they killed him for his audacity?

As about the stupid Europeans (us) will have to deal with the Russian Bear....... who is very stupid and will invade all EU countries to obligate them to buy their Oil and Gas.

SO WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE USA PRESENCE IN EUROPE?

(https://external-preview.redd.it/oF_qSMXfkEr9AX_gGM5Rrw4kHmRQA86yo6x-2CWj4U8.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a89bde44cdcb53a8d24cc67ac0f78bbc9cbb4f98)

BTW the above map is not accurate as there are few more bases around Europe and the Balkans missing e.g Albania (NATO Airport), Kosovo, Fyrom, Bulgaria, Romania and the latest use of 5 more bases in Greece and few more that I don't know.

I suggest you have a word on Trumps Ear about your advice above..!

Well done old chum!

:BLUSH: :BEER:

Each military personnel cost us $50,000 plus thousand dollars a month. Our large military budget is largely spent in Europe and is a big help to European economy. This is part why the Europeans scream bloody murder when we want to take a few of them home. Last I heard Greece needed some financial help and maybe that is why the Greek government is wanting our troops. I can not think of anything else they could be doing there.

No body wants your troops mate I can assure you..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 20, 2018, 02:04:14 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 19, 2018, 05:59:55 PM

(https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/bok_350_0.jpg?resize=807x807)

Let's see Russia wants to sell Gas and Oil to the EU and the EU wants to buy Russian Gas and Oil...

And we in the U-phocked-SofA are still Paying nearly $1 TRILLION Bux a year for NATO to protect Europe from Russia???

WTF Over makes absolutely Perfect Sense - NOT... Trump is quite correct about NATO it is a useless anachronism.

Imagine what adding back One Trillion USD per each and every year to the US Budget would allow us to pay for in the USA - an entirely new national infrastructure for one - a better social safety net for another... A giant Jerusalem style Wall with electronic monitoring and countermeasures across the North and South International Borders, upgrade the Space Force Spacecraft Carriers to monitor said borders and dispatch space drones and airborne Active Denial System II etc., as necessary. And no more $1Trillion deficits. The list goes on and on.

Then we can pull all of our Troops home from EMEA deployments and recoup the last 50 years cost of NATO with anti-dumping countervailing tariffs on all EU goods exported and sold to the USA - do we really need Royal Trinkets from Londonistan, Cheese and Wines from France, Olive Oil from Spain, Italy and Greece and overpriced cars and SUVs from Germany that are not up to the quality standards of the Japanese and Koreans.

Clearly, the answer is NO.

Good to have you back on RUA posting away Cuffy.

Whilst I pretty much agree with your post, two things spring to mind.

First of all, IF the US decided to back away from the international table and spend their budget in a more suitable way, your country would face huge changes and plenty problems through the adjustment period. I don't think it would necessarily be a bad thing globally but you guys are geared up for war, it pays for education, its a huge industry and thats how you flex your muscle around the globe. I just can't see that one sliding.

And more importantly, if you think Asian SUV's are better than German ones, you've had too many stogy's & cognacs tonight! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 20, 2018, 02:13:27 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 12:26:34 AM

Quote from: Wiz on November 19, 2018, 11:08:59 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on November 19, 2018, 05:59:55 PM
Let's see Russia wants to sell Gas and Oil to the EU and the EU wants to buy Russian Gas and Oil...

And we in the U-phocked-SofA are still Paying nearly $1 TRILLION Bux a year for NATO to protect Europe from Russia???

WTF Over makes absolutely Perfect Sense - NOT... Trump is quite correct about NATO it is a useless anachronism.

Imagine what adding back One Trillion USD per each and every year to the US Budget would allow us to pay for in the USA - an entirely new national infrastructure for one - a better social safety net for another... A giant Jerusalem style Wall with electronic monitoring and countermeasures across the North and South International Borders, upgrade the Space Force Spacecraft Carriers to monitor said borders and dispatch space drones and airborne Active Denial System II etc., as necessary. And no more $1Trillion deficits. The list goes on and on.

Then we can pull all of our Troops home from EMEA deployments and recoup the last 50 years cost of NATO with anti-dumping countervailing tariffs on all EU goods exported and sold to the USA - do we really need Royal Trinkets from Londonistan, Cheese and Wines from France, Olive Oil from Spain, Italy and Greece and overpriced cars and SUVs from Germany that are not up to the quality standards of the Japanese and Koreans.

I agree with your comments..... your presence in Europe is absolutely fcuking bad idea and saving all that money it will help not only your economy but also to modernise your infrastructure and will also save you a lot of money from abolishing European imports and also save you lot's of money from sending over supplies to your troops instead of buying locally! :sick0012:

The problem is that many Pentagon clients and friends will go hungry and will be very angry with Trump, as also the FED owners...sorry Zionist shareholder or whatever name you give them.......loosing $80 billion (last years) windfall for their services, fcuking USA royally REM the presidential Order...1110 that signed by JFK and they killed him for his audacity?

As about the stupid Europeans (us) will have to deal with the Russian Bear....... who is very stupid and will invade all EU countries to obligate them to buy their Oil and Gas.

SO WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE USA PRESENCE IN EUROPE?

(https://external-preview.redd.it/oF_qSMXfkEr9AX_gGM5Rrw4kHmRQA86yo6x-2CWj4U8.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a89bde44cdcb53a8d24cc67ac0f78bbc9cbb4f98)

BTW the above map is not accurate as there are few more bases around Europe and the Balkans missing e.g Albania (NATO Airport), Kosovo, Fyrom, Bulgaria, Romania and the latest use of 5 more bases in Greece and few more that I don't know.

I suggest you have a word on Trumps Ear about your advice above..!

Well done old chum!

:BLUSH: :BEER:

Each military personnel cost us $50,000 plus thousand dollars a month. Our large military budget is largely spent in Europe and is a big help to European economy. This is part why the Europeans scream bloody murder when we want to take a few of them home. Last I heard Greece needed some financial help and maybe that is why the Greek government is wanting our troops. I can not think of anything else they could be doing there.

The sad part is you believe this, I've never read as much from someone so out of touch. This straight after your Western Europe only prospered after you invaded us post! :'(

There is another scenario here. The US packs up and leaves, you lose your influence around Europe, the bear poking stops and we actually start trading with the Russians, rather than trading threats and fear. A million miles away right now I know, but its the political leaders and world planners who divide us whilst the people simply want to live a nice life.

We'll never close the gap whilst we're littered with US bases, and the flames continue to be stoked rather than put out.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 07:58:25 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 01:57:25 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 12:26:34 AM
Quote from: Wiz on November 19, 2018, 11:08:59 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on November 19, 2018, 05:59:55 PM
Let's see Russia wants to sell Gas and Oil to the EU and the EU wants to buy Russian Gas and Oil...

And we in the U-phocked-SofA are still Paying nearly $1 TRILLION Bux a year for NATO to protect Europe from Russia???

WTF Over makes absolutely Perfect Sense - NOT... Trump is quite correct about NATO it is a useless anachronism.

Imagine what adding back One Trillion USD per each and every year to the US Budget would allow us to pay for in the USA - an entirely new national infrastructure for one - a better social safety net for another... A giant Jerusalem style Wall with electronic monitoring and countermeasures across the North and South International Borders, upgrade the Space Force Spacecraft Carriers to monitor said borders and dispatch space drones and airborne Active Denial System II etc., as necessary. And no more $1Trillion deficits. The list goes on and on.

Then we can pull all of our Troops home from EMEA deployments and recoup the last 50 years cost of NATO with anti-dumping countervailing tariffs on all EU goods exported and sold to the USA - do we really need Royal Trinkets from Londonistan, Cheese and Wines from France, Olive Oil from Spain, Italy and Greece and overpriced cars and SUVs from Germany that are not up to the quality standards of the Japanese and Koreans.

I agree with your comments..... your presence in Europe is absolutely fcuking bad idea and saving all that money it will help not only your economy but also to modernise your infrastructure and will also save you a lot of money from abolishing European imports and also save you lot's of money from sending over supplies to your troops instead of buying locally! :sick0012:

The problem is that many Pentagon clients and friends will go hungry and will be very angry with Trump, as also the FED owners...sorry Zionist shareholder or whatever name you give them.......loosing $80 billion (last years) windfall for their services, fcuking USA royally REM the presidential Order...1110 that signed by JFK and they killed him for his audacity?

As about the stupid Europeans (us) will have to deal with the Russian Bear....... who is very stupid and will invade all EU countries to obligate them to buy their Oil and Gas.

SO WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE USA PRESENCE IN EUROPE?

(https://external-preview.redd.it/oF_qSMXfkEr9AX_gGM5Rrw4kHmRQA86yo6x-2CWj4U8.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a89bde44cdcb53a8d24cc67ac0f78bbc9cbb4f98)

BTW the above map is not accurate as there are few more bases around Europe and the Balkans missing e.g Albania (NATO Airport), Kosovo, Fyrom, Bulgaria, Romania and the latest use of 5 more bases in Greece and few more that I don't know.

I suggest you have a word on Trumps Ear about your advice above..!

Well done old chum!

:BLUSH: :BEER:

Each military personnel cost us $50,000 plus thousand dollars a month. Our large military budget is largely spent in Europe and is a big help to European economy. This is part why the Europeans scream bloody murder when we want to take a few of them home. Last I heard Greece needed some financial help and maybe that is why the Greek government is wanting our troops. I can not think of anything else they could be doing there.

No body wants your troops mate I can assure you..

Then send them home!!!!! We do not want them there neither.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 20, 2018, 09:15:59 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 07:58:25 AM

Then send them home!!!!! We do not want them there neither.

Serious question for you Tex. Do you honestly believe that the general public have an appetite for US troops being based over here? Personally, I don't see it as a great thing but accept that our government gives allies concessions. A collaboration between allies and allowing the US to get a foothold on another continent. If they f*cked off tomorrow I'd not feel any less safe and you could maybe even argue safer.

You guys seem to see it as baby sitting or some kind of celebration that the yanks are here to keep us safe. Christ only yesterday you told us the US invasion of Europe made us who we are and that many countries celebrate being invaded by the US. :-\

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 10:02:37 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 07:58:25 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 01:57:25 AM
Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 12:26:34 AM
Quote from: Wiz on November 19, 2018, 11:08:59 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on November 19, 2018, 05:59:55 PM
Let's see Russia wants to sell Gas and Oil to the EU and the EU wants to buy Russian Gas and Oil...

And we in the U-phocked-SofA are still Paying nearly $1 TRILLION Bux a year for NATO to protect Europe from Russia???

WTF Over makes absolutely Perfect Sense - NOT... Trump is quite correct about NATO it is a useless anachronism.

Imagine what adding back One Trillion USD per each and every year to the US Budget would allow us to pay for in the USA - an entirely new national infrastructure for one - a better social safety net for another... A giant Jerusalem style Wall with electronic monitoring and countermeasures across the North and South International Borders, upgrade the Space Force Spacecraft Carriers to monitor said borders and dispatch space drones and airborne Active Denial System II etc., as necessary. And no more $1Trillion deficits. The list goes on and on.

Then we can pull all of our Troops home from EMEA deployments and recoup the last 50 years cost of NATO with anti-dumping countervailing tariffs on all EU goods exported and sold to the USA - do we really need Royal Trinkets from Londonistan, Cheese and Wines from France, Olive Oil from Spain, Italy and Greece and overpriced cars and SUVs from Germany that are not up to the quality standards of the Japanese and Koreans.

I agree with your comments..... your presence in Europe is absolutely fcuking bad idea and saving all that money it will help not only your economy but also to modernise your infrastructure and will also save you a lot of money from abolishing European imports and also save you lot's of money from sending over supplies to your troops instead of buying locally! :sick0012:

The problem is that many Pentagon clients and friends will go hungry and will be very angry with Trump, as also the FED owners...sorry Zionist shareholder or whatever name you give them.......loosing $80 billion (last years) windfall for their services, fcuking USA royally REM the presidential Order...1110 that signed by JFK and they killed him for his audacity?

As about the stupid Europeans (us) will have to deal with the Russian Bear....... who is very stupid and will invade all EU countries to obligate them to buy their Oil and Gas.

SO WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE USA PRESENCE IN EUROPE?

(https://external-preview.redd.it/oF_qSMXfkEr9AX_gGM5Rrw4kHmRQA86yo6x-2CWj4U8.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a89bde44cdcb53a8d24cc67ac0f78bbc9cbb4f98)

BTW the above map is not accurate as there are few more bases around Europe and the Balkans missing e.g Albania (NATO Airport), Kosovo, Fyrom, Bulgaria, Romania and the latest use of 5 more bases in Greece and few more that I don't know.

I suggest you have a word on Trumps Ear about your advice above..!

Well done old chum!

:BLUSH: :BEER:

Each military personnel cost us $50,000 plus thousand dollars a month. Our large military budget is largely spent in Europe and is a big help to European economy. This is part why the Europeans scream bloody murder when we want to take a few of them home. Last I heard Greece needed some financial help and maybe that is why the Greek government is wanting our troops. I can not think of anything else they could be doing there.

No body wants your troops mate I can assure you..

Then send them home!!!!! We do not want them there neither.

It makes me sick seeing your stupid troops driving around Europe with their stupid flags flying above their bloody trucks, all over Poland and other countries, they put their pathetic flags up whilst driving through Moldova.. hell knows why?? It even makes my stomach churn when I see them in the news, I try not to look at the news any more cos The it is enough to pee you whats going on the world..God give me strength If I ever get to be in power , you will not know what hit you.. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 10:37:55 AM

I know the exact reason the US has bases all over Europe, they are just playing phycological games with stupid people nothing more..

As Adolf Hitler once said.. the general public are generally stupid!! Which is correct .. so the US knows that if there was peace and harmony in Europe or on the whole of the European continent , Russia lived and worked along the rest of Europe in harmony and including the Chinese then why on earth would anyone need anything from that big island in the Atlantic? Don't need oversized jeans, don't need burgers! But truthfully can you imagine the scenario the all the presidents and PM's in Europe all getting on together , holidaying with their Russian and Chinese counterparts.. it would be 100% perfect wouldn't it??

But Uncle Sam won't want that happening to soon will they? What the hell would they do if that happened!

So they use all this bullshit and lies about needing to offer security , against who may I ask?? Its all phycological games to make the general public afraid of
what could happen if Russia invades! Russia invades?? Invades who?? The only invaders are the USA! Its just like the weapons of mass destruction that never really existed.. just the same in Europe, fake stories to keep the stupid people down, keep them thinking they need stupid US bases every where!

But one day some one with some balls will come to power in Europe and kick all the buggers out!! I can't wait till that time!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 20, 2018, 10:45:19 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 19, 2018, 06:52:37 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 19, 2018, 05:59:55 PM
(https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/bok_350_0.jpg?resize=807x807)

Let's see Russia wants to sell Gas and Oil to the EU and the EU wants to buy Russian Gas and Oil...

And we in the U-phocked-SofA are still Paying nearly $1 TRILLION Bux a year for NATO to protect Europe from Russia???

WTF Over makes absolutely Perfect Sense - NOT... Trump is quite correct about NATO it is a useless anachronism.

Imagine what adding back One Trillion USD per each and every year to the US Budget would allow us to pay for in the USA - an entirely new national infrastructure for one - a better social safety net for another... A giant Jerusalem style Wall with electronic monitoring and countermeasures across the North and South International Borders, upgrade the Space Force Spacecraft Carriers to monitor said borders and dispatch space drones and airborne Active Denial System II etc., as necessary. And no more $1Trillion deficits. The list goes on and on.

Then we can pull all of our Troops home from EMEA deployments and recoup the last 50 years cost of NATO with anti-dumping countervailing tariffs on all EU goods exported and sold to the USA - do we really need Royal Trinkets from Londonistan, Cheese and Wines from France, Olive Oil from Spain, Italy and Greece and overpriced cars and SUVs from Germany that are not up to the quality standards of the Japanese and Koreans.

Clearly, the answer is NO.

:thumbsup:

Although I completely disagree with your portrayal of German cars other than that you're spot on. The number one reason in my mind is that the liberal weasel on this forum (he claims to be conservative) is constantly disparaging our President, while simultaneously telling us that he's disrespected our "allies".

I don't consider the Europeans to be allies, I consider them to be bloodsucking ticks. The sooner that Macron builds his European Army and we can disengage from NATO, the better.

That would be a full on "Nexit". A close second is that these bloodsuckers not only start paying the share that they're supposed to pay, they reimburse us for all the years they didn't pay their share.

I consider them to be bloodsucking ticks and leeches. :thumbsup: :smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 10:53:19 AM

Who needs Nato! Disband it! best thing ever..

As for the French making a bigger army.. :laugh: They couldn't even keep the nazis out of their country! All come out with their hands above their heads and white flags..

As for the Fresh teaming up with the Germans how can that be possible? It was just 75 years ago the Germans were putting the French along with many other in the oven gas mark 6 for 2 hours..

:laugh: Funny world we live in..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 20, 2018, 11:01:55 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 10:37:55 AM

I know the exact reason the US has bases all over Europe, they are just playing phycological games with stupid people nothing more..

As Adolf Hitler once said.. the general public are generally stupid!! Which is correct .. so the US knows that if there was peace and harmony in Europe or on the whole of the European continent , Russia lived and worked along the rest of Europe in harmony and including the Chinese then why on earth would anyone need anything from that big island in the Atlantic? Don't need oversized jeans, don't need burgers! But truthfully can you imagine the scenario the all the presidents and PM's in Europe all getting on together , holidaying with their Russian and Chinese counterparts.. it would be 100% perfect wouldn't it??

But Uncle Sam won't want that happening to soon will they? What the hell would they do if that happened!

So they use all this bullshit and lies about needing to offer security , against who may I ask?? Its all phycological games to make the general public afraid of
what could happen if Russia invades! Russia invades?? Invades who?? The only invaders are the USA! Its just like the weapons of mass destruction that never really existed.. just the same in Europe, fake stories to keep the stupid people down, keep them thinking they need stupid US bases every where!

But one day some one with some balls will come to power in Europe and kick all the buggers out!! I can't wait till that time!!

Steveboy your hatred of the USA is misplaced - the USA does nothing without the approval of the USA Feds Rothschilds-Rockefeller Crown Bankster Owners run from the City of London to support the British Empire/Commonwealth at the expense of the USA people's lack of European Quality of Life, Modern Infrastructure and Social Safety Nets. The sooner we audit then End the Fed the sooner we can bring our troops home to enforce our borders and turn over our EU Bases to the EU's Islamist Mafia er ah um EU Military to protect your beloved Islamist invaders. The EU is devolving into a Mega Fuster Cluck. Clearly why most of you EU Chaps are living the good life as expats in the FSU rather than the EIU (European Islamists Union).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 11:06:48 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 20, 2018, 11:01:55 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 10:37:55 AM
I know the exact reason the US has bases all over Europe, they are just playing phycological games with stupid people nothing more..

As Adolf Hitler once said.. the general public are generally stupid!! Which is correct .. so the US knows that if there was peace and harmony in Europe or on the whole of the European continent , Russia lived and worked along the rest of Europe in harmony and including the Chinese then why on earth would anyone need anything from that big island in the Atlantic? Don't need oversized jeans, don't need burgers! But truthfully can you imagine the scenario the all the presidents and PM's in Europe all getting on together , holidaying with their Russian and Chinese counterparts.. it would be 100% perfect wouldn't it??

But Uncle Sam won't want that happening to soon will they? What the hell would they do if that happened!

So they use all this bullshit and lies about needing to offer security , against who may I ask?? Its all phycological games to make the general public afraid of
what could happen if Russia invades! Russia invades?? Invades who?? The only invaders are the USA! Its just like the weapons of mass destruction that never really existed.. just the same in Europe, fake stories to keep the stupid people down, keep them thinking they need stupid US bases every where!

But one day some one with some balls will come to power in Europe and kick all the buggers out!! I can't wait till that time!!

Steveboy your hatred of the USA is misplaced - the USA does nothing without the approval of the USA Feds Rotchschilds-Rockefeller Crown Bankster Owners run from the City of London to support the British Empire/Commonwealth at the expense of the USA people's lack of European Quality of Life, Modern Infrastructure and Social Safety Nets.

Calm down calm down... Its more hatred of the US occupying Europe..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 11:25:46 AM

There are only 27,000 troops in all of Europe outside of Germany. When you add all the locations outside of Germany there are only a thou
sand troops on the average at each location. Not really much of an army anyway. Just everyone getting crazy over the propaganda. Trump wanted to take most of them home but the European leaders cried bloody murder. It is just people here do not understand what their own government is doing.

Today there are about 67,000 American troops in Europe, including 40,000 in Germany, with the rest scattered mostly in Italy and Britain. The Air Force has some 130 fighter jets, 12 refueling planes and 30 cargo aircraft. At the end of the Cold War in the early 1990s, it had 800 aircraft in Europe.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 20, 2018, 11:30:14 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 20, 2018, 09:15:59 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 07:58:25 AM
Then send them home!!!!! We do not want them there neither.

Serious question for you Tex. Do you honestly believe that the general public have an appetite for US troops being based over here? Personally, I don't see it as a great thing but accept that our government gives allies concessions. A collaboration between allies and allowing the US to get a foothold on another continent. If they f*cked off tomorrow I'd not feel any less safe and you could maybe even argue safer.

You guys seem to see it as baby sitting or some kind of celebration that the yanks are here to keep us safe. Christ only yesterday you told us the US invasion of Europe made us who we are and that many countries celebrate being invaded by the US. :-\

Yeah Poland and most of Eastern Europe far prefer the USA to Russia.

For at least a decade Russia claimed they were not going to invade Ukraine and then they did it and annexed Crimea and they’ve been making a real mess of Donbas.

All the countries of Eastern Europe who were previously occupied by Russia don’t want a repeat. You and Russia can claim there’s no threat but history shows otherwise.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 20, 2018, 11:44:15 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 11:06:48 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 20, 2018, 11:01:55 AM
Quote from: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 10:37:55 AM

But one day some one with some balls will come to power in Europe and kick all the buggers out!! I can't wait till that time!!

Steveboy your hatred of the USA is misplaced - the USA does nothing without the approval of the USA Feds Rotchschilds-Rockefeller Crown Bankster Owners run from the City of London to support the British Empire/Commonwealth at the expense of the USA people's lack of European Quality of Life, Modern Infrastructure and Social Safety Nets.

Calm down calm down... Its more hatred of the US occupying Europe..

LOL - There is still that sticky issue that left to your own devices you lot have a nasty habit of extreme swings between Marxist Socialist Communist regimes and Totalitarian Fascists like the EU Parliament and the Emerging Fascists EIU European Islamist Union a.k.a. Islamist Caliphate of Europe with an occasional experimentation with Democratic Capitalism in between.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 11:58:13 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 20, 2018, 11:30:14 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 20, 2018, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 07:58:25 AM
Then send them home!!!!! We do not want them there neither.

Serious question for you Tex. Do you honestly believe that the general public have an appetite for US troops being based over here? Personally, I don't see it as a great thing but accept that our government gives allies concessions. A collaboration between allies and allowing the US to get a foothold on another continent. If they f*cked off tomorrow I'd not feel any less safe and you could maybe even argue safer.

You guys seem to see it as baby sitting or some kind of celebration that the yanks are here to keep us safe. Christ only yesterday you told us the US invasion of Europe made us who we are and that many countries celebrate being invaded by the US. :-\

Yeah Poland and most of Eastern Europe far prefer the USA to Russia.

For at least a decade Russia claimed they were not going to invade Ukraine and then they did it and annexed Crimea and they’ve been making a real mess of Donbas.

All the countries of Eastern Europe who were previously occupied by Russia don’t want a repeat. You and Russia can claim there’s no threat but history shows otherwise.

Of course the Polish need US troops there .. they have been shaking their rattles and banging their cots all year demanding more troops.. pathetic..

Russia never invaded Ukraine!!!!! Lets put it like this, even a twit can understand if I explain it..

So in the Uk you have Scotland , Ireland and Wales..

In Wales ok they like to speak Welsh and why not? Speaking welsh sheep shagging and wellies boots its the norm there..Many Welsh villages have signage in Welsh, they even have a Welsh tv channel , kids are taught Welsh at school, books are in Welsh, some venues are in Welsh, some streets are in Welsh..

So now lets say some nutter in the Welsh government /council or something came to power and brought in extreme rules..

1. All Welsh signage to be taken down.

2. The Welsh language is to be banned and not taught at school , teach it and you get sent to prison.

3. Welsh tv channels are to be closed down so there is just English tv.

4. Any Streets named in Welsh must be converted back to English

5. There would be regular persecutions of Welsh people especially the old, for example old war veterans would have their doors kicked in by
people supporting the new government..

Do you think London would just sit there and let that happen?? Its the same kind of thing in Ukraine, most of Eastern Ukraine is Russian,,

The new asshole President acts like an asshole, no diplomacy just everything Russian must go.. I guess you could compare him to Pol Pot and the year 0..

Russia has good right to defend their citizens in Eastern Ukraine..

You have no idea what goes on there...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 12:02:39 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 20, 2018, 11:44:15 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 11:06:48 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on November 20, 2018, 11:01:55 AM
Quote from: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 10:37:55 AM

But one day some one with some balls will come to power in Europe and kick all the buggers out!! I can't wait till that time!!

Steveboy your hatred of the USA is misplaced - the USA does nothing without the approval of the USA Feds Rotchschilds-Rockefeller Crown Bankster Owners run from the City of London to support the British Empire/Commonwealth at the expense of the USA people's lack of European Quality of Life, Modern Infrastructure and Social Safety Nets.

Calm down calm down... Its more hatred of the US occupying Europe..

LOL - There is still that sticky issue that left to your own devices you lot have a nasty habit of extreme swings between Marxist Socialist Communist regimes and Totalitarian Fascists like the EU Parliament and the Emerging Fascists EIU European Islamist Union a.k.a. Islamist Caliphate of Europe with an occasional experimentation with Democratic Capitalism in between.

Yes I agree.. but I put it down to weak pathetic leaders.. David Cameron couldn't fight his way out of a paper bloody bag!! He was trashed by the EU dictatorship..

May is no different.. Unless weak self centered and to greedy.. the lot of them..

By the way would you please like my Tony Blair for the electric chair page.. :laugh:

https://www.facebook.com/Tony-Blair-4-the-Electric-chair-329524914531747/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 20, 2018, 12:04:20 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 20, 2018, 11:30:14 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 20, 2018, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 07:58:25 AM
Then send them home!!!!! We do not want them there neither.

Serious question for you Tex. Do you honestly believe that the general public have an appetite for US troops being based over here? Personally, I don't see it as a great thing but accept that our government gives allies concessions. A collaboration between allies and allowing the US to get a foothold on another continent. If they f*cked off tomorrow I'd not feel any less safe and you could maybe even argue safer.

You guys seem to see it as baby sitting or some kind of celebration that the yanks are here to keep us safe. Christ only yesterday you told us the US invasion of Europe made us who we are and that many countries celebrate being invaded by the US. :-\

Yeah Poland and most of Eastern Europe far prefer the USA to Russia.

A good analogy would be that Eastern Europeans prefer sickness to the scoots! I hate to burst your bubble but there’s no real love affair with the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 12:52:45 PM

No body here wants to pay for the troops there. It is just when we try to leave the presidents of your guys countries are all over our news can not believe that we want to leave. Boo Whoo and everything. How could we leave them? Why are they on the news then? Video not a made up story. You need to vote someone else in office then so we can go home.

The French president finally said a few days ago Europe needs to build it's own army and send the US home. He said the potential enemies would be Russia, China and the USA. Sounds great to me. It is sort of what Trump has been trying to do. But I really doubt if any body in Europe want to pay for it. You have to raise taxes, cut retirement benefits and other services. Live with out the money the our military spends off. Then create your own messes and have to live with the political fall out.

The French president said a few days ago , he is not a US puppet but if he had to say that it is because he can not live with out us and so he is. Shame on him and the French for not wanting to pay there own way and be independent. Not our fault.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 01:22:56 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 12:52:45 PM

No body here wants to pay for the troops there. It is just when we try to leave the presidents of your guys countries are all over our news can not believe that we want to leave. Boo Whoo and everything. How could we leave them? Why are they on the news then? Video not a made up story. You need to vote someone else in office then so we can go home.

The French president finally said a few days ago Europe needs to build it's own army and send the US home. He said the potential enemies would be Russia, China and the USA. Sounds great to me. It is sort of what Trump has been trying to do. But I really doubt if any body in Europe want to pay for it. You have to raise taxes, cut retirement benefits and other services. Live with out the money the our military spends off. Then create your own messes and have to live with the political fall out.

The French president said a few days ago , he is not a US puppet but if he had to say that it is because he can not live with out us and so he is. Shame on him and the French for not wanting to pay there own way and be independent. Not our fault.

Boo whoo?. Are you ok? Sniffing some thing over there.. I think you would like to imagine they would say that.. only the wimps will say that like Poland...

(https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46482476_1838696686229227_6603584016568287232_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-frt3-1.xx&oh=9ceea3582b999c402732745c5c77e87f&oe=5CB212B2)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 20, 2018, 01:36:54 PM

Steveboy for a guy who used to live in a tent you sure got alot of animosity for the USA. Here in sunny California we got some nice beaches where you can live all year round with good weather. No tent needed. Come join us if you like :nod: :8)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 01:58:33 PM

Quote from: Guile on November 20, 2018, 01:36:54 PM

Steveboy for a guy who used to live in a tent you sure got alot of animosity for the USA. Here in sunny California we got some nice beaches where you can live all year round with good weather. No tent needed. Come join us if you like :nod: :8)

I was there a few years back in Santa Monica.. yes very nice :8) But lots of homeless in the small parks , well there was..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 20, 2018, 02:04:49 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 11:25:46 AM

There are only 27,000 troops in all of Europe outside of Germany. When you add all the locations outside of Germany there are only a thou
sand troops on the average at each location. Not really much of an army anyway. Just everyone getting crazy over the propaganda. Trump wanted to take most of them home but the European leaders cried bloody murder. It is just people here do not understand what their own government is doing.

Today there are about 67,000 American troops in Europe, including 40,000 in Germany, with the rest scattered mostly in Italy and Britain. The Air Force has some 130 fighter jets, 12 refueling planes and 30 cargo aircraft. At the end of the Cold War in the early 1990s, it had 800 aircraft in Europe.

Where do you read such crap........it amaze me that you are contradicting your own comments, every time you make a new post and I wonder why you are so ignorant of actual facts?

Frankly it's not worth debating anything with you as it's like talking politics with a 6 years old child.!

Watch this video and learn something you obviously don't know about your country and NATO and when you comprehend the various aspects of your Empire plans for this century, then you will realise your lack of important knowledge.

ITALY: A WHOLE US/NATO STRATEGIC BASE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0Ygn-NtOMQ

Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 11:25:46 AM

No body here wants to pay for the troops there. It is just when we try to leave the presidents of your guys countries are all over our news can not believe that we want to leave. Boo Whoo and everything. How could we leave them?

Have you got any credible evidence to support your comments ?

Reading the rest of your comments it's obvious how well you have been brainwashed and programmed by your government's and MSM own propaganda.

Are you aware that the French president is a descendant of the "Vichy" WWII government and was helped to be elected by the Germans. He is a puppet of Merkel and Trump was right to be angry and offending to him. Germany is controlling the French banks, who have also connection/control with the Spanish and Portuguese Banks.

I have already posted about the USA Plan to move the Bases out of Germany and into Kosovo, Albania, and FYROM to achieve full control of the Balkan states.....and to protect and control the TAP gas pipe line from Russia via Turkey to EU countries. Italy, Austria etc.

When you have some credible and decent answers... come back and tell me.

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 20, 2018, 03:26:13 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 11:58:13 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 20, 2018, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: rosco on November 20, 2018, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 07:58:25 AM
Then send them home!!!!! We do not want them there neither.

Serious question for you Tex. Do you honestly believe that the general public have an appetite for US troops being based over here? Personally, I don't see it as a great thing but accept that our government gives allies concessions. A collaboration between allies and allowing the US to get a foothold on another continent. If they f*cked off tomorrow I'd not feel any less safe and you could maybe even argue safer.

You guys seem to see it as baby sitting or some kind of celebration that the yanks are here to keep us safe. Christ only yesterday you told us the US invasion of Europe made us who we are and that many countries celebrate being invaded by the US. :-\

Yeah Poland and most of Eastern Europe far prefer the USA to Russia.

For at least a decade Russia claimed they were not going to invade Ukraine and then they did it and annexed Crimea and they’ve been making a real mess of Donbas.

All the countries of Eastern Europe who were previously occupied by Russia don’t want a repeat. You and Russia can claim there’s no threat but history shows otherwise.

Of course the Polish need US troops there .. they have been shaking their rattles and banging their cots all year demanding more troops.. pathetic..

Russia never invaded Ukraine!!!!! Lets put it like this, even a twit can understand if I explain it..

So in the Uk you have Scotland , Ireland and Wales..

In Wales ok they like to speak Welsh and why not? Speaking welsh sheep shagging and wellies boots its the norm there..Many Welsh villages have signage in Welsh, they even have a Welsh tv channel , kids are taught Welsh at school, books are in Welsh, some venues are in Welsh, some streets are in Welsh..

So now lets say some nutter in the Welsh government /council or something came to power and brought in extreme rules..

1. All Welsh signage to be taken down.

2. The Welsh language is to be banned and not taught at school , teach it and you get sent to prison.

3. Welsh tv channels are to be closed down so there is just English tv.

4. Any Streets named in Welsh must be converted back to English

5. There would be regular persecutions of Welsh people especially the old, for example old war veterans would have their doors kicked in by
people supporting the new government..

Do you think London would just sit there and let that happen?? Its the same kind of thing in Ukraine, most of Eastern Ukraine is Russian,,

The new asshole President acts like an asshole, no diplomacy just everything Russian must go.. I guess you could compare him to Pol Pot and the year 0..

Russia has good right to defend their citizens in Eastern Ukraine..

You have no idea what goes on there...

Odd a variety since 2000 of votes and polls indicate, the 'Russians' in Ukraine prefer to identify with Kiev and not Moscow. And yes the Kremlin has a long and proud history of both invading and subjugating the Ukraine population. Than there was the matter of the Holodomor and earlier attempts to exterminate the Ukraine identity by the powers to be in Moscow.

Russia needs to mind its own business and stop being an imperialistic bully.

I think a better comparison can be made of J. Stalin & V. Putin to Pol Pot.

Title: Re: President Trump - down-playing the
Post by: msmoby on November 20, 2018, 09:41:21 PM

Trump defends Saudi Arabia ties despite Khashoggi murder :wallbash:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46283355 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46283355)

...and once more uses 'creative accounting' as the 'excuse' ..

Oh, and the "Iranians are 'more bad' than the Saudi's..."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 20, 2018, 10:57:26 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 20, 2018, 03:26:13 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: Confederate on November 20, 2018, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: rosco on November 20, 2018, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 07:58:25 AM
Then send them home!!!!! We do not want them there neither.

Serious question for you Tex. Do you honestly believe that the general public have an appetite for US troops being based over here? Personally, I don't see it as a great thing but accept that our government gives allies concessions. A collaboration between allies and allowing the US to get a foothold on another continent. If they f*cked off tomorrow I'd not feel any less safe and you could maybe even argue safer.

You guys seem to see it as baby sitting or some kind of celebration that the yanks are here to keep us safe. Christ only yesterday you told us the US invasion of Europe made us who we are and that many countries celebrate being invaded by the US. :-\

Yeah Poland and most of Eastern Europe far prefer the USA to Russia.

For at least a decade Russia claimed they were not going to invade Ukraine and then they did it and annexed Crimea and they’ve been making a real mess of Donbas.

All the countries of Eastern Europe who were previously occupied by Russia don’t want a repeat. You and Russia can claim there’s no threat but history shows otherwise.

Of course the Polish need US troops there .. they have been shaking their rattles and banging their cots all year demanding more troops.. pathetic..

Russia never invaded Ukraine!!!!! Lets put it like this, even a twit can understand if I explain it..

So in the Uk you have Scotland , Ireland and Wales..

In Wales ok they like to speak Welsh and why not? Speaking welsh sheep shagging and wellies boots its the norm there..Many Welsh villages have signage in Welsh, they even have a Welsh tv channel , kids are taught Welsh at school, books are in Welsh, some venues are in Welsh, some streets are in Welsh..

So now lets say some nutter in the Welsh government /council or something came to power and brought in extreme rules..

1. All Welsh signage to be taken down.

2. The Welsh language is to be banned and not taught at school , teach it and you get sent to prison.

3. Welsh tv channels are to be closed down so there is just English tv.

4. Any Streets named in Welsh must be converted back to English

5. There would be regular persecutions of Welsh people especially the old, for example old war veterans would have their doors kicked in by
people supporting the new government..

Do you think London would just sit there and let that happen?? Its the same kind of thing in Ukraine, most of Eastern Ukraine is Russian,,

The new asshole President acts like an asshole, no diplomacy just everything Russian must go.. I guess you could compare him to Pol Pot and the year 0..

Russia has good right to defend their citizens in Eastern Ukraine..

You have no idea what goes on there...

Odd a variety since 2000 of votes and polls indicate, the 'Russians' in Ukraine prefer to identify with Kiev and not Moscow. And yes the Kremlin has a long and proud history of both invading and subjugating the Ukraine population. Than there was the matter of the Holodomor and earlier attempts to exterminate the Ukraine identity by the powers to be in Moscow.

Russia needs to mind its own business and stop being an imperialistic bully.

I think a better comparison can be made of J. Stalin & V. Putin to Pol Pot.

Can you explain to us how a Chazar Jewish President and Government in Ukraine can justify the killing of it's own people, by bombing them and killing around, by now, 10,000 ? >:(

How it happen, behind such large genocide it's another murderous Jewish cabal like the Bolshevik government in Russia and you have the audacity to come here and try to justify their murderous actions?

:sick0002:

Title: Wiz on Ukraine's anti- terrorists' war
Post by: msmoby on November 20, 2018, 11:11:20 PM

Quote from: Wiz on November 20, 2018, 10:57:26 PM

Can you explain to us how a Chazar Jewish President and Government in Ukraine can justify the killing of it's own people, by bombing them and killing around, by now, 10,000 ?

Not the smartest question - that's over 10 times less than Russian Presidents may have have killed by their actions to prevent Chechn'ya ceding from a Federation they never agreed to join when the Soviet Union broke up ..

Poroshenko didn't open up the armouries in Ukraine ....the RUSSIAN GRU did

I'm sure this will get moved to 'Moby is a russophobe thread' - to allow revisionist 'history' to become 'fact' on here ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 21, 2018, 01:22:21 AM

America has 40K troops in Germany because it beats having to send 3M later, like we have before....twice.

If only Europeans didn't require so much adult supervision. *Sigh*

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 21, 2018, 01:44:58 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 21, 2018, 01:22:21 AM

America has 40K troops in Germany because it beats having to send 3M later, like we have before....twice.

If only Europeans didn't require so much adult supervision. *Sigh*

You crack me up BB! There's plenty evidence to prove we're more civilised than you lot! :chuckle:

To be fair though, your troops might need to sort Germany out in a few generations time. It'll almost be like a sequel, sand people in Europe.

Title: Re: Wiz on Ukraine's anti- terrorists' war
Post by: rosco on November 21, 2018, 01:48:27 AM

Classic Moby, lets make the argument about something else because I can't win this one.

Quote from: msmoby on November 20, 2018, 11:11:20 PM

I'm sure this will get moved to 'Moby is a russophobe thread'

At least you're beginning to see your own failings. Progress.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 21, 2018, 03:14:35 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 21, 2018, 01:22:21 AM

America has 40K troops in Germany because it beats having to send 3M later, like we have before....twice.

If only Europeans didn't require so much adult supervision. *Sigh*

It would of been easier to disband Germany after the second world war.. they had their two chances, the country should of been divided up between its neighbors , so there would be NO Germany in existence any more.. would of made a lot more sense .. and as you say (And I agree) In a few generations time it will happen all over again.. as you see, who is running Europe today?.. :laugh:

People are like Goldfish , they have very short memories , whats why they are happy living in a little bowl..

Title: Re: Wiz on Ukraine's anti- terrorists' war
Post by: Wiz on November 21, 2018, 03:16:07 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 20, 2018, 11:11:20 PM

Quote from: Wiz on November 20, 2018, 10:57:26 PM

Can you explain to us how a Chazar Jewish President and Government in Ukraine can justify the killing of it's own people, by bombing them and killing around, by now, 10,000 ?

Not the smartest question - that's over 10 times less than Russian Presidents may have have killed by their actions to prevent Chechn'ya ceding from a Federation they never agreed to join when the Soviet Union broke up ..

Poroshenko didn't open up the armouries in Ukraine ....the RUSSIAN GRU did

I'm sure this will get moved to 'Moby is a russophobe thread' - to allow revisionist 'history' to become 'fact' on here ..

Why don't you go and keep company to your woman and play with her little dog ........ instead of talking out of your Back side?

You must be bored already from your last errant job. The main party music has not started yet.... and you will have to watch....while sunbathing!

I don't blame anybody giving you a real bollocking for all the crap your post!

I guess you are on reconnaissance mission in support of the other Anglo Zionist sister, watching the Exxon drill and the Turkish boats having a party.

Must be a little noisy down there now...... :)

Title: Re: Wiz on Ukraine's anti- terrorists' war
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 21, 2018, 06:01:20 AM

Quote from: Wiz on November 21, 2018, 03:16:07 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 20, 2018, 11:11:20 PM
Quote from: Wiz on November 20, 2018, 10:57:26 PM

Can you explain to us how a Chazar Jewish President and Government in Ukraine can justify the killing of it's own people, by bombing them and killing around, by now, 10,000 ?

Not the smartest question - that's over 10 times less than Russian Presidents may have have killed by their actions to prevent Chechn'ya ceding from a Federation they never agreed to join when the Soviet Union broke up ..

Poroshenko didn't open up the armouries in Ukraine ....the RUSSIAN GRU did

I'm sure this will get moved to 'Moby is a russophobe thread' - to allow revisionist 'history' to become 'fact' on here ..

Why don't you go and keep company to your woman and play with her little dog ........ instead of talking out of your Back side?

You must be bored already from your last errant job. The main party music has not started yet.... and you will have to watch....while sunbathing!

I don't blame anybody giving you a real bollocking for all the crap your post!

I guess you are on reconnaissance mission in support of the other Anglo Zionist sister, watching the Exxon drill and the Turkish boats having a party.

Must be a little noisy down there now...... :)

You really must have been a’bitch’ to some Jewish banker to carry such rage. :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on November 21, 2018, 07:11:58 AM

Sure my girl was there. The LPR would set up artillery in front of her house. Then fire a number of shots at the Ukraine army. Then rush to move before the incoming would come back. Less than a week after I was able to get her out of there her house was hit by a round and blew out all the windows, doors and put a big hole in one wall.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 21, 2018, 07:19:55 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 21, 2018, 07:11:58 AM

Sure my girl was there. The LPR would set up artillery in front of her house. Then fire a number of shots at the Ukraine army. Then rush to move before the incoming would come back. Less than a week after I was able to get her out of there her house was hit by a round and blew out all the windows, doors and put a big hole in one wall.

Blimey!! You need to get yourself one of these next time you op over there for a coffee..

(https://scontent.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46508168_1839532312812331_6926338520961253376_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fhel3-1.fna&oh=f47d751cf8a453fe92bb8c2b3c5b9d8f&oe=5C71CA96)

You can buy one from this company :

http://www.morgandefencesystems.com/en-gb/advanced-armour/silverback-bomb-disposal-suits/silverback-4020-elite/

Personally I would even be worried wearing one of these suits you can still loose a leg or even your head if your not careful ... ;D

Title: Re: Wiz on Ukraine's anti- terrorists' war
Post by: Wiz on November 21, 2018, 08:44:40 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 21, 2018, 06:01:20 AM

Quote from: Wiz on November 21, 2018, 03:16:07 AM
Quote from: msmoby on November 20, 2018, 11:11:20 PM
Quote from: Wiz on November 20, 2018, 10:57:26 PM

Can you explain to us how a Chazar Jewish President and Government in Ukraine can justify the killing of it's own people, by bombing them and killing around, by now, 10,000 ?

Not the smartest question - that's over 10 times less than Russian Presidents may have have killed by their actions to prevent Chechn'ya ceding from a Federation they never agreed to join when the Soviet Union broke up ..

Poroshenko didn't open up the armouries in Ukraine ....the RUSSIAN GRU did

I'm sure this will get moved to 'Moby is a russophobe thread' - to allow revisionist 'history' to become 'fact' on here ..

Why don't you go and keep company to your woman and play with her little dog ........ instead of talking out of your Back side?

You must be bored already from your last errant job. The main party music has not started yet.... and you will have to watch....while sunbathing!

I don't blame anybody giving you a real bollocking for all the crap your post!

I guess you are on reconnaissance mission in support of the other Anglo Zionist sister, watching the Exxon drill and the Turkish boats having a party.

Must be a little noisy down there now...... :)
You really must have been a’bitch’ to some Jewish banker to carry such rage. :ROFL: :ROFL:

It's obvious Zionists assholes and stray dogs like you, don't like to be criticised for their nasty actions.... neither can read plain English.
You can choose the epithet and fill the blank for yourself. :biggrin:

May I suggest you to use your usual name advertised by you .... on your avatar. Why change old habits and behaviour! ???

For your information. on a personal level, I had no problems with my Jewish solicitor neither with Jewish Tour operators that I had dealings and I don't have problems with assholes and stray dogs, like you! :P

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 21, 2018, 09:34:11 AM

Quote from: Wiz on November 20, 2018, 10:57:26 PM

Can you explain to us how a Chazar Jewish President and Government in Ukraine can justify the killing of it's own people, by bombing them and killing around, by now, 10,000 ?

How it happen, behind such large genocide it's another murderous Jewish cabal like the Bolshevik government in Russia and you have the audacity to come here and try to justify their murderous actions?

Wiz, Please provide some proof or evidence for what you are claiming. Av

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2018, 09:40:25 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 21, 2018, 01:44:58 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 21, 2018, 01:22:21 AM
America has 40K troops in Germany because it beats having to send 3M later, like we have before....twice.

If only Europeans didn't require so much adult supervision. *Sigh*

You crack me up BB! There's plenty evidence to prove we're more civilised than you lot! :chuckle:

To be fair though, your troops might need to sort Germany out in a few generations time. It'll almost be like a sequel, sand people in Europe.

There’s plenty of evidence that “Great Britain” committed horrific yellow journalism against the Germans at the start of World War I in order to provoke them into a war.

There’s also plenty of evidence that the Lusitania was a false flag event to get the USA to back England.

Without the warmongering edoorts of the British it’s unlikely that either Great War would have ever happened.

When you whine about US Imperialism don’t forget you were our teachers. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 21, 2018, 09:55:45 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 21, 2018, 09:40:25 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 21, 2018, 01:44:58 AM
Quote from: B.B. on November 21, 2018, 01:22:21 AM
America has 40K troops in Germany because it beats having to send 3M later, like we have before....twice.

If only Europeans didn't require so much adult supervision. *Sigh*

You crack me up BB! There's plenty evidence to prove we're more civilised than you lot! :chuckle:

To be fair though, your troops might need to sort Germany out in a few generations time. It'll almost be like a sequel, sand people in Europe.

There’s plenty of evidence that “Great Britain” committed horrific yellow journalism against the Germans at the start of World War I in order to provoke them into a war.

There’s also plenty of evidence that the Lusitania was a false flag event to get the USA to back England.

Without the warmongering edoorts of the British it’s unlikely that either Great War would have ever happened.

When you whine about US Imperialism don’t forget you were our teachers. :coffeeread:

What's worse though mate, making the mistake or watching it and then doing the same? :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2018, 10:10:52 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 21, 2018, 03:14:35 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 21, 2018, 01:22:21 AM
America has 40K troops in Germany because it beats having to send 3M later, like we have before....twice.

If only Europeans didn't require so much adult supervision. *Sigh*

It would of been easier to disband Germany after the second world war.. they had their two chances, the country should of been divided up between its neighbors , so there would be NO Germany in existence any more.. would of made a lot more sense .. and as you say (And I agree) In a few generations time it will happen all over again.. as you see, who is running Europe today?.. :laugh:

People are like Goldfish , they have very short memories , whats why they are happy living in a little bowl..

It makes even more sense to divide the “United Kingdom”. Give the Scots full independence and have Germany and the USA divide up the rest. Put the high number of pedophiles and satanists in your government in prison for life. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2018, 10:16:57 AM

Quote from: Wiz on November 20, 2018, 10:57:26 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 20, 2018, 03:26:13 PM
Quote from: Steveboy on November 20, 2018, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: Confederate on November 20, 2018, 11:30:14 AM
Quote from: rosco on November 20, 2018, 09:15:59 AM
Quote from: Texan77 on November 20, 2018, 07:58:25 AM
Then send them home!!!!! We do not want them there neither.

Serious question for you Tex. Do you honestly believe that the general public have an appetite for US troops being based over here? Personally, I don't see it as a great thing but accept that our government gives allies concessions. A collaboration between allies and allowing the US to get a foothold on another continent. If they f*cked off tomorrow I'd not feel any less safe and you could maybe even argue safer.

You guys seem to see it as baby sitting or some kind of celebration that the yanks are here to keep us safe. Christ only yesterday you told us the US invasion of Europe made us who we are and that many countries celebrate being invaded by the US. :-\

Yeah Poland and most of Eastern Europe far prefer the USA to Russia.

For at least a decade Russia claimed they were not going to invade Ukraine and then they did it and annexed Crimea and they’ve been making a real mess of Donbas.

All the countries of Eastern Europe who were previously occupied by Russia don’t want a repeat. You and Russia can claim there’s no threat but history shows otherwise.

Of course the Polish need US troops there .. they have been shaking their rattles and banging their cots all year demanding more troops.. pathetic..

Russia never invaded Ukraine!!!!! Lets put it like this, even a twit can understand if I explain it..

So in the Uk you have Scotland , Ireland and Wales..

In Wales ok they like to speak Welsh and why not? Speaking welsh sheep shagging and wellies boots its the norm there..Many Welsh villages have signage in Welsh, they even have a Welsh tv channel , kids are taught Welsh at school, books are in Welsh, some venues are in Welsh, some streets are in Welsh..

So now lets say some nutter in the Welsh government /council or something came to power and brought in extreme rules..

1. All Welsh signage to be taken down.

2. The Welsh language is to be banned and not taught at school , teach it and you get sent to prison.

3. Welsh tv channels are to be closed down so there is just English tv.

4. Any Streets named in Welsh must be converted back to English

5. There would be regular persecutions of Welsh people especially the old, for example old war veterans would have their doors kicked in by
people supporting the new government..

Do you think London would just sit there and let that happen?? Its the same kind of thing in Ukraine, most of Eastern Ukraine is Russian,,

The new asshole President acts like an asshole, no diplomacy just everything Russian must go.. I guess you could compare him to Pol Pot and the year 0..

Russia has good right to defend their citizens in Eastern Ukraine..

You have no idea what goes on there...

Odd a variety since 2000 of votes and polls indicate, the 'Russians' in Ukraine prefer to identify with Kiev and not Moscow. And yes the Kremlin has a long and proud history of both invading and subjugating the Ukraine population. Than there was the matter of the Holodomor and earlier attempts to exterminate the Ukraine identity by the powers to be in Moscow.

Russia needs to mind its own business and stop being an imperialistic bully.

I think a better comparison can be made of J. Stalin & V. Putin to Pol Pot.

Can you explain to us how a Chazar Jewish President and Government in Ukraine can justify the killing of it's own people, by bombing them and killing around, by now, 10,000 ? >:(

How it happen, behind such large genocide it's another murderous Jewish cabal like the Bolshevik government in Russia and you have the audacity to come here and try to justify their murderous actions?

:sick0002:

Another steaming pile of horse manure from the escaped resident.

All of the tanks, heavy artillary and weapons of war sent by the bully Bear to the east, yet imbeciles continue to mouth propaganda. :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2018, 10:51:01 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on November 21, 2018, 07:11:58 AM

Sure my girl was there. The LPR would set up artillery in front of her house. Then fire a number of shots at the Ukraine army. Then rush to move before the incoming would come back. Less than a week after I was able to get her out of there her house was hit by a round and blew out all the windows, doors and put a big hole in one wall.

This is the cold bitter reality that the apologists fail to recognize.

All of the artillary, tanks, soldiers on “vacation” and special forces who invaded Ukraine and waged war against Ukraine came from Russia.

There’s only one man who is responsible for the carnage in Eastern Ukraine and that’s Putin.

The Russians can barely afford to govern any area outside of St. Pete or Moscow yet they continue to engage in bullying and Imperialism to their neighbors. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2018, 10:56:27 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 21, 2018, 09:34:11 AM

Quote from: Wiz on November 20, 2018, 10:57:26 PM

Can you explain to us how a Chazar Jewish President and Government in Ukraine can justify the killing of it's own people, by bombing them and killing around, by now, 10,000 ?

How it happen, behind such large genocide it's another murderous Jewish cabal like the Bolshevik government in Russia and you have the audacity to come here and try to justify their murderous actions?

Wiz, Please provide some proof or evidence for what you are claiming. Av

The only “evidence” for his ramblings is the high level of flatulence out of his backside. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2018, 12:21:11 PM

Back on topic: this looks to be a truthful book by journalist Major Garrett.

Mr. Trump's Wild Ride: The Thrills, Chills, Screams, and Occasional Blackouts of an Extraordinary Presidency

https://www.amazon.com/Mr-Trumps-Wild-Ride-Extraordinary/dp/1250185912

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2018, 12:26:54 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 21, 2018, 12:21:11 PM

Back on topic: this looks to be a truthful book by journalist Major Garrett.

Mr. Trump's Wild Ride: The Thrills, Chills, Screams, and Occasional Blackouts of an Extraordinary Presidency

https://www.amazon.com/Mr-Trumps-Wild-Ride-Extraordinary/dp/1250185912

Review
“Mr. Trump’s Wild Ride is excellent journalism, an early draft of our current history." ―Washington Post

"Garrett’s assessment of Trump manages the difficult task of being both hard-hitting and even-handed, as well as smartly entertaining...The result is one of the best accounts yet of Trump’s impact.” ―Publishers Weekly

"This generally thoughtful analysis is especially good on Trump’s 'coarsening influence on political dialogue.'" ―Kirkus Reviews

“An extremely helpful, useful book." ―Grover Norquist

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 21, 2018, 12:32:56 PM

Wasn't Wiz banned from this forum 10 years ago?!! :ROFL: How did he manage to crawl back in...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2018, 12:56:17 PM

Another interesting book on the Trump Presidency.

Exposed are over a hundred different ways that our sinister and corrupted system deceives us and robs us of our due. Glinka exposes the single hidden factor that gives license to leaders on both sides of the political aisle to lie, cheat, cause infighting and mislead the public of their true motives. Who really are these who are waging a huge and silent coup, completely bent on destroying true Americanism? Explained is why President Trump just might endure the same fate as J.F.K. and Abe Lincoln. This writer unveils exactly WHO the purveyors of America's immense debts, useless wars, dumbed down education system really are. And they likely are not those you might suspect. Revealed are hidden proofs exposing how their corruptions go unnoticed by most. Explained incredibly well are the corrupted, illegal and stealthy secrets behind the un-Federal Reserve, our news outlets, failed schooling, engineered booms and busts, bad trade agreements and so much more. After years of intensive research, he has dug up hundreds of little known nuggets to prove the deep states true goals for society. Once the reader takes in all the timeless quotes & warnings recorded right out of the very mouths of differing top elites and world leaders, the reader will in fact come to accept the reality of these sensational and well argued claims of the new world order to come. President Trump has a monumental job perhaps as no other leader has ever had to face if he is to win America back.

Planned Collapse of Americanism: President Trumps Biggest Challenge Kindle Edition

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MZ1WIH4/ref=sspa_dk_detail_4?psc=1

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 21, 2018, 03:13:33 PM

The End Is Near and It’s Going to Be Awesome: How Going Broke Will Leave America Richer, Happier, and More Secure…

No need for me to specially reply to the American Defective Member of RUA or make any derogative comments.

Looking at this thread only and the number of posts made by the imbecile asylum escapee from his motor house bunker, are sufficient evidence from his own ramblings, verbal diarrhoea and the high level of flatulence coming out from both ends, especially from his backside, as he has no time to stop and go to the toilet!

All financial assistance, CIA supervision and weapons of war sent to their Zionist puppets in Ukraine by the criminals from Washington and still this imbecile continues to mouth propaganda and giving us lecture about their great Democracy. Of course the whole planet knows about the US charitable activities and the millions of innocent dead people who have contributed to its prosperity and then he provides us with the evidence collected by Edward Glinka for the USA wonderful Democracy!

“Exposed are over a hundred different ways that our sinister and corrupted system deceives us and robs us of our due. Glinka exposes the single hidden factor that gives license to leaders on both sides of the political aisle to lie, cheat, cause infighting and mislead the public of their true motives.

Who really are these who are waging a huge and silent coup, completely bent on destroying true Americanism?

Explained is why President Trump just might endure the same fate as J.F.K. and Abe Lincoln. This writer unveils exactly WHO the purveyors of America's immense debts, useless wars, dumped down education system really are. And they likely are not those you might suspect.

Revealed are hidden proofs exposing how their corruptions go unnoticed by most. Explained incredibly well are the corrupted, illegal and stealthy secrets behind the un-Federal Reserve, our news outlets, failed schooling, engineered booms and busts, bad trade agreements and so much more.

After years of intensive research, he has dug up hundreds of little known nuggets to prove the deep states true goals for society.

Once the reader takes in all the timeless quotes & warnings recorded right out of the very mouths of differing top elites and world leaders, the reader will in fact come to accept the reality of these sensational and well argued claims of the new world order to come. President Trump has a monumental job perhaps as no other leader has ever had to face if he is to win America back”.

After all that please tell me who is the clown in the room? .....

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2018, 03:18:09 PM

Quote from: Guile on November 21, 2018, 12:32:56 PM

Wasn't Wiz banned from this forum 10 years ago?!! :ROFL: How did he manage to crawl back in...

This forum was slowly dying, so they decided to allow the escapee from a memory care facility to post again... :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 21, 2018, 05:42:40 PM

Quote from: Guile on November 21, 2018, 12:32:56 PM

Wasn't Wiz banned from this forum 10 years ago?!! :ROFL: How did he manage to crawl back in...

:offtopic:

Yes I was banned, then, for "difference of opinion" with the New owner......regarding advertising and NOT as you may think, for Trolling, or stalking members or breaking the Rules. My account was unblocked and I was invited back and only post when I see a subject that I am interested.

I don't live on the board like you do and also a couple of others. You can search and check the above. :P

Those years there were excellent members posting excellent advice, travel reports and opinions without making personal attacks, like it happens almost daily here from people like you who are not looking to find an FSU woman or have not travelled abroad and their main interest is TROLLING or talking American Politics and propaganda for the USA.

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 21, 2018, 05:48:09 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 21, 2018, 03:18:09 PM

Quote from: Guile on November 21, 2018, 12:32:56 PM
Wasn't Wiz banned from this forum 10 years ago?!! :ROFL: How did he manage to crawl back in...

This forum was slowly dying, so they decided to allow the escapee from a memory care facility to post again... :chuckle:

Did I interrupted your, with my previous post from your usual activity, when visiting the widow with the 5 orphans?

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on November 21, 2018, 06:04:55 PM

Quote from: Wiz on November 21, 2018, 03:13:33 PM

After all that please tell me who is the clown in the room? .....

Wiz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on November 21, 2018, 06:18:33 PM

Quote from: Wiz on November 21, 2018, 05:42:40 PM

Those years there were excellent members posting excellent advice, travel reports and opinions without making personal attacks, like it happens almost daily here from people like you who are not looking to find an FSU woman or have not travelled abroad and their main interest is TROLLING or talking American Politics and propaganda for the USA.

by my estimation I have lived in more places than you. Europe, Asia, Russia. USA politics, if you don't like it don't come here. Simple as that.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 21, 2018, 06:32:05 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 21, 2018, 06:04:55 PM

Quote from: Wiz on November 21, 2018, 03:13:33 PM

After all that please tell me who is the clown in the room? .....

Wiz

(http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=60491;type=avatar)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2018, 07:25:32 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 21, 2018, 06:04:55 PM

Quote from: Wiz on November 21, 2018, 03:13:33 PM

After all that please tell me who is the clown in the room? .....

Wiz

The Wonderful Wizard of Oz! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 21, 2018, 10:17:11 PM

I guess one thing for sure Trump or any previous gangster Presidents will be sanctioning the camel traders any day soon..

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/latest-leak-khashoggi-murder-reveals-162053446.html

If that had been Russia sanctions would already be imposed.. but as we all know the US and the UK have a special relationship with this lot.. :laugh:

Humans great things when it comes to money and oil.. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2018, 10:40:15 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 21, 2018, 10:17:11 PM

I guess one thing for sure Trump or any previous gangster Presidents will be sanctioning the camel traders any day soon..

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/latest-leak-khashoggi-murder-reveals-162053446.html

If that had been Russia sanctions would already be imposed.. but as we all know the US and the UK have a special relationship with this lot.. :laugh:

Humans great things when it comes to money and oil.. :chuckle:

I agree it's very disturbing. I personally think it's time for this relationship to be shelved. Iran is actually a better actor on the World stage than the Saudi's; except Iran is the enemy of Israel and supposedly Israel is an ally to the USA (cough cough bullsh*t).

Saudi authorities announced last week they were seeking the death penalty for five suspects in Khashoggi’s murder but absolved the prince of culpability, a move that satisfied the White House. However, US lawmakers have vowed to hold the crown prince responsible.

On Monday, Germany announced it was expanding a ban on weapons exports to Saudi Arabia due to the Khashoggi killing and Riyadh’s conduct in the Yemen conflict. France is also considering sanctions against individuals involved. But it remains unclear how freezing the bank accounts and barring travel for low and mid-ranking enforcers already destined for the gallows or prison will curtail the increasingly reckless behaviour of one of the world’s largest weapons importers and oil exporters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on November 22, 2018, 12:53:19 AM

The dry cleaning bill for the upholstery on
Air Force One must be insane.

https://twitter.com/BetteMidler/status/1062781726739447808/photo/1

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dr_CWSyU0AA4Ihm.jpg)

Donald must be flying very high

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on November 22, 2018, 02:40:26 AM

Saudi Arabia will be protected because of their position as the capstone of the petrodollar recycling program. Only if they give up that role will the US dispense with their services. This isn't about good or evil, but about self-interest. That's what foreign policy is about, self-interest. The rest of the guff is to distract the normals. Trump is following the right course, for the United States. There are many complicating facts such as the attempts by some groups to use the affair to reduce US involvement in the Yemen war and to even stop the war entirely. That this would happen was obvious from the very start and is an unspoken driver of much of the bollocks being spouted by your programmers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 22, 2018, 03:04:13 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on November 22, 2018, 02:40:26 AM

Saudi Arabia will be protected because of their position as the capstone of the petrodollar recycling program. Only if they give up that role will the US dispense with their services. This isn't about good or evil, but about self-interest. That's what foreign policy is about, self-interest. The rest of the guff is to distract the normals. Trump is following the right course, for the United States. There are many complicating facts such as the attempts by some groups to use the affair to reduce US involvement in the Yemen war and to even stop the war entirely. That this would happen was obvious from the very start and is an unspoken driver of much of the bollocks being spouted by your programmers.

self-interest. That is about right now for The Whole world ...

I have the same policy myself... ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 22, 2018, 05:46:26 AM

Quote from: rosco on November 21, 2018, 01:44:58 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 21, 2018, 01:22:21 AM
America has 40K troops in Germany because it beats having to send 3M later, like we have before....twice.

If only Europeans didn't require so much adult supervision. *Sigh*

You crack me up BB! There's plenty evidence to prove we're more civilised than you lot! :chuckle:

To be fair though, your troops might need to sort Germany out in a few generations time. It'll almost be like a sequel, sand people in Europe.

Which evidence? The part where Queen Victoria's grandson couldn't get along with his uncle? Or the spittle-emitting madman divided up Poland with the Georgian Sov and then back-stabbed him?

As for the coming Eurabia, Germany is sorting itself out by committing cultural genocide...on Germany, this time, followed closely by the Swedes.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 22, 2018, 09:29:26 AM

Yeah.... looks like Trump is going the normal way most go when they get in power.

https://www.rt.com/usa/444658-us-trump-khashoggi-blame/?fbclid=IwAR3kQf2lfucpi4lcA4NCmR5KhfeD7gbwyLObQggDdU_KbXXxygEL3d07tdQ

It was not the camel traders fault it was the world's fault..

Another double standard hypocritical leader..

What a W*******

It makes no difference look at crooked Blair a person of the people until he got in power.. they are all tared with the same brush..

You can be sure if Mother Theresa was alive today and became president of any country she would be doing it also.. robbing, stealing and turning out to be thieving ******* its life.. :Zzzzsleep:

Christ almighty!!! France is really showing its power.. Good on them some one has some balls..

https://www.rt.com/news/444661-france-imposes-travel-bans-on/?fbclid=IwAR3_oPFDEX2O-UxzsmsWv-Arz44bpwnt89G8rlmtmDLVmg5iHXpMOdiocJg

They are going to sanctions the guys who butchered the journalist.. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Yeah but they are in prison on death row , not going any where.. anyway.. what a tosser..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 22, 2018, 10:04:46 AM

I wonder just how many world leaders have blood on their hands?
Sadly those in power seem to be above the law, and know that the odds are slim they will face consequences for their actions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 22, 2018, 10:44:39 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 22, 2018, 10:04:46 AM

I wonder just how many world leaders have blood on their hands?
Sadly those in power seem to be above the law, and know that the odds are slim they will face consequences for their actions.

Yeah thats it for me.. finished with Trump.. best place for him now is in a coffin 6ft under..

Actually it's unbelievable he is going to nothing about it.. Im sure if two Russians arrived in NY and farted outside the White House there would be world wide repercussions , sanctions and all sorts of stuff..

So now we know Trump is good buddies with a murderer and I'm sure will be putting the red carpet out for the tossers next time they arrive in the US..

Its funny as the communist asshole in the UK Corbin is all mouth also about cutting off arms to the camel traders BUT you can be sure if he was in power he would also turn a blind eye...

I say start a peoples revolution .. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 22, 2018, 07:13:49 PM

President Trump threatened total border shutdown with lethal force if necessary.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 24, 2018, 06:54:05 AM

Mexican business woman's opinion about President Trump and the migrants. The liberal media would have you believe a much different narrative.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 24, 2018, 07:15:40 AM

Trump is just a worthless piece of shit .. and nothing more..

All the blabbing about what he's going to do.. yet he's turning a blind eye on the camel traders , a fine one to set an example.. same story as usual if you buy arms off the US it also gives you a license to kill and murder, that includes kids..with nothing said..

Hang the twat..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 24, 2018, 07:40:28 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 24, 2018, 07:15:40 AM

Trump is just a worthless piece of shit .. and nothing more..

All the blabbing about what he's going to do.. yet he's turning a blind eye on the camel traders , a fine one to set an example.. same story as usual if you buy arms off the US it also gives you a license to kill and murder, that includes kids..with nothing said..

Hang the *snip*..

Putin has not been very critical of the Saudi's, over this murder. Russia has so much to gain should President Trump condem the Saudi's and would gladly support the Saudi's claims.

Title: Re: President Trump - no show- pathetic excuses
Post by: Donhollio on November 24, 2018, 07:57:06 AM

Quote from: BillyB

Quote from: Donhollio on November 13, 2018, 11:17:43 AM
Two years in office and has never visited the troops. Bush surprised troops overseas one year by showing up solo on Thanksgiving.

Link below shows Trump itinerary visiting troops overseas in Italy, Japan, and South Korea. He also visited troops at home. The liberal media tries to get their readers to believe Trump doesn't visit troops. Remember for a year and a half they made us read stories about Trump collusion with Russia on a daily basis? It's all BS. The quality of journalism today is tabloid quality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidential_trips_made_by_Donald_Trump_during_2018

I when typing it I had in mind the active troops in war zones, making a special trip to visit them. Don't blame the media for everything.
You're a former service guy, you cant really defend him the way he's disrespected so many over the past few years.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 24, 2018, 07:59:51 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 24, 2018, 07:40:28 AM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 24, 2018, 07:15:40 AM
Trump is just a worthless piece of shit .. and nothing more..

All the blabbing about what he's going to do.. yet he's turning a blind eye on the camel traders , a fine one to set an example.. same story as usual if you buy arms off the US it also gives you a license to kill and murder, that includes kids..with nothing said..

Hang the *snip*..

Putin has not been very critical of the Saudi's, over this murder. Russia has so much to gain should President Trump condem the Saudi's and would gladly support the Saudi's claims.

Yeah but the difference with Putin is he's not a hypocrite ... and double standard lier.. It seems as usual in the US.. but its no different in the UK they have the same policy one rule for one and a special rule for themselves..

We had Tony crooked Blair a man of the people who got greedy once in power and lost all his principles.. next in line is the communist idiot Corbin , he's a man of the people also , a better world for all until he gets in power with his trade union buddies .. as usual it will all go south... :laugh:

Bit what the heck!! Im sure another idiot will come along and reapqte what most of them do as norm...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 24, 2018, 09:54:10 AM

Quote from: Donhollio on November 24, 2018, 07:57:06 AM

Quote from: BillyB

Quote from: Donhollio on November 13, 2018, 11:17:43 AM
Two years in office and has never visited the troops. Bush surprised troops overseas one year by showing up solo on Thanksgiving.

Link below shows Trump itinerary visiting troops overseas in Italy, Japan, and South Korea. He also visited troops at home. The liberal media tries to get their readers to believe Trump doesn't visit troops. Remember for a year and a half they made us read stories about Trump collusion with Russia on a daily basis? It's all BS. The quality of journalism today is tabloid quality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidential_trips_made_by_Donald_Trump_during_2018

I when typing it I had in mind the active troops in war zones, making a special trip to visit them. Don't blame the media for everything.
You're a former service guy, you cant really defend him the way he's disrespected so many over the past few years.

This is a good example of cognitive dissonance. I'm also a veteran and we both told you that a large percentage of veterans support Trump. In fact it's overwhelming.

He is actually planning to visit a combat theater. It won't matter. The opposition liberals in the media from day one have attacked his Presidency like none other in history. The attacks on every tiny thing he does will continue, they will continue to twist the record, and twits like you will eat it up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 24, 2018, 10:05:24 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 19, 2018, 05:12:19 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46256296 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46256296)

Finland bemused by Trump raking comment

"Finns have been baffled by US President Donald Trump's comments praising the country for managing its vast forests by raking.

Citing a conversation with his Finnish counterpart, Mr Trump said they spend "a lot of time on raking and cleaning".

But President Sauli Niinisto told a Finnish daily he could not remember talking about raking when the two met."

Why, does this silly man keep uttering such bollox - esp considering the number of missing people / dead people ?

President Trump was referring to industrial grade vehicles which rake and remove under brush. I realize you're too dumb to actually check or to realize that the "msm" was working over sheep like you, so here's a photo of various vehicles. The one in the upper left is what he was referring to. There are others with similar functions. Logging also reduced the chance for wildfires but the lemmings on the left prefer to have uncontained wildfires destroy millions or billions in property and kill hundreds of people.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=forest+raking+heavy+equipment+for+clearing+forest+underbrush&id=A8F0394377189C0566844C41A23E703BD28B06D8&FORM=IQFRBA

this link discusses the same thing

https://www.fecon.com/forestry/applications/vegetation-management/?keyword=%2Bbrush%20%2Bclearing

more

https://www.doi.gov/ocl/hearings/110/ForestRestorationAndHazardousFuels_121307

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 24, 2018, 02:48:02 PM

This seems to be a step in the right direction

Title: Whoops Moby - more daftness
Post by: 2tallbill on November 24, 2018, 03:38:06 PM

Quote from: msmoby on November 19, 2018, 05:12:19 AM

Finland bemused by Trump raking comment[/b]
This guy is making the USA a laughing stock - wake up !

(https://i.redd.it/12b1la1ux5021.jpg)

What's next? You are going to tell us about cow tipping?

Are you the guy on the construction site that they told to get a sawdust pump or a
board stretcher? Who is the clueless laughingstock now? I've actually fought forest
fires and it's the fault of environmentalists in California that has them burning out of
control.

In the old days they managed the forest and cleared the brush, had controlled
burns, etc. However, the environmentalist said "that's not natural, you must leave
all the brush to pile up so that squirrels will have a home. Then when a small fire
burns, it burns totally out of control and can't be stopped. THEN the environmentalists
blame the out of control fires on global warming instead of their ineptitude.

Title: Re: President Trump - more daftness
Post by: Contrarian on November 24, 2018, 03:48:46 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 24, 2018, 03:38:06 PM

Quote from: msmoby on November 19, 2018, 05:12:19 AM
Finland bemused by Trump raking comment[/b]
This guy is making the USA a laughing stock - wake up !

Who is the clueless laughingstock now? I've actually fought forest fires
What's next? You are going to tell us about cow tipping?

(https://i.redd.it/12b1la1ux5021.jpg)

I tried to tell him above but the photo of your rake is better than the ones I could find. :thumbsup:

Title: Whoops Moby - more daftness
Post by: 2tallbill on November 24, 2018, 04:02:56 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 24, 2018, 03:48:46 PM

I tried to tell him above but the photo of your rake is better than the ones I could find. :thumbsup:

My Grandfather was a wheat and cattle rancher. He cut certain parts of the fields for
hay using a swather. The he used a "Hay Rake" to direct all the hay into a row.

Moby thinks he used this

(https://bethanybenike.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/img_3703.jpg)

Rather than this

Or maybe Moby has a story where he knew a Russian dancing bear
who was the second cousin of the real American Smokey the Bear?
and Smokey the Bear told his friend the dancing bear him that
Trump was referring to a leaf rake which is NEVER used in the
woods rather than an industrial rake used for forest
management.

Title: Re: Whoops Moby - more daftness
Post by: Contrarian on November 24, 2018, 08:03:58 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 24, 2018, 04:02:56 PM

Quote from: Confederate on November 24, 2018, 03:48:46 PM
I tried to tell him above but the photo of your rake is better than the ones I could find. :thumbsup:

My Grandfather was a wheat and cattle rancher. He cut certain parts of the fields for
hay using a swather. The he used a "Hay Rake" to direct all the hay into a row.

Moby thinks he used this

(https://bethanybenike.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/img_3703.jpg)

Rather than this

Or maybe Moby has a story where he knew a Russian dancing bear
who was the second cousin of the real American Smokey the Bear?
and Smokey the Bear told his friend the dancing bear him that
Trump was referring to a leaf rake which is NEVER used in the
woods rather than an industrial rake used for forest
management.

Moby and the rest of the whiners and remoaners are just bitter they didn't get their way. Here's a good video to remind sad sacks like Moby and TomT that nobody thought Trump would win.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 24, 2018, 08:21:17 PM

Whoops! I forgot Donkey Don. This ones for you Donhollio. :laugh:

Title: Re: Whoops Moby - more daftness
Post by: msmoby on November 25, 2018, 01:37:29 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 24, 2018, 04:02:56 PM

Moby thinks he used this

(https://bethanybenike.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/img_3703.jpg)

Rather than this

Or maybe Moby has a story where he knew a Russian dancing bear
who was the second cousin of the real American Smokey the Bear?
and Smokey the Bear told his friend the dancing bear him that
Trump was referring to a leaf rake which is NEVER used in the
woods rather than an industrial rake used for forest
management.

Moby knows the Finnish PM says he never had a conversation with Trampu' about 'rakes' ...

Seems like the 'Trampu' apologists just don't want / can't admit he is a fibber

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 25, 2018, 01:48:29 AM

So two notes:

A. Some sketchy foreign guy gets offed by his own foreign barbarian government in a second barbarian state....why, exactly, should Americans/Westerners give a shit about this? To me, it's approximately the same as the dipshit who went to "Bow & Arrow" Island in India - he went somewhere he shouldn't, and, in fact, should have known better than to go.

B. President trump talks about removing underbrush to prevent forest fires, which is actually a pretty solid idea, and the Left wets their nappy and tosses the dummy out of the pram. Why? They're triggered by everything he does.

B/B

Title: Re: Whoops Moby - more daftness
Post by: AvHdB on November 25, 2018, 08:04:50 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 25, 2018, 01:37:29 AM

Seems like the 'Trampu' apologists just don't want / can't admit he is a fibber

I suspect Moby was attempting to write the below:

Seems like the 'Moby' apologist can't admit he is a fibber.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 25, 2018, 08:25:35 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 25, 2018, 01:48:29 AM

So two notes:

A. Some sketchy foreign guy gets offed by his own foreign barbarian government in a second barbarian state....why, exactly, should Americans/Westerners give a shit about this? To me, it's approximately the same as the dipshit who went to "Bow & Arrow" Island in India - he went somewhere he shouldn't, and, in fact, should have known better than to go.

B. President trump talks about removing underbrush to prevent forest fires, which is actually a pretty solid idea, and the Left wets their nappy and tosses the dummy out of the pram. Why? They're triggered by everything he does.

B/B

That’s Moby for you. Why exactly he should be so concerned about the actions of a foreign Head of State is typical of the guardinista mob. Anybody whose views are aposite to their narrow world view of open borders, yuman rights and happy clappy la la land is fair game to them.

Title: Re: Whoops Moby - more daftness
Post by: BillyB on November 25, 2018, 09:05:17 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 25, 2018, 01:37:29 AM

Moby knows the Finnish PM says he never had a conversation with Trampu' about 'rakes' ...

Seems like the 'Trampu' apologists just don't want / can't admit he is a fibber

Trump never said the Finnish PM told him about raking. Find the quote. The Finnish PM gave Trump tips and Trump said Finland spends a lot of time raking, cleaning, and doing things to prevent problems. Trump said this in California after he seen raking done to stop the fires.

I've used rakes like the one 2tall showed but it will no be used in Finland or America to clear the underbrush to prevent forest fires. It's not practical and damages the forest. That type of rake is used to clear forests permanently after the trees are cut down.

Title: Re: Whoops Moby - more daftness
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2018, 09:18:36 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on November 25, 2018, 08:04:50 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 25, 2018, 01:37:29 AM
Seems like the 'Trampu' apologists just don't want / can't admit he is a fibber

I suspect Moby was attempting to write the below:

Seems like the 'Moby' apologist can't admit he is a fibber.

Are there any Moby apologists?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 25, 2018, 10:00:20 AM

Like him or not, president Trump has had a positive effect on Korea.

Title: Whoops Moby - more daftness
Post by: 2tallbill on November 25, 2018, 10:13:42 AM

Quote from: msmoby on November 25, 2018, 01:37:29 AM

Moby knows the Finnish PM says he never had a conversation with Trampu' about 'rakes' ...

Seems like the 'Trampu' apologists just don't want / can't admit he is a fibber

You didn't know anything about rakes in forestry. Admit it and stop pretending
you did.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Halo on November 25, 2018, 10:42:36 AM

That’s because nobody rakes forests. The suggestion was stupid.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/environment/2018/11/18/Trump-raking-forests-prevent-California-wildfires-Finland-president/stories/201811180193

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2018, 10:52:59 AM

In a World that desperately needs new ideas and fresh thinking attempting to condemn a President who engages in both common sense and fresh thinking is especially troublesome. Yet indicative of liberals -- do it my way, or else. Think my way, or else. Hardly a progressive way of thinking. Actually very regressive and tyrannical.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2018, 10:58:50 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on November 25, 2018, 08:25:35 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 25, 2018, 01:48:29 AM
So two notes:

A. Some sketchy foreign guy gets offed by his own foreign barbarian government in a second barbarian state....why, exactly, should Americans/Westerners give a shit about this? To me, it's approximately the same as the dipshit who went to "Bow & Arrow" Island in India - he went somewhere he shouldn't, and, in fact, should have known better than to go.

B. President trump talks about removing underbrush to prevent forest fires, which is actually a pretty solid idea, and the Left wets their nappy and tosses the dummy out of the pram. Why? They're triggered by everything he does.

B/B
That’s Moby for you. Why exactly he should be so concerned about the actions of a foreign Head of State is typical of the guardinista mob. Anybody whose views are aposite to their narrow world view of open borders, yuman rights and happy clappy la la land is fair game to them.

Well said Dogsoldier. As B/B says liberals always want something done about something that upsets them, but they want somebody else to pay for it.

The thread about unrest in Paris is a pretty good example of this.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Halo on November 25, 2018, 11:17:57 AM

Read the article. The suggestion is stupid. Furthermore, decay on forest floors supplies nutrients for trees. So removing that decay will affect forest growth.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2018, 11:21:00 AM

Quote from: Halo on November 25, 2018, 11:17:57 AM

Read the article. The suggestion is stupid. Furthermore, decay on forest floors supplies nutrients for trees. So removing that decay will affect forest growth.

Yes, read the article. :chuckle:

Trump often uses the wrong word to describe what he's trying to say, and yet it was discussed.

And raking for leaves and needles is not a normal feature of Finnish fire prevention, according to Rami Ruuska, a forest fires expert at the Finnish Interior Ministry. Instead, Finns focus on removing dead trees from the forest floor — where possible.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 25, 2018, 11:29:34 AM

Quote from: Halo on November 25, 2018, 10:42:36 AM

That’s because nobody rakes forests. The suggestion was stupid.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/environment/2018/11/18/Trump-raking-forests-prevent-California-wildfires-Finland-president/stories/201811180193

Go back to Reply #10953 and read forward.

Nobody uses a yard rake in the forest that is correct. However, you've never
fought a forest fire have you? You've probably never worked on a crew clearing
underbrush either.

They have a whole slew of machines designed to clear the underbrush from a
forest and guess what they call some of them? Do you wanna guess the name?

(https://i.redd.it/12b1la1ux5021.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2018, 11:41:37 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 25, 2018, 11:29:34 AM

Quote from: Halo on November 25, 2018, 10:42:36 AM
That’s because nobody rakes forests. The suggestion was stupid.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/environment/2018/11/18/Trump-raking-forests-prevent-California-wildfires-Finland-president/stories/201811180193

Go back to Reply #10953 and read forward.

Nobody uses a yard rake in the forest that is correct. However, you've never
fought a forest fire have you? You've probably never worked on a crew clearing
underbrush either.

Don't be ridiculous. She's a liberal. She lives in a fantasy World where only a bunch of lawyers can solve real-World problems.

Need to screw in a light bulb? Only a team of 10 lawyers can do it best. Need to redefine what a mud puddle is for the EPA? Only a bunch of lawyers can do that.

Real-World blue collar common sense type people need not apply. Moonbeam Jerry is probably a hero.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 25, 2018, 11:44:13 AM

The link below is of scripted media events that influence thoughts and opinions. We see this every day in the liberal media coverage of President Trump. The media is very persuasive in deception

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Halo on November 25, 2018, 11:47:49 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 25, 2018, 11:29:34 AM

Quote from: Halo on November 25, 2018, 10:42:36 AM
That’s because nobody rakes forests. The suggestion was stupid.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/environment/2018/11/18/Trump-raking-forests-prevent-California-wildfires-Finland-president/stories/201811180193

Go back to Reply #10953 and read forward.

Nobody uses a yard rake in the forest that is correct. However, you've never
fought a forest fire have you? You've probably never worked on a crew clearing
underbrush either.

They have a whole slew of machines designed to clear the underbrush from a
forest and guess what they call some of them? Do you wanna guess the name?

(https://i.redd.it/12b1la1ux5021.jpg)

.

No I haven’t. But I worked for a company that fought forest fires. I spoke with fire fighters and government biologists, asked a lot of questions. Here, nothing is cleared out as the remnants are a rich source of nutrients. In fact, for years, there were controlled fires set in the Rockies as a form of forest renewal. So, it’s still a stupid idea.

BTW, how will your “rake” above navigate between forest trees?

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 25, 2018, 11:48:45 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 25, 2018, 01:48:29 AM

So two notes:

A. Some sketchy foreign guy gets offed by his own foreign barbarian government in a second barbarian state....why, exactly, should Americans/Westerners give a shit about this? To me, it's approximately the same as the dipshit who went to "Bow & Arrow" Island in India - he went somewhere he shouldn't, and, in fact, should have known better than to go.

B. President trump talks about removing underbrush to prevent forest fires, which is actually a pretty solid idea, and the Left wets their nappy and tosses the dummy out of the pram. Why? They're triggered by everything he does.

B/B

Do you remember the poor back packers in Iran?
How about the NK tourists?

Here is the great thing about living in a free country. If somebody wants to
poke a badger in the but with a stick there's nobody going stop you, but you
have to take personal responsibility for your actions. That badger is going to
turn around and sh!t is going to get real.

Lefties always complain about the US sticking our nose in the affairs of others.
Yet they want Trump to stick his nose into this?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on November 25, 2018, 11:53:12 AM

Roads must be built through forests to create firebreaks, dead trees and tall underbrush must be removed to prevent massive forest fires. A few trees must die for the whole forest to survive. Unfortunately we have tree lovers making the rules up. Save a tree, lose the forest.

The rake 2tall posted will not work. It's great for stopping fires but it will not help the forest before a fire. The teeth on the rake used to remove underbrush and clear dead trees will also damage the roots of the trees that are to remain. Also the operator will not be able to push out the brush out of a large forest with trees constantly in the way. One of the best techniques used is setting the underbrush on fire periodically to keep it from growing too tall which can pass the fire onto the limbs of the trees.

Regardless if one thinks Trump is stupid or smart on forest fire prevention, he's smart enough to let the experts figure it out. Environmentalists and tree huggers had their chance to figure things out, influenced government with their ideas, and it didn't work out too well. Forest gone, animals dead, and skies heavily polluted.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2018, 11:55:31 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 25, 2018, 11:48:45 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 25, 2018, 01:48:29 AM
So two notes:

A. Some sketchy foreign guy gets offed by his own foreign barbarian government in a second barbarian state....why, exactly, should Americans/Westerners give a shit about this? To me, it's approximately the same as the dipshit who went to "Bow & Arrow" Island in India - he went somewhere he shouldn't, and, in fact, should have known better than to go.

B. President trump talks about removing underbrush to prevent forest fires, which is actually a pretty solid idea, and the Left wets their nappy and tosses the dummy out of the pram. Why? They're triggered by everything he does.

B/B

Do you remember the poor back packers in Iran?
How about the NK tourists?

Here is the great thing about living in a free country. If somebody wants to
poke a badger in the but with a stick there's nobody going stop you, but you
have to take personal responsibility for your actions. That badger is going to
turn around and sh!t is going to get real.

Lefties always complain about the US sticking our nose in the affairs of others.
Yet they want Trump to stick his nose into this?

Generally speaking I agree with you about the importance of not sticking our nose into the affairs of others.

The reality is that the Saudi war against Yemen is giving us a black eye. Heinous crimes are being committed using American weapons.

Chuck Todd who is annoying as hell had Republican Senator Mike Lee on who said we should stop doing business with the Saudi's for the reason I just listed. I'm pretty sure Rand Paul has the exact or similar opinion.

Time will tell what will happen and what are the best solutions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2018, 11:59:37 AM

Quote from: Halo on November 25, 2018, 11:47:49 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 25, 2018, 11:29:34 AM
Quote from: Halo on November 25, 2018, 10:42:36 AM
That’s because nobody rakes forests. The suggestion was stupid.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/environment/2018/11/18/Trump-raking-forests-prevent-California-wildfires-Finland-president/stories/201811180193

Go back to Reply #10953 and read forward.

Nobody uses a yard rake in the forest that is correct. However, you've never
fought a forest fire have you? You've probably never worked on a crew clearing
underbrush either.

They have a whole slew of machines designed to clear the underbrush from a
forest and guess what they call some of them? Do you wanna guess the name?

.

No I haven’t. But I worked for a company that fought forest fires. I spoke with fire fighters and government biologists, asked a lot of questions. Here, nothing is cleared out as the remnants are a rich source of nutrients. In fact, for years, there were controlled fires set in the Rockies as a form of forest renewal. So, it’s still a stupid idea.

BTW, how will your “rake” above navigate between forest trees?

You're trying to generalize something you heard about.

According to your theory California should let whole forests and cities burn to the ground each year in order that the forest, which will soon burn to the ground due to such a monumentally stupid idea, will have nutrients. :sick0012:
:ROFL:

(should we vomit or laugh like hell at that stupid idea?)

Title: Once again the lefties got involved and screwed the pooch.
Post by: 2tallbill on November 25, 2018, 12:00:39 PM

Quote from: Halo on November 25, 2018, 11:47:49 AM

So, it’s still a stupid idea.

BTW, how will your “rake” above navigate between forest trees?

It's a good idea, it's called Forest Management and they had degrees for that at
Oregon State University back when I was a schoolboy there. I didn't take any of those
classes but had many friends who majored in Forest management.

What they do is survey an area or track of forest, they identify the terrain, the slope,
the soil, rocks, cliffs, the type of trees, and a thousand other things. Then they come
up with a management plan. They harvest some of the trees, they cut down dead or
diseased trees, they thin, they remove brush and they make the forest far more
accessible, healthy, safe and profitable.

Then the lefties got involved. They decided to stop doing all these things and people
are dead because of it. However, they decided to blame global warming rather than
accept responsibility for their incompetence.

Title: Re: Once again the lefties got involved and screwed the pooch.
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2018, 12:04:09 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 25, 2018, 12:00:39 PM

Quote from: Halo on November 25, 2018, 11:47:49 AM
So, it’s still a stupid idea.

BTW, how will your “rake” above navigate between forest trees?

It's a good idea, it's called Forest Management and they had degrees for that at
Oregon State University back when I was a schoolboy there. I didn't take any of those
classes but had many friends who majored in Forest management.

What they do is survey an area or track of forest, they identify the terrain, the slope,
the soil, rocks, cliffs, the type of trees, and a thousand other things. Then they come
up with a management plan. They harvest some of the trees, they cut down dead or
diseased trees, they thin, they remove brush and they make the forest far more
accessible, healthy, safe and profitable.

Then the lefties got involved. They decided to stop doing all these things and people
are dead because of it. However, they decided to blame global warming rather than
accept responsibility for their incompetence.

Bingo! Proving yet again that "liberalism" is a brain disease. Lefties hate logging with a passion, so hey let's not have any logging at all but Billions of dollars in forest fires along with animal and human deaths, because we hate logging. :sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2018, 12:06:30 PM

Quote from: BillyB on November 25, 2018, 11:53:12 AM

Roads must be built through forests to create firebreaks, dead trees and tall underbrush must be removed to prevent massive forest fires. A few trees must die for the whole forest to survive. Unfortunately we have tree lovers making the rules up. Save a tree, lose the forest.

Very well said Billy. :thumbsup:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 25, 2018, 12:08:47 PM

Quote from: BillyB on November 25, 2018, 11:53:12 AM

The rake 2tall posted will not work. It's great for stopping fires but it will not help the
forest before a fire. The teeth on the rake used to remove underbrush and clear dead
trees will also damage the roots of the trees that are to remain.

Also the operator will not be able to push out the brush out of a large forest with trees
constantly in the way. One of the best techniques used is setting the underbrush on fire periodically to keep it from growing too tall which can pass the fire onto the limbs of the
trees.

Billy, you know heavy equipment. Can an experienced bulldozer operator scrape the top
of the ground or not? The teeth aren't made for digging into the Earth, they are made
for scraping along the top of the ground keeping the brush from getting away while
leaving the soil behind.

First they thin the trees and then they scrape the brush into piles. They burn the piles
and then spread them around but I've seen them (rarely) sent off to be made into chips
as well.

Title: Lefties caused the problem because they were inept
Post by: 2tallbill on November 25, 2018, 12:21:15 PM

Quote from: Halo on November 25, 2018, 11:47:49 AM

Here, nothing is cleared out as the remnants are a rich source of nutrients. In fact, for years, there were controlled fires set in the Rockies as a form of forest renewal. So, it’s still a stupid idea.

They don't haul the brush home for their cleared brush collection. 99% of the time they
pile it up, then burn it, then spread it around when they are done. Hence your argument
of losing the nutrients is moot. 1% of the time or less they send the thicker stuff off to
make chips.

If you go down to the local Home Depot, you can find chemical fertilizer. It usually will have
three numbers on it. Like Andersons Fertilizer 18-24-12

The first number is the percent of nitrogen by weight, the second is for phosphate
and the third number is for potash. The numbers don't add up to a hundred because
they had stuff in their to bind the stuff together with and for it to dissolve consistently.

The name derives from pot ash, which refers to plant ashes soaked in water in
a pot, the primary means of manufacturing the product before the industrial era.
The word potassium is derived from potash.

Burned brush provides a natural source of potassium called potash. Without resorting
to dumping chemicals on the forest floor.

When we go for a picnic in the mountains Angel Eyes carries garbage bags and a hand
garden shovel with her. She will go from one camp site to another harvesting the ash
from the grilles and then she will mix it with cow manure and compost from our compost
heap and then she will spread it in our garden.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on November 25, 2018, 12:44:53 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on November 25, 2018, 12:08:47 PM

Billy, you know heavy equipment. Can an experienced bulldozer operator scrape the top
of the ground or not?

Of course he can. First they thin the trees and then they scrape the brush into piles.
Once you got a pile moving in front of the blade you don't sink the teeth of your blade
deep into the ground. The goal isn't to dig into the soil which is usually pretty thin in
the mountains. The goal is to scrap the debris into piles.

They usually burn the piles but I've seen the sent off to be made into chips as well.

I use the rakes like the one in your photo clearing property of brush at the beginning of a construction project after logging is done and stumps are removed,. The teeth on the rake is designed to go into the ground to rip out roots of vegetation so that the vegetation is lifted out of the ground. The teeth are so wide, a bush can go through them and still stay rooted to the ground so the teeth makes sure the roots get lifted out. There are probably YouTube videos on this. After enough brush is out of the ground and the operator has a full blade, he will carry his pile with the teeth above ground. He will roll the pile to shake the dirt off the roots. Chances are the brush is going to be burned, loaded into a grinder or loaded out and dirt stuck to the roots must be removed. Even if one is convinced clearing brush can be done without putting the teeth in the ground at any time, the grouser pads on the tracks are always digging into the ground for traction. Any damage to the roots of a tree you're trying to save increases the risk of that tree dying or getting blown over during the next wind storm.

With a trees and stumps in the way, the processes to clear underbrush with a dozer is impractical if the goal is to save the forests. A dozer operator will rip out roots of trees that are to be saved and will be pushing falling trees with that brush. The fallen trees are long and in the blade of a dozer, it is wide and as it passes by standing trees, it will rip the bark off those trees that are to be saved making them vulnerable to insects and disease. I worked with loggers and I do demo work, dozers are great for rip, tear, and destroying things.

America already has adequate forest management in place. Just go to military bases. We protect the forests our military has to train in. No forest, no training. Considering the military uses a lot of explosives in their training when was the last fire that burned down everything on a military base? There are firebreak roads and great forest management practices in use so in the event of a fire, a small portion of forest may go down on a military base but not everything. Real experts in forest management take care of our military bases and our government should have them take care of our private forests. No bulldozer rake necessary. Trump may have seen that in use during the fighting of fires in California but they are not practical in saving a forest prior to a fire due to the damage they do.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on November 25, 2018, 01:00:46 PM

Quote from: BillyB on November 25, 2018, 12:44:53 PM

I use the rakes like the one in your photo clearing property of brush at the beginning of a construction project after logging is done and stumps are removed,.

I've never used a bulldozer for actual bulldozing. I've used one for pulling a viber-shank
which is like a spring tooth for breaking up the soil in a plowed field.

I have seen the brush piles before they burned them a million times. I am not sure of
the technique they use because I haven't seen it but I know they do it all the time.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 25, 2018, 03:28:50 PM

Some border action, notice the large number of women and children

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 25, 2018, 03:45:51 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 25, 2018, 03:28:50 PM

Some border action, notice the large number of women and children

Need a higher wall and a couple of helicopter gunships..

They had the same problem in Israel a short while back.. :chuckle:

(https://scontent.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46791003_1845071978925031_2322631774380752896_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fhel3-1.fna&oh=be23fe2918edfb98443a9e515f4f7cba&oe=5CAC4DE6)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 25, 2018, 05:09:54 PM

Sad, but this has happened all too often. Congress needs to make stricter immigration reform, and funding for the wall.
Before the end of the year.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2018, 08:49:45 PM

Nearly 5,000 potential freeloaders get pushed back with tear gas.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/san-ysidro-border-crossing-closed-for-hours-us-fires-tear-gas-as-migrants-rush-toward-border/ar-BBQ4PyS?li=BBnb7Kz

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Bruce Lee on November 25, 2018, 11:50:15 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 25, 2018, 03:45:51 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on November 25, 2018, 03:28:50 PM
Some border action, notice the large number of women and children

Need a higher wall and a couple of helicopter gunships..

They had the same problem in Israel a short while back.. :chuckle:

(https://scontent.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46791003_1845071978925031_2322631774380752896_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fhel3-1.fna&oh=be23fe2918edfb98443a9e515f4f7cba&oe=5CAC4DE6)

Thought it was the border crossing at Calais :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 26, 2018, 02:10:07 AM

Quote from: Bruce Lee on November 25, 2018, 11:50:15 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on November 25, 2018, 03:45:51 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on November 25, 2018, 03:28:50 PM
Some border action, notice the large number of women and children

Need a higher wall and a couple of helicopter gunships..

They had the same problem in Israel a short while back.. :chuckle:

(https://scontent.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46791003_1845071978925031_2322631774380752896_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fhel3-1.fna&oh=be23fe2918edfb98443a9e515f4f7cba&oe=5CAC4DE6)
Thought it was the border crossing at Calais :chuckle:

Just a few more years and it's going to be a totally different situation .... those migrants will never make it to Mars.. :ROFL:

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-denies-that-spacexs-mars-colony-will-be-a-tic-1830640399

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on November 26, 2018, 08:53:42 AM

We should just machine gun them. Then the libs will try to have "muh Revolution!" forgetting that the Right goes target shooting for fun. Once we've culled the herd, the electorate will be back to "voting correctly" and we can implement proper border and immigration procedures.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 26, 2018, 09:20:12 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 26, 2018, 08:53:42 AM

We should just machine gun them. Then the libs will try to have "muh Revolution!" forgetting that the Right goes target shooting for fun. Once we've culled the herd, the electorate will be back to "voting correctly" and we can implement proper border and immigration procedures.

Start by giving helicopter rides to Jim Acosta and the Communist News Network and you’re on to something. :chuckle:

The good news is that Mexico is going to deport 500 of the worst offenders back to Honduras. Turns out that Mexico doesn’t want a bunch of unruly thug illegals in their country either.

If the message goes out that even after a thousand mile trek to the border you won’t get in and that the gravy train is over this could be a major victory for Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on November 26, 2018, 09:34:50 AM

Another innocent American killed by an illegal on thanksgiving. Why are illegals allowed to drive?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 26, 2018, 10:53:07 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 26, 2018, 08:53:42 AM

We should just machine gun them. Then the libs will try to have "muh Revolution!" forgetting that the Right goes target shooting for fun. Once we've culled the herd, the electorate will be back to "voting correctly" and we can implement proper border and immigration procedures.

:ROFL:

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 26, 2018, 11:05:18 AM

Quote from: Confederate on November 26, 2018, 09:20:12 AM

Quote from: B.B. on November 26, 2018, 08:53:42 AM
We should just machine gun them. Then the libs will try to have "muh Revolution!" forgetting that the Right goes target shooting for fun. Once we've culled the herd, the electorate will be back to "voting correctly" and we can implement proper border and immigration procedures.

Start by giving helicopter rides to Jim Acosta and the Communist News Network and you’re on to something. :chuckle:

The good news is that Mexico is going to deport 500 of the worst offenders back to Honduras. Turns out that Mexico doesn’t want a bunch of unruly thug illegals in their country either.

If the message goes out that even after a thousand mile trek to the border you won’t get in and that the gravy train is over this could be a major victory for Trump.

I agree.

This rabble have had endless media attention from the very beginning with the aim of building up some kind of sympathy for the group and to ramp up pressure on Trump. If he keeps to his guns, turns them around and the migrant caravan fails, it'll stop many more planning the journey north. If he folds and lets them in, expect millions more to make the journey.

An example must be set, as it should have been done in Europe over the last couple years. Brexit hasn't even been rubber stamped yet but the fear alone, has scared some of the beggars off from trying to make the move.

Title: Re: President Trump Screwed Up
Post by: shakespear on November 27, 2018, 12:57:07 PM

President Trump really screwed up when he attacked federal judges especially
in the 9th Circuit Court. It made him sound impotent, petulant and irrational.
The Chief Justice was more than entitled to defend the integrity of the court from
such a childish and immature rant.

The better, more rational, more reasoned and more effective argument would have
sounded something like this:

Circuit Court Judge Jon S Tigar of the Northern District of California imposed an
injunction that barred the Government from enforcing my Executive Order against
anyone, not just the plaintiffs in his area of responsibility. Injunctions that prohibit
the Executive Branch from applying a law or policy against anyone—often called
“universal” or “nationwide” injunctions—have become increasingly common in recent
years; especially from the 9th Circuit.

It is my opinion that District Judges like Judge Tigar, have begun imposing universal
injunctions without considering their authority to grant such sweeping relief. It is also
my opinion that such ill founded injunctions are beginning to have a negative impact
on the overall effectiveness of the federal court system; preventing legal questions from
their natural progression through the federal courts, encouraging forum shopping, and
making every case a national emergency for the courts and for the Executive Branch.

My Attorney General is skeptical that district courts have the authority to enter universal
injunctions because on their face, they appear to be inconsistent with longstanding limits
on equitable relief and the power of Article III courts.

Accordingly, I am asking the US Supreme Court to immediately take up the issue of
"universal" or "nationwide" injunctions by Federal District Court judges in an expedited
fashion.

I'd bet dollars to donuts that Justice Thomas would have immediately acted positively on
such a request.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 27, 2018, 01:40:13 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 27, 2018, 12:57:07 PM

President Trump really screwed up when he attacked federal judges especially
in the 9th Circuit Court. It made him sound impotent, petulant and irrational.
The Chief Justice was more than entitled to defend the integrity of the court from
such a childish and immature rant.

The better, more rational, more reasoned and more effective argument would have
sounded something like this:

Circuit Court Judge Jon S Tigar of the Northern District of California imposed an
injunction that barred the Government from enforcing my Executive Order against
anyone, not just the plaintiffs in his area of responsibility. Injunctions that prohibit
the Executive Branch from applying a law or policy against anyone—often called
“universal” or “nationwide” injunctions—have become increasingly common in recent
years; especially from the 9th Circuit.

It is my opinion that District Judges like Judge Tigar, have begun imposing universal
injunctions without considering their authority to grant such sweeping relief. It is also
my opinion that such ill founded injunctions are beginning to have a negative impact
on the overall effectiveness of the federal court system; preventing legal questions from
their natural progression through the federal courts, encouraging forum shopping, and
making every case a national emergency for the courts and for the Executive Branch.

My Attorney General is skeptical that district courts have the authority to enter universal
injunctions because on their face, they appear to be inconsistent with longstanding limits
on equitable relief and the power of Article III courts.

Accordingly, I am asking the US Supreme Court to immediately take up the issue of
"universal" or "nationwide" injunctions by Federal District Court judges in an expedited
fashion.

I'd bet dollars to donuts that Justice Thomas would have immediately acted positively on
such a request.

No one would read your long winded version nor would it fit on Twitter. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump Screwed Up
Post by: 2tallbill on November 27, 2018, 06:44:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on November 27, 2018, 12:57:07 PM

President Trump really screwed up when he attacked federal judges especially
in the 9th Circuit Court.

The 9th Circuit Court has long been known as the 9th Circus and they are the
most reversed court in the country as well. Ninth Circuit district courts are
authorized 112 judgeships. There are 20 vacancies with 2 future vacancies
announced.

It's been a circus because the Dem Senators don't allow anybody but lefty nutters
on it. However with the GOP in majority Trump should make a priority of filling all
those vacancies as soon as possible.

I would blame Trump for not getting a nomination for every vacancy, but they have
long been a circus and calling them out on it is long overdue.

https://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/content/view_db.php?pk_id=0000000899

(http://firstin.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/9th_circuit_court_appeals.jpg)

(https://pics.me.me/one-of-these-days-the-9th-circuit-court-of-appeals-14443807.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on November 28, 2018, 04:37:51 AM

Breaking news!!

Trump finally sanctions Saudi Arabia .. There are travel bans on the prince's pet parrot and hamster.. :chuckle:

Macron has already sanctioned those responsible for the murder by issuing travel bans .. though I'm not sure how they plan to travel in any case, they are all locked ready to be be-headed.. :ROFL:

It's all a step in the right direction though.. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 28, 2018, 08:43:37 PM

Retweeted by Trump...

(https://i.imgtc.com/gpQ47RG.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 28, 2018, 10:29:11 PM

Forward to all True Patriots you may know:

Storm Is Upon Us

Now that we the Patriots of the USA won another GOP US Senate seat in Missisippi the Swamp clean out is about to get Real:

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/news-briefs-11282018/#respond

Epic Videos by Patriots:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDFe_yKnRf4XM7W_sWbcxtw

Q - The Plan To Save The World (Subtitles)

(https://nebula.wsimg.com/ea384f73c568092a8888b974e0a94347?AccessKeyId=A46309A05E2048F24273&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)

The people of the world are sick and tired of being set against each other by powerful criminals who want us divided so they can continue to rape, steal from and exploit us.

Currently the gravest threat to the world is the corrupt mainstream media who has been taken over by a powerful cabal. They have been lying to us for decades, twisted our minds and led us down a path of darkness. The evidence is all around you.

The only way we can defeat this evil is by removing their power and turning them off. They are named the "Mockingbird Media" after a criminal operation of the same name to infiltrate journalism and take control of the narratives.

The only way out of this prison is to read the crumbs dropped via the NSA Intelligence Program otherwise known as Q.

Close Captioning now available. Many translations available and more coming.

When YouTube eventually censor this, you can find it on Bitchute.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ItGCVS...

Not affiliated with Trump, Q or any intel source other than what is publicly available here:
https://qproofs.com
https://qmap.pub/

Disclaimer: I am not making accusations of guilt towards anyone featured in this video. That is Huber's job, and if they have done crimes, they will be exposed - if not, they won't.

Many people have asked permission to share. Listen up: SHARE IT. I don't care if you credit it or not. Download it locally, mirror it, put it up on your own channel, whatever you want. It's not like I filmed all that footage.

Others have asked to donate. NO. We work only for freedom. There are people taking bullets for the republic, the least we can do is scramble whatever talents we have to ensure their sacrifices are not in vain.

Look on Twitter for these trusted patriots who know whats what:
@Jordan_Sather_
@prayingmedic
@LisaMei62
@CabalPunisher
@tracybeanz
@SGTreport
@LionelMedia
@IntheMatrixxx
@_ImperatorRex_
@StormIsUponUs (me)

They want you DIVIDED.
DIVIDED by RACE.
DIVIDED by RELIGION.
DIVIDED by CULTURE.
DIVIDED by POLITICAL AFFILIATION.

The want this because
DIVIDED YOU ARE WEAK.
TOGETHER YOU ARE STRONG.
YOU, THE PEOPLE, HAVE THE POWER.

It’s time to research for yourself.

Think for yourself.

Trust yourself.

You will find many things, among them an unprecedented number of sealed indictments filed in preparation for a mass arrest event.
See here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folder...

You will also discover an unprecedented list of corrupt CEOs who have recently been removed from their posts.
See these here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...

You will see the same in the Senate, and in Congress.
And you will see the same at the top of the FBI, and the Department of Justice.

This movement is not about one person or a group of people.
It is about WE THE PEOPLE.

The world is currently witnessing the largest mass treason event in living history. But instead of being fearful, we should be filled with hope. Instead of fighting among ourselves, we should recognize our only true enemy - the criminal Deep State, and their once invincible mainstream media apparatus.

Do you want to free yourself? It’s easy.

Follow Q… and TURN THEM OFF!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on November 29, 2018, 03:40:15 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 28, 2018, 08:43:37 PM

Retweeted by Trump...

(https://i.imgtc.com/gpQ47RG.png)

:thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2018, 09:20:51 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on November 28, 2018, 10:29:11 PM

Forward to all True Patriots you may know:

Storm Is Upon Us

Now that we the Patriots of the USA won another GOP US Senate seat in Missisippi the Swamp clean out is about to get Real:

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/news-briefs-11282018/#respond

Epic Videos by Patriots:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDFe_yKnRf4XM7W_sWbcxtw

Q - The Plan To Save The World (Subtitles)

(https://nebula.wsimg.com/ea384f73c568092a8888b974e0a94347?AccessKeyId=A46309A05E2048F24273&disposition=0&alloworigin=1)

The people of the world are sick and tired of being set against each other by powerful criminals who want us divided so they can continue to rape, steal from and exploit us.

Currently the gravest threat to the world is the corrupt mainstream media who has been taken over by a powerful cabal. They have been lying to us for decades, twisted our minds and led us down a path of darkness. The evidence is all around you.

The only way we can defeat this evil is by removing their power and turning them off. They are named the "Mockingbird Media" after a criminal operation of the same name to infiltrate journalism and take control of the narratives.

The only way out of this prison is to read the crumbs dropped via the NSA Intelligence Program otherwise known as Q.

Close Captioning now available. Many translations available and more coming.

When YouTube eventually censor this, you can find it on Bitchute.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ItGCVS...

Not affiliated with Trump, Q or any intel source other than what is publicly available here:
https://qproofs.com
https://qmap.pub/

Disclaimer: I am not making accusations of guilt towards anyone featured in this video. That is Huber's job, and if they have done crimes, they will be exposed - if not, they won't.

Many people have asked permission to share. Listen up: SHARE IT. I don't care if you credit it or not. Download it locally, mirror it, put it up on your own channel, whatever you want. It's not like I filmed all that footage.

Others have asked to donate. NO. We work only for freedom. There are people taking bullets for the republic, the least we can do is scramble whatever talents we have to ensure their sacrifices are not in vain.

Look on Twitter for these trusted patriots who know whats what:
@Jordan_Sather_
@prayingmedic
@LisaMei62
@CabalPunisher
@tracybeanz
@SGTreport
@LionelMedia
@IntheMatrixxx
@_ImperatorRex_
@StormIsUponUs (me)

They want you DIVIDED.
DIVIDED by RACE.
DIVIDED by RELIGION.
DIVIDED by CULTURE.
DIVIDED by POLITICAL AFFILIATION.

The want this because
DIVIDED YOU ARE WEAK.
TOGETHER YOU ARE STRONG.
YOU, THE PEOPLE, HAVE THE POWER.

It’s time to research for yourself.

Think for yourself.

Trust yourself.

You will find many things, among them an unprecedented number of sealed indictments filed in preparation for a mass arrest event.
See here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folder...

You will also discover an unprecedented list of corrupt CEOs who have recently been removed from their posts.
See these here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...

You will see the same in the Senate, and in Congress.
And you will see the same at the top of the FBI, and the Department of Justice.

This movement is not about one person or a group of people.
It is about WE THE PEOPLE.

The world is currently witnessing the largest mass treason event in living history. But instead of being fearful, we should be filled with hope. Instead of fighting among ourselves, we should recognize our only true enemy - the criminal Deep State, and their once invincible mainstream media apparatus.

Do you want to free yourself? It’s easy.

Follow Q… and TURN THEM OFF!

Google links do NOT work.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on November 29, 2018, 11:50:47 AM

You will find many things, among them an unprecedented number of sealed indictments filed in preparation for a mass arrest event.

See here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KPh2ASFggwF1XVnVpDB3mtwvwlH71om6

You will also discover an unprecedented list of corrupt CEOs who have recently been removed from their posts.
See these here:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B-95giwldeKgsd0nYiw_sEaSf4kGNLZgEIvEhL2mVAw/edit#gid=1299582458

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 01, 2018, 04:09:05 AM

What I'm seeing here is a LOT of people making LOTS of noise to 'defend' a President who seems to have appointed lots of flaking characters

Am I the only one questioning his judgement - let alone what he may be covering up ?

"“He was convicted of various things unrelated to us,” Mr. Trump said, adding, “He’s a weak person and what he’s trying to do is get a reduced sentence.”"

Hmm

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 02, 2018, 12:08:19 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 01, 2018, 04:09:05 AM

What I'm seeing here is a LOT of people making LOTS of noise to 'defend' a President
who seems to have appointed lots of flaking characters

Why don't you name somebody he appointed who is a flake?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 03, 2018, 01:06:27 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 02, 2018, 12:08:19 PM

Why don't you name somebody he appointed who is a flake?

We can start with all those convicted of criminal offences .... So far ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 03, 2018, 12:33:30 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 03, 2018, 01:06:27 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 02, 2018, 12:08:19 PM

Why don't you name somebody he appointed who is a flake?

We can start with all those convicted of criminal offences .... So far ..

You probably liked Bill Clinton who actually was impeached.

You also liked Hillary who was suspected in the murder of Vince Foster, for starters.

But why bother with real crimes when a bogus witch hunt is available?

https://scout.com/college/auburn/Board/104012/Contents/Clinton-Dead-Pool-List-112235358/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 03, 2018, 02:49:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 03, 2018, 12:33:30 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 03, 2018, 01:06:27 AM
Quote from: 2tallbill on December 02, 2018, 12:08:19 PM

Why don't you name somebody he appointed who is a flake?

We can start with all those convicted of criminal offences .... So far ..

You probably liked Bill Clinton who actually was impeached.

You also liked Hillary who was suspected in the murder of Vince Foster, for starters.

But why bother with real crimes when a bogus witch hunt is available?

https://scout.com/college/auburn/Board/104012/Contents/Clinton-Dead-Pool-List-112235358/

Two of the more prominent murders. Take your time in responding, Moldy.

3 – Vince Foster – Former white House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

4 – Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 03, 2018, 03:12:41 PM

What's important to understand about the Mueller "investigation". It's NOT an investigation, it's a COVER UP!!!

THE COVER-UP GOES WAY BEYOND HILLARY AND HER SERVER. IT'S ABOUT TEAM OBAMA & HILLARY TAKING BRIBES AND BEING BLACKMAILED BY PUTIN.

The cover-up isn't about Hillary and her "server." What this is actually all about is covering up that several high ranking people in the Obama administration went along with a massive bribery scheme to facilitate the Uranium One deal, and then Putin ruthlessly blackmailed them all into doing the Iran Deal.

And then somewhere in all the middle of that, starting in 2010, the CIA networks in Iran and China got completely rolled up. They couldn't stop that and they had to ruthlessly lie and do whatever it took to get the Iran Deal done because they were ALL compromised from the bribes.

So Obama's first term was comprised of fun raking in hundreds of millions of dollars in cool bribes coming from Russian & Uranium One affiliates to get that deal done. But in the 2nd Obama term, the bill came due.

This is why Obama & his team are morons. Not just evil, but morons. Once you take that bribe money, you are OWNED. You HAVE to do what you're told. You can't EVER have it come out that you took that money.

People chalking up the Iran Deal to "Obama being a Muslim" or "Valerie!"? WRONG. They were BRIBED to do the Uranium One deal, and once they took that money, the Russians and the Iranians OWNED THEM. Lock, stock and barrel.

THIS is why Obama, Kerry, Samantha Power, Hillary Clinton, ALL OF THEM were forced to spend 4 years telling one blatant obvious lie after another, hiding side deals from Congress, spying on members of Congress, WHATEVER IT TOOK to get the deal done.

NOTHING must stop the Deal. You think IDEOLOGY was driving that? Sheer SELF PRESERVATION was driving it. FEAR of what they did being exposed was driving it. And *STILL* drives it.

*THIS* is why Hillary Clinton had to absolutely MUST win that 2016 election. She's involved in it, she'll keep the lid on it.

Trump was an outsider. ANYBODY who ran against Hillary was an existential threat to these people. It didn't matter WHO ran against Hillary. WHOEVER it was who ran against Hillary HAD to lose to her. Or else the new administration coming in might learn what happened, and expose the bribes, expose the blackmail, all of it.

The Obama administration compromised itself to our enemies on levels that can't even be fathomed. And our enemies, Russia and Iran, took FULL ADVANTAGE of the compromises. THIS is what Trump & his team are trying to clean up and expose and prosecute.

So this goes WAAAAY BEYOND just covering up for some corrupt witch so she could run for President after she exposed classified info on a private server while doing lucrative pay for play deals.

H.J.Ansari Zarif’s senior advisor: “If Europeans stop trading with Iran and don’t put pressure on US then we will reveal which western politicians and how much money they had received during nuclear negotiations to make the Iran Nuclear Deal happen.”

-Brian Cates

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 03, 2018, 11:26:43 PM

(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47154815_1925937420795327_3524260982673113088_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=8eefa53df1b69d68dda0b09a04fc27f7&oe=5C6A41D2)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 04, 2018, 10:00:11 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 03, 2018, 01:06:27 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 02, 2018, 12:08:19 PM

Why don't you name somebody he appointed who is a flake?

We can start with all those convicted of criminal offences .... So far ..

Are any of the people he appointed are convicted of criminal offenses?
Nobody that I can think of, maybe you should have worded it differently.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 06, 2018, 11:32:09 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 04, 2018, 10:00:11 PM

Are any of the people he appointed are convicted of criminal offenses?
Nobody that I can think of, maybe you should have worded it differently.

Being obtuse doesn't suit you, Beel ..

Who appointed Manafort ? Shall we go through the list one by one ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 07, 2018, 09:42:54 AM

Quote from: msmoby on December 06, 2018, 11:32:09 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 04, 2018, 10:00:11 PM

Are any of the people he appointed are convicted of criminal offenses?
Nobody that I can think of, maybe you should have worded it differently.

Being obtuse doesn't suit you, Beel ..

Who appointed Manafort ? Shall we go through the list one by one ?

D. Trump appointed P. Manafort to guide him through the convention process. At the time he was NOT accused or convicted of any crimes.

P. Manafort accepted a plea deal from R. Mueller this year and has since withdrawn it. Moby please at least be a bit accurate if not honest.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 07, 2018, 09:49:10 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 04, 2018, 10:00:11 PM

Are any of the people he appointed are convicted of criminal offenses?
Nobody that I can think of, maybe you should have worded it differently.

That would've required honesty.

At this point, I am coming to the opinion that moby is using dishonesty as a trolling tool. He gets more attention when he is dishonest so he is turning up his natural tendencies in order that he might maximise the attention that he gets.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on December 07, 2018, 09:55:19 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 07, 2018, 09:49:10 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 04, 2018, 10:00:11 PM

Are any of the people he appointed are convicted of criminal offenses?
Nobody that I can think of, maybe you should have worded it differently.

That would've required honesty.

At this point, I am coming to the opinion that moby is using dishonesty as a trolling tool. He gets more attention when he is dishonest so he is turning up his natural tendencies in order that he might maximise the attention that he gets.

Why do any of you respond to him at all?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 07, 2018, 09:59:38 AM

Quote from: yankee on December 07, 2018, 09:55:19 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 07, 2018, 09:49:10 AM
Quote from: 2tallbill on December 04, 2018, 10:00:11 PM

Are any of the people he appointed are convicted of criminal offenses?
Nobody that I can think of, maybe you should have worded it differently.

That would've required honesty.

At this point, I am coming to the opinion that moby is using dishonesty as a trolling tool. He gets more attention when he is dishonest so he is turning up his natural tendencies in order that he might maximise the attention that he gets.

Why do any of you respond to him at all?

Confederate in different words asked the same question.

Sadly if one does not confront the dishonesty/fantasy of Moby he will infect every thread. He is the Everyready poster bunny.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on December 07, 2018, 12:33:47 PM

Trumps pick for the next AG, don't understand his choice, reasoning?

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/893574?ns_mail_uid=1218c308-1878-414f-8de8-ee9c9690ac7e&ns_mail_job=DM9952_12072018&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0105021c5bur&section=headline&keywords=trump-nominates-william-barr-attorney-general&year=2018&month=12&date=07&id=893574

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 07, 2018, 11:00:33 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 07, 2018, 09:42:54 AM

D. Trump appointed P. Manafort to guide him through the convention process. At the time he was NOT accused or convicted of any crimes.

P. Manafort accepted a plea deal from R. Mueller this year and has since withdrawn it. Moby please at least be a bit accurate if not honest.[/font][/size]

So, we can add AvhdB to the obtuse responders list :)

Lest their be any doubt - I was pointing out 'Trampu's' lousy choices of character.

Aren't Americans in the least bit worried that their leaders seems to have chosen a lot of well-dodgy characters ?

Is that poor judgement or a preference, I wonder ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 07, 2018, 11:03:18 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 07, 2018, 09:59:38 AM

Confederate in different words asked the same question.

Sadly if one does not confront the dishonesty/fantasy of Moby he will infect every thread. He is the Everyready poster bunny. [/font][/size]

I'm more of a Duracell and you'll excuse me if I keep asking but please tell me where I'm being / have been 'dishonest' ?

You keep dodging this question.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 08, 2018, 05:14:06 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2018, 12:33:47 PM

Trumps pick for the next AG, don't understand his choice, reasoning?

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/893574?ns_mail_uid=1218c308-1878-414f-8de8-ee9c9690ac7e&ns_mail_job=DM9952_12072018&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0105021c5bur&section=headline&keywords=trump-nominates-william-barr-attorney-general&year=2018&month=12&date=07&id=893574

Barr is a "clean" guy who has been confirmed as AG before. He's also a staunch conservative and an immigration hard-liner.

Also, Trump relies heavily on the Federalist Society for advice w/r/t judges and justices - they fill the role in his administration (as in GWB's administration) formerly filled by the ABA, before the ABA got all political in the early 90s. Barr is tight with Federalist Society EVP (i.e. the shot caller) Leonard Leo, so no doubt Len whispered in Trump's ear. Len was a pretty straight shooter back in the early 90s when I knew him, but he and I were only acquaintences then.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on December 08, 2018, 05:46:20 AM

Quote from: yankee on December 07, 2018, 09:55:19 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 07, 2018, 09:49:10 AM
Quote from: 2tallbill on December 04, 2018, 10:00:11 PM

Are any of the people he appointed are convicted of criminal offenses?
Nobody that I can think of, maybe you should have worded it differently.

That would've required honesty.

At this point, I am coming to the opinion that moby is using dishonesty as a trolling tool. He gets more attention when he is dishonest so he is turning up his natural tendencies in order that he might maximise the attention that he gets.

Why do any of you respond to him at all?

I agree that we probably should simply ignore the fool but Av made a great point. Moby has continually demonstrated his willingness to lie, provoke and post a barrage of nonsense that if gone unchallenged, some poor sods might actually take his crap at full value. If he had free reign scattering his Brexit depression or anti Russian views on RUA, we'd all be as well reading that disgraceful lefty propaganda rag that is the Guardian.

I'm going to do my best to ignore his trolling but its hard to watch people defecate all over the forum unchallenged. Ideally we can open his eyes through debate but worst case scenario, the silent voyeur see's Moby for who he is.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 08, 2018, 06:53:12 AM

Quote from: rosco on December 08, 2018, 05:46:20 AM

Moby has continually demonstrated his willingness to lie, provoke and post a barrage of nonsense that if gone unchallenged, some poor sods might actually take his crap at full value. If he had free reign scattering his Brexit depression or anti Russian views on RUA, we'd all be as well reading that disgraceful lefty propaganda rag that is the Guardian.

Roco is being disingenuous - and repeating fibs - he cannot find a fib - other than my forgetting his calling me - being loads of people called for the same advice

1/ The do not only read the Guardian and suggesting a socialist bias - as explained to at length - given my background and distrust of Labour policy on N.Ireland - you really ought to have 'got it'...

2/ 'anti-Russian'? Here I am sat with three of them awaiting three more of 'em for 'shaslik' and you STILL write such bollox ? I'll be the only non Russian

3/ 'Brexit' depression ..? I'm over-joyed to note the fall-out and Mrs May's 'compromise' plan being pilloried from all sides - ALL as predicted

We both know that if the people got a chance to vote on any deal - that 'Brexit' would be a thing of the past - an expensive dalliance.

Quote from: rosco on December 08, 2018, 05:46:20 AM

I'm going to do my best to ignore his trolling but its hard to watch people defecate all over the forum unchallenged. Ideally we can open his eyes through debate but worst case scenario, the silent voyeur see's Moby for who he is.

'Trolling' ?!

We - that is the Russians I 'hate' [ :chuckle: ] and I have witnessed utter bollox written about us and it has been deservedly mocked

I'm grateful for the calls from the silent voyeurs who indeed see Moby for who he is ;)

Title: Re: President Trump- an andrewfi veracity issue or two
Post by: msmoby on December 08, 2018, 06:55:23 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 07, 2018, 09:49:10 AM

That would've required honesty.

At this point, I am coming to the opinion that moby is using dishonesty as a trolling tool. He gets more attention when he is dishonest so he is turning up his natural tendencies in order that he might maximise the attention that he gets.

Mr pot is still unaware of his own blackness - making up stuff about folks lives - rather than dealing with his ill-researched howlers

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Guile on December 08, 2018, 08:45:49 AM

seeing as Moby keeps calling Trump "Trampu" I'll start calling him "Marku"... or is it "marcrausha" as the Russians love their endings

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 08, 2018, 12:03:08 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 08, 2018, 05:14:06 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2018, 12:33:47 PM
Trumps pick for the next AG, don't understand his choice, reasoning?

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/893574?ns_mail_uid=1218c308-1878-414f-8de8-ee9c9690ac7e&ns_mail_job=DM9952_12072018&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0105021c5bur&section=headline&keywords=trump-nominates-william-barr-attorney-general&year=2018&month=12&date=07&id=893574

Barr is a "clean" guy who has been confirmed as AG before. He's also a staunch conservative and an immigration hard-liner.

Also, Trump relies heavily on the Federalist Society for advice w/r/t judges and justices - they fill the role in his administration (as in GWB's administration) formerly filled by the ABA, before the ABA got all political in the early 90s. Barr is tight with Federalist Society EVP (i.e. the shot caller) Leonard Leo, so no doubt Len whispered in Trump's ear. Len was a pretty straight shooter back in the early 90s when I knew him, but he and I were only acquaintences then.

B/B

He also has said that an investigation into Hillary Clinton’s abuse of her position as SoS and her charity should be opened.

As a Trump supporter I applaud anyone who is an immigration hard-liner.

Will it be possible for the Democrats to derail this nomination?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 08, 2018, 12:56:11 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 08, 2018, 12:03:08 PM

Quote from: B.B. on December 08, 2018, 05:14:06 AM
Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2018, 12:33:47 PM
Trumps pick for the next AG, don't understand his choice, reasoning?

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/893574?ns_mail_uid=1218c308-1878-414f-8de8-ee9c9690ac7e&ns_mail_job=DM9952_12072018&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0105021c5bur&section=headline&keywords=trump-nominates-william-barr-attorney-general&year=2018&month=12&date=07&id=893574

Barr is a "clean" guy who has been confirmed as AG before. He's also a staunch conservative and an immigration hard-liner.

Also, Trump relies heavily on the Federalist Society for advice w/r/t judges and justices - they fill the role in his administration (as in GWB's administration) formerly filled by the ABA, before the ABA got all political in the early 90s. Barr is tight with Federalist Society EVP (i.e. the shot caller) Leonard Leo, so no doubt Len whispered in Trump's ear. Len was a pretty straight shooter back in the early 90s when I knew him, but he and I were only acquaintences then.

B/B

He also has said that an investigation into Hillary Clinton’s abuse of her position as SoS and her charity should be opened.

As a Trump supporter I applaud anyone who is an immigration hard-liner.

Will it be possible for the Democrats to derail this nomination?

No. Flake might hold it up, but I think they would all prefer Barr to Whitaker. I think Mitch shoul strip Flake of his committee assignments for being an asshat.

The Dems could filibuster, but I doubt Mitch will be having any of that.

B/B

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 08, 2018, 03:54:24 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 06, 2018, 11:32:09 AM

Being obtuse doesn't suit you, Beel ..

Who appointed Manafort ? Shall we go through the list one by one ?

Presidential appointments means something other than you think it does. You can
look it up in the US Constitution Article Two, Section Two and read about it if you
wish.

Appointments doesn't mean who he played sandlot baseball with when it was his turn
to choose up sides. It doesn't mean people he hired to help him get elected nor advisers
that he hired to help get out the vote.

Manafort was a campaign chairman, and as such wasn't appointed that's
why I asked you if that was exactly what you meant or if it was worded
correctly. Manafort was found guilty of things he did a decade ago.

Cohen was his lawyer/fixer for dealing with sleazy politicians and real estate
deals. George Papadopoulos was supposedly an adviser and he got caught
in a perjury trap. He got 14 days of prison.

How about 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence
service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading
Democrats’ emails in 2016. These are imaginary boogeymen that Mueller indicted
with no evidence because he knew they would never go to trial. Do you want to
argue that Trump appoints GRU boogeymen?

None of the men that Trump appointed were indicted by Mueller.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 09, 2018, 01:40:19 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 08, 2018, 03:54:24 PM

Presidential appointments means something other than you think it does.

More of the obfuscation ... Manafort was appointed BEFORE 'Trampu' was President ..

It certainly looks like Mueller's enquiries are getting closer to the guy you still think is wearing clothes

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 09, 2018, 03:33:27 AM

Just for you......

(http://www.kalami.us/2017/gifs17/trump-naked-emperor1.jpg)

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 09, 2018, 06:28:38 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 07, 2018, 09:42:54 AM

Quote from: msmoby on December 06, 2018, 11:32:09 AM
Quote from: 2tallbill on December 04, 2018, 10:00:11 PM

Are any of the people he appointed are convicted of criminal offenses?
Nobody that I can think of, maybe you should have worded it differently.

Being obtuse doesn't suit you, Beel ..

Who appointed Manafort ? Shall we go through the list one by one ?

D. Trump appointed P. Manafort to guide him through the convention process. At the time he was NOT accused or convicted of any crimes.

P. Manafort accepted a plea deal from R. Mueller this year and has since withdrawn it. Moby please at least be a bit accurate if not honest.

Moby, being stupid and lying doesn't suit anyone; you most of all. It has been pointed out the reality of Manafort and yet you persist. Please give it a rest. As Wiz notes you are beginning to sound like a broken record.

Title: Re: President Trump - it's all unravelling
Post by: msmoby on December 09, 2018, 09:00:35 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 09, 2018, 06:28:38 AM

Moby, being stupid and lying doesn't suit anyone; you most of all.

Except I'm not lying and you - of all people - should stop claiming such when you simply run from proving any 'fib' ....

Quote from: AvHdB on December 09, 2018, 06:28:38 AM

It has been pointed out the reality of Manafort and yet you persist.

Sighs - Who appointed Manafort to the campaign manager ?

Is is well dodgy ?

Could this mean something is making poor choices ?

How many Presidential appointees have gone? ... it's a veritable revolving door

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39826934 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39826934)

So, no I won't be 'giving it a rest .... '

Clearly the emperor with no clothes is either a lousy 'chooser' or he manages to seriously p folks off ....

Title: Words mean things
Post by: 2tallbill on December 09, 2018, 10:27:21 AM

Quote from: msmoby on December 09, 2018, 01:40:19 AM

More of the obfuscation ... Manafort was appointed BEFORE 'Trampu' was President ..

It certainly looks like Mueller's enquiries are getting closer to the guy you still think is wearing clothes

No, it's not obfuscation it's quite the opposite. You are trying to change the meaning
of words and phrases and the timeline. You can't say a president did something when
you meant that a person did it before he was president without acknowledging the
change in timeline from your first comment to the changed comment.

A presidential appointment is a presidential appointment. They are confirmed by the
Senate, so you don't know what you are talking about. Manafort was a campaign guy
not an official. You used the wrong words and I tried to help you, but now you are
doubling down on your errors.

If you would have said "Lookie here Trumpy hired dipsh!ts in his campaign" I wouldn't
have argued with you, but you said................

Quote from: msmoby on December 01, 2018, 04:09:05 AM

What I'm seeing here is a LOT of people making LOTS of noise to 'defend' a President who seems to have appointed lots of flaking characters

Words mean things, appointments mean things and it's covered under our constitution.
You don't get to change the meanings of words to suit your purposes.

Maybe you will tell us you have several US constitutional lawyers sitting with you right
now telling you otherwise? Maybe you have periodic Skype video conferences with a
number of the Supreme's? You can use google search terms

'US constitution appointments clause' and realize you used the wrong words

You wrote something incorrect, but rather than admit, "Whoops, Beel I wrote
appointed rather than hired" or "I wrote President when it was before then"
we would have nothing to argue about. Trump hired some goofballs in his campaign
for sure, but he didn't appoint any as far as I can see (as yet).

Title: Re: Words mean things
Post by: Contrarian on December 09, 2018, 10:43:32 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 09, 2018, 10:27:21 AM

Quote from: msmoby on December 09, 2018, 01:40:19 AM

More of the obfuscation ... Manafort was appointed BEFORE 'Trampu' was President ..

It certainly looks like Mueller's enquiries are getting closer to the guy you still think is wearing clothes

No, it's not obfuscation it's quite the opposite. You are trying to change the meaning
of words and phrases.

A presidential appointment is a presidential appointment. They are confirmed by the
Senate, so you don't know what you are talking about. Manafort was a campaign guy
not an official. You used the wrong words and I tried to help you, but now you are
doubling down on your errors.

If you would have said "Lookie here Trumpy hired dipsh!ts in his campaign" I wouldn't
have argued with you, but you said................

Quote from: msmoby on December 01, 2018, 04:09:05 AM
What I'm seeing here is a LOT of people making LOTS of noise to 'defend' a President who seems to have appointed lots of flaking characters

Words mean things, appointments mean things and it's covered under our constitution.
You don't get to change the meanings of words to suit your purposes.

Do you have several US constitutional lawyers sitting with you right now telling
you otherwise? Maybe you have periodic Skype video conferences with a number
of the Supreme's? You can use google search terms
'US constitution appointments clause' and realize you used the wrong words

You wrote something incorrect, but rather than admit, "Whoops, Beel I wrote
appointed rather than hired" then we would have nothing to argue about. Trump
hired some goofballs in his campaign for sure, but he didn't appoint any as far as
I can see (so far).

You’re trying to have an honest discussion with a “SJW”.

The UK had a vote for Brexit, Moldy is not happy with the result so he tries to deny what happened.

Same goes for the US election, he’s a chronic fibber and hates reality.

Were he to go thru a red light and cause an accident he’d claim it was green.

Rosco is 100% right about the guy. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 09, 2018, 10:45:56 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 07, 2018, 09:42:54 AM

D. Trump appointed P. Manafort to guide him through the convention process. At the time he was NOT accused or convicted of any crimes.

P. Manafort accepted a plea deal from R. Mueller this year and has since withdrawn it. Moby please at least be a bit accurate if not honest.[/font][/size]

Manafort wasn't appointed to anything, he was hired to do something. When the president
appoints people its a process that includes the US Senate, the words aren't interchangeable.

Title: Words mean things and Beel isn't reading...
Post by: msmoby on December 09, 2018, 11:41:14 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 09, 2018, 10:27:21 AM

[

Words mean things, appointments mean things and it's covered under our constitution.
You don't get to change the meanings of words to suit your purposes.

I'll reserve THAT as your preserve - given *I* didn't add 'Presidential' as a criteria - re 'unwise appointments' ... please check, Beel :coffeeread:

I hope the penny is dropping, now ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 09, 2018, 03:37:12 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 09, 2018, 10:45:56 AM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 07, 2018, 09:42:54 AM
D. Trump appointed P. Manafort to guide him through the convention process. At the time he was NOT accused or convicted of any crimes.

P. Manafort accepted a plea deal from R. Mueller this year and has since withdrawn it. Moby please at least be a bit accurate if not honest.[/font][/size]

Manafort wasn't appointed to anything, he was hired to do something. When the president
appoints people its a process that includes the US Senate, the words aren't interchangeable.

You are correct I can see how appointed can be seen in multiple ways.

Moby is lying, again, trying to include P. Manafort in the process of government officials.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 09, 2018, 03:53:00 PM

While on this forum moby claims to be against Britain leaving the EU I'd be surprised if he was not, in other groups taking the opposite position.

He is not a man of convictions, at least not this kind of conviction.

Title: Andrewfi - making MORE stuff up ..
Post by: msmoby on December 09, 2018, 07:32:58 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 09, 2018, 03:53:00 PM

While on this forum moby claims to be against Britain leaving the EU I'd be surprised if he was not, in other groups taking the opposite position.

He is not a man of convictions, at least not this kind of conviction.

:ROFL:

Those members of other forms must be rolling laughing around as much as I am ...

You've been having a bad run these last few weeks on the veracity front as to your 'estimations of Moby's life off board', andrewfi

1/ 'randow friends' in photos

2/ 'not' been in biz with who I said I was ;)

3/ 'Not' had clients / I said I had - who've become more 'famous' politically by their resigning and 'not yet' getting the 48 members needed to try to remove Mrs May ..

My conviction is that andrewfi makes stuff up

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 09, 2018, 07:39:11 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 09, 2018, 03:37:12 PM

Moby is lying, again, trying to include P. Manafort in the process of government officials.[/font][/size]

Where did I claim or suggest Manafort was a 'Presidential' appointee - given he was appointed as the Trump campaign manager? :chuckle: ( Yes, dear AvHdB - that's BEFORE a minority of Americans elected him )

Jeez, you Trampu' fans will do and say anything to deflect from his seriously poor judge of character

:popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 12, 2018, 08:52:11 AM

Quote from: msmoby on December 09, 2018, 07:39:11 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 09, 2018, 03:37:12 PM

Moby is lying, again, trying to include P. Manafort in the process of government officials.[/font][/size]

Where did I claim or suggest Manafort was a 'Presidential' appointee - given he was appointed as the Trump campaign manager? :chuckle: ( Yes, dear AvHdB - that's BEFORE a minority of Americans elected him )

Jeez, you Trampu' fans will do and say anything to deflect from his seriously poor judge of character

:popcorn:

Quote from: msmoby on December 06, 2018, 11:32:09 AM

Being obtuse doesn't suit you, Beel ..

Who appointed Manafort ? Shall we go through the list one by one ?

Being stupid does not suit you Moby.

Why not study the reasons The United States has an electoral college and get back to us.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on December 12, 2018, 11:42:59 AM

moby, you are projecting.Projecting is a mental process whereby one attributes to others actions or behaviours that are actually true for oneself. Partly, this is a part of the idea that if one only has a hammer then every problem s fixed with a hammer. You think that everybody is like you and, because you are dishonest you think everyone is like you - because that makes your behaviour OK, right?

So, this projection thing is misleading you, confusing you. For example, in the example you gave of me making stuff up - something that you do a lot - you were projecting your own traits on to me. How can we see this might be true? In the example you gave, a normal reading of my words clearly does not say that you were doing something. I was not making anything up. I was suggesting a possibility, I do not know you or your real and fantasy worlds well enough to make claims about what you actually do, except in some very limited cases. Because I know that you are dishonest and because you troll people for sport, I suggested that you might behave in a particular way that fitted with that which we do know about you. If I wrote something like 'on other forums moby takes a pro-EU line' then I would be making stuff up because those words are a statement of fact and I have no way to know that they are true.

Given that I am relatively honest, I could not state as fact something I did not know to be fact but I suggested the possibility that you act in a particular way.

See the difference? See how one option is clear, not making stuff up and is an honest interpretation of the facts that we do know. Your suggestion is, on the other hand, untrue and a lie.

Projection leads to confusion, you get confused when you do it. Stick to honesty, that leads to a reassuring and less stressful consistency.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 12, 2018, 12:06:56 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 12, 2018, 08:52:11 AM

Being stupid does not suit you Moby.

Quite . like my lies' [ :chuckle: ] ...I'm not being the obtuse, either

Quote from: AvHdB on December 12, 2018, 08:52:11 AM

Why not study the reasons The United States has an electoral college and get back to us.[/font][/size]

Why try try to 'defend' Beel - as it is clear that I was referring to Trump appointees in general ?

IF 'we' can make that 'jump' - 'we' can deal with the nasty correlation of dodgy characters he's chosen and the constantly 'revolving door' of appointees, in general

As to the EC system - thanks - but was my point about winning less public votes inaccurate ?

Now, IF you'd have said - the UK's political system is a mess - I'd agree ...;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 12, 2018, 12:09:52 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 12, 2018, 11:42:59 AM

moby, you are projecting.

Yet another, andrewfi pastime he cannot see in himself

Forgive the poor chap .. he's been demonstrably posting particularly daft on issues he knows nothing about ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 12, 2018, 12:42:52 PM

:offtopic:

Quote from: msmoby on December 12, 2018, 12:09:52 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 12, 2018, 11:42:59 AM
moby, you are projecting.
Yet another, andrewfi pastime he cannot see in himself
Forgive the poor chap .. he's been demonstrably posting particularly daft on issues he knows nothing about ..

(http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/ontopic.jpg)

How to Resist Trump's Shock Doctrine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTcELLklap4

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2018, 01:51:00 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 12, 2018, 12:09:52 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on December 12, 2018, 11:42:59 AM
moby, you are projecting.

Yet another, andrewfi pastime he cannot see in himself

Forgive the poor chap .. he's been demonstrably posting particularly daft on issues he knows nothing about ..

OFF TOPIC garbage from moby

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 12, 2018, 02:04:18 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 12, 2018, 01:50:08 PM

Your GARBAGE is OFF TOPIC moby. Are there any moderators left on this forum?

It seems there are some moderators MIA. Manny is trying to keep the ship on course, it would behove the posters to try to stay on topic.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 12, 2018, 02:11:22 PM

Chatting about members personal lives is hardly 'on topic' ... ;)

So, let's get back on topic ... Cohen's got a jail sentence and now 'Trampu's' lack of judgement is even more exposed

"Another message from the fate of the two Trump associates is that Mr Trump's business dealings, not Russian election meddling, could present a greater legal threat to the president. According to Mr Cohen's lawyer, his client had the "misfortune" of being the president's personal lawyer, business partner and all-around fixer for more than a decade. When investigators began digging into his actions, they uncovered a variety of chargeable crimes.

By all accounts, Mr Trump's larger business empire is getting similar scrutiny. His long-time accountant is co-operating with investigators."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46546238 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46546238)

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 13, 2018, 09:40:55 AM

Quote from: msmoby on December 09, 2018, 07:39:11 PM

( Yes, dear AvHdB - that's BEFORE a minority of Americans elected him )

How many UK voters elected for your prime minister, 200 voters? Hillary
collected a minority of the votes as well (48.5% of them)

63 million American voters voted for Trump he won 306 electoral
votes to Hillary's 232 that's a majority. 538 electoral votes over
269 electoral votes represents a majority.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 13, 2018, 10:07:32 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 13, 2018, 09:40:55 AM

How many UK voters elected for your prime minister, 200 voters? Hillary
collected a minority of the votes as well (48.5% of them)

Ah, so you've quit with the 'appointee obfuscation and just ignoring my point, now ;) ?
No matter let's deal with this diversion ...

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 13, 2018, 09:40:55 AM

63 million American voters voted for Trump he won 306 electoral
votes to Hillary's 232 that's a majority. 538 electoral votes over
269 electoral votes represents a majority.

Hilary got nearly 3 million more votes ... sounds a REAL 'fair' system ;)

As I keep saying - most of the UK has an unfair system, too ... where folks were getting killed over politics - a system of Proportional Representation was introduced ....

Any chance of going back to 'Trampu's' 'unfortunate choices of appointees correlation ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on December 13, 2018, 12:01:45 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 12, 2018, 02:04:18 PM

It seems there are some moderators MIA. Manny is trying to keep the ship on course, it would behove the posters to try to stay on topic.[/font][/size]

Some? (:)

Title: Words mean things and Beel is reading...
Post by: 2tallbill on December 13, 2018, 05:45:17 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 09, 2018, 11:41:14 AM

I'll reserve THAT as your preserve - given *I* didn't add 'Presidential' as a criteria - re 'unwise appointments' ... please check, Beel :coffeeread:

I hope the penny is dropping, now ;)

Quote from: msmoby on December 01, 2018, 04:09:05 AM

What I'm seeing here is a LOT of people making LOTS of noise to 'defend' a President who seems to have appointed lots of flaking characters

You quite clearly did, go ahead and read your own quote and try to find the word
President and then try to find the word appoint. I underlined your quote to make
it easier to find.

If you used the words Candidate Trump and hired, then you wouldn't
be on such shaky ground, but you did. If you want to clarify that you meant
candidate Trump and hired then there isn't anything to argue about.

Title: Re: Words mean things and Beel is reading...
Post by: msmoby on December 13, 2018, 11:22:52 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 13, 2018, 05:45:17 PM

Quoting Moby:

Quote from: msmoby on December 01, 2018, 04:09:05 AM
What I'm seeing here is a LOT of people making LOTS of noise to 'defend' a President who seems to have appointed lots of flaking characters

You quite clearly did, go ahead and read your own quote and try to find the word
President and then try to find the word appoint. I underlined your quote to make
it easier to find.

If you used the words Candidate Trump and hired, then you wouldn't
be on such shaky ground, but you did. If you want to clarify that you meant
candidate Trump and hired then there isn't anything to argue about.

OK, Beel - nearly five pages later and LOTS of obfuscation - we have your 'objection'

Please check the net / newspapers / tv / radio news re referrals to 'Mr Trampu' in relation to his past 'exploits' - prior to becoming President

Can we now - finally !- deal with the correlations and revolving doors ?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on December 14, 2018, 04:17:15 PM

Thank God Trump is so good for the economy. Can you imagine where the stock market would be if the economy were bad?

Title: Re: Words mean things and Beel is reading...
Post by: 2tallbill on December 14, 2018, 04:49:29 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 13, 2018, 11:22:52 PM

OK, Beel - nearly five pages later and LOTS of obfuscation - we have your 'objection'

Moby, everyone here knows what I was talking about 4 pages ago. So are you saying
you meant to say candidate Trump hired some nitwits? If so, I don't disagree.

Quote from: msmoby on December 13, 2018, 11:22:52 PM

Please check the net / newspapers / tv / radio news re referrals to 'Mr Trampu' in relation to his past 'exploits' - prior to becoming President

Most everyone knew Trump was a bit squirrely before he announced that he wanted
to run for president. EVERYBODY knew that he was a playboy before becoming
president.

Quote from: msmoby on December 13, 2018, 11:22:52 PM

Please check the net / newspapers / tv / radio news re referrals to 'Mr Trampu' in relation to his past 'exploits' - prior to becoming President

Can we now - finally !- deal with the correlations and revolving doors ?

Maybe you need to spell out exactly what you are talking about.

Title: Re: Words mean things and Beel is reading...
Post by: Markje on December 14, 2018, 06:38:52 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 13, 2018, 11:22:52 PM

OK, Beel - nearly five pages later and LOTS of obfuscation - we have your 'objection'

So (almost) everyone caught on what was said 5 pages ago, and now finally you have caught on.

And still not man enough to say: Sorry bill and others, you guys were right, that specific wording by a specific job have a specific meaning and newspapers abusing them are being obtuse and i shouldn't note that as 'true'.

Title: Re: Words mean things and Beel is reading...
Post by: Wiz on December 14, 2018, 09:23:12 PM

Quote from: Markje on December 14, 2018, 06:38:52 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 13, 2018, 11:22:52 PM
OK, Beel - nearly five pages later and LOTS of obfuscation - we have your 'objection'
So (almost) everyone caught on what was said 5 pages ago, and now finally you have caught on.

And still not man enough to say: Sorry Bill and others, you guys were right, that specific wording by a specific job have a specific meaning and newspapers abusing them are being obtuse and i shouldn't note that as 'true'.

Mark and Bill

After so many years on the boards.... you should both know that MOBY don't have and use in his vocabulary the words....... Sorry and Thank you.

:sick0012: :censored: :censored:

Title: Re: Words mean things and Beel is reading...
Post by: msmoby on December 14, 2018, 11:41:21 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 14, 2018, 04:49:29 PM

So are you saying
you meant to say candidate Trump hired some nitwits? If so, I don't disagree.

I said President 'Trampu' - as in he President now ( although he doesn't act like one ) - but THANKS - after all these pages - we got there ;)

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 14, 2018, 04:49:29 PM

Most everyone knew Trump was a bit squirrely before he announced that he wanted
to run for president. EVERYBODY knew that he was a playboy before becoming
president.

'Playboy' or dodgy ?

Quote from: msmoby on December 13, 2018, 11:22:52 PM

Can we now - finally !- deal with the correlations and revolving doors ?

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 14, 2018, 04:49:29 PM

Maybe you need to spell out exactly what you are talking about.

OMG, back to the obfuscation mode...

Don't worry, I've got this bone and not letting go ! ..

I'm referring to his appointees - pre- and post 'election' - 'resigning' or being found to be criminals ... who are involving 'Trampu' ...

Title: Re: Words mean things and Beel isn't reading...
Post by: msmoby on December 14, 2018, 11:48:14 PM

Quote from: Wiz on December 14, 2018, 09:23:12 PM

After so many years on the boards.... you should both know that MOBY don't have and use in his vocabulary the words....... Sorry and Thank you

Wiz,

I pretty safe in assuming you just can't help yourself as Beel has 'nearly' conceded that we refer to sitting Presidents as 'President' and their actions before ... "'President Trump's staff - and may be even President 'Trampu'- are being investigated for possible Kremlin involvement in what happened during his election ....

English Grammar lesson 101 endeth

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on December 17, 2018, 08:31:21 AM

Quote from: yankee on December 14, 2018, 04:17:15 PM

Thank God Trump is so good for the economy. Can you imagine where the stock market would be if the economy were bad?

Dow falls nearly 300 points, extending worst start to December since 1980

Title: Words mean things and Beel isn't reading...
Post by: 2tallbill on December 17, 2018, 02:09:53 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 14, 2018, 11:48:14 PM

I pretty safe in assuming you just can't help yourself as Beel has 'nearly' conceded that we refer to sitting Presidents as 'President' and their actions before ... "'President Trump's staff - and may be even President 'Trampu'- are being investigated for possible Kremlin involvement in what happened during his election ....

English Grammar lesson 101 endeth

NO we totally disagree. Your one track mind isn't able to see anything except
what you wish to see. A sitting president makes appointments and a candidate
for president does NOT. NONE of the appointments Trump are being investigated
for anything.

Trumps fixer lawyer broke laws totally unrelated to Trump or Russia.

Trumps campaign manager broke laws a decade ago.

Everyone else was attacked because they worked for Trump and were process
crimes. In other words they committed NO crimes before the investigation started.
The investigation trumped up the crimes.

If you can't or won't understand what I write then debate with somebody else. I
don't have time to keep doing this.

Title: Re: Words mean things and Beel isn't reading...
Post by: Wiz on December 17, 2018, 05:11:08 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 14, 2018, 11:48:14 PM

Quote from: Wiz on December 14, 2018, 09:23:12 PM

After so many years on the boards.... you should both know that MOBY don't have and use in his vocabulary the words....... Sorry and Thank you

Wiz,

I pretty safe in assuming you just can't help yourself as Beel has 'nearly' conceded that we refer to sitting Presidents as 'President' and their actions before ... "'President Trump's staff - and may be even President 'Trampu'- are being investigated for possible Kremlin involvement in what happened during his election ....

English Grammar lesson 101 endeth

Noby

According to your statement above, It took you 5 pages of postings to finally communicate with 2tallbilll, where if you search and find my first post about Trump you will find I have called him, the Mafia Representative President and I continue ever since to use the same name......

You are too slow to catch up with an old boy, like me.....eh Paddy?

:fighting0025:

Title: Re: Words mean things and Beel STILL isn't reading...
Post by: msmoby on December 18, 2018, 12:38:48 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 17, 2018, 02:09:53 PM

A sitting president makes appointments and a candidate
for president does NOT. NONE of the appointments Trump are being investigated
for anything.

Beel, you just just grammatical convention and turned it on it's head to deflect - once more

Example: When President 'O'Bama' was president did we refer to actions he did before becoming president minus the preceding proper noun President? NO....

So, quit with the attempted BS semantics and DEAL with the facts..... President 'Trampu' has appointed some dodgy characters that turned out to be criminals

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 17, 2018, 02:09:53 PM

Trumps fixer lawyer broke laws totally unrelated to Trump or Russia.

NOT want is being reported or probably investigated

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 17, 2018, 02:09:53 PM

Trumps campaign manager broke laws a decade ago.

Quite and was still breaking them .... thanks for demonstrating my point re the second dodgy character employed by 'Trampu'

The question is - if you and I knew this 'record' - why did 'Trampu' choose him ?

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 17, 2018, 02:09:53 PM

Everyone else was attacked because they worked for Trump and were process
crimes. In other words they committed NO crimes before the investigation started.
The investigation trumped up the crimes.

We haven't heard the outcome of all those accused after investigations and their subsequent trials , yet - but surely - even you - can admit it's looking that 'Trampu' is either

1/ A crap judge of character
2/ He is dodgy
3/ People keep resigning because they cannot work with him

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 17, 2018, 02:09:53 PM

If you can't or won't understand what I write then debate with somebody else. I
don't have time to keep doing this.

Fine, time will show one of us was as bad a judge of character - of that we can be sure

Title: Re: Words mean things and Beel isn't reading...
Post by: msmoby on December 18, 2018, 12:43:13 AM

Quote from: Wiz on December 17, 2018, 05:11:08 PM

According to your statement above, It took you 5 pages of postings to finally communicate with 2tallbilll, where if you search and find my first post about Trump you will find I have called him, the Mafia Representative President and I continue ever since to use the same name......

No. Wiz, 5 pages later and Beel is still suggesting 'Trampu' hasn't appointed dodgy characters - either before or during his Presidency

Quote from: Wiz on December 17, 2018, 05:11:08 PM

You are too slow to catch up with an old boy, like me.....eh Paddy?

I'm not sure 'Mafia' is the correct terminology - given 'Trampu's' style has been more to stiff creditors - mainly banks

Then I'm quite certain Patrick is not one of my given names, either ...

Poor 'ol Wiz

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 19, 2018, 11:22:59 AM

Come on lefty's tell me why Trump is an idiot for pulling troops out of Syria.
Tell me why he should keep American troops there forever more.

U.S. to withdraw troops in Syria,
Trump declares victory over ISIS
https://kdvr.com/2018/12/19/u-s-to-withdraw-troops-in-syria-trump-declares-victory-over-isis/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 19, 2018, 11:53:51 AM

Quote from: B.B. on December 08, 2018, 05:14:06 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on December 07, 2018, 12:33:47 PM
Trumps pick for the next AG, don't understand his choice, reasoning?

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/893574?ns_mail_uid=1218c308-1878-414f-8de8-ee9c9690ac7e&ns_mail_job=DM9952_12072018&s=acs&dkt_nbr=0105021c5bur&section=headline&keywords=trump-nominates-william-barr-attorney-general&year=2018&month=12&date=07&id=893574

Barr is a "clean" guy who has been confirmed as AG before. He's also a staunch conservative and an immigration hard-liner.

Also, Trump relies heavily on the Federalist Society for advice w/r/t judges and justices - they fill the role in his administration (as in GWB's administration) formerly filled by the ABA, before the ABA got all political in the early 90s. Barr is tight with Federalist Society EVP (i.e. the shot caller) Leonard Leo, so no doubt Len whispered in Trump's ear. Len was a pretty straight shooter back in the early 90s when I knew him, but he and I were only acquaintances then.

B/B

Barr is a "clean" guy? :laugh: I make no other comment other than noticing you put quotation marks around clean.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/ciabushiran-contra-covert-operative-fixer-william-barr-nominated-attorney-general/5662609?fbclid=IwAR0YBDrKxj5Po825D2H8rtiFyw5UmC4Pc-EBAqhi1a_XLGbmZ53lslBo23Y

Draining the Swamp? I don't think so...

Barr, however, is a particularly spectacular and sordid case. As George H.W. Bush’s most notorious insider, and as the AG from 1991 to 1993, Barr wreaked havoc, flaunted the rule of law, and proved himself to be one of the CIA/Deep State’s greatest and most ruthless champions and protectors:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 19, 2018, 12:03:56 PM

Quote from: msmoldy brain on December 18, 2018, 12:43:13 AM

Quote from: Wiz on December 17, 2018, 05:11:08 PM

According to your statement above, It took you 5 pages of postings to finally communicate with 2tallbilll, where if you search and find my first post about Trump you will find I have called him, the Mafia Representative President and I continue ever since to use the same name......

No. Wiz, 5 pages later and Beel is still suggesting 'Trampu' hasn't appointed dodgy characters - either before or during his Presidency

Quote from: Wiz on December 17, 2018, 05:11:08 PM
You are too slow to catch up with an old boy, like me.....eh Paddy?

I'm not sure 'Mafia' is the correct terminology - given 'Trampu's' style has been more to stiff creditors - mainly banks

George Bush Jr. caused the financial crisis of 2009. Wall Street crooks were bailed out by US taxpayer money.

Instead of being hung for treason or serving life in prison, they gave themselves Million dollar bonuses.

That was all approved by Bush Jr. AvHdB can probably tell us more precisely how much money that fiasco cost the American people.

The American public are the ultimate creditors. Instead of doing better than Bush Jr. did at guarding our treasury Obama spent how much in 8 years?
Was it 10 Trillion, or 12 Trillion?

We're being stiffed alright but the perpetrators were Bush Jr. and Obummer. :'(

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 19, 2018, 12:33:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 19, 2018, 12:03:56 PM

George Bush Jr. caused the financial crisis of 2009. Wall Street crooks were bailed out by US taxpayer money.

Instead of being hung for treason or serving life in prison, they gave themselves Million dollar bonuses.

That was all approved by Bush Jr. AvHdB can probably tell us more precisely how much money that fiasco cost the American people.

The American public are the ultimate creditors. Instead of doing better than Bush Jr. did at guarding our treasury Obama spent how much in 8 years?
Was it 10 Trillion, or 12 Trillion?

We're being stiffed alright but the perpetrators were Bush Jr. and Obummer. :'(

W Bush didn't cause the financial crisis but he predicted it, explained it and then
did absolutely nothing to stop it. He was guilty by passive inaction, but he didn't
cause it. It was caused by Democrats legislating that Fanny Mae and others make
loans to people who couldn't pay them back.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 19, 2018, 12:39:26 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 19, 2018, 12:33:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 19, 2018, 12:03:56 PM
George Bush Jr. caused the financial crisis of 2009. Wall Street crooks were bailed out by US taxpayer money.

Instead of being hung for treason or serving life in prison, they gave themselves Million dollar bonuses.

That was all approved by Bush Jr. AvHdB can probably tell us more precisely how much money that fiasco cost the American people.

The American public are the ultimate creditors. Instead of doing better than Bush Jr. did at guarding our treasury Obama spent how much in 8 years?
Was it 10 Trillion, or 12 Trillion?

We're being stiffed alright but the perpetrators were Bush Jr. and Obummer. :'(

W Bush didn't cause the financial crisis but he predicted it, explained it and then
did absolutely nothing to stop it. He was guilty by passive inaction, but he didn't
cause it. It was caused by Democrats legislating that Fanny Mae and others make
loans to people who couldn't pay them back.

He did indeed cause it. The events of 9/11/01 were approved by Bush Jr, Cheney, etc. and committed by Clowns In America and Mossad agents most of whom are dual-citizen Israeli's.

Only someone incredibly obtuse with their head permanently buried in the sand could possibly believe the "official narrative" by the government and constantly parroted by jewish neo-cons. :coffeeread:

https://www.911tap.org/

https://www.amazon.com/War-Terror-Plot-Rule-Middle/dp/0985322543

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 19, 2018, 04:20:31 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 19, 2018, 12:33:35 PM

Quote from: Confederate on December 19, 2018, 12:03:56 PM
George Bush Jr. caused the financial crisis of 2009. Wall Street crooks were bailed out by US taxpayer money.

Instead of being hung for treason or serving life in prison, they gave themselves Million dollar bonuses.

That was all approved by Bush Jr. AvHdB can probably tell us more precisely how much money that fiasco cost the American people.

The American public are the ultimate creditors. Instead of doing better than Bush Jr. did at guarding our treasury Obama spent how much in 8 years?
Was it 10 Trillion, or 12 Trillion?

We're being stiffed alright but the perpetrators were Bush Jr. and Obummer. :'(

W Bush didn't cause the financial crisis but he predicted it, explained it and then
did absolutely nothing to stop it. He was guilty by passive inaction, but he didn't
cause it. It was caused by Democrats legislating that Fanny Mae and others make
loans to people who couldn't pay them back.

Thanks for the compliment tiphat

Let me put the lost amount of funds in another light. If you took the 20 to 30 active posters of RUA and divided only 10% of the lost amount amongst us, we would all would be VERY happy campers.

The causes of the financial meltdown are more complicated but it indeed did come to a head under W. Bush.

B. Clinton and to a lessor extent R. Reagan began to relax banking laws including the separation of different sorts/types of banks. An example and it should have served as a warning to regulators & both B. Clinton and W. Bush was the debacle of Lincoln Savings and the subsequent involvement of the so-called Keating 5.

What concerns me is D. Trump is repeating some of the same missteps by relaxing important parts of the Dodd-Frank Act.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 19, 2018, 06:13:19 PM

Perhaps a bit early but what are the thoughts on M. McSally being appointed to the seat 'vacated' by J. McCain? For what is worth she will serve to 2020.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 19, 2018, 10:14:25 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 19, 2018, 04:20:31 PM

B. Clinton and to a lessor extent R. Reagan began to relax banking laws including the separation of different sorts/types of banks. An example and it should have served as a warning to regulators & both B. Clinton and W. Bush was the debacle of Lincoln Savings and the subsequent involvement of the so-called Keating 5.

What concerns me is D. Trump is repeating some of the same missteps by relaxing important parts of the Dodd-Frank Act.

Well Clever American boys when I posted this message: http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,26117.msg488158.html#msg488158
None of you paid any attention..... :'(

Did any of you visited the link I posted to the Greek site, translated and read my post there?

I expect the answer is Nobody!

Well I translated with Google, so the translation is not perfect, nut you will get the picture and what happened to the Global economy, thanks to those assholes and President Clinton.

Take a read and learn some facts:

The perfect Crime is ... the one that is Legal

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-knAA-FWXCVY/U6_g0K2ZIsI/AAAAAAABi1A/9OcEeijlYvM/s1600/HPA+EGKLHMAScreenshot_1.png)

Unfortunately, those who have led our country to the Memorandum and bankruptcy those who have put us deeply and deeply into the spiral of financial death, are now hungry to play SAVIORS.

SaviorS, firefighter and rescuer, the gruesome "nightmares" that opened the back door!

In reality they all are the 'nightmares'' which signed the application of the Understanding and stole fraudulently its vote '' shocked '' and '' blackmailed '' by the traitors of the Mass Media, of the Greek people, that executes and commands of the Holding Powers (International Facility Clients) to produce the Right of Strongholds, which must create economic reserves very soon, that will have to repay, with interest, to the funds of the international usury, mainly to the German banks.

For this reason, the aims of tax bills, and the tax evasion of millions of Greeks, are causing tectonic vibrations.

This is what the international bankruptcy of the usurers wants, and they do so through the IMF and their representatives in 4th Reich demand.

Greece has become a kickbox and experimental test ground in Europe and in the civilized world. Here they have been experimenting for three years, and the biggest experiment of the " Chicago US University's Neo-liberal School ", privatization and corporate democracy, the rape and control of the silver and property of our country, the ultimate goal of the full sprawl and tutelage of the country in cooperation with the local Quislings. Greece was chosen as the first target because Greek historicaly are unpalatable and when they fully accomplish the experiment, then they will extend it fully to other countries on the planet, where they have already done so.

It is all too clear that everything is about the International Jewish Bankruptcy of the Banks (what we have been saying for two years and more). All the comments, slogans, etc. about the liquidity of the banks are fairy tale. Their aim is for all Eurozone banks to enter under the full control of the ECB, which is fully controlled by Deutsche Bank , which is currently being dealt with by Goldman Sachs' Jewish bankruptcy . As we already know, Goldman Sachs has the power to impose its own governments, Papadimios in Greece, Monti in Italy, Mariano Rajoy in Spain, Pedro Coelho in Portugal, and has now succeeded in imposing his former employee, Mark Carney , in the National Bank of England . Straight clicks made at the US Federal Bureau .

Those talking about the viability of the debt, etc., are nothing but a part of the END GAME, the largest and most legitimate robbery of the planet that was designed immediately after the Second World War, eventually fully implemented with the abolition of the law "Glass-Steagall Act" signed by President Roosevelt in 1933.

This law prohibited private commercial banks from merging with Investment Banks.

In spite of their name, Investment Banks are nothing more than gamblers, in the international financial casinos (Money Markets) who gamble on whatever you may think of!

The Glass-Steagall Act required the government to guarantee customer deposits but forbade the banks to play in the Wall Street casino and risk depositors money!

This was abolished on 12 November 1999 by Congress when Treasury Secretary was Lawrence H. Summers former Co-Chairman of Goldman Sachs.

Read on: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/10-years-later-looking-at-repeal-of-glass-steagall

So Sanford "Sandy" Weill , (Citigroup), Bob Rubin (Goldman Sachs Co-Chairman and US Treasury Secretary 1992), Lawrence (Larry) Summers and Tim Geithner (Goldman Sachs), Lehman Brothers, and other members of the Bank of America, Chase Manhattan, Merrill Lynch, JP Morgan, AIG (insurance company) and others, with the guarantee of the USA state, opened the door for their action across the planet, and after that, to achieve full freedom of movement and action across the planet, they gave orders to the member of the robbery, Tim Geithner , (Goldman Sachs), to force all 152 members of the WTO (World Trade Organisation) to sign, after they fully changed the conditions for the Neo FSA (Banking Financial Service Agreement),and passed through the WTO (World Trade Organisation) in Geneva. Tim Geithner very easily succeeded the purposes of forcing all members to sign, even China with the threat that will block all their exports to the US.

Someone, of course, may think that all of these are fantasies, but all serious economists know about it but do not dare to say it openly because ... the Unemployment Fund is waiting for them.

As I am making these comments and references for the biggest legit heist in the planet, I like to ask you:

Who fueled the bubbles of the property market in the US first and the prosperous consumer lending and then set the fires in Greece in 2010 and 2011, before in Indonesia in 1998, Ecuador 1999, Argentina 2000, Ecuador again in 2005, Hungary 2006, Latvia 2009 and goes by saying?

Thus, for the long-standing success of the slavery, which they have imposed on our country and the complete plundering of our national property after the complete abolition of our national sovereignty, signed by all the traitors of the bipartisan establishment and their supporters Papandreou, Papakonstantinou, Venizelos, Samaras, Kouvelis, Karatzaferis with their servants, Papadimos and Stournaras, our country is in for a complete destruction and dissolution.

The miserable and cynical employee of the International Jewish usurers, finance minister, Sturnaras, publicly pride himself that the German Wolfgang Schaeuble gave him congratulations on the work he has done and continues to do in a very short space of time !!!

Our country is the target of projects aimed at complete weakening, impoverishment and ultimate partitioning. It is not at all accidental, however overly considered, that after the dissolution and fall of the Soviet Union, it was quickly promoted the demolition and deforestation of our own national characteristics, and any other change of our society from the so-called Leftists who governed the country all this time.

It is no accident, the contraction of history in our schools, the prohibition, even pre-eminently, of our religion in the identities, by the Jewish Semitism, the signing of the Madrid agreement recognizing Turkey's "vital interests" in the Aegean, the acceptance of the Dublin 2 agreement that permits greater mixing and relaxes even more the limbs and tissue of Greek society.

The adoption of legislation in general is directed against the births in Greece and the drivers for the strengthening of our demographic problems, and in the final analysis the memorandum legislation that degrades and shrinks the health sector in our country. So,in our country, with a very large demographic problem, with an increased percentage of old age and with the minimum amount of productive age that demolishes the health sector, that is nothing but a Genocide.

That is why they are driving the young educated elements of the population away from the country, moving them to other parts of the globe to survive, leaving the homeland, so that they will go to work, they will make families, they will have second and third generation children , while the productive ages are diminishing and shrinking.

Due to the signing or the Dublin 2 agreement, Greece has become a pool of unhappy and desperate people from third countries by the traitors who governed our country and joined the Dublin Convention 2 . Thus the dramatic and overwhelmingly changing collective group and cohesion of the Greek society and the values that connect us for ages. At the same time, the people are financially dehydrated with the various hurdles of restructuring, economic development, Free Economic Zones and long-term centrifugal independence trips, the result of the Kallikratis project . This is the mission of the German "Fuhttel"!

The Greek people are resisting by throwing the right wing government of the traitors out and voted for the left Syriza party, but I am afraid they will follow the same route as those before, because they already have visited the Jewish "Brooking" organisation in the USA. At the same time the Greek Nation and its people, we will cease to exist as one Nation!

"It is not only a traitor he who reveals the secrets of his homeland to the enemy, but it is also the one who, while he holds a public office, does not, in his knowledge, take the necessary actions to improve the standard of living of the people, ' (Thucydides)[/b]

Not a perfect translation but you will get the picture of what I was writing then in 2013. Moby, before making any comments..... take a look at my Avatar. It's for you!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 19, 2018, 10:57:48 PM

Poor Wiz is in the defensive before he's finished his post))

Is that because he knows this is coming?...

Wiz, I know this is hard to understand but the 'Zuonists' are not the only people with am interest in banking, world hegemony, etc.,

Merry Christmas Old chap

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 20, 2018, 04:22:53 AM

Quote from: msmoby on December 19, 2018, 10:57:48 PM

Poor Wiz is in the defensive before he's finished his post))

Is that because he knows this is coming?...

Wiz, I know this is hard to understand but the 'Zuonists' are not the only people with am interest in banking, world hegemony, etc.,

Merry Christmas Old chap

Just a warning for you to avoid stupid comments, so you know my reply in advance. That's all. ;D

No difficult for me to understand your comments "that other people have an interest in banking too" but maybe it will be more difficult for you to explain to us how a tiny Zionist minority, of the population in most countries around the world, can exert so much influence to the financial and public administration of the country?

If you need examples to explain... I suggest you start with the UK.!

:reading:

(http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/I/images/Happy_New_Year.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on December 20, 2018, 10:23:51 AM

Seasons Greetings - A picture says a million words:

(https://i.ibb.co/44nzpnY/donald-trump-wall-image.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 20, 2018, 10:55:24 AM

Quote from: Wiz on December 20, 2018, 04:22:53 AM

Just a warning for you to avoid stupid comments,

My comment wasn't 'stupid' you just ignored it ... hmm

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 20, 2018, 10:57:52 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on December 20, 2018, 10:23:51 AM

Seasons Greetings - A picture says a million words:

Mikey, did you notice, it's a only cartoon - a wet dream - not reality and your Man's two nearly ( thank goodness ) halfway through his term and much weakened

What do you think about his Syria announcement ?

Merry Christmas

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 20, 2018, 04:30:40 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 20, 2018, 10:55:24 AM

Quote from: Wiz on December 20, 2018, 04:22:53 AM

Just a warning for you to avoid stupid comments,

My comment wasn't 'stupid' you just ignored it ... hmm

I did not see any comment but if you made one , in your brain, you had my reply in advance! "Take a look at my Avatar" it's for You..........

I see you are bored playing with your tu tu........and you come here to annoy everybody, as you get no fringe benefits .......

Poor Moby...... you will never change....

(http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/laugh1.gif)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 20, 2018, 05:47:10 PM

British spy Steele blows apart entire
Trump-Russia collusion hoax

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEve7x8ROTA

and the soap opera (Dallas).......continue daily.......

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 20, 2018, 07:36:24 PM

Er HELLO

Defensce Secretary resigns ..

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46640114 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46640114)

"Because you have the right to have a secretary of defence whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down," Gen Mattis wrote

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 21, 2018, 08:33:34 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 20, 2018, 07:36:24 PM

Er HELLO

Defensce Secretary resigns ..

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46640114 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46640114)

"Because you have the right to have a secretary of defence whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down," Gen Mattis wrote

There is a huge portion of the Military industrial complex who wants forever
wars. There is no longer any reason for the USA to send young men and women
to Syria. If you want to send people there please enlist your own countrymen, we
Americans have enough on our plate.

By the way Obama had 4 Secretary's of defense 3 of which
resigned because of his silly notions on what a military is for and
how to use it. Only Richard Nixon and Harry Truman had as many as
Obama

Robert Gates, former defense secretary, offers harsh critique of Obama’s leadership in ‘Duty’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/robert-gates-former-defense-secretary-offers-harsh-critique-of-obamas-leadership-in-duty/2014/01/07/6a6915b2-77cb-11e3-b1c5-739e63e9c9a7_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8ff34a045671

PANETTA’S MEMOIR BLASTS OBAMA ON HIS LEADERSHIP, BLAMES HIM FOR STATE OF IRAQ AND SYRIA
https://www.newsweek.com/panettas-memoir-blasts-obama-his-leadership-blames-him-state-iraq-and-syria-276582

In an exclusive interview, Chuck Hagel said the Obama administration micromanaged
the Pentagon, stabbed him in the back on the way out — and still has no strategy for
fixing Syria.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/18/hagel-the-white-house-tried-to-destroy-me/

Secretary of defense nominee hasn’t always agreed with Obama
https://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/ash-carter-record-113274

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2018, 08:47:38 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 21, 2018, 08:33:34 PM

Quote from: msmoby on December 20, 2018, 07:36:24 PM
Er HELLO

Defensce Secretary resigns ..

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46640114 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46640114)

"Because you have the right to have a secretary of defence whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down," Gen Mattis wrote

There is a huge portion of the Military industrial complex who wants forever
wars. There is no longer any reason for the USA to send young men and women
to Syria. If you want to send people there please enlist your own countrymen, we
Americans have enough on our plate.

By the way Obama had 4 Secretary's of defense 3 of which
resigned because of his silly notions on what a military is for and how
to use it. Only Richard Nixon and Harry Truman had as many as Obama

Well spoken Beel. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on December 21, 2018, 09:40:19 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 21, 2018, 08:33:34 PM

Forever wars.

Indeed. If HRC had won we'd have been waist deep in both Syria and Libya. Glad to see Trump is moving us out of Syria.

B/B

Title: Re: President 'Trrampu's' revolving doors
Post by: msmoby on December 21, 2018, 10:43:15 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2018/jul/05/donald-trump-firings-resignations-white-house-full-list-latest (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2018/jul/05/donald-trump-firings-resignations-white-house-full-list-latest)

Observe the images moving across the top ..

This article was from the 16th December

BEFORE Mattis' resignation

Indeed, I really do think 'Trampu' still thinks he's on the US version of The Apprentice'

Meanwhile those suggesting 'Trampu' knows better than HIS appointees better have some better excuses than protecting the boys or isolationism ..There's plenty of non aggressive nations - that do not feel the need for constant wars - can see this action will create a situation ...whereby there'll be an increased chance of war.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 21, 2018, 11:05:22 PM

Quote

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46640114

Maybe this is the answer to the resignation of General James Mattis!

Iranian ships launched missiles
near the US aircraft carrier

Posted by JON GAMBRELL at AP on 21 December 2018 (https://www.apnews.com/d4fc9309e97842509291552e13ea5174)

"Iranian naval ships launched rockets near the US aircraft carrier group, which entered the Persian Gulf. This is reported by the Associated Press. The US aircraft carrier group is headed by the aircraft carrier John Stennis."

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/USS_John_C._Stennis%2C_2007May11.jpg)

"Ships Revolutionary Guards followed the" John Stennis "and its strike group, at some point launching rockets and releasing a number of drone", - informs the agency.

It is noted that about 30 warships of Iran followed a group of American ships.

In October, the US aircraft carrier entered the Arctic for the first time in almost 30 years."

Obviously President Trump is planning to attack Iran together with Israel to stop energy supplies to China.....and I read on the Greek Media he has ordered "Turkey out of Syria too"!

Is it all Coincidence ?

tiphat

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 23, 2018, 05:07:52 PM

Quote from: Wiz on December 21, 2018, 11:05:22 PM

Is it all Coincidence ?

Iran wasn't shooting at a US Aircraft Carrier, but they ran their war games to correspond
when a US carrier was traveling through for propaganda purposes. Iran's largest ships
are four frigates and three corvettes. The Iranian Navy isn't going to take off across the
ocean trying to follow an American carrier. They rarely stray far from their own coast
and when close to their coast they have (in theory) shore based aircraft support.

IRAN TO LAUNCH MASSIVE WAR GAMES AS U.S. AIRCRAFT CARRIER ENTERS GULF
https://www.newsweek.com/iran-war-games-us-carrier-gulf-911-1269249

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on December 23, 2018, 09:48:48 PM

Bill

I read all that before......and it was also mentioned on the article that I posted the link.......

I remember reading somewhere....that these very fast boats of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards causing troubles to your fleet, when they go thru the straits.

The last episode was when they arrested your sailors.... who by accident or design strayed into Iranian waters.

But you avoided to reply to my comments and the question!

"Obviously President Trump is planning to attack Iran together with Israel to stop energy supplies to China.....and I read on the Greek Media he has ordered "Turkey out of Syria too"!

Is it all Coincidence ?"

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on December 24, 2018, 12:37:03 PM

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/0c4e6e033ec41c4edadd14989eaccae3/tumblr_pk7dymnfKr1u1w3aqo1_1280.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on December 24, 2018, 12:49:32 PM

I have to laugh at all this Mad Dog Lispy Mattis resignation B.S. - Good Riddance was a never Trumper from the get-go only took this job to help his network of MIC Contacts that he has the ability to prioritize contracts for.

Guy speaks with an obvious lisp and has no wife - WTF??? - a 4 Star General's wife is key to command morale as she is the senior wife able to keep her pulse on the entire command's wives concerns - happy military wives = high retention rates. Military wives and mothers are civilians and NOT subject to the UCMJ and have direct access to their home Senators and House Reps via their military liaison constituent services reps.

So I never bought into all the Mad Dog Mattis fan boy love bull shite. The fact that he left with a passive aggressive letter to God Emporer Trump confirms my gut instincts and suspicions about General Lispy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on December 24, 2018, 09:58:29 PM

Quote from: Wiz on December 23, 2018, 09:48:48 PM

"Obviously President Trump is planning to attack Iran together with Israel to stop energy supplies to China.....and I read on the Greek Media he has ordered "Turkey out of Syria too"!

Is it all Coincidence ?"

I seriously doubt that the USA has military designs on Iran. We are currently pulling
out of Syria and reducing our troops in Afghanistan.

In addition Iraq has been making deals to sell more oil in China
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Iraq-Looks-To-Seize-Greater-Oil-Market-Share-In-Asia.html

Regarding Turkey, we would prefer that they left the Kurds alone, but it's unrealistic to
think that they will.

Title: Re: President Trump - consequences
Post by: msmoby on December 25, 2018, 09:54:41 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on December 24, 2018, 09:58:29 PM

Regarding Turkey, we would prefer that they left the Kurds alone, but it's unrealistic to
think that they will.

Yup .. the base at Incirlik is too important to 'lose' ..

Move it to Cyprus - problem solved - and The Kremlin will threaten to pull their dirty dosh from Limassol ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on December 25, 2018, 09:57:52 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on December 24, 2018, 12:49:32 PM

a 4 Star General's wife is key to command morale as she is the senior wife able to keep her pulse on the entire command's wives concerns

Ah, Mikey...so your remaining single and not finding a FSU wife was for patriotic reasons ? ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on December 30, 2018, 02:20:22 PM

While not directly related to D. Trump this is an article regarding J. Epstein and his so-called 'Lolita Express'. This has been mentioned on this thread and elsewhere. In fact it points to other officials and is a sad indictment of American 'justice'.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 02, 2019, 08:41:34 AM

Left wing wacko Lizzy "don't call me pocahantus" Warren is throwing her
feather head dress into the ring announcing an exploratory committee
to seek the presidency.

My view is that the Dems will nominate an unelectable lefty radical guaranteeing
a Trump win.

Trumps response was “Well, that I don’t know. You’d have to ask her psychiatrist.”
Which will make her and her lefty supporters act even more insane.

(https://cdn.creators.com/589/244703/244703_image.jpg)

Warren’s jump into the presidential campaign kicks the 2020 race into high gear
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/warrens-jump-into-the-presidential-campaign-kicks-the-2020-race-into-high-gear/2018/12/31/64adbc50-0d02-11e9-831f-3aa2c2be4cbd_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ea06e8c063c7

(https://image.cagle.com/219818/750/219818.png)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 02, 2019, 04:58:44 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on January 02, 2019, 08:41:34 AM

My view is that the Dems will nominate an unelectable lefty radical guaranteeing
a Trump win.

As Labour did here with Corbyn.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 02, 2019, 09:43:15 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on January 02, 2019, 08:41:34 AM

My view is that the Dems will nominate an unelectable lefty radical guaranteeing
a Trump win.

Quote from: Manny on January 02, 2019, 04:58:44 PM

As Labour did here with Corbyn.

1/ The 'lefties' in America are akin to the left of our Tories ..

2/ The Dms could stick a blue rosette on a Donkey's arse and it will beat Trump ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 04, 2019, 08:05:12 AM

No wonder that Hillary did so well in California.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 04, 2019, 04:44:37 PM

Quote from: msmoby on January 02, 2019, 09:43:15 PM

1/ The 'lefties' in America are akin to the left of our Tories ..

Who cares?

Quote from: msmoby on January 02, 2019, 09:43:15 PM

2/ The Dms could stick a blue rosette on a Donkey's arse and it will beat Trump ;)

They tried that, she lost. The Dem's are going to nominate somebody too far left
to get elected in the USA. They do that periodically and it takes a huge loss for
them to figure it out.

(http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/62000/Hillary-Clinton-Donkey--62112.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 04, 2019, 06:09:39 PM

Quote

President Donald Trump told Democrats he would keep the government closed for months or even years unless he gets funding for his Border Wall.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/donald-trump-vows-keep-government-201019086.html

Yes, keep it closed for several years, please. Keep the US Treasury shut down, so nobody needs to do business with the US Government. That will finally help to shrink the Federal workforce drastically. Let the anarchists in the National Parks rein free. :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 04, 2019, 09:24:12 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 04, 2019, 06:09:39 PM

Quote
President Donald Trump told Democrats he would keep the government closed for months or even years unless he gets funding for his Border Wall.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/donald-trump-vows-keep-government-201019086.html

Yes, keep it closed for several years, please. Keep the US Treasury shut down, so nobody needs to do business with the US Government. That will finally help to shrink the Federal workforce drastically. Let the anarchists in the National Parks rein free. :chuckle:

If they are still collecting your taxes then they ain't shut down.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on January 05, 2019, 02:26:24 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on January 04, 2019, 04:44:37 PM

They tried that, she lost. The Dem's are going to nominate somebody too far left
to get elected in the USA. They do that periodically and it takes a huge loss for
them to figure it out.

Let me insert the words - NOW ... Right now, the Dems could stick a blue rosette on a Donkey's arse and it would win .. I refer to 'Reampu' having 'support' within the GOP ..he's a liability

As I recall, Sanders was / is considerably more left than Clinton .. Please be more accurate ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on January 05, 2019, 08:57:43 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 05, 2019, 02:26:24 AM

Right now, the Dems could stick a blue rosette on a Donkey's arse and it would win ..

Thats what they said last time:

I would vote for a horses ass before I will vote for mrs. Clinton.

Reply: A horses ass is all we have unfortunately.

right now, I don't see Trump loosing, despite the constant "trump bad" campaign by the media.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 05, 2019, 09:11:38 AM

Quote from: msmoby on January 05, 2019, 02:26:24 AM

Let me insert the words - NOW ... Right now, the Dems could stick a blue rosette on a Donkey's arse and it would win .. I refer to 'Reampu' having 'support' within the GOP ..he's a liability

As I recall, Sanders was / is considerably more left than Clinton .. Please be more accurate ;)

Frequently you misunderstand what I am talking about, I will try to be clear.

In past elections the Democrats nominate guys in the relative middle like Bill Clinton
for example and win, then periodically₁ they nominate somebody too far
to the left and they lose McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis would be examples.

Many Democrats think that part of the reason that Hillary lost was that she wasn't
liberal enough and many of the Democrats are racing wildly to the left. In my opinion
they are going to nominate somebody too far to the left to

My comment is very accurate. Note, I didn't say that the Democrats ALWAYs nominate
somebody too far to the left, I said periodically. If I had said always then your Sanders
argument would have merit.

1. From the Oxford Dictionary
periodically
ADVERB
1. From time to time; occasionally.

‘I will periodically check on your progress’
‘the students received help from a friend only periodically’

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/periodically

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 05, 2019, 01:41:25 PM

Bill, I think that you have wasted a lot of words here. moby is a grammar school lad. He understands English pretty well. He is purposefully choosing to 'misunderstand' in order to create dissent and to waste the time of other people to mitigate his boredom.

In short, moby understood perfectly what you wrote but chose to steal your time by provoking you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 05, 2019, 03:10:52 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on January 05, 2019, 01:41:25 PM

In short, moby understood perfectly what you wrote but chose to steal your time by provoking you.

You have a point.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 07, 2019, 06:15:46 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 04, 2019, 09:24:12 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 04, 2019, 06:09:39 PM
Quote
President Donald Trump told Democrats he would keep the government closed for months or even years unless he gets funding for his Border Wall.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/donald-trump-vows-keep-government-201019086.html

Yes, keep it closed for several years, please. Keep the US Treasury shut down, so nobody needs to do business with the US Government. That will finally help to shrink the Federal workforce drastically. Let the anarchists in the National Parks rein free. :chuckle:

If they are still collecting your taxes then they ain't shut down.

B/B

Quote

Some 12.5 percent of IRS employees have been working through the shutdown because they are classified as serving "in the protection of life and property." These are personnel who keep computer systems running, protect federal property, conduct criminal investigations and take care of other essential tasks.

"Relevant authority has established that tax revenues constitute Government property which the Service must safeguard during a lapse in appropriations," according to the IRS.

This means that adding to the activities above, the agency will continue collecting taxes throughout the shutdown.

With collecting over $13.4 trillion in fiscal year 2017, you cannot stop the revenue stream. :money:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 09, 2019, 05:26:32 PM

Our leftist ITV news tonight had an anti Trump fest (with Pelosi and lots of hand wringing 'Democrats') explaining why museums were closed and how it's all nasty Mr Trump's fault because he walked out of a meeting [that was going to be unproductive]. And then they showed queues of Mexicans who are [ahem] surely all doctors, scientists and not rapists, criminals or would be pool cleaners in FL. And how the wall is a bad idea, etc...........

At one point I had to pause it and explain to wifey the short version normal people understand and why what we were watching was fake news.

What she struggled with is why so many voted for him [and he won] on the basis he will build a wall, and now he can't get funding to build said wall, so the machine is going against the people's wishes. Rather like Moby and his mates trying to thwart Brexit.

Fuzzy thinking leftists, pinkos and commies seem to be the common denominator.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on January 09, 2019, 05:30:27 PM

Funny, we had the same thing here last night. Thought I was watching CNN instead of our own CTV.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 09, 2019, 06:36:18 PM

Quote

What she struggled with is why so many voted for him [and he won] on the basis he will build a wall, and now he can't get funding to build said wall, so the machine is going against the people's wishes.

What makes you think that Presidents can keep their campaign promises?

Slogan - Read my lips, no new taxes.
Result - New taxes

Slogan - A chicken for every pot.
Result - Soup kitchen lines

It's always the SOS (same old :censored:) (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 09, 2019, 06:44:25 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 07, 2019, 06:15:46 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 04, 2019, 09:24:12 PM
Quote from: dcguyusa on January 04, 2019, 06:09:39 PM
Quote
President Donald Trump told Democrats he would keep the government closed for months or even years unless he gets funding for his Border Wall.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/donald-trump-vows-keep-government-201019086.html

Yes, keep it closed for several years, please. Keep the US Treasury shut down, so nobody needs to do business with the US Government. That will finally help to shrink the Federal workforce drastically. Let the anarchists in the National Parks rein free. :chuckle:

If they are still collecting your taxes then they ain't shut down.

B/B

Quote
Some 12.5 percent of IRS employees have been working through the shutdown because they are classified as serving "in the protection of life and property." These are personnel who keep computer systems running, protect federal property, conduct criminal investigations and take care of other essential tasks.

"Relevant authority has established that tax revenues constitute Government property which the Service must safeguard during a lapse in appropriations," according to the IRS.

This means that adding to the activities above, the agency will continue collecting taxes throughout the shutdown.

With collecting over $13.4 trillion in fiscal year 2017, you cannot stop the revenue stream. :money:

Quote

The decision to recall furloughed workers to process—without being paid—early tax returns and to send out refund checks is being questioned for both its legality and practicality.

John Mahoney, a Washington, D.C.-based federal employment law attorney, told Government Executive he is very concerned that the IRS will violate the Anti-Deficiency Act if it calls in furloughed staff to process tax refunds. Under the ADA, only essential federal government employees are allowed to work without congressional appropriations in place to pay those employees, he said. “The ADA prohibits the government from being involved in any contract for the future payment of money in excess of currently available congressional appropriations.” In another section of Code Title 31, Section 1342, the law “also prohibits the government from securing voluntary services", Mahoney said.

The critical question is how long do you keep working for nothing and remain on the job? 800,000 employees and other workers who depend on those 800,000 employees spending their income will have to make that decision eventually if this continues indefinitely. :-\

Title: President Trump powers if he declares a national emergency
Post by: 2tallbill on January 09, 2019, 08:54:46 PM

I'm obviously not a constitutional lawyer, but if Trump declares a state of emergency
on the US border the following statutes look to my untrained reading that he could
build a wall on the US border.

Note: All these statutes require a presidential declaration of a national emergency.

33 U.S.C. § 2293

Secretary of the Army may terminate or defer any Army civil works project and apply the resources, including funds, personnel, and equipment, of the Army’s civil works program to authorized civil works, military construction, and civil defense projects that are essential to the national defense, without regard to any other provision of law (1986)

50 U.S.C. §§ 1431-1435

President may authorize any agency that exercises functions in connection with
the national defense to enter into, amend, or make advance payments on contracts
up to certain specified amounts and subject to certain restrictions, without regard to
other provisions of law relating to contract formation, amendment, or performance, if
the President deems it to be in the interest of national defense (1958)

10 U.S.C. § 2350j (e)(3)(A)

Secretary of Defense, or secretary of a military department authorized by Secretary
of Defense, may carry out military construction project using funds contributed from
NATO and other countries without a full report to Congress and waiting period (1999)

10 U.S.C. § 2662 (f)

Secretary of military department concerned, or Secretary of Defense with respect to
Department of Defense transactions, may waive advance reporting requirements for
real property transactions (1992)

10 U.S.C. § 2808 (a)

Secretary of Defense, without regard to any other provision of law, may undertake
military construction projects, and may authorize Secretaries of the military departments
to undertake military construction projects, that are necessary to support such use of the
armed forces (1982)

Source: https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/emergency-powers

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 10, 2019, 02:31:52 PM

This is going to be a very interesting year.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 18, 2019, 12:09:58 PM

Having the partial shutdown hurts Democrats far worse than Republicans.
Those departments have stopped spending money on liberal projects. The
EPA is closed and wages are a small part of their budget.

Imagine if next year the EPA had 20-40% less to spend. The longer they are
closed the less they spend and if they don't spend 30% of their budget then
the next year the budget is automatically reduced by 30%.

What if the partial government shutdown went on for 6 months? Does Everybody
know that the Treasury department had MORE money in revenues than last year
BEFORE the tax cut?

Trump could balance the Federal Budget and the Democrats heads would explode.
They lie about everything but how do they explain that the GOP formula of lower
taxes and regulations along with less government spending and control balances
the Federal Budget??!!?

The Democrats will cave.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 18, 2019, 04:17:54 PM

Unemployment numbers would go up. Economic growth would drop. Can you spell R-E-C-E-S-S-I-O-N? 800,000 not earning and others who depend on the income of 800,000 would create a ripple effect. You can disband the entire group of departments of the Executive Branch of the Government. That would shrink the size of Government by a HUGE margin. I saw a TV report that soup kitchen service will be provided for furloughed workers. Ahh, the good old days. (:) :chuckle:

Quote

During this period, the IRS reminds taxpayers that the underlying tax laws remain in effect, and all taxpayers should continue to meet their tax obligations as normal. Individuals and businesses should keep filing their tax returns and making payments and deposits with the IRS, as they are required to do by law.

:money:

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Passports. The IRS will not be certifying for the State Department any individuals for passport eligibility.

:plane:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 18, 2019, 05:28:15 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 18, 2019, 04:17:54 PM

Unemployment numbers would go up.

Nope, they are drains on the system. What would happen if people stopped getting welfare
payments? Would we have a recession?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 18, 2019, 05:51:42 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on January 18, 2019, 05:28:15 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 18, 2019, 04:17:54 PM
Unemployment numbers would go up.

Nope, they are drains on the system. What would happen if people stopped getting welfare
payments? Would we have a recession?

The bigger drains on the system are Social Security and Medicare. Federal payroll and welfare are small compared to them. People who are already unemployed do not increase the unemployment numbers. As for taking away welfare from unemployed people, would that induce a recession? Most people with low income tend to spend most of it, so that would circulate the money to other areas of the economy. Taking away that money could decrease the economic activity of those connected to the welfare recipients. Taking away the money from the working civil service could also decrease the circulation of the money that would have been spent by the workers. If their money flowed to more areas than the welfare money, then the decreased spending would have a bigger impact on the economy. The impact is not just concentrated on the wage less workers alone.

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Trump to make announcement Saturday on shutdown

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-to-make-announcement-saturday-on-shutdown/ar-BBSrjwg

High Noon is approaching. :fighting0025: :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on January 18, 2019, 07:05:25 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on January 18, 2019, 05:28:15 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 18, 2019, 04:17:54 PM
Unemployment numbers would go up.

Nope, they are drains on the system. What would happen if people stopped getting welfare
payments? Would we have a recession?

Most likely you would have a lot of civil unrest.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on January 18, 2019, 07:08:02 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 18, 2019, 05:51:42 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on January 18, 2019, 05:28:15 PM
Quote from: dcguyusa on January 18, 2019, 04:17:54 PM
Unemployment numbers would go up.

Nope, they are drains on the system. What would happen if people stopped getting welfare
payments? Would we have a recession?

The bigger drains on the system are Social Security and Medicare.

I always thought defense was the biggest.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 18, 2019, 07:50:44 PM

The Dems big fear is not tha the wall won't work, it's that it WILL.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on January 18, 2019, 08:23:03 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 18, 2019, 07:50:44 PM

The Dems big fear is not tha the wall won't work, it's that it WILL.

B/B

How does one stop the tunnels from being dug underneath them?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 19, 2019, 12:20:29 AM

Quote from: yankee on January 18, 2019, 07:08:02 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 18, 2019, 05:51:42 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on January 18, 2019, 05:28:15 PM
Quote from: dcguyusa on January 18, 2019, 04:17:54 PM
Unemployment numbers would go up.

Nope, they are drains on the system. What would happen if people stopped getting welfare
payments? Would we have a recession?

The bigger drains on the system are Social Security and Medicare.

I always thought defense was the biggest.

I originally thought that too. But this pie chart depicts Social Security and Medicare exceeding national defense.

https://apps.irs.gov/app/understandingTaxes/whys/thm01/les01/ac3_thm01_les01.jsp

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S&P Global Group estimated on Jan. 11 that if the shutdown lasts another two weeks, the total cost to the economy would hit $6 billion,

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/well-have-no-other-option-than-declaring-bankruptcy-how-the-shutdown-could-impact-government-workers-for-months/ar-BBSr40T?li=BBnb7Kz

Isn't that a similar amount being requested for the wall? I guess it depends on where you think the money needs to be spent. Easy come, easy go. :P

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 19, 2019, 02:20:21 AM

Those charts don't look quite right. I am not certain without checking but I think there's some smoke and mirrors going on here. Something about the differring types of liability that some social spending is, in essence how spending and receipts are classified. Also, not all military spending is allocated under military, or even made public.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on January 19, 2019, 07:30:57 AM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 19, 2019, 12:20:29 AM

Quote from: yankee on January 18, 2019, 07:08:02 PM
Quote from: dcguyusa on January 18, 2019, 05:51:42 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on January 18, 2019, 05:28:15 PM
Quote from: dcguyusa on January 18, 2019, 04:17:54 PM
Unemployment numbers would go up.

Nope, they are drains on the system. What would happen if people stopped getting welfare
payments? Would we have a recession?

The bigger drains on the system are Social Security and Medicare.

I always thought defense was the biggest.

I originally thought that too. But this pie chart depicts Social Security and Medicare exceeding national defense.

https://apps.irs.gov/app/understandingTaxes/whys/thm01/les01/ac3_thm01_les01.jsp

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S&P Global Group estimated on Jan. 11 that if the shutdown lasts another two weeks, the total cost to the economy would hit $6 billion,

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/well-have-no-other-option-than-declaring-bankruptcy-how-the-shutdown-could-impact-government-workers-for-months/ar-BBSr40T?li=BBnb7Kz

Isn't that a similar amount being requested for the wall? I guess it depends on where you think the money needs to be spent. Easy come, easy go. :P

The used to separate SS and Medicare.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 19, 2019, 11:32:23 AM

Quote from: yankee on January 18, 2019, 07:05:25 PM

Most likely you would have a lot of civil unrest.

I'm not in favor of it, I just used it as an example of things that don't cause recessions.
People not working in the Department of Housing and Urban Development isn't going
to cause a recession.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 19, 2019, 11:49:08 AM

Quote from: yankee on January 18, 2019, 08:23:03 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 18, 2019, 07:50:44 PM
The Dems big fear is not tha the wall won't work, it's that it WILL.

B/B

How does one stop the tunnels from being dug underneath them?

Some of these walls go ten feet below the ground. How many unaccompanied minors
or pregnant mothers are going to dig a tunnel beneath them? The Cartels might do it
for their drugs but as soon as they tell Jose and Maria Immigrant about it the tunnel
isn't secret any more and their drugs get confiscated.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on January 19, 2019, 08:24:55 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 19, 2019, 12:20:29 AM

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/well-have-no-other-option-than-declaring-bankruptcy-how-the-shutdown-could-impact-government-workers-for-months/ar-BBSr40T?li=BBnb7Kz

Article is misleading. It's not the end of the world if the government shuts down for a few months. Pregnant woman will easily get food stamps, money for baby, and housing if she's out of a job. Social programs in America take care of pregnant woman easily. She'll get help the first day she asks for it.

Quote from: yankee on January 18, 2019, 08:23:03 PM

Quote from: B.B. on January 18, 2019, 07:50:44 PM
The Dems big fear is not tha the wall won't work, it's that it WILL.

B/B

How does one stop the tunnels from being dug underneath them?

I like Trump but I'm not for the wall on the scale he wants. Costs lots of money and there will be little return. The wall will stop the average family from walking across the border but tunnels can dig deep and long for the drug runners. Also tunnels are used to move paying customers. Even if our authorities find a tunnel and fill it in, two tunnels are being dug ready for use while one gets shut down. Not everybody over there is dumb to where a tunnel gets shut down and they are confused on what to do next to move their product.

Most illegal immigrants come here through a port of entry anyway. Some came through an airport legally and just overstayed their visa because they don't want to go home. Others come through border check points. A few border agents are corrupt and can be bought. Those agents tell the people paying them what lane their working in on what day so the illegals that want to cross get waved through without inspection.

Trump wants to keep his promise with his voter base so it's a good thing he wants to keep his promise.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 19, 2019, 08:49:11 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on January 19, 2019, 11:49:08 AM

Quote from: yankee on January 18, 2019, 08:23:03 PM
Quote from: B.B. on January 18, 2019, 07:50:44 PM
The Dems big fear is not tha the wall won't work, it's that it WILL.

B/B

How does one stop the tunnels from being dug underneath them?

Some of these walls go ten feet below the ground. How many unaccompanied minors
or pregnant mothers are going to dig a tunnel beneath them? The Cartels might do it
for their drugs but as soon as they tell Jose and Maria Immigrant about it the tunnel
isn't secret any more and their drugs get confiscated.

One patrols the border and nearby areas, and used GPR. Thus, when our liberal friends say "Oh, hey, they can just build stairs or use ladders" that is totally disingenous. Like we're just going to put up a wall and then never pay attention to it again.

Walls work just fine, unless you think that people in prison are just voluntarily hanging out.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on January 19, 2019, 08:54:56 PM

Quote from: BillyB on January 19, 2019, 08:24:55 PM

I like Trump but I'm not for the wall on the scale he wants. Costs lots of money and there will be little return. The wall will stop the average family from walking across the border but tunnels can dig deep and long for the drug runners. Also tunnels are used to move paying customers. Even if our authorities find a tunnel and fill it in, two tunnels are being dug ready for use while one gets shut down. Not everybody over there is dumb to where a tunnel gets shut down and they are confused on what to do next to move their product.

Most illegal immigrants come here through a port of entry anyway. Some came through an airport legally and just overstayed their visa because they don't want to go home. Others come through border check points. A few border agents are corrupt and can be bought. Those agents tell the people paying them what lane their working in on what day so the illegals that want to cross get waved through without inspection.

Trump wants to keep his promise with his voter base so it's a good thing he wants to keep his promise.

The $5.7B is less than 2% of what we spend on securing the southern border annually.

Sure, illegals also come via ports of entry and overstay. So what? 43% come over the southern border. We can staunch the flow there, and then figure out how to stop the others. Also, the folks coming over the border ara combo of our friends in MS13 and low skill workers who will simply put pressure on a vulnerable citisen population. Sorry that where they are from sux, but that's no reason to replicate it here. This is typical lib nonsense - "Yay, we're good people! Let everyone in! Yay! Let's all sing 'Imagine' now!" and then after people start to get raped and killed it's "OMGEEEEE! THEY WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO THAT!!!" Yah, no thanks.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on January 20, 2019, 10:49:01 AM

The government could take the money that the IRS, is giving to fraudulent tax returns from immigrants.
It never ceases to amaze

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 20, 2019, 04:38:00 PM

The people who walk across the boarder cause far more problems verses than the ones that fly in. This is because the ones that fly in got a visa and have been cleared as not having known criminal past where the ones that walk across have no prior screening at all. The none criminals that walk cross the boarder are also a bigger problem as they tend to have less educations, less financial stability, and less skills than those who fly in. The ones who fly in had to have the financial means to buy a ticket and history or family support to quality for a visa. It is not a matter of numbers, it is where our worse and least employable immigrates are getting into the country. Many of the very poor in the countries south of the USA survive off of petty crimes like constancy stealing. This is just the Dems trying to confuse the issue. What Trump is trying to do is a big help to the country.

It is also a big help to the countries to the south of us. It is where the illegal guns and money crosses to fund and support the drugs cartels in the countries south of us.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 22, 2019, 05:46:17 PM

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It is where the illegal guns and money crosses to fund and support the drugs cartels in the countries south of us.

The root of the matter is why are the people in this country supporting the drug cartels? If there is no demand, then the supplier will go away. :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 23, 2019, 06:52:26 AM

That, dcguy, is a question best addressed to organisations that, sadly, are the least likely to be forthcoming with a truthful reply.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on January 23, 2019, 07:14:39 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on January 20, 2019, 04:38:00 PM

they tend to have less educations,

Perish the thought.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on January 23, 2019, 09:07:11 AM

Quote from: Manny on January 23, 2019, 07:14:39 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on January 20, 2019, 04:38:00 PM
they tend to have less educations,

Perish the thought.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 23, 2019, 11:40:50 AM

If the government is shut down is there any reason we can't go
check out area 51? ....................... I'm asking for a friend. ;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 23, 2019, 12:02:11 PM

Can't be any harm in you just going to check Area 51 out. It'll be fun!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 24, 2019, 09:59:46 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 22, 2019, 05:46:17 PM

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It is where the illegal guns and money crosses to fund and support the drugs cartels in the countries south of us.

The root of the matter is why are the people in this country supporting the drug cartels? If there is no demand, then the supplier will go away. :'(

That I so true and I wish it was easy to stop sending the cartels money. The answer it would be easy to stop my making all the drugs legal. Then there would be not large profit in selling drugs. But the use of these drugs would likely increase a lot.

There are criminal gangs in the countries to the south of us that are organized and will commit just about any type of crime. These gangs do not stay south of the USA but often inter our country and conduct business here. My last girlfriend was Mexican. After we broke up she lived in a apartment complex where other Mexicans lived and some of which were of the illegal status in this country. She decided to move but turned off her power one day too soon. She asked the woman next door if she could charge her phone there while she finished loading her stuff. The woman's son took her phone and started to used if to sell drugs. She called the number and when they answered she knew they had her phone. She demanded her phone back they would not return it. So she called the police. She got the son to admit he had the phone but he dared the police to do anything about it. The police ask her if she wanted to file chargers. She said yes. Then police took him to jail. Two days latter he was out on bond. It turned out he belong to a large ganged. The ganged was hunting for her. They found out where she moved to even though is was another city a hundred miles way. Two of the gang members started to break her door down. My ex girlfriend had two large dogs. The dogs started to bark and act real mean. They two guys left. The next morning she got the dogs and left. She went to her job to try to explain what was happening. They fired her because she was a danger to the doctors office and all the patients. She went to the police and they said they did not have the man power to protect her. If she gets killed they hunt down who ever did it. If she calls the police they come but will only drive by her apartment art random a couple time a day. She went by her apartment and saw two guys waiting in the parking lot. She was thinking that was them. She did not see them from the night before but now she felt they were trying to catch her outside away from the dogs. The woman next door where she used to live was calling her on the phone with death threats for having her son locked up and getting him into all this trouble. She left all her stuff and drove off. The apartment would not refund any of her money she just paid to move in to the complex. She was afraid to move any in any place because they would somehow find her again. So she had to live in her car for a month. She could not get a new job because maybe they could find her that way. After about a month of living in a car she got a job with a old man to care for him for a low salary and room and board. She did that for several months when she found work as a traveling nurse working for a few weeks at a time out of state and always moving. This was Phoenix Arizona where this gang was operating out of. After about a year she felt safe enough to go back to work at a normal job as long as it was about two hundred miles away from Phoenix.

If this is the kind of country you want to live in then you do not want a wall and border security. The Dems are now trying to take the position they want boarder security but not a wall. Last year they did not want any border security so how can you trust them with our lives.

Cancun Mexico a few weeks ago had six gangs related deaths in one day. Most were separate events. This is suppose to be one of the safest parts of Mexico. In spite of Mexico and Brazil GDP growth they are having problem with crime that most of us in the US are not used to.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on January 25, 2019, 11:32:30 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on January 24, 2019, 09:59:46 PM

The answer it would be easy to stop my making all the drugs legal.

Do you want us to stop YOU from making drugs legal? That's what you
wrote. That's what you should expect us to think.

I am not trying to offend you but you really need to stop and read what you
write before pressing the post button. In at least half of your sentences you
make a mistake, which when added up makes your posts nearly unreadable.

Put some empty spaces every 3-4 lines and that will make it easier to read.
Go back and read what you type just one time before you press the post
button and if you see a mistake, correct it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 25, 2019, 02:07:23 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on January 25, 2019, 11:32:30 AM

Quote from: Texan77 on January 24, 2019, 09:59:46 PM
The answer it would be easy to stop my making all the drugs legal.

Do you want us to stop YOU from making drugs legal? That's what you
wrote. That's what you should expect us to think.

I am not trying to offend you but you really need to stop and read what you
write before pressing the post button. In at least half of your sentences you
make a mistake, which when added up makes your posts nearly unreadable.

Put some empty spaces every 3-4 lines and that will make it easier to read.
Go back and read what you type just one time before you press the post
button and if you see a mistake, correct it.

Texan, Bill and others before have made a point about your English usage and sentence structure. Simply said it fails.

While Moby also has poor spelling I assume that is due to his arrogance and being lazy. Like wise Wiz often makes mistakes, but he is not a native English speaker.

While I can at times respect your viewpoint the English is challenging. I will assume like me you are dyslexic, PLEASE spend a little more time proofing what you write and we all might have an easier time understanding your posts. Av

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 25, 2019, 03:52:23 PM

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Cancun Mexico a few weeks ago had six gangs related deaths in one day. Most were separate events. This is suppose to be one of the safest parts of Mexico.

Things have become more unsafe even in the tourist resort regions of Mexico. I have only set foot one time in Mexico when I crossed into Tijuana. Rows of beggars right at the border entrance. That is all that you need to see when you enter into the country. I visited Venezuela decades ago. Now would only go back unless I have a machine gun. :chuckle:

Quote

The answer to it would be easier to stop it by making all the drugs legal. Then there would not be a large profit in selling drugs. But the use of these drugs would likely increase a lot.

Edited for clarity.

P.S. I have been to Phoenix (Grand Canyon) and Tucson (Tombstone), but did not come across the "nefarious" part of society there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on January 25, 2019, 10:04:14 PM

Well, the longest government shutdown in US history is now over. But according to president Trump, this does not represent a concession on the funding of a border wall; the government may well be shut down again next month if funding for the wall does not materialize. Thousands of government workers are happy to be returning to work, many Trump supporters are pissed off. That’s word.

This emoji seems appropriate, given the circumstances. :'( :'( :'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on January 28, 2019, 05:43:11 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on January 25, 2019, 03:52:23 PM

Quote
Cancun Mexico a few weeks ago had six gangs related deaths in one day. Most were separate events. This is suppose to be one of the safest parts of Mexico.

Things have become more unsafe even in the tourist resort regions of Mexico. I have only set foot one time in Mexico when I crossed into Tijuana. Rows of beggars right at the border entrance. That is all that you need to see when you enter into the country. I visited Venezuela decades ago. Now would only go back unless I have a machine gun. :chuckle:

Quote
The answer to it would be easier to stop it by making all the drugs legal. Then there would not be a large profit in selling drugs. But the use of these drugs would likely increase a lot.
Edited for clarity.

P.S. I have been to Phoenix (Grand Canyon) and Tucson (Tombstone), but did not come across the "nefarious" part of society there.

Quote

Is it safe to travel to Venezuela?

Not right now.

:chuckle:

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It could take Joshua Tree National Park up to 300 years to recover from damage it sustained during the partial government shutdown, a former park superintendent said Saturday.

Well one thing is for sure. All of the people who trashed the Park will be dead and long gone by that time. :nod:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 29, 2019, 01:39:09 PM

One way to fight the drug cartels would be to make the drugs legal. This would take the profit out of the business. The trouble with this is it would create wide spread usage of the drugs and the crime and health problems that these drugs cause. I feel pot is going to be a big problem as it is becoming legal in the USA.

P.S. I have been to Phoenix (Grand Canyon) and Tucson (Tombstone), but did not come across the "nefarious" part of society there.

I doubt that you have unless you have children in a public high school in a disadvantage area part of the city. Grand Canyon is near Flag Staff not Phoenix. This is very different place. My ex girlfriend did not see any of this for two years and would not then if she had not turned her electricity off on the day she moved. Ask any Phoenix police offer and I think you will likely find they have a number of these stories.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on January 29, 2019, 08:44:26 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on January 29, 2019, 01:39:09 PM

One way to fight the drug cartels would be to make the drugs legal. This would take the profit out of the business.

Legalizing drugs will turn criminals into legitimate businessmen as long as they pay their taxes.

Quote from: Texan77 on January 29, 2019, 01:39:09 PM

The trouble with this is it would create wide spread usage of the drugs and the crime and health problems that these drugs cause. I feel pot is going to be a big problem as it is becoming legal in the USA.

If I were the Devil, I'd legalize all drugs.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on January 30, 2019, 06:42:08 AM

Quote from: BillyB on January 29, 2019, 08:44:26 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on January 29, 2019, 01:39:09 PM

One way to fight the drug cartels would be to make the drugs legal. This would take the profit out of the business.

Legalizing drugs will turn criminals into legitimate businessmen as long as they pay their taxes.

Quote from: Texan77 on January 29, 2019, 01:39:09 PM
The trouble with this is it would create wide spread usage of the drugs and the crime and health problems that these drugs cause. I feel pot is going to be a big problem as it is becoming legal in the USA.

If I were the Devil, I'd legalize all drugs.

That is what the pharma companies want.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on January 30, 2019, 10:54:21 AM

Funny thing, but evidence suggests that legalisation does not have much effect upon the use of drugs. In most cases those who want them already get them. Of course, there's plenty of positive effects of legalisation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on January 30, 2019, 06:46:38 PM

When Canada legalized pot its usage went way up. That is what I based the comment on. If you have better data that is interesting. I would love to see it.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Herrie on January 30, 2019, 10:45:15 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on January 30, 2019, 06:46:38 PM

When Canada legalized pot its usage went way up. That is what I based the comment on. If you have better data that is interesting. I would love to see it.

I'd say that's probably temporary due to "novelty". Here in the Netherlands the usage is not a higher (in most cases lower v.s. neighbour countries), even though it's "legal" here and not in Germany and France for example.
http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/data/stats2018/gps_en

I'd say numbers will probably "normalize" in the next decade or generation.

.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on February 01, 2019, 09:21:08 AM

Quote from: Herrie on January 30, 2019, 10:45:15 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on January 30, 2019, 06:46:38 PM
When Canada legalized pot its usage went way up. That is what I based the comment on. If you have better data that is interesting. I would love to see it.
I'd say that's probably temporary due to "novelty". Here in the Netherlands the usage is not a higher (in most cases lower v.s. neighbour countries), even though it's "legal" here and not in Germany and France for example.
http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/data/stats2018/gps_en

I'd say numbers will probably "normalize" in the next decade or generation.

.

Good point.

Legalising certain drugs could have a positive effect on society and by decriminalising, open the mind to solutions to combat disease.

Anyone suggesting all drugs are the devils work, has been indoctrinated to think so and lives in the dark ages. We all know fags and booze can be enjoyed and enhance our lives in moderation or controlled circumstances. That's just because its legal.

And before you start attacking booze, keep your nanny state wet dreams to yourself!!

Title: President Trump 4th Trimester abortions?? Infanticide for Virginia
Post by: 2tallbill on February 01, 2019, 02:48:38 PM

Virginia governor is talking about a law where they can kill the baby AFTER
it's born if the mother decides to do so.

Virginia is for infanticide?
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/virginia-is-for-infanticide-abortion-bill-leaves-me-shocked-by-whats-going-on-in-my-own-state
(https://cdn.creators.com/589/246774/246774_image.jpg)

Apparently New York thinks that is ok to have 9 month abortions, but Virginia thinks
it's ok to have abortions after the baby is born, which isn't really possible.

(http://www.jewishworldreview.com/carics/cuomo_abortion.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on February 02, 2019, 03:50:40 PM

Quote from: rosco on February 01, 2019, 09:21:08 AM

Anyone suggesting all drugs are the devils work, has been indoctrinated to think so and lives in the dark ages. We all know fags and booze can be enjoyed and enhance our lives in moderation or controlled circumstances. That's just because its legal.

And before you start attacking booze, keep your nanny state wet dreams to yourself!!

Certain drugs are controlled by doctors for good reason. Legalizing drugs so the consumer is in control of their own intake is a bad thing. Lots of lives are destroyed due to drugs. People are less productive. More accidents happen. When drug users are out of money, they steal from everybody. Alcohol is a fun drug like many others but don't ignore the damage it does to individuals, families, and society. There's a price to pay for that fun.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Texan77 on February 02, 2019, 07:14:43 PM

Trump pulls out of nuclear arms treaty with Russia. Russia pulls out of same treaty in response. It seem somewhat senseless to be in a nuclear treaty with Russia that does not include China who has an unknown of number of Nuclear weapons and the means to build them very fast.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on February 02, 2019, 08:14:29 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on February 02, 2019, 07:14:43 PM

Trump pulls out of nuclear arms treaty with Russia. Russia pulls out of same treaty in response. It seem somewhat senseless to be in a nuclear treaty with Russia that does not include China who has an unknown of number of Nuclear weapons and the means to build them very fast.

And we do not know the stockpiles of several other countries.

Title: Re: President Trump 4th Trimester abortions?? Infanticide for Virginia
Post by: dcguyusa on February 04, 2019, 04:28:19 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on February 01, 2019, 02:48:38 PM

Virginia governor is talking about a law where they can kill the baby AFTER
it's born if the mother decides to do so.

Virginia is for infanticide?
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/virginia-is-for-infanticide-abortion-bill-leaves-me-shocked-by-whats-going-on-in-my-own-state
(https://cdn.creators.com/589/246774/246774_image.jpg)

Apparently New York thinks that is ok to have 9 month abortions, but Virginia thinks
it's ok to have abortions after the baby is born, which isn't really possible.

(http://www.jewishworldreview.com/carics/cuomo_abortion.jpg)

The Virginia governor has been on the news lately with the black face year book photo. First he admitted to the photo, then had a discussion with other classmates and then said that it was not him in the photo. He said that he did dress up as Michael Jackson and used a small amount of black makeup under his eyes. He currently refuses to step down. Lots of his party members calling for him to resign. Seems like they have all (including the President) decided that it was him in the photo. :-\

Also saw something about some uproar on Cuomo and that he should be excommunicated. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 05, 2019, 02:51:09 AM

Quote from: yankee on February 02, 2019, 08:14:29 PM

Quote from: Texan77 on February 02, 2019, 07:14:43 PM
Trump pulls out of nuclear arms treaty with Russia. Russia pulls out of same treaty in response. It seem somewhat senseless to be in a nuclear treaty with Russia that does not include China who has an unknown of number of Nuclear weapons and the means to build them very fast.

And we do not know the stockpiles of several other countries.

You guys have fallen for the lies - again. You are soooo easy to troll.

This isn't about other countries not being in the treaty. If the U.S was serious about that then they could have initiated a new agreement with the states they wanted to negotiate with. Ripping up an existing agreement makes no sense at all in the context of arms limitation - except in so far as that justification is used to fool you poor benighted USAians.

It is worth noting that the justification that the U.S used in the first place, that Russia was non-compliant is easily given the lie by the fact that the U.S was invited to come and inspect the systems claimed to be non-compliant. The U.S refused the opportunity, chose to ignore the reality, chose to create their own reality, chose to lie to you poor people; at least the rest of us, on the whole, tend to understand what is going on.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 05, 2019, 11:44:40 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 05, 2019, 02:51:09 AM

The U.S refused the opportunity, chose to ignore the reality, chose to create their own
reality, chose to lie to you poor people; at least the rest of us, on the whole, tend to
understand what is going on.

Who benefits from all these lies and ending the treaty?

My understanding of the US Claim is that Russia has been building intermediate range
cruise missiles which is in violation of the treaty.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo:
"Russia has not taken the necessary steps to return to compliance over the last 60 days,
"Pompeo said in a statement. "It remains in material breach of its obligations not to
produce, possess, or flight-test a ground-launched, intermediate-range cruise missile
system with a range between 500 and 5,500 kilometers."

Source
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/02/russia-us-suspend-inf-treaty-amid-new-nuclear-arms-fears.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on February 05, 2019, 12:29:25 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 05, 2019, 02:51:09 AM

You guys have fallen for the lies - again. You are soooo easy to troll.

This isn't about other countries not being in the treaty. If the U.S was serious about that then they could have initiated a new agreement with the states they wanted to negotiate with. Ripping up an existing agreement makes no sense at all in the context of arms limitation - except in so far as that justification is used to fool you poor benighted USAians.

What lies? Why does everything have to be a lie because it doesn't make sense to you? It's the way Trump does business. Everybody should've figured that out now because he rips up agreements often. He ended financial aid for some nations. He ended financial obligations to the UN. Threatens to pull out of NATO. Ends trade agreements. Trump's strategy is to get the other side begging to keep the deal and offering more.

NATO spending increase 100 billion dollars due to Trump's efforts.

https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/nato-head-praises-trump-for-tough-talk-to-member-countries/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 06, 2019, 09:52:07 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on February 05, 2019, 02:51:09 AM

You guys have fallen for the lies - again. You are soooo easy to troll.

This isn't about other countries not being in the treaty. If the U.S was serious about that then they could have initiated a new agreement with the states they wanted to negotiate with. Ripping up an existing agreement makes no sense at all in the context of arms limitation - except in so far as that justification is used to fool you poor benighted USAians.

It is worth noting that the justification that the U.S used in the first place, that Russia was non-compliant is easily given the lie by the fact that the U.S was invited to come and inspect the systems claimed to be non-compliant. The U.S refused the opportunity, chose to ignore the reality, chose to create their own reality, chose to lie to you poor people; at least the rest of us, on the whole, tend to understand what is going on.

You missed the boat on this one FiFi

What good does it do the USA to be in a treaty which limits our production of weapons and doesn't limit China from production of the same class of weapons? The fact that Russia is ignoring the treaty is secondary in this issue.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 07, 2019, 01:07:06 PM

The Democrats Have lost their minds: New Green Deal

Rebuild every single building in the U.S.

Will end all traditional forms of energy in the next ten years.

The Green New Deal is “a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect
of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to
achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions.”

Plans to ban nuclear energy within 10 years if possible.

Build trains across oceans and end all air travel!

Don’t invest in new technology of Carbon Capture and Storage, just plant trees instead!

Mandates all new jobs be unionized.

Read all about it
https://www.atr.org/green-new-deal-air-travel-stops-becoming-necessary

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on February 07, 2019, 03:10:16 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on February 07, 2019, 01:07:06 PM

Read all about it
https://www.atr.org/green-new-deal-air-travel-stops-becoming-necessary

No need to read all about it, that’s just utter nonsense. For their own sakes, I hope the democrats stop the extremism before next year’s elections... they will lose their hats.

We are a fuel-burning nation and that’s all there is to it. I’m down in the Keys right now and I’m routinely seeing boats with 3 and 4 350-horsepower outboards!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on February 07, 2019, 04:16:14 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on February 07, 2019, 03:10:16 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on February 07, 2019, 01:07:06 PM
Read all about it
https://www.atr.org/green-new-deal-air-travel-stops-becoming-necessary

I’m down in the Keys right now and I’m routinely seeing boats with 3 and 4 350-horsepower outboards!

One needs to get the drugs to land or impress the ladies.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Lord of the Dance on February 07, 2019, 05:13:57 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on February 07, 2019, 04:16:14 PM

Quote from: Lord of the Dance on February 07, 2019, 03:10:16 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill on February 07, 2019, 01:07:06 PM
Read all about it
https://www.atr.org/green-new-deal-air-travel-stops-becoming-necessary

I’m down in the Keys right now and I’m routinely seeing boats with 3 and 4 350-horsepower outboards!

One needs to get the drugs to land or impress the ladies.

Quite right.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 08, 2019, 11:37:43 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on February 07, 2019, 01:07:06 PM

Read all about it
https://www.atr.org/green-new-deal-air-travel-stops-becoming-necessary

Typical political trick . . . . . . .

Ask for the moon and end up negotiating for smaller gains
in the direction you want things to go.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 09, 2019, 06:59:30 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 08, 2019, 11:37:43 AM

Typical political trick . . . . . . .

Ask for the moon and end up negotiating for smaller gains
in the direction you want things to go.

Or

Have McConnell tell Pelosi that if she passes it as is, he will put it up for a vote
and let the Dem's show everyone what nutters they are, the Republicans all
vote against it and show everyone who the adults are, then beat the Dem's
over the head with it next election.

Do you know how many Democrat Presidential candidates endorsed it?
(It was at least 7 so far) and others even cosponsored it.

It's a perfect opportunity for the GOP so they won't do it because they
suck at politics.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 13, 2019, 01:01:39 PM

2tallbill becomes Nostradamus. Although I predict that McConnell doesn't
have the eggs to actually follow through with it.

Mitch McConnell is going to force the Senate to vote on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Green New Deal

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Tuesday that the Senate would vote
on the "Green New Deal" introduced by Sen. Edward Markey, D-Mass., and Rep.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., last week.

The proposal, which is not expected to pass the GOP-dominated upper chamber, could
force some Democrats to make a politically awkward calculation. Ocasio-Cortez welcomed McConnell's maneuver, saying that he and the GOP are "terrified of this winning vision of
a just and prosperous future."

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/12/mitch-mcconnell-to-force-the-senate-to-vote-on-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal.html

McConnell Plans To Bring Green New Deal To Senate Vote
http://www.npr.org/2019/02/12/694060405/mcconnell-plans-to-bring-green-new-deal-to-senate-vote

Title: Prepare for the Dem's and the Media to go nutz!!
Post by: 2tallbill on February 15, 2019, 02:45:45 PM

The lefties are going to lose their minds for several days. They
will call Trump a tyrant, a dictator and it will go on and on each
will try to one up the other calling him more and more egregious
things.

Congress OKs Border Deal; Trump Will Sign, Declare Emergency
https://hosted.ap.org/article/34dde5f8a2404e039d6fe819136e92f5/border-security-brawl-seems-near-serene-resolution

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on February 15, 2019, 04:50:23 PM

Quote

President Barack Obama's administration racked up nearly as much debt in eight years than in the entire 232-year history of the country before he took office. He entered with $10.6 trillion in total debt and left with the country owing $19.9 trillion. That's an average tab of $1.16 trillion a year.

Now, that's change we can believe in. (:) :duh: :biggrin: :money:

Quote

The most recent projections from the Congressional Budget Office indicate that debt held by the public will rise to 93 percent of GDP in the next 10 years, or the highest since just after the end of World War II. From there, the level is expected to hit 150 percent by 2049, which is well above what economists consider a sustainable level.

Well, I will not likely be around for the tri-centennial. Good luck to those who will be. :scared0005:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/13/that-22-trillion-national-debt-number-is-huge-but-heres-what-it-really-means.html

Quote

How National Debt Has Grown Since the 1980s

All this after World War II and the Vietnam war???? :duh: (:) :P

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-tax-cuts-deficit-debt-22-trillion-1331623

Title: Trump and laws which regulate emergencies
Post by: 2tallbill on February 15, 2019, 04:54:54 PM

For those who want to know the laws associated with the President declaring an Emergency
here are some links that spell out the rule of law. NOTE: There are additional laws, these
aren't all inclusive, but these links should give you the basics.

http://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/HMAN-112/pdf/HMAN-112-pg1119.pdf

http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title50/chapter34&edition=prelim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act

For those who like to make it up as they go should ignore those links.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on February 19, 2019, 12:56:45 PM

I agree 100%

https://news.yahoo.com/trent-lott-thinks-joe-biden-strongest-democratic-presidential-candidate-100015676.html

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 19, 2019, 04:36:19 PM

Quote from: shakespear on February 19, 2019, 12:56:45 PM

I agree 100%

https://news.yahoo.com/trent-lott-thinks-joe-biden-strongest-democratic-presidential-candidate-100015676.html

I agree too, but don't you think they are going to nominate a left wing socialist kook?
Joe Lieberman would be an excellent democratic candidate but his party left him behind.

Lott liked Kasich in 2016 who was just a carbon copy of Jeb without all the money
both would have lost against Hillary.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on February 22, 2019, 09:22:58 AM

You think the Democrats aren't going to nominate a weirdo radical?

Elizabeth Warren backs reparations for black Americans
https://theweek.com/speedreads/825066/elizabeth-warren-backs-reparations-black-americans

Kamala Harris supports 'Some Type Of' Slavery Reparations

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on February 22, 2019, 12:37:02 PM

The United States is a weird place where turkey regularly vote for Christmas (Thanksgiving). The theme running through the Democrat potential candidate plans, and the plans of their chosen mouthpieces, is all about free stuff. Across the various plans and proposals there's something for pretty much everyone in the voting masses and so, the turkeys will give support to the turkey farmers.

Of course, all this stuff must be paid for, partly in money but also in terms of the freedoms that you lot claim to revere. This is a process that has been going on for many years and seems to only be accelerating.

Seems to me that the Democrats have learned from the Trump campaign in this regard and doubled down. We can also see the manner in which, as happened in the last election, interest groups are being set up and then pitted against each other in a divisive process. Of course, while the Russians got the blame, we are now seeing the strategy manifesting itself in an overt manner and so we can kinda guess who was really pulling the levers during the last election.

My take is that the programs that Trump offered were offered genuinely by a man who believes they are valid and good for the country - not simply from a love for power. The Democrats are doing what TonyBlair did in his battle to become prime minister: offer people free stuff that they are told they want in order that the Labour Party got elected with Blair as PM. There wasn't an ounce of conviction in the Labour manifesto. There's not an ounce of conviction coming from the Democrats here - just a lust for power. This will be another step toward the end of the United States as the country I knew when I was growing up.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 10, 2019, 10:02:31 PM

Attorney General William Barr today told Congress that there was spying on the Trump campaign during the Presidential election of 2016 and that he intends to investigate whether or not it was justified.

While Trump said some foolish things during the campaign it’s exceptionally clear for those who can read, can engage in real critical thinking and who are sane and rational (this excludes Moby and millions like him) that the spying which was ordered against Trump was not justified and furthermore that the whole “Russian collusion” charade was a misguided attempt to thwart the will of the people who elected Trump.

Trump has not only prevailed he’s shown Americans that they elected the right man for the job* and I expect him to win 2020 in a landslide. Meanwhile the Democrats aren’t going to be too happy as it’s going to be their turn to come under the scrutiny of an AG and then an independent counsel, Providence willing.

*with some minor exceptions, although the history of this Presidency is far from being over or written about.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 11, 2019, 08:41:31 AM

As the worm turns. :laugh:

Former Obama Lawyer expected to be indicted soon for his work in Ukraine.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna993311

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 11, 2019, 12:20:01 PM

The Obama administration spied on the Trump campaign
and the media refuse to call it spying

Attorney General William Barr has finally confirmed what has been obvious for
months now - the Obama administration spied on Donald Trump's presidential
campaign. Nothing like this has happened in modern American history.

There is no disputing the points that Barr made, especially the first one. Spying on
a presidential campaign is a big deal, especially when it was authorized by a rival
administration. Just imagine if, a year from now, the Trump administration allowed
the FBI to surveil officials in the Kamala Harris for President campaign.

Imagine if when caught, Trump pointed to opposition research generated by the
Republican National Committee as justification for that surveillance. How would the
media react to that story?

Read about it here
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-the-obama-administration-spied-on-the-trump-campaign-and-the-media-refuse-to-call-it-spying

(https://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/i-spy.jpg)

CNN only cares about evidence if a Democrat is involved
Barr says spying on Trump campaign 'did occur,' but provides no evidence

"I think spying on a political campaign is a big deal," Barr said, echoing some of the more inflammatory claims lobbed by the President for months, but declining to elaborate on his concerns. "I think spying did occur."

Read about it here and see the video
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/10/politics/barr-doj-investiation-fbi-russia/index.html

(https://tvseriesfinale.com/assets/getsmart34a.jpg)

Hit Gas, Not Brakes, On Spygate
I’d be careful about reporting that Obama said there was no wiretapping,” Jon Favreau,
one of Obama’s speechwriters, tweeted out in 2017. Members of the media, loath to let
anything complicate their anti-Trump propaganda, chided him for this unhelpful slip and
he quickly withdrew it, saying that he deferred to James Clapper’s denial of any wiretaps.

But Favreau had already given himself away. In retrospect, the tweet is even more telling
and confirms that knowledge of the spying was widespread at Obama’s White House. If a
White House speechwriter far from the action knew about warrants on Carter Page, Paul
Manafort, and Michael Flynn, who didn’t?

Read all about it here
https://spectator.org/hit-gas-not-brakes-on-spygate/

Bonus points for the first one to correctly identify all three Movies/TV shows
(http://www.britishpictures.com/photos2/pics/mouse.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on April 11, 2019, 05:24:20 PM

First two are way too easy. I Spy (the TV show, not the movie) and Get Smart (the movie, not the TV show). The last I did not see before (looks like Peter Sellers with the glasses, but it could be someone else). Possibly "Doctor Strangelove or How I stopped worrying and learned to love the bomb" or "the Mouse that roared"? (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 11, 2019, 05:52:10 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on April 11, 2019, 05:24:20 PM

First two are way too easy. I Spy (the TV show, not the movie) and Get Smart (the movie, not the TV show). The last I did not see before (looks like Peter Sellers with the glasses, but it could be someone else). Possibly "Doctor Strangelove or How I stopped worrying and learned to love the bomb" or "the Mouse that roared"? (:)

Yes I agree with the first two, and while Peter Sellers did some obscure films I do not recall it. It certainly looks like P. Sellers. My guess is something from Monty Python.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 11, 2019, 07:38:11 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on April 11, 2019, 05:24:20 PM

I Spy (the TV show, not the movie) and Get Smart (the movie, not the TV show). "the Mouse that roared"? (:)

Winner !!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on April 12, 2019, 04:43:51 PM

Just my opinion about the TV show and movies. I never saw the movie version of "I Spy", but did watch the TV show. Usually, most movie remakes of TV shows end up as a dud. A few exceptions are the real actor remakes of the cartoon super heroes. And some of the Sci-Fi movie remakes. I did watch both the "Get Smart" TV show and movie. The movie version did not feel amusing for me. I sold the DVD after one viewing. :Zzzzsleep: I have not seen "Dr. Strangelove" or the "Mouse that roared". I did see the "Prisoner of Zenda" with Peter Sellers (along with his last wife) and I was sure the movie photo scene was not in that movie which had a lot of castle scenery.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on April 12, 2019, 04:46:48 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on April 11, 2019, 05:52:10 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on April 11, 2019, 05:24:20 PM
First two are way too easy. I Spy (the TV show, not the movie) and Get Smart (the movie, not the TV show). The last I did not see before (looks like Peter Sellers with the glasses, but it could be someone else). Possibly "Doctor Strangelove or How I stopped worrying and learned to love the bomb" or "the Mouse that roared"? (:)

Yes I agree with the first two, and while Peter Sellers did some obscure films I do not recall it. It certainly looks like P. Sellers. My guess is something from Monty Python.

Actually, that was my first impression that it had some connection to Monty Python. But then seeing Peter Sellers in the photo, I thought that he was never in a Monty Python show or movie. ???

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 12, 2019, 05:08:07 PM

The Mouse That Roared.
A good movie. One of my favourites as a kid. Then as I grew older I came to understand the subtext.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on April 12, 2019, 08:20:52 PM

DC well done! tiphat

I admit I can not recall much of the series. And I am a big P. Sellers fan.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on April 13, 2019, 08:39:58 AM

The Soviet mob of disgusting and dishonest thugs is hoping to get President Trump’s most recent Supreme Court Justice banned from teaching at George Mason University. Thankfully the University is standing their ground and supporting the Justice.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/clinton-official-george-mason-kavanaugh-allegations.amp

Kavanaugh is set to teach students of the university’s Antonin Scalia Law School next summer in the United Kingdom as a distinguished visiting professor, with the class reportedly having no more spaces left due to overwhelming interest.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 13, 2019, 01:16:09 PM

Enjoy The Mouse That Roared and marvel at the parallels to events of the time (and today). It looks like this is a playlist for the full movie, not a single file.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 18, 2019, 02:46:39 PM

Donald Trump has for many years expressed his vision for the United States. President Trump has made much of those visions reality.

Title: Sleepy Joe Biden
Post by: 2tallbill on April 25, 2019, 12:23:27 PM

Sleepy Joe Biden entered the presidential contest as the 20th Democrat
in the race to the left sweepstakes and leads Socialist Crazy Bernie
by 6 points in the latest poll.

Joe Biden has more than a few skeletons in the closet as the Chinese
delivered payola to his son Hunter Biden, who road on airforce one and
collected A ONE BILLION DOLLAR investment from the Bank of China.

Inside the shady private equity firm run by Kerry and Biden’s kids
http://nypost.com/2018/03/15/inside-the-shady-private-equity-firm-run-by-kerry-and-bidens-kids/

Schweizer Details New Corruption Claims Against Joe Biden
https://www.dailywire.com/news/45307/watch-schweizer-details-new-corruption-claims-james-barrett

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 25, 2019, 01:16:07 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 12, 2019, 05:08:07 PM

The Mouse That Roared.

:knit: :king:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 26, 2019, 04:36:19 AM

Biden's bid shows just how much in disarray the Democrats are right now. It seems to me that having so many candidates is simply going to confuse the sheeple and split the field. As the field narrows down the thinning field will be obliged to take on the whackadoodle policy ideas of their fallen competitors in order to pull in the votes of the voters who previously supported the failures and you'll be left with a platform of madness that folks with half a brain will reject.

Whether Trump is a good or bad president and candidate is hardly relevant right now, all he has to do is watch while the Democrats self-immolate.

I am coming to understand just how the Bush education policy mantra 'no child left behond' manifests itself. It isn't about bringing the followers up to the leaders but rather, the leaders fall back to meet the followers. :'( :hidechair:

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on April 26, 2019, 03:38:57 PM

Quote from: Olga_Mouse on April 25, 2019, 01:16:07 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on April 12, 2019, 05:08:07 PM
The Mouse That Roared.

:knit: :king:

They made a sequel which was about the Space race

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51DSGNY86SL.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on April 26, 2019, 08:09:03 PM

Have to wonder what people are thinking when voting for clowns like these two? :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 27, 2019, 03:51:22 PM

Tom Cat, thinking is not a big part of the way most people make important decisions.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on April 27, 2019, 03:56:52 PM

Thanks for the reminder about The Mouse On The Moon. I had forgotten about it. I should dig it out and rewatch it.

But first, The Avengers - Endgame. ;)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on April 29, 2019, 04:38:39 PM

Fascinating interview at where we have come from, where we are now and where we are likely heading to... Politics, Trump, and Economy.

Kevin Shipp – Arm Yourself, Dark Left Violence is Coming

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 06, 2019, 12:12:19 AM

And NWO Media Heads Exploding...

BAM... https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump?lang=en

Sunday S&P Globex futures gapped sharply down - Fin Media Talking heads already blaming Trump...

Stock market slumps on Trump tweet and Hawkish fed

Stock markets got hammered today as Donald Trump announced sudden plans to increase tariffs on China to 25% from 10%.

Also, the Federal Reserve hawkishness puts a bearish tone in the stock market right as it hit fresh all time highs.

You know the saying - markets don't crash from lows, they crash from highs.

Yet a rational observer sees that Rocketman the ChiComms marionette launches a couple of temper tantrum missiles into the Ocean and the Trump Patriots say OK China - Dragging your feet on De-Nukeing NoKor AND on Finalizing true reciprocal trade - that March moratorium on raising the 10% China tariffs to 25% JUST ENDED.

"Sudden Plans" was a dead NWO Deep State media give away.

increase tariffs on China to 25% from 10%... Predict Democrat Peoples Marxist Socialist Party leftists and NWO Media heads all explode live on Monday Morning news and CNBC Communist News Business Channel all day long.

Point is Trump back on Trump Time counterpunching where it matters.

Let's see how the Motley Fool Top 5 China ETFs (July 2017) do this week - the Markets deal with what is - not Utopian what should be.

iShares China Large-Cap (NYSEMKT:FXI) $3.27 billion

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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 06, 2019, 01:42:30 AM

Meanwhile in the world where we use English and not some mentally disturbed pigin tongue; Trump has been engaged in manipulating the markets because he believes that high numbers are good. He does understand that tarrifs are a tax on the people of the USA and have little to no effect upon China. We know he understands this because he told us that the U.S. economy was doing well due to the tarrif revenues.

Meanwhile, as the Chinese set up supply networks that exclude the United States, farmers are losing their homes and businesses because of Trump's masterful understanding of macroeconomics.

And the United States continues its program of self-isolation. At least USAians will have the fig leaf of blaming everyone else in the world for the isolation they find themselves 'enjoying'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on May 06, 2019, 08:15:37 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 06, 2019, 01:42:30 AM

He does understand that tarrifs are a tax on the people of the USA and have little to no effect upon China. We know he understands this because he told us that the U.S. economy was doing well due to the tarrif revenues.

Meanwhile, as the Chinese set up supply networks that exclude the United States, farmers are losing their homes and businesses because of Trump's masterful understanding of macroeconomics.

Importers to American may be American or from some other country. Importers pay the tax to the American government. Importers may or may not apply the cost to the consumer. If importers raise the price, Americans can avoid the tax by not buying. Most will simply be discouraged from buying Chinese products due to their high price. Importers will then open manufacturing plants in other Asian nations and avoid China.

Trump has taken tariff money and given aid to farmers and other industries hurt during this trade war. Trump is doing what our past weak presidents couldn't do and that is hurt some people's feelings by telling them they have protectionist policies against American products and they steal our intellectual property. When this is over, China will buy more American products and will prosecute those we point out that are stealing or copying our intellectual property. Chinese thieves will have to focus on copying European products instead and leave America's alone. If China doesn't enter into an agreement, America will look for other nations to replace them. When I was a kid, everything was made in Taiwan. Now everything is made in China. That could change again for us.

As for America's economy. It's going strong. The experts who predicted a collapse with a Trump presidency was very wrong. Unemployment is extremely low and it's now hard to find good workers from what's available.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 06, 2019, 10:02:51 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 06, 2019, 01:42:30 AM

Meanwhile in the world where we use English and not some mentally disturbed pigin tongue; Trump has been engaged in manipulating the markets because he believes that high numbers are good. He does understand that tarrifs are a tax on the people of the USA and have little to no effect upon China. We know he understands this because he told us that the U.S. economy was doing well due to the tarrif revenues.

Meanwhile, as the Chinese set up supply networks that exclude the United States, farmers are losing their homes and businesses because of Trump's masterful understanding of macroeconomics.

And the United States continues its program of self-isolation. At least USAians will have the fig leaf of blaming everyone else in the world for the isolation they find themselves 'enjoying'.

Those are legitimate concerns for sure. We’re hoping a deal with the Chinese will get done soon. However it was long overdue that we have a President with the balls to stand up to Chinese theft of intellectual property, etc.

Our economy is very strong overall and getting better. A win win deal with the Chinese will be icing on the cake.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 07, 2019, 10:39:18 AM

Is Trump owed overtime? He’s definitely owed an apology. :chuckle:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/05/06/claiming-two-years-his-presidency-were-stolen-trump-suggests-hes-owed-overtime/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aecd2c71e9cd

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 07, 2019, 03:02:23 PM

Quote

Importers to American may be American or from some other country. Importers pay the tax to the American government. Importers may or may not apply the cost to the consumer. If importers raise the price, Americans can avoid the tax by not buying. Most will simply be discouraged from buying Chinese products due to their high price. Importers will then open manufacturing plants in other Asian nations and avoid China.

Congratulations, you and Trump have a similar level of economics knowledge! (assuming that team Trump were not planning to use tariffs as a revenue source)

Tariffs are effective in just about one scenario alone - to protect a fledgeling industry from established competition. They are ALWAYS a tax on the consumers and businesses of the country imposing the tariffs because the importer will increase prices to cover the increased cost - in full, or in part.

The tariffs imposed by the U.S cannot lead to import substitution because the U.S. no longer has the industries to produce the goods. For almost any kind of modern good, the logistics network (in simpler days a logistics chain) creates dependencies that make it costly to simply relocate production in the short term. The upshot is that you poor mugs are going to pay more for your goodies. You don't have a choice.

The government makes out like bandits because of all the windfall revenue. And here's the kicker: once you have demonstrated a willingness to pay the higher prices your government has imposed when your new bucket comes from Vietnam rather than China, the price will remain at the new high level because you have shown your willingness to pay it.

Do you think that Walmart will reduce prices once you have shown a willingness to pay? Do you think that the Chinese manufacturer who set up his new plant in Vietnam will reduce his prices? Of course, he won't, he will continue to charge higher prices for as long as he can, as long as the market will stand. That tells us that the rational Chinse manufacturer will choose to pay the tariffs, stay in China, charge you more money and wait for tariffs to end at which point his prices will, again, remain high and take the extra profit.

If you are unsure about this, go read a basic economics textbook. If you can't be bothered, take a look at the levels of Chinse exports to the USA - they are increasing, not decreasing. If you and Trump were correct imports from China would be falling. Funny that, eh?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steamer on May 07, 2019, 05:22:23 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 07, 2019, 03:02:23 PM

The upshot is that you poor mugs are going to pay more for your goodies.

We will pay more for our "Chinese" goodies which is the whole point. It stops China from dumping in the US. The sad fact about most people is that we can't pass up a deal and tariffs take away the price difference. When we see a Chinese and a US product at the same price most Americans will go for the US product.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 07, 2019, 06:28:38 PM

Quote from: Steamer on May 07, 2019, 05:22:23 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 07, 2019, 03:02:23 PM
The upshot is that you poor mugs are going to pay more for your goodies.

We will pay more for our "Chinese" goodies which is the whole point. It stops China from dumping in the US. The sad fact about most people is that we can't pass up a deal and tariffs take away the price difference. When we see a Chinese and a US product at the same price most Americans will go for the US product.

Exactly! :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on May 07, 2019, 08:08:00 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 07, 2019, 03:02:23 PM

Congratulations, you and Trump have a similar level of economics knowledge! (assuming that team Trump were not planning to use tariffs as a revenue source)

Thank you for the compliment although you didn't intend it to be one. I'm honored to be put in the same class as a billionaire business man who is running the biggest economy in the world better than most American presidents have done.

Quote from: andrewfi on May 07, 2019, 03:02:23 PM

Tariffs are effective in just about one scenario alone - to protect a fledgeling industry from established competition.

America doesn't have much of an industry in creating cheap junk. Raising tariffs on China's cheap junk will get the manufacture's there to move their factories out of China. America never removed the decades old Chicken tax with applies 25% tariffs on light trucks made by any country. Japanese makes all the light trucks they sell in America creating jobs for Americans. Because tariffs on certain products are only applied if it was made in China, manufactures don't have to come to America but they will leave China and it will hurt China.

Quote from: andrewfi on May 07, 2019, 03:02:23 PM

Do you think that Walmart will reduce prices once you have shown a willingness to pay? Do you think that the Chinese manufacturer who set up his new plant in Vietnam will reduce his prices? Of course, he won't, he will continue to charge higher prices for as long as he can, as long as the market will stand. That tells us that the rational Chinse manufacturer will choose to pay the tariffs, stay in China, charge you more money and wait for tariffs to end at which point his prices will, again, remain high and take the extra profit.

The manufactures aren't always Chinese and if manufactures move to Vietnam, it's because their products won't sell at higher prices. The move to Vietnam will be so the price on their products is appealing and their profits will be higher than if they stayed in Vietnam.

Hasbro and Mattel are American toy companies and are competitors. It won't take them much to figure out what Vietnam will make their toys for and if it shows increased profits and an edge over their competitor staying in China, the hassle of moving will be worth it. Walmart is very aggressive. If a product is to be sold in their stores, they aggressively negotiate for rock bottom prices and they get it because they have the most outlets and internet to sell manufacture's products. Imagine Duracell or Hoover vacuum cleaners trying to play hardball with Walmart. Walmart won't sell their products and their competitors will benefit. Articles written last year for you to digest.

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/2175432/twist-trumps-trade-war-manufacturers-are-fleeing-china-just

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2018/07/30/trade-war-casualties-factories-shifting-out-of-china/#6d93c82b103e

Quote from: andrewfi on May 07, 2019, 03:02:23 PM

The upshot is that you poor mugs are going to pay more for your goodies.

I support Trump in this trade war to balance trade with China and get protections on our intellectual property. I'm willing to pay more now to protect America's future. Good investment IMO. When Trump gets guarantees from China to prosecute and jail individuals and companies we point out as copying our products and stealing our intellectual property, those individuals and companies will turn full attention to copying and stealing from European companies. When Trump is done with his second term, the EU should consider hiring him for his tough negotiation tactics when confronting China about their bad behavior.

Quote from: Steamer on May 07, 2019, 05:22:23 PM

When we see a Chinese and a US product at the same price most Americans will go for the US product.

With higher tariffs, manufactures will leave China and open up factories in countries other than America but when American consumers choose an American product more often than before, it creates American jobs. Trump isn't expecting to bring all the jobs back. That's unrealistic but he will bring some jobs back.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 08, 2019, 10:20:09 AM

Interesting USAwatchdog Interview with Pento Portfolio founder - basically where we have come from economically, where we are now and where we head from here...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 08, 2019, 10:33:40 AM

The irony with Communist Freaking Red China is they are so short sighted and copy everything and then turn out a much lower quality version...

Whereas the Germans, Japanese, Koreans and to some extent Swedes (Volvo) turn out a much higher quality of all products they can earn a profit from which is the type of production and manufacturing we should encourage - not the Communist Freaking Red Chinese slave labor social credit tyranny of the Communist Red Chinese.

Does the UK actually manufacture anything any more or is it all made in China and India with slum dog slave labor - what hypocrisy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 08, 2019, 10:49:05 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 08, 2019, 10:33:40 AM

The irony with Communist Freaking Red China is they are so short sighted and copy everything and then turn out a much lower quality version...

Whereas the Germans, Japanese, Koreans and to some extent Swedes (Volvo) turn out a much higher quality of all products they can earn a profit from which is the type of production and manufacturing we should encourage - not the Communist Freaking Red Chinese slave labor social credit tyranny of the Communist Red Chinese.

Does the UK actually manufacture anything any more or is it all made in China and India with slum dog slave labor - what hypocrisy.

Aston Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover, Bentley and Rolls Royce all come to mind.

https://www.astonmartin.com/en-us

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 08, 2019, 11:06:50 AM

Quote from: Confederate on May 08, 2019, 10:49:05 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 08, 2019, 10:33:40 AM
The irony with Communist Freaking Red China is they are so short sighted and copy everything and then turn out a much lower quality version...

Whereas the Germans, Japanese, Koreans and to some extent Swedes (Volvo) turn out a much higher quality of all products they can earn a profit from which is the type of production and manufacturing we should encourage - not the Communist Freaking Red Chinese slave labor social credit tyranny of the Communist Red Chinese.

Does the UK actually manufacture anything any more or is it all made in China and India with slum dog slave labor - what hypocrisy.

Aston Martin, Jaguar, Land Rover, Bentley and Rolls Royce come to mind.

https://www.astonmartin.com/en-us

Almost all bought and owned and manufactured components in India with some minor final assembly and testing in what is left of UK industry. All rover autos are made in India.

The rich Indians like having a strong relationship with the City of London (Asset Protection) and the UK enjoys the British Empire deference of their Indian subordinates perhaps more so than the uppity Communist Red Chinese.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 09, 2019, 12:04:13 PM

Jim Jordan scorches Democrats.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 09, 2019, 02:05:36 PM

Why do people make stuff up (or choose to present themselves as ignorant?)

Aston Martin cars are designed and manufactured by a publicly owned company based in the UK.
Jaguar and Landrover are British registered businesses, subsidiaries of Tata Group. Vehicles are designed and manufactured in Britain, they are not CKD from India.
The Rover brand is owned by Tata but no cars are built under that brand.
Rolls Royce is owned by BMW, the cars are designed and manufactured in England. There's less than 20% of BMW content in these cars.
Bentley is owned by Volkswagen. The cars are designed and manufactured in Crewe, England.

These cars built in England are British (or English) The same can not be said of many well-known cars and brands in the U.S.
Some current examples:
Jeep Renegade, made in Italy
Buick Regal: Canada & Germany
Chevrolet Equinox: Canada
Dodge Charger: Canada
Dodge Challenger: Canada
Cadillac XTS: Canada
Chevrolet Cruze: Mexico
Chevrolet Silverado: Mexico
Ford Edge: Canada
Chevrolet Trax: Mexico
Ford Transit Connect: Europe
And yes, there's plenty more, but that'll get you started. Whataboutism rocks! :party0031:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 09, 2019, 02:35:28 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 09, 2019, 02:05:36 PM

Why do people make stuff up (or choose to present themselves as ignorant?)

Aston Martin cars are designed and manufactured by a publicly owned company based in the UK.
Jaguar and Landrover are British registered businesses, subsidiaries of Tata Group. Vehicles are designed and manufactured in Britain, they are not CKD from India.
The Rover brand is owned by Tata but no cars are built under that brand.
Rolls Royce is owned by BMW, the cars are designed and manufactured in England. There's less than 20% of BMW content in these cars.
Bentley is owned by Volkswagen. The cars are designed and manufactured in Crewe, England.

These cars built in England are British (or English) The same can not be said of many well-known cars and brands in the U.S.
Some current examples:
Jeep Renegade, made in Italy
Buick Regal: Canada & Germany
Chevrolet Equinox: Canada
Dodge Charger: Canada
Dodge Challenger: Canada
Cadillac XTS: Canada
Chevrolet Cruze: Mexico
Chevrolet Silverado: Mexico
Ford Edge: Canada
Chevrolet Trax: Mexico
Ford Transit Connect: Europe
And yes, there's plenty more, but that'll get you started. Whataboutism rocks! :party0031:

LOLOLOL Curious saw many Rover Autos in the UK and Wheeler Dealers now a hit on MT internet behemoth channel has actually featured them...

Tata Group - Nuf said...

Yes, Fiat bought out the Chrysler/Plymouth parent and are upgrading the styling of some of the Jeeps yet most all Manufactured in North America...

LOL Canada and Mexico are client states of the USA and destined to become stars on the 10X10 field or 100 Futures Stars of the USA Flag and to become members of the emerging Amero empire of North America - neither one has Nukes so they do what they are instructed to do... though we like to make the City of London/Rothschilds-Rockefeller-JPMorgan alliance seem important given their butthurt sensibilities over the lost British Empire so we still allow the Canadian Paper Currency and Coinage to feature busts of Her Majesty until we switch to the US Controlled Amero as the Euro and Pound Sterling implodes - go figure.

We keep holding out olive branches and more recently lifelines to the Brexiteers however the old guard Rule Britannia Empire-ists would rather drown sinking the Empire remnants rather than come along swimmingly. No worries you can keep your Airs of Bloody British Superiority - we find it rather cute and endearing like a Yapping Yorkshire Terrier purse puppy and your Royal Pomp and Circumstance and Brit Humor and Drama Tellie shows are entertaining nostalgia for us and make an interesting tourist experience (Downton Abbey, Buckingham Palace, Tower of London, etc) as long as your Islamists don't begin blowing up our tour buses - take that as a hint.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 11, 2019, 12:13:05 PM

So, cufflinks, because you saw a TV show that features old cars you think that they are still being made. It is a good job that you no longer have any business that involves providing information or analysis.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 12, 2019, 12:00:52 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 11, 2019, 12:13:05 PM

So, cufflinks, because you saw a TV show that features old cars you think that they are still being made. It is a good job that you no longer have any business that involves providing information or analysis.

Rover Dover Clover TataMobilia... whatever - Canada and Mexico are defacto client satellite states of the USA and we have a nostalgic affinity for the memory of all things hip and quaint in Britannia and her client satellite states of Singapore, India, and the Pan African British Commonwealth of Nations... rather perplexing why the Brexit held up now and the USA Trade Treaty olive branch of special Crown access to the North American markets (Similar to BP and BAE etc) has been snubbed by the Anti USA Royals and Pro-ISIS radical islamists in the Parliaments both in London and Brussels as though you lot are doing the USA a favor.

Pride and the British Air of Arrogant Superiority goeth before the fall.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 13, 2019, 04:18:00 AM

What are you burbling about?
Are you losing the ability to use the English language?
If your cognitive issues are due to injury then you have my sympathy. Something similar, but much less serious, happened to me a few years ago. Fortunately I made a full recovery, it was a difficult time though.

If the issue we see is self inflicted then get some help. There are numerous addiction support systems and some a free of charge for the motivated but needy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 14, 2019, 12:31:34 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 13, 2019, 04:18:00 AM

What are you burbling about?
Are you losing the ability to use the English language?
If your cognitive issues are due to injury then you have my sympathy. Something similar, but much less serious, happened to me a few years ago. Fortunately I made a full recovery, it was a difficult time though.

If the issue we see is self inflicted then get some help. There are numerous addiction support systems and some a free of charge for the motivated but needy.

LOLOLOL There you go on again as predictable as Big Ben...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 14, 2019, 12:40:49 AM

China Trade War...

Lets Talk Cars...

I like New Japanese Cars - Highest Quality Most Reliable and Highest Resale Value in the World. One option Fully loaded with all bells and whistles - high volumes keep fully loaded costs competitive and beat cheap nickel dimer competition hands down.

I like New Korean Cars - 100K Mile Warranties bumper to bumper and near Japanese Quality and Reliability.

I like German Cars - great styling and Safety and almost as reliable as the Japanese who have turned quality into a near religion. High-End German Cars are out of the price range of the average consumer but VW has greatly improved quality and reliability and fully loaded with all the options yet cost competitive with Japanese and Korean product.

I would like to buy American yet outside of American Ford, Chevy and Ram trucks designed to take a heavy duty beating and still last 300,000 hard working miles - American cars seem cheap by comparison (Huge Worker Pay, Benefits, Insurances and phat Pensions) forces American Car Companies to cut costs everywhere else using plastic where Germans will use metals. Only saving grace for USA Auto manufacturers is that they are now using Japanese and German Robots to eliminate bad attitude and sloppy union workmanship - Joke was in the USA to you need to learn how to read VIN numbers especially day/date of manufacture and if manufactured on a Monday or Friday - steer clear - Monday was hangover day and Friday was :censored: Phock it lets get outta here and enjoy our weekends day.

Quality suffered greatly on Mondays and Fridays... Not a Problem with Japanese, German and Korea Robotic Car manufacturing - Go Figure.

Chinese Cars, Never Seen One and would not recognize one if it ran me over - unless it was a Buick built in China for the Chinese markets in a GM Japanese Robotics operated uber quality factory.

Every Product I ever bought made in China either quit working in less than six months or was defective in some major way. The Japanese learned after the utter devastation of Japan in WWII that the way to build a world-beating economy was to build world beating quality and reliability fully loaded with all the options for a price the average working family can easily afford, same for VW and Hyundai and KIA.

Not a concept the Brazilians, Russians, Indians, Chinese or South Africans or the rest of Latin America has fully grasped... Chinese being about the worst of the BRICS bunch imo.

Until the Chinese can produce quality on par with Japan and South Korea they will doom themselves with their Good Enough for the CCP (Good enough for Government Work) attitudes.

Until that day arrives the USA has little to fear with our spanking new German and Japanese robot run Car Factories... plus all the many Japanese, Korean and German Car Factories already here capitalizing on our unlimited land, unlimited energy and unlimited demand for their Best in World Class products.

China has a long way to go to be competitive at a world-class level in anything except Tyrannical Suppression (Social Credit Scores and Reeducation Camps etc) of its people.

This is why the Trade War will hurt China much much more than the USA - we have Japan, Korea, and Germany manufacturing already here in the USA to buy from as a Yuuuge alternative supply chain - China not so much.

Do the British even manufacture Affordable and Reliable Cars any more...

Afis List...

These cars built in England are British (or English) - All great Ultra High End Luxury "Motorcars" far beyond the Median Family income in any major Western Countries ability to afford.

Aston Martin cars are designed and manufactured by a publicly owned company based in the UK.
Jaguar and Landrover are British registered businesses, subsidiaries of Tata Group. Vehicles are designed and manufactured in Britain, they are not CKD from India.
The Rover brand is owned by Tata but no cars are built under that brand.
Rolls Royce is owned by BMW, the cars are designed and manufactured in England. There's less than 20% of BMW content in these cars.
Bentley is owned by Volkswagen. The cars are designed and manufactured in Crewe, England.

Title: Re: Mikey's misconceptions
Post by: msmoby on May 15, 2019, 01:04:04 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on May 14, 2019, 12:40:49 AM

Every Product I ever bought made in China either quit working in less than six months or was defective in some major way.

You DO know that Apple phones and tablets a re manufactured in ... China ?

Quote from: cufflinks on May 14, 2019, 12:40:49 AM

Until that day arrives the USA has little to fear with our spanking new German and Japanese robot run Car Factories... plus all the many Japanese, Korean and German Car Factories already here capitalizing on our unlimited land, unlimited energy and unlimited demand for their Best in World Class products.

China has a long way to go to be competitive at a world-class level in anything except Tyrannical Suppression (Social Credit Scores and Reeducation Camps etc) of its people.

I'm guessing FAR more electronics items in the Cuffy household are made in China then he know..

Quote from: cufflinks on May 14, 2019, 12:40:49 AM

This is why the Trade War will hurt China much much more than the USA - we have Japan, Korea, and Germany manufacturing already here in the USA to buy from as a Yuuuge alternative supply chain - China not so much.

Tell that to the US Soya farmers - who will NOT be thanking 'Trampu'

Quote from: cufflinks on May 14, 2019, 12:40:49 AM

Do the British even manufacture Affordable and Reliable Cars any more...

Jags, Range Rovers, Land Rovers, Bentleys, Rolls Royces, Lotus , Formula 1 and Indy cars are mostly built / designed in the UK ;) Honda ( at the mo ) Nisan , Toyota, BMW ( Mini), Aston Martin, Morgan, Ariel, (Atom) , Vauxhall ( ex-GM) - now part of Peugeot group

I HAVE been in Chinese cars - and they tend to be copies of better western / Japanese models and not in the same league for build quality and NVH ( noise vibration harshness control ) ..but they'll learn - fast .. (Lots of Russians bought 'em as taxis and they fall apart FAST )

I have kit made there ... It can be designed by us on a Thursday - the drawings sent and by Monday the Printed circuit boards are back in Cyprus / UK ..not had a reject - yet ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on May 20, 2019, 03:56:07 AM

Cufflinks, do you use a phone or computer?

I bet you know where they were made. So why use lots of words to lie to us?

Here's a secret that many of you in Retardistan have yet to learn: you get what you pay for and the Chinese being expert traders will sell you what you want. You want crap you pay for crap. Many people in Retardistan only want crap so that's what the Chinese, or increasingly their South East Asian subsidiaries will sell you.

If you can afford quality and are willing to pay then the Chinese will sell you goods the like of which are beyond the skills of Retardistanis to emulate.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 20, 2019, 06:51:44 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on May 20, 2019, 03:56:07 AM

Cufflinks, do you use a phone or computer?

I bet you know where they were made. So why use lots of words to lie to us?

Here's a secret that many of you in Retardistan have yet to learn: you get what you pay for and the Chinese being expert traders will sell you what you want. You want crap you pay for crap. Many people in Retardistan only want crap so that's what the Chinese, or increasingly their South East Asian subsidiaries will sell you.

If you can afford quality and are willing to pay then the Chinese will sell you goods the like of which are beyond the skills of Retardistanis to emulate.

So decrees the Lord High Chancellor of British Empire Senilitystan... so senile that they can't accept there is no more British Military Empire and has been replaced by a world Money laundering regime based in the City of London and its global web of offshore Trust and IBC cash Tax haven Islands.

The Chinese are corrupt even more so than Russia and the Stans being the worst... nothing gets done without the required baksheesh payments to poorly paid officials with their needed stamps to move goods of any type anywhere in Stanislandia. Because of this corruption and graft that must be paid by anyone manufacturing anything from gadgets to drugs to foodstuffs, the Chinese freaking cut corners on just about everything.... what is the largest growing market in the rapidly growing Mainland Chinese Middle and Upper Middle Classes - the uber classes being the CCP Politburo and apparatchings as in KaChing graft and corruption monies paid to the endless baksheesh rent-seeking bureaucrats.

Answer - the largest growing demand in China is for US Artisinal Produced Organic products from supplements to foodstuffs - Why? Because the USA Organics movement is quite a rigorous standard to abide by and the wealthy Chinese would rather buy foods for their kids and themselves and their pets that are safe and pure and not made with poisons to cut down the costs of Baby formula, generic meds, supplements and just about anything else.

Curious why the empires best and brightest entrepreneurs from across the Former British Empire set up shop in the USA to capitalize upon their unique brilliance. Clearly, baksheesh and crushing administrative regulations and obscene enegy costs in the UK and EU and the extended Commonwealth empire clearly has its downsides.

As for the extremely insulting and pure evil retardistan comments - this is the vicious inhuman attitude of an elderly drunkard that belies the fact that said same viciousness got the old drunkard a serious Head Banging a few years ago from a vodka-fueled angry lot of similarly insulted locals in Tallinn that smashed his skull with something hard (Vodka Bottle or steel pipe?) and left him to freeze to death in a snow bank knocked out with a serious concussion - the effects of which are every present in the doddering old drunkards vicious meanness that drops the level of discourse on this forum to its lowest most mean common denomeanator. An incredibly low-class level of behavior for any community - even Satanists show more respect to each other.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on May 20, 2019, 06:57:21 AM

Humor...

https://joebiden.info/

Scroll down for disclaimer:

This site is political commentary and parody of Joe Biden's Presidential campaign website. This is not Joe Biden's actual website. It is intended for entertainment and political commentary only and is therefore protected under fair use. It is not paid for by any candidate, committee, organization, or PAC. It is a project BY AN American citizen FOR American citizens. Self-Funded.

All things Creepy Commie loving Crooked old Joe in one place.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 27, 2019, 08:18:32 AM

Trump hopes to make a deal with Japan on trade.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/05/27/trump-says-he-hopes-to-announce-a-trade-deal-with-japan-soon.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on May 27, 2019, 08:20:57 AM

Trump not bothered by North Korea missile tests.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/05/27/donald-trump-japan-trip-shinzo-abe-press-conference-1345031

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 02, 2019, 09:25:46 AM

Border crisis the worst ever.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theepochtimes.com/former-border-patrol-chief-mark-morgan-border-crisis-worst-in-history_2896172.html/amp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 02, 2019, 11:55:08 AM

Trump taking steps to shut down one of the two back doors for China into US Markets (Mexico and then Canada) while Democrat Marxists refuse to ratify the USMCA and to shut down the flow of human trafficking, and deadly opioids and fentanyl and carfentanyl, crystal meth, etc., flooding the USA from Chinese funded and controlled labs in Mexico killing 80,000 young Americans a year and addicting millions - a full-on narco war against the USA.

CNBC June 1, 2019 - Mexico’s president on Saturday hinted his country could tighten migration controls to defuse U.S. President Donald Trump’s threat to impose (5% escalating to 25%) tariffs on Mexican goods, and said he expected “good results” from talks planned in Washington next week.

Trump said on Thursday he will apply the tariffs on June 10 if Mexico does not halt the flow of illegal immigration, largely from Central America, across the U.S.-Mexican border.

His ultimatum hit Mexican financial assets and global stocks, but met resistance from U.S. business leaders and lawmakers worried about the impact of targeting Mexico, one of the United States’ top trade partners.

In a news conference in the Gulf of Mexico port of Veracruz, President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador said Mexico could be ready to step up measures to contain migration in order to reach a deal with the United States.

A Mexican delegation led by Foreign Minister Marcelo Ebrard will discuss the dispute with U.S. officials in Washington on Wednesday, and Lopez Obrador said he expected “good results” from the talks, and for a deal to emerge.

“The main thing is to inform about what we’re already doing on the migration issue, and if it’s necessary to reinforce these measures without violating human rights, we could be prepared to reach that deal,” Lopez Obrador said.

Trump’s threat to inflict pain on Mexico’s economy is the biggest foreign policy test to date for Lopez Obrador and a tall order for Mexican authorities struggling not only to contain migration but also to fight record gang violence.

Mexico’s economy relies heavily on exports to the United States and shrank in the first quarter. Under Trump’s plan, U.S. tariffs that could rise as high as 25% this year.

Lopez Obrador said Mexico would not engage in any trade wars with the United States, but noted that his government had a “plan” in case Trump did apply the tariffs to ensure the country was not impoverished. He did not provide details of the plan.

Also:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/05/31/lawmakers-express-alarm-trump-forges-ahead-with-mexico-tariffs/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.a8a6d4d35afd

On Thursday, Trump announced he would slap a 5 percent tariff beginning June 10 against all goods entering the United States from the southern border, a surcharge that would hit millions of products like cars, machinery, fruits and vegetables. Trump promised the tariffs would escalate each month — starting July 1, reaching a maximum of 25 percent in October — unless Mexico stopped migrants from crossing into the United States.

Despite Trump’s efforts to build a wall along the border and crack down on migration, economic ties between the United States and Mexico have only strengthened. U.S. companies imported $346.5 billion in goods from Mexico last year. The supply chains between the United States and Mexico have been forged over decades and were drawn closer by the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement. Many major manufacturers, including Ford, Caterpillar, Whirlpool and Polaris, make products in Mexico and then ship items to the United States.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 02, 2019, 01:39:04 PM

This IS the SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN THE UK AND THE USA.

The real reason for "Tramp's" visit

Read More Here:
US wants free access to NHS in post-Brexit deal (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/02/us-wants-access-to-nhs-in-post-brexit-deal-ambassador-to-uk-says)

(https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/polopoly_fs/1.6083950.1559470031!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_630/image.jpg)

Woody Johnson on the Andrew Marr show on the BBC

The US ambassador to the UK Woody Johnson has said the National Health Service will be 'on the table' in a future post-Brexit trade deal between America and the United Kingdom.

"Tramp", who gave several interviews to UK papers before his state visit on Monday, has suggested the UK should send the Brexit party leader, Nigel Farage, to negotiate its departure from the EU and has said he hopes Boris Johnson becomes Conservative leader.

IF you have friends like the USA Government
YOU DON'T NEED TO HAVE ENEMIES.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLPHiwHpXwdBfN6KDnStvDKL6vzcre2Wj7UwKuPHzreVdWlJ48KA)

tiphat

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 02, 2019, 02:37:00 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 02, 2019, 01:39:04 PM

[The US ambassador to the UK Woody Johnson has said the National Health Service will be
'on the table' in a future post-Brexit trade deal between America and the United Kingdom.

In your mind what does this mean?

1. Does it mean that Americans buy your health care and fly to the UK and use it all up?
Making it necessary for regular UKers to die in the streets?? !!?

2. Does it mean that the US can sell Xanax to over anxious UK women if prescribed by a doctor?

Whatever it means it's not the end of the world.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 02, 2019, 04:09:39 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on June 02, 2019, 02:37:00 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 02, 2019, 01:39:04 PM
[The US ambassador to the UK Woody Johnson has said the National Health Service will be
'on the table' in a future post-Brexit trade deal between America and the United Kingdom.

In your mind what does this mean?

1. Does it mean that Americans buy your health care and fly to the UK and use it all up?
Making it necessary for regular UKers to die in the streets?? !!?

2. Does it mean that the US can sell Xanax to over anxious UK women if prescribed by a doctor?

Whatever it means it's not the end of the world.

NHS IN UK = NATIONAL HEALTH SERVICE AND ITS FREE AT THE POINT OF DELIVERY.

It is not perfect because the Conservatives have decided since the Thatcher' years to Privatise it but it still provides a good service.

Ah sorry Bill, I forgot that you American's don't like any Socialistic Invention that it's FREE and cover everybody in the country because you like to pay..... to keep the Pharmaceutical companies in business.

It is well known fact when Privatisation take place of a public service the costs sky rocket. and the poor people in this country can't afford expensive Private Health Insurance.

We had plenty of Privatisations in this country and most of them end up been subsidised by the state.

REM the UK does not need the USA to survive and your President Tramp (Don Korleone) will be disappointed........ with the reception .....flying around with his Helicopter... he will be able to see the people on the ground.......making him welcome.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 03, 2019, 03:16:20 AM

Not too often I agree with Wiz, ( do not agree with the Tories threatening the NHS..they made it more efficient)

But, the likes of Farage are talking up US style Insurance funded care...

I wonder how many Muppets who support him realise?

Hands off our NHS Medicare cos...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on June 03, 2019, 08:35:15 AM

Bill, that's not true. A problem of not knowing stuff.

The US has, before now, pressured the British government to change the way in which the NHS is structured such that USAian health providers might be able to operate Britain health care services. Of course this is wrapped up in the verbiage of free trade and open markets. The reality is that USAian businesses could only operate if the NHS moved to an insurance based, commercial system.

We can already buy all the xanax that we need, thank you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 03, 2019, 09:02:38 AM

With bungholes like the Wizzbanger and the London Khan-man we need to treat the UK less like a major 5 eyes Global Anglo speaking ally and more like China and Mexico - completely hostile towards the USA...

@realDonaldTrump
7h7 hours ago

.@SadiqKhan, who by all accounts has done a terrible job as Mayor of London, has been foolishly “nasty” to the visiting President of the United States, by far the most important ally of the United Kingdom. He is a stone cold loser who should focus on crime in London, not me...... ...Kahn reminds me very much of our very dumb and incompetent Mayor of NYC, de Blasio, who has also done a terrible job - only half his height. In any event, I look forward to being a great friend to the United Kingdom and am looking very much forward to my visit. Landing now!

###

Lets see how badly the Royals and Mizz May disrespect President Trump and the USA - sometimes I think it would serve Britain - populated by a massive number of Marxist Socialist immigrant WIZZbangers - right to return to subordinate tribute to the EU's dominant 4th Reich Junkers rulers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 03, 2019, 09:30:54 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 03, 2019, 09:02:38 AM

With bungholes like the Wizzbanger and the London Khan-man we need to treat the UK less like a major 5 eyes Global Anglo speaking ally and more like China and Mexico - completely hostile towards the USA...

Just for you, Mikey !

(https://tinyurl.com/just4cuffy)

At least Khan was elected by a majority vote of voters - unlike 'Trampu' ...

Well done, Khan for seeking ( and getting support, overall ) for flying the Baby Blimp

Mikey: your man has told us:

"I guess when they put out blimps to make me feel unwelcome, no reason for me to go to London,"

and ..

"I used to love London as a city. I haven’t been there in a long time. But when they make you feel unwelcome, why would I stay there?"

So WHY ? ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 03, 2019, 12:29:55 PM

“Khan is a stone cold loser” :laugh:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/06/03/world/europe/trump-khan-uk-buckingham.amp.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on June 03, 2019, 12:32:59 PM

Trump is 100% right about the little jumped up arrogant chimp presently the mayor of London..

Maybe he should keep his stupid little nose out of Trumps business and either do two things..

1. Go back to driving buses for London transport.

2. Concentrate on making London a safer city, considering it is heading for the murder capital of the world!!

As usual another double standard hypercritical little retard!

But then he does say "Living with terror is all part of the parcel of living in a big city " What a stupid **** bus driver!!

Until the shoe is on the other foot ...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sadiq-khan-24-hour-police-075900121.html

Yea!!! He was voted by a majority!! No wonder no bloody English left in Londanistan!! :laugh: Half the Middle East now lives in the shit hole..

(https://scontent.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/20139595_10210277652074445_8819872169192645012_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent.fhel3-1.fna&oh=23f708c972eaa12f729d8222b7eb8ef2&oe=5D9572E2)

Fix that first khan you TURD!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 03, 2019, 12:37:46 PM

Some real news just for the Mobster and WIZZpisser...

Donald J. Trump
Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
18m18 minutes ago
More
As a sign of good faith, Mexico should immediately stop the flow of people and drugs through their country and to our Southern Border. They can do it if they want!

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Donald J. Trump
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Russia has informed us that they have removed most of their people from Venezuela.

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Donald J. Trump
‏

Donald J. Trump
Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
48m48 minutes ago
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London part of trip is going really well. The Queen and the entire Royal family have been fantastic. The relationship with the United Kingdom is very strong. Tremendous crowds of well wishers and people that love our Country. Haven’t seen any protests yet, but I’m sure the.... ....Fake News will be working hard to find them. Great love all around. Also, big Trade Deal is possible once U.K. gets rid of the shackles. Already starting to talk!

4,078 replies 6,162 retweets 27,701 likes
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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 03, 2019, 01:02:58 PM

Amazon Plunges Below Key Technical Support As FTC Launches Anti-Trust Probe
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by Tyler Durden
Mon, 06/03/2019 - 10:20
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-06-03/google-amazon-face-new-pressure-after-revamp-us-antitrust-agencies
Update: Reports that the Trump Administration has launched a multi-pronged anti-trust battle against big tech, with the FTC taking jurisdiction over Amazon and DoJ taking on Google parent Alphabet, has sent Amazon shares sliding below their 200-day DMA.

BOOM!

<Insert Ron Paul its Happening Gif here>

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 03, 2019, 07:37:27 PM

Trump making waves on UK visit!

21 photos of state visit.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/world/2019/6/3/18650873/trump-state-banquet-buckingham-palace-photos-pictures

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Steveboy on June 03, 2019, 10:40:31 PM

Do you know when the saudi lot arrive there is not a champaign socialist anywhere to be seen demonstrating ...where are all the liberal demonstrators? the big balloon floating around like they have for Trump? No where to be seen.. :laugh:

These rag heads from their medieval countries with disgusting human rights records are treated like royalty..

They can do what they want!! Even send a private jet with a hit squad to another country and cut some one up in pieces.. and everyone just brushes it under the table.. :ROFL: No sanctions and no demonstrations..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 04, 2019, 08:03:58 AM

Ten years from now the last of our UK and North American D-Day heroes will likely be laid to rest for eternity as most were in their late teens and early 20s on those fateful days and now most between 95 and some over 100. The question now is Europe still worth defending with their present-day Marxists inviting invasions from 3rd world diseased Christian Hating Islamists and other assorted masses of low IQ sub-saharans who will never able to be productive in the UK and EU's Modern Knowledge-based economies?

The White House
‏Verified account
@WhiteHouse
17h17 hours ago

"This evening, we thank God for the brave sons of the United Kingdom and the United States, who defeated the Nazis and the Nazi regime, and liberated millions from tyranny. The bond between our nations was forever sealed in that great crusade."

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 04, 2019, 08:19:12 AM

Even that T@at 'Trampu' couldn't have dreamy up that bollox, Mikey

I know you don't pay too much attention to the make up of govts in Germany, UK France - they hardly 'Marxist' - unless your name is McCarthy - now THERE was a wack job

The UK will only need defending - if it was STUPID enough to do a trade deal with the US ..

(http://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/i1BueupV_fZA/v0/740x-1.png)

Like leaving the biggest trading block and cozying up to a protectionist US President would be 'wise'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 04, 2019, 09:13:05 AM

Trump's UK 2019 trip summary:

On Brexit: "I think it will happen and I believe the prime minister has brought it to a very good point where something will take place in the not too distant future."

On a future US-UK trade deal: "...the United States is committed to a phenomenal trade deal between the US and the UK. There is tremendous potential in that trade deal - I say probably two and even three times what we are doing right now."

On Chinese firm Huawei: "We are going to have absolutely an agreement on Huawei and everything else. We have an incredible intelligence relationship."

On protests: "...I heard that there were protests. I said where are the protests? I don’t see any protests, I did see a small protest today when I came, very small, so a lot of it is fake news."

On defence: "The prime minister and I agree that our Nato allies must increase their defence spending, we've both been working very hard to that end."

On Corbyn: He wanted to meet today or tomorrow and I decided that I would not do that. I think that he is, from where I come from, somewhat of a negative force."

On the state banquet: "We want to thank her majesty the Queen, who I had a lovely dinner with last night."

Title: Re: President Trump - Mikey as deluded as 'Trampu'
Post by: msmoby on June 04, 2019, 10:21:20 AM

On Brexit: "I think it will happen and I believe the prime minister has brought it to a very good point where something will take place in the not too distant future."

Ri-ight - let's see any new PM try to get 'no deal' agreed by Parliament

On a future US-UK trade deal: "...the United States is committed to a phenomenal trade deal between the US and the UK. There is tremendous potential in that trade deal - I say probably two and even three times what we are doing right now."

It would have to be - given the HUGE difference, now - and WHY would the UK be the exception to 'America first' - WHO ( seriously ) believes ANYTHING from his meandering go and tweets ?

On Chinese firm Huawei: "We are going to have absolutely an agreement on Huawei and everything else. We have an incredible intelligence relationship."

))) No, you're not - 'we' are not going to help you in your daft trade war with China ... I have a Huawei router for my internet, and mobile data modem and am not worried - at all - about spyware ... Perhaps GCHQ and some govt depts will use CISCO kit to shut 'Trampu' up - which the Yanks can pay for - and give him a 'win' ;)

On protests: "...I heard that there were protests. I said where are the protests? I don’t see any protests, I did see a small protest today when I came, very small, so a lot of it is fake news." Actually he might be 'right' - there were very few folk on the Mall to greet him - neither for or against - FEW people.. in dramatic contrast to 'O'bama' - the protesters were kept WELL away - but I'm sure he saw Baby Blimp ! ;)

On defence: "The prime minister and I agree that our Nato allies must increase their defence spending, we've both been working very hard to that end."

Again probably true - but who is going to pay too much attention to a lame duck Brit PM or 'Trampu' ?

On Corbyn: He wanted to meet today or tomorrow and I decided that I would not do that. I think that he is, from where I come from, somewhat of a negative force."

))) As we already know Corbyn - and many other UK political leaders- didn't want to meet 'Trampu' - so the' revenge' really IS fake news . God help us if these two are serving at the same time - which could happen -f any Tory leader tried to call an election and Corbyn became leader of a coalition of Remain parties

On the state banquet: "We want to thank her majesty the Queen, who I had a lovely dinner with last night."

I'm sure the Queen was perfectly polite - she has a long history of having to grin and bear it when dealing with guests her govt want invited ...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 04, 2019, 10:36:30 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 04, 2019, 08:03:58 AM

Ten years from now the last of our UK and North American D-Day heroes will likely be laid to rest for eternity as most were in their late teens and early 20s on those fateful days and now most between 95 and some over 100. The question now is Europe still worth defending with their present-day Marxists inviting invasions from 3rd world diseased Christian Hating Islamists and other assorted masses of low IQ sub-saharans who will never able to be productive in the UK and EU's Modern Knowledge-based economies?

Absolutely not!

Let them eat cabbage soup and the occasional potato for the rest of their lives!

Since they love to lecture the USA about gun control let them die by the knives of their Sharia masters!

Let their daughters convert and have 7 Muslim offspring apiece!

No salvation from Uncle Sam for the lot of them!!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 04, 2019, 04:10:51 PM

Quote from: Steveboy on June 03, 2019, 10:40:31 PM

Do you know when the saudi lot arrive there is not a champaign socialist anywhere to be seen demonstrating ...where are all the liberal demonstrators? the big balloon floating around like they have for Trump? No where to be seen.. :laugh:

These rag heads from their medieval countries with disgusting human rights records are treated like royalty..

They can do what they want!! Even send a private jet with a hit squad to another country and cut some one up in pieces.. and everyone just brushes it under the table.. :ROFL: No sanctions and no demonstrations..

I feel your pain. It’s the same here. Liberals whine about Trump being allegedly a sexist “misogynistic” blah blah blah. But then you ask, what about Muhammad who beats his wife? And that’s off limits.

Typical double standard. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 04, 2019, 04:20:54 PM

LOL! Trump tweeting robot on a toilet!

Gotta love western democracy!

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/06/04/giant-trump-robot-on-toilet-put-up-by-london-protesters.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 05, 2019, 01:38:04 AM

Quote from: Cornfed on June 04, 2019, 04:10:51 PM

I feel your pain. It’s the same here. Liberals whine about Trump being allegedly a sexist “misogynistic” blah blah blah.
Typical double standard. :coffeeread:

Cornfed,

Trump is a misogynist

From a 'liberal' UK journal - the Telegraph..

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/)

"Fat. Pig. Dog. Slob. Disgusting animal. These are just some of the names that Donald Trump has called women.

The President of the United States has been widely called out for his objectification of women - he has a tendency to criticise them for their looks - and sexist remarks.

From saying no one would vote for his former rival Carly Fiorina because of her face to suggesting that women should be "punished" for having abortions and "joking" that he'd date his daughter... you really couldn't make this stuff up."

Ooops .. busted on THAT front ..

Quote from: Cornfed on June 04, 2019, 04:10:51 PM

But then you ask, what about Muhammad who beats his wife? And that’s off limits.

Whether it's Mo or Joe - it's hardly 'off limits' - if their partners make an accusation - hopefully ..

Just giving you a gentle nudge to remind you of the real world away from your screen ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 06, 2019, 08:47:28 AM

MAFIA's DON TRAMP FAMILY ON
A HOLIDAY TO LONDON

Here is a very interesting article, from the GUARDIAN, for our American friends, with a lot of links to photos etc which you should check and enjoy reading it.

What we learned from the Trump family’s London vacation (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/09/07/the-death-and-life-of-atlantic-city)

There must have been reasons for Eric, Donnie Jr, Tiffany and the rest to have accompanied the president on his state visit. Does the answer lie in their social media postings?

I’m glad that you have emphasised that this was the Trump family’s state visit, as opposed to just the president’s, because this was very much – I just need to cue up Sly and the Family Stone – a family affairrrrr! Zzzzip! Record scratch!

Sorry, that was a bad booking for this party, given that, according to the New Yorker, (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/09/07/the-death-and-life-of-atlantic-city) whenever the man now improbably known as President Trump would visit his casino in New Jersey, “the bosses would order all the black people off the floor”. So come on, Stones: you can leave through the fire exit, and be quick about it, please. This is a presidential issue.

CLICK THE TITLE of the article above ... to read all.

(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2019-06/3/19/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web-04/sub-buzz-6735-1559604930-1.jpg?downsize=1200:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto)

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 06, 2019, 11:37:34 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8WwF3zXUAYg7rs.jpg)

https://twitter.com/hashtag/DDay75thAnniversary?src=hash

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 06, 2019, 11:42:39 AM

So, 'Trampu's' latest unthinking FAIL is to penalise the very people American values support.. Entrepreneurs..

Does this Muppet have a clue about Iran and Cubu? Their govts would be weakened by outside contact...and trade..

Once again Trampu and some wacko 'advisers' have played a blinder..

Far better to let the Cuban govt haemorrhage money 'helping' Venezuela's non recognised govt..

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/05/us-bans-cruise-ships-cuba-warning-support-venezuela-regime/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/05/us-bans-cruise-ships-cuba-warning-support-venezuela-regime/)

Will defo charter a non US yacht and make Cuba a stop off and think of Mikey ( Cuffy) and 'Trampu'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 06, 2019, 11:48:21 AM

So Mikey...you see no irony in 'Trampu' the draft Dodger's tweet ?

BTW..it was..American, British and Canadian troops but also included Australian, Belgian, Czech, Dutch, French, Greek, New Zealand, Norwegian, Rhodesian and Polish naval, air or ground support.

Have a nice day

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 06, 2019, 12:08:05 PM

Quote from: msmoby on June 05, 2019, 01:38:04 AM

Quote from: Cornfed on June 04, 2019, 04:10:51 PM

I feel your pain. It’s the same here. Liberals whine about Trump being allegedly a sexist “misogynistic” blah blah blah.
Typical double standard. :coffeeread:

Cornfed,

Trump is a misogynist

From a 'liberal' UK journal - the Telegraph..

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/)

"Fat. Pig. Dog. Slob. Disgusting animal. These are just some of the names that Donald Trump has called women.

The President of the United States has been widely called out for his objectification of women - he has a tendency to criticise them for their looks - and sexist remarks.

From saying no one would vote for his former rival Carly Fiorina because of her face to suggesting that women should be "punished" for having abortions and "joking" that he'd date his daughter... you really couldn't make this stuff up."

Ooops .. busted on THAT front ..

Terms of endearment! :chuckle:

Grow up Moby, they’re all dirty one way or another.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 07, 2019, 01:02:00 AM

MOBY

That is for you and your American friend who thinks " They are all dirty."

(https://2vwlfu3ynqxb3npfhm3m8lde-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/trump-robot.jpg)

Enjoy the view

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 07, 2019, 04:36:14 AM

As is the norm with you Wiz...I have no idea WHAT you are talking about?

Perhaps you are referring to yet another off board event?

If so, you are really creepy..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 07, 2019, 09:43:48 AM

So looks like Mexico will pay for the Effing Wall after all...

As the Cartels are parasites upon the Host (Nation of Mexico) last thing the cartels want to see is the Host economy drastically collapse... also I was not aware that the USA imports from Mexico are approx $360 Billion a year worth of goods agricultural and manufactured (Auto Parts and fully assembled Autos etc) from Mexico - Last I checked Mexico basically only imports WalMart stuff from the USA (Mostly Made in China with the occasional roboticized baby diaper and toilet paper factory in the southern USA). The irony is with just 5% tariffs on $360B equals $18 Billion a year and 10% = $36 Billion a year - and damn if El jeffe Don Trumpismo el Hermano Orange Grande esta mucho correcto - Mexico, in fact, will pay for the effing wall that Vicente Fox former corrupt Coca Cola Exec and former President of Mexico said they would not effing pay... This is actually more tariffs leverage over Mexico than the USA has over China or the EU. Who else will buy all this stuff from Mexico?

What's worse is the surge in illegal border crossers with help of the DNC, Soros Funded NGOs and UN Agency for Refugees is now at an all-time high up 34% from just April to May of this year... Central American radio stations broadcasting instructions how to apply for full ride welfare benefits (Housing, Medical, Food, EBT & WIC, Obamaphones, jobs training programs, schools for their kids etc etc) life in a US Ghetto is far better than life in a tin roof dirt floor shack in Honduras, Guatemala or El Salvador especially if you mule drugs and cash in and out of the USA to Mexico for the Cartels as a side hustle.

Wednesday’s announcement by Customs and Border Protection of a significant surge in border crossings was meant to put pressure on the Mexican government to meet Mr. Trump’s demands. More than 144,200 migrants were arrested and taken into custody along the southwestern border in May, a 32 percent increase from April and the highest monthly total in 13 years. Most crossed the border illegally, while about 10 percent arrived without the proper documentation at ports of entry along the border.

(https://ktar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/ap_9ca4e9c6aa1643208627a4c035468436-294x463.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump - thick twat
Post by: msmoby on June 07, 2019, 02:23:55 PM

Trump attacks Nasa and claims the moon is 'a part' of Mars

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/jun/07/trump-moon-is-part-of-mars-tweet-nasa? (https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/jun/07/trump-moon-is-part-of-mars-tweet-nasa?)

'Walls and borders' on the Irish border ?

This has been a spectacular week for 'Trampisms'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 07, 2019, 04:40:47 PM

Dear Cufflinks

You are talking to the converted and the wind.........wasting your breath and time, giving out false information. For your information, second hand car dealers are more clever than you.

Today I come across a very nice TV station in Florida TRUNEWS.... where they are not talking about Christianity ONLY but also for a lot of other important things... like Politics and appears they don't like the current USA Mafia Government and your president "TRAMP", protector of Israhell........They also revealed some very interesting things about your Mafia Family! :ROFL:

Trump OKs advanced bomb parts to be built in Saudi

And Putin and Xi Plot Alliance Against U.S. Dollar!

Of course AlJazeera informs the world about Tramp's Business ...... :laugh:

(https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2019/2/20/737ec37147104fd1a887725d64fac9bd_18.jpg)

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/trump-oks-advanced-bomb-parts-built-saudi-nyt-190607175432580.html

Very enjoyable and entertaining......early morning......start.

When you wake up.........I will be listen again to you! :dh:

Confederate

Pay attention what they are disclosing and I was suspecting for long time.......
you will love your mafia president after that..........Clinton .... was/is a mental case,
that's why Billy needed the services of his assistant Monica.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 07, 2019, 05:52:47 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 07, 2019, 04:40:47 PM

Dear Cufflinks

You are talking to the converted and the wind.........wasting your breath and time, giving out false information. For your information, second hand car dealers are more clever than you.

Today I come across a very nice TV station in Florida TRUNEWS.... where they are not talking about Christianity ONLY but also for a lot of other important things... like Politics and appears they don't like the current USA Mafia Government and your president "TRAMP", protector of Israhell........They also revealed some very interesting things about your Mafia Family! :ROFL:

Trump OKs advanced bomb parts to be built in Saudi

And Putin and Xi Plot Alliance Against U.S. Dollar!

Of course AlJazeera informs the world about Tramp's Business ...... :laugh:

(https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2019/2/20/737ec37147104fd1a887725d64fac9bd_18.jpg)

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/06/trump-oks-advanced-bomb-parts-built-saudi-nyt-190607175432580.html

Very enjoyable and entertaining......early morning......start.

When you wake up.........I will be listen again to you! :dh:

Confederate

Pay attention what they are disclosing and I was suspecting for long time.......
you will love your mafia president after that..........Clinton .... was/is a mental case,
that's why Billy needed the services of his assistant Monica.

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

1. Can China and Russia crash the US dollar? I really don’t know but it seems to me it would hurt Europe pretty bad. Perhaps experts Andy and B/B can comment on this. BTW where is B/B?

2. China was also helping the Saudis so Trump might be trying to circumvent that.

3. What does any of this have to do with Bill Clinton? You lost me.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 07, 2019, 06:36:38 PM

Quote from: Confederate on June 07, 2019, 05:52:47 PM

1. Can China and Russia crash the US dollar? I really don’t know but it seems to me it would hurt Europe pretty bad. Perhaps experts Andy and B/B can comment on this. BTW where is B/B?

2. China was also helping the Saudis so Trump might be trying to circumvent that.

3. What does any of this have to do with Bill Clinton? You lost me.

Did you watch it all , as was very long?

1: Almost every $ Russia is getting from their trade of selling natural resources .... they are holding very small $ reserves and use the majority to buy Gold and stabilised their Ruble....... When Russia went to Syria....the Ruble was attacked by the speculators....and now has stabilised at around £1 = 80-90 Rubles. Russia prefers to be paid with Euro and any other Currency instead of Dollars.

China Has 1/2 trillion American Gov Bonds.....and if it starts off loading then will create a huge problems not only for USA but the whole world.

2. China needs Oil so was getting it from Saudi Arabia.....and was paying with Dollars.

3. Israel is doing a lot of Money laundering........and Clinton was in their pockets.......and the nice Jew girl sacrificed her nice blue dress.

Going to sleep........

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on June 07, 2019, 06:45:57 PM

There are reports that many migrants crossing the border are Africans. So we will have to enact tariffs on African countries too. :duh: (:)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 07, 2019, 06:53:14 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on June 07, 2019, 06:45:57 PM

There are reports that many migrants crossing the border are Africans. So we will have to enact tariffs on African countries too. :duh: (:)

No, not necessary.

It’s still Mexico who is the transit country.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 08, 2019, 09:17:11 AM

What you won't see on mainstream media

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 08, 2019, 12:06:29 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 07, 2019, 06:36:38 PM

Quote from: Confederate on June 07, 2019, 05:52:47 PM
1. Can China and Russia crash the US dollar? I really don’t know but it seems to me it would hurt Europe pretty bad. Perhaps experts Andy and B/B can comment on this. BTW where is B/B?

2. China was also helping the Saudis so Trump might be trying to circumvent that.

3. What does any of this have to do with Bill Clinton? You lost me.

Did you watch it all , as was very long?

1: Almost every $ Russia is getting from their trade of selling natural resources .... they are holding very small $ reserves and use the majority to buy Gold and stabilised their Ruble....... When Russia went to Syria....the Ruble was attacked by the speculators....and now has stabilised at around £1 = 80-90 Rubles. Russia prefers to be paid with Euro and any other Currency instead of Dollars.

China Has 1/2 trillion American Gov Bonds.....and if it starts off loading then will create a huge problems not only for USA but the whole world.

2. China needs Oil so was getting it from Saudi Arabia.....and was paying with Dollars.

3. Israel is doing a lot of Money laundering........and Clinton was in their pockets.......and the nice Jew girl sacrificed her nice blue dress.

Going to sleep........

tiphat

Wiz,
When you keep it simple you often are spot on!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 08, 2019, 02:43:21 PM

To the Demented Yank Haters like Wizzbanger and his Mashed brains - this is what Nigel Farage will be doing with the EU Brexit while we Coordinate with the patriotic Brexiteers on the EU attitude correction trade negotiations - This is what happens when you negotiate from Strength - read em and weep MFers...

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I would like to thank the President of Mexico, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, and his foreign minister, Marcelo Ebrard, together with all of the many representatives of both the United States and Mexico, for working so long and hard to get our agreement on immigration completed!

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Everyone very excited about the new deal with Mexico!

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Nervous Nancy Pelosi & the Democrat House are getting nothing done. Perhaps they could lead the way with the USMCA, the spectacular & very popular new Trade Deal that replaces NAFTA, the worst Trade Deal in the history of the U.S.A. Great for our Farmers, Manufacturers & Unions!

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MEXICO HAS AGREED TO IMMEDIATELY BEGIN BUYING LARGE QUANTITIES OF AGRICULTURAL PRODUCT FROM OUR GREAT PATRIOT FARMERS!

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Mexico will try very hard, and if they do that, this will be a very successful agreement for both the United States and Mexico!

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Brandon Judd, National Border Patrol Council: “That’s going to be a huge deal because Mexico will be using their strong Immigration Laws - A game changer. People no longer will be released into the U.S.” Also, 6000 Mexican Troops at their Southern Border. Currently there are few!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 08, 2019, 03:32:04 PM

More Proof that the UK is full of active Yank Haters and Anti Americans:

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2019/06/07/mexico-withholds-identities-of-migrant-caravan-funders-in-u-s-britain/

Mexico Withholds Identities of Migrant Caravan Funders in U.S., Britain

Mexican authorities are not releasing the names of the 26 individuals and entities whose assets were frozen as part of a new probe into migrant caravans and cartel-linked human smuggling organizations. The investigation was moved into high gear this week as tensions between the U.S. and Mexico escalated over tariff threats as a punitive measure for lax immigration enforcement.

On Thursday, Mexico’s Finance and Tax Secretariat (SHCP) announced the seizure of 26 accounts, including some from the United Kingdom and the U.S., which allegedly helped fund the northbound migrant caravans largely from Central America. Diplomatic sources consulted by Breitbart News revealed the probe is personally led by UIF Director Santiago Nieto Castillo, who directly briefs Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador.

The SHCP’s Financial Intelligence Unit (UIF) tracked suspicious transactions beginning in October 2018 to determine the sources of funding for the caravans. The results reportedly pointed to some monies coming from the U.S., U.K., African nations, and throughout Central America. Diplomatic sources revealed the investigation is still developing since the case was prioritized Monday as tensions over tariffs escalated.

Law enforcement sources revealed to Breitbart News that the UIF investigation found four sanctioned accounts linked to human smuggling groups loyal to cartels in border cities. Two accounts were traced to Piedras Negras with links to the Cartel Del Noreste faction of Los Zetas and an independent smuggler in that area. Two other accounts exhibit ties to Gulf Cartel operators in Reynosa, Tamaulipas.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 08, 2019, 06:48:16 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on June 08, 2019, 12:06:29 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 07, 2019, 06:36:38 PM
Quote from: Confederate on June 07, 2019, 05:52:47 PM
1. Can China and Russia crash the US dollar? I really don’t know but it seems to me it would hurt Europe pretty bad. Perhaps experts Andy and B/B can comment on this. BTW where is B/B?

2. China was also helping the Saudis so Trump might be trying to circumvent that.

3. What does any of this have to do with Bill Clinton? You lost me.

Did you watch it all , as was very long?

1: Almost every $ Russia is getting from their trade of selling natural resources .... they are holding very small $ reserves and use the majority to buy Gold and stabilised their Ruble....... When Russia went to Syria....the Ruble was attacked by the speculators....and now has stabilised at around £1 = 80-90 Rubles. Russia prefers to be paid with Euro and any other Currency instead of Dollars.

China Has 1/2 trillion American Gov Bonds.....and if it starts off loading then will create a huge problems not only for USA but the whole world.

2. China needs Oil so was getting it from Saudi Arabia.....and was paying with Dollars.

3. Israel is doing a lot of Money laundering........and Clinton was in their pockets.......and the nice Jew girl sacrificed her nice blue dress.

Going to sleep........

tiphat

Wiz,
When you keep it simple you often are spot on!

He had to answer it that way because that’s how I framed it to him! tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 09, 2019, 12:44:44 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8nxVeBV4AEW1Cs.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 09, 2019, 03:21:27 PM

The international Criminal Don's
planning more murders!

(https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2019/2/20/737ec37147104fd1a887725d64fac9bd_18.jpg)

(https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2019/05/26/15/facebook-kate-kretz.jpg?w968)

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e0b486233f1e492eb4fdded552f342aa4ba2e13f/0_74_6000_3600/master/6000.jpg?width=980&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=c006d22dd0800111605b0eab68815c4a)

Teflon Don: How Trump the mafia boss fought the law … and won (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/21/teflon-don-trump-mafia-boss-mueller-report-tony-soprano) (Link)

After Mueller, the president is being compared to mobsters from John Gotti to Tony Soprano. And yet he remains in office

“You gotta do this. You gotta call Rod...”

It was 17 June 2017. Donald Trump was on the phone, urging Don McGahn, the White House counsel, to turn the screw on the deputy attorney general, Rod Rosenstein.

“Call Rod, tell Rod that [Robert] Mueller has conflicts and can’t be the special counsel,” Trump said, in a second call that day. “Mueller has to go … Call me back when you do it.”

If the tone of these secret conversations, revealed in Mueller’s long-awaited report this week, remind you of Tony Soprano – the amoral, brooding, charismatic, philandering, thuggish crime boss in the eponymous TV drama – ordering a hit on one his enemies, you are not alone.

To read the whole article.... click the link above and enjoy it!......

And now some nice music from André Rieu - Live in Italy !

:fighting0025: :laugh: :P :laugh: :P tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 09, 2019, 05:03:37 PM

Hilarious the level of TDS WIZZdouchery on display for the World to see here.

The Greatest thing to happen to the UK is that one of their own daughters of the realm went to the USA in her youth and gave birth to a pro UK Man now President of the USA who is programmed genetically to win at just about everything.... and still willing to hold out a very generous olive branch of a very sweet Free Trade Agreement deal to his ancestral homeland that will boost the UK economy Swizterland style globally versus the economic Wizz style socialist retarding by the 4th Reich controlled Junkers EU of the past 20 years.

Mueller - out of work and disgraced, Mexico tamed and on a very short leash - Canada next and with the EU cozying up to the Communist Freaking Red Chinese Belt and Roads loan shark diplomacy conspiracy - the EU is likely to find themselves paying 25% Tariffs on all vehicles exports to the USA including Autos, SUVs, Trucks and Motorcycles as they continue to drag their feet on a USA-EU Free Trade Agreement...

This would give the patriot Brexiteers a major trade advantage with a Free Trade Agreement with the USA that then enables the UK to negotiate much tougher trade deals with the Communist Chinese BRI Collaberateurs in the EU.

We have plenty of ultra high quality Japanese and Korean high-quality luxury brands and Japanese Robotics improved USA Automotive factories - no real need for Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche in the USA (Except perhaps VW which has one of its most modern robotics controlled factories in the USA making fairly reliable cars here already) or any of the other myriad EU models and - as it is the Communist Red Chinese are using BRI and China 2025 and Huawei 5G to replace all precision industrial manufacturing in the EU over the next 5 to 10 years... There goes the EU's vaunted high value add taxed social safety nets.

China FXI Large Cap ETF has collapsed from a Jan 2018 high of $54 to a current $40.54 low for a 30% Chinese Industrials Market CRASH. So keep piling on the Trade War China so I can make a killing shorting some more.

If the WIZZdouches of the UK could get past their Yank Hatred and Ancient Arrogant British Air of Snobby Superiority they would realize that the irony is a favorable deal between the USA and the UK gives them much more power and leverage to negotiate favorable terms with the EU (Teflon Don Trump even said why pay the 4th Reich EU $40+ Billion GBP to leave the bloody 4th Reich - just tell Junkers and Sig Heil Merkel to sod the phock off Fawlty Towers style.)

At the end of the Day, the most arrogant WIZZwipes in the UK are biting a gift USA horse in the mouth while fellating a rancid Junkers wrinkle necked old rotten trout and then taking it up the Royal Bunghole sans Vaseline.

It took exactly 3 days of warnings of Tariffs for Mexico to protect her $350 Billion USD trade economy with the USA by complying with the Mean Big Bad Orange Man's demands on Trade, Border Security and illegal immigration. The irony here is Trump shut down a massive Communist Freaking Red Chinese back door into the USA markets via Mexico and next Canada in the process.

Canada is praying for Pelosi to move to approve the USMCA and the arrogant Junkers 4th Reich EU is likely to have a Moses on the Mount come to Jeeezus moment soon on an EU-USA trade deal before the Communist Freaking Red Chinese wipe out the EU precision manufacturing value add economy.

Fortunately for you lot, Nigel Farage is as much loved in the USA MAGA circles as is the Teflon Don himself who is currently looking at a 60% silent majority re-election victory in 2020.

We need to find some excellent WIZZbanger head exploding gifs to celebrate the next Coronation of God King Emporer of the Earth Trump as he is swept to a landslide victory in 2020 with his sons Don Jr. and Eric to follow in their father's footsteps for a 20+ year Trump patriots party Dynasty.

(https://www.dhresource.com/0x0s/f2-albu-g9-M00-7F-E5-rBVaVVx59BmALJtNAAIJuiSoW_w139.jpg/2020-trump-flag-tank-flag-digital-print-polyester.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 09, 2019, 05:12:04 PM

(http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh493/sheepdogging/TRUMPjpg_zpsg7iw56uz.jpg~original)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 09, 2019, 05:19:12 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 09, 2019, 03:21:27 PM

The international Criminal Don's
planning more murders!

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/e0b486233f1e492eb4fdded552f342aa4ba2e13f/0_74_6000_3600/master/6000.jpg?width=980&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=c006d22dd0800111605b0eab68815c4a)

Teflon Don: How Trump the mafia boss fought the law … and won (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/21/teflon-don-trump-mafia-boss-mueller-report-tony-soprano) (Link)

After Mueller, the president is being compared to mobsters from John Gotti to Tony Soprano. And yet he remains in office

“You gotta do this. You gotta call Rod...”

It was 17 June 2017. Donald Trump was on the phone, urging Don McGahn, the White House counsel, to turn the screw on the deputy attorney general, Rod Rosenstein.

“Call Rod, tell Rod that [Robert] Mueller has conflicts and can’t be the special counsel,” Trump said, in a second call that day. “Mueller has to go … Call me back when you do it.”

If the tone of these secret conversations, revealed in Mueller’s long-awaited report this week, remind you of Tony Soprano – the amoral, brooding, charismatic, philandering, thuggish crime boss in the eponymous TV drama – ordering a hit on one his enemies, you are not alone.

To read the whole article.... click the link above and enjoy it!......

And now some nice music from André Rieu - Live in Italy !

:fighting0025: :laugh: :P :laugh: :P tiphat

So what, Trump wanted to fire someone. Big fuggin’ deal.

Back when Clinton was Prez Hillary murdered Vince Foster in cold blood.

I think if I had to choose between the two I would choose to be fired. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 09, 2019, 07:25:45 PM

Quote from: Confederate on June 09, 2019, 05:19:12 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 09, 2019, 03:21:27 PM
The international Criminal Don's
planning more murders!

(https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2019/2/20/737ec37147104fd1a887725d64fac9bd_18.jpg)

Teflon Don: How Trump the mafia boss fought the law … and won (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/21/teflon-don-trump-mafia-boss-mueller-report-tony-soprano) (Link)

So what, Trump wanted to fire someone. Big fuggin’ deal.

Back when Clinton was Prez Hillary murdered Vince Foster in cold blood.

I think if I had to choose between the two I would choose to be fired. :coffeeread:

Well your admission above goes contrary to your claims that USA is a great Democracy when in reality is nothing more than a Criminal country terrorising the whole world..... and you are used by the Zionists to support their Financial Empire around the world.

Have a nice evening .........and it's good that you start admitting the truth.

;D

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on June 09, 2019, 07:35:18 PM

It seems Roger Stone a confidant of D. Trump who refuses to roll over in court has scored points with regards to the Mueller accusations. Oddly and perhaps scarily enough it ties into the unexplained death of S. Rich.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 09, 2019, 07:48:03 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 09, 2019, 05:03:37 PM

Hilarious the level of TDS WIZZdouchery on display for the World to see here.

The Greatest thing to happen to the UK is that one of their own daughters of the realm went to the USA in her youth and gave birth to a pro UK Man now President of the USA who is programmed genetically to win at just about everything.... and still willing to hold out a very generous olive branch of a very sweet Free Trade Agreement deal to his ancestral homeland that will boost the UK economy Swizterland style globally versus the economic Wizz style socialist retarding by the 4th Reich controlled Junkers EU of the past 20 years.

Mueller - out of work and disgraced, Mexico tamed and on a very short leash - Canada next and with the EU cozying up to the Communist Freaking Red Chinese Belt and Roads loan shark diplomacy conspiracy - the EU is likely to find themselves paying 25% Tariffs on all vehicles exports to the USA including Autos, SUVs, Trucks and Motorcycles as they continue to drag their feet on a USA-EU Free Trade Agreement...

This would give the patriot Brexiteers a major trade advantage with a Free Trade Agreement with the USA that then enables the UK to negotiate much tougher trade deals with the Communist Chinese BRI Collaberateurs in the EU.

We have plenty of ultra high quality Japanese and Korean high-quality luxury brands and Japanese Robotics improved USA Automotive factories - no real need for Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche in the USA (Except perhaps VW which has one of its most modern robotics controlled factories in the USA making fairly reliable cars here already) or any of the other myriad EU models and - as it is the Communist Red Chinese are using BRI and China 2025 and Huawei 5G to replace all precision industrial manufacturing in the EU over the next 5 to 10 years... There goes the EU's vaunted high value add taxed social safety nets.

China FXI Large Cap ETF has collapsed from a Jan 2018 high of $54 to a current $40.54 low for a 30% Chinese Industrials Market CRASH. So keep piling on the Trade War China so I can make a killing shorting some more.

If the WIZZdouches of the UK could get past their Yank Hatred and Ancient Arrogant British Air of Snobby Superiority they would realize that the irony is a favorable deal between the USA and the UK gives them much more power and leverage to negotiate favorable terms with the EU (Teflon Don Trump even said why pay the 4th Reich EU $40+ Billion GBP to leave the bloody 4th Reich - just tell Junkers and Sig Heil Merkel to sod the phock off Fawlty Towers style.)

At the end of the Day, the most arrogant WIZZwipes in the UK are biting a gift USA horse in the mouth while fellating a rancid Junkers wrinkle necked old rotten trout and then taking it up the Royal Bunghole sans Vaseline.

It took exactly 3 days of warnings of Tariffs for Mexico to protect her $350 Billion USD trade economy with the USA by complying with the Mean Big Bad Orange Man's demands on Trade, Border Security and illegal immigration. The irony here is Trump shut down a massive Communist Freaking Red Chinese back door into the USA markets via Mexico and next Canada in the process.

Canada is praying for Pelosi to move to approve the USMCA and the arrogant Junkers 4th Reich EU is likely to have a Moses on the Mount come to Jeeezus moment soon on an EU-USA trade deal before the Communist Freaking Red Chinese wipe out the EU precision manufacturing value add economy.

Fortunately for you lot, Nigel Farage is as much loved in the USA MAGA circles as is the Teflon Don himself who is currently looking at a 60% silent majority re-election victory in 2020.

We need to find some excellent WIZZbanger head exploding gifs to celebrate the next Coronation of God King Emporer of the Earth Trump as he is swept to a landslide victory in 2020 with his sons Don Jr. and Eric to follow in their father's footsteps for a 20+ year Trump patriots party Dynasty.

Desperation is increasing on a daily basis...........and it's very obvious in your post.

Keep promoting your Mafia President just in case he drops a few bread crams.......on the way.

Poor Cufllinks .....

PS: I hope you read the family History of your Mafia President!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 09, 2019, 09:09:46 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on June 09, 2019, 07:35:18 PM

It seems Roger Stone a confidant of D. Trump who refuses to roll over in court has scored points with regards to the Mueller accusations. Oddly and perhaps scarily enough it ties into the unexplained death of S. Rich.

Seth Rich?

Do you have a source for this information?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 09, 2019, 10:25:06 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 09, 2019, 07:48:03 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 09, 2019, 05:03:37 PM
Hilarious the level of TDS WIZZdouchery on display for the World to see here.

The Greatest thing to happen to the UK is that one of their own daughters of the realm went to the USA in her youth and gave birth to a pro UK Man now President of the USA who is programmed genetically to win at just about everything.... and still willing to hold out a very generous olive branch of a very sweet Free Trade Agreement deal to his ancestral homeland that will boost the UK economy Swizterland style globally versus the economic Wizz style socialist retarding by the 4th Reich controlled Junkers EU of the past 20 years.

Mueller - out of work and disgraced, Mexico tamed and on a very short leash - Canada next and with the EU cozying up to the Communist Freaking Red Chinese Belt and Roads loan shark diplomacy conspiracy - the EU is likely to find themselves paying 25% Tariffs on all vehicles exports to the USA including Autos, SUVs, Trucks and Motorcycles as they continue to drag their feet on a USA-EU Free Trade Agreement...

This would give the patriot Brexiteers a major trade advantage with a Free Trade Agreement with the USA that then enables the UK to negotiate much tougher trade deals with the Communist Chinese BRI Collaberateurs in the EU.

We have plenty of ultra high quality Japanese and Korean high-quality luxury brands and Japanese Robotics improved USA Automotive factories - no real need for Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Porsche in the USA (Except perhaps VW which has one of its most modern robotics controlled factories in the USA making fairly reliable cars here already) or any of the other myriad EU models and - as it is the Communist Red Chinese are using BRI and China 2025 and Huawei 5G to replace all precision industrial manufacturing in the EU over the next 5 to 10 years... There goes the EU's vaunted high value add taxed social safety nets.

China FXI Large Cap ETF has collapsed from a Jan 2018 high of $54 to a current $40.54 low for a 30% Chinese Industrials Market CRASH. So keep piling on the Trade War China so I can make a killing shorting some more.

If the WIZZdouches of the UK could get past their Yank Hatred and Ancient Arrogant British Air of Snobby Superiority they would realize that the irony is a favorable deal between the USA and the UK gives them much more power and leverage to negotiate favorable terms with the EU (Teflon Don Trump even said why pay the 4th Reich EU $40+ Billion GBP to leave the bloody 4th Reich - just tell Junkers and Sig Heil Merkel to sod the phock off Fawlty Towers style.)

At the end of the Day, the most arrogant WIZZwipes in the UK are biting a gift USA horse in the mouth while fellating a rancid Junkers wrinkle necked old rotten trout and then taking it up the Royal Bunghole sans Vaseline.

It took exactly 3 days of warnings of Tariffs for Mexico to protect her $350 Billion USD trade economy with the USA by complying with the Mean Big Bad Orange Man's demands on Trade, Border Security and illegal immigration. The irony here is Trump shut down a massive Communist Freaking Red Chinese back door into the USA markets via Mexico and next Canada in the process.

Canada is praying for Pelosi to move to approve the USMCA and the arrogant Junkers 4th Reich EU is likely to have a Moses on the Mount come to Jeeezus moment soon on an EU-USA trade deal before the Communist Freaking Red Chinese wipe out the EU precision manufacturing value add economy.

Fortunately for you lot, Nigel Farage is as much loved in the USA MAGA circles as is the Teflon Don himself who is currently looking at a 60% silent majority re-election victory in 2020.

We need to find some excellent WIZZbanger head exploding gifs to celebrate the next Coronation of God King Emporer of the Earth Trump as he is swept to a landslide victory in 2020 with his sons Don Jr. and Eric to follow in their father's footsteps for a 20+ year Trump patriots party Dynasty.

Desperation is increasing on a daily basis...........and it's very obvious in your post.

Keep promoting your Mafia President just in case he drops a few bread crams.......on the way.

Poor Cufllinks .....

PS: I hope you read the family History of your Mafia President!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

“When I see British citizens mocking the President, I just remember that in 100 years they went from ruling 1/4 of the World to living on an island the size of Michigan”. Ryan Fournier on Twitter

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 10, 2019, 02:08:18 AM

Quote from: Confederate on June 09, 2019, 10:25:06 PM

“When I see British citizens mocking the President, I just remember that in 100 years they went from ruling 1/4 of the World to living on an island the size of Michigan”. Ryan Fournier on Twitter

Funny how easily you forget your own comments towards your co bullshiter.... Cufflinkswaanker .......... Just to remind you.......

Quote from: Confederate on June 09, 2019, 05:57:16 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 09, 2019, 05:37:29 PM
^^^ The Bloody Phooking Irony in the POT-KETTLE-BLACK WIZZwaanker's infographic is that was all started out of the BLOODY City of London that owns the various controlling interests in US Banks via offshore UK Trusts and US Foundations that actually owns the US Federal Reserve so it is, in fact, the UK Crown's Rothschilds Banksters in the Bloody City of London that is the world's greatest War Mongers.

The British Empire lasted few centuries.....and enslaved your country almost since its discovery....till today.

As Cufflinkswaanker told you GB is still milking you and run the world......from this small little island........and "Don TRAMP" was invited by her Majesty with the pretence of the D-Day, to come over, swear his allegiance and pay his respect .... and here is the evidence!

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/men/2019/06/07/TELEMMGLPICT000199557366_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqBL8_dQSzNaOBHQ8J7BYyWkuMTCQ8WJnIqiEwHrvxzvE.jpeg?imwidth=1240)

Guess who runs the show......... :GOUK:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on June 10, 2019, 03:27:54 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 09, 2019, 12:44:44 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8nxVeBV4AEW1Cs.jpg)

I’d wet myself. So many bleeding hearts would be crushed following Brexit and then the white, conservative, male figure head being re-elected.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Dogsoldier on June 10, 2019, 07:42:52 AM

Quote from: rosco on June 10, 2019, 03:27:54 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 09, 2019, 12:44:44 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8nxVeBV4AEW1Cs.jpg)

I’d wet myself. So many bleeding hearts would be crushed following Brexit and then the white, conservative, male figure head being re-elected.

You’d have Moby bleating away, ‘but but but Trump lost the majority vote’ and ‘£50 ( that I don’t have) that Brexit really won’t happen because ..........(insert any Remoaner fantasy)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on June 10, 2019, 08:20:09 AM

Quote from: Wiz on June 10, 2019, 02:08:18 AM

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/men/2019/06/07/TELEMMGLPICT000199557366_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqBL8_dQSzNaOBHQ8J7BYyWkuMTCQ8WJnIqiEwHrvxzvE.jpeg?imwidth=1240)

Guess who runs the show......... :GOUK:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Trump is walking ahead of the Queen. My guess would be Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 10, 2019, 08:24:51 AM

Quote from: Wiz on June 10, 2019, 02:08:18 AM

Quote from: Confederate on June 09, 2019, 10:25:06 PM

“When I see British citizens mocking the President, I just remember that in 100 years they went from ruling 1/4 of the World to living on an island the size of Michigan”. Ryan Fournier on Twitter

Funny how easily you forget your own comments towards your co bullshiter.... Cufflinkswaanker .......... Just to remind you.......

Quote from: Confederate on June 09, 2019, 05:57:16 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on June 09, 2019, 05:37:29 PM
^^^ The Bloody Phooking Irony in the POT-KETTLE-BLACK WIZZwaanker's infographic is that was all started out of the BLOODY City of London that owns the various controlling interests in US Banks via offshore UK Trusts and US Foundations that actually owns the US Federal Reserve so it is, in fact, the UK Crown's Rothschilds Banksters in the Bloody City of London that is the world's greatest War Mongers.

The British Empire lasted few centuries.....and enslaved your country almost since its discovery....till today.

As Cufflinkswaanker told you GB is still milking you and run the world......from this small little island........and "Don TRAMP" was invited by her Majesty with the pretence of the D-Day, to come over, swear his allegiance and pay his respect .... and here is the evidence!

(https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/men/2019/06/07/TELEMMGLPICT000199557366_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqBL8_dQSzNaOBHQ8J7BYyWkuMTCQ8WJnIqiEwHrvxzvE.jpeg?imwidth=1240)

Guess who runs the show......... :GOUK:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The Wizzbanging DEMENTIA is clearly reaching a Crescendo level of TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) hysteria... Curious the Visual of how one might actually waank off a pair of Cufflinks - might that be similar to a WizzWaanking Oral Knob Buffer? Wacko Waanking WIZZbanger strikes again.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 10, 2019, 08:35:12 AM

Nigel Farage on Trump visit and Brexit.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on June 10, 2019, 08:37:53 AM

Quote from: Dogsoldier on June 10, 2019, 07:42:52 AM

Quote from: rosco on June 10, 2019, 03:27:54 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on June 09, 2019, 12:44:44 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8nxVeBV4AEW1Cs.jpg)

I’d wet myself. So many bleeding hearts would be crushed following Brexit and then the white, conservative, male figure head being re-elected.
You’d have Moby bleating away, ‘but but but Trump lost the majority vote’ and ‘£50 ( that I don’t have) that Brexit really won’t happen because ..........(insert any Remoaner fantasy)

:ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 10, 2019, 08:38:04 AM

Quote from: rosco on June 10, 2019, 03:27:54 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 09, 2019, 12:44:44 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8nxVeBV4AEW1Cs.jpg)

I’d wet myself. So many bleeding hearts would be crushed following Brexit and then the white, conservative, male figure head being re-elected.

Rosco and Dogsoldier - Love you Brothers ... Was listening to Nigel on LBC and he interviewed a brown Asian bloke who said that the NZ-China free trade agreement hit its 20-year projections in about 22 months... Imagine a true Win-Win deal between the UK and USA among countries that actually care about each other and have a common language and Christian Majority culture... the UK Economy would explode - young UK Lads and Lasses would be enticed by high pay to learn market in-demand skills and the irony is that added economic strength with our beloved cousins across the pond would be able to negotiate a hard bargain with the 4th Reich Sig Heil Madame Merkle and her EU Whore House and the Communist Freaking Red Phocking Chinese and in the process Strengthen the USA UK alliances and negotiate with the EU and China with an added combined leverage of our combined Economic and Military Powers.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 10, 2019, 08:48:42 AM

Quote from: rosco on June 10, 2019, 03:27:54 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 09, 2019, 12:44:44 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8nxVeBV4AEW1Cs.jpg)

I’d wet myself. So many bleeding hearts would be crushed following Brexit and then the white, conservative, male figure head being re-elected.

:-*. :ROFL: :-*. :ROFL: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 10, 2019, 09:04:15 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 10, 2019, 08:24:51 AM

The Wizzbanging DEMENTIA is clearly reaching a Crescendo level of TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) hysteria... Curious the Visual of how one might actually waank off a pair of Cufflinks - might that be similar to a WizzWaanking Oral Knob Buffer? Wacko Waanking WIZZbanger strikes again.

Amazing intelligent conversation from the American Cufflink bullshiter. :biggrin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on June 10, 2019, 10:20:20 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 10, 2019, 08:38:04 AM

Quote from: rosco on June 10, 2019, 03:27:54 AM
Quote from: cufflinks on June 09, 2019, 12:44:44 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D8nxVeBV4AEW1Cs.jpg)

I’d wet myself. So many bleeding hearts would be crushed following Brexit and then the white, conservative, male figure head being re-elected.

Rosco and Dogsoldier - Love you Brothers ... Was listening to Nigel on LBC and he interviewed a brown Asian bloke who said that the NZ-China free trade agreement hit its 20-year projections in about 22 months... Imagine a true Win-Win deal between the UK and USA among countries that actually care about each other and have a common language and Christian Majority culture... the UK Economy would explode - young UK Lads and Lasses would be enticed by high pay to learn market in-demand skills and the irony is that added economic strength with our beloved cousins across the pond would be able to negotiate a hard bargain with the 4th Reich Sig Heil Madame Merkle and her EU Whore House and the Communist Freaking Red Phocking Chinese and in the process Strengthen the USA UK alliances and negotiate with the EU and China with an added combined leverage of our combined Economic and Military Powers.

I would like nothing more! tiphat

We would still course have Moby types claiming that our lives are worse for being out of the EU, whilst living comfortably in ignorance. We need a strong leader who would embrace Trump/U.S and remove the burden of uncertainty post EU. It would also give us our self belief back and we could negotiate our divorce from a position of power.

It's tragic to know that some lefty, globalist types are actively working for our demise and communist membership reinstatement.

:'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 11, 2019, 04:59:28 AM

Rosco

'ignorance' is ignoring BUSINESS organisations from the CBI or FSB....that's the Federation of Small Business...not KGB mk II...

So..are these organisations infiltrated by 'leftists' ?

If you answer 'Yes' ..you are truly derranged..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on June 12, 2019, 03:23:09 AM

Quote from: msmoby on June 11, 2019, 04:59:28 AM

Rosco

'ignorance' is ignoring BUSINESS organisations from the CBI or FSB....that's the Federation of Small Business...not KGB mk II...

So..are these organisations infiltrated by 'leftists' ?

If you answer 'Yes' ..you are truly derranged..

You claim not to be a liberal so why not? :laugh:

Globalist hegemony holding sovereign states to political, social and economic ransom i.e. the EU is where the power is at. Brexit was a huge blow to their plans and it still threatens to derail the socialist/globalist wet dream.

Of course they wont celebrate or even admit it, they're on the cusp of losing their power to the people, something unheard of in recent Western politics. All the while people like you peddle their crap because they've done such a great job in recruiting and manipulating the looney left.

Do we need to start quoting Mark Carney, George Osborne or some of the other truly outrageous and completely incorrect Brexit predictions from "specialists"?

"The Treasury’s predictions during the lead-up to the EU referendum were wrong to the tune of £100 billion, according to a new report."

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/doomsday-predictions-brexit-overly-pessimistic-says-think-tank/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/04/22/project-fears-brexit-predictions-wrong-100-billion-new-report/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/984559/brexit-news-mark-carney-bank-of-england-uk-economy-mistake-latest

https://www.politico.eu/article/mark-carney-eats-humble-pie-on-brexit/

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/06/project-fear-two-years-on-six-brexit-predictions-that-failed-to-come-true/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 12, 2019, 04:31:27 AM

Rosco

The majority people do not WANT Brexit, now and you might like to be more up to date financial info..?

The 'lefty' Financial Times..

BBC News - Bank warns no-deal could see UK sink into recession
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46377309 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46377309)
You tried buying stuff in Dollars, Euros or even Roubles....

Be honest.. Project Fear is becoming reality..

It can all be put right...and quickly...with a dose of realism ..

No matter which Tory tries to take the UK in a no deal scenario...they WILL fail..

This was before Ford waited until 'Trampu' had left the UK to announce Bridgend closing..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 12, 2019, 05:11:46 AM

Rosco

Someone can make my point, better...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 12, 2019, 10:08:08 PM

How Do Globalists View the Trade War?

The U.S. and Chinese governments have made their views on the ongoing trade wars clear. The U.S. insists that China is breaking all the rules and China insists that they will not allow the U.S. to dictate the operation of their economy. What about the global elites? They are watching from the sidelines since the nationalists are in charge in both countries. But what is their view?

By Geng and Sheng two Globalist Beijing pro Silk Road BRI Professors - go figure:
https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/how-united-states-china-trade-war-will-end-by-andrew-sheng-and-xiao-geng-2019-05

This article is written by two of the leading global elites. Their analysis is entirely conventional and mostly wrong. They argue that U.S. consumers will suffer from higher tariffs since tariffs act like taxes on consumers of imported goods. They also argue that slower growth from reciprocal tariffs may result in a U.S. recession.

This simple analysis ignores how dynamic global markets are today. Many U.S. importers lack the ability to pass cost increases along to consumers, so the costs of tariffs are actually borne by importers in the form of reduced margins or have to be absorbed by the Chinese exporters. Supply chains are flexible. Goods not produced in China can be produced in Vietnam or Indonesia, resulting in lower tariffs and permanent loss of exports for China. By moving supply chain origins and not passing tariff costs to consumers, the actual impact of the trade war on the U.S. economy could be quite small and not nearly enough to induce a recession. At the same time, gains from new U.S. manufacturing needed to replace some Chinese exports could actually boost the U.S. economy. The complaints in this article are the same misguided economic nostrums the elites have been peddling for decades. Trump is the one who is following in the footsteps of Alexander Hamilton and Henry Clay when it comes to protecting U.S. jobs and U.S. industry from overbearing foreign competition.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 12, 2019, 10:17:36 PM

It's Early in the Game, but Models Are Already Predicting a Trump Victory

I’m not surprised that Trump supporters believe he’s going to win reelection in 2020. What’s amazing is the number of Democrats and Trump opponents who think the same thing. This article is a survey of recent model outputs that show Trump is a clear favorite in the 2020 presidential election.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/445668-3-modelers-predict-trump-reelection?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

Models are not polls. Instead, they take various data points such as economic growth, unemployment, real wages and whether the nation is at war. These inputs are then put into models built on past elections and correlations are determined based on whether past presidents won or lost.

The models discussed here were produced by Steven Rattner, an Obama adviser, and Mark Zandi, another Obama supporter. No one can accuse them of pro-Trump bias. They are also seasoned Wall Street hands who focus on the most reliable results regardless of whether it fits their political preference or not. My own model currently has Trump at a 65% probability of winning, although that probability has room to grow as we move closer to Election Day without a recession. Election Day is still far away, but the early signs definitely favor Trump. That result also favors investors looking for continued economic expansion and continuation of one of the longest bull markets in history.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 13, 2019, 05:38:20 AM

Dear Mikey

Models are based on the data those creating them believe are important.

What has been your model to find your woman?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on June 13, 2019, 08:03:03 AM

Quote from: msmoby on June 12, 2019, 04:31:27 AM

Rosco

The majority people do not WANT Brexit, now and you might like to be more up to date financial info..?

The 'lefty' Financial Times..

BBC News - Bank warns no-deal could see UK sink into recession
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46377309 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46377309)
You tried buying stuff in Dollars, Euros or even Roubles....

Be honest.. Project Fear is becoming reality..

It can all be put right...and quickly...with a dose of realism ..

No matter which Tory tries to take the UK in a no deal scenario...they WILL fail..

This was before Ford waited until 'Trampu' had left the UK to announce Bridgend closing..

Not only off topic, but all complete twaddle. And your mate Peston is a leftie twerp like you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on June 13, 2019, 08:34:30 AM

Quote from: msmoby on June 12, 2019, 04:31:27 AM

Rosco

The majority people do not WANT Brexit, now and you might like to be more up to date financial info..?

The 'lefty' Financial Times..

BBC News - Bank warns no-deal could see UK sink into recession
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46377309 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46377309)
You tried buying stuff in Dollars, Euros or even Roubles....

Be honest.. Project Fear is becoming reality..

It can all be put right...and quickly...with a dose of realism ..

No matter which Tory tries to take the UK in a no deal scenario...they WILL fail..

This was before Ford waited until 'Trampu' had left the UK to announce Bridgend closing..

Apologies for being off topic but this rubbish needs addressed.

The majority of people want Brexit and this has been proven twice in the last two major votes. In fact the last one was a landslide.......

And secondly, the stalling (and I use this term because its not crashed and we've not all rolled over and died like we were threatened with) is down to the remoaners dragging their heels in the most childish, undemocratic manner and leaving us in limbo!!

A pro leave government with a set of balls would have had the country out the EU and a clear set of laws, protocol and trade deals would have enabled investment to be made. It's not rocket science and life would be soooo much better in almost every aspect. It's your lot who are at fault for this limbo mess and this needs to be made clear.

Instead we have investors and planners sitting waiting for the changes to happen, so they can secure their finance confidently. Only idiots like you blame it on Brexit.....

:'(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 13, 2019, 08:45:19 AM

Quote from: rosco on June 13, 2019, 08:34:30 AM

Quote from: msmoby on June 12, 2019, 04:31:27 AM
Rosco

The majority people do not WANT Brexit, now and you might like to be more up to date financial info..?

The 'lefty' Financial Times..

BBC News - Bank warns no-deal could see UK sink into recession
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46377309 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46377309)
You tried buying stuff in Dollars, Euros or even Roubles....

Be honest.. Project Fear is becoming reality..

It can all be put right...and quickly...with a dose of realism ..

No matter which Tory tries to take the UK in a no deal scenario...they WILL fail..

This was before Ford waited until 'Trampu' had left the UK to announce Bridgend closing..

Apologies for being off topic but this rubbish needs addressed.

The majority of people want Brexit and this has been proven twice in the last two major votes. In fact the last one was a landslide.......

And secondly, the stalling (and I use this term because its not crashed and we've not all rolled over and died like we were threatened with) is down to the remoaners dragging their heels in the most childish, undemocratic manner and leaving us in limbo!!

A pro leave government with a set of balls would have had the country out the EU and a clear set of laws, protocol and trade deals would have enabled investment to be made. It's not rocket science and life would be soooo much better in almost every aspect. It's your lot who are at fault for this limbo mess and this needs to be made clear.

Instead we have investors and planners sitting waiting for the changes to happen, so they can secure their finance confidently. Only idiots like you blame it on Brexit.....

:'(

:thumbsup: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 13, 2019, 09:52:04 AM

Quote from: msmoby on June 13, 2019, 05:38:20 AM

Dear Mikey

Models are based on the data those creating them believe are important.

What has been your model to find your woman?

Since you ask in your typically Mobster snide and superior Brit manner speaking to me in a condescending way about models I will answer you in a factual polite manner.

Truth be told for the last two years I made some bank and ran into a bloke at the local Cigars Man Cave (Cigar Sports Lounge) and he is an MIT/Harvard 1% Mensa Genius (Actually higher IQ than the OG "Original Gangsta" Mobster) who manages a $200 Million USD Trading Book and allocates on average $150M per day - he uses a proprietary financial trading methodology of over 50 maths trading confirmations in a proprietary correlations, permutations and combinations methodology - his typical day is a 2X day with occasional 5X to 10X days - he is a humble man looks like he could be a fisherman in one of the TV Show Wicked Tuna boats out of Gloucester, Massachusetts. His personal net worth is in the range of $50M USD. He never boasts about it but he did mention he uses that vaunted Brit invention the IBC in Bermuda and Bahamas for assets protection plus he has a rather extensive 2nd Amendment Arsenal.

The only problem is markets trade 24 hours a day with a 15-minute end of session settlement breather here and there so he is always analyzing premarket opens and pit sessions for Asia, then Europe/London and then NYC and Chicago. He is lucky if he gets three to four hours sleep a night. I mentioned he can't keep that pace up forever.

So about 2 years ago I mentioned that his methodology would make a great Knowledge Engineering project and that I would like to develop a series of AI Trading Engines based upon his methods - and turns out for me he likes teaching and doing manual maths reviews on my Lenovo PC on a EOW end of week basis - the manual maths reviews allow him to double check his automated systems and to know what the markets will doing for the next year as well as the next day. He agreed to a very reasonable royalty scheme.

He said I need about a year of screen time on a daily focused basis to understand the markets and his maths.

So that is what I have done for the past two years focused in a monastic manner on learning from the world's greatest markets trading strategist. He allows me to pay him one great phat Maduro hand rolled Nicaraguan cigar per EOW review as a "Tuition Stick". My research indicates Moscow is now an ICOs boom town and I am currently working on my COA Whitepaper to raise 2,000 BTC phase one and 20,000 BTC phase two with phase 3 TBD.

Turns out Ukraine is an offshore IT Dev center with quite a bit of AI trained talent so I plan on combining some biz with pleasure in Kiev later this fall - interviewing for brilliant Devs and even more Brilliant young VPA/Wife (VPA= Very Personal Assistant).

Plan your work and work your plan then smoke great Hand Rolled Cigars with good sipping Scotch, Port and Cognac by the Sea while watching the little ones blossom into the next great Cufflinks adventurers with a fairly large IBCs war chest behind them.

I plan my work and work my plan.

I was going to offer to share the COA Whitepaper for the pre-ICO read-review-comments here however the level of Anti-American animosity on this Forum has reached Trump Derangement Syndrome levels of psychosis so ...

Success is Secrecy and Secrecy is Success.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 13, 2019, 01:05:21 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 13, 2019, 09:52:04 AM

Quote from: msmoby on June 13, 2019, 05:38:20 AM
Dear Mikey

Models are based on the data those creating them believe are important.

What has been your model to find your woman?

Since you ask in your typically Mobster snide and superior Brit manner speaking to me in a condescending way about models I will answer you in a factual polite manner.

I plan my work and work my plan.

Success is Secrecy and Secrecy is Success.

Not interested in Model Pussycats.......... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 13, 2019, 01:37:20 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 13, 2019, 01:05:21 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 13, 2019, 09:52:04 AM
Quote from: msmoby on June 13, 2019, 05:38:20 AM
Dear Mikey

Models are based on the data those creating them believe are important.

What has been your model to find your woman?

Since you ask in your typically Mobster snide and superior Brit manner speaking to me in a condescending way about models I will answer you in a factual polite manner.

I plan my work and work my plan.

Success is Secrecy and Secrecy is Success.

Not interested in Model Pussycats.......... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Astounding levels of ignorance and moronic lack of intellect on global display as usual. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on June 13, 2019, 04:33:10 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 13, 2019, 01:37:20 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 13, 2019, 01:05:21 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on June 13, 2019, 09:52:04 AM
Quote from: msmoby on June 13, 2019, 05:38:20 AM
Dear Mikey

Models are based on the data those creating them believe are important.

What has been your model to find your woman?

Since you ask in your typically Mobster snide and superior Brit manner speaking to me in a condescending way about models I will answer you in a factual polite manner.

I plan my work and work my plan.

Success is Secrecy and Secrecy is Success.

Not interested in Model Pussycats.......... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Astounding levels of ignorance and moronic lack of intellect on global display as usual. :thumbsup:

:laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 14, 2019, 12:21:35 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 13, 2019, 01:37:20 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 13, 2019, 01:05:21 PM
Quote from: cufflinks on June 13, 2019, 09:52:04 AM
Quote from: msmoby on June 13, 2019, 05:38:20 AM
Dear Mikey

Models are based on the data those creating them believe are important.

What has been your model to find your woman?

Since you ask in your typically Mobster snide and superior Brit manner speaking to me in a condescending way about models I will answer you in a factual polite manner.

I plan my work and work my plan.

Success is Secrecy and Secrecy is Success.

Not interested in Model Pussycats.......... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Astounding levels of ignorance and moronic lack of intellect on global display as usual. :thumbsup:

Looking at your Avatar 8488 posts and still single, makes anybody wonder?

Astounding levels of ignorance and moronic lack of success in human relations, on global display as usual. Definitely something is wrong with you!

Bias Stalin Admin, stop deleting my posts!

Not the fault of the system..... I keep copies....... :evilgrin0002:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 14, 2019, 03:55:36 AM

Quote from: Wiz on June 14, 2019, 12:21:35 AM

Bias Stalin Admin, stop deleting my posts! [/size]

Irony alert... :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 14, 2019, 08:23:13 PM

WizzBANGER is clearly a miserable Jew-Hating America-Hating soul who gets perverse joy from shiteing on every thread he contaminates on this forum. SAD.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 15, 2019, 03:37:47 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 14, 2019, 08:23:13 PM

WizzBANGER is clearly a miserable Jew-Hating America-Hating soul who gets perverse joy from shiteing on every thread he contaminates on this forum. SAD.

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The ancient Agora of Athens is a major archaeological site, and a long shadow of influence across the globe. It was the cauldron that brewed some of the most important ancient Greek concepts that Greece contributed to our current civilisation. Agora is the place where the direct Athenian Democracy took root and flourished, and where Socrates strolled, taught, and died.

If you wish to learn more about Agora then click the title blue link. I doubt that your personality and environment allows you to learn anything more than acting like a gangster or bull in a china shop! :evilgrin0002:

Lack of intellect and "good Manners" when you interact with other people, it's something that either you inherit from your parents or acquire after training when you are young. It appears none of the two apply in your case.

It appears that you have been poisoned with the supremacist mentality and attitude acquired from your leaders after your financial success during WWII and the lessons learned from the PM of the ex British Empire at the time..

In any case the picture you present of yourself and your ghastly inheritance it's not a pleasant one or welcomed by any body.

Already I have mentioned that I had a good friend, a solicitor for 30 years, who was a Jew ??? and he teach me how to say to anybody Fcuk Off in a polite language! Not everybody is the same like you, polluting the board with crap ......that nobody want to know.

:dh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 15, 2019, 08:08:36 AM

Even MORE demented deviant degenerate Orwellian good is evil and evil is good Communist drivel by RUAs resident psycho-sociopath Greek anarchist... a victim of his own grandiose psychotic mind.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 15, 2019, 08:16:21 AM

This is sure to make the Psycho Communist radical lefties heads explode:
WIZZwackoffer AND Mobster you both know what you are... :coffeeread:

Donald J. Trump
‏https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?lang=en
Verified account

@realDonaldTrump
2h2 hours ago

Despite the Greatest Presidential Harassment of all time by people like Wizz that are very dishonest and want to destroy our Country, we are doing great in the Polls, even better than in 2016, and will be packed at the Tuesday Announcement Rally in Orlando, Florida. KEEP AMERICA GREAT!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 15, 2019, 04:09:13 PM

[None of this nonsense here]

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 15, 2019, 05:04:40 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 15, 2019, 04:09:13 PM

[None of this nonsense here]

Stalin Manny

Finally you You proved your biased double standards..........

:dh:

See you later Alligator......

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 16, 2019, 11:06:53 AM

Quote from: msmoby on June 11, 2019, 04:59:28 AM

Rosco

'ignorance' is ignoring BUSINESS organisations from the CBI or FSB....that's the Federation of Small Business...not KGB mk II...

So..are these organisations infiltrated by 'leftists' ?

If you answer 'Yes' ..you are truly derranged..

Deranged would be somebody posting about your lefty institutions (which are
completely infiltrated by lefties) on a thread about Trump and American politics.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 16, 2019, 12:07:14 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on June 16, 2019, 11:06:53 AM

Quote from: msmoby on June 11, 2019, 04:59:28 AM
Rosco

'ignorance' is ignoring BUSINESS organisations from the CBI or FSB....that's the Federation of Small Business...not KGB mk II...

So..are these organisations infiltrated by 'leftists' ?

If you answer 'Yes' ..you are truly derranged..

Deranged would be somebody posting about your lefty institutions (which are
completely infiltrated by lefties) on a thread about Trump and American politics.

Damn - T2B Drops the MIC! :thumbsup: tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 16, 2019, 01:08:03 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on June 16, 2019, 11:06:53 AM

Quote from: msmoby on June 11, 2019, 04:59:28 AM
Rosco

'ignorance' is ignoring BUSINESS organisations from the CBI or FSB....that's the Federation of Small Business...not KGB mk II...

So..are these organisations infiltrated by 'leftists' ?

If you answer 'Yes' ..you are truly derranged..

Deranged would be somebody posting about your lefty institutions (which are
completely infiltrated by lefties) on a thread about Trump and American politics.

Welcome back 2 Tall, pull up a chair and hang around! :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 16, 2019, 01:28:40 PM

Quote from: Confederate on June 16, 2019, 01:08:03 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on June 16, 2019, 11:06:53 AM
Quote from: msmoby on June 11, 2019, 04:59:28 AM
Rosco

'ignorance' is ignoring BUSINESS organisations from the CBI or FSB....that's the Federation of Small Business...not KGB mk II...

So..are these organisations infiltrated by 'leftists' ?

If you answer 'Yes' ..you are truly derranged..

Deranged would be somebody posting about your lefty institutions (which are
completely infiltrated by lefties) on a thread about Trump and American politics.

Welcome back 2 Tall, pull up a chair and hang around! :laugh:

Anyone who thinks the DoD does not already have numerous contingency plans in place to save the American Union (Again) deludes themselves. Fact is we are living through a major DoD MIC Contingency right now, that contingency is, of course, President of the United States of America Mr. Donald John Trump.

If you want to know how that DoD & MIC strategy is playing out - look at the USMCA, the new US Attorney General's initiatives, and look at a chart of the FXI Top Chinese Industrials approx 60 major Chinese Companies down an average 25% the definition of a market crash - markets may be manipulated in the short term however in the long term they never lie. Down from $54.00 Jan 26, 2018 down to $40.49 June 16 2019. This was our Patriot President's shot across the CFRCs Communist Freaking Red Chinese bow. If Trump really wanted to he could engineer the overthrow of the CCP however he realizes the CCP when brought to heel is needed to prevent total chaos among 1.3 Billion Chinese.

https://www.barchart.com/etfs-funds/quotes/FXI/interactive-chart
Expand the Date bar on the bottom to Jan 17 to see recent ATH $54 to lows...

Also google the capabilities of our new reaper drones - Gulf 1 and Gulf 2 put live pilots at risk - we are now at a point where far more lethality can be deployed on point very aggressively without putting US pilots' lives in danger spearheading attacks on tactical and strategic targets whether they be in the Persian Gulf, South China Sea or along US Borders.

Underestimating the worldwide power of the USA at home and abroad will have severe consequences for our enemies both foreign and domestic. If you post on Social Media the AI fortified Intelligence Agencies know where you were, where you are now, where you are going and what you have done and are going to do next.

Reaper Drone intercepts then become a mere practice exercise.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 16, 2019, 01:36:43 PM

I live 45 Miles from Boston Harbor - Logan Airport and I am in Boston on a regular basis and it is absolutely booming - I was a former member of the Hanscom Reps Association (USAF) think MIT Lincoln Labs, etc) and have an active network there - without getting into specifics I was speaking with one of my senior contacts and he informed me a multi-year ONE TRILLION USD plan is well underway to upgrade our core MilTech. Boston is BOOMING on all cylinders, R&D, FinTech, BioTech, MedTech, High Tech, and MilTech. Many many EU firms setting up here in New England and the rest of the USA as a major plan B and to capture US Market Share in a growing market.

The USA is stronger and more innovative than ever and the people coming to invade our country are tracked including all CFRC Uni students - most from Latin America bend a knee to the Pope and Work hard - we are a long way from the islamo style invasion of the EU. This is not conjecture but FACT - I see it every day. The demise and breakup of the USA is pure fantasy - the opposite is the truth. The LGBTQstds are seeing a backlash as well - Boston recently approved a straight pride celebration - think Trad Christian Families. Do not take all that the MSM propagandizes as real. The MSM has painted a giant target on themselves.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 16, 2019, 07:57:05 PM

President Trump has been taking some heat for an answer he gave in a one-on-one interview with George Stephanopoulos. :chuckle:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/transcript-abc-news-george-stephanopoulos-exclusive-interview-president/story%3fid=63749144

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 16, 2019, 09:04:53 PM

Quote from: Confederate on June 16, 2019, 07:57:05 PM

President Trump has been taking some heat for an answer he gave in a one-on-one interview with George Stephanopoulos. :chuckle:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/transcript-abc-news-george-stephanopoulos-exclusive-interview-president/story%3fid=63749144

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 18, 2019, 08:39:28 AM

^^^ Typical George SNUFALUFAGOS GOTCHA interview - not sure why Trump agrees to these interviews as all they are intended to do is paint Trump in a negative light.

I can hear the Lefties Heads exploding already:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?lang=en

Donald J. Trump
‏
Verified account

@realDonaldTrump
30m30 minutes ago

Had a very good telephone conversation with President Xi of China. We will be having an extended meeting next week at the G-20 in Japan. Our respective teams will begin talks prior to our meeting.

2,455 replies 4,103 retweets 15,296 likes
Reply 2.5K Retweet 4.1K Like 15K

Donald J. Trump
‏
Verified account

@realDonaldTrump
3h3 hours ago

The Fake News doesn’t report it, but Republican enthusiasm is at an all time high. Look what is going on in Orlando, Florida, right now! People have never seen anything like it (unless you play a guitar). Going to be wild - See you later!

9,035 replies 9,759 retweets 39,077 likes
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Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 19, 2019, 05:56:40 AM

The Trump Juggernaught is underway with a full steam ahead 2020 strategy:

Donald J. Trump
‏
Verified account

@realDonaldTrump
10h10 hours ago

Don’t ever forget - this election is about YOU. It is about YOUR family, YOUR future, & the fate of YOUR COUNTRY. We begin our campaign with the best record, the best results, the best agenda, & the only positive VISION for our Country’s future! #Trump2020
Official Trump War Room

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1141167008739971072

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 19, 2019, 07:22:07 AM

God help America and the RoW

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 19, 2019, 01:53:14 PM

Now that the Mueller Russia Hoax shoe is on the other foot (Hunting Tramp Haters are now the Hunted) Trump back to True Trumpian Win Win Win mode form:

Full Speech:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1141160822988771328

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on June 21, 2019, 03:17:45 AM

Mikey !

You DO realise that Mueller has left the door open for 'Trampu' to be hunted either while still in office - or when he leaves ... ?

You make it sound like the man is 'innocent' ... did you listen to anything Mueller said?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 25, 2019, 07:43:44 PM

Quote from: msmoby on June 21, 2019, 03:17:45 AM

Mikey !

You DO realise that Mueller has left the door open for 'Trampu' to be hunted either while still in office - or when he leaves ... ?

You make it sound like the man is 'innocent' ... did you listen to anything Mueller said?

You been hitting Cyprus version of Ouzou by the gallon or what?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 25, 2019, 08:20:19 PM

Greatest Comedy Show on Earth June 26th and 27th live 7PM from Miami USA:

(https://assets.infowars.com/2019/06/democrat-clown-world-graphic532.jpg)

https://www.infowars.com/tune-in-to-clown-world-infowars-live-coverage-of-democrat-debate-circus/

From now on I can't help but visualize them in their Clown Faces

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 26, 2019, 08:12:38 PM

Piers Morgan interview with Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on June 26, 2019, 10:40:22 PM

Quote from: msmoby on June 21, 2019, 03:17:45 AM

Mikey !

You make it sound like the man is 'innocent' ... did you listen to anything Mueller said?

Mueller found no evidence any American colluded with Russia.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/

The US Senate investigation found no evidence Trump colluded with Russia.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-has-uncovered-no-direct-evidence-conspiracy-between-trump-campaign-n970536

The US House investigation found no evidence Trump colluded with Russia.

https://www.dw.com/en/us-house-republicans-find-no-evidence-of-trump-russia-collusion/a-42949961

Quote from: msmoby on June 21, 2019, 03:17:45 AM

Mueller has left the door open for 'Trampu' to be hunted either while still in office - or when he leaves ... ?

Mueller can't leave any door open. His job is done and there's nothing in his report that says Trump obstructed and in the tv speech, he clearly said he did not make a determination if Trump obstructed or not.

Three major investigations that should've never started found no evidence any American colluded with Russia and yet you want somebody to prosecute Trump because he didn't like the witch hunt investigations that hurt his presidency? You want an innocent man put in jail just because you don't like his politics? You'd fit in with Hitler and Stalin.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 27, 2019, 01:25:09 AM

Quote from: BillyB on June 26, 2019, 10:40:22 PM

Quote from: msmoby on June 21, 2019, 03:17:45 AM
Mikey !

You make it sound like the man is 'innocent' ... did you listen to anything Mueller said?

Mueller found no evidence any American colluded with Russia.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/

The US Senate investigation found no evidence Trump colluded with Russia.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-has-uncovered-no-direct-evidence-conspiracy-between-trump-campaign-n970536

The US House investigation found no evidence Trump colluded with Russia.

https://www.dw.com/en/us-house-republicans-find-no-evidence-of-trump-russia-collusion/a-42949961

Quote from: msmoby on June 21, 2019, 03:17:45 AM
Mueller has left the door open for 'Trampu' to be hunted either while still in office - or when he leaves ... ?

Mueller can't leave any door open. His job is done and there's nothing in his report that says Trump obstructed and in the tv speech, he clearly said he did not make a determination if Trump obstructed or not.

Three major investigations that should've never started found no evidence any American colluded with Russia and yet you want somebody to prosecute Trump because he didn't like the witch hunt investigations that hurt his presidency? You want an innocent man put in jail just because you don't like his politics? You'd fit in with Hitler and Stalin.

What the tyrannical left wants to do to a President is a prelude of what they want to do to the rest of us!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on June 27, 2019, 03:09:50 AM

Quote from: BillyB on June 26, 2019, 10:40:22 PM

Quote from: msmoby on June 21, 2019, 03:17:45 AM
Mikey !

You make it sound like the man is 'innocent' ... did you listen to anything Mueller said?

Mueller found no evidence any American colluded with Russia.

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/

The US Senate investigation found no evidence Trump colluded with Russia.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-has-uncovered-no-direct-evidence-conspiracy-between-trump-campaign-n970536

The US House investigation found no evidence Trump colluded with Russia.

https://www.dw.com/en/us-house-republicans-find-no-evidence-of-trump-russia-collusion/a-42949961

Quote from: msmoby on June 21, 2019, 03:17:45 AM
Mueller has left the door open for 'Trampu' to be hunted either while still in office - or when he leaves ... ?

Mueller can't leave any door open. His job is done and there's nothing in his report that says Trump obstructed and in the tv speech, he clearly said he did not make a determination if Trump obstructed or not.

Three major investigations that should've never started found no evidence any American colluded with Russia and yet you want somebody to prosecute Trump because he didn't like the witch hunt investigations that hurt his presidency? You want an innocent man put in jail just because you don't like his politics? You'd fit in with Hitler and Stalin.

:BEER:

(http://rs1149.pbsrc.com/albums/o594/zzbbswife/emoticons/k7isvKo_zps72a5df53.gif~c200)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 27, 2019, 12:36:39 PM

Quote from: msmoby on June 19, 2019, 07:22:07 AM

God help America and the RoW

Curious RoW the Royal Order of Wingnutz?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 27, 2019, 12:42:46 PM

Great news for the American Patriots Party and the PoP (Patriot on Point) President Donald John Trump the Socialist Democrats and or Bernie Democrat Socialists aided on by the DSA and CPUSA - Democrat Socialists of American and the Communist Party of the USA - held a full-on Circular Firing Squad Round One with the Main Event Biden Versus Bernie tonight...

Synopsis:

The irony here is that in 2016 Bernie Sanders was still an outlier as a Democrat Socialist or a Socialist Democrat (Hard Core Marxist Communist from the Chicago Saul Alinsky school).

Now every one of the Democrats (Peoples Republics Of) on that stage including Major Tulsi Gabbard are in fact all trying to out lefty Bernie - I watched the entire debate to see who the NBC CFR Deep State favored (Warren, Booker and Castro) and who they ignored - most of the others.

Their agenda is basically the UN's Agenda 21:

Socialism for the Masses and Riches for themselves... their key talking points:

Climate change is an existential threat to humanity and therefore we have 12 to 80 years to fix it or Florida becomes a big reef along with the Bahamas and Manhattan.

We need to reengage the Iranians and not hurt their feelings on Nukes

Nuclear Proliferation is the next existential threat to humanity.

No Borders No Walls No USA at All

Medicare for All including Prescriptions Drugs

Free College and Student Loans Forgiveness for all

Child Care for All (Right out of the Communist Manifesto BTW)

Income Equality for all - Literally 70% Corporate taxes and Millionaires and Billionaires Surtaxes...

Conservatives and Trump and Republicans are evil

Weapons of War Confiscation and licenses required to own no less carry a firearm with no regard for our self-defense 2nd Amendment rights.

End all tariffs no matter how effective a negotiation tactic and get along with our friends and allies who have been using every high tariff, excessive duties and non-tariff trade barriers against the USA since the end of World War Two "To Rebuild their Economies" - News Flash their economies are rebuilt now the USA's needs to be rebuilt.

LBGTQ TRANSEXUAL Rights crammed down the throats of everyone

Abortions up to the moment of birth and Infanticide afterward with euthanasia for all.

And Booker, Beeto and Castro were speaking Espanglish to the Univision dual broadcast SpanAm audience...

Death to the Yanquis Viva el Revolucion!!!

NO MENTION OF:

Radical Hamas, Hezbollah, Taliban, ISIS, Al Qaeda, and all other radical Islamists who intend to invade, outbreed, implement Sharia and eradicate all infidels globally. I hate to say it but as a man, Allahu-Akhbar has a certain ring to it as all the above socialism embraced deviancy will be eradicated under global Islam.

Latin American and Mexican Drugs Cartels turning our cities and rural areas into drugs infested Slums of Calcutta and Africa.

Massive waves of horrendous diseases reemerging in the USA due to non-existent Border and Airport screening for bubonic plagues, tuberculosis and a myriad of tropical uncurable diseases.

Globalists advancing their Agenda 21 as a ruse to implement their New World Order with One Party Rule over all peoples on earth Communist Freaking Red Chinese style.

Hate to sound so Black Pilled but now is the time to be socking away some gold and cryptos and prepare a location independent plan B here and overseas because once the Demographics favor the Socialist Democrat Communists the only option for Conservative Patriots will be a Coup D'Etat and military junta takeover German, Brazil, Argentina, and Chilean style.

When I was in Grade School these Socialist Democrats would have all been charged with being Communists and many with Sedition and Treason.

This is NOT John Fitzgerald Kennedy's Democrat party that was painfully obvious. At least JFK was a Patriot.

God save and protect President Donald John Trump as the last hope for the USA if he can last 5.5 more years we can at least head these Commie phocks off at the pass by driving Trump back to his Patriots base.

Can't wait to see Biden and Bernie et.al., try to out "Socialista Revolucion" last night's circular firing squad.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 27, 2019, 01:04:34 PM

Dem debate? Class warfare and gun control. What could possibly go wrong?

Just another civil war and if they get full power yet another government sponsored genocide.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 28, 2019, 06:48:14 AM

Quote from: Confederate on June 27, 2019, 01:04:34 PM

Dem debate? Class warfare and gun control. What could possibly go wrong?

Just another civil war and if they get full power yet another government sponsored genocide.

Trump ‘orders’ Putin not to meddle
in US elections

https://www.rt.com/usa/462886-trump-joke-russia-meddling/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 28, 2019, 07:30:21 AM

Quote from: Wiz on June 28, 2019, 06:48:14 AM

Quote from: Confederate on June 27, 2019, 01:04:34 PM
Dem debate? Class warfare and gun control. What could possibly go wrong?

Just another civil war and if they get full power yet another government sponsored genocide.

Trump ‘orders’ Putin not to meddle
in US elections

https://www.rt.com/usa/462886-trump-joke-russia-meddling/

The media won’t be happy with Trump no matter what he does!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dnhptrs7 on June 28, 2019, 08:13:04 AM

:8) you mean media wont news it to the public?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 28, 2019, 09:38:15 AM

Clearly, Kushner being the Likud and Netanyahu's golden boy has backed off Bloomberg and the rest of the NeoLiberal and NeoCon NYC and Silicon Valley Jewish Billionaires perhaps even Soros - likely with a bit of strong Mossad encouragement... A major reason why Obamas own former strategists has Trump at a 60% plus chance of reelection (As I referenced in my Rickards SI reports thread).

The clown world Infowars live review of Round Two of the Democrat Socialistas of America Main Event with Biden, Bernie, Buttigay and Kamala on center stage along with the full CPUSA radical left circular firing squad pointed out that Sleepy Uncle Joe is suffering Significant Cognitive impairment thus cannot win and that Bernie is not too far behind him with Kamala Harris being more of a BLAM or Black Glam Female WB Obama to counter WNB Warren from Round 1. While Buttigag and Swallowswell fought for the pass the torch to the Youth Vote of the Crazy Lefties.

One thing that Obama was correct about was that the 2019/20 Dems were in grave danger of turning into a radical left socialist Circular Firing Squad - BHO would be considered a far right winger among this field.

All Trump has to do is contrast himself as a pro-jobs pro-business pro rising incomes moderate God Loving America Loving Conservative and every business and every person and every PAC against 70% Business taxes and 90% Millionaires and Billionaires taxes are and will continue to cut YUUUUGE Checks to his reelection campaign or to the GOP SuperPACs running all sorts of vivid Anti Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela Socialitas adverts using the Radical Dem Lefties own words and videos in the Ads... Money is the Mother's Milk of Politics at the end of the day.

If Iran, China, and the NoKors come to their senses along with the Mexicanos regarding Trade and Nukes as they are all in cahoots giving Trump any sort of major victory then the only thing that could upset the apple cart is a recession and Mnuchin at Treasury has that firmly in control with the Plunge Protection Team and the Fed following Goldman Sachs orders.

It has been written so let it be done!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 28, 2019, 10:48:04 AM

Over 45 years living in the UK, speaking fluently Proper English and still I can't understand your convoluted mentality and make heads or tales.

You are living in a world of your own.....and don't know how to make matters simple for others to understand

Time to call Dr Strange!

:sick0012:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 28, 2019, 11:15:30 AM

Quote from: dnhptrs7 on June 28, 2019, 08:13:04 AM

:8) you mean media wont news it to the public?

That statement is nonsensical in English.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 28, 2019, 11:21:10 AM

Quote from: Wiz on June 28, 2019, 10:48:04 AM

Over 45 years living in the UK, speaking fluently Proper English and still I can't understand your convoluted mentality and make heads or tales.

You are living in a world of your own.....and don't know how to make matters simple for others to understand

Time to call Dr Strange!

:sick0012:

You are a Greek Anarchist in love with Marxist Communists and your brain is wired to hate Capitalism and America so your synapses are incapable of normal comprehension - the problem is identified yet a solution is ever so elusive perhaps impossible in your case.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 28, 2019, 11:23:16 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 28, 2019, 11:21:10 AM

Quote from: Wiz on June 28, 2019, 10:48:04 AM
Over 45 years living in the UK, speaking fluently Proper English and still I can't understand your convoluted mentality and make heads or tales.

You are living in a world of your own.....and don't know how to make matters simple for others to understand

Time to call Dr Strange!

:sick0012:

You are a Greek Anarchist in love with Marxist Communists and your brain is wired to hate Capitalism and America so your synapses are incapable of normal comprehension - the problem is identified yet a solution is ever so elusive perhaps impossible in your case.

The solution for any Communist is a helicopter ride to the nearest shark infested ocean. :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 28, 2019, 02:57:22 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 28, 2019, 11:21:10 AM

Quote from: Wiz on June 28, 2019, 10:48:04 AM
Over 45 years living in the UK, speaking fluently Proper English and still I can't understand your convoluted mentality and make heads or tales.

You are living in a world of your own.....and don't know how to make matters simple for others to understand

Time to call Dr Strange!

:sick0012:

You are a Greek Anarchist in love with Marxist Communists and your brain is wired to hate Capitalism and America so your synapses are incapable of normal comprehension - the problem is identified yet a solution is ever so elusive perhaps impossible in your case.

"Joseph Raymond McCarthy was known for alleging that numerous Communists and Soviet spies and sympathizers had infiltrated the United States federal government, universities, film industry and elsewhere.

Ultimately, the smear tactics that he used created the term "McCarthyism", coined in 1950 in reference to McCarthy's practices, was soon applied to similar anti-communist activities.

Today, the term is used more broadly to mean demagogic, reckless, and unsubstantiated accusations, as well as public attacks on the character or patriotism of political opponents."

Well Mr Mcaffy you have your character description above.

You have been advised (http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/attack.png) ........
many times you still continue, therefore you have been classified as a Mental case. After all these years on the boards NO WOMAN on your avatar ....and it's obvious you prefer self gratification......continue and as days go by......soon you will end up in a nice place specialising for mentally defective people...like you!

In reply to your comments... take a look at my avatar.....!

:censored:

(http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/sta+arxidia_mou.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 28, 2019, 03:22:58 PM

Joseph McCarthy is an American hero. No big surprise that the joo Communists who control the media have tried to discredit him. :whistle: :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 28, 2019, 03:54:45 PM

Quote from: Confederate on June 28, 2019, 03:22:58 PM

Joseph McCarthy is an American hero. No big surprise that the joo Communists who control the media have tried to discredit him. :whistle: :coffeeread:

Obviously you forgot how to read properly

Shame..........

:(

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on June 28, 2019, 05:41:53 PM

Quote from: Confederate on June 28, 2019, 11:15:30 AM

Quote from: dnhptrs7 on June 28, 2019, 08:13:04 AM
:8) you mean media wont news it to the public?

That statement is nonsensical in English.

Perhaps a Google translation error? Maybe the statement is more like " you mean the media won't release real or fake news to the public?" :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on June 29, 2019, 11:34:17 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 28, 2019, 03:54:45 PM

Quote from: Confederate on June 28, 2019, 03:22:58 PM
Joseph McCarthy is an American hero. No big surprise that the joo Communists who control the media have tried to discredit him. :whistle: :coffeeread:

Obviously you forgot how to read properly

Shame..........

:(

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

WTF a naked man statue??? Does that equal doing it the Greek way? :smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 30, 2019, 12:18:54 AM

Quote from: cufflinks on June 29, 2019, 11:34:17 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 28, 2019, 03:54:45 PM
Quote from: Confederate on June 28, 2019, 03:22:58 PM
Joseph McCarthy is an American hero. No big surprise that the joo Communists who control the media have tried to discredit him. :whistle: :coffeeread:

Obviously you forgot how to read properly

Shame..........

:(

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

WTF a naked man statue??? Does that equal doing it the Greek way? :smokin:

Mr McCuffy

Suggest to ask a Greek to explain you what the picture depicts.....

already I gave you a descreiption of your character......see bellow again....

"Joseph McCarthy was known for alleging that numerous Communists and Soviet spies and sympathizers had infiltrated the United States federal government, universities, film industry and elsewhere.

Ultimately, the smear tactics that he used created the term "McCarthyism", coined in 1950 in reference to McCarthy's practices, was soon applied to similar anti-communist activities.

Today, the term is used more broadly to mean demagogic, reckless, and unsubstantiated accusations, as well as public attacks on the character or patriotism of political opponents."

If after all that you still don't get it...then there is not much to say about you.....

Here something to make you happy....

GROUNDBREAKING! Putin: Liberal Idea Is Obsolete; Liberalism Outlived Its Purpose! Deal With It!

Finally listen to this tune........God save America..... copy from GB :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat

MAYBE this is more appropriate in your case! :king:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 30, 2019, 06:58:36 AM

President Trump doing what we expect from a leader

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: shakespear on June 30, 2019, 09:07:04 AM

Watched the Democrat Debates last week.

Free healthcare to illegal immigrants?

Decriminalizing illegal border crossings?

Massive tax increases?

No way to win a national election.

However, Trump better keep an eye on Kamala Harris. Intelligent black
woman who won't make the same mistakes as Hillary could become a
formidable opponent.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 30, 2019, 12:00:27 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 30, 2019, 09:07:04 AM

Watched the Democrat Debates last week.

Free healthcare to illegal immigrants?

Decriminalizing illegal border crossings?

Massive tax increases?

No way to win a national election.

However, Trump better keep an eye on Kamala Harris. Intelligent black
woman who won't make the same mistakes as Hillary could become a
formidable opponent.

Intelligent black woman?

More like a harpie who slept her way to the top. :chuckle:

I’m only surprised she hasn’t offered him a little “something something” to become the Republican VP on the ticket instead of Pence.

In the meantime offering a bunch of “free” stuff isn’t really that hard is it?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 30, 2019, 12:38:17 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 30, 2019, 06:58:36 AM

President Trump doing what we expect from a leader

1st President to ever step foot into North Korea!

Trump 2020.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on June 30, 2019, 01:10:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on June 30, 2019, 12:38:17 PM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 30, 2019, 06:58:36 AM
President Trump doing what we expect from a leader

1st President to ever step foot into North Korea!

Trump 2020.

Plenty of theatre, many meetings with various opposing leaders......but final result nothing to show for.

Kim still continue his tests ......and don't worry BECAUSE he has nuclear weapons.

Sanctions to everybody, threats of war to Iran,

Iran is not afraid to fight if he gets attacked.!

Xin (China) with his unimpressed face showed Tramp his feelings for his sanctions and Putin is laughing all the way to the Bank.

Of course DONALD will be re-elected in 2020 to show us.......how strong leader and negotiator is!

YES i REMEMBER ANOTHER GA GA President before this one.....

:coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 30, 2019, 01:42:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 30, 2019, 09:07:04 AM

Watched the Democrat Debates last week.

Free healthcare to illegal immigrants?

Decriminalizing illegal border crossings?

Massive tax increases?

No way to win a national election.

However, Trump better keep an eye on Kamala Harris. Intelligent black
woman who won't make the same mistakes as Hillary could become a
formidable opponent.

She is a left wing kook
1. She is for reparations for slavery
2. She refused to go after the death penalty for cop killers
3. She is for healthcare for illegal aliens
4. Like Hillary she lies about her past and how she grew up.
5. She is a Kook

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 30, 2019, 04:02:30 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 30, 2019, 01:10:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on June 30, 2019, 12:38:17 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on June 30, 2019, 06:58:36 AM
President Trump doing what we expect from a leader

1st President to ever step foot into North Korea!

Trump 2020.

Plenty of theatre, many meetings with various opposing leaders......but final result nothing to show for.

Kim still continue his tests ......and don't worry BECAUSE he has nuclear weapons.

Sanctions to everybody, threats of war to Iran,

Iran is not afraid to fight if he gets attacked.!

Xin (China) with his unimpressed face showed Tramp his feelings for his sanctions and Putin is laughing all the way to the Bank.

Of course DONALD will be re-elected in 2020 to show us.......how strong leader and negotiator is!

YES i REMEMBER ANOTHER GA GA President before this one.....

:coffeeread:

Wiz, when was the last nuclear test made in N. Korea?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on June 30, 2019, 04:40:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 30, 2019, 09:07:04 AM

However, Trump better keep an eye on Kamala Harris. Intelligent black
woman who won't make the same mistakes as Hillary could become a
formidable opponent.

Kamala working her way to the top slept with California's Speaker of the Assembly, Willie Brown, a married man who is a well known playboy. He is 31 years Kamala's senior and gave her a $80,000 a year job and a BMW in the 90's. Willie Brown then moved on and impregnated his top fund raiser.

Willie Brown would fit in with us. He is now with a Russian woman who is 37 years younger than him.

http://heavy.com/news/2019/01/sonya-molodetskaya-willie-brown-partner/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on June 30, 2019, 05:54:00 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 30, 2019, 01:10:28 PM

Quote from: Confederate on June 30, 2019, 12:38:17 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on June 30, 2019, 06:58:36 AM
President Trump doing what we expect from a leader

1st President to ever step foot into North Korea!

Trump 2020.

Plenty of theatre, many meetings with various opposing leaders......but final result nothing to show for.

Kim still continue his tests ......and don't worry BECAUSE he has nuclear weapons.

Sanctions to everybody, threats of war to Iran,

Iran is not afraid to fight if he gets attacked.!

Xin (China) with his unimpressed face showed Tramp his feelings for his sanctions and Putin is laughing all the way to the Bank.

Of course DONALD will be re-elected in 2020 to show us.......how strong leader and negotiator is!

YES i REMEMBER ANOTHER GA GA President before this one.....

:coffeeread:

Wiz, at least President Trump is a tad bit friendly than May.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48795720

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on June 30, 2019, 07:18:27 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on June 30, 2019, 01:42:12 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 30, 2019, 09:07:04 AM
Watched the Democrat Debates last week.

Free healthcare to illegal immigrants?

Decriminalizing illegal border crossings?

Massive tax increases?

No way to win a national election.

However, Trump better keep an eye on Kamala Harris. Intelligent black
woman who won't make the same mistakes as Hillary could become a
formidable opponent.

She is a left wing kook
1. She is for reparations for slavery
2. She refused to go after the death penalty for cop killers
3. She is for healthcare for illegal aliens
4. Like Hillary she lies about her past and how she grew up.
5. She is a Kook

I forgot, she also wants to End Private health insurance.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 30, 2019, 08:07:03 PM

Quote from: BillyB on June 30, 2019, 04:40:46 PM

Quote from: shakespear on June 30, 2019, 09:07:04 AM
However, Trump better keep an eye on Kamala Harris. Intelligent black
woman who won't make the same mistakes as Hillary could become a
formidable opponent.

Kamala working her way to the top slept with California's Speaker of the Assembly, Willie Brown, a married man who is a well known playboy. He is 31 years Kamala's senior and gave her a $80,000 a year job and a BMW in the 90's. Willie Brown then moved on and impregnated his top fund raiser.

Willie Brown would fit in with us. He is now with a Russian woman who is 37 years younger than him.

http://heavy.com/news/2019/01/sonya-molodetskaya-willie-brown-partner/

IMO she’s a “fancy” woman with self-esteem issues. In the interview she acknowledges that Willie Brown likely cheats on her as he’s known to be a Playboy. And he’s still married to his wife since 1957.

Just to piss off Steveboy I’ll also mention that she’s Jewish.

I wouldn’t agree with you either that Willie could “fit in with us”. She left the Soviet many years ago and it’s not like he went over there to find her.

So sort of.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on June 30, 2019, 08:17:17 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on June 30, 2019, 07:18:27 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on June 30, 2019, 01:42:12 PM
Quote from: shakespear on June 30, 2019, 09:07:04 AM
Watched the Democrat Debates last week.

Free healthcare to illegal immigrants?

Decriminalizing illegal border crossings?

Massive tax increases?

No way to win a national election.

However, Trump better keep an eye on Kamala Harris. Intelligent black
woman who won't make the same mistakes as Hillary could become a
formidable opponent.

She is a left wing kook
1. She is for reparations for slavery
2. She refused to go after the death penalty for cop killers
3. She is for healthcare for illegal aliens
4. Like Hillary she lies about her past and how she grew up.
5. She is a Kook

I forgot, she also wants to End Private health insurance.

And she’s an immoral skank who used her affair with Willie Brown to gain a political career and an expensive car. IOW she’s not qualified to criticize Trump’s private life.

There was a time when such things mattered and a persons character was judged accordingly. It was the Democrats who tore down standards, but tried to derail Trumps run for the Presidency with his previous actions.

I see no reason why Republicans should be civil about her past. All’s fair in politics and war in my book. Hope that a Republican PAC runs ads calling her out. Sex harassment isn’t only committed by men. It’s also committed by women of low character like Kamala who cause better qualified women to be overlooked.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 01, 2019, 01:26:58 AM

Quote from: Confederate on June 28, 2019, 07:30:21 AM

The media won’t be happy with Trump no matter what he does!

CNN, 2016: "TRUMP WILL RUIN THE ECONOMY!!!"

CNN, 2018: "TRUMP HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GREAT ECONOMY!!"

Libs, 2017: "OMG! TRUMP WILL START A NUCLEAR WAR WITH NORTH KOREA!!!"

Libs, 2019: "OMG! TRUMP IS HAVING DIPLOMATIC MEETINGS AGAIN WITH NORTH KOREA!!!"

And so it goes....

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 01, 2019, 01:35:06 AM

Quote from: shakespear on June 30, 2019, 09:07:04 AM

Watched the Democrat Debates last week.

Free healthcare to illegal immigrants?

Decriminalizing illegal border crossings?

Massive tax increases?

No way to win a national election.

However, Trump better keep an eye on Kamala Harris. Intelligent black
woman who won't make the same mistakes as Hillary could become a
formidable opponent.

They all went Full-Retard.

Basically: Open borders + Free Healthcare for Illegals, which won't be free because American Citizens will pay for it.

Full-Retard Achieved.

I wonder which one of them will promise a free pony to everyone? My guess is Gillibrand.

Also, Beto: "I speak a language similar to Spanish, and I can pander in two languages."

Booker: "I can't believe you did my thing before I did my thing!"

Marianne Williamson: "I like peyote so much I took a shitload of it before the debate and washed it down with a liter of red wine from CostCo. I'm going to drunk-dial the Prime Minister of New Zealand now."

Prime Minister of New Zealand: {Changing phone number.}

And so it goes.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 01, 2019, 01:47:56 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 01, 2019, 01:26:58 AM

CNN, 2016: "TRUMP WILL RUIN THE ECONOMY!!!"

His trade wars have slowed down growth and he will blame everyone else

Quote from: B.B. on July 01, 2019, 01:26:58 AM

CNN, 2018: "TRUMP HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GREAT ECONOMY!!"

Correct... The world was recovering from 2007 ....no matter who led the nations

Quote from: B.B. on July 01, 2019, 01:26:58 AM

Libs, 2017: "OMG! TRUMP WILL START A NUCLEAR WAR WITH NORTH KOREA!!!"

He's just (with the UK) happy to kiss S.Arabia's arse and aid proxy wars

Quote from: B.B. on July 01, 2019, 01:26:58 AM

Libs, 2019: "OMG! TRUMP IS HAVING DIPLOMATIC MEETINGS AGAIN WITH NORTH KOREA!!!"

And so it goes....

Nought achieved...but may end in US giving aid to stop Nuke build-up....until next time the regime is short of cash and will rack up tensions to get a hand out..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 01, 2019, 07:39:27 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on June 30, 2019, 05:54:00 PM

Quote from: Wiz on June 30, 2019, 01:10:28 PM
Quote from: Confederate on June 30, 2019, 12:38:17 PM
Quote from: Tom Cat on June 30, 2019, 06:58:36 AM
President Trump doing what we expect from a leader

1st President to ever step foot into North Korea!

Trump 2020.

Plenty of theatre, many meetings with various opposing leaders......but final result nothing to show for.

Kim still continue his tests ......and don't worry BECAUSE he has nuclear weapons.

Sanctions to everybody, threats of war to Iran,

Iran is not afraid to fight if he gets attacked.!

Xin (China) with his unimpressed face showed Tramp his feelings for his sanctions and Putin is laughing all the way to the Bank.

Of course DONALD will be re-elected in 2020 to show us.......how strong leader and negotiator is!

YES i REMEMBER ANOTHER GA GA President before this one.....

:coffeeread:

Wiz, at least President Trump is a tad bit friendly than May.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48795720

Firstly: North Korea has conducted six nuclear tests, in 2006, 2009, 2013, twice in 2016, and in 2017. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_North_Korea) .....follow this link.

UK PM OR US PRESIDENT?

Well Don MAC is slightly better clown than the ugly bird, Theresa ....... competing with a professional like Vladimir...... He had a good practice for the past 18 years and Tramp is slightly apprehensive... when Putin put his hand on top of his! :nod: :laugh:

T. May thought and tried to emulate Margaret Thatcher..... and failed completely, causing a lot of financial trouble to many people changing the immigration rules and regulation Non Stop.... all the time giving the impression of England been not a welcome place.

Putin probably whispered her..... "Sorry not tonight Josephine" and any woman would be angry.........if she could not have a good night service.

T. May, fcuked the UK economy big time.....with her Austerity measures, Universal Credit and many other decisions...... we now wait to see her final laws going through the parliament before she goes to obscurity to write he memoirs........

I think Manny and Andrew could help her improve her image, ghost writing her book/s :laugh:

If you have time...read these articles on Manny's favoured Paper:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/30/excluded-isolated-humiliated-history-theresa-may-visits-brussels (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/30/excluded-isolated-humiliated-history-theresa-may-visits-brussels)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/07/theresa-may-a-political-obituary-in-five-charts (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/07/theresa-may-a-political-obituary-in-five-charts)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/26/end-game-fall-of-theresa-may (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/26/end-game-fall-of-theresa-may)

tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 01, 2019, 04:32:44 PM

Now for a reality check (Why Trump wins in 2020):

CORSI EXPOSES TRUTH | TRUMP RECRUITED BY MILITARY!!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 02, 2019, 02:38:17 PM

Money is the Mother's Milk and Lifeblood of Politics... seems the radical left Democrat Socialists of America and their CPUSA doppelgangers are being taken seriously by the remaining capitalists and patriots in the USA who are swelling Trump's and the GOP's War Chests:

Trump Campaign Pulls in $105 Million in Latest Fundraising Haul

BY ZACHARY STIEBER
July 2, 2019 Updated: July 2, 2019

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-campaign-pulls-in-105-million-in-latest-fundraising-haul_2986774.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 03, 2019, 12:02:43 AM

Quote from: msmoby on July 01, 2019, 01:47:56 AM

{Words}

So here's what you need to know, Mobes.

A. I actually approve a lot of your posts, because I'm a fair-minded guy.

B. I don't otherwise give a f*ck what you have to say about anything, particularly US politics.

C. You might therefore, be advised not to bother me with your opinions.

Regards,

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 03, 2019, 06:00:12 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 03, 2019, 12:02:43 AM

A. I actually approve a lot of your posts, because I'm a fair-minded guy.

I realised this..

Quote from: B.B. on July 03, 2019, 12:02:43 AM

B. I don't otherwise give a f*ck what you have to say about anything, particularly US politics.

I realised THAT, too ;)

Quote from: B.B. on July 03, 2019, 12:02:43 AM

C. You might therefore, be advised not to bother me with your opinions.

Regards,

B/B

:laugh:

You being the fair minded chap that you are - you'll appreciate - that if your POTUS continues with his brain-farts - naturally they WILL illicit a response

That you for dealing with my points ..

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 03, 2019, 07:55:37 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 03, 2019, 12:02:43 AM

Quote from: msmoby on July 01, 2019, 01:47:56 AM
{Words}

So here's what you need to know, Mobes.

A. I actually approve a lot of your posts, because I'm a fair-minded guy.

B. I don't otherwise give a f*ck what you have to say about anything, particularly US politics.

C. You might therefore, be advised not to bother me with your opinions.

Regards,

B/B

There’s no choice in the Presidential race: vote for Trump or vote for full-on Communism and a country ruled by street thugs.

Conservative gay journalist beaten by Antifa mob in Portland. CNN and other Commie left-wing rags downplay what happened.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/antifa-attacks-a-journalist-11562021361

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 03, 2019, 08:11:11 AM

Vox offers the lefty view.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2019/7/3/20677645/antifa-portland-andy-ngo-proud-boys

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 03, 2019, 09:31:56 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 01, 2019, 01:35:06 AM

They all went Full-Retard.

Basically: Open borders + Free Healthcare for Illegals, which won't be free because American Citizens will pay for it.

Full-Retard Achieved.

I wonder which one of them will promise a free pony to everyone? My guess is Gillibrand.

Also, Beto: "I speak a language similar to Spanish, and I can pander in two languages."
And so it goes.

B/B

I've resolved to call Beto Beta till he's out of the race.

The Dem's lost over a thousand seats in various elections
after passing Obamacare now think that ending private
Health insurance is the way to go.

(https://cloudinary.cagle.com/image/upload/w_600/cartoons/227107.png)

(http://cdn.creators.com/218/257284/257284_image.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 03, 2019, 01:38:32 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 03, 2019, 07:55:37 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 03, 2019, 12:02:43 AM
Quote from: msmoby on July 01, 2019, 01:47:56 AM
{Words}

So here's what you need to know, Mobes.

A. I actually approve a lot of your posts, because I'm a fair-minded guy.

B. I don't otherwise give a f*ck what you have to say about anything, particularly US politics.

C. You might therefore, be advised not to bother me with your opinions.

Regards,

B/B

There’s no choice in the Presidential race: vote for Trump or vote for full-on Communism and a country ruled by street thugs.

Conservative gay journalist beaten by Antifa mob in Portland. CNN and other Commie left-wing rags downplay what happened.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/antifa-attacks-a-journalist-11562021361

Statement of Portland Police Association:

It doesn’t matter if our citizens are democrats or republicans; no one should be attacked in the streets of our city. Good leadership means taking the reins and stepping forward to let people know when there is wrongdoing. The law is applicable no matter which side you’re on.

Where are the voices condemning the lawlessness and violence? If this violence had been directed at Antifa, there would have been an immediate call for an independent, outside investigation. This is a perfect example of Portland politics at work and why our great City is now under fire in the national news.

The Mayor, our Police Commissioner, is not allowed to use the rank and file officers of the Portland Police Bureau as a shield to deflect Portland’s negative press nationwide. As we have said before and will continue to say: Police officers work to uphold the Constitution, including the right to free speech. It’s our job to ensure that our community can peacefully protest without fear of violence but right now our hands are tied.

It’s time for our Mayor to do two things: tell both ANTIFA and Proud Boys that our City will not accept violence in our City and remove the handcuffs from our officers and let them stop the violence through strong and swift enforcement action. Enough is enough.

Daryl Turner, President
Portland Police Association

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: yankee on July 03, 2019, 01:53:01 PM

Maybe this is why Boston is hosting a "straight" pride parade. The news is hinting that it is anti anti-straight.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 03, 2019, 02:18:35 PM

Quote from: yankee on July 03, 2019, 01:53:01 PM

Maybe this is why Boston is hosting a "straight" pride parade. The news is hinting that it is anti anti-straight.

What does that even mean?

All I know is this LBTQ garbage is out of control.

Not sure if it’s true but on FB a Conservative is claiming the state of California is threatening to shut down traditional church’s and schools who don’t believe in gay marriage and sex change garbage.

The state apparently might try to take custody of a boy who wants to become a girl but the parents say absolutely not!

That is child abuse by the government— no way a child can make such a choice, and the kids become confused by the sicko’s pushing their agenda.

So yes, let’s have a parade for normies!! What a concept!!

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on July 05, 2019, 04:35:57 PM

Quote

“These people are all about money. They don’t have a heart. They are garbage.”

Quote

“Don Jr. is an idiot. He’s a jerk,” and instructed us, “Put it down: ‘You are a jerk.’ Put it in capital letters!”

He added: “They are nobody . . . They are disgusting. We are talking about kids who are so stupid, except Ivanka.”

Rubicondi raged on, “They are a piece of scum. Before they say anything about me, I will wash their mouth out with soap! They are disgrace for human being.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ivana-trump-ex-rossano-rubicondi-trump-kids_n_5d1f75e9e4b01b834735ca5f

This guy doesn't mince his words. :chuckle: :reading:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 05, 2019, 05:41:48 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on July 05, 2019, 04:35:57 PM

Quote
“These people are all about money. They don’t have a heart. They are garbage.”

Quote
“Don Jr. is an idiot. He’s a jerk,” and instructed us, “Put it down: ‘You are a jerk.’ Put it in capital letters!”

He added: “They are nobody . . . They are disgusting. We are talking about kids who are so stupid, except Ivanka.”

Rubicondi raged on, “They are a piece of scum. Before they say anything about me, I will wash their mouth out with soap! They are disgrace for human being.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ivana-trump-ex-rossano-rubicondi-trump-kids_n_5d1f75e9e4b01b834735ca5f

This guy doesn't mince his words. :chuckle: :reading:

Must be a liberal infected link - my Bitdefender Anti-Malware Agent and Firewall gave this dire warning:

This infected web site has been blocked.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 05, 2019, 05:47:21 PM

Gawd Almighty that was Rich LOLOLOL...

The Mobster, best known for rampant profuse wretched Verbal Diarrhea - actually accusing the POTUS of Brain Pharts...

Almost dropped my Scotch and Victory Cigar :smokin:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on July 05, 2019, 11:48:10 PM

Quote from: msmoby on July 01, 2019, 01:47:56 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 01, 2019, 01:26:58 AM

CNN, 2016: "TRUMP WILL RUIN THE ECONOMY!!!"

His trade wars have slowed down growth and he will blame everyone else

Slowed growth huh?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/05/economy/june-jobs-report/index.html

Over 224,000 new jobs in June, here in Canada we lost 2200.

US unemployment rate us 3.7%, Canada's is 5.5%

Yeah, the trade wars are really screwing up their economy... sure wish we had that problem!

Better prepare the whine about Trump for a second term :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 06, 2019, 03:04:48 AM

Jobs always lag behind the overall economy, there's obvious reasons for that.

However, drill into the numbers and see how many are full-time breadwinner jobs.

Then look at the more accurate workforce participation rate. When looking in particular at the latter, the employment situation is nowhere near as rosy as the propaganda figures suggest.

In case my last point seems unclear, let me ask you a question, as a mind experiment.
If you lost your job tomorrow, you'd need an income to survive, yes? You'd rely upon unemployment support for a while, and supplement it with savings. If you did not immediately find a job you might look at selling your home and moving into a smaller place or a rental.
So, the question, how long would it be before you no longer needed a job? 1 month? 3 months? 6 months? A year? You'd always need a job?

OK, so, in the Land of the Free, once you have been unemployed for more than 6 months you are no longer counted as being unemployed, you do not figure in the unemployment stats. So, all long term unemployed in the USA are not on the unemployment figures. However, they ARE recorded in the labor force participation stats and those present a worrying picture!

More broadly, as a result of Trump's isolationist policies, international trade is down, US exports to China are down, but imports from China are still on an upward trend. The president is urging the FED to reduce interest rates in order to help the US economy be more competitive. US businesses are investing in in SE Asia, not returning manufacturing to the US. The latter was inevitable, U.S firms are now competing with Chinese firms in outsourcing to SE Asia because China is no longer the location of the cheapest labor but the region is where the logistics networks are based. The US is merely the long end of the delivery route.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 06, 2019, 04:06:17 AM

D672

YOU just posted a link that IF you chose read all of it... backs up my contention... Uncertainty in the world.... 'trade wars'... Surprisingly modest wages increase for a 'booming economy'...housing market uncertainty...

I am sure 'Trampu' will not take 'credit' for things slowing down...

Will US voters realise that 'trade wars' result in down-turns?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 06, 2019, 10:23:38 AM

Quote from: d672 on July 05, 2019, 11:48:10 PM

US unemployment rate us 3.7%, Canada's is 5.5%

Here is some information that would bolster your position.

The official Unemployment rate is called U3 which is what we hear about in the
news. A better example of unemployment is called U6 which includes discouraged workers who stopped looking and people who work at part time jobs when they
really want full time jobs. So U6 unemployment includes all those people that
Andrew alluded to in his post.

U6 Unemployment was at 9.3% when Trump took office. It's at 7.2 now. ₁
So it's headed in the right direction.

The other thing is the labor participation rate which has been slowly rising which
is good because we have so many baby boomers retiring and leaving the workforce
yet we are still growing at a rate higher than that.
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Black unemployment is as low as it's ever been since they started measuring
it. ₂

Food Stamp Recipients Are Down 4,123,082 Under Trump.₃

They cut tax rates and the treasury actually received more money because
the economy expanded to make up for it. ₄Of course the yo-yo's
in congress spent even more so the deficit and the debt grew.

1. https://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate
2. https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000006
3. https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-arter/number-people-food-stamps-down-41-million-trump-took-office
4. https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on July 06, 2019, 01:09:36 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 06, 2019, 03:04:48 AM

Jobs always lag behind the overall economy, there's obvious reasons for that.

However, drill into the numbers and see how many are full-time breadwinner jobs.

Then look at the more accurate workforce participation rate. When looking in particular at the latter, the employment situation is nowhere near as rosy as the propaganda figures suggest.

In case my last point seems unclear, let me ask you a question, as a mind experiment.
If you lost your job tomorrow, you'd need an income to survive, yes? You'd rely upon unemployment support for a while, and supplement it with savings. If you did not immediately find a job you might look at selling your home and moving into a smaller place or a rental.
So, the question, how long would it be before you no longer needed a job? 1 month? 3 months? 6 months? A year? You'd always need a job?

OK, so, in the Land of the Free, once you have been unemployed for more than 6 months you are no longer counted as being unemployed, you do not figure in the unemployment stats. So, all long term unemployed in the USA are not on the unemployment figures. However, they ARE recorded in the labor force participation stats and those present a worrying picture!

More broadly, as a result of Trump's isolationist policies, international trade is down, US exports to China are down, but imports from China are still on an upward trend. The president is urging the FED to reduce interest rates in order to help the US economy be more competitive. US businesses are investing in in SE Asia, not returning manufacturing to the US. The latter was inevitable, U.S firms are now competing with Chinese firms in outsourcing to SE Asia because China is no longer the location of the cheapest labor but the region is where the logistics networks are based. The US is merely the long end of the delivery route.

Our unemployment rates are calculated the same way, yet the US is still ahead of us and we didn't start a trade war. In fact in just over 2 1/2 years there were over 5 million new jobs created, 4.7 million by Feb according to this link and more since then...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-has-trump-really-fared-on-the-jobs-front-this-chart-puts-it-in-perspective-2019-02-06

The tariffs started last year, how come growth in the US is still rising at such a high rate if Trumps policies are as damaging as you claim? Surely by now things should be slowing down if you were right.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/02/01/manufacturers-added-6-times-more-jobs-under-trump-than-under-obamas-last-2-years/#258749895635

And if US businesses are not returning manufacturing to the US then why are so many manufacturing jobs being created under Trump? 467,000 of them from the time he got in to Feb. And if you look at that link I posted for Moby, 17,000 more for June alone.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on July 06, 2019, 01:46:32 PM

Quote from: msmoby on July 06, 2019, 04:06:17 AM

D672

YOU just posted a link that IF you chose read all of it... backs up my contention... Uncertainty in the world.... 'trade wars'... Surprisingly modest wages increase for a 'booming economy'...housing market uncertainty...

I am sure 'Trampu' will not take 'credit' for things slowing down...

Will US voters realise that 'trade wars' result in down-turns?

I purposely used a CNN link because they are probably the most anti Trump out of all the msm yet even they had to acknowledge the huge month of job creation, but of course they are going to downplay it. Tell me, since when is 3.1% a "modest" wage increase? That is good! Ours here last year was only 2.4%.

And of course some day there will be a slow down, it has to one day. So what? It happens with every country and economy. It's inevitable. The tariffs have been on for a year now and things are still booming for the States. If Trump's policies are so damaging then why aren't they effecting the States by now? Why aren't they going into a recession?
When is the sky going to fall down Chicken Little? :laugh:

Face it, as much as you wish it were not true, Trump is doing great for the US, meanwhile our leftist govt is managing to piss off almost every major trading partner we have and is running our economy into the ground. Trudeau even had to eat some humble pie last week and ask Trump if he could talk to China for us to help out! lol!
Like I said, I sure wish we had the problems the US has!

And for you Americans reading this, take a good look at what is happening up here. This is where you would be at if you had a weak socialist govt who has no business sense running the show.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 06, 2019, 02:13:08 PM

Quote from: d672 on July 06, 2019, 01:46:32 PM

Quote from: msmoby on July 06, 2019, 04:06:17 AM
D672

YOU just posted a link that IF you chose read all of it... backs up my contention... Uncertainty in the world.... 'trade wars'... Surprisingly modest wages increase for a 'booming economy'...housing market uncertainty...

I am sure 'Trampu' will not take 'credit' for things slowing down...

Will US voters realise that 'trade wars' result in down-turns?

I purposely used a CNN link because they are probably the most anti Trump out of all the msm yet even they had to acknowledge the huge month of job creation, but of course they are going to downplay it. Tell me, since when is 3.1% a "modest" wage increase? That is good! Ours here last year was only 2.4%.

And of course some day there will be a slow down, it has to one day. So what? It happens with every country and economy. It's inevitable. The tariffs have been on for a year now and things are still booming for the States. If Trump's policies are so damaging then why aren't they effecting the States by now? Why aren't they going into a recession?
When is the sky going to fall down Chicken Little? :laugh:

Face it, as much as you wish it were not true, Trump is doing great for the US, meanwhile our leftist govt is managing to piss off almost every major trading partner we have and is running our economy into the ground. Trudeau even had to eat some humble pie last week and ask Trump if he could talk to China for us to help out! lol!
Like I said, I sure wish we had the problems the US has!

And for you Americans reading this, take a good look at what is happening up here. This is where you would be at if you had a weak socialist govt who has no business sense running the show.

Believe me we know what will happen to our economy if a socialist like Bernie Sanders were to win the Presidency.

After all we suffered 8 years under the Obama regime. Not hearing that SJW pussy lecture us anymore is extremely gratifying. Hearing Trump kick lefty’s in the teeth is even more gratifying.

And Moby? He’s the sad-sack whiner who can’t accept that the U.K. voted to leave the EU.

Just like the Putinista’s live in an alternative reality when it comes to Russian warmongering in Georgia and Ukraine, Moby has his fantasies about the U.K. and Trump. :coffeeread:

BTW your posts are great to read! You should post more often.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 06, 2019, 11:29:24 PM

Quote from: d672 on July 06, 2019, 01:46:32 PM

I purposely used a CNN link because they are probably the most anti Trump out of all the msm yet even they had to acknowledge the huge month of job creation, but of course they are going to downplay it. Tell me, since when is 3.1% a "modest" wage increase? That is good! Ours here last year was only 2.4%.

I realise you might think answering a question with questions might be a tactic 'Trampu' might use, but my closing point is that his 'trade wars' have slowed down economies ..even if you choose to ignore the signs, or that we'll known expression about when the US catches a cold, smaller nations might catch the 'flu?

Quote from: d672 on July 06, 2019, 01:46:32 PM

And of course some day there will be a slow down, it has to one day. So what? It happens with every country and economy. It's inevitable. The tariffs have been on for a year now and things are still booming for the States. If Trump's policies are so damaging then why aren't they effecting the States by now? Why aren't they going into a recession?
When is the sky going to fall down Chicken Little? :laugh:

They are, but even when this is spoon-fed to you....not just by me... you dismiss your own link as 'biased' for posting out the signs....!

Indeed, economies are cyclical, but one can check and see for policies that are causal to trigger downturns.... if one is open-minded....

Quote from: d672 on July 06, 2019, 01:46:32 PM

Face it, as much as you wish it were not true, Trump is doing great for the US

'Sure', he is..... if your viewpoint is as myopic, selective as yours appears to be...

Quote from: d672 on July 06, 2019, 01:46:32 PM

meanwhile our leftist govt is managing to piss off almost every major trading partner we have and is running our economy into the ground. Trudeau even had to eat some humble pie last week and ask Trump if he could talk to China for us to help out! lol!
Like I said, I sure wish we had the problems the US has!

You guys now have free trade deals with the EU and do not have the immigration issues that the US has ...given it's land border with Mexico... You have elections, this year..if you wish tof remove Trudeau. ...

Quote from: d672 on July 06, 2019, 01:46:32 PM

And for you Americans reading this, take a good look at what is happening up here. This is where you would be at if you had a weak socialist govt who has no business sense running the show.

Nonsense, you think a right of centre govt would have handled the bully boy trade 'negotiation 'tactics any better?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 07, 2019, 07:34:35 AM

Interesting to note why the USA economy is still booming despite the Marxists MSM dire warning of using tariffs to negotiate True Reciprocal and Balanced Free Trade Agreements with our trading partners - one thing Trump learned well from Mexico is if you want to sell your products in our country BUILD YOUR DAMNED FACTORIES HERE and hire USA workers and US SMB supply chains to manufacture your Cars etc using the most rigerous Quaty Controls and your vaunted Japanese and German and even Italian Robotics alongside our workers.

Japan and South Korea have gotten the message and comparatively our unlimited land and Energy of all types is almost as cheap as Canandian Hydro Power so setting up here is actually a smart long term investment for the next 400 years or so.

The EU Biotechs, MedTechs, and HighTechs have gotten the message as well and are setting up all over New England and the Eastern and Mid USA by the droves.

As for the inscrutable and dastardly EVIL Communist Freaking Red Chinese - they have consumed too much of their own propaganda and poisoned and tainted Food, Water and Air and are suffering mass psychosis and ignore the fact that they are surrounded by 2 Billion equally high IQ South East Asians from Indonesia and Malaysia, Thailand Philippines and Burma to all of India... who are not sitting around twiddling their thumbs but are actively courting the Multinationals supply chains without the IP Theft and forced technology transfers of the Communist Freaking Red Chinese and are actually reciprocal win win trading partners who admire the USA and want to do LONG TERM business with us and have been scrambling in a modern day Oklahoma style land rush to replace the inscrutable CFRCs who have been bribing the Clinton's and Obamunistas for decades and supporting them via the DSA and CPUSA - Democrat Socialists (Marxists) of America and the Communist Party of the USA.

20 Signs China's Pollution Has Reached Apocalyptic Levels | China Uncensored

9 out 10 cities in China have failed government pollution standards according to China's Ministry of Environmental Protection. A quarter of million Chinese die every year from pollution, rivers turn blood red, and by 2030, China will be COMPLETELY OUT OF WATER! These are just a few of the signs that China's pollution has reached apocalyptic levels, and it's having a global effect on climate change. To find out the rest, watch this episode of China Uncensored.

It is summer and I am enjoying our weather, clean water and fresh air and organic Trader Joe and Whole Foods and even Aldi Organics here in New Moose Hampshire and New England immensely and may have to turn off both LinkedIn and Monster as they are now basically spam engines due to dozens of daily job inquiries - however I did receive a call last week for senior Cyber Security Analysts at both the largest US Financial Services firm and New Tech startup roles with thanks to the CFRC APT10 Advanced Persistent Threat Groups out of Shanghai who brag about their recently revealed Cloud Hopper hacking exploits taking down HPE, IBM and CSC and many others - Thank you Communist Freaking Red China for being the dirty rat baastards that you are!

https://paradigm.press/2019/06/26/beyond-the-u-s-china-trade-war-cold-war-ii/

Beyond The U.S.–China Trade War: Cold War II

This is a long essay so I will copy key section titles and the summation...

The Flawed Globalist Vision for China

The Pence Doctrine and a New Cold War

The U.S.-China Trade War Is About More Than Trade

The Dilemma for China
Almost everything about this threat analysis is wrong. The biggest loser from Chinese dumping of Treasuries would be China. They hold so many that even small steps in the direction of dumping would devalue what remains on their books. U.S. banks (perhaps operating on Treasury orders) could easily absorb the Chinese selling to maintain market stability. If selling did become disorderly, the U.S. could freeze the Chinese accounts (which are held in electronic book entry form on systems controlled by the Treasury and the Fed). China is stuck with what they have. One long-run solution is to buy fewer Treasuries in the future, but that has little or no short-term impact.

China is imposing some restrictions on U.S. investment in China and certain Chinese tech exports to the U.S. While this may impact particular companies such as FedEx, Google and Apple, the impact on the U.S. economy is slight. More to the point, China needs U.S. investment more than the U.S. needs the China market, so these tactics are good only for headlines. They do not help China’s economy.

Another tactic that has received a lot of attention is cutting off supplies of “rare earths” to U.S. and Japanese manufacturers. The rare earths (not that rare, by the way) are a set of 17 elements, mostly metals, that are used in the manufacturing of advanced batteries, sophisticated electronics and certain other specialized processes. China is by far the world’s largest producer of rare earths.

China’s problem with this tactic (as shown in Chart 2 below) is that there are many other rare earth suppliers waiting in the wings. With some lead time and development, Vietnam, Brazil, India and Australia could all ride to the rescue and replace Chinese exports if needed.

This ability to source rare earths from countries other than China points to an even greater weakness in China’s plans for nontariff trade retaliation. Almost everything China sells to the U.S. today can be sourced from other countries in relatively short order. Companies are already shifting supply chains by building new factories or outsourcing to other suppliers in South Asia and Latin America in anticipation of a protracted struggle between the U.S. and China. Once those decisions are made, they are not quickly reversed. China is looking at not just temporary disruption, but permanent losses, if they do not resolve their trade disputes with the U.S. quickly.

President Xi of China is now between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, he has to take a hard line with Trump to avoid losing face and to appease hard-liners in his own Communist Party leadership. On the other hand, China’s economy was already slowing before the trade war began. Any further slowing could produce recessionary and deflationary forces that hurt individuals and companies and undermine the Communist Party’s legitimacy with Chinese citizens.

Trump and Xi will meet in person on the sidelines of the G-20 Leaders’ Summit in Osaka, Japan, on June 28. No doubt this meeting will keep the trade dispute resolution dialogue going. But expectations for a grand bargain should be low. Most likely, the two leaders will make some modest announcements and indicate that talks are ongoing and moving in the right direction. That could give stock markets a modest boost.

The problem is that no leaders’ meeting and no trade negotiation will resolve the larger issues of military and technological dominance in the 21st century. In fact, trade barriers are an important part of defending that dominance, from the U.S. perspective. In the 1960s and 1970s, no one complained that the U.S. was losing out on trade with the Soviet Union when it was understood that we were in a life-or-death struggle with communism. That same ethic is now replacing the globalist fantasy of the 1990s and early 2000s.

Other Trade Fronts Are on Trump’s Radar
Of course, China is not the only front in the ongoing trade wars. Canada, Mexico, Japan and Germany are also in Trump’s crosshairs. That list of countries is not random. They happen to be those nations (in addition to China) that run the largest trade surpluses with the U.S. The distribution of $2.1 trillion of U.S. trade among the five largest trading partners is China at 30%, Canada at 27%, Mexico at 26%, Japan at 9% and Germany at 8%.

A Deeper Dive Into China and Dizzying Trade War Maneuvers
The tariff tennis match with China was more acute. The White House threatened tariffs on a $50 billion list of 1,333 Chinese imports on April 3, 2018. The next day, China announced its own tariff target list of 106 U.S. products. Two days later, on April 5, the White House announced that it was now considering tariffs on another $100 billions of Chinese imports.

Then, in a temporary about-face of intent, on May 29, 2018, the U.S. placed a brief hold on the first $50 billion tariff, only to revise it in June. On June 15, 2018, in retaliation for that revision, China updated its own list. Then, on June 18, President Trump asked for more tariffs on Chinese goods, with the White House creating a list of $200 billion worth of Chinese imports as possible tariff targets, and threatened another $200 billion to come.

By July 20, 2018, President Trump was threatening to impose tariffs on all Chinese imports. Four days later, the administration had to subsidize U.S. soybean farmers with $12 billion for negative repercussions from existing tariffs. On Aug. 1, President Trump announced he wanted tariff rates on Chinese imports increased from 10% to 25% on the $200 billion list of items released on July 1. China responded by threatening tariffs on another $60 billion worth of U.S. products.

And so it went. On Sept. 24, U.S. tariffs on those $200 billion of Chinese products went into effect, as did China’s on the $60 billion of U.S. imports. Things were getting ugly and so were markets trying to keep up with it all.

However, a ray of light shone onto the matter. After their side meeting at the G20 summit in Buenos Aires last December, President Trump and China’s President Xi Jinping agreed to a tariff truce. Neither side would raise or add tariffs until March 1. Markets were happy again.

Now they could worry about whether the Fed would raise rates for a fourth time again in 2018. The Fed did, probably because for a moment the pressure of growing trade wars had been reduced. The markets were unhappy again.

That truce was extended after multiple meetings of trade delegations between the two countries. However, on May 5, 2019, Trump announced he would go ahead and raise tariffs on those $200 billion of Chinese imports because talks weren’t going as planned. This would take effect on June 1. China responded in kind. Market were unhappy again, setting up an abysmal May performance.

So, perhaps in an effort to boost falling markets, President Trump announced on May 17 that he would delay an existing tariff decision that affected EU (mostly German), Japanese and South Korean auto and auto part imports into the U.S. for six months while trade negotiations were in process. That had a calming effect.

However, on May 30, out of what seemed like nowhere, President Trump threatened to increase tariffs on all Mexican imports unless Mexico promised to do more to deter migration across the border. The markets took a dive on the sudden news. A week later, on June 7, President Trump called the tariffs off.

As you can see, markets can’t help but be affected by the uncertainty and volatility from all these dizzying maneuvers. All of this turmoil and back-and-forth and surprise movements have corporations and citizens concerned.

Last week, 600 American retail, manufacturing and tech companies, including well-known names such as Walmart, Costco and Target, warned President Trump about the damage that ongoing tariffs could cause to jobs, consumers and the U.S. economy.

The G20 meeting in Japan next week will no doubt bring more thrills and spills. Trade wars will likely be a key focus of the leaders convening there as well as the media.

Whatever the outcome there, we are certain of this: It will sow the seeds for more uncertainty in the ongoing trade war saga. That’s why this month we are recommending a trade that takes advantage of the surrounding volatility and tension.

A Trade That Profits in Volatile Market Conditions
You can profit from a rise in volatility by buying shares of Interactive Brokers Group (IEX: IBKR). Interactive Brokers is an award-winning, client-focused online brokerage business. It provides automated trade execution and custody of securities, commodities and foreign exchange around the clock on over 125 markets in numerous countries and currencies, from a single platform to clients worldwide. Customers include individual investors, hedge funds, proprietary trading groups, financial advisers and introducing brokers.

IBKR stock is a good play in a more volatile environment. It’s a growth company that’s taking share from brokerage competitors. It has structural competitive advantages in efficiency and order automation. As of May 2019, the firm had 639,000 client accounts, up 20% year over year.

We view Interactive Brokers as the Amazon of the brokerage industry. Like Amazon, it focuses on delivering more value to customers every year. Rising revenue and profits are the end result of delivering value to customers. Considering that E-Trade, TD Ameritrade and Schwab all lowered their commission rates to match IBKR over the past three years, that’s a strong sign that IBKR is the disruptive trendsetter in the industry.

The firm has an owner-operator culture. Founder Thomas Peterffy owns 82% of the stock through 100% ownership of the Class B shares. He’s proven to be an excellent steward for public shareholders of IBKR.

IBKR stock tends to rally in sharp spurts followed by long sideways consolidations. The last growth spurt occurred from May 2017–May 2018. During both of the 2018 spikes in the VIX volatility index, IBKR either rose or held up better than the broad market.

Beyond the short-term catalyst of higher volatility that can push IBKR stock higher, we like the fact that Interactive Brokers is a very high-quality business model with a long runway of growth ahead. As the firm adds new customer accounts from all around the globe and these new customers make trades, a very high percentage of incremental revenue drops to the bottom line. This is the kind of stock you can buy and hold for years, through both bull and bear markets, and expect an above-market return.

You may wonder how this business might fare during the next bear market. If the horrendous 2008–09 bear market is any indication, we are not concerned. Although total revenue fell sharply during the financial crisis, that was mostly due to a decline in Interactive Brokers’ market-making business. The company has been slowly managing the decline in market-making because the returns on investment in electronic brokerage are so much higher.

IBKR’s electronic brokerage segment had $425 million in revenue in 2007. Revenue was actually higher in 2009, at $474 million. That’s a remarkable feat. It was due to market share gains in stressed, volatile market conditions. A decade later, in 2018, brokerage revenue had more than tripled to $1.84 billion.

The growth trajectory of IBKR’s brokerage revenue is impressive. Even better, incremental profits are extremely high. The firm has built up a fixed-cost base that can easily accommodate many more clients. Pretax margins in the brokerage segment were consistently below 50% prior to the financial crisis. Over the past decade, margins have consistently risen and are now 64%. This feat is even more remarkable when you realize that over the past decade, Interactive Brokers led the industry in cutting trading commissions for its clients. Unlike Amazon, which has gained share while reporting losses, IBKR has gained market share while reporting profits.

The consensus Wall Street estimate for IBKR’s 2021 earnings is $3.10 per share. We think that’s conservative. If the company delivers at least $3.50 per share and is awarded a conservative 20–25 P/E multiple, IBKR stock could hit a range of $70–90 within two years. That would be a 30–65% gain from today’s price.

ACTION TO TAKE:
Buy Interactive Brokers Group (IEX: IBKR) up to $57 per share.
When uncertainty and volatility hit markets, investors rush towards safe-haven investments. Read on as my colleague Byron King gives you his analysis and insight on the current gold environment and an opportunity to cash in on the ongoing flight to safety that uncertainty can bring. His discussion and actionable recommendation follow.

All the best...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 07, 2019, 07:40:16 AM

Pocket Quick 36% Gains on This Junior Miner as Gold Continues to Rally
As gold reaches a six-year high, new money is coming into the precious metals sector. With geopolitical tensions on the rise and dovish language from the Fed, investors will turn to safety. Here’s how to play a bullish rally in gold in the coming weeks…

Here’s How to Play a Bullish Environment for Gold
If you don’t want to do any stock picking, look at the Sprott Gold Miners ETF (NYSE: SGDM), which holds a proportionate share of 25 top-tier global gold miners. Plus, we hold the Global X Gold Explorers ETF (NYSE: GOEX). Both offer broad exposure to the precious metals sector. Those are easy calls for the coming gold move.

For more strong leverage to rising gold-silver prices, we hold several royalty ideas. These are Wheaton Precious Metals (NYSE: WPM) (formerly Silver Wheaton), Sandstorm Gold (NYSE: SA5ND) and Osisko Gold Royalties (NYSE: OR). Rising prices benefit these guys quickly, and you’ll see it in the share price moves as gold and silver strengthen.

Plus, we have the mining plays I listed above (Barrick, etc.).

And don’t forget one of the best of the mining plays, a Russian name called Norilsk (OTCBB: NILSY). It’s a Russian company and produces a large amount of the world’s nickel, plus over 40% of the globe’s platinum group metals (PGM).

Finally, let’s revisit a well-run mining play that we had and sold a while back, Teck Resources Ltd. (NYSE: TECK). It has a $12 billion market cap. Shares sell in the $22 range; I expect to see $30 by the end of summer, for a solid 36% gain.

Right now, Teck is making money, yet with a very low price-earnings ratio of 5. The share price has moved up in the past month; with higher gold and silver prices, Teck will continue to rise.

As Nomi discussed earlier, take advantage of market uncertainty and the rush to safety in precious metals.

ACTION TO TAKE:
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That’s it for this month…

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 07, 2019, 12:32:30 PM

Quote from: Wiz on July 07, 2019, 02:48:35 AM

Reminder:

The United States fought the American Revolution primarily over King George III's Currency act, which forced the colonists to conduct their business only using printed bank notes borrowed from the Bank of England at interest.

The banking schemes weren't even a minor reason that the US fought a
war to gain independence. One thing that the founding fathers did is they
drew up a list of grievances and reasons why they were declaring independence
from a King and country who very badly conducted and controlled their lives.

They called that list of grievances and reasons "The Declaration of Independence"

You can read it here

https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

Quote from: Wiz on July 07, 2019, 02:48:35 AM

Reminder:

After the revolution, the new United States adopted a radically different economic system in which the government issued its own value-based money, so that private banks like the Bank of England were not siphoning off the wealth of the people through interest-bearing bank notes.

But bankers are nothing if not dedicated to their schemes to acquire your wealth, and know full well how easy it is to corrupt a nation's leaders.

After the revolution, the States operated under a document called the
"Articles of Confederation". Each of the 13 States had their own currency.

It wasn't until 1789 that the United States came up with our current form
of government as a Constitutional Republic a system under which we had
one currency.

You can read the Articles of Confederation here
https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/artconf.asp

You can read the Constitution of the United States here
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on July 07, 2019, 12:44:26 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 30, 2018, 02:20:22 PM

While not directly related to D. Trump this is an article regarding J. Epstein and his so-called 'Lolita Express'. This has been mentioned on this thread and elsewhere. In fact it points to other officials and is a sad indictment of American 'justice'.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html

It seems J. Epstein has been arrested in New York on new charges of sexual exploitation of girls. While it has taken too long what bothers me is the prosecution attorney who offered a very lenient plea bargain deal is now the Secretary of Labour in the Trump administration. Sort of makes you wonder how he defines labour and exploitation.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 07, 2019, 12:58:48 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 07, 2019, 12:44:26 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on December 30, 2018, 02:20:22 PM
While not directly related to D. Trump this is an article regarding J. Epstein and his so-called 'Lolita Express'. This has been mentioned on this thread and elsewhere. In fact it points to other officials and is a sad indictment of American 'justice'.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html

It seems J. Epstein has been arrested in New York on new charges of sexual exploitation of girls. While it has taken too long what bothers me is the prosecution attorney who offered a very lenient plea bargain deal is now the Secretary of Labour in the Trump administration. Sort of makes you wonder how he defines labour and exploitation.

:laugh:

Will Epstein take Bill Clinton down with him?

Will his little black book also implicate FL neighbor Trump? :o

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 07, 2019, 05:14:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 07, 2019, 12:58:48 PM

Will Epstein take Bill Clinton down with him?

Will his little black book also implicate FL neighbor Trump? :o

Guess who's daughter is going to prosecute him?
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/guess-whose-daughter-is-reportedly-a-prosecutor-in-jeffrey-epstein-case/

Jeffrey Epstein Documents Could Expose Powerful Politicians, Businessmen
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/07/03/jeffrey-epstein-documents-could-expose-powerful-politicians-businessmen/#40e7cc005ac9

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 07, 2019, 05:27:17 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 07, 2019, 05:14:15 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 07, 2019, 12:58:48 PM
Will Epstein take Bill Clinton down with him?

Will his little black book also implicate FL neighbor Trump? :o

Guess who's daughter is going to prosecute him?
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/guess-whose-daughter-is-reportedly-a-prosecutor-in-jeffrey-epstein-case/

Jeffrey Epstein Documents Could Expose Powerful Politicians, Businessmen
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2019/07/03/jeffrey-epstein-documents-could-expose-powerful-politicians-businessmen/#40e7cc005ac9

They better deny him bail!

Otherwise the guy will disappear to Israel which has no extradition treaty.

For those who don’t know he (allegedly) worked for Mossad. His operation on Lolita island was (allegedly) a Mossad honeytrap. Audio and video of politicians and others having sex with underage girls, then extort the pols to do stuff.

Juicy:

In its 27-page decision, the court cited the public’s right to access the case information outweighed the privacy of certain individuals, “including numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well‐known Prime Minister, and other world leaders.”

More:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/epstein-case-oozes-into-israeli-political-mud-as-netanyahu-barak-trade-barbs/amp/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 07, 2019, 07:52:06 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 07, 2019, 12:58:48 PM

Quote from: AvHdB on July 07, 2019, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: AvHdB on December 30, 2018, 02:20:22 PM
While not directly related to D. Trump this is an article regarding J. Epstein and his so-called 'Lolita Express'. This has been mentioned on this thread and elsewhere. In fact it points to other officials and is a sad indictment of American 'justice'.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html

It seems J. Epstein has been arrested in New York on new charges of sexual exploitation of girls. While it has taken too long what bothers me is the prosecution attorney who offered a very lenient plea bargain deal is now the Secretary of Labour in the Trump administration. Sort of makes you wonder how he defines labour and exploitation.

:laugh:

Will Epstein take Bill Clinton down with him?

Will his little black book also implicate FL neighbor Trump? :o

LOL Trump owned the Miss USA and Miss Universe pageants - he was surrounded by the world's best talent literally - also he was not married to the wretched Psycho Hilldabeast and did not need to get his jollies with underaged tang on Epstein's Mossad funded private sex fantasy island.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 07, 2019, 08:00:33 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on July 07, 2019, 07:52:06 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 07, 2019, 12:58:48 PM
Quote from: AvHdB on July 07, 2019, 12:44:26 PM
Quote from: AvHdB on December 30, 2018, 02:20:22 PM
While not directly related to D. Trump this is an article regarding J. Epstein and his so-called 'Lolita Express'. This has been mentioned on this thread and elsewhere. In fact it points to other officials and is a sad indictment of American 'justice'.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html

It seems J. Epstein has been arrested in New York on new charges of sexual exploitation of girls. While it has taken too long what bothers me is the prosecution attorney who offered a very lenient plea bargain deal is now the Secretary of Labour in the Trump administration. Sort of makes you wonder how he defines labour and exploitation.

:laugh:

Will Epstein take Bill Clinton down with him?

Will his little black book also implicate FL neighbor Trump? :o

LOL Trump owned the Miss USA and Miss Universe pageants - he was surrounded by the world's best talent literally - also he was not married to the wretched Psycho Hilldabeast and did not need to get his jollies with underaged tang on Epstein's Mossad funded private sex fantasy island.

Trump also permanently banned Epstein from his Mar A Lago property after Epstein propositioned the daughter of a client.

However there have always been rumors...

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on July 07, 2019, 08:26:27 PM

Quote from: msmoby on July 06, 2019, 11:29:24 PM

Quote from: d672 on July 06, 2019, 01:46:32 PM

I purposely used a CNN link because they are probably the most anti Trump out of all the msm yet even they had to acknowledge the huge month of job creation, but of course they are going to downplay it. Tell me, since when is 3.1% a "modest" wage increase? That is good! Ours here last year was only 2.4%.

I realise you might think answering a question with questions might be a tactic 'Trampu' might use, but my closing point is that his 'trade wars' have slowed down economies ..even if you choose to ignore the signs, or that we'll known expression about when the US catches a cold, smaller nations might catch the 'flu?

Ohh, so now you are changing the subject and talking about other countries economies, not the growth in the States. Well the US did have a cold, they were shipping off their manufacturing and industries for years. And all that time other countries were not "catching a flu". they were prospering while the US's middle class kept disappearing and their lower class was growing and growing....and their National debt was rising and rising. I can see why you are so upset though, the gravy train has come to a halt and now other countries won't be milking them as much with unfair trade deficits. Sucks to be you I guess.

And since when has it been Trump's job to take care of the economies of other countries? Americans voted him in to take care of them, not other nations. They have their own govt do take care of that. What country has a leader who takes care of the US economy? Can you say... none?

And I see you didn't answer my question about of 3.1% was a good wage increase or not... I'm guessing you actually thought about it for a second and realized it was good instead of just parroting something that a biased source said! :laugh:

Quote from: msmoby on July 06, 2019, 11:29:24 PM

Quote from: d672 on July 06, 2019, 01:46:32 PM

And of course some day there will be a slow down, it has to one day. So what? It happens with every country and economy. It's inevitable. The tariffs have been on for a year now and things are still booming for the States. If Trump's policies are so damaging then why aren't they effecting the States by now? Why aren't they going into a recession?
When is the sky going to fall down Chicken Little? :laugh:

They are, but even when this is spoon-fed to you....not just by me... you dismiss your own link as 'biased' for posting out the signs....!

No they are not, no matter how much you wish it was true. The employment rates alone prove it, let alone the stock market, consumer spending, etc.

Quote from: msmoby on July 06, 2019, 11:29:24 PM

Quote from: d672 on July 06, 2019, 01:46:32 PM

Face it, as much as you wish it were not true, Trump is doing great for the US

'Sure', he is..... if your viewpoint is as myopic, selective as yours appears to be...

Tell that to all those Americans who are collecting paychecks now instead of welfare checks

Quote from: msmoby on July 06, 2019, 11:29:24 PM

Quote from: d672 on July 06, 2019, 01:46:32 PM
meanwhile our leftist govt is managing to piss off almost every major trading partner we have and is running our economy into the ground. Trudeau even had to eat some humble pie last week and ask Trump if he could talk to China for us to help out! lol!
Like I said, I sure wish we had the problems the US has!

You guys now have free trade deals with the EU and do not have the immigration issues that the US has ...given it's land border with Mexico... You have elections, this year..if you wish tof remove Trudeau. ...

We do have an immigration problem. Trudeau tried to sound like a saint and say any refugees the States do not want are welcome here. Well, they came... and kept coming... and kept coming. There are now whole hotels in Ontario and Quebec which the govt rented to house all the refugees waiting for accommodations they can stay until their case is heard, which might be in about a couple years. Our system is overwhelmed here too....

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/toronto/article-immigration-canada-extending-hotel-stay-of-asylum-seekers-in-toronto/

As for voting him out, according to the polls that will probably happen, but the damage is done and will take years to correct. Yay Socialism!!!!

Quote from: msmoby on July 06, 2019, 11:29:24 PM

Quote from: d672 on July 06, 2019, 01:46:32 PM

And for you Americans reading this, take a good look at what is happening up here. This is where you would be at if you had a weak socialist govt who has no business sense running the show.

Nonsense, you think a right of centre govt would have handled the bully boy trade 'negotiation 'tactics any better?

A monkey could have done a better job. When you are in the middle of renegotiating the NAFTA agreements and you smile and shake Trump's hand at the G7 summit, then go directly to a press conference right after that and backstab him.... or when Freeland goes on camera criticizing Trump.... that's is nothing but utter stupidity. Why?? No matter what you think of the guy, you don't go on camera and insult him while you are trying to hash out a trade agreement! Well it backfired in their face, Trump really played hardball after that and we were screwed. So yes, definitely a more right wing leader would have done a better job. Harper brought us a lot of great deals, and in 2008 and on when the US and Europe were in a big recession we were booming here under him....which is also contrary to you claims that when the US gets a cold everyone else gets the flu.

I'll say this right now, Trump is probably a bad thing for us in Canada because of trade. But I would rather see him in there and a strong US economy rather than the Dems with a weak economy. The world is a safer place that way

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on July 07, 2019, 08:47:33 PM

Here is the type of respect Trudeau has gained from other world leaders. This was at the G20 summit. China didn't even acknowledge him, and Brazil really really didn't want to! :chuckle:

Like I said, I'll take Trump any day!

Title: Re: President Tru
Post by: msmoby on July 08, 2019, 01:16:43 AM

BBC News - Inquiry launched into 'inept Trump administration' leaked emails
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48901624 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48901624)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 08, 2019, 06:57:36 AM

Cufflinks, if you actually wrote the vast screeds you copy and paste there's a chance that not only would they be much shorter and thus more likely to be read, but you'd also demonstrate that you understand something and that your understanding leads to an informed opinion.

Anyone who wants to read pages of hogwash can do as you do and subscribe to newsletters that sell you stuff by flattering your ignorance.

On a more interesting topic, I wrote upthread about a more realistic view of employment in the USA. Here's a link to a Bloomberg piece that makes similar points to mine but with pretty graphs and a different selection of data sources. Bottom line, you lot are being sold a story, a story that is not only untrue but that will be retconned in a few months as the real figures are recorded, months after people like Cuffy have wasted money buying shit from scoundrels based upon bad information.

Whoops, nearly forgot: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-07-05/the-myth-of-the-tight-u-s-labor-market?srnd=opinion
Warning: This article contains words of more than 3 syllables, paragraphs with more than one idea, fact based case analysis and case building.

Title: Re: President Tru
Post by: 2tallbill on July 08, 2019, 11:27:23 AM

Quote from: msmoby on July 08, 2019, 01:16:43 AM

BBC News - Inquiry launched into 'inept Trump administration' leaked emails
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48901624 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48901624)

It's well known that the establishment diplomatic corps aren't
fans of the Donald. He expects the other side to live up to their
end of the bargain and doesn't give the opposition everything
they want.

That left the various diplomatic corps used to being given
anything they wanted wringing their hands and writing
memos and sending them back in their diplomatic pouches.
Who cares what some career diplomatic functionary from
the UK says?

I would be more worried that your diplomatic corps can't
keep their secret memos locked up. Surely those who write
their memos can hardly be forthright if they think that their
memos will be posted on the news at some later date.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 08, 2019, 12:46:39 PM

That memo was designed to get out. It represents the opinion of a very capable team. It is also empirically true.

For many years the USA has been getting by with an amateur diplomatic corp manned by rent takers and those rewarded for favours.

Diplomacy is a very useful tool because it gives options other than trying to break bones. It provides a mechanism for escalation and de-escalation that, as we can see, the United States lacks.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on July 08, 2019, 01:30:17 PM

Quote from: d672 on July 07, 2019, 08:47:33 PM

Here is the type of respect Trudeau has gained from other world leaders. This was at the G20 summit. China didn't even acknowledge him, and Brazil really really didn't want to! :chuckle:

Like I said, I'll take Trump any day!

:ROFL:

Agreed. Justine’s such a weak little arsewipe and a poster boy for the globalists. His policies stink and when he’s fielding live questions, he’s found wanting every single time.

He’s gotta be out on his arse at the next elections?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on July 08, 2019, 04:47:04 PM

Quote from: cufflinks on July 05, 2019, 05:41:48 PM

Quote from: dcguyusa on July 05, 2019, 04:35:57 PM
Quote
“These people are all about money. They don’t have a heart. They are garbage.”

Quote
“Don Jr. is an idiot. He’s a jerk,” and instructed us, “Put it down: ‘You are a jerk.’ Put it in capital letters!”

He added: “They are nobody . . . They are disgusting. We are talking about kids who are so stupid, except Ivanka.”

Rubicondi raged on, “They are a piece of scum. Before they say anything about me, I will wash their mouth out with soap! They are disgrace for human being.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ivana-trump-ex-rossano-rubicondi-trump-kids_n_5d1f75e9e4b01b834735ca5f

This guy doesn't mince his words. :chuckle: :reading:

Must be a liberal infected link - my Bitdefender Anti-Malware Agent and Firewall gave this dire warning:

This infected web site has been blocked.

That's funny. My computer has Bitdefender and Malwarebytes Anti-malware on it and it let me access the site. (:)

P.S. Please remember that T-W-A-T embedded within a website name will be censored. :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: d672 on July 08, 2019, 07:33:19 PM

Quote from: rosco on July 08, 2019, 01:30:17 PM

:ROFL:

Agreed. Justine’s such a weak little arsewipe and a poster boy for the globalists. His policies stink and when he’s fielding live questions, he’s found wanting every single time.

He’s gotta be out on his arse at the next elections?

You probably don't see half of it. He's the most incompetent PM I can remember us ever having. Even the media are critical of him here so I am pretty sure he is on his way out. I sure hope so anyways.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on July 08, 2019, 10:03:14 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 08, 2019, 12:46:39 PM

That memo was designed to get out. It represents the opinion of a very capable team. It is also empirically true.

Did the memo written by a very capable team have anything good to say about Trump like how he's managing the economy or was it all bad? Surely they aren't bias and can compliment Trump on something. Maybe UK citizens can elect that very capable team to run the UK? Completely opposite of the way Trump manages America of course.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 08, 2019, 10:32:03 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 08, 2019, 12:46:39 PM

That memo was designed to get out. It represents the opinion of a very capable team. It is also empirically true.

For many years the USA has been getting by with an amateur diplomatic corp manned by rent takers and those rewarded for favours.

Diplomacy is a very useful tool because it gives options other than trying to break bones. It provides a mechanism for escalation and de-escalation that, as we can see, the United States lacks.

The memo was designed to get out?
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

And speaking of amateurs, your dumb “diplomat” won’t be employed much longer.

You’re a regular comic book character Andy.

The extraordinary development seemingly rendered Britain's representative to the U.S. a persona non grata for the first time in more than a century.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-us-will-no-longer-deal-with-british-ambassador-after-leaked-anti-trump-cables

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on July 08, 2019, 10:47:23 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 08, 2019, 10:32:03 PM

The memo was designed to get out?
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

UK has the same problem America has with their liberals. They want to make Trump look bad even if it hurts relations between nations. The leakers aren't doing UK any favors and they certainly aren't going to change the minds of the anti Trump or pro Trump crowds. They did a big disservice to their nation.
Prime Minister May screwed up Brexit and she screwed up in her choice of Ambassadors and the very competent teams that accompanies them it seems.

I can admit Trump is an asshole but I can also admit he does a good job and action speaks louder than words so I'll be voting for him next election.

Quote from: Confederate on July 08, 2019, 10:32:03 PM

And speaking of amateurs, your dumb “diplomat” won’t be employed much longer.

I doubt the ambassador even met Trump yet he has Trump all figured out. The ambassador probably got educated from the anti Trump NY Times and Washington Post about Trump.

Trump refuses to have anybody in his administration work with him now so if UK wants a relationship with us, they have to choose a new guy.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 08, 2019, 11:01:31 PM

Quote from: BillyB on July 08, 2019, 10:47:23 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 08, 2019, 10:32:03 PM
The memo was designed to get out?
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

UK has the same problem America has with their liberals. They want to make Trump look bad even if it hurts relations between nations. The leakers aren't doing UK any favors and they certainly aren't going to change the minds of the anti Trump or pro Trump crowds. They did a big disservice to their nation.
Prime Minister May screwed up Brexit and she screwed up in her choice of Ambassadors and the very competent teams that accompanies them it seems.

I can admit Trump is an asshole but I can also admit he does a good job and action speaks louder than words so I'll be voting for him next election.

Quote from: Confederate on July 08, 2019, 10:32:03 PM
And speaking of amateurs, your dumb “diplomat” won’t be employed much longer.

I doubt the ambassador even met Trump yet he has Trump all figured out. The ambassador probably got educated from the anti Trump NY Times and Washington Post about Trump.

Trump refuses to have anybody in his administration work with him now so if UK wants a relationship with us, they have to choose a new guy.

In regards to the part of your post I bolded, unless Trump starts a war with Iran, that makes two of us.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 09, 2019, 03:20:18 AM

To decide if Trump is doing a good job then one must first define what a good job is.

If isolating the USA
If undermining the standing of the dollar
If undermining the standing of the USA
If increasing the risk of catastrophic military engagement
are all aspects of a good job, then, yes, Trump is doing a good job.

Of course those are all aspects of external policy, but all have significant domestic ramifications.

If one were to argue that he is an agent of Russia and Russian policy aspirations, then, yes, that too might be true - albeit not in the manner that his detractors imagine.

Ultimately, if we survive his term(s) as president, we might look back on his reign in a positive manner - but at the same time, most USAians would have a different opinion.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: rosco on July 09, 2019, 04:04:54 AM

Quote from: d672 on July 08, 2019, 07:33:19 PM

Quote from: rosco on July 08, 2019, 01:30:17 PM

:ROFL:

Agreed. Justine’s such a weak little arsewipe and a poster boy for the globalists. His policies stink and when he’s fielding live questions, he’s found wanting every single time.

He’s gotta be out on his arse at the next elections?

You probably don't see half of it. He's the most incompetent PM I can remember us ever having. Even the media are critical of him here so I am pretty sure he is on his way out. I sure hope so anyways.

Trudeau telling us how he reduces his plastic waste. It's classic him and hilarious to watch......why is he PM?!

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 09, 2019, 11:42:24 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 09, 2019, 03:20:18 AM

To decide if Trump is doing a good job then one must first define what a good job is.

If isolating the USA
If undermining the standing of the dollar
If undermining the standing of the USA
If increasing the risk of catastrophic military engagement
are all aspects of a good job, then, yes, Trump is doing a good job.

Of course those are all aspects of external policy, but all have significant domestic ramifications.

If one were to argue that he is an agent of Russia and Russian policy aspirations, then, yes, that too might be true - albeit not in the manner that his detractors imagine.

Ultimately, if we survive his term(s) as president, we might look back on his reign in a positive manner - but at the same time, most USAians would have a different opinion.

Still butt hurt that your “diplomat” will be going home? :laugh:

Renegotiating bad trade deals is not isolating the USA, nor is the dollar being undermined.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 09, 2019, 12:36:29 PM

Breaking existing agreements of all types (you seem remarkably poorly informed) is bad and leads to mistrust.

That mistrust harms the standing of the USA and that is having an effect on the dollar. There are objective, visible effects and they are happening now.

But, yes, keep on being ill-informed, that's how you are trained to be. That's what is wanted of you.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 09, 2019, 12:43:22 PM

Andy pushing more poppycock propaganda.

I’m keenly aware that Trump has broken the agreement which John Kerry negotiated with Iran. It’s the one agreement I believe Trump should have left alone.

If he did that though our Zionist controlled media would have kept up their attacks on him.

Re-negotiating treaties with NATO, China, Japan and NAFTA?

Too fugging bad. You’re now becoming another Moby.

Enjoy his company! :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 09, 2019, 12:55:23 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 09, 2019, 12:36:29 PM

Breaking existing agreements of all types (you seem remarkably poorly informed) is bad and leads to mistrust.

That mistrust harms the standing of the USA and that is having an effect on the dollar. There are objective, visible effects and they are happening now.

But, yes, keep on being ill-informed, that's how you are trained to be. That's what is wanted of you.

Treaties are negotiated by the president and his team, then sent
to the Senate for ratification. That's how our constitution set it up.

If you don't do that then you don't have a treaty. What you have
is an agreement that is only as good as long at that guy is still
president. Trump isn't bound by some idiot deal that Obama made
unless, he sends it to the Senate and gets it ratified.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT

In the past the USA would often overlook it if the other country
didn't actually live up to their end of the agreement.

Trump said he would do ALL these things if he got elected, now
he is doing them. Luckily only Americans vote in our elections
(along with a few dead people, a few illegals and 108% of voters
in some districts).

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 09, 2019, 01:01:13 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2019, 12:43:22 PM

I’m keenly aware that Trump has broken the agreement which John Kerry negotiated with Iran. It’s the one agreement I believe Trump should have left alone.

The Iranians broke the agreement since almost before it went into
effect. The agreement talked about what would happen if they broke
it and Trump did exactly as the agreement states.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 09, 2019, 01:19:28 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 09, 2019, 01:01:13 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2019, 12:43:22 PM

I’m keenly aware that Trump has broken the agreement which John Kerry negotiated with Iran. It’s the one agreement I believe Trump should have left alone.

The Iranians broke the agreement since almost before it went into
effect. The agreement talked about what would happen if they broke
it and Trump did exactly as the agreement states.

Can you prove that Iran broke the treaty “since almost before it went into effect”?

And NONE of your sources can be Zionist Jew sources. That excludes almost all US sources.

Since Jews have been warmongers in that region from day one, since they have a seething red-hot hatred of Iran and Syria; they get excluded as a source.

You are apparently okay with Israel’s bombing of targets in Syria, a sovereign nation; I’m NOT okay with that.

I’m not okay with the war Israel conducted against Lebanon. Not okay with AIPAC control of the US Congress and Jewish propaganda egging the USA to go to war with Iran.

You’re probably unaware that Menachim Begin once bragged that it was Israel who was responsible for all terrorism throughout the World.

https://me.me/i/the-father-ofterrorism-menachem-begin-the-terrorist-founder-ofisraers-ruling-3814110

You’re probably an apologist for the Israel attack on the USS Liberty. You are likely unaware of the Lavon affair.

Therefore the only sources which are reliable are European partners to that agreement.

This source about Zionist Terrorism is Jewish, so don’t bother with the usual bogus allegation of “anti-semitism”.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion/.premium-zionism-s-terrorist-heritage-1.6217633

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 09, 2019, 01:41:55 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2019, 01:19:28 PM

Can you prove that Iran broke the treaty “since almost before it went into effect”?

Apparently, I can't do it to your satisfaction. I'm not going to
participate in a debate where none of my sources count.

If you want to know my view on something, feel free to ask.
I am mostly ambivalent about countries in that part of the
world and sure as hell don't want to send our sons and
daughters to fight there.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 09, 2019, 01:45:43 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 09, 2019, 01:41:55 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2019, 01:19:28 PM
Can you prove that Iran broke the treaty “since almost before it went into effect”?

Apparently, I can't do it to your satisfaction. I'm not going to
participate in a debate where none of my sources count.

Of course you’re not going to.

It’s called cognitive dissonance.

You’re not willing to admit that close to 100% of US media is under control of a group of people who’s first allegiance is to the nation of Israel. You’re not willing to do the research into how they operate and their real history.

https://me.me/i/the-father-ofterrorism-menachem-begin-the-terrorist-founder-ofisraers-ruling-3814110

Notice on this Wikipedia entrance there’s no description of his famous interview of Menachim Begin. It’s as if it never happened. Do you get it? Nope.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Warren_Howe

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 09, 2019, 01:52:07 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2019, 01:45:43 PM

Of course you’re not going to.

It’s called cognitive dissonance.

No, it's called you don't get to set up the rules for debate.

If I use a reference that you think is biased then you have
to argue that the reference is biased. You can't arbitrarily
say all US news is biased and expect me to accept your
claim.

Udachi!

Bill

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 09, 2019, 02:13:58 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 09, 2019, 01:52:07 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2019, 01:45:43 PM
Of course you’re not going to.

It’s called cognitive dissonance.

No, it's called you don't get to set up the rules for debate.

If I use a reference that you think is biased then you have
to argue that the reference is biased. You can't arbitrarily
say all US news is biased and expect me to accept your
claim.

Udachi!

Bill

Russell Warren Howe was a prominent scholar, yet they don’t even describe his career or accomplishments in Wikipedia, why is that?

And now Wikipedia has altered the entry for Jeffrey Epstein, the Billionaire accused of improper relationships with underage girls. Why?

It appears that the liberal Wikipedia has already altered Epstein’s bio.
1st screenshot of bio was at 8:27 a.m.
2nd screenshot of bio was at 10:30 a.m. omitting Bill Clinton & Spacy yet leaving Trump!

Go ahead and use a biased news source if you want to!

And if the story goes away, the information is scrubbed or the story never gets published, then it never happened! Out of sight, out of mind.

Here, proof of Israel lobbying efforts.

The debate over the influence of pro-Israel groups could be informed by an investigation by Al Jazeera, in which an undercover reporter infiltrated the Israel Project, a Washington-based group, and secretly recorded conversations about political strategy and influence over a six-month period in 2016. That investigation, however, was never aired by the network — suppressed by pressure from the pro-Israel lobby.

https://theintercept.com/2019/02/11/ilhan-omar-israel-lobby-documentary/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 09, 2019, 02:35:34 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 09, 2019, 01:41:55 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2019, 01:19:28 PM
Can you prove that Iran broke the treaty “since almost before it went into effect”?

Apparently, I can't do it to your satisfaction. I'm not going to
participate in a debate where none of my sources count.

If you want to know my view on something, feel free to ask.
I am mostly ambivalent about countries in that part of the
world and sure as hell don't want to send our sons and
daughters to fight there.

I think you may have added to your post.

We certainly agree on the part I bolded.

Trump is under immense pressure from warmongers like Bolton and the Israeli lobby. If you don’t quite agree that’s okay, at least we agree on what you wrote above which I bolded.

I liked McMaster a lot more than Bolton! :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on July 09, 2019, 05:50:34 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2019, 01:19:28 PM

Can you prove that Iran broke the treaty “since almost before it went into effect”?

It's not a treaty so it can't be broken. It's called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. UN resolution tied to this plan says Iran must refrain from missile testing related to delivering nukes.

https://undocs.org/S/2018/1089

Quote from: andrewfi on July 09, 2019, 03:20:18 AM

To decide if Trump is doing a good job then one must first define what a good job is.

If isolating the USA
If undermining the standing of the dollar
If undermining the standing of the USA
If increasing the risk of catastrophic military engagement
are all aspects of a good job, then, yes, Trump is doing a good job.

Trump has gotten NATO members to up their contribution. Just because he hurt our friend's feeling by telling them to step up and live to their commitments doesn't mean he's isolating America. Trump has made NATO 100 billion dollars stronger. I don't think Russia likes that.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/01/27/nato-chief-credits-trump/2695799002/

The dollar is doing fine.

Trump is less likely to get America into a war compared to previous presidents.

If the very capable team that analyzed the Trump administration as dysfunctional is correct, you will see America fall apart. That is not happening. Very capable experts once predicted the stock market would crash if Trump is president. Stock market doing better than ever. Unemployment is at it's lowest levels. Unemployment for minorities at it's lowest levels. It's a good thing we didn't elect a very capable expert who would have done things differently.

Quote from: andrewfi on July 09, 2019, 03:20:18 AM

If one were to argue that he is an agent of Russia and Russian policy aspirations, then, yes, that too might be true - albeit not in the manner that his detractors imagine.

Many think Trump is in bed with Putin. If anybody here actually believes that, please tell me when Trump hands America over to Putin.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 09, 2019, 06:04:23 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 09, 2019, 01:01:13 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2019, 12:43:22 PM

I’m keenly aware that Trump has broken the agreement which John Kerry negotiated with Iran. It’s the one agreement I believe Trump should have left alone.

The Iranians broke the agreement since almost before it went into
effect. The agreement talked about what would happen if they broke
it and Trump did exactly as the agreement states.

I would be interested in what your sources are for your allegation that "the Iranians broke the agreement since almost before it went into effect.

I promise to look at them with an open mind and consider them like a real Diplomat would.

However I'm going to mention to you the same thing I mentioned to BillyB.

Are you aware that Israel has nuclear weapons at Dimona (and possibly elsewhere) yet Israel has not declared them per International Law?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/truth-israels-secret-nuclear-arsenal

Meanwhile, Israeli agents charged with buying fissile material and state-of-the-art technology found their way into some of the most sensitive industrial establishments in the world. This daring and remarkably successful spy ring, known as Lakam, the Hebrew acronym for the innocuous-sounding Science Liaison Bureau, included such colourful figures as Arnon Milchan, a billionaire Hollywood producer behind such hits as Pretty Woman, LA Confidential and 12 Years a Slave, who finally admitted his role last month.

"Do you know what it's like to be a twentysomething-year-old kid [and] his country lets him be James Bond? Wow! The action! That was exciting," he said in an Israeli documentary.

Milchan's life story is colourful, and unlikely enough to be the subject of one of the blockbusters he bankrolls. In the documentary, Robert de Niro recalls discussing Milchan's role in the illicit purchase of nuclear-warhead triggers. "At some point I was asking something about that, being friends, but not in an accusatory way. I just wanted to know," De Niro says. "And he said: yeah I did that. Israel's my country."

(notice, for an Israeli with dual US/Israeli citizenship, their loyalty is ALWAYS to Israel FIRST)

How the hell can Israel or by extension the USA lecture Iran on getting nukes, when it's actually Israel which repeatedly violates International Law?

How can the USA lecture Russia about the annexation of Crimea, when in fact Israel stole the Golan Heights from Syria all those years ago, and the U.N. denounced their actions?

How can the USA say: the U.N. has denounced Russia for stealing Crimea, when we refused to denounce Israel?

See that's the problem, and it's a very big problem. The USA has lost all moral authority, because we play the Hillary Clinton game:

It's okay that she committed multiple felonies with her email server, because she's special and she deserves special treatment.

Just like when Leona Helmsley said "taxes are for little people" we are saying: following International Law is for little people, and Israel is special.

To that I say bullsh*t and so does most of the rest of the World. Israel is not special, they can follow International Law like everyone else, and they can stop trying to start a war with Iran!

I don't give a damn if Iran gets a Nuke, in fact I hope they do. Because if they do it would balance Israel out. Israel is a constant warmonger in the region and they have no business lecturing Iran or Syria or (insert name here).

And the US leadership is extremely foolish to keep on letting Israel get away with multiple violations of International Law and pretending they are our "only ally" in the region. They're a horrible ally and they continually make us look bad each and every time they commit another act of genocide against the Palestinian people. Or invade Lebanon. Or invade Syria. Etc. How many times has Israel been condemned the the U.N.?

So you'll probably say you don't care. You didn't care when I mentioned Israel repeatedly used white phosphorus against civilians, a war crime.

Try putting yourself in the shoes of the Iranians or the Syrians next time you speak out of both sides of your mouth.

For that matter Crimea is a part of Russia now, and I don't give a damn if the U.N. has condemned it, because people with true moral authority don't pick and choose.

Well actually I still think it should be part of Ukraine, but it sure as heck isn't worth starting WWIII over, and neither is Iran. Israel needs to be defunded by the USA and they need to fight their own wars.

The USA should leave the middle east, yesterday. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 09, 2019, 06:12:47 PM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 09, 2019, 12:36:29 PM

Breaking existing agreements of all types (you seem remarkably poorly informed) is bad and leads to mistrust.

That mistrust harms the standing of the USA and that is having an effect on the dollar. There are objective, visible effects and they are happening now.

But, yes, keep on being ill-informed, that's how you are trained to be. That's what is wanted of you.

I hate to agree with Andrew, yet when Trump broke the Iran Deal, it seems Andy is correct on that one point. It is bad and it does lead to mistrust.

On that one specific deal I will agree with him. It makes our foreign policy look to be schizophrenic, or shall we say unreliable. And that unfortunately has been the case for a long time. Why should a country make a deal with one administration, when they know the next one can come along and tear it up? It's definitely something which should be considered.

As I just wrote in response to 2TallBill, I don't care if Iran gets Nukes. Israel has them and is in no position to lecture others about them.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/07/iran-world-powers-won-nuclear-deal-190708205233850.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 09, 2019, 06:16:28 PM

Quote from: BillyB on July 09, 2019, 05:50:34 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2019, 01:19:28 PM
Can you prove that Iran broke the treaty “since almost before it went into effect”?

It's not a treaty so it can't be broken. It's called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. UN resolution tied to this plan says Iran must refrain from missile testing related to delivering nukes.

https://undocs.org/S/2018/1089

Well if the USA makes agreements, and then the next administration breaks them, why should anyone trust us?

Counterpoint article:

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/iran-attack-war-190626171305032.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: BillyB on July 09, 2019, 08:05:16 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2019, 06:16:28 PM

Quote from: BillyB on July 09, 2019, 05:50:34 PM
Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2019, 01:19:28 PM
Can you prove that Iran broke the treaty “since almost before it went into effect”?

It's not a treaty so it can't be broken. It's called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. UN resolution tied to this plan says Iran must refrain from missile testing related to delivering nukes.

https://undocs.org/S/2018/1089

Well if the USA makes agreements, and then the next administration breaks them, why should anyone trust us?

Counterpoint article:

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/iran-attack-war-190626171305032.html

The journalist who wrote the article doesn't know it all. He says Trump lied nearly 11,000 times while in office trusting the anti Trump source Washington Post for his facts. The WP and the journalist doesn't have a monopoly on the truth.

Any country dealing with America knows that without 2/3rds of the Senate ratifying an agreement made by a president knows it can be changed by the next president. Iran knew Obama's word may not be honored by the next president but they made a deal which freed up a lot of money for them. Even with Trump cancelling Obama's agreement, Iran is better today than if there was never an agreement. Obama's deal was bad since he knew he could not get 2/3rds support from the Senate but he wanted to make a deal anyway

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 09, 2019, 08:49:49 PM

Quote from: BillyB on July 09, 2019, 08:05:16 PM

Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2019, 06:16:28 PM
Quote from: BillyB on July 09, 2019, 05:50:34 PM
Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2019, 01:19:28 PM
Can you prove that Iran broke the treaty “since almost before it went into effect”?

It's not a treaty so it can't be broken. It's called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. UN resolution tied to this plan says Iran must refrain from missile testing related to delivering nukes.

https://undocs.org/S/2018/1089

Well if the USA makes agreements, and then the next administration breaks them, why should anyone trust us?

Counterpoint article:

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/iran-attack-war-190626171305032.html

The journalist who wrote the article doesn't know it all. He says Trump lied nearly 11,000 times while in office trusting the anti Trump source Washington Post for his facts. The WP and the journalist doesn't have a monopoly on the truth.

Any country dealing with America knows that without 2/3rds of the Senate ratifying an agreement made by a president knows it can be changed by the next president. Iran knew Obama's word may not be honored by the next president but they made a deal which freed up a lot of money for them. Even with Trump cancelling Obama's agreement, Iran is better today than if there was never an agreement. Obama's deal was bad since he knew he could not get 2/3rds support from the Senate but he wanted to make a deal anyway

I didn’t say I agreed with that article 100% and I don’t.

I labeled it “counterpoint”. But like I say I don’t care if Iran gets a Nuke.

If Israel can have one then by all means Iran should also. Maybe Israel would stop committing terrorism against all their neighbors if Iran had a Nuke.

Maybe Israel will stop terrorist bombing runs into Syria if they get shot down.

USA should defund Israel and stop selling them weapons. Leave the Middle East entirely and don’t help anyone at all over there.

If Iran gets a Nuke and USA stays out of ME then Israel might be forced to behave like a grownup nation. They might be forced to make peace with the Palestinians and treat their neighbors with respect.

Imagine that! :)

Or they can all kill each other with impunity like it’s been for thousands of years. Their choice.

And if you think that US involvement can make it better or stop these sand barbarians from killing each other, history says you’re wrong.

No US involvement! No more Trillions pissed away in the desert, no more Americans dying. No more Americans coming home wounded. No more of twenty suicides a day. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 10, 2019, 08:41:14 AM

Iran has made it clear that they have no intention of building nuclear weapons. To do so runs counter to the principals of the country.

Of course, in practical terms, they don't need them. For example they'd be counterproductive against Israel given the manner in which Palestinian people are intermingled with Isrelaelites. Ballistic missiles are more useful here. The same goes for pretty much any target within range of their missiles. Secondly, if they were to use them then they'd be inviting a terrible retribution using the only weapons that are likely to be effective in a ground war with Iran - nuclear weapons.

As a side note, all the ill-informed jibber jabber about how Iran is creating more and more pure fissile materials. At the moment they are working at, as I recall, about 3%.Weapons grade materials need to be at least 95%. More than that, the scale is logarithmic meaning that from here to there is much further than the bare numbers suggest.

Iran is nowhere near creating weapons grade fissionables and they'd not be here were it not for US sanctions meaning that Iran can not sell their output to the partners laid out on the JCPOA. Of course, that's not what the proles in the USA and Europe are being told.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 10, 2019, 10:11:15 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 09, 2019, 02:35:34 PM

I think you may have added to your post.

We certainly agree on the part I bolded.

Trump is under immense pressure from warmongers like Bolton and the Israeli lobby. If you don’t quite agree that’s okay, at least we agree on what you wrote above which I bolded.

I liked McMaster a lot more than Bolton! :coffeeread:

Yes, I was still editing my post.

The only advantage to Bolton is that Trump can come in and
seem like the calming influence. Bolton is of the perpetual
foreign wars school of thought and we would be in war all
around the world if he called the shots.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 10, 2019, 03:19:06 PM

As expected, buh bye! :laugh:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2019/07/uk-ambassador-resigns-trump-row-190710105850543.html

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 11, 2019, 11:01:01 PM

Since the British boast of their freedoms and fair play and perfected sense of civilisation, it is only right and fair to call for the UK to:

Free Tommy Robinson - Free Tommy Robinson - Free Tommy Robinson

https://www.infowars.com/white-house-petition-demands-political-asylum-for-tommy-robinson/

WHITE HOUSE PETITION DEMANDS POLITICAL ASYLUM FOR TOMMY ROBINSON
UK’s corrupt judicial system endangering Robinson’s life

A White House petition demanding President Trump to grant Tommy Robinson political asylum has been opened in an effort to rescue the journalist from the U.K.

The government of the United Kingdom is protecting convicted Muslim grooming gangs while brazenly endangering Robinson’s life, says petition creator K.E.

“When Mr. Robinson exposed these gangs of Muslim rapists of underage English girls, the court put him in a prison with a high Muslim population, where an attempt on his life was made,” reads the petition. “When he was arrested and confined a second time, the court again placed him in a prison with a high Muslim population, and when public outrage ensued, placed him in solitary confinement for periods far exceeding legal and ethical standards.”

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 11, 2019, 11:42:32 PM

What he the criminal stupidity of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon got to do with 'Trampu'

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: dcguyusa on July 12, 2019, 03:18:26 PM

As the song goes, Another one bites the dust. :whist11:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/12/labor-secretary-alex-acosta-resigned-amid-jeffrey-epstein-fallout/1681245001/

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 14, 2019, 07:26:33 PM

Trump goes on another twitter storm! :laugh:

In the tweet, Trump referred to them as "'Progressive' Democrat Congresswomen" whose home countries have been collapsing from corruption and said they should return home to aid those who are suffering.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-targets-four-freshman-house-members-pelosi-in-sunady-tweet-storm.amp

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Markje on July 15, 2019, 11:12:00 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 14, 2019, 07:26:33 PM

Trump goes on another twitter storm! :laugh:

In the tweet, Trump referred to them as "'Progressive' Democrat Congresswomen" whose home countries have been collapsing from corruption and said they should return home to aid those who are suffering.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-targets-four-freshman-house-members-pelosi-in-sunady-tweet-storm.amp

Yeah he severely blew that one, 3 of the 4 are natural born citizen and are already 'home'.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 15, 2019, 01:03:08 PM

Quote from: Markje on July 15, 2019, 11:12:00 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 14, 2019, 07:26:33 PM
Trump goes on another twitter storm! :laugh:

In the tweet, Trump referred to them as "'Progressive' Democrat Congresswomen" whose home countries have been collapsing from corruption and said they should return home to aid those who are suffering.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-targets-four-freshman-house-members-pelosi-in-sunady-tweet-storm.amp

Yeah he severely blew that one, 3 of the 4 are natural born citizen and are already 'home'.

In fairness, Tlaib was born in Detroit, which (a) is a shit hole, and (b) might as well be a foreign country.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 15, 2019, 01:06:32 PM

Quote from: B.B. on July 15, 2019, 01:03:08 PM

Quote from: Markje on July 15, 2019, 11:12:00 AM
Quote from: Confederate on July 14, 2019, 07:26:33 PM
Trump goes on another twitter storm! :laugh:

In the tweet, Trump referred to them as "'Progressive' Democrat Congresswomen" whose home countries have been collapsing from corruption and said they should return home to aid those who are suffering.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-targets-four-freshman-house-members-pelosi-in-sunady-tweet-storm.amp

Yeah he severely blew that one, 3 of the 4 are natural born citizen and are already 'home'.

In fairness, Tlaib was born in Detroit, which (a) is a shit hole, and (b) might as well be a foreign country.

B/B

President Trump didn't blow anything, he just has the balls to say what most people won't.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 15, 2019, 01:30:25 PM

Quote from: Markje on July 15, 2019, 11:12:00 AM

Quote from: Confederate on July 14, 2019, 07:26:33 PM
Trump goes on another twitter storm! :laugh:

In the tweet, Trump referred to them as "'Progressive' Democrat Congresswomen" whose home countries have been collapsing from corruption and said they should return home to aid those who are suffering.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-targets-four-freshman-house-members-pelosi-in-sunady-tweet-storm.amp

Yeah he severely blew that one, 3 of the 4 are natural born citizen and are already 'home'.

He’s still the only choice for 2020 but he should be more “presidential” for all not just for military, police and supporters.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 16, 2019, 11:04:59 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 10, 2019, 08:41:14 AM

Iran has made it clear that they have no intention of building nuclear weapons. To do so runs counter to the principals of the country.

Iran has also made it clear on many occasions that they don't ship
weapons to Hamas and others. Killing innocents runs counter to
the principles of their religion and country.

They are on the side of Angels.

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 16, 2019, 11:18:14 AM

Quote from: Tom Cat on July 15, 2019, 01:06:32 PM

President Trump didn't blow anything, he just has the balls to say what most people won't.

He played the Democrats like a concert violinist. The Democrats own
internal polling show that AOC and Omar aren't liked by rank and file
voters and especially by swing voters.

Nancy Pelosi and others have been trying to distance themselves from
them lest swing voters think that the Crazies are running the party.
They won a lot of districts in the 2018 elections by putting up
moderate candidates to run against Republicans.

Now Trump made a few tweets and tricked 100% of the Democratic leadership
into hating on Trump and singing the virtues of their craziest looniest and least
liked members. When they really need to distance themselves from them.

They fell right into his Trap.

To The Surprise Of Nobody, Dems Internal Polling Shows Swing Voters Don't Like Progressives
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2019/07/14/to-the-surprise-of-nobody-dems-internal-polling-shows-swing-voters-dont-like-progressives-n2550028

Dislike for Ilhan Omar and AOC could tip House to Republicans in 2020: Internal Democratic poll
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/dislike-for-ilhan-omar-and-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-could-tip-house-to-republicans-in-2020-internal-democratic-poll

Title: President Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on July 16, 2019, 11:21:05 AM

Quote from: B.B. on July 15, 2019, 01:03:08 PM

In fairness, Tlaib was born in Detroit, which (a) is a shit hole, and (b) might as well be a foreign country.

B/B

Hahaha!

Funnybone tickled

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 16, 2019, 11:35:22 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 16, 2019, 11:04:59 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 10, 2019, 08:41:14 AM
Iran has made it clear that they have no intention of building nuclear weapons. To do so runs counter to the principals of the country.

Iran has also made it clear on many occasions that they don't ship
weapons to Hamas and others. Killing innocents runs counter to
the principles of their religion and country.

They are on the side of Angels.

Not only does using nuclear weapons run counter to the principles of the government and country but it is at the least counter productive in terms of the country's needs.

Iran has very effective ballistic missiles. They can reach everywhere they might be interested in and destroy the targets. They do not need nuclear weapons to attain their strategic goals.

Additionally, were Iran to use nuclear weapons then it is almost certain that they would be attacked with nukes. That does no good to Iran.

Strategically, by limiting themselves to conventional weapons they actually restrict the ability of would be attackers to use nukes because to use them as an escalation step would cause huge negative reaction from pretty much everywhere in the world. It would also let the nuclear genie out of the bottle. There'd be less disincentive to use them and a greater incentive to obtain them.

So, the chances that Iran is building a nuclear weapon is tiny.
This is not about nuclear weapons, it is about independence and ballistic missiles.

However, the US is unable to be honest about the real motivations for their undeclared war on Iran, not least because it will make public liars of most of the senior leadership of the USA.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 16, 2019, 11:58:36 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 16, 2019, 11:35:22 AM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 16, 2019, 11:04:59 AM
Quote from: andrewfi on July 10, 2019, 08:41:14 AM
Iran has made it clear that they have no intention of building nuclear weapons. To do so runs counter to the principals of the country.

Iran has also made it clear on many occasions that they don't ship
weapons to Hamas and others. Killing innocents runs counter to
the principles of their religion and country.

They are on the side of Angels.

Not only does using nuclear weapons run counter to the principles of the government and country but it is at the least counter productive in terms of the country's needs.

Iran has very effective ballistic missiles. They can reach everywhere they might be interested in and destroy the targets. They do not need nuclear weapons to attain their strategic goals.

Additionally, were Iran to use nuclear weapons then it is almost certain that they would be attacked with nukes. That does no good to Iran.

Strategically, by limiting themselves to conventional weapons they actually restrict the ability of would be attackers to use nukes because to use them as an escalation step would cause huge negative reaction from pretty much everywhere in the world. It would also let the nuclear genie out of the bottle. There'd be less disincentive to use them and a greater incentive to obtain them.

So, the chances that Iran is building a nuclear weapon is tiny.
This is not about nuclear weapons, it is about independence and ballistic missiles.

However, the US is unable to be honest about the real motivations for their undeclared war on Iran, not least because it will make public liars of most of the senior leadership of the USA.

Because a war against Iran isn’t for national defense as claimed, it’s simply a war against the enemies of the number one source of terrorism in the World, namely Israel.

Those in the audience who are pro-Israel have no clue how fast Israel will turn against the USA if they get their fantasy of a Zionist Super Power in the ME (greater Israel project). Zionists are the number one supporters of Globalism aka the new Communism.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 16, 2019, 12:01:31 PM

Quote from: 2tallbill on July 16, 2019, 11:04:59 AM

Quote from: andrewfi on July 10, 2019, 08:41:14 AM
Iran has made it clear that they have no intention of building nuclear weapons. To do so runs counter to the principals of the country.

Iran has also made it clear on many occasions that they don't ship
weapons to Hamas and others. Killing innocents runs counter to
the principles of their religion and country.

They are on the side of Angels.

The elephant in the room always is the silence concerning Israel's nuclear arsenal. All the pressure and focus gets put on Iran, but nothing about Israel and it over zealous willingness to use lethal force. It's crushing blows against Lebanon, it's devastating attacks inside Gaza, it's lethal force unleashed in the Occupied West Bank areas and it's "do nothing" policy against Settler terrorist attacks. Yet, here is Israel, again "crying WOLF!"

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/its-very-good-recalling-benjamin-netanyahus-words-day-911-attacks

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Tom Cat on July 16, 2019, 05:31:52 PM

https://capitalhill.org/2019/07/10/breaking-bill-clinton-caught-with-underage-girls-on-private-plane/

President Trump could get some well deserved revenge as Bill Clinton most likely will be found guilty if Jeffrey Epstein decides to strike a plea deal.
Hillary too may have have her crimes finally brought to court. Obama too could be in trouble. It's very possible that the Democrats might finally be exposed for the scum that they are.

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: andrewfi on July 17, 2019, 07:00:43 AM

The Epstein thing is going to be hard to paper over now.

There's going to e a big fall-out over it.

Given that pedophilia and, more accurately in most cases - certainly this one, hebephilia are such universal taboos there will not be much hiding space. There are no acceptable excuses or rationalisations available to this found to have been dipping into under-age honeypots.

Given what we are seeing, not just in the USA but in the UK, I have, for some time wondered whether these activities are used as both a method of control and initiation into certain areas of society and at certain levels. Similar to tales one hears of gangs using murder as an initiation rite - new members must commit gross criminal acts to prove loyalty and commitment. Having sex with minors is a useful form of initiation because it is repugnant to society and thus taints anyone found to be involved. The act is illegal and sad to say is a very popular fantasy for many men and women meaning that for many people the wish-fulfillment is one that is much easier for would-be initiates to carry out. The act also feeds into power satisfaction for the perpetrators.

If I am right, then the questions that arise are these:
1) are the various high-level pedo networks connected?
2) who is behind the networks?
3) how widespread are these networks?

In considering this, I make a distinction between the lower-level activities such as we saw in the north of England in recent years. I am thinking here about those involving politicians, lawmakers, military and others who are powerful, wealthy and well-connected.

For those about to claim that such activities are not a common fantasy, please take a look at your favourite porn site and see just how many teen sex videos there are, how many intergenerational sex videos there are. Sex involving very young-looking men and women is pretty much the most popular category. It is what we want to see and what we fantasise about. That makes it hard for me to believe that, given a consequence-free opportunity, many men and women would refuse the chance to make fantasy into reality.

What do you guys think?

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Contrarian on July 17, 2019, 09:45:17 AM

House Democrats want to censure Trump.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/house/453272-house-democrat-pushes-for-censuring-trump-in-closed-door-meeting%3famp

Meanwhile Green wants to impeach.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1030791

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Wiz on July 18, 2019, 05:54:40 PM

HONEST CHRISTIAN NEWS FROM USA
We have to admire them for their Honesty and impartiality

:bow:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: msmoby on July 19, 2019, 01:42:15 AM

'Trunews ' and Wiz..

"Iran is over 90% Sunni"

When you follow one of his links - please bear in mind how 'educated' you'll become.. :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: B.B. on July 19, 2019, 04:24:14 AM

Quote from: msmoby on July 19, 2019, 01:42:15 AM

'Trunews ' and Wiz..

"Iran is over 90% Sunni"

When you follow one of his links - please bear in mind how 'educated' you'll become.. :coffeeread:

I'm convinced that if he was First Nations, his name would be "Old Man Shouts at Clouds."

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 19, 2019, 01:44:05 PM

(https://assets.infowars.com/2019/07/258272_image.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: cufflinks on July 19, 2019, 01:45:37 PM

(https://assets.infowars.com/2019/07/258138_image.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump
Post by: Manny on August 18, 2019, 03:03:15 PM

At 700+pages we had to split the topic for our database health ( a 700+ page topic is slowing the site down).

The continuation is here: http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,28325.0.html

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