fiercenessof women as soldiers has nothing to do with photo above.
I'm afraidQuotefiercenessof women as soldiers has nothing to do with photo above.
Tender women of Balet, who usually are on special diet show themselves in the photo as strong and devoted to their art, even in case of War.
When traveling around Moscow and seeing the many memorials, parks and speaking with people I got the sense that they view WW2 as being right HERE and it was last week.
I'm afraidQuotefiercenessof women as soldiers has nothing to do with photo above.
Tender women of Balet, who usually are on special diet show themselves in the photo as strong and devoted to their art, even in case of War.
I meant Soviet women's qualities of strength and courage under difficult conditions. I have been gone all day exploring East of Tbilisi.
I wonder what Russian people think of this from UK perspective, for us the Second World War started in 1939 when Britain stood alone against the might of the Nazi War machine and took a hell of a bloody nose at first.
Could be argued that the Nazi Germany's first defeat was the Battle of Britain, 1940, when the RAF beat back the Luftwaffe, but every Russian person I spoke to about this doesn't seem aware.
To many Americans WW2 is thought of as a war that was long ago and far away. When traveling around Moscow and seeing the many memorials, parks and speaking with people I got the sense that they view WW2 as being right HERE and it was last week.
Because Putin and other Russian elites use war remembrance as a way to detract from the poor economy and the corruption and greed of the ruling class. :coffeeread:
Because Putin and other Russian elites use war remembrance as a way to detract from the poor economy and the corruption and greed of the ruling class. :coffeeread:
No doubt that politicians try to spin things to their favor but the average Ivan thinks more in terms of family lost and the destruction caused in the FSU.
Because Putin and other Russian elites use war remembrance as a way to detract from the poor economy and the corruption and greed of the ruling class. :coffeeread:
No doubt that politicians try to spin things to their favor but the average Ivan thinks more in terms of family lost and the destruction caused in the FSU.
Because Putin and other Russian elites use war remembrance as a way to detract from the poor economy and the corruption and greed of the ruling class. :coffeeread:
No doubt that politicians try to spin things to their favor but the average Ivan thinks more in terms of family lost and the destruction caused in the FSU.
Because Putin and other Russian elites use war remembrance as a way to detract from the poor economy and the corruption and greed of the ruling class. :coffeeread:
No doubt that politicians try to spin things to their favor but the average Ivan thinks more in terms of family lost and the destruction caused in the FSU.
I respect the average Ivan and what they sacrificed very much. Russia took a turn in the wrong direction. Had Medvedev or another reformer been President I believe they would have made strides to improve their economy and manufacturing base, so that the average Ivan and his progeny would have a better future. All the previous gains, for the most part, have been lost. Russia's economy, for the most part still solely relies on oil and natural gas export.
I wonder what Russian people think of this from UK perspective, for us the Second World War started in 1939 when Britain stood alone against the might of the Nazi War machine and took a hell of a bloody nose at first.
Could be argued that the Nazi Germany's first defeat was the Battle of Britain, 1940, when the RAF beat back the Luftwaffe, but every Russian person I spoke to about this doesn't seem aware.
I was asked in school in Chel, and I chose to discuss Douglas Bader, dunno why actually, just it seemed to them the war was 1942-1945...
I have a friend in Yalta, Irina, who posted a photo yesterday:
(http://gic1.mycdn.me/image?t=35&bid=834386806585&id=834386806585&plc=WEB&tkn=*ls7decVH9kaBfFibR-jgUA12xxM)
Leningrad Ballet School in evacuation.
Fortitude of russian (in those time soviet women) is incredible.
Because Putin and other Russian elites use war remembrance as a way to detract from the poor economy and the corruption and greed of the ruling class. :coffeeread:
No doubt that politicians try to spin things to their favor but the average Ivan thinks more in terms of family lost and the destruction caused in the FSU.
I respect the average Ivan and what they sacrificed very much. Russia took a turn in the wrong direction. Had Medvedev or another reformer been President I believe they would have made strides to improve their economy and manufacturing base, so that the average Ivan and his progeny would have a better future. All the previous gains, for the most part, have been lost. Russia's economy, for the most part still solely relies on oil and natural gas export.
You might want to take a look at the gains made in agriculture in recent years (and especially since sanctions). Or arms exports. Or the space tech that the US buys. Or the international brands like Scania that manufacture in Russia. But again, none of those things fit in with your vehement anti-Russian sentiment either. :prophead:
Because Putin and other Russian elites use war remembrance as a way to detract from the poor economy and the corruption and greed of the ruling class. :coffeeread:
No doubt that politicians try to spin things to their favor but the average Ivan thinks more in terms of family lost and the destruction caused in the FSU.
Yes but that doesn't fit in with Ants foaming at the mouth Russophobia.
In some respects unfortunately RUA is divided between those who view Putin as the best thing since apple pie and those who find him the devil's agent on earth.
In some respects unfortunately RUA is divided between those who view Putin as the best thing since apple pie and those who find him the devil's agent on earth.
Putin is the proverbial little boy who cried wolf. Always blaming the USA and the EU for his own shortcomings as a leader. Continuing to attempt to blame the lower living standards and failing Russian federal budget on some sort of Western conspiracy.
In some respects unfortunately RUA is divided between those who view Putin as the best thing since apple pie and those who find him the devil's agent on earth.
Putin is the proverbial little boy who cried wolf. Always blaming the USA and the EU for his own shortcomings as a leader. Continuing to attempt to blame the lower living standards and failing Russian federal budget on some sort of Western conspiracy.
Utter bollox Ant, you sure know nothing about your country's economics.
Look at the facts, there are far more people in the US enjoying a very low, much lower than Russian living standards.
Russia's federal budget is not failing, falling yes, but Russia has little to no external debt, unlike the US who has 19+ trillions debt.
And for sure, much of the current sanctions are in place by the EU due only to US pressures/threats.
Its not Russia who is the antagonist, its you :censored: ers..
The antagonist is Putin and Russia who violated International law by invading and seizing Crimea and then went on to make the situation worse by invading and seizing land in Donetsk and Lugansk.Nobody invaded or seized Crimea.
In some respects unfortunately RUA is divided between those who view Putin as the best thing since apple pie and those who find him the devil's agent on earth.
Putin is the proverbial little boy who cried wolf. Always blaming the USA and the EU for his own shortcomings as a leader. Continuing to attempt to blame the lower living standards and failing Russian federal budget on some sort of Western conspiracy.
Utter bollox Ant, you sure know nothing about your country's economics.
Look at the facts, there are far more people in the US enjoying a very low, much lower than Russian living standards.
Russia's federal budget is not failing, falling yes, but Russia has little to no external debt, unlike the US who has 19+ trillions debt.
And for sure, much of the current sanctions are in place by the EU due only to US pressures/threats.
Its not Russia who is the antagonist, its you :censored: ers..
The antagonist is Putin and Russia who violated International law by invading and seizing Crimea and then went on to make the situation worse by invading and seizing land in Donetsk and Lugansk.
Putin is a very greedy little man and no doubt he will continue to start trouble with the west by starting more wars and attempting to seize more land which does not belong to him.
If WWIII happens it will be because of Russian aggression and attempts to steal more land from others. Once the USA and NATO decimate Russia they will be liable for war crimes and war damage against the people of Ukraine.
In some respects unfortunately RUA is divided between those who view Putin as the best thing since apple pie and those who find him the devil's agent on earth.
Putin is the proverbial little boy who cried wolf. Always blaming the USA and the EU for his own shortcomings as a leader. Continuing to attempt to blame the lower living standards and failing Russian federal budget on some sort of Western conspiracy.
The antagonist is Putin and Russia who violated International law by invading and seizing Crimea and then went on to make the situation worse by invading and seizing land in Donetsk and Lugansk.
Putin is a very greedy little man and no doubt he will continue to start trouble with the west by starting more wars and attempting to seize more land which does not belong to him.
If WWIII happens it will be because of Russian aggression and attempts to steal more land from others. Once the USA and NATO decimate Russia they will be liable for war crimes and war damage against the people of Ukraine.
That would take something that you yanks and the majority of NATO countries do not have... BALLS.. :ROFL:
Anteros, you've highjacked Czenny's thread and made it into a contentious issue.
Anteros, you've highjacked Czenny's thread and made it into a contentious issue.
I agree, but some have risen to the occasion.
Let's move back to the initial topic.
I think you actually probably agree with me that Putin and company use the Great Patriotic War aka WWII as a way to deflect away from bad economy and greed of his inner circle of Oligarchs.
The notion democracy includes free expressions of one's views, doesn't it? So.
My opinion is as follows.
Anteros has writtenQuoteI think you actually probably agree with me that Putin and company use the Great Patriotic War aka WWII as a way to deflect away from bad economy and greed of his inner circle of Oligarchs.
I do not agree with that.
In the FSU 9 May was ALWAYS a great holiday, much has been devoted to celebrate it: concerts, movies, and so on. In Russia and Ukraine it was and is the same. You may call it the tradition to immortalize memories of GRW heroes and those who dead in the war. It was a big, very big tragedy for the country, it was a lesson also, it was times when soviet people presented their strength and unity, it was a kind of examination of humanity, it was an example of existential sense of life, it was examples of sacrifices.
If for example the economy is excellent the day of 9 of May will be celebrated more intensively so to say in the country.
Putin is just a president(just!) . We have here millions of people who waits this Day, and it IS IMPORTANT for them.
Just come here and speak with ordinary people who speak of GPW with eyes full of tears and I am sure you will understand.
But being intelligent lady I understand your way of thinking and I understand why your thought are of that kind. Sometimes we need to penetrate in the subject we analyse ...we must feel the mood of analysed event to understand this or that in this complicated life. It's not simple...ever...
With all my respect to all members of the forum. :)
One of the most known and popular poem of GPW times, by a soviet writer Constantine Simonov.
Translation into English by Yuriy Zubovski.
Wait for me, and I’ll return.
But really truly wait,
Wait, when you are concerned
By yellow rains of late,
Wait, when the snows blow,
Wait, when it’s hot,
Wait, when others say to go,
With yesterday forgot.
Wait, when from far away
Letters don’t arrive,
Wait, when everyone might say
No hope survives.
Wait for me, and I’ll be return,
Do not wish them well
Those who have in their minds burned,
That it’s time to say farewell.
Let the mother and son believe
That I’ve from life retired,
Let friends no longer grieve,
Sit down by the fire,
Drink a bitter wine
In memory of me …
Wait. At the same time
Don’t drink free.
Wait for me, and I’ll return,
Death is who I’ll spite.
Who did not wait for me, in turn
He’ll say I’m lucky, quite.
They who did not wait can’t fathom,
How among the flames
By waiting for me, madam
Helped death be overcame.
How I survived, will consecrate
Only you and I, –
Simply: you knew how to wait,
And refused to say goodbye.
The notion democracy includes free expressions of one's views, doesn't it? So.
My opinion is as follows.
Anteros has writtenQuoteI think you actually probably agree with me that Putin and company use the Great Patriotic War aka WWII as a way to deflect away from bad economy and greed of his inner circle of Oligarchs.
I do not agree with that.
In the FSU 9 May was ALWAYS a great holiday, much has been devoted to celebrate it: concerts, movies, and so on. In Russia and Ukraine it was and is the same. You may call it the tradition to immortalize memories of GRW heroes and those who dead in the war. It was a big, very big tragedy for the country, it was a lesson also, it was times when soviet people presented their strength and unity, it was a kind of examination of humanity, it was an example of existential sense of life, it was examples of sacrifices.
If for example the economy is excellent the day of 9 of May will be celebrated more intensively so to say in the country.
Putin is just a president(just!) . We have here millions of people who waits this Day, and it IS IMPORTANT for them.
Just come here and speak with ordinary people who speak of GPW with eyes full of tears and I am sure you will understand.
But being intelligent lady I understand your way of thinking and I understand why your thought are of that kind. Sometimes we need to penetrate in the subject we analyse ...we must feel the mood of analysed event to understand this or that in this complicated life. It's not simple...ever...
With all my respect to all members of the forum. :)
What I wrote was directed at Av, not at you. I am not surprised at your response.
Also please understand that my criticism is of the Putin regime, not of the ordinary people who lost family members. That is much different and on the actual day (May 9th) I will write something which is respectful and not critical. Hope you understand the delineation of my thoughts.
For most today in Ukraine and Russia, is a day of remembrance but also celebration. To those who lost relatives, may you remember and hold dear what they fought for.
As many will say Victory has a terrible price.
Thank you Annushka for the Music and the link..... looks somebody is paying attention to my request.
Waiting to see the Presidential inauguration today...watching live RT.And for you here another couple of Russian music ....
Slavianka ...
and this very nice one:
"Salute of Moscow" (Semeon Tchernetsky)
Enjoy today and tomorrow parade........
tiphat
Thank you Annushka for the Music and the link..... looks somebody is paying attention to my request.
Waiting to see the Presidential inauguration today...watching live RT.And for you here another couple of Russian music ....
Slavianka ...
and this very nice one:
"Salute of Moscow" (Semeon Tchernetsky)
Enjoy today and tomorrow parade........
tiphat
Thanks for sharing. :thumbsup: In Russia everyone knows and loves songs of the war years. Please, you too enjoy, medley of military songs in my video. tiphat
And, of course, the legendary military song "Katyusha", beloved by everyone! :thumbsup: